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| 03:12.55 | gnarface | ner0x: (probably) |
| 03:13.05 | gnarface | ner0x: recommend you at least *connect* all the speakers |
| 03:13.14 | ner0x | gnarface: The speakers run from the sub. |
| 03:13.21 | gnarface | oh ok |
| 03:13.24 | mparodi | argh, but actually I don't have one u.u |
| 03:14.05 | ner0x | gnarface: Yeah, sub works fine. Ask my neighbors since it's 11:08. :-) |
| 03:14.06 | gnarface | mparodi: -f -N should allow you to just establish a connection after being prompted for a password. the password prompt may hose you without -f |
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| 03:14.45 | ner0x | gnarface: Thanks for the input. |
| 03:14.50 | gnarface | ner0x: no problem |
| 03:15.37 | gnarface | mparodi: ssh tunnel connections are always initialized from the local machine to the remote machine. all L and R change is what direction the traffic goes |
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| 03:16.03 | gnarface | mparodi: i realize the man page is somewhat confusing on this, but you have read it, right? |
| 03:16.04 | mparodi | -N change that, doesn't it? |
| 03:16.38 | gnarface | mparodi: no -N just omits running a command immediately after connection, since sometimes you just want to open a tunnel |
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| 03:17.59 | mparodi | ok, I'm confused. it's not working |
| 03:18.07 | mparodi | and it's not asking me for a password |
| 03:18.18 | mparodi | I think I tried with all the combinations of -N and -f |
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| 03:18.46 | gnarface | mparodi: ssh -f -N -L $PORT:127.0.0.1:$PORT user@remotehost |
| 03:19.47 | gnarface | mparodi: for example, this command opens a tunnel that sends data from the local machine to the remote host. -R to bring traffic back from the remote host to the local machine |
| 03:20.15 | gnarface | mparodi: -v for verbose mode (which may be useful for silent failures) |
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| 03:21.04 | gnarface | mparodi: also, successfully opening the tunnel with this command will look at first glance like a silent failure, except you will see the ssh process still running though, and you'll be able to send traffic through the tunnel |
| 03:22.07 | mparodi | ok, I think I got it. let me try again |
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| 03:25.25 | gnarface | good luck |
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| 03:38.49 | mparodi | no way, I'm doing something wrong... |
| 03:40.03 | gnarface | possibly. after running the command does the ssh process still show up as running in ps ? |
| 03:42.39 | mparodi | 1) I ssh to server1 (I didn't have to provide the password since my pub key is there) 2) I executed in server1: ssh -f -N -L 1234:localhost:22 server2 (I put the password and it gave me the prompt again, I checked ssh is still running in ps) 3) I tried to connect to server2 directly from my computer executing ssh server2 -p 1234 |
| 03:42.52 | mparodi | ssh: connect to host server1 port 1234: Network is unreachable |
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| 03:44.26 | gnarface | mparodi: change 22 to 1234 as well and try again |
| 03:44.39 | gnarface | mparodi: i think also you need -R to be -L in that case |
| 03:45.05 | gnarface | mparodi: note you'll have to kill the old one first and binding to ports below 1024 is only allowed by the root user |
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| 03:47.24 | gnarface | mparodi: oh wait hmm. actually if you aren't trying to pass data, if you're jsut trying to ssh maybe you had that right except -L needed to be -R |
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| 03:48.11 | gnarface | mparodi: but since 22 is below 1024 that may still require root access |
| 03:48.39 | gnarface | mparodi: you may want to just try opening a tunnel from 1234 on one machine to 1234 on the other first to see if you can pass data through it |
| 03:49.12 | mparodi | how do I check that? |
| 03:50.50 | gnarface | mparodi: ideally with something simple that can pipe arbitrary data through network ports. typically i test with something like nc or vlc |
| 03:52.43 | bobdobalina | Is there an updated compatible hardware list? |
| 03:54.17 | Dan39 | ok im back, any new gurus in here tonight? i am trying to shrink sda3 partition and add new sda4. i have already used resize2fs to shrink ext4 fs /dev/sda3: clean, 26640/110428160 files, 161694613/441712640 blocks. i am trying to shrink the sda3 partition now, but fdisk is acting weird, here is console log: http://pastie.org/pastes/4372614/text |
| 03:54.41 | mparodi | done, gnarface! |
| 03:54.44 | mparodi | thank you |
| 03:55.00 | mparodi | the problem was a misunderstanding of how it works |
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| 03:55.51 | Dan39 | when trying to create the new sda3, i enter the end sector, but it wants to stop it at 1024 GB instead of where i tell it :| |
| 03:55.56 | mparodi | what I had to execute (in my computer) was: ssh -N -L 122:server2:22 server1 |
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| 03:56.16 | gnarface | mparodi: no problem. i'm sympathetic to that because the man page description does lack the necessary context for anyone who has never actually seen a working example |
| 03:56.35 | rgenito | i typed "ifconfig" on debian squeeze, and it tells me command not found... |
| 03:56.41 | rgenito | ...is that something i need to apt-get install??? :( |
| 03:56.44 | Dan39 | try with sudo? |
| 03:56.49 | gnarface | rgenito: no its in /sbin, which is only in root's path by default |
| 03:56.51 | Dan39 | or as root.. |
| 03:56.55 | rgenito | ooooh |
| 03:56.57 | LtL | rgenito: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:56.58 | rgenito | doh |
| 03:56.58 | gnarface | Dan39: you can just run it as your own user |
| 03:57.08 | rgenito | aight lemme sudo that... thanks! :D |
| 03:57.16 | rgenito | i'm coming from ubuntu, so some extra lil learning going on :) |
| 03:57.18 | LtL | rgenito: no sudo needed |
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| 03:57.50 | f0x90_ | allo |
| 03:57.52 | gnarface | rgenito: lots of the /sbin commands can still be run in read-only mode by a normal user even though they're only in root's path by default. |
| 03:57.55 | Dan39 | ooo its LtL again |
| 03:57.58 | Dan39 | LtL: any new ideas for me? |
| 03:58.02 | LtL | rgenito: unless of course you're changing something via ifconfig |
| 03:58.15 | LtL | Dan39: i wish i did dan |
| 03:58.47 | Dan39 | think i should grow the fs back to end of HDD in sda3, and then just use parted to shrink partition+fs? |
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| 04:00.04 | Dan39 | problem is im scared parted is going to do same thing it did before and create sda3 starting at the 4K sector and mess it up even worse |
| 04:00.12 | rgenito | hmmm |
| 04:00.23 | Dan39 | but good news is i backed up some of the important stuff :P |
| 04:00.34 | rgenito | ah ok, so now i do have the IP address for my local network |
| 04:00.36 | rgenito | but: ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.72 port 22: Connection refused |
| 04:00.38 | rgenito | :( |
| 04:00.42 | rgenito | oh well, time to google! |
| 04:01.15 | sney | ssh is not installed by default, rgenito. do you have the 'openssh-server' package installed? |
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| 04:02.15 | Dan39 | hmmm |
| 04:02.54 | Dan39 | LtL: im thinking maybe fdisk will actually create it where i want, but because of bug it is displaying smaller... "he number 2,147,483,647 is also the maximum value for a 32-bit signed integer in computing" |
| 04:02.59 | mparodi | I didn't get one last thing |
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| 04:03.26 | fabio | hello guys ive forgot my root password |
| 04:03.50 | fabio | and im trying at grub menu do this init=/dev/bash |
| 04:04.06 | mparodi | does "ssh -N -L 1222:server2:22 server1" mean "forward everything from server1:1222 to server2:22? |
| 04:04.06 | fabio | but when i try to change the password gives me a error |
| 04:04.22 | mparodi | in that case where's the tunnel? from my computer to server1 or from server1 to server2? |
| 04:04.29 | LtL | fabio: init=/bin/bash |
| 04:04.35 | mparodi | I'm asking because the process is running in my computer, but somehow it works! |
| 04:04.41 | fabio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:04.53 | fabio | LtL, gives me that error |
| 04:04.56 | mparodi | gnarface, what's your opinion? |
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| 04:05.13 | LtL | Dan39: I can't figure out what's wrong with that hdd partitioning. |
| 04:05.48 | fabio | LtL, yes ive writed dev but its bin but still not work |
| 04:06.25 | Dan39 | heh |
| 04:06.26 | gnarface | mparodi: its possible you've run a tunnel from two remote points through your own local machine. |
| 04:06.53 | gnarface | mparodi: start the command ON one of the remote machines if you don't want that |
| 04:07.17 | mparodi | ok but in this case what's what I have to execute? |
| 04:07.31 | mparodi | ssh -N -L 1222:localhost:22 server1 |
| 04:07.32 | mparodi | ? |
| 04:07.40 | mparodi | err |
| 04:07.43 | fabio | LtL, not work |
| 04:07.45 | mparodi | ssh -N -L 1222:localhost:22 server2 |
| 04:07.46 | mparodi | ssh -N -L 1222:localhost:22 server1 ^ |
| 04:08.03 | mparodi | argh, I'm sorry, I copied it wrong |
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| 04:08.17 | mparodi | I meant: "ssh -N -L 1222:localhost:22 server2" if I execute that in server1 |
| 04:08.29 | mparodi | let's see, I'll try |
| 04:08.34 | fabio | hello guys ive forgot my root password |
| 04:08.40 | fabio | but when i try to change the password gives me a error |
| 04:08.45 | gnarface | mparodi: that command or the same thing with -R instead of -L |
| 04:08.46 | fabio | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.03 | LtL | fabio: try init=/bin/sh but theres more you need to do which i seem to forget |
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| 04:09.58 | sney | !forgot root password |
| 04:09.58 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 04:12.35 | gnarface | mparodi: i think from what it sounds like you're saying you want to run this on server2 to be able to ssh to server1 and have it tunnel through to server2: ssh -f -N -R 1234:localhost:22 server1 |
| 04:13.08 | gnarface | mparodi: make sure to turn off the old tunnel first or it could get in the way |
| 04:13.20 | fabio | GIVES ME ERROR AGAIN |
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| 04:13.54 | fabio | /bin/sh can't access tty; job control turned off |
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| 04:13.58 | fabio | sney, |
| 04:14.16 | mparodi | no, what I wanted to achieve was what it does when I execute on MY computer "ssh -L 1222:server2:22 server1" |
| 04:14.26 | mparodi | I'm just trying to understand why it works, gnarface |
| 04:14.27 | sney | fabio: then do it with bash and do those other steps as well. |
| 04:14.38 | fabio | ... |
| 04:14.44 | mparodi | because it doesn't make much sense to me :| |
| 04:14.47 | mparodi | but it wokrs! |
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| 04:16.45 | gnarface | mparodi: any ssh command is of the form: [command] [source] [target] where both source or target can be either local or remote. it IS possible to have two remote points. simple as that. |
| 04:17.18 | mparodi | I can understand why if it's possible to be read as "listen on my computer on port 1222 and forward to server2:22 relative to server1 (ie, using the connection created from my computer to server1)" |
| 04:17.29 | gnarface | mparodi: similarly its possible to use scp to copy stuff around your filesystem without any network-level connections by simply specifying two local points (though its not very useful) |
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| 04:18.19 | Dan39 | parted just seems so retarded with its units, who would actually create/change partitions wit units like GB that are rounded hugely |
| 04:18.23 | mparodi | but the weird thing is that 1222 is an open port in my computer, not in server1 |
| 04:18.44 | gnarface | that does seem weird, but are you sure its not open on both? |
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| 04:19.00 | mparodi | I was expecting to be able to do "ssh -p 1222 server1" instead |
| 04:19.05 | youlysses | Dan39: I'm pretty sure you can be more percise ... |
| 04:19.32 | Dan39 | yea i can if i knew that more precise numbers were |
| 04:19.32 | mparodi | gnarface, I don't know if it's open in both but one thing is sure, it wokred with ssh -p 1222 localhost from my computer |
| 04:19.45 | mparodi | so it's at least opened here |
| 04:20.45 | gnarface | mparodi: ssh is like magic |
| 04:20.57 | gnarface | mparodi: try not to singe your beard |
| 04:21.15 | Dan39 | f' it im just gonna go all out and let parted do its thing. resize filesystem back to full size and then shrink partition+fs with parted |
| 04:21.21 | Dan39 | LtL: think it will turn out well? |
| 04:21.34 | mparodi | hehe |
| 04:21.41 | mparodi | well, thank you. it's working after all! gnarface |
| 04:21.53 | LtL | Dan39: with fdisk i'm doubtful. |
| 04:21.59 | Dan39 | parted.. |
| 04:22.56 | LtL | Dan39: something seems to throw it off and i can't understand why |
| 04:23.14 | Dan39 | its something with a limit somewheres |
| 04:23.21 | gnarface | mparodi: just keep playing with it you'll figure it out. if you're not familiar with nmap you may want to check that out as a tool for querying which ports are open on which ip addresses |
| 04:23.32 | Dan39 | thats number that its ending at, is the exact size limit for 32 bit integers :P |
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| 04:25.46 | Dan39 | o well |
| 04:25.52 | Dan39 | here it goes... resizing AGAIN |
| 04:26.02 | simonlnu | gl |
| 04:26.06 | LtL | Dan39: resizing seems to be the last resort, g'luck |
| 04:26.33 | Dan39 | Resizing the filesystem on /dev/sda3 to 482746645 (4k) blocks. |
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| 04:27.24 | Dan39 | The filesystem on /dev/sda3 is now 482746645 blocks long. |
| 04:27.34 | Dan39 | running a check again... |
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| 04:28.17 | rgenito | *sigh*, well this is annoying |
| 04:28.28 | Dan39 | gooood |
| 04:28.34 | Dan39 | now lets see parted do its magic |
| 04:28.53 | rgenito | why would a default installation of debian 6 ... followed by apt-get install openssh-server ... why would this tell me "ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.72 port 22: Connection refused" when i try to remote in? |
| 04:29.12 | Dan39 | shitttt i remember why i didnt just use parted... it was refusing to work on this fs because of some feature it had |
| 04:29.40 | Dan39 | LtL: do you know how to list the features that a filesystem currently has? i googled but wasnt finding anything relevant |
| 04:29.54 | sney | rgenito: 'service ssh start' |
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| 04:30.10 | rgenito | hmmm |
| 04:30.13 | rgenito | lemme see :D thanks sney |
| 04:30.23 | gnarface | Dan39: what's the specific complaint? you may just be missing the appropriate filesystem tools |
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| 04:30.29 | LtL | Dan39: i would be googling myself. |
| 04:30.30 | sney | it should start on its own, but if it's failing to start for some reason that'll give you an error message |
| 04:31.11 | Dan39 | i am trying to shrink sda3 partition and add new sda4. i have already used resize2fs to shrink ext4 fs /dev/sda3: clean, 26640/110428160 files, 161694613/441712640 blocks. i am trying to shrink the sda3 partition now, but fdisk is acting weird, here is console log: http://pastie.org/pastes/4372614/text |
| 04:31.17 | rgenito | oh sweet... it works! thanks sney! |
| 04:31.24 | rgenito | sney, any way i can make that service ALWAYS start? |
| 04:31.38 | Dan39 | rgenito: if you look at the pastie you see my problem haha |
| 04:31.54 | rgenito | Dan39: i have no idea about that stuff |
| 04:31.57 | Dan39 | when i enter end sector, and then do print the end it got is not what i inputed |
| 04:32.42 | rgenito | sney "sudo service ssh start" worked fine and did not give me an error. you say it should start on its own... how does it start on its own? is it in /etc/init.d or somethin? :D |
| 04:32.50 | Dan39 | a bug somewheres in fdisk/this rescue system is my guess, since the number it ends at is the exact 32 bit integer limit |
| 04:33.05 | sney | yes, it's in /etc/init.d, running service ssh start is the same thing as doing /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 04:33.56 | sney | rgenito: if it seems to not be loading at boot, 'update-rc.d ssh defaults' should fix that |
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| 04:35.48 | Dan39 | jeez i just cant figure out how to google this |
| 04:35.58 | Dan39 | all the results are always just information about file systems |
| 04:36.07 | rgenito | sney ty :D |
| 04:36.09 | Dan39 | not what utlity to use to find what features a filesystem on hdd has |
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| 04:36.51 | Dan39 | ok found it |
| 04:36.55 | rgenito | what was it? |
| 04:36.56 | Dan39 | tune2fs -l /dev/sda3 |
| 04:36.59 | rgenito | holy shite |
| 04:37.09 | Dan39 | i think i did try that before |
| 04:37.19 | Dan39 | but it was when i had the partitioning wrong so i couldnt see fs |
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| 04:37.28 | Dan39 | Filesystem features: has_journal ext_attr resize_inode dir_index filetype extent flex_bg sparse_super large_file huge_file uninit_bg dir_nlink extra_isize |
| 04:37.29 | Dan39 | bingo :P |
| 04:38.08 | rgenito | nice :) |
| 04:38.10 | rgenito | ty for sharing |
| 04:38.51 | Dan39 | hmm |
| 04:39.02 | Dan39 | it has a lot of features that parted says it cant handle |
| 04:39.26 | Dan39 | this is why i wanted to use resize2fs and then shrink the partition itself with other utility |
| 04:40.48 | Diopter | Dan39: I've seen you fighting with this for a while. I'm a little confused about the problem you seem to be having. Are you aware that the right way to shrink a non-LVM ext? partition is resize2fs to a little less than desired size, resize partition to desired size, then resize2fs without a size (so it fills the remaining gap itself) |
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| 04:41.10 | Diopter | Dan39: It seems like you're trying to line things up by hand, which is not only tedious and error-prone but unnecessary |
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| 04:41.27 | TheCrowe | hi, how do you enable logging into a debian system via the serial console port? |
| 04:41.49 | Dan39 | Diopter: yes i know |
| 04:41.55 | Dan39 | thats what ive been wanting to do |
| 04:41.59 | TheCrowe | or at least enable it |
| 04:42.04 | Diopter | TheCrowe: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-setup-serial-console-on-debian-linux/ for instance. |
| 04:42.15 | Diopter | TheCrowe: It's not hard, just a few pieces, easier to have a guide |
| 04:42.39 | Diopter | Dan39: It seems like you did resize2fs <new size>, fdisk, ????? |
| 04:42.46 | Dan39 | yes |
| 04:42.48 | Diopter | Dan39: The tool you really wanted was parted. |
| 04:42.56 | Dan39 | ok... |
| 04:43.02 | Dan39 | well im back to original now pretty much |
| 04:43.08 | Diopter | Well, the tool you Really wanted was a more intelligent volume system, like LVM |
| 04:43.10 | Diopter | But that aside |
| 04:43.20 | TheCrowe | Diopter, did you google for that?! What search terms did you use? |
| 04:43.56 | Diopter | TheCrowe: Yep, was rather easy. |
| 04:44.02 | Diopter | TheCrowe: "debian serial console" :P |
| 04:44.08 | TheCrowe | oh god |
| 04:44.12 | TheCrowe | I over complicated it |
| 04:44.41 | Dan39 | Diopter: so your saying i should be able to use resize2fs to shrink, then parted to shrink partition to where its a lil bigger than fs, then use resize2fs again to grow into full size of partition? |
| 04:44.50 | jagginess | Dan39, just use gparted live cd.. it'll do the filesystem resize (doesnt destroy data), and it updates the partition table |
| 04:45.08 | Diopter | Dan39: Yes. Though, you're saying "use parted to shrink", which is going to make you look for a resizing command in parted, and that's bad. |
| 04:45.10 | jagginess | Dan39, (you can resume your current point with gparted without issues) |
| 04:45.26 | Diopter | Dan39: What you Actually do, terrifyingly enough, is delete the partition and recreate it, at the new size |
| 04:45.27 | Dan39 | Diopter: ok nvm, not shrink, delete partition, recreate |
| 04:45.35 | Diopter | (making absolutely sure it doesn't start at a different point) |
| 04:45.39 | Diopter | Right |
| 04:45.45 | Dan39 | i yes Diopter thats what i did, i know not to use resize since it specificaly siad "with filesytem" |
| 04:45.47 | Diopter | Then, you resize2fs again, with no size specified |
| 04:45.52 | Dan39 | ok ok but here is where the problem occured |
| 04:46.12 | Dan39 | i tried to tell parted to re-create partition exactly where the old one started, but it didnt |
| 04:46.40 | Dan39 | it aligned it to where it would be properly on the 4K sector boundary, when the filesystem is not starting on a 4K sector boundary |
| 04:47.07 | Dan39 | and when that happens, filesystem dissapears, there is a little gap of 512 byte sectors, where i guess the superblock or whatever is skipped over |
