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| 00:01.51 | Skeeter- | BTRFS or EXT4 for 20tb of data? |
| 00:02.13 | dvs | It depends how valuable the data is. |
| 00:02.29 | Skeeter- | nzb |
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| 00:04.21 | Skeeter- | why valuable? |
| 00:04.39 | dvs | Because btrfs is still in the testing stage |
| 00:04.52 | Skeeter- | stable for wheezy? |
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| 00:05.26 | dvs | Skeeter-: no. It's not stable in the kernel yet. |
| 00:05.39 | Skeeter- | there's an fcsk tho |
| 00:05.56 | abrotman | oh bonus .. it's got more than reiserfs |
| 00:06.03 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:08.47 | aguitel | how enable tap in my notebook running wheezy ? |
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| 00:11.44 | chaddy | by tap do you mean hdaps, aguitel? |
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| 00:12.20 | chaddy | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/HDAPS#Input_device_support |
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| 00:14.42 | aguitel | chaddy, tap with mouse |
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| 00:16.33 | chaddy | by mouse do you mean trackpad, aguitel? |
| 00:16.45 | aguitel | yes |
| 00:17.09 | chaddy | http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 00:17.16 | chaddy | possibly |
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| 00:19.01 | Anthro | OT: Can anyone offer any useful advice on whether to use GnuTLS or OpenSSL for a new project? |
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| 00:20.45 | cyberpunkarch | i'm gonna reinstall debian with wheezy |
| 00:21.00 | cyberpunkarch | squeeze not working at all good with my graphics |
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| 00:21.14 | abrotman | !tell Anthro about why gnutls |
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| 00:27.13 | Anthro | abrotman: Okay, good information. Are there any technical reasons to choose one over the other? I don't have a problem including an OpenSSL exception clause in my license, if necessary. |
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| 00:29.26 | cyberpunkarch | on wheezy the free opensource xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1.6.15.4-5 has my card supported CAICOS |
| 00:29.56 | cyberpunkarch | so wheezy it is eh |
| 00:29.58 | cyberpunkarch | :P |
| 00:30.11 | gnarface | cyberpunkarch: i recommend just upgrading to wheezy if that's what you're gonna do |
| 00:30.22 | gnarface | cyberpunkarch: but i also recommend you read this: |
| 00:30.30 | gnarface | dpkg tell cyberpunkarch about squeeze->wheezy |
| 00:30.31 | cyberpunkarch | i didnt upgrade it |
| 00:30.45 | cyberpunkarch | i'm gonna do a clean installation |
| 00:31.03 | gnarface | cyberpunkarch: alright good luck with that |
| 00:31.35 | cyberpunkarch | wipe out my 500gb seagate sata.. put a fresh clean copy .. and just install xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 00:31.57 | cyberpunkarch | because wheezy gots my card supported CAICOS |
| 00:32.22 | cyberpunkarch | what is it better to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy |
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| 00:32.57 | cyberpunkarch | ill watch this utube video haha |
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| 00:33.04 | cyberpunkarch | im a bit stone here man so dont mind me :P |
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| 00:33.44 | gnarface | cyberpunkarch: keep it together. need to focus. its better to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy because then you don't have to debug the wheezy installer too |
| 00:34.47 | gnarface | cyberpunkarch: that's just my advice. did you check backports already to see if that version of xserver-xort-video-radeon is already available for squeeze as a backport? |
| 00:35.08 | cyberpunkarch | didnt work |
| 00:35.12 | cyberpunkarch | to much errors |
| 00:35.22 | cyberpunkarch | i got a site here to upgrade squeeze |
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| 00:35.33 | cyberpunkarch | i just cancel the iso download lol |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | Anthro: it's not your decision to make IIRC |
| 00:35.45 | cyberpunkarch | save me alot of time just upgrading it |
| 00:35.52 | cyberpunkarch | gonna edit my sources.list |
| 00:36.37 | cyberpunkarch | shit |
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| 00:36.55 | cyberpunkarch | thats true i deleted the partition |
| 00:36.58 | cyberpunkarch | fuck im so stupid |
| 00:37.06 | cyberpunkarch | gaaaaaaah |
| 00:37.07 | dvs | !pal cyberpunkarch |
| 00:37.07 | dpkg | points at cyberpunkarch and laughs hysterically |
| 00:37.16 | cyberpunkarch | LULZ |
| 00:39.24 | Anthro | abrotman: Say what? I'm talking about a brand new project. I can license it however I want. |
| 00:39.29 | Sanjuro | cant seem to get flash player to work with this new install, video window just comes up black |
| 00:40.13 | abrotman | Anthro: ISTR the problem is you cannot link to openssl without *their* permission |
| 00:40.32 | abrotman | ah . if your project is GPL, right |
| 00:40.34 | pparadis | abrotman: that sounds like an open and shut case for gnutls. |
| 00:40.56 | Anthro | abrotman: Er, that's not my reading of the links dpkg sent me. As long as I follow the obnoxious advertisement clause, it's fine. |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | Anthro: if you don't require openssl, i'd go with gnutls, lots of large projects use it |
| 00:41.55 | Anthro | abrotman: Yeah, I'm starting to lean toward it. I'd really like a better understanding of how the APIs compare, but I think that will only come from a deep dive. I don't have time to start that just yet. |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | Anthro: you're right, it's been a long time since i've read those |
| 00:44.30 | cyberpunkarch | so i'm gonna reinstall squeeze and just upgrade it better a clean fresh system :] so yeah i have to do this all over again :P |
| 00:44.52 | cyberpunkarch | cheers |
| 00:44.57 | dvs | why? |
| 00:46.34 | chaddy | too dim to DL a wheezy .iso is my bet |
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| 00:52.48 | Gargantua | Hi |
| 00:53.13 | Gargantua | Xorg is using 10% cpu on various wm's, these were done while moving a single terminal window with top running in it: fluxbox: %50~, openbox %60~, gnome+metacity: %50, gnome+compiz (surprisingly) %9. |
| 00:53.28 | Gargantua | glxinfo | grep render says I'm using direct rendering, no mention of software rendering. glxgears gives me 500~ fps. |
| 00:53.33 | Gargantua | http://bpaste.net/show/38767 here's my xorg.conf |
| 00:53.41 | Gargantua | Anything look odd? |
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| 00:54.48 | Zekritek | Hello all Linux user. I make my distribution based LFS... I want hide message kernel linux because i don't want print information of my usb key when i put in. Yes too when i write "ifconfig wlan0 up" => "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" and i don't want print information kernel on my shell !!! Please help me good user linux, thanks. |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | Zekritek: which distro is this? |
| 00:55.37 | Zekritek | Linux from scratch customized for me. |
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| 00:55.46 | abrotman | Zekritek: this channel is for Debian support, try ##linux |
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| 00:56.12 | Zekritek | Can't send to room "##linux" on "irc.freenode.net" |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | not our problem |
| 00:56.23 | Gargantua | Zekritek: identify. |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | you're offtopic here, we support Debian |
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| 00:57.21 | erob | what do you do when a client stole u perl code ? |
| 00:57.48 | Diopter | erob: Stole? Like, physically? |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | oh come on .. #debian ... |
| 00:57.56 | Diopter | Also, way off-topic :P |
| 00:58.02 | erob | lol |
| 00:58.03 | erob | yeah |
| 00:58.08 | erob | true |
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| 00:58.39 | erob | u know, u deliver something, then they start the complaints as excuses for not paying u |
| 00:58.40 | Diopter | Zekritek: The manual way to do what you want is to use setlogcons |
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| 00:58.48 | abrotman | Diopter: go to ##linux |
| 00:59.02 | abrotman | erob: you're offotpic here, use #defocus, #debian-offtopic, or anywhere else |
| 00:59.21 | erob | whatever i just speak my heart out |
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| 00:59.28 | pparadis | erob: really man, take it |
| 00:59.30 | pparadis | never mind |
| 00:59.36 | abrotman | erob: you're offtopic here, go somewhere else, thank you |
| 00:59.43 | Zekritek | Thanks Dioper, thanks Debian/Linux/GNU. |
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| 01:00.37 | aguitel | abrotman, how enable touchpad in my netbook running kde? |
| 01:00.52 | abrotman | aguitel: the touchpad works, you want to enable the tap ? |
| 01:01.03 | abrotman | aguitel: wheezy? squeeze? |
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| 01:01.22 | Gargantua | "disable kernel modesetting with the boot parameter nomodeset." what does this do? |
| 01:01.31 | aguitel | abrotman, tap in wheezy |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | aguitel: pretty sure you can use gsynaptics |
| 01:02.10 | aguitel | abramart, what is this |
| 01:02.24 | Diopter | synclient |
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| 01:08.17 | wilee-nilee | !nomodeset |
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| 01:09.05 | wilee-nilee | Gargantua, it basically disables graphics so you can get booted. |
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| 01:12.36 | Amfy | why does debian can't see/access the software raid created by centos? arghh |
| 01:12.38 | aguitel | abramart, gsynaptics work in kde ? |
| 01:13.18 | abrotman | aguitel: have you tried it? |
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| 01:14.02 | aguitel | abrotman, i installed but i dont know where is it |
| 01:14.14 | pparadis | aguitel: try running "synaptic" |
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| 01:16.42 | pparadis | aguitel: fyi, it's located at /usr/sbin/synaptic |
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| 01:17.48 | aguitel | pparadis, i am talking about gsynaptics |
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| 01:18.25 | chaddy | issue `which gsynaptics` then run that |
| 01:18.43 | pparadis | aguitel: i see, sorry, i thought you had typod "synaptic" |
| 01:19.03 | colock | well |
| 01:19.13 | pparadis | huh: "Package to ease upgrading from gsynaptics to gpointing-device-settings. Reason for this is that gsynaptics is not compatible with recent Xservers and upstream now develops gpointing-device-settings instead." |
| 01:19.16 | colock | . `which gsynaptics` == gsynaptics |
| 01:19.29 | pparadis | " This package can be purged at anytime once the gpointing-device-settings package has been installed." |
| 01:21.44 | chaddy | it actually equals full path to gsynaptics, colock |
| 01:21.53 | colock | . |
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| 01:23.17 | colock | oh . only for shell files, would have been something like sh -c instead |
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| 01:45.00 | gnarface | does xlock still crash the commercial nvidia driver if you let it use any of the 3d plugins ? |
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| 02:09.21 | stevieman | I'm having a problem configuring danted 1.3.2. I run ./configure and everything seems to go ok but there is no make file. |
| 02:09.43 | abrotman | did you read the INSTALL doc? is there supposed to be one? |
| 02:10.23 | stevieman | abrotman, Yes, it says to run ./configure and then 'make' |
| 02:11.23 | sney | "everything seems to go ok" there aren't any missing dependencies? no checking for libpoop x.y .......... no |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | stevieman: which version? creates the make file here |
| 02:12.40 | stevieman | sney, well there are no error messages when ./configure ends, I thought if there were missing deps they would list whn |
| 02:12.46 | stevieman | when they are hit |
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| 02:13.08 | abrotman | i downloaded http://www.inet.no/dante/files/dante-1.3.2.tar.gz .. ./configure && make .. runs fine |
| 02:13.09 | stevieman | abrotman, 1.3.2 |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | not a problem |
| 02:13.27 | sney | any odd permissions on the working directory that might prevent autofoo from generating the makefile |
| 02:13.28 | stevieman | abrotman, let me try that |
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| 02:14.23 | stevieman | abrotman, I get this message again -bash: make: command not found |
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| 02:14.57 | stevieman | sney, root has rw and I am logged in as root |
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| 02:15.18 | abrotman | stevieman: uhm .. did you install the build-essential package? |
| 02:15.45 | stevieman | abrotman, I'm going to say no |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | i'm going to say you should :) |
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| 02:18.37 | stevieman | abrotman, you rock |
| 02:18.58 | abrotman | I am a rock |
| 02:19.19 | abrotman | I am an island |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | stevieman: all good? |
| 02:20.00 | stevieman | abrotman, yes, make ran and so did make install |
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| 02:20.19 | stevieman | hopefully 1.3.2 is a bit more stable then 1.1.9 |
| 02:22.23 | sney | I'm surprised configure worked without build-essential. Normally it would die on not finding a compiler |
| 02:23.45 | stevieman | sney, well it would have been nice if it had because then I might have had a clue as to what to do next :) |
| 02:23.46 | simonlnu | couldn't even find make ;) |
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| 02:29.27 | abrotman | stevieman: you may want to ask the developer if the configure script shuld be checking for a valid make binary ? |
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| 02:41.27 | stevieman | abrotman, I'll sned them a message about that |
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| 02:52.01 | klys | reooting to newly configured kernel |
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| 02:52.45 | abrotman | wants to be evil |
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| 02:54.01 | sneex | I wonder if the apt link and conf files are ok this weekly spin >< |
| 02:54.11 | abrotman | hopes not |
| 02:54.32 | sneex | why ? Last two spins they were broke :P |
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| 03:07.31 | sioux_ | how can i build some little ISO, that it possible auto run some shell script automatically when start |
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| 03:09.49 | pparadis | sioux_: you might try ##linux |
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| 03:10.04 | sioux_ | ok ;) |
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| 03:25.42 | somiaj | sioux_: genisoimage will create iso images (read the man page). Now if you want autorun scripts, you best think about the os/computer that will run this. For instance some people turn off all the autorun stuff and there really isn't a way around that. |
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| 03:53.18 | OutOfLine | pressing <RETURN> on a url i get 'Cannot open load file: w3'. how do i fix that? (wheezy, w3m-el-snapshot) |
| 03:54.07 | OutOfLine | GNU Emacs 23.4.1 |
| 03:55.14 | Diopter | OutOfLine: Might want to try the non-snapshot version |
| 03:55.34 | OutOfLine | maybe, yes |
| 03:55.57 | Rusty1 | /join #emacs ? |
| 03:57.20 | OutOfLine | Rusty1: absolutely. I just noticed my ECHAN and startet typing in an excuse ;) |
| 03:58.00 | OutOfLine | meanwhile thanks to both |
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| 04:02.57 | gnarface | anyone recommend any good howto on using a wifi card as a wifi access point in debian? |
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| 04:04.15 | TriJetScud | gnarface: atheros |
| 04:04.29 | gnarface | TriJetScud: how to do it not which card to use |
| 04:04.50 | pparadis | gnarface: try googling for "debian wifi master mode" |
| 04:04.51 | TriJetScud | oh, generic wise, you just set your card into master mode in iwconfig |
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| 04:05.05 | TriJetScud | iirc it's iwconfig wl0 mode master |
| 04:05.08 | TriJetScud | or something like that |
| 04:05.16 | TriJetScud | <- hasn't done any linux wifi in years |
| 04:05.25 | pparadis | it's a tad more involved than just that, but yes, master mode is required :) |
| 04:05.45 | pparadis | btw, some wifi chipsets will stubbornly refuse to be set to master mode. |
| 04:05.57 | OutOfLine | Rusty1: #erc is not too active |
| 04:06.05 | TriJetScud | pparadis: heh, most atheros do allow master mode |
| 04:06.31 | TriJetScud | but then again I use debian for my server boxes, nothing else |
| 04:06.54 | pparadis | there was someone here maybe a month ago with some chipset that wouldn't do it, can't remember which one, but it wasn't an entirely uncommon chipset. |
| 04:07.06 | TriJetScud | heh |
| 04:07.32 | pparadis | more than likely it was some broadcom piece of crap. |
| 04:07.49 | Diopter | hostapd is what you want |
| 04:08.01 | Diopter | gnarface: hostapd, rather |
| 04:08.20 | Diopter | Most chipsets *won't* do master mode. |
| 04:08.21 | pparadis | gnarface: here's a tutorial written for etch, should apply decently now (i haven't read through it yet) --> http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/hostapd/hostap.html |
| 04:08.32 | Diopter | The hostapd site has a list |
| 04:08.55 | pparadis | Diopter: nod, that was my impression the last few times i saw anybody asking about it anywhere. |
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| 04:09.14 | Diopter | I've had a Realtek succeed at it, and some Atheros |
| 04:10.49 | gnarface | Diopter, pparadis, thanks |
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| 04:12.20 | gnarface | Diopter: i'd be using lucent/orinoco gold cards that have been used for this purpose before, just that i didn't set it up that time |
| 04:12.56 | Diopter | Nice. |
| 04:13.01 | gnarface | Diopter: is it possible that if they do not support master mode that in the past i had done this via some other mode? like ad-hoc or something? |
| 04:13.06 | Diopter | So not remotely SOHO stoofs |
| 04:13.16 | Diopter | Um... unlikely without special config on the client end |
| 04:13.34 | gnarface | oh |
| 04:13.38 | gnarface | so they probably do support master mode then |
| 04:13.48 | gnarface | they're pretty old |
| 04:13.51 | gnarface | ? |
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| 04:14.35 | pparadis | gnarface: what does "lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet" have to say about the exact hardware you're using? |
| 04:14.52 | sney | I second the half-ass endorsement for atheros nics re: hostap |
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| 04:16.25 | gnarface | pparadis: uh... not in this machine. pcmcia cards |
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| 04:18.43 | pparadis | gnarface: heh, lspcmcia then :) |
| 04:19.00 | pparadis | (pccardctl ls) |
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| 04:24.12 | nsadmin | for two slots? |
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| 04:25.37 | Diopter | PCMCIA -- People Can Make Completely Inane Acronyms |
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| 04:26.16 | gnarface | pparadis: confirmed orinoco_cs (i have two marked as the "gold" version of this card though clearly from different subrevisions because of different stickers) |
| 04:27.00 | gnarface | nsadmin: i don't know that i can fit them both into adjacent slots, i might have to get creative |
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| 04:32.08 | pparadis | gnarface: pcmcia extender card? |
| 04:32.27 | gnarface | pparadis: ... well i have 2 more of these old laptops... |
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| 05:09.53 | alexey_knyshev | Hi, can anyone help me with dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 05:13.41 | gnarface | dpkg, tell alexey_knyshev about anyone |
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| 05:15.00 | piousminion | How can I start a program as a specific user on reboot? I used to use vixie-cron's @reboot, but that doesn't look like an option in debian anymore. |
| 05:17.23 | piousminion | Unfortunately I can't find any information on using "@reboot" with anacron so I have no rightly clue what the "Debian way" of doing this is. |
| 05:17.45 | ferni | put someting like /etc/rc.local: su - username -c "command" |
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| 05:33.13 | owen1 | debian 6.0.4. what's the best way to upgrade my system? i see in the man page 'update', 'safe-upgrade' and 'full-upgrade' but not sure which one should i use. |
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| 05:34.36 | gnarface | owen1: what specfically wasn't answered on the man page descriptions? |
| 05:36.11 | piousminion | ferni: IS /etc/rc.local the "debian way" way of doing this? |
| 05:36.32 | gnarface | owen1: i recommend you use update first then safe-upgrade |
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| 05:37.06 | gnarface | piousminion: no, the "debian" way is to make a proper init script, however if you don't care about that and just want to make sure the command runs on every boot, rc.local will be sufficient (make sure you have the initscripts package installed) |
| 05:37.31 | gnarface | piousminion: i don't really understand why you'd ever use cron for this |
| 05:37.58 | gnarface | q |
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| 05:40.57 | piousminion | gnarface: if cron supports "@reboot", why wouldn't it be a viable option for non-priveledged users to start something on boot? I mean, how else would they if they can't edit anything in /etc ? |
| 05:42.12 | piousminion | Also, I'm certainly open to creating an init script, but I'm unclear as to the standard way of telling it to start the daemon as a specific user. |
| 05:42.29 | owen1 | gnarface: ok. i'll try reading the man page again. thanks for the tip |
| 05:43.17 | gnarface | owen1: since the info on "update" references the apt-get manpage you should take a quick glance there too |
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| 05:43.52 | gnarface | piousminion: i think the point would be that they can't. |
| 05:44.26 | gnarface | piousminion: i still see @reboot mentioned in the man page. you sure it does not work? |
| 05:44.38 | piousminion | gnarface: So you "do" understand why I'd ever use cron for this. :P |
| 05:44.56 | piousminion | gnarface: I am uncertain. man crontab for me doesn't mention @reboot. |
| 05:45.38 | gnarface | piousminion: man 5 crontab |
| 05:45.59 | gnarface | piousminion: perhaps then also man man |
| 05:46.51 | piousminion | Wow, you're an ass. |
| 05:47.15 | gnarface | sorry |
| 05:48.53 | gnarface | the question remains whether you have a reference to reboot in your crontab man page |
| 05:49.09 | gnarface | is it actually missing or did you not look at the right man page? |
| 05:49.41 | gnarface | additionally, piousminion, which version of debian? |
| 05:51.06 | piousminion | My concern at this point is crontab(5) is supplied by cron while anacrontab(5) is supplied by anacron. Correct if wrong, but isn't "cron" a sort of meta package with generic docs that may not apply to anacron? |
| 05:51.22 | piousminion | squeeze |
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| 05:53.07 | gnarface | piousminion: well, first of all, isn't it vixie cron anyway? and seconf of all, i don't know. |
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| 05:54.19 | oops | !tutorial |
| 05:54.19 | dpkg | A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way. |
| 05:54.37 | oops | !Proper Way |
| 05:55.43 | oops | well, I read manuals, documentation, etc. but I want a book kind of thing that teaches me Debian from A to Z. is there any official documentation like that? |
| 05:57.36 | gnarface | piousminion: on my squeeze systems cron does not appear to be a meta-package. it appears to be actually vixie cron. |
| 05:58.53 | piousminion | gnarface: that then solves all my problems. Eroneous package names. grr |
| 05:59.11 | gnarface | oops: do you mean like the new maintainer's guide? |
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| 05:59.15 | gnarface | !nmg |
| 05:59.15 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 05:59.55 | oops | gnarface, more like a Linux guide for debian which would explain me everything from ls, who, etc. to /etc/resolv.conf, crontab, X window system, etc. |
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| 06:09.33 | gnarface | oops: not really sure. oreilly used to have a good book but it might be a bit old now.... the wiki might have some good stuff but i haven't really spent much time digging for such things there.... this might help you (i just googled it up): http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/index.en.html |
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| 06:10.22 | oops | thanks gnarface |
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| 06:27.42 | UltraMC | Hi, why my nvidia dont works: http://pastebin.com/f9SP7mnS |
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| 06:32.58 | chaddy | pastebin is cheap, UltraMC, post the whole log, no errors there |
| 06:33.21 | UltraMC | chaddy, what log you want me to paste, and I like pastebin |
| 06:33.33 | aBound | Hey if I were to install Debian onto my system would I be able to backport both a newer kernel and a few newer packages? |
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| 06:34.34 | chaddy | UltraMC: I think I was clear enough |
| 06:34.47 | UltraMC | chaddy, you are not, what log you ask for? |
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| 06:35.06 | Losowski | aBound: I always compile the latest kernel, obtaining the source code directly from kernel.org...it works very well |
| 06:35.06 | chaddy | the log you pasted without the grep |
| 06:35.52 | aBound | Losowski, Sounds scary using a vanilla kernel. |
| 06:36.09 | Losowski | aBound: Not scary at all, in fact, it's quite normal |
