| 00:00.24 | mentor | bintut: If you want tcpdump to stop and start dumping packets, you should stop and start tcpdump |
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| 00:00.51 | bintut | krababbel and ManoftheSea: if the interface is already in promiscuous mode, isn't it that the interface will not appear when you execute "ifconfig" or "ethtool" ? |
| 00:00.52 | ManoftheSea | has anyone pointed out the man page yet? |
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| 00:01.10 | mentor | bintut: What attributes do you need from which protocols higher than the transport layer? |
| 00:01.14 | ManoftheSea | bintut: if the interface isn't up, it's sometimes hidden |
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| 00:01.44 | bintut | mentor: ideally, tcpdump should not stop 24x7 |
| 00:01.44 | mentor | ifconfig shows up interfaces by default |
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| 00:01.52 | mentor | bintut: Why? |
| 00:02.19 | mentor | ifconfig -a shows all interfaces |
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| 00:02.22 | ManoftheSea | bintut: who are you trying to spy on? |
| 00:02.29 | bintut | ManoftheSea: on the system side, the interface is in promiscuous mode already. |
| 00:02.45 | ManoftheSea | bintut: that doesn't change anything |
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| 00:03.21 | bintut | mentor: as i've said, i just need the following information: access_time | src_ipaddr | src_port | dst_ipaddr | dst_port | svc_name | protocol | upload_size | download_size |
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| 00:03.57 | mentor | bintut: Well, that doesn't answer the question I asked |
| 00:03.58 | ManoftheSea | upload_size and download_size might be difficult. Where are you getting svc_name? |
| 00:03.59 | bintut | mentor: i don't need the rest of the information, like the actual data that is being transmitted. |
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| 00:04.07 | ManoftheSea | so you want the headers. |
| 00:04.22 | ManoftheSea | Isn't that what tcpdump captures by default? |
| 00:04.23 | mentor | Which are captured within the default 68 |
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| 00:04.54 | bintut | mentor: it will run 24x7 because that is the requirement |
| 00:05.11 | mentor | That also doesn't answer the question I asked |
| 00:05.29 | bintut | ManoftheSea: i just need the following info: access_time | src_ipaddr | src_port | dst_ipaddr | dst_port | svc_name | protocol | upload_size | download_size |
| 00:05.29 | mentor | My ability to help is limited by the information given |
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| 00:05.32 | krababbel | maybe a bot? |
| 00:05.56 | mentor | bintut: If you don't understand, I would prefer that you say so, rather than just repeating yourself. |
| 00:06.09 | ManoftheSea | that's an interesting one, then, krababbel |
| 00:06.21 | bintut | ManoftheSea: svc_name is actually just a mapping of the dst_port (e.g. tcp port 21 is ftp) |
| 00:06.40 | ManoftheSea | bintut: right, I thought it was redundant |
| 00:07.04 | mentor | bintut: The port number is in the TCP/UDP/transport layer header |
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| 00:07.16 | bintut | mentor: please highlight to me the specific question you asked that i still haven't answered yet. thank you. |
| 00:07.36 | mentor | bintut: The meaning of "svc_name" is one example |
| 00:07.46 | jelly-home | bintut: you can use a format option for -w |
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| 00:07.55 | mentor | bintut: Saying, it must run 24×7 because it must run 24×7 is a tautology |
| 00:08.17 | ManoftheSea | mentor: is it wrong to want it to run 24x7? |
| 00:08.24 | mentor | No |
| 00:08.31 | bintut | mentor: yes, for accounting and dispute purposes |
| 00:08.58 | jelly-home | bintut: read about -G and -w. A trivial google search for https://www.google.com/search?q=tcpdump+rotate+capture+file finds eg. https://www.google.com/search?q=tcpdump+rotate+capture+file |
| 00:09.03 | Seattle_Mike | is there a way to put a sox process in a sandbox? (no Dr. Suess here) |
| 00:09.11 | mentor | Except that tcpdump must run all the time, except it must not capture when the interface is not in promiscuous mode |
| 00:09.18 | ManoftheSea | Seattle_Mike: a sox in a box? |
| 00:09.21 | mentor | Which is not the same as running all the time |
| 00:09.31 | ManoftheSea | like, a chroot? |
| 00:09.36 | mentor | ManoftheSea: He. explicitly. said. |
| 00:09.44 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: How much of a sandbox? |
| 00:09.51 | ManoftheSea | mentor: too good to resist. |
| 00:09.56 | ManoftheSea | he may have in b4 |
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| 00:10.07 | ManoftheSea | you could run it in a chroot |
| 00:10.19 | bintut | mentor: and we need to have an evidence. maybe this is not the most efficient way to gather the report but that is already our plan on how to gather the information. a dedicated box will listen to a mirrored port on the core switch |
| 00:10.53 | ManoftheSea | bintut: when would it not be promiscuous? |
| 00:10.56 | bintut | jelly: i am aware of the -G option that it will rotate the pcap file and -w to create the pcap file. |
| 00:10.58 | mentor | bintut: Point is, I don't think the promiscuous flag does what you think it does, because your request doesn't really make sense |
| 00:11.05 | Seattle_Mike | ManoftheSea Mentor a sandbox so that anything else in system doesn't take priority. Sox is invoked by a python script (fmcapture) and my genned wav files are getting chopped off. |
| 00:11.12 | jelly-home | bintut: so what's the problem with implementing 24x7 |
| 00:11.41 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: Yes, you can do that, but it's not a trivial matter |
| 00:12.44 | mentor | bintut: So, all I'm asking is to know what you are trying to achieve, so I can help you do that. |
| 00:12.45 | bintut | mentor: what i'm trying to say for the promiscuous mode interface is that, physically i have eth0 and eth1 but eth0 is in promiscuous mode on the system itself and eth1 is the management interface. eth0 is directly connected to the mirrored port on the core switch. |
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| 00:13.05 | mentor | bintut: So you only want to run tcpdump on one interface? |
| 00:13.09 | Seattle_Mike | mentor - I am willing to fix it. Interesting that I literally have running AOK for years ... on Squeeze now. Something changed? |
| 00:13.38 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: Sorry, I misread your answer |
| 00:13.51 | mentor | bintut: You can pass a -i option to tcpdump |
| 00:13.56 | mentor | n |
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| 00:14.47 | jason____ | AHHH, i rebooted and now they're all spares!! wtf!? |
| 00:14.52 | mentor | Oh shit |
| 00:15.10 | Seattle_Mike | mentor: I am willing to try the non easy boxing. I know now it chops if I play something during the record. But I can't see anything happing in syslog at time of chop. |
| 00:15.45 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: Do you think the sox process is getting killed? |
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| 00:16.10 | mentor | jason____: Don't do anything that writes to the drives until you know what's going on |
| 00:16.19 | bintut | jelly-home: the problem in running tcpdump in 24x7 with snaplen of 0 is that, it will create GBs to TBs of a pcap files if i am expecting of not less than 10k of concurrent users. i don't think setting the snaplen to 0 (though is safe to capture all data) is wasting of resources when i just need the following information: access_time | src_ipaddr | src_port | dst_ipaddr | dst_port | svc_name | protocol | upload_size | download_size |
| 00:16.34 | Seattle_Mike | mentor: Sox is doing all the work of capturing ...there is nothing in any log about it failing. All I see is the start. |
| 00:16.36 | jason____ | it's not mounted...reasons like this after a reboot i manually mount |
| 00:16.43 | mentor | bintut: The default snaplen is 68 |
| 00:16.45 | jelly-home | bintut: why are you still using snaplen 0 |
| 00:17.17 | mentor | jason____: Bear in mind that mdadm operations may also do things |
| 00:17.37 | jason____ | i know. |
| 00:17.43 | jason____ | not sure what's going on |
| 00:17.44 | mentor | OK |
| 00:17.50 | jason____ | glad i have 5 spares though... |
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| 00:17.57 | bintut | mentor: yes, i want tcpdump to listen to one interface. maybe let me change my question for the dedicated interface. do i really need to set the eth0 to be in promiscuous mode since eth0 is directly connected to the mirrored port on the core switch? |
| 00:18.03 | jelly-home | bintut: I think I remember telling you this morning to test and find the smallest snaplen needed to catch all the data you need |
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| 00:18.29 | mentor | bintut: You don't need to set any interfaces to promiscuous. tcpdump will do that for you. |
| 00:18.31 | Seattle_Mike | mentor Good point. Although sox is the process running it's possible to fm card is failing. |
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| 00:19.05 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: My immediate thought that, as it's python, the OOM killer might be getting triggered |
| 00:19.35 | ManoftheSea | bintut: everything you want is in the header, the header is the first 68. |
| 00:19.47 | bintut | mentor: ok. done for the promiscuous mode. for the snaplen, it is already safe to set it to 68 for all types of traffic to get all the information i need? |
| 00:19.53 | ManoftheSea | Capture only 68 of each packet. tcpdump will put the interface in promisucous itself |
| 00:19.57 | bintut | ManoftheSea: ok, i got it. |