| 04:47.45 | Diopter | sDanSo, one thing you can do first is set your unit to sectors (s) |
| 04:48.08 | Dan39 | now... fdisk is a little dumber, so i am able to force it to use 512 byte sector units and specify to start exactly where the filesystem actually is, but then when i specify the end sector it stops at that 32 bit integer limit number(tho if i let it do default it will go past that to end of drive) |
| 04:48.53 | Dan39 | Diopter: ok in parted? |
| 04:49.09 | Diopter | Dan39: Right, so, when you "print" in parted, what's it show for sector size? |
| 04:49.48 | Dan39 | http://pastie.org/pastes/4375795/text |
| 04:49.59 | Dan39 | i think your right tho i can do "unit s" and get it to go to 512 byte sectors |
| 04:50.07 | Dan39 | let me try that |
| 04:50.13 | Diopter | Also |
| 04:50.25 | Diopter | You can invoke parted with an alignment type of none |
| 04:50.31 | Diopter | parted -a none |
| 04:50.42 | Diopter | Then you can use units of sectors |
| 04:50.55 | Dan39 | that may help |
| 04:51.08 | Dan39 | i was actually looking at that but i wasnt sure about it :P |
| 04:51.09 | Diopter | (whether they're 512 or not is irrelevant for specifying the starting point, since 4k [4096] divides evenly into 512-byte chunks) |
| 04:51.27 | Dan39 | yea but 512 doesnt always come out to an even 4K :P |
| 04:51.30 | Diopter | Just so long as you can Exactly specify the starting point in whatever unit they're in, and 512 vs 4k will still let you. |
| 04:51.43 | Dan39 | well lets getrdone |
| 04:51.48 | Diopter | Yes it does! Always. Because it's 4Ki (4096) sectors, not 4K (4000) |
| 04:51.57 | Diopter | 512*8 = 4096 |
| 04:51.59 | Dan39 | sorry sorry. i will try to talk more mature. |
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| 04:52.07 | Diopter | snorts |
| 04:52.07 | Dan39 | yes i know |
| 04:52.11 | Dan39 | but 512*7? |
| 04:52.11 | Diopter | Maturity is overrated :P |
| 04:52.21 | Dan39 | thats what im saying |
| 04:52.25 | Diopter | Right, but |
| 04:52.38 | Dan39 | 7 512 byte sectors is not on a 4K boundary |
| 04:52.41 | Diopter | Your current starting point is, ostensibly, aligned. If it's not, you can choose a different unit that's more granular. |
| 04:52.45 | Diopter | Like bytes. |
| 04:53.01 | Diopter | (unit B) |
| 04:53.10 | Diopter | (or unit, then tab a few times when it asks you) |
| 04:53.17 | jagginess | that doesnt matter.. what matter is the filesystem lands on the starting 4k blocks |
| 04:53.28 | Dan39 | jagginess: its already not |
| 04:53.32 | jagginess | (so you'll have to make sure your filesystem creation is made properly) |
| 04:53.40 | Dan39 | and to fix that means moving the entire 800 GB of data id guess |
| 04:53.47 | Diopter | jagginess: He already has a partition. If you recreate the partition at the exact same byte starting point, alignment is irrelevant to it at least working. |
| 04:53.52 | Diopter | Performance is another question entirely. |
| 04:53.58 | Dan39 | yes i know that |
| 04:54.03 | Dan39 | blame ovh them idiots... |
| 04:54.05 | Diopter | Excellent. |
| 04:54.15 | Diopter | So git'er done |
| 04:54.17 | Diopter | Also |
| 04:54.23 | Dan39 | i had no idea about this until now |
| 04:54.25 | Diopter | You may want to save your partition table first. Makes it easier if you screw up |
| 04:54.32 | Dan39 | hehe good idea |
| 04:55.05 | Diopter | s sfdisk -d /dev/??? > parts.txt, or whatever |
| 04:55.13 | Diopter | Then later you can read it back in if needed and reapply it |
| 04:55.14 | Dan39 | yes im looking at that now on a site :D |
| 04:55.20 | Dan39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.22 | Dan39 | Restore: |
| 04:55.22 | Dan39 | sfdisk /dev/sdX < backup-sdX.sf |
| 04:55.23 | Dan39 | :) |
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| 04:55.26 | Diopter | Look at you go! |
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| 04:55.35 | Diopter | lulz |
| 04:55.37 | Dan39 | 3 lines... really? |
| 04:55.43 | Diopter | Wasn't quite the sort of "go" I had in mind. |
| 04:55.43 | Dan39 | 3 lines. cmon. |
| 04:55.54 | Diopter | It's probably a lines/unit time |
| 04:56.02 | Diopter | Quit posting so fast, you enteraholic :P |
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| 04:57.07 | Diopter | Anyhow, that's the basic idea. parted > fdisk for lots of reasons, and you can force it to let you work in any unit needed, without being too "helpful" about forcing alignment |
| 04:57.13 | xaionaro | Dan39: 4 lines with ":)" :) |
| 04:57.14 | stmpnk | ping |
| 04:57.22 | Diopter | Which, generally speaking, you shouldn't ever want to do |
| 04:57.30 | Dan39 | xaionaro: i was going to mention that... hahaha |
| 04:57.31 | Diopter | But when you need to, this is the way :P |
| 04:57.45 | stmpnk | i can't seem to send e-mails, but i get no bounce message from the mailer daemon. what could it be? |
| 04:58.14 | Diopter | stmpnk: Make sure you're actually connecting to an SMTP server when you try to send an e-mail. Helps a lot to troubleshoot manually |
| 04:58.35 | Diopter | stmpnk: If the server you're sending to/through uses TLS or some other sort of auth, you can use the openssl client to tunnel with |
| 04:58.44 | stmpnk | Diopter: i'm trying to send from localhost |
| 04:58.48 | Diopter | Google it, it's pretty awesome. "test smtp linux" or such. |
| 04:59.05 | stmpnk | Diopter: I'm running my own srv. |
| 04:59.06 | Diopter | stmpnk: That doesn't really tell us much, necessarily. Every mail host is sending from localhost, in some sense :P |
| 04:59.10 | Dan39 | Resizing the filesystem on /dev/sda3 to 482344960 (4k) blocks. |
| 04:59.26 | Diopter | stmpnk: Cool. I have like 4. |
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| 04:59.42 | jagginess | Dan39, "Version 2.2 has begun a transition toward a policy that's more useful for disks with 4096-byte physical sectors" |
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| 04:59.45 | jagginess | (gparted) |
| 04:59.47 | Diopter | stmpnk: And, sending from your own server, like using sendmail or exim or such, Still connects using SMTP to the destination server. |
| 05:00.01 | Diopter | stmpnk: And is still troubleshooted on the network side by connecting manually... |
| 05:00.03 | stmpnk | Diopter: what do you suggest i do then? |
| 05:00.06 | jagginess | "With this version, you can specify a starting value of 1M and the sector will be properly aligned." |
| 05:00.16 | stmpnk | Diopter: to the destination server? |
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| 05:00.26 | Dan39 | yea the whole problem here is that the partitions were wrong in the first place |
| 05:00.40 | Diopter | stmpnk: Correct. That's what your mail system is doing, after all. |
| 05:00.41 | jagginess | Dan39, as i said make life easier.. just use gparted.. |
| 05:00.51 | jagginess | :) |
| 05:01.13 | Diopter | gparted is easier, for sure. Though, if you don't want it to move all of your data for the sake of alignment, might be kind of tricky to disable that |
| 05:01.15 | Diopter | Not sure. |
| 05:01.19 | Dan39 | they should of been on 4K, but since it wasnt installed with a utility, but whole OS just imaged straight onto HDD, it wasnt |
| 05:01.28 | Diopter | Exciting. |
| 05:01.28 | Dan39 | ok jagginess |
| 05:01.37 | Dan39 | it is a remote server tho |
| 05:01.41 | jagginess | well then do the 800gb move.. it's a one shot thing.. time consuming.. but it fixes the problem |
| 05:02.34 | jagginess | I dont know if it'll optimize the landing data.. |
| 05:02.42 | Diopter | Can still use gparted if you Reeeeallly want to. Just need to install an X server of some variety. A vncserver is actually sufficient, or you can go with a regular one and X forward through ssh... |
| 05:02.56 | jagginess | if i were him, i'd just make a new partition, move that 800gb, then simply resize it later |
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| 05:04.21 | Dan39 | Diopter: yea i thought of that too, but sounded like even more of a hassle |
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| 05:05.54 | Diopter | Dan39: Definitely agree. |
| 05:07.15 | stmpnk | Diopter: i can connect to port 143 |
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| 05:08.58 | jbbs | hey guys |
| 05:09.06 | Diopter | stmpnk: Awesome. Should try sending a message to the recipient you were testing. |
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| 05:10.01 | Dan39 | what the hell... now its telling me the filesystem is larger than the partition |
| 05:10.01 | Dan39 | grrr |
| 05:10.08 | Dan39 | awww shit i forgot again |
| 05:10.18 | Dan39 | DAM IT i resized it to wrong size >_< |
| 05:10.33 | stmpnk | Diopter: i don't know how to do that. |
| 05:10.41 | Dan39 | i resized it to the size if it started at 0 haha |
| 05:10.51 | Dan39 | forgot to subtract the space before the partition |
| 05:10.56 | Dan39 | grrrr |
| 05:11.24 | jbbs | IPv6 subnet (/64) equal how much ip address ? |
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| 05:12.25 | Diopter | jbbs: 2^64 |
| 05:12.33 | Diopter | Which is a Big Ass Number(tm) |
| 05:12.43 | Diopter | Dan39: lolz |
| 05:12.55 | Diopter | stmpnk: Google it! SMTP is super simple. |
| 05:13.02 | Diopter | stmpnk: Like I said, "testing smtp". Google it. |
| 05:13.13 | Dan39 | Diopter: yes this was an epic fail. i made the same mistake last time |
| 05:13.32 | Dan39 | i lookat at the "end size" and subtracted the size i wanted from that, instead of the "size" |
| 05:13.57 | Diopter | Dan39: So restore your partition table, try again. Or just delete and recreate again, but moar righterer :P |
| 05:14.12 | Dan39 | hehe |
| 05:14.16 | Dan39 | im just gonna use parted again |
| 05:14.24 | Dan39 | ya know that paste i got kicked for? |
| 05:14.41 | Dan39 | the next comment in that thread was a guy saying "yea i tried restoring just like that and it corrupted MBR" |
| 05:14.48 | Diopter | ... lol |
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| 05:17.51 | stmpnk | Diopter: umm, i'm connected to the IMAP server |
| 05:18.17 | Diopter | stmpnk: Hah. Didn't pay attention to the port you mentioned. Yes, 143 is IMAP |
| 05:18.38 | Diopter | You probably want 587 (submission) if it's TLS encrypted |
| 05:18.58 | Diopter | Otherwise, 25 or 465 (SSL) |
| 05:19.37 | stmpnk | Diopter: i have no idea. do i have to have any ports forwarded to be able to send from my pc? if so, which ones? |
| 05:19.41 | Dan39 | AGAIN what id i do wrong this time... |
| 05:19.44 | stmpnk | and which to receive |
| 05:19.55 | stmpnk | ? |
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| 05:20.37 | Dan39 | saying the dam partition is smaller than fs :| |
| 05:21.02 | gautam | Hi all, could someone please assist resolving the graphics issue on my Sony VAIO laptop? The card is an nVidia and I can't get either the OSS or the proprietary drivers to work. |
| 05:21.25 | Diopter | stmpnk: Outgoing SMTP directly to a server the mail is being delivered to will come in on port 25. |
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| 05:21.40 | Diopter | stmpnk: So you need outgoing initiated traffic to be able to pass over port 25. |
| 05:21.50 | Diopter | stmpnk: Incoming mail to your domain will need to enter on port 25. |
| 05:21.56 | Dan39 | hmm why is the partition so much smaller than i thought it would be :| |
| 05:23.04 | Diopter | Dan39: I don't know. What are you doing? |
| 05:23.10 | Dan39 | its fine ill get it |
| 05:23.15 | stmpnk | Diopter: what about imap? what about pop3? |
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| 05:23.22 | Rygrass | ? |
| 05:23.23 | Rygrass | Hey |
| 05:24.11 | Diopter | stmpnk: Don't know, you were talking about sending mail. And, depends on which ports you want to access them over (which partly depends on what kind of security you setup) |
| 05:24.19 | scientes | stmpnk, pop3 sucks |
| 05:24.27 | Diopter | stmpnk: Maybe it would help to google "<mail software name> <distro> tutorial" |
| 05:24.40 | Diopter | Like... "postfix dovecot debian tutorial" |
| 05:24.49 | Rygrass | anyone around they can help me with something? |
| 05:25.01 | Diopter | !anyone |
| 05:25.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 05:25.04 | scientes | stmpnk, you cannot generally get mail sent by a residential internet ip address recieved |
| 05:25.12 | scientes | this is sad, but it is the truth |
| 05:25.16 | Rygrass | :) |
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| 05:25.34 | scientes | and only a few isps make it even possible to get off the biggest block list, spamhaus.org |
| 05:25.38 | Diopter | scientes: Just makes good sense. |
| 05:25.45 | stmpnk | scientes: but why don't i get the mail delivery daemon's message that it failed? |
| 05:25.48 | scientes | quest is one of those that lets you send email, but it is still quite difficult |
| 05:26.09 | Diopter | stmpnk: Because your MTA isn't connecting/sending/queueing/something on your end. |
| 05:26.11 | scientes | Diopter, it doesn't make any sense at all, unless you accept that you want people reading your email |
| 05:26.13 | Rygrass | #linux-ops by ChanServ |
| 05:26.14 | Rygrass | i trying to install libstdc++.so.5 on Debian but have issues its to do with unreal 2004 |
| 05:26.20 | Rygrass | i can't find any links on how to install it |
| 05:26.43 | Diopter | scientes: Seems like a bit of a leap there. |
| 05:26.49 | scientes | Rygrass, its pretty easy, you get the file, and then put it in /usr/lib, done |
| 05:26.57 | Rygrass | done that |
| 05:27.01 | Rygrass | still doesn't want to work at all |
| 05:27.02 | Rygrass | :( |
| 05:27.11 | Dan39 | ok im making the fs plenty small enough this time... growing doesnt take long |
| 05:27.19 | Dan39 | sweet done |
| 05:27.21 | Dan39 | almost :P |
| 05:27.21 | somiaj | Rygrass: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libstdc%2B%2B.so.5&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 05:27.28 | scientes | Rygrass, well if you are running 64-bit linux you need to put it in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ |
| 05:27.33 | Diopter | Rygrass: Better idea is to use something like apt-file and search for the filename to find what package it's in. |
| 05:27.35 | Rygrass | ok thanks bro |
| 05:27.42 | somiaj | Rygrass: learn to search for things, that tells you what pacakge it is in |
| 05:28.05 | Diopter | If you need a 32-bit version and you're on amd64, dpkg --add-architecture i386, then apt-get install <thatpackage>:i386 |
| 05:28.14 | somiaj | note you may need a 32bit version if you are runninga 64bit os and the software needs a 32bit lib |
| 05:28.29 | Rygrass | what if i don't have a folder "/i386-linux-gnu" |
| 05:28.34 | somiaj | Diopter: that isn't really valid for squeeze which people should be running. |
| 05:28.39 | scientes | Diopter, its an oldlib, prob not available anymore |
| 05:28.40 | Rygrass | ah ok thanks |
| 05:28.43 | stmpnk | Diopter: wouldn't it tell me about it? |
| 05:28.53 | Diopter | somiaj: Blegh, right. ia32-libs, perhaps. |
| 05:29.09 | somiaj | Diopter: correct, it happens to be a part of that package in squeeze |
| 05:29.14 | Diopter | stmpnk: Depends on what "it" is. I don't know wtf you're running or trying or using :P |
| 05:29.29 | Diopter | stmpnk: You've basically shared nothing. |
| 05:29.37 | stmpnk | Diopter: postfix, and d-thingy |
| 05:29.45 | Diopter | Dovecot |
| 05:29.50 | stmpnk | yes |
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| 05:30.01 | Rygrass | i currently have libstdc++.so.5.0 and libstdc++.so in lib folder |
| 05:30.06 | Diopter | So, check the logs. Check the queues. Use the tools provided. |
| 05:30.39 | Diopter | If you're not sure how, go back to the part where I said to google. Read the manpage(s). dpkg -L postfix. |
| 05:30.48 | Dan39 | ugh wtf |
| 05:30.49 | Diopter | Y'know... learnin's and whatnot. |
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| 05:31.02 | somiaj | Rygrass: are you running amd64 and need the 32bit lib? |
| 05:31.07 | Rygrass | amd64 bit |
| 05:31.42 | somiaj | Rygrass: if you are in squeeze install ia32-libs, if you are in wheezy/sid follow Diopter advice to enable multiarch support (or look up how to do that in google) |
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| 05:32.21 | Dan39 | Diopter: now for some reason resize2fs/e2fsck is saying sda3 is 443586750 blocks when it is not |
| 05:32.27 | Diopter | Dan39: I believe in you. Also, might help to switch units to something more manageable. Like bytes (unit B). |
| 05:32.34 | Diopter | Off to bed. 'night |
| 05:32.35 | stmpnk | Diopter: i see nothing suspicious in /var/log/mail.err |
| 05:32.37 | Dan39 | c ya |
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| 05:33.43 | somiaj | stmpnk: some isp's block port 25 to prevent people from running mail servers on their network. |
| 05:34.09 | somiaj | (mine does for instance and to send mail I have to configure postfix to use my isp's mail server as a relay) |
| 05:34.17 | stmpnk | somiaj: thanks for the explanation, but why is there no failure message, then? |
| 05:34.52 | somiaj | stmpnk: because if the port is blocked the mail server will have no clue, mail server sent the mail out on port 25 just fine..so as far as it is concerned it worked. |
| 05:35.31 | stmpnk | somiaj: so, the target replies independently by connecting back? |
| 05:35.34 | somiaj | though these same isp's don't usually block the secure smtp port |
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| 05:35.42 | stmpnk | (ie not in the same "session"?) |
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| 05:37.18 | Dan39 | Diopter: looks like e2fsck is right... again its the same problem with me looking at the "end sector" as the size |
| 05:37.23 | Rygrass | thanks a lot somiaj |
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| 05:37.37 | Dan39 | hope i didnt bring him back from bed :P |
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| 05:38.04 | somiaj | stmpnk: what do you mean target replies independently? email is basically you send the mail out to the internet and the mail server will just take the email if it has the right headers (or if it just wants to take all emails it finds) |
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| 05:38.22 | somiaj | stmpnk: there is no response or connenction to ensure the mail got to its destination. |
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| 05:38.43 | stmpnk | somiaj: is the transport protocol UDP? o.O |
| 05:39.15 | somiaj | stmpnk: I don't know that much about the internal detials, but I don't think so. |
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| 05:41.08 | gautam | Hi all, how can I shutdown the X server and drop to the terminal? |
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| 05:41.44 | somiaj | gautam: why do you want to shutdown the x server? why not just hit ctrl-alt-f1 and get to a console? |
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| 05:42.04 | somiaj | ctrl-alt-backspace use to be a kill combo for X, but I think that is disabled by default on most modern xorg and distros |
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| 05:42.15 | sh4jdb | hi! |
| 05:42.36 | gautam | somiaj: 1) I need it for installing nvidia drivers 2) Ctrl+Alt+F1 will not do because X shouldn't be running |
| 05:42.39 | sh4jdb | I need some help to figure out how to clone a partition from an hd to a compact flash |
| 05:42.44 | Dan39 | hmm this is odd |
| 05:42.53 | stmpnk | somiaj: a tool says my smtp port is open |
| 05:42.55 | somiaj | gautam: also if you use a display manager to run X automatically, you need to stop the display manager |
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| 05:43.02 | sh4jdb | a debian working installation partition to a cf |
| 05:43.24 | gautam | somiaj: And then it'll drop to the console? |
| 05:43.31 | somiaj | stmpnk: ya sure that just doens't mean your server's port 25 is open. If your isp blocks it, it is on their router level outside of your machine |
| 05:43.42 | somiaj | gautam: if you use a display manager. hit ctrl-alt-f1 to get a console |
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| 05:43.49 | gautam | Okay, thanks! |
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| 05:44.08 | somiaj | gautam: login to the console, then stop the display manager with /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or use what ever display manager you run, that example is assuming the gnome default gdm) |
| 05:44.20 | stmpnk | somiaj: no, i mean an online (ie external) tool that tests for open ports. it must mean it's reachible from the net |
| 05:44.35 | Dan39 | when i tell parted unit G it says size of 1817GB, but when i have unit s, it says 3548694000s, which is 1692 GB |
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| 05:44.44 | stmpnk | somiaj: for eg. it says 80 is closed (even though it's really open, but blocked) |
| 05:44.50 | somiaj | stmpnk: to send mail you need to make sure you can send things out on port 25 -- I would look up your isp policy. |
| 05:45.06 | Dan39 | wait |
| 05:45.07 | stmpnk | somiaj: oh. ok |
| 05:45.07 | Dan39 | i see |
| 05:45.20 | Dan39 | its showing the GB size in 10* notation instead of 2* |
| 05:45.30 | Dan39 | hahaha Diopter is going to get a kick out of that |
| 05:45.51 | somiaj | stmpnk: though I belive they would block both in and out so not sure. But yes it could be possible you can reach port 25 from the outsdie world but still can't send mails out on it. Though that test says I could have been mistaken (not all isp's block port 25) |
