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| 18:15.53 | mah454 | Hello |
| 18:15.58 | mah454 | How can make Release.gpg for my own repository ? |
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| 18:16.34 | babilen | !tell mah454 -about own repo |
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| 18:19.30 | babilen | mah454: In particular the overview of http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository might be of interest (Note the "GPG signing: Yes/No") -- Generally speaking: You probably want reprepro |
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| 18:28.39 | kristian-aalborg | cheers |
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| 18:29.17 | kristian-aalborg | I have Squeeze on my media center, how do I update VLC? Current version is 1.1.3, which seems old... |
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| 18:30.27 | jelly-home | ,v vlc-nox |
| 18:30.29 | judd | Package: vlc-nox on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; wheezy: 2.0.2-2; sid: 2.0.3-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-0.6; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.1-dmo1 |
| 18:30.58 | jelly-home | kristian-aalborg: what fails to work with 1.1.3? |
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| 18:32.09 | kristian-aalborg | jelly-home, nothing, really |
| 18:32.35 | kristian-aalborg | that is, I won't know if performance would be better obviously |
| 18:33.07 | jelly-home | I would not worry about it then |
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| 18:35.22 | shak3zula | afternoon all |
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| 18:36.31 | dvs | evening! :-P |
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| 18:36.35 | shred805 | good day |
| 18:37.06 | rawburt | how can I put a bootable installation of Debian on a SDHC card? |
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| 18:37.31 | rawburt | using the Standard Installer would be preferable |
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| 18:38.48 | webad_13 | How do I set password from sleep? on sid, openbox, pm-utils |
| 18:39.07 | chrisirc | Hello. I'm using my laptop outdoors and it's difficult to see the mouse pointer. Any good solution? |
| 18:39.18 | nsadmin | webad_13, it's a rule... you have to be awake to set your passwd |
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| 18:39.37 | Sm0ke0ut | lol |
| 18:39.40 | rawburt | ha |
| 18:39.41 | Sm0ke0ut | that's not what he meant :P |
| 18:39.42 | webad_13 | nsadmin: sorry :) |
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| 18:39.46 | webad_13 | hahah |
| 18:39.48 | rawburt | Sm0ke0ut: duh |
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| 18:40.18 | nsadmin | webad_13, so you want to have it ask your passwd when it comes out of sleep? |
| 18:40.24 | webad_13 | nsadmin: sorry for such a construction. I need to be asked a password when I wake comp from sleep |
| 18:40.30 | webad_13 | correct |
| 18:40.37 | jelly-home | rawburt: first figure out whether your hardware can be booted from SD at all. Then you _probably_ just use and install on it as you would on any normal disk |
| 18:40.54 | nsadmin | hmm... mine does that now |
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| 18:41.31 | webad_13 | nsadmin: mine used to do it, but I changed it. And today my flatmate found it interesting to use my comp....... |
| 18:42.08 | nsadmin | aha... do you remember what you changed? (edited a file? pushed a button?) |
| 18:42.18 | webad_13 | so I want to change it back, and potenitally make it give electro shocks when you enter wrong password... lol |
| 18:42.51 | nsadmin | does yours go to sleep when you close the lid? |
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| 18:43.05 | webad_13 | nsadmin: don't really. I know I don't get asked anymore - was hoping for a quick fix. Might need to go throug my config files. Let me check |
| 18:43.26 | Guest85322 | webad_13: do you use gnome? |
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| 18:43.36 | nsadmin | webad_13, it might be quick if we know what you run :) |
| 18:43.38 | Guest85322 | o.O I have sasl why am I guest.. |
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| 18:43.57 | webad_13 | it does, so lid initiates the suspend. Guest85322, openbox |
| 18:44.07 | nsadmin | you are the guest of the sasl king |
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| 18:44.33 | webad_13 | nsadmin: well, openbox, pm-utils... that is where it should be |
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| 18:44.50 | webad_13 | the config for asking for password. That would be my best guess |
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| 18:44.59 | nvz | webad_13: hmm well I'm aware of a gconf setting for this, were you using gnome or a DM previously? |
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| 18:45.11 | nsadmin | webad_13, so you think you might have edited a config file? |
| 18:45.31 | nvz | because that may be what changed and caused it not to ask for the password |
| 18:45.32 | webad_13 | nsadmin: yep, I must have. Pm-utils does not have this setting does it? |
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| 18:45.55 | nsadmin | I've never run that before |
| 18:46.13 | nsadmin | but maybe I should look at it, learn something |
| 18:46.30 | webad_13 | nvz: I did have gnome, but it is disabled now. I switched completely to openbox. Would be surprised if gconf still plays any role. I start my X via startx |
| 18:46.32 | nvz | webad_13: xscreensaver would be one of the simplest ways without using gnome-power-manager to have this functionality |
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| 18:47.00 | nvz | webad_13: the not using gnome is what changed the behavior, if you still have it installed you could likely set it up to run openbox and also start the gnome components needed for power management |
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| 18:47.54 | impulze | i'm wondering how to setup one interface with 2 ips on a different network, any clues? |
| 18:48.00 | nvz | webad_13: I would think simply telling xscreensaver to lock screen when its active will automatically do what you want, but if not you can put an xscreensaver-command --lock kinda deal in a pm/suspend script somewhere |
| 18:48.01 | webad_13 | nvz: guess what ps -ef|grep gnome gives :) |
| 18:48.14 | webad_13 | I still have gonme-settings-daemon |
| 18:48.17 | webad_13 | thanx nvz |
| 18:48.28 | nvz | webad_13: fire up gconf-editor then and go in and check the settings |
| 18:48.46 | nvz | webad_13: would be under /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock |
| 18:49.19 | nsadmin | , file bin/pm-utils |
| 18:49.23 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 18:49.41 | nsadmin | oh pam not pm |
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| 18:52.24 | webad_13 | nvz: searching for power gives nothing in gconf-editor |
| 18:52.40 | hagbard_celine | hey guys, could anyone maybe give me a hind how I can see how the hard discs of my root server are configured? the provider information says 4 hard disc, 1TB each one, with raid 10 for me this means I should see one disc with 2 TB. But there is one hard disc available with 2.8TByte and one with 100 GByte any knowledges how this could be? |
| 18:53.26 | hagbard_celine | it's a hardware raid |
| 18:53.32 | nvz | webad_13: yeah well I told you exactly where to look, I didn't say anything about searching |
| 18:53.33 | jelly-home | hagbard_celine: software or ... right :-) |
| 18:53.41 | nsadmin | hagbard_celine, sounds like it was partitioned |
| 18:53.46 | dondelelcaro | hagbard_celine: figure out what type of hardware raid it is, and then use the cli tools for that raid to see what they've done |
| 18:53.57 | jelly-home | hagbard_celine: figure out which c |
| 18:54.01 | dondelelcaro | hagbard_celine: just from looking though, it kind of looks like they've done raid5 instead of raid 10 |
| 18:54.02 | jelly-home | NINJAD AGAIN |
| 18:54.18 | dondelelcaro | (assuming those are really 1T drives) |
| 18:54.18 | hagbard_celine | Yes seems so for me to |
| 18:54.37 | hagbard_celine | the information I have I have from hwinfo --disk |
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| 18:55.06 | webad_13 | nvz: well that was my way of saying it is not there for me. So most likely gnome does not control my power settings |
| 18:55.14 | hagbard_celine | so what can I use for find out which raid is configured? |
| 18:55.15 | nsadmin | hagbard_celine, you might look at the output of fdisk -l |
| 18:55.31 | hagbard_celine | nsadmin: yes it's the same |
| 18:55.47 | nsadmin | hagbard_celine, does it show two partitions? |
| 18:56.04 | nsadmin | or two drives each having one partition? |
| 18:56.05 | hagbard_celine | second I will put it on no paste |
| 18:56.14 | nsadmin | cool |
| 18:56.17 | nvz | webad_13: well either create the keys or try the other method I suggested. Thats really all I got on the subject. |
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| 18:57.29 | nvz | webad_13: /apps/gnome-power-manager/lock just contains binary keys (checkboxes) for blank_screen, gnome_keyring_hibernate, gnome_keyring_suspend, hibernate, suspend, and use_screensaver_settings |
| 18:57.44 | nsadmin | webad_13, while you're looking for the setting, you might consider powering down or doing lock screen from the menu |
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| 18:57.57 | hagbard_celine | http://paste.debian.net/181231/ and http://paste.debian.net/181232/ |
| 18:58.00 | nvz | webad_13: check install status of gnome-power-manager |
| 18:58.02 | nsadmin | err when you're away from your computer |
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| 18:58.56 | nvz | webad_13: only more I could offer you is some additional explaination of how to use xscreensaver and could probably figure out where the suspend scripts are |
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| 18:59.35 | nsadmin | so it seems your kernel is seeing two separate drives, one having a partition table and partitioned, the other not |
| 18:59.51 | hagbard_celine | yes right |
| 18:59.51 | nsadmin | you should ask your provider if you should try to partition it |
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| 19:00.43 | nsadmin | you could partition it and then put one or more lvm physical volumes on it |
| 19:01.17 | hagbard_celine | yes I think also. but can I get any information of physical attached hard drives? because it should be possible to see 4 hard disc attached right? |
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| 19:01.32 | webad_13 | nsadmin: openbox, don't have that option. nvz I will try couple of options here to see what I could do, really appreciate the help. |
| 19:01.35 | nsadmin | since it's > 2 tb, you'd have to put a gpt table |
| 19:01.45 | nvz | hagbard_celine: dmesg typically shows that information but I dont know much about vps |
| 19:02.00 | hagbard_celine | nvz: me too :-) |
| 19:02.28 | nsadmin | the drives are in a separate box with the drives? |
| 19:02.32 | nsadmin | err brb |
| 19:03.21 | hagbard_celine | you mean on an other machine? |
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| 19:03.28 | hagbard_celine | I don't think so |
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| 19:04.09 | jelly-home | hagbard_celine: I don't know whether you need MegaCLI for that or will mpt_status show _anything_ about physical disks |
| 19:04.33 | hagbard_celine | I will check this |
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| 19:05.03 | jelly-home | but Model: "LSI MR9260-4i"; Driver Modules: "megaraid_sas" strongly suggests a LSI Megaraid controller |
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| 19:05.44 | hagbard_celine | jelly-home: mpt_status is not known by the system. but I have found this in the dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/181237/ |
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| 19:06.21 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 19:06.21 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 19:06.59 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i have a fairly basic install of debian, and i've tried to install ntp. this requires libopts25, but I am getting this: http://pastebin.ca/2175929 |
| 19:07.03 | jelly-home | ,i mpt-status |
| 19:07.03 | fishsponge_ | anyone know what's going wrong? |
| 19:07.05 | judd | Package mpt-status (admin, extra) in squeeze/i386: get RAID status out of mpt (and other) HW RAID controllers. Version: 1.2.0-7; Size: 26.3k; Installed: 124k |
| 19:07.13 | jelly-home | hagbard_celine: ^^ |
| 19:07.23 | hagbard_celine | thanks jelly-home |
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| 19:07.50 | fishsponge_ | libopts25 seems to fail to install giving kernel messages... it's a minimal install though, so am I missing some compiler or installation tool somewhere? |
| 19:08.41 | hagbard_celine | jelly-home: ioctl: No such device |
| 19:09.12 | fishsponge_ | does anyone know what is going on? |
| 19:10.45 | jelly-home | hagbard_celine: did it make noise about you possibly having to modprobe "mptctl"? |
| 19:10.50 | jhutchins_wk | fishsponge_: Which release of Debian are you working with? |
| 19:11.06 | hagbard_celine | yes it head. And I have call modprobe |
| 19:11.17 | hagbard_celine | uhh *had |
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| 19:11.25 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins, very latest - Linux mongoose 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:11.36 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins, did a netinst on Saturday. |
