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| 00:02.42 | gnarface | so which debian live cd should i download? |
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| 00:03.21 | abrotman | the one you want? |
| 00:03.34 | gnarface | abrotman: what's the difference between "standard" and "rescue" ? |
| 00:05.30 | sneex | I kept quiet |
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| 00:06.21 | gnarface | abrotman: also, got any tips on an easy way to make a floppy that will boot a debian installer on a usb key (for machines that can't boot via usb directly) |
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| 00:06.54 | abrotman | hehe .. no |
| 00:07.11 | gnarface | hehe? |
| 00:07.15 | gnarface | you're holding out on me, aren't you? |
| 00:07.29 | sneex | that he never does |
| 00:07.42 | abrotman | gnarface: no, i'm laughing baout the idea of using a floppy drive |
| 00:07.59 | gnarface | has some still |
| 00:08.02 | abrotman | gnarface: actually ... |
| 00:08.14 | tharkun | has a brand new floppy drive |
| 00:08.39 | tharkun | Plastic bag still sealed |
| 00:08.59 | abrotman | gnarface: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/category/download/supergrub2diskdownload/ .. maybe ? |
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| 00:09.21 | gnarface | abrotman: tried it, machine refused to even boot it |
| 00:09.30 | abrotman | to boot what? |
| 00:09.40 | gnarface | abrotman: super grub2 disk |
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| 00:10.02 | abrotman | fails how ? |
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| 00:11.16 | gnarface | abrotman: bios tries to boot from it, fails, moves on to next item in boot order. confirmed its not the cdrom drive |
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| 00:11.29 | abrotman | gnarface: i meant to put supergrub on the floppy |
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| 00:12.00 | gnarface | abrotman: its 7 megabytes? i didn't figure out how. |
| 00:12.22 | abrotman | gnarface: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/SGD_Howto_make#How_to_make_a_Super_Grub_Disk_or_Super_Grub2_Disk_Floppy. |
| 00:12.56 | abrotman | lmgtfy ... |
| 00:13.43 | gnarface | abrotman: how about you just give me a link directly to this mythical grub2 boot floppy image that's not 7 fucking megabytes |
| 00:13.56 | sambagirl | have there been any reports of issues with wireless connectivity after recent updates? |
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| 00:14.31 | abrotman | gnarface: your megabytes fuck ? |
| 00:14.41 | abrotman | sambagirl: in unstable? |
| 00:14.43 | qw12 | i am trying to compare two strings stored in two variables, a and b, i tried if [ $a -ne $b ]; then blah fi |
| 00:14.46 | qw12 | but it gives some error |
| 00:15.01 | sambagirl | as in not being able to connect even when using the correct key? |
| 00:15.11 | qw12 | it gives error even after i changed to if [ "$a" -ne "$b" ]; then blah fi |
| 00:15.26 | themill | qw12: lots of things give "some error". Somtimes #bash is able to magically work out what is going on by ESP |
| 00:15.30 | abrotman | gnarface: i'm just quoting their docs .. |
| 00:15.36 | abrotman | mounts the ISO |
| 00:15.43 | sambagirl | i use ethernet mostly but my mom will be using this laptop and wifi is easiest for her. |
| 00:15.43 | qw12 | themill: integer expression expected |
| 00:15.54 | qw12 | themill: that's the error |
| 00:15.59 | themill | qw12: hint: integers are strings |
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| 00:16.42 | themill | qw12: the output of "help test" may be handy here |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | gnarface: i have a weird feeling the idea is to use rawrite nad have it span floppies |
| 00:17.42 | sambagirl | it keeps stating that authentication required by wireless network. this just started after the updates were applied. |
| 00:18.18 | sambagirl | i recall now that i had to get a specific driver for it |
| 00:18.23 | sambagirl | initially |
| 00:18.23 | sneex | did you remarry the wireless? |
| 00:18.46 | sambagirl | i know sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
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| 00:19.03 | sambagirl | that was it firmware-b43 |
| 00:19.21 | unkmar | I have a wifi card. I don't see any form of wifi in gnome. No wireless manager. |
| 00:19.29 | Gargantua | lol |
| 00:19.38 | abrotman | gnarface: can grub1 boot an ISO? http://www.supergrubdisk.org/category/download/supergrubdiskdownload/ |
| 00:19.40 | Gargantua | unkmar: first, make sure nm-applet is running. |
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| 00:20.19 | unkmar | Gargantua: it isn't |
| 00:20.33 | sambagirl | isnt there a command something like dmesg | grep firmware that shows me the problems? |
| 00:20.42 | abrotman | gnarface: the website says it can make a floppy .. but doesn't explain how |
| 00:21.12 | Gargantua | unkmar: then run it. |
| 00:21.22 | Gargantua | A pretty nice app should show up in your system tray. |
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| 00:21.31 | unkmar | Gargantua: I am pretty sure it wasn |
| 00:21.35 | unkmar | wasn't installed |
| 00:22.05 | LtL | sambagirl: you can do 'dmesg |less' and just spacebar to look for errors, 'q' to quit. |
| 00:22.45 | LtL | sambagirl: dmesg |frep firmware might show something also. |
| 00:22.52 | LtL | er grep sambagirl |
| 00:23.37 | tharkun | sambagirl: lscpi -nn |
| 00:23.38 | sambagirl | ok doing the first one first |
| 00:23.43 | sambagirl | did that already |
| 00:23.50 | sambagirl | lspci -nn and -v |
| 00:24.04 | tharkun | sambagirl: and the two octets? |
| 00:24.12 | sambagirl | i dont see anything wrong i may have to rebuild from scratch and avoid the updates |
| 00:24.22 | sambagirl | octets? |
| 00:24.42 | tharkun | sambagirl: 14e4:4315 |
| 00:25.26 | sambagirl | oh |
| 00:25.26 | LtL | sambagirl: he refers to the device pci id hex number. |
| 00:25.29 | sambagirl | just a sec |
| 00:25.39 | sambagirl | i took computer science courses |
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| 00:25.53 | tharkun | LtL: You are right, I'm slow tonight ;P |
| 00:26.19 | sambagirl | ltl i see it |
| 00:26.31 | sambagirl | it's the wifi card |
| 00:26.32 | abrotman | looks at eir |
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| 00:27.26 | LtL | sambagirl: the hex id will tell you the proper module to use, but i don't think that's your problem.. what is the pci id? |
| 00:28.07 | tharkun | screwed up his once and it happened to be a Broadcom piece of ______________ |
| 00:28.13 | abrotman | pie? |
| 00:28.14 | LtL | sambagirl: there were recent dhclient updates.. hrm |
| 00:28.23 | sambagirl | it's a broadcom |
| 00:28.27 | abrotman | boo! |
| 00:28.37 | tharkun | abrotman: yea pie ! |
| 00:28.42 | LtL | tharkun: i have have a broadcom too :( |
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| 00:29.35 | LtL | sambagirl: does dmesg complain about loading firmware or association with an wifi access point? |
| 00:29.36 | sambagirl | what i will do is just reinstall the system from scratch and do the stuff i did before to fix the broadcom firmware. |
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| 00:29.46 | tharkun | LtL: The only way I get it to work is to load it manually twice then everything works |
| 00:29.47 | sambagirl | which dmesg should i use? |
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| 00:30.38 | tharkun | wonders off at the lack of information to maintain interest |
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| 00:30.45 | sambagirl | it says requesting b43/ |
| 00:30.51 | qw12 | anyone know how to redirect wget output to stdout instead of file ? |
| 00:30.52 | LtL | sambagirl: dmesg is dmesg, dmesg |less gives you the entire buffer, so it takes longer but you don't miss anything. |
| 00:30.54 | sambagirl | hold on let me just do a pastebin |
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| 00:31.01 | tharkun | qw12: man wget |
| 00:31.09 | qw12 | i see -q -O - |
| 00:31.14 | qw12 | but didn't make sense |
| 00:31.28 | tharkun | qw12: I personaly use curl |
| 00:31.50 | LtL | sambagirl: tharkun may have the best idea, just re-install your broadcom firmware. |
| 00:31.51 | qw12 | ok looking up curl |
| 00:32.12 | sambagirl | i hate to admit it but i forgot how i did it now |
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| 00:32.18 | LtL | qw12: use tee |
| 00:32.44 | sambagirl | i recall i think |
| 00:32.50 | tharkun | sambagirl: If you paste the pciid number magic will ocur. A bot factoid will appear and your life will be runned a little bit smoother |
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| 00:32.55 | sambagirl | i know sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
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| 00:33.35 | sambagirl | it reports it is already the newest version |
| 00:33.41 | LtL | sambagirl: that may likely say it's already installed. pastebin dmesg, dmesg |pastebinit |
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| 00:34.05 | tharkun | LtL: good luck :) |
| 00:34.31 | sambagirl | need a minute i have to install a irc client on that laptop brb |
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| 00:34.43 | LtL | sambagirl: lspci -nn would be cool too |
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| 00:35.53 | sambagirl | ok now i installed konversation on here already but it doesnt show up in a menu anywhere. i mentioned this a few days ago regarding installed applications not being in menu options like in ubuntu. |
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| 00:36.14 | LtL | sambagirl: apt-get install irssi |
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| 00:36.46 | sambagirl | ok i got it i sent to a shell and did it. irssi oh god no |
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| 00:37.09 | LtL | sambagirl: whip open a terminal, type irssi, i think it auto connects to freenode, i forget. |
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| 00:38.09 | sambagirl | it default joined a service called oftc |
| 00:38.33 | sneex | its a start |
| 00:38.42 | LtL | sambagirl: ok, thats a sister net, type /quit then irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
| 00:41.09 | sambagirl | just a sec |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 00:41.33 | abrotman | if they're still helping you here, i'll stop helping there |
| 00:42.15 | sambagirl | i'm trying to get back here on that one |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | sambagirl: /server chat.freenode.net |
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| 00:44.14 | amigamia | just a sec |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | made it! |
| 00:44.38 | amigamia | http://pastebin.com/579GSR5j |
| 00:44.42 | amigamia | that is the first one |
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| 00:46.01 | amigamia | http://pastebin.com/2wXZpSwY |
| 00:46.07 | amigamia | second one |
| 00:46.58 | LtL | judd, pciid 14e4:1693 |
| 00:47.00 | judd | [14e4:1693] is 'NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1693 |
| 00:47.02 | heoaNoInternetDh | Abramart installed but without DHCP so no internet, now on ipad...a bit slow, some terminal command to set up the Internet? |
| 00:47.32 | LtL | amigamia: do lsmod |grep tg3' |
| 00:47.47 | amigamia | k |
| 00:47.48 | LtL | amigamia: i think it's loaded. |
| 00:47.50 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: hi .. |
| 00:48.12 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: are you on wireless? what is the wifi device? are you using WPA ? |
| 00:48.59 | heoaNoInternetDh | abrotman err yes to you :] |
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| 00:49.13 | amigamia | http://pastebin.com/a1JVJhkn |
| 00:49.25 | amigamia | that is the tg3 grep |
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| 00:49.57 | LtL | amigamia: does /sbin/ifconfig show wlan0 ? |
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| 00:50.46 | sambagirl | i mean it sees the wireless card ltl and it tries to connect however it doesnt accept the correct key |
| 00:50.50 | LtL | amigamia: err, are you on a wire, do you see eth0 |
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| 00:51.23 | LtL | sambagirl: i see, are you running gnome per chance |
| 00:51.40 | amigamia | yep only the best |
| 00:51.50 | amigamia | that is why i came to debian as a choice |
| 00:52.13 | LtL | amigamia: does nm-applet appear on your upper panel? |
| 00:52.19 | amigamia | ubuntu is using strange interfaces now and i like the traditional gnome Applications Place Systems and stuff like that. |
| 00:52.47 | heoaNoInternetDh | abrotman I think I have no dhcp instslled, ideas how to get Internet on the console... I have rj -cables and wifis ... And the Debian without X... |
| 00:52.49 | sneex | gnome 3 is a lot likewin8 :P |
| 00:53.19 | amigamia | http://pastebin.com/1QdrvWQZ |
| 00:53.30 | heoaNoInternetDh | Man x ....brings nothing |
| 00:53.35 | amigamia | i tried win8 it was an abomination. |
| 00:53.50 | LtL | amigamia: you should be able to edit connections from that and re-enter your password, beyond that i have nothing else |
| 00:54.18 | amigamia | ok well it isnt even showing any hot spots now. there are 100's where i am at and it isnt showing anything. |
| 00:54.24 | amigamia | so it is intermittent now. |
| 00:54.51 | amigamia | disabled it and reinabled it |
| 00:54.57 | amigamia | and now it shows them |
| 00:55.52 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: i'm sure yo have dhcp |
| 00:55.55 | amigamia | i'll just reinstall it from scratch and avoid the update. not important sinnce its for my mom |
| 00:56.01 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: ifconfig -a ? |
| 00:56.08 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: dmesg | grep eth |
| 00:56.11 | LtL | amigamia: i've had that problem before and just fiddling with it i get it working. |
| 00:57.17 | amigamia | lrl i already fiddled with it initially to get it to work in the first place. i can't be doing that all the time when updates occur. that is why i left windows because of the cursed updates. |
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| 00:58.09 | LtL | amigamia: the dnclient update recently may have done it but i don't think a re-install is needed |
| 00:58.14 | amigamia | there is a problem with this particular wifi code so it's not debians fault. |
| 00:59.01 | heoaNoInternetDh | A |
| 00:59.06 | amigamia | i'll seach on google and see what i come up with. i can't be alone with this issue. |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | H |
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| 00:59.59 | amigamia | thanks for all the help and i'll let you know when i resolve it. |
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| 01:00.09 | LtL | amigamia: good luck |
| 01:00.20 | heoaNoInternetDh | A I see, I need to login as root,,.... |
| 01:00.20 | amigamia | ha |
| 01:00.22 | amigamia | thanks |
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| 01:00.56 | LtL | amigamia: you're welcome |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: what? |
| 01:02.33 | heoaNoInternetDh | abrotman a) Internet with wifi. B) Internet with rj -cable...I have no x and Internet |
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| 01:02.53 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: so internet is working? |
| 01:02.59 | heoaNoInternetDh | No |
| 01:03.14 | abrotman | ... |
| 01:03.15 | pparadis | heoaNoInternetDh: i'm also having a hard time understanding you. |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: plugin the wired connection, reboot the box |
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| 01:07.16 | heoaNoInternetDh | abrotman tried, not got the internet .... Tried. $ ping google.com, nothing... |
| 01:07.45 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: dmesg | grep eth ... |
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| 01:10.24 | amigamia | heoaNointernetDh did you apply any updates recently? |
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| 01:11.03 | microcolonel | Why does nano not pick up /etc/nanorc? |
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| 01:12.48 | LtL | amigamia: i did and my intel gigabit device hung but corrected itself. dhclient was updated specifically. |
| 01:13.17 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: hello ? |
| 01:13.22 | LtL | amigamia: my broadcom wifi didnt blink, go figure |
| 01:13.39 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: 'dhclient eth0' .. do anything ? |
| 01:14.30 | amigamia | is there anyway to backout the dhclient update? |
| 01:15.07 | amigamia | laughs |
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| 01:15.20 | LtL | amigamia: you don't want to do that. |
| 01:15.38 | amigamia | your right i am sure |
| 01:16.16 | LtL | amigamia: you could purge the broadcom firmware and re-install that but i don't guarantee it would help. |
| 01:16.43 | lorderr | amigamia: you can always check /var/cache/apt/archives/ for the previous version, but i would NOT recommend it. whats the problem ? |
| 01:17.18 | heoaNoInternetDh | abrotman https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/search/HeoaLov. ....first MSG there, only iPad in Internet so slow typing.... |
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| 01:18.31 | abrotman | looks |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | i have to sing up?! |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | sign |
| 01:19.18 | gnarface | snickers |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: dhclient eth0 .. you can tell me the gist of what it says |
| 01:19.31 | heoaNoInternetDh | Works :D |
| 01:19.48 | heoaNoInternetDh | 1000 million times thz |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: okay .. so now you have internets? |
| 01:19.55 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: okay .. moment |
| 01:20.00 | abrotman | don't run away yet |
| 01:20.04 | lorderr | btw, anyone here familiar with building kde deb pkgs? |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: do you know how to use vi ? |
| 01:20.11 | heoaNoInternetDh | yes |
| 01:20.16 | abrotman | lorderr: #debian-kde on irc.freenode.net |
| 01:20.25 | abrotman | dpkg: tell heoaNoInternetDh about squeeze sources.list |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: add the lines in there to your /etc/apt/sources.list .. then 'aptitude update' |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: make sure that works .. then tell me it worked, and tell me which DE you'd like to use |
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| 01:25.55 | gnarface | abrotman: remind me; will the iso-hybrid livecd/installer images work from a SD card? (assuming the system can boot from one) or should i just partition+ debootstrap into the sd card? |
| 01:26.08 | seeker61 | i loaded and installed skype from distribution but do not see the ap |
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| 01:26.35 | abrotman | gnarface: don't see why not, but i've never tried |
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| 01:28.12 | heoaNoInternetDh | abrotman NO or GER. |
| 01:28.21 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 01:28.22 | heoaNoInternetDh | For de |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | Germany? |
| 01:28.34 | abrotman | Norway? |
| 01:28.38 | heoaNoInternetDh | Yes |
| 01:28.44 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: DE means Desktop |
| 01:28.47 | abrotman | sort of |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: which window manager do you want for your GUI |
| 01:29.05 | heoaNoInternetDh | Lolz |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: did your system run the 'aptitude update' correctly ? |
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| 01:29.28 | heoaNoInternetDh | Default |
| 01:29.34 | heoaNoInternetDh | Yes |
| 01:29.41 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: don't say "default" .. pick one |
| 01:30.47 | heoaNoInternetDh | IDE |
| 01:30.52 | heoaNoInternetDh | Gnome |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: aptitude install xorg gnome gdm3 iceweasel synaptic |
| 01:32.22 | heoaNoInternetDh | No pkg version for synaptic |
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| 01:33.00 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: okay .. just leave that off |
| 01:33.05 | abrotman | we'll figure it out later |
| 01:34.01 | abrotman | judd: versions synaptic |
| 01:34.03 | judd | Package: synaptic on i386 -- lenny: 0.62.1+nmu1; squeeze: 0.70~pre1+b1; wheezy: 0.75.12; sid: 0.75.13 |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | eh .. okay then |
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| 01:36.06 | heoaNoInternetDh | ....x-start? Lynx? |
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| 01:37.47 | heoaNoInternetDh | Links? No man for x -window or x11? |
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| 01:38.45 | seeker61 | any thoughts about skype download and install |
| 01:39.10 | heoaNoInternetDh | No less -cmd? |
| 01:39.13 | seeker61 | i do not have a camera but friend does and wants to send me video |
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| 01:42.21 | heoaNoInternetDh | Vim is tiny version!?! Vim google.com not working, using then wget....vim.tiny sucks.... |
| 01:42.48 | heoaNoInternetDh | Automatic mapping to vi?!!??? |
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| 01:44.02 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: what ? reboot |
| 01:45.53 | sambagirl | cant i update from squeezie to wheezie? |
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| 01:46.13 | abrotman | you can |
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| 01:46.24 | sambagirl | what is the command abrotman? |
| 01:46.39 | abrotman | !tell sambagirl about squeeze->wheezy |
| 01:47.31 | heoaNoInternetDh | How to start gnome? X-start cmd? |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: reboot |
| 01:48.14 | heoaNoInternetDh | I did |
| 01:48.16 | sambagirl | abrotman it's not a problem at all |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | ... |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: did you install gdm3 ? |
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| 01:50.27 | sambagirl | how do you fix a broken install dpkg |
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| 01:50.42 | sambagirl | nevermind its working now |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | sambagirl: use a pastebin to show us |
| 01:50.52 | amigamia | its to late |
| 01:51.11 | amigamia | it's fixing things now |
| 01:52.31 | heoaNoInternetDh | A did not find anything |
| 01:52.39 | amigamia | http://pastebin.com/m9Wt0XSA |
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| 01:52.57 | amigamia | it blew up again. |
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| 01:53.25 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: for gdm3? what about for gdm ? |
| 01:53.45 | heoaNoInternetDh | A nothing |
| 01:53.53 | abrotman | amigamia: seems fine |
| 01:54.02 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart ? |
| 01:54.15 | amigamia | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:54.27 | abrotman | nothing went wrong |
| 01:54.45 | amigamia | it updated to wheezy? |
| 01:54.47 | amigamia | ? |
| 01:54.51 | amigamia | that fast? |
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| 01:55.07 | abrotman | no, you didn't change your sources.list |
| 01:55.13 | abrotman | looks at abrotman |
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| 01:55.36 | amigamia | cant i do it thru synapse? |
| 01:55.46 | heoaNoInternetDh | A nothing, gdm not installed |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | i have no idea, i don't use synaptic |
| 01:55.52 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: so install it |
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| 01:58.14 | rgenito | how can i get ssh server to always start when my debian machine boots? =\ |
| 01:58.27 | heoaNoInternetDh | Index must be not updated, tried. Aptitude update .... Etc but gym not appearing |
| 01:58.32 | rgenito | i have openssh-server installed, but it does get kind of annoying having to boot it every time |
| 01:58.44 | rgenito | in fact, i restart this machine so little, i dont even remember how to start ssh server ;( |
| 01:59.08 | adrakoa | rgenito man rc-update |
| 01:59.15 | rgenito | ty adrakoa :) |
| 01:59.32 | rgenito | *sigh*, no manual entry found |
| 01:59.49 | adrakoa | rgenito, find /etc -name sshd_config, you could go on working |
| 02:00.03 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: sounds like it's not updating |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | rgenito: which version of Debian is that? |
| 02:00.27 | rgenito | squeeze |
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| 02:00.37 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list .. read it again, make sure you 've done it correctly |
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| 02:06.04 | heoaNoInternetDh | I uncommented the last default lines, saved, executed the command, right? A? |
| 02:06.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | mauhahaha |
| 02:07.40 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: you tell me, you were supposed to read the factoid |
| 02:08.40 | heoaNoInternetDh | https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/heoaLov. .... Here is my settings |
| 02:08.49 | abrotman | dude .. i'm not signing up for twitter |
| 02:08.54 | abrotman | what's wrong with using paste.debian.net ? |
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| 02:09.22 | heoaNoInternetDh | That I have only 2 fingers with iPad.... |
| 02:09.43 | heoaNoInternetDh | Pics have the dumps there |
| 02:09.50 | abrotman | picpaste.com |
| 02:10.12 | gnarface | fuuuuck twitter |
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| 02:10.36 | abrotman | i'm certainly not signing up for it |
| 02:11.33 | heoaNoInternetDh | So what you can see there the pictures cos I do not have X yet ... |
| 02:11.45 | abrotman | i can't see the picture, it's asking me to register |
| 02:12.00 | heoaNoInternetDh | Odd |
| 02:12.42 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: as a hint .. next time, leave off the mobile. part |
| 02:12.46 | heoaNoInternetDh | I am not logged in and I just press the newest post to see the pic |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: that last line should be "deb" not "deb-src" |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | oh wait .. wrong |
| 02:13.08 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: wait, |
| 02:13.50 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: comment out the last line, uncomment the first security.debian.org line .. add "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | then run aptitude update |
| 02:18.09 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: howq's it going ? |
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| 02:23.50 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: ? |
| 02:27.39 | heoaNoInternetDh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:29.34 | abrotman | you didn't add the line i told you to |
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| 02:30.01 | heoaNoInternetDh | ? |
| 02:30.24 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: comment out the last line, uncomment the first security.debian.org line .. add "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free" |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | see the ADD part ? |
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| 02:33.10 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: ? |
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| 02:33.32 | Devastator | Hi, I'm trying to reconfigure my keyboard to US International using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, but no matter what I chose, keyboard behaves the same way: all keys are different, the only key that outputs correctly is P.. if I type H, it outputs M, if I type M it outputs V |
| 02:33.47 | abrotman | Devastator: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 02:34.31 | Devastator | sorry, I guess I forgot to say it is in console |
| 02:35.51 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:36.16 | Devastator | should I reboot for it to take effect? |
| 02:38.47 | Devastator | yup, rebooting did the trick |
| 02:38.52 | Devastator | facepalms |
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| 02:48.17 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: how's it going ? |
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| 02:50.45 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: i'm heading to bed soon .. how's it going over there? flames? sparks? magic smoke? police? |
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| 02:51.47 | wargus | hi |
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| 02:52.08 | abrotman | acts suspicious and whistles |
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| 02:52.27 | ManoftheSea | plugs abrotman's leak. |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | wrong end |
| 02:52.35 | ManoftheSea | you were whistling. I fixed that for you. |
| 02:52.38 | wargus | could somebody tell me the options passed to portmap in debian stable? |
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| 02:52.50 | abrotman | wargus: it has an initscript, no ? |
| 02:53.00 | fabiobik | does someone knows how to get uid (serial number) of rfid card? |
| 02:53.10 | fabiobik | read a rfid card |
| 02:53.21 | wargus | abrotman: I'm on slackware, but I need to get portmap working the same way as in debian |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | fabiobik: how is this related to Debian ? |
| 02:53.24 | ManoftheSea | fabiobik: do you have an rfid reader? |
| 02:53.55 | fabiobik | ManoftheSea, yep |
| 02:54.01 | ManoftheSea | is it running debian? |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | wargus: grab the package from packages.debian.org/portmap .. extract with 'ar x foo.deb' then extract the tar.gz files |
| 02:54.14 | fabiobik | yes,,, tats why im here |
| 02:54.30 | fabiobik | *thats |
| 02:54.34 | ManoftheSea | do you have an rfid software? |
| 02:54.45 | fabiobik | no |
| 02:54.55 | wargus | abrotman: thanks for the hint, I'll try that |
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| 02:57.27 | abrotman | wargus: all the info you'd need is in that package in various places .. the postinst may be of som evalue |
| 02:59.41 | abrotman | heoaNoInternetDh: ? |
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| 03:00.41 | Devastator | he is idle for 30 minutes.. |
| 03:00.43 | abrotman | i know |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | either he's typing really slow, or he got it working :) |
| 03:01.13 | Devastator | or heartattack |
| 03:01.20 | dvs | he's slow\ |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | or he broke it |
| 03:01.53 | abrotman | waves, night folks |
| 03:02.01 | Devastator | night abrotman |
| 03:02.07 | Devastator | sleep well |
| 03:03.04 | wargus | abrotman: thanks, already found what I'm looking for |
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| 03:32.18 | subb1 | HI all. |
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| 03:33.31 | subb1 | I have debian6. I would know what causes scripts under /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly} to run. I see no cron set for root or any other user to run files under these directories. |
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| 03:36.15 | bfig | let's see, another round at the mic thing |
| 03:36.19 | sney | subb1: the cron daemon? |
| 03:36.51 | dshep | anyone else having intermittent audio problems on squeeze? |
| 03:37.33 | sney | dshep: more than there should be, though audio is terrible and the causes vary widely from case to case |
| 03:37.37 | bfig | 1) i'm already in the audio group, 2)channels are not muted and have nonzero volume, 3) how can i test if pulseaudio is stopped?, 4) speakers are on, 5) aplay works, 6) purge what? |
| 03:37.49 | bfig | dshep, i'm having trouble with my mic right no |
| 03:37.56 | sney | 3) service pulseaudio status |
| 03:38.00 | sney | I think. |
| 03:38.10 | sney | yes, that's it |
| 03:38.21 | sney | bfig: intel hda? |
| 03:38.28 | sney | for that matter, |
| 03:38.31 | sney | dshep: intel hda? |
| 03:38.40 | bfig | yes |
| 03:39.13 | bfig | localhost:~# service pulseaudio status |
| 03:39.14 | bfig | pulseaudio: unrecognized service |
| 03:39.18 | dshep | sney: yup intel hda |
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| 03:39.33 | bfig | only the mic. the sound works fine |
| 03:39.37 | bfig | the output i mean |
| 03:39.40 | dshep | believe i don't have pulseaudio installed |
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| 03:40.07 | sney | once upon a time, intel devised a standard for audio chips that would make it easier for realtek and soundmax and a slew of other companies to mill their own software-driven audio hardware with minimal effort. Unfortunately, they played a little fast and loose with the standard, and the resulting situation is worse than when everyone just had a dang soundblaster. |
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| 03:40.47 | sney | to wit: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA |
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| 03:41.06 | ManoftheSea | ac97? |
| 03:42.06 | dshep | its odd because it had been working reliably for months, but the past few days its been cutting out.. only thing i can think that i have changed is updating google chrome.. |