| 00:20.07 | mentor | bintut: I'm not exactly clear on some of the things you want, but I believe they're all most likely in the headers |
| 00:20.13 | Seattle_Mike | mentor Uhhhm yeah that could do it fmcapture is and ollllllllllld script and python has gone through changes. |
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| 00:20.25 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: OOM killer would show up in the logs, though |
| 00:20.29 | ManoftheSea | As for download and upload size, you will need to do post-processing. |
| 00:20.39 | ManoftheSea | There is nothing in a packet that says how long the ip stream is. |
| 00:20.42 | mentor | If you wanted it excluding protocol overhead |
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| 00:20.57 | jelly-home | ManoftheSea: amusingly tcpdump on my wheezy i386 install uses snaplen 0 when no -s is provided, and there's no mention of that change in changelog or in the manual |
| 00:21.08 | ManoftheSea | jelly-home: oh, hunh. |
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| 00:21.22 | ManoftheSea | yeah, that's not expected behaviour |
| 00:21.26 | jelly-home | man page implies a small snaplen in several places |
| 00:21.40 | alitis22 | is anyone using gnome3 from testing? i get frequent crashes when logging in from gdm. i dont think im able to log in anymore |
| 00:21.40 | haxi_ | Hi here ! |
| 00:21.42 | mentor | jelly-home: My sid version says that 0 is the same as 65535, not that it is the default |
| 00:21.54 | haxi_ | I'm running debian squeeze on my desktop, with kde4 and kdm. I have a serious problem, when I try to login in kdm greet, I've got a black screen and then I see kdm greet again... Password is good of course. If anyone can help, would be great, thanks ! |
| 00:22.07 | alitis22 | this is with the intel driver |
| 00:22.12 | haxi_ | And I also got trouble updating my system, aptitude wants to delete almost all kde packages (and apt-get do nothing)... |
| 00:22.41 | mentor | alitis22: Any kernel/gpu messages?/ |
| 00:22.42 | ManoftheSea | haxi_: have you tried failsafe login? |
| 00:22.44 | bintut | ManoftheSea: yes, there will be a post processing for all the tcp based pcap files because i need to insert all the info that i just need to mysql |
| 00:22.46 | Seattle_Mike | mentor: Nope .... I'll check real quick no OOM in logs. |
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| 00:23.04 | haxi_ | ManoftheSea: nope, I don't even know what it is |
| 00:23.19 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: Do you log the output of these commands? |
| 00:23.21 | haxi_ | ho sorry |
| 00:23.26 | ManoftheSea | bintut: have you seen http://www.xplico.org/ |
| 00:23.30 | bintut | guys, that was why i still want to set the snaplen to something else because the default is 0 |
| 00:23.38 | mentor | bintut: 68 is good |
| 00:23.39 | haxi_ | ManoftheSea: It crashes the same with failsafe |
| 00:23.52 | ManoftheSea | can you log in on console, haxi_ |
| 00:23.57 | alitis22 | mentor: i didnt really check tbh |
| 00:24.01 | Seattle_Mike | mentor No other than editting the wav file. |
| 00:24.11 | haxi_ | well, I can not 10 mins ago, but now I can |
| 00:24.28 | jason____ | i think it's fucked |
| 00:24.33 | haxi_ | I had black screens instead of all my consoles.. |
| 00:24.39 | jason____ | mount is treating it as a dud file system |
| 00:24.42 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: I think some sort of debug logging would be more productive than some sort of resource sandbox for sox |
| 00:25.20 | mentor | jason____: I believe there are applications that do a brute force search for information on block devices |
| 00:25.29 | Seattle_Mike | mentor I would think SOX is ok ... as it produces the correct output but the chop is the fm signal...not present. |
| 00:25.37 | mentor | Ah |
| 00:25.40 | jason____ | yeah, but mdadm is looking for superblock info i think. |
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| 00:25.53 | jason____ | i can't --detail it, because it isn't active.. |
| 00:26.16 | mentor | Seattle_Mike: I suspect you are rapidly leaving my area of expertise |
| 00:26.18 | bintut | mentor: ok, i got it. but i have a follow-up question. if i set the snaplen to 68, can i still follow the stream on the tcp based pcap files when i read it? |
| 00:26.34 | Seattle_Mike | mentor Well I will know in a few hours if leaving the system alone will give me 5 hours of recording ..... |
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| 00:26.59 | Seattle_Mike | mentor Thanks it's a bit beyond me also .... Thanks for your help. |
| 00:26.59 | mentor | bintut: When you say "follow the stream" do you mean, see the data in the TCP connection?? |
| 00:27.13 | ManoftheSea | bintut: the packet header is how the "stream" is stitched together |
| 00:27.17 | ManoftheSea | that's in the 68 |
| 00:27.22 | mentor | bintut: You'll get the headers |
| 00:27.27 | mentor | bintut: Not the actual data |
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| 00:27.47 | haxi_ | ManoftheSea: When I search on /var/log/kdm.log, I find d-bus messages such as "no dbus session-bus found " |
| 00:27.48 | ManoftheSea | you'll see who and how long the packet was, but you won't get full data |
| 00:28.02 | mentor | That'll be times, sizes, ports, addresses but not actual data |
| 00:28.07 | ManoftheSea | haxi_: it sounds like you're missing packages, and in a broken state |
| 00:28.17 | bintut | guys, i don't need the actual data. still stick on the info i just need. |
| 00:28.32 | haxi_ | Oh mh.. f*k |
| 00:28.34 | bintut | guys, thank you very much for your time and help |
| 00:28.49 | mentor | haxi_: That's not necessarily fatal |
| 00:28.55 | mentor | bintut: No problem |
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| 00:30.23 | haxi_ | should I do some magic aptitude stuff? |
| 00:31.12 | bintut | waves. thank you very much guys for all your help and patience. you know who you are. :) |
| 00:31.12 | ManoftheSea | "aptitude fix-all --magic --like-i-want-it" |
| 00:31.29 | mentor | waves his hanky |
| 00:31.32 | ManoftheSea | haxi_: you could fire up aptitude, and see if you can't resolve some dependencies. |
| 00:31.46 | haxi_ | yeah I did |
| 00:31.50 | ManoftheSea | does it immediately want to make changes/ |
| 00:31.54 | ManoftheSea | ? |
| 00:31.54 | mentor | haxi_: Check the X log maybe? |
| 00:32.08 | haxi_ | aptitude wants to delete all my kde packages because they are in conflict.. |
| 00:32.36 | ManoftheSea | did you say you upgraded? |
| 00:33.30 | mentor | haxi_: Find the broken package |
| 00:33.34 | haxi_ | mentor: Xorg log file does not contain any errors :/ |
| 00:33.35 | mentor | haxi_: b is a shortcut |
| 00:33.42 | mentor | haxi_: :/ |
| 00:34.39 | bintut | waves. gtg now. |
| 00:34.53 | haxi_ | safe-upgrade says " 388 packages not updated" |
| 00:35.54 | ManoftheSea | well, it's not easy, but... Look at the list of packages it wants to remove one-by-one, find out what it conflicts with, and resolve by hand. |
| 00:36.02 | ManoftheSea | I had to do that with gnome from squeeze-wheezy |
| 00:36.10 | haxi_ | hargf |
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| 00:36.16 | mentor | haxi_: Are there any broken packages? |
| 00:36.21 | haxi_ | many ... |
| 00:36.31 | ManoftheSea | it isn't fun. |
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| 00:37.07 | haxi_ | hehe I already experienced packages fails, i think last time I just reinstalled fresh, lol |
| 00:37.27 | mentor | It's usually maybe 1 package |
| 00:37.33 | haxi_ | do you think there is anyway I can get a graphical environment |
| 00:37.46 | ManoftheSea | xfce? |
| 00:38.00 | haxi_ | I gotta try |
| 00:38.02 | mentor | You could just install any simple windowmanager |
| 00:38.09 | haxi_ | the question is, will kdm load it |
| 00:38.57 | ManoftheSea | yes |
| 00:39.30 | jason_____ | hmm. |
| 00:39.31 | ManoftheSea | wait, you said failsafe fails? |
| 00:39.42 | ManoftheSea | Failsafe is the barest minimum. |
| 00:39.46 | jason_____ | failsafe always fails, murphys law, what can go wrong will go wrong |
| 00:39.53 | ManoftheSea | If it fails, nothing else (should) be able to work |
| 00:40.02 | haxi_ | yes. default, plasma, and failsafe fails |
| 00:40.03 | haxi_ | huh |
| 00:41.06 | haxi_ | installing xfce |
| 00:42.09 | haxi_ | xfce fails. |
| 00:42.30 | haxi_ | duh, this looks fucked |
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| 00:42.49 | haxi_ | maybe should I try aptitude's solution to delete all kde ... |
| 00:42.56 | mentor | haxi_: This feels like a graphics driver/hardware failure to me |
| 00:42.59 | ceil | xfce > gnome |
| 00:43.19 | haxi_ | trolli-troll |
| 00:43.29 | mentor | Let's not get started on that |
| 00:43.36 | haxi_ | it could be.. but X don't throw errors |
| 00:43.39 | ceil | :( |
| 00:43.46 | WinstonSmith | pff my $editor is better then your $os |
| 00:43.53 | WinstonSmith | hides again |
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| 00:44.28 | mentor | haxi_: What about the kernel logs |
| 00:44.40 | mentor | WinstonSmith: But it lacks a good text editor? |
| 00:45.04 | WinstonSmith | mentor: no an email client ;-) |
| 00:45.13 | mentor | :p |
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| 00:46.49 | ManoftheSea | if only someone could implement common lisp in emacs |
| 00:47.02 | ManoftheSea | we could get a good text editor there. |
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| 00:47.13 | ManoftheSea | ctrl-cmd-butterfly |
| 00:47.13 | haxi_ | mentor: mhh... syslog: "kdm_greet[] cannot load /usr/share/.../faces/default.face: no file or directory" |
| 00:47.25 | mentor | kdm is loading correctly though? |
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| 00:47.33 | haxi_ | it looks like, yeah |
| 00:47.39 | mrtux | hello |
| 00:47.50 | haxi_ | well I can enter my login at least... woo |
| 00:47.52 | ManoftheSea | konbanwa, penguin |
