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| 00:07.48 | Dan39 | hey Diopter... so i was making the filesystem 1800GB big and then telling parted to make the partition 1850GB big... but guess what |
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| 00:08.12 | Dan39 | parted GB = 1000, while resize2fs 1024... |
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| 00:08.17 | Dan39 | >_< |
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| 00:12.04 | gnarface | lame |
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| 00:27.10 | SiDz | proftpd won't start when selinux is enforced |
| 00:27.12 | SiDz | any clue? |
| 00:27.20 | SiDz | i don't see anything in syslog |
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| 00:27.50 | paws | how can i find out which usb devices have been plugged in to my debian? |
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| 00:29.45 | dvs | paws: lsusb |
| 00:29.46 | deimos | Is there a location according to the FHS that I should throw SSL certificates that may be used by multiple applications? /usr/share/ssl-cert ? |
| 00:31.26 | paws | thanx, dvs |
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| 00:32.54 | nsadmin | SiDz, there should be logs for proftpd specifically |
| 00:33.09 | caf | deimos: debian puts them in /etc/ssl/certs (for trusted roots anyway) |
| 00:33.25 | SiDz | nsadmin right, nothing in proftpd.log |
| 00:33.39 | Sicp | in the "Select and install software" section of the netinstall setup process I selected Laptop, Graphical User Interface, SSH Server, Web Server |
| 00:33.56 | nsadmin | Sicp ok |
| 00:34.04 | Sicp | that should set me with OpenSSH-server/client for SSH Server, but what will it give me for the GUI and Web Server? |
| 00:34.18 | nsadmin | SiDz, try starting it standalone in foreground |
| 00:34.18 | Sicp | Laptop will give me rudimentary stuff I'm guessing |
| 00:34.33 | deimos | caf: hmm, I see, it looks like there's a lot of symlinks in there to /usr/share/ca-certificates, is there a tool that manages these and adds the links? |
| 00:34.40 | nsadmin | gui, probably gnome (-core at least) |
| 00:34.43 | SiDz | gaaaaaa i know why it dont start, bind9 can'T start cause of selinux |
| 00:34.48 | nsadmin | and apache for web server |
| 00:34.50 | SiDz | so proftpd won't resolv my local zone |
| 00:34.51 | SiDz | :) |
| 00:34.54 | vook | Is there a way to change the contents of the "block count" field, for example, in the superblock? Any suggestions (even via a hexeditor)? |
| 00:34.58 | Sicp | the latest gnome? |
| 00:34.59 | Sicp | :( |
| 00:35.03 | Sicp | woe is me |
| 00:35.07 | nsadmin | probably not |
| 00:35.18 | Sicp | gnome 2? that would be grand! |
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| 00:35.31 | Darkclaw66 | do I need to restart cron if I modify /etc/crontab ? |
| 00:35.32 | nsadmin | , versions gnome-session |
| 00:35.33 | judd | Package: gnome-session on i386 -- lenny: 2.22.3-2; squeeze: 2.30.2-3; sid: 3.4.2.1-1; wheezy: 3.4.2.1-1 |
| 00:35.59 | Sicp | I have...6.05 |
| 00:36.00 | nsadmin | so squeeze has 2.30 |
| 00:36.03 | Sicp | which is Squeeze |
| 00:36.08 | nsadmin | yep |
| 00:36.18 | Sicp | great, I can just set apt to ignore it |
| 00:36.27 | Sicp | when updating I mean |
| 00:36.39 | nsadmin | why ignore? |
| 00:36.47 | Sicp | because I don't want to end up with Gnome 3, ever |
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| 00:37.02 | nsadmin | then don't upgrade to wheezy |
| 00:37.09 | caf | deimos: update-ca-certificates |
| 00:37.10 | Sicp | which is bound to happen sooner or later, right? it's a rolling release |
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| 00:37.18 | caf | (it has a man page) |
| 00:37.23 | nsadmin | squeeze will not change |
| 00:37.26 | nsadmin | it does not roll |
| 00:37.31 | deimos | caf thank you! |
| 00:37.35 | Sicp | what does? |
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| 00:39.02 | Sicp | when I enable non-free in the sources.list, that'll allow me to grab the iwlwifi firmware that I need right? |
| 00:39.08 | nsadmin | well not recommending this (I actually recommend the opposite), put stable in your sources.list instead of naming it (like squeeze) |
| 00:39.18 | Sicp | never was able to have it figure out my wireless, not on my new Lenovo or the old Compaq |
| 00:39.35 | dwarder | i have a root user gui by default where can i change it? |
| 00:39.38 | nsadmin | I believe so, you should try it |
| 00:39.45 | deimos | ahh, lookie there, make-ssl-cert uses /etc/ssl/certs, should have apropos and looked at the man page lol |
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| 00:50.38 | dvs | paws: no prob |
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| 00:54.48 | dwarder | i have a setup where my distro loads into GUI with root login, how can i make it a regular user? |
| 00:54.55 | dwarder | logout doesn't work |
| 00:55.04 | dwarder | what files should i dig? |
| 01:01.48 | dwarder | found .xinitrc in the root folder .. |
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| 01:15.23 | k-man | apticron keeps giving me this error : Error: Timeout was reached |
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| 01:28.29 | SiDz | yayaya selinux working, no more denied at boot |
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| 01:43.51 | paws | lsusb doesnt show me all my usb devices... how else can i search for them? |
| 01:44.15 | jagginess | paws, on the usb ports? |
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| 01:44.58 | paws | yes |
| 01:45.21 | jagginess | paws, did you try changing ports for that device? sometimes it can be a cable issue |
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| 01:45.34 | paws | for example my keyboard is on usb... it works but lsusb doesnt show it |
| 01:45.41 | jagginess | LOL |
| 01:46.00 | jagginess | but you can see your keyboard right? |
| 01:46.33 | paws | yes :) |
| 01:46.43 | gnarface | paws: how sure are you its on usb? |
| 01:46.44 | jagginess | gives paws a little piano |
| 01:48.36 | gnarface | paws: for example some usb keyboards come with a ps2 adapter, and recommend using it if possible. you're sure you didn't use it and forget? |
| 01:49.46 | gnarface | paws: note that usb and bluetooth devices may not always be as they appear. i've seen mice recognized as keyboards before... |
| 01:49.50 | paws | no no |
| 01:49.50 | jagginess | uh.. he says his keyboard "WORKS". |
| 01:49.52 | paws | i figured it out |
| 01:50.10 | paws | I am using debian via virtualbox and i was suppose to add the usb device manually |
| 01:50.19 | jagginess | paws, duh. |
| 01:50.19 | gnarface | ah |
| 01:50.24 | jagginess | paws, that's vbox. |
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| 01:51.00 | jagginess | always assumes a pebcak problem at first |
| 01:52.16 | scottj | my multimedia keys don't register key press events in xev, just focusin/out and keymapnotify. it worked fine in ubuntu, any ideas what to check? |
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| 01:53.46 | gnarface | scottj: kernel version? |
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| 01:53.59 | scottj | gnarface: 3.2.0 |
| 01:54.07 | gnarface | hmm |
| 01:54.17 | scottj | gnarface: though actually I was using an older kernel version in ubuntu |
| 01:54.39 | gnarface | scottj: blows that theory mostly then, but could still be related to kernel config. what type of keyboard? |
| 01:54.43 | Carlos05 | Join new game, its similar to Erepublik..!!! HELP YOUR COUNTRY !!!,be solidier,trader or even president ...There is the link for registration http://www.cyberrepublik.com/en/referrer/3171 |
| 01:54.56 | jagginess | !ops Carlos05 |
| 01:54.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jagginess complains about: Carlos05 |
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| 01:55.15 | scottj | gnarface: happens on two keyboards, one usb and the other microsoft wireless (usb RF) |
| 01:55.21 | mentor | pats idoru |
| 01:55.44 | dvs | takes idoru out for beer |
| 01:56.16 | gnarface | scottj: that's odd. i don't know but i'm betting its gotta be something pretty obvious |
| 01:56.54 | gnarface | wonders if locale can affect such things |
| 01:57.28 | scottj | gnarface: /etc/default/locale is LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 01:57.48 | mentor | Do they appear if you use input-utils? |
| 01:58.05 | mentor | lsinput and input-events |
| 01:58.09 | jagginess | there's sometimes .conf files for evdev rules-- sometimes this has to be tinkered for exotic keyboards |
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| 01:58.56 | mentor | It may be that the multimedia keycodes are not mapped |
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| 01:59.56 | scottj | mentor: it would still return a keypress event in xev, just not a name, no? |
| 02:00.23 | mentor | I believe nothing might happen at all |
| 02:00.44 | mentor | I can't quite remember from when I fixed my laptop keyboard |
| 02:01.05 | Sicp | so I've got Nvidia Geforce here and I need the driver, can I possibly get a hint as to which part of this guide I should follow? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
| 02:01.14 | Sicp | I've had problems with getting this card to work on Arch |
| 02:01.32 | joules | "Nvidia, @#% you!" |
| 02:01.37 | mentor | Quite |
| 02:01.38 | Sicp | definitely |
| 02:01.51 | Sicp | but alas, this machine is new and I'm not going to let it win |
| 02:01.54 | mentor | Does Arch X packaging differ from Debian greatly? |
| 02:02.28 | Dan39 | what is Arch X? |
| 02:02.29 | scottj | mentor: lsinput shows the keypresses, with names. xev shows focusin/out and keymapnotify events, but no name or keycode. |
| 02:02.49 | scottj | mentor: s/lsinput/input-events/ |
| 02:02.52 | Sicp | I don't understand what you mean, but Arch offers the open source versions of the drivers with a guide, the proprietary drivers that it offers has an impossible-to-follow guide |
| 02:03.05 | Sicp | so if the former doesn't work.... |
| 02:03.09 | Dan39 | o you mean the X packages in archlinux? haha |
| 02:03.19 | mentor | Sicp: Arch is not Debian |
| 02:03.27 | Dan39 | arch packages difer a lot, yeah |
| 02:03.30 | mentor | Oh dear |
| 02:03.33 | Dan39 | they cant be used on debian |
| 02:03.42 | mentor | I'm afraid I'm really not familiar with Arch |
| 02:03.46 | Sicp | I...didn't mention that I was planning to do that |
| 02:04.02 | Sicp | I just want to know where to follow in the guide I linked to above |
| 02:04.44 | Sicp | I'm going to try the free-drivers method first |
| 02:04.57 | joules | nouveau |
| 02:05.09 | Sicp | yea |
| 02:05.10 | dvs | no, it's old. ;-P |
| 02:05.23 | joules | ok nv then |
| 02:05.25 | Sicp | "Only the non-free nvidia drivers support full 3D acceleration, but they are more complex and X is more likely to break, you're reliant on nvidia to fix bugs. If X breaks and it seems difficult to get X to work with the non-free nvidia drivers, remember that switching back to a free driver should get X working again." |
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| 02:13.37 | Sicp | I am following this and I get "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed" when I run "Xorg -configure" |
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| 02:14.36 | joules | Sicp: which driver? |
| 02:15.03 | Sicp | well I did this before, # apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and got that it was already installed |
| 02:15.51 | dwarder | gnarface: i was able to run vnc, now when i do media->open capture device->capture mode=video for linux 2; video device name=/dev/video0 and then hit play, i see nothing |
| 02:16.06 | dwarder | gnarface: have i forgoten somehting? |
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| 02:18.35 | cipherz | hello, newbie question: to install a debian it is sufficient just to have the first dvd right ? I mean it should be sufficient just to install a base system and allow me to do the rest through apt right? |
| 02:19.01 | joules | Sicp: do you have an xorg.conf? |
| 02:19.17 | Sicp | this is the same issue that I was getting with Arch, only with Arch I used to get "No screens found", but the same ...manner used to appear |
| 02:19.38 | Sicp | I have xorg.conf.new joules |
| 02:20.06 | Sicp | I'm going to rename it to xorg.conf |
| 02:20.47 | Sicp | nope, same |
| 02:20.59 | joules | AFIAK X should auto detect and use the nouveau driver by default without an xorg.conf. |
| 02:21.37 | Sicp | hey listen, I probably didn't mention that I can login just fine and the Gnome desktop is infront of me but it just looks very bad |
| 02:21.55 | tomreyn | cipherz: if yu'll have network access during and after installation, your best bet is to go with the 'netinstall' image |
| 02:21.58 | Sicp | I can do startx just fine |
| 02:22.06 | tomreyn | that's even less than the first dvd |
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| 02:22.15 | joules | Sicp: please elaborate on "looks bad" |
| 02:22.41 | tomreyn | cipherz: _way_ less actually |
| 02:22.51 | Sicp | it's pixelated joules |
| 02:23.03 | cipherz | tomreyn, fair enough forgot about those already got the dvd dl'd would be equally useful right? I know its a silly question, just don't want to be stuck at work having to first dl an iso before I can begin installation |
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| 02:23.36 | joules | Sicp: increase the screen resolution? |
| 02:23.49 | joules | Sicp: what Nvidia card have you got BTW. |
| 02:24.01 | Sicp | I don't have anything above 1024 x 768 |
| 02:24.09 | tomreyn | cipherz: i haven't used the dvd's for ages, and i'm not sure what's where there. but chances are someone thought about it and the stuff you need for a minimal installation are contained on the first dvd. |
| 02:24.14 | joules | ahh suspiciously vesa. |
| 02:24.16 | tomreyn | in fact i'd bet that's so. |
| 02:24.28 | joules | Sicp: check your logs and see which driver its loading. |
| 02:24.34 | tomreyn | cipherz: but if you want to be sure download the netinstall image instead. |
| 02:24.45 | tomreyn | or ask someone else who has a clue ;) |
| 02:25.03 | cipherz | tomreyn, yeah seems like the better bet :) knowledge is overrated |
| 02:25.09 | cipherz | I find random guesses equally useful :) |
| 02:25.27 | tomreyn | guessing roxxors |
| 02:25.28 | cipherz | (as long as they are not mine so I can blame someone else when its wrong..) |
| 02:25.49 | Sicp | $ grep -B2 'Module class: X.Org Video Driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log <-- produces "Module vesa" joules |
| 02:25.55 | joules | yeah |
| 02:26.02 | tomreyn | right, there's always someone or somethigng else to blame. like.. the weather. |
| 02:26.02 | joules | DCH |
| 02:26.11 | joules | (Dunno Can't Help) :) |
| 02:27.34 | Sicp | where do I see the daemons or modules that are loaded on startup? |
| 02:27.48 | joules | in the log(s) |
| 02:27.57 | Sicp | where do I set* |
| 02:28.07 | cipherz | tomreyn, exactly - thanks tho.. |
| 02:28.16 | joules | Sicp: what does X -probeonly produce? |
| 02:28.27 | joules | .oO(this brings me back..) |
| 02:29.07 | Sicp | Unrecognized option: probeonly |
| 02:29.23 | joules | ? |
| 02:29.52 | Sicp | that's what it says |
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| 02:31.13 | joules | Sicp: tried the nv driver? |
| 02:31.34 | Sicp | I didn't know how to install it, there's no such thing as nv |
| 02:31.36 | SiDz | how can i make ps aux reply only the user process, for everyone but not root |
| 02:31.43 | SiDz | is it possible with selinux? |
| 02:32.01 | Sicp | why would that need selinux to do, SiDz ? |
| 02:32.12 | SiDz | don't know, how would you do that?;p |
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| 02:32.31 | Sicp | awking, lots of awking |
| 02:32.38 | SiDz | kk |
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| 02:33.07 | SiDz | so i need a script |
| 02:33.14 | SiDz | can't "secure" it that way |
| 02:33.23 | joules | Sicp: all I can' suggest is you try #nvidia next door |
| 02:33.25 | joules | :) |
| 02:33.52 | Sicp | one moment |
| 02:34.11 | Sicp | nv is installed |
| 02:34.19 | joules | Sicp: what card btw? |
| 02:34.21 | Sicp | you think if I remove vesa it'll fallback? |
| 02:34.33 | joules | try and see. |
| 02:34.43 | Sicp | I..don't know, I just see nvidia device 1054 in `lspci` |
| 02:35.10 | Sicp | on the machine it says Nvidia Geforce with CUDA |
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| 02:36.19 | joules | DCH |
| 02:36.22 | joules | sorry. |
| 02:37.27 | Sicp | well, at least I'll come out of this an expert |
| 02:37.32 | Sicp | if I ever come out of it :P |
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| 02:38.21 | Sicp | ok, so it broke when I removed vesa |
| 02:38.27 | Sicp | good, now we know |
| 02:38.28 | Sicp | :P |
| 02:38.40 | joules | squeeze? |
| 02:38.57 | Sicp | yes |
| 02:39.24 | joules | well obviously the driver knows nothing about this. |
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| 02:39.46 | joules | so you're SOOL |
| 02:40.16 | Sicp | how do I enter single user mode again? |
| 02:40.32 | dlynes | How do I upgrade a package that's already installed? I've tried apt-get upgrade libuuid1, but it says it's already the newest version, but if I do apt-cache show libuuid1, I can see the one currently installed is not the same as the one in the repository |
| 02:40.36 | dvs | Sicp: Recovery mode at boot? |
| 02:40.42 | dlynes | Sicp, sudo init 1 |
| 02:40.55 | dlynes | Sicp, or init 1 as the root user |
| 02:40.58 | Sicp | no I want that ru=1 thing |
| 02:41.03 | Sicp | I don't have a command line |
| 02:41.13 | Sicp | I just have the grub entry |
| 02:41.23 | dlynes | Sicp, oh |
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| 02:41.58 | SiDz | lots of commercial box who sell shell have they're ps showing only user process... no matter if the user use ps aux |
| 02:42.00 | dlynes | Sicp, it's been so long since I've done that, i don't even remember how...whenever i've needed it, it's because the system's so fubar, and then it comes up automatically |
| 02:42.10 | SiDz | they do that with a script (awking)? |
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| 02:42.34 | Sicp | you can man ps to find out, SiDz |
| 02:42.54 | dlynes | SiDz, their ps is patched to only show the user's processes |
| 02:43.24 | dlynes | dvs, that's exactly what he's looking for |
| 02:43.34 | SiDz | dvs? |
| 02:43.46 | dlynes | SiDz, not for you....for Sicp |
| 02:43.49 | SiDz | kk;p |
| 02:44.02 | dvs | :-) |
| 02:45.05 | SiDz | dlynes any idea where i can find those patch? |
| 02:47.00 | Sicp | yea, I'll probably just install Windows and play games on this machine |
| 02:47.14 | Sicp | Nvidia, &*$# YOU |
| 02:47.29 | dvs | heh |
| 02:48.08 | joules | Sicp: you #nvidia for support on nvidia's official drivers. |
| 02:48.13 | dlynes | SiDz, they might have written the patches themselves |
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| 02:48.35 | dlynes | Sicp, you're only wanting to boot into single user mode to install nvidia drivers? |
