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| 00:00.51 | nvz | tetreb: nothing I can see related to it not starting on the BTS, so you should probably try elaborate on the issue and then file a bug report if it turns out to be a bug |
| 00:01.42 | nvz | tetreb: if you're new at narrowing down problems a first step might be to run it from a terminal so you can see the stdout/stderr if its returning directly back to the prompt and not showing anything an strace might help |
| 00:02.00 | nvz | personally I'm not familiar with fwbuilder but I'm guessing its something similar to firestarter |
| 00:02.10 | tetreb | debug option of it didn't show anything useful |
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| 00:02.21 | tetreb | it is, yes |
| 00:02.53 | nvz | tetreb: well when you say failed to start do you mean the app i.e. gui fails to come up, or that the firewall itself fails to start when you tell it to? |
| 00:03.13 | tetreb | no, the app gui fails |
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| 00:03.36 | tetreb | I have no idea, how it should start, I just installed it for the first time :) |
| 00:03.54 | lionix | Good night! |
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| 00:04.00 | nvz | tetreb: ok well then we'd treat this issue as a normal app debug proceedure. first thing I'd do is run from a terminal and see if I see anything |
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| 00:04.15 | tetreb | but the app never shows, the command hangs in terminal, when I start it from there and debug option of it won't tell me either |
| 00:04.45 | nvz | tetreb: ok well if the app hangs in terminal with no messages, you'd have to dig deeper, using strace |
| 00:04.45 | tetreb | it has a debug option -d, but won't error really, I will google though |
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| 00:05.07 | nvz | tetreb: alternatively if this is too much for you, you can just try something else. I personally use firestarter when I need to do some firewall stuff |
| 00:05.40 | tetreb | nvz: thanks, just installed that as well, just wanted a nicer overview of the rules |
| 00:06.26 | nvz | tetreb: strace intercepts the calls between the app and the kernel and will show you what its doing and why its hanging |
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| 00:07.36 | nvz | tetreb: would be most helpful to start it with strace rather than attaching it afterwards because often attaching strace to a hung process will be held up on either polling get time of day calls, or stuck on a read call which is impossible to run down without seeing the open() call that created the filedescriptor |
| 00:08.02 | tetreb | nvz: hey, it just started,seemed to take while for doing something, sorry for crying to fast. :) |
| 00:08.08 | nvz | hah |
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| 00:08.21 | tetreb | doesn't happen often that way :) |
| 00:08.30 | nvz | yeah I'm sure its not suppose to work that way either |
| 00:09.16 | tetreb | well seems ok, strace was stopping for a while while connecting to 127.0.0.1, so maybe there was the pause |
| 00:09.44 | nvz | hmm.. loopback interface.. |
| 00:10.15 | nvz | idk how fwbuilder works, but with firestarter my errors on starting it (which usually tries to start the firewall as well) are often related to the interfaces not being up or properly configured |
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| 00:11.17 | tetreb | well, this box actually has no fw running, I wanted to examine the fw script I created for the forwarding box. |
| 00:11.37 | nvz | I typically only use firewalls for doing NAT or Internet Connection Sharing, so its usually that I haven't set the IP of the interface that will be behind the NAT |
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| 00:12.37 | tetreb | you do nat to interface instead of address? you mean local interface, facing the LAN? |
| 00:13.31 | nvz | yes the LAN interface.. if you have the firewall setup to point at 192.168.0.1 on eth1 for example and eth1 is not configured to 192.168.0.1 the firewall fails to start |
| 00:13.45 | tetreb | I am actually rading about NAT now, not entirely sure about the syntax, although an example I followed already works here. |
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| 00:14.11 | tetreb | I am connecting through my own debian gatway currently :) |
| 00:14.19 | nvz | yeah idk, networking isn't my strong suit.. which is why I use firestarter or something to do the dirty work |
| 00:14.52 | nvz | I typically only use it when I'm rube goldberg'ing something.. heh |
| 00:15.51 | nvz | anyhow I just told someone I was coming.. and that was 20min ago now.. haha.. /me wanders off |
| 00:16.11 | tetreb | thanks nv |
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| 00:23.26 | FilipeMaia | What's your favorite connector for 10Gb ethernet? |
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| 00:24.42 | foxtrot9 | is it possible to install debian net install with a wifi? |
| 00:25.54 | dvs | foxtrot9: yes, if you have WEP or no security and a supported wifi chipset |
| 00:26.06 | foxtrot9 | okay thanks |
| 00:26.15 | aidalgol | Not with WPA2? |
| 00:26.33 | dvs | Well, the kmuto iso has WPA/WPA2 |
| 00:26.57 | aidalgol | kmuto? |
| 00:27.03 | dvs | !kmuto |
| 00:27.04 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 00:27.11 | babilen | The kmuto installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) supports WPA2 and comes with newer kernels + firmware. A bunch of wireless adapters need firmware so you are better of with the "/msg dpkg firmware images". You can, however, always provide firmware during the installer (/msg dpkg installer firmware) |
| 00:27.25 | aidalgol | ah |
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| 00:34.04 | roboman2444 | grub error out of disk |
| 00:34.14 | roboman2444 | i can temporarily fix it by reinstalling grub to the disk |
| 00:34.22 | roboman2444 | but it only lasts for a couple boots |
| 00:34.25 | roboman2444 | any tips? |
| 00:34.41 | mrjack | bad diskß |
| 00:34.57 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 00:35.02 | roboman2444 | then why does it temporarily fix? |
| 00:35.17 | ManoftheSea | temporarily maps new sectors |
| 00:36.06 | roboman2444 | ah |
| 00:36.12 | roboman2444 | so, whats wrong with the disk? |
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| 00:37.20 | roboman2444 | and how to fix? |
| 00:37.36 | ManoftheSea | roboman2444: try the badblocks program. |
| 00:37.42 | roboman2444 | badblocks? |
| 00:37.43 | ManoftheSea | there's not generally a fix. |
| 00:37.52 | roboman2444 | hm |
| 00:38.41 | Rygrass | how do you get a spefic user to start a script up |
| 00:38.44 | roboman2444 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badblocks it says it will stop things from being written there |
| 00:38.45 | Rygrass | keeps starting under root |
| 00:38.57 | Rygrass | like i made a few scripts to load on start up |
| 00:39.04 | Rygrass | but they keep starting under root |
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| 00:39.49 | ManoftheSea | oh yeah, you might try the smart data too. |
| 00:39.59 | roboman2444 | k |
| 00:40.01 | roboman2444 | ill go try |
| 00:40.13 | ManoftheSea | Rygrass: init scripts? I think you want setuid and change owner to user |
| 00:41.12 | Rygrass | why do i have to be noob |
| 00:41.21 | Rygrass | thanks seems to put me into the right direction |
| 00:41.31 | ManoftheSea | Rygrass: because you haven't gained a level in sysadm class. |
| 00:41.40 | ManoftheSea | There's a multi-classing penalty. |
| 00:42.11 | Rygrass | Yeah |
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| 00:59.18 | gnarface | will multiarch help me figure out how to cross-compile shit for an arm chip from my amd64 box? |
| 00:59.42 | gnarface | can boot linux on his palm pilot still can't succeed at this |
| 00:59.43 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: in some cases it will make it easier, but not that much easier |
| 00:59.54 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: i need some docs |
| 01:00.20 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers has some of it |
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| 01:00.46 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: there's |
| 01:01.13 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: there's also some movement towards doing slightly more elegant cross-architecture stuff, where you only emulate things when you actually have to |
| 01:01.25 | dondelelcaro | gnarface: debconf12 had a lightning talk on it which demonstrated some of it |
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| 01:02.40 | Shinobi | I can't get my perl packages to install (or force install) on squeeze using cpan -i/f Do I need to do anything else? |
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| 01:04.27 | gotmynick | Shinobi, aren't the packages available as libpackage-name-perl (for example for Package::Name) ? |
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| 01:05.06 | gotmynick | if there is some package depending on XS, you may need build-eesintial make and the needed libraries to install them from cpan shell |
| 01:05.18 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: thanks for the info. this looks familiar like i tried it before and ran into a dead end on both paths (compiling my own as well as installing the emdebian stuff and making any use of it) but i'll try again |
| 01:05.19 | gotmynick | s/eesintial/essential/ |
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| 01:07.39 | gotmynick | Shinobi, for example, lot of network related packages, need libssl-dev installed |
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| 01:08.20 | gotmynick | s/packages/cpan packages/ |
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| 01:09.15 | gotmynick | you should get some descriptive error between the output |
| 01:09.20 | Shinobi | I'm trying to install iCal::Parser |
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| 01:09.53 | Shinobi | it does a lot of testing (at least for me) and always fails. Is there something I should be looking for in particular |
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| 01:10.09 | gotmynick | ,versions libical-parser-perl |
| 01:10.10 | judd | Package: libical-parser-perl on i386 -- sid: 1.16-1; squeeze: 1.16-1; wheezy: 1.16-1 |
| 01:10.13 | Tekk_ | sorry, erc was drawing weirdly |
| 01:10.29 | gotmynick | Shinobi, apt-get install libical-parser-perl |
| 01:10.29 | Shinobi | ok. |
| 01:10.42 | gotmynick | and happy parsing |
| 01:10.45 | Shinobi | so, everything is via synaptic? |
| 01:10.51 | gotmynick | not everything |
| 01:11.03 | Shinobi | Let's see if I can get the lamp stack the way I need it |
| 01:11.08 | gotmynick | but there is a perl team in debian, and there are lot of packages available in the repos |
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| 01:12.14 | Shinobi | ah... see I wrote the script on an ubuntu box, and since it's based on Debian I thought it would be similar. Fair enough. |
| 01:12.30 | Shinobi | Any way that gets the job done is good with me |
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| 01:14.26 | Tekk_ | and to be clear, it seems like oss4 stuff still works, but alsa doesnt |
| 01:14.40 | Tekk_ | and it does continue whether or not I've purged and removed the oss4 things |
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| 01:15.39 | Shinobi | gotmynick: SWEET! Thx! |
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| 01:15.59 | gotmynick | you're welcome |
| 01:18.35 | Tekk_ | oh, and sound worked perfectly before installing oss4 |
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| 01:26.37 | loome | hi |
| 01:27.05 | loome | Question: say, you plug in a German keyboard to your computer. What exactly is different about how it functions from a normal US keyboard? |
| 01:27.09 | loome | does it send different signals? |
| 01:27.18 | Tekk_ | nope |
| 01:27.35 | Tekk_ | the only difference is how they get interpreted |
| 01:27.44 | loome | more precisely: if I have notepad open, and I plug out my normal US keyboard and plug in a German keyboard, and start typing away on that... will I just seamlessly be able to type chars like ß? |
| 01:27.50 | loome | hmm, ok -- so the answer to my question is 'no' |
| 01:27.57 | Tekk_ | correct |
| 01:28.03 | Tekk_ | as far as I know at least |
| 01:28.28 | loome | Tekk_: so, in essence, the _only_ thing different between a US keyboard and a German keyboard is that they have different letters painted on the physical keys |
| 01:28.33 | Tekk_ | yep |
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| 01:29.08 | gnarface | well there might be slight variations in layout and key count |
| 01:29.18 | gnarface | depending on locale |
| 01:29.33 | Tekk_ | gnarface: yeah, but with the example of german I think the amount of keys and general layout are the same |
| 01:29.46 | gnarface | yea probably |
| 01:29.48 | loome | Tekk_: let's s/german/russian/. What then? |
| 01:29.56 | Tekk_ | I haven't seen a russian keyboard |
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| 01:30.21 | gnarface | i would imagine the asian keyboards to have the largest difference simply due to the larger relative character count of the languages |
| 01:30.22 | Tekk_ | but yeah, when you boil it down, the only difference is going to be # of keys, and some layout stuff |
| 01:30.35 | gnarface | of course |
| 01:30.36 | Tekk_ | gnarface: yeah, I'd rather interested in how a chinese keyboard looks |
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| 01:30.53 | gnarface | they're still all sending integers |
| 01:30.55 | rawburt | when will Wheezy be released? |
| 01:31.03 | Tekk_ | when it's ready |
| 01:31.06 | rawburt | heh |
| 01:31.10 | loome | Tekk_: so, on the Linux side of things... what needs to be done so that when one presses a key on a Russian keyboard, a Russian letter is produced, not an English one |
| 01:31.16 | Tekk_ | rawburt: no,seriously |
| 01:31.22 | rawburt | it seems to the better track to always run testing |
| 01:31.26 | Tekk_ | loome: yep. setxkbmap rs |
| 01:31.35 | gnarface | loome: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:31.36 | Tekk_ | or whatever the russian abbreviation is |
| 01:31.40 | rawburt | in my sources.list can I specify "testing" rather than "wheezy" or "lenny" etc |
| 01:31.42 | loome | Tekk_: let's pretend we're not on X |
| 01:31.45 | Tekk_ | ^ that one's more complete :) |
| 01:31.49 | Tekk_ | rawburt: yep |
| 01:31.52 | rawburt | sid? |
| 01:31.57 | Tekk_ | unstable |
| 01:31.59 | rawburt | or is that unstable |
| 01:32.04 | Tekk_ | wheezy is testing |
| 01:32.19 | rawburt | so I can just put "testing/test-proposed-updates" |
| 01:32.26 | rawburt | that isn't likely valid since it's all testing |
| 01:32.34 | Tekk_ | I don't think that there is a proposed updates for testing |
| 01:32.34 | rawburt | nor is a backports entry? |
| 01:32.40 | nvz | rawburt: you can specify testing, stable, unstable..etc but that tracks whatever is current.. using a release name makes sure you track that release |
| 01:32.41 | gnarface | rawburt: you're advised to use the names. wheezy will always be wheezy. testing will move out from underneath you and one day become jessie |
| 01:33.04 | rawburt | gnarface: was thinking so |
| 01:33.20 | rawburt | gnarface: also think I should do a fresh install with every testing code name |
| 01:34.28 | gnarface | rawburt: with every testing code name? not sure what you mean by that but it sounds like an epically painful waste of time |
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| 01:35.09 | rawburt | gnarface: so I'm running an instance of debian-testing-whatever-netinst.iso |
| 01:35.17 | rawburt | I use wheezy in my sources.list |
| 01:35.23 | Tekk_ | rawburt: you want to install with stable |
| 01:35.34 | Tekk_ | testing cds are sometimes broken, I hate wasting time :) |
| 01:35.38 | rawburt | once wheezy moves to production should I just change wheezy to whatever the next testing code name is and dist-upgrade? |
| 01:36.15 | gnarface | rawburt: i'm not sure why you'd do that... once wheezy moves to production you won. move on to the next project. |
| 01:36.38 | rawburt | gnarface: I guess I'm asking about the best step to take to move to the next project. |
| 01:37.12 | gotmynick | if you want to stay in testing, use "testing" in the sources.list, else use a release name |
| 01:37.33 | rawburt | gotmynick: but was it not just recommending *not* doing that? |
| 01:37.52 | gotmynick | if you want to "stay in testing" that is the way |
| 01:38.02 | rawburt | 20:32 < gnarface> rawburt: you're advised to use the names. wheezy will always be wheezy. testing will move out from underneath you and one day become jessie |
| 01:38.20 | gotmynick | if you want your wheezy system to "stay wheezy", then use wheezy |
| 01:38.41 | gnarface | rawburt: i guess what i'm questioning is the sanity of staying in testing... unless your hardware is also constantly in testing i can't imagine why you wouldn't want to just keep wheezy once it goes stable |
| 01:39.01 | gnarface | rawburt: that's the whole POINT of why debian distros go stable |
| 01:39.06 | gnarface | rawburt: so you can stop fucking with them |
| 01:39.13 | rawburt | so just: |
| 01:39.14 | rawburt | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:39.15 | rawburt | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 01:39.31 | Tekk_ | gnarface: the thing is that some of us don't like running 2 year old software :) |
| 01:39.36 | Tekk_ | I keep myself on testing |
| 01:39.37 | gnarface | rawburt: security is empty in testing. you get no security |
| 01:39.47 | gotmynick | and if you've to ask, maybe you should not use testing/sid, you may got into issues in the future |
| 01:40.03 | gotmynick | transitions, etc |
| 01:40.18 | gnarface | dpkg, tell Tekk_ about sns |
| 01:40.41 | gnarface | dpkg, tell rawburt about sns |
| 01:41.12 | rawburt | heh |
| 01:41.21 | gnarface | Tekk_: when you do it for a living long enough you start to equate upgrades with disaster. |
| 01:41.47 | gnarface | Tekk_: the trick is to first get to the point where normal day-to-day events are not a constant catastrophe |
| 01:41.57 | Tekk_ | gnarface: oddly enough I've never had a debian testing update break me |
| 01:42.08 | gnarface | lucky you |
| 01:42.14 | gnarface | even broken clock is right twice a day |
| 01:42.20 | pparadis | that ^ |
| 01:42.23 | Tekk_ | in fact I ran arch for over a year, no breakage there either.. |
| 01:42.35 | Tekk_ | nor in gentoo, but that was brief |
| 01:42.39 | pparadis | Tekk_: then you are truly an exceptional case. trust me on that. |
| 01:43.13 | gnarface | Tekk_: you won't always have the luxury of working with hardware that was built+designed entirely on wednesdays |
| 01:43.29 | pparadis | 12 years of watching countless cases of "oh fuck, really?" have reassured me that my habit of running debian stable on things i care about is well rewarded. |
| 01:43.36 | aidalgol | I went with testing when I found myself unable to even *build* new packages because the necessary libraries weren't in stable. |
| 01:44.26 | Tekk_ | aidalgol: or the ancient versions in stable are too old |
| 01:44.38 | aidalgol | Tekk_: Yeah, that was more often the case. :P |
| 01:44.38 | gnarface | well, that's what backports are for aidalgol, but i admit myself i've had one or two squeeze systems i did end up pretty much backporting all of wheezy to for one dumb thing and then sat back and thought i might have just as well installed wheezy |
| 01:44.57 | aidalgol | gnarface: This in taking backports into account. |
| 01:45.01 | gnarface | aidalgol: but that's a rare exception based on an absurd requirement made by a clueless client |
| 01:45.38 | aidalgol | Although I think I'll stay with wheezy now that I haven't needed anything new in a while. |
| 01:45.55 | gnarface | well its frozen so there should be a lull |
| 01:45.57 | gotmynick | now that wheezy is frozen it's pretty usable, not too much transitions, just bug fixes, translations, etc |
| 01:45.57 | Tekk_ | so, anyone have an idea about my froblem? |
| 01:46.02 | Tekk_ | problem* |
| 01:46.08 | brah | How do I disable the update notification icon? It nags my users |
| 01:46.10 | Tekk_ | installing oss4 broke alsa |
| 01:46.23 | aidalgol | I think I may do a fresh install once wheezy is released as stable. |
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| 01:46.41 | aidalgol | Clear out any crud that has escaped my notice. |
| 01:47.04 | gnarface | Tekk_: i just use alsa. oss doesn't play nice like it used to for me. |
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| 01:47.31 | gnarface | Tekk_: the oss-compatibility module for alsa works pretty well though for me |
| 01:47.34 | aidalgol | Oh, and proprietary games (e.g. from the Humble Indie Bundles) can be a real PITA on stable. |
| 01:47.47 | aidalgol | Because they were all built on Ubuntu. |
| 01:48.11 | aidalgol | Actually s/stable/any GNU/Linux distro that's not Ubuntu/ |
| 01:48.19 | gnarface | yea well i game on unstable |
| 01:48.27 | gnarface | but i wouldn't consider a gaming console exactly a mission-critical system |
| 01:48.35 | Tekk_ | gnarface: yeah, I can definitely tell that it doesn't play nice |
| 01:48.37 | aidalgol | nor me |
| 01:48.53 | Tekk_ | the issue is reviving alsa once it finished not playing nice |
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| 01:49.12 | Tekk_ | alsa detects my cards, lets me change volume, thinks it's playing things, but doesn't actually play |
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| 01:50.51 | gnarface | Tekk_: i used to have problems like that with alsa but it was based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how my soundcard's controls were intended to be used |
| 01:51.02 | gnarface | Tekk_: you're using alsamixer to change the volume, right? |
| 01:51.14 | Tekk_ | gnarface: yes |
| 01:51.35 | Tekk_ | master is at 100, pcm is at 100, neither are muted |
| 01:52.38 | gnarface | Tekk_: the other thing that comes to mind is that some alsa drivers don't always get the physical input/output jacks on the card in the right order. for example i have to pass model=6stack-dig or something like that to mine or the front right/left channel jack (the green one that is also "headphone" when you're not in 5.1 mode) isn't even the one the sound comes out of when i try testing |
| 01:52.59 | gnarface | with stereo audio |
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| 01:53.30 | Tekk_ | gnarface: I think that would've shown itself before I installed oss4 though, wouldn't it? |
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| 01:53.34 | Tekk_ | (worked fine before) |
| 01:54.01 | Tekk_ | hmm |
| 01:54.09 | gnarface | Tekk_: yep, that is mysterious, so i can only assume that your installation of oss4 must have coincided with a MAJOR upgrade on a system that had gone some time without one |
| 01:54.19 | gnarface | Tekk_: hence explaining a functional change in alsa |
| 01:54.20 | Tekk_ | nope, I literally just installed yesterday |
| 01:54.23 | Tekk_ | no, 2 days ago |
| 01:54.33 | Tekk_ | weird |
| 01:54.38 | Tekk_ | actually headphones do work |
| 01:54.39 | Tekk_ | but the speakers don't |
| 01:55.13 | gnarface | well start turning volumes up until you find the right one |
| 01:55.22 | gnarface | i've got a 6-channel soundcard |
| 01:55.53 | gnarface | so in addition to "master" and "pcm" i also need to crank up "front" "surround" "center" "lfe" "side" etc |
| 01:56.18 | Tekk_ | not seeing any others though, which is odd |
| 01:56.24 | Tekk_ | (wasn't seeing them when it worked normally either) |
| 01:56.37 | gnarface | well do you know the name of the soundcard module? |
| 01:56.39 | Tekk_ | well, 2 S/PDIF channels that I can't turn up |
| 01:56.42 | Tekk_ | yeah, I'm using snd_hda_intel |
| 01:56.47 | Tekk_ | which I've done modprobing on |
| 01:56.55 | gnarface | that's the same one as me |
| 01:56.55 | gnarface | that is notorious |
| 01:56.55 | Tekk_ | really? |
| 01:57.01 | gnarface | there are about a billion different flavors of audio hardware using that driver |
| 01:57.08 | Tekk_ | ah |
| 01:57.18 | gnarface | its feeble attempt to auto-detect correctly is rarely anything other than functional by luck in stereo |
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| 01:57.48 | gnarface | you may need to be root but you should be able to run modinfo snd_hda_intel to get the options available |
| 01:58.08 | gnarface | i ended up using this after significant googling: options snd_hda_intel index=0 model=6stack-dig enable_msi=1 position_fix=1 |
| 01:58.49 | Tekk_ | in a modprobe conf, presumably? |
| 01:58.56 | gnarface | yea |
| 01:59.03 | gnarface | actually /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf |
| 01:59.11 | gnarface | you can do it on the command line just for testing though |
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| 01:59.37 | gnarface | i got the string "6stck-dig" from the comments at the top of the actual c file for the driver |
| 01:59.50 | gnarface | unfortunately i think that's the closest thing you're gonna find to documentation about it |