| 00:48.30 | mrtux | i'm installing debian in qemu |
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| 00:48.46 | mrtux | so how much does it need to download? |
| 00:48.52 | mrtux | my internet is slow and etc |
| 00:49.20 | ManoftheSea | I'd suggest around 700MB, for a rather default install. |
| 00:49.25 | ManoftheSea | maybe less. |
| 00:49.25 | mrtux | ah |
| 00:49.38 | mrtux | I downloaded the business card cd version |
| 00:50.50 | haxi_ | well |
| 00:51.30 | haxi_ | I think I'd better backup all my data manually and launch a fresh install |
| 00:52.11 | jason_____ | it's b0rked, wiped it and going with raid6... |
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| 00:52.20 | jason_____ | i can see raid6 is standard with devices being so cheap... |
| 00:52.53 | GTRsdk | Can someone help me find out what make & model my SD card reader is without opening the netbook? |
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| 00:53.46 | GTRsdk | (Netbook is Acer AOD255 with an Atom N450) |
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| 00:54.39 | mentor | GTRsdk: lspci? lsusb? |
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| 00:55.33 | GTRsdk | ah forgot about lsusb. Found who makes it, and the model. Thanks! |
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| 00:58.27 | mentor | np |
| 01:00.06 | haxi_ | mh.. just tried to login with gdm3 |
| 01:00.19 | haxi_ | doesn't work |
| 01:00.26 | haxi_ | I dunno what to do |
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| 01:01.19 | mentor | haxi_: Try loading X from the command line? |
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| 01:03.11 | haxi_ | don't work, log is throwing some nvidia warnings... "mode 1920x1080 not specified in the EDID" |
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| 01:05.38 | haxi_ | I think the last solution could be aptitude's one |
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| 01:14.05 | haxi_ | my computer is doing strange things at 3.10 am |
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| 01:16.04 | netecho_ | Hi there, I saved the wrong credentials to access a network share and now its not giving me the option to use another user, if anyone has any info on this that'd be great |
| 01:16.28 | haxi_ | all right. Global freeze |
| 01:16.36 | gnarface | netecho_: you're hosed. |
| 01:16.39 | haxi_ | sick night coming |
| 01:16.53 | mentor | netecho_: In what? |
| 01:17.12 | netecho_ | mentor: Nautilus .. btw got wifi working nicely :) |
| 01:17.33 | netecho_ | gnarface: its not nice to lie |
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| 01:18.10 | mentor | I'm not sure where credentials are kept offhand |
| 01:18.17 | mentor | preferences somewhere? |
| 01:18.29 | netecho_ | I love how this computer is just way to old to run Windows decently anymore but linux is running nicely |
| 01:18.40 | netecho_ | mentor: yea thats what I'm thinking, googling around for the answer as well |
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| 01:20.31 | netecho_ | mentor: found it :D System > Preferences > Passwords and Keys |
| 01:21.07 | netecho_ | now hopefully nautilus decides to work with me lol |
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| 01:21.29 | netecho_ | else I'm just gonna SCP the file |
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| 01:22.09 | ManoftheSea | special containment procedure? |
| 01:22.43 | netecho_ | ManoftheSea: Secure Copy it uses SSH |
| 01:23.00 | netecho_ | and it looks like thats what I'll have to do :/ |
| 01:23.20 | haxi_ | wtf |
| 01:23.27 | haxi_ | aptitude wants to delete gcc4.3 |
| 01:24.51 | ceil | who *doesn't* want to delete gcc4.3? |
| 01:24.56 | ceil | :) |
| 01:25.25 | NetEcho | lol |
| 01:26.04 | NetEcho | ceil; apparently haxi_ doesn't :P |
| 01:26.16 | haxi_ | nah seriously |
| 01:26.20 | haxi_ | my system is fucked up |
| 01:26.25 | haxi_ | I'm sad |
| 01:26.29 | NetEcho | :( |
| 01:26.46 | mentor | haxi_: Why does it want to do that? |
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| 01:26.48 | ceil | :( |
| 01:27.08 | NetEcho | haxi_ don't worry I spent days trying to set up a series of VM systems to emulate my work server environment for development but it kept breaking, so now I'm just doing it all on my laptop lol |
| 01:27.14 | haxi_ | dunno, in conflict |
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| 01:27.43 | haxi_ | lol im on crappy laptop too |
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| 01:27.45 | mentor | with what? |
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| 01:28.05 | ManoftheSea | ah, yeah, thanks. |
| 01:28.13 | ManoftheSea | caps messed with my reading. |
| 01:28.19 | NetEcho | haxi_ is your laptop from the Windows XP days before Vista and 7 existed? lol |
| 01:28.41 | haxi_ | I think it was shipped with vista, lol |
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| 01:28.58 | jagginess | vista is for losers XD |
| 01:29.02 | NetEcho | indeed lol |
| 01:29.10 | NetEcho | I bought my laptop back in like 2004 lol |
| 01:29.11 | jagginess | worst os |
| 01:29.26 | WinstonSmith | $random_stuff lol |
| 01:29.32 | WinstonSmith | sighs |
| 01:29.33 | NetEcho | weirdly enough I ran Win 7 24/7 on it for the last year until I finally bought a better system for work |
| 01:29.36 | haxi_ | I think debian overwrited vista 5mins after unpacking this laptop ;) |
| 01:29.59 | jagginess | overwrote mwhahaha |
| 01:30.05 | haxi_ | ouch |
| 01:30.11 | haxi_ | sorry it's 3am |
| 01:30.13 | jagginess | oww!! |
| 01:30.17 | haxi_ | jaggi |
| 01:30.25 | ceil | jagginess: t's how i originally went from WinXP to Ubuntu :p |
| 01:30.25 | jagginess | 3 am is early! |
| 01:30.26 | NetEcho | my laptop likes debian much much better |
| 01:30.29 | ceil | no lookin' back XD |
| 01:30.41 | mentor | Not that I'm approving of this Windows bashing, but has anything in Windows improved since XP? |
| 01:30.52 | reactormonk | mentor: the eye candy |
| 01:30.56 | ceil | mentor: all downhill, from what i've seen |
| 01:31.00 | dvs | the income |
| 01:31.02 | GTRsdk | wonders why his Ene 6250 card reader doesn't work, even when the drivers are modprobe'd in... the card still doesn't appear as /dev/sdx |
| 01:31.03 | NetEcho | lol mentor aside from interfaces for dumb people nope |
| 01:31.04 | ceil | heh |
| 01:31.15 | WinstonSmith | win7 is actually quite ok, i deal with it at $work |
| 01:31.22 | WinstonSmith | mentor: ^ |
| 01:31.24 | NetEcho | yea Win 7 is tollerable |
| 01:31.25 | ceil | mentor: apparently win8 will have a sort of app store |
| 01:31.31 | WinstonSmith | tolerable |
| 01:31.38 | ceil | but that goodness (potential) is nullified by their shit new UI :p |
| 01:31.38 | NetEcho | WinstonSmith ty |
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| 01:31.58 | haxi_ | pff I dunno what to do |
| 01:31.59 | NetEcho | ceil I think they'll also have Aero available |
| 01:32.11 | haxi_ | I has 1To to backup on my external hdd.. |
| 01:32.13 | NetEcho | but hands down I need a linux system for my development needs |
| 01:32.13 | ceil | haxi_: nuke it from orbit, start over |
| 01:32.27 | ceil | i need linux for my desktop needs |
| 01:32.28 | mentor | Yay |
| 01:32.37 | mentor | More ways for Microsoft to exert control over the market |
| 01:32.46 | ceil | been using stepdad's win7 box last coupla days *eyes ceil`PuTTY* |
| 01:33.03 | ceil | no window shading... no multiple virtual desktops... no focus follows mouse |
| 01:33.13 | ceil | how can people use Windows for the desktop? totally unusable for me :x |
| 01:33.28 | netecho_ | ceil, gaming |
| 01:33.35 | ceil | och, aye |
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| 01:33.41 | ceil | netecho_: Valve'll change that ;) |
| 01:34.01 | reactormonk | Would you know a channel for voyage linux? got this problem: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.voyage.general/6759 |
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| 01:34.47 | netecho_ | ceil: not overly they still have to convince all the major developers to release on linux, just like out of my 500 games only like 3 of them are available for MacOS |
| 01:35.01 | netecho_ | its sad really |
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| 01:35.44 | ceil | baby steps... |
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| 01:36.00 | ceil | it'll help if people vote with their wallets |
| 01:36.03 | netecho_ | ceil: unfortunatly yea |
| 01:36.10 | ceil | let devs see a nice uptick in business to valve post-porting ;) |
| 01:36.15 | mentor | Valve has seen the writing on the wall |
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| 01:36.36 | mentor | And also the pure unadultered joy of being able to fix graphics drivers |
| 01:36.41 | netecho_ | honestly if I could get all my games on linux I'd have no use for windows |
| 01:36.42 | ceil | i personally plan to try and buy every title they make available on launch day (up to, say $150) |
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| 01:36.58 | ceil | i don't really game that much |
| 01:37.09 | ceil | the game i've played the most is Unreal Tournament... original :p |
| 01:37.14 | netecho_ | well except maybe Microsoft Office 2010, not a fan of Open office |
| 01:37.21 | ceil | (natively installed, thanks to Loki :p) |
| 01:37.33 | ceil | closest i get to an office app is vim.tiny :p |
| 01:37.38 | netecho_ | lol |
| 01:38.14 | netecho_ | well our entire work environment is Windows so in that aspect I'd probably run a Win 7 virtualbox system to provide me with the stuff we use at work |
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| 01:38.59 | netecho_ | speaking of work ugh, I gotta get ready soon |
| 01:39.06 | ceil | same here :( |
| 01:39.21 | ceil | WinXP is used at my work, but that's just a POS :p |
| 01:39.25 | ceil | (convenience store) |
| 01:39.37 | netecho_ | yea |