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| 02:48.53 | Sicp | I want to do that so I can reinstall vesa after finding out that everything broke when it wasn't there |
| 02:48.55 | Sicp | it didn't fallback |
| 02:49.31 | dlynes | Sicp, and your machine doesnt' boot up at all? |
| 02:49.51 | nsadmin | if he can get to single, it boots |
| 02:49.58 | Sicp | it does but it doesn't throw me anywhere after that |
| 02:50.19 | dlynes | Sicp, Can you Ctrl-Alt-F1 after it boots up to bring up a text console? |
| 02:50.21 | Sicp | it's just a black page with a prompt |
| 02:50.22 | nsadmin | Sicp, be more specific |
| 02:50.26 | Sicp | no, no consoles |
| 02:50.34 | nsadmin | that's a console |
| 02:50.52 | Sicp | I'm sorry, it's just a blinking underscore |
| 02:51.04 | Sicp | it does not go anywhere and I cannot move to a virtual console from it |
| 02:51.06 | nsadmin | if he's in single user mode, there wouldn't be more than one console |
| 02:51.18 | Sicp | I don't get to single user mode, just rebooted from it |
| 02:51.23 | dlynes | Sicp, And you've tried Ctrl-Alt-F1, instead of Alt-F1, right? |
| 02:51.35 | Sicp | Alt F1? |
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| 02:51.44 | nsadmin | Sicp, so xdm is not starting |
| 02:51.55 | dlynes | Sicp, Alt-F1 is how you switch between vc's when you're not in X11 |
| 02:52.00 | Sicp | I use gdm and yea it isn't starting |
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| 02:52.15 | Sicp | really dlynes :o |
| 02:52.18 | Sicp | I'll try now |
| 02:52.28 | nsadmin | Sicp, start looking at /var/log/X* |
| 02:53.01 | nsadmin | you are looking at text-only stuff right now |
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| 02:53.06 | nsadmin | no graphics at all |
| 02:53.40 | dlynes | Sicp, Your terminal might be on a different vc, too. Try alt-f1 through alt-f12 |
| 02:53.56 | Sicp | yea; here it is again freezing at Single, just flickering 4 messages on the screen about Bluetooth |
| 02:54.05 | dlynes | Sicp, no guarantees it's on vc 1 |
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| 02:55.07 | dlynes | Sicp, are you able to get to a different console using either Alt-Fn, or Ctrl-Alt-fn? |
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| 02:55.48 | nsadmin | Sicp, do you have internet plugged in and configured? |
| 02:56.04 | Sicp | it tries to switch to a new console and the prompt appears for a second but then it's gone |
| 02:56.06 | dlynes | Sicp, and openssh-server installed, for that matter? |
| 02:56.10 | Sicp | yea internet is there |
| 02:56.26 | Sicp | yea it is, I set the "SSH server" when installing |
| 02:56.30 | dlynes | Sicp, if openssh server is installed, you can try logging in remotely |
| 02:56.33 | Sicp | wait, I'll find out the IP |
| 02:56.39 | dlynes | Sicp, and fix it that way |
| 02:56.43 | nsadmin | can you ssh in from another machine? |
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| 02:57.16 | nsadmin | prompt disappearing could mean X is periodically trying to start |
| 02:57.25 | Sicp | alright, so I'm in |
| 02:57.35 | Sicp | i'm going to install vesa again |
| 02:57.53 | Sicp | it recovered |
| 02:57.55 | Sicp | in my arms |
| 02:57.56 | Sicp | lol |
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| 02:58.08 | dlynes | Sicp, your toddler? |
| 02:58.48 | Sicp | so now we're back to square 1 |
| 02:59.35 | Sicp | at #nvidia he says get nvidia, the non-free |
| 03:01.09 | dlynes | Sicp, of course |
| 03:01.18 | dlynes | Sicp, nouveau sucks horribly |
| 03:01.40 | dlynes | Sicp, and nouveau doesn't support a decent level of GL, either |
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| 03:04.18 | nachos | Hi, how big is a minimal install of debian 6.0.5, i want X, gcc, python, windowmaker, chrome |
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| 03:11.13 | Sicp | I am following the non-free now, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/#free_drivers |
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| 03:19.35 | codora | hey guys. i'm getting "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" and i googled and searched, and cannot find the solution. |
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| 03:19.56 | Ormie | hello |
| 03:20.01 | codora | hello Ormie |
| 03:20.40 | Ormie | I installed debian from CD and I used the mirror to download stuff. Does the network mirror complete the CD Components to be like "Install from a DVD"? |
| 03:20.52 | codora | i set APT::Immediate_Configure "false"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf, but it didnt do anything. |
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| 03:21.18 | Ormie | what???! |
| 03:21.26 | codora | Ormie: i was asking my own question, sorry. |
| 03:21.35 | Ormie | k |
| 03:21.39 | codora | :) |
| 03:22.11 | codora | so, Ormie, i know how to disable it asking for the CD constantly. would you like me to show you how to do that? |
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| 03:22.29 | Ormie | ? |
| 03:22.44 | Ormie | remove the CD repo from the /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:22.57 | codora | well, you can do it that way. |
| 03:23.16 | Ormie | i've done it as I added backports. |
| 03:23.16 | dvs | Ormie: pastebin your sources.list to make sure you have another valid repo |
| 03:23.31 | Ormie | ._. |
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| 03:25.02 | Ormie | dvs ... |
| 03:25.44 | Sicp | back to the same problem after getting the nvidia driver; No screens found |
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| 03:26.11 | codora | i'm trying to add wine-unstable to my debian stable install. it had some dependancies a lot more modern than my stable install had, so i tried dist-upgrading to unstable, by changing my repo to wheezy. it gave me a APT::Immediate-Configure error. i tried to fix it by following forum posts on linuxquestions.org and similar, without fruitful results. can anyone help? |
| 03:26.12 | dvs | what? |
| 03:26.30 | Ormie | dvs, http://pastebin.com/wmdvnnpa |
| 03:27.36 | dvs | Ormie: Looks OK to me. You might want to add "contrib non-free" to the lines that end in "main". |
| 03:28.12 | dvs | lost wireless connection temporarily |
| 03:31.19 | Ormie | dvs, why? |
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| 03:31.39 | Ormie | you know... I still disagree debian 7 will use gnome 3. |
| 03:31.59 | dvs | Ormie: Well, to be consistent with the backports repo but it's not mandatory. |
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| 03:32.30 | codora | guys, anyone have any idea how to fix my APT::Immediate-Configure error? i cant find anything that will fix this on my own. ;w; |
| 03:32.33 | dvs | Ormie: No choice about Gnome 3. Gnome 2 is no longer supported |
| 03:32.43 | Ormie | ? |
| 03:32.54 | Ormie | So, debian have no choice? I see |
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| 03:33.08 | Ormie | we will always have choices |
| 03:33.09 | dvs | With any Linux distro you have no choice |
| 03:33.20 | Ormie | 6_9 |
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| 03:34.29 | Ormie | Can someone who uses debian 7 give me a screenshot of the Desktop and post it to imgur, please? |
| 03:34.38 | Ormie | I can't try it on vbox |
| 03:34.48 | codora | ;w; |
| 03:35.15 | Ormie | ? |
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| 03:36.27 | nevyn | you do have a choice about gnome 3. |
| 03:36.32 | nevyn | there's lots of other options |
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| 03:36.41 | nevyn | just gnome 2 is not one of them. |
| 03:36.51 | Ormie | :c |
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| 03:44.07 | Ormie | no way, I gotta go to debian-next! |
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| 03:48.21 | joules | kde 4.8 works in debian (wheezy). |
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| 03:55.13 | Ormie | good good |
| 03:55.22 | Ormie | i told debian-next to use kde |
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| 03:56.17 | joules | huh? |
| 03:56.21 | nerdistmonk | so how long will it be before multiarch is working correctly? |
| 03:56.47 | simonlnu | when it is ;p |
| 03:56.54 | codora | you know what. |
| 03:56.56 | codora | fuck debian. |
| 03:57.15 | Ormie | ? |
| 03:57.26 | simonlnu | gee. what a contrast with his quit message... |
| 03:57.35 | Ormie | lol |
| 03:57.36 | joules | seems typical to me. |
| 03:58.04 | nerdistmonk | nvidia-glx is not multiarch ready i take it? |
| 03:58.44 | Ormie | I am very lucky that I use NVIDIA Optimus and I can still use debian in GUI. :-) |
| 03:58.46 | simonlnu | no idea, sorry. i don't use multiarch. |
| 03:59.00 | simonlnu | and i haven't been track of it |
| 03:59.06 | simonlnu | been keeping* |
| 04:00.23 | Ormie | Oh dear, I have another issue... Empathy won't start. No errors appeared, just nothing. |
| 04:00.25 | nerdistmonk | guess its time to find a distro with working 32bit libraries |
| 04:00.28 | simonlnu | nerdistmonk: i imagine you could check the bugs.d.o site and check the package out. it'll likely list such things |
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| 04:01.15 | Ormie | ah.. wait |
| 04:01.20 | simonlnu | nerdistmonk: nvidia-glx is pretty iffy anyway, due to upstream being rather reticent in supporting linux properly. |
| 04:01.41 | nerdistmonk | well it works fine in every other distro, so no its not iffy, seems to be debians multiarch thats iffy |
| 04:01.43 | simonlnu | Ormie: ~/.xsession-errors log |
| 04:01.51 | nerdistmonk | i just like .deb format better than rpms.... |
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| 04:01.57 | Ormie | shit, it's nvidia. thank god! |
| 04:02.10 | simonlnu | nerdistmonk: well, i'm gonna share something with you. |
| 04:02.15 | nerdistmonk | oh boy |
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| 04:03.47 | simonlnu | nerdistmonk: i'm not too sure of the exact details, but a *lot* of the maintainers were pushing to get multiarch ready as soon as possible. for some reason, it got delayed. because of that delay, and so close to release, all of us are seeing the issues we've seen today. someone made a bad call, and a lot of people feel similarly. |
| 04:04.47 | simonlnu | i'm not going to blame anyone, as it's not my place to, but whomever made that decision should have listened to all those people pushing to get in ASAP. |
| 04:04.58 | simonlnu | to get it in* |
| 04:05.00 | nerdistmonk | all i know is, multiarch is supposed to allow 32/64 bit to coexist, i havent seen much co-existing, 7/10 times it tries to kill the 64bit equivelent and replace it with the 32bit version, idk what the hell is going on in debian but its worrisome |
| 04:05.29 | simonlnu | yup, it is. and yeh, it's not good to do that. |
| 04:06.01 | simonlnu | things like this they hurt the good rep debian has. it's sad, but that's what we have right now. |
| 04:06.22 | nerdistmonk | maybe its time to go freebsd? (shutters but prepares to accept his new daemon overlords) |
| 04:06.30 | simonlnu | nonetheless, i know somehow they'll "get 'er done" |
| 04:07.00 | simonlnu | just a feeling i have |
| 04:07.00 | Ormie | Hey, I need help! I need to chat with my friends. I use NVIDIA as my graphics card and when I run empathy in terminal, I got this error: http://pastebin.com/S48yPg6W. How do I fix it? |
| 04:07.05 | nerdistmonk | i refuse to use fedora/opensuse as opensuse is dated and fedora is worse punishment than using msdos |
| 04:07.31 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 04:07.43 | nerdistmonk | yes but ill be dead by the time they hit their deadline, sometime between 22nd of august and my death |
| 04:08.00 | simonlnu | haha, before then, i'm sure :) |
| 04:09.19 | nerdistmonk | my workstation is losing its esterlife waiting on the miracle update to fix it |
| 04:09.24 | g4mbit | good morning |
| 04:09.44 | simonlnu | "Unrecognized deviceID 126" -- i wonder what that's from |
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| 04:10.02 | Ormie | ? |
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| 04:10.14 | simonlnu | Ormie: maybe restart your x session. could be your video card memory is saturated |
| 04:10.27 | Ormie | how? |
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| 04:10.29 | simonlnu | The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'. |
| 04:10.46 | Ormie | oh,ok |
| 04:10.47 | simonlnu | "log out" from whatever you're using |
| 04:10.54 | Ormie | ah ok |
| 04:11.11 | simonlnu | ok, brb, need to go do some dishes |
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| 04:11.29 | g4mbit | imagines now how Ormie reboots his Windows :D |
| 04:11.30 | nimbos | lol |
| 04:11.34 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 04:11.42 | [gnubie] | i'm wondering if anyone from this community uses NTop to monitor bandwidth usage and traffic? |
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| 04:12.20 | Rusty1 | !ask |
| 04:12.20 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 04:13.57 | [gnubie] | can anyone tell me if it's possible to store the gathered information done by the NTop into the MySQL database? |
| 04:14.43 | nerdistmonk | im going to have to go pull a martin laurence, throw a big fit out in my front yard (linux dont do me like this!!!! maaaannnnn...) |
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| 04:15.01 | simonlnu | heh |
| 04:15.18 | simonlnu | nerdistmonk: you on wheezy? |
| 04:15.24 | nerdistmonk | sid |
| 04:15.31 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 04:15.37 | nerdistmonk | sid isnt the problem |
| 04:15.39 | nerdistmonk | multiarch is |
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| 04:16.22 | konard | where is the file containing chat scripts for mobile ppp? |
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| 04:16.33 | simonlnu | gets me sad the way it was handled, seriously. ah well, just gotta be patient and let them do their work. |
| 04:16.48 | simonlnu | konard: start there: /etc/ppp |
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| 04:17.11 | simonlnu | (and help if/when we can) |
| 04:17.38 | konard | that's only for one provider. any dir or file holding chat scripts for all providers? |
| 04:18.14 | simonlnu | /etc/ppp/peers/ |
| 04:18.44 | simonlnu | you can have different files for diff. providers |
| 04:19.02 | simonlnu | just do something like pon providername |
| 04:19.14 | konard | that's only for one provider too. i have a netbook fr china. it has scripts for ChinaMobile only. |
| 04:20.00 | konard | i want the original from my provider. |
| 04:20.03 | simonlnu | and it'll take care of whichever provider that file belongs to. nothing's stopping you from doing that with whichever one you want.... |
| 04:20.15 | simonlnu | well, you'll need to get the info from them. |
| 04:20.27 | simonlnu | or use pppconfig |
| 04:20.43 | konard | i have to know the chat commands. |
| 04:21.03 | simonlnu | and we wouldn't know that. your provider would. |
| 04:21.24 | g4mbit | we wouldn't? we know everything. you lie. |
| 04:21.43 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 04:22.02 | konard | provider says everyone just plug in and it works, on MS, that is. |
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| 04:22.30 | simonlnu | their support sucks then ;). |
| 04:23.00 | simonlnu | don't they have a web site with that info for people to use? |
| 04:24.26 | simonlnu | is away from irc |
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| 04:25.27 | konard | hey, u r right. i have to question them on the website. |
| 04:25.37 | Xbilprl | hi |
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| 04:26.23 | Diopter | Don't know if you knew this or not, but Debian is kind of awesome. |
| 04:26.31 | Xbilprl | any body here ?? |
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| 04:26.40 | Diopter | Xbilprl: No one here but us lurkers. |
| 04:27.02 | Xbilprl | hi |
| 04:27.15 | simonlnu | konard: good luck |
| 04:27.33 | Xbilprl | i sersh a ling of totriol of hacking website |
| 04:27.40 | Xbilprl | can you help me ? |
| 04:27.44 | Diopter | ... |
| 04:27.57 | Diopter | What is this I don't even.. |
| 04:28.11 | Xbilprl | ok sory |
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| 04:31.41 | simonlnu | hacking web site: www.debian.org/devel ;) |
| 04:32.37 | simonlnu | wonders if he got the url right |
| 04:32.57 | simonlnu | i did :) |
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| 04:34.46 | nimbos | anyone know off the top of their head where all the java jar files get installed by default? |
| 04:35.16 | Diopter | nimbos: /usr or /var somewhere. Probably /var, use find! |
| 04:35.29 | nimbos | omg find takes forever :( |
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| 04:35.51 | Diopter | Not really. Learn to use it moar better! |
| 04:36.29 | Diopter | find /var -iname '*.jar' |
| 04:36.39 | nimbos | i'm sorry i have dishonored the find-clan, i will harikari now |
| 04:36.43 | simonlnu | /usr/lib usually |
| 04:36.56 | Diopter | Suppose that makes sense. |
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| 04:37.28 | nimbos | right on, /usr/lib i twas |
| 04:37.37 | nimbos | well, /usr/lib/jvm |
| 04:39.45 | cardamon | What's "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/i18n/Translation-enIndex: MD5Sum mismatch" mean? And would my removing an arch from dpkg have something to do with that? |
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| 04:40.29 | nimbos | well, it means you tried to get something where the checksum doesn't match I suppose. |
| 04:40.58 | cardamon | Yes, but I'm wondering if it's on my end or on their end. |
| 04:41.39 | simonlnu | cardamon: wait. it's in the middle of an update |
| 04:41.51 | simonlnu | cardamon: you can update shortly |
| 04:41.55 | nimbos | sounds like it's their end |
| 04:42.29 | nimbos | oh, lol |
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| 04:43.40 | simonlnu | it is. i got that earlier. i just killed the update and waited a bit. |
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| 05:26.22 | heroxbd | Hello, I am using virtualbox-guest-{dkms,x11,utils} in side vbox-4.1.18 and the X server in debian guest cannot find a mouse or a keyboard. What can I do to trouble shoot it? |
| 05:26.54 | simonlnu | !vbox |
| 05:26.55 | dpkg | VirtualBox is a Free software virtual machine solution from Oracle. To install, ask me about <vbox-install squeeze>, <vbox-install wheezy>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vbox migrate win>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
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| 05:30.46 | heroxbd | simonlnu: ok, i'd move to #vbox, thanks |
| 05:31.30 | simonlnu | you're welcome |
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| 05:42.57 | boudiccas | This is my graphics card .. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] (rev a1) .... which squeeze finds drivers for automatically without any intervention from me, it just works. Will it still work like that if I upgrade to wheezy please? |