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| 02:00.21 | gnarface | pick something thats description fits the port count on your card... with any luck one will be close enough to get full use of all your jacks |
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| 02:00.53 | Tekk_ | index=0 seemed to fix it |
| 02:00.54 | Tekk_ | thanks |
| 02:01.01 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:01.04 | Tekk_ | and position_fix |
| 02:01.09 | Tekk_ | actually it was probably that one, since it was 0 anyway |
| 02:01.16 | gnarface | i wonder which it was |
| 02:01.18 | Tekk_ | (index was 0) |
| 02:01.19 | Tekk_ | hold on |
| 02:01.28 | gnarface | well, assuming you only have one soundcard... |
| 02:01.39 | gnarface | a usb webcam with a mic in it may show up as a soundcard though |
| 02:01.53 | gnarface | even some modem hardware |
| 02:01.59 | Tekk_ | position_fix |
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| 02:02.10 | Tekk_ | thanks :) |
| 02:02.21 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 02:03.03 | gnarface | i discovered all this one day after thinking my soundcard was fine for weeks because it was playing stereo properly |
| 02:03.10 | gnarface | then i loaded up a dvd one day in vlc and i couldn't hear anyone talking |
| 02:03.25 | gnarface | that's when i learned that most the voice tracks on 5.1 dvd content are on the center channel |
| 02:03.29 | gnarface | and i only had left+right |
| 02:03.34 | gnarface | doh |
| 02:03.45 | gnarface | so turns out it was using my mic jack as the center/subwoofer out |
| 02:03.50 | gnarface | and trying to record shit through my subwoofer |
| 02:03.52 | gnarface | or something like that |
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| 02:04.44 | iluminator105 | power surge took out my network card is there anyway i can hard debrick it? |
| 02:04.59 | gnarface | iluminator105: unlikely. |
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| 02:05.16 | iluminator105 | also can any of you guys watch nasa thing on linux here is the link http://eyes.nasa.gov/launch2.html?document=$SERVERURL/content/documents/msl/edl.xml |
| 02:05.48 | gnarface | iluminator105: i can't because i don't have java installed. i'm not gonna install it to test for you though |
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| 02:15.56 | gnarface | iluminator105: fyi they *do* make consumer-grade UPSes and power surge protectors that can offer some protection for network cable as well |
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| 02:16.34 | iluminator105 | well i didnt know you could get power surge through the network until now |
| 02:16.55 | mmnicolas | you can get power surge over the air |
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| 02:20.11 | shakezula | Z@nd3r |
| 02:20.36 | jbeatty | I am trying to set up mail on a VPS, and an auto-tool found http://www.palegray.net/projects/automate/pdm/debian-6 has detected my hostname as ritchiecollective and my domain name as com. Would this be wrong? (URL is indeed ritchiecollective.com) |
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| 02:22.47 | oneand0 | iluminator105: I need to get the icedtea plugin for some other testing, will test that link out in 5 min, |
| 02:23.24 | iluminator105 | oneand0, thanks |
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| 02:28.17 | oneand0 | hmm nope, says 'icedtea' is out of date -- icedtea-7-plugin |
| 02:28.43 | Shinobi | using a Debian VM in VirtualBox. I can't mount a vboxsf share. Says no device present. I reinstalled the VBoxguestAdditions several times... |
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| 02:33.25 | martianlobster | I just apt-get installed rsync. I am reading a tutorial about it here, http://everythinglinux.org/rsync/ |
| 02:33.38 | martianlobster | I don't have an /etc/rsyncd.conf file |
| 02:33.47 | martianlobster | was one supposed to be installed automatically? |
| 02:34.32 | martianlobster | if rsync, doesn't see an /etc/rsyncd.conf, how does it start? |
| 02:34.46 | rgenito | i'm not sure honestly... but one thing to check out when you're reading everythinglinux or like a blog site...is to check the date it was written :) |
| 02:35.06 | rgenito | brbz :D |
| 02:35.31 | martianlobster | oh, LOL, good point |
| 02:35.49 | martianlobster | touche, that was really funny |
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| 02:48.38 | gunkaaa | jbeatty: your server's hostname should be mail.ritchiecollective.com or similar, rather than just using the domain name |
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| 02:49.37 | Wally | hmm how does one unstitch individual applications in Debian? |
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| 02:49.53 | Wally | I want to be able to remove say Gnome-games without removing gnome |
| 02:50.26 | ManoftheSea | unstitch? |
| 02:50.42 | gnarface | Wally: did you try removing it with dpkg? |
| 02:50.45 | ManoftheSea | You can create a fake package which provides a name. |
| 02:51.00 | ManoftheSea | The problem with just removing it is that it will break "gnome", etc... |
| 02:51.03 | Wally | hmm |
| 02:51.09 | ManoftheSea | And most things auto-installed get removed. |
| 02:51.18 | ManoftheSea | I had that issue with Transmission. |
| 02:51.21 | Wally | Well there's a lot of stuff thats linked directly with something else.. |
| 02:51.29 | ManoftheSea | I wanted transmission-gui |
| 02:51.35 | gnarface | gnome is not small. oh the irony |
| 02:51.53 | gnarface | biggest window manager EVAR |
| 02:51.58 | gnarface | lets call it gnome |
| 02:51.59 | gnarface | lols |
| 02:52.49 | Wally | Touché |
| 02:53.04 | ManoftheSea | gnomeOS |
| 02:54.15 | Tramp | Wally: if you want "gnome" you want "a lot". If you don't want "a lot" install less in the first place |
| 02:54.30 | Tramp | !install gnome |
| 02:54.30 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 02:54.36 | Wally | shhhh :P |
| 02:54.39 | gnarface | i thought the trick with gnome was to not install the meta-package and to just install the parts you want |
| 02:54.48 | ManoftheSea | oh neat, okay |
| 02:54.49 | gnarface | oh, yea that's what the bot just said |
| 02:54.53 | Wally | OpenOffice is somehow linked in with gnome environment |
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| 02:55.05 | gnarface | switched to libreoffice |
| 02:55.08 | Wally | and Debian didn't give me any choice :P |
| 02:55.15 | Wally | Whatever is given with 6.0.5 |
| 02:55.21 | gnarface | you can install libreoffice i think |
| 02:55.25 | ManoftheSea | gnome-desktop-environment depends on gnome. |
| 02:55.39 | gnarface | i think libreoffice may actually uninstall openoffice |
| 02:55.41 | Wally | I don't want any of that stuff.. Mac OS X has all that stuff.. as its my host OS |
| 02:55.45 | Wally | I just need Debian for OpenPandora stuff |
| 02:57.21 | dzup | Wally: i never own a MAC, does have any kind of shell? |
| 02:57.32 | Wally | *Mac :P. |
| 02:57.55 | dzup | whatever but does have a shell prompt? |
| 02:57.58 | Wally | Yeah it has bash however the Toolchain is compiled in Debian.. I've tried to compile one all week but unsuccessful |
| 02:58.23 | iluminator105 | oneand0, did it work? |
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| 02:58.50 | dzup | Wally: so you have to buy bash? |
| 02:58.53 | Wally | No |
| 02:58.58 | Wally | its included with the OS.. |
| 02:59.30 | dzup | ok |
| 02:59.57 | ManoftheSea | dzup: it has a terminal |
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| 03:10.59 | Wally | So Abiword is required for Gnome to even run? |
| 03:14.50 | geosn | mustachebald |
| 03:14.56 | heoa-iPad | http://twitter.com/#!/heoaLov/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FNc9Qnt6P <--- what is wrong with sources.list? |
| 03:15.43 | heoa-iPad | Could someone cat /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 03:16.00 | heoa-iPad | to pastebin.org eg |
| 03:16.50 | brah | heoa-iPad, can you do `nslookup http.debian.net`? |
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| 03:18.37 | heoa-iPad | brah my comp is not connected to the internet, it takes some time to get it plugged in ... now in different comp |
| 03:18.55 | heoa-iPad | I will do it soon |
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| 03:20.38 | heoa-iPad | http://twitter.com/heoaLov/status/233388854785224705/photo/1 my newest, sources.list |
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| 03:22.45 | brah | You're trying to load squeeze main off the cdrom. Besides that, it should still be working. |
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| 03:24.25 | Shinobi | Does anyone know how to get the vboxadditions working in squeeze guest? |
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| 03:27.08 | heoa-iPad | aptitude install wireless-tools <---- is this enough to get wireless connection? |
| 03:27.28 | heoa-iPad | brah my x works |
| 03:27.44 | heoa-iPad | (no idea what the aptitude err means) |
| 03:27.59 | jbeatty | heoa-iPad: You need to learn how to ask questions |
| 03:28.02 | jbeatty | we have no idea what you want |
| 03:28.19 | jbeatty | you may want to install a graphical tool, I doubt you can use a console if you can't define aptitude |
| 03:29.20 | brah | heoa, I don't care that your x works, I asked you to resolve a hostname. |
| 03:29.26 | ManoftheSea | heoa-iPad: you probably need wireless card firmware |
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| 03:30.03 | heoa-iPad | aptitude wicd wireless-tools wpasupplicant --- I want to get wireless internet -connection so I do not need to run between rooms... |
| 03:30.32 | ManoftheSea | heoa-iPad: do you have a wireless card? |
| 03:32.11 | brah | How are you going to install packages if you can't access the repositories? |
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| 03:32.30 | heoa-iPad | x220 lenovo laptop, second have to dig proc speccs |
| 03:32.35 | Shinobi | Does debian not use "linux-headers-generic"? I don't see them in the repos |
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| 03:33.43 | brah | Shinobi, the metapackage? |
| 03:33.47 | ManoftheSea | you don't need proc specs. "lspci | grep -i net" might help |
| 03:34.20 | ManoftheSea | Shinobi: I have a "linux-headers" |
| 03:34.22 | Shinobi | brah: I guess.... not really sure. |
| 03:34.36 | Shinobi | ?? |
| 03:34.44 | Shinobi | let me check again. |
| 03:34.47 | ManoftheSea | not linux-headers-generic |
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| 03:35.23 | heoa-iPad | Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) |
| 03:35.59 | heoa-iPad | Network controller: Intel Corporation 6000 Series Gen2 (rev 34) |
| 03:36.41 | ManoftheSea | heoa-iPad: you need "firmware-iwlwifi" |
| 03:36.46 | ManoftheSea | it's in non-free |
| 03:37.07 | Shinobi | Sheeet man. I ain't got sheeet. I just have linux-headers-VERSION-common |
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| 03:38.41 | brah | The repos have arch-specific metapackages. |
| 03:38.46 | heoa-iPad | ManoftheSea: do I need wicd wireless-tools wpasupplicant ? |
| 03:38.52 | brah | 486, 686-pae, amd64, rt-686-pae |
| 03:38.54 | Shinobi | This is so painful. I need to turn off the lights and be eaten by a grue. |
| 03:39.25 | brah | You can't have a metapackage pointing to multiple packages, therefore 'linux-headers-generic' can never exist. |
| 03:39.31 | brah | Not in this universe, not in any universe. |
| 03:39.47 | ManoftheSea | heoa-iPad: you don't need all of them, but they won't hurt. |
| 03:40.12 | brah | Things that can't be can not be, otherwise they wouldn't not be, they'd be. Then we'd have giant ants with top hats dancing and stuff. |
| 03:41.01 | gnarface | Shinobi: what is your issue exactly? |
| 03:41.13 | Shinobi | brah: so all of a sudden, my debian guest in VBox is acting stupid... mouse doesn't sync, can't mount a vboxsf share.... yada yada yada. A website tells me to install dkms build-essentials and linux-headers-generic... |
| 03:41.36 | Shinobi | then reinstall guest additions.... |
| 03:41.42 | Shinobi | nothing seems to work... |
| 03:42.03 | Shinobi | And all I really want to do is work on a web app I'm building... |
| 03:42.17 | brah | Shinobi, you'll have to forego the metapackage and install the headers you need. |
| 03:42.43 | brah | Shinobi, install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 03:43.10 | Shinobi | fair enough.... does that sound like the right think to do? Or does that sound like nonsense... |
| 03:43.32 | brah | You will simply need to install new headers once your kernel gets upgraded |
| 03:43.33 | Shinobi | Half the crap on the web is outdated or just wrong |
| 03:43.56 | heoa-iPad | ManoftheSea: ok, thank you --- have to go other room to install things. |
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| 03:44.07 | gnarface | Shinobi: he is correct. apt-get update && apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 03:44.37 | Shinobi | oh, is that what happened? I didn't think about the kernel being updated... but yes, I did install updates recently |
| 03:44.48 | Shinobi | I'll give it a shot. |
| 03:45.30 | gnarface | Shinobi: linux-image[release#] and linux-headers[release#] are the runtime binary packages and dev headers packages respectively for any kernel in debian since... i forget. a couple versions now |
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| 03:47.12 | brah | A metapackage will do you a solid and always point to the latest version of that package |
| 03:47.50 | gnarface | well the only dkms stuff i've ever needed included the relevant header packages for me |
| 03:48.11 | gnarface | something tells me Shinobi installed stuff from outside of debian and it didn't play by all the rules |
| 03:48.36 | brah | gnarface, he was just reading an outdated tutorial. |
| 03:49.05 | brah | Although I don't think a generic metapackage for headers could exist as it'd have to point to multiple packages depending on your architecture, and that is not possible with apt. |
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| 03:49.48 | Shinobi | I thought I installed it with ubuntu... but obviously that's not debian.... |
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| 03:50.07 | Shinobi | I'm kind of a linux slut. I use a lot of them, but really don't know any of them well |
| 03:50.22 | gnarface | well in debian maybe the build-essential package will do what you want |
| 03:50.38 | Shinobi | we've got our fingers crossed |
| 03:51.34 | gnarface | if not then apt-get build-dep [linux-image* package name] certainly should i would think |
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| 03:51.58 | gnarface | whether that will solve your virtual box problem or not however i've got no clue |
| 03:52.00 | Shinobi | I'm not even sure if the headers are the problem... |
| 03:52.28 | gnarface | worth a try |
| 03:52.35 | brah | I don't even know how GuestAdditions is installed in Debian. |
| 03:53.36 | Shinobi | I think I d/l it off the site... it's been so long I don't remember |
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| 03:55.01 | Shinobi | "Mounting failed with: No Such Device" ... curse curse curse |
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| 03:55.35 | Shinobi | hey now! |
| 03:56.02 | brah | Pass me that tutorial |
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| 03:57.01 | Shinobi | I'll have to find it again... it was for ubuntu, but it was the only thing that I haven't tried yet. |
| 03:57.25 | brah | Shinobi, do you have X? |
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| 03:58.07 | Shinobi | If it came with the original install... Gnome uses X,no? |
| 03:58.23 | Shinobi | It's basically Debian with LAMP |
| 03:58.23 | brah | Yeah |
| 03:58.29 | jdgeier | pass that tutorial to the left brah ... yeah that is some tasty tutorial... |
| 03:58.55 | brah | Are you running Vbox headless or within a window? |
| 03:59.03 | Shinobi | In a window |
| 03:59.27 | Shinobi | and using the rdp server, if that matters |
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| 03:59.57 | brah | Oh, you'll need to access the VM window and go to Devices -> Install Guest Additions. I'm sure it can be done by console though. |
| 04:00.50 | Shinobi | OK. |
| 04:01.03 | brah | It should mount a CD on your Debian |
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| 04:10.45 | Shinobi | it errors out |
| 04:10.59 | Shinobi | I'm stopping. it's after midnight |
| 04:11.04 | brah | What errors out? |
| 04:11.08 | Shinobi | thanks for your help, though |
| 04:11.12 | Shinobi | the install |
| 04:11.47 | Shinobi | seriously, i need to drink. Tomorrow, I'll try again |
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| 04:15.47 | Shinobi | Thanks again for your time! |
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| 04:31.35 | lingolatz | Hello all, I am doing a survey for a high school project regarding Linux distributions. I would appreciate if you filled out this poll: misterpoll.com/polls/564906 (choose safemode) thank you :) |
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| 04:34.01 | brah | lingolatz, it doesn't work if I choose safe mode. |
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| 04:36.57 | lingolatz | brah: I am sorry, you may have to try the other mode, but I promise it is work safe |
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| 04:38.53 | Ramapitecus | hey guys. just wanna say tha I finally got debian install. I used the debootsrap method, with a live puppy linux as the base system |
| 04:39.15 | Ramapitecus | thanks for the people who helpped me. |
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| 04:41.29 | heoa | How can I increase the display resolution? |
| 04:41.53 | heoa | ManoftheSea: brah worked, now on my laptop with X :) |
| 04:42.24 | heoa | I have currently 1024x768 -something resolu |
| 04:42.31 | heoa | but wanting to get larger |
| 04:42.48 | jbeatty | heoa: have you ever used a GNU/Linux distribution before? |
| 04:42.50 | sney | check your X log for what driver you're using, if you're stuck at 10x7 you're probably on vesa |
| 04:42.56 | brah | I assume you're using Gnome. You'll find it under Settings -> System -> Screen Resolution or similar. |
| 04:42.56 | heoa | jbeatty: kidding? |
| 04:43.19 | jbeatty | Absolutely not. You seem like a beginner. |
| 04:43.29 | heoa | brah: I found the System > monitors but it has only 1024x768 |
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| 04:44.01 | brah | You're going to have to install your graphic card's drivers. |
| 04:44.05 | heoa | jbeatty: ... I like ask simple questions :) |
| 04:44.35 | jbeatty | He may also just have a crap monitor |
| 04:45.00 | heoa | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
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| 04:45.41 | brah | Run xrandr |
| 04:46.39 | heoa | http://pastebin.com/cqu1Y4Wa |
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| 04:49.09 | brah | Yep, no drivers. What are you using on your xorg.conf? |
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| 04:50.03 | heoa | brah: defaults |
| 04:50.22 | brah | ... vesa? |
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| 04:51.58 | brah | Is it Squeeze? |
| 04:51.59 | heoa | find /etc/X11/ -iname "xorg.conf" -- returns nothing |
| 04:52.01 | brah | Hope it's not Lenny. |
| 04:52.40 | heoa | $ cat /proc/version |
| 04:52.40 | heoa | Linux version 2.6.32-5-686 (Debian 2.6.32-45) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.3.5 (Debian 4.3.5-4) ) #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 |
| 04:53.27 | heoa | (not sure what this is: Lenny, Squeeze?!) |
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| 04:53.49 | brah | It's Squeeze, the current stable distribution. |
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| 04:54.13 | brah | Unfortunately the drivers are in unstable, so you'll have to install from the backports. http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1849 |
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| 05:05.13 | heoa | brah: but I have 32 bits... |
| 05:06.43 | brah | Then install whichever kernel image your architecture uses. |
| 05:06.44 | brah | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-3.2 |
| 05:07.23 | brah | Usually linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
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| 05:08.32 | heoa | yes that looks right |
| 05:09.21 | brah | If unsure, check the suffix of your current image using `uname -r` |
| 05:09.59 | heoa | uname -r |
| 05:10.00 | heoa | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 05:20.56 | WFPKHC | Heya all |
| 05:21.23 | WFPKHC | i have a pet dell 1950 which i installed debian on - via the cd and it sort of works |
| 05:21.56 | r0tha | WFPKHC: why do you say sort of |
| 05:22.08 | WFPKHC | i did a base install but - for some reason it does not have a sudoers file and i cannot do -sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade |
| 05:22.34 | brah | The default user is not in the sudoers list. |
| 05:22.43 | WFPKHC | when i did the - sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade - it came buack with 0 pdates [-21] |
| 05:22.51 | WFPKHC | im logged in as root |
| 05:23.15 | brah | What's the reason behind using sudo when you're logged in as root? |
| 05:23.54 | WFPKHC | well im trying to set up my account as a sudo-ers so that i will be able to log in with ssh later - so i can practice remote admin from my main pc |
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| 05:25.14 | jbeatty | # gpasswd -a user sudo |
| 05:25.18 | jbeatty | and make sure sudo is installed |
| 05:25.19 | jbeatty | done |
| 05:25.35 | WFPKHC | k ill try but i dont think sudo is installed - |
| 05:25.44 | WFPKHC | i will research to see how to install it |
| 05:25.45 | WFPKHC | brb |
| 05:26.02 | rizzle | aptitude install sudo |
| 05:26.10 | WFPKHC | hugs rizzle |
| 05:26.17 | rizzle | lol tnks |
| 05:26.38 | rizzle | s/lol/haha/g |
| 05:26.58 | brah | You just wiped all the lol's from the internet. |
| 05:27.13 | rizzle | yeah right. i did that for the ops here |
| 05:28.01 | rizzle | i de-loled the internet, with a one liner. win! |
| 05:28.05 | WFPKHC | is just writing instructions down bbs |
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| 05:38.34 | WFPKHC | ive added the sudo- but im sure in the back of my mind |
| 05:38.42 | WFPKHC | that tthere must be 2 things to add to the sudoers file |
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| 05:50.53 | mafiaboy | if i install debian beta now......can i upgrade when debian is released? |
| 05:52.46 | brah | mafiaboy, testing? Yes. |
| 05:53.08 | WFPKHC | puts a brand new packet of tim tams on the table to thank everyone for their help |
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| 05:53.38 | mafiaboy | talking about debian 7 beta brah |
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| 05:54.05 | brah | 7.0 is testing |
| 05:54.45 | mafiaboy | it froze o think |
| 05:54.51 | mafiaboy | i * |
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| 05:55.39 | brah | June 30th according to Google |
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| 05:56.34 | ectospasm | mafiaboy: actually, if you keep wheezy up-to-date while it's frozen, when it's released there will be very little you'll have to do. |
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| 05:58.15 | WFPKHC | could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock -- open - permission denied |
| 05:58.21 | WFPKHC | i did it with sudo though |
| 05:58.44 | WFPKHC | the command was "sudo aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 05:59.54 | WFPKHC | as i understand it - sudoers does not need restart |
| 05:59.56 | WFPKHC | it is real time |
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| 06:01.45 | mafiaboy | ectospasm: then i will eventually be using stable release |
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| 06:02.39 | mafiaboy | ? |
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| 06:08.21 | brah | mafiaboy, yes, if you use wheezy in your sources.list instead of testing. |
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| 06:15.17 | WFPKHC | ... |
| 06:15.58 | brah | WFPKHC, you forgot a sudo |
| 06:17.20 | WFPKHC | how? |
| 06:17.26 | WFPKHC | its one line in a text file? |
| 06:17.54 | brah | You sudo'ed aptitude update |
| 06:17.57 | brah | but not aptitude upgrade |
| 06:18.22 | WFPKHC | oh |
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| 06:19.25 | WFPKHC | thank you |
| 06:20.04 | WFPKHC | when i try to do sudo aptitude install ssh - it wants me to put in the installation cd =( |
| 06:20.42 | brah | Because you left the cdrom line in sources.list |
| 06:20.58 | WFPKHC | sorry - im brand new to this and i havent touched the sources.list |
| 06:21.01 | brah | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom line, make sure you still have a repo. |
| 06:21.08 | brah | Can you paste your sources.list file? |
| 06:21.09 | WFPKHC | k |
| 06:21.15 | WFPKHC | hugs brah |
| 06:21.26 | brah | You forgot to say 'no homo' |