| 01:40.06 | netecho_ | we have Win XP for our desk terminals, Windows CE (I think Win 2000 Based) for our POS terminal, and Win 7 for the Back office network |
| 01:40.53 | netecho_ | with a very messy network infrastructure making it a PITA to do anything between them |
| 01:40.56 | haxi_ | lol |
| 01:41.05 | netecho_ | thanks to franchise routing regulations :( |
| 01:41.08 | haxi_ | I can't access to cli console |
| 01:41.17 | haxi_ | damnit |
| 01:41.52 | netecho_ | so I just picked up a USB ethernet dongle for my system and have both networks on my system to provide a way to access the front desk network and printers without having to pay them to re-configure the router |
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| 01:46.25 | haxi_ | hehe |
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| 01:47.01 | haxi_ | I think i now own the longest gdm3 starting world record |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | haxi_: did you actually login, or is it just starting ? |
| 01:47.38 | haxi_ | before login |
| 01:47.40 | MA111 | Greetings. after rebooting, my touchpad is just not working.. tried most of Google sujests, still no go, help ? |
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| 01:47.50 | MA111 | Using squeeze |
| 01:49.09 | abrotman | haxi_: ah okay |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | haxi_: tried restarting gdm3 ? |
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| 01:49.22 | abrotman | MA111: not working how? |
| 01:49.34 | haxi_ | well I just rebooted, because I cannot acces to cli anymore |
| 01:50.04 | MA111 | abrotman: not moving the cursor , or click |
| 01:50.17 | MA111 | abrotman: completely dead |
| 01:50.19 | haxi_ | abrotman: my main problem is when I login inside kdm or gdm, I've got a black screen and then the kdm/gdm greet login comes back again, and again |
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| 01:52.06 | haxi_ | no matter kde_plasma/xfce/failsafe login, no one works it just fails and return to login window |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | haxi_: always using gdm3? |
| 01:52.41 | haxi_ | something is fucked with my graphics |
| 01:52.51 | abrotman | haxi_: checked your ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 01:52.57 | haxi_ | no, I'm used to kdm, but switched right now to test |
| 01:53.11 | abrotman | MA111: configured how ? |
| 01:53.13 | haxi_ | pff when the logins fails, I can't go to my cli consoles anymore, |
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| 01:53.43 | MA111 | abrotman: I don't have any special config, it worked fine for days after I Installed Debian, all of sudden, dead |
| 01:54.01 | abrotman | physically perhaps ? |
| 01:54.02 | haxi_ | well, I can reach a console, the screen is totaly black, but if I it "reboot" and enter, the computer reboots... |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | nvidia card? |
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| 01:54.25 | haxi_ | yes |
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| 01:55.12 | abrotman | nouveau or nvidia driver? |
| 01:55.15 | abrotman | or vesa? |
| 01:55.18 | haxi_ | I also got a aptitude' dependencies big problem, due to some ~15 conflics, aptitude wants to delete all my kde packages (and some more, around 300) |
| 01:56.02 | MA111 | I made another chagne to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ,I'll try to restart X and see if that helps, I do see the cursor, it's just not moving |
| 01:56.02 | haxi_ | I think I was running nuv |
| 01:56.04 | haxi_ | nouveau |
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| 01:56.30 | abrotman | conflicts? |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | when is th elast time you did a dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:57.45 | haxi_ | yeah, some kde packages conflict each other, also mysql.. it's random |
| 01:57.50 | haxi_ | mh some time ago I guess |
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| 01:58.06 | abrotman | might be time to try that again |
| 01:58.19 | jagginess | ought to do an apt-get update then apt-get -f install |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | when you run testing/unstable, doing a dist-upgrade is fairly important |
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| 01:59.24 | MA111 | yes, still not wokring |
| 01:59.26 | haxi_ | well sorry but I already tried and aptitude solution to remove dependencies still want to delete many many things |
| 01:59.32 | MA111 | the touchpad I mean.. |
| 01:59.50 | abrotman | MA111: have oyu tried without an xorg.conf ? |
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| 02:00.07 | MA111 | abrotman: yes, there was none to begin with |
| 02:00.17 | MA111 | only after it stopped working, I created xorg.conf |
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| 02:00.39 | haxi_ | for example, "libgomp1 broke : gcc-4.3 (<4.3.6-1) but 4.3.5-4 is installed" |
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| 02:00.50 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 02:00.55 | abrotman | MA111: i should note that the wiki has a nice .d for synaptics |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | haxi_: this is how you know you haven't done a dist-upgrade in ages |
| 02:01.19 | r3m | abrotman: could i run : sudo badblocks /dev/sdb1 (a FAT32 filesystem on it) or its another command? |
| 02:01.23 | MA111 | abrotman: nothing seems to be influencing, the toucpad itself is deteced fine by the system |
| 02:01.27 | haxi_ | errr ! |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | r3m: to do ? |
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| 02:01.49 | r3m | abrotman: i would like to know if the key is still good |
| 02:01.57 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: error: The triggers database contains arch-qualified package names that the old dpkg won't parse. You should get rid of them (or downgrade them to a non Multi-Arch: same version) before proceeding |
| 02:01.57 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 02:02.10 | abrotman | r3m: key? |
| 02:02.12 | r3m | usbkey |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 02:02.25 | DelphiWorld | how do i get rid of that error ? |
| 02:02.30 | abrotman | r3m: sonuds reasonble |
| 02:02.37 | r3m | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 02:02.45 | abrotman | r3m: make sure that's the right device |
| 02:02.53 | r3m | yup |
| 02:02.57 | haxi_ | abrotman: so is there a way to make things better or it's realy messed up ? |
| 02:03.00 | DelphiWorld | for example libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | haxi_: you have to complete the full-upgrade |
| 02:03.51 | MA111 | should xorg.conf be under /etc/X11 or under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d , I don't have any of the two under /etc/X11 |
| 02:03.52 | haxi_ | mh ok |
| 02:03.58 | haxi_ | and then I do dist upgrade? |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | MA111: it depends |
| 02:04.04 | MA111 | so I'm not sure as for where to create them |
| 02:04.09 | MA111 | abrotman: ? |
| 02:04.09 | abrotman | haxi_: make sure you update first |
| 02:04.14 | haxi_ | k |
| 02:04.20 | haxi_ | let's delete everything on my system hehe |
| 02:04.30 | abrotman | MA111: if you're doing a full xorg.conf, it goes in the xorg.conf .. if it's in the .d, it's for a particular device |
| 02:05.21 | MA111 | I see, I don't have a .d direcory at all, and I did try both approaches, with no success, pointer is frozen stiil |
| 02:05.37 | klys | where is a good place to ask about UTF-16 ? |
| 02:05.46 | abrotman | klys: need more context |
| 02:05.47 | MA111 | and its funny i'm trying to fix it, I don't like using the mouse anyway, its just for the reason that's something is working. |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | MA111: did you see the wiki page? |
| 02:06.09 | abrotman | it really has a great blurb about it |
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| 02:06.37 | MA111 | abrotman: yes, well, I'm going to copy that entire file, create an xorg.conf.d , place it there, and let us see what happens |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | MA111: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 02:06.53 | klys | I have a flatfile, edict2.gz, begins each line with UTF-16 encoding, the rest of the line is nls_iso8859-1; and it seems I need to convert it to UTF-8. |
| 02:06.57 | oscurochu | I need to copy an lvm partition onto a new hard drive. What is the easiest way to do this? |
| 02:07.07 | MA111 | abrotman: yes, that's the one I'm reading |
| 02:07.13 | abrotman | klys: that sounds horrible .. see iconv |
| 02:07.24 | klys | abrotman: thx bud |
| 02:07.26 | MA111 | will creat the direcory, place the file, reboot, and come back if no go |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | klys: good luck |
| 02:07.32 | oscurochu | The hard drive I need to copy is the same size as the other. |
| 02:07.37 | klys | sure |
| 02:07.44 | abrotman | encodings suck! |
| 02:07.55 | DelphiWorld | LOL |
| 02:08.01 | haxi_ | abrotman: thanks for help. I'm currently full-upgrade'ing. I hope it will heeeelp me login ;) |
| 02:08.24 | abrotman | haxi_: really, running testing without periodically doing a full-upgrade generally leads to things failing to work |
| 02:08.44 | haxi_ | I was used to do safe-upgrades everytime |
| 02:09.02 | haxi_ | dunno why.. anyway I'll remember the advice, thx :o) |
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| 02:13.01 | MA111 | well, |
| 02:13.10 | MA111 | no go still, no touchpad or clicks. |
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| 02:13.39 | abrotman | MA111: anything odd in dmseg ? |
| 02:13.42 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 02:14.01 | ponihoax | i have three virtualhosts (3 domains) on my server and was wondering if it was good practise to allow munin/phpmyadmin/etc.. to be accessible throughout all three? eg. foo.com/munin , bar.org/phpmyadmin ,etc.. ? |
