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| 00:00.16 | taipres | oh, well yeah, but that's a good thing :) |
| 00:00.39 | taipres | at least in my scenario, hopefully debian gets it done, couldn't accomplish on old ubuntu or new, tried for hours |
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| 00:04.41 | abrotman | dvs: he knows what he's doing ... he's been using Debian for years |
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| 00:06.11 | taipres | i've been using linux and bsd distros for some time yes...they're all pretty much the same, just everyone wants to do things their own way |
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| 00:06.22 | taipres | so have to get caught up in mindless sublime differences |
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| 00:07.51 | taipres | I have ubuntu on servers, because it tends to fight with me less in getting things installed/config'd but someone recommended debian to me, so giving it a shot |
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| 00:10.20 | taipres | so is the official debian channel or is it the one on oftc? |
| 00:10.35 | dvs | oftc |
| 00:11.15 | taipres | alrighty thanks |
| 00:11.27 | graham1 | so ive done a dpkg -list and found mentions to some services i want stopped. how do i uninstall them? and how do i upgrade everrrrrrrrrything on my machine easily? to latest versions. i dont want to be exploitable through any of my services, NOT just debian itself |
| 00:11.47 | abrotman | !tell graham1 about grounding |
| 00:12.17 | taipres | sudo apt-get --purge remove appname this maybe of use |
| 00:12.39 | taipres | to stop servers sudo /etc/init.d/servicename stop |
| 00:12.47 | taipres | services rather |
| 00:13.14 | enlace_quimico | best way to uninstall gnome3 and migrate to xfce4 ? |
| 00:13.19 | enlace_quimico | without breaking anything |
| 00:13.26 | graham1 | thanks,t hat was of use. why can i not see apache on the list? i definately installed that |
| 00:13.37 | graham1 | also rutorrent is not on the list, and that was definately installed too? |
| 00:13.42 | dvs | taipres: no, service <name> stop |
| 00:13.42 | taipres | graham1 maybe it's under the name apach2 |
| 00:13.45 | taipres | apache2 |
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| 00:14.19 | taipres | dvs so you're saying sudo /etc/init.d/servicename stop doesn't work? |
| 00:14.36 | dvs | taipres: it will eventually stop working. |
| 00:14.38 | taipres | "Stopping web server: apache2apache2" |
| 00:14.44 | taipres | loosk to work to me |
| 00:14.52 | abrotman | taipres: you do realize that Debian doesn't isntall or configure sudo by deafult? |
| 00:15.15 | abrotman | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 00:15.19 | taipres | how do you do things under root then |
| 00:15.22 | taipres | su? |
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| 00:15.48 | taipres | sudo seems to be on my default debian install, and it's configued... |
| 00:15.54 | graham1 | if i type dpkg --list in putty, will allll the services come up? coz it doesn't seem that way. apache is not on there, rutorrent is not on there |
| 00:16.01 | graham1 | and who knows what else? |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | graham1: those aren't services, those are packages |
| 00:17.30 | graham1 | lol |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | graham1: why did you install apache if you don't want it running ? |
| 00:18.03 | graham1 | so how do i list packages installed then? and then selectively remove ones i dont want? |
| 00:18.32 | abrotman | graham1: man aptitude |
| 00:18.41 | graham1 | i wanted it before, but now i dont, because transmission daemon is doing what is needed. i only installed apache before because i needed to for rutorrent/rtorrent |
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| 00:31.31 | mmnicolas | abrotman: it does configure sudo automatically is you don't set a root password during the installer |
| 00:31.39 | mmnicolas | s/is/if |
| 00:31.52 | abrotman | who would do that .. |
| 00:32.24 | mmnicolas | someone who doesn't care much |
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| 00:41.55 | taipres | wow after multiple days, countless hours, I finally got this working, debian rocks :) |
| 00:42.05 | taipres | think from now on for servers i'm going debian all the way |
| 00:42.12 | Dion | ^ Good choice. |
| 00:42.34 | Dion | deb-net-install is your friend taipres. |
| 00:43.04 | graham1 | how can i see current upload kb/sec and download kb/sec on my vps? |
| 00:43.10 | Dion | 1. burn deb-net-install.iso to a disc. - boot the disc. install it - pick what packages you want. - reboot, remove disc, done. |
| 00:43.20 | graham1 | its debian squeeze |
| 00:43.38 | abrotman | graham1: iotop |
| 00:43.38 | mmnicolas | graham1: iftop ? |
| 00:43.42 | taipres | :D |
| 00:43.43 | abrotman | erm .. iftop .. yes |
| 00:43.56 | graham1 | command not found..? |
| 00:44.13 | Dion | ^ install it. |
| 00:44.15 | Dion | apt-get install iftop |
| 00:44.16 | mmnicolas | then install package to provide command |
| 00:45.31 | mmnicolas | you should get iotop too, they're buddies |
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| 00:46.52 | graham1 | omfg the cumm: is cumaltive right? but my friend is downloading from my server, how do i watch just his speeds? |
| 00:47.39 | mmnicolas | graham1: well, you have some huge meters at the top, with a scale |
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| 00:50.11 | graham1 | im receiving at 700k/sec apparenty. i have no idea how?! |
| 00:50.25 | graham1 | there is nothing seeding or downoading to the server |
| 00:50.28 | krababbel | your friend? |
| 00:50.39 | abrotman | graham1: kB or kb ? |
| 00:50.49 | dvs | graham1: I've heard about iftop but I've never used it myself. |
| 00:51.08 | graham1 | na my friend should be downloading frommm the server so thats TX (Transmission)? |
| 00:51.18 | graham1 | RX = receiving apparently |
| 00:51.20 | graham1 | it says "KB" |
| 00:52.09 | mmnicolas | graham1: the big white bars is what you should be looking at |
| 00:52.16 | graham1 | thats what im doing |
| 00:52.19 | mmnicolas | if any |
| 00:52.21 | graham1 | RX = 1MB |
| 00:52.30 | graham1 | TX = 800KB |
| 00:52.32 | dvs | mmnicolas: uh... what is he looking at? |
| 00:52.58 | graham1 | there is nothing downoading on the server to my knowledge, so why is there anything being received? |
| 00:53.11 | abrotman | maybe jnettop would be easier to figure out ? |
| 00:53.11 | krababbel | cum means total transmitted, not per second |
| 00:53.17 | mmnicolas | dvs: text that says RX and TX :P |
| 00:53.25 | dvs | ... |
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| 00:54.23 | graham1 | oh i see. i misinterpeted |
| 00:54.48 | graham1 | but even so, since ive started the program, 1mb has been received and 1mb has been downloaded |
| 00:54.57 | abrotman | maybe jnettop would be easier to figure out ? |
| 00:55.01 | mmnicolas | I was talking about this bar and this scale: http://i.imgur.com/pPRcQ.png |
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| 00:55.39 | graham1 | but since i started watching, more than a couple of mb has been uploaded and downloaded |
| 00:55.43 | graham1 | albeit at slow speeds |
| 00:55.51 | graham1 | why? the vps is doing nothing |
| 00:56.34 | mmnicolas | aren't you "on it" ? |
| 00:56.53 | graham1 | oh yeee true lmfao |
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| 00:57.47 | graham1 | but still 3mb of transfer ? i wasn't sending anything to server, i was just watching |
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| 00:58.05 | abrotman | and it's sending what you're watching |
| 00:58.05 | graham1 | so if anything there should /just/ be a TX total? |
| 00:58.21 | graham1 | ye its sending what im watching, but why is it receiving anything? |
| 00:58.34 | graham1 | 1.72mb worth! in less than 5 mins or so |
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| 01:03.47 | mmnicolas | it's receiving encrypted input from your terminal, and you typed a lot of stuff |
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| 01:04.29 | graham1 | i did? i didn't type anything once loading the program |
| 01:04.36 | UnknownPacket | ^ Fail |
| 01:04.42 | abrotman | ... |
| 01:04.43 | mmnicolas | I assumed your irc client was on your vps |
| 01:04.44 | UnknownPacket | utterly a fail. |
| 01:04.52 | graham1 | no it wasnt |
| 01:04.53 | abrotman | say again? |
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| 01:05.03 | graham1 | hardly 100 cahracters was typed on my vps |
| 01:05.03 | abrotman | thought so ... |
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| 01:44.35 | dokma|2 | speakers on my lap are not working. what would be a good way to tell if it's due to me messing up my config or the speakers died? |
| 01:45.13 | Dion | ^ Check the contacts on the mobo :P Ripping apart your laptop is always fun. |
| 01:45.24 | Dion | How old is your laptop dokma|2 ? |
| 01:45.31 | dokma|2 | about 2 years |
| 01:45.40 | dokma|2 | they worked till about a year ago |
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| 01:47.59 | sauvin | If your sound system is borked, you wouldn't get sound on headphones, would you? |
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| 01:53.47 | ebanders | Usually at the start of some music or other audio, there will be a bunch of static and sometimes even a reverberation effect distorting the audio. The oddest thing is: alt-tabbing / switching applications a couple times almost always fixes the problem and the audio returns to normal. |
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| 02:04.41 | nevyn | are you in the html5 trial? |
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| 02:08.52 | \3TATUK | What are the 'not+gnu-kfreebsd' and 'not+kfreebsd-gnu' virtual packages for? |
| 02:10.10 | ManoftheSea | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.45 | nevyn | thought that was possible |
| 02:13.04 | ManoftheSea | and html5 when not. |
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| 02:15.55 | mmnicolas | dokma|2: I once had a client who complained his rear speaker output stopped working and only headphone jack on the front panel worked, he was right until is disconnected the front panel, he had stuck something in the jack so that the headphone jack sense was always and therefore cutted off the speakers |
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| 02:27.26 | nevyn | ManoftheSea: that's what I was thinking |
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| 03:03.43 | intuxicated | what is the default desktop of debian testing ? gnome 3 ? |
| 03:04.01 | ManoftheSea | intuxicated: xfce |
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| 03:04.31 | intuxicated | sure ? there is other iso for xfce http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
| 03:04.36 | sney | intuxicated: it is gnome-shell (gnome 3) |
| 03:04.42 | sney | ManoftheSea: he said default. |
| 03:04.49 | intuxicated | aha |
| 03:04.57 | intuxicated | ok , ty |
| 03:05.16 | \3TATUK | Also, this seems odd.. But, can anyone explain/rationalize the difference, at the bottom, between the listed sponsor ( after "This service is sponsored by " ) at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/not+kfreebsd-gnu and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/not+gnu-kfreebsd ... ? |
| 03:05.17 | ManoftheSea | I thought that's what we talked about recently. |
| 03:05.27 | ManoftheSea | That it was changed to xfce, to fit on a disk |
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| 03:05.43 | sney | ManoftheSea: I think some people were suggesting that, but it's not a change that has been made officially |
| 03:06.01 | ManoftheSea | oh, I thought it was. sorry |
| 03:06.43 | sney | people have all sorts of suggestions especially about GUI defaults, but debian makes changes slowly and deliberately, not just at the whim of a bunch of people in an irc channel who think it's a good idea. |
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| 03:07.19 | ManoftheSea | I didn't know who made the decision. I just thought it was made. If not, I'll go back to thinking it's not made. |
| 03:08.19 | schoen | howdy folks. I've got an annoying little issue. I've set up sudo and put myself into the sudoers file, but still can't sudo :( |
| 03:09.16 | sney | schoen: log out and log back in |
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| 03:09.45 | nevyn | how did you put yourself in the sudoers file? |
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| 03:10.18 | schoen | sney, tried that |
| 03:10.38 | schoen | nevyn, schoen ALL=(All) ALL |
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| 03:11.26 | jose__ | hello |
| 03:12.07 | \3TATUK | ManoftheSea, sney: The gnome->xfce change in tasksel has a commit in Git, but hasn't been reflected in APT ... |
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| 03:12.39 | \3TATUK | http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commit;h=2a962cc65cdba010177f27e8824ba10d9a799a08 |
| 03:12.39 | \3TATUK | http://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/tasksel |
| 03:12.51 | \3TATUK | Personally, I'm flip-flop on the idea. |
| 03:13.21 | schoen | do i have to restart something for sudo to notice the settings in sudoers? |
| 03:13.34 | \3TATUK | no |
| 03:13.37 | \3TATUK | I've used both GNOME and XFCE extensively, and have liked both.. potentially almost equally... But probably the main reason I'm using GNOME ATM is simply because it's the tasksel default... |
| 03:14.16 | schoen | here's my sudoers file. Can anybody spot what's wrong? http://pastebin.com/JLjDkKHw |
| 03:14.18 | \3TATUK | I've heard certain arguments against the GNOME3 direction (akin to KDE bloat)... but also counter-arguments ... |
| 03:15.07 | nevyn | schoen: duplicate rule for root |
| 03:15.09 | \3TATUK | schoen: why do you suspect something is wrong ? |
| 03:15.13 | nevyn | does visudo complain? |
| 03:15.19 | \3TATUK | also, that. |
| 03:15.31 | schoen | \3TATUK, because I can't sudo :( |
| 03:15.38 | ManoftheSea | schoen: case sensitivity? |
| 03:15.55 | schoen | ManoftheSea, in the users? no they're correct |
| 03:15.55 | \3TATUK | schoen: what happens when you try ? |
| 03:16.00 | nevyn | schoen: visudo -c -f sudoers |
| 03:16.34 | ManoftheSea | in the "All" instead of "ALL" |
| 03:16.34 | schoen | nevyn, parsed OK |
| 03:16.50 | nevyn | ok. |
| 03:16.55 | schoen | \3TATUK, Sorry, user schoen is not allowed to execute '/bin/ls' as root on defectivehaus.defectivehaus.com. |
| 03:16.57 | nevyn | sudo ls |
| 03:17.04 | schoen | yup thats what i get |
| 03:17.11 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:17.12 | \3TATUK | schoen: yeah, try changing "All" to "ALL" |
| 03:17.16 | nevyn | ohh |
| 03:17.22 | nevyn | those are like totally different. |
| 03:17.26 | \3TATUK | ManoftheSea++ |
| 03:17.32 | schoen | oh shit you're right! |
| 03:17.47 | ManoftheSea | sursly, u gaiz |
| 03:17.48 | schoen | I've looked at this like 1000 times and never noticed that uuugh |
| 03:17.54 | \3TATUK | lower-level stuff tends to be case sensitive ;) |
| 03:17.55 | ManoftheSea | ted's wrong too |
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| 03:17.59 | schoen | yup |
| 03:18.02 | schoen | ted is wrong |
| 03:18.07 | schoen | ted's the one who set it up =\ |
| 03:18.11 | nevyn | ManoftheSea++ |
| 03:18.32 | \3TATUK | uh, who's ted ? >_> |
| 03:18.47 | schoen | my stupid sysadmin |
| 03:18.53 | schoen | whose job I guess I do better |
| 03:18.55 | \3TATUK | herm |
| 03:19.02 | \3TATUK | hey guys, check this out: the difference, at the bottom, between the listed sponsor ( after "This service is sponsored by " ) at http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/not+kfreebsd-gnu and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/not+gnu-kfreebsd ... ? |
| 03:19.04 | ManoftheSea | "sudo deluser ted" no one of importance. |
| 03:19.14 | schoen | haha sounds good |
| 03:19.40 | nevyn | user {ted: ensure => absent, } |
| 03:19.58 | \3TATUK | wait, ManoftheSea, how did you even know about 'ted' ... schoen didn't mention him ... ? |
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| 03:20.12 | schoen | \3TATUK, he is all-knowing |
| 03:20.14 | nevyn | \3TATUK: it's in the sudoers he pastebined |
| 03:20.17 | \3TATUK | herm |
| 03:20.18 | schoen | hehe |
| 03:20.21 | \3TATUK | derp |
| 03:21.17 | sney | huh, how about that, xfce default |
| 03:21.22 | ManoftheSea | same as I noticed All... autism. |
| 03:21.43 | \3TATUK | can anyone explain that? the 'sponsor' difference between http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/not+kfreebsd-gnu and http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/not+gnu-kfreebsd ... ? |
| 03:21.46 | \3TATUK | ^_^ |
| 03:21.50 | \3TATUK | i'm perplexed |
| 03:21.51 | ManoftheSea | and while I'm winning tonight... good night. |
| 03:22.44 | ManoftheSea | how about this one: When I run apt-get on my VPS (5 GB disk, 64MB RAM), ssh gets slow and IRC drops. |
| 03:22.56 | ManoftheSea | also, I get like... 15 "apt-get" processes. |
| 03:23.09 | ManoftheSea | while it tries to download pdiffs. |
| 03:23.29 | ManoftheSea | do I need to look for some qc, so acks go to front of the network queue |
| 03:23.37 | mmnicolas | ManoftheSea: what VPS is that ? |
| 03:23.45 | \3TATUK | well first off 64MB/5GB is pretty small ... |
| 03:23.58 | sney | yeah, you're probably swapping |
| 03:24.03 | sney | check 'free -m' while it's going |
| 03:24.05 | \3TATUK | are you sure you can even run linux on 64 MB ? LOL |
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| 03:24.20 | ManoftheSea | yes, it's small. Also, it just runs IRC. |
| 03:24.27 | mmnicolas | you can certainly run a container yes |
| 03:24.34 | \3TATUK | eh, i guess if you don't run X |
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| 03:25.44 | sney | \3TATUK: that sponsor thing is probably just a hosting difference, packages.d.o might be hosted on a few different servers with mod_rewrites, I'm not an expert but it would make sense |
| 03:25.46 | ManoftheSea | any way to slow down apt-get? |
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| 03:26.15 | sney | well, you can turn off pdiffs if that seems to consistently cause your slowdown |
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| 03:26.51 | mmnicolas | it really shouldn't, pdiffs are there to save on size |
| 03:26.52 | sney | or just schedule your 'apt-get update' run for some time of day when you're not using the system |
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| 03:27.38 | mmnicolas | ManoftheSea: Acquire::http::Dl-Limit "70"; |
| 03:27.59 | ManoftheSea | sney: "using the system" is really only running irc |
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| 03:28.33 | sney | I mean a time when you're not active and you wouldn't notice or care about it lagging |
| 03:29.03 | mmnicolas | ManoftheSea: see "man apt.conf" |
| 03:29.05 | ManoftheSea | yeah, I should add a daily cronjob to update apt |
| 03:29.19 | \3TATUK | sney: yeah, i suppose that's logical... just curious how it determines which package is on which server... ie, how it splits them |
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| 03:30.28 | mmnicolas | ManoftheSea: then look for apt::periodic and the unattended-upgrades package |
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| 03:31.47 | Rotaerk | weird... I'm installing debian, and watching the alt-F4 screen where it's listing files it's downloading, but they're going really slowly... like a few KB/s |
| 03:32.09 | Rotaerk | but if I switch to the alt-F2 console and do a wget of the exact same thing, it downloads in a snap |
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| 03:39.50 | stuckey | How should I configure my fstab to mount a ntfs filesystem automatically and have read/write capability to the user? |
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| 03:42.34 | \3TATUK | sney: do you know what those two virtual packages are even for? ( 'not+gnu-kfreebsd' and 'not+kfreebsd-gnu' ) |
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| 03:43.02 | sney | I'm not a kfreebsd user so no |
| 03:43.19 | sney | but usually virtual packages like that are to ease transitions |
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| 03:44.30 | \3TATUK | yeah but there's no further information on the site so idk |
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| 03:44.34 | \3TATUK | just curious |
| 03:44.41 | \3TATUK | cause i'm interested in kfreebsd |
| 03:47.10 | \3TATUK | stuckey: the native 'ntfs' driver doesn't support writing, but it looks like 'ntfs-3g' \ 'ntfs-fuse' would: http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS/ |
| 03:47.13 | sney | \3TATUK: well, you could install it in a vm or something. or hang out in #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org |
| 03:47.26 | sney | confirmed that ntfs3g supports writing |
| 03:48.16 | sney | fuse is a pain to set up for automount, though. I usually just drop a script in my home directory |
| 03:48.43 | stuckey | fuse? |
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| 03:51.35 | sney | !fuse |
| 03:51.35 | dpkg | FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem#FUSE_Filesystem . http://apps.sf.net/mediawiki/fuse/?title=FAQ http://fuse.sf.net/ ##fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:52.36 | stuckey | sney: Thanks! /dev/sda3 /mount/loc ntfs-3g 0 0 in fstab seems to work for me. |
| 03:53.14 | sney | huh, maybe they've ironed out what was annoying in the past |
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| 03:53.47 | stuckey | sney: when I mount this on linux (and I'm still going to use the volume on win), do i need to set owners/gropus/permissions? |
| 03:54.10 | sney | try it and see. that's where I used to get stuck. see if you user can write to it |
| 03:54.10 | mmnicolas | stuckey: what if you plug in another usb drive |
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| 03:56.22 | stuckey | mmnicolas: it automounts --- that I have set in fstab. |
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| 03:57.08 | mmnicolas | I mean, two at the same time |
| 03:57.20 | stuckey | mmnicolas: I don't know, haevn't tried it. |
| 03:57.41 | mmnicolas | that's why you don't want static fstab entries for removable medias |
| 03:58.09 | stuckey | mmnicolas: the one in question isn't removable; it's a volume on a physical disk |
| 03:58.54 | mmnicolas | oh, you got it then |
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| 04:01.54 | mmnicolas | stuckey: I'm pretty sure you'll have to set uid= to your user since it'll be automounted on boot |
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| 04:47.05 | RIVE | Good evenning |
| 04:47.13 | sney | hi |
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| 04:47.48 | fero | Dear all, I have posted a question about psycopg2 and libgnutls on Debian Wheezy with sage-5.2-Ubuntu-10.04 . If anyone could help me it would be greatly appreciated http://ask.sagemath.org/question/1674/psycopg2-importerror-libgnutls-on-debian-wheezy |
| 04:49.27 | sney | fero: is that sage-5.2-Ubuntu-10.04 a binary package from a different distribution? |
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| 04:50.37 | fero | sage is a huge package that replace many of the system libraries in a chroot and sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 04:51.02 | sney | fero: if so, you should know, debian does not guarantee binary compatibility with any other apt/deb distributions, especially something built for an ubuntu release as old as 10.04 and EXTRA especially something as huge as that |
| 04:51.27 | sney | my advice is to acquire the source for that sage package, build it for wheezy, and then try again and see if it reproduces the bug |
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| 04:52.08 | fero | Yes I know. Btw it is not an Ubuntu package, ... it's worse than that from this point of view because it is a compiled version of sage that runs in Ubuntu-10.04 :) |
| 04:52.52 | sney | right, ubuntu doesn't use capitol letters in their version numbers so I could tell it was third party. still, it says what it was built for, and wheezy is a lot newer and very different from ubuntu 10.x |
| 04:52.55 | fero | sney: thanks that could be a way to go |
| 04:53.13 | sney | !nmg |
| 04:53.13 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 04:53.19 | fero | sney: but if we have a smarter way, it could be easier.... |
| 04:53.33 | sney | you can skim through this and find the (easy) instructions for rebuilding debian packages from source |
| 04:53.39 | bfig | how can i know if i have java2ee installed? |
| 04:53.45 | bfig | j2ee* |
| 04:53.55 | mmnicolas | http://sagemath.org/download-source.html |
| 04:54.00 | sney | fero: this is the smartest way if you want to have a sane wheezy system, fero. if you want fast, just install that ubuntu version |
| 04:54.03 | bfig | i'm trying to configure the keytools thing and i'm not sure i have everything set up right |
| 04:54.07 | schoen | bfig, try java -version |
| 04:54.29 | bfig | java version "1.7.0_03" |
