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| 00:01.58 | n_np | then i have to logon to root on the imap server? |
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| 00:04.52 | furrypurs | Should I be using 64-bit Debian if my desktop has 3.25 GiB of RAM. I've read the documentation and askubuntu discussions but the advice is very mixed. What can you guys tell me? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/32bit_and_64bit gives me no reason not to use 64-bit |
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| 00:06.42 | PerfDave | furrypurs: Probably you actually have 4GiB of RAM and using 64-bit Debian will let you use it all. |
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| 00:11.43 | nevyn | furrypurs: yes |
| 00:15.19 | abrotman | furrypurs: you can use either |
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| 00:15.59 | furrypurs | abrotman: It's an old system (7 years) |
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| 00:17.02 | abrotman | furrypurs: does it actually have 3.25, or is it really 4 with a kernel that will only address 3.3GB ? |
| 00:17.10 | furrypurs | abrotman: It actually has 3.25 |
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| 00:17.47 | innociv_ | How can I see what is using up most of my disk space? |
| 00:18.03 | furrypurs | innociv_: palimpsest |
| 00:18.19 | furrypurs | er sorry |
| 00:18.25 | furrypurs | wrong program |
| 00:18.26 | abrotman | furrypurs: if you'r enot going to up grade the box, i386 or amd64 will both see the same amount of ram |
| 00:18.30 | ManoftheSea | baobab |
| 00:19.18 | furrypurs | abrotman: I'm aware, I've just noticed that the 64bit build is using a lot more RAM. |
| 00:19.33 | abrotman | furrypurs: that'll happen |
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| 00:19.48 | furrypurs | Isn't the general rule of thumb: if you have >= 4 GiB, use the 64bit build? |
| 00:19.58 | furrypurs | if you don't, stick to 32bit? |
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| 00:21.19 | n_np | abrotman i still cant receive external emails |
| 00:21.54 | aidalgol | furrypurs: Uh, no. You use the build to match your architecture. |
| 00:21.56 | ManoftheSea | furrypurs: generally, unless you know a reason you want largeints |
| 00:21.56 | nevyn | furrypurs: how do you get 3.25? |
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| 00:22.13 | furrypurs | nevyn: old machine, there's a 256 MiB ram module |
| 00:22.25 | nevyn | so a 2 a 1 and a 256? |
| 00:22.25 | furrypurs | + 3 (1 GiB modules) |
| 00:22.37 | ManoftheSea | that's... not right. |
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| 00:22.54 | furrypurs | ManoftheSea: :/ |
| 00:23.01 | furrypurs | ManoftheSea: I'm not sure why you say that |
| 00:23.12 | nevyn | furrypurs: most systems prefer memory in pairs |
| 00:23.15 | nevyn | like a lot |
| 00:23.25 | nevyn | like much much more bandwidth with matched pairs |
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| 00:23.53 | furrypurs | nevyn: would you remove the old 256 module? |
| 00:23.58 | ManoftheSea | that's what I was thinking. Almost to the point of removing the small one. |
| 00:24.01 | furrypurs | if you were me? |
| 00:24.08 | nevyn | I would. |
| 00:24.12 | furrypurs | I see |
| 00:24.18 | ManoftheSea | But I have an 8GB machine, and use only 1 or so. |
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| 00:24.40 | nevyn | furrypurs: so it's a tradeoff on the plus side more ram is good |
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| 00:26.39 | abrotman | n_np: you're going ot have to be less vague |
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| 00:31.49 | WinterAce | Join our new WinterAce IRC Network. Currently looking for staff members (IRC Ops and Services Admins) and will be recruiting those who are reliable and stick around for a while. |
| 00:31.49 | WinterAce | Our server IP is 176.31.68.14 port 6667. irc.winterace.co.uk will be working in a couple of hours. See you soon! |
| 00:32.21 | abrotman | ... |
| 00:32.28 | LoRez | ironic that. |
| 00:33.01 | sauvin | I'm going to bop on over to a foreign IRC and potentially publish my IP to some kind of trawler? |
| 00:34.21 | aidalgol | "recruiting those who are reliable and stick around for a while." *** WinterAce has quit |
| 00:34.24 | aidalgol | haha |
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| 00:34.55 | n_np | abrotman is it possible to set up exim4 so that i can get emails from all email domains? |
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| 00:35.01 | jbondhus | Hi |
| 00:35.16 | LoRez | aidalgol: klined, not quit. |
| 00:35.26 | LoRez | for spamming that crap in several channels. |
| 00:35.42 | aidalgol | Oh, I didn't realise "Killed" meant "klined". |
| 00:36.00 | abrotman | n_np: yes .. you've done that |
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| 00:36.35 | n_np | it doesnt seem to be working |
| 00:37.08 | n_np | they just dont go through |
| 00:38.18 | n_np | must be something else then |
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| 00:42.45 | innociv_ | How can I see what is using up most of my disk space? My disk is pretty full and I can't figure what I should remove.. |
| 00:43.21 | gnarface | du |
| 00:43.32 | dvs | de? |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | innociv_: du -sh / .. start traversing |
| 00:46.04 | innociv_ | Hardly outputs anything. 4 things like "du: cannot access `/proc/31847/task/31847/fd/4': No such file or directory" then hangs. |
| 00:46.27 | dvs | innociv_: No, it's still working |
| 00:46.34 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: baobab |
| 00:46.37 | pparadis | innociv_: as root, you might want to do something like this: du / | sort -n -r | head --lines=20 |
| 00:46.41 | ManoftheSea | at least, under gnome. |
| 00:46.56 | ManoftheSea | It shows your biggest directories. |
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| 00:49.45 | pparadis | innociv_: make that 'du -b / | sort -n -r | head --lines=20' to specify bytes for du output. it will give you the top 20 biggest directories on the filesystem. adjust the 'lines=' part for more output if needed. |
| 00:51.03 | pparadis | innociv_: also, note that /proc, /dev, and such are virtual filesystems, so you can ignore those. |
| 00:53.30 | innociv_ | Thanks, pparadis that's what I was looking for |
| 00:54.07 | innociv_ | Looks like mysql is using up 1.3gigs and I only have an 8gb partician. |
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| 00:56.46 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: so put mysql on its own partition. |
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| 01:04.24 | Guest9129 | hw a u |
| 01:04.39 | abrotman | need Debian help ? |
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| 01:38.53 | redcheckers | if i apt-get remove 'd NetworkManager, is there an 'easy' way to reinstall it when i can't get the net to turn on? |
| 01:40.10 | dvs | redcheckers: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/network-manager |
| 01:40.42 | redcheckers | dvs so copy that to /usr ? |
| 01:41.13 | dvs | redcheckers: Download the deb to a local directory and run "dpkg -i network-manager.deb" as root |
| 01:41.35 | redcheckers | dpkg -i debanem.deb as root, ok. |
| 01:41.35 | dpkg | package debanem.deb as root, ok. is already installed |
| 01:41.41 | redcheckers | ill try that, thank you. |
| 01:41.46 | dvs | yw |
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| 01:43.22 | piukeman | Please I am Installing Open Xchange in debian 6… any here knows a bit about open Xchange ? Ineed a bit of help :-) |
| 01:44.07 | pparadis | piukeman: try #open-xchange |
| 01:44.18 | piukeman | Ohooo Thanks :-) |
| 01:44.23 | pparadis | sure thing |
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| 01:55.54 | meken | Hi, does anyone have a good way to copy an image to the X clipboard? My WM is dwm. |
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| 01:56.59 | meken | I'm able to open an image in GIMP and copy to the X clipboard, but I'm looking for a more lightweight approach. |
| 01:57.52 | pparadis | meken: first google result i got for "linux copy image to clipboard command line" --> http://superuser.com/questions/301851/how-to-copy-a-picture-to-clipboard-from-command-line-in-linux |
| 01:58.44 | pparadis | meken: and xclip is indeed in the repos -> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/xclip |
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| 01:59.42 | meken | pparadis: I've tried both of those techniques. xclip doesn't seem to work for anything besides ASCII files and the python script gave me warnings and was also unsuccessful. |
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| 02:00.07 | NetEcho | I'm having a problem, where at the desktop login screen I enter my password, it accepts it then boots me back to the login screen |
| 02:00.57 | pparadis | meken: that makes sense on thinking about it, because whatever is copying to the clipboard has to decode the image data first. |
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| 02:01.57 | SerajewelKS | is there any SIP client in debian that will, when alerted, pick up the call and begin recording the incoming audio into a file? it does not need to supply any outgoing audio. |
| 02:02.12 | meken | pparadis: Yes, I was looking for a flag to preserve an image as is, but no luck. |
| 02:02.26 | SerajewelKS | preferably a command-line one |
| 02:03.01 | innociv_ | I have an amazon EC2 and I'm trying to increase the disk space. I increased the disk on the image, but I'm having trouble figuring out how to actually use up that new space in debian. Here is fdisk -l showing the 21gb, with only 8.8gb allocated: http://pastebin.com/TZ7ZcGys |
| 02:04.29 | innociv_ | "sudo mkfs -t ext4 /dev/xvda" returns "/dev/xvda is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" |
| 02:04.55 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: you could force it. |
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| 02:05.20 | innociv_ | How can I do that? |
| 02:05.39 | Aaron | innociv_ unmount it |
| 02:05.49 | pparadis | innociv_: wait a second |
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| 02:06.01 | innociv_ | Okay, ppara. |
| 02:06.04 | pparadis | innociv_: are you certain you want to make a filesytem on the device itself, or a partition. |
| 02:06.07 | pparadis | ? |
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| 02:06.18 | ManoftheSea | oh yeah, good point |
| 02:06.21 | pparadis | oh amazon, never mind |
| 02:06.22 | innociv_ | I don't want extra partitions. |
| 02:06.31 | sneex | Can someone explain why exim says its sendmail? RE: Aug 12 22:00:01 area51 sendmail: gethostby*.getanswer: asked for "area51.xxx.blah IN AAAA", got type "A" |
| 02:06.35 | ManoftheSea | you don't want to make a new fs on top of your old. |
| 02:06.36 | innociv_ | With only 21gb, I really want it to be one partition. |
| 02:06.38 | ManoftheSea | You want tune2fs |
| 02:06.47 | pparadis | okay, next point, you can't do that if you're presently booted into an OS that is using that partition. |
| 02:07.03 | ManoftheSea | online resizing? |
| 02:07.03 | pparadis | innociv_: what does "mount" say? |
| 02:07.26 | ManoftheSea | your swap is in the way, to expand the partition |
| 02:07.28 | innociv_ | mount http://pastebin.com/PU38H1cR |
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| 02:07.47 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: for growing the partition, yepper, but i don't believe it can be mounted read/write (maybe i'm wrong on ext4) |
| 02:07.51 | innociv_ | I don't think I can resize online. I mean, I can, but this is what happened. It gives me a 21gb disk with 8.8gb used. |
| 02:08.00 | ManoftheSea | I'd suggest you need to disable your swap, remove it (forcing), resize the partition with the root, reboot, and then online resize. |
| 02:08.01 | NetEcho | I'm getting ** (gnome-session:1767): WARNING **: Unknown option --session=gnome-fallback which is causing me to boot back to login screen, it was working yesterday |
| 02:08.13 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: swap is almost certainly on /dev/xvdb and doesn't have anything to do with this. |
| 02:08.25 | innociv_ | swap is xvdb3 |
| 02:08.25 | ManoftheSea | /dev/xvda3 is linux swap |
| 02:08.34 | ManoftheSea | pparadis: did you look at the pastebin? |
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| 02:08.38 | pparadis | wait a second, yeah, this thing is already partitioned. |
| 02:08.49 | linuxdude | hello |
| 02:08.52 | innociv_ | I need to make xvdb2 larger. |
| 02:09.04 | ManoftheSea | right. You need to remove xvda3 |
| 02:09.08 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: sorry, i just waw that :) |
| 02:09.11 | ManoftheSea | which means disabling the swap first. |
| 02:09.13 | pparadis | saw, rather |
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| 02:09.23 | innociv_ | Is there step by step commands for this? I've never done it before. |
| 02:09.23 | ManoftheSea | then resize the partition, then reboot to resize the filesystem. |
| 02:09.45 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: you're better off just making a new partition, than resizing what you've got. |
| 02:09.48 | ManoftheSea | Less risk |
| 02:10.09 | innociv_ | Well, how would I do that also, while keeping all my data just how it is? |
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| 02:13.06 | innociv_ | I don't want to format the disk or anything like that. |
| 02:13.09 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: there is an easier way. he can 'swapoff -a' to turn off his swap, delete the xvda3 (swap) partition, and use resize2fs with no arguments to grow xvda2 to use all available space. |
| 02:13.41 | ManoftheSea | pparadis: doesn't he need to extend the partition first? |
| 02:13.44 | pparadis | then do 'dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024k count=512 of=/swapfile ; swapon /swapfile' to create a new swap. |
| 02:13.50 | innociv_ | How do I delete xvda3? |
| 02:13.54 | ManoftheSea | ick swapfile? |
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| 02:14.03 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: fdisk |
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| 02:14.24 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: yeah, he will need to extend xvda2, but i presume he'd do that while he's busy in fdisk/parted deleting xvda3 :) |
| 02:14.49 | innociv_ | "fdisk /dev/xvda3" ? |
| 02:15.07 | innociv_ | Confirming as I don't want to screw this up |
| 02:15.11 | pparadis | btw, the /etc/fstab entry for /swapfile would then be: http://paste.debian.net/183308/ |
| 02:15.26 | pparadis | innociv_: no. you would do 'fdisk /dev/xvda' |
| 02:15.27 | ManoftheSea | pparadis: do you think we should be advising him when a mistake will destroy his data? |
| 02:15.34 | Sean-Der | What is the correct way to setup dmix? I am on a laptop and only use MPD + softphone on a ocassion |
| 02:15.38 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: just getting to that :) |
| 02:15.47 | Sean-Der | so it seems a waste to install pulseaudio |
| 02:15.49 | ManoftheSea | I'm not comfortable telling him how to do this, when he doesn't know the commands. |
| 02:15.52 | ManoftheSea | Good luck. |
| 02:15.53 | pparadis | innociv_: you need to read the man page for either fdisk or parted (whichever you want to use) |
| 02:15.55 | ManoftheSea | I suggest the man pages |
| 02:16.02 | ManoftheSea | pparadis++ |
| 02:16.05 | pparadis | hehe |
| 02:16.43 | innociv_ | Okay done. Deleted xvda3 |
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| 02:16.52 | ManoftheSea | did you resize xvda2? |
| 02:17.11 | ManoftheSea | You would need to delete it and recreate it, without any mistake. |
| 02:17.20 | ManoftheSea | I strongly suggest you just create another data partition. |
| 02:17.28 | innociv_ | What exact command for resize2fs? |
| 02:17.32 | ManoftheSea | Also, now would be a good time to set up LVM |
| 02:17.35 | pparadis | incidentally, to resize xvda2 using parted, you'd actually delete the partition (which doesn't do what you think it does), and then recreate it with the max size and filesystem type ext4. |
| 02:17.46 | innociv_ | resize2fs /dev/xvda returned "resize2fs: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/xvda" |
| 02:17.47 | pparadis | haha again |
| 02:17.47 | ManoftheSea | PLEASE make a backup |
| 02:17.53 | innociv_ | I have a backup |
| 02:18.02 | pparadis | that's very good. |
| 02:18.02 | innociv_ | just resize2fs gave me usage |
| 02:18.20 | dvs | innociv_: you need to understand the difference between disks and partitions |
| 02:18.27 | pparadis | so once the partition is deleted and recreated, you should be able to 'resize2fs /dev/xvda2' and it will use all available space. |
| 02:19.00 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: go back into fdisk, delete partition 2, then create a partition of max size minus swap space. |
| 02:19.16 | innociv_ | ManoftheSea, i don't want to delete my data. |
| 02:19.19 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: i'd recommend he not create a swap parition, as per my previous notes. |
| 02:19.34 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: then create a new data partition, and use that for additional space |
| 02:19.36 | innociv_ | pparadis, I need to recreate swap before resize2fs then? |
| 02:19.42 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: there is no performance penalty for using a swapfile anymore instead of a partition, and it saves grief and makes things easier. |
| 02:19.55 | pparadis | innociv_: no, see above notes. |
| 02:20.01 | pparadis | i'll recap. |
| 02:20.20 | innociv_ | Oh you're saying to use swapfile which will use another partition instead of having its own |
| 02:20.29 | ManoftheSea | the swapfile doesn't get fragmented? |
| 02:20.33 | pparadis | dd bs=1024k count=512 if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile ; mkswap /swapfile ; swapon /swapfile |
| 02:20.41 | ManoftheSea | I was saying swap partition. pparadis is advising swapfile. |
| 02:20.43 | pparadis | then add this to /etc/fstab --> http://paste.debian.net/183308/ |
| 02:20.55 | ManoftheSea | use the swapfile |
| 02:21.00 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: if just prevents him from having to mess with a swap partition ever again :) |
| 02:21.04 | ManoftheSea | sure. |
| 02:21.33 | innociv_ | Taking a long time |
| 02:21.36 | innociv_ | Or hung |
| 02:21.43 | pparadis | what hung? |
| 02:21.52 | innociv_ | Okay done |
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| 02:22.12 | pparadis | innociv_: you can verify that the swapfile is active with 'free -m' |
| 02:22.15 | innociv_ | "The filesystem is already 1313313 blocks long. Nothing to do! |
| 02:22.15 | innociv_ | " on resize2fs /dev/xvda2 |
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| 02:22.29 | innociv_ | Yeah 511 swap there. |
| 02:22.34 | pparadis | innociv_: you didn't resize the partition. |
| 02:22.48 | innociv_ | What do I need to do to do that? |
| 02:23.01 | pparadis | innociv_: you need to delete xvda2, then recreate it with the maximum allowable size. |
| 02:23.13 | innociv_ | Won't that delete my data? |
| 02:23.16 | pparadis | and make sure the filesystem type is set to ext4. |
| 02:23.31 | pparadis | no, it will not delete your data. you are altering the partition table, not the filesystem in the partition. |
| 02:23.35 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: a partition is a start and end location. If you don't recreate it, you will not be able to reboot. |
| 02:23.46 | ManoftheSea | But deleting the entry on the table will not destroy the data. |
| 02:23.49 | innociv_ | Oh |
| 02:23.57 | ManoftheSea | It will make it hard to find, though. Don't reboot! |
| 02:24.08 | innociv_ | So I delete xvda2, then I use fdisk to also create a new xvda2? |
| 02:24.09 | pparadis | yeah don't reboot yet, for sure. |
| 02:24.26 | pparadis | innociv_: yes, fdisk or parted (i prefer parted, but whatever) |
| 02:24.27 | ManoftheSea | pparadis: filesystem type? in fdisk? do you mean label 83? |
| 02:24.37 | innociv_ | pparadis, your debian.net paste is not loading |
| 02:24.38 | pparadis | whatever the number is for ext4, yeah |
| 02:24.47 | pparadis | i don't keep the fs codes memorized :) |
| 02:24.52 | ManoftheSea | there's only "linux filesystem" |
| 02:24.56 | pparadis | innociv_: http://paste.debian.net/183308/ |
| 02:24.57 | ManoftheSea | 82 and 83. |
| 02:25.01 | ManoftheSea | one of those is swap. |
| 02:25.27 | pparadis | 83 |
| 02:25.53 | innociv_ | And comment out "/dev/xvda3 none swap sw 0 0"? |
| 02:26.03 | pparadis | correct, because that doesn't exist anymore. |
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| 02:26.22 | innociv_ | I should use fdisk to delete and remake xvda2 right? |
| 02:26.32 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: i knew linux native was 80-something, just couldn't recall what :) |
| 02:26.41 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: yes. |
| 02:26.49 | pparadis | innociv_: you have now asked that question three times. |
| 02:26.54 | pparadis | the answer isn't gonna change. |
| 02:27.10 | innociv_ | It wasn't clear or I missed it sorry. |
| 02:27.13 | pparadis | s'okay |
| 02:27.14 | innociv_ | I just dont want to mess this up |
| 02:28.06 | ManoftheSea | we don't want you to either. |
| 02:29.39 | innociv_ | okay got it |
| 02:29.48 | innociv_ | "/dev/xvda2 15 2610 20852370 83 Linux" now |
| 02:30.13 | innociv_ | But "df" has "/dev/xvda2 5170696 4716892 191144 97% /" |
| 02:30.31 | ManoftheSea | right. |
| 02:30.37 | ManoftheSea | now you need resize2fs |
| 02:30.53 | ManoftheSea | fdisk is showing the partition, while df is showing the filesystem |
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| 02:31.22 | innociv_ | "resize2fs /dev/xvda2" returns "The filesystem is already 1313313 blocks long. Nothing to do!" still. |
| 02:31.47 | pparadis | innociv_: have you rebooted that VM since you added extra disk space to it? |
| 02:31.54 | innociv_ | No. I should do that now then? |
| 02:31.59 | pparadis | just a moment. |
| 02:32.22 | pparadis | so i understand, you added extra disk space to it via amazon, then logged in via ssh and began doing all this stuff, but you didn't reboot before logging in? |
| 02:32.31 | innociv_ | fdisk create is done, /etc/fstab change is done. |
| 02:32.33 | innociv_ | Yes |
| 02:32.36 | innociv_ | Er |
| 02:32.36 | innociv_ | No. |
| 02:32.57 | Onionnion|Eee | I'm on a squeeze-based distro with BPO and I'm trying to install a .deb that depends python2.7 which I do have installed but via source, but apt doesn't see that. What do? |
| 02:33.03 | pparadis | innociv_: please list exactly the steps you took, starting with "i added disk space with amazon" |
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| 02:33.04 | innociv_ | In amazon I backed up(AMI), and changed the disk size on the back up. I shut it down, then created a new instance from the increased size AMI |
| 02:33.11 | innociv_ | So the new instance with the backup AMI had 20gb |
| 02:33.17 | ManoftheSea | Onionnion|Eee: create a virtual package to trick apt. |
| 02:33.36 | Onionnion|Eee | ManoftheSea, how? (I'm not very advanced with apt, sorry) |
| 02:33.40 | pparadis | !tell Onionnion|Eee about based on debian |
| 02:34.15 | innociv_ | So I booted with a 20gb disk size. |
| 02:34.16 | ManoftheSea | oh, sorry, I didn't see "-based" |
| 02:34.19 | Onionnion|Eee | pparadis, ah, right sorry. But still, it's an apt thing |
| 02:34.27 | Onionnion|Eee | using official debian repo's here |
| 02:34.32 | pparadis | Onionnion|Eee: i'm sorry, we can't help with anything but debian here. |
| 02:34.43 | pparadis | Onionnion|Eee: your distro is not debian. |
| 02:34.54 | Onionnion|Eee | At least explain how to trick apt like he said? |
| 02:35.05 | pparadis | no, we cannot and will not support anything but debian in this channel. |
| 02:35.12 | Onionnion|Eee | aw |
| 02:35.13 | pparadis | please consult the resources provided by your distro. |
| 02:36.19 | Devastator | or install real debian |
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| 02:37.23 | innociv_ | pparadis, do you think I'm fine to reboot now? Then try resize2fs again? |
| 02:37.31 | ManoftheSea | read man pages, Onionnion|Eee |
| 02:37.33 | KuSir | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Debian-to-use-Xfce-as-its-standard-desktop-1663868.html |
| 02:37.41 | KuSir | why not KDE? |
| 02:37.53 | ManoftheSea | innociv_: I think so. Does pparadis concur? |
| 02:37.58 | ManoftheSea | KuSir: size. |
| 02:38.09 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: just a moment. |
| 02:38.11 | innociv_ | I will anyway since I have a backup I suppose |
| 02:38.20 | Onionnion|Eee | ManoftheSea, I do but I couldn't see anything on that in there |
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| 02:38.34 | pparadis | innociv_: cany ou please do this? 'apt-get install -y parted ; echo -e "unit b\nprint\nquit\n" | parted /dev/sda ' |
| 02:38.37 | Devastator | and besides, you can install base system and then install which ever desktop you want |
| 02:38.39 | pparadis | Onionnion|Eee: stop. |
| 02:38.53 | innociv_ | Moment. Decided to go ahead and reboot. |
| 02:39.08 | pparadis | Onionnion|Eee: if you persist in seeking support for your non-debian distro in this channel, you are likely to be removed from this channel. |
| 02:39.30 | KuSir | ManoftheSea: What Size？ |
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| 02:39.55 | pparadis | innociv_: sorry, please substitute xvda for sda in the above command |
| 02:40.20 | Devastator | too late, he already rebooted hehe |
| 02:40.24 | innociv_ | after rebooting it looks like resize2fs is working |
| 02:40.31 | pparadis | good deal! |
| 02:40.43 | innociv_ | but the size its resizing to looks wrong.. |
| 02:40.53 | innociv_ | nevermind |
| 02:40.55 | innociv_ | Blocks not bytes. |
| 02:40.59 | pparadis | if it's resizing without arguments, it's using all space :) |
| 02:41.17 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: ^5 |
| 02:41.40 | innociv_ | Yay there we go |
| 02:42.00 | pparadis | \o/ |
| 02:42.03 | ManoftheSea | pparadis: what's caret5? |
| 02:42.09 | pparadis | high five |
| 02:42.25 | innociv_ | Thanks a ton for being patient. |
| 02:42.32 | Apsu- | hits control-5 and waits |
| 02:42.39 | pparadis | haha |
| 02:42.53 | pparadis | looks for the any key. |
| 02:43.03 | ManoftheSea | yeah, that's what I was thinking. |
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| 02:43.11 | ManoftheSea | brohoof pparadis |
| 02:43.20 | pparadis | right on brony! |
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| 02:44.29 | ManoftheSea | I mean fist |
| 02:44.30 | ManoftheSea | fist |
| 02:45.33 | pparadis | suuuure you do. |
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| 03:07.23 | tinkster | If i enter a host whose IP isn't know to DNS into /etc/hosts with its IP and the name "hooga" (this is on squeeze) I can do "ping hooga", and it will work fine, but "host hooga" or "nslookup hooga" won't. Is it normal for these two to ignore nsswitch.conf, just query DNS and give up? |
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| 03:08.02 | tinkster | ^know^known |
| 03:08.03 | ManoftheSea | tinkster: that's bad practice. |
| 03:08.15 | ManoftheSea | but I think that's correct. |
| 03:08.47 | tinkster | I know that using hosts is bad practice. |
| 03:09.01 | tinkster | You think that those two don't care about nsswitch.conf? |
| 03:11.38 | ManoftheSea | I think so, yeah. |
| 03:11.45 | ManoftheSea | get a second opinion. |
| 03:13.17 | pparadis | tinkster: using hosts isn't bad practice as long as you're using it for the right reason (say for testing something before switching DNS over). to address your question, "host" and "nslookup" will not consult /etc/hosts. |
| 03:14.35 | heroxbd | hi, after installing the kernel from experimental. the ax25 gnu radio modules always gets auto loaded with dmesg message "register network protocol 11". I have put "blacklist ax25" in /etc/modprobe.d/gnu-radio-blacklist.conf and rebooted. But it still get auto loaded. What should I do to disable this module? |
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| 03:15.37 | heroxbd | is reading http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 03:15.59 | tinkster | thx pparadis |
| 03:16.51 | piousmin1on | How can I force the owner/group of files on an ext3 volume? It doesn't seem to support uid/gid like NTFS does. |
| 03:17.07 | simonlnu | heroxbd: and that's a problem how? |
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| 03:18.23 | pparadis | piousmin1on: man chown |
| 03:18.23 | simonlnu | piousmin1on: man mount |
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| 03:18.53 | piousmin1on | pparadis: that doesn't force new files to be owned by a specific user/group |
| 03:19.13 | sney | since when does ntfs support unix-like permissions of any kind |
| 03:19.17 | piousmin1on | simonlnu: If I wasn't already there I wouldn't know ext3 didn't support uid/gid. :P |
| 03:19.26 | piousmin1on | sney: it's emulated. |
| 03:19.28 | heroxbd | simonlnu: I am testing the method in wiki.. |
| 03:20.02 | ManoftheSea | It is correct, ext3 doesn't support like NTFS does. |
| 03:20.09 | ManoftheSea | but that's because ext3 does, and ntfs doesn't. |
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| 03:20.40 | sniggles | haha, help freenode weed out clones |
| 03:20.49 | ManoftheSea | piousmin1on: set sticky on a directory, files created in it take the uid/gid |
| 03:20.50 | simonlnu | heroxbd: which wiki, and which method? |
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| 03:21.22 | simonlnu | setgid/setuid on the dir |
| 03:21.29 | piousmin1on | ManoftheSea: will the owner/group of the dir change when I mount a volume on it? |
| 03:21.30 | sniggles | how would I run a second video card as an output for a video projector? |
| 03:22.21 | simonlnu | wanders off |
| 03:22.48 | ManoftheSea | thanks simonlnu |
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| 03:23.03 | ManoftheSea | setuid isn't sticky. My bad. |
| 03:23.11 | ManoftheSea | piousmin1on: yes. |
| 03:23.22 | ManoftheSea | do it to the mounted directory, not the mount point. |
| 03:24.14 | heroxbd | simonlnu: It doesn't work :( |
| 03:24.18 | pparadis | piousmin1on: yeah, sorry about the chown answer at first, i don't think you specified "new" in your original inquiry :) |
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| 03:24.49 | Aaron | hey i have a Sony Vaio laptop i was using arch, and now i want to install debian which, iso would i download, my ethernet, on previous installations, has fail but my wireless does work, is there any way i can get help? |
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| 03:25.20 | pparadis | !tell Aaron about kmuto |
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| 03:25.51 | pparadis | if i understand you correctly, you're wanting to do a netinstall with your wireless and you're concerned about driver support in the installer. |
| 03:26.11 | Aaron | pparadis no my ethernet does not get recognize |
| 03:26.17 | Aaron | i load the drivers that i use in arch |
| 03:26.20 | Aaron | and still no luck, |
