| 00:00.22 | jair | hold on this is what I have: export PATH="~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:$PATH" |
| 00:00.31 | jair | is that correct? |
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| 00:00.49 | Diopter | Yes. It's one of two possible solutions :P |
| 00:00.56 | jair | ok |
| 00:01.02 | jair | let me check if that works now |
| 00:01.03 | gotmynick | ~ between quotes uses to do not expand |
| 00:01.18 | Diopter | gotmynick: Bah. You're right. Wasn't thinking about that. |
| 00:01.34 | gotmynick | try echo "~" Vs echo ~ |
| 00:01.45 | gotmynick | or Vs echo "$HOME" |
| 00:02.06 | Diopter | gotmynick: Of course. I'm well aware, I just wasn't considering it |
| 00:02.08 | jair | very cool |
| 00:02.13 | jair | Diopter: it does works now |
| 00:02.14 | Diopter | gotmynick: Too busy marveling at jair not understanding xD |
| 00:02.15 | jair | perfectly |
| 00:02.26 | Diopter | jair: Cool. Glad to hear it |
| 00:02.42 | jair | and I understand the difference between echo "~" and echo ~ |
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| 00:02.52 | jair | hahaha |
| 00:03.21 | jair | thanks for the patience once jair understands he understand it and gets it :) |
| 00:03.50 | Diopter | Cool, np |
| 00:04.00 | jair | Diopter: thank you so much now I can continue with the project I am working on in developing and working with my android device on debian linux |
| 00:04.01 | gotmynick | also note: if you add a path at the beginning, each time a program runs in the system, will search such directory first |
| 00:04.37 | gotmynick | if you don't want to over-ride system programs, adding a path, makes more sense at the end of PATH |
| 00:04.43 | jair | gotmynick: does this mean that may make my system slower? |
| 00:05.01 | gotmynick | unless the system runs more times the custom path programs, than system programs |
| 00:05.03 | jair | gotmynick: at the end of PATH? |
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| 00:05.07 | gotmynick | only a few stats |
| 00:05.17 | gotmynick | not very important with nowadays I/O |
| 00:05.26 | jair | gotmynick: I want to understand what you mean about the end of PATH? |
| 00:05.45 | gotmynick | strace any program call |
| 00:05.49 | Diopter | jair: PATH=$PATH:... vs PATH=...:$PATH |
| 00:05.53 | jair | I am appending the .bashrc file so this line is at the end of the file |
| 00:05.59 | gotmynick | you will see the system searching it in PATH, from left to right |
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| 00:06.24 | gotmynick | cp, rm. mv, whatever |
| 00:06.59 | jair | gotmynick: but right now this is the line: export PATH="~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:$PATH" |
| 00:07.14 | jair | should I change the $PATH to the beginning? |
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| 00:07.39 | gotmynick | not really noticeable nowadays |
| 00:08.01 | jair | export PATH=$PATH"~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools |
| 00:08.16 | gotmynick | the system will stat programs into PATH from left to right |
| 00:08.23 | gotmynick | you did forget the ':' |
| 00:08.27 | Diopter | jair: It's best-practice to do so, yes. |
| 00:08.32 | jair | but I want to understand what you are talking about with is important if I am using a lot of transactions or processes in a linux system |
| 00:08.57 | jair | export PATH=$PATH":~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools |
| 00:09.05 | jair | gotmynick: like that? |
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| 00:09.18 | jair | yes I want to do best practices :) |
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| 00:09.24 | gotmynick | unpaired quote |
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| 00:09.28 | jair | thank you for mentioning that guys |
| 00:09.42 | jair | export PATH=$PATH":~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools" |
| 00:09.52 | jair | gotmynick: that now is paired |
| 00:10.02 | Diopter | lol |
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| 00:10.09 | jair | is that correct now? |
| 00:10.10 | gotmynick | ~ into quotes does not expand |
| 00:10.14 | Diopter | Just... leave out the quotes. You're not quite getting where they should go or why |
| 00:10.26 | gotmynick | agree |
| 00:10.30 | jair | ok |
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| 00:10.46 | gotmynick | at the beginning, only makes sense if you want to override system programs, or if it's going to be called more than all system commands into PATH |
| 00:10.48 | jair | export PATH=$PATH:~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools |
| 00:10.58 | Diopter | There you go. |
| 00:11.03 | Diopter | Now don't touch it, and enjoy :P |
| 00:11.03 | gotmynick | try and see :) |
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| 00:11.07 | jair | ok |
| 00:11.43 | jair | I still get this though :( jair@jairusan:~$ echo $PATH |
| 00:11.44 | jair | ~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 00:11.57 | Diopter | Because you didn't re-login. |
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| 00:12.02 | Diopter | Just run "exec /bin/bash" |
| 00:12.11 | jair | ok |
| 00:13.02 | jair | worst :( jair@jairusan:~$ echo $PATH |
| 00:13.03 | jair | ~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 00:13.13 | Diopter | lol. Just relogin. |
| 00:13.16 | jair | ok |
| 00:13.20 | Diopter | It's keeping your environment. |
| 00:13.27 | Diopter | But make sure you Did modify And save .bashrc |
| 00:13.31 | Diopter | Because it's prepending |
| 00:13.40 | Diopter | Looks like maybe you didn't fix/save the changes |
| 00:13.56 | jair | hmmm |
| 00:14.35 | jair | guys I am so sorry I am slaping myself I forgot to :wq! |
| 00:14.38 | jair | in vim |
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| 00:15.26 | jair | this is frustrating.... I saved the changes do I need to log out from all my applications and then log in again? |
| 00:15.46 | Diopter | Nope |
| 00:16.10 | ManoftheSea | jair: In vim, you can also "ZZ" to save/quit |
| 00:16.31 | jair | this is what I saved: export PATH=$PATH:~/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools |
| 00:16.37 | jair | that is correct right? |
| 00:16.50 | Diopter | Mmhmm |
| 00:16.59 | jair | ManoftheSea: thank you |
| 00:17.21 | jair | jair@jairusan:~$ echo $PATH |
| 00:17.21 | jair | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/home/jair/android-sdk-r20/android-sdk-linux/platform-tools |
| 00:17.24 | jair | it is correct |
| 00:17.43 | Diopter | Yay |
| 00:17.50 | jair | thank you so very much guys for your patience now I understand |
| 00:18.08 | jair | I mean I got it right I need dive deeper into this to understand |
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| 00:18.25 | jair | thank you so so much! Diopter and gotmynick |
| 00:19.00 | Diopter | Np. Enjoy |
| 00:19.29 | jair | Thank you! |
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| 00:19.48 | gotmynick | have fun |
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| 00:34.25 | Oliver` | IPv6 is configured and working on this machine, yet, after a certain amount of time (20-30 minutes or so) it will simply stop working, and I can only get: connect: Network is unreachable |
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| 00:37.09 | graham1 | hey, my transmission daemon has suddenly gone down? was worknig an hour ago? my shell is still up. im a linux noob. help much appreciated |
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| 00:37.48 | Rotaerk_ | is there something I need to do to allow an .so file to be found by an application that uses it |
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| 00:45.27 | Rotaerk_ | oh I see... although the citrix client package was labeled as being for 64 bit, the wfcmgr binary is actually 32-bit... |
| 00:45.35 | Rotaerk_ | and the library it's trying to use is 64-bit |
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| 00:45.45 | Rotaerk_ | lame.. |
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| 00:46.58 | graham1 | how do i start a service (transmission-daemon)? |
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| 00:53.59 | simonlnu | !invoke-rc.d |
| 00:53.59 | dpkg | invoke-rc.d is probably a way of starting or stopping daemons such as a mail server, cron, etc. invoke-rc.d has advantages over running the init script directly in that it is easier to tab complete, it will play nicely with dependency-based init systems like <insserv> and <upstart>. It can also be controlled with a <policy-rc.d> script. invoke-rc.d *must* be used in maintainer scripts -- see policy s9.3.3.2. |
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| 01:00.03 | Oliver` | IPv6 is configured and working on this machine, yet, after a certain amount of time (20-30 minutes or so) it will simply stop working, and I can only get: connect: Network is unreachable |
| 01:00.16 | Oliver` | I have no idea as to how I should diagnose the issue, so any help would be appreciated. |
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| 01:03.42 | Rotaerk_ | hmm is running 32-bit binaries on 64-bit version of linux not as ... trivial as it is in Windows? |
| 01:04.03 | Rotaerk_ | this "64 bit" citrix client, isn't actually 64-bit, but it does depend on ia32-libs |
| 01:04.06 | nsadmin | Oliver` is someone in the laundry room steppin on your cable? |
| 01:04.16 | Rotaerk_ | which I'm guessing is some way of adapting a 32-bit application to a 64-bit environment |
| 01:04.23 | abrotman | Oliver`: is dhcp somehow reassigning addresses |
| 01:04.33 | Oliver` | abrotman: I am using a static address. |
| 01:04.51 | abrotman | yes .. but a dhcp process could be running later |
| 01:04.55 | Oliver` | nsadmin: Ha, but, no. It is in a datacentre. A reboot fixes the issue, until it happens again. |
| 01:05.10 | Oliver` | abrotman: How would I check for this? |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | look in logs perhaps |
| 01:05.25 | Dagger2 | Oliver`: are you firewalling ICMPv6? |
| 01:05.59 | Oliver` | Dagger2: No. |
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| 01:08.02 | Dagger2 | well, I don't have any more bright ideas beyond that |
| 01:09.12 | Oliver` | Well, thanks anyway. |
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| 01:09.57 | gotmynick | maybe it's low level ? |
| 01:10.21 | gotmynick | do you see the gateway mac with arp -an when it "stop working" ? |
| 01:10.29 | abrotman | the dhcp thing is entirely possible, check the logs |
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| 01:11.45 | Oliver` | gotmynick: Output: http://i.shall.undo.it/a.txt |
| 01:12.23 | Dagger2 | IPv6 neighbour table entries will be in `ip -6 n` |
| 01:12.39 | Oliver` | abrotman: Only mentions of dhcp/DHCP in /var/log/* are for apt. |
| 01:12.41 | Oliver` | Or dpkg. |
| 01:12.54 | Oliver` | Dagger2: No output from that command. |
| 01:13.15 | Rotaerk_ | ahh I see... |
| 01:13.35 | Rotaerk_ | in order to run 32-bit binaries in 64-bit linux you have to have ia32-libs |
| 01:13.59 | Rotaerk_ | so citrix's "for 64-bit systems" package isn't a 64-bit client, just a 32-bit client with the package having the appropriate dependencies setup to make sure you install ia32-libs... |
| 01:14.22 | cardamon | Rotaerk_: OR...you can enable multiarch. |
| 01:14.35 | Rotaerk_ | what is that |
| 01:14.40 | Dagger2 | there should be; I guess try it again after a reboot and while doing some v6 traffic, and you should see your default router in there |
| 01:14.56 | Rotaerk_ | part of the kernel? |
| 01:14.59 | Rotaerk_ | or what |
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| 01:15.32 | Dagger2 | in which case v6 is probably not working because your default router isn't in the neighbour table anymore... but the usual reason for that is filtering ICMPv6 |
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| 01:15.47 | Oliver` | Dagger2: I'll give it a go -- I'll join from another shell. |
| 01:15.55 | cardamon | !tell Rotaerk_ multiarch |
| 01:16.16 | Rotaerk_ | whoever you told to tell me, didn't listen |
| 01:16.36 | abrotman | he left out about |
| 01:16.36 | cardamon | Well, I don't know how to work the bots consitently. |
| 01:16.53 | cardamon | !tell Rotaerk_ about multiarch |
| 01:16.59 | Rotaerk_ | heh |
| 01:17.10 | Rotaerk_ | that worked |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | twice ... |
| 01:17.43 | Rotaerk_ | why'd I get it twice |
| 01:17.52 | ManoftheSea | Johnsonville |
| 01:17.54 | Oliver`` | Dagger2: http://i.shall.undo.it/b.txt |
| 01:17.59 | abrotman | because i did it via msg, he did it in the channel |
| 01:18.02 | Rotaerk_ | ah. |
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| 01:18.52 | ManoftheSea | oh, Jessie is next testing? |
| 01:18.55 | ManoftheSea | cool |
| 01:19.05 | Oliver`` | As you can see, it works (for now.) |
| 01:19.05 | ManoftheSea | I may stay on that forever. |
| 01:19.11 | Dagger2 | Oliver``: I expect they'll disappear after 20-30 minutes. your job is to work out why |
| 01:19.17 | ManoftheSea | who is Jessie's girl? |
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| 01:19.27 | Oliver`` | Dagger2: Indeed -- how would I go about doing this? |
| 01:19.35 | cardamon | Why can't I find a woman like that? |
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| 01:20.52 | Dagger2 | Oliver``: I've never had this particular problem before, so I'm not entirely sure... I guess I'd try tcpdump to make sure NDP is working |
| 01:21.04 | Dagger2 | and do double-check your firewall |
| 01:22.34 | Rotaerk_ | woot, citrix client works now |
| 01:22.41 | Rotaerk_ | spent most of the day on this >_> |
| 01:22.53 | Rotaerk_ | though learned a decent amount about packages and architectures in the process |
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| 01:24.08 | Oliver`` | Dagger2: tcpdump works, what should I be looking for to verify that NDP is working? iptables currently has no rules set. |
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| 01:25.45 | Oliver`` | You'll have to excuse me, I know absolutely nothing about networking. |
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| 01:27.11 | Dagger2 | it should show up with `tcpdump -ni eth0 icmp6`, lines containing 'neighbor solicitation' and 'neighbor advertisment' |
| 01:28.31 | Oliver`` | Dagger2: Lines containing both of those things are appearing. |
| 01:29.08 | Dagger2 | one other thing I can think of... how are you setting your default route? is it via RA, and if so are you turning forwarding on at any point? (`sysctl -a | grep ipv6.+\\\.forward`, should be =0 or maybe =2 for RAs to be accepted) |
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| 01:30.50 | rue_shop3 | for testing, is acroreader not avilable via non-free? |
| 01:31.12 | rue_shop3 | apt acroread |
| 01:31.12 | apt | acroread is probably Adobe Acrobat Reader for viewing and printing Adobe Portable Document Format (PDF) files. It also works well as a plugin for the glibc2 (libc6) version of Netscape 4.7x. Home Page: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html |
| 01:31.14 | Dagger2 | Oliver``: see if they're still being sent/received after things stop working |
| 01:31.37 | Oliver`` | Dagger2: I use a gateway line in /etc/network/interfaces, if that's what you're referring to. |
| 01:31.42 | Oliver`` | I can paste the entire file if necessary. |
| 01:31.44 | Oliver`` | Also, will do. |
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| 01:32.47 | Dagger2 | Oliver``: so your gateway should at least still be *set* (worth checking with `ip -6 r`), even if it's having trouble resolving the IP to a MAC address |
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| 01:33.24 | Oliver`` | Dagger2: It appears to be set, yes. |
| 01:33.43 | rue_shop3 | I cant get rid of epiphany without getting rid of gnome? |
| 01:33.49 | Dagger2 | Oliver``: check it stays set |
| 01:34.07 | Oliver`` | Dagger2: Okay. Would you check the output for me, just in case I am misunderstanding? |
| 01:34.42 | rue_shop3 | ok I'll just delete the epiphany executable |
| 01:36.04 | Dagger2 | Oliver``: sure |
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| 01:36.53 | rgenito | i setup a machine to be the DMZ, so eth0 is setup. however, i want eth1 to be the interface communicating with the rest of my internal network. |
| 01:37.26 | rgenito | right now i'm in /etc/network/interfaces setting up eth1 as a static ip... |
| 01:37.37 | rgenito | ...but i'm confused as to what i set the default gateway to |
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| 01:38.31 | rgenito | basically, won't that machine be the 'gateway' for others? in eth0 address 192.168.1.101 i have 192.168.1.1 as the gateway, but what should the gateway be for eth1 ? (address for eth1 is 192.168.2.1) |
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| 02:00.12 | kameron | is it possible to have one machine provide an X session for a completely separate set of keyboard/mouse/monitor? for multi users at once? |
| 02:00.42 | stonerfish | yes |
| 02:00.55 | kameron | can you point me in the right direction? |
| 02:01.12 | stonerfish | do you want multiple mouse to control one display? |
| 02:01.36 | stonerfish | Or one xserver sending data to multiple stations (display, mouse,keyboard) |
| 02:01.48 | kameron | stonerfish, two different displays with their own keyboard/mouse, their own x session |
| 02:01.54 | kameron | yes, multiple stations |
| 02:02.00 | stonerfish | and one xserver |
| 02:02.04 | stonerfish | yes |
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| 02:05.04 | stonerfish | what have you tried kameron. |
| 02:05.15 | stonerfish | What is your final goal |
| 02:05.29 | krababbel | isn't the naming different here, one x client and multiple servers in this case? |
| 02:05.32 | kameron | stonerfish, so far i've just been playing around with xorg.conf and the nvidia front-end for it |
| 02:06.02 | kameron | stonerfish, my goal is to have my usual desktop machine, and also my television running xbmc in a seperate x screen with a wireless mouse for on the couch |
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| 02:06.56 | kameron | stonerfish, multiseat seems to be the answer, looking into it now |
| 02:07.28 | stonerfish | I don't know what xbmc is yet, but you can multiseat without it. |
| 02:08.09 | kameron | stonerfish, xbmc is a media centre application |
| 02:08.28 | stonerfish | yeah I was just reading the "About" link |
| 02:08.41 | stonerfish | I hook a computer to my TV. |
| 02:08.55 | kameron | thats what im doing now, but in twinview. |
| 02:09.20 | stonerfish | Do you just want to share your mouse from one computer to teh other |
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| 02:09.36 | kameron | no. i only have one computer. |
| 02:10.46 | stonerfish | How is your tv going to run xmbc? |
| 02:10.57 | abrotman | kameron: what are you trying to od ? |
| 02:12.06 | stonerfish | I think Kameron has a tv and a monitor attached to computer |
| 02:12.07 | kameron | i have one computer. it has two monitor outputs on the video card. i want a separate x session for each monitor. additionally, i want a keyboard/mouse dedicated to each monitor. i'm looking into a thing called "multiseat" which can accomplish this i am told. |
| 02:12.26 | kameron | yes. i have a monitor and a tv attached right now, and working in twinview. |
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| 02:13.04 | abrotman | !tell kameron about multiseat |
| 02:13.41 | stonerfish | !tell stonerfish about multiseat |
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| 02:14.17 | gotmynick | !tell gotmynick about multiseat |
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| 02:14.49 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gotmynick about selftell |
| 02:15.28 | kameron | nice, abrotman |
| 02:15.37 | gotmynick | feels like a spammer |
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| 02:16.27 | stonerfish | Yes. Nice info |
| 02:17.22 | stonerfish | !tell stonerfish about selftell |
| 02:17.43 | stonerfish | oh oops |
| 02:17.45 | gotmynick | it could be more cool if multiple users could do startx instead of multiple gdm |
| 02:18.13 | Nikyo | Hi.. I appreciate everyone that is helping in this channel. |
| 02:18.36 | gnarface | gotmynick: i thought with proper environment variables ($DISPLAY) and enough keyboards/monitors, multiple users COULD use startx?? |
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| 02:18.48 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.13 | gnarface | but i did in fact think that was like |
| 02:19.19 | gnarface | the whole POINT behind X |
| 02:19.22 | gotmynick | the howto says "NOTE: Only the user on the first monitor has the use of vt consoles...etc" |
| 02:19.47 | gotmynick | I've never try it too |
| 02:19.54 | gnarface | gotmynick: 1) virtual consoles != X and 2) uh... that's per video card |
| 02:20.15 | rue_shop3 | in testing, what program is supposed to display files on the desktop |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | depends on your DE |
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| 02:20.43 | gnarface | gotmynick: so. what i'm saying is that while it might be hard to get multiple users to use one video card as separate X sessions, that should not be a limitation if you have at least 2 video cards |
| 02:20.51 | gnarface | gotmynick: (and two keyboards, mice, etc) |
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| 02:21.30 | gotmynick | I've just try two monitors in my life, never tried 2 of everything |
| 02:21.51 | rue_shop3 | DE? |
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| 02:22.02 | rue_shop3 | I think its gnome3 |
| 02:22.38 | abrotman | nautilus |
| 02:22.44 | gotmynick | go to nautilus -> /home/youruser/Dektop ? |
| 02:22.50 | gotmynick | Desktop |
| 02:23.07 | gnarface | well its one of those things; its core functionality for X11 but when it was designed that way nobody expected computers would ever get so cheap that everyone would be able to afford their own... so its a feature that's native and low level and architecturally embedded, but also almost never tested or documented, so your participation and feedback i'm sure would be appreciated (not that i represent them in any official or unoffic |
| 02:23.08 | gnarface | ial context... i just know what type of feedback i'd want if it WERE my project) |
| 02:23.27 | rue_shop3 | what should run nautilus to have it show the items on the desktop? |
| 02:24.14 | gotmynick | does not use gnome3 so can't help too much |
| 02:24.31 | rue_shop3 | dont go to gnome3 everything is broken |
| 02:25.08 | rue_shop3 | the first hurtle was that the defualt theme for metacity isn't installed |
| 02:25.20 | rue_shop3 | so everything looks huge and blocky |
| 02:25.26 | gotmynick | gnarface, maybe tomorrow I go to storage room and take some keyboard and mouse and try this, i'm just curious about it |
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| 02:26.14 | rue_shop3 | gnome3 dbus is all broken too |
| 02:26.25 | rue_shop3 | which ofcourse is a problem that ripples thru everything |
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| 02:28.04 | gotmynick | it seems all I find about multiseat is about X and not about tty |