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| 05:46.17 | sh4jdb | that's the situation: the laptop has no cd, no floppy, no usb boot option. the installation of debian was done through the original windows installation. now it boots with grub and the partitions on the disk are: windows, debian, swap, free space. I would like to clone the debian partition on the compact flash (using a usb card reader) than use the compat flash with a ide/cf adapter I have. |
| 05:46.27 | gautam | Well, that worked but nVidia drivers didn't install, when I click on the "ACCEPT" button it just quits, saying "SIGTERM" received! |
| 05:46.31 | gautam | So anyone else have any ideas? |
| 05:46.34 | somiaj | Dan39: gb vs Gb -- hate that convention cause people dont' understand 1024 is a power of two...(: |
| 05:46.50 | sh4jdb | I don't know how to do it preserving everything and let the CF boot alone |
| 05:46.53 | somiaj | gautam: we do not support installing nvidia drivers from their .run script. Use their support |
| 05:46.57 | Dan39 | it should by power of 2 IMO... that seems more used |
| 05:47.08 | somiaj | gautam: if you want newer nvidia drivers on squeeze, grab a kernel and drivers from squeeze-backports |
| 05:47.11 | Dan39 | e2fsck goes by power of 2... |
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| 05:48.09 | somiaj | Dan39: I bought two 16 gig flash cards, one use 1024 per prefix, the other 1000 per prefix. Was annoying I couldn't mirror the two drives because of that. |
| 05:48.19 | Dan39 | hahahahaha |
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| 05:49.36 | gautam | somiaj: I don't mind *any* drivers, but the problem is none of them work |
| 05:49.42 | gautam | Infact I would be happy with nouveau if it worked |
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| 05:50.07 | somiaj | gautam: what is your card? |
| 05:50.15 | gautam | 8400M GT |
| 05:50.43 | somiaj | gautam: are you running squeeze? |
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| 05:50.50 | gautam | somiaj: Yeah |
| 05:51.03 | somiaj | I'm surprised the default drivers in squeeze don't suppor that card, what is your issue? |
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| 05:51.28 | gautam | somiaj: screen resolution is wrong, and openGL doesn't work |
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| 05:51.59 | somiaj | gautam: nouveau really has only gotten usable (in my opinion) in recent kernels/xorg -- so far to new for squeeze (espically if you want openGL) |
| 05:52.20 | somiaj | gautam: well I will only support you doing things the debian way |
| 05:52.36 | gautam | somiaj: Well, what is the debian way then? |
| 05:52.39 | somiaj | gautam: so either install the nvidia-kernel-dkms / nvidia-glx from squeeze or squeeze-backports |
| 05:52.49 | gautam | I *did* do that the first time |
| 05:53.06 | gautam | When I reboot, it fails to load X, saying something like screen not found or something |
| 05:53.18 | somiaj | gautam: you need to make sure you install the the linux-headers for your kernel version for the dkms package to work correctly. And then provide an output of your Xorg.0.log so I can see what xorg is detecting |
| 05:53.30 | gautam | Yes, linux-headers are installed |
| 05:53.35 | somiaj | gautam: I may also want your xorg.conf file, you really only need 4 lines in it to get nvidia to work |
| 05:53.35 | gautam | 1 sec pasting the log |
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| 05:54.39 | somiaj | gautam: http://paste.debian.net/181616/ -- that should be all you need in your xorg.conf file |
| 05:54.40 | gautam | http://pastie.org/4376021 |
| 05:54.59 | stmpnk | somiaj: you said "same isp[s] don't usually block the secure smtp port". but ssmtp is deprecated, right? do clients still triy its port? |
| 05:55.24 | gautam | Xorg.log http://pastie.org/4376024 |
| 05:55.28 | somiaj | stmpnk: I don't know that much about mail, just a bit here and there. |
| 05:55.50 | somiaj | stmpnk: so I'm not sure what the standard secure smtp protocol is. I just know it usually isn't blocked by isp's since so few people use it (which is a shame imo) |
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| 05:56.41 | stmpnk | somiaj: well it's made obsolete by STARTTLS |
| 05:57.41 | somiaj | gautam: in your Xorg.0.log file, lines 133-137 is the error. but it dosen't give me enough info. I will need output from 'dmesg' to see what the nvidia module is complaining about. |
| 05:58.11 | somiaj | gautam: also you can reduce your whole xorg.conf file down to those lines I gave you (backup the one you have first) because xorg shoudl automatically detect most things, you just need to tell it what grahpics driver to use. |
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| 06:01.15 | gautam | somiaj: Okay, I'll try installing the nvidia drivers from the repos again |
| 06:02.23 | gautam | somiaj: dmesg http://pastie.org/4376041 |
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| 06:04.40 | Dan39 | yo LtL |
| 06:04.54 | somiaj | gautam: what is the output of 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' |
| 06:06.52 | gautam | somiaj: http://pastie.org/4376050 |
| 06:07.40 | _br_ | Does anyone use dsh? For me it chokes with "Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal" and if I run it with -tt then it just hangs, after login into one machine. |
| 06:07.42 | somiaj | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 06:07.43 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 302.17-3; wheezy/non-free: 302.17-3; experimental/non-free: 304.30-1 |
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| 06:08.11 | somiaj | gautam: you said you are runngin squeeze. Where did you get those 295.20-1 packages? |
| 06:09.29 | gautam | I dunno, it just came from the repos |
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| 06:10.11 | gautam | Sorry, I'm actually running testing |
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| 06:10.33 | somiaj | gautam: it did not come from the squeeze repos. It is not an offical backported version. So you got them from somewhere that is not squeeze. can I see your /etc/apt/sources.list and output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 06:10.54 | gautam | Sorry, I'm actually running testing |
| 06:11.04 | somiaj | gautam: well you then have a very outdated testing, because its been a while since 295.20-1 would have been in testing. |
| 06:11.31 | gautam | Brb, I'll try that xorg.conf you gave me |
| 06:11.37 | somiaj | gautam: you will get better support on squeeze. But testing, update everything to the current version (it is now frozen so at least after this you should only get bug/security fixes) |
| 06:11.50 | gautam | ok |
| 06:11.58 | somiaj | gautam: but unless you are running the current testing or stable squeeze, support is moot and hard. |
| 06:12.20 | stmpnk | thx, bb |
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| 06:13.10 | somiaj | gautam: also please make sure in /etc/apt/sources.list you have 'wheezy' instead of 'testing' for your distro to ensure you stick with wheezy when it stabalizes and don't start pulling in things from the new testing. |
| 06:13.25 | gautam | k |
| 06:13.47 | simonlnu | that could be interesting in a very confusing and dangerous way |
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| 06:54.29 | kkerwin | Hi. Looking for some help setting up exim4 to use a smarthost. I believe that I have it setup, but don't see an email delivered to the specified receipient. |
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| 06:56.32 | xgl | hi all |
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| 06:59.42 | gnarface | kkerwin: hey i wanna know how to set up exim4 AS a smarthost. do you happen to know that one? |
| 07:00.04 | kkerwin | gnarface: Lemme see real quick. |
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| 07:01.02 | kkerwin | gnarface: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armel/ch08s05.html.en; n.b.: The dpkg-reconfigure line. |
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| 07:01.46 | vampirnata | anyone have any experience rsyncing VServer guests across different guests? |
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| 07:02.03 | vampirnata | oops, I meant across different hosts |
| 07:02.25 | kkerwin | gnarface: Also, /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.* |
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| 07:14.19 | SiDz | how can i pass a line in a init script |
| 07:14.41 | SiDz | like pressing enter. |
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| 07:21.45 | simonlnu | SiDz: you mean \n ? |
| 07:22.53 | simonlnu | it's called "newline", FYI |
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| 07:23.58 | gnarface | kkerwin: thanks |
| 07:25.02 | gnarface | kkerwin: i was hoping you knew more specifics |
| 07:25.28 | gnarface | kkerwin: you can't do it just by dpkg-reconfigure alone, can you? |
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| 07:45.13 | SiDz | you'll understand there, my english is bad:) |
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| 07:52.34 | digdilem | tried adding a new blank line to the end of the script? |
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| 07:53.21 | SiDz | nope |
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| 07:53.23 | SiDz | i will |
| 07:53.51 | SiDz | not working:P |
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| 07:54.03 | cusco | SiDz: by new line, he means \n |
| 07:54.10 | cusco | echo -e "\n"; |
| 07:55.16 | SiDz | also not working |
| 07:55.33 | SiDz | if rtorrent is running, the stop command work fine, and bash begin on a new line |
| 07:55.34 | digdilem | perhaps the command being called isn't terminating cleanly |
| 07:55.46 | cusco | not at the end |
| 07:55.51 | SiDz | right, killall don't get a process to kill |
| 07:56.07 | cusco | SiDz: look at the stop function |
| 07:56.19 | cusco | ah.. |
| 07:56.20 | SiDz | but if rtorrent isn't running, bash will begin on the same line |
| 07:56.22 | SiDz | as the script end |
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| 07:57.23 | SiDz | anyway, im never stoping it |
| 07:57.28 | SiDz | just geeking |
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| 08:03.04 | excalibr | does the limit module in iptables work the same way as the recent module? |
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| 08:04.09 | excalibr | recent=limit packets based on source ip, limit module=? |
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| 08:13.54 | Rygrass | whats the best way to make a program start ( Startup ) when the server is restarted "debian" |
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| 08:25.36 | protist | nub question...but anyone have a good link to get me started on usb installing debian?...im currently running ubuntu |
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| 08:26.58 | gnarface | protist: its not something that requires really documentation anymore. currently you just take any of the cd isos (or netboot cd isos) and just dd or cp them directly to the usb key (not onto the filesystem of) and bam you're good to go |
| 08:27.16 | gnarface | protist: as of squeeze |
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| 08:28.33 | protist | is there any downside to a network install from usb? |
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| 08:29.55 | protist | gnarface: imma try ur way |
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| 08:31.09 | protist | gnarface: there are a list of options....like amd64 etc....which one? |
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| 08:49.49 | meisth0th | hello |
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| 08:50.04 | meisth0th | how can i list packages with repositories that they are installed from? |
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| 08:50.59 | themill | dpkg: tell meisth0th about which repo |
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| 08:51.32 | themill | meisth0th: there is no definitive answer -- all you can do is look at which repo the package would be installed from if you were to reinstall it right now |
| 08:52.06 | meisth0th | themill, but i want to list of packages from a specific repo |
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| 08:52.16 | meisth0th | i can't try every single package |
| 08:52.27 | themill | wonders if meisth0th read what dpkg said |
| 08:52.32 | meisth0th | i did |
| 08:52.51 | ksk | ,versions duply |
| 08:52.52 | judd | Package: duply on i386 -- squeeze: 1.5.2.3-1; sid: 1.5.5.5-1; wheezy: 1.5.5.5-1 |
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| 08:56.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | allright peeps i need some help.. i wanna search the package repo for games like powermanga and chromium bsu.. |
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| 08:58.42 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: apt-cache seach |
| 08:58.46 | themill | search |
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| 09:00.27 | Mohsen_Hassani | I just installed a net Debian on my Laptop. I want to connect my Laptop to my PC for installing the Repo via LAN |
| 09:00.28 | hanibana | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.37 | Mohsen_Hassani | I don't know how to connect these 2 Laptop and PC |
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| 09:07.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | um |
| 09:08.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i search for genres? |
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| 09:11.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | and why don't we got this feature 2012... |
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| 09:15.48 | boudiccas | Eryn_1983_FL: search for genres in what? |
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| 09:20.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | oh jeeze those games are awfull... |
| 09:20.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | boudiccas: i figured it out i went to the package search on the debian webpage.. i just wish there was a ranking so i can find the gems in the dirt.. |
| 09:24.04 | cusco | Eryn_1983_FL: what are you searching for? |
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| 09:27.16 | themill | dpkg: tell Eryn_1983_FL about axi-cache search |
| 09:27.31 | themill | bleh |
| 09:27.48 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: "/msg dpkg axi-cache" -- there are facets for various different game types/genres etc |
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| 09:29.03 | themill | debtags tagsearch game|wc -l → 24 |
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| 09:30.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | ohhh |
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| 09:31.24 | mikunos | hi guys |
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| 09:32.18 | mikunos | during an upgrade I get this error in my linux box: http://pastie.org/4376720 |
| 09:32.24 | mikunos | how have I to solve it? |
| 09:33.21 | themill | mikunos: apt-file is your friend; /msg dpkg apt-file; you'll find that bnx2 firmware is in the firmware-bnx2 package |
| 09:33.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
| 09:34.06 | mikunos | what do you mean with dpkg apt-file? |
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| 09:34.50 | boudiccas | mikunos: exactly what themill said, you message the bot like he said |
| 09:34.53 | mikunos | have I to use them |
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| 09:35.05 | themill | dpkg: tell mikunos about apt-file |
| 09:35.14 | themill | mikunos: see the msg you got from the dpkg bot |
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| 09:35.45 | mikunos | oh ok |
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| 09:36.03 | themill | mikunos: it probably opened up some sort of new tab or new window in your irc client |
| 09:36.21 | mikunos | yes I have seen it now |
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| 09:37.36 | mikunos | ok |
| 09:37.38 | Hounddog | hi, i am quite new with debian and i need to install the java appllet into iceweasel and am unsure where to find it... |
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| 09:37.45 | mikunos | I have searched the file |
| 09:37.49 | mikunos | in this way: apt-file search bnx2-rv2p-09ax-5.0.0.j3.fw |
| 09:37.57 | dutchfish | hi, how long does it normally take before anything out of sysstat is obtainable out of the logs by sar, after writing ENABLED="true" inside /etc/default/sysstat? |
| 09:37.58 | db- | can someone explain to me this please? |
| 09:37.59 | db- | insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (1 6) of script `umountiscsi.sh' overwrites defaults (0 1 6) |
| 09:38.03 | mikunos | the result is: firmware-bnx2: /lib/firmware/bnx2/bnx2-rv2p-09ax-5.0.0.j3.fw |
| 09:38.06 | db- | grep Default-Stop umountiscsi.sh |
| 09:38.06 | db- | # Default-Stop: 0 1 6 |
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| 09:38.18 | mikunos | so, now what have I to do? |
| 09:38.41 | themill | mikunos: so that's telling you that the firmware-bnx2 package contains that file. You can install that package. |
| 09:39.13 | mikunos | apt-get install firmware-bnx2 ? |
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| 09:40.03 | mikunos | perfect |
| 09:40.15 | mikunos | thanks guys |
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| 09:46.49 | boudiccas | mikunos: why do you think that we're all 'guys' on here? i'm not a guy, i'm female |
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| 09:47.30 | mikunos | hi boudiccas, sorry but it's hard to find a girl in this strage world |
| 09:47.52 | mikunos | boudiccas like the northen english warrior? |
| 09:48.10 | boudiccas | mikunos: the eastern english warrior queen |
| 09:48.24 | mikunos | yes, who kill the romans |
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| 09:48.30 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 09:48.31 | Calinou | <boudiccas> mikunos: why do you think that we're all 'guys' on here? i'm not a guy, i'm female |
| 09:48.32 | Calinou | "im a girl" |
| 09:48.33 | Calinou | "karma pls" |
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| 09:49.23 | Calinou | TIL a new way to troll. |
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| 09:49.32 | Aure` | wait a second....queeens, engish warriors....what are all these doing in #debian? :) |
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| 09:51.06 | LarsFronius | Does anyone know of other ways than this http://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/CreateEC2Image or https://github.com/camptocamp/ec2debian-build-ami to create debian amis from scratch? |
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| 09:53.20 | dutchfish | LarsFronius, https://github.com/tomheady/ec2debian/wiki/64bit-ebs-ami-pvgrub |
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| 09:54.20 | grifx | Hello again everyone |
| 09:54.39 | grifx | I tried to create a vhost |
| 09:54.39 | grifx | this is my problem |
| 09:54.43 | grifx | when i restart apache2 |
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| 09:54.55 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 09:54.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:55.24 | grifx | ###### /etc/apache2/sites-enabled# apache2ctl restart apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 09:55.44 | LarsFronius | thanks @dutchfish! Every other documentation is helpful :) |
| 09:56.10 | dutchfish | LarsFronius, oh, one more thing, i believe the --no-check-certificate bug is already fixed. |
| 09:57.04 | LarsFronius | I will possibly know it soon ;) |
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| 09:59.56 | dutchfish | themill, i am no english export, my gut says, you are right, guys ~≃ palls within that context? |
| 10:00.04 | dutchfish | oops wrog channel |
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| 10:10.09 | nsadmin | hi, somehow I lost the xchat menu bar, how do I get it back |
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| 10:16.18 | BenNZ | nsadmin: f9 or ctrl f9 |
| 10:17.30 | nsadmin | ctrl f9 did something really weird |
| 10:17.47 | nsadmin | f9 has no effect, same with alt-f9 |
| 10:18.02 | protist | 1 hour till my debian iso finishes downloading :) |
| 10:18.06 | nsadmin | wait, nm, that did it |
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| 10:18.46 | nsadmin | protist, a netinst? |
| 10:19.18 | protist | nsadmin: yessir lautriv sent me a link to what he thought would work best :) |
| 10:19.39 | protist | he's rly active on #linux so i figure you might know him...im new to irc |
| 10:21.20 | nsadmin | haven't met him yet |
| 10:21.43 | nsadmin | do you want to get packages over the net? or from the cd? |
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| 10:22.15 | protist | im going to put the image on a usb and use the net |
| 10:22.42 | protist | im on a netbook so cd is nto an option ;) |
| 10:23.12 | nsadmin | oh ok,,, the netinst should work for that... how fast is your net? |
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| 10:23.26 | protist | 1.66 ghz single core intel atom |
| 10:23.37 | protist | has hperthreading if that makes a dif |
| 10:23.45 | protist | im running ubuntu 12.04 fine right now |
| 10:23.58 | nsadmin | oh, ok, cool :) so also, how fast is your net? |
