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| 00:03.36 | abrotman | daemon: that FAQ is a bit misleading, there are sometimes fixes for RC bugs |
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| 00:05.44 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 00:09.00 | brainsoft | hi, i have a wav file (9 seconds) how can I isolate the different noises on there? any idea of a program for linux? |
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| 00:09.33 | MikeekiM | anybody have experience with LSI webbios hw raid? |
| 00:11.06 | mmnicolas | brainsoft: audacity ? |
| 00:11.31 | gnarface | brainsoft: you can just cut them up with ffmpeg or avconv if you know the exact times you want to slice at... |
| 00:11.42 | gnarface | brainsoft: audacity has a gui though |
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| 00:11.57 | mmnicolas | with nice waveforms |
| 00:12.23 | brainsoft | thank you ill try |
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| 00:29.13 | eevar | I'm running xdm/xmonad on wheezy. how do I launch xscreensaver? |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | type it in |
| 00:29.43 | eevar | well, along with X, not manually |
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| 00:37.16 | fabiobik | hi guys |
| 00:37.21 | fabiobik | this could be a stupid question |
| 00:37.28 | fabiobik | netboot/netboot.tar.gz where i can find? |
| 00:37.35 | mmnicolas | eevar: ~/.xinitrc ? |
| 00:37.42 | fabiobik | Download netboot/netboot.tar.gz from a Debian mirror |
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| 00:38.32 | gnarface | fabiobik: that sounds like it came from out-dated documentation. probably you want http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 00:38.48 | gnarface | could be wrong |
| 00:39.21 | fabiobik | yep you wrong |
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| 00:39.38 | fabiobik | i want to install debian from local network |
| 00:39.48 | mmnicolas | fabiobik: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
| 00:40.19 | fabiobik | squeeze its the lastest version? |
| 00:40.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:40.28 | mmnicolas | fabiobik: latest stable |
| 00:40.37 | pparadis | !tell fabiobik about releases |
| 00:40.39 | gnarface | fabiobik: links to that are on the page i linked you too so ... i think i was not wrong |
| 00:40.56 | gnarface | not completely at least |
| 00:41.01 | lasers | fabiobik: How about linking the outdated documentary you're reading? |
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| 00:44.52 | njbair | I'm new to debian, but familiar with APT via Ubuntu. But it seems like `apt-get update` takes a lot longer on Debian. It's downloading .pdiff files for every day since the last update. Is that normal? |
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| 00:45.41 | justin | fabiobik: netboot.tar.gz is for PXE. Are you trying to use PXE? |
| 00:45.48 | fabiobik | yep |
| 00:46.04 | fabiobik | how to extract a tar.gz to a specific folder? |
| 00:46.17 | justin | fabiobik: extract it like you extract any other .tar.gz file |
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| 00:46.26 | gnarface | njbair: normal if you are on testing or unstable |
| 00:46.45 | njbair | ok that's the difference. |
| 00:46.46 | gnarface | njbair: i think you can skip them but i don't know what the costs are |
| 00:46.50 | justin | njbair: how long is "a lot longer"? a minute? an hour? |
| 00:47.12 | njbair | I only update every month or so...wondering if it would be faster just to DL the whole tree |
| 00:47.27 | gnarface | well if you update more often there will be less of them probably |
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| 00:47.41 | gnarface | but the amount varies i think based on how many updates are going into the tree at the time |
| 00:47.43 | njbair | i'll set up a cron job to update every night |
| 00:48.05 | gnarface | if you run multiple machines i'd recommend apt-cacher-ng (a proxy for apt) |
| 00:48.18 | gnarface | makes repeated updates much faster |
| 00:48.32 | colock | loves apt-cacher-ng |
| 00:48.45 | justin | njbair: apticron does that |
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| 00:48.58 | mmnicolas | I was just about to express my love for apt-cacher-ng too |
| 00:49.06 | colock | ^_^ |
| 00:49.17 | justin | or even better, unattended-upgrades for automatic security updates |
| 00:49.21 | njbair | sounds handy but I only have one Debian machine. |
| 00:49.22 | mmnicolas | njbair: apt::periodic, look up the unattended-upgrades pacakge |
| 00:49.47 | justin | yeah, caching proxies for apt is the way to go |
| 00:49.51 | njbair | I don't want to run unattended upgrades in testing |
| 00:50.14 | njbair | just to update the APT tree, not upgrade. |
| 00:50.28 | njbair | i'll upgrade manually on a monthly-or-so basis |
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| 00:50.44 | justin | I used to run a mirror for sarge, but with the number of packages being so much higher and needing both x86 and x64 in many cases, running a mirror isn't worth the effort |
| 00:51.14 | mmnicolas | njbair: you can do only that if you want, APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "2"; |
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| 00:52.02 | njbair | hmm |
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| 00:54.23 | mmnicolas | njbair: the man for apt.conf says you should look up /etc/cron.daily/apt for more details on apt::periodic |
| 00:55.40 | mmnicolas | basically just add this line in apt.conf replace "2" by the interval you want, in days. |
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| 00:56.37 | fabiobik | humm PXE install is stuck on debian logo menu |
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| 00:58.13 | fabiobik | humm |
| 00:58.43 | fabiobik | this kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 cpu |
| 00:58.46 | fabiobik | unable to boot |
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| 00:59.22 | mmnicolas | well |
| 00:59.35 | mmnicolas | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
| 00:59.42 | fabiobik | what Network boot should use |
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| 01:00.17 | Aenigma | i'm on sid and the recent kernel broke my wifi card. i get ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout errors when my network manager tries to connect. i think i should submit a bug report? |
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| 01:00.47 | Aenigma | 3.2.0-3-amd64 kernel, fyi |
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| 01:09.48 | njbair | I used `tasksel remove gnome-desktop` to get rid of Gnome, but it looks like the packages are still installed. any idea how to get rid of Gnome? |
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| 01:09.52 | zleslie | Howdy |
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| 01:12.12 | justin | njbair: does apt-get autoremove help? |
| 01:13.07 | njbair | no. I'm trying an apt-get remove on gnome* |
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| 01:13.32 | justin | removing any of the core gnome libraries would do it |
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| 01:14.16 | justin | so libgnome* not gnome* :) |
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| 01:14.51 | njbair | gnome* should work, then an autoremove should get rid of the libgnome stuff |
| 01:15.00 | njbair | there's a lot of freakin' gnome packages |
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| 01:21.48 | plytheman | I hate to ask but I'm having a hard time finding anything on google. Where do I go to set my screen resolution since xorg.conf is apparently out of style? |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | plytheman: use xrandr |
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| 01:22.46 | plytheman | I can set it per session with that but not sure where to make it permanent |
| 01:22.54 | abrotman | in your xorg.conf :) |
| 01:23.05 | abrotman | the Xorg system will try to guess the best resolution |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | is this a VM ? |
| 01:23.28 | plytheman | nah, just my desktop running fvwm and not much else |
| 01:23.56 | gnarface | plytheman: you can still make an xorg.conf if you're dissatisfied with the auto-detection. its just no longer required |
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| 01:24.30 | plytheman | gnarface: can I make it from within an x session? last time I tried (i forget the command now) it didn't make anything |
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| 01:25.23 | justin | plytheman: you can just add the call to xrandr in your .xsession |
| 01:25.27 | gnarface | plytheman: i don't know. i've always exited |
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| 01:25.42 | gnarface | plytheman: generally i hand edit mine though |
| 01:26.23 | gnarface | plytheman: you will have to exit to load a new xorg.conf |
| 01:26.34 | plytheman | justin: I have no xsession in my home folder if that's where it's supposed to be located |
| 01:26.54 | abrotman | you can create it |
| 01:27.16 | plytheman | abrotman: cool, lemme look up some examples of what should be in it then |
| 01:27.46 | zleslie | I am looking to run some vms and wondering what the best hypervisor to use is? I've got debian wheezy, and I think the landscape for what is being used most and best has changed since etch or lenny or whatever I was using at the time |
| 01:28.01 | zleslie | Xen, KVM, LXC, etc? Suggestions? |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | i think most use Xen or KVM |
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| 01:29.15 | zleslie | Which of those have better tooling for creating vms and such? I will probably be looking to spin them up and destroy them fairly frequently |
| 01:29.28 | zleslie | not cloudy style, but enough to make it a feature |
| 01:29.36 | zleslie | I used xen many moons ago |
| 01:29.42 | justin | zleslie: does your hardware support kvm? |
| 01:29.50 | zleslie | Ah, good question |
| 01:30.36 | zleslie | This CPU does, yes. |
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| 01:31.48 | justin | well virt-manager would work |
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| 01:31.57 | justin | but if you are going to be testing things, vagrant is nice |
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| 01:33.52 | zleslie | Yeah, I just hate virtualbox |
| 01:34.17 | justin | well with vagrant you never actually see virtualbox |
| 01:34.32 | zleslie | yeah, I know. I've used it. |
| 01:34.43 | justin | hopefully someone will port vagrant to kvm at some point |
| 01:34.48 | zleslie | I might have one or two vms that I run persistently. Maybe an application server or something. |
| 01:35.01 | plytheman | justin: is something like this all I need to add to my .xsession? http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=13686.0 |
| 01:35.02 | zleslie | I just don't want running vms to be a pain |
| 01:35.28 | justin | plytheman: no |
| 01:35.36 | plytheman | haha, I thought that would be too simple |
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| 01:35.43 | justin | no, that is too COMPLEX |
| 01:35.47 | plytheman | really? |
| 01:36.00 | justin | all you need is something like xrandr -s 1024x768; exec fvwm |
| 01:36.05 | plytheman | I checked the modeline against what I got with cvt and it was the same |
| 01:36.26 | plytheman | alright, I'll try that, thanks! |
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| 01:37.50 | zleslie | Timeline on wheezy release? |
| 01:37.52 | plytheman | gonna give it the ol reboot, brb |
| 01:38.00 | dvs | !wwwr |
| 01:38.01 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 01:40.53 | plytheman | thanks for the help with my resolution, all |
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| 01:41.24 | plytheman | don't know why I couldn't find an answer that simple on google but all that counts is that I have some screen real estate now |
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| 01:41.55 | gnarface | plytheman: congrats, but fyi justin is a fool. you should really spend some time making a real xorg.conf; that's my advice. |
| 01:42.19 | plytheman | haha, I'll try |
| 01:42.34 | plytheman | last time I did try that nothing happened and I have no clue why |
| 01:42.41 | jagginess | plytheman, nvidia? |
| 01:42.42 | justin | gnarface: thems fighting words |
| 01:42.44 | gnarface | plytheman: what command did you use? |
| 01:42.56 | plytheman | jagginess: yea |
| 01:43.07 | plytheman | gnarface: don't remember, lemme look right quick |
| 01:43.11 | gnarface | justin: seriously your solution to his "i couldn't make an xorg.conf and can't figure out why" is to just set it on the fly at every start? |
| 01:43.16 | jagginess | says stopping X, and then running X -configure from root's account makes a sample in ~ |
| 01:43.30 | jagginess | plytheman, displer |
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| 01:43.40 | jagginess | plytheman, if xrandr doesnt work.. |
| 01:43.50 | gnarface | i think the nvidia binary drivers have their own auto-generator script |
| 01:43.58 | gnarface | separate from X -configure |
| 01:44.09 | jagginess | (,/disper) |
| 01:44.15 | gnarface | its output probably would require less tweaking if you are using the nvidia binary junk |
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| 01:44.35 | justin | shrugs |
| 01:44.38 | plytheman | gnarface: I think I was trying Xorg -configure |
| 01:44.49 | plytheman | should it have just been X -configure? |
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| 01:44.53 | jagginess | xorg.conf doesnt need to be changed with disper.. (disper can run under normal user account), i recently had to use disper on some linux with nvidia (as xrandr wasnt working on it) |
| 01:44.56 | justin | I think the last time I had to touch xorg.conf it was 2009 or something |
| 01:45.20 | jagginess | plytheman, you can also use the nvidia-settings tool. |
| 01:45.28 | gnarface | plytheman: no if you're using the nvidia binary drivers you should use the script that it runs at install time |
| 01:45.29 | jagginess | plytheman, it'll create/mod the xorg.conf for you.. |
| 01:45.36 | plytheman | justin: pretty sure this desktop is from 2002 so even 2009 standards are high for it =D |
| 01:45.40 | jagginess | plytheman, make sure to use "twinview" option on with it |
| 01:46.49 | jagginess | plytheman, this is for dual screen correct? |
| 01:46.56 | plytheman | jagginess: nah, just one |
| 01:47.11 | jagginess | so check the log |
| 01:47.23 | jagginess | see what the errors are :? :/ |
| 01:47.52 | jagginess | most of the time edid is not being picked up for resolution problems |
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| 01:48.39 | plytheman | ~/.xsession-errors ? or is there a log somewhere else I should look? |
| 01:48.40 | apt | okay, plytheman |
| 01:48.56 | dvs | heh |
| 01:49.01 | jagginess | ,/var/log/Xorg.0.plog |
| 01:49.06 | jagginess | ,/var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 01:49.12 | plytheman | awesome, thanks |
| 01:49.13 | jagginess | i got plogged |
| 01:49.19 | jagginess | :/ |
| 01:49.56 | jagginess | you really havent read anything.. that's the first place to check for any X problems |
| 01:50.00 | jagginess | i suggest you rtfm |
| 01:50.02 | jagginess | :) |
| 01:50.14 | plytheman | haha, I was waiting to hear that |
| 01:50.48 | plytheman | rather than do something step-by-step and follow an arch install or something with a guide I just kinda installed a minimal debian and fvwm and have been picking up the pieces from there |
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| 01:52.25 | colock | chroot installs are even better plytheman :P |
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| 01:53.46 | Aaron | !znc |
| 01:54.04 | dvs | !tell Aaron about selftell |
| 01:54.34 | Aaron | !tell dvs he's a loser |
| 01:54.44 | colock | !find a room |
| 01:54.46 | dvs | Aaron: now, now be nice |
| 01:54.50 | colock | :P |
| 01:55.17 | plytheman | jagginess: anything in particular I should be looking for in the log? there's nothing marked (!!), and at the end it changes resolution to what I set |
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| 01:56.05 | colock | plytheman: EE |
| 01:56.30 | colock | plytheman: if your xorg starts and all but have other (minor) problems, you should read it all |
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| 01:56.48 | jagginess | plytheman, check for edid or e-did errors |
| 01:56.53 | plytheman | colock: no errors |
| 01:57.19 | plytheman | and nothing about edid or e-did |
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| 01:57.36 | jagginess | plytheman, pastebinit the log.. i have a feeling something warning can show |
| 01:57.49 | jagginess | (warning messages can be valuable too) |
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| 02:01.06 | plytheman | jagginess: http://paste.debian.net/183455/ |
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| 02:02.28 | Theoden | Anyone suggest a good services app? |
| 02:02.37 | Theoden | gnome app |
| 02:02.45 | colock | services app == ? |
| 02:03.02 | Theoden | To set what starts and what doesn'r at startup. |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | to manage services? |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 02:03.09 | colock | rc-config |
| 02:03.15 | colock | oh, we're in #debian |
| 02:03.18 | colock | update-rc.d, yeah |
| 02:03.26 | Theoden | thx. |
| 02:03.37 | colock | not a gnome app, just how to manage services in debian. |
| 02:03.49 | colock | (other than rm/mv/ln) |
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| 02:04.07 | Theoden | colock: ncurses? |
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| 02:04.12 | colock | Theoden: cli |
| 02:04.19 | Theoden | k |
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| 02:04.48 | colock | like add this, remove this, change this priority of this to that new priority |
| 02:04.52 | colock | pretty much all |
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| 02:06.50 | jagginess | plytheman, how did you install nouveau? looks like you're missing "/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so" (x log says) |
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| 02:07.33 | plytheman | jagginess: I'd assume that came with the Debian install? don't think I got that one on my own |
| 02:08.13 | jagginess | (apt-get install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search /usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so , then apt-get the package that contains this file, then restart X, and check log for any errors) |
| 02:08.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 02:09.06 | abrotman | looks for the marshmallow |
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| 02:09.44 | ikus060 | Hi, |
| 02:09.46 | plytheman | jagginess: will do, thanks |
| 02:10.40 | plytheman | what I've learned in the past few weeks is that there's a right way and a wrong way to install an OS... |
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| 02:12.17 | plytheman | jagginess: nothing came up when I searched for the nouveau_dri.so |
| 02:12.46 | jagginess | plytheman, did you do apt-file update ? |
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| 02:12.47 | ikus060 | For weeks, I have an problem with debian testing. When resuming from suspend, I can't enter the password to unlock the session. The screen is stuck: no pointer, no respond to keyboard. Is anyone have a similar issue. I can't stand it anymore :( |
| 02:13.11 | abrotman | tried X and console ? |
| 02:13.14 | abrotman | does it respond to ssh ? |
| 02:13.18 | nevyn | plytheman: where the right way is fully automated pxe then fai then puppet and the wrong way is anything involving media? |
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| 02:13.46 | plytheman | jagginess: I did |
| 02:13.49 | ikus060 | @abrotman: the computer does respond to network service, yes. |
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| 02:14.15 | jagginess | plytheman, you using debian minimal cd right? |
| 02:14.26 | plytheman | yeah, the net install |
| 02:15.43 | jagginess | plytheman, wheezy testing? |
| 02:15.45 | jagginess | lol |
| 02:16.01 | abrotman | ikus060: have you tried to modprobe -r the mouse/kb driver, then reload them ? tried restarting X ? |
| 02:16.02 | jagginess | "Release Date: 2010-05-04" |
| 02:16.03 | plytheman | 6.0.5 |
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| 02:16.26 | plytheman | pretty sure that was the last stable |
| 02:17.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | where does apt download the .debs to? i cant find then |
| 02:17.10 | jagginess | plytheman, did you do, apt-get update, then apt-get install apt-file , be sure you have latest apt-file |
| 02:17.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
| 02:17.46 | jagginess | plytheman, or you can simply try lookging for nouveau packagenames, apt-cache search nouveau, and maybe spot a lib pakcage needed from there |
| 02:18.02 | jagginess | currently on another linux distro |
| 02:18.02 | plytheman | maybe apt-get wasn't updated first, doing that now |
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| 02:18.28 | jagginess | plytheman, you're too new to use this method, try using the standard stock.. |
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| 02:18.40 | jagginess | (standard desktop iso) |
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| 02:20.14 | plytheman | jagginess: I never really expected /this/ much work running a minimal install, probably should have just followed an arch guide or something |
| 02:20.47 | martinm | I think I've had an issue like this before... is netboot install of i386 Wheezy known to be broken? I think last time I hit a kernel mismatch at the end of the install, now it gives me "No kernel modules were found. ..." right after setting up the mirror. |
| 02:20.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps i am trying to install hi |
| 02:21.23 | plytheman | tbh other than having some issues with resolution and flash crashing iceweasel I thought things were running dandy for me |
| 02:21.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | mu b43legacy .deb wants to dl something from openwrt.org webpage and i got no net qacccess for this crap ... |
| 02:21.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | wth do i do ?!!? |
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| 02:24.04 | colock | Eryn_1983_FL: old schoold file transfer by cross-ethernet? usb stick? |
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| 02:26.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | i guess... but the .deb wants to dl it |
| 02:26.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i make it known that the file is there?!?! |
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| 02:34.02 | colock | Eryn_1983_FL: you could install a web proxy and put the file in the proxy's cache, or just read the script and put the file where it downloads it |
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| 02:34.17 | colock | i guess it uses curl or wget |
| 02:35.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | btw ok.. |
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| 02:38.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | i tried opening the package it dosnt seem to have any data files or a config or anything wth |
| 02:38.22 | plytheman | thanks for trying to help jagginess (and others as well), I'm gonna call it a night |
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| 02:40.50 | jagginess | i bet he didnt even set his repos correctly hehehe |
| 02:40.54 | jagginess | noob |
| 02:42.45 | mmnicolas | you mean removing deb-src's and adding contrib non-free ? |
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| 02:47.39 | colock | Eryn_1983_FL: post-install script, most probably |
| 02:48.09 | colock | unpack the deb and check DEBIAN/postinst |
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| 02:52.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | well this is frustrating |
| 02:52.42 | colock | why? |
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| 02:53.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | it downloads it from the web guu |
| 02:53.13 | colock | to where? |
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| 02:53.52 | jagginess | to there! |
| 02:53.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | openwrt.org |
| 02:53.53 | jagginess | lol |
| 02:54.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | elol who knows |
| 02:54.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.30 | magyar | hi is kvm available in wheezy? |
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| 02:55.19 | colock | is google down magyar ? |
| 02:57.11 | colock | https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+wheezy+kvm |
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| 02:57.27 | magyar | colock: qemu |
| 02:57.33 | magyar | colock: thanks |
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| 03:00.28 | aitiba | hi |
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| 03:00.48 | aitiba | how can I cript my debian with luks? |
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| 03:01.25 | aitiba | I take a look but I dont find the correct information |
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| 03:01.31 | gnarface | dpkg: luks? |
| 03:01.32 | dpkg | Linux Unified Key Setup (LUKS) is a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ . To access on Microsoft Windows systems, see http://freeotfe.org/ and <ext2read>. |
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| 03:05.01 | aitiba | gnarface, but how can I use luks when I'm installing debian? |
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| 03:06.07 | gnarface | aitiba: i think its an option during partitioning in expert install mode, but i'm not 100% sure of that |
| 03:06.55 | colock | i'm quite confident it is |
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| 03:11.10 | mmnicolas | iirc you have to use LVM for that |
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| 03:11.44 | gnarface | sounds right, cause the other option is RAID right? |
| 03:11.48 | gnarface | or something like that |
| 03:11.54 | gnarface | i've never actually tried it i just remember hearing that |
| 03:12.01 | gnarface | you could use it in squeeze |
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| 03:14.59 | mmnicolas | here's a strangely named wiki about that: http://wiki.debian.org/AesXtsEncryptedLvm |
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| 03:54.07 | pparadis | abrotman: i could tell you a story about a support ticket from a time long ago that contained the verbatim string "peep in ass" but on second thought it would be a bad idea to relate that tale for a couple of reasons. |
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| 04:03.34 | Rotaerk | how do i see whether a package is multiarch |
| 04:03.43 | Rotaerk | it doesn't mention it in the package info that I'm looking at |
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| 04:10.22 | mmnicolas | _all.deb |
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| 04:13.03 | mmnicolas | and you're right, it doesn't show in aptitude but it does with apt-cache show |
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| 04:14.05 | mmnicolas | ..and it doesn't show in aptitude show either hrmm |
| 04:16.00 | Rotaerk | ah thanks |
| 04:16.41 | Rotaerk | actually I realized I didn't upgrade apt correctly so... |
| 04:16.58 | Rotaerk | needed to do a dist-upgrade |
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| 05:09.15 | alex20032 | I got a dynamic IP, and was wondering how to inform people when my IP change, or how to get like a domain name pointing to my changing IP (a free domaine name, like .tk) |
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| 05:10.06 | alex20032 | On windows, there is a program we can install, like IP-Fixe, and work with some domaine, but what about linux? |
| 05:10.41 | gnarface | !no-ip |
| 05:10.42 | dpkg | No-IP is a dynamic DNS service provider. The update clients packaged for Debian are inadyn and noip2. The no-ip.com update client (noip2) is not part of the Squeeze release due to Debian bug #601220. |
| 05:11.55 | gnarface | alex20032: ^^^ this is what the bot says. i'd try inadyn i guess. |
| 05:12.19 | alex20032 | Well, the bot look to have lot of thing to say |
| 05:12.22 | alex20032 | !help |
| 05:12.24 | gnarface | alex20032: also, dyndns is still around but no longer free i guess |
| 05:12.44 | rozie | alex20032: dyndns.org works well with ddclient |
| 05:12.45 | gnarface | alex20032: yea, you can message the bot directly just by /msg dpkg [stuff] |
| 05:12.57 | alex20032 | I tried !help |
| 05:13.04 | alex20032 | And he messaged so many thing |
| 05:13.09 | gnarface | !help |
| 05:13.22 | gnarface | hah |
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| 05:13.48 | alex20032 | !wtf |
| 05:14.17 | alex20032 | Well, i think i will have lot of fun with that bot |
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| 05:16.44 | Aaron | !lart alex20032 |
| 05:16.45 | dpkg | holds alex20032 to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 05:17.05 | alex20032 | ? |
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| 05:20.17 | alex20032 | Well, dyndns is not free |
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| 05:20.38 | alex20032 | Its cheaper to pay more to my ISP for a static IP than dyndns |
| 05:21.54 | rozie | what? not free? I still use it and don't pay... |
| 05:22.38 | alex20032 | Well, i will check again |
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| 05:23.43 | alex20032 | Well, again, i only get a site that show a price chart for different service |
| 05:23.55 | gnarface | !dyndns |
| 05:23.55 | dpkg | dyn.com (formerly dyndns.org) is a dynamic DNS service provider, allowing a DNS name to be mapped to your IP address. It is no longer free except for limited-length trials, ask me about <no-ip> for a free alternative. |
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| 05:24.16 | xj54y_ | My gnome-session seems to be stuck in gnome-screensaver. I don't get any kind of password dialog and I noticed that the time is wrong (it seems to never advance). However, the mouse cursor is movable. I'd rather not restart X as I have work that needs to be saved. Any ideas? |
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| 05:25.06 | gnarface | xj54y_: ctrl-alt-f2 then log in and kill xscreensaver maybe? |
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| 05:26.14 | rozie | http://www.dyndnscommunity.com/questions/21580/from-dyn-what-happened-to-free-accounts.html |
| 05:26.25 | Diopter | xj54y_: http://www.howtogeek.com/119127/use-the-magic-sysrq-key-on-linux-to-fix-frozen-x-servers-cleanly-reboot-and-run-other-low-level-commands/ |
| 05:26.34 | Diopter | In case you can't C-M-F2 yet |
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| 05:26.56 | alex20032 | Well, no-ip look like a better alternative |
| 05:27.05 | rozie | looks like this was not affecting old users |
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| 05:27.33 | Artemis3 | so much for dyndns... |
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| 05:30.45 | alex20032 | Well, except that no-ip for free = a sub domaine... |
| 05:30.55 | alex20032 | I can still register that subdomaine on .tk |
| 05:31.06 | alex20032 | Do you guy know alternative to .tk? |
| 05:33.48 | alex20032 | Well, now inadyn VS ddclient? |
| 05:34.17 | alex20032 | Which one easier to configure? |
| 05:34.23 | gnarface | alex20032: you know, its really nice to have a static ip |
| 05:34.39 | alex20032 | Yeah, but I cant pay for a static IP |
| 05:34.44 | alex20032 | Its my father that pay the bill |
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| 05:34.58 | rozie | alex20032: you can have static IPv6 for free |
| 05:35.00 | gnarface | most isps only charge like 5$ more a month for that unless they suck ass |
| 05:35.09 | alex20032 | rozie: how? |
| 05:35.20 | alex20032 | My ISP = money for static IP |
| 05:35.45 | gnarface | mine gives you 3 static ip's and 10 webmail accounts.... |
| 05:35.46 | alex20032 | mine for 10$/month |
| 05:35.49 | rozie | alex20032: tunnelbroker.net or sixxs.net |
| 05:35.52 | gnarface | bwahaha |
| 05:36.12 | rozie | (most popular ipv6 tunnel brokers) |
| 05:36.39 | rozie | both work well with dynamic IP (a little scripting is needed) |
| 05:36.59 | alex20032 | But the underlying is still static |
| 05:37.04 | alex20032 | I mean, dynamic |
| 05:37.07 | rozie | sixxs works through a NAT too |
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| 05:37.24 | rozie | depends, what do you want to achieve |
| 05:37.26 | alex20032 | Since the IPV6 will be static, but will depend on the dynamic one in IPV4 |
| 05:37.36 | rozie | so what? |
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| 05:37.51 | alex20032 | So no-ip.com still better |
| 05:38.08 | alex20032 | I don't think it work great writting a IPV6 in a browser... |
| 05:38.13 | alex20032 | so long |
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| 05:38.41 | rozie | well, if you have static ipv6, you can use domain from afraid.org |
| 05:38.42 | alex20032 | !ddclient |
| 05:38.42 | dpkg | DDclient is a Perl script to update dynamic IP addresses with several dynamic DNS providers (e.g. DynDNS, ZoneEdit), also supports IP address acquistion from cable and DSL broadband routers. See also Debian bug #600054. http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/using_ddclient_with_dyndns_services.html http://ddclient.sf.net/ #ddclient on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:39.20 | xj54y_ | Diopter: I'd much rather not reboot my system in order to get gnome to realize that gnome-screensaver is no longer running. |
| 05:39.50 | xj54y_ | gnarface: it's gnome-screensaver, not xscreensaver. However, I had killed it already but I just get a blankscreen with a curson that is movable and whatnot |
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| 05:40.21 | Diopter | xj54y_: If you read a little more carefully, you'll see that the first sysrq command listed -- r -- just gives you the keyboard, which is Often locked for X |
| 05:40.32 | Diopter | xj54y_: I wasn't suggesting rebooting. |
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| 05:42.23 | alex20032 | Well, i am looking for alternative to .tk |
| 05:42.30 | alex20032 | something very short |
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| 05:46.51 | SiDz | anyone know how to add a job with at in one line? |
| 05:47.05 | SiDz | id like to recall my job after it finish |
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| 05:47.38 | SiDz | like at now + 1450 minutes php /bla/bla.php |
| 05:47.48 | SiDz | but thats not working i dont know how to do it in one line |
| 05:48.17 | SiDz | i have to do now + 1450 minutes <enter> now i enter: php /bla/bla.php <enter> ctrl+d |
| 05:48.19 | SiDz | job added |
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| 05:58.02 | xj54y_ | Diopter: err sorry.. I cannot read the link you gave me as I'm not in X. However, I've seen the whole magic sysrq thing before and it was a way for me to reboot. Sorry for assuming. Is it possible you can make it a tinyurl perhaps? |
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| 06:03.52 | alex20032 | !math |
| 06:03.52 | dpkg | It's maths, not math, damn it. You don't say "I like mathematic", it's "I like mathematics". |
| 06:04.02 | alex20032 | !maths |
| 06:04.02 | dpkg | hmm... maths is like 1+2=3 or like "let epsilon < 0 be given". |
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| 06:04.13 | alex20032 | !lol |
| 06:04.13 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:04.26 | alex20032 | !bot |
| 06:04.26 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 06:04.40 | alex20032 | !abuse |
| 06:04.40 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 06:04.53 | alex20032 | !hi |
| 06:04.53 | dpkg | hello, alex20032 |
| 06:05.04 | alex20032 | !howareyou |
| 06:05.09 | alex20032 | !how are you |
| 06:05.09 | dpkg | mas o menos, alex20032 |
| 06:05.20 | alex20032 | !joke |
| 06:05.20 | dpkg | Stop abusing the bot already. |
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| 06:06.00 | alex20032 | !sorry |
| 06:06.01 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 06:06.28 | alex20032 | !windows |
| 06:06.28 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:06.42 | alex20032 | !m$ |
| 06:06.42 | dpkg | holds up a cross in defense |
| 06:06.44 | FDFlock | I don't want to interrupt this extremely interesting conversation with dpkg, but one can always start a private chat ("/query") if he/she wants to explore its capabilities, instead of using the public channel... :P |
| 06:07.01 | FDFlock | That said, some of its responses are hilarious! |
| 06:07.13 | krababbel | How should I put a script run at boot at the start of multiuser runlevels? |
| 06:07.19 | alex20032 | Sorry, but you are currently disturbing an interesting conversation with well... a bot |
| 06:07.43 | krababbel | i find u |
| 06:08.19 | alex20032 | !bill gates |
| 06:08.19 | dpkg | hmm... bill gates is the creator of all many things that are annoying, insidious, non-free, evil, and annoying. Did I mention annoying? > very annoying. |
| 06:08.31 | alex20032 | Had to do this one |
| 06:08.35 | alex20032 | Liked its awnser |
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| 06:09.32 | thereisnospoon | whats the simplest service monitor/auto restart app? |
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| 06:10.13 | gnarface | heartbeat? |
| 06:10.19 | gnarface | keepalived? |
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| 06:14.37 | thereisnospoon | they are for failover stuff in a clsuter from what i can see, i just want localhost monitor/restart, was hoping for something that wouldnt hurt my head |
| 06:15.00 | CybDev | monit |
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| 06:16.04 | thereisnospoon | monit looks like its what im after, thanks a lot |
| 06:17.19 | alex20032 | !AT&T |
| 06:17.19 | dpkg | hmm... at&t is the devil. |
| 06:17.25 | alex20032 | Why does he awnser that? |
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| 06:17.32 | alex20032 | AT&T is not evil |
| 06:17.41 | alex20032 | They created Unix |
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| 06:19.50 | brandonj | the Bell Labs that developed unix is a far cry from today's AT&T |
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| 06:21.30 | fabio | hello guys, how to set up one time cronjob? |
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| 06:22.14 | fabio | for example, i want to know if that comand "one time" will be trigged when the system boots |
| 06:22.37 | fabio | or it just be called 1 time forever |
| 06:22.43 | fabio | just one single time |
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| 06:24.42 | gnarface | fabio: i think you want to try out "at" instead of "cron" |
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| 06:26.40 | fabio | gnarface, let me explain what im trying to do |
| 06:27.17 | nsadmin | multiple = cron, once = at |
| 06:27.26 | fabio | i have a perl script with a while = false. Will be false forever. So i just need to call it one time |
| 06:27.33 | nsadmin | let's get that part out of the way right now :) |
| 06:27.51 | fabio | what you guys recomend me? |
| 06:28.26 | nsadmin | why have a while(false)? the code inside will never run |
| 06:28.42 | fabio | nsadmin, no its running |
| 06:28.54 | fabio | wile a variable its false run |
| 06:29.10 | fabio | will run till the variable becomes true |
| 06:29.22 | nsadmin | so something like while($someVar) {...) |
| 06:29.29 | fabio | yes |
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| 06:29.47 | nsadmin | so you actually mean until? |
| 06:29.58 | fabio | until or wille its the same |
| 06:30.02 | fabio | *wile |
| 06:30.08 | nsadmin | I wonder if perl has until |
| 06:30.18 | fabio | dunno, never used |
| 06:30.30 | brandonj | perl does have until |
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| 06:30.44 | fabio | so, how to solve my problem? |
| 06:30.54 | fabio | should i use at or cron ? |
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| 06:31.17 | nsadmin | multiple = cron, once = at |
| 06:31.29 | brandonj | I'm still not entirely clear what the problem is |
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| 06:31.45 | nsadmin | same here, and I was just now about to say that |
| 06:31.55 | brandonj | when do you want the perl script to run? |
| 06:32.04 | nsadmin | I'm actually not clear at all as to what the problem is |
| 06:32.06 | fabio | but that at only starts when the system has completly started? |
| 06:32.39 | nsadmin | fabio, ok, we're pausing right here for a moment |
| 06:33.01 | fabio | huh? |
| 06:33.03 | alex20032 | !fus ro dah |
| 06:33.03 | dpkg | fus ro dah is probably very powerful, shout that with caution! |
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| 06:33.19 | alex20032 | I just learned that to the bot |
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| 06:33.39 | nsadmin | what benefit does this perl script provide? |
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| 06:33.46 | nsadmin | what does it do? |
| 06:34.03 | nsadmin | or better, what exactly do you want it to do? |
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| 06:34.35 | fabio | nsadmin, why you need to know that? |
| 06:34.49 | nsadmin | because I can't recommend anything without it |
| 06:35.08 | brandonj | fabio: because we (I, atleast) have no idea what your problem is |
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| 06:35.27 | fabio | i just need to know how to call this script everytime the system completly loaded |
| 06:35.28 | nsadmin | unless you're super clear on everything else, and even then I have no idea what you want or what you could possibly want |
| 06:35.47 | brandonj | fabio: if you just want to run the script once after booting, you don't want to use at or cron |
| 06:36.16 | fabio | okay |
| 06:36.22 | fabio | so what command should use? |
| 06:36.23 | nsadmin | right, the most mundane thing to do is background it from rc.local |
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| 06:36.39 | fabio | nsadmin, how to do that? |
| 06:36.47 | brandonj | fabio: the script /etc/rc.local gets executed at the end of the boot proceses |
| 06:36.54 | krababbel | Is /etc/rc.local still used? I put echo 2097152 > /sys/module/nf_conntrack/parameters/hashsize in there and after a reboot it doesn't do that automatically. I can run the scrip manually. |
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| 06:37.31 | brandonj | krababbel: you probably have to make sure the rc.local init script is enabled |
| 06:37.40 | krababbel | how brandonj ? |
| 06:37.42 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:37.58 | fabio | oh |
| 06:38.02 | fabio | i got an exit 0 |
| 06:38.06 | fabio | what this mean? |
| 06:38.09 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.22 | brandonj | krababbel: 'update-rc.d rc.local enable' I think |
| 06:38.24 | nsadmin | leave it there, insert before that |
| 06:38.30 | fabio | ok |
| 06:39.01 | nsadmin | brandonj, wow :) someone was feeling the mechanism when they made that :) |
| 06:39.03 | fabio | i dont know if i need to put the word perl <path to the script> |
| 06:39.14 | fabio | or just ./<path to the script> |
| 06:39.38 | brandonj | fabio: if your script is executable and has '#!/usr/bin/perl' at the top, you don't need to put 'perl' before the invocation |
| 06:39.40 | nsadmin | fabio, no. -always- use fully qualified paths in scripts like that |
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| 06:40.00 | nsadmin | for one thing, you are not guaranteed anything for . |
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| 06:40.07 | krababbel | brandonj: will try, thanks |
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| 06:40.48 | nsadmin | and if its not, I would -still- put /usr/bin/perl /path/to/script |
| 06:41.12 | nsadmin | -always- fully qualify all paths |
| 06:42.13 | nsadmin | someone could stick a perl that doesn't perl... instead it KNITS |
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| 06:43.35 | fabio | nsadmin, so i dont need ./ ? |
| 06:43.41 | fabio | just the full path? |
| 06:43.45 | nsadmin | ./ won't work |
| 06:43.48 | fabio | okay |
| 06:44.02 | nsadmin | because you have no way of knowing what . is |
| 06:44.11 | pfote | "someone could stick a perl that doesn't perl... instead it KNITS" nice one :-) |
| 06:44.53 | nsadmin | you never NEVER want a perl that knits... it's the stitch that slices |
| 06:45.46 | nsadmin | (the one exception to that, is if you cd /path |
| 06:45.59 | nsadmin | and I don't see a point in doing that |
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| 06:50.53 | nsadmin | fabio, so do you see in my example how I fully qualified even the path of perl itself? |
| 06:51.57 | alex20032 | !dpkg Made me lot of fun |
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| 06:52.15 | alex20032 | !later |
| 06:52.15 | dpkg | yeah, see ya around whenever, alex20032 |
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| 06:54.25 | krababbel | I tried rc.local, it won't work. I want to change a module of iptables at runtime, before sysctl.d/local.conf gets read. Is this possible or should I pass the option to the module instead? |
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| 06:54.54 | krababbel | My script works fine after I login and execute it. |
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| 07:01.46 | krababbel | Can I use /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf to pass options, or is the dot in the filename bad? |
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| 07:06.38 | gnarface | krababbel: should work |
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| 07:06.45 | krababbel | gnarface: thanks |
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| 07:06.51 | jelly-home | krababbel: .d/ directories usually follow the sysvinit / run-parts syntax |
| 07:07.13 | krababbel | jelly-home: I saw that somewere :) thanks |
| 07:07.55 | jelly-home | (it does not allow dots) |
| 07:08.37 | krababbel | oh, I see, that's where I read it, forgot it too :) |
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| 07:09.05 | gnarface | jelly-home: *everything* i have in /etc/modprobe.d has dots. if you don't end the file in .conf you get a warning at boot time |
| 07:09.19 | gnarface | er, used to get a warning, now it may be an error |
| 07:09.47 | gnarface | that changed sometime around etch i think maybe lenny |
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| 07:11.11 | jelly-home | right |
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| 07:11.57 | krababbel | and those errors I saw too by some other file I think .. |
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| 07:16.01 | mah454 | I can not use rake command ! |
| 07:16.17 | mah454 | receive this error : undefined method `home' for Dir:Class |
| 07:16.20 | mah454 | How can fix this ? |
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| 07:19.45 | ponihoax | hi guys, I just had my server host put on Deb6 on a VPS and I was able to SSH with root. I made a new user (foo) and also did 'usermod -a -G sudo foo' and changed sshd_config so that root login is not permitted. however, when i try and get back onto the VPS I can log in as my user but I can't sudo/su :/ |
| 07:19.50 | ponihoax | i'm not sure what I have done wrong |
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| 07:29.29 | mjt | ponihoax: your mistake was not testing whenever sudo works before disabling root login. The answer is in logs, which - most likely - accessible to root only. |
| 07:29.44 | ponihoax | mjt: yep, that was my mistake |
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| 07:31.36 | ponihoax | mjt: how am I able to login as root over ssh originally but not have the same password working later on? |
| 07:31.40 | jelly-home | depending on the vps type, you probably need to contact your provider |
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| 07:32.27 | jelly-home | ponihoax: you are aware "su" requires the root password, right? |
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| 07:32.51 | ponihoax | jelly-home: yes |
| 07:33.16 | ponihoax | i don't understand why "su -" rejects the password. |
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| 07:33.22 | jelly-home | if it fails to work, you don't have an easy way in apart from findind a local root exploit |
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| 07:34.40 | ponihoax | dammit!! |
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| 07:37.18 | krababbel | I saw nothing with .conf, it worked. :) |
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| 07:39.46 | abec0 | But if it is a fresh install on a distant VPS, doing it all over is quite easy/fast, right... |
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| 07:43.35 | boudiccas | i've got a problem developing in that i had a cron job start rsyncing my /home to an external usb drive at 0600 and its still going at 0845, and the next one is due at 0900, so is it best to just let them both play along toegthor at 0900, or what should i do please? |
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| 07:47.31 | Blue1 | boudiccas: i would reschedule the job for a later time, or serialise them - i.e. one doesn't start till the previous one is finished |
| 07:47.42 | jelly-home | boudiccas: set up a locking mechanism in your cron job script to avoid rsyncing the same stuff in parallel |
| 07:48.02 | Blue1 | what he said |
| 07:48.15 | boudiccas | Blue1: how do you serialise them please? i've never heard of it before |
| 07:48.26 | jelly-home | a simple process check may suffice |
| 07:48.40 | Blue1 | simple bash backup scripts using rsync: http://pkill-9.com/simple-rsync-backuprestore-bash-scripts-for-ubuntudebian/ |
| 07:49.07 | Blue1 | boudiccas: put them in the same file so the run right after the other like |
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| 07:49.26 | Blue1 | boudiccas: so make 1 script instead of 2 |
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| 07:50.30 | jelly-home | that script doesn't seem to do any locking |
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| 07:54.25 | jelly-home | boudiccas: serialization could be more complex. you could do a check at the beginning of your script, something like if pgrep -f 'rsync.*/home'; then echo "E: old rsync still running" 1>&2; exit 1; fi |
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| 07:55.33 | jelly-home | it opens a possiblity for a hung rsync to stall your backups indefinitely. Avoiding that is left as an exercise for the reader. |
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| 07:56.26 | Blue1 | you can do things like create a file when its done - if the file doesn't exist, try again in like 5 minutes -- easy way |
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| 07:57.04 | Blue1 | last step in the 2nd script - delete the file created by the first script. |
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| 07:57.29 | jelly-home | adhoc locking mechanisms are seldom correct and never easy |
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| 07:59.25 | lasers | External USB drive have shorter life span? No? |
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| 08:00.13 | lasers | And you're writing/rsyncing to it non-stop...? |
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| 08:13.33 | boudiccas | ah, its finally finished after 3 hours and 10 minutes, just after i rescheduled the cron job to run 4-hourly and next due at 1200! Murphys law! :) |
| 08:14.03 | boudiccas | but i shall try to put some error catching in the script so that it doesnt run if already running |
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| 08:23.48 | boudiccas | lasers: my external usb h/d has been in use for about 2 years now for backups done every 3 hours with no problems from the drive itself |
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| 08:46.19 | harovali | hi, in older versions of debian there used to exist the 'untic' program , which took a compiled terminfo file and gave a text terminfo file. I can't find it anymore (I could find 'tic', however). Any hint as to where it has gone ? |
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| 08:47.25 | gnarface | harovali: is it in the tic program? |
| 08:47.35 | gnarface | harovali: er, i mean tic *package* |
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| 08:48.28 | harovali | gnarface: maybe, but it's weird that I have a tic executable installed, and not an untic one |
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| 08:49.02 | harovali | in fact, there isn't a tic package anymore |
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| 08:49.15 | gnarface | harovali: i'm very sorry to hear that. |
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| 08:49.21 | TheSarge | Is anyoone here? |
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| 08:50.02 | TheSarge | I am trying to install Debian but my thumbdrive is broken, is there a way to just create a Partition on my HDD and extract the iso to it, then install from that? |
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| 08:53.20 | gnarface | TheSarge: ever heard of debootstrap? |
| 08:54.25 | TheSarge | Current OS is windows though :( |
| 08:54.42 | TheSarge | gnarface: |
| 08:55.20 | gnarface | TheSarge: is there anything on there you want to keep? |
| 08:55.31 | TheSarge | Ya, the OS intact |
| 08:55.38 | TheSarge | I have some free space to work with though |
| 08:55.45 | TheSarge | I have already resized |
| 08:55.50 | TheSarge | and even made a 4gb Slice |
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| 08:56.14 | TheSarge | But then i realized even if I extract the installer onto that 4gb Slice how would I boot it? |
| 08:56.45 | jelly | TheSarge: if you have a wired connection, you don't need the dvd image, just use netinst image instead |
| 08:57.02 | TheSarge | But how would I boot that image even? |
| 08:57.21 | jelly | I thought you had a 2GB usb stick |
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| 08:57.27 | gnarface | jelly: he said it was broken |
| 08:57.35 | TheSarge | No stick at all |
| 08:57.38 | jelly | oh, that's a different issue |
| 08:57.44 | TheSarge | yea |
| 08:58.12 | TheSarge | So there is no way then gnarface ? |
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| 09:00.27 | gnarface | TheSarge: there are ways... |
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| 09:00.54 | jelly | !win32-loader |
| 09:00.54 | dpkg | [win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader" is a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <win32-loader.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>. |
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| 09:01.06 | jelly | !win32-loader.exe |
| 09:01.06 | dpkg | http://http.debian.net/debian/tools/win32-loader/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system. It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supports the GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/Hurd Debian-Installer flavours as of version 0.7.4. |
| 09:01.14 | kyn_ | Hi, I am unable to connect to the internet on Debian installer, what should I do? |
| 09:01.24 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.30 | kyn_ | I think I'm missing my network card driver. |
| 09:01.34 | jelly | gnarface: replaced by the above |
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| 09:03.25 | TheSarge | jelly, gnarface TY so MUCH |
| 09:03.46 | gnarface | TheSarge: good luck... |
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| 09:04.12 | TheSarge | Its so easy with this GUI |
| 09:04.20 | TheSarge | I cant believe i never knew about this |
| 09:04.28 | jelly | has never used it |
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| 09:06.10 | gnarface | has never even seen it |
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| 09:07.01 | kyn_ | ... anyone know? |
| 09:08.33 | lapsusbrutus | wat? |
| 09:08.51 | gnarface | kyn_: that's not something anyone is likely to even guess with only the information you've given us |
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| 09:08.58 | mah454 | I can not start shapdo server with this command : rails server -e development |
| 09:09.12 | mah454 | receive this output : http://pastebin.com/zuxfdtR8 |
| 09:09.45 | kyn_ | gnarface: I booted Debian off of a USB, and when I run the installer it simply wont recognise my network. |
| 09:10.19 | gnarface | kyn_: alt-f4? |
| 09:10.34 | kyn_ | gnarface: ? |
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| 09:10.50 | kyn_ | No... |
| 09:10.52 | gnarface | kyn_: any relevant errors should be going to one of the virtual consoles. i belive its the one on alt-f4 |
| 09:11.18 | gnarface | kyn_: its entirely possible your drivers are missing, or maybe just the firmware for them (if it is non-free) |
| 09:11.28 | ChrisH | kyn_: LAN or or WLAN? |
| 09:11.36 | gnarface | kyn_: it would help everyone greatly if you could identify your network card specifically |
| 09:11.39 | kyn_ | ChrisH: WLAN |
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| 09:11.55 | ChrisH | kyn_: LAN possible? Installtion via WLAN is tricky |
| 09:11.55 | kyn_ | gnarface: Okay, I'll try and find.. |
| 09:12.12 | gnarface | kyn_: also fyi only WEP and unencrypted is supported in the installer for wifi i believe |
| 09:12.16 | kyn_ | ChrisH: I'm new to Linux.. |
| 09:12.28 | kyn_ | gnarface: I have WPA... |
| 09:12.37 | gnarface | kyn_: you will not be able to switch to WPA or WPA2 until after install. |
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| 09:12.56 | kyn_ | gnarface: Should I change my router's settings to WEP? |
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| 09:13.19 | ChrisH | kyn_: can't you connect to your Route via a temporary network cable? |
| 09:13.32 | gnarface | kyn_: well, personally i recommend you install using a normal ethernet card and configure the wlan card afterwards, if possible, but yes, otherwise, you'll have to temporarily switch to WEP |
| 09:13.51 | kyn_ | ChrisH: I will try. |
| 09:13.53 | gnarface | kyn_: you may ALSO be missing drivers |
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| 09:14.42 | kyn_ | gnarface: I doubt it's the drivers, since CrunchBang (based off of Debian) works fine, so does every other Linux distro. |
| 09:15.23 | kyn_ | gnarface: Also, why don't I just change to WEP anyway instead of temporary? |
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| 09:16.10 | ChrisH | kyn_: Debian does not add the non-free firware into the installer! So you will need to load the fiormware from somewhere else... and no you want to use a temporary cable! |
| 09:16.15 | gnarface | kyn_: 1) that's a bit naive; debian will not package non-free drivers/firmware in the official installer, while debian derivatives typically are not hesitant to do so 2) because WEP is less secure |
| 09:16.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell kyn_ about kmuto |
| 09:16.45 | jelly | kmuto's installer image kas wpa support. I have not tested it. |
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| 09:18.10 | kyn_ | jelly: I'd rather change to WEP than download a new iso. |
| 09:18.18 | kyn_ | my connection speed is slow |
| 09:18.29 | jelly | kyn_: you might still need firmware to make the card work |
| 09:18.30 | gnarface | kyn_: why would you need to download a new iso? |
| 09:18.39 | gnarface | kyn_: oh the kmuto installer, nevermind |
| 09:18.44 | kyn_ | gnarface: Kmuto |
| 09:18.58 | gnarface | kyn_: did you ever figure out what wifi device you have? |
| 09:19.12 | gnarface | kyn_: nobody can tell you anything specific until you figure that out |
| 09:19.14 | kyn_ | gnarface: I'm looking now, might aswell |
| 09:19.25 | colegatron | I have 3 debians configured exactly the same, but in one of they I get 'machine.local' instead of 'machine.domain.com' when executing hostname -A. I checked /etc/resolv.conf /etc/hosts /etc/hostname /etc/host.conf /etc/network/interfaces(dns-section) and all seems correct |
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| 09:19.50 | colegatron | what more can I search for ?? |
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| 09:20.40 | gnarface | colegatron: /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 09:21.17 | colegatron | gnarface, it is also identical :-? |
| 09:21.19 | ChrisH | colegatron: can you pastebin the output of above files and add a ifconfig -a from each system? and hostname shpould come back with machine |
| 09:22.05 | gnarface | colegatron: also just for the fun of it run the command 'dnsdomainname' if you have it |
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| 09:22.39 | colegatron | gnarface, it shows nothing on all 3 |
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| 09:23.19 | gnarface | colegatron: :-/ |
| 09:23.27 | gnarface | colegatron: on all of them? |
| 09:23.34 | colegatron | gnarface, yes |
| 09:23.35 | kyn_ | gnarface: How do I find out my network card, I've been searching online for my netbooks model to try and find out |
| 09:23.46 | colegatron | but two of they answers correctly to hostname -A |
| 09:23.48 | kyn_ | is there a way I could do it from Linux? |
| 09:23.58 | kyn_ | Like a terminal command |
| 09:24.06 | ChrisH | kyn_: run lspci and/or lsusb from a running debian/linux |
| 09:24.08 | gnarface | colegatron: are any of them running a dhcp client? |
| 09:24.33 | kyn_ | ChrisH: Using LinuxMint |
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| 09:25.10 | colegatron | gnarface, are all a copy of the same server, so if it is there, it is on all three, but not, in fact there should not be any dhcp client running |
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| 09:25.46 | ChrisH | kyn_: that should work.. if possible pastebin both outputs... and I still recommend the use of a LAN cable to prevent you from hours of frustration. |
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| 09:26.46 | kyn_ | ChrisH: Sorry but is the LAN cable also known as the ethernet cable which plugs into my computer and router? |
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| 09:28.18 | kyn_ | ChrisH: Is this what you need? -> http://pastebin.com/XiBiscNi |
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| 09:31.25 | ChrisH | kyn_: Your understanding on a LAN Cable is correct. And your WLAN Cards is this here: 04:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 09:32.15 | kyn_ | ChrisH: OK, so what do I do? Shall I change to WEP, download a different iso...? |
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| 09:34.19 | ChrisH | kyn_: use an ethernet cable. and install the needed firmware packages before the final reboot manually |
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| 09:35.53 | Woet | is it possible to search through the contents of zip files without extracting? the actual contents of the files |
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| 09:37.15 | kyn_ | ChrisH: How do I install the firmware packages? |
| 09:37.24 | ChrisH | Woet: man zipgrep |
| 09:37.31 | kyn_ | Is it something where I download them in the installer? |
| 09:37.46 | babilen | !tell kyn_ -about installer firmware |
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| 09:39.49 | babilen | kyn_: You can, however, also download a netinstall image with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) or use one of the kmuto images. The latter come with firmware, support WPA[2] WLAN connections and pack firmware (/msg dpkg kmuto). Could you paste the output of "lspci -n" to http://paste.debian.net and tell me a bit about your CPU/RAM ? |
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| 09:40.20 | kyn_ | sure |
| 09:41.19 | kyn_ | babilen: 1GHz AMD Dual core CPU (unsure of model) and 4GB DDR3 RAM |
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| 09:42.06 | babilen | kyn_: I just want to check if you need a newer kernel than .32 (standard kernel in squeeze/stable) on http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ -- I would make sure to grab the amd64 image (if you haven't done that already) for that. (due to the amount of RAM you have) |
| 09:42.43 | kyn_ | I have amd64 iso |
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| 09:43.37 | kyn_ | babilen: 00:00.0 0600: 1022:1510 |
| 09:43.38 | kyn_ | 00:01.0 0300: 1002:9807 |
| 09:43.39 | kyn_ | 00:01.1 0403: 1002:1314 |
| 09:43.39 | kyn_ | 00:04.0 0604: 1022:1512 |
| 09:43.39 | kyn_ | 00:11.0 0106: 1002:4391 (rev 40) |
| 09:43.39 | kyn_ | 00:12.0 0c03: 1002:4397 |
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| 09:44.56 | kyn_ | oops |
| 09:45.09 | babilen | kyn_: Indeed -- Please paste it on http://paste.debian.net not into the channel. :) |
| 09:45.18 | kyn_ | I have |
| 09:45.37 | kyn_ | I tried to copy link location and paste it but looks like it didn't work (= |
| 09:45.56 | babilen | I guess that I'll be able to find it. One moment please. |
| 09:45.59 | kyn_ | babilen: Here's what I meant to paste. |
| 09:46.00 | kyn_ | paste.debian.net/183482 |
| 09:46.07 | kyn_ | http://paste.debian.net/183482 |
| 09:50.03 | babilen | kyn_: Yeah, I found it. I've just checked and you don't necessarily need a newer kernel for the installation. You do, however, either need to download the netinstall image with firmware for your ethernet card or provide the firmware (http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek ; /msg dpkg installer firmware) on a USB stick. |
| 09:50.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | closed sourrce broadcom drivers suck.... |
| 09:50.55 | gnarface | agreed |
| 09:51.11 | gnarface | furthermore, broadcom cards are sketchy too |
| 09:51.22 | babilen | kyn_: Your radeon card needs a newer kernel though so I would enable backports (/msg dpkg bdo) after the initial install and install a newer kernel as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel". A newer Xorg (the graphical system) version wouldn't hurt as well which you can install as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo xorg". That should be all you need unless you *cannot* connect to the internet via ethernet. |
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| 09:51.43 | kyn_ | so confusing )= |
| 09:52.39 | babilen | kyn_: What is confusing? I've just given you a bunch of information, but the single steps are easy. Did you burn the (non-firmware) image already? What is your current status? Do you want to install from CD or USB? ... |
| 09:53.18 | kyn_ | I'm downloading the amd64 large iso file, and am planning to burn it to my USB using unetbootin. |
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| 09:53.43 | gnarface | hahaha |
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| 09:55.00 | babilen | kyn_: unetbootin wouldn't work and the "large iso file" probably wouldn't help you as well. (which one exactly) -- Please read "/msg dpkg usb install" to learn how to create a suitable USB installer. (essentially: "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" (where /dev/sdX is your USB stick (check "dmesg"))) |
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| 09:55.18 | babilen | kyn_: How can you connect to the internet? |
| 09:55.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am tempted to just buy a fob i can use any sugestions |
| 09:55.28 | kyn_ | babilen: Unetbootin works for all distros |
| 09:55.30 | Eryn_1983_FL | like something from walmart the only store around hehe |
| 09:55.35 | kyn_ | I've used it for debian before |
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| 09:56.07 | kyn_ | babilen: So I need amd64 netinstall image? |
| 09:56.24 | babilen | kyn_: We've had numerous reports about problems with unetbootin -- And it won't solve your firmware problem at all. I am also not sure what could be easier than "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX ; sync" but well ... |
| 09:56.34 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: lately of the cheap ones i've been seeing on sale everywhere Patriot brand has shown me the the best consistent durability and cost.... can't speak for longevity |
| 09:56.37 | babilen | kyn_: How can you connect to the internet? |
| 09:56.50 | kyn_ | What? |
| 09:57.08 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: the sweet spot seems to be right around 8GB |
| 09:57.20 | kyn_ | uh okay |
| 09:57.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | gnarface: hmm are they OSS driver on the deb cd? or atleast something that dont go download it when i try to install the deb? |
| 09:57.23 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: although they're likely to be "marketers gigabytes" |
| 09:57.23 | babilen | kyn_: What methods of establishing a connection to the internet are available to you? |
| 09:57.42 | kyn_ | babilen: LAN, wireless.. |
| 09:57.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | no a wifif fob |
| 09:58.05 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: hah oh sorry i thought you meant like a usb flash key |
| 09:58.15 | Eryn_1983_FL | wish i had a lan nearby ould solve all my problems |
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| 09:58.28 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: i can't recommend any usb wifi devices, sorry |
| 09:59.10 | kyn_ | babilen: Is network boot iso what I want? |
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| 09:59.24 | babilen | kyn_: Ok, thanks. I would personally recommend to just download the image with firmware (/msg dpkg firmware image) and use that for the installation. |
| 10:00.35 | kyn_ | babilen: Okay downloading |
| 10:01.03 | kyn_ | might have to wait a bit at 150kB/s though )= |
| 10:01.43 | kyn_ | babilen: So with this firmware image I will be able to connect to the internet through wireless or will I be needing LAN cable? |
| 10:02.38 | babilen | kyn_: I would recommend to *not* install the Desktop task during the initial installation as well. Doing so would pull in a *lot* of packages that you probably don't want or need. Do you know which desktop environment or window manager you would like to use? |
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| 10:03.10 | kyn_ | babilen: Xfce? |
| 10:03.11 | babilen | kyn_: You still need the LAN unless you connect to an open network. |
| 10:04.11 | kyn_ | Does this install the desktop environment I want with all the Debian packages? |
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| 10:08.48 | kyn_ | babilen: Did you say something would be wrong with my radeon graphics card driver? There's this game I play, and for some reason the FPS keeps dropping on Linux but CPU and RAM usage is low and I think it's a problem with the card. |
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| 10:13.11 | Losowski | Speaking of Radeon, FYI, an entire slew of driver fixes were just submitted to the the 3.6-rc1 Kernel: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=930a93a5ef69ee06057e3ccd8c90b23e98ad3c11 |
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| 10:28.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats vendor should i get my wifi fob from? whos got the easiest install for debian right now? |
| 10:29.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | cisco? nergear? off brand? |
| 10:29.32 | kwork | http://linuxwireless.org/ |
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| 10:31.55 | babilen | kyn_: Sorry -- Had to leave for a moment. There is nothing really wrong with your card, but it needs a newer kernel and version of Xorg if you want to use the free driver. You can install both easily from backports as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo", "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and "/msg dpkg bdo xorg". |
| 10:32.09 | Solak | tries to determine the proper debian install cd... |
| 10:32.48 | babilen | Solak: I can help with that. Please tell me a bit about the hardware you are installing on and how you can connect to the internet. |
| 10:32.50 | Solak | I want to install it in VirtualBox on A MacBook Pro (late 2011) with OS X 10.7 |
| 10:33.09 | kyn_ | babilen: Will you be here in about an hour so I can sort that out later? |
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| 10:33.21 | babilen | kyn_: Most likely, yes. |
| 10:33.24 | taipres | sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) does work |
| 10:33.33 | taipres | says E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-2.6.32-308.8.2.el5.028stab101.1 |
| 10:33.36 | babilen | Solak: What do you plan to use the "box" for? |
| 10:33.47 | kyn_ | babilen: Okay, I have a USB stick, so I connect to LAN and just basically follow the steps right? |
| 10:33.55 | babilen | !tell taipres -about bat |
| 10:34.08 | kyn_ | *Made the usb bootable |
| 10:34.09 | babilen | taipres: Which distribution do you use? Where is your kernel from? |
| 10:34.18 | taipres | debian 6 |
| 10:34.26 | Solak | babilen: mostly email and development (C programming). |
| 10:34.36 | taipres | kernel shouldbe stock |
| 10:34.45 | taipres | 2.6 |
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| 10:35.11 | themill | taipres: that looks like a VPS where you don't run your own kernel |
| 10:35.13 | Solak | babilen: I now use KUbuntu on a P4 with claws-mail as email-client (a higher version than Debian stable has, but it seems to work). |
| 10:36.03 | babilen | kyn_: Yeah, it should load the firmware and you should be able to configure the network (ethernet). Just don't install the desktop task (only standard). Continue by upgrading the kernel and then install Xorg from squeeze-backports. (apt-get -t squeeze-backports install xorg) You can then continue to install XFCE by running "apt-get install xfce4 xfce4-goodies". |
| 10:36.28 | taipres | themill alright thanks |
| 10:36.43 | themill | taipres: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 10:36.44 | babilen | Solak: I would just use the netinstall (/msg dpkg netinst) for the initial installation. How familiar are you with Debian and Linux in general? |
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| 10:37.16 | taipres | themill own firewall |
| 10:37.37 | babilen | taipres: Could you provide the information dpkg (our bot) just asked you about? It looks as if you are working on a virtual machine or some other non-standard setup. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:37.57 | taipres | themill already addressed it babilen |
| 10:38.01 | taipres | i'll try a non-vps |
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| 10:38.28 | Solak | babilen: I used debian from 1997-2009, fully since 2002... |
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| 10:39.09 | Solak | babilen: but the main problem is that I'm not sure which cpu I should select: i386 will certainly work, but Intel Core i7 is 64bits, and that might be nice when it comes to speed... |
| 10:41.45 | taipres | iptables runs on my vps fine |
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| 10:41.49 | taipres | that's kernel driver isn't it? |
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| 10:44.11 | babilen | Solak: You definitely want the amd64 image for that CPU. When it comes to the release you have two options: 1. Run stable (squeeze) and install a few packages from backports (/msg dpkg bdo) such as the kernel and Xorg. (/msg dpkg bdo kernel ; /msg dpkg bdo xorg) 2. Track testing (wheezy) which is the currently frozen development branch that is *not* stable (/msg dpkg stable), but might appeal to you if you are a developer and don't mind the extra ... |
| 10:44.17 | babilen | ... work (bugs, changing system, ...) and want newer software. |
| 10:44.34 | babilen | !tell Solak -about why amd64 |
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| 10:45.51 | kyn_ | babilen: still have problems |
| 10:45.56 | babilen | kyn_: Hmm? |
| 10:46.07 | Solak | babilen: yes, from the docs I got the hint that ia64 would not work. thanks for the info! |
| 10:46.14 | kyn_ | it still can't find my network |
| 10:46.55 | Solak | babilen: stable sounds nice, so does testing when it comes on more recent versions... for email that doesn't matter, for gcc neither I think... |
| 10:46.58 | babilen | kyn_: Ok -- That confuses me a little, but it *might* be that the firmware-realtek firmware pacakge is *not* part of the firmware image. |
| 10:47.29 | kyn_ | babilen: I think I'll just stick to this distro, but please could you help me sort out the radeon thing? I think it's the reason I can't play some |
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| 10:47.46 | babilen | Solak: yeah, unless you work on it directly it doesn't matter. If you need a newer gcc than 4.4 you might want to consider it though. Stable is *definitely* the recommended and supported choice, just wanted to mention the alternative. |
| 10:47.58 | Solak | babilen: kubuntu has 3.8.0, debian testing has 3.8.1 and stable has 3.7.6, but from the debian install on my powerbook I got the idea that the 3.8.x config for claws-mail works on 3.7.6 as well. |
| 10:48.10 | babilen | ... and we lost yet another user (kyn) to the firmware thing :( |
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| 10:49.12 | babilen | Solak: You can easily backport a newer claws-mail version to stable as detailed in "/msg dpkg ssb" -- That would give you 3.8.1-1 |
| 10:49.21 | TheSarge | So Stable now uses Grub2? |
| 10:49.36 | TheSarge | And Grub2 no longer uses a Menu.lst? |
| 10:49.38 | babilen | TheSarge: It does, yes. (Detailed in the release notes, among other places) |
| 10:49.43 | kyn_ | Why can't Debian sort it out? Don't they want to support paid firmware and drivers? |
| 10:50.03 | TheSarge | Okay well I just installed Stable and I have no Menu.lst in my /boot/grub? |
| 10:50.04 | babilen | !tell kyn_ -about firmware |
| 10:50.26 | babilen | kyn_: You might also want to read http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/03/14/missing-firmware-in-debian-learn-how-to-deal-with-the-problem/ |
| 10:50.26 | TheSarge | So if it isnt because of Grub2, then what gives? |
| 10:50.31 | Solak | babilen: yes, that's a nice feature... |
| 10:50.36 | TheSarge | babilen: ? |
| 10:50.53 | babilen | TheSarge: menu.lst is no longer used. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:51.20 | TheSarge | It is no longer used? Its used in Grub 1 |
| 10:51.26 | babilen | TheSarge: I mean "It does" as in "yes, stable uses grub2" |
| 10:51.32 | TheSarge | Ao you take back what you said about stable using Grub2? |
| 10:51.40 | babilen | TheSarge: And grub2 works differently. What are you trying to do? |
| 10:51.48 | TheSarge | Cause you JUST said stable still uses Grub 1 |
| 10:51.58 | TheSarge | Did you not? |
| 10:52.11 | themill | TheSarge: feel free to stop shoving words in people's mouths and concentrate on fixing your problem |
| 10:52.31 | TheSarge | Seriously, lmao? |
| 10:52.48 | TheSarge | I need to add an entry to my list of boot options |
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| 10:52.53 | babilen | TheSarge: No: Stable uses grub2 and grub2 doesn't use menu.lst but is configured differently. You are only allowed to edit /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/*_custom -- Changes are applied with "update-grub" and it generates configuration in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 10:53.14 | babilen | TheSarge: What are you trying to do? |
| 10:53.22 | TheSarge | I just told you |
| 10:53.32 | TheSarge | Add an entry to my list |
| 10:53.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | kwork: are those oss drivers? |
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| 10:53.48 | babilen | TheSarge: Entry for what? |
| 10:53.59 | TheSarge | Something I need to boot |
| 10:54.05 | TheSarge | Why does it matter? |
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| 10:54.17 | TheSarge | What file do i edit now that Menu.lst is gone? |
| 10:54.22 | CybDev | *sigh* |
| 10:54.23 | babilen | TheSarge: What is this "Something" you are referring to? It matters because the best way to solve this problem depends on the details. |
| 10:54.33 | berarma | TheSarge: I guess this is relevant: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.config-bootloader.html#section.config-grub |
| 10:54.40 | babilen | TheSarge: I just told you which files you can edit and how to apply changes in there. |
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| 10:56.05 | TheSarge | I lost my thumbdrive so I am installing another OS by extracting the vmlinuz and initrd files to a directory along with the iso so I can boot the installer |
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| 10:56.26 | Chiiiiiz | hello!! |
| 10:56.37 | TheSarge | This was simple with the original grub |
| 10:56.43 | TheSarge | I did it all the time |
| 10:56.46 | babilen | TheSarge: grub should find that installation automagically if you did it correctly. Did you try to run "update-grub" ? Does it find that install? |
| 10:57.00 | webchat_99484 | Hey, does Debian come pre installed with flash? I plan to be watching loads of porn with Debian and need good quality videos. |
| 10:57.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | how can i tell which ones install offline and which ones i need a net connection to use? |
| 10:57.10 | Chiiiiiz | I try to install nginx on debian, but, it can't find the packages php5-apc and php5-fpm. Where can I find them? |
| 10:57.18 | babilen | TheSarge: You can also add a manual entry in /etc/grub.d/41_custom for example, but why would you if it can be done for you automatically? |
| 10:57.40 | TheSarge | Did it correctly? I did mkdir /dirname and mounted the iso on loop then put the two files in the directory with the iso.. |
| 10:57.51 | TheSarge | Am i supposed to do more? |
| 10:58.04 | TheSarge | Before i would add the entry and point it at the directory |
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| 10:58.09 | TheSarge | and it would work |
| 10:58.18 | webchat_99484 | Helllllllllllloooooooooooo? |
| 10:59.00 | babilen | webchat_99484: Please relax and wait for people to answer your question. Patience is a virtue and the manner in which you asked your question could be considered, well, problematic. |
| 10:59.20 | berarma | webchat_99484: it comes with pornflash pre-installed, an optimized flash version for porn |
| 10:59.23 | TheSarge | Im curious as to what that script could possibly check to find this directory I created and know from the two files and an ISo that it is going to boot? |
| 10:59.29 | babilen | !tell webchat_99484 -about adobe flash |
| 10:59.36 | babilen | berarma: Please don't. |
| 10:59.51 | webchat_99484 | berarma: Porn flash? Does it support HD? |
| 11:00.06 | TheSarge | Obvious troll ^ |
| 11:00.07 | berarma | webchat_99484: just joking |
| 11:00.17 | babilen | TheSarge: It wouldn't find that -- So you have to come up with a suitable entry and add it to one of the _custom files. |
| 11:00.31 | webchat_99484 | berarma: Dammit. |
| 11:00.44 | themill | webchat_99484: why don't you just finish the installation babilen was helping you with earlier then worry about installing applications. |
| 11:00.53 | TheSarge | babilen: So just put the exact same thing I would have put in the Grub1 menu.lst? |
| 11:01.06 | webchat_99484 | themill: I gave up. |
| 11:01.14 | babilen | TheSarge: Most likely not as the format changed between grub1 and grub2 |
| 11:01.46 | babilen | takes a break now |
| 11:01.49 | TheSarge | So now I have to read a bunch of new stuff to learn to do something I could already do before easily? |
| 11:02.05 | TheSarge | This is why linux fails as a desktop btw. |
| 11:02.08 | themill | TheSarge: feel free to install lilo. |
| 11:02.08 | TheSarge | Just saying. |
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| 11:02.20 | TheSarge | No idea how to do this with lilo |
| 11:02.25 | nkuttler | TheSarge: welcome to a changing world |
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| 11:02.30 | themill | ahh... so sometimes progress is needed. |
| 11:02.31 | TheSarge | I know how to do it with grub1 |
| 11:02.42 | gedO | Hey grate admins, I need help with courier |
| 11:02.47 | berarma | TheSarge: why did you upgrade? |
| 11:02.51 | TheSarge | Changing is one thing, no sense of standards is another |
| 11:02.58 | gedO | How to restart whole courier system? |
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| 11:03.14 | nkuttler | gedO: with the init script? |
| 11:03.29 | gedO | nkuttler, ok, where to find it? |
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| 11:03.42 | Chiiiiiz | Anyone??? |
| 11:03.43 | TheSarge | Probably would be easier to just do a whole new root chroot |
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| 11:03.55 | nkuttler | gedO: symlinks to the enabled scripts are in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 11:05.55 | kairo | !list |
| 11:05.55 | dpkg | kairo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 11:06.08 | TheSarge | Those examples in /etc/grub.d are like program code |
| 11:06.13 | TheSarge | are you serious |
| 11:06.21 | TheSarge | Its going to be this difficult? |
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| 11:06.41 | TheSarge | to manually add an entry to my list in grub.. |
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| 11:08.21 | babilen | TheSarge: You should read /boot/grub/grub.cfg (but do *not* edit it) and http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/index.html -- You can then make changes in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and run "update-grub" |
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| 11:08.42 | TheSarge | Im reading something right now |
| 11:08.48 | TheSarge | This is so rediculous |
| 11:08.58 | babilen | TheSarge: #grub is probably a good place to ask more specific questions |
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| 11:09.45 | TheSarge | Not really since no one is there at this hour |
| 11:09.50 | TheSarge | So ill just stick to here |
| 11:10.02 | themill | or you could just rant in /dev/null; that will also get you suitable answers |
| 11:10.12 | babilen | TheSarge: And please stop whining. *We* are trying to help you and whining here doesn't help at all. You are also *really* late in learning about grub2, but that is a good thing as more people know about it now. |
| 11:10.21 | TheSarge | No thx |
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| 11:17.25 | TheSarge | Needs to be sda5 /backtrack/vmlinuz for kernel and /backtrack/initrd.gz for the initrd? |
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| 11:17.42 | TheSarge | Can anyone help me figure out how to do this in Grub2 please? |
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| 11:18.19 | themill | I thought you said you only had windows and were installing debian? |
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| 11:21.57 | TheSarge | is Sda5 hd0, 4? |
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| 11:27.12 | TheSarge | Hello? |
| 11:27.49 | movl | yes, it is |
| 11:28.19 | movl | grub starts numbering from 0, in /dev the numbering starts from 1 |
| 11:28.24 | TheSarge | no its hd0, 5 I thought? |
| 11:28.34 | TheSarge | Oh well I bet that my issue |
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| 11:28.34 | movl | ^ |
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| 11:28.40 | TheSarge | lemme try |
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| 11:30.58 | TheSarge | Can you tell why this doesnt work? |
| 11:31.00 | TheSarge | menuentry "Install Backtrack" { |
| 11:31.01 | TheSarge | set root=(hd0,4) |
| 11:31.01 | TheSarge | linux /backtrack/vmlinuz xforcevesa |
| 11:31.01 | TheSarge | initrd /backtrack/initrd.gz |
| 11:31.03 | TheSarge | } |
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| 11:31.23 | themill | TheSarge: I thought you said you only had windows and were installing debian? |
| 11:31.27 | TheSarge | Then I do update-grub but it fails |
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| 11:31.35 | TheSarge | No I have debian now |
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| 11:32.06 | TheSarge | sda5 is hd0,4 right? |
| 11:32.15 | TheSarge | So I am not sure why it doesnt like that entry? |
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| 11:33.40 | themill | tries to work out what this has to do with booting off an iso image |
| 11:34.10 | TheSarge | http://www.linuxforu.com/2009/03/install-linux-straight-from-an-iso/ |
| 11:34.19 | TheSarge | That will answer that question |
| 11:34.38 | TheSarge | Only issue is it gives directions for grub1 |
| 11:35.00 | themill | grub can directly boot a bootable iso image |
| 11:35.36 | themill | in any case, in grub2, devices are numbered from 0, but partitions start from 1. |
| 11:36.00 | Mysterytrain | does remastersys still work? and/or still being developed? I heard somewhere that they were discontinuing production of it. |
| 11:37.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | fwhat package is iwlist and iwconfig in?? |
| 11:37.10 | TheSarge | themill: so sda5 is hd0, 5 not hd0, 4 |
| 11:38.12 | babilen | !tell Eryn_1983_FL -about apt-file |
| 11:38.52 | TheSarge | Still says |
| 11:39.00 | TheSarge | ls: cannot access /media/BA2047022046C4DB: No such file or directory |
| 11:39.09 | TheSarge | when I do update-grub |
| 11:39.46 | babilen | Eryn_1983_FL: And it is wireless-tools -- apt-file search -x "bin/iwconfig$" |
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| 11:40.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok.. |
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| 11:43.14 | TheSarge | themill: you said it can directly boot a bootable image file? |
| 11:43.24 | TheSarge | So I dont need to do all of this? |
| 11:43.33 | TheSarge | What do I need to do then? |
| 11:45.16 | TheSarge | menuentry "Ubuntu Live 9.10 32bit" { loopback loop /boot/iso/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso linux (loop)/casper/vmlinuz boot=casper iso-scan/filename=/boot/iso/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso noeject noprompt -- initrd (loop)/casper/initrd.lz |
| 11:45.21 | TheSarge | } |
| 11:45.24 | TheSarge | Something like that? |
| 11:46.06 | TheSarge | Thats even more confusing actually haha |
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| 11:47.55 | TheSarge | omg win http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-boot-iso-with-grub2-easy-way.html |
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| 11:54.51 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:56.36 | abrotman | heh |
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| 11:58.46 | Eryn_1983_FL | time to update and then install stuff woohoo |
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| 12:00.36 | Eryn_1983_FL | is there a way to finish the install i start with just the base? perhaps a certain bpackage? |
| 12:01.05 | _droid | hhi people, i wanted to know if there is any possibility to make cups respond/listen on a specific networ interface |
| 12:01.17 | _droid | *k |
| 12:01.17 | _droid | how do i do that |
| 12:01.48 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: you are allowed to select no packages at all |
| 12:01.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | i bet its in the condfig somewhere.. |
| 12:01.53 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: at least in expert mode... |
| 12:01.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
| 12:02.03 | phix | ETA on Wheezy? |
| 12:02.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | guess i willinstall manuall |
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| 12:02.31 | gnarface | Eryn_1983_FL: if you don't select any particular server package group or package set it still finishes the install you just have the bare minimum |
| 12:02.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 12:03.03 | Eryn_1983_FL | thats what i got but i now got net access so is there anything to do i can to get x to install and stuff? |
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| 12:03.55 | gnarface | the easiest way would be to pick a window manager and then install it by package name using aptitude or apt-get, which will pull in X as a dependency automatically |
| 12:04.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 12:04.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | i will do that once she is updated and i dont bork the wifif hehe |
| 12:05.29 | abrotman | phix: when RC bugs reach 0 |
| 12:05.49 | abrotman | phix: based on prior trends .. 6-ish months if nothing explodes |
| 12:06.01 | abrotman | thinks he has been saying six months for two months :) |
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| 12:06.16 | phix | abrotman: ok, will wheezy have a samba4 package? |
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| 12:06.28 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey is there any chance on getting a .debcreated that references a seperate iso for the non free stuff? |
| 12:06.30 | abrotman | phix: look at packages.debian.org/samba |
| 12:06.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | so that when peeps like me got no net access they can still get wifif to work |
| 12:06.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | ? |
| 12:06.50 | abrotman | Eryn_1983_FL: there's a firmware installer |
| 12:06.56 | abrotman | !tell Eryn_1983_FL about firmware iso |
| 12:07.02 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 12:07.31 | phix | abrotman: heh, yeah well I have been using debian for a while so I know how long it takes to release the next version, the gap between woody and sarge was ridiculous though |
| 12:08.08 | abrotman | phix: for a different reason |
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| 12:08.31 | abrotman | phix: but yeah, i think there are roughly 500 RC bugs, and history would say 6-9 months |
| 12:08.42 | phix | abrotman: ok, they need any assistance? |
| 12:08.57 | abrotman | sure .. file and fix bugs! |
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| 12:09.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | col |
| 12:09.21 | phix | done, do I need to find bugs or fix existing bugs? |
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| 12:09.29 | phix | or both? |
| 12:09.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | cool |
| 12:09.50 | abrotman | phix: you can do both .. finding more bugs makes the release better, fixing them makes it better also :) |
| 12:10.00 | phix | or fix bugs that I created in order to fix a previous bug? |
| 12:10.03 | abrotman | i'd rather it take longer to release as long as more bugs are fixed |
| 12:10.21 | phix | yeah I agree |
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| 12:10.50 | phix | but the more lines of code the more lines of bugs :) |
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| 12:11.03 | subb1 | hi all |
| 12:11.31 | abrotman | phix: not always .. |
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| 12:12.13 | abrotman | i'll spare the lessons of my Uni C++ prof that had some urge to cram 10 lines of code into a single line just because he could |
| 12:12.14 | subb1 | I would like to how rsyslog and syslog-ng could be deployed to simultaneously coz "apt-get install syslog-ng" removes rsyslog installation automatically. |
| 12:12.24 | phix | yeah there is always a percentage, you fix a bug which creates another one, you fix that one and another one appears, unless you have some really good bug avoidance software, just need to hope there are no bugs in that :P |
| 12:12.33 | subb1 | I use debian6 |
| 12:13.15 | phix | abrotman: haha, yeah I have a similar experience except my prof has some urge to use 2 lines of perl code instead :P |
| 12:13.34 | mjt | subb1: a system can have only one syslog reading /dev/log |
| 12:13.58 | abrotman | phix: my prof was a moderator for comp.lang.c++.moderated .. he really loved that language :) |
| 12:14.01 | phix | yeah :) |
| 12:14.27 | phix | I liked C++, until I was forced to write my code in header files when using templates :? |
| 12:14.29 | phix | :/ |
| 12:14.40 | subb1 | mjt, the syslog-ng needs to be used to transporting some local log files over tcp to a central server. So only rsyslog will be listening to /dev/log. |
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| 12:15.11 | abrotman | at any rate .. if you're serious about fixing bugs, we can redirect you to a channel that might be of more help, or to a web page that lists bugs that need to be resolved |
| 12:15.19 | mjt | subb1: syslog does not transport logfiles, it writes them. |
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| 12:16.04 | phix | abrotman: ok, I am keen to contribute |
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| 12:16.06 | subb1 | mjt, yes syslog writes them to /var/log . But syslog-ng can transport data over network via tcp and udp. |
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| 12:16.26 | phix | subb1: I thought normal syslog can do that |
| 12:16.30 | mjt | subb1: not from a file, but from /dev/log. and so does rsyslog. |
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| 12:16.56 | phix | subb1: my ADSL router can do that, then again it is probably using rsyslog |
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| 12:17.47 | subb1 | mjt, syslog-ng can read from local files and then transport them over network. As these local log files are getting updated by log entries, syslog-ng simultaneously transmits them over network to remote server without any delay. |
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| 12:19.34 | subb1 | mjt, see here > http://www.syslog.org/logged/reading-logs-from-a-file-in-syslog-ng/ |
| 12:19.48 | mjt | well. i told everything already. if you can trick syslog-ng to read from a local file somehow and send that to remote syslog, fine. In debian all syslogds conflict with each other because their task is to read /dev/log and put stuff to logfiles (and maybe send to remote). |
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| 12:20.17 | mjt | so you can't have two syslogds installed at once |
| 12:20.45 | subb1 | mjt, even if both are not listening to the same source? |
| 12:20.59 | mjt | you can't INSTALL two at once. what is not clear? |
| 12:21.23 | subb1 | mjt, okay. thanks. |
| 12:21.25 | phix | mjt: even if you compile from source and run 2000 instances of it? |
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| 12:21.53 | mjt | phix: i was talking about official debian packages. |
| 12:22.50 | phix | ah ok |
| 12:22.56 | phix | my mistake |
| 12:23.09 | mjt | besides, having two of them is kinda not smart anyway, since any of them can send logs to remote already |
| 12:23.12 | mjt | oh he left. |
| 12:24.26 | grobda24 | What is the warning about having to use packages from Sid using Debian-installer ? |
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| 12:24.34 | phix | abrotman: alot of the packages with bugs in them, that are stopping the release of Wheezy, are packages I have never used or needed |
| 12:24.52 | grobda24 | CAn I just download and use my normal package manager in Testing ? |
| 12:25.04 | phix | grobda24: what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:27.01 | grobda24 | phix: install kernel 3.5 into Wheezy testing |
| 12:27.11 | abrotman | phix: that's okay .. if you can code .. you can fix them ? |
| 12:27.21 | abrotman | sid doesn't have a 3.5 kernel |
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| 12:28.13 | phix | abrotman: I have coding experience |
| 12:29.54 | grobda24 | abrotman: ok, sorry experimental ... http://packages.debian.org/experimental/kernel-image-3.5-trunk-686-pae-di |
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| 12:30.19 | abrotman | grobda24: you can do anything you like ... we can't stop you |
| 12:30.25 | abrotman | it's not recommended though |
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| 12:31.05 | grobda24 | Hmmmm ... do you have a rough estimation as to how long that might end up in Wheezy, or in a state where I can install it relatively safely ? |
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| 12:31.46 | abrotman | it won't |
| 12:31.54 | Sevet | wheezy is in feature freeze |
| 12:31.55 | abrotman | Wheezy has frozen |
| 12:31.55 | fwisses | Hey #debian, any idea how to turn on mousekeys. I know I could just Alt-NumLock to turn it on, but that was long ago. |
| 12:32.38 | grobda24 | So how about what is going to become the sucessor to Wheezy ? |
| 12:32.51 | Sevet | sid'll get it, unstable will get it when wheezy is launched |
| 12:33.07 | abrotman | grobda24: it doesn't exist yet |
| 12:33.20 | grobda24 | So I should wait until it goes from experimental to Sid |
| 12:33.33 | abrotman | which won't happen until wheezy releases |
| 12:33.42 | abrotman | what do you need a 3.5 kernel for ? |
| 12:33.47 | gnarface | is gparted on the debian livecd? |
| 12:33.56 | gnarface | like, on the gnome one? |
| 12:34.03 | abrotman | should be |
| 12:34.09 | abrotman | or some variant of it |
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| 12:35.39 | grobda24 | abrotman: these patches ... http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=7536c301f8817214629e80fa06b5b5c93df3ad52 |
| 12:35.41 | grobda24 | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=284a8dd6f0fb16029198b5b34437499d504b567c |
| 12:35.54 | grobda24 | I was building my own kernel, I might go back to that |
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| 12:36.44 | grobda24 | says that is hardware support for a piece of sound hardware |
| 12:37.13 | abrotman | grobda24: you can the kernel from experiemental .. no idea what the side effects will be |
| 12:39.20 | grobda24 | abrotman: ok. do you happen to have a guide to hand on how to do that ? otherwise I'll search again |
| 12:39.41 | grobda24 | cusit's a udeb package. never used those |
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| 12:44.22 | Sevet | grobda24: that's because it's the kernel for the debian-installer, not debian itself... udeb is the stripped down format so more stuff can fit on the cd. you won't be able to install a udeb on a debian install. |
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| 12:46.13 | Sevet | you'd want this one http://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-3.5-trunk-686-pae |
| 12:46.17 | Sevet | (same source package) |
| 12:46.43 | abrotman | it's not a udev .. |
| 12:46.48 | abrotman | udeb .. |
| 12:46.50 | abrotman | is it ? |
| 12:46.55 | abrotman | shoulndn't be |
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| 12:47.47 | Sevet | abrotman: he was just looking at the wrong binary, kernel-image-*-di not linux-image-* |
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| 12:48.57 | rbwackeldackel | exit |
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| 12:52.20 | helena | Lets say I want to synbolic link /home/mh0/public_html to /var/www/~mh0 ... How would I do it? I tried ln -s /home/mh0/public_html /var/www/~mh0 |
| 12:52.39 | helena | But then public_html is in /var/www/~mh0 |
| 12:53.09 | helena | I want ~mh0 to have the same contents as public_html |
| 12:53.51 | gnarface | then ~mh0 should not exist first |
| 12:54.01 | helena | oh |
| 12:54.30 | gnarface | symbolic links are not like hard links |
| 12:54.35 | gnarface | they're more like windows shortcuts |
| 12:54.43 | gnarface | they exist on the filesystem |
| 12:54.58 | themill | helena: why are you wanting to do this, btw? |
| 12:55.05 | grobda24 | Sevet: ah, thanks ! |
| 12:55.16 | Sevet | helena: another way to do it is to use UserDir to setup an alias |
| 12:55.24 | grobda24 | Dependencies listed as well. thought something was not right |
| 12:55.38 | Sevet | (or equivalent if not apache) |
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| 12:56.31 | helena | themill: This... |
| 12:56.34 | helena | http://rosie.bozyakaegitim.gov.tr/~mh0/ |
| 12:56.44 | helena | what I'd love tho... |
| 12:57.02 | helena | is if by default when I add a user this would automatically be done |
| 12:57.04 | helena | you know? |
| 12:57.11 | Sevet | the usual way to do it is a UserDir alias, because that works with all usernames without having to setup any symlinks |
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| 12:57.21 | helena | :o |
| 12:57.25 | Sevet | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_userdir.html#userdir |
| 12:57.27 | helena | Yaaaaaay! :3 |
| 12:57.31 | helena | okay thankies! :D |
| 12:58.13 | Sevet | there's a tutorial link at the bottom of that page that's worth a look |
| 12:58.42 | helena | I don't use apache. lol |
| 12:58.43 | Sevet | ah :) |
| 12:58.44 | helena | and I wont go near it! |
| 12:58.52 | babilen | What do you use? |
| 12:58.55 | helena | It has exploits that I don't like. |
| 12:58.56 | Sevet | then your web server is likely to have an equivalent... |
| 12:58.59 | helena | I use nginx |
| 12:59.27 | babilen | helena: http://wiki.nginx.org/UserDir enjoy |
| 12:59.40 | helena | yaaaaaaay! :3 |
| 12:59.46 | helena | okay thankies :3 |
| 12:59.52 | helena | who is jessie? :o |
| 13:00.54 | gnarface | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessie_%28Toy_Story%29 |
| 13:01.11 | babilen | helena: You might want to discuss this in #nginx though and I am not sure how the Debian package is configured out of the box, so reading /usr/share/doc/nginx*/README.Debian* is something you should do as well. |
| 13:01.17 | helena | Oh yeah |
| 13:01.36 | helena | the debian distros are named after toy story charactors! |
| 13:01.38 | helena | AWESOME! |
| 13:01.46 | helena | <3 toy story :3 |
| 13:01.58 | helena | That's awesome I'm soo happy I use Debian. |
| 13:02.13 | helena | babilen: Okay thankies :3 |
| 13:02.32 | Sevet | the testing one is sid, after the kid next door that breaks all the toys ;) |
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| 13:02.54 | helena | Sevet: :D |
| 13:02.58 | helena | <3 |
| 13:03.21 | gnarface | Sevet: you mean unstable |
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| 13:03.37 | Sevet | ...yes |
| 13:03.39 | Sevet | :) |
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| 13:05.18 | gnarface | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
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| 13:08.52 | jeredepp | hello everyone, is there a way to rename all files in a directory recursively i got a project in which i have x filles like AAclassThis.php and i want to rename them to BBclassThis.php, does anyone have some examples for something like this? |
| 13:08.56 | heoa | What is the Vim Full version in Debian? |
| 13:09.04 | heoa | I want to get Grep -working with Vim |
| 13:09.36 | jeredepp | may i ask for what? |
| 13:09.41 | karelbarel1 | hello all, could somebody help please? I'm on debian testing and yesterday i've upgraded to mysql-server-5.5:i386 5.5.24+dfsg-6 but since the time i can't run import using symfony / donctrine 2 data fixtures which reads sql file containing multiple queries. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 13:10.02 | themill | jeredepp: the rename utility can do that for you |
| 13:10.09 | gnarface | hot damn gzrecover and cpio ftw |
| 13:10.26 | ChrisH | jeredepp: I write some small shell script for this job most times. just a few lines of code.. |
| 13:10.27 | phix | gnarface: <3 |
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| 13:11.02 | ChrisH | gnarface: Cool... rename is smarter then shell scripting. |
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| 13:11.24 | jeredepp | i'm gonna check it out |
| 13:11.25 | jeredepp | thanks |
| 13:11.38 | themill | vidir is the other approach for such things |
| 13:11.56 | jeredepp | heoa: may i ask for what reason |
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| 13:16.40 | jeredepp | nice source here for renaming options http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/8374/rename-all-files-which-contain-the-sub-string-foo-replacing-it-with-bar |
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| 13:18.00 | sniggles | how do i check what version of debian i am running |
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| 13:18.30 | jeredepp | cat /etc/issue |
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| 13:19.00 | themill | jeredepp: most of them look like "I don't know how to use prename(1)" |
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| 13:19.08 | helena | Why Debian 8? |
| 13:19.14 | helena | 7 isn't out yet! |
| 13:19.15 | helena | lol |
| 13:19.17 | jeredepp | I don't know how to use prename(1) :) |
| 13:19.22 | ChrisH | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:19.29 | helena | O_O |
| 13:19.54 | helena | ChrisH: It says... |
| 13:19.56 | helena | zheezy/sid |
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| 13:20.03 | helena | which is debian 6. something |
| 13:20.10 | babilen | !show sources.list helena |
| 13:20.11 | dpkg | helena: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 13:20.22 | jeredepp | themill: now i know, also looks less hackier thanks |
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| 13:20.33 | helena | babilen: Why you showing me that? |
| 13:20.39 | babilen | helena: Put that on http://paste.debian.net please. It looks as if you installed some packages from wheezy or sid. |
| 13:20.41 | helena | I know what sources.list is! |
| 13:20.48 | themill | jeredepp: yep. And doesn't fall into the trap of trying to parse the output of ls. |
| 13:20.49 | helena | ... |
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| 13:21.02 | helena | I'm on wheezy |
| 13:21.07 | helena | !!! |
| 13:21.07 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 13:21.13 | jeredepp | themill: no never again |
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| 13:21.16 | babilen | helena: I would like to see yours - It looks as if you mixed stable (squeeze) with testing or unstable (wheezy and sid respectively) which wouldn't be a good thing. |
| 13:21.34 | helena | babilen: I haven't mixed anything |
| 13:21.37 | babilen | helena: Ah, in that case I am not surprised. Sorry for the interruption :) |
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| 13:21.42 | helena | I know what distro I use |
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| 13:21.53 | helena | I use wheezy |
| 13:22.03 | helena | I use the wheezy repos, etc |
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| 13:22.19 | ChrisH | I have wheezy/sid, too and apt.sources point to wheezy only |
| 13:22.25 | themill | sure |
| 13:22.27 | helena | I'm using Debian 6.something |
| 13:22.27 | helena | not Debian 6.0 |
| 13:22.30 | helena | So where is Debian 7? |
| 13:22.39 | helena | Why are people jumping to 8 and skipping 7? |
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| 13:22.44 | themill | helena: wheezy will be 7 when it is released |
| 13:22.50 | helena | okay |
| 13:22.58 | helena | I get it now. |
| 13:23.03 | helena | That's all I wanted to know. lol |
| 13:23.13 | babilen | And jessie will be 8, but Jessie doesn't even exist yet. |
| 13:23.24 | Sevet | and then the new testing'll be jessie, but jessie doesn't exist yet - just the name announced |
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| 13:24.04 | jelly | helena: it's 6.0.something! |
| 13:24.09 | jeredepp | what's the namingconvention for debian systems? i can't make out a rule, like in meteorology |
| 13:24.11 | helena | oh |
| 13:24.18 | helena | JELLY! :3 |
| 13:24.21 | helena | meowwwwww |
| 13:24.27 | jelly | hides |
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| 13:24.52 | wolf29 | names are all from Toy Story movie. |
| 13:24.53 | Sevet | jeredepp: toy story characters, but in no particular order |
| 13:25.02 | babilen | jeredepp: You can choose your own. You don't have to stick to any naming scheme if you use Debian (or what are you referring to?) |
| 13:25.18 | jeredepp | babilen: no i just meant lenny,squeeze etc |
| 13:25.30 | wolf29 | Numbering scheme is something else again... |
| 13:25.46 | jeredepp | Debian Woody would be mostly used for porn infrastructure then |
| 13:26.03 | babilen | Ah, Debian releases. As already mentioned they are based on Toy Story characters. I am, in particular, waiting for the "Debian Troll" release that *has* to happen eventually. |
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| 13:26.27 | wolf29 | jeredepp: Have you seen "Toy Story?" very g-rated. |
| 13:26.32 | jeredepp | oh just whet code.google.com/debian/troll/x86 ;) |
| 13:26.37 | jeredepp | *wget |
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| 13:26.45 | babilen | recommends to discuss this further in #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:27.12 | jeredepp | yep i'm gonne STFU |
| 13:27.22 | jeredepp | need to work anyways |
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| 13:27.33 | gnarface | so anyway |
| 13:27.48 | wolf29 | I have an ontopic question. Would adding ldap to my lan help ssh resolve the internal non-dns names? |
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| 13:28.29 | wolf29 | All I have are Debian squeeze and testing and a coulpe Ubuntu, which we won't talk about. |
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| 13:29.00 | wolf29 | s/coulpe/couple/ |
| 13:29.01 | themill | ldap? unlikely. avahi? perhaps. |
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| 13:29.13 | gnarface | you could do that with ldap |
| 13:29.27 | joltcan | Or add DNS update bindings to the DHCP server? |
| 13:29.31 | gnarface | dunno why you'd want to when you could just have a complete dns setup with so much less trouble |
| 13:29.50 | gnarface | no if you edit your /etc/nsswitch.conf you can make it look up hosts in ldap |
| 13:30.13 | gnarface | you gotta be running the right client daemons on every system and you gotta have the right crap in your slapd |
| 13:30.25 | gnarface | add avahi and its just liek a fuckin mac laptop |
| 13:30.37 | themill | yeah, you *can* do it with ldap, but it's not a simple way of doing it |
| 13:30.46 | gnarface | yea... can't imagine why you'd want to do it that way |
| 13:31.10 | gnarface | contriving the premise that you can't use dns for some reason, maybe |
| 13:31.13 | wolf29 | I can get rid of the lag by adding the line 'UseDNS no' to /etc/ssh/sshd_config or by adding a mapping in the slow-poke machine's /etc/hosts but it is not scalable, if I get beyond a couplle of dozen machines added a month. |
| 13:31.22 | themill | if you had a few hundred machines at home you could use ldap... |
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| 13:31.58 | gnarface | wolf29: what's wrong with DNS again? |
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| 13:32.22 | wolf29 | my firewall (cannot access to configure) does not allow a lan host to go out to the internet to access another lhost on the same lan, so dns has been difficult. |
| 13:33.09 | gnarface | so why can't you access the firewall to configure it? |
| 13:33.34 | wolf29 | belongs to a vendor company |
| 13:33.49 | wolf29 | cannot fire the vendor co. |
| 13:34.00 | gnarface | and they're what... useless? |
| 13:34.03 | gnarface | put in a request |
| 13:34.11 | gnarface | should be a free change |
| 13:34.22 | gnarface | unless its free hosting or something... |
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| 13:34.34 | wolf29 | gnarface: yes. |
| 13:34.46 | wolf29 | useless, not free at all |
| 13:34.48 | ChrisH | wolf29: I still do not understand why adding DNS should point to something external. It can be setup for an internal domain. |
| 13:35.18 | wolf29 | however I would rather my monitoring traffic stay in the private lan, so that was not my complaint. |
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| 13:35.38 | gnarface | hmm |
| 13:35.48 | gnarface | suspects user error in the DNS setup |
| 13:36.00 | wolf29 | ChrisH: you have hit upon my yawning pit of ignorance. |
| 13:36.01 | babilen | wolf29: Why don't you run a DNS server yourself? |
| 13:36.26 | wolf29 | caching server? |
| 13:36.46 | gnarface | it can do both |
| 13:36.56 | babilen | It should do both |
| 13:36.57 | gnarface | it can be a caching server and it can host real or bogus domains for you |
| 13:36.59 | wolf29 | suspects user error in the dns set-up as well |
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| 13:37.53 | ChrisH | wolf29: I assume you are using DHCP. Have the clients point DNS to your own server and that forwards external stuff to your ISP/Provider/Hoster/... DHCP will assign static IPs |
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| 13:38.28 | wolf29 | ChrisH: nope - using static addresses. All servers, and no user-desktops at all |
| 13:39.38 | wolf29 | suspects he will have to loop back through the exciting manuals and documentation again. :-( |
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| 13:40.09 | gnarface | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/355 |
| 13:40.12 | gnarface | wolf29: try this? |
| 13:41.04 | gnarface | wolf29: its a bit old but it shouldn't have changed much |
| 13:41.04 | wolf29 | gnarface: thanks - I will go try it. |
| 13:41.46 | wolf29 | sometimes these things "take" on the 2nd or 3rd run-through. |
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| 13:42.41 | gnarface | bind can be confusing to set up if you've never done it before; repeated experimentation is often necessary to complete the process |
| 13:42.49 | gnarface | good documentation always helps of course |
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| 13:43.18 | helena | NEVER USE BIND! |
| 13:43.43 | helena | It is the most vulnerable DNS server ever. |
| 13:43.58 | gnarface | its production quality software |
| 13:44.00 | Diopter | helena: ... what? Based on what? :P |
| 13:44.06 | helena | ... |
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| 13:44.22 | helena | Listen you can either listen. |
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| 13:44.28 | helena | or you can choose not to |
| 13:44.36 | Diopter | helena: If you're suggesting that it has a lot of CVEs against it, I submit that's because it's vitally important software that gets a lot of eyes on it, and a lot of security work. |
| 13:44.37 | helena | but I'm just warning you "DO NOT USE BIND". |
| 13:44.54 | Diopter | helena: And I'm thoroughly ignoring your ranting since you don't seem interested in supporting your claims. |
| 13:45.00 | Diopter | "Listen to me!" is not a compelling argument. |
| 13:45.09 | helena | Diopter: Then that's your choice. |
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| 13:45.24 | helena | I'm just trying to protect you guys. |
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| 13:45.54 | Diopter | helena: Then enlighten us as to why bind is terribly insecure. Based on what evidence? |
| 13:46.07 | jeredepp | helena: ^ |
| 13:46.18 | themill | given that you have the same opinion about apache, I don't know that you're going to be convincing... |
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| 13:46.33 | jeredepp | ... |
| 13:46.35 | helena | I can get someone in who can explain. |
| 13:46.40 | helena | but he's sleeping atm |
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| 13:46.46 | helena | so later I can get the guy in? |
| 13:47.02 | Diopter | themill: For reals? lol |
| 13:47.04 | Diopter | Fun fun |
| 13:47.07 | helena | He works in security. |
| 13:47.10 | gnarface | is it djb? |
| 13:47.15 | Diopter | helena: -shrug- Ok. Lots of people work in security. |
| 13:47.19 | helena | Yes |
| 13:47.39 | Diopter | D.J. Bernstein is your guy? That's super exciting. |
| 13:47.59 | helena | Listen guys... |
| 13:48.05 | helena | I don't want an argument. |
| 13:48.10 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 13:48.14 | helena | I'm about to leave actually if it carries on |
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| 13:49.56 | tgs3 | how to find which file differ between A/ and B/ tree (with all level of subdirs). like diff -r but print ONLY file names? |
| 13:50.31 | jessy | i made a .deb package which is automatically isntalling my application, myapp is reading settings from home/user/.config/myCompany/mySettings.conf file, is there a way creating that file while installing package ? (I'm new on this packaging thing probably i miss something) |
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| 13:50.49 | ChrisH | tgs3: define differ on more detail. |
| 13:50.59 | themill | jessy: packaging doesn't touch things in people's home directories ever |
| 13:51.17 | tgs3 | ChrisH: file content is different |
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| 13:51.42 | ac_slater | Hey guys, I usually do some form of `find ... | xargs wc -l` to look at some line count metrics.... but the other day, my boss ran a tool (not sure if it was in coreutils) but it returned a very verbose output of code metrics, ie - percentage of different types, etc. |
| 13:51.45 | ac_slater | any idea on the tool? |
| 13:51.53 | themill | sloccount |
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| 13:52.43 | ac_slater | themill, you're the man, thanks! |
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| 13:54.03 | helena | Why is kermit the frog in here?! O_O |
| 13:54.07 | ChrisH | tgs3: A starting point might be: find . -type f | xargs cksum | sort > FILE; run that for both A/ and B/ into different files and diff them. |
| 13:54.28 | babilen | ac_slater: ... and in other news: "find ... | xargs ..." can (and should) be easily replaced by "find ... -exec ... -- See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind/#Actions_in_bulk:_xargs.2C_-print0_and_-exec_.2B- |
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| 13:58.26 | ac_slater | babilen, ooooh thanks. I rarely keep up with this sort of news, though I should for obvious reasons. |
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| 14:01.18 | krneki | is in new grub supported boot from raid 5? or i have to do raid 1 for boot partition?= |
| 14:01.49 | gnarface | would so not use raid on a boot partition |
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| 14:03.07 | ChrisH | babilen: find .. -print0 -exec does work well with GNU find. I am working on Linux and UNIX and tend to use portable syntax.... and I do hate the -exec syntax |
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| 14:04.28 | thnee_ | any tips on how I can list all files recursively, that has extended attributes? (like what getfattr shows) ls and fins does not seem to support exattrs.. |
| 14:04.40 | jessy | themill: so is there a way getting current user who is installing that package ? |
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| 14:05.28 | jessy | or nvm, i'll check this file if it's exist or not :/ |
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| 14:07.05 | karelbarel | hello all, could somebody help please? I'm on debian testing and yesterday i've upgraded to mysql-server-5.5:i386 5.5.24+dfsg-6 but since the time i can't run import using symfony / donctrine 2 data fixtures which reads sql file containing multiple queries. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 14:07.09 | ChrisH | thnee: Is there a command able to detect ACLs? I allways avoid them, so I dunno. |
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| 14:08.10 | thnee | ChrisH: it's not for ACLs, why do you avoid them? |
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| 14:09.15 | freddiiii | I have a small home server. But upon unattended-upgrades I want mail to send out with results. My ISP blocks port 25. What is the most minimal way to get mail to send out. I have Gmail. |
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| 14:09.18 | thnee | ChrisH: getfattr shows all extended attributes on the file.. it's just that I need something like find, to look recursively on many files |
| 14:10.07 | thnee | pesky osx adds a lot of unwanted exattrs with ':' in then, which pesky windows pukes on |
| 14:10.57 | ChrisH | thnee: like find . -type f | xargs getfattr ... yes I know there is a way using -exec, but I dislike the syntax |
| 14:11.12 | babilen | hehe :) |
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| 14:11.47 | thnee | freddiiii: find an external smtp that listens do a nother port (TLS might work), or set up a proxy (proxying over DNS goes through most network filters) |
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| 14:12.57 | freddiiii | thnee anyway I can setup my system as how you setup a mail client in a desktop environment? |
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| 14:13.35 | thnee | freddiiii: if their blocking 25 they probably allow 25 to their own smtp, so the can monitor outgoing emails. they do this because they dont want unwanted emails. you probably have a personal/private connection which is prohibited from sending automated emails |
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| 14:14.01 | freddiiii | Yeah. |
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| 14:14.14 | thnee | freddiiii: i dont understand your question |
| 14:14.15 | freddiiii | I was wondering if I can connect postfix to Gmail so Gmail can act as my gateway to send emails to myself. |
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| 14:14.31 | thnee | not sure if gmail has an open smtp |
| 14:14.44 | freddiiii | In simple line: I want unattended-upgrades to be able to send emails to my @gmail.com from my home server (port 25 blocked). |
| 14:14.46 | babilen | freddiiii: You can probably configure your local MTA as smarthost so that it uses whatever mail server your ISP allows you to connect. |
| 14:14.50 | thnee | but thats completely unrelated to the fact that your ISP blocks outgoing emails |
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| 14:14.52 | freddiiii | I can enter credentials, so closed SMTP. |
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| 14:15.41 | krneki | is there posiblle to boot from raid5? or you have to do raid1 boot partition |
| 14:15.51 | thnee | ChrisH: well sure, and then i can pipe it through grep and so on, but thats probably gonna be pretty slow on tens of thousands of files, no? |
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| 14:18.17 | ChrisH | thnee: I is no performance hit :) Maybe you can add some -name regexp to decrease the amount of files to be tested. depending on getfattr you can force xargs to send more arguments to getfattr. |
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| 14:19.35 | themill | (make sure you're going to use «… -print0 | xargs -0 …» if you're going to use that construct |
| 14:19.54 | freddiiii | If port 25 is blocked this means I can not send out mail right? |
| 14:19.58 | thnee | oh right that quirk |
| 14:19.59 | freddiiii | I do not want to receive any mail, just send out mail. |
| 14:20.04 | ptrkmj | my system has had a kernel failure (oops). i was prompted to send a log somewhere but soon after the notification the system freezed and i had to reset. it happened when restarting iceweasel. i'm using 3.2.0 kernel from backports and iceweasel is from bpos too. where i can find the log now and what to do with it? |
| 14:20.24 | thnee | freddiiii: like i said, they probably only allow it to their own smtp. I can only specualate what your unnamed ISP does.... |
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| 14:22.09 | thnee | freddiiii: If your ISP provides an SMTP to you, they should clearly say so in their documentation. Mine does atleast, otherwise I'm sure they have som callcenter that can answer these questions for you. |
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| 14:23.04 | joltcan | freddiiii: they most likely have a SMTP server for you, and you could configure your MTA to use that one as a smarthost |
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| 14:23.28 | boudiccas | ,v gtkrsync |
| 14:23.30 | judd | Package: gtkrsync on i386 -- sid: 1.0.4; squeeze: 1.0.4 |
| 14:23.33 | freddiiii | Yeah I think they do. |
| 14:23.35 | freddiiii | joltcan: http://klantenservice.telenet.be/content/overzicht-algemene-instellingen |
| 14:23.37 | freddiiii | In Dutch though. |
| 14:23.51 | freddiiii | So I need to setup a smarthost and configure one of those SMTP? |
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| 14:24.15 | thnee | freddiiii: it clearly says smtp.telenet.be, what's the issue here? |
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| 14:25.36 | babilen | freddiiii: I mentioned a bit earlier that you can configure your local mta (whatever you use) to act as a smarthost and use your ISP's mail server to sent mail. Wouldn't that work? |
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| 14:26.13 | joltcan | freddiiii: Yeah, do a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and select mail sent by smarthost; no local mail or whatever fits your setup |
| 14:26.14 | babilen | freddiiii: If you use exim4 you can just run "dpkg --reconfigure exim4-config" and configure it. |
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| 14:41.40 | foetus | a question - currently i'm building the 3.2.21 kernel (success) and the r8169 NIC is asking for an firmware patch. Network is fully functional, so is this firmware basically needed ? |
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| 14:41.54 | ceil_ | sshhh! |
| 14:41.57 | ceil_ | we're meditating :3 |
| 14:42.04 | freddiiii | ! |
| 14:42.12 | freddiiii | There goes my inner silence. |
| 14:42.13 | freddiiii | >:C |
| 14:42.18 | ceil_ | :p |
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| 14:42.41 | ceil_ | foetus: network's working? nic seems to be doing what it needs to do :p |
| 14:43.02 | ceil_ | 'less you wanna try a speedtest to make sure it's not capped or something without a special lil bit o' software |
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| 14:43.11 | fellipe | hi, how can I make my NIC work in trunk mode, tagging packets with some vlan ID? |
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| 14:43.21 | fellipe | is it necessary to recompile the kernel? |
| 14:43.47 | freddiiii | thnee, babilen, joltcan, thank you! I did a smarthost configuration and simply put in the smtp address of my ISP. |
| 14:43.51 | freddiiii | It works! I did not know it was this simple. |
| 14:43.55 | queso | Is testing "stable" enough for regular use as a developer workstation? |
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| 14:44.27 | freddiiii | queso I think so, you will working on the same system most people use, so if it works for you, it works for them. |
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| 14:44.40 | freddiiii | With testing or unstable, if it works for you, does not mean it will work for stable. |
| 14:44.46 | foetus | everything is working fine, but the firmware request is a bit nervous to me.. |
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| 14:45.56 | ceil_ | install the firmware if it'll ease your concerns |
| 14:46.01 | foetus | is sitting on a E350M1 |
| 14:46.06 | ceil_ | personally tho, i hold to "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" :p |
| 14:46.15 | queso | freddiiii: Okay. It being less-than-stable is fine as long as it keeps booting. If I keep upgrading, eventually it will result as a near-fresh wheezy install, once wheezy is released? |
| 14:46.57 | foetus | will see what happens.. |
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| 14:48.10 | foetus | kernel is ready...must reboot |
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| 14:48.50 | freddiiii | queso, at one point testing will be frozen and tested significantly, to be the next Debian release (/stable release). |
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| 14:49.10 | otkrick | Hello, world !!! |
| 14:49.16 | freddiiii | unstable receives right away, testing is two week delay, stable is a frozen testing at one point that is heavily tested. |
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| 14:49.48 | ceil_ | ohwait |
| 14:49.55 | ceil_ | lol didn't know he hadn't rebooted |
| 14:49.56 | queso | freddiiii: okay, thank you. |
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| 14:50.04 | ceil_ | he's gon' have some network issues :3 |
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| 14:50.12 | fellipe | hi, how can I make my NIC work in trunk mode, tagging packets with some vlan ID? |
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| 14:54.08 | foetus | back again - NIC is working, basically no need for this patch.. |
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| 14:54.28 | otkrick | guys, I have five remote directories which were mounted with fuse in /mnt/dir1, /mnt/dir2 (diff remote hosts)... How can I create "raid" with them? I'm interested in issues that may allow me loose 1-2 remote hosts.. thank you for your help |
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| 14:56.11 | foetus | \q |
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| 15:00.09 | ptrkmj | is anyone able to help me out with this kernel panic? should i post my issue to debian-users@lists.debian.org or some other place? here's a syslog extract btw: http://paste.debian.net/183528/ |
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| 15:05.26 | tlacuache | can someone give me an explanation of the letters in curly braces shown after the package names in apt's output? for example, "the following packages will be installed/removed" with package names followed with {b}, {u}, {pu}, {a}, etc. my google-fu is weak today |
| 15:06.05 | boudiccas | how can i find out if a process - tiger - is running as root please? i cant see it in top but some of the things there make me think that it is running |
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| 15:08.32 | ChrisH | boudiccas: ps -efl | grep tiger and check the 3rd column for the uid |
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| 15:09.34 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 15:11.51 | ghanchu | i run debian wheezey amd 64 and i would like to know how can i get desktop effects(cube rotation, etc.) in gnome which are similar to KDE desktop effects. |
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| 15:12.08 | themill | tlacuache: broken, purge, uninstall, automatically installed |
| 15:13.02 | dkr | !tell ghanchu about compiz |
| 15:13.46 | babilen | wonders how well compiz works with Gnome3 |
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| 15:14.40 | tlacuache | themill, thanks... so, when i do "aptitude -f install" it tells me about a bunch of packages it wants to remove. some of them I don't want it to remove (it's got {u} next to rdesktop, gnome-screenshot, p7zip, etc.). why would it think it needs to remove these packages? |
| 15:14.55 | Sevet | ghanchu: although if you have an ati card then the drivers aren't working with the xorg version in wheezy yet (at least not afaik) |
| 15:15.16 | Sevet | (someone correct me if that's been fixed now) |
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| 15:17.13 | babilen | Sevet: radeon works fine AFAIK |
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| 15:17.19 | ghanchu | when i type compiz in the repository, it does not come up. |
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| 15:17.43 | themill | tlacuache: speculating on that would be a lot easier if we could see the entire output at paste.debian.net and if you told us how you ended up in this situation. |
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| 15:18.28 | boudiccas | weird, a script run from the commndline invokes a gui, but run from the cron job it invokes a log file! i dont understand it |
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| 15:20.13 | Sevet | babilen: i don't see any fglrx-driver in wheezy though? |
| 15:20.58 | Sevet | (also looks like compiz isn't in wheezy) |
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| 15:21.28 | boudiccas | ,v compiz |
| 15:21.29 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 15:22.40 | tlacuache | themill: http://pastebin.com/YuPZk5Hc as for how I got here, i don't know, i've been running testing for a while, occasionally i'll just check "-f install" to see what it thinks it needs to fix. |
| 15:22.49 | babilen | Sevet: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675940 and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=675940 -- It was uploaded after wheezy was frozen. No idea what their plan is. |
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| 15:23.17 | tlacuache | maybe it thinks those packages are ones that are dependencies that are no longer required? can i just mark them as manually installed rather than automatically installed or something? |
| 15:23.35 | Sevet | seems a big omission - maybe that'll get an exception made |
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| 15:25.00 | themill | tlacuache: if you had previously scheduled actions and then cancelled carrying out the action then you would get this effect. |
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| 15:26.05 | tlacuache | hm ok... is there a way to clear the previously scheduled actoin? |
| 15:26.11 | tlacuache | s/actoin/action/ |
| 15:26.42 | themill | "aptitude keep packagename" will unschedule a removal |
| 15:26.50 | tlacuache | cool |
| 15:26.52 | tlacuache | thanks |
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| 15:31.38 | gnarface | http://wiki.ioquake3.org/Stereo_Rendering |
| 15:31.57 | gnarface | so sick |
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| 15:46.40 | fwisses | HNNNG. Can't get Debian to start awesome upon startx command |
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| 15:47.20 | fwisses | I tried update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 15:47.41 | fwisses | But it started up LXDE anyhoo |
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| 15:49.38 | fwisses | I guess what I'm asking is: What is Debian's X startup script |
| 15:49.55 | fwisses | It's not .xinitrc; not in my home directory anyway. |
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| 15:50.17 | nkuttler | fwisses: .xsession ? |
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| 15:50.31 | sney | fwisses: you may be looking for update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 15:50.32 | nkuttler | fwisses: anyway, if you startx debian doesn't automatically create one for you |
| 15:50.34 | fwisses | .xsession would probably be it. |
| 15:50.50 | fwisses | sney: I |
| 15:50.55 | fwisses | will try that first |
| 15:52.13 | aguitel | how upgrade kde to 4.9 ? |
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| 15:52.35 | geggam | wishes for a feature where taser prongs are raised from stupid co workers chairs and 100,000 volts are then applied when statements or my desire warrants |
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| 15:53.00 | geggam | implements |
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| 15:54.13 | nkuttler | aguitel: which release are you running? |
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| 15:54.56 | fwisses | hmm |
| 15:55.16 | fwisses | I have an Xsession in my /etc/X11/ |
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| 15:55.21 | fwisses | but no .xsession in my ~ directory |
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| 15:55.30 | aguitel | nkuttler, wheezy |
| 15:55.32 | fwisses | I have .xsession-errors |
| 15:55.34 | nkuttler | fwisses: try man startx |
| 15:56.17 | nkuttler | aguitel: you get whichever kde was packaged for wheezy then. i don't think you can upgrade |
| 15:56.17 | themill | aguitel: didn't we establish a few days ago that kde 4.9 wasn't every going to be in wheezy and probably not ever in debian at all? |
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| 15:57.54 | aguitel | themill, nkuttler ok |
| 15:59.06 | SkAzZ | Hello, can anyone tell me how to get the Debian installer to setup its grub menu item on a existing USB device? |
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| 15:59.41 | SkAzZ | The USB stick has Grub2 installed already with the Debian Installer for remote recovery |
| 16:00.19 | sney | SkAzZ: sorry, what are you trying to do exactly |
| 16:00.45 | SkAzZ | I am trying to setup a DRBD fileserver that has 4x2TB disks in Raid-10... I have setup a USB stick that's plugged into the Mobo pernamently that has a recovery installer that has preseed and network-console.. The Raid 10 has LVM with 3 partitions with the System(ext3), Swap and Data(GFS) |
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| 16:01.24 | SkAzZ | I want to be able to boot from the USB stick.. and if it cannot boot the system it will automatically failover to the network installer |
| 16:01.47 | SkAzZ | s/failover/fallback/ |
| 16:02.47 | SkAzZ | sney: ^ |
| 16:02.52 | sney | I know, I'm thinking |
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| 16:03.05 | SkAzZ | Cool, just forgot to do the name: =P |
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| 16:05.05 | sney | well, as far as grub is concerned it doesn't matter where it gets installed, so all you need is to determine how to make grub chainload isolinux, add that to your /etc/grub.d somewhere (there may already be some commented lines explaining how to do this) and then grub-install /dev/sdX |
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| 16:08.19 | SkAzZ | The only thing I have modified so far is the `/boot/grub/grub.cfg` on the USB... I'm not sure where I should mount the `/boot`.. or how to get the installer to add to the USB's grub.cfg ... The drives are Software Raid + LVM so I thourght the boot code should be on a plain partition |
| 16:08.25 | SkAzZ | sney: ^ |
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| 16:09.27 | sney | SkAzZ: if that's a Debian grub.cfg then surely you noticed the DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE in caps up at the top |
| 16:09.45 | SkAzZ | It is not, its a custom USB stick with the Debian installer ISO on it |
| 16:09.51 | Husar | Hi, how to disable fstab notification on startup, if device is not connected? Now, i se press S to skip, or M to manual config. |
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| 16:10.41 | SkAzZ | sney: It has custom menuentry to load the installer (with the default and fallback variables set) |
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| 16:11.32 | white_magic | Hi, can someone tell me if it's possible to extract debian packages built with PowerPC on an x86 system? |
| 16:12.02 | sney | white_magic: you can extract them, sure. ar x foo.deb . but they won't install if they're binary packages |
| 16:12.15 | themill | white_magic: sure, "dpkg -x foo.deb bar" |
| 16:12.22 | Alam_Squeeze | white_magic: ar p foobar.deb data.tar.gz | tar xz |
| 16:12.35 | sney | everyone's got a method |
| 16:12.43 | white_magic | sney: I have been able to extract them using 'ar vx', however, "dpkg -x" or untarring the contents of 'ar vx' fails as well. |
| 16:12.44 | themill | (mine actually works...) |
| 16:13.07 | white_magic | Tar says it can't fine the file after extracting the contents of a debian package using 'ar vx' for example |
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| 16:13.44 | themill | white_magic: can you put the exact commands and their output in a pastebin? |
| 16:13.55 | white_magic | However, this only happens on one particular x86 system. On my virtualized linux OS, I seem to be able to extract using dpkg -x or 'ar vx; tar xvzf... ' just fine |
| 16:14.17 | white_magic | I can't do it at the moment because I don't have access to that x86 server at the moment |
| 16:14.28 | white_magic | but I will in a sec.. |
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| 16:19.00 | SkAzZ | sney: Can I get the USB stick to chainload to the Raid/LVM device so that the system can have its own Grub installation? (hopefully without overwriting hd0 which might be the USB stick) |
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| 16:19.49 | sney | yes, probably. I imagine it's documented somewhere. I would have to look it up to tell you, so... |
| 16:20.03 | SkAzZ | sney: Thats fine, as long as I know what to look for... Cheers |
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| 16:20.11 | sney | if not, there are other bootloaders like extlinux and lilo that might |
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| 16:24.34 | ksk | hey guys. i managed to install debian without shadow-passwords - how to enable it? google is not that helpful |
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| 16:25.31 | ksk | "shadowconfig on" - was not that hard. thx |
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| 16:30.08 | tvmaniac | hi all |
| 16:30.11 | xj54y | How can I send a command to a specific xsession? |
| 16:30.24 | xj54y | like umm, xlock for example to :1 |
| 16:30.28 | tvmaniac | i'm trying to install skype on my squeeze but i can't instal libqt* dependencies |
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| 16:32.10 | sevenfourk | tvmaniac: give us command, which you're invoking, and output, it is that simple. |
| 16:33.22 | queso | I'm using e17 on wheezy. I've added the NetworkManager applet, which appears to work fine. Except that when I try to add a VPN connection, the "Add" button is greyed out. How can I make it so I can add VPN connections? |
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| 16:33.54 | tvmaniac | apt-get install and it says nees qt4 libs |
| 16:34.12 | tvmaniac | then i do apt-get install libqt4-dbus |
| 16:34.18 | tvmaniac | and it says no candidates |
| 16:34.30 | tvmaniac | but it listed here http://pkgs.org/debian-squeeze/debian-main-i386/libqt4-dbus_4.6.3-4+squeeze1_i386.deb.html |
| 16:34.54 | pc_magas | do a sudo apt-get update |
| 16:35.07 | tvmaniac | done 5 times |
| 16:35.14 | tvmaniac | maybe lackign some source in source.list? |
| 16:35.16 | pc_magas | and are you sure that it donwloads through oficial repo? |
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| 16:35.36 | tvmaniac | in sources-list : deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main |
| 16:35.40 | themill | tvmaniac: it would be handy if you could put the output of "apt-cache policy libqt4-dbus; apt-cache policy" in a pastebin |
| 16:35.48 | tvmaniac | and deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-updates main |
| 16:36.01 | themill | dpkg: tell tvmaniac about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 16:36.06 | tvmaniac | just says installed none |
| 16:36.18 | themill | tvmaniac: that looks like you don't have a mirror in your sources.list |
| 16:37.30 | jhutchins_wk | oes linux allow users to set their own timezone? |
| 16:37.42 | jhutchins_wk | Does it? |
| 16:37.54 | pc_magas | I gguess yes |
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| 16:38.19 | themill | jhutchins_wk: TZ variable for a single program or login session; most DEs will allow you to chose what TZ to display stuff in too |
| 16:38.20 | pc_magas | But I do noot know how via command line and I am not in KDE or GNOME |
| 16:38.58 | themill | jhutchins_wk: obviously that won't change the TZ used in timestamps in syslog etc |
| 16:39.25 | jhutchins_wk | I think we're getting rogue timestamps on some transferred files. |
| 16:39.34 | jhutchins_wk | Possibly associated with samba. |
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| 16:42.12 | abrotman | rogue timestamps .. heh |
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| 16:44.01 | mafiaboy | hi |
| 16:44.17 | mafiaboy | debian 6 will be supported till? |
| 16:45.24 | sney | until 1 year after 7 is released, iirc |
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| 16:46.03 | mafiaboy | 7 is expected to release next year ....i think |
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| 16:46.25 | sney | yeah, there's no set release date, just when it's ready |
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| 16:50.52 | Pinchiukas | The default config for pastebinit doesn't work anymore? |
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| 16:52.11 | themill | dpkg: tell Pinchiukas about pastebinit config |
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| 16:54.04 | Pinchiukas | How about all other pastebins? |
| 16:54.17 | Pinchiukas | The last time I tried to install and use pastebinit several didn't work. |
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| 16:56.16 | leo-unglaub | hey guys, i found a bug in the kernel package. are some people from the debian kernel maintainers here? |
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| 16:56.22 | leo-unglaub | i would like to report them to you |
| 16:57.02 | EdLin | leo-unglaub, I think Debian comes with a program reportbug that'll do it. |
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| 16:57.29 | leo-unglaub | EdLin: the bug appears during the system boot |
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| 16:57.40 | leo-unglaub | before i even can decrypt my discs |
| 16:57.46 | leo-unglaub | so there is no tools available |
| 16:57.59 | EdLin | !reportbug |
| 16:57.59 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 16:58.09 | EdLin | leo-unglaub, report to the web |
| 16:58.20 | leo-unglaub | okay |
| 16:58.31 | leo-unglaub | i thought irc was easier |
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| 16:58.41 | EdLin | leo-unglaub, only if you can find devs in here. ;-) |
| 16:58.56 | leo-unglaub | *g* |
| 16:59.12 | leo-unglaub | witch 1255 people in here i was hoping there where some here |
| 16:59.46 | EdLin | leo-unglaub, most of them are idling, like I will be doing in a second. ;-) |
| 17:00.27 | mjt | bugreporting in debian is done using email only |
| 17:00.45 | mjt | definitely not irc |
| 17:01.15 | leo-unglaub | mjt: i have never done that in debian before. i am more likley generation github :) does it work like a mailinglist? |
| 17:01.19 | leo-unglaub | if yes, thats great |
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| 17:04.09 | xispirito | why selinux default policy on debian blocks pratically everything, X, network-manager and default apps of distribution? |
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| 17:07.48 | bullgard6 | What does »CFE« stand for in "Some variables need to be set in CFE in order for your system to boot automatically."? http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-german/2012/01/msg00010.html |
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| 17:09.24 | tnt | bullgard6: Common Firmware Environment ? |
| 17:09.46 | tnt | http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/Common_Firmware_Environment |
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| 17:16.24 | KsM | Is it possible to have a unicode-supported console? |
| 17:18.03 | jelly-home | xispirito: it's not tuned/fixed at all |
| 17:18.29 | xispirito | jelly-home, and have no plans for it in the near future? |
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| 17:18.42 | bullgard6 | tnt: Thank you very much for your help. |
| 17:18.43 | jelly-home | !siyh |
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| 17:18.43 | dpkg | well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 17:18.54 | alex____ | I have a xfs drive mounted from fstab, the drive mounts well but all files and directory are read as simple files, what am I doing wrong ? |
| 17:18.59 | xispirito | =D |
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| 17:21.34 | alex____ | anyone ? |
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| 17:23.26 | mjt | !anyone |
| 17:23.26 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 17:23.41 | mjt | um. that's.. not right factoid |
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| 17:29.19 | Xtreme | hey guys, why debian is slow at releasign updates? |
| 17:29.41 | Dan39 | Xtreme: are you using stable or testing? |
| 17:29.47 | Xtreme | stable |
| 17:29.48 | Dan39 | stable is slow because it is... stable |
| 17:29.55 | Xtreme | 6 |
| 17:30.02 | Dan39 | move to testing if you want more up to date |
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| 17:30.24 | Dan39 | but then its just like it says... for testing, so might be bugs |
| 17:30.29 | jelly-home | Xtreme: it's not slow, it's too fast! |
| 17:30.39 | EmleyMoor | stable does not in general get updates - its stability as a whole is what matters |
| 17:30.42 | jelly-home | who upgrades their servers every 2 years, srsly |
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| 17:30.47 | Dan39 | tho testing in my experience testing is pretty good :P |
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| 17:31.34 | Xtreme | jelly-home: you call stable fast? i am still using php 5.3 |
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| 17:31.53 | Xtreme | dan39, how to move to testing? |
| 17:31.54 | jelly-home | Xtreme: I'm still using RHEL4. |
| 17:32.07 | jelly-home | and a couple sarge machines. |
| 17:32.09 | Xtreme | well, you are used to outdates stuff then |
| 17:32.27 | themill | dpkg: tell Xtreme about stable |
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| 17:32.47 | themill | Xtreme: the point of stable is that some random php update doesn't break your existing and running perfectly happily php code. |
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| 17:32.55 | jelly-home | Xtreme: oh, and an etch chroot with php4? |
| 17:33.22 | Xtreme | well, can anyone tell me how to shift to testing? |
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| 17:33.57 | jelly-home | ask dpkg about squeeze->wheezy, Xtreme |
| 17:34.06 | jelly-home | If. You. Dare. |
| 17:34.23 | Xtreme | dpkg: sqeezy->wheezy |
| 17:34.24 | dpkg | Xtreme: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:34.26 | Dan39 | Xtreme: its pretty easy |
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| 17:34.34 | Xtreme | dpkg: squeezy->wheezy |
| 17:34.34 | dpkg | no idea, Xtreme |
| 17:34.41 | Xtreme | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:34.42 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 17:34.50 | Dan39 | Xtreme: edit source.list, dist-upgrade, i think thats all you gotta do |
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| 17:35.30 | Xtreme | he lost me.. |
| 17:35.34 | Dan39 | >_< |
| 17:35.38 | Xtreme | Dan39: back to you.. |
| 17:35.41 | Dan39 | google it |
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| 17:36.05 | xispirito | just have caution, if you have /var/ and /tmp separated, mounted with noexec, remount them with exec before dist-upgrade |
| 17:38.06 | xispirito | the debian installer are the same, they don't warn user about noexec bit, but the install fails with noexec in v |
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| 17:38.11 | xispirito | #in /var |
| 17:38.30 | Dan39 | interesting :P |
| 17:38.31 | themill | xispirito: all dpkg operations require exec on /tmp and probably also /var/lib/dpkg |
| 17:38.45 | themill | (not just dist-upgrading) |
| 17:38.55 | Dan39 | o so if your able to install packages already, it should be fine? :P |
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| 17:39.21 | Dan39 | ive never had a problem upgrading, but i usually do it on a fresh install of squeeze |
| 17:39.24 | themill | Dan39: sure, that's a customisation that one can chose to make... and if one makes it, one has to do make it properly |
| 17:39.41 | themill | !tmp noexec |
| 17:39.41 | dpkg | dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
| 17:39.54 | Dan39 | interesting |
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| 17:44.13 | Xtreme | only thing squeeze updates regularly is chrome' |
| 17:44.17 | Xtreme | done know why though |
| 17:44.35 | abrotman | themill: i thought it was $TMPDIR and you could change that ? |
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| 17:45.04 | themill | abrotman: yeah, that should work too |
| 17:45.21 | Xtreme | are all things in testing upto date? |
| 17:45.26 | themill | abrotman: I doubt you can do that within apt's config however. |
| 17:45.26 | Xtreme | i can install gnome3 too? |
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| 17:46.52 | abrotman | in wheezy? yes |
| 17:46.54 | themill | Xtreme: depends on what you mean by "up to date". No distribution will ever have the latest crap that every developer has released for all 30,000 packages |
| 17:47.33 | Xtreme | themill, well in my field, i need only php/apache/mysql up to date.. fuck the rest ;) |
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| 17:47.59 | themill | if you're chasing php versions then you've got other problems. And apache and mysql versions are irrelevant. |
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| 17:53.22 | jelly-home | well mysql has its own set of SNS introduced incompatibilities |
| 17:53.43 | jelly-home | looks at the latest security update changelog |
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| 18:04.46 | FrederikVds | Hi, I'm mostly a Ubuntu user, so I'm a little confused with how to set up unattended-upgrades on Debian. I'm using 6.0.5. This is my apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades file: http://pastebin.com/6eLQ94PM . It seems to me like that will not work on Debian, as there is no squeeze-security archive. Is that correct? If so, what would be a correct configuration? |
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| 18:08.33 | ompaul | FrederikVds: paste your sources.list and / or sources.list.d/* |
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| 18:09.26 | ompaul | FrederikVds: you could do worse than paste.debian.net no adverts |
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| 18:11.59 | FrederikVds | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/183555/ , sources.list.d is empty |
| 18:12.36 | ompaul | FrederikVds: I don't know belnet but it looks sound to me |
| 18:12.44 | heoa | http://pastie.org/4475140 <--- trying to set up deployment environment so that all PHP -files will get a write access where the group gets the W -access, is this the right way of doing it? Generic instructions here: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FileSystemPermissions |
| 18:13.21 | heoa | (I am using Debian but I think this is quite generic deployment q) |
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| 18:17.21 | FrederikVds | ompaul: So if I understand correctly, squeeze-security is ignored, but the first entry, stable, includes the security.debian.org squeeze/updates line? |
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| 18:18.51 | ompaul | FrederikVds: never used unattended in my life, I have scripts that do apt-get updates&& apt-get -d upgrade and then attack the issue when on site |
| 18:20.49 | ompaul | FrederikVds: just looked at some docs |
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| 18:23.06 | xispirito | on the next release, gnome3 come as default desktop env? |
| 18:23.17 | ompaul | it looks to me that you should change change distro id code name squeeze-updates squeeze-backports squeeze/updates hmm the last one is security |
| 18:23.17 | FrederikVds | ompaul: OK. Thanks. |
| 18:23.56 | ompaul | FrederikVds: there is no suggestion there - I am just pointing out what is actually in existence on a squeeze box I have |
| 18:24.18 | ghanchu | i run debian wheezy amd64 and i have an intel vga card.the compiz full package is not in synaptic packager. |
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| 18:25.42 | FrederikVds | ompaul: I thought something like that, but I'm not sure. Do you happen to know why squeeze-updates is normal updates while squeeze/updates is security updates. It confuses me a bit. |
| 18:27.13 | ghanchu | Is compiz working and available in wheezy ? |
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| 18:30.56 | ompaul | FrederikVds: regardless of naming conventions, security should be obvious to you, as to what it is, squeeze-updates is explained here http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 |
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| 18:34.49 | Linox32 | got a problem when I start to start apache in virtualmin someone can help me the error are on this page http://pastebin.com/gsRtMpS2 |
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| 18:37.04 | FrederikVds | ompaul: Thanks |
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| 18:37.49 | ompaul | FrederikVds: yw |
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| 19:09.06 | armenb_ | does ubuntu/debian have a feature similar to "yum localinstall" on fedora and redhat enterprise linux? |
| 19:09.19 | armenb_ | I want to install a local deb file, but I want it to automatically fetch dependencies too. |
| 19:09.29 | armenb_ | "dpkg -i" lets me install local packages, but no dependencies; "apt-get install" takes care of dependencies but doesn't seem to have a local package option. am i just screwed and have to do this manually? |
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| 19:09.56 | asdefjak | heoa: addgroup Hello |
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| 19:10.52 | sney | armenb_: dpkg -i foo.deb;aptitude -f install |
| 19:11.05 | asdefjak | armenb_: yes, gdebi |
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| 19:14.49 | jez9999 | Hi. Does anyone know whether it's possible to run the bleeding-edge Mono 2.11.3 on debian? |
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| 19:16.12 | heoa | asdefjak: groupadd web-content |
| 19:16.12 | heoa | # addgroup web-content # Which one? |
| 19:16.24 | heoa | asdefjak: which one is correct? |
| 19:17.31 | asdefjak | heoa: both work |
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| 19:18.33 | jhutchins_wk | jez9999: It's linux - of course it's possible. The question is how much of the sytem would have to be customized or upgraded to support it. |
| 19:18.52 | jez9999 | yeah. there's a million Mono packages |
| 19:18.58 | jez9999 | all synchronized on version |
| 19:19.15 | jez9999 | trouble is, they only just introduced entity framework support in 2.11.3 |
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| 19:20.52 | asdefjak | heoa: addgroup is some sort of front-end around groupadd that follows debian policy better. |
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| 19:22.03 | Linox32 | allo |
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| 19:22.32 | Linox32 | someone can look my website http://gestionpublicitaire.com and why my french accent are not there ? |
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| 19:23.37 | jelly-home | !ops Linox32 spam |
| 19:23.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: Linox32 spam |
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| 19:23.54 | jelly-home | on the other hand, it might not be spam |
| 19:24.07 | TheSarge | Has anyone here used unetbootin to do a frugal install with an ISO before? |
| 19:24.08 | jelly-home | Linox32: do you mean the accented characters? |
| 19:24.14 | Linox32 | yes |
| 19:24.28 | Linox32 | in apache I put default charset iso-8859-1 |
| 19:24.35 | Linox32 | not working |
| 19:24.44 | jelly-home | Linox32: don't do that. Your site seems to be written in UTF-8. |
| 19:24.45 | peterS | the front page appears to be utf-8, not iso-8859-1 |
| 19:25.08 | Linox32 | <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" /> |
| 19:25.17 | Linox32 | I write iso-8859-1 |
| 19:25.20 | peterS | no you don't |
| 19:25.25 | jelly-home | Linox32: get rid of that as well, or set it to utf-8 |
| 19:25.28 | peterS | at least, from here it looks like you write utf-8 |
| 19:25.33 | TheSarge | I am trying to install another Distro using unetbootin to do a frugal install since i have no CDRs or thumbdrives |
| 19:25.41 | TheSarge | But having issues |
| 19:26.04 | Linox32 | peter you sure |
| 19:26.12 | Linox32 | in source you see utf-8 |
| 19:26.25 | yano | that's only for the css files |
| 19:27.20 | simonlnu | why you're doing iso-*blah i have no idea. utf-8 was like last century even, so catch up ;P |
| 19:27.26 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 19:27.40 | simonlnu | kwai |
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| 19:28.29 | Azrael_- | what is the best way to block an ip for sshd permanently? they test one user/pass per hour so fail2ban doesn't catch them and i don't want to make it that sensitive to not block me myself just in case i make a mistake |
| 19:28.33 | simonlnu | !ask |
| 19:28.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:29.13 | simonlnu | Azrael_-: sshd has access control options. you could also use iptables |
| 19:29.25 | gasull | Hi. I'm trying to get VPN working in my Debian testing Xfce environment. When I click on Network Manager and the VPN tab, the Add button is greyed out. How can I fix this? |
| 19:29.29 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: You can block it in the sshd_config file - see man sshd_config, but it's better if you can block it at an upstream firewall. |
| 19:29.51 | simonlnu | indeed |
| 19:29.53 | jhutchins_wk | Azrael_-: shorewall is really overkill for just that, but I've used it that way. |
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| 19:30.58 | jhutchins_wk | gasull: Which release are you on? |
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| 19:31.16 | simonlnu | TheSarge: be more verbose please. asking "anyone use?" sounds like you're asking for drugs (being facetious here). so, tell us what you're doing and what you've done so far. |
| 19:31.32 | gasull | jhutchins_wk: Debian testing, always updated. |
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| 19:32.41 | gasull | jhutchins_wk: uname --all: Linux sevilla 3.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Jun 28 09:07:26 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:32.48 | heoa | 4 drwxr-x--- 5 www-data web-content 4096 Aug 14 21:57 DropZone <--- how can I access that directory with user XYZ? |
| 19:33.09 | jhutchins_wk | gasull: In the stable releases the user needs to be in a networking group to make changes. It was "netdev" in Lenny. |
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| 19:34.03 | TheSarge | simonlnu: I have gotten unetbootin to boot the live cd iso but I have trouble when installing becuase it wants to edit the partition table of the disk it is booting from, but it shouldnt since i have the partition setup already the / and swap |
| 19:34.22 | TheSarge | is there another way to install an OS from the ISO besides unetbootin? |
| 19:34.33 | jhutchins_wk | gasull: The main user should be added automatically, but that's the kind of thing you give up when you run testing. |
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| 19:34.56 | themill | TheSarge: I thought we covered getting grub to boot the ISO directly hours ago |
| 19:35.11 | gasull | jhutchins_wk: thank you. How do I check if the group netdev exists? |
| 19:35.17 | asdefjak | TheSarge: you can just dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdfoo |
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| 19:35.47 | TheSarge | themill: When? |
| 19:36.05 | TheSarge | asdefjak: And what does that do exactly? |
| 19:36.40 | TheSarge | If grub boots it does it mount the original partition or what? |
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| 19:38.26 | gasull | jhutchins_wk: actually my user is in netdev |
| 19:38.29 | TheSarge | asdefjak: ? |
| 19:38.45 | asdefjak | TheSarge: That writes the image directly to the usb drive |
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| 19:39.38 | asdefjak | TheSarge: replacing the partitions and file systems on it. |
| 19:40.00 | TheSarge | I have no idea how that would help me.. |
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| 19:40.11 | TheSarge | themill: like this http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/how-to-boot-iso-with-grub2-easy-way.html#comment-141653217? |
| 19:40.40 | gasull | This are the packages I have installed and I still have the Add button greyed out in the VPN tab of Network Manager: http://pastebin.com/dAUkEZ3h |
| 19:40.55 | TheSarge | asdefjak: I have no USB drive that is why im installing this way |
| 19:40.55 | themill | TheSarge: something like that would work yes, but you'd do better reading real documentation rather than badly formatted crap in the comments on a blog |
| 19:41.05 | jhutchins_wk | gasull: Sorry then, I've only done VPN from the console. |
| 19:41.34 | themill | gasull: what sort of vpn are you trying to connect to? |
| 19:41.35 | TheSarge | themill: But how will this be different from the issue I am getting from doing it the unetbootin way? |
| 19:41.52 | asdefjak | TheSarge: sorry, I didn't raead all the conversation. I just assumed you have a problem with unetbooting because it never works for me :) |
| 19:41.57 | themill | TheSarge: I can't tell you anything about unetbootin other than it doesn't work for a lot of people |
| 19:42.18 | TheSarge | It will still be mounted on the same HDD and fail when it tries to rewrite the partition table(even though it doesnt need too) |
| 19:42.31 | themill | if you say so |
| 19:42.34 | TheSarge | ? |
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| 19:42.40 | TheSarge | Why wouldnt it? |
| 19:43.14 | gasull | jhutchins_wk, themill: this did the trick: sudo aptitude install network-manager-pptp-gnome network-manager-vpnc-gnome network-manager-openvpn-gnome |
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| 19:43.46 | themill | gasull: yeah, you need to install a ui frontend as well as the backend (hence asking which type of vpn you wanted to connect to) |
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| 19:44.42 | TheSarge | themill: What about this line: |
| 19:44.45 | TheSarge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:45.08 | TheSarge | I understand the kernel and the userspace and the file |
| 19:45.13 | TheSarge | But what is that? |
| 19:45.23 | themill | something for the ubuntu installer, I assume |
| 19:45.48 | TheSarge | So if i am not trying to install Ubuntu I can ignore that? |
| 19:46.02 | TheSarge | Just put the kernel, userspace, and iso? |
| 19:46.07 | jhutchins_wk | gasull: install what? I thought you were setting up a VPN connection. |
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| 19:46.28 | themill | TheSarge: you'd need to look at the documentation for whatever installer you're using |
| 19:47.51 | themill | TheSarge: btw the grml people are pretty switched on about this sort of stuff and have good documentation for it such as http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/ |
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| 19:48.05 | cesium | Hi, I was wondering which raid mirroring setup is preferable - mdraid + ext4 or btrfs (and if you're actually running one, I'd like you to share your experiences). |
| 19:48.56 | mjt | preferrable for what? |
| 19:49.22 | abrotman | cesium: they're not really teh same |
| 19:49.31 | cesium | well, the main idea of use is for easily recoverable sorta backup (yes, I know raid isn't backup, and I do keep backups) |
| 19:49.39 | gasull | jhutchins_wk: but I needed to install the network-manager-*-gnome packages so I can add the VPN connection to Network Manager |
| 19:49.49 | cesium | I want something that can get up and running quickly in the event of a disk fail... |
| 19:51.27 | jhutchins_wk | gasull: Ah, makes sense. |
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| 19:52.29 | jhutchins_wk | cesium: Are you asking what filesystem to use on mdraid? |
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| 19:52.58 | cesium | well, the question is more whether to use mdraid + ext4 or btrfs's facilities (which don't require mdraid) |
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| 19:56.47 | asgard20032 | If you didn't know, Valve is porting steam and source engine to Linux. Recently, they made a new post on their blog. Left for dead 2 now run faster on Linux than on Windows. - http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/ - |
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| 19:57.43 | jhutchins_wk | cesium: ext4 doesn't require raid either, so I think you probably have some more reading to do. |
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| 19:59.14 | TheSarge | themill: i DO READ, WOULDNT BE HERE IF THIS WAS WELL DOCUMENTED |
| 19:59.29 | TheSarge | oops sorry didnt notice caps was on |
| 20:00.12 | themill | That's fine, I'll not spend more time looking for resources to help you with this then. |
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| 20:01.17 | tekzilla | concerning nano: can i toggle case-sensitivity for searches from within the editor ? i know it can be set in the nanorc |
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| 20:02.33 | cesium | jhutchins_wk: Sigh. I know it doesn't... I want a sorta raid1 setup, and the obviously best solution on ext4fs would be mdraid. btrfs has a facility for doing its own mirroring (not really raid1, albait called the same in the wiki. But I don't need the extra guarantees). |
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| 20:06.47 | abrotman | brfs also does srubbing on its own right ? |
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| 20:14.16 | boudiccas | ,v grsync |
| 20:14.18 | judd | Package: grsync on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.1-3; squeeze: 1.1.1-1; sid: 1.2.0-1; wheezy: 1.2.0-1 |
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| 20:17.08 | Tekk_ | I'm on a machine running debian testing, and when I ssh into a stable server hitting C-s freezes the connection, is that actually somehow intended? |
| 20:17.09 | Guest52698 | :-( |
| 20:17.15 | Tekk_ | it's kind of annoying when I'm trying to use emacs |
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| 20:18.15 | harovali | Tekk_: ctrl s always stops the data flow on the tty |
| 20:18.39 | Tekk_ | ah, any way to disable it? |
| 20:19.14 | harovali | Tekk_: see stty command. |
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| 20:19.50 | Tekk_ | thanks |
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| 20:20.37 | nkuttler | Tekk_: stop specifically |
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| 20:21.23 | jelly-home | Tekk_: Ctrl-Q to continue |
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| 20:21.26 | Tekk_ | yeah, stty-xon |
| 20:21.39 | Tekk_ | jelly-home: yes, I found that after a bit of searching |
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| 20:22.10 | jelly-home | and I see you've already found the relevant stty setting |
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| 20:27.09 | isse | hello |
| 20:27.33 | isse | i have debian64 and windows 7 on the same machine (even macos) |
| 20:27.42 | isse | on windows 7 i set the clock correctly |
| 20:28.01 | isse | but when i run debian, the clock goes ahead 3-4 hours |
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| 20:28.12 | isse | even if the timezone is set correctly |
| 20:28.27 | isse | today i installed ntp |
| 20:28.40 | isse | for now i see it' well set |
| 20:28.47 | dkr | !tell isse about utc |
| 20:29.02 | dkr | make sure windows and debian both know the hwclock is utc |
| 20:29.37 | dkr | with a 3-4 hour difference, seems one thinks it is and the other doesn't |
| 20:30.01 | mjt | iirc windows wont update clock (it also has ntp, built-in client) if RealTimeIsUniversal is set |
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| 20:30.15 | mjt | (just a warning) |
| 20:30.52 | isse | aha, the problem only appeared when debian was running |
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| 20:31.08 | isse | yesterday it even got to the next day |
| 20:31.31 | isse | my /etc/default/hwclock has HWCLOCKACCESS=Yes commented |
| 20:32.02 | isse | should i enable it or assume that ntp will update the clock correctly on boot ? |
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| 20:32.35 | jelly-home | isse: windows expects the hw clock to be set to local timezone |
| 20:32.38 | jelly-home | !UTC |
| 20:32.39 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). Set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs), then run "invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart" to apply. The /etc/default/rcS UTC setting was dropped at sysvinit 2.88dsf-25 (Debian bug #554345). |
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| 20:33.15 | mjt | juniorsa: that's what dkr told dpkg to tell to isse ;) |
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| 20:34.10 | isse | well, there's nothing in rcS related to clock |
| 20:34.37 | juniorsa | Hi, I would like all my visitors to my shoutcast server (which is listening on port 8000) to be redirected to another shoutcast server, is there a simple ssh command to receive all external connections on port 8000 and redirect them to another IP on port 8000? |
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| 20:35.15 | jelly-home | isse: no, but ought to be a LOCAL in /etc/adjtime |
| 20:36.12 | isse | mine has this: 61388.517217 1344955251 0.000000 1344955251 UTC |
| 20:36.24 | jelly-home | isse: good. replace UTC with LOCAL |
| 20:36.55 | isse | done, thank you guys :) |
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| 20:37.22 | jelly-home | I probably ought to fix that factoid... |
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| 20:47.34 | zsh-help-please | Hi. I have just installed zsh via wget but i did this as root. My root shell looks as expected but my regular user shell has just a singe '$' how can i make the regualr user shell look like the root shell? Any help most appreciated |
| 20:47.52 | zsh-help-please | using debian with awesome |
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| 20:48.45 | cortman | why didn't you just install from the repositories zsh-help-please ? |
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| 20:48.58 | zsh-help-please | i dint know i could? |
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| 20:49.17 | nitzs | When I try to remove iceweasel, apt-get tries to install iceape-browser. How can I remove iceweasel without this happening? |
| 20:49.17 | zsh-help-please | that was the instructions from their website |
| 20:49.38 | zsh-help-please | i ran chsh -s /bin/zsh username |
| 20:49.43 | zsh-help-please | didnt make any difference |
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| 20:50.10 | cortman | zsh-help-please, you should create a .zshrc and .envrc |
| 20:50.11 | zsh-help-please | should i remove it and then install through apt-get ? |
| 20:50.30 | zsh-help-please | in the ~ of the user account ? |
| 20:50.31 | cortman | Also if you want it to be your default shell you need to edit /etc/passwd |
| 20:50.38 | cortman | Right |
| 20:51.01 | jelly-home | zsh-help-please: that won't make much of a difference. where exactly did you wget the package from and why did you not use the distro one? |
| 20:51.03 | pmade | cortman: what's wrong with `chsh -s $(which zsh)'? |
| 20:51.37 | cortman | indeed, what, pmade ? |
| 20:51.56 | jelly-home | cortman: try not to suggest suboptimal ways to do things |
| 20:52.25 | cortman | Sure jelly-home - but could you enlighten me what suboptimal way I suggested? |
| 20:52.29 | zsh-help-please | i ran wget --no-check-certificate https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh/raw/master/tools/install.sh -O - | sh |
| 20:52.32 | zsh-help-please | as root |
| 20:52.34 | jelly-home | cortman: <cortman> Also if you want it to be your default shell you need to edit /etc/passwd |
| 20:52.38 | peterrooney | cortman: editing passwd directly |
| 20:53.12 | cortman | OK- 's how I've always done it, but that doesn't mean it's the best. Thanks for the correction. |
| 20:53.17 | jelly-home | cortman: also, .envrc is not required for zsh, not is it a zsh rc file. |
| 20:53.30 | zsh-help-please | i have zsh installed |
| 20:53.33 | jelly-home | .zshenv is, but is not required either |
| 20:53.39 | zsh-help-please | i want to run oh-my-zsh |
| 20:53.41 | cortman | If you want to customize the terminal environment you should have it right jelly-home ? |
| 20:53.47 | jelly-home | cortman: no. |
| 20:54.10 | pmade | zsh-help-please: I recommend you install zsh like this: apt-get install zsh. |
| 20:54.19 | pmade | And don't mess with the root shell, just your personal account. |
| 20:54.30 | pmade | After you have zsh up and running then move on to oh-my-zsh. |
| 20:54.47 | zsh-help-please | i have zsh installed |
| 20:55.27 | nitzs | When I try to remove iceweasel, apt-get tries to install iceape-browser. How can I remove iceweasel without this happening? can anyone help? |
| 20:55.50 | peterrooney | thinks man 5 passwd would be improved by adding a reference to usermod |
| 20:56.19 | zsh-help-please | i just need to get the ohmyzsh part to work with a user |
| 20:56.35 | zsh-help-please | $ aptitude show zsh |
| 20:56.37 | zsh-help-please | Package: zsh |
| 20:56.37 | zsh-help-please | New: yes |
| 20:56.37 | zsh-help-please | State: installed |
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| 20:57.32 | zsh-help-please | didnt know i could paste lines |
| 20:57.38 | zsh-help-please | apologies |
| 20:57.48 | pmade | zsh-help-please: oh-my-zsh has nothing to do with debian, maybe try #zsh |
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| 20:58.11 | zsh-help-please | im running awesome |
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| 20:58.30 | zsh-help-please | window manager |
| 20:59.02 | pmade | Still has nothing to do with debian, or zsh for that matter |
| 20:59.02 | zsh-help-please | i had it working before and love it, desperate to get it runnign again |
| 20:59.31 | zsh-help-please | pmade: ok but i still want to be able to utilise it |
| 20:59.40 | tinkster | What's the canonical (no Ubuntu reference intended) way of setting up a source routing policy at boot in squeeze? Can I just slap what I'd do on the command line in the respective adapters section of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 20:59.54 | tinkster | The docu I felt wasn't overly clear on this ... |
| 21:00.10 | jelly-home | zsh-help-please: have you read https://github.com/sorin-ionescu/prezto#readme ? |
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| 21:00.15 | tinkster | s/docu/docu,/ |
| 21:00.23 | tinkster | s/felt/felt,/ |
| 21:00.26 | zsh-help-please | no |
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| 21:00.57 | jelly-home | zsh-help-please: have you read the original tree oh-my-zsh docs, then? |
| 21:01.16 | jelly-home | (prezto is a fork) |
| 21:01.22 | zsh-help-please | ive read the instructions from here https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh/ |
| 21:01.50 | jelly-home | zsh-help-please: and what fails to work? |
| 21:02.09 | zsh-help-please | running ohmyzsh as a regular user |
| 21:02.23 | zsh-help-please | as root i see the themes |
| 21:02.33 | zsh-help-please | as regualr user i see just a '$' |
| 21:02.41 | jelly-home | zsh-help-please: you need to install it as regular user, not root |
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| 21:03.23 | jelly-home | basically it keeps everything in a git tree in user's $HOME/.oh-my-zsh |
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| 21:03.36 | zsh-help-please | ok |
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| 21:03.53 | zsh-help-please | so i should uninstall then install as a regualr user with sudo ? |
| 21:04.00 | cortman | I guess I was wrong in saying a .envrc was needed- I just realized I use it to customize the terminal a bit; but it's generic between shells |
| 21:04.05 | jelly-home | zsh-help-please: doesn't matter really |
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| 21:04.14 | TheSarge | jelly: I know this is off topic so will you help me in pm with issues I am having installing BT please? |
| 21:04.18 | zsh-help-please | ok thanks |
| 21:04.50 | jelly-home | TheSarge: no, sorry, I don't help in private for free... ask in ##linux |
| 21:04.57 | TheSarge | :( |
| 21:05.15 | TheSarge | Ill just get flamed there |
| 21:05.37 | jelly-home | ignore the flames and focus on the technical issue |
| 21:06.26 | archetech | lol that channel is a zoo |
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| 21:07.18 | jelly-home | it used to be better kept |
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| 21:07.30 | raptor67782 | hi, would you know about the history of LESS? Why less has also the hjkl key bindings like VIM ? |
| 21:07.40 | TheSarge | says cannot send to channel for some reason |
| 21:08.00 | jelly-home | raptor67782: because mechanical memory can be made useful |
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| 21:08.34 | sney | TheSarge: some large channels require registered nicks to keep the noise/trolls to a minimum |
| 21:08.36 | jelly-home | TheSarge: ask about it in ##linux-ops, not here. Maybe you forgot to identify to nickserv. |
| 21:10.49 | raptor67782 | jelly-home: what would you mean by mechanical memory? |
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| 21:11.34 | sney | muscle memory. the things you can do without thinking about them |
| 21:11.44 | jelly-home | what he said |
| 21:12.05 | jelly-home | (or she? dunno) |
| 21:12.23 | cardamon | I always wondered why it was hjkl and not jkl; |
| 21:12.28 | nutron | libdigest-sha1-perl is availabli in squeeze and sid. Not testing. Wondering why as I cannot find any related bug reports. |
| 21:13.10 | jelly-home | cardamon: to switch between command and edit mode? :-) |
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| 21:13.53 | nutron | I'm ramping up wheezy deployment on some servers and require this package. Can I ... well I guess I'll have to install the sid version. |
| 21:14.31 | cardamon | nutron: Happens sometimes. wine-unstable is out of testing too. |
| 21:14.52 | jelly-home | cardamon: it's meant to be |
| 21:15.00 | jelly-home | possibly. |
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| 21:15.48 | cardamon | jelly-home: It's a problem since testing's winetricks deps it. |
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| 21:16.01 | cardamon | Although unstable's winetricks does not. |
| 21:16.02 | jelly-home | heh |
| 21:16.07 | nutron | wine's been out of debian altogether for some time. But this package seems to be ... fine. Yet not in testing. |
| 21:16.14 | nutron | Again, no bugs reported. |
| 21:17.35 | jelly-home | I seem to vaguely remember Digest::SHA1 being deprecated by some other module |
| 21:18.19 | jelly-home | ,v libdigest-sha1-perl |
| 21:18.20 | judd | Package: libdigest-sha1-perl on i386 -- lenny: 2.11-2+b1; lenny-backports: 2.13-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.13-1 |
| 21:18.28 | jelly-home | nutron: not in sid? |
| 21:18.49 | nutron | p.d.o says it's in sid. |
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| 21:18.59 | sney | p.d.o says it's in sid only on a few architectures |
| 21:19.31 | nutron | but I don't know for sure. I'm looking at the package tracking page, and it seems to have been removed. But the reason or a mention of a replacement module ... I can't find it yet. |
| 21:19.53 | jelly-home | Digest::SHA seems like an obvious thing to look at |
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| 21:20.30 | jelly-home | ,file /Digest/SHA.pm --release wheezy |
| 21:20.36 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 21:20.48 | jelly-home | lies! |
| 21:20.52 | jelly-home | ,file Digest/SHA.pm --release wheezy |
| 21:20.58 | judd | Search for Digest/SHA.pm in wheezy/i386: libdigest-sha-perl: usr/lib/perl5/Digest/SHA.pm; perl: usr/lib/perl/5.14.2/Digest/SHA.pm |
| 21:21.21 | nutron | Yep I found that one, didn't know it's meant to replace it though. |
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| 21:21.38 | nutron | ... bah .. new api interface... must rewrite sh*t again... |
| 21:21.44 | jelly-home | oh noes! |
| 21:21.50 | nutron | cries |
| 21:22.04 | nutron | That's actual work etc... |
| 21:23.02 | jelly-home | yeah, like... changing 2-3 lines in each source file referencing the thing! |
| 21:23.18 | nutron | =O |
| 21:23.49 | jelly-home | There's also libdigest-hmac-perl: /usr/share/perl5/Digest/HMAC_SHA1.pm and I have no idea what it does |
| 21:23.58 | jelly-home | ,v libdigest-hmac-perl |
| 21:24.00 | judd | Package: libdigest-hmac-perl on i386 -- lenny: 1.01-7; squeeze: 1.02+dfsg-1; sid: 1.03+dfsg-1; wheezy: 1.03+dfsg-1 |
| 21:24.01 | nutron | I believe my internet sarcasm and whine attempt failed. I shall attempt anew at a future date. |
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| 21:24.35 | jelly-home | but it has SHA1 in the name! |
| 21:24.52 | TheSarge | Man this is sucky |
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| 21:25.27 | TheSarge | It wants to change the partition table ven though im selecting a 15GB ext4 partition that is already there and a 1GB Swap partition that is already there |
| 21:25.28 | jelly-home | and even vaguely similar synopsis to the old moudle |
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| 21:25.48 | TheSarge | So I umount the /cdrom where /dev/sda4 is mounted |
| 21:25.52 | jelly-home | TheSarge: what does? |
| 21:25.54 | raptor67782 | cardamon: becuase it must work on more keyboards, not only US ones |
| 21:26.05 | fitnerd | does anyone know a way to list all system user accounts created by packages that are currently installed? |
| 21:26.12 | TheSarge | dor the partitioning step, but i cant remount it when it needs to copy the files it says cdrom is busy? |
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| 21:26.19 | TheSarge | jelly-home: The installer |
| 21:26.36 | jelly-home | TheSarge: the backtrack installer? |
| 21:26.44 | jelly-home | you managed to boot it? |
| 21:26.59 | TheSarge | lol I hve been able to with unetbootin but I hit this issue |
| 21:27.14 | TheSarge | You just want me to say its backtrack so you can tell me im off topic lol |
| 21:27.23 | jelly-home | TheSarge: yes. Also not to lie. |
| 21:27.30 | TheSarge | haha |
| 21:28.09 | sney | !bt4-magic |
| 21:28.09 | dpkg | BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:28.18 | jelly-home | hah |
| 21:28.24 | TheSarge | did you just make that? |
| 21:28.29 | sney | no, I made it last year |
| 21:28.34 | jelly-home | sney: but this is, like BT5-magic now. |
| 21:28.49 | sney | oh, perhaps I will just take out the number |
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| 21:29.19 | TheSarge | No one thinks it makes them a hacker lol |
| 21:29.23 | TheSarge | Si its not that funny |
| 21:29.24 | sney | will never understand the draw of advanced security testing tools to people who have no idea how to use them |
| 21:29.35 | jelly-home | TheSarge: you'd be surprised, unfortunately |
| 21:29.37 | TheSarge | Its just a good distro/community for penetration testing |
| 21:29.43 | sney | TheSarge: you didn't see most of the bt4 users who wandered in to #debian |
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| 21:30.02 | TheSarge | haha I just want to see this new release |
| 21:30.09 | TheSarge | But I think I am doomed |
| 21:30.19 | jelly-home | get an usb stick, I guess |
| 21:30.57 | TheSarge | I would if i could |
| 21:31.01 | TheSarge | I have a 2gb |
| 21:31.08 | jelly-home | alternative boot or install methods are always the path less traveled, and fraught with bugs |
| 21:31.09 | TheSarge | Wish they had a netboot |
| 21:31.20 | jelly-home | your stick is too small! |
| 21:31.47 | asgard20032 | !virtuoso |
| 21:31.51 | TheSarge | well I found something that says to umount the cdrom while it does its partitioning step but when i goto remount it says the /cdrom is busy |
| 21:32.10 | asgard20032 | Well, it look like the bot is afk |
| 21:32.18 | asgard20032 | Needed to know what is virtuoso |
| 21:32.51 | jelly-home | asgard20032: what is the context? |
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| 21:33.24 | TheSarge | if it says something is already mounted but yping /mount does not show it mounted? What is the next step? |
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| 21:33.49 | sney | TheSarge: the next step is to go to #backtrack-linux and stop trying to sneak offtopic support in #debian |
| 21:34.02 | TheSarge | There is no one there.. come on guys |
| 21:34.07 | acu | what happened with Compiz in GNOME3 - Wheezy ? Is it going to be in - or we go without desktop 3D effects in Wheezy ? |
| 21:34.11 | sney | or ##linux or whatever |
| 21:34.14 | TheSarge | This is basic linux stuff I am askin about here |
| 21:34.17 | TheSarge | Mount |
| 21:34.29 | sney | TheSarge: no, it's support for some weird installer you found. |
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| 21:34.37 | TheSarge | What installer? |
| 21:34.45 | TheSarge | Im asking a mount question |
| 21:34.47 | jelly-home | TheSarge: dude, it's not debian. ask in the right channel please. |
| 21:34.55 | TheSarge | Dude there is no one there |
| 21:35.02 | jelly-home | !they don't know |
| 21:35.02 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 21:35.02 | sney | !they don't know |
| 21:35.04 | TheSarge | Im just asking about mount |
| 21:35.08 | sney | jelly-home: jinx |
| 21:35.14 | TheSarge | Debian has mount |
| 21:35.19 | jelly-home | \m/ |
| 21:35.45 | acu | !mount |
| 21:35.45 | dpkg | i heard mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>. |
| 21:35.54 | TheSarge | Wow |
| 21:36.00 | TheSarge | Debian used to have a good community |
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| 21:36.10 | TheSarge | Till all the good devs went to ubuntu and mint |
| 21:36.12 | acu | TheSarge ask your question |
| 21:36.17 | sney | TheSarge: the helpers in #debian are volunteers who choose to support debian in their/our spare time. Please respect the rules of this channel and keep the offtopic nonsense elsewhere |
| 21:36.25 | TheSarge | I know that |
| 21:36.33 | sney | apparently not |
| 21:36.43 | asgard20032 | Context is that i am working with the KDE team to resolve an issue |
| 21:36.44 | TheSarge | Doesnt change the fact that the community has gone to crap, i have been with debian since 95 |
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| 21:36.52 | TheSarge | But maybe its time to goto Mint or ubuntu |
| 21:36.53 | jelly-home | TheSarge: register and auth with nickserv, and ask in ##linux, there will be other people willing to help in a generic linux os context. Many of those will be THE SAME PEOPLE |
| 21:37.25 | TheSarge | You obviosly didnt bother to whois me before you assumed I dont have a registed nick? |
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| 21:37.31 | TheSarge | Cause I do its 7 years old |
| 21:37.40 | acu | TheSarge: you can't have used Debian since 95 :) why don't you ask your question |
| 21:37.55 | TheSarge | acu: I have already asked my question |
| 21:38.09 | jelly-home | TheSarge: you're not identified at present, that's why ##linux doesn't let you write |
| 21:38.11 | acu | Just ask it again |
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| 21:38.27 | acu | what is so big fuss about a mount question ? |
| 21:38.38 | sney | acu: it's not a question of knowledge, but a question of scope. this channel is for Debian support. full stop. |
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| 21:38.52 | acu | I have more grave concerns about finding Compiz in Wheezy GNOME3 :) |
| 21:38.53 | TheSarge | How can i not have been using it since 95? It came out august of 93... |
| 21:38.53 | sney | acu: if you want to help this guy in a PM window, go ahead |
| 21:39.04 | djzn | is debian-next release going to have gnome-shell as default user interface? |
| 21:39.08 | jelly-home | acu: this channel presumes a debian environment and debian specific advice will be provided. Often it's suboptimal or downright harmful on other distros. |
| 21:39.11 | TheSarge | jelly-home: I am identified as of present lmao |
| 21:39.28 | jelly-home | TheSarge: not what /whois TheSarge TheSarge says |
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| 21:39.38 | cortman | thomas, give it up lol |
| 21:39.47 | sney | djzn: it's currently being discussed, it may be gnome-shell or xfce |
| 21:39.50 | tdubz | that's so annoying |
| 21:39.52 | jelly-home | ah, good job TheSarge |
| 21:40.03 | tdubz | i keep releasing my nick, his script nicks to it before i do |
| 21:40.30 | tdubz | goddamn it. |
| 21:40.32 | sney | acu: compiz is stalled getting into wheezy because of some dependencies |
| 21:40.39 | cortman | lol |
| 21:40.42 | djzn | sney: that's definitely a milestone... (if avoided) |
| 21:40.46 | sney | tdubz: ghost him? |
| 21:40.55 | TheSarge | Not sure what is wrong with nick Services at the moment |
| 21:40.56 | thomas | finally |
| 21:41.00 | thomas | no, that's mean :( |
| 21:41.03 | TheSarge | as the identify commend is not working |
| 21:41.06 | thomas | i don't feel like disconnecting him |
| 21:41.11 | acu | sney: is there any alternative for cube desktop effects in GNOME ? |
| 21:41.13 | TheSarge | and I actually already identified so its broken |
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| 21:41.20 | djzn | sney: but in the case of xfce, would that be the *raw* xfce or a tweaked one |
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| 21:41.32 | sney | acu: dunno, I don't use that sort of thing, but you might be able to install compiz from sid |
| 21:41.39 | asgard20032 | !are you here? |
| 21:41.40 | dpkg | Yes, I'm right here, asgard20032. |
| 21:41.45 | TheSarge | So why can't I have been using Debian since 95? |
| 21:41.48 | asgard20032 | !nice to see you |
| 21:42.09 | sney | TheSarge: if you don't have a relevant debian question, please go away |
| 21:42.16 | TheSarge | excuse me? |
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| 21:42.26 | TheSarge | I have been idling this channel for 10 years |
| 21:42.26 | sney | asgard20032: something we can help you with? |
| 21:42.33 | TheSarge | since beofre you were even on here |
| 21:42.46 | TheSarge | Do not tell me to ask a question or go away |
| 21:42.56 | acu | TheSarge: take it easy... if you used it, good for you, if you have used debian for 17 years, for sure a mount question can be solved by you in few minutes max |
| 21:43.00 | sney | TheSarge: is that supposed to be impressive? if you've been here that long then you were here for all the Knoppix stupidity and you know exactly what the problem is |
| 21:43.27 | asgard20032 | Well, was just wondering, something i talk to the bot, and it dont respond |
| 21:43.34 | TheSarge | I don't care if you had issues with Knoppix users, I am asking a Debian relevant question. |
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| 21:45.09 | acu | TheSarge: this seem to be a psych-op, what is the question? You manage to initiate an emotional response in many good people here :) Just ask the question |
| 21:45.23 | sney | a question about a based-on-debian distro, none of which are supported in #debian. your question is more important than the choice of any volunteers to support only debian systems, apparently. |
| 21:45.24 | TheSarge | I have already asked it four times, scroll up. |
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| 21:45.32 | sney | acu: again, help him in a PM window if you want |
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| 21:45.43 | TheSarge | No he can help here, its a debian issue |
| 21:45.46 | sney | !ops TheSarge is confused about based on debian |
| 21:45.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: sney complains about: TheSarge is confused about based on debian |
| 21:45.51 | TheSarge | Lmao |
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| 21:48.05 | acu | well, it seems that we got in somehow futile zone, have a nice day :) Take a break, relax... |
| 21:48.08 | TheSarge | He pulled out the ops alert cause I asked about Mount in #Debian lmao |
| 21:48.20 | themill | TheSarge: you should know better than that... please move on |
| 21:48.27 | TheSarge | Than what? |
| 21:48.38 | TheSarge | Asking about mount in #debian? |
| 21:48.50 | LoRez | TheSarge: wtf is your question? |
| 21:48.57 | themill | TheSarge: mount has documentation, hand. |
| 21:49.26 | TheSarge | If mount says /dev/sda4 is already mounted but mount shows nothing for /sda4 where do I lok? |
| 21:49.29 | TheSarge | look |
| 21:49.39 | LoRez | /proc/mounts |
| 21:49.40 | TheSarge | I have read the documentation thx |
| 21:49.45 | TheSarge | Nothing there |
| 21:49.46 | LoRez | mount looks at mtab |
| 21:49.48 | TheSarge | on sda4 |
| 21:50.15 | TheSarge | hmm I havent tried mtab but I dont see anything either |
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| 21:51.17 | LoRez | cheat and use grep |
| 21:51.19 | peterS | <TheSarge> Debian used to have a good community <TheSarge> Till all the good devs went to ubuntu and mint |
| 21:51.37 | peterS | why aren't you asking your question in #ubuntu, then? This is puzzling, I mean. |
| 21:51.53 | TheSarge | Because those users were annoying me telling I was offtopic |
| 21:51.54 | jelly-home | peterS: that channel doesn't accept backtrack installer questions either |
| 21:51.54 | acu | I am back, do not now if you kicked The Sarge off - but maybe this "conflict" is beneficial, perhaps a support room should be started for ALL Debian distros |
| 21:51.56 | themill | peterS: what's the syntax for a forwarding ban again? that'll solve that problem |
| 21:51.56 | TheSarge | When i wasnt |
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| 21:52.23 | TheSarge | Banned? |
| 21:52.34 | TheSarge | For asking about mount and getting flamed for it? |
| 21:52.46 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@unaffiliated/thesarge] by ChanServ |
| 21:52.47 | reactormonk | I'm struggling with a usb serial converter here - on the other end, there is an ALIX, but minicom tells me the device is offline |
| 21:52.48 | peterS | nobody has banned you yet, don't jump the gun here |
| 21:52.52 | jelly-home | acu: an inclusive derivatives channel would indeed be nice |
| 21:52.54 | themill | TheSarge: let's take a break for a bit. |
| 21:52.57 | LoRez | peterS: ORLY? |
| 21:53.02 | ceil`PuTTY | yeah, that's a +q, not a +b! |
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| 21:53.10 | LoRez | it's still a ban. |
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| 21:53.12 | ceil`PuTTY | total 180 rotation :p |
| 21:53.25 | acu | I think loving-kindness, inner peace and a serenity should permeate all our states of being, and anyone using Debian or Debian distros should find a place |
| 21:53.26 | peterS | ok so I didn't notice the +q that happened 1 second before I hit enter. sorry. |
| 21:53.35 | themill | TheSarge: come back when everyone's cooled down and ask a concise, on-topic question and we can help you. |
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| 21:53.51 | ceil`PuTTY | peterS: i was just messin' :p i knew what happened |
| 21:54.24 | boudiccas | when using winff to convert a mp4 file to avi on squeeze, it fails everytime with ... /usr/bin/ffmpeg: unrecognized option '-vf' .... does anyone have any idea how i can get round this please? |
| 21:54.51 | reactormonk | boudiccas: #ffmpeg |
| 21:55.00 | jordanm | use valid ffmpeg options? |
| 21:55.05 | boudiccas | reactormonk: k, thanks |
| 21:55.08 | ceil`PuTTY | heh |
| 21:55.21 | robokop | don't want to interrupt with the chastising, but readlink on the mtab entries might give something |
| 21:55.24 | peterS | it's pretty funny though if you think about it. "you guys have sucky support now that the good devs are all over in ubuntu. Oh and btw they treated me badly over in #ubuntu so that's why I'm using #debian for my generic linux question" |
| 21:55.29 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: Figure out the right options. |
| 21:55.34 | acu | boudiccas, I do not know for sure, but sometimes you get weird messages if you do not have the right encoding decoding software - special if it is proprietary |
| 21:55.38 | themill | boudiccas: is that winff working with ffmpeg from debian or av* utils etc? Do you actually have debian packages or debian-multimedia packages there? |
| 21:55.44 | ceil`PuTTY | peterS: i got a chuckle out of it :) |
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| 21:56.03 | boudiccas | themill: debian packages, no multimedia at all |
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| 21:57.10 | acu | boudicass: I will let you in the hands of themill:) however, you may need non-free repos to be added - or if the encoding is really weird and too proprietary - search for crystian marrilat (debian multimedia repositories) |
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| 21:58.26 | boudiccas | acu: you got my nick wrong :) is 'crystian marrifat' a person or a programme please? |
| 21:58.39 | boudiccas | marrilat |
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| 21:58.51 | ceil`PuTTY | tab is a wonderful key :p |
| 21:58.51 | robokop | person |
| 21:58.55 | acidfu | heya, anyone use restartd and monitor more than one deamon ? I'd like to see the the .conf example, thank you |
| 21:59.01 | themill | boudiccas: acu means deb-multimeida.org |
| 21:59.06 | themill | with fewer typos |
| 21:59.11 | ceil`PuTTY | lol |
| 21:59.14 | acu | cristial marrilat yes |
| 21:59.15 | benc1213 | hi |
| 21:59.19 | boudiccas | themill: k thanks |
| 21:59.20 | acu | cristian marillat |
| 21:59.22 | acu | sorry |
| 21:59.57 | themill | boudiccas: winff may or may not work better with ffmpeg from there rather than libav from debian. Both utilities are a mess... I can't promise anything from either... :( |
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| 22:00.39 | acu | http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ |
| 22:00.52 | themill | would not recommend that route |
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| 22:13.16 | PigFlu | its in /media/ |
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| 22:16.23 | boudiccas | is this the right url for debian-multimedia ... deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free .... please? |
| 22:16.47 | themill | dpkg: tell boudiccas about dmm squeeze |
| 22:18.20 | acidfu | what are you guys using to monitor and restart daemon that might die ? |
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| 22:19.01 | peterS | acidfu: mostly, run reliable daemons that don't randomly crash (: |
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| 22:19.36 | acidfu | yeah that is the best case scenario ;) |
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| 22:20.01 | acidfu | I must run a demo server of a service I wrote but it's still in beta... so I just need something that will restart it on needed |
| 22:20.15 | acidfu | I actually have two daemon that interact together... |
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| 22:20.29 | acidfu | I used to use restartd with one daemon, but now that I added another daemon to monitor |
| 22:20.30 | robokop | : |
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| 22:20.33 | acidfu | it doesn't behave nicely ;/ |
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| 22:21.38 | robokop | aargh stupid phone, dorry for the random 1 letter l8nes |
| 22:21.52 | CaffeCorretto | hello! |
| 22:22.05 | robokop | and the stupid typos |
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| 22:22.23 | streuner | CaffeCorretto: buona sera |
| 22:22.51 | CaffeCorretto | buonasera :) |
| 22:23.16 | TheSarge | wow |
| 22:23.34 | acidfu | ? |
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| 22:25.17 | TheSarge | 1I am trying to mount /dev/sda4 on /cdrom but it says it is already mounted. When typing mount it doesnt show /dev/sda4 mounted anywhere? |
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| 22:25.47 | streuner | cdrom is usually sr0 |
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| 22:26.04 | jordanm | TheSarge: pastebin: mount; cat /etc/mtab /proc/mounts |
| 22:26.12 | themill | TheSarge: is this inside some installer or is this in the host debian system? |
| 22:26.39 | TheSarge | jordanm: Okay one sec |
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| 22:28.58 | TheSarge | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/GxU7MQ00 |
| 22:29.51 | mongo | hrm...one of these days the drupal7 package wont' be borked |
| 22:29.57 | mongo | guess I should step up and fix it |
| 22:30.00 | jordanm | TheSarge: aufs? what kind of system is this? |
| 22:30.19 | jordanm | mongo: there has been past talk of simply removing the web application packages |
| 22:30.32 | mongo | hrm looks like this is really a apache2-mpm issue |
| 22:30.54 | TheSarge | jordanm: its a livecd do you see from that why I cant mount sda4? |
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| 22:31.12 | jordanm | mongo: which mpm? |
| 22:31.20 | mongo | the virtual |
| 22:31.33 | mongo | I think drupal has it as a required |
| 22:31.55 | mongo | apache2-mpm-worker : Conflicts: apache2-mpm which is a virtual package. |
| 22:32.31 | jordanm | in stable it Provides: apache2-mpm |
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| 22:33.04 | themill | mongo: if you want to use mod_php then you have to use apache2-mpm-prefork, btw |
| 22:34.11 | mongo | themill: I'm going to be using |
| 22:34.57 | boudiccas | themill: thanks for that dpkg factoid. i tried apt-get but it held back ffmpeg for some reason, so i tried aptitude from the command-line [first time i've used it too] and its now installing like a charm. thanks :) |
| 22:35.11 | mongo | err using php5-fpm |
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| 22:36.01 | jordanm | probably want event for fcgi |
| 22:36.32 | themill | mongo: I assume this is with wheezy then; yes that should work too. |
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| 22:37.07 | jordanm | TheSarge: no |
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| 22:41.49 | themill | mongo: installing the mpm and php packages you want first and then installing the web app is the best way of ensuring that apt does what you want in these situations. (assuming things don't have a hard dep on libapache2-php5 or something silly like that) |
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| 23:16.55 | bintut | waves |
| 23:16.59 | bintut | i am having some confusion in using tcpdump and the right capture filter and snaplen to use. i want to sniff all udp and tcp traffic except http and write it to a pcap file using the -w option but i am only interested on the following information: access_time | src_ipaddr | src_port | dst_ipaddr | dst_port | svc_name | protocol | upload_size | download_size |
| 23:17.02 | bintut | any advice? |
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| 23:30.11 | NetEcho | Apparently my wifi needs non-free iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode and -1 as well how do I go about loading that by USB? |
| 23:30.26 | bintut | hello..? anyone..? |
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| 23:38.21 | mentor | NetEcho: Just install the package and the kernel firmware loader will take care of it |
| 23:39.40 | mentor | bintut: Is there any reason why you can't worry about what information you need on reading the capture file? |
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| 23:40.23 | bintut | mentor: sorry, i don't get you. |
| 23:41.05 | mentor | bintut: Oh, I might see the problem. The filter selects packets |
| 23:41.14 | abuanoname | ter |
| 23:41.37 | mentor | bintut: The packet information then gets written to the pcap file |
| 23:41.41 | abuanoname | hae fit |
| 23:42.21 | NetEcho | mentor how do you install the package while doing an install on the "business card" net install cd? |
| 23:42.25 | abuanoname | how put or change android to debian |
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| 23:42.46 | NetEcho | mentor: I'm loading the .deb I found to USB as we speak |
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| 23:43.10 | jason____ | got a mdadm situation, who wants to give me a hand? |
| 23:43.17 | mentor | jason____: Just ask |
| 23:43.26 | mentor | NetEcho: Just plug in the USB, it should appear as a USB mass storage, mount it, dpkg -i <file> |
| 23:43.36 | mentor | You may then need to prod the kernel module |
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| 23:43.39 | NetEcho | mentor I have no console |
| 23:43.49 | bintut | mentor: yes, i am going to -w file.pcap but i am looking for a way to set the snaplen to a safe number of bytes if i only need the following: access_time | src_ipaddr | src_port | dst_ipaddr | dst_port | svc_name | protocol | upload_size | download_size |
| 23:43.49 | NetEcho | it's a net install minimal cd Alt+F2 does nothing |
| 23:43.57 | mentor | NetEcho: There's a console on virtual terminal 2 or 3 in the installer, I think |
| 23:44.03 | abuanoname | can you answare my |
| 23:44.28 | NetEcho | mentor: nope tried to pull open the console, my only option seems to be to load it to USB and hope the installer detects it |
| 23:44.35 | jason____ | i purposly pull down a drive out of my array to put some stuff on it and carry out of town, in the process, another drive puked, according to kernel device kept timing out, so i pulled it out and plugged it back in, kerenel see's it as the next letter down the line, i'd like to forcefully readd it to the array, since i don't think there's anythign wrong, but it won't let me. |
| 23:45.11 | jason____ | granted, this is a science experiement, so nothing is important, but i'd like to practice this and actually try and repair it before just wiping the array and rebuilding, practice, before i buy 12x2tb drives and something serious hapens. |
| 23:45.20 | drazak | k |
| 23:45.37 | mrdeb | hi i have one problem |
| 23:45.47 | NetEcho | ok it detects the .deb just the wrong package lol |
| 23:46.11 | jason____ | so, my problem is, i can' force the drive back into the arrya, complains it contains a superblock and it needs to wiped. is there anyway around that? |
| 23:46.18 | jason____ | can't force* |
| 23:46.24 | abuanoname | debian on samsung young have ready for test |
| 23:46.26 | jason____ | sorry about the typos, i spilled beer on the keyboard. |
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| 23:46.39 | mentor | bintut: Do you believe the default snaplen won't work for you? I.e., are you looking at any non-default protocols? |
| 23:46.47 | NetEcho | Deb installer can only support WEP for wireless? |
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| 23:47.40 | mentor | jason____: I'm more concerned about you wasting beer |
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| 23:47.55 | jason____ | i spilled it while drunk! so it's ok! |
| 23:48.02 | jason____ | :/ right? |
| 23:48.08 | bintut | mentor: default snaplen is zero means unlimited |
| 23:48.27 | mentor | bintut: I was under the impression the default snaplen was 68 |
| 23:49.08 | jason____ | anyways, the superblock reports it as a member but the re-add fails, |
| 23:49.15 | jason____ | mdadm: not performing --add as that would convert /dev/sdi in to a spare. |
| 23:49.15 | jason____ | mdadm: To make this a spare, use "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdi" first. |
| 23:49.27 | jason____ | but if i wipe the superblock, it'll for sure puke my array |
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| 23:49.54 | mentor | jason____: Is the problem that you need to tell md that the drive ids have changed? |
| 23:50.18 | NetEcho | k I think I'm gonna try and finagle a network cord because this is terrible |
| 23:50.20 | bintut | mentor: well, i can set it to 68 but still, i don't think it is safe to set the snaplen to 68 just to get the info i just need. but it's worth a try. |
| 23:50.26 | bintut | another question related to the tcpdump options. assuming i physically have eth0 and eth1 gigabit interfaces but on my system, eth0 is in promiscuous mode. how can i tell tcpdump that it will only listen to the eth0 when in fact it is in promiscuous mode? |
| 23:50.31 | mentor | bintut: Why not? |
| 23:50.51 | jason____ | i had 5/5 drives, borrowed one for moving stuff out of town, which i wiped superblock and added it's own filesystem. whiel out of town, another drive timed out, and the array is marked as failed. before wiping the superblock of the drive that failed, i'd like to try and recover the array back to 4/5 drives |
| 23:50.57 | jason____ | mentor, i would say...yes? |
| 23:51.43 | bintut | mentor: i cannot test all the possible types of traffic and check individual packets if they all have the information i just need |
| 23:51.46 | jason____ | pulling the drive, and reinserting it, is changing the drive id, but i guess i've never thought about having the array to reconginze the same drive with a diffrent letter... |
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| 23:52.01 | jason____ | i thought maybe forcefully adding the drive would do that, i suppose not |
| 23:52.05 | bintut | anyway, another question related to the tcpdump options. assuming i physically have eth0 and eth1 gigabit interfaces but on my system, eth0 is in promiscuous mode. how can i tell tcpdump that it will only listen to the eth0 when in fact it is in promiscuous mode? |
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| 23:52.13 | mentor | I'm not sure what md does with regards to UUIDs |
| 23:52.27 | jason____ | hm. |
| 23:53.32 | mentor | bintut: It gets the UDP and TCP headers |
| 23:53.51 | krababbel | bintut: add ! eth1 to the command? |
| 23:54.03 | mentor | bintut: Are you using any non-standard transport layer protocols? |
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| 23:54.22 | ManoftheSea | tcpdump -i eth0 ? |
| 23:54.32 | mentor | bintut: tcpdump puts the interface in promiscous mode |
| 23:54.43 | bintut | mentor: udp maybe safe but tcp is stream based which i need to follow it later. |
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| 23:55.41 | bintut | krababbel: are you saying that it will automatically sniff the interface that is in promiscuous mode which actually is not displayed when you execute "ifconfig"? |
| 23:55.52 | bintut | mentor: all |
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| 23:59.12 | krababbel | bintut: I meant you can specify filters to tcpdump, for example what ManoftheSea wrote. |
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