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| 03:26.30 | Aaron | so that's why i want it to know if, i can download any image with such success, |
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| 03:26.33 | pparadis | Aaron: you've already installed debian? |
| 03:26.39 | Aaron | by the way, the ethernet driver uses e100 |
| 03:26.43 | Aaron | no pparadis |
| 03:26.58 | pparadis | !tell Aaron about installer firmware |
| 03:27.00 | Aaron | because my ethernet driver does not get recognize so I'm stock with out internet |
| 03:27.35 | pparadis | !tell Aaron about firmware images |
| 03:27.36 | Aaron | so it sucks, to install something that does not work |
| 03:27.46 | piousmin1on | ManoftheSea: then that's a problem. If I set group to "users" and sticky it it's kind of pointless when I mount it and the group changes to root. Any way around this? |
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| 03:28.04 | pparadis | Aaron: you should have some PMs from dpkg telling you about alternate installer images that will probably recognize your hardware. |
| 03:28.08 | Aaron | yeah |
| 03:28.09 | Aaron | i saw it |
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| 03:28.14 | Aaron | pparadis what do you, suggest? |
| 03:28.31 | pparadis | Aaron: i suggest you read the messages from dpkg and perhaps start with the last one. |
| 03:28.40 | ManoftheSea | piousmin1on: mount it, then set the group. |
| 03:29.07 | piousmin1on | ManoftheSea: will it retain the group on umount/remount? |
| 03:29.11 | pparadis | Aaron: the relevant link is probably this --> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ |
| 03:29.20 | ManoftheSea | piousmin1on: TIAS |
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| 03:29.36 | Aaron | do i get amd 64 or both? |
| 03:29.40 | Aaron | sorry multi arch |
| 03:29.53 | sniggles | how would I run a second video card as an output for a video projector? I am using the latest debian. I have a DVI card running my monitor and I have a SVGA card I would like to run as a secondary monitor output for a projector. |
| 03:30.25 | pparadis | piousmin1on: also see this regarding UID/GID/ACLs --> http://cpuug.org/index.php?topic=70.0 |
| 03:30.31 | Aaron | i miss debian |
| 03:30.58 | pparadis | Aaron: if you have a 64 bit processor, you probably want the amd64 image. |
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| 03:31.50 | Aaron | i'm getting the multi arch |
| 03:31.51 | Aaron | install |
| 03:31.59 | piousmin1on | ManoftheSea: thanks a ton. really. :) |
| 03:33.04 | pparadis | Aaron: it's going to prompt you first thing to specify 32 bit or 64 bit when you start the installer, so you might as well get the arch you want anyhow. |
| 03:33.16 | Aaron | cool |
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| 03:33.36 | Skeeter- | hi, im doing a resize2fs, |
| 03:33.48 | Skeeter- | the realocating blocks part always reset |
| 03:33.53 | Skeeter- | is it normal? |
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| 03:34.29 | ex-parrot | should /etc/mailname contain a fully qualified hostname or not? |
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| 03:36.54 | ex-parrot | actually it looks like it's meant to be fully qualified |
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| 03:37.06 | piousmin1on | pparadis: I'll check it out. Thanks. :) |
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| 03:38.38 | Aaron | i miss debian |
| 03:38.43 | Aaron | i haven't used it in a while |
| 03:39.03 | ManoftheSea | no time like the present to install it. |
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| 03:40.27 | Aaron | yeah I'm going back to it |
| 03:40.30 | Aaron | let's see how it treats me |
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| 03:42.35 | Chipmonkpyro | Hey, I have debian installed as more or less a hobby and I've had my server up for about a couple years more or less. I only do small stuff like hosting subversion a couple sites and a minecraft server for a couple friends. As of the past month or so I've noticed connecting with putty has gotten slow (slow to change directories primarily), and the server becomes non responsive and needs to... |
| 03:42.37 | Chipmonkpyro | ...be rebooted every couple days. I'm trying to figure out what the issue is and I have a feeling its not hardware related, I was wondering if anyone could offer some tips for tracking down the issue because I have no idea where to start. Thanks! |
| 03:43.41 | ex-parrot | Chipmonkpyro: use "top" to have a look at how loaded the CPU is, perhaps? |
| 03:43.47 | Chipmonkpyro | I have to go afk for 20 mins, but I'll let the question sit :-) |
| 03:44.13 | ex-parrot | also "uptime" will give you load averages across several time periods. if you are not familiar with the concept of "load averages" I suggest you look in to that first :) |
| 03:44.23 | Chipmonkpyro | thanks for the tip! |
| 03:44.32 | Apsu- | Chipmonkpyro: I'd imagine if you don't change things much, and aren't terribly proactive in administration, you're probably near or filling your disk space. |
| 03:44.52 | Chipmonkpyro | at first glance it looks like java (minecraft) is taking up a huge load, that might be the root of my issues |
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| 03:45.20 | ManoftheSea | Chipmonkpyro: you might also check "df" for filesystem filled size |
| 03:45.27 | Apsu- | Minecraft would be, yes. That's normal, though. |
| 03:45.32 | ex-parrot | from memory the mincraft server is very resource hungry |
| 03:45.45 | Apsu- | It could be filling up your disk, though. Which would help explain the Change in behavior. |
| 03:46.04 | Apsu- | Or perhaps just hitting a level of usage where the RAM used requires swapping |
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| 03:47.13 | pparadis | Chipmonkpyro: when you experience this slowness, do "free -m" to check if you're digging heavily into swap. also look into iotop to look at disk IO activity, which will be high if you're swap thrashing. |
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| 03:52.00 | Aaron | ok |
| 03:52.02 | Aaron | now it's burning |
| 03:52.06 | Aaron | let's see how it goes |
| 03:52.11 | Aaron | i hope everything goes out okay |
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| 03:54.23 | needhelp | can anybody help with my network issues? |
| 03:55.25 | Rusty1 | !anyone |
| 03:55.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 03:55.30 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: not with the info you've provided |
| 03:55.55 | needhelp | sorry, didn't know if anybody was reading |
| 03:55.58 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: but feel free to try again. |
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| 03:58.19 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: please provide more info about your network issues |
| 03:58.24 | needhelp | im using squeeze in a vm which has a working eth0 interface, and full networking, but after I added a new test interface into the /etc/network/interfaces file, the eth0 is no longer working |
| 03:58.51 | ManoftheSea | !pastebin |
| 03:58.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 03:59.01 | ManoftheSea | please paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:59.14 | needhelp | I've undid my additions to the /etc/network/interfaces file but eth0 still not working |
| 03:59.34 | pparadis | needhelp: please do as ManoftheSea requested. |
| 03:59.40 | pparadis | http://paste.debian.net |
| 03:59.51 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: have you tried bringing up the interface manually? |
| 04:00.11 | ManoftheSea | "ifconfig eth0 192.168.7.4 up" |
| 04:00.33 | sniggles | hello could anyone help me install a secondary video card? |
| 04:00.36 | needhelp | These are the lines I added to the interfaces file: http://paste.debian.net/183312/ |
| 04:00.50 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: please paste the ENTIRE file. |
| 04:00.55 | needhelp | ok |
| 04:01.31 | ManoftheSea | as it currently is. |
| 04:02.15 | ManoftheSea | Is this for tethering a cell phone, or a ben nanonote perhaps? |
| 04:02.25 | needhelp | here's the file as it is: http://paste.debian.net/183313/ |
| 04:03.06 | needhelp | I was trying to connect to an embedded linux device |
| 04:03.28 | needhelp | Which I succeeded, but the problem is it brought down eth0 |
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| 04:04.22 | ManoftheSea | needhelp, are you able to bring eth0 up manually? "ifconfig eth0 192.168.7.4 up" |
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| 04:04.54 | ManoftheSea | I don't see anything wrong with /etc/network/interfaces as it is here. |
| 04:05.20 | needhelp | The ifconfig says it's up, it's not connecting |
| 04:06.11 | ManoftheSea | well, the address is probably wrong. |
| 04:06.14 | sniggles | I have a terminal prompt up and im ready to explore the magic of hardware settings in linux :] |
| 04:06.16 | ManoftheSea | now try "dhclient eth0" |
| 04:06.36 | ex-parrot | sniggles: xorg is pretty good about that stuff these days. if you just drop in the second card it may work automatically |
| 04:06.48 | sniggles | already put in the card |
| 04:07.03 | sniggles | I restarted my computer and everything is working as usual |
| 04:07.05 | needhelp | I can't run dhclient... it's not found in my commands |
| 04:07.07 | ManoftheSea | sniggles: in gnome, there's the display settings on the settings menu. |
| 04:07.09 | sniggles | im turning the projector on now |
| 04:07.23 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: do you know your dhcp client program? Also, are you root? |
| 04:07.23 | sniggles | ok its only showing my monitor |
| 04:07.40 | needhelp | yes, I'm root |
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| 04:08.00 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: you might also have dhcpcd. I think the command form is "dhcpcd eth0" |
| 04:08.21 | ManoftheSea | on the other hand, if you no longer have dhclient, that might be your problem. |
| 04:08.32 | needhelp | I've never had to use a dhcp client |
| 04:08.36 | ManoftheSea | eth0 can't come up with dhcp if you lost your dhcp program. |
| 04:08.50 | ManoftheSea | your interfaces claims eth0 is autoconfigured by dhcp |
| 04:08.52 | needhelp | dhcpd can't be found either |
| 04:09.03 | ManoftheSea | Do you know your local network address? |
| 04:09.11 | ManoftheSea | or, what it's suppsoed to be? |
| 04:09.27 | Chipmonkpyro | I'm not using any swap space, and I have even shut down minecraft so the CPU has no load now, but FTP is still slow. I think it may have something to do with nameservers, and some setting that got messed up, but I cant put my finder on it. |
| 04:09.29 | needhelp | I have it in my notes as : 192.168.0.6 |
| 04:09.56 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.6" "route add default gw 192.168.0.1" |
| 04:10.06 | ManoftheSea | then try "ping 8.8.8.8" |
| 04:10.26 | civillian | you might want a subnet mask there too |
| 04:10.38 | ManoftheSea | civillian: it'll auto go to /24 |
| 04:10.58 | civillian | really? ... I thought it would have defaulted to the classful mask |
| 04:11.07 | needhelp | those two commands ran fine and I'm getting reply from ping |
| 04:11.08 | ManoftheSea | ... isn't that a /24? |
| 04:11.13 | sniggles | how do i check if xorg is installed from the command line? |
| 04:11.15 | civillian | for 192.168 its /16 |
| 04:11.19 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: you should be able to use the network now. |
| 04:11.33 | civillian | or have I got that totally wrong |
| 04:11.33 | needhelp | diggity! |
| 04:11.34 | ManoftheSea | I believe whatever guide you were using asked you to change the eth0 lines from static to dhcp |
| 04:11.50 | ManoftheSea | civillian: you have that wrong. There are 256 class C networks in 192.168. |
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| 04:12.15 | needhelp | Now, how do I make this fix stick? |
| 04:12.17 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: you should fix interfaces to go back to static, with your noted address. Are you able to do this? |
| 04:12.53 | needhelp | I suppose I can do that, but I always had it as dhcp, and my router is configured to give out static addresses. |
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| 04:13.18 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: http://paste.debian.net/183317/ |
| 04:13.39 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: then you might check aptitude for dhclient |
| 04:13.52 | pparadis | i was gonna say after reading the first pastebin listing, "where is eth0 defined?" |
| 04:13.54 | ManoftheSea | er, isc-dhcp-client |
| 04:14.06 | ManoftheSea | pparadis: the first paste was incomplete |
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| 04:14.16 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: gotcha |
| 04:14.19 | ManoftheSea | the second showed eth0 as dhcp, but he doesn't have a dhcp client |
| 04:14.26 | ManoftheSea | or, he lost it or something |
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| 04:14.33 | pparadis | that would make dhcp difficult |
| 04:14.42 | needhelp | so with your changed file, I have network and the embedded device settings? |
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| 04:14.52 | ManoftheSea | I expect that to be true, yes. |
| 04:15.36 | ManoftheSea | alternately (and better) would be to fix your dhcp client, and use "iface eth0 inet dhcp" like you had. |
| 04:15.49 | needhelp | anything about the new lines I added, that jump out at you as being the culprit or weird? |
| 04:16.48 | Apsu- | ManoftheSea, civillian: 192.168 is a /16 in RFC1918, which is a CIDR supernet of class C's (classified by the first octet). |
| 04:17.23 | civillian | Apsu-: would that make the default mask /16 or /24? |
| 04:17.50 | Apsu- | civillian: I'm not sure what you mean by "default". There aren't really default masks, unless an application applies what it thinks the mask should be. |
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| 04:18.03 | ManoftheSea | so anyway, ifconfig will default to a /24 if you don't specify for 192.168.x.y |
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| 04:18.15 | Apsu- | civillian: However, if what you mean to ask is "what's the mask for the 192.168 private space", it's /16 |
| 04:18.23 | Apsu- | ManoftheSea: ifconfig is deprecated and terrible in dozens of ways. |
| 04:18.24 | civillian | Apsu-: http://compnetworking.about.com/od/workingwithipaddresses/l/aa043000b.htm |
| 04:18.29 | ManoftheSea | but a "CIDR supernet of class C's" would make it a default of /24 |
| 04:18.31 | Apsu- | ManoftheSea: I wouldn't doubt it does the wrong thing. |
| 04:18.38 | civillian | Apsu-: that page mentions default mask |
| 04:18.56 | Apsu- | ManoftheSea: Wrong. Class C's are /24 (B being /16, A being /8), and a supernet of 256 Class C's would be /16 |
| 04:18.57 | KsM | How is ifconfig terrible? |
| 04:19.22 | ManoftheSea | Apsu-: right, so a GIVEN class C in the 192.168 block would be a /24 |
| 04:19.24 | sniggles | ok, I got xserver-xorg installed, how do i use this to access the second video card in my system? |
| 04:19.40 | ManoftheSea | so if I said 192.168.x.y, then 192.168.x is the net and y is the host. |
| 04:19.45 | Apsu- | KsM: It fails at multihoming, mixing them incorrectly with aliases, doesn't show all relevant interface flags and link statuses |
| 04:19.47 | Rusty1 | ManoftheSea: as i wander off, remind that needhelp is configuring a vm |
| 04:19.48 | Apsu- | KsM: To start with |
| 04:19.53 | pparadis | this is handily demonstrating why classful networking is dead, and also is better discussed in ##networking |
| 04:20.22 | Apsu- | KsM: It's also unmaintained, full of bugs, hasn't received much attention in about 8 years |
| 04:20.26 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: no. |
| 04:20.29 | Apsu- | KsM: It was fully replaced by iproute2 |
| 04:20.29 | ManoftheSea | Rusty1: hunh? |
| 04:20.46 | pparadis | Apsu-: can we get back to helping needhelp solve the actual problem at hand? |
| 04:20.51 | ManoftheSea | Rusty1: is that "help the guy you're helping" or "vm's will cause problems"? |
| 04:21.06 | pparadis | Apsu-: the ancillary conversation has drowned out the support task at hand. |
| 04:21.13 | Rusty1 | ManoftheSea: i believe he saud at the outset that the debian instance is a vm |
| 04:21.37 | ManoftheSea | Rusty1: why would that change his dhcp behaviour? I don't understand what you're hinting at? |
| 04:21.53 | needhelp | Thanks ManoftheSea and debian help! |
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| 04:22.17 | ManoftheSea | needhelp: have you rebooted, and it still works? |
| 04:22.27 | needhelp | This has been my first time coming here for advice and it's been great. |
| 04:22.40 | Rusty1 | ManoftheSea: in vbox, anyway, the there are settings for bridging the host interface etc |
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| 04:23.11 | ManoftheSea | ok, and from that: needhelp, did you change the vm hardware configuration? |
| 04:23.17 | pparadis | Rusty1: the internal network interface definitions don't care about taht. |
| 04:23.36 | ManoftheSea | pparadis: no, but if he moved from a dhcp virutal net to one without... |
| 04:23.41 | ManoftheSea | he'd no longer get an ip. |
| 04:23.55 | ManoftheSea | However, his static ip worked when statically configured, so I doubt it's that. |
| 04:23.56 | needhelp | I'm rebooting now. No, I haven't changed the vm configuration other than add usb filter to pass through. |
| 04:24.02 | ManoftheSea | sure. |
| 04:24.12 | ManoftheSea | hope it works for ya |
| 04:24.20 | ManoftheSea | odd, about the dhcp. |
| 04:24.28 | Rusty1 | pparadis: as long as the host if is bridged to the vm |
| 04:24.32 | pparadis | if he's getting his IP by MAC address from a DHCP reservation, then yeah it will matter if that MAC changes. |
| 04:24.49 | ManoftheSea | Rusty1: are you rusty russell? |
| 04:24.56 | needhelp | It still works! |
| 04:24.56 | Rusty1 | nay |
| 04:25.02 | ManoftheSea | yay. |
| 04:25.07 | pparadis | needhelp: good deal |
| 04:25.16 | ManoftheSea | the issue I foresee is if dhcp forgets about your lease, and tries to reassign it. |
| 04:25.42 | ManoftheSea | a small home network and a decent router shouldn't be a problem. |
| 04:25.55 | pparadis | he has a static reservation on the router for it, right? |
| 04:26.02 | ManoftheSea | no |
| 04:26.08 | ManoftheSea | I believe he only has the old dhcp lease. |
| 04:26.09 | needhelp | I'll install dhcp client like you suggested. |
| 04:26.15 | ManoftheSea | cool. |
| 04:26.16 | pparadis | oh okay |
| 04:26.18 | ManoftheSea | Night all. |
| 04:26.29 | pparadis | didn't realize he still hadn't installed a DHCP client. |
| 04:26.47 | pparadis | ManoftheSea: night |
| 04:26.49 | needhelp | That makes sense. |
| 04:26.51 | ManoftheSea | neither dhcpcd nor dhclient worked. |
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| 04:27.10 | needhelp | Thanks again. You saved me from having to reinstall. |
| 04:27.23 | needhelp | Good night all. |
| 04:27.28 | pparadis | \o |
| 04:27.32 | pparadis | goes to bed as well |
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| 04:30.45 | ManoftheSea | oh, you're gone, but good job on taking notes on your old ip address. |
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| 04:31.48 | sniggles | Can someone show me how to use a second video card to run a second monitor? |
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| 04:33.25 | sniggles | does xinerama sound right? |
| 04:33.58 | gnarface | sniggles: yes |
| 04:34.27 | sniggles | ok, I have already put the card in the slot and the system is now running |
| 04:34.43 | sniggles | how do I check to see if my system can see the new hardware? |
| 04:34.58 | gnarface | lspci |
| 04:35.38 | sniggles | !pastebin |
| 04:35.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 04:36.11 | sniggles | http://paste.debian.net/183318/ |
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| 04:36.43 | sniggles | can you help me figure out what all that means? |
| 04:37.21 | sniggles | my main card is a DVI and the second card is an SVGA (I think) |
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| 04:38.37 | Diopter | You have two video cards from two different manufacturers, and want to use both at once. Welcome to one of the more difficult parts of Xorg in Linux :P |
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| 04:39.40 | sniggles | ok, I dont want to share the same windows even |
| 04:40.02 | sniggles | it would be ok if they were seperate? |
| 04:40.06 | Diopter | Well then, you can start two separate X servers |
| 04:40.06 | sniggles | :[ |
| 04:40.09 | Diopter | Using different configs |
| 04:40.12 | Diopter | That point to different drivers |
| 04:40.26 | sniggles | ok, so I need to make sure I have all the correct drivers first? |
| 04:40.36 | sniggles | both cards are nVidia... right? |
| 04:40.40 | Diopter | Yeah. I can't walk you through it though, bedtime coming up |
| 04:40.50 | Diopter | Um |
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| 04:41.02 | sniggles | ;_; |
| 04:41.12 | Diopter | What I see in your lspci paste is an ATI Radon 7000 and Nvidia Quadro 600 |
| 04:41.17 | Diopter | s/Radon/Radeon/ |
| 04:41.21 | sniggles | yes |
| 04:41.41 | Diopter | So... both cards are most definitely not nVidia |
| 04:41.43 | Diopter | :P |
| 04:41.46 | sniggles | uhhh |
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| 04:41.51 | Diopter | One's pretty definitely an ATI there |
| 04:41.52 | jbondhus | oops :P |
| 04:42.07 | sniggles | ok right im a retard sirry |
| 04:42.19 | sniggles | the main card that im using now is the quadro |
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| 04:42.58 | plant | hey i got a question i just install debian. but the network, did not work. my wireless it shows. but when i try to bring the interface wlan0 it says, in the terminal wlan0 is not ready |
| 04:43.06 | plant | any ideas? so i can get a fully debian system |
| 04:43.58 | pparadis | !wifi |
| 04:43.58 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 04:44.10 | sniggles | ok, so there is a difference between xfree86 and xorg? which one do i need? |
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| 04:44.51 | jagginess | sniggles, some distros call it xfree86, others xorg.. same thing from the xorg branch.. |
| 04:44.52 | plant | xorg sniggles |
| 04:45.03 | sniggles | ok phew |
| 04:45.05 | plant | damn i hate debian |
| 04:45.19 | plant | it does not recognize my freaking network card. |
| 04:45.21 | plant | that sucks |
| 04:45.33 | Diopter | plant: That's unlikely. You said you have a wlan0 |
| 04:45.33 | sniggles | im going to try and follow the directions here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/automagicconfig.html |
| 04:45.33 | pparadis | plant: did you read what dpkg said above? you need to understand that non-free firmware is _not_ going to be in the debian repos. |
| 04:45.37 | sniggles | good idea or bad idea? |
| 04:45.47 | jagginess | sniggles, it's because the license changed from the original branch before it got forked to xorg.. some distros decided to call the xorg branch xfree86 which is a little dumb imho |
| 04:45.50 | plant | i have it, |
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| 04:45.55 | plant | but when i try connecting on it |
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| 04:45.58 | plant | it does not work. |
| 04:46.00 | plant | so i need help |
| 04:46.02 | Diopter | plant: How are you trying to connect? |
| 04:46.11 | pparadis | plant: the odds are good that you do in fact need to install non-free firmware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_Free_Software_Guidelines |
| 04:46.15 | plant | iwconfig wlan0 essid |
| 04:46.24 | plant | and iwconfig wlan0 key and then dhcp wlan0 |
| 04:46.28 | plant | and no luck |
| 04:46.39 | Diopter | Are you using WEP? |
| 04:46.39 | reavengrey | Hi, I'm tired of reading this man page and that, and my debian installation cannot connect to the net, so any online reading I do is on my win-7 partition, and then I have to reboot to the offline debian to try things out |
| 04:46.45 | plant | yeah |
| 04:46.46 | plant | wep |
| 04:46.46 | pparadis | the device being seen and the device actually working are two different things. please pastebin the output of 'lspci -nn' to http://paste.debian.net |
| 04:46.56 | reavengrey | How do I set the password for a wireless connection |
| 04:46.59 | reavengrey | With iwconfig? |
| 04:47.02 | sniggles | ok... I need a better tutorial on how to use X |
| 04:47.08 | Diopter | reavengrey: Is your wireless connection WEP? :P |
| 04:47.13 | reavengrey | WPA |
| 04:47.15 | reavengrey | With TKIP |
| 04:47.16 | plant | damn can someone help me please? |
| 04:47.23 | pparadis | plant: i am helping you. please read above. |
| 04:47.26 | plant | i need help. i love debian but debian it's not friendly with my laptop |
| 04:47.34 | reavengrey | How or where do I enter the password? |
| 04:47.37 | Diopter | reavengrey: Then you need wpa_supplicant, and would do well to use some kind of connection manager. wicd is a good one. |
| 04:47.38 | reavengrey | For a wifi network? |
| 04:47.40 | pparadis | plant: please pastebin the output of 'lspci -nn' to http://paste.debian.net |
| 04:47.44 | pparadis | plant: or stop trolling. |
| 04:47.49 | reavengrey | I installed network-manager-gnome |
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| 04:47.55 | reavengrey | But it doesn't connect |
| 04:47.58 | Diopter | reavengrey: Ok... then use it? |
| 04:48.03 | reavengrey | I would REALLY |
| 04:48.10 | reavengrey | Appreciate it if you would drop that tone |
| 04:48.13 | pparadis | plant: connect using the wired interface temporarily if you need to. |
| 04:48.29 | reavengrey | I can place the laptop right ont op of the router |
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| 04:48.33 | reavengrey | on the same table where it is |
| 04:48.41 | reavengrey | and the network-manager won't connect |
| 04:48.41 | sniggles | when i type X -configure, I get "Fatal Server Error. Server is already active for display 0" |
| 04:48.51 | plant | pparadis my ethernet it's not recognize |
| 04:48.53 | plant | i don't know why |
| 04:48.57 | pparadis | reavengrey: you're going to get the same response from that i just gave to plant. this channel is staffed by volunteers who are giving their time to help you, and nobody here is getting paid. please adjust your attitude accordingly. |
| 04:49.08 | Diopter | reavengrey: What, exactly, are you trying in network manager? What, exactly, is happening? |
| 04:49.08 | plant | is there any iso, that i can download. for my sony vaio with good drivers? |
| 04:49.09 | reavengrey | I can't tell yet whether or not it's due to the driver (brcm80211) or due to a problwm with network-manager itself |
| 04:49.15 | simonlnu | sniggles: so add "-- :1" to that |
| 04:49.16 | pparadis | !tell plant about kmuto |
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| 04:49.33 | reavengrey | Diopter: Well, the normal thing, netweork-manager presents a gui in GNOME |
| 04:49.37 | reavengrey | I pull downthe menu |
| 04:49.39 | sniggles | x - configure --:1 |
| 04:49.42 | sniggles | type that? |
| 04:49.46 | reavengrey | and click my wifi connection |
| 04:49.47 | simonlnu | no -- :1 |
| 04:49.50 | reavengrey | And enter the password |
| 04:49.51 | sniggles | ? |
| 04:49.55 | reavengrey | The result I see is: |
| 04:49.59 | pparadis | Aaron: (formerly known as plant) please check your PM for a message from dpkg regarding kmuto alternate installer images. |
| 04:50.14 | reavengrey | The icon in the systray begins working, and it swirls like it normally does |
| 04:50.14 | Aaron | dude, i already download the image from where you told me and my network |
| 04:50.15 | Aaron | does not work |
| 04:50.18 | Aaron | i don't know what to do |
| 04:50.18 | sniggles | type: x --:1 |
| 04:50.19 | reavengrey | but it just locks in a loop |
| 04:50.20 | sniggles | ? |
| 04:50.33 | sniggles | x -configure:1 |
| 04:50.34 | pparadis | Aaron: you might very well have better luck with them, as those images are designed to bundle various wifi (and SATA and other stuff) drivers from the start that you likely need to get up and running. |
| 04:50.35 | sniggles | that? |
| 04:50.36 | simonlnu | sniggles: i did not say that |
| 04:50.44 | sniggles | ? |
| 04:50.49 | reavengrey | pparadis: You said that I need wpa_supplicant |
| 04:50.54 | Aaron | I'm using ath9k |
| 04:50.56 | Aaron | drivers |
| 04:50.59 | sniggles | type exactly what you want me to put in the terminal please, I am confused |
| 04:51.00 | reavengrey | Which is a keyword I've heard before in passing |
| 04:51.03 | pparadis | reavengrey: i didn't say that. |
| 04:51.08 | Diopter | reavengrey: I did actually, but that'll be a dependency of networkmanager. |
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| 04:51.12 | simonlnu | and quit doing "?". wtf does that mean anyway? |
| 04:51.17 | Aaron | the sucky thing is that my ethernet does not get recognize |
| 04:51.19 | Aaron | i hate that part. |
| 04:51.20 | Aaron | of it |
| 04:51.26 | simonlnu | sniggles: "X -configure -- :1" |
| 04:51.40 | pparadis | Aaron: please try the kmuto installer ISO. it will likely solve your problems. |
| 04:51.50 | Diopter | reavengrey: So, you can certainly test manually. Open a terminal, and generate a simple config with: wpa_passphrase ssid "Passphrase" > ssid.conf |
| 04:51.59 | Aaron | pparadis dude i did |
| 04:52.03 | Aaron | and it did not work |
| 04:52.14 | sniggles | fatal error unrecognized option - - |
| 04:52.17 | Diopter | reavengrey: Then, wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c ssid.conf, or -i whatever your wireless interface is |
| 04:52.26 | pparadis | Aaron: when did you do that? just now? |
| 04:52.27 | reavengrey | Diopter: thanks |
| 04:52.36 | Aaron | yeah |
| 04:52.41 | Aaron | i burn the image and install it already |
| 04:52.53 | pparadis | Aaron: in the two minutes since i told you about it? |
| 04:53.00 | Diopter | reavengrey: That will let you at least see if it's connecting to the AP successfully. Then you'd need to run "dhclient wlan0" to get an IP, once it does |
| 04:53.12 | reavengrey | Diopter: Right |
| 04:53.17 | Aaron | pparadis nope the other image |
| 04:53.23 | Aaron | that i download it earlier |
| 04:53.28 | simonlnu | sniggles: drop "-- " |
| 04:53.30 | sniggles | Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. |
| 04:53.30 | sniggles | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.42 | sniggles | ok I got it, the command was X :1 -configure |
| 04:53.46 | pparadis | Aaron: please describe exactly what steps you have taken since you first decided to install debian on that machine. |
| 04:53.51 | Diopter | sniggles: I told you that you'll need to specify a different driver in a different config file |
| 04:53.52 | simonlnu | won't even handle a "end of options" syntax... |
| 04:54.08 | Aaron | pparadis i type ifconfig wlan0 up and i see it with ifconfig |
| 04:54.13 | sniggles | how do I do that? |
| 04:54.22 | pparadis | Aaron: as i said earlier, seeing the device and having it work are two different things. |
| 04:54.32 | pparadis | Aaron: did you download, burn, and install from one of these images? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 04:54.33 | Diopter | sniggles: By creating a config and passing it to X, or startx, or xinit |