| 05:43.24 | simonlnu | boudiccas: you using nouveau or nvidia? |
| 05:43.39 | boudiccas | neither as far as i'm aware |
| 05:43.59 | simonlnu | Xorg.0.log should tell you |
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| 05:44.10 | boudiccas | like i said, i havent done anything, it just works! |
| 05:44.24 | simonlnu | well, that's good :) |
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| 05:46.27 | boudiccas | xorg.log shows this for it ... (--) PCI:*(0:1:0:0) 10de:0110:14af:7102 nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX/MX 400] rev 161, Mem @ 0xe0000000/16777216, 0xd8000000/134217728, BIOS @ 0x????????/65536 |
| 05:46.31 | simonlnu | i would think it would still be that way, esp. if it's the free driver, whichever one it is |
| 05:46.58 | simonlnu | at some point in the log, it'll say which xorg driver it is |
| 05:47.19 | boudiccas | is there anyway in which we can test it, see what drivers it needs before i try to upgrade please? |
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| 05:47.32 | simonlnu | e.g., (==) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 |
| 05:47.35 | simonlnu | for mine |
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| 05:48.17 | simonlnu | look for something like that in the log |
| 05:48.38 | simonlnu | it'll probably say NVIDIA or NOUVEAU or VESA or such |
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| 05:51.57 | boudiccas | (--) NOUVEAU(0): Chipset: "NVIDIA NV11" (II) NOUVEAU(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section |
| 05:51.57 | boudiccas | "Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32 (==) NOUVEAU(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32 |
| 05:52.21 | boudiccas | is that it please simonlnu? |
| 05:52.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps how do i figure out what my updates in aptitude are for.. like what security thing they are fixing with hthe patch. |
| 05:52.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | is their a newsletter or rss feed or something? |
| 05:52.39 | simonlnu | ah yeh. looks like you'll be good to go |
| 05:53.04 | simonlnu | Eryn_1983_FL: the changelog should say. apt-listchanges for a handy output |
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| 05:53.43 | boudiccas | !nvidia nv11 |
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| 05:53.51 | boudiccas | !nv11 |
| 05:54.09 | simonlnu | !nouveau |
| 05:54.09 | dpkg | The nouveau project aims to build high-quality, open source drivers for NVIDIA video cards. Nouveau <DRM> is in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33 and included in linux-2.6 since 2.6.32-10. The display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, DRI/3D support is not enabled; read its README.Debian file for important notes. For 3D support on Debian systems, use the proprietary "nvidia" driver, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 05:54.43 | boudiccas | thanks, that was the sort of thing that i was looking for :) |
| 05:54.54 | simonlnu | :) yw |
| 05:55.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | simonlnu: ty |
| 05:55.15 | simonlnu | np |
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| 05:56.23 | Mohsen_Hassani | While installing rabbitmq I get errors, I referred to #rabbitmq but no body helped me during these 2 days. I wonder if somebody could help me here. http://dpaste.com/780521/ |
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| 05:57.54 | simonlnu | not i unfortunately. i'm clueless with that. someone else could. do they have a web site with a tutorial or FAQ, maybe? |
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| 05:58.59 | Mohsen_Hassani | they have, but there was nothing helpful. |
| 05:59.13 | simonlnu | too bad :/ |
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| 05:59.59 | simonlnu | oh i see, packaging or other error |
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| 06:00.27 | simonlnu | Mohsen_Hassani: do you have something like uwsgi already installed? |
| 06:00.30 | Mohsen_Hassani | As the warning said, I checked startup_err but it was empty, and the content of startup_log is http://dpaste.com/780523/ |
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| 06:00.51 | Mohsen_Hassani | simonlnu, yes I do, I need it for my django powered websites. |
| 06:00.53 | simonlnu | with that, i'd check the BTS |
| 06:00.55 | simonlnu | !bts |
| 06:00.55 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
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| 06:01.32 | simonlnu | e.g. http://bugs.debian.org/rabbitmq-server |
| 06:01.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | simonlnu: i see no changelogs with the tool.. |
| 06:01.56 | simonlnu | there's a conflict in the start up scripts, that's why |
| 06:02.28 | simonlnu | Eryn_1983_FL: it gets autorun when you install stuff. when you install apt-listchanges, it'll ask you a bunch of questions |
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| 06:03.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok.. |
| 06:04.04 | simonlnu | the defaults are usuallu ok as is |
| 06:04.08 | simonlnu | usually* |
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| 06:07.07 | simonlnu | Mohsen_Hassani: uwsgi is pretty damn nice for django |
| 06:07.25 | Mohsen_Hassani | simonlnu, yeah ;) |
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| 06:07.42 | SnapALoop | Never Drop your phone again. Watch the video its cool. https://snapaloop.com/?&AdGUID=D5289D47-0265-4D3F-8918-C885E047D662&UserGUID=1234DD3D-58E8-4DE6-9DEA-C4942A5AF904 |
| 06:07.53 | jelly-home | !ops SnapALoop spam |
| 06:07.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: SnapALoop spam |
| 06:07.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok i am confused can you give me an example of using it? |
| 06:08.03 | simonlnu | he's klined already |
| 06:08.09 | jelly-home | yup |
| 06:08.32 | simonlnu | Eryn_1983_FL: you aptitude/apt-get install somepackage then it goes over the .debs, and displays the changelogs |
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| 06:08.51 | simonlnu | you don't have to do anything. you can also run it on its own |
| 06:08.55 | simonlnu | ### BEGIN INIT INFO |
| 06:08.55 | simonlnu | # Provides: uwsgi |
| 06:09.26 | simonlnu | Mohsen_Hassani: see that? ^^ you could rename the "uwsgi" part for now to get it installed, but check the BTS |
| 06:10.20 | Mohsen_Hassani | simonlnu, You think the problem is with uwsgi? |
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| 06:11.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah i thing it needed to be configured going to give it another go |
| 06:11.18 | simonlnu | no, just the init script for rabbitmq-server conflicts with it. it should probably either conflict with uwsgi, or have a different Provides: line |
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| 06:11.53 | Mohsen_Hassani | simonlnu, How can I edit the init script? What's its path? |
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| 06:12.10 | simonlnu | /etc/init.d/uwsgi |
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| 06:21.06 | boudiccas | right, just going to backup and then upgrade to wheezy, lets hope it all works out |
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| 06:26.18 | simonlnu | good luck |
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| 06:54.03 | boudiccas | i'm trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, and just doing the first update and i get this .... http://dpaste.com/780557/ ........... how do i resolve it please? |
| 06:55.41 | boudiccas | i've got teh sources.list sorted, but now i've got broken packages and i'm not sure how to resolve them |
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| 06:58.14 | boudiccas | just trying to install dpkg apt linux-image-**** and i end up with broken packages which i'm not sure how to resolve them. simonlnu? |
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| 07:01.29 | jelly-home | ... you wrote literally linux-image-**** ? |
| 07:01.53 | jelly-home | that **** was a placeholder |
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| 07:02.28 | boudiccas | jelly-home: yes i did, i dont know what kernel there is available for i386 |
| 07:03.13 | boudiccas | !squeeze |
| 07:03.13 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 6.0, released on 2011-02-06: http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110205a . Squeeze is the three-eyed space alien. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze and ask me about <install squeeze> <release notes> <lenny->squeeze>. Currently <6.0.5>. The Debian release is not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. |
| 07:03.15 | jelly-home | boudiccas: use the same flavor as your current one |
| 07:03.38 | simonlnu | what he said |
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| 07:03.46 | jelly-home | boudiccas: or paste the line from /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
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| 07:04.28 | jelly-home | huh, it's not there at all |
| 07:04.44 | jelly-home | where was that then, lenny->squeeze? |
| 07:04.59 | simonlnu | dpkg: lenny->squeeze |
| 07:04.59 | dpkg | Remove volatile & backports from /etc/apt/sources.list changing lenny to squeeze. Use apt-get for the upgrade: "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` udev". Install firmware-linux-nonfree if needed; check you have a 2.6.32 kernel installed "aptitude search '~nlinux-image~i'" and reboot into it. "apt-get dist-upgrade". READ THE <release notes>. |
| 07:05.08 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 07:05.23 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
| 07:05.29 | jelly-home | wheezy userspace will probably work without rebooting into a newer kernel first |
| 07:05.40 | simonlnu | *nod* |
| 07:06.05 | jelly-home | so perhaps there's no need to install it in advance |
| 07:06.34 | simonlnu | i haven't heard of anything to do with kernel in wheezy |
| 07:06.52 | boudiccas | i'vestill got the problem of broken packages just when trying to install dpkg and apt, how do i resolve it please? |
| 07:06.55 | simonlnu | or udev or whatever. systemd isn't "live" yet, either |
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| 07:07.19 | simonlnu | probably in jessie though |
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| 07:08.01 | boudiccas | i get this .... http://dpaste.com/780557/ ........... how do i resolve it please? |
| 07:08.07 | simonlnu | aptitude -f install. though might want to do that from its ui |
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| 07:08.29 | simonlnu | and choose your current one manually (that's what i'd do, anyway) |
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| 07:08.51 | boudiccas | i cant use aptitude because of its colour scheme, i literally cannot read it. so i've removed it and use apt-get |
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| 07:09.21 | boudiccas | so i'll do apt-get -f install foo |
| 07:09.23 | jelly-home | there's no color scheme in aptitude's CLI |
| 07:09.39 | simonlnu | quite right |
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| 07:09.54 | boudiccas | true, but it still wont work, because i've removed it |
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| 07:10.14 | jelly-home | well, don't shoot yourself in the foot |
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| 07:10.39 | cardamon | Weird. I'm getting a unmet dependencies message from aptitude..."Depends: cabextract but it is not going to be installed." |
| 07:11.11 | jelly-home | apt works better in some cases, aptitude in others, it's unfortunately very useful to have both |
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| 07:12.17 | jelly-home | boudiccas: that's the same url as before |
| 07:12.20 | cardamon | "Depends: wine-bin-unstable which is a virtual package. or wine-bin which is a virtual package." |
| 07:12.33 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 07:12.33 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 07:12.36 | jelly-home | cardamon: ^^ |
| 07:12.46 | xgl____ | hi all |
| 07:12.59 | cardamon | I switched to using aptitude primarily for easy searching. |
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| 07:13.11 | simonlnu | all took off on us 2 days ago :P |
| 07:13.29 | jelly-home | aptitude and _easy_ searching? o.O |
| 07:13.32 | rmrfchik | any news about icedove based on thunderbird 14? |
| 07:13.48 | cardamon | jelly-home: sudo aptitude search foo |
| 07:14.05 | simonlnu | don't need sudo to search |
| 07:14.11 | boudiccas | jelly-home: yes, i was showing the command and the output with the broken packages at the end |
| 07:14.24 | jelly-home | cardamon: it does less than apt-cache search foo for me |
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| 07:16.06 | simonlnu | jelly-home: yeh, easy searching: ~i~n~b~cfoo :P |
| 07:16.31 | jelly-home | boudiccas: what command? I only see the one with linux-image-**** |
| 07:17.02 | simonlnu | i must say, that's an interesting install command to run |
| 07:17.07 | boudiccas | i have the update manager installed and active, and i've run it with synaptic and it wants to remove all of gnome, most of kde, all of gcc and a ton of libraries is it worth it to go ahead do you reckon? |
| 07:17.42 | boudiccas | jelly-home: line 1 shows .... sudo apt-get install dpkg apt linux-image-**** |
| 07:17.45 | simonlnu | if you want to clean stuff out, it sure is. if you want to keep it, no. |
| 07:18.26 | boudiccas | simonlnu: no, i wan t to keep it but until i can resolve the broken dependencies i'm stuffed! |
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| 07:18.46 | jelly-home | boudiccas: get. rid. of. that. linux-image-**** |
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| 07:19.53 | boudiccas | jelly-home: and replace it with linux-image-2.6-686 ? |
| 07:20.01 | jelly-home | boudiccas: consider not straying away from the simple apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade instruction from the squeeze->wheezy factoid |
| 07:20.17 | boudiccas | ok, thanks |
| 07:20.19 | jelly-home | boudiccas: no. Don't upgrade the kernel explicitely AT ALL |
| 07:21.15 | simonlnu | is having some local grown blueberries |
| 07:21.28 | Derpian | !offtopic |
| 07:21.29 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 07:21.57 | jelly-home | the kernel upgrade in lenny->squeeze had a specific reason to work around kernel<->udev shenanigans |
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| 07:22.25 | simonlnu | yeh. i.e., it broke otherwise |
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| 07:23.48 | boudiccas | jelly-home: ah, right. teh apt-get dist-upgrade is started and when it complates i'll do another update and then upgrade, and then reboot. but thats at least an hour away . but thanks for calming my nerves about it all :) |
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| 07:24.01 | boudiccas | completes |
| 07:24.05 | jelly-home | where do people get off the high horse, not writing a single topical line in hours-days, then feeling compelled to invoke !offtopic on someone who's actually PROVIDING TECH SUPPORT right now and making a single line irrelevant comment |
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| 07:26.51 | jelly-home | boudiccas: each distro upgrade has specific issues; previous release upgrade specifics are often unneeded or possibly harmful |
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| 07:28.14 | boudiccas | jelly-home: so i'm learning. i goggled for advice before i even amended my sources.list and the page i looked at suggested doing dpkg, apt and kernel first. but that was from 2011 |
| 07:28.18 | lkthomas | guys, how could I use http proxy for apt-get installation ? |
| 07:28.21 | boudiccas | googled |
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| 07:29.58 | simonlnu | lkthomas: http_proxy environment variable IIRC |
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| 07:32.13 | lkthomas | simonlnu: interesting that when I check squid log, it didn't appear |
| 07:32.35 | lkthomas | wait, seems ok |
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| 07:40.02 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/181840/ Trouble with winetricks. After checking bugs, I think it's because wine-bin is only in i386, so I'll need to multiarch for it. |
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| 07:41.15 | cardamon | Seems a little weird as to my knowledge, winetricks is just a script for snagging runtime libraries and fonts. |
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| 07:44.48 | Ormie | How do I install bumblebee in debian? |
| 07:45.53 | Ormie | ._. |
| 07:47.02 | boudiccas | Ormie: join the hive :) |
| 07:47.39 | boudiccas | Ormie: now i'm being serious, sudo apt-get install bumblebee |
| 07:47.51 | Ormie | sir, yes, sir |
| 07:48.02 | boudiccas | Ormie: wrong! i'm female |
| 07:48.12 | Ormie | ... |
| 07:48.17 | rmrfchik | is this wrong? |
| 07:48.18 | rmrfchik | hides |
| 07:48.23 | Ormie | mam, yes, mam |
| 07:48.30 | boudiccas | :) |
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| 07:50.01 | Ormie | hey! the repo url please? |
| 07:50.38 | Ormie | >.< |
| 07:51.07 | cardamon | ...what? |
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| 07:51.36 | Ormie | "E: Unable to locate package bumblebee" |
| 07:52.12 | cardamon | That's because there's no bumblebee package. |
| 07:52.19 | Ormie | ugh |
| 07:52.20 | Ormie | how |
| 07:52.23 | Ormie | tell me... now |
| 07:52.38 | boudiccas | !volunteers |
| 07:52.38 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 07:53.03 | boudiccas | ,v bumblebee |
| 07:53.04 | judd | No package named 'bumblebee' was found in i386. |
| 07:53.05 | cardamon | I'm not sure what bumblebee is, other than the obvious, so I can't tell you. Also, stop mashing return and please show me the same respect I show you by forming entire thoughts. Not necessarily coherent. |
| 07:53.13 | Ormie | darn... please tell me again |
| 07:53.13 | Ormie | please |
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| 07:53.27 | Ormie | all thanks to this darn auto suspend i lost shit |
| 07:53.34 | boudiccas | ormei read teh scrollback |
| 07:54.09 | Ormie | boudiccas, i know! I was disconnected thanks to this battery run down! |
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| 07:55.00 | cardamon | Perhaps you mean bitlbee? |
| 07:55.00 | boudiccas | Ormie: i dont have parts/joins showing so i have no idea of when you wen tor rejoined. it appears that bumblebee is not in the repos, so i suggest that you google for it |
| 07:55.17 | peetaur | Hi. In my /etc/network/interfaces file, I want to do something equivalent to "btrctl setageing 0". How do I do that? |
| 07:55.24 | cardamon | That's the only "bee" I am aware of. |