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| 10:24.30 | protist | no idea rly...i moved to nz recently....but i think ive had some dls hit 2mbs actualy dl speed |
| 10:24.40 | protist | but thats only on excellent servers |
| 10:25.11 | nsadmin | so potentially 200k bytes/sec? |
| 10:25.34 | protist | yeah 200-400 kbs seems normal for a lot of things |
| 10:25.45 | protist | dl im doing right now is just a slow one |
| 10:25.53 | protist | 20kbs :/ hehe |
| 10:25.56 | nsadmin | you should be good to go then :) |
| 10:26.06 | protist | yessir :) |
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| 10:26.22 | protist | is it hard to get sonfigu4red for flash and various audio formats? |
| 10:26.39 | nsadmin | yeah, when you said "an hour left" on a netinst, I got curious |
| 10:26.56 | nsadmin | not too hard |
| 10:26.57 | Rygrass | whats the best way to make a program start ( Startup ) when the server is restarted "debian" |
| 10:26.58 | protist | i mostly wanna play with BASH and C++...but pr0n and music are also necessary ;) |
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| 10:27.49 | nsadmin | for pr0n, go out every nite and talk to at least 4 women a nite... for at least a year |
| 10:28.04 | nsadmin | you'll never need pr0n again |
| 10:28.21 | protist | nsadmin: funny how intelligent ppl seem well acquainted with PUA methodologies hahaha |
| 10:28.44 | protist | thing is...im from Texas...was in college with my own apt and a car |
| 10:28.50 | protist | now im with my parents and no car yet |
| 10:28.56 | protist | visa problems so no school |
| 10:29.00 | protist | nz = new zealand |
| 10:29.16 | nsadmin | are you moved there permanently? |
| 10:29.21 | protist | yep |
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| 10:29.55 | Rygrass | yeah nz ftw.. |
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| 10:30.15 | protist | lemme know if i go off topic too much on here :) |
| 10:30.33 | themill | (about 10 lines ago) |
| 10:30.36 | nsadmin | I'll let the cops do that ;) |
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| 10:30.51 | protist | Rygrass: it's pretty nice here...in a different way....but will be nicer when i have a car and stuff to do |
| 10:30.57 | Rygrass | i live here |
| 10:30.59 | Rygrass | so i know :) |
| 10:31.03 | protist | in nz? |
| 10:31.06 | Rygrass | yeah |
| 10:31.09 | protist | cool haha |
| 10:31.13 | Rygrass | sure is |
| 10:31.14 | protist | north or south island? |
| 10:31.19 | Rygrass | North island |
| 10:31.24 | protist | Christchurch |
| 10:31.27 | protist | im south, right? lol |
| 10:31.32 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 10:31.32 | Rygrass | sure are.. |
| 10:32.16 | protist | themill: first time #debian...making friends :( |
| 10:32.30 | nsadmin | protist, btw, there must be a faster mirror soemwhere |
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| 10:33.03 | nsadmin | !mirror |
| 10:33.04 | dpkg | Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <geo sources.list> and <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:33.05 | ompaul | protist: join us over in the land of many a strange discussion |
| 10:33.14 | protist | nsadmin: possibly...but this file seems fairly specific and i thought doing what lautriv suggested sounded safe |
| 10:33.39 | nsadmin | oh, it's specific to your hardware? |
| 10:33.46 | protist | im getting firmware-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 10:34.27 | protist | nsadmin: yeah....he asked a bunch of question before he recomended...im not terribly knowledgable in this |
| 10:35.08 | nsadmin | ok... so I'm curious what has you interested in debian? |
| 10:35.39 | protist | i installed linx with the intention of learning BASH and C++ |
| 10:35.49 | protist | i didnt know much about the distros so i just jumped on ubuntu |
| 10:36.04 | protist | debian seems more pure....being as ubuntu is based on it |
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| 10:36.59 | protist | also less resource intensive i would presume |
| 10:37.15 | ompaul | protist: which is chatter and should be had in #debian-offtopic however you mentioned the u word - ubuntu is not debian, it is a subset of it with an ever increasing delta philosophy other in the other place |
| 10:37.40 | nsadmin | you should think about adding another scripting language,,, like tcl, perl, python, choose it for "does what you want easily" and readability |
| 10:39.20 | protist | ompaul: are you saying im chattering right now?...i just sent one paragraph as 4 seperate thoughts...yeah im becoming self conscious about ubuntu...i like the idea and phylosophy of debian more as far as ive read |
| 10:39.44 | ompaul | we'll discuss that elsewhere |
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| 10:40.19 | protist | nsadmin: i probably will once i have a better handle on the things ive started :) |
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| 10:43.47 | nsadmin | protist, the "learn languages" is a good reason to run any linux dist, and the others are good reasons to go with debian... the install should go smooth and everything... try to find the closest mirror you can get... perhaps the other nz guy can tell you what mirror he uses... finally, I recommend you stick with stable (debian 6.0) for a good long time, and keep with one release (so only debian 6 sources) |
| 10:44.06 | nsadmin | not unless absolutely necessary |
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| 10:46.03 | protist | im worried my client may have cut your first msg short....did your complete msg end with "(so only debian sources) not unless absolutely necessary? |
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| 10:47.19 | nsadmin | yes, I'll clarify: debian doesn't work well when you mix different sources, like debian and ubuntu, or debian stable and debian testing |
| 10:48.04 | protist | alright noted :) |
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| 10:48.42 | nsadmin | I'm recommending to you, because you say you're new, that you stick with just stable -- unless it turns out you need something without which your machine won't work... |
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| 11:06.54 | Otkrick | Hello, world !!! |
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| 11:08.45 | word | Otkrick: hello ! |
| 11:08.56 | world | Otkrick: hello ! |
| 11:09.39 | Otkrick | world: ))) well done.. how are u? |
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| 11:10.17 | format_c | Otkrick: you wanna talk off-topic? We'd better switch to #debian-offtopic |
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| 11:11.57 | format_c | Wow [13:11] == #debian-offtopic Cannot join channel (+b) - you are banned |
| 11:12.14 | format_c | I didn't throught that this is possible ;) |
| 11:12.23 | Otkrick | format_c: I need to isntall OpenVPN server for several clients, but have no time for investigation. Can you advise tutorial or good howto with quik installation examples? |
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| 11:13.43 | themill | format_c: use a real irc client |
| 11:14.12 | Otkrick | |o.o| |
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| 11:16.05 | ferni | Otkrick: then get openvpn access server, and pay the small fee for licences |
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| 11:18.54 | Otkrick | ferni: thx, but it sounds like "u should use windows" |
| 11:19.20 | abrotman | ... |
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| 11:30.57 | jelly | Otkrick: no, it sounds like "you can sometimes exchange money for time spent" |
| 11:31.21 | jelly | s/exchange/substitute/ |
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| 11:33.22 | protist | is there anything i need to know before i attempt to boot debian from a usb and do a netinst? |
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| 11:35.05 | nkuttler | protist: have you ever installed debian before? |
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| 11:42.26 | cheater | hi |
| 11:43.01 | cheater | is there some way to run apt-get without having packages run their reconfigure scripts? i want to install postfix from a script and don't want interactivity |
| 11:43.28 | Sm0ke0ut | `man apt-get` |
| 11:44.01 | cheater | doesn't really help me |
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| 11:44.50 | themill | cheater: what are you really trying to avoid here? |
| 11:45.05 | themill | (and what are you trying to achieve) |
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| 11:45.32 | cheater | i want postfix installed on my server. i'll be installing it via saltstack, which is a configuration management thing, which in the end calls apt-get install |
| 11:45.59 | cheater | i don't want that to fail and i am guessing it'll fail if the installation process hangs on user input |
| 11:46.59 | themill | cheater: you'll need to preseed the debconf answers and then you can run the installation without debconf prompts. /msg dpkg debconf-set-selections |
| 11:47.15 | cheater | thanks i will look at that. great help |
| 11:47.52 | cheater | ahh, that looks so easy |
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| 11:56.38 | boudiccas | ompaul_: i take it you're irish? |
| 11:56.57 | boudiccas | bugger, sorry wrong channel |
| 11:57.06 | ompaul_ | hehe |
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| 12:01.23 | protist | nkuttler: no i havent |
| 12:01.40 | protist | nkuttler: i have not installed debian before |
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| 12:03.13 | protist | is there anything i should know if i am about to install debian from a usb drive using netinst? |
| 12:05.02 | raz0 | if it's already on the USB pen? no, not really |
| 12:05.09 | raz0 | it's no different than from a CD |
| 12:05.51 | protist | i have not installed debian before...i just want to make sure that there is nothing not intuitive |
| 12:06.15 | raz0 | hard to say; I have done it so many times, it feels like second nature :) |
| 12:06.35 | protist | well ive done ubuntu...is there anything i might get sonfused on? |
| 12:06.38 | protist | confused* |
| 12:06.43 | raz0 | haven't tried Ubuntu, sorry |
| 12:06.54 | raz0 | but the installer is very easy, I think |
| 12:07.12 | protist | kk ill give it a whirl (pun intended) |
| 12:07.23 | raz0 | but it's a USB pen! |
| 12:07.39 | protist | yes it is? |
| 12:07.49 | raz0 | it'd have made sense if it was a CD |
| 12:07.54 | raz0 | whirl |
| 12:08.03 | protist | oh i meant the debian logo haha |
| 12:08.06 | protist | ;) |
| 12:08.09 | raz0 | oh, I see |
| 12:08.31 | protist | cya later if i make it back haha |
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| 12:15.41 | thewanderer1 | hi. how long should unison2.32 take to replicate a 140GB home directory on a hard disk, over SSH? it's been running for half an hour now, but I'm still not seeing any results... (just "Waiting for changes from server")... |
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| 12:16.33 | themill | thewanderer1: I normally do the initial copy with rsync and then use unison only for the synchronisation step |
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| 12:16.52 | themill | thewanderer1: also, are you using remote filesystems in any of this? (NFS, CIFS?) |
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| 12:17.31 | thewanderer1 | themill: no, it's going over SSH now - over NFS, it was painfully slow and some post suggested that using ssh:// would make the *remote* machine compute its side, which it seems to be doing, just very, very slowly |
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| 12:18.03 | thewanderer1 | I think it's computing the "changes" now (it's the initial run), no synchronization seems to have happened yet |
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| 12:19.32 | themill | unison performs really poorly when remote filesystems are involved. |
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| 12:19.56 | thewanderer1 | yeah, I've seen that... this is a machine which can do 120MB/s NFS over the wire, and it was using 8MB/s out of it |
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| 12:20.46 | themill | thewanderer1: an "ssh://" url doesn't change who calculates what. It will still be the machine targetted by the URL that is doing the calculation. If that machine then NFS mounts something else... |
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| 12:21.39 | thewanderer1 | themill: in this case, it's the remote machine's local storage... any clue if I can see the progress anywhere? or at least a log file? |
| 12:22.45 | themill | not that I know of. As I said, rsync first time, unison subsequent times. (I think even the unison manual suggests that) |
| 12:23.43 | thewanderer1 | themill: what would that grant me? unison would still need to compute the changes, right? |
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| 12:24.24 | themill | thewanderer1: the change set will be 0 after the first rsync |
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| 12:24.47 | themill | (basically, unison doesn't do that well when the change sets are enormous) |
| 12:25.05 | thewanderer1 | oh well, okay |
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| 12:27.16 | mallxs | hi i try to get my Logitech G110 keyboard to work; the G110 does not have a LCD but does have the programmable key's and back light |
| 12:27.40 | mallxs | atm i try to install g15daemon but that one doesnt start |
| 12:28.37 | mallxs | i assume thats cos it can not find the LCD screen ... is that correct .. any advices ? |
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| 12:42.20 | Ultra | Is Debian 6 Squeeze have buit in VNC server? |
| 12:42.26 | Ultra | Does* |
| 12:43.42 | themill | Ultra: there are many vnc servers you can choose to install |
| 12:43.49 | Ultra | No |
| 12:43.56 | Ultra | I ask about built in one |
| 12:44.00 | kesroesweyth | lol |
| 12:44.04 | Ultra | fDoes it has one |
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| 12:44.26 | kesroesweyth | aptitude search vnc |
| 12:44.54 | Ultra | ty |
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| 13:02.39 | Hashtag | Hello |
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| 13:02.56 | kesroesweyth | morning Hashtag |
| 13:03.23 | FilipeMaia | I have a problem with a server which is making new DHCP requests every 5 minutes. Does anyone know what could be the problem? |
| 13:03.58 | kesroesweyth | FilipeMaia it's renewing it's lease that often? |
| 13:04.28 | kesroesweyth | Does it happen every 5 minutes exactly? What is the lease time on the DHCP server? If it's 10 minutes, that's normal. |
| 13:04.40 | FilipeMaia | it's the only server that does this |
| 13:04.59 | FilipeMaia | and the connection to the server drops during the process |
| 13:05.08 | FilipeMaia | so I think it's taking down and up the interface |
| 13:05.12 | kesroesweyth | Right. |
| 13:05.22 | kesroesweyth | Any cronjobs? |
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| 13:05.39 | kesroesweyth | Did you check /var/log/* for anything network related? |
| 13:05.52 | FilipeMaia | default-lease-time is 2592000 |
| 13:06.08 | digdilem | FilipeMaia, as per kesroesweyth's advice. It sounds very much as if something is disabling eth? and re-enabling it. |
| 13:06.09 | FilipeMaia | kesroesweyth: on the dhcp client side? |
| 13:06.13 | kesroesweyth | FilipeMaia that's 3 days. |
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| 13:06.23 | kesroesweyth | FilipeMaia yes. |
| 13:06.24 | digdilem | the dhcp request may be a symptom, not the cause, so focus elsewhere to start with |
| 13:06.37 | FilipeMaia | Ok i'll take a look |
| 13:07.25 | mallxs | hi i try to get my Logitech G110 keyboard to work; the G110 does not have a LCD but does have the programmable key's and back light |
| 13:07.32 | digdilem | FilipeMaia, /var/log/ messages, syslog and dmesg may have clues, and as well as crontab for root, check /etc/init.d for any rogue scripts. Also consider broken network drivers |
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| 13:07.51 | digdilem | FilipeMaia, and of course, dodgy patch leads :) |
| 13:07.53 | kesroesweyth | FilipeMaia maybe right after it happens and lets you back in, running tail -n 20 /var/log/* might show something. |
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| 13:12.26 | FilipeMaia | I just realize it's rebooting every 5 minutes |
| 13:12.37 | kesroesweyth | FilipeMaia that'd do it! |
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| 13:13.07 | kesroesweyth | FilipeMaia can you tell what is initiating the reboot? |
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| 13:13.19 | FilipeMaia | I'm trying to figure out |
| 13:13.24 | FilipeMaia | I suspect hardware problems |
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| 13:14.18 | kesroesweyth | I'm less confident in that diagnosis if it's consistently occurring at 5 minute intervals. |
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| 13:16.33 | kesroesweyth | Is anything in your or other users' crontabs running every 5 minutes? |
| 13:16.43 | kesroesweyth | e.g. */5 * * * * /path/to/command |
| 13:16.44 | FilipeMaia | I think it's apcupsd |
| 13:16.57 | kesroesweyth | Is that a print daemon? |
| 13:16.59 | FilipeMaia | which is receiving bogus messages from the UPS causing the reboot |
| 13:17.10 | FilipeMaia | it's the UPS daemon |
| 13:17.40 | kesroesweyth | Ah, I see. I'm pretty sure UPSs are able to initiate reboots under certain conditions, but I don't know much about it. |
| 13:18.02 | FilipeMaia | kesroesweyth: yes they are. I just disabled it to see if that stops it |
| 13:18.06 | raven737 | Hi, quick question, I just mounted a usb hdd from a cable receiver and it has a fat32 partition but some file names have a ? or ^E in the name, how can I copy them? Thanks! |
| 13:18.08 | kesroesweyth | :) |
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| 13:18.42 | kesroesweyth | raven737 try a \ before the characters? |
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| 13:19.47 | kesroesweyth | e.g. cp /path/to/\?\?\?.txt /path/to/destination/dir |
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| 13:20.47 | raven737 | kesroesweyth: It does not work (no such file or directory). I think the ? is just shown instead of the actual character. I don't know what the extra character is but it is likely some special character. |
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| 13:20.57 | kesroesweyth | I see. |
| 13:21.09 | gypsymauro | hi, I need to modify my grubconfiguratoin, but in wheezy there is not the grub command? |
| 13:21.25 | kesroesweyth | raven737 can you rename them to something more standard? |
| 13:21.37 | kesroesweyth | afk |
| 13:21.45 | raven737 | Sorry, it is actually the directory name, not a file name |
| 13:22.02 | raven737 | kesroesweyth: I am trying to do just that |
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| 13:26.55 | protist | just finished installing Debian :DDD |
| 13:27.21 | dvs | !beer protist |
| 13:27.22 | dpkg | pulls out a nicely refined Black Tuesday for protist |
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| 13:29.17 | protist | dpkg: hahaha thank you :P |
| 13:29.18 | dpkg | protist: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:29.27 | boudiccas | raven737: use krusader and tf them wherever you want |
| 13:30.09 | ceil | !lart dvs |
| 13:30.09 | dpkg | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs dvs |
| 13:30.20 | ceil | if you don't have enough for everybody... :p |
| 13:30.34 | protist | dpkg: what are you mad about? |
| 13:30.35 | dvs | doh |
| 13:30.36 | dpkg | protist: what are you talking about? |
| 13:30.40 | ceil | lol |
| 13:30.45 | dvs | hah |
| 13:30.49 | ceil | !botsnack |
| 13:30.50 | dpkg | ceil: aw, gee |
| 13:30.57 | boudiccas | protist: dpkg is a bot! |
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| 13:31.05 | protist | oh :/ |
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| 13:31.22 | protist | thought he was getting pissy about me being slightly off topic...i was like wtf? |
| 13:31.46 | raven737 | boudiccas: I am on terminal only (ssh) |
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| 13:32.23 | themill | raven737: wildcards can help here or sometimes tab completion. mc or vidir can be your last resort |
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| 13:34.23 | raven737 | themill: the problem is that it is the first character, if i just keep pressing tab it shows the first character as "^E" (example: "^EData(10)"). Thanks, i will try mc and vidir now. |
| 13:34.55 | themill | ahh... first character makes it harder. |
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| 13:38.52 | gabrimonfa | Hi I need to buy an APC UPS 1500/2200 VA to be managed with apcupsd (on squeeze). I've seen that may new models uses the dreaded microlink proprietary protocol |
| 13:39.06 | raven737 | themill: mc shows the first character as "."... i don't know mc and am looking at the man, but is there quick way to rename with wildcard to replace the first character? |
| 13:39.10 | gabrimonfa | Anyone may suggest me a model that works well with apcupsd? |
| 13:39.22 | raven737 | or regex rename |
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| 13:39.33 | raven737 | for directories |
| 13:39.44 | themill | raven737: F6 is for rename |