| 19:11.47 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, ^^ |
| 19:11.57 | jelly-home | hagbard_celine: it's possible your hardware is newer than the tool supports |
| 19:12.13 | hagbard_celine | Yes it's possible |
| 19:12.29 | hagbard_celine | so maybe my only chance is to ask the provider |
| 19:12.39 | jelly-home | MegaCLI |
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| 19:12.55 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, basically, i'm using squeeze (6.0.5) amd64 |
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| 19:13.40 | jelly-home | hagbard_celine: it's a horrible, horrible cli tool by LSI. Look at their site to see if it supports your controller model. |
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| 19:13.58 | hagbard_celine | ah ok |
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| 19:14.36 | FriendlySeal | o/ |
| 19:14.52 | hagbard_celine | I will research for it jelly-home |
| 19:15.05 | hagbard_celine | thank you for your help also thanks to nsadmin |
| 19:15.07 | hagbard_celine | ;-) |
| 19:15.09 | jelly-home | http://pastebin.com/9zkSvQvK -- if anyone has seen worse cli, I don't want to know about it |
| 19:15.27 | hagbard_celine | oh let me have a look |
| 19:15.45 | themill | jelly-home: vboxmanage comes close |
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| 19:15.57 | jelly-home | oh VBoxManage is GREAT ;-) |
| 19:16.13 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, you still there? |
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| 19:19.14 | chipotle | how do i install something via aptitude with certain flags (i'm trying to install ffmpeg with --enable-libvorbis and --enable libvpx) ? |
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| 19:20.09 | nvz | chipotle: you'd have to get the source and compile it to do that |
| 19:20.21 | chipotle | oh, okay |
| 19:20.28 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, don't worry - a reboot solved it :-( |
| 19:20.35 | nvz | chipotle: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:20.39 | jelly-home | chipotle: /msg dpkg package rebuild |
| 19:20.44 | fishsponge_ | jhutchins_wk, makes debian feel like windows when a reboot solves your issue! lol |
| 19:20.54 | nvz | chipotle: those are instructions for a simple sid backport.. same process only ignore the parts about the sid deb-src line.. |
| 19:21.17 | nvz | chipotle: shows you how to get source from apt/aptitude and how to build a debian package from a debianized source tree |
| 19:21.59 | jhutchins_wk | fishsponge: What is mongoose doing in the answer you gave me? (Sorry, real life...) |
| 19:22.08 | nvz | jelly-home: EVEN BETTER ;) |
| 19:22.14 | nvz | hmm capslock.. |
| 19:22.20 | jelly-home | chomwitt: there's also a third party repo that builds and packages ffmpeg basically --with-everything, but it also makes some mess out of further distro upgrades. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 19:22.26 | jelly-home | fuckwhat |
| 19:22.29 | themill | chipotle: you might want to double check that the package doesn't already have that enabled |
| 19:22.33 | jelly-home | chipotle: there's also a third party repo that builds and packages ffmpeg basically --with-everything, but it also makes some mess out of further distro upgrades. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 19:22.42 | jelly-home | ,v ffmpeg |
| 19:22.43 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.12-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.10.2-0.3; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: |
| 19:22.44 | judd | 6:0.8.3-4; sid: 6:0.8.3-5; sid-multimedia: 7:0.10.3-dmo1 |
| 19:23.03 | chipotle | nvz what does this mean? where do i find it? <package recompile> |
| 19:23.04 | themill | (libav in debian already includes these) |
| 19:23.06 | jelly-home | fears to ,depends ffmpeg --release squeeze-multimedia |
| 19:23.12 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I haven't had any problems with upgrades and dmm, but they're not as current as bacports right now. |
| 19:23.16 | chipotle | themill i checked ffmpeg --version and it doesn't look like it |
| 19:23.24 | themill | chipotle: which release of debian? |
| 19:23.29 | chipotle | squeeze |
| 19:23.35 | chipotle | i'm using backports, so i have ffmpeg .8 |
| 19:24.00 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: I mean at release upgrade time |
| 19:24.14 | themill | chipotle: ffmpeg -version wouldn't report that anyway, these are libraries that use libraries |
| 19:24.25 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Yeah, been using it since etch. |
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| 19:25.05 | chipotle | themill how would i see what libs ffmpeg uses then? |
| 19:25.10 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I do not argue that the fact that I didn't see any problems means there were none, just none I saw. |
| 19:25.12 | chipotle | 'ffmpeg' doersn't tell me either |
| 19:25.26 | themill | ,depends libavcodec53 --release squeeze-backports |
| 19:25.27 | judd | Package libavcodec53 in squeeze-backports/i386 -- depends: libavutil51 (>= 6:0.8.3-1~bpo60+1), libc6 (>= 2.7), libdirac-encoder0, libgsm1 (>= 1.0.13), libmp3lame0, libopenjpeg2, libschroedinger-1.0-0 (>= 1.0.0), libspeex1 (>= 1.2~beta3-1), libtheora0 (>= 1.0), libva1, libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.1.2), libvpx0 (>= 0.9.0), libx264-120, libxvidcore4 (>= 1.2.2), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0). |
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| 19:25.43 | dondelelcaro | chipotle: ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg; for example. |
| 19:25.47 | themill | chipotle: you'll see there that ffmpeg uses libavcodec and libavcodec uses all of them |
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| 19:26.01 | chrisirc | chrisirc: there's a big-cursor package from Joey Hess |
| 19:26.02 | jhutchins_wk | chipotle: ffmpeg -formats might show you what you want. |
| 19:26.15 | chrisirc | Thanks, chrisirc |
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| 19:26.51 | jelly-home | being linked against and ffmpeg tool having features might not necessarily be the same thing? |
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| 19:28.09 | themill | jelly-home: it's more likely to be right than following ancient mantra that you always need to rebuild multimedia packages in debian or get them from dodgy 3rd party repos for them to work |
| 19:28.43 | nvz | chipotle: in a factoid <this is the name of another factoid> and you just type whats in the <> without the brackets and dpkg will respond |
| 19:28.47 | chipotle | i have libvorbis.so.0 when i did ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg - is that the same thing? |
| 19:28.56 | obiat | can you roll back "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"? in yum: "One of the least-known secrets about rpm is that it can rollback (undo) package changes." is there anything like that in debian? |
| 19:29.16 | jhutchins_wk | !downgrade |
| 19:29.16 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 19:29.41 | jelly-home | obiat: debian's more frank about it being basically unsupported |
| 19:30.18 | nvz | chipotle: never hurts to familiarize with those bots their information is supplied by supporters and reviewed and modified by many, and they're always able to help even when people aren't around |
| 19:30.24 | jelly-home | obiat: in practice, the only reasonable way is restoring the OS from a previous backup |
| 19:30.50 | themill | chipotle: you'd do better to try actually using it and seeing if it works for you rather than chasing shadows about whether it does what you want |
| 19:31.11 | obiat | alright thanks, I need to figure out now what it's best for me |
| 19:31.27 | themill | chipotle: (but yes, that means ffmpeg is built with vorbis support) |
| 19:31.38 | chipotle | themill i did try and i get errors using it because of it not having the right codec support |
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| 19:31.52 | jelly-home | obiat: depends a bit on the extent of the damage already done |
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| 19:32.52 | abrotman | chipotle: is this still your selfcompiled h264? |
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| 19:33.24 | chipotle | abrotman i self compiled at one point, i'm not sure what it's pointing to now |
| 19:33.29 | chipotle | i've been working on this for two days now |
| 19:33.47 | abrotman | ldd might help |
| 19:33.47 | chipotle | i wish i could revert everything i did with ffmpeg and strart over |
| 19:34.03 | nvz | chipotle: maybe you should regroup and go back to talking about your original issue cause you're probably going about it wrong |
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| 19:34.25 | chipotle | abrotman there's a bit there, i did find libvorbis.so.0 => /usr/lib/libvorbis.so.0 (0x00007f73bc307000) does that mean it is configured? |
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| 19:34.50 | chipotle | nvz i'm trying to configure ffmpeg to work with html5 video, which means webm support (vp8 video and theora audio) but with no luck thus far |
| 19:34.52 | chipotle | that's my issue |
| 19:35.09 | nvz | chipotle: generally speaking when I've had luck just using things from debian-multimedia repos |
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| 19:35.22 | nvz | when something in debian main didnt work |
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| 19:35.36 | chipotle | i tried that, still didn't work for me |
| 19:35.38 | obiat | jelly-home: nothing yet, there is 1117 (865 MB) recommended updates available on laptop linux mint debian edition |
| 19:35.46 | themill | (dmm breaks more than it fixes, particularly with ffmpeg) |
| 19:35.58 | chipotle | i either get an error saying the codec is not installed with ffmpeg on my webapp or something about the wrong audio stream |
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| 19:36.49 | jelly-home | obiat: alright, but note you'll have to ask the Mint people about LMDE, this channel cannot support it |
| 19:36.55 | jelly-home | !lmde |
| 19:36.55 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 19:37.45 | jelly-home | chipotle: can you get the exact command line the app is using? |
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| 19:38.57 | chipotle | jelly-home i haven't tried that, i'm doing it through a gui |
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| 19:39.28 | jelly-home | you need to go deeper |
| 19:42.43 | chipotle | got it! thanks :) |
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| 19:59.12 | Twinkletoes|H | I've got 2 identicl (or should be) setups - I'm moving from ubuntu 10.04 to squeeze. I have /etc/vim/vimrc.local on both machines, with the same permissions, and /etc/vim/vimrc is set to source it if readable. However, on squeeze, it doesn't read the file. If I put the lines into /etc/vim/vimrc it works, so I know there's nothing wrong with the commands |
| 20:00.30 | jelly-home | Twinkletoes|H: and installed set of vim* packages match? |
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| 20:01.06 | Twinkletoes|H | jelly-home: Apart from minor versions, yes |
| 20:01.26 | Twinkletoes|H | jelly-home: Same packages, all 2.7.2.xxx |
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| 20:02.03 | jelly-home | I'll assume 2:7.2.* |
| 20:02.10 | simonlnu | yeh |
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| 20:02.52 | kingsley | Which web browser do you like better, iceweasel or chromium? |
| 20:02.55 | Twinkletoes|H | jelly-home: Yup. squeeze is on .445 and the ubuntu box is on 330 |
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| 20:04.05 | jelly-home | kingsley: hahah, I use Firefox, Chrome or Opera, none of those whitewashed imitations |
| 20:04.59 | kingsley | jelly-home: If you happen to have the time, and are so inclined, please elaborate. |
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| 20:06.13 | jelly-home | both Mozilla and Google provide timely software updates and in case of Chrome, a fuller features with some scary tracking features. |
| 20:06.20 | jelly-home | featureset* |
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| 20:07.10 | jelly-home | also they're the real thing so there's no need to mess with User-Agent headers. Thankfully almost no sites need that any more. |
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| 20:08.38 | kingsley | jelly-home: Does chrome have some scary tracking features? |
| 20:08.42 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 20:08.59 | jelly-home | debian does not state to provide any sort of security updates for recent versions for iceweasel or chromium, just the ones in stable |
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| 20:09.42 | jelly-home | neither mozilla.debian.net nor squeeze-backports seem to be covered by the security promise |
| 20:09.54 | kingsley | jelly-home: Can you elaborate on what the scary tracking features are? |
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| 20:10.56 | themill | mozilla.d.n normally has new versions quite promptly when a CVE is published |
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| 20:11.22 | jelly-home | kingsley: google tracks address bar searches and clicking on search results, tries to make you register the browser to keep the options sync-ed across installations, and possibly some other stuff I haven't noticed |
| 20:11.40 | jelly-home | themill: sure, but where's the guarantee |
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| 20:11.58 | jelly-home | and at that point Mozilla already got their binaries out |