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| 06:36.33 | Losowski | aBound: And it's not a 'vanilla' kernel, it's customized just prior to the compilation process using 'make menuconfig' |
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| 06:36.55 | UltraMC | chaddy, full log :) http://pastebin.com/si8iGaf4 |
| 06:37.01 | aBound | Losowski, Have you tried a mainline kernel before not the ones labeled as 'stable' |
| 06:37.26 | aBound | I'm on Ubuntu was curious to give Debian a try on VBox. |
| 06:37.44 | Losowski | aBound: Here is my kernel info - uname -a: Linux Galicja 3.5.0-git-2d53492-GALICJA-CUSTOM #1 Wed Aug 1 17:38:09 CEST 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 06:38.13 | Losowski | aBound: I'm going to compile the latest 3.6-rc1 today...it's 'mainliine' |
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| 06:38.20 | aBound | That's definitely a new kernel. |
| 06:38.25 | Losowski | aBound: My current kernel is also 'mainline' |
| 06:38.33 | chaddy | all I really see there is that it seems an older version of the driver, UltraMC, perhaps try a newer one; also how is it "not working"? |
| 06:38.40 | Losowski | aBound: And it functions beautifully on my Debian system |
| 06:38.42 | aBound | Losowski, Are there any release notes that you know of for these newer kernels besides the changelog? |
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| 06:38.52 | aBound | Losowski, HA! Making me want to give it a go. |
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| 06:39.27 | Losowski | aBound: What I do is fully review all of the commits on kernel.org, it's the most detailed source of commits and fixes to the Linux kernel |
| 06:39.47 | UltraMC | chaddy, screen behaves as without nvidia driver: when propmted for password screen goes blacker, right? I can see it in like 2fps per second. Youtube lags and cuts fullscreen videos, also Minecraft (JAVA game) not start. |
| 06:39.58 | Losowski | aBound: That provides me with more than ample information about the kernel version I compile |
| 06:40.17 | aBound | Seems I'll give that a go never thought of looking at it that way. |
| 06:40.48 | chaddy | UltraMC: check for a newer driver first |
| 06:41.06 | Losowski | aBound: That's what all of the commit info is there on kernel.org for, for everyone to gather the most updated information |
| 06:41.13 | UltraMC | chaddy, ok |
| 06:41.32 | chaddy | aBound: you might find a stable tree less "racy" than mainline |
| 06:41.53 | aBound | Mainline is definitely bleeding edge but it's always nice to experiment right chaddy. |
| 06:41.59 | aBound | :P |
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| 06:42.21 | Losowski | aBound: Most people don't realize how crucial it is to have the latest kernel with all the latest drivers...you see the difference after using it. |
| 06:42.31 | aBound | I figured an older kernel wouldn't run as efficiently with my newer hardware. |
| 06:42.40 | chaddy | 3.4.7 is enough for me just now |
| 06:42.46 | Losowski | chaddy: I've never had any issue with 'mainline' for the past several years now |
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| 06:43.29 | UltraMC | chaddy, is that new enough? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-302.17-driver.html |
| 06:43.33 | innociv | How do I kill a program when I just know its pidfile? "kill -9 $(cat /path/to/file.pid)"? |
| 06:43.37 | Losowski | aBound: The kernel devs ensure that the latest kernel always function with userspace (and vice versa), and it always works nicely for me |
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| 06:44.01 | chaddy | should be, UltraMC |
| 06:44.27 | UltraMC | chaddy, if I install new drivers, shall I remove old one? |
| 06:44.50 | aBound | Best always to keep an older kernel just in case something should break I presume. |
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| 06:45.15 | chaddy | shouldn't need to, UltraMC |
| 06:45.15 | aBound | Losowski, Yeah man I don't think I could ever go back to Windows unless I had something I needed importantly. |
| 06:45.34 | UltraMC | chaddy, shall I turn off X before upgrading? |
| 06:45.35 | Losowski | aBound: You can always keep the older kernel in /boot for backup, it never hurts, however, I never had the need to go back to an older kernel, ever. |
| 06:45.36 | aBound | Free updates with Linux and can pretty much run on low-end hardware. |
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| 06:46.11 | aBound | Losowski, More or less you're more experienced than me with Debian I could possibly break the system like when I had Ubuntu I did a few reinstalls. :P |
| 06:47.07 | Losowski | aBound: The kernel compilation process is pretty much standard across all Linux distros...'make' 'make modules_install' ,etc |
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| 06:47.32 | Losowski | aBound: I never experienced a broken system with the latest mainline kernel yet |
| 06:47.40 | aBound | Losowski, You're definitely getting me to the point where I might wanna switch. But the only downside is I'll have to figure how to do all the kernel installing and stuff but who knows. |
| 06:47.40 | nevyn | Losowski: make modules_install seriously? |
| 06:47.53 | nevyn | make deb-pkg && dpkg -i ../*.deb |
| 06:47.59 | Losowski | aBound: I'd be glad to walk you through it |
| 06:48.18 | aBound | Losowski, Probably not tonight it's almost midnight for me. |
| 06:48.33 | chaddy | aBound: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en |
| 06:48.35 | Losowski | nevyn: I don't create deb packages when I install my kernel |
| 06:48.54 | nevyn | why not? |
| 06:49.06 | chaddy | much more efficient to do it the Debian way |
| 06:49.11 | nevyn | it's in the mainline make scripts these days? |
| 06:49.17 | aBound | chaddy, Thanks. |
| 06:49.19 | aBound | :P |
| 06:49.27 | Losowski | nevyn: This is the only case I do not create a deb package, is with a kernel compilation...because everything else depends on the kernel, not vice versa |
| 06:49.43 | Losowski | chaddy: I disagree as I have used both methods |
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| 06:49.59 | alexey_knyshev | Hi all! Why I have permission denied when dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot mades step 'make install'? |
| 06:50.31 | nevyn | Losowski: so make-kpkg is now something of a mess.. but make deb-pkg is pretty tidy (other than the o(2n) disk space requirement) |
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| 06:50.50 | Losowski | nevyn: Yes, all of the make scripts are built into the kernel already |
| 06:51.27 | Losowski | nevyn: That's also what a 'Makefile' is for ;) |
| 06:51.57 | Losowski | Every kernel contains the Makefile in it's root directory |
| 06:52.14 | nevyn | yes... |
| 06:52.42 | nevyn | everything else depends on the kernel.. so it's at the bottom of the dependancy tree and you must have a packaged version installed. |
| 06:53.09 | aBound | Thanks for all the information. :) |
| 06:53.16 | aBound | Appreciate it, appreciate it. :P |
| 06:53.30 | aBound | I'm off to wonderland almost time for bed. |
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| 06:54.02 | Losowski | nevyn: It's not true at all...I'm running Debian (and any other Linux distro I use) with an unpackaged Kernel....it doesn't require to be packaged due to the fact the kernel image and initial RAM image are referenced in /boot upon start up |
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| 06:54.27 | Losowski | I also removed the pre-packaged Debian kernel a long time ago |
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| 06:56.07 | Losowski | The only directories affected by the manual Kernel Compilation process are: /boot, /lib/modules, /usr/src...that's it |
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| 06:56.45 | nevyn | dkms |
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| 06:57.02 | sergiu | Hi |
| 06:57.10 | sergiu | does anyone know, wine does use windows files for games |
| 06:57.12 | nevyn | if you package your custom kernel any dkms modules will be rebuilt when you install it. |
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| 06:58.31 | Losowski | nevyn: I personally never had the need for dkms in Debian...my custom kernel functions flawlessly |
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| 06:59.58 | Losowski | Also, the pre-packaged kernel does not include the Kernel Headers in /usr/src...my custom kernel has all of that instantly. It's good to have. I realized, you can install the kernel headers with apt-get, however, I prefer doing it all myself during the compilation process. |
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| 07:00.52 | UltraMC | chaddy, I succeeded, but still I have those graph glitches (like youtube fullscreen lags) |
| 07:01.13 | chaddy | he's not arguing for the pre-packaged kernels, though, he's arguing against your way of building the kernel, Losowski, which is not the Debian way |
| 07:01.33 | nevyn | s/arguing/exploring/g |
| 07:01.38 | chaddy | UltraMC: you may need to reboot |
| 07:01.48 | chaddy | sorry, nevyn, overstated |
| 07:01.53 | chaddy | ;) |
| 07:02.19 | UltraMC | chaddy, right! |
| 07:02.31 | Losowski | chaddy: I'm used several Linux distros and each has 'their' way of compiling the kernel, however, the normal 'make' way is the original way, and the only way that always works for me across all distros |
| 07:02.58 | chaddy | !wfm |
| 07:02.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 07:03.10 | Losowski | chaddy: It it didn't work, I wouldn't be here chatting at this moment ;) |
| 07:03.22 | Losowski | *If it |
| 07:03.41 | nevyn | actually that's totally reasonable. |
| 07:04.04 | Losowski | chaddy: One must be open minded and not only use the "Linux distro" way of doing things, there is always the 'make' way |
| 07:04.28 | nevyn | it's something that doesn't work for me and something I wouldn't accept for anything I had that was "production" but you don't have to meet my requirements ;) |
| 07:04.29 | Losowski | As I said, the kernel is the only exception when it comes to not using the specific distro way of doing things |
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| 07:05.02 | Losowski | nevyn: Everyone has their preferences and styles...just look at how many different Linux distros are out there ;) |
| 07:05.13 | Losowski | There is a reason for so many ;) |
| 07:05.25 | nevyn | and realistically compiling code isn't something that i think should be done for "production" |
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| 07:07.07 | Losowski | nevyn: We are not talking about some userspace package here, it's the Kernel, the heart of this entire beautiful OS called Linux. For production, I firmly believe a fully customized kernel works best, producing it using 'make' ;) |
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| 07:07.13 | chaddy | sergiu: was there a question there? |
| 07:08.07 | Losowski | Of course, the individual invoking this must know what they are doing |
| 07:08.11 | nevyn | Losowski: given you don't work with or for me you're welcome to hold that belief. |
| 07:09.07 | nevyn | Losowski: when you have hundreds of production systems such a process isn't scalable/appropriate. |
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| 07:10.09 | Losowski | nevyn: This belief is strongly supported by 'thousands', just take a look at how many compile their own kernel. I run a business here and only use Linux and Open Source, and a customized kernel for production has never failed me...we all have our individual experiences to prove what we say |
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| 07:11.26 | Losowski | In Linux, there is never one way of doing things, that's a given ;) |
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| 07:11.50 | Losowski | And the best way is open to debate |
| 07:11.59 | chaddy | there's always at least one way |
| 07:12.13 | Losowski | chaddy: Agreed, 'at least' ;) |
| 07:12.31 | nevyn | sure. |
| 07:13.00 | Losowski | I must say though, I'm very satisfied moving to Debian recently, excellent distro, I'm hooked |
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| 07:14.27 | UltraMC | chaddy, thanks for help, I had to google something in the meantime but in the end it works OK (not perfectly, still some glitches but its the best I can get I presume) |
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| 07:14.53 | chaddy | yw, UltraMC |
| 07:14.56 | UltraMC | Anyone have laggy Flash (fullscreen) videos solution? |
| 07:15.07 | UltraMC | Totem movies HD etc working great, just Flash |
| 07:15.17 | chaddy | which browser, UltraMC? |
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| 07:15.53 | UltraMC | chaddy, thats the fkin good question! Chromium |
| 07:16.15 | chaddy | I have more joy with google-chrome and Flash |
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| 07:16.26 | gh0st3r | raspberry-pi'ing with debian |
| 07:16.30 | UltraMC | Even in Iceeasel I have no fullscreen option in YouTube AND it lags as well |
| 07:16.33 | Losowski | chaddy: I must give chrome a test run |
| 07:16.36 | gh0st3r | cant detect my wireless usb key though :( |
| 07:16.46 | gh0st3r | errors in dmesg: |
| 07:16.46 | UltraMC | gh0st3r, Im looking for buying it. And I will power it to a potato |
| 07:16.47 | gh0st3r | usb 1-1.2: ath9k_htc: Firmware - htc_7010.fw not found |
| 07:16.47 | gh0st3r | ath9k_htc: probe of 1-1.2:1.0 failed with error -22 |
| 07:17.01 | gh0st3r | any ideas? |
| 07:17.02 | UltraMC | lasers, its Chromium |
| 07:17.42 | UltraMC | chaddy, It doesent matter, other browsers hace the same issue |
| 07:18.16 | chaddy | the reason I suggested chrome is that it has the latest flash builtin |
| 07:18.28 | chaddy | s/latest/last |
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| 07:18.44 | UltraMC | chaddy, so Chrome can be ran on Linux? I though that Chromium is Chrome for Linux |
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| 07:18.54 | chaddy | google-chrome |
| 07:19.01 | UltraMC | o.O |
| 07:19.18 | UltraMC | Package 'google-chrome' has no installation candidate |
| 07:19.33 | chaddy | https://www.google.com/chrome?hl=en-gb |
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| 07:20.06 | chaddy | chromium is an OSS version of google-chrome |
| 07:20.14 | UltraMC | You're amazing! Thank you for trying Google Chrome! |
| 07:20.15 | UltraMC | lol |
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| 07:22.14 | UltraMC | chaddy, its google-chrome-stable ;-) |
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| 07:34.16 | deuterium | i'm trying to find the sources of cgroups-bin 0.38-1 of sid (http://packages.debian.org/sid/cgroup-bin ). how can i _manually_ download them? i can't find any sources but the tgz on the right, named libcgroup_0.38-1.debian.tar.gz. and this doesn't contain much. |
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| 07:35.16 | ChrisH | deuterium: are you loking for http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libc/libcgroup/libcgroup_0.38.orig.tar.gz ? |
| 07:35.25 | UltraMC | chaddy, google-chrome-stable is all OK! Thankx again! |
| 07:35.39 | UltraMC | How to pin programms into Programs > Internet or My Places > something ? |
| 07:35.53 | ChrisH | deuterium: Ijust see the difference.... 0.38 vs. 0.38-1 |
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| 07:36.38 | deuterium | ChrisH: hm.. not really.. these seem to be the original sources. basicallly, i'm looking for the sources that allow me to do a dpkg-buildpkg for libcgroup_0.38-1 of sid |
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| 07:39.57 | chaddy | UltraMC: with google-chrome the .desktop file is not in the correct place, gimme a minute |
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| 07:40.28 | deuterium | ChrisH: i've downloaded and extracted libcgroup_0.38-1.debian.tar.gz, but it only contains debian/rules and such, but no sources. do i need to extract libcgroup_0.38.orig.tar.gz inside and then run dpkg-buildpackage? if i just run it now, dpkg-buildpackage complains about: autoreconf: `configure.ac' or `configure.in' is required |
| 07:40.37 | chaddy | you need to cp /opt/google/chrome/google-chrome.desktop /usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop |
| 07:40.49 | chaddy | then it should show in your menus |
| 07:41.29 | UltraMC | My hero <hug> |
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| 07:42.07 | UltraMC | chaddy, can I order those Programs / My Places / System menus at my will? |
| 07:42.30 | chaddy | UltraMC: believe you can with alacarte, though that might be just an Ubuntu thing |
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| 07:42.54 | chaddy | i A alacarte - easy GNOME menu editing tool |
| 07:42.56 | UltraMC | alacarte runs on debian too! (you are ubuntu?) |
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| 07:43.10 | chaddy | nope, Debian |
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| 07:46.00 | UltraMC | Works like a charm |
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| 07:48.33 | UltraMC | Any idea why any internet browser dont wants me to go back with Backscape? |
| 07:48.47 | xgl | hi all |
| 07:48.53 | UltraMC | hi xgl |
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| 08:00.21 | Andorin | So I tried posting on debian forums but got nothing... when I go to shut down I get taken to a console screen that asks for a root password or Ctrl+D, neither of which actually shut the system down. Also, the shutdown option has disappeared from gnome. Running Squeeze with latest updates. |
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| 08:29.21 | qw12 | hi, i am using debian lenny and trying to install packages. I get the following warning message. Please let me know the cause and how to resolve it (please dont suggest going to squeeze, not an option now) |
| 08:29.37 | qw12 | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that this is what you want to do. |
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| 08:33.32 | nevyn | qw12: don't install untrusted packages. |
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| 08:37.05 | qw12 | nevyn: how to get the gpg keys for them suitably ? |
| 08:37.22 | qw12 | the packages i am installing are normal standard packages |
| 08:37.30 | nevyn | from what repo? |
| 08:39.42 | qw12 | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/6njwz0uu |
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| 08:47.46 | qw12 | hi, i am using debian lenny and trying to install packages. I get the following warning message. Please let me know the cause and how to resolve it (please dont suggest going to squeeze, not an option now) |
| 08:47.48 | qw12 | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that this is what you want to do. |
| 08:47.59 | qw12 | my sources.list : http://pastebin.com/6njwz0uu |
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| 08:49.07 | Harzilein | qw12: you should have pasted the missing key id it gave you |
| 08:49.33 | jpw | qw12: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring debian-keyring |
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| 08:55.45 | niklaswe | does someone know if I can add an virtual harddrive to an virtual esxi machine when it´s running.? |
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| 08:57.58 | qw12 | thanks jpw Harzilein. trying int |
| 08:58.30 | qw12 | jpw: getting this error : |
| 08:59.12 | qw12 | http://pastebin.com/TpHMdxKc |
| 08:59.25 | qw12 | sorry for reposting |
| 09:00.01 | jpw | ok remove debian-keyring from the command |
| 09:00.09 | jpw | its right to say that |
| 09:00.29 | qw12 | same error |
| 09:00.39 | qw12 | sorry, wait |
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| 09:00.47 | jpw | with debian-archive-keyring? |
| 09:00.56 | qw12 | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 69 not upgraded. |
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| 09:01.36 | qw12 | jpw |
| 09:01.47 | qw12 | actually with some sources commented out in sources.list i don't get that error |
| 09:01.47 | Harzilein | qw12: paste the key-id |
| 09:02.10 | jpw | then you're going to need to install the key that it is complaining about manually. The key that Harzilein was refereing too needs to be fetched and installed from a public key server |
| 09:02.22 | qw12 | after i commente dout : |
| 09:02.23 | qw12 | #deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free #deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 09:02.30 | qw12 | i don't get that error anymore |
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| 09:02.43 | jpw | hmm yeah i probably should have looked at your original paste lol |
| 09:03.05 | qw12 | partly my bad |
| 09:03.09 | jpw | case closed :) |
| 09:03.16 | qw12 | i am getting a idfferent error when i try to install imagemagick |
| 09:03.18 | qw12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:03.30 | qw12 | new case opened ;) |
| 09:03.33 | qw12 | jpw: |
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| 09:05.37 | qw12 | Harzilein: jpw i am going back to uncommenting that thing, it says stable, but i am on lenny, is it ok ? |
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| 09:16.10 | BullShark` | How can i prevent an application from resetting the windows title in screen. i have screen -t zsh 1 /bin/zsh in my .screenrc. it gets set to zsh, but then reset to myhostname:~:zsh after zsh executes, same with other commands |
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| 09:20.30 | UltraMC | Why mapping sftp disc returns "fuse: invalid argument fuse" http://pastebin.com/imsTASaz ? |
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| 09:24.31 | Twinkletoes | Can I change the default permissions applied to a user's home directory when I use useradd? |
| 09:25.36 | themill | Twinkletoes: use "adduser" instead and the answer is yes. (but why would you want to?) |
| 09:25.58 | Twinkletoes | themill: Because I don't like "other" being able to delve into other user's home directories |
| 09:26.25 | UltraMC | Why mapping sftp disc returns "fuse: invalid argument fuse" http://pastebin.com/imsTASaz ? |
| 09:29.18 | CybDev | man sshfs is your friend... |
| 09:29.53 | CybDev | oh, and did you try to stick that in fstab by any chance? :P |
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| 09:31.01 | Iridos | the real question is... what the heck was that command supposed to do |
| 09:31.47 | Iridos | or indeed, was it supposed to be a command or something from fstab :) |
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| 09:32.21 | CybDev | he changed his mind half way through typing it? :P |
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| 09:32.40 | Iridos | pretty much about half, I'd say :) |
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| 09:33.30 | UltraMC | CybDev, Iridos I want map SFTP connection |
| 09:33.42 | Iridos | I guess, sshfs user@host:/ /home/absolut/Pulpit/sftp -o umask=0,defaults,noauto,user,allow_other |
| 09:33.44 | UltraMC | CybDev, Iridos This command shall give my user rights to browse this |
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| 09:34.02 | UltraMC | Iridos, and what -o is? |
| 09:34.11 | Iridos | err... you're not really supposed to run sshfs as root |
| 09:34.28 | Iridos | and as CybDev reading "man sshfs" might be enlightning |
| 09:34.31 | UltraMC | Im running it as user, but still cant see into disk : permissions |
| 09:34.32 | CybDev | he can still read the standard readable files |
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| 09:35.04 | CybDev | but yeah, it was never intended to mount an entire system |
| 09:35.11 | Iridos | actually noauto makes no sense running it from the commandline, probably neither the others, except perhaps the umask |
| 09:35.14 | UltraMC | fuse: invalid argument `0' |
| 09:35.37 | Iridos | try simply sshfs user@host:/ /home/absolut/Pulpit/sftp |
| 09:35.52 | Iridos | anyway, user@host should be something specific, this is an example |
| 09:36.16 | UltraMC | Iridos, trying |
| 09:36.58 | UltraMC | Cannot show "home/user/sftp". Unknown filetype |
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| 09:37.58 | UltraMC | Iridos, ? |
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| 09:39.34 | CybDev | it would probably help if you explained what you changed and what you did to produce that error |
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| 09:39.55 | CybDev | "home/user/sftp" != "/home/absolut/Pulpit/sftp" |
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| 09:40.05 | Iridos | so can only guess that you're missing a slash |
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| 09:40.41 | as001 | hi I tried to install nodejs and npm on debian squeeze using sid package but it can not install npm saying broken packeges. |
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| 09:41.39 | Iridos | not very surprising |
| 09:41.57 | UltraMC | Iridos, sshfs user@host:/ /home/absolut/Pulpit/sftp |
| 09:42.12 | as001 | I tried echo deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sid.list and apt-get update and install nodejs and npm and I have error |
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| 09:42.57 | Iridos | as001, you're not supposed to install packages from testing or unstable into stable... what you get if you do that is a mess |
| 09:43.08 | as001 | Here is error http://pastebin.ca/2178132 |
| 09:43.15 | Iridos | dpkg, tell as001 about backports |
| 09:43.23 | Iridos | judd, versions npm |
| 09:43.24 | judd | Package: npm on i386 -- sid: 1.1.4~dfsg-1 |
| 09:43.29 | Iridos | judd, versions nodejs |
| 09:43.30 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- sid: 0.6.19~dfsg1-4 |
| 09:43.40 | Iridos | dpkg, tell as001 about ssb |
| 09:45.28 | polyurethane | is there a touchpad indicator on debian? |
| 09:45.31 | Iridos | UltraMC, ls -l /home/absolut/Pulpit/sftp |
| 09:46.19 | as001 | yes i have that nodejs 0.6.19 installed I can see it on dpkg -l | grep nodejs but not npm I installed every dependency from error except node-semver. It says nodejs is not installed etc... I guess my system is mess now. |
| 09:47.40 | Iridos | depends... it's not so bad if you didn't pull libraries from testing/unstable in |
| 09:48.16 | Iridos | try removing the packages that create errors first, install apt-show-versions to check where your packages are from |
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| 09:50.33 | UltraMC | Iridos, it listts my remote dirs! |
| 09:50.50 | UltraMC | Iridos, so Nastilus cant open this "mounted disc" I presume |
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| 09:55.30 | UltraMC | Iridos, it listts my remote dirs! |
| 09:55.34 | as001 | Iridos a lot of packages are from sid while a lot of them are from squeeze now |