| 04:54.30 | bfig | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.1.1) (7~u3-2.1.1-3) |
| 04:54.30 | bfig | OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 22.0-b10, mixed mode) |
| 04:54.56 | sney | my java is rusty, what does "EE" stand for again? |
| 04:54.59 | bfig | sorry if pasting was inappropriate but i think three lines won't hurt |
| 04:55.05 | aidalgol | sney: Embedded Edition, I think |
| 04:55.11 | sney | openjdk 7 is the standard java 7 implementation, anyway |
| 04:55.14 | fero | mmnicolas: it seems easy :) |
| 04:55.33 | bfig | ok, well, i'm trying to follow this instructions: http://docs.oracle.com/javaee/1.4/tutorial/doc/Security6.html |
| 04:55.33 | aidalgol | Or maybe it's Extended Edition... |
| 04:55.34 | fero | I haven't ever read the instructions belowdownload mirror links |
| 04:56.10 | schoen | sney, EE stands for Enterprise Edition |
| 04:56.16 | bfig | i'm having trouble following them, specifically, i don't have a clue of what this is: ...The host specified in the keystore must match the host identified in the host variable specified in the <INSTALL>/j2eetutorial14... |
| 04:56.16 | sney | right, yes |
| 04:56.21 | schoen | bfig, I'm guessing you have SE |
| 04:56.34 | bfig | the <INSTALL> path, do you know what it is? |
| 04:56.44 | schoen | hm |
| 04:56.50 | bfig | schoen, possibly, but if i can install this i don't really mind |
| 04:56.50 | sney | bfig: well, you're using openjdk, not oracle/sun java. and that howto at a glance looks like it's for Java 6 |
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| 04:56.53 | schoen | you're on Debian, yes? |
| 04:56.55 | bfig | yes |
| 04:57.02 | schoen | erm |
| 04:57.10 | bfig | i just want to set up the keytools right, and i'm having a hard time following the man |
| 04:57.20 | bfig | (ie, the lack of man) |
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| 04:58.14 | bfig | sorry, better said, the impossibility of understanding the man without knowing exactly what you want to do in programmatic terms |
| 04:58.56 | sney | you may want to go back to google and see if there's a howto for what you want to do in jdk7 |
| 04:59.04 | schoen | bfig, Any chance you could find a different tutorial? |
| 04:59.11 | schoen | this one is probably out of date |
| 04:59.32 | bfig | well, i haven't had much luck so far, but i'm looking for one |
| 04:59.39 | bfig | i figured it was a common enough problem |
| 05:00.11 | bfig | since i followed the default install by downloading packages and it didn't come automagically, i assume anyone must be able to configure it, or everyone bumps into the same problem |
| 05:00.24 | sney | don't limit yourself to oracle/sun docs, openjdk controls the standard now |
| 05:02.10 | bfig | this looks more reasonable: http://plone.lucidsolutions.co.nz/linux/java/how-to-add-a-certificate-authority-ca-certificate-to-the-openjdk-cacerts |
| 05:02.19 | bfig | it's not for debian but it should be a reasonable start |
| 05:04.14 | sney | java is pretty self-contained so it should be distro independent anyway |
| 05:04.26 | bfig | independently impossible to configure you mean? |
| 05:04.31 | bfig | :p |
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| 05:37.52 | \3TATUK | Is there an argument i can pass to iceweasel so it WON'T open a new window? (a tab instead) |
| 05:38.36 | mmnicolas | something like a "Open new windows in a new tab instead" checkbox |
| 05:40.09 | \3TATUK | hrm, that's already checked ... |
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| 05:47.24 | mmnicolas | you mean if you click again in your menu it opens a new window |
| 05:48.24 | mmnicolas | if it's your only browser you could use a url link instead of a launcher, just point it to about:blank |
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| 06:03.43 | Jaggz- | how do you see the installation scripts for a package? |
| 06:03.58 | Jaggz- | I want to see the rc.d init symlinks that are supposed to be created by a package |
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| 06:05.01 | gnarface | Jaggz-: you could just unpack it |
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| 06:05.31 | gr33n7007h | When doing this: ls | pastebinit I get this error: THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api |
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| 06:06.22 | gr33n7007h | aany ideas?? |
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| 06:09.00 | sturles | Someone have to upgrade pastebinit to use the new API. File a bug unless you want to do it yourself. |
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| 06:10.48 | stonerfish | can you do 'pastebinit -h' to verify what your default pastebin url is?\ |
| 06:11.07 | stonerfish | and version number of executable |
| 06:13.02 | gr33n7007h | thanks sorted now |
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| 06:13.29 | stonerfish | Glad I could help |
| 06:13.35 | stonerfish | ha ha |
| 06:13.58 | Diopter | Ugh. Had to turn "btcoex" (bluetooth coexistence) *off* in b43 for my bluetooth to start working again. |
| 06:14.01 | Diopter | Taht's super exciting. |
| 06:14.16 | stonerfish | So what was the problem. What did you do to fix your pastebinit |
| 06:14.31 | stonerfish | Oh gr33 is gone...never mind |
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| 06:18.34 | bigmeow | hi all |
| 06:19.03 | bigmeow | how can i find the source correspond to ps command? |
| 06:19.22 | bigmeow | is ps command provided by kernel? |
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| 06:21.11 | bfig | how can i see which authority certifies what? |
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| 06:23.13 | stonerfish | bigmeow: |
| 06:23.13 | stonerfish | if you go here http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 06:23.31 | stonerfish | you can search contents of packages |
| 06:23.53 | ksuhku | bigmeow, command ps comes from package procps |
| 06:24.00 | stonerfish | and find that /bin/ps is in the procps package |
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| 06:24.29 | ksuhku | or then you can dpkg -S /bin/ps |
| 06:24.43 | bigmeow | why i cannot run ps after i build it? |
| 06:24.51 | bigmeow | http://iyanwu.com/pastebin/showthread.php?tid=1709 |
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| 06:26.05 | stonerfish | then 'apt-get source procps' will fetch the sources |
| 06:26.23 | stonerfish | If you built it how come you don't know where the sources are? |
| 06:26.27 | bigmeow | stonerfish: i have build ps, why i cannot run it? |
| 06:26.54 | stonerfish | How did you build it? |
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| 06:26.58 | bigmeow | stonerfish: i simply use make , and succeed, but cannot run it:( |
| 06:27.00 | bigmeow | make |
| 06:27.36 | stonerfish | THen ps is in the directory you made it in. |
| 06:27.45 | stonerfish | go to that directory and type ./ps |
| 06:28.31 | bigmeow | stonerfish: yes, ./ps failed, ./ps/ps: error while loading shared libraries: libproc-3.2.8.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:29.45 | bigmeow | stonerfish: seems that lib is in the directory, but ps cannot find it? |
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| 06:30.29 | bigmeow | ./ps/ps failed, since it cannot find libproc-3.2.8.so, but libproc-3.2.8.so is here:( |
| 06:30.36 | bigmeow | http://iyanwu.com/pastebin/showthread.php?tid=1710 |
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| 06:33.24 | stonerfish | hold on a minute bigmeow |
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| 06:35.11 | stonerfish | http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/notes/rpath.html |
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| 06:35.52 | bigmeow | stonerfish: why the default value for LD_LIBRARY_PATH is empty? |
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| 06:36.28 | stonerfish | You may be able to do |
| 06:36.28 | stonerfish | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=proc ./ps |
| 06:37.00 | stonerfish | Are you using debian bigmeow? |
| 06:37.20 | bigmeow | stonerfish: yes |
| 06:38.14 | stonerfish | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=proc ./ps/ps |
| 06:38.37 | stonerfish | Forgot the ps on end |
| 06:38.51 | stonerfish | From the root of the procps sources. Does it work bigmeow |
| 06:39.09 | bigmeow | stonerfish: i am not root |
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| 06:41.10 | stonerfish | not root user. From the root of the procps source directory. |
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| 06:42.59 | stonerfish | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1140580/ |
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| 06:47.34 | stonerfish | bigmeow |
| 06:47.34 | stonerfish | The default for LD_LIBRARYPATH is empty because you should not use it. You should install your shared libraries where they go so you don't need LD_LIBRARYPATH |
| 06:47.34 | stonerfish | But because you are not root, just set your LD_LIBRARYPATH to point to where you want to save your libproc-3.2.8.so file. |
| 06:48.23 | stonerfish | If a library isn't found in LD_LIBRARYPATH then the system will look in the normal places. |
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| 06:54.02 | bfig | i have made a mess of my java install, i have several cacerts files and i'd like to make sure only one in particular is used |
| 06:54.03 | bfig | because i'm getting errors related to certificates missing and i'm almost sure it has to do with the fact that java is trying to find a certificate where none exists |
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| 06:55.56 | ompaul | bfig: I know nothing of java - but useful info for those who might help you is to tell them which java you use |
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| 06:56.20 | ompaul | lied - I know there are several types of java |
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| 06:58.07 | bfig | i just installed openjdk 1.7 |
| 06:58.26 | bfig | to be absolutely honest this certificates thing is driving me crazy |
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| 07:34.36 | iluminator105 | what file do you erase when you distro upgrade to get a new distro feel |
| 07:35.01 | iluminator105 | what file do you erase when you distro upgrade to get a new install fee |
| 07:35.09 | iluminator105 | l |
| 07:35.39 | bfig | iluminator105, the porn folder? |
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| 08:29.20 | superlinux-hp | Hi. How can I force the dependencies tree not to ask for TCL scripting language interpreter packages because I am using the one from Activestate ? |
| 08:29.31 | aes | I remember the bots here had very good answers on the topic of backports... |
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| 08:29.45 | superlinux-hp | i want it never ever ask me to install them. |
| 08:29.49 | aes | superlinux-hp, tried equivs? |
| 08:30.17 | aes | basically, it helps you built a dummy package that provides that.. |
| 08:30.19 | superlinux-hp | aes how? what are you talking about is new to me. just explain please |
| 08:30.42 | WormFood | is there a good hex editor for 32-bit debian stable, that will handle huge files (230 gig)? I've been happy with hexer in the past, but it seems to puke all over itself, with this disk image I'm working with. |
| 08:31.01 | aes | you get the equivs tool and make an empty package that provides the thing you replaced |
| 08:31.19 | aes | and by provides i mean "Provides: " |
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| 08:32.13 | superlinux-hp | aes i'll be back to you. let me understand equivs better |
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| 09:02.44 | ZTat | How can I suppress certain packages which are triggered to be installed by `aptitude -f install` ? ( Such as evolution and libevolution ... ) |
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| 09:08.22 | nkuttler | ZTat: try ignoring recommends |
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| 09:09.33 | boudiccas | what is the package thatdisplays what is happening withyour bandwidth in a terminal graphically please? |
| 09:10.37 | boudiccas | i thought it was 'iptraf' but its not that |
| 09:11.03 | ZTat | nkuttler: nvm, i just had to re purge/install them |
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| 09:26.59 | ratatata | nu |
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| 09:30.33 | boudiccas | ok, i'll try rephrasing - what is the programme that displays what is happening with your bandwidth in a graphical display in a terminal please? |
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| 10:04.14 | pozic | How can I see what the upstream URL is of a package? |
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| 10:04.32 | pozic | The documentation points to (long) dead URLs. |
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| 10:14.36 | somersb3 | hello. i am meeting NOEXEC error when running script from supervisord. +x is on, partiotion mounted as default. What can do ? |
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| 10:22.49 | Xyoo | I've recently been purging a lot of unnecessary packages and it seems I may have broken gnome's keyring status applet. (The icon that only displays when you have a keyring active) ... does anyone know specifically which package this requires? |
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| 10:24.21 | boudiccas1 | ok, i'll try rephrasing - what is the programme that displays what is happening with your bandwidth in a graphical display in a terminal please? |
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| 10:29.50 | flyinprogramer | trying do something like from command line…, grep -v 'foo' unless it contains 'bar', no idea if this is possible |
| 10:29.54 | frostschutz | boudiccas: iftop? there are several others, not sure which is best |
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| 10:30.48 | boudiccas | frostschutz: its not top, i'm already running that. the programme i'm looking for shows a graphic display in realtime of whats hapeening with your bandwidth |
| 10:31.03 | frostschutz | yes, quite |
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| 10:32.56 | boudiccas | frostschutz: thanks, i misread what you said, and it is iftop. thanks |
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| 10:34.11 | frostschutz | flyinprogramer: might be easier with awk |
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| 10:34.50 | flyinprogramer | frostschutz: was hoping not too.. |
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| 10:38.10 | frostschutz | flyinprogramer: maybe grep -vP '^((?!bar).)*foo((?!bar).)*$' |
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| 10:38.41 | Kiyiko | I am Kiyiko and I <3 my sister ^+^ |
| 10:40.18 | flyinprogramer | frostschutz: is a baby jesus |
| 10:40.24 | flyinprogramer | that totally works |
| 10:40.31 | flyinprogramer | time to go learn reg ex to understand why |
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| 10:48.14 | flyinprogramer | frostschutz: what does the ?! mean? |
| 10:48.30 | flyinprogramer | / looking for it online found me nothing, clearly i suck at searching |
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| 10:50.25 | txomon|home | which is the freezing state? |
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| 10:51.00 | txomon|home | !freeze |
| 10:51.01 | dpkg | The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>. |
| 10:51.07 | Xyoo | flyinprogramer: i think it means something akin to "not bar" ... but, /join #regex |
| 10:51.20 | Xyoo | !jessie |
| 10:51.21 | dpkg | The release following wheezy will be called "jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html |
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| 10:53.45 | mikem | hi, i'm trying to run a command that's installed with a gem on squeeze. I do `sudo gem install haddock` which provides the ha-gen binary. Once the gem is installed, I have to run it by its full path (/var/lib/gems/1.8/gems/haddock-0.2.2/bin/ha-gen) instead of simply running `ha-gen`. Is this intentional? Am I missing some setup step? I just ran `apt-get install ruby rubygems` |
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| 10:54.26 | toxa | подскажите кто нить хороший смс шлюз, чтобы можно с debian сервера смс пускать :) но чтоб хорошие цены были |
| 10:54.41 | txomon|home | how can I select between nvidia driver and nouveau driver? |
| 10:56.45 | ksuhku | !ru |
| 10:56.45 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 11:03.13 | hex20dec | Hey guys, I just installed Debian squeeze for the first time to test it out and I'm getting so many errors, it's not even funny. |
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| 11:03.21 | hex20dec | I can't install anything. |
| 11:03.52 | hex20dec | And now I updated the sources list and upgraded the packages and rebooted and now I can't even boot back up. |
| 11:03.53 | hex20dec | Help? |
| 11:04.25 | hex20dec | It hangs on this "starting nfs common utilities statd" |
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| 11:05.02 | mikem | found it, there are a bunch of wrapper scripts generated by rubygems in /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin for each gem. Adding this to the path was sufficient to get me going |
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| 11:07.18 | hex20dec | 1k+ People on this channel and no one is willing to help? |
| 11:07.51 | dutchfish | !tell hex20dec about ask |
| 11:08.20 | hex20dec | I already did dutchfish |
| 11:08.47 | abrotman | hex20dec: it won't boot at all ? |
| 11:09.11 | hex20dec | It shows me some text as if it's loading and then it hangs on "starting nfs common utilities statd" |
| 11:09.19 | abrotman | hex20dec: how long did you wait? |
| 11:09.43 | hex20dec | Until it showed me a message saying it failed and then it said "rebooting now" |
| 11:09.58 | hex20dec | I tried going into recovery mode via grub. |
| 11:10.03 | hex20dec | Same exact thing. |
| 11:10.51 | abrotman | what did you update teh sources.list to be? |
| 11:11.02 | hex20dec | I didn't touch it. |
| 11:11.11 | hex20dec | I just did apt-get update |
| 11:11.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.17 | hex20dec | And then apt-get upgrade |
| 11:11.19 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.20 | abrotman | whoops |
| 11:11.23 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.26 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.27 | abrotman | you said you updated it |
| 11:11.37 | hex20dec | Updated via apt-get update |
| 11:12.02 | hex20dec | And then apt-get upgrade |
| 11:12.17 | hex20dec | I only did it because i wasn't able to install anything. |
| 11:12.19 | abrotman | no other error messages? |
| 11:12.29 | abrotman | it just boots, then reboots .. all on its own ? |
| 11:12.42 | hex20dec | Yes. |
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| 11:13.24 | abrotman | hex20dec: does the system have anything on it ? |
| 11:13.58 | hex20dec | abrotman: Let me ask you something, since I'm very new to linux in general and now debian is brand new to me... Is it suppose to come really empty without even network availability? Because I had to set it up myself... took me a while to figure it out. |
| 11:14.12 | hex20dec | Brand new, I just installed it a few hours ago. |
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| 11:14.21 | abrotman | hex20dec: the network is a function of your hardware and possibly non-free drivers |
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| 11:14.36 | abrotman | hex20dec: care to try a fresh install ? we'll see where it may have gone wrong .. |
| 11:14.54 | abrotman | i should be around for a few hours at least, should be able to guide you most of the way |
| 11:14.58 | hex20dec | Yeah, it kept saying 'non-free'. What does that mean exacatly? |
| 11:15.02 | hex20dec | If you don't mind explaining. |
| 11:15.05 | abrotman | !tell hex20dec about non-free |
| 11:15.17 | abrotman | hex20dec: non-free means things that don't mean the DFSG guidelines |
| 11:15.25 | abrotman | policy .. not guildelines i suppose |
| 11:15.44 | hex20dec | I see. |
| 11:15.57 | hex20dec | Alright well, I guess I'll give it another go. |
| 11:16.02 | hex20dec | Oh, but before... |
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| 11:16.23 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:16.25 | hex20dec | Tell me if I evem got the right iso.. |
| 11:16.28 | hex20dec | Hold on. |
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| 11:16.31 | abrotman | oh okay |
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| 11:17.38 | hex20dec | All I did was 'getting debian' on debian.org and then download large installation images. |
| 11:17.48 | hex20dec | And then it gave me a bunch of them.. |
| 11:17.57 | hex20dec | I downloaded cd1 |
| 11:18.07 | abrotman | if you have broadband, you really only need the netinst .. but CD1 should work also |
| 11:18.13 | hex20dec | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 11:18.15 | abrotman | the real trick is the non-free bits for your network |
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| 11:19.05 | abrotman | so yes, CD1 is an okay choice for installation media |
| 11:19.20 | hex20dec | Alright so I'll run the installation again, even though the installation was really straight forward. |
| 11:19.25 | hex20dec | Even clearer than ubuntu. |
| 11:20.04 | hex20dec | And thank you for your help, I appreciate it. =] |
| 11:20.11 | abrotman | sure thing |
| 11:20.32 | hex20dec | Alright, first thing... Just install? or graphical install or Advanced... |
| 11:21.11 | boudiccas | i'd always go for the graphical install but then i like GUI's |
| 11:21.23 | abrotman | hex20dec: i use the text install .. but uh, i'm old :) |
| 11:22.02 | sawjig | well one benefit is not having to load the whole environment into ram ;P |
| 11:22.15 | abrotman | i don't generally use a mouse anyway :) |
| 11:22.16 | hex20dec | I love doing everything via shell, so I'll go with install. |
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| 11:22.20 | sawjig | text install definitely boots up more quickly |
| 11:23.09 | hex20dec | It's not even shell, haha, alright cool. |
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| 11:25.30 | hex20dec | abrotman: Alright first message: "Detect network hardware. Some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate......" |
| 11:25.30 | hex20dec | Load missing firmware from removable media? yes or no? |
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| 11:26.15 | abrotman | hex20dec: unless you have that firmware, doesn't matter .. does it tell you which files it wants? |
| 11:26.22 | abrotman | (will be useful later) |
| 11:26.28 | hex20dec | Yes, it does. |
| 11:26.42 | hex20dec | By the way, do you prefer talking here or PM? |
| 11:28.18 | abrotman | here |
| 11:28.34 | hex20dec | Alright. So you said copy the file names for later. |
| 11:28.38 | hex20dec | Correct? |
| 11:28.43 | abrotman | if i were to get hit by a bus .. on my couch .. someone else could follow the conversatoin |
| 11:29.01 | abrotman | just make a general note .. i'll guess it's an intel wifi card or e100 card .. we'll see in a bit |
| 11:29.26 | hex20dec | Huh? Lol, why in the world would that happen. |
| 11:29.31 | hex20dec | Haha |
| 11:29.44 | hex20dec | And no, it's a Linksys.. but yeah.. |
| 11:29.49 | hex20dec | Continuing. |
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| 11:34.44 | hex20dec | Oh, by the way, I also noticed something very weird. I tried to edit a file using vi command and then hitting a to edit the text and I literally wasn't able to, it kept showing letters as I tried to navigate the cursor. |
| 11:34.53 | Xyoo | What's the exact difference between evince and evince-gtk ... ? |
| 11:35.02 | hex20dec | abrotman: |
| 11:35.09 | hex20dec | ^^^ |
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| 11:35.31 | Burns | Hello |
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| 11:35.40 | abrotman | Xyoo: they have descriptions |
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| 11:35.58 | Burns | I made an upgrade of my Deb 5 webserver to 6, it went fine but i'm having an issues with uploading pictures now |
| 11:36.00 | abrotman | hex20dec: keymapping i'd guess .. i've seen it too, never bothered to figure it out |
| 11:36.13 | abrotman | uploading via what method ? |
| 11:36.43 | Burns | via apache |
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| 11:37.03 | Burns | Internal Server Error |
| 11:37.07 | Burns | That's all what I get |
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| 11:37.29 | abrotman | in the logs? |
| 11:37.52 | Xyoo | abrotman: yes, but that doesn't tell me much: "This version of evince is built without GConf and GNOME keyring support." |
| 11:38.00 | hex20dec | abrotman: Use network mirror? |
| 11:38.24 | abrotman | hex20dec: say no for now, we'll take care of that later |
| 11:38.32 | Burns | http://pastebin.com/Ef0v3cFQ |
| 11:38.34 | abrotman | Xyoo: do you use gnome ? |
| 11:39.00 | ratatata | nu |