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| 13:42.05 | EdePopede | hi, is there a safe way to check if the micro is working and soundinput and all that? and if it does not, to find out what does not work? arecord does not react on microphone input, so does not skype. and i opened in alsamixer everything |
| 13:42.28 | raven737 | themill: Yay, that worked. But is there a way to do it for a lot of directories? |
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| 13:42.55 | themill | raven737: the command line rename(1) might be easier if you can feed it a perl regexp to do the match |
| 13:44.03 | raven737 | themill: yes, the problem is again that any ascii return will be wrong (file not found) since another character is used as a placeholder, or? |
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| 13:45.19 | themill | raven737: something like "rename 's/.*Data/Data/' *" might work for you. rename has a dry-run mode |
| 13:45.26 | RAsputtin | how can i connect via gprs ? |
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| 13:47.08 | raven737 | themill: Oh thank you!!! that worked perfectly! =)) |
| 13:47.20 | themill | \o/ |
| 13:47.30 | RAsputtin | what happen when i do znc -- ? |
| 13:47.38 | RAsputtin | sorry wrong question |
| 13:47.46 | RAsputtin | how can i connect via gprs ? |
| 13:48.44 | RAsputtin | het ? |
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| 14:01.51 | KsM | is there a command I can run from the shell to tell the hard drive to go to sleep |
| 14:01.57 | ompaul | sync |
| 14:02.22 | KsM | I don't think that stops it from spinning |
| 14:02.36 | SPF | KsM: hdparm |
| 14:02.41 | JeffJohnson | hdparm KsM |
| 14:02.44 | jhutchins_wk | RAsputtin: Depends on your hardware |
| 14:02.45 | JeffJohnson | or google |
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| 14:04.10 | niklaswe | how should i set permissions so other users cant browse in my home directroy but I can have a public_html directory?? |
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| 14:04.40 | JeffJohnson | niklaswe: chmod |
| 14:05.05 | KsM | niklaswe: usually your /home is readonly to other users as is your public_html by default |
| 14:05.06 | nkuttler | well.. |
| 14:05.20 | niklaswe | JeffJohnson: yeah, but I wondering which permision i should set.. |
| 14:05.24 | ompaul | niklaswe: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/public_html.html |
| 14:05.32 | nkuttler | niklaswe: you could make your home directory only readable to www-data i guess |
| 14:05.42 | KsM | or that |
| 14:05.54 | JeffJohnson | niklaswe: group users, +xr for group |
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| 14:14.26 | KsM | Anyone here have experience with doing ramfs stuff? |
| 14:14.51 | superstraw | KsM: your question? |
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| 14:15.14 | KsM | I sort of want to make a bootstrapped root in a ramdisk and see how long I can get the battery on my laptop to last |
| 14:15.17 | rgr | depends what you mean by "public_html". |
| 14:15.43 | rgr | why even have it in your home? Stick it var/www or something like everyone else does. |
| 14:16.25 | KsM | I was thinking to move /bin /usr/bin /sbin /usr/sbin /lib and some music from my /home in a ramfs, then do some mount --bind magic and then hdparm -Y my hard drive |
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| 14:16.47 | rgr | why? |
| 14:17.46 | KsM | I have 4gb of ram and rarely ever go over 1gb on normal use, so I think I should be fine ? |
| 14:17.52 | rgr | especially since your home might not even be mounted when things in those dirs are required (specially the case with an encrypted home volume) |
| 14:18.14 | rgr | but why fill the ram wth oodles of progams you'll probably never use? |
| 14:18.27 | rgr | let the built in caching do it for you. It does a pretty good job. |
| 14:18.31 | KsM | because I'm just testing for now |
| 14:18.48 | KsM | rgr: you don't understand, I want to basically turn off the hard drive and run completely from ram |
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| 14:19.02 | superstraw | KsM: I use tmpfs for ramdrives: mount -t tmpfs /dev/tmpfs mnt |
| 14:19.02 | rgr | Loading all that into ram might well use more power than them NOT being accessed from the HD ;) |
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| 14:19.16 | KsM | superstraw: but tmpfs uses swap instead of ram |
| 14:19.16 | superstraw | I'm unsure of the size limit however. |
| 14:19.24 | rgr | but I understand what you mean as a test |
| 14:19.37 | superstraw | Does it? I've never seen it use mine... |
| 14:19.46 | KsM | That's what I read |
| 14:19.48 | KsM | multiple times |
| 14:19.54 | superstraw | but you didnt try? |
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| 14:20.00 | KsM | no |
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| 14:20.23 | superstraw | wouldn't hurt to try ya know. |
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| 14:20.35 | superstraw | you can always... unmount it.... |
| 14:20.35 | rgr | there are a few solutions for using ram as swap. A google away. |
| 14:21.01 | superstraw | sounds like he should be usinga livecd |
| 14:21.06 | KsM | rgr: so I do have an encrypted /home, what do I do? |
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| 14:21.32 | KsM | Shouldn't it just be fine like that, with using a mount --bind? |
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| 14:21.40 | rgr | I understood you wanted to move system binaries & libraries into your home. |
| 14:21.47 | KsM | I mean, once it's been unencrypted it acts like a normal drive |
| 14:21.51 | rgr | ok |
| 14:22.01 | KsM | rgr: no, I have it mounted in /media/ram for now |
| 14:22.21 | KsM | the ramdisk |
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| 14:23.10 | KsM | And I currently have all the binaries and /lib moved there, so what, do I do a mount --bind /bin /media/ram/bin ? |
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| 14:31.37 | twobitsprite | is it a bad idea to let sudo inherit the caller's $HOME? Or, I guess a better question would be, how do I get my ~/.vimrc to get loaded when I "sudo vi" something? |
| 14:31.54 | ksk | put it into /root/? |
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| 14:32.26 | ksk | i guess vim has an commandline-switch to supply an .rc file too |
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| 14:33.37 | mallxs | what development pkg should i install to work on libs and daemons ? |
| 14:34.11 | JeffJohnson | mallxs: ur question is unclear, but build-essential could be handy |
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| 14:34.30 | mallxs | JeffJohnson: thx |
| 14:34.52 | gypsymauro | I'm trying to fix my grub2 to use multipath, but when I run update-grub it stills shows sda1 instead of the dm device, any hint? : http://pastebin.com/index/LcGBVwme |
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| 14:35.09 | mallxs | trying to debug g15daemon to add my G110 |
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| 14:35.12 | Etisfo | How can I lock sftp on squeeze to a home dir? |
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| 14:35.49 | JeffJohnson | Etisfo: google |
| 14:35.58 | JeffJohnson | <-answering questions like a boss |
| 14:36.07 | Etisfo | I have googled, they are all old answers for lenny, and didn't work. |
| 14:36.24 | JeffJohnson | Etisfo: man sshd_config |
| 14:36.25 | KsM | er.. |
| 14:36.30 | JeffJohnson | Etisfo: search for ChrootDirectory |
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| 14:37.38 | KsM | rgr: If I had something mounted mirrored somewhere else and has it as a mount --bind to somewhere else, say 1/ bound to 2/, and I did a rm -r 2/*, would 1/ be affected? |
| 14:38.00 | Etisfo | JeffJohnson, how can I apply that to two users? |
| 14:38.07 | JeffJohnson | KsM: yes |
| 14:38.13 | KsM | oh dear |
| 14:38.36 | JeffJohnson | :D |
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| 14:38.49 | JeffJohnson | Etisfo: dont know |
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| 14:39.04 | KsM | well I only had /usr/bin and /usr/lib mounted |
| 14:39.05 | KsM | so |
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| 14:39.17 | KsM | The worst that happens is I'm missing some user binaries |
| 14:39.34 | JeffJohnson | Etisfo: aehm |
| 14:39.43 | JeffJohnson | Etisfo: i googled and found multiple answers for ur questions |
| 14:39.47 | JeffJohnson | it isnt so hard to find |
| 14:39.59 | Etisfo | Like I said, didn't work. |
| 14:40.16 | Etisfo | Error:Connection closed by server with exitcode 128 |
| 14:40.16 | Etisfo | Error:Could not connect to server |
| 14:40.23 | JeffJohnson | try to find out why it doesnt work |
| 14:40.27 | JeffJohnson | and get a helpful error message |
| 14:40.33 | JeffJohnson | eh start sshd in foreground + debug mode |
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| 14:41.26 | Etisfo | When I do "Match User name {NEWLINE} ChrootDirectory /srv/www/domain.tld/public_html" and then /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 14:41.30 | Etisfo | i get that in ftp. |
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| 14:42.21 | KsM | can someone give me a quick script to reinstall pretty much everything |
| 14:42.54 | KsM | just want to make sure I get anything I might have lost from that last command |
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| 14:44.20 | thewanderer1 | I've just installed pdns-recursor. where does it take the root server addresses from? |
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| 14:44.40 | mallxs | KsM dpkg -l |
| 14:44.47 | themill | KsM: install debsums and see what it says; /msg dpkg debsums |
| 14:44.59 | KsM | for pkg in `dpkg -l "**" | grep ii | awk '{ print $2 }' | sed 's/:.*//g'`;do apt-get install --reinstall $pkg; done |
| 14:45.07 | KsM | I just wrote up that, would that work? |
| 14:45.23 | themill | egads |
| 14:45.26 | KsM | grep ii = grep ^ii |
| 14:45.34 | themill | how about just "aptitude reinstall ~i" ? |
| 14:45.41 | KsM | ┐('～`；)┌ |
| 14:46.02 | KsM | man: error while loading shared libraries: libmandb-2.6.2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:46.09 | KsM | Well, I know I lost that. |
| 14:46.22 | themill | I'd try debsums first |
| 14:46.49 | mallxs | how do i tell a pkg not try install anymore, |
| 14:47.10 | mallxs | but i wanne keep whats already there ? |
| 14:47.14 | themill | mallxs: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 14:47.52 | KsM | running debsims |
| 14:48.25 | KsM | mallxs: echo "some-package hold" | dpkg --get-selections |
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| 14:48.58 | mallxs | i installed g15daemon but i cant attach to my kb .. the install still try's to do the invoke-rc.d |
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| 14:50.10 | mallxs | after every other apt-get |
| 14:50.40 | themill | mallxs: it might help us if we could see the full output of "apt-get -f install" |
| 14:50.43 | thewanderer1 | so... any ideas how pdns-recursor knows what the IP addresses of root servers are? |
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| 14:52.58 | EdePopede | hmm. what audacity tells me et start: >>> jack server is not running or cannot be started <<< could this be the reason of using the microphone having no effect? |
| 14:53.29 | mallxs | themill http://pastebin.com/jpnANdWQ |
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| 14:54.50 | themill | thewanderer1: I have a sneaking suspicion they're hard-coded by default and can be overridden if you need |
| 14:55.05 | zecrazytux | hi |
| 14:55.05 | KsM | themill: is there a way to make debsums check only, say, /usr/bin and /usr/lib |
| 14:55.19 | KsM | since those were the only ones I had mounted that might have been messed with |
| 14:55.33 | themill | KsM: it doesn't take long to have it check everything |
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| 14:55.36 | thewanderer1 | themill: well, by reading the changelog I could also find a mention of "updating the list of root servers"... now to only find the format for overrides :P |
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| 14:55.55 | KsM | themill: I've a slow drive, and apparently, a lot of things |
| 14:56.16 | zecrazytux | I want to use both the vga console and a serial console (IPMI SOL). I gave to the kernel the following params: console=ttyS1 console=tty0 |
| 14:56.34 | KsM | But I guess I could go eat or something while it runs; does it report everything that might be bad, or do I have to grep it out? |
| 14:56.46 | themill | KsM: are you running with -s ? |
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| 14:57.00 | zecrazytux | rc boot messages are only printed to tty0. how can i tell it to print to both consoles ? |
| 14:57.06 | KsM | I will now. |
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| 14:58.31 | Burgov | hi |
| 14:58.35 | dclarke | anyone know of a package server with packages for wheezy ? I was not able to find one during install and am stuck a bit |
| 14:58.55 | Burgov | how can i set the default browser through a single, non-interactive command ? |
| 14:59.21 | sney | dclarke: package server? like a network mirror for packages? |
| 14:59.28 | jeffrin | dclarke : may be ftp.nl.debian.org related |
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| 14:59.31 | sney | !wheezy sources.list |
| 14:59.33 | dclarke | sney : yes sir |
| 14:59.49 | dclarke | I have sources.list open in vi now and no idea what to put in there there |
| 15:00.01 | sney | hrm bot's a bit slow today - deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
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| 15:00.12 | themill | sney: I only just created that factoid, actually |
| 15:00.18 | dclarke | sney, awesome .. let me try that andthen a aptitude update |
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| 15:00.22 | sney | "contrib non-free" on the end there is optional ofc |
| 15:00.31 | dclarke | what is the popular way these days ? aptitude or apt-get or both ? |
| 15:00.44 | sney | both, they have different strengths |
| 15:01.34 | dclarke | guess I fell into the aptitude world a while back .. never came back from it |
| 15:02.13 | dclarke | ookay .. I onder, where does wheezy stand with NVidia Quadro cards ? Can I use the drivers from NVidia or am I still stuck on the not-so-awesome open source ones ? |
| 15:02.56 | sney | depends on the chip, nvidia is pretty vague about what they'll consider a "quadro" |
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| 15:03.31 | sney | the proprietary drivers are definitely also "not-so-awesome" anyway. hello, root exploit |
| 15:03.53 | dclarke | eek .. looks like I have nameserver issues, I can not resolve http.debian.net. problem must be PeBKaC |
| 15:03.54 | jeffrin | dclarke : may be try this http://pastebin.com/msP34gF2 in your sources.list |
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| 15:04.21 | sney | jeffrin: no, do NOT mix testing and stable. |
| 15:04.32 | sney | dclarke: aye, just check your network settings |
| 15:04.47 | dclarke | yeah .. it happens when I do installs. Forget my dns server ips |
| 15:04.53 | dclarke | smacks head |
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| 15:05.46 | jeffrin | dclarke : may be you can use 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 |
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| 15:06.19 | Etisfo | ChrootDirectory /srv/www/domain.tld/public_html, but on sftp it's just going to /srv/ |
| 15:06.22 | Etisfo | Why? |
| 15:06.24 | dclarke | gits a little sick on google overlords |
| 15:06.24 | jerem` | how can I set the dpkg non-interactive installation ? |
| 15:06.52 | dclarke | jeffrin, thanks but I run my own Bind 9.x servers |
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| 15:07.25 | Raydiation | why does debian ship python-moinmoin (1.9.3-1+squeeze1) when 1.9.4 includes security fixes? |
| 15:07.29 | dclarke | steps up to the soapbox |
| 15:07.35 | Raydiation | http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinDownload |
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| 15:07.53 | dclarke | Dear debian users and friends, lend me your thoughts, what pray tell is the best graphics cards on the planet for a Debian workstation ? |
| 15:08.05 | dclarke | hops for NVidia |
| 15:08.11 | sney | it's a pretty bad situation all around |
| 15:08.16 | Raydiation | or isnt http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/python-moinmoin up to date? |
| 15:08.18 | dclarke | hopes for NVidia |
| 15:08.27 | dkr | dclarke: the one that just had a privilege escalation exploit in linux? ;) |
| 15:08.30 | dclarke | sney, really :-( |
| 15:08.43 | sney | nvidia drivers have 0 day exploits, ati is taking their sweet time on a very important update |
| 15:08.54 | dclarke | blood yhell |
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| 15:09.03 | jeffrin | dclarke : intel may be good |
| 15:09.19 | dclarke | is there a simple command , like pciscan I guess, that tells me what graphics card I have ? |
| 15:09.28 | sney | lspci -nn |grep -i vga |
| 15:09.41 | dclarke | 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV41GL [Quadro FX 1400] [10de:00ce] (rev a2) |
| 15:09.53 | sney | ,pciid 10de:00ce |
| 15:09.54 | judd | [10de:00ce] is 'NV41GL [Quadro FX 1400]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:00ce and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 15:10.27 | sney | yeah, that should be supported by the nvidia binary blob as well. just be aware of the security hole |
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| 15:10.33 | sney | !tell dclarke about nvidia dkms |
| 15:10.43 | themill | (hmm... I should refresh judd's pciid data for the out-of-tree data) |
| 15:11.00 | sney | dclarke: make sure you follow the instructions dpkg just sent you, instead of using the installer from nvidia.com. the latter breaks things |
| 15:11.05 | dclarke | well this should be fun .. I need to set up a new workstatin to live with for a year or so, I am going with Debian wheezy ( as opposed to RHEL6 ) and the graphics and sound are of value to me. I know I can run VMware Workstation 8with a few tweaks |
| 15:11.18 | dclarke | sney, don't I know it |
| 15:11.40 | dclarke | sney, thank you very very much |
| 15:12.05 | sney | np |
| 15:12.11 | dclarke | well then .. I need to have a go here at build-essental and then maybe install VMware stuff and see what happens |
| 15:12.22 | dclarke | be back .. with tears or not, later |
| 15:12.31 | dclarke | goes to pray over a workstation |
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| 15:16.39 | dclarke | heeeyyyy .. GCC 4.7.1 is in wheezy ? well now .. I must make another $$donantion$$ to the cause |
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| 15:17.32 | dclarke | hold it .. how do I get good ol twm as an option at the login gui ? |
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| 15:17.48 | woden | I want to login with no root password, how can this be accomplished? |
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| 15:18.19 | dclarke | set root passwd to blank |
| 15:18.25 | dclarke | scary .. but possible |
| 15:18.52 | woden | dclarke, I tried that but it doesn't let me auto-login. how do I enable auto-login? |
| 15:19.03 | woden | i want my system to boot up to console and auto-login a sroot |
| 15:19.08 | dclarke | what do you mean by auto-login ? |
| 15:19.12 | dclarke | oh |
| 15:19.41 | dclarke | hrmmm .. I would think there is a config to the login process which allows for no-login required. It is an old thing ddone on Solaris sytems years ago |
| 15:19.53 | dclarke | let me ponder that |
| 15:19.54 | woden | yeah |
| 15:19.57 | woden | okay thanks :D |
| 15:20.17 | dclarke | I mean the systems at JPL did that for years .. you walk up or telnet in and bingo you get a shell |
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| 15:21.34 | woden | would this work sheep? http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/04/30/autologin-linux-console-mode/ |
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| 15:22.56 | dclarke | is surprised to see no file for login in /etc/defaults |
| 15:23.21 | themill | (inittab) |
| 15:23.30 | dclarke | nods |
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| 15:26.28 | dclarke | must run now |
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| 15:35.18 | fishsponge | hello! anybody here use fdupes?? |
| 15:35.56 | fishsponge | i am running "fdupes --recurse --hardlink testdir" and it's finding the duplicates, but not hardlinking them... |
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| 15:38.55 | UukGoblin | looks like NetworkManager can't really run along with wicd |
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| 15:39.18 | UukGoblin | was endlessly authenticating and dropping my AP association |
| 15:39.36 | UukGoblin | another thing: why does 'reboot' issue a kexec rather than reboot? |
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| 15:41.02 | David^ | When uploading via `scp`, there are two speeds listed -- I assume one is the current upload speed, what is the other? |
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| 15:42.02 | Mephisto | hi. |
| 15:42.34 | Mephisto | i was trying to install testing, but everytime the installation gets jammed on mirror scan |
| 15:42.38 | Mephisto | what's the nature of this issue? |
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| 15:43.33 | dkr | David^: there is only one speed(bytes/sec). %complete, total bytes transferred, bytes/sec, estimated time of completion |