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| 03:43.20 | dshep | once it stops working i play with the mixer, muting and changing volume levels.. sometimes that fixes it.. sometimes not.. and then sometimes randomly it will start working. sometimes suspending fixes it.. its bizarre |
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| 03:44.52 | dshep | sney: thanks, reading that url.. well i guess it is a small comfort that i am not alone |
| 03:44.58 | Aaron | !ac97 |
| 03:44.59 | dpkg | There is no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses AC'97 audio. As AC'97 is just an audio codec standard, you need a driver for your audio chip. In <ALSA>, it is usually one of snd-intel8x0, snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx; use <lspci -k> to check. The AC'97 standard was superseded by the Intel High Definition Audio specification in 2004, which is supported by snd-hda-intel. |
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| 03:45.22 | sney | dshep: software-driven audio hardware. it doesn't have a hardware dsp so it uses the cpu instead, and excessive strain on said cpu can bork the audio output. |
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| 03:45.57 | TheRiverBend | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.57 | TheRiverBend | * You have been kicked from #c# by Snotter (banned: Hyperthread this, bitch) |
| 03:46.08 | TheRiverBend | how many dicks has kim kardashian sucked? |
| 03:46.25 | dshep | sney: wow that sucks |
| 03:46.54 | simonlnu | TheRiverBend: do you have a debian question? |
| 03:47.30 | TheRiverBend | yeew |
| 03:47.35 | TheRiverBend | yes |
| 03:47.37 | TheRiverBend | how many dicks has kim kardashian sucked? how many dicks has kim kardashian sucked? how many dicks has kim kardashian sucked? how many dicks has kim kardashian sucked? how many dicks has kim kardashian sucked? |
| 03:47.52 | simonlnu | !ops TheRiverBend has issues |
| 03:47.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: simonlnu complains about: TheRiverBend has issues |
| 03:47.56 | bfig | i don't understand this, why would somebody bother with such low quality spam? |
| 03:48.11 | simonlnu | thank you |
| 03:48.18 | sney | dshep: indeed. if you're linux-only, hit up ebay for an emu10k1 pci card, usually known as a soundblaster live or audigy, they have hardware dsps and are old enough to be seriously cheap |
| 03:48.35 | simonlnu | and decent hw |
| 03:48.55 | dshep | sney: this is on a thinkpad |
| 03:49.01 | jesk | hiho |
| 03:49.20 | jesk | as I understand there are two type of snapshots in qemu/kvm |
| 03:49.30 | dshep | i used to have a soundblaster live, probably still do somewhere in the closet |
| 03:49.32 | sney | dshep: oh, dang. :( |
| 03:49.48 | jesk | one is called checkpoint which inserts memory and hardware state inside an image |
| 03:50.02 | jesk | and the other is a filesystem snapshot |
| 03:50.25 | jesk | now when it comes to backup of VMs, is there a way to make use of both? |
| 03:51.21 | jesk | having the memory and hardware state inside of a backup would mean losing al issues regarding inconsistencies in disk write operations at the time of snapshotting it |
| 03:51.44 | peterrooney | bfig: trying to understand why will either drive you insane or make you start spamming. |
| 03:52.18 | bfig | lol |
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| 03:56.42 | gnarface | reavers |
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| 04:03.39 | fabiobik | sc_card_ctl(*, SC_CARDCTL_GET_SERIALNR, *) failed |
| 04:03.52 | fabiobik | does anyone with experience of pcscd on debian? |
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| 04:11.40 | Gargantua | ,version gtk |
| 04:11.41 | judd | No package named 'gtk' was found in i386. |
| 04:11.46 | Gargantua | ,version libgtk |
| 04:11.47 | judd | No package named 'libgtk' was found in i386. |
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| 04:14.51 | Gargantua | I am trying to get the docs for a certain "libegg", I cloned it from the gnome repos, but the package wont build without gtk3 installed. |
| 04:14.55 | Gargantua | And I just want the docs :/ |
| 04:15.05 | Gargantua | Can someone lend me a hand? |
| 04:15.21 | SiDz | i guess you need libgtk |
| 04:15.27 | SiDz | *3 |
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| 04:15.44 | sney | the docs should just exist in the source package, I would think |
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| 04:16.01 | Gargantua | They do, as sgml. |
| 04:16.04 | Gargantua | and xml |
| 04:16.11 | Gargantua | I'm assuming a script turns them into manual pages. |
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| 04:18.27 | Gargantua | Hmm |
| 04:18.39 | Gargantua | How do you tell git to clone a repo from 2 years ago? as dumb as that sounds |
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| 04:28.48 | Abr1l | hola, alguien puede ayudarme |
| 04:29.08 | n-iCe | Abr1l: en #debian-es |
| 04:29.44 | Abr1l | n-iCe, y esopor que? |
| 04:30.27 | n-iCe | allán hablan español |
| 04:30.29 | n-iCe | aquí inglés |
| 04:31.03 | Abr1l | n-iCe, tu hablas español :D |
| 04:31.09 | Abr1l | hola agosto |
| 04:31.40 | n-iCe | sí pero quí no se puede |
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| 04:33.41 | Abr1l | n-iCe, oye como puedo instalar irci en mi maquina |
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| 04:34.33 | robert_ | so I just installed squeeze, and apt is telling me that mysql-client-5.1 is not installable; what gives? |
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| 04:35.04 | rue_house | the order goes unstable, testing, stable, right? |
| 04:35.17 | Abr1l | delcoyote, , oye como puedo instalar irci en mi maquina |
| 04:35.31 | rue_house | in testing, gnome3 is pooched, and enlightenment isn't much better |
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| 04:35.47 | rue_house | e17 any how |
| 04:35.57 | Abr1l | rue_house, losiento no habloingles , si entnediera te ayudara a conseguir ayuda |
| 04:36.22 | delcoyote | Abr1l: solo english aqui, spanish en #debian-es |
| 04:36.47 | delcoyote | Abr1l: pon /j #debian-es |
| 04:36.48 | rue_house | gnome 3 meeds MAJOR window manages adjustments, but there are no config tools available in debian for it |
| 04:36.50 | Abr1l | delcoyote, hablas español? |
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| 04:37.14 | robert_ | major "window manages" adjustments? |
| 04:37.27 | robert_ | so how do I install mysql? compile it from source? |
| 04:37.28 | rue_house | por qu? son todos los de habla espa?ol |
| 04:37.30 | rue_house | manager |
| 04:37.37 | robert_ | :p |
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| 04:37.48 | LtL | robert_: try 'aptitude why-not mysql-client-5.1' |
| 04:37.51 | delcoyote | si Abr1l te pedimos que vayas al canal #debian-es |
| 04:38.00 | rue_house | how do I configure (metacity?) |
| 04:38.30 | Abr1l | delcoyote, pero ayudame por favor, quiero irci en mi sistema |
| 04:38.39 | rue_house | every fresh testing install I do, gnome breaks and goes into a default session mode |
| 04:38.43 | Abr1l | he leido cosas muy buenas de ello |
| 04:38.50 | robert_ | LtL: "Unable to find a reason to remove mysql-client-5.1" |
| 04:39.03 | rue_house | ?qu? hizo con mis granos? |
| 04:39.36 | peterrooney | dpkg: es |
| 04:39.36 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 04:39.46 | LtL | robert_: is it installed or not! |
| 04:40.01 | robert_ | LtL: it won't install it. |
| 04:40.27 | robert_ | (which means that it's not installed?) |
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| 04:40.54 | LtL | robert_: hrm, no idea |
| 04:41.43 | LtL | robert_: maybe you need the server first? |
| 04:41.43 | Abr1l | delcoyote, puedes? |
| 04:42.00 | robert_ | LtL: it says the server requires the client o.0 |
| 04:42.27 | Abr1l | n-iCe, puedes |
| 04:42.37 | Abr1l | quiero irci para mi windows seven |
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| 04:43.15 | delcoyote | dpkg :es |
| 04:43.15 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 04:43.22 | delcoyote | Abr1l: lee eso |
| 04:43.36 | robert_ | LtL: "mysql-server-5.1 : Depends: myslq-client-5.1 (>= 5.1.63-0+squeeze1) but it is not going to be installed." |
| 04:43.45 | LtL | robert_: maybe you need mysql-server-core-5.1 or check, aptitude search ~mysql |
| 04:43.47 | robert_ | mysql* :p |
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| 04:43.58 | LtL | odd |
| 04:44.08 | Abr1l | pwero si ya esoty hablando contigo para que irme a otra sala delcoyote solo ayudam e ainstalr irci en mi windows y listo me voy |
| 04:44.28 | robert_ | that.. installed something. |
| 04:44.50 | robert_ | but now it says mysql-client-5.1 has unmet deps |
| 04:45.06 | robert_ | libdbi-perl and libdbd-mysql-perl |
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| 04:45.16 | LtL | robert_: use aptitude |
| 04:45.49 | bfig | sney, :@@!!! thanks!!!! |
| 04:45.49 | Abr1l | hola dpkg !! me puedes ayudar |
| 04:46.16 | robert_ | LtL: it says libdbi-perl is a virtual package |
| 04:46.22 | LtL | robert_: got perl? |
| 04:46.32 | robert_ | I don't use it. |
| 04:46.58 | robert_ | but yes, it says I have perl 5.1 |
| 04:47.22 | Abr1l | QUIEN TIENE IRCI Y ME AYUDA AINSTALARLO , O DIGANM,E DONDE CONSIGO EL .EXE?? |
| 04:49.21 | bfig | sney, the input source was off it seems |
| 04:49.29 | bfig | alsamixer is a death trap |
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| 04:50.14 | LtL | robert_: i dunno, should be a simple task but i don't use mysql |
| 04:50.43 | robert_ | ah. |
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| 04:50.51 | robert_ | I can't even install the mysql client libs :/ |
| 04:53.51 | LtL | robert_: should be available, check this page, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mysql-server |
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| 04:54.52 | Abr1l | debhelper, puedes ayudarme?? |
| 04:55.12 | Abr1l | debhelper, necesito irci para windows seven dime donde lo consigo |
| 04:56.38 | bfig | Abr1l, podes hablar ingles? |
| 04:56.56 | bfig | tu pregunta esta fuera de lugar por varias razones (idioma, sistema operativo) |
| 04:57.06 | Abr1l | bfig, si, peor no se me entiende, en mi cerebro va bien pero ya despues cuando sale no :( |
| 04:57.20 | LtL | !es |
| 04:57.20 | Abr1l | bfig, como asi?? |
| 04:57.21 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 04:57.22 | Abr1l | por que? |
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| 05:02.19 | rgenito | man |
| 05:02.25 | rgenito | why does debian squeeze have to be such a pain in the ass? |
| 05:02.42 | rgenito | i say this because of my ignorance of course |
| 05:03.04 | rgenito | anyone know how to get sshd to automatically run after a system restart? |
| 05:03.35 | Abr1l | dpkg, ayudame |
| 05:03.36 | dpkg | Abr1l: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:03.52 | Abr1l | dpkg, eso es como chino pa mi |
| 05:03.53 | dpkg | Abr1l: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:03.53 | pparadis | rgenito: sshd automatically starts by default. |
| 05:04.00 | rgenito | pparadis: no, it doesn't. |
| 05:04.05 | rgenito | oooh wait... |
| 05:04.11 | rgenito | maybe it's not because of THIS: |
| 05:04.12 | Abr1l | dpkg, ok intetar speak ingliss |
| 05:04.13 | dpkg | Abr1l: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 05:04.15 | pparadis | rgenito: yes, it does, and i've got about 60 debian 6 VMs that say it does. |
| 05:04.21 | rgenito | for some reason, my static ip eth0 doesn't automatically come up when i restart |
| 05:04.27 | rgenito | i need to manually do "ifup eth0" |
| 05:04.28 | pparadis | rgenito: and a boatload of debian 6 virt hosts as well. |
| 05:04.44 | pparadis | rgenito: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces to http://paste.debian.net |
| 05:04.47 | rgenito | would the problem have to do with me needing to manually do ifup eth0 each time ? |
| 05:04.52 | rgenito | thanks pparadis :) |
| 05:04.53 | Abr1l | dpkg, I to wans instalashion irci in the windows |
| 05:04.54 | dpkg | Abr1l: are you using Windows? |
| 05:05.09 | Abr1l | dpkg, yeaahs |
| 05:05.09 | dpkg | no idea, Abr1l |
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| 05:07.00 | rgenito_ | pparadis, here it is :D http://paste.debian.net/182866/ |
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| 05:07.15 | pparadis | rgenito_: line 13 |
| 05:07.19 | rgenito_ | for what it's worth, i also have eth1 that i am currently not using |
| 05:07.21 | pparadis | s/auth/auto/ |
| 05:07.32 | rgenito_ | THANK you! :) |
| 05:07.50 | rgenito_ | also, any particular reason why "sudo reboot" doesn't actually reboot the systeM? |
| 05:08.04 | rgenito_ | (it will hang at a # prompt ... but no key strokes echo onto the screen) |
| 05:08.21 | pparadis | what does it do instead? for the record, i hardly ever touch sudo. i typically "su - root" if i need to do something as root. |
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| 05:08.43 | pparadis | rgenito_: lemme go see what it does in a VM here. |
| 05:08.53 | Abr1l | dpkg, usas windows? |
| 05:08.54 | dpkg | Abr1l: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:08.56 | rgenito_ | cool, thanks :D |
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| 05:09.09 | Abr1l | aqui ahora todos usan eso de linux como si fuera tan bueno |
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| 05:10.04 | pparadis | rgenito: well, my last isn't strictly true. sometimes i do "sudo -i" instead. looking at the reboot thing now. |
| 05:10.26 | rgenito | thanks pparadis, you've been a lot of help in such a short time. i really appreciate it |
| 05:11.07 | rgenito | i'm doing whatever i can to stick with debian squeeze and not jump to ubuntu ... debian just feels right. and ubuntu (at least up until version 11.04) always managed to get me a lil mad :) |
| 05:11.55 | pparadis | rgenito: "sudo reboot" simply reboots for me. |
| 05:12.11 | pparadis | rgenito: maybe this was related to your network interfaces being jacked up. |
| 05:12.54 | rgenito | ya, maybe |
| 05:13.18 | rgenito | another strange thing seems to happen.. probably has to do with my fstab |
| 05:13.19 | pparadis | rgenito: ubuntu is offtopic here of course, but i'll relate this much to you: debian hasn't let me down in over 10 years, whereas ubuntu has several (very painful) times. also, for anyone who cares about stability, only LTS releases are worth a damn, but again, i use debian for 99% of my stuff because i just want it to work. |
| 05:13.35 | rgenito | "LTS"? |
| 05:14.20 | pparadis | their "long term support" releases, as opposed to their "zomg shiny new shit" releases. but again, it's really and truly offtopic for this channel. Use Debian, Love Debian, Problem Solved. :) |
| 05:14.31 | rgenito | ahhh |
| 05:14.39 | rgenito | hehe :) |
| 05:14.40 | pparadis | !tell rgenito about sns |
| 05:14.55 | rgenito | ya, the LTS releases do make me happy... only because... well, "LTS" |
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| 05:15.00 | rgenito | (didn't realize that's what it stood for) |
| 05:15.10 | rgenito | so far, debian has been letting me down :( i think it may have to do with my ignorance tho |
| 05:15.30 | pparadis | but yeah, i honestly just put debian on servers by default now. there has to be a serious case made for anything else. |
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| 05:15.34 | rgenito | it's like a relationship where i've completely fallen in love. but then there are these little quirks that i gotta work through... |
| 05:15.42 | honschu_ | Hi. I "multistrapped" a debian armel system. The bootprocess stopps with this last message: "Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel 2." ... that's all I can see. Something I am doing wrong. Can you help me? |
| 05:15.43 | rgenito | oh ya? |
| 05:15.48 | pparadis | rgenito: http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 05:15.51 | rgenito | thanks :) |
| 05:16.42 | rgenito | pparadis: btw, sshd did NOT automatically boot up |
| 05:16.57 | LtL | rgenito: update-rc.d ssh defaults should work |
| 05:16.59 | rgenito | about a week ago i installed sshd via "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" |
| 05:17.04 | pparadis | LtL: yepper |
| 05:17.12 | rgenito | man, i really gotta learn about this rc.d thing |
| 05:17.21 | pparadis | rgenito: see what LtL just said, although i'm mystified what you've done to alter that. |
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| 05:17.40 | pparadis | rgenito: because sshd most certainly starts by default, well, by default. |
| 05:17.56 | pparadis | rgenito: did you network stack come up properly this time? |
| 05:18.01 | pparadis | s/did you/did your/ |
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| 05:18.39 | rgenito_ | pparadis, hmm, does this make sense? |
| 05:18.42 | rgenito_ | this: |
| 05:19.15 | rgenito_ | http://paste.debian.net/182867/ |
| 05:19.17 | rgenito_ | my output :D |
| 05:19.32 | pparadis | you can ignore that. |
| 05:20.04 | pparadis | rgenito_: did the network stack come up on boot this time? |
| 05:20.11 | rgenito_ | pparadis, how would i know? |
| 05:20.22 | rgenito_ | btw, sshd still isn't running after i did that update-rc.d ssh defaults =[ |
| 05:20.23 | pparadis | ... ifconfig, ping something, etc? |
| 05:20.28 | rgenito_ | then again, maybe THAT didn't exactly do anything... |
| 05:20.32 | pparadis | you have to start sshd. |
| 05:20.44 | LtL | rgenito: /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 05:20.49 | pparadis | updating its rc.d links doesn't start it. |
| 05:21.08 | rgenito_ | sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path |
| 05:21.14 | rgenito_ | that's when i do # sshd |
| 05:21.14 | rgenito_ | hehe |
| 05:21.18 | rgenito_ | i should just reboot i guess |
| 05:21.22 | pparadis | no |
| 05:21.26 | pparadis | /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 05:21.31 | pparadis | that will start sshd ^ |
| 05:21.47 | rgenito_ | ty |
| 05:21.54 | rgenito_ | i also want to test rebooting... see what that does hehe |
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| 05:23.10 | rgenito | sweet, thanks LtL and pparadis :) |
| 05:23.19 | pparadis | sure thing |
| 05:23.28 | rgenito | i'll be back tomorrow if ssh still doesn't come back on boot lol...but i somehow trust that it will work now |
| 05:23.36 | LtL | rgenito: pparadis did it all, yw |
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| 05:23.42 | pparadis | oh you should always reboot after configuring a daemon of any type. |
| 05:24.02 | pparadis | never, ever trust a server to behave properly on reboot until you've verified it once. |
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| 05:24.23 | rgenito | damn |
| 05:24.28 | rgenito | ok brb |
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| 05:25.57 | rgenito | sweet! now rebooting works :D |
| 05:26.19 | pparadis | rgenito: good deal |
| 05:26.27 | rgenito | i still get (upon booting) fsck died with exit status 8 |
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| 05:27.28 | pparadis | that exit status is defined as "operational error" but i have no idea what that means. is this a VPS, physical machine, what? |
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| 05:27.59 | rgenito | something fails because "/dev/sdb1 is already mounted" |
| 05:28.08 | rgenito | it's a physical machine |
| 05:28.22 | pparadis | what does your /etc/fstab look like? |
| 05:29.05 | rgenito | lemme paste that baby... |
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| 05:30.11 | rue_house | what program is used to configure metacity? |
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| 05:31.01 | rgenito | and for some strange reason... whenever x boots up, i cannot see the login screen. |
| 05:31.16 | rgenito | at all. nothing is on the monitor (the monitor shuts off or something) |
| 05:31.31 | nimbos | sounds like what happened to me when I messed up xorg.conf |
| 05:31.42 | rgenito | and i accidentally figured out (by messing with the machine) that if i just type the username, then password... then the monitor turns on and i see the x windows thing |
| 05:31.52 | rgenito | nimbos: ya, but my xorg.conf hasn't been touched in weeks... |
| 05:31.59 | rgenito | so that part confuses me =\ |
| 05:32.04 | pparadis | what changed when this started happening? |
| 05:32.10 | rue_house | rgenito, do you have an onboard video card your not using? |
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| 05:32.49 | rue_house | do you have automatic updates left on? |
| 05:32.49 | ksuhku | rue_house, taken a look at gconf-editor? |
| 05:32.56 | pparadis | rgenito: you could also hit ctrl+alt+f2 to get a TTY, log in as root, and review X logs under /var/log |
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| 05:33.16 | LtL | rue_house: man metacity is all i can tell you. never tried it. |
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| 05:33.23 | pparadis | rgenito: it sounds like a problem with gdm or whatever login manager you're using. |
| 05:33.24 | rgenito_ | and now my /etc/fstab : http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e2ea8d9b/ |
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| 05:33.51 | rue_house | I thik I'm using gnome3 now |
| 05:34.03 | rgenito_ | pparadis, at boot, debian complains that sdb1 is already mounted? which confuses me |
| 05:34.06 | rue_house | gconf editor is useless |
| 05:34.38 | nimbos | weird |
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| 05:34.49 | nimbos | is it a laptop? |
| 05:34.56 | rgenito | and btw, sshd automatically starts :D sweet :D |
| 05:35.04 | pparadis | rgenito_: what does "mount" tell you about where sdb1 is mounted? |
| 05:35.18 | rgenito | nope, not a laptop. a desktop that's purpose (soon) will be just to sit there and serve :D |
| 05:35.30 | rgenito | pparadis: what do you mean? (which command should i type?) |
| 05:35.40 | pparadis | just "mount" |
| 05:35.41 | rgenito | ooooh |
| 05:35.42 | rgenito | "mount" |
| 05:35.45 | nimbos | did you cycle the power by chance? like shut it off and unplug it? |
| 05:36.19 | rgenito | nimbos maybe at one point earlier today i did |
| 05:36.28 | rgenito | ya actually, i definitely did that |
| 05:36.46 | rgenito | pparadis: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/60f01150/ |
| 05:37.12 | nimbos | well, i mean, sometimes I have weird issues where memory doesn't clear and it does things it shouldn't but cycling the power fixes it. Not necessarily linux, but my computer in general. |
| 05:37.20 | rgenito | pparadis: it appears that /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1 "swap" every other boot |
| 05:37.25 | pparadis | rgenito: there's your problem. /dev/sdb1 is "/" on your system. in /etc/fstab you're trying to put it on /3tb |
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| 05:37.40 | rgenito | OH YA |
| 05:37.42 | rgenito | dude, |
| 05:37.57 | rgenito | the /dev/sda1 was my system earlier. |
| 05:38.03 | rgenito | and it switched to /dev/sdb1 another time >[ |
| 05:38.09 | nimbos | lol cool |
| 05:38.12 | rgenito | it's kind of annoying. maybe this is why i should use UUID's instead, eh? |
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| 05:38.15 | WormFood | where do I get a libdvdread package for debian, that works? |
| 05:38.31 | pparadis | !uuid |
| 05:38.32 | dpkg | A Universally Unique IDentifier (UUID) is used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (<libata> transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 05:39.42 | pparadis | WormFood: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libdvdread-dev |
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| 05:40.02 | pparadis | WormFood: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libdvdread4 |
| 05:40.03 | WormFood | pparadis, will it work on debian stable ok? |
| 05:40.13 | pparadis | WormFood: see that last link. |
| 05:40.21 | rgenito | pparadis: thanks :) i'll just use blkid to get the UUIDs then :D |
| 05:40.25 | WormFood | ok, thanks |
| 05:40.32 | pparadis | WormFood: that's the package from stable (debian 6) |
| 05:40.38 | pparadis | no problem |
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| 05:40.47 | pparadis | rgenito: it can make life easier. |
| 05:40.48 | WormFood | pparadis, it does not work |
| 05:40.55 | rgenito | hehe :) |
| 05:40.56 | WormFood | it says so, right on that page you gave me |
| 05:41.01 | pparadis | !doesn't work |
| 05:41.01 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
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| 05:41.44 | pparadis | WormFood: where does it say it doesn't work? |
| 05:41.44 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.52 | WormFood | it won't decrypt a dvd |
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| 05:42.09 | pparadis | WormFood: you're probably confused. debian cannot distribute decss code. you have to get libdvdcss elsewhere. |
| 05:42.10 | WormFood | most dvd movies, are encrypted. So libdvdread does not read most dvds |
| 05:42.17 | WormFood | WHERE?!? |
| 05:42.18 | pparadis | see what i just said. |
| 05:42.28 | WormFood | read the doc page, that just tells me to go to a web site that is not there |
| 05:42.32 | pparadis | that's honestly beyond the scope and topic of this channel. |
| 05:42.41 | pparadis | i am _quite_ aware of what the problem is, by the wway. |
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| 05:43.01 | pparadis | it can't be included in debian for legal reasons, not because debian devs hate your dvd watching freedom. |
| 05:43.09 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 05:43.21 | subb1 | hi all. I'm using syslog-ng for writing into some custom log files. It works fine. But after logrotation of those log files, syslog-ng stops writing to them. Please help. I use debian6 with syslog-ng version 3.2. Thanks! |
| 05:43.21 | WormFood | I thought it was because they were anti-hollywood ;) |
| 05:43.29 | SLFCore | greetings |
| 05:43.38 | nimbos | well |
| 05:43.41 | pparadis | WormFood: debian folks like movies as much as you :) |
| 05:43.44 | WormFood | I understand the legal aspects of it not being available in all areas, so they can't include it in the base system |
| 05:43.54 | SLFCore | i hate movies lol |
| 05:43.55 | nimbos | I was at scale and the Debian guys had this sign up that said "we hate your dvd watching freedom" |
| 05:44.00 | pparadis | it can't be in the debian repos, period. |
| 05:44.09 | pparadis | nimbos: hahahaahahaha |
| 05:44.18 | WormFood | honestly, I watch few movies. I just want to rip this dvd so I can play it over the network, so I don't have a 2 year old screwing up my DVDs (which are in excellent condition, and I want to keep them that way) |
| 05:44.20 | nimbos | then they charged me double for a tshirt which I thought was supposed to be free |
| 05:44.46 | pparadis | WormFood: i have a 2 year old as well, and yepper, she _loves_ taking DVDs out of their cases. i feel your pain. |
| 05:45.20 | WormFood | it can be in a repo somewhere....and I'm sure it is....I just don't know which repo. I'd expect debian-multimedia, but if it is there, then I don't know what name it is under. |
| 05:45.57 | WormFood | well, this 2 year old isn't mine. Mine is 3 days old....not quite at the age to be screwing up DVDs yet....lucky for me, this 2 year leaves in a month ;) |
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| 05:46.14 | rgenito | ooooo i see... |
| 05:46.29 | rgenito | i accidentally setup a root user (by just blindly typing in the password when squeeze installer asked for a pass) |
| 05:46.30 | nimbos | well, why not just download the source somewhere and install it? and congratulations on getting an iphone... err having a baby. |
| 05:46.46 | rgenito | so to disable root now... is the usual method (to disable root) "passwd -l root" ? |
| 05:46.47 | WormFood | so, what repo has the libdvdcss libraries? |
| 05:46.48 | pparadis | !tell WormFood about libdvdcss |
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| 05:47.53 | nimbos | is this it ? http://www.videolan.org/developers/libdvdcss.html |
| 05:48.08 | rgenito | pparadis: thanks man :D you helped me out so much... i got everything working beautifully :D |
| 05:48.18 | rgenito | except that weird graphical login thing missing. i can live without that tho :) |
| 05:48.21 | rgenito | have a good night! :D |
| 05:48.27 | pparadis | rgenito: heh, good deal man :). good night \o |
| 05:48.38 | rgenito | i'll figure out the login thing on another day lol ;) |
| 05:48.44 | pparadis | nod |
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| 05:49.08 | fabiobik | anyone here with experience with rfid under linux? |
| 05:49.15 | fabiobik | linux/debian |
| 05:49.15 | pparadis | !anyone |
| 05:49.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 05:49.45 | fabiobik | !anyone pparadis |
| 05:49.52 | rgenito | awww man |
| 05:49.55 | fabiobik | why this? |
| 05:49.59 | rgenito | now i have some screens that i cannot re-attach for some reason :( :( :( |
| 05:50.13 | nimbos | !nimbos |
| 05:50.17 | nimbos | dang |
| 05:50.23 | fabiobik | !help |
| 05:50.26 | pparadis | rgenito: you're probably trying to reattach from within another screen session. |
| 05:50.28 | nimbos | !no |
| 05:50.29 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 05:50.37 | pparadis | rgenito: you might try "-Dr" to resume one. |
| 05:50.42 | nimbos | !noob |
| 05:50.43 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 05:50.49 | nimbos | LOL |
| 05:50.52 | rgenito | well, i DID start the screens from a user... then logged out lol |
| 05:51.10 | pparadis | rgenito: what time zone are you in? |
| 05:51.14 | jelly-home | nimbos: please ask the bot stuff in private, /msg dpkg noob |
| 05:51.26 | stockholm | it would be good if that comment was never given |
| 05:51.32 | stockholm | its demeaning |
| 05:51.46 | nimbos | my bad, i was just checking what it has |
| 05:51.47 | rgenito | pparadis: that makes me sad ;( EST |
| 05:51.59 | pparadis | rgenito: i'm in CDT. we should both be in bed. :) |
| 05:52.31 | rgenito | here's me attempting to open a screen :) |
| 05:52.34 | rgenito | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/2db2eb3c/ |
| 05:52.45 | rgenito | ya, we should get to bed hehe |
| 05:52.49 | pparadis | suddenly realizes he just asked rgenito to go to bed with him, quickly /clear[s] before the wife finds out |
| 05:53.02 | rgenito | hah |
| 05:53.09 | rgenito | i just cleared...never did that before |
| 05:53.11 | rgenito | w00t |
| 05:53.13 | pparadis | heads off to bed for real. good night all! o |
| 05:54.07 | rgenito | heh |
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| 05:54.18 | rgenito | bugs no fun |
| 05:54.22 | rgenito | ack, just keeps clearing.... |
| 05:54.24 | rgenito | brb |
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| 05:55.23 | rgenito | heh |
| 05:55.25 | rgenito | yay no more clearing! |
| 05:55.34 | rgenito | i must have run into a software bug with Limechat for OSX ;x |
| 05:56.13 | rgenito | pparadis: any idea how to get any of those screens back? :) |
| 05:56.16 | rgenito | they're probably gone for good! |
| 05:56.24 | rgenito | which is ok, i'll just reboot :D |
| 05:56.43 | rgenito | heh |
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| 05:58.58 | rue_house | there is no gnome-tweek-tool in debian, what do I use instead? |
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| 05:59.37 | rue_house | I just want to set the theme metacity uses |
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| 06:01.01 | rgenito | gnighty pparadis :D |
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| 06:01.32 | rue_house | how is gnome 3 configured? |
| 06:01.33 | mmnicolas | What would be a good formula to guess the stable release date ? |
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| 06:02.10 | rue_house | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.26 | rue_house | does gnome 3 work at all? |
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| 06:03.12 | mmnicolas | rue_house: it works, it's just not very customizable |
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| 06:03.26 | peterrooney | mmnicolas: wir, siyh |
| 06:03.48 | rue_house | sofar it dosn't work |
| 06:03.51 | mmnicolas | peterrooney: ? |
| 06:04.02 | rue_house | its having to fall back on default-session |
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| 06:05.30 | rue_house | gnome 3 should not have been put into testing without gnome-tweak-tool |
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| 06:06.34 | rue_house | erp, heps to spell tweek right |
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| 06:06.59 | mmnicolas | gnome-tweak-tool IS in testing |
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| 06:08.11 | nimbos | since, debian is moving to xfce as default, is gnome 2.xx still going to be available? |
| 06:08.39 | rue_house | its not tweek tool tho its tweak toool |
| 06:08.53 | rue_house | can anyone help me find the gi library for python? |
| 06:09.04 | rue_house | ImportError: No module named gi |
| 06:09.36 | rue_house | apparently the tweak-tool is missing a python dependency link |
| 06:10.05 | gnarface | could "noapic nolapic acpi=off vga=normal fb=false" (or whatever you set fb to in order to disable it) fix the problem where grub says it doesn't recognize the filesystem (no matter what filesystem) ? |
| 06:11.09 | oneand0 | rue_house: python-gi perhaps? |
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| 06:12.09 | rue_house | nope, hmm |
| 06:12.15 | rue_house | thats already installed |
| 06:12.22 | nimbos | your path isn't setup then |
| 06:12.23 | rue_house | I wonder what its looking for |
| 06:12.33 | rue_house | ok, |
| 06:12.38 | rue_house | next step? |
| 06:12.52 | nimbos | Google how to setup your python path |
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| 06:13.24 | rue_house | actually I'm two hours past bedtime, I'll beat my head on this more tommorow |
