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| 00:00.25 | ziumnou | abrotman: some more to read for you: http://pastie.org/4362175 |
| 00:00.33 | abrotman | ziumnou: dpkg -l "emacs*" .. paste it |
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| 00:01.50 | ziumnou | abrotman: http://pastie.org/4362179 the multi-version "clutter" is intended |
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| 00:03.46 | abrotman | ziumnou: do you need eieio ? |
| 00:04.42 | ziumnou | abrotman: yes (plus ede, semantic and cogre) - all not working yet, though |
| 00:05.06 | ziumnou | so "need" = "i really would like to have it" |
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| 00:06.31 | abrotman | ziumnou: let's try to remove them so you can get newer IW installed first |
| 00:06.57 | ziumnou | oh, and: this is what i get for "apt-get install xxxxx" http://pastie.org/4362199 as soon as anything in /var/lib/apt/lists/ is removed installations (seem to) work (bloody cruel hack, i know) |
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| 00:07.33 | abrotman | ziumnou: paste the output of 'dpkg -P eieio' |
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| 00:09.41 | ziumnou | abrotman: http://pastie.org/4362213 |
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| 00:11.59 | abrotman | ziumnou: so it removed it ? |
| 00:12.10 | ziumnou | now the eieio warnings are gone, seems so, yes |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | ziumnou: apt-get -f install |
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| 00:13.02 | BronzeEagle | I installed debian sqeeze 6.0.5 amd64 - my graphics card is a galaxy geforce gt 240 - as my computer boots up it displays the bios message(s) on both screens but when gdm loads the VGA1 monitor goes off and doesn't display with xrandr, any ideas? |
| 00:13.38 | ziumnou | eieio is not available as package (anymore?), but "apt-get -f install cedet-cogre" says "... already the newest version.", strange |
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| 00:14.08 | abrotman | ziumnou: is it running some package installatoins/removals? |
| 00:14.15 | ziumnou | abrotman: no |
| 00:14.35 | abrotman | ziumnou: okay, so you're going to install iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net ? |
| 00:15.05 | ziumnou | abrotman: i would rather not |
| 00:15.18 | ziumnou | abrotman: i still have no clue about this http://pastie.org/4362175 |
| 00:15.51 | abrotman | ziumnou: what is that from ? |
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| 00:16.07 | abrotman | ziumnou: apt-key --list ... I think that's right |
| 00:16.23 | TomM2 | My debian RPi keeps shutting down? |
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| 00:16.35 | ziumnou | BronzeEagle: maybe this helps, i do not know http://pastie.org/4362246 |
| 00:17.05 | gnarface | anyone got off the top of their head some common reasons why munin might be silently ignoring a plugin that appears to behave properly when run manually? |
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| 00:17.28 | sney | !ops |
| 00:17.28 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 00:17.33 | sney | !ops all of that stuff |
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| 00:17.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: all of that stuff |
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| 00:17.41 | abrotman | or that |
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| 00:17.49 | *** mode/#debian [-m] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:17.55 | scientes | holy shit |
| 00:18.08 | dvs | they're getting smarter |
| 00:18.14 | sney | what madness |
| 00:18.17 | onymous | :( |
| 00:18.19 | ziumnou | abrotman: http://pastie.org/4362258 |
| 00:18.20 | abrotman | are they? |
| 00:18.42 | onymous | what's wrong with titty milk? |
| 00:18.48 | BronzeEagle | ziumnou: that /would/ help if VGA1 was actually showing up |
| 00:18.54 | dondelelcaro | if you need to discuss the spammers, do it elsewhere. |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | ziumnou: why not install debian-keyring ? |
| 00:19.24 | abrotman | thinks that has the correct key |
| 00:19.32 | abrotman | ziumnou: remove the key that is not working |
| 00:19.39 | ziumnou | just though: "What the ugly heck is that?" when looking at #debian |
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| 00:20.22 | ziumnou | abrotman: i took this http://mozilla.debian.net/archive.asc and stuffed it in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ |
| 00:20.49 | bburhans | dondelelcaro: +r might be more effective than +i here; you've locked everybody, not just bots, out right now. |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | ziumnou: http://mozilla.debian.net/pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring_1.0_all.deb |
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| 00:23.05 | ziumnou | abrotman: i already did install that (according to http://mozilla.debian.net/) |
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| 00:23.59 | isoman2kx | does debian have a recycle bin, or once you delete it? it's officially gone? |
| 00:24.40 | ziumnou | abrotman: 'dpkg i pkg-mozilla-archive-keyring_1.0_all.deb' - something wrong with that maybe? |
| 00:25.15 | dvs | ziumnou: yeah, no dash in front of the "i" |
| 00:25.17 | ziumnou | isoman2kx: semi-officially gone, yes (if you do not want to scrape your harddrive for it) |
| 00:25.28 | isoman2kx | good, ok :) |
| 00:25.41 | isoman2kx | just checking. network connection share to debian via samba keeps bitching I'm out of space |
| 00:25.42 | isoman2kx | and I'm not |
| 00:25.42 | isoman2kx | lol |
| 00:25.44 | ziumnou | isoman2kx: not "good" in your case, i guess ;) |
| 00:25.49 | isoman2kx | nah good :p |
| 00:25.58 | abrotman | ziumnou: okay .. so apt-get update throws that error ? |
| 00:26.20 | ziumnou | abrotman: no, look line #1 here http://pastie.org/4362258 |
| 00:26.54 | ziumnou | first two lines, sorry |
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| 00:28.10 | ziumnou | dvs: of course i did *not* forget the - when running it, sorry ;) |
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| 00:32.11 | funkadelic | My ssh server is connected to the wifi network automatically using wicd, but I can't ssh into it. ifconfig shows its IP address, and I can ping google from the ssh server |
| 00:32.23 | r3m | What is the difference between iceweasel and icecat please |
| 00:32.28 | ziumnou | situation still shadey, still 2 signatures failing, i got no clue now |
| 00:32.35 | abrotman | r3m: apt-cache show iceweasel;apt-cache show icecat |
| 00:32.43 | r3m | merci |
| 00:33.02 | funkadelic | It has worked once on this wifi network, when I first connected to wifi while I was still connected to the same network via ethernet. So I don't know if the wifi actually worked, or if it was just using ethernet |
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| 00:33.14 | bin_bash | hi. what is the openssl-dev package called in debin |
| 00:33.27 | abrotman | bin_bash: libssl-dev ? |
| 00:33.42 | bin_bash | i guess |
| 00:33.52 | bin_bash | is there a package I can install to search the repos? |
| 00:34.17 | funkadelic | apt-cache |
| 00:34.27 | funkadelic | do apt-cache search (search terms here) |
| 00:34.42 | bin_bash | E: Unable to locate package apt-cache |
| 00:35.07 | funkadelic | are you using apt-get to try to install it? |
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| 00:35.18 | bin_bash | yeah what else would i use? |
| 00:35.26 | funkadelic | you could be using aptitude |
| 00:35.27 | sney | apt-cache is part of apt, it's already installed |
| 00:35.32 | funkadelic | ^ |
| 00:36.21 | bin_bash | is there a way to make apt colored |
| 00:36.22 | bin_bash | like pacman |
| 00:37.13 | funkadelic | r3m: according to my searching, Icecat is the new name for Iceweasel |
| 00:37.30 | r3m | funkadelic: thanks a lot |
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| 00:39.50 | ziumnou | abrotman: i have put the key in the right place, i have installed debian-keyring, but still 2 signatures are failing; i think it is a unrelated signature, though, because as soon as i remove the mozilla key i still get one signature failing; so i think the mozilla key is working (the other key should not cause any trouble, it is just unchecked) |
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| 00:40.25 | ziumnou | abrotman: still installing iceweasel does not work, though (it keeps saying that the latest version is already installed, which is not true) |
| 00:40.34 | bin_bash | is there? cuz i'd like a colored package manager |
| 00:42.04 | ziumnou | bin_bash: 1) no 2) you can use http://pygments.org/docs/cmdline/ , set up your own highlighting scheme and pipe your apt related stdout through it everytime |
| 00:42.17 | bin_bash | wow that is just way too much effort |
| 00:42.18 | bin_bash | thanks anyway |
| 00:43.00 | funkadelic | My ssh server is connected to the wifi network automatically using wicd, but I can't ssh into it. ifconfig shows its IP address, and I can ping google from the ssh server. I have iptables turned off. Any other things I could to to get this to work? |
| 00:43.19 | funkadelic | any other things I could do* |
| 00:43.26 | abrotman | ziumnou: did you use the -t option like the website says? |
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| 00:43.42 | fabiobik | how to remove the desktop enviroment entirely |
| 00:43.44 | ziumnou | abrotman: sure |
| 00:43.45 | gnarface | funkadelic: did you try ssh -v? |
| 00:44.04 | bin_bash | hey guys |
| 00:44.05 | bin_bash | how come |
| 00:44.08 | bin_bash | after I installed gcc |
| 00:44.10 | funkadelic | from the client? unfortunately the client is running windows. I'm using kitty ssh client |
| 00:44.20 | bin_bash | I still get this error ./configure: line 6693: make: command not found |
| 00:44.32 | funkadelic | Network error: Connection timed out is what Kitty gives me |
| 00:44.37 | ziumnou | fabiobik: remove X startup from your boot routine |
| 00:45.11 | ziumnou | bin_bash: what does line 6693 look like? |
| 00:45.16 | isoman2kx | what the ****! |
| 00:45.21 | isoman2kx | the DISK IS NOT FULL |
| 00:45.22 | ziumnou | fabiobik: do you have make installed? |
| 00:45.23 | bin_bash | fuck if I know. I just ran ./Config |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | ziumnou: what does `aptitude -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel |
| 00:45.26 | isoman2kx | I HAVE 500 GIGS ON MY DEBIAN SERVER |
| 00:45.27 | dvs | bin_bash: apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:45.29 | isoman2kx | I can't stop yelling! |
| 00:45.36 | fabiobik | ziumnou, yes |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | isoman2kx: a file might still be open |
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| 00:45.51 | Jef91 | what is the best way to see a list of all the packages installed on my system via the CLI? |
| 00:45.56 | bin_bash | I wish apt was prettier, tbh |
| 00:46.05 | bin_bash | I wish I could use pacman on debian. |
| 00:46.13 | gnarface | Jef91: dpkg -l |
| 00:46.28 | funkadelic | gnarface: what's strange is that I can connect to the internet from the ssh server, and the ssh server can ssh into itself (localhost), but I can't ssh into the server from my laptop |
| 00:46.43 | isoman2kx | ! Write error in the file sink-seinfeld.s09e06.avi. Probably the disk is full |
| 00:46.43 | dpkg | isoman2kx: that's too long |
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| 00:46.50 | ziumnou | isoman2kx: what is consuming the space? du -sh / gives a rough estimate ... |
| 00:46.53 | gnarface | funkadelic: well, traceroute is what i'd try next. windows has one of those right? |
| 00:47.07 | funkadelic | I think it does, lemme see |
| 00:47.13 | gnarface | funkadelic: you're not trying to ssh as root are you? |
| 00:47.33 | funkadelic | I'm sshing into localhost on the server as root |
| 00:47.45 | funkadelic | I'll try it as a regular user |
| 00:47.53 | ziumnou | slabs funkadelic for root sshing |
| 00:47.58 | funkadelic | :P |
| 00:47.59 | gnarface | funkadelic: sshing in remotely as root might be disabled by default |
| 00:48.13 | ziumnou | and that is a good thing |
| 00:48.18 | abrotman | ziumnou: run that command yet? |
| 00:48.27 | ziumnou | abrotman: what? oh! |
| 00:48.34 | funkadelic | I just tried connecting as my regular user, and that's not working |
| 00:48.46 | funkadelic | Network error: Connection timed out |
| 00:49.05 | gnarface | funkadelic: yea i guess its time to traceroute .... you gotta figure out where the traffic is getting stopped |
| 00:49.23 | ziumnou | abrotman: "Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 113 MB will be freed." i hit n since i do not want them to be gone; so: no, doesn't work |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | ziumnou: dpkg -l iceweasel |
| 00:50.29 | abrotman | what version is installed ? |
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| 00:50.52 | ziumnou | abrotman: 5.0-3~bpo60+1 |
| 00:51.08 | abrotman | ziumnou: paste 'apt-cache policy iceweasel |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | ziumnou: paste 'apt-cache policy iceweasel' |
| 00:51.16 | funkadelic | This traceroute is taking forever... |
| 00:51.32 | funkadelic | I don't know if it's even doing anything |
| 00:51.33 | BronzeEagle | nevermind I figured it out |
| 00:51.40 | ziumnou | abrotman: http://pastie.org/4362405 |
| 00:52.10 | BronzeEagle | I had to install nvidia kernel source and run the nvidia fireware and restart |
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| 00:52.28 | abrotman | ziumnou: pastebin your sources.list and the output of "aptitude update;apt-get update" |
| 00:53.18 | Sazpaimon | i swear to god I'm going to kill the person who decided it was a good idea to put xoff right next to detach in screen |
| 00:53.42 | funkadelic | gnarface: I doubt it's doing anything |
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| 00:54.31 | funkadelic | when I try tracert google.com, I get this immediately: |
| 00:54.32 | funkadelic | My ssh server is connected to the wifi network automatically using wicd, but I can't ssh into it. ifconfig shows its IP address, and I can ping google from the ssh server |
| 00:54.40 | funkadelic | wrong paste... |
| 00:54.48 | funkadelic | Tracing route to google.com [74.125.225.130] |
| 00:54.49 | funkadelic | over a maximum of 30 hops: |
| 00:54.52 | funkadelic | that^ |
| 00:55.29 | gnarface | funkadelic: try to traceroute to the ssh server from the client machine you're trying to access |
| 00:55.53 | funkadelic | I just did gnarface |
| 00:55.59 | Diopter | funkadelic: Try passing the -n switch to traceroute |
| 00:56.20 | funkadelic | the client is windows Diopter |
| 00:56.21 | gnarface | Diopter: he's using the windows version :-/ |
| 00:56.32 | ziumnou | abrotman: you can slap me in the face for having all those lenny repos there, if you like http://pastie.org/4362434 but they should not affect the iceweasel issue in my eyes |
| 00:56.43 | Diopter | funkadelic: Then pass /n to tracert |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | can't use squeeze backports on lenny ... |
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| 00:57.02 | funkadelic | I just did ctrl c on the windows cmd tracert, and it gave me some stuff |
| 00:57.23 | abrotman | ziumnou: the system can't satisfy the *squeeze* dependencies for the *squeeze-backports* |
| 00:57.27 | funkadelic | It just said the ip address reports: destination host unreachable |
| 00:57.30 | funkadelic | I'll do /n |
| 00:57.59 | ziumnou | abrotman: oh boy, but it makes sense, you are right; well, the official comment on the issue is "Sorry, this version is not available." |
| 00:58.05 | ziumnou | abrotman: no can do |
| 00:58.31 | ziumnou | abrotman: boy, this shouldn't have been so hard to figure out for me in the first place |
| 00:58.47 | funkadelic | Diopter gnarface: I tried using /n and I got this: http://pastebin.com/xpPHdS23 |
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| 00:59.01 | funkadelic | It's not an option, but it gives me the available options, in that pastebin |
| 00:59.05 | gnarface | funkadelic: -d |
| 00:59.19 | Diopter | ^ |
| 00:59.42 | ziumnou | 1) abrotman: there is no backports-backports hack or something, right? 2) the only option now is to install the release version from ftp.mozilla.org on a per-user basis, am i right? |
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| 01:00.05 | funkadelic | http://pastebin.com/yZ44HM78 It gave me this |
| 01:00.08 | abrotman | ziumnou: you oculd try to backport it to lenny, but i vaguely recall there was an issue with that |
| 01:00.15 | abrotman | ziumnou: why are you stuill using lenny ? |
| 01:01.04 | Gargantua | jelly-home: remember me? |
| 01:01.37 | ziumnou | abrotman: this particular machine is totally messed up, it is in fact running a mix of lenny/squeeze/sid; it is no production machine, so it i "OK" (still very annoying) |
| 01:01.46 | Diopter | funkadelic: Looks like your routing is wrong. |
| 01:01.52 | gnarface | funkadelic: so its pretty self explanatory. |
| 01:02.03 | gnarface | funkadelic: its unlikely your problem is with ssh |
| 01:02.08 | ziumnou | abrotman: but upgrading it is more hassle than just clone the package list, copy over the user files and set up a fresh sqeeeze drive |
| 01:02.30 | funkadelic | What does this mean then? |
| 01:02.32 | ziumnou | abrotman: which still takes up hours, though |
| 01:02.42 | funkadelic | iptables -L is empty. What else could I check? |
| 01:02.53 | ziumnou | funkadelic: NAT issues? |
| 01:02.59 | gnarface | funkadelic: it means the network between you and the server is improperly configured, broken, or purposefully blocking you. if you own the network maybe you can fix it. |
| 01:03.21 | funkadelic | I have access to the wifi management menu |
| 01:03.42 | gnarface | funkadelic: is this server on the same lan with the client, local? |
| 01:04.06 | funkadelic | Yes, both the client and the server are on the same wifi network |
| 01:04.09 | funkadelic | both connected via wifi |
| 01:04.27 | gnarface | so the problem then is likely with your wifi config |
| 01:04.39 | gnarface | the physical wifi router |