| 11:39.13 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:39.23 | abrotman | Burns: are you sure you finished updating your syste m? |
| 11:39.39 | abrotman | Xyoo: and asking both networks is considered somewhat inconsiderate |
| 11:39.43 | Burns | normally yes |
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| 11:40.29 | abrotman | Burns: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade .. does it want to install packages? |
| 11:40.34 | Xyoo | abrotman: yes, i do use gnome, but i still don't get what gconf/keyring support is ... |
| 11:41.00 | Burns | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 11:41.05 | hex20dec | abrotman: Now it asks me choose software to install... Graphical, web server, dns server, etc. As of now Graphical, Laptop and Standard system utilities are checked. Do I need anything else? |
| 11:41.08 | abrotman | Xyoo: think of gconf like your settings DB .. the keyring is something that stores passwords, and allows access to some resources .. not sure why evince would need that anyway |
| 11:41.16 | abrotman | hex20dec: should be enough |
| 11:41.24 | abrotman | hex20dec: oh, you may want the ssh server |
| 11:41.33 | hex20dec | Too late. |
| 11:41.34 | hex20dec | Grr |
| 11:41.34 | hex20dec | Lol |
| 11:41.36 | Xyoo | abrotman: exactly why i ask :/ |
| 11:41.38 | hex20dec | I clicked netxt already |
| 11:41.39 | abrotman | not a big deal |
| 11:41.47 | abrotman | Xyoo: doesn't mean i know what the feature is! |
| 11:41.48 | hex20dec | Alright. |
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| 11:43.08 | cardamon | hex20dec: It's tasksel that does that part. You can run it again later, or just install openssh manually. |
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| 11:43.18 | cardamon | That's all it really is. |
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| 11:44.06 | hex20dec | I'm not too worried about the ssh, but thanks. |
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| 11:48.29 | hex20dec | abrotman: Since you said you didn't figure out the vi thing, what do you use to edit files? |
| 11:48.38 | hex20dec | I now need a replacement for my good ol' vi. |
| 11:48.42 | abrotman | hex20dec: i use vi, i just hit escape .. |
| 11:48.48 | abrotman | we'll install vim-full also |
| 11:48.55 | hex20dec | Alright. |
| 11:49.34 | hex20dec | Should I install the Grub on the MBR? |
| 11:49.37 | abrotman | yes please |
| 11:50.21 | hex20dec | Alright, booting up. |
| 11:50.33 | abrotman | hopefully? :) |
| 11:50.52 | dageng | I did something really stupid while upgrading my mdadm raid 6 from 1.5TB disks to 3TB disks. I failed, removed and replaced one by one drive until I had replaced all six drives in the array. I then grew the array (I thought). mdadm -D told me "Used dev Size: -1". I then figured out my array metadata version was 0.90, which doesn't support drives bigger than 2TB. I therefore tried to recreate the array following the instructions given in post #2, here |
| 11:51.16 | dageng | After that I didn't see the lvm partitions I have/had on the array. I was able to see them again after following the instructions in this guide: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/mdatarecover.html However, I'm unable to mount my lvm partitions now. fsck tells me the superblock is bad, magic number etc... I've tried to recover these partitions following several guides, but none have worked. |
| 11:51.23 | Burns | is there a way to undo a package update ? :/ |
| 11:51.23 | hex20dec | Well, it did work last time as well, just most of the things didn't work. |
| 11:51.29 | hex20dec | Anyways, I'm up and running. |
| 11:51.32 | abrotman | Burns: you can try to downgrade |
| 11:51.43 | abrotman | hex20dec: okay .. so yo uhave some network? |
| 11:51.43 | dageng | I'm wondering if it would be possible - and safe - to reassemble the old array from the old drives. The drives were taken out of the array at different times, so dmesg is currently saying: md: kicking non-fresh sdd1 from array! |
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| 11:51.51 | Burns | Please, how ? |
| 11:51.53 | abrotman | hex20dec: from your wired connection ? |
| 11:51.54 | dageng | Would it be safe to assemble with -f? There was written data to the disks while they replaced. I can live with the loss of the most recent data, but I hope there is a way that I can get my older data back. |
| 11:52.06 | abrotman | Burns: it's not recommended, especially not to go to the lenny version |
| 11:52.07 | hex20dec | I have both, but connected the wire now. |
| 11:52.12 | hex20dec | Hold on. |
| 11:52.12 | hex20dec | Testing. |
| 11:52.25 | hex20dec | Yeah, network works. |
| 11:52.26 | hex20dec | =D |
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| 11:52.28 | Burns | I'm willing to downgrade php, I just made an update and it broke my site |
| 11:52.44 | abrotman | !tell Burns about downgrade |
| 11:53.03 | abrotman | Burns: you sohuld probably fix the code instead of downgradin gthe app |
| 11:53.08 | abrotman | hex20dec: okay, so let's fix your sources.list |
| 11:53.14 | abrotman | hex20dec: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
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| 11:53.41 | abrotman | hex20dec: and when you add those, ensure you add " contrib non-free" to the end of each line" |
| 11:54.56 | hex20dec | I'm sorry, I lost you there. |
| 11:54.57 | hex20dec | I opened the sources.list, now what? |
| 11:55.08 | abrotman | dpkg: tell hex20dec about squeeze sources.list |
| 11:55.26 | abrotman | hex20dec: the bot told you about two lines to add .. add those, plus append " contrib non-free" to each of those lines |
| 11:55.28 | hex20dec | You sure do love using the dpkg tell function here. |
| 11:55.41 | abrotman | better than flooding the channel |
| 11:55.45 | hex20dec | True. |
| 11:55.49 | nevyn | we'd wear our fingers down to stubs otherwise |
| 11:55.59 | abrotman | nevyn: you still have fingers?! |
| 11:56.16 | nevyn | yeah the neural interface arrives next week |
| 11:56.22 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 12:02.20 | hex20dec | abrotman: Should I run "aptitude update" like dpkg said? |
| 12:02.26 | abrotman | yes please |
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| 12:03.45 | hex20dec | Is there a device manager so I can install my wireless card? |
| 12:03.46 | hex20dec | Or.. How does it work? Sorry again, I'm still very new to linux as I said before. |
| 12:03.52 | abrotman | it's okay ... |
| 12:03.59 | abrotman | hex20dec: did you make a note of which files it said were missing ? |
| 12:04.06 | hex20dec | I did. |
| 12:04.12 | Burns | If I update only php and not apache2 that might be the problem ? |
| 12:04.17 | abrotman | hex20dec: so let's show you how to find that file .. |
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| 12:04.32 | abrotman | hex20dec: aptitude update;aptitude install apt-file;apt-file search <file it told you> |
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| 12:04.41 | abrotman | Burns: where did you get your PHP ? |
| 12:04.54 | Burns | dotdeb |
| 12:05.00 | abrotman | good luck with that |
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| 12:05.11 | abrotman | those packages are generally considered of hte lowest quality available |
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| 12:05.20 | Burns | i'm getting it off now |
| 12:05.26 | abrotman | we strongly recommmend against ever using them |
| 12:06.09 | _SKiTZO | I installed squeeze amd64 yesterday and everything worked great. However i rebooted today and suddenly i am dropped in a shell at boot. it complains that my root cannot be found by uuid. First I tought that was because grub/the kernel would be confused since i removed the USBkey i installed from. |
| 12:06.39 | _SKiTZO | after trying some more things i am now officially stumped |
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| 12:07.04 | abrotman | _SKiTZO: anything special about your setup? lvm? raid? crpyto ?\ |
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| 12:07.39 | _SKiTZO | abrotman: yes software raid5 but not for the root partition. actually i plugged out all my raid disks while debugging this |
| 12:07.40 | hex20dec | abrotman: Before installing those 2 files it told me about, how can I check if my wifi card works? |
| 12:07.53 | abrotman | hex20dec: it likely won't work without those files |
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| 12:08.10 | _SKiTZO | the raid would be mounted under /mnt/data |
| 12:08.11 | hex20dec | It does show up in ifconfig -a |
| 12:08.17 | hex20dec | Should it/ |
| 12:08.18 | hex20dec | ? |
| 12:08.27 | abrotman | hex20dec: depends on the driver .. but you can try to configure it |
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| 12:09.19 | hex20dec | Is there a software to search for available networks? |
| 12:09.21 | hex20dec | Or... |
| 12:09.30 | abrotman | in a GUI ? |
| 12:09.34 | hex20dec | Any. |
| 12:09.40 | hex20dec | Or is it built it? |
| 12:09.55 | hex20dec | I don't even know what to ask.. since I don't know what is available. |
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| 12:10.36 | abrotman | hex20dec: iwlist <interface> scanning |
| 12:10.43 | abrotman | see yours ? |
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| 12:12.02 | hex20dec | Uhmm It says unknown command wlan0 |
| 12:12.07 | hex20dec | But I do see wlan0 |
| 12:12.32 | abrotman | ifup wlan0 ? |
| 12:12.46 | hex20dec | Oh yeah, I have to turn it on. |
| 12:13.00 | abrotman | generally helps? :) |
| 12:13.02 | Burns | Thanks abrotman, downgrading fixed it |
| 12:13.13 | abrotman | downgrading what to what? |
| 12:13.21 | hex20dec | Yeah, I probably have to install it because it says "ignoring unknown interface" |
| 12:13.23 | abrotman | oh, removing the dotdeb packages? |
| 12:13.31 | _SKiTZO | the problem is that for some reason the kernel cant find my root drive by uuid or label. (i tried both) |
| 12:13.33 | hex20dec | Which means it can't recognize it, i'm assuming. |
| 12:13.45 | abrotman | hex20dec: it's not configured .. you'd have to put it in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 12:13.53 | hex20dec | Oh |
| 12:13.56 | _SKiTZO | i am wondering if this could be caused by lack of drivers in initrd |
| 12:14.10 | hex20dec | I still didn't install those 2 files just so you know. |
| 12:14.11 | abrotman | _SKiTZO: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 12:14.18 | abrotman | hex20dec: you can install them .. they may help |
| 12:14.31 | _SKiTZO | no kernel is standard, but i selected not to have a "general initrd" |
| 12:14.35 | hex20dec | I just want to see if I even need them first. |
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| 12:14.43 | abrotman | _SKiTZO: selected ? |
| 12:14.46 | abrotman | hex20dec: okay .. |
| 12:14.59 | abrotman | hex20dec: so you can configure it in the GUI or in your interfaces file |
| 12:15.06 | _SKiTZO | yes mini.iso asks during install if i wanted to have a general initrd or a "compact" one |
| 12:15.14 | _SKiTZO | cant remember exactly the wording used |
| 12:15.28 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 12:16.10 | _SKiTZO | I think ill make a new initrd with all drivers |
| 12:16.45 | hex20dec | By the way, I'm using gedit to edit files now, but when I type gedit <filename> I see massive amount of lines of errors and then the file opens in gedit just fine. |
| 12:16.53 | hex20dec | Am I suppose to see that? |
| 12:17.12 | abrotman | in which file ? |
| 12:17.16 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 12:17.18 | hex20dec | In the terminal |
| 12:17.19 | abrotman | you're in a GUI .. |
| 12:17.28 | abrotman | it's possible .. they're probably warnings, not errors |
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| 12:18.45 | hex20dec | "GConf Error: Failed to contact configuration server;" |
| 12:18.49 | hex20dec | And a lot more. |
| 12:19.04 | Burns | abrotman from dotdeb to squeeze version |
| 12:19.27 | hex20dec | I'm just a bit weirded out since I didn't expect that many problems right upon install. |
| 12:19.32 | abrotman | Burns: ah, good plan |
| 12:19.47 | abrotman | hex20dec: ah, not a big deal for now .. we'll see what we can do about it in a bit .. let's get the wifi going |
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| 12:22.20 | hex20dec | After adding: |
| 12:22.20 | hex20dec | allow-hotplug wlan0 |
| 12:22.20 | hex20dec | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 12:22.20 | hex20dec | Do I need to restart any service? |
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| 12:22.47 | abrotman | whoops ... |
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| 12:23.20 | abrotman | hex20dec: shuldn't have to, you sohuld just bve able to 'ifup wlan0' if it works |
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| 12:24.27 | hex20dec | Alright, right after I typed ifup wlan0 it started sending packets. |
| 12:24.33 | hex20dec | And then saying network is down |
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| 12:25.26 | hex20dec | The iwlist wlan0 still says unknown command wlan0 |
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| 12:25.39 | abrotman | "iwlist wlan0 scanning" |
| 12:26.19 | hex20dec | "interface doesn't support scanning: network is down" |
| 12:26.26 | hex20dec | Is it time to install the files yet? |
| 12:26.27 | hex20dec | Lol |
| 12:26.44 | abrotman | probably |
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| 12:36.13 | abrotman | hex20dec: how's it going ? |
| 12:37.35 | hex20dec | Well, it still says that wlan0 interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 12:38.01 | hex20dec | I did what you told me, apt-file search <file> |
| 12:38.03 | abrotman | did you reboot the box after installing the firmware ? |
| 12:38.07 | hex20dec | And it didn't return anything. |
| 12:38.09 | abrotman | you have to install the package it tells you to :) |
| 12:38.19 | abrotman | hex20dec: lspci -nn .. what is the wireless device ? |
| 12:38.43 | hex20dec | lspci?? What? |
| 12:38.50 | abrotman | it's a command :) |
| 12:38.58 | abrotman | "lspci -nn" .. it will show informatoin |
| 12:39.02 | hex20dec | Okay hold on. |
| 12:39.31 | hex20dec | Too much to type, but what do you want to know here? |
| 12:40.24 | abrotman | hex20dec: only need the line with the wireless device |
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| 12:41.59 | hex20dec | Broadcom coroporation bcm4318 Airforce one 54g 802.11 wirelesslan controller.... |
| 12:42.06 | hex20dec | abrotman: |
| 12:42.43 | abrotman | oh, yeah .. you definitely need firmware |
| 12:43.02 | abrotman | !tell hex20dec about bcm4318 |
| 12:43.11 | abrotman | you'll have to start with at least the b43-fwcutter |
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| 12:44.24 | hex20dec | May I pm you? |
| 12:44.34 | abrotman | i'd prefer you keep it here unless it's sensitive information |
| 12:44.46 | babilen | Doesn't firmware-b43-installer install the firmware automagically? (assuming that is the correct firmware) |
| 12:45.09 | hex20dec | Not sensitive, but I don't know if it's suitable here. |
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| 12:45.54 | abrotman | is it related to your Debian install ? |
| 12:45.58 | hex20dec | It is. |
| 12:45.59 | hex20dec | Well.. |
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| 12:46.18 | abrotman | babilen: you have to install that package though |
| 12:46.44 | abrotman | ah .. i see, it's a wrapper |
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| 12:48.31 | wkhan113 | Hi. When will debian 7 be released. Is there a expected schedule? |
| 12:48.43 | abrotman | no schedule, when RC bugs reach 0 |
| 12:48.57 | wkhan113 | What are rc bugs |
| 12:49.00 | abrotman | wkhan113: we could guess .. 6-7 months |
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| 12:49.24 | abrotman | release-critical bugs |
| 12:49.32 | wkhan113 | abrotman: kewl. Thanks |
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| 12:50.27 | abrotman | hex20dec: how's it going ? |
| 12:50.27 | hex20dec | abrotman: Sorry for the long story... So, I been wanting to try Debian for quite a while now and I just got a better reason to try it, I want to try aircrack, to see how it works. |
| 12:50.27 | hex20dec | So.. I don't know if you would happen to know, but if I install the driver, would it somehow affect negatively with the card sniffing packets? I'm only concerned because I read yesterday that a guy updated his card and wasn't able to do it anymore. |
| 12:50.30 | abrotman | whoa |
| 12:50.44 | abrotman | hex20dec: i don't think all drivers support using aircrack anyway |
| 12:51.03 | hex20dec | http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=broadcom |
| 12:51.07 | hex20dec | My card support it. |
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| 12:51.21 | abrotman | okay .. but AFAIK, you'll need that firmware to make the card work at all ... |
| 12:51.37 | hex20dec | That's all I needed to know. |
| 12:51.40 | hex20dec | Thank you. |
| 12:51.53 | hex20dec | Now, how do I get that file? |
| 12:51.54 | hex20dec | =P |
| 12:52.03 | hex20dec | Oh wait you linked me. |
| 12:52.12 | abrotman | the bot told oyu to install the firmware-b43-installer package |
| 12:55.12 | hex20dec | abrotman: Uh oh. |
| 12:55.37 | hex20dec | Nevermind. |
| 12:55.42 | abrotman | ? |
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| 12:58.09 | hex20dec | abrotman: Lol, sorry, I misread something. |
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| 12:58.18 | abrotman | okay |
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| 13:00.47 | hex20dec | abrotman: After installing firmware-b43-installer |
| 13:00.51 | hex20dec | Should I reboot? |
| 13:01.04 | abrotman | yessir |
| 13:01.08 | abrotman | or ma'am |
| 13:01.24 | hex20dec | Guess. |
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| 13:01.35 | Kiyiko | :/ |
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| 13:02.02 | wkhan113 | :\ |
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| 13:02.35 | hex20dec | Why isn't sudo working either |
| 13:02.36 | hex20dec | Gr |
| 13:02.40 | hex20dec | Nothing works on debian. |
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| 13:03.19 | jelly-home | noooooo <g> |
| 13:03.28 | krababbel | hey |
| 13:03.43 | abrotman | hex20dec: it has to be configured .. we generally use su |
| 13:03.53 | hex20dec | Yeah, I use it now as well. |
| 13:04.03 | abrotman | you can configure sudo later |
| 13:04.04 | hex20dec | Alright, so I got iwlist wlan0 scanning to work. |
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| 13:04.12 | hex20dec | Nah, I don't need it. |
| 13:04.15 | hex20dec | But hanks. |
| 13:04.18 | hex20dec | Thanks. |
| 13:04.50 | hex20dec | Debian is like a naked verion of ubuntu |
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| 13:04.55 | hex20dec | version8 |
| 13:04.57 | hex20dec | * |
| 13:05.20 | abrotman | hex20dec: do you want to use gnome? or osmething else? |
| 13:05.31 | boudiccas | hex20dec: debian is more solid and stable than ubuntu |
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| 13:05.40 | hex20dec | That is why I switched. |
| 13:05.49 | hex20dec | I will get the hang of it. |
| 13:05.50 | hex20dec | =] |
| 13:05.58 | wkhan113 | Don't compare debian and ubuntu... |
| 13:06.05 | hex20dec | Lol, sorry guys. |
| 13:06.10 | abrotman | hex20dec: the wiki has a ton of useful info |
| 13:06.26 | abrotman | hex20dec: anyway .. what's left to do here? |
| 13:06.37 | abrotman | hex20dec: did you install vim-full ? did you install the 'gnome' package? |
| 13:06.39 | hex20dec | How do I scan for networks in general? |
| 13:07.01 | abrotman | hex20dec: with a GUI ? or CLI ? |
| 13:07.06 | hex20dec | Both |
| 13:07.14 | abrotman | CLI, you already know |
| 13:07.29 | hex20dec | iwlist wlan0 scanning? |
| 13:07.30 | abrotman | GUI, you'd probably install something like wicd, wifiradar, or network-manager-gnome |
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| 13:08.29 | wkhan113 | Debian 7 will release with 3.2 kernel. Yes! Sorry had to show some emotion |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | wkhan113: you can check versions of every package at packages.debian.org |
| 13:09.08 | abrotman | but yes, it will have a 3.2 kenrel |
| 13:09.20 | wkhan113 | I'm soo happy about that |
| 13:09.22 | wkhan113 | lol |
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| 13:14.03 | hex20dec | abrotman: You said: |
| 13:14.03 | hex20dec | >did you install the 'gnome' package? What do you mean? How do I install that? |
| 13:14.27 | untrusted | testing beta installer |
| 13:14.34 | hex20dec | And thanks a lot, almost everything works now. |
| 13:14.38 | hex20dec | =DDD |
| 13:15.01 | untrusted | thought default desktop was switched to xfce? |
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| 13:15.19 | abrotman | hex20dec: aptitude install gnome |
| 13:15.33 | abrotman | untrusted: that's later, and that just means the "Desktop" task in tasksel |
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| 13:16.17 | untrusted | abrotman: ok, just seeing installer installing lots of gnome packages using the defaults... |
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| 13:16.55 | abrotman | untrusted: yes, with squeeze, that's the case |
| 13:17.17 | untrusted | abrotman: no, using the beta wheezy installer |
| 13:17.19 | AndChat42681 | Hey all :D |
| 13:17.20 | wkhan113 | Untrusted: I hope gnome is kept as default |
| 13:17.36 | abrotman | untrusted: oh, may not have migrated to testing yet |
| 13:17.44 | abrotman | wkhan113: just skip tasksel, install whatever you'd like |
| 13:18.59 | wkhan113 | Hardware support should be better with the new kernel. The amount of times I have to back port the 3.2 kernel on squeeze is damming! |
| 13:19.12 | abrotman | wkhan113: try backports.debian.org |
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| 13:19.38 | wkhan113 | Yes. That's where I get it. |
| 13:19.55 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 13:20.10 | wkhan113 | Abrotman: thanks. :D |
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| 13:21.09 | wkhan113 | Sorry, I see how I worded that incorrectly. |
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| 13:21.36 | wkhan113 | Luckily I don't have to backport anything. That's a pain. |
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| 13:22.04 | untrusted | test install using beta installer in kvm/libvirt/via virt-manager worked fine, default desktop was gnome3, on login fallback mode was used, all-in-all nice and easy :-) |
| 13:23.53 | untrusted | is there some virtual graphics card in kvm/qemu suitable for gnome3? |
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| 13:25.12 | hex20dec | abrotman: Thank you so so very much for your help and patience. =] |
| 13:25.13 | hex20dec | Have a great day / night wherever you are. |
| 13:25.31 | abrotman | hex20dec: everything working okay? |
| 13:25.41 | hex20dec | Installing gnome now. |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 13:25.47 | hex20dec | But seems to be working fine. |
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| 13:27.29 | untrusted | hmm maybe qxl and spice ... not today |
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| 13:31.12 | intuxicated | hi |
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| 13:32.01 | intuxicated | i just install debian testing without any error, why i don't have gnome ? did i need to install gnome first ? |
| 13:32.29 | Calinou | intuxicated, did you use netinst, or CD1? |
| 13:32.39 | Calinou | did you check the "graphical desktop environment" checkbox in task selection? |
| 13:32.42 | intuxicated | Calinou: cd |
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| 13:32.56 | intuxicated | i think yes |
| 13:33.04 | Calinou | then install it by hand: log in as root, sudo apt-get install gnome |
| 13:33.23 | Calinou | (note that testing uses gnome 3; you might try Xfce if you don't like gnome 3) |
| 13:33.48 | abrotman | intuxicated: aptitude install gnome |
| 13:34.06 | abrotman | and probably gdm3 and probably xorg |
| 13:34.10 | intuxicated | package gnome is not available |
| 13:34.13 | intuxicated | :-/ |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome |
| 13:34.27 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.0+9; sid: 1:3.4+1 |
| 13:34.29 | Calinou | apt-get === aptitude, you know? |
| 13:34.34 | abrotman | Calinou: stop |
| 13:34.36 | Calinou | xorg is a dependancy of gnome, no? |
| 13:34.42 | Calinou | so no need to type one more line |
| 13:34.44 | intuxicated | yeah i know |
| 13:34.56 | abrotman | intuxicated: plesae pastebin your sources.list |
| 13:35.05 | intuxicated | hm |
| 13:35.05 | abrotman | Calinou: you can type it on one line |
| 13:35.11 | jelly-home | Calinou: xorg is not a dependency of gnome. |
| 13:35.15 | Calinou | O_o why? |
| 13:35.22 | abrotman | why would it be? |
| 13:35.28 | intuxicated | i didn't connect my laptop to internet :-/ |
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| 13:35.31 | abrotman | dpkg: tell intuxicated about wheezy sources.list |