| 04:54.33 | Aaron | and then i type iwconfig wlan0 essid network name && iwconfig wlan0 key and then dhcp wlan0 |
| 04:54.48 | Diopter | Aaron: dhclient |
| 04:54.53 | pparadis | Aaron: slow down. please answer the last question. |
| 04:54.55 | Aaron | yeah i just install the multi boot |
| 04:55.07 | sniggles | oh my that sounds difficult... is there somewhere with step by step instructions? |
| 04:55.11 | pparadis | multi boot? |
| 04:55.59 | reavengrey | You know, I really wish that Linus would authorize a team to synergise the Linux userspace. How terrible is this design, where support for something as integral as a layer two networking encryption dependency is maintained as a separate project? |
| 04:56.02 | pparadis | Aaron: i really do hate to go, but i hate work in the morning, and i've got to get to sleep. i'm certain others here will be able to get you up and running. good luck |
| 04:56.12 | reavengrey | I like linux and everything, but it really DOES get on your nerves sometimes |
| 04:56.12 | Diopter | pparadis: I hate work in the morning too |
| 04:56.22 | pparadis | s/hate work/have work/ <-- fun typo, i actually like work :) |
| 04:56.26 | Diopter | oh oh, right |
| 04:56.30 | pparadis | :) |
| 04:56.31 | Diopter | Typo ;) |
| 04:56.33 | pparadis | good night all \o |
| 04:56.42 | Diopter | Same here, I'm out. 'night |
| 04:57.20 | Aaron | ok |
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| 04:58.07 | ||arifaX | Good morning (49.731609,12.069551) |
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| 05:00.51 | sniggles | sniggles: By creating a config and passing it to X, or startx, or xinit |
| 05:00.58 | sniggles | how do I do those three things? |
| 05:01.07 | sniggles | isint there an autoconfig for X? |
| 05:01.33 | Aaron | damn debian, |
| 05:01.42 | Aaron | i hate installing something, and something not working |
| 05:01.43 | Aaron | damn |
| 05:03.55 | Aaron | any help? |
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| 05:05.00 | civillian | Aaron: are you talking to anyone in particular? |
| 05:05.33 | Aaron | no I'm talking to anyone that can help me. |
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| 05:05.43 | Aaron | to get my wireless network working |
| 05:06.08 | civillian | Aaron: ahh ok. Sorry but my knowledge of wifi ends at the AP. |
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| 05:12.45 | sniggles | ok I have an xterm window up |
| 05:12.53 | sniggles | what do I do now? |
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| 05:28.33 | Aaron | damn no luck still with the network |
| 05:28.44 | Aaron | does any one here knows how to get debian install success, on a sony vaio? |
| 05:28.55 | Aaron | i been trying to get my network drivers up but they are not workig |
| 05:28.57 | Aaron | *working |
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| 05:50.11 | guest__ | civillian: It's not OpenSource or Free ? |
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| 05:57.30 | reavengrey | Hi, I am trying to install the irssi package under squeeze. I have my /etc/apt/sources.list as follows: http://codepad.org/4ddPvDey . I ran sudo aptitude update after editing. Why is it not Able to find the irssi package? I am connected to the net, as you can see since you are reading this. |
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| 05:58.45 | reavengrey | Please ping me if anyone is able to answer. |
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| 06:00.55 | sauvin | How exactly are you trying to install irssi, and what exact result are you getting? |
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| 06:02.03 | Aaron | damn, debian does not like my laptop |
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| 06:03.08 | peterrooney | ,versions irssi |
| 06:03.09 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-4~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.15-5; wheezy: 0.8.15-5 |
| 06:03.18 | reavengrey | Sorry: sudo apt-get install irssi |
| 06:03.22 | reavengrey | Lemme do another paste |
| 06:03.38 | reavengrey | And my source.list has been modified since last post, so I'll give thata s well |
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| 06:05.06 | reavengrey | http://codepad.org/9tjNoOqG |
| 06:05.12 | reavengrey | Cut down to relevant bits |
| 06:05.19 | reavengrey | First section is the sources.list |
| 06:05.20 | Aaron | anyone knows which image should i dowload to install debian success on sony vaio? |
| 06:05.32 | reavengrey | It's actually nothing but the ones that were in the list by default on install |
| 06:05.35 | reavengrey | Uncommented |
| 06:05.45 | reavengrey | and I added "main contrib non-free" to the end |
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| 06:06.04 | reavengrey | I run sudo aptitude update or apt-get update, it updates the db |
| 06:06.09 | reavengrey | ...I still can't get irssi |
| 06:06.39 | reavengrey | and lots of other packages that the wiki documentation seems to be taking for granted as a walk in the park |
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| 06:07.52 | dioz | if i have a machine with 4 nics in it and i connect each one of those nics to a lan |
| 06:07.56 | dioz | the same lan |
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| 06:08.22 | reavengrey | Please ping me with any questions which need to be answered for clarification |
| 06:08.38 | dioz | is there anything special i need to do to the machine? |
| 06:09.03 | peterrooney | reavengrey: the "Etc" you edited is of interest. "apt-cache policy irssi" may reveal something. |
| 06:09.16 | reavengrey | K, lemme get that in ther for you then |
| 06:09.18 | reavengrey | sec |
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| 06:11.17 | reavengrey | http://codepad.org/kAW3Aqru <-- sudo aptitude update |
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| 06:13.10 | reavengrey | apt-cache policy irssi yields: N: Unable to locate package irssi |
| 06:13.31 | reavengrey | In general, is there some operation I shoudl perform after a new installation |
| 06:13.43 | reavengrey | To make debian be able to fetch from online repos? |
| 06:13.48 | dioz | yeah |
| 06:13.52 | dioz | add contrib and non-free |
| 06:13.55 | dioz | to your source.list |
| 06:14.04 | reavengrey | Done :/ |
| 06:14.20 | reavengrey | See the thing is, it fetches from the installation CD ok |
| 06:14.22 | dioz | what mirror are you using? |
| 06:14.38 | reavengrey | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 06:14.51 | reavengrey | Came with the sources.list file |
| 06:15.03 | reavengrey | I added the main contrib and non-free bits |
| 06:15.19 | dioz | is that the only thing in the sources.list? |
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| 06:15.42 | reavengrey | There's a full dump of the list file here: http://codepad.org/9tjNoOqG |
| 06:15.42 | peterrooney | reavengrey: you have no entries for squeeze, only squeeze updates. |
| 06:15.45 | reavengrey | It's really short |
| 06:16.14 | reavengrey | So basically, change squeeze updates |
| 06:16.17 | reavengrey | to squeeze |
| 06:16.21 | reavengrey | K, sec |
| 06:16.29 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:16.52 | reavengrey | k |
| 06:16.56 | dioz | peterrooney: |
| 06:17.05 | dioz | comment out the deb cdrom: section too |
| 06:17.11 | reavengrey | right |
| 06:17.18 | peterrooney | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main non-free contrib |
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| 06:17.43 | Aaron | can someone help me i'm trying to install debian on sony Vaio but the network drivers ain't working. can someone tell me which image to download? |
| 06:18.08 | dioz | Aaron: what nic do you have? |
| 06:18.20 | Aaron | I'm using ath9k drivers, |
| 06:18.25 | Aaron | i just install debian |
| 06:18.27 | Aaron | with a cd |
| 06:18.34 | dioz | wireless or wired? |
| 06:18.38 | Aaron | install the base system but now I'm trying to get the network up and it's not working |
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| 06:18.52 | Aaron | i can see wlan0 but i cannot see the eth0 device |
| 06:18.55 | Aaron | don't know why |
| 06:19.17 | Aaron | but i cannot connect via wireless don't know why |
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| 06:19.36 | dioz | i am going to smoke cigar |
| 06:19.48 | Aaron | I'm trying iwconfig wlan0 essid name and then iwconfig wlan0 key key and then dhchclient wlan0 and i get no reply or ip |
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| 06:22.20 | Aaron | damn no support what's so ever |
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| 06:23.11 | dioz | why does all my arp traffic go out over the same interface |
| 06:23.15 | dioz | i have 4 nics in this machine |
| 06:23.19 | dioz | all in the same lan |
| 06:23.47 | Aaron | dioz don't know, |
| 06:24.00 | dioz | i have a feeling i know |
| 06:24.00 | Aaron | wlan0 and eth0 i believe are the same, |
| 06:24.04 | Aaron | don't know why it's confusing it |
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| 06:24.33 | Aaron | i can see the wlan0 interface, great i can even scan networks but i just cannot connect, to the network don't know why |
| 06:24.43 | reavengrey | Got disconnected a few times, had to reboot router |
| 06:24.59 | Aaron | i haven't used debian, cause of my laptop |
| 06:25.03 | Aaron | it does not like debian |
| 06:25.07 | Aaron | but arch i got it working fully |
| 06:25.10 | reavengrey | I'm running aptitude update now with the new repos (squeeze, as opposed to squeeze updates) |
| 06:25.13 | dioz | Aaron: is it wep or wpa? |
| 06:25.25 | reavengrey | And the update is taking a good bit longer than usaul, so it seems like I'm now getting the "right" repos |
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| 06:25.39 | reavengrey | Thanks a lot peterrooney and dioz |
| 06:25.42 | phreaky | <phreaky> any idea why when i want to chance the char set in LYNX it says that the option is UNMODIFIABLE |
| 06:25.42 | phreaky | <phreaky> i really can't change it and it stays on UTF-8 |
| 06:25.44 | Aaron | wpa i believe |
| 06:26.08 | civillian | !wpasupplicant |
| 06:26.08 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant for Debian systems is in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz to configure (especially "Troubleshooting" for association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time, support is available via unofficial <kmuto> images; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 06:26.23 | dioz | thnx civillian |
| 06:26.27 | civillian | :) |
| 06:26.30 | dioz | saved me typing |
| 06:26.36 | Aaron | hmmm |
| 06:26.47 | Aaron | yeah i follow those instructions |
| 06:26.51 | Aaron | and still no luck |
| 06:26.52 | reavengrey | Yes, I am now able to install git-core and irssi from apt |
| 06:26.56 | Aaron | i wonder why debian does not like sony vaio |
| 06:27.19 | civillian | Aaron: you're trying this at install time? or after install |
| 06:27.28 | Aaron | after install, |
| 06:27.33 | Aaron | i just install the base system |
| 06:27.35 | Aaron | with network tools |
| 06:27.59 | dioz | reavengrey: don't forget screen! |
| 06:28.04 | dioz | can't use irssi without screen ;] |
| 06:28.10 | Aaron | i cannot see the eth0 i can only see wlan0 |
| 06:28.16 | Aaron | and the wlan0 interface does not want to connect |
| 06:28.20 | reavengrey | isn't that advanced with linux command line yet :| |
| 06:28.49 | civillian | Aaron: not seeing eth0 may indicate a firmware that isn't installed |
| 06:29.03 | Aaron | so how can i install the firmware? |
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| 06:29.21 | civillian | Aaron: what chipset is your ethernet adaptor? |
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| 06:30.32 | Aaron | damn u got me there |
| 06:30.43 | civillian | Aaron: sudo lspci | grep -i ethernet |
| 06:31.13 | Aaron | the laptop is processor amd e-450 with Radeon |
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| 06:35.23 | ascii | hello |
| 06:35.34 | ascii | how can I install a deb.run package from debian 6 shell ? |
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| 06:35.56 | Calinou | cd into the directory of that .run |
| 06:35.58 | Calinou | chmod +x file_name |
| 06:36.00 | Calinou | ./file_name |
| 06:36.01 | Aaron | ascii dpkg -i |
| 06:36.07 | Calinou | dpkg -i is for .debs not .runs |
| 06:36.08 | dpkg | package is for .debs not .runs is already installed |
| 06:36.09 | Calinou | <_< |
| 06:36.18 | ascii | yes |
| 06:36.27 | ascii | I had this problem just now, it's not a deb package |
| 06:36.29 | ascii | it says |
| 06:36.58 | ascii | it's a headless box |
| 06:37.07 | Calinou | ^ the above thing I said runs the .run file |
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| 06:37.23 | civillian | Aaron: have you run the command I mentioned? |
| 06:37.36 | ascii | I see it |
| 06:37.41 | Aaron | i can't |
| 06:37.41 | ascii | thanks |
| 06:37.44 | Aaron | because i'm not using debian |
| 06:37.58 | civillian | ? |
| 06:38.26 | Aaron | i'm using windows right now since i can use the network |
| 06:38.32 | Aaron | on debian i'm stock with out network |
| 06:38.40 | dioz | so go into your device manager and check there |
| 06:40.13 | Aaron | it says atheros ar9285 wireless network adapter |
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| 06:41.58 | civillian | Aaron: all I can tell you about that is check http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 06:42.13 | civillian | Aaron: also check your wired ethernet device in device mananger |
| 06:42.18 | Aaron | i did check it out |
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| 06:42.46 | civillian | Aaron: care to inform us of the results? I can guess.... Realtek? |
| 06:43.10 | Aaron | yeah |
| 06:43.11 | Aaron | realtek |
| 06:43.48 | civillian | pa-ching! |
| 06:43.53 | dioz | cheers |
| 06:44.25 | Aaron | ? |
| 06:44.29 | civillian | Aaron: you will need to install the 'firmware-realtek' package... |
| 06:44.38 | civillian | Aaron: probably via USB |
| 06:44.39 | dioz | you'll need to add non-free to your sources.list before that tho |
| 06:44.46 | dioz | oh yah he has no ethernet |
| 06:44.47 | dioz | =x |
| 06:44.50 | dioz | don't mind me! |
| 06:44.51 | civillian | :) |
| 06:44.58 | Aaron | i did |
| 06:45.04 | Aaron | is actually on the cd rom |
| 06:45.09 | Aaron | that i install debian with |
| 06:45.46 | civillian | Aaron: in that case I am out of ideas... Perhaps try the latest wheezy ISO from the daily builds. |
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| 06:46.52 | Aaron | civillian i just hate wasting cds |
| 06:47.36 | civillian | Aaron: we as consumers are forced to generate waste |
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| 06:47.48 | Aaron | civillian this is the iso that i download it firmware-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst |
| 06:47.56 | Chipmonkpyro | anyone have any idea what might cause SSH to be slow to connect and FTP to be slow to respond when connecting to my server? |
| 06:48.20 | civillian | Aaron: that is i386... I'm sure the vaio will run amd64... |
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| 06:48.39 | Aaron | yeah, civillian so which iso do i download? |
| 06:48.41 | Chipmonkpyro | it used to be fast but I think some setting got changed at some point related to nameservers or possibly something else which caused a lot of things to slow down |
| 06:48.42 | rizzle | Chipmonkpyro, haxxors |
| 06:49.13 | civillian | Aaron: I recommend http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b1-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:49.20 | rizzle | yeah, theres no "slow internet" setting in debian that i know of im just a user though |
| 06:49.44 | Aaron | let's hope it works |
| 06:49.55 | civillian | Aaron: I'm off now, good luck |
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| 06:50.13 | Aaron | ty |
| 06:50.20 | civillian | Aaron: no probs :) |
| 06:50.51 | Chipmonkpyro | the thing is once you're connected its very fast, i think the issue comes when the server's address is being resolved because something is improperly set related to dns or nameservers |
| 06:51.53 | Chipmonkpyro | are there any commands I could run that would help give an indicator that somethings wrong with the internet settings on it? |
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| 06:52.44 | dioz | Chipmonkpyro: ip ad list |
| 06:52.50 | bluesceada | hey is there some howto to update from debian i386 to amd64 ? |
| 06:53.01 | bluesceada | (using testing of course..) |
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| 06:53.33 | dioz | Chipmonkpyro: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 07:04.44 | Chipmonkpyro | dioz: yes it was resolv.conf |
| 07:04.50 | Chipmonkpyro | dioz: Thanks so much! |
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| 07:05.40 | dioz | np |
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| 07:14.27 | Aaron | damn i hope it works now, |
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| 07:20.33 | jargon- | i'm having difficulties building chromium from testing for stable: http://dpaste.com/785520/ |
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| 07:20.37 | brontosaurusrex | any alternative drivers for this gpu http://pastie.org/4464987 ? (video is tearing) |
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| 07:21.07 | jargon- | sorry,need to correct that |
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| 07:21.32 | jargon- | i'm having difficulties building chromium from sid for stable: http://dpaste.com/785520/ here's my sources.list: http://dpaste.com/785521/ |
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| 07:23.32 | babilen | jargon-: You have to backport *all* unmet build-dependencies (in particular those listed in "/msg judd checkbackport chromium") first and install them. You furthermore have to adapt the packaging to use gcc-4.4 (as backporting 4.6 is probably a PITA). No idea how easy it is to do that and you might want to consider an alternative (e.g. different browser, tracking testing, ...) - Good luck! |
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| 07:24.39 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: Which release are you tracking? |
| 07:24.54 | brontosaurusrex | babilen, wheezy |
| 07:25.27 | babilen | jargon-: Oh, and you naturally have to install the other build-dependencies as well (I mean those that are available) -- See "/msg dpkg ssb" for details. |
| 07:26.06 | jargon- | babilen: i was afraid it would overall be a pita. wow. :-( |
| 07:26.59 | babilen | brontosaurusrex: Can't think of a different driver in that case. I am using the same GPU and have no problems with video (assuming it is a HD3000) tearing. I'll be back later though ... A more detailed error description (e.g. tearing when doing what?) would also be advisable. |
| 07:27.08 | babilen | have fun |
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| 07:27.59 | brontosaurusrex | tearing when playing video files, mostly visible on pans, but also otherwise, player doesnt matter, vlc, mplayer, same thing |
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| 07:29.33 | ratatata | nu |
| 07:29.33 | Iridos | jargon-, well, or use googles chrome builds... or stick with the squeeze version |
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| 07:32.14 | amcsi_work | hello |
| 07:32.43 | amcsi_work | does anyone know what I have to write into sources.list to be able to do apt-get source vim on squeeze? |
| 07:34.06 | amcsi_work | !tell amcsi_work about uupdate |
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| 07:36.58 | nevyn | adeb-src line |
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| 07:37.18 | nevyn | !deb-src |
| 07:37.19 | dpkg | 'deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ [squeeze|wheezy|sid] main contrib non-free' (for example), replace with your own for a local mirror. Ask me about <source> for some information about how to build stuff, make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and the libc6-dev packages installed. |
| 07:37.33 | MRM-MLM | hi all good people |
| 07:37.34 | Iridos | judd, versions vim |
| 07:37.35 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.547-4; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-4 |
| 07:38.55 | Iridos | ops, didn't see the "source" bit in his question at first |
| 07:40.23 | MRM-MLM | hi all |
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| 07:42.02 | jargon- | Iridos: the chrome builds are more intrusive,i'm told. |
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| 07:43.00 | Iridos | jargon-, I dunno about that. Anyway, nobody said it was a perfect solution... just maybe better than backporting stuff for 2 days |
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| 07:45.30 | jargon- | Iridos: true |
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| 07:46.18 | jargon- | upgrading from squeeze to wheezy. that's s/squeeze/wheezy/g in /etc/apt/sources.list, aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade? |
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| 07:51.45 | wolfiR | hi, I'm trying to install Squeeze on an openSUSE 11.4 Xen host but up to now unsuccessful. It seems that disk detection fails. Is there any experience with that? |
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| 07:52.19 | amcsi_work | I built vim 7.3, and it is in /usr/local/bin/vim, but when I type vim, the 7.2 version launches. How do I fix this? |
| 07:52.22 | Posterdati | ihi |
| 07:53.16 | Posterdati | I've got a problem with vice on amd64 (wheezy). I tried to build it with apt-build, but I've got this: dh_clean |
| 07:53.19 | Posterdati | Error while building vice! |
| 07:53.19 | Posterdati | Sorry, no package to install. |
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| 07:55.53 | syssi | amcsi_work: just check your PATH (echo $PATH) |
| 07:56.26 | arietis | how come i have no package updates? :S |
| 07:56.39 | syssi | amcsi_work: the order is important. if /usr/bin is picked up before /usr/local/bin you get your old install. |
| 07:56.57 | amcsi_work | so do I just delete them? |
| 07:57.06 | arietis | i check for updates everyday and it never happened before |
| 07:57.42 | amcsi_work | in /usr/bin |
| 07:57.47 | syssi | amcsi_work: depends. you can interchange the order but normally /usr/local/bin should be in the front. |
| 07:58.06 | amcsi_work | hmm, it does come first |
| 07:58.37 | syssi | amcsi_work: okay. than check "ls -l /usr/bin/vim" |
| 07:58.46 | syssi | amcsi_work: its an alternative link? |
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| 07:59.07 | amcsi_work | /usr/bin/vim -> /etc/alternatives/vim |
| 07:59.17 | amcsi_work | I guess that's a yes |
| 07:59.17 | syssi | amcsi_work: update-alternatives --list vim |
| 07:59.29 | syssi | amcsi_work: is you self compiled version listed? |
| 07:59.34 | amcsi_work | /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 07:59.50 | amcsi_work | that's all it says, so no |
| 07:59.59 | syssi | amcsi_work: dpkg -S /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 08:00.15 | amcsi_work | vim-gnome: /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 08:00.21 | syssi | amcsi_work: do you still need the gnome-vim? (just remove: apt-get remove) |
| 08:00.35 | amcsi_work | nah |
| 08:00.41 | syssi | amcsi_work: alternative: you can update the symlink of /etc/alternative/vim to /usr/local/bib/vim |
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| 08:01.43 | amcsi_work | I removed gnome-vim. Now typing vim results in: bash: /usr/bin/vim: No such file or directory |
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| 08:04.01 | amcsi_work | I don't get this. /usr/local/bin/vim should come first, but bash says vim doesn'T exist |
| 08:04.31 | Jacob__ | Maybe you did not install vim? |
| 08:04.42 | jelly-home | amcsi_work: hash -r |
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| 08:04.58 | amcsi_work | did nothing |
| 08:05.04 | amcsi_work | no w8, it worked |
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| 08:06.13 | jelly-home | "help hash" to see what you've done. Your shell keeps track of commands it ran in the past because looking them up in each PATH member can be expensive |
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| 08:07.43 | amcsi_work | ah, thx! |
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| 08:08.30 | Mohsen_Hassani | My laptop sound works fine, but gnome sound icon is dimmed. |
| 08:08.41 | Mohsen_Hassani | And I can't control the volum |
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| 08:15.56 | gnarface | so, knoppix has this feature that you can use to have it persist stuff like desktop settings between reboots, by saving them to the boot medium (requires it to be USB flash obviously)... does the debian livecd have such a feature? (yes, i know it would ruin most the point) |
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| 08:21.15 | bathman | i'm trying to bring a debian server back to live, i think lenny - on vmware esxi 4 |
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| 08:21.47 | bathman | people over there moved everything one floor down, and everything seems to be working properly (hardware, networking, .. ) |
| 08:22.08 | Aaron | hey i just install debian, but there's one little problem when it boots, it boots fine, but after a few seconds, the screen goes, gray and i can't see nothing how can i fix this issue? |
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| 08:22.12 | bathman | but the debian server gives me "ntpdlockfile creation failed" |
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| 08:23.04 | inode0MS | I need to package a 32bit binary for an amd64 platform. How can I do this? In debian/control I already set Architecture: all |
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| 08:24.36 | Aaron | inode0MS man dpkg try looking for something like --force-architecture |
| 08:24.38 | Aaron | or something like that |
| 08:25.43 | inode0MS | I do not mean the installation but the packaging |
| 08:25.44 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Aaron about kms |
| 08:25.53 | Iridos | try the nomodeset thingy |
| 08:25.58 | Aaron | Iridos huh? |
| 08:26.18 | inode0MS | I have to create a .deb for amd64 but I do only have a 32bit binary |
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| 08:26.45 | Aaron | ok |
| 08:26.47 | Aaron | let's try |
| 08:26.51 | Aaron | ty Iridos |
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| 08:30.24 | Aaron | Iridos i just did what you told me but no luck |
| 08:30.28 | Aaron | any other ideas? |
| 08:31.11 | ksuhku | Aaron, cat /proc/cmdline |
| 08:31.36 | Aaron | ksuhku i cannot see anything all i see it's a grey screen and some crappy graphic card, |
| 08:31.40 | Aaron | and i cannot see nothing |
| 08:33.01 | Aaron | damn |
| 08:33.25 | Iridos | aar... gorn again |
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| 08:37.24 | Iridos | inode0MS, look at ia32libs ... and for an example, look for packages that depend on ia32libs (apt-cache rdepends ia32libs) I'm not on debian right now, so dunno what that produces |
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| 08:38.38 | Iridos | inode0MS, actually... I assume this was for squeeze, as you didn't go to the irc channel for testing... nonetheless |
| 08:38.43 | Iridos | dpkg, tell inode0MS about multiarch |
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| 08:41.33 | Aaron | damn |
| 08:41.52 | Aaron | how come when i boot up debian i get a black screen and i wait and nothing happens the graphics are messed up |
| 08:43.33 | amcsi_work | how do I install the gtk2 dev packages? |
| 08:43.41 | amcsi_work | for comppiling for gtp |
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| 08:43.44 | amcsi_work | gtk* |
| 08:43.53 | Aaron | amcsi_work apt-cache search gtk2 |
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| 08:45.09 | Aaron | any help? |
| 08:45.41 | amcsi_work | I dunno, it's still not obvious to me :/ I already installed libgtk2.0-dev, but vim still says that gtk isn't present for compiling |
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| 08:46.02 | Aaron | !tell amcsi_work about gtk2 |
| 08:46.34 | bathman | "ntpdlockfile creation failed" seems to mess up networking here, any ideas? |
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| 08:48.51 | amcsi_work | ah, there is no X installed |
| 08:49.02 | amcsi_work | might that be a problem? |
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| 08:49.40 | ksuhku | Aaron, one thing that could help is to make a xorg.conf and tell it to use the vesa driver |
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| 08:51.17 | Iridos | ksuhku, he's gorn again |
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| 08:51.30 | Iridos | makes it kinda pointless to say something, actually |
| 08:51.38 | ksuhku | damn, so it seems |
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| 08:55.15 | Aaron | damn how come i'm getting a black screen on debian when i boot and i cannot see anything |
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| 08:55.30 | ksuhku | Aaron, one thing that could help is to make a xorg.conf and tell it to use the vesa driver |
| 08:55.46 | Aaron | ksuhku i can't see anything |
| 08:55.55 | Aaron | when it boots it boots to a black screen and i cannot see nothing |
| 08:55.58 | Aaron | it's very crappy |
| 08:56.04 | ksuhku | Aaron, use a livecd or liveusb do edit |
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| 08:56.17 | Aaron | what do you mean use a livecd? |
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| 08:56.25 | ksuhku | boot from a cd that can do it |
| 08:56.32 | Aaron | ?? |
| 08:56.46 | Aaron | explain |
| 08:56.54 | ksuhku | !livecd |
| 08:56.55 | dpkg | A "live CD" (or live system) is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue CD or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian has its own Live CD (http://live.debian.net/), ask me about <debian live>. http://www.livecdlist.com/ |
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| 08:57.00 | _droid | hi people, i want to files in a directory for a specific expression. how can i do that? |
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| 08:57.19 | _droid | the directory has also subfolders that needed to be searched also |
| 08:58.12 | _droid | can someone help |
| 08:58.14 | ksuhku | droid, man grep |
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| 08:58.40 | _droid | ksuhku: :) |
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| 09:02.31 | mjt | after some software update/change, terminal beep in my desktop stopped beeping. Eg, echo -e '\a' produces nothing. xset q shows bell is enabled. Where to look at? |
| 09:03.31 | mjt | window manager notices the window which "beeped" (silently) and flashes its title. but no audio beep is heard. |
| 09:03.37 | _droid | ksuhku: i would be greatful if u could just give me the answer |
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| 09:04.45 | ksuhku | _droid, well grep expr path -r |
| 09:05.10 | ksuhku | expr is what your looking for and path is the root of whatever tree you want |
| 09:05.22 | _droid | thank u |