| 02:28.08 | rue_shop3 | when nautilus starts, shouldn't it bring up the desktop contents? |
| 02:28.15 | abrotman | works fin ehere |
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| 02:32.21 | rue_shop3 | its worse than that jim! |
| 02:32.31 | comradekingu | what is the preferred method of getting the beta1 testing iso images onto a usb drive? |
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| 02:32.32 | Nikyo | @rue_shop3: nautilus show show the icons, even if you start it from just a window manager like say blackbox |
| 02:32.36 | rue_shop3 | it looks like gnome3 removed support to "put files on your desktop" |
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| 02:33.03 | abrotman | no |
| 02:33.06 | Nikyo | @rue_shop3: that may be the case.. |
| 02:33.07 | abrotman | i have it, works fin ehere |
| 02:33.07 | rue_shop3 | when I start nautilus, none of the contents of ~/Desktop/ show 'on the desktop' |
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| 02:33.13 | abrotman | it works perfectly fine |
| 02:33.19 | rue_shop3 | gnome 3? |
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| 02:33.44 | rue_shop3 | this is a fresh testing install |
| 02:34.01 | abrotman | yes, for the fourth time, works fine |
| 02:34.08 | rue_shop3 | its pretty borked, I dont think anyone has installed it from scratch yet |
| 02:34.10 | rue_shop3 | hmm |
| 02:34.38 | abrotman | sure i have, just yesterday for osmeone else |
| 02:34.43 | Rotaerk_ | hmm, the citrix cliient required a 32-bit version of a library, so I was able to install that with --force-architecture |
| 02:35.07 | Rotaerk_ | but then the adobe flash player requires a 64-bit version of the same library; it overwrote the 32-bit version, so citrix no longer works |
| 02:35.15 | Rotaerk_ | is multiarch the correct solution, or is there something else |
| 02:35.16 | rue_shop3 | it just comes up with a file browser, no desktop icons |
| 02:36.03 | abrotman | maybe you don't have any? |
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| 02:36.13 | abrotman | did you tick the box tha tsays to show a desktop ? |
| 02:36.30 | rue_shop3 | root@freebee4:/home/dan/Desktop# ls -l |
| 02:36.31 | rue_shop3 | total 19496 |
| 02:36.44 | rue_shop3 | there are 20 files in the desktop folder |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | rue_shop3: did you run gnome-tweak-tool ? |
| 02:37.45 | rue_shop3 | its not installed |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | ... |
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| 02:38.23 | rue_shop3 | yaya I fix.. |
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| 02:38.56 | rue_shop3 | hmm lotsa errors flew by |
| 02:39.23 | rue_shop3 | aha, abrotman thanks, it was 'switched off' |
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| 02:39.35 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:40.03 | rue_shop3 | ahhh I can dial the font size down |
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| 02:43.20 | abrotman | rue_shop3: all good |
| 02:43.22 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:43.30 | rue_shop3 | less desktop icon size YES |
| 02:44.08 | rue_shop3 | its so much easier to use a computer when it dosn't look like its designed for bubbles to use without his glasses |
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| 02:54.17 | trysten | guys.. wtf is LVM2_member? |
| 02:54.27 | trysten | unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' |
| 02:55.32 | rrrr | Diopter, is there a way to install diferent fonts then those deafult one? |
| 02:55.34 | Azrael_- | trysten: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | it's part of an LVM filesystem ? |
| 02:55.55 | trysten | Azrael_-: mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/tmp |
| 02:56.14 | Azrael_- | trysten: lvscan/pvscan |
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| 02:56.52 | trysten | judd, help please |
| 02:57.00 | aarcane | is the new debian installer graphical, or just another text based installer? |
| 02:57.05 | abrotman | trysten: judd isn't that kind of bot |
| 02:57.07 | abrotman | aarcane: both |
| 02:57.09 | pparadis | trysten: did you copy and paset something? |
| 02:57.09 | trysten | Azrael_-: where do i get those :3 |
| 02:57.13 | pparadis | s/paset/paste/ |
| 02:57.24 | trysten | pparadis: well, just a teeny tiny bit |
| 02:57.36 | Azrael_- | trysten: apt-get install lvm2 |
| 02:57.37 | aarcane | abrotman, I read a few posts about it, but I don't know where to find a homepage for it with screenshots and stuff. can you please provide one? |
| 02:57.38 | pparadis | nod, sounds like it. like Azrael_- asked, what are you trying to do? |
| 02:58.00 | trysten | pparadis: right now i'm installing lvm2, then i'm going to scan this drive |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | aarcane: why would you need those? i'm sure there are tons from when it was first released like 7 years ago |
| 02:58.28 | pparadis | trysten: what i mean is, can you please describe exactly what you are trying to accomplish, from the start? |
| 02:58.38 | pparadis | as in "what problem is being solved" |
| 02:59.04 | trysten | pparadis: yeah yeah. i'm trying to figure out what is on this drive i have. solving it would be having a view to the filesystem (if there is one (and there should be)) |
| 02:59.25 | pparadis | where did you get the drive? |
| 02:59.36 | trysten | pparadis: not sure. |
| 02:59.56 | pparadis | trysten: did it fall off a truck? |
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| 03:00.38 | aarcane | abrotman, 'cause I can't find any, and I don't remember when that was ? |
| 03:00.43 | trysten | pparadis: hehehe not exactly. i get some un-identified drives sometime. i'm guessing it has some sort of RAID technology, since i think that's what lvm is. lvscan -a said /dev/c/c |
| 03:00.58 | pparadis | trysten: that is not what LVM is. |
| 03:01.14 | abrotman | aarcane: etch maybe? |
| 03:01.32 | aarcane | I mean the new one in the current beta release. |
| 03:01.50 | Azrael_- | trysten: giyf |
| 03:01.52 | trysten | pparadis: oh. LVM stands for logical volume management. ok. well i can't mount /dev/c/c :3 |
| 03:02.00 | abrotman | aarcane: http://www.zdnet.com/debian-gnulinux-5-0-screenshots-1339294981/ |
| 03:02.00 | pparadis | trysten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 |
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| 03:02.29 | pparadis | trysten: i'm a little confused here on how this involves debian. |
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| 03:02.56 | trysten | pparadis: cool! so this is probably part of a set? it doesn't anymore. sorry to bother you. |
| 03:03.10 | pparadis | oh no bother, i'm just honestly trying to figure out what's going on :) |
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| 03:03.39 | Azrael_- | trysten: have another look into the wikipedia article |
| 03:03.45 | aarcane | That's the same current gen installer, too? |
| 03:04.16 | trysten | Azrael_-: alrighty. |
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| 03:04.46 | comradekingu | No matter what i do the wheezy images cant get past detecting network hardware when booted from usb, is this to be expected? |
| 03:05.01 | SiDz | http://paste.debian.net/183207/ any clue why i have so many of those? |
| 03:05.02 | pparadis | !tell comradekingu about kmuto |
| 03:05.05 | abrotman | comradekingu: you mean it hangs detecting devices, or hangs setting htem up ? |
| 03:05.11 | abrotman | pparadis: he' son wheezy, that won't help |
| 03:05.11 | SiDz | they changed the HDD |
| 03:05.30 | krababbel | If I want to limit /var/log/messages, I need to edit /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog ? |
| 03:05.33 | SiDz | i have 2 other vps and they dont have so many kworker ksoftirqd etc |
| 03:05.34 | pparadis | abrotman: nod, imma dummy, just realized "oh wait wheezy" |
| 03:05.45 | pparadis | abrotman: although he could install squeeeze and then just dist-upgarde |
| 03:05.48 | pparadis | dist-upgrade even |
| 03:06.03 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:07.49 | pparadis | SiDz: various VPS providers also do various things to their base install images. what you have in one place called "debian" may in fact not be what you would get somewhere else (probably isn't, actually), and is almost guaranteed to differ from what you would get from a netinstall performed yourself. |
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| 03:08.11 | sambagirl | test |
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| 03:08.29 | pparadis | SiDz: depending on which providers you're talking about, you may also not be running the distro-supplied debian kernel. |
| 03:08.54 | SiDz | ya ya i updated from lenny to wheezy with a dist-upgrade |
| 03:08.56 | pparadis | (this is the sort of thing that makes supporting certain VPS environments "fun") |
| 03:09.00 | SiDz | so i should be using deb kernel |
| 03:09.13 | pparadis | that doesn't mean you're running the debian kernel. |
| 03:09.20 | pparadis | what does "uname -a" say? |
| 03:09.34 | SiDz | Linux Denv.DonSiD.net 3.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Jun 28 09:07:26 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:10.19 | comradekingu | abrotman: Detecting hardware, after loading additional components |
| 03:10.28 | SiDz | ony my 2 other vps i have only one kirq kworker etc |
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| 03:10.36 | SiDz | but on that one i have like 6-7 of each one |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | comradekingu: how new is the system ? |
| 03:11.05 | SiDz | gonna open a ticket to ask them why |
| 03:11.06 | pparadis | SiDz: i think you mean ksoftirqd, right? |
| 03:11.10 | comradekingu | 4 years old |
| 03:11.16 | comradekingu | atom 330 |
| 03:11.31 | SiDz | pparadis right |
| 03:11.43 | SiDz | i have 14 of ksostirqd on one vps |
| 03:11.43 | SiDz | lol |
| 03:11.47 | SiDz | on 2 other i have only 1 |
| 03:12.25 | SiDz | same for kworker etc |
| 03:12.30 | abrotman | comradekingu: did it have linux on it before ? |
| 03:13.05 | comradekingu | abrotman: yes, but everything that has to do with debian fails when i try to install it over usb |
| 03:13.05 | microcolonel | okay |
| 03:13.12 | microcolonel | I did an apt-get upgrade |
| 03:13.15 | microcolonel | and I said n |
| 03:13.24 | microcolonel | but it installed the upgrades anyway |
| 03:13.51 | comradekingu | Tried unetbooting, and "cat" as per instructions on debian.org |
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| 03:14.15 | pparadis | SiDz: let me give you an example. ksoftirqd is a process for handling hardware device interrupts. on a debian 6 host i have here, i have 8 processes running for that. in a debian 6 VM i have running on that host, i have two processes running. |
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| 03:14.39 | pparadis | SiDz: it's going to vary according to hardware/VM configuration. |
| 03:14.49 | pparadis | and it's nothing to be concerned about. |
| 03:15.03 | SiDz | right but its anoying me:P |
| 03:15.08 | SiDz | i have tons of process on that vps |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | comradekingu: unetbootin almost never works |
| 03:15.11 | SiDz | cause of that |
| 03:15.18 | pparadis | ... if those processes are running, they're needed. why are they "annoying" you? |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | comradekingu: you tried the squeeze installer too ? |
| 03:15.23 | SiDz | http://paste.debian.net/183208/ see the difference from my 2 other vps... and that one |
| 03:15.48 | SiDz | cause i have 2 other debian vps, + my computer running debian at home, and those only have 1 watchdog, 1 ksoftirqd |
| 03:15.58 | SiDz | but that third vps run 14 of each one |
| 03:15.58 | pparadis | SiDz: again, why are they "annoying" you? are you experiencing a technical issue that you believe is somehow related to this? |
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| 03:16.01 | SiDz | it's ugly |
| 03:16.08 | SiDz | no no |
| 03:16.24 | SiDz | just wanted to know: why |
| 03:16.39 | pparadis | because they are responsible for handling some hardware interrupts. |
| 03:16.48 | pparadis | whether that's real hardware, virtualized hardware, etc. |
| 03:17.11 | SiDz | they changed the hdd some week ago |
| 03:17.23 | SiDz | before that i only had 1 of each, like any other debian box/vps i have |
| 03:17.31 | pparadis | i don't understand why this is even a problem. |
| 03:17.33 | SiDz | anyway, everything work fine |
| 03:17.36 | SiDz | no it's not:P |
| 03:17.40 | SiDz | im just asking why |
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| 03:18.01 | pparadis | you probably got migrated to a different host with that provider that has a different hardware and/or virtualization stack profile. |
| 03:18.23 | aarcane | Is there a guide somewhere convenient to installing a stripped down libvirt-friendly instance of debian from any other host OS? |
| 03:18.24 | SiDz | ok |
| 03:18.46 | comradekingu | abrotman: I was kinda hoping there was a way to go testing and usb, "dd"? |
| 03:18.51 | pparadis | aarcane: you mean installing debian on top of another OS? |
| 03:19.40 | abrotman | comradekingu: yo ucan go to testing from stable .. it's not hard |
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| 03:20.07 | protist | hey how do i make my computer recognize korean characters? |
| 03:20.09 | comradekingu | abrotman: There are many things i could have done, however i am bent on testing and usb |
| 03:20.21 | pparadis | aarcane: if you're just looking for a reference on getting rolling with KVM on debian, for example, i wrote this --> http://www.palegray.net/tutorials/debian-6-kvm-howto/ (if you're looking for something else, please explain further) |
| 03:20.30 | Azrael_- | protist: perhaps enabling utf8? |
| 03:20.36 | abrotman | comradekingu: try expert mode |
| 03:20.42 | comradekingu | ok |
| 03:21.20 | aarcane | pparadis, yes. Something akin to vmbuilder but that will install a ready-to-go libvirt instance of debian on.. almost any distro? |
| 03:21.40 | pparadis | aarcane: that's going to vary from distro to distro. |
| 03:21.40 | protist | Azrael_-: i think that is what i am running....how do i check? |
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| 03:22.11 | Azrael_- | protist: sorry, don't really know. it was just a hint where you could start looking |
| 03:22.15 | pparadis | aarcane: in fact, it's going to vary significantly. virtualization stacks don't fall into the "let's package this up as some kind of universal installer" domain. |
| 03:22.47 | aarcane | pparadis, part of vmbuilder is that the resultant instance is targeted to being virtual, imitting many of the physical machine hardware requirements. That's what I'm most worried about. |
| 03:22.50 | pparadis | aarcane: if you're looking for something "closer" to that, you might consider looking into virtualbox for whatever host distro you want. |
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| 03:22.57 | protist | Azrael_-: thank you...but i am fairly sure i am running utf 8 |
| 03:23.13 | aarcane | *omitting |
| 03:23.43 | Azrael_- | protist: another option could be the characters aren't in utf8 but in some korean specific code page. but don't ask me what it could be or how to determin it |
| 03:23.58 | pparadis | aarcane: it's not the VM image you need to be concerned about, although there are in fact even portability concerns among different distros because of libvirt version differences. it's the host side you need to be concerned about. if you're looking for a seamless way to make something "playable" across distros, you might again look at virtualbox or vmware. |
| 03:24.29 | protist | Azrael_-: alright....more to consider :) |
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| 03:25.25 | pparadis | aarcane: it's offtopic for this channel, but this is where i'm trying to steer you --> http://www.vmware.com/appliances/getting-started/build/how/ (at least in that general direction) |
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| 03:26.39 | pparadis | aarcane: you can probably build something similar using kvm/qemu, but you're going to have to be able to have certain guarantees about the libvirt stack on each machine/distro you want to be able to run your image on. |
| 03:26.52 | aarcane | pparadis, actually, I'm running ubuntu as my vm host, but I want to deploy a few debian virtual machines for things that require stability but don't require frequent updates, like the router and the accompanying support systems. |
| 03:27.29 | comradekingu | abrotman: missing rtl_nic/rtl8168-d.fw for r8169 and "sending ioctl 5310 to a partition!" on detecting network hardware |
| 03:27.31 | pparadis | aarcane: i'd recommend looking into kvm on your host then, but #ubuntu and/or #kvm is the place to get help with that. |
| 03:27.36 | aarcane | pparadis, but I like the way vmbuilder somehow installs ubuntu without all the extra physical machine cruft, and I want to have debian installed in similar, trimmed-down fashion. |
| 03:27.53 | pparadis | aarcane: you can just do a minimal netinstall of debian unde kvm. |
| 03:28.02 | pparadis | s/unde/under/ |
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| 03:28.27 | aarcane | does minimal install include exim by default? |
| 03:28.38 | pparadis | aarcane: yes, because cron requires it. |
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| 03:28.49 | pparadis | you have to have _some_ mta installed. |
| 03:28.52 | aarcane | facepalm |
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| 03:29.00 | pparadis | it takes a couple hundred kilobytes, man. |
| 03:29.45 | aarcane | mta is a major security risk on any system, and a maintenance hassle. i want something I don't have to gut before I start, though I suppose two packages is a lot better than two hundred. |
| 03:29.52 | pparadis | aarcane: speaking as someone who prepares VM images for a living, among other things, there's "minimal" and there's "okay now you're getting absurd" |
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| 03:30.12 | pparadis | no, it's not a security risk on any system. it doesn't accept external connections by default. |
| 03:30.24 | pparadis | have you actually looked at the default config on a debian system? |
| 03:30.30 | aarcane | pparadis, if you have any influence over the process, you should push for nullmailer or ssmpt instead. |
| 03:30.44 | aarcane | pparadis, not in a few years. Last I tried was... 6 I think. |
| 03:30.56 | pparadis | uh, no, ssmtp comes with its own bad of headaches, and there's a reason exim is there. |
| 03:31.27 | pparadis | you are not smarter than the core debian devs, and neither am i. that's basically the end of the story there. |
| 03:31.46 | pparadis | heck, a minimal netinstall doesn't even include sshd. |
| 03:31.55 | pparadis | as in "nothing is listening" by default. |
| 03:32.07 | aarcane | sshd is more important than an mta o,.,0 |
| 03:32.14 | pparadis | (can you of course select the ssh server task in the installer, however) |
| 03:32.33 | aarcane | perhaps mta should be a task then. |
| 03:32.48 | pparadis | aarcane: what you need to understand is these things are there for a reason, and that reason is dependencies. |
| 03:32.56 | pparadis | and they are very sane dependencies. |
| 03:33.08 | trysten | pparadis: so i'm stuck. i moved my computer and now when i lvscan -a i get I/O errors. so i unplugged the HD, still getting them. i think i need to clear the devmapper? |
| 03:33.09 | Azrael_- | aarcane: in the minimal neither sshd is installed nor root has a password set |
| 03:33.23 | pparadis | and it is not a security risk at all in the default config, so it isn't a risk unless you make it one by adding more stuff and then intentionally grossly misconfiguring your MTA. |
| 03:33.30 | aarcane | pparadis, yes. for packages that nobody needs on a virtual machine, such as cron.. though I suppose in this day and age virtualization is a niche market. |
| 03:33.33 | Skilz | Where can I get the OpenCDE desktop environment for Debian? |
| 03:34.01 | trysten | Skilz: http://devio.us/~kpedersen/ |
| 03:34.05 | pparadis | aarcane: please explain how you arrived at your last conclusion. i don't get the impression you're intimately acquainted with what you're talking about. |
| 03:34.09 | Azrael_- | trysten: did you restart the system? pvscan gives the basic info about the lvm |
| 03:34.23 | Azrael_- | trysten: pvscan -> vgscan -> lvscan |
| 03:34.33 | pparadis | aarcane: i'm especially interested in how you consider virtualization a niche market. this isn't 1999. |
| 03:34.52 | pparadis | this is also veering terribly offtopic. |
| 03:34.58 | trysten | Azrael_-: ok cool! |
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| 03:35.07 | trysten | gets the topic wrench |
| 03:35.48 | trysten | and the topic pliers. pvscan is still giving me I/O errors, can i clear these without restarting? maybe if i sudo rm /dev/sdc... |
| 03:36.02 | pparadis | D: |
| 03:36.07 | Azrael_- | trysten: dmesg? |
| 03:36.20 | trysten | Azrael_-: i intentionally disconnected the drives. |
| 03:36.25 | aarcane | pparadis, you earlier stated that exim is installed because cron requires an mta. However, most virtual machines have no need of cron nor of a full featured mta. The most minimal install available, however, installs cron, and it's dependency, exim. Therefore, virtualization is being catered against, and the rest is sarcasm from my resultant frustration. |
| 03:36.41 | pparadis | sdc is not what you think it is :). i mean if you really wanted to beat it over the head with dd, go right ahead i suppose, but man that's kinda extreme :) |
| 03:36.59 | Azrael_- | trysten: ok, i'm out, no real idea about the current state of you system and/or how to resolve it |
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| 03:37.48 | pparadis | aarcane: why does a virtual machine not need cron or an MTA? you're continuing to demonstrate that you have no idea what you're talking about. i've got 60 VMs running here that most assuredly need both. but seriously, let's take this over to #debian-offtopic instead. it's not appropriate for this channel. |
| 03:38.56 | aarcane | pparadis, k. |
| 03:40.23 | aarcane | pparadis, you're not in #debian-offtopic |
| 03:41.02 | trysten | is in #debian-overflow D: i'm not overflow! |
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| 03:41.37 | trysten | ooooh is that some special kind of debian? all new: debian-overflow. it's a play on stack overflow so it's like... super debian. |
| 03:42.04 | trysten | Azrael_-: sorry mate. let me figure out how to clear these errors and i'll have better infos >.> |
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| 03:43.23 | protist | Azrael_-: i figured it out...had to install some language things...imma leave this channel now cya :) |
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| 04:01.26 | trysten | guys i can't do it -.- i need halps. i had a HD plugged in with some sort of LVM (hey that rhymes) and now it's unplugged and i get input/ouput errors when i run lvscan -a |