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| 01:05.04 | funkadelic | I was able to connect from the client to the server once and only once, right when I connected the server to the wifi network. But the server was connected to the network via ethernet AND wifi at the same time, so maybe it was just ethernet that worked |
| 01:05.23 | gnarface | well that's easy to test |
| 01:08.22 | funkadelic | gnarface Diopter: I just connected it via ethernet again, and I can ssh into it now |
| 01:08.27 | funkadelic | using the same ip address |
| 01:09.07 | gnarface | funkadelic: so, unless the wifi hardware router you're using is running debian itself, unfortuately all i can advise at this point is you read its documentation. |
| 01:09.27 | gnarface | funkadelic: maybe it blocks traffic between client wifi devices for security? |
| 01:09.42 | gnarface | maybe you can fix it |
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| 01:10.02 | funkadelic | I can ssh into another ssh server connected via wifi |
| 01:10.44 | gnarface | funkadelic: that doesn't give me any extra ideas, sorry |
| 01:11.24 | gnarface | funkadelic: you really should check that wifi devices' settings and docs though |
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| 01:11.43 | funkadelic | the usb wifi adapter for the server, or the wifi router? |
| 01:11.52 | gnarface | funkadelic: the wifi router |
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| 01:12.36 | gnarface | funkadelic: these are all the same band of wireless card right? you're not mixing in B with newer stuff are you? |
| 01:12.49 | Gargantua | Is there something wrong with this? http://gargantua.codelove.org/sources.list |
| 01:12.56 | funkadelic | I don't know, how could I check? |
| 01:13.38 | gnarface | funkadelic: well ideally you'd have bought them knowing this ahead of time but the wifi router probably lists them all while connected |
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| 01:13.39 | ziumnou | abrotman: is this a sane setup: put the binary relase firefox directory somewhere (what would be a good place?), then put a symlink in /usr/bin/share so that every user can access it? |
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| 01:14.31 | funkadelic | I have the models of the wifi adapters |
| 01:14.52 | funkadelic | do wifi adapters always use the latest connection type? |
| 01:15.08 | gnarface | no |
| 01:15.28 | gnarface | but the internet will tell you which bands your devices support |
| 01:16.11 | gnarface | it shouldn't be a problem really that would cause something like this, but i'm mentioning it because some cheaper/buggier wifi routers can have problems |
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| 01:18.07 | funkadelic | the wifi router shows the computer name for the 2 other computers connected to the network, but not the ssh server I'm trying to access |
| 01:18.21 | djshotglass | i have a couple custom dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf for accessing tlds that dont exist problem is they dont work unless they are before the real dns servers which seems to slow down normal dns of .com etc |
| 01:18.32 | abrotman | ziumnou: let me read backscroll, moment |
| 01:18.32 | djshotglass | does the first have to fail before the second is tried? |
| 01:18.37 | funkadelic | It just says <unknown> for the devices name |
| 01:19.27 | ziumnou | abrotman: single-user constraint, i know, scientes already clearly stated that |
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| 01:19.35 | abrotman | ziumnou: if it were up to me, i'd go to squeeze |
| 01:19.56 | ziumnou | abrotman: not possible at the moment |
| 01:20.23 | abrotman | it's not? |
| 01:20.33 | dvs | even without support? |
| 01:20.48 | ziumnou | zarac: woooaaa, firefox is messing upt the mult-head setup, it is constantly visible on one monitor in all workspaces... |
| 01:20.59 | ziumnou | abrotman: mostly laziness + no time |
| 01:21.06 | funkadelic | Yay, I figured out a workaround. I forwarded port 22 to the ssh server, and I can connect to the ssh server now using my external ip address |
| 01:21.25 | ziumnou | abrotman: (though i have the time to fiddle around with this firefox problem for so long, don't tell me) |
| 01:21.39 | funkadelic | but is that inefficient, using the external ip address instead of the internal ip? |
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| 01:23.51 | un214 | How do I switch X from nvidia to vesa (for diagnostic reasons)? |
| 01:25.49 | ectospasm | vesa isn't an X server |
| 01:26.02 | ectospasm | ...unless something has changed when I wasn't looking |
| 01:26.56 | un214 | X can use either driver |
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| 01:29.06 | scientes | un214, you have to stop X, and then rmmod nvidia |
| 01:29.12 | ziumnou | abrotman: thanks for your patient help! |
| 01:29.32 | un214 | uhh I need the setting to persist across reboot |
| 01:29.41 | abrotman | ziumnou: i'd really recommend setting aside an hour or two to do that dist-upgrdae to squeeze when you have time |
| 01:29.45 | abrotman | ziumnou: good luck! |
| 01:29.53 | scientes | un214, if you blacklist nvidia you will end up with nouveau, which is very difficult to disable with rebooting |
| 01:29.58 | abrotman | un214: create an xorg.conf |
| 01:30.15 | un214 | scientes: I have removed nouveau from this sytem |
| 01:30.19 | un214 | gross incompatiblity |
| 01:30.40 | un214 | abrotman: I believe scientes is correct because I do need to unload the kernel driver as well |
| 01:31.17 | scientes | its easy to remove nvidia after stopping X from a tty |
| 01:31.30 | scientes | b/c it doesn't support KMS |
| 01:31.34 | un214 | right |
| 01:31.41 | scientes | the KMS modules are much more difficult to remove while booted |
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| 01:31.46 | un214 | KMS is why I had to remove nouveau |
| 01:33.21 | un214 | accessability failure if anybody is curious |
| 01:33.22 | ziumnou | abrotman: the problem is that for an upgrade, i have to backup so much that it will take another few hours and as soon as this backup is done, i will definetly be redy to set up a new debian from scratch - by the way: if i create a selectionfile on the old system (the lenny/squeeze/sid one) and apply it on the new one, the new one will be messed-up, too, right? is there a way to prevent this? |
| 01:34.39 | ziumnou | aravind: leaving aside the fact that /etc will probably need manual tweaking on the new system (+ /var/www + /root etc.) |
| 01:35.07 | ziumnou | it is not a server, though, so not much in www etc. |
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| 01:36.20 | abrotman | ziumnou: selection file ? |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | you mean your list of packges? |
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| 01:36.44 | un214 | grrr |
| 01:36.58 | un214 | every time I blacklist something I find out blacklist doesn't work and I have do do "alias modulename off" instead |
| 01:37.27 | ziumnou | abrotman: yes, the list of packages (can't remember the official name) |
| 01:38.48 | abrotman | !tell ziumnou about aptitude clone |
| 01:38.56 | dvs | ziumnou: There is no guarantee that packages in the old version will be in the new version |
| 01:38.58 | abrotman | ziumnou: shuld be okay, it'll install what it can |
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| 01:41.12 | ziumnou | abrotman: it won't fetch lenny packages as long as i keep sources.list clean, right? |
| 01:41.59 | ziumnou | dvs: so all the lenny packages on the old system (lenny/squeeze/sid mess) will be missing on the new one (squeeze)? |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | ziumnou: no, some of them may be |
| 01:42.38 | dvs | ziumnou: no, it's the other way around. Some packages will be missing but most of them should be there. |
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| 01:43.33 | ziumnou | so it actually possbile to clone the old lenny/squeeze system to a clean new squeeze one? |
| 01:44.01 | dvs | ziumnou: Clone? No, it won't be an exact copy. |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | mmm Dolly |
| 01:44.31 | ziumnou | package-wise (coping all the ~s etc. has to be done manually) |
| 01:44.47 | ziumnou | abrotman: Dolly's dead, isn't it? |
| 01:44.57 | plytheman | quick question: first time installing debian and partitioning my disks. I only want to partition one hard drive, but in the list of disks and partitions before finishing both are listed. I only selected my small HDD, will my second HDD be partitioned because it's in teh list as well? |
| 01:45.07 | dvs | ziumnou: an exact squeeze to squeeze, yes. A lenny to squeeze, no. |
| 01:45.28 | ziumnou | so it won't work? |
| 01:46.11 | dvs | ziumnou: as we said before, it won't be an exact copy. It can't be. There will be packages missing. |
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| 01:46.37 | un214 | nvida sucks |
| 01:46.51 | un214 | 1) hiberhate with nvidia is currently broken in wheezy |
| 01:46.57 | un214 | 2) vesa is much snappier |
| 01:47.10 | ziumnou | dvs: sure, but since the old one is mainly lenny a lot of packages will be missing on the new one or is this a misconception? |
| 01:47.43 | un214 | do you want bugs already bisected to be in nvidia's modules? |
| 01:47.50 | dvs | ziumnou: That's pretty accurate. |
| 01:49.02 | nevyn | un214: blacklist should work. |
| 01:49.12 | un214 | it did not |
| 01:49.20 | nevyn | did you update-initrd? |
| 01:49.34 | un214 | X issued a modprobe nvidia, which ignores blacklist |
| 01:49.46 | dvs | !beer nevyn |
| 01:49.47 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Older Viscosity for nevyn |
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| 01:50.09 | un214 | nevyn: if that were necessary, alisas nvidia off wouldn't have worked |
| 01:50.24 | nevyn | hrm |
| 01:50.41 | un214 | look I know what I'm talking about |
| 01:50.54 | un214 | blacklist just ignores probing e.g. modprobe eth0 |
| 01:51.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | un214: did you rebulid the initramfs ? |
| 01:52.05 | ziumnou | dvs: ok, so the most secure/unefficient way is to copy all homes, and /etc, then try to upgrade the old system to squeeze by adjustnig sources.list and running 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade', afterwards create a package list with 'aptitude search -F "%100p" "~i!M" > package_list', then set up a vanilla squeeze on another/the same disk and apply the package_list to this system and then copy over all the home dirs and /etc; is that c |
| 01:52.17 | un214 | No. Had that been necessary, aliasing the module to off wouldn't have helped. |
| 01:52.21 | un214 | think about it. |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | un214: did you rebulid the initramfs ? |
| 01:52.37 | un214 | No. |
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| 01:53.12 | un214 | I read the boot sequence. the "taints kernel" message shows up only after entering runlevel 5. |
| 01:53.50 | dvs | ziumnou: There are specific instructions to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. |
| 01:54.03 | dvs | !tell ziumnou about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:54.16 | simonlnu | rc5? what are you, a redhat user? :P |
| 01:54.20 | plytheman | if this isn't an appropriate place to ask for help on installing I'll ask elsewhere: but I only selected my 40 gig HDD to format but that and my 320 GB drive are on the final screen before confirming... does that mean both with be formatted? |
| 01:54.38 | un214 | anyway I find it disgusting that 2d graphics are so much faster w/ vesa than nvidia's own driver |
| 01:54.46 | caf | !tell me about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:54.57 | abrotman | plytheman: it sohuld not |
| 01:55.09 | sney | caf: /msg dpkg keyword |
| 01:55.21 | abrotman | plytheman: you can look at the partitions directly, there's a checkbox for "Format" |
| 01:55.30 | abrotman | plytheman: the rest shuld be set to N |
| 01:55.42 | nevyn | un214: vesa or nouveau? |
| 01:55.56 | un214 | nevyn: vesa |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | nevyn: vesa, he already said nouveau is useless on his box, he had to remove it from the system |
| 01:56.16 | plytheman | abrotman: in the Partition Settings it has "Use as: do not use" if that's what you mean |
| 01:56.19 | abrotman | nevyn: forcibly remove it .. it was eating his M&Ms |
| 01:56.22 | nevyn | ok missed that. |
| 01:56.48 | ziumnou | dvs: this may take "a while", though, right? |
| 01:56.54 | un214 | abrotman: let's just say I hadn't figured out the alisas off trick yet |
| 01:57.10 | dvs | ziumnou: It depends how fast your internet connection is. |
| 01:57.12 | un214 | fbconsole sucks for accessability |
| 01:57.18 | sney | plytheman: if you're really worried, turn off your computer and unplug the 320GB drive, then start the installer again with only the target disk |
| 01:57.21 | ziumnou | dvs: average |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | nevyn: run away ... |
| 01:57.35 | dvs | ziumnou: meh. An hour or two. |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | also depends how fast the box is |
| 01:57.48 | plytheman | sney: I'll probably just do that... better safe than sorry |
| 01:57.50 | abrotman | given it's aged at lenny ... |
| 01:58.29 | ziumnou | dvs: the bot advice you gave me does not clearly state that it is a clever idea to make backups before upgrading |
| 01:58.41 | un214 | wonders which conversation that run away was about |
| 01:59.27 | dvs | ziumnou: Well, it's a good idea (depending on how valuable your data is) |
| 01:59.48 | sney | it's always a good idea to make backups before a major change. |
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| 02:00.26 | abrotman | sney: that sounds like it involves being careful and planning ... |
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| 02:00.48 | plytheman | sney: I backed up my HDD I planned to format, didn't think about the second one though... |
| 02:00.59 | plytheman | so yea, what abrotman said |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:02.10 | sney | just because it's a good idea doesn't mean everyone always does it |
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| 02:03.12 | ziumnou | dvs: well, there are some hundered GB to rsync (just using the incremental backups would take even more time, i estimate) |
| 02:03.32 | econdudeawesome | Howdy all. Having an issue with my default wheezy repos. http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages is down, how do I fix? |
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| 02:05.00 | sney | econdudeawesome: can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 02:05.15 | dvs | ziumnou: If there's a couple of hundred GB that cannot be easily replaced then it is definately a good idea to backup first. |
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| 02:05.42 | sney | econdudeawesome: or actually, wheezy-updates is on security.debian.org, not ftp.us... |
| 02:05.45 | abrotman | econdudeawesome: that won't be there |
| 02:05.47 | econdudeawesome | http://pastebin.com/svS8ukmj |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | sney: no, wheezy-updates is akin to squeeze-updates, not squeeze/updates |
| 02:06.04 | econdudeawesome | I know! :D I just need to know what to replace it with |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | econdudeawesome: comment the line out, it doesn't exist yet |
| 02:06.18 | bin_bash | what package do I need to isntall for bash-completion |
| 02:06.28 | sney | abrotman: argh, punctuation |
| 02:06.32 | econdudeawesome | abrotman: hah. Fair enough. |
| 02:06.34 | abrotman | !tell bin_bash about search |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | sney: important, just like a backup! |
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| 02:06.59 | sney | :P |
| 02:07.15 | bin_bash | abrotman, that's very fucking unhelpful, considering that apt-cache is, at best, a rudimentary search function wih less capabilities than a retarded door-mouse./ |
| 02:07.19 | econdudeawesome | abrotman, sney should I replace with security.debian.org instead? |
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| 02:07.25 | abrotman | bin_bash: apt-cache search bash completion |
| 02:07.35 | ziumnou | dvs: i do not see a way around it, plus: i'm afraid that upgrading will mess up even more |
| 02:07.36 | bin_bash | >implying |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | bin_bash: i'm sorry it's too complicated for you |
| 02:07.57 | Gargantua | bin_bash: try searching for very very general words then | greping the result. |
| 02:08.01 | bin_bash | >implying I didn't do that already |
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| 02:08.20 | sney | econdudeawesome: just comment out that line like abrotman suggested. you can uncomment it when wheezy is released |
| 02:08.31 | dvs | ziumnou: Well, if you can live without the security updates, it's up to you. |
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| 02:08.50 | sney | he'll get all the security updates at the next point release |
| 02:08.51 | Gargantua | bin_bash: Are you fucking green texting in #debian? really? |
| 02:09.07 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:09.20 | sney | heh, kids |
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| 02:09.34 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 02:09.34 | ziumnou | dvs: on this particular machine the security updates are of minor importance (the never know, i know), but i frequently run into dependency issues + version mix-ups (like in the firefox case or the eieio example) |
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| 02:09.48 | Gargantua | Join #debian and bitch about apt, very, very smart. |
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| 02:10.10 | sney | Gargantua: I know you meant well but please keep the noise out of the support channel |
| 02:10.22 | Gargantua | Yeah, no problem, sorry. |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | oddly "apt-cache search bash-completion" returns two packages |
| 02:10.42 | abrotman | oh, three, sorry |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | guess what one of them is |
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| 02:11.54 | simonlnu | bash-completion? :P |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | no!?! |
| 02:12.54 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 02:19.37 | ziumnou | dvs: thanks for the info |