| 13:35.57 | Calinou | gnome is a DE = graphical stuff = it needs xorg |
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| 13:36.10 | abrotman | no, it doesn't |
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| 13:36.25 | nandy | can aircrack-ng make it somehow into wheezy? would be really great... |
| 13:36.40 | abrotman | nandy: did you look for an RFP or ITP ? |
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| 13:36.51 | ceil | wheezy dropped gnome as default desktop, t's a good enough change for me :D |
| 13:37.04 | abrotman | ... |
| 13:37.28 | abrotman | nandy: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=626489 .. not likely |
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| 13:38.45 | sneex | whats the deal with the weeklies? are they ever gonna fix the packager? |
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| 13:39.14 | abrotman | sneex: did you submit a patch? |
| 13:39.50 | sneex | no, I'm not sure why they break :P |
| 13:39.57 | abrotman | sneex: have you tried beta1 ? |
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| 13:40.33 | sneex | what url? brb |
| 13:42.07 | Calinou | sneex, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:42.27 | nandy | abrotman: according to packages.qa.debian.org/a/aircrack-ng.html it has only one (minor) bug. |
| 13:42.51 | sneex | this what I would try: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta1/kfreebsd-i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 13:42.59 | Calinou | why kfreebsd? are you serious? |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | nandy: weird there's an ITP for it |
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| 13:43.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's been absent from the archive for a bit, probably someone forgot to close the ITP |
| 13:44.08 | abrotman | nandy: it has mor than that .. not sure why it's not in testing |
| 13:44.12 | ceil | Calinou: maybe he wants ZFS? :o |
| 13:44.45 | jelly-home | dpkg, why is aircrack-ng not in testing |
| 13:44.45 | dpkg | aircrack-ng is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=aircrack-ng |
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| 13:45.24 | nandy | abrotman: packages.qa.debian.org/a/aircrack-ng.html |
| 13:46.00 | jelly-home | nandy: eh, looks like it just missed the before-freeze window |
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| 13:46.20 | jelly-home | it might get into wheezy given a nudge |
| 13:46.40 | sneex | I was openbsd for a long time :P |
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| 13:47.00 | sneex | just an unhappy linux person ] |
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| 13:47.08 | abrotman | oh, nmisread the bug title |
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| 13:48.14 | nandy | jelly-home: aren't there several freeze phases of different gravity? |
| 13:48.39 | jelly-home | I believe there are, yes |
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| 13:49.01 | abrotman | nandy: but it's entered freeze .. the ftp master wuld have to give it a nudge |
| 13:50.27 | jelly-home | next obvious question: how to ask the ftpmasters to do that |
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| 13:51.17 | abrotman | maybe http://release.debian.org/britney/hints/README ? |
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| 13:51.21 | nandy | abrotman, jelly-home: and, is it enough to wink in a friendly manner? |
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| 13:52.13 | zapPing | hi |
| 13:53.29 | zapPing | if i install debian stable on a partition and then i use dd to dump that partition on /dev/sdb (usb stick) will i be able to boot that system via USB ? |
| 13:53.54 | krababbel | I am trying to restrict iptables to let only DNS queries through which go to my ISP's servers. It blocks nslookups to those servers then too though. I only added these rules to iptables: http://pastebin.com/qK1tSynL |
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| 13:55.42 | krababbel | I forgot to include two lines dns1ip="195.3.96.67" and dns2ip="213.33.98.136" in the paste |
| 13:56.11 | zapPing | krababbel: ok, so what's the problem? that iptables config seems ok to me. |
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| 13:56.25 | garo | links, links2, elinks, lynx, (some other text browser i don't know)... |
| 13:56.42 | krababbel | zapPing: I can't resolve DNS with it, when I remove the rules, DNS works agagin |
| 13:56.45 | garo | Which projects are dead and which one is the most complete ? |
| 13:56.49 | boudiccas | so? |
| 13:56.54 | wonderworld | garo: w3m |
| 13:57.06 | garo | ncurses support ? |
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| 13:57.33 | krababbel | zapPing: those two servers are in my resolv.conf too |
| 13:57.35 | zapPing | krababbel: maybe the first line implies that you can only use one dns server. (in fact you disallow every dns request that is not being sent to dns1ip) |
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| 13:57.56 | krababbel | zapPing: of course, didn't get that |
| 13:58.36 | wonderworld | garo: no i thin it doesn't use ncurses |
| 13:58.58 | zapPing | krababbel: problem is that the line of dns2ip disallow all the ip != dns2ip, so it disables dns1ip as well. So at the end you have disabled every dns connection. |
| 13:58.59 | krababbel | zapPing: and since tcp is the first blocked, it usually wont work, thanks! |
| 13:59.13 | nandy_ | abrotman, jelly-home: how to contact the ftpmaster? |
| 13:59.22 | jelly-home | I have no idea! |
| 13:59.27 | zapPing | krababbel: usually dns is via udp. |
| 13:59.49 | krababbel | yes, just for big packets, I read that just yesterday :) |
| 13:59.51 | garo | i hope it's not using framebuffer |
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| 14:00.09 | krababbel | i mean tcp is used just for big packets |
| 14:00.16 | zapPing | krababbel: you have to avoid using things like "disable all traffic that is not directed to ip1 and than disable all traffic not directed to ip2" |
| 14:00.23 | garo | i'm searching for a browser that would work on system's with only a 80x25 display |
| 14:00.24 | wonderworld | garo: no it doesn't.. it's like lync with slightly better rendering |
| 14:00.51 | garo | k, thanks |
| 14:00.52 | zapPing | krababbel: is is better to use a single rule like "disable all traffic that is neither ip1 and ip2" |
| 14:00.53 | krababbel | zapPing: I will rewrite the script, missed that completely somehow :) |
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| 14:01.40 | krababbel | zapPing: if I add add the second ip to the same rule, this means and? How to tell iptables AND, OR? |
| 14:01.43 | zapPing | krababbel: i dont know how to write such a rule. but maybe you can find something helpful in the iptables man pages or in #netfilter channel :) |
| 14:01.53 | krababbel | OK thanks zapPing |
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| 14:03.20 | zapPing | krababbel: exactly, you need an AND. (and i dont know how to do that) . you need something like "disallow traffic if destination is (NOT ip1) AND (NOT ip2)" or "if destination is NOT (ip1 OR ip2) |
| 14:03.24 | zapPing | " |
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| 14:04.04 | wonderworld | krababbel: you could also use dnsmasq to setup your own local dns....would improve lookup times as well |
| 14:04.08 | cm13g09 | krababbel: So you're looking for Allow traffic if destination is X or Y? |
| 14:04.13 | krababbel | zapPing: I guess I can add those rules as ACCEPT, than REJECT all ather IPs |
| 14:04.33 | cm13g09 | krababbel: that would be my way to implement those rules |
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| 14:04.40 | zapPing | krababbel: yes, maybe it 'll works. |
| 14:04.46 | krababbel | cm13g09: OK :) |
| 14:05.02 | krababbel | it should, I have some similar rules in there in another part |
| 14:05.54 | krababbel | wonderworld: I wanted to setup my own server but still I would want to limit that server to my ISP's DNS servers. :) |
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| 14:08.01 | wonderworld | krababbel: if you trust the services on your server, you could just allow 127.0.0.1 do access all external services and block 53 for the rest of your LAN |
| 14:08.22 | zapPing | if i install debian on a partition and then i use dd to dump that partition on /dev/sdb (usb stick) will i be able to boot that system via USB ? |
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| 14:08.40 | sneex | no |
| 14:08.53 | zapPing | sneex: why? what is missing? |
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| 14:09.10 | sneex | drive layout isnt same -- try it |
| 14:09.20 | wonderworld | zapPing: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
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| 14:09.40 | zapPing | sneex: but if i do the same using a CD iso file it works.. o.O |
| 14:09.41 | sharky2 | hi folks i have noticed something very strange to me, vi changes the owner of the from root to myuser without having permissions, how is that possible: take a look at: http://paste.debian.net/183145/ |
| 14:10.16 | zapPing | wonderworld: thanks. |
| 14:10.23 | sneex | lol yes; cause the installer picks correct layout -- it will vary for a usb to usb -- just try it dide jeez |
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| 14:10.43 | sharky2 | can someone please explain that, in vi i just save with :w! and it does the job |
| 14:10.56 | sneex | ! forces it |
| 14:11.09 | sharky2 | when i open it it says [read-only file] |
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| 14:11.14 | sneex | yes |
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| 14:11.21 | sneex | ! is a force |
| 14:11.41 | abrotman | sharky2: ld -ld ~/documents/ |
| 14:11.54 | sharky2 | sneex, ! it is force but how non privileged user overwrites file that is owned by root |
| 14:12.12 | sneex | see what abrotman wrote :P |
| 14:12.13 | krababbel | zapPing: for ISO, BIOS has compatibity mode I think |
| 14:12.55 | krababbel | zapPing: otherwise, partition table is different, so no boot |
| 14:13.11 | zapPing | krababbel: and that mode doesnt work with ext3 partition on usb? |
| 14:13.24 | zapPing | ah, ok |
| 14:13.42 | sharky2 | abchirk, i got ld: cannot find -ld |
| 14:13.51 | sharky2 | abchirk, ops sorry |
| 14:13.51 | krababbel | no, it is only to simulate a CD with iso files, some small new PCs don't have CDROMS anymore :) |
| 14:13.56 | abrotman | sharky2: ls -ld .. sorry |
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| 14:14.00 | sharky2 | abrotman, i got ld: cannot find -ld |
| 14:14.08 | zapPing | So all i need is to create an iso file containing the partition files and then dump the iso on the usb, right? |
| 14:14.09 | sneex | abrotman: he b speakie to you |
| 14:14.18 | sharky2 | abrotman, ok just a sec |
| 14:14.40 | abrotman | sneex: i don't need an interpreter .. |
| 14:14.47 | sneex | :P |
| 14:15.13 | krababbel | zapPing: I thinks so, with common tools you would need to fool them that they are creating an iso for a cd, then copy that to usb, yes |
| 14:15.18 | sharky2 | abrotman, drwxr-xr-x 7 myuser myuser 4096 Aug 11 16:13 /home/myuser/documents/ |
| 14:15.58 | abrotman | okay then ... |
| 14:16.11 | sharky2 | abrotman, and myuser is not in sudoers |
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| 14:16.56 | krababbel | zapPing: but another way would be to take the files and reinstall GRUB for example to the USB, so it recreates the entries for the partition table on the USB, so Debian can boot again. But I never did that, just guessing. |
| 14:17.36 | krababbel | zapPing: like doing a grub recovery for the USB |
| 14:18.16 | krababbel | zapPing: if on the original system grub was inatlled in the MBR, it should work, I thin |
| 14:18.58 | zapPing | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-via-grub2-using-linux/ <--- found it. it could also use multiple iso files! |
| 14:19.00 | sneex | zapPing: you can get a usb to boot if you install dvd/cd installer -- boot off the installer and pick the usb drive as target, make sure grub installs to USB not local hard drive |
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| 14:20.18 | zapPing | sneex: you mean that debian netinstall cd will use the usb stick as if it was a normal hard disk? |
| 14:20.38 | sneex | yes |
| 14:20.46 | zapPing | good. |
| 14:20.50 | sneex | just make sure of grub targets |
| 14:20.51 | zapPing | thanks @ * |
| 14:21.14 | DFrostedWang | is shutting down |
| 14:21.24 | zapPing | yes, to be sure i'll physically unmount the hard disk :) |
| 14:21.35 | sneex | I would :) |
| 14:21.49 | sneex | its a bios thing :P |
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| 14:23.14 | sharky2 | abrotman, are you here |
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| 14:27.42 | abrotman | sure |
| 14:27.54 | abrotman | sharky2: that was my idea .. you may have to use something to trace it |
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| 14:29.14 | sharky2 | abrotman, i just test it in another virtualmachine again with debian, but lxde X and it is not possible to alter the file with normal user |
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| 14:30.13 | sharky2 | abrotman, it happens in inux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux with kde 4.5 |
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| 14:31.01 | sharky2 | abrotman, what is the best way to trace it |
| 14:31.11 | sharky2 | abrotman, if you have some suggestions |
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| 14:33.25 | jelly-home | sharky2: this is normal. vi likely creates a new file at saving time and tries to transfer the permissions and ownerships but fails |
| 14:34.40 | jelly-home | sharky2: you can stat or ls -i the file to see it has a different inode number before and after vi -- that is, it's not the same file |
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| 14:35.32 | sharky2 | jelly-home, i think vi should not be able to change the permissions of the file, but it does |
| 14:36.00 | jelly-home | sharky2: I'm saying it does not change the permissions, but probably replaces the whole file. |
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| 14:37.01 | sharky2 | jelly-home, i see, but how it deletes it, it has only read rights? |
| 14:37.32 | jelly-home | sharky2: file permissions do not matter for deletion, directory permissions do. |
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| 14:37.40 | sharky2 | jelly-home, i tested it in another directory (Desktop) and still the same take a look |
| 14:37.58 | sharky2 | http://paste.debian.net/183148/ |
| 14:38.05 | jelly-home | sharky2: you can delete any file in your directory |
| 14:38.40 | jelly-home | this is also normal. |
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| 14:38.47 | sharky2 | let me try |
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| 14:39.45 | jelly-home | I'm simplifying some aspects of permissions for the sake of this conversation. |
| 14:39.52 | sharky2 | you are right |
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| 14:40.09 | sharky2 | i understand |
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| 14:41.01 | sharky2 | so when you own the directory you own all the files inside? |
| 14:41.16 | sharky2 | no matter what privileges they have? |
| 14:41.19 | jelly-home | no. |
| 14:41.38 | jelly-home | you're able to delete them, though. |
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| 14:42.22 | jelly-home | and rename them, and do other directory-entry management stuff |
| 14:42.35 | jelly-home | (like mv) |
| 14:42.40 | sharky2 | i see |
| 14:43.17 | sharky2 | so to protect a file you have to protect the directory |
| 14:43.58 | sharky2 | because i was expecting that when only root have write privileges to the file only root can alter it |
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| 14:44.48 | sharky2 | it really seems as you say that vi deletes the file and creates automatically the same file with other privileges - altered |
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| 14:45.17 | jelly-home | that is correct, only root can write to or modify a mode 0644 root:root owned file |
| 14:46.34 | jelly-home | but the directory owner can unlink or rename any files |
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| 14:47.01 | sharky2 | but if the file is 0644 root:somegroup the users in the somegroup should only be able to read it |
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| 14:47.47 | sharky2 | jelly-home, thanks i have to keep in mind about the directory owner |
| 14:48.23 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 14:48.23 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions', http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 14:48.48 | sharky2 | jelly-home, thanks i will read that |
| 14:50.17 | sharky2 | i mean i have some knowledge about permissions, but i did not take into account the directory owner |
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| 14:51.27 | sharky2 | and in the other debian instance with lxde vi can not overwrite the file, weill it seems there it does not recreate it automatically |
| 14:51.51 | graham1 | do you think it would be safe to delete /etc/apache2/ if i didn't need apache anymore? transmission has its own web service it seems |
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| 14:56.14 | sharky2 | graham1, in /etc/apache2 are only the config files of your apache server |
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| 14:56.49 | sharky2 | graham1, by deleting then you do not delete/remove the server, if that is what you want |
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| 14:57.33 | abrotman | graham1: you should purge the package first |
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| 14:59.08 | jaakka | hi! i understand there are little to no differences between amd64 and x86_64, but is it possible to convert a working system? |
| 14:59.31 | Rox64 | What do you mean? |
| 14:59.58 | abrotman | jaakka: those are the same thing |
| 14:59.59 | jaakka | some applications complain about not beeing amd64 versions |
| 15:00.00 | _SKiTZO | jaakka: as far as I know they are both the same |
| 15:00.13 | abrotman | jaakka: did you mean amd64 and i386 ? |
| 15:00.23 | Rox64 | What abrotman and _SKiTZ0 said |
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| 15:00.54 | abrotman | hex20dec: still alive out there? |
| 15:01.05 | tharkun | How much can CPU cache affect on debian performance (Debian Vanilla Kernel) ? |
| 15:01.16 | Rotaerk | hmm next time I install debian, I'm not going to use the "small cd" option... |
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| 15:01.29 | foetus | hello, is it possible to build the current 2.6.32 kernel (squeeze) on a amd-e350 ? i become kernel panic - not syncing vfs, blockdevice not found (0,0) and similar. atiixp is included in libata, should work normally.. |
| 15:01.35 | Rotaerk | I started the install yesterday evening, and let it run over night, and it's still not done |
| 15:01.44 | Rotaerk | because the DL speeds are way too slow for some reason |
| 15:02.01 | Rox64 | Well I think you can compile the Linux kernel on a stone, hehe, but I don't know. |
| 15:02.17 | tharkun | Rotaerk: You have allways two options at least. Download first install later or Install while you download. Either one depends on how fast a conection you have. |
| 15:02.45 | Rotaerk | well my connection is fast, these download speeds aren't what they should be |
| 15:02.54 | jaakka | abrotman, yes, some applications do complain about not beeing 64bit, i understand the difference between i386 which is 32-bit and x86_64 which is 64 bit |
| 15:02.54 | abrotman | could be the mirror you chose |
| 15:02.59 | foetus | bios is set to ide-mode, not ahci. |
| 15:03.05 | Rotaerk | I chose ftp.us.debian.org |
| 15:03.07 | abrotman | jaakka: are you asking a question ? |
| 15:03.11 | Rotaerk | other mirrors were no better |
| 15:03.13 | tharkun | Rotaerk: bad choice |
| 15:03.22 | abrotman | Rotaerk: there's a bloomu mirror |
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| 15:03.33 | abrotman | Rotaerk: and a lehigh mirror, and pair.com is in pittsburgh |
| 15:03.47 | abrotman | and a PSU mirror |
| 15:03.52 | jaakka | abrotman, sorry, i meant that , wont i experience any difficulties if i mix both applications in the same userspace? |
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| 15:04.16 | Rotaerk | even so, I wouldn't expect the download speeds to be like... 5KB/s |
| 15:04.18 | jelly-home | tharkun: cache size affects typical desktop/workstation performance probably to a larger degree than clock frequency |
| 15:04.22 | abrotman | jaakka: you're still not making sense |
| 15:04.34 | abrotman | Rotaerk: that ftp.us.debina.org is a round robin .. no telling what issues you might have |
| 15:04.42 | Rotaerk | hmm |
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| 15:05.21 | jaakka | abrotman, let me rephrase, if i try to use both 32 and 64-bit binaries, will i experience any errors? |
| 15:05.22 | foetus | any suggestions? |
| 15:05.27 | Rotaerk | I'll setup a second virtual machine and test it on a different mirror |
| 15:05.32 | Rotaerk | and see if it goes any faster |
| 15:05.48 | jelly-home | foetus: did debian ever work on this hardware? |
| 15:06.04 | abrotman | jaakka: on squeeze? |
| 15:06.06 | jaakka | Rotaerk, try to use the closest mirror, geo-ip doesnt usually select the nearest one |
| 15:06.47 | jaakka | abrotman, yes, it should be running , Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 15:07.14 | abrotman | his closest is probably jhu or bloomu |
| 15:07.27 | abrotman | jaakka: i've not done what you're asking, but others have .. |
| 15:08.19 | jaakka | ok, thank you, ill research that matter later |
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| 15:08.40 | foetus | jelly-home: i hope so, it must work, however..;-) |
| 15:08.50 | jelly-home | foetus: I mean, for you |
| 15:08.54 | jaakka | the simplest question would be, what to you use for managing interfaces? networkmanager, wicd or something other? |
| 15:09.24 | sneex | a system that is 64bit can use 32bit libraries but not other way |
| 15:09.35 | jelly-home | foetus: is it a running installation that stopped working recently, or is it a fresh install? |
| 15:09.43 | foetus | jelly-home: i still cannot boot without using install rescue this time.. |
| 15:09.58 | Rotaerk | hmm, in the alt-F4 screen of the installer, it has lines like "in-target: Get:<number> .... <filename> [<size>]" |
| 15:10.05 | tharkun | jelly-home: Thanks |
| 15:10.26 | foetus | jelly-home: it is not a fresh install. |
| 15:10.26 | Rotaerk | if Get:1016 through Get:1020 are all the same file name and file size... |
| 15:10.31 | Rotaerk | are these retries |
| 15:10.36 | Rotaerk | or is it splitting the file up into parts |
| 15:10.38 | Rotaerk | or what |
| 15:10.50 | jelly-home | foetus: what older kernel do have installed? |
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| 15:11.30 | foetus | jelly-home: its an 2.6.32-31 source |
| 15:11.39 | jelly-home | source? |
| 15:11.53 | jelly-home | foetus: you're not using a distro kenrel? |
| 15:12.20 | ratatata | nu |
| 15:12.37 | hex20dec | abrotman: Yeah, I told you, everything is working perfect now. |
| 15:12.39 | hex20dec | =] |
| 15:12.50 | jelly-home | !tell foetus about bdo kernel |
| 15:12.51 | foetus | jelly-home: no, it is a self compiled one, as i described before. |
| 15:13.00 | jelly-home | foetus: might want to try that one instead |
| 15:13.04 | abrotman | hex20dec: glad to hear .. good luck! |
| 15:13.28 | jelly-home | foetus: what reason do you have for building a custom kernel? |
| 15:14.29 | foetus | jelly-home: i like it to embed needed hardware only, for years.. |
| 15:15.26 | hex20dec | abrotman: Glad to know there are still good people out there like you that are willing to help. =] Take care. |
| 15:15.53 | foetus | but, what could be the reason for this blockdevice error? |
| 15:16.22 | foetus | hardware is ok. |
| 15:16.37 | foetus | sata is set to ide mode |
| 15:17.41 | jelly-home | foetus: you might have forgot to put correct drivers in, might have put them in as modules and built an incomplete initrd, who knows |
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| 15:18.22 | jelly-home | I suggest changing your workflow to deviate less from what the distro provides, esp. if the distro kernel actually works. |
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| 15:19.03 | jelly-home | building custom kernels is too-old school these days |
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| 15:20.33 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell foetus about debug initramfs |
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| 15:21.52 | foetus | jelly-home: thanks. i only would know, if its possible with the current sources. thanks for dpkg-ing:) |
| 15:21.53 | jelly-home | has weaned his boss off custom kernels |
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| 15:24.26 | foetus | the power switch is in range, anyway..;-) |