| 09:05.50 | Iridos | you want to files? |
| 09:06.43 | ksuhku | loves manual pages |
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| 09:07.02 | Iridos | loves sentences that make actual sense |
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| 09:08.46 | Iridos | mjt, try on the console... I think terminals can suppress beep as well (?), but what first comes to mind is "modprobe pcspeaker", also unmute it with alsamixer (-c 1 or something) |
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| 09:09.13 | mjt | Iridos: it works on the console |
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| 09:09.27 | Iridos | then it's not that |
| 09:09.49 | mjt | CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=y |
| 09:09.51 | mjt | CONFIG_PCSPKR_PLATFORM=y |
| 09:09.52 | Iridos | not sure then... look in gnome settings |
| 09:09.58 | mjt | i don't use gnome |
| 09:10.02 | mjt | it is xfce |
| 09:10.15 | Iridos | but if it works in the console, it's not the kernel module |
| 09:10.20 | mjt | and it has nothing to do with alsa -- it worked way before alsa has been installed. |
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| 09:10.59 | mjt | unless this beep is now routed over to alsa, which'd be rather stupid thing to do |
| 09:11.06 | mjt | but i don't know even how to verify this |
| 09:11.36 | ycat | Hello! I was wondering where I can find a detailed docu on find in findutils. My problem is that I cannot find any infos on the available regextype modes... Any hint? |
| 09:12.11 | mjt | ycat: man 7 regex ? |
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| 09:12.57 | mjt | ycat: this is the same regex used by sed/grep/less/... - lots of software. it is defined by POSIX. |
| 09:13.29 | ycat | mjt: I got that. But somehow find supports -regextype, and it seems not to be documented |
| 09:13.51 | ycat | mjt: thanks for clarification |
| 09:14.05 | joltcan | Currently-implemented types are emacs (this is the default), posix-awk, posix-basic, posix- |
| 09:14.08 | joltcan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.11 | mjt | well. that's variations of regex types, indeed |
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| 09:14.23 | joltcan | So I guess you could google/manread those |
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| 09:14.26 | mjt | posix defines 2 major types -- basic and extended |
| 09:14.49 | raidghost | Why is broadcom chipset very often not supported in debian? |
| 09:14.50 | ycat | joltcan: Thanks a lot! |
| 09:14.55 | mjt | the rest are variations on extended i guess. And yes, the difference should be easily findable by google. |
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| 09:15.07 | mjt | raidghost: not supported? |
| 09:15.09 | joltcan | ycat: that was from "man find" btw... |
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| 09:15.30 | raidghost | mjt: ive got a Gbit card that wont work other than 10/100 |
| 09:15.37 | usman | Hi, how i can search for a package which is already installed on the machine, I actually want to know its path e.g. /usr/lib/package.name.xxxxxx |
| 09:15.41 | mjt | Works For Me (tm) |
| 09:15.52 | raidghost | Its connected to a Gbit switch with cat6 |
| 09:16.04 | mjt | usman: dpkg -S |
| 09:16.10 | ksuhku | raidghost, used ethtool on it? |
| 09:16.17 | raidghost | it shows only 10/100 |
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| 09:16.31 | raidghost | did try to download the latest kernel drivers, but all it did was 10/100 |
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| 09:16.44 | ycat | joltcan: man find in German was pretty short... Thanks |
| 09:16.45 | mjt | well, raidghost said it is unsupported, so here he goes. |
| 09:16.48 | raidghost | And the card is not possible to use for inet or clients. |
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| 09:17.18 | raidghost | it shows duplex but no traffic inn/out |
| 09:17.22 | ksuhku | raidghost, perhaps the required driver is not included in the default kernels? |
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| 09:17.40 | raidghost | ksuhku: i tried to build a new kernel from the latest firmware that was released by broadcom |
| 09:17.53 | mjt | it is firmware most likely, not driver (or else it'd not work at all) |
| 09:17.55 | raidghost | dont renember the name of the kernel module at the moment. |
| 09:18.05 | mjt | but raidghost knows better for sure |
| 09:18.23 | mjt | so.. anyone know where to look at the beep issue? |
| 09:18.47 | ksuhku | mjt, silly suggestion but are you sure your terminal is not suppressing it? |
| 09:18.54 | mjt | ksuhku: how to verify? |
| 09:19.05 | ksuhku | which terminal? |
| 09:19.16 | mjt | roxterm, gnome-terminal, xterm |
| 09:19.33 | mjt | they all worked about a month ago |
| 09:19.35 | raidghost | ksuhku: what module is mostly used on broadcom chipset? |
| 09:20.01 | ksuhku | mjt, if they all stopped working then it indeed is likely something else |
| 09:20.11 | mjt | it is definitely something else :) |
| 09:20.30 | mjt | i found a setting in gnome-terminal - "disable bell" - it is unchecked. |
| 09:21.01 | mjt | rxvt too does not produce bell |
| 09:21.05 | raidghost | Debian is way more easy to understand than freebsd. been trying alot of diff distro and figured out that debian is userfriendly;) |
| 09:21.10 | ksuhku | raidghost, I don't know, my broadcom wifi is using b43-pci-bridge |
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| 09:22.24 | mz|` | set b on/off ? |
| 09:22.31 | raidghost | b as broadcast? |
| 09:22.49 | mjt | mz|`: you mean xset? It's enabled, I mentioned it in my initial question. |
| 09:22.58 | ksuhku | b as in bell |
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| 09:23.19 | raidghost | mjt and ksuhku, Thanks for advices ;) |
| 09:23.45 | mjt | raidghost: my biggest suggestion to you is to stop shooting "why it is so bad" and start asking questions ;) |
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| 09:24.31 | raidghost | mjt: i take your point;) |
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| 09:24.41 | mjt | raidghost: now without a bit more details (at least the driver name) it is difficult to say, but most likely you need to install the (non-free) firmware. |
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| 09:25.33 | raidghost | mjt: gonna come up with more info after some work duty, the horses need food;) |
| 09:25.34 | mjt | firmware-bnx2 - Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII |
| 09:25.34 | mjt | firmware-bnx2x - Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtreme II 10Gb |
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| 09:26.36 | kroosec | Hi, does anyone know of any services that use DTLS (Datagram TLS) ? |
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| 09:28.40 | KatsumeBlisk | What's the command to find your LAN IP on Wheezy? |
| 09:29.13 | mjt | ip a -- will show all ip addresses |
| 09:29.34 | mjt | (or ip addr) |
| 09:29.38 | KatsumeBlisk | Thanks |
| 09:29.55 | KatsumeBlisk | It used to be another command and it changed |
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| 09:30.24 | hke | KatsumeBlisk: ip a |
| 09:30.32 | mjt | it was ifconfig |
| 09:30.36 | mjt | it is still available |
| 09:31.06 | raidghost | mjt: A way to list active dhcp releases, (like a web interface) where its possible to disconnect a release. Does debian have that included in the system? |
| 09:31.32 | mjt | active dhcp releases? |
| 09:31.43 | mjt | i guess you're talking about network manager |
| 09:31.53 | raidghost | mjt: Like everyone that got dhcp |
| 09:32.03 | raidghost | not arp -a |
| 09:32.30 | raidghost | something like phpdhcpd |
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| 09:34.10 | usman | can i ask question here regarding general information about load balancing |
| 09:34.16 | usman | ? |
| 09:34.40 | raidghost | usman: was thinking aboute the same. so we can learn aboute it;) |
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| 09:37.54 | usman | ok. i have at the moment a 3node mysql cluster based on Master Master Synchronous replication (using MySQL Galera), NOW i want to have a load balancer above the cluster so that it can seamlessly control the nodes if they down for any reason, As i am googling i see examples that no. of lb = no. of nodes, If i introduce only 2 LB for 3 nodes, will it work |
| 09:38.10 | usman | i am not v.sure as this is really first time for me to do load balancing |
| 09:38.50 | nkuttler | usman: you probably want #mysql |
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| 09:44.19 | Mohsen_Hassani | gdm3 volum controller icon is greyed out but the sound card of my Laptop is working fine. |
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| 09:44.37 | Mohsen_Hassani | How can I enable the gdm3 volum controller? |
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| 09:48.18 | linuxuz3r | how do i put iso to flash in debian |
| 09:48.26 | jeredepp | hello everyone, how can i measure the time a file has to move from one location to another, i did touch start && mv file target/directory && touch end. But that's not accurate enough |
| 09:48.32 | kroosec | Hi, anyone knows of services that use Openssl for dtls support ? |
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| 09:49.36 | linuxuz3r | hi |
| 09:49.48 | linuxuz3r | how do i put debian iso to usb |
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| 09:50.33 | metamurks | linuxuz3r, dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdx (depends on your stick) |
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| 09:51.31 | jeredepp | problem solved - date +%s > file.start && mv file target && date +%s > file.end |
| 09:51.34 | linuxuz3r | is it hard to maintain debian |
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| 09:52.12 | babilen | metamurks, linuxuz3r: I would just use either cat or cp for that. (cf. "/msg dpkg usb install") Wll, you could also use a larger blocksize with dd (e.g. "bs=1M"), but why not use a program that finds a good blocksize automagically? (like cp/cat) Don't forget to run "sync" afterwards as well. |
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| 09:53.30 | linuxuz3r | cp or cpio? |
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| 09:55.00 | Mohsen_Hassani | jeredepp, for me it created two file.start and end and there is two identical numbers in the files. What's going on? |
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| 09:57.16 | babilen | linuxuz3r: cp (I would have said cpio if I meant that) -- But just read the part of the installation guide linked from "/msg dpkg usb install". It essentially boils down to "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" though (with /dev/sdX being your USB stick's block device) if you don't want to do anything fancy. |
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| 09:58.06 | jeredepp | Mohsen_Hassani: let me try it out with some other cases and maybe i can naswer |
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| 10:01.18 | jeredepp | if the files allready existed it should work |
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| 10:03.06 | BonacciAhUm | hello, I'm trying to install debian kfreebsd. But installation is unable to create the UFS partition... What could be the problem? |
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| 10:15.19 | nkuttler | BonacciAhUm: try the oftc channel |
| 10:15.22 | nkuttler | !tell BonacciAhUm about kfreebsd |
| 10:16.30 | Solak | hmm, doesn't debian include LibreOffice? |
| 10:16.42 | BonacciAhUm | thanks nkuttler |
| 10:17.49 | nkuttler | Solak: it's not in stable yet |
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| 10:21.55 | Solak | nkuttler: ah, ok. It is in 'testing' though? Or should I install 'unstable'? |
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| 10:22.07 | Calinou | it is in testing |
| 10:22.17 | Solak | thanks. |
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| 10:24.14 | myp939_ | I recently hosted a server with /64 ipv6 addresses. I thought it would be normal to use this for virtualisation, but it seems that there aren't any free control panels for openvz that support ipv6? Anyone knows how I can host multiple vpses on this machine? |
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| 10:25.32 | myp939_ | nobody? |
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| 10:26.46 | ksk | "aren't any free control panels for openvz that support ipv6" vs "how I can host multiple vpses on this machine" |
| 10:27.18 | ksk | you just can do. if theres no free web-foo(which i do hate) for openvz which has v6 support there is none.. |
| 10:27.58 | myp939_ | How would you host it? If you don't use webbases cps for it |
| 10:28.27 | ksk | using the shell :> but i do understand that this may not be suitable if you have many machines and/or customers |
| 10:28.42 | ksk | but in this case you better use parallels-virtuoso anyways |
| 10:28.46 | skilz | What does this mean? HorizSync 31-85 ??? |
| 10:28.58 | skilz | I have a 13" 16:10 monitor |
| 10:29.13 | skilz | I need to display 1280x800 |
| 10:29.38 | skilz | But with that HorizSync it displays 1792x1344 |
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| 10:29.53 | ksk | myp939_: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3497 -- may this be relevant? googles your friend :> |
| 10:31.28 | myp939_ | ksk: Thanks :) I am also hosting at OVH, so I think he has purchased the same machine as me |
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| 10:32.40 | Elango | #bible |
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| 10:39.36 | ksk | hi |
| 10:39.54 | ksk | is it possible to use logrotate to rotate a logfile from one location to another? how? |
| 10:40.15 | linuxuz3r | how do i install gnome3 |
| 10:40.20 | linuxuz3r | gnomeshell? |
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| 10:40.46 | fahi | I'm trying to install an i386 package on wheezy amd64 and it will remove a lot of packages for no apparant reason: http://pastebin.com/kT3AhRR9 this package is needed by libasound2-plugins:i386 which I wish to install. Any ideas? |
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| 10:41.53 | jeredepp | Mohsen_Hassani: Did it work out for you? |
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| 10:42.16 | ChrisH | usman: you wrote MySQL Cluster and Master-Master at the same time. Cluster or Replication? For Cluster (ndbd) the clients need to know all nodes and handle the failover themself. There is no single IP access known to me. But from my experience this client-failover is working very well. |
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| 10:47.36 | linuxuz3r | how do i install gnome3 |
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| 10:47.49 | linuxuz3r | gnomeshell? |
| 10:49.02 | maher | i have a perl script in cron.daily - but it doesn't seem to run - how can i run it in the exact environment that cron runs it? |
| 10:49.52 | berarma | linuxuz3r: which Debian version are you on? |
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| 10:50.46 | usman | ChrisH: actually it is a 3 node cluster and every node is working as a MASTER i.e. no concept of slave. |
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| 10:51.37 | usman | ChrisH: so this purpose i want to have a load balancer, I hope i got you question correctly. |
| 10:52.04 | linuxuz3r | 6 |
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| 10:54.20 | ChrisH | usman: What engine are you running? NBDCluster? I assume not. |
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| 10:55.20 | gedO | Guys, please help witj bind |
| 10:55.36 | ChrisH | usman: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/faqs-mysql-cluster.html#qandaitem-B-10-1-4 |
| 10:55.39 | gedO | In my network noone can't access web pages |
| 10:55.47 | gedO | bind is doing something |
| 10:56.04 | gedO | and I can't find what is wrond. How to start searching? |
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| 10:56.23 | nkuttler | Solak: libreoffice is also in backports |
| 10:56.43 | ChrisH | gedO: named logs? What is it doing? did you restart bind? |
| 10:57.02 | gedO | ChrisH, I havn't. Where I can find logs? |
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| 10:57.30 | gedO | can't open web pages, but programs oper IP, note domaisn is working |
| 10:57.52 | ChrisH | gedO: My logs are in /var/log/daemon.log |
| 10:58.03 | Losowski | The libreoffice 3.6 .deb files from their website are working beautifully |
| 10:58.57 | kongstad1 | Hi all, I would like let you know, that Evolution has been released in version 3.4.4. It contains an important fix to have migration from mbox to maildir working. Will this be pulled into Wheeze or? |
| 11:00.29 | berarma | linuxuz3r: you should upgrade to wheezy |
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| 11:03.43 | thewanderer1 | kongstad1: go to bugs.debian.org, report this as a bug in evolution, see if it gets flagged as rc |
| 11:04.09 | usman | ChrisH: well i am using innodb only and not using NBDCluster, I am using Galera Cluster |
| 11:04.56 | gedO | ChrisH, I found probelm. I restarted squid and problem is gone |
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| 11:13.38 | boudiccas | is wheezy stable enough for everyday use yet, or is it best to stay with stable? |
| 11:14.07 | ChrisH | boudiccas: Desktop or server? |
| 11:14.13 | boudiccas | desktop |
| 11:14.43 | jelly | boudiccas: you already know the answer. If it were stable, it would be released. |
| 11:15.09 | boudiccas | fair enough, i'll hold fire for the present then. thanks |
| 11:15.22 | ChrisH | I use testing (and sometimes unstable) on my desktops and feel it's stable enough for me. But its your decision. |
| 11:15.43 | ChrisH | With testing you can work active to make it stable by testing the SW :) |
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| 11:18.00 | jelly | I've just made my home desktop unbootable with latest wheezy updates. Something made it forgot to use the correct order for bringing up lvm and crypto |
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| 11:18.34 | jelly | if one can deal with breakage on their own, it's usable, sure |
| 11:19.34 | ChrisH | jelly: as said... it his decision and did you report this issue to prevent other running into the same? |
| 11:20.34 | jelly | yes, and not yet |
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| 11:21.45 | ChrisH | jelly: how did you fix it? I did the last updates end of last week. Similar setup disk -> crypto -> LVM. |
| 11:21.56 | babilen | jelly: Could it be http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673573 ? (The only recent problem that I am aware of that sounds vaguely related) |
| 11:22.04 | babilen | ChrisH: ^^^ |
| 11:22.17 | jelly | ChrisH: did not, booted the old kernel |
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| 11:22.46 | jelly | babilen: I don't have time to look it up right now |
| 11:22.59 | babilen | I have LVM on top of LUKS and have no problems whatsoever (sid) -- I wonder why I am not seeing those issues. |
| 11:23.09 | babilen | jelly: That's fine -- Just thought I'd mention it. |
| 11:23.11 | boudiccas | how do you boot from the old kernel please? i've only ever seen the one kernel when i've booted, should grub provide a list of available kernels? |
| 11:23.35 | jelly | grub shows a menu at boot time |
| 11:24.04 | boudiccas | oh! i've never seen one |
| 11:24.05 | jelly | but! you can only have one kernel with the same ABI installed at a time (from debian) |
| 11:24.07 | babilen | boudiccas: Yes it should list all available kernels and other operating systems at boot time. In particular it should *at least* show one kernel + rescue system entries. (If you didn't disable that explicitly) |
| 11:24.38 | boudiccas | afaik i haven't disabled it, but i dont see any menu |
| 11:25.13 | jelly | what _do_ you see after POST and before the kernel takes over? |
| 11:25.33 | boudiccas | no other operating systems on this machine, but no menu shown. odd |
| 11:25.36 | Solak | nkuttler: ah, thanks! Do you know if claws-mail is in backports? |
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| 11:25.51 | boudiccas | jelly; just a black screen |
| 11:26.31 | jelly | boudiccas: might want to uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub and run update-grub |
| 11:26.57 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
| 11:27.10 | jelly | graphical mode for grub by default doesn't seem like the greatest idea ever |
| 11:28.38 | ChrisH | jelly: nice wording |
| 11:29.11 | jelly | thanks. I'm trying to use less sarcasm. |
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| 11:30.02 | holms | hello maybe somebody known what's going on? Aug 13 15:20:24 hlnlcolo07 sm-mta[3676]: q7DDKO8G003676: SYSERR(root): collect: Cannot write ./dfq7DDKO8G003676 (sm_io_flush||sm_io_error, uid=0, gid=112): Input/output error |
| 11:30.29 | ChrisH | holms: Disk failure? wrong permissions? |
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| 11:32.02 | nsadmin | collect is part of the gnu linker. were you trying to compile something? |
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| 11:32.18 | Solak | nkuttler: I'm using KUbuntu which has 3.8.0, and stable has 3.7.6... testing though seems to have 3.8.1... |
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| 11:33.51 | ChrisH | nsadmin: its sendmail sm-mta no gcc |
| 11:34.07 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 11:34.41 | otkrick | Hello, world !!! |
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| 11:35.53 | ChrisH | holms: check grep O8G003676 sendmail's logfile |
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| 11:38.24 | gnarface | is it true that theora looks better at lower resolutions than h264 |
| 11:38.26 | gnarface | ? |
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| 11:40.22 | Trewas | gnarface: very unlikely |
| 11:41.49 | gnarface | Trewas: talking like webcam resolutions here, stuff below 640x480 |
| 11:42.11 | boudiccas | ok, going to reboot to see the new grub menu |
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| 11:42.55 | Trewas | gnarface: I don't see why h264 would be any worse with small resolutions than with high resolutions |
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| 11:43.30 | gnarface | well wasn't it designed primarily for HD 1080p video? |
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| 11:44.33 | hanibana | I'm running a Debian Etch DomU with 2.6.32 kernel (which is for squeeze). Can this cause issues?! |
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| 11:45.51 | gnarface | !etch |
| 11:45.51 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 11:45.53 | mjt | generally kernel is quite good at backwards compatibility |
| 11:46.05 | themill | except for udev |
| 11:46.18 | mjt | well, yes, except of a few specific interfaces |
| 11:46.23 | mjt | it isn't only udev |
| 11:46.24 | Trewas | gnarface: it was designed for all kinds of video streams, but there are different profiles for hardware with different capabilities and maybe some of them misses so many features that it is actually worse than theora |
| 11:46.49 | mjt | heh. upgrading to lenny isn't an option anymore since lenny has been also removed from the mirrors |
| 11:47.12 | mjt | so upgrading an etch machine can be quite, well, funny. |
| 11:47.28 | gnarface | !etch->squeeze |
| 11:47.36 | gnarface | nope |
| 11:47.42 | mjt | inter-release upgrades are not supported |
| 11:47.43 | jeredepp | ksk: logrotate is build for this http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/logrotate8.html |
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| 11:48.16 | jeredepp | ksk: discard my message my windows was hanging |
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| 11:48.27 | maher | mjt: its still available from somewhere... |
| 11:48.43 | mjt | sure it is, but that'd be.. some fun, as i said |
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| 11:50.16 | themill | you can still do etch->lenny using archive.debian.org |
| 11:50.16 | nsadmin | you can't go more than one at a time |
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| 11:55.20 | gnarface | well, you CAN do more than one at a time, but it will irreversibly break shit |
| 11:55.28 | gnarface | sometimes quietly |
| 11:55.50 | gnarface | i just figured the bot might actually be smart enough to know that |
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| 11:56.11 | jelly | gnarface: you can do all sorts of stuff with software, just don't expect support |
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| 11:56.22 | jelly | either free or paid kind |
| 11:56.38 | Calinou | whoever pays for support |
| 11:57.09 | ChrisH | jelly: paid support is even more strict there. |
| 11:57.19 | stealthii | red hat figs |
| 11:57.31 | stealthii | funilly enough, who don't support major release upgrades... |
| 11:57.52 | themill | gnarface: actually, dpkg does have a factoid for that... but ! and -> don't play together for some very strange perlish-infobot-I-really-don't-want-to-go-there reason |
| 11:57.54 | ChrisH | Calinou: Paying for support does make sense. |
| 11:58.07 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.10 | boudiccas | well i saw no difference in the new grub menu, but then i only have one kernel to boot from |
| 11:58.27 | peanut__ | I've got some strace output and a vacation. It looks like libncurses gets opened, then 512 bytes are read, and THEN gets fstat'ed. does anyone know why it gets read before being fstat'ed? |
| 11:58.58 | jeredepp | Calinou: let's see what you say if you work in said support and get a shitty payment |
| 11:59.19 | Calinou | I wouldn't work for paid support - noone would ask for it; we have forums, IRC and mailing lists for a reason |
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| 12:00.07 | ChrisH | Calinou: thats not sufficient it you are a company running systems to earn money. |
| 12:00.15 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 12:00.25 | Calinou | is banned from #debian-offtopic |
| 12:00.27 | Calinou | try harder |
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| 12:00.38 | themill | ok |
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| 12:01.33 | peanut__ | I'm having a hard time understanding why it would read first. some shared library thing? |
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| 12:09.20 | peanut__ | It seems like the pattern of opening a shared library, reading 512 bytes, and statting it is common |
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| 12:14.02 | nsadmin | programs can open shared libs themselves, but that's unusual... normally ld.so does it |
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| 12:15.14 | KsM | Hm |
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| 12:15.40 | KsM | I've got wheezy and xfce4-power-manager seems to have a bug |
| 12:16.13 | KsM | When I disconnect the charger from my laptop it still reads as being connected. |
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| 12:16.57 | KsM | When I check with acpi -b though, it reads as discharging, so I'm pretty sure it's just with xfce4-power-manager |
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| 12:19.07 | peanut__ | nsadmin: all i'm doing is strace a bash script with a single sed line in it. i want to understand strace and program execution a little better, but this open,read,stat pattern is confusing |
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| 12:21.05 | ChrisH | peanut__: strace'ing shells is ugly and most times not helpfull. Can you reproduce it by strace'ing the sed only? |
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| 12:23.34 | peanut__ | ChrisH: ah, thanks for the tip. I just ran it on sed alone. the pattern appears again for libc: http://paste.debian.net/183365/ |
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| 12:25.14 | ChrisH | peanut__: can you show the full strace command too? |
| 12:25.29 | nsadmin | peanut__, one thing that could help is to look at the source of the thing you're stracing |
| 12:25.35 | peanut__ | strace -xTtv -s 300 -f sed 's/lo//' <<< "Hello world" 2>&1 1>/dev/null | less |
| 12:26.11 | nsadmin | another might be to get a sed compiled with -g and run it under something like ddd |
| 12:26.35 | peanut__ | nsadmin: this looks like it pops up before sed comes in and does anything. just curious if it's a common pattern (open, read, stat), or if something in those first 512 bytes matters |
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| 12:27.00 | nsadmin | what's it opening? |
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| 12:27.20 | jelly | peanut__: say, which architecture is that on? |
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| 12:27.38 | peanut__ | i686 |
| 12:27.52 | jelly | peanut__: dpkg --print-architecture says that? |
| 12:28.07 | ChrisH | peanut__: I can confirm that behaviour on my amd64, too. |
| 12:28.28 | peanut__ | jelly: sorry no, the output from yours prints i386 |
| 12:28.45 | nsadmin | so that's the arch of most of your userland |
| 12:28.47 | peanut__ | ChrisH: ah ok, so at least it isn't just me. i just wonder what the gain is in reading them |
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| 12:30.25 | ChrisH | peanut__: I confirmed it on Lenny i386 too. reproducer command: strace -f sed -e "s/localhost/globalhost/g" < /etc/hosts >/dev/null |
| 12:30.56 | jelly | ld.so moves in mysterious ways |
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| 12:33.12 | ChrisH | normally skipps the library loading part in strace when debugging that way. |
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| 12:33.44 | nsadmin | if this is a shell script, it could be something the interpreter is doing |
| 12:33.56 | ChrisH | library loading issues are better checked using ldd. |
| 12:34.38 | peanut__ | ChrisH: heh, same. i figured i'd finally dive into it |
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| 12:35.59 | peanut__ | for the record, everything is working fine. I'm just spending my vacation in a weird way |
| 12:37.05 | ChrisH | For the records: on Solaris 10 it does not read at all... fstat and mmap only. |
| 12:37.25 | ChrisH | It must be caused by the Linker as jelly suggested. |
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| 12:38.09 | jelly | I'm thinking more s/caused/the way it is/ |
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| 12:38.56 | nsadmin | it must be the way it is by the linker in the pale moon light... |
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| 12:39.11 | jelly | I'm just that accustomed to scrolling over the dynamic library loading bits that I never noticed what was actually in there |
| 12:39.47 | nsadmin | chances are good you never had occasion to |
| 12:40.03 | peanut__ | haha. Yeah, I've always done the "alright, that's the beginning stuff, *scroll* ok, and then it hits this file..." |
| 12:40.04 | ChrisH | jelly: strace ls is the same pattern on Linux. |
| 12:40.30 | jelly | but strace busybox! |
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| 12:41.42 | ksk | i have a question regarding lvm-snapshots: iirc you need some spare space to use them. "what kind" of free space? free space on the PV not used for any VG? thanks! |