| 20:12.03 | themill | in the same place as google's guarantee and mozilla's |
| 20:12.42 | jelly-home | on the upstream vendor site? |
| 20:12.46 | jelly-home | don't think so |
| 20:12.53 | kingsley | jelly-home: Thanks for your thoughts. |
| 20:13.32 | jelly-home | kingsley: I believe chromium doesn't do those things I've notice chrome do |
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| 20:13.52 | jelly-home | but its icon is all blue and it does not come with FLASH |
| 20:13.53 | kingsley | jelly-home: That's interesting. |
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| 20:16.37 | hell_razer | what is best login manager for xfce (support mount/reboot etc) |
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| 20:18.52 | jelly-home | mount? Before login? |
| 20:18.55 | jelly-home | mount what |
| 20:18.59 | jelly-home | I use kdm and it works, but I also have kde installed |
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| 20:21.16 | Ono-Sendai | hi |
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| 20:21.36 | sney | hi |
| 20:21.45 | dkr | !it |
| 20:21.45 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:21.47 | simonlnu | phi |
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| 20:22.27 | nsadmin | anyone besides me notice he said hi in ENGLISH? |
| 20:22.33 | dvs | non |
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| 20:22.39 | simonlnu | yes |
| 20:22.48 | jelly-home | nsadmin: ma va?! |
| 20:23.04 | nsadmin | Ono-Sendai, hi. welcome to debian support |
| 20:23.10 | simonlnu | or should i say 8h8 |
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| 20:23.23 | Ono-Sendai | lol :) |
| 20:23.26 | Ono-Sendai | hi nsadmin |
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| 20:24.31 | nsadmin | situation's a bit weird with those who come here from .it... 99% say ciao then !list |
| 20:24.33 | mah454 | I need make Release.gpg file but receive this message : "gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available" |
| 20:24.48 | mah454 | How can fix this ? |
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| 20:25.37 | nsadmin | mah454, if you wish to sign it, you would make yourself a gpg key and probably upload the pub key to a key server |
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| 20:26.18 | Ono-Sendai | can i use linux-patch-grsecurity2 version 2.1.14+2.6.32.13 (on my debian squeeze) with linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 version 2.6.32-45 ? The grsecurity wikibook http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity/Obtaining_grsecurity says: "The versions of the grsecurity patch and the kernel must match exactly" |
| 20:26.18 | mah454 | nsadmin: I use this command for make : gpg -v --output Release.gpg -ba Release |
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| 20:26.25 | PrinceAMD- | hi guys i'm building packages, how can i tell dpkg-buildpackage to use 'make -j4' instead of just 'make' |
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| 20:27.12 | nsadmin | PrinceAMD-, most of the time debian/rules is a makefile |
| 20:27.12 | f0x90 | Hey I reinstalled debian from a single cd-r |
| 20:27.29 | f0x90 | It has like nothing on it including the graphical pacakge manager is missing |
| 20:27.39 | f0x90 | How can I add more of the default programs |
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| 20:27.44 | nsadmin | probably no x too? |
| 20:28.02 | f0x90 | I got x |
| 20:28.02 | nsadmin | there;s not such a thing as "default programs", just install what you want |
| 20:28.11 | nsadmin | do you want gnome? kde? something else? |
| 20:28.13 | PrinceAMD- | nsadmin, thanks |
| 20:28.23 | f0x90 | i guess i'll have to pick some stuff I can think of |
| 20:28.30 | f0x90 | How can I get the gnome package manager |
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| 20:28.46 | nsadmin | PrinceAMD-, you -could- put the -j4 on the top line... |
| 20:29.35 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: ignore the linux-patch-grsecurity2 package, get it from grsecurity.net |
| 20:29.37 | nsadmin | I'm not sure what else you can do... but, -j4 is about processes and how many, right? |
| 20:30.05 | PrinceAMD- | lol nsadmin i cant believe i missed that :/ |
| 20:30.15 | PrinceAMD- | yeah |
| 20:30.44 | Ono-Sendai | jelly-home, why I don't have to use that package? |
| 20:30.47 | nsadmin | debian does strange seeming things :) |
| 20:30.59 | syslq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:31.24 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: the safest thing is probably using upstream, vanilla kernel tarballs and matching patches from grsecurity.net; the package in debian is usually horribly outdated |
| 20:31.31 | jhutchins_wk | f0x90: Do you have an internet connection now? |
| 20:31.33 | PrinceAMD- | make: the `-j' option requires a positive integral argument |
| 20:31.44 | PrinceAMD- | #!/usr/bin/make -j3 -f |
| 20:31.50 | nsadmin | Ono-Sendai, maybe the patch from grsecurity.net is somehow better? more uptodate? works? :) |
| 20:32.21 | f0x90 | why does 'firefox' launch iceweasel |
| 20:32.36 | f0x90 | yes jhutchins_wk, im wired in because i need to install the bcm4313 drivers |
| 20:32.39 | nsadmin | debian cannot distribute firefox by that name |
| 20:32.46 | sney | !why iceweasel |
| 20:32.47 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 20:32.47 | f0x90 | i have a tarball but no 'make' |
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| 20:33.10 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: eg. grsecurity.net has grsecurity-2.9.1-2.6.32.59-201207281944.patch 07/28/12 19:45 at present time |
| 20:33.12 | sney | f0x90: if what you want is a newer version of firefox/iceweasel on squeeze, see http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 20:33.23 | f0x90 | is iceaweasel up to date on security fixes |
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| 20:33.55 | sney | the mnd one probably is |
| 20:34.01 | sney | mdn* |
| 20:34.05 | nsadmin | f0x90, maybe youy don't have the compilers too... build-essential has make and the compilers, binutils and enough libs to link against libc |
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| 20:34.24 | nsadmin | maybe curses too |
| 20:34.42 | sney | nsadmin: I think he was talking about the mozilla.org firefox tarball... |
| 20:35.19 | jhutchins_wk | f0x90: synaptics is the package manager that you're probably looking for. |
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| 20:35.30 | Ono-Sendai | jelly-home, nsadmin , thanks...but I need a simple way to install and maintain a grsecurity patched kernel. Not for me but for a custom distro for generic newbie user that want it works out of the box. Do you think it's too outdated and too less secure than the upstream version? |
| 20:35.37 | sney | synaptic you mean, synaptics is a touchpad |
| 20:35.59 | jhutchins_wk | f0x90: There are also metapackages that install all the desktop goodies and suchlike. |
| 20:36.00 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: yes. The patch in the distro is most definitely too outdated. |
| 20:36.03 | sney | what does a generic newbie user need with cutting edge grsec |
| 20:36.16 | f0x90 | jhutchins_wk: like what please tell |
| 20:36.23 | jhutchins_wk | sney: Yeah, yay for minor package name differences. |
| 20:36.39 | f0x90 | i also apt cant find anything synaptic related |
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| 20:36.43 | jelly-home | not just outdated, TOO outdated! <g> |
| 20:37.01 | Ono-Sendai | sney, security :) |
| 20:37.07 | jhutchins_wk | !tell f0x90 about install gnome |
| 20:37.13 | f0x90 | also guys, what are the commands for vlc / mplayer and all those nonfree mp3 codecs |
| 20:37.46 | f0x90 | i wanna install grsec kernel |
| 20:37.54 | sney | !why not dmm |
| 20:37.55 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of squeeze this was mostly not true and for wheezy this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; other packages on dmm are of sufficiently poor quality and do not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning>. |
| 20:38.20 | f0x90 | so what do you recommend sney |
| 20:38.24 | sney | mp3s and nearly all videos work out of the box thanks to ffmpeg et al; you do not need any codecs unless you find something really weird |
| 20:38.34 | sney | "aptitude install vlc" and you're done |
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| 20:38.41 | jhutchins_wk | That's a bit harsh. Not meeting the dfsg is the whole reason dmm exists. |
| 20:38.58 | jhutchins_wk | I really haven't seen any compatibility or quality issues myself. |
| 20:39.02 | sney | I didn't write it but the first 2.5 sentences were what I was going for |
| 20:39.04 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: the patent policy in debian has changed since introduction of dmm |
| 20:39.25 | Harzilein | hasn't seen quality issues either, and appreciates having support for the "weird stuff" |
| 20:40.18 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: I guess that makes Debian enable more of the previously disabled stuff these days |
| 20:40.28 | Ono-Sendai | jelly-home, mmm it's true...but i don't see a solution...for that custom distro debian based..I must use the packaged version :( . Anyway will it works with that kernel version? |
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| 20:41.04 | Harzilein | but i agree, these days i don't default to adding dmm, just after the first time some weird stuff fails to work |
| 20:41.14 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: packaging a kernel is not hard. /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 20:42.04 | jhutchins_wk | I hate to see people denigrate and disrespect someone who did a lot of work to support Debian users at his own expense. He has done a real service to the community and people shouldn't be taking pot shots at him. |
| 20:42.18 | sney | Ono-Sendai: well, this might interest you: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=601113 that newer version mentioned in the 'done' message is available on wheezy, and could be applied to the 3.2 kernel in squeeze-backports as well |
| 20:42.31 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: in any case, you WILL need to make further modifications on the system if you enable all the useful features in grsecurity patch. java VMs and grub command line need some chpax-ing |
| 20:43.24 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: have you ever built and used a system with a grsecurity enabled kernel? It's almost, but not quite, plug-and-play |
| 20:43.31 | sney | jhutchins_wk: well, it's still indispensable if you need something like mencoder. just a bit overkill for john q. public who wants to listen to mp3s |
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| 20:43.55 | f0x90 | how come apt cant find vlc or mplayer? |
| 20:44.07 | jelly-home | sney: does transcoding and restreaming work with distro vlc these days? |
| 20:44.27 | jhutchins_wk | f0x90: 1) Maybe you don't have the right sources in your sources.list 2) Maybe they're there but you haven't done aptitude update. |
| 20:44.42 | Ono-Sendai | jelly-home I know about make-kpkg ..but I don't want,on this custom distro, any user's work except click on install updates :) . But I'll work on this ;) |
| 20:44.46 | jhutchins_wk | f0x90: bwt aptitude has a console menu mode, just run aptitude without an argument. |
| 20:44.51 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_wk: the primary quality issues are really things that can't be worked around too much; because dmm uses different library versions, you'll occasionally have to deal with different versions and epochs screwing things up |
| 20:44.56 | Ono-Sendai | sney, thanks is really useful :) |
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| 20:45.12 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_wk: so unless you know specifically about them, and need something from dmm, it's probably good to not use it |
| 20:45.18 | sney | f0x90: you probably need a main mirror entry in your sources.list. if you installed without a network connection then it would not appear automatically |
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| 20:45.22 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: I'm not telling you to let the user build their own kernel... you can do that for them. |
| 20:45.24 | sney | !tell f0x90 about squeeze sources.list |
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| 20:45.59 | jhutchins_wk | dondelelcaro: Still, Christien made Debian usable as a daily desktop for a lot of people who would have had to use something else if not for him. We should at least be diplomatic about it. |
| 20:46.10 | Ono-Sendai | jelly-home, yes but I can't upgrade the package..I haven't (and I don't want to have :) ) a repository :) |
| 20:46.32 | jelly-home | Ono-Sendai: then forget about gresecurity |
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| 20:47.02 | jhutchins_wk | Ono-Sendai: You don't really need a repository to maintain one package, just distribute it as you would the rest of your maintenance. |
| 20:47.04 | Ono-Sendai | jelly-home, I'll work on some workaround ;) |
| 20:47.27 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: that's most easily done as an extra repo |
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| 20:47.47 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Or rsync in a bash loop. |
| 20:48.05 | jelly-home | yeah. Adhoc solutions are the MOST reliable! |
| 20:48.16 | PrinceAMD- | hi guys, my build is going to the wrong folder how do i change it, it's going to '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxyx' but i want it to be '/usr/lib/xyz' |