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| 09:58.02 | Iridos | as001, well... reinstall squeeze if you want to use stable, else upgrade to testing (but bear in mind that testing also breaks regularily). You shouldn't use sid if you don't want to test the packages from there. You can usually mix single packages from sid into testing, though (if you know what you're doing, the same about pulling in lots of libraries applies, albeit to a lesser extent). |
| 09:58.16 | as001 | here is list http://pastebin.ca/2178137 |
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| 09:59.01 | Iridos | UltraMC, well, that's good? Am I supposed to comment? |
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| 10:00.08 | Iridos | yeah, you have libc6 from sid... |
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| 10:02.30 | UltraMC | Iridos, but still cant browse it normally without terminal |
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| 10:08.22 | Iridos | looks like your computer wants you to use the terminal, then |
| 10:08.32 | UltraMC | very funny |
| 10:09.15 | polyurethane | lol |
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| 10:27.38 | as001 | how can i renistall squeeze version of these packages ? |
| 10:29.49 | jpw | youll need to purge the dev and testing versions |
| 10:29.59 | jpw | then install the stable version |
| 10:30.27 | jpw | dont forget to back up your configs |
| 10:30.34 | jpw | but they are not guaranteed to work |
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| 10:33.04 | bzed | as001: apt-get install package=version-in-squeeze |
| 10:33.16 | as001 | ok thanks |
| 10:33.28 | deuterium | hm.. i don't have any /proc/cgroup on my squeeze |
| 10:34.05 | bzed | deuterium: thats /proc/cgroups |
| 10:34.10 | deuterium | but i see a directory /mnt/cgroups |
| 10:34.22 | bzed | deuterium: or you might be looking for /sys/fs/cgroup where cgroup should be mounted... |
| 10:34.26 | deuterium | bzed: do you have this? i don't have that either |
| 10:34.36 | deuterium | bzed: ok, let me check |
| 10:35.33 | deuterium | bzed: i don't have any /proc/sys/fs/cgroup |
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| 10:37.03 | deuterium | do i have to enable cgroups in the kernel first? |
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| 10:41.30 | bzed | deuterium: you have to *mount* it |
| 10:42.28 | deuterium | bzed: ok, trying. when i tried it first, it didn't find the file system |
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| 10:49.14 | as001 | I tried apt-get install package=version-in-squeeze with binutils and it downgraded it but removed gcc and gcc-4-7 and is unable to install gcc-4-4 and gcc. It says gcc : Depends: gcc-4.4 (>= 4.4.5-1~) but it is not going to be installed. |
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| 10:51.51 | as001 | gcc-4.4 depends on cpp-4.4 and 5 other packages. All of them are instelled but it won't install gcc-4.4 |
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| 10:53.42 | deuterium | bzed: i have to add that i use cgroups 0.38-1 that i backported from sid to squeeze. some things seem to be missing here. |
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| 10:58.53 | nandersson | Hi, does it matter if someone uses apt-mirror or debmirror? Is there any advantage using one or the other? |
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| 11:04.03 | Rygrass | anyone know how i would test a script that i have created and put into /ect/init.d |
| 11:04.06 | Rygrass | to see if it works? |
| 11:04.54 | ChrisH | at now <CR> /etc/init.d/SCRIPT start <CR> CTRL-D |
| 11:05.03 | ChrisH | Or start it directly? |
| 11:05.04 | deuterium | Rygrass: comment out dangerous commands and execute the script |
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| 11:05.48 | deuterium | Rygrass: and print out some stuff on the console instead of actually executing the dangerous commands |
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| 11:06.01 | Rygrass | ah ok |
| 11:06.02 | Rygrass | thanks |
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| 11:08.33 | palermo | I installed DEbian from netinstall, then I installed only xorg with no DEsktop Environment....now my screen resolution is just 800x600... how can I increase it? |
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| 11:09.15 | \n | I've always numbered what does the "-1" in "1.0-1" (just an example here) means. I heard it's the same version. but what's the difference then? |
| 11:09.36 | jpw | \n: its patch levels |
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| 11:09.52 | \n | ah, so those just contain small patches? |
| 11:09.54 | jpw | i think. I am not a developer though there may be more to it. |
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| 11:10.35 | \n | ok |
| 11:10.37 | jpw | \n: check out packages.debian.org you can see all of the patches that have been applied to a package |
| 11:10.46 | \n | oh ok :) |
| 11:10.51 | jpw | its very interesting to look around |
| 11:11.09 | Rygrass | if the script doesn't load at all ( i am very new to linux ) is there a log file created ? |
| 11:11.54 | palermo | Rygrass: you better ask in #bash |
| 11:11.59 | Rygrass | ah k |
| 11:12.08 | Rygrass | thanks |
| 11:12.10 | palermo | np |
| 11:12.32 | ChrisH | Rygrass: none if you do not coded one. |
| 11:12.46 | Rygrass | k thanks seems i have some editing to do :/ |
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| 11:13.02 | palermo | I installed DEbian from netinstall, then I installed only xorg with no DEsktop Environment....now my screen resolution is just 800x600... how can I increase it? |
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| 11:13.51 | jpw | palermo: man 5 xorg.conf |
| 11:14.19 | palermo | jpw, you think i need to install nvidia drivers? what are they called? |
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| 11:14.30 | nkuttler | !tell palermo about nvidia |
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| 11:15.32 | polyurethane | What's the command to lock the screen on xfce4? ctrl+alt+L doesn't work anymore, it did on GNOME. |
| 11:16.47 | jpw | polyurethane: have you tried super+L? |
| 11:16.55 | palermo | what is the difference between nvidia "dkms" and nvidia "m-a" please? |
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| 11:17.20 | nevyn | dkms is the new black |
| 11:17.27 | palermo | do i get dkms? |
| 11:17.28 | nevyn | m-a is the older "orange" |
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| 11:17.38 | nevyn | yes |
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| 11:17.45 | palermo | ty |
| 11:17.54 | nevyn | palermo: dkms will automatically rebuild when you upgrade kernels |
| 11:18.15 | nevyn | m-a will not |
| 11:18.35 | palermo | nevyn: ok so it is not the driver itself? I have yet to get the driver itself, i dont know what i should be insalling in apt-get |
| 11:18.56 | nevyn | dkms is the driver and kernel glue |
| 11:18.59 | palermo | ok thanks |
| 11:19.00 | jpw | palermo: I suggest asking in #bitcoin they support installing GFX drivers very well. |
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| 11:19.41 | nkuttler | jpw: wtf? |
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| 11:19.45 | nevyn | jpw: -1 is always the package version |
| 11:19.53 | nevyn | \n: ^^ |
| 11:20.00 | nevyn | not upstream |
| 11:20.14 | jpw | nevyn: isn't that just rephrasing what I said. |
| 11:20.23 | \n | ok |
| 11:20.54 | nevyn | jpw: I don't think so. but I guess it depends what you think patch means. |
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| 11:29.33 | Iridos | so to rephrase it one more time... the 1.0 in his example is the software version, the -1 means it's the first version of the debian package (and -2 means it's the 2nd version of the debian package and the maintainer packaged the same version of the software, but made additional changes himself) |
| 11:29.46 | Iridos | hopefully it's all sufficiently unclear now :P |
| 11:29.58 | UltraMC | Connecting with server root@host.com maps me a sshfs mapped filesystem. But it contains only "Root" home dir, and I want go upper. How to do it? |
| 11:30.31 | Iridos | root@host.com:/ |
| 11:30.38 | as001 | Hi there is a problem with package nodejs npm and node-semver in sid. It says npm depends on node-semver and node-semver depends on nodejs and breaks nodejs-0.6.19~dfsg1-4 which is version of nodejs provided by sid package. |
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| 11:31.03 | Iridos | as001, did you check the bts? |
| 11:31.27 | as001 | yes I failed to find node in backports. |
| 11:31.34 | UltraMC | Iridos, ty! |
| 11:32.13 | jpw | as001: I highly reccomend installing node from source. |
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| 11:33.04 | as001 | I already installed nodejs but I can't install npm because of dependency problems. |
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| 11:33.55 | jpw | as001: npm is part of node now since 0.6.20. debians version is terribly out of date we are on 0.8.5 now. |
| 11:34.25 | Guest78947 | I am trying to install kfreeBSD Debian, I've downloaded the first CD image, but when I try to boot from it, I get only: Grub> I am a new linux user using ubuntu for last 3 months... any solution? |
| 11:34.41 | as001 | ok so I should remove nodejs from debian package manager and install it from source ? |
| 11:34.44 | nkuttler | !tell Guest78947 about ig |
| 11:35.12 | jpw | as001: Its up to you but if it was me: Yes. It only takes a few minutes to compile. |
| 11:36.11 | nkuttler | gosh, they still haven't fixed the conflict with node.. |
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| 11:36.43 | Guest78947 | nkuttler, yes, I am doing that since morning, but didnt found solution |
| 11:37.01 | nkuttler | Guest78947: there's also a kfreebsd channel |
| 11:37.06 | nkuttler | !tell Guest78947 about kfreebsd |
| 11:37.18 | nkuttler | Guest78947: on the oftc irc network |
| 11:37.31 | Guest78947 | ok, thanks :) |
| 11:37.40 | nkuttler | Guest78947: btw, are you sure you want kfreebsd? |
| 11:37.41 | Calinou | so much people in this channel, for sure |
| 11:37.48 | Calinou | also, whoever uses kfreebsd? |
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| 11:42.02 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 11:42.03 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:42.14 | jelly | all the people in that channel presumably do |
| 11:43.01 | deuterium | does anybody here use cgroups on squeeze? |
| 11:45.42 | carandraug | hey! Say I have 2 HD that are physically the same. If I do "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc" it should create a copy of one into the other, right? |
| 11:47.09 | babilen | carandraug: You can do the same with cp which might use a better blocksize. In any case I would suggest to use a larger blocksize -- But yeah, that command does what you think it does. |
| 11:48.18 | carandraug | babilen, I don't to change anything. The thing is that I damaged the partition table from one of them. I want to experiment recovering files so the plan is to use this command to have a copy of the damaged filesystem and experiment on the copy |
| 11:48.27 | carandraug | babilen, this should work right? |
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| 11:51.18 | frostschutz | carandraug: yes. but do use bs=1M or sth, dd is unnecessarily slow by default, due to its 512 byte blocksize. if the source disk is defective, use conv=noerror,sync bs=4k |
| 11:52.07 | jelly | or use dd_rescue instead |
| 11:52.09 | babilen | carandraug: So "cp /dev/sdb /dev/sdc" or something like "dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/sdc bs=1M" (or another blocksize) -- If you only want the MBR you can do that with something like "dd if=/dev/sdX of=sdX-mbr.bin bs=512 count=1". The partition table resides in the MBR and can be specifically copied with "dd if=/dev/sdX of=sdX-part-table.bin bs=1 count=64 skip=446 seek=446" |
| 11:52.11 | frostschutz | carandraug: for experiments, it'd be better to use LVM as target. you can use LVM's snapshot feature, so you have a fast way to undo after each failed experiment, without having to make a complete new copy |
| 11:52.18 | carandraug | frostschutz, it's not defective because it's physically damaged. I accidentally dd'ed over it's first 200MB |
| 11:52.38 | Iridos | as001, bts == bug tracking system |
| 11:52.56 | as001 | i didn't check bug tracking system |
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| 11:53.48 | as001 | jpw thanks i will try to do that |
| 11:53.51 | frostschutz | carandraug: what did you have in those first 200mb? if with some luck only /boot and swap, then testdisk should be able to find the other partitions. if you didn't reread partition table after dd, you might find /proc/partitions helpful |
| 11:54.03 | babilen | carandraug: If you have your MBR backup somewhere you can restore the partition table with, for example, "dd if=sdX-mbr.bin of=/dev/sdX bs=1 count=64 skip=446 seek=446" -- That won't help if you dd'ed onto the first 200MB. You can copy with dd (or with cp as mentioned earlier which is likely to be faster) -- Only make sure that you use a larger blocksize with dd whenever you copy large amounts of data. |
| 11:54.35 | deuterium | hm.. anybody using cgroups? |
| 11:54.38 | carandraug | frostschutz, I don't have such a large HD to experiment using it. My "damaged" HD is 320GB. To get the other one to copy I already had to ask a friend that had bought one with me. My PC is really old, still have a 80GB HD |
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| 11:55.07 | carandraug | babilen, I don't have a backup of the MBR :( |
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| 11:55.10 | babilen | deuterium: Assume that somebody does -- Or is your question really "Is there a person who uses cgroups in #debian?" ? |
| 11:55.25 | deuterium | babilen: the latter, sir |
| 11:55.36 | frostschutz | carandraug: lvm can combine hd space, so it doesn't matter how large the individual disks are, as long as you can come up with the combined storage necessary |
| 11:55.40 | babilen | carandraug: Don't you have a reference drive (/dev/sdb in your example) ? |
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| 11:55.48 | carandraug | frostschutz, no. It was an external HD with all my data (for my PhD and I'm on the last year). It's only data files, no system. |
| 11:55.55 | frostschutz | carandraug: but if you're not familiar with lvm, just do whatever you originally planned |
| 11:56.07 | babilen | deuterium: I would say that it is save to assume that one of the ~1200 people in here uses cgroups somewhere. |
| 11:56.13 | frostschutz | carandraug: ouch, best of luck |
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| 11:56.30 | deuterium | babilen: are you here to help or to troll? |
| 11:56.52 | frostschutz | deuterium: you're not asking the right questions |
| 11:57.22 | carandraug | babilen, what do you mean reference drive? I only have the HD of my system (an 80GB splitted in / and /home) and a 320GB external HD where I had kept my data. I now asked a friend that had the same model of HD to experiment in recoeving the data |
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| 11:57.51 | deuterium | frostschutz: guys, i'm a techie too.. doesn't mean that i don't have the common sense to assume what's usually meant by such a question. shall i ask it in prolog or what? ;) |
| 11:57.55 | babilen | deuterium: I asked you if your question really is "Is there a person who uses cgroups in #debian?" and you said "the latter, sir" which I interpreted as "Yes, that is really my question" -- I already said that you should just assume that the answer is "Yes, there is somebody" and ask your *real* question (assuming that "Is there somebody in #d that uses cgroups" is not it) |
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| 11:58.13 | carandraug | !ask | deuterium |
| 11:58.25 | Iridos | deuterium, just ask whatever question you came here to ask and skip the meta-questions... if someone knows, they'll answer |
| 11:58.34 | babilen | carandraug: Ok, just to clarify: You accidentially dd'ed onto the first 200MB of an external harddrive that contains important data and of which you don't have a backup. |
| 11:58.56 | babilen | carandraug: This is not #ubuntu and you cannot use "|" to redirect factoids to specific users. |
| 11:58.58 | deuterium | s/assume/understand/ |
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| 11:59.22 | carandraug | babilen, exactly, yeah |
| 11:59.32 | babilen | carandraug: Ouch |
| 11:59.40 | carandraug | babilen, yeah, but I was under the imperssion there was a bot here as well |
| 11:59.43 | frostschutz | carandraug: if the data you seek was in a known file format you might get lucky with photorec or similar; let it search for the specific data type you need and see what it comes up with |
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| 12:00.10 | frostschutz | carandraug: which filesystem were you using? |
| 12:00.23 | kwork | okey |
| 12:01.01 | babilen | carandraug: We do have a bot (dpkg) but it does not know about the "!FACTOID | USER" syntax that is common in #ubuntu -- You might want to read "/msg dpkg dpkgbot" and http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
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| 12:01.15 | carandraug | frostschutz, I have used photorec before,many years ago. It did recover files but the filenames were gone and in a single fodler. Without the organization I had I won't make sense of al the data. It's many small data files. Plus, I remember sometimes I'd get damaged files |
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| 12:01.56 | frostschutz | carandraug: yes - still better than nothing though, if you nixed your filesystem like that. |
| 12:02.21 | babilen | carandraug: Ok, the first thing I would do is to create an image of your external harddrive. (with dd or cp) -- You can then work/run restoration software on *copies* of that image. Do *not* touch the external harddrive again unless you succeeded in restoring the data and want to copy it back. |
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| 12:03.30 | carandraug | babilen, that's what I'm doing and why I got the HD of the same size. To experiment recovering data on it while keeping the original untouched |
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| 12:04.28 | babilen | carandraug: From then I would continue to check "cat /proc/partitions" which might help to re-create the identical partition layout with, say, cfdisk. (Do you know the partition layout?) -- if you have no information about the partition layout on that disk you could use programs such as gpart (http://www.brzitwa.de/mb/gpart/) or testdisk (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk) to guess the partition table. |
| 12:05.14 | babilen | carandraug: If that fails you could try to restore single files by running tools such as photorec, but that might not work very well and could very well fail/result in incomplete files. |
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| 12:05.39 | carandraug | babilen, I had used testdisk and it identified an ext4 filesystem in a logical partition. I didn't wanrt it to write it as I was afraid. So that's my plan. Copy the HD bit by bit, run testdisk and write that partition table, and then run fsck to fix problems |
| 12:05.49 | babilen | carandraug: The most important step right now is, however, to create an image of the drive *immediately* and then disconnect the drive and never touch it again. |
| 12:05.50 | jeredepp | hello anybody with experience with ISCSI here? |
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| 12:06.10 | carandraug | babilen, I have used gpart, it didn't work. |
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| 12:06.48 | carandraug | babilen, this happened 3 days ago, I'm being super careful to what I do with it now |
| 12:06.49 | babilen | carandraug: yeah, I am merely suggesting to work only on copies of that image though. You don't have to touch the original drive (and you shouldn't) as you can run gpart/testdisk on images just as well. (everything is a file!) |
| 12:07.40 | carandraug | babilen, I can't create files, I don't have another HD that large |
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| 12:07.57 | babilen | carandraug: So, run your dd (with bs=1M or so) or just "cp /dev/sdX ~/my-important-copy.bin" or something like that. You can (loop) mount that image, or run testdisk on copies of it or so ... |
| 12:09.06 | babilen | carandraug: Then organise a HDD that large! And please create backups in the future (You are probably well aware of that by now -- also include a backup of the MBR as detailed earlier) -- I just wanted to give you the best tips I can give you. |
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| 12:10.20 | carandraug | babilen, yes. The irony of the thing is that I dd over this HD when I was trying to dd the Debian install for a USB stick. The plan is to install Debian on a new computer I had just got my hands on which had 2 bigger HD's which were going to be my backup |
| 12:10.34 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 12:11.04 | carandraug | babilen, I don't understand the /proc/partitions file. It doesn't have any history |
| 12:11.20 | babilen | Always double/triple check the X in /dev/sdX -- The difference between happiness and doom is just too small. |
| 12:11.59 | carandraug | I know. I had done it thousand of times, I grew overconfident |
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| 12:12.25 | babilen | carandraug: It tells you the number of blocks per partition. (You can then recreate partitions with the same number of blocks) -- Do you know what kind of partition scheme you had on that disk before? |
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| 12:12.53 | babilen | carandraug: The problem is that you most likely nuked a number of ext4 superblocks as well, but there are probably still quite some left. |
| 12:13.02 | carandraug | babilen, it was a single ext4 partition. I could sware it was a logical partition but it was such long time ago that I created it... |
| 12:13.23 | babilen | carandraug: If you knew what the partition layout was on that disk you can just re-create it and it would work if it aligns perfectly with the old/real one. |
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| 12:13.57 | carandraug | babilen, you mean creating on the copy something exactly the same, and then dd it? |
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| 12:15.20 | babilen | carandraug: No. What I am saying is that if you delete the partition table and then recreate the partitions with, say, cfdisk with *identical* settings that it wouldn't make a difference. The partition table would be identical. That means that if you *know* the exact layout of the partitions that you can just re-create the partition table with those settings. |
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| 12:15.35 | polyurethane | 2When I DL a torrent, it opens with Chrome. I just want to download the .torrent file to my computer, how do I change this? |
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| 12:16.19 | babilen | carandraug: As you don't know the *exact* settings (/proc/partitions is gone, you have no notes, no MBR backup) -- you could just *try* to get it right, but running cfdisk and (re)creating the assumed single partition, save changes and hope that you got it right. |
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| 12:17.36 | carandraug | babilen, ok. Will try that. First will finish this with testdisk on the copy. Thank you |
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| 12:18.00 | babilen | carandraug: I still strongly suggest to perform these experiments on an image and not on the original data. -- Do you understand what I mean? Tools such as gpart and testdisk are meant to *guess* the partition table based on information they can gather from the disk. If you already know the partition layout you can just create a new partition table and hope that it is the same as the one you nuked. |
| 12:18.10 | babilen | carandraug: Good luck! |
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| 12:18.52 | carandraug | babilen, I'm doing that, not using the original HD. I understand that everything is a file and can be copied around |
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| 12:19.32 | lattera | trying to download the latest weekly iso from torrent, debian's torrent tracker is giving me "file not found" |
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| 12:20.34 | babilen | carandraug: you might just get it right when you create a single primary partition ... The problem is that the filesystem might need some tweaking as you nuked the superblocks, but there should be a number of superblock backups left. This is where it gets hairy though as the location of the superblocks depends on the size of the hd. Let me find a link that discusses this problematic. |
| 12:20.45 | innociv | How do I kill a program when I just know its pidfile? "kill -9 $(cat /path/to/file.pid)"? |
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| 12:21.14 | mooperd | is it possible or advisable to "Vlan trunk all" |
| 12:21.16 | lattera | anyone know of a torrent tracker that has the latest wheezy iso (amd64, either cd or dvd is fine) |
| 12:21.23 | babilen | innociv: assuming that the pid file contains the pid of the process that would work, yes |
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| 12:21.47 | babilen | lattera: I don't, but you can probably download the file directly from the CD mirrors. |
| 12:21.52 | innociv | yeah it does |
| 12:21.59 | innociv | What is $()? |
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| 12:23.16 | lattera | babilen: no mirrors are listed for the weekly builds |
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| 12:24.50 | babilen | lattera: Hmm, let me check. I would recommend using the beta anyway and I am not sure about generation of weeklies/dailies ... one moment please. |
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| 12:25.08 | lattera | where could I find the beta, then? |
| 12:25.27 | Outlander | installed owncloud on 12.04, what do I need to enter into localhost/owncloud to get it up and running? |
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| 12:25.44 | abrotman | Outlander: this is not #ubuntu |
| 12:25.52 | babilen | lattera: There are plenty of links to weeklies and the beta on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- Where did you look? |
| 12:25.53 | Outlander | my bad |
| 12:25.57 | Outlander | I did mean to join #ubuntu |
| 12:25.58 | abrotman | again ... |
| 12:26.04 | Outlander | hah sorry |
| 12:26.32 | lattera | babilen: ah, I looked at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 12:26.40 | lattera | which is what's linked to from the site |