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| 15:44.20 | dkr | Mephisto: firewall issue perhaps? maybe you need to use a proxy |
| 15:44.46 | UukGoblin | man reboot doesn't mention kexec |
| 15:44.48 | David^ | dkr: http://ompldr.org/vZXlqeg |
| 15:44.51 | Mephisto | no, it NEVER happened with squeeze. |
| 15:44.57 | Mephisto | only with testing for some reason. |
| 15:45.18 | Mephisto | i never do anything special, just choose a mirror and then all goes smoothly |
| 15:45.21 | sney | what mirror did you select |
| 15:45.26 | Mephisto | the main one. |
| 15:45.30 | Mephisto | and my local one too. Same thing. |
| 15:45.38 | Mephisto | for some reason it gets stuck. |
| 15:45.42 | cortman | Did you input a proxy at all? |
| 15:45.47 | Mephisto | no. And i never do it. |
| 15:45.59 | sney | if you go to the (alt-f4) console does it show any interesting errors? |
| 15:46.17 | geekbri | UukGoblin: you may be able to stop using kexec as the default reboot handler by doing dkpkg-reconfigure kexec-tools |
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| 15:46.22 | Mephisto | ah... sorry, i never did it either :) But i will. I come back when i'm done, thanks. Somehow i didn't realize i could do that.. |
| 15:46.37 | geekbri | UukGoblin: YMMV, be careful :) |
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| 15:47.10 | David^ | dkr: See what I mean? |
| 15:47.24 | dkr | David^: weird. mine doesn't have that. OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze2 |
| 15:47.27 | UukGoblin | geekbri, yeah, that seems to work, thanks. |
| 15:47.38 | UukGoblin | geekbri, why 'careful'? :) |
| 15:47.56 | UukGoblin | can I blow my machine up by rebooting? |
| 15:48.03 | David^ | dkr: OpenSSH_5.9p1-hpn13v11lpk, OpenSSL 1.0.0j 10 May 2012 |
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| 15:48.32 | geekbri | UukGoblin: No, I think its only an issue if you go the other way... no kexec -> kexec, but I haven't tried the reverse |
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| 15:48.40 | sney | David^: vps? |
| 15:48.43 | dkr | David^: check the changelog? maybe they'll mention the change :) |
| 15:48.47 | UukGoblin | cool thanks geekbri |
| 15:48.58 | David^ | sney: Some shell account. |
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| 15:49.18 | David^ | dkr: I will. Thanks. |
| 15:49.27 | UukGoblin | any thoughts on whether NetworkManager should be allowed to run concurrently to wicd? |
| 15:49.28 | sney | shell/vps providers always modify things for no apparent reason. it's probably a custom option related to that service somehow |
| 15:49.57 | UukGoblin | that was the case after I installed from an xfce live image and then apt-got gnome |
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| 15:50.10 | sney | UukGoblin: both do the same thing, and network-manager's daemon will always try to wrest control of any interfaces unless they're declared otherwise. you could make them both work at the same time, but it'd take some tinkering. why would you want to? |
| 15:50.15 | dkr | judd: versions openssh-client |
| 15:50.16 | judd | Package: openssh-client on i386 -- lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze2; sid: 1:6.0p1-2; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-2 |
| 15:50.53 | UukGoblin | sney, I couldn't connect to wifi AP using GUIs when they were both running |
| 15:51.05 | UukGoblin | sney, and I don't know why they were both running |
| 15:51.06 | sney | that's about what I would expect |
| 15:51.08 | dkr | David^: you version is weird, too. :) |
| 15:51.12 | David^ | sney: It's the same on Gentoo on my laptop. |
| 15:51.13 | sney | UukGoblin: well, remove one of them |
| 15:51.27 | David^ | dkr: I think it prefers the term "unique". :p |
| 15:51.27 | UukGoblin | sney, removed NetworkManager and wicd now works fine |
| 15:51.41 | UukGoblin | sney, I'm thinking they should be marked as conflicting or sth |
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| 15:51.56 | sney | UukGoblin: mm, I see what you're saying |
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| 15:54.50 | UukGoblin | I'll try to raise an issue about later I guess |
| 15:54.55 | UukGoblin | about it* |
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| 16:22.20 | ratatata | nu |
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| 16:22.24 | _ramok | is there a way, how i can get the subject name of a certificate? |
| 16:22.27 | _ramok | hi btw ;) |
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| 16:27.55 | nsadmin | _ramok, found a vb and a java way so far |
| 16:28.24 | _ramok | nsadmin: what do you mean? |
| 16:28.39 | _ramok | nsadmin: i have the following problem |
| 16:28.40 | _ramok | i've generated a certificate request and bought an SSL certificate for a domain.... www.mydomain.com and mydomain.com . i've ordered one more wildcard certificate for the same domain, just for *.mydomain.com . now an extern customer try to access one page that have this wildcard certificate installed, but he's getting the message: SSL: certificate subject name 'www.mydomain.com' does not match target host name 'subdomain.mydomain.com'; |
| 16:29.38 | ansgar | _ramok: openssl x509 -text -noout -in foo.pem |
| 16:30.13 | _ramok | ansgar: i don't have anything in a .pem format... i just have .crt , .key file |
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| 16:30.59 | ansgar | _ramok: File extensions don't matter too much. Just feed it the public key. |
| 16:31.17 | _ramok | ansgar: okay, just a sec |
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| 16:31.34 | _ramok | ansgar: whih one is the public one? SSLCertificateKeyFile? |
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| 16:31.38 | nsadmin | https://www.google.com/search?q=get+subject+name+from+certificate&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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| 16:33.35 | Calinou | nsadmin, use lmgtfy instead, to troll people :p |
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| 16:35.43 | nsadmin | Calinou, troll? search result. |
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| 16:36.12 | nsadmin | if you felt triggered by that, maybe your search skills need updating |
| 16:36.18 | _ramok | ansgar: can i show you the result? |
| 16:37.28 | ansgar | _ramok: Sure (-> paste.debian.net). Though I am not sure what I should do with it. |
| 16:38.21 | _ramok | ansgar: just have a look, if the certificate is correct for subdomain.mydomain.com .... |
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| 16:40.47 | ansgar | _ramok: Well, it says *.bla.com there; no www.bla.com. |
| 16:41.01 | ansgar | _ramok: Maybe you use the wrong certificate somewhere? |
| 16:41.01 | _ramok | so it look good, right? |
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| 16:54.46 | FriendlySeal | hi |
| 16:54.58 | FriendlySeal | how come all linux distributons r not rolling |
| 16:55.09 | woden | go to archlinux |
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| 17:04.08 | Losowski | Good evening |
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| 17:05.33 | _ramok | do you guys know, which curl version supports apache SNI ? |
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| 17:07.32 | qubodup | hi |
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| 17:16.13 | woshty | hi, what does the trunk in linux-image-3.4-trunk-amd64 mean? |
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| 17:18.29 | FriendlySeal | how come all linuxes are not rolling |
| 17:18.34 | twobitsprite | woshty: means it's from the mainline branch of the linux git repo |
| 17:18.44 | scientes | woshty, just means it comes directly from git |
| 17:18.58 | scientes | twobitsprite, its actually not mainline, its the last stable branch |
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| 17:19.11 | woshty | ah, that trunk .. thx |
| 17:19.32 | scientes | 3.5 just got released, expect it in experimental soon |
| 17:19.51 | twobitsprite | scientes: hmm... I thought trunk was the opposite of branch |
| 17:20.14 | scientes | twobitsprite, so do i, but that is not what its been fallowing |
| 17:20.27 | scientes | its been fallowing the latest stable branch, they get released every 3 months, which is pretty fast |
| 17:20.53 | scientes | fedora and ubuntu actually fallow trunk in their development releases |
| 17:20.53 | twobitsprite | *shrug* I have no idea how they manage their git repo |
| 17:21.07 | twobitsprite | also, it's spellec "follow" :) |
| 17:21.12 | twobitsprite | spelled* (doh!) |
| 17:21.17 | scientes | haha |
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| 17:22.22 | twobitsprite | FriendlySeal: some people prefer stability |
| 17:22.27 | ARBrad | Is Yaboot known to stop Macs from being able to boot official mac OS cds? |
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| 17:22.55 | sp4rc | guys i would like to bind iscsitarget (ietd) to a specific address which is parameter '-a' |
| 17:23.08 | sp4rc | where should i put that |
| 17:23.16 | sp4rc | /etc/init.d/iscsitarget |
| 17:24.01 | Sa[i]nT | What's it called when you see people that have their cpu stats on their desktop? |
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| 17:25.24 | FriendlySeal | my rolling distro is more stable than ubuntu non roling any day |
| 17:25.51 | Losowski | FriendlySeal: Which distory may that be? |
| 17:26.02 | Losowski | *distro |
| 17:26.03 | FriendlySeal | debian squeez |
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| 17:28.39 | Diopter | Er... not sure if you know this or not, but A) Squeeze isn't rolling, it's the exact opposite, and B) Ubuntu has pretty static releases every 6 months. |
| 17:30.20 | DarkLobster | I get "dpkg: error processing xinetd (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 100" Is there a way to find out what this(100) actually means? |
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| 17:31.10 | syssi | DarkLobster: do you know where the post-install scripts are located? |
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| 17:32.00 | syssi | DarkLobster: take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info. |
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| 17:32.16 | DarkLobster | syssi: I was just about to say /var/lib/dpkg/info :-] |
| 17:32.18 | syssi | DarkLobster: there is lying some xinetd.postinst around. isn't it? |
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| 17:32.44 | DarkLobster | Yes, it is. |
| 17:33.01 | syssi | DarkLobster: open it, replace "#!/bin/bash" with "#!/bin/bash -x" |
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| 17:33.31 | syssi | DarkLobster: now the script will be very very chatty if its executed again. |
| 17:33.45 | DarkLobster | syssi: It says '#!/bin/sh -e', but I'll do as you say. |
| 17:34.40 | syssi | DarkLobster: "sh" doesn't know "-x". |
| 17:34.47 | syssi | DarkLobster: rewrite it to "bash -x32 |
| 17:34.54 | syssi | DarkLobster: bash -x |
| 17:35.33 | DarkLobster | Ahh :). A bit.. |
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| 17:35.47 | syssi | DarkLobster: now run dpkg/apt-get again and try to install/do, what you initially wanted. |
| 17:36.03 | syssi | DarkLobster: if dpkg passes the xinetd post-installation again, it will be verbose. |
| 17:36.24 | pfrost | sp4rc: i think iet is configured to bind to an address when the TPG is configured, not when the daemon is started. |
| 17:36.29 | syssi | DarkLobster: you can see every line / step of the script. so you can identify the return code / problem. |
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| 17:36.42 | DarkLobster | Yes, that was nice :). Now I got 'invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/xinetd not found.' which I guess is the culprit. |
| 17:36.53 | sp4rc | pfrost: default is to bind to any |
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| 17:37.22 | sp4rc | pfrost: i solved it by adding '-- --address=x.x.x.x' to start-stop-daemon |
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| 17:37.43 | syssi | DarkLobster: hopefully this is the fault. be careful. you can mess up the package system :-P |
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| 17:37.51 | pfrost | sp4rc: actually, i'm thinking of LIO, not IET. Guess I can't keep all the iSCSI implementations straight. |
| 17:38.10 | syssi | DarkLobster: reinstall xinetd if you're done or be sure to revert the bash -x thing. |
| 17:38.17 | alcy | Hello folks, any suggestions on using sed or tr to replace particular unicode characters with something else ? I dont even know what locale they belong to, but do know their hex codes |
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| 17:38.42 | pfrost | alcy: what kind of unicode? |
| 17:39.07 | alcy | pfrost: non-ascii - multibyte |
| 17:39.21 | syssi | alcy: calc the octal and use: tr \NNN 'x' |
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| 17:39.32 | pfrost | alcy: ucs16? ucs32? utf8? |
| 17:39.32 | DarkLobster | syssi: That's what I'm trying to do, actually.. 'apt-get install xinetd'. But something is messed up, that's sort of for sure.. |
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| 17:39.41 | alcy | pfrost: utf8 |
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| 17:40.04 | alcy | alcy: like lowercase c with acute |
| 17:40.12 | alcy | ah i mean pfrost ^ |
| 17:40.29 | arokux1 | Hi, a lot of RC-bugs are fixed and the correspoding packages are in unstable. What is the procedure for them to move to testing? |
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| 17:41.03 | pfrost | alcy: i'm pretty sure tr works only on bytes, and less sure about sed. The answer may be, "don't use sed or tr". |
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| 17:41.42 | alcy | pfrost: yeah, that's what it seems like |
| 17:41.53 | alcy | syssi: any example ? |
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| 17:46.57 | KOJIbKA | want to upgrade Skype installation on Debian 6. Had v.2.2.0.35. Now to upgrade up to v.4.0. Had anybody had positive experience with that? My machine is AMDx64 by the way |
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| 17:48.06 | pfrost | alcy: the gnu sed manual at http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html does have several occurrances of "utf-8" and "multibyte" which seem to imply It Just Works. At least, if the locale-environment-variable-stars are aligned. |
| 17:48.41 | alcy | pfrost: hmm, thx for pointing out, will try |
| 17:49.03 | pfrost | KOJIbKA: skype on linux AND an AMD CPU? I didn't think any positive experience was possible in such a configuration. |
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| 17:49.14 | jhutchins_wk | KOJIbKA: If you upgrade from the skype version to the new MS version things might work differently. |
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| 17:49.44 | jhutchins_wk | KOJIbKA: I know they're supposedly routing more of the calls through their servers now. |
| 17:50.05 | KOJIbKA | all: well that's quite an answer. let it be old one. |
| 17:50.11 | jhutchins_wk | I would expect that they would change the encryption to something they had a back door to. |
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| 17:56.31 | bfig | hello, i'm having trouble with my mic on 64 bit wheezy |
| 17:56.44 | bfig | i installed the 32b libs and it worked for a while, now it doesn't |
| 17:56.46 | bfig | (for skype) |
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| 17:58.02 | bfig | stupid OS failing me in the middle of a *job interview* |
| 17:58.41 | simonlnu | more like skype is a pos |
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| 17:58.45 | tomreyn | complain with microsoft if skype dont work ;-) |
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| 17:59.43 | pfrost | bfig: do you really want to work for an employer that uses skype? |
| 17:59.58 | bfig | sure but it's not a skype probelm |
| 18:00.07 | DammitJim | anyone have experience with ettercap? |
| 18:00.09 | bfig | the mic is not captured from alsa mixer |
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| 18:01.30 | arokux1 | Hi, a lot of RC-bugs are fixed and the correspoding packages are in unstable. What is the procedure for them to move to testing? |
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| 18:02.27 | themill | arokux1: "lots" is probably an exaggeration. The maintainer contacts the release team and asks them to allow that package to migrate. The release team will do a code review prior to permitting it |
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| 18:03.30 | arokux1 | themill, well, I do not have the over statistic, but it's maybe the half of those that I saw... |
| 18:03.53 | themill | arokux1: if we had fixed 50% of the RC bugs by now we'd be overjoyed.... |
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| 18:05.03 | arokux1 | themill, well, everybody says it.. and it's strange for me. look at them yourself. currently i'm looking for a possibility to filter the fixed bugs out, although they are fixed in unstable |
| 18:07.04 | arokux1 | http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy&merged=ign&done=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=source&sorto=asc |
| 18:07.12 | arokux1 | themill, only 400 bugs |
| 18:07.21 | arokux1 | and not 600, as everybody is saying |
| 18:08.07 | arokux1 | so 1/3 of RC-bugs is fixed already, but the fix has not yet landed in testing, it's in unstable |
| 18:08.53 | themill | arokux1: you're making the assumption that those packages can migrate -- there could be plenty of other reasons this has not happened (such as there still being other RC bugs in the same package) |
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| 18:10.06 | arokux1 | themill, I see. However, how could I know this package can migrate or not, except for the case if there are other RC bugs against same package. |
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| 18:10.15 | themill | arokux1: if you look at http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy_not_sid&merged=ign&fnewerval=7&rc=1&sortby=source&sorto=asc you'll see that's true for many of them |
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| 18:10.40 | themill | arokux1: as I said, the maintainer should be talking to the release team |
| 18:11.49 | themill | arokux1: (another reason why packages can't migrate yet is that they haven't had their 10 days in sid to try to catch other bugs yet. you don't want to fix one RC bug and accidentally add two more) |
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| 18:13.02 | arokux1 | themill, this one I know. |
| 18:13.30 | arokux1 | themill, I do not quite understand what you wanted to show with "wheezy, not sid" filter. |
| 18:13.48 | themill | arokux1: that's the list of bug you claim are fixed and only waiting for package migration |
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| 18:14.29 | themill | (a quick sample of those shows lots of "waiting for 10 days" and a few more "fails to build on some architecture, not considered" as well as a couple of simply "blocked, contact release team") |
| 18:15.11 | gr33n7007h | Sup! just installed Debian Squeeze 6.0.5 but there is not NM any help appreciated? |
| 18:15.57 | arokux1 | themill, so the very unfixed ones are those you were showing to me, with "wheezy, not sid" filter.. |
| 18:16.20 | mallxs | themill: how do is set a package on hold ? |
| 18:16.50 | arokux1 | mallxs, apt-mark hold samba |
| 18:16.58 | arokux1 | samba as example |
| 18:17.13 | mallxs | thx |
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| 18:17.34 | themill | arokux1: that "wheezy not sid" filter is the list of bugs you claim are fixed and only waiting for migration. If you click on the name of the package, you'll see the reason why they haven't migrated and it's often non-trivial. |
| 18:17.46 | arokux1 | mallxs, check if it worked out by dpkg-query --get-selections | grep hold |
| 18:18.01 | arokux1 | mallxs, otherwise try: aptitude hold <pkg-name> |
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| 18:19.32 | woden | what is the default root password since I skipped it during the setup? |
| 18:19.43 | xhoch3 | hello everybody =) |
| 18:19.51 | arokux1 | woden, what do you mean by skip? |
| 18:19.55 | gr33n7007h | Sup! just installed Debian Squeeze 6.0.5 but there is not NM any help appreciated? |
| 18:20.00 | xhoch3 | are there any people around who know how to make a debian package? |
| 18:20.09 | woden | arokux1, I just clicked the Next button twice and left it blank |
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| 18:20.45 | xhoch3 | I have some free software that got locked up and I want to develop it further |
| 18:20.51 | vaus | woden: http://wiki.debian.org/Root |
| 18:21.42 | gusnan | xhoch3, http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 18:21.59 | jhutchins_wk | xhoch3: What do you mean "got locked up"? |
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| 18:22.30 | arokux1 | woden, try sudo su, and press enter on password prompt. if it hasn't worked out my guess is you need to reset you root password using instructions from the wiki page that was just shown to you |
| 18:22.31 | xhoch3 | jhutchins: the original author held all copyrights, so he continued developing it as proprietary software |
| 18:22.58 | xhoch3 | jhutchins_wk: the original author held all copyrights, so he continued developing it as proprietary software |