| 20:48.16 | zecrazytux | dpkg-scanpackages and voila! |
| 20:48.30 | jelly-home | zecrazytux: pgp sigs :-( |
| 20:48.37 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: why not dmm =~ s/other packages on dmm are of sufficiently poor quality and do/packages may/ |
| 20:48.37 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 20:49.49 | jelly-home | PrinceAMD-: which debian release are you building for? |
| 20:50.23 | jelly-home | PrinceAMD-: if it's wheezy, the former is the right place |
| 20:50.33 | PrinceAMD- | wheezy |
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| 20:50.49 | jelly-home | that means everything works as it should |
| 20:50.54 | sney | yep, /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu is the right place. welcome to multiarch :) |
| 20:51.03 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: The U.S. Government uses ad-hoc solutions. Oh, wait, you said reliable... |
| 20:51.05 | PrinceAMD- | ok so i'm in the right place, but my lib is broken. ok i'll look into the lib now |
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| 20:52.06 | djzn | some questions: 1) is "sid" a permanent nickname for unstable and the same for wheezy? 2) when is next release of debian will be released, more or less? |
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| 20:52.37 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: Sid is always the staging release for new packages. |
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| 20:52.55 | djzn | jhutchins_wk: so 'sid' name never changes |
| 20:53.01 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: When a release is finalized, the new version of testing gets a new name. |
| 20:53.08 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: sid is always sid. |
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| 20:53.19 | jhutchins_wk | testing changes, stable changes, oldstable changes. |
| 20:53.22 | HelenB_ | Okay so what you can see on the side is pwidget... |
| 20:53.23 | djzn | jhutchins_wk: same for wheezy? |
| 20:53.24 | HelenB_ | http://puppylinux.dreamhosters.com/widgets/forum-p1-of-188_files/2iiirgy.jpg |
| 20:53.34 | HelenB_ | that is puppy only tho... :( |
| 20:53.37 | jhutchins_wk | wheezy is testing now, will become stable when enough bugs are fixed. |
| 20:53.39 | zecrazytux | djzn: no, wheezy is the next stable |
| 20:53.46 | HelenB_ | I want a tool just like it for debian. |
| 20:53.56 | efaistos | hello |
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| 20:54.15 | djzn | i really considered debian today.... i had a MAJOR CentOS 6.3 post install crash.... |
| 20:54.18 | efaistos | did anyone give a try to install a debian on a macbook air 5,2 |
| 20:54.19 | efaistos | ? |
| 20:54.27 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: So each testing release eventually becomes the stable release, and a new name is given to testing. |
| 20:54.57 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: If you stick with debian stable you can have a pretty reliable system. Only problem is there's no "LTS". |
| 20:55.12 | HelenB_ | Actually no... |
| 20:55.18 | HelenB_ | wheezy is stable enough |
| 20:55.26 | HelenB_ | I use it I know it's testing |
| 20:55.29 | djzn | jhutchins_wk: the thing is.... stable is always a LTS .... |
| 20:55.31 | jhutchins_wk | HelenB_: Not for new users. |
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| 20:55.53 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: Actually no, one year support then it goes to the archives and no new security updates. |
| 20:55.55 | djzn | does debian work with PPAs too? |
| 20:56.22 | HelenB_ | jhutchins_wk, I just install a core and build it up. |
| 20:56.41 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: No, we have some 30,000 packages in the official repos so they're rarely needed. There have been third-party repos of various quality and value, but they're not called ppas. |
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| 20:57.16 | jhutchins_wk | HelenaB: testing is known to have updates that are known to break things. The intel video driver in squeeze was a good example. |
| 20:57.36 | jhutchins_wk | HelenaB: It was working, it broke, and it stayed broken for several months through several upgrades. |
| 20:57.40 | djzn | ok, so i want to know, if I install debian, if there is a way go get gstreamer-bad and -ugly.... xvid codecs, etc... sun java... stuff like that, flash player.... |
| 20:58.07 | Ono-Sendai | hey..thanks for the help!See you soon :) |
| 20:58.09 | Ono-Sendai | bye |
| 20:58.12 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: It seldom comes down to building your own package from source, but you can always do that. |
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| 20:58.53 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: In the few cases like skype, chrome, etc. where we can't distribute the sofware, either the maker sets up a repo or someone writes a wrapper script. |
| 20:59.26 | reuf | i want to record a screen cast what software do use? |
| 20:59.27 | djzn | jhutchins_wk: i see, how about gstreamer-ugly + bad.... is there any thing like a repo... like "RPMForge" |
| 20:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: Since debian is one of the most common distributions, and .deb packages will work with a number of distros, it's a fairly available format. |
| 20:59.49 | HelenaB | I'm going to be reinstalling one of my systems |
| 20:59.53 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: Not as much. More stuff in the official repos, less need to go outside. |
| 21:00.00 | HelenaB | I learned a lesson |
| 21:00.09 | HelenaB | Never use apt-get autoremove |
| 21:00.27 | HelenaB | It doesn't always know what's being used and what isn't |
| 21:00.29 | jhutchins_wk | HelenaB: especially on testing where dependencies might not be finalized. |
| 21:00.30 | djzn | jhutchins_wk: they say debian is pragmatic... so there is NONFREE stuff on the official repos???? |
| 21:00.35 | martianlobster | What is the best way to list all of the files in a certain package, for example, findutils? |
| 21:00.46 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: No, but like I said, there are workarounds. |
| 21:00.51 | HelenaB | therefore I removed a lot of packages that were being depended on and it ruined my install |
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| 21:00.59 | zecrazytux | reuf: apt-cache search screencast # might be of help |
| 21:01.05 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: rpmforge isn't just about non-free stuff. |
| 21:01.30 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: Although with EPEL and other non-RH repos that side is getting better. |
| 21:01.32 | djzn | right, it's about free stuff too |
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| 21:01.42 | saf1 | what does Snapshot mean in file system domain ? |
| 21:01.49 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: I would suggest you jump on in and try it. We're here to help. |
| 21:01.52 | jelly-home | martianlobster: installed? dpkg -L packagename. not installed? apt-file is your friend |
| 21:01.57 | djzn | i need a very stable 'unbreakable' system... with gnome 2 |
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| 21:02.31 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: I will tell you that I don't have the latest version of calibre, which means I'm missing some really nice features, but it's built against a newer release of the language (ruby?) so it can't be backported. |
| 21:02.34 | martianlobster | jelly-home: thanks |
| 21:03.14 | jhutchins_wk | djzn: There is a project to extend support for gnome2, but I believe 3 is standard on stable now. |
| 21:03.20 | jhutchins_wk | (I use kde) |
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| 21:03.42 | jelly-home | !mate |
| 21:03.42 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2 to keep its development active (this is not supported in #debian). http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:04.23 | djzn | jhutchins_wk: but in debian 6.0 gnome 2 is going to be the default DE until 7, right |
| 21:04.53 | jelly-home | there's always xfce |
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| 21:05.07 | jelly-home | djzn: correct |
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| 21:05.25 | djzn | but I think even redhat is going to turn over gnome 3, when RHEL 7 comes |
| 21:05.34 | f0x90 | is there a closer mirror for security.debian.org say like in the northwest usa |
| 21:06.14 | f0x90 | also what's this debian.hands.com |
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| 21:06.39 | dondelelcaro | f0x90: security.debian.org uses a geo-ip based dns RR |
| 21:06.54 | dondelelcaro | f0x90: so in general, you just use that |
| 21:07.01 | balki | When doing an upgrade I get the "the following PAM services need to be upgraded", is there an option that will just accept the default for these without a prompt? I just want it to restart the services, not ask me for a list. |
| 21:07.17 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Thanks, I wasn't sure about that. |
| 21:07.22 | jhutchins_wk | There's also cinnamon |
| 21:07.23 | dondelelcaro | f0x90: That's just a mirror. |
| 21:07.41 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: what's that, kde3 fork? |
| 21:08.00 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Gnome shell fork. |
| 21:08.33 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I think to make G3 more configurable and G2 like without using old libraries. |
| 21:08.43 | jhutchins_wk | !cinnamon |
| 21:08.43 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #657395. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 21:08.46 | jelly-home | I have no idea what the shell does in gnome |
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| 21:09.14 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: I don't think gnome shell is what you would think of as a shell, but like I said, kde. |
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| 21:09.53 | jelly-home | I've used DOSShell! and Program Manager! |
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| 21:11.07 | nsadmin | hi |
| 21:11.07 | f0x90 | what's the control+? command that brings up the auto completing list of recently executed shell commands? |
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| 21:11.30 | jhutchins_wk | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/07/27/2239251/gnome-staring-into-the-abyss |
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| 21:11.46 | nsadmin | f0x90: history (to your shell) |
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| 21:11.54 | f0x90 | awesome |
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| 21:12.55 | Agiofws | php5-cli: |
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| 21:14.49 | Agiofws | can anyone atleast tel me how to reconfigure a package to prompt for the same config file ? |
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| 21:16.08 | f0x90 | so is wicd old? should I use something else? |
| 21:16.12 | jelly-home | Agiofws: please pastebin the output of dpkg -l php5\* libc6 dpkg | grep '^.i' |
| 21:16.21 | f0x90 | should i use the old skool wpa daemons |
| 21:16.43 | nsadmin | Agiofws, you mean when a package is installed it should prompt for something? |
| 21:16.59 | f0x90 | anyone using moblock or peerguardian for linux?? |
| 21:17.01 | nsadmin | Agiofws, not quite getting what you want yet |
| 21:17.07 | jelly-home | Agiofws: your paste looks like a regular mail from a cron job, not a delivery notification |
| 21:17.09 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/7Cx3dEJn |
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| 21:17.25 | Agiofws | jelly, yes that it is but its an error |
| 21:17.37 | jelly-home | Agiofws: you're not using Debian packaged php. |
| 21:18.01 | Agiofws | what am i using ? |
| 21:18.19 | Agiofws | php5-common 5.3.3-7+squeeze13 Common files for packages built from the php5 source |
| 21:18.24 | jelly-home | Agiofws: I can't know, but you seem to have leftover cron jobs from debian packaging. |
| 21:18.42 | Agiofws | anyway i uninstalled it php5-cli |
| 21:18.58 | jelly-home | Agiofws: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l php5\* libc6 dpkg" without grep? |
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| 21:19.36 | Agiofws | http://codepad.org/ephkLWEu |
| 21:19.46 | jelly-home | Agiofws: purging that remaining php5-common package will get rid of /etc/cron |
| 21:19.51 | jelly-home | Agiofws: purging that remaining php5-common package will get rid of /etc/cron.d/php5 |
| 21:20.16 | Agiofws | uninstall it ? |
| 21:20.39 | jelly-home | no, purge. |
| 21:20.43 | Agiofws | i hope it won't break anything or maybe uninstall something that i need |
| 21:20.57 | jelly-home | well you have already removed all php providers |
| 21:21.02 | Agiofws | does synaptic have a purge option ? |
| 21:21.18 | jelly-home | no idea. dpkg, apt-get or aptitude do. |
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| 21:21.27 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Agiofws about purge |
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| 21:22.43 | Agiofws | ok done completely removed ... |
| 21:23.00 | Agiofws | and thank you for the support |
| 21:23.04 | f0x90 | how advisable is squeeze-proposed-updates in sources.list |
| 21:23.13 | Agiofws | ok |
| 21:23.18 | Agiofws | anyone here using FB ? |
| 21:23.28 | f0x90 | facebook? |
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| 21:24.13 | KAPITALISMUSS | jessie |