| 12:41.53 | ChrisH | jelly: same pattern |
| 12:42.11 | ChrisH | ksk: free space in the VG |
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| 12:43.05 | jelly | ChrisH: dammit, who links their busybox dynamically. |
| 12:44.33 | ChrisH | jelly: als apt-cache or whowver |
| 12:45.17 | ChrisH | jelly: ask apt-cache or whoever (its getting warm here) |
| 12:45.35 | jelly | yeah, that was a rhetorical one |
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| 12:50.03 | ksk | ChrisH: kk, thx! |
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| 13:05.58 | psiklops | Hi. I would like to encrypt some files and have stumbled over CCRYPT. Is it ok to use this tool, or can the encrypted Data be easily decrypted by unauthorized third party ? |
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| 13:07.12 | boudiccas | psiklops: have a look at truecrypt, you can encrypt the whole drive or just some files, its your choice. |
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| 13:07.43 | psiklops | boudiccas, thanx |
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| 13:07.58 | boudiccas | psiklops: you're welcome |
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| 13:08.20 | psiklops | boudiccas, does that mean ccrypt is not good to use, you have no expirience with it ? |
| 13:08.29 | psiklops | ^or |
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| 13:08.56 | boudiccas | psiklops: i use truecrypt and am very happy with it. i've used no other encryption tools so cannot comment on them |
| 13:09.24 | psiklops | boudiccas, thanx again for helping ;) |
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| 13:13.10 | boudiccas | psiklops: truecrypt has survived an unclean shutdown due to a power cut, and distro swapping between ubutu 12.04 and debian stable. its just rock solid, stable and works well |
| 13:13.21 | boudiccas | ubuntu |
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| 13:14.05 | raidghost | Cups asking for a password and username when i want to delete a print job. |
| 13:14.25 | raidghost | I thought it was the root password and root username. But seems like cups gives a white cloud aboute what i type in. |
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| 13:20.17 | ChrisH | raidghost: thats what I use, too. root and rootpw |
| 13:20.23 | andyrossy | hey guys, using GNome on Debian with 2 screens, but, cant move windows between screens, and it's like each screen is it's own "desktop" (the screen preferences do not show both screens) any idea why? (I can move mouse over etc) |
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| 13:20.58 | raidghost | ChrisH: It wont accept root and the root password |
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| 13:22.49 | psiklops | raidghost, you sure you got the rootpw right ? |
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| 13:23.49 | raidghost | psiklops: yes. ive changed it also. to be sure it was correct |
| 13:24.16 | ChrisH | raidghost: might there a proxy be in place? IIRC I alwyas needed to fiddle with the ACL stuff inside cups |
| 13:25.26 | thewanderer1 | andyrossy: what does `xrandr` say? |
| 13:25.35 | boudiccas | andyrossy: i see you're at kent uni at canterbury, i'm in maidstone. where are you? just interested in local connections |
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| 13:29.07 | raidghost | ChrisH: could be that i`m connected like isp - Debian-gw (192.168.1.1) - hotspot-gw (192.168.1.2 - My computer (10.1.0.3) (hotspot with chilli) |
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| 13:29.51 | ChrisH | raidghost: yes. ACLs are most times only for localnet and localhost |
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| 13:31.31 | raidghost | Maybe the cups site doesnt look too ugly in lynx |
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| 13:32.23 | vedranm | hi guys, just curious, will default desktop change to Xfce for wheezy or jessie? |
| 13:32.32 | mjt | wheezy |
| 13:32.40 | vedranm | mjt: thanks |
| 13:33.31 | raidghost | autorise failed, so i doubth that it is the root password that is been requested |
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| 13:34.47 | andyrossy | boudiccas: computing, machine learning, you? |
| 13:34.50 | andyrossy | thewanderer1: *checks* |
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| 13:35.36 | andyrossy | thewanderer1: it varies, on left terminal, it says "Screen 0".... then on right screen "Screen 1" |
| 13:35.43 | boudiccas | andyrossy: shall we take it to #debian-offtopic which is more relevant to it? just home computing, and local LUG member |
| 13:35.52 | andyrossy | it knows there are 2 screensm but it's like there's 2 versions of GNome running? |
| 13:36.00 | andyrossy | (which doesnt make sense >.<) |
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| 13:36.11 | thewanderer1 | andyrossy: can you paste the complete output of xrandr from the left screen to paste.debian.net? also, please include the output of `cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf`. |
| 13:36.24 | andyrossy | thewanderer1: ok 1 sec |
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| 13:37.17 | haarp | so my squeeze server is showing ~2GB ram usage (yes i subtracted cache and buffers), but when i add up every running process it should be around 100MB. any ideas why? |
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| 13:37.36 | andyrossy | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/183373/ |
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| 13:39.20 | thewanderer1 | haarp: "subtracted" how? the second line of 'free -m' shows the values *after* the subtraction... |
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| 13:40.41 | caf | haarp: also check SReclaimable: in /proc/meminfo |
| 13:40.59 | haarp | that line is what i was referring to, thewanderer1 |
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| 13:41.02 | caf | that's another reclaimable cache that's not included in free's cache accounting |
| 13:41.04 | thewanderer1 | andyrossy: aha, there you go. you're using the proprietary ATi driver, which may not support xrandr fully (as demonstrated), so X is emulating a dual-screen setup somehow - you're probably running two independent displays (how transition from one to another occurs, I don't know) |
| 13:41.07 | TheWarden | Hi, on Saturday I experienced a power outage. For some reason my server did not obtain an IP address or at least that is as far as I can tell is the problem. Here is my daemon and messages logs https://gist.github.com/63e3cfb065e95757201b. |
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| 13:41.24 | TheWarden | What can I do to determine the cause of this problem? All other servers are running fine. |
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| 13:41.43 | andyrossy | thewanderer1: im sure ATI supports dual monitor, im running same drivers on a ubuntu box |
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| 13:41.54 | andyrossy | hmmm |
| 13:42.32 | TheWarden | I tried doing ifconfig eth0 down and then iconfig eth0 up manually but didn't resolve the problem. This issue has happened two times before and the solution was to reboot the server. I don't believe this is much of a solution and want to figure out what the real cause is and fix this permanently. |
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| 13:42.49 | haarp | caf: yup, SReclaimable is pretty much exactly the discrepancy im seeing |
| 13:43.12 | caf | haarp: ok you can investigate the slab cache usage further with "slabtop" |
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| 13:43.16 | thewanderer1 | andyrossy: you *are* running in dual monitor mode, only there are several ways to accomplish this, and this particular one doesn't support moving windows between screens |
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| 13:43.23 | TheWarden | It appears that the power outage occurred at 3:19 am as you can see in the logs yet the network was not re-established for some reason and still isn't. |
| 13:43.25 | e_ | hey guys! |
| 13:43.29 | babilen | TheWarden: How did you configure your network? (/etc/network/interfaces, network-manager, wicd, manually, black magic, ...) |
| 13:43.34 | Diopter | TheWarden: Looks like your DHCP server isn't responding to eth0's DHCP requests. |
| 13:43.35 | TheWarden | Is there another log I could look at or info I can get? |
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| 13:43.45 | Diopter | babilen: They appear to be using networkmanager. |
| 13:43.53 | e_ | can i Conflict and Provides the same package? or does Provides do an implicit Conflict ? |
| 13:43.54 | Skeeter- | resize2fs has been of pass2 for 4 days now |
| 13:44.13 | Diopter | Skeeter-: Do you have a backup? |
| 13:44.21 | Skeeter- | Diopter: ofc not |
| 13:44.32 | Diopter | Rule 1 of disk club |
| 13:44.34 | Diopter | :P |
| 13:44.34 | caf | haarp: (but like the name suggests it's reclaimable anyway, so that memory will be available if an app wants to allocate it) |
| 13:44.36 | TheWarden | babilen: let me get that file for you, one minute. |
| 13:44.36 | babilen | TheWarden: Do you intend to use network-manager on your server? |
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| 13:44.44 | Skeeter- | Diopter: u dont backup 16tb |
| 13:44.44 | caf | really free(1) should take it into account, but it doesn't |
| 13:44.55 | andyrossy | thewanderer1: nevermind, got it. added xinerama on. |
| 13:44.57 | andyrossy | ty thou. |
| 13:45.06 | Diopter | Skeeter-: If you Have 16TB that's important, then yes, you do. You absolutely do. All the more reason to. |
| 13:45.13 | andyrossy | apaz --initial on debian doesnt work consistently between OS. |
| 13:45.19 | haarp | caf: if im reading slabtop right, most of it seems to be ext4 inode cache |
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| 13:45.30 | Skeeter- | Diopter: pass 2 seems to reset, the XXXX counts goes up then back to 0 |
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| 13:45.44 | babilen | andyrossy: Are you using a xorg.conf file or is this the autoconfigured state? (sorry, haven't followed everything and am just curious) |
| 13:46.01 | haarp | i wonder why that isnt included in the regular cache |
| 13:46.09 | andyrossy | aticonfig, but dont worry, fixed it now - after looking at config generated from --initial on anohter linux |
| 13:46.10 | Skeeter- | Diopter: is that normal? |
| 13:46.20 | Diopter | Skeeter-: Doesn't sound normal. Not sure. |
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| 13:48.15 | haarp | anyways, thanks for the info, caf. |
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| 13:48.33 | caf | no worries |
| 13:48.49 | caf | the inode cache being the largest is pretty normal |
| 13:49.01 | caf | especially if there isn't much other memory pressure |
| 13:49.03 | TheWarden | babilen: okay here is the interfaces file, https://gist.github.com/63e3cfb065e95757201b. Well DHCP is working for all servers and workstations with the exception then to this one. Mmm |
| 13:49.17 | TheWarden | Diopter: works for all others and workstations. |
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| 13:50.04 | TheWarden | babilen: well yes, as it is my understanding network-manager is the default manager used within X Windows. For those not as familiar with Linux I had need to have the GUI. |
| 13:50.18 | haarp | caf: i still think the inode cache should be considered cache in free, top and others ;) |
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| 13:50.37 | Diopter | TheWarden: Whether you should be using a GUI on a remote server aside... it's not getting you a DHCP IP |
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| 13:50.47 | babilen | TheWarden: It is just uncommon to use network-manager on a server (let alone run a desktop manager) -- That doesn't mean that NM shouldn't be able to configure eth0 via DHCP though. |
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| 13:51.26 | caf | haarp: yes, the entire slab cache should probably be |
| 13:51.36 | TheWarden | Diopter: interesting, now the IP is in reservation for that particular system. |
| 13:51.49 | Diopter | babilen: Actually, the RHEL-based systems after 6.x use NetworkManager on their servers :P |
| 13:51.54 | TheWarden | babilen: true I entirely agree. |
| 13:51.55 | babilen | TheWarden: I would debug this without network-manager. To do that run "service network-manager stop" and then "ip link set eth0 up ; dhclient eth0" and show us the result. |
| 13:52.24 | TheWarden | babilen: oh cool I wasn't aware I could do that. Let me go give that a try then. |
| 13:52.36 | Diopter | babilen: ip link set dev eth0 up |
| 13:52.42 | babilen | Diopter: Well, I am sure that RedHat does a bunch of things that would be considered weird on a Debian system to put it mildly. |
| 13:53.11 | Diopter | babilen: Mmhmm. Just saying, it's widespread and does the "wtf?" thing you just commented on. hehe |
| 13:53.15 | Diopter | Not that I approve :P |
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| 13:53.35 | babilen | Diopter: Right, thanks for catching that. |
| 13:53.57 | babilen | TheWarden: Please note Diopter's correction. |
| 13:54.32 | TheWarden | babilen: okay, will do that right now. brb in a few minutes with results. |
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| 13:54.50 | Diopter | Shouldn't take a few minutes, but hokay |
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| 14:07.24 | TheWarden | I agree, but I have to go downstairs to get it and I'm upstairs talking to you :) |
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| 14:08.37 | TheWarden | okay here are the results, https://gist.github.com/63e3cfb065e95757201b. Last file. |
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| 14:09.01 | TheWarden | I achieved this by doing service network-manager stop |
| 14:09.11 | TheWarden | then ip link set dev eth0 up |
| 14:09.18 | TheWarden | then dhclient eth0 |
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| 14:15.54 | TheWarden | ? |
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| 14:21.50 | TankBo | Hi guys. Does anyone know of a way to force VirtualBox using a specific sound card? I've got 2 installed I wanna use the second for the guests. |
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| 14:22.12 | HASy | hi |
| 14:22.26 | esing2 | what is the passwd of the root on a freshly installed debian ? |
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| 14:22.47 | Sm0ke0ut | the one you specified... |
| 14:22.58 | esing2 | hmm i didn't specifiy any =D |
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| 14:23.05 | boudiccas | esing2: the one you gave when you installed it |
| 14:23.07 | Sm0ke0ut | in that case there's no password for root |
| 14:23.14 | esing2 | good i try it out :) |
| 14:23.44 | raidghost | ChrisH: Problem solved. To strict firewall ;) |
| 14:23.48 | Sm0ke0ut | *if* sudo is installed, you can do sudo passwd to set a root password |
| 14:24.18 | raidghost | sudo is a friend when you have no friends - Quote: Unknown |
| 14:24.31 | esing2 | works now, thanks |
| 14:24.37 | Sm0ke0ut | hehe =) |
| 14:24.58 | cusco | hello folks |
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| 14:25.18 | cusco | how big is a live dvd image? under 4G ? |
| 14:25.21 | TheWarden | Diopter & babilen: ? |
| 14:25.27 | babilen | TheWarden: Hmm? |
| 14:25.31 | babilen | TheWarden: Ah, thanks. |
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| 14:26.15 | cusco | and also, should I download debian-6.0.5-powerpc-DVD-1.iso or debian-update-6.0.5-powerpc-DVD-1.iso ?? |
| 14:26.19 | babilen | TheWarden: It looks as if something is wrong with your interface. Do you really have to spend a couple of minutes to transfer information/walk downstairs? |
| 14:26.49 | babilen | cusco: Do you want to upgrade from a previous release or do you want to create a new install? |
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| 14:26.58 | boudiccas | babilen: daily exercise |
| 14:27.00 | cusco | babilen: its suposed to be a livecd |
| 14:27.07 | cusco | so.. I do not wish to install |
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| 14:27.37 | babilen | cusco: Both of them are not live CDs. Take a look at http://live.debian.net/ for those. |
| 14:27.38 | cusco | i'm at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/powerpc/bt-dvd/ - is this not live? |
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| 14:28.22 | cusco | babilen: I followed a link in http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ that took me there.. let me take a look at live.debian-net then.... |
| 14:28.52 | TheWarden | babilen: okay, it helps to type the name of the device properly with doing the dhclient eth0 :) |
| 14:28.56 | cusco | ow.. no powerpc live |
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| 14:29.30 | TheWarden | babilen: also I did ip link set eth0 up (without dev) |
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| 14:29.59 | TheWarden | babilen: then did dhclient eht0 and I got a response of "Reloading /etc/samba/smb.conf: smbd only". |
| 14:30.06 | babilen | TheWarden: I would reload the module for your NIC, check in dmesg that it succeeded and then run "ip link set dev eth0 up" -- That shouldn't result in an error. Once the interface is up (compare "ip a" or "ifconfig") you can run the dhclient command I gave you earlier. |
| 14:30.24 | TheWarden | babilen: it appears to be working now, which is great but still confused as to what the problem was in the first place. |
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| 14:30.54 | TheWarden | babilen: well I don't have access to an IRC client downstairs. |
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| 14:31.47 | TheWarden | babilen: the module, are you referring to network-manager? |
| 14:32.13 | babilen | TheWarden: I can't tell you. Do you need to connect to different networks over time from that "server" ? (e.g. are you carrying it around) |
| 14:32.46 | babilen | TheWarden: No, I wasn't. I was referring to the kernel module. But there is no need to do that if it is working now. |
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| 14:33.42 | TheWarden | babilen: no, this is a permanent server that is not moved nor connected to a different network. |
| 14:33.49 | babilen | TheWarden: And how did you install network-manager? Did you install gnome as well? |
| 14:34.44 | TheWarden | babilen: Oh, well glad that it works but this just got it working again which a reboot can do as well. It did fix the problem at hand. Well network-manager was installed at the time the OS was installed along with gnome. |
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| 14:35.50 | babilen | TheWarden: I would recommend to manage your network in /etc/network/interfaces in that case. Please read the articles linked from "/msg dpkg interfaces" (but it essentially boils down to "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp") and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.config-network.html |
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| 14:37.33 | babilen | TheWarden: Ok. Once you've configured the interface in /etc/network/interfaces it won't be managed by network-manager anymore (read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian), which means that you *could* get rid of it. When you say that "the OS was installed along with gnome" do you mean that you installed the "Desktop" task? |
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| 14:46.08 | babilen | TheWarden: Welcome back. How did you install Gnome exactly? Did you install the "Desktop" task during the initial install? (If so: Why? What makes this box a "server" ?) |
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| 14:47.56 | TheWarden | babilen: I'll look into that. I mean when I installed the OS I checked "Graphical desktop environment". |
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| 14:49.28 | TheWarden | babilen: the reason I classify this system as a server is because of the hardware it has and the fact that it just serves httpd and MySQL database. Its not intended to be used as workstation. |
| 14:50.21 | babilen | TheWarden: yeah, that is exactly what I was referring to. Doing that is quite uncommon on a server, but not really problematic as well. It complicates the removal of network-manager though if you would like to do that though. You essentially need to make sure that you keep whatever parts of gnome you want to keep by marking applicable packages as manually installed. See "/msg dpkg install gnome" (you would want gnome-core) and "/msg dpkg remove ... |
| 14:50.27 | babilen | ... rhythmbox" for a bit more information. |
| 14:50.35 | TheWarden | babilen: to be honest there is no need for the GUI, but was installed because there are a few people around here that may need to deal with it and are not familiar with Linux enough to handle it via the command line. |
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| 14:51.12 | babilen | TheWarden: It sounds as if it wouldn't be a bad idea to remove "gnome" altogether -- Why would you need all the "Desktop" applications anyway? And if you do you can just install them manually. |
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| 14:52.10 | TheWarden | babilen: yeah, well for the time being it will remain. More and more I get use to using Debian the more and more I use the shell rather than the GUI even for myself. |
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| 14:52.26 | babilen | TheWarden: Will those people actually sit in front of the computer? As a recommendation for the future: Do *not* install the tasks during the initial installation (apart from "standard" !) and just install whatever you really need later. |
| 14:52.30 | TheWarden | babilen: so are you suggesting that the network-manager is the cause here? |
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| 14:53.08 | babilen | TheWarden: I give this advice because the task metapackages (and the Desktop one especially) are quite huge and pull in quite a number of packages/software that you might never want to use. |
| 14:53.11 | TheWarden | babilen: yes they will when something goes wrong they will be at the computer. If there is network access still I use SSH and if necessary remote desktop. |
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| 14:53.21 | TheWarden | babilen: oh okay. |
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| 14:53.52 | TheWarden | babilen: yeah like rhythmbox, etc. |
| 14:54.05 | i0x71 | hey, anyone know how i can skip the "software selection step" when using preseed file for the debian install ? |
| 14:54.20 | babilen | TheWarden: Yeah, I guess that network-manager is to blame, but we would have to investigate that further. You have *no* need for network-manager though, because you essentially use a static non-changing network configuration. Using it therefore complicates the situation at best and causes failures at worst. |
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| 14:55.36 | menace | is there a way to look at the specific changes between debian-packet-versions? like some debdiff? |
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| 14:55.54 | menace | oh wow |
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| 14:55.58 | menace | even the name... |
| 14:56.05 | babilen | TheWarden: Ok. I would recommend to do the following. Log in via SSH and remove gnome (apt-get remove gnome) -- As you obviously need *some* minimal graphical access on the box I would start by making sure that Xorg is still installed (See "/msg dpkg install x"). Your collegues might like gnome, but there is no need for the "install everything gnome related approach". |
| 14:56.06 | TheWarden | babilen: well essentially a s static IP but a reserved IP within the IP reservation within DHCP. So not truly a static IP. |
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| 14:57.25 | babilen | TheWarden: I didn't really mean "static" as in the "static IP" sense, but rather in the "unchanging" sense. That is you don't carry it aroung and use ethernet via DHCP at one time, a wireless link shortly thereafter only to be followed by using a 3G dongle. |
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| 14:58.11 | TheWarden | babilen: mmm I wish I knew this before. What a pain :-). |
| 14:58.43 | babilen | TheWarden: Ok, back to gnome. I would install one of the smaller gnome metapackages and would personally choose gnome-session. You can then continue to install whatever applications you deem necessary. (e.g. gnome-terminal, gedit, ... I don't know) -- The gnome-core package might be an option, but it'll pull in network-manager in the next stable release, which might complicate the upgrade in the future. |
| 14:58.59 | mdh | I'm getting a popup every time I log into XFCE saying: gdbus.error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject |
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| 14:59.56 | babilen | TheWarden: It really isn't that bad, but I can understand that it is quite confusing if you are not that familiar with Debian's packaging system and the way metapackages are designed and work. I am, btw, not a friend of the "Yeah, install everything or nothing" approach taken by the installer, but well ... |
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| 15:01.25 | TheWarden | babilen: well neither am I and I found that out after the fact when I tried to remove some packages I didn't want. So okay, I'll try this now then apt-get remove gnome oh wait I need to go through all that info you gave me about networking setup so that it works without network-manager right? |
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| 15:02.39 | babilen | TheWarden: So in short: "apt-get purge gnome ; apt-get install gnome-session PACKAGE_YOU_WANT_1 ... PACKAGE_YOU_WANT_N ; apt-get install xorg ; apt-get --purge autoremove" -- If at any point during that process you think "Uh, that is not what I want. (in particular the last which will remove a lot of "unneeded packages") you should pause and add packages you want to keep to the "PACKAGES_WANT" list. |
| 15:02.55 | babilen | TheWarden: Instead of running "apt-get install PACKAGE_YOU_WANT |
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| 15:04.33 | babilen | TheWarden: ... you can also use "apt-mark manual PACKAGE_YOU_WANT_1 ... PACKAGE_YOU_WANT_N" or "aptitude markauto PACKAGE_YOU_WANT_1 ... PACKAGE_YOU_WANT_N" if they are *already* installed. |
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| 15:05.53 | babilen | TheWarden: If your head is likely to explode I would say that now is a good time for that. If not: Read the manpages for apt-get, apt-mark and aptitude to understand what these commands do. ;) |
| 15:06.14 | linduxed | is there a command that does "do a bell right now" ? |
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| 15:06.57 | TheWarden | babilen: okay, so how am I avoiding using network-manager? I'm fairly familiar with those commands except apt-mark. |
| 15:07.02 | boudiccas | linduxed: do a bell? what do you mean? |
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| 15:07.48 | babilen | linduxed: echo -e "\a" -- If you mean "ring the bell" -- Make sure that the bell/pcspkr is enabled though. (horrible horrible bells are horrible and people typically disable it) |
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| 15:09.15 | babilen | TheWarden: Wonderful -- yeah, I would avoid network-manager unless you need its functionality (e.g. on a laptop) as it just complicates the whole network setup. At best it does the same as "auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces, but it might cause problems. So: Why bother? |
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| 15:10.17 | TheWarden | babilen: agreed, I'm just asking how am I not going to use it? I'm confused on how to have it use another option to manage my network as I want to make sure it continues to work. |
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| 15:11.19 | linduxed | babilen: that's probably it |
| 15:11.37 | linduxed | babilen: the thing is that i want to see if my terminal reacts in some way |
| 15:11.48 | linduxed | with a visual bell or something. atm it doesn't |
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| 15:12.23 | babilen | TheWarden: The service is stopped right now and NM will also not manage an interface that has been defined in /etc/network/interfaces (See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for information on that) -- The best way is to remove it though and it will be one of the packages that are purged during the "cleanup the Gnome installation" procedure I detailed earlier. |
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| 15:13.42 | babilen | TheWarden: I have to go now, but I'll be back later. Good luck for now and may you have a nice day! |
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| 15:15.47 | ratatata | nu |
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| 15:21.38 | TheWarden | babileu: okay, thanks for the help! |
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| 15:28.28 | esing2 | what am I doing wrong: root@:~/rtorrent-0.9.0# make |
| 15:28.29 | esing2 | make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
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| 15:30.23 | menace | esing2: ./configure already run? |
| 15:30.28 | esing2 | menace yes |
| 15:30.41 | esing2 | maybe because i installed libtorrent into /usr ? |
| 15:30.55 | sney | !b-e esing2 |
| 15:30.55 | dpkg | esing2: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:31.04 | boudiccas | ,v rtorrent |
| 15:31.06 | judd | Package: rtorrent on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; squeeze: 0.8.6-1; sid: 0.9.2-1; wheezy: 0.9.2-1 |
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| 15:31.29 | esing2 | i already did: apt-get install build-essential |
| 15:32.02 | sney | ,checkbackport rtorrent |
| 15:32.11 | judd | Backporting package rtorrent in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libtorrent-dev (>= 0.13.2~), libxmlrpc-core-c3-dev. |
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| 15:32.46 | sney | esing2: go back to the README and INSTALL files in the source package and look for clues there. |
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| 15:33.10 | calzifer | ,backports dwb |
| 15:33.18 | calzifer | ,checkbackport dwb |
| 15:33.20 | judd | Backporting package dwb in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libwebkitgtk-3.0-dev. |
| 15:33.33 | esing2 | in installed libtorrent and xmlrpc already, but not the dev, do they differ from this file 'http://xmlrpc-c.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmlrpc-c/advanced/?view=tar' ? |
| 15:33.42 | esing2 | s\in\I |
| 15:33.43 | sney | calzifer: you can also /msg judd checkbackport |
| 15:33.50 | calzifer | sney: thank you |
| 15:34.25 | sney | esing2: debian packages just split lib packages into binaries and headers, if you compiled libtorrent from source then don't worry about the -dev |
| 15:34.29 | i0x71 | hey, anyone know how i can skip the "software selection step" when using preseed file for the debian install ? |
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| 15:35.20 | esing2 | sney hmm so I wouldn't need to install the dev anymore? :D |
| 15:36.01 | sney | esing2: not that specific one for what you're doing. |
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| 15:37.55 | meder | i bought an LG external dvd burner but when i connect it and do tail /var/log/messages i dont see it being connected |
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| 15:38.11 | meder | as opposed to my garmin gps which through /var/log/messages and usb, shows detected |
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| 15:40.28 | esing2 | sney so basically i have to find out what else deb i am missing to solve my error hm? |
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| 15:41.59 | sney | esing2: you need to read the INSTALL and README files in the source package. you need to look closely at the output from running ./configure. beyond that, I have no idea |
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| 15:44.31 | esing2 | alright thanks for the infos |
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| 15:46.44 | meder | brb |
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| 15:47.34 | erin12345678 | hey peeps |
| 15:47.50 | erin12345678 | whats that webpage with the fast debian cd downloads??? |
| 15:47.54 | erin12345678 | need it bad... |
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| 15:48.19 | sney | erin12345678: erm, http://cdimage.debian.org/ ? |
| 15:48.51 | erin12345678 | too slow |
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| 15:49.23 | jelly | open more connections to it |
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| 15:49.50 | jelly | (use a tool that parallelizes a download) |
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| 15:51.24 | erin12345678 | like? |
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| 15:52.07 | sney | jigdo, bittorrent |
| 15:53.01 | jelly | erin12345678: I'm getting around 1MB/s with a single connection, is thta too slow for you? |
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| 15:57.31 | jelly | erin12345678: dunno, I use lftp for parallel downloads |
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| 16:00.33 | ptrkmj | my apt is configured to install recommended packages but when i install kernel from backports somehow it doesn't grab firmware-linux-free (recommended by linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64) http://paste.debian.net/183390/ ; do you see any explanation for this? |
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| 16:03.35 | themill | ptrkmj: does aptitude do the same? a broken recommendation from not upgrading a recommended package is likely to be treated differently by the two solvers |
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| 16:06.48 | johndo | what is the minimum memory requirement to run wheezy? |
| 16:06.54 | ptrkmj | themill: i'm not familiar with aptitude, yet. should i use the same commandline as with apt-get? |
| 16:07.02 | themill | ptrkmj: yeah |
| 16:07.06 | johndo | is there a different minimum for single core and multicore? |
| 16:07.15 | johndo | (both for i386) |
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| 16:10.07 | ptrkmj | themill: aptitude does not pull in recommends either http://paste.debian.net/183392/ |
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| 16:11.47 | sney | johndo: really depends on what you're doing |
| 16:12.02 | johndo | sney: boot to login prompt ;) |
| 16:12.34 | johndo | I have a VM which happily boots with 48 MB RAM with single core |
| 16:12.43 | sney | just need enough ram to hold the initrd and the kernel, I guess |
| 16:12.53 | nvz | I was working in audacity last night about half way through a rather large file, and then it went out to lunch on me. I just went to sleep figuring it MAY come back. Its still hung, the window will not redraw. If I just kill it, doesnt audacity have some kind of recovery? |
| 16:12.55 | themill | ptrkmj: recommends are not normally considered in upgrades -- whether that's the right thing to do or not has been argued recently, but that's the situation you're in. If you add the firmware packages to that install line then it will install the newer versions of them too |
| 16:12.57 | johndo | but requires nearly 1 GB RAM when started with 2 cores |
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| 16:13.18 | nvz | feels like a space cadet right now |
| 16:13.33 | sney | johndo: that sounds like we have different definitions of "requires"... or maybe "login prompt" |
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| 16:14.37 | ptrkmj | themill: the fact is i don't have linux-firmware-free installed at all, so it's not an upgrade |
| 16:15.08 | themill | ptrkmj: but you have linux-image-amd64 currently installed? |
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| 16:15.49 | johndo | sney: probably, I mean up to the standard login prompt, init 2 completed |
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| 16:15.59 | johndo | with no additional services running |
| 16:16.05 | sney | so you're not talking about gdm or any X insanity |
| 16:16.22 | johndo | sney: of course not |
| 16:16.25 | ptrkmj | themill: no, i don't |
| 16:16.31 | sney | on the one that you say "requires" 1GB to reach that point, what does free -m look like immediately after login |
| 16:16.38 | themill | ptrkmj: oh. hmm. No idea then. |
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| 16:16.54 | johndo | sney: it does not reach login prompt |
| 16:17.31 | johndo | sney: http://paste.debian.net/183393/ |
| 16:18.12 | johndo | sney: that's with 512 MB, but even 900 MB fails the same |
| 16:18.31 | johndo | it boots successfully with 950 MB or so |
| 16:19.25 | sney | huh |
| 16:19.32 | sney | and this is in a VM? how many cores does the host have? |
| 16:19.43 | ptrkmj | themill: this might be something related to backports. like e.g. an option set somewhere (Release file?) telling apt to not pull in recommends |
| 16:19.49 | johndo | sney: host has 2 |
| 16:20.12 | themill | ptrkmj: nah, your -t squeeze-backports overrides the only settings in the Release file. |
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| 16:20.19 | sney | johndo: virtualbox? |
| 16:20.34 | johndo | sney: kvm, host wheezy, guest wheezy |
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| 16:20.54 | grobda24 | Hi. Is there a repo for very recent kernel builds ? I have a piece of hardware that is only supported in very recent kernels. |
| 16:21.11 | themill | grobda24: define recent. (And which release of debian you're running) |
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| 16:21.18 | sney | grobda24: there's a 3.2 available in squeeze-backports |
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| 16:22.21 | jelly | grobda24: not really. There are some 3.4.x and 3.5.x builds in experimental at present time |
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| 16:22.53 | sney | building kernel .debs from upstream sources is extremely easy, though. <3 make deb-pkg |
| 16:23.29 | jelly | make deb-pkg has issues building an amd64 kernel on i386 installation, for weirdos that have such systems |
| 16:23.52 | grobda24 | sney, jelly ... thanks. Not sure if 3.2 is new enough, but experimental might be better. |
| 16:24.24 | jelly | grobda24: try the squeeze-backports one first if you're using squeeze |
| 16:24.26 | grobda24 | Do you think installing a ".deb" download of an experimental kernel-image would work in Wheezy testing ? |
| 16:24.35 | grobda24 | jelly: ok |
| 16:24.38 | jelly | not on its own, no |
| 16:24.54 | grobda24 | needs, headers ... libraries ? |
| 16:25.08 | sney | yeah, kernels have little to no depencencies, at most you just need the linux-image and linux-base and sometimes initramfs-tools |
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| 16:26.03 | meder | i installed virtualbox and it shows up in aptitude but for whatever reason, invoking 'virtualbox' does not open it, nor does it show up in applications |
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| 16:26.49 | jelly | grobda24: linux-base, updated firmware if you use it; matching linux-headers-* need quite a bit more |
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| 16:27.45 | jelly | I don't know whether adding just the experimental repo to a wheezy sources would work at this point |
| 16:29.03 | grobda24 | jelly: I've been told that is definetely a bad idea |
| 16:29.18 | grobda24 | adding all experimental I mean |
| 16:29.25 | jelly | "all"? |
| 16:29.43 | grobda24 | the |
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| 16:29.59 | jelly | it IS a bad idea, but if you need something from it, well, use it but be careful |
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| 16:30.55 | gabrielcz | Hello all.. I have a problem with outgoing connections, Im not running iptables, and have not firewall at all |
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| 16:31.07 | gabrielcz | any clue? |
| 16:31.13 | cerebral_monkey | How can I install a package from wheezy if I'm running squeeze, without upgrading entirely to the new release? I'm trying to install the package 'barry' but it's only available in wheezy. |
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| 16:31.20 | themill | grobda24: which release of debian were you using? |
| 16:31.44 | gabrielcz | https://gist.github.com/d6139bc07e7bb889e756 <-- iptables results |
| 16:31.50 | jelly | versions barry |
| 16:31.52 | jelly | ,versions barry |
| 16:31.53 | judd | No package named 'barry' was found in i386. |
| 16:31.58 | gabrielcz | I cant not, send even a ping! :( |
| 16:32.04 | cerebral_monkey | D: |
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| 16:32.08 | jelly | cerebral_monkey: are you sure that's the package name? |
| 16:32.15 | cerebral_monkey | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=barry |
| 16:32.18 | gabrielcz | but all incoming connections are enabled |
| 16:32.49 | themill | cerebral_monkey: source package != binary package |
| 16:33.17 | cerebral_monkey | Well, then how can I get the source from the new release and install it? |
| 16:33.52 | themill | cerebral_monkey: that package looks quite backportable, you can "/msg dpkg ssb" and have a bash at it |
| 16:34.00 | cerebral_monkey | thanks |
| 16:34.01 | jelly | cerebral_monkey: you can try and build binary packages for squeeze from wheezy or sid sources. This is called "backporting". |
| 16:34.42 | cerebral_monkey | Sounds good, thank you. |
| 16:34.59 | gabrielcz | solved: |
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| 16:36.12 | grobda24 | themill: wheezy |
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| 16:36.23 | grobda24 | thanks for the other answers :) |
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| 16:36.40 | skilz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.45 | skilz | What does that mean? Im trying to get my resolution to 1280x800, but its going to 1792x1344 |
| 16:36.58 | themill | grobda24: ok -- that should be fine with the experimental kernels; those kernels from experimental don't play that nicely with squeeze which is why I wanted to double check |
| 16:37.00 | skilz | THat's in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:37.04 | skilz | In the screens section |
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| 16:37.15 | skilz | I have a 13" 16:10 LCD |
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| 16:37.33 | jelly | skilz: are you running that debian in a vm? |
| 16:37.39 | skilz | Yes |
| 16:37.47 | skilz | WMWare Fusion |
| 16:37.53 | jelly | that is an important piece of information. |
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| 16:38.09 | grobda24 | themill: cheers |
| 16:38.25 | jelly | skilz: can you tell vmware to expose a maximum resolution of only 1280x800 to the guest? |
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| 16:39.22 | brontosaurusrex | nooby one: in cmd when iam in certain dir, whats a good way to compress everything inside into pack.tar.gz (or whatever compressor is the best), i'd like this pack to be generated in the same dir as well ... |
| 16:39.45 | brontosaurusrex | example: tar -czf files.tar.gz --exclude=files.tar.gz ./ |
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| 16:40.08 | brontosaurusrex | will throw : tar: .: file changed as we read it |
| 16:40.12 | brontosaurusrex | warning |
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| 16:40.26 | skilz | How? |
| 16:40.31 | cetra | hell i cannot remember whick package was needed to build a kernel .deb package |
| 16:40.32 | superstraw | brontosaurusrex: tar -czf files.tar.gz --excluded=files.tar.gz ../directory |
| 16:40.40 | cetra | s/hell/hi/ lol |
| 16:40.50 | brontosaurusrex | superstraw, i have to target some other dir? |
| 16:40.57 | cetra | can some of you remind me this psl? |
| 16:41.02 | cetra | pls* |
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| 16:41.29 | palermo | hello, i am a debian noob, i installed netinstall with no desktop.. what do i do next? |
| 16:41.35 | superstraw | brontosaurusrex: directory should be the one you are in. |
| 16:41.45 | skilz | jelly: How do I do that? |
| 16:42.31 | dkr | palermo: do you want a desktop? |
| 16:42.41 | jelly | skilz: dunno, I don't use that particular vmware product |
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| 16:42.47 | brontosaurusrex | superstraw, wow, well its working, now the questions is why is that working? |
| 16:43.13 | skilz | I can't see an option for it |
| 16:43.32 | brontosaurusrex | superstraw, goes on up and one down and its somehow happy with that? |
| 16:43.42 | brontosaurusrex | one* |
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| 16:44.26 | palermo | dkr, not really, just X + some simple window manager like windowmaker, fluxbox etc |
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| 16:45.00 | xSmurf | hey all, what's the easiest way to run a script on clean reboots?? |
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| 16:45.11 | abrotman | @reboot in your cron table |
| 16:45.20 | abrotman | or do it from an init script |
| 16:45.22 | palermo | how do i check if i have sound in console? |
| 16:45.24 | abrotman | !tell xSmurf about run at startup |
| 16:45.31 | jelly | xSmurf: you don't want to run it from unclean reboots? |
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| 16:45.56 | dkr | palermo: well, then that's what you do. :) install x, then aptitude install fluxbox. :) |
| 16:45.58 | superstraw | !tell superstraw about run at startup |
| 16:46.01 | xSmurf | jelly: well I don't care much in that case... but I don't want it to run on shutdown, only reboot |
| 16:46.08 | dkr | !tell palermo about install x |
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| 16:48.07 | abrotman | what? |
| 16:48.10 | palermo | dkr, is there any difference between apt-get install and aptitude install? |
| 16:48.22 | abrotman | palermo: personally, i'd use aptitude for day to day tasks |
| 16:49.06 | dkr | palermo: aptitude is a bit better about resolving broken dependency issues. and it has a nifty curses interface if you like. but for a command line install, not much diff |
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| 16:55.49 | brontosaurusrex | how ugly would be: tar cf - $PWD | 7za a -si pack.tar.7z ? |
| 16:56.01 | brontosaurusrex | do i need to quote $PWD ? |
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| 16:57.01 | Flashtek | brontosaurusrex: echo $PWD |
| 16:57.36 | brontosaurusrex | Flashtek, and? |
| 16:57.47 | Flashtek | does that do what you expect ? |
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| 16:57.53 | brontosaurusrex | sure |
| 16:58.04 | Flashtek | so are quotes needed ? |
| 16:58.25 | brontosaurusrex | not in this case when i dont have space in directory names |
| 16:58.30 | brontosaurusrex | perhaps |
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| 16:59.19 | Flashtek | space in $PWD output, put quote marks |
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| 17:00.38 | brontosaurusrex | ok |
| 17:01.02 | ptrkmj | the nouveau drivers must have matured substantially between kernel in squeeze and 3.2.0 as after upgrading 2d www browser animations look smooth finally (after upgrading) |
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| 17:01.46 | ptrkmj | i was about to install blobs |
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| 17:02.26 | Oliver` | I understand that the HTTPd user, www-data, uses /var/www as it's $HOME. To allow users to set up virtual hosts (i.e. /var/www/example.org), I've added both their accounts and www-data to a group called www-dir. /var/www is set to 0775 and chmod'd as www-data:www-dir -- is this a good solution, or not? |
| 17:02.41 | TheWarden | I just recently removed gnome and only installed what I required. Therefore the Update Manager has been removed. Since I really don't need it and therefore I should be able to search for updates and then install the updates. |
| 17:02.57 | TheWarden | There's just one problem, lol I don't know how to do this via command line. How can this be done? |
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| 17:03.32 | Oliver` | TheWarden: $ man aptitude |
| 17:03.44 | TheWarden | do I need to do apt-get update and then do apt-get upgrade to apply the updates? I realize aptitude can also take the same parameters. |
| 17:03.52 | babilen | TheWarden: "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" -- Read "man apt-get" and http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html -- I take it that your removals went fine then? |
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| 17:04.52 | Flashtek | Oliver`: can't you leave it as www-data:www-data ? |
| 17:05.08 | Flashtek | oh, wait... |
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| 17:05.18 | Oliver` | Flashtek: I'd have to chmod as 0777 then -- all users would be able to read/write. |
| 17:05.47 | TheWarden | babilen: yes it appears so... everything checks out okay thus far with one exception. It appears I'm getting a NFS common utilities statd failed errror at boot time. Not sure what the deal is with that. |
| 17:05.58 | Flashtek | Oliver`: modapache-mpm-itk |
| 17:06.00 | babilen | Oliver`: Why is that? You can also add those users to www-data (just saying and for example) |
| 17:06.15 | Flashtek | allows you to run vhosts as given users |
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| 17:06.27 | thewanderer1 | Oliver`: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions - I'm very proud of this howto. or, you could use apache2-mpm-itk as suggested. |
| 17:06.36 | Oliver` | babilen: I was under the impression that adding a user to another users' group (i.e. adding john to david's group, david) was practice. |
| 17:06.39 | Oliver` | Also, I do not use Apache. |
| 17:06.41 | thewanderer1 | (hint: ACL for www-data user) |
| 17:06.58 | thewanderer1 | Oliver`: what httpd? what scripting languages? |
| 17:07.00 | babilen | TheWarden: We would certainly need to see the exact error message (/msg dpkg boot log) ... I'll be afk for a little while longer though. |
| 17:07.09 | Oliver` | thewanderer1: I'll read this, thank you. nginx and Perl. |
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| 17:07.35 | Flashtek | biab |
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| 17:08.02 | thewanderer1 | oh, I don't know about Perl. if it runs as the target UID, though, you'll be able to make it tick via ACL. if not... it's not very secure :P |
| 17:08.26 | Oliver` | thewanderer1: Was there anything actually wrong with my solution, though? |
| 17:08.41 | Oliver` | Also, was I wrong is saying it's bad practice to add john to group david (as an example)? |
| 17:08.59 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: shooting in the dark, but 9/10 of my statd problems are caused by missing "lo" interface |
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| 17:09.03 | Oliver` | If not, I'll remove www-dir and just add them to www-data... |
| 17:09.14 | palermo | I installed X and fluxbox, it works fine, but could you tell me how I can increase screen resolution? |
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| 17:09.47 | babilen | TheWarden: That is: you are missing "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback" in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:09.54 | thewanderer1 | Oliver`: well, the users could read one another's files that are marked as 0750 |
| 17:10.03 | TheWarden | ahhh I indeed didn't have those. |
| 17:10.37 | thewanderer1 | I should establish a symptom -> cause mapping table somewhere... |
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| 17:10.49 | Oliver` | thewanderer1: That's a non-issue for this project. |
| 17:11.01 | thewanderer1 | Oliver`: ok, then it's perfectly viable |
| 17:11.10 | Oliver` | And for the groups question? |
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| 17:11.29 | TheWarden | thewanderer1 & babilen: I'll put that back in and see if that resolves it. |
| 17:11.38 | thewanderer1 | Oliver`: you're free to re-use www-data, it's a common practice and there are no downsides that I'm aware of |
| 17:11.48 | Oliver` | Alright, thank you. |
| 17:11.53 | Oliver` | I'll make the switch now. |
| 17:12.09 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: need to "ifup lo" after amending the config file, too (unless you reboot) |
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| 17:12.41 | palermo | which is the free one: mpg123 or mpg321 ? |
| 17:12.53 | Oliver` | Done. :) |
| 17:12.56 | Oliver` | ty again |
| 17:13.32 | TheWarden | on another note, I connect into my server via SSH using Kitty and I've also used putty. I keep getting accented characters and such showing up when using say aptitude. How can I fix this? |
| 17:14.04 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: set your client's encoding to UTF-8 (Translation tab in PuTTY, or something like that) |
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| 17:15.44 | palermo | how can i change console font? |
| 17:15.53 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: well go figure that was it. I thought I changed that to UTF-8 but some how it was not. Thanks. |
| 17:16.06 | TheWarden | the statd is fixed. thanks guys. |
| 17:16.56 | thewanderer1 | ok, so any ideas where would be a good place to put known problem/solution pairs? I've got a personal site, the second least popular site on the Web... but the wiki seems inappropriate somehow |
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| 17:19.41 | palermo | dpkg console |
| 17:19.41 | dpkg | Console Guides: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html http://www.linuxcommand.org/ http://tinyurl.com/gwg2b http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html . See also <serial console>, <netconsole>. |
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| 17:24.01 | palermo | little help for this noob? :( |
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| 17:29.09 | fabio | hello i cant get this fatal error: pcsclite.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:29.15 | johndo | when I set GRUB_TIMEOUT=120 in /etc/default/grub, run update-grub and see it as 'set timeout=120' in /boot/grub/grub.cfg should'n grub wait 2 mins before booting the default? |
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| 17:29.21 | johndo | or did I miss something? |
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| 17:30.25 | johndo | is there a different way to tell grub to stop at the boot menu? |
| 17:30.51 | Flashtek | fabio: when you are doing what ? |
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| 17:31.25 | fabio | Flashtek, im trrying to install pcsc perl module |
| 17:31.32 | fabio | and give that error |
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| 17:31.47 | Flashtek | fabio: exact command ? |
| 17:32.06 | fas3r | Hello |
| 17:32.27 | Flashtek | fas3r: \o/ |
| 17:32.28 | fabio | Flashtek, cpan sudo cpan PCSC::Card |
| 17:32.44 | fas3r | Flashtek: yes :) ? |
| 17:33.12 | fas3r | is there anyway to check that ssh key are still ok in the authorized_key ? |
| 17:33.53 | Flashtek | fabio: libpcsc-perl <-- that package ? |
| 17:35.08 | krababbel | johndo: you need to upgrad initramfs too |
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| 17:35.45 | fabio | Flashtek, yeh |
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| 17:36.16 | Flashtek | fabio: why not install the package then ? |
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| 17:36.40 | fabio | Flashtek, give me error during the install |
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| 17:37.03 | fabio | PCSCperl.h:72:24: fatal error: pcsclite.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:37.03 | fabio | compilation terminated. |
| 17:37.12 | fabio | that error Flashtek |
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| 17:37.55 | Flashtek | i don't get that error, though 'apt-get install libpcsc-perl' being used instead |
| 17:38.02 | boudiccas | fabio: thats because you're using Cpan |
| 17:38.14 | Flashtek | kinda my point |
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| 17:38.31 | fabio | oh |
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| 17:38.36 | Flashtek | ya |
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| 17:38.56 | Flashtek | goes car shopping |
| 17:39.47 | lupine_85 | car! |
| 17:39.55 | lupine_85 | buy a Fisker |
| 17:41.21 | simonlnu | even better, don't buy one |
| 17:42.22 | Flashtek | BMW 318 Diesel wanted |
| 17:42.30 | Flashtek | also, someone else's credit card |
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| 17:43.49 | aaron | hey i got a question i just install debian right now. and when i boot the kernel i get a black gray boot, and the graphics are screw and i cannot see nothing but gray and black screen any ideas? |
| 17:44.24 | boudiccas | aaron: what graphcs card have you got? |
| 17:44.31 | simonlnu | weren't you here yesterday asking about this? |
| 17:44.37 | aaron | is radeon graphics |
| 17:44.44 | aaron | yeah simonlnu still can't fix it |
| 17:44.49 | boudiccas | aaron: be specific |
| 17:44.55 | simonlnu | darn |
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| 17:44.58 | simonlnu | gl |
| 17:45.03 | aaron | like i boot the kernel, and then, after the boot i see a gray screen |
| 17:45.15 | aaron | and after that i can't see no fonts, no nothing because it's messed up |
| 17:45.54 | johndo | krababbel: update-initramfs -u ? did not change anything |
| 17:46.04 | aaron | so no success boot, i mean a success boot, means that i can see the ttys terminals with out a proble |
| 17:46.05 | aaron | m |
| 17:46.09 | johndo | any other idea to get the grub countdown to work? |
| 17:46.31 | krababbel | johndo: update grub too/ |
| 17:46.35 | krababbel | otherwise, no |
| 17:46.52 | aaron | any suggestions to my problem/ |
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| 17:47.14 | boudiccas | aaron: yes, answer teh question specifically |
| 17:47.15 | johndo | krababbel: did both, update-initramfs and update-grub |
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| 17:47.52 | johndo | it simply skips the countdown |
| 17:48.01 | johndo | maybe another problem with kvm .. |
| 17:48.03 | aaron | boudiccas which question? |
| 17:48.12 | Flashtek | johndo: how many options do you have in grub.conf ? |
| 17:48.17 | boudiccas | aaron: what graphics card have you? |
| 17:48.36 | johndo | Flashtek: the standard 2, normal and rescue |
| 17:48.42 | Flashtek | aaron: does the system boot (can you access over ssh for example) |
| 17:48.55 | aaron | is an AMD RADEONS hD 6320 series Graphics |
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| 17:49.21 | aaron | Flashtek nope i can't because i cannot see anything on the ttys terminals all i see it's a grey black |
| 17:49.53 | Flashtek | sure, but did you install ssh server at install time ? |
| 17:50.03 | aaron | yeah i did, |
| 17:50.09 | Flashtek | try to ssh in |
| 17:50.21 | aaron | i don't have any other pc |
| 17:50.26 | Flashtek | how are you on irc ? |
| 17:50.29 | johndo | Flashtek: http://paste.debian.net/183403/ |
| 17:50.39 | aaron | via windows |
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| 17:51.17 | Orpheus | hey is cinnamon going to be availble anytime soon? |
| 17:52.01 | simonlnu | !cinnamon |
| 17:52.01 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. <RFP> filed as Debian bug #657395. http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 17:52.29 | simonlnu | Orpheus: bugs.debian.org/657395 |
| 17:52.49 | streuner | !dbugs 657395 |
| 17:52.52 | dpkg | #657395:W[wnpp] ITP: cinnamon -- Cinnamon desktop (); Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:03:05 UTC [] |
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| 17:53.55 | aaron | damn is there any way to fix this? |
| 17:54.04 | aaron | so i can boot debian and start using it |
| 17:54.56 | boudiccas | aaron: you need to install graphic drivers applicable to your graphics card, but i dont know how to do it |
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| 17:55.07 | simonlnu | seems to boot fine. just your video is wonky. not a big deal. |
| 17:55.09 | aaron | damn I'm stock |
| 17:55.22 | aaron | yeah it is simonlnu i cannot view nothing at all, |
| 17:55.27 | aaron | it's very poor |
| 17:55.41 | Flashtek | recovery console work ? |
| 17:55.46 | simonlnu | !radeonhd |
| 17:55.47 | dpkg | radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>. |
| 17:56.02 | simonlnu | !radeon |
| 17:56.03 | dpkg | Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>. |
| 17:56.22 | simonlnu | aaron: ^^ |
| 17:56.31 | aaron | Flashtek on the recovery console, it's the same problem |
| 17:56.40 | aaron | poor graphics and i cannot see nothing at all |
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| 17:58.13 | johndo | deprecated ... what's the replacement for radeonhd, xserver-xorg-video-radeon? or anything else? |
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| 17:58.29 | aaron | let me try installing debian with out X |
| 17:58.34 | aaron | and see if that's any differance at all |
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| 18:03.45 | justin | ugh. all aaron had to do was turn off KMS most likely |
| 18:03.56 | justin | so now he will reinstall debian and run into the same exact problem |
| 18:04.02 | streuner | or just using VESA |
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| 18:04.43 | streuner | we fixed similar problems in the past with none infos |
| 18:04.48 | tremon | actually, I think the hd6320 is an APU |
| 18:04.56 | streuner | APU? |
| 18:05.06 | streuner | dpkg, listvals 6320 |
| 18:05.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of '6320' by value returned no results. |
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| 18:05.16 | tremon | using vesa or nomodeset wouldn't have helped, he should have installed the firmware-linux-nonfree from kernel 3.0 or higher |
| 18:05.18 | streuner | dpkg, listkeys 6320 |
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| 18:05.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of '6320' by key returned no results. |
| 18:05.25 | jelly-home | streuner: msg the bot |
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| 18:05.46 | tremon | accelerated processing unit, i.e. gfx processor inside main cpu |
| 18:05.47 | streuner | jelly-home: thats boring :-) |
| 18:06.02 | mdh | i recently uninstalled a lot of packages that I don't use, and now the aptitude graphical interface wants to remove a bunch of stuff. when using aptitude from the command line, it doesn't want to remove anything. is there anything I should try to do to fix this, or just leave it alone? |
| 18:06.23 | tremon | mdh: I'd try aptitude install -f |
| 18:06.26 | streuner | using VESA makes *SURE* that your videocard works, sure, without 3d |
| 18:06.55 | tremon | streuner: except in the latest radeon cards, because they don't even do 2d without firmware |
| 18:07.17 | streuner | tremon: interesting, bad luck then, it seems |
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| 18:07.43 | tremon | but you may be right, maybe vesa uses the bios' firmware, haven't tried it |
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| 18:08.00 | streuner | tremon: i would give knoppix a try, maybe it has a solution |
| 18:08.08 | mdh | if i use aptitude install -f then everything that was coming up in the gui comes up |
| 18:08.58 | mdh | like i tried to completely remove gnome, and now it wants to reinstall some gnome stuff |
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| 18:09.27 | tremon | you can use aptitude why <pkg> to find out why it wants to bring them back |
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| 18:11.17 | mdh | i xfce4 Recommends desktop-base (>= 5.0.4) |
| 18:11.37 | streuner | judd, versions xfce4 |
| 18:11.38 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 18:11.48 | streuner | interesting :-) |
| 18:12.19 | mdh | then it says that desktop base recommends gnome | kde-standard | xfce4 ...etc and that kde-standard depends on kate |
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| 18:12.29 | mdh | i have xfce4 as far as i know |
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| 18:16.53 | krababbel | where should I put sysctl.conf entries? Is it OK to edit /etc/sysctl.conf or should I use /etc/sysctl.d/? |
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| 18:23.19 | fas3r | I have a strange error .... " Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /home/fas3r" but all the rights are good ... |
| 18:23.22 | fas3r | no idea... |
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| 18:23.28 | fas3r | 3hours that i'm stuck.. :( |
| 18:24.21 | simonlnu | checked syslog and auth.log? |
| 18:24.46 | fas3r | simonlnu: yes it's from the secure log |
| 18:24.56 | jelly-home | krababbel: now that there actually is a /etc/sysctl.d/ might as well use it |
| 18:25.03 | nossitron | fas3r: ssh authentification? |
| 18:25.07 | fas3r | ssh key |
| 18:25.13 | fas3r | no password |
| 18:25.14 | simonlnu | ls -ld /home/fas3r ? |
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| 18:25.59 | nossitron | http://www.howtogeek.com/wiki/Fixing_Authentication_refused:_bad_ownership_or_modes_for_directory |
| 18:26.05 | fas3r | simonlnu: 755 |
| 18:26.17 | fas3r | nossitron: i tried already :) |
| 18:26.17 | simonlnu | heh, ^^ |
| 18:26.32 | krababbel | jelly-home: OK, just asking because the /etc/sysctl.conf isn't empty. :) |
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| 18:26.36 | fas3r | who needs to be the owner of the authorized_key ? root ? |
| 18:26.42 | fas3r | or the user ? |
| 18:27.12 | krababbel | the user I think |
| 18:27.13 | fas3r | because for me i guess it doesn't matter till sshd can read the file.. |
| 18:27.15 | mdh | is there a way to tell aptitude to ignore suggests/reccomends? |
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| 18:27.39 | simonlnu | the user you're runnig from of course. if it's the system one (if there's such a thing) root |
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| 18:27.46 | krababbel | mdh: recommends yes, suggests aren't installed anyway |
| 18:27.46 | simonlnu | mdh: yes |
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| 18:28.05 | aaron | damn i just install with out X and still the same, freaking gray and black screen |
| 18:28.06 | aaron | damn |
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| 18:28.16 | simonlnu | unless you want 'em ;p |
| 18:28.16 | jelly-home | fas3r: both will work, as long as the file is not group or user writable or readable (ie. make it mode 0600) |
| 18:28.35 | fas3r | jelly-home: 600 already ... |
| 18:28.51 | jelly-home | fas3r: and ~/.ssh/ directory? |
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| 18:29.12 | fas3r | jelly-home: 6000 |
| 18:29.15 | fas3r | 600 sorry |
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| 18:29.36 | simonlnu | 6000? i'd wonder, heh |
| 18:29.45 | jelly-home | fas3r: pastebin the output of ls -ld / /home /home/fas3r /home/fas3r/ssh /home/fas3r/ssh/authorized_keys, please |
| 18:29.57 | aaron | anyone here knows which iso should i download for a sony vaio |
| 18:29.57 | aaron | ? |
| 18:30.02 | fas3r | jelly-home: |
| 18:30.03 | fas3r | ok |
| 18:30.07 | krababbel | jelly-home: mine are group readable |
| 18:30.18 | jelly-home | fas3r: directories, in general, need their x bit |
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| 18:30.47 | jelly-home | krababbel: that's not much of an issue |
| 18:31.08 | nossitron | http://blog.codefront.net/2007/02/28/debugging-ssh-public-key-authentication-problems/ |
| 18:31.14 | simonlnu | aaron: there is no "sony vaio" iso. you pick i386 or amd64 (if it supports that) |
| 18:31.36 | mdh | is there a way to tell aptitude to remove all broken packages? |
| 18:31.52 | cortman | apt-get install -f |
| 18:31.58 | cortman | will FIX broken packages |
| 18:32.12 | fas3r | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/E48yAU0W |
| 18:32.13 | cortman | if they're not needed then, apt-get autoremove will remove them |
| 18:32.41 | aaron | simonlnu oh http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Sony/Vaio/VPCEB1J1E |
| 18:32.42 | aaron | i was reading that |
| 18:32.47 | aaron | but it does not say about the iso |
| 18:33.07 | mdh | ok, apt-get install -f indicates nothing is needed to be done; aptitude install -f shows a lot of stuff that it wants installed that i removed on purpose |
| 18:34.09 | simonlnu | aaron: you jst need to have the non-free firmware, the xorg driver (radeon or radeonhd), and the kernel bits are already taken care of. |
| 18:34.13 | simonlnu | just* |
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| 18:34.20 | jelly-home | fas3r: you forgot / but I'll assume it's not the problem |
| 18:34.34 | aaron | simonlnu which iso does it bring the non-free firmware? |
| 18:34.38 | jelly-home | fas3r: that's not a mode 0600 on that file |
| 18:34.39 | fas3r | yes because with root it works |
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| 18:34.47 | Sally961 | Pokemon is getting banned in japan. see: http://tinyurl.com/9gwzvm9 |
| 18:34.49 | mdh | should I just ignore what aptitude wants to do? |
| 18:34.59 | jelly-home | !ops Sally961 spam |
| 18:34.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: Sally961 spam |
| 18:35.03 | simonlnu | aaron: easier to just do it via network. |
| 18:35.08 | cortman | I don't use aptitude mdh ; I can't say... |
| 18:35.18 | fas3r | jelly-home: yes it's because I root is the owner:group ... |
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| 18:35.23 | simonlnu | !non-free firmware |
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| 18:35.39 | streuner | what we do without you? |
| 18:35.44 | aaron | lol simonlnu |
| 18:35.50 | ws2k3 | hi i was wandering can i build a webpage php/javscript which shows the linux Top command ? |
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| 18:35.52 | jelly-home | fas3r: make it mode 0600, like I suggested, then try again |
| 18:35.52 | aaron | !non-free |
| 18:35.52 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:35.58 | fas3r | ok |
| 18:36.02 | cortman | Are you sure the packages are broken or just unnecessary mdh ? |
| 18:36.11 | fas3r | jelly-home: with root as owner and group ? |
| 18:36.23 | simonlnu | !tell aaron -about non-free sources |
| 18:36.45 | jelly-home | fas3r: I said it doesn't matter, so if you want to keep it root:root, it ought to work. |
| 18:36.49 | aaron | let's see |
| 18:36.53 | aaron | if this image works |
| 18:36.58 | fas3r | jelly-home: let see :) |
| 18:37.11 | mdh | cortman: in the aptitude gui it says they are broken, i think it might some part of the big package left that wants to reinstall them. I had gnome3 and kde installed and i removed them because i no longer use them, but aptitude seems to want parts from them back |
| 18:37.26 | mdh | cortman: as far as i know the system is working fine right now though |
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| 18:37.34 | simonlnu | personally i think it's user error rather than the iso. |
| 18:37.48 | aaron | simonlnu how can it be, |
| 18:38.19 | cortman | mdh, if you haven't tried autoremove try it and see if that clears it up for you. |
| 18:38.24 | aaron | i been using debian for a while but i change laptops, and i can't used it cause I'm having issues i install debian wheezy and on boot, i get a grey and black screen after installation and i can't see nothing at all |
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| 18:38.42 | krababbel | jelly-home: my authorized keys file is not 600. You and your link suggest it won't work without being 600. Why is that no issue please? |
| 18:39.02 | aaron | let's see about this image |
| 18:39.07 | streuner | aaron: what knoppix do on that laptop? |
| 18:39.29 | aaron | i hate knoppix |
| 18:39.32 | streuner | aaron: its using VESA or not |
| 18:39.36 | aaron | i was using, arch linux and it work fine |
| 18:39.47 | jelly-home | krababbel: shor answer: I oversimplified for the purpose of helping fas3r. What link? |
| 18:39.51 | tremon | krababbel: if your ~/.ssh directory is 0700, the permissions on the file don't really matter |
| 18:39.57 | krababbel | aravind: it reminds me of a sweet |
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| 18:40.03 | mdh | cortman: i just tried it in both apt-get and aptitude and aptitude gui still reports #Broken: 185 |
| 18:40.12 | krababbel | jelly-home: tremon : thanks a lot! |
| 18:40.18 | streuner | aaron: try grml then (/msg dpkg grml) |
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| 18:40.21 | aaron | and i miss freaking debian |
| 18:40.25 | jelly-home | grml++ |
| 18:40.57 | krababbel | it won't boot on my box |
| 18:41.07 | krababbel | crazy ACPI error |
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| 18:41.10 | jelly-home | the only thing it could do better is not use the silly vi bindkeys in shell |
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| 18:41.27 | cortman | Odd mdh ; what packages does it want to remove (pastebin)? |
| 18:41.27 | aaron | well I'm going to try it last time, if it does not work, then I'll be installing something else |
| 18:41.36 | mdh | lemme get that for you |
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| 18:42.50 | tremon | aaron: not sure which installer you're going to use, but the standard squeeze kernel won't work with the hd6320 (iirc), you need an installer with the kernel from backports or wheezy |
| 18:43.18 | aaron | I'm burning debian 6-0 |
| 18:43.21 | aaron | and let's see if this works |
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| 18:43.25 | streuner | no |
| 18:43.35 | streuner | aaron: listen more carefully to tremon |
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| 18:43.53 | aaron | tremon so which image do you say? i download? |
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| 18:44.09 | simonlnu | (he was told this yesterday. he said kmuto didn't work for him) |
| 18:44.10 | mdh | cortman: i just used apt-get to purge aptitude and reinstall it, and now it's not suggesting anything anymore |
| 18:44.18 | cortman | Aha! |
| 18:44.29 | mdh | why would doing that fix it? lol |
| 18:44.32 | streuner | simonlnu: well, kmuto using an 2.9 kernel, IIRC... |
| 18:44.33 | aaron | nope kmuto did not work either |
| 18:44.36 | cortman | Sounds like aptitude was the one that was broken mdh |
| 18:44.52 | tremon | aaron: I'm not sure if there are installers with the backports kernel, but I'd suggest trying the d-i testing installer in this case |
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| 18:45.14 | mdh | problem solved i guess lol, thanks for the help |
| 18:45.28 | streuner | well, in the past, d-i out of beta installers didnt use a 3.x kernel either... |
| 18:45.29 | tremon | aaron: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:45.38 | tremon | hmm... |
| 18:45.52 | cortman | glad it's fixed mdh - even if I wasn't much help. |
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| 18:46.41 | privat | Hi. I'm using anacron to automate a backup job. Is there a way to have anacron retry failed jobs ? |
| 18:47.00 | privat | (i'm backing up to an external hdd. but it should retry if the attached hdd wasnt attached) |
| 18:47.18 | privat | eh.. "the hdd wasnt attached" ;p |
| 18:47.24 | tremon | aaron: was the installer itself working for you? |
| 18:47.32 | abrotman | he parted |
| 18:47.37 | abrotman | well, got reset |
| 18:47.52 | streuner | forget it |
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| 18:49.23 | streuner | tremon: FYI, the new wheezy installer uses a 3.2 kernel |
| 18:49.42 | tremon | good :) |
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| 18:50.05 | streuner | tremon: i just asked #debian-boot |
| 18:50.20 | tremon | still, by default without non-free firmware, so our friend would need to install those manually |
| 18:50.23 | abrotman | i could have told you that ... |
| 18:50.28 | marienz | wheezy itself has been using a 3.2 kernel for a while now iirc, so that doesn't seem surprising? |
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| 18:51.18 | streuner | marienz: that was different in about 1-2 months, IIRC |
| 18:51.46 | marienz | perhaps my sense of time is malfunctioning, or perhaps d-i took a bit longer to switch kernels |
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| 18:51.59 | thewanderer1 | privat: you know, you could use a timestamped file that you'd check every, say, 1h, and update the timestamp only on success |
| 18:52.46 | privat | yeah. scripting it would work (and then use "normal" cron, or even put into rc.local). I was just hoping to have some "built-in" solution in anacron |
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| 18:53.03 | privat | but i guess i'll go with touching the "last-successful-backup" file :] |
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| 18:54.52 | skilz | Hey guys |
| 18:55.02 | skilz | I got CDE working http://i.imgur.com/uqHWG.png |
| 18:55.48 | abrotman | the horror! |
| 18:56.05 | skilz | Aha, it's actually really good, super fast, stable. |
| 18:56.19 | babilen | skilz: My condolences ... (Also: Do you need help?) |
| 18:56.20 | abrotman | lies |
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| 18:56.30 | skilz | Even though it's only Alpha phase. |
| 18:56.38 | privat | yeah.. i put that into anacron: while [ ! `rsnapshot daily` ]; do sleep 30m ; done |
| 18:56.52 | privat | ... |
| 18:56.54 | skilz | Maybe I should talk about this in #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:57.33 | skilz | Oh, I'm baned for some reason. |
| 18:57.48 | simonlnu | 'banned' |
| 18:57.57 | skilz | Sorry. |
| 18:58.13 | skilz | Someone unban me please? |
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| 19:06.16 | ZaSeal | hi |
| 19:06.24 | ZaSeal | how come i cant see wheel in group |
| 19:06.36 | ZaSeal | #/etc/group |
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| 19:07.08 | abrotman | !tell ZaSeal about wheel |
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| 19:08.17 | ZaSeal | k so i can jus use root |
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| 19:12.48 | ZaSeal | ok its not letting me su root w out a pass |
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| 19:15.20 | jhutchins_wk | ZaSeal: Maybe you ought to take a look at the man page and see how it's supposed to work. |
| 19:15.23 | inthl | I would like to create a startup script for a program that is supposed to be started in runlevel 2 and stopped when entering runlevel 0. For this I can (for runlevel 2) create a symbolic link in /etc/rc2.d/ named e.g. S50service pointing to /etc/init.d where a script is located - is that correct so far? |
| 19:16.06 | inthl | As far as I got that: that script has to be able to start the program by accepting the argument "start" and to stop it by accepting "stop" - so does init give these arguments to the script behind S50service ? |
| 19:16.54 | GNU\colossus | yes |
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| 19:16.59 | tremon | inthl: check /etc/init.d/skeleton, and man update-rc.d |
| 19:17.04 | inthl | so init 2 calls: `/etc/rc2.d/S50service start` |
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| 19:17.38 | tremon | inthl: to be fully exact, /etc/init.d/rc calls the start and stop scripts |
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| 19:18.01 | inthl | hm, thank you for the hints |
| 19:18.34 | inthl | so rc checks for the files in e.g. rc2.d and calls them, adding start when the symlink begins with S or stop when it begins with K |
| 19:18.37 | inthl | is that true? |
| 19:18.42 | reavengrey | Guys, I am a fucking linux guruuuuuu |
| 19:18.58 | reavengrey | I freaking went and uninstalled a bunch of core gnome stuff |
| 19:18.58 | reavengrey | and all that |
| 19:19.00 | reavengrey | like a fucking BOSS |
| 19:19.08 | reavengrey | ...really like a klutz |
| 19:19.10 | reavengrey | LOL |
| 19:19.13 | inthl | I just did not get it where it is documented that "start" or "stop" is added, but I noticed that all the inid.d-scripts are handling this |
| 19:19.28 | reavengrey | And now I am in a virtual terminal |
| 19:19.28 | reavengrey | How MANLY is that?? |
| 19:19.28 | ZaSeal | ok so debian requires extra pam module to su root w out pass? |
| 19:19.28 | inthl | reavengrey, how, rm -rf / ? |
| 19:19.33 | ZaSeal | unlike centos and such |
| 19:19.34 | streuner | uh |
| 19:19.52 | streuner | inthl: that isnt a good idea... |
| 19:19.53 | kesroesweyth | inthl I don't think it's cool to suggest that command ever in this channel |
| 19:19.56 | reavengrey | Well, more like, sudo apt-get remove network-manager libnm-glib2 and some other thigns related to gnome netowkr manager |
| 19:20.02 | reavengrey | And well |
| 19:20.05 | reavengrey | OTHER STUFF GOT PuLLED IN |
| 19:20.05 | reavengrey | LOL |
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| 19:20.14 | reavengrey | Next thing I knew |
| 19:20.16 | streuner | reavengrey: what did you smoke today? |
| 19:20.21 | reavengrey | I was removing brasero, gnome terminal |
| 19:20.29 | reavengrey | I think it was DAT CALI KUSH |
| 19:20.32 | reavengrey | lol |
| 19:20.32 | jhutchins_wk | ZaSeal: Dude, it's still linux, possibly with different package and configuration defaults. Read the man page. |
| 19:20.47 | reavengrey | But I was really quick on my feet too bro |
| 19:20.53 | reavengrey | I quickly copy-pasted |
| 19:21.00 | jhutchins_wk | reavengrey: Did you have a Debian support question? |
| 19:21.04 | reavengrey | The packages apt said it was removing and echod them into a file |
| 19:21.11 | reavengrey | Well no |
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| 19:21.16 | reavengrey | but I think this is hilarious xD |
| 19:21.29 | inthl | so just to repeat this (I can not test it right now but need it for later usage): rc calls `/etc/rc2.d/S50service start` when I put a symlink into rc2.d - so in other words: rc adds "start" or "stop" (in case of K50service) to the script behind that symlink, is that trrue? |
| 19:21.42 | reavengrey | Now I'm basically doing a sudo apt-get install `cat deps.txt` |
| 19:21.48 | jhutchins_wk | reavengrey: Fine, but this is technical support for debian, not hilarity. You might try #defocus or #debian-offtopic |
| 19:22.06 | reavengrey | :< |
| 19:22.09 | reavengrey | Kk lol |
| 19:22.45 | tremon | inthl: in short, yes |
| 19:22.58 | inthl | okay, thank you |
| 19:22.58 | jhutchins_wk | reavengrey: Thanks! |
| 19:23.26 | tremon | inthl: but it's not /every/ symlink, only those starting with S for entering a runlevel, and those with K for leaving a runlevel |
| 19:23.32 | reavengrey | :) |
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| 19:24.37 | inthl | yes, I got that |
| 19:24.38 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: I thought both S&K got run when entering, leaving meant entering a different level. |
| 19:24.50 | jhutchins_wk | In fact, I'm pretty sure of that. |
| 19:24.57 | inthl | is there a way to simluate or test it? e.g. by telling rc to start a script for runlevel 2 |
| 19:24.59 | inthl | a single one |
| 19:25.19 | inthl | so that I do not really need to enter runlevel 2 or 0 to see whether it works |
| 19:25.38 | jhutchins_wk | inthl: You can run the script directly, and if you use the template it should work with update-rc and other utils. |
| 19:25.54 | jhutchins_wk | inthl: Look at the other init scripts, read the docs. |
| 19:26.29 | jhutchins_wk | inthl: You also probably want to look at the documentation for upstart, since that's the way it's handled in squeeze & later. |
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| 19:27.51 | inthl | I am using wheezy |
| 19:28.38 | inthl | hm. is there a short tutorial somewehere for upstart? I do not have the time to study all the docs right now - I simly need some similar functionality to the described one, just starting/stopping a service in runlevel 2 and 0 |
| 19:28.59 | tremon | my memory is hazy on runlevel changes, but I thought that a runlevel change implies 1) running every K script from the current runlevel unless the new runlevel has a corresponding S script 2) actual runlevel change 3) running every S script from the current runlevel unless the old runlevel had a corresponding S script |
| 19:29.32 | tremon | inthl, jhutchins_wk: the default for wheezy is still sysvinit, but upstart and systemd are available as alternatives |
| 19:30.20 | inthl | yes, I thought that as well, I also doubt that this will be dropped in the near future |
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| 19:30.39 | tremon | however, both squeeze and wheezy default to dependency-based boot (unless coming from lenny iirc), which means every startup script requires an LSB header with proper dependencies |
| 19:30.46 | tremon | see man insserv and the like |
| 19:30.48 | inthl | additionally, I do not require any of the nice features in upstart - my requirements are fullfilled with sysvinit |
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| 19:31.15 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: init runs both the K and S scripts when starting a runlevel. It's not as meaningful in Debian as in more SysV compliant systems which use the different runlevels for different purposes. |
| 19:31.25 | tremon | ok thx :) |
| 19:31.42 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: For instance, when entering a runlevel meant to have no networking, you kill networking and any processes that depend on it. |
| 19:32.07 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: When entering the GUI, you used to need to kill the console mouse daemon. |
| 19:32.33 | jhutchins_wk | tremon: So going to runlevel 5 from 3 ran K##gpm |
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| 19:33.04 | jhutchins_wk | 6 or 0 have a killall script that cleans up anything that was forgotten. |
| 19:33.23 | inthl | tremon, I do strictly require an LSB header? can't I just use switch/case with start/stop to execute a command ..? |
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| 19:33.44 | tremon | inthl: you don't scrictly need it, but insserv might complain |
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| 19:34.00 | tremon | you get the header for free with /etc/init.d/skeleton, though |
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| 19:34.04 | inthl | hm |
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| 19:34.52 | inthl | ah I see |
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| 19:36.04 | inthl | thank you very much, that helped me out now. In that file I can use the header and drop the rest after END INIT INFO - correct? besides addind start/stop handling |
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| 19:36.39 | tremon | yes. the start/stop handling is in the file too, but you can probably discard most of it |
| 19:36.59 | inthl | yes, it looks to comlicated for now as well, considering that I need just basic stuff |
| 19:37.00 | tremon | it's a fully-furnished skeleton with kitchen sink :) |
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| 19:40.13 | inthl | hm. why is there a `# Do NOT "set -e"` ? the init script for for e.g. postgresql does execute set -e |
| 19:42.02 | mjt | where do you read this "do NOT set -e" ? |
| 19:42.15 | tremon | set -e kills the script at the first subcommand that returns an error. That's usually not what you want for init scripts |
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| 19:42.56 | mjt | well, at least it might be better to pretend that nothing happened |
| 19:43.12 | mjt | some shell constructs are difficult to check for errors properly |
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| 19:44.44 | dokma | how much headache would I get if I switched from squeeze to qheezy for my desktop right now? just a personal opinion? |
| 19:44.55 | tremon | btw the "do not set -e" is in /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 19:45.09 | mjt | qheezy? |
| 19:45.11 | streuner | dokma: none, iam using wheezy |
| 19:45.21 | tremon | dokma: are you currently using gnome2? |
| 19:45.27 | dokma | xfce4 |
| 19:45.34 | streuner | dokma: well, you are safe then |
| 19:45.52 | dokma | I see |
| 19:45.55 | dokma | thanks! |
| 19:45.58 | streuner | np |
| 19:46.02 | jelly-home | dokma: do you have a day or two to spend fixing stuff? |
| 19:46.05 | tremon | dokma: at least you won't encounter unsolvable problems then :) |
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| 19:46.28 | dokma | hmmm... I'm pondering that |
| 19:46.28 | cardory | ciao |
| 19:46.32 | cardory | hello |
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| 19:46.57 | cardory | !list |
| 19:46.57 | dpkg | cardory: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 19:47.32 | reavengrey | Kk gaiz, thanks to fast thinking I've got my desktop env back |
| 19:47.32 | reavengrey | REAL COMPTON CITY Gs |
| 19:47.37 | dokma | anyone knows when might wheezy become stable? |
| 19:47.51 | streuner | dokma: when its ready |
| 19:48.05 | dokma | so no fixed or approx date? |
| 19:48.10 | tremon | !when |
| 19:48.10 | dpkg | Now! |
| 19:48.15 | tremon | lol |
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| 19:51.38 | ompaul | dokma: approx within the time from now until the end of the universe, look back in 6 months and ask how many RC bugs are there |
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| 19:51.57 | jelly-home | !wheezy pool 1 |
| 19:51.57 | dpkg | ! jelly=2013-05-07 comps=2013-02-20 ml|=2013-06-13 chealer=2012-12-20 jordanm=2013-08-21 peterrooney=2013-02-08 Arrowmaster=2012-12-12 simonrvn=2013-03-23 themill=2013-03-15 abrotman=2013-06-01 |
| 19:52.05 | abrotman | hi ? |
| 19:52.16 | jelly-home | dokma: add your own date! /msg dpkg wheezy bet |
| 19:52.30 | tremon | such pessimists... |
| 19:52.44 | jelly-home | tremon: add your own date! /msg dpkg wheezy bet |
| 19:52.57 | streuner | tremon: it only helps if some people provocate debian ;-) |
| 19:53.42 | streuner | tremon: it was several years ago, some people provocated debian, suddently all people fixed all bugs then ;-) |
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| 19:54.34 | tremon | so, in order to hasten the wheezy release, I should bet on a 2014 release date? |
| 19:54.40 | streuner | they said, debian is dead... |
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| 19:54.48 | streuner | nah |
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| 19:56.44 | streuner | tremon: just help to fix rc-bugs... |
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| 19:56.53 | johndo | dokma: be prepared to resolve some stuff manually with dpkg when you upgrade to wheezy (depending on what packages you have installed on your system) |
| 19:57.15 | dokma | johndo: ok, thanks for that |
| 19:57.22 | reavengrey | K, so I have a question: I'd like to upgrade my kernel from the Squeeze 2.6.32-5-amd to a later version, because the driver for my wifi card has some improvements in later kernels that I would really appreciate having |
| 19:57.38 | reavengrey | Can I have a link to some documentation for how to get up-to-date kernel packages for debain? |
| 19:57.41 | reavengrey | *debian |
| 19:57.42 | tremon | !tell reavengrey about bdo |
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| 19:58.39 | jelly-home | there's also a ready "bdo kernel" factoid |
| 19:58.51 | tremon | !tell tremon about bdo kernel |
| 19:58.52 | tremon | ;) |
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| 19:59.52 | reavengrey | Thanks |
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| 19:59.57 | FDFlock | Hi! Quick question: Is Squeeze Grub 1.x or Grub 2.x? |
| 20:00.07 | jelly-home | FDFlock: 2 |
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| 20:00.15 | FDFlock | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 20:00.24 | jelly-home | with caveat |
| 20:01.01 | jelly-home | FDFlock: you can still install grub-legacy if you want |
| 20:01.15 | jelly-home | or extlinux |
| 20:01.21 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Would installing grub-legacy be safe? (=NOT change system MBR/booting) |
| 20:01.25 | abrotman | wtf did aaron go |
| 20:01.34 | FDFlock | jelly-home: I need it for a USB stick |
| 20:01.49 | jhutchins_wk | FDFlock: grub-legacy is grub 0.x btw. |
| 20:01.55 | FDFlock | oh |
| 20:02.00 | jhutchins_wk | AFIK there never was a 1.x |
| 20:02.14 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I don't know whether you can avoid forcing its installation |
| 20:02.25 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk: I just checked, 1.x is Grub 2! |
| 20:02.30 | FDFlock | heh |
| 20:02.32 | streuner | abrotman: installing arch :-/ |
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| 20:02.51 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk: 1.98 in Squeeze |
| 20:02.53 | jelly-home | FDFlock: and yet everyone understood what you wrote |
| 20:02.56 | abrotman | okay |
| 20:03.07 | FDFlock | :) |
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| 20:04.03 | jelly-home | FDFlock: I'm not certain whether a mere installation forces a rewrite or makes the current bootloader unusable in some other way. |
| 20:04.10 | jelly-home | think not |
| 20:04.45 | FDFlock | jelly-home: Yeah, I've always found Grub updates a bit scary |
| 20:05.25 | FDFlock | especially Grub 2 has become needlessly complex, which is the reason that I want to avoid it for my USB stick |
| 20:05.41 | reavengrey | Thanks, installing kernel 3.2 now |
| 20:06.49 | jhutchins_wk | FDFlock: Yeah, but squeeze defaults to 2. |
| 20:07.04 | jhutchins_wk | LILO FTW! |
| 20:07.09 | reavengrey | prefers GrUB 0.97 himself |