| 06:22.19 | WFPKHC | ill remember that for next time brah =D no hugs since you dont like them - but i will leave you tim tams instead =D |
| 06:22.47 | brah | Which Debian version did you install? |
| 06:23.21 | WFPKHC | um - the lastest stable release i think |
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| 06:24.46 | WFPKHC | (its been a month since i installed and have only been able to play with my pet dell today) |
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| 06:29.25 | WFPKHC | woohoo got it working with ssh |
| 06:29.28 | WFPKHC | omg im so happy |
| 06:29.31 | WFPKHC | thanks heaps guys - you are the best! |
| 06:30.02 | WFPKHC | leaves a fresh packet of timtams on the table to eat and then runs off happily |
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| 06:30.13 | WFPKHC | special thanks to those that helped me =D |
| 06:30.36 | brah | The fuck was that. |
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| 06:36.50 | KerrMD | Hello all! How does one go about changing the default netmask that dhcpdiscover looks within at boot? It's driving my boot times through the roof and I cannot seem to find the answer. |
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| 06:37.36 | boudiccas | what can i use to read the system mail instead of mutt please? |
| 06:37.55 | aleixdorca | After an apt-get upgrade the linux-image-* package has been updated, should I always restart? |
| 06:38.36 | boudiccas | aleixdorca: if you get a new kernel its always a good idea to |
| 06:39.18 | aleixdorca | The only thing that has changed is the version, from 2.6.32-41squeeze2 to 2.6.32-45... is this what you mean? |
| 06:39.34 | boudiccas | aleixdorca: yes |
| 06:39.38 | aleixdorca | ok. Thanks. |
| 06:39.52 | boudiccas | aleixdorca: you're welcome :) |
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| 06:40.53 | aleixdorca | On another topic. Does anyone of you have random time jumps? I'm having problems with 2 machines running Squeeze. Not using ntpd, only ntpdate via a cron job. Every now and then the system clocks jumps 1 hour ahead... Anyone seen this? |
| 06:42.07 | boudiccas | aleixdorca: ntpd is oudated and has been superseded by ntp. if you install that it might help you get round the problems and save having a cron job to update the time |
| 06:42.07 | simonlnu | first don't cron ntpdate. that's broken. use ntpd. if you have a network, put ntpd on the main most stable box, and point the rest of your net at it. |
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| 06:42.44 | simonlnu | you'll get a lot steadier time with ntpd.... |
| 06:42.47 | boudiccas | ,v ntp |
| 06:42.48 | judd | Package: ntp on i386 -- lenny: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; lenny-security: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p2+dfsg-1+b1; sid: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2; wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2 |
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| 06:43.31 | simonlnu | ntpdate is - if to be used at all - a one-shot sort of deal. |
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| 06:44.56 | simonlnu | it's good if the system time is way way off, and needs to be readjusted so ntpd doesn't have to work so hard at syncing, but it should be run while ntpd is running. |
| 06:45.13 | simonlnu | while ntpd ISN'T running * |
| 06:45.18 | aleixdorca | Ok, thanks for your input, let me clarify... This doesn't seem to have anything to do with either ntpdate or ntpd... I've been using the ntpdate cron setup for almost three years now without any problems. Only recently when using dovecot an ntpdate was not an option I switched to ntp (not ntpd) on one machine. Suddenly one day the ntp process had died silently, no logs at all. The system time was one hour ahead. After purging ntp the same |
| 06:45.19 | aleixdorca | thing happened again. So it's not a problem of ntp* but something else. Could this be a faulty CMOS clock? On both machines? |
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| 06:47.06 | simonlnu | batteries dying? :P |
| 06:47.24 | simonlnu | some weird electrical surging ? :P |
| 06:47.33 | aleixdorca | maybe, the machines are almost 5 years old now... could this make the clock jump? |
| 06:48.06 | aleixdorca | and again, if the hwclock should jump would it be reflected on the sys clock? |
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| 06:50.30 | boudiccas | what can i use to read the system mail instead of mutt please? |
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| 06:55.06 | Skilz | sendmail? |
| 06:55.11 | Skilz | mail |
| 06:55.31 | boudiccas | to /read/ it |
| 06:55.45 | Skilz | Type mail |
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| 07:03.15 | boudiccas | Skilz: thanks for that, its most impressive |
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| 07:03.45 | brah | I hope that was sarcasm. |
| 07:03.59 | Skilz | No problem, the 'mail' command is standard on pretty much all POSIX systems also Open VMS ect. |
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| 07:07.36 | r0tha | rofl i want to paste this startup's hiring page so bad |
| 07:07.49 | r0tha | it's hilarious |
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| 07:10.20 | boudiccas | brah: no, it wasn't sarcastic, i was just commenting on how i found the programme |
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| 07:22.47 | karl_k | hi, one of our servers is having problems, we found this in the syslog: http://pastebin.com/2dWidPAH |
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| 07:23.02 | karl_k | this is on a amd64 system using dm-crypt over raid5 |
| 07:23.29 | karl_k | the server is still running, we issued shutdown -r now, nothing happened |
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| 07:23.38 | karl_k | any idea what could be going on ? |
| 07:24.19 | zecrazytux | karl_k: a deadlock |
| 07:25.05 | karl_k | zecrazytux: could you explain a bit more ? |
| 07:25.09 | karl_k | please |
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| 07:25.49 | zecrazytux | karl_k: if you cannot issue a soft reboot, but the system is still running, it is likely to be a deadlock. you'll have to hard reboot it |
| 07:26.35 | karl_k | we are fine with resetting it, the server is not yet in production, however, we need to resolve the underlying issue |
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| 07:28.22 | bluesm | Hey. |
| 07:28.49 | bluesm | I have problem with fonts on Debian. Opera and Iceweasel can't render Georgia. |
| 07:29.01 | bluesm | Efect is: |
| 07:29.20 | bluesm | http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/8693/screenshotrckm.png |
| 07:29.27 | nkuttler | karl_k: "kernel BUG at" sounds like a buggy kernel release |
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| 07:30.58 | zecrazytux | karl_k: http://www.saout.de/pipermail/dm-crypt/2012-January/002275.html |
| 07:31.19 | Thibaud | Hi everyone |
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| 07:31.32 | Thibaud | Need a bit of help using echo |
| 07:31.38 | karl_k | its debian squeeze, that should be stable ? |
| 07:31.58 | karl_k | zecrazytux: seen that post, however, different kernel, different system |
| 07:32.13 | Thibaud | Basically, I want to create a script to create a script |
| 07:32.17 | karl_k | and looks like different bug |
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| 07:33.24 | taipres | does debian have rolling release? |
| 07:33.44 | taipres | I want access to latest repo without having to upgrade every 6 months like with ubuntu |
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| 07:34.04 | karl_k | hi thibaud: you could use here documents: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/here-docs.html |
| 07:34.15 | nkuttler | taipres: no |
| 07:34.17 | Thibaud_ | Something like echo "SCRIPT contempt" > file |
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| 07:35.08 | taipres | nkuttler so how does debian world work, I take it for newest versions aptitude doesn't do it? |
| 07:35.11 | taipres | have to manually install? |
| 07:35.34 | Thibaud_ | My point is that right now, my bash code is being executed |
| 07:35.38 | bluesm | Is somebody know why is the problem with Georgia in debian ? |
| 07:35.41 | Thibaud_ | The bash code in my script |
| 07:36.08 | nkuttler | taipres: it depends. there are backports, and testing and unstable releases |
| 07:36.09 | Thibaud_ | for example, if I type that |
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| 07:36.12 | Thibaud_ | #flood echo " #! /bin/bash TOTAL=`cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal: | awk '{print $2}'` " > /etc/banner |
| 07:36.38 | Thibaud_ | I will get "TOTAL = number" under my /etc/banner file |
| 07:36.59 | Thibaud_ | is there a way for the bash code not to be interpreted by echo ? |
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| 07:37.19 | taipres | nkuttler ok are new releases commonly added |
| 07:37.24 | taipres | or just for major projects? |
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| 07:37.34 | nkuttler | taipres: hm? |
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| 07:38.49 | Thibaud_ | Thanks karl_k for the document |
| 07:38.54 | Thibaud_ | I will take a look |
| 07:39.02 | taipres | i'm saying does aptitude repo tend to have latest versions of things or just for major projects? |
| 07:39.20 | nkuttler | taipres: you *never* get anything new in the stable release |
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| 07:39.33 | taipres | nice |
| 07:39.40 | nkuttler | taipres: if you really need a newer package you use a backport, if there is one available |
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| 07:40.25 | nkuttler | taipres: if you are experienced with Debian you can run the testing/unstable branches and help debug/fix new packages |
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| 07:40.42 | nkuttler | those are not intended for production systems |
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| 07:44.41 | Thibaud_ | My point here is that typing echo "VARIABLE=`SOMETHING`" > file, the SOMETHING command is going to get interpreted |
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| 07:45.05 | Thibaud_ | Is there a way for echo to only print characters out, and not try to interpret the command ? |
| 07:45.34 | Papa | helloo guys i have managed to install debian live amd 64 bit xfce iso dual boot with windows 7 but i cannot configure my network i have adsl-pppoe connection ny help |
| 07:45.58 | nkuttler | Thibaud_: \` |
| 07:46.27 | Thibaud_ | Thanks nkuttler |
| 07:46.57 | taipres | thanks for the help |
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| 07:48.10 | nkuttler | Papa: normally you'd load the pppoe modules during install and afaik the config is preserved then |
| 07:48.43 | Papa | i did not have network access during installation |
| 07:48.55 | nkuttler | Papa: do you have pppoeconf installed? |
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| 07:49.12 | davidgul | hello |
| 07:49.23 | Papa | comman not found :( |
| 07:49.43 | Papa | hey i have this wicd |
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| 07:52.01 | alexey | Hi all! I'm trying to build my cmake based project (I've migrated it from qmake). So I have a problem with include paths. My projects uses common sources (they were controlled by *.pri file when I used to use qmake). I've made *.cmake equivalent to 'em. All was good but common sources are in parent dir of course. And moc files from them going in strange CMake dir (something like that: __/__/3rdparty/qtpropertybrowser/src/moc_qttreepropertybrowser.cxx. Wher |
| 07:52.01 | alexey | e each __/ means ../ I think). Finally, here is my question: How I can in "right" and portable way add this moc files dir to include path from cmake? |
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| 07:55.20 | Thibaud_ | Is there a way for echo to escape all characters ? |
| 07:55.29 | xgl__ | hi all |
| 07:55.36 | Thibaud_ | I mean, I try to echo a lot of command into a script file |
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| 07:55.57 | Thibaud_ | but I need to manually escape all `,$," and so on |
| 07:56.07 | Thibaud_ | It is quite time consuming |
| 07:57.07 | nkuttler | Thibaud_: ask #bash |
| 07:57.32 | Thibaud_ | Oh, thx |
| 07:57.38 | davidgul | hello |
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| 08:00.05 | davidgul | I tried to install debian but when i need to chose what hdd is going to be used for the os, the installation don't show me anything |
| 08:00.32 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.39 | bluesm | In Iceweasel and opera ? |
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| 08:09.31 | BTG_Delta | I have a strange problem installing a new kernel. I miss my initrd image under /boot. What could be the cause for this? |
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| 08:11.58 | JustSomeGuy | hi is it possible to just get the upgradeable packages from apt-get? like this http://pastebin.com/v0zpPRiN i tried -q -qq + -u but with no success |
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| 08:22.45 | davidgul | I tried to install debian but when i need to chose what hdd is going to be used for the os, the installation don't show me anything |
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| 08:24.56 | JustSomeGuy | davidgul, you shure debian has drivers for your hdd controller? |
| 08:25.12 | JustSomeGuy | -h |
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| 08:26.22 | davidgul | i used this driver with debian and now i upgrade ny mother bord and add another hdd and the ssetup wont recognize them both, by the way backtrack and ubuntu recognized it in 100 % |
| 08:26.40 | davidgul | JustSomeGuy: i used this driver with debian and now i upgrade ny mother bord and add another hdd and the ssetup wont recognize them both, by the way backtrack and ubuntu recognized it in 100 % |
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| 08:27.32 | JustSomeGuy | davidgul, did backtrack and ubuntu recognize them with the old setup or the new? |
| 08:28.58 | JustSomeGuy | up sry work is calling |
| 08:30.19 | davidgul | i used live cd not the installation |
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| 08:30.34 | davidgul | JustSomeGuy : i used live cd not the installation |
| 08:30.37 | Twinkletoes | Has anyone here ever installed Confluence on debian? Should I use the .bin installer provided by Atlassian, or download the .tar file and install manually? |
| 08:31.21 | Twinkletoes | I did try the .bin installer yesterday but the documentation didn't seem to match what the installer actually did (or didn't) do |
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| 08:35.56 | subb1 | I deleted those 2 files and restarted and reloaded syslog=ng conf but no effect! |
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| 08:36.04 | subb1 | Please help, as logging to other files like auth.log, cron.log, syslog-ng.log are working fine. |
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| 08:36.14 | subb1 | I'm using debian6 |
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| 08:44.52 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Have you got logrotate running on them, is it changing permissions on files when it re-creates them? |
| 08:46.07 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, No, logrotate configs are fine. Infact, they are configured to rotate weekly. During this period when I noticed issue, logrotate didn't work on them. |
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| 08:46.45 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Have you tested using 'logger' to insert messages into the various logs? |
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| 08:47.44 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, I'm wondering because -auth.log, cron.log, syslog-ng in /var/log are logging fine. Its /var/log/messages and kern.log that are not being created on syslog-ng restart. No I havent tested with logger. |
| 08:49.15 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, Sorry I'm not sure how to do also. I mean, capture system log using 'logger' to a file. |
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| 08:49.48 | Twinkletoes | subb1: man logger? |
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| 08:49.57 | alexey | Hi all! Can you help me formate sed command which will replace 'moc_*.cpp' word to 'moc_*.cxx' |
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| 08:50.49 | Twinkletoes | subb1: I've not used it for years, but looking at the man page, you need teh -p option |
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| 08:54.37 | Twinkletoes | alexey: What's your input look like? |
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| 08:55.49 | Twinkletoes | alexey: Something simple like: cat <input> |sed -e 's/moc_\(.*\).cpp/moc_\1.cxx/g' might work, although many people will probably shoot me down in flames for using .* as it's mega-greedy |
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| 08:58.58 | suborbital | hi |
| 08:59.00 | Slydder | hey all |
| 08:59.03 | Slydder | does anyone know how I can get pptpd/pppd to pass an email address as the username to freeradius for auth? |
| 08:59.16 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, I'm lost here. Should I use > logger -p kern.crit ? |
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| 08:59.30 | Twinkletoes | subb1: I'm guessing that might work |
| 08:59.50 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Note the quiotes in the example |
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| 09:00.18 | alexey | Twinkletoes, thx |
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| 09:05.13 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Can you use a pastebin for your syslog conf file? |
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| 09:06.29 | extrasolar | Is there a way to boot debian to the terminal and not the gui? |
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| 09:06.48 | extrasolar | BUT just in case I want the gui hve the ability to type a keystroke and it is loaded |
| 09:07.07 | subb1 | http://pastebin.com/LMir0TL4 Twinkletoes thanks |
| 09:07.18 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, its the syslog-ng conf file |
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| 09:07.42 | shingouz | extrasolar: do not install a display manager on your system, you will have to use startx to fire up the X after that |
| 09:08.17 | extrasolar | too late |
| 09:08.20 | extrasolar | I have a fresh install |
| 09:09.08 | shingouz | !tell extrasolar about nodm |
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| 09:09.36 | shingouz | extrasolar: just remove the display manager you have and you have a system that boots up to a pure console |
| 09:09.49 | brah | Even simpler, just don't let the display manager autostart. |
| 09:10.01 | brah | update-rc.d gdm3 remove |
| 09:10.15 | shingouz | brah: but in that case, what is the point of having a dm? |
| 09:10.21 | extrasolar | but what if I wanted the graphical desktop to run? |
| 09:10.25 | brah | No idea. |
| 09:10.30 | shingouz | extrasolar: startx |
| 09:10.36 | extrasolar | wow |
| 09:10.41 | extrasolar | and it'll ust load up gnonme |
| 09:11.13 | brah | Or invoke-rc.d gdm3 start, the 'debian way' |
| 09:11.21 | shingouz | extrasolar: if you have gnome installed, it should do that. some desktops have their own startup command but mostly startx should work too |
| 09:12.25 | shingouz | personally i would not run a dm in the first place if i wanted a console to come up at boot. i do have to mention that none of my systems have a dm installed... |
| 09:12.42 | Twinkletoes | subb1: What are the perms on /var/log/messages and /var/log/kern.log? |
| 09:12.54 | Twinkletoes | subb1: And who's the owner of these files? |
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| 09:17.00 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, permissions are root.root and 644 for all the standard log files. |
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| 09:17.46 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Does /var/log/messages exist at the moment? |
| 09:18.45 | Twinkletoes | What are the permissions on the directory /var/log itself? |
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| 09:19.33 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, Usually if none of files existed, as syslog-ng is restarted, those files get created automatically. At the moment it didn't exists. But I created one and reloaded syslog-ng. Still not logging to 'messages'. /var/log - 766 (root.root) |
| 09:20.53 | Twinkletoes | subb1: 1. Change the permissions on /var/log/messages to 644 or 640, don't give guests any write access to this file |
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| 09:21.28 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, ok. its changed to 644. |
| 09:21.32 | Twinkletoes | subb1: does it start logging once the file is created? You can test this by typing 'logger test' It should appear in /var/log/emssages |
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| 09:21.44 | Twinkletoes | oops, /var/log/messages |
| 09:22.15 | protomouse | I'm unable to change the TTY keyboard layout settings on my server. Is "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration && setupcon" (followed by reboot) correct? |
| 09:22.28 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, ah perfect. the log just appeared when I used logger. |
| 09:22.37 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Now stop syslog |
| 09:22.42 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Delete /var/log/messages |
| 09:22.48 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Start syslog |
| 09:23.04 | Twinkletoes | subb1: type 'logger another test' |
| 09:23.11 | Twinkletoes | subb1: tail /var/log/messages |
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| 09:23.20 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Is the file being created? |
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| 09:24.06 | Twinkletoes | subb1: It sounds like it's working OK. You've jsut got to wait for syslog to need to write to that log before it created the file |
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| 09:24.38 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, Yep. the log file got created ! |
| 09:25.06 | LordShiva | Hi I have new problem I have just purchased new adsl connection with my new provider and I cant connect thru that adsl modem |
| 09:25.06 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Then it was working all along :) |
| 09:25.38 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, oh ! my bad. But how come no entries for /var/log/messages for almost 10 hours! ? |
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| 09:26.08 | Twinkletoes | subb1: that is another issue ;) |
| 09:26.09 | LordShiva | It seems that adsl modem is ok and connected because I have now IPTV on it and it works also diagnostics when I run on modem it reports ok that can ping dns servers can ping google.com ... |
| 09:26.22 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, similarly kern.log also. I mean, aren't they the ones that get populated every 4 or 5 seconds? |
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| 09:26.35 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Certainly, your syslog.conf file looks ok - but I've never used that one so I wouldn't *really* know |
| 09:27.16 | Twinkletoes | subb1: My kern.log... nothing between 17:15 yesterday and 10:11 this morning (primarily because the machine was just idling) |
| 09:28.21 | LordShiva | Well Twinkletoes dont you have fragmented packets in your kern.log |
| 09:28.30 | LordShiva | IP packets |
| 09:28.40 | LordShiva | Blocked ip packets ... |
| 09:28.56 | Twinkletoes | LordShiva: Standard install of Squeeze on 64-bit hardware, and I don't have any - perhaps my network is nice |
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| 09:29.33 | Twinkletoes | LordShiva: It's running as a VM so maybe that smoothes the network out a bit |
| 09:29.59 | Twinkletoes | LordShiva: In fact the only messages from this morning are because I restarted rsyslog 3 times during testing |
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| 09:30.12 | amigamia | protomouse i saw this online http://benohead.com/debian-change-the-keyboard-layout-from-the-console/ |
| 09:30.48 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, oh ok. any hint on how I can troubleshoot this? :) ... thanks for your time ! |
| 09:30.49 | LordShiva | I'm also 64bit installation of Debian Squeeze now already wheezy :) And I get annoyed sometimes by those blocked ip packets I dont know how to disable logging of them |
| 09:31.47 | LordShiva | can someone help with networking problem |
| 09:31.48 | LordShiva | ? |
| 09:31.49 | Twinkletoes | subb1: I would suggest that it 'logger' puts entries in the correct logs, then the problem isn't syslog |
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| 09:32.02 | Twinkletoes | ruffles LordShiva's hair playfully |