| 18:23.19 | xhoch3 | he didn't want to develop it under the terms of GPL anymore, so I forked it |
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| 18:24.12 | xhoch3 | gusnan: I know there are guides, but actually I have a limited time and it would be great if someone experienced can give me a speedup with this. |
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| 18:25.57 | xhoch3 | it is about this project: http://code.google.com/p/free-bouml/ |
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| 18:29.30 | simonlnu | !ifrp |
| 18:29.30 | dpkg | For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 18:29.41 | woden | How do I start X at boot with debian testing? |
| 18:30.07 | simonlnu | install a dm |
| 18:30.11 | simonlnu | !dm |
| 18:30.11 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
| 18:30.59 | simonlnu | jhutchins_wk: got locked up because of unpaid fines :P |
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| 18:32.45 | xhoch3 | simonlnu: I think the author just wants to make a buck with it. |
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| 18:33.37 | woden | simonlnu, how do start X at boot without using a display manager? |
| 18:33.37 | xhoch3 | which is nothing that's bad, but actually he was really trying to remove the sources from everywhere |
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| 18:34.34 | simonlnu | woden: otherwise it's just a PITA. it's easier to do it with a DM |
| 18:34.58 | woden | simonlnu, I need this to be as light as weight as possible. I need to start X windows as root user... |
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| 18:35.12 | simonlnu | xhoch3: well, if he wanted to close the source, that's what one would do, if it was already in the wild. |
| 18:35.21 | simonlnu | woden: don't run x as root |
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| 18:36.17 | woden | simonlnu, I want to. |
| 18:36.23 | woden | this is a special purpose |
| 18:37.08 | simonlnu | wanders off |
| 18:37.28 | arokux1 | woden, maybe it will be usefult for you: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Start_X_at_boot |
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| 18:39.45 | youlysses | woden: create a config file as .xinitrc, then "startx". |
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| 18:46.37 | mallxs | is apt-get build-deb outdated ? i get E: Invalid operation build-deb |
| 18:46.40 | jhutchins_wk | xhoch3: If the previous code was copyrighted, you can't just fork it. |
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| 18:50.05 | jelly-home | mallxs: build-dep |
| 18:50.26 | mallxs | ok thx i'm a bit wordblind |
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| 18:50.33 | jelly-home | derp |
| 18:51.03 | jelly-home | ^ not an apt-get command |
| 18:51.20 | woden | How do I automatically log on as root? |
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| 18:52.15 | dkr | woden: init=/bin/sh |
| 18:52.28 | xhoch3 | jhutchins_wk: I can, it was released under GPL |
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| 18:53.54 | woden | dkr, where do I stick that line? somewhere in /etc/inittab ? |
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| 18:55.33 | woden | why can't I "su -" and hit Return key. |
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| 18:55.41 | woden | my root has no password. |
| 18:56.03 | jelly-home | "set up a password" is the easiest workaround |
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| 18:56.29 | woden | jelly-home, i want this to be a password-less root system |
| 18:56.56 | youlysses | woden: Wow, why? |
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| 18:57.22 | born2troll | hey someone got a twitter client running on debian stable? |
| 18:57.39 | woden | youlysses, i'm running a cd-rom live disc with a root program |
| 18:57.39 | born2troll | if yes plz tell me how |
| 18:57.45 | jelly-home | woden: you can achieve that, but it's simpler to just publish the root password with your image. |
| 18:58.10 | woden | jelly-home, okay. so how do I automatically logon as root with a published root password? |
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| 18:58.38 | youlysses | woden: Oh, ok. But like jelly-home said it be easier if you just set the password to "root" or something. :-P |
| 18:59.01 | simonlnu | omfg... |
| 18:59.07 | woden | youlysses, okay fine i agree i have a password ....so how do auto-login as root? |
| 18:59.16 | jelly-home | woden: if you merely want a working root shell on the console, modify inittab to run a shell as a login command instead of the default login: prompt |
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| 18:59.23 | jelly-home | woden: grml.org livecd does that |
| 19:00.21 | jelly-home | they have a nice setup with a menu on tty1, a root screen on tty2, a user screen on tty3 and some other nifty stuff |
| 19:00.45 | woden | that's not what I'm designing though....but thank you. |
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| 19:02.12 | jelly-home | well what is your goal then, if not running a root shell automatically or running some other arbitrary command at the console? |
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| 19:04.15 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 19:05.25 | simonlnu | woden: i would do some research here, instead of asking random questions of people. i mean some *real* research. |
| 19:05.57 | simonlnu | woden: then have a plan of some sort to do this right. |
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| 19:06.18 | born2troll | simonlnu, i think people know that and that they ask means they got stuck at there research |
| 19:06.43 | simonlnu | born2troll: this is basic stuff you can find *anywhere* |
| 19:06.49 | KsM | is there a way to make a bash script catch a sigterm |
| 19:07.00 | simonlnu | KsM: 'trap' |
| 19:07.09 | KsM | okay |
| 19:07.48 | mallxs | xhoch3: you better ask that on groklaw.net |
| 19:08.46 | born2troll | simonlnu, you mean my twitter problem? i tried several out oft the packet repo and none works cause twitter protokoll got updated. but thx for treading me like a morone anyway |
| 19:08.55 | simonlnu | born2troll: no, i don't |
| 19:08.59 | xhoch3 | mallxs: I don't understand, why? |
| 19:09.00 | scottj | my computer isn't dimming screen, is there a way to see what events are stopping it? |
| 19:09.28 | simonlnu | sighs |
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| 19:09.53 | pparadis | xhoch3: what was your original question? i read the scrollback, but i didn't catch an actual question. |
| 19:10.03 | mallxs | xhoch3: cos they really know how the gpl works |
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| 19:10.35 | xhoch3 | mallxs: I also know how it works. I developed a few software products under GPL. |
| 19:10.40 | xhoch3 | (and still do) |
| 19:10.53 | xhoch3 | pparadis: I was looking for some assistance on building a deb. |
| 19:10.55 | mallxs | but as far as i know if your source is GPL (2/3) you can fork it aslong as you keepit under the same license |
| 19:11.15 | xhoch3 | mallxs: yes, I never claimed the opposite |
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| 19:11.41 | mallxs | ok lol then we have the same problem ... building the |
| 19:11.45 | mallxs | .deb |
| 19:11.56 | pparadis | mallxs: unless he's going to retain a lawyer (as in pay a retainer for legal advice), asking on groklaw isn't really any better than discussing it here. i am not a lawyer, but have dealt extensively with FOSS (and closed source) licensing considerations, and he is indeed okay to fork the last GPLed version of that project. |
| 19:12.25 | mallxs | nice we all agree |
| 19:12.28 | simonlnu | yup, seconded (not a lawyer either) |
| 19:12.40 | xhoch3 | I thought about getting the name trademarked, too |
| 19:12.41 | superstraw | ianal |
| 19:12.49 | xhoch3 | but it is a bit expensive :P |
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| 19:13.12 | xhoch3 | that way I could tell the original author not to use the name for the software anymore |
| 19:13.15 | mallxs | i dont know if trademarked isn't already trademarked |
| 19:13.19 | pparadis | xhoch3: again, i'm not a lawyer, but if he's using later versions (his versions, that is) of the project in a commercial context already, you're not going to be able to trademark it yourself. |
| 19:13.37 | pparadis | whether or not the trademark is already registered would be irrelevant if he's already using it in a commercial context. |
| 19:13.41 | xhoch3 | pparadis: actually, free software is regarded as commercial, too |
| 19:13.58 | pparadis | right, but he's going to be able to aptly demonstrate first usage. |
| 19:14.08 | xhoch3 | yes, for the specific free software |
| 19:14.16 | pparadis | and engaging in commerce for actual monetary exchange will trump other considerations. |
| 19:14.24 | pparadis | (it's just the way our stuff is set up) |
| 19:14.30 | pparadis | but i'm veering horribly offtopic :) |
| 19:14.40 | xhoch3 | I don't think it is that easy |
| 19:14.41 | mallxs | for the name and btw it would not be fare is it ? |
| 19:14.59 | jelly-home | mallxs: if it's your source, you are the whole (c) owner, you can do whatever you want with it |
| 19:15.06 | xhoch3 | actually, locking up software isn't fair at all, so why care? :P |
| 19:15.31 | xhoch3 | there are many users who have used because it was free software |
| 19:15.38 | pparadis | as long as he isn't taking anybody else's code with the now proprietary version, the original author is totally in the clear. |
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| 19:15.42 | xhoch3 | it is not about being fair or not anymore |
| 19:15.44 | jelly-home | relicense to WTFPL or a completely restrictive license |
| 19:16.19 | mallxs | and as pparadis says .. we are off topic |
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| 19:16.43 | xhoch3 | mallxs: actually, I already have a bunch of debian files |
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| 19:16.55 | xhoch3 | but I don't have a clue how these work together |
| 19:17.08 | xhoch3 | and it is trying to patch something, it is using quilt(?= |
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| 19:17.42 | Quibus | hi |
| 19:18.06 | Quibus | I have a package which is listed as "rc", so I tried to purge it. But aptitude refuses, because it's not installed... |
| 19:18.09 | pparadis | xhoch3: have you already gone through this material? http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 19:18.27 | Quibus | dpkg refuses, even |
| 19:18.27 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Quibus |
| 19:18.36 | Quibus | d'ah |
| 19:19.09 | xhoch3 | pparadis: yeah, but is too long |
| 19:19.26 | xhoch3 | I don't have time for reading tons of stuff just to have a simple thing working |
| 19:19.40 | xhoch3 | or do you read manuals of your tv? ;) |
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| 19:20.12 | pparadis | xhoch3: when it comes to things like creating software and packaging it, i read all relevant documentation on the topic at hand. |
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| 19:20.42 | jelly-home | ALL of it! |
| 19:20.58 | xhoch3 | pparadis: Okay, fine, I don't. I don't have time to do that. Everything longer than 100 lines of text is too long. |
| 19:21.18 | pparadis | jelly-home: keep in mind, "the topic at hand" will be a subset of "holy shit everything in the universe", not the entire universe ;) |
| 19:21.30 | pparadis | xhoch3: what problem are you trying to solve here? |
| 19:22.01 | xhoch3 | build a debian binary package of sources |
| 19:22.11 | pparadis | for what purpose? |
| 19:22.12 | xhoch3 | with debian files already there |
| 19:22.22 | pparadis | to redistribute the package? to just use it yourself? |
| 19:22.23 | xhoch3 | for a project I forked before it went proprietary |
| 19:22.34 | xhoch3 | for future distribution |
| 19:22.43 | xhoch3 | http://code.google.com/p/free-bouml/ |
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| 19:23.27 | pparadis | xhoch3: then you need to thoroughly read and understanding debian packaging guidelines and procedures, whether you like it or not. otherwise you're going to produce a piece of crap, which i'm not interested in helping you do. we're all volunteers here, which means we're here to help when you have done your homework but get stuck. |
| 19:23.33 | pparadis | we're not here to do your work for you, though. |
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| 19:24.00 | pparadis | !tell xhoch3 about smart questions |
| 19:24.06 | xhoch3 | pparadis: if noone helps me I am not going to make a package. I am software developer, not a packaker. |
| 19:24.11 | pparadis | okay |
| 19:24.18 | xhoch3 | it's that easy |
| 19:24.24 | xhoch3 | I can compile from sources, i don't care |
| 19:24.29 | pparadis | perhaps you should find someone who is willing to do the work required to help you with packaging then. |
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| 19:24.44 | xhoch3 | I already emailed the guy that did it before |
| 19:24.52 | laurus | If I run Debian inside a virtual machine on Windows, can the Windows OS access the Debian "system"? |
| 19:24.57 | xhoch3 | but answer was like: change this and that and: good luck! |
| 19:25.13 | tensorpudding | laurus, access how |
| 19:25.19 | pparadis | laurus: dependson the virtualization in use, but with virtualbox for example there is a concept of "shared folders" |
| 19:25.20 | tensorpudding | there are ways |
| 19:25.21 | laurus | tensorpudding, I have no idea |
| 19:25.27 | laurus | Oh, I see |
| 19:25.32 | laurus | I meant more like, on the sly, behind the scenes |
| 19:25.35 | tensorpudding | shared folders are most direct |
| 19:25.39 | laurus | Through "backdoors" and what not |
| 19:25.52 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell xhoch3 about rfp |
| 19:25.56 | pparadis | laurus: if you control the host operating system, there's always ways to peek inside things. what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 19:26.12 | laurus | pparadis, I'm not trying to solve a problem actually, I'm more worried about Windows "spying on me". |
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| 19:26.27 | jelly-home | xhoch3: a RFP is the standard debian way of asking "I'd like someone to package this software for Debian plz" |
| 19:26.31 | pparadis | laurus: sounds like an excellent reason not to use a closed source operating system as the host OS. |
| 19:26.41 | laurus | pparadis, OK ;) |
| 19:26.53 | laurus | Is it possible to run a Windows VM inside of Debian then? |
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| 19:27.03 | pparadis | sure |
| 19:27.13 | pparadis | i've done that a lot with both KVM and virtualbox. |
| 19:27.16 | laurus | Oh great, I'll just do that then if I have to |
| 19:27.20 | xhoch3 | jelly-home: okay, and where is the correct place to do that? How do I get the package in the repos afterwards? |
| 19:27.28 | laurus | Is Qemu a good option? I remember checking it out a while ago |
| 19:27.47 | xhoch3 | jelly-home: I wrote software with other, but never cared for such things |
| 19:27.50 | xhoch3 | others* |
| 19:27.54 | jelly-home | xhoch3: read what dpkg wrote to you in private |
| 19:28.00 | pparadis | laurus: if you're interested in using debian as the host OS (which would be a good choice imo), have a look at this --> http://www.palegray.net/tutorials/debian-6-kvm-howto/ |
| 19:28.10 | laurus | pparadis, fantastic, thank you! |
| 19:28.13 | pparadis | sure thing |
| 19:28.46 | jelly-home | xhoch3: basically it's a bug report, a mail in certain format sent to debian's bug tracking system |
| 19:29.06 | pparadis | it would be the best way to find a packager. |
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| 19:31.09 | xhoch3 | jelly-home, pparadis: I see. I will try to tweak it myself first :P |
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| 19:31.18 | pparadis | xhoch3: sure thing |
| 19:31.30 | xhoch3 | thank you |
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| 19:36.20 | mallxs | jelly-home: should i run the apt-get build-dep in the src tree ? i did get the source with apt-get source, but now i get E: Unable to find a source package for g15deamon |
| 19:37.30 | jelly-home | mallxs: it does not matter where you run it |
| 19:38.47 | xhoch3 | god, that reportbug thing is horrible |
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| 19:39.09 | xhoch3 | I filed in a request, but it showed me 4k solutions for some stupid lexmark printer bug.. |
| 19:39.35 | xhoch3 | I didn't want to confirm 25 items at a time, sorry |
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| 19:39.59 | jelly-home | lolwut |
| 19:40.21 | xhoch3 | idk I just entered all required information, now it hung up |
| 19:40.55 | AlphaPinky | Hello. I would like to install squeeze debian on a Western Digital Storage i have. its called. MyBook. It has only 300mhz, i wonder if it is possible. |
| 19:41.08 | AlphaPinky | and 512mb ram |
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| 19:44.57 | woden | simonlnu, I have what I want now thanks for your help :) |
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| 19:46.09 | simonlnu | woden: good. good luck. |
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| 19:49.47 | simonlnu | AlphaPinky: yes, quite |
| 19:50.12 | simonlnu | AlphaPinky: from what you said, anyway. what sort of cpu? |
| 19:50.40 | AlphaPinky | Today it runs Linux 2.6.24.4 # 5tejl |
| 19:50.47 | AlphaPinky | armv5tejl |
| 19:51.05 | jelly-home | !arm |
| 19:51.05 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:51.13 | simonlnu | isn't that armel? |
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| 19:51.46 | jelly-home | AlphaPinky: that channel, #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net (a different network than this one!) might be more useful |
| 19:51.56 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 19:51.59 | AlphaPinky | thanks, ill check it. |
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| 19:54.57 | bonehead | hi |
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| 19:59.45 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 20:00.22 | holycow | i have a debian instance running on amazons ec2. when i run fdisk -l as root it insists that none of the partitions have a valid partition table despite the os it self running and me being logged into a session |
| 20:00.35 | holycow | anyone have any thoughts on what might be causing this? i'm googling zilch |
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| 20:03.21 | jelly-home | holycow: well... why would partitions themselves have a partition table? |
| 20:04.02 | holycow | well, devices actually |
| 20:04.04 | holycow | good point |
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| 20:05.15 | mallxs | ha ha i hoop they have there nas secured there at amazons |
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| 20:07.39 | jelly-home | holycow: does your /proc/partitions actually show any partitions |
| 20:08.11 | mallxs | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/tales-server-room-zoning-out |
| 20:08.13 | jelly-home | if it does, they might just be using a partition table format that Linux kernel knows about but fdisk doesn't |
| 20:08.23 | holycow | huh |
| 20:08.28 | holycow | thats a good point |
| 20:09.01 | jelly-home | thank you. My points are also available in green, teal and gold plated. |
| 20:09.18 | ompaul | jelly-home: I want a blue one please |
| 20:09.27 | jelly-home | sorry, out of the blue |
| 20:09.33 | ompaul | special order dept please |
| 20:09.41 | mallxs | how about jellypoints |
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| 20:11.06 | mallxs | what should i google to read something about supporting usb sound devices ? |
| 20:11.57 | rozie | mallxs: does lsusb recognize it? |
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| 20:12.28 | rozie | mallxs: check blacklisted modules - IIRC since some time usb sound devices are blacklisted by default |
| 20:12.58 | mallxs | ok that will give some the find out |
| 20:13.01 | mallxs | thx |
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| 20:18.18 | mallxs | rozie: lsusb tell me its iManufacturer 1 C-Media Electronics Inc. iProduct 2 USB PnP Sound Device ... but i also have sound on my mb .. are more the one sound device supported ? |
| 20:19.08 | rozie | I guess you want to route sound. it's possible AFAIK, but haven't done that |
| 20:19.34 | rozie | I had broken soundcard on MB, and USB wasn't working |
| 20:20.13 | rozie | I blacklisted module for MB card and unblacklisted module for USB card |
| 20:20.14 | mallxs | one is for my speaker and the this one is in my kb and used for my headphone |
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| 20:21.16 | ozzloy | svn has stored my pw in gnome-keyring, but git-svn isn't seeing it, and nor do i see it through seahorse. is seahorse able to show *all* passwords used on a machine? |
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| 20:21.26 | ozzloy | http://pastie.org/4379711 here's the contents of the stored pw file for svn |
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| 20:23.41 | simonlnu | ozzloy: no, only ones you feed it |
| 20:24.16 | simonlnu | git-svn isn't going to be using seahorse... |
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| 20:27.06 | ozzloy | i used this: https://gist.github.com/947237 and i've tried the pws it lists |