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| 12:27.07 | babilen | lattera: And there are weeklies in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ -- I still don't follow. |
| 12:27.34 | babilen | still thinks that the beta1 is a better choice |
| 12:27.54 | lattera | well, the issue is that downloading from cdimage.debian.org is pretty slow |
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| 12:28.23 | alkisg | carandraug: nbd-server has an "export copy-on-write" function, which you can use to mount the disk read-only, then mount it rw somewhere else (e.g. on 80Gb/dev/nbd0), so that any changes you do there are discarded when you close nbd-server. You may use that so that you don't have to re-dd after every (unsuccessful?) changes. |
| 12:28.31 | lattera | not sure my boss would like me waiting four hours for an iso to download |
| 12:28.42 | alkisg | s/mount the disk read-only/export the disk read-only/ |
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| 12:28.45 | babilen | lattera: Really? I get 5.00M/s right now (UK) |
| 12:29.07 | lattera | I get ~200KB/s in washington, dc |
| 12:29.13 | babilen | lattera: And I am downloading from hammurabi.acc.umu.se |
| 12:29.15 | carandraug | lattera, it's not that slow. Also, download the netinst, it's smaller and works fine |
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| 12:29.43 | carandraug | alkisg, that looks cool. Loooking into it. Thank you |
| 12:29.55 | babilen | lattera: You might want to use a different mirror and yeah, use the netinst anyway. |
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| 12:30.02 | lattera | k, downloading the net installer |
| 12:30.28 | lattera | should I still file a bug report or something for bt tracker not working, though? |
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| 12:33.23 | [bugfinder] | So, what happened with compiz in wheezy ? |
| 12:33.56 | abrotman | removed, buggy |
| 12:34.00 | abrotman | there's a bug about it |
| 12:34.10 | abrotman | would think .. bugfinder would be able to find it |
| 12:34.16 | [bugfinder] | strange ? |
| 12:34.33 | [bugfinder] | why not just use a non-buggy version .. (such as in squeeze?) |
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| 12:35.11 | abrotman | may not compile with libraries in wheezy? |
| 12:35.26 | [bugfinder] | heh |
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| 12:36.41 | abrotman | well darn it .. it was there |
| 12:36.47 | [bugfinder] | apparently it works just fine, but is excluded because the lack of a debian package maintainer @.@ |
| 12:36.54 | abrotman | now i can't find it |
| 12:36.56 | [bugfinder] | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864 |
| 12:37.02 | [bugfinder] | lives up to his name |
| 12:37.29 | abrotman | and that was the one .. |
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| 12:44.52 | multi_io | can you boot the kernel from a lwm+raid1 volume? does grub support that? |
| 12:45.38 | [bugfinder] | http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-raid1-on-a-running-lvm-system-debian-etch |
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| 12:49.27 | \n | Hi, I'm trying to find all packages that depend on a specific Python version (2.6.x) or lower. How could I do that? |
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| 12:50.06 | \n | `aptitude why python' only shows pastebinit, `aptitude why python2.6' only shows python-pbs. |
| 12:50.27 | \n | For a second I thought that was 1337 (the limit debhelper set), lol |
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| 12:51.47 | ksk | \n: i guess thats it!? when you fire an "aptitude purge $python-package -s" it should tell you what its going to remove too |
| 12:52.03 | Hyppias | I have a debian machine in my local net. can I virtualize it for vmware? how? |
| 12:52.13 | ksk | !tell Hyppias about vmware |
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| 12:52.46 | ksk | python is part of the base debian system anyways and i guess you cannot/should not remove it ;) |
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| 12:53.51 | consfearacy | I installed NVIDIA driver, then i Startx and it works, when I leave X back to console I hear the video card fan start working in full speed... |
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| 12:54.52 | Hyppias | ksk: I know vmware is not part of debian. My issue however is to make a debian virual machine for VMware Player. So making Debian a part of VMware so to speak. Not making VMware part of Debian. |
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| 12:55.41 | ksk | ah okay. so ask vmware how to turn an real machine into a vm ;) |
| 12:56.05 | ksk | my preferred virtualisation provides an wiki-article for that |
| 12:56.42 | abrotman | Hyppias: you want to take a live machine and make it a VM ? |
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| 12:58.55 | Hyppias | ksk yes |
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| 12:59.43 | ksk | forwards to abrotman |
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| 13:00.03 | DRed | hello |
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| 13:00.51 | DRed | can someone help me to update alsa driver on squeeze? |
| 13:01.02 | multi_io | [bugfinder]: that tutorial puts the boot volume on a raid1, but not on a lvm over raid1... |
| 13:01.14 | multi_io | so, can you boot the kernel from a lwm+raid1 volume? does grub support that? |
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| 13:04.33 | jpw | multi_op: do you mean lwm or lvm? |
| 13:05.17 | jpw | multi_io: --^ |
| 13:06.37 | multi_io | jpw: lvm. sorry. |
| 13:06.42 | Rix | Hi! I have two graphic cards on my laptop (intel and discrete ati 5730), how do I switch between them? |
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| 13:07.46 | \n | ksk: Thanks! I ran `aptitude -s remove python' and it listed the packages :) |
| 13:07.53 | Rix | my driver is the open-source radeon (not proprietary fglrx) |
| 13:08.00 | jpw | multi_io: so you want to know if its possible to set up software raid1 using lvm? |
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| 13:08.58 | multi_io | jpw: I want to know if it's possible to boot from that. |
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| 13:10.08 | Iridos | multi_io, try it? I generally prefer my /boot to be neither part of a raid system nor of lvm... Hard enough to figure out why booting fails without adding more complexity |
| 13:10.43 | jpw | multi_io: /boot HAS to be outside of lvm in a sfotware raid setup. |
| 13:11.09 | DelTree | jpw: raid1 ? |
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| 13:11.51 | jpw | DelTree: im fairly sure yeah |
| 13:12.29 | DelTree | jpw: does it work from lvm without raid ? because raid1 can just be ignored by the bootloader... |
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| 13:15.17 | jpw | DelTree: You have me thinking now. I thought LVM added a bunch of metadata to a partition in this setup. I may be wrong though |
| 13:15.48 | feisar | hi, I want to run 'echo server_mode=1 > /proc/pmu/options' on startup. Is /etc/rc.local the correct place to do this? |
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| 13:17.05 | ChrisH | I accidently did setup a system once with /boot inside a Raid1/LVM. Till now it boots. I simply forgot to add the mirror planned and created for /boot duing the installation process. So Debian installer put /boot into LVM. and i works. |
| 13:18.31 | feisar | ChrisH: I have /boot on a RAID1/LV |
| 13:19.27 | feisar | seems to work so far - I have done that on a few machines |
| 13:20.23 | Iridos | multi_io, ^^^^ |
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| 13:21.32 | ChrisH | feisar: thats was what I wanted to do.... and normally do. I allways add a grub line to boot from the second mirror |
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| 13:21.59 | feisar | ChrisH: ah i see |
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| 13:22.14 | cwesterfield | anyone know how to get past this configure error "configure: error: Package requirements (libcrypto) were not met:" |
| 13:22.29 | Iridos | feisar, as you probably don't want to undo this, I'd say yes |
| 13:22.45 | DelTree | cwesterfield: aptitude install libcrypto-dev ? |
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| 13:25.08 | cwesterfield | its says already installed |
| 13:25.08 | feisar | Iridos: thanks, what problems could I run into? |
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| 13:25.43 | feisar | Iridos: (are you referring to the question about /etc/rc.local or LVM?) |
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| 13:27.23 | feisar | Iridos: ah, sorry, I'm with you, you're referring to the rc.local question. Thanks : ) |
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| 13:28.02 | Iridos | rc.local :) and I don't know what exactly /proc/pmu/options switches, but seems like exactly the thing to put in rc.local |
| 13:28.06 | Iridos | dpkg, rc.local |
| 13:28.06 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is regarded as a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
| 13:28.46 | Iridos | ha |
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| 13:29.11 | feisar | Iridos: it tells the Power MAC G4 to come back on after a power cut |
| 13:29.12 | Iridos | well, anyway, doesn't seem worth to write an init script for something like that, so I _would_ put it in rc.local |
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| 13:29.19 | abrotman | ksk: ? |
| 13:29.21 | feisar | dpkg: thanks |
| 13:29.21 | dpkg | feisar: gern geschehen |
| 13:29.34 | Iridos | heh |
| 13:29.53 | cwesterfield | well it says this "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libcrypto-dev"" |
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| 13:30.23 | cwesterfield | but I can do "sudo apt-get install libcrypto++-dev" |
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| 13:32.10 | multi_io | feisar, ChrisH: does this also mean that the machine can boot from any of the raid1 /boot drives in case the one it normally boots from has failed? |
| 13:32.23 | UltraMC | How to change default desktop file manager (Nautilus) to other (Thunar) |
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| 13:35.48 | abrotman | UltraMC: in what? |
| 13:35.57 | feisar | multi_io: I have 2 drives in raid1, I then add that raid to a VG and create LVs within that VG, one of them being 'boot' which is mounted as /boot. It's my understanding that if one drive now fails the machine will boot (although I haven't tested this yet)) |
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| 13:37.14 | UltraMC | abramart, Debian 6.0.5 GNOME |
| 13:37.36 | UltraMC | abchirk, All works fine with Thunar, only desktop folders open with Nastilus |
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| 13:37.47 | abramart | UltraMC, yeah! |
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| 13:37.52 | UltraMC | nautilus* |
| 13:38.06 | UltraMC | I hate that, Google says many people had this before me, but theres no solution |
| 13:38.24 | UltraMC | abrotman, above msg obviusly was for you :P |
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| 13:38.41 | chaddy | gnome-shell, UltraMC? if so you could turn off desktop icons |
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| 13:38.53 | chaddy | with an extension |
| 13:39.35 | UltraMC | chaddy, I dont know what gnome-shell is really, im noob |
| 13:39.45 | UltraMC | chaddy, AND I want desktop icons |
| 13:40.06 | chaddy | ok, but you want them to open with Thunar? |
| 13:40.11 | UltraMC | Yes |
| 13:40.15 | multi_io | feisar: ok thanks |
| 13:40.20 | UltraMC | Folders, discs etc from desktop with Thunar |
| 13:41.13 | multi_io | feisar: do you have your swap volume (assuming you have one) in that VG too? |
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| 13:42.47 | feisar | multi_io: yes, all filesystems relating to the OS are LVs |
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| 13:43.05 | chaddy | UltraMC: would it be easier to just try Xfce instead of gnome? |
| 13:43.19 | chaddy | that uses Thunar by default |
| 13:43.37 | UltraMC | chaddy, I like gnome |
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| 13:44.10 | tehrabbitt | any idea why /lib/modules would be completely empty? |
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| 13:44.28 | chaddy | hmm, I'd tend to look in gconf-editor, then, searching for nautilus |
| 13:44.54 | tehrabbitt | nothing in /lib/modules or /lib64/modules |
| 13:44.57 | tehrabbitt | :| |
| 13:44.59 | UltraMC | chaddy, cool |
| 13:45.09 | tehrabbitt | does taht mean I just dont' have any modules installed? Heh |
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| 13:45.26 | damacus | i love how half the screenshots on thunar's page are dead links |
| 13:45.35 | damacus | (user screenshots that is) |
| 13:46.03 | UltraMC | chaddy, desktop>gnome>applications>component_viewer has "exec = nautilus %s" |
| 13:46.24 | UltraMC | any idea what %s is? |
| 13:46.25 | tehrabbitt | FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab057.1/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 13:46.56 | chaddy | it's the value of whatever it's opening |
| 13:47.10 | chaddy | like if you click the file, it'll be the path to that file |
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| 13:49.34 | chaddy | that looks like it might be it, there's another one for trash, nautilus adds a button to empty it in that instance |
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| 13:50.05 | chaddy | I'd try switching the one you mention to thunar and see what happens |
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| 13:51.11 | UltraMC | chaddy, changed desktop>gnome>applications>component_viewer has "exec = nautilus %s" to "thunar" - but it wont help. RMB click on :/// and "open with" says its already thunar but it still opens it with natilus. Sys reboot? |
| 13:52.00 | chaddy | no, don't reboot |
| 13:52.08 | chaddy | just log ouot and back in again |
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| 13:52.51 | chaddy | no, don't reboot |
| 13:52.52 | chaddy | just log ouot and back in again |
| 13:53.05 | chaddy | s/ouot/out/g |
| 13:53.06 | UltraMC | chaddy, haha it worked! Ive reloged and now have no icons hehehe |
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| 13:53.20 | UltraMC | wtf? |
| 13:53.27 | DammitJim | is there always a package manager for every linux flavor? |
| 13:53.29 | tehrabbitt | anyone know why /lib/modules would be completely empty? what package do I need in order to get the ipv6 module? |
| 13:53.35 | DammitJim | I know for Debian, it's deb packages |
| 13:53.47 | DammitJim | but I'm working with an embedded device |
| 13:53.56 | chaddy | switch back to nautilus, then, UltraMC; in gconf-editor |
| 13:54.10 | UltraMC | damacus, no, every distro could have different packs, but Damn Small Linux has dsl, and some share their packs |
| 13:54.13 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: in Debian squeeze and above, IPv6 is built into the kernel |
| 13:54.57 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: so how would I use it then? I've tried following the guide on debian.org's documentation and did ifup he-ipv6 and it says no such adapter etc |
| 13:55.14 | Dagger2 | does `ifconfig | grep inet6` return anything? |
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| 13:55.39 | chaddy | UltraMC: found a script for ubuntu you could maybe tinker with, UltraMC |
| 13:55.59 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: no because right now it's not configured again (started over from blank slate) |
| 13:56.04 | chaddy | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager |
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| 13:56.51 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: No, not necssarily |
| 13:56.52 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: it should still list link-local addresses if you have IPv6 support available |
| 13:57.15 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: no local support, i'm trying to set up a tunnel |
| 13:57.21 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Not sure what slackware uses, but there are "distros" where you just compile what you want to install. |
| 13:57.23 | tehrabbitt | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 13:57.41 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: you will still have link-local addresses regardless of local support |
| 13:57.42 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Package managers are one of the major advantages that Linux offers. |
| 13:57.53 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: I'm not sure that dd-wrt has one, major drawback. |
| 13:58.11 | DammitJim | jhutchins_wk, dd-wrt sometimes uses ipkg stuff |
| 13:58.17 | krababbel | I try to ssh into another box on my LAN. It doesn't work when I put 'sshd: ALL' in hosts.deny and 'sshd: x.x.x.x/x' in hosts.allow. Without those files, it works, why? |
| 13:58.25 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Yeah, you have to have the right kind of memory/storage set up. |
| 13:58.26 | DammitJim | or opkg stuff, which are deb packages, I think |
| 13:58.27 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: the /etc/network/interfaces file was blank, I installed a minimal install using openvz, so it didn't even have a resolv.conf file. I had to create everything from scratch |
| 13:59.18 | DammitJim | I'm asking because I have written stuff on PHP together with a program in C, but I don't know where to go to understand how I would go about upgrading either one of those things in this embedded system |
| 13:59.27 | DammitJim | any pointers? I know this is off topic |
| 13:59.42 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: oh, openvz. that complicates things, depending on what type of networking you use in the container |
| 13:59.54 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: what do you mean |
| 14:01.10 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: I suppose it depends on the source of the embedded system. |
| 14:01.28 | plytheman | Can anyone help me through why I have no sound? I thought it was because my sound blaster card wasn't the default card but it seems like it is now. every guide I see online says use alsaconf but apparently that's outdated |
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| 14:01.51 | aguitel | how install nvidia in wheezy ? |
| 14:02.02 | DammitJim | I was about to just tar all my code and when it came to "upgrading" just upload the file to the device with a shell script that PHP calls and it would uncompress it and copy the files to the proper locations, but that sounds like bad practice |
| 14:02.12 | jelly | pretty much the same way as in squeeze, aguitel |
| 14:02.17 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: openvz containers aren't virtual machines, they're basically just glorified chroots. the normal way of networking in them is to assign the IP on the host (since the host is the only kernel running as it is) and then adjust the visibility of that IP so only one container can see it |
| 14:02.19 | DammitJim | oh... maybe do some kind of checksum on the file after the upload, but that's it |
| 14:02.20 | jelly | aguitel: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 14:02.25 | aguitel | is thw wiki valid? |
| 14:02.31 | aguitel | wiki |
| 14:02.38 | jelly | the wiki is a bit confusing |
| 14:02.43 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: oh |
| 14:02.46 | aguitel | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
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| 14:02.57 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: the other way is to make a tap interface pair, and make one end visible to the container and one to the host, and then networking works roughly the same as normal |
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| 14:03.01 | tehrabbitt | Dagger2: so no way to add an ipv6 tunnel to it :\ |
| 14:03.25 | tehrabbitt | how would I create the tap interface pair? i know i "enabled tun/tap" in the control panel (It's a VPS) |
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| 14:03.57 | Dagger2 | tehrabbitt: I have no experience with openvz, so I don't know much about the first way or how to set up the second way :/ |
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| 14:04.54 | jelly | aguitel: I know which page you're talking about, and I suggest you heed to what dpkg bot has to offer instead. |
| 14:04.57 | plytheman | Nevermind! of course after two days of trying to fix it I come in here, ask, then find an answer on my own |
| 14:05.13 | aguitel | jelly, ok |
| 14:06.46 | deuterium | how can i check which kernel configuration was used for the linux-image-2.6.32-5-openvz-amd64 kernel in squeeze? i've downloaded the sources.. |
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| 14:07.15 | ansgar | deuterium: /boot/config-*? |
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| 14:16.58 | aguitel | jelly, i am in wheezy trying to install nvidia drivers,why dpkg say to install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 ? |
| 14:17.43 | jelly | aguitel: does it not work? |
| 14:17.56 | DammitJim | you need linux headers, yes |
| 14:18.26 | aguitel | jelly, i will install but the wiki say to install the last linux-headers |
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| 14:18.34 | DammitJim | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/#Installation-1 |
| 14:18.40 | mdh | I'm running a Sid machine without a monitor, and for some reason now the desktop interface will not load while the monitor is disconnected. Once I plug a monitor in, it loads up, but without one it hangs on a message about "noveau register not found in pll". |
| 14:18.59 | Losowski | aguitel: It is a requirement of Nvidia to have the kernel headers available in order to compile the module. The headers must be the same as your kernel version. |
| 14:19.21 | DammitJim | aguitel, you mean you are on a newer kernel? |
| 14:19.24 | DammitJim | but it's asking for 2.6? |
| 14:19.30 | DammitJim | uname -r |
| 14:19.39 | jelly | aguitel: you need to have headers matching the running kernel installed. There is more than one way to achieve that goal. |
| 14:19.44 | aguitel | Losowski, but my kernel is 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 14:20.05 | DammitJim | why dpkg? aren't you using aptitude or apt-get? |
| 14:20.06 | aguitel | dpkg say to install old headers |
| 14:20.06 | dpkg | to install old headers |
| 14:20.07 | jelly | DammitJim: the linux-headers-2.6-amd64 metapackage exists in wheezy and works as expected even for 3.2 kernels |
| 14:20.12 | pparadis | aguitel: you need to do "apt-get update ; apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`" |
| 14:20.13 | Losowski | aguitel: You installed that yourself, or via .deb package? |
| 14:20.14 | jelly | aguitel: no it doesn't |
| 14:20.39 | aguitel | i follow /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
| 14:21.07 | Losowski | aguitel: you then need 3.2.0-3 kernel headers...there should be a package for that |
| 14:21.08 | DammitJim | that's interesting... I just installed wheezy on a machine, but it didn't ask for linux headers 2.6... |
| 14:21.29 | lnxslck | aguitel, you need the headers for your current kernel |
| 14:21.34 | jelly | DammitJim: and it shouldn't, it's a compatibility package |
| 14:21.35 | Losowski | It will place the headers most likely in /usr/src |
| 14:21.37 | lnxslck | aguitel, i have done this yesterday |
| 14:21.56 | pparadis | aguitel: did you read what i wrote above? |
| 14:22.01 | aguitel | lnxslck, you are in wheezy? |
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| 14:22.08 | jelly | DammitJim: however, if you use that package name, it will still work and do the right thing |
| 14:22.12 | lnxslck | aguitel, did that on weezy and testing |
| 14:22.13 | aguitel | i read |
| 14:22.14 | DammitJim | calm down guys... one at a time to help aguitel |
| 14:22.27 | jelly | DammitJim: which aguitel apparently did not even try to do |
| 14:22.45 | DammitJim | yeah, I think he was just concerned, jelly |
| 14:22.55 | aguitel | the wiki say one mettod |
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| 14:23.05 | DammitJim | if he gets the latest linux headers, it won't complain about 2.6, right? |
| 14:23.08 | aguitel | diferent from dpkg |
| 14:23.15 | jelly | the wiki gives you a number of options, and that is confusions. |
| 14:23.29 | jelly | dpkg picks out a sensible path through these options |
| 14:23.31 | dpkg | jelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:23.32 | pparadis | aguitel: please issue the following command: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 14:23.36 | jelly | dpkg: oh be quiet |
| 14:23.36 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
| 14:23.38 | DammitJim | I hate to say this, but that's a reason I moved away from NVIDIA cards |
| 14:23.39 | aguitel | jelly, i follow the wiki steps many years |
| 14:24.15 | jelly | aguitel: you might at some point try to understand what they do, so you don't have to follow them _blindly_ |
| 14:24.21 | pparadis | aguitel: many years... have you ever installed kernel headers before? |
| 14:24.37 | aguitel | yes i installed |
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| 14:24.56 | jelly | pparadis: he's quite a regular here, just a bit thick headed. It could be partly due to second language issues |
| 14:25.04 | pparadis | jelly: roger that |
| 14:25.06 | Losowski | It's a simple package install, that's all....again, just make sure they match your kernel |
| 14:25.27 | jelly | aguitel: no offense meant |
| 14:25.32 | aguitel | ok |
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| 14:25.36 | pparadis | Losowski: which is why "apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`" is guaranteed to work :) |
| 14:25.44 | Losowski | pparadis: Agreed! |
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| 14:27.16 | aguitel | i think dpkg will help in squeezy but no in wheezy |
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| 14:27.27 | babilen | I prefer to just install suitable metapackages for kernel and headers (e.g. linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64) but well ... |
| 14:27.28 | dvs | that aint easy |
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| 14:27.47 | pparadis | aguitel: have you actually installed the headers yet? if not, why haven't you? |
| 14:27.51 | deuterium | ansgar: ok, thanks! |
| 14:27.58 | lnxslck | DammitJim, nvidia without optimus chip are ok to install in linux |
| 14:28.19 | aguitel | pparadis, i installed following the wiki guide |
| 14:28.29 | pparadis | aguitel: installed what? the headers? |
| 14:28.36 | Losowski | aguitel: Please try the command pparadis had indicated? |
| 14:28.38 | aguitel | nvidia |
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| 14:29.09 | pparadis | aguitel: you have not installed a package named "linux-headers-blah-blah-etc" yet? |
| 14:29.16 | aguitel | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
| 14:29.43 | pparadis | aguitel: i want a simple yes or no answer. have you issued the following command yet? apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 14:29.58 | pparadis | aguitel: do not provide any links, or anything other than "yes" or "no" |
| 14:30.20 | aguitel | pparadis, yes |
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| 14:30.29 | pparadis | fantastic! |
| 14:30.31 | aguitel | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
| 14:30.50 | aguitel | this is the correct guide to install nvidiain wheezy |
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| 14:31.41 | lnxslck | aguitel, i isntalled it by simply goiing to nvidia.com download the correct driver, install linux-headers for my current and build-essential, and running nvidia installer |
| 14:31.42 | themill | aguitel: there is no one guide in that page. It's a mess. |
| 14:31.44 | lnxslck | simple as that |
| 14:31.54 | themill | lnxslck: ugh :( |
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| 14:32.11 | lnxslck | themill, what? |
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| 14:32.42 | kleini | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 14:32.44 | themill | lnxslck: that's a great way of making a mess. Their installed does not play nicely with the packaging system and normally ends up making more mess than it solves. |
| 14:32.55 | lnxslck | themill, such as? |
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| 14:33.30 | nvz | what is it we're talkin about? |
| 14:33.42 | lnxslck | nvz, helping aguitel installing nvidia card |
| 14:33.44 | pparadis | nvidia mostly at the moment |
| 14:33.49 | themill | !why not nvidia installer |
| 14:33.49 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 14:34.35 | nvz | ah well the nvidia stuff in debian works well these days, little reason not to use it.. but the nvidia stuff works well too.. worst case is it'll break on upgrades.. but it installs cleanly and will uninstall cleanly too in my experience |
| 14:34.58 | lnxslck | dpkg, worst case scenario, you have to reinstall nvidia against new kernels right? |
| 14:34.59 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, lnxslck |
| 14:35.03 | aguitel | babilen, why your guide install old headers in wheezy ? |
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| 14:35.20 | babilen | aguitel: Which guide? |
| 14:35.29 | aguitel | dpkg |
| 14:35.35 | nvz | lnxslck: thats most common, but its not necessarily the worst case scenario.. we could always dream up worse scenarios. |
| 14:35.41 | themill | lnxslck: and an awful lot of people find that quite a challenge when they can't start X... |
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| 14:35.54 | mwilliams_ | lspci shows both my onboard audio and the GPU's (the HDML audio?). However, /proc/asound/cards only shows the GPU's. I've tried reconfiguring the alsa package, playing with m-a, and a few other things and just can't seem to get my oboard sound to work. The board is an ASRock Z75 Pro3 on Debian 6.0.5 (2.6.32-5-amd64). Any thoughts on what I could try next? |
| 14:35.54 | babilen | aguitel: I don't quite follow but assume that you are referring to the <nvidia dkms> factoid - Is that correct? |
| 14:36.02 | lnxslck | nvz, sure, but i don't install a new kernel just because it's avaiable |
| 14:36.07 | aguitel | babilen, yes |
| 14:36.15 | nvz | I used to firmly recommend nvidia installer but thats when the packages in debian were horribly broken |
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| 14:36.21 | lnxslck | and does the nvidia.deb have the app nvidia-settings? |
| 14:36.25 | Anticom | hi all |
| 14:36.34 | Anticom | i'm looking for a gui tool to manage my svn repos |
| 14:36.36 | Anticom | any suggestions? |
| 14:36.50 | nvz | lnxslck: its in a seperate package called nvidia-settings I believe |
| 14:36.59 | jelly | lnxslck: steps to take for a clusterfuck: install debian with X; install nvidia installer; upgrade X; remove nvidia installer - now you have a mix of fresh X files and ones from the nvidia installation time |
| 14:37.09 | babilen | aguitel: It is not my guide and the factoid is aimed at users of the stable release. It can IMHO be expected that users of testing or unstable are capable of adapting the factoid to their needs. |
| 14:37.34 | themill | Anticom: I normally use kdesvn under linux (and tortoisesvn under other legacy operating systems) |
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| 14:38.02 | pparadis | aguitel: people running testing or unstable should have a very good understanding of how their systems work to begin with, and be prepared and able to fix things when they break. |
| 14:38.10 | Anticom | themill i got tortoise on my windows machine, but i just don't get how to manage repos on there... i want to create a new one but with existing code |
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| 14:38.24 | nvz | lnxslck: the debian way you wind up involving nearly half a dozen packages to achieve what you get with one from nvidia, but you gain the ability to cleanly upgrade and make use of dkms |
| 14:38.28 | Anticom | and since i'm new to svn i don't want to digg through ton's of man-pages right now |
| 14:38.28 | lnxslck | nvz, and the .deb has the same features/capabilities than the one from nvidia? |
| 14:38.29 | mdh | never mind my question, i found the answer. good luck all! |
| 14:38.41 | themill | lnxslck: presumably... why wouldn't it? |
| 14:38.56 | themill | aguitel, babilen: they aren't "old" headers at all. That package exists in wheezy and installs the 3.2.x headers just as you want. |
| 14:39.04 | nvz | lnxslck: its a proprietary driver, not much has changed but the packaging |
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| 14:39.38 | pparadis | themill: hah, i just read the factoid. |
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| 14:40.14 | pparadis | aguitel: please pastebin the output of the following command: dpkg -l | grep linux-headers |
| 14:40.51 | lnxslck | nvz, oh, i see, so it's the same driver but only packaged the debian way |
| 14:41.00 | nvz | I tried tortoise-hg in linux, its cool, adds some nice visuals to my nautilus file manager, but in the end its easier to do omst things from the command line.. heh |
| 14:41.41 | nvz | lnxslck: yes that allows for the debian team to maintain updates for it as well as allowing dkms to manage the driver so when the kernel updates the driver gets rebuilt |
| 14:42.25 | themill | Anticom: I've always done that step from the command line and then done a svn co, added stuff, committed. |
| 14:42.37 | nvz | lnxslck: when you install the nvidia package you have what you had when you ran it.. to update it or update kernel you have to manually run it again. may be fine for you or me, but the average user needs it to happen automatically as many people get lost when X fails to start |
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| 14:43.16 | lnxslck | nvz, i understand now, why debian way is better |
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| 14:43.36 | bahaa2008 | hi |
| 14:43.51 | bahaa2008 | i have a problem with my sis card |
| 14:44.01 | nvz | Anticom: I've never used svn but I do use mercurial and I gotta say I like having tortiose-hg but all I use it for is looking at a broad overview of changes, when I need to do heavy lifting like cloaning or pushing, I do it from command line, its far less complicated and more reliable |
| 14:44.11 | bahaa2008 | SIS 6325 |
| 14:44.14 | bahaa2008 | GA |
| 14:44.16 | bahaa2008 | VGA |
| 14:44.33 | dvs | hides from SIS |
| 14:44.45 | bahaa2008 | the highest resolution is 960 x 600 |
| 14:45.06 | bahaa2008 | i need to get 1024x768 |
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| 14:45.37 | bahaa2008 | my lcd can get a higher resolution |
| 14:45.53 | bahaa2008 | i made a search online |
| 14:46.03 | bahaa2008 | but i couldn't find help |
| 14:46.54 | aguitel | pparadis, http://pastebin.com/0qDUXzfG |
| 14:47.05 | bahaa2008 | seems that XServer fails to vesa mode |
| 14:47.20 | bahaa2008 | i want to check what's the problem is and fix it |
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| 14:51.14 | bahaa2008 | anyone can help |
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| 14:53.09 | nvz | bahaa2008: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:54.09 | jhutchins_wk | bahaa2008: Did you search xorg? |
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| 15:00.05 | lnxslck | aguitel, just finished installing nvidia driver by using debian way |
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| 15:00.43 | lnxslck | nvz, funny thing happened after installing nvidia driver, my pc stop using swap, before xorg was using swap |
| 15:01.30 | nvz | lnxslck: well thats not really surprising, when the gpu drivers are not there, its gonna use the CPU and RAM rather than GPU and GRAM |
| 15:02.14 | lnxslck | nvz, yep, i used the debian way, the manual could use some improvements tough |
| 15:03.15 | aguitel | finished? why ? |
| 15:03.32 | lnxslck | aguitel, i have a machine that i'm working onw |
| 15:03.39 | lnxslck | aguitel, it has an nvidia card also |
| 15:03.42 | aguitel | me too |
| 15:03.52 | nvz | apparently aguitel doesn't speak english natively |
| 15:03.54 | aguitel | debian way is the correct way |
| 15:04.01 | lnxslck | aguitel, just followed the debian way and it worked just fine |
| 15:04.06 | aguitel | nvz, yes !!!!! |
| 15:04.21 | lnxslck | aguitel, have you installed your card then? |
| 15:04.26 | aguitel | yes |
| 15:04.44 | mdh | I'm upgrading a testing install to sid. I have changed the sources and updated the cache, is there a difference between using aptitude full-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade to finish the upgrade? |
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| 15:05.39 | babilen | mdh: One uses apt-get and the other uses aptitude -- Both use different depdency resolution algorithms and it might therefore make a difference. I would just use apt-get. |
| 15:05.42 | tictacbum | hello |
| 15:06.08 | mdh | Thanks |
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| 15:06.17 | bahaa2008 | nvz: my Xorg.0.log -> http://pastebin.com/MjwwgSsS |
| 15:06.38 | lnxslck | babilen, is one method better than the other? |
| 15:06.40 | nvz | in my eyes this is the only thing ubuntu did right, they don't make aptitude part of the system.. its an optional package, in debian its installed already |
| 15:07.12 | lnxslck | nvz, sometimes we see sites using aptitude other apt-get.. can be a bit confusing |
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| 15:07.20 | lnxslck | i use apt-get all the time |
| 15:07.24 | johndo | hi |
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| 15:07.53 | johndo | is there any utility to download the current version of a debian package? |
| 15:08.00 | mdh | I think on the official website they suggest that aptitude might be better at resolving dependencies or finding a solution you might like. |
| 15:08.10 | johndo | or a utility which shows me the download url |
| 15:08.18 | lnxslck | johndo, you mean apt-get? |
| 15:08.41 | johndo | lnxslck: and which command? |
| 15:08.55 | mdh | apt-get install packagename |
| 15:08.56 | johndo | (i have a broken system and need to install packages nmanually) |
| 15:09.05 | johndo | apt-get install is broken |
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| 15:09.20 | lnxslck | mdh, there's a few things i don't like about apt-get, for ex. i want to install only xorg, so i install, xorg and xserver-core (or something) and then apt-get install like a dozen of packages that i don't want |
| 15:09.34 | johndo | (i.e. it barfs with error and doesnt get to download packages) |
| 15:09.39 | nvz | bahaa2008: lines 215-358 indicate the issues.. apparently it cannot read info from your display and had to assume its capabilities.. it also suggest a config option to try, but personally I'd manually enter the sync ranges for my display |
| 15:09.42 | babilen | lnxslck: I typically use apt-get unless I need aptitude's interactive resolver or search patterns. We had some problems (i.e. bugs) with aptitude during the lenny->squeeze upgrade which is why I generally recommended to use apt-get for dist-upgrades these days. That is, however, only based on my gut-feeling and not related to any real problems that we know about. |
| 15:09.46 | lnxslck | mdh, like xorg-video-sys, xorg-video-s3g... |
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| 15:10.02 | tictacbum | I'm trying to recompile openssh-server the Debian way, but I'm stuck at debuild step: http://pastebin.com/QFWk93Qq |
| 15:10.07 | mdh | i always thought it was aptitude that installed a bunch of extra stuff lol |
| 15:10.11 | tictacbum | that's what I did: http://pastebin.com/PVY31f9S |
| 15:10.12 | lnxslck | babilen, are you a part of debian dev team? |
| 15:10.29 | nvz | bahaa2008: 215-227 indicate the problem, the rest are just what it did to resolve it and allow X to continue to work rather than crash |
| 15:10.37 | lnxslck | mdh, and for example, i want to remove gnome-bluetooth only, then apt-get removes all of gnome... |
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| 15:10.52 | babilen | lnxslck: That behaviour is simply due to the fact that you asked apt-get to install a package you don't actually want to install. The xorg metapackage pulls in all these packages and you shouldn't install it if you don't want the -video-all metapackage. |
| 15:11.08 | babilen | lnxslck: I am DM and active on IRC |
| 15:11.26 | mdh | I think there is a way to force it to break dependencies to uninstall a single package, but you gotta know what you're doing |
| 15:11.47 | lnxslck | babilen, so if you want only X running, you only need xorg-server-core or whatever? |
| 15:13.22 | johndo | do I really have to call apt-cache policy <packagename>, copy the version number, go to debian archive pool, search the package .deb and download it, all manually?? |
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| 15:13.44 | themill | hands johndo aptitude download |
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| 15:14.09 | johndo | themill: aaahh, that lokks more like what i was looking for :) |
| 15:14.11 | bahaa2008 | nvz: did you review my link ? |
| 15:14.23 | babilen | lnxslck: That along with a suitable -video- package, -input- package and so on. I typically don't mind installing the (very small) -video- packages, but the way to do it is to mark one of the -video- packages as manually installed and to remove the -video-all package. |
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| 15:14.35 | nvz | bahaa2008: yes, hence why I responded |
| 15:15.06 | johndo | themill: thank you, works |
| 15:15.16 | johndo | one thing more to like aptitude ;) |
| 15:15.45 | nvz | bahaa2008: the problem is it cannot read your display, it used built-in safe modelines. you will have to specify your sync ranges manually.. I'd also check your cable and such if the monitor is not ancient because its probably missing pins or something |
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| 15:17.54 | SmashingX | Do you guys know why sent mass emails aren't logged as activities? |
| 15:18.38 | johndo | does /var/lib/dpkg/available contain any information which is correlated to the installed packages on the system or is it only the list of available packages in the pool? |
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| 15:21.41 | themill | johndo: aiui, available isn't used by anything other than dselect (i.e. not at all) |
| 15:22.24 | johndo | themill: it obviouls is used by dpkg, as it moans about parsing error in that file ;) |
| 15:22.41 | johndo | *obviously |
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| 15:23.00 | themill | I don't believe it's used by it, only looked at for consistency and because dselect and dpkg are not fully decoupled still |
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| 15:23.34 | johndo | themill: ok, so i can ignore these errors safely for now? |
| 15:23.43 | themill | !available |
| 15:23.44 | dpkg | If /var/lib/dpkg/available is corrupted (or generating warnings about illegal version numbers etc), "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available". Alternatively, you can try "rm /var/lib/dpkg/available; dselect update". |
| 15:24.18 | alirezaimi | Hi // Why When i back from suspend mode , bluetooth service running back and turning on ? // debian sid,mate desktop. |
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| 15:25.36 | johndo | themill: i won't risk to lose anything which at least seem to work for now, so if does not harm anything in the package database when i continue to use dpkg i stick with it |
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| 15:27.38 | johndo | my system is quite broken at the moment, upgrade to wheezy aborted in the middle and now i'm hitten by a python dependency mess ... |
| 15:28.13 | bahaa2008 | nvz: thanks for help and sorry i didn't see your previous reply |
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| 15:31.02 | alirezaimi | Why When i back from suspend mode , bluetooth service running back and turning on ? // (debian sid,mate desktop) // Any ideas ?? |
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| 15:36.07 | gypsymauro | hi, I've a software that allows me to activate on a virtual machine an "usb stick image", but I need to deploy a file, how can I create a usb stick image that contains files I need? |
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| 15:41.02 | somiaj | gypsymauro: what type of image is it? Basically you'll have to recreate the image if you want to add a single file to it. Though depending on the image type you can partition your usb stick and put the files you want on the second partition. I do this with the debian hdd images but the isousb hybrid images won't work that way. |
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| 15:43.06 | tictacbum | fatal error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory <--- shouldn't be on libgtk2.0-dev package? |
| 15:43.45 | somiaj | tictacbum: use apt-file or packages.debian.org to determine which package contains that file. |
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| 15:45.32 | somiaj | seems in libgtk2.0-dev it is really at /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h -- so if you have that package installed it could be your compiler isn't searching for the include files in the right directory |
| 15:46.04 | The_ManU_212 | hi can i palce a script qith updat-rc.d after posgres in rc0.d requierd stop postgres has no influence its alwys K01 instead k03 |
| 15:46.29 | tictacbum | somiaj: yes, I have it installed |
| 15:46.48 | sambagirl | test |
| 15:46.52 | tictacbum | somiaj: I did ldconfig |
| 15:46.54 | gypsymauro | somiaj: I've no one image :) and I've not an usb stick, i suppose it's the result of a dd if=/dev/usbstick of=image there is a way to create an image without having the usbstik? |
| 15:47.45 | somiaj | tictacbum: ldconfig is for .so files, this is different. I'm not sure why you are having errors, what program are you trying to compile that is complaining? |
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| 15:48.15 | somiaj | tictacbum: my initial guess it it should be looking in gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h as opposed to just gtk/gtk.h in its code. But I'm not that familar on how include directories are parsed |
| 15:48.29 | tictacbum | somiaj: openssh. like this http://pastebin.com/PVY31f9S |
| 15:48.41 | tictacbum | with debuild |
| 15:48.52 | tictacbum | should be easy :) |
| 15:48.58 | somiaj | gypsymauro: again it depends on what type of image do you want? Do you want it to be bootable? if you want to create a custom debian live image, check out live.debian.net |
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| 15:51.58 | somiaj | tictacbum: well try 'apt-get -b source openssh-server' -- if that works then it is something with your patch. If that doesn't work then what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:52.28 | somiaj | tictacbum: also what version of debian are you running and why do you need this patch on debian? |
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| 15:53.09 | tictacbum | somiaj: I'm on Wheezy, I need to patch ssh to lookup public keys on a sql database |
| 15:53.54 | UltraMC | Hi. I have cool, customised Debian OS on my box. Is there a way to "pack it as it is" with all its drivers and programs installed and make out of it a "installing dvd" and "LIVE dvd"? If yes: how it is called? ;-) |
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| 15:55.05 | somiaj | tictacbum: well it could be a bug in wheezy (though I'm surprised by that). |
| 15:55.15 | gypsymauro | somiaj: no no nothing bootable just a usb pen with a file inside it.. I need to use in the debian installer that needs a patched grub for multipath |
| 15:55.16 | somiaj | UltraMC: what do you mean by 'customized Debian OS'? |
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| 15:55.41 | somiaj | gypsymauro: so you just need to make a filesystem image on a file? |
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| 15:56.21 | UltraMC | somiaj, with programs, drivers, shortcuts and wallpaper installed, |
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| 15:56.23 | somiaj | gypsymauro: touch 'imagename', mkfs -options imagename -- that will put a file system on that file, you can then mount it as a loop back device and put any files you want on it. Though seems to be convoluted to get one file onto a vm |
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| 15:56.46 | somiaj | UltraMC: look at live.debian.net -- there are instructions on how to do that. You need a package list + config files. |
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| 15:57.06 | tictacbum | somiaj: I tried apt-get -b source openssh-server, with same error, also patching and compiling with ./configure and make works |
| 15:57.19 | UltraMC | somiaj, so I cant "pack" it? I have to "build" it from scratch again |
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| 15:57.46 | tictacbum | *without debian patches, on original source code |
| 15:57.47 | somiaj | UltraMC: well if you want a liveUSB or liveDVD yes. |
| 15:58.08 | somiaj | tictacbum: it could be a bug in wheezy, I would check the bts and try to track down why it isn't building. |
| 15:58.26 | tictacbum | somiaj: I'll take a look, thanks |
| 15:58.32 | UltraMC | somiaj, what about install DVD? On Windows after working on it for a year I could make it my "installation" and when I installed it on another PC It had all this things Ive done along that year |
| 15:58.55 | somiaj | UltraMC: you can ofcourse just copy your filesystem to a usb drive/stick, then install grub to make it bootable. |
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| 15:59.14 | UltraMC | somiaj, but? |
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| 15:59.48 | somiaj | UltraMC: well you can of course just copy over the files and then get grub to make the system bootable. Coping over your current install to something else is easy. But if you awnt a portable liveDVD that can boot up on any system and then have an install option/tool, you'll want to make a liveDVD image from live.debian.net |
| 16:00.38 | systemd0wn | Question. I'm installing a mainline kernel as recomended by a bugreport. I see "Possible missing firmware", and "errors were encountered while processing: linux-headers-3.6.0-999-generic" |
| 16:01.24 | UltraMC | somiaj, thank you |
| 16:01.26 | somiaj | systemd0wn: debian puts all the non-free firmware in firmware packages in the non-free repo which isn't enabled by default |
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| 16:01.58 | systemd0wn | oh. sorry. This is for ubuntu. wrong chan. Unless that still applies. |
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| 16:02.11 | somiaj | systemd0wn: though what is this package you are talking about debian doesn't have 3.6.0 kernels |
| 16:02.14 | somiaj | !ubuntu |
| 16:02.15 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 16:02.44 | systemd0wn | yes. I know. Like i said, wrong chan. |
| 16:02.58 | systemd0wn | Thank you though somiaj. |
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| 16:03.47 | bush | 3478:error:0906906F:PEM routines:PEM_ASN1_write_bio:read key:pem_lib.c:334: when trying to generate a cert with openssl. this was supposedly fixed in openssl 0.9.8o-4squeeze1, any ideas? |
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| 16:07.30 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions openssl |
| 16:07.32 | judd | Package: openssl on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny16; lenny-backports: 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze12; squeeze-proposed-updates: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze13; wheezy: 1.0.1c-3; sid: 1.0.1c-4 |
| 16:07.41 | somiaj | tictacbum: apt-get -b source openssh works just fine here on sid. Not sure what is messed up on your wheezy install making it not work |
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| 16:08.26 | tictacbum | somiaj: I'll try now on a fresh Wheezy install |
| 16:08.51 | somiaj | tictacbum: debootstrap + chroot is a good way to quickly test fresh build enviorments |
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| 16:10.11 | tictacbum | somiaj: found a reference to pbuilder, is better option? |
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| 16:10.58 | somiaj | I don't know what pbuilder is |
| 16:11.23 | tictacbum | somiaj: I readed that here: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 16:12.46 | somiaj | tictacbum: ahh, never seen that before. Seems to be just more automated version of what I suggested (as it depends on debootstrap to create the chroot build env) |
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| 16:13.18 | tictacbum | somiaj: yes, seems easy to run: sudo pbuilder create --distribution wheezy |
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| 16:16.19 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, how to limit user only to his home folder (for ssh)? |
| 16:16.41 | The_ManU_212 | how can i change the sequence in rc*.d? |
| 16:17.33 | consfearacy | I installed NVIDIA driver, then i Startx and it works, when I leave X back to console I hear the video card fan start working in full speed... |
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| 16:20.38 | somiaj | DarkKnightCZ: some issues is if you chroot a user to their /home dir via ssh, what sort of commands do you want the user to have in its shell (you'll basically need to build a chroot env which has copies of all binaries/libs you want people to have access to) |
| 16:20.53 | somiaj | DarkKnightCZ: so what is the point of limiting a user to his home dir via ssh? |
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| 16:21.27 | DarkKnightCZ | somiaj: i dont need to limit their commands, just to one folder |
| 16:21.45 | DarkKnightCZ | so they cannot normaly access other folders |
| 16:21.48 | somiaj | The_ManU_212: update-rc.d is the debian tool to do that |
| 16:22.16 | somiaj | DarkKnightCZ: well if they are limited to their home folder they won't be able to see the commands on your computer |
| 16:22.20 | The_ManU_212 | somiaj: yeah but i typ postgresql in required and it starts not after |
| 16:22.22 | somiaj | DarkKnightCZ: what do you mean by 'limit them to one folder' |
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| 16:23.26 | DarkKnightCZ | somiaj: user 'test', home folder /home/test, when this user logs into server via ssh, he is in folder /home/test and he cannot go to folders /home, /var , etc |
| 16:24.03 | somiaj | The_ManU_212: some issues is the init script will lots of time exit sucessfully but it may still take a bit for the database to be ready to accept connenctions. |
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| 16:24.30 | somiaj | DarkKnightCZ: I think you need to rethink what you are doing. If you limit a user to its home dir he won't be able to see into /bin and /usr/bin (thus he won't really have any commands)( |
| 16:24.58 | The_ManU_212 | somiaj: lx office starts befor a database of postgresql startet, i want the sequence that lxoffice starts AFTER postgresql |
| 16:25.07 | somiaj | DarkKnightCZ: you can setup chroot enviorments, but then you need to copy over all these bins you want them to have access to to their chroot. Really, why do you want to give users ssh access and then limit them beyond normal permisions? |
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| 16:25.25 | DarkKnightCZ | somiaj: yes |
| 16:25.27 | somiaj | The_ManU_212: and you edited the LSBheaders in the init script in /etc/init.d |
| 16:25.54 | The_ManU_212 | somiaj: yeah got it typing er |
| 16:26.02 | The_ManU_212 | ros and 1st time on debian :/ |
| 16:26.04 | The_ManU_212 | sry |
| 16:26.19 | bush | http://pastebin.com/RbezfuKJ |
| 16:26.28 | bush | anybody able to shed some light on this openssl error? |
| 16:26.38 | DarkKnightCZ | found it on howtoforge, thaks for helping anyway |
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| 16:26.55 | bush | i think its just related to the version of openssl, but beyond that i have no idea what else it could be. |
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| 16:27.18 | bush | openssl 0.9.8o-4squeeze13 |
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| 16:30.14 | tictacbum | somiaj: in chroot it compiles :/ |
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| 16:32.53 | somiaj | tictacbum: then something is wrong with your build system. if you only want the binary package in the long run anyways, just creat it in the chroot the install it in your systems |
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| 16:34.07 | MO_Handes | does suspending laptop uses power? what exactly shuts down? Is it ok to always suspend instead of shut down? |
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| 16:36.08 | tictacbum | somiaj: I'll do this way. It's possible that on my system it detects an X server (or libs) and tries to compile more things than on chroot? |
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| 16:36.40 | somiaj | MO_Handes: yes supsend uses power (my battery which lasts for 2 hours normally lasts for about a week suspended) |
| 16:36.47 | Calinou | MO_Handes, suspending is often broken, I advise just shutting down |
| 16:36.49 | Calinou | I never suspend |
| 16:37.11 | somiaj | MO_Handes: suspend needs power because memory needs it. I haven't actually shtudown my laptop in about 6 months and only suspend it |
| 16:37.49 | superstraw | I like hibernating when the lid closes |
| 16:37.57 | somiaj | hibernate on the other hand can work without power, but it basically has to reboot up so it dosen't save time. I like suspend because of speed on older laptops and I don't have to save all my work as I move from home to work. |
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| 16:39.40 | MO_Handes | how can I hibernate?! |
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| 16:40.10 | abrotman | how can i google ... |
| 16:40.31 | abrotman | !tell MO_Handes about hibernate |
| 16:41.18 | johndo | when i have unconfigured / half configured packages (with dpkg --audit) is it save to run apt-get upgrade? i.e. does apt handle these states properly? |
| 16:41.36 | johndo | *safe |
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| 16:42.15 | somiaj | why would you want to do that? finish installing all the packages first. |
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| 16:42.45 | johndo | somiaj: because i probably will have to install dozens of packages by hand with dpkg ;) |
| 16:43.22 | somiaj | do that before you upgrade, sounds like you will only create more problems other way aroudn |
| 16:43.24 | johndo | i have upgraded dpkg, apt, aptitude, ... manually to wheezy, would like to try the rest again with apt |
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| 16:43.47 | johndo | hmmm, ok |
| 16:44.05 | somiaj | are you testing the squeeze -> wheezy dist-upgrade? |
| 16:44.18 | johndo | somiaj: not really testing :D |
| 16:44.28 | johndo | at least it was not intended to be a test ;) |
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| 16:44.49 | somiaj | its in the testing state. It is always a test. (: |
| 16:44.52 | johndo | somiaj: but yes, i try to upgrade too wheezy |
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| 16:45.06 | johndo | big mess so far |
| 16:45.29 | johndo | upgrade runs fine on servers so far, but desktop is a pain |
| 16:45.42 | somiaj | yea there is a lot of testing/fixing needed on the squeeze->wheezy upgrade before it can be released. |
| 16:46.14 | somiaj | yer upgrading your servers to a non-secure debian testing? |
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| 16:47.03 | johndo | somiaj: don't worry, it's inhouse behind non-routing firewall and only the non-critical ones ;) |
| 16:47.12 | dokma | is there any way to tell when a package from testing will arrive to stable? |
| 16:47.29 | themill | dokma: packages don't move from testing to stable |
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| 16:47.49 | dokma | how do packages in stable progress in version? |
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| 16:48.20 | themill | dokma: packages in stable do not change. That's the point of "stable". |
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| 16:48.54 | dokma | I see, so only a new release changes that? |
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| 16:50.34 | deadmund | banshee has some commands (e.g. banshee --next) that I'd like to run from an ssh client but I get this error when I do: (Banshee:14567): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: xhost + isn't helping |
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| 16:51.00 | johndo | deadmund: try ssh -X |
| 16:51.01 | dkr | deadmund: ssh -X ? |
| 16:51.17 | aaron | hey i got a question, i have a Sony VPCEL laptop, every time i try installing Debian, it's either a network issue, any one know which distro of debian i can install so i can install it success? |
| 16:51.41 | deadmund | johndo drk I'll try that. |
| 16:51.44 | sney | aaron: not nearly enough information |
| 16:51.57 | dkr | or even a complete sentence |
| 16:51.58 | aaron | I'm using Arch and it works fine |
| 16:52.25 | aaron | on the x68_x64 flavor |
| 16:53.10 | deadmund | johndo dkr that opens another instance of banshee that I can see locally but controls the audio of the server. this is not the desired effect. I want to control the sound of the server's current banshee instance. I don't care if I see anything on the client |
| 16:53.14 | sney | aaron: do you know what network controller that system has |
| 16:53.41 | aaron | atheros |
| 16:53.48 | aaron | i'm using the ath9k driver |
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| 16:54.00 | sney | atheros is a company, not a nic. what's the pci id? |
| 16:54.30 | aaron | AR8151 |
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| 16:54.36 | aaron | is that it? |
| 16:55.05 | sney | lspci -nn shows pci ids |
| 16:55.53 | plueschopath1 | root@debian:/mnt/boot# du -sh * |
| 16:55.54 | plueschopath1 | 2.0T config-3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 16:55.54 | plueschopath1 | 2.1M grub |
| 16:55.54 | plueschopath1 | 1.7T initrd.img-3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 16:55.54 | plueschopath1 | 456G System.map-3.2.0-3-amd6 |
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| 16:56.23 | plueschopath1 | sorry but... HOLY? |
| 16:56.37 | sney | indeed. that's a pretty big text file. |
| 16:56.54 | sney | does ls -sh show the same oddity? |
| 16:56.59 | aaron | it says ethernet controler [0200]: Atheros Communication INC AR8151 v 2.0 Gigabit Ethernet [1969:1083] (rev c0) |
| 16:57.01 | aaron | is that it? |
| 16:57.06 | sney | ,pciid 1969:1083 |
| 16:57.07 | judd | [1969:1083] is 'AR8151 v2.0 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1083 |
| 16:57.34 | aaron | damn I Miss Debian, |
| 16:57.54 | sney | well, that's your wired ethernet, so it wouldn't be ath9k. but it's also not supported by squeeze's kernel, so you'll want to either use the kmuto installer or use testing |
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| 16:58.21 | aaron | sney, can you give me directly the Link for the ISo to download, |
| 16:58.23 | aaron | so i can burn |
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| 16:58.38 | sney | !kmuto |
| 16:58.38 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
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| 16:58.54 | sney | or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer depending on which one you want |
| 16:59.23 | aaron | sney, which one do i need so i can install debian successfully? |
| 16:59.38 | aaron | do i get the AMD64 or the i386? |
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| 17:00.03 | sney | amd64 in debian is the same thing as x86_64 in other distros |
| 17:00.14 | aaron | oh |
| 17:00.35 | sney | !amd64 |
| 17:00.35 | dpkg | amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Intel Core 2, Core i3/i5/i7 and Xeon (since 2004) systems are x86-64. The AMD64 architecture also supports running Debian i386 with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. See also <why amd64> and <why not amd64>. |
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| 17:01.50 | abrotman | !tell sney about bottell |
| 17:01.52 | consfearacy | I installed NVIDIA driver, then i Startx and it works, when I leave X back to console I hear the video card fan start working in full speed... |
| 17:01.56 | consfearacy | any ideas? |
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| 17:03.02 | digdilem | consfearacy, guessing, but without the driver giving temp/speed instructions, some chipsets will revert to full speed |
| 17:03.09 | sney | abrotman: of course, when there's anything else going on in the channel and there's noise to reduce. |
| 17:03.13 | digdilem | i don't have a solution though |
| 17:03.34 | consfearacy | digdilem: ok thanks |
| 17:03.49 | tharkun | !tell abrotman about bugger |
| 17:04.00 | tharkun | hides behind sney |
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| 17:05.25 | abrotman | sney: still, unless the recipient can't find the dpkg window, it makes it easier on all of us |
| 17:05.39 | abrotman | sney: and teaches new IRCers a good habit |
| 17:05.40 | sney | shrug |
| 17:05.58 | tharkun | slaps abrotman |
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| 17:08.32 | kurtis | Hey guys, what is missing when I have to run "eval `ssh-agent`" every time I login to my server and have to use "ssh-add" for my git keys? On my other computers, it seems to pickup my SSH keys automatically |
| 17:08.34 | aaron | so sney I'm not going to have issues with my network any more? |
| 17:09.03 | mgaunard__ | hi, does someone know how to configure 801.1x authentication on a wired network only using the command line? |
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| 17:09.22 | kurtis | mgaunard__, wired? |
| 17:10.07 | sney | aaron: I can't guarantee that, but it's more likely to work at least. if you have any more problems, feel free to come back, and just remember that we are not at your computer with you so you need to give us all the relevant information |
| 17:10.08 | mgaunard__ | as in not wireless |
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| 17:14.28 | tharkun | I've noticed a difference in performance when using bzip2 and using xz, when files to be compressed are in the order of a few hundred mb bzip2 seems to be the overall winner. When file size increases increases beyond a 1 gb ~ xz starts to make a better job. Does anyone know what would be a good search term to further research this curiosity? |
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| 17:15.27 | optraz | is it possible to install two ftp daemon in a system? |
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| 17:15.52 | tharkun | optraz: make them listen on diffent ports. But that is suboptimal |
| 17:16.30 | optraz | tharkun: yes, i know but apt-get does not allow me to install two of it.. if ftp-a is install, it remove ftp-b |
| 17:16.52 | tharkun | download the .deb file the dpkg -i and force it |
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| 17:18.01 | optraz | tharkun: how do i download the .deb file? |
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| 17:19.50 | tharkun | optraz: IIRC http://packages.debian.org |
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| 17:20.19 | tharkun | also aptitude download but I ain't that proficient using aptitude |
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| 17:25.35 | optraz | tharkun: thanks, dpkg -i --force-all :) |
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| 17:26.15 | tharkun | np |
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| 17:28.28 | tictacbum | somiaj: finally managed to compile on my system by installing libpng12-dev :_) thanks for your help with this |
| 17:30.25 | mgaunard__ | why does debian ignore my cdrom when I do apt-get update |
| 17:30.57 | BlitzHere | sources.list? |
| 17:31.03 | tictacbum | mgaunard__: do you have it listed on /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:31.14 | mgaunard__ | yes |
| 17:31.40 | tictacbum | maybe all packages you are updating are newer on the remote repository |
| 17:31.48 | mgaunard__ | I do not have internet connectivity |
| 17:31.58 | sney | I think you need to use apt-cdrom |
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| 17:32.08 | mgaunard__ | I've already tried that. |
| 17:32.30 | dury | hi there |
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| 17:34.44 | mgaunard__ | https://gist.github.com/6e796b91652c3e63feb4 |
| 17:34.48 | mgaunard__ | why is it ignoring my cdrom |
| 17:35.37 | sney | perhaps it already has (or thinks it has) a cache of that cd's package list? |
| 17:35.56 | sney | try installing something, or: try 'apt-get clean' and then 'apt-get update' again |
| 17:36.31 | mgaunard__ | I don't even have ifconfig or dhclient or anything, and it says the package doesn't exist |
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| 17:39.13 | luke-jr | Both fdisk and cfdisk complain about Debian 6 installer making an invalid partition table - should I be concerned? |
| 17:39.36 | luke-jr | "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary." |
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| 17:40.00 | BlitzHere | SSD? |
| 17:40.17 | luke-jr | no, normal drives |
| 17:40.22 | sney | I've ignored warnings like that with no ill effects |
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| 17:43.46 | ptrk | i get the following message when trying to install gcc http://paste.debian.net/182585/. i'm tracking stable and backports plus wheezy (pinned at priority 50). my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/182586/. what can i do? |
| 17:43.58 | sney | !frankendebian |
| 17:43.58 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 17:44.16 | ptrk | :) |
| 17:44.35 | sney | it was fine until you added wheezy. |
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| 17:44.55 | ptrk | but i pulled only single package from it |
| 17:45.03 | ptrk | (with dependencies) |
| 17:45.51 | sney | wheezy and squeeze are very different from each other. that "single package with dependencies" is what caused your situation now. I hope you remember what it was so you can remove it, |
| 17:45.55 | sney | !tell ptrk about ssb |
| 17:46.24 | sney | if you are able to get back to a functional squeeze system, in the future, follow the instructions dpkg just gave you to backport things yourself |
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| 17:46.55 | The_ManU_212 | what do i need to write in a crips in /etc/init.d that it stops exactly bevor sendsigs in rc0.d? |
| 17:47.06 | The_ManU_212 | *script |
| 17:47.33 | SiDz | how can you explain that: i have 3 vps running debian wheezy amd64, on 2 of those, command check-selinux-installation work fine, but on the third one: http://paste.debian.net/182588/ |
| 17:47.41 | SiDz | its like... weird? |
| 17:47.50 | johndo | is there any way to prevent the execution of a package prerm script? |
| 17:48.13 | nkuttler | johndo: edit the script? |
| 17:48.13 | sney | SiDz: same version of python on all 3? |
| 17:48.17 | johndo | nkuttler: this is not checksummed? |
| 17:48.21 | SiDz | sney yes |
| 17:48.31 | nkuttler | johndo: maybe during install, not later |
| 17:49.03 | SiDz | i mailed the maintainer of selinux |
| 17:49.12 | SiDz | but it could take long before he answer me |
| 17:49.18 | johndo | any more "clean" way? |
| 17:49.51 | nkuttler | johndo: if you remove the package anyway why do you care about doing it differently? |
| 17:50.20 | johndo | nkuttler: good point, ok :) |
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| 17:50.47 | nkuttler | johndo: there might be some apt/dpkg/debconf configuration or something, no idea |
| 17:51.08 | nkuttler | but editing package scripts is quite common, for debugging etc |
| 17:51.19 | johndo | defoma is gone in wheezy, completely? so i can purge anything i found with that name later? |
| 17:51.38 | sney | SiDz: you could ask in #selinux |
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| 17:52.01 | SiDz | check-selinux-installation is related to debian, not selinux |
| 17:52.05 | SiDz | no? |
| 17:52.12 | SiDz | it's a python script |
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| 17:53.43 | prova | hello |
| 17:53.57 | prova | !channel |
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| 17:56.01 | sney | SiDz: sorry, just a guess, I'm not a selinux user |
| 17:56.30 | sney | SiDz: maybe install debsums and see if any of the relevant packages don't match |
| 17:56.38 | sney | prova: ? |
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| 17:57.36 | SiDz | ive checked the 22_postfix.py on my 2 other box |
| 17:57.39 | SiDz | they are same |
| 17:58.02 | SiDz | debsums don't report anything about selinux, only about fail2ban cause i patched it ipv6 |
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| 18:03.07 | mynameisdeleted | http://www.osnews.com/story/26247/CDE_released_as_open_source |
| 18:03.11 | mynameisdeleted | any opinions on cde? |
| 18:03.17 | mynameisdeleted | as open source software? |
| 18:03.47 | sney | too little too late. xfce had the same interface as free software almost a decade ago. also, this is a support channel, opinions go to #debian-offtopic |
| 18:04.00 | mynameisdeleted | ahh |
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| 18:04.17 | mynameisdeleted | I'm grabbing that and putting it on my debian box |
| 18:04.25 | mynameisdeleted | I might make packages for it too iff there arent any already |
| 18:04.48 | Quetzalcoatl | I'm having an issue with sound not working in debian/wheezy -- not sure where to start but the issue seems to be pulseaudio being useless |
| 18:05.01 | mynameisdeleted | where do I submit new packages? |
| 18:05.38 | themill | dpkg: tell mynameisdeleted about itp |
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| 18:07.36 | johndo | dpkg is working in spool or temp directories when it unpacks a package and prepares for upgrade, right? so when it fails it does not change anything to the system? |
| 18:07.37 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, johndo |
| 18:07.50 | johndo | silly bot :D |
| 18:07.54 | Quetzalcoatl | Not having sound is gonna drive me nuts |
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| 18:10.52 | deadmund | Running xfce4. I set the sliders in the power settings to never turn the screen off on my machine yet after ~2 minutes it turns off! What is going on here? competing power management things? |
| 18:12.19 | KlausShroud | deadmund: have you seen your screensaver settings? |
| 18:12.53 | deadmund | KlausShroud, a-ha! Good idea ) |
| 18:13.08 | KlausShroud | lol |
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| 18:15.03 | mynameisdeleted | https://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/LinuxBuild/ instructions for buiding cde on debian and ubuntu.... I guess for here I follow the debian instructions and may ask later for help with dpkg |
| 18:15.09 | mynameisdeleted | I'm trying for debian stable |
| 18:15.17 | sney | !nmg |
| 18:15.17 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 18:15.18 | mynameisdeleted | should I go for testing for now and when that becomes stable it wont matter ? |
| 18:15.36 | sney | mynameisdeleted: I wouldn't expect to become a package maintainer so quickly out the gate. http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 18:16.19 | polyurethane | I recently installed Truecrypt, my extern HDD is already encrypted; I mounted it and tried to open it, but the map comes up instantly closes.. Why? (I encrypted it on my Windows computer if that makes a difference) |
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| 18:16.36 | perlstein | hello, i'm trying to install coinall package by building from source, unfortunately lintian is upset because shlibs are being installed 755 instead of 644 |
| 18:16.43 | mynameisdeleted | so I have to contact a debian mentor once I get the package building |
| 18:17.06 | perlstein | coinall uses autoconf/automake/autoetc, is there a way to get it to install shared libraries with mode 644? |
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| 18:17.09 | sney | mynameisdeleted: right |
| 18:17.29 | sney | mynameisdeleted: and check first to see if anyone else has filed an itp for that software |
| 18:17.36 | mynameisdeleted | ok |
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| 18:20.01 | mynameisdeleted | any new package shoudl support squeeze and testing? |
| 18:20.23 | mynameisdeleted | its currently an alpha product so maybe testing only |
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| 18:21.31 | sney | mynameisdeleted: new packages are uploaded to sid or experimental only, then migrate downwards through various processes. |
| 18:22.44 | sney | mynameisdeleted: please look at the New Maintainer's Guide linked by dpkg earlier |
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| 18:26.12 | johndo | now i have a broken prerm script on a package upgrade |
| 18:26.21 | johndo | what's the best way to deal with that? |
| 18:26.36 | johndo | remove with --ignore-depends and reinstall? |
| 18:26.47 | thewanderer1 | johndo, fix the script |
| 18:26.58 | polyurethane | so I have mounted my extern HDD, but I cannot access the map because I am not root? How should I go on about accessing it? |
| 18:27.14 | johndo | thewanderer1: cannot, it requires an app which already is removed (defoma) |
| 18:27.39 | thewanderer1 | johndo, so hack the script, put some exit 0; at the top or so |
| 18:28.16 | johndo | thewanderer1: and that will not harm the upgraded package version then? |
| 18:29.22 | johndo | hmm, ok, i guess the script will be overwritten after the old prerm script has been executed .. |
| 18:29.52 | thewanderer1 | yup |
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| 18:32.46 | tharkun | Where does fail2ban have the time lapse where it does its log polling? |
| 18:33.14 | tharkun | Rephrasing how do i make fail2ban to poll every 2 minutes the logs? |
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| 18:33.35 | polyurethane | how do I move files with terminal? |
| 18:33.39 | polyurethane | From one folder to another. |
| 18:33.41 | sney | polyurethane: 'mv' |
| 18:33.44 | tharkun | polyurethane: man mv |
| 18:33.52 | polyurethane | mv <file><destination>? |
| 18:34.19 | Calinou | (you can also renames files using mv) |
| 18:34.36 | tharkun | or delete them if you feel like it |
| 18:34.46 | polyurethane | whats |
| 18:34.48 | polyurethane | mv <file><destination>? |
| 18:34.57 | polyurethane | the command is mv, but how do I actually move it <.< |
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| 18:35.55 | tharkun | mv polyurethane /home/host/new_sub_dir |
| 18:36.25 | The_ManU_212 | how can i get a script exactly to stop before /etc/init.d/sendsigs stops |
| 18:36.54 | tharkun | The_ManU_212: Do you want to stop that script from running? |
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| 18:37.37 | johndo | polyurethane: you may want to use mv -i ... when you first use that command (to prevent possible accidents) |
| 18:37.57 | damacus | tharkun: it looks like the polling interval isnt configurable |
| 18:38.01 | damacus | tharkun: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481265 |
| 18:38.17 | The_ManU_212 | tharkun: yes i palyed 45 mins around with update-rc.d and it is placed at K01 and has to be before K03sendsigs |
| 18:38.18 | palermo | what was the command we used to update module? |
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| 18:38.20 | palermo | modules |
| 18:38.25 | palermo | err no wait |
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| 18:38.46 | dvs | depmod? |
| 18:38.51 | damacus | tharkun: you might be able to use another backend? dunno. |
| 18:39.35 | palermo | dvs, i mean what is the command to update libraries? |
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| 18:40.11 | johndo | The_ManU_212: when you use dependency based boot system that is controlled by the headers in the init scripts (### BEGIN INIT INFO ... ### END INIT INFO) |
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| 18:40.42 | The_ManU_212 | johndo: yes |
| 18:41.07 | dvs | palermo: That doesn't make sense to me. A Debian package automatically installs the version of the libraries its needs. |
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| 18:42.21 | palermo | dvs, i removed nvidia drivers but it still appears in lsmod.. what do? |
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| 18:42.36 | sney | palermo: either 'modprobe -r nvidia' or reboot |
| 18:42.39 | The_ManU_212 | johndo: and this doesnt seem to work |
| 18:42.58 | palermo | sney thanks |
| 18:43.06 | johndo | The_ManU_212: ok, sorry, didn't understand the problem correctly |
| 18:43.32 | mynameisdeleted | just compiled cde for me.... my new default desktop... no more kde or gnome |
| 18:43.43 | sney | welcome to 1993, I guess |
| 18:44.05 | mynameisdeleted | before that people used OLWM.... haha |
| 18:44.18 | palermo | how do i get sound in console? i installed alsa but it has no "alsaconf"? |
| 18:44.23 | johndo | olVwm ;) |
| 18:44.36 | The_ManU_212 | johndo: i want my script to be stopped under rc0.d exactly before sendsigs stops |
| 18:45.08 | tharkun | damacus: according to that bug report it is configurable since 0.8.2 yet it is not documented how it is done. :8 |
| 18:46.16 | mynameisdeleted | so.. if cde became open-source 15 years ago might it still be the base of a modern standard? |
| 18:46.26 | mynameisdeleted | or if irix interactive desktop became fully open-sourced 15 years ago |
| 18:46.37 | johndo | The_ManU_212: so you have to add sendsigs to the Should-Stop: or Required-Stop: list of the script (not sure which of them, would have to look) |
| 18:46.50 | ptrk | sney: can you help me to bring my system back to life? i have found in apt's history.log which packages where pulled from wheezy |
| 18:46.51 | The_ManU_212 | johndo: doesnt work |
| 18:46.52 | johndo | if that doesn't work, no clue what to do else :) |
| 18:47.08 | sney | ptrk: then remove them. if you can't, reinstall |
| 18:47.37 | The_ManU_212 | johndo: then it stops before sendsigs but not directly before it 2 stops 5 stops not without another stop between it |
| 18:47.45 | ptrk | sney: some of them were upgrades to already existing squeeze packages so i can't just remove them |
| 18:48.20 | ptrk | the worst thing is that i don't know which were the upgrades and which were the NEW ones |
| 18:48.22 | sney | !tell ptrk about downgrade |
| 18:48.34 | johndo | The_ManU_212: then you have to modify the other scripts too which have to stop before your script |
| 18:49.19 | johndo | (not really nice, but i don't see any other way) |
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| 18:49.31 | The_ManU_212 | johndo: that isnt KISS ?! |
| 18:49.43 | johndo | it actually is KISS |
| 18:50.08 | johndo | one mechanism instead of two mechanisms (before and after) ;) |
| 18:50.58 | johndo | just not thought for individual (non-debian) extensions |
| 18:51.24 | roboman2444 | urgh, i get an out of disk error |
| 18:51.35 | roboman2444 | either grub does it, or the kernel does it |
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| 18:52.03 | roboman2444 | how do i fix? |
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| 19:03.34 | mxiia | how can I make my computer request the same IP no matter what router it connects to? |
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| 19:04.24 | Sm0ke0ut | set it to static |
| 19:05.51 | Sm0ke0ut | e.g. http://pastebin.com/qQyXWA7Y @ mxiia |
| 19:06.19 | mxiia | alright, thank you |
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| 19:06.27 | damacus | you can leave off network and broadcast |
| 19:06.30 | luke-jr | this non-free option: can I say "only if the hardware requires it"? |
| 19:06.31 | Sm0ke0ut | true |
| 19:06.41 | Sm0ke0ut | it's automatic calculated nowdays |
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| 19:07.15 | damacus | im kinda curious if it lets you leave off netmask if you specify those two though |
| 19:07.16 | damacus | never tried. |
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| 19:07.56 | Sm0ke0ut | you can also leave it to dhcp and just add "address <ip>" |
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| 19:16.30 | wiiguy | how can i fix this error ? "-bash: deb: command not found" |
| 19:16.45 | dvs | there is no such command as deb |
| 19:16.48 | dvs | easy |
| 19:17.12 | wiiguy | hmmm |
| 19:17.26 | wiiguy | ah i understand |
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| 19:37.02 | Sanjuro | whats an easy to setup firewall I could use that handles ipv6, basic stuff like open port X, allow box Y |
| 19:37.32 | dkr | smoothwall |
| 19:37.45 | Sanjuro | well, I mean on a debian box, local firewall |
| 19:38.13 | sney | I really liked shorewall for that |
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| 19:38.22 | sney | human-readable config file syntax yes please |
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| 19:39.00 | dkr | oops, I actually meant shorewall. |
| 19:39.14 | dkr | seeks out caffeine |
| 19:39.34 | cardamon | chirp |
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| 19:43.49 | aguitel | what is the user and password for the site:localhost:631 ? |
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| 19:44.21 | Sm0ke0ut | how should we know? |
| 19:44.44 | aguitel | to aad printer |
| 19:44.48 | aguitel | add |
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| 19:45.49 | dvs | aguitel: Add yourself to the "lpadmin" group and use your ID and password. |
| 19:45.53 | aguitel | dvs, ok |
| 19:46.03 | abec0 | aguitel: The root password should work too, I guess. |
| 19:46.20 | abec0 | (to access CUPS web interface) |
| 19:46.21 | dvs | meh, not security conscious |
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| 19:48.03 | aguitel | thanksssssss |
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| 19:54.32 | Ramapitecus | hi |
| 19:54.46 | Ramapitecus | im trying tu intal debian on my laptop |
| 19:55.20 | Ramapitecus | I placed the iso in my home partition, |
| 19:55.32 | Ramapitecus | witch I want to keep, |
| 19:55.56 | Ramapitecus | and downloaded the hd-media vmlinuz an initrd |
| 19:56.07 | Ramapitecus | configured grub2 to boot |
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| 19:56.47 | Ramapitecus | when it boots, it freezes, "mounting /dev/sda3 wich is my extended partition |
| 19:56.59 | Ramapitecus | did I miss something? |
| 19:57.10 | abrotman | the enter key is not punctuation .. |
| 19:57.27 | abrotman | Ramapitecus: doesn't hte install guide have instructions on this ? |
| 19:58.04 | Ramapitecus | well, i followed the instruction for hd- install |
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| 19:58.30 | tremon | Ramapitecus: never used the hd-media install, but why is it mounting /devsda3? Did you configure it to do so? |
| 19:58.42 | rpaddock | I have the following /etc/network/interfaces file (http://pastebin.com/bcLrHMnh). When my machine starts up, it correctly sets the static ip, but dns resolution fails until I ifdown then ifup. How can I fix that? |
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| 19:59.06 | Ramapitecus | no, it says, its auto searching for the iso |
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| 20:01.00 | tremon | rpaddock: some other process is overwriting /etc/resolv.conf during boot? |
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| 20:01.59 | tremon | Ramapitecus: is there some way you can force its location? if there's an easy workaround, that would be preferable since you're (hopefully) using the installer only once |
| 20:02.02 | prsn | hello! debsums --all --changed vsftpd says I'm missing file /etc/init.d/vsftpd, but apt-get --reinstall install vsftpd |
| 20:02.10 | prsn | succeeds but doesn't make that file |
| 20:02.21 | prsn | what should I do? |
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| 20:02.35 | Ramapitecus | well, i couldn't cancel the procces. |
| 20:02.38 | abrotman | !tell prsn about confmiss |
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| 20:02.41 | SiDz | how can i list all file installed by X package |
| 20:02.49 | SiDz | like i want to know what file bird package install |
| 20:02.50 | zifnab | !tell zifnab about confmiss |
| 20:03.03 | SiDz | anyone know? |
| 20:03.03 | prsn | abrotman: that doesn't seem right |
| 20:03.08 | zifnab | oO |
| 20:03.09 | Ramapitecus | whent to another tty and it doesnt have any thing but an ash, with builtin |
| 20:03.12 | prsn | abrotman: it's not a config file that's missing |
| 20:03.23 | zifnab | prsn: /etc/init.d/whatever are conf files |
| 20:03.28 | Ramapitecus | it starts just after setting the language |
| 20:03.31 | zifnab | if you modify them they don't get updated when the package updates |
| 20:03.37 | prsn | ok |
| 20:03.39 | prsn | thanks |
| 20:03.40 | zifnab | (it's kind of a weird distinction, but whatever) |
| 20:03.42 | zifnab | np |
| 20:03.58 | zifnab | they're essentially specialized bash scripts |
| 20:04.08 | prsn | can I have it re-add that file, but not overwrite /etc/vsftpd.conf? |
| 20:04.14 | prsn | i mean, i have a backup so it's nbd |
| 20:04.16 | prsn | just curious |
| 20:04.22 | zifnab | sudo cp /etc/vsftpd.conf /etc/vsftpd.conf.bak |
| 20:04.29 | zifnab | is what i'd do |
| 20:04.36 | prsn | yep, already done |
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| 20:04.48 | tremon | SiDz: man dpkg-query |
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| 20:05.55 | prsn | it looks like it didn't actually overwrite it after all |
| 20:06.05 | prsn | but did install the init.d script |
| 20:06.13 | tremon | prsn: for restoring a single conffile, I usually use dpkg -x to extract the dpkg (somewhere under /tmp), then copy the one file I need |
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| 20:07.02 | zifnab | could also 'aptitude download vsftpd', 'ar vx vsftp*.deb' 'tar xvfz data.tar.gz' 'cp ./etc/init.d/vsftpd /etc/init.d/vsftpd' |
| 20:07.04 | tremon | prsn: it's because you used confmiss, not --force-confold |
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| 20:08.27 | zifnab | anyone ever feel like they know so much useless shit that will ever be useful? |
| 20:08.38 | zifnab | because i think i just hit that point |
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| 20:09.40 | jhutchins_wk | zifnab: I know how to program a punch card sorter jump cord panel in RPG, System370 addembler, and JCL. |
| 20:09.59 | zifnab | jhutchins_wk: i feel better now, thanks! |
| 20:10.08 | jhutchins_wk | zifnab: How to use a slide rule... It's a pretty long list. |
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| 20:16.23 | abrotman | if tou say so |
| 20:16.59 | Rix | monitor doesnt go off when on standby (it goes blank but is still on). tried xset dpms force off, but it again goes blank instead of off |
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| 20:17.04 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 20:17.11 | Rix | maybe some driver issue? im using laptop with Ati 5730m |
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| 20:17.33 | Rix | the open-source Radeon driver (not the Catalyst proprietary driver) |
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| 20:23.53 | The_ManU_212 | hi |
| 20:24.53 | The_ManU_212 | how can i rpevent debian from sending sigterm to a process while shutting down? when shutting down i start a backup, after that K03 stage debian can go on, but i want the system not to terminate tasks while stopping them |
| 20:25.31 | The_ManU_212 | or deactivate parallel stops? i get an error stopped by administrator |
| 20:25.36 | The_ManU_212 | its pg_dump |
| 20:26.14 | GNU\colossus | have `shutdown` fire after pg_dump exits |
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| 20:37.56 | jelly-home | that'd be too simple. |
| 20:38.11 | SiDz | how can you explain that: i have 3 vps running debian wheezy amd64, on 2 of those, command check-selinux-installation work fine, but on the third one: http://paste.debian.net/182588/ |
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| 20:38.42 | SiDz | selinux run fine, but i can't check-selinux-installation |
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| 20:39.29 | jelly-home | SiDz: either your /etc/postfix/master.cf contains unusual lines, or that script doesn't handle the format (eg. line continuations, perhaps?) |
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| 20:41.12 | SiDz | maybe |
| 20:41.21 | SiDz | im gonna try to use master.cf from a working one |
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| 20:42.56 | jelly-home | that might break your postfix |
| 20:43.03 | aidalgol | fortune just gave me this: <Overfiend> we're calling 2.2 _POTATO_?? |
| 20:43.46 | SiDz | jelly-home sure but im backuping the other one |
| 20:43.49 | SiDz | and that is the problem |
| 20:44.00 | SiDz | check-selinux-installation don't like my master.cf |
| 20:44.24 | aidalgol | I think that would have been my reaction if I had been using Debian back then. |
| 20:44.38 | jelly-home | aidalgol: that was a thing that happened, yeah |
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| 20:44.50 | aidalgol | I have a similar sentiment on "wheezy." :P |
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| 20:45.04 | jelly-home | at least you appeare to like a woody |
| 20:45.12 | aidalgol | admits nothing. |
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| 20:45.40 | bla | I guess I was more mistified by 'Debian' than 'Potato' back then. But I had no idea what I'm trying to use. |
| 20:46.08 | aidalgol | So I see that Debian supports armhf as of 7. Is that in the ARM family? |
| 20:46.48 | aidalgol | Oh, I see: ARM hard-float. |
| 20:47.02 | aidalgol | never mind :P |
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| 20:53.05 | Rix | how do I create shortcut alt + ctrl + t to launch terminal (i've used to this shortcut but in debian it is not present) |
| 20:53.11 | aidalgol | Some Debian-based distributions claim to be rolling release, but is that even possible since even sid freezes (becomes "slushy" when testing is frozen)? |
| 20:53.23 | aidalgol | Rix: Depends on your desktop environment. |
| 20:53.34 | Rix | kde |
| 20:53.47 | Rix | found shortcuts but I can only edit them.. cant add anything |
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| 20:54.06 | jelly-home | aidalgol: a) they might not know what they're dealing with or b) they might be introducing their own... rolls? during that time |
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| 20:54.47 | jelly-home | aidalgol: experimental often becomes the new uploading place during these times |
| 20:54.49 | aidalgol | Rix: I have not used KDE in years, but Gnome and Xfce allow you to define keyboard combinations that execute a command. Try looking for that. |
| 20:55.00 | aidalgol | jelly-home: Oh, right, forgot about experimental. |
| 20:55.02 | jelly-home | aidalgol: eg... you want xfce 4.10? |
| 20:55.14 | jelly-home | ,v xfce4 |
| 20:55.15 | Rix | okey aidalgol thanks |
| 20:55.15 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 20:55.47 | jelly-home | iceweasel 14.0.1 ? |
| 20:55.49 | jelly-home | ,v xfce4 |
| 20:55.50 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 20:56.01 | jelly-home | you catch the drift. |
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| 20:56.44 | aidalgol | yep |
| 20:57.01 | aidalgol | Although you just asked for xfce, again. :P |
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| 20:58.01 | jelly-home | the drift [sunglasses] drifted away |
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| 20:58.46 | Hyppias | can I copy files between 2 machines A and B on my local net? |
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| 20:59.45 | LtL | Hyppias: of course you can. |
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| 21:00.14 | aidalgol | jelly-home: I won't shoot you for that, but don't expect me to play "Won't Get Fooled Again" for you. ;) |
| 21:00.33 | Hyppias | how ? I have a physical machine A and a VMware virtual one B. file on A must go to B... |
| 21:00.52 | aidalgol | Hyppias: scp is probably the easiest |
| 21:01.02 | Hyppias | ok |
| 21:01.33 | aidalgol | In the absence of an ssh server running on one of the machines involved, I tar the files and send that over a socket using netcat. |
| 21:01.40 | aidalgol | Then untar them on the other end. |
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| 21:02.12 | aidalgol | tar -vc foo bar | nc DEST PORT -q0 |
| 21:02.28 | aidalgol | receiving end: nc -l -p PORT -q0 | tar -vx |
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| 21:03.40 | qw12 | i am using debian lenny (can't upgrade to squeeze presently, so please don't suggest) and i think i should not put in sources.list anything saying "stable" since it will take that to be squeeze. (Instead need to put only lenny.) Is that correct ? |
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| 21:03.57 | damacus | qw12: upgrade to squeeze |
| 21:04.03 | aidalgol | You can also make the sender listen for connections if the receiver is not directly accessible (e.g. behind NAT): |
| 21:04.04 | damacus | :7 |
| 21:04.21 | aidalgol | sender: tar -vc foo bar | nc -l -p PORT -q0 |
| 21:04.26 | damacus | qw12: update to use archives |
| 21:04.31 | damacus | or oldstable |
| 21:04.54 | aidalgol | receiver: nc DEST PORT -q0 | tar -vx |
| 21:04.58 | damacus | qw12: http://www.besttechie.net/forums/topic/34147-no-updates-for-lenny-sources-list-needs-updating/page__p__150440#entry150440 |
| 21:04.58 | aidalgol | Hyppias: ^ |
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| 21:06.13 | Demar | Проверка кодировки |
| 21:06.33 | nkuttler | !ru |
| 21:06.33 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 21:07.22 | qw12 | damacus: already have archives |
| 21:07.59 | qw12 | damacus: I get the following error when i try to install imagemagick : The following packages have unmet dependencies: imagemagick: Depends: libmagick10 but it is not going to be installed Depends: libxt6 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
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| 21:09.37 | qw12 | what is the typical cycle for new release in debian ? |
| 21:09.52 | damacus | , versions libxt6 |
| 21:09.53 | judd | Package: libxt6 on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.5-3; squeeze: 1:1.0.7-1; sid: 1:1.1.3-1; wheezy: 1:1.1.3-1 |
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| 21:11.02 | qw12 | damacus: actually please ignore the previous error : the actual error is : |
| 21:11.03 | qw12 | Package imagemagick is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package imagemagick has no installation candidate |
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| 21:13.11 | LtL | qw12: it's available as imagemagick on squeeze. i have it. |
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| 21:13.53 | damacus | qw12: weird. are you 100% certain all your sources are working when you apt-get update? |
| 21:13.57 | qw12 | LtL: i am using lenny, do you knwo how i can install on lenny ? (squeeze is not option now) |
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| 21:14.02 | damacus | no 404s/302s etc |
| 21:14.10 | qw12 | damacus: i am trying apt-get update now |
| 21:14.38 | LtL | qw12: iirc i had it on lenny also, suggest you upgrade to squeeze. |
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| 21:16.01 | jhutchins_wk | qw12: Did you have dmm? |
| 21:16.13 | qw12 | jhutchins_wk: what is dmm ? |
| 21:16.17 | qw12 | damacus: getting Could not resolve 'archives.debian.org' |
| 21:16.23 | qw12 | damacus: need to see why |
| 21:16.26 | peterrooney | qw12: throw evrything together to see what breaks, fix, fix, fix, and when the bugs are really few and far between, freeze and fix some more. when it's ready, declare it stable. |
| 21:16.31 | jhutchins_wk | !dmm |
| 21:16.31 | dpkg | [dmm] deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>. |
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| 21:18.08 | jhutchins_wk | qw12: The site is up. |
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| 21:18.18 | jelly-home | qw12: it's "archive" not "archives" |
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| 21:18.42 | peterrooney | qw12: if you're still on lenny, stop. don't use lenny for anything unless under direct orders from idiots giving you trucks full of money to use it. |
| 21:18.45 | qw12 | jelly-home: yep corrected it, but now get 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.13 80] |
| 21:18.52 | qw12 | peterrooney: not an optoin now at all |
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| 21:19.19 | jelly-home | peterrooney: so, a regular paycheck every month is not good enough to keep using lenny? |
| 21:19.40 | jhutchins_wk | What is the big stupid fuss about lenny for? Is there some sekrit time bomb or something? Other distros have LTS for up to ten years! |
| 21:20.04 | jelly-home | nothing other than it being completely unsupported |
| 21:20.16 | jhutchins_wk | It's like a bunch of people are on this LENNY MUST DIE vendetta. |
| 21:20.27 | jelly-home | this means the bombs are public |
| 21:20.35 | jhutchins_wk | LTS is the one thing that Debian lacks these days. |
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| 21:22.02 | peterrooney | !lenny |
| 21:22.02 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 21:22.19 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: you can migrate to one such distro if you need it. If Canonical keeps their shit straight, I just might think seriously about that. |
| 21:22.32 | qw12 | damacus: this is my sources.list (http://pastebin.com/qvWdd8cY) and this is the error i am getting when i do apt-get update (http://pastebin.com/hT9Ts3qv). can you suggest how to fix ? |
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| 21:23.18 | jelly-home | qw12: you forgot "debian" in http://archive.debian.org/debian |
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| 21:24.17 | jelly-home | qw12: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 21:24.33 | damacus | holy crap that's awesome. dpkg never fails to impress |
| 21:25.23 | peterrooney | jhutchins_wk: lenny has no security support, and migrating to squeeze was straightforward. |
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| 21:25.59 | jelly-home | it's only straightforward for trivial installations |
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| 21:27.43 | damacus | i do wish debian had an LTS release. i hate having to go to ubuntu or cent for stuff that needs longevity |
| 21:28.02 | qw12 | jelly-home: thanks, trying again |
| 21:28.25 | damacus | at least thats the edge case. most stuff is more vanilla. |
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| 21:28.51 | lattera | now to figure out how to migrate from zfs to btrfs |
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| 21:29.15 | jelly-home | I typically backport the most critical bits for some time for my exposed systems. Say, bind9. |
| 21:29.31 | lattera | anyone use native zfs on debian? |
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| 21:29.49 | lattera | curious to how stable and performant it is |
| 21:30.00 | lattera | s/how/know |
| 21:30.06 | lattera | wow, I'm tired |
| 21:30.11 | johndo | will btrfs be considered 'stable' on wheezy? |
| 21:30.14 | lattera | I'm curious to know how stable and performant it is |
| 21:30.19 | jelly-home | johndo: no. |
| 21:30.30 | johndo | ext4? :D |
| 21:30.50 | jelly-home | johndo: btrfs is not considered stable by upstream at this point. ext4 is. |
| 21:31.08 | johndo | so ext4 finally is the default for wheezy? |
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| 21:31.15 | damacus | jelly-home: not a bad idea. |
| 21:31.16 | jelly-home | no idea |
| 21:31.23 | damacus | yes, re ext4. |
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| 21:32.38 | jelly-home | damacus: it's the same thing as when tracking upstream instead of using the distro provided binaries, you just do the fixes and upgrades yourself |
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| 21:33.35 | damacus | what are you using to track upstream? debian-security list? or something in addition |
| 21:33.41 | user | Hello, does anyone know where I can get the source code to the netinst version of debian stable? |
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| 21:34.04 | user | I've already looked here but can't find it: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/source/iso-cd/ |
| 21:34.39 | jelly-home | johndo: here's an interesting rule of thumb: a linux feature can be considered stable when RHEL supports it and RH deems it safe enough to throw it to their customer base. |
| 21:34.41 | sney | user: the source code to what, specifically? the installer? |
| 21:34.49 | jelly-home | s/to/at/ |
| 21:35.11 | johndo | jelly-home: good indicator, right |
| 21:35.15 | jelly-home | johndo: ext4 is present and fully supported since RHEL 6.0 and 5.6 |
| 21:35.15 | user | Everything that's on the cd preferably. |
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| 21:35.44 | Black_Prince | More like RHell |
| 21:35.49 | damacus | i am somewhat disturbed that ext4 consistently underperforms ext3 in benchmarks |
| 21:36.04 | damacus | i've been staying with ext3. |
| 21:36.22 | damacus | (seems with database loads primarily) |
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| 21:36.41 | jelly-home | Black_Prince: more like "how many kernel and userspace devels does YOUR favorite distro employ" |
| 21:36.51 | sney | user: well, that's all at packages.debian.org; the installer is called debian-installer and the rest of the software on there is just regular debian packages. more information on the installer itself can be found at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer and in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 21:37.39 | user | Hmm, what happens if I want to ship it and a client asks for the source code? Should I say what you just said? |
| 21:37.59 | johndo | damacus: my experience is rather the other way around, ext4 is faster for me |
| 21:38.11 | johndo | and the fsck times are a reason to switch for itself ;) |
| 21:38.12 | user | ... that might be breaking the terms of the GPL. :/ |
| 21:38.23 | jelly-home | user: you should check with your legal dept. |
| 21:38.32 | user | I don't have one! :) |
| 21:38.55 | sney | user: if you're distributing unmodified debian isos you can just redirect them to upstream and the dfsg. or you can research this yourself and keep all the orig.tgz handy |