| 06:13.43 | rue_house | amazing I cant just click what metacity theme I want |
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| 06:23.57 | mmnicolas | gnarface: and you're sure grub is looking at the right partition ? This is an issue I've had with some old bioses, they switch the order of whatever you boot on first, where sda1 can never be hd(0,0) is booted from a cdrom |
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| 06:24.08 | mmnicolas | s/is/if |
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| 06:26.31 | gnarface | mmnicolas: hmm. well if that were the only problem then i'd be able to use ls (hd0,msdos1) or (hd0,msdos2) successfully when it dumps to the rescue prompt right? |
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| 06:28.38 | mmnicolas | gnarface: I didn't know you could do that in busybox, but I guess you should be able to mount something yes |
| 06:29.17 | mmnicolas | sorry not busybox |
| 06:30.50 | gnarface | mmnicolas: yea its weird. the grub that goes on the mbr appears crippled, but i've successfully booted the installer in rescue mode on the finished install (given acpi=off and some other junk that seems to have intermittent success rates) |
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| 06:36.02 | mmnicolas | gnarface: how does it turn out exactly ? you can access the grub menu, boot and end at a "Root filesystem not found" or something ? |
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| 06:38.22 | gnarface | mmnicolas: no right after it says its loading grub in reverse text when you'd expect to see the grub menu next it instead dumps to a "grub rescue>" prompt |
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| 06:38.57 | gnarface | mmnicolas: i can't seem to figure out what to do with this prompt. it claims "root", and "kernel" aren't commands but though ls is a command it doesn't recognize the filesystem |
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| 06:41.10 | gnarface | mmnicolas: the grub error is "error: unknown filesystem" |
| 06:41.46 | mmnicolas | you made sure LBA is enabled ? non-LBA limit happens to be 7.8g, that would be fun |
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| 06:41.58 | mmnicolas | 7.8G |
| 06:42.53 | gnarface | hmm. should be auto |
| 06:42.58 | nimbos | this is something that happened one day after using the computer over a period of time? |
| 06:43.01 | mmnicolas | and also found that: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/lilo-l-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-a-382997/ |
| 06:43.24 | mmnicolas | "the same problem was solved by setting in BIOS access to HD by LBA, not Auto. " |
| 06:43.48 | gnarface | nimbos: not as far as i know; it merely used to be running an old version of openbsd and was decommissioned a couple years ago. i decided to install debian on it (or attempt to) |
| 06:43.54 | gnarface | mmnicolas: interesting. ok i can try that |
| 06:44.11 | nimbos | so, this is your first restart of it? |
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| 06:44.53 | gnarface | nimbos: reinstall of it or restart of it? neither, by a long shot |
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| 06:46.06 | nimbos | gnarface, have you ever been able to boot into debian? |
| 06:46.41 | mmnicolas | he actually completed the install from what I understand |
| 06:47.13 | nimbos | is there anyway to verify that the file system was written correctly? |
| 06:47.33 | nimbos | I had a bad install that yielded a similar situation. |
| 06:47.53 | gnarface | nimbos: yes, install completed, and rescue mode on installer allows me to successfully execute a shell in the installed environment... maybe the mbr isn't getting written though (despite no errors) |
| 06:47.57 | mmnicolas | nimbos: I would chroot in and debsums -a |
| 06:48.25 | gnarface | nimbos: and no... as i said previously it was an openbsd server so it was actually NEVER known to work with debian ... but its just a p2 board... |
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| 06:50.31 | gnarface | mmnicolas: hot damn, the tip about switching it from type AUTO to type LBA fixed it |
| 06:50.35 | mmnicolas | I wanna know if the LBA thing works, it must be a BIOS issue, I smell it |
| 06:50.36 | gnarface | mmnicolas: thanks man! |
| 06:50.41 | mmnicolas | aha! |
| 06:50.46 | nimbos | cool |
| 06:50.54 | gnarface | wow i wonder if it'll boot knoppix now... |
| 06:50.55 | mmnicolas | no problem, it was really awesome to find |
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| 06:51.15 | gnarface | i really wanted an updated bios for this thing but i can't seem to find it |
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| 06:51.26 | nimbos | p2 board? |
| 06:51.43 | nimbos | i'm not sure the p2 era internet exists anymore |
| 06:51.46 | gnarface | the company that made it may have been named "azza" and either died or ditched motherboard sales/support |
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| 06:52.44 | nimbos | out of curiousity, does it have sound built into the motherboard? |
| 06:53.02 | nimbos | or is it still from the era where that was a luxury |
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| 06:54.23 | mrrhq | Hi, I need some help. Debian no longer recognises my SD Card in the front card reader of my PC. I'm running Sid. |
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| 06:54.46 | gnarface | nimbos: this model did not, but another subrevision of it may have. it does have usb, and the bios boot options suggest it has support for booting from either ide or parallel port ls-120 zip drives |
| 06:54.48 | mrrhq | *recognizes |
| 06:54.50 | fleeky | i have a pretty new motherboard, gigabyte z77-d3h-mvp debian squeeze cannot detect the atheros gigabit lan card , and i am pretty sure it also cant load the proper chipset that is handle the disk drive since that is also not being detected. anyone have ideas for how to load squeeze on this ? |
| 06:55.16 | nimbos | lol |
| 06:55.28 | gnarface | weird that openbsd didn't have a problem with it though, no? |
| 06:55.35 | nimbos | yeah |
| 06:55.37 | fleeky | i am using just the normal text install btw |
| 06:56.04 | nimbos | fleeky, try updating your kernel |
| 06:56.12 | fleeky | yes but i cant even install debian |
| 06:56.17 | nimbos | OH |
| 06:56.17 | fleeky | onto the ssd hardrive |
| 06:56.34 | mrrhq | I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this hardware problem. I suspect it's udev, but I am horrible at figuring out udev. |
| 06:56.43 | nimbos | dang, can you use a live cd? |
| 06:57.10 | fleeky | nimbos, i havent tried installing via live-cd yet |
| 06:57.35 | fleeky | ive even tried the non-free-firmware netinst |
| 06:57.50 | mmnicolas | gnarface: I think this is the most you'll get: http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://www.azza.com.tw/* There is a .bin file, might be a BIOS rom :P |
| 06:58.08 | nimbos | i had similar hardware issues with my laptop. I had to add update the kernel to make debian work correctly. |
| 06:58.20 | nimbos | but I think you just said that eth0 isn't even detected? |
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| 06:58.31 | fleeky | yeah and the ssd is not being detected |
| 06:58.36 | fleeky | which must be the chipset of the mb |
| 06:58.43 | fleeky | since ive installed squeeze on this exact same ssd |
| 06:58.50 | nimbos | dang, quit using hardware from the future |
| 06:58.51 | fleeky | on another machine with an older mb/cpu combo |
| 06:58.56 | fleeky | good point |
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| 06:59.39 | fleeky | hmm i guess ill try a live cd thing, see if that works maybe |
| 06:59.55 | nimbos | it's worth a shot, if it will boot up and run, it's a good sign. |
| 07:00.10 | fleeky | yeah i mean i might be able to modprobe start stuff, then maybe it can atleast update |
| 07:00.50 | fleeky | wait a sec |
| 07:00.52 | nimbos | if debian won't work, try the Ubuntu live cd for 12.04, omg don't kill me. But I had ZERO problems with that and used it until I could solve the problem with Debian. Then I reinstalled debian to make the fixes. |
| 07:01.08 | fleeky | yeah i just want to run debian because of less bloat , seems faster |
| 07:01.21 | fleeky | if i went the ubuntu route i would just go linux mint |
| 07:01.43 | nimbos | well, if the live cd boots up for Ubuntu, then you can tell it's the kernel. |
| 07:01.49 | nimbos | well, you'll have a good idea |
| 07:02.02 | fleeky | its definitely the default kernel that comes with squeeze |
| 07:02.17 | nimbos | yeah, i had to add backports and upgrade |
| 07:02.25 | nimbos | but i'm not good at computers. |
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| 07:02.29 | fleeky | ah |
| 07:02.32 | nimbos | so for me that was a feat of strength |
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| 07:03.59 | nimbos | i got 3.something kernel and it worked flawlessly |
| 07:04.04 | fleeky | you added backports and upgraded? |
| 07:04.08 | fleeky | can you explain a little more |
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| 07:05.25 | nimbos | backports is a repo |
| 07:05.39 | nimbos | then I was able to upgrade the kernel |
| 07:05.47 | nimbos | once debian was installed initially on the computer |
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| 07:06.00 | nimbos | for me though, I was able to use my ethernet port |
| 07:07.27 | fleeky | ah yeah |
| 07:07.40 | fleeky | i thought there may be someway to do that in the installer ;) |
| 07:07.47 | pacquiao | anyone who got the source for postfix to patch (apply the .diff) and compile? |
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| 07:08.19 | nimbos | fleeky, that would have made both our lives too easy. |
| 07:08.23 | nimbos | but there might be. |
| 07:08.27 | nimbos | who knows... |
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| 07:09.39 | mmnicolas | pacquiao: what does that mean ? you want to apply a patch yourself ? |
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| 07:10.03 | jbeatty | I am trying to set up a groupware server (email/calendar, etc) on Debian, does anyone have any suggestions? ("Do each bit individually" is a good suggestion, too.) |
| 07:11.21 | threadlock | pacquiao: apt-get source packagename, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 07:11.29 | mmnicolas | pacquiao: sources are "just there" if you have removed the default deb-src lines in your sources.list, just look up apt-src, it will let you apply some exotic patch, compile and build a debian package |
| 07:11.41 | mmnicolas | *if you haven |
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| 07:11.48 | mmnicolas | 't |
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| 07:18.17 | threadlock | pacquiao: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-sourcebuild |
| 07:19.05 | mmnicolas | threadlock: that's much more complicated than using apt-src |
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| 07:20.02 | threadlock | mmnicolas: oh, sry |
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| 07:20.21 | mmnicolas | http://wiki.debian.org/apt-src |
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| 07:23.11 | mmnicolas | There doesn't seem to be any difference in the resulting package, wonder why it didnt't make it into some official doc like the one you pointed out |
| 07:23.12 | threadlock | I noticed that the first link I pasted said "(Obsolete documentation)". |
| 07:23.20 | BotaniCar|2 | what's the kernel version (2.4 or 2.6) on debian 6 DVD installer ? |
| 07:23.48 | threadlock | 2.6.32, no? |
| 07:23.54 | _stefanos_ | hello everyone. i have added deb-multimedia a long time ago in my repository list and i now want to remove it. is there a way to find out what packages i have installed from it so i can uninstall them? |
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| 07:24.08 | BotaniCar|2 | not sure, just starting configuration of VM, and vmware is asking me :) Thx |
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| 07:24.41 | mmnicolas | _stefanos_: aha! yes there is: aptitude search '~i ?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages)' |
| 07:24.54 | _stefanos_ | thanks mmnicolas |
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| 07:27.28 | mmnicolas | BotaniCar|2: is it 6.0.0 ? |
| 07:28.08 | BotaniCar|2 | mmnicolas: media just has a handwriten 'debian 6' on it |
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| 07:28.56 | mmnicolas | I think it always was 2.6.38 |
| 07:29.34 | mmnicolas | sorry 2.6.32 |
| 07:29.35 | pacquiao | mmnicolas: no but I want to use the postfix source + patch for another non-Debian install |
| 07:29.54 | pacquiao | since they added a special feature to the MTA (include file i.e. myhostname = /etc/mailname) |
| 07:30.33 | pacquiao | when I do search for the postfix squeeze source package at http://packages.debian.org/, download the tarball and the .diff |
| 07:31.09 | pacquiao | I'm only able to apply the patch to 80% of the files in the source tree |
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| 07:33.44 | mmnicolas | well, what's in the package is what's in the package, it may be attempting to patch some other postfix component packaged separately |
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| 07:43.38 | pacquiao | mmnicolas: but both the postfix.tar.gz and the patch.diff come from the same (stable) repo |
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| 07:45.47 | innociv_ | I'm trying to get monit to stop something when it's using too much cpu. What am I doing wrong? http://pastebin.com/De1bfTCu In htop I see the process using over 80% cpu. at /var/run/rphmessenger.pid I see the pidid for it there. |
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| 07:48.21 | innociv_ | sudo probably doesn't work. It's probably an issue of my stop command. |
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| 07:49.11 | esolyt | hey |
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| 07:50.11 | jargon- | anybody know where i can get a midori 0.4.6 .deb for Squeeze? |
| 07:50.21 | jargon- | it's not in the backports, unfortunately |
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| 07:59.37 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/X8EVpZwS Can anyone tell me why this monit config doesn't work? The program isn't be stopped, when I see the pidid matching what's in the pidfile of the program that's using too much cpu. |
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| 08:02.51 | optraz | auth-client-config <-- that is the package name in ubuntu, what is the equivalent package name in debian? |
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| 08:06.38 | sauvin | auth2db-common - Common configuration files for Auth2db backend and web frontend |
| 08:06.45 | sauvin | optraz: that one? ^^ |
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| 08:08.02 | mark06 | how to undo apt-get's build-dep? |
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| 08:09.00 | palermo | how do i get sound in console? i cannot listen to mp3 |
| 08:09.10 | palermo | i installed alsa but it didnt help |
| 08:10.01 | abec0 | What about the sound volume ? alsamixer will tell you if all is mute, for example. |
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| 08:10.44 | palermo | abec0: yes i checked that... it looks more like it is muted than it not finding any sound card... mpg123 givesn no errors |
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| 08:11.50 | abec0 | So... Alsamixer tells you the sound *is* mute, or... |
| 08:12.26 | palermo | no it is not |
| 08:13.03 | streuner_ | palermo: lspci -nn | grep -i audio |
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| 08:13.42 | palermo | ok it was muted sorry |
| 08:13.52 | optraz | sauvin: why they are the same package?! |
| 08:14.05 | abec0 | Good ;-) |
| 08:14.19 | sauvin | Because Ubuntu IS Debian with a few things... erm... "tweaked". |
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| 08:15.13 | optraz | sauvin: i think you mis understand my question. i want to find the equivalent package in debian which it is auth-client-config that is available in ubuntu |
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| 08:19.07 | jelly-home | optraz: what does it do? |
| 08:19.35 | alkisg | optraz: http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/missing/byname/ |
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| 08:21.23 | abec0 | God, it is *not* a typo ;-) |
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| 08:22.03 | abec0 | http://packages.ubuntu.com/fr/precise/auth-client-config tells us: |
| 08:22.11 | abec0 | pam and NSS profile switcher |
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| 08:22.41 | abec0 | (depending on libpam-cracklib and pythoon) |
| 08:22.48 | optraz | jelly-home: auth-client-config package allows simple configuration of PAM for authentication from multiple sources |
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| 08:24.25 | jelly-home | optraz: try "dpkg-reconfigure libpam-runtime" in Debian? |
| 08:24.48 | dark-sun | my usb devices are mounted as read only, any idea how to track this issue? |
| 08:25.02 | optraz | jelly-home: okay, just a few moments |
| 08:25.14 | dark-sun | this is happening after an update |
| 08:25.28 | xgl__ | hi all |
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| 08:26.16 | Lasse- | Hi |
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| 08:35.36 | dark-sun | heeelp |
| 08:35.44 | dark-sun | my usb devices are mount read-only |
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| 08:35.50 | dark-sun | :(( |
| 08:37.38 | dark-sun | damn it, is there any one here??? |
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| 08:40.10 | streuner_ | dark-sun: what kind of FS do you use, how do you mount the USB device |
| 08:40.11 | streuner_ | ? |
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| 08:40.21 | dark-sun | ntfs, fat32 |
| 08:40.26 | dark-sun | they're same |
| 08:40.32 | abec0 | I would use sudo tail -f /var/log/messages , and emacs /etc/fstab, damn it! ;-). |
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| 08:41.04 | streuner_ | dark-sun: and you use mount command by hand? |
| 08:41.25 | streuner_ | dpkg, ntfsrw |
| 08:41.25 | dpkg | NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Also ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 08:42.14 | streuner_ | dark-sun: ^^^, if you need writeaccess for vfat, just /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 08:42.51 | dark-sun | streuner_✪ http://pastebin.com/71NvRaJH |
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| 08:43.35 | thomas | Guest20249: that script annoys me to no end |
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| 08:44.56 | abec0 | dark-sun: Then I would try line line like /dev/sdb1 /western auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:45.26 | abec0 | (having a western digital external hd) |
| 08:45.40 | abec0 | (after sudo mkdir /western, of course) |
| 08:45.41 | dark-sun | abec0✪ that's a usb device, it's not always /dev/sdb1 |
| 08:45.52 | abec0 | I know, but... |
| 08:46.03 | abec0 | This is what I do (very dirty:) |
| 08:46.06 | dark-sun | i think i need to make usb mounter to mount it as user |
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| 08:46.39 | abec0 | I have a line /dev/sdb1, an other for /dev/sdc1, etc...) |
| 08:46.49 | dark-sun | i just don't know how to configure usb mounter and I don't know where is it? |
| 08:47.03 | abec0 | dark-sun: I mount by hand ;-) |
| 08:47.13 | dark-sun | :-( |
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| 08:47.35 | abec0 | I have a /western, a /digital, a /other, a /external, a /disk... ;-) |
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| 08:48.00 | abec0 | in /etc/fstab, with /dev/sdb1, /dev/sdc1, /dev/sdd1, etc... ;-) |
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| 08:48.16 | dark-sun | nobody knows *what* is responsible for mounting usb devices? |
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| 08:48.27 | abec0 | Very dirty, but «it works for me» (tm). |
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| 08:49.04 | dark-sun | abec0✪ okay, fine. i read you crystal clear. but I need to do it with *usbmounter thing* |
| 08:49.16 | shtrb | any ideas how to work with IPSEC when my client router can be modified ? (i.e I'm behind NAT and I can't change shit on my router) |
| 08:49.16 | jargon- | anybody successfully installed midori 0.4 on debian squeeze? i'm having trouble building it from source. running into vala dependency issues. |
| 08:49.21 | thewanderer1 | dark-sun: are you mounting it using a desktop interface? GNOME? |
| 08:49.39 | dark-sun | thewanderer1✪ yes, yes, that's gnome |
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| 08:50.03 | thewanderer1 | dark-sun: AFAIK, GNOME uses entries from /etc/fstab if they are available. put your device in fstab in rw mode, and it should pick the setting up... |
| 08:50.18 | jelly-home | dark-sun: that star makes your lines less readable btw |
| 08:50.44 | abec0 | There is also this: http://wiki.debian.org/usbmount |
| 08:50.45 | jelly-home | draws attention away from text |
| 08:50.54 | Iridos | dark-sun, there's several... one of them is part of gnome, surely one that is part of kde also exists... there's usbmout and automount and, and, and... |
| 08:51.34 | Iridos | the star wants to be the star of the sentence? :D |
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| 08:51.56 | dark-sun | none of them is installed Iridos, should I install one? |
| 08:52.48 | Iridos | oh, actually you asked something else and it was alreaedy answered and this is just the epilogue |
| 08:53.26 | Iridos | and your pastebin doesn't say anything that the vfat is read-only |
| 08:53.40 | Iridos | and streuner_ answered the question why the ntfs is ro and what to do about it |
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| 08:54.13 | Iridos | so I still think you're all set, just have to actually read the stuff |
| 08:54.24 | UltraMC | How to get that terminal look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yoc8Z8XJIA#t=40s - is this some kind of "terminal type" or what? |
| 08:55.14 | Iridos | you want your terminal to look like youtube videos? |
| 08:55.43 | UltraMC | Iridos, you idiot look at the video |
| 08:56.01 | Iridos | you idiot, I don't do videos |
| 08:56.02 | abec0 | UltraMC: I would $search_engine [ customize bash prompt ] |
| 08:56.23 | UltraMC | ty smartass |
| 08:56.23 | UltraMC | cya |
| 08:56.31 | abec0 | You have to set the $PS1 env variable |
| 08:57.19 | abec0 | (is he gone already ;-) |
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| 09:01.40 | Iridos | right |
| 09:01.42 | Iridos | !next |
| 09:01.59 | Iridos | what's with dpkg?! |
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| 09:05.11 | marsje | How can I test if ntpd is working? I did a tcpdump to see any traffic on port 123, but I don't see it. I get the feeling it might be blocked by my firewall. |
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| 09:06.00 | streuner_ | Iridos: works here via /msg |
| 09:06.21 | streuner_ | dpkg, wb |
| 09:06.21 | dpkg | thanks, streuner_. It's good to be back. |
| 09:06.24 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 09:06.44 | Iridos | streuner_, the !next factoid is deleted, it seems |
| 09:07.52 | dizzylizzy | what's this i hear about XFCE as the debian default in wheezy |
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| 09:09.11 | Trewas | dizzylizzy: tasksel maintainer decided to change the default desktop task from gnome to xfce |
| 09:09.22 | `heliar | Hi, what should i install in my debian to live with adaptec aic-7902 ? |
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| 09:09.27 | dizzylizzy | ahh i see, yes, just read exactly that in an article |
| 09:09.35 | `heliar | I create hardware RAID 10 on BIOS, |
| 09:09.47 | `heliar | and system doesn't see this feature. |
| 09:09.55 | `heliar | Only sda, sdb, sdc, sdd... |
| 09:09.56 | thewanderer1 | dizzylizzy: this is not necessarily final, but quite likely |
| 09:10.36 | dizzylizzy | i'll be adamantly following the mailing list discussions |
| 09:10.37 | Iridos | !next |
| 09:10.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 09:10.40 | Iridos | there |
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| 09:11.27 | Rygrass | i trying to run a script in init.d as another user when it restarts comes up as root |
| 09:11.32 | Rygrass | how would i put it to that user |
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| 09:12.46 | tictacbum | marsje: did you have in mind it's udp traffic? |
| 09:13.59 | ChrisH | `heliar: These BIOS Raids most times need special kernel moduls to be loaded. I persoanally do not like these 'pseudo' raid controllers but prefer the straight forward approach of using md-utils. |
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| 09:17.00 | thewanderer1 | Rygrass: typically, the daemon/process itself would perform setuid(), according to some of its own configuration file. alternatively, try su... |
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| 09:22.51 | marsje | tictacbum: yes, I check for UDP traffic |
| 09:23.11 | marsje | tictacbum: sudo tcpdump -v udp and port 123 |
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| 09:31.23 | tictacbum | marsje: you can check with ntpq |
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| 09:31.53 | tictacbum | marsje: for example ntpq -c peers server |
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| 09:34.07 | marsje | tictacbum: yes, then I see something happening. But I guess something should happen when I don't type ntpq |
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| 09:34.56 | tictacbum | marsje: then your firewall is not blocking the traffic |
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| 09:39.57 | marsje | tictacbum: I'd think that the default config of ntpd would send/receive some ntp packets now and then... |
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| 09:42.30 | tictacbum | marsje: on my pc I can see traffic on 123 udp if I do /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
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| 09:43.28 | marsje | tictacbum: let me try that |
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| 10:14.40 | ChrisH | marsje: ntpq -p in case noone answered your Q |
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| 10:15.42 | dokma | I'm putting something into cron.hourly and the example has the runtime formula specified as N * * * * |
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| 10:15.53 | dokma | I've never seen an N in the runtime formula |
| 10:15.57 | dokma | is that correct? |
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| 10:20.29 | Skilz | Anyone know of a IP range port scanner that is capable of scanning a range of IP's for a specified open port? Say for example I want to look for an open port 22 on the range 192.168.0.1/255 |
| 10:21.35 | nkuttler | Skilz: nmap |
| 10:22.01 | Skilz | Nmap only allows me to scan one IP not a range |
| 10:22.12 | nkuttler | hm? sure it does |
| 10:22.42 | Woet | Skilz: nmap --help |
| 10:22.54 | Woet | and /255 is not a valid CIDR. |
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| 10:26.02 | ChrisH | nmap: from man page microsoft.com/24 <<- how does nmap recode that? lookup A-record for microsoft.com and scan the net it is in? |
| 10:26.26 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: yeah, it probably derives the network address from the host address |
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| 10:30.26 | kli0rf | hi |
| 10:30.58 | kli0rf | suppose i want to start a program remotely on x display 0.0 |
| 10:31.18 | kli0rf | i try DISPLAY=':0.0' iceweasel, for example |
| 10:31.34 | kli0rf | and i get No protocol specified, Error: cannot open display: :0.0 |
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| 10:32.12 | kli0rf | am i doing something wrong? |
| 10:32.19 | bzed | kli0rf: what is "remotely" |
| 10:32.27 | karmab | kli0rf, through ssh you mean? |
| 10:32.39 | kli0rf | yup, through ssh |
| 10:32.48 | bzed | kli0rf: just use ssh -X then |
| 10:32.52 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: do you want to see the output on the client, or on the target machine? |
| 10:33.06 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: on the target machine, of course |
| 10:33.19 | nkuttler | kli0rf: is X running on the remote box? works for me.. |
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| 10:33.38 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: is X running on the target? are you the user that has .Xauthority? |
| 10:33.40 | kli0rf | nkuttler: yup, X is running on the remote host |
| 10:33.56 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: yup, i'm the same user |
| 10:34.08 | karmab | nkuttler, you dont need X on the remote server! |
| 10:34.16 | ChrisH | kli0rf: test echo $DISPLAY on your start box, ssh -X remotebox ; echo $DISPLAY on remote should show a valid display number. typically >=10 |
| 10:34.18 | nkuttler | karmab: read again |
| 10:34.23 | karmab | nkuttler, kli0rf you only need xorg-xauth |
| 10:34.57 | babilen | karmab: If kli0rf wants the program to display *on the remote box* (s)he clearly needs X there. |
| 10:35.22 | kli0rf | babilen: he. and there is X on the remote box |
| 10:35.44 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: are you running GNOME? does .Xauthority exist? |
| 10:35.57 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: yup, i'm running gnome |
| 10:36.00 | babilen | kli0rf: Yeah -- I know. It is just that karmab thought that you want the program to be displayed on the locally. |
| 10:36.07 | thewanderer1 | you need an X authority file to run apps like that - some DMs and WMs as of recent have a bad practice of not creating that file |
| 10:36.18 | karmab | nkuttler, my bad,the machine on which your X program to be display obviously needs X. |
| 10:36.21 | thewanderer1 | so you'll have to create the .Xauthority file |
| 10:36.23 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: but no .Xauthority.. |
| 10:36.24 | kli0rf | hmm |
| 10:36.37 | thewanderer1 | now, I don't remember how to do that... anyone? :P |
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| 10:37.03 | karmab | thewanderer1, ssh should take care of that,as long as xauth package is installed |
| 10:37.39 | thewanderer1 | karmab: I believe it is up to the original script that started X to export the auth cookie to .Xauthority |
| 10:38.11 | thewanderer1 | if it didn't do that, then there's probably a way to export it manually using xauth, from the session that's runing on the remote host |
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| 10:38.40 | thewanderer1 | aha! |
| 10:38.45 | berarma | "xauth info" show the authority file |
| 10:38.49 | thewanderer1 | apparently, GDM does this: XAUTHORITY=/var/run/gdm3/auth-for-thewanderer-27aG60/database |
| 10:38.50 | berarma | shows* |
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| 10:39.19 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: find the related database file in /var/run/gdm*, and export the path as an environment variable, as shown above |
| 10:39.51 | karmab | kli0rf, xauth info || aptitude install xauth... is my proposition :) |
| 10:40.23 | kli0rf | karmab: yup, i have xauth package, and the output of the xauth info is: Authority file: /home/kadmin/.Xauthority |
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| 10:40.38 | kli0rf | but no .Xauthority file in /home/kadmin, though.. |
| 10:41.19 | karmab | kli0rf, so you need to enable X on the ssh server |
| 10:41.21 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: ok, you need to locate the file in /var/run/gdm3/ |
| 10:41.51 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: you may need root access for this, or you need to know the precise path, because the dir is not listable by default (for security reasons) |
| 10:41.52 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: auth-for-kadmin-bqhKlQ is this the file? |
| 10:42.02 | karmab | kli0rf, make sure you have X11Forwarding yes in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:42.05 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: this is the dir, should contain a "database" file |
| 10:42.11 | karmab | kli0rf, i believe you dont |
| 10:42.21 | thewanderer1 | karmab: this is not required nor related, really... |
| 10:42.43 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: now, export XAUTHORITY=$THAT_PATH and you should be good |
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| 10:43.06 | kli0rf | ok, let me try that |
| 10:43.13 | berarma | kli0rf: are you on Debian and which version? |
| 10:43.22 | kli0rf | berarma: squeeze |
| 10:44.21 | kli0rf | woohoo |
| 10:44.27 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: thank you! :) |
| 10:44.44 | kli0rf | and all the other, of course :) |
| 10:45.06 | berarma | the problem is that path will change from session to session |
| 10:45.19 | thewanderer1 | sure |
| 10:45.21 | karmab | kli0rf, dont thank me. looks like i was totally wrong on this one :) |
| 10:45.25 | berarma | the DM should set the path for you |
| 10:45.47 | thewanderer1 | the DM, unfortunately, only export a per-session env variable (which is passed only to child processes) |
| 10:46.31 | thewanderer1 | it used to write to .Xauthority file, now it uses a non-standard location... I'm sure there's a way to revert it to the old behaviour, or hack your DM's start scripts to write .Xauthority as well |
| 10:47.21 | berarma | but the DM should set the XAUTHORITY var to the right location |
| 10:47.37 | berarma | and "xauth info" should report it right to |