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| 15:25.32 | foetus | thanks alot, jelly-home. |
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| 15:33.05 | foetus | ok, lets reboot |
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| 15:35.33 | MoRpHeO | i need a solution for a problem of my pc |
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| 15:37.18 | sneex | get a new pc? |
| 15:37.22 | Rotaerk | abrotman, well, I chose bloomu, and so far it took 2 minutes to download this 8MB file, then retried and took 2 minutes again, and now it's in its second retry. |
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| 15:38.38 | Rotaerk | looks like it succeeded the second retry, after 1.5 minutes |
| 15:38.51 | abrotman | Rotaerk: weird |
| 15:39.16 | Rotaerk | but if I go to a different console, and I wget the same exact file (I have to kind of find it because it doesn't give the exact URL in the alt-F4 output) |
| 15:39.58 | Rotaerk | hrm... interesting; not what I was seeing yesterday, must've gotten lucky then |
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| 15:40.12 | Rotaerk | if I wget it manually, it starts downloading reasonably fast, but then it stalls |
| 15:40.20 | Rotaerk | wget is in a "stalled "status |
| 15:40.41 | tezz | Is there a GUI frontend to configure/toggle the use of ntp? ( Also, is there a way to set automatic updates using ntpdate without having to manually set a cron job? ) |
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| 15:42.13 | abrotman | tezz: why wouldn't you wan tit always on ? |
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| 15:42.49 | Diopter | tezz: Just install "ntp", so it runs the ntpd and syncs automatically. |
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| 15:44.17 | Rotaerk | hmm interesting, it has nothing to do with the debian mirrors or my selection of one |
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| 15:44.27 | Rotaerk | ran across this: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/download.html |
| 15:44.35 | Rotaerk | and downloaded one of the test large files there |
| 15:44.36 | tezz | abrotman: well doesn't ntpd update at a set interval? .. and so in between that time it's wasting a miniscule amount of CPU ... so having a cron job with ntpdate seems more efficient ? |
| 15:44.39 | Rotaerk | and it stalled after a little bit |
| 15:44.59 | abrotman | tezz: you sohuldn't be using ntpdate any more, just ntp |
| 15:45.32 | Diopter | tezz: ntpdate is deprecated. It's not just a periodic replacement for running ntpd |
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| 15:46.49 | sharky2 | Rotaerk, it seems you have problems with your connection/bandwidth maybe your router or isp |
| 15:47.03 | Rotaerk | wonder if they're throttling me |
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| 15:47.15 | Rotaerk | I can download these files via windows just fine |
| 15:47.24 | Rotaerk | same connection |
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| 15:48.09 | sharky2 | Rotaerk, do you have gui browser, try this http://speedtest.net/index.php |
| 15:48.32 | Rotaerk | I'm still in the installation stage; don't have a GUI browser available yet, I think |
| 15:48.43 | _droid | hi people, i installed vsfpd onto a debian os and want to convigure it as a public ftp server |
| 15:48.56 | Rotaerk | I mean in windows I do, but in windows I'm not experiencing any problems |
| 15:48.57 | sharky2 | then wget http://videos.revision3.com/revision3/web/hak5/1125/hak5--1125--blackhat-2012--hd720p30.h264.mp4 |
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| 15:49.29 | sharky2 | revision3 has big bandwidth and maxes my connection about 4MB/s |
| 15:49.49 | _droid | i try to connect as anonymous but i get the error messages: Could not read from socket: ECONNRESET - Connection reset by peer |
| 15:49.49 | _droid | Could not connect to server |
| 15:50.01 | Rotaerk | testing that now |
| 15:50.25 | Rotaerk | yep, it downloaded 296k and then stalled |
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| 15:50.29 | studentm8 | http://www.reddit.com/r/AnythingGoesVideos/comments/t47vo/amateur_russian_teenagers_making_a_porn_movie/ http://www.reddit.com/r/BDSMvideo/comments/s5s9z/teacher_punish_her_lesbian_student/ |
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| 15:50.45 | krababbel | yay |
| 15:50.55 | sharky2 | Rotaerk, someone is shaping your connection, or your connection is not properly configed |
| 15:50.58 | _droid | http://pastebin.com/Ryw4F01k here is my config |
| 15:51.25 | sharky2 | Rotaerk, or your router needs a reboot |
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| 15:52.03 | Rotaerk | hmm k |
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| 15:56.16 | sneex | _droid: does your isp actually allow ftp |
| 15:56.30 | Lukemob | <Lukemob> hello, I've got a problem.. whenever I try to start up hvm guest, I get error: Failed to unpause domain <domain> |
| 15:56.30 | Lukemob | <Lukemob> using Debian Squeeeze, Xen HVM 4.0 |
| 15:56.30 | Lukemob | <Lukemob> Linux guests created by debootstrap are working quite well |
| 15:58.50 | sneex | tezz: having an ntp cron job is silly and wasteful in itself |
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| 16:01.50 | abrotman | sneex: please stop .. that's silly talk |
| 16:01.59 | abrotman | sneex: ntpdate is deprecated, you should use ntp |
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| 16:02.45 | sharky2 | _droid, do you connect locally to your ftp like maybe 127.0.0.1:22 or with ftp client like lftp 127.0.0.1, check if your server daemon is running properly |
| 16:02.56 | sneex | ok so a cron job is a good thing lol |
| 16:03.27 | sharky2 | _droid, with ps aux | grep -i ftp |
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| 16:03.42 | abrotman | sneex: you're missing the point, and seemingly don't know what you're talking about |
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| 16:05.02 | krababbel | why would you need cronjobs for ntp? |
| 16:05.27 | jelly-home | krababbel: if your hw clock is so crappy ntpd can't do its job |
| 16:06.04 | ptrkmj | hi. i try to view the graph resulting from the following command "apt-cache dotty gcc | dot -Tsvg -o graph.svg" with gpicview but when i zoom in the picture becomes blurry (as if it was low resolution bitmap!) and i can't even read package names. i opened it with iceweasel and it's better (doesn't get blurry when zooming) but the browser has some hard limit on zoom level and won't let me get close enough. |
| 16:06.04 | sneex | abrotman: I got it; ntp is capable of hanlding the time all by itself but I can see how making a cron job helps lazy connections :P no biggy |
| 16:06.31 | krababbel | jelly-home: OK, I am not sure why, but will look into that |
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| 16:07.23 | jelly-home | krababbel: you don't need to do into anything until you stumble onto such hardware in real life and have to maintain an installation on it |
| 16:07.26 | abrotman | sneex: you're not still not getting it |
| 16:07.30 | jelly-home | look into* |
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| 16:11.05 | krababbel | jelly-home: thank you |
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| 16:12.37 | _droid | sarky2: no the server is one machine with it's ip and the client is another machine with another ip |
| 16:12.46 | Rotaerk | I'm gonna try something other than virtual PC |
| 16:12.51 | _droid | ps aux | grep -i ftp gave me: |
| 16:13.02 | _droid | root 2987 0.0 0.2 3972 1048 ? S 18:57 0:00 /usr/sbin/vsftpd |
| 16:13.02 | _droid | root 3026 0.0 0.3 4588 1648 pts/2 S+ 18:58 0:00 vi /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 16:13.02 | _droid | root 3090 0.0 0.1 3304 772 pts/1 S+ 19:12 0:00 grep -i ftp |
| 16:14.15 | _droid | sharky2:no the server is one machine with it's ip and the client is another machine with another ip |
| 16:14.19 | hex20deb | abrotman: You still there? I have one more question if you don't mind. |
| 16:14.33 | _droid | sharky2: the ps command gave me the following |
| 16:14.41 | _droid | root 2987 0.0 0.2 3972 1048 ? S 18:57 0:00 /usr/sbin/vsftpd |
| 16:14.42 | _droid | root 3026 0.0 0.3 4588 1648 pts/2 S+ 18:58 0:00 vi /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 16:14.42 | _droid | root 3090 0.0 0.1 3304 772 pts/1 S+ 19:12 0:00 grep -i ftp |
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| 16:16.04 | abrotman | hex20deb: sure |
| 16:16.08 | abrotman | _droid: jesus .. use a psatebin |
| 16:16.16 | hex20deb | abrotman: I downloaded the deb package for chrome from google.com/chrome and I installed it with dpkg -i, everything went smoothly, and I even verified that it is installed with dpkg -l | grep chrome and it is there, but I don't see it anywhere, meaning I can't open it. |
| 16:16.17 | abrotman | pastebin even |
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| 16:16.30 | abrotman | hex20deb: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 16:16.48 | abrotman | hex20deb: if you | grep bin .. you'll see just things in bin|sbin |
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| 16:18.19 | abrotman | runs away |
| 16:19.42 | hex20deb | abrotman: bin is where all the shortcuts are? |
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| 16:20.02 | hex20deb | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\]\ |
| 16:20.09 | hex20deb | Oops |
| 16:20.24 | nsadmin | /usr/bin and /bin (among other places) are where the executables are |
| 16:20.36 | hex20deb | nsadmin: Thank you. |
| 16:20.47 | Calinou | hex20deb, protip, use chromium |
| 16:20.52 | Calinou | I hope you like google tracking you for no benefit |
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| 16:21.23 | hex20deb | Calinou: And chromium is track free? |
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| 16:21.31 | Calinou | yes. and has a cooler logo :p |
| 16:21.39 | nsadmin | hex20deb, set aside some time to explore... start with ls / |
| 16:21.40 | Calinou | and it's in main repos |
| 16:21.57 | r0tha | which ls |
| 16:22.10 | jelly-home | Calinou: and not in stable, and doesn't come with uptodate flash |
| 16:22.43 | Calinou | who cares about flash? also, get backports, or testing/unstable |
| 16:22.52 | jelly-home | hex20deb: the command is "google-chrome" |
| 16:22.55 | hex20deb | I honestly don't really care if Google tracks me, because google already knows everything there is to know about me. |
| 16:22.57 | Calinou | we have gnash anyway |
| 16:23.08 | jelly-home | Calinou: it's not in backports either, and gnash is useless irl |
| 16:23.46 | hex20deb | jelly-home: Why is there no shortcut in applications? |
| 16:23.48 | hex20deb | Just wondering. |
| 16:23.56 | jelly-home | hex20deb: there is for me. |
| 16:24.03 | Calinou | jelly-home, people forcing you to use flash for their site can go F themselves |
| 16:24.05 | hex20deb | Did you make it yourself? |
| 16:24.06 | nsadmin | hex20deb, it's not called that, that's all |
| 16:24.07 | Calinou | flash is far from needed; we have HTML5 |
| 16:24.45 | hex20deb | nsadmin: What do you mean? |
| 16:25.16 | hex20deb | Calinou Google maps still operate on Flash |
| 16:25.40 | nsadmin | hex20deb, linux/debian just works differently from win/mac |
| 16:25.45 | jelly-home | Calinou: you're missing the point. There might be legitimate reasons to still use some feature that google's chrome provides in a neat package. |
| 16:26.01 | hex20deb | nsadmin: I realized that a while ago. |
| 16:26.11 | hex20deb | It's called link? or something like that? |
| 16:26.19 | Calinou | well chrome on linux can sometimes be a PITA, the deb sometimes doesn't even work |
| 16:26.24 | hex20deb | Symlink? |
| 16:26.29 | hex20deb | I forgot. |
| 16:26.39 | nsadmin | oh, yes, those work kinda like "shortcuts" |
| 16:27.04 | nsadmin | but you can have shortcuts to not just executables, but also folders and files |
| 16:27.23 | nsadmin | symbolic links |
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| 16:27.35 | hex20deb | Yeah, reading about it now. |
| 16:28.55 | hex20deb | So, just curious, why wasn't there an icon on my applications palette of chrome? |
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| 16:29.24 | hex20deb | All other things that I installed had a `shortcut` thing there. |
| 16:29.33 | nsadmin | maybe because the .deb for it (that is the one you installed) doesn't add it? |
| 16:29.52 | hex20deb | Oh, so it isn't a problem with my end. |
| 16:30.04 | hex20deb | Alright, that's good to know. |
| 16:30.06 | nsadmin | no, I don't think so |
| 16:30.39 | nsadmin | but I also don't know for sure, because I've not installed stuff from google before |
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| 16:30.59 | hex20deb | What browser do you use? |
| 16:31.02 | hex20deb | Just curious. |
| 16:31.08 | nsadmin | see, the way this whole installing deb thing works, |
| 16:31.32 | nsadmin | the deb has the thing you want to install (usually some app) |
| 16:31.45 | nsadmin | it might have other files too, |
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| 16:32.14 | syslq_ | Which free dynamic dns service would allow me to name internal hosts (behind nat)? |
| 16:32.28 | hex20deb | Well, it is Google, the Biggest company ever. |
| 16:32.28 | hex20deb | Other debs, I probably wouldn't install. |
| 16:32.29 | nsadmin | and the .deb has what I like to call its "packaging" which could be made to do things like add menu items |
| 16:32.33 | hex20deb | apt-get does the job just fine. |
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| 16:32.47 | hex20deb | Yeah. |
| 16:32.47 | jelly-home | hex20deb: the menu entries ought to appeat for you at installation time, but sometimes they don't and a log off / log on to the GUI helps |
| 16:33.00 | nsadmin | hex20deb, yes, and it works that way (plus downloads the debs) too |
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| 16:34.58 | hex20deb | I will try logging off and back on jelly-home |
| 16:35.00 | hex20deb | Thanks. |
| 16:35.15 | nsadmin | that is, if you install something from apt-get, it downloads a deb (and maybe also other debs) and installs it, and that deb has your app, maybe other files too, and has its "packaging" which are scripts that do various tasks, such as add shortcuts or menu items, or starts somethjing |
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| 16:36.20 | hex20deb | I like this channel, nice people around here. |
| 16:36.21 | hex20deb | =] |
| 16:36.26 | hex20deb | Thanks for the explanation. |
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| 16:37.42 | bmomjian | Is it normal the hdparm -W 0 (turn off write cache) is cleared by a power cycle, but not a simple reboot? |
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| 16:38.46 | hex20deb | jelly-home: Nope. |
| 16:38.50 | hex20deb | Did not work. |
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| 16:39.08 | nsadmin | hex20deb, ok, do you have a terminal fired up? |
| 16:39.15 | hex20deb | I sure do. |
| 16:39.28 | nsadmin | type: chrome <enter> |
| 16:39.45 | hex20dec | Still here.. |
| 16:39.47 | hex20dec | Sorry |
| 16:39.54 | hex20dec | Got disconnected from my other account. |
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| 16:40.26 | sharky2 | _droid, soryy i am watching some movie, ok so your server is running but you still can not connect? |
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| 16:40.39 | hex20dec | nsadmin: Just chrome doesn't bring up anything, just "command not found" |
| 16:40.45 | hex20dec | google-chrome works |
| 16:40.51 | aPpYe | i am never quite sure where to ask a question, either here or in the debian OFTC server ... are they separate communities? Are the meant for different things? |
| 16:40.52 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 16:40.56 | nsadmin | there you go then :) |
| 16:41.03 | nsadmin | at least you can run it |
| 16:41.05 | hex20dec | And to make a shortcut? |
| 16:41.07 | jelly-home | hex20dec: no idea then, wfm |
| 16:41.21 | jelly-home | but then agian I'm on testing |
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| 16:41.52 | sharky2 | _droid, i wanted to ask you to try to connect from your server locally just to test your server, maybe you have some firewall (iptables) on your server that might block your connections from your client |
| 16:41.54 | nsadmin | hex20dec, you would use ln to make a symlink |
| 16:42.09 | nsadmin | what dir do you want the symlink to be in? |
| 16:42.29 | sniggles | hello, I have a projector with a serial port, the proxima 5950, How would I set up linux to stream video to this device via a serial connection? |
| 16:42.31 | hex20dec | Can I put it under applications->internet nav bar? |
| 16:42.48 | nsadmin | what dir is that? |
| 16:43.13 | nsadmin | yes, if it's a dir (and by other means, yes if there is a way provided to do that) |
| 16:43.53 | hex20dec | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XIn4lt089ZE/TVGUkq41ZcI/AAAAAAAAABU/H4jZ59qzkvc/s1600/Debian_Squeeze_13.jpg |
| 16:43.56 | hex20dec | nsadmin: |
| 16:44.02 | hex20dec | You see the internet there |
| 16:44.08 | hex20dec | How do I add it there? |
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| 16:44.39 | aPpYe | anyway, I am trying to follow the ssd optimization stuff at http://wiki.debian.org/SSDoptimization ... I have set "discard" on my filesystems as such: http://paste.debian.net/183158/ ... I am not sure what applies to me in the guide since I am not using encryption... |
| 16:45.12 | nsadmin | hex20dec, ohh, you want to add it to the menu |
| 16:45.18 | hex20dec | Yes. |
| 16:45.34 | nsadmin | that's different from a symlink, and I presently don't know how to do that |
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| 16:46.08 | hex20dec | =[ |
| 16:46.15 | hex20dec | Shouldn't be too hard. |
| 16:46.17 | nsadmin | this is a debian mechanism which provides a menu system generic enough to be included in any gui |
| 16:46.20 | hex20dec | I'll look it up |
| 16:46.31 | nsadmin | it's in the package "menu" |
| 16:46.35 | Rotaerk_ | sharky2, looks like the problem was MS Virtual PC |
| 16:46.50 | Rotaerk_ | installed Oracle's VirtualBox, and it's doing much better now |
| 16:46.55 | nsadmin | then, the gui you have will pull from the menu |
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| 16:47.13 | nsadmin | see what happens if you right-click on internet |
| 16:47.23 | sharky2 | Rotaerk_, nice |
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| 16:48.00 | nsadmin | (the preceeding was a total shot in the dark... just so ya know :) |
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| 16:49.56 | nsadmin | hex20dec, if it doesn't, then we can try to learn to add the item using the basic menu system (which is manipulated thru the command line) |
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| 16:50.10 | nsadmin | do you want to do that? |
| 16:50.15 | hex20dec | http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-2.html.en#menustructure-4 |
| 16:50.24 | hex20dec | It says how to do it. |
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| 16:50.56 | hex20dec | But where the **** is $XDG_DATA_DIRS |
| 16:51.15 | nsadmin | see if it's defined in your env |
| 16:51.37 | hex20dec | I don't even know where to look for it. |
| 16:51.49 | nsadmin | you can get a list using "env" or you can try echoing the var (echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS |
| 16:51.56 | nsadmin | ) |
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| 16:52.18 | hex20dec | Oh, true. |
| 16:52.25 | nsadmin | is it there? |
| 16:52.48 | hex20dec | Yeah. |
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| 16:53.15 | hex20dec | /usr/share/gnome |
| 16:53.35 | nsadmin | cd in there, look around |
| 16:53.38 | hex20dec | There are 3 directories here though. |
| 16:53.42 | hex20dec | I am. |
| 16:53.44 | hex20dec | =] |
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| 16:54.11 | nsadmin | cool... you may be somewhat on the new side, but you're learning fast |
| 16:55.20 | disown | I am curious for older distro's that uses older debian repo's are the software in the old ones updated at the same time an update occurs for the new ones. Or would there be any software that was in one that was not in the other. |
| 16:55.31 | hex20dec | Hehe, thanks =D |
| 16:55.49 | nsadmin | disown, older meaning which one? |
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| 16:56.39 | _aeris_ | hello #debian ! |
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| 16:56.58 | nsadmin | disown, so there are some releases of debian that hae "expired", you can still get them but they'll never change again |
| 16:57.29 | _aeris_ | i try to start lxc container, but seems i need the « linux-container » package, which have been removed from debian |
| 16:57.57 | _aeris_ | why it was been removed, and how i can deploy lxc in debian without it ? |
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| 16:58.33 | nsadmin | hex20dec, curious, what has you interested in debian? one way I'd use that answer is to give you things to do/learn about that are more toward what you're interested in |
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| 16:59.35 | hex20dec | nsadmin: I just love gaining information about anything. |
| 16:59.35 | hex20dec | I'm a bit late with the whole linux thing, but I will catch up, hopefully. =P |
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| 16:59.42 | disown | so are you saying once a debian distro is old the repo that it by default uses does not get updated with new software one would have to add to his source.lst the newer repo to get the most current software. Is that correct |
| 16:59.55 | hex20dec | And linux is a really really fascinating platform. |
| 17:00.48 | pparadis | disown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases && http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 17:01.34 | nsadmin | disown, what I mean is (1) it eventually gets removed from the main mirrors and placed in an archived location you can still get to on archive.debian.org |
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| 17:02.06 | pparadis | disown: when a release is no longer supported, you need to upgrade your systems to the new stable release. this is generally accomplished by editing /etc/apt/sources.list to reflect the new stable reelase name, followed by apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 17:02.26 | nsadmin | hex20dec, ok, what's 2 or 3 things that have your interest now? |
| 17:02.40 | pparadis | however, it is very important to read release notes for specific information, and i always like to upgrade apt and dpkg first. |
| 17:03.05 | nsadmin | meetoo, and kernel, and boot into the new kernel |
| 17:03.20 | pparadis | yah, not a bad idea at all. |
| 17:03.46 | nsadmin | taken together (apt-get, dpkg, kernel) usually pulls in the new libc |
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| 17:05.07 | disown | ok but is the most newest repo have everything the old repo's had + new stuff or just new stuff and not old stuff / tools. If it is the later then you would need to keep the old repo's in the source.lst if in the event you wanted to uses a deprecated software or old software that is not currently being maintained /developed on. WHich on is it |
| 17:05.26 | sprink | Question, if I install a -dev package, where can I find those dev files? |
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| 17:05.34 | nsadmin | disown, sometimes things are added, sometimes things are removed |
| 17:05.47 | nsadmin | sprink, like which one? |
| 17:05.55 | sprink | nsadmin: libncurses-dev |
| 17:06.01 | sprink | err, ncurses-dev |
| 17:06.19 | sprink | libncurses5-dev to be more exact |
| 17:06.20 | disown | so the only real way to have everything is to add all the repo's to the source.lst file to begin with |
| 17:06.21 | nsadmin | ok, you can look at the content (list of files) of that package |
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| 17:06.42 | nsadmin | using dpkg -L ncurses-dev |
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| 17:07.01 | sprink | nsadmin: thank you sir |
| 17:07.04 | nsadmin | (or whichever is the actual package name, did you say libncurses5-dev?) |
| 17:07.17 | disown | ok I didn't know if newer was backward compatible or the older was like forward compatible but by your answer that is not the cases |
| 17:07.23 | sprink | nsadmin: yup. thanks pal |
| 17:07.46 | _droid | sharky2: np, i was watching also a movie ;) |
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| 17:08.15 | nsadmin | sprink, you're looking to compile something? |
| 17:08.16 | disown | can I assume that all the mirror's for the repo's have the same software... after all they are mirror's or is this not normally true. I understand some mistake or something but in general |
| 17:08.32 | _droid | sharky2: i want to try to connect to my ftp-server that is in my local lan |
| 17:08.39 | sprink | nsadmin: na, looking to try and get back into programming, been a long time, and I wanted to utilize ncurses |