| 04:01.44 | trysten | i feel like if i could reset devmapper, that would fix it. but i don't know anything about anything. |
| 04:02.10 | tharkun | trysten: what time does your clock reads? |
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| 04:08.51 | trysten | 23:02 i'm so tie-red |
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| 04:09.53 | trysten | i give up. goodnight tharkun! thanks #debian! :D |
| 04:10.50 | tharkun | trysten: Nice, you got the idea fast :D |
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| 04:15.41 | uberdub | Hi all |
| 04:15.58 | uberdub | new debian user |
| 04:21.03 | tharkun | uberdub: If you have a question just ask |
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| 04:38.15 | Mohsen_Hassani | What is the url of Debian wheezy packages to write into /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:38.30 | Mohsen_Hassani | mine just has security.debian.org |
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| 04:50.17 | averell | is there a way to reinstall all packages? |
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| 04:51.58 | nsadmin | averell, wipe and reinstall is one way |
| 04:52.25 | averell | no, i need to reinstall the packages, because they are broken after reinstall |
| 04:52.32 | averell | bad medium |
| 04:53.05 | nsadmin | so you tried reinstalling already? |
| 04:53.30 | averell | yes |
| 04:53.41 | averell | i've also tried turning it off and on again |
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| 04:53.45 | nsadmin | what was the problem on that reinstall? |
| 04:53.55 | nsadmin | "it"? |
| 04:53.55 | averell | why are you prefixing every line with a +? |
| 04:54.18 | averell | do you know the answer, or not? |
| 04:54.50 | nsadmin | you haven't provided sufficient information about the problem you[re actually having |
| 04:55.12 | nsadmin | which is fairly common, so don't worry about it too much |
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| 04:55.18 | averell | are you trying to be funny? the problem is i want to reinstall all installed packages. |
| 04:55.26 | averell | either you know how to do it, or not. |
| 04:56.01 | nsadmin | let'[s try to figure out how you got here in the first place... then, maybe we can prevent it from happening again |
| 04:56.34 | Rotaerk_ | well, he started an IRC client, connected to freenode, and joined #debian |
| 04:56.37 | averell | +let's try to find the apt-get command that would be "apt-get install --reinstall *" if it worked with wildcards |
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| 04:58.15 | Diopter | averell: apt-get install $(dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1) |
| 04:58.15 | nsadmin | I'm not putting the +, has to be your client. if you want to be hostile and uncooperatie, go away |
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| 04:58.16 | gnarface | bwahahahaha! |
| 04:58.20 | Diopter | Er, you need reinstall. |
| 04:58.22 | averell | thank you diopter |
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| 04:58.57 | Diopter | So yeah, apt-get --reinstall install $(dpkg ...) |
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| 04:59.23 | averell | you were the one being uncooperatie, but whatever |
| 04:59.44 | Diopter | For reference, volunteers can't be "uncooperative". |
| 04:59.57 | Diopter | They're volunteers. By definition, they have the right to choose to help or not. |
| 04:59.59 | averell | no, but unhelpful |
| 05:00.03 | gnarface | they can be less cooperative than you'd like... |
| 05:00.05 | MrHatter | i just did an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade on my squeeze box, this happened : Extracting templates from packages: 100% |
| 05:00.06 | MrHatter | Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 05:00.06 | MrHatter | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 05:00.06 | MrHatter | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.06 | MrHatter | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 05:00.06 | dpkg | MrHatter: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 05:00.23 | Diopter | mmmm, pastyness |
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| 05:01.25 | nsadmin | btw, dpkg --get-selections is not a current list of installed packages |
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| 05:01.40 | Dion | eir, +o me. |
| 05:01.44 | MrHatter | oops flood. |
| 05:01.48 | Diopter | Indeed not |
| 05:02.01 | MrHatter | dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: |
| 05:02.02 | dpkg | MrHatter: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:02.04 | Mohsen_Hassani | nsadmin, So what's the command to display the most updated packages? |
| 05:02.07 | Diopter | Also, you probably want: | grep "[[:space:]]install", before the | cut |
| 05:02.11 | MrHatter | syntax error: unknown group 'root' in statoverride file |
| 05:02.12 | Andorin | Hello. Does anyone know of a reason why my Squeeze box has stopped automounting USB drives? |
| 05:02.17 | MrHatter | anyone know what this means ? |
| 05:02.33 | Dion | apt-get install root-kit (It actually works) |
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| 05:04.20 | nsadmin | Diopter, still want to know what got him into that situation... |
| 05:04.32 | Diopter | nsadmin: An exciting story, I'm sure. |
| 05:04.34 | Diopter | :P |
| 05:05.03 | pparadis | MrHatter: can you please pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 05:05.05 | averell | not that exciting, just broken install image from a hoster |
| 05:05.41 | nsadmin | is the machine you're doing this to a remote? |
| 05:05.45 | averell | yes |
| 05:05.59 | nsadmin | caution advised here :) |
| 05:06.05 | pparadis | MrHatter: also, please pastebin the contents of /etc/group |
| 05:06.10 | averell | it was just wiped, so nothing to lose anyway |
| 05:07.22 | nsadmin | so, it's a server, yes? |
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| 05:08.14 | gnarface | averell: let us know if it works out for you! |
| 05:08.44 | gnarface | bets opposite |
| 05:08.57 | averell | you should reconsider your bet |
| 05:09.20 | averell | it worked out. although i had to put it in a for loop, because of some dependency thing |
| 05:10.00 | Diopter | Exciting |
| 05:10.05 | averell | very |
| 05:10.40 | MrHatter | http://pastebin.com/DGL3iFBT - /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:11.15 | pparadis | MrHatter: can you please use http://paste.debian.net in the future, as noted above? |
| 05:11.27 | pparadis | we generally don't need the ads and cruft from pastebin.com |
| 05:11.38 | MrHatter | pparadis: oops sure. |
| 05:12.34 | MrHatter | pparadis: http://paste.debian.net/183210/ /etc/group |
| 05:12.53 | PtitGNU | Hi |
| 05:13.11 | PtitGNU | I've just installed a squeeze on a powerpc machine (by debootstrap with a debian based livecd on a 3.x kernel) but on the first boot, the 2.6.32 kernel looks like it doesn't like the ATA controller (devices recognized as hdi, hdj, ...). So I need a more recent kernel (the livecd on kernel 3.x says sda, sdb.. as usual and the .ko is different). |
| 05:13.29 | PtitGNU | I have added the backports sources in sources.list but it seems that there's _no_ linux-image-3.2 for powerpc yet ('bpo.2') http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-powerpc-smp |
| 05:13.35 | pparadis | MrHatter: the first line in /etc/group should be "root:x:0:" unless somebody has actually removed the root group, which really should not ever happen. |
| 05:13.41 | PtitGNU | Google says there _was_ a 'bpo.1' in 3.2 but it have disappeared of the mirrors... does someone still have it in his apt cache ? ( linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.1-powerpc-smp_3.2.4-1~bpo60+1_powerpc.deb ) |
| 05:14.16 | nsadmin | that pastebinit loves to default to pastebin.com, and the maint (guy primarily uses ubuntu) doesn't like to make fixes... I have a feeling he owns pastebin.com or has some kind of deal with tham |
| 05:14.45 | pparadis | nsadmin: i have a feeling you may be on to something (although there is the old quote about malice versus stupidity) |
| 05:15.10 | nsadmin | (/msg dpkg nopaste) doesn't do that :) |
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| 05:15.35 | nsadmin | pparadis, I don't suspect malice so much as greed :) |
| 05:15.47 | pparadis | seven deadly maintainers? :) |
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| 05:16.01 | nsadmin | one's enough... |
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| 05:16.40 | Andorin | Hello. Does anyone know of a reason why my Squeeze box has stopped automounting USB drives? |
| 05:17.37 | MrHatter | pparadis: very strange. the top line was empty. |
| 05:17.41 | pparadis | Andorin: what has changed on it since it last automounted your drives? |
| 05:17.44 | nsadmin | Andorin, is there a time frame when it did, just in front of you doing an upgrade/ |
| 05:17.49 | MrHatter | pparadis: any idea how that could happen ? |
| 05:18.02 | nsadmin | or installing a package, etc |
| 05:18.21 | pparadis | MrHatter: kinda the same question as the last one i asked to Andorin; what has changed recently? nothing should be manually touching /etc/group |
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| 05:18.39 | Andorin | It ceased automounting about a month ago, and I don't believe I had even updated my system around that time. |
| 05:18.39 | pparadis | have you installed anything from outside the debian repos recently for example? |
| 05:18.48 | Andorin | Nothing comes to mind that would have caused the change. |
| 05:18.55 | MrHatter | pparaids: nothing. nothing unusual on this box, its been going fine for years. |
| 05:18.59 | MrHatter | apt is now working. |
| 05:19.12 | MrHatter | somehow the first line of /etc/group went missing. |
| 05:19.26 | MrHatter | nothing outside the repos |
| 05:19.27 | Andorin | And for me, I don't have any non-Debian repos in my sources.list... and I don't think I've installed anything from another source. |
| 05:19.34 | MrHatter | always been debian stable |
| 05:20.19 | pparadis | MrHatter: that is indeed very strange. while i'm glad i could help you fix it, i really have no idea how that happened to begin with. the only references i can find offhand for this sort of behavior are from ubuntu systems, and admittedly i haven't dug deeply into those. |
| 05:20.41 | MrHatter | hmmm, it's a bit of a worry. |
| 05:20.51 | pparadis | (well, haven't dug deeply into those search results, have spent way too much time digging deeply into ubuntu systems) |
| 05:21.02 | pparadis | yes, that is cause for some concern. |
| 05:21.39 | spal | I am curious why Wheezy doesn't provide a soft-link python3 that points to the most recent python3.x. |
| 05:22.13 | nsadmin | is python3 available under wheezy? |
| 05:22.26 | Diopter | Yep |
| 05:22.37 | spal | yes, Python 3.2.3 (default, Jun 25 2012, 23:10:56) |
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| 05:22.53 | phorce1_home | hmmmm, squeeze ... nVidia 520, nVidia drivers. Unplugged the cable to my hdmi monitor to test something and now it won't "come back". Any way to force redetection without a reboot? It's where my txt console is directed. Thought it was an X issue and had to ssh in from my phone to restart gdm3 |
| 05:23.12 | pparadis | MrHatter: you might wish to consider booting from something like a debian live cd and running rkhunter, clamav, similar stuff against your filesystem. it just makes me a little nervous that something may have been poking at /etc/group manually. |
| 05:23.13 | Diopter | spal: ls -l $(which python3) |
| 05:23.45 | spal | $(which python) is zero-length string |
| 05:23.53 | spal | so it prints the content of the current directory. |
| 05:24.09 | nsadmin | spal, look more carefully at the request |
| 05:24.19 | Diopter | Needs moar 3 |
| 05:24.28 | nsadmin | 4? |
| 05:24.28 | spal | I meant: $(which python3) . That was a typo. |
| 05:24.52 | Diopter | spal: On my system, after installing "python3", /usr/bin/python3 is a symlink to the current version |
| 05:25.05 | spal | ok. I'll try reinstalling python3 then. |
| 05:25.11 | nsadmin | spal, so then, you don't have it installed? or at least not in one of the system-wide recognized places |
| 05:25.19 | pparadis | wait a second, yeah, that's really odd. |
| 05:25.27 | Diopter | mmhmm |
| 05:25.33 | spal | which python3.2 --> /usr/bin/python3.2 |
| 05:25.41 | spal | no output for: which python3 |
| 05:26.09 | nsadmin | I see, so you do have it installed and (right again) there's not a symlink for python3 |
| 05:26.12 | pparadis | what does "dpkg -l | grep python" say? |
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| 05:26.31 | nsadmin | spam spam spam spam |
| 05:27.33 | spal | ii python3.2 3.2.3-2 Interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 3.2) |
| 05:27.42 | spal | I have python3.2 installed but not python3. |
| 05:28.10 | nsadmin | let's see if it exists that way |
| 05:28.17 | nsadmin | , versions python3 |
| 05:28.18 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-4; sid: 3.2.3-5 |
| 05:28.25 | pparadis | um |
| 05:28.27 | spal | perhaps I should install the python3 package. |
| 05:28.41 | nsadmin | that might get you the symlink :) |
| 05:28.49 | Diopter | Most likely so. |
| 05:29.06 | Diopter | Generally meta/virtual-packages like that are the way |
| 05:29.15 | pparadis | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/python3 <-- yepper. note the line "This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default Python 3 version (currently v3.2)." |
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| 05:30.08 | spal | yes, installing python3 did setup the symlink to python3.2 |
| 05:30.13 | pparadis | \o/ |
| 05:30.46 | pparadis | spal: did you by any chance get python onto that system as a result of following a guide somebody wrote? |
| 05:31.09 | pparadis | (as in "did somebody tell you to 'apt-get install python-3.2' on wheezy?) |
| 05:31.14 | spal | pparadis, no, I just looked for new python using aptitude search and installed the particular version. |
| 05:31.21 | pparadis | er, rather "python3.2" |
| 05:31.38 | spal | but dpkg -L python3 | grep 'bin/python3' outputs nothing. I wonder what in python3 package put the symlink? |
| 05:31.53 | spal | does it run a script to create the symlink? it doesn't come pre-packaged in python3 package? |
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| 05:32.24 | nsadmin | either it's in a tarball, or the packaging executed the ln |
| 05:32.40 | pparadis | ah, okay. yeah, please do note that it's usually good to install the meta package, unless you have a specific reason not to, which is commonly mitigated by telling apt/aptitude to not install "recommends" packages. |
| 05:32.50 | spal | ok |
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| 05:33.19 | nsadmin | how can you tell for sure about whether a metapackage exists? |
| 05:33.38 | pparadis | look for the generic name, ala apache2, mysql-server, python3, etc :) |
| 05:34.26 | Diopter | spal: There are config, postinst, postrm and some other related scripts that can be part of a .deb |
| 05:34.32 | Diopter | spal: It's probably in the postinst. |
| 05:34.36 | spal | ok |
| 05:35.01 | pparadis | Diopter: that's what i'd guess. he could always just examine the contents of the .deb if he wanted to :) |
| 05:37.31 | MrHatter | pparadis: thx for your help. |
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| 05:37.40 | pparadis | MrHatter: sure thing |
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| 05:53.40 | phorce1_home | well, that was fascinating. --- blind switch to console, turn HDMI monitor off, unplug hdmi cable, turn hdmi monitor on, plug in hdmi cable, ta-da ... video comes back. |
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| 05:53.59 | Diopter | yeehaw |
| 05:54.23 | phorce1_home | unplugging then replugging hdmi cable with monitor powered up didn't do it |
| 05:55.44 | phorce1_home | finds much of the "should just work" automatic crap being added to be more annoying than useful. |
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| 05:56.27 | uberdub | evening |
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| 06:15.50 | morteza | hi |
| 06:16.00 | pparadis | hi |
| 06:16.05 | morteza | how to make file under the rc2.d directory? |
| 06:16.30 | morteza | I have a file in init.d and I wanna to move that in rc2 |
| 06:16.44 | morteza | run the under rc2.d |
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| 06:17.44 | pparadis | generally, you don't make files in that directory. you make symlinks. |
| 06:17.52 | pparadis | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 06:18.26 | pparadis | morteza: http://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel |
| 06:19.10 | morteza | pparadis: no , I wanna to do it , but I think I should do it with updte-rc.d |
| 06:19.26 | morteza | pparadis: but it shows me error |
| 06:19.28 | pparadis | morteza: no, you don't wanna do it. please readthe link i supplied. |
| 06:20.05 | pparadis | morteza: also --> http://www.tin.org/bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=update-rc.d |
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| 06:26.28 | morteza | pparadis: then , I should to do it? : ln -s /etc/init.d/aaa /etc/rc2.d/S20aaa ? |
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| 06:27.33 | rue_shop3 | the avr-libc seems to have an error in delay.h that causes an incorrect call to round() somewhere |
| 06:27.33 | psycose | Hello, while building gcc-4.7 cross compiler from x86 32 bits to SH target, I got the following error: "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/crt1.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong format" seems my build env is wrong, any tips ? thanks |
| 06:27.45 | rue_shop3 | but hter are too many aliases I cant find it |
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| 06:29.34 | pparadis | morteza: please describe what you are actually trying to do. did you write your own init script for something? if so, what is "something", and do you understand how to write init scripts? also, did you thoroughly read the links i gave you, including the one for the update-rc.d man page? |
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| 06:31.20 | morteza | pparadis: yes, my scirpt has some headers that defined my script runlevel, then I just wanna to make link in rc2.d |
| 06:31.41 | pparadis | morteza: you still haven't fully answered the outstanding questions. |
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| 06:33.32 | morteza | pparadis: can you explain me , what do you want to know exactly? |
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| 06:34.17 | pparadis | morteza: you could perhaps describe what you're trying to accomplish, from start to finish, perhaps including a pastebin copy of the init script in question to http://paste.debian.net |
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| 06:39.26 | pparadis | morteza: if you want, you can simply manually create a symlink in /etc/rc2.d to the script in /etc/init.d that you want to start/stop in that runlevel, but you're doing yourself a disservice by not understanding how this stuff works. if you insist, however, "ln -s" is your friend. |
| 06:41.14 | morteza | pparadis: thank you ;) |
| 06:41.29 | pparadis | no problem, man. just promise me you really will read those links later ;) |
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| 06:42.48 | SiDz | why dont add it with update-rc.d |
| 06:42.55 | SiDz | why you* |
| 06:43.27 | pparadis | SiDz: yeah, i know. check the scrollback. i tried to steer him in the right direction to learn how this stuff is supposed to work :) |
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| 06:46.21 | SiDz | The virtual server in denver has 16 cpu cores while all the other ones have 1. the processes you listed launch 1 time for each cpu core detected. i have adjusted your denver virtual machine so it will have the same number of cpu cpres as your other virtual machines. |
| 06:46.31 | SiDz | that was the reason for all those ksoftirqd |
| 06:46.48 | pparadis | yep, that'll do it. i was trying to steer you in that direction earlier ;) |
| 06:46.57 | SiDz | yep;p |
| 06:47.13 | pparadis | the clue was when i told you the number of processes on the host (8) and then the VM (2) since the host has 8 cores and the VM has 2 ;) |
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| 06:48.14 | pparadis | that's pretty cool that you've got a VM with 16 cores (albeit virtual) ... how many physical cores are actually in that box? i've recently seen a 32-core AMD box, wondering if that's actually reflective of reality on your end. |
| 06:48.19 | pparadis | SiDz ^ |
| 06:48.44 | SiDz | now i only have 1 i think |
| 06:48.48 | SiDz | how can i check?;p |
| 06:49.20 | pparadis | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l |
| 06:49.31 | SiDz | 1 ! |
| 06:49.50 | pparadis | you seriously had a VM with 16 cores and now it has one? |
| 06:50.07 | SiDz | they just changed it |
| 06:50.08 | SiDz | heh |
| 06:50.17 | pparadis | that sounds like a misconfiguration on the hosting provider's end (having 16 cores to start with) |
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| 06:51.10 | SiDz | that vps is the slowliest one (not sure about the word "slowliest" |
| 06:51.15 | SiDz | heh |
| 06:51.29 | SiDz | i have 3 vps at fdcservers |
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| 09:31.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there an explanation to whats on each debian cd? somewhere? |
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| 09:32.51 | tremon | there are the debian cd listings, but they are only helpful if you're looking for a specific package |
| 09:32.51 | pparadis | Eryn_1983_FL: yes. http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 09:32.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am going to no man( or woman's) land soon |
| 09:33.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | closet wifi w/o phone if it dont workie there, is 15 minutes or 30 min |
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| 09:34.06 | ompaul | Eryn_1983_FL: in that case grab all the dvds (less to carry) |
| 09:34.23 | pparadis | yepper --> http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 09:34.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | :) |
| 09:34.37 | pparadis | for example --> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 09:34.54 | pparadis | that's 8 DVDs worth of goodness if you want to get it all. |
| 09:34.59 | ompaul | pparadis: STRRRRRIKE |
| 09:35.23 | pparadis | well heck, if there's not gonna be a net connection :) |
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| 09:35.46 | pparadis | i prefer netinstalls. |
| 09:36.14 | ompaul | ya |
| 09:36.20 | tremon | if you're going to download that much, you're hopefully better off using bt-dvd instead of iso-dvd. Less strain for the servers... |
| 09:36.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 09:36.38 | ompaul | tremon: when in doubt hit heanet.ie |
| 09:36.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | that what i doin |
| 09:36.39 | pparadis | for sure, that would be better. |