| 07:55.37 | peetaur | s/btrctl/brctl/ |
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| 07:56.19 | peetaur | The setting I want is not listed in the man page or here http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 07:57.02 | Ormie | i will come back to debian when my hardware is older. |
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| 07:57.21 | cardamon | ...I don't even... |
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| 07:59.50 | jelly-home | makes sense |
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| 08:01.37 | cardamon | Am I right about about winetricks? I need to add i386 to multiarch? |
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| 08:04.09 | lkthomas | guys, does anyone have fence_ilo working ? |
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| 08:08.19 | zecrazytux | hi |
| 08:08.45 | zecrazytux | anyone knows how to log boot messages to both tty0 and ttyS1 consoles ? |
| 08:09.39 | zecrazytux | when booting with console=ttyX console=ttyY, the last console parameter is used for boot message logging, only |
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| 08:15.11 | MaxFrames | hello |
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| 08:18.02 | MaxFrames | I need help with a strange problem... I'm using firestarter to manage iptables on debian squeeze, and I've opened port 443/tcp to the whole world; I am running an openvpn instance on that port |
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| 08:18.38 | MaxFrames | sometimes, the roaming clients cannot connect to the openvpn server, and the reason is that firestarter is blocking the connections on that port, even though it's open |
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| 08:19.38 | MaxFrames | this only seems to happen when the client is connected to certain client networks, because the same machine usually can connect just fine if moved to another network (publici wifi, adsl etc) |
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| 08:20.15 | MaxFrames | also, when firestarter is rejecting these connections, at the same time it accepts other connections to the same port from other vpn clients! so it's a mystery |
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| 08:23.07 | boudiccas | MaxFrames: does it have to be firestarter that you use? could you not use gufw, which is much better imho |
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| 08:24.08 | MaxFrames | I can drop firestarter, but I'd prefer not to right now, because the machine has to be up and running and I did have to tweak firestarter a bit to make the vpn work.... I'm afraid to screw something |
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| 08:25.08 | boudiccas | you'd keep teh iptables rules that its set up and just use a.n.other firewall program to set up additional rules |
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| 08:26.18 | boudiccas | but its your choice |
| 08:27.23 | boudiccas | thats part of the beauty of linux, the choice |
| 08:29.15 | cardamon | boudiccas: why gufw? I'm using firestarter myself. |
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| 08:29.41 | cardamon | Granted, the client is prone to crashing/freezing when I leave it open, but that's me. |
| 08:30.09 | cardamon | Sadly, the steps to reproduce seem to be opening firestarter and forgetting about it for a few hours. |
| 08:30.16 | boudiccas | i found that gufw gave far greater control over the iptables ruleset and did far more rules which made sense to a non-techie |
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| 08:31.54 | boudiccas | so i ran gufw, generated the iptables ruleset, did an iptables-save and then did another save of it in another place so i cna examine the ruleset at leaisure |
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| 08:43.49 | Camber | Hello Debian |
| 08:45.44 | Camber | I set up a debian server yesterday before I knew what the domain name would be, and now in apache, the http host and header information host etc are all set to the server IP address, and now I've set up the domain name I would like to change them all to that of the domain, how do I go about doing this? Thanks. |
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| 08:47.16 | beygi | is there any script for initializing new created user ? |
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| 08:47.56 | franklyn | ciao a tutti! |
| 08:48.01 | franklyn | !list |
| 08:48.02 | dpkg | franklyn: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 08:58.04 | Camber | Could anyone advise changing from an ip address to a domain name in apache? |
| 08:59.24 | themill | beygi: depends what you mean by "initialise". If you mean copy in .bashrc and things like that, then adduser does that for you |
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| 09:00.54 | landa_ | ls shows permissions for one dir like 'drwxrwS---' and for another like 'drwxrws---'. Does the uppercase GID S have a different meaning? |
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| 09:01.00 | subb1 | hi all. |
| 09:01.30 | nsadmin | as long as you put stuff in /etc/skel (or whatever dir is configured in useradd) |
| 09:01.49 | beygi | themill: i need an script which is run just after creating user , before new user login , and it must run once |
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| 09:03.58 | landa_ | found it out - the uppercase 'S' means there's no 'x' permission hidden under it |
| 09:04.03 | nsadmin | beygi, or, the script you write produces a data file, calls newusers on that file and then does whatever you want to do after |
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| 09:05.24 | beygi | nsadmin: rather than files in /etc/skel i need and extra script for making changes in users home directory before login |
| 09:05.48 | nsadmin | beygi, man newusers |
| 09:06.06 | nsadmin | let's get you up to speed before talking again |
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| 09:07.29 | beygi | nsadmin: nothing useful in man page :| |
| 09:07.40 | boudiccas | sheesh! |
| 09:08.27 | nsadmin | beygi, then you're not willing to accept a slightly different solution |
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| 09:09.02 | beygi | nsadmin: which different solution ? |
| 09:09.24 | nsadmin | you wanted to do: add a user, then run a script |
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| 09:09.48 | nsadmin | we'll call the content of that script A |
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| 09:10.19 | nsadmin | I'm saying you can write a script B which first adds a user then does whatever A is |
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| 09:10.45 | fish_ | hi |
| 09:11.45 | nsadmin | beygi, would a solution like that work for you? |
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| 09:13.11 | beygi | nsadmin: this solution must work with default behavior of adding users , i'm searching for a standard solution |
| 09:13.46 | Camber | I've changed the ServerName in sites-available/default, I've used the hostname commands etc, i've restarted apache and the server but it still identifies itself as an ip address and not the domain name I've entered, can anyone help? |
| 09:14.10 | fish_ | are there any documentations about the netboot initrd and which parameters it supports? |
| 09:15.40 | nsadmin | ok, then the next step is to convince yourself that newusers does the standard thing (but the question you must be asking yourself is, what is standard? remember that historically, debian did not have the shadow passwd suite, which {group,user}{add,del,mod} and newusers are in) |
| 09:16.19 | nsadmin | rather than consider it "standard" you must make your own decision as to what you want to do, and then make each target do that |
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| 09:19.48 | Camber | Could anyone advise changing from an ip address to a domain name in apache? |
| 09:20.02 | themill | beygi: there's a pam module to do this (but I can't recall its name and have never needed it myself...) |
| 09:20.35 | beygi | themill: thank you :) |
| 09:20.45 | themill | beygi: but the standard way of adding users is the adduser command and it can do any amount of setup you like but this is done at account creation time not at first login |
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| 09:22.06 | nsadmin | then you can cause users to be added to windows, debian, other dists of linux and dists of other unix-alikes... the point is that you can accomplish a wide variety of setups each of which target specific login or authentication systems and put infrastructure that works with the particualr system |
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| 09:22.48 | themill | Camber: do you have the correct mapping in /etc/hosts? |
| 09:22.50 | nsadmin | in any way you want |
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| 09:23.52 | themill | ,i libpam-mkhomedir |
| 09:23.53 | judd | No package named 'libpam-mkhomedir' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 09:23.56 | themill | ,i libpam-mkhomedir sid |
| 09:23.57 | judd | No package named 'libpam-mkhomedir' was found in sid/i386. |
| 09:24.00 | themill | grr |
| 09:24.00 | Camber | themill: Yes, changed that, but in phpinfo() it still states the ip address as http_host etc |
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| 09:24.32 | themill | beygi: it's in the libpam-modules package and is pam_mkhomedir iirc |
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| 09:25.59 | themill | Camber: does apache spit anything in the logs when you start it? |
| 09:26.28 | beygi | themill: thank you very much |
| 09:27.06 | themill | np |
| 09:27.13 | Camber | [Fri Aug 03 10:25:39 2012] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
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| 09:28.38 | themill | Camber: after that when it starts (it would be in the main access.log or error.log, not in any vhost logs you may have created) |
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| 09:30.49 | Camber | themill: I'm sorry, I don't understand. The sigterm error is the only notable thing after restart in the log |
| 09:31.04 | Camber | other than missing favicon etc |
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| 09:34.06 | boudiccas | i've just done a dist-upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, and its failed in the unpacking by this ... E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) ......... how do i resolve this please? i've tried removing 'phonon-backend-vlc' but its not installed, and i cant install it either |
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| 09:34.53 | themill | Camber: error.log would normally contain some notices on startup too. |
| 09:34.59 | boudiccas | I've looked at the man page nad read the section but i still dont see how to resolve the situation |
| 09:35.00 | themill | dpkg: tell boudiccas about immediate configuration |
| 09:35.49 | themill | boudiccas: you need to remove the vlc phonon and perhaps phonon-backend-xine to get past that one |
| 09:35.55 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 09:36.35 | themill | boudiccas: remove with "dpkg -r --force-depends ..." then apt-get -f install and then keep going with your dist-upgrade. |
| 09:37.03 | Camber | themill: here's everything that occurs in error.log on apache restart http://pastebin.com/i3hSHF71 |
| 09:37.25 | themill | (we spent years in this channel telling people to *never* use --force-* options with dpkg and now we're telling them to do so on a daily basis just to be able to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy *sob*) |
| 09:37.47 | cardamon | Is target release something that's not set by default? |
| 09:38.01 | themill | Camber: urgh. nothing helpful there. |
| 09:38.19 | themill | cardamon: you only have one release in your sources.list by default so no setting for default-release is necessary |
| 09:38.45 | cardamon | Ah, good...but then I'll want one for apt-pinning, right? |
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| 09:40.13 | somiaj | cardamon: what do you need apt-pinning for, in most cases you shouldn't be mixing debian releases. |
| 09:40.19 | themill | cardamon: default-release is just a form of pinning. You don't need both pinning and default-release; in fact, you probably don't want to do both at the same time as it will leave you confused when apt doesn't do what you expected |
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| 09:41.15 | cardamon | somiaj: sid's wine. winetricks in wheezy is critically blocked for amd64, and I'd rather not use the i386 version. |
| 09:41.23 | Camber | themill: Nope. The http_host and server_name in phpinfo() still appear as the ip address too. Any ideas on how to change? |
| 09:41.31 | opw | hi, if i have a server hosting a website with the domain name foobar.com on the ip 10.10.10.1, and then i have a mailserver on 10.10.10.2, when php scripts try to send emails from 10.1 it says the user does not exist (i think its trying to send it to itself because the domain name has the .10.1 ip and not the .10.2 ip. not sure how to prevent this. |
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| 09:41.45 | hR13_ | hi all, im having problem resizeing an ntfs disk with ntfsresize. Its a HP server with a raid5, I have just added 20 gb more to the logical drive C but I cant expand, when I run "ntfsresize -v -s 30G /dev/cciss/c0d0p1" I get "if you want to enlage NTFS then first enlarge the device size by e.g fdisk" and I dont know how to do that I have been googleling and reading manpages any help is much appreciated |
| 09:41.46 | opw | i guess i need to block local delivery? |
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| 09:42.10 | somiaj | cardamon: ahh, well due to dependencies I wouldn't use pinning for wine and just compile it from source. I compile my own wine deb packages due to how little they are matained in debian. |
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| 09:42.34 | themill | somiaj: wine in debian is actually in a good state atm |
| 09:42.54 | themill | ,v wine --release sid |
| 09:42.55 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- sid: 1.4.1-2 |
| 09:42.58 | themill | ,v wine-unstable --release sid |
| 09:42.59 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 09:43.05 | cardamon | hR13_: Think of them as two boxes. The partion is one box, and the filesystem is a box inside that box. You're enlarging the inner box without enlarging the outerbox. |
| 09:43.17 | cardamon | ,v wine-unstable --release wheezy |
| 09:43.19 | judd | No package named 'wine-unstable' was found in wheezy/i386. |
| 09:43.29 | cardamon | That's the crux of the issue. |
| 09:43.29 | themill | the clue is in the package name |
| 09:43.58 | somiaj | themill: will it make it into wheezy? Its good to see it finally catching up. |
| 09:44.04 | cardamon | So I want to set up pinning for wine-unstable. |
| 09:44.14 | themill | somiaj: wine's already there. wine-unstable is not designed to go into wheezy |
| 09:44.14 | cardamon | And just that. |
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| 09:44.49 | Camber | themill: I suppose I've set something up wrong. Could you walk me through the steps of how you'd do it from the basis that you've created a server without knowing what the domain name would be, bought the domain and assigned it to the ip address, and now you have to have the server recognise itself as that domain? |
| 09:44.56 | themill | cardamon: you may need to wait until ia32-libs is sorted out before that can happen |
| 09:44.57 | hR13_ | cardamon, hmm, yes I know, but how do I enlarge the outerbox ? |
| 09:45.13 | somiaj | cardamon: the issue is wine-unstable will depend on the core libaries in sid and you don't want to upgrades those in wheezy so you can install a sid package. Backports is going to be the way to deal with this. |
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| 09:45.52 | themill | at the moment a wheezy/sid mix is probably fine; in a few more weeks as they start to diverge, it's going to be more scary |
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| 09:47.04 | cardamon | somiaj: except there's no sid to wheezy backports, are there? I looked on the backports.debian.net and only saw sqeeze and lenny. |
| 09:47.07 | somiaj | themill: well it is good to see a more recent version of wine in wheezy. I see many issues with people messing things up trying to install wine. |
| 09:47.36 | themill | somiaj: wine on amd64 needs ia32-libs to be sorted out properly for multiarch still |
| 09:47.37 | somiaj | cardamon: there won't be until wheezy is offically released (and even then it may take a while for things to start to fill up) |
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| 09:48.00 | cardamon | Exactly my point. |
| 09:48.10 | cardamon | Thank you for clarifying. |
| 09:48.14 | somiaj | cardamon: but /msg dpkg ssbp (you can of course always make your own, but as themill is mentiong the multiarch support is going to add another wrench to the gears) |
| 09:48.59 | themill | yeah, it's not wine that's the issue here, it's going to be a multiarch'd libtiff or libsane or something similar |
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| 09:49.12 | cardamon | I've looked into multiarch, and I'm thinking installing wine-unstable:i386 might be an issue with 64bit applications run through wine. |
| 09:49.16 | jargon- | http://dpaste.com/780617/ ......uuhh.... why? |
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| 09:50.52 | boudiccas | whilst upgrading from squeeze to wheezy, an dhaving to do a forced install i get this error message because 'update manager' is running in the system tray ... E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? .. i am doing the install as sudo, but how do i get rid of the update manager please? |
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| 09:52.04 | themill | egads.. is update manager trying to do the upgrade for you too? |
| 09:52.12 | themill | there's a reason why I uninstall that thing |
| 09:52.15 | boudiccas | looks like it |
| 09:52.23 | boudiccas | i'm going to |
| 09:53.05 | somiaj | its looking like the squeeze->wheezy upgrade is gonna need a good amount more testing/fixing (and here I was hoping it would be smoother than the lenny->squeeze issues with udev) |
| 09:53.16 | themill | somiaj: oh yes :( |
| 09:53.42 | themill | boudiccas: stopping cron would be enough to prevent it restarting |
| 09:53.43 | boudiccas | so how do i get rid of the update manager please? |
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| 09:53.57 | boudiccas | k thnaks |
| 09:55.42 | boudiccas | cron is stopped but still unable to force install due to update manager sitting in the system tray like a lemon |
| 09:56.13 | boudiccas | how do i get rid of it please? |
| 09:56.14 | themill | the tray icon isn't the problem, its backend process is |
| 09:56.36 | Tiffy | you tried to dist-upgrade via that? |