| 20:27.20 | ozzloy | none of them work. maybe i'm missing something |
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| 20:35.12 | ngc0202 | hey |
| 20:35.24 | ngc0202 | my debian is being weird :( |
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| 20:36.01 | sixx | debian makes my weiner hard |
| 20:36.08 | ngc0202 | When I change stuff for my mic in the sound thing, it doesn't save |
| 20:36.41 | youlysses | ngc0202: "Sound thing"? |
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| 20:36.52 | ngc0202 | system -> preferences -> sound |
| 20:37.04 | fkm | What's that? GNOME? |
| 20:37.09 | youlysses | Are you on Debian 6, GNOME2.x? |
| 20:37.19 | ngc0202 | I... maybe? |
| 20:38.12 | thewanderer1 | ngc0202, open gnome-terminal, type "alsamixer", navigate to the Capture tab, adjust the volume there - it should save |
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| 20:39.37 | ngc0202 | thewanderer1: It doesn't... That's why I'm here |
| 20:40.29 | thewanderer1 | ngc0202, alsamixer doesn't save the settings? you just mentioned a graphical utility |
| 20:41.10 | youlysses | Do you have a menu that lists "Applications Settings Places" or something of the like on a bar on your desktop? |
| 20:41.22 | ngc0202 | oh, sorry, I thought it was the same thing |
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| 20:42.00 | youlysses | iCarly: XD Awesome nick. |
| 20:42.20 | ngc0202 | thewanderer1: So I have Mic and Capture maxed out |
| 20:42.21 | iCarly | :-) |
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| 20:43.00 | ngc0202 | thewanderer1: But it's still not working |
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| 20:47.50 | ngc0202 | Anyone....? :( |
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| 20:49.40 | krababbel | when waking my PC from sleep, sometimes it forgets my xmodmap settings. |
| 20:49.43 | ngc0202 | Hurgh :/ grrr |
| 20:49.50 | nsadmin | ngc0202 you're saying it doesn't "save", do you mean ... |
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| 20:50.23 | ngc0202 | nsadmin: Well when I unmute them, close, and reopen, they're muted again |
| 20:50.40 | robscomputer | c |
| 20:51.15 | mallxs | rozie: i have two drevices now in Alsa Mixer but its doesnt do anything for my usb device ... is that what you experienced ? |
| 20:51.17 | nsadmin | ngc0202, so it doesn't take effect? |
| 20:51.26 | robscomputer | hello, I've searched but not sure if I'm overlooing something. Can you find dependancies from dpkg? |
| 20:51.37 | ngc0202 | Nope |
| 20:51.40 | nsadmin | do you have osmething playing now? |
| 20:51.49 | ngc0202 | Playing? |
| 20:52.11 | nsadmin | yeah, play an mp3 or something, go into the mixer, mute, see if the sound stops |
| 20:52.23 | ngc0202 | It does |
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| 20:53.05 | nsadmin | ok, when you exit alsamixer, does it start playing? |
| 20:53.14 | ngc0202 | no |
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| 20:53.35 | nsadmin | when you go back into alsamixer, does it show muted still |
| 20:53.40 | nsadmin | ? |
| 20:53.40 | ngc0202 | yes |
| 20:53.51 | nsadmin | ok, so it works for some, not others? |
| 20:54.01 | ngc0202 | not my microphone... |
| 20:54.18 | nsadmin | does it show your mic is muted now? |
| 20:54.23 | ngc0202 | ye |
| 20:54.24 | ngc0202 | +s |
| 20:54.27 | nsadmin | is there a mic plugged into the card? |
| 20:54.38 | ngc0202 | to my laptop, yes |
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| 20:54.43 | nsadmin | ok |
| 20:54.53 | ngc0202 | It's an analoggy one, not USB |
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| 20:55.28 | nsadmin | so it's in the laptop? lspci -nn | grep -i audio |
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| 20:56.17 | ngc0202 | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/L578bYHp |
| 20:56.26 | nsadmin | just so you know... I don't have a solution; still gathering info... maybe someone will see and comment |
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| 20:56.50 | DammitJim | when makjing a boottable usb drive for the debian installer, does dd render the usb drive read onlyh? |
| 20:57.01 | nsadmin | aha. so you have two cards |
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| 20:57.10 | ngc0202 | I do? |
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| 20:57.16 | nsadmin | looks that way |
| 20:57.29 | ngc0202 | Weird |
| 20:57.52 | nsadmin | look at: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 20:58.21 | nsadmin | maybe you'll see just one there, meaning only one has drivers inserted |
| 20:58.31 | ngc0202 | 0 [Intel[ |
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| 20:58.37 | ngc0202 | 1 [Generic] |
| 20:59.03 | nsadmin | so, you do see both |
| 20:59.12 | ngc0202 | I see two, yes |
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| 20:59.28 | zinx | ngc0202: one is the audio out of your video card (over the HDMI video/audio port) |
| 20:59.57 | nsadmin | zinx, card1 you think? |
| 21:00.00 | mallxs | nsadmin: i also have two devices .. and see them both in my alsa mixer |
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| 21:00.10 | zinx | nsadmin: yeah, the non-Intel one |
| 21:00.16 | ngc0202 | my alsa mixer has the first one selected |
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| 21:00.59 | nsadmin | my alsamixer makes me exit and restart to get the other card (if I had one, which not right now) |
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| 21:02.02 | mallxs | is that why i dont get any sound from the other card even if i select that one |
| 21:02.16 | nsadmin | well actually that's on the other laptop which might still be running lenny |
| 21:02.52 | ngc0202 | also, is my mic the "Microphone" or "Capture" |
| 21:03.15 | nsadmin | Capture could be your line in |
| 21:03.34 | ngc0202 | ok |
| 21:04.45 | nsadmin | mallxs, probably it's not your default card... maybe you can get it to make sound by configureing it to output to card1 |
| 21:05.31 | nsadmin | like, tell vlc (temporarily to output there) |
| 21:05.49 | nsadmin | err misplaced paren |
| 21:05.58 | nsadmin | like, tell vlc (temporarily) to output there |
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| 21:07.21 | mallxs | ngc0202: i dont know how it works but maybe you should look at /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 21:07.57 | ngc0202 | mallxs: And do what? o.O |
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| 21:08.10 | nsadmin | see what it says first :) |
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| 21:08.24 | ngc0202 | Nothing of particular interest to me |
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| 21:08.47 | mallxs | rappel i dont know how it works ... googling my self for it |
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| 21:11.25 | ngc0202 | I'd really like it if the mic worked... |
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| 21:12.56 | nsadmin | has it worked before using this operating system and this mic plugged in where it is? |
| 21:13.18 | ngc0202 | yeah it works fine in Windows |
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| 21:13.33 | ngc0202 | and it's plugged into the only place to plug it into :) |
| 21:13.46 | nsadmin | has it ever worked using linux? |
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| 21:13.55 | mallxs | ngc0202: some times a laptop has a hardware switch to block the mike ? did youcheck that ? |
| 21:13.56 | ngc0202 | No |
| 21:14.11 | ngc0202 | It's never worked on Linux |
| 21:14.19 | nsadmin | so essentially we're working on a new problem |
| 21:14.27 | ngc0202 | and I don't have a switch on the laptop |
| 21:14.36 | ngc0202 | On the mic wire though, but it's set to HIGH |
| 21:14.42 | ngc0202 | (as always) |
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| 21:19.15 | nsadmin | sometimes on intel hd, you have to tell the driver which model of intel it is, then it knows your particular configuration of controls and ins/outs |
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| 21:20.14 | ngc0202 | how do I do that? |
| 21:20.31 | ngc0202 | and also, Playback works fine |
| 21:21.34 | nsadmin | yes, as we tested |
| 21:21.46 | mallxs | ngc0202: do you have a "Recording" tab in you alsamixer ? |
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| 21:22.40 | ngc0202 | mallxs: Erm, yes |
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| 21:25.39 | idletask | Hello |
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| 21:28.28 | nsadmin | ngc0202, I don't have anything else I can tell you... but there is #alsa |
| 21:29.33 | idletask | http://sourceforge.net/projects/apt-mirror/forums/forum/197335/topic/5297601 <-- I have this problem, I'm trying to achieve something without a net connection and apt-get update returns non zero because of translation files |
| 21:29.54 | idletask | Is there a known, reliable workaround for this? |
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| 21:42.13 | fsmunoz | Greetings; trying to install a 32b package in amd64, did the add-architecture thing, but I'm being bitten by dependencies that are marked "all" and that apt resolves to "i386". I know this is the documented behaviour until the packages get marked multiarch, but is there some interim solution to this or should I just use getlibs and compile from source as before? |
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| 21:48.17 | Sicp | what's the latest Debian DE? |
| 21:48.22 | Sicp | adopted Gnome 3? |
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| 21:54.43 | Sicp | 1200 users and no one knows? :o |
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| 21:55.12 | petemc | the next stable should have gnome3 |
| 21:55.22 | Sicp | damn |
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| 21:56.31 | Sicp | alright then, thank you |
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| 21:56.35 | DotHack | someone manages HP proliant servers? I want to online update HDD firmare but the HP tools says i do not have the rigth drives? |
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| 22:02.52 | peterrooney | petemc: and kde and lxde and e17 and fvwm and dmii and... |
| 22:03.29 | peterrooney | 1200 users and his question wasn't particularly specific |
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| 22:04.36 | youlysses | peterrooney: I'm assuming he means by "default", but yeah Debian is so genera/l that's a decent point to make. :-P |
| 22:05.17 | petemc | he/she specifically asked about gnome3 |
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| 22:08.05 | peterrooney | petemc: I sit corrected; I accidentally glossed over the second part of the question. |
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| 22:12.52 | dioz_mio | hello, does anyone use wmii here? how do you get the help screen again? |
| 22:13.19 | dioz_mio | and what browser do we use in debian? |
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| 22:13.54 | nsadmin | hooza wee? |
| 22:14.14 | nsadmin | you can use any available browser you want |
| 22:14.23 | dioz_mio | what is the package name please? |
| 22:15.07 | nsadmin | for a browser? there's konqueror (which needs kde libs), iceweasel, lynx, links |
| 22:15.21 | nsadmin | google chrome, but I dunno the package name |
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| 22:16.03 | dioz_mio | i searched for iceweasel in aptitude and it has "iceweasel-dbg" and "iceweasel-webdeveloper" but no "iceweasel" alone |
| 22:16.07 | SiDz | Aug 2 18:13:12 Denv kernel: [ 1089.601333] type=1400 audit(1343945592.159:45): avc: denied { setattr } for pid=2162 comm="named" name="c.e.3.0.1.1.f.1.0.7.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa" dev=xvda1 ino=2277392 scontext=system_u:system_r:named_t:s0 tcontext=system_u:object_r:named_zone_t:s0 tclass=file |
| 22:16.10 | SiDz | how can i fix that!? |
| 22:16.14 | SiDz | selinux |
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| 22:17.14 | dioz_mio | nsadmin: do you happen to know how to get the help screen in wmii? |
| 22:17.17 | ecrane | YOu should be able to go to the google chrome download page and get a debian package. |
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| 22:18.06 | dioz_mio | ok i just got lynx, and hopefully i can find the wmii web site to learn some help |
| 22:18.36 | nsadmin | lynx is for text/terminal btw |
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| 22:19.18 | dioz_mio | yes, so what is the iceweasel package name to be installed? |
| 22:19.39 | nsadmin | , info wmii |
| 22:19.40 | judd | Package wmii (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: lightweight tabbed and tiled X11 window manager, version 3. Version: 3.6+debian-8; Size: 107.9k; Installed: 392k; Homepage: http://www.suckless.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/wmii; ITA: #612637 |
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| 22:20.34 | dioz_mio | you know all i really need is to get the ctrl-alt-whatever key shortcut to get the original help screen that teaches the basics |
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| 22:20.40 | dioz_mio | could someone just tell me? |
| 22:21.57 | nsadmin | in some programs it's F1 |
| 22:22.10 | nsadmin | I have no idea for that particular program |
| 22:22.28 | dioz_mio | no you see it is a really primitive window manager |
| 22:22.51 | nsadmin | I'm looking at the web page now |
| 22:22.54 | dioz_mio | nevermind i found a link on lynx |
| 22:23.11 | nsadmin | good job |
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| 22:26.54 | nsadmin | dioz_mio, so I'm looking at the download page; just so you know, the last release of anything in the downloads dir was made 2 years ago |
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| 22:50.29 | dwarder | hello everyone, i'm using this version of debian http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/21211-7-wm8650-netbook-linux-port/page__st__220 on the wm8650 netbook, will it be possible to have a logitech webcam working on this device? |
| 22:50.45 | dwarder | usb webcam |
| 22:51.59 | gnarface | dwarder: depends on which one. there is a page out there somewhere you can google up with a list of current driver support by usb webcam make+model # but i don't remember what its called off the top of my head, sorry |
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| 22:52.37 | gnarface | dwarder: do NOT just buy any usb webcam you want working. MOST of them DO NOT work at all. very few of them work 100% fully as in windows. |
| 22:53.26 | gnarface | dwarder: (unless you're looking to contribute a driver, in which case, enjoy!) |
| 22:53.38 | dwarder | gnarface: i already have a logitech webcome |
| 22:53.50 | dwarder | webcam* |
| 22:54.12 | dwarder | old one |
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| 22:57.04 | oscurochu | I just installed the net install debian cd using lvm partitioning. i have two partitions, /boot and ecrypted lvm partition. my computer refuses to boot the hard drive, wont even load grub. it just says press f1 to reboot... |
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| 22:57.45 | streuner | dwarder: well, its easy to buy a supported webcam then... |
| 22:58.16 | gnarface | dwarder: http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/#devices here i think this is up-to-date-ish |
| 22:58.30 | gnarface | can anyone confirm for me? |
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| 23:03.48 | holycow | ey guys |
| 23:03.54 | holycow | +h even |
| 23:04.28 | holycow | if i have a standard debian install with all directories in /, what happens when i use fstab to mount /var /usr to external mount points? |
| 23:04.45 | holycow | i know that the new mount points are what the file system sees |
| 23:05.06 | holycow | however, how do i 'move' the old ones out of the way so that they are not hidden? |
| 23:05.07 | caf | the existing contents are hidden while you have something mounted over a directory, if that's what you mean |
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| 23:05.53 | holycow | caf: precisely. should i just leave them in place so in case an external mount point dissapears they are there and the system can continue to boot |
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| 23:06.18 | holycow | or .. well i guess i have no choice. if i mv /usr /usr-old, i really only have one reboot to test if that works, is that correct? |
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| 23:10.18 | dwarder | gnarface: i beleive that on my netbook version they have a custom kernel, is there a way to check(using commands) that a certain webcam from the list http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/#devices will work with me netbook's current installation? |
| 23:10.36 | dwarder | with my* |
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| 23:11.33 | gnarface | dwarder: well to do that you'd have to be able to identify the camera you actually have by its own make&model (which may or may not exist on that list) ... if its a usb camera i think you would use lsusb. otherwise lspci |
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| 23:12.13 | dwarder | gnarface: i have video0 and video1 in my /dev/ when i connected my logitech webcam to my netbook |
| 23:12.45 | dwarder | gnarface: yes i see my webcam with lsusb |
| 23:12.56 | dwarder | it is queckcam e 3500 |
| 23:13.01 | dwarder | quickcam |
| 23:13.22 | dwarder | "QuickCam E 3500" |
| 23:13.25 | gnarface | dwarder: well? so far so good. open it up with vlc or luvcview or something. see if you get a picture |
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| 23:13.53 | gnarface | dwarder: for some reason i thought it was broken. you haven't even tried it yet? |
| 23:13.55 | dwarder | gnarface: the whole purpose is to setup a streaming video from this device |
| 23:14.14 | dwarder | gnarface: vlc then? |
| 23:14.56 | gnarface | dwarder: vlc will do it in theory. it wouldn't be my first choice if i could get ffmpeg working though. |
| 23:15.02 | gnarface | dwarder: it may be suitable for testing |
| 23:15.17 | dwarder | gnarface: it has only 800 mhz arm CPU |
| 23:15.25 | dwarder | gnarface: and 256 ram |
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| 23:18.31 | dwarder | gnarface: im my case, where i'm tight on cpu and ram, which tool should i use vlc or ffmpeg? |
| 23:19.09 | gnarface | dwarder: i'm recommending vlc because it has a gui and you don't seem very experienced. i think you need to get it working with something easy like vlc first before you graduate to ffmpeg. |
| 23:19.46 | gnarface | dwarder: ffmpeg is command-line only and will be difficult unless you already know what you're doing and already know that the webcam is fully functional |
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| 23:20.27 | dwarder | gnarface: thank you, "know that the webcam is fully functional |
| 23:20.39 | dwarder | gnarface: isn't that implyed by lsusb? |
| 23:21.32 | gnarface | dwarder: nothing is implied until you see it take pictures |
| 23:21.43 | dwarder | ok |
| 23:21.55 | gnarface | dwarder: its certainly looking very promising though |
| 23:22.26 | dwarder | good to hear :) |
| 23:22.47 | gnarface | dwarder: note: the command "dmesg" outputs useful info after things like, plugging in a usb device, fyi. next time you plug in the camera, run dmesg once before and after, and examine the lines that appear new after. |
| 23:22.47 | nsadmin | dwarder, lsusb just says "kernel sees hardware" |
| 23:24.18 | dwarder | gnarface: dmesg on this debian version gives me this: ERR: UOR_IICRead() Failed, errno=-5 |
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| 23:25.04 | gnarface | less promising, but may be unrelated. fyi dmesg is all kinds of stuff |
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| 23:30.59 | nsadmin | might want to find out what that call is... google for UOR_IICRead, OR for ERR: UOR_IICRead() Failed, errno=-5 (i.e., stick the whole message into google) |
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| 23:37.38 | SiDz | iptables-persistant fail to start at boot |
| 23:37.45 | SiDz | but when i start it after login |
| 23:37.48 | SiDz | it start fine |
| 23:37.48 | SiDz | !? |
| 23:38.00 | SiDz | weird? |
| 23:38.39 | SiDz | hoo i think i know why |
| 23:38.41 | gnarface | SiDz: probably starting too early |
| 23:38.50 | SiDz | cause, it have a hostname in a rules |
| 23:38.53 | SiDz | and bind9 is still not started |
| 23:38.59 | SiDz | so can't resolv that host |
| 23:39.01 | gnarface | bingo |
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| 23:39.45 | SiDz | time to change that for an ip:p |
| 23:43.36 | SiDz | nope |
| 23:43.37 | SiDz | same! |
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| 23:54.07 | gnarface | SiDz: the *network* is up right? |
| 23:55.23 | SiDz | yep i got it fixed |
| 23:55.27 | SiDz | i had an error in the ip:p |
| 23:55.35 | SiDz | 290.* (impossible ip) |
| 23:55.36 | SiDz | lol |
| 23:55.44 | SiDz | 209. was the right one |
| 23:56.25 | SiDz | im currently working with selinux, and selinux default policy dont accept fail2ban iptables/ip6tables command |
| 23:56.31 | SiDz | net_raw |
| 23:56.32 | SiDz | etc etc |
| 23:57.34 | *** join/#debian purlhakr_ (~quassel@72.186.77.208) |
| 23:57.57 | *** join/#debian KeatonT (~KeatonT@unaffiliated/keatont) |
| 23:59.07 | SiDz | same for openvpn, don't accept "ip" |