| 09:32.29 | amigamia | protomouse this as well http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5483&p=114151 |
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| 09:34.32 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, ok. somthing to do with system? any way to troubleshoot ? :) |
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| 09:35.53 | Twinkletoes | subb1: As far as I understand, logger simply inserts a message into the logging system, and syslog deals with it. So, if you're convinced there's something wrong, you might try and make your system do bad things which will cause a logging entry. |
| 09:36.01 | Twinkletoes | subb1: you could try rebooting your machine? |
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| 09:36.20 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Stop the syslog first, then delete the log files you want to check (messages/kern) tbefore you reboot |
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| 09:37.04 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, Its a nice idea. But have no option to reboot since this is a live server ! yikes :) |
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| 09:37.28 | Twinkletoes | subb1: You're messing on live server? - Naughty boy! |
| 09:37.42 | Twinkletoes | subb1: I do it all the time, but I have a small use rbase :) |
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| 09:38.23 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Honestly, I think everything is OK. You've just got to wait for a message, or configure some software to write to syslog. Some services can be confnigured to do that |
| 09:38.44 | Twinkletoes | subb1: you could install 'bind' as I knwo that's very log-happy |
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| 09:39.53 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, ah. :) I need to configure a centralized logger server using syslog-ng which is my task. Since other logs are being populated, like - cron.log, auth.log, syslog-ng maybe you're right ! and i should wait for services to write into it. :D |
| 09:40.58 | Twinkletoes | subb1: That's what I would do... logger is provided exactly for this kind of troubleshooting, and it indicates nothing is wrong at this time. There's no point trying to troubleshoot something which the troubleshooting tool has indicated is OK> |
| 09:42.11 | subb1 | Twinkletoes: oh yea :D ... Could you suggest me more where I can read on 'logger' rather than man page. I mean I would like to know how logger picked up our test message and sent it to /var/log/messsages during out testing. |
| 09:42.30 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, I mean actual behind scenes of that process |
| 09:42.39 | Twinkletoes | subb1: Google! I don't know any more than that :) Or perhaps you could examine the source code? |
| 09:42.54 | Twinkletoes | subb1: If you find out, please tell me :) |
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| 09:45.02 | subb1 | Twinkletoes. I'm on it and sure I shall let you know ! :D |
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| 09:46.31 | listenpreis | would I need special drivers for FC HBAs (in general) |
| 09:46.44 | listenpreis | to make it work - or would it be something that works out of the box? |
| 09:48.24 | ChrisH | listenpreis: depending on the specific HBA, my expecteation is should work out of the box..more or less |
| 09:49.30 | listenpreis | okay thanks |
| 09:49.51 | listenpreis | 2nd question: should a raid5 in general be faster as a single drive of the array? |
| 09:49.56 | listenpreis | *than |
| 09:50.16 | ChrisH | listenpreis: in theory of course |
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| 09:52.08 | ChrisH | assuming, no disk in the raid5 is faulty and we have a software raid. (There are real HW raids out there, with fast RAID Controllers where no impact can bedetected if case of a failed/missing disk.) |
| 09:53.50 | listenpreis | okay I because I have a hardware raid and a software raid (both raid5) and the hardware raid is somehoe slower in reading |
| 09:54.03 | ectospasm | whatsa timtam? |
| 09:54.13 | listenpreis | I'll have a wget log up in a 2 minutes |
| 09:54.16 | ectospasm | oops, scroll fail |
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| 09:55.24 | brah | Some kind of candy or cookie I'm guessing. |
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| 09:57.55 | ChrisH | listenpreis: what HW Raid? "Real" HW or a simple PCI Card claiming to be a HW Raid? |
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| 09:58.30 | listenpreis | ChrisH: sec |
| 09:58.40 | listenpreis | http://pastebin.com/wxrzsS5S |
| 09:59.19 | shaullx | why is it when i use mysqldump in a shell script to backup my database it says (Using password: NO), though i do have the parameter --password=pass (tried with -pPassword as well)? |
| 09:59.24 | listenpreis | it's no ram issue since I had the hardware raid already in the other server with 4 gb of ram |
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| 09:59.38 | listenpreis | or at least I don't think it has anything to do with the ram... |
| 09:59.44 | shaullx | works fine is i type the exact same command in the terminal |
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| 09:59.55 | shaullx | if* |
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| 10:01.06 | nsadmin | listenpreis, another info source: #mysql |
| 10:01.39 | listenpreis | hm? |
| 10:01.46 | ectospasm | shaullx: does the scripted command return anything on stdout or stderr? |
| 10:02.13 | shaullx | ectospasm what do you mean? :3 |
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| 10:03.01 | ectospasm | shaullx: I mean exactly what I said. Does the scripted command write anything to either the stdout or stderr file descriptors? |
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| 10:03.29 | ectospasm | ...meaning, does it print anything to the terminal (either stdout or stderr) |
| 10:03.40 | ChrisH | listenpreis: Your HW Raid is this Adapatec card? Well then I do expect this result. I personally do not like any of these HW Raid, as they do not allow anything in case of trouble. |
| 10:04.11 | ectospasm | I think the next NAS I build is not going to use RAID at all. |
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| 10:06.53 | ChrisH | listenpreis: I had the chance to see similar data from a SW Raid 5 on 5 WD 1TB Disks some days agao. write was up to 136MB/sec |
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| 10:07.36 | listenpreis | http://pastebin.com/GkgFMC2m |
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| 10:07.51 | listenpreis | maybe it's because I use WD Green? |
| 10:08.19 | listenpreis | ChrisH: the software raid performs good... that's not the point ;) |
| 10:09.37 | ChrisH | listenpreis: I do not like HW Raids as Card at all. A stand alaone Storage is a different thing. But then I am talking about a differnt price area. |
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| 10:19.25 | KsM | [ ok ] Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm3. |
| 10:19.47 | KsM | What does it mean by schedule? Will it automatically restart later on? |
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| 10:43.03 | woshty | what does "subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 10" mean? how can i get details about what failed? |
| 10:43.37 | pinkus | is it true that xfce would be the default DE for 7.0 release? |
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| 10:50.04 | Twinkletoes | Has anyone here ever installed Confluence on debian? Should I use the .bin installer provided by Atlassian, or download the .tar file and install manually? |
| 10:50.23 | Twinkletoes | The .bin file didn't seem to create all the things the documentation said it would |
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| 10:53.33 | nightmare22 | hi |
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| 10:55.22 | nightmare22 | what r u saying |
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| 11:00.46 | psycose | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.13 | subb1 | Twinkletoes, http://library.linode.com/web-applications/wikis/confluence/debian-5-lenny ? yea maybe you tried that already ;) |
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| 11:09.44 | woshty | can i get dpkg to at least put out the line number where the script fails? |
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| 11:12.13 | TuxFighter_alt | Hi ich habe einen Artikel über Cyclic Executive übersetzt, kann jemand der etwas mehr Ahnung hat mal drüber schauen? https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/wiki/Benutzer:TuxFighter/Artikelwerkstatt/Cyclic_Executive |
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| 11:13.00 | TuxFighter_alt | sry wrong chat |
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| 11:22.47 | Niek_ | Hi, I get an error on boot that I can't explain. Perhaps someone here knows? /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
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| 11:23.42 | FilipeMaia | Hi. Is it possible to have a switch that accepts both infiniband and ethernet? |
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| 11:25.26 | ksk | Niek_: what are you doing to get this error? |
| 11:25.38 | Niek_ | ksk: I get the error on boot |
| 11:25.44 | Niek_ | after several services have started |
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| 11:29.37 | dokma | where is grub2 menu delay set? |
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| 11:34.59 | Niek_ | ksk: any idea? it'd be very helpful :) |
| 11:37.26 | Nirgal | dokma: try /etc/default/grub |
| 11:37.37 | dokma | tx |
| 11:38.07 | ksuhku | dokma, remember to updat-grub after any changes |
| 11:38.15 | dokma | just did, thanks |
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| 11:40.09 | ksk | Niek_: did you google this error? |
| 11:40.17 | Niek_ | ksk: extensively |
| 11:40.27 | Niek_ | none of the suggestions I found worked |
| 11:41.11 | Niek_ | I'm not sure if it's a grub or initfs error, since the machine seems to boot properly and starts loading services, but then it fails with the abovementioned error |
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| 11:42.04 | sKeiths | i have iftop installed, and when i run it i get letters qqqqqqqqqqqq where there should be a curses line. my term is xterm-color but i have also tried changing to xterm, same. i am connecting to machine via putty, any help on where i should look to fix this display issue. |
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| 12:01.12 | pozic | Everyone panicking with the virus outbreaks? |
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| 12:01.30 | pozic | Oops, wrong channel :P ^^ |
| 12:01.31 | Flashtek | virus ? |
| 12:02.05 | pozic | Flashtek: people running lesser operating systems seem to be under massive attack. |
| 12:02.17 | Flashtek | oh.. |
| 12:02.20 | Flashtek | hadn't noticed.. |
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| 12:02.30 | Flashtek | oh wait.. that's 'doze... |
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| 12:06.47 | Nirgal | I just switch to xcfe from gnome3. Pfew, what a relief!! :D Customization of panels work again, keyboard shortcuts too. Thanks to whoever decided to next debian release will change its default window manager :D |
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| 12:07.40 | ManoftheSea | Nirgal: switch made to fit on cd. |
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| 12:07.52 | Calinou | Nirgal, gnome does suck now :P |
| 12:07.52 | ManoftheSea | I haven't seen mention of functionality factor into it. |
| 12:08.03 | ManoftheSea | but /me likes gnome... |
| 12:08.09 | Calinou | pozic, no, you're lesser |
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| 12:09.09 | pozic | Calinou: because? |
| 12:09.19 | Calinou | what's "lesser" for you? |
| 12:09.21 | pozic | You can run Gnome2 on Debian. |
| 12:09.29 | Calinou | not testing/unstable |
| 12:09.32 | Calinou | MATE is for trolls |
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| 12:09.34 | pozic | It's just called differently now. |
| 12:09.48 | Calinou | and xfce > gnome 2 IMO: more recent |
| 12:09.57 | pozic | Calinou: what's wrong with MATE? |
| 12:10.05 | Calinou | it's for trolls who use memes incorrectly |
| 12:10.09 | pozic | Calinou: or Cinnamon. |
| 12:10.12 | wonderworld | cool thing that xfce will become the default desktop. hope it will push xfce development |
| 12:10.28 | pozic | Calinou: lesser as in 'less worthy of attention' |
| 12:10.46 | pozic | Calinou: like, probably everyone in this channel did understand. |
| 12:10.56 | jelly | Calinou: keep it cool with troll-calling lest it be turned around on yourself |
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| 12:11.03 | pozic | Calinou: as such, it feels silly that I even have to explain this. |
| 12:11.10 | jelly | pozic: he's doing it intentionally. |
| 12:11.16 | Calinou | pozic, [citation needed] anyway |
| 12:11.21 | pozic | jelly: ok, I will put him on my ignore list. |
| 12:11.24 | pozic | jelly: thanks |
| 12:11.25 | jelly | good idea |
| 12:11.27 | Calinou | lol |
| 12:11.31 | pozic | Done |
| 12:11.38 | Calinou | I'm certainly not doing that intentionally, mate fanboy |
| 12:11.40 | jargon- | any beads on backported chromium-browser .deb? |
| 12:12.26 | pozic | Trolling aside, why would Debian be any more secure than Windows? |
| 12:12.43 | pozic | Both are systems written in C and/or C++. |
| 12:12.44 | abrotman | take this to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:12.55 | babilen | Calinou: It would be very much preferred if you could spare us the FUD and take it to #debian-offtopic or elsewhere. |
| 12:13.07 | jelly | babilen: he's banned in #d-o |
| 12:13.14 | abrotman | which one? |
| 12:13.16 | thewanderer1 | hah |
| 12:13.17 | babilen | orly? |
| 12:13.18 | abrotman | or both ? |
| 12:14.11 | thewanderer1 | sometimes I think we should employ a "trap" channel called #debian-rant or so... 200 artificial audience (being bots who sometimes /say lol) |
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| 12:14.51 | thewanderer1 | and see how long it takes people to realize... |
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| 12:17.49 | ManoftheSea | thewanderer1: debian-soapbox |
| 12:17.57 | ChrisH | grabs some popcorn and a cup of coffee and waits :) |
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| 12:20.58 | LordShiva | take chill position and wake himself with doble strong coffee |
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| 12:22.13 | Nirgal | I plan to install debian stable tomorrow on a computer without internet (well 56k might work). I plan to bring only CD1. Will I be able to set up a basic system, or shall I burn more cds? |
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| 12:22.40 | abrotman | Nirgal: that will get you a basic desktop |
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| 12:23.06 | thewanderer1 | I'd rather take a DVD with me for an offline destination |
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| 12:24.08 | Nirgal | thewanderer1: I did not see the dvd images. Thanks! |
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| 12:25.17 | ManoftheSea | Nirgal: do you have a 60G HDD? |
| 12:25.24 | ManoftheSea | Mirror the repo, take that in with you. |
| 12:25.37 | Nirgal | I need to leave in an hour ... :/ |
| 12:26.00 | thewanderer1 | DVD1 is just fine for a GNOME desktop |
| 12:27.12 | ManoftheSea | that depends on your internet speed. |
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| 12:27.27 | ManoftheSea | You might also use the debtorrent cd-maker... thing |
| 12:27.39 | ManoftheSea | Well, since I forget the name, I recind my suggestion |
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| 12:27.58 | Nirgal | I don't want to start another troll, but I installed my grand parents a windows 3 years ago, and now they have "only the desktop" (full of viruses I guess). They are getting Debian that time! :) |
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| 12:28.30 | ManoftheSea | if they're willing to re-learn where everything is... |
| 12:28.45 | ManoftheSea | at least they're unlikely to get root virii |
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| 12:29.31 | Nirgal | They never really could use it, so changing habits in not a problem ... |
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| 12:30.50 | babilen | Nirgal: I would strongly suggest to at least get DVD1 as CD1 does not contain all packages that are needed for a complete GNOME desktop. If you plan to install a different desktop (e.g. XFCE or LXDE) you are fine with the desktop specific CD1 though. |
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| 12:32.25 | Nirgal | babilen: Damn, ok, thanks a lot! |
| 12:32.31 | babilen | Nirgal: You might want to take a look at both http://xfce.org/ and http://www.lxde.org to learn about them. You might also want to read http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/installation.html and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en -- What kind of hardware are you installing on? |
| 12:33.10 | Nirgal | Regular pentium, it was a good computer 5 years ago. |
| 12:33.13 | nkuttler | !tell ManoftheSea about virii |
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| 12:34.33 | babilen | Nirgal: A problem one of my relatives is facing with GNOME right now is that she struggled hard to learn Gnome2 and everything is different with Gnome3 -- She is sincerely angry with me for making such a bad choice. I should have introduced her to Gnome3 or XFCE as it was a mistake to ever let her learn Gnome2. |
| 12:34.39 | ManoftheSea | nkuttler: thanks. Given it's an english word now, it should probably follow english rules. |
| 12:34.48 | ManoftheSea | But I'm glad to know it was never correct, even in latin. |
| 12:35.14 | ManoftheSea | babilen: she might as well be mad about learning CP/M |
| 12:35.18 | ManoftheSea | things change. |
| 12:35.30 | ManoftheSea | Tell her to keep using Gnome 2 |
| 12:35.40 | Nirgal | babilen: Is XFCE ok for beginers, in debian/stable? |
| 12:35.50 | babilen | ManoftheSea: I don't think that is an option given that it will not be supported much longer. |
| 12:36.10 | ManoftheSea | she's mad that some other people no longer want to cater directly to her? |
| 12:36.27 | wonderworld | i think xfce is great. can look exactly as gnome 2 for the autistic, is very fast and feature rich |
| 12:36.36 | babilen | Nirgal: Sure it is -- It might even be the desktop that will be installed by default with Debian 7 (wheezy) -- Take a look, I can recommend it: http://xfce.org/ |
| 12:37.29 | Nirgal | babilen: I made the switch yesterday on my laptop, this is for my grandparents, they just learn to use a mouse ... |
| 12:38.04 | babilen | ManoftheSea: If you are interested in discussing this further we should take it to #debian-offopic. Your perspective of things change when you are older than 75 and learn things for the first time. It was a struggle to learn some "ways" and it is just confusing if these "ways" change. |
| 12:38.21 | wonderworld | i use ubuntu on desktops. i switched, when unity was introduced. it's a great gnome replacement. i wish i would have tested it even earlier |
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| 12:39.44 | babilen | Nirgal: I've been through the same thing with two relatives. If my experience is anything to go by: Keep it simple (there is only a single way!! yes, always!), explain procedures first and then abstractions and (most importantly) choose a platform that is stable (in the "unchanging" meaning) -- I made the mistake to choose an unstable desktop environment (Gnome2) and wouldn't recommend to repeat that. |
| 12:39.46 | Nirgal | I've read cairodock is nice on xcfe4 / testing, I could not try it yet |
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| 12:41.51 | Nirgal | babilen: You are right, thank you for the tip. |
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| 12:42.44 | wonderworld | when you explain something, they will remember the first thing you tell them forever. so make sure, it's something important. |
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| 12:44.38 | Nirgal | "click shutdown and wait for the computer to be silent before pressing the hardware off you have on the plug" I guess :) |
| 12:44.39 | babilen | wonderworld: Exactly :) |
| 12:45.08 | BCMM | i am setting up a Debian Squeeze system here and have installed kernel 3.2.0 from backports because it was not correctly detecting HDMI audio on my nvidia ion. however, x is now not working. how can I install a binary nvidia driver compatible with this kernel? |
| 12:45.56 | wonderworld | i prefer explaining them, how to find, install and remove software. |
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| 12:46.16 | wonderworld | it's usually the first thing they get on my nerves with |
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| 12:46.47 | Joe412 | okay so i have an ubuntu machine |
| 12:46.59 | Joe412 | and i whant to swich to debian but i dont know how to back up my home folder |
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| 12:47.52 | wonderworld | Joe412: just copy/burn it to any external storage? |
| 12:48.10 | Joe412 | 478gb? |
| 12:48.14 | Joe412 | realy? |
| 12:48.25 | wonderworld | no /home partition? |
| 12:48.44 | ManoftheSea | Joe412: really. A 1TB drive is cheap. |
| 12:48.55 | jelly | Joe412: yes, really. It's your own fault you have that much crap, so just bring up a large enough disk to make a backup |
| 12:48.58 | ManoftheSea | also, you could just keep using said extra drive, and get a performance boost |
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| 12:49.28 | Joe412 | hmmmm |
| 12:49.32 | Nirgal | BCMM: Did you try the packages nvidia-kernel-3.2.3XXX ? |
| 12:49.35 | engla | Joe412: you need a full backup (full= everything you care about) sooner or later anyway.. |
| 12:49.35 | Joe412 | partitioning sounds like a good idea |
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| 12:50.28 | Joe412 | engla: true |
| 12:50.52 | Joe412 | but the most,MOST importaint things that i have are backed up in a diamon vault |
| 12:51.06 | Joe412 | the less importaint things are still importaint so i dont whant to lose anything |
| 12:51.13 | Nirgal | Joe412: If you can, preserve permission and modification times during the copy, that's optional but nice |
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| 12:51.41 | wonderworld | i need new hdds too. my 500GIG raid is full every day |
| 12:51.47 | wonderworld | did hdd prices drop? |
| 12:51.57 | Joe412 | i dont think so |
| 12:52.10 | Joe412 | the fukoshima incident made shit hard for the hdd market |
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| 12:52.25 | engla | not the fukushima incident |
| 12:52.30 | Joe412 | plus hdd are dying because of sdd |
| 12:52.35 | wonderworld | some flooding in bangladesh i think |
| 12:52.38 | BCMM | Nirgal: i can't seem to find that package. how should i try it? |
| 12:53.12 | ManoftheSea | $100 for a terabyte, or < $200 for 3? |
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| 12:53.20 | ManoftheSea | That's pretty darn cheap. |
| 12:53.23 | Joe412 | WAT |
| 12:53.27 | Joe412 | 100 for a terabite? |
| 12:53.35 | Joe412 | terabyte |
| 12:53.38 | engla | cheap big storage isn't much of a feature.. bandwidth is much more interesting. I want fast backups, fast restores, fast clones etc.. so big disks don't help, only promote datasets that outgrow bandwidth |
| 12:54.55 | Joe412 | good luck with having 4 sdd drives with 250 gbs and spending 2k dollars on it |
| 12:54.55 | Nirgal | BCMM: Not sure they are packported on stable, sorry... Have a look at module-assistant too ... |
| 12:55.02 | abrotman | uhm .. #debian ? |
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| 12:55.23 | Joe412 | so if i partition my hdd will i need to format? |
| 12:55.40 | wonderworld | if you have enough spare space on your hdd you don't need to |
| 12:55.47 | BCMM | Nirgal: i've just found out about DKMS oackages, trying that |
| 12:56.03 | BCMM | but you're right, no backported binary modules for nvidia |
| 12:56.30 | Nirgal | BCMM: module-assistant might help you |
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| 12:57.08 | babilen | Nirgal, BCMM: module-assistant was superseded by DKMS |
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| 12:57.22 | Nirgal | ouch. thanks :] |
| 12:57.39 | babilen | !tell BCMM -about nvidia dkms |
| 12:58.05 | babilen | BCMM: Due to the fact that you installed the backported kernel you have to make some changes and install the nvidia driver from backports as well. |
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| 12:58.21 | BCMM | babilen: thanks. am i supposed to be hearing from a bot because of that !tell |
| 12:58.32 | babilen | yes, didn't you? |
| 12:58.43 | BCMM | babilen: as far as i can see there is no nvidia-kernel in backports |
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| 12:58.58 | BCMM | babilen: oh yes i did from dpkg. sorry, on a phone. thanks |