| 17:08.59 | nsadmin | disown, from C? |
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| 17:09.08 | disown | wut |
| 17:09.16 | nsadmin | oh sorry |
| 17:09.24 | sharky2 | _droid, and it is not working or what? |
| 17:09.25 | nsadmin | sprink, from C? |
| 17:09.32 | sprink | nsadmin: C++ for specifically |
| 17:09.38 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 17:09.40 | sprink | s/for/more |
| 17:09.43 | disown | no problem, I was talking about mirrors being normally the same |
| 17:09.55 | disown | or not |
| 17:10.02 | disown | question |
| 17:10.02 | nsadmin | do you know about make? |
| 17:10.08 | sharky2 | _droid, let us try resolve this, are you here now |
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| 17:10.20 | grandie | new at this, should one use a proxy or firewall in going through a dsl router using dhcp |
| 17:10.38 | sprink | nsadmin: yeah. I used to be a decent a C years ago, but got caught up in my job and stopped coding as a hobby |
| 17:10.57 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 17:11.16 | MO_Handes | is there a multiplatform program for sharing files over lan-wireless home network? I want to access my pc (Windows) hard drive with my laptop (Debian). |
| 17:11.55 | _droid | sharky2: yes im here |
| 17:11.58 | nsadmin | so gcc (and g++) have -I <dir> to specify additional include dirs and -L <dir> to specify additional lib dirs |
| 17:12.06 | sharky2 | _droid, ok |
| 17:12.20 | sprink | nsadmin: I figure since it's been so long, I might as well make the jump to C++. I remember having a hard time jumping to OOP back when I was a die-hard C coder |
| 17:12.31 | _droid | sharky2: :) |
| 17:12.33 | sharky2 | _droid, so your two machines are in your local lan |
| 17:12.56 | nsadmin | sprink, you could also consider some interpretive languages |
| 17:13.02 | dvs | sprink: Lucky you. Now you can learn the latest standard |
| 17:13.12 | _droid | sharky2: yes they are the server is 192.168.1.10 and the client is 192.168.1.105 |
| 17:13.13 | sharky2 | _droid, can you test your vftpd server from your server machine (localy) |
| 17:13.15 | nsadmin | lisp, scheme, tcl, perl, python, ruby |
| 17:13.25 | sprink | nsadmin: I tried, I was fiddling with python and ruby the last few days, but then I looked at some C and everything just made so much more sense to me |
| 17:13.25 | nsadmin | among MANY others |
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| 17:13.35 | sprink | so now I'm scrapping those and going back to my roots |
| 17:13.38 | dvs | !beer sprink |
| 17:13.38 | dpkg | pours a quart of Yuengling Lager for sprink |
| 17:13.41 | _droid | sharky2: you mean connect to itself? |
| 17:13.49 | sharky2 | _droid, yes |
| 17:13.57 | sprink | dvs: cheers |
| 17:14.12 | sharky2 | _droid, if you have browser on the server machine ftp.//127.0.0.1 |
| 17:14.23 | _droid | skarky2: ok 1 sec |
| 17:14.23 | sharky2 | _droid, ftp://127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:14.29 | nsadmin | python and its indentation-as-syntax thing has been known to get confusing |
| 17:14.54 | _droid | sharky2: i have only the console and no gui |
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| 17:15.27 | _droid | sharky2: btw the connection works |
| 17:15.30 | _droid | to the localhost |
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| 17:15.32 | sprink | nsadmin: I've felt like I am starting from ground-zero with python/ruby. I looked at someone elses C code and I instantly felt like I knew what I was looking at. Very weird feeling |
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| 17:15.58 | ptrkmj | hex20dec: see `man xdg-desktop-menu' for how to add something to your desktop environement menu |
| 17:16.09 | nsadmin | sprink, well the main thing about the scripting languages is you don't need to allocate mem for objects |
| 17:16.17 | sharky2 | _droid, yes with console you can test with some ftp client or even with w3m fto://127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:16.26 | sharky2 | _droid, i mean ftp |
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| 17:17.08 | sprink | nsadmin: yeah, I feel like I'm in the dark a lot of the times, not seeing declarations and such |
| 17:17.40 | _droid | sharky2: can't load ftp://127.0.0.1 |
| 17:17.45 | sprink | lots of magic in python/ruby |
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| 17:17.51 | sprink | I'm not a fan of magic |
| 17:17.58 | _droid | skarky2: i think that we need a user anonymous? |
| 17:18.16 | nsadmin | ahh, yes (the allocation thing is magical as compared to c/c++) |
| 17:18.16 | dvs | heh |
| 17:18.44 | sharky2 | _droid, try to restart it /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 17:19.09 | _droid | sharky2: when i enter "ftp 127.0.0.1" i get the following: |
| 17:19.18 | _droid | sharky2: Name (127.0.0.1:root): |
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| 17:20.16 | sharky2 | _droid, in your terminal enter w3m ftp://127.0.0.1 |
| 17:20.35 | sharky2 | _droid, with "://" |
| 17:20.41 | _droid | skarky2: one sec.. |
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| 17:21.27 | _droid | sharky2: w3m: Can't load ftp://127.0.0.1. |
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| 17:22.22 | sharky2 | _droid, i will send you another configuration, try it, reload the server and try again to connecto to it locally |
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| 17:22.54 | _droid | sharky2: send it via pastebin |
| 17:23.44 | sharky2 | _droid, :D i know: http://paste.debian.net/183161/ |
| 17:24.04 | nsadmin | sprink, some books you might look at: The C Companion and C+C++ (both by allan holub), k&r and stroustrup, also you might check out Coad&Nikola and Coad&Coplien |
| 17:24.10 | _droid | sharky2: ;) |
| 17:24.31 | sharky2 | _droid, change to your directories (like cers and home ...) |
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| 17:25.38 | ptrkmj | i'm learning C from this book: http://publications.gbdirect.co.uk/c_book/ |
| 17:26.19 | _droid | sharky2: the ftpclient says : 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable anonymous root |
| 17:26.32 | ptrkmj | it's a bit old (1991) but still relevant |
| 17:27.42 | sharky2 | _droid, then try with write_enable=NO, mine is running |
| 17:28.27 | sharky2 | _droid, and i think your meant the ftp server, not the client |
| 17:28.41 | _droid | sharky2: ur server runs with "write_enable=NO"? |
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| 17:29.07 | sharky2 | _droid, mine runs with the configuration that i just sent you |
| 17:29.10 | _droid | sharky2: well i get this output on my client (server answers like that prolly) |
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| 17:29.14 | _droid | ok |
| 17:29.38 | sharky2 | what client is that |
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| 17:30.38 | _droid | sharky2: the client that i am using is filezilla |
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| 17:30.57 | Defusal | hi everyone |
| 17:31.24 | Defusal | i set a groups nice value to -20 in /etc/security/limits.conf but processes spawned as a user in that group still say "nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied" |
| 17:31.32 | Defusal | does anyone have an idea why? |
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| 17:32.00 | _droid | sharky2: well i solved it wih a normal user where the password is known |
| 17:32.10 | _droid | skarky2: thanks for the help anyway |
| 17:32.28 | sharky2 | _droid, you are welcome |
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| 17:35.44 | nsadmin | Defusal, woat if you try to set niceness as any ol plain user? |
| 17:36.04 | Defusal | nsadmin, same thing? |
| 17:36.07 | nsadmin | try setting pos nice and negative nice and see what happens |
| 17:36.28 | Defusal | nsadmin, well my user can set nice to anything |
| 17:36.36 | Defusal | nsadmin, but i need a group of users to be able to |
| 17:36.42 | Defusal | because the users are dynamically created |
| 17:36.55 | Defusal | for specific services that are spawned as them |
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| 17:37.11 | nsadmin | does the nice man page have anything that can help? |
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| 17:37.42 | Defusal | like i said, i edited /etc/security/limits.conf, but the group rule doesnt take effect |
| 17:37.55 | Defusal | i guess i'm going to have to run renice as root on the pid instead |
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| 17:38.12 | dvs | Defusal: Did you restart the system? |
| 17:38.19 | Defusal | dvs, no. |
| 17:38.24 | Defusal | this is a server, not a desktop |
| 17:38.45 | nsadmin | what problem are you working on whose solution includes nice? |
| 17:38.55 | Defusal | dvs, is the only way to apply a group rule by restarting the entire system? |
| 17:39.22 | dvs | Defusal: Well, if you know which service it's associated with, you can just restart that. |
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| 17:39.50 | Defusal | nsadmin, i have developed a process manager that spawns single threaded realtime sensitive processes, assigns them to a specific core and it needs to be able to set their niceness to -20 |
| 17:40.32 | nsadmin | Defusal, so, would you restart that process manager? |
| 17:40.45 | Defusal | nsadmin, i have, it does not help |
| 17:40.51 | Defusal | the process manager runs as root anyway |
| 17:41.08 | Defusal | it only spawns processes as a user that belongs to the group that is allowed to use nice |
| 17:41.16 | nsadmin | maybe then, the process manager can run nice or renice |
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| 17:41.26 | Defusal | yeah, i'll have to use renice |
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| 17:41.32 | nsadmin | you did say you're writing it? |
| 17:41.54 | Defusal | but i'd like to know why the group rule in security/limits.conf does not take effect |
| 17:41.58 | Defusal | yup |
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| 17:42.08 | nsadmin | I'd like to know that too |
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| 17:42.33 | jelly-home | limits.conf is config file for pam_limits. |
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| 17:42.39 | nsadmin | I'd say it -is- taking effect, and the permission denied is coming from somewhere else |
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| 17:43.31 | Defusal | i know for user rules the user has to be completely logged out |
| 17:43.55 | Defusal | but group rules i have no idea, maybe you have no choice but to reboot, which simply isnt an option for this server |
| 17:44.11 | nsadmin | I would imagine not |
| 17:44.30 | nsadmin | that would be a very unusual server if it was :) |
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| 17:45.50 | nsadmin | curious, what has you want the processes so un-nice? |
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| 17:47.13 | Defusal | nsadmin, as i said, they are single threaded realtime processes, if anything uses their core when they need it, the tickrate will drop and there will be performance issues |
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| 17:47.43 | Diopter | Defusal: Have you taken into account hyperthreading/IRQ affinity? |
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| 17:48.14 | nsadmin | Defusal, oh, so it's actually a requirement |
| 17:48.21 | Defusal | Diopter, i have not, what specifically should i watch out for? |
| 17:48.26 | Defusal | nsadmin, indeed |
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| 17:51.16 | Diopter | Defusal: Hyperthreading does not give you 2x real cores in performance in all cases, and if you have HT enabled and are pinning processes/interrupts to cores to ensure performance, if you don't take HT into account you might not get the behavior you expect. |
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| 17:51.53 | Diopter | Defusal: That said, though, I'm confused as to why you don't just use a -rt kernel and set your process priority to one of the realtime priorities. |
| 17:52.01 | Defusal | Diopter, ah yeah, i would not expect 2x real cores, haha... are there actually cases where you see such performance? |
| 17:52.10 | Diopter | Defusal: Ensuring scheduling behavior is exactly the goal of the -rt patchset |
| 17:52.22 | Defusal | Diopter, i cannot change my kernel remotely |
| 17:52.38 | Diopter | You can't? o.O |
| 17:52.39 | Defusal | and i have no physical access to the server |
| 17:52.44 | Defusal | i would not want to |
| 17:52.53 | Diopter | Do you not have remote console access? |
| 17:53.00 | Diopter | DRAC, ILO, KVM someone can wheel on a cart... |
| 17:53.01 | Defusal | if something goes wrong, it is not cheap to get a technician out to the data center |
| 17:53.06 | Defusal | there is no such thing |
| 17:53.28 | Defusal | i have ssh, which i got the techie i hired to setup after installing the OS |
| 17:53.41 | Diopter | Sounds like you've got a dirt cheap colo with cheap boxes |
| 17:54.00 | jelly-home | and cheap^Wno support |
| 17:54.05 | Defusal | don't bother going there, it is by far the best offer possible im my situation ;) |
| 17:54.13 | Defusal | and its on a 1 year minimum contract too |
| 17:54.21 | jelly-home | ouch |
| 17:54.32 | Diopter | That sounds way less than the best offer possible :P |
| 17:54.32 | Defusal | but it has uncapped traffic |
| 17:54.33 | Diopter | But ok |
| 17:54.41 | Defusal | which is better than any other offer in my country |
| 17:54.42 | Defusal | :) |
| 17:54.48 | Diopter | Uncapped sounds promising, but what's the uplink/downlink? :P |
| 17:54.55 | Defusal | 100/10 |
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| 17:55.03 | Defusal | and the server hardware is very good |
| 17:55.18 | Diopter | Oh? What is it? Because no DRAC/ILO makes me think "dirt cheap" |
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| 17:55.36 | Defusal | Dell hardware with a super high spec quad core xeon, 16GB ram, raided hdds |
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| 17:56.25 | Defusal | they actually gave me higher spec hardware than my contract specified |
| 17:56.29 | Defusal | so i cannot complain :) |
| 17:56.39 | Diopter | Sounds like you should be demanding they hook up the DRAC then :P |
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| 17:56.46 | Diopter | No remote console is a serious fail |
| 17:57.07 | Defusal | i did complain about it, and they said they'll look into it |
| 17:57.12 | Defusal | but i don't expect anything soon |
| 17:57.23 | Defusal | either way, a rt kernel shouldnt be necessary |
| 17:57.39 | Defusal | i've been told nice -20 should work perfectly |
| 17:58.03 | Diopter | Uh |
| 17:58.21 | Defusal | i just have to work out how much a core can handle, which is the hardest part |
| 17:58.28 | Diopter | "perfectly" is a strong word for when you have a hard need on realtime behavior |
| 17:58.34 | Defusal | theres no easy way other than testing, benching and trial and error |
| 17:59.33 | Defusal | im sure you get more sensitive software Diopter, my only concern is that other processes should never be able to use the core that is needed by one of the realtime processes |
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| 18:00.21 | Diopter | Defusal: Well that's not Too terribly difficult. |
| 18:00.25 | zecrazytux | Defusal: are you using cgroups ? |
| 18:01.25 | Defusal | zecrazytux, not at this point, i was told nice (and ionice) should be sufficient |
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| 18:01.50 | Raydiation | to update to wheezy just replace squeeze with wheezy in the sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgradeß |
| 18:01.52 | Raydiation | ? |
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| 18:02.02 | zecrazytux | Raydiation: basically, yup |
| 18:02.15 | Raydiation | ty |
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| 18:07.13 | __name__ | does anyone else experience complete freezes with debian testing and gnome 3? |
| 18:07.24 | __name__ | well, complete X11 freeze, that is |
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| 18:08.33 | RealiX | __name__ do you need to restart your computer? |
| 18:08.43 | __name__ | Nope, I can SysRq kill X11 |
| 18:09.23 | __name__ | But the whole system pretty much stalls, I can hardly get into a tty and if I do, it takes ages to login |
| 18:09.39 | __name__ | I once got into htop and saw gnome eat up 150 % CPU on a dual core |
| 18:09.56 | nsadmin | __name__, "does anyone else experience ..." --> /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:10.09 | Diopter | Neat. You should try strace -p <gnome pid>, see if you see a flood of syscalls or not |
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| 18:10.54 | disown | curious before ubuntu < 2004 what was the most popular debian based system for uses or was everybody predomantly using the redhat rpm based systems for companies and home uses |
| 18:11.04 | Raydiation | is this a problem? https://pastee.org/65my4 |
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| 18:12.07 | __name__ | nsadmin, I am not sure what is causing it, though I suspect Gnome, and I did not find it there. |
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| 18:13.26 | nsadmin | __name__, ok, thanks for checking |
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| 18:15.05 | nsadmin | Raydiation, are you trying to install stuff? |
| 18:15.07 | __name__ | Diopter, Will do in case I get into a console when it happens again |
| 18:15.19 | Raydiation | nsadmin: trying to upgrade to wheezy |
| 18:15.33 | Raydiation | apt-get update gives me those |
| 18:15.37 | nsadmin | ok, so yeah, that would be a problem |
| 18:16.02 | nsadmin | are you ircing here from the machine you're upgrading? |
| 18:16.09 | Raydiation | nsadmin: no |
| 18:16.29 | nsadmin | on that machine coudl you try ping yahoo.com |
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| 18:16.52 | Raydiation | nsadmin: works |
| 18:17.02 | Raydiation | btw those are only translatoins |
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| 18:17.06 | Raydiation | it seems |
| 18:17.13 | nsadmin | ok, so that means: net is up, dns is working |
| 18:17.30 | Cataphract | hi I just installed sid and apt-get is not marking dependencies with auto (but aptitude is) |
| 18:17.33 | nsadmin | could you put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin? |
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| 18:17.36 | Cataphract | what is the problem? |
| 18:18.04 | Raydiation | nsadmin: https://pastee.org/4fknb |
| 18:18.17 | nsadmin | Raydiation, thanks, looking... |
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| 18:19.13 | nsadmin | comment out line 2 and try again |
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| 18:20.45 | Raydiation | nsadmin: ty |
| 18:20.47 | Raydiation | fxied it |
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| 18:21.18 | nsadmin | The server mirror.hetzner.de refused to allow this computer to make a connection. |
| 18:21.30 | Raydiation | nsadmin: its internal |
| 18:21.32 | Raydiation | i suppose |
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| 18:23.44 | Raydiation | :/ selinux is still not split into cmd line only |
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| 18:25.49 | Raydiation | apt-get install selinux-basics selinux-policy-default pulls in: ttf-dejavu-core x11-common x11-utils xbitmaps xterm cups-common and lots of fonts and avahi |
| 18:26.25 | Raydiation | doesnt this open up more holes` |
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| 18:27.44 | Raydiation | also is this working properly yet? http://packages.debian.org/de/wheezy/systemd |
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| 18:31.23 | ManoftheSea | Raydiation: I've been using systemd for months. It works fine. |
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| 18:31.37 | ManoftheSea | As for your selinux... are you installing suggests and recommends? |
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| 18:32.15 | Raydiation | ManoftheSea: i only see suggested |
| 18:32.18 | Raydiation | Suggested packages: |
| 18:32.18 | Raydiation | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.18 | Raydiation | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.32 | Diopter | .... that's a massive crapload of things that shouldn't be required |
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| 18:33.07 | ManoftheSea | he said they're suggested. Just don't install suggested. |
| 18:33.13 | ManoftheSea | Does the list diminish? |
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| 18:34.53 | jelly-home | Raydiation: suggests, but not installed. |
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| 18:36.35 | Raydiation | ManoftheSea: well, take a look at https://pastee.org/7gkuw |
| 18:36.42 | ManoftheSea | actually, the list for selinux-basics and selinux-policy is quite short... |
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| 18:37.42 | zecrazytux | Raydiation: selinux-basics only ?! |
| 18:38.10 | ManoftheSea | I think you've got other things queued. |
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| 18:39.35 | zecrazytux | ManoftheSea: why did you choose systemd ? how' your user experience ? |
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| 18:40.06 | ManoftheSea | zecrazytux: I heard about it, read some of Lennert's series on using it. Said, "Hmm, interesting, let's try it" |
| 18:40.11 | Raydiation | ManoftheSea: how can i check |
| 18:40.36 | ManoftheSea | my user experience? I had a slight problem with bluetooth, had to add it manually to graphical target (like runlevel 5). |
| 18:40.41 | Diopter | Raydiation: When I try to install selinux-basics, only, without suggests/recommends, I get: checkpolicy, libapol4, libqpol1, policycoreutils, python-ipy, python-selinux, python-semanage, python-sepolgen, python-setools, selinux-basics, selinux-utils |
| 18:40.44 | ManoftheSea | But otherwise, it gets out of my way. |
| 18:40.55 | ManoftheSea | Diopter: do you already have X installed? |
| 18:40.59 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: Yes. |
| 18:41.03 | ManoftheSea | It looked like he was coming from without X |
| 18:41.23 | Raydiation | Diopter: theres no way to do this without editing the sources.list right? |
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| 18:41.54 | ManoftheSea | Raydiation: I only know to launch aptitude, and see if it is already installing things. |
| 18:41.55 | zecrazytux | ManoftheSea: can you see improvements / do you use significant new features of systemd ? or is it just to test it and you don't mind getting back to sysrc ? |
| 18:42.29 | ManoftheSea | zecrazytux: "getting back to"? I don't notice a boot speed change, but my process number is lower. |
| 18:42.50 | ManoftheSea | Though, I boot "init=/sbin/systemd" rather than replacing /bin/init |
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| 18:43.24 | ManoftheSea | I think the capability management that was recently added is interesting too. |
| 18:43.32 | ManoftheSea | Mandatory and easy to understand. |
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| 18:43.49 | ManoftheSea | But I don't use it myself, I'd be relying on the maintainer to assign the caps. |
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| 18:45.09 | zecrazytux | hm ok. thanks for your feedback |
| 18:45.18 | ManoftheSea | I appreciate how it's not scripts. |
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| 18:45.39 | ManoftheSea | The config files are easy to understand, and don't have to check lock files and pid files. |
| 18:45.50 | ManoftheSea | also, they start when asked for. |
| 18:45.56 | nandy_ | it's great news that Debian no longer installs GNOME by default, since it's cumbersome, resource-wasting and counter-intuitive |
| 18:45.58 | zecrazytux | being a bsd user, I don't want to use it as it is non portable by design |
| 18:46.00 | ManoftheSea | Like, I launch xgps, and gpsd starts. |
| 18:46.12 | ManoftheSea | zecrazytux: I can see that as an issue. |
| 18:46.32 | ManoftheSea | "Non-portable"? I'd say it uses recent, unported technologies. |
| 18:46.51 | zecrazytux | recent, linux centric technologies. |
| 18:46.58 | ManoftheSea | we agree on that. |
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| 18:47.13 | ManoftheSea | zecrazytux: so, don't use it. |
| 18:47.29 | ManoftheSea | It didn't make default in Wheezy, you've got at least 2 years. |
| 18:47.51 | Raydiation | i see, setools pulls in the crap |
| 18:47.56 | zecrazytux | ManoftheSea: i'm still interested in getting user feedback :) |
| 18:48.49 | Raydiation | python-semanage |
| 18:48.56 | Raydiation | are those only python bindings? |
| 18:49.04 | Raydiation | or is this required for semanage |
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| 18:50.04 | ManoftheSea | zecrazytux: my concern is things like seats, logind, journald, everythingd. |
| 18:50.18 | ManoftheSea | seats seem neat. I don't know the use case though. |
| 18:50.35 | ManoftheSea | longind matters to control groups, but I don't use those yet. |