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| 02:14.14 | MA111 | abrotman: what should I grep for ? |
| 02:14.36 | abrotman | you'll hvae to read the whole thing, plus read your Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:16.47 | dioz | so if i have two nics in the same lan in debian is there anything specific i have to do? |
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| 02:17.40 | abrotman | dioz: to do what with them? |
| 02:17.58 | PinkFreud | hey folks. I'm having a hell of a time trying to get the john package (John the Ripper) to build correctly on wheezy. |
| 02:18.08 | abrotman | build why? |
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| 02:18.39 | PinkFreud | abrotman: I'm attempting to rebuild it against OpenMPI. |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | PinkFreud: sounds creepy! |
| 02:19.08 | PinkFreud | As far as I can see, though, the CFLAGS that debian/rules sets up are being completely ignored when I use dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 02:19.11 | dioz | not load share not load balance just simply exist in peace w/ two nics each with its own 172.16.1.0/24 |
| 02:19.25 | dioz | ip in that range anyways |
| 02:19.30 | abrotman | dioz: each with their own IP, sure |
| 02:19.54 | dioz | i connect them and originally get each get their own ip address |
| 02:19.55 | PinkFreud | This is most puzzling - somehow, the package maintainer was able to get this to build, but I appear to be lacking the necessary magic. |
| 02:20.02 | dioz | then eventually the "gateway" claims they're the same device |
| 02:20.07 | dioz | and gives them both the same ip address |
| 02:20.19 | dioz | it appears that both arps are going only out eth0 |
| 02:20.23 | jagginess | dioz, 169.x.x.x ? |
| 02:20.57 | dioz | then eventually both interfaces aren't accesible from the lan |
| 02:21.05 | PinkFreud | Any ideas? I would have thought that CFLAGS was fairly straightforward in debian/rules, but apparently I'm mistaken. |
| 02:21.32 | krababbel | dioz: you need to creat a |
| 02:21.41 | krababbel | dioz: a bridge I think |
| 02:21.54 | jagginess | dioz, when you say "then" are you answering my previous qustion? (try using nick,) |
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| 02:22.35 | dioz | i don't even know what question you asked jagginess sorry |
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| 02:23.10 | jagginess | dioz, you didnt see my "169.x.x.x?"-- you said they both get the same ip |
| 02:23.36 | dioz | originally they each get their own ip... then after a couple minutes... the gateway claims they are the same device |
| 02:23.44 | dioz | and it claims they both have the same ip |
| 02:23.47 | dioz | one interface stops working |
| 02:23.50 | dioz | then the other stops working |
| 02:24.11 | dioz | ip link dev down it |
| 02:24.12 | jagginess | do you know what an ip address looks like? |
| 02:24.24 | dioz | 172.16.1.0/24 |
| 02:24.27 | jagginess | or know how to list one? |
| 02:24.36 | jagginess | that's not an ip address |
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| 02:24.41 | dioz | the machines will pull 172.16.1.72 and 172.16.1.71 |
| 02:25.15 | dioz | then after a couple minutes the gateway claims that both nics (hosts) are the same host... (which it is) |
| 02:25.16 | dioz | so it gets just one ip |
| 02:25.23 | dioz | then the interfaces stop working,,, |
| 02:25.29 | dioz | from what i can see according to wireshark |
| 02:25.36 | dioz | is all the arps go from one interface |
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| 02:25.38 | jagginess | sure |
| 02:25.39 | PinkFreud | hrm. |
| 02:25.44 | dioz | how do i stop that |
| 02:26.03 | haxi_ | abrotman: wooo ! You rocks man :o) I can login ! |
| 02:26.04 | jagginess | stop what? |
| 02:26.14 | haxi_ | Just need to reinstall kde... Maybe... |
| 02:26.20 | haxi_ | jagginess: do you know nixcoders? |
| 02:26.21 | dioz | the arps from going through only 1 NIC |
| 02:26.32 | jagginess | dioz, . |
| 02:26.35 | abrotman | haxi_: see, works better :) |
| 02:26.39 | jagginess | dioz, turn off your firewalls. |
| 02:26.46 | dioz | no firewall |
| 02:26.48 | jagginess | dioz, you should not filter arp. |
| 02:26.49 | NetEcho | ok so after bringing my laptop to work now Debian won't boot, something with X11 has gone wrong, and the screen freezes up as soon as it trys to launch gdm |
| 02:27.00 | NetEcho | I can get into console using recovery mode and a lot of patience but thats it |
| 02:27.54 | jagginess | NetEcho, maybe somebody at worked messed aroung with it.. you know how bosses are |
| 02:28.05 | dioz | but i should be able to specify which arps go where |
| 02:28.09 | dioz | jagginess: |
| 02:28.20 | jagginess | dioz, turn off the firewall. don't touch arp. |
| 02:28.25 | NetEcho | jagginess no I was just on the laptop 20 minutes ago at home, and between home and here debian has gone screwy |
| 02:28.30 | dioz | i don't have a firewall |
| 02:28.35 | dioz | no firewalling is enabled |
| 02:28.36 | NetEcho | it's a fresh friggin install |
| 02:29.00 | jagginess | NetEcho, maybe it's your gnome settings.. did you try with a bare new user? |
| 02:29.00 | krababbel | dioz: you need a bridge, or use different subnets |
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| 02:29.14 | jagginess | NetEcho, this the desktop or the logon screen? |
| 02:29.29 | NetEcho | jagginess I can't boot the computer up outside of safemode, X crashes 2 seconds into boot |
| 02:29.31 | krababbel | dioz: that's what I heard |
| 02:29.32 | NetEcho | and the system freezes |
| 02:29.49 | NetEcho | I've got a root shell right now via safemode (grub) and thats it |
| 02:30.20 | jagginess | NetEcho, not true. |
| 02:30.23 | NetEcho | is there somewhere I could potentially find an error log to narrow it down? |
| 02:30.25 | PinkFreud | is there some bit of magic I need to use to get this package to build like the maintainer can? |
| 02:30.31 | jagginess | NetEcho, X doesnt get started in runlevel 1. |
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| 02:30.38 | dioz | so you don't know how to restrict arps to a specific interface? |
| 02:30.56 | Doobie420 | does anyone know how to change the passphrase on an encrypted lvm? |
| 02:30.58 | NetEcho | jagginess as soon as the boot screen intializes anything to do with X my sreen goes funky and then the system is unusable |
| 02:31.01 | jagginess | dioz, what is the topology? <pc1>-<pc2>-<router> ? |
| 02:31.02 | dioz | like i said i'm sure the switch and the router are confused cause all the arps are coming out the same interface |
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| 02:31.23 | dioz | eth0 and eth1 are connected to a switch which is connected to a gateway (router) |
| 02:31.32 | dioz | 1 pc |
| 02:31.42 | jagginess | dioz, eth0 and eth1 are on 1 machine? |
| 02:31.49 | NetEcho | jagginess like I said is there anywhere to find out whats causing the halt on bootup? |
| 02:31.49 | dioz | yea |
| 02:31.58 | dioz | nvm i found it |
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| 02:32.03 | jagginess | dioz, i dont think you know what a switch is |
| 02:32.04 | dioz | after i used the word restrict |
| 02:32.06 | dioz | google is so dumb sometimes |
| 02:32.16 | dioz | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_announce = 2 |
| 02:32.26 | dioz | net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_ignore = 1 |
| 02:32.53 | jagginess | dioz, so eth0 connects to the router, and where does eth1 connect to? |
| 02:32.59 | dioz | the router |
| 02:33.06 | jagginess | well thats stupid |
| 02:33.07 | dioz | they both actually connect to a switch |
| 02:33.10 | dioz | that is connected to the router |
| 02:33.20 | jagginess | that's not how you use networking equipment |
| 02:33.42 | dioz | why not? |
| 02:33.52 | NetEcho | log files? anything? |
| 02:33.54 | jagginess | rtfm. |
| 02:33.55 | lasers | Doobie420: "man cryptsetup" -- There are luksAddKey, luksRemoveKey (or luksChangeKey). |
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| 02:34.11 | Doobie420 | thanks |
| 02:34.17 | dioz | why are you telling me to read the manual? all i was wondering was how to restrict arps to their interface |
| 02:34.31 | dioz | i wasn't asking you to tell me how "A switch works" |
| 02:34.37 | dioz | i clearly understsand what i'm attempting to do |
| 02:34.38 | jagginess | well it's wrong. |
| 02:34.41 | dioz | just not specifically in debian |
| 02:34.46 | jagginess | omg |
| 02:34.49 | jagginess | #networking. |
| 02:34.51 | jagginess | ^ go there. |
| 02:34.54 | dioz | why? |
| 02:34.58 | dioz | u trollin me bro |
| 02:35.03 | dioz | i'mma be the bigger man and just walk away now |
| 02:35.04 | jagginess | its not even a debian problem.. |
| 02:35.05 | dioz | peas |
| 02:35.32 | NetEcho | dioz he's correct it's a general linux/networking issue |
| 02:35.45 | dioz | funny how i fixed it |
| 02:35.52 | magyar | hi, is there a way to boot aqemu from a iso image |
| 02:35.53 | magyar | ? |
| 02:37.20 | NetEcho | I suppose getting support on this issue is going to be near impossible tonight and I'm going to have to format... AGAIN |
| 02:38.08 | dioz | NetEcho:, jagginess http://pastebin.com/bBWT4mY4 |
| 02:38.10 | dioz | check that out |
| 02:38.55 | dioz | you get what i'm sayin now? |
| 02:39.03 | NetEcho | wth , my client didn't show that |
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| 02:39.33 | NetEcho | dioz I'd love to be able to help but my system is screwed and unusable right now |
| 02:39.47 | dioz | oookay! |
| 02:40.00 | NetEcho | I gotta try and re-install X |
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| 02:40.40 | dioz | i could also build bridges with virtual lans to accomplish the same thing with a single nic |
| 02:40.45 | dioz | thank you to however suggested that |