| 02:19.43 | dvs | no problem |
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| 02:27.31 | sambagirl | i have been monitoring over the last 24hrs cpu % and it stays at around 100% consistantly. i dont have any real activity except the system monitor according to processes. why is the cpu always around 100%? |
| 02:27.47 | Uiri | hello, I have a machine which I think has been on for too long and has stopped responding on my LAN. I've tried connecting keyboards but when I hit capslock the light won't come on. I've tried plugging in a monitor and it turns on but shows just a black screen. Any ideas how to troubleshoot this without a reboot? |
| 02:27.51 | sambagirl | i'm using squeeze 32bit version on this laptop |
| 02:28.13 | sney | Uiri: doesn't respond to ping? |
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| 02:28.21 | Uiri | sney: It lost its IP address |
| 02:28.25 | Uiri | :( |
| 02:28.46 | sney | sambagirl: are you hosting any network services? |
| 02:28.55 | dvs | Heizenbery principle? |
| 02:29.02 | Fyodorovna | sambagirl, install htop and look what is running, this app can stop apps and has other uses |
| 02:29.04 | sambagirl | oh thats right i forgot about that. |
| 02:29.17 | sambagirl | yes i sure am. i forgot i installed everything. the works |
| 02:29.21 | sambagirl | nevermind sorry |
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| 02:29.33 | sney | Uiri: no local access, no network access, it's dead already jim. just hit the power |
| 02:30.01 | Uiri | damn. That's what I was afraid of |
| 02:30.37 | Uiri | any idea what the safest way to turn it off would be? |
| 02:30.41 | sambagirl | umm iptraf is running and i quit that hours ago... |
| 02:30.58 | sambagirl | ok sorry thanks |
| 02:31.52 | f0x90 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.53 | f0x90 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 02:32.16 | abrotman | f0x90: make sure apt-get update has been done |
| 02:32.32 | f0x90 | yes it has |
| 02:32.50 | sney | Uiri: try hitting the power button once without holding it down, there *might* be enough left running to do an acpi shutdown |
| 02:32.53 | f0x90 | just did a dist-upgrade too |
| 02:33.27 | abrotman | f0x90: wait, wheezy/sid ? |
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| 02:34.05 | f0x90 | squeeze |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | judd: info gdm --release squeeze |
| 02:34.35 | judd | Package gdm (gnome, optional) in squeeze/i386: GNOME Display Manager. Version: 2.20.11-4; Size: 4955.1k; Installed: 16776k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/gdm; RFP: #613491 |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | seems like it shuld definitely work |
| 02:34.48 | abrotman | perhaps try with apttidue |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 02:35.16 | sney | it says he has held broken packages. doesn't that refer to aptitude holds? |
| 02:35.29 | Uiri | what component is the most likely to have failed from 582 days of continuous usage, given there's dust everywhere, no PCI(e) cards of any kind and just power & ethernet connected to it? |
| 02:35.55 | zinx | Uiri: power supply |
| 02:36.00 | plytheman | sney: abrotman Finally got everything installed, my second HDD was untouched. Thanks for the help! |
| 02:36.02 | zinx | Uiri: or hard drive |
| 02:36.08 | abrotman | plytheman: glad to hear |
| 02:36.21 | abrotman | disagrees with zinx |
| 02:36.34 | sney | !congratulate plytheman |
| 02:36.34 | dpkg | Woohoo plytheman, you did it! |
| 02:36.36 | abrotman | Uiri: i'd suspect the PSU or the motherboard |
| 02:36.44 | plytheman | accidentilly installed gnome without thinking along with a bunch of programs I don't need, but regardless it all works! |
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| 02:37.29 | zinx | abrotman: you don't think the hard drive is a likely candidate to have failed? |
| 02:37.59 | zinx | abrotman: i would expect fans before motherboard, but it was still on.. so it would have to be an older machine without sensors, or configured to not shut down.. |
| 02:37.59 | sney | Uiri: 582 days is nothing. no component is going to consistently wear out at just that, so you're looking at a fault of some kind, and it's up in the air. though in my personal experience, it's ram or disks more often than not |
| 02:39.10 | zinx | abrotman: and caps tend to be OK these days, except for in cheap power supplies :P |
| 02:39.13 | gnarface | in my experience if "dust everywhere" then the dust killed a fan and the fan was on a critical component that subsequently fried |
| 02:39.31 | plytheman | g'night all |
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| 02:40.36 | abrotman | zinx: i haven't had a HDD fail in ages .. |
| 02:40.38 | zinx | (side note: i do a lot of free PC support for people - i've never seen a motherboard fail except partially from power spikes) |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | zinx: those fans can cause the mobo to fry depending what they cool |
| 02:40.58 | zinx | abrotman: oh, they fail all the freaking time, PSUs and fans are a lot more common though. |
| 02:41.08 | zinx | abrotman: yes, but most machines will shut down these days |
| 02:41.12 | sney | I've seen a lot of motherboards that were junk to begin with but actual total failures are pretty unusual |
| 02:41.30 | zinx | what sney said |
| 02:41.41 | abrotman | zinx: server HDDs fail .. i haven't seen a desktop drive fail in years |
| 02:41.43 | sney | usually some part of it goes and you get mobbed with pci errors but it still "works" after a fashion |
| 02:41.48 | zinx | abrotman: you've gotten lucky |
| 02:41.55 | abrotman | zinx: not me .. they were work boxes :) |
| 02:41.59 | zinx | abrotman: it's really common for the larger drives these days to fail after a year or two |
| 02:42.09 | zinx | abrotman: i.e. 1.5TB+ |
| 02:42.11 | abrotman | and i don't work there anymore |
| 02:42.12 | Uiri | sney: well, it rebooted w/o holding down the power button... it forced a check on the HDD and if it is the RAM then I'm in serious trouble heh |
| 02:42.15 | sney | professional workstations tend to have better airflow than your average off-the-shelf consumer PC |
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| 02:42.36 | zinx | abrotman: also.. dust everywhere.. and hard drives overheating are one of the things computers /don't/ tend to be configured to shut down for |
| 02:42.36 | sney | and disks do cook themselves eventually if there's nowhere for the heat to go (see: dell) |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | zinx: i generally bought like WD 120GB drives or 250GB drives .. don't recall having a single one fail ... maybe just light use |
| 02:42.40 | olskolirc | Well I'm back. I went for Debian after all these years since 2006 and it SUX |
| 02:42.43 | Uiri | heh |
| 02:42.54 | Uiri | I'm mostly concerned about the dust |
| 02:42.55 | abrotman | olskolirc: do you actually need help ? |
| 02:43.01 | olskolirc | Duudeeees why don't you go Ubuntu/kubuntu already |
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| 02:43.11 | Uiri | I didn't realize the faceplate goes in before the mobo when I was putting the box together << |
| 02:43.16 | abrotman | that'd be a no |
| 02:43.23 | zinx | abrotman: i've had several 250GB and 500GB WD drives fail on me, and originally they were partitioned not on 4k boundaries (the drives do not claim to be 4k sectors) |
| 02:43.54 | zinx | abrotman: if you access <4k or non-aligned on a bad sector on one of those, the drive crashes. it can even cause a bus error (a real one), and halt or shut the machine down |
| 02:44.15 | dvs | has had only one 340MB Maxtor fail on him |
| 02:44.29 | zinx | abrotman: it took me a bit to figure out wtf was happening there. i just partition them on 4k boundaries and make the filesystem use >= 4k blocks on them now. |
| 02:44.37 | sney | hard drives are manufactured in huge volumes so of course there will be failures here and there regardless of brand quality... abrotman's type of luck is unusual, usually someone has an irrational grudge against a brand because they saw a few examples from one company fail within $time_period |
| 02:44.43 | zinx | ^ |
| 02:44.52 | sney | also, this is pretty #debian-offtopic |
| 02:45.31 | abrotman | sney: i agree, there are bad "families", not bad brands |
| 02:45.32 | zinx | (i've seen HDs from every brand fail. i'm sitting here with a HTS540032 that is failing - it's been reported that this drive fails the way it's failing /commonly/) |
| 02:45.54 | zinx | erh, HTS545032 |
| 02:46.12 | zinx | anyway, point being |
| 02:46.39 | zinx | if it's not the power supply, check the HD, then fans (though it should have been configured to shut down), then motherboard and whatever else you got |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | check the PSU first? :) |
| 02:46.46 | zinx | yes :) |
| 02:47.02 | zinx | PSUs are terrible :) |
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| 02:50.17 | f0x90 | need help |
| 02:50.32 | sney | !ask |
| 02:50.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 02:52.15 | f0x90 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: gdm-themes : Depends: gdm (> 2.4) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:52.18 | f0x90 | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | f0x90: which version of gdm-themes are you triyng to isntall? can you paste your sources.list ? |
| 02:53.11 | f0x90 | i had to comment out a testing source now |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | mixing stable and testing is not a good idea |
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| 02:56.27 | f0x90 | http://paste.debian.net/181281/ |
| 02:56.43 | f0x90 | abrotman: im just trying to do apt-get install gdm-themes |
| 02:57.05 | abrotman | perhaps you sohuld try aptitude instead |
| 02:57.17 | f0x90 | it wants to remove all kinds of things |
| 02:57.27 | f0x90 | Version: 0.6.2 |
| 02:57.27 | f0x90 | Depends: gdm (>> 2.4) |
| 02:57.34 | f0x90 | thats apt-cache show gdm-themes |
| 02:57.51 | abrotman | f0x90: there's no gdm2 in wheezy |
| 02:58.06 | sney | sometimes you need to remove things to solve dependency issues. you can always install them again later |
| 02:58.06 | f0x90 | so should i try to install a theme manually |
| 02:58.18 | f0x90 | sney: it wants to remove wayy to much |
| 02:58.23 | f0x90 | typical |
| 02:58.31 | f0x90 | how to install a gdm theme |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | f0x90: that's because you installed a pile of packages from wheezy, then removed the source line |
| 02:58.49 | f0x90 | i have debian 6 |
| 02:58.52 | sney | I haven't used squeeze in a while, isn't gdm3 default on it? |
| 02:59.00 | abrotman | it is, but it has both |
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| 03:01.06 | f0x90 | also having this issue |
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| 03:01.15 | f0x90 | could not display run dialog |
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| 03:01.45 | f0x90 | unable to load file /usr/share/gnome-panel/ui/panel-run-dialog.ui |
| 03:02.21 | sney | f0x90: if you installed a bunch of stuff from wheezy related to gnome, there's a good chance you're in brokenland now. gnome 2 and gnome 3 do not mix |
| 03:02.33 | f0x90 | i dont know if i did |
| 03:02.37 | f0x90 | what do i do |
| 03:02.43 | sney | if you want to stay on squeeze, your best bet is to purge gnome altogether and try again; otherwise, complete the upgrade |
| 03:02.56 | f0x90 | how can i upgrade |
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| 03:06.12 | f0x90 | sney: what do i do |
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| 03:16.03 | sney | !tell f0x90 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:16.03 | sney | hmm, dpkg a bit slow today |
| 03:16.04 | f0x90 | i updated my src list |
| 03:16.05 | f0x90 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 03:16.05 | f0x90 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:16.05 | f0x90 | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:16.05 | f0x90 | and deb-src |
| 03:16.05 | sney | yeah, that would do it, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:16.05 | sney | and if you have anything huge installed - like gnome - prepare to wait |
| 03:16.06 | f0x90 | yar |
| 03:16.06 | f0x90 | i just did a 2 hour one |
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| 03:27.04 | BronzeEagle | Yeah - so now I can't seem to get the audio to work (debian 6.0.5 amd64) |
| 03:29.11 | sney | ugh, I hate sound. most of the time it works out of the box, but when it doesn't, everything is terrible |
| 03:29.25 | BronzeEagle | I had the same problem with arch |
| 03:29.32 | BronzeEagle | alsa hates me |
| 03:29.47 | sney | how many entries in /proc/asound/cards ? |
| 03:30.02 | BronzeEagle | 2 |
| 03:30.14 | sney | is the 0 entry the one you want for output? |
| 03:30.19 | BronzeEagle | Yes |
| 03:30.30 | sney | is it an Intel HDA of some sort? |
| 03:30.34 | BronzeEagle | yep |
| 03:30.37 | sney | urgh |
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| 03:31.59 | BronzeEagle | honestly the two biggest problems I've ever had with linux in general: configuring the sound, and installing a printer |
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| 03:32.33 | sney | you are not alone in that respect |
| 03:32.36 | sney | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA this may help the former |
| 03:32.52 | sney | my only advice for printers is to buy something that speaks postscript natively |
| 03:33.43 | BronzeEagle | I've actually managed to get the printer under wraps, just sound |
| 03:38.55 | BronzeEagle | oh sney, while I'm here anytime I run apt-get install/aptitude install I get the following error: http://pastebin.com/54bGENkJ |
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| 04:51.35 | roboman2444 | hm... my font gets REALLY small if i change my resolution to a small one, then change it back up |
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| 04:51.57 | roboman2444 | some games do this, and its annoying to have to reboot to be able to read stuff |
| 04:52.22 | roboman2444 | anyone have a fix? |
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| 04:56.44 | somiaj | roboman2444: sounds like a dpi setting, wonder if you can change that with xset |
| 04:58.10 | somiaj | roboman2444: looks like you can set your xft dpi setting in .Xdefaults, so with that plus xrdb you may be able to change the dpi setting on the fly |
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| 04:58.25 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 04:58.40 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 05:01.23 | somiaj | roboman2444: well I was able to change my dpi setting, but I have to restart the applications for it to take effect, so it doesn't change the existing fonts, but the new ones get the new dpi setting (though maybe setting a forced dpi setting in your Xdefaults may stop the font change from happening in the first place (I cannot think of what else could cause such issues) |
| 05:02.09 | roboman2444 | yea, if i keep an app open before res change, doesnt affect it |
| 05:02.45 | somiaj | so yea seems like you have some dynamic dpi setting and it changes it for the smaller resolutions so you don't get hudge fonts, but doesn't change it back. |
| 05:03.16 | somiaj | Xft.dpi: 100 -- that is the option I use in my .Xdefaults file to set the xft dpi setting, and then I load it with 'xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults' |
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| 06:08.17 | f0x90 | having trouble getting compiz to work |
| 06:09.08 | f0x90 | it seems to be conflicting with whatever defaults are running. The upper right window buttons are moving around on click and are doing the wrong actions. I don't have any of the special fx working |
| 06:11.36 | blast_hardcheese | Are there any interim solutions for multiarch dependency issues? |
| 06:11.51 | blast_hardcheese | like the amd64 package conflicting with the i386 package? |
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| 06:44.02 | hell_razer | hello, is any way to block installation of some packages throught apt, like to block *gnome* or *qt* |
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| 07:18.24 | superlinux-hp | hi. I have background noise when i record. i could not get rid of it. this is my card: Codec: IDT 92HD81B1X5 Codec: Intel CougarPoint HDMI. please help me. the fiddling with volume control does not help. |
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| 07:26.39 | xgl | hi all |
| 07:27.16 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: alsa? start by muting *all* playback and recording channels then unmuting them one at a time until you find the one that is generating the noise. usually its coming from the cdrom or the line-in. of course its possible you're not using a computer and actually have a mid-70's camaro with a poorly grounded alternator but slightly less likely |
| 07:27.50 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: but i told you this all earlier this afternoon and either you ignored me or it didn't work? |
| 07:28.09 | superlinux-hp | it does not work |
| 07:28.37 | gnarface | a shame |
| 07:28.56 | gnarface | did you check the soundcard driver's options? |
| 07:29.38 | gnarface | for example sometimes there is a --model option or the like that you can use to override faulty auto-detection (mabye when you are muting stuff in alsa mixer you're not muting what it says you're muting) |
| 07:29.48 | superlinux-hp | I searched for it |
| 07:30.01 | gnarface | k that's not good enough |
| 07:30.16 | gnarface | do you know the name of the module? |
| 07:30.32 | superlinux-hp | let me try the model=hp, cos that what i have, a laptop |
| 07:31.10 | gnarface | superlinux-hp: well, that *might* work but i'd recommend at least making sure that "hp" is a valid value for that option on this driver |
| 07:31.23 | superlinux-hp | it's |
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| 08:27.49 | ksk | ,versions imagemagick |
| 08:27.50 | judd | Package: imagemagick on i386 -- lenny-security: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny4; squeeze: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 8:6.6.0.4-3+squeeze3; wheezy: 8:6.7.7.10-2; sid: 8:6.7.7.10-3 |
| 08:27.52 | ksk | thx |