| 09:36.48 | ompaul | it has more gigs than you could want - uncontended |
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| 09:37.09 | ompaul | remembering that distance doesn't matter only setup time for the download |
| 09:37.25 | ompaul | which is measured in miliseconds |
| 09:37.30 | Calinou | <pparadis> that's 8 DVDs worth of goodness if you want to get it all. |
| 09:37.34 | Calinou | you don't need all the CDs/DVDs |
| 09:37.35 | Calinou | at all |
| 09:38.05 | pparadis | Calinou: the questioner is staing that there may not be any internet connection at the install site. so in that case, yes, it would be quite prudent to get them all. |
| 09:38.15 | pparadis | s/staing/stating/ |
| 09:38.37 | ompaul | as usual somewhere between a little and a lot wrong |
| 09:39.01 | pparadis | believe it or not, there really are places, even in the US, devoid of internet access. |
| 09:39.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | i only planning on getting a couple |
| 09:39.20 | pparadis | and such places even have computers that people might wish to install debian on. |
| 09:39.23 | N-I-L | see ya |
| 09:39.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | ya ya |
| 09:40.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | even the dialup didnt work peeps... |
| 09:40.30 | ompaul | Eryn_1983_FL: well you could set up a box as best you can and then move on |
| 09:40.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | but they got smart phones now and i got one that can tether so maybe it will work in the forest we shall see |
| 09:40.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
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| 09:40.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | well its going to be a laptop didnt have timeto provision it been working all week.. |
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| 09:41.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | for a my bbf |
| 09:41.12 | pparadis | Eryn_1983_FL: if you can tether a smartphone reliably, you can probably do a netinstall, but i'd caution you to look at your data transfer limits. |
| 09:41.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | its straighttalk no limits oh yeah * does the happy dance* |
| 09:41.38 | pparadis | i've done netinstalls over a tethered 3g connection a few times, but for smallish minimal installs, not pulling down even 2 GB of data. |
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| 09:43.59 | CrowX- | what's the difference between the php5 and the php5-cgi package? |
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| 09:44.29 | CrowX- | and which one do you recommend for an nginx server |
| 09:44.40 | CrowX- | that uses fastcgi |
| 09:44.41 | pparadis | CrowX-: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/php5-cgi |
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| 09:45.17 | pparadis | CrowX-: just a sec |
| 09:45.33 | pparadis | CrowX-: https://library.linode.com/web-servers/nginx/php-fastcgi/debian-6-squeeze |
| 09:46.04 | Papa | helloo i have downloaded and installed debian live gnome cd i have installed it but network manager applet is greyed out what do i cannot connect to internet in debian what to do |
| 09:46.42 | pparadis | is falling asleep, has to go to bed. good night all o |
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| 09:47.48 | googlah | Papa: are you familiar with terminal? |
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| 09:48.34 | Papa | yaa kinda |
| 09:48.41 | googlah | as root, type: 'ifconfig' and see if there is any 'eth0' there |
| 09:49.37 | Papa | hey in ubuntu i used to type sudo pppoeconf but i cannot find that package in debian |
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| 09:50.29 | googlah | Papa: 'sudo' is not installed by default, so you need to use 'su' |
| 09:50.53 | Papa | i did su and then typed pppoeconf it says command not found :O |
| 09:51.17 | googlah | :o |
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| 09:51.49 | googlah | searched for ppoeconf in the repo's? |
| 09:52.03 | tremon | ,v pppoeconf |
| 09:52.05 | judd | Package: pppoeconf on i386 -- lenny: 1.18; squeeze: 1.19; sid: 1.20; wheezy: 1.20 |
| 09:52.05 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/pppoeconf |
| 09:52.09 | judd | Search for bin/pppoeconf in squeeze/i386: pppoeconf: usr/sbin/pppoeconf |
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| 09:52.53 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.11 | ompaul | as root |
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| 09:54.26 | Papa | how to install pppoeconf i have no network access in debian |
| 09:54.45 | CrowX- | pparadis, thanks, but I've went through that guide, and my php sites work well, except when searching stuff and presenting them by certain order, it showes them well on the first page of the results, but every other page has the filter reset |
| 09:54.55 | CrowX- | pparadis, do you perhaps know what could be the problem? |
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| 09:55.30 | SpaceAviator | I am looking for a dock - any suggestions? |
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| 09:55.58 | Papa | docky a dock no money can buy xD |
| 09:56.08 | tremon | Papa: use a different machine to download the .deb from http://packages.debian.org/ -- but check the dependencies, you probably need to download both pppoe and whiptail too |
| 09:56.10 | CrowX- | pparadis, I'll give you an example |
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| 09:57.08 | CrowX- | pparadis, sitename.com/?fp_type=hot <-works well, however sitename.com/page/2?fp_type=hot <- shows the results from sitename.com/page/2 |
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| 09:58.36 | Papa | i disabled ipv6 still no result |
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| 10:02.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok so i am making this laptop for a newbie, i found the app for the gnome network manager applet, is there anything else i need to install for the typical human? |
| 10:03.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | libre office and chrome? |
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| 10:03.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | flash, java? oh yeah codecs. |
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| 10:04.14 | KsM | vlc, dvd reading libraries, plymouth |
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| 10:04.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | whats plymouth |
| 10:05.24 | KsM | instead of seeing init verbosity on booting, it gives them a graphical animation |
| 10:05.30 | KsM | so they don't think it's "broken" |
| 10:05.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok... |
| 10:05.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | ah i see |
| 10:05.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | been awhile, i tend to think the oppisite. |
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| 10:07.50 | ompaul | Eryn_1983_FL: you could download all the dvds if you need a new one burn that |
| 10:08.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 10:08.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | well i wont have a car while i am there and i am not walking to town nor biking |
| 10:08.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | so either they drive me or i am sol |
| 10:08.40 | ompaul | Eryn_1983_FL: however I tend to think, you should carry it all. you'll need the .debs |
| 10:08.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 10:08.55 | ompaul | no either they drive you or they are |
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| 10:09.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
| 10:09.39 | ompaul | no either they drive you or they are out of luck |
| 10:09.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | ah |
| 10:09.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | true |
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| 10:10.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | i dunno there is something wrong about a 24 year old who dont got a laptop.. |
| 10:10.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | so i am making her one. |
| 10:12.06 | kwork | why do you need laptop nowdays ? |
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| 10:12.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | so she can do stuff? |
| 10:12.38 | kwork | you cant do stuff on your pc ? |
| 10:12.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | shes got a phone but she cant do school stuff on it |
| 10:12.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | kwork: its not for me.. |
| 10:13.34 | kwork | my point is, imho you can get much better pc for the money of good notebook |
| 10:13.39 | kwork | you are going to use at home anyways |
| 10:13.45 | kwork | why go for notebook in the first place |
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| 10:14.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | well, she dosnt have internet at home, no job at the moment, and the laptop she can take across thr street to krystals and get wifi |
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| 10:14.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | if she cant get it on her phone and i am giving it to her. |
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| 10:15.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | but you are quite right i prefer desktops |
| 10:15.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | over laptops for home use. |
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| 10:54.10 | Arroyo1010 | Hi guys, could anyone look at my NFSv4 problem? http://pastie.org/4460097 |
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| 10:57.25 | tremon | does the same thing happen if you only reboot the client? Do pings work immediately after boot? |
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| 10:57.55 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: let me try it. give me ~60 seconds |
| 10:59.05 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: Works right away if the server has been booted some time |
| 10:59.31 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: let me try pings when rebooting both |
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| 11:01.20 | Arroyo1010 | ah, pings don't work etiher! |
| 11:02.01 | tremon | I guess you need to look for the bug in the networking setup |
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| 11:02.22 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: thank you so much. It also might be the virtualbox intnet, if everything is fine there. Thank you so much |
| 11:02.34 | tremon | either the server is slow in bringing its interface up, or virtualbox has trouble getting started after a vnet has 0 users |
| 11:02.51 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: my thoughts exactly |
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| 11:03.00 | tremon | happy hunting :) |
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| 11:04.39 | Arroyo1010 | :D |
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| 11:05.51 | Arroyo1010 | no... wait. I had a firewall that time on the server :( it pings right away after boot, after all |
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| 11:06.28 | Arroyo1010 | one more thing: ls command works right away |
| 11:06.40 | Arroyo1010 | any read/write commands don't. They start working after 20 sec or so |
| 11:07.24 | Arroyo1010 | they hang, to be more precise, for 20 sec or so |
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| 11:09.06 | tremon | there shouldn't be any difference between doing an ls or reading a small file. but you may try experimenting with different wsize, maybe nfs defaults to a wsize that doesn't work, and needs to try several before finding one that works |
| 11:09.28 | tremon | (doesn't work /in your setup/) |
| 11:09.44 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: let me try the min/max/medium values for wsize and rsize. thanks for the tip! |
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| 11:10.09 | hex20dec | What's a good software for power management? |
| 11:10.09 | hex20dec | I cannot set screen timeout with my current software. |
| 11:11.20 | tremon | otherwise, you can enable debug in /etc/default/nfs-common (multiple -v's to the OPTS) |
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| 11:13.21 | hex20dec | Anyone? |
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| 11:14.08 | tremon | hex20dec: it might help if you explain what you're using now, and which desktop environment |
| 11:14.21 | hex20dec | Gnome |
| 11:14.44 | hex20dec | And I installed xfce power manager. |
| 11:15.05 | hex20dec | And also the native power manager doesn't have it. |
| 11:15.28 | tremon | hmm... I thought gnome did have a screen blanking options |
| 11:15.45 | tremon | well... low-level, you can look at using xset |
| 11:16.37 | abrotman | hex20dec: what DE are you using ? |
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| 11:17.48 | hex20dec | Gnome |
| 11:17.59 | hex20dec | You forgot we installed it yesterday? |
| 11:18.00 | hex20dec | =P |
| 11:19.09 | hex20dec | tremon: Thanks, xset has many options there. |
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| 11:20.57 | abrotman | hex20dec: you might have changed! |
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| 11:21.11 | hex20dec | True.. |
| 11:21.14 | abrotman | hex20dec: gnome has a power manager applet .. does it now work at all? have you tried to configure it? |
| 11:21.31 | hex20dec | I have tried, but it has very little options. |
| 11:22.16 | hex20dec | I will use xset, I like cli better regardless. |
| 11:23.24 | hex20dec | abrotman: Is there a command to append a string to a text file? |
| 11:23.45 | hex20dec | Instead of opening the text file in vim or gedit. |
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| 11:24.32 | hex20dec | I'm guessing vi or vim parameters should have it. |
| 11:24.36 | hex20dec | I will check the manual. |
| 11:24.39 | abrotman | hex20dec: cat foo >> file ; note the >> is VERY important |
| 11:24.53 | abrotman | if you do a single >, it will overwrite the file |
| 11:25.28 | hex20dec | Why cat? Isn't cat to display the content of the file? I use echo. |
| 11:25.47 | frostschutz | it's just an example |
| 11:25.56 | abrotman | however you'd like to do it .. the important part is the >> file |
| 11:26.05 | hex20dec | Alright, great! |
| 11:26.06 | hex20dec | =D |
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| 11:27.36 | hex20dec | Works perfectly. =D Gotta love linux. |
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| 11:35.24 | SLFCore | greetings |
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| 11:40.47 | ratatata | nu |
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| 11:46.46 | EVX | anyone here able to help me with a virtualbox problem? |
| 11:46.52 | abrotman | EVX: just ask |
| 11:48.02 | EVX | could i get assist on a problem with virtualbox i've setup so i can ssh into it from same computer as the host for virtualbox but when i try to ssh from another computer or from mobile it won't connect i have missed something and that is what i need to know what i missed ;) i guess it's only configured by Lan any ideas would be great. i know from what i have googled that you have to do something else to get it working outside |
| 11:48.02 | EVX | the private network /lan.. |
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| 11:50.13 | krababbel | EVX: First, usually you need to forward port 22 or whatever you use because you have NAT enabled, all on your router. |
| 11:50.16 | nkuttler | EVX: use a bridged nic |
| 11:51.10 | krababbel | EVX: I guess you want to connect from outside your LAN? Otherwise bridged NIC in vbox should be enough. |
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| 11:51.41 | EVX | yes i want to be able to ssh from other computers and from mobile phone etc.. |
| 11:52.02 | nkuttler | EVX: are they on the same network as the vbox host ? |
| 11:52.10 | EVX | nope. |
| 11:53.16 | nkuttler | yeah, port forwarding then, or ssh router -> ssh vbox |
| 11:53.37 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: it's not 20 sec, its 90sec total from nfsd start. It's nfs' grace period whcih is hard coded in the kernel setup. IT cannot be changed via config files. However, it has a huge upside. If you, on client, mount with nfs4 type and soft option, the client will be able to continue writing/reading where it left off during that grace period. It's a protection mechanism |
| 11:54.02 | Arroyo1010 | *continue if server reboots violently |
| 11:54.10 | Arroyo1010 | or non violently :D |
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| 11:56.06 | tremon | Arroyo1010: ah, thanks for following up. If I understand you correctly, the first 90 seconds after nfsd start (on the server), all writes are delayed to give pending client operations from before the restart a chance to finish first? |
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| 11:56.39 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: yes. best explained here http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19082-01/819-1634/rfsrefer-138/index.html |
| 11:57.20 | hex20dec | abrotman: When using ls in root it does not colorize the files. I checked the manual and it says to use --color[=auto/always/never] |
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| 11:57.25 | hex20dec | I set it to always |
| 11:57.32 | Arroyo1010 | it took me a lot because i have been crashing my server and testing with client's hard/soft options :) |
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| 11:57.35 | tremon | thx. That's very good to know |
| 11:57.39 | hex20dec | but then I type ls again and it's normal |
| 11:57.51 | hex20dec | Meaning no colors. |
| 11:58.19 | abrotman | hex20dec: that's not a setting |
| 11:58.28 | hex20dec | How do I set it then? |
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| 12:01.01 | tremon | hex20dec: man dircolors |
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| 12:01.24 | hex20dec | Great! |
| 12:01.27 | Arroyo1010 | tremon: nfs (v4) is terribly documented :( I might write up a blog post or something when i'm done learning about it |
| 12:01.28 | hex20dec | Thanks. |
| 12:02.04 | tremon | Arroyo1010: no argument there -- sadly ;) |
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| 12:05.23 | oops | 'long long int' is introduced in C99. I don't understand how then it compiles fine when I compile with gcc -std=c89 -pedantic -Wall -Wextra. |
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| 12:06.21 | tremon | oops? |
| 12:07.30 | abrotman | 89 is lower than 99 ? |
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| 12:14.53 | hex20deb | What does the period(.) command do? |
| 12:15.10 | hex20deb | Also, Why isn't there a manual for so many things? |
| 12:15.35 | rypervenche | hex20deb: source |
| 12:15.40 | ptrkmj | hex20deb: help . |
| 12:16.11 | rypervenche | hex20deb: . .bashrc == source .bashrc |
| 12:16.40 | hex20deb | rypervenche: Ah.. |
| 12:16.44 | hex20deb | Thanks. |
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| 12:17.09 | hex20deb | I didn't know help shows different information than man |
| 12:17.24 | hex20deb | Any other commands to show information that I'm not aware of? |
| 12:17.41 | hex20deb | I know man, --info, help |
| 12:17.43 | babilen | hex20deb: And it is a bash built-in -- You therefore need to use "help ." (like for example "disown") |
| 12:18.17 | rypervenche | info is another |
| 12:18.21 | ptrkmj | hexdeb: help shows information about shell builtin commands, try "help help" |
| 12:18.47 | hex20deb | Oh, cool. |
| 12:18.54 | hex20deb | I'm understanding it better now. |
| 12:20.09 | ptrkmj | many of GNU utilities have their documentation in info format like e.g. coreutils |
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| 12:24.08 | abrotman | ptrkmj: hex<tab> |
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| 12:25.24 | ptrkmj | abrotman: ? |
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| 12:25.50 | hex20deb | ptrkmj: He's claiming you didn't say my nick correctly. |
| 12:25.59 | hex20deb | Even though I saw your messages. |
| 12:26.03 | hex20deb | Don't worry about it. |
| 12:26.29 | abrotman | not claiming .. he didn't :) |
| 12:26.37 | ptrkmj | oh, i thought i did use it, strange |
| 12:26.47 | hex20deb | =P |
| 12:26.50 | hex20deb | It's no big deal. |
| 12:26.55 | hex20deb | As long as I saw the message. |
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| 12:27.59 | oops | ptrkmj, he is telling that you can autocomplete confusing and long nicknames simply by typing the first few characters and pressing tab. e.g. hex<tab> |
| 12:28.32 | oops | btw, this feature is not limited to confusing and long nicknames, you can use this feature for any nicknames longer than 1 character. |
| 12:28.44 | hex20deb | I'm pretty sure he knows it. |
| 12:29.02 | ptrkmj | oops: yeah, i know, i'm not an irc guru but have learned it already |
| 12:29.13 | oops | oh! |
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| 12:33.35 | tgs3 | hi dvgrab says no camera |
| 12:33.44 | tgs3 | I can not use firewire 1934 with dvgrab |
| 12:34.05 | tgs3 | problem looks like http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/09/msg00604.html |
| 12:34.25 | tgs3 | so did debian removed 1934 support but left nothing to replace it and firewire users are fucked? |
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| 12:35.10 | Bartzy | hello |
| 12:35.12 | Bartzy | I have 4 x 256GB SSDs with H/W RAID 10, ext4 filesystem. when I do : dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/testfile bs=1M count=30K , to get a 30GB file - the first 12GB are very very fast - almost 1000MB/s. but after that, throughput drops to ~100-120MB/s. Any idea why that can be ? |
| 12:35.59 | tgs3 | Bartzy: how much RAM? maybe the first data is just caching into memory. try hdparm -tT /dev/thedevice |
| 12:36.05 | tgs3 | thedevice like md0 |
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| 12:37.19 | Bartzy | tgs3: It's HW RAID |
| 12:37.22 | Bartzy | tgs3: dd writes to RAM? |
| 12:37.45 | Bartzy | tgs3: Cached reads: 7100MB/s |
| 12:37.45 | abrotman | how much RAM does the box have? |
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| 12:37.52 | Bartzy | disk reads: 712MB/s |
| 12:37.57 | Bartzy | abrotman: 64GB |
| 12:38.11 | abrotman | and how much cache do the SSDs have? |
| 12:38.35 | Bartzy | abrotman: I don't know? |
| 12:38.48 | Bartzy | But dropping to 120MB/s - It can't be their "normal" rate ? |
| 12:38.56 | Bartzy | even 1 SSD can do much much higher |
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| 12:39.05 | Bartzy | 4 SSDs @ 710MB/s seems reasonable. |
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| 12:40.12 | tremon | only on sata3 or sas. sata2 can't go beyond 350 (realistically) |
| 12:40.22 | Bartzy | It's SATA3 |
| 12:40.28 | Bartzy | 10737418240 bytes (11 GB) copied, 8.67769 s, 1.2 GB/s |