| 12:59.01 | babilen | BCMM: Which architecture do you use? |
| 12:59.08 | BCMM | amd64 |
| 12:59.21 | babilen | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms --arch amd64 --release squeeze-backports |
| 12:59.23 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1 |
| 12:59.23 | wonderworld | Joe412: you could clean up your 478gb down to x, create /home on the free space. move data to /home. grow /home with the free space and repeat until you have everything in /home, if you don't want to buy another hdd |
| 12:59.43 | Joe412 | yea i figured that one out wonderworld |
| 12:59.45 | babilen | BCMM: First make sure that you have "contrib non-free" enabled for backports and install the headers for your kernel from backports. |
| 12:59.46 | Joe412 | thanks anyway :D |
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| 13:00.33 | BCMM | babilen: that's about where i am now, using dkms and just working out how to get kernel headers |
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| 13:01.01 | babilen | BCMM: I typically install two metapackages (linux-image-amd64 and linux-headers-amd64) from backports, which can be done with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64" |
| 13:01.46 | BCMM | babilen: ah, thanks. bit new to debians metapackage system |
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| 13:02.26 | babilen | BCMM: You would then continue by installing the NVIDIA driver with "aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r install nvidia-kernel-dkms" -- The only thing left to do now is to create a configuration file that tells Xorg to use that driver, update the initramfs and reboot the system. That is explained in the <nvidia dkms> factoid. |
| 13:03.00 | BCMM | babilen: so if i install those metapackages and the nvidia dkms package it should automatically rebuild the nvidia module for the nex backport kernel update? |
| 13:03.01 | babilen | BCMM: Those two metapackages depend on the newest kernel/header combo that is available from the respective repository. (e.g. in backports) |
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| 13:03.26 | babilen | BCMM: Exactly -- DKMS takes care of the recompilation whenever you install a new kernel image. |
| 13:03.47 | BCMM | babilen: i had it working fine with nvidia on the old kernel - do i need to change xorg settings? |
| 13:04.40 | babilen | BCMM: I would strongly recommend to use *no* /etc/X11/xorg.conf at all (See "/msg dpkg empty xorg.conf" and "/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d") with a nvidia specific file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ that tells Xorg to use the nvidia driver. |
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| 13:05.06 | BCMM | babilen: thanks. |
| 13:05.26 | babilen | BCMM: That can be created by running "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" -- You then only need to run "update-initramfs -u" and reboot. Did you configure anything else in your xorg.conf? |
| 13:05.40 | \n | ohai |
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| 13:07.10 | Joe412 | wat |
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| 13:07.26 | Joe412 | why doesnt debian 6.0.4 have gnome 3 vanila? |
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| 13:07.52 | pozic | Joe412: because Gnome3 is not ready for end-users, of course. |
| 13:07.58 | BCMM | babilen: i don't recall - i think it all just worked. anyway, i have had a problem with dkms but most go to lunch now. thanks for the pointers. |
| 13:08.21 | Joe412 | so i need to do it manually? |
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| 13:08.26 | ManoftheSea | 6.0.4 is gnome stable. Gnome3 isn't "stable", and wasn't part of Squeeze |
| 13:08.27 | Joe412 | i know i had problems when i did it |
| 13:08.34 | ManoftheSea | you might check backports. |
| 13:08.39 | Joe412 | mainly because i dont have expirience with installing GUIs manualy |
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| 13:09.37 | pozic | Joe412: it perhaps doesn't even run. |
| 13:09.43 | zykotick9 | Joe412: trying to get gnome3 on squeeze - might end in tears... wheezy uses gnome3 (if you want the unstable route) |
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| 13:09.50 | pozic | Joe412: because it might depend on newer libraries, etc. |
| 13:10.08 | Joe412 | and how are performances going on the 3.5 compared to 2.6? |
| 13:10.09 | pozic | Joe412: by the time you are done, you have likely build 50 libraries or so from source. |
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| 13:10.53 | babilen | BCMM: Well, paste whatever error you get to http://paste.debian.net along with the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms" and your sources.list |
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| 13:11.52 | Joe412 | how are performances going on the 3.5 compared to 2.6? |
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| 13:12.17 | reavengrey | s/are performances/is performance/ |
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| 13:12.50 | Joe412 | anyway |
| 13:12.55 | ManoftheSea | performance? of the GUI? |
| 13:12.58 | Joe412 | is the newer kernel better than the other one? |
| 13:13.02 | ManoftheSea | I'm at 5% proc use. |
| 13:13.07 | ManoftheSea | oh, the kernel. |
| 13:13.16 | ManoftheSea | Gnome uses a similar numbering scheme |
| 13:13.26 | Joe412 | im not taling about gnome |
| 13:13.28 | engla | Joe412: "2.6" is not a kernel version, mention something specific "2.6.xx" |
| 13:13.30 | Joe412 | im talking about the linux kernel |
| 13:13.31 | ManoftheSea | I got that now. |
| 13:13.46 | Joe412 | engla: i was refering to the 2.6 family |
| 13:13.48 | ManoftheSea | from 2.6.32 to 3.2.x? |
| 13:14.01 | ManoftheSea | Joe412: there's no difference from 2.6 family to 3 family |
| 13:14.04 | ManoftheSea | It's the same family. |
| 13:14.09 | jhutchins_wk | If you can tell the difference in performance between a 2.6 and a 3.x kernel I will come to your town and buy you ice cream. |
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| 13:14.19 | Joe412 | hahahahha |
| 13:14.20 | reavengrey | Linus just got a vaps |
| 13:14.24 | reavengrey | And decided to go to 3.0 |
| 13:14.40 | reavengrey | He caught the spirit... |
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| 13:15.48 | Joe412 | anyway somehow phoronix is saying that the linux kernel is failing the competition on the windows vs linux battle |
| 13:16.09 | ManoftheSea | it gets clicks. |
| 13:16.14 | ManoftheSea | It doesn't have to be true. |
| 13:16.15 | wonderworld | i have been working on a project for the last 2 months. now it's nearly finished and i seem to be unable to continue. looking all the time for other things to do. hate that. my brain plays tricks on me. |
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| 13:16.46 | Joe412 | wonderworld: audatory/visual halucinations while hard coding can ocure if you dont rest properly |
| 13:16.57 | reavengrey | Anyway, wonderworld what project are you talking about?? |
| 13:17.18 | wonderworld | a web based voice service |
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| 13:17.31 | reavengrey | Joe412: *auditory, hallucination, *occur |
| 13:17.34 | reavengrey | *don't |
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| 13:18.13 | Joe412 | reavengrey i see you have gramar OCD |
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| 13:18.25 | reavengrey | nods |
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| 13:18.31 | reavengrey | *grammar |
| 13:18.46 | Joe412 | some people just don't realise that OTHER people from the internet arent from the US/GB/or AU |
| 13:18.55 | Joe412 | or any engrish speaking cuntry |
| 13:19.06 | reavengrey | W/e, I speak Spanish quite well |
| 13:19.16 | Joe412 | w/e |
| 13:19.18 | Joe412 | i agree |
| 13:19.22 | Joe412 | on the w/e |
| 13:19.22 | wonderworld | Mein Deutsch ist auch ganz gut. |
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| 13:19.29 | reavengrey | I don't act like I should go full retard on their language because it isn't my native tongue |
| 13:19.38 | babilen | And this is the point where discussions in #debian return to being on-topic ... |
| 13:19.38 | reavengrey | I learn the people's words and grammar properly |
| 13:19.53 | babilen | (aka: Take it do #debian-offtopic) |
| 13:20.16 | Joe412 | hmmmm |
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| 13:20.30 | Joe412 | good thing that there isnt an authoratarian admin that bans people that go off topic |
| 13:20.46 | reavengrey | *authoritarian... |
| 13:20.53 | Joe412 | you again |
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| 13:20.57 | Joe412 | Y SO OCD? |
| 13:21.10 | wonderworld | OK, back to topic. I'd like to see a picture of this girl Deb, Ian named Debian after. |
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| 13:23.00 | ManoftheSea | 20 years ago, or now? |
| 13:23.16 | reavengrey | Most likely 20 years ago xD |
| 13:23.20 | wonderworld | hehe |
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| 13:29.58 | Twinkletoes | Can openvpn be used to make a VPN connection with a hardware endpoint? I'm asking here because I'll be running it on Squeeze |
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| 13:34.06 | ManoftheSea | Twinkletoes: what hardware makes VPN connections using openvpn? |
| 13:34.27 | ManoftheSea | I go from debian to an openwrt router with openvpn. |
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| 13:35.18 | Twinkletoes | ManoftheSea: I doin't understand your question, but your other sentence leads me to believe it's possible. Is that correct? |
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| 13:35.40 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: what is the endpoint ? |
| 13:35.42 | Twinkletoes | ManoftheSea: I need to make a conncetion to a client, but don't want to rely on a very flakey bit of juniper hardware at my end |
| 13:35.48 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: that, I don't know |
| 13:36.27 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 13:36.45 | ChrisH | Twinkletoes: Are you looking for a HW Firewall capable of terminating OpenVPN connections? |
| 13:36.48 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: there are a few mechiasms for doing a VPN type connection, but you have to know what the endpoint is before we can answer that question |
| 13:36.56 | abrotman | not all endpoints are equal |
| 13:37.08 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: Ok, I didn't even knwo that so I'm getting somehwere. thanks - I'll go find out |
| 13:37.32 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: does it already exist, or you're looking to buy? |
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| 13:37.48 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: It already exists |
| 13:37.48 | jhutchins_wk | Twinkletoes: The answer to your original question is "yes". |
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| 13:38.04 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 13:38.09 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: I'd rather use openvpn than use *our* hardware device, an ancient Juniper SSG-5 to do the connection |
| 13:38.13 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: ITYM "depends" |
| 13:38.21 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: I don't like relying on hardware, especially when it's unsupported |
| 13:38.25 | BCMM_ | babilen: it fails and leaves in the log "Only 2.6.x and later kernels are supported (3.2.20)" - i guess a broken version check |
| 13:38.55 | jhutchins_wk | Twinkletoes: VPN standards are open enough that unless it's some weird proprietary setup like checkpoint you can connect. |
| 13:39.11 | BCMM_ | it's trying to build 195.36.31 which is like two years old - any way to make it install one that knowns about 3.x.x? |
| 13:39.24 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: wrong |
| 13:39.28 | Twinkletoes | jhutchins_wk: abrotman It looks like it's a Cisco ASA5510 |
| 13:40.14 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: website says it does ssl and ipsec |
| 13:40.51 | babilen | BCMM_: In that case you did something wrong. Please make sure that you have contrib and non-free enabled for backports as well. Could you paste your sources.list as well as the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-dkms" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 13:41.04 | ChrisH | From my understanding SSG5 is not capable of OpenVPN. |
| 13:41.17 | babilen | BCMM_: I gave you all the commands, but I guess that your backports setup is broken. |
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| 13:41.21 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: that may be something that the admin has to enable, but linux can do ipsec |
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| 13:41.37 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 13:41.38 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 302.17-3; wheezy/non-free: 302.17-3; experimental/non-free: 304.32-1 |
| 13:41.41 | BCMM_ | babilen: sure. |
| 13:41.45 | Twinkletoes | ChrisH: The SSG-5 is my end - I hate it. I don't want to use it |
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| 13:41.55 | jelly | BCMM_: get the one from squeeze-backports? |
| 13:41.57 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: Thank you |
| 13:42.07 | babilen | jelly: Sure -- Check backlog for exact commands. |
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| 13:42.27 | jelly | sooo slow |
| 13:42.27 | BCMM_ | babilen: i first install nvidia-kernel-dkms before installing the kernel headers, so it gave an error that it was skipping build. had to --reinstall to get this error |
| 13:43.04 | BCMM_ | babilen: is there a package that will automatically use that pastebin? i have no X atm on that box |
| 13:43.06 | ChrisH | Twinkletoes: send it to me... I will take it... What is on the other side? Most probably you can do Ipsec but that would need the passwords/certificates from the SSG5 |
| 13:43.13 | BCMM_ | i mean, like pastebinit or something |
| 13:43.23 | babilen | !tell BCMM_ -about nopaste |
| 13:44.06 | BCMM_ | babilen: thanks. |
| 13:45.21 | babilen | BCMM_: But in a nutshell: Make sure you enable "contrib non-free" for backports and run "apt-get update", continue with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64". You can then install/compile the drivers with "aptitude -t squeeze-backports -r nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
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| 13:46.23 | BCMM_ | babilen: ah, my apologies. i read my sources.list too fast. i have contrib and non-free for squeeze but not for backports |
| 13:47.16 | babilen | BCMM_: I suspected as much :) |
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| 13:48.03 | BCMM_ | babilen: i somehow managed to think "backports, check. contrib, check. non-free, check". i ran the aptitude command (putting in an "install") and it's installing some new packages this time around |
| 13:48.04 | BCMM_ | thanks |
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| 13:48.56 | BCMM_ | it's building now |
| 13:49.30 | Twinkletoes | ChrisH: I'm really out of my depth here... the other side are giving me IKE and IPSEC settings, I assume they're exclusive to one another? The IPSEC information they've given me is, "Encryption: 3DES-MD5, Authentication: IKE-3DES-MD5" (and of course, their IP address). Is this enough? |
| 13:49.54 | JoeHazzers | yo dawg i herd u liek des so we des'd your des'd des |
| 13:49.57 | JoeHazzers | sits on his hands |
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| 13:50.32 | babilen | BCMM_: Great :-D |
| 13:50.37 | ChrisH | Twinkletoes: I am not deep enough into IPSEC. But that sounds resonable. I never used IPSEC but inside my SSG5 (below my desk at home) sorry |
| 13:50.47 | BCMM_ | babilen: build just finished; going to reboot and try it out. thanks a lot! |
| 13:50.59 | babilen | BCMM_: Don't forget the configuration fine and rebuilding the initramfs! |
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| 13:51.12 | babilen | *file |
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| 13:53.49 | ManoftheSea | Twinkletoes: IKE is how it agrees on keys for IPSEC |
| 13:54.31 | ManoftheSea | Linux can do IPSec with Freeswan, strongswan, or racoon |
| 13:54.49 | Twinkletoes | ManoftheSea: Ah, so it needs both - thank you - I'm getting there :) |
| 13:55.11 | ManoftheSea | Twinkletoes: http://www.ipsec-howto.org/t1.html |
| 13:55.14 | ManoftheSea | might be helpful |
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| 13:56.17 | Twinkletoes | ManoftheSea: Thank you :) |
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| 14:00.33 | woshty | what kind version number is 3.2.0-3-amd64? why does linux source have 3.2.21-3? |
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| 14:01.04 | dvs | woshty: the version number is closer to the actual kernel version |
| 14:01.07 | engla | woshty: debian package version |
| 14:01.54 | woshty | but why not name it .21? |
| 14:01.56 | BCMM_ | babilen: uh, i kind of forgot those and stuff is working fine. what should i do? |
| 14:02.25 | dvs | woshty: the version number of the kernel is in the version number of the package of 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
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| 14:03.13 | woshty | ah, k, i see .. but why the .0 then? |
| 14:03.21 | dvs | dunno |
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| 14:03.53 | woshty | dvs: thx .. maybe historic reasons ;) |
| 14:04.04 | dvs | or the build scripts |
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| 14:06.40 | babilen | BCMM_: Did you create the configuration file as discussed earlier? Do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf right now? |
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| 14:07.06 | BCMM_ | babilen: ah, looks like i already had a minimal xorg.conf with just driver and glx. i'll turn it into a .d directory |
| 14:07.15 | woshty | dvs: i ran into trouble when i tried to install glrx-modules-dkms in wheezy .. which complains about not being able to find the kernel source of the currently running kernel .. |
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| 14:07.47 | ztat | Wheezy was changed to use XFCE instead of GNOME by default ? ... Are you SERIOUS !? http://is.gd/sawepe |
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| 14:07.56 | tharkun | gnarface: Thanks it is quite an interesting reading. Very well written for the non initiated. |
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| 14:09.18 | Losowski | ztat: Would have been nice to have Lxde as their default. What made them choose Xfce? |
| 14:09.33 | babilen | BCMM_: yeah, the glx entry is most likely not necessary. Great that it is working and I hope you enjoy it. Just to make sure it worked out could you install mesa-utils (if not installed already) and run "glxinfo|grep -iE "render(ing|er)" and show me the result on http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 14:10.55 | babilen | ztat: You are referring to http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commit;h=2a962cc65cdba010177f27e8824ba10d9a799a08 and the tasksel version has not yet been uploaded and therefore is not in wheezy yet. It looks as if Wheezy will install XFCE by default if a user installs the "Desktop" task during the installation though. |
| 14:11.19 | ztat | Losowski: undue bias by Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net> ... i think: debian is one of the oldest surviving linux distributions, and has close ties to GNU ... GNOME is an official GNU project ... XFCE is *not* |
| 14:11.38 | engla | bias? or pragmaticism |
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| 14:11.57 | ztat | i disagree it's pragmatic |
| 14:12.14 | ztat | "So, I've decided to be bold, and continue the tradition of making an arbitrary desktop selection for Debian in tasksel." |
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| 14:12.20 | ztat | THAT'S pragmatic ... ? |
| 14:12.21 | ztat | @.@ |
| 14:12.53 | Losowski | It's not pragmatic, it's random |
| 14:12.53 | engla | hello straw man |
| 14:12.58 | johndo | when i switch back from X server to a vc i only get a black screen |
| 14:13.00 | ztat | babilen: of course i mean if "Desktop" is selected. gnome/xfce are desktop environments after all. and that makes your statement contradictory ... |
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| 14:13.22 | johndo | is there any console package i can try which resetys console after switching vcs? |
| 14:13.28 | ztat | Losowski: yes it's random, like i said, based on bias from Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net> |
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| 14:13.56 | peterS | your bias is showing, ztat |
| 14:13.57 | jelly | ztat: most random things can be rationalized afterwards |
| 14:14.12 | jelly | humans are exceptionally good at that |
| 14:14.25 | Losowski | I mean, if Debian wanted to go 'light' Xfce wasn't the only reliable choice |
| 14:15.24 | Losowski | ...besides, we still get to install the GUI we wish by choosing, so it doesn't matter what the 'default' is |
| 14:15.26 | ztat | peterS: at least i can provide rationality for it. joey simply, and explicitly, states that it is just 'arbitrary' |
| 14:15.26 | johndo | CD1 shouldn't have a desktop at all ^^ |
| 14:15.31 | ceil | Losowski: t's a lot prettier than lxde tho :p |
| 14:15.32 | peterS | ztat, Losowski: where were you guys 3 months ago when the big discussion was happening about how Gnome no longer fits on CD #1? |
| 14:15.43 | johndo | it should bring up a basic system with full network access and a running sshd ;) |
| 14:15.46 | ceil | personally, i wouldn't mind debian just hookin' it up with e16 and calling it a day ;) |
| 14:15.49 | babilen | ztat: You have your answer now and the change will be made as soon as tasksel 3.13 arrives in wheezy. (Unless the change is reverted) -- Note that we also strongly consider to drop the CD sized install images (650MB), but all that hasn't been decided yet. |
| 14:16.02 | ceil | or blackbox for those that need extreme lightness w/ panels and such :p |
| 14:16.17 | Losowski | peterS: I don't like Gnome, so the move is still a good one regardless |
| 14:16.40 | dvs | seconds dropping the CD images |
| 14:16.44 | ceil | does anyone? |
| 14:16.50 | babilen | I don't think that "discussing" XFCE vs KDE vs GNOME vs LXDE vs ... vs awesomewm vs xmonad vs ... vs e17 will get us far. We might just as well say: "Meh, I can still use whatever I want. *shrug*" |
| 14:17.11 | peterS | my own vote would be to drop the 650 MB CD image in favor of a 700 MB CD image. seriously, do 650 MB CD-R media still even exist? |
| 14:17.18 | ceil | babilen: eSIXteen! |
| 14:17.20 | ceil | :) |
| 14:17.25 | ztat | babilen: yes but 'defaults' still have strong influence. especially in relation to new users |
| 14:17.35 | peterS | now, a 700 MB CD still may or may not be large enough for gnome |
| 14:17.42 | babilen | ztat: Sure, and now they'll get XFCE |
| 14:17.46 | ztat | also, i forgot about the CD size garbage, so i suppose that adds a sense of pragmatic rationality to XFCE >_> |
| 14:17.47 | ceil | ztat: t's what got Windows on 90% of the world's desktops... |
| 14:17.54 | dvs | peterS: The CD discs are now more expensive than the DVD discs |
| 14:18.05 | ceil | dvs: orly? why? |
| 14:18.08 | peterS | dvs: eh, not here |
| 14:18.11 | babilen | peterS: I rather see 1GB / 2GB images (that is already enabled in the image generation software, but has not gone live yet IIRC) |
| 14:18.23 | dvs | ceil, peterS: Over here they are. |
| 14:18.31 | ceil | oh, you mean retail? |
| 14:18.33 | rozie | ztat: c'mon, new users use Ubuntu |
| 14:18.36 | dvs | ceil: yes |
| 14:18.37 | ceil | thought you meant production costs |
| 14:18.51 | ztat | rozie: ;) |
| 14:18.54 | ceil | weird that cd's retail higher than dvds where you are :O |
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| 14:19.01 | wonderworld | i burned the full DVD set. i wouldn't have done that with the CD-set |
| 14:19.08 | rozie | I suppose if anybody chooses Debian, he is aware that changing WM is easy |
| 14:19.12 | wonderworld | but there are countries in the world where CDs make perfect sense |
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| 14:19.15 | ceil | wonderworld: i burned netinst :) |
| 14:19.22 | Skeeter- | resize2fs, been 16 hours, and its @ 15%.... |
| 14:19.23 | dvs | ceil: Not really. Lack of demand. |
| 14:19.40 | johndo | wonderworld: you sure? 76 CDs or so iirc :) |
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| 14:20.08 | johndo | and 11 dvds or so? |
| 14:20.09 | wonderworld | i guess half of africa is happy to have a cd-rom available |
| 14:20.22 | ztat | omg xfce wins over gnome in popcon by > 2x >_> |
| 14:20.34 | wonderworld | 10 DVD for debian 6 32bit |
| 14:20.38 | ceil | xfce is my favourite of gnome/kde/xfce/lxde |
| 14:20.43 | peterS | ztat: criticising a decision to switch the desktop task to a different set of software without acknowledging the problem of how to fit it onto CD#1 is, frankly, entirely missing the point. That was the only reason he did it, after all. |