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| 08:33.56 | f0x90 | Hello |
| 08:34.58 | overrider | i am about to setup vpn access to an office server using pptpd for about 400 users; has anyone seen pptpd being used for that many users, authentication and security considerations aside? |
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| 08:40.36 | BlutVampir | Is pptpd secure? |
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| 08:44.03 | ksk | its old |
| 08:44.09 | themill | overrider: pptp is generally considered pretty poor even if it is widely used; /msg dpkg pptp; /msg dpkg why not pptp |
| 08:44.12 | ksk | dont use chapv2, thats for sure :) |
| 08:44.46 | overrider | thats why i said security considerations aside. I kind of like it for its easy to setup and maintain and is so compatible |
| 08:45.13 | overrider | just wondering if it scales :-) up to 400 users, unlikely to all connect at once |
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| 09:20.27 | Lasse- | What is this debhelper-bot doing? |
| 09:20.52 | ksk | debhelper: what are you doing? |
| 09:21.20 | ksk | :( |
| 09:22.42 | babilen | Lasse-: Channel admin trivia (adjusting join limits, ...) - Nothing to worry about |
| 09:23.00 | Lasse- | babilen: I understand it's changing the join-limit but why? |
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| 09:23.11 | Sm0ke0ut | prevents join-flood attacks |
| 09:23.20 | Lasse- | ah, I see, thanks. |
| 09:23.48 | babilen | Lasse-: You can /msg me if you have further questions |
| 09:24.16 | Lasse- | Nah, it's clear now. |
| 09:24.26 | Sm0ke0ut | <current amount of users> - <l limit> = amount of users that can join at once |
| 09:24.41 | Lasse- | Had been wondering for days about it and now decided to ask :) |
| 09:25.59 | babilen | Lasse-: I would recommend #debian-offtopic for questions like this in the future (relaxed athmosphere and "how does #d work" is not really on-topic in here) |
| 09:26.33 | Lasse- | babilen: I see, sorry. |
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| 09:55.27 | ocx | can ssh agent forwarding work over 5 or more connections? |
| 09:55.47 | Twinkletoes | I've used fail2ban before, is it pretty standard or are there alternatives I should be looking at? |
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| 10:00.35 | nyuszika7h | !unused |
| 10:00.47 | nyuszika7h | !search unused |
| 10:00.51 | nyuszika7h | meh |
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| 10:01.22 | themill | nyuszika7h: it's easier if you ask a question rather than iterate through all combinations of words in the hope the bot will respond. (You can also chat to dpkg in /msg) |
| 10:01.28 | nyuszika7h | true |
| 10:01.33 | nyuszika7h | so how can I remove unneeded packages? |
| 10:01.45 | themill | nyuszika7h: aptitude will do that for you automatically |
| 10:02.06 | dawud | Twinkletoes: there's denyhosts also. fail2ban is pretty straight forward to config, and covers more use cases IIRC |
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| 10:04.17 | Twinkletoes | dawud: Thank you |
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| 10:11.18 | dawud | Twinkletoes: np |
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| 10:13.27 | Twinkletoes | dawud: I suppose the advantage of denyhosts, is it doesn't require iptables, whereas fail2ban does, although fail2ban covers more than just ssh |
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| 10:15.06 | CybDev | fail2ban does not require iptables, it can use hosts.deny etc aswell, you just gotta configure it... |
| 10:15.33 | Lasse- | Is there a command to see software's version with apt? |
| 10:15.45 | Lasse- | apt-cache search returns the software but doesn't show what version it is |
| 10:15.48 | joules | dpkg-query -s <package> |
| 10:15.54 | Lasse- | joules: Thank you. |
| 10:16.28 | Lasse- | Erm, how can I use that with package that's not installed |
| 10:16.50 | Twinkletoes | Lasse-: search for the software, then use aptitude show <package_name> |
| 10:16.57 | CybDev | apt-cache policy <package> ? |
| 10:17.36 | Lasse- | CybDev: That did the trick. Thank you guys |
| 10:17.43 | CybDev | np |
| 10:17.49 | joules | dpkg-query -p <package> |
| 10:18.11 | themill | Lasse-: "apt-cache show packagename" is possibly more useful for you |
| 10:18.46 | Lasse- | themill: Seems so. :) |
| 10:18.51 | themill | joules: that still doesn't necessarily work for non-installed packages |
| 10:19.24 | Twinkletoes | I was led to believe that using aptitude from the command line was better then apt-get/apt-cache. so many people here seem to use the latter though. Does it matter? |
| 10:19.28 | joules | yes i noticed. But it works for packages available (but not installed). |
| 10:19.29 | joules | sorry. |
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| 10:20.44 | themill | Twinkletoes: aptitude for installing and removing packages is often easier. For complex searches it is great. For simple searches, apt-cache is fine. |
| 10:21.13 | Twinkletoes | themill: thanks :) |
| 10:21.22 | themill | joules: "available" in the dpkg sense doesn't mean what you think it does; available in the dpkg sense doesn't cover all packages that apt knows about, only packages that are in the dpkg/dselect status database |
| 10:22.01 | matlads | or maybe apt-cache policy <package> |
| 10:22.16 | matlads | ah CybDev already suggested that |
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| 10:58.07 | nyuszika7h | hi, how can I prevent aptitude build-dep from installing things from "recommends"? |
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| 11:00.36 | W8uiE5 | try to intall vmware tools on wheezy. the installer always says /usr/bin/gcc isn't the correct path, although it is. what do I have to do, that it recognizes it as correct? |
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| 11:02.07 | babilen | nyuszika7h: Build dependencies are just that, they are not subdivided into recommends, dependencies and suggests. (check "Build-Depends: in the source package) -- What are you trying to do, what is the behaviour you witness and what would you like it to be? (please paste relevant information to http://paste.debian.net) |
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| 11:04.30 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to play a WMV file using mplayer and I am getting no image. I have installed the w32codecs and the problem still persists. The information about the file that I am trying to play is given by mediainfo as in the following link: http://pastebin.com/PXJpDZv5. Given the information from mediainfo is it possible to play this file using mplayer at all?? |
| 11:05.14 | babilen | W8uiE5: You are trying to install the open-vm-tools and the installation fails? Please paste the output to http://paste.debian.net and check the BTS for applicable bug reports against that package. |
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| 11:07.20 | nyuszika7h | well, I'm trying to source vim 7.3 with apt-get, but there are too many build dependencies (and aptitude can't satsify some), and it wants to install a lot of X11-related packages (but I don't want gvim, it's a headless machine) |
| 11:08.11 | babilen | cantoma: Can you play it with mplayer from the Debian repositories? (You can list the packages you install from Debian Multimedia with "/msg dpkg dmm list") -- I would recommend to remove all dmm packages and try with mplayer packaged in Debian. What about vlc? |
| 11:08.46 | babilen | cantoma: If the video in question is public I would appreciate a link as well. |
| 11:08.52 | nkuttler | nyuszika7h: i'd guess the vim build deps include the gtk/gnome etc stuff. you probably want to install the deps manually |
| 11:09.12 | nyuszika7h | it includes gcc-4.6 too, and when trying to source that, even more build deps |
| 11:09.16 | nyuszika7h | and aptitude can't satsify some |
| 11:09.16 | cantoma | babilen, I am not sure if it is available to non UK but you can give a try http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01llnb2/Horizon_20122013_Mission_to_Mars/ |
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| 11:09.24 | babilen | is in the UK |
| 11:10.00 | babilen | cantoma: How are you trying to play that? I typically use get_iplayer to download media from iPlayer |
| 11:10.07 | babilen | ,i get-iplayer |
| 11:10.09 | judd | Package get-iplayer (video, optional) in squeeze/i386: download/stream available BBC iPlayer TV and radio programmes. Version: 2.78-2; Size: 129.3k; Installed: 504k; Homepage: http://linuxcentre.net/iplayer; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/get-iplayer |
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| 11:10.14 | themill | nyuszika7h: you'll need to manually edit the source package's debian/control and not use aptitude builddep to install the build-deps. You'll also have to adjust which packages it's trying to build and adjust debian/rules to change how it's building it. tbh, backporting vim isn't a simple thing that I'd recommend trying... |
| 11:10.18 | cantoma | babilen, just by mplayer file.wmv |
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| 11:11.29 | babilen | cantoma: How is that related to the iPlayer link you gave me earlier? I am just trying to reproduce your problem here and am unsure where your WMV *file* is from. |
| 11:12.02 | cantoma | babilen, I didn't know that iplayer BBC as available in the repository I will give it a try |
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| 11:14.27 | messerting | Hi, I'm trying to run dnsmasq to provide a dns service for my local network (since my new Linksys E3200 doesn't have an internal dns server...) |
| 11:14.39 | cantoma | babilen, the file that I gave you earlier is in the download section of that link |
| 11:14.48 | messerting | However, when I use nslookup from another computer, I get "connection timed out; trying next origin" |
| 11:14.55 | messerting | Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 11:15.02 | babilen | cantoma: Well, get_iplayer is merely a program that allows you to download episodes from iPlayer by saving its stream to a local file. I could download the Horizon episode just fine .. |
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| 11:15.38 | cantoma | babilen, so I am going to try get_iplayer and see if I can play it |
| 11:16.33 | babilen | cantoma: Ah, I'll try the download section. One moment ... get_iplayer is still a tool you should know about if you are in the UK. Great for downloading recurrent programs. You can use "get_iplayer Horizon" to search the index ... I would start by reading "man get_iplayer" |
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| 11:17.30 | potatoe | hello, i've a question regarding apt |
| 11:17.43 | potatoe | does it automatically configure users and groups for specific packages? |
| 11:18.20 | babilen | cantoma: You essentially want to search with "get_iplayer Horizon" and then download the program in question with "get_iplayer --get NNN" (with NNN being the number that is listed during search) -- You can also download HD videos (if available) by specifying "--modes flashhd" or just use "--modes=best" to use the best mode |
| 11:18.32 | themill | potatoe: apt isn't doing that, the maintainer scripts within the packages that dpkg runs do that as written by the maintainer |
| 11:18.46 | cantoma | babilen, hmmm |
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| 11:18.58 | Sevet | potatoe: yes |
| 11:19.05 | babilen | cantoma: I am trying the WMV now ... |
| 11:19.10 | potatoe | themill: i see, im not that familiar with apt/dpkg |
| 11:19.14 | potatoe | although im used to portage |
| 11:19.31 | Sevet | potatoe: in the preinst/postinst scripts |
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| 11:20.03 | potatoe | also how do I get the latest unstable packages? |
| 11:20.08 | potatoe | similar to adding a mask in portage? |
| 11:20.17 | Sevet | you install unstable |
| 11:20.31 | potatoe | Sevet: can I do that per package? |
| 11:20.36 | Sevet | you don't mix distributions. if you want newer packages in squeeze use squeeze-backports. |
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| 11:21.44 | potatoe | mix distributions? |
| 11:21.53 | cantoma | babilen, so mine is downloading it by what it seems the NNN was 311 |
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| 11:22.11 | babilen | cantoma: The great thing about get_iplayer is that it allows you to download things that are not normally downloadable and that you can just come up with a list of shows that you always want to download. Just create a cron job to run once a day or so. |
| 11:23.15 | Sevet | portatoe: mixing squeeze with wheezy/unstable/sid/etc. if you try you'll screw up your system because of dependancies, conflicts, multiarch, packaging changes etc, and possibly screw up future upgrades. |
| 11:23.37 | babilen | cantoma: The WMV causes both vlc and mplayer to segfault -- Yum! |
| 11:24.34 | Sevet | potatoe: but a lot of useful packages in wheezy have been backported to squeeze, so you'll find newer versions in squeeze-backports that are safe to install on squeeze |
| 11:24.36 | Sevet | !tell potatoe about backports |
| 11:25.05 | potatoe | Sevet: i see, thanks |
| 11:25.27 | babilen | potatoe: I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html (and the other chapters) |
| 11:26.15 | potatoe | will do thanks. |
| 11:26.18 | potatoe | another question |
| 11:26.43 | potatoe | is there like a hardened squeeze/selinux |
| 11:27.03 | Sevet | http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/ |
| 11:27.53 | potatoe | k i probably shouldve googled that |
| 11:27.56 | potatoe | but thanks Sevet |
| 11:28.12 | cantoma | babilen, looks perfect |
| 11:28.32 | cantoma | babilen, so I am playing the mp4 downloaded by get-iplayer |
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| 11:28.41 | Sevet | hmm, page seems to be aimed at testing/unstable not squeeze... |
| 11:28.50 | cantoma | babilen, so I will keep doing it in this way |
| 11:28.56 | cantoma | babilen, thanks for the help |
| 11:29.34 | themill | cantoma: get_iplayer's pvr mode is quite nice btw. You can have it run a simple CGI on localhost too for browsing if you want |
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| 11:29.52 | babilen | cantoma: Yeah, it is a great little program. Wonderful if you have a list of things that you want to download weekly. (I used it to keep up to date on all the Planet Earth documentaries, Dr Who, ...) |
| 11:30.40 | cantoma | babilen, well for now it does the job it look great :) |
| 11:31.28 | Sevet | potatoe: bottom of page "ToDo: rewrite this page to focus on the current situation, and how Squeeze and Wheezy actually support SELinux." <-- should be supported but seems that page is out of date. probably a good starting point though. |
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| 11:32.17 | potatoe | alright |
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| 11:38.01 | nyuszika7h | well the reason I want vim 7.3 is I heard it has an awful lot of bugfixes |
| 11:38.03 | nyuszika7h | I give up for now |
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| 11:38.59 | hanibana | Hi. How long an XFS file system check takes compared to Ext3? Are there any numbers? I like to know this, because I'm going to create some multi-TB file systems... |
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| 11:44.16 | superlinux-hp | gnarface, guess what?! my microphone looks busted! :) |
| 11:44.22 | superlinux-hp | what a waste of time |
| 11:45.20 | messerting | Anyone knows what iptables rules I have to set in order to do dns lookups (dnsmasq) from another host (same subnet)? |
| 11:49.27 | XSlicer | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 53 -j ACCEPT |
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| 12:02.28 | messerting | XSlicer: thanks, tried that, but still get "connection timed out; no servers could be reached" when I do "nslookup - 192.168.1.24" (dnsmasq is running on that IP) |
| 12:02.58 | abrotman | messerting: you may also need UDP .. also, ask #netfilter |
| 12:03.06 | W8uiE5 | installed debian 6 as vmware guest. istalled the vmware tools via debian package manager. tried to create a shared folder which is always enabled, but got: "unable to update runtime folder sharing status unknown error" What can I do? |
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| 12:07.12 | messerting | abrotman: Thanks, will try there (opening udp 53 didn't help) |
| 12:11.56 | abrotman | messerting: are you sure it's just your iptables in the way? |
| 12:12.35 | messerting | abrotman: not sure. I'll try to figure out how to turn it off temporarily |
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| 12:15.08 | messerting | abrotman: I'm running this on a guruplug (kernel 2.6.32, armv5tel), and am not even sure what firewall it runs.. |
| 12:15.10 | messerting | service iptables stop gives "iptables: unrecognized service" |
| 12:15.46 | messerting | abrotman: btw, doing nslookup locally on the server that runs dnsmasq works just as expected |
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| 12:16.45 | themill | messerting: iptables is not a service -- it's a set of rules |
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| 12:19.39 | XSlicer | messerting, you can better use iptables -L to see if you have any rules |
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| 12:38.45 | KsM | What file indexer should I get for nautilus |
| 12:39.24 | KsM | I remember having one, but removing it because it'd use my hard drive up a lot and not help much, but recently loading a folder has been getting very slow and annoying |
| 12:40.19 | KsM | and I'm going to sleep soon so now would be a good time to index everything and have it finished by the time I get up |
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| 12:41.49 | KsM | "tracker"? |
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| 12:46.53 | Trewas | KsM: tracker yes, but it won't speed up at all opening directories in nautilus, only searches etc |
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| 12:47.29 | KsM | so what would/could speed that up |
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| 12:49.20 | Trewas | depends why it has become slower, if it used to be faster... but SSDs are nice |
| 12:50.40 | abrotman | wasn't that Beagle? |