| 20:07.29 | FDFlock | Grub1 FTW! (if you don't need ext4 booting and such stuff) |
| 20:07.33 | FDFlock | agrees |
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| 20:08.13 | jelly-home | grub + ext4 patches! |
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| 20:18.59 | bitonic | how can I list the packages that no packages depend on? |
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| 20:21.05 | Iridos | jhutchins_wk, LILO always was a bit scary :) |
| 20:21.13 | sney | bitonic: deborphan |
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| 20:22.25 | Iridos | are you sure? I think that only looks for libraries that don't depend on anything |
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| 20:23.58 | johndo | bitonic: try aptitude search '!?reverse-depends(~i) ~i' |
| 20:24.42 | bitonic | johndo: uhm, that does not seem to work. I've found this: http://serverfault.com/questions/133681/generating-a-list-of-installed-packages-in-ubuntu browsing around |
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| 20:26.54 | johndo | bitonic: if you also want to filter out suggested and recommended packages it might get a bit more complex ;) |
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| 20:30.04 | bitonic | mhm. I just want to do some spring cleaning but the list of all packages is daunting :). |
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| 20:31.43 | johndo | bitonic: try this: aptitude search '!?reverse-depends(~i) !?reverse-recommends(~i) !?reverse-suggests(~i) ~i' |
| 20:31.52 | johndo | not sure if the list is really what you want |
| 20:31.55 | simple | There is an error in the ftpsync script in the ftpsync tarball on www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
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| 20:44.30 | reavengrey | K, if I wanted to build a customer kernel for Debian, how could I go about doing that? Backports only has 2.6.32 and 3.<something> |
| 20:44.42 | reavengrey | I need something around 2.6.37 for my driver |
| 20:44.51 | reavengrey | And 3.<whatever is there> doesn't work on my laptop |
| 20:45.19 | reavengrey | I get a corrupted screen image on boot when it gets to the login screen -- just ablack screen with corrupted particles in the middle |
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| 20:45.35 | barxool | Does anyone know how to configure gdm3 so that messages written by pam_prompt() does not appear as a pop-up but as a line of text in the main window ? |
| 20:45.40 | reavengrey | Basically, I need to either find a 2.6.36 package, or I need a link to an article abuot building a custom kernel |
| 20:45.53 | barxool | I hate pop-up because they have to be clicked to go away |
| 20:46.02 | barxool | and they are useless for pam messages |
| 20:46.15 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell reavengrey about snapshot |
| 20:46.19 | tremon | reavengrey: install kernel-package and read man make-kpkg |
| 20:46.52 | reavengrey | thanks |
| 20:46.59 | mmnicolas | reavengrey: have you tried disabling KMS with 3.2.0 ? |
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| 20:47.24 | mmnicolas | it's worth trying a few things before jumping the big guns |
| 20:47.25 | reavengrey | See, I'm pretty ok with linux, but I have zero idea how to do that kind of thing |
| 20:47.43 | reavengrey | So I'm trying to avoid whatever that is by just getting something close to the exact version I need |
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| 20:47.58 | reavengrey | The broadcom wifi driver was introduced in kernel 2.6.37 |
| 20:48.02 | reavengrey | Squeeze is 2.6.32 |
| 20:48.17 | mmnicolas | reavengrey: what is that video chipset ? |
| 20:48.24 | reavengrey | And the 3.<whatever> in backports doesn't work for me |
| 20:48.30 | reavengrey | I have here a Radeon HD |
| 20:48.35 | reavengrey | ATI/AMD |
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| 20:48.57 | reavengrey | It's working in 2.6.32, so the problem is probably incompatibility with the version of X installed in my debian userspace |
| 20:49.17 | reavengrey | Or something like that that I have no expereince with -- I figure that if I can just geta 2.6.37 package |
| 20:49.20 | reavengrey | I'll be ok |
| 20:49.21 | mmnicolas | reavengrey: I'd try booting with radeon.modeset=0 on 3.2.0 |
| 20:49.38 | reavengrey | What effect is that expected to have? |
| 20:49.49 | mmnicolas | reavengrey: maybe not messing up your display |
| 20:50.20 | reavengrey | No, I have general kernel design knowledge, and I can understand a conceptual explanation of what it is expected to do; I'm just not good with LINUX |
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| 20:50.26 | reavengrey | But I'm a kernel developer |
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| 20:51.31 | reavengrey | W/e, forget understanding, I'll just do it, Idc at this point, this new laptop is giving me hell |
| 20:51.35 | mmnicolas | what am I gonna reply to this.. |
| 20:51.53 | reavengrey | You just say, "modeset=0" is supposed to cause the driver to do X Y and Z |
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| 20:52.11 | reavengrey | So I have an idea what you're trying to have me try, and I can also read about it in general before trying it |
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| 20:52.26 | tremon | reavengrey: do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? |
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| 20:52.34 | mmnicolas | you can just hit TAB at the boot menu to edit the line that begins with "linux" and add "radeon.modeset=0" this will prevent KMS from kicking on |
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| 20:52.48 | reavengrey | Re: Nope, the only firmware I ahve installed is the broadcom wifi firmware |
| 20:52.54 | trysten | so i'm messing with a logical volume. running fsck /dev/c/c works. it checks out fine. but mount /dev/c/c /mnt/tmp fails with wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock etc etc. what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:53.04 | reavengrey | K, thanks mnicolas |
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| 20:53.32 | tremon | try installing that (from backports), maybe it helps. I don't expect it to, since your had no issues with the squeeze kernel, but better to just try |
| 20:53.49 | reavengrey | Kk, thanks |
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| 20:54.10 | curio99 | hello |
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| 20:54.33 | curio99 | i am using debian unstable |
| 20:54.49 | Iridos | ok, you named the problem |
| 20:55.03 | mmnicolas | haha |
| 20:55.04 | curio99 | having a problem with localhost problem |
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| 20:55.43 | curio99 | lo interface does not come up on boot |
| 20:55.56 | curio99 | ifconfig shows no lo interface |
| 20:56.06 | curio99 | eth0 interface ok |
| 20:56.23 | curio99 | networkmanager starts normally |
| 20:56.41 | curio99 | any ideas? |
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| 20:57.00 | mmnicolas | is the module loaded ? (lsmod | grep loop) |
| 20:57.19 | curio99 | yes loop loaded |
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| 20:57.31 | curio99 | sudo ifconfig lo up |
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| 20:57.41 | curio99 | corrects the problem |
| 20:57.46 | reavengrey | mmnicolas: and tremon , thanks |
| 20:57.53 | reavengrey | The radeon.modeset=0 option worked |
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| 20:58.11 | reavengrey | I'm able to boot into a working graphical environment now, and the broadcom driver comes with this kernel, as expected |
| 20:58.17 | reavengrey | Problem solved |
| 20:58.32 | reavengrey | I'll read up on the kernel modesetting stuff, thanks again |
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| 20:58.43 | tremon | reavengrey: be aware, with modeset=0 you have no 3d acceleration iirc |
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| 20:58.50 | reavengrey | Ah, yay |
| 20:58.56 | reavengrey | Anyway, I only use linux for coding |
| 20:59.03 | reavengrey | I do most other stuff on windows |
| 20:59.09 | reavengrey | Peace all |
| 20:59.15 | mmnicolas | reavengrey: sweet, tremon's way is still worth trying, if you don't get any special benefits from using a backported kernel, might as well run 2.6.32 (although there is some nice stuff in 3.2) |
| 20:59.43 | rgr | curio99: did you wipe your interfaces file or otherwise modify it? you cant manually configure interfaces and expect networkmanager to work |
| 20:59.52 | rgr | they are not compatible |
| 20:59.54 | reavengrey | nods |
| 20:59.59 | mmnicolas | reavengrey: yea, he's right about that too, unless you plan on using fglrx which iirc doesn't require KMS |
| 21:00.14 | curio99 | how can i do that? |
| 21:00.24 | mmnicolas | fglrx being the proprietary driver |
| 21:00.36 | curio99 | i did not intentionally modified eny network setting |
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| 21:01.47 | reavengrey | Well, tbh I have yet to read properly on any of that stuff, so that I have a desktop is adequate for now -- I can get work done :I |
| 21:02.10 | mmnicolas | oh apparently only nouveau requires KMS, you should be fine |
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| 21:02.49 | trysten | ffff |
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| 21:04.06 | curio99 | how can i start localhost network interface automatically on boot? |
| 21:04.25 | mmnicolas | curio99: you have "auto lo" in etc/network/interfaces right ? |
| 21:04.51 | simple | There is an error in the ftpsync script in the ftpsync tarball on www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror - Line 354 Column 126 of /etc/ftpsync needs another hyphen |
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| 21:05.12 | curio99 | the file contains those lines but they are commented out |
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| 21:05.38 | aPpYe | is it possible to disable the update manager prompt about whether or not to perform a safe upgrade? |
| 21:05.46 | fprophet | how do I uninstall / purge a package that is located in /usr/bin? |
| 21:05.59 | curio99 | normally network manager conflicts with it |
| 21:06.36 | mmnicolas | curio99: ah.. right, sorry im a workstation guy |
| 21:06.52 | mmnicolas | curio99: networkmanager is responsible for that then |
| 21:07.06 | curio99 | i think so |
| 21:07.12 | Artemis3 | curio99, you must NEVER comment those lines, network manager doesn't touch localhost |
| 21:07.24 | curio99 | but lo does not come up automatically |
| 21:07.37 | curio99 | i can start it with ifconfig easily |
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| 21:08.24 | mmnicolas | Artemis3: yea I remember it alters network/interfaces |
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| 21:09.15 | infinity0 | is there a way i can run a command with a modified view of the filesystem, without actually changing the filesystem? |
| 21:09.21 | Artemis3 | actually, if something is defined in /etc/network/interfaces, by default, network manager ignores that nic. |
| 21:09.35 | curio99 | yes |
| 21:09.41 | infinity0 | for example, i want to run git but have it ignore ".git/info/exclude" but i don't want to change the actual filesystem because it's a critical process |
| 21:10.02 | infinity0 | (if it weren't critical, i would chmod -r .git/info/exclude and chmod +r after the command) |
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| 21:10.20 | infinity0 | is there a way for me to temporarily alter a single process's view of a filesystem like that, without actually making the real change |
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| 21:13.56 | fprophet | how do I remove / purge a package that is located in /usr/bin |
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| 21:15.18 | johndo | fprophet: you mean a file in /usr/bin which belongs to a package? |
| 21:15.46 | fprophet | johndo: maybe. i have no idea. im fairly new to linux |
| 21:15.50 | curio99 | thank you all |
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| 21:16.25 | johndo | fprophet: search for the package which the file belongs to: dpkg -S /usr/bin/your_file |
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| 21:16.54 | johndo | and then remove the package found by that command with your favourite package manager (apt-get / aptitude / ..) |
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| 21:17.37 | johndo | you may want to look what that package is before you remove it with: dpkg -s packagename |
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| 21:19.20 | fprophet | alright |
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| 21:23.15 | fprophet | johndo: thanks, that seems to have worked :) |
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| 21:36.00 | trysten | ok i don't get this |
| 21:36.16 | trysten | i can run fsck on my volumegroup, but i can't mount it. what is going on? |
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| 21:37.10 | tremon | trysten: fsck doesn't use the kernel fs module. missing modules? |
| 21:37.16 | tremon | cat /proc/filesystems |
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| 21:37.58 | tremon | also, can't mount? did you misspell the command? |
| 21:38.10 | trysten | ext3/4 are listed. running cfdisk /dev/c/c says it's ext3 |
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| 21:38.30 | trysten | i'm doing `# mount /dev/c/c /mnt/tmp` |
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| 21:39.19 | tremon | ... and the system responds with an error message... ? |
| 21:39.30 | trysten | dang. it does. sorry i didn't notice that. bad blocksize. |
| 21:40.00 | tremon | cute... that's a weird error, I thought that should be auto-detected |
| 21:40.04 | inthl | when creating symlinks in rc.*d to add some start/stop procedures, do I need to execute a command afterwars to tell the system that there was a change? |
| 21:40.27 | inthl | I just created some symlinks there and nothing appeared to be executed after changing the init level |
| 21:40.45 | cesium | Hi, I'll soon receive a new extra HD. I was wondering which raid1 setup is better - md + ext4 or btrfs. For now, I lean towards the former on reliability grounds, but the second setup is closer to what I really want (and would avoid a second unnecessary copy of data to the first hd)... |
| 21:40.54 | trysten | i'm trying to extract the data from this volumegroup. i can't reformat it. EXT3-fs (dm-0): error: bad blocksize 16384 |
| 21:41.17 | tremon | was it formatted on a different/newer system? |
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| 21:41.35 | tremon | blocksize is usually 4k, not 16 |
| 21:41.54 | trysten | it's from an appliance, actually :( |
| 21:42.35 | tremon | inthl: if using dependency-based boot, the symlinks may not be enough, you may need to run insserv |
| 21:43.05 | inthl | hm, yes, just figured that out. having the LSB header, insserv would create everything by default, true? |
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| 21:43.32 | tremon | I'm not that familiar with it, but basically, yes |
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| 21:43.45 | cesium | http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v3.5.1/Documentation/filesystems/ext2.txt doesn't even mention 16kb blocksize.. (and 8kb sizes are restricted) |
| 21:43.54 | cesium | Maybe some fuse variant could read that? |
| 21:44.01 | tremon | trysten: uh oh... closed appliance? |
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| 21:44.35 | tremon | fears some vendor may have added its own ext3 extensions |
| 21:44.53 | trysten | ugh. yeah just found out it's some crazy sparc thing or whatever |
| 21:45.20 | tremon | I'd ask in #linux or maybe even lkml about this |
| 21:45.36 | cesium | Wouldn't they be required to publish their changes under the GPL? It must be code-documented somewhere... |
| 21:45.47 | trysten | fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu |
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| 21:46.01 | tremon | cesium: true, but they're not obligated to maintain their patches against newer kernels |
| 21:46.25 | tremon | so if the appliance is ancient, chances are that even if you get your hands on the patches, they won't apply |
| 21:46.27 | cesium | Yeah, but at least we'll know what we're dealing with... |
| 21:46.35 | tremon | true |
| 21:46.44 | cesium | (And running the old kernel in a VM should be possible) |
| 21:47.17 | trysten | fuseext2 worked. apparently it's unstable though. |
| 21:47.24 | tremon | assuming you can emulate the appliance cpu, which trysten said may have been a sparc (leon?) thing |
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| 21:47.40 | trysten | the kernel limitation is apparently a limitation of memory page size |
| 21:48.06 | tremon | yes, max block size = page allocation unit, which is 4kB on most architectures |
| 21:48.13 | cesium | I doubt they added asm code... More likely to be general-CPU C code. But I see there's a better solution now |
| 21:48.30 | trysten | what is the better solution |
| 21:48.36 | cesium | fuse I guess? |
| 21:48.49 | cesium | Easier to run, and I guess you need only read-only? |
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| 21:49.28 | tremon | I'd go with fuse to pull the data off, then reformat as 4kB. Chances are the appliance will handle smaller blocksizes fine |
| 21:49.37 | trysten | right. |
| 21:50.02 | tremon | will be way faster than trying to hunt the vendor's patch and trying to build a patched kernel |
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| 21:51.39 | infinity0 | aha, to answer my own question from earlier, http://glandium.org/blog/?p=217 |
| 21:51.47 | tremon | trysten: just out of interest, what appliance/vendor? |
| 21:52.06 | trysten | damaged Ready NAS |
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| 21:52.30 | trysten | from netgear. it's sparc. |
| 21:52.55 | sney | neat. |
| 21:53.23 | movl | :x |
| 21:53.41 | tremon | well they've been shopping around. I've already seen readynas models with mips and arm cpu's, now sparc too? |
| 21:53.48 | tremon | must be fun to work there |
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| 21:57.09 | tremon | it appears so... duo => Infrant sparc, duo v2 => Marvell arm, ultra 2 => Atom x86 |
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| 21:59.36 | tremon | trysten: http://www.rnasguide.com/2010/08/23/unofficial-guide-for-moving-from-sparc-readynas-to-x86-readynas/#more-30 |
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| 22:00.42 | ZaSeal | so pam module needs to be installed? |
| 22:00.51 | ZaSeal | is it bad for security |
| 22:01.09 | tremon | ZaSeal: you want passwordless root access and you're worried about security? |
| 22:01.33 | tremon | btw what's wrong with using sudo? |
| 22:02.37 | ZaSeal | so anoyng |
| 22:02.48 | ZaSeal | also sudo doesnt work for some stuff |
| 22:02.51 | ZaSeal | like ls |
| 22:03.12 | r0tha | if you're sudo'ing ls shouldn't you just be root? |
| 22:03.38 | themill | (and in what way does sudo not work with ls) |
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| 22:09.50 | ZaSeal | iono |
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| 22:10.02 | ZaSeal | jus doesnt |
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| 22:28.19 | Mysterytrain | what do i need to master my own debian iso? |
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| 22:32.31 | linuxuz3r_ | !gnome3 |
| 22:32.32 | dpkg | GNOME 3 is the new and not yet complete version of the GNOME desktop environment. Bits of it are starting to work their way into Debian testing and wheezy will release with it. See http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.2-status.html for details. Also ask me about <install gnome>, <gnome-shell>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2011/04/msg00111.html |
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| 22:40.03 | thnee | any tips on how I can list all files recursively, that has extended attributes? (like what getfattr shows) |
| 22:41.12 | Mysterytrain | you mean like ls -R ? |
| 22:41.45 | thnee | the reason is rather obscure (to me atleast): osx accessed files via AFP and added extended attributes containing ':', and windows apparently doesnt like that when I access it over samba |
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| 22:42.18 | thnee | Mysterytrain: yes, that is the meaning of recursive? |
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| 22:43.01 | Mysterytrain | ls -aR will list attributes into sub directories. wasn't sure if you meant on the command line or something else. |
| 22:43.29 | thnee | umm |
| 22:44.04 | thnee | Mysterytrain: neither -a or -R lists extened attributes? |
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| 22:44.38 | thnee | as far as I can tell from man ls, ls isnt aware of extended attributes at all? |
| 22:44.46 | mmnicolas | thnee: a live iso ? |
| 22:44.53 | thnee | say what now |
| 22:45.14 | Mysterytrain | ah. I see what you're after. no -a doesn't do that. my bad |
| 22:45.16 | thnee | I'm talking about a regular file system here |
| 22:45.16 | mmnicolas | sorry, I meant Mysterytrain |
| 22:46.03 | Mysterytrain | mmnicolas: what i want to do is install debian ina vm, build the stuff I want into it and then build an iso for install ont bare metal somewhere. |
| 22:46.18 | thnee | man find doesn't mention "extended" or "attributes" either.. :( |
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| 22:47.32 | themill | thnee: lsattr has a -R option |
| 22:47.33 | mmnicolas | Mysterytrain: Preseeding, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 22:49.31 | fprophet | I used aptitude remove wine and now whenever I try the wine command I get -bash: /usrbin/wine: No such file or directory |
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| 22:49.45 | fprophet | how can I fix this so that bash would just said command not found |
| 22:50.03 | WALoeIII | how do I read the syslog of an installer that has failed partitioning |
| 22:50.06 | fprophet | I just compiled wine 1.5.10 and tried make install, but /wine gives me that error |
| 22:50.15 | fprophet | i mean wine gives me that error |
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| 22:50.43 | themill | fprophet: hash -r |
| 22:52.41 | fprophet | oh, thank you |
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| 23:14.10 | joar | Hey, I have an LVM problem, I reduced /dev/mapper/belz-home while it was unmounted. resized /dev/mapper/belz-root while it was online, after a reboot /dev/mapper/belz-root is still the same size and fsck says /dev/mapper/belz-home is broken. |
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| 23:14.32 | daemon | hey all im trying to mirror and having a few problems setting up |
| 23:14.52 | daemon | to add to the stress, the instructions in ftpync and the website are different |
| 23:15.24 | mmnicolas | aPpYe: I think what you need is option "metamodes" |
| 23:15.41 | mmnicolas | in the screen section |
| 23:17.03 | aPpYe | mmnicolas, so google metamodes... |
| 23:17.06 | aPpYe | okay. |
| 23:18.01 | mmnicolas | aPpYe: like that, http://paste.debian.net/183447/ |
| 23:18.40 | aPpYe | mmnicolas, I will try that thanks! |
| 23:19.05 | joar | Can I do anything more to give you a better understanding of my problem? |
| 23:20.11 | mmnicolas | joar: unmount and retry on belz-root ? |
| 23:20.37 | mmnicolas | like it altered the partition but not the partition table |
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| 23:21.00 | daemon | just a little help would go a long way all I really need to get going is the basic tools I think |
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| 23:21.10 | daemon | but even those seem to have complaints |
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| 23:23.01 | mmnicolas | daemon: have you considered tools such as apt-cache-ng ? do you really want a full mirror ? |
| 23:23.18 | daemon | mmaton|offline, the server im using to mirror is not debian |
| 23:23.36 | daemon | and I want a mirror of amd64 |
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| 23:24.00 | mmnicolas | to speed up further installations ? |
| 23:24.04 | daemon | yes |
| 23:24.09 | daemon | well its kind of a two way street |
| 23:24.17 | mmnicolas | so.. have you considered things like apt-cache-ng ? ;) |
| 23:24.17 | daemon | I am opening up my own hosting provider I want to keep two constant mirrors active |
| 23:24.20 | daemon | one will be a snapshot |
| 23:24.23 | mmnicolas | ah ok |
| 23:24.30 | daemon | and one will be testing |
| 23:24.45 | daemon | mmaton|offline, I have no idea howto install apt-cache-ng -_- |
| 23:24.51 | daemon | or any apt-* tools for that matter |
| 23:25.10 | joar | mmnicolas: I'm in #lvm atm. Hope they can help. Thank you :) |
| 23:25.30 | daemon | mmnicolas, so yep :) not sure what to do lol or really evne who to ask |
| 23:26.13 | daemon | I could just use WGET I suppose but that is apparently not a good thing to do (according to debian docs) |
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| 23:28.21 | mmnicolas | joar: let me know how if you fix it, if theses tools let you do such things, it's probably not fatal |
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| 23:29.15 | aPpYe | mmnicolas, this machine still keeps coming up in vga resolution ... |
| 23:29.36 | aPpYe | I don't know where to begin. |
| 23:29.41 | mmnicolas | daemon: you've been reading this ls |
| 23:30.08 | mmnicolas | debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror right ? |
| 23:30.20 | daemon | mmnicolas, yes |
| 23:30.25 | mmnicolas | ls |
| 23:30.26 | daemon | and I downloaded a script from there ... |
| 23:30.26 | unforgiven512 | Ok, so the testing freeze is going on. What exactly is holding back zoneminder? I've checked here, and it does not indicate anything that'd be holding it back... http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=zoneminder |
| 23:30.27 | mmnicolas | damn |
| 23:30.42 | daemon | ftpsync |
| 23:30.46 | daemon | but that fails to operate correctly |
| 23:31.29 | themill | unforgiven512: http://packages.qa.debian.org/z/zoneminder.html is much more useful |
| 23:32.12 | themill | ,bug 657407 |
| 23:32.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/657407 in zoneminder (open): «zoneminder: Mysql CREATE command denied to user 'zmuser'@'localhost' for table 'Logs'»; severity: serious; opened: 2012-01-26; last modified: 2012-08-10. |
| 23:34.24 | unforgiven512 | See, that's just not incredibly clear as to the fact that that bug is holding it back. It states that it would introduce that bug, but not that that bug is holding it back. |
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| 23:35.03 | unforgiven512 | So basically, we need a patch for that bug, and it'd be eligible to enter? |
| 23:35.34 | themill | introducing bugs is *the* main thing that prevents migration. |
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| 23:38.24 | unforgiven512 | I figured if it were to interfere with ANOTHER package, that'd be a show-stopper; however, the package was already present, and then removed. That's why it threw me off. Doesn't look like too serious of a bug, though. |
| 23:38.34 | unforgiven512 | Does it have to wait another 10 days AFTER the bug is fixed? |
| 23:39.14 | themill | at least |
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| 23:41.59 | unforgiven512 | ahh |
| 23:42.10 | unforgiven512 | Looks like I'll be running it in my squeeze VM for now |
| 23:42.25 | unforgiven512 | Trying to get it running on a pogoplug...but squeeze won't run on said pogoplug |
| 23:42.54 | fabiobik | how to port 32 bit packages to arm? |
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| 23:49.50 | daemon | is there anyway to just mirror the apt repositories |
| 23:49.55 | daemon | I dont want to mirror the installer and things |
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| 23:50.54 | abrotman | daemon: why mirror at all? what's wrong with a proxy? |
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| 23:51.24 | daemon | abrotman, I am setting up for a host provider that wants a snapshot of the amd64 package repo that they can use as an install base for there fleet of servers |
| 23:51.45 | daemon | as well as this they want a secondary repo that they can use as a 'testing' base for when they want to update packages across the server fleet |
| 23:52.01 | daemon | im just having a nightmare getting the mirroring actually setup |
| 23:52.03 | abrotman | daemon: a proxy would likely be better, especially if the systems are similar |
| 23:52.15 | abrotman | i mean, really, a proxy is a much smarter method |
| 23:52.21 | daemon | abrotman, im thinking a proxy is like squid? |
| 23:52.24 | abrotman | unless you have a need for a large set of the 30k packages .. |
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| 23:52.35 | abrotman | daemon: approx, apt-cacher-ng, etc |
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| 23:53.03 | daemon | abrotman, as long as they can get a squeeze repo that is frozen ( no updates) and one that is kept in constant sync that they can test system upgrades against |
| 23:53.04 | abrotman | !tell daemon about approx |
| 23:53.05 | daemon | if it works im game |
| 23:53.16 | abrotman | daemon: frozen why? |
| 23:53.25 | abrotman | those updates are security and stability updates |
| 23:53.45 | abrotman | daemon: if that's really what they need, give them a set of DVDs :) |
| 23:54.04 | daemon | abrotman, they want it so they can freeze the repo as it is right this second so (repo A) and use that as the installation method |
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| 23:54.23 | daemon | they then want a second server that they can update or track rom so they might have it updated 3 months from now |
| 23:54.39 | daemon | they will try one server using the second repo and see if the update apply cleanly |
| 23:54.51 | daemon | kinda like a testing branch |
| 23:55.00 | colock | apt-cacher-ng + virtual machines + preseed file (+apache) == wonders daemon |
| 23:55.09 | daemon | colock, only issue is all the companies file servers are freebsd |
| 23:55.20 | abrotman | daemon: also note, snapshot.debian.net could resolve a lot of these concerns |
| 23:55.23 | colock | daemon: sl |
| 23:55.26 | colock | daemon: so what? |
| 23:55.40 | daemon | colock, apt-cacher-ng I assumed would be a debian/linux application |
| 23:55.50 | daemon | abrotman, checking it now |
| 23:55.50 | colock | well, use squid instead |
| 23:56.18 | colock | if really is impossible to make it (easely) run on bsd |
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| 23:56.57 | daemon | abrotman, snapshot will be perfect for the install candidates can easily select which release to use, |
| 23:57.09 | daemon | ah its monthly too |
| 23:57.10 | daemon | perfect |
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| 23:57.26 | daemon | no its daily |
| 23:57.30 | abrotman | daemon: perhaps your client should read more about "The meaning of Stable" |
| 23:58.02 | abrotman | daemon: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting#s-updatestable |
| 23:58.54 | daemon | ty abrotman |
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