| 14:20.47 | ceil | so i'm glad it's up there in that regard :p |
| 14:21.05 | peterS | ztat: and when you take the 650 MB restriction into account, there's a lot fewer options than otherwise |
| 14:21.20 | ceil | peterS: bet ratpoison fits! |
| 14:21.21 | ceil | :p |
| 14:21.21 | Skeeter- | is there a channel for e2fsprogs? |
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| 14:23.06 | johndo | is there any way to set a package on hold with apt? |
| 14:23.13 | johndo | or still only the old dpkg hack? |
| 14:23.23 | jelly | Skeeter-: there's the ext3-users mailing list |
| 14:23.46 | Skeeter- | jelly: ext3-uers is NOT for ext4 |
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| 14:23.54 | jelly | Skeeter-: yes it is. |
| 14:24.16 | Skeeter- | jelly: i can forward you the email when they tell me to fuck off, that it IS NOT ext4 |
| 14:24.21 | ztat | peterS: maybe reconfigure which 'dependencies' gnome actually has on debian... ie, it fit in squeeze, so i doubt it would be that hard to 'trim' it down in wheezy... and could, for example, likely be done by untriggering the higher-level packages which have no counter-equivalent in xfce ^_^ |
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| 14:24.57 | rozie | IMO there's no point in publishing all packages on CD/DVD. if anybody really needs to have this offline, there should be polished tool to make offline repository (never used apt-mirror nor apt-offline) |
| 14:25.03 | jelly | Skeeter-: can I get just the message-id? |
| 14:25.09 | ztat | then you'll have a 'restricted' version of gnome ... but still at equal-to-higher level functionality than xfce? >_> |
| 14:25.11 | johndo | ztat: 'reconfigure' dependencies in debian would be a great idea in general ;) |
| 14:25.28 | ztat | sudo aptitude install deborphan # :) |
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| 14:25.39 | ztat | deborphan --guess-all |
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| 14:25.46 | ztat | sudo aptitude purge field-day |
| 14:26.18 | johndo | ztat: best way to get rid of e development system ;) |
| 14:26.28 | ztat | wat ? |
| 14:26.36 | ztat | 'e dev sys' ? |
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| 14:26.42 | johndo | it purges all your -dev packages :) |
| 14:26.43 | Skeeter- | jelly: https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mailinglists thats the info |
| 14:26.49 | Skeeter- | how do i see the msg ID? |
| 14:27.05 | jhutchins_wk | I think part of it is that sophisticated user/developers are sick of Gnome's directionless development. Constantly more code that does less and less. |
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| 14:27.09 | johndo | s/ e / a / |
| 14:27.09 | ztat | johndo: heh, yeah ... obviously you keep the -dev you know you build with :) |
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| 14:27.44 | Twinkletoes | ManoftheSea: Do you mind if I go back half-an-hour, you said IKE is how it agrees keys for IPSEC. Is that the equivalent to Phase 1 proposal and Phase 2 proposal? |
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| 14:33.59 | ztat | so according to popcon.... there are 56989 systems with desktop-base.. which depends on either gnome, kde-standard, xfce4, or wmaker... but the total for THOSE is only 35393 ... so what happened to those twenty one thousand five hundred ninety six counts ? >_> |
| 14:35.14 | engla | desktop-base also provides a grub2 splash etc |
| 14:35.19 | johndo | ztat: weird installations or fvwm :P |
| 14:35.27 | ztat | engla: what does that matter? |
| 14:35.37 | engla | it's useful without a desktop |
| 14:35.44 | ztat | johndo: but like i said, desktop-base REQUIRES one of those four ! |
| 14:35.49 | Trewas | ztat: it only suggests gnome/kde/whatever packages |
| 14:35.54 | ztat | no? |
| 14:36.00 | ztat | OH |
| 14:36.04 | ztat | i misread MY BAD DERP |
| 14:36.09 | ztat | Trewas++ |
| 14:36.26 | johndo | ztat: oh, right, desktop-base is not installed on my desktops |
| 14:37.09 | ztat | do you have a GUI DE though ? |
| 14:37.22 | johndo | ztat: sure |
| 14:37.30 | ztat | which ? :) |
| 14:37.35 | johndo | fvwm :) |
| 14:37.48 | ztat | ah |
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| 14:38.42 | ztat | "F Virtual Window Manager (The F currently has no official meaning " - wikipedia |
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| 14:39.14 | johndo | guess the F... has been lost in translation ^W history |
| 14:39.20 | ztat | HAHA, i can only GUESS what the 'F' stood for at an earlier stage of development as a codename which ended up sticking |
| 14:39.27 | johndo | :) |
| 14:39.30 | reavengrey | Real terror |
| 14:39.43 | ztat | Wa t |
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| 14:40.23 | ztat | Oh, Feeble. :( |
| 14:40.24 | ztat | Haha. |
| 14:40.53 | ztat | two hits on google for the other word :) |
| 14:41.28 | johndo | it still (nearly) does all what i want |
| 14:41.43 | johndo | and i haven't found one which does all what i want |
| 14:42.06 | ztat | yes but does it play duke nukem 3d @.@ |
| 14:42.15 | ztat | haha |
| 14:42.21 | ztat | why, what do you want ? :P |
| 14:42.21 | johndo | ztat: who needs a window manager for that? |
| 14:42.40 | ManoftheSea | Twinkletoes: yes. |
| 14:42.56 | ManoftheSea | IKE is the phase 1, where the endpoints agree on the key for phase 2 |
| 14:43.09 | johndo | ztat: that wish list length is beyond paste limit here ;) |
| 14:43.20 | ztat | name the primary :) |
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| 14:44.19 | johndo | lightweight, focus follow mouse (strict!), virtual desktops switchable independently on multiple screens |
| 14:45.17 | johndo | and some window controls (maximize horizontly, maximize vertically, ..) |
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| 14:45.19 | ChrisH | shortkey for all major actions like starting stuff; switching desktops |
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| 14:46.48 | ChrisH | RA3OR: 73 |
| 14:46.55 | Twinkletoes | ManoftheSea: Thank you. It's amazing hwo a little information can make one understand a lot |
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| 14:49.29 | RA3OR | ? |
| 14:49.35 | RA3OR | ChrisH ? |
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| 14:50.20 | amcsi_work | hello |
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| 14:50.24 | dvs | RA3OR: He's answering your next question. :-P |
| 14:50.37 | amcsi_work | how do I make sure xterm-256color becomes a valid, working termcap? |
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| 14:50.46 | ManoftheSea | Twinkletoes: I really recommend using certificates for the agreement. |
| 14:50.53 | frostschutz | amcsi_work: isn't it? |
| 14:50.56 | ManoftheSea | There are flaws with aggressive mode and shared keys |
| 14:51.01 | ChrisH | RA3OR: I assumed you are http://www.hamsphere.com/5_621926_profile.html |
| 14:51.11 | amcsi_work | I installed the ncurses thing, and it seems putty-256color is available, but xterm-256color isn't. Also, there's no /etc/termcap file |
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| 14:51.41 | amcsi_work | no, because with putty, the END key doesn't work in the case of xterm-256color, but it works with putty-256colo |
| 14:51.42 | amcsi_work | r |
| 14:51.50 | frostschutz | amcsi_work: usually if you install it, it also installs the termcap file along. problems start when you ssh to other hosts which don't know this termianl |
| 14:52.18 | frostschutz | amcsi_work: in which case you copy the termcap file over, there's a command for that, but I forgot it :) |
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| 14:53.01 | amcsi_work | over form where? |
| 14:53.42 | frostschutz | from the client machine which is running the xterm-256color in question |
| 14:54.10 | amcsi_work | I'm using putty |
| 14:55.10 | ChrisH | amcsi_work: why not using vt100/vt220 or simple xterm ? |
| 14:55.35 | amcsi_work | xterm-256color helps me with some preconfigured applications |
| 14:55.48 | amcsi_work | I don't know what vt100/vt220 are though |
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| 14:58.17 | frostschutz | amcsi_work: infocmp rxvt-unicode | ssh user@host tic rxvt-unicode |
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| 14:58.26 | jhutchins_wk | markitoxs: RAM? |
| 14:58.31 | frostschutz | amcsi_work: can't help with putty, sorry. putty claiming to be xterm sounds wrong to me though |
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| 14:59.27 | ChrisH | amcsi_work: simply test: export TERM=vt220 and rerun your application. With TERM=xterm* I had trouble in the past. |
| 15:00.07 | amcsi_work | http://pastebin.com/GDNbCtRJ does this say anything? |
| 15:00.07 | markitoxs | jhutchins, what you mean? |
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| 15:00.28 | RA3OR | ChrisH: thats not me, stop highlightine me pls |
| 15:00.36 | markitoxs | jhutchins, im not sure if it is possible to have like, 2 ttys active at the same time, on 2 different framebuffers |
| 15:00.37 | ztat | Does anyone know why totem spits out "jack server is not running or cannot be started" ... (Yes, I obviously purged jack... but totem neither requires nor suggests it) sooo... what's up jack? |
| 15:00.50 | amcsi_work | okay, I guess I could just go with the flow and let myself be putty-256color. It should be ok. |
| 15:01.07 | frostschutz | you'd have trouble if you weren't actually using xterm but something else. term should be set to whatever it is you're actually using |
| 15:01.09 | jhutchins_wk | markitoxs: Is swap causing the delay? |
| 15:01.31 | markitoxs | jhutchins_wk, theres not delay, it just, stops... |
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| 15:01.53 | markitoxs | it will like hold whatever it had, when i switch tty's |
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| 15:02.07 | markitoxs | im not sure if that's the expected behaviour |
| 15:02.18 | amcsi_work | okay, it's just that in some server configurations, putty-256color doesn't always work with everything... but everything seems to work fine with it on this server so I guess it's okay |
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| 15:02.58 | jhutchins_wk | markitoxs: Given that most of us didn't even know you could do that... |
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| 15:03.17 | markitoxs | jhutchins_wk, lol |
| 15:03.23 | amcsi_work | how can I upgrade to vim 7.3 from 7.2 on debian? |
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| 15:03.39 | markitoxs | jhutchins_wk, just been playing with a usb displaylink |
| 15:03.51 | markitoxs | jhutchins_wk, so it would be nice to have two different tty's active |
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| 15:06.49 | ChrisH | amcsi_work: 1. what debian version are you on? 2. Why do you want to upgrade the version? |
| 15:07.05 | amcsi_work | sec |
| 15:07.47 | amcsi_work | 1) how do I find out the debian version? 2) Because I'm a big user and I think I'll need what 7.3 offers |
| 15:09.43 | ChrisH | amcsi_work: 1. cat /etc/debian_version 2. What is in version 7.1 missing ? 3. try apt-cache policy vim |
| 15:09.57 | ChrisH | amcsi_work: pastbin the putput from 1 and 3 |
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| 15:10.29 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions vim |
| 15:10.30 | amcsi_work | 6.0.5 |
| 15:10.30 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.547-4; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-4 |
| 15:10.57 | amcsi_work | Installed: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1 |
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| 15:11.43 | ChrisH | amcsi_work: so you are on 7.2 an squeeze (stable) |
| 15:12.01 | amcsi_work | no, 6.0.5 |
| 15:12.31 | amcsi_work | what you answered was the apt-cache policy vim |
| 15:12.32 | abrotman | !tell amcsi_work about uupdate |
| 15:12.33 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 15:13.21 | abrotman | amcsi_work: alternately, /msg dpkg ssb .. that may also work |
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| 15:13.54 | amcsi_work | cd foo-1.2 from where? |
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| 15:14.59 | kephra | i wonder about http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dnsmasq/dnsmasq_2.62.orig.tar.gz ... this file claims to be the original, but it !NOT! identical to the real original from thekelleys.org |
| 15:15.02 | ChrisH | amcsi_work: so you are using vim 7.2 an squeeze (stable) ... again, what feature only in 7.3 is missing? |
| 15:15.14 | kephra | this might be a REAL BAD security problem |
| 15:15.34 | kephra | ... someone replace the dnsmasq in debian perhaps |
| 15:15.49 | amcsi_work | this: - Blowfish encryption, encryption of the swap file |
| 15:16.04 | amcsi_work | ah g2g, thx for the help, bye |
| 15:16.10 | babilen | amcsi_work: Looks as if you merely have to adapt the vim package to use gcc-4.4 in order to backport vim -- You might, however, also consider to track the upcoming release wheezy. (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) This is, however, not absolutely recommended as wheezy is still buggy and not ready for general use (yet). |
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| 15:22.05 | reavengrey | Are there any tools other than gparted for editing partitions? |
| 15:22.54 | thewanderer1 | reavengrey: fdisk, gdisk, cfdisk, or you could write the MBR/GPT yourself (the format is probably documented on Wikipedia) |
| 15:23.18 | reavengrey | I'm having some problems with gparted you see... |
| 15:23.31 | reavengrey | I just bought this laptop and it came with win7 |
| 15:23.38 | reavengrey | And the partitions looked like this: |
| 15:23.55 | reavengrey | http://ompldr.org/upload |
| 15:24.23 | reavengrey | http://ompldr.org/vZjI0OQ |
| 15:24.25 | reavengrey | my bad |
| 15:24.33 | reavengrey | I shrunk the C: drive so I could create extra partitions in preparation for installing debian |
| 15:25.03 | reavengrey | Then I booted an ubuntu live CD to do some more work, and gparted in ubuntu shows me this: http://ompldr.org/vZjI0YQ |
| 15:25.04 | kephra | *ok* ignore my above point - only the size and md5 of the archive differs, not the content - i think |
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| 15:25.32 | reavengrey | It's most likely a (newly introduced) gparted bug |
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| 15:26.33 | ChrisH | reavengrey: with my HP Notebook with Win7 HP used all 4 primary partitions, so I needed to delete D and E |
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| 15:26.57 | reavengrey | I'm not anxious to remove them cos I feel like they're important |
| 15:27.03 | nsadmin | reavengrey, how large is the drive? |
| 15:27.03 | mtn | reavengrey, you haven't said what you want to do, but I would blow out windows and install debian |
| 15:27.09 | reavengrey | 640GB |
| 15:27.27 | nsadmin | ok, and msdos partition table? |
| 15:27.43 | reavengrey | Well, you can see the arrangement of the parititions in the screenshots -_- |
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| 15:27.48 | reavengrey | Oh, wait I see what you mean |
| 15:27.52 | Zal | Hi |
| 15:28.10 | reavengrey | Not sure, Idk how to check from windows, and to check on *nix means I have to reboot an ubunutu CD |
| 15:28.37 | Zal | Is there an easy way to get the id of the gpg key that was used to sign a particular .deb, from the .deb file itself? |
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| 15:29.39 | Zal | I'd settle for a difficult way :-) |
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| 15:30.05 | reavengrey | Ah, it's MBR |
| 15:30.08 | nsadmin | are .debs signed? |
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| 15:30.13 | reavengrey | MSDOS parition table, not GPT |
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| 15:30.18 | Zal | nsadmin, signed .debs are signed |
| 15:30.41 | nsadmin | are there signed .debs in the main debian archive? |
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| 15:30.58 | Zal | nsadmin, I don't know, the .debs I'm working with are custom built locally |
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| 15:31.18 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
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| 15:32.10 | Zal | unfortunately I've got a mess of .debs and a mess of keys, and my job is to sort out the mess |
| 15:32.34 | immotus | I'm trying to preseed all of the installation questions on Debian Squeeze. Can I put the timezone/keymap answers in the preseed file in the initrd and then specify that the rest of the preseeded answers come from a URL? |
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| 15:34.10 | nsadmin | Zal, so I see your original question was |
| 15:34.12 | nsadmin | <Zal> Is there an easy way to get the id of the gpg key that was used to sign a particular .deb, from the .deb file itself?" |
| 15:34.25 | Zal | yep |
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| 15:34.59 | Zal | which I realize may be more of a "gpg" question than "debian" question, just gotta start somewhere. |
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| 15:35.59 | sney | well, it's a debian packaging question. #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org might have your answer. or you can unpack the deb with 'ar x' and dig around |
| 15:36.21 | Zal | sney, cool, thanks for those tips |
| 15:36.22 | nsadmin | and I'm personally not aware of how .debs are signed in the main archive (in fact, last time I checked, .deba are not signed, Packages.gz files are)... so the best answer I can give you, is it depends on how the package was signed in the first place |
| 15:36.27 | ansgar | Looking at existing packages is not a packaging question ;) |
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| 15:37.00 | nsadmin | .debs, not .deba |
| 15:37.17 | Zal | nsadmin, yes, our repo does both, as far as I can tell so far. Better introspection (happy ansgar? :-) )is what I need right now |
| 15:37.23 | ansgar | But as nsadmin said it depends on how you signed the packages. Usually binary packages themselves aren't signed. |
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| 15:37.52 | nsadmin | (not by the autobuilders anyway) |
| 15:38.04 | ksk | hey guys |
| 15:38.08 | hajosattila | hi |
| 15:38.10 | ansgar | nsadmin: Not by others either. |
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| 15:38.38 | ksk | if building a kernel package using make-kpkg how do i increase kernel version? changes to debian/changelog seem not to work |
| 15:38.42 | nsadmin | other than the archive that Zal is referring to |
| 15:38.48 | Zal | interesting, I just read a blog post that said autobuilder will automatically sign a deb if (1) a gpg key exists and (2) some name/address pair match in the "changelog" (which we don't use, so I'm not sure what needs to match or not) |
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| 15:39.57 | ansgar | Zal: "autobuilder" being? Debian's build servers certainly don't sign binaries (though they sign a .changes file). |
| 15:40.42 | nsadmin | you might want to check the options available for the command dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:40.57 | nsadmin | as specified by its man page |
| 15:40.57 | Zal | ansgar, I think the post refers to dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:41.22 | ansgar | Zal: That just does whatever d/rules wants it to do. |
| 15:41.24 | babilen | Zal: I would also strongly recommend to discuss this on #debian-mentors (the big picture) -- You might want to take a look at dpkg-sig, but I am not entirely sure if it is what you are looking for. |
| 15:41.42 | Zal | yeah, looking at all that stuff, thanks babilen |
| 15:41.51 | ansgar | Zal: Anyway, there's at least dpkg-sig and debsigs to sign binary packages. I am fairly sure they work differently. |
| 15:41.54 | Zal | ansgar, right, and my job is to figure out what that is for my case :-) |
| 15:42.01 | babilen | Ah, ansgar already mentioned the .changes file :) |
| 15:42.08 | Zal | roger that |
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| 15:44.07 | Zal | Thanks much guys, very helpful hints |
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| 15:51.23 | pukaluka | hey |
| 15:51.34 | kesroesweyth | hi esing |
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| 15:51.44 | esing | hi kesroesweyth |
| 15:52.30 | esing | when someone logs into my debian server through ssh will it always log the shellcommands? |
| 15:52.53 | esing | or would it need to start something like screen -x ? |
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| 15:54.41 | babilen | esing: Shells typically log commands and user's can influence that behaviour. |
| 15:54.43 | nsadmin | the shells have each their own history mechanisms |
| 15:54.43 | immotus | esing: unless someone clears the command history before it is written to the bash history file the commands will be somewhat recorded |
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| 15:55.13 | esing | good to know |
| 15:55.21 | immotus | esing: it doesn't record the output of the program... |
| 15:55.23 | nsadmin | what is it you want? |
| 15:55.38 | babilen | esing: These history files (e.g. ~/.bash_history) therefore don't constitute an audit trail or evidence or anything ... |
| 15:56.23 | nsadmin | there is or was a program that would record both the command and the output,,, the category for this kind of command is a snooper |
| 15:56.28 | immotus | babilen: well.. they can be used to prove that a command was run.. but it doesn't gaurantee that a command was not run |
| 15:56.43 | immotus | nsadmin: "script" |
| 15:57.04 | babilen | immotus: They can so easily be tempered with that they IMHO can't be used to prove anything. YMMV and IANAL |
| 15:57.20 | immotus | nsadmin: heh.. you could make the default user shell a wrapper that starts a bash shell within script :^) |
| 15:57.20 | babilen | *tampered *sigh* |
| 15:57.26 | nsadmin | right, so whether it's a snooper depends on whether it's done with the user's knowledge |
| 15:57.29 | jhutchins_wk | udo could probably do it. |
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| 15:57.32 | jhutchins_wk | sudo |
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| 15:58.17 | qbiq | hi |
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| 15:59.08 | immotus | anyone know where the doc for Squeeze's "partition recipes" for preseeding installations? |
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| 15:59.54 | immotus | I read that the disk partition recipes should have a doc on the installation DVD.. but I don't see it |
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| 16:00.34 | babilen | is? See, for example, http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/example-preseed.txt |
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| 16:01.58 | babilen | immotus: Also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs04.html.en and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed -- Can't give more specific help though. |
| 16:02.28 | immotus | checks the links |
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| 16:05.05 | immotus | babilen: thanks for the links! I hadn't seen the wiki article you linked to. One of the example preseed files listed at the end might have what I'm looking for. |
| 16:05.16 | immotus | I get the impression most people don't automate their debian installs :^) |
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| 16:05.41 | Diopter | I do! |
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| 16:06.30 | immotus | Diopter: do you setup the partition with LVM? Maybe you have an example of that section I can work from... |
| 16:07.04 | Diopter | immotus: Eh, did previously. Don't currently, but my use-case is odd. |
| 16:07.19 | Diopter | immotus: Just read the preseed examples and docs. They're pretty good, though dispersed around |
| 16:07.47 | immotus | Diopter: I see that I can specify a disk recipe string in the preseed file.. but the only disk recipe examples I see are for straight partition setups.. and I haven't found anything that explains the parameters of even those yet :^) |
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| 16:11.54 | crashmag | When you install debian you're asked if you want a targeted kernel or a generic one. Is there a way of going from targeted to generic post install? |
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| 16:13.55 | frostschutz | you can switch kernels any time, with or without the help of the package manager |
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| 16:15.19 | Diopter | immotus: https://blog.kumina.nl/2011/08/preseeding-a-debian-squeeze-install-putting-all-volumes-in-lvm/ |
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| 16:15.58 | Zal | OK current situation: newly booted machines grab the gpg key from my repo server, and install all packages just fine. However, I have a running machine that is unable to authenticate packages in the same repo, despite having the correct key in its apt-key list. Is there something else I need to check/clean to make, say, "apt-get install --reinstall" work again on the running machine? |