| 12:51.11 | KsM | Well, it's my dropbox folder typically; it's huge |
| 12:51.16 | KsM | bunch of pictures |
| 12:51.52 | KsM | but the thumbnails usually load up slowly, but okay; i.e. they load up few-by-few but it shows the thumbnail and not a generic icon |
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| 12:58.35 | useless-eater | hi, installing java oracle with make-jpkg. but not enough free space in /tmp. it sais the env variable TMPDIR will set program to use another temp folder, but after export TMPDIR=newlocation same thing happens. still tries to write to /tmp |
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| 12:59.40 | alive | Hi all :) |
| 12:59.58 | BlutVampir | hi |
| 13:00.13 | alive | I have a syslog-ng which is supposed to send log messages over tun0, but the packet source is set as the IP of eth0.. how do I change this? |
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| 13:17.22 | useless-eater | anyone knows what Im doing wrong about the make-jpkg and TMPDIR env. variable? |
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| 13:18.42 | abrotman | need more details |
| 13:18.47 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 13:18.53 | abrotman | how are you setting TMPDIR ? |
| 13:19.06 | useless-eater | export TMPDIR=/location |
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| 13:19.54 | useless-eater | done as the same user that runs make-jpkg |
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| 13:21.06 | useless-eater | ohh.. works now.. puzzled |
| 13:21.54 | useless-eater | lots of errors.. but the usual ones I guess.. no complaining about space on /tmp :) |
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| 13:25.24 | zelrik | firefox is not in the package manager? |
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| 13:26.21 | jellow | zelrik: only iceweasel |
| 13:26.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell zelrik about why iceweasel |
| 13:27.32 | zelrik | so it s basically the same thing |
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| 13:28.27 | jelly | yes |
| 13:28.30 | Olivre | I'm looking to install the Debian image onto a memory stick from Windows 7 and have had trouble with unetbootin with CD and DVD images. |
| 13:29.19 | jelly | also, |
| 13:29.27 | jelly | dpkg: tell zelrik about mdn |
| 13:29.34 | jellow | cannot get hardware acceleration working in wine though native games work , I have an intel sandy bridge card and i915 drivers I'm running debian squeeze and compiled the latest wine. How do I enable it ? |
| 13:30.32 | Twinkletoes | It's been ages since I touched bash... anyone know how to prevent // appearing when I'm concatenating variables? Or does the shell just ignore them and treat them as a single / ? |
| 13:31.19 | jelly | Twinkletoes: how are you concatenating them? |
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| 13:32.01 | Twinkletoes | jelly: I don't know what they will be, but I'm concatenating then like "myPath=$var1/$var2" |
| 13:32.13 | Twinkletoes | jelly: they could be given as paths with or without a / on the end |
| 13:32.16 | jelly | Twinkletoes: so don't put that / in there |
| 13:32.30 | Twinkletoes | jelly: And if the variable is given without a / on the end? |
| 13:32.42 | jelly | or cut it out of var1 before joining |
| 13:32.55 | Twinkletoes | jelly: Just trying to cover a few bases. So, I have to test it, then cut it out if it's there? |
| 13:33.06 | gotmynick | myPath=${var1%/}/$var2" |
| 13:33.10 | jelly | Twinkletoes: or just cut it out |
| 13:33.33 | jelly | what gotmynick said works if you're writing a #!/bin/bash script |
| 13:33.34 | gotmynick | myPath=${var1%/}/${var2#/}" # if var2 may have a initial one |
| 13:33.45 | gotmynick | % and # are posix |
| 13:33.51 | gotmynick | works in sh too |
| 13:34.10 | jelly | oh, nice |
| 13:34.29 | Twinkletoes | gotmynick: Ah, that's sort of what I was looking for, thank you |
| 13:34.37 | jelly | that means it will work with any Debian /bin/sh |
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| 13:36.39 | gotmynick | Twinkletoes, note: that only will work to remove "one" / if you need to remove things like ///path then double them as in ## and %% |
| 13:36.56 | Twinkletoes | gotmynick: Thank you :) |
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| 13:39.42 | W8uiE5 | ran vmware-config-tools.pl in a debian 6 guest and got this error: http://imagebin.org/222735 what can I do? |
| 13:40.00 | JohnMS | I've created several source based application packages using dh_make, but now I'm packaging a mono based application. |
| 13:40.24 | JohnMS | How do I resolve the dependencies automatically so that the dh:shlibs is filled in? |
| 13:40.25 | JoeHazzers | are there any debian-specific docs for a dual monitor xorg configuration? |
| 13:40.27 | themill | W8uiE5: that's not a debian 6 kernel |
| 13:40.52 | Twinkletoes | themill: It's Ubuntu 12.04 isn't it? |
| 13:41.13 | themill | looks like wheezy |
| 13:42.18 | W8uiE5 | themill: thought wheezy is 6. sorry |
| 13:43.06 | themill | Does vmware release drivers compatible with the 3.2 kernel? I gave up on chasing vmware patches years ago so I don't know. |
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| 13:46.13 | W8uiE5 | any idea what to do? |
| 13:46.35 | Twinkletoes | W8uiE5: I wouldn't be using anything this new with vmware |
| 13:47.18 | Twinkletoes | W8uiE5: You could try in #vmware aswell? |
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| 13:48.50 | ilius | hi |
| 13:49.22 | ilius | can i downgrade a package in testing to on older version in testing? |
| 13:49.23 | W8uiE5 | Twinkletoes: Me too, but I should. #vmware recommends smb, but I do not want to believe, that there is no solution. |
| 13:49.42 | ilius | gnome-applets from 3.4.1-3 to 3.4.1-1 specificly |
| 13:50.13 | Twinkletoes | gotmynick: Further to your previous solution about string replacement, I don't know whether the combined string will or will not have // in it at any place along. I tried the ${string/substring/replacement} method, but I can't figure it out when the chars I Want to replace are / aswell as the separators |
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| 13:51.04 | jelly | Twinkletoes: not everything needs to be done with internal shell functionality, you may use other tools like sed |
| 13:51.06 | ilius | the older deb file is cleared |
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| 13:51.41 | gotmynick | $ var='//a////path///with///slashes////' |
| 13:51.42 | gotmynick | $ echo ${var//+(\/)//} |
| 13:51.53 | Twinkletoes | gotmynick: Woah! |
| 13:52.04 | gotmynick | but that is only "bash" |
| 13:52.06 | gotmynick | no "sh" |
| 13:52.30 | Twinkletoes | adds gotmynick to its hero-worship list |
| 13:52.32 | jelly | Twinkletoes: var=$(echo "$var" | sed 's#//*#/#g; s#/$##') |
| 13:54.01 | gotmynick | Twinkletoes, I've no merit... someone teaches it to me too |
| 13:54.18 | Twinkletoes | gotmynick: :) |
| 13:54.25 | gotmynick | also see the jelly more portable tips |
| 13:54.42 | jelly | also, there's a fine #bash channel right over there |
| 13:54.51 | Twinkletoes | Ok, slash problem overcome... ss=//, y=/ mypath=${string/ss/y} |
| 13:55.00 | Twinkletoes | :) |
| 13:55.19 | jelly | they will provide both bash and sh suggestions if you specify which shell you're targeting |
| 13:55.19 | gotmynick | mmm // is not the same than +(\) |
| 13:55.38 | Twinkletoes | gotmynick: True |
| 13:56.01 | Twinkletoes | gotmynick: I think I can say that I shouldn't end up with more than // in a row... I hope! |
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| 13:58.12 | gotmynick | string/x/y will substitute only once (first once from the left), string//x/y will substitute all of them |
| 13:58.23 | Twinkletoes | gotmynick: Oh |
| 13:58.26 | ilius | i'v got problems with some of my gtk3 themes after i upgraded gnome-applets from 3.4.1-1 to 3.4.1-3, can i downgrade to the older one? |
| 13:58.48 | gotmynick | Twinkletoes, your real hero may be in the /topic of #bash, those are great wikis with great info |
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| 14:02.29 | gotmynick | ilius, purge the new version, download the previous version, and dpkg -i ? |
| 14:02.58 | ilius | gotmynick: i can't find the previous version in the web |
| 14:03.30 | ilius | gotmynick: and its deleted from cache |
| 14:03.46 | gotmynick | then maybe snapshot.debian.org |
| 14:03.59 | ilius | oh ok |
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| 14:05.47 | boudiccas | yesterday i upgraded ffmpeg with the one from backports, which when converting a mp4 to avi, made teh avi bigger and crashed three times this morning. so i removed it with winff and libav-tools, and then reinstalled winff and ffmpeg. now its been converting for over an hour with no problems. not all teh programs on backports work as expected or as they should. a cautionary tale |
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| 14:06.39 | abrotman | boudiccas: the website tells you that |
| 14:06.48 | ilius | gotmynick: tnx |
| 14:07.10 | gotmynick | np |
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| 14:07.22 | JohnMS | Any thoughts on the mono dependency resolution? |
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| 14:08.20 | gotmynick | JohnMS, you may try luck on #debian-mentors in oftc irc network |
| 14:08.20 | abrotman | JohnMS: there's a #debian-mono on irc.oftc.net IIRC, they'd probably be super happy to help you |
| 14:08.27 | gotmynick | or that |
| 14:08.47 | JohnMS | I'll give it a try there. |
| 14:09.01 | gotmynick | JoeHazzers, looking scroll to other question, I rescue your question |
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| 14:09.07 | wkhan113 | Hi. I'm thinking of buying a graphics card. Which company offers best compatibility with linux. |
| 14:09.09 | gotmynick | there was an article in the debian wiki |
| 14:09.12 | abrotman | wkhan113: intel |
| 14:09.18 | JoeHazzers | gotmynick: hrm, never saw that |
| 14:09.24 | JohnMS | LOL no one is in debian-mono. |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | JohnMS: irc.oftc.net |
| 14:09.36 | JohnMS | ah. :D |
| 14:09.43 | gotmynick | JoeHazzers, http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 it has a section about doing it with xorg |
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| 14:09.56 | JoeHazzers | gotmynick: thanks |
| 14:10.23 | JohnMS | gotmynick: If it's the artical I found while searching they didn't cover automatic dependecies, but focused on where to put stuff. |
| 14:10.33 | wkhan113 | Abrotman. Would nvidia palit 210 be ok. |
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| 14:11.37 | wkhan113 | What is opengl? |
| 14:12.12 | twiq | can someone tell me if it is possible to install a complete and fully functional debian environment under a home directory with fakeroot + debootstrap + chroot ? |
| 14:12.43 | gotmynick | twiq, it's but somethings need to be shared with the "outside" chroot host |
| 14:12.53 | gotmynick | like devices, network, etc |
| 14:13.27 | twiq | gotmynick, makes sense. and is debootstrap aware of that? |
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| 14:14.26 | gotmynick | twiq, debootsrap works fine, but you may need to adjust (bind mounts of /dev, /proc, /sys... resolv.conf... etc |
| 14:14.30 | cusco_ | twiq: yes you can just debootsrap, then mount -o bind /dev /sys |
| 14:14.30 | gotmynick | ) |
| 14:14.32 | cusco_ | and proc |
| 14:15.00 | gotmynick | wkhan113, nvidia uses to work fine with their binary blob... support and life cycle, version compatibility, etc depends on them |
| 14:15.16 | jhutchins_wk | twiq: I've maintained a dual-boot stable/test system with the ability to chroot from stable to test and run updates and system tests. |
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| 14:16.18 | Benkinooby | hi, where can i find more information about consecutive and recursive symlinks |
| 14:16.34 | Benkinooby | my google foo is not strong enough |
| 14:17.16 | twiq | jhutchins_wk, that's awesome, do you have any reading on how you did it? |
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| 14:18.22 | gotmynick | time ago there was a chapter in the "debian reference", but maybe outdated |
| 14:18.37 | gotmynick | it talked even howto run X into the chroot, etc |
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| 14:19.58 | twiq | I've been searching for something already written on how to install a debian inside the home folder and manage it but unsuccessfully.. |
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| 14:20.24 | twiq | but in theory |
| 14:20.54 | twiq | chroot and debootstrap would do the trick right? |
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| 14:21.59 | Diopter | debootstrap is indeed how you can install debian in a chroot. |
| 14:22.05 | Diopter | It's exceptionally easy, and kind of awesome. |
| 14:22.29 | Diopter | You can also install a whole system through debootstrap, if you 'strap to a mounted partition to use as a root partition |
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| 14:24.14 | jelly | twiq: if you don't have root, you might have to use a wrapper library like fakeroot but one that has persistency |
| 14:24.37 | jelly | but you need root for chroot anyway |
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| 14:25.55 | gotmynick | Benkinooby, there are some notes in man 7 symlink -> /follow it points to other manpages for system calls that follow symlinks |
| 14:28.36 | gotmynick | man 2 open (apt-get install manpages-dev) just says that if many loops are detected it returns a defined error |
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| 14:38.10 | jargon- | i changed my sources.list from squeeze to wheezy and ran aptitude update. Then nagios3 seemed to have "disappeared" from the wheezy repo, even though it's clearly there: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nagios3 what gives? |
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| 14:38.39 | syssi | does anybody uses or knows the transparent proxy redsocks and can explain some protocol detail to e? :-) |
| 14:38.42 | syssi | +m |
| 14:39.08 | nvz | jargon-: you don't verify something is on a repo by checking p.d.o for one thing |
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| 14:39.32 | nvz | jargon-: you veryify by checking the actual repo in your sources.list |
| 14:39.32 | jargon- | nvz: no u don't. u run aptitude show <pkg>. which is what i did |
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| 14:39.47 | nvz | jargon-: wrong again |
| 14:39.54 | nvz | jargon-: that just shows whats in your package cache |
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| 14:40.01 | dvs | jargon-: apt-cache policy nagios3 |
| 14:40.13 | jargon- | nvz: i did that too. i manually downloaded nagios3 from the wheezy repo |
| 14:40.15 | syssi | redsocks catches all network traffic of my wireless device and delivers everything to a remote socks5 proxy. |
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| 14:40.58 | nvz | jargon-: ok well if you manually verified the URL you're using and found the package and you're sure you've updated, then chances are the packages.gz on the mirror is messed up |
| 14:41.33 | syssi | if i try to connect to closed ports (connection refused at the endpoint) redsocks delivers a "connection open then closed". |
| 14:41.50 | nvz | aboslutely nothing assures that something that is on p.d.o is on a particular mirror, nor does anything assure whats in your cache is on the mirror, and again nothing assures whats on the mirror is in the packages.gz file |
| 14:42.03 | syssi | is this a flaw of transparent proxing to socks5 or do i miss something? |
| 14:42.50 | themill | jargon-: perhaps you could pastebin your sources.list and the output of "aptitude update" |
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| 14:45.53 | ac_slater | I absolutely hate dpkg and the debian packing framework |
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| 14:47.19 | nvz | MentalAway: you should disable whatever is causing your nick to change because its annoying and you're likely to wind up kicked/banned from larger channels |
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| 14:53.17 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 14:55.04 | jelly | yeah, ##linux explicitely forbids away nicks |
| 14:55.29 | jelly | there's a perfectly fine /away boolean |
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| 15:07.22 | eXeC001er | Hi. |
| 15:07.29 | lilleman | I have issues with my mysql server, getting this when I start it: "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)". And "service mysql stop" fails, and I need to use "mysqladmin -u root -p shutdown" to shut it down |
| 15:07.31 | twobitsprite | jelly: plus all those great bitchx scripts that spam every channel you're in ever 2 minutes letting everyone know you're away... how else are we going to know? |
| 15:08.12 | themill | lilleman: did you overwrite your "mysql" db by copying it from another machine perhaps? Or remove grants from the debian-sys-maint user? |
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| 15:09.17 | eXeC001er | How to calculate size of packages that should be dowloaded during upgrade, but without doing upgrade? I know that aptitude show size, but i have only apt-get. |
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| 15:09.34 | lilleman | themill: Its much possible, this is a developement machine |
| 15:09.44 | lilleman | So the DB is copied from elsewhere now and then |
| 15:09.47 | themill | dpkg: tell lilleman about debian-sys-maint |
| 15:09.56 | eXeC001er | 'apt-get -s -y upgrade' does not show me size |
| 15:10.04 | SigmaVirus24 | Is it possible to run a preseed file after having completed an installation (particular use case: I had a large number of packages specified that couldn't be installed because I had to install the NIC drivers by hand) |
| 15:10.29 | themill | lilleman: you can edit the passwd in /etc/mysql/ if you know what it is on the machine this db came from |
| 15:10.40 | lilleman | themill: was just about to ask that. Thanks! :) |
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| 15:12.31 | jhutchins_wk | SigmaVirus24: I believe aptitude will take a text file as a list of packages to install. |
| 15:12.54 | lilleman | themill: works like a boss! tyvm :) |