| 12:40.40 | Bartzy | That's for: dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1M count=10K |
| 12:40.47 | Bartzy | now let's do 15GB |
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| 12:41.46 | Bartzy | Can it be ext4 journal issue ? |
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| 12:42.02 | frostschutz | Bartzy: one way to find out - write to a raw device without filesystem |
| 12:42.10 | Bartzy | 16106127360 bytes (16 GB) copied, 48.0799 s, 335 MB/s |
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| 12:42.16 | Bartzy | frostschutz: Cool - how? |
| 12:42.34 | frostschutz | of=/dev/something instead of of=testfile |
| 12:42.34 | Bartzy | raw device can be LVM? |
| 12:42.37 | frostschutz | yes |
| 12:42.40 | Bartzy | ok |
| 12:42.41 | Bartzy | testing |
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| 12:42.59 | Bartzy | everyone saw the huge drop from writing 11GB file to 16GB file? :o |
| 12:43.12 | Bartzy | and it's 335MB average - the real throughput after 11GB is like 50-100 MB/s according to iotop |
| 12:43.21 | ptrkmj | debtree is by far the coolest package i've stumbled upon: http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/. i've been playing with it since yesterday. i just can't find the way to generate and view graphs without saving any files to disk. any good viewer that can read dot output on stdin? |
| 12:43.22 | Bartzy | I'm testing writing to a raw device like frostschutz suggested. |
| 12:44.06 | ptrkmj | lxde's gpicview is not capable apparently |
| 12:44.43 | frostschutz | ptrkmj: don't know, but if you don't mind using ram, you could just use tmpfs instead of disk? |
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| 12:45.48 | ptrkmj | frostschutz: i'd prefer doing this in single pipe so that after closing the viewer nothing remains in ram |
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| 12:46.02 | Bartzy | frostschutz: The writes are cached unless I do oflag=direct ? :| |
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| 12:48.28 | frostschutz | ptrkmj: you could try your luck with command | someimageviewer /dev/stdin |
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| 12:49.20 | frostschutz | ptrkmj: or maybe with imagemagick's display |
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| 12:56.07 | ptrkmj | frostschutz: i tried reading /dev/stdin with gpicview but it complains about not recognizing image format (no file extension) |
| 12:56.35 | ptrkmj | debtree gcc | dot -Tpng | gpicview /dev/stdin |
| 12:56.40 | ptrkmj | was the pipe |
| 12:59.39 | ptrkmj | display is an image viewer in imagemagick suite? |
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| 13:00.09 | blubberdiblub | yes |
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| 13:01.59 | ptrkmj | so it can serve as default image viewing application for graphical file managers? |
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| 13:04.58 | blubberdiblub | sure, if you like the ugly user interface it provides |
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| 13:05.57 | ptrkmj | blubberdiblub: i thought so :) |
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| 13:06.53 | EVX | awww yeah solved my virtualbox problem :P |
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| 13:14.39 | hesco | I'm looking for guidance on how to debug an stunnel configuration. I already am running it -D7, but not finding anything useful in syslog which would explain what I'm seeing. |
| 13:15.22 | datachild | I've got saved passwords and bookmarks in Firefox on my windows-box, is there any convenient way for me to simply compy all of it over to iceweasel? |
| 13:15.22 | hesco | if this channel is not the right place for this question, which one might be? |
| 13:16.26 | hesco | datachild: I'd bet they are of the same format on both boxes, save needing perhaps the fromdos filter to prepare them |
| 13:17.32 | hesco | you will want to do a search to determine where those files are stored on each box and migrate them to an appropriate path. but otherwise I'd expect that would work fine. |
| 13:17.32 | datachild | hesco: oh okay. I've tried googling for a answer but didn't find anything so, but it shouldn't be an issue |
| 13:17.49 | datachild | But it'd be very convenient if i could just copy it over, and all my stored bookmarks and passwords would be there |
| 13:18.33 | hesco | m$ uses a line ending in their file format which will need to be accounted for. |
| 13:19.02 | hesco | apt-cache search fromdos should find you the right package for making that conversion. |
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| 13:20.17 | tremon | datachild: have you tried just copying the Fx profile directory (to ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles iirc) and using iceweasel -profilemanager to select it? |
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| 13:26.04 | datachild | tremon: nope, thought i'd ask before i tried anything. But will try that |
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| 13:26.07 | datachild | tremon: thanks :) |
| 13:27.25 | tremon | datachild: the theory says that it should work fine, haven't had to try it myself for some time though |
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| 13:38.45 | hesco | does stunnel log to syslog or am I looking in the wrong place here? |
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| 13:45.23 | tremon | hesco: man stunnel, -D |
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| 13:46.11 | adlwalrus | anyone know why this is throwing syntax error? |
| 13:46.24 | tremon | for debugging, I never let a program fork away, so I'd use -f |
| 13:46.26 | adlwalrus | http://adl.sdf.org/zipem.bash |
| 13:47.23 | ompaul | adlwalrus: what on earth are you trying to achieve? |
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| 13:47.57 | adlwalrus | ompaul: gzip everything without changing it's name. |
| 13:48.22 | tremon | adlwalrus: that's not debian, is it? |
| 13:48.27 | jelly | adlwalrus: no dude, I said #bash not #debian |
| 13:48.28 | ompaul | adlwalrus: why not tar cvfz my.tar.gz ~html/* |
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| 13:48.53 | tremon | ompaul: it's for serving the compressed files (I guess), not creating a backup |
| 13:49.04 | jelly | should have gone left after Albuquerque |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | adlwalrus: eh ... why not do it in one loop? |
| 13:49.08 | adlwalrus | jelly i'm in there too :) |
| 13:49.20 | jelly | ... |
| 13:49.25 | adlwalrus | abrotman: good point. |
| 13:49.28 | ompaul | adlwalrus: very bad form to ask in two channels |
| 13:49.31 | abrotman | adlwalrus: please ask one place .. they'll be able to help you ... good luck |
| 13:49.37 | tremon | adlwalrus: did you happen to mention the actual error message there or are we supposed to keep guessing? |
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| 13:49.41 | jelly | ompaul: that's why he's doing it in three. |
| 13:49.43 | tremon | s/we/they/ |
| 13:49.45 | abrotman | and WTF is /usr/pkg/bin/bash ? |
| 13:49.55 | ompaul | jelly: ahh |
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| 13:50.06 | abrotman | anyway .. let #bash help him |
| 13:50.07 | ompaul | abrotman: an abomination |
| 13:50.34 | abrotman | oh .. a bsd |
| 13:50.46 | ompaul | as I said ;-) |
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| 13:50.59 | ompaul | has a long history with bsd but there you go |
| 13:51.51 | tremon | just out of curiosity, debian/kfreebsd isn't using /usr/pkg, right? |
| 13:52.38 | hesco | tremon: I'm running stunnel -f -D7 but find nothing in syslong which seems related. |
| 13:53.43 | tremon | that's probably because -f means "Stay in foreground (don't fork) and log to stderr instead of via syslog" |
| 13:54.38 | hesco | well I'm not seeing any debug noise in my terminal either |
| 13:54.50 | tremon | hmm... that's not right ;) |
| 13:55.14 | adlwalrus | OMV-User: sorry, i didn't realize that. |
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| 13:55.34 | adlwalrus | ompaul: abrotman ok, will do from now on. |
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| 13:56.09 | tremon | hesco: have you tried -D7 with and without space? Some programs tend to ignore unknown options |
| 13:56.14 | Skilz | How can I change my Xorg resolution please? |
| 13:56.48 | tremon | Skilz: ctrl-alt-dash or ctrl-alt-plus |
| 13:57.05 | tremon | at least that's what used to work |
| 13:57.13 | tremon | otherwise, man xrandr |
| 13:57.19 | Skilz | It's set at 800x600 but I want to use 1280x800, I don't even have GNOME or KDE |
| 13:57.33 | Skilz | Only CDE and WMaker. |
| 13:57.46 | Skilz | I need to edit the Xorg.conf file |
| 13:57.54 | abrotman | sonuds like an nvidia problem |
| 13:57.57 | tremon | are you using the vesa driver? |
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| 13:58.12 | Skilz | Not sure, it's a virtual install on a MacBook Pro |
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| 13:58.31 | abrotman | it's whatever it emulates |
| 13:58.32 | Skilz | I normally use the 'lxrandr' program to change it ones the window manager has loaded. |
| 13:58.33 | jelly | Skilz: if "xrandr" output shows your destination resolution available, you can use "xrandr -s ..." |
| 13:58.43 | Skilz | But it leaves the screen screwed up like wallpaper ect |
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| 13:59.34 | tremon | iirc the vesa driver can't go beyond 800x600. You need to find out what video driver you need |
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| 13:59.51 | Thunderchild | hello. I was wondering whether you can answer me something I don't understand: when I open aptitude on a new install, almost no packages are marked as auto-installed. |
| 14:00.05 | Thunderchild | won't that leave a lot of cruft in the system once I start removing individual applications? |
| 14:00.15 | Thunderchild | because libs that are no longer needed are not recognised as such |
| 14:00.53 | Skilz | I can change my res to 1280x800 using 'lxrandr' and 'xrandr -s 1280x800' but thats only once Xorg is loaded, I need to permanantly set it to 1280x800 so when Xorg loads it's set to that not the default 800x600. |
| 14:01.02 | abrotman | Thunderchild: is it a minimal install? |
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| 14:01.44 | tremon | Thunderchild: it's why I prefer to do a minimal install, then use apt to install what I want |
| 14:02.05 | Thunderchild | abrotman, tremon: me too. |
| 14:02.10 | Thunderchild | I first noticed it in Ubuntu |
| 14:02.11 | abrotman | Thunderchild: at any rate, you can use aptitude to mark them as auto .. |
| 14:02.22 | Thunderchild | which made me aware of it, so I noticed it in Debian, too |
| 14:02.25 | abrotman | but if it's a minimal install, those are generally required or standard packages |
| 14:02.36 | tremon | searches his bash snippets |
| 14:02.45 | Skilz | Any ideas? |
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| 14:02.50 | Skilz | How do I edit Xorg.conf? |
| 14:02.59 | Skilz | For the default resolution |
| 14:03.01 | abrotman | with an editor |
| 14:03.12 | Skilz | Yes, but, where is the file? |
| 14:03.13 | tremon | Skilz: sudo $EDITOR /etc/X11/xorg.conf works on most systems |
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| 14:03.48 | rv6502p | hi, I just updated to latest deb and now ecryptfs-mount-private doesnt work |
| 14:04.14 | Skilz | tremon: There is no xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/ |
| 14:04.33 | tremon | Thunderchild: I've had some success with aptitude markauto '?installed ?not(?automatic) ?reverse-Depends(?installed)', but with dependency loops this might remove too much |
| 14:04.48 | tremon | s/remove too much/still remove packages/ |
| 14:05.06 | Thunderchild | tremon: gee thanks. I'm not actually looking for a solution, I just wanted to see the reason behind it ;-) |
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| 14:05.31 | tremon | if you have keep-recommends, repeat for ?reverse-Recommends, same for suggested |
| 14:06.02 | abrotman | Thunderchild: oh, i vaguely recall taht the installer uses dpkg directly |
| 14:06.15 | tremon | Thunderchild: iirc, the reason is that tasksel packages are not actually packages which have the package list as dependencies |
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| 14:06.25 | Thunderchild | aha |
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| 14:06.47 | tremon | they are actual package lists, unlike e.g. ubuntu which has ubuntu-standard, ubuntu-minimal etc as actual packages |
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| 14:07.16 | rv6502p | ecryptfs-insert"wraped-passphrase broke with the latest squeeze update |
| 14:08.09 | Thunderchild | tremon: Ubuntu also has loads of libs that are not auto-installed |
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| 14:08.17 | Skilz | Debian ignores Xorg.conf |
| 14:08.20 | Thunderchild | I remember going through a list recently in a virtual 12.04 |
| 14:08.24 | abrotman | Skilz: no |
| 14:08.25 | jelly | rv6502p: that's bad, have you filed a bug report |
| 14:08.26 | n_np | do exim mail accounts have to be system level accounts? |
| 14:08.30 | abrotman | no |
| 14:08.33 | Skilz | So how can I set the default resolution via commands/editor? |
| 14:08.33 | tremon | Skilz: try without capitals |
| 14:08.49 | Skilz | tremon: What capitals? |
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| 14:09.19 | tremon | Skilz: there is no X in xorg.conf |
| 14:09.19 | rv6502p | jelly: I would if I could access my laptop |
| 14:09.19 | abrotman | Thunderchild: if the installer uses dpkg directly, the non/auto status won't be recorded |
| 14:09.28 | Skilz | There is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ |
| 14:09.40 | abrotman | create one .. |
| 14:09.48 | Skilz | How? |
| 14:09.49 | Thunderchild | I understand that. dpkg does the installation, where as apt* does the dependency managament# |
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| 14:10.07 | Skilz | Where is Xorg drawing it's settings from now? |
| 14:10.21 | abrotman | it guesses the best it can |
| 14:10.37 | Skilz | Okay so how do I generate one? |
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| 14:11.07 | abrotman | man Xorg |
| 14:11.07 | rv6502p | any easy way to revert an update ? |
| 14:11.15 | abrotman | !tell rv6502p about downgrade |
| 14:11.54 | rv6502p | abrotman, thks |
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| 14:16.40 | hesco | Am I reading this right? |
| 14:16.41 | hesco | Aug 12 09:14:16 petition kernel: [111914692.560320] iptables denied: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:15:5d:2c:82:01:08:00 SRC=10.1.44.53 DST=10.1.44.255 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=11419 PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=58 |
| 14:16.41 | hesco | is traffic to port 137? DPT = destination port ? from syslog. |
| 14:17.36 | abrotman | would appear so ... what's so bad about that ? |
| 14:17.38 | Skilz | http://paste.debian.net/183229/ Is my new config file, where and how do I specify the resolution in there? |
| 14:17.49 | abrotman | hesco: that's a netbios port |
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| 14:18.06 | datachild | Got some issues with my ThinkPad T60 and it's Wifi, i can see the interface and all but i cannot bring it up. Wat2do? |
| 14:18.26 | abrotman | datachild: have the firmware installed ? |
| 14:18.33 | datachild | yep |
| 14:18.53 | abrotman | what's the error |
| 14:18.54 | abrotman | ? |
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| 14:19.38 | hesco | abortman. then all of the entries in my syslog are for port 137 and I'm not seeing anything of my attempts to use stunnel to pipe mysql requests from my desktop development environment to my database server. |
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| 14:19.46 | abrotman | what? |
| 14:19.46 | datachild | abrotman: http://askubuntu.com/questions/33818/lost-wireless-connection-and-detection |
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| 14:19.52 | datachild | abrotman: similar issues to this |
| 14:19.56 | abrotman | datachild: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 14:20.07 | datachild | 3.2.0-3-686-pae |
| 14:20.12 | abrotman | hesco: that means iptables isn't blocking it .. |
| 14:20.20 | abrotman | datachild: are you using rfkill ? |
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| 14:20.30 | abrotman | feels like a T60 is pretty old and shuld just work |
| 14:20.43 | hesco | neither is stunnel leaving any evidence in syslog as to why my db connections are failing |
| 14:20.44 | datachild | Not that i am aware of, it's basically a netinstall and dist-upgrade to wheezy |
| 14:20.52 | datachild | abrotman: yeah, thats what i thought as well |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | datachild: does your T60 have a hardware or software kill switch ? |
| 14:21.04 | datachild | hardware |
| 14:21.13 | datachild | It's turned on, checked it in bios and all |
| 14:21.16 | abrotman | and you've tried toggling it ? |
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| 14:21.21 | datachild | yes |
| 14:21.29 | abrotman | what is showing up in your dmesg when you do that? |
| 14:21.47 | Skilz | Okay now how to make Debian read the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
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| 14:22.00 | abrotman | Skilz: it just will |
| 14:22.18 | Skilz | Okay, well the resolution didn't work |
| 14:22.37 | datachild | abrotman: can't see it actually doing anything :/ |
| 14:22.38 | abrotman | then something else is wrong |
| 14:22.40 | Skilz | I renamed it from xorg.conf.new to xorg.conf, correct? |
| 14:22.45 | abrotman | Skilz: look in your Xorg.0.log |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | Skilz: yes |
| 14:22.53 | abrotman | datachild: when you turn it off/on ? |
| 14:23.20 | Skilz | abrotman: Take a look what I have under screens for the first one http://paste.debian.net/183230/ |
| 14:23.36 | ceil | there's still xorg.conf? :o |
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| 14:24.04 | datachild | abrotman: exactly, doesn't output anything in dmesg if i push the little switch on the lappy on nor off |
| 14:24.05 | abrotman | ceil: if you require one, yes |
| 14:24.14 | abrotman | datachild: so it's a Fn switch ? |
| 14:24.23 | abrotman | has both .. yay |
| 14:24.29 | datachild | excuse my somewhat lacking knowledge in this matter, very.. confused |
| 14:24.40 | Skilz | PCI:*(0:0:15:0) 15ad:0405:15ad:0405 VMware SVGA II Adapter rev 0, Mem @ 0xd0000000/134217728, 0xc8800000/8388608, I/O @ 0x000010d0/16, BIOS @ 0x????????/32768 |
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| 14:25.27 | datachild | abrotman: http://i.stack.imgur.com/BF0xE.jpg |
| 14:25.36 | Skilz | abrotman: Here is my log http://paste.debian.net/183231/ |
| 14:26.05 | abrotman | Skilz: read it .. what does it say ? |
| 14:26.24 | abrotman | datachild: but what is on your F5 key? |
| 14:26.34 | abrotman | datachild: do you hve a blue mark that looks like your computer is shaking ? |
| 14:26.52 | abrotman | thinks datachild has the cleanest/whitest desk ever |
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| 14:27.35 | datachild | abrotman: correct, doesn't do anything if i press it |
| 14:27.40 | datachild | ie, fn+f5 |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | datachild: i can't remember if that's for wifi or bluetooth |
| 14:27.55 | Skilz | abrotman: I am asking for help, I don't understand the computer codes. |
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| 14:28.58 | tremon | vmwlegacy(0): Monitor0: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz |
| 14:29.09 | abrotman | Skilz: it seems unable to detect other ranges when it starts |
| 14:29.11 | tremon | Skilz: that value is way too low ^^ |
| 14:29.12 | datachild | abrotman: me neither, lol. Seems like the others work atleast, sleepmode etc workes, so the hotkeys themselves seem to be functioning |
| 14:29.18 | abrotman | datachild: so toggling the switch does nothing at all ? |
| 14:29.29 | datachild | abrotman: nope |
| 14:29.37 | Skilz | ? |
| 14:29.53 | abrotman | datachild: dmesg | grep wlan |
| 14:30.04 | tremon | try adding HorizSync 31-85 to the monitor section (no guarantees if it breaks the vmware driver though) |
| 14:30.13 | abrotman | datachild: wait .. it shows in ifconfig and in dmesg ? |
| 14:30.16 | tremon | Skilz: ^^ |
| 14:30.48 | crash_ | how do you get wine 1.5.10 on debian wheezy, the debian package repo thing on whinehq is only 1.5.5 and when i try to build from source it says i need to install 32-bit libraries but i have already installed ia32-libs and other libs |
| 14:31.55 | tremon | Skilz: also, 1280x800 is not in the driver's modelist, so you need to generate your own modeline |
| 14:32.06 | datachild | abrotman: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | that's it ? |
| 14:32.31 | abrotman | from dmesg ? |
| 14:33.44 | datachild | abrotman: no, that was output from lspci -v |
| 14:33.52 | datachild | cant see any trace of it in dmesg |
| 14:34.11 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 14:34.22 | abrotman | datachild: lsmod | grep iwl .. module loaded ? |
| 14:34.44 | datachild | Yep |
| 14:34.54 | datachild | also, thanks a bunch for trying to help me, highly appreciated |
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| 14:35.44 | abrotman | datachild: can you paste your entire /var/log/dmesg at paste.debian.net |
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| 14:36.15 | datachild | absolutly |
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| 14:40.22 | Skilz | Okay this worked |
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| 14:40.26 | Skilz | Section "Monitor" |
| 14:40.26 | Skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.26 | Skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.27 | Skilz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.39 | Skilz | Sorry |
| 14:40.47 | Skilz | But now it's too small |
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| 14:41.47 | Skilz | It's 1792x1344 |
| 14:41.49 | Skilz | lol |
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| 14:43.40 | datachild | abrotman: http://sprunge.us/GhGY |
| 14:44.21 | datachild | abrotman: iwl3945 0000:03:00.0: Detected Intel Wireless WiFi Link 3945ABG |
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| 14:47.25 | abrotman | datachild: what if you 'modprobe -r iwlwifi;modprobe iwlwifi' |
| 14:47.48 | rv6502p | great, reportbug crashes |
| 14:48.19 | rv6502p | gtk assert |
| 14:48.26 | rv6502p | .... text it is |
| 14:48.48 | datachild | abrotman: nothing |
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| 14:49.40 | abrotman | datachild: still reading |
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| 14:51.50 | datachild | abrotman: appreciated. I'm really confused as to what is going on, the laptop is quiet old and should work fine |
| 14:52.15 | abrotman | it worked fine with squeeze? |
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| 14:54.08 | datachild | abrotman: didn't try, considering just switching distro tho, too much work and too little time |