| 18:51.01 | ManoftheSea | And I think I understand the reason behind journald (logging before disks are available) |
| 18:51.26 | ManoftheSea | Certainly, a lot of thought has gone into systemd, and I haven't noticed any loss of functionality... |
| 18:51.42 | ManoftheSea | but if you're BSD, seems your decision is made. |
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| 18:53.17 | Raydiation | To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' |
| 18:53.27 | Raydiation | And bow before me |
| 18:54.29 | zecrazytux | ManoftheSea: didn't test it myself. I read some interesting thoughts from the rsyslog author though, and there might be issues with journald |
| 18:54.38 | zecrazytux | ManoftheSea: http://blog.gerhards.net/2011/11/what-i-dont-like-about-journald.html for example |
| 18:55.27 | ManoftheSea | zecrazytux: thanks for the link. |
| 18:55.45 | ManoftheSea | It's certainly a lively debate around the demerder. |
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| 18:57.32 | xispirito | and what about selinux-policy-mls? |
| 18:58.49 | zecrazytux | ManoftheSea: there are a bunch of other blog posts. http://blog.gerhards.net/2011/11/journald-log-hash-chaining-is-broken.html about journald's promise for security, for example |
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| 18:59.59 | Cataphract | I just installed sid and apt-get is not marking dependencies with auto (but aptitude is). Anyone knows what the problem is? |
| 19:00.13 | unknown_lamer | skdjf so, I dusted off my athlonmp rig and tried doing xbmc on my r200... got weird random crashes, googled and figured it was "r200 is old and kms support is iffy" so I grabbed a cheap RV570 and still had similar issues... |
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| 19:00.41 | unknown_lamer | until, during my many reboots with different kernel parameters, soft booted out of the bios and CPU1 didn't come up. Then it worked fine. |
| 19:01.00 | unknown_lamer | I thought it was agpmode=2 but it was just that... confirming now, but it appears I found a race condition in some part of the KMS radeon driver |
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| 19:01.18 | unknown_lamer | who the hell do I report this to and how do I debug something that makes the machine lock up so hard sysrq doesn't work? |
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| 19:21.30 | sprink | Is there a package that might include windows specific development files, like "winnt.h" and "windef.h"? |
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| 19:22.03 | sprink | trying to port some old windows code to linux, and it's a PITA not having access to this windows stuff |
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| 19:23.10 | peterrooney | sprink: if it's windows-specific, then it wouldn't it be irrelevant for debian? |
| 19:23.23 | mmnicolas | unknown_lamer: if your doing things right your hardware is defective |
| 19:24.09 | sprink | peterrooney: yea, unless trying to reverse that windows specific stuff :( |
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| 19:26.01 | unknown_lamer | mmnicolas: this hardware worked 100% solidly until KMS |
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| 19:26.26 | unknown_lamer | mmnicolas: and then it works when I disable SMP... leading to a pretty obvious conclusion |
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| 19:30.53 | mmnicolas | unknown_lamer: you tried radeon.modeset=0 |
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| 19:31.05 | unknown_lamer | mmnicolas: yes, no dice :( |
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| 19:32.54 | ManoftheSea | the dice are loaded. |
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| 19:36.39 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 19:36.58 | lenswipe | can someone help me, when i fullscreen a flash video it goes halfies on one monitor but the other half doesnt show on the other monitor |
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| 19:37.23 | lenswipe | i have a screenshot if anyone cares to see |
| 19:38.05 | lenswipe | http://imagebin.org/224212 |
| 19:38.18 | lenswipe | thats what happens |
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| 19:42.10 | mmnicolas | that's strange, here most flash only fullscreen on it's current monitor |
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| 19:42.32 | mmnicolas | and you want the video spanned across two monitors ? |
| 19:43.14 | lenswipe | no |
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| 19:43.20 | lenswipe | i want it just normal on one monitor |
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| 19:43.25 | lenswipe | i dont want it spanned at all |
| 19:43.42 | lenswipe | im using xinerama so i suppose that could be causing it....but im not sure why that would be |
| 19:43.47 | lenswipe | like its never happened before |
| 19:43.53 | lenswipe | it came with a flash update i think |
| 19:43.59 | mmnicolas | I noticed it sometimes behaves differently on other flashplayers |
| 19:44.04 | lenswipe | hmmm |
| 19:44.07 | mmnicolas | is this on youtube ? |
| 19:44.11 | abrotman | hex20dec: get it all figured out ? |
| 19:44.12 | lenswipe | no |
| 19:44.14 | lenswipe | iPlayer |
| 19:44.17 | lenswipe | but youtube does it too |
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| 19:44.33 | lenswipe | it shifts the video right |
| 19:44.36 | hex20dec | abrotman: I did, thanks. |
| 19:44.36 | lenswipe | and idk why |
| 19:44.49 | hex20dec | Starting to really like debian. |
| 19:45.09 | lenswipe | hex20dec, it is pretty cool :) |
| 19:45.28 | lenswipe | ...although like most computer programs it can be an ass at times |
| 19:47.30 | hex20dec | What makes you say that? |
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| 19:49.44 | mmnicolas | he's having issue with an Adobe product :P |
| 19:49.44 | lenswipe | hex20dec, experience :p |
| 19:49.53 | lenswipe | mmnicolas, nah just in general |
| 19:50.00 | lenswipe | computer programs can be arsey when the mood takes them |
| 19:50.09 | lenswipe | debian is better than most but it has it's moments :p |
| 19:50.18 | lenswipe | mmnicolas, for some reason it keeps skipping bits too |
| 19:50.32 | lenswipe | like skipping massive chunks of the movie |
| 19:50.52 | mmnicolas | lenswipe: and your using testing ? |
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| 19:51.15 | lenswipe | dont think so |
| 19:51.20 | lenswipe | how do i check? |
| 19:51.48 | mmnicolas | lsb_release -a |
| 19:51.56 | abrotman | look at your sources? |
| 19:52.00 | lenswipe | No LSB modules are available. |
| 19:52.01 | lenswipe | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 19:52.01 | lenswipe | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) |
| 19:52.01 | lenswipe | Release:6.0.5 |
| 19:52.01 | lenswipe | Codename:squeeze |
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| 19:54.21 | emanon_ | hi there guys |
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| 19:56.10 | boairc | need help setting up /etc/apt/sources.list - see http://pastebin.com/G3q73Xnr |
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| 19:56.43 | boairc | why do i get those 404? is my sources.list incorrect? please tell me what to put on it |
| 19:57.12 | abrotman | boairc: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 19:57.46 | Ephexeve | So, who's watching the meteor shower tonioght? |
| 19:57.58 | boairc | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-squeeze-debian-6.0-with-bind-dovecot-and-nginx-ispconfig-3-p3 - this says to make sure i have sources.list "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main" to get nginx working correctly |
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| 19:59.34 | abrotman | boairc: /msg dpkg squeeze sources.list |
| 19:59.39 | boairc | abrotman: msg dpkg didnt cast light or gave me answers - the lines it tells me about are different |
| 20:00.24 | abrotman | right, yours are wrong |
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| 20:01.14 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 20:01.18 | lenswipe | sorry i joined the wrong channel |
| 20:01.23 | lenswipe | so yeah mmnicolas you were saying |
| 20:03.57 | mmnicolas | lenswipe: and this is compiz ? |
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| 20:04.08 | lenswipe | i do have compiz installed |
| 20:04.12 | lenswipe | want me to turn it off and try? |
| 20:04.25 | lenswipe | nope, same |
| 20:04.56 | lenswipe | mmnicolas, i have another unrelated issue where my graphics will completely lock up on occasions |
| 20:05.11 | lenswipe | and i have to restart the machine - usually when i do something like move a window between monitor |
| 20:05.13 | lenswipe | monitors* |
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| 20:07.31 | scotepi | how can I tell what my link speed is from the terminal? |
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| 20:07.54 | mmnicolas | ok so what are you using if not compiz ? how about turning off compositing altoghether |
| 20:08.20 | abrotman | scotepi: ethtool or mii-tool |
| 20:08.34 | lenswipe | mmnicolas, right click the compiz icon and choose metacity as the window manager? |
| 20:09.25 | scotepi | abrotman, mii-tool says no autonegotiation, 1000baseT-FD so its 1000 but why no autonegotiation? |
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| 20:11.31 | Diopter | scotepi: ethtool will give you more information generally, but, autoneg is often not available on non-ethernet link types |
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| 20:11.37 | pparadis | scotepi: what does "lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet" say? |
| 20:11.42 | Diopter | scotepi: -FD makes me think it's not copper.. |
| 20:11.59 | scotepi | 00:03.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:100e] (rev 02) |
| 20:12.05 | scotepi | its in a VirtualBox VM |
| 20:12.15 | Diopter | Oh wait, that's Full Duplex |
| 20:12.32 | Diopter | I always forget the fiber GBIC/SFP monikers |
| 20:12.34 | xispirito | selinux default rules deny xorg/gdm? |
| 20:12.43 | scotepi | im trying to figure out why im getting maybe 10MB/s full blast over the LAN and anything that has a lot of i/o is unbaribly slow |
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| 20:12.56 | Diopter | scotepi: Probably because you're not using the virtio driver. |
| 20:13.07 | pparadis | scotepi: it's being emulated in the virtualbox VM. |
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| 20:13.12 | Diopter | scotepi: Virtualized networking devices that don't use VirtIO are extremely slow |
| 20:13.14 | scotepi | I'm using Bridged |
| 20:13.22 | Diopter | Doesn't matter. |
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| 20:13.37 | pparadis | it's not doing passthrough is what we're saying. |
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| 20:14.01 | scotepi | according to the manual doing bridge should be full pass trhough |
| 20:14.10 | Diopter | Wrong kind of passthrough |
| 20:14.25 | pparadis | right, i'm talking about PCI passthough, which it's not doing. |
| 20:14.41 | pparadis | it's internally bridging the virtualized NIC in the VM to the host interface. |
| 20:14.47 | Diopter | scotepi: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html#nichardware |
| 20:14.54 | scotepi | give the VM 100% control over the adapter? |
| 20:14.55 | Diopter | You need to pick the virtio-net adapter. |
| 20:15.00 | pparadis | scotepi: you can't do that. |
| 20:15.21 | pparadis | scotepi: that would also kinda defeat the purpose of virtualization. |
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| 20:15.33 | pparadis | scotepi: do you have guest additions installed? |
| 20:15.41 | scotepi | yeah, nm i understand now, just the wrong virtual card option |
| 20:15.47 | pparadis | if not, there's an option to mount the guest additions ISO in the virtualbox menu. |
| 20:15.48 | scotepi | pparadis, yes |
| 20:15.50 | Diopter | pparadis: Won't need them for virtio so long as it's a linux box. |
| 20:15.56 | Diopter | If it's Windows, different story, but yeah |
| 20:16.00 | pparadis | scotepi: do you have the most recent guest additions installed? |
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| 20:16.19 | queso | How can I figure out where the grey Debian-logo background in testing/wheezy is located? Gnome doesn't show me when I go in to where you set the background. |
| 20:16.22 | scotepi | pparadis, latest ones in squeeze |
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| 20:16.36 | scotepi | once i restart i'll update if it doesnt work |
| 20:16.49 | pparadis | Diopter: there is actually going to be a difference between what gets installed from the squeeze repos and the newest version available in virtualbox. |
| 20:16.53 | abrotman | queso: is it a picture of solid color ? |
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| 20:17.09 | pparadis | scotepi: did you install virtualbox from the repos, or from oracle? |
| 20:17.24 | scotepi | repos |
| 20:17.28 | abrotman | queso: uh .. is it a picture or a solid color |
| 20:17.32 | queso | abrotman: No, it's a grey-gradient background with the debian logo in the center. |
| 20:17.38 | scotepi | wait, nm |
| 20:17.49 | pparadis | ? |
| 20:17.49 | abrotman | queso: that's part of the desktop-base theme, joy .. what are you trying to change abou tit ? |
| 20:17.51 | scotepi | virtualbox is from Orical, the tools are from the repo |
| 20:17.52 | queso | abrotman: it's the default background (at least right now) |
| 20:18.05 | pparadis | scotepi: as in you downloaded it from oracle separately and installed it? |
| 20:18.10 | pparadis | (virtualbox) |
| 20:18.11 | queso | abrotman: ah, okay. I want to find where it is so I can set it as my background in Enlightenment. |
| 20:18.16 | scotepi | yes, windows 7 host |
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| 20:18.20 | Diopter | pparadis: For virtio networking? I'm not aware of the guest additions providing virtio kernel modules that override the linux kernel's |
| 20:18.29 | pparadis | Diopter: last i checked they did. |
| 20:18.32 | abrotman | queso: dpkg -L desktop-base .. lok for image files |
| 20:18.35 | queso | abrotman: but I think I found it now |
| 20:18.44 | Diopter | pparadis: Sounds like a terrible idea D: |
| 20:18.49 | uiopqwer | i extremely stupidly did a full upgrade on my debian wheezy box. apparently, fglrx is no longer available in the repos, so i now can no longer boot my system because the bootup crashes. i can't ctrl-alt-fN to get a command prompt and booting in safe mode crashes too. any ideas on how to recover from this? :( |
| 20:18.50 | Diopter | Another in a long list from vbox |
| 20:19.02 | queso | abrotman: thanks for your help |
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| 20:19.14 | sneex | :P |
| 20:19.23 | Diopter | uiopqwer: Install fglrx for wheezy? |
| 20:19.25 | pparadis | Diopter: i won't disagree with that, but in fact running virtualbox on my macbook, it will even tell me that the version of guest additions is outdated. |
| 20:20.11 | uiopqwer | Diopter: i can't get to a command prompt. also, i added a snapshot to my sources.list to grab an old x.org and fglrx, and still have no luck |
| 20:21.35 | pparadis | scotepi: you can try updating guest additions by hitting the "install guest additions" menu option in virtualbox, then look under /media/cdrom in teh guest. i copy the stuff there to something like "/root/guestadditions" and run the linux installer from there. |
| 20:21.48 | ManoftheSea | uiopqwer: there's an fglrx in experimental. Patrick's blog sez. |
| 20:22.14 | ManoftheSea | this seems relevent http://www.linux-dev.org/2012/08/debian-wheezy-status-of-fglrx-driver/ |
| 20:24.20 | Diopter | uiopqwer: What about if you edit the commandline in grub, and add "single" to the end of the kernel line? |
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| 20:24.52 | pparadis | Diopter: or my old favorite, adding "init=/bin/bash" :) |
| 20:25.11 | Diopter | Indeed. that one's fun |
| 20:25.19 | Diopter | Though you couldn't do it for a bit on RHEL 6.x! |
| 20:25.38 | Diopter | Super fun for the RHCE instructor at work to try to run the root password recovery task :P |
| 20:25.46 | pparadis | haha |
| 20:25.48 | Mr_Queue | I am pretty disapointed gnome3 will ship with wheezy. 10 something years with Debian... This is a real killer. I'm very well aware it can be side stepped, I'm just bummed out this is default. |
| 20:26.12 | Diopter | Mr_Queue: Compared to what? What would you like for the "Desktop" task? |
| 20:26.17 | pparadis | Mr_Queue: the default desktop environment (at least for right now, it's still being discussed), will be xfce. |
| 20:26.23 | abrotman | Mr_Queue: you don't have a choice .. gnome2 and gtk2 are dead upstream |
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| 20:26.45 | Mr_Queue | abrotman: That's the sad panda..... |
| 20:27.06 | pparadis | the mate guys are pushing forward with their stuff, though. |
| 20:27.06 | abrotman | Mr_Queue: you're welcome to join the MATE project .. though i'm not sure how much momentum it really has |
| 20:27.42 | uiopqwer | Diopter: apparently "single" is already at the end of the kernel line for safe mode, but the bootup still crashes. the last line is "USB Video Class driver (1.1.1)" |
| 20:27.44 | pparadis | http://mate-desktop.org/ <-- for reference |
| 20:27.44 | Mr_Queue | I've a pile of friends doing good work on and `awesome` WM config.. |
| 20:27.59 | Diopter | uiopqwer: Er... you have a USB video card plugged in? |
| 20:28.01 | pparadis | Mr_Queue: awesome is one of those things that you will either love or despise. |
| 20:28.05 | Diopter | uiopqwer: Or is that maybe a webcam... |
| 20:28.15 | Mr_Queue | yeah that's how I've seen it.. |
| 20:28.37 | Diopter | I personally use xmonad. |
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| 20:28.48 | Diopter | Couldn't be happier with it |
| 20:28.53 | Mr_Queue | I really loved gnome, it was simple with enough options.. Best part was it was old and you 'just knew' where things were. |
| 20:29.11 | Diopter | Ahh, you don't dislike gnome 3, you just dislike change. |
| 20:29.15 | pparadis | Mr_Queue: you might like xfc or lmde these days. |
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| 20:29.24 | pparadis | xfce rather |
| 20:29.25 | jagginess | anyone familiar of using /dev/shm as a ramdisk? |
| 20:29.30 | Diopter | Sounds like you need Mate, Curmudgeon Edition. |
| 20:29.32 | pparadis | jagginess: sure |
| 20:29.44 | pparadis | jagginess: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 20:29.51 | scotepi | hmmm, changed guest networking adaprt type and still getting only 10MB/s over Samba, gonna check the host on that disk too |
| 20:29.59 | pparadis | Diopter: "get off my lawn edition" :D |
| 20:30.16 | jagginess | pparadis: nothing, i just want to know more about it |
| 20:31.15 | pparadis | jagginess: well, it's shared memory that gets treated as a filesystem, so processes can read and write to it easily. |
| 20:31.21 | uiopqwer | Diopter: unplugged the USB cooling fan. now the last line before crashing in safe mode is "cdrom: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision 3.2.0" nothing's in the disc tray. |
| 20:31.36 | Mr_Queue | jagginess: yeah I use /dev/shm on like 3000 boxes |
| 20:32.11 | pparadis | jagginess: it's mostly useful for fast sharing of data between processes, ala IPC-related tasks. |
| 20:32.18 | mmnicolas | jagginess: I do use that, I sync my whole ~/.mozilla in it |
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| 20:32.21 | Mr_Queue | mysql |
| 20:32.23 | Diopter | uiopqwer: Hrm. Reboot it a couple times. I'm curious if it's a different message each time. I'm thinking maybe you're having some kind of time-based issue, like cooling or RAM or GPU... |
| 20:32.25 | Mr_Queue | tmpdir |
| 20:32.49 | Diopter | I prefer tmpfs to /dev/shm, aside from IPC |
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| 20:33.00 | Diopter | Lots of flexibility with tmpfs |
| 20:33.07 | Mr_Queue | drop mysql tmp dir on /dev/shm wicked faster. |
| 20:33.19 | jagginess | mkdir /dev/shm/AnewDir |
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| 20:33.36 | jagginess | ^ |
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| 20:33.59 | aPpYe | does gnome3 need gamin? |
| 20:34.00 | jagginess | I'm not new to tmpfs. I've used that in the path. |
| 20:34.20 | jagginess | ,/past/ |
| 20:34.23 | Mr_Queue | tmpfs can be anything loop mounted.. |
| 20:34.36 | Mr_Queue | just make it's mount point fast.. ie, /dev/shm |
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| 20:35.09 | Mr_Queue | memory v. disk is like a snail racing a mach 1 F-18 jet.. |
| 20:35.11 | jagginess | Mr_Queue: the mount rule looks different for shm.. I've seen people posting things like using "/dev/shm" as a direct storage path |
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| 20:35.36 | abrotman | pparadis: and you meant lxde, not lmde |
| 20:35.37 | uiopqwer | Diopter: complained about USB again, and this time the text is cut off: "Radeon Display Connectors" and then i can only see the top half of the next line. |
| 20:35.38 | mmnicolas | dev/shm is tmpfs |
| 20:36.06 | jagginess | mmnicolas: that's what i read |
| 20:37.03 | Diopter | /dev/shm is a tmpfs by default, yes. |
| 20:37.10 | Diopter | You can see options and defaults in /etc/default/tmpfs |
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| 20:37.25 | uiopqwer | Diopter: a few hours ago, i was prompted for my root password or asked to press ctrl-d to continue. this dropped me into a prompt where i did all the snapshot stuff. then, thinking i fixed the problem, i rebooted and i have yet to duplicate that scenario. that's been my only key to a prompt so far |
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| 20:37.43 | Diopter | uiopqwer: That'd be the "single" mode (single-user) |
| 20:38.08 | Diopter | uiopqwer: Just seems like you're having some strange trouble getting back there. Maybe try adding "nomodeset" to the kernel line as well |
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| 20:39.57 | rrrr | Hello folks! |
| 20:40.08 | dvs | bah! |
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| 20:40.39 | rrrr | ? |
| 20:41.06 | Rotaerk_ | hmm, synaptic package manager seems buggy |
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| 20:41.27 | Diopter | Probably is. |
| 20:41.33 | Mr_Queue | Rotaerk_: I've not used that in 8 something years, you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:41.50 | rrrr | Is it possible to change the debian linux font? |
| 20:41.52 | Diopter | If you desperately want a GUI, run "aptitude" in a terminal. |
| 20:41.58 | Diopter | rrrr: Meaning the console font? |
| 20:41.58 | Rotaerk_ | Mr_Queue, it's the default for debian |
| 20:42.05 | Rotaerk_ | I would expect the default to be reasonable |
| 20:42.10 | Mr_Queue | [head-desk] |
| 20:42.20 | rrrr | Diopter, yes |
| 20:42.26 | Artemis3 | synaptic is nice (as long as you don't dist-upgrade :), what is the problem you have? |
| 20:42.48 | Diopter | rrrr: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 20:43.08 | Rotaerk_ | well for instance, in the repositories screen, in the Debian Software tab, there's a checkbox labeled "Officially supported (main)" |
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| 20:43.19 | Rotaerk_ | it won't check when I click it, but it's not greyed out |
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| 20:43.35 | Rotaerk_ | as long as Main Server is selected as the "download from" |
| 20:43.41 | Mr_Queue | Rotaerk_: do you know what file that option writes to? |
| 20:44.00 | Rotaerk_ | not sure; I think sources.list |
| 20:44.05 | Mr_Queue | Indeed |
| 20:44.09 | Rotaerk_ | at least that's one of the files managed by this tool |
| 20:44.35 | Rotaerk_ | also, if I go into the Download From dropdown and choose Other, I get a dialog to choose a mirror |
| 20:44.52 | Mr_Queue | have a look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:45.18 | Mr_Queue | You can write the whole thing by hand like most here have done. |
| 20:45.18 | Rotaerk_ | but if I select the mirror, and then click Choose Server, the dialog closes, and nothing has changed in the screen I opened the dialog from |
| 20:45.36 | Rotaerk_ | I may end up doing that, I'm just answering your question of what problem I'm having with synaptic |
| 20:45.57 | Mr_Queue | Bug report that, but I can't remember the last time I looked at a gui package manager... seriously. |
| 20:45.58 | rrrr | Diopter, I got the message -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 20:46.13 | Diopter | rrrr: You need to do it as root. It's a systemwide setting. |
| 20:46.31 | Mr_Queue | Rotaerk_: So what are you after here, we can help you quickly get that done off the CLI... |
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| 20:46.58 | rrrr | Diopter, sudo is not recognized as well |
| 20:47.02 | _aeris_ | hi #debian |
| 20:47.14 | Mr_Queue | sup _aeris_ |
| 20:47.17 | _aeris_ | where i can download package in NEW ? |
| 20:47.22 | abrotman | you cannot |
| 20:47.22 | Mr_Queue | huh? |