| 10:47.39 | kli0rf | so the content of thetdatabase file, in my case - /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-kadmin-bqhKlQ/database, should also reside in /home/kadmin/.Xauthority? |
| 10:47.39 | berarma | too* |
| 10:48.09 | kli0rf | *that database |
| 10:48.12 | thewanderer1 | berarma: you are correct, it did - but the scope of environment variables only makes it available locally, to the running session, and there is no way (other than ptrace()) to retrieve this value |
| 10:48.28 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: pretty much, yes |
| 10:48.34 | kli0rf | i see |
| 10:48.51 | berarma | I think it was a link before dissapearing |
| 10:49.02 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: there may be some scripts in /etc or /usr/share which govern starting GNOME - you should be able to hack those to do what you want |
| 10:49.22 | thewanderer1 | kli0rf: or, you know, you could start X yourself over SSH and have complete control that way :P |
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| 10:50.28 | kli0rf | thewanderer1: yup, i've been using xming with ssh x forwarding, but that's not the case |
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| 11:03.33 | dbelange | I think I broke some dependencies pretty badly; anyone willing to lower themselves to tech support? |
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| 11:05.49 | smv | is there a standard for btrfs subvolumes schema? |
| 11:06.30 | fleeky | question , trying to install the kernel headers and source for wheezy |
| 11:06.38 | fleeky | but the headers want gcc 4.6 and source 4.7 ?? |
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| 11:12.49 | ksuhku | dbelange, so what did you do? |
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| 11:13.33 | Mohsen_Hassani | rfkill list does not list anything for me. |
| 11:15.00 | johndo | is there any way to see why a package has been removed from debian? |
| 11:15.00 | dbelange | I somehow got the newer python out of wheezy without updating the things that depend on it |
| 11:15.27 | dbelange | and the usual "-f install" isn't doing the job |
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| 11:17.20 | Kvaks | Possibly stupid question: When editing a crontab with crontab -e and saving, where is the actual crontab finally stored? I can't find it in ~ nor in /etc/cron*. It's stored somwhere, though, since it's there when running crontab -e again. |
| 11:17.25 | ksuhku | Mohsen_Hassani, what does sudo iwconfig say? |
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| 11:18.07 | marsje | tictacbum: I did aptitude purge ntp %% aptitude install ntp and all of a sudden ntp is working... no idea what was the problem |
| 11:18.11 | SPF | Kvaks: /var/spool/cron |
| 11:18.25 | ksuhku | Kvaks, that's listed in the manual page in the files section |
| 11:18.45 | Mohsen_Hassani | ksuhku, lo no wireless extensions; eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 11:18.56 | johndo | or is there any replacement for the tsclient package? |
| 11:19.21 | ksuhku | Mohsen_Hassani, so do you still have wireless or what is the problem? |
| 11:19.23 | Kvaks | Thanks. Ah, yes, RTFM I should've. |
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| 11:20.16 | Mohsen_Hassani | ksuhku, The light on my laptop which indicates the on/off status of wireless is not either working! |
| 11:20.19 | dbelange | So, how does one roll-back a version in apt-get? |
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| 11:20.44 | Mohsen_Hassani | ksuhku, When I hold fn+F3 for turning wireless on/off, the light is not turning on. |
| 11:20.58 | extrasolar | what laptop? |
| 11:21.06 | ksuhku | Mohsen_Hassani, does the light work for sure? |
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| 11:21.18 | Mohsen_Hassani | Acer Aspire 5755G |
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| 11:21.42 | Mohsen_Hassani | ksuhku, I haven't tested it any where else; As soon as I bought it, I installed Debian on it. |
| 11:22.04 | extrasolar | i have an acerp aspire 5742 and when i press fn+left the brightness should fade and it doesn't |
| 11:22.08 | tictacbum | marsje: maybe the config file |
| 11:22.15 | extrasolar | same happens on ubuntu too |
| 11:22.30 | extrasolar | those sorts of controls are an ongoing problem |
| 11:23.17 | Mohsen_Hassani | extrasolar, I know how to solve the problem I guess for fade in/out the brightness, I have tested on my HP Laptop; I'll help you later with that ;) |
| 11:23.44 | extrasolar | cheers |
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| 11:27.47 | Mohsen_Hassani | extrasolar, For solving the backlight brightness problem, got to /etc/default/grub and edit the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to: |
| 11:27.48 | Mohsen_Hassani | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor splash" |
| 11:27.48 | Mohsen_Hassani | And then: |
| 11:27.48 | Mohsen_Hassani | update-grub2 |
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| 11:28.23 | Mohsen_Hassani | And then reboot ;) |
| 11:28.42 | Mohsen_Hassani | extrasolar, Did you get my message? I think I got disconnected |
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| 11:30.21 | Mohsen_Hassani | extrasolar, For solving the backlight brightness problem, got to /etc/default/grub and edit the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to: |
| 11:30.22 | Mohsen_Hassani | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor splash" |
| 11:30.22 | Mohsen_Hassani | And then: |
| 11:30.22 | Mohsen_Hassani | update-grub2 |
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| 11:31.26 | aguitel | how configure firewall in kde? |
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| 11:32.11 | Sm0ke0ut | dunno. I always use cli/iptables |
| 11:33.37 | aguitel | Sm0ke0ut, how i know if it is on or off ? |
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| 11:34.19 | Calinou | aguitel, you know routers have NAT? |
| 11:34.28 | Calinou | you don't need a firewall 99% of the time unless you have some alien router |
| 11:34.41 | Sm0ke0ut | NAT is not the same as a firewall |
| 11:35.05 | marsje | tictacbum: I think my ntp.conf was pretty much the default config |
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| 11:36.14 | marsje | tictacbum: just checked, it was... so it must have been something else. There was no error in the syslog either... |
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| 11:39.04 | ChrisH | marsje: still ntp issues? If yes, can ypu pastebin ntp.conf and ntpq -p output? |
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| 11:58.27 | innociv_ | http://pastebin.com/X8EVpZwS Can anyone tell me why this monit config doesn't work? The program isn't being stopped, when I see the pidid matching what's in the pidfile of the program that's using too much cpu. It's a node script that's started with forever --pidFile |
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| 12:00.46 | dsirijus | in what package is ps aux command? |
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| 12:01.42 | nkuttler | !tell dsirijus about search |
| 12:02.07 | dsirijus | did apt-cache search |
| 12:02.08 | dsirijus | but |
| 12:02.28 | dsirijus | it seems it ain't problem with that, there is 'ps', it's only that 'sudo ps' comes to issues with it |
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| 12:04.31 | tictacbum | dsirijus: dpkg -S /bin/ps ---> procps: /bin/ps |
| 12:05.05 | marsje | ChrisH: I did aptitude purge ntp && aptitude install ntp and that fixed my problems.. not sure why as the conf file was same as the default |
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| 12:06.09 | woshty | could someone please tell me, what those rt kernels are for? studio audio playback or responsive workstation? |
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| 12:13.02 | abrotman | woshty: don't they have a description ? |
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| 12:15.42 | dsirijus | if i just run startx after the login, it starts x just fine. but if i put it in .bashrc, i get a fatal error that it's already running on display 0 |
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| 12:16.01 | woshty | abrotman: nope, nothing helpful .. but it seems i do not want rt in a regular workstation (currently watching a video explaining rt ..) |
| 12:16.05 | dsirijus | or display 1 if i do 'startx --:1' instead of just startx |
| 12:16.53 | abrotman | dpkg: tell woshty about rt |
| 12:16.53 | Iridos | err... you plan to run no shells (i.e. in xterminals) inside the X server then? |
| 12:17.05 | skilz_ | After selecting Debian in grub, my system boots the runlevels like normal with a nice easy to read boldish looking font, but, just before it shows the login prompt, the screen flashes then the font changes to a more thin harder to read font. How do I make the orginal font stay so it doesn't change please? |
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| 12:17.57 | dsirijus | Iridos, that last line intended for me? |
| 12:18.06 | Iridos | yes :) |
| 12:18.11 | skilz_ | The original font looks more oldschool unixish. |
| 12:18.12 | Iridos | skilz_, I guess that's kms |
| 12:18.15 | Iridos | dpkg, kms |
| 12:18.15 | dpkg | Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 12:18.23 | skilz_ | Like the BSD font. |
| 12:18.39 | dsirijus | Iridos, i don't follow then :) |
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| 12:19.07 | dsirijus | i plan to run plenty of urxvts in there, with i3 or some other tiling window maanager |
| 12:19.18 | Iridos | dsirijus, .bashrc is executed by every shell you open... independent of the error you get, it's not a good idea to put startx into it |
| 12:19.23 | skilz_ | Iridos: So what exactly am I looking for to change? |
| 12:19.25 | dsirijus | ahaaa |
| 12:19.39 | dsirijus | Iridos, where then? .profile? |
| 12:19.39 | Iridos | skilz_, look at the factoid from the dpkg bot above |
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| 12:19.51 | Iridos | neither |
| 12:19.59 | skilz_ | Iridos: The url? |
| 12:20.03 | dsirijus | lol... where then? |
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| 12:20.48 | woshty | abrotman: thx, i knew that already :) i simply wasnt sure how rt vs general speed rt is. |
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| 12:21.07 | Iridos | depends what you want to accomplish... if you want autologin, that can be done via a login manager... or I guess might be possible via crons @reboot (not sure if that comes late enough that everything needed is started already, though) |
| 12:21.10 | Iridos | dpkg, autologin |
| 12:21.10 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) |
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| 12:21.29 | dsirijus | Iridos, i've put autologin in /etc/inittab |
| 12:21.36 | dsirijus | and iget autologged in just fine |
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| 12:21.44 | dsirijus | now just to get x after the login |
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| 12:22.06 | Iridos | see the factoid... gdm has an option to autologin a certain user, so does kdm |
| 12:22.26 | Iridos | and that is "graphical autologin" |
| 12:22.39 | dsirijus | sounds like an overkill to run a single command when i get logged in |
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| 12:23.45 | Iridos | sounds like overkill to spend a lot of time to try stuff that doesn't work to me :P |
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| 12:24.17 | skilz_ | Iridos: Still not sure what im looking for |
| 12:24.32 | dsirijus | i just need this superlight, as it is dev image in vbox on not-so-powerful PC |
| 12:25.02 | Iridos | skilz_, in this line: <dpkg> Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) has graphical modes initialized by the Linux kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent, introduced in Linux 2.6.29. Enabled via modprobe as of xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.9.1-2 and xserver-xorg-video-radeon 1:6.12.192-2. To disable, edit /etc/modprobe.d/{i915,radeon}-kms.conf ------>>or boot with the 'nomodeset' kernel command line parameter.<------- http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 12:25.02 | afsal | how to build debian from scratch |
| 12:25.18 | Iridos | dsirijus, I haven't tried if that works, though |
| 12:25.28 | Iridos | (note arrows) |
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| 12:27.54 | Skilz | Iridos: So can I change 'options radeon modeset=1' to =nomodeset? |
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| 12:28.35 | ksuhku | afsal, rename yourself to 'Ian' and go search for 'Deb' |
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| 12:29.39 | dsirijus | Iridos, i've put 'startx' in /etc/profile |
| 12:29.42 | dsirijus | seems to work ok |
| 12:29.48 | dsirijus | i don't know the downsides of it though |
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| 12:30.53 | afsal | ksuhku, plz visit this page "http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040524" what it means |
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| 12:34.01 | alkisg | dsirijus: you can also run `su - username -c 'xinit -- your-session-script'` from inittab |
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| 12:34.27 | dark-sun | any idea how can I install this package? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/nautilus-gksu, i have no idea why it's not in my synaptic |
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| 12:35.12 | dark-sun | my repository is set on wheezy |
| 12:35.33 | aguitel | dark-sun, not wheezy package |
| 12:35.41 | dark-sun | :( |
| 12:35.46 | dark-sun | why? |
| 12:35.56 | dark-sun | i can't install it? |
| 12:35.59 | aguitel | ask developers |
| 12:36.08 | dark-sun | i hate them |
| 12:36.13 | dark-sun | X( |
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| 12:36.37 | Iridos | dsirijus, now all login shells try to run it |
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| 12:37.25 | Iridos | judd, versions nautilus-gksu |
| 12:37.26 | ksuhku | afsal, that's something very old |
| 12:37.26 | judd | Package: nautilus-gksu on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0-8; squeeze: 2.0.2-5 |
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| 12:37.47 | ksuhku | afsal, seen these? http://web.archive.org/web/20040604114342/http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/html/ |
| 12:37.49 | Iridos | dpkg, why is nautilus-gksu not in testing |
| 12:37.50 | dpkg | nautilus-gksu is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=nautilus-gksu |
| 12:38.23 | dark-sun | i like old stuff, gnome 3 always crashes, why they denied it? they enjoy crashes? |
| 12:38.34 | ceil | i like old stuff, too |
| 12:38.37 | ceil | e16 > e17! |
| 12:38.40 | danfrincu | hello folks, quick question, I have some packages that I want to upgrade, atm I upgrade them by running apt-cache policy packagename,get the latest version and do a apt-get install packagename=version |
| 12:38.55 | danfrincu | any other way to upgrade just a list of packages, with less hassle? |
| 12:38.58 | Iridos | if you like old stuff and don't like crashes, why don't you run squeeze? |
| 12:39.03 | ceil | danfrincu: apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:39.09 | ceil | Iridos: i do :D |
| 12:39.16 | danfrincu | ceil: I don't want toupgrade everything on the system |
| 12:39.17 | ceil | (dunno about d-s) |
| 12:39.34 | ceil | danfrincu: oh. didn't know you couldn't specify packages with upgrade; never tried it :x |
| 12:39.52 | danfrincu | ceil: upgrade doesn't take parameters, I tried |
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| 12:40.04 | danfrincu | oh well, back to apt-cache it is then |
| 12:40.12 | Iridos | ceil, not you! <dark-sun> my repository is set on wheezy |
| 12:40.19 | Ironhand | what is the suggested way to set up an encrypted filesystem (in this case /home) on Debian Wheezy? googling it leads to various howtos suggesting different approaches and I'd like to know which one is the "most supported" |
| 12:40.28 | KsM | what's the best program for auto mounting USBs/dvds/cds/removable hard drives/etc. |
| 12:40.38 | alkisg | danfrincu: I think `apt-get install packages` without a version specified, updates them to the latest version |
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| 12:40.49 | abrotman | !tell KsM about automount |
| 12:40.56 | dark-sun | killed himself... |
| 12:41.06 | danfrincu | alkisg: nope |
| 12:41.38 | intgr | Hi! Is there a command-line program to automatically uninstall old kernel packages? |
| 12:41.51 | ksuhku | nope |
| 12:42.27 | intgr | I have a dozen virtual machines and they tend to accumulate lots of kernels, which adds up in disk usage. |
| 12:42.33 | ksuhku | yeah |
| 12:42.46 | alkisg | danfrincu: it does for me... http://paste.debian.net/182909/ |
| 12:42.46 | intgr | :/ |
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| 12:44.13 | thewanderer1 | intgr: well, you could easily ask dpkg for a --list of all installed packages that match a pattern, then compare that to uname -r, and work from here (as a bash script or similar) |
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| 12:44.41 | intgr | Well I was hoping that someone has already written that script and contributed a package. :) |
| 12:45.09 | danfrincu | alkisg: what version of apt, mine's 0.8.10.3+squeeze1 |
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| 12:46.26 | Iridos | intgr, for such a small thing? |
| 12:46.31 | KsM | also: http://paste.debian.net/plain/182910 |
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| 12:46.52 | KsM | I only have one CD drive on my laptop, so what would be causing that |
| 12:46.53 | ksuhku | Iridos, it's a fairly common complaint |
| 12:46.54 | UltraMC | How to install this package: "kdesdk" (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kdesdk)? |
| 12:47.03 | alkisg | danfrincu: brb, lunch... |
| 12:47.06 | intgr | Iridos: I've seen machines where /lib/modules takes up over a gigabyte |
| 12:47.13 | Iridos | it's also impossible to guess what the person really wants to remove and consequences if you remove needed images are bad |
| 12:47.20 | intgr | Because of all the kernels installed |
| 12:47.44 | ksuhku | that just means the script can't be dead simple |
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| 12:48.06 | intgr | (1) don't remove running kernel (2) don't remove 2 latest kernels (default and fallback) |
| 12:48.07 | Iridos | you mean the script gotta have psychic powers built in... |
| 12:48.08 | nkuttler | intgr: a gigabyte isn't that much. maybe 8-10 kernels |
| 12:48.21 | ksuhku | or ask the user alternatively |
| 12:48.35 | intgr | Yes |
| 12:48.43 | KsM | 08:47.35 < intgr> (1) don't remove running kernel (2) don't remove 2 latest kernels (default and fallback) |
| 12:48.46 | yousafse | hi everyone, i am new to debian, in fact new to Linux. I have got a dedicated server with Debian 6 + Plesk on it. Wondering what steps I should take to make sure the box is secure |
| 12:48.54 | yousafse | Would appreciate your help |
| 12:48.57 | KsM | er, I only keep two kernels out of the 8 or so I've installed so far |
| 12:49.02 | nkuttler | !tell yousafse about plesk |
| 12:49.07 | Iridos | well... the dead simple variant is ... "apt-get remove linux-image*" ... note how this is kind of not-so-very-safe :P |
| 12:49.18 | ksuhku | :) |
| 12:49.18 | bzed | yousafse: heh. start with removing plesk I would say. |
| 12:49.26 | ksuhku | rm -rf / would work also |
| 12:49.37 | nkuttler | !ops < ksuhku> rm -rf / would work also |
| 12:49.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: nkuttler complains about: < ksuhku> rm -rf / would work also |
| 12:49.56 | ksuhku | lol? |
| 12:50.02 | yousafse | bzed i don't like plesk but is is a neccasisty at the moment because I don't know much about servers |
| 12:50.09 | nevyn | waits for that grin to turn upside down. |
| 12:50.10 | themill | ksuhku: don't do that... |
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| 12:50.32 | GiBa | hi |
| 12:50.40 | UltraMC | yousafse I have dedic too and am new in Linux (like 3 months). What you want to do for sure is: change default ports of services like APACHE (80), SSH (22), FTP, SFTP, VNC /// you want to have user created and never login to root (only if you HAVE to), and use "su username" for gaining part-time root powers |
| 12:50.43 | abrotman | ksuhku: please don't suggest people do harmful things to their box, you don'tk now that they will recognize it as harmful. Please take a timeout |
| 12:50.47 | GiBa | i want to make a vm server |
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| 12:50.52 | kesroesweyth | ksuhku I don't expect that everyone would know you were kidding about that. |
| 12:50.57 | intgr | ksuhku: Too late, I rooted your box and ran that ;) |
| 12:51.01 | afsal | ksuhku, where i download dfs cd |
| 12:51.08 | GiBa | is there something for debian with web based admin that any of you can recommend? |
| 12:51.17 | bzed | GiBa: no. |
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| 12:51.26 | GiBa | ok |
| 12:51.27 | abrotman | GiBa: i think the only one in Debian is dtc, not sure how well it works |
| 12:51.35 | UltraMC | yousafse: connect with dedic only width SSH and send files only width SFTP |
| 12:51.38 | GiBa | lets go back to xen-tools then |
| 12:51.38 | nkuttler | !tell GiBa about free whcp |
| 12:52.02 | UltraMC | yousafe: get a strong passwords, get a firewall, know ip tables |
| 12:52.33 | UltraMC | GiBa: Damn Small Linux width APACHE |
| 12:52.33 | GiBa | lets see, thanks nkuttler |
| 12:52.34 | GiBa | ! |
| 12:52.37 | KsM | All I do is use SSH keys and run everything througgh ssh |
| 12:52.42 | nkuttler | yousafse: don't use passwords for auth, see the securing debian manual |
| 12:52.54 | UltraMC | How to install this package: "kdesdk" (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/kdesdk)? |
| 12:52.56 | GiBa | vya! |
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| 12:53.00 | yousafse | key files? |
| 12:53.08 | nkuttler | ,versions kdesdk |
| 12:53.10 | judd | Package: kdesdk on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.8.4-2; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2 |
| 12:53.24 | nkuttler | UltraMC: this specific version? or just the package? |
| 12:53.33 | UltraMC | yousafse: key files are "badges" that your box is wearing, if you connect than you dont have to type password coz dedic is seeing you are cool admin guy |
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| 12:54.06 | UltraMC | nkuttler: its for newset kde for debian squeeze, the thing is its on packages list, Ive isntalled all but this one "seems to not exist" |
| 12:54.11 | UltraMC | newest* |
| 12:54.33 | nkuttler | !tell UltraMC about errors |
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| 12:55.05 | yousafse | nkuttler on average how long would an average seasoned debian administrator need to secure a box? |
| 12:55.37 | nkuttler | yousafse: depends what kind of services you are running, who you expect to connect etc. |
| 12:55.38 | UltraMC | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/182911/ |
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| 12:56.04 | fas3r | hello |
| 12:56.05 | UltraMC | yousafe securing is daily basis |
| 12:56.22 | UltraMC | yousafse: its like securing it and than trying to break it hardly to make it even more secure and again |
| 12:56.25 | fas3r | can I specify a unique FS to be check with the command : shutdown -rF now ? |
| 12:56.35 | jelly | yousafse: about 4-8 hours at $200/hr for the initial setup of packaged-only-software without any php |
| 12:56.36 | nkuttler | UltraMC: hm, also your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:57.08 | nkuttler | UltraMC: it's in all releases http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kdesdk |
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| 12:57.19 | Iridos | actually I never tried that... just trying to remove all kernels *might* work, as the packaging system *might* actually refuse to remove the current one... pity I don't have access to my debian box here to try :P |
| 12:57.39 | yousafse | nkuttler I need latest version of PHP, MySQL, Redis, Node, Bind. PHP needs to be compiled with CURL, PDO and MCRYPT on top of the norm. That is it |
| 12:57.39 | UltraMC | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/182912/ |
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| 12:58.09 | yousafse | UltraMC I agree but right now I need to get the basic security in place, that is critical for me right now. |
| 12:58.10 | nkuttler | UltraMC: well you only have CD and security sources |
| 12:58.14 | nkuttler | !tell UltraMC about sources.list |
| 12:58.27 | UltraMC | nkuttler: thank you |
| 12:58.30 | nkuttler | UltraMC: np |
| 12:58.54 | nkuttler | yousafse: sounds like 1.5-2 days |
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| 12:59.11 | UltraMC | yousafse: when it comes to installing PHP and MySQL it boils down to reading security notes of their instructions - out of box installs are not perfectly tailored for security IMO |
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| 12:59.48 | UltraMC | yousafe: but the BIGGEST security issue in PHP are bad scripts |
| 13:00.01 | nkuttler | indeed. and security is a process, ongoing |
| 13:00.27 | UltraMC | yousafse: are you building hosting company? :D |
| 13:00.33 | nkuttler | especially as you don't want to use the packaged nodejs |
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| 13:01.31 | yousafse | UltraMC no I just need a server for my application |
| 13:01.59 | UltraMC | yousafse: is this application has users input? |
| 13:02.24 | yousafse | what exactly do you mean? |
| 13:02.25 | nkuttler | yousafse: oh you probably don't want to run your own bind then |
| 13:02.33 | UltraMC | yousafse: yousafe do you know PHP and MySQL? |
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| 13:02.37 | yousafse | nkuttler why? |
| 13:02.43 | yousafse | UltraMC yes |
| 13:02.43 | nkuttler | yousafse: why would you? |
| 13:03.26 | yousafse | nkuttler I am not sure, my developer said those are the requirements |
| 13:03.37 | UltraMC | yousafse: than secure user input like <input> with data filtration and secure against MySQL injection. Start it, do everyday backups and watch it rolling. |
| 13:03.54 | bzed | yousafse: if you have no idea on how to run a server, go to a hosting company which does that job for you. its cheaper at the end :) |
| 13:04.00 | nkuttler | yousafse: can't your developer configure the box for you? |
| 13:04.40 | yousafse | bzed i agree but I opted in for hetzner.de dedicated server, tbh you can't get a better anywhere else. |
| 13:05.06 | UltraMC | yousafse: yeah, in the end I would buy in OVH.com with cronjobs and maybe PrivateMySQL services, they have all thing set up and secure. |
| 13:05.08 | yousafse | nkuttler he can but he is concerned about the security side of things |
| 13:05.31 | bzed | yousafse: if you have no idea how to adminstrate it, it will be cheaper for you at the end if you leave that work to somebody else and pay a bit more |
| 13:05.32 | nkuttler | gosh, and you want him to develop a website for you? hmmm... |
| 13:05.40 | UltraMC | yousafse: if you go dedic you need to config it yourself. The cheapest I know are: webtropia.de and kimsufi.com |
| 13:06.10 | yousafse | nkuttler, he is an awesome php developer, he has proven his skillset but he is not a linux admin |
| 13:06.26 | UltraMC | nkuttler, yousafse Im a web developer and my customers have free hosting and security service for free xD |
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| 13:06.40 | yousafse | bzed tbh i need to hire someone to configure the server right now |
| 13:06.57 | UltraMC | free hosting for free LOL my english rox |
| 13:07.00 | bzed | yousafse: there is a longish list of consultants on www.debian.org |
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| 13:07.31 | optraz | anyone has any idea how to create multiple realms in kerberos? |
| 13:07.56 | yousafse | UltraMC people are different, the guy has built me an awesome scalable crawler. It can handle millions of URLs, I can't complain if he says he is not a linux admin. |
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| 13:08.45 | bzed | yousafse: http://www.debian.org/consultants/#DE |
| 13:09.05 | UltraMC | yousafse: I dont want to be rude, but if person developing scalable crawler and know shit about hosting than its not scalable |
| 13:09.33 | UltraMC | yousafse: can I see that crawler pl0x xD |
| 13:09.49 | Ironhand | does anyone know of a howto or other helpful document with pointers on how to set up Debian in a Knoppix-like way, say on a USB flash drive? I like the idea of Knoppix but would like a solution that's a bit more like vanilla Debian |
| 13:09.59 | dbelange | Anyone know how to change the version of a to-be-installed package in apt-get? |
| 13:10.09 | UltraMC | Ironhand: I know, its in debian manual, let me find it. |
| 13:10.25 | UltraMC | Ironhand: in the meanwhile: find about DSL (Damn Small Linux) |
| 13:10.41 | Ironhand | (I know how to install Debian on a USB drive, I'm talking about the specifics of making the system deal well with booting on systems with wildly varying hardware configurations) |
| 13:10.51 | dkr | Ironhand: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 13:10.59 | Iridos | Ironhand, there's a debian live cd... and it has usb images IIRC |
| 13:11.10 | Iridos | dkr, unfair, you typed less |
| 13:11.13 | dkr | ;) |
| 13:11.41 | UltraMC | Ironhand: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 13:11.46 | Ironhand | dkr / Iridos: do you know if that livecd is aimed at being purely read-only? as I would like to set it up in a way that takes advantage of the writability of the flash drive |
| 13:12.03 | Iridos | dpkg, debian-live |
| 13:12.03 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 13:12.10 | UltraMC | Ironhand: than you want to know Damn Small Linux or Puppy Linux ;DDD |
| 13:12.22 | Iridos | Ironhand, ^^^ I don't know, maybe someone else, but it also got it's own irc channel on oftc |
| 13:12.22 | dkr | Ironhand: that's the point of a live "cd". |
| 13:13.13 | yousafse | UltraMC, you will see there crawler as soon as I configure the server lol |
| 13:13.21 | Ironhand | ok, maybe my initial explanation was a bit confusing... what I'm looking to accomplish is a way to install Debian on a flash drive that will allow me to use it as a rescue system, but I'd also like to be able to apt-get install packages when I need them, store settings/data persistently, etc |
| 13:13.45 | Iridos | dkr, might be configurable, though to use stuff from the stick directly? I have no idea, don't use live-cds much |
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| 13:14.17 | Ironhand | I know of Damn Small Linux or Puppy Linux but I'd really like to do it using a current Debian release to use the exact versions/setup of software that I'm already familiar with |
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| 13:14.39 | thewanderer1 | Ironhand: read the Debian-Live manual, it should have information about data persistency |
| 13:14.55 | Iridos | Iridos, booting an i386 kernel should work anywhere (on the correct hardware) these days... only thing that still might need tweaking is X |
| 13:14.55 | UltraMC | Ironhand: you can install any Linux on USB and boot it normally. Make sure your USB has second partition to be used as "disc" and you are ready to go. |
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| 13:15.03 | dkr | Ironhand: ah, so basically a minimal install on the flash drive. don't see why a regular net install couldn't do that |
| 13:15.04 | Ironhand | also, size is not really a problem as I can reserve about 4 GB on my flash drive for the root partition |
| 13:15.41 | Ironhand | I'm mostly worried about how it would deal with hardware changing completely between "reboots" if I just do a minimalistic install |
| 13:15.55 | thewanderer1 | Ironhand: I can give you a link to a very hackish package that replaces your initramfs so that you can boot to RAM |
| 13:16.04 | Iridos | X is also fully "autodetected" these days.... but the percentage that actually works... well, I dunno |
| 13:16.20 | UltraMC | Ironhand: dont worry, use Live CD image as your installation, it will detect drivers for you |
| 13:16.25 | dkr | Ironhand: good point. so maybe the persistency otions of debian live are what you want, since live is what gets youthe hardware flexibility |
| 13:16.25 | Ironhand | I know for example if I change network cards in Debian it leads to having an eth1, then eth2, eth3, etc |
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| 13:16.46 | UltraMC | Ironhand: than you reconfigure eth ;D |
| 13:16.50 | UltraMC | kk I gtg cya all |
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| 13:16.57 | Ironhand | thewanderer1: thanks for the offer, but "very hackish" is not the kind of thing I'm looking for here... |
| 13:16.59 | Iridos | but that's actually a consequence of persistance... |
| 13:17.26 | Iridos | dpkg, 70 |
| 13:17.26 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 13:17.27 | nsadmin | is it still true that things like flash drives take damage (at least at an increased rate) when written to? |
| 13:17.27 | thewanderer1 | Ironhand: OK. I use a simple "mount tmpfs and copy rootfs over" approach for my home server, works well for me :P |
| 13:17.28 | dkr | just a little bit of eating and you still have some cake left, though! ;) |
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| 13:17.34 | Iridos | Ironhand, ^^^ |
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| 13:17.47 | thewanderer1 | (and if I need to store what I have come up with: cp -ax /* /mnt/usbstick) |