| 09:56.37 | boudiccas | i'll try service update-manger stop |
| 09:56.42 | themill | it would be handy to know what it's up to |
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| 09:56.56 | cardamon | Maybe htop in tree mode will tell you what it's running, then you can send that a SIGTERM |
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| 09:59.18 | boudiccas | its not a service, and i cant use htop, its not installed |
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| 09:59.54 | themill | "ps axf" will give you enough of a view |
| 10:00.00 | boudiccas | any idea what the backend process is likely to be called in top, so i cna find its pid and then kill it |
| 10:00.44 | jelly | boudiccas: uninstalling all theupdate-manager* and update-notifier* bits, logging off and back on is a simple way |
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| 10:01.27 | boudiccas | jellywill that work in th e middle of a wheezy upgrade? |
| 10:01.53 | themill | logging off will.... actually the release notes normally tell you not to try upgrading while logged into a ?dm session |
| 10:02.14 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
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| 10:02.40 | cardamon | So if I want 64 bit wine in wheezy, I'm S.O.L. unless I want to live with sid libs even with apt-pinning? |
| 10:02.43 | jelly | boudiccas: well, not really; you can't have two packaging tools install or remove stuff at the same time |
| 10:03.06 | themill | cardamon: I don't know if it's even in that great a shape in sid right now |
| 10:03.07 | cardamon | er, not wine...winetricks |
| 10:03.18 | jelly | cardamon: isn't the wine and multiarch setup currently in flux |
| 10:03.28 | cardamon | I dunno. |
| 10:03.39 | jelly | find out |
| 10:04.14 | cardamon | All I know is that in wheezy, winetricks deps on wine-unstable, which isn't in wheezy:amd64. |
| 10:04.22 | cardamon | Currently. |
| 10:04.30 | cardamon | And it looks like it's been that way for a while. |
| 10:04.44 | jelly | I'm not sure wine-unstable will be present in a stable distro at all |
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| 10:05.00 | jelly | also s/will/should/ |
| 10:05.06 | cardamon | ,v wine-unstable squeeze |
| 10:05.07 | judd | No package named 'wine-unstable' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 10:05.20 | cardamon | Looks like. |
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| 10:05.58 | jelly | it's a package for a development release, they change often and you're not really expected to keep some old version and backport bugfixes |
| 10:06.01 | d0x | Hi, what is the easiest way to block a domain on debian? |
| 10:06.28 | d0x | i found hosts.deny but i think this is the opposite way |
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| 10:07.00 | DotHack | d0x, /etc/hosts then add a line 127.0.0.1 #domain# |
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| 10:08.08 | d0x | DotHack: funny :) |
| 10:08.09 | d0x | thx |
| 10:09.05 | DotHack | d0x, this will lead it to your localhost so if you have a webserver running its going to show the page of your local webserver |
| 10:09.28 | intore | hi, i need help to install a printer epson stylus sx130 on squeeze, i followed the page http://avasys.jp/eng/linux_driver/download/lsb/epson-inkjet/escp/ but after the installation it doesn't print |
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| 10:10.37 | d0x | DotHack: Thats nice for a temporally hack. It would be better if it rejects all connecitons |
| 10:10.45 | d0x | But for today it is ok |
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| 10:16.38 | boadicea | : still trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, and still am getting this error message when trying to do a force install ...E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?......... something is recreating the lock file every 2 minutes but it isnt the update manager becuse i've killed that off |
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| 10:16.51 | boudiccas | : still trying to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, and still am getting this error message when trying to do a force install ...E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?......... something is recreating the lock file every 2 minutes but it isnt the update manager becuse i've killed that off |
| 10:17.38 | boudiccas | can anyone help me please to find out what it is and kill it? |
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| 10:20.58 | cardamon | boudiccas: Have you stopped your DE yet? Tell the display manager service to stop, then upgrade on the command line. |
| 10:21.37 | boudiccas | cardamon: how? |
| 10:21.58 | boudiccas | how do you stop the de? and then get to teh command line to upgrade? |
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| 10:23.18 | DotHack | boudiccas, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 10:23.26 | cardamon | boudiccas: I'm assuming you're running gnome in squeeze. #/etc/init.d/gdm stop. Then run the upgrade. Assuming you haven't stuck this chat in a GNU screen, we'll lose you. |
| 10:24.47 | themill | kdm might be more likely given that the earlier upgrade error was from kde packages |
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| 10:25.06 | boudiccas | it seems to be working now, but thanks. i'll stay here for a bit longer whilst it does its biz |
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| 10:25.26 | cardamon | kdm, gdm, xdm, gdm3, slim...it's all the same. |
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| 10:27.19 | boudiccas | i was wrong, that was a normal upgrade by mistake |
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| 10:29.14 | boudiccas | it seems to be stuck in a loop, with E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'phonon-backend-vlc'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) blocking it. i cant remove phonon because its not installed, and if i dpkg -r $package; apt-get -f install then dpkg creates a lock file tso apt-get cant run. is there any way round this please? |
| 10:29.44 | themill | eh? there's no lock files involved there |
| 10:30.14 | boudiccas | dpkg as a packet manager creates it in file:///var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 10:30.14 | dpkg | wish i knew, boudiccas |
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| 10:30.32 | cardamon | lol packet |
| 10:30.47 | themill | boudiccas: and that lock file is not locked by the time dpkg run finishes |
| 10:31.03 | themill | real output from real commands in a pastebin would be handy |
| 10:31.04 | boudiccas | it just stays there blocking the apt-get |
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| 10:32.01 | boudiccas | i can give yopu pasteed output without the command because thats beyond the buffer |
| 10:35.12 | boudiccas | http://dpaste.com/780638/ finally |
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| 10:37.35 | boudiccas | but the command was sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 10:38.01 | themill | that doesn't look like the output of "dpkg -r --force-depends vlc phonon; apt-get -f install" |
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| 10:38.19 | boudiccas | no thats from sudo apt-get etc |
| 10:38.28 | cardamon | dist-upgrades are a bit like sex. Forcing them can be painful. |
| 10:38.43 | themill | boudiccas: quite.. but that wasn't the command you claimed was failing |
| 10:39.22 | boudiccas | i run sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade and i get that error message, but phonon-backend-vlc is not installed |
| 10:39.31 | themill | ... |
| 10:39.51 | cardamon | Sorry, couldn't resist. |
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| 10:40.06 | themill | cardamon: sudo make me a sandwich |
| 10:40.40 | cardamon | dpkg-reconfigure themill --a-sandwich |
| 10:42.18 | boudiccas | maybe if i remove vlc it will run? |
| 10:42.55 | themill | I think I've said that 3 times now, yes |
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| 10:47.43 | hR13_ | cardamon, do you know if the fdisk part at the end o this link is non destructive? http://www.xinotes.org/notes/note/948/ |
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| 15:16.34 | *** topic/#debian is squeeze (6.0.5) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | jessie will be wheezy+1 | lenny EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | wheezy frozen; /msg dpkg freeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 15:16.40 | sambagirl | another thing i noticed about debian. i can't find an About Debian option. Is there one? |
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| 15:17.04 | dkr | sambagirl: http://www.debian.org/intro/about :) |
| 15:17.08 | Diopter | colock: Items like d-i partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm boolean true, d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true, etc |
| 15:17.32 | colock | Diopter: this is already the case Diopter |
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| 15:17.46 | colock | my problem seems similar/related to this: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/forums/showthread.php/19746-Ubuntu-Installation-preseed-partman-not-partitioning-disk |
| 15:17.57 | hampsterblade | I run a debian server and about 6-10 times a day the network on it goes down for 20-30 second intervals. All other programs continue to work, but I am unable to ping it during this time. Does anybody know what could cause this? |
| 15:18.01 | colock | maybe it's not writing partitions to disk? |
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| 15:18.38 | sney | hampsterblade: what kind of network connection? and what nic? |
| 15:18.49 | boudiccas | hampsterblade: you're not feeding the hamsters inside enough? |
| 15:18.57 | avernos | i am getting this error when trying to run the xserver: Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 15:19.11 | avernos | using debian stable, and sshing the x |
| 15:19.13 | hampsterblade | I'm not sure, it's a server I rent at a data center, so the network connection is stable, the nic I'll pull just a moment |
| 15:20.17 | sney | avernos: well, nv does not exist, for nvidia hardware the options are nouveau, nvidiafb/fbdev, or (non-free) nvidia |
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| 15:20.48 | hampsterblade | the nic is Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2) |
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| 15:22.10 | sney | hampsterblade: are you renting the whole machine or is it a vps? |
| 15:22.18 | hampsterblade | whole machine |
| 15:23.01 | Diopter | hampsterblade: How much traffic are you getting? How much system load during these times? |
| 15:24.04 | hampsterblade | traffic is gnerally pretty low. I run apache and minecraft on it. Very little cpu usage. Ram is ussually around 50%, CPU can be 30%-80% depending on the day |
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| 15:26.13 | avernos | thanks sney |
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| 15:26.45 | sney | do you have any lights out management on the server so you can see what it's doing while the net is down? or check the logs after it comes back up |
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| 15:27.30 | hampsterblade | I'm not sure what you mean by that but I do have /var/log/syslog enabled if that's what you mean |
| 15:28.56 | hampsterblade | http://pastebin.com/8viC9X20 I do see this about the time the connection dropped though. |
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| 15:29.55 | sambagirl | grazie dkr but i meant in the actual operating system. |
| 15:30.14 | sambagirl | dkr i can find an About GNOME but no About Debian |
| 15:30.31 | DotHack | hampsterblade, the relay access denied indicates someone want to send spam through your server be it gets denied.. |
| 15:30.38 | colock | Diopter: will try using this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 <-- which has custom recipe example :] |
| 15:31.16 | sambagirl | i'm not trying to be petty btw. it's just that i am Ubuntuized. |
| 15:31.18 | hampsterblade | perhaps related to FluxBB? |
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| 15:32.02 | Diopter | colock: Probably decent. |
| 15:33.00 | ksuhku | hampsterblade, perhaps the volume of the spam is large? |
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| 15:33.32 | hampsterblade | I don't know how they're getting in. |
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| 15:34.41 | tharkun | Good $(date) Im ditching the use of gzip in favour of some other program/algorithm that has a higher compression rate. I've been testing xz, 7z with nice results, Is there something extra that I should also try? |
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| 15:36.10 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: There are some published benchmarks of compression rate vs. time/cpu usage. gzip is pretty much the most efficient. |
| 15:36.39 | DotHack | tharkun, paralel bzip is also cool if you have lots of cores |
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| 15:37.09 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: I do agree with you, this specific system has lots of idle cpu and not that much hdd so go figure. :) |
| 15:37.47 | tharkun | DotHack: bzip2 well I allready tried it and compression rates/time is not exactly what is needed at this momment |
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| 15:38.22 | DotHack | tharkun, im talking about pbzip2.. this is the paralel version and can speed things up significanlty with some extra cores |
| 15:38.46 | thewanderer1 | simonlnu, sorry to bug you specifically, but you seem to have some experience with PowerDNS recursor... can't seem to make it serve AAAA queries from /etc/hosts, any advice? |
| 15:39.00 | colock | DotHack: no more insights into that article, probably i'm in the same case as those guys: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2012/03/msg00407.html <-- need to use: pvremove -y -ff `list-devices disk | head -n1`* || true |
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| 15:39.31 | tharkun | DotHack: ok, written down for testing this evening. Thanks |
| 15:39.42 | simonlnu | thewanderer1: well, first enable serving aaaa records, and also allow it to serve from /etc/hosts. |
| 15:40.29 | jhutchins_wk | DotHack: I think he's looking for best compression regardless of time/load. |
| 15:40.37 | themill | tharkun: many of the algorithms (esp xz) are sensitive to the compression level chosen. They trade memory usage and speed for archive size. There are some benchmarks on debian-devel for package compression (size, memory usage, compress time, uncompress time) for different options |
| 15:41.00 | jhutchins_wk | tharkun: Be sure you're specifying the compression level option, a lot of the programs default to less than best compression. |
| 15:41.20 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, what he said. |
| 15:41.21 | colock | oups, meant for Diopter, not DotHack, sorry |
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| 15:42.06 | Diopter | colock: You can early_command that, I suppose. |
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| 15:42.12 | colock | that's it, yes |
| 15:42.17 | colock | trying right now |
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| 15:42.39 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: Yes, I've noted that there is a 2% compression difference among the standard settings and the maximum ones on xz as well as on 7z. |
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| 15:43.51 | tharkun | themill: thanks, Where is debian-devel located? I'm not precisely a master on google searching :( |
| 15:43.59 | ksuhku | tharkun, and then there's the time to uncompress to also include in the considerations |
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| 15:44.26 | themill | tharkun: "site:list.debian.org/debian-devel/2012 xz compression" should turn it up. Or perhaps it was 2011... |
| 15:44.48 | ansgar | s/list.debian.org/lists.debian.org/ |
| 15:45.05 | themill | err, yeah |
| 15:46.09 | tharkun | themill, ansgar: Thanks :-) |
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| 15:50.09 | thewanderer1 | simonlnu, I've enabled serving AAAA (well, I think... it serves rkaw.pl just fine), and enabled serving from /etc/hosts |
| 15:52.01 | tharkun | themill: very instructive, it seems it is the way to go for this particular case. Since the compression time is significant, it is only done once the decompression is quite fast and the space savings are meaningfull. Thanks for the link |
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| 15:52.40 | themill | np |
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| 15:55.17 | thewanderer1 | pdns-recursor simply disregards AAAA records in /etc/hosts for me... example: fd00::1 w00t.home and dig w00t.home returns NXDOMAIN |
| 15:55.57 | thewanderer1 | and their OFTC channel is not terribly helpful... |
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| 15:58.00 | simonlnu | it should normally do it... i've disable it, as i had overlapping entries... |
| 15:58.05 | simonlnu | disabled* |
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| 15:59.34 | thewanderer1 | overlapping how? with external DNS? |
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| 15:59.49 | MaxFrames | hello again |
| 16:00.02 | tharkun | thewanderer1: why not configure a single bind server with different views ? |
| 16:00.07 | wkhan113 | Hello, is there a way to download Debian with kernel 3x? |
| 16:00.19 | thewanderer1 | tharkun, BIND has never been secure, I don't want it... |
| 16:00.39 | MaxFrames | I decided to solve the problem with firestarter blocking connections for no apparent reason, by uninstalling firestarter, flushing the iptables rules and chains completely, and rebuilding the ruleset by hand from scratch |
| 16:00.53 | thewanderer1 | plus I'm running pdns as the authoritative server just fine - only the recursor is having problems, it seems |
| 16:01.46 | MaxFrames | can you review my ruleset and confirm if it's correct/sufficient for my purpouse (which is to drop all INPUT except what I explicitly allow; allow all OUTPUT; and make the machine act as an openvpn server with nat masquerading, tun mode)? |
| 16:01.58 | tharkun | thewanderer1: I will take note and try it next time I am in need of a dns server. |
| 16:02.08 | MaxFrames | this is the pastebin of my current iptables rule set http://pastebin.com/y8nfnQjr |
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| 16:02.36 | MaxFrames | f00.b4r. is to hide two public ip octets for privacy obviously |
| 16:02.47 | MaxFrames | thanks in advance :) |
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| 16:03.04 | WormFood | are there any tools in debian, that can give me the technical info about a cd/iso image? Such as how it is formatted, what type of emulation (if any) it uses, and so on. |
| 16:03.09 | idle_task | Hello |
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| 16:03.33 | idle_task | Is there any way to extract the {pre,post}{inst,rm} from a .deb without installing the package? |
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| 16:04.31 | wkhan113 | Hello, is there a way to download Debian with kernel 3x? |
| 16:04.42 | dvs | !tell wkhan113 about kmuto |
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| 16:05.24 | pparadis | WormFood: iso images are be definition iso 9660 formatted. i don't know what you're referring to with respect to emulation. you can mount iso images to inspect their comments with something like "mount -tiso9660 something.iso /mnt/point |
| 16:05.28 | pparadis | " |
| 16:05.31 | colock | yes! custom partition recipe now works [: now, the postinstallation thingies for the created user :P |
| 16:05.35 | pparadis | s/are be/are by/ |
| 16:05.59 | idle_task | pparadis: -o loop |
| 16:06.37 | wkhan113 | dvs: Is that iso the same as the normal iso, but with the newer kernel? |
| 16:06.45 | WormFood | pparadis, may I suggest you check out the el torito bootable CD-ROM specifications, There is a link to it at the bottom of this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Torito_%28CD-ROM_standard%29 |
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| 16:07.03 | pparadis | WormFood: yes, el torito exists. what's the point? |
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| 16:07.12 | WormFood | the el torito cd-rom format cover emulating a floppy image, a hard drive image.... |
| 16:07.32 | pparadis | WormFood: i'm trying to figure out what you're actually asking here. |
| 16:07.33 | WormFood | you said you didn't know what I was referring to with emulation |
| 16:07.46 | WormFood | go look at that document, and it will be more clear |
| 16:08.11 | WormFood | I don't want to manually go through hex dumps and decode this information manually. I'm hoping there is a tool to do this for me. |
| 16:08.33 | MaxFrames | anyone? |
| 16:08.37 | tharkun | MaxFrames: man iptables |less +/multiport |
| 16:08.42 | ksuhku | idle_task, use any old archiver to extract the .deb? |
| 16:09.29 | pparadis | WormFood: gotcha, "emulation" is used in a context there that i haven't actually used it in years. lemme see what i can find. |
| 16:09.52 | WormFood | I can understand the confusion, as that word seems to be overused lately |
| 16:09.59 | idle_task | ksuhku: "old archiver"? |
| 16:10.01 | pparadis | yeah :) |
| 16:10.03 | wkhan113 | Are http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ images same as the normal debian iso's, just different kernels? |
| 16:10.04 | WormFood | I mean, within the computer industry, in general |
| 16:10.16 | ksuhku | idle_task, as in any archiver |
| 16:10.16 | MaxFrames | tharkun: what I have done with the ruleset is a result of reading the man pages. now, I am asking for a confirmation that I did right. |
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| 16:10.45 | Diopter | WormFood: So what are you trying to do exactly? Use one of the emulators? |
| 16:10.53 | MaxFrames | if that is not too much of course... this being supposedly a user to user help channel about debian :) |
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| 16:12.07 | WormFood | I have a no emulation iso image. I can boot it from the cd, with no problems. I need access to the files on the cd. If I mount the .iso image on a loopback, it mounts ok, but I can't see the contents of the emulated image. I had found the proper offset in the past, but that info was lost when my hard drive crashed (and the damn drive I baked it up to crashed at the same time), but can't find it again. |
| 16:12.54 | Diopter | WormFood: You can extract the ISO with bsdtar. |
| 16:12.57 | WormFood | if you've never encountered an iso image like this, it will sound like I'm crazy. Yes, I can mount the iso image on a loopback, but get an error |
| 16:13.16 | Diopter | WormFood: Elaborate? Or, can you provide a link to it? |
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| 16:13.31 | Diopter | WormFood: I work with ISOs somewhat for a living, so maybe I can help :P |
| 16:13.32 | WormFood | Diopter, based on what I've seen in the past, with other tools, I sorta doubt it will work...but, I'm willing to give it a shot |
| 16:13.42 | tharkun | MaxFrames: I directed you to a specific subpart of the man page so you can make your ruleset smaller, easier to read and maintain. I do hope you did read and realize that you lack some rules to make your ruleset even safer and easier to debug |
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| 16:14.30 | WormFood | the iso image is of a commercial program....so I'm not at liberty to redistribute it....however, maybe you have access to it. It is Paragon Partition Manager V 11 (it is Linux based)....sorta like partition magic. |
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| 16:15.11 | Diopter | Why... would you ... why D: |
| 16:15.16 | Diopter | Just use gparted or something |
| 16:15.55 | WormFood | gparted I also have, but they do not have the same features. |
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| 16:16.17 | Diopter | Like what? I'm really curious |
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| 16:17.14 | WormFood | I like gparted, but partition manager handles windows partitions better. It can go into windows and correct the registry, and fix some problems with windows. |
| 16:17.24 | Diopter | ... |
| 16:17.31 | Diopter | Wtf? That's not a partition manager. lol |
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| 16:17.47 | Diopter | So you have some kind of linux-based Windows rescue tool. Ok. |
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| 16:18.19 | WormFood | http://www.partition-manager.com/ |
| 16:18.35 | WormFood | then what it is, if it isn't Partition Manager? That is what it says when it boots. |
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| 16:18.52 | WormFood | are you thinking of a different commercial product (partition magic, maybe?) |
| 16:19.11 | themill | WormFood: "file -k foo.iso" provides more information about what's inside the iso, if that's what you mean |
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| 16:19.53 | WormFood | thanks themill, but that simply tells me that the iso image is bootable. It gives me no more information |
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| 16:20.16 | WormFood | I'm sorry, it also tells me "ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data" |
| 16:20.59 | themill | WormFood: *shrug*... it gives quite a lot of information about a squeeze netinst image. Thought it might help you here. |
| 16:21.17 | WormFood | hhhmmm....let me try it on that image, and see what it gives me (I'm curious now) |
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| 16:22.12 | WormFood | themill, what "file" do you have? Is it the regular one, or do you have a special one? |
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| 16:22.33 | themill | file (1) from wheezy |
| 16:22.48 | WormFood | ok, I see what you mean now |
| 16:23.04 | WormFood | I guess the image I was testing on, wasn't "right" |
| 16:23.05 | themill | squeeze's file(1) provides the same into |
| 16:23.39 | WormFood | (bootable)\012- x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x17, active, starthead 2, startsector 64, 413632 sectors, code offset 0x31 <-- is what I get, but I don't get anything like that with my iso image in question |
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| 16:25.09 | WormFood | themill, thanks for that tip about "file -k". I wasn't aware file could do that much more. |
| 16:25.14 | colock | wt.. |
| 16:25.37 | ksuhku | idle_task, you're welcome |
| 16:25.39 | colock | i give an lvm recipe in preseed.cfg but the partman thingie keeps ignoring my vg names :/ |
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| 16:25.49 | Jef91 | So I created another user on my system - but the terminal for that user doesn't have any bash history and instead of being "username@hostname$" it just has "$" what did I forget to add? |
| 16:25.50 | MaxFrames | good, so I can compress multiple rules into one with multiport. good. but, what about the rules I wrote, do they look correct? |
| 16:25.55 | colock | why does it always create $hostname-main vg instead of using my setup? |
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| 16:26.26 | colock | no, just $hostname, not $hostname-main |
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| 16:26.51 | Diopter | Jef91: Sounds like you didn't use a method of creating a user that copies the skeleton files. |
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| 16:27.09 | idle_task | ksuhku: I looked up because "any" archiver cannot possibly work -- I just use ar |
| 16:27.13 | Diopter | Jef91: copy the contents of /etc/skel to the user's home directory, and chown them for the user. |
| 16:27.35 | colock | oh, i see. should comment out partman-auto/method string lvm i guess |
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| 16:29.36 | themill | Jef91: try creating users with "adduser" next time |
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| 16:30.13 | dleonardi | hi! i need to share files via netatalk to an OSX lion machine. i could care less about timemachine, all documents i find menition that. I am currently getting a message telling me that "the version of the server you are trying to connect to is not supported". Can anybody help me out? |
| 16:30.16 | WormFood | these El Torito specs are odd... they say it uses a 200 byte sector |
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| 16:37.17 | jhutchins_wk | dleonardi: Perhaps you could determine the version of the server you are trying to connect to? |
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| 16:42.34 | Jef91 | what debian package contains the "chroot" command? |
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| 16:44.03 | Diopter | Jef91: coreutils |
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| 16:47.07 | colock | ahhhhh found the freaking problem: http://cptyesterday.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/notes-on-using-expert_recipe-in-debianubuntu-preseed-files/ <-- "Unfortunately the expert_recipe part of partman can currently only handles a single disk for partition based recipes" |
| 16:47.28 | colock | wonderful. |
| 16:47.33 | colock | hopefully the guy already came up with a hacky workaround <3 |
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| 16:50.14 | Diopter | colock: Just use early_command |
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| 16:51.26 | colock | Diopter: how so? |
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| 16:51.59 | Diopter | colock: To make the disk changes you care about. Before partman runs. |
| 16:52.08 | colock | Diopter: i want partman to do them |
| 16:52.17 | nerdistmonk | is anyone else having trouble getting the official nvidia driver to install? (from the website?) |
| 16:52.56 | colock | what about the device{ } option ? shouldn't it be used by partman to know on which device create the vg? |
| 16:53.24 | thewanderer1 | !tell nerdistmonk about nvidia |
| 16:53.45 | nerdistmonk | lol the wiki page isnt going to help with it not building the kernel module |
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| 16:54.07 | colock | Diopter: i want something like that: /dev/sda1 -> /boot [200MB], /dev/sda2 -> lvm vg=main [max], /dev/sdb1 -> lvm vg=home, /dev/sdc1 -> lvm vg=data; main/root xfs, main/swap swap, home/home xfs (max), data/var ext4 (max) |
| 16:54.10 | Diopter | colock: Maybe so. Haven't dug into the partman expert recipes in preseeding much yet. |
| 16:54.46 | colock | the thing is, partman creates some /dev/sda1 for /boot (fine) then /dev/sda5 for $hostname vg and leave /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc untouched :/ |
| 16:55.45 | nerdistmonk | so is there some reason why i cant build the nvidia kernel module? it fails with bad return status 2 |
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| 16:57.25 | colock | besides, with partman /etc/fstab gets configured for free. |
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| 16:59.43 | colock | ok, so post_command will be :/ |
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| 17:02.34 | colock | now I try with just one disk and one vg |
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| 17:03.07 | colock | the whole point is to be able to add a new virtual disk and add it to the volume group. would have been better to separate main/home/data groups, but let's compromise :P |
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| 17:24.04 | colock | partman-lvm is very near to make me completely mad |
| 17:25.32 | colock | beygi: xargs has no output |
| 17:25.53 | beygi | colock: solved , thank you |
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| 17:59.16 | fabiobik | hello guys |
| 17:59.17 | fabiobik | arp-scan must be SUID root |
| 17:59.29 | fabiobik | its not chmod -s ? |
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| 18:03.47 | colock | ok now this is very strange. my preseed partman expert_recipe, if I add up /dev/sda1 (/boot) and /dev/sda2 (which i don't know why partman keeps ignoring the $primary{ } directive, so it's actually /dev/sda5) which should be my lvm2 vg, i get 256000 MB |
| 18:04.23 | colock | partman: Available disk space (26845) too small for expert_recipe (511800) |
| 18:04.28 | colock | where "511800" comes from? |
| 18:05.02 | colock | how LAME |
| 18:05.07 | fabiobik | arp-scan must be SUID root. how to solve this? |
| 18:05.08 | fabiobik | sudo chmod -g /usr/bin/arp-scan |
| 18:05.12 | simonlnu | expecting kB? |
| 18:05.23 | colock | it actually ADDS up logical volumes (which should be INSIDE the lvm vg) with the /boot and lvm partition |
| 18:05.25 | colock | how smart. |
| 18:05.54 | simonlnu | fabiobik: um, man chmod. dunno what you're trying to do with that.... |
| 18:06.03 | colock | i.e. /dev/sda1 + /dev/sda5 + (lv-root + lv-swap + lv-home + lv-var) == 511800 |
| 18:06.09 | colock | how to put some sense in it? |
| 18:06.10 | fabiobik | arp-scan must be SUID root. how to solve this? |
| 18:06.28 | simonlnu | fabiobik: stop re-asking so often please. |
| 18:06.40 | colock | but it should only check sda1+sda5 |
| 18:06.43 | fabiobik | simonlnu, you ask me what i want to do |
| 18:06.56 | simonlnu | fabiobik: it wasn't a question. |
| 18:07.06 | colock | let's try by re-adding in_vg{ } directives... |
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| 18:07.26 | pparadis | fabiobik: what problem are you trying to solve? please provide more information instead of simply repeating yourself. |
| 18:07.40 | simonlnu | fabiobik: what you want is something like u+s. where you got that -g from i have no idea |
| 18:07.46 | fabiobik | pparadis, run a program SSUID |
| 18:07.57 | fabiobik | with root premitions |
| 18:08.01 | fabiobik | *permitions |
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| 18:08.07 | simonlnu | 'permissions' |
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| 18:08.17 | fabiobik | thanks |
| 18:08.19 | fabiobik | xD |
| 18:08.20 | simonlnu | np |
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| 18:11.24 | simonlnu | colock: just a thought, but maybe it's "layered". the lv stuff inside the vg stuff... talking outta my ass here, as i don't know the syntax. |
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| 18:11.55 | colock | simonlnu: what? |
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| 18:12.08 | colock | it's just miscalculating the expert_recipe total size |
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| 18:12.20 | colock | it should /NOT/ add logical volumes to the total |
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| 18:12.28 | colock | as they are /inside/ the createed volume group. |
| 18:12.34 | simonlnu | no, of course not |
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| 18:12.43 | colock | i should add a disk twice the size |
| 18:12.44 | simonlnu | the vg already has the total |
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| 18:13.48 | colock | make the installer run, then shrink the disk? |
| 18:13.48 | colock | what's the logic? |
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| 18:15.55 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 18:17.03 | ceil | how can i change the "Pictures folder" that debian/gnome uses for my screensaver? |
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| 18:17.19 | fabiobik | simonlnu, ive tryed chmod -s /usr/bin/arp-scan and appears to be ok |
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| 18:17.37 | sanitypassing | is it possible to use the dd command to clone a drive? |
| 18:17.41 | fabiobik | but still needs the root |
| 18:17.46 | sanitypassing | including partitions and such |
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| 18:23.40 | Xtreme666 | hello guys, i want to upgrade my php and apache |
| 18:23.48 | Xtreme666 | php to 5.4 how can i? |
| 18:24.10 | jhutchins_wk | What's the debian apache site enable/disable command? |
| 18:24.24 | Xtreme666 | apache site? |
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| 18:24.56 | jhutchins_wk | Xtreme666: There is a utility script to link/unlink from /etc/apache/sites-available and sites-enabled. |
| 18:25.27 | Xtreme666 | just create a link, or move file from available to enable |
| 18:25.33 | Xtreme666 | i create a link and move the link |
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| 18:26.13 | jhutchins_wk | That's not what I asked. I asked what the script was called. |
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| 18:26.47 | jhutchins_wk | a2ensite/a2dissite |
| 18:26.47 | Xtreme666 | wtf |
| 18:26.52 | Xtreme666 | why all users are jumping? |
| 18:27.01 | Xtreme666 | jhutchins_wk: sorry, never did that ;( |
| 18:27.03 | jhutchins_wk | Xtreme666: also a2enmod/a2dismod |
| 18:27.04 | dvs | Xtreme666: they say YOU! |
| 18:27.07 | dvs | jk |
| 18:27.20 | jhutchins_wk | Could be a netsplit. |
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| 18:39.25 | sfsf32 | is there an open source program that supports the sky protocol or i am forced to install skype for linux? |
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| 18:39.27 | nvz | sfsf32: pretty sure pidgin has it but I'm sure its limited to messaging |
| 18:39.52 | sfsf32 | ok, ty |
| 18:40.00 | boudiccas | i am using pidgin for irc |
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| 18:40.19 | somiaj | sfsf32: you will most likely have to use skype for linux (the new version was released recentally and is slighty better than its pretoscessor) |
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| 18:41.02 | sfsf32 | somiaj, ok, i will try it |
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| 18:41.55 | graham1 | i just got my first vps to play with. how do i do all the neccessary updates etc? |
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| 18:43.45 | somiaj | graham1: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 18:44.02 | somiaj | graham1: you could past/look at apt-cache policy |
| 18:44.31 | somiaj | graham1: to see what repo/versions you have available for your system (hoping it is squeze and not lenny) |
| 18:45.39 | graham1 | thanks for helping a noob somiaj |
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| 18:46.03 | somiaj | graham1: well I'm just a hack so it works out. (: |
| 18:46.20 | graham1 | if i just run aptitude update && aptitude upgrade every now and again, will i be relatively secure? |
| 18:46.35 | somiaj | graham1: if you are running debian stable (squeeze) |
| 18:46.43 | graham1 | how do i know which i am running? |
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| 18:46.45 | somiaj | if it is lenny or any other debian version you don't get security fixes |
| 18:46.46 | graham1 | im logged in as root atm |
| 18:47.13 | somiaj | graham1: goto paste.debian.org and paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 18:47.13 | nvz | graham1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:47.13 | somiaj | graham1: also give us a copy of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:48.35 | somiaj | nvz: lsb_release -r is probabaly a better method...I wouldn't trust that file. (: |
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| 18:49.17 | graham1 | after applying an update do i need to reboot? |
| 18:49.28 | graham1 | all i done so far is aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 18:49.47 | graham1 | im on 6.0.5 apparently |
| 18:49.50 | somiaj | graham1: only if there is a kernel update (on a vps the kernel is probabaly provided by your vps provider so no) |
| 18:49.55 | somiaj | graham1: that is squeeze. |
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| 18:50.21 | graham1 | k |
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| 18:50.50 | colock | gotmynick: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=19;filename=partman-auto.patch;att=1;bug=517935 |
| 18:50.51 | BuisSse | Hello All |
| 18:51.04 | colock | gotmynick: don't know what's the status, but a patch already exists |
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| 18:51.32 | colock | let's see if I'm able to apply on a live installation :P |
| 18:51.37 | BuisSse | I have a UTM Device with Squid, Snort, IPtables configurationand OpenVPN..It was working fine for around and 2 months and today it hit the panic button |
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| 18:51.44 | BuisSse | I could ping local IP's |
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| 18:51.51 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i just installed apcupsd and during the install, i got this: update-rc.d: warning: apcupsd start runlevel arguments (1 2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) |
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| 18:51.56 | BuisSse | I could even ping the WAn Gateways (2 links) |
| 18:52.02 | BuisSse | but no internet :-( |
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| 18:52.09 | fishsponge_ | i have googled this for ages, and it seems to happen everywhere, but nobody is discussing the solution, or whether this is actually fine as it is... |
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| 18:52.24 | fishsponge_ | The line below also says: update-rc.d: warning: apcupsd stop runlevel arguments (0 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (0 1 6) |
| 18:52.28 | somiaj | fishsponge_: that is just a warning. What version of debian are you running? |
| 18:52.34 | graham1 | [19:46] <somiaj> graham1: goto paste.debian.org and paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 18:52.39 | fishsponge_ | somiaj, 6.0.5 squeeze |
| 18:52.41 | graham1 | [19:47] <somiaj> graham1: also give us a copy of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:52.51 | BuisSse | anyone? |
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| 18:52.57 | graham1 | how am i supposed to even browse the net on this oldschool text shell lol! |
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| 18:53.09 | Calinou | use a text mode browser |
| 18:53.15 | Calinou | http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:53.17 | Calinou | .net not .org ;) |
| 18:53.18 | fishsponge_ | somiaj, i figured it was just a warning, but should I be aware and therefore modify the init script or is apcupsd meant to start up and shut down in those runlevels? |
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| 18:53.22 | somiaj | fishsponge_: seems strange, is this a package from squeeze or a third party repo |
| 18:53.51 | fishsponge_ | somiaj, i have the deb-multimedia repo installed, but other than that, i have just the standard repos. i then ran "apt-get install apcupsd" |
| 18:53.52 | somiaj | fishsponge_: it is just a sigh difference between runlevels, I see nothing that is important. If the service doesn't start right then maybe fiure out why it wasn't set to install in the correct runlevel. |
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| 18:54.24 | fishsponge_ | somiaj, i could test it and figure it out, but I thought a lot of people with UPS devices used apcupsd as it seems to be the standard... |
| 18:54.35 | somiaj | fishsponge_: you can use 'apt-cache policy apcupsd' to see what repo it came from. But I would just ignore it unless the service doesn't come up correctly (and I don't see why it won't, it was put int he correct runlevels) |
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| 18:55.06 | graham1 | how do i start a text mode browser? |
| 18:55.08 | somiaj | fishsponge_: for some reason it was not put in runlevel 1 (but 2 is the default). |
| 18:55.09 | fishsponge_ | somiaj, it will startup correctly because runlevel 1 seems to be the quirky one, and the system does not boot up in runlevel 1 |
| 18:55.21 | somiaj | fishsponge_: usually runlevel 1 is single user |
| 18:55.33 | somiaj | !tell graham1 about pastebininit |
| 18:55.48 | somiaj | !tell graham1 about pastebinit |
| 18:56.00 | fishsponge_ | somiaj, LSB default values are that runlevel 1 is for stopping. apcupsd, however, says it should start-up in runlevel 1 |
| 18:56.03 | somiaj | graham1: I think you have squeeze, so I really am just gonna trust your vps gave you decent sources.list |
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| 18:56.12 | fishsponge_ | does anyone here use apcupsd? |
| 18:56.44 | somiaj | graham1: look at teh output of 'apt-cache policy' do you see a line that talks about 'security.debian.org' |
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| 18:57.10 | graham1 | yup i see security.debian.org mentioned |
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| 18:57.26 | lopedra | hi |
| 18:57.27 | somiaj | graham1: that is all I wanted to check, you should have security updates and everything just fine. |
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| 18:58.08 | lopedra | i want to ask about create complex network |
| 18:58.09 | fabiobik | ive give to arp-scan ssuid (aparently) with this command chmod -s /usr/bin/X11/arp-scan but still not get root privileges |
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| 18:58.14 | fabiobik | can someone help me |
| 18:59.02 | somiaj | fabiobik: read the chmod manpage again. -s sounds like it takes away ssuid, +s should give it |
| 18:59.06 | Diopter | fabiobik: Have you tried +s? Or reading the chmod manpage? |
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| 18:59.07 | graham1 | cool. i want to run a remote torrent client with web access. once it is downloaded i want it to spit out a https link or so. this is for 100% legal purposes. im starting a comp sci degree in september. its for the students basically |
| 18:59.14 | graham1 | is there a decent guide you can refer me to plz? |
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| 18:59.29 | fishsponge_ | anyone use apcupsd? anyone at all? |
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| 18:59.39 | somiaj | fabiobik: though you should probabaly do u+s or g+s (so you don't give everyone ssuid privilages on that) |
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| 19:00.12 | somiaj | graham1: well lynx/links2 are two command line browsers that are popular (install one or the other or both) |
| 19:00.18 | lopedra | i have a server has two ethernet card. and i have a second machine which has a one ethernet card. the first server connected internet via ethernet1 and ethernet2 currently offline. i want to buy a simple switch and create simple network first server to second server |
| 19:00.22 | somiaj | graham1: wget is a good program if you just want to get something from the net |
| 19:00.35 | lopedra | is it possible ? |
| 19:00.47 | BuisSse | I faced a pecular problem today, I could ping both my WAN gateways but couldnt ping any website |
| 19:00.58 | lopedra | the second server does not require internet connection |
| 19:01.02 | somiaj | lopedra: if you get a cross over cable you can do it without a swith (but that only gives you one machine conencted) |
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| 19:01.22 | somiaj | lopedra: you should look up iptables nat and ipmasq (for howtos on how to setup the server with two network cards as a router) |
| 19:01.57 | somiaj | lopedra: and if you don't want to share the internent connenction but only have to two machines talk to eachother, it is posible, just use a crossover cable and static ips |
| 19:02.13 | graham1 | does wget work with .torrents? |
| 19:02.29 | lopedra | basicly i want to send backup files to second server thats all |
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| 19:02.58 | nkuttler | graham1: rtorrent is nice, and there are web interfaces afaik |
| 19:03.03 | somiaj | lopedra: yea you can do that with just connencting the two eithernet cards and setting up static ips for an internel network. I use 192.168.x.x ips |
| 19:03.28 | somiaj | graham1: no, I use ctorrent for a command line torrent the few times I had to torrent something. But not something I am familar with and other options |
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| 19:04.50 | graham1 | nkuttler: once it downloads, how does the person operating the web interface download it? is a direct link given? |
| 19:06.15 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: The torrent protocol has nothing to do with the web interface, that's just a way of finding the torrent links. |
| 19:07.15 | nkuttler | graham1: rtorrent is in debian, i have never used the web interface. anyway, serving files is trivial with an httpd |
| 19:07.17 | lopedra | somiaj: for example my main server has two static ip address, first the ethernet0 which has: 46.24.55.44, and ethernet1 has: 192.168.2.6, and second machine has one ethernet and static ip: 192.168.2.7, if i get a cross cable and put it in first server second ethernet |
| 19:07.25 | nkuttler | graham1: oh, and please keep it in the channel |
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| 19:07.31 | lopedra | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.42 | graham1 | sorry |
| 19:07.58 | graham1 | jesus. ive never used linux before basically. where do i even start. how do i get rtorrent firstly? |
| 19:08.05 | somiaj | lopedra: that should all you need to do. Most cables aren't crossovers though. If you don't have one of those you'll need a switch between them |
| 19:08.11 | lopedra | and execute ping command from first server ( ping 192.168.2.7 ) then i get the answer right |
| 19:08.16 | somiaj | graham1: aptitude install rtorrent |
| 19:08.21 | somiaj | graham1: aptitude search rtorrent |
| 19:08.28 | somiaj | graham1: run the second one first |
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| 19:09.06 | graham1 | ok i ran the second one. it found something. how do i download it? |
| 19:09.07 | jhutchins_wk | lopedra: Yes, that will work. Be sure to set the same netmask on both systems. |
| 19:09.37 | nkuttler | graham1: btw, not sure what you're trying to do, but you should probably talk to your network admins before running torrents and hosting files |
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| 19:09.56 | somiaj | graham1: aptitude install <package name> |
| 19:10.00 | lopedra | thank you your response are verry verry helpfull |
| 19:10.06 | lopedra | and iwant to ask more |
| 19:10.15 | graham1 | i know. it will be fine dont worry. its totally legit torrent traffic adn they are okay with that. i asked them |
| 19:11.09 | somiaj | graham1: we will just pretend you awnt to do leagle stuff. But we are just talking about installing a torrent program no need to justify why you want one. |
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| 19:11.22 | somiaj | graham1: people use torrents legaglly all the time. (: |
| 19:11.25 | graham1 | ive installed rtorrent. how do i setup usernames/passwords etc? dont want anybody to be able to access this |
| 19:11.32 | MikeekiM | hi |
| 19:11.57 | somiaj | graham1: you will have to read the documentation. 'man rtorrent' and check out the files in /usr/share/doc/rtorrent |
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| 19:12.01 | nkuttler | graham1: you need auth? rtorrent is just a torrent client.. |
| 19:12.23 | lopedra | second step: the servers connected via cross over cable, is net network share will work with no problem right ? |
| 19:12.24 | somiaj | graham1: only people who can log into your vps can use the torret client you just installed |
| 19:12.37 | lopedra | *network |
| 19:12.39 | somiaj | lopedra: once the two computers can talk to eachother you can share anything |
| 19:12.46 | graham1 | oh. no i need a remote web client :( |
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| 19:12.50 | somiaj | lopedra: if you want to share the internet connenction that will take additional work. |
| 19:13.02 | lopedra | no internet connection |
| 19:13.07 | lopedra | just filesharing |
| 19:13.07 | nkuttler | graham1: what kind of client? so the users can download files with a web browser or? |
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| 19:14.04 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: You dont' really need a web client. |
| 19:14.08 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: http://lifehacker.com/285489/a-beginners-guide-to-bittorrent |
| 19:14.35 | graham1 | yes. so they dont need to access the vps through putty and all that. they enter <ip>:<port> in their browser, and then can download things on the vps. and hopefully a direct link is provided somehow |
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| 19:15.24 | lopedra | and if i add this line in to /etc/fstab 192.168.2.6:/mnt/apps /mnt/software nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 19:15.29 | jhutchins_wk | leonid: You need to set up a server/client system to transfer files. There is more than one way to do this. |
| 19:15.36 | graham1 | utorrent does it for windows. maybe i should search for that |
| 19:15.44 | jhutchins_wk | lopedra: You need to set up a server/client system to transfer files. There is more than one way to do this. |
| 19:15.55 | graham1 | but utorrent has a gui etc |
| 19:15.58 | somiaj | lopedra: if you have sshd running on one of the machines you can use that to transfer files with scp/rsync -- that is my suggestion |
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| 19:16.11 | graham1 | will my vps come with a gui? so can i run rtorrent now? |
| 19:16.12 | lopedra | somiaj: i have to mount drives |
| 19:16.19 | peterS | somiaj: regarding crossover cables: part of the spec for Gigabit Ethernet is that each transceiver needs to be auto-sensing. So, if you have at least one gigabit chip, any cat5 cable is as good as a crossover cable |
| 19:16.29 | jhutchins_wk | lopedra: One of the easiest way is to run ssh/sshd on each server. You can then copy files from one to the other using scp or rsync. |
| 19:16.55 | lopedra | jhutchins_wk: thank you but i have to mount hdd drives |
| 19:16.56 | peterS | and realistically, try buying a motherboard with an ethernet port on it in the past 4 years that is not gigabit.... |
| 19:17.11 | lopedra | *hd drives |
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| 19:17.11 | jhutchins_wk | lopedra: You can also set one of the systems to share a folder like a shared windows drive using either NFS or Samba. Samba will work with Linux, Windows, and OSX. |
| 19:17.50 | lopedra | jhutchins_wk: in this case mount is my best friend |
| 19:17.53 | jhutchins_wk | You can also serve the files with a web server like apache or ngnix. |
| 19:18.00 | nkuttler | graham1: you probably want two things for that, a torrent client and a normal web server. there's also the problem of preventing partial downloads.. |
| 19:18.16 | jhutchins_wk | lopedra: You can also run an FTP server, which is ok since the servers are not exposed to the internet. |
| 19:18.24 | peterS | somiaj: (of course I'm referring to 1000baseT. if you use fiber instead of copper, that's _not_ auto-sensing. But who uses fiber anyway.) |
| 19:18.52 | jhutchins_wk | lopedra: So it sounds like you want to use either samba or NFS. You should look at the documentation for each and see what would be best for you. |
| 19:19.16 | somiaj | lopedra: if you want to mount drives from one machine onto another you will need something like nfs or cifs |
| 19:19.16 | jhutchins_wk | lopedra: Samba seems to be easier for most people to set up, but niether is simple. |
| 19:19.19 | lopedra | at this moment i decide solve problem via crossover cable connection & and mount will |
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| 19:19.32 | jhutchins_wk | cifs being samba. |
| 19:19.38 | somiaj | peterS: ahh that is good to know. Problem with getting old is keeping up with the new technology. :D |
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| 19:19.47 | lopedra | somiaj: i read about cifs & and nfs it seems easy to use |
| 19:20.05 | lopedra | and i love linux more :) |
| 19:20.07 | somiaj | lopedra: yea I use cifs myself (samba) since I also have window machines on my network. |
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| 19:20.36 | graham1 | can somebody pm me and tell give me a step by step on how to setup a web gui for torrent client? along with a way of serving the files to my home computer |
| 19:20.45 | lopedra | just one more stupid question: how much speed crosover cables gives me ? |
| 19:20.49 | peterS | somiaj: heh, indeed. I was pretty happy to hear it. "Someday when everyone has gigabit chips, we can forget all about the straight vs. crossover cabling issues." And ... that time has pretty much come. |
| 19:21.05 | graham1 | ive installed rtorrent...now how do i use it? |
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| 19:21.16 | SiDz | graham1 rutorrent + ftpd |
| 19:21.27 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: Why a web gui? What are you trying to do? Either a CLI client with a GUI interface or a GUI Client. |
| 19:21.29 | SiDz | search google for debian rutorrent tutorial |
| 19:21.40 | lopedra | i loved somiaj |
| 19:21.42 | lopedra | too |
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| 19:21.50 | djshotglass | what is the approx size of a fresh install |
| 19:22.11 | somiaj | lopedra: crossover cable is just because older chips weren't smart enough to tell if they were connected to another ethernet card or a switch. As peterS mentioned it shouldn't be an issue if you have modern hardware. |
| 19:22.14 | colock | YES YES YES! |
| 19:22.15 | jhutchins_wk | djshotglass: Depends on the options you choose. It can be less than 4GB, but you have 30,000 packages available. |
| 19:22.36 | colock | so, into preseed early_command i've put wget | tar to download patched scripts :P |
| 19:22.36 | djshotglass | i mean the most minimal |
| 19:22.44 | colock | now it WORKS as expected |
| 19:22.48 | colock | no doc to update |
| 19:22.59 | graham1 | yes i know there are guides on google , but when guides include things like "apt-get install subversion build-essential automake libtool libcppunit-dev libcurl3-dev libsigc++-2.0-dev unzip unrar-free curl libncurses-dev" , how am i supposed to know thats not going to backdoor me? |
| 19:23.00 | colock | :) |
| 19:23.05 | ksuhku | djshotglass, without GUI? |
| 19:23.08 | graham1 | i want to understand what im doing |
| 19:23.18 | djshotglass | ksuhku yes |
| 19:23.30 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: Then read the docs. THis is not the place for an rtorrent tutorial. |
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| 19:23.44 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: I think if you read some documentation you'll be asking better questions as well. |
| 19:23.45 | djshotglass | minimal |
| 19:23.56 | ksuhku | djshotglass, I believe 3 gigs could be enough |
| 19:24.00 | jhutchins_wk | djshotglass: I think you can get that under 3G. |
| 19:24.36 | peterS | graham1: part of how to know you're not being backdoored is that 'apt-get install' only installs from known sources (in your /etc/apt/sources.list file). For Debian-based sources, which are the only ones in there by default, everything is cryptographically signed and verified, so nobody can inject stuff on us. unless you don't trust the Debian Project itself, of course. |
| 19:25.10 | graham1 | cool |
| 19:25.12 | graham1 | thats good to know |
| 19:25.13 | peterS | graham1: of course there's also the question "how do I know what all this software does that I'm being asked to install." That is where "apt-cache show packagename" comes in. |
| 19:25.20 | ksuhku | djshotglass, minimal has very different meaning to people |
| 19:26.16 | djshotglass | only what is needed for the system to run |
| 19:26.32 | jhutchins_wk | djshotglass: Yeah, I just built a server to test puppet on, it's 2.3G. |
| 19:26.59 | jhutchins_wk | (RHEL, but Linus is Linux) |
| 19:27.05 | ksuhku | djshotglass, which brings us to the definition of a system |
| 19:27.09 | peterS | Linus is not Linux! |
| 19:27.18 | ksuhku | GNU is not Unix! |
| 19:27.22 | jhutchins_wk | peterS: Sorry, Linux is Linux. |
| 19:27.25 | peterS | (: |
| 19:27.38 | djshotglass | ksuhku the only thing that needs to work is apt-get so you can install from there lol |
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| 19:27.48 | ksuhku | :) |
| 19:27.50 | jhutchins_wk | Using four different keyboards each day is a pain. |
| 19:27.59 | peterS | should we even ask |
| 19:28.29 | jhutchins_wk | djshotglass: debbootstrap installs a very small footprint. I think there's a minimal iso as well. |
| 19:28.55 | jhutchins_wk | djshotglass: What's your target? |
| 19:29.13 | jhutchins_wk | djshotglass: If you go to embdebian you'll probably find <2G installs. |
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| 19:30.22 | jhutchins_wk | djshotglass: dd-wrt uses 2.8G. |
| 19:30.45 | graham1 | navigating around this vps would be a hell of alot easier if there was some gui |
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| 19:31.08 | graham1 | i remember i used putty along time ago and there was a way of make a gui popup through the ssh |
| 19:31.21 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: No, not without an xserver. |
| 19:31.26 | thewanderer1 | my install takes 800MB with some tools (virt-manager, kvm) |
| 19:31.33 | graham1 | can i install an xserver? |
| 19:31.33 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: You might want to try installing mc. |
| 19:31.40 | graham1 | what is mc? |
| 19:31.47 | jhutchins_wk | graham1: tias |
| 19:31.51 | ompaul | graham1: mc is a rocking tool |
| 19:32.09 | ompaul | it's like norton commander circa 88 but built for a real o/s |
| 19:32.29 | peterS | jhutchins_wk: not quite true. or, rather, you can install a VNC-backed X server on the server and use VNC on the client |
| 19:32.35 | jhutchins_wk | Or like qdos, which norton ripped off. |
| 19:32.45 | graham1 | its a way of exploring files right? |
| 19:32.45 | peterS | jhutchins_wk: running a vnc client seems easier on windows boxes than running an X server directly |
| 19:33.01 | djshotglass | dd-wrt is like 2mb |
| 19:33.03 | djshotglass | lol |
| 19:33.11 | djshotglass | dd-wrt is debian? |
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| 19:34.02 | thewanderer1 | no, but openwrt is similar to Debian |
| 19:35.22 | rox | good evening |
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| 19:36.03 | rox | this used to be a lively channel, but nowadays, twice the people, a fifth the talk :-P |
| 19:36.36 | dvs | Shhh! They'll hear you. |
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| 19:37.17 | rox | hides behind a big tux doll in the nursery |
| 19:37.25 | karsten | I'm trying to figure out if my server(s) have HW RAID. |
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| 19:37.39 | peterS | time of day and time of week can both matter a lot, rox |
| 19:37.57 | karsten | mount shows sda partitions. dmidecode, lspci, and hwinfo don't seem to show anything positive. |
| 19:38.08 | ompaul | karsten: eh, open the box? on reboot does it take forever to check the raid? or is it remote |
| 19:38.19 | peterS | karsten: what sort of disk controller(s) does 'lspci' think you have? |
| 19:38.26 | ompaul | better question |
| 19:38.59 | peterS | lspci -nn | fgrep '[01' is probably what you're looking for |
| 19:39.17 | peterS | (various sorts of disk controllers all have classes in the 01xx range) |
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| 19:39.32 | graham1 | can i install xserver on my vps? |
| 19:40.05 | peterS | graham1: 'server' vs 'client' are a bit odd when it comes to X. the 'server' is what the apps send their graphics to, and get keyboard and mouse events back from |
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| 19:40.25 | peterS | graham1: so if you want to display a graphical app on your local system, you run an X "server" on the local system and your apps talk to it |
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| 19:40.50 | peterS | graham1: the other way is to install 'vnc4server' on the server, which is an X "server" that forwards to a VNC client on your local system. Then run a VNC client locally. |
| 19:41.08 | graham1 | fuck all that |
| 19:41.18 | graham1 | i cant find any decent guide that will work with a debian vps to get rutorrent working |
| 19:41.22 | karsten | ompaul: not feasible. Remote box. |
| 19:41.23 | graham1 | so im gonna go the easier route |
| 19:41.28 | karsten | peterS: 07:00.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1064ET PCI-Express Fusion-MPT SAS (rev 08) |
| 19:41.40 | peterS | karsten: I think those are all hardware raid, yeah |
| 19:42.12 | karsten | Yeah. And IIRC specifically this box is mirrored. I'm trying to recall what specifically I ran into during one of the boots on it. |
| 19:42.12 | graham1 | basically all i wanna do now is get a text based torrent client for debian squeeze, and then have an easssy way of serving those files to myself when im at home |
| 19:42.19 | graham1 | any recommendations to do that? |
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| 19:42.51 | peterS | karsten: can't say I _like_ those chips, mostly because the bios extension where you set up the raid is called "WebBIOS" and features Windows 3.1 style graphics |
| 19:43.12 | peterS | no animated gifs in the UI, but other than that, it's a trip back in time |
| 19:43.18 | peterS | give me text-based setups any day (: |
| 19:43.39 | karsten | Heh. |
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| 19:43.58 | karsten | peterS: Is there a debian management tool for that somewhere? I'm palying hardware forensics right now. |
| 19:44.05 | peterS | I ... may be slightly bitter, though. yesterday and today I've had to navigate one of those LSI RAID BIOS extensions without a mouse. While possible, it's ... clunky. |
| 19:44.09 | karsten | And I'll try to avoid asking about the RHEL/CentOS boxen here. |
| 19:44.20 | karsten | I STR the BIOS tools were all texty. |
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| 19:45.16 | peterS | karsten: hmmm. not sure whether the LSI chips can be managed from Linux. I mean probably yes, but I don't know off the top of my head if tools exist in Debian |
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| 19:45.29 | peterS | (the one I'm dealing with as we speak is a Windows server, so.) |
| 19:46.05 | peterS | karsten: 'apt-cache show mpt-status' looks slightly promising |
| 19:47.08 | karsten | peterS: Whaddya know. Some bonehead here installed that. |
| 19:50.00 | karsten | And I see two physical devices online. |
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| 19:50.55 | peterS | *nod*. guess it's in RAID mode then (as opposed to JBOD mode) |
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| 19:52.55 | karsten | Hrm. There's a /proc/mpt/ directory with some bits in it. |
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| 20:04.57 | r15 | Hi, I on squeeze my eth0 is not coming up automatically. |
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| 20:07.36 | r15 | network-manager service is running fine, also tried with restarting network-manager service. |
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| 20:33.04 | chasing`Sol | twobitsprite, by "continuously" you mean fixed intervals? it could be one of the cron jobs in /etc/cron.* |
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| 20:34.51 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite, it's true that NFS I/O is not shown in iotop - so far, I've found no good way to measure it, though |
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| 20:35.07 | twobitsprite | chasing`Sol: no, as in, non-stop |
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| 20:36.06 | thewanderer1 | twobitsprite, try nethogs - it should show you which program is using bandwidth, which can amount to the NFS traffic in your case |
| 20:36.07 | twobitsprite | and I don't have anything in my crons that would do that |
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| 20:37.36 | twobitsprite | I imagine NFS would just show up as kernel traffic... but I'll check it |
| 20:37.39 | twobitsprite | ..out |
| 20:38.44 | twobitsprite | yeah, just shows up as "root unknown TCP" |
| 20:39.17 | thewanderer1 | "unknown" sounds like NFS client |
| 20:39.37 | thewanderer1 | hmm, how about you go ptrace()ing processes around until you find one that does lots of I/O? |
| 20:39.49 | twobitsprite | yeah... but that doesn't help me because it's just PID 0 |
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| 20:40.30 | twobitsprite | that sounds like a royal pain :( |
| 20:41.50 | thewanderer1 | no better idea at this moment |
| 20:42.21 | thewanderer1 | usually, the process would stick out in top as having a higher-than-average load |
| 20:42.50 | thewanderer1 | check if there's anything constantly being in D state |
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| 21:05.32 | multifake | Hi - I have a problem with apt-get. It's actually a Ubuntu DomU, though installed with xentools on a Squeeze host. sources.list seems right, but it's only trying to get uncompressed "Packages", whereas there is only "Packages.gz" on the mirrors. Any ideas how apt-get update choses between both formats? |
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| 21:07.49 | muhoo | my x cut/pastes have suddenly gone bananas, for no reason i can figure out |
| 21:08.09 | muhoo | when i'd select stuff in rxvt, it used to show up in xset and xset -b. no more |
| 21:08.20 | muhoo | sorry, it used to show up in xset -b. no more. now it only shows up in xset |
| 21:08.28 | muhoo | xsel, good grief :-( |
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| 21:08.37 | multifake | It ends up with 404 messages trying to get the Packages file |
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| 21:09.38 | muhoo | anyway, what happened? the only thing i did is install a new, built-from-source version of emacs outside of the dfsg tree. was the debian patch of emacs doing something special, and regular emacs breaks x cutting? |
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| 21:10.14 | iamdgp | hello all, :-) |
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| 21:11.21 | youlysses | iamdgp: o/ |
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| 21:22.23 | sorrymyeng | Hello, how to install "Gnome Appearance" application? |
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| 21:23.19 | jordanm | ,file gnome-appearance-properties |
| 21:23.24 | judd | Search for gnome-appearance-properties in squeeze/i386: gnome-control-center: usr/bin/gnome-appearance-properties |
| 21:23.29 | webad_13 | was wondering about this: having debian side by side with android on N7 or any other device, would mplayer -ao work in general or there are other things to take into consideration? |
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| 21:31.27 | User_007 | Hello! i am using Debian embedded on a ARM DevKit. I am trying to make a new kernel, but no documentation is provided by manufacturer. Where can i get help about it? |
| 21:32.44 | User_007 | every new kernel i made i got the "kernel panic: no init found" error. |
| 21:33.18 | User_007 | is there an specific channel i can get help about it? |
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| 21:33.36 | jordanm | User_007: what is wrong with the debian provided kernel? |
| 21:34.18 | User_007 | since it's embedded arm, would it work on every debian card? |
| 21:34.28 | User_007 | jordanm: ^ |
| 21:35.04 | jordanm | User_007: I don't see why it wouldn't, did you try it? |
| 21:35.29 | User_007 | not really. where can i found the uImage? |
| 21:35.36 | webad_13 | User_007: on a different note, was just looking for an answer to this - are you able to push music from debian to the device nicely? Don't know if you have mplayer installed |
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| 21:37.40 | User_007 | webad_13: i don't know. |
| 21:37.52 | User_007 | jordanm: not really. where can i found the uImage? |
| 21:37.58 | webad_13 | ok, np |
| 21:37.59 | jordanm | User_007: looks like there are a couple different choices. linux-image-2.6-iop32x, ixp4xx and -kirkwood |
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| 21:38.27 | jordanm | !tell User_007 about emdebian |
| 21:38.49 | jordanm | User_007: I recommend the emdebian specific channel |
| 21:39.06 | User_007 | thanks |
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| 22:06.37 | nvz | notes that he still doesn't care if MentalAway is here or not |
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| 22:13.50 | [\rr] | good night. |
| 22:14.31 | [\rr] | currently i setup my internet connection to ipv6 |
| 22:15.48 | [\rr] | i am using google ipv6 dns service which is "2001:4860:4860::8888, 2001:4860:4860::8844" |
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| 22:16.09 | [\rr] | i can connect some websites, for example google.com |
| 22:16.22 | [\rr] | but i can not create connect yahoo.com |
| 22:16.42 | PhoenixSTF | maybe because google doesnt like yahoo? |
| 22:17.23 | [\rr] | it's a public dns service. it's not yoyo |
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| 22:18.19 | PhoenixSTF | sometimes the dns server might not be populated |
| 22:18.26 | PhoenixSTF | if its a newer one |
| 22:18.35 | PhoenixSTF | try a normal ipv4 |
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| 22:19.53 | [\rr] | PhoenixSTF: i am trying to forget ipv4 |
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| 22:20.18 | Stefania82 | Hi guys i'm a new user of debian, but i'm so poor, can you help me? please just click my photo http://4d687cf6.tinylinks.co |
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| 22:40.27 | caiap4_ | ois __file__ |
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| 23:19.32 | Dan39 | hmmmmm |
| 23:20.18 | Rygrass | Best way to create a startup script for something to boot up automatically when server restarted ?? |
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| 23:25.11 | gnarface | Rygrass: depends on what it is. the proper way is to make an init script but you can also just add commands directly to /etc/rc.local if you have the initscripts package installed |
| 23:25.25 | Rygrass | ah ok |
| 23:25.30 | Rygrass | just making a game server |
| 23:25.36 | Rygrass | and if some strange reason the server restarts |
| 23:25.43 | Kagee | How can i automate dpkg-reconfigure locales? I have added the desired locale to /etc/locale.gen and only want to generate the new locale. |
| 23:25.43 | Rygrass | and i not avaiable for like 24- 48 hours |
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| 23:27.05 | gnarface | Rygrass: well rc.local would do for that, but if you make a real init script then you can add shutdown, reload, restart, status and other such actions |
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| 23:27.20 | themill | Kagee: does not that file tell you the answer? |
| 23:27.25 | Rygrass | oh mean |
| 23:27.26 | Rygrass | thsanks |
| 23:27.29 | Raydiation | whats the state of selinux in wheezy? |
| 23:27.43 | Raydiation | fully supported? |
| 23:27.56 | Kagee | themill: indeed it does. |
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| 23:30.24 | Raydiation | also whats the state of http://selinuxproject.org/page/SVirt |
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| 23:50.52 | alexandros | i have problem with my sound , when i listen anything it's like the snow on tv ... |
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| 23:51.59 | alexandros | help please? |
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| 23:52.40 | alexandros | how can i change sound programm |
| 23:53.23 | Rygrass | give them time |
| 23:53.28 | Rygrass | people aren't watching this 24/7 |
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