| 20:47.30 | _aeris_ | seems lxc need live-debconfig_4.0~a1-1_all.deb but no way to dl it =( |
| 20:47.30 | Rotaerk_ | Mr_Queue, well I need to install a .deb. I know a one-off install is probably easy using dpkg, but I was going to try to setup a local folder as a repository so that I could just drop any .deb files in there and install via synaptic |
| 20:47.39 | sneex | package selection works in the cd netinstallers but not the hude dvd lol |
| 20:47.42 | Rotaerk_ | but it seems this tool is crap for now |
| 20:47.45 | rrrr | Diopter, how do I log as root? |
| 20:47.49 | Mr_Queue | Rotaerk_: don't do that. |
| 20:47.49 | uiopqwer | Diopter: no luck with "nomodeset". bootup still crashes. |
| 20:47.50 | sneex | hge* |
| 20:47.53 | dvs | O_O |
| 20:48.07 | Diopter | rrrr: "su -", enter the root password. |
| 20:48.07 | Rotaerk_ | Mr_Queue, well apart from the tool itself not working as intended, why not? |
| 20:48.18 | _aeris_ | rx |
| 20:48.20 | dvs | waits for the question |
| 20:48.30 | _aeris_ | lxc package is totally unusable on wheezy |
| 20:48.45 | Mr_Queue | You'll turn your Debian machine into a non-debian machine prett quickly.. |
| 20:48.58 | _aeris_ | need some removed package on testing, some new package on unstable >< |
| 20:49.06 | Mr_Queue | Just add the package you've either made or downloaded to dpkg by hand. |
| 20:49.44 | Rotaerk_ | k |
| 20:49.58 | Mr_Queue | What is that, 'check-install' that can manage those 3rd party debs? |
| 20:50.07 | Mr_Queue | I forget, I don't do many of them. |
| 20:50.11 | rrrr | Diopter, is it necessary to reboot in order to see the effects? |
| 20:50.27 | Diopter | rrrr: Not sure. I didn't think so. |
| 20:50.27 | Rotaerk_ | in this case it's a citrix client |
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| 20:50.46 | Rotaerk_ | doesn't seem to exist in the standard repository; proprietary I think |
| 20:50.47 | uiopqwer | Diopter: :D i used nomodeset and booted with an older kernel. i have a prompt now! i guess i'll follow this now: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/#Sid |
| 20:51.02 | rrrr | Diopter, ok, Doing that now. Not sure if it worked yet. |
| 20:51.22 | Diopter | uiopqwer: woo! |
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| 21:04.57 | scotepi | whats a tool for testing LAN bandwidth? |
| 21:06.14 | abrotman | testing how ? |
| 21:06.21 | ManoftheSea | wanem |
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| 21:06.49 | scotepi | i know like 5 years ago or something i used a command line tool for client/server and it sent random data an gave a bandwith rating |
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| 21:12.08 | Mariiii | http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii240/Mari-SL/captcha.jpg |
| 21:12.51 | scotepi | rofl, $1.25 per 1000 |
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| 21:13.08 | Mariiii | anyone heard of it? does it work? |
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| 21:13.47 | scotepi | probobly but who would want to help spammers and botters? |
| 21:13.47 | abrotman | heard of what? |
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| 21:14.42 | abrotman | Mariiii: how is this related to Debian ? |
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| 21:16.19 | Diopter | scotepi: iperf |
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| 21:16.54 | scotepi_ | grr my network issue was my desktop not connecting at gig >< but if i plug my laptop into the same plug it connects as gig |
| 21:17.01 | scotepi_ | off to ##windows >< |
| 21:17.14 | scotepi_ | thanks Diopter |
| 21:17.57 | uiopqwer | Diopter: added unstable to my sources.list and then upgraded fglrx. startx segfaults :( |
| 21:18.50 | Rotaerk_ | Mr_Queue, what do you normally use for standard non-third-party packages? |
| 21:18.52 | Rotaerk_ | aptitude? |
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| 21:19.19 | Diopter | uiopqwer: But can you at least get booted and logged in stably? |
| 21:20.00 | Diopter | Rotaerk_: I use aptitude for most things. I have lots of aliases for package management and querying |
| 21:21.25 | Rotaerk_ | hmm k |
| 21:21.55 | uiopqwer | Diopter: no, my system is still unbootable. the best i can do is get a root prompt when using "nomodeset" with an old kernel |
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| 21:24.18 | nsadmin | uiopqwer, when running "old kernel", what is uname -r? |
| 21:25.05 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:25.23 | nsadmin | ok, that's the official squeeze kernel |
| 21:25.46 | nsadmin | you imply you're running a kernel newer than that... |
| 21:26.01 | nsadmin | look at output of ls /lib/modules |
| 21:26.11 | nsadmin | you should see dirs named for uname -r |
| 21:26.27 | nsadmin | how many? and do you see the one you posted just now? |
| 21:27.01 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: yeah, i have a wheezy box. normally i boot into 3.2.0-3-686. i also have 3.2.0-2-686 and 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 21:27.28 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: the problem is that i stupidly did a full upgrade recently, which messed up my fglrx driver, so now i can no longer boot into my system |
| 21:28.08 | nsadmin | and really, it's that you can't get into X and the rest (like commandline in console) does work? |
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| 21:29.09 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: boot up crashes. the best i can do is at "nomodeset" to my 2.6.32-5-686's kernel line in grub, which will give me a "give root password for maintance" which drops me into a root prompt |
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| 21:30.01 | nsadmin | uiopqwer, so you can only boot the second grub menu line edited to also have nomodeset? |
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| 21:31.09 | Vasistha | I'm looking for a simple CLI tone generator. Any recommendations? |
| 21:31.25 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: sorry, i don't understand |
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| 21:31.40 | frostschutz | Vasistha: sox |
| 21:32.04 | Vasistha | thanks, frostschutz |
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| 21:33.36 | nsadmin | uiopqwer, ok, sorry... so when you install a kernel and in that process grub is updated, it puts two lines in the menu for each kernel... the first is for normal booting using that kernel and the second is maintainance mode |
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| 21:34.04 | Vasistha | frostschutz: this is very complicated - care to give me a one-liner to output a 440Hz sine wave via alsa? |
| 21:34.10 | nsadmin | so you mean the second of two 2.6.32 menu lines |
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| 21:34.32 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: right. :) i'm adding "nomodeset" to the 2.6.32's safe mode kernel line |
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| 21:35.08 | nsadmin | and you can't boot the other kernels using that? |
| 21:36.04 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: i can't boot 3.2.0-3-686 using that. i haven't tried 3.2.0-2-686 |
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| 21:36.48 | frostschutz | Vasistha: man page has examples... try play -n synth sin 440 |
| 21:37.05 | Vasistha | frostschutz: oh that's perfect - thank you so much |
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| 21:38.23 | enyawix | did debian switch to pulse only sound support? i have no sound after upgrade |
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| 21:38.37 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: i've hopefully upgraded all my fglrx packages, now that i have unstable in my sources.list (i also added Default-Release: "testing" to my /etc/apt/apt.conf). will i need to generate a new x conf file now? |
| 21:38.49 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: startx currently segfaults |
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| 21:47.38 | nsadmin | wouldn't be a bad thing to try |
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| 21:55.38 | Rotaerk_ | hmm why is aptitude saying that ia32-libs is a dependency for this package, but if I go to the Packages screen and search for ia32, it doesn't show up |
| 21:56.10 | dvs | ,v ia32-libs |
| 21:56.11 | judd | No package named 'ia32-libs' was found in i386. |
| 21:56.19 | dvs | didn't think so |
| 21:56.28 | abrotman | for what package? |
| 21:56.52 | Rotaerk_ | oh I see... the search feature is per category |
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| 21:57.00 | Rotaerk_ | so I have to go down to libs for it to find it |
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| 21:57.59 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: well, i seem to have made some progress. my system will boot now, but not into a gdm login prompt--just the plain ol' command prompt |
| 21:58.13 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: not sure what i need to do to get my fglrx driver working again |
| 21:58.38 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: "aticonfig --initial" fails because no supported adapters are found |
| 21:58.45 | Rotaerk_ | oh, nevermind, I'm doing it wrong, that's all |
| 21:58.49 | Rotaerk_ | had to hit Find Again |
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| 22:23.53 | nsadmin | uiopqwer, I think fglrx needs libs and such |
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| 22:24.16 | sneex | both kfreebsd i386 and amd64 as well as dvd and netinstaller fo b1 DI are bad :P |
| 22:24.31 | sneex | for* |
| 22:24.46 | abrotman | sneex: you should probably tell people that can fix it |
| 22:24.52 | abrotman | though i'm skeptical .. which ISO did you use? |
| 22:25.25 | sneex | I downloaded the DI wheezy Beta 1 disks -- all of the for i386 and amd64 |
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| 22:25.36 | sneex | them* |
| 22:25.41 | abrotman | let me give it a whirl |
| 22:25.50 | sneex | I'll get new ones on Monday |
| 22:26.02 | uiopqwer | nsadmin: i'm attempting to do a aptitude install ~nxserver-xorg, ~-nradeon, and ~-nfglrx. i have a feeling it's going to be a long night :'( |
| 22:26.13 | nsadmin | sneex, what's the first thing that's bad about them that you observed? |
| 22:26.15 | abrotman | uiopqwer: you want the 'xorg' package |
| 22:26.31 | uiopqwer | abrotman: okay, i'll add that to the list :) |
| 22:26.49 | sneex | the kfreebsd has no way to do package selection -- been that way three weeks now |
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| 22:27.10 | abrotman | sneex: give me a moment |
| 22:27.19 | sneex | so now I am doing a plain i386 DI Beta1 |
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| 22:27.20 | abrotman | uiopqwer: you use 'xorg' instead of 'xserver-xorg' |
| 22:27.25 | sneex | no rush |
| 22:27.34 | abrotman | plain, you mean linux ? |
| 22:27.39 | nsadmin | ok, so if you can't select packages, does the installer install debian and can you then boot it? |
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| 22:28.01 | sneex | debian Beta 1 DI wheezy not kfreebsd |
| 22:28.15 | dizzylizzy | tracker-miner-fs is taking up all of my RAM and has been for over an hour now, making my computer almost unusable |
| 22:28.18 | uiopqwer | abrotman: oh, what's the difference? |
| 22:28.37 | abrotman | uiopqwer: 'xorg' is the correct one |
| 22:28.42 | abrotman | looks at eir ... |
| 22:28.43 | sneex | the netinstall look like it would work but it gave me rl0 issues |
| 22:28.52 | abrotman | sneex: just be patient .. it's booting now |
| 22:28.58 | sneex | kk |
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| 22:29.29 | uiopqwer | abrotman: haha. okay. thanks! |
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| 22:31.04 | abrotman | sneex: seems fine so far |
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| 22:32.08 | dizzylizzy | this is not the first time I have had a computer lock up on me with high CPU and RAM usage for hours if not days on end because of tracker-miner |
| 22:32.43 | sneex | package selection is a no go; it has a bad symlink to aptsomething ~ or other |
| 22:33.12 | abrotman | sneex: BE PATIENT |
| 22:33.42 | sneex | debian wheezy beta 1 DI is past the package selection step :P |
| 22:33.43 | abrotman | you're the only person i've seen complaining about it being broken .. let someone else test it |
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| 22:33.51 | xispirito | selinux in debian appears to be much restrictive or don't work, because when i set setenforce 1, the X don't up anymore, networkmanager don't work, gdm too... |
| 22:34.53 | nsadmin | xispirito, if X doesn't start, probably anything that uses X (like gdm) wouldn't work either |
| 22:35.01 | sneex | I have done over 20 installs for Wheezy kfreebsd and some plain i386 and most if not all have that apt issue last three spins |
| 22:35.05 | uiopqwer | xispirito: in my experience, selinux causes all sorts of trouble. do you really need it? |
| 22:35.26 | abrotman | sneex: if you don't stop, i'm going to stop looking at it |
| 22:35.38 | xispirito | nsadmin, is strange, because on boot, gdm shows the mouse pointer, but thats it, startx don't work at all |
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| 22:36.05 | sneex | I'm stopping and will get a new set of cds dvds etc Monday -- we can discuss next Sunday |
| 22:36.06 | xispirito | uiopqwer, i like to set permission, even to root |
| 22:36.14 | abrotman | no |
| 22:37.01 | abrotman | sneex: works fine for me to configure apt .. not sure what you're doing wrong |
| 22:37.29 | sneex | hums to himself :P |
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| 22:37.57 | abrotman | sneex: you're doing something wrong .. my VM is installing packages just fine |
| 22:38.11 | sneex | kfreebsd? |
| 22:38.20 | jair | hello all I know I may get the answer for this one in google but I have a question about the answer, can I set the profile for a directory to a program like the "platform-tools" in the sdk for ansdroid e.g. /home/jair/android-sdk/platform-tools/adb so I can run "adb" from wherever I am on the bash shell and linux filesystem? |
| 22:38.26 | sneex | off DI or the one just made Aug 6th? |
| 22:38.27 | abrotman | sneex: yes .. |
| 22:38.30 | abrotman | the beta1 |
| 22:38.31 | sneex | kk |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | sneex: so whatever you're doing, you're doing it wrong |
| 22:38.43 | sneex | I will go away then cya :) |
| 22:38.51 | abrotman | promise? |
| 22:38.54 | abrotman | we won't see you for a week ? |
| 22:39.10 | sneex | I am only installing them from scratch nothing special |
| 22:39.24 | jair | if I run now the command ./adb I need to be on the directory => /home/jair/android-sdk/platform-tools/ |
| 22:39.33 | abrotman | sneex: perhaps it's the mirror you're choosing ? |
| 22:39.53 | jair | so to set the path temporary not permanent I know I have to do export something? |
| 22:39.54 | sneex | Im choosing ftp.us.debian.org directly |
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| 22:40.02 | abrotman | sneex: i *never* use ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 22:40.18 | nsadmin | xispirito, probably you have to configure things to allow what you want... you're saying x, gdm and network manager won't start only when set enforce to true (otherwise all will, yes?) |
| 22:40.26 | xispirito | jair, add these directory /home/jair/android-sdk/platform-tools to you PATH variable, in ~/.bashrc |
| 22:40.37 | sneex | I'll just was the cartoons on console 4 |
| 22:40.41 | xispirito | nsadmin, that's it |
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| 22:40.57 | abrotman | sneex: seems like it's a PEBCAK |
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| 22:41.18 | nsadmin | xispirito, so (obviously) selinux is what's doing all those things |
| 22:41.20 | sneex | lol |
| 22:41.31 | xispirito | nsadmin, that's i already know =D |
| 22:42.01 | jair | xispirito: but I can run a command right from the terminal to create a variable path just to run one application right? |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | sneex: it's not amusing .. you've been rambling in here for a few weeks .. and it seems like it's YOUR fault, not hte d-i |
| 22:42.57 | nsadmin | thought so... so after that, it's exploration of selinux and also those items, the former to add configuration to, the latter to determine specifically what items need to be configured in selinux |
| 22:43.07 | jair | xispirito: I mean without messing with the users profiles etc... |
| 22:43.26 | abrotman | sneex: install finished fine except for the bootloader, which is a virtualbox issue |
| 22:43.34 | sneex | doesnt matter ... one day the D-I will do it my way. I'm done rambling |
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| 22:43.45 | abrotman | permamently? promise? |
| 22:43.45 | xispirito | jair, if your don't want to touch PATH variable, you can create a link in /usr/local/bin directory, when root: ln -s /home/jair... /usr/local/bin |
| 22:43.57 | Rotaerk_ | hmm... if aptitude is demanding to remove a package, is there a way to smack it and say no |
| 22:44.18 | Rotaerk_ | I want to add a different package without removing that, but a commit as is would add AND remove |
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| 22:44.23 | SiDz | --set-selection Rotaerk_ |
| 22:44.27 | wonderworld | i long time ago i should fix a server box. nothing worked as expected. until i found out (after hours) , that selinux was running. |
| 22:44.47 | xispirito | jair, or, you can create a alias: alias adb="path to adb" ... have many ways |
| 22:45.33 | nsadmin | sneex, maybe not :) abrotman has proven he can install packages and select them, and only from the installer... so you need to figure out either what is the difference in the exact steps the two of you did, or figure out independentaly what's wrong with the steps you took |
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| 22:46.22 | abrotman | i think we're done with this topic .. |
| 22:46.35 | jair | xispirito: yas that is what I was looking for creating an alias, then after I log out or restart my linux machine the alias goes away correcct? |
| 22:46.45 | xispirito | jair, yes |
| 22:47.01 | sneex | well in other world I was tend to agree but in this one I am the one wrong everyone else is right so I will keep quit and allow it to stay how it is :) |
| 22:47.01 | xispirito | you have to store them on your ~/.bashrc to stick with them |
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| 22:48.14 | jair | xispirito: perfect thank you so much for the help and orientation |
| 22:48.27 | qmr | anyone know how to configure sylpheed claws to send from different addresses? |
| 22:48.29 | xispirito | jair, fell welcome |
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| 23:01.54 | k-man | what is the debian way to install a recent kernel? |
| 23:02.19 | abrotman | which do you have? which do you want? |
| 23:03.05 | k-man | i have 3.2 on wheezy, i'd like to try out 3.6rc |
| 23:03.41 | nkuttler | !tell k-man about kp |
| 23:03.52 | abrotman | k-man: you can see what's in experimental |
| 23:04.19 | k-man | abrotman, ah thats an interesting ide |
| 23:04.21 | k-man | idea |
| 23:04.45 | k-man | nkuttler, thanks |
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| 23:09.08 | Oliver` | How would I go about adding an entire /64 IPv6 subnet to eth0 instead of adding single addresses manually? |
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| 23:09.41 | abrotman | Oliver`: with a script perhaps? |
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| 23:10.19 | Oliver` | abrotman: I have no idea. |
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| 23:22.27 | Rotaerk_ | hmm odd, finally got the citrix client installed with all dependencies resolved, but when I try to run it, it can't find libXm.so.4 |
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| 23:23.20 | Rotaerk_ | ah, I see. |
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| 23:43.29 | jair | I am pretty new to editing and understanding the path in the bash shell in linux, so I have this directory => /android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools/ inside there is a file I execute with ./adb --help |
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| 23:45.13 | jair | if I run that command with the full path it works or if I cd to the full path directory location |
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| 23:45.19 | jair | it works too |
| 23:45.21 | Diopter | jair: The path is an environment variable, "PATH", which is a colon-separated collection of paths. |
| 23:45.33 | Diopter | jair: Like, PATH=$PATH:/some/new/path |
| 23:45.59 | Diopter | You might want to quote it for improved robustness: PATH="$PATH:/some/new/path" |
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| 23:46.22 | jair | Diopter: so i put this in my .bashrc --> PATH=/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:"${PATH}" |
| 23:46.51 | Diopter | That can work too, though you want to put "export" in front of it |
| 23:46.54 | Diopter | Sans quotes. |
| 23:47.01 | jair | but I am not able to run the ./adb from wherever I go in the bash shell |
| 23:47.06 | Diopter | ^ |
| 23:47.39 | jair | ^ quotes in front of where? |
| 23:47.49 | Diopter | That can work too, though you want to put "export" in front of it <- |
| 23:47.53 | Diopter | without the quotes |
| 23:48.11 | Diopter | I.e., export PATH=/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:"${PATH}" |
| 23:48.31 | Diopter | Also, you don't need the ${ } around PATH. |
| 23:48.33 | jair | Diopter: that is if I do it from the terminal and will not be save correct? |
| 23:48.46 | Diopter | No, that's if you do it from .bashrc. |
| 23:48.54 | jair | ok let me try again |
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| 23:49.22 | jair | so like this: export PATH=/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools |
| 23:49.41 | Diopter | You're missing the addition of the existing path. |
| 23:49.45 | jair | Diopter: and where I will put the san quotas? |
| 23:50.01 | Diopter | No... you're apparently confused. Ignore the quotes comment. |
| 23:50.19 | Diopter | export PATH="/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:$PATH" |
| 23:50.27 | jair | ok |
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| 23:50.32 | jair | let me try that |
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| 23:51.05 | Rotaerk_ | hmm, this citrix client is looking for libXm.so.4; I installed a package that provides that file; I see the file in /usr/lib |
| 23:51.16 | Rotaerk_ | is there something I need to do to allow the citrix client to see it |
| 23:51.27 | jair | Diopter: OK jair@jairusan:~$ echo $PATH |
| 23:51.27 | jair | /android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 23:51.37 | Diopter | jair: Run adb. |
| 23:51.39 | jair | this is looking good let me run the fine |
| 23:51.42 | jair | file |
| 23:51.51 | Diopter | jair: don't run "./adb", just "adb" |
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| 23:52.33 | jair | :( http://paste.debian.net/183196/ |
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| 23:52.49 | jair | Diopter: do I need to change the permissions on adb maybe |
| 23:52.53 | jair | let me check |
| 23:53.38 | jair | Diopter: hmm -> -rwxr-xr-x 1 jair jair 204436 Jul 17 02:21 adb |
| 23:53.47 | jair | I should be able to run it |
| 23:54.55 | Diopter | jair: Paste me the output of: ls -la /android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools |
| 23:55.03 | Diopter | Not here, on the site |
| 23:55.07 | jair | Diopter: if I run it like this it works ==> http://paste.debian.net/183197/ |
| 23:55.19 | Diopter | Yes, I'm sure it does. |
| 23:55.35 | Diopter | Aha. |
| 23:55.36 | jair | Diopter: ok I will paste the results hold on please |
| 23:55.44 | Diopter | I see what you're doing wrong |
| 23:55.50 | Diopter | It's *not* in / |
| 23:55.52 | Diopter | It's in ~/ |
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| 23:56.18 | Diopter | Go modify your PATH line to be PATH="~/blah blah..:$PATH" |
| 23:56.45 | jair | Diopter: http://paste.debian.net/183198/ |
| 23:56.55 | jair | ok |
| 23:56.56 | Diopter | Yeah. Exactly |
| 23:57.07 | Diopter | You were using /android-sdk-r20/blah/blah |
| 23:57.18 | Diopter | But / is not the same as ~/ |
| 23:57.25 | Diopter | ~ expands to /home/<your username> |
| 23:58.27 | jair | so PATH="~/home/jair/... or PATH="/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools":$PATH" |
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| 23:58.39 | jair | so PATH="~/home/jair/... or PATH="~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools":$PATH" |
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| 23:59.22 | Diopter | The last one. The others are all wrong :P |
| 23:59.31 | Diopter | Or, ="/home/jair/..." |
| 23:59.36 | Diopter | ~ = /home/<your user> |
| 23:59.53 | Diopter | So you can use either ~/..., or /home/<user>/... |
| 23:59.57 | Diopter | Not ~/home/ |