| 15:13.04 | SigmaVirus24 | jhutchins_wk: I was just hoping not to have to parse them out lol |
| 15:13.42 | themill | lilleman: np. If you're doing this copying around often, perhaps exclude the files for the mysql table or come up with a way of syncing passwds or use mysqldump instead. |
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| 15:15.04 | eXeC001er | he he. i have found nice option: 'apt-get --assume-no upgrade' |
| 15:15.17 | lilleman | themill: Not much of a problem now when I know how to fix it. I only do this when I set up the server in case I hacked something horribly wrong. :p |
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| 15:22.17 | PrinceAMD- | hi guys i am using this command ' dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b -r' to build my lib in package, but it comes out as version 1.0 how can i change the version to 3.0? just the package version |
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| 15:23.01 | themill | PrinceAMD-: the version is defined in the changelog |
| 15:23.05 | themill | dpkg: tell PrinceAMD- about nmg |
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| 15:28.48 | PrinceAMD- | thanks themill |
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| 15:32.01 | Twinkletoes | Is postfix too big just as a send-only servier for cron? |
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| 15:42.54 | jhutchins_wk | Twinkletoes: I think exim's the default. |
| 15:43.06 | Twinkletoes | hates exim |
| 15:43.25 | jhutchins_wk | Twinkletoes: That's a pointless expenditure of energy, but fine, use postfix or ssmtp |
| 15:44.05 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins_wk: Sorry, wasn't meaning to be rude... it's just a preference |
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| 15:44.49 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins_wk: If I'm going to have a big mailer, I'd probably choose postfix, but I know there are other little ones like ssmtp and msmtp etc. that could (I think) do the job |
| 15:45.04 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins_wk: One might say jsut to stick to one of them for consistency :) |
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| 16:06.53 | stevieman | I'm using denyhosts on Debian 6 and I cannot for the life of me remember where the Work_Dir is located. I need to find the allow-hosts file but it is not in the /usr/share/denyhost directory so many blog say it should be in. Does any know how I can find this file |
| 16:09.49 | vaus | stevieman: as long as you know the name of the file, try: 'updatedb' and then: 'locate file'. |
| 16:10.46 | stevieman | vaus: I get a command not found for updatedb |
| 16:11.12 | themill | stevieman: does /usr/share/doc/denyhosts/README.Debian answer your question? |
| 16:13.16 | Sevet | stevieman: /usr/bin/updatedb in mlocate package (which i thought was a base package) |
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| 16:14.28 | stevieman | themill, nope unfortunately it doesn't |
| 16:15.26 | stevieman | Sevet, Thanks, just installed the mlocate package |
| 16:16.14 | vaus | Or use find instead. (as in: find / -name 'filename') |
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| 16:17.47 | stevieman | ah you guys/gals are awesome |
| 16:19.24 | Sevet | stevieman: though looking at the package i think that file doesn't exist until you create it |
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| 16:20.24 | Sevet | ./debian/patches/03_default-config.patch:28:+WORK_DIR = /var/lib/denyhosts |
| 16:20.25 | Sevet | try /var/lib/denyhosts |
| 16:20.39 | stevieman | Sevet: Problem is I setup Denyhosts over a year ago and I can't find the docs I wrote |
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| 16:21.23 | Sevet | and if it's not the default WORK_DIR is set in /etc/denyhosts.conf |
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| 16:23.35 | stevieman | Sevet, yah locate found the file in /var/lib/denyhosts |
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| 16:37.51 | DimmuR | i've just installed extra 4GB RAM on laptop with debian (kernel with pae) and htop shows me that i have 8GB RAM - does this mean that i have access to those higher 4GB? |
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| 16:42.08 | BlutVampir | DimmuR how much have you complete? |
| 16:42.32 | DimmuR | $ cat /proc/meminfo |
| 16:42.32 | DimmuR | MemTotal: 8200336 kB |
| 16:42.52 | BlutVampir | not that, you had xx RAM and upgraded with 4 GB |
| 16:43.02 | DimmuR | i had 4, added 4 |
| 16:43.14 | BlutVampir | yes, should work then.. |
| 16:43.26 | Sevet | DimmuR: 64bit? |
| 16:43.37 | DimmuR | sounds like PAE make possible to work with 8GB under 32bit... i always thought pae gives access only up to 4GB |
| 16:43.42 | DimmuR | svenn_, 32bit |
| 16:43.52 | DimmuR | Sevet, 32bit |
| 16:44.28 | Sevet | os can use up to 64gb, individual programs up to 4gb |
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| 16:45.08 | DimmuR | thanks for explanation Sevet i'm still going to reinstall debian at weekend |
| 16:45.14 | DimmuR | so i will put 64bit |
| 16:46.06 | Sevet | well, a little under 4gb - addresses remains 32bit hence the 4gb, but some gets reserved for stuff |
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| 16:47.22 | Zharf | ytr |
| 16:47.25 | Zharf | whops |
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| 16:51.37 | Iridos | Sevet, I think maybe even just 3... 3.5? Can't remember, but I think managed to hit it once or twice |
| 16:52.47 | Iridos | oh yeah... 3G, 1G is reserved for kernel stuff |
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| 16:54.12 | Iridos | wonder if that's in the factoid... |
| 16:54.13 | Iridos | dpkg pae |
| 16:54.14 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) is an x86 processor feature allowing more than 4 gigabytes of physical memory to be used. Linux supports PAE since version 2.3.23 (up to 64 GB of memory on 32-bit systems). PAE is supported by the Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/4/4M/D, Xeon, Core and Atom; AMD Geode NX, Athlon (K7), Duron, Opteron, Sempron, Turion and Phenom; Transmeta Efficeon; VIA C7 and some others. Ask me about <bigmem>, <686-pae>. |
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| 16:54.39 | Iridos | dpkg 686-pae |
| 16:54.39 | dpkg | At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-bigmem flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>. |
| 16:54.48 | Iridos | hm, seems not |
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| 16:58.17 | sney | Iridos: the 'bigmem' factiod has it as ~3.4GB |
| 16:58.32 | Iridos | dpkg, bigmen |
| 16:58.32 | dpkg | Iridos: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 16:58.54 | Iridos | huh, and we see it's gorn? |
| 16:59.12 | Iridos | dpkg bigmem |
| 16:59.12 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM on Debian Squeeze/6.0 systems supporting <PAE>. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have a <x86-64> processor, use an -amd64 linux-image instead. See also <686-pae>. |
| 16:59.18 | Iridos | oh, men /o\ |
| 17:00.16 | Iridos | sney, that describes the total limit for the non-pae kernels... |
| 17:01.09 | sney | weren't you trying to clarify this? <Iridos> Sevet, I think maybe even just 3... 3.5? Can't remember, but I think managed to hit it once or twice |
| 17:01.24 | Iridos | we meant the per-process limit with PAE enabled... because even in a PAE kernel, you can't address more than 4G at any given time... the kernel just kinda swaps region for different processes |
| 17:01.50 | Iridos | (or so I undrestand it) |
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| 17:02.13 | _br_ | Sorry, not sure where to ask this otherwise. In the HTTP protocol, am I correct in assuming that accept header tells the server what the client wants to hear (e.g. application/json) and content-type tells the server what the client sends the server (e.g. application/xml) ? (building a rest api at the moment) |
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| 17:03.41 | djzn | i'm trying to get my video card working in debian squeeze... i have a radeon hd 6450, and i can't seem to make it work with 'radeon', 'radeonhd' or 'fglrx' |
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| 17:04.38 | dvs | djzn: Have you installed the "firmware-linux-nonfree" package? |
| 17:04.50 | djzn | dvs: yes i did that |
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| 17:05.18 | dvs | djzn: What kernel do you have? |
| 17:05.31 | djzn | the video is displaying a 'vesa' resolution.... like 1024x768 and i have a 1920x1080 full hd panel.... |
| 17:05.56 | djzn | the kernel is the debian stock 2.6.32 |
| 17:06.09 | dvs | djzn: I'd suggest getting the backported 3.2 kernel and the backported firmware. |
| 17:06.38 | djzn | dvs: because of these new radeons? |
| 17:06.59 | dvs | djzn: Yes |
| 17:07.17 | djzn | is it on the official repos? |
| 17:07.32 | dvs | djzn: No, it's on the backports repo |
| 17:07.34 | dvs | !bpo |
| 17:07.35 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 17:08.11 | djzn | gonna try that, thanks |
| 17:08.16 | dvs | np |
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| 17:14.08 | boudiccas | how do i find what my ethernet connection is please? i need it to start darkstat |
| 17:14.32 | jelly-home | what do you mean by "what your ethernet connection is" |
| 17:14.59 | boudiccas | is it eth1 or what please? how do i fine out? |
| 17:15.09 | boudiccas | find |
| 17:15.10 | dvs | boudiccas: "ip link" is a good start |
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| 17:15.30 | jelly-home | boudiccas: find which interface the defaultroute goes out thru, "ip r" or "route" |
| 17:15.41 | digdilem | ifconfig might be what you're looking for |
| 17:15.58 | boudiccas | ip link did it thanks |
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| 17:16.50 | dvs | np |
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| 17:23.11 | ptrk | is ffmpeg in official debian repository a stripped-down version (possibly due to some legal issues)? |
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| 17:23.37 | abrotman | check the changelog or README.Debian |
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| 17:36.49 | baronobeefdip | Hello does anyone know how to enable port 6000 in the xorg display server |
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| 17:42.47 | simonlnu | you sure you want to do that? |
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| 17:46.02 | jelly-home | baronobeefdip: I don't know, but it seems you'd need to figure out what starts the X server for you and tell it not to use "-nolisten tcp" in its command line options |
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| 17:54.19 | karsten | Is there a file viewer with syntax highlighting? I'd prefer not invoking an editor, even in read-only mode. Though if that's the answer, I can live with it (vim). |
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| 17:56.06 | Sarah` | Ah, never mind, the un-wrapped passphrase. :) |
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| 17:57.54 | _aeris_ | hello #debian |
| 17:57.59 | hell_razer | hello, i am apsoludly confused with /etc/resolv.conf , how to configure static dns with dynamic ip? |
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| 17:58.12 | jelly-home | !override dns |
| 17:58.12 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer. |
| 17:58.23 | _aeris_ | i have a question about module compilation |
| 17:58.25 | themill | hell_razer: does your dhcp server not give you the right data? |
| 17:58.39 | _aeris_ | i have 2 machines, same debian version and module |
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| 17:59.04 | _aeris_ | i try to compile and install vmware module, but build works on one but not on the other… |
| 17:59.14 | hell_razer | themill, dhcp from my isp is ureally slow |
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| 17:59.47 | _aeris_ | the first difference before failure is « MODPOST 0 modules » on the failed, « MODPOST 1 modules » on the good |
| 17:59.49 | hell_razer | jelly-home, what resolvconf tool do directly? |
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| 18:00.15 | _aeris_ | anybody have any clue to solve this problem ? |
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| 18:01.57 | sney | !tell _aeris_ about doesnt work |
| 18:03.02 | themill | hell_razer: so you could configure your dhcp client to ignore the dns servers given to you by your dhcp server and use google dns or open dns or similar instead, just as jelly-home and dpkg suggested |
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| 18:03.42 | _aeris_ | http://paste.debian.net/181377/ |
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| 18:03.55 | HideMe | I've got a Debian 6.0.4 install. When running aptitude, CPU usage spikes to 99.9%. Any ideas why? |
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| 18:05.11 | baronobeefdip | that would be the file in /etc/X11/xinit/serverrc file and i removed the "-nolisten tcp" part rebooted the computer and the port still wasn't open, I even checked the firewall and nothing happened |
| 18:05.51 | abrotman | HideMe: it's doing work? |
| 18:06.15 | sney | _aeris_: wheezy system? and where did that module come from? |
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| 18:06.39 | _aeris_ | sney > testing yes |
| 18:06.48 | _aeris_ | and this module come from vmware setup |
| 18:07.22 | _aeris_ | i have to patch it for 3.2 kernel, but no problem on my other machine with same debian version / arch |
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| 18:08.30 | HideMe | abrotman, to the point where it kills my session though. |
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| 18:08.35 | sney | _aeris_: in that case, why not grab the built vmmon.ko and copy it over? if it's the same debian version/kernel/arch you don't need to build it twice |
| 18:08.48 | _aeris_ | i have no .ko… |
| 18:08.52 | _aeris_ | this is the problem… |
| 18:08.53 | abrotman | HideMe: that's not normal |
| 18:08.59 | abrotman | HideMe: how much RAM does teh box have ? |
| 18:09.17 | HideMe | abrotman, 1GB |
| 18:09.20 | sney | _aeris_: <_aeris_> no problem on my other machine with same debian version / arch |
| 18:09.21 | _aeris_ | oh, the .ko from the other machine ? |
| 18:09.28 | sney | yes, from the other machine. |
| 18:09.32 | _aeris_ | vmplayer WANT to compile it… |
| 18:09.36 | abrotman | HideMe: do you have many sources ? |
| 18:09.41 | boudiccas | how do you install new fonts in gnome under squeeze please? |
| 18:09.53 | _aeris_ | no way to start vmplayer without build… |
| 18:10.18 | sney | that's vmware's problem and not really supported here. but it looks like the build script it's running tries to copy the .ko no matter what, so you could just dump it in that directory and let it copy |
| 18:10.34 | _aeris_ | and it's interesting to correct this problem too and to know the root cause =) |
| 18:10.54 | _aeris_ | sney > problem seems modpost don't see the module |
| 18:11.11 | HideMe | abrotman, should Debian 6 have volatile source? (I that that was 5 only) |
| 18:11.20 | sney | !volatile |
| 18:11.21 | dpkg | Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg00000.html |
| 18:11.29 | _aeris_ | see the not verbose output : http://paste.debian.net/181378/ |
| 18:11.31 | boudiccas | !fonts |
| 18:11.31 | dpkg | Fonts available as Debian packages are automatically configured for use via <defoma>. To add user-supplied fonts to a Debian system, ask me about <install font> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Fonts . For general font information, see http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ . See also <mscorefonts>, <ttf>. |
| 18:11.40 | _aeris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.41 | _aeris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.11 | _aeris_ | some people say it can be a kbuild bug, but in this case, why one build success… |
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| 18:12.52 | _aeris_ | and i can't just drop .ko in the build dir |
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| 18:13.11 | _aeris_ | vmplayer rm and tar xf each time |
| 18:14.14 | abrotman | HideMe: those don't exist for squeeze |
| 18:14.16 | abrotman | boudiccas: please msg the bot |
| 18:14.24 | HideMe | abrotman, Does this look normal for 6.0.4 http://pastebin.com/7iFGr2qT |
| 18:14.26 | abrotman | boudiccas: not trying to be a jerk, we've got enoguh noise going on in here |
| 18:14.34 | _aeris_ | sney > what the real purpose of scripts/mod/modpost ? |
| 18:14.59 | sney | in the vmware build dir? ask vmware people |
| 18:15.02 | dvs | boudiccas: I take it the newer kernel worked. |
| 18:15.03 | abrotman | HideMe: looks great |
| 18:15.21 | abrotman | HideMe: does apt-get update cause the same problem ? |
| 18:15.39 | dvs | no, it looks good for 6.0.5! ;-) |
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| 18:17.01 | boudiccas | dvs: newer kernel? not me, you're confusing me with someone else |
| 18:17.38 | HideMe | abrotman, Even with volatile in there? No, apt-get update is fine. |
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| 18:18.39 | abrotman | HideMe: it's not "volatile", but yes, it's good |
| 18:18.52 | HideMe | Understood. okay. |
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| 18:20.07 | _aeris_ | sney > this is kernel file |
| 18:20.10 | dvs | hmmmm... |
| 18:20.18 | _aeris_ | /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-3.2/scripts/mod/modpost |
| 18:20.45 | dvs | boudiccas: Yes, you're right. Sorry. |
| 18:21.18 | boudiccas | dvs: np |
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| 18:35.51 | boudiccas | how do i install the linlibertine ttf fonts please to gnome under squeeae? is there a GUI to do this? I cant see how to do it in the gnome-control-center |
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| 18:38.21 | nsouer | Hey all is systemd an inevitable default in Debian? |
| 18:38.51 | dvs | nsouer: I imagine so since udev is now a part of it. |
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| 18:40.12 | nsouer | dvs, never though of C programming as a basic sysadmin skill before, maybe it still isn't, guess I should give systemd a fair shake before bemoaning it |
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| 18:40.43 | dvs | hasn't looked into systemd at all |