| 21:24.28 | KAPITALISMUSS | is it pronouced the same as jesse? |
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| 21:24.37 | Agiofws | ok this would be Off topic so taking it to fb channel |
| 21:24.41 | jelly-home | KAPITALISMUSS: try asking in ##English |
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| 21:25.08 | KAPITALISMUSS | roger wilco |
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| 21:25.38 | Agiofws | just wondering if anyone of you got this message in fb today or did i accidentally activate the new time line http://imagebin.org/222643 |
| 21:25.52 | jelly-home | f0x90: not for production systems; ok for testing systems if you want to see what might happen in stable or if any of the updates fix any of your issues |
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| 21:26.49 | zecrazytux | Agiofws: this is irrelevant to debian |
| 21:27.00 | Agiofws | ok ok ... sorry guys |
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| 21:27.23 | f0x90 | oooooh @ netselect-apt |
| 21:27.30 | f0x90 | find fastest mirrors |
| 21:27.49 | jelly-home | Be That Guy |
| 21:27.55 | jhutchins_wk | f0x90: Honestly though, I haven't seen the same kind of congestion using the meta-address as I have for other distros. |
| 21:28.19 | f0x90 | which meta address |
| 21:28.50 | f0x90 | im afraid of using aptitude because it removes shit it shouldn't sometimes |
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| 21:30.31 | jelly-home | aptitude unmarkauto helps sometimes |
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| 21:31.15 | ac_slater | Hey guys.... building a package with debuild creates a changes file and my .deb 2 directories back. I dont see an option to set this, and, as with all debian documentation, I cant find anything up to date online. Any hits? |
| 21:31.45 | f0x90 | jelly-home: is wheezy not stable yet? |
| 21:32.01 | f0x90 | how can i check my distro name |
| 21:32.07 | f0x90 | lsb-info? |
| 21:32.09 | zecrazytux | f0x90: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:32.20 | zecrazytux | f0x90: squeeze is 6.0(.x) |
| 21:32.38 | f0x90 | so wheezy is unstable |
| 21:32.41 | zecrazytux | no |
| 21:32.47 | zecrazytux | wheezy is testing |
| 21:32.51 | f0x90 | i'd like to have 7 |
| 21:32.54 | f0x90 | how's it running |
| 21:32.54 | zecrazytux | until it is released as stable |
| 21:33.01 | LtL | f0x90: lsb_release -a |
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| 21:33.06 | zecrazytux | wheezy will be 7.0 |
| 21:33.07 | f0x90 | ty |
| 21:33.23 | f0x90 | Of the hosts tested we choose the fastest valid for HTTP: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 21:33.27 | f0x90 | lol |
| 21:35.36 | ac_slater | Is there #debian-dev channel? |
| 21:35.45 | ac_slater | is there a* |
| 21:36.36 | jelly-home | ac_slater: not on this network, but there's something similar on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) |
| 21:36.52 | ac_slater | jelly-home, thanks! |
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| 21:38.04 | martianlobster | when I run this apt-file search /usr/bin/locate, I don't see any packages installed, which contain /usr/bin/locate. But the file is there? What am I doing wrong? How can I find out which packages contains /usr/bin/locate? |
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| 21:38.48 | jelly-home | martianlobster: get rid of the leading /, search for usr/bin/locate |
| 21:38.54 | martianlobster | ok |
| 21:39.20 | martianlobster | still no luck |
| 21:39.26 | jelly-home | apt-file won't find alternatives-using paths |
| 21:39.55 | jelly-home | martianlobster: have you forgotten to apt-file update first? |
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| 21:40.12 | martianlobster | I think I did |
| 21:40.13 | martianlobster | I will do that now |
| 21:40.25 | f0x90 | for instance jelly-home |
| 21:40.28 | jelly-home | apt-file search usr/bin/locate finds something related here, |
| 21:40.38 | f0x90 | aptitude would like to remove 57 items |
| 21:40.47 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 21:40.47 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 21:40.57 | jelly-home | f0x90: ^^ |
| 21:41.01 | f0x90 | including totem, nautilus, build-essential |
| 21:41.12 | f0x90 | desktop-base g++ etc |
| 21:41.18 | f0x90 | gnome-session.. core |
| 21:41.22 | f0x90 | why is this? |
| 21:41.39 | reuf | orm for python - is there such a thing? |
| 21:42.09 | zecrazytux | reuf: there are a handful of them |
| 21:42.10 | jelly-home | f0x90: I don't want to make a wild-ass guess without looking at actual output |
| 21:42.22 | reuf | what are top 3? |
| 21:42.23 | martianlobster | jelly-home: this is what I GET |
| 21:42.25 | martianlobster | apt-file search /usr/bin/locate |
| 21:42.36 | zecrazytux | reuf: this is not particularly related to debian though |
| 21:42.36 | martianlobster | atlc: /usr/bin/locatediff |
| 21:42.36 | martianlobster | locate: /usr/bin/locate.findutils |
| 21:42.40 | themill | reuf: you might do better in #python |
| 21:42.49 | jelly-home | martianlobster: sounds legit? |
| 21:42.52 | martianlobster | NO |
| 21:42.54 | martianlobster | oops |
| 21:42.59 | martianlobster | accidental caps lock |
| 21:43.03 | reuf | oh crap |
| 21:43.06 | reuf | wrong channel |
| 21:43.07 | reuf | sorry guys |
| 21:43.10 | martianlobster | those are similar sounding files, but unrelated |
| 21:43.11 | simonlnu | reuf: 1. yes 2. ask #python |
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| 21:43.20 | themill | martianlobster: the short answer is that you want to install the "mlocate" package. once it's installed, you'll understand why |
| 21:43.23 | simonlnu | reuf: np |
| 21:43.27 | jelly-home | martianlobster: I'm not sure about that.. the latter looks quite related! |
| 21:43.34 | martianlobster | themill: thanks |
| 21:43.52 | reuf | zecrazytux, simonlnu, themill - sorry guys - im in python channel by default - sorry guys, thanks for the reply |
| 21:44.09 | simonlnu | reuf: gl and hand :) |
| 21:44.14 | jelly-home | martianlobster: but again, /usr/bin/locate is managed via the alternatives system, and apt-file does not deal with that |
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| 21:44.33 | martianlobster | themill: how did you find the answer? |
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| 21:44.51 | martianlobster | jelly-home: OK that explains why apt-file search /usr/bin/locate didn't find mlocate |
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| 21:45.04 | f0x90 | jelly-home: when i hit aptitude install network-manager-gnome: http://pastebin.ca/2175965 |
| 21:45.20 | themill | martianlobster: already knowing the answer helps ;) |
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| 21:45.35 | martianlobster | lol ok |
| 21:46.06 | jelly-home | f0x90: you seem to be mixing different Debian releases |
| 21:46.46 | jelly-home | f0x90: or your current wheezy or sid system is quite old |
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| 21:47.54 | ompaul | ,v python-gnome2 |
| 21:47.56 | judd | Package: python-gnome2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.0-1; squeeze: 2.28.1-1; sid: 2.28.1+dfsg-1; wheezy: 2.28.1+dfsg-1 |
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| 21:48.35 | ompaul | ,v python |
| 21:48.37 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1; sid: 2.7.3-2 |
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| 21:49.21 | f0x90 | jelly-home: its right off the install cd |
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| 21:49.33 | jelly-home | f0x90: which install cd? |
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| 21:50.34 | simonlnu | f0x90: there's several cd formats and other formats available |
| 21:50.36 | jelly-home | f0x90: care to pastebin the rest of the stuff dpkg wrote about? |
| 21:51.12 | ompaul | jelly-home: that looks like a safe-upgrade |
| 21:51.14 | ompaul | not a dist-upgrade |
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| 21:51.17 | simonlnu | "c'est comme tirer les vers du nez" |
| 21:51.24 | f0x90 | the latest stable wheezy 680mb+ cd 1 |
| 21:51.31 | f0x90 | i mean |
| 21:51.33 | f0x90 | squeeze |
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| 21:51.51 | f0x90 | aptitude is severely confused |
| 21:51.53 | jelly-home | f0x90: pastebin your "apt-cache policy" output, for a start |
| 21:51.54 | f0x90 | it removed my dmraid once |
| 21:52.50 | boudiccas | f0x90: no error messages? it didnt happen! |
| 21:52.59 | simonlnu | those As in aptitude's display are there for a reason |
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| 21:53.17 | KAPITALISMUSS | http://blurredlogic.net/drupal7/?q=blog/1 is this your blog? |
| 21:53.27 | KAPITALISMUSS | f0x90: |
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| 21:53.47 | f0x90 | yes |
| 21:53.57 | f0x90 | http://xor.cx is the proper url to use though |
| 21:54.03 | KAPITALISMUSS | ok |
| 21:54.40 | ompaul | f0x90: when did you last aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:54.48 | f0x90 | i have a teensy usb i wanna start messing with |
| 21:54.52 | f0x90 | not yet ompaul |
| 21:55.18 | ompaul | that might have a lot to do with your problem |
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| 21:56.08 | f0x90 | wont paste.. |
| 21:56.10 | jelly-home | wild-ass guessing time: f0x90 has had some repos other than squeeze creep in his sources.list |
| 21:56.21 | f0x90 | jelly-home: yea probably |
| 21:56.36 | ompaul | jelly-home: I'd say wheezy is in there and squeeze at the same time |
| 21:56.52 | jelly-home | f0x90: mixing releases is a Bad Idea™ |
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| 21:57.04 | f0x90 | hold on |
| 21:57.05 | f0x90 | lets check |
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| 21:57.30 | ompaul | f0x90: to continue, please put the following in paste.debian.net apt-cache policy and /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* |
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| 21:58.25 | entangledphoton | cheers folks |
| 21:58.50 | f0x90 | ty http://paste.debian.net/181258/ |
| 21:59.12 | ompaul | that's horrid |
| 21:59.24 | f0x90 | http://paste.debian.net/181259/ sources |
| 21:59.49 | f0x90 | i picked it up off a forum i was linked to in here |
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| 22:00.06 | ompaul | and you have MM in there for fun and no profit |
| 22:00.15 | jelly-home | f0x90: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 22:00.24 | jelly-home | get rid of everything else |
| 22:00.45 | f0x90 | i'd like nonfree and contrib |
| 22:00.46 | ompaul | not hash out might be useful later - total it - in the bin - gone - forgotten |
| 22:01.06 | jelly-home | f0x90: so enable them. Just stop using other deb sources. |
| 22:01.10 | f0x90 | ok |
| 22:01.12 | sney | non-free and contrib are fine, just don't mix squeeze and wheezy, and skip the 3rd party stuff for now. |
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| 22:01.29 | f0x90 | brb moving to wifi and a charger |
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| 22:02.04 | ompaul | f0x90: you like making it hard |
| 22:02.10 | ompaul | keep it on wire |
| 22:02.13 | chipotle | hi, i have a folder that i want to change ownership from root to www-data , how do i do that? the folder and its contents need to have write and read permissions... |
| 22:02.16 | jelly-home | even so, aptitude in theory ought to do the Right Thing even on a naive squeeze->wheezy like that. Perhaps it will, one day. |
| 22:02.33 | sney | chipotle: man chown |
| 22:02.49 | jelly-home | chipotle: write and read permissions for whom? |
| 22:02.56 | chipotle | jelly-home www-data |
| 22:03.07 | jelly-home | just that user and noone else? |
| 22:03.12 | chipotle | sney would chown -R www-data:www-data /usr/share/tomcat6 work? |
| 22:03.21 | chipotle | jelly-home yeah, that's all that needs to access tomcat |
| 22:03.48 | HelenaB | When I click on the desktop conky disappears. |
| 22:04.48 | jelly-home | chipotle: something like "chown -R www-data: /usr/share/tomcat6 && chmod -R u+rwgo-rw /usr/share/tomcat6", then |
| 22:05.41 | sney | chipotle: really though, you should read the man pages for both chown and chmod so you really understand the changes you're making |
| 22:05.45 | chipotle | should i change the group too? |
| 22:05.46 | jelly-home | now only root and www-data are able to ls -l /usr/share/tomcat6 |
| 22:05.54 | chipotle | sney permissions/acl's have always been difficult for me |
| 22:06.08 | jelly-home | chipotle: that command changes the group ownerships as well. |
| 22:06.22 | sney | it'll be even more difficult if you wind up with some security issue and you need to fix it |
| 22:06.57 | jelly-home | make a test directory and subdir, put some files in'em, see what it does |
| 22:07.23 | chipotle | hrm, i'm still getting permission denied and i have when i do ls -la /usr/share/tomcat6/solr : drwxr-xr-x 5 www-data root 4096 Jun 26 14:56 conf |
| 22:07.26 | chipotle | any idea why? |
| 22:07.41 | chipotle | my web app should have access via www-data as that's the user apache runs on |
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| 22:08.38 | superstraw | chipotle: one of the parent folders has the wrong permissions? |
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| 22:08.43 | f0x90 | ok dokie |
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| 22:08.50 | jelly-home | chipotle: you did not run the exact command I gave |
| 22:08.56 | f0x90 | did it via command line and it was surpirisingly easy |
| 22:08.59 | f0x90 | -i |
| 22:09.15 | chipotle | jelly-home i know, i omnly did chown |
| 22:09.21 | chipotle | i was worried about changing the file permissions |