| 02:40.49 | bintut | waves |
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| 02:42.56 | dioz | i could also have used arptable to do it i guess |
| 02:42.56 | PinkFreud | heh. ok, I guess this package just can't build. |
| 02:43.43 | NetEcho | Anyone know how to go about reinstalling X and Gnome back to debian default? |
| 02:43.46 | PinkFreud | I've no clue how a binary package exists, because the package source, as distributed, cannot build a systemwide binary. |
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| 02:43.57 | dioz | NetEcho: apt-get remove purge them |
| 02:44.03 | PinkFreud | Looks like I get to file a bug. |
| 02:44.12 | dioz | dpkg remove them and their config files |
| 02:44.12 | dpkg | dioz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:44.15 | krababbel | dioz: I don't know how debian handles this, usually you'd have to consider packet storms, no? |
| 02:44.16 | NetEcho | dioz what are the package names? |
| 02:44.32 | bintut | a few hours ago, i asked here about tcpdump. i just tried using the options: tcpdump -s 68 -nlvvv -i etho no tcp -w all-traffic-except-tcp.pcap |
| 02:44.36 | dioz | gnome-core |
| 02:44.44 | krababbel | dioz: for virtual lans you don't need two nics |
| 02:44.49 | dioz | i know |
| 02:45.00 | dioz | i was saying i could do it with a single nic and virtual lans and bridges |
| 02:45.09 | krababbel | dioz: I meant bridging the two nics together |
| 02:45.20 | krababbel | didn't read correctly |
| 02:45.22 | NetEcho | Dioz thats just gnome, I also need the X server stuff since I can't even start X up |
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| 02:45.36 | dioz | dpkg --list will show you which packages you currently have installed |
| 02:45.36 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, dioz |
| 02:45.42 | NetEcho | dioz thanks |
| 02:46.06 | dioz | it will be a huge list so you might grep it |
| 02:46.14 | bintut | i am now wondering. am i getting the actual download size and upload size of each packet since i am setting the snaplen to 68? |
| 02:46.53 | dioz | you'd probably need wireshark to figure that out bintut |
| 02:46.58 | bintut | please enlighten my understanding. thank you. |
| 02:47.47 | NetEcho | dioz thank you |
| 02:48.37 | bintut | dioz: yes, i can use that. in wireshark, it should fall under the length column if i'm not mistaken. but i should use tcpdump in capturing pcap files. |
| 02:49.00 | NetEcho | bbl |
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| 02:52.33 | klys | abrotman: I did it with iconv -f eucjp -t utf8 /var/www/edict2 -o /var/www/edict2.iconv.txt, so thanks. |
| 02:52.46 | dioz | bintut: tcpdum -i eth* -xx -s 64 |
| 02:53.49 | bintut | dioz: what do you mean? |
| 02:54.04 | jagginess | you guys should go to #networking |
| 02:54.58 | haxi_ | thx for help, bye |
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| 03:13.22 | jsjc | hey! I just created a bootcd with bootcdwrite but got some issues to load... |
| 03:13.46 | jsjc | anyway decided to get a new system up and running and would like to know if there is a way to uncompress /decode the files inside the iso |
| 03:14.14 | jsjc | there is some config files that would like to preserver and now I do not have a way of extracting them from the iso. |
| 03:17.10 | gunkaaa | jsec: mount the iso image, it's just a normal filesystem. |
| 03:17.24 | peterS | jsjc: if the files are stored normally on the iso: mount -r -t isofs -o loop /path/to/iso /mnt |
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| 03:18.20 | peterS | the -r is optional (it means read-only, which it will always do, just if you specify it it won't print a warning), the -t isofs is only needed if the iso9660 kernel module doesn't happen to already be loaded. but anyway. |
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| 03:38.10 | ponihoax | no one ? :-/ |
| 03:41.54 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 03:44.43 | sney | ponihoax: ? |
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| 03:50.22 | ponihoax | sney: i have three virtualhosts (3 domains) on my server and was wondering if it was good practise to allow munin/phpmyadmin/etc.. to be accessible throughout all three? eg. foo.com/munin , bar.org/phpmyadmin ,etc.. ? |
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| 03:51.49 | sney | ponihoax: as long as everything is secured properly then there's no problem with doing it that way. |
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| 03:52.41 | gnarface | wouldn't advise it |
| 03:53.10 | gnarface | the problem is "secured properly" can't be done with the built-in features of either |
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| 03:53.34 | gnarface | you need to put some sort of at least basic authentication in front of each |
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| 03:54.18 | gnarface | personally i would recommend a vpn and only trusted users, isolated from each other by at least having separate vps |
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| 03:56.37 | ponihoax | gnarface: alternative to a vpn? |
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| 03:57.17 | ponihoax | i only have authorisation for munin |
| 03:58.11 | sney | social engineering security could go a long way. to wit: the tools can be available, but give them funny urls that are not /phpmyadmin or /munin |
| 03:58.21 | gnarface | alternative to a vpn... enforcing SSL on all HTTP requests to munin and phpmyadmin i guess; most browsers have stock features that even allow ssl-based client authorization |
| 03:58.53 | gnarface | a vpn is just much easier and provides some extra features that are typically very convenient for developers |
| 03:58.55 | Gargantua | Is there anyway to make the mousewheel work with man pages in urxvt? |
| 03:59.22 | Gargantua | Some GNU less setting perhaps? |
| 03:59.57 | gnarface | an interesting prospect... |
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| 04:05.03 | ponihoax | thanks gnarface .. but currently they can be where they but just have SSL enforced? |
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| 04:05.57 | gnarface | ponihoax: well enforcing SSL is only part of the security |
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| 04:07.06 | gnarface | ponihoax: that would be what we call "minimum effort" |
| 04:07.51 | gnarface | ponihoax: if you make the client provide a cert as well you it makes it a lot harder for hackers to brute force |
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| 04:08.14 | gnarface | ponihoax: at that point you've just about implemented a vpn though |
| 04:08.20 | gnarface | ponihoax: only its not as useful |
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| 04:09.16 | ponihoax | gnarface: hmmm |
| 04:09.31 | ponihoax | something to think about |
| 04:09.41 | gnarface | ponihoax: you could do this all with static ssh tunnels using openssh too if you wanted something less permanent |
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| 04:10.03 | gnarface | ponihoax: but then your users have to be able to authenticate against sshd, which can be intrusive |
| 04:10.22 | ponihoax | gnarface: its only going to be me using munin / phpmyadmin |
| 04:11.15 | gnarface | ponihoax: a lot of this depends on your users and your intended user cases... 5$/month vps clients require a lot more babysitting than your typical staff of even entry-level php coders |
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| 04:12.11 | gnarface | ponihoax: also whether they're your employees or your customers makes a profound difference in the type of behavior and legal protection you can expect |
| 04:12.23 | djshotglass | rpi or apc for arm? |
| 04:13.10 | ponihoax | gnarface: its just a wordpress blog and a little portfolio running on the VPS |
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| 04:16.30 | gnarface | ponihoax: non-staff are typically much bigger security risks |
| 04:16.37 | gnarface | ponihoax: for you and for each other |
| 04:17.40 | gnarface | ponihoax: neither munin nor phpmyadmin are secured/tested for use as public-facing services |
| 04:18.19 | ponihoax | gnarface: so i guess VPN is the only way to do it if i don't want them picked up in Apache? |
| 04:18.38 | gnarface | no its just the easiest even though it doesn't sound like it |
| 04:18.58 | ponihoax | gnarface: could i use basic auth using .htacccess or restrict to my IP? |
| 04:19.09 | gnarface | restrict to whose ip? |
| 04:19.14 | gnarface | you'd have to restrict to THEIR ips |
| 04:19.22 | ponihoax | their? |
| 04:19.30 | gnarface | oh boy man |
| 04:19.33 | gnarface | look think about it this way |
| 04:19.37 | ponihoax | ok shoot |
| 04:20.04 | gnarface | how does your server know the user accessing it is legit? |
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| 04:20.33 | ponihoax | if they enter a proper p/w then they are legit hehe |
| 04:20.49 | gnarface | you want it to check more than just the user+password they connect with... you want to check what physical computer and internet connection they use to connect with |
| 04:21.23 | ponihoax | which comes back to me stating I should use restricted IP access to my IP at home |
| 04:21.45 | gnarface | oh well if your ip at home is the only one that will be connecting, yes that would help greatly |
| 04:22.01 | ponihoax | gnarface: it would restrict me greatly but it would be safer |
| 04:22.07 | gnarface | thats not what it sounded like you were saying at first |
| 04:22.21 | gnarface | but if you add ip address restriction and SSL enforcement that's ... most the battle |
| 04:22.34 | gnarface | assuming your home network is secure and your SSL keys are good |
| 04:22.39 | ponihoax | gotchya |
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| 04:23.01 | ponihoax | just to confirm.. is it still viable to have munin using /var/www/cache/munin ? |