| 16:16.05 | Diopter | immotus: http://cptyesterday.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/get-expert_recipe-mdraid-lvm-gpt-and-grub2-playing-together-on-ubuntu-lucid-and-debian-squeeze/ |
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| 16:20.28 | crashmag | frostschutz: Well I was sorta hoping there was a way to dpkg-reconfigure or something the installed kernel. so that it is generic instead of targeted. |
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| 16:21.32 | immotus | crashmag: I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for.. but I came across this handy command for adjusting which kernel shows up as the default boot... dpkg-divert --divert /etc/grub.d/08_linux_xen --rename /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen |
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| 16:22.33 | immotus | crashmag: the command changes the order the "update-grub" scripts use to setup the grub menu |
| 16:22.39 | crashmag | immotus: I don't wanna boot a different kernel per say. When you install debian you will eventually get a choice that asks you whether or not you want to install a targeted kernel or a generic one. Which I assume is that you get everything that is relevant for your hardware for targeted, and jsut everything for generic. |
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| 16:22.47 | crashmag | what i wanna do is to go from targeted to generic. |
| 16:23.03 | immotus | crashmag: oh, sry, I misread |
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| 16:24.16 | Zal | In other words, I have a working repository, but one server cannot reinstall packages from it due to authentication errors. How can I clean up my apt client so it likes the repo again? |
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| 16:24.34 | immotus | crashmag: so you don't care which one actually boots by default.. but you want to have both generic and targetted kernels available? |
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| 16:25.23 | crashmag | immotus: well yes. But I know how to do the default / not default part. I don't know whether or not if its possible to reconfigure the installed kernel to be generic instead of targeted. I assume there is a way though. |
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| 16:27.27 | immotus | crashmag: I may be missing something.. isn't that simply a matter of apt-get install'ing the generic kernel after the machine comes up? |
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| 16:29.33 | crashmag | immotus: linux-image-amd64 is installed. which is what i think you mean by generic kernel. but if you remember the debian install they give you 2 choices kernel wise. 1. they ask you whether or not you want a generic or targeted kernel install. speak of the fact that targeted is for your hardware only, no extras. and they give you the option to install either the linux-image.... or linux-image-3.2... |
| 16:30.40 | CcRnP | Hi folks ! Can anyone help me on how to install/create a .deb package that can be installed on both i356 and 64-bit system ? |
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| 16:34.33 | immotus | found an extremely helpful blog post for managing disk partitions! yay :^) http://cptyesterday.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/notes-on-using-expert_recipe-in-debianubuntu-preseed-files/ |
| 16:34.52 | immotus | er.. automating disk partition setups and understanding partman-auto |
| 16:36.09 | immotus | CcRnP: usually those are seperated into seperate packages.. applications that provide both usually provide binaries for both in the same package. they may even put a wrapper script in to make sure the correct binary is executed.... |
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| 16:37.28 | CcRnP | Gotch ya ! thanks immotus |
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| 16:38.37 | jhutchins_wk | There are plenty of -noarch packages. |
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| 16:40.43 | Yorke | hi guys, i used unetbootin to create a bootable usb install for debian. I have a new laptop which uses uefi... do i have to do anything different going through the install? |
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| 16:41.36 | DammitJim | can I shrink my home partition and grow my root partition with gparted? |
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| 16:48.40 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: See? This is why we don't partition until we know for sure where our data will go. |
| 16:48.40 | immotus | DammitJim: shrinking is usually difficult, but growing isn't always :^) What type of partitions are you using (eg. LVM, disk partitions, etc) and what filesystem is on them (eg. ext3/4, reiserfs, btrfs, etc) |
| 16:49.18 | jhutchins_wk | DammitJim: Theoretically possible, probably slower than backup/repartition/restore, especially since you will MAKE A BACKUP FIRST anyway. |
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| 16:52.40 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 16:53.36 | Flashtek | o/ |
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| 17:05.45 | DammitJim | I think I'm going to do a backup and restore :D |
| 17:05.46 | DammitJim | thanks |
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| 17:07.13 | imran-uk | DammitJim, i'm a doctor not a backup storage device :) |
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| 17:09.33 | johndo | there's still no unified tagging for transitional, dummy or obsolete packages in wheezy I guess, right? |
| 17:09.39 | lordcirth | I'm trying to create a modified Crunchbang ISO (based on Debian Live), and I want to change /etc/skel. Where is this on the ISO? |
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| 17:10.24 | n3lthon | hi |
| 17:10.31 | n3lthon | its useful for security reasons to use mpm-itk for a VPS with 2 websites? im the only manager of the vps. |
| 17:10.54 | n3lthon | *apache |
| 17:12.07 | kesroesweyth | n3lthon what? |
| 17:12.45 | n3lthon | apache mpm-itk allows to run each vhost with different users |
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| 17:14.13 | docgnome | does anyone have the google+ hangouts plugin working on 64bit? |
| 17:14.55 | n3lthon | since im the administrator of all websites on the vps, if a website is hacked is good to each one being on their user or its the same if they are running on apache user? |
| 17:15.30 | n3lthon | *or the only advantage is when the websites belongs to many people? |
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| 17:26.53 | heoa | Which flash plugin would you recommend to Chromium? http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 17:28.42 | abrotman | the one that works |
| 17:28.50 | heoa | Which one is it? |
| 17:29.01 | abrotman | do you care if it's non-free or free? |
| 17:29.30 | ompaul | that depends on what you want to watch - some internet thinks that it should be the non-free compatible and some of it is not so fussy |
| 17:30.37 | heoa | is the free alternative some reverse-engineered version? |
| 17:30.43 | abrotman | yes-ish |
| 17:30.51 | abrotman | and there are more than one |
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| 17:31.17 | ompaul | and mostly ish they can't actually install flash to reverse engineer it - see the install licence for flash (how to restrict people 101) |
| 17:32.14 | ompaul | Calinou: the OSS community for a start |
| 17:32.26 | ansgar | Just because someone writes something into a software license that doesn't mean it is binding. |
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| 17:33.27 | ompaul | ansgar: you can ask them to revoke it, or they could have done it illegally, I think you will find that courts like copyright no matter who expresses it |
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| 17:34.01 | ompaul | notes that free software has been protected by courts in the past |
| 17:34.46 | n3lthon | the default modules that come with apache works with mpm-worker? |
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| 17:36.26 | ansgar | ompaul: Copyright yes, but you don't necessarily violate copyright itself by reverse engineering software. |
| 17:37.07 | ansgar | ompaul: All GPL cases I am aware of involve someone distributing GPL'ed binaries. For that you need a license. |
| 17:38.29 | ompaul | ansgar: in the case of flash software the licence strictly prohibits anyone who has agreed to install the client from reverse engineering it - so they attacked the server for binary compatibility |
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| 17:39.24 | ompaul | ansgar: I'm slightly more than familiar with the GPL v2 |
| 17:39.51 | utdemir | Hi. What is the preferred way for autostarting applications with a specific user at Debian server? |
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| 17:40.36 | ansgar | ompaul: Just because they write something in a license, that does not always mean they can sue you if you ignore that. |
| 17:41.10 | ompaul | utdemir: use paste.debian.net please |
| 17:41.39 | utdemir | ompaul: I'm not going to paste anything, just got curious about that channel and mistyped :). |
| 17:41.43 | reavengrey | If you accept the licence, and you violate the terms, you can be sued for damages, depending on what your infrignement entails |
| 17:42.29 | Zal | in the U.S., you can sue almost anyone for anything. Whether or not you succeed is another matter, but may be a non-issue if the sued party cannot afford a viable defense. |
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| 17:42.40 | rgr | lol |
| 17:43.02 | ompaul | ansgar: this is a tad offtopic for here, however my last comment, I had IBM RedHat Xorg and SGI fix some stuff based on the GPL it is amazing how everyone wants to be compliant - so there is some merit in it |
| 17:44.05 | boudiccas | whats the iptables command to flush teh rules please and reset them to the default on squeeze please? |
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| 17:45.24 | ansgar | ompaul: Sure. But as I said that's mostly when you distribute GPL software. For using or reverse engineering software you do not always have to agree to a license. And even if, parts of that might not be enforcable. |
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| 17:46.42 | cromag | boudiccas: iptables -F i believe - but man iptables and search for flush - it should be stated there. |
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| 17:47.47 | Zal | careful with iptables -F, if your default policy is not ACCEPT, you can easily lock yourself out of the server with -F |
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| 17:49.05 | jelly-home | however, if your default policy is not ACCEPT you're an idiot, for the same reason |
| 17:49.10 | Iridos | and -F can only work because the "default in squeeze" is empty |
| 17:49.54 | Iridos | hehe... jelly-home, give me $100... ACCEPT (Y/N)? |
| 17:50.41 | jelly-home | sure, what's your paypal address |
| 17:50.42 | boudiccas | cromag: thanks, thats sorted it |
| 17:51.07 | Iridos | jelly-home, you don't actually need that to give money by paypal :P |
| 17:51.15 | jelly-home | no? |
| 17:51.18 | Iridos | no |
| 17:51.31 | jelly-home | how does it know where to go then |
| 17:51.42 | jelly-home | -> -o |
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| 17:54.51 | heoa | I just extracted the *.tar.gz user-folder to /usr to install flash, is that sufficient or should I do something else? |
| 17:56.01 | multi_io | what is the correct way to add a directory to PATH for all users? export PATH="<dir>:$PATH" in /etc/profile oder /etc/profile.d/something.sh doesn't cover su, apparently. |
| 17:56.59 | multi_io | ..oh, so /etc/login.defs ENV_PATH too? |
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| 18:00.01 | johndo | multi_io: there's a difference between 'su' and 'su -', it's intentional that /etc/profile does not cover 'su' I guess |
| 18:01.30 | Norelec | hi, a faq: what is debian wheezy release date? |
| 18:01.36 | multi_io | johndo: yeah, and it seems /etc/login.defs doesn't cover 'su' either |
| 18:01.49 | ansgar | Norelec: When It's Ready. |
| 18:01.57 | ansgar | I always wanted to say that once :) |
| 18:01.59 | Norelec | ok :D |
| 18:02.00 | Norelec | thx |
| 18:02.05 | multi_io | how do I modify the PATH that the command in "su user -c command" receives? |
| 18:02.10 | Norelec | lol |
| 18:02.13 | johndo | multi_io: yes, because 'su' does not start a login shell |
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| 18:04.01 | johndo | multi_io: don't know if there's a central way for that, maybe use su - user ... instead |
| 18:04.07 | sp4rc | guys i cant get a tone out of 'NVIDIA Corporation GF119 HDMI Audio Controller (rev a1)' |
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| 18:04.33 | sp4rc | 'aplay -l' return 'aplay: device_list:235: no soundcards found...' |
| 18:04.48 | multi_io | johndo: well, there are scripts that use su user ... I'd rather not change those. |
| 18:05.05 | sp4rc | which gives me a presentiment |
| 18:05.05 | johndo | multi_io: try /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 18:05.19 | johndo | when all of your users use bash |
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| 18:09.36 | carbohydrate | hello debian |
| 18:09.56 | Hydroxide | hello from a fellow chemical |
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| 18:10.13 | carbohydrate | ;) |
| 18:10.17 | jelly-home | Hydroxide: you're just a radical |
| 18:10.24 | jelly-home | hides |
| 18:10.27 | Hydroxide | heh |
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| 18:15.05 | Yorke | i just installed debian |
| 18:15.10 | Yorke | oops |
| 18:15.16 | Iridos | multi_io, also, you could/should decide if you want to ask in ##linux or here |
| 18:15.43 | Yorke | and it wont boot, i think uefi is prevtning it, can i disable it some how? |
| 18:16.23 | sp4rc | is anyone using an nvida sound card sitting on a GPU? |
| 18:16.55 | jelly-home | sp4rc: if you mean the one used for hdmi audio output, then yes |
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| 18:17.53 | archetech | uefi is disabled in bios |
| 18:18.05 | sp4rc | jelly-home: what steps where necessary to get it running? 'aplay -l' can't find my card |
| 18:18.59 | Yorke | archetech, i cant seem to find the option to turn it off in the bios |
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| 18:19.22 | Yorke | im new to uefi, first computer upgrade since 2003 lol |
| 18:19.30 | dvs | O_O |
| 18:19.34 | jelly-home | sp4rc: it was a PITA to figure it out. A combination of options for snd-hda-intel kernel driver, guessing at alsa devices, and guessing at mplayer options |
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| 18:21.30 | jelly-home | sp4rc: start here ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/gpu-hdmi-audio-document/gpu-hdmi-audio.html and make sure you get the ELD bit working |
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| 18:26.25 | sp4rc | jelly-home: thx. why snd-hda-intel? is the audi chip coming from intel? |
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| 18:26.48 | multi_io | johndo: yeah, I can do that, but it sucks to be doing this in two places. |
| 18:27.16 | jelly-home | sp4rc: the HDA interface is intel's standard, so that is the crown driver used by all the cards using the interface |
| 18:27.26 | multi_io | bashrc isn't the place for env variable settings anyway I thought. |
| 18:27.46 | sp4rc | jelly-home: okay, so modprob'ing 'snd-hda-intel' should at least show the device on /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 18:29.02 | jelly-home | sp4rc: yes, but it won't work |
| 18:29.23 | sp4rc | jelly-home: i don't even get that far... no device after modprob'ing |
| 18:29.24 | jelly-home | sp4rc: in my case, I added /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf:options snd-hda-intel index=0,3 power_save=0 enable_msi=0 probe_mask=-1,0x2,0x2 |
| 18:29.28 | johndo | multi_io: i probably would set the path in the environment of the target user, as it seems to be needed there |
| 18:29.38 | jelly-home | sp4rc: which graphics driver are you using? |
| 18:29.51 | jelly-home | sp4rc: which kernel version and debian version? |
| 18:29.54 | johndo | but this obviously depends of the used scripts and the whole use case |
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| 18:30.20 | sp4rc | jelly-home: debian squeeze, NVIDIA 295.71, 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 18:31.20 | jelly-home | sp4rc: nvidia driver is new enough, dunno whether you'd make any difference using 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports |
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| 18:33.11 | sambagirl | afternoon...i have a question. it's not necessisarily debian related however i need some feedback. someone reset a router in another city. i had set that ip for 192.168.100.100 but it is back to 192.168.2.1. i have ssh'd as root into a server and am wondering how i can access that router? it doesnt seem i can telnet into it. any ideas? |
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| 18:34.05 | blip2 | what is th subnet mask? |
| 18:34.06 | Flashtek | sambagirl: add another ip (192.168.2.3) to the eth interface and then you should be able to connect |
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| 18:34.59 | sambagirl | 100.100 |
| 18:35.03 | sambagirl | is submask |
| 18:35.28 | Flashtek | sambagirl: 255.255.255.0 ?? |
| 18:35.30 | sambagirl | flashtek let me look into it |
| 18:35.32 | sambagirl | oh sorry :D |
| 18:35.34 | sambagirl | yes |
| 18:35.47 | Flashtek | sambagirl: 'ip address add 192.168.2.3 dev eth0 |
| 18:35.49 | Flashtek | i thin |
| 18:35.50 | Flashtek | k |
| 18:35.58 | sambagirl | oh no i forget now...shoot. no it's not 255. i think it was 248 |
| 18:36.04 | sambagirl | i have to find my notes |
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| 18:36.26 | sambagirl | bbiab have to find my notes |
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| 18:39.32 | Bartzy | Hello... I'm using iozone with a 128GB setting (it creates a 128GB file). After ~11GB it gets really slow. I use SSDs and in the first 10GB I get 800MBps, and after the first 11GB I get only 100MBps. The drop is immediate... Any idea ? |
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| 18:40.41 | jelly-home | sp4rc: http://paste.debian.net/183078/ |
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| 18:41.41 | sp4rc | jelly-home: thx a lot, this information will become handy when i've managed to list the device using aplay |
| 18:42.22 | jelly-home | skim thru the docs, read the troubleshooting part |
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| 18:46.52 | boudiccas | how can i find out what port radiotray is using please? |
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| 18:47.28 | kesroesweyth | boudiccas is it listening on a port? |
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| 18:48.00 | boudiccas | kesroesweyth: its getting radio streams from the internet so it must be using a port through the firewall |
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| 18:48.22 | sambagirl | my mistake is i didnt setup a vpn before i left there. but the lan subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 wan subnet mask is 255.255.255.252 |
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| 18:49.25 | sambagirl | i think what i will do is just call someone there and walk them through recofiguring that 1 stupid router. thanks. |
| 18:49.43 | kesroesweyth | boudiccas if it's not a daemon, it's probably using some high port that is allowed through the firewall because the connection is in an established state |
| 18:49.48 | kesroesweyth | what do you need the port number for? |
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| 18:50.16 | boudiccas | kesroesweyth: so that i can give an accepted rule for the future in iptables |
| 18:50.33 | kesroesweyth | boudiccas I don't know that you have to. Is something not working properly? |
| 18:51.05 | boudiccas | i just have the feeling that if i restart it that it will not get through teh firewall |
| 18:51.12 | kesroesweyth | I'm far from a firewall expert, but if it's not a daemon, I don't think you need to worry about it as far as iptables is concerned. |
| 18:51.26 | boudiccas | fair enough |
| 18:51.30 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 18:51.54 | kesroesweyth | Assuming I'm even right, you're welcome. :) |
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| 19:00.57 | Yorke | if i format my hard drive does that mean i lose the uefi and all ability to boot the machine-- even using live cd/usb distros? |
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| 19:01.51 | ceil | stabs UEFI |
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| 19:02.28 | thewanderer1 | Yorke: no, the hard drive does not store the UEFI firmware code. but you'll be unable to boot any OS from that disk (obviously!) until you create a new EFI partition and install an OS on it. |
| 19:02.49 | Yorke | i over looked the whole uefi issue and now im stuck with a laptop unable to boot *gasp* |
| 19:03.25 | thewanderer1 | with most ISO9660 CD's, you'll need to use the legacy BIOS mode for booting - not many CDs are designed for EFI booting |
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| 19:05.24 | Iridos | oh, I might face that uefi stuff, too |
| 19:05.41 | Iridos | don't want any! |
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| 19:07.48 | jair | hello guys anyone here own an android device like Galaxy nexus or galaxy S3? |
| 19:07.51 | Yorke | my laptop doesnt have a cdrom drive, only usb |
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| 19:08.17 | Yorke | i managed to install debian, but of course, it cant boot into it and now it cant boot the usb installer anymore |
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| 19:12.18 | maher | spose i have some files named file000 to file999 and i want to list file197 to file203 - what's a good way of doing this? |
| 19:13.44 | untrusted | maher: on the command line? |
| 19:13.45 | kesroesweyth | maher what happens if you do ls |grep -A 6 197 |
| 19:14.27 | kesroesweyth | or something to that effect |
| 19:14.57 | maher | untrusted: yes |
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| 19:15.04 | untrusted | maher: bash? |
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| 19:15.26 | maher | kesroesweyth: yes - that will work - i was wondering if there was a buitin bash regex for that... |
| 19:15.47 | maher | untrusted: preferably - but i could cope with a different whell |
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| 19:15.53 | untrusted | maher: ls -l file{197..203} |
| 19:15.56 | maher | untrusted: s/whell/shell/ |
| 19:16.11 | untrusted | maher: or use seq |
| 19:16.27 | xxghostxx | Hello. I've done searches and I know WHY the mysql user debian-sys-maint exists, but does it really need all privs to function? |
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| 19:16.45 | xxghostxx | With the password for that user existing in plain text in a file I'd prefer to lock this user down more |
| 19:16.49 | maher | untrusted: thanks |
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| 19:21.02 | johndo | when I list packages with aptitude I get a 'B' in the 2nd colum which seems to mean broken dependencies for this package |
| 19:21.19 | johndo | to me it looks like all dependencies of that package are satisfied |
| 19:21.36 | johndo | aptitude install <this_package> does nothing |
| 19:21.52 | johndo | is there a way to refresh aptitudes dependencies? |
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| 19:42.01 | sp4rc | one noob question: how can i use 'apt-cache' to only search in squeeze-backports? |
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| 19:44.00 | jordanm | sp4rc: you can't, you need to use aptitude |
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| 19:46.54 | jordanm | sp4rc: aptitude search '~Asqueeze-backports' will show all packages that are available from backports |
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| 19:47.26 | sp4rc | jordanm: thanks! |
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| 20:01.32 | syslq_ | abrotman: ping |
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| 20:09.26 | dkr | it works a lot better when you use alien to convert 64 bit rpms to debs when you do it on a 64 bit system |
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| 20:14.50 | abrotman | syslq_: hi? |
| 20:14.58 | abrotman | dkr: duh? :) |
| 20:16.59 | dkr | abrotman: the annoying thing is that it was saying "foo.deb generated" without actually creating foo.deb (foo = legato networker client) |
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| 20:17.57 | syslq_ | abrotman: hi |
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| 20:24.02 | multi_io | can etckeeper reasonably be used to track arbitrary directories? I.e. if you just want to track the directory with git, but including uid/gid/chmod/symlink tracking? |