| 14:54.30 | abrotman | datachild: it does tell you that your BIOS is out of date .. not sure how it knows that :) |
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| 14:54.43 | abrotman | datachild: ah okay .. i thought oyu said squeeze was on there before |
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| 14:55.54 | datachild | abrotman: ah yeah, it's actually not out of date afaik, there is just no newer bios |
| 14:56.18 | abrotman | [ 6.356484] thinkpad_acpi: WARNING: Outdated ThinkPad BIOS/EC firmware |
| 14:56.19 | abrotman | [ 6.356487] thinkpad_acpi: WARNING: This firmware may be missing critical bug fixes and/or important features |
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| 14:57.36 | abrotman | datachild: well, i don't see any reason it shouldn't load that driver, but that's what's going on. |
| 14:57.40 | abrotman | erm .. create the device .. sorry |
| 14:57.53 | abrotman | datachild: be appreciated if you'd submit an installation report though .. they might be able to fix it |
| 14:57.59 | datachild | abrotman: ah yeah, it's.. weird |
| 14:58.04 | wkhan113 | hi, I get an error when trying to ajust sound: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 14:58.20 | abrotman | datachild: 100% agree .. |
| 14:58.23 | wkhan113 | What can I do? |
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| 14:58.30 | datachild | abrotman: where would i do that? i'd be glad to help out to fix any potential bugs |
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| 14:58.44 | datachild | abrotman: I'm going to double-check the BIOS + Updates now tho |
| 14:58.51 | abrotman | datachild: does the wired internet work ? |
| 14:59.33 | datachild | yup |
| 14:59.39 | abrotman | datachild: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04.html.en#problem-report .. read those lower two sections |
| 14:59.49 | datachild | Thank you |
| 14:59.59 | abrotman | datachild: make note of the "installation-reports" package it mentions |
| 15:00.09 | abrotman | datachild: ensure you include an lspci -nn and maybe an lshw |
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| 15:01.59 | abrotman | datachild: oddly, my thinkpad is newer, works fine |
| 15:02.12 | abrotman | datachild: i wonder if it's a setting in your BIOS that is causing a conflict |
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| 15:02.58 | hesco | So I have a theory that this rule ought to let my mysqls connections riding stunnel4 from here to the db server to get through to the stunnel.conf on that end where they get rerouted to 127.0.0.1:3306 for handling by the mysql daemon. |
| 15:02.58 | hesco | ACCEPT tcp -- c-174-48-250-91.hsd1.fl.comcast.net anywhere tcp spts:1024:65535 dpt:3307 state NEW,ESTABLISHED |
| 15:02.58 | hesco | is that out of step with reality if earlier I also have this: ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ??? |
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| 15:04.50 | wkhan113 | hi, I get an error when trying to ajust sound: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 15:05.14 | datachild | abrotman: yeah, checking that now |
| 15:05.18 | hesco | does alsamixer give you anything? |
| 15:05.38 | datachild | abrotman: i just checked bios updates, i'm running the latest |
| 15:05.40 | hesco | wkhan113: ^^^^^ |
| 15:05.52 | wkhan113 | What can I do? |
| 15:06.15 | wkhan113 | cannot load mixer controls: Invalid argument |
| 15:06.23 | wkhan113 | Thats what it gives |
| 15:06.37 | hesco | alsamixer gives you that? |
| 15:07.00 | wkhan113 | When I run the command? from CLI yes? |
| 15:07.32 | boudiccas | wkhan113: what DE are you using? |
| 15:07.41 | datachild | abrotman: and, it's available in bios and enabled, not much more options on that front there |
| 15:07.59 | wkhan113 | boudiccas: Gnome |
| 15:08.25 | boudiccas | wkhan113: okay, go to systems > preferences > sound and see what happens |
| 15:08.49 | wkhan113 | It gives the same error: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. |
| 15:08.51 | abrotman | datachild: i meant something conflicting |
| 15:09.02 | abrotman | datachild: have a liveCD nearby you can try ? |
| 15:09.04 | boudiccas | wkhan113: so install them |
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| 15:10.55 | hesco | wkhan113: I'm assuming that your audio has been working but is not now working. then I'd begin to wonder if the hardware is an issue. I sometimes go a couple of weeks at a time without music because I'm not ready to reboot my desktop, sometimes that has been my only option for restoring audio. Have never sorted out what exactly it is, but neither have I really invested the time in learning alsa |
| 15:11.20 | wkhan113 | I have! Ill post dpkg and lspci for you: http://paste.debian.net/183238/ |
| 15:11.30 | wkhan113 | boudiccas: ^ |
| 15:12.36 | wkhan113 | hesco: It was working before, but I reinstalled Debian and its stopped working now. That error is everywhere! |
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| 15:14.08 | boudiccas | wkhan113: are you running squeeze or wheezy? |
| 15:14.20 | wkhan113 | boudiccas: Squeeze. |
| 15:14.20 | hesco | then the advice about installing what is missing seems on point |
| 15:15.02 | datachild | abrotman: hmm, good point. I'll try putting something like fedora on a usb-stick |
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| 15:15.05 | wkhan113 | hesco: Alsa and gstreamer are both installed. I have also installed gnome media.. |
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| 15:15.31 | boudiccas | wkhan113: load up synaptic and search for sound and go through and see if there is anything else you can load in which it may be missing |
| 15:15.55 | wkhan113 | boudiccas: Ok. will do |
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| 15:20.17 | SLFCore | greetings |
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| 15:26.12 | ptrkmj | is it possible to produce a beep (from pc built-in speaker) using a terminal command? |
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| 15:27.44 | KsM | ptrkmj: install the package "beep" or do echo -e "\a" |
| 15:29.21 | ptrkmj | KsM: echo -e '\a' doesn't produce a beep |
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| 15:30.19 | KsM | It should, maybe the kernel module "pcspkr" isn't loaded? |
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| 15:30.49 | boudiccas | ptrkmj: thats because you didnt key in /exactly/ what was said! try again |
| 15:30.50 | ptrkmj | how do i query if the module is loaded? |
| 15:31.20 | KsM | lsmod | grep pcspkr |
| 15:31.29 | hesco | lsmod, was it? |
| 15:31.59 | ptrkmj | boudiccas: echo -e "\a" doesn't beep either |
| 15:32.12 | KsM | and, I just noticed something, after I fully switched to alsamixer, apparently these beeps don't work for me anymore |
| 15:32.14 | KsM | argh. |
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| 15:32.35 | ptrkmj | pcspkr seems to be loaded |
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| 15:35.09 | KsM | brb. |
| 15:35.46 | ptrkmj | i tried both in lxterminal and in xterm |
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| 15:36.31 | Guest47776 | !lst |
| 15:36.37 | Guest47776 | !list |
| 15:36.37 | dpkg | guest47776: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:37.36 | ptrkmj | oh, i've just noticed that beep works outside of X on VTs |
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| 15:40.43 | abrotman | the echo isn't a great test |
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| 15:42.13 | Caelum | what is linux-gate.so.1, ldd on my .so shows it but no path for it |
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| 15:43.28 | abrotman | ldd against what binary? |
| 15:43.50 | Caelum | an odbc driver I compiled (the firebird one) |
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| 15:44.10 | abrotman | you compiled ? |
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| 15:44.58 | n_np | how do i open port 2525 on my firewall? |
| 15:45.12 | Caelum | it depends on your firewall |
| 15:45.15 | n_np | its deb 5.0.5 im a bit of a newb |
| 15:45.18 | n_np | i think its the default |
| 15:45.21 | ptrkmj | just got disconnected, if anyone had anything to say regarding my beeper please resend |
| 15:45.27 | abrotman | n_np: 6.0.5 i hope you mean ? |
| 15:45.29 | zecrazytux | n_np: man iptables |
| 15:45.35 | n_np | oopsi meant 6.0.5 yeh |
| 15:45.42 | n_np | thanks zec |
| 15:45.56 | abrotman | uhm .. he never said what his firewall was ? |
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| 15:46.09 | jelly-home | n_np: debian does not offer a local firewall by default, does it? |
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| 15:46.53 | sney | it doesn't even have a firewall task |
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| 15:47.05 | DasEi | jelly-home: ufw ?! |
| 15:47.07 | n_np | it seems to be using iptables |
| 15:47.21 | n_np | hi abrotman ltns |
| 15:47.24 | debbb | Hi, I have been trying to run apt get-install build-essentials from terminal. It shows that I need to download 60 MB of packages, but after pressing Y, I get this error: Cannot initiate the connection to security.debian.org:80 (2607:ea00:101:3c0b:207:e9ff:fe00:e595). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2607:ea00:101:3c0b:207:e9ff:fe00:e595 80] |
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| 15:48.22 | sney | debbb: it's trying to connect with ipv6. do you use ipv6 for anything? if not you can turn it off |
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| 15:48.40 | debbb | sney: no I do not use IPv6, how can I turn it off |
| 15:48.41 | debbb | ? |
| 15:48.51 | jelly-home | DasEi: does it come with the default installation or with the desktop task? |
| 15:48.59 | sney | !tell debbb about noipv6 |
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| 15:49.06 | sney | debbb: see your message from dpkg |
| 15:49.19 | abrotman | n_np: what makes you think you have to open it ? |
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| 15:50.02 | DasEi | jelly-home: let me check (lubuntu host right here ), I 'think' it's default install, though not enabled, second, vm starting.. |
| 15:50.22 | jelly-home | DasEi: it's definitely not part of base system |
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| 15:55.06 | DasEi1 | jelly-home: yes, it's not installed by default, ubuntu does, nt so debian |
| 15:55.13 | DasEi1 | not* |
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| 15:56.02 | jelly-home | DasEi1: best no make assumptions about similar distros. |
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| 16:00.20 | mparodi | Hello guys |
| 16:00.33 | mparodi | does anyone know how to configure exim correctly? |
| 16:00.57 | sneex | its local by default |
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| 16:01.12 | mparodi | I used this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4, but even if it seems to be working no mail is sended |
| 16:01.13 | michelelv | ciao a tutti |
| 16:01.15 | mparodi | sent* |
| 16:01.16 | sneex | did yuo install exim fat? |
| 16:01.31 | mparodi | here is the log in /var/log/exim4/mainlog when I tried to send an email: http://paste.kde.org/533072 |
| 16:01.33 | michelelv | batman |
| 16:01.38 | mparodi | here is the output of "host smtp.gmail.com": http://paste.kde.org/533078 |
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| 16:02.28 | mparodi | <sneex> did yuo install exim fat? <- exim fat? no, I installed exim4 |
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| 16:04.20 | sneex | I shoud have said: exim4-daemon-heavy |
| 16:04.27 | sneex | should* |
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| 16:09.20 | mparodi | sneex, I have exim4-daemon-light installed, what's the difference? |
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| 16:09.48 | mparodi | should I change it? |
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| 16:12.04 | abrotman | that shouldn't matter |
| 16:12.30 | nkuttler | mparodi: apt-cache show package |
| 16:12.32 | abrotman | mparodi: are you trying to send mail to gmail, or via gmail to another account ? |
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| 16:12.52 | mparodi | abramart, via gmail to another account |
| 16:13.08 | mparodi | from foo@gmail.com to bar@whatever.com (in this case I tried whatever == gmail too) |
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| 16:13.49 | incus | hi guys, i have a networking question, if someone is willing to help? |
| 16:13.57 | abrotman | it's stating it's been sent successfully |
| 16:14.00 | abrotman | incus: just ask |
| 16:14.31 | incus | i was wondering, is there a way to temporarily "change" the broadcasted hostname of a computer? |
| 16:14.35 | incus | for instance |
| 16:14.44 | incus | when i connect, my router remembers my hostname |
| 16:14.46 | mparodi | abramart, it's not. in fact gmail has blocked the account and forced me to change the password 3 times already (due to a "possible hijacked")! |
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| 16:15.21 | incus | and i was wondering if it is possible to change that hostname that is broadcasted without changing the actual hostname of a machine (and then rebooting etc) |
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| 16:17.20 | mparodi | ahhhhh wait! |
| 16:17.29 | mparodi | I just sent one using "mail" and it worked" |
| 16:17.36 | mparodi | s/"/!/ |
| 16:17.38 | abrotman | mparodi: that still uses gmail ... |
| 16:17.40 | abrotman | erm .. exim |
| 16:18.10 | mparodi | so the problem is that application I wanted to use (redmine.org) |
| 16:18.27 | abrotman | whatever that might be |
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| 16:19.59 | mparodi | I just read redmine is using sendmail as I have it configured |
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| 16:21.11 | abrotman | that could mean a few things |
| 16:21.18 | n_np | can someone tell me how to set up exim4 so that i can accept emails from my other computers? |
| 16:21.24 | abrotman | you know .. since it's writing to your exim log |
| 16:21.32 | abrotman | n_np: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 16:23.58 | n_np | abrotman but what must i choose for where it says 'allow other sites', or whatever should i put * ? |
| 16:24.41 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 16:27.09 | incus | was my question inapropriate? |
| 16:28.06 | debbb | sney: all these steps needs to be followed to turn it off ? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6#How_to_turn_off_IPv6 |
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| 16:28.50 | Dagger2 | note: if your issue is that apt-get is reporting a failure to connect to a v6 address even though you don't have working IPv6, the fix is not to disable IPv6 |
| 16:29.00 | Dagger2 | the fix is to work out why apt-get is broken on v4, and fix that |
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| 16:29.41 | debbb | Dagger2: hmm ok, :/ |
| 16:33.41 | Iridos | incus, "hostname" changes the hostname... and it's not really clear what you want to accomplish |
| 16:33.53 | debbb | Dagger2: I have just installed debian 6, so nothing has been done by me. The only thing I think could be an issue is that I specified localdomain(default) while specifying the network and changed the hostname to myname |
| 16:34.32 | incus | Iridos: so, imagine that you want to change the info that is broadcasted when your router is trying to get a hold of your data, like hostname |
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| 16:35.04 | incus | the MAC address is easily changed, but i'm wondering how would one go about changing the hostname |
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| 16:35.19 | incus | i don't like disclosing personal information when i'm on public hotspots |
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| 16:35.32 | Dagger2 | try `wget http://security.debian.org/`; it'll show the IPs for the hostname and try to connect |
| 16:36.29 | incus | i tried using "hostname", but my router still gets my "real" hostname, at least wireshark reports it that way |
| 16:36.48 | incus | i don't know if it's becouse of my routers DNS cache |
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| 16:36.51 | incus | or something |
| 16:37.25 | debbb | Dagger2: just to ensure its ok, http://pastebin.com/ihSrw5As |
| 16:37.34 | debbb | Dagger2: its the content of my hosts file |
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| 16:37.46 | incus | and it's funny, when i try to change my hostname by modifying hosts and hostname files, and restart networking etc, it seems that either network manager or my router "pushes" the old hostname in my hosts file |
| 16:38.06 | Iridos | the hostname is a made-up name anyway |
| 16:38.12 | incus | well of course |
| 16:38.30 | Iridos | so it hardly qualifies as "personal information" |
| 16:38.33 | incus | but how would one go about changing it, but just briefly, without rebooting |
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| 16:39.10 | incus | ok, but still, i'd like to use a different host name when in public |
| 16:39.37 | Dagger2 | debbb: nothing wrong with that |
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| 16:41.58 | debbb | Dagger2: probably my ISPs DNS is at fault |
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| 17:36.03 | BuuGhost | How can I effectively run a program without it echoing to the console? |
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| 17:38.02 | dvs | BuuGhost: You mean don't display any output to the console? |
| 17:38.13 | BuuGhost | Yes, something like nohup, but that appends to a file |
| 17:38.23 | BuuGhost | I would like it to not write anything |
| 17:38.37 | abrotman | BuuGhost: foo 2&>/dev/null generally works |
| 17:38.37 | Iridos | program >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 17:38.38 | BuuGhost | (I've been using nohup php index.php &) |
| 17:38.50 | abrotman | why are you running a php file at the console like that? |
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| 17:39.39 | BuuGhost | It's an IRC bot, my lack of experience knows only this way of surpressing its echoing data. |
| 17:39.53 | abrotman | an irc bot .. written in .. PHP ? |
| 17:40.03 | abrotman | please tell me you're not running it as root |
| 17:40.09 | BuuGhost | Ofcourse not, lol. |
| 17:40.16 | abrotman | lolololololol |
| 17:40.41 | Iridos | of course not... it runs as bin |
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| 17:41.10 | BuuGhost | But the point is, it's merely testing out and gaining experience. Trying out new stuff hasn't ever harmed humanity. |
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| 17:41.26 | Iridos | ... said the inventor of the atom bomb |
| 17:41.40 | BuuGhost | There are a few exceptions! |
| 17:42.38 | Iridos | I was just considering to name a few more... |
| 17:42.48 | ompaul | php is exceptional don't forget that |
| 17:43.13 | Iridos | PHP is BASIC for websites |
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| 17:44.50 | sobersabre | hi. guys. |
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| 17:45.22 | sobersabre | I've just spent some time formulating a sudo "misbehaviour" problem, and during that, whilest putting it all out, I found where the problem was. |
| 17:45.37 | sobersabre | s/whilest/whilst/ |
| 17:45.41 | sobersabre | :) |
| 17:45.53 | sobersabre | So, I'd like to thank this channel for helping me :) :) :) |
| 17:47.26 | sobersabre | http://paste.debian.net/183255/ |
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| 17:49.36 | sobersabre | Iridos: are you hunting for pro-php people for trolling ? |
| 17:50.01 | Iridos | no |
| 17:51.24 | sobersabre | k. |
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| 17:52.17 | Hova | hello |
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| 17:54.04 | Iridos | sobersabre, I guess it's better just not to ask what made you do all this and what /var/www/.bashrc.interactive is |
| 17:54.16 | Iridos | that was a short visit... oh well |
| 17:54.18 | Iridos | !next |
| 17:54.18 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:59.09 | ptrkmj | have you tried querying dpkg for "ls"? if not, try ;) |
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| 18:02.55 | gedO | Hello, I have question abaout Courier mail server |
| 18:03.11 | gedO | How to redirect mail form mail box a to mail box b? |
| 18:03.24 | gedO | where I can find information abaout this? |
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| 18:04.31 | abrotman | what's wrong with a .forward ? |
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| 18:05.49 | gedO | abrotman, Where I can find it? |
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| 18:09.10 | abrotman | you create it |
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| 18:10.32 | gedO | abramart, you see, I haven't made this sistem runung, some one else setted it up |
| 18:11.56 | gedO | abrotman, so where usaly this file is held? |
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| 18:12.59 | abrotman | in $HOME for the user |
| 18:13.23 | gedO | abrotman, thank you , I will look :) |
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| 18:19.14 | n_np | hello |
| 18:19.20 | dvs | zzzzzz |
| 18:19.40 | n_np | i want to know, why am i not receiving mail to my dovecot imap mailbox except for root system messages? its not even the root account... |
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| 18:20.20 | n_np | hi dvs |
| 18:20.39 | dvs | hello |
| 18:20.47 | n_np | you tired? |
| 18:21.06 | dvs | yup |
| 18:21.12 | n_np | oh well! |
| 18:21.18 | n_np | i've been fighting with email daemons all day |
| 18:21.19 | n_np | :( |
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| 18:21.52 | rv6502p | looks like the latest debian squeeze update corrupts the .ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase |
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| 18:22.48 | rv6502p | someone else hit the same problem |
| 18:22.50 | rv6502p | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=82738 |
| 18:23.13 | aguitel | anyway to install amsn in testing ? |
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| 18:24.38 | abrotman | why not use pidgin ? |
| 18:25.43 | aguitel | i taste amsn |
| 18:25.57 | Diopter | ugh |
| 18:26.01 | Diopter | amsn is so hideous |
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| 18:28.05 | DerZauberer | Hey people |
| 18:28.26 | rv6502p | there goes my weekend |
| 18:28.28 | dvs | looks around |
| 18:29.11 | DerZauberer | I'm trying to setup a kvm guest remote with virt-manager. I want to use network installation for this one guest. What url do I have to provide to virt-manager? The url to an iso file doesn't work :/ |
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| 18:30.12 | DerZauberer | 'The location must be the root directory of an install tree.' |
| 18:30.40 | DerZauberer | I also tried to extract an iso file and use the path to there. didn't work to |
| 18:31.49 | n_np | anybody know why dovecot is not putting my mail in the correct folder? |