| 22:09.27 | jelly-home | you did not run even the exact chown part |
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| 22:09.37 | jelly-home | forgot the : after www-data |
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| 22:10.02 | Steisi_F | I need someone to make a program for me, the budget is $500 |
| 22:10.15 | MO_Handes | What are these translations "apt-get update" downloads every time and how do I ignore them? I just want English. |
| 22:10.29 | chipotle | how do i see what user owns tomcat6, it should be running, right? so how do i see the owner of tomcat6? |
| 22:10.29 | f0x90 | lol |
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| 22:10.40 | HelenaB | My SEXY desktop! > http://ompldr.org/vZXhlMA |
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| 22:11.06 | f0x90 | im not clicking that |
| 22:11.07 | jelly-home | !ops HelenaB unauthorized bot |
| 22:11.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: HelenaB unauthorized bot |
| 22:11.19 | HelenaB | ... |
| 22:11.31 | HelenaB | me no bot |
| 22:11.32 | f0x90 | upload it to imgur |
| 22:11.38 | superstraw | By their powers united... |
| 22:11.44 | f0x90 | they are |
| 22:11.46 | f0x90 | captain planet |
| 22:11.47 | chipotle | i mean, it should appear in a ps aux right? |
| 22:11.58 | sney | eugh, green on black, what is this 1992? |
| 22:12.00 | jelly-home | HelenaB: your CTCP VERSION says different |
| 22:12.05 | superstraw | err, By their powers combined? |
| 22:12.08 | HelenaB | f0x90, no because it's fine on omploader |
| 22:12.23 | abrotman | looks at HelenaB |
| 22:12.28 | superstraw | O_o |
| 22:12.31 | superstraw | git the rope |
| 22:12.32 | themill | HelenaB: don't do that... no-one here cares what your desktop looks like |
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| 22:12.51 | HelenaB | goes idle again back into her hole she goes |
| 22:13.03 | chipotle | jelly-home thank you. i got it working; the correct user was tomcat6, not www-data :) |
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| 22:13.10 | jelly-home | HelenaB: jumping head first in a channel with a link unrelated to a running convo is very suspect |
| 22:13.34 | MO_Handes | themill, can you please take a look at my question? |
| 22:13.43 | MO_Handes | I'm glad you're here |
| 22:14.21 | shak3zula | cli is sexier than a destkop anyday |
| 22:14.27 | themill | MO_Handes: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update" and "locale" |
| 22:14.37 | jelly-home | I run all my clis on a desktop thingy. |
| 22:14.39 | MO_Handes | themill, yes, in a minute |
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| 22:16.02 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i disable hyperthreading from kernel parameters? my bios has not it. |
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| 22:16.19 | shak3zula | yea i guess i do too actually come to think of it |
| 22:16.48 | f0x90 | jelly-home: im having trouble connecting to my samba share |
| 22:17.06 | f0x90 | what's the best way to permanently map a share |
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| 22:17.34 | f0x90 | i think im getting the domain wrong but when i login on windows i set the domain to just \"user" |
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| 22:17.41 | MO_Handes | themill, http://paste.debian.net/181264/ |
| 22:18.17 | f0x90 | no route to host.. |
| 22:18.20 | f0x90 | hm |
| 22:18.36 | f0x90 | must be off xD |
| 22:19.05 | superlinux-hp | hi. how can i disable hyperthreading from kernel parameters? my bios has not it. |
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| 22:20.01 | Woet | what is the best way to determine whether a harddisk is broken or not using CLI tools? |
| 22:20.32 | frostschutz | Woet: smartctl -a / -t long is a good start |
| 22:20.33 | Woet | smart always says the disk is fine even though there are issues with it |
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| 22:20.47 | Woet | hm, long test is an idea |
| 22:21.39 | Woet | frostschutz: is it possible to clear the test history using smart? |
| 22:21.47 | frostschutz | Woet: badblocks, but it can damage data even in nondestructive mode. and badblocks may be just testing a bad cable or controller |
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| 22:22.07 | Woet | hm |
| 22:22.08 | frostschutz | Woet: I don't know if test history can be cleared, but it should not influence new tests either way |
| 22:22.16 | Woet | basically I want this to be automated |
| 22:22.25 | themill | MO_Handes: you presumably have configured quite a few translations to be downloaded in /etc/apt |
| 22:22.26 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: then why bother? |
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| 22:23.00 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, i just want to see if i can overclock my cpu |
| 22:23.01 | Woet | frostschutz: I'm thinking of grepping and awking "Power_On_Hours" so I know how old the disk is, then compare that to "LifeTime(hours)" on the history of tests to determine whether it needs to be tested |
| 22:23.27 | frostschutz | Woet: you can schedule and automate tests with smartmond |
| 22:23.28 | abrotman | not sure what that has to do with HT |
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| 22:23.32 | Woet | frostschutz: if the difference is < 72 hours and the result is good, i'll assume the disk is fine. |
| 22:23.51 | Woet | frostschutz: this is basically determining whether a server should go back in stock or needs a replacement |
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| 22:23.59 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, do you know the option or not? |
| 22:24.09 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, do you know the option name or not? |
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| 22:25.36 | jelly-home | superlinux-hp: please do not repeat yourself that often. Find your option in the reference http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt and if it's not there, there's probably none. |
| 22:25.51 | MO_Handes | themill, I've just installed wheezy from CD1, I didn't touch anything, how can I solve it? |
| 22:26.16 | pparadis | 18:24 < superlinux-hp> abrotman, do you know the option name or not? <-- gosh, that sounds more than a tad demanding |
| 22:26.23 | superlinux-hp | jelly-home, i was just correcting. |
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| 22:26.32 | pparadis | superlinux-hp: that's a good example of how to make people less likely to help you in the future/ |
| 22:27.59 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: you still haven't explained how it will help you |
| 22:28.35 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, i donno.. the cpu gets so hot |
| 22:28.43 | abrotman | .... |
| 22:28.51 | pparadis | and you want to overclock it? |
| 22:28.55 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: so you want to *overclock* it? |
| 22:28.59 | abrotman | were you dropped on your head? |
| 22:29.05 | superlinux-hp | and i also want to see overclocking too. just watch the difference |
| 22:29.41 | jelly-home | superlinux-hp: oh... in this case it was pretty obvious what you meant, also you repeated the original question with a 3 minute delay |
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| 22:30.14 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: if your CPU gets hot, you likely don't want to increase the workload |
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| 22:31.16 | ocx | anyone familiar iwth ssh tunneling? |
| 22:31.36 | pparadis | !ask |
| 22:31.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:31.59 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: you mean underclock right? |
| 22:32.02 | jelly-home | superlinux-hp: sometimes linux can have issues making the fans work. I suggest focusing on lowering the temperature first if you care about hardware life time. |
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| 22:32.21 | tharkun | superlinux-hp: Last time overclocking was usefull was like 20 years ago. |
| 22:32.31 | superlinux-hp | seriously if i really want to cool it down, 100Km/hr air flow is needed. i tested it when i was on my way back home on the bus |
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| 22:32.48 | gnarface | hmm... i have had fan speed issues in the past due to bios settings, not severe ones though |
| 22:32.52 | superlinux-hp | i can easily reach 48C |
| 22:32.58 | gnarface | bah |
| 22:33.00 | gnarface | that's cold |
| 22:33.14 | ocx | ssh -L localhost:port1:remote_host:port2 host3 <<-- http://localhost:port1 would connect to host2:port2 via host3 over encrypted channel or not? |
| 22:33.15 | gnarface | worry when it crosses 60 |
| 22:33.19 | tharkun | superlinux-hp: and battery life will last about 10% of its useful time if it doesn break at the first attempt |
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| 22:34.07 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: 48C isn't bad at all |
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| 22:34.22 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, i can reach 89C when i do video compression |
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| 22:34.31 | abrotman | okay, over 100 or 120 is bad |
| 22:34.38 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: well, so that's definitely over safe |
| 22:34.48 | superlinux-hp | abramart, 48C only happened in the bus |
| 22:34.59 | superlinux-hp | abrotman, , 48C only happened in the bus |
| 22:35.25 | pparadis | superlinux-hp: your irc client probably supports tab completion for nicks. |
| 22:36.17 | pparadis | goes shopping at abramart. |
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| 22:36.27 | pparadis | hey! code on sale today! |
| 22:36.30 | tharkun | ocx: tias |
| 22:36.35 | gnarface | if it weren't a laptop i'd say make sure that if you have 3-wire fans the bios knows they're PWM controlled fans and if you have 2-wire fans only it knows they're all DC... but a laptop isn't likely to have bios settings for such things |
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| 22:36.50 | superlinux-hp | pparadis, yes it does. I have xchat |
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| 22:37.14 | gnarface | i had an old mac laptop that wouldn't turn fans on at all until you loaded up the right lm-sensors drivers |
| 22:37.29 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: your fans are spinning, right? you can confirm? |
| 22:37.30 | atrigent | how do I get apt-get to give me a prompt? |
| 22:37.40 | abrotman | superlinux-hp: how old/new is this machine ? |
| 22:37.42 | pparadis | has CPU temp issues... wants to overclock his CPU. has tab completion for nicks in his IRC client, doesn't use it. man. imma go take a shower, bbiab. |
| 22:37.43 | abrotman | atrigent: what? |
| 22:37.58 | superlinux-hp | yes they are even if i told the BIOS that fans should be off |
| 22:37.59 | atrigent | apt-get sometimes prompts me to continue and sometimes ont |
| 22:38.01 | atrigent | not |
| 22:38.04 | atrigent | I always want a prompt |
| 22:38.18 | abrotman | it should prompt if it is installing extra packages |
| 22:38.44 | superlinux-hp | and i also have background noise when i record |
| 22:38.45 | atrigent | is there a way to get it to always prompt me? |
| 22:38.50 | themill | atrigent: if it's doing exactly what you asked it to do and no more, it just does it |
| 22:39.11 | atrigent | so there is no way |
| 22:39.13 | atrigent | cool |
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| 22:39.57 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: background noise on the line-in channel is usually from an open mic or analog RF interference coming from the CDROM drive. often you can mute it |
| 22:40.24 | themill | atrigent: aptitude certainly has such an option; I don't believe apt-get does |
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| 22:42.45 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, i don't have a line in volume control |
| 22:42.52 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, i don't have a line-in volume control |
| 22:43.35 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: but you can still mute/unmute it, and besides which its your cdrom or mic you probably need to mute |
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| 22:44.15 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, cdrom also has no volume control |
| 22:44.38 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: right but it can also be muted. |
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| 22:44.51 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, how? |
| 22:45.14 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: if you're using alsamixer the key is "m" by default. if you're using something else i recommend reading the documentation |
| 22:45.31 | nvz | gnarface: from my experience noise can also more commonly be due to grounding problems |
| 22:45.48 | nvz | if you run an extra ground to something that makes a good ground most noise will dissapear |
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| 22:46.13 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: actually i recommend you read the documentation anyway |
| 22:46.15 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, No! i mean how can i mute it while i don't a volume controller for it in alsamixer? got me? |
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| 22:46.28 | oscurochu | php isnt working with apache |
| 22:46.43 | pparadis | !doesn't work |