| 13:17.49 | Ironhand | I guess I'll have a closer look at how the debian Live CD "does things" and then figure out if I can use parts of that in a minimal normal install |
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| 13:18.19 | Ironhand | Iridos: thanks, I'll have a good look at that, sounds useful |
| 13:18.44 | Iridos | nsadmin, always... but number of writes before failure has increased by something between one and three orders of magnitude, so it's not so much of a problem anymore |
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| 13:19.27 | Iridos | nsadmin, although I think journaling filesystems can still be a problem as they have lots of writes on a limited amount of sectors |
| 13:19.51 | Papa | heloooo guys i downloaded debian 6.0.5. amd 64 cd iso 1 i installed it but don't have any graphical desktop environment? |
| 13:19.57 | Ironhand | is there a particular Debian kernel release that's recommended for maximum compatibility with newer hardware without being extremely experimental? |
| 13:20.05 | nsadmin | would you say that in some cases #writes before fail exceeds #reads? |
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| 13:20.18 | Iridos | Ironhand, there's a 3.x kernel in backports |
| 13:20.20 | thewanderer1 | Ironhand: 3.2.0 or as close to it as you can get |
| 13:20.25 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 13:20.26 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 13:20.45 | Iridos | right 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
| 13:20.52 | Ironhand | thanks :-) |
| 13:20.54 | nsadmin | what cpu? |
| 13:20.55 | kromagg | I'm wondering if anyone can verify that you can't really run the xen-3.2 hypervisor in squeeze, even though it appears to be in the archives? |
| 13:21.30 | kromagg | uh d'oh, it's not in the archives, that explains it :) |
| 13:21.45 | babilen | Papa: You have to select "Desktop Environment" in the tasksel step of the installation, but CD1 does not include everything that is needed to install Gnome. That shouldn't be a problem though as you can easily install Gnome and X by yourself. Do you have internet access on that box right now? |
| 13:21.49 | nsadmin | kromagg, it's kinda hard to prove a negative |
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| 13:22.25 | Papa | i have internet acces but i cannot find pppoeconf to set up th connection |
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| 13:22.38 | Iridos | nsadmin, not... there's NO freakin huge dinosaurs in this room |
| 13:23.01 | kromagg | nsadmin: yeah thanks, silly question, should've looked at apt-cache output more closely |
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| 13:23.47 | abrotman | Papa: can't find itas a package or a binary? |
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| 13:28.09 | alex88 | hi guys, i'm trying to install usvn, and i get error when it tries to use "ls --xml" is the xml option deprecated? |
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| 13:29.23 | nsadmin | isn't ls in fileutils? |
| 13:29.43 | nkuttler | coreutils |
| 13:30.04 | ceil | 'xml' isn't in my ls's man page :o |
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| 13:30.16 | nkuttler | oh wait, weren't fileutils and coreutils merged or something? |
| 13:30.18 | nsadmin | so I tried it in squeeze, no such option |
| 13:30.30 | themill | that will be "svn ls" |
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| 13:30.40 | nsadmin | nkuttler, that's one thing you're implying |
| 13:30.44 | nkuttler | ceil: gnu stuff comes with info pages |
| 13:31.13 | nsadmin | mostly info pages are better contentwise for gnu stuff |
| 13:31.44 | alex88 | nsadmin, nkuttler it says unknown option for me.. |
| 13:31.57 | nsadmin | right, same here... |
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| 13:32.24 | nsadmin | now I've never heard of --xml for ls... when was the last time you used it, and on what os? |
| 13:32.26 | nkuttler | alex88: svn help ls |
| 13:32.31 | nkuttler | he's talking about svn ls |
| 13:32.40 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 13:33.24 | alex88 | nkuttler, let me try with svn ls |
| 13:33.33 | nsadmin | and it's broken |
| 13:34.45 | nsadmin | svn ls --xml is broken in that if errors are thrown, it doesn't close tags |
| 13:35.38 | nsadmin | and in the particular case of "not in working copy", it starts outputting tags, and it shouldn't do that... on top of which the tags are not closed |
| 13:35.43 | alex88 | because i'm trying to run usvn and i get "String could not be parsed as XML" i've read that can be also the problem |
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| 13:38.43 | alex88 | oh, just seen that there are warnings like warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale in string |
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| 13:45.39 | gnarface | so i had this package lib32cudart4 |
| 13:45.40 | gnarface | its gone now |
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| 13:46.23 | gnarface | presumably replaced my multiarch and the ability to install libcudart4:amd64 and libcudart4:i386 in parallel.... but i cannot figure out how to do this without gutting gcc |
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| 13:48.22 | woshty | grub2 in wheezy doesnt wait for any input .. where do I set timeout? |
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| 13:50.45 | nsadmin | maybe /etc/default/grub |
| 13:51.13 | nsadmin | or grub2... and after changing that, you'd have to run update-grub2 |
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| 13:51.31 | kesroesweyth | Is anyone familiar with sending keystrokes to an existing screen session? |
| 13:51.55 | nsadmin | you could just attach to it and type something |
| 13:52.07 | nsadmin | other than that, not familiar |
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| 13:52.12 | woshty | it says timeout 5 .. strange .. |
| 13:52.36 | kesroesweyth | nsadmin I want to script that process. |
| 13:53.08 | nsadmin | why does it have to be a screen session? |
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| 13:53.30 | optraz | how to check locally if that host is listen on port 80? |
| 13:53.54 | nsadmin | optraz, man netstat |
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| 13:55.04 | woshty | it just flashes the menu and after that directly starts the default .. |
| 13:55.22 | nsadmin | kesroesweyth, take a step or so back, start from what you actually want to accomplish and see if there are other ways of doing the same thing |
| 13:55.43 | nsadmin | do you want to change the default? |
| 13:55.48 | nsadmin | woshty |
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| 13:56.52 | nsadmin | my timeout is 5 too... did you run update-grub? |
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| 13:57.43 | kesroesweyth | nsadmin well I run a Minecraft server inside of a screen session and that has it's own console which accepts server commands. I'd like to script the input of keystrokes to that server console. A step back would be not using screen? |
| 13:58.19 | Papa | hello guys i managed to set up debian base but i cannot install anything i cannot set up my adsl pppoe connection in debian any help!! |
| 14:00.00 | Papa | i cannot find pppoeconf package in debain 6.0.5 amd 64 cd 1 ny help!! |
| 14:00.55 | BtbN | kesroesweyth: just read the screen manpage, -X |
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| 14:01.24 | kesroesweyth | BtbN I have, and either I'm not understanding it (most likely), or it only describes sending screen commands to screen, not inputting keystrokes. |
| 14:01.38 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: You can send keystrokes with -X stuff 'blah blah' |
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| 14:01.43 | kesroesweyth | I did read a bit about the 'stuff' command, but I can't figure it out. |
| 14:01.53 | kesroesweyth | Okay, it sounds like I'm on the right track. I'll keep trying. |
| 14:02.15 | BtbN | "Stuff the string string in the input buffer of the current window." |
| 14:02.20 | BtbN | sounds exactly like what you want |
| 14:02.24 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: screen -x <name> -X stuff 'input to send', is most likely what you want. -x lets you refer to a named session |
| 14:02.26 | babilen | Papa: It is not on CD1, but on CD26 (or BD1, DLBD-1, DVD5) -- The installer does, however, support PPPoE and you might want to install it during the installation. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds05.html for details. |
| 14:02.33 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: Naming your screen session makes your life a lot easier. |
| 14:02.39 | kesroesweyth | It is named. |
| 14:02.56 | babilen | Papa: You can probably also just download the necessary packages manually and install them by hand -- No idea how tricky that'll be due to dependencies though. |
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| 14:03.18 | Papa | hey i tried live cd also debian 6.0.4 but it says grub installation failed what do ? |
| 14:03.21 | nsadmin | kesroesweyth, what had you start using screen for this in the first place? |
| 14:03.47 | kesroesweyth | nsadmin so I can attach to the server console from anywhere. |
| 14:03.56 | nsadmin | aha |
| 14:04.07 | nsadmin | so now, you have a new requirement |
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| 14:04.26 | nsadmin | you want to script i/o to that console |
| 14:04.29 | kesroesweyth | Diopter that worked, however I've only inputted the command, I haven't 'executed' it, which required pressing enter. |
| 14:04.34 | kesroesweyth | nsadmin exactly :) |
| 14:04.43 | Ephexeve_laptop | Hey, question, I am doing a ssh to my server, there i have iceweasel installed. I want to completely clean the history, where is the path for this? |
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| 14:05.18 | woshty | nsadmin: yes, changing the defaults works .. but i kind of would like to use the menu from time to time ;) |
| 14:05.27 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: It just dumps characters, verbatim. You'll have to send a return. You can try \n (inside of double-quoting your command, like stuff "blah blah\n") |
| 14:05.44 | kesroesweyth | Ah, like printf uses. |
| 14:05.46 | kesroesweyth | Let me try that. |
| 14:05.47 | \n | what |
| 14:06.13 | kromagg | well I upgraded the xen hypervisor, booted it okay, but it fails to load any VMs with tap:aio style disks |
| 14:06.15 | nsadmin | as you step back and look at how you want to implement the new requirement, I'm not saying screen would not or could not be used, only that you'd want to look at both requirements together to come up with something that would allow you to script |
| 14:06.16 | kesroesweyth | Diopter that didn't work. |
| 14:06.16 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: Or, add a literal return with stuff "blah blah <- then hit C-v Enter, or C-v C-m |
| 14:06.23 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: Then the closing quote. |
| 14:06.35 | Diopter | It should print a ^M character that way |
| 14:06.46 | kromagg | I'm having some problem parsing what I find on google, apparently a bug in the xen hotplug scripts on squeeze? |
| 14:06.57 | nsadmin | one question that I would ask, is: can you have two consoles for the same server |
| 14:07.02 | babilen | Papa: Can you connect to a wireless network or via plain ethernet somewhere? Otherwise it might be the best idea to configure PPPoE during the installation. You can, however, download pppoeconf from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pppoeconf and install it with "dpkg -i pppoeconf*.deb" -- you will need to download and install its dependencies as well which might be tricky. |
| 14:07.05 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: So on the command line it will look like "blah blah^M", but you can't just type ^ and M |
| 14:07.27 | kesroesweyth | Hitting control+M in the console itself does the same thing as enter, so we're onto something there. |
| 14:07.37 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: I know, it's what the Enter key actually is :) |
| 14:07.52 | Diopter | kesroesweyth: C-v lets you enter literal characters |
| 14:07.56 | kesroesweyth | Diopter that worked! |
| 14:07.59 | nsadmin | I'd also want to know, are there commands that come with the minecraft server that could be used instead of using text i/o at all to do what you want |
| 14:07.59 | Diopter | :D |
| 14:08.01 | kesroesweyth | C-v then C-m |
| 14:08.14 | kesroesweyth | nsadmin none that I'm familiar with. |
| 14:08.46 | Diopter | https://github.com/spikegrobstein/mcwrapper looks promising |
| 14:08.58 | nsadmin | so the only blockage along those lines is your willingness to explore and learn? |
| 14:09.09 | Diopter | Wraps the server and gives you a scrip to run to interface. Looks like it makes a FIFO |
| 14:09.24 | Diopter | Probably a bit cleaner than screen |
| 14:09.27 | Diopter | shrugs |
| 14:09.45 | dkr | how do you guys handle the issue of external security scanners claiming that apache on debian has a security vuln based on the version number(despite debian having backported the security patch)? |
| 14:09.53 | nsadmin | not saying that's a bad thing, and I am saying there may be many more possibilities you can look at |
| 14:09.54 | kesroesweyth | Diopter thanks, I'll check that out. :) |
| 14:10.08 | babilen | Papa: You'll need *at least* the ppp and pppoe package in addition to pppoeconf -- I would therefore recommend to download both packages and transfer them via a USB stick to the box. Use "dpkg -i the.deb" to install them. Install the ppp package first and then the pppoe one and finish with installing the pppoeconf package. If you run into dependency problems run "apt-get -f install" and hope that the dependency is on CD1 |
| 14:10.57 | Papa | thanks mate |
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| 14:14.29 | tharkun | Papa: before you unplug the usb stick from the appropiate machine check the dependencies and download them BEFORE you transfer the ppoe set |
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| 14:14.50 | johndo | is there any way to get useful information why aptitude is not upgrading a package while it should? |
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| 14:16.03 | rgr | while it should, or as it should? |
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| 14:16.18 | johndo | as it should i guess :) |
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| 14:16.33 | johndo | apt would upgrade the apckege , but aptitude not |
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| 14:17.51 | johndo | and it usually is the other way around, aptitude is better in resolving dependencies |
| 14:18.13 | johndo | but there is no dependency in this case, just the package itself |
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| 14:24.19 | FilipeMaia | Hi. When I do mdadm --examine /dev/sda does mdadm read the information from sda or from somewhere else? I was dding a bad disk but looks like the superblock information didn't get copied |
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| 14:27.25 | kromagg | is there an easy way to just write the contents of a RAW disk image to an lvm partition? dd if= of= will work? |
| 14:27.46 | kromagg | or better to mount as loop perhaps |
| 14:28.26 | johndo | do apt and aptitude share the same information about auto-installed packages? |
| 14:28.46 | johndo | i.e. can i use aptitude markauto to adjust apt's behaviour? |
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| 14:32.46 | babilen | Papa: Are you making progress? |
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| 14:33.58 | dokma | Tricky but I think it's possible with rsync. I need to copy old emails from a backup to a new Maildir structure. What I need is to copy from /whatever/Maildirroot/domain/mailbox/cur/* to /newsystem/Maildirroor/domain/mailbox/cur/ |
| 14:34.15 | dokma | I need rsync to not touch anything in the new Maildir structure |
| 14:34.25 | dokma | is this possible or am I wasting time? |
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| 14:34.57 | dokma | Additionally I need all copied files to be set to be owned by vmail:vmail not the old uid:gid |
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| 14:35.20 | johndo | dokma: why using rsync then and not cp? |
| 14:35.44 | johndo | with a little loop which tests if the file is already there |
| 14:36.03 | dokma | because copying will last a very long time and the mail system won't work during that time because the ownership will be messed up |
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| 14:36.56 | dokma | besides this is over network |
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| 14:37.03 | johndo | hmm, not clear why copy should have longer than rsyn when rsync also has to copy the whole file |
| 14:37.06 | dokma | so I would need to use scp |
| 14:37.54 | dokma | johndo: cp I think cannot set the ownership immediately after the transfer while rsync I think might |
| 14:38.03 | johndo | dokma: if it's time critically i would transfer the files before to a different directory and do the update locally after that |
| 14:38.12 | dokma | so with scp the whole mail system would be unusable until all emails would be copied |
| 14:38.29 | dokma | johndo: that's not a bad suggestion at all |
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| 14:38.37 | dokma | I'll do that first |
| 14:38.48 | Angel0z | or |
| 14:38.51 | Angel0z | with drbd |
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| 14:43.27 | johndo | dokma: and for rsync, maybe that option is useful for you |
| 14:43.30 | johndo | --ignore-existing skip updating files that exist on receiver |
| 14:43.43 | ZIKOBABA | !help |
| 14:43.49 | dokma | yeah it will be |
| 14:43.50 | johndo | i still would test that before in a differnt place ;) |
| 14:43.52 | dokma | thanks! |
| 14:44.00 | dokma | I'm just transferring it for now |
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| 14:44.22 | dokma | yeah I'll merge on a copy and then try live |
| 14:44.39 | eevar | any suggestions on partition layout for 70GB of ssd + 2TB of slow disk? would like to run encryption (luks i guess?) and btrfs on all of it |
| 14:46.38 | teratorn | eevar: with btrfs you should be able to repartition easily no? |
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| 14:47.24 | eevar | so just create a large luks encrypted btrfs volume on each? + unencrypted /boot on the ssd? |
| 14:48.53 | jhutchins_wk | eevar: What is your reason for running btrfs? |
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| 14:49.49 | eevar | jhutchins_wk: i want compression on the large drive. and guess it plays nice with a tiny ssd as well |
| 14:50.00 | eevar | btrfs that is |
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| 14:50.01 | jelly | eevar: if you've already decided on alpha quality, unreliable software, you could add bcache to the mix |
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| 14:50.50 | Trewas | eevar: what kind of data are you planning to put on a 2TB disk that could benefit from compression? |
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| 14:52.38 | jelly | Trewas is probably hinting at uncompressibility of mp3 or flac music or videos |
| 14:52.41 | eevar | Trewas: lots and lots of tick data. |
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| 14:53.13 | eevar | not sure how compressible it will be, but ;) |
| 14:53.32 | digdilem | why not test first with a simple gzip? |
| 14:54.05 | eevar | well, i know it'll compress great, but _just_ btrfs compression might not be the best approach |
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| 14:55.43 | Trewas | if it is some very application specific data then maybe compression should be done by the applcation... and yeah I suspected that filling a 2TB disk wouldn't be done without audio/video which in general does not compress well :) |
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| 14:59.00 | eevar | Trewas: yes, thanks :) |
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| 15:02.00 | eevar | what I meant to ask about btw, was swap. I only have 8GB of ram, so guess swapping out some dead data can't hurt. That means creating yet another encrypted volume on the 2TB disk? ~2GB should do, I don't really need suspend-to-ram or whatever it's called |
| 15:02.05 | eevar | ? |
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| 15:03.29 | eevar | kindof do want LVM, but adding that too sounds unneccessary |
| 15:03.33 | jelly | eevar: using a swap file is an option |
| 15:03.51 | jhutchins_wk | eevar: Yeah, you could just swap to a file on the existing partition. |
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| 15:04.39 | eevar | hmm.. would that play nice with full disk encryption and btrfs? |
| 15:05.07 | tgs3 | eevar: LVM + encryption is classic |
| 15:05.13 | tgs3 | eevar: putting btrfs on top would work sure |
| 15:05.34 | tgs3 | although letting btrfs directly access /dev/sd* stuff lets it do some optimizalizations better (but you lose encrypt) |
| 15:05.46 | ChrisH | LVM + encryption or encryption + LVM? |
| 15:05.47 | tgs3 | eevar: and with btrfs make sure to use latest kernel always :) |
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| 15:06.02 | eevar | yes, sounds like too many layers. thinking of wheezy |
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| 15:06.35 | ChrisH | used MD - crypt - LVM since Debian 5 without issues |
| 15:06.36 | tgs3 | normally you make encrypted partition and then use it as LVM, to have it divided into smaller lv_ volumes |
| 15:06.47 | teratorn | btrfs isn't recommended for serious use even still |
| 15:06.48 | babilen | ChrisH: I typically go for LVM on top of an encrypted partition ... |
| 15:06.56 | tgs3 | babilen: yeap |
| 15:07.06 | teratorn | and do use latest kernel :) |
| 15:07.15 | ChrisH | babilen: /me too... I just wanted to point out the 2 options... |
| 15:07.29 | babilen | ChrisH: yeah (and rightfully so) |
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| 15:08.44 | eevar | teratorn: i'll keep backups :) |
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| 15:20.15 | DammitJim | the netbeans package in wheezy seems to be broken... where do I find out a solution for this? |
| 15:20.31 | babilen | DammitJim: What is broken? |
| 15:21.03 | tdrusk | DammitJim: you can download it off the netbeans website if you are looking for a quick fix(not the debian way btw) :) |
| 15:21.26 | DammitJim | svn |
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| 15:21.47 | DammitJim | org.trigris.subversion.javah1.svnclientinterface missing |
| 15:23.49 | babilen | DammitJim: Please try to make a complete sentence. I *guess* that the netbeans that you installed outputs the exception you just quoted when you try to use svn ... |
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| 15:24.37 | babilen | (I know it is hard, but communication is so much nicer with function words, nouns, verbs (let alone phrases, subjects, object or even (heresy!) modal particles) |
| 15:24.50 | DammitJim | Understood... my apologies for the lack of information |
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| 15:25.32 | DammitJim | I just installed netbeans 7.0.1 from the apt repo... Went to Tools -> Options and clicked on Versioning -> Subversion (I have subvesion installed as well) |
| 15:25.42 | DammitJim | When I click on Manage Connecion SEttings, I get the error: |
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| 15:26.22 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/yCwxs34z |
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| 15:26.53 | DammitJim | I found someone had written something for Ubuntu, but I there was no resolution nor do I know if it would apply to Debian |
| 15:27.12 | dashs | rsh/ssh: how to issue 'rsh joe@remote ls' from machine fred without entering a password. |
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| 15:27.56 | KsM | using ssh keys would be the most secure way |
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| 15:28.26 | dashs | I've set hosts.equiv and .rhosts in the user dir on remote. |
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| 15:29.00 | babilen | DammitJim: Apparently the installation is broken -- See http://netbeans.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=210759 for an upstream bug report. You might want to file that against netbeans in Debian as well. (use reportbug) and use upstream's NB for the time being. (or just use git in lieu of svn (please!)) |
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| 15:29.33 | KsM | I don't know about those since I don't use them at all; r* utilities and trusted host files have been deemed 'insecure' and have been replaced with ssh and ssh keys |
| 15:29.39 | KsM | (as far as I know) |
| 15:29.47 | babilen | DammitJim: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=668015 ← the Debian bug report in question |
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| 15:30.06 | cyberpunkarch | i sort out my debian box really now... with XFCE 4.10 |
| 15:30.17 | cyberpunkarch | good^ |
| 15:30.25 | rawburt | my Thunar bein slow |
| 15:30.29 | rawburt | shii |
| 15:30.34 | babilen | DammitJim: You should ping the maintainer (just write a "me too" mail to the bug) |
| 15:30.37 | cyberpunkarch | ye i notice when u delete somethign to eh |
| 15:30.57 | cyberpunkarch | but even 4.8 thunar done that as well |
| 15:31.04 | cyberpunkarch | i mean 1.2.3 |
| 15:31.27 | cyberpunkarch | << been using debian for 11 years now |
| 15:31.44 | cyberpunkarch | first debian distro was the first debian live cd knoppix |
| 15:31.50 | cyberpunkarch | with the retro kde |
| 15:31.54 | cyberpunkarch | lol |
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| 15:32.21 | cyberpunkarch | i remember when live cds where coming out .. i had like over 100 cds |
| 15:32.38 | cyberpunkarch | good ol days :) |
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| 15:33.19 | cyberpunkarch | the debian community seems cool |
| 15:33.31 | cyberpunkarch | more than arch linux community :-S |
| 15:33.52 | DammitJim | babilen, thanks for the info... let me go step by step... first I should get an account for the Netbeans community to add to the bug saying I hvae the same problem? |
| 15:34.00 | cyberpunkarch | i fine even chrunchbang community is a great community |
| 15:34.01 | DammitJim | then I need to go to debian and do the same as well? |
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| 15:34.26 | DammitJim | finally, I need to find the maintainer of the package and email him about the bug? |
| 15:34.47 | cyberpunkarch | alot of projects i do on debian systems i always end up on chrunchbang forums and the community and what they do its nice to see others do what i do on linux and its just such a great thing that many more people are using linux... |
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| 15:35.29 | babilen | DammitJim: No, I am talking about adding a "me too" to the Debian bug report. Just run "reportbug netbeans" and pick bug number #668015 and add information. |
| 15:35.42 | cyberpunkarch | but we will always be the shutter outcast eh... punx get kick around like linux... but fucking TUX will knuckle up to the big apple |
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| 15:36.27 | cyberpunkarch | anyways if u want to laugh at me even more.. check out my channel @ http://www.youtube.com/tuxhat |
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| 15:36.50 | cyberpunkarch | i find ubuntu sort of ruin debian |
| 15:37.06 | cyberpunkarch | :P |
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| 15:37.31 | cyberpunkarch | i hate what they done with the plymouth and all that crap grub runlevels |
| 15:37.39 | sney | cyberpunkarch: is there a support question in there somewhere |
| 15:38.24 | babilen | cyberpunkarch: No spam please and what is your question? If you want to chat you might find #defocus of #debian-offtopic more to your liking. |
| 15:38.58 | cyberpunkarch | ok thanks :] sorry im just bored and geeky |
| 15:39.03 | cyberpunkarch | alright ill go there |
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| 15:44.51 | DammitJim | what is the fastest way to transfer files between 2 computers |
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| 15:44.59 | DammitJim | I've been doing it over scp, but it seems slower than normal |
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| 15:45.50 | abrotman | netcat |
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| 15:46.32 | KsM | DammitJim: rsync? |
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| 15:46.49 | KsM | with a bunch of cool options for compression and stuff |
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| 15:47.04 | DammitJim | hhmmmm I"ve used rsync before |
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| 15:47.22 | DammitJim | doesn't it have to do a bunch of compares at the beginning, though? |
| 15:47.29 | KsM | or just pass everything to gzip, pipe to netcat, open the connection on the other machine pipe it out through gunzip etc. for the fun of it |
| 15:47.34 | DammitJim | I"m doing a straight copy (switching laptops) |
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| 15:47.53 | DammitJim | KsM, that sounds fun... I've never done it with netcat, abramart |
| 15:47.55 | DammitJim | abrotman, |
| 15:48.07 | jelly | so many abr*ies |
| 15:48.13 | DammitJim | too many |
| 15:48.22 | DammitJim | I should change mine to abrazos |
| 15:49.08 | jelly | I've migrated my home machine using tar, dd, rsync, ... I think I've skipped cp -a while both old and new disks are mounted |
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| 15:49.34 | abrotman | DammitJim: you're thinking of rsync |
| 15:49.36 | DammitJim | jelly, did you have them connected via ethernet or usb? |
| 15:49.46 | jelly | DammitJim: ethernet |
| 15:49.49 | DammitJim | no, not nsync, abrotman |
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| 15:50.02 | jelly | gbit eth last time |
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| 15:51.02 | DammitJim | ok, if I want to get netbeans from sources, I probably need to uninstall it since I got it from the repos |
| 15:51.09 | DammitJim | is it enough to just apt-get remove netbeans? |
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| 15:56.27 | abrotman | rsync .. not nsync .. no idea what nsync is |
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| 15:58.15 | DammitJim | man, my system didn't send out the email when doing reportbug netbeans |
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| 16:06.46 | ptrkmj | does mplayer in squeeze support dvdnav:// "protocol"? i get an error when trying to play dvd: "No stream found to handle url dvdnav://" |
| 16:07.35 | nsadmin | how would one go about doing something similar to speedtest.com using cli? |
| 16:08.46 | ceil | ptrkmj: maybe a gstreamer package? |
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| 16:09.06 | ceil | ptrkmj: try libdvdnav4 |
| 16:09.15 | ceil | ptrkmj: also, apt-cache search <whatever you're looking for> |
| 16:09.31 | ceil | apt-cache search dvdnav shows something fairly relevant :p |
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| 16:10.00 | ptrkmj | ceil: you mean installing libdvdnav might change something? |
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| 16:10.28 | ceil | t's possible |
| 16:11.08 | ceil | "It's based on Ogle, but was modified to be used by xine and mplayer." |
| 16:11.12 | ceil | sounds relevant |
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| 16:11.33 | ptrkmj | if so, wouldn't the maintainer add it to dependencies |
| 16:11.37 | ceil | (seems i already have it installed, and just had to `apt-cache show libdvdnav4' to read about it :-) |
| 16:11.40 | ptrkmj | i'll try anyway |
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| 16:11.55 | ceil | mplayer's basic functionality doesn't require the ability to navigate DVDs |
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| 16:12.14 | ceil | like-wise, libdvdnav4 doesn't depend on mplayer to do its thing |
| 16:12.21 | ceil | neither is a dependency of the other |
| 16:12.41 | babilen | ptrkmj: And you will most likely want to install libdvdcss2 as well -- I typically just grab the package from upstream and install it manually (dpkg -i) -- http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/libdvdcss/1.2.10/deb/ |
| 16:12.44 | treetop_ | hi |
| 16:12.50 | treetop_ | guys |
| 16:12.55 | treetop_ | anyone knows how to manage remotely iroffer |
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| 16:13.05 | netritious | What is the appropriate channel for a package noob to ask questions? |
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| 16:13.22 | FriendlySeal | hai |
| 16:13.28 | ceil | netritious: making packages? installing packages? sending packages via post? |
| 16:13.30 | ceil | :o |
| 16:13.32 | FriendlySeal | frinds |
| 16:13.41 | FriendlySeal | :D |
| 16:13.45 | ptrkmj | ceil: oh, i've just noticed that libdvdnav4 is already installed |
| 16:13.48 | ceil | balances a ball on FriendlySeal's nose |
| 16:13.48 | netritious | ceil: sorry, making packages |
| 16:13.49 | babilen | ptrkmj: Hmm, that doesn't seem to be a good approach anymore as videolan does no longer provide .deb's for libdvdcss versions >= 1.2.10 -- You can get it from Debian Multimedia though, but I am reluctant to recommend it. |
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| 16:14.51 | SpaceAviator | my system just froze. I had left something to download and then the screensave kicked in - after which the system didnt respond at all - had to restart with the physical button - which log do I look at to find out what went wrong? |