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| 18:34.35 | dvs | n_np: maybe /var/log/mail.log will give you a hint. |
| 18:34.47 | n_np | thanks |
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| 18:36.06 | DerZauberer | no idea where I can find the installation tree on the debian servers? |
| 18:36.27 | Braniac | hid3, does anyone knows what program is installed to get this terminal looks??? http://www.ubuntugeek.com/images/scr/4.png |
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| 18:37.10 | colegatron | hi #debian |
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| 18:39.09 | babilen | Braniac: Looks like a horrible tmux theme |
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| 18:40.03 | Braniac | babilen: probably, but i need the name of the program to use it on a remote ssh computer along with "screen" |
| 18:41.17 | abrotman | tmux ... |
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| 18:50.04 | rrrr | Is thera a way to change the console resolution? |
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| 18:51.55 | break19 | yes. next question? |
| 18:52.07 | rrrr | How |
| 18:52.25 | break19 | sorry, I've answered my limit. |
| 18:52.31 | break19 | seriously though.. vga= |
| 18:52.50 | break19 | google for "vga framebuffer howto" |
| 18:53.12 | rrrr | break19, does it change the screen resolution? |
| 18:53.30 | break19 | you could also just use kms.. which will usually set the res to your screen's native resolution |
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| 18:53.52 | break19 | ... no. I just told you to look for it, for my health.. I'm done. |
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| 18:54.04 | rrrr | and what is ksm? |
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| 18:59.32 | rrrr | break19, I found a tutorial about how to set up framebuffer but this is for gentoo, do you think it is the same for debian? |
| 19:00.31 | rrrr | break19, and about kms I am using a VM, does it work the same? |
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| 19:02.56 | colegatron | I've installed in a virtualbox machin a debian 6.0.5 from a iso cd image. That machine had not internet access while installing and I did not set a mirror at install time. |
| 19:03.24 | dvs | and...? |
| 19:03.38 | colegatron | once installed, I remove the comments on the etc/apt/sources.list and did a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 19:03.56 | RA3OR | and?" |
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| 19:05.25 | colegatron | then I tried to install php5 with apt-get install php5 and I expected apt shows me a list of dependencies and ask for install it |
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| 19:05.48 | abrotman | !tell colegatron about squeeze sources.list |
| 19:05.58 | aguitel | abrotman, only way to install amsn in wheezy is compiling and it works fine right now |
| 19:06.07 | abrotman | aguitel: why not use pidgin |
| 19:06.08 | abrotman | ? |
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| 19:07.08 | aguitel | abrotman, because in this pc many members of my family are using for years the same program |
| 19:07.18 | colegatron | abrotman my sources list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1143522/ |
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| 19:07.37 | abrotman | aguitel: perhaps, but pidgin can do many things more than just msn |
| 19:07.45 | colegatron | abrotman, not sure what should it contains |
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| 19:08.06 | dvs | colegatron: 1) comment out line 3 2) you need to add a main repo |
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| 19:08.07 | aguitel | abrotman, ok |
| 19:08.10 | abrotman | colegatron: see what the bot told you |
| 19:09.13 | colegatron | abrotman, which is the main repo? |
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| 19:09.38 | abrotman | the one that doesn't already exist in your sources.list |
| 19:10.19 | colegatron | sure, but what should i write in the file, I mean |
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| 19:11.14 | dvs | colegatron: the one that dpkg told you |
| 19:12.22 | colegatron | dkpg did told nothing about repos, apt-get install simply throw a dependency warning, but not how to avoid it |
| 19:13.10 | dvs | !squeeze sources.list |
| 19:13.11 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 19:13.20 | abrotman | the bot did tell you .. you just can't seem to find it |
| 19:15.20 | colegatron | ok. thanks |
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| 19:29.52 | sneex | I am afraid to even ask >< |
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| 19:37.38 | sneex | not sure hoq to research this so I must ask -- Ice weasel gets the "platform" its on remotely; in otherwords I am on a VPN on SL6 and I started IW off Debian but it reports RHEL |
| 19:37.51 | sneex | s/hoq/how/ |
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| 19:41.12 | Iridos | sneex, you already had firefox open on your local machine |
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| 19:44.12 | sneex | no; I have iceweasel; I did have firefox going a while ago |
| 19:44.21 | sneex | shared cache? |
| 19:44.53 | Iridos | firefox/iceweasel detects if it is already running and opens a new window from the already existing instance |
| 19:45.09 | sneex | k |
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| 19:45.26 | sneex | I'll reboot and vpn again |
| 19:45.30 | sneex | thx |
| 19:45.31 | Iridos | so if you don't see the information from the remote but from your local system, I would guess |
| 19:45.38 | Iridos | that you just had an instance already running |
| 19:45.49 | Iridos | reboot is a bit too much... |
| 19:46.00 | Iridos | does it identify as iceweasel or as debian? |
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| 19:46.14 | sneex | I understand -- Ive seen this behavioir before but it didnt register :P I'll fix it lol |
| 19:46.18 | cheasee | hi |
| 19:46.21 | Iridos | anyway... I am not sure what you mean with "vpn" |
| 19:46.32 | Iridos | I thought you were talking about an ssh connection and started it remotely |
| 19:46.39 | sneex | IW 10. |
| 19:47.06 | sneex | I am on the remote system via ssh and Im on a SL6 box |
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| 19:47.14 | sneex | remote is debian |
| 19:47.29 | cheasee | has someone experience with tftpd-hpa and could assist me with checking why the daemon still doesnt ignore filecase after applying the patch and recompiling it? |
| 19:47.55 | Iridos | err, and somewhere you see it say "iceweasel 10, Scientific Linux 6"? |
| 19:48.07 | Diopter | cheasee: Might want to make absolutely sure you killed the old version and are running the patched one. As a starting point. |
| 19:49.28 | cheasee | Diopter: i also thought of that and even checked the checksum in "file /usr/sbin/in.tftpd" and "file tftpd" (compiled one) which are same |
| 19:50.01 | sneex | Iridos: I am on SL6 right now and bounce between local net and a VPN but I am ssh to debian -- forget the vpn ;; I am sshed to debian on sl6 IW said I am an RPM platform while at Oracle Imma reboot brb |
| 19:50.14 | ManoftheSea | sneex, you mean VPS? |
| 19:50.30 | Diopter | cheasee: Cool. Don't know about your patch, but figured check the easy win first ;P |
| 19:50.33 | sneex | no |
| 19:50.46 | ManoftheSea | what's IW? |
| 19:50.52 | abrotman | IceWeasel |
| 19:51.10 | ManoftheSea | ok, I think a proper use of english would help here. |
| 19:51.22 | ManoftheSea | one does not run iceweasel from a vpn. |
| 19:51.29 | ManoftheSea | you run it from a host, over a vpn. |
| 19:51.32 | ManoftheSea | right? |
| 19:52.21 | abrotman | ignore that part .. it won't get any better |
| 19:52.22 | ManoftheSea | sneex's quit message says iceweasel. Seems like it's working fine. |
| 19:53.22 | Iridos | ManoftheSea, indeed, but note that sneex [...] forget the vpn ;; |
| 19:53.36 | Iridos | haha, indeed |
| 19:53.39 | cheasee | Diopter: heh, well, the patch is from ris-linux (tftp-hpa-filecase.diff) and should patch tftpd-hpa to ignore wheter a file is typed lowercase or uppercase. the patch is applied as far as i can tell, maybe there is some "incompatibility" in the input i give and the check mechanism? |
| 19:54.11 | cheasee | i dont quite understand how that patch works.. lack of coding skills haha |
| 19:54.15 | Diopter | cheasee: Perhaps. Not familiar with that tftp daemon specifically (I use dnsmasq) |
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| 19:54.50 | cheasee | Diopter: did you ever try to install a microsoft os via pxe with dnsmasq? |
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| 19:56.58 | Diopter | cheasee: Um..... not terribly often. I think once. |
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| 19:57.15 | Diopter | cheasee: Ran into some issue with tftp/dhcp/pxe wonkiness? |
| 19:57.24 | cheasee | Diopter: and did you have trouble with file case? |
| 19:57.49 | cheasee | Diopter: well, i would tell it rather microsoft wonkiness :D |
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| 19:57.55 | ManoftheSea | has id'd the problem. It's right here -> "Microsoft OS" |
| 19:58.06 | cheasee | s/tell/name |
| 19:58.26 | Diopter | cheasee: Don't remember. But I see that dnsmasq has a --tftp-lowercase option |
| 19:58.28 | sneex | ManoftheSea: IW is ice weasel |
| 19:58.47 | Diopter | cheasee: Which converts all filenames in TFTP requests to lowercase |
| 19:59.01 | Diopter | cheasee: Says specifically it's useful for requests from Windows machines :P |
| 20:00.13 | cheasee | well microsoft cant decide wheter its NTKRNLMP.EXE or NTKRNLMP.EX_ or ntkrnlmp.exe, all are tried to load and there are even files like BOOTVID.dl_ so file case has to be ignored completely |
| 20:00.26 | abrotman | ... |
| 20:00.31 | Diopter | cheasee: I'd say it's worth trying dnsmasq with --tftp-lowercase |
| 20:00.40 | ManoftheSea | sneex, did you try the -ProfileManager, -no-remote options? |
| 20:00.54 | Diopter | IMO, dnsmasq is the most flexible and useful DHCP/DNS/PXE tool available. |
| 20:00.59 | sneex | cheasee: its like that fom old IBM OS/2 days |
| 20:01.11 | sneex | s/fom/from/ |
| 20:01.28 | cheasee | correct :D |
| 20:01.54 | sneex | ManoftheSea: no, it didnt occur to me but I will |
| 20:02.56 | cheasee | Diopter: according to dnsmasq manpage --tftp-lowercase seems to do all i configured manually in tftpd-hpa :) ill try dnsmasq.. thanks! |
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| 20:06.13 | LordShiva | help register |
| 20:06.21 | abrotman | try again |
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| 20:07.02 | sneex | send /msg to nickserv |
| 20:07.05 | UNIm95 | Hi to all. |
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| 20:07.09 | Diopter | cheasee: You bet. Good luck! |
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| 20:08.42 | UNIm95 | When wheezy would be ready? |
| 20:09.40 | ManoftheSea | UNIm95: when it's ready |
| 20:10.27 | UNIm95 | ManoftheSea: I mean what should be done before release |
| 20:11.32 | abrotman | UNIm95: RC Bugs needs to reach 0, currently around 500 or so |
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| 20:12.53 | UNIm95 | abrotman: how can i help to fix this RC Bugs |
| 20:14.23 | abrotman | UNIm95: depends what you can do? code? document? report? |
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| 20:15.45 | ptrkmj | i wonder if nouveau drivers are doing a good job with my gf 6600 graphics card. the graphical effects in iceweasel (like when opening a new tab) look very harsh, not smooth. is there a way to check if everything's allright? |
| 20:15.48 | UNIm95 | abrotman: I can do translations, documentations and smple bash scripting |
| 20:16.04 | UNIm95 | simple* |
| 20:16.24 | abrotman | if oyu want to write man pages, you can look at qa.debian.org I believe |
| 20:16.43 | abrotman | the translation stuff is a work in progress .. depends which languages you speak |
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| 20:17.42 | abrotman | UNIm95: http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html .. not sure how up to date that is, should be pretty recent |
| 20:17.48 | UNIm95 | abrotman English(ugly), German(good), Russian(native). |
| 20:18.28 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/I18n/ |
| 20:18.33 | abrotman | I think that's right |
| 20:18.43 | abrotman | or http://wiki.debian.org/L10n |
| 20:18.56 | abrotman | ah, second one seems better |
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| 20:19.06 | fahi | I'm trying to install debian on a LVM + LUKS system using the wheezy beta install-cd. However, installing grub fails while it was trying to install it to my usb stick from which I'm installing from. When I try to install grub manually, I get http://pastebin.com/mD6nt1KU - any ideas? |
| 20:19.32 | UNIm95 | abrotman thanks. I hope i can help |
| 20:22.53 | ManoftheSea | fahi, try with GRUB-CRYPTODISK-ENABLE |
| 20:22.56 | ManoftheSea | fahi, try with GRUB-CRYPTODISK-ENABLE=y |
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| 20:24.28 | abrotman | UNIm95: i bleieve there is a #debian-ru on irc.oftc.net |
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| 20:24.45 | abrotman | oh, very small though |
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| 20:24.54 | Diopter | Hrm. Having an odd issue. When I plug in my laptop, cpufreq sets the frequency range to 800MHz-800Mhz. When I unplug, it's the full 800Mhz-2.2GHz |
| 20:25.04 | abrotman | UNIm95: but they have a link to some items tha tneed help |
| 20:25.14 | Diopter | cpufrequtils is the relevant package. Have acpi-support, but no cpufreq specific entries there, or anywhere else in /etc/default |
| 20:25.38 | Diopter | I see the cpufrequtils initscript tries to source /etc/default/cpufrequtils if it's there... but I'm confused at this default behavior |
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| 20:28.16 | UNIm95 | abrotman: there is enough staff to read. |
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| 20:28.26 | TPC | hm.. what package do you need to make g++ -m32 -lX11 work on sid? I figured it would be libx11-6:i386 but that doesn't seem to do it |
| 20:28.27 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
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| 20:30.18 | n_np | my dovecot is not delivering email to the correct mailbox, what can i do to fix that? my user is getting root's emails |
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| 20:31.48 | fahi | ManoftheSea: assuming you meant GRUB_CRYPTODISK_ENABLE=y, this unfortunately made no difference :/ |
| 20:32.39 | ManoftheSea | fahi: yes, I meant with the underscores. |
| 20:32.48 | ManoftheSea | sorry. |
| 20:32.57 | ManoftheSea | Your boot is on LUKS? |
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| 20:33.22 | abrotman | n_np: you made an alias |
| 20:33.45 | ManoftheSea | oh, my bad... Debian's version of grub doesn't support boot on LUKS. |
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| 20:34.20 | fahi | ManoftheSea: yeah, my / is on a LVM which is on LUKS |
| 20:34.23 | abrotman | grub1 or grub2 ? |
| 20:34.26 | fahi | grub2 |
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| 20:36.17 | r0tha | very strange.......on the netinstall usb my wifi card was detected and worked |
| 20:36.33 | r0tha | now when i log in i have to be 'wired' |
| 20:36.47 | fahi | ManoftheSea: ok, I guess I'll have to live with a separate /boot then |
| 20:36.52 | r0tha | it's like the first time i installed linux mint on my netbook waaaay back in the gap |
| 20:37.05 | abrotman | r0tha: does it need firmware? |
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| 20:37.31 | cusco | r0tha: does 'iwconfig' detect it? |
| 20:37.50 | r0tha | cusco: yup it does |
| 20:38.02 | n_np | abrotman how do i remove it? |
| 20:38.16 | cusco | r0tha: then it is working? |
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| 20:38.31 | r0tha | weird part is that in the network manager does not detect any networks |
| 20:38.38 | cusco | r0tha: how did you try and configure it? (ssid, encription etc) |
| 20:38.58 | ManoftheSea | fahi: you can compile grub2 2.00 to get cryptodisk support |
| 20:39.10 | ManoftheSea | also, check out #grub for more help |
| 20:39.15 | r0tha | * if i take a look at the place where wpa2 is saved |
| 20:39.15 | abrotman | n_np: you added it ? look in /etc/aliases |
| 20:39.17 | r0tha | the info is there |
| 20:39.22 | fahi | ManoftheSea: really? will grub ask my for my passphrase then? |
| 20:39.31 | ManoftheSea | passphrase? |
| 20:39.32 | n_np | i think it was automatic |
| 20:39.33 | r0tha | sec let me find the directory in /etc that had that info |
| 20:39.35 | cusco | r0tha: 'iwlist scan' shows any networks? |
| 20:39.36 | abrotman | r0tha: what is the device ? |
| 20:39.42 | ManoftheSea | for LUKS? yes. |
| 20:39.46 | ManoftheSea | I use 2.00 for that. |
| 20:39.52 | n_np | abrotman should emails to user@host.com arrive at the respective mailbox now? |
| 20:40.04 | ManoftheSea | But as abrotman's around and we're talking about a non-packaged version... we should go to #grub |
| 20:40.42 | fahi | ManoftheSea: ah, good to know, but I think I'll just stick with the grub version shipped with testing |
| 20:40.48 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: why doens't hte grub2 in debian support it ? |
| 20:41.06 | r0tha | ah it was in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:41.09 | ManoftheSea | Boot on LUKS was added in 2.00-beta2, I think |
| 20:41.16 | r0tha | **lemme check that iwlist |
| 20:41.50 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: wheezy has 1.99, Grub is up to 2.00 |
| 20:42.29 | abrotman | so that .01 is the LUKS support ? |
| 20:42.32 | cusco | r0tha: and as abrotman pointed, knowing the device might help us help you |
| 20:42.50 | ManoftheSea | among other things. |
| 20:43.19 | r0tha | it's a 1000 eee pc |
| 20:43.19 | r0tha | asus |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: it's supported LUKS for your rootfs for ages |
| 20:43.35 | r0tha | i did a grep for my network name w/ iwlist scan and it's there |
| 20:43.47 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: boot, not root |
| 20:43.58 | ManoftheSea | Grub doesn't care where your root is. |
| 20:44.02 | cusco | r0tha: so, its working. network manager should pick it up |
| 20:44.09 | ManoftheSea | It cares whether it can access the initrd |
| 20:44.13 | n_np | abrotman it still doesnt work |
| 20:44.24 | r0tha | *in the gui under wireless it says unmanaged |
| 20:44.32 | cusco | ah |
| 20:44.34 | cusco | go to settings |
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| 20:44.41 | cusco | and make itmanaged |
| 20:44.49 | cusco | or remove it from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:44.50 | ManoftheSea | take the sausage out of your ears. :) |
| 20:44.52 | abrotman | n_np: did you run 'newaliases' ? |
| 20:44.54 | cusco | and /etc/init.d/network-manager restart |
| 20:44.56 | cusco | orso |
| 20:45.05 | n_np | i restarted |
| 20:45.07 | n_np | let me try that |
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| 20:46.21 | ManoftheSea | Though, the grub image to do boot on LUKS is 200k. |
| 20:46.21 | n_np | still no mail |
| 20:46.32 | ManoftheSea | Means you have to partition the disk specially for it, anyway. |
| 20:46.39 | satrionics | any experts on apt-mirror in here? |
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| 20:46.49 | ManoftheSea | satrionics: just ask your question |
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| 20:47.15 | satrionics | ok,. getting a strange problem... Proceed indexes: [SSSapt-mirror: invalid Sources format at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 468, <STREAM> line 6920. |
| 20:47.33 | satrionics | thats what i get when i run apt-mirror |
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| 20:47.42 | satrionics | cant find any info on that error anywhere |
| 20:48.02 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: if oyu say so, i'd find it hard to believe they didn't backport it if that's the case |
| 20:48.20 | satrionics | ive tried different versions and still same problem |
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| 20:49.23 | satrionics | my mirror.list file is correct also. its exactly the same as when it was last working |
| 20:49.31 | satrionics | just got that problem all of a sudden |
| 20:50.00 | ManoftheSea | satrionics: you're right, I don't know what's up with that either. You shouldn't have 400 lines in your sources. |
| 20:50.27 | ManoftheSea | but perhaps someone else knows. |
| 20:50.34 | satrionics | its not the sources file , it appears to point to /usr/bin/apt-mirror |
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| 20:51.07 | r0tha | ***I think i got it guys! Thanks for the help, http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#Enabling_Interface_Management |
| 20:53.10 | n_np | abrotman is there a system level place whre my emails are going too instead of to the user account's mailboxes? |
| 20:53.12 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: the version of grub in wheezy is 1.99-22.1. When I last tried it, and when fahi did it just now, no support for boot on LUKS |
| 20:53.26 | abrotman | they do backport patches |
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| 20:53.32 | abrotman | n_np: i told you what it was |
| 20:53.47 | aidalgol | Not exclusively a Debian problem, but I am using Iceweasel: how can I mitigate disk thrashing caused by Iceweasel? |
| 20:53.50 | abrotman | or the one i know of anyway |
| 20:53.55 | abrotman | aidalgol: sotp using flash ? |
| 20:53.57 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: I'm not arguing that patches are backported. I'm saying it didn't work. I don't know how else to check for that patch. |
| 20:54.05 | abrotman | changelog ? |
| 20:54.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:54.17 | aidalgol | abrotman: I hate Flash so much I don't even have it installed. That's not the problem. |
| 20:54.26 | ManoftheSea | also, I don't care. You thought boot on LUKS was enabled. It isn't. |
| 20:54.34 | n_np | abrotman i turned it off and im still not receiving emails to that account when i send to it |
| 20:54.41 | aidalgol | Would tweaking the cache size help? |
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| 20:56.10 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: i think you did it wrongs! |
| 20:56.26 | ManoftheSea | ok. What'd I do wrongs? |
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| 20:57.15 | abrotman | i'll play with later .. i've done enough darn installs this weekend already and i'm still pissed about ppc |
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| 20:59.26 | CyberDomovoy | i need help with postfix. I configured it to use a smarthost, but i keep getting "fatal: SASL per-connection initialization failed" |
| 20:59.32 | CyberDomovoy | any idea why? |
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| 21:10.42 | Theoden | Hey guys - I'm trying to mount a samba share from a bash script. But neither mount -t smbfs nor mount -t cifs works. Any ideas? |