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| 18:45.30 | taime1 | Pidgin sill not allow me to enable pidgin-libnotify. I'ts just grayed out. The only info I was able to find said that I need at least version 0.14 but that's the version I have0.14-7. What gives? |
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| 18:48.52 | _stefanos_ | greetings everyone. yesterday i ran upgrades and today i have no sound. can anyone help please? |
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| 18:50.10 | n-iCe | _stefanos_: what was upgraded |
| 18:50.17 | n-iCe | what's your sound card |
| 18:50.47 | _stefanos_ | one creative soundblaster live! 5.1, and 1 onboard which i don't remember |
| 18:50.55 | n-iCe | you use alsa? |
| 18:51.06 | _stefanos_ | yes |
| 18:51.09 | n-iCe | lspci | grep audio |
| 18:51.11 | _stefanos_ | i think! |
| 18:51.28 | _stefanos_ | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 18:51.28 | _stefanos_ | 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) |
| 18:51.57 | patterson | Mr Ethics |
| 18:52.17 | n-iCe | _stefanos_: speaker-test |
| 18:52.24 | _stefanos_ | from terminal? |
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| 18:52.43 | _stefanos_ | am i supposed to hear something? |
| 18:52.47 | n-iCe | yes, don't you? |
| 18:52.57 | n-iCe | at least noise |
| 18:53.03 | _stefanos_ | nothing |
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| 18:53.49 | dvs | _stefanos_: Which sound card do you want to hear sound from? |
| 18:54.02 | _stefanos_ | the default should be the creative |
| 18:54.39 | n-iCe | Are you sure it doesn't work? Try turning up the volume first -- both on your speakers and in Linux. |
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| 18:54.43 | dvs | _stefanos_: If you don't want to hear sound out of the onboard sound, I'd blacklist the snd_intel_hda module. |
| 18:54.56 | dvs | or turn it off in the BIOS |
| 18:54.56 | _stefanos_ | no, i use it too with headset |
| 18:55.21 | _stefanos_ | until now was working just fine |
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| 18:57.44 | _stefanos_ | i can see from "cat /proc/asound/cards" that the order has changed. i remember doing something in the past which i have not added on my notes...darn! |
| 18:57.50 | squisher | Hi, I have a stable system where I build backports. So I have both testing and unstable in the sources, but pinned to prefer stable. Now I can't seem to install ghc, and i don't understand why or how I can debug this |
| 18:58.08 | squisher | http://pastie.org/4366773 |
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| 18:59.30 | squisher | ok, I seem to be blind. my priorities are wrong... :-\ |
| 18:59.31 | _stefanos_ | why it does not read my alsaoptions file from /etc/modprobe.d/ directory? |
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| 19:01.04 | squisher | _stefanos_, filename ends in .conf I hope? |
| 19:01.48 | _stefanos_ | no, it's extensionless |
| 19:02.02 | squisher | _stefanos_, well, there you have your issue |
| 19:02.06 | squisher | man modprobe.d |
| 19:02.15 | _stefanos_ | yeah, but how come it got like this? |
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| 19:02.50 | squisher | _stefanos_, on my system all files in there end in .conf |
| 19:02.56 | squisher | what's the filename? |
| 19:03.03 | _stefanos_ | alsaoptions |
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| 19:03.28 | dvs | _stefanos_: They had big warning when the system starts that files that dont have ".conf" at the end will be ignored in a future versioni. |
| 19:03.46 | squisher | _stefanos_, you probably created that file yourself |
| 19:03.46 | _stefanos_ | i didn't know that |
| 19:03.52 | _stefanos_ | yes i did |
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| 19:04.33 | squisher | the problem with including all files in a directory is the _huge_ issue of also including backup and temporary files |
| 19:04.55 | squisher | a sensible solution is to require a specific extension |
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| 19:06.21 | boudiccas | right, i installed the linlibertine ttf fonts by opening nautilus with sudo nautilus, right clicking teh font and viewing it with fontviewer, where you could just install teh font. this is for squeeze and gnome |
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| 19:08.08 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: If you must run GUI programs as root you should be sure to use the sudo wrapper for your desktop. They've changed the names a few times, last I looked it was kdesu ang gsudo. |
| 19:08.20 | taime1 | Pidgin sill not allow me to enable pidgin-libnotify. I'ts just grayed out. The only info I was able to find said that I need at least version 0.14. The version I have 0.14-7. What gives? |
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| 19:10.25 | bent_screwdriver | anyone know why cron would spike to 100% for around a minute every few mintues even when there are NO cron jobs and it doesn't appear to be doing anything (in the logs)? |
| 19:11.32 | squisher | taime1, testing? |
| 19:11.50 | squisher | bent_screwdriver, strace may help if you know a bit of low-level stuff |
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| 19:12.51 | taime1 | squisher: squeeze |
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| 19:13.19 | bent_screwdriver | squisher: ok I'll give it a look. lsof didn't show it to be handling anything so maybe this will help... |
| 19:13.48 | squisher | taime1, squeeze has 0.14-4, so where did you get your newer version from? For what it's worth, it works fine in sid. |
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| 19:14.55 | _stefanos_ | has this link http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA got outdated? |
| 19:15.09 | taime1 | squisher: no idea. i did all my updates |
| 19:15.26 | _stefanos_ | because it says to add some commands in /etc/modprobe.d/sound whereas this file does not exist on my system |
| 19:16.54 | squisher | _stefanos_, the page is almost a year old, so most likely, yes |
| 19:16.59 | _stefanos_ | darn :/ |
| 19:17.09 | squisher | that doesn't mean the rest of it won't work |
| 19:17.19 | squisher | just use sound.conf |
| 19:17.40 | _stefanos_ | it does not exist neither |
| 19:18.29 | squisher | _stefanos_, <!> alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils at 1.0.17-1. From the package changelog: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." |
| 19:18.37 | squisher | that's from the alsaconf wiki page |
| 19:18.47 | _stefanos_ | simplified English? |
| 19:19.15 | squisher | it's pretty much useless today; why do you think you need it? |
| 19:19.17 | boudiccas | jhutchins; i've also found that i can install them as user by right clicking the ttf font and opening font viewer and installing from there. there is no 'gsudo' command nor available in the repos, and neither can i find 'kdesu'. sorry |
| 19:19.46 | _stefanos_ | squisher, whether i need it or not, i care the less; i just want my sound :D |
| 19:20.06 | squisher | _stefanos_, so you just want to reorder your sound cards? |
| 19:20.14 | _stefanos_ | yes please |
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| 19:21.31 | squisher | a little bit of google reveales: http://wiki.birth-online.de/know-how/software/linux/alsa-card-order |
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| 19:21.51 | squisher | just stick those lines, with your modules, in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-order.conf |
| 19:22.00 | _stefanos_ | btw, i have a symbolic link in /etc/modprobe.d/ which is full of blacklisted soundcards |
| 19:22.23 | squisher | as long as the one you're using is not in there, then that shouldn't be an issue :P |
| 19:22.34 | _stefanos_ | no, it's there! |
| 19:22.40 | _stefanos_ | i think both of the |
| 19:22.41 | _stefanos_ | them |
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| 19:23.06 | dvs | _stefanos_: What's the name of the file? |
| 19:23.12 | _stefanos_ | emu10k1 |
| 19:23.17 | _stefanos_ | the main one i use |
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| 19:23.25 | dvs | _stefanos_: the name of that linked file. |
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| 19:24.44 | _stefanos_ | linux-sound-base_noOSS.conf |
| 19:24.56 | dvs | that's for OSS, not alsa |
| 19:25.05 | dvs | snd_emu10k1 is for ALSA |
| 19:25.05 | _stefanos_ | i don't remember having it before |
| 19:25.24 | dvs | ,file linux-sound-base_noOSS.conf |
| 19:25.29 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 19:25.42 | _stefanos_ | so, shall i rename my alsaoptions.conf to alsa-order.conf? |
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| 19:26.30 | squisher | no alsaoptions.conf will do fine |
| 19:26.45 | MDBenson | can anyone lend me a hand with ethernet bridging? |
| 19:26.55 | _stefanos_ | squisher, remember that this file was created by me to reorder my sounds cards. |
| 19:27.19 | squisher | _stefanos_, like I said, it's fine -- all that matters is that it ends in .conf |
| 19:27.23 | squisher | MDBenson, what's your issue? |
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| 19:27.59 | _stefanos_ | yeah but you did not say if it's a new file system, this alsa-order.conf which you suggested |
| 19:28.09 | _stefanos_ | if i do so, will it work? |
| 19:28.11 | MDBenson | squisher: I want to packet bridge 2 LAN NICs, the way you do it in NetBSD, to transmit non-TCP/UDP packets |
| 19:28.43 | MDBenson | The way the /etc/network/interfaces file does it using an ip for the bridge is not what I wany |
| 19:28.46 | MDBenson | *want |
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| 19:29.16 | squisher | bridging in bsd and linux does work a bit differently. Why don't you want an IP on the bridged interface? |
| 19:29.16 | MDBenson | I tried setting one up using brctl andit stoppped both interfaces dead |
| 19:29.46 | MDBenson | squisher: the 2 networks, TCP wise are on separate subnets deliberatly and NAT'd |
| 19:29.55 | MDBenson | they are supposed to be separate |
| 19:30.03 | squisher | _stefanos_, one last time, it does not matter which file you use, as long as the name ends in .conf |
| 19:30.11 | squisher | MDBenson, so why are you bridging then? |
| 19:30.19 | MDBenson | but the 2 LANs both have DECnet traffic running over themn that I *do* wantt o bridge both subnets |
| 19:30.28 | squisher | ah k |
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| 19:30.37 | _stefanos_ | ok, my alsaoptions.conf is not working after re-login on my system |
| 19:30.48 | MDBenson | in NetBSD you just packet bridge them and it works - TCP/IP stays separated and DECnet bridges |
| 19:30.55 | MDBenson | in Debian it is crazy :P |
| 19:31.31 | squisher | MDBenson, well, I do think it makes sense that when you bridge, you bridge everything |
| 19:31.42 | ompaul | MDBenson: if you know how to do it, why are you asking? (just wondering) |
| 19:31.42 | squisher | it's supposed to be at the ethernet layer after all |
| 19:32.11 | MDBenson | ompaul: I am not asking how to do it, I asked for help to see if Debian will do what I want |
| 19:32.12 | _stefanos_ | MDBenson, i have found this article from wiki pages http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 19:32.18 | _stefanos_ | have you tried it? :/ |
| 19:32.29 | MDBenson | _stefanos_I did that, that is not what I want |
| 19:32.35 | _stefanos_ | ah i see |
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| 19:33.06 | _aeris_ | sney > fyi, i found the problem |
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| 19:33.22 | _aeris_ | env | grep GREP_OPTION |
| 19:33.22 | _aeris_ | 34:GREP_OPTIONS=--color=auto -ns --exclude-dir=.cvs --exclude-dir=.git --exclude-dir=.hg --exclude-dir=.svn |
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| 19:33.25 | MDBenson | Okay here's the rub. This setup is a network appliance that, TCP/IP wise is supposed to be an isolated internal LAN so external DHCP etc. doesn't effect it |
| 19:33.37 | squisher | MDBenson, I _think_ it won't work like that, unless you stick i.e. firewall rules in there, but it'll probably be messy |
| 19:33.37 | _aeris_ | just unset this env var and modpost is OK ! |
| 19:34.02 | _stefanos_ | oh man networks :S |
| 19:34.09 | Olipro | is there a known issue in Squeeze with chrooted postfix and IPv6 PTR lookups? |
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| 19:34.23 | _stefanos_ | you reminded me the old nightmarish days of FreeBSD servers at work! |
| 19:34.29 | MDBenson | squisher: how sad - a bridge is supposed to be a phyisical packet bridge, connecting 2 subnets should be left to iptables and NAT routing :( |
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| 19:34.53 | MDBenson | (which I already set up) |
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| 19:35.27 | MDBenson | never mind |
| 19:35.32 | MDBenson | thanks for the help anyway |
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| 19:35.51 | MDBenson | have a good evening/day wherever youare |
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| 19:36.23 | _stefanos_ | squisher, so...what am i supposed to do buddy? |
| 19:36.59 | squisher | _stefanos_, pastebin the file, and also pastebin the output of "modprobe -r $YOURMODULE; modprobe -v $YOURMODULE' |
| 19:37.24 | _stefanos_ | modprobe -r...what module?! |
| 19:37.35 | squisher | your sound card module |
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| 19:39.09 | _stefanos_ | FATAL: Module snd_emu10k1 is in use. |
| 19:39.15 | _stefanos_ | the second command returns nothing |
| 19:39.31 | ranix | hey guys, how do I remount a mounted root filesystem as read-only? |
| 19:39.42 | squisher | _stefanos_, ok, you may need to log out of your gui and run this from the console |
| 19:39.52 | squisher | it'll show you if your options are indeed applied or not |
| 19:39.53 | dkr | ranix: mount -o remount,ro / |
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| 19:40.16 | ranix | dkr: the filesystem is, obviously, in use and that just gives "/: is busy" or similar |
| 19:40.32 | _stefanos_ | i logged out once, shall i try again with the command this time and it will work, or shall i restart? |
| 19:40.51 | squisher | _stefanos_, just try it |
| 19:40.54 | _stefanos_ | ok |
| 19:40.55 | _stefanos_ | brb |
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| 19:41.53 | dkr | ranix: errors=remount-ro and cause an error somehow? |
| 19:42.32 | hell_razer | how to set in wheezy something like UTC=no, or HWCLOCK=localtime |
| 19:42.56 | simonlnu | /etc/default/rcS |
| 19:43.05 | dvs | hell_razer: edit the third line if /etc/adjtime |
| 19:43.08 | dvs | simonlnu: no |
| 19:43.31 | simonlnu | no? |
| 19:43.37 | dvs | not in wheezy |
| 19:43.52 | hell_razer | i have tried /etc/default/rcS - no effetct |
| 19:44.01 | simonlnu | meh |
| 19:44.09 | simonlnu | what have they done? |
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| 19:44.15 | hell_razer | dvs, chane UTC to LOCALTIME or comment it? |
| 19:44.29 | themill | simonlnu: #UTC=yes # OBSOLETE; see /etc/adjtime and hwclock(8). |
| 19:44.33 | dvs | hell_razer: Change UTC to LOCAL |
| 19:44.49 | hell_razer | dvs, thnx |
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| 19:45.12 | dvs | np |
| 19:45.15 | simonlnu | themill: obsolete according to who? ;) |
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| 19:45.45 | _stefanos_ | squisher, thanks |
| 19:45.59 | _stefanos_ | now it works, even with a warning sign during boot |
| 19:46.04 | themill | simonlnu: the people who maintain the base system. This was all done as part of /run about a year ago |
| 19:46.42 | squisher | _stefanos_, ok, great. If you ever need to debug some module load options again, remember that modprobe -v will show you what options are used while loading the module |
| 19:46.49 | themill | simonlnu: (initscripts maintainers) |
| 19:47.01 | squisher | only caveat is that it has to be unloaded, hence the logout req. since your DE seems to keep the sound open |
| 19:47.43 | simonlnu | themill: there's a better mechanism for this stuff now? |
| 19:47.55 | _stefanos_ | squisher, thanks a million ;) |
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| 19:50.27 | themill | simonlnu: some of the magic variables in rcS have more sensible homes now, yes |
| 19:50.59 | simonlnu | cool, so they didn't suddenly go insane and do something silly |
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| 19:51.45 | themill | simonlnu: of course not. The initscripts maintainer is very cautious and very careful about such things and such changes are always discussed at length on d-devel in advance too |
| 19:52.59 | squisher | _stefanos_, you're welcome |
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| 19:54.14 | simonlnu | themill: that i do know from seeing the end results :). just requires some adjustment from the admin side. ;) |
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| 19:56.14 | simonlnu | and yeh, whomever the maint is, he's done a good job |
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| 20:02.20 | aleale97 | hi all :D |
| 20:04.02 | Iridos | judd, versions openbabel |
| 20:04.03 | judd | Package: openbabel on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.0-2; squeeze: 2.2.3-1+b1; sid: 2.3.1+dfsg-4; wheezy: 2.3.1+dfsg-4 |
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| 20:08.48 | aleale97 | can i install two grub in two different drive to boot the first and the second partition separately? |
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| 20:10.07 | squisher | aleale97, yes that works |
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| 20:10.15 | squisher | chainload +1, or something similar for grub2 |
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| 20:25.17 | jhutchins_wk | alive: You can use the BIOS to switch boot drives. |
| 20:25.36 | jhutchins_wk | alive: Or you can just use grub on the default boot drive to load either drive's OS. |
| 20:25.49 | jhutchins_wk | Sigh. Sorry. |
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| 20:30.09 | osfd_ | Hi there. Any chance to get xfce4.10 in squeeze ? |
| 20:30.16 | osfd_ | backports ? |
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| 20:33.30 | squisher | osfd_, one of the maintainers used to have a private repo for newer xfce releases |