| 21:39.11 | damacus | +1 |
| 21:39.14 | user | But they are modified. |
| 21:39.27 | damacus | if they're modified then you already have the source? |
| 21:39.37 | user | I modified the binaries. |
| 21:39.39 | jelly-home | user: ask in debian-legal on how to comply with terms of various components for said image |
| 21:39.49 | damacus | then provide the dist binaries and your patch |
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| 21:40.21 | user | But I want to also provide a working copy ... |
| 21:40.33 | user | showing what my patch does. |
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| 21:41.22 | user | I'll ask at debian-legal. |
| 21:41.29 | s3a | I'm using Wheezy and /tmp removes my data even if i set TMPTIME=7 (for example) in /etc/default/rcS (I rebooted several times and it keeps removing my stuff.) |
| 21:41.37 | themill | user: what's wrong with the source cd images you linked to?> |
| 21:41.39 | s3a | What should I do to fix this? |
| 21:42.01 | themill | s3a: do you have /tmp on tmpfs? |
| 21:42.16 | s3a | themill, 2 secs |
| 21:42.21 | user | themill: I can't find the source for the netinst version of debian stable. |
| 21:42.34 | themill | user: source for the packages that are on the netinst? |
| 21:42.47 | jelly-home | and d-i itself |
| 21:42.49 | user | themill: The whole cd. |
| 21:42.49 | themill | that would all be on CD1 of the source CD set |
| 21:42.54 | tharkun | themill: You seem to be the most knowledgable source of info of fail2ban, do you know where is documented how to change the time interval for log polling? (Out of the top of your mind else disregard) |
| 21:43.10 | themill | tharkun: I normally just install it and move on. Sorry. |
| 21:43.24 | tharkun | themill: Thanks |
| 21:43.54 | s3a | themill, ok that makes sense. RAMTMP=yes so it should be no, right? |
| 21:44.15 | user | There's nobody home at #debian-legal |
| 21:45.27 | jelly-home | user: I meant the mailing list. |
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| 21:45.35 | jhutchins_wk | user: Instant gratification fail. You might have to use a mailing list. |
| 21:45.36 | damacus | user: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/CheckOut |
| 21:45.51 | user | Okay, thanks. |
| 21:46.59 | akls | I'm going to make my laptop act as a router. Which OS should I look for? I really want something debian based and all I've found is vyatta, which isn't totally free. Is there any other good debian based os or should I take raw debian and do everything myself? |
| 21:47.05 | user | damacus: That only gives the source code to the d-i I think, do you know if that is all that's on the netinst cd? |
| 21:47.28 | damacus | user: i don't know, but probably. |
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| 21:47.51 | damacus | http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2005/04/msg00093.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2005/04/msg00095.html |
| 21:48.42 | themill | user: as I said, that would all be on the source CD1 |
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| 21:49.17 | user | Okay, so if I supply the source code for cd 1, there shouldn't be too much of a problem I guess. |
| 21:50.09 | themill | user: "source-CD-1" is not the source code for CD1, it is the first of the source CDs. |
| 21:50.41 | themill | user: note how all those CDs are 650MB and there are fewer of them than binary CDs |
| 21:50.59 | user | themill: Okay thanks. |
| 21:51.37 | themill | user: with a Packages file or a Sources file and the jigdo files, you could verify that everything is there |
| 21:52.18 | tharkun | Which one is less of a memory hog screen or tmux? |
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| 21:52.38 | s3a | themill, i just came back to say thanks when you see this because you're advice helped :) |
| 21:52.44 | s3a | your* |
| 21:52.45 | aidalgol | Which package is the one that makes the shell suggest missing packages when you try to run a non-existent command? Some Debian-based distros have that behaviour, and I want to remove it. |
| 21:52.56 | aidalgol | (e.g. Ubuntu, Backtrack) |
| 21:53.18 | user | I think I have everything, source code for netinst iso is on cd1, I have downloaded the additional package's source code, (so hopefully) I'm in compliance with the GPL. |
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| 21:53.34 | themill | s3a: :) |
| 21:53.50 | sneex | That link to sources is still broken in the weekly spins :P |
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| 21:53.56 | sneex | Also Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtk+3.0/libgtk-3-bin_3.4.2-2_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch |
| 21:54.09 | sneex | Chhers :) |
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| 21:54.47 | qw12 | jelly-home: i changed to below in sources.list |
| 21:54.47 | qw12 | deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny/updates main contrib deb-src http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny/updates main contrib |
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| 21:54.55 | qw12 | i still get similar errors |
| 21:55.01 | themill | aidalgol: command-not-found? |
| 21:55.10 | aidalgol | themill: thanks! |
| 21:55.41 | themill | qw12: "lenny/updates"? |
| 21:55.53 | user | Thanks for your help everyone. I'm off. |
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| 21:56.26 | qw12 | themill: i think that's what i found somehwere online, what is it supposed to be ? |
| 21:57.12 | jelly-home | qw12: did you ask the bot for "lenny sources.list"? |
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| 21:57.51 | jelly-home | qw12: type this in your irc client and expect a private message from dpkg the bot: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 21:59.03 | qw12 | jelly-home: i am using irc not on the debian, but on windows, i can pastebin instead |
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| 21:59.25 | themill | (not that there will be many updates for lenny...) |
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| 21:59.33 | tharkun | lol |
| 21:59.40 | themill | dpkg: tell qw12 about lenny sources.list |
| 21:59.47 | cuit | Why does aptitude always install so many more packages than plain apt? |
| 21:59.48 | qw12 | lenny sources.list |
| 21:59.58 | qw12 | jelly-home: couldn't figure how to ask bot |
| 22:00.04 | themill | qw12: an extra tab will have appeared with that message |
| 22:00.27 | themill | cuit: it shoudn't. Can you pastebin an example? |
| 22:00.29 | jelly-home | qw12: just type that in your irc web text field and press enter, I guess |
| 22:01.07 | jelly-home | qw12: also you need to upgrade firefox on your windows. <g> |
| 22:01.20 | themill | heh |
| 22:01.29 | sney | did we all just version him at once |
| 22:01.32 | tharkun | qw12: Unless you are repackaging whatever daemons you are using on your lenny box. I think you should at least plan an upgrade asap. |
| 22:02.18 | cuit | themill: IT nearly always does for me, apt-get upgrade gives me nothing because I just did it but aptitude upgrade gives me 121mb of archive, 39 upgrades, 64 new, 15 remove |
| 22:02.32 | qw12 | jelly-home: i typed "lenny sources.list" didn't give any reposnse |
| 22:02.54 | themill | cuit: is apt-get upgrade also telling you that 39 packages are kept back and there are 15 that it could autoremove? |
| 22:03.01 | cuit | I thought aptitude just installed a lot of related packages, assuming you might want software later that will use them based on the installed stuff |
| 22:03.03 | qw12 | ok, nevermind got it from themill |
| 22:03.13 | themill | cuit: no, they behave the same. |
| 22:03.15 | cuit | it's keeping 50 back actually, don't know what that means |
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| 22:03.28 | johndo | cuit: maybe you have different settings regarding recommended/suggested packages |
| 22:03.35 | themill | they have the same setting |
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| 22:03.57 | themill | cuit: well there you go.. aptitude is just doing better at getting around your kept back packages by choosing to remove some to allow you to upgrade more things |
| 22:04.10 | themill | dpkg: tell cuit about kept back |
| 22:04.18 | johndo | themill: does apt read .aptitude directory? |
| 22:04.25 | themill | cuit: in short, you need to dist-upgrade |
| 22:05.13 | cuit | themill: so kept back would happen if the newer version had new or less dependencies? |
| 22:05.17 | themill | johndo: unlikely, but if you're putting settings there rather than in /etc/apt then you get what you deserve |
| 22:05.24 | cuit | themill: makessense thanks |
| 22:05.38 | johndo | themill: ok ok, but they CAN have different settings :) |
| 22:05.47 | themill | cuit: or the upgrade would cause packages to be removed (say when libfoo1 becomes libfoo2) |
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| 22:06.44 | RhanisRho | Hi |
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| 22:07.49 | RhanisRho | new squeeze install, I'm getting an error saying there isn't a package called irssi when I apt-get install irssi, and also this: http://pastebin.com/DqSPfb3C |
| 22:08.11 | qw12 | themill: i saw that this link talks about out other sources, should I use ONLY archives ? |
| 22:08.11 | qw12 | http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1709 |
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| 22:08.45 | dvs | RhanisRho: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net |
| 22:09.16 | streuner | judd, versions chromium-browser |
| 22:09.17 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; sid: 20.0.1132.57~r145807-1; wheezy: 20.0.1132.57~r145807-1 |
| 22:09.18 | RhanisRho | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/182646/ |
| 22:09.37 | themill | qw12: your time might be better spent upgrading to squeeze rather than adding more repositories for "updated" and "volatile" packages that obviously don't get any updates made to them now that lenny is archived. |
| 22:10.00 | themill | RhanisRho: you don't actually have a mirror in your sources.list |
| 22:10.05 | themill | dpkg: tell RhanisRho about make squeeze sources.list |
| 22:10.15 | dvs | RhanisRho: Add this line to the end of the file: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free" |
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| 22:10.33 | themill | squeeze not wheezy |
| 22:10.41 | dvs | oh |
| 22:10.47 | dvs | facepalms |
| 22:11.05 | tscanausa | is there a way to have optional depends in debian packages, ie I have installed sun java 1.6 by hand but a package depends on openjdk therefor take 5x times as long to install. |
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| 22:11.30 | themill | dpkg: tell tscanausa about equivs |
| 22:12.04 | themill | tscanausa: but when you use equivs to fake dependencies and things break, you get to keep both pieces |
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| 22:12.46 | tscanausa | in the case of java that should be ok, thanks themill |
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| 22:15.57 | abrotman | angler: innociv SmashingX you may want to connect to freenode on a different port and/or see if your router has a firmware upgrade |
| 22:16.42 | tscanausa | themill: while googling equivs I found something that suggests Recommends/Suggests over equivs, do you have thoughts on those? |
| 22:17.37 | themill | tscanausa: if you require a jre for a package, you should depend on the relevant jre package (or something like default-jre) |
| 22:19.16 | tscanausa | thank you for your insight |
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| 22:22.54 | qw12 | i know this is not a question for debian, but just wondering : anyone know a program in windows to url encode an ascii string ? so it should automatically convert + etc. into URL encoded version |
| 22:23.06 | wahibdon | so, I install python-semanage but I am still unable to use the command semanage |
| 22:24.36 | themill | wahibdon: that package is a python module not a command line utility |
| 22:25.04 | jelly-home | qw12: install perl or python, use ready modules? |
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| 22:25.44 | wahibdon | themill: thanks. I got confused. coming from another distro and python was in the name there. |
| 22:25.47 | themill | wahibdon: apt-file search bin/semanage → policycoreutils |
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| 22:26.44 | bla | qw12, or write yourself simple Javascript to do it in a browser... |
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| 22:26.54 | wahibdon | themill: thanks. I don't have the utility apt-file |
| 22:27.15 | SiDz | root@Zlin:~# dpkg-query -S /usr/sbin/semanage |
| 22:27.15 | SiDz | policycoreutils: /usr/sbin/semanage |
| 22:27.38 | SiDz | im selling my policy wahibdon if you need them!! |
| 22:27.41 | themill | wahibdon: it's often worth installing, or you can use packages.debian.org or you can ask the bot "judd file bin/foo" |
| 22:27.41 | SiDz | joking |
| 22:27.42 | SiDz | lol |
| 22:28.05 | qw12 | jelly-home: yes, i have both, but was wondering if there's a readymade windows program |
| 22:28.14 | wahibdon | judd file bin/apt-file |
| 22:28.18 | judd | Search for bin/apt-file in squeeze/i386: apt-file: usr/bin/apt-file |
| 22:28.37 | wahibdon | thanks, jusdd |
| 22:28.39 | wahibdon | *judd |
| 22:28.44 | nsadmin | themill, what was the problem with judd? |
| 22:28.45 | SiDz | http://paste.debian.net/182650/ all my beautiful module (debian wheezy) |
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| 22:28.58 | cemil | selamunaleyküm |
| 22:29.08 | abrotman | cemil: english please |
| 22:29.11 | SmashingX | abrotman: I'm sorry, what? |
| 22:29.13 | jelly-home | qw12: ask in ##windows, then |
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| 22:29.27 | SiDz | the default policy/module that debian install with selinux arent fine |
| 22:29.32 | SiDz | they need lots of tweaking |
| 22:29.37 | SiDz | at least in wheezy |
| 22:29.39 | nkuttler | !tr |
| 22:29.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 22:29.43 | SiDz | dont know about squeeze |
| 22:29.44 | abrotman | SmashingX: wasn't talking to you |
| 22:29.47 | wahibdon | SiDz: Same is true for fedora. |
| 22:29.52 | jelly-home | SiDz: good thing you're going to fix them! :-D |
| 22:29.54 | wahibdon | and centos |
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| 22:30.01 | SiDz | jelly-home "im" |
| 22:30.09 | SiDz | a generous person is helping me in selinux |
| 22:30.23 | jelly-home | credit them in the patch! |
| 22:30.24 | themill | nsadmin: the Contents files weren't where the search module expected to be because the mirror locations had all been moved around. The rest of UDD had been migrated but not that cache. |
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| 22:30.27 | SmashingX | abrotman: yes, you were: abrotman> angler: innociv SmashingX you may want to connect to freenode on a different port and/or see if your router has a firmware upgrade |
| 22:30.28 | SiDz | we're also confining thing that arent confined |
| 22:30.32 | SiDz | like bird.. oidentd |
| 22:30.39 | cemil | Allah greetings to all Muslims |
| 22:30.44 | abrotman | SmashingX: oh, sorry, yes, someone did a DCC and reset your router .. see that you disconnected |
| 22:30.44 | SiDz | jelly-home sure i will |
| 22:30.47 | wahibdon | what are bird and oidentd ? |
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| 22:30.54 | SiDz | bird is a daemon routing |
| 22:30.59 | nsadmin | themill, oh ok... glad you fixed it; judd is a great resource |
| 22:31.00 | SiDz | oidentd is an ident server |
| 22:31.02 | abrotman | SmashingX: moment, i'll pastebin |
| 22:31.10 | abrotman | someone is a kissass all o fhte sudden |
| 22:31.14 | SiDz | they arent confined in debian wheezy |
| 22:31.20 | themill | nsadmin: np |
| 22:31.20 | cemil | Allah'u Ekber |
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| 22:31.30 | themill | cemil: wrong channel |
| 22:31.33 | SmashingX | abrotman: what? when? |
| 22:31.34 | SiDz | anyway selinux is a pain in the ass |
| 22:31.36 | nerdistmonk | so whats the best way to remove a package the whole system depends on and reinstall from source (i need to remove freetype from the system and compile it, the whole system needs it, i want to slip in the source version ive compiled and get rid of the packaged one) |
| 22:31.43 | abrotman | SmashingX: http://paste.debian.net/182651/ |
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| 22:31.57 | abrotman | cemil: do you have anything Debian related to discuss ? |
| 22:32.14 | jelly-home | cemil: there's no need for that many greetings, just pick one and then feel free to ask your Debian quesiton |
| 22:32.17 | cemil | You're wrong channel directly |
| 22:32.19 | jelly-home | question* |
| 22:32.55 | SmashingX | abrotman: my router is fine, how couls someone hack my router? |
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| 22:33.08 | abrotman | SmashingX: is your router a linksys ? |
| 22:33.29 | SmashingX | yes |
| 22:33.36 | jelly-home | SmashingX: your router's buggy and disconnecting you from irc every time someone writes a specific line in the channel. |
| 22:33.36 | abrotman | moment, URL coming in msg |
| 22:33.42 | nsadmin | cemil, /msg alis help |
| 22:33.50 | nerdistmonk | so should i just force remove the freetype packages and do a "make install" of my compiled replacement? |
| 22:34.03 | SmashingX | jelly-home: what specific line? |
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| 22:34.11 | jelly-home | SmashingX: hah |
| 22:34.18 | SmashingX | jelly-home: can you show me? |
| 22:34.19 | abrotman | SmashingX: the DCC line, i already told you |
| 22:34.28 | jelly-home | SmashingX: well I don't want to disconnect you again do I! |
| 22:34.28 | abrotman | and pasted .. |
| 22:34.30 | abrotman | and told again |
| 22:34.39 | cemil | I'm happy with Pardus, debian he protests, I would like to thank |
| 22:34.54 | SmashingX | I don't see a line that does that |
| 22:35.00 | abrotman | .... |
| 22:35.11 | abrotman | SmashingX: see the line from ling0 ? |
| 22:35.21 | abrotman | doesn't think this is difficult to see ... |
| 22:35.30 | SmashingX | < ling0 > ?ADCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0 |
| 22:35.39 | abrotman | SmashingX: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 22:35.42 | abrotman | jesus you're dense |
| 22:35.42 | themill | SmashingX: no need to repaste the spam into the channel |
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| 22:36.07 | SmashingX | abrotman: please, could you send me that DCC |
| 22:36.10 | abrotman | no |
| 22:36.18 | abrotman | that's how you get a kline .. i'm not interested |
| 22:36.21 | SmashingX | please!! I need to see if I get disconnected |
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| 22:36.24 | themill | angler: you might want to fix your modem too. Try connecting to freenode on a different port. |
| 22:36.34 | abrotman | themill: i highlighted him too earlier |
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| 22:36.54 | SmashingX | but I just get disconnected from irc right? |
| 22:36.58 | SmashingX | not from the internet |
| 22:37.08 | themill | SmashingX: maybe #freenode can explain it better |
| 22:37.11 | abrotman | not really sure why you're arguing with us ... |
| 22:37.19 | SmashingX | Im not arguing |
| 22:37.30 | abrotman | SmashingX: yes, please ask #freenode about DCC + home routers |
| 22:37.37 | hitaf | Allah'u Ekber |
| 22:37.51 | abrotman | didn't we just do this ? |
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| 22:38.51 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: yes, a few days ago. |
| 22:38.56 | SmashingX | I'm not!!! |
| 22:38.58 | ManoftheSea | But this time, it's spelled right. |
| 22:38.59 | abrotman | no .. 10 minutes ago |
| 22:39.01 | cemil | yemedi galiba hitaf |
| 22:39.03 | cemil | :D |
| 22:39.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: maybe they just want a proper greetback |
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| 22:39.08 | ManoftheSea | oh, perhaps that too. |
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| 22:39.16 | abrotman | cemil: you were told to speak english, please take a timeout |
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| 22:39.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: please oblige :) |
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| 22:40.25 | syslq | What's even the point in talking in a language that nobody understands... |
| 22:40.34 | abrotman | he does |
| 22:41.30 | jelly-home | syslq: Turkish is spoken by about 70mil. people |
| 22:41.31 | SmashingX | Processing DCC SEND request from T0SH1R0 [~kvirc@128-70-129-246.broadband.corbina.ru] (DCC SEND MyAvatar150.jpg 2152104438 56147 10109) |
| 22:41.42 | SmashingX | This is what keeps disconnecting me |
| 22:41.48 | syslq | jelly-home: not in #debian on freenode |
| 22:41.56 | themill | syslq: I often feel like that's the case with english in this channel, fwiw. |
| 22:41.58 | abrotman | SmashingX: STOP DOING THAT |
| 22:42.10 | jelly-home | syslq: "nobody understands" and "nobody uses" are different things |
| 22:42.31 | jelly-home | capisce? |
| 22:42.48 | syslq | jelly-home: I think I said it right :) |
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| 22:44.38 | nsadmin | SmashingX, is your client set to accept dcc file send/receive requests automatically? if so, turn that off |
| 22:44.50 | TakamachiFeito | Is there a live CD/USB version of debian that includes X11 and at least gcc / g++ / make and some editor ? |
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| 22:45.28 | abrotman | did you look on live.debian.net ? |
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| 22:47.04 | nsadmin | TakamachiFeito, why not just install debian? |
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| 22:47.56 | gnarface | TakamachiFeito: yes |
| 22:48.11 | TakamachiFeito | nsadmin i'm going travelling and i dont wanna bring my laptop, only a usb key |
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| 22:48.36 | nsadmin | TakamachiFeito, oic |
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| 22:49.02 | abrotman | TakamachiFeito: there is a danger that the Debian Live CD may not recognize newer hardware .. just so you're aware |
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| 22:49.26 | TakamachiFeito | hmm, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ does not have gcc installed in any of the available versions |
| 22:49.29 | akls | why there are that many CDs? which one should I download? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:49.42 | abrotman | akls: the netinst |
| 22:50.04 | peterS | akls: first of all, be sure you actually want 'i386'. If you have a 64-bit chip, you most likely want the 64-bit install, which is called 'amd64' (because AMD invented it) |
| 22:50.11 | akls | abrotman, and if there's no internet connection? |
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| 22:50.15 | peterS | I mean, the 32-bit install will work, but this is 2012 |
| 22:50.24 | akls | peterS, i386 for sure |
| 22:50.39 | akls | very old lappy :) |
| 22:50.44 | peterS | fair enough (: |
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| 22:51.14 | abrotman | akls: if you have no internet, you'd get at least CD1, if not more .. depencds what you want to install |
| 22:51.26 | peterS | akls: anyway, the installer is on the netinst CD and also on CD #1. How many CDs you download depends on how much software you want |
| 22:51.35 | akls | oh |
| 22:51.37 | nsadmin | TakamachiFeito, if you're going travelling tho, why would you need gcc? I would think it more relaxing if you didn't have to think about that |
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| 22:51.45 | akls | alright, thanks! |
| 22:52.20 | peterS | akls: you can get a working install with just 1 CD, it just means there's a higher chance that some of the software you select to install later will need to download rather than prompt you to insert CD #4 or whatever |
| 22:52.25 | wahibdon | so, I am trying to install a package that currently has no stable variant but is in the unstable repo. how to I tell apt-get to use the unstable repo, too? |
| 22:52.40 | abrotman | !tell wahibdon about ssb |
| 22:52.47 | TakamachiFeito | nsadmin what if i get bored? there's a bunch of stuff i'll need to work on when i get back and i thought of getting some done in advance |
| 22:53.36 | nsadmin | TakamachiFeito, I'd say you might as well grab the laptop too |
| 22:54.29 | wahibdon | abrotman: thanks, but I don't quite understand that. I have to go anyway. bye. |
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| 22:54.37 | abrotman | that was easy .. |
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| 22:56.33 | nsadmin | benefits include, you don't have to worry about whether the live will boot and operate correctly, you won't have to worry about where edited files are to be stored, nor about network functionality or setup of your version control stuff if any |
| 22:57.20 | jelly-home | peterS: and in 2012, flash and skype still work better on i386 |
| 22:57.37 | jelly-home | if you need those things. |
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| 22:58.16 | peterS | I still need flash. at least the browser plugin. It seems to work fine on my amd64 system. |
| 22:58.29 | peterS | I don't know about standalone apps, all I use is the browser plugin |
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| 23:02.51 | jelly-home | I guess it can be made to work stable for some people, then |
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| 23:05.45 | simonlnu | abrotman: ^^^ |
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| 23:06.38 | abrotman | not so bright ... |
| 23:06.44 | simonlnu | no.. |
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| 23:07.57 | simonlnu | irc must be new for him.. |
| 23:08.11 | Aaron | lol |
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| 23:09.57 | jelly-home | ObBash http://www.bash.org/?10739 |
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| 23:14.49 | simonlnu | BQotD |
| 23:15.29 | simonlnu | jelly-home: almost |
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| 23:16.03 | jelly-home | s/butter/pardus/ |
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| 23:31.45 | simonlnu | jelly-home: butter on your pardus toast |
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| 23:58.07 | cemil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:58.58 | ManoftheSea | wtf? |
| 23:59.21 | jelly-home | !ops cemil |
| 23:59.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: cemil |
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| 23:59.39 | jelly-home | !tr |
| 23:59.39 | dpkg | i heard tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