| 16:15.14 | ceil | SpaceAviator: wish i knew - i have that problem from time to time :x |
| 16:15.42 | SpaceAviator | ceil, system freeze? |
| 16:15.43 | ceil | i can tell you in my particular case that kern.log and syslog didn't seem to have any relevant information, and i couldn't decipher xorg's log at all |
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| 16:15.46 | ceil | yeah |
| 16:15.49 | ceil | gl tho :) |
| 16:15.53 | ceil | completely non-responsive |
| 16:16.01 | ceil | i couldn't even turn off numlock (light on kb stayed on) |
| 16:16.20 | elbasto999 | hey everyone, I want to add for all users /usr/local/rbenv/bin to the PATH so I added export PATH="/usr/local/rbenv/bin:${PATH}" to /etc/profile and it's working great. Now I want sudo echo $PATH to have /usr/local/rbenv/bin inside. What's the best way to accomplish that? |
| 16:16.57 | elbasto999 | should I use secure_path in sudoers? |
| 16:16.59 | ceil | a friend recommended mcelog and linked me to this [ http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-server-predicting-hardware-failure.html ] , but my PC hasn't frozen again since a coupla hours ago, and i've never used it, so not really sure how it works |
| 16:17.16 | tgs3 | 5~5~5~ |
| 16:17.27 | ceil | ~6~6~6 |
| 16:17.41 | SpaceAviator | ceil, same here! do you have a new system or something? |
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| 16:20.30 | ceil | SpaceAviator: nah, built it in '07. it's had the same problem off and on; *just* infrequently enough for me to never bother with it too much :p |
| 16:21.13 | ceil | i strongly suspect dodgy hardware (specifically, in my case, i think it's either the motherboard or cpu), so i'm just waiting to afford a new build and see if the problem persists :p |
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| 16:22.01 | quebre | hi |
| 16:22.08 | quebre | is there some debian kernel optimized for gaming ? |
| 16:22.22 | Argafal | hi. I am trying to install collectd from backports.debian.org. I added deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main to /etc/apt/sources.list, ran aptitude update and then aptitude -t squeeze-backports install collectd. "No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.", it stays at the latest stable ( 4.10.1-1+squeeze2). Any suggestions what might be the problem? aptitude versions collectd shows only the stable package. |
| 16:22.32 | ceil | what is this... "gaming"? |
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| 16:22.38 | ceil | :p |
| 16:22.44 | quebre | ceil: it's running DIABLO 3 under WINE without stuttering |
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| 16:23.42 | ceil | wasn't Linux banned from D3? |
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| 16:23.54 | babilen | Argafal: collectd is not in squeeze-backports |
| 16:23.57 | babilen | ,v collectd |
| 16:23.59 | judd | Package: collectd on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.2-3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 4.10.1-1+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.10.1-1+squeeze2; sid: 5.1.0-3; wheezy: 5.1.0-3 |
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| 16:24.26 | Argafal | babilen: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze-backports&arch=amd64&searchon=names&keywords=collectd |
| 16:24.30 | Papa | heloo guys i cnoot find live cd of debian 6.0.5. it says 6.0.4 but according to wiki 6.0.5 is the latest can ny1 give me link of debian xfce 6.0.5 live cd |
| 16:24.42 | Argafal | You have searched for packages that names contain collectd in suite(s) squeeze-backports, all sections, and architecture(s) amd64. Found 7 matching packages. |
| 16:25.04 | babilen | Argafal: Oh, true. /me looks at themill and looks at judd and blames judd for outdated information |
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| 16:25.11 | babilen | Argafal: Could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy collectd" to http://paste.debian.net along with your sources.list please? |
| 16:25.18 | ptrkmj | ,v grep |
| 16:25.19 | judd | Package: grep on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.3~dfsg-6; squeeze: 2.6.3-3; sid: 2.12-2; wheezy: 2.12-2 |
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| 16:25.32 | ptrkmj | (just testing) |
| 16:25.34 | Argafal | babilen: sure, just a sec |
| 16:26.57 | babilen | Papa: AFAICT there are no 6.0.4 images -- You could ask in #debian-live on irc.oftc.net about it |
| 16:27.03 | Argafal | shit, i think i found it. |
| 16:27.06 | babilen | s/6.0.4/6.0.5/ |
| 16:27.14 | babilen | Argafal: Hmm? |
| 16:27.17 | Argafal | babilen: The machine is indeed i386. And it seems it is only in amd64 in backports. |
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| 16:27.28 | Papa | hey what is this debian 6.0.4 amd 64 xfce live? |
| 16:27.36 | babilen | ,v collectd --architecture amd64 |
| 16:27.37 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 16:27.42 | babilen | ,v collectd --arch amd64 |
| 16:27.43 | judd | Package: collectd on amd64 -- lenny: 4.4.2-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.2-3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 4.10.1-1+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.10.1-1+squeeze2; squeeze-backports: 5.1.0-3~bpo60+1; sid: 5.1.0-3; wheezy: 5.1.0-3 |
| 16:27.52 | babilen | Argafal: There we go ... |
| 16:27.53 | Argafal | and that also explains this. |
| 16:28.02 | Papa | is there a live cd of debian? |
| 16:28.02 | Argafal | babilen: thanks, now it makes at least sense to me :) |
| 16:28.08 | babilen | Argafal: You confused me for a second. :) |
| 16:28.23 | babilen | unlooks themill (judd) |
| 16:28.34 | Argafal | babilen: well, i guess you were about as confused as I was for the past 15 minutes. |
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| 16:28.59 | quebre | ceil: how is your question have anything to do with my question? and no, d3 is not banned on linux, only cheaters are |
| 16:29.24 | Argafal | babilen: No collectd5 for now then, but I'll bug Sebastian about it. :-> |
| 16:29.35 | babilen | ,checkbackport |
| 16:29.37 | judd | (checkbackport <packagename> [--fromrelease <sid>] [--torelease <stable>] [--arch <i386>] [--verbose]) -- Check that the build-dependencies listed by a package in the release specified as "fromrelease" are satisfiable for in "torelease" for the given host architecture. By default, a backport from unstable to the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 16:29.39 | babilen | ,checkbackport collectd |
| 16:29.52 | Papa | hey does debian live cd contain pppoeconf package? |
| 16:29.52 | judd | Backporting package collectd in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libmodbus-dev, librabbitmq-dev. |
| 16:30.33 | Argafal | babilen: what exactly does that tell me? Is there a --verbose? |
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| 16:30.58 | babilen | Argafal: You could backport it yourself, but you need to backport cdbs, librabbitmq-dev and libmodbus-dev first. (And install the resulting packages in that order) -- The process is detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 16:31.12 | Argafal | thanks. |
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| 16:31.20 | babilen | Argafal: Note that you will in that case no longer receive automatic updates and essentially become the maintainer yourself. |
| 16:31.29 | Argafal | babilen: Yeah, I figured. |
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| 16:32.28 | babilen | Argafal: Just wanted to make that explicit :) -- It is also not a given that it is in fact that easy to backport these packages. You might run into multiarch related problems or other things, but that is one approach you could at least try. |
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| 16:33.28 | Argafal | babilen: Well, first I'll see what Sebastian says. He must have had a good reason for NOT backporting it to i386, I assume, and he is much better with these things. Trying to say if he had a good reason it might be a great hurdle for me to solve it. |
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| 16:33.37 | Argafal | But we'll see. thanks for sheding light onto the matter! |
| 16:33.38 | babilen | Indeed |
| 16:34.19 | babilen | Argafal: (and who uses i386 these days anyway?) |
| 16:34.20 | babilen | runs |
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| 16:36.49 | Jimmothy | Can i change my sources.list to change to testing for gnome 3 from squeeze? |
| 16:37.35 | DammitJim | omg... what a pain!!! |
| 16:37.50 | DammitJim | so now netbeans doesn't support the swing application framework, so I have to go back to 7.0 for that |
| 16:37.51 | DammitJim | ugh |
| 16:37.57 | DammitJim | uninstall netbeans |
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| 16:43.11 | somiaj | Jimmothy: no you do not want to mix testing packages with squeeze packages (this will usually lead to breaking your system) |
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| 16:44.02 | somiaj | Jimmothy: I would wait until wheezy has released then consider upgrading. You could try to test the upgrade process to wheezy now if you desired, but there are still some pitfalls in the process |
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| 16:44.22 | Heoa-iPad | abrotman back |
| 16:46.06 | SpaceAviator | ceil, i just got a new gaming rig and I cant figure out what the hell doesnt behave well. Its pretty weird actually - I installed xubuntu first and it worked like charm then I went onto arch - couldnt get x to work then tried reinstalling xubuntu -EVEN THAT started misbehaving. Then finally ended up with squeeze which is working the best. Still cant figure out what arch did to my hardware that xubuntu started messing up. |
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| 16:48.28 | r0tha | SpaceAviator: it might be that the kernels behave differently w/ your hardware |
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| 16:53.50 | joeytwiddle | when i purge a package, and aptitude decides to uninstall auto-installed packages too, would it not be appropriate for it to purge those packages also (rather than just uninstall them)? |
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| 16:56.02 | johndo | can you switch from i386 to amd64 without reinstallation? e.g. by installing an amd64 kernel? or at least upgrade from an i386 to amd64? |
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| 16:56.23 | johndo | or dooes multiarch not mean having different architectures in the same installation? |
| 16:56.32 | nkuttler | johndo: you can install a 64bit kernel on 32bit userland, no problem there |
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| 16:56.50 | johndo | nkuttler: install and _run_? |
| 16:57.01 | nkuttler | afaik yes, never done it though |
| 16:57.30 | nkuttler | but i don't think that switching the userland to a different arch is possible |
| 16:57.42 | johndo | and where do i have to set that the applications from amd64 path are used? or is that automatically? |
| 16:57.53 | nkuttler | amd64 path? |
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| 16:58.10 | johndo | what's the multiarch for then? |
| 16:58.16 | thewanderer1 | johndo: libraries. |
| 16:58.17 | johndo | only for cross compiling? |
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| 16:58.44 | thewanderer1 | you can't just get packages from a different arch, install, and expect them to work |
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| 16:59.13 | thewanderer1 | multi-arch will allow you to install most libraries from a different architecture, but those have to be specially accomodated for this |
| 16:59.41 | johndo | but what's the multiarch then good for? quite a lot of effort for cross compiling, which probably could have done better in a chroot? |
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| 17:00.28 | thewanderer1 | it's so that you are able to run i386 apps in an amd64 environment (among others)... imagine a game that requires i386 libs |
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| 17:00.43 | thewanderer1 | the ia32-libs approach simply doesn't scale |
| 17:01.08 | johndo | thewanderer1: but not vice versa i guess? |
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| 17:01.27 | johndo | 64 bit apps on an i386 installation |
| 17:01.34 | thewanderer1 | johndo: if your kernel supports amd64, then it'll run ELF64 without a problem |
| 17:02.31 | johndo | so to prevent reinstallation i can install a 64-bit kernel and then be able to run 64-bit applications? |
| 17:02.43 | johndo | *on a i386 system |
| 17:02.51 | johndo | (installation) |
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| 17:04.39 | FilipeMaia | How reliable is AoE using kvblade? What about with vblade? |
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| 17:07.24 | SpaceAviator | r0tha, the xubuntu kernel worked great for more than a month until I installed arch and tried installing xubuntu again |
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| 17:11.04 | abec0 | Said like that, it does seem hard to believe... ;-) |
| 17:11.11 | thewanderer1 | johndo: in Wheezy, theoretically, it could work |
| 17:11.43 | johndo | thewanderer1: 'theoretically' :) |
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| 17:12.02 | thereisnospoon | 2 questions, is debian uefi friendly and how insane is it to run sid these days? |
| 17:12.15 | johndo | guess i will have to reinstall next time i get new hardware :( |
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| 17:13.38 | thewanderer1 | thereisnospoon: Debian works on UEFI for me (ThinkPad X220, may require some manual setup), and Sid is fine if you like GNOME3 - it's been pretty crash-free lately |
| 17:13.57 | thewanderer1 | the usual precaution applies: unless you're a Debian expert, stick to stable (Squeeze). |
| 17:14.10 | pparadis | sid is not fine at all unless you are completely comfortable fixing things that break routinely. |
| 17:14.15 | pparadis | never has been. |
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| 17:15.06 | thewanderer1 | I agree - it's not meant to be a solid basis to perform daily tasks on, and things will break |
| 17:15.42 | johndo | what's the advantage of using sid over testing when you are not a DD? are there so many packages at a newer version that in testing that it's worth it? |
| 17:15.48 | thereisnospoon | thewanderer1, thanks, im not a deb guru but ill learn fast enough, lets give it a shot then :) id stick to something more stable but iv got some bleeding edge hardware that im tearing a new one so i want to keep everything upto date |
| 17:15.53 | pparadis | johndo: there is none. |
| 17:16.06 | thewanderer1 | thereisnospoon: you only need Squeeze (stable) and kernel 3.2.0 from backports |
| 17:16.08 | pparadis | johndo: many people suffer from SNS. |
| 17:16.26 | pparadis | (when they have zero actual functional need for a newer version of any particular package) |
| 17:16.36 | johndo | pparadis: :) |
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| 17:17.01 | pparadis | thereisnospoon: do you have an actual need for any particular newer packages? |
| 17:17.06 | pparadis | !tell thereisnospoon about sns |
| 17:17.20 | nsadmin | is that like dns? |
| 17:17.32 | pparadis | not at all :) |
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| 17:17.58 | pparadis | thereisnospoon: you're almost certainly going to be much better off running testing, if anything. |
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| 17:18.09 | thereisnospoon | pparadis, not sure at this point in time, testing being wheezy? |
| 17:18.17 | pparadis | !tell thereisnospoon about releases |
| 17:18.39 | pparadis | thereisnospoon: also --> http://debian-handbook.info/ |
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| 17:19.04 | thereisnospoon | thanks, now to lose my mind learning a new distro |
| 17:19.09 | Raydiation | what do you use on your server to sync calendar and contacts with android? |
| 17:19.14 | pparadis | good times :) |
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| 17:21.19 | pparadis | Raydiation: you may have bettter luck asking about that in #android |
| 17:21.35 | Raydiation | pparadis: everyone is pointing to google there |
| 17:21.47 | Raydiation | i also need to sync this with my email client |
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| 17:22.48 | pparadis | Raydiation: it's really not ontopic for #debian either. i do seem to get a bunch of results from the google query: debian sync calendar and contacts with android |
| 17:22.53 | nsadmin | Raydiation, according to android docs, that would be done using a data source, which you would implement on the server side |
| 17:23.23 | pparadis | Raydiation: what have you already researched on your own? what have you already tried? if things didn't work, what did they do instead of working? |
| 17:23.54 | nsadmin | there is an #android and #android-devel here |
| 17:24.29 | johndo | ssb .. should that work the same in the opposite direction? i.e. to recreate dropped packages on a newer debian release? |
| 17:24.31 | geggam | I would kiss Joey if he was close... ive already moved to this desktop due to bloat http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Debian-to-use-Xfce-as-its-standard-desktop-1663868.html |
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| 17:24.58 | ompaul | and it's gone |
| 17:25.38 | Raydiation | pparadis: yes, ive been researching for some months now. the problem is to find a good FOSS or at least free way to both sync contacts and calendar |
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| 17:26.11 | nsadmin | Raydiation, a google acct is the typical free way |
| 17:26.53 | nsadmin | you -can- have several... |
| 17:26.56 | Raydiation | nsadmin: yeah im using that now but id like to transtition away |
| 17:27.15 | ompaul | Raydiation: and this is a debian problem how? |
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| 17:27.40 | Raydiation | ompaul: i thought that maybe i have better luck asking in a server distro channel |
| 17:28.03 | pparadis | Raydiation: it's really not ontopic for #debian. |
| 17:28.11 | geggam | owncloud works decent ompaul |
| 17:28.20 | geggam | bloated for webdav but it work |
| 17:28.22 | geggam | s |
| 17:28.26 | ompaul | you're procrastinating on IRC when you should make a decision, test, note it, and repeat that experiment until happy, blog about it if you want to |
| 17:28.28 | Raydiation | geggam: what do you use to sync in android? |
| 17:28.41 | nsadmin | Raydiation, tried #android? |
| 17:28.44 | Raydiation | yes |
| 17:29.00 | geggam | i dont use android anymore Raydiation ... i tossed my smart phone for a dumb one and never looked back |
| 17:29.16 | pparadis | http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpe2xqC42E1qetbbj.gif |
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| 17:31.41 | r0tha | FilipeMaia: dude it's all about the kernels / source |
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| 17:32.07 | r0tha | one reason why the ubuntu channel has so many peeps asking about random stuff is because they don't realize that a lot of the stuff they're apt-getting isn't always stable |
| 17:32.27 | r0tha | so they're making assumptions off of assumptions hoping everything just works |
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| 17:37.17 | Tadekmocar | hi |
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| 17:37.24 | Tadekmocar | i ned help |
| 17:37.33 | pparadis | !ask |
| 17:37.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:37.48 | Tadekmocar | let say i want to install lxde desktop, how to ? |
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| 17:38.11 | Devastator | aptitude install lxde |
| 17:38.24 | Tadekmocar | or which dekstop should i install |
| 17:38.27 | Tadekmocar | lxde is ok ? |
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| 17:38.50 | listenpreis | hi |
| 17:38.54 | listenpreis | got a question |
| 17:38.58 | Devastator | that's a matter of taste |
| 17:39.08 | listenpreis | really? |
| 17:39.08 | pparadis | !tell listenpreis about ask |
| 17:39.13 | listenpreis | :P |
| 17:39.21 | listenpreis | no metaquestions, okok |
| 17:39.41 | listenpreis | I just setup a new machine to test network performance |
| 17:39.54 | listenpreis | so I have a software raid and a hardware raid (adaptec 3085) |
| 17:40.04 | listenpreis | and I used wget to make a speed test |
| 17:40.07 | pparadis | !enter |
| 17:40.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:40.19 | Devastator | hehe |
| 17:40.24 | listenpreis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.29 | pparadis | !pastebin |
| 17:40.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:40.38 | listenpreis | 100%[===================================>] 10,734,736,505 88.6M/s in 1m 58s |
| 17:40.50 | listenpreis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.59 | listenpreis | 100%[===================================>] 30.400.780.308 111M/s in 4m 22s |
| 17:41.10 | blip2 | noice |
| 17:41.13 | listenpreis | pparadis: you totally screwed my pasteparty! |
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| 17:41.28 | listenpreis | :P |
| 17:41.30 | pparadis | there are many factors that go into this. caching is the biggest one. |
| 17:41.39 | Tadekmocar | what i dont like about linux is that u use repositories and they KNOW what programs u have installed |
| 17:41.41 | geggam | i thought disk was the biggest |
| 17:41.53 | listenpreis | well now the question why is this software raid slower than my faboulus hardware raid? |
| 17:41.56 | pparadis | geggam: filesystem cache ... |
| 17:41.57 | geggam | no disk no raid :) |
| 17:41.58 | Tadekmocar | its almost like on iphone |
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| 17:42.20 | geggam | why do they call ssd disks ? |
| 17:42.38 | listenpreis | so how can I make the hardware raid speed the heck up |
| 17:43.11 | pparadis | listenpreis: what version of debian are you running on each system? |
| 17:43.12 | listenpreis | I mean it's 4 harddrives ..it should get at least the speed of the software raid, right? |
| 17:43.16 | listenpreis | 2.6 |
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| 17:43.31 | listenpreis | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 17:43.34 | listenpreis | on both |
| 17:43.44 | pparadis | what RAID level is it configured at? what kind of RAID card are you using? is it actually a RAID card, or is it fakeraid? |
| 17:43.50 | listenpreis | both raid level 5 |
| 17:43.51 | geggam | striping ...size of writes... |
| 17:44.11 | Tadekmocar | Devastator; man, it tells me im not root, how to become one? |
| 17:44.14 | pparadis | what kind of drives, what kind of servers, more information. |
| 17:44.15 | geggam | block size .. |
| 17:44.21 | listenpreis | first is software raid5, other adaptec 3085 hardware raid5 |
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| 17:44.43 | listenpreis | drives: 4x 2,5 TB WD EARX |
| 17:44.48 | Devastator | Tadekmocar try sudo aptitude install lxde |
| 17:44.51 | listenpreis | for the hardware raid |
| 17:45.03 | listenpreis | software raid: 3x 2 TB WD EARS |
| 17:45.14 | johndo | Tadekmocar: with the difference that you know that the fruit company _is_ using these data and i guess when in debian someone would use these data for e.g. advertising i'm sure there would be quite a riot even inside of the debian project ;) |
| 17:45.40 | listenpreis | server hardware is the same both: asus p5w dh deluxe c2d e6600 2,5 GHz |
| 17:45.52 | Tadekmocar | well adverttising is nothing compared to privacy/spying |
| 17:45.55 | listenpreis | the one with the hardware raid has a intel pro card even |
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| 17:46.52 | Tadekmocar | for example if fbi know i use tor they can check my pc if i have child porn or somethin |
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| 17:48.10 | Tadekmocar | Devastator, thanks, man. i now become root |
| 17:49.13 | Tadekmocar | johndo windows is safe from this.. at least up to windows 7, because they now implement that in windows 8 |
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| 17:49.35 | Tadekmocar | that people download programs and buy from windows shop |
| 17:49.48 | Tadekmocar | and microsoft will have ability to remotely uninstall software |
| 17:50.25 | r0tha | Tadekmocar: it's progress at its finest |
| 17:50.29 | r0tha | yaaaay windows smh |
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| 17:57.07 | boudiccas | how do i change the colours in mutt from a dark background with black text, that i cant read, to black text on a white background please? |
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| 17:57.53 | abrotman | hell_razer: still there? |
| 17:58.26 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: that's primarily a function of your terminal settings to start with |
| 17:58.49 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: ok, then how do i change it please? |
| 17:58.54 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: which terminal are you using? |
| 17:59.05 | boudiccas | gnome default |
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| 18:00.02 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: that's probably gnome-shell; it should have a configuration menu somewhere to change it |
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| 18:00.11 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
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| 18:00.13 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: if you can't find it, I'd check google (or someone here may know precisely what to do) |
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| 18:00.32 | dondelelcaro | boudiccas: after you've done that, then you can tweak the other settings by using color directives in your .muttrc |
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| 18:02.29 | babilen | boudiccas: It is "Right Click → Edit → Current Profile or so ... http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-terminal/stable/gnome-terminal-prefs.html.en |
| 18:02.34 | babilen | " |
| 18:03.09 | johndo | gnome-terminal indeed has black letters on black ground now, smart :) |
| 18:03.25 | geggam | nothing to see here... move along |
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| 18:07.14 | listenpreis | pparadis: do you know some solution? |
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| 18:10.08 | boudiccas | dondelelcaro: babilen; thanks, sorted now |
| 18:10.41 | babilen | yw |
| 18:11.13 | nvz | sodium chloride and h20, is a solution known as saline. heh. I don't know what kind of solution you're looking for though |
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| 18:11.40 | listenpreis | nvz: dude this is not #meth |
| 18:12.00 | geggam | iodine + ammonia |
| 18:12.08 | geggam | shake it :) |
| 18:12.40 | babilen | listenpreis: If you have a question you might just want to ask it -- It seems as if you either never did that or that pparadis is not sure what you are referring to. |
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| 18:14.26 | nvz | saline is good for you, its got nothing to do with meth |
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| 18:16.46 | Amnesia | question, I'm trying to set up a static dns entry |
| 18:16.54 | Amnesia | and added 1.1.1.1 bla.com to /etc/host |
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| 18:17.02 | Amnesia | /etc/hosts * |
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| 18:17.14 | Amnesia | for some reason it isn't taking effect though |
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| 18:19.48 | nvz | Amnesia: dns entries go in /etc/resolv.conf not /etc/hosts |
| 18:20.01 | pparadis | s/entries/resolvers/ ;) |
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| 18:20.07 | Amnesia | I'm talking about a static dns name |
| 18:20.10 | Amnesia | not a dns server |
| 18:20.15 | Amnesia | 1.1.1.1 foobar.com |
| 18:20.18 | Amnesia | for example |
| 18:20.33 | pparadis | Amnesia: /etc/hosts is the place to do that for the local machine, sure. |
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| 18:20.42 | pparadis | Amnesia: please note the "s" on the end of "hosts" |
| 18:20.43 | nvz | Amnesia: ah, well then yes.. you got that right. but it only applies to that machine |
| 18:20.47 | Amnesia | yeah |
| 18:20.54 | Amnesia | I know it does |
| 18:21.04 | Amnesia | but for some reason the static dns entry doesn't take effect |
| 18:21.08 | Amnesia | (locally ofc) |
| 18:21.19 | kesroesweyth | clear local dns cache? |
| 18:21.23 | Amnesia | how? |
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| 18:21.33 | Amnesia | ( /etc/nsswitch.conf ) is correct |
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| 18:21.43 | kesroesweyth | reboot? |
| 18:21.51 | kesroesweyth | or /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:22.02 | head7 | hi, I am on debian wheezy, and when I do a shutdown in the console : halt, all processus seems to be shutdown, but the fan of the laptop continue to run (I need to press the shutdown button for a while to cut everythings), my laptop is a m6400 precision and it's attached to the dock, do you have any clue ? |
| 18:22.04 | kesroesweyth | iirc |
| 18:22.11 | pparadis | Amnesia: how are you testing that? |
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| 18:22.20 | pparadis | Amnesia: if you're using the "host" command, it doesn't consult /etc/hosts. |
| 18:22.22 | Amnesia | host/ping |
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| 18:22.54 | Amnesia | hm you're right about host |
| 18:22.56 | Amnesia | but ping should work |
| 18:23.01 | pparadis | nod |
| 18:23.07 | Amnesia | wut? |
| 18:23.15 | pparadis | i said "nod" |
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| 18:24.14 | Amnesia | hm |
| 18:24.23 | Amnesia | don't get it:0 |
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| 18:24.37 | nvz | affirmative |
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| 18:24.53 | pparadis | which has now become --> http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpe2xqC42E1qetbbj.gif |
| 18:25.19 | Amnesia | heh |
| 18:25.34 | Amnesia | does ping consult the /etc/hosts file? |
| 18:25.39 | pparadis | Amnesia: if you're still experiencing difficulties, please pastebin your /etc/hosts (unredacted, IP addresses are not secret information, don't make it hard to help you) and ping output, etc. |
| 18:26.31 | Amnesia | dafuq |
| 18:26.33 | Amnesia | it's working now |
| 18:26.43 | Amnesia | strange |
| 18:26.46 | pparadis | great to hear |
| 18:27.02 | Amnesia | anyway |
| 18:27.03 | Amnesia | thx |
| 18:27.07 | pparadis | sure thing |
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| 18:37.43 | baronobeefdip | Hello I need to know an easy way to open up port 6000 in Debian Squeeze |
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| 18:39.13 | nvz | baronobeefdip: there is no reason that port would be closed unless you closed it.. if you have something listening on that port, then its open |
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| 18:40.42 | baronobeefdip | I just installed the Debian operating system them reoved the no tcp listen line in /etc/X11/xserverrc file then ran nmap and port 6000 was still not opened. assume I just did a fresh installation of debian, What do i need to do to get the port open because it is not opened in the default installation |
| 18:40.56 | asdfds | eh |
| 18:41.14 | pparadis | did you actually restart the X server? |
| 18:41.22 | baronobeefdip | yes |
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| 18:41.47 | baronobeefdip | but after installing the operating system where do i go from there, I want to know the steps to take from the beginning |
| 18:42.10 | pparadis | please note that "port open" doesn't mean what you think it means. the port is already open unless you're restricting access to it with iptables or ebtables. the questions is really "is anything bound to / listening on that port?" |
| 18:42.15 | nvz | baronobeefdip: I think you need to check with netstat (perhaps netstat -pant) that there is even anything lisening on that port |
| 18:42.24 | pparadis | exactly. netstat is your friend. |
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| 18:42.32 | nvz | yes the port is not closed or blocked unless you blocked it specifically |
| 18:42.44 | asdfds | use netstat |
| 18:42.52 | nvz | if its showing closed with nmap all that means is there is nothing listening on that port |
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| 18:43.24 | baronobeefdip | I just installed debian and did nothing and did an nmap and the port wasn't shown in the opened port list so i don't think it's opened by default in the squeeze installation |
| 18:43.31 | baronobeefdip | how do I make it start lisening then |
| 18:43.38 | baronobeefdip | listening |
| 18:43.54 | pparadis | baronobeefdip: have you used netstat yet, or even read the man page for it? |
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| 18:44.32 | nvz | baronobeefdip: you need to just stop, and tell us what you're actually trying to do |
| 18:44.48 | baronobeefdip | I am trying to control the x server on another machine remotely |
| 18:45.00 | pparadis | to accomplish what? |
| 18:45.20 | nvz | baronobeefdip: do you have a specific protocol or purpose in mind? |
| 18:45.25 | baronobeefdip | I want to make the computer I am sitting at display images and videos on the remote machine, |
| 18:45.51 | baronobeefdip | no I have very little idea of what I am doing so I don't know |
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| 18:46.37 | baronobeefdip | the only ports that netstat is showing me are6072 and 6065 |
| 18:46.38 | nvz | baronobeefdip: best way to do that is just to use filesharing.. cause no method of forwarding an app that actually plays video from one machine to the other is gonna work |