| 21:11.10 | abrotman | error is helpful |
| 21:12.20 | Theoden | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/SpSRXNVT |
| 21:13.01 | abrotman | looks |
| 21:13.24 | ompaul | Theoden: with full command ? |
| 21:13.27 | ManoftheSea | Theoden: try smbclient, and see if that can connect? |
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| 21:14.32 | Theoden | ompaul: http://pastebin.com/Jw5Gzqe5 |
| 21:14.53 | Theoden | ManoftheSea: WHat would the command be for that? |
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| 21:15.07 | abrotman | thought it was \\hostpathtostuff ? |
| 21:15.10 | abrotman | been awhile though |
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| 21:15.42 | Diopter | abrotman: Would need moar escaping. |
| 21:15.45 | ManoftheSea | theoden: smbclient //server/path/to/share --user username |
| 21:15.55 | Diopter | But you can actually use forward slashes these days |
| 21:15.56 | Diopter | ^ |
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| 21:16.01 | abrotman | Diopter: roughly that idea! |
| 21:16.30 | abrotman | doesn't miss dealing with samba messiness |
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| 21:17.29 | Diopter | hehe |
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| 21:18.16 | sharky1 | i like samba, it rulz my home network |
| 21:19.13 | Theoden | Well this works on every other machine I use - except this one. |
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| 21:20.16 | sharky1 | Theoden, maybe u miss some packages? |
| 21:20.20 | ManoftheSea | theoden, check for ntfs-3g, or cifs-utils? |
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| 21:20.44 | sharky1 | exactly |
| 21:21.02 | abrotman | shuldn't need ntfs |
| 21:21.16 | ManoftheSea | oh, my bad. yeah |
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| 21:22.39 | Theoden | ManoftheSea: That was it - cifs-utils. Thank you bud. :) |
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| 21:23.17 | ManoftheSea | brofist |
| 21:23.40 | sharky1 | happy file transferring |
| 21:23.51 | Diopter | Using CIFS is never happy |
| 21:23.52 | Diopter | D: |
| 21:23.57 | Theoden | ^ 5's ManoftheSea |
| 21:24.19 | sharky1 | why not |
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| 21:26.48 | paerca | hi. Can i install a newer kernel in my debian? |
| 21:27.00 | abrotman | paerca: which do you have now? |
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| 21:28.09 | abrotman | paerca: ? |
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| 21:29.12 | sharky1 | it would be odd if he does not know the uname -a command and wants to change the kernel |
| 21:29.51 | abrotman | still asking .. |
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| 21:30.41 | sharky1 | : )) |
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| 21:31.38 | sharky1 | abrotman, but it is interesting question for me too |
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| 21:31.56 | abrotman | guess we'll never know |
| 21:32.03 | sharky1 | mine is Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:33.04 | gotmynick | very original hostname |
| 21:33.06 | sharky1 | i think it should be possible to compile the latest one |
| 21:33.25 | gotmynick | do you need any feature on it ? |
| 21:33.45 | gotmynick | if the feature depends on user space tools, you may need to compile more things than the kernel |
| 21:33.51 | sharky1 | nope just for try maybe in a virtualbox |
| 21:33.54 | abrotman | could we wait for paerca to answer ? |
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| 21:35.20 | sharky1 | gotmynick, have you tried to compile new kernel and replace it |
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| 21:36.13 | gotmynick | we are waiting to paerca to answer, but yes, I've done it some time by hardware related issues |
| 21:37.33 | gotmynick | as well as I've customized the default kernel, matching my userland, with the default debian patches and the default security support, sometimes |
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| 21:39.06 | sharky1 | nice, can you tell me roughly how you have done it, like compile the kernel, put it in boot,change grub.cfg ... |
| 21:39.14 | gotmynick | I would not like to have iptables from 2.6.32 and run a 3.5... the same for other user space tools |
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| 21:39.52 | gotmynick | apt-cache show kernel-package |
| 21:40.10 | sharky1 | because of the modules that are compiled for the previous kernel, or why? |
| 21:40.38 | abrotman | !tell sharky1 about kp mantra |
| 21:41.55 | sharky1 | what is kp mantra |
| 21:42.18 | gotmynick | you should have a msg from "dpkg" boot explaining it |
| 21:42.19 | sharky1 | i did not get any text |
| 21:42.41 | abrotman | yes you did |
| 21:42.48 | gotmynick | a private message |
| 21:42.49 | sharky1 | aaah i see |
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| 21:44.15 | gotmynick | kernel related userland (iptables, acpi, udev, etc etc) is to access kernel features, if kernel has more features than your userland programs, or even backward incompatible changes... something will be wrong |
| 21:44.34 | gotmynick | still I've run newer kernels in debian and rarely experienced problems doing it |
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| 21:47.09 | sharky1 | abrotman, is this the way to compile it |
| 21:48.02 | abrotman | this is how we do it .. |
| 21:48.16 | sharky1 | gotmynick, i have to try that in some virtualbox instance, and see how bad i can mess the things : D |
| 21:48.58 | gotmynick | it's know as "the debian way", that will create a .deb package you can reuse and install with dpkg -i, with all needed triggers into the package to update the iniramfs, grub, etc |
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| 21:49.25 | sharky1 | abrotman, thanks for the command |
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| 21:50.03 | sharky1 | i see |
| 21:50.16 | n_np | abrotman is there a trick to get dovecot to load your mbox folders? |
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| 21:50.58 | n_np | like a command to issue to update it? |
| 21:51.53 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:51.59 | n_np | it just wont work |
| 21:52.06 | abrotman | you mean to convert it to maildir ? |
| 21:52.07 | n_np | there is mail in ~mail |
| 21:52.14 | n_np | perhaps that would work |
| 21:52.25 | abrotman | mb2md IIRC |
| 21:52.25 | n_np | but it doesnt show up on the imap client |
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| 21:52.38 | n_np | tht's the command? |
| 21:53.04 | n_np | what do i have to install for that to work? |
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| 21:56.06 | EVX | anyone know how to fix mandb is full error ? |
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| 22:37.29 | cardamon | I'm having a derp moment. Trying to find the netinst iso for Wheezy. |
| 22:38.09 | streuner | cardamon: just use stable installer and upgrade, its easier... |
| 22:38.28 | cardamon | streuner: Yeah, but the default grub's nicer in Wheezy. |
| 22:38.29 | aidalgol | Yeah, waaay easier. You don't have to worry about bugs in the installer. |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | it's the same grub in the end |
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| 22:39.17 | mmnicolas | Yea but it's worth trying out the new d-i release, they just refreshed it with the new theme etc :) |
| 22:39.18 | aidalgol | The current week's testing installer bugs are (almost) always unknown and result in strange errors. |
| 22:39.30 | cardamon | abrotman: I know. I found the 32bit netinst for wheezy a few weeks back, now someone's asking me for the 64bit. |
| 22:39.41 | abrotman | debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 22:40.25 | streuner | cardamon: d-i beta 1 candidate images: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.wheezy_di_beta1_build1/ |
| 22:40.32 | cardamon | Got it. |
| 22:40.33 | cardamon | Thanks. |
| 22:40.40 | cardamon | Is it a hybrid image? |
| 22:40.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:40.45 | cardamon | ...guess I'll find out. |
| 22:40.48 | Artemis3 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:40.51 | Artemis3 | more fun |
| 22:41.14 | cardamon | Yeah, my SNS isn't that advanced. |
| 22:41.49 | cardamon | You've really got a problem when you're pulling dailies and you're not a dev. |
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| 22:42.37 | streuner | cardamon: thats why we told you to use a stable installer... |
| 22:42.53 | Artemis3 | what, kernel modules not found? meh. nothing an update wont fix ^^ |
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| 22:43.40 | joseph-soares | how do I know where is my printer? |
| 22:43.44 | joseph-soares | on /dev |
| 22:44.19 | mmnicolas | joseph-soares: hopefully you added that, I was about to tell you to just look around |
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| 22:44.40 | cardamon | Nope. It's got a wireless PC card in it and all the physical cables are spoken for. So I'm almost certain I'm gonna need a wheezy image. |
| 22:44.47 | mmnicolas | joseph-soares: its probably /dev/lpr or something /dev/lp* |
| 22:45.17 | Artemis3 | net iso usually skips the non-free firmware tho... |
| 22:45.18 | mmnicolas | cardamon: I don't get why http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ would confuse you |
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| 22:47.21 | cardamon | mmnicolas: I haven't showered yet, and my IQ drops as my awareness of my own body's odor rises. |
| 22:47.55 | abrotman | that's totally when i'd be installing Debian |
| 22:48.00 | mmnicolas | cardamon: you just click on the architecture you want, a file will download |
| 22:48.23 | cardamon | mmnicolas: Yeah, you missed the part where I grabbed it seven minutes ago. |
| 22:48.34 | mmnicolas | yep |
| 22:48.39 | sauvin | Use hot water and soap. |
| 22:49.03 | mmnicolas | haven't showered either |
| 22:49.20 | cardamon | sauvin: Sadly, I have to take colder showers. I like hot water too much, but it dries out my skin and then any attempt to sweat is met with pain. |
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| 22:49.40 | cardamon | As I reside in Atlanta, that can be an issue. |
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| 22:50.03 | sauvin | yea, can't imagine living in the South or the Midwest and having a problem with painful sweating :( |
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| 22:53.10 | cardamon | sauvin: Cold showers and lotion. |
| 22:53.46 | cardamon | Hey, regarding hybrid images...is there any difference between cat and dd approaches? |
| 22:53.49 | KaiSforza | cold showers are actually awesome. |
| 22:53.52 | sauvin | I only ever have problems with my hands drying up and cracking from handling too many cardboard boxes. I keep forgetting to get gloves. |
| 22:53.53 | streuner | cardamon: AC |
| 22:54.09 | KaiSforza | though i'm still more of a fan of colorado-like heat. |
| 22:54.16 | sauvin | cat reads a stream; dd, iirc, is a bit nibbler. |
| 22:54.17 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:55.03 | cardamon | streuner: DC! AC only drops it down 15 degrees F, at most, and that's if you don't mind a huge power bill. |
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| 22:55.42 | KaiSforza | basement. |
| 22:56.21 | sauvin | Colorado heat is dry? |
| 22:56.30 | streuner | cardamon: some people out of asia and ariziona told me to a fan |
| 22:56.35 | abrotman | ... take it #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:57.36 | streuner | cardamon: in 2003, but enough about that, otherwise we get problems... |
| 22:57.42 | cardamon | So, cat and dd... |
| 22:58.12 | abrotman | use cat |
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| 23:00.08 | cardamon | Why cat? |
| 23:00.32 | cardamon | Forgive me for sounding like a jerk, but that's the real question I have. Why one over the other? |
| 23:00.53 | abrotman | cardamon: they work differently .. they'd likely both work for this ISO, but they recommend to use cat |
| 23:01.35 | abrotman | cardamon: AIUI, cat works from the filesyste, dd works at the block level |
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| 23:02.38 | fahi | is multiarch supported für the nvidia glx packages in wheezy? if not, are the exempt from the freeze? |
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| 23:03.45 | n_np | are thre any dovecot alternatives |
| 23:03.53 | cardamon | für? |
| 23:04.23 | n_np | imap servers |
| 23:04.39 | petemc | n_np: none as flexible, but cyrus and courier |
| 23:04.59 | n_np | which do you recommend? i just need something really simple |
| 23:05.25 | petemc | when i used to run a mailserver i used dovecot |
| 23:05.31 | petemc | i dont any more, just use gmail |
| 23:05.39 | n_np | i cant get it to work |
| 23:05.48 | n_np | it doesnt seem to bind with /var/mail |
| 23:05.49 | abrotman | dovecot is simple |
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| 23:05.56 | n_np | it wont work man! |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | why do you need /var/mail/ ? |
| 23:06.16 | n_np | when i sent myself a test it doesnt show up! |
| 23:06.20 | n_np | i dont need it |
| 23:06.23 | n_np | i tried everything |
| 23:06.30 | n_np | nothing worked |
| 23:06.35 | petemc | is your mta/mda delivering to /var/mail/ ? |
| 23:06.40 | petemc | was the mail recieved? |
| 23:06.59 | n_np | the mail is received to alll other email account servers that i have when i send a test |
| 23:07.01 | petemc | received, even |
| 23:07.04 | n_np | but not dovecot, no sir |
| 23:07.25 | petemc | what is doing the receiving? |
| 23:07.43 | n_np | basically there is no bounce, but the email isnt in the client when i check for it |
| 23:07.51 | petemc | which mta do you use? |
| 23:07.52 | abrotman | you have logs .. |
| 23:07.57 | n_np | exim4 |
| 23:08.06 | petemc | look in /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 23:08.08 | n_np | the logs just say things like 'started' 'restarted' etc. |
| 23:08.23 | n_np | petemc one sec |
| 23:08.59 | n_np | its working fine |
| 23:09.03 | n_np | the problem isnt exim4 |
| 23:09.21 | n_np | so should i try courier or cyrus? |
| 23:09.25 | n_np | which has scripts? |
| 23:09.26 | petemc | no |
| 23:09.49 | petemc | did exim deliver the mail to /var/mail/foo? do you see it there? |
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| 23:10.05 | n_np | dude it delieverred it to alll my other email clients |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | answer his question |
| 23:10.22 | petemc | that isnt a useful test |
| 23:10.39 | abrotman | n_np: is this a public mail server? |
| 23:11.44 | n_np | yes it is, but private in a sense |
| 23:11.52 | n_np | it delieverred with a relay |
| 23:12.17 | petemc | what do the exim logs say, exactly? |
| 23:12.37 | petemc | delivering with a relay is impressively vage |
| 23:12.40 | petemc | vague |
| 23:13.30 | n_np | i wish i could copy paste |
| 23:13.36 | abrotman | n_np: maybe you should put the logs in paste.debian.net |
| 23:13.39 | n_np | but at the end it says 'completed' |
| 23:13.44 | abrotman | n_np: try the program 'pastebinit' |
| 23:13.46 | petemc | gives up |
| 23:14.00 | n_np | its not exim4 guys |
| 23:14.16 | n_np | im sending from a different smtp server to test dove |
| 23:14.18 | petemc | you arent in a position to say that, from what i can tell |
| 23:14.28 | n_np | well im not even using it for this |
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| 23:14.55 | abrotman | n_np: if you're not going to answer the questions with useful responses .. how do you expect us to help |
| 23:15.07 | n_np | problem is im in a different computer |
| 23:15.22 | n_np | do you have time for me to put the log onto pastebin via a flashdisk? |
| 23:15.44 | abrotman | why not ssh into the othe rhost ? |
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| 23:16.27 | n_np | good idea |
| 23:17.19 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:17.39 | ManoftheSea | I didn't know debian didn't install on efi... |
| 23:17.50 | ManoftheSea | Though, I suppose I installed with debootstrap. |
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| 23:19.29 | n_np | http://pastebin.com/tAFDCLUz |
| 23:19.36 | n_np | those are the most recent exim4 logs |
| 23:19.38 | zykes- | but /win 43 |
| 23:20.00 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:20.15 | petemc | n_np: none of those show a local delivery |
| 23:21.01 | n_np | they are sends towards email address chief@minority.co.za |
| 23:21.05 | n_np | let me do a local send then |
| 23:23.02 | n_np | http://pastebin.com/xuHUQbFE |
| 23:23.05 | n_np | its using a relay |
| 23:23.06 | n_np | but see |
| 23:23.16 | n_np | the user@executionsoft.com emails never arrive |
| 23:23.42 | n_np | is that the imap server's fault? because when i send to @minority.co.za they arrive |
| 23:24.51 | n_np | do i need to set up something so that the mail is deliverred? |
| 23:25.55 | petemc | n_np: is dovecot on the same machine you got those logs from? |
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| 23:26.50 | n_np | yes |
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| 23:27.14 | petemc | n_np: did you configure exim on that machine? |
| 23:27.26 | n_np | yes |
| 23:27.30 | n_np | and it works great. |
| 23:27.38 | petemc | you think so? |
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| 23:28.12 | n_np | yep |
| 23:28.19 | n_np | it can send emails to all of my accounts |
| 23:28.30 | n_np | the problem is receiving emails with dovecot |
| 23:28.35 | petemc | no it isnt |
| 23:28.38 | n_np | two entirely different issues |
| 23:28.47 | petemc | you are confused |
| 23:28.48 | n_np | oh? |
| 23:28.58 | n_np | so what would exim4 have to do with it? |
| 23:29.00 | petemc | dovecot doesnt receive mails, in the sense that a mta, like exim, does |
| 23:29.09 | n_np | oh! |
| 23:29.21 | petemc | dovecot makes mail available to clients like outlook/thunderbird |
| 23:29.26 | n_np | pardon my ignorance then |
| 23:29.36 | n_np | so how would i fix this problem then sir? |
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| 23:30.22 | abrotman | n_np: is dovecot expecting maildir or mbox? and where? |
| 23:30.40 | n_np | an mbox in ~/mail |
| 23:30.53 | n_np | but thre is also a maildir i set up with that perl script you suggested |
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| 23:31.12 | n_np | mbox actually has mail i can access with 'mail' |
| 23:31.49 | petemc | n_np: what does "exim -bt root" output ? |
| 23:32.00 | n_np | one sec |
| 23:32.53 | n_np | all ips from the relay |
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| 23:34.41 | abrotman | n_np: you have to configure the MTA to know where to put the messages .. it won't just magically pick one or th eother |
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| 23:35.02 | n_np | you've lost me |
| 23:35.08 | petemc | you lost yourself |
| 23:35.13 | n_np | im in the exim4 conf file now |
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| 23:35.27 | n_np | d?o i need to change some stuff |
| 23:35.33 | n_np | do i need to change some stuff? |
| 23:35.40 | petemc | did you previously hand craft the exim config? |
| 23:35.45 | n_np | nope |
| 23:35.56 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 23:35.59 | n_np | i used the dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:36.28 | petemc | did you choose the no local delivery option? |
| 23:36.33 | n_np | what must i do with it exactly? whre must i enter the url of executionsoft.com ? |
| 23:36.40 | n_np | yeh i chose the relay option |
| 23:37.09 | petemc | take your time and think about the questions dpkg-reconfigure asks you |
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| 23:37.59 | n_np | ok |
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| 23:42.24 | cardamon | Hey, trying to setup a friend's machine, and they want to hibernate. What size swap should I use? I think they have 8GB of ram. |
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| 23:42.55 | cardamon | I've heard all sorts of rules of on the subject. None. Equal to ram. Twice the ram. Etc. |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | how big is the HDD ? |
| 23:43.19 | cardamon | 500 |
| 23:43.27 | cardamon | Gigabytes. |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | size of RAM won't kill the guy |
| 23:43.55 | cardamon | ? |
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| 23:46.49 | cardamon | abrotman: Will that be enough to hibernate with? |
| 23:47.05 | abrotman | i'd guess so .. read some docs about it |
| 23:47.48 | frostschutz | cardamon: usually. or you can forgo swap altogether and hibernate to ram only. works fine if theres no battery that could run out over night |
| 23:49.07 | PerfDave | If you want to hibernate to disk, obviously you need at least as much swap as you have RAM, so I'd go for 2x |
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| 23:50.24 | frostschutz | it should be smart enough to only store actually used ram, but I'm not 100% sure on that. doesn't make much sense to read disk cache back from disk really or store it in the first place |
| 23:50.52 | PerfDave | Anyway 16GB out of 500 isnt' a lot ;) |
| 23:51.06 | frostschutz | it's still a waste |
| 23:51.13 | n_np | hmmm thanks guys |
| 23:51.15 | PerfDave | Meh, disk space is cheap |
| 23:51.17 | n_np | it seems to be working |
| 23:51.22 | n_np | so how do i set up an alias? |
| 23:51.25 | n_np | for exim4 |
| 23:51.34 | abrotman | frostschutz: that's suspend, not hibernate |
| 23:51.43 | frostschutz | yes, same difference |
| 23:51.48 | abrotman | not really .. |
| 23:51.55 | n_np | abrotman and pete thanks loads for the help |
| 23:51.56 | abrotman | one suspends to RAM, one suspends to disk |
| 23:52.07 | abrotman | n_np: i told you before how to setup an alias |
| 23:52.09 | frostschutz | yes, that's kinda the point |
| 23:52.19 | n_np | oh |
| 23:52.21 | abrotman | you're the one that said they were the same ? |
| 23:52.22 | n_np | oops i removed it |
| 23:52.24 | n_np | sorry |
| 23:52.33 | n_np | i thought you meant its the problem |
| 23:52.36 | n_np | let me fix that |
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| 23:53.00 | PerfDave | On my Exim server, some addresses I handle get forwarded to remote addresses. I'd like Exim to try forwarding the message it recieves when it receives it, and reject it if the upstream server rejects it - is that possible? |
| 23:53.40 | n_np | abrotman you are are elite dude. |
| 23:53.54 | abrotman | what about petemc ?! |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | wonders if we can use petemc for all exim questoins |
| 23:54.42 | PerfDave | abrotman: I believe the nick stands for Pet Exim Mail Configurer |
| 23:55.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:56.41 | n_np | him too! |
| 23:56.50 | n_np | so i set up an aliad: jpduplessis : root |
| 23:56.57 | n_np | then all emails for root will come to jpduplessis? |
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| 23:59.28 | abrotman | wrong way |
| 23:59.46 | n_np | oh oops |