| 20:33.37 | squisher | I'm not sure if he's still doing that though |
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| 20:40.55 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions xfce |
| 20:40.57 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in i386. |
| 20:41.00 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions xfce4 |
| 20:41.01 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 20:41.26 | wooy | hi, what version for vmware? |
| 20:42.13 | jhutchins_wk | osfd_: Looks like experimental will trickle into sid, but that probably won't make it into wheezy due to the freeze, so you've probably got at least six months before it's available. |
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| 20:54.40 | sungetzu | Hi guys. I'm having some trouble with nvidia-drivers on debian. Here's my xorg log, any suggestions? http://pastebin.com/ycHiC5kQ |
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| 20:56.20 | gnarface | sungetzu: debian version? |
| 20:56.39 | cortman | sungetzu, can you get a tty and manually load the module with modprobe? |
| 20:56.43 | sungetzu | squeeze, kernel isn't customized |
| 20:57.43 | sungetzu | I can get a tty, yes. I'm not sure which modules i should use neither |
| 20:58.17 | jhutchins_wk | !kms |
| 20:58.17 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 20:58.30 | sungetzu | I'm guessing I'm using the wrong user-libraries, or wrong drivers; which is causing the problem |
| 20:58.35 | sungetzu | idk though, lost patience |
| 20:58.48 | sungetzu | lol |
| 20:58.53 | gnarface | sungetzu: you're fully updated? |
| 20:58.55 | jhutchins_wk | sungetzu: The xorg driver/module is not finding the kernel module/driver. You can check dmesg for related messages, or if you haven't enabled the kernel module yet do that. |
| 20:58.57 | sungetzu | I have a tty-up atm |
| 20:59.34 | jhutchins_wk | sungetzu: It's a really clear error. |
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| 21:00.31 | sungetzu | So there's no reason to uninstall unnecessary modules/drivers |
| 21:00.33 | sungetzu | ? |
| 21:00.37 | gnarface | sungetzu: where did you get your nvidia drivers? did you have an old version lying around? |
| 21:00.52 | gnarface | sungetzu: if you have the current version of X and the drivers from the repo, it should work... |
| 21:01.17 | gnarface | Please check your |
| 21:01.17 | gnarface | (EE) NVIDIA: system's kernel log for additional error messages. |
| 21:01.19 | sungetzu | Got them off the package repository on debain |
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| 21:01.36 | gnarface | sungetzu: wrong version for that card perhaps? check the kernel log? |
| 21:02.37 | gnarface | sungetzu: see, it says right in the error to check the kernel log... you gotta know to just do that when you are trying to fix stuff |
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| 21:07.14 | squisher | hm, can apt-cache or some utility show me what release a package is coming from? |
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| 21:08.10 | simonlnu | sort of, apt-cach policy foo [ bar baz] |
| 21:08.29 | fabiobik | im connected trough ssh to my machine. ive shutdown -r and now my webcam not appears |
| 21:08.34 | simonlnu | or leave off the foo args |
| 21:08.38 | squisher | simonlnu, that's what I was looking for, thanks |
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| 21:08.47 | fabiobik | how to refresh the devices conected in usb? |
| 21:09.14 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: IIRC http://workaround.org had something interesting |
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| 21:09.55 | squisher | fabiobik, usually that's handled by hotplug |
| 21:10.08 | simonlnu | fabiobik: unplug and replug? ;) |
| 21:10.26 | sungetzu | what am i looking for in syslog? |
| 21:10.33 | fabiobik | im not near the machine? |
| 21:10.38 | fabiobik | connected via ssh? |
| 21:11.07 | squisher | fabiobik, what does dmesg say? Nothing? Any usb errors? Any upgrades before the reboot? |
| 21:11.57 | fabiobik | squisher, http://pastebin.com/F69m1j8z |
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| 21:12.43 | gnarface | sungetzu: probably anything with the string 'nv' in it (case insensetive) |
| 21:12.51 | simonlnu | i was kidding (see the wink? :) |
| 21:13.57 | squisher | fabiobik, nothing unusual... does lspci list it? |
| 21:14.01 | fabiobik | i want to hotplug via terminal |
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| 21:14.28 | sungetzu | 'nouveau 0000:01:00.0: Detected an NV50 generation card (0x094100a1)' |
| 21:14.50 | sungetzu | do you think, it's using nouveau instead of nv? |
| 21:15.11 | fabiobik | squisher, is not any command ro refresh usb? to simulate the hotplug or something? |
| 21:16.13 | squisher | fabiobik, no clue, google it. lspci may still be helpful though |
| 21:16.31 | gnarface | sungetzu: no the xorg log says otherwise, but what you're looking for would have printed when you tried to start X, so look for something with a timestamp around then... or failing that just tail -f the thing while you try to start X again? |
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| 21:18.14 | fabiobik | squisher, the command you gave me not works |
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| 21:18.41 | squisher | fabiobik, you probably don't have the required package installed then |
| 21:18.48 | squisher | ,files lsusb |
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| 21:19.46 | squisher | fabiobik, usbutils |
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| 21:21.15 | bent_screwdriver | bent |
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| 21:22.54 | sungetzu | I'm using a display-manager. Oh, and turns out i was wrong about having a tty availible. I can't even get a prompt after the bootstrapper has loaded. Just a small resolution; followed by a black screen with a flashing hyphen |
| 21:23.24 | sungetzu | sorry for the hassle :/ |
| 21:24.22 | sungetzu | So I'm having to mount my live-cd and grab the logs of the pre-partiton |
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| 21:26.55 | sungetzu | want me to paste my syslog? |
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| 21:31.50 | Ono-Sendai | hi |
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| 21:49.03 | tuv | how do i report a bug against linux (kernel)? i can run reportbug for a specific version, but looking at the bug tracker, most bugs are reported against the 'linux' source package. i'm afraid no one will look at my report if i file it against a specific kernel, e.g. linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 |
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| 21:52.21 | ManoftheSea | tuv, what bug would you be asking to file? |
| 21:52.30 | ManoftheSea | Not that I have an answer for you, just interested. |
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| 21:54.12 | tuv | ManoftheSea: on one machine, 3.2.0-{2,3} cause it to keep rebooting itself every few hours with no other symptoms. nothing unusual in the logs. downgrading to 3.2.0-1 resolved the issue |
| 21:54.43 | BronzeEagle | http://pastebin.com/p9kcfEpk any time I run aptitude install I get this error |
| 21:55.16 | tuv | ManoftheSea: i even tried reinstalling using the latest testing debian-installer. the installer reboots fairly early in the process. then i tried installing stable, which went through just fine |
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| 21:55.41 | ManoftheSea | It's going to be a lean bug report. |
| 21:55.54 | ManoftheSea | Architecture? System? |
| 21:57.11 | tuv | amd64 desktop. xeon X3440 cpu |
| 21:57.26 | tuv | custom system |
| 21:58.50 | tuv | will be back in a bit |
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| 22:03.58 | BronzeEagle | http://pastebin.com/p9kcfEpk any time I run aptitude install I get this error |
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| 22:06.16 | kale | i have a debian lenny. now what do i upgrade that to? |
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| 22:07.31 | ManoftheSea | lenny to squeeze |
| 22:07.40 | kale | ManoftheSea: great thanks |
| 22:07.49 | BronzeEagle | kale: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the "lenny" to "sqeeze" and then aptitude update && aptitude upgrade followed with aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 22:09.03 | themill | BronzeEagle: no |
| 22:09.06 | fabiobik | ive shutdown -f via ssh |
| 22:09.11 | themill | kale: please follow the release notes for it |
| 22:09.15 | fabiobik | and now i cant connect it via ssh port 22: Connection refused |
| 22:09.16 | themill | dpkg: tell kale about lenny->squeeze |
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| 22:16.32 | wooy | my debian does not ask dhcp server with his hostname :( |
| 22:17.04 | nkuttler | wooy: huh? |
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| 22:17.48 | fabiobik | ive shutdown -f via ssh |
| 22:17.51 | fabiobik | and now i cant connect it via ssh port 22: Connection refused |
| 22:18.03 | themill | wooy: squeeze? |
| 22:18.05 | fabiobik | do i have something i can do? |
| 22:18.10 | wooy | its supposed to ask dhcp server and also provide hostname, so the dhcp server knows it (and can add it to dns) |
| 22:18.53 | nkuttler | fabiobik: use -r next time? |
| 22:19.01 | themill | wooy: you can add «send host-name "foo";» to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
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| 22:19.22 | wooy | perfect, that sounds like want i need. thx |
| 22:19.24 | fabiobik | nkuttler, nice one nkuttler |
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| 22:32.43 | rataxis | How do you suggest clearing/cleaning the lungs of soot from smoke inhalation? |
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| 22:33.04 | rataxis | My chest feels irritated and if the smoke left a thin layer of soot on everything, I imagine it did so in my lungs as well. |
| 22:36.42 | kriger | maybe the steam from a hot shower might help break it up so you can cough it out |
| 22:37.57 | ManoftheSea | rataxis: apt-get cough-it-out |
| 22:38.06 | ManoftheSea | debian? |
| 22:38.20 | themill | points to #defocus |
| 22:38.31 | rataxis | Manothesea, Realistically, coughing isn't going to remove soot from the lungs. |
| 22:38.38 | rataxis | Have you tried cleaning soot off a basic surface? |
| 22:39.12 | ManoftheSea | rataxis: no, coughing removes the mucus that removes soot. |
| 22:39.16 | ManoftheSea | Hope you have cilia |
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| 22:39.46 | rataxis | Manothesea, I don't have a great urge to productively cough. I just feel a nagging irritating there. |
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| 22:44.17 | bolt | I have a machine on which I use the motherboard's graphics card, but it only has HDMI out and I have a DVI screen on it, so I use an adapter. Problem is that if I unplug and re-plug the monitor while the machine is running, the image never comes back. The monitor has to be on and connected when the machine powers on. Any way to re-initialize the display? |
| 22:44.27 | bolt | Restarting xorg didn't do it |
| 22:44.44 | jelly-home | bolt: which video driver? |
| 22:45.07 | bolt | jelly-home: i actually forgot how to tell... |
| 22:45.09 | jelly-home | if restarting the X server does not help, there's probably little that can be done |
| 22:45.43 | jelly-home | bolt: pastebin the whole of your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and the output of "xrandr -q" command |
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| 22:49.20 | bolt | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/181396/ and ttp://paste.debian.net/181397/ |
| 22:49.30 | bolt | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/181396/ and http://paste.debian.net/181397/ |
| 22:50.25 | bolt | (ignore the kvm switch messages, it was never connected to the screen. usb only. was just testing it earlier) |
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| 22:50.58 | jelly-home | bolt: old xorg, new intel board ... try using the kernel and xorg from squeeze-backports |
| 22:51.12 | jelly-home | bolt: /msg dpkg bdo kernel ; /msg dpkg bdo xorg |
| 22:52.23 | jelly-home | the log shows vesa driver, the fallback, is used; xrandr output shows it not having any RandR support, thus no way to detect and switch outputs on/off on the fly |
| 22:52.49 | bolt | but shouldn't the output then be stuck on, since it was on when the machine booted? |
| 22:53.22 | jelly-home | no, then it does whatever its BIOS is configured to do |
| 22:53.34 | bolt | right |
| 22:53.47 | bolt | well i'll give backports a shot then. thanks. |
| 22:53.49 | jelly-home | which usually means "initialize outputs only at power-on/reboot time" |
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| 22:58.57 | vixus | Hi, I'm trying to get an rtl8187 usb wifi device working. |
| 22:59.09 | vixus | I've installed rtl8187 drivers via compat-wireless |
| 22:59.14 | vixus | They're loaded as modules |
| 22:59.21 | vixus | but the dongle still doesn't work |
| 22:59.32 | vixus | Are there any steps I'm missing out? |
| 22:59.43 | vixus | There is no wlan0 device under ifconfig. |
| 23:00.33 | bolt | has the kernel version for wheezy been set in stone? if i'm going with backports anyway, i'd like to use the one wheezy is going to use |
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| 23:02.14 | bolt | I assume it's 3.2 something? |
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| 23:05.04 | somiaj | bolt: not set in stone, but unless there is a major reason to change it has been frozen. |
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| 23:05.33 | somiaj | so most likely it will be what ever version is there now + bug/security/feature patches backported to it. |
| 23:05.48 | djahandarie | Hey folks. I'm currently on a debian system, and I'd like to install debian (and grub) on a new harddrive I just got. Is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstall#Install_from_within_an_existing_system the right thing to follow? |
| 23:06.28 | somiaj | djahandarie: do you want to reinstall or copy over your current install? |
| 23:06.38 | vixus | am I voiced? |
| 23:06.45 | djahandarie | I don't want to touch my current install, I'd like the new one to be entirely seperate, on the new drive. |
| 23:06.54 | somiaj | djahandarie: but yes using debootstrap will work (though if you prefer not to do a lot of stuff manually I'd just suggesting using a usb installer) |
| 23:07.37 | djahandarie | Alright, thanks. |
| 23:07.41 | somiaj | but debootstrap is fairly straight forward. Major issue is chrooting into the system and seting up grub and the kernel |
| 23:08.00 | djahandarie | Should be fun :) |
| 23:08.16 | somiaj | that's a good attitude to have. (: |
| 23:09.13 | djahandarie | Hmm, to throw an extra wrench into the works, I actually want to do this on software raid 1 across two new drives |
| 23:09.25 | djahandarie | Would I need to install mdadm on my existing system to do that? |
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| 23:21.26 | frostschutz | djahandarie: if you want to install from the existing system rather than from a live cd - yes |
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| 23:25.10 | savior | WOOOOO GENTOOOO |
| 23:25.15 | savior | rips off his clothes |
| 23:25.18 | savior | WOOO GENTOO |
| 23:25.21 | savior | YOU CANT CATCH ME |
| 23:25.23 | savior | WOOOOOO |
| 23:25.37 | savior | runs around the room, dick flopping about |
| 23:25.38 | ManoftheSea | what |
| 23:25.39 | ManoftheSea | the |
| 23:25.40 | savior | WOOOOOO |
| 23:25.42 | ManoftheSea | what? |
| 23:25.43 | savior | WOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 23:25.43 | alazare619 | wooooo savior |
| 23:25.45 | alazare619 | troll! |
| 23:25.46 | savior | EMACS, BITCHES |
| 23:25.49 | savior | GENTOOOOO |
| 23:25.51 | savior | YEAAAAHHH |
| 23:25.55 | ManoftheSea | punches savior in the tiny balls |
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| 23:25.59 | alazare619 | get some banage! |
| 23:26.00 | McLovin926 | oh goodie, a dip shit |
| 23:26.14 | McLovin926 | and then he's gone |
| 23:26.26 | McLovin926 | moreoff |
| 23:26.32 | ManoftheSea | winrar! |
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| 23:44.50 | snarkpit | Hey, I was trying to follow instructions on setting a desktop background in xmonad, but I realised I don't have a ~/.xsession. Is this file unnecesary because of gdm or what? |
| 23:48.27 | nkuttler | snarkpit: there's something like sessions gdm/kdm etc can use |
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| 23:50.30 | Tramp | snarkpit: I'd say it's rather "optional" than "unnecessary" |
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| 23:50.55 | snarkpit | Gotcha. Thanks. |
| 23:51.09 | simonlnu | i like having one, personally. lets you set up stuff the way you want. |
| 23:54.17 | snarkpit | Yeah, I'm in the process of switching over to xmonad, so I'll need it. What would the process of getting rid of gdm be? Obviously I'd need to write a .xsession file to point to my wm. Is that it though? |
| 23:54.56 | squisher | snarkpit, you don't have to get rid of gdm just to use xmonad |
| 23:54.59 | squisher | just FYI |
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| 23:55.48 | snarkpit | Oh I know. I'm using it right now. But I want to change its startup options and stuff. |
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| 23:56.13 | nkuttler | snarkpit: you want to use the "X session" or whatever it's called |
| 23:56.27 | nkuttler | is a happy xdm user |
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| 23:57.38 | whatisRT | i've just installed bumblebee from suwako rep. on wheezy. I notice that now, after the reboot, i have installed as default kernel the -rt version. is that normal? is RT kernel essential to use bumblebee? |
| 23:57.42 | whatisRT | (hi) |
| 23:58.01 | squisher | whatisRT, afaik no |
| 23:58.04 | whatisRT | kernel is 3.2.0-3-rt-amd64 |
| 23:58.09 | squisher | but it probably doesn't hurt you ;-) |
| 23:58.17 | whatisRT | squisher: do you use bumblebee ? |
| 23:58.31 | squisher | yeah |
| 23:58.55 | ManoftheSea | whatisBumblebee? |
| 23:59.12 | squisher | ManoftheSea, tool to switch discrete graphics on/off in a laptop |
| 23:59.26 | pparadis | http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |