| 00:00.39 | Diopter | Ephexeve: I thought Caffeine was an OSX app |
| 00:02.32 | Ephexeve | Diopter: Nah, I was using on Ubutnu around 3/2 years ago |
| 00:02.44 | Ephexeve | I checked their page and there is only a deb for ubuntu |
| 00:03.00 | Diopter | Ephexeve: Might just work for Debian. Often does. You could try it. |
| 00:03.00 | W4sp | Diopter: Ephexeve: Caffeine is a tool for Mac to prevent the power management to darken the screen. |
| 00:03.08 | Ephexeve | not working on debian, installing from source I get Python'r import error (not sure which lib they are using) |
| 00:03.13 | Diopter | W4sp: That's where I knew of it only, yes. |
| 00:03.18 | Ephexeve | Diopter: Did it, some errors |
| 00:03.28 | Ephexeve | of missing stuff, tried installing but also not in the repo |
| 00:03.30 | Diopter | Ephexeve: Ah, might be expecting a newer version of python. |
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| 00:03.43 | Diopter | You might have difficulty using it on Squeeze, but Wheezy might work. |
| 00:03.53 | Ephexeve | Diopter: Probably (as a python developer, I do not know which lib they are using) |
| 00:03.59 | W4sp | :-) I can't believe it. Good luck, Diopter, Ephexeve |
| 00:04.17 | Ephexeve | Diopter: yes, but since i use this comptuer for work, not sure if testing would be good for me |
| 00:04.27 | Ephexeve | W4sp: Cheers |
| 00:05.23 | aidalgol | Is there a news page for the Debian freeze? |
| 00:07.54 | gnarface | dpkg, freeze? |
| 00:07.54 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>. |
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| 00:08.43 | aidalgol | I already know what the freeze is, and when wheezy was frozen. I'm just curious about how far along the freeze is. |
| 00:09.01 | gnarface | aidalgol: i was hoping the bot would have a link somewhere |
| 00:09.14 | aidalgol | I suppose the devs' mailing list would be the place to look. |
| 00:09.16 | mmnicolas | aidalgol: To see how well it's going, I like to refer to this: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 00:09.16 | dvs | aidalgol: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 00:09.22 | dvs | he |
| 00:09.28 | Ephexeve | Diopter: adding a ubuntu repo to the sources from caffeine is a good idea? |
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| 00:09.35 | mmnicolas | dvs: You're my doppleganger |
| 00:09.39 | dvs | when that last number reaches zero, wheezy will be released |
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| 00:10.13 | Diopter | Ephexeve: Er... you said you use this computer for work, so, I'm going to go out on a limb and say "probably not even a little bit" |
| 00:10.43 | Ephexeve | Diopter: hehhee |
| 00:10.49 | Ephexeve | alright, cool, cheers buddy |
| 00:10.53 | aidalgol | Why is the slope really steep at the beginning of every year? |
| 00:11.39 | mmnicolas | aidalgol: Because there is a release, people get it, find new bugs |
| 00:12.04 | aidalgol | mmnicolas: So releases are always in January? |
| 00:12.32 | mmnicolas | no exactly IIRC |
| 00:12.52 | mmnicolas | but around this time |
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| 00:13.25 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i just noticed that my squeeze box is in the middle of this: [>....................] check = 0.1% (2020672/1614804413) finish=4780.0min speed=5622K/sec |
| 00:13.30 | fishsponge_ | this is from /proc/mdstat |
| 00:13.37 | fishsponge_ | why is it doing this all of a sudden? |
| 00:13.46 | Diopter | 5 megs a second, woo. Look at it go. |
| 00:13.51 | fishsponge_ | is it an automatic periodic thing? has it detected a problem? |
| 00:13.58 | ZenWalker | mmnicolas: thx |
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| 00:15.09 | fishsponge_ | well it's actually a virtual machine, and md0 *and* md1 are both being checked. I also have another VM which is also running a check... is this a period thing or do i have a problem? |
| 00:17.33 | Diopter | fishsponge_: You should probably check dmesg and syslog for more information about recent array events. |
| 00:18.00 | fishsponge_ | well, i just looked through cron, and found this: 57 0 * * 0 root if [ -x /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray ] && [ $(date +\%d) -le 7 ]; then /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --cron --all --idle --quiet; fi |
| 00:18.21 | fishsponge_ | having done a "ps -efww | grep resync", i can see that both processes started at 00:57, so it is clearly a monthly check! |
| 00:18.27 | Diopter | Woo |
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| 00:19.21 | fishsponge_ | indeed |
| 00:19.40 | fishsponge_ | trouble is, md1 is 1.5 TB, so it'll take a while! |
| 00:19.49 | Diopter | heh heh |
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| 00:20.06 | Diopter | The --idle is probably slowing down the check to have a very low priority |
| 00:20.08 | fishsponge_ | i guess it's burning in my new disks well though, at least |
| 00:20.44 | fishsponge_ | well, load average is 2.30 atm, so I assume 0.30 of it is normal processes. |
| 00:21.00 | fishsponge_ | is there a way to find out which processes are queued for CPU (hence the load average calculation)? |
| 00:21.15 | fishsponge_ | top is obviously a good guide, but is there a definitive way? |
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| 00:26.06 | pparadis | fishsponge_: if you're looking for different ways to look at cpu utlilization --> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-find-out-linux-cpu-utilization.html |
| 00:28.40 | Diopter | fishsponge_: iostat, vmstat, ss (sockstat), iotop, top, the sar or sysstat package/utilities |
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| 00:34.38 | Gargantua | Hey, if anyone here is using Squeeze and LXDE, would you mind tarring the default ./config/openbox LXDE drops in? |
| 00:35.40 | fishsponge_ | thanks pparadis & Diopter !! |
| 00:36.03 | fishsponge_ | iotop is a god-send!!!!! I love top and iftop, but never heard of iotop - the one thing i have always dreamed of! |
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| 00:36.24 | fishsponge_ | iotop isn't showing up the resync tasks though, strangely... |
| 00:36.26 | pparadis | fishsponge_: iotop iftop htop <-- three things in every debian instance i have. |
| 00:36.45 | aidalgol | fishsponge_: Take a look at htop, too, if you haven't already. |
| 00:37.27 | fishsponge_ | htop ? |
| 00:37.43 | Diopter | htop is Awesome. |
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| 00:37.57 | Gargantua | htop is pretty cool |
| 00:38.02 | fishsponge_ | ok, apt-getting it now... |
| 00:38.41 | fishsponge_ | ah... htop is lovely! |
| 00:38.55 | fishsponge_ | anyway... it's 01:38am here now... i really must go to bed! lol |
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| 00:39.56 | fishsponge_ | Diopter, you know you saw 5MB/s... things have sped up a little now... [>....................] check = 1.6% (26960896/1614804413) finish=439.6min speed=60195K/sec |
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| 00:40.30 | fishsponge_ | only got a pair of 7,200rpm drive, so can't expect too much better. the best i've ever seen from this pair of drives while resyncing was 80MB/s, which was pretty impressive IMHO |
| 00:40.48 | dashs | I am in the zugswang of 'stale NFS file handle' -- cannot force umount or any other strategy. |
| 00:41.14 | fishsponge_ | dashs, tried "umount -f /vol" i assume? |
| 00:41.33 | dashs | fishsponge: yes |
| 00:42.23 | dashs | I've never seen this work. I'll need to shutdown 4 other machines to reset it. |
| 00:42.28 | Gargantua | Why doesn't `dpkg --purge lxde-core openbox` get rid of ~/.config/openbox ? |
| 00:42.35 | fishsponge_ | dashs, can't help then i'm afraid... sorry! |
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| 00:42.49 | fishsponge_ | anyway... given the time, I must go to bed... cheers Diopter & pparadis :-) |
| 00:43.03 | dashs | And that's why Sun Microsystems is deceased. |
| 00:43.16 | Diopter | Gargantua: Because ~/.config/openbox wasn't created by the package. |
| 00:43.31 | Gargantua | It was though o_O |
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| 00:44.31 | Gargantua | Gah, can't someone just apt-get it and pastebin the config? |
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| 00:46.22 | Diopter | Gargantua: If it's not in dpkg -L openbox, then it's not likely to be removed by the postrm script in the package. |
| 00:46.40 | Diopter | Gargantua: And I am quite confident that your *user's* .config file isn't created by the package. |
| 00:48.09 | Gargantua | Diopter: I think it might've been LXDE. |
| 00:48.22 | Gargantua | gargantua@laptix:~/.config/openbox$ ls |
| 00:48.23 | Gargantua | lxde-rc.xml menu.xml rc.xml |
| 00:48.32 | Gargantua | I can assure you I did not create or copy "lxde-rc.xml" |
| 00:48.36 | Gargantua | Or the other ones. |
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| 00:49.33 | MrHatter | I have a lenny box i am trying to upgrade to squeeze, however apt is trying to resolve ftp.debian.org using ipv6. How do i fix this ? |
| 00:49.41 | Diopter | Gargantua: I understand you did not manually create those files, but just because the program installed by a package creates files doesn't mean the package manager knows how to remove them later. |
| 00:49.54 | sney | !tell MrHatter about noipv6 |
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| 00:50.08 | Diopter | Gargantua: apt-get purge just purges ancillary files that are part of the *package* installation. Not the running of any programs in the package. |
| 00:50.17 | Diopter | You're going to have to clean ~ yourself. |
| 00:50.46 | Gargantua | Diopter: true. |
| 00:50.47 | Gargantua | You're saying it might've created them after I ran it, and apt has no way of knowing that. |
| 00:50.52 | Diopter | Bingo |
| 00:50.59 | Gargantua | Fair enough. |
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| 00:51.10 | Diopter | I'm also saying it Had to, because I don't know of a single package that assumes which user is going to use it, and drops files in their $HOME/.config |
| 00:51.10 | Gargantua | The problem is that I messed around rc.xml without backing it up first... |
| 00:51.12 | Diopter | Or anywhere else :P |
| 00:51.26 | Diopter | Well, maybe try moving it out of the way and restarting openbox? |
| 00:51.32 | Gargantua | I did. |
| 00:51.36 | Diopter | Mm |
| 00:51.43 | Gargantua | Well... i didn't try to run lxde |
| 00:51.47 | Gargantua | Just openbox. |
| 00:51.58 | Gargantua | I'll try it now, thanks. |
| 00:52.13 | Diopter | Gargantua: Looks like the openbox package drops a.... |
| 00:52.20 | Diopter | Or... you can leave. |
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| 00:56.09 | MrHatter | sney: thx |
| 00:57.36 | dshep | is 3d better supported on i386 versus amd64? |
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| 01:04.04 | somiaj | That would probabaly be more application specific. For many things it shouldn't matter. |
| 01:04.17 | MrHatter | i have disabled ipv6 now, apt is saying thing : - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP: 2001:610:1908:b000::148:12 80] |
| 01:04.36 | MrHatter | apt is still trying to resolve using ipv6 ? |
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| 01:07.13 | simonlnu | yes, if you have an ipv6 route it'll try. the whole system will. double check it is actually disabled. |
| 01:07.22 | simonlnu | !noipv6 |
| 01:07.22 | dpkg | From Debian Squeeze/6.0 onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 01:08.27 | zro | how can i determine what repo an update is slated to come from ? like if at-get upgrade says packageX will be installed, how can i tell if its from say backports or not ? |
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| 01:09.42 | dvs | zro: apt-cache policy <package_name> |
| 01:09.42 | simonlnu | apt-cache policy foo |
| 01:09.49 | zro | ah policy! |
| 01:09.51 | simonlnu | dvs: :) |
| 01:09.54 | dvs | simonlnu: jinx! |
| 01:09.58 | zro | thats it, geeze brain freeze thanks |
| 01:10.03 | simonlnu | haha :) |
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| 01:12.15 | zro | how about if something is being held back (even if I do sit-upgrade) is that because of a conflict? how can i get information on that conflict? |
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| 01:13.25 | dvs | zro: aptitude will tell you why a package cannot be upgraded when you try to upgrade it. |
| 01:14.36 | J_Rey | zro, aptitude shows alternate versions & sources at the bottom of the pkg description |
| 01:15.32 | J_Rey | for Synaptic you right click the package and then Properties then Versions for versions & sources |
| 01:15.43 | MrHatter | wow, apt works now. it was an iptables issue not allowing port 80 out, during the upgrade i inadvertently enabled shorewall. |
| 01:16.00 | MrHatter | ipv6 apt error = red herring. |
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| 01:16.57 | J_Rey | heh IPv6 has always worked fine for me but I haven't messed with shorewall either though |
| 01:17.21 | MrHatter | the apt errors were not resolving ipv6 addresses for the apt sources. |
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| 01:18.39 | J_Rey | I wouldn't suspect the sources but rather start with making sure resolving IPv6-enabled domains work fine on its own |
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| 01:38.46 | Aenigma | hi, so i installed thttpd on squeeze and when i run the init script it doesn't give me any output. i looked in the init script and there's a line that checks if it's "enabled". Looks like if [ "x$ENABLED" != "xyes" ] where is this set? it's not in the init script itself |
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| 01:40.38 | sney | Aenigma: likely in /etc/default/thttpd |
| 01:41.15 | Aenigma | sney: yeaahhh i figured it out now. thanks :3 |
| 01:43.31 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.47 | J_Rey | this is starting to be more of a hassle then I thought :-| |
| 01:47.09 | nsadmin2 | Aenigma, does it start now? |
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| 01:49.19 | Aenigma | nsadmin2: yes, it does. i just switched the ENABLED to "yes". i wonder why the test checks for "x$ENABLED" != "xyes" though |
| 01:51.03 | nsadmin2 | Aenigma, well say it didn't use quotes, meaning it read [ x$EN != xyes ] |
| 01:51.52 | ManoftheSea | the x makes it a string comparison, even if ENABLED isn't defined. |
| 01:51.55 | nsadmin2 | if it didn't have the x on the variable side, then it would look like [ != xyes ] and != would say "not enough arguments" |
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| 01:55.06 | nsadmin2 | this doesn't make much sense to me (not intuitive), but the man page for test (or [ ]) says != is a string comparison always |
| 01:55.50 | nsadmin2 | integer comparisons use -eq, -ne, -gt, etc |
| 01:57.41 | nsadmin2 | ManoftheSea, I can't understand why they would do that |
| 01:58.56 | nsadmin2 | test 00 != 0 && echo yes |
| 01:59.10 | nsadmin2 | it's a string compare. |
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| 02:03.31 | jvelasquez | how could I find out which packages depend on libxml2 ? |
| 02:04.30 | nsadmin2 | jvelasquez you need reverse depends |
| 02:04.36 | nsadmin2 | I forget what does that |
| 02:05.55 | nsadmin2 | , rdepends libxml2 |
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| 02:09.18 | jvelasquez | nsadmin2, thanks. wow, the list of dependancies is so long. |
| 02:09.43 | adrakoa | hello |
| 02:09.51 | jvelasquez | nsadmin2, err, dependants rather. definantly must upgrade this one. |
| 02:12.04 | jvelasquez | apt-rdepends -r libxml2 -p | grep "\[Ins" |
| 02:12.07 | jvelasquez | I guess that |
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| 02:12.18 | jvelasquez | that's a command that I must begin to use more often. |
| 02:13.25 | jvelasquez | does this channel have any affiliation with the channel on OFTC? |
| 02:14.09 | nsadmin2 | dpkg is the same |
| 02:14.09 | dpkg | nsadmin2: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:14.19 | nsadmin2 | it is a pronoun |
| 02:14.58 | jvelasquez | nsadmin2, so I don't have to feel guilty for chatting in here instead of OFTC? |
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| 02:16.09 | nsadmin2 | what has you ask that? you can choose how to feel... there is no such thing as "have to feel" guilty |
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| 02:16.36 | nsadmin2 | of course,you do have to do work to gain that kind of control |
| 02:18.45 | jvelasquez | i feel that debian deserves loyalty; mine anyway. |
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| 02:27.36 | chaddy | agreed, jvelasquez |
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| 02:31.34 | iluminator105 | has anyone hard debricked a linksys wrt54g? |
| 02:36.20 | MrHatter | i have a problem on a lenny-> squeeze upgrade : at the end of 'apt-get upgrade' i am getting this : dpkg: regarding .../ncurses-base_5.7+20100313-5_all.deb containing ncurses-base: |
| 02:36.20 | MrHatter | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.46 | simonlnu | iluminator105: try on ##hardware |
| 02:37.08 | simonlnu | MrHatter: update dpkg first |
| 02:37.28 | pparadis | yepper, things to update first include dpkg and aptitude |
| 02:38.14 | pparadis | actually, i'd do "apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude" as the first thing after modifying sources.list and doing apt-get update. |
| 02:39.13 | MrHatter | simonlnu, pparadis, thx i will try this |
| 02:40.35 | MrHatter | now i have this problem : dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc-bin_2.11.3-3_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:40.55 | pparadis | MrHatter: what exactly did you do already, step by step? |
| 02:42.51 | WebDawg | xen-resize-guest is missing from xen tools? |
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| 02:44.14 | MrHatter | pparadis: i have been following the debian.org guide. change sources to squeeze, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade. then came the ncurses problem, after which i tried apt-get instal dpkg, same ncurses problem, then apt-get install apt dpkg. same ncurses problem, then your suggestion: apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude' |
| 02:45.01 | WebDawg | Anyone know why? |
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| 02:59.01 | chaddy | WebDawg: perhaps in xen-utils? |
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| 03:08.36 | MrHatter | i didnt notice befor that i was still on kernel 2.6.18 on this lenny box. now i have gone down the path of the lenny -> squeeze upgrade, is it safe to try a kernel upgrade ? |
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| 03:09.26 | dvs | MrHatter: According to the upgrade instructions, the kernel and udev should have been the first things to upgrade |
| 03:11.02 | MrHatter | dvs, no the first thing is apt-get upgrade, then the kernel and udev |
| 03:11.16 | MrHatter | after changing the sources to squeeze |
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| 03:11.26 | dvs | Well, I knew it's one of the first things. |
| 03:11.58 | MrHatter | yes, mine barfed after the minimal system upgrade, i assume because of the old kernel. |
| 03:14.29 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin2: I meant a string compare as opposed to a compare vs nothing. |
| 03:14.45 | ManoftheSea | but yes, the quotations do that too |
| 03:15.00 | ManoftheSea | so it's "double safe"? |
| 03:15.26 | nsadmin2 | ManoftheSea, oh, yes that's true... yes, they did both when they could have done one and still beenn safe |
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| 03:16.34 | nsadmin2 | they weren't making it a numeric comparison as would have been implied by the c operator of the same name |
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| 03:19.51 | Flynn | hey how do i get korean font in debian |
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| 03:25.20 | sney | Flynn: unfonts. |
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| 03:41.13 | dizzylizzy | how unfeasible would it be for all servers and computers to have public keys used for encryption of transported data to match private keys on those systems |
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| 03:41.27 | dizzylizzy | i mean client/host over http |
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| 03:45.02 | paste | dizzylizzy: whats wrong with ssl? |
| 03:46.53 | dlynes | Flynn, unifont and ttf-alee (free Hangul TrueType fonts) |
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| 03:49.06 | joules | alot actually nvm. |
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| 04:07.03 | KsM | So apparently if I hold down shift for too long or some other ctrl/alt combinations for a period of time, sticky keys/bounce keys/slow keys get enabled in XFCE and it bugs up a bit when trying to turn them off from in the settings |
| 04:07.12 | KsM | how do I just disable it entirely? |
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| 04:12.33 | e-lectronaute | shutdown -h now |
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| 04:12.41 | dvs | heh |
| 04:12.43 | e-lectronaute | sorry |
| 04:12.46 | pparadis | nice |
| 04:12.56 | dvs | but I'm still here! |
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| 04:43.26 | gry | hi |
| 04:44.21 | bfig | hello, i'm having trouble with my mic. i'm trying to use skype in debian wheezy 64 and it isn't working |
| 04:44.22 | bfig | <bfig> i installed the 32 bit alsa lib, then it worked for some time, and now it is not working again (but i haven't uninstalled the 32 bit libs ) |
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| 04:45.01 | DSB1 | bfig : do you use alsa or pulseaudio? |
| 04:45.24 | bfig | the other day i came over here and asked about this problem and then i left - i was in the middle of a to-be job interview through skype (if i could only get the mic going), so sorry if anyone actually tried to answer it back then, i had to rush for other pc with skype |
| 04:45.29 | bfig | DSB1, alsa |
| 04:45.55 | DSB1 | what do you have in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ? |
| 04:46.04 | DSB1 | hmm |
| 04:46.04 | DSB1 | wait |
| 04:46.05 | bfig | checks |
| 04:46.09 | DSB1 | this is for the speakers |
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| 04:46.49 | DSB1 | what kind of connection? usb/stereo? |
| 04:47.21 | bfig | http://hpaste.org/72635 |
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| 04:47.37 | bfig | the on board mic |
| 04:48.11 | DSB1 | ah a laptop |
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| 04:48.31 | DSB1 | your sound card does not seems to be specified in there |
| 04:49.00 | DSB1 | I have this : |
| 04:49.04 | DSB1 | options snd-hda-intel model=ACL892 index=0 |
| 04:49.04 | DSB1 | options snd-usb-audio index=1 |
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| 04:49.23 | DSB1 | whis is respectively my sound card and my usb headset |
| 04:49.42 | bfig | i don't knwo what this means |
| 04:49.51 | DSB1 | maybe add your sounda card in there and restart alsa |
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| 04:54.22 | walkerneo | anyone on? |
| 04:54.32 | DSB1 | nope |
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| 04:55.27 | walkerneo | hello |
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| 06:01.18 | DSB1 | hi everyone, I have a problem with all my usb devices on reboot (keyboard,mouse,headset) none of them works, unplugging and replugging the devices make all of them detected again but I would like to fix this issue |
| 06:01.30 | DSB1 | any help would be greatly appreciated |
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| 06:08.30 | streuner | DSB1: cat /proc/version |
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| 06:09.25 | streuner | DSB1: and, does it work in Knoppix? |
| 06:09.32 | DSB1 | Linux version 2.6.32-5-amd64 (Debian 2.6.32-38) (ben@decadent.org.uk) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Mon Oct 3 03:59:20 UTC 2011 |
| 06:09.41 | DSB1 | did not try knoopix |
| 06:11.33 | DSB1 | streuner : if you can explain me the link with knoopix, it may/may not lead me in the right direction |
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| 06:11.55 | streuner | DSB1: /msg dpkg knoppix |
| 06:12.40 | DSB1 | I run debian |
| 06:12.55 | DSB1 | why would I message knoppix? |
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| 06:13.29 | streuner | DSB1: no, you message dpkg (bot) in order to get a message :-) |
| 06:13.49 | streuner | dpkg, tell DSB1 about knoppix |
| 06:14.00 | streuner | and just read it :-) |
| 06:14.17 | DSB1 | I know knoppix |
| 06:14.21 | DSB1 | used it before |
| 06:14.30 | streuner | "useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware..." |
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| 06:14.47 | DSB1 | ah |
| 06:14.53 | DSB1 | may give it a try |
| 06:15.10 | DSB1 | i put lsusb in my /etc/rc.local |
| 06:15.21 | DSB1 | may force the refreshing of devices |
| 06:15.26 | DSB1 | will reboot and update :) |
| 06:15.39 | DSB1 | thanks for the knoopix idea |
| 06:15.46 | DSB1 | will test |
| 06:15.51 | streuner | lsusb will refresh USB? |
| 06:16.13 | DSB1 | not refresh but list |
| 06:16.25 | DSB1 | might make the os aware |
| 06:16.30 | DSB1 | I have no idea |
| 06:16.39 | DSB1 | they are detected fine on re-plug |
| 06:16.56 | DSB1 | but not on boot |
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| 06:37.38 | Mohsen_Hassani | While installing net Debian I did nothing to the /home partition; and as usual I mounted it using /etc/fstab. |
| 06:38.03 | Mohsen_Hassani | It shows that about 50 G space is occupied, but I don't see the files |
| 06:38.15 | Mohsen_Hassani | It's not hidden either |
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| 07:16.58 | webbl_ | how can i corectly interpret the free command? i want to know actually how many physical mem is free. |
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| 07:19.20 | forresth | webbl, I usually look at the -/+ buffers/cache row under the free column (usually execute "free -m" for readability). Not sure if I'm correct in assuming that that's the actual amount of RAM free to new applications but it seems right. |
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| 07:21.50 | webbl_ | i see. thanks. |
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| 07:34.23 | forresth | Having an issue getting VirtualBox PUEL 4.1 configured properly on my debian squeeze box. Every time I restart, I have to reinstall the kernel modules with /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup. If I don't run that command and try to start a VM (Ubuntu Server x64 in this case), it throws "One of the kernel modules was not successfully loaded. Make sure that no kernel modules from another older version of VirtualBox exist. Then try to recompile and reload the kernel m |
| 07:34.54 | Calinou | "PUEL"? |
| 07:35.08 | forresth | Personal Use and Evaluation License |
| 07:35.16 | forresth | The non-OSE version. |
| 07:35.37 | forresth | I'm using the one where you go to the virtualbox website and add the repo from there. |
| 07:35.51 | Calinou | meh, didn't even have to know what's a kernel module to install wheezy over virtualbox, so I can't really help |
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| 07:37.22 | s3trio | Hmm... |
| 07:37.39 | s3trio | I'll keep hackin' at it. |
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| 07:42.46 | UltraMC | Anyone know how Damn Small Lunux is different from Debian Squeeze (and not asking the size) |
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| 07:43.30 | AimHere | Well with a name like Damn Small Linux, presumably it'll use busybox instead of GNU coreutils |
| 07:44.06 | UltraMC | AimHere, WHAT? In English please |
| 07:44.06 | AimHere | checks the package list and finds out he's wrong |
| 07:44.23 | UltraMC | It uses Debian |
| 07:44.33 | UltraMC | but its "light" - trying to know wh |
| 07:44.36 | UltraMC | why* |
| 07:44.49 | UltraMC | Debian with GNOME is 1,1GB while KDE is only 50MB |
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| 07:45.18 | AimHere | DSL doesn't use KDE |
| 07:45.31 | UltraMC | um |
| 07:45.37 | AimHere | It gives you a choice of icewm or fluxbox or maybe one or other small window managers |
| 07:45.44 | UltraMC | KDE - I ment DSL |
| 07:45.45 | UltraMC | sorry! |
| 07:45.46 | AimHere | http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/packages.html |
| 07:45.56 | UltraMC | Debian + GNOME 1,1GB, DSL 50MB |
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| 07:46.03 | AimHere | But yeah, not having GNOME or KDE is a good start at chopping it down |
| 07:46.10 | UltraMC | hehehe |
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| 07:46.51 | AimHere | Looks like what they've done is just taken out things they don't need or found much smaller replacements; maybe they even run DSL off a compressed partition |
| 07:46.59 | AimHere | The way Knoppix does |
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| 07:47.24 | UltraMC | AimHere, Its BASED on Knoppix |
| 07:48.04 | webbl_ | does the cached column in the free command output mean the memory is going to be used as cache but not occupied? |
| 07:48.14 | webbl_ | so it is still free for used? |
| 07:48.26 | Dan39 | DSL has been around for long time |
| 07:48.38 | Dan39 | thats the first distro i ever actually used |
| 07:48.49 | UltraMC | I want a desktop OS and cant decide to go Debian Squeeze or DSL |
| 07:48.58 | Dan39 | why would you go DSL for desktop |
| 07:49.02 | AimHere | DSL is currently stalled, developmentwise |
| 07:49.03 | s3trio | What are your hardware specs? |
| 07:49.08 | UltraMC | Why not? |
| 07:49.10 | AimHere | Last release was 2008 |
| 07:49.20 | AimHere | Though WIkipedia says it's started up again |
| 07:49.50 | UltraMC | Intel Duo Core 2,66G 2G RAM Dedic nVidia 512M |
| 07:49.59 | Dan39 | dam i remember making DSL livecd like 7 or so yeras ago <_< |
| 07:50.08 | UltraMC | <_< |
| 07:50.15 | Dan39 | then i installed debian :D |
| 07:50.23 | Dan39 | and went all out fancy |
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| 07:50.26 | UltraMC | they are nto releasing new versions, coz they say why if its working |
| 07:50.32 | Dan39 | haha |
| 07:50.38 | Dan39 | lame excuse |
| 07:50.40 | Dan39 | new hardware :P |
| 07:50.46 | UltraMC | kekeke |
| 07:51.01 | UltraMC | yeah so its another small cool distro died? |
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| 07:51.19 | Dan39 | it probably still works fine for most things |
| 07:51.29 | Dan39 | im surprised |
| 07:51.36 | UltraMC | surprised? :P |
| 07:51.37 | Dan39 | i thought DSL was one of the most popular ones |
| 07:51.47 | UltraMC | isint it? |
| 07:51.53 | Dan39 | i dunno |
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| 07:55.26 | UltraMC | so |
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| 08:09.00 | Aiwass | how can I install 6x10 font? in what package can I find it? |
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| 08:17.56 | jelly-home | Aiwass: xfonts-base |
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| 08:18.48 | jelly-home | grep 6x10 /etc/X11/fonts/*/* # works when it's already there |
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| 08:21.29 | alexey_knyshev | Hi all! I have a problem with building deb package. I have downloaded upstream tarball & unpacked it. After that I have run dh_make in source root (find . of source root: http://pastebin.com/4RnLVqsU)... All were going good and I edited debian/{rules: http://pastebin.com/NgkbzHSh |copyright|control: http://pastebin.com/UBCiYkP0} in appropriate way... So... all compiles successfully, but i have "empty" packages (yes-yes, I don't copy build contents ( |
| 08:21.31 | alexey_knyshev | from ./lib) to ./debian/log4qt... But I don't know how to do it in another way... Something like automatic copying contents of fake root /usr/lib or something else... |
| 08:22.11 | alexey_knyshev | P.S I is my first experience in building debs |
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| 08:24.47 | rue_shop | how do I remove the -nolisten option from Xs startup!? |
| 08:24.56 | rue_shop | apt nolisten |
| 08:24.56 | apt | ask me about 'sshx'. No, really. What, you're still reading this? You're connecting to a legacy piece of software that doesn't have sshd on it? OK, then remove the "-nolisten tcp" from your X invocation and then read "man xhost". |
| 08:25.19 | rue_shop | HOW!? |
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| 08:26.18 | alexey_knyshev | Need help with packaging non-binary deb |
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| 08:26.39 | rue_shop | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.52 | rue_shop | how DO I remove nolisten I dont know where its comming from |
| 08:26.53 | jelly-home | rue_shop: i don't know, but the first thing I'd do was search of it under /etc/X11 |
| 08:27.00 | rue_shop | I did |
| 08:27.03 | rue_shop | nothing there |
| 08:27.07 | jelly-home | or, in your case, under gdm3 config |
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| 08:28.23 | rue_shop | cd /etc/; grep -R nolisten * returns nothing |
| 08:29.08 | jelly-home | you might want to replace that * with a . |
| 08:29.11 | Aiwass | jelly-home: yes, I have them |
| 08:29.13 | Aiwass | thanks |
| 08:29.41 | rue_shop | nope, no matches |
| 08:29.51 | rue_shop | no files contain the word 'nolisten' |
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| 08:32.03 | jelly-home | you'll have to figure out how gdm3 is configured, then |
| 08:32.55 | LordShiva | I have problem with wget when I give it a wget -qci <input file with addresses> I run out of memory fast |
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| 08:35.04 | LordShiva | I mean wget on mymachine when run in continuous mode just eat memory enormously if I'm downloading images or text files from that input file i get ram usage by wget around 3 GB in less than 10 minutes |
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| 08:35.22 | jelly-home | LordShiva: is the input file exceptionally large? |
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| 08:36.47 | LordShiva | Deppend from download when it is large list download like 300 then it have 300 lines of http addresses in it |
| 08:36.54 | muhoo | if i run a single-core machine (like an atom) in hyperthreading mode, it *looks* like 2 cores to linux, but is it really twice as fast? |
| 08:37.07 | LordShiva | Butit eat memory and when is 50 lines only in input file |
| 08:37.21 | LordShiva | Just less than when its 300 |
| 08:38.04 | jelly-home | 300 lines isn't much |
| 08:38.11 | jelly-home | I was thinking more like millions |
| 08:38.23 | LordShiva | And amount of data it downloads on disk is less than 80 mb |
| 08:38.36 | jelly-home | LordShiva: which debian release and architecture and version of wget package? |
| 08:38.49 | LordShiva | For 80 mb it eat memory 3gb something is wrong there |
| 08:39.09 | LordShiva | debian wheezy |
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| 08:42.13 | LordShiva | here is the paste bin of wget --version http://pastebin.com/ehMPuPSZ |
| 08:42.41 | LordShiva | It have something like largefile ? |
| 08:44.17 | jelly-home | LordShiva: "dpkg --print-architecture", "dpkg -l dpkg libc6 wget |tail -n 3" |
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| 08:46.01 | jelly-home | muhoo: some applications benefit from hyperthreading enabled, some don't. You might get anywhere from nothing to significant (say 50%) improvements |
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| 08:46.17 | drigollier | hi all |
| 08:46.19 | jelly-home | muhoo: typically not twice as fast. |
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| 08:49.07 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/nqtBdFU8 |
| 08:49.15 | LordShiva | They are all from wheezy |
| 08:49.28 | LordShiva | architecture amd64 |
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| 08:54.02 | jelly-home | yeah, look like standard wget from the distro |
| 08:54.17 | jelly-home | LordShiva: what about ldd `which wget` ? |
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| 08:56.16 | LordShiva | here it is jelly-home http://pastebin.com/DCeNxXFk |
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| 08:57.02 | jelly-home | looks legit. File a bug. |
| 08:57.22 | LordShiva | ok |
| 08:58.38 | sevenfourk | Hello you guys! Anyone experiencing flashplugin hanging on 1080p videos on youtube using firefox 10.0.6? |
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| 09:27.17 | musicmatze | Hi there. I have a question about lastfm scrobbling with mpd+lastfmsubmitd+lastmp from wheezy running on my raspberry pi, am I in the right channel for this? |
| 09:28.03 | Qualia | i dont think so |
| 09:28.21 | musicmatze | can you tell me a channel where i can ask? |
| 09:28.36 | Calinou | facepalms for raspi |
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| 09:28.57 | musicmatze | -.-' |
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| 09:31.42 | gnarface | what a shame |
| 09:31.44 | gnarface | right channel too |
| 09:31.46 | gnarface | sorta |
| 09:31.50 | Calinou | ofc |
| 09:31.58 | gnarface | probably better off on debian-arm |
| 09:32.07 | gnarface | or debian-next |
| 09:32.10 | gnarface | (since wheezy) |
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| 09:33.51 | syssi | musicmatze: just ask your question. :-) |
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| 09:34.20 | gnarface | syssi: too late he's gone, Qualia scared him off |
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| 09:34.49 | gnarface | Calinou: you didn't help |
| 09:35.10 | gnarface | lastfm is a commercial product as far as i know |
| 09:35.12 | Calinou | yep. |
| 09:35.20 | gnarface | but general debian support does go here |
| 09:35.28 | gnarface | you didn't get enough info from him to find out what the actual problem was |
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| 09:36.11 | gnarface | additionally #debian-next on oftc (for wheezy-specific issues) and #debian-arm on the same (for armel-specific issues) might have been helpful places to point him to |
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| 09:37.30 | gnarface | next time get them to actually ask the question before you assume one way or another |
| 09:37.32 | gnarface | !ask |
| 09:37.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:37.58 | gnarface | "i have a problem on last.fm with scrobbling" isn't a question |
| 09:38.05 | gnarface | follow me? |
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| 09:41.32 | gnarface | who Calinou |
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| 09:48.30 | PIArKid | good morning |
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| 09:48.49 | blackshirt | good afternoon |
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| 09:49.39 | PIArKid | just waiting for someone to say good evening now |
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| 09:51.00 | blackshirt | no... We are located on different location, and on differenct time |
| 09:51.43 | PIArKid | yes, I am aware of that. that's why I was expecting someone else in a different part of the world / different time zone to say "good evening" :) |
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| 09:52.48 | blackshirt | may be you want say that :d |
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| 09:57.33 | nsadmin2 | PIArKid. why not good $localtime |
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| 09:58.59 | helmut | hi. I am looking for a rss reader usable from multiple computers. basically the only real requirement is self-hosting. obvious options: tt-rss (experimental only), yocto-reader (missing data store, project dead). do you know any other working solutions? |
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| 10:03.26 | protist | PIArKid: good evening |
| 10:03.33 | protist | PIArKid: 10pm here |
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| 10:03.52 | PIArKid | I am running Debian Squeeze and have python 2.6.6 (squeeze) and would like to upgrade it to python 2.7.3 (wheezy) because a program I'm trying to run requires a newer version. Would it be possible to do this without breaking lots of things or would I have to do a complete dist-upgrade to wheezy? |
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| 10:04.01 | PIArKid | protist: :) |
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| 10:04.18 | themill | PIArKid: in what way does it need a newer python? |
| 10:04.39 | nsadmin2 | PIArKid, it should be trivial to alter just the pieces that need python 2.6 |
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| 10:04.58 | Calinou | backports, PIArKid |
| 10:05.08 | PIArKid | the program I'm trying to run crashes and I know that it was developed using python 2.7.3, so I'd like to try upgrading that to resolve the problem |
| 10:05.10 | Calinou | or what the above guy said |
| 10:05.17 | themill | Calinou: perhaps you could explain in enough detail to be useful |
| 10:05.35 | Calinou | every single debian user figures stuff out by themselves, 99% of the time |
| 10:05.53 | themill | Calinou: backporting python is an incredibly bad idea. |
| 10:06.36 | themill | PIArKid: you could try a wheezy chroot into which you could install python2.7 or alternatively upgrade to wheezy. But really, the differences between python 2.6 and 2.7 are rarely enough to make a difference |
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| 10:07.56 | nsadmin2 | , versions python2.7 |
| 10:07.58 | judd | Package: python2.7 on i386 -- wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-2.1; sid: 2.7.3-2 |
| 10:08.21 | PIArKid | why is back porting python an incredibly bad idea? is wheezy reasonably stable at the moment? my knowledge of debian / linux is intermediate at best, that's why I've stuck with the stable release up until now |
| 10:08.26 | nsadmin2 | not in backports, so he'd hve to backport himself |
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| 10:08.35 | Calinou | it's not in backports.. |
| 10:08.39 | PIArKid | I see |
| 10:08.50 | themill | nsadmin2: [11:05] <themill> Calinou: backporting python is an incredibly bad idea. |
| 10:08.51 | nsadmin2 | PIArKid, python is used in the packaging system |
| 10:08.51 | Calinou | PIArKid, I have quite low knowledge of linux/debian yet I use testing :P |
| 10:09.04 | Calinou | runs away with a bicycle |
| 10:09.19 | PIArKid | I see |
| 10:09.24 | nsadmin2 | themill, could you explain that sufficiently to be useful? |
| 10:09.25 | themill | PIArKid: is this on a server or a desktop or ... |
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| 10:09.52 | PIArKid | desktop machine, wouldn't be the end of the world if I had to perform a reinstall of stable :) |
| 10:09.53 | themill | nsadmin2: a python transition requires rebuilding several hundred packages |
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| 10:10.03 | nsadmin2 | that would do it |
| 10:10.09 | nsadmin2 | thanks |
| 10:10.33 | Calinou | PIArKid, or you could install testing, that works too |
| 10:10.43 | Calinou | (it's not *that* broken) |
| 10:11.05 | PIArKid | that's what I'm saying. I could try upgrading to testing and if it goes wrong it wouldn't be the end of the world having to reinstall stable |
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| 10:28.22 | yareckon | hi guys, I built a live cd image using the live cd image builder service, and I have checked debian-installer = true |
| 10:28.40 | yareckon | but I still havent been able to find how to install when booted from that disk |
| 10:28.43 | yareckon | any pointers? |
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| 10:34.31 | _droid | hi people, i have been trying to set up a vsftpd server onto my latest debian and when trying to connect with filezilla to the server i get the following error message: |
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| 10:35.08 | _droid | Status: Connecting to 192.168.1.10:20... |
| 10:35.08 | _droid | Status: Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server". |
| 10:35.08 | _droid | Error: Could not connect to server my current configuration is the following http://pastebin.com/225ZGcgP |
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| 10:36.09 | UltraMC | why "d if=~/Pulpit/debian-live-6.0.4-i386-gnome-desktop.iso of=/media/pendrive bs=4M; sync" outputs: "dd: opening `/media/pendrive': Is a directory" when I want to burn ISO on pendrive? |
| 10:36.19 | _droid | i only want a public folder on the ftp so that someone can log onto it with an anonymous account and write into the folder |
| 10:36.29 | UltraMC | *its dd |
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| 10:36.53 | yareckon | UltraMC, you have the pendrive mounted |
| 10:37.02 | jelly-home | _droid: is there a NAT or a firewall between your client and the ftp server? |
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| 10:37.19 | UltraMC | yareckon, yes I do, its mointed in of= location |
| 10:37.38 | UltraMC | its formated in unix (ex4 i think) and I have ownership |
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| 10:38.09 | yareckon | I think you want to unmount it and hit the pendrive by its sdX number |
| 10:38.18 | yareckon | like /dev/sdc |
| 10:38.25 | UltraMC | yareckon, give me a sec |
| 10:38.47 | yareckon | but make damn sure that you have the right info there soas not to overwrite another disk |
| 10:39.06 | yareckon | disk utility or gparted are nice graphical ways to check this |
| 10:39.08 | _droid | jelly-home: no the server and client are connected on the same switch in the local network |
| 10:39.17 | yareckon | otherwise I think fdisk would work |
| 10:39.35 | yareckon | hey, I actually need to go. good luck! |
| 10:39.41 | UltraMC | yareckon, what format flashdrive should have for LIVE debian installation? |
| 10:41.13 | djp_ | have just installed debian on an old samsung r60plus laptop. everything works fine except for sound. there isn't any. lspci reports the card as ati technologies inc sbx00 azalia (intel hda). i've tried reconfiguring the linux-sound-base to use oss instead of alsa but still no joy. can anyone help? |
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| 10:41.37 | UltraMC | djp_ is this laptop have more than 1 soundcards maybe? |
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| 10:42.25 | djp_ | UltraMC: appears to only have the one. |
| 10:43.10 | UltraMC | djp_ is it plugged and enabled? Its stupid but I had this problem with uBuntu, all I had to do is to turn it off |
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| 10:43.51 | nkuttler | _droid: check your server logs (and this is a very bad idea) |
| 10:43.59 | UltraMC | which one here is my pendrive (http://pastebin.com/akLfYi9D) ? |
| 10:44.14 | _droid | nkuttler: what is a bad idea? |
| 10:44.42 | nkuttler | _droid: anonymous rw ftp |
| 10:45.26 | _droid | nkuttler: the server is not runnung 247 and it is on my local lan |
| 10:45.33 | nkuttler | i see |
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| 10:46.17 | UltraMC | Lol it disconnected me. Which one here is my Pendrive: http://pastebin.com/akLfYi9D |
| 10:46.29 | _droid | nkuttler: the logs has have this several logs that are the same http://pastebin.com/WPkgACXd |
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| 10:47.12 | nkuttler | _droid: looks good to me? but i don't do ftp |
| 10:47.41 | nkuttler | _droid: could also be the ftp client, try a different one i guess |
| 10:49.34 | UltraMC | Lol it disconnected me. Which one here is my Pendrive: http://pastebin.com/akLfYi9D |
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| 10:50.41 | nkuttler | UltraMC: which did you try yet? |
| 10:51.07 | nkuttler | UltraMC: cat /proc/partitions and usually the last log entry is relevant.. |
| 10:51.11 | UltraMC | nkuttler, none, I dont know which is which |
| 10:51.28 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.29 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.29 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.29 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.29 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.29 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:53.52 | UltraMC | major minor #blocks name |
| 10:53.52 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.52 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.52 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:54.23 | themill | dpkg: tell UltraMC about paste |
| 10:54.29 | themill | UltraMC: please stop pasting into the channel |
| 10:54.31 | UltraMC | it fails omg ./msg dpkg paste |
| 10:54.41 | UltraMC | your instructions are irrelevant |
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| 10:58.32 | AllStruck | did anyone experience this problem with crashing caused by NTP leap seconds recently? |
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| 11:03.12 | ompaul | AllStruck: what is your real question |
| 11:03.29 | AllStruck | that was my real question ompaul |
| 11:03.47 | AllStruck | I read about it but didn't have any problems that I noticed |
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| 11:04.05 | ompaul | great, so you have no support issue with it :) |
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| 11:25.16 | primeras | hi all. Sorry my English isn't very well. Where is the Debian 7 Beta 1 iso |
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| 11:26.48 | CuteAlien | Has anyone an idea why the option to Block pop-up windows in Iceweasel (from squeeze-backports) might now work? I run into this regularly when surfing while I'm on debian and it's a little annoying. |
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| 11:27.35 | CuteAlien | Same settings in Firefox (other OS) on same websites always works. |
| 11:27.36 | Guest85120 | hm, my samba doesn't automount after wifi starts up |
| 11:27.46 | themill | primeras: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 11:28.42 | primeras | themill, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:28.44 | primeras | is true? |
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| 11:29.07 | themill | primeras: assuming you want i386 not amd64, yes |
| 11:29.29 | UukGoblin | sorry wrong nick, yeah, so my samba share isn't mounted after boot |
| 11:29.35 | primeras | yes i want i386 |
| 11:29.39 | UukGoblin | presumably because it tries to mount it before wpa_supplicant is up |
| 11:29.50 | nsadmin2 | CuteAlien, could you review your original statement, I want to make sure at least this part: " ... why the option to Block pop-up windows in Iceweasel (from squeeze-backports) might now work? ... " |
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| 11:30.09 | nsadmin2 | is what you intended to write |
| 11:30.10 | UukGoblin | however I do see /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs, is that supposed to mount samba after an interface goes up? |
| 11:30.20 | UukGoblin | does it take into account the delay of running wpa_supplicant? |
| 11:30.35 | CuteAlien | nsadmin2, oop, s/now/not |
| 11:30.56 | nsadmin2 | ok, thanks |
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| 11:37.04 | nsadmin2 | so the exact same setting in a particular version of iceweasel meant to block popup windows is definitely not working? |
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| 11:37.18 | nsadmin2 | CuteAlien, ^^ |
| 11:37.42 | CuteAlien | nsadmin2, well, there's only one setting for that to my knowledge (didn't search about:config yet - could be there are more, but none I've changed) |
| 11:38.45 | nsadmin2 | and that setting is meant to block all popup windows? |
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| 11:39.49 | CuteAlien | How would I know... it's the "Content" - "Block pop-up windows" setting. And I know it block popups on a certain website when I'm on another system with Firefox and doesn't in Iceweasel. |
| 11:40.34 | CuteAlien | Just thought it's maybe familiar to someone here and something people know how to avoid already maybe. |
| 11:40.41 | nsadmin2 | ok, that's pretty definitive that the functionality doesn't work on iceweasel... |
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| 11:41.12 | nsadmin2 | could you... dpkg -s iceweasel | grep "^Version" |
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| 11:41.47 | CuteAlien | 14.0.1-1~bpo60+1 |
| 11:41.47 | themill | CuteAlien: have you restarted iceweasel since upgrading to the backports version? |
| 11:42.02 | CuteAlien | yeah, it's been that way from the start (months ago) |
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| 11:42.27 | themill | (that's not actually the version from backports but anyway) |
| 11:42.35 | CuteAlien | Just did run into it once again a few minutes ago so thought I might ask around if there's a way to get rid of it |
| 11:43.06 | themill | CuteAlien: can't say I've seen that behaviour, but I do also run adblock plus too |
| 11:43.44 | nsadmin2 | themill, could that be in mozilla.debian.net |
| 11:43.54 | themill | it is, yes |
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| 11:44.54 | nsadmin2 | CuteAlien, would it help you to try adblock? |
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| 11:46.53 | CuteAlien | could give you the link to test, but as I'm not sure if it's legal in your country (it's about streaming data and which is not always allowed for certain data patterns) I'm not sure if it's ok to post here. |
| 11:47.06 | nsadmin2 | themill, does adblock also try to block popups? |
| 11:47.39 | killer_ | debian 7 beta is out.........when is final release expected |
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| 11:47.59 | themill | killer_: the beta of the *installer* is out. |
| 11:48.01 | nsadmin2 | CuteAlien, what would you like overall? are you just trying to prevent popups or also ads? |
| 11:48.04 | themill | dpkg: tell killer_ about wwwr |
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| 11:48.50 | CuteAlien | nsadmin2, should have mentioned - I have adblock installed (wasn't sure, had to check first, been a while since I set that stuff up) |
| 11:49.07 | CuteAlien | nsadmin2, just popups |
| 11:49.46 | nsadmin2 | killer_, wanna help? one thing you can do is run the installer and report problems |
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| 11:49.56 | CuteAlien | Hm, do you know your setting of: browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction? It's 2 here. |
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| 11:50.12 | nsadmin2 | CuteAlien, sec |
| 11:50.34 | killer_ | kk....if i install now....can i upgrade it....when final release is made? |
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| 11:54.16 | CuteAlien | Or that one sounds even more like it: dom.popuup_allowed_events (here: change click dblclick mouseup reset submit) |
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| 12:02.30 | drigolli3r | re |
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| 12:09.24 | ircnode0 | which one is correct syntax in samba: path = /home/my home or path = /home/my\ home |
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| 12:10.04 | ircnode0 | just want to know do I need to escape for space |
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| 12:12.23 | rue_shop2 | how do I officially up my system from stable to testing |
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| 12:16.35 | gnarface | dpkg, tell rue_shop2 about squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:17.43 | jellow | how do I re-map alt-F1 tty keys to something else ? |
| 12:18.31 | rue_shop2 | gnarface, :) damn names |
| 12:20.53 | nsadmin2 | and, if you interrupt the upgrade, you'll only get squeezy |
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| 12:26.02 | nsadmin2 | jellow, alt Fx is mapped by X. So, they use ctrl to distinguish. when in one of the virtual consoles, ctrl is not necessary to specify to move to a different vc. |
| 12:26.39 | nsadmin2 | jellow, which of these two separate mappings of alt Fx do you wish to remap |
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| 12:28.20 | nsadmin2 | and, at some level you can remap absolutely anything, with the responsibility for the results of that, absolutely yours |
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| 12:30.34 | Nillerz | debian sucks because... |
| 12:30.40 | Nillerz | hello, how is everyone? |
| 12:32.00 | nsadmin2 | Nillerz, hi. welcome to debian support. your debian support request is? |
| 12:32.21 | Nillerz | I don't have one, I'm here to provide. I just opened with a non-starter.... |
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| 12:32.55 | Nillerz | Don't mind me |
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| 12:34.20 | colock | yay so much fun with preseeding and apt-cacher-ng :] |
| 12:34.40 | jellow | nsadmin2: I'm sorry I did not fully understand what you said , I'm trying to get to one of ttys 1-6 /sbin/getty , at the moment the F1 keys are all being used for system hotkeys so I cannot do ctrl-alt F1 and get to tty1. |
| 12:34.43 | colock | and dpkg-deb and reprepro! This distribution just rocks. |
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| 12:35.34 | jellow | i used xmodmap and remaped a key to F1 , did not have any effect yet xev picks it up as F1 |
| 12:35.41 | colock | jellow: kill Xorg :P |
| 12:35.56 | colock | or, better, stop your login manager (gdm, kdm, ...) |
| 12:37.09 | jellow | I need Xorg for nm-applet and firefox unfortunately |
| 12:37.14 | nsadmin2 | jellow, let me understand... you say you cannot use ctrl-alt-f1 to get to the vc on tty1? |
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| 12:37.44 | jellow | nsadmin2: that is right |
| 12:38.05 | colock | well, jellow, you can remove your crazy mapping from xmodmap, don't you? |
| 12:38.09 | nsadmin2 | because something was remapped? |
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| 12:38.22 | nsadmin2 | howbout ctrl-alt-f2? |
| 12:38.26 | colock | eheh |
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| 12:38.52 | lorella | !list |
| 12:38.53 | dpkg | lorella: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 12:38.54 | nsadmin2 | well he said f1 was mapped to something else... what about f2 |
| 12:39.03 | jellow | nsadmin2: they all mapped out |
| 12:39.11 | nsadmin2 | lorella, .it always !list... |
| 12:39.20 | nsadmin2 | lorella, why? |
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| 12:40.02 | nsadmin2 | lorella, and -ZERO- !list come from not-.it |
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| 12:40.51 | jellow | I could re-map all of them so as they should use fn + F[1-6] , but no idea howto thise seemed easier |
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| 12:43.25 | nsadmin2 | hmm, what is that command that swutcges to another vc |
| 12:43.30 | nsadmin2 | switches |
| 12:44.02 | nsadmin2 | jellow, maybe there's another way |
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| 12:47.09 | Ztat | Why is 'python-libxml2' repackaged as an update when, really, the only change is in 'libxml2' ? (Unless I'm missing something... but the changelog.Debian in both .deb's are identical ( it's the libxml2 changelog, nothing specific to python ) |
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| 12:47.46 | Ztat | ( same for libxml2-utils ) |
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| 12:49.16 | nsadmin2 | Ztat, the change in libxml2 is represented as two separate packages of libxml2? |
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| 12:51.07 | jellow | nsadmin2: there is a program called vc-switch , though not was I was looking for neither is it in repo as far as I can see. I'll keep looking thanks for your help. |
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| 12:52.55 | Woet | during an attack the load of server goes up, the packets are being blocked by iptables. is there any room for improvement? |
| 12:52.57 | nsadmin2 | , file bin/vc-switch |
| 12:52.58 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 12:54.23 | nsadmin2 | jellow, at least not by that name... |
| 12:54.45 | nsadmin2 | , file bin/vcswitch |
| 12:54.46 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 12:57.36 | krababbel | Hi, I installed gnome-system-monitor, but I don't have any other gnome packages installed manually, I use another WM. The system-monitor is missing parts of the graphics, they are black, like the labels of the axis on graphs. |
| 12:59.23 | krababbel | Is this a missing package? |
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| 13:01.10 | Ztat | nsadmin2: Hm. This seems odd. It looks like python-libxml2 has a 'wrapper' for libxml2.so.2 in the form of libxml2mod.so ... But the *strange* part is that there is no source available for this wrapper? http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/python-libxml2 is 404 ... and the python-libxml2 binary package page only lists libxml2 ... That seems like it could potentially be a security risk? |
| 13:01.42 | nsadmin2 | that would violate the gpl |
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| 13:02.01 | Ztat | so should i somehow try to elevate this for inspection ... ? |
| 13:02.31 | Ztat | libxml2mod.so could theoretically have arbitrary malicious code exploitation ... |
| 13:02.52 | nsadmin2 | well this wrapper, are you sure it's compiled rather than being something like a link? |
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| 13:02.59 | Ztat | let me see |
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| 13:03.40 | Ztat | yes it's compiled ... |
| 13:03.41 | nsadmin2 | also I guess the wrapper could be python code, so, source... |
| 13:03.48 | ansgar | Ztat: apt-cache show python-libxml2 -> Source: libxml2 |
| 13:03.58 | Ztat | no it's most likely C ... |
| 13:04.10 | Ztat | it's a .so after all |
| 13:04.27 | Ztat | python-libxml2_2.7.8.dfsg-2+squeeze5_amd64/usr/lib/pyshared/python2.5/libxml2mod.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 13:04.29 | nsadmin2 | is it in main? |
| 13:04.38 | Ztat | well |
| 13:04.46 | Ztat | another 'interesting' thing i observed... |
| 13:04.54 | nsadmin2 | could the source have been generated c code |
| 13:05.17 | Ztat | if you go to the direct download page, ie: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amd64/python-libxml2/download |
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| 13:05.30 | Ztat | the only 'mirror' listed is security.debian.org |
| 13:06.11 | Ztat | also yes it's quite feasible the source could have been auto generated ... |
| 13:06.20 | Ztat | but how would we get any information on that? |
| 13:06.58 | Ztat | like ansgar said: apt-cache show python-libxml2|grep Source |
| 13:07.10 | nsadmin2 | the only ways I know of, is ask someone who knows, or dive into the dumpster that is the source yourself :) |
| 13:07.15 | Ztat | it just lists libxml2 directly as the source, but that's not quite accurate ? |
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| 13:08.08 | nsadmin2 | maybe |
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| 13:08.32 | Ztat | again, like i said, we don't have any information about how libxml2mod.so is generated, so that seems very odd ... |
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| 13:08.49 | boin3 | hi were do I find a list of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS |
| 13:08.52 | boin3 | ? |
| 13:09.09 | nsadmin2 | a source thats prepared to be built on a debian system (I call this "debianized source") can build more than one .deb |
| 13:09.59 | Ztat | well, yes that seems logical so as to handle situations such as this (automatically generated bindings) ... |
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| 13:10.24 | Ztat | and maybe there's public info on the process that i'm just ignorant of |
| 13:11.47 | nsadmin2 | there could for example be the typical lib thing, which could involve compiling the lib source several times, which generate the run time libs, the compile stuff (lib stubs and include headers), debug support, profiler support, etc |
| 13:12.05 | Ztat | but gnome is linked to python-libxml2 and so that means basically anyone running debian has libxml2mod.so on their system and so double you tee eff? |
| 13:12.23 | nsadmin2 | let's see, |
| 13:13.33 | Trewas | Ztat: what is confusing about that? that package is built directly from libxml2 source (http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/libxml2) |
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| 13:14.53 | Ztat | ^Interesting... "The following binary packages are built from this source package:" |
| 13:15.19 | Ztat | What's "confusing" is about *how* they are built from the source package ... |
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| 13:15.33 | Ztat | I figured each binary package would have a unique source package ... |
| 13:15.42 | nsadmin2 | howbout trying to get the source from security.d.o by adding a line to sources.list with a copy of the security deb line but replace the "deb" in the copy with "deb-src" |
| 13:15.54 | Ztat | ah i'll try .. |
| 13:16.05 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Ztat about package rebuild |
| 13:16.27 | Ztat | jelly-home: that tells me nothing. |
| 13:16.31 | Trewas | Ztat: every lib has the binary library and the -dev package which contains the headers, the "binary" package just includes parts of what has been built from the source |
| 13:16.42 | Ztat | jelly-home: relevant. but doesn't answer my query |
| 13:16.56 | krababbel | I installed gnome-system-monitor and it has display problems when using Gtk2. How can I switch to Gtk3? |
| 13:17.06 | nsadmin2 | then, cd ; mkdir libxml2-wrk ; cd libxml2-wrk ; apt-get source libxml2 |
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| 13:17.46 | jelly-home | Ztat: you also asked "how they are built" |
| 13:17.47 | Ztat | Trewas: python-libxml2 has no "-dev" @.@ |
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| 13:18.46 | Ztat | jelly-home: That dpkg bot information doesn't explain how libxml2mod.so in python-libxml2 would be built from the libxml2 source package @.@ |
| 13:19.13 | Trewas | Ztat: the previous was just an example how one source builds many binary packages (and why it makes very obviously sense), libxml2 source just is broken even smaller pieces |
| 13:19.26 | jelly-home | Ztat: it shows the generic procedure. The particulars for each source package are in that source package. |
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| 13:20.28 | boin3 | how do I build a deb package without mmx or sse? |
| 13:21.01 | nsadmin2 | are those cpu flags? |
| 13:21.53 | jelly-home | boin3: which debian architecture are you building for? gcc flags used when building i386 do not use either mmx or sse by default |
| 13:21.55 | themill | boin3: what architecture are you building |
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| 13:22.39 | boin3 | amd64 -- intel I7 |
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| 13:24.10 | Ztat | boin3: possibly "-march=generic" ? |
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| 13:24.26 | boin3 | jelly-home, themill: I would like to build a deb package without optimisation, sse/mmx stuff and with Debugging Symbols |
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| 13:24.46 | boin3 | Ztat: is this a DEB_BUILD_OPTION? |
| 13:25.02 | Ztat | no, gcc |
| 13:25.09 | themill | boin3: which package is this? |
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| 13:25.43 | boin3 | tesseract in stable |
| 13:26.03 | boin3 | themill: tesseract from deb stable |
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| 13:27.36 | themill | boin3: that package should obey "nostrip" to leave in debugging symbols. You'll have to modify debian/rules to change CFLAGS for anything else |
| 13:28.08 | Ztat | boin3: possibly: "-mno-sse -mno-mmx" ... ? |
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| 13:31.04 | boin3 | Ztat: so I write cflags= -mno-sse -mno-mmx in my /etc/dpkg/buildflags.conf |
| 13:31.07 | boin3 | ? |
| 13:31.44 | nsadmin2 | is it detrimental (or at least nonsensical) to strip a nondebug lib? another way: do runtime libs need symbol tables (which would be removed by stripping)? |
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| 13:32.23 | nsadmin2 | boin3, quote it |
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| 13:33.01 | Ztat | boin3: maybe: CFLAGS="-mno-mmx -mno-sse" |
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| 13:34.54 | boin3 | Ztat: when I run dpkg-buildflags it prints line 1 ignored |
| 13:35.46 | themill | boin3: dpkg-buildflags does not appear to be used by that package. You need to edit debian/rules in that package as I suggested. |
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| 13:36.50 | Ztat | boin3: Are you sure you copy/pasted correctly? |
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| 13:38.07 | Ztat | @.@ ... copy/paste me *exactly* what you copy/pasted ... INCLUDING all quotes you copied, WITHOUT extra manually added delimiting symbols (such as quotes), please =P |
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| 13:44.20 | boin3 | Ztat: I copyed you 1to1 in my buildflags.conf |
| 13:45.12 | themill | but dpkg-buildflags is not used by that package... |
| 13:45.39 | abrotman | boin3: please use paste. |
| 13:45.51 | Ztat | yes boin3, what abrotman said^ |
| 13:45.52 | abrotman | boin3: please use paste.debian.net so all can see |
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| 13:46.12 | Ztat | because there is inconsistency: |
| 13:46.12 | Ztat | boin3: Ztat: so I write cflags= -mno-sse -mno-mmx in my /etc/dpkg/buildflags.conf |
| 13:46.12 | Ztat | Ztat: boin3: maybe: CFLAGS="-mno-mmx -mno-sse" |
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| 13:46.42 | Outlander | how do I determine which process is causing the most IO on a system? |
| 13:46.48 | abrotman | iotop |
| 13:46.55 | Ztat | boin3: No, you don't write *cflags= -mno-sse -mno-mmx* ... you write: *CFLAGS="-mno-mmx -mno-sse"* =P |
| 13:47.12 | Outlander | and if my kernel doesn't support iotop? |
| 13:47.29 | abrotman | Outlander: which kernel is that? |
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| 13:47.44 | Outlander | think it's a redhat 4 box |
| 13:48.00 | Ztat | then why are you in #debian ... ? |
| 13:48.02 | abrotman | so why ask here? |
| 13:48.09 | boin3 | boin3> Ztat: I copyed you 1to1 in my buildflags.conf; in my buildflags.conf is: CFLAGS="-mno-mmx -mno-sse" so what? |
| 13:48.15 | Outlander | was hoping for a generic answer from smart people ;) |
| 13:48.27 | abrotman | ask ##linux for generic support |
| 13:48.30 | Outlander | that would work on any distro |
| 13:48.30 | jelly-home | Outlander: ask in #rhel or ##linux |
| 13:48.31 | abrotman | good luck |
| 13:48.40 | Outlander | alrighty, ever helpful. |
| 13:48.44 | Ztat | boin3: try to remove the -mno-mmx and see if just -mno-see works ? |
| 13:48.44 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:48.57 | Outlander | would you answer if I asked another question, being how would I do that on debian? |
| 13:48.59 | abrotman | my answer works on Debian |
| 13:49.14 | boin3 | Outlander: so generic way to know your box cat /etc/issue |
| 13:49.19 | jelly-home | atop and iotop work on Debian 6 |
| 13:49.26 | Ztat | Outlander: The 'generic' answer is: Install iotop on your system, and use it. @.@ |
| 13:49.40 | abrotman | Outlander: good luck! |
| 13:49.53 | Outlander | after patching/upgrading the kernel if it doesn't support the new extensions? |
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| 13:50.11 | abrotman | Outlander: enough, it's not a Debian box |
| 13:50.29 | abrotman | Outlander: use ##linux or #rhel |
| 13:50.49 | jelly-home | srsly, the exact same smart people can sit in ##linux if they want to give distro-unbound support |
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| 13:51.06 | boin3 | Ztat: no |
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| 13:51.12 | Ztat | ROFL WAT was that question even ... i just don't ... >>iotop >>"patching kernel new extensions" >> mfw and like such as |
| 13:51.24 | abrotman | move on |
| 13:51.28 | Ztat | BTW, nsadmin2, ansgar, Trewas, jelly-home, The libxml2 source package ( libxml2_2.7.8.dfsg.orig.tar.gz ) has a 'Last modified' date of '06-Jun-2011' ... and so obviously this is not the current security-updated version ... Would there be another location to look for something like a '*.src.deb' ... or are we to presume that libxml2 and python-libxml2 are built directly out of Git, now ??? |
| 13:51.28 | Ztat | http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/libx/libxml2/?C=M;O=A |
| 13:52.39 | jelly-home | Ztat: .orig.tar.gz is not the whole source package. You also need either debian.tar.gz or .diff.gz to be able to rebuild a package |
| 13:52.41 | Ztat | boin3: /join #gcc /join #gnu |
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| 13:53.15 | Ztat | jelly-home: Ohh .. they use the original unmodified release package with a diff onto it errrrrrrr okay hah |
| 13:53.52 | jelly-home | Ztat: and that's EXACTLY what the apt-get source ... command downloads |
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| 13:54.12 | jelly-home | you know, the one you were told about an hour ago |
| 13:54.13 | boin3 | were do I find a list of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS ? |
| 13:54.57 | themill | dpkg: tell boin3 about nostrip |
| 13:55.20 | themill | boin3: policy §4.9.1 |
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| 13:56.02 | Ztat | jelly-home: yeah but this means i have to diff two diffs... Haa |
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| 13:57.00 | themill | that's what interdiff is for |
| 13:57.21 | boin3 | themill: thx |
| 13:57.58 | Ztat | themill: § ? What are you, European? Also, that's not a paragraph so much as a '(sub)section', also, where do you just pull '§' out of air from? Some GNOME Panel applet? :D |
| 13:58.25 | themill | Ztat: § means section not paragraph. /msg dpkg compose key |
| 13:58.58 | Ztat | oh, that seems appropriate (as wiki says, plus the 'S' look) |
| 13:59.04 | themill | (¶ is paragraph) |
| 13:59.08 | Ztat | gnome-character-map info says 'paragraph' ... Hah |
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| 13:59.35 | Ztat | oh in the title it has 'section' |
| 13:59.46 | Ztat | but the quick 'note' says "paragraph sign in some European usage" <_< |
| 13:59.56 | Ztat | ha |
| 14:00.18 | Ztat | and that wording is funny too |
| 14:00.26 | Ztat | "in some European usage" |
| 14:00.37 | jelly-home | .de and others |
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| 14:00.56 | Ztat | so, /s/usage/languages ? |
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| 14:02.58 | fellipe | hi, how can I now what version of a package will be installed if I do apt-get install ? |
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| 14:05.41 | UltraMC | I've installed Debian on my box and it replaced my Windows Vista 7 loader with Debian loader. I can not dualboot but I have 2 systems on box. How to fix it? |
| 14:06.02 | abrotman | install os-prober |
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| 14:06.12 | UltraMC | for? |
| 14:06.54 | nsadmin2 | fellipe, try apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 14:07.02 | fellipe | nsadmin2, thanks.. |
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| 14:07.32 | babilen | UltraMC: Just make sure that the "os-prober" package is installed and re-run "update-grub" to generate a boot stanza for Windows. I think dual-booting with Win7 is also discussed in the <dual boot guide> (/msg dpkg dual boot guide) |
| 14:07.55 | UltraMC | thnx babilen |
| 14:07.55 | Ztat | abrotman: I thought GRUB would automatically do that? I guess it has trouble with "Vista 7" |
| 14:08.17 | babilen | Ztat: It only does that when os-prober is installed |
| 14:08.22 | Ztat | also, "This package detects other OSes available on a system and outputs the results in a generic machine-readable format." <-- And, what 'format' would that be, per say? |
| 14:08.35 | themill | Ztat: tias |
| 14:09.01 | Ztat | i'll just assume it works automatically / not care |
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| 14:09.53 | UltraMC | yay it works |
| 14:09.55 | babilen | Ztat: It is called from /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober, but you can also run it manually. |
| 14:09.55 | UltraMC | ty |
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| 14:10.05 | themill | quite. It doesn't really matter if it's json encapsulated in yaml as a CDATA section in xml or just a tab delimited file. |
| 14:10.08 | nsadmin2 | fellipe, that work for ya? |
| 14:10.56 | nsadmin2 | babilen, can grub2 have that savedefault thing? |
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| 14:14.35 | babilen | nsadmin2: Are you referring to `GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT' (cf. info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration') |
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| 14:16.43 | UltraMC | Is there a way to make my terminal behave like a PuTTy terminal? Select to copy, Right Click to paste |
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| 14:17.12 | nsadmin2 | babilen, thanks |
| 14:17.27 | nsadmin2 | and, probably |
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| 14:19.04 | UltraMC | Is there a way to make my terminal behave like a PuTTy terminal? Select to copy, Right Click to paste |
| 14:19.13 | babilen | UltraMC: You can, generally speaking, copy&paste anything you selected with a click of the middle mouse button in Xorg |
| 14:19.22 | youlysses | UltraMC: Just use a graphical-terminal emulator with ssh, or mosh. |
| 14:19.51 | Calinou | babilen, middle click is paste not copy |
| 14:20.00 | UltraMC | babilen, thank you |
| 14:20.02 | Calinou | (can you copy if you hold shift/whatever?) |
| 14:20.14 | UltraMC | Now, I have 2 sound cards - how to select default one? |
| 14:20.39 | babilen | Calinou: "anything you selected" and I fail to see what you are implying here. |
| 14:20.43 | youlysses | UltraMC: Are you on Debian 6, Gnome 2.x? |
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| 14:20.56 | UltraMC | Yes, but no idea what GNOME is that |
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| 14:21.03 | Calinou | stable = gnome 2 |
| 14:21.09 | Calinou | testing/unstable = gnome 3 |
| 14:21.19 | babilen | UltraMC: You are welcome - I am not sure if that is the bahviour you were looking for, but it is IMHO the fastest and most convenient way to copy&paste within X. |
| 14:21.35 | UltraMC | babilen, thats what I was looking for |
| 14:21.44 | UltraMC | Calinou, its gnome 2 |
| 14:21.48 | babilen | UltraMC: Hooray! :) |
| 14:22.16 | youlysses | There should be (for both the 2.x and 3.x branch) a gui sound-manager that you can select which hardware to use, amoung other things. |
| 14:23.14 | youlysses | is not a big fan of GNOME2, but loves that MooGNU came out from the Mate project. XD |
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| 14:23.46 | UltraMC | SYSTEM > Pref > Sound > my hardware is my correct sound card (had to change it_ but its still quiet |
| 14:25.06 | UltraMC | Maybe I need to install driver for it :P |
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| 14:25.53 | youlysses | If it's quiet, I'm pretty sure you can boost it to higher than reccomended values? |
| 14:25.59 | UltraMC | I mean silent |
| 14:26.00 | UltraMC | No sound |
| 14:26.01 | UltraMC | ;-) |
| 14:26.12 | babilen | UltraMC: Could you paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" to http://paste.debian.net please? Do you know if you use pulseaudio? (e.g. is the pulseaudio package installed?) |
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| 14:26.37 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.37 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.37 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.37 | UltraMC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:26.39 | babilen | UltraMC: Was sound working before? Is "the other" soundcard working right now? |
| 14:26.45 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 14:27.01 | themill | I had hoped he had learnt after the last 2 times |
| 14:27.03 | UltraMC | sorry, CA0106 thats the one I want to use |
| 14:27.14 | themill | UltraMC: please stop pasting into the channel... |
| 14:27.16 | babilen | UltraMC: Was sound working before? Is "the other" (presumably the on-board intel) card working right now? |
| 14:28.00 | UltraMC | I am using only CA0106, when I installed ubuntu had same problem bud had only to enable my new card |
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| 14:28.49 | babilen | UltraMC: Ok. Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l pulseaudio|tail -n1" and "aplay -L" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 14:29.08 | babilen | UltraMC: Is the on-board intel card working right now? |
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| 14:30.50 | UltraMC | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/182219/ |
| 14:31.49 | UltraMC | babilen, what do you mean? |
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| 14:32.25 | babilen | UltraMC: I mean: Do you hear sound when you try to use the on-board soundcard? (i.e. plug whatever you use to listen into the on-board sound card) |
| 14:32.35 | UltraMC | babilen, I cant check is it playing coz have special jack and it fits only in CA0106 |
| 14:32.43 | Ztat | boin3: also just learned you could maybe try adding "#undef __MMX__" and "#undef __SSE__" to source ^_^ |
| 14:33.14 | themill | or you can just fix debian/rules... |
| 14:33.55 | babilen | UltraMC: Thanks. Do you hear sound when you run "speaker-test -Ddefault:CARD=CA0106 -t wav" ? (assuming something is plugged into the Audigy) |
| 14:34.20 | UltraMC | babilen, yes I do! |
| 14:34.30 | babilen | UltraMC: Please also run "alsamixer", switch to the Audigy and make sure that the mixers are unmuted and that the volume is raised. |
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| 14:34.44 | UltraMC | "alsamixer" thats the one I forgot about haha |
| 14:35.34 | babilen | UltraMC: Ok, great. The problem is therefore that ALSA (the soundserver) uses the on-board intel sound card by default. (and so do application if not explicitly configured otherwise) |
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| 14:36.02 | UltraMC | babilen, the media player still plays no sound |
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| 14:36.16 | UltraMC | same as youtube |
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| 14:36.37 | babilen | UltraMC: There are different ways to change that. One way would be to make sure that the Audigy sound card is the default sound card in ALSA and the other would be to use Pulseaudio and configure it to use your Audigy as default sink. |
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| 14:37.56 | redcheckers | what do i need to install to have 'rar' or ' unrar ' ? |
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| 14:38.36 | UltraMC | redcheckers, http://www.google.pl/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=linux+rar |
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| 14:38.52 | themill | dpkg: tell redcheckers about unrar |
| 14:39.16 | UltraMC | babilen, Pulseaudio in not a command and its not downloadable |
| 14:39.23 | redcheckers | UltraMC: apt cache search says it must be provided by another package or from source |
| 14:39.27 | redcheckers | UltraMC: thanks for being a jerk though |
| 14:39.36 | babilen | UltraMC: I would personally recommend to use Pulseaudio, but you have to configure it a little as well. It essentially boils down to installing pulseaudio, creating a /etc/asound.conf like http://paste.debian.net/182222/ and running "pavucontrol" to select the default sink there. |
| 14:39.42 | themill | redcheckers: you need non-free in your sources.list |
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| 14:40.03 | UltraMC | babilen, its such an unnatural way of doing it :/ |
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| 14:40.11 | babilen | UltraMC: What happens if you run "apt-get install pulseaudio pavucontrol" ? |
| 14:40.21 | babilen | UltraMC: How so? |
| 14:40.38 | babilen | !tell UltraMC -about pulseaudio |
| 14:40.54 | UltraMC | babilen, there is no pulseaudio and it tryies to install pavucontrol |
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| 14:41.18 | babilen | UltraMC: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy pulseaudio" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 14:42.23 | babilen | !tell UltraMC -about alsa default |
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| 14:43.26 | babilen | UltraMC: That factoid (alsa default) discusses methods to set the default device for ALSA (i.e. no pulseaudio), which is an alternative approach to the pulseaudio one. I just wanted to mention it because I have to leave soon for some minutes. |
| 14:43.34 | UltraMC | babilen, http://pastebin.com/GgCZBC5S |
| 14:43.45 | nsadmin2 | babilen, thanks; I forgot I had that info page |
| 14:43.52 | babilen | UltraMC: http://paste.debian.net in the future please ;) |
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| 14:44.38 | babilen | nsadmin2: Don't worry -- It should be referenced in /etc/default/grub but IIRC you only get a new version of that file if you accept the maintainer version or merge it. Some people who upgraded from earlier versions might not have the reference in there. |
| 14:45.36 | babilen | UltraMC: Ok. Please paste the output of "LC_ALL=C apt-get install pulseaudio" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 14:45.53 | UltraMC | babilen, /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc does not exist |
| 14:46.16 | dvs | UltraMC: You can comment out the CDROM source since you have ftp.pl.debian.net in your sources |
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| 14:46.33 | UltraMC | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/182225/ |
| 14:46.36 | babilen | UltraMC: I know. You have to create it manually with the content I pasted. This is also discussed in the how-to found in the forum post which was referenced in the <pulseaudio> factoid dpkg sent you |
| 14:47.16 | UltraMC | dvs comment out from where |
| 14:47.18 | babilen | UltraMC: As you can see it has no problem to install pulseaudio. I am not quite sure which problems you ran into or what you meant by "there is no pulseaudio" |
| 14:47.32 | dvs | UltraMC: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:49.28 | babilen | UltraMC: You might also want to edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment the entries for the CD-ROMs -- I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html , "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" and "/msg dpkg http.debian.net" |
| 14:49.36 | dvs | ... |
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| 14:50.25 | babilen | UltraMC: So in short: Install pulseaudio, configure it as discussed and restart. I'll be back shortly and hope that you'll succeed! |
| 14:50.42 | UltraMC | babilen, ty |
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| 14:53.09 | Ztat | I think that when multiple binary packages are built from a single source, they should each have some type of 'meta source' specifying exact details about the build process, otherwise... tracking down the origin of things becomes exceedingly exhausting, such as for example: libxml2mod.so ( And especially when the binary is a security update ) |
| 14:53.44 | themill | Ztat: that information is all there |
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| 14:55.16 | UltraMC | I can not edit /etc/ (probably 'coz Im not root). How to be a root for a moment? |
| 14:55.43 | pduersteler | UltraMC switch to root with "su" or use "sudo"? |
| 14:55.55 | UltraMC | how later swich back from root to user? |
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| 14:56.08 | pduersteler | UltraMc "su <user>" |
| 14:56.29 | krisfremen | or just exit the su process |
| 14:56.40 | UltraMC | but I want to have root in Window Manager |
| 14:56.42 | babilen | (CTRL-D / "exit" ...) |
| 14:56.44 | UltraMC | not in terminal |
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| 14:58.00 | babilen | UltraMC: You should *never* work as root and you shouldn't run your WM as root. You can acquire superuser privileges easily whenever you need them with sudo/gksudo (/msg dpkg sudo ; /msg dpkg sudoers ; "adduser YOURUSER sudo" + relogin) |
| 14:58.19 | UltraMC | babilen, hi again |
| 14:58.30 | babilen | s/*never* work as root/use root as your normal user/ |
| 14:58.43 | UltraMC | babilen, I want to edit /etc/, but I need to be a root ... |
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| 14:59.07 | Ztat | themill: Could you give a specific example? ( libxml2mod.so ) ... |
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| 14:59.37 | babilen | UltraMC: yeah. Open a terminal and run "su" to acquire root privileges. If sudo is installed and configured for your user you can also run "sudo CMD" or "sudo -i" (see the factoids I mentioned earlier) |
| 15:00.16 | UltraMC | su lets me be root |
| 15:00.18 | jelly-home | Ztat: what? The origin of things is figured out in 2-3 commands. dpkg -S /path/to/binary; apt-cache show packagename |
| 15:00.30 | UltraMC | but still cant edit /etc/ with file manager |
| 15:00.58 | themill | Ztat: I'm not really sure what information you're missing. "apt-file search libxml2mod.so" tells me it's in the python-libxml2 package (as expected), "apt-get source python-libxml2" gets me the source package which shows how that source package is built and then chopped up into binary packages. |
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| 15:01.54 | babilen | UltraMC: You could start an editor with, say, "gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" or run a filemanager in the same manner. I wouldn't necessarily recommend that and I would recommend to get used to the command line. If you don't want to do that you could, for example, edit your sources.list from within the synaptic package manager (GUI package manager) |
| 15:02.06 | UltraMC | fuck this |
| 15:02.08 | themill | Ztat: I suspect that the confusion here is that a source package is split up into multiple binary packages; multiple packages aren't joined together in some strange way to make a multi-binary-generating odd source package |
| 15:02.13 | babilen | UltraMC: Excuse me? |
| 15:02.14 | UltraMC | on my dedicated server I can VNC on my root |
| 15:02.23 | themill | UltraMC: feel free to help yourself. |
| 15:02.24 | UltraMC | and on my box I have to execute some commands? Lol why |
| 15:03.08 | themill | UltraMC: I appreciate that english is probably not your native language, but you don't need to be quite so rude to the people volunteering to help you. |
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| 15:03.28 | UltraMC | themill, Im rude @ linux not you |
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| 15:04.58 | babilen | UltraMC: I do not appreciate a comment such as "fuck this" after I spent time to elaborate on the options that I perceive as being optimal for you. And yeah, you can feel free to help yourself but at least consider learning how to work on the command line or use appropriate GUI tools (e.g. synaptic) |
| 15:05.44 | UltraMC | babilen, are you normal? You coud say just to do "sudo nautilus" |
| 15:05.57 | UltraMC | why to write those long lines of smart talk? |
| 15:06.02 | themill | that's such a bad way of doing things |
| 15:06.11 | UltraMC | themill, it works |
| 15:06.13 | babilen | UltraMC: And FWIW, I wouldn't recommend running a service (SSH, VNC, ...) that allows root logins as well. But well, it is up to you to ignore that. |
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| 15:06.50 | themill | (and "sudo nautilus" will frequently fail to work too) |
| 15:06.51 | UltraMC | babilen, console is crappy and slow, hard to learn and unfriendly. WM is cool. Why not to use WM? |
| 15:07.25 | pduersteler | quick questions: are there downsides when having / and swap in a LVM lv instead of outside LVM? |
| 15:07.31 | themill | UltraMC: we've seen people who accidentally moved /lib to /etc with nautilus. Drag and drop for the win. |
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| 15:09.21 | ompaul | also seen people apply strange ownership to the wrong part of the box and making it nothing more than a box of data and useless |
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| 15:09.34 | spouk | analog command fc-cashe for /usr/share/pixmaps? anyone know? |
| 15:09.40 | ompaul | gui and permissions like being tired and root = BAD |
| 15:09.53 | spouk | fc-cache* |
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| 15:10.25 | themill | spouk: there's no cache for pixmaps that I know of |
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| 15:10.34 | UltraMC | babilen, PulseAudio is on AlsaMixer by default and its checked in Sound Manager as "Capture" but still no sound |
| 15:10.39 | babilen | UltraMC: I beg to differ and do not think that generalisations such as "console is crappy and slow" are helpful in a discussion. I also lost every interest in discussing this further and guess the only thing left to do is to recommend reading http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html and learning about the the CLI. |
| 15:10.39 | spouk | yep i see only default backgrounds |
| 15:10.41 | ompaul | UltraMC: and the person who says will never happen to me, is going to be the luckiest person on the planet. |
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| 15:11.55 | wuffi600 | where can i find a minimal kfreebsd amd64 whezzy iso? |
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| 15:12.19 | sney | all the wheezy installers are at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 15:12.21 | asarch | Where is the Emacs manual for Testing? |
| 15:12.41 | nkuttler | asarch: non-free? |
| 15:12.48 | babilen | asarch: IIRC emacs24-common-non-dfsg |
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| 15:12.52 | wuffi600 | sney: oh thank you |
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| 15:14.08 | asarch | Oh... |
| 15:14.12 | asarch | Thank you |
| 15:14.15 | asarch | Thank you very much |
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| 15:19.39 | Kagee | Can i add http://debian.mysociety.org/ to apt and specify that only two specific packages should be installed from there? |
| 15:20.50 | sney | Kagee: if you only want two specific packages, just download the .debs and install them with dpkg -i |
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| 15:21.33 | Kagee | sney: i would really like to be able to hold them up to date from there aswell |
| 15:21.39 | UltraMC | babilen, Pulseaudio configured and working |
| 15:21.43 | UltraMC | ty |
| 15:22.12 | RealiX | Kagee, What packages is it? |
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| 15:22.28 | Kagee | right now it's libstatistics-distributions-perl |
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| 15:23.16 | ompaul | Kagee: it supports squeeze - if you change the etch to squeeze and follow though you will be attached to it, however be aware that if it breaks your install we can't do anything to help you |
| 15:23.53 | Kagee | ompaul: yes, i am aware. But i want to make sure only packages i spesify is installed from there |
| 15:24.10 | magyar | msg dpkg wheezt\y |
| 15:24.16 | magyar | msg dpkg wheezy |
| 15:24.19 | ompaul | dpkg: tell Kagee about pinning |
| 15:24.45 | ompaul | magyar: you might like to use a / in front of msg i.e. /msg |
| 15:25.18 | magyar | ompaul: bahh.. i just realized that, thanks |
| 15:25.33 | ompaul | yw |
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| 15:55.14 | riot | hi.. uh, are there any i386 7.0 installer images < 200 mb? e.g the business card iso? i can't find it :/ |
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| 15:58.06 | UltraMC | Why connecting to vncserver (Debian) by box IP:port gives "Connection timed out"? |
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| 15:58.17 | Ztat | riot: 262M is too much ? |
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| 15:59.46 | somiaj | riot: are you wanting to test the installer? You may have an easier time installing 6.0.x and then upgrading to wheezy (only install the base system before the upgrade) |
| 16:00.07 | riot | Ztat: yes, the partition can |
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| 16:00.18 | riot | not grow. sorry, for \n |
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| 16:00.49 | sney | riot: the buiness card installer was removed, but http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ contains mini.iso |
| 16:01.00 | riot | somiaj: i did that, but killed the bootloader on that stick |
| 16:01.29 | riot | sney: uh, that looks good, i'll try |
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| 16:03.32 | abletony84 | Is there a more elegant way of expressing: mkdir .maildir && cd .maildir && umask 077 && mkdir cur new tmp |
| 16:03.35 | abletony84 | Maybe: mkdir .maildir/ .maildir/cur/ .maildir/new/ .maildir/tmp && umask 077 .maildir/? |
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| 16:04.52 | ManoftheSea | abletony84: mkdir has a -p option. I believe it creates the parent directories. |
| 16:05.30 | ManoftheSea | so, try "mkdir -p .maildir/{cur,tmp,new}" |
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| 16:05.47 | ManoftheSea | as for your mask, I dunno |
| 16:06.01 | ManoftheSea | er, wait... |
| 16:06.10 | ManoftheSea | You'd want to chmod after, or umask before. |
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| 16:07.14 | abletony84 | ManoftheSea: cool, many thanks! |
| 16:07.48 | sneex | did they decide upon a ports area for updates et al for kfreebsd-i386 |
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| 16:59.19 | UltraMC | Does Debian has something similar to ubuntu's hardware centre: http://www.ehow.com/how_5976269_update-drivers-ubuntu.html ? |
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| 17:01.16 | simonlnu | to me, a hardware centre is a hardware store. |
| 17:02.01 | UltraMC | simonlnu, what I need is to update nvidia, ubuntu did it for me automaticly |
| 17:02.07 | ManoftheSea | UltraMC: do you mean, to help you install non-free drivers? |
| 17:02.22 | UltraMC | ManoftheSea, I mean ubuntu did it for my, why debian not? |
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| 17:02.36 | ManoftheSea | UltraMC: there is a difference in the debian and ubuntu philosophy |
| 17:02.54 | UltraMC | ManoftheSea, k so does Debian has the same Hardware centre as Ubuntu? |
| 17:03.19 | ManoftheSea | no. |
| 17:03.34 | UltraMC | ManoftheSea, Can I get it somewhere? |
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| 17:04.46 | ManoftheSea | UltraMC: have you asked google? |
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| 17:05.31 | UltraMC | ManoftheSea, yeah |
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| 17:06.53 | UltraMC | so? |
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| 17:07.31 | ManoftheSea | I can't really help you on that one. |
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| 17:13.37 | jelly-home | UltraMC: debian focuses on their users and free software. In this case the focus is more on free software, so it's still a bit hard to get nvidia's drivers running if you need them. |
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| 17:14.48 | jelly-home | UltraMC: if those nonfree drivers what you're after, ask the bot for this: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 17:20.43 | prixon` | hello |
| 17:20.48 | prixon` | I can't access nor format my usb-stick. I get an error saying the daemon is inhibited, "sudo killall udisks" doesn't solve the problem . Gparted can't even see the drive. only diskutility. |
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| 17:23.15 | Diopter | prixon`: Open a terminal, run lsblk or blkid, see if your stick shows up. |
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| 17:23.54 | prixon` | Diopter, no, only sda and its derivatives |
| 17:24.11 | ManoftheSea | prixon`: does dmesg say anything about detecting the drive? |
| 17:24.39 | Diopter | dmesg | tail when plugging/unplugging |
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| 17:25.05 | prixon` | well, it does mention it |
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| 17:26.05 | prixon` | saying stuff like: READ CAPACITY failed, Result: hostbyte=invalid driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE, Sense Key : Illegal Request [current], Add. Sense: Invalid command operation code |
| 17:26.13 | prixon` | I'll paste it somewhere |
| 17:26.28 | ManoftheSea | that sounds broken. |
| 17:26.53 | prixon` | http://pastebin.com/diXLHEQN |
| 17:27.05 | prixon` | is it fixable ManoftheSea? |
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| 17:27.41 | ManoftheSea | is it an ironkey, by chance? |
| 17:27.50 | ManoftheSea | I don't know how to fix that. |
| 17:28.06 | ManoftheSea | but it looks like hardware error. |
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| 17:28.57 | prixon` | it's kingston |
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| 17:29.19 | ManoftheSea | I got nothing |
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| 17:30.22 | prixon` | so I should just throw away this usb stick? that's sad.. |
| 17:30.30 | simonlnu | bad connection? bad stick? |
| 17:31.00 | simonlnu | try another port maybe |
| 17:31.23 | cusco | prixon`: shred /dev/sdb -v |
| 17:31.27 | cusco | prixon`: shred /dev/sdb -v -z -n 1 |
| 17:31.31 | cusco | then format it |
| 17:31.39 | cusco | use cfdisk and mkfs or so |
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| 17:32.51 | simonlnu | that should do fine if it's just the "surface" |
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| 17:33.54 | HeXiLeD | any ideas about this error: http://dpaste.com/781858/ ? |
| 17:34.06 | HeXiLeD | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:34.57 | prixon` | what is the command for formatting with cfdisk? |
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| 17:35.01 | Rix- | Hi.im installing debian and partitioning - ive set / and home but cant set swap - 1gb left and it says unusable |
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| 17:35.18 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: which boot loader is this system using at present? |
| 17:35.37 | HeXiLeD | i am just looking at it right now and i dont see grub installed... 1 sec |
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| 17:37.05 | jelly-home | Rix-: that usually means you already have 4 primary partitions instead of making some logical |
| 17:37.34 | HeXiLeD | found the problem i think. this is a tri boot system grub is only installed for the main distro which is not debian. |
| 17:38.39 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: righto. So run your grub from over there, and purge any remaining grub* packages in Debian |
| 17:38.41 | cusco | prixon`: you can use gparted, its easier |
| 17:39.09 | jelly-home | HeXiLeD: dpkg -l grub\* | grep -v ^.n |
| 17:39.18 | Rix- | I had 2 primary ntfs and made / primary and gome logical |
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| 17:39.46 | prixon` | sorry, got d/c |
| 17:39.47 | Rix- | And cant create logical swap |
| 17:40.14 | prixon` | cusco, I tried mkfs /dev/sdb, and got this: mkfs.ext2: Device size reported to be zero. Invalid partition specified, or |
| 17:40.14 | prixon` | partition table wasn't reread after running fdisk, due to |
| 17:40.15 | prixon` | a modified partition being busy and in use. You may need to reboot |
| 17:40.15 | prixon` | to re-read your partition table. |
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| 17:40.27 | jelly-home | Rix-: 's weird, are you sure the partition to be used for /home mountpoint is logical? |
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| 17:40.41 | Rix- | Also there was third ntfs primary but i've deleted it |
| 17:40.50 | Rix- | Yes |
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| 17:41.05 | prixon` | sorry for that |
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| 17:42.14 | ManoftheSea | prixon`: yeah, if it can't detect sdb properly, I doubt you'll be able to use it. |
| 17:42.22 | ManoftheSea | Also, you don't run mkfs on /dev/sdb... |
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| 17:42.35 | Rix- | But strangely there were 2 unallocated spaces to make partition from /1 hd/ |
| 17:42.36 | ManoftheSea | you would partition it, normally |
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| 17:47.04 | Rix- | Tried / primary and logcal swap and again cant create home - unusable |
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| 17:48.02 | ManoftheSea | Rix, would you pastebin your full disk layout? |
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| 17:51.27 | jelly-home | Rix-: you will have to shuffle things around, delete and recreate partitions until all the logical ones can be placed in a contiguous free space |
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| 17:51.52 | Rix- | Cant right now-im intalling and im in irc using phone.its like that:11gb free then 2 ntfs then 10gb free.ive just tried creating logical / in first unalloc 11gb then i cant choose logical at the 10gb unalloc |
| 17:52.17 | triyo | How do I install experimental packages in Debian? |
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| 17:52.25 | triyo | I wish to install http://packages.debian.org/experimental/haskell/ghc |
| 17:52.32 | triyo | ghc (7.4.2-1) |
| 17:52.34 | Rix- | Logicals cant be separated i guess |
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| 17:52.54 | triyo | I've tried: apt-get -t experimental install <pkg-name> |
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| 17:53.14 | ManoftheSea | Rix: right |
| 17:53.20 | Rix- | If i move ntfs at the begining wil i loose files? |
| 17:53.28 | ManoftheSea | You can have 3 primary and a logical, or you can have 4 primary |
| 17:53.34 | ManoftheSea | Where the logical can hold multiple. |
| 17:53.38 | ManoftheSea | But it must be contiguous. |
| 17:53.39 | triyo | Hmm, I missed a step it seems. Adding to sources.list |
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| 17:53.56 | ManoftheSea | Rix: it depends on the tool. you might *lose* files, but you won't *loose* them. |
| 17:54.01 | Rix- | Is moving partitins dangerous |
| 17:54.08 | Rix- | Ok tx |
| 17:54.10 | ManoftheSea | I believe most tools that do the job are safe, these days. |
| 17:54.18 | ManoftheSea | If you have gparted, it should work. |
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| 17:54.31 | ManoftheSea | However, if the partitions are renumbered, some boot sequences may need to be fixed. |
| 17:54.38 | ManoftheSea | (such as grub, windows, etc) |
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| 17:55.12 | Rix- | Ty |
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| 18:04.36 | linduxed | hey guys, i've plugged in my computer to my TV and the picture is fine, except that the borders are cut off. the main mode for HDMI1 that i get when i type "xrandr" without any arguments is "1920x1080 60.0*+ 50.0 30.0 25.0 24.0 25.0 30.0" |
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| 18:05.05 | linduxed | i don't know xrandr very well, but i'd guess that those numbers after *+ are the ones that should be zeroed somehow |
| 18:05.18 | linduxed | i can't figure out how to do that however |
| 18:05.28 | Diopter | linduxed: No. Those are the possible vertical refresh rates. |
| 18:05.51 | Diopter | linduxed: Try "xrandr --output HDMI1 --auto", see if it changes anything for you. If not, you Probably just need to adjust your HDTV. |
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| 18:07.16 | linduxed | hmmm, that didn't help |
| 18:07.28 | linduxed | i'll try looking around in the TV settings |
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| 18:07.46 | Diopter | linduxed: Look for aspect ratio, zoom, overlay, format, things like that |
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| 18:08.41 | linduxed | THERE we go |
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| 18:08.53 | linduxed | turns out it was a setting in the TV |
| 18:09.04 | Diopter | nods |
| 18:09.28 | linduxed | thanks for pointing out a different train of thought |
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| 18:09.53 | linduxed | i was all set on it being an error in my settings :-/ |
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| 18:14.19 | jelly-home | linduxed: which TV brand and model? |
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| 18:14.26 | bfig | hey, i'm having trouble with my mic on wheezy 64bit, i believe the problem is related to the fact that i register two cards (one hdmi and the other for regular io) and that's making some trouble. i can hear sound just fine, but the mic is not responding, although the problem is between alsa and the hardware |
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| 18:14.55 | jelly-home | linduxed: a related rant http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/8705.html |
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| 18:15.29 | jagginess | jelly-home, get a life. |
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| 18:15.54 | jelly-home | on a Sunday? I'm waiting for the outside temp to fall below 30 |
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| 18:19.53 | format_c | Is there a CLI tool for paste.debian.net available? |
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| 18:20.19 | format_c | ah just found |
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| 18:25.31 | jenkman | hello |
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| 18:27.06 | linduxed | jelly-home: samsung, don't remember the model name |
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| 18:29.16 | SiDz | i want my ps aux, when does by a user, reply only they're process. how can i do that? |
| 18:29.25 | SiDz | but when it's root, it show everything |
| 18:29.34 | jelly-home | that first comment then, http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/8705.html?thread=245761#cmt245761 ... my LG just needed the HDMI input to be designated as PC |
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| 18:30.20 | Byan | hey guys, do any of you know how to get wget or curl to download save a file with the correct filename? |
| 18:30.33 | Byan | wget just grabs the end of the url, which isn't right |
| 18:30.44 | linduxed | jelly-home: holy shit |
| 18:30.51 | linduxed | jelly-home: that's a trainwreck |
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| 18:31.05 | graytron | Byan: and "curl -O URL"? |
| 18:31.12 | Byan | graytron: doesn't work. |
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| 18:31.37 | Byan | for instance if I am download a file getfile.php?s=3244 |
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| 18:31.48 | jelly-home | yeah. Mine still does sharpening but at the pixels are in their rightful place |
| 18:31.48 | Byan | it'll save it as getfile.php?s=3244 instead of MyFile.txt |
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| 18:35.14 | graytron | Byan: i never found a solution to that problem |
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| 18:36.09 | smv_ | is there any info about systemd integration in wheezy? will it be the default init? |
| 18:36.23 | pandaubuntu | hi i have a small problem, i don't find /etc/nsswitch.conf, base-files is installed and i use wheezy 64 bit |
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| 18:37.07 | Byan | graytron: it's such a widespread problem, you think it'd be fixed by now =x |
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| 18:40.01 | pandaubuntu | help? |
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| 18:40.20 | WebDawg | I am just loving this: http://www.rootdamnit.eu/2012/06/07/xen-and-debian-6-xm-new-returns-error/ |
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| 18:40.36 | WebDawg | pandaubuntu, do you have the package installed that uses that file? |
| 18:40.46 | tomreyn | pandaubuntu: maybe it's realted to your nickname that you're not getting help ;-) |
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| 18:41.13 | tomreyn | you also haven't really explained why it would be an issue that this file is not present |
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| 18:42.02 | WebDawg | pandaubuntu, what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:42.36 | pandaubuntu | i don't think, also i use only wirless connection, if i don't miss is used only for ethernet |
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| 18:42.57 | jelly-home | Byan: search for --trust-server-names in wget's manual |
| 18:43.07 | pandaubuntu | I'm trying to build debian using only the package and dpkg |
| 18:43.42 | pandaubuntu | The experiment is going very well but with some minor defect |
| 18:43.51 | bfig | hey, i'm having trouble with my mic on wheezy 64bit, i believe the problem is related to the fact that i register two cards (one hdmi and the other for regular io) and that's making some trouble. i can hear sound just fine, but the mic is not responding, although the problem is between alsa and the hardware. Any ideas of how can i test and find where the problem is? all the previous info is mostly hunches |
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| 18:44.40 | sneex | can you diconnect one? |
| 18:44.44 | Byan | jelly-home: that did something.. but not what I wanted |
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| 18:44.45 | jelly-home | pandaubuntu: debootstrap was invented to avoid that experiment |
| 18:44.45 | Byan | (weird) |
| 18:44.49 | sneex | disconnect* |
| 18:44.59 | pandaubuntu | tomreyn: my nikname is related to the name of two of my animals are named panda and ubuntu |
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| 18:46.17 | tomreyn | pandaubuntu: sorry then, and those are nice animal names. :-) |
| 18:46.30 | tomreyn | i wonder which type of animal 'panda' is |
| 18:46.45 | pandaubuntu | jelly-home: but it's more funny :) is like Linux from scratch but whitout compilation (i called it Linux by Deb, LBD) |
| 18:46.48 | jelly-home | pandaubuntu: grep -R nsswitch.conf /var/lib/dpkg/info/ suggests libc-bin |
| 18:46.59 | pandaubuntu | are ferrets |
| 18:47.54 | jelly-home | pandaubuntu: funny, but how useful? I regularly use debootstrap to bring up a debian chroot on RHEL |
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| 18:48.48 | Byan | so frustrating |
| 18:48.49 | jelly-home | Byan: so what did it exactly do? Can you pastebin the full command line and its output? |
| 18:49.04 | jelly-home | and your expected results |
| 18:49.22 | pandaubuntu | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/C683QhPH |
| 18:49.36 | Byan | hrm, I'll need to find an example file to download.. |
| 18:49.57 | jelly-home | pandaubuntu: now see, if I were you, that line 14 would be interesting |
| 18:50.24 | jelly-home | well, line 12 as well |
| 18:51.11 | jelly-home | Byan: I won't care if it's horse pron |
| 18:51.21 | pandaubuntu | so if I link /usr/share/base-files/nsswitch.conf to /etc/nsswitch.conf it'll be okay? |
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| 18:51.37 | Byan | jelly-home: it's not a public url |
| 18:51.39 | Byan | anyway |
| 18:51.42 | jelly-home | pandaubuntu: no, jsut figure out why the postinst avoids doing that |
| 18:51.54 | Byan | all I did was wget --trust-server-names myurl |
| 18:52.07 | Byan | nothing to really screw up |
| 18:52.55 | pandaubuntu | so what i do? |
| 18:54.38 | Byan | jelly-home: interestingly, it does work some places. |
| 18:54.45 | Byan | just not the place I want it to |
| 18:54.47 | Byan | hmmmmm |
| 18:56.28 | jelly-home | pandaubuntu: well, did the packages you installed so far got configured? |
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| 18:59.32 | linduxed | omg.... |
| 18:59.51 | linduxed | i've finally figured out what settings i need to have on the TV to get the entire picture |
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| 19:00.16 | linduxed | i've figured out how to make the screen place itself to the right of my laptop screen |
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| 19:00.28 | linduxed | but the video and audio was still flickering |
| 19:00.44 | linduxed | so i thought "hmmm this TV is supposed to go at 60Hz" |
| 19:01.03 | linduxed | maybe there's an issue of some sort, i'll go down a level, to 50Hz |
| 19:01.08 | linduxed | still flickers |
| 19:01.27 | linduxed | so this thing had to go all the way down to 30Hz before it works as it should :-S |
| 19:01.42 | jelly-home | so now it does 60i and is happy |
| 19:02.17 | linduxed | oh, so it could be that it's an i-TV not a p-TV ? |
| 19:02.24 | jelly-home | heh |
| 19:02.45 | Ephexeve | Hey guys what's the difference between bash and zsh? |
| 19:02.47 | linduxed | that would suck... especially since it's written 1080p on the front of it |
| 19:02.57 | jelly-home | I've bought the cheapest one that could do 100Hz because I hate flickering of any kind |
| 19:02.58 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: try both and decide for yourself |
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| 19:03.29 | jenev | hello |
| 19:03.48 | linduxed | Ephexeve: zsh is quite different, more extensible i'd say |
| 19:03.55 | jenev | does debian come with the proprietary nvidia drivers or nouveau? |
| 19:04.06 | jenev | and if it doesn't how can i get it? |
| 19:04.06 | Ephexeve | nkuttler: linduxed Hmm, just install and done? or in debian you might have some "problems" |
| 19:04.09 | jelly-home | Ephexeve: similar featureset, bash is more popular, zsh has more obscure modules and some neat keypress-saving features |
| 19:04.09 | Ephexeve | using squeeze btw |
| 19:04.18 | nkuttler | jenev: both |
| 19:04.19 | linduxed | Ephexeve: no problems, just install |
| 19:04.23 | nkuttler | !tell jenev about nvidia |
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| 19:04.42 | linduxed | Ephexeve: there's a lot of stuff you can do with zsh when you're up and running with it |
| 19:04.49 | jenev | nkuttler, really? |
| 19:04.53 | nkuttler | Ephexeve: you can install both, no problems |
| 19:04.59 | jenev | so which one is used defaultly? |
| 19:05.01 | Ephexeve | linduxed: Nice, looks good, I am reading some reviews and stuff, looks cool |
| 19:05.02 | jelly-home | Ephexeve: eg. recursive listing of mp3 files newer than 7 days: ls -l **/*mp3(.m-7) |
| 19:05.11 | nkuttler | jenev: nvidia is non-free, so it's not officially in debian |
| 19:05.12 | Ephexeve | jelly-home: oooooh |
| 19:05.32 | Ephexeve | in bash a error, hmm I see |
| 19:05.38 | jelly-home | that's for zsh |
| 19:05.51 | jenev | nkuttler, but it can be installed right? |
| 19:05.56 | linduxed | Ephexeve: zsh has a lot of stuff rewritten to its purpose |
| 19:06.05 | linduxed | Ephexeve: for instance, it doesn't use readline |
| 19:06.07 | nkuttler | jenev: ... yes |
| 19:06.15 | Ephexeve | linduxed: ? |
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| 19:06.33 | linduxed | Ephexeve: if you don't understand what i just said, don't worry |
| 19:06.39 | Ephexeve | linduxed: No I did |
| 19:06.45 | Ephexeve | I wonder what it uses then |
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| 19:06.59 | jelly-home | ncurses! |
| 19:07.08 | linduxed | Ephexeve: they built their own system |
| 19:07.17 | Ephexeve | linduxed: Nice |
| 19:07.21 | Ephexeve | very nice |
| 19:07.23 | jelly-home | Depends: [...] libtinfo5 |
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| 19:07.28 | jenev | nkuttler, is it better than nouveau? |
| 19:07.37 | Ephexeve | the env are all set up? Or there are stuff which I need to config myself? |
| 19:07.50 | jelly-home | jenev: sometimes it is better, yes. |
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| 19:08.07 | jelly-home | if nouveau works for you, you can keep using it |
| 19:08.13 | nkuttler | jenev: works for me |
| 19:08.34 | nkuttler | fwiw, i never got dual head to work under nv or nouveau |
| 19:08.44 | jelly-home | nvidia can make Xorg or kernels less stable at times |
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| 19:09.10 | jenev | i see |
| 19:09.16 | jenev | well thanks for the help |
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| 19:09.52 | jelly-home | nkuttler: wfm with nvidia-settings for the non-free driver, and the usual xrandr way for nouveau, up to two screens. |
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| 19:10.27 | nkuttler | jelly-home: interesting. haven't tried for a long while |
| 19:10.29 | jelly-home | latest nvidia drivers have xrandr API as well |
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| 19:12.34 | Diopter | jelly-home: It's a crazy API, though. |
| 19:12.59 | jelly-home | yeah, but defacto standard |
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| 19:13.19 | Diopter | Not at all straightforward, and you'll really need the "nv-control-dpy" binary from the nvidia-settings source |
| 19:13.32 | jelly-home | xrandr --output HDMI-0 --right-of DVI-I-1 --auto worksforme |
| 19:13.33 | Diopter | To create and interact with xrandr metamodes |
| 19:13.50 | Diopter | ... wat? On the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
| 19:14.00 | Diopter | OR did you mean nouveau when you said "latest nvidia drivers" |
| 19:14.06 | jelly-home | nvidia 302.x - 304.x |
| 19:14.33 | jelly-home | lots of fixes in there, so I tend to get the latest from experimental |