| 18:46.52 | nvz | first of all remote framebuffer is too slow, secondly it will not handle audio |
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| 18:46.57 | baronobeefdip | then lets just stick with pictures and software |
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| 18:47.25 | nvz | !rfb |
| 18:47.26 | dpkg | RFB (remote framebuffer) is a simple protocol for remote access to graphical user interfaces. Ask me about <vnc>. |
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| 18:48.32 | baronobeefdip | so with remote frame buffer I will be able to create a remote display on another computer, Will i be able to create a tile display cluster |
| 18:48.58 | pparadis | i think i see what you want to do. |
| 18:49.18 | nvz | baronobeefdip: are these machines all going to be running side by side? |
| 18:49.23 | baronobeefdip | yes |
| 18:49.38 | nvz | baronobeefdip: because if thats the case you probably just want synergy, pulseaudio, and some form of file sharing |
| 18:49.42 | baronobeefdip | each machine will control its own display screen and the screens together will display a single image |
| 18:49.43 | pparadis | baronobeefdip: is this the sort of thing you want to do? http://www.linux-1u.net/X11/Quad/gstreamer.net/video-wall-howto.html |
| 18:50.09 | baronobeefdip | synergy wasn't suppossed to be necessary since the xdmx app handled it |
| 18:50.18 | baronobeefdip | multi overhade handled the mouse on the other displays |
| 18:51.29 | baronobeefdip | So is it possible to create a tile display cluster with debian squeeze machines |
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| 18:51.46 | nvz | beyond my scope and interest.. |
| 18:52.59 | nvz | trying to do all that over a network where each machine is handling its own hardware is a huge waste of resources, what you need is to just put all the video cards in one machine and save power and aggrivation and use xinerama |
| 18:53.13 | boudiccas | i've just reinstalled squeeze after a foray into ubuntu 12.04 and xfce, which seemed very light and insubstantial and prone to have programs crash out on me. gnome 3 tended to just crash and drop me back at the login screen, but squeeze is rock solid, substantial and stable, and just works out of the box. i was also pleased to see that with a working internet connection it automatically updated during installation, kudos to debian squeeze! |
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| 18:54.08 | baronobeefdip | I want to do it over a network, It will be on it's own private network So i am not concerned about network resources, I don't want more than one card on a single machine I am trying to make a clustered display machine |
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| 18:56.43 | baronobeefdip | yes pparadis, but xinerama stretches the desktop, I want to control the displays from a single machine, I don't want to desktop to be stretched. If you can go to http://sagecommons.org a take a look, that is exactly what I want to do |
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| 19:01.16 | TheReaper | Hey, I got a problem with nfs after a kernel upgrade - on the clients showmounts -e IP outputs clnt_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive |
| 19:01.29 | TheReaper | but on the server this comand works and all mounts are listed |
| 19:01.38 | TheReaper | it worked until I did a kernel upgrade on the server |
| 19:01.42 | baronobeefdip | sage calls it an optiportal, ROCKS calls it a vizwall and others call it a powerwall |
| 19:01.42 | TheReaper | any ideas? |
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| 19:03.13 | jelly-home | TheReaper: which debian release on the server? Version of rpcbind or portmap package installed? |
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| 19:03.44 | TheReaper | debian squeeze |
| 19:04.08 | TheReaper | always the most recent packages |
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| 19:04.42 | TheReaper | from the debian repositories |
| 19:05.07 | TheReaper | portmap: 6.0.0-2 |
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| 19:07.25 | jelly-home | TheReaper: is portmap running with any unusual parameters or is there a firewall present? |
| 19:07.44 | TheReaper | nope, just fail2ban but iptables -L is empty |
| 19:07.50 | TheReaper | and no parameters at att |
| 19:07.53 | TheReaper | all* |
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| 19:08.05 | TheReaper | in /etc/defaults/portmap it says OPTIONS="" |
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| 19:08.46 | jelly-home | good. does it listen on any interface? lsof -np $(pgrep -x portmap) |
| 19:09.03 | jelly-home | portmap 2628 daemon 4u IPv4 7272 UDP *:sunrpc |
| 19:09.03 | jelly-home | portmap 2628 daemon 5u IPv4 7273 TCP *:sunrpc (LISTEN) |
| 19:09.49 | Ironhand | anyone know of a way in Debian Squeeze to set up crypttab+fstab entries in such a way that I can mount or unmount an encrypted filesystem with a single command? (other than creating a shell script for it) |
| 19:11.16 | TheReaper | portmap 1829 daemon 4u unix 0xffff88011f1d2700 0t0 5064 socket portmap 1829 daemon 5u IPv4 5066 0t0 UDP *:sunrpc portmap 1829 daemon 6u IPv4 5067 0t0 TCP *:sunrpc (LISTEN) |
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| 19:11.24 | streuner_ | mpg321 http://87.230.55.91:7592/ |
| 19:11.26 | streuner_ | Peter Frampton - Do You Feel Like I Do (Live In Detroit 1999) |
| 19:11.47 | babilen | streuner_: Not here - Thank you. |
| 19:11.49 | jelly-home | TheReaper: seems fine. /etc/hosts.allow lists allows _IP addresses_ for the clients? |
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| 19:11.52 | TheReaper | if i do showmounts -e 10.31.146.30 on the server - it shows the mounts |
| 19:12.08 | TheReaper | of i do the same on the client: clnt_create: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive |
| 19:12.09 | jelly-home | TheReaper: note, have to be numeric addresses |
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| 19:12.22 | jelly-home | (for portmap) |
| 19:12.28 | TheReaper | ALL: 10.31.146. |
| 19:12.30 | streuner_ | babilen: listen to it, because you are an OP its another question ;-) |
| 19:12.31 | TheReaper | that's the only entry |
| 19:12.34 | jelly-home | righto |
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| 19:12.59 | jelly-home | TheReaper: does "rpcinfo -p 10.31.146.30" work from a client? |
| 19:13.19 | extrasolar | Hi I need to install the ardunio IDE I have done but when I run it this error appears http://pastie.org/4441493 |
| 19:13.22 | extrasolar | what could it be ? |
| 19:13.23 | TheReaper | portmapper couldn't be reached |
| 19:13.32 | jelly-home | TheReaper: check your firewall. |
| 19:13.34 | TheReaper | connection refused by the server |
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| 19:13.49 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I heard that Wheezy will ditch Gnome. |
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| 19:13.56 | TheReaper | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination fail2ban-ssh tcp -- anywhere anywhere multiport dports ssh Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination Chain fail2ban-ssh (1 references) target prot opt source |
| 19:14.02 | TheReaper | the firewall is clean |
| 19:14.03 | mroe | Rosenzweig|Deb: only as the default desktop |
| 19:14.07 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Yea. |
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| 19:14.16 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Does that mean Wheezy is not frozen anymore? |
| 19:14.28 | jelly-home | TheReaper: some other firewall, then. You could verify whether the traffic reached the server using tcpdump in the server. |
| 19:14.37 | mroe | the default desktop choice has nothing to do with the frozen state of wheezy |
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| 19:15.17 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Someone had mentioned it to me, so I thought maybe that meant that Wheezy wasn't frozen anymore. |
| 19:15.29 | jelly-home | Rosenzweig|Deb: it won't "ditch Gnome", Gnome just won't be the default desktop present on first CD/DVD. |
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| 19:15.44 | jelly-home | Rosenzweig|Deb: still frozen. |
| 19:15.56 | TheReaper | but what other firewall could be there |
| 19:16.01 | Rosenzweig|Deb | jelly-home, I know that |
| 19:16.05 | Rosenzweig|Deb | I meant it ditched Gnome as default. |
| 19:16.17 | jelly-home | TheReaper: ask your network admin(s) |
| 19:16.36 | TheReaper | well the point is this stuff worked till the kernel upgrade |
| 19:16.43 | TheReaper | so the network should be okay |
| 19:16.54 | no_maam | Hi |
| 19:16.58 | no_maam | I have a small problem |
| 19:17.06 | no_maam | I have installed a new debian system |
| 19:17.10 | no_maam | and I have an old system |
| 19:17.18 | jelly-home | TheReaper: it might be, but it's worth verifying and excluding it as a source of the problem |
| 19:17.26 | no_maam | can I automatically install all packages on the new system that are installed on the old one? |
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| 19:17.46 | jelly-home | TheReaper: what's your current "uname -a"? |
| 19:17.49 | no_maam | however, I assume that there might be some which are not from the official sources, they should be skipped in that step |
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| 19:18.06 | jelly-home | TheReaper: does going back to older kernel restore functionality? |
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| 19:18.38 | TheReaper | I didn't try this so far |
| 19:19.27 | Devastator | better than "oh, i deleted the older kernel" |
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| 19:24.38 | TheReaper | jelly-home: how to easily go back to the old kernel? |
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| 19:25.02 | jelly-home | TheReaper: just choose it on the boot loader menu |
| 19:25.39 | extrasolar | I fixed it, I needed the 64 bit veersion |
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| 19:31.45 | johndo | is it possible to move windows between subscreens of an X server, e.g. between :0.0 and :0.1? |
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| 19:32.37 | johndo | and if so, are ther window managers which support that? |
| 19:32.49 | TheReaper | okay jelly-home there is no firewall on the network |
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| 19:33.07 | TheReaper | I just installed quite the same setup on another host of the infrastructure and everything works like a charm |
| 19:33.18 | TheReaper | it needs to be something with the exact server |
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| 19:35.20 | JordiGH | Can someone please remind me how to bootstrap a Debian chroot? |
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| 19:35.40 | nvz | JordiGH: with debootstrap |
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| 19:36.06 | JordiGH | So... |
| 19:36.17 | nvz | JordiGH: so read the manpage.. its really simple |
| 19:37.01 | JordiGH | alright, thanks, I couldn't remember the name of the first step. |
| 19:37.30 | nvz | there is only one step.. debootstrap |
| 19:37.34 | nvz | heh |
| 19:37.41 | jelly-home | TheReaper: could be. are you patching or building your kernel with unusual features? |
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| 19:38.14 | TheReaper | no not at all |
| 19:38.27 | JordiGH | nvz: No, once that's done, I still have to mess around with other crap to actually get the chroot in a usable state. |
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| 19:39.20 | nvz | JordiGH: no, not really.. once thats done you have an install in a directory, then all you need to do is chroot /directory |
| 19:39.32 | shevy | do debian package files always have to include data.tar.gz? or can it be data.tar.xz too |
| 19:39.44 | nvz | JordiGH: you may want to use schroot if you want to more easily run apps within the chroot as though you were running them on your host install |
| 19:39.47 | jelly-home | nvz: debootstrap fails at resolv.conf and other things |
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| 19:40.35 | nvz | jelly-home: you lost me there.. but yes it does all depend on the task at hand. However as far as bootstrapping a chroot there is only one step |
| 19:40.57 | nvz | the rest is not part of the bootstrapping process, its part of configuring the chroot for a specific need |
| 19:41.14 | jelly-home | "working dns" isn't THAT specific! |
| 19:41.30 | pparadis | jelly-home: i wouldn't call that a "fail" since resolv.conf can either be managed through DHCP/resolvconf or is going to be custom anyhow and therefore not predictable by debootstrap |
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| 19:42.03 | nvz | idk nowhere on my screen or in that question I responded to mentioned anything about dns |
| 19:42.22 | jelly-home | pparadis: it's _very_ easy to clone the settings off the host. |
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| 19:42.53 | pparadis | jelly-home: you're absolutely right. so as part of your debootstrap process, add a command to copy the /etc/resolv.conf from the host if that's what you want. |
| 19:43.07 | jelly-home | pparadis: I do. debootstrap doesn't. |
| 19:43.19 | pparadis | jelly-home: to be more specific, it isn't desirable for debootstrap to do that. it causes more pain that it solves. |
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| 19:43.36 | pparadis | jelly-home: you really need to think about where people commonly use debootstrap. |
| 19:43.37 | jelly-home | that's just one obvious thing it fails to do that's really really generic |
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| 19:44.04 | letsgetwet20 | If i manage my own dns server do I have to make additional .db files for each additional domain that I would like to manage? |
| 19:44.35 | pparadis | again, it don't _want_ it to do that, and for good reason. there is no guarantee that the resolv.conf i am using on the host will be valid where the contents of the debootstrap operation wind up (in other words, on another host, in another datacenter, needing different resolvers for other reasons [internal vs external]) |
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| 19:45.30 | jelly-home | pparadis: I've been using using for various purposes (building env, bootstrapping a different arch, installing debian) and I could probably name a couple more things it could do without breaking a sweat in any of those |
| 19:45.51 | pparadis | oh for sure, i won't disagree there, i'm just saying the resolv.conf deal is for a good reason :) |
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| 19:46.27 | pparadis | letsgetwet20: what version of debian are you using, what DNS server daemon are you running, etc? |
| 19:46.27 | jelly-home | we'll just have to agree to disagree, then |
| 19:46.31 | pparadis | yeah :) |
| 19:46.58 | letsgetwet20 | pparadis: I'm running squeeze fully updated,with BIND as my dns server |
| 19:47.42 | letsgetwet20 | I have one domain that I can get to resolve (The one I made nameservers for) and then made a virtual host with apache. Is there any additional configuration I need to be doing? |
| 19:47.45 | pparadis | letsgetwet20: you generally want to have a zone file for each domain --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_file |
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| 19:48.16 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: in those cases, you probably want one of the many wrappers around debootstrap; debootstrap itself really shouldn't get bogged down in all of the special cases necessary for every single thing that uses debootstrap |
| 19:48.23 | dondelelcaro | (or write your own wrapper) |
| 19:48.31 | pparadis | letsgetwet20: it's also really helpful for you to provide the actual domain name(s) in question, as without them it will probably be difficult to help you. |
| 19:48.49 | pparadis | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's basically my view. |
| 19:49.11 | letsgetwet20 | pparadis: So then in the nameserver for the zone file would I put the nameservers that I made previously? |
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| 19:49.31 | boudiccas | how do i get firefox to use transmission for downloading torrent under debian squeeze please? |
| 19:49.31 | pparadis | letsgetwet20: it sounds like you don't have any experience with bind or zone files. is that accurate? |
| 19:49.39 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: the existance of said wrappers does not make its failure to do obviously useful, and at best not-harmful features less of a bug |
| 19:49.40 | dondelelcaro | (for example, debootstrap doesn't set up an fstab, doesn't bind mount anything for a chroot, doesn't set up networking, copy /etc/passwd, or do any of the other things that you might need depending on what you're doing) |
| 19:49.42 | letsgetwet20 | pparaids: correct |
| 19:50.16 | jelly-home | at worst* not harmful |
| 19:50.24 | pparadis | letsgetwet20: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ |
| 19:50.26 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: additional features aren't always correct to add to a tool; the less custom configuration and stomping about debootstrap or cdebootstrap does, the better |
| 19:50.56 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: for example, in this case, the right solution is probably not actually a cp, but a bind mount |
| 19:51.32 | pparadis | letsgetwet20: please thoroughly read through that material. it's important to understand the basics of what you're doing before you proceed, and this channel really isn't designed to help you with that. we're here to help you when you get stuck on something specific, and to guide you in the right direction. |
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| 19:52.05 | pparadis | dondelelcaro: jelly-home: this should probably be continue in -offtopic ;) |
| 19:52.06 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: so you agree "working dns" is a worthwhile feature <g> |
| 19:52.15 | pparadis | s/continue/continued/ |
| 19:52.22 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: not for debootstrap, no. But for a chroot, sure. |
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| 19:55.06 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: and at the risk of getting even more off topic, this is kind of a fundamental unix design philosophy: Small tools, that do one thing, do it well, and are designed to be easily integrated with other tools to cover the universe of problems |
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| 19:57.13 | letsgetwet20 | pparadis: Can you give me a little jumpstart? Would i make an additional domain (Entirely different ex. joeblow.com vs jurassic.com) a master zone or a slave to my first configured one? |
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| 19:57.26 | Synthead | OpenOffice.org Writer doesn't start on Debian 6 stable. Running oowriter from a console simply exits silently with no error. Any thoughts? |
| 19:57.28 | JordiGH | Hm, how can I symlink my current homedir to the chroot. |
| 19:57.30 | JordiGH | ? |
| 19:57.50 | pparadis | letsgetwet20: no slaving involved here from what i can tell, unless you're talking about slaving nameservers themselves. |
| 19:57.55 | nvz | Synthead: create a new user, try it again |
| 19:58.05 | jelly-home | JordiGH: use a bind-mount instead |
| 19:58.13 | Synthead | jordanm: ln -s /where/your/link/should/go /what/the/link/will/be/called |
| 19:58.22 | pparadis | letsgetwet20: really, you need to go through that information. you might also want to /join #bind |
| 19:58.22 | nvz | Synthead: if that doesn't tell you anything new, you will want to strace |
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| 19:58.55 | Synthead | nvz: I'm doing some testing on what's normally a headless VM, so I'm running it as root. is that an issue (outside of normal precautions)? |
| 19:59.35 | nvz | Synthead: not that I'm aware of, but when an app fails to run I always try a fresh user to rule out local configuration |
| 19:59.52 | jelly-home | Synthead: since the meaning of / changes, symlinks don't point to the same path inside and outside the chroot |
| 20:00.03 | Synthead | nvz: well, no OOo config files for root, but I did su to a user and it launched :p |
| 20:00.40 | johndo | i get a CPU soft lock (udevd, modprobe) when i start a wheezy or sid kvm image from a wheezy host |
| 20:00.46 | Synthead | jelly-home, right |
| 20:00.55 | johndo | any idea what kvm options i could try to prevent that? |
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| 20:01.19 | pparadis | johndo: are you using an AMD proc? |
| 20:01.33 | johndo | pparadis: no, intel core2 |
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| 20:01.48 | pparadis | johndo: no clue then, all my KVM hosts are running squeeze. |
| 20:01.50 | johndo | and i386 installation if that matters |
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| 20:02.02 | pparadis | johndo: logs would probably be useful. |
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| 20:02.14 | cardamon | Doing an ssh-key keypair for my netbook to visit home to my desktop securely so I can stop signing in with my user/pass like an idiot. Is there any wisdom on which type of key or length to use? I heard DSA can't be used to encrypt, only sign data, and RSA2 of small lengths is crackable. |
| 20:02.31 | pparadis | johndo: #kvm might also be more helpful. |
| 20:02.42 | johndo | wheezy images on squeeze are running fine, also a squeeze image under wheezy, only wheezy under wheezy does not start |
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| 20:02.47 | cardamon | Especially when I start seeing some naughty attempts to poke through my firewall on port 22 by people not me. |
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| 20:03.18 | johndo | pparadis: i guess that's more a problem of the debian kernel, but maybe |
| 20:03.45 | pparadis | johndo: i'm not sure of that, mostly because no logs or really any output has been provided :) |
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| 20:04.12 | johndo | pparadis: just looking how i can redirect vm console ... |
| 20:04.16 | pparadis | johndo: it certainly sounds like something the KVM guys would be interested in hearing about, though, on the chance that it's some freakish bug manifesting in KVM. |
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| 20:04.29 | pparadis | are you getting the softlocks on the host or guest side? |
| 20:04.38 | johndo | pparadis: guest |
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| 20:05.03 | pparadis | that is odd. |
| 20:05.31 | johndo | pparadis: on the host only the CPU is on full load ;) |
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| 20:06.57 | pparadis | johndo: on the host, "virsh dumpxml your-vm-name | grep pty" will give you the pty you need to connect to on the host, or you can just do "virsh console your-vm-name" on the host as well. |
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| 20:07.50 | johndo | pparadis: not that complex, it's a manual kvm start, without libvirt :) |
| 20:08.23 | pparadis | johndo: well, in that case it's still going to have a pty assigned to it. |
| 20:09.08 | pparadis | johndo: although i would ask why you're not using the tools that libvirt requires; i've built my infrastructure around those tools, and things are quite solid. |
| 20:09.15 | pparadis | s/requires/provides/ |
| 20:10.06 | johndo | pparadis: this is only my desktop system where i have some images i mostly use for sporadic tests |
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| 20:10.17 | johndo | on the server i of course use libvirt |
| 20:10.34 | pparadis | johndo: there are going to be quemu-kvm settings that will make things work smoothly with respect to various guest operating systems, and you really don't want to figure all that out and manage it yourself. if i were you, i'd truly just use virt-manager to build these VMs and virsh to manage them. |
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| 20:12.01 | pparadis | johndo: more to the point, i can spin up a wheezy VM right now with no trouble. now admittedly the host is running squeeze, but i create my base install images by installing via virt-manager on a debian desktop system first, then i tune the resulting images to my needs. |
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| 20:12.38 | johndo | pparadis: as i said, these images were running fine on squeeze before |
| 20:12.50 | johndo | the problem is since i upgraded the host to wheezy |
| 20:12.51 | pparadis | johndo: sure, i'm thinking you're missing a flag that kvm wants. |
| 20:13.17 | pparadis | but really the best people to talk to about this will still be #kvm folks, or possibly guys in #debian-next |
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| 20:14.14 | pparadis | johndo: did the upgrade to wheezy go smoothly, as in did it finish properly as far as you can tell? when you run "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" do you see anything out of place? |
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| 20:14.53 | johndo | pparadis: not smoothly, rather the opposite, but it finished properly as far as i can tell |
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| 20:15.25 | pparadis | johndo: when you say "not smoothly" did you happen to retain notes regarding things you encountered, specific messages, etc during the upgrade? |
| 20:16.02 | ompaul | johndo: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade please follow that with apt-cache policy in a pastebin of course you rebooted after you got finished with the dist-upgrade this one or the one before |
| 20:16.08 | johndo | pparadis: a few, yes |
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| 20:16.27 | ompaul | johndo: I think I can say pparadis would like the output of thaqt |
| 20:16.41 | pparadis | for sure |
| 20:20.05 | pparadis | johndo: i've actually got to run out for about 30 minutes, but will be back. |
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| 20:20.45 | johndo | pparadis: maybe i've found out more then |
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| 20:22.24 | ompaul | johndo: can you do that apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade please |
| 20:22.42 | ompaul | johndo: let's see where you are at - even if you don't commit the changes let's see what's what |
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| 20:23.52 | johndo | ompaul: they only moan about some kept back packages from dmo, all debian packages are updated |
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| 20:24.48 | ompaul | johndo: do a apt-cache policy then and paste.debian.net that please |
| 20:24.50 | johndo | i probably have to remove those as they would require me to upgrade libraries from dmo which i dont want |
| 20:25.10 | ompaul | johndo: hash out debian multimedia then please |
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| 20:29.52 | johndo | ompaul: argh, now i get a libreoffice update from wheezy with the updated source list ... that will take a while, i'm on a slow connection |
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| 20:30.21 | Skutr34 | Hey, I just installed Squeeze using a wired connection, and I need help getting a wireless interface. Can anyone help? |
| 20:31.01 | streuner_ | Skutr34: the installer use only WEP |
| 20:31.33 | Skutr34 | streuner: I'm not on the installer... |
| 20:31.42 | ompaul | johndo: seriously a fully upgraded system is what you want - not one of these silly "safe upgrade" things which break stuff more than you want and make people think four times instead of thinking before comitting, does this kill what I want or something else |
| 20:31.44 | ompaul | etc |
| 20:32.12 | ompaul | safe upgrade is for "I have version X" I want to move the to the next "stable of X+1" |
| 20:32.35 | ompaul | dist-upgrade is for moving along the unstable / testing world |
| 20:32.35 | BlitzHere | Hi |
| 20:32.44 | ompaul | anything else is ARGH country |
| 20:32.59 | streuner_ | Skutr34: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 20:33.24 | johndo | pparadis, ompaul: ha, i got the culprit, with single core setup for the guest the vm boots, with -smp 2 it fails |
| 20:33.44 | ompaul | johndo: as he said - a flagh |
| 20:34.01 | johndo | sure, but that flag worked before on squeeze ;) |
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| 20:34.15 | streuner_ | Skutr34: the installer isnt able to use WPA |
| 20:34.16 | BlitzHere | I'm in the market for a new laptop. I haven't decided on any model yet but I had a very good experience with debian the last time I installed it and want to put that on the laptop too as the primary OS. How can I make sure that all the hardware is compatible? |
| 20:34.19 | johndo | and now i only have one cpu in the guest |
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| 20:34.56 | Skutr34 | streuner: I mean, I don't have a wireless interface at all.... |
| 20:35.06 | johndo | and that was my first question, what kvm option (flag) to try to get it to boot :) |
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| 20:35.39 | ompaul | johndo: the clue was in your history file |
| 20:36.10 | johndo | ompaul: history of what? |
| 20:36.12 | ompaul | BlitzHere: I'd say get an intel box like the lenovo t420i or something like that |
| 20:36.21 | ompaul | johndo: type history on the command line |
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| 20:36.47 | Skutr34 | I need help getting one installed so I can connect to my wireless network, streuner. |
| 20:36.50 | johndo | ompaul: sorry, i don't get what you mean |
| 20:36.52 | ompaul | BlitzHere: and drop back before you do the install or take note of the image |
| 20:37.19 | ompaul | johndo: type history on the command line - hit enter watch your previous commands - the clue was something you were calling and didn't want |
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| 20:37.33 | dvs | Skutr34: So you want some sort of recommendation? |
| 20:37.37 | ompaul | BlitzHere: I'm about to get the bot to send you |
| 20:37.45 | streuner_ | Skutr34: iwlist scan |
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| 20:37.51 | ompaul | !tell BlitzHere about kmuto |
| 20:37.53 | mutante | when using multiple displays how do i change again which of them shows the menu bar? |
| 20:38.05 | johndo | ompaul: i always did run kvm with the '-smp 2' option and it always worked before |
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| 20:38.20 | Guest4123 | I am trying to upgrade acroread, and it gives me errors of authentication. What to do? |
| 20:38.22 | johndo | JohnDoh: that's a regression in wheezy |
| 20:38.27 | mutante | like i can change resolutions and switch them around from right to left, but just one shows the menu .. (in wheezy that is( |
| 20:38.31 | BlitzHere | ompaul: I haven't gotten the laptop yet. I have barely started looking around. My only requirements are that all the hardware be compatible with linux, more specifically debian, and a numpad... |
| 20:38.31 | Skutr34 | dvs, I would like help getting a works interface. |
| 20:38.37 | johndo | ompaul: ^ |
| 20:39.03 | streuner_ | Skutr34: just run "iwlist scan" |
| 20:39.07 | Skutr34 | streuner, none of the interfaces support scanning. |
| 20:39.17 | BlitzHere | I'm just wondering how to go about making sure everything is compatible before purchase |
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| 20:39.23 | ompaul | johndo: I read that - obviously you don't see my sense of irony - it was in the previous command |
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| 20:39.35 | arthurdent | i installed 3.2 from squeeze backports but after a restart uname -r still returns 2.6 |
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| 20:40.17 | streuner_ | Skutr34: thats bad, because the kernel supported your WLAN interface at all then yet |
| 20:40.28 | johndo | ompaul: sorry, my english is probably to bad to understand that irony |
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| 20:41.09 | Skutr34 | streuner_, what can I do to fix it? |
| 20:41.39 | streuner_ | Skutr34: well, first find out what kind of chipset you use, (lspci -nn) |
| 20:42.05 | dvs | gets ready to strike at Broadcomm |
| 20:42.49 | Guest4123 | I am trying to upgrade acroread, and it gives me errors of authentication. What to do? |
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| 20:43.39 | Skutr34 | Hold on. |
| 20:43.41 | BlitzHere | So, I can get a lot of laptops without an OS, or with freedos where I live. Most people just get themselves a pirated version of windows but I want to my own customized debian. The problem is that I have no idea how to go about making sure all the hardware has linux drivers :P |
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| 20:44.32 | arthurdent | does anyone know why my kernel update didn't take effect? it says it's installed in aptitude, but uname -r returns the old kernel |
| 20:44.50 | Guest4123 | Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 20:44.56 | johndo | pparadis, ompaul: i guess the apt output is not of interest anymore, if still: http://paste.debian.net/182981/ |
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| 20:45.05 | johndo | arthurdent: you have rebooted? |
| 20:45.10 | arthurdent | johndo: yes |
| 20:45.20 | jelly-home | BlitzHere: boot a live cd or live usb, look at and save lspci, lsusb, lspci -n and lsusb -n outputs, the investigate the brand and model and the hardware |
| 20:45.39 | johndo | arthurdent: and you had the new kernel in the boot list (from grub)? |
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| 20:45.51 | arthurdent | johndo: oh, i bet that's the problem, thanks |