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| 04:24.47 | gnarface | i don't think that is what it uses |
| 04:25.04 | gnarface | i thought it was /var/lib/cache/munin or /var/cache/munin |
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| 04:26.19 | ponihoax | ah you're right gnarface ;) |
| 04:26.35 | ponihoax | but i skipped making a virtualhost for it |
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| 04:33.40 | ponihoax | gnarface: is it better to have it as: a) munin.foo.com b) foo.com/munin or c) foo.com:4949 + ssl enforcement ? |
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| 04:35.45 | gnarface | if you're also restricting by ip it won't matter |
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| 04:37.06 | gnarface | relocating from standard ports WILL dodge most roving brute-force dumb bots but is a trivial hurdle for a targeted attacker and i think most web browsers refuse to use SSL on non-standard ports anyway |
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| 04:41.22 | JCDenton | Is "dotdeb" usually regarded as safe to use here? |
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| 04:42.57 | ponihoax | gnarface: but is there a way to set it so that for example, /munin won't work with foo.org but will work with foo.com.au ? |
| 04:43.03 | r3m | ,v get-flash-videos |
| 04:43.04 | judd | Package: get-flash-videos on i386 -- sid: 1.25~git2012.06.27-1; wheezy: 1.25~git2012.06.27-1 |
| 04:43.50 | gnarface | ponihoax: yes, but you're gonna have to read up on VirtualHosts in apache (assuming that's your webserver) |
| 04:44.54 | ponihoax | gnarface: oh so Apache can do that? nice! |
| 04:45.26 | ponihoax | can you point me in the right direction of what syntax to use? |
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| 04:46.49 | gnarface | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ |
| 04:46.56 | gnarface | ponihoax: ^^^ |
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| 04:47.37 | rue_house | I'm trying to set up sshared ssh keys so I dont have to log in between all my mcahines, but its not working, debug1: key_parse_private_pem: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed is there a config thing in debian causing this? |
| 04:47.50 | aidalgol | !ssd |
| 04:47.51 | dpkg | The "Drive" in Solid-state Drive (SSD) is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. See also <ssd limit>. |
| 04:47.59 | rue_house | I'v tried setup instructions from 5 different webpages, can anyone help me set this up? |
| 04:48.18 | aidalgol | What's the one for instructions on getting new packages? |
| 04:48.20 | gnarface | ponihoax: there is a "Virtual Hosts" link on that page, as well as an incredibly useful search feature and some other common subjects linked |
| 04:48.24 | aidalgol | I mean, newer than what's in stable. |
| 04:48.40 | nsadmin | aidalgol, man aptitude |
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| 04:48.49 | aidalgol | No, I mean the dpkg message. |
| 04:48.50 | ponihoax | gnarface: i was on the VirtualHosts section |
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| 04:49.14 | nsadmin | aidalgol, /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:49.27 | ponihoax | gnarface: so i would need to make a virtualhost for munin? |
| 04:49.44 | gnarface | ponihoax: i'm not going to write it for you and paste it to you unless you pay me |
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| 04:50.15 | ponihoax | gnarface: haha i'm not asking for you to write it but is that what I would do? |
| 04:51.15 | gnarface | ponihoax: the apache documentation you have in front of you is the best description. i recommend you read it until it makes sense. your existing default example files should have been installed to /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 04:52.08 | ponihoax | gnarface: yes that's right |
| 04:53.51 | gnarface | ponihoax: the debian convention is to symlink to the ones you want active in /etc/apache2/sites-available then restart it with the /etc/init.d script |
| 04:54.08 | gnarface | ponihoax: sorry, symlink in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 04:54.58 | gnarface | ponihoax: note that you DO need port 80 open to successfully provide the redirect to "enforce" SSL |
| 04:55.44 | ponihoax | gnarface: i know, i have done this. i just wanted to know if it was possible to have /munin not come up for every virtualhost |
| 04:56.26 | gnarface | ponihoax: what happens in the virtualhost stays in the virtualhost |
| 04:56.31 | gnarface | ponihoax: that's sort of the point |
| 04:56.35 | nsadmin | where is the original copy of /munin? |
| 04:56.51 | gnarface | its an alias to something in /usr/share/munin isn't it? |
| 04:57.20 | ponihoax | yep |
| 04:57.43 | gnarface | the package gives you an example virtualhost entry for iti think |
| 04:57.53 | ponihoax | http://www.howtoforge.com/server-monitoring-with-munin-and-monit-on-debian-squeeze |
| 04:57.56 | ponihoax | i followed this guide |
| 04:57.57 | nsadmin | I was thinking he has /munin in a place that bypasses the sites-available/-enabled mechanism |
| 04:58.28 | ponihoax | i do |
| 04:58.30 | ponihoax | in /etc/apache2/conf.d/munin |
| 04:59.00 | ponihoax | which is a symlink to /etc/munin/apache.conf |
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| 05:02.56 | ponihoax | nsadmin / gnarface : i think i should take this alias out and just go down the VirtualHost route |
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| 05:06.32 | nsadmin | ponihoax, would each vhost have its own DocumentRoot? |
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| 05:06.54 | ponihoax | nsadmin: i have three domains which have three DocumentRoots |
| 05:07.26 | nsadmin | ok, what happens if you symlink to munin from one of those (and then restart apache)? |
| 05:08.01 | ponihoax | nsadmin: i should remove the alias from /etc/apache2/conf.d/munin first? |
| 05:09.09 | nsadmin | maybe leave it for now, make the suggested symlink, test, remove the /etc/apache2/conf.d/munin symlink, restart, test again |
| 05:09.47 | nsadmin | and "test" means try from the browser each domain |
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| 05:10.11 | ponihoax | nsadmin: makes sense. i just want to know what the "correct" way is to have munin brought up. foo.com/munin seems weird |
| 05:10.15 | nsadmin | during "test" you may also wish to watch apache error log |
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| 05:12.45 | nsadmin | these are pretty generic things that apply no matter what server is in use... as for myself, I use aolserver and naviserv exclusively |
| 05:12.52 | nsadmin | and so that |
| 05:13.00 | nsadmin | is where my experience lies |
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| 05:20.48 | nsadmin | ponihoax, so how's that going? |
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| 05:21.26 | ponihoax | nsadmin: one second... at work |
| 05:21.41 | ponihoax | nsadmin: when I get a chance I'll have a shot |
| 05:21.54 | ponihoax | nsadmin: so for the the domain i want to access it from i'm doing a symlink? |
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| 05:24.00 | ponihoax | nsadmin: actually, instead of having it as a general alias and accessible with all VH, i will just have a private folder on one of my VH's (my private website) and have it accessible from there |
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| 05:30.47 | billkd | you all... s--u--c--k |
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| 05:31.09 | JCDenton | billkd, 0/10. |
| 05:31.13 | Gargantu1 | sl-u--c--k? |
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| 05:31.53 | Nach0z | lol Gargantu1 |
| 05:33.25 | nsadmin | slingshot a sucked slug today! |
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| 05:35.33 | Launch_Director | why when i try to boot debian i get "BOOTMGR is missing \n Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart" |
| 05:36.28 | nsadmin | Launch_Director, did you install a boot loader? to where? |
| 05:36.50 | Launch_Director | i have ubuntu installed |
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| 05:37.17 | Launch_Director | and i'm installing debian-netinst with USB |
| 05:37.29 | nsadmin | could you describe the steps inside of "when I try to boot debian"? |
| 05:37.43 | chovy | anyone know why whenver i login to my shell and start to type a filename, i get a new email message injected into the prompt? |
| 05:37.47 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: plug in USB, wait |
| 05:37.53 | chovy | it's annoying as hell. I don't even have email on my sysstem. |
| 05:38.01 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: that pops up |
| 05:38.07 | nsadmin | so you installed debian on the usb? |
| 05:38.26 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: a bootable usb with unetbooting |
| 05:38.39 | Launch_Director | unetbootin |
| 05:38.42 | nsadmin | did the installer boot? |
| 05:39.08 | nsadmin | there's still wayy too many possibilities... so, have to gather info first |
| 05:39.32 | Launch_Director | dunno if installed booted or not, i just got that error |
| 05:39.45 | Launch_Director | i think it's easier for me to just format the drive |
| 05:39.53 | Launch_Director | adio GRUB |
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| 05:40.16 | nsadmin | well do you want the ubuntu also? |
| 05:40.20 | Launch_Director | nope |
| 05:40.27 | Launch_Director | i'd format it anyway |
| 05:40.41 | nsadmin | and, do you want the /home of the ubuntu install? |
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| 05:41.28 | Launch_Director | not really, like i said,i format everything, just asking if that would allow me then to install debian |
| 05:41.29 | nsadmin | where is the ubuntu installed to? you just want to replace it? |
| 05:42.03 | nsadmin | nothing I've heard so far -prevents- you from installing debian |