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| 20:27.44 | johndo | I try to check my system for packages with broken dependencies |
| 20:28.16 | jordanm | johndo: aptitude search '~i~b' |
| 20:28.20 | johndo | but either aptitude search '~i~Bdepends' and aptitude search '~i'|grep '^.B' generate me false positives |
| 20:28.56 | jordanm | ~b should provide what you want |
| 20:29.18 | johndo | jordanm: looks like the same false positives |
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| 20:29.42 | jordanm | johndo: as-in, its showing packages that are not broken? |
| 20:29.51 | johndo | jordanm: yes |
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| 20:30.03 | johndo | at least as far as I can see |
| 20:30.09 | jordanm | johndo: can you show an example? |
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| 20:32.40 | johndo | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/183089/ |
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| 20:33.48 | syslq_ | abrotman: have you ever worked with zimbra |
| 20:34.25 | heoa | Why does Javascript seem to be broken in Chromium with Debian? It fails with sites such as Facebook, etc |
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| 20:34.53 | BlueChip | I have just installed incrond and set up a test 'incron job' ...when I `touch` a file, incron executes my command properly, but then keeps on and on running the same command until I reload the incron table ...why might this be happening? |
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| 20:35.49 | BlueChip | ^^Am I asking this question in the right channel? |
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| 20:39.58 | BlueChip | AH! Found it! ...ignore me |
| 20:40.44 | xuriouss | Trying to export an NFS share with anonymous access. Man page isn't helping me. Where in this line did I go wrong? "/var/nfs 192.168.0.0/24(rw,insecure,no_root_squash,sync)" |
| 20:40.54 | dvs | /ignore BlueChip |
| 20:41.02 | BlueChip | lol |
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| 20:45.26 | esing | which tool should I install to unrar something |
| 20:45.41 | BlueChip | unrar-free iirc |
| 20:45.58 | esing | ty |
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| 20:46.23 | johndo | xuriouss: do you see the exported directory from the client with showmount -e servername? |
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| 20:49.18 | xuriouss | Hm one sec, I need to fire up a second nix vm. I'm trying to connect to the nfs share from ESXi, it doesn't have showmount. |
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| 20:50.36 | johndo | xuriouss: and what nfs version are you using? v3 or v4? |
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| 20:52.42 | xuriouss | version 3 on wheezy. |
| 20:53.36 | johndo | then this line should be ok |
| 20:53.50 | thewanderer1 | xuriouss: are you seeing an error message indicating failure of some kind? |
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| 20:54.46 | xuriouss | johndo: It doe show up on another client under showmount |
| 20:55.02 | Yorke | hi guys, me again, still treading through uefi problems.. so im booted into the netinstall using a usb and im at partman.. im trying to follow this partition outline but it doesnt seem to allow for the opts "-F32" http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=707382 |
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| 20:55.26 | johndo | xuriouss: then the server site seems to work, so as thewanderer1 said, are there any error messages? |
| 20:55.46 | xuriouss | "Operation failed, diagnostics report: Sysinfo error on operation returned status : I/O error." |
| 20:55.58 | thewanderer1 | xuriouss: where is that message coming from? |
| 20:56.13 | xuriouss | esxi |
| 20:56.34 | abrotman | syslq_: in what way? |
| 20:56.46 | abrotman | dkr: you may want to file a bug about that |
| 20:56.54 | thewanderer1 | xuriouss: first thing: have you tried to mount it on the server itself? |
| 20:57.18 | xuriouss | A minute gentlemen. I may have figured it out. |
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| 21:00.48 | fly- | anyone here run nsd? |
| 21:00.56 | Yorke | is it possible to use parted from command line during the netinstall? |
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| 21:01.48 | Yorke | i want to partition like the following link by it seems partman which is used in the install process cant do it http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/apcs05.html.en |
| 21:01.58 | jordanm | Yorke: no, parted is not included in debian-installer |
| 21:02.25 | jordanm | Yorke: you just want it to be gpt? |
| 21:03.06 | jordanm | oh, I guess it does have parted, according to the documentation you linked |
| 21:03.19 | Yorke | jordanm, to be honest, im not sure what is needed for an uefi, i believe it has to be gpt, and i wont be dual booting.. im pretty confused with the whole thing |
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| 21:03.35 | dvs | jordanm: for Itanium. ;-) |
| 21:03.47 | Yorke | jordanm, that documentation i believe is after the install process, but im trying to do it during the process |
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| 21:04.41 | syslq_ | abrotman: nevermind, I have sorted it out :), thanks anyway |
| 21:04.53 | jordanm | Yorke: I would just use a livecd before the process. parted is the only tool I know that properly handles gpt |
| 21:05.12 | jordanm | Yorke: are you needing partitions > 2TB? |
| 21:05.28 | Yorke | jordanm, no, i just have a 500gb drive |
| 21:05.46 | jordanm | Yorke: then why do you need GPT? |
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| 21:05.53 | Yorke | jordanm, its tricky i only have 1 usb drive and no external cd drive lol |
| 21:06.17 | Yorke | jordanm, i think uefi needs it because it wont boot |
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| 21:08.06 | Yorke | jordanm, the first try i was able to format the drive ridding myself of windows, and install debian, however it would just sit there with a cursor blinking if i rebooted, leading me to believe the system didnt know how to boot |
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| 21:09.16 | bfig | i'm getting a lot of errors related to not finding paths to ssl certificates, how can i tell programs to stop wasting their time trying to find proofs of authenticity or whatever? |
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| 21:12.21 | jelly-home | bfig: isn't the the actual purpose of ssl? |
| 21:12.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 21:12.48 | jelly-home | making sure you're connecting to who they're saying they are |
| 21:13.06 | bfig | jelly-home, ok, maybe what i need to do is install some certifying authority? |
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| 21:13.23 | abrotman | or tell us what the problem is |
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| 21:13.51 | bfig | i've had a problem trying to install pulse (www.poweredbypulse.com) |
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| 21:14.12 | bfig | and right now i'm having trouble downloading from https from an ant build script |
| 21:14.37 | bfig | it has to do with java i think, some errors seem to relate to that |
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| 21:14.53 | bfig | one sec, i'll paste the error |
| 21:16.21 | bfig | http://hpaste.org/72934 |
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| 21:16.34 | jelly-home | runs away when he sees java keystores |
| 21:17.41 | dvs | makes the keystores go bankrupt |
| 21:17.58 | bfig | but is there a way to avoid having those errors? shouldn't this be automatic? |
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| 21:21.57 | dvs | RA3OR: 74 |
| 21:22.00 | dvs | ;-) |
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| 21:34.54 | RA3OR | dvs: ? |
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| 21:36.31 | dvs | RA3OR: jk (from last time) |
| 21:36.41 | RA3OR | huh? |
| 21:36.49 | RA3OR | you are weird |
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| 21:56.50 | witheld | Where can you report a broken official mirror? |
| 21:57.09 | abrotman | is it broken for everyone? just you? broken how? |
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| 21:57.38 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
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| 21:59.31 | witheld | abrotman: ftp.utexas.edu I used to use it but it seems to not work for sid, or something along those lines, all I know is it broke when I was new to debian and I didn't really get what was going on. Error: Err http://ftp.utexas.edu sid/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found |
| 22:00.28 | abrotman | http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/ |
| 22:00.38 | abrotman | witheld: what is your sources.list |
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| 22:02.13 | witheld | deb http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian sid main |
| 22:02.17 | witheld | Only line |
| 22:02.23 | abrotman | seems fine to me .. |
| 22:02.42 | dvs | !hdn |
| 22:02.43 | abrotman | have you tried another mirror to verify it's utexas? |
| 22:03.15 | witheld | Yeah....it's the only one that messes up, I just wanted to use it because it's so close to me :/ |
| 22:03.46 | abrotman | witheld: if you use 'http://http.debian.net/" it will choose one near you |
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| 22:04.47 | witheld | abrotman: cool...thanks |
| 22:05.32 | abrotman | witheld: but the utexas mirror seems fine |
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| 22:05.49 | witheld | Weird |
| 22:06.00 | abrotman | witheld: do you have pdiff set to false? |
| 22:06.07 | abrotman | wait, that sholdn't matter |
| 22:06.35 | witheld | Anyway, this thing pointed me to one much closer, so thanks |
| 22:06.51 | abrotman | what would be closer? |
| 22:06.58 | abrotman | texas is so big, it has to be near everything! |
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| 22:18.54 | friendlySeal | hay gaize |
| 22:19.01 | friendlySeal | which part control su root |
| 22:19.08 | friendlySeal | so it dun ask me for pass |
| 22:19.37 | abrotman | it should |
| 22:19.42 | dvs | su always asks for a password. I think you're looking for sudo |
| 22:19.51 | friendlySeal | no |
| 22:20.01 | friendlySeal | im switching user to root |
| 22:20.08 | friendlySeal | and it ask me for pass |
| 22:20.14 | friendlySeal | but on my other server it doesnt |
| 22:20.26 | friendlySeal | is that the known hosts part? |
| 22:20.32 | friendlySeal | or sudoers? |
| 22:20.34 | friendlySeal | or which ? |
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| 22:21.40 | abrotman | friendlySeal: sudo is different than su |
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| 22:22.27 | friendlySeal | ok |
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| 22:32.31 | polyurethane | how do I disable system sounds? |
| 22:34.14 | abrotman | in what? |
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| 22:53.03 | r3m | is there a channel support for debian/kfreebsd |
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| 22:53.29 | abrotman | r3m: on irc.oftc.net, yes |
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| 22:53.35 | r3m | ok thanks abrotman |
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| 23:15.55 | krababbel | Hi, I am connected to another host via ssh. Now I wanted to ssh back to my first host from there. Is this possible? |
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| 23:16.07 | krababbel | from the same ssh session |
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| 23:16.35 | gotmynick | yes |
| 23:16.49 | gotmynick | as soon as there is a sshd in the first host too |
| 23:17.09 | krababbel | gotmynick: thanks, seems I have an iptable rule preventing me, missed it before. sorry |
| 23:17.14 | krababbel | of course |
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| 23:26.49 | zykotick9 | abrotman: re your comment to witheld does "http://http.debian.net/" really work? i thought it was http://cdn.debian.net/ |
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| 23:27.23 | taipres | new to debian can someone please tell me how to install http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/clang/download |
| 23:27.29 | taipres | tried every which way, nothings working |
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| 23:27.38 | Juze | rpm -i packagename? |
| 23:27.58 | simonlnu | dpkg, not rpm. go back to #fedora ;P |
| 23:27.58 | dpkg | simonlnu: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:28.03 | Juze | Don't know how it's in Debian to be exact, if it's .bin, chmod a+x filename, then ./filename |
| 23:28.15 | Juze | simonlnu: Heh, used to RHEL :P |
| 23:28.17 | taipres | yeah tried dpkg -i clang_3.1-8_i386.deb didn't work |
| 23:28.21 | taipres | tried it with fully url too |
| 23:28.22 | Juze | Still using Debian somewhere, but less frequently |
| 23:28.26 | abrotman | zykotick9: they both work |
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| 23:28.37 | zykotick9 | abrotman: cool thanks, good to know. |
| 23:28.49 | simonlnu | uses the http.d.n one |
| 23:28.53 | abrotman | zykotick9: /msg dpkg cdn.debian.net, /msg dpkg http.debian.net |
| 23:29.02 | taipres | adding a line to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 23:29.05 | taipres | did that as well |
| 23:29.09 | graham1 | if i do a aptitude update && aptitude upgrade, does it upgrade all things on the box? including any apache servers and whatever other crap ive downloaded? how cna i see a list of all things ive installed, and easily uninstall if need be? im on debian squeeze command line only |
| 23:29.26 | Juze | graham1: If they're in the repository, yes |
| 23:29.29 | simonlnu | taipres: um, you don't really want to do that... |
| 23:29.40 | abrotman | taipres: you only do that if you want ot run unstable, not something you generalyl want to do |
| 23:29.50 | taipres | yeah I planned on removing after |
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| 23:29.53 | Yorke | hi guys, im making headway.. i think... im following this posting, and at step 4, when i modprobe efivars i get the error "FATAL: error inserting efivars (/long path to kernel/efivars.ko): no such device. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=81120 any ideas? |
| 23:29.56 | simonlnu | esp. being a debian newbie |
| 23:29.57 | taipres | but thus far nothings working |
| 23:30.11 | Juze | graham1: http://nixdoc.net/man-pages/Linux/man1/APTITUDE.1.html |
| 23:30.12 | abrotman | graham1: not always |
| 23:30.17 | abrotman | Juze: have you ever used Debian? |
| 23:30.30 | Juze | abrotman: Mmhm, but less frequently |
| 23:30.33 | abrotman | graham1: man aptitude, see the parts about safe-upgrade vs full-upgrade |
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| 23:30.44 | simonlnu | Yorke: another driver is occupying said hardware, or you don't have such hardware (usually former) |
| 23:31.56 | abrotman | or unsupported hardware? |
| 23:32.31 | simonlnu | yeh that too. but that tends to spit out nothing to syslog |
| 23:32.32 | Yorke | simonlnu, i am trying to get debian installed on the new asus zenbook, im pretty sure it has uefi |
| 23:32.51 | taipres | so no one knows? |
| 23:33.01 | taipres | how would you install clang_3.1-8_i386.deb? |
| 23:33.25 | LtL | taipres: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 23:33.30 | ksx4system | anyone tried to compile CDE (Common Desktop Environment) on Debian 6.0 squeeze? |
| 23:33.45 | abrotman | taipres: you can't do that |
| 23:33.52 | abrotman | ksx4system: god, i hope not |
| 23:34.08 | abrotman | taipres: you cannot just take packages from unstable nad force them onto stable, it makes your OS cry |
| 23:34.10 | taipres | abrotman why not |
| 23:34.23 | abrotman | judd: depends clang --release sid |
| 23:34.24 | judd | Package clang in sid/i386 -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libffi5 (>= 3.0.4), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libllvm3.1, libstdc++6 (>= 4.6), libstdc++6-4.6-dev, libclang-common-dev (= 3.1-8). |
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| 23:34.32 | ksx4system | abrotman: why not? I'd love to use it! (and since they're opensourced this uber-oldschool piece of software there's no reason not to try it) |
| 23:34.43 | simonlnu | taipres: he just said why |
| 23:34.53 | abrotman | ksx4system: so go for it .. you won't be very excited |
| 23:35.13 | taipres | that's a horrible reason, so now I can't even install "unstable" aka bleeding edge versions on debian if it too isn't "Unstable" which makes no senes |
| 23:35.14 | dvs | gets a straightjacket for ksx4system |
| 23:35.36 | ksx4system | abrotman: well, after walking around Solaris 9 I can tell that it's fucking awesome |
| 23:35.41 | ksx4system | and no, I'm not trolling |
| 23:35.42 | abrotman | taipres: can you install a program made to only work on Windows7 on WindowsXP ? |
| 23:35.56 | abrotman | ksx4system: use it a bit longer, you'll find it's not so great .. |
| 23:36.04 | abrotman | ksx4system: anyway .. why doesn't it compile ? |
| 23:36.22 | taipres | abrotman linux is not cutting edge like windows is, so there's 0 reason for this program not to work on debian 6(the LATEST OS VERSION) |
| 23:36.35 | abrotman | taipres: okay, do what you want |
| 23:36.36 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 23:36.51 | abrotman | we can't stop you, only advise you |
| 23:36.55 | dvs | tried to port the Windows 8 UI to Debian |
| 23:36.58 | simonlnu | coughs at "cutting edge like windows is" |
| 23:37.05 | taipres | I can't get it to install anything, says not found |
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| 23:37.23 | taipres | win8 ui is pretty ugly :( previously know was metro |
| 23:37.33 | simonlnu | taipres: how about you learn how to do things, instead of guessing? and obviously failing. |
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| 23:37.44 | ksx4system | abrotman: I didn't tell I can't actually compile it. I didn't try but I came here to ask anyone if it was done (well, it was but sf.net page tells nothing on how bumpy ride can it be) |
| 23:37.51 | taipres | i've googled and tried to dkpg aptitude apt-get |
| 23:37.54 | simonlnu | start with man dpkg and man apt-get |
| 23:38.02 | ksx4system | runs for his ghetto '99 Toshiba laptop |
| 23:38.12 | taipres | nothings getting it done so simonlnu how about instead of insulting me you become part of the solution, not the problem |
| 23:38.38 | simonlnu | i am. you just take things like you want to hear them. *plonk* |
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| 23:39.11 | abrotman | ksx4system: use a VM ? |
| 23:39.54 | ksx4system | abrotman: why? I'd like to run CDE on this old laptop :) more oldschool feeling |
| 23:40.00 | abrotman | okay |
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| 23:42.51 | nsadmin | taipres, the insult would have been if he read the man page to you |
| 23:43.07 | nsadmin | you know, like a bedtime story |
| 23:43.10 | eidsten | Hey! I have a question i hope someone could answer: What is the debian based distro with the lowest system requirements? Or a recomended distro that runs on 64mb RAM? |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | eidsten: the children distro page at debian.org may help you |
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| 23:43.50 | eidsten | ok, thanks! I'll check it ou! |
| 23:43.53 | eidsten | *out! |
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| 23:44.52 | teratorn | eidsten: debian would be fine, as would any number of other systems. |
| 23:44.58 | ksx4system | eidsten: lol, just run "ordinary" Debian... but install everything from scratch and use light GUI (Fluxbox, Openbox, maybe even LXDE) |
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| 23:45.16 | taipres | read debian dropping kde/gnome for xfce |
| 23:45.21 | taipres | that's fantastic news, xfce rocks |
| 23:45.28 | teratorn | eidsten: slackware provides you with a large number of kernels to choose from out of the box, which have a memory (somewhat small) impact |
| 23:45.40 | teratorn | eidsten: I don't know if there are debian-based distros that do simiar |
| 23:45.44 | ksx4system | c'mon, xfce is too big taipress |
| 23:45.45 | teratorn | or if you compile your own |
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| 23:46.06 | teratorn | eidsten: I wouldn't worry until going to 32 of 16 meg system |
| 23:46.11 | teratorn | s/of/or |
| 23:46.15 | Niyakun | so debian dropped gnome for xfce? |
| 23:46.18 | taipres | xfce smaller than kde/gnome by magnitudes and slightly more resource intense than ldxe but the features and overall theme makes it worth it |
| 23:46.19 | abrotman | no ... |
| 23:46.23 | abrotman | god .. people can't read |
| 23:46.31 | taipres | Niyakun yeah because they couldn't fit it on a cd |
| 23:46.33 | teratorn | Niyakun: nothing is "dropped" per se |
| 23:46.43 | ksx4system | abrotman: wut? |
| 23:46.59 | abrotman | Niyakun: they changed the default "Desktop" task (which no one uses anyway) to install XFCE instead of Gnome .. it's really not a big deal |
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| 23:47.23 | Niyakun | i think because gnome3 is ugly, xfce looks old school, gnome2ish |
| 23:47.23 | abrotman | people are so excited, but i don't think they understand it really won't have much impact |
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| 23:47.38 | abrotman | Niyakun: no, because they couldn't fit enough gnome3 on CD1 to make it a truly useful desktop |
| 23:47.45 | taipres | the impact is in peoples reaction, that they love xfce and that gnome is too fat |
| 23:47.48 | dvs | would cry if KDE is gone |
| 23:47.57 | taipres | so it does indeed have a reaction, that gnome and kde aren't king |
| 23:47.58 | abrotman | taipres: uh .. no |
| 23:48.23 | taipres | well you like speaking for everyone i gather, reading your above statement so not suprised you disagree with me |
| 23:48.27 | Niyakun | lol |
| 23:48.28 | eidsten | Thanks everyone! I'll check out your advices! |
| 23:49.07 | abrotman | i gave you the reason .. but you know better |
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| 23:49.42 | taipres | I think first step is get rid of these fat desktops, gnome kde next get rid of fat compilers(gcc) with clang :D |
| 23:50.07 | taipres | it's almost a complete replacment, is faster, much cleaner code, etc... |
| 23:50.26 | abrotman | xfce is fat too |
| 23:50.39 | abrotman | taipres: have you fixed your clang problem yet? |
| 23:50.49 | taipres | think so, am testing now |
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| 23:53.08 | teratorn | does xfce have nice outofthebox fuse integration? |
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| 23:53.34 | tharkun | Gentlemen I have this Wolfensteing game that I like to play. It runs on dos can anyone tell me how to run it under debian. I just forgot the name of the program I need |
| 23:53.50 | mmnicolas | tharkun: dosbox ? |
| 23:53.52 | abrotman | tharkun: dosbox ? |
| 23:53.54 | taipres | not sure, but I use to be a lxde fan because of weak system, I run linux distros in vms, with kde/gnome was slow as it gets, with xfce and lxde was incredibly fast, not much mem used either |
| 23:54.04 | mmnicolas | probably dosbox. |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | dosemu used to be available |
| 23:54.17 | taipres | got xfce on openbsd and many distros it rocks, look, feel, functionality top notch |
| 23:54.17 | abrotman | taipres: have you fixed your clang problem yet? |
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| 23:54.36 | taipres | still installing |
| 23:54.38 | teratorn | sawfish is an incredibly flexible windowmanager, and very featureful, btw |
| 23:54.51 | teratorn | and mostly written in a fairly decent lisp dialect |
| 23:54.54 | tharkun | mmnicolas, abrotman: you've made the day :) |
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| 23:56.37 | taipres | root@vuvfhgjs:~# clang --version |
| 23:56.38 | taipres | Debian clang version 3.1-8 (branches/release_31) (based on LLVM 3.1) |
| 23:56.38 | taipres | Target: i386-pc-linux-gnu |
| 23:56.38 | taipres | Thread model: posix |
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| 23:56.52 | taipres | yay! |
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| 23:57.53 | taipres | to help others I put deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main in /etc/apt/sources.list then did sudo apt-get update so it'd get new list, then just sudo apt-get install clang and grabbed latest version |
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| 23:58.49 | taipres | latest version os clang is important because it allows proper arm binary output, so can test in qemu |
| 23:58.52 | taipres | :) |
| 23:59.00 | dvs | taipres: and installed other libraries from sid that might wreak havoc when you try to install other packages. |
| 23:59.21 | taipres | nah |
| 23:59.33 | taipres | you can just remove entry from /etc/apt/sources.list then sudo apt-get update |
| 23:59.51 | dvs | taipres: But the new libraries are still there. |