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| 20:47.32 | streuner_ | Skutr34: (in most cases you just need firmware...) |
| 20:47.35 | skutr34_ | streuner_: output of lspci -nn: http://pastebin.com/UU6aGAkn |
| 20:47.54 | skutr34_ | streuner_: I have firmware for the wireless card on a flash drive |
| 20:48.11 | skutr34_ | Should I just install that? |
| 20:48.21 | fleeky | anyone have experience getting the nvidia drivers working on wheezy |
| 20:48.30 | fleeky | i do the 'debian way' |
| 20:48.37 | fleeky | and it fails everytime |
| 20:48.40 | BlitzHere | jelly-home: Finding a retailer that has the exact model for me to test doesn't work quite well, unfortunately. More often than not, they have a similar model.but not the exact one. I was hoping there was a website somewhere detailing hardware compatibility |
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| 20:48.47 | dvs | ,pciid 1814:5390 |
| 20:48.48 | streuner_ | skutr34_: in /lib/firmware |
| 20:48.48 | judd | [1814:5390] is 'RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe' from 'Ralink corp.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rt2800pci' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:5390 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800pci |
| 20:48.52 | woshty | fleeky: pray, quit and use vesa? ;) |
| 20:48.56 | jelly-home | fleeky: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms worked for me |
| 20:48.59 | fleeky | manual xorg creation doesnt work |
| 20:49.03 | Oliver` | I'm running a Usenet client as a new user I've created -- usenet -- what's the best way to secure this account? What are the best practices? So far I've set it so usenet cannot be logged into via SSH, but I doub tthat this is enough. |
| 20:49.10 | fleeky | jelly, i guess ill try that again |
| 20:49.19 | fleeky | but i keep getting complaints about the nouveau driver |
| 20:49.31 | fleeky | like it loads both and gets confused or something |
| 20:49.40 | streuner_ | skutr34_: you heard what dvs us told, you need a newer kernel... |
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| 20:49.52 | jelly-home | the nouveau driver that the dpkg factoid procedure blacklists? |
| 20:50.12 | fleeky | the nouveau driver that gets installed automatically |
| 20:50.16 | BlitzHere | fleeky: nvidia-xconfig? |
| 20:50.19 | fleeky | im wondering do i need to remove it |
| 20:50.20 | jelly-home | fleeky: the same one, then |
| 20:50.26 | fleeky | BlitzHere, it doesnt work |
| 20:50.36 | jelly-home | fleeky: read and follow the factoid carefully |
| 20:50.38 | fleeky | it creates a borked xconfig |
| 20:50.50 | BlitzHere | You need to shut off X server first, if I'm not mistaken |
| 20:51.02 | jelly-home | BlitzHere: you're mistaken. |
| 20:51.03 | fleeky | BlitzHere, ofco |
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| 20:51.22 | fleeky | jelly-home, can you link to exactly which factoid you are mentioning |
| 20:51.23 | BlitzHere | fleeky, what card do.you have? |
| 20:51.23 | jelly-home | not a prequisite if a reboot to make the blacklist activated is done |
| 20:51.28 | fleeky | gtx 670 |
| 20:51.31 | jelly-home | fleeky: /msg dpkg nvidia dkms |
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| 20:51.51 | fleeky | oic |
| 20:51.58 | fleeky | the use of dpkg confused me |
| 20:52.02 | fleeky | didnt realize it was a bot |
| 20:52.14 | jelly-home | dpkg: what are you |
| 20:52.15 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>. |
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| 20:52.21 | fleeky | jelly-home, this is for squeeze |
| 20:52.23 | fleeky | not wheezy |
| 20:52.38 | jelly-home | fleeky: I'm fully aware of what it says it's for. |
| 20:52.40 | skutr34_ | streuner_: It's probably out of date anyway because I just ran from the CD post-installation. However, apt-get dist-upgrade isn't getting anything. |
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| 20:53.25 | fleeky | hmm |
| 20:53.28 | fleeky | ill give it a shot thanks |
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| 20:53.51 | jelly-home | fleeky: the procedure still works, even if suboptimal. If you wish, you may install just the relevant linux-headers-$(uname -r) package instead of linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 20:54.06 | fleeky | yeah |
| 20:54.07 | streuner_ | Skutr34: you prolly need a backports kernel |
| 20:54.15 | fleeky | ive got the headers installed |
| 20:54.36 | streuner_ | Skutr34: /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:54.36 | fleeky | its just that dkms method did the same as all the others, but this is interestingg so ill try it |
| 20:54.43 | jelly-home | but [^-]*-[^-]*- looks like a funny emoticon, so there is that |
| 20:55.10 | fleeky | also its confusing that there is stuff in xorg.conf.d/ rather then just xorg.conf now |
| 20:55.13 | fleeky | whats the dif ? |
| 20:55.37 | jelly-home | you can get rid of xorg.conf (mostly. If you have just one display) |
| 20:55.53 | JordiGH | emacs24 isn't a trivial backport to squeeze. ;_; |
| 20:55.58 | JordiGH | I'm having trouble with the multiarch. |
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| 20:56.11 | johndo | jelly-home: that ends in the same kernel module as the nvidia-kernel-686-pae package installs? |
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| 20:56.34 | jelly-home | johndo: not the same, but the equivalent, yeah |
| 20:56.42 | johndo | (with the difference that it only needs 'official' packages)? |
| 20:56.53 | johndo | good to know |
| 20:57.05 | jelly-home | dkms builds it for the installed kernel |
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| 20:58.34 | whitenoise | guys |
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| 20:58.45 | whitenoise | how do i configure debian's exim4 to NOT queue up mails if it fails sending? |
| 20:58.47 | streuner_ | whitenoise: dude |
| 20:58.53 | whitenoise | streuner_, whoa. |
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| 20:59.17 | JordiGH | Is Emacs 24 gonna get a freeze exception? |
| 20:59.33 | dokma|2 | when ssh -X and then su X forwarding does not work, any workaround? |
| 20:59.47 | fleeky | heh |
| 20:59.50 | streuner_ | whitenoise: please ask #exim if you dont an answer here |
| 20:59.54 | fleeky | jelly-home, it worked, thank you |
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| 21:00.14 | fleeky | now i have to install xfce since this new gdm3 stuff looks crap |
| 21:00.18 | whitenoise | streuner_, i tried asking exim, they said: "we can't support debian's exim. they have a custom version." |
| 21:00.32 | streuner_ | BS |
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| 21:01.33 | fleeky | omg |
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| 21:01.44 | fleeky | how could gnome have made such poor decisions |
| 21:01.52 | dvs | blame the gov't |
| 21:02.16 | nvz | of canada! |
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| 21:02.21 | nvz | :-P |
| 21:02.23 | dvs | ha! |
| 21:02.24 | streuner_ | haha |
| 21:02.27 | fleeky | maybe there is some kindof .. workflow that i am missing |
| 21:02.29 | whitenoise | streuner_, |
| 21:02.30 | whitenoise | [16:00:47] <jgh_hm> go read the debian-specific documentation |
| 21:02.30 | whitenoise | [16:00:47] <jgh_hm> they do it differently to everyone else |
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| 21:02.43 | fleeky | but this just seems like 'oh hey lets make the desktop into a cellphone' idea |
| 21:02.46 | johndo | actually they made good decisions, it helped diversity :P |
| 21:02.46 | whitenoise | cannot find any relevant debian documentation |
| 21:03.01 | streuner_ | whitenoise: follow the advise then,they have more knowlegde about |
| 21:03.02 | fleeky | i can see why they are switching to xfce |
| 21:03.14 | fleeky | as the default wm |
| 21:03.25 | skutr34_ | streuner_: Okay. Should I install the bp kernel, boot into it and install my firmware? |
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| 21:03.43 | streuner_ | skutr34_: yes, thats what i would try then |
| 21:04.07 | skutr34_ | streuner_: All right |
| 21:04.51 | streuner_ | skutr34_: first thing is, to find out, what kind of kernel supports your hardware... |
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| 21:05.14 | streuner_ | skutr34_: it seems the squeeze one doenst it |
| 21:06.24 | skutr34_ | Be right back |
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| 21:14.49 | extrasolar | is thunderbird still the recommend email client for linux? |
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| 21:15.30 | nvz | I wasn't aware it ever was the recommended email client for linux |
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| 21:16.18 | Devastator | also thunderbird is EOL |
| 21:16.42 | xand | thunderbird isn't EOL... but it's not in debian :p |
| 21:17.00 | extrasolar | Hmm does Evolution have good gmail integration? |
| 21:17.31 | Devastator | xand mozilla is thinking about ending thunderbird development |
| 21:17.51 | nvz | gmail has imap I believe which means it works with pretty much anything |
| 21:18.15 | xand | Devastator: read the followups to the exaggerations |
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| 21:19.02 | Devastator | xand so they reconsidered? |
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| 21:20.19 | skutr34 | streuner_: I installed the kernel, and it doesn't boot. I just get a blurry-looking screen. |
| 21:20.37 | mutante | extrasolar: see Icedove |
| 21:20.54 | extrasolar | damn....just sorted out evolution |
| 21:21.13 | mutante | extrasolar: Icedove is to Thunderbird what Iceweasel is to Firefox |
| 21:21.17 | extrasolar | Oh I see |
| 21:21.26 | extrasolar | .....bad |
| 21:21.43 | woshty | or water is to wine |
| 21:21.50 | extrasolar | haha! |
| 21:22.10 | mutante | who cares, it's just about the logos |
| 21:22.40 | skutr34 | dvs: Do you know what it could be? |
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| 21:22.55 | woshty | extrasolar: it actually works pretty well lately |
| 21:23.07 | mutante | lol and when i said that all tab names/labels disappeared in Iceweasel :p |
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| 21:23.43 | dvs | skutr34: install the firmware-linux-nonfree package? |
| 21:23.49 | mutante | extrasolar: i would still prefer it over Evolution personally |
| 21:24.27 | skutr34 | dvs: Doing now. |
| 21:24.38 | dvs | from backports? |
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| 21:26.40 | extrasolar | I have a 6gb ram, i5 processor but when pidgin and flash are running my computer get so hot |
| 21:26.44 | skutr34 | dvs: How do I add the backports repo> |
| 21:26.48 | skutr34 | *? |
| 21:27.04 | dvs | skutr34: How did you get the newer kernel? |
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| 21:31.54 | skutr34 | dvs: I followed a guide. |
| 21:31.57 | skutr34 | dvs: Hold on |
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| 21:34.23 | woshty | how would i go about finding out details about why a dpkg process fails? |
| 21:34.24 | fishcooker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:37.46 | Ramapitecus | hi everybody |
| 21:37.54 | dvs | hi Dr. Nick! |
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| 21:39.09 | JordiGH | The emacs24 debian/rules has stuff like CFLAGS = `dpkg-buildflags --get CFLAGS`, but this isn't getting expanded properly. The backticks are getting passed verbatim as a shell variable to configure, which then errors out. Instead, I used $(shell dpkg-buildflags ...) |
| 21:39.15 | JordiGH | Are backticks supposed to work in Makefiles? |
| 21:39.19 | mutante | woshty: there is /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 21:40.14 | skutr34 | dvs: I installed nonfree and free firmware and made sure that backports was in sources.list.. I still can't boot the kernel... |
| 21:40.17 | woshty | mutante: thank you, i will take a look |
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| 21:42.07 | dvs | skutr34: Hmmm... the only other thing I can think of is that you need the backported version of udev too. |
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| 21:43.58 | skutr34 | dvs: What's the package name? |
| 21:44.03 | ansgar | JordiGH: Umm, d/rules for emacs24 does look like it would work? |
| 21:44.05 | dvs | udev |
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| 21:44.40 | JordiGH | ansgar: It didn't in squeeze. Are backticks ok? |
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| 21:44.54 | skutr34 | dvs: It says it's already installed. Is there a different version from backports? |
| 21:44.55 | JordiGH | ansgar: It seems to work now after I got rid of the backticks. |
| 21:44.57 | ansgar | JordiGH: Try http://paste.debian.net/182985/ |
| 21:45.03 | dvs | ,v udev |
| 21:45.04 | judd | Package: udev on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; squeeze: 164-3; wheezy: 175-3.1; sid: 175-5 |
| 21:45.35 | JordiGH | ansgar: I was getting "`echo foo`" |
| 21:45.59 | dvs | skutr34: Hmmm... I don't know what it could be then. |
| 21:46.11 | Ramapitecus | hi, I was wondering, debian installes the packages under '/usr'? |
| 21:46.12 | ansgar | JordiGH: Hmm? You mean: echo "`echo foo`" and another line with just foo? |
| 21:46.26 | JordiGH | ansgar: Yes. |
| 21:46.37 | Ramapitecus | I'm installing it, and I want to partition acordingle |
| 21:46.38 | skutr34 | dvs: So... I'm screwed? |
| 21:46.50 | Ramapitecus | y |
| 21:46.56 | JordiGH | ansgar: at any rate, that debian/rules was eventually passing bizarre CFLAGS to configure. |
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| 21:46.57 | skutr34 | Ramapitecus: accordingly* |
| 21:47.03 | skutr34 | ;0 |
| 21:47.06 | ansgar | JordiGH: So it works. It should work for the configure call just like that. |
| 21:47.12 | skutr34 | ;) |
| 21:47.13 | JordiGH | ansgar: Well, it doesn't. |
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| 21:47.27 | Ramapitecus | skutr34: I fixed it. thanks. |
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| 21:47.39 | JordiGH | ansgar: It appears you are in stage 1 or 2 debugging: http://bash.org/?950581 |
| 21:47.45 | dvs | skutr34: When does the screen go "funny"? |
| 21:48.19 | skutr34 | dvs: Right after it says booting version 2.88 and a bunch of other stuff.. I could copy it all down, but it's quite a bit. |
| 21:48.35 | dvs | what is the last of the "bunch of other stuff"? |
| 21:48.40 | ansgar | JordiGH: Blaming the user is always right :> How does the output from calling d/rules look like? |
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| 21:48.51 | skutr34 | dvs: I'll look |
| 21:49.00 | JordiGH | ansgar: Gimme a sec, I'm in the middle of a compilation... |
| 21:49.21 | JordiGH | ansgar: But basically, it looked like CFLAGS="`dpkg-buildflags...`" ./configure ... |
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| 21:49.40 | JordiGH | And that string with backticks was actually being passed onto gcc. |
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| 21:50.43 | ansgar | JordiGH: Hmm, strange. It should run that as a shell command and the shell do the substitution. |
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| 21:55.38 | Ramapitecus | no answer? |
| 21:55.58 | JordiGH | ansgar: Different make version in squeeze than sid? |
| 21:56.08 | JordiGH | I hope Emacs 24 makes it into wheezy. :-( |
| 21:56.41 | dvs | JordiGH: If it isn't there now then probably no |
| 21:56.47 | ansgar | JordiGH: It's 3.81-8 (squeeze) vs. 3.81-8.2 (sid). |
| 21:57.06 | JordiGH | dvs: I think they're fighting for the freeze exception... |
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| 21:57.13 | JordiGH | How do you check on this? |
| 21:57.19 | JordiGH | Where are the freeze exceptions? |
| 21:58.19 | ansgar | JordiGH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release; http://bugs.debian.org/release.debian.org; and the actual exceptions are on release.debian.org (removal and entering hints). |
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| 21:59.02 | JordiGH | aha: http://bugs.debian.org/82908 |
| 21:59.10 | JordiGH | er: http://bugs.debian.org/682908 |
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| 22:00.53 | innociv_ | Where is kill located? |
| 22:00.59 | innociv_ | I have /usr/bin/killall but not /usr/bin/kill |
| 22:01.36 | JordiGH | innociv_: "which kill" |
| 22:01.46 | JordiGH | rtfm: which(1) |
| 22:01.49 | innociv_ | I guess it's /bin/kill ? |
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| 22:01.58 | innociv_ | And the kill -15 kill. To kill a program by pid |
| 22:02.00 | quebre | وين الويد ولا وين الدخان ولا |
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| 22:04.07 | innociv_ | Monit runs as root right? |
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| 22:04.29 | innociv_ | so stop program = "/bin/bash -c '/bin/kill -15 `cat /var/run/daemontokill.pid`'" should work fine |
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| 22:10.47 | jordanm | innociv_: in bash, you don't need cat: /bin/bash -c '/bin/kill -15 $(< /var/run/daemon.pid)' should work fine |
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| 22:11.48 | innociv_ | i see |
| 22:11.56 | jordanm | innociv_: also, is there a reason you are using /bin/kill instead of the shell's builtin kill? |
| 22:12.04 | innociv_ | Seems to work, at least when I run it as root. |
| 22:12.09 | innociv_ | Well I'm doing it from monit. |
| 22:12.11 | innociv_ | As the stop command |
| 22:12.27 | innociv_ | Not sure that monits enviroment will know the alias |
| 22:12.33 | jordanm | if you are calling bash -c, then you can use shell builtins, including kill |
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| 22:12.47 | innociv_ | But I'm not sure that monit is even doing the command as root either.. |
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| 22:12.49 | jordanm | innociv_: builtin commands are not aliases, they are built into the shell |
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| 22:13.40 | debianNOOB | I all, I've just install debian squeeze 6.0.5 and there no network manager is there an ISO image with all the program on it? |
| 22:14.52 | debianNOOB | I all, I've just install debian squeeze 6.0.5 and there no network manager is there an ISO image with all the program on it? |
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| 22:15.00 | dvs | debianNOOB: The DLBR one |
| 22:15.00 | _ramok | good evening |
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| 22:15.14 | debianNOOB | dvs: Whats that?? |
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| 22:15.34 | dvs | debianNOOB: double Blu-ray image |
| 22:15.54 | _ramok | i just wanted to install the php5-gd library, but the packetmanager says, that it will upgrade a bunch of php modules... i'm not sure what will happen... is there a way to downgrade the packages again after update if anything goes wrong? |
| 22:16.07 | debianNOOB | dvs: Does the DVD image have network-manager by default?? |
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| 22:16.26 | dvs | debianNOOB: don't know |
| 22:17.06 | debianNOOB | dvs: I just want the distro with as many apps on as possible and dependencies |
| 22:17.34 | jordanm | _ramok: pastebin the following: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy php5 php5-gd libapache2-mod-php5; apt-get -s install php5-gd |
| 22:18.14 | debianNOOB | dvs: What debian are you using?? |
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| 22:18.39 | dvs | debhelper: Debian 6.0.5 |
| 22:18.45 | _ramok | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/cK1kAKwi |
| 22:19.15 | LtL | debianNOOB: ALL programs would never fit on one .iso. CD1*.iso has always provided network-manager for me over many releases in the past including squeeze. |
| 22:19.36 | jordanm | _ramok: those are security updates, you should install them |
| 22:19.36 | dvs | LtL: wrong, |
| 22:19.47 | themill | CD1 for squeeze doesn't include N-M |
| 22:19.51 | dvs | LtL: The double Blu-ray image has everything. |
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| 22:19.57 | LtL | dvs: except a blu-ray i take it? |
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| 22:20.09 | jordanm | _ramok: they are not upstream version changes, so it will remain compatible with the code you are running with those packages |
| 22:20.15 | LtL | dvs: mmk, gotcha :) |
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| 22:20.27 | _ramok | jordanm: thank you for the information! |
| 22:20.29 | debianNOOB | I've only got a 4gb usb it wont fir on will it? |
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| 22:21.01 | LtL | themill: it doesn't! i guess i apt-got it then, my bad. |
| 22:21.11 | jordanm | _ramok: oh, wait, you don't even have php5 installed already |
| 22:21.26 | themill | debianNOOB: do you have a wired ethernet connection for this machine? |
| 22:21.31 | jordanm | _ramok: you have php5-gd, but that is behind on security updates |
| 22:21.38 | debianNOOB | themill: No! |
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| 22:21.51 | _ramok | jordanm: to late... i've updated everything now |
| 22:21.51 | dvs | debianNOOB: you need a 64GB USB drive to fit it all. |
| 22:22.42 | jordanm | _ramok: its not a problem, and you can remove additional packages if you don't want them, but there isn't much reason to |
| 22:22.43 | debianNOOB | dvs: can I use dd,like : dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sda5 bs=4M will that work?? |
| 22:24.38 | debianNOOB | dvs: can I use dd,like : dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sda5 bs=4M will that work?? |
| 22:25.04 | dvs | debianNOOB: you don't need the "bs" parameter but yes. |
| 22:25.23 | dvs | oh wait |
| 22:25.25 | debianNOOB | dvs: Thanks |
| 22:25.30 | dvs | that won't work |
| 22:25.31 | debianNOOB | dvs: What? |
| 22:25.36 | debianNOOB | dvs: why> |
| 22:25.44 | dvs | debianNOOB: You have to put it onto a USB drive. |
| 22:26.21 | debianNOOB | dvs: Damn!! |
| 22:26.26 | dvs | debianNOOB: You can put the netinst onto a USB drive and copy the iso image onto a hard drive partition |
| 22:27.27 | dvs | (just not the same partition you want to install to) |
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| 22:27.42 | debianNOOB | dvs: ah, wait i've got an 80g external HDD will that work? |
| 22:27.57 | dvs | debianNOOB: It should |
| 22:28.07 | dvs | if it's detected at boot time |
| 22:28.18 | debianNOOB | What Should I format it 2 EXT3? |
| 22:28.35 | dvs | debianNOOB: either. |
| 22:28.57 | debianNOOB | dvs: Ok thanks a lot dude :D |
| 22:29.04 | dvs | no problem |
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| 22:35.17 | daemon | is there anyway to revert exim4's config bundle into a single file |
| 22:36.33 | nkuttler | daemon: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
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| 22:45.33 | daemon | nkuttler, ty |
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| 22:51.27 | belak | I'm having some issues with a mdadm raid array... I got a message from root saying that one of the drives is unsynced... does that mean I need to replace the drive? What do I have to do? It's a 3 drive raid 5 array... |
| 22:51.32 | belak | Is it just mdadm --fail /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1; mdadm -r /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1; mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sde1 ? |
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| 22:59.10 | FilipeMaia | Can anyone recommend a good book about storage hardware? Including things like SATA, SAS, backplanes, RAID controllers and such |
| 22:59.34 | ceil | Tupperware For Dummies |
| 22:59.35 | ceil | :) |
| 23:00.11 | FilipeMaia | :) |
| 23:02.13 | kesroesweyth | FilipeMaia I think the hardware side of the CompTIA A+ exam covers those things on a high level. |
| 23:02.26 | kesroesweyth | Not sure how much detail you're looking for. |
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| 23:04.24 | FilipeMaia | kesroesweyth: fairly good amount of detail. I'll check them out |
| 23:05.13 | kesroesweyth | FilipeMaia you might find the A+ level of coverage insufficient, but I thought it was enough to give me a good solid foundational understanding. |
| 23:05.20 | kesroesweyth | afk, good luck. :) |
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| 23:06.09 | belak | Ok, so all drives in my raid array appear to be fine... but it's still missing a drive... do I just readd it back? |
| 23:08.12 | woshty | i tried to install some rebuild packages with missing dependencies earlier .. and now i do not seem to be able to purge them: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 23:08.54 | FilipeMaia | belak: how do you know they are fine? |
| 23:09.06 | belak | FilipeMaia: well, smart said they're fine |
| 23:09.10 | belak | *smartctl |
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| 23:10.04 | FilipeMaia | belak: sure you can go ahead and readd it |
| 23:10.39 | belak | Then just run a full scan? |
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| 23:11.13 | TadekMocarzzz | hi |
| 23:11.21 | TadekMocarzzz | i compiled a software using "make" |
| 23:11.35 | TadekMocarzzz | the question is, if i change one file, will using "make" recompile everything? or just that file |
| 23:12.32 | dokma | rsync fails to keep the same uids when transferring mysql owned files. on the source system uid is 105 rsync resets it to 101 even when I manually corrected it |
| 23:12.37 | dokma | could this be a bug? |
| 23:12.52 | TadekMocarzzz | help, plax |
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| 23:13.24 | dokma | I'm using rsync -az --del |
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| 23:13.38 | themill | dokma: unless you ask it to, it uses the same username not userid |
| 23:13.41 | dokma | I have not noticed any other uid preservation probs |
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| 23:13.51 | dokma | I did ask it to |
| 23:13.57 | dokma | I'm transferring as root |
| 23:13.57 | TadekMocarzzz | any1, help mi |
| 23:14.19 | dokma | all other files keep the same uids but mysql stuff goes from 105 to 101 |
| 23:14.31 | dondelelcaro | dokma: what is mysql on the target machine? |
| 23:14.52 | dokma | 105 |
| 23:15.01 | dokma | it's a complete file system clone |
| 23:15.07 | dokma | so /etc/passwd is identical |
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| 23:15.42 | dokma | 101 is Debian-exim which I don't even use |
| 23:16.47 | dondelelcaro | dokma: what is the precise command you're using? what is the output of id 101; id mysql; id 105; on the target? |
| 23:17.11 | dokma | target: id 101 no such user |
| 23:17.37 | dokma | target: id mysql: uid 150 gid 109 groups 109 mysql |
| 23:17.50 | dondelelcaro | err, getent passwd 101; rather. |
| 23:17.53 | dokma | id 105 no such user |
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| 23:18.00 | dondelelcaro | forgot that id doesn't take uids |
| 23:18.37 | dokma | funny |
| 23:18.46 | dokma | on the source id 105 no such user |
| 23:18.51 | dokma | but 105 is mysql |
| 23:19.07 | dondelelcaro | dokma: id doesn't take UIDs. you have to use getent passwd 105; |
| 23:19.12 | peterrooney | TadekMocarzzz: Traditionally, make only recompiles that file and anything that depends on it. |
| 23:19.19 | dokma | ahh... ok |
| 23:20.05 | dokma | source getent 105 : mysql 105:109 |
| 23:20.25 | dokma | source getent 101 : Debian-exim 101:103 |
| 23:20.46 | TadekMocarzzz | thanks peterrooney |
| 23:20.47 | dokma | source getent 105 and source getent mysql are the same |
| 23:20.52 | dokma | on the target |
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| 23:21.19 | dokma | all identical |
| 23:21.47 | dondelelcaro | dokma: ok; what is the exact rsync command you are using? |
| 23:21.56 | dokma | exact command used: nice -n 19 rsync -az --del --exclude-from=backup.lst / root@david.evorion.hr:/home/vlatko/backup/archive/ |
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| 23:22.34 | dondelelcaro | dokma: ok; this is unrelated, but you probably actually want ionice, not nice. |
| 23:22.50 | dokma | I'll look into it |
| 23:24.01 | dokma | dondelelcaro: got any idea what's going on? |
| 23:24.03 | dondelelcaro | dokma: anyway, that looks reasonable. Is archive g+s or something else? |
| 23:24.12 | dondelelcaro | dokma: what filesystem is /home/vlatko/backup/archive? |
| 23:24.35 | dondelelcaro | dokma: and have you let the rsync finish too? |
| 23:24.54 | dokma | it's ext3 |
| 23:24.56 | dondelelcaro | cool |
| 23:24.59 | dokma | I've let it finish |
| 23:25.01 | dondelelcaro | would also suggest using obnam or backuppc or similar instead of just rsync |
| 23:25.05 | dondelelcaro | ok |
| 23:25.37 | dokma | I use rsync because I want a bootable system on the other hand |
| 23:25.55 | dokma | I've also excluded interfaces and some other files so I can boot it and get network and similar |
| 23:26.05 | dokma | it's my mirror for dev |
| 23:26.38 | dokma | I'll try just /var/lib/mysql and see if it does the uids right |
| 23:27.01 | dokma | it returned them back to wrong values after I've set them correctly manually |
| 23:28.17 | dondelelcaro | dokma: so ls -ln /var/lib/mysql; on the target doesn't match ls -ln /home/vlatko/backup/archive/var/lib/mysql; right? |
| 23:28.29 | dokma | exactly |
| 23:28.37 | dokma | and I don't understand why |
| 23:28.44 | dokma | I have to bring the VM down and mount |
| 23:28.56 | dokma | then I'll try to rsync just /var/lib/mysql |
| 23:29.00 | dondelelcaro | dokma: and /etc/passwd on david.evorion.hr is exactly the same as / on the source? |
| 23:29.17 | dokma | well I didn't compare |
| 23:29.20 | dondelelcaro | oh |
| 23:29.20 | dokma | they should be |
| 23:29.32 | dokma | I didn't exclude /etc/passwd |
| 23:29.39 | dokma | I'll md5 quickly |
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| 23:30.22 | dondelelcaro | dokma: yeah, but you have three different /etc/passwd here; the one on david.evorion.hr:/etc/passwd, david.evorion.hr:/home/vlatko/backup/archive/etc/passwd, and source:/etc/passwd |
| 23:31.01 | dokma | that's true but the copy gets booted into a VM so the third one doesn't matter |
| 23:31.03 | dondelelcaro | dokma: if you want /home/vlatko/backup/archive/ to be an exact copy, you actually have to use --numeric-ids unless you're certain that the uids match |
| 23:31.18 | dondelelcaro | dokma: actually, only the first and third one matter. |
| 23:31.40 | dokma | but the third one is invisible to the VM |
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| 23:31.45 | dokma | how does that one matter? |
| 23:31.53 | dondelelcaro | dokma: because it's the source |
| 23:32.00 | dokma | ahh pardon |
| 23:32.20 | dokma | target /etc/passwd doesn't matter than if I understand right |
| 23:32.34 | dondelelcaro | dokma: the target /etc/passwd matters too, actually... |
| 23:32.42 | dondelelcaro | dokma: but not david.evorion.hr:/home/vlatko/backup/archive/etc/passwd |
| 23:32.47 | tharkun | If I where to deploy a Kerberos server what version is mostly recomended under debian MIT or Heimdall? |
| 23:33.11 | dokma | the one in the backup folder gets into play when the VM is booted so that's after the copy is done |
| 23:33.25 | dokma | perhaps --numeric-ids is what I need |
| 23:33.44 | dondelelcaro | dokma: right. that's probably what you actually want. |
| 23:35.02 | dokma | I ran a full rsync so we'll see now |
| 23:35.25 | dokma | actually we'll see tomorrow |
| 23:35.28 | tharkun | dokma: horrible hack, tar the files with user 1000 and rsync that. |
| 23:35.33 | dokma | dondelelcaro: thank you very much |
| 23:35.43 | dondelelcaro | dokma: np; hopefully it works |
| 23:36.12 | dokma | tharkun: that would take ages, most files are untouched most of the time |
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| 23:37.59 | dokma | I assume I can safely remove ntfs module from the kernel on a lamp server |
| 23:38.01 | gnarface | tharkun: the MIT one is the one i heard was recommended. i believe they're both packaged though |
| 23:38.28 | tharkun | gnarface: yes, both are packaged and i didn't know which one to use |
| 23:38.39 | gunkaaa | dokma: you shouldn't really be syncing the mysql datastore unless you're shutting it down for the duration |
| 23:38.49 | gunkaaa | you're better off using mysqldump |
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| 23:39.22 | dokma | gunkaaa: I know, it's just that the copy is used as a dev machine so I play the luck card |
| 23:39.35 | lionix | Hi! |
| 23:39.38 | tharkun | gnarface: thanks I'll go for mit |
| 23:39.38 | gunkaaa | ah, fair enough |
| 23:39.41 | dokma | actually copy is used mostly for debugging |
| 23:39.58 | dokma | so it's just a quick rsync, boot the copy into a VM and find the bugs |
| 23:40.22 | dokma | then just transfer usually few letters of changes to the live server |
| 23:40.45 | gnarface | tharkun: the http://techpubs.spinlocksolutions.com/dklar/kerberos.html documentation here i found is based on it and debian-specific. the MIT one is also the reference implementation so in general I would guess its the safest bet. |
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| 23:43.08 | lionix | What is the topic?? |
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| 23:44.48 | ceil | lionix: /topic :) |
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| 23:54.00 | lionix | Lol |
| 23:54.13 | lionix | Yeah i mean the topic of the discussion |
| 23:54.32 | gnarface | ... |
| 23:54.55 | gnarface | lionix: this is a support channel. do you need help with a debian problem? |
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| 23:59.06 | tetreb | Anyone knows why fwbuilder won't start on testing? |
| 23:59.25 | nvz | tetreb: you probably do, since you're the one having the problem presumably |
| 23:59.52 | tetreb | nvz: oh well |