| 22:46.44 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 22:47.00 | gnarface | nvz: sure, probably same problem actually, but its a laptop... |
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| 22:47.59 | oscurochu | how much more information do you want? |
| 22:48.08 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: ah, i see. well its possible you need to hit the [tab] key to see recording options in alsamixer. its also possible you're loading the wrong driver or the driver is failing to auto-detect the correct model of soundcard you have. documentation for the relevant soundcard should in a fair world help you |
| 22:48.19 | superlinux-hp | و عليكم السلام |
| 22:48.22 | pparadis | oscurochu: more than you've given, since you haven't given nearly enough to even begin to help you. |
| 22:48.23 | pikaro | hi! is there a place that outlines reasons for a package not being included in a debian variant? i'd need libssl0.9.8 in wheezy, but strangely, it's only available for squeeze and sif, so i'm wondering why and what i can do. |
| 22:48.24 | nvz | gnarface: yeah well all problems that could cause that are less likely on a laptop. the big question is if we're talking about the speakers it has or externals cause my external speakers always have noise cause our house is poorly grounded |
| 22:48.37 | superlinux-hp | sorry a typo |
| 22:48.38 | pikaro | *sid |
| 22:48.48 | oscurochu | php and apache are installed and i see php source code. |
| 22:48.49 | pparadis | asakura: you might start by explaining what you're trying to do, what configuration you've already done, what you expected to happen, and what happened instead. |
| 22:49.00 | pparadis | sorry, my last was for oscurochu |
| 22:49.12 | oscurochu | well instead of giving me some smart a** generic response, you could ask questions. |
| 22:49.24 | gnarface | nvz: ah. well that's just cause you live too close to an overdriven AM radio station. its probably giving your pancreas cancer too. i recommend buying shielded speaker wires and wearing a tinfoil codpiece |
| 22:49.25 | pparadis | oscurochu: how about providing some actual information? |
| 22:49.34 | pparadis | !tell oscurochu about smart questions |
| 22:49.49 | nvz | pikaro: there is, though I don't recall where.. and the word you're looking for is "branch" wheezy is a branch of debian, its not a variant.. a variant would be linux mint or ubuntu or something |
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| 22:50.12 | pikaro | ok, sorry for the mixup, thanks |
| 22:50.17 | oscurochu | what is up with all the rude responses??? |
| 22:50.22 | oscurochu | tell me what you want to know |
| 22:50.30 | pparadis | oscurochu: i have. |
| 22:50.44 | pparadis | oscurochu: please describe your problem. you haven't done that yet. we don't even know what version of debian you're using. |
| 22:50.45 | nvz | gnarface: no its just because our house is poorly wired. we got 90% of our stuff on on circuit for example, a 20A circuit with about 70A or so plugged into it |
| 22:50.50 | oscurochu | fuck you. sorry about my language, but thats the only thing i have to say to anyone who has reponded to my problems. fuck you. |
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| 22:51.07 | gnarface | haha |
| 22:51.09 | gnarface | !next |
| 22:51.09 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 22:51.10 | pparadis | wow |
| 22:51.20 | pparadis | oh well |
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| 22:52.17 | f0x90 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: smbfs : Depends: cifs-utils (= 2:4.5-2+squeeze1) but 2:5.5-1 is to be installed |
| 22:52.34 | f0x90 | what is it that I do now again |
| 22:52.40 | nvz | f0x90: so install cifs-utils |
| 22:52.44 | jelly-home | f0x90: run apt-get update |
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| 22:52.45 | f0x90 | i did |
| 22:52.49 | f0x90 | and did that too |
| 22:52.58 | jelly-home | then you !bat again |
| 22:53.00 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 22:53.00 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:53.49 | pikaro | it would generally not be a good idea to install the squeeze packet in wheezy, would it? |
| 22:53.53 | n8t | hi ..i have printer ML-4500 ... wich is support with linux ...but on debian i have no parport and /dev/lp0 ... dasn't exitst |
| 22:54.03 | n8t | how can i make this printer to run here |
| 22:54.11 | f0x90 | pikaro: what am i missing |
| 22:54.18 | f0x90 | i just cleaned up my sources now |
| 22:54.26 | nvz | pikaro: depends on the package in question, and you'd want to pin it or something. I have been pulling gqview from lenny for quite some time now |
| 22:54.28 | pikaro | scroll up ;) trying to get libssl0.9.8 on wheezy |
| 22:54.34 | n8t | any help pls |
| 22:54.47 | pparadis | pikaro: mixing packages between releases will result in breakage. |
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| 22:55.04 | n8t | i try to add with local host : 631 ..but i hano no spt support there |
| 22:55.06 | pparadis | pikaro: could you perhaps explain what you're trying to do here? |
| 22:55.09 | n8t | LPT* |
| 22:55.14 | f0x90 | downgrading cifs-utils |
| 22:55.25 | f0x90 | aptitude did it |
| 22:55.28 | nvz | pikaro: why do you need to do that? |
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| 22:55.41 | pparadis | nvz: nod, that's what i'm waiting for :) |
| 22:55.51 | pikaro | the packet is a dependecy of something i'm tring to install, but for some reason, it is only in squeeze and sid, and i'm running wheezy. |
| 22:55.54 | f0x90 | jelly-home: a password for a network share in fstab has a parenthese in it, do i have to escape it? |
| 22:55.58 | n8t | any help pls |
| 22:56.09 | abrotman | pikaro: what is this package you're trying to install ? |
| 22:56.16 | pikaro | libssl0.9.8 |
| 22:56.18 | f0x90 | n8t: check your bios settings |
| 22:56.33 | f0x90 | nvm jelly-home it works |
| 22:56.33 | nvz | pikaro: well typically you'd get whatever libssl for example wheezy has and solve the dependency problem with equivs |
| 22:56.35 | pparadis | pikaro: what package are you trying to install, and where did you obtain the package? |
| 22:56.40 | abrotman | pikaro: no, the one that depends on it |
| 22:56.51 | nvz | pparadis: either that or rebuild the package to depend on what wheezy has if it still doesnt work |
| 22:57.00 | pikaro | ah. it's the spotify client for linux |
| 22:57.01 | n8t | f0x90: i was ..and make this printer to work with any other distro ..only on debian i can't |
| 22:57.09 | pikaro | obtained from theit official website |
| 22:57.13 | pikaro | *their |
| 22:57.16 | f0x90 | you probably are looking for a different /dev |
| 22:58.12 | nvz | pikaro: equivs allows you to build an empty package typically solely for the purpose of making dpkg happy when you've satisfied the dependency through other means. in your case you'd satisfy and ssl dependency with a newer ssl package then make an equivs package to solve your issue |
| 22:58.15 | n8t | f0x90: i was surch on internet too for bugs or somethink .. ony i find debian mail list corespondency |
| 22:58.39 | pparadis | pikaro: you can't replace the version of libssl that comes with wheezy without breaking all sorts of stuff. you will likely need to contact the spotify folks about this, since this is third party software. |
| 22:58.56 | pikaro | hm, but why is there backwards compatibility in sid, but not in wheezy? that just seems strange. |
| 22:59.07 | n8t | f0x90: but i can;t find fix on this problem |
| 22:59.18 | nvz | neither sid or wheezy has libssl0.9.8 |
| 22:59.35 | pparadis | pikaro: this appears to be a case of the package you are trying to install depending on a specific, older version of libssl instead of working with a newer version. |
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| 22:59.55 | pparadis | pikaro: it's not the distro's fault. it's the responsibility of whoever created the package. |
| 23:00.05 | nvz | seems to be a case for equivs as I pointed out, but yeah its something you may want to complain upstream about |
| 23:00.20 | pikaro | ooops, i skipped that paragraph too quickly... sid has it only for some less popular architectures |
| 23:00.23 | nvz | but in the meantime you can likely solve the problem with whatever ssl version you have |
| 23:00.39 | pikaro | ok, makes sense now ;) |
| 23:00.54 | pikaro | ok very well, will read up on equivs |
| 23:00.56 | jelly-home | f0x90: dunno, I prefer using credentials=/some/file/readable/only/by/root instead of putting passwords in fstab |
| 23:01.07 | pikaro | thank you very much for the fast support :) |
| 23:01.25 | n8t | f0x90: .. i have .ppd file for this printer ... but i can;t find linux URI .becouse i have not lp0 .. linux modules can't loading here |
| 23:01.39 | f0x90 | how do i edit the new grub jelly-home |
| 23:01.45 | f0x90 | it says not to edit grub.cfg |
| 23:01.52 | f0x90 | i need to change the default option |
| 23:02.01 | jelly-home | ask the channel, not just me |
| 23:02.06 | f0x90 | sorry |
| 23:02.07 | f0x90 | ur here |
| 23:02.08 | n8t | who can help me with this situation |
| 23:02.23 | jelly-home | if you ask me in specific I'm going to ask for a consulting fee |
| 23:02.34 | nvz | heh |
| 23:02.37 | pparadis | f0x90: http://wiki.debian.org/Grub/#Configuring_grub_v2 |
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| 23:03.08 | jelly-home | !grub2 config |
| 23:03.08 | dpkg | If all you want is to dual-boot Debian and Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub#Configuration |
| 23:03.20 | f0x90 | i'd like to know how to specify a file with credentials rather than put the password for a samba share in my fstab |
| 23:03.52 | pparadis | f0x90: http://www.myrocode.com/post/2010/12/12/Debian-Squeeze-mount-windows-share-using-CIFS.aspx |
| 23:03.56 | nvz | n8t: the advice f0x90 is pretty solid.. many BIOS can disable your parallel/serial ports.. verify its turned on in the bios |
| 23:03.57 | f0x90 | how to change default browser btw |
| 23:04.15 | f0x90 | ty |
| 23:04.20 | pparadis | np |
| 23:05.44 | jelly-home | f0x90: the file can also contain a third line domain=KITTENS |
| 23:05.59 | pparadis | jelly-home: can i use PONIES instead? :) |
| 23:06.20 | jelly-home | pparadis: only if PONIES are more your domain |
| 23:06.49 | pparadis | jelly-home: this is veering dangerously close to the world of bronies. we should stop the train here before it's too late. |
| 23:07.09 | f0x90 | mount is asking me for a password now |
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| 23:08.33 | jelly-home | pparadis: at least you're not installing Rainbow Dash as your login shell |
| 23:08.40 | pparadis | D: |
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| 23:09.10 | jelly-home | she's POSIX compliant and 20% cooler! |
| 23:09.34 | jelly-home | f0x90: doing it as root or user? |
| 23:09.39 | pikaro | wow, equivs are cool :D |
| 23:09.52 | f0x90 | root |
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| 23:10.31 | jelly-home | oughta work |
| 23:10.44 | f0x90 | also i'd like the user to be able to mount and it cant |
| 23:10.52 | f0x90 | //codex/codex /media/codex smbfs credentials=/root/.credentials,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
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| 23:11.19 | jelly-home | /lol.local/dongs /net/dongscifscredentials=/home/jelly/.smbmountrc,rw,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,uid=1000,gid=100,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0755,iocharset=utf8,user,noauto00 |
| 23:11.52 | jelly-home | /net/dongs is owned by user jelly |
| 23:12.06 | jelly-home | "mount /net/dongs" as jelly works |
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| 23:12.39 | jelly-home | perhaps this anonymisation is not as successful as the kitten one |
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| 23:14.21 | f0x90 | viola |
| 23:14.26 | f0x90 | excellente |
| 23:14.37 | jelly-home | hm. Well. It used to work. Now it says [1:14] ~/h => mount /net/odjeli |
| 23:14.37 | jelly-home | This program is not installed setuid root - "user" CIFS mounts not supported. |
| 23:14.46 | f0x90 | works for me |
| 23:14.53 | jelly-home | oh noes, real path UNCOVERED |
| 23:15.02 | ziumnou | hello. is this page still valid to get the latest firefox version http://mozilla.debian.net/ ? |
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| 23:15.39 | jelly-home | well it works at work, where it's important |
| 23:15.52 | Gargantua | Why does apt give me warnings about everything I try to get? "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 23:15.59 | scientes | ziumnou, correct |
| 23:16.17 | scientes | Gargantua, generally means you need to run apt-get update |
| 23:16.34 | scientes | Gargantua, but could also mean you have third-part sources in your sources.list |
| 23:16.36 | Gargantua | scientes: let's hope so. |
| 23:16.39 | scientes | !secureapt |
| 23:16.56 | scientes | Gargantua, http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 23:16.58 | Gargantua | I don't. |
| 23:17.34 | Gargantua | I have deb security, deb stable, and deb squeeze lines. |
| 23:17.39 | ziumnou | then it is definetly me doing it wrong; i do have both the sources in /etc/apt/sources.list and i run apt-get -t squeeze-backports iceweasel, still it does not install the latest version, though |
| 23:17.40 | f0x90 | ok so i dont have a menu.lst |
| 23:17.41 | jelly-home | Gargantua: can you show the full output of an apt run? |
| 23:17.47 | jelly-home | f0x90: no, you don't |
| 23:17.50 | f0x90 | where do i edit the boot entries |
| 23:18.20 | jelly-home | f0x90: /etc/default/grub and use update-grub... have you read the docs people pointed you to a while ago? |
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| 23:18.28 | f0x90 | yes |
| 23:18.31 | f0x90 | im looking at them |
| 23:18.38 | jelly-home | not look, READ |
| 23:19.09 | f0x90 | ok but i don't understand this file |
| 23:19.14 | f0x90 | it seems like its almost missing something |
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| 23:19.28 | f0x90 | because my list has 6 entries, 2 are i686 which dont work |
| 23:19.32 | f0x90 | 2 are windows |
| 23:19.36 | jelly-home | /boot/grub/grub.cfg is generated using settings from /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and contents of /boot |
| 23:19.38 | f0x90 | 2 are amd which work |
| 23:20.01 | f0x90 | well im looking at /etc/default/grub |
| 23:20.01 | jelly-home | and output of os-prober tool which looks for other installations |
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| 23:20.21 | f0x90 | i want to remove the first two entries but i cant find them |
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| 23:21.00 | f0x90 | i guess i could delete the initrd images |
| 23:21.17 | Gargantua | jelly-home: http://bpaste.net/show/37667/ |
| 23:21.23 | jelly-home | f0x90: pastebin the output of /usr/sbin/update-grub |
| 23:21.59 | jelly-home | ,v libgmime-2.0-2a |
| 23:22.00 | judd | Package: libgmime-2.0-2a on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.22-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 2.2.22-2+lenny2; squeeze: 2.2.25-2 |
| 23:22.53 | jelly-home | Gargantua: eh, seeing as you've already installed random packages without care, you might as well install debian-archive-keyring that way |
| 23:23.10 | ziumnou | scientes: latest stable iceweasel version == latest stable firefox version? |
| 23:23.13 | Gargantua | What does that do? |
| 23:23.19 | f0x90 | getting a few timeouts from these sites |
| 23:23.26 | f0x90 | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/01tBThS2 |
| 23:23.35 | HelenaB | :3 |
| 23:23.36 | jelly-home | Gargantua: it installs proper authentication keys to verify a valid debian mirror repo |
| 23:23.48 | Gargantua | ok |
| 23:23.50 | scientes | ziumnou, wheezy uses firefox esr, experimental has release, mozilla.debian.net has beta and aurora |
| 23:24.00 | Gargantua | jelly-home: already the newest version |
| 23:24.18 | jelly-home | Gargantua: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file please |
| 23:24.30 | scientes | ziumnou, the versions numbers are the same |
| 23:24.34 | jelly-home | Gargantua: also, the whole output of an "apt-get update" run |
| 23:25.45 | jelly-home | f0x90: also remove the linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-bigmem package now that you deleted some of its files |
| 23:26.10 | Gargantua | jelly-home: sure, it takes a while for it to load, so give me a few minutes. |
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| 23:26.35 | jelly-home | f0x90: next time, look at which package brings a file you don't need instead of just rm'ing it -- dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz* |
| 23:26.40 | ziumnou | scientes: then this should work (though it is Squeeze)? http://pastie.org/private/pqteitiwyvfoxi1rz7qpvw |
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| 23:27.13 | scientes | ziumnou, yes, its built for squeeze |
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| 23:28.33 | ziumnou | scientes: i am not running a "clean" Squeeze (some cross-deb installations), but still apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel should fetch it, right? |
| 23:28.42 | scientes | correct |
| 23:28.50 | wjcw | hi why doesn't the terminus gtk theme draw correctly on an install of debian wheezy? |
| 23:28.54 | ziumnou | that's odd |
| 23:29.06 | Gargantua | wjcw: screenshot? |
| 23:29.11 | scientes | -t squeeze-backports means use that repo |
| 23:29.15 | ziumnou | i'm not getting 14.xxx |
| 23:29.17 | scientes | **release |
| 23:29.31 | scientes | then try apt-get install -t squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 23:29.33 | scientes | or something like that |
| 23:29.34 | wjcw | sure give me a second |
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| 23:30.05 | ziumnou | scientes: "E: Unable to locate package iceweasel-release " |
| 23:30.26 | scientes | ziumnou, you can also download binaries from ftp.mozilla.org, which will auto-update themselves, but 1. those are user-wide install, 2. external scheme stuff is broken |
| 23:30.40 | scientes | ziumnou, -t squeeze-backports iceweasel/squeeze-backports |
| 23:30.43 | scientes | maybe |
| 23:30.49 | ziumnou | scientes: "external scheme stuff"? |
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| 23:30.57 | scientes | like irc:// or telnet:// |
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| 23:31.22 | ziumnou | strange |
| 23:31.32 | scientes | its b/c libnotify issues with binary compat |
| 23:31.35 | scientes | as those are binary builds |
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| 23:31.48 | jelly-home | falls over |
| 23:31.57 | ziumnou | for the last command: "E: Release 'squeeze-backports' for 'iceweasel' was not found " |
| 23:32.32 | ziumnou | i have put those repos in sources.list and i've run "apt-get update" |
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| 23:33.37 | scientes | did you import the mozilla-archive-keyring? |
| 23:33.44 | scientes | as is detailed on that page? |
| 23:33.57 | scientes | *pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring |
| 23:34.29 | ziumnou | scientes: whoops, no |
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| 23:36.46 | f0x90 | dist-upgrade time |
| 23:38.30 | wjcw | Gargantua: actually i think i'm just missing the pixmap engine |
| 23:38.35 | wjcw | not sure what pkg has that in testing |
| 23:38.48 | ziumnou | scientes: it's been a while that i installed any keys, just gpg --import filename? |
| 23:39.00 | ziumnou | ziumnou: sorry, that's not debian question |
| 23:39.01 | scientes | it has instructions |
| 23:39.26 | scientes | you need to import to apt keyring, not your personal keyring too |
| 23:39.26 | ziumnou | scientes: it just says "install it" and "check if it worked", not how |
| 23:39.33 | scientes | but there are instructions at mozilla.debian.net |
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| 23:40.42 | Gargantua | Hey, what's a good gnome-panel mail notifier? just for the local spool. |
| 23:40.50 | Gargantua | (I ask here because I can't find anything on apt) |
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| 23:41.19 | scientes | Gargantua, idk, upstream has deprecated gnome-panel |
| 23:42.01 | onymous | is there an official process for upgrading from squeeze to wheezy? or can i just dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:42.16 | scientes | !squeeze2wheezy |
| 23:42.25 | boudiccas | ,v gnome_applets |
| 23:42.26 | scientes | hmm i guess this is freenode |
| 23:42.27 | judd | No package named 'gnome_applets' was found in i386. |
| 23:42.35 | Gargantua | I'm on squeeze, though. |
| 23:42.50 | onymous | scientes: that's a mighty-fancy macro, what would it normally pull up? |
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| 23:43.15 | Gargantua | I already have gnome-applets. |
| 23:43.32 | wjcw | gtk2-engines-pixbuf |
| 23:43.37 | scientes | onymous, just go to irc://irc.oftc.net/debian-next |
| 23:43.52 | onymous | ugh |
| 23:43.56 | onymous | I don't wanna :( |
| 23:43.59 | onymous | fine then |
| 23:44.05 | scientes | i gave you a real link which makes it easy |
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| 23:44.23 | onymous | scientes: what's their ssl port? |
| 23:44.26 | abrotman | onymous: you don't have to if you don't want to |
| 23:44.37 | onymous | heh |
| 23:44.39 | abrotman | onymous: !tell onymous about squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:44.53 | abrotman | scientes: how is that a real link ? |
| 23:45.04 | onymous | and why would it work in irssi ? |
| 23:45.10 | onymous | irssi in screen in tmux |
| 23:45.15 | onymous | over ssh |
| 23:45.19 | scientes | oh |
| 23:45.21 | abrotman | onymous: see what the bot told you |
| 23:45.24 | scientes | well it still is a proper link |
| 23:45.25 | abrotman | scientes: not everyone uses xchat |
| 23:45.37 | onymous | abrotman: I haven't received anything |
| 23:45.38 | abrotman | scientes: it doesn't work in my browser |
| 23:45.45 | onymous | !tell onymous about squeeze->wheezy |
| 23:45.45 | abrotman | onymous: ugh .. sorry |
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| 23:45.55 | scientes | abrotman, it works in firefox and chromium |
| 23:46.01 | onymous | okay cool |
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| 23:46.04 | scientes | if your os is setup right |
| 23:46.33 | abrotman | unnecessary |
| 23:46.37 | onymous | ^ |
| 23:46.48 | abrotman | it wasn' tlike he asked a hard question |
| 23:47.07 | abrotman | especially since there is no "official" method |
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| 23:48.56 | onymous | abrotman: so I basically need to change the repository datum URLs in sources.list then do an update and then a dist-upgrade? |
| 23:48.59 | onymous | hmm |
| 23:49.09 | onymous | perhaps sometime they could condense this into a single command, considering how simple it is |
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| 23:49.26 | scientes | debian isn't ubuntu |
| 23:49.53 | ziumnou | scientes: i get "2 signatures not checked due to missing keys"; the key is there, though |
| 23:49.58 | onymous | is your last name sherlock? |
| 23:50.07 | scientes | ziumnou, probably not in the apt keyring |
| 23:50.11 | abrotman | onymous: be aware that things may break, not all the bugs are fleshed out yet |
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| 23:50.26 | ziumnou | it's in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
| 23:50.49 | ziumnou | do i have to run "apt-get update" just to add it? let me see.. |
| 23:51.20 | onymous | abrotman: on a system that has packages which basically never change (a MTA, a mail client, an XMPP client, an IRC client, screen, sshd and perhaps a couple other things) I don't reckon there's much chance that these have picked up bugs |
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| 23:51.32 | onymous | especially considering how quickly it would piss off developers if they were broken |
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| 23:51.53 | scientes | onymous, also few reasons to need to upgrade... |
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| 23:52.14 | scientes | (although ssh w/ seccomp in 3.5 would be cool) |
| 23:52.18 | ziumnou | scientes: nope, still 2 signatures unchecked, plus: "invalid packet (ctb=2d)" |
| 23:52.19 | scientes | and ssh 6.0 supports that |
| 23:52.34 | scientes | ziumnou, well idk |
| 23:52.57 | abrotman | ziumnou: use a pastebin please |
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| 23:53.30 | sioux_ | hi i want boot rdeskop directly. How can build small image with rdesktop, and this autostart? |
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| 23:53.56 | sioux_ | i have a dhcp server working.. |
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| 23:54.06 | ziumnou | scientes: ok, i have a different problem, maybe (i do not think so) this causes some trouble here, too: http://pastie.org/private/kc6tszldouufqjgb8vc7xg |
| 23:54.21 | ziumnou | abrotman: you always have to specify, *what* exaclty to paste ;) http://pastie.org/private/kc6tszldouufqjgb8vc7xg |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | likes that people paste "private" pastes into a public channel |
| 23:54.34 | onymous | scientes: I just don't like the idea of my server falling into oldstable then out of oldstable assuming I'm in a prison or stranded on an island |
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| 23:55.37 | ziumnou | arrgh, http://pastie.org/4362147 better? |
| 23:55.43 | scientes | ziumnou, did you install Old McDonald or something? |
| 23:55.48 | ziumnou | ? |
| 23:55.55 | scientes | e.i.e.i.o. |
| 23:56.10 | ziumnou | it's a bunch of emacs packets |
| 23:56.14 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:56.22 | abrotman | ziumnou: this is squeeze? |
| 23:56.27 | ziumnou | abrotman: yup |
| 23:56.33 | onymous | abrotman: I'm guessing I can remove the squeeze-updates (I tried wheezy-updates) lines, the files don't exist anyway |
| 23:56.44 | onymous | and there's wheezy/updates |
| 23:56.45 | abrotman | onymous: sure |
| 23:56.49 | ziumnou | abrotman: and i'm not willing/able to update just to get the latest firefox, sorry |
| 23:56.58 | onymous | thanks |
| 23:57.00 | abrotman | onymous: those are different, one is security, one is updates |
| 23:57.08 | onymous | ahh |
| 23:57.08 | abrotman | ziumnou: i didn't say anything about firefox ? |
| 23:57.08 | scientes | ziumnou, if its just one user then you can use ftp.mozilla.org |
| 23:57.17 | onymous | so what should be done about them? |
| 23:57.34 | onymous | (and wow, what a funny way to differentiate normal updates and security updates) |
| 23:57.40 | abrotman | onymous: comment out the one that doesn't exist |
| 23:57.42 | ziumnou | scientes: i'd love not having to install it for every (new) user |
| 23:57.51 | abrotman | ziumnou: what are you trying to do ? |
| 23:58.01 | ziumnou | abrotman: install latest firefox system-wide |
| 23:58.20 | abrotman | ziumnou: what does that have ot do with eieio ? |
| 23:58.23 | ziumnou | abrotman: with max functionality (so no scheme disfunctionality mess) |
| 23:58.45 | ziumnou | abrotman: nothing, i *did say* that i expect it to have no influence here |
| 23:59.08 | abrotman | ziumnou: okay, so check the bts for eieio, fix that problem first |