| 05:42.24 | Launch_Director | well the BOOTMGR does |
| 05:42.35 | nsadmin | I just want to make sure you have stuff you may have stored there |
| 05:42.48 | nsadmin | that you want to keep |
| 05:43.10 | nsadmin | so... just making sure: is there -nothing- you want to keep? |
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| 05:43.24 | Launch_Director | yes |
| 05:43.34 | nsadmin | you could wipe the whole drive and still be intensely happy? |
| 05:44.13 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: the machine has a 12GB drive, yes very happy if i get more space |
| 05:44.41 | nsadmin | 12g? a smallish debian could easily fit there |
| 05:44.50 | Launch_Director | yep |
| 05:45.33 | nsadmin | ok, what kind of machine is this? laptop? desktop? remote? |
| 05:45.38 | Launch_Director | so Gparted -format it is then |
| 05:45.44 | Launch_Director | desktop |
| 05:45.58 | Launch_Director | old dell |
| 05:46.07 | nsadmin | and you would use this desktop for just whatever? |
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| 05:46.43 | nsadmin | is there a setting in the bios for device to boot? |
| 05:46.50 | nsadmin | or boot order maybe |
| 05:46.52 | Launch_Director | yes |
| 05:47.00 | Launch_Director | it boots from USB |
| 05:47.07 | Launch_Director | but i get that error |
| 05:47.23 | nsadmin | maybe that's generated from the usb drive? |
| 05:47.36 | Launch_Director | dunno |
| 05:47.47 | nsadmin | did you want to try putting the installer onto a cd blank? |
| 05:47.50 | Launch_Director | i'm new to linux, so i couldn't tell |
| 05:47.56 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 05:49.03 | nsadmin | what happens when you boot without the usb? (btw, are you talking here from the desktop?) |
| 05:49.23 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: if i boot witouth usb it boots into the installed ubuntu |
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| 05:49.39 | nsadmin | ok, that part sounds good... |
| 05:50.09 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: no i'm talking from a windows machine over ssh and the login server is again on debian :P |
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| 05:51.09 | nsadmin | are you ssh-ed into the desktop? |
| 05:51.22 | nsadmin | or, what are you sshed to? |
| 05:51.51 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: a shell, that doesn't matter i'm just on anotehr machine |
| 05:52.20 | nsadmin | well mainly the reason for these questions is to make sure you wouldn't lose your connection to this channel if you were to reboot the desktop |
| 05:52.32 | nsadmin | or remove its net connection |
| 05:52.58 | nsadmin | now, about the usb storage: |
| 05:53.03 | nsadmin | how large is it? |
| 05:53.05 | Launch_Director | it's 8gb |
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| 05:53.19 | nsadmin | ok, great... does it have other stuff youwant to keep? |
| 05:53.28 | Launch_Director | and has on it a 200mb netinst image |
| 05:53.49 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: and is completely empty other than that image |
| 05:54.28 | nsadmin | ok, so then: also, wiping the usb and putting all new stuff would not affect your mood? |
| 05:54.53 | Launch_Director | not really |
| 05:55.17 | nsadmin | ok great. could you quote the exact filename of the netinst image file? |
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| 05:55.42 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 05:56.43 | nsadmin | ok, great... boot the desktop into ubuntu, log in as root... is the debian netinst image on the ubuntu install? |
| 05:57.05 | Launch_Director | no it's on the windows |
| 05:57.25 | nsadmin | ohh, you also have windows on the desktop? |
| 05:57.41 | Launch_Director | :P |
| 05:57.55 | Launch_Director | i have another machine |
| 05:58.03 | Launch_Director | s/machine/destop/ |
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| 05:58.48 | nsadmin | ok, I think we're ready to install... and, let's name all these machines you got so we don't formt the wrong drive :) |
| 05:59.09 | nsadmin | could you give a name for the box that now has ubuntu? |
| 05:59.31 | Launch_Director | gouda |
| 05:59.36 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 05:59.45 | nsadmin | could you give a name for the box that has wondows |
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| 06:00.07 | Launch_Director | penguin |
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| 06:00.36 | nsadmin | ok, and if I have this right, you want the debian on gouda? |
| 06:00.42 | Launch_Director | yes |
| 06:01.12 | nsadmin | great... can you boot gouda into ubuntu and log in as root (if you havent' already) |
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| 06:02.14 | Launch_Director | one sec |
| 06:02.24 | nsadmin | is there already a copy of the netinst image on gouda? |
| 06:02.30 | Launch_Director | nope |
| 06:03.02 | nsadmin | ok, then copy it onto some convenient place on gouda's hd from the usb |
| 06:03.19 | nsadmin | after that, type "sync" |
| 06:03.35 | Launch_Director | where? |
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| 06:04.07 | nsadmin | type sync? into gouda's ubuntu shell after copying the image |
| 06:04.21 | Launch_Director | ok |
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| 06:05.32 | nsadmin | let me know when that's done |
| 06:06.10 | nsadmin | and let me know also if you want help with that |
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| 06:09.17 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: done |
| 06:10.50 | nsadmin | did you do that by mounting the usb? |
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| 06:11.34 | Launch_Director | ? do what? i coped the iso then typed sync |
| 06:11.39 | Launch_Director | copied |
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| 06:12.15 | Launch_Director | yeh the usb is mounted |
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| 06:12.33 | nsadmin | ok, could you umount it |
| 06:12.39 | Launch_Director | ok |
| 06:13.02 | Launch_Director | done |
| 06:13.29 | nsadmin | great, (later versions of the debian installer can be just written to an unformatted usb, we'll do that now) |
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| 06:14.19 | nsadmin | when you mount the usb, how do you mount it? is the usb "/dev/sdb"? |
| 06:14.36 | Launch_Director | it does that automatically |
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| 06:15.26 | nsadmin | ok, so I need to know the name of the /dev/ file that represents the usb when it's plugged in |
| 06:15.48 | nsadmin | see if there's chatter about it in dmesg | tail |
| 06:16.27 | Launch_Director | sdb:sdb1 |
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| 06:17.06 | nsadmin | great, then from the dir where the image file is, do this (this will overwrite partition table on sdb) |
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| 06:19.37 | nsadmin | dd if=debian-6.0.5-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 06:19.48 | boudiccas | this morning root recieved an email from a programme that i removed last night, and its as i suspected its runnign as a cron job somewhere, but i've looked through $user crontab and $root crontab and cant find it. can anyone help me discover it please? |
| 06:20.34 | nsadmin | boudiccas /etc/crontab? |
| 06:20.47 | boudiccas | nsadmin: thanks |
| 06:20.55 | nsadmin | was that it? |
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| 06:21.29 | nsadmin | Launch_Director, after that type sync again |
| 06:21.33 | nsadmin | then try booting |
| 06:22.51 | nsadmin | (note, the netinst is now written raw to the device; on the usb, there is no longer a partition, partition table or mountable filesystems) |
| 06:23.21 | Launch_Director | ok |
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| 06:24.02 | nsadmin | if the debian 6 netinstall can boot this way, you should be in the installer |
| 06:25.05 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: it booted :D |
| 06:25.19 | Launch_Director | i wonder why it didn't work with unetbootin |
| 06:26.11 | Launch_Director | nsadmin: thanks a lot for the patience |
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| 06:26.50 | boudiccas | nsadmin: thanks, it was in /etc/cron.d but in nautilus when you delete something it goes in the wastebasket, but where does it go when you're running nautilus as root please? it says that it cnat open the trash, so i'm puzzled as to where it goes and whether its just hangign around then? |
| 06:27.52 | nsadmin | Launch_Director, great :) I dunno why unetbootin didn't work, and I was unsure raw writing it to the usb would work... but now I am :) |
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| 06:29.48 | nsadmin | boudiccas, not sure on most of that |
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| 06:31.09 | boudiccas | nsadmin: just checked with thunar run as root, and the crud does go into the wastebasket of root, but it can then be easily deleted as root .......... if that makes sense? |
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| 06:32.37 | nsadmin | boudiccas, maybe nautilus needs some dotfiles for root? |
| 06:32.54 | nsadmin | maybe wastebasket doesn't exist for root? |
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| 06:33.44 | nsadmin | wait, did you say you were able to remove it? |
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| 06:43.33 | boudiccas | nsadmin: yes, by using thunar |
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| 06:44.21 | boudiccas | nautilus locks you out of roots wastebasket, but you can access it with thunar |
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| 06:48.27 | gueux | hi! I can't upgrade anymore due to a weird error "E: Internal Error, No file name for gcc-4.7-base": http://paste.debian.net/183606/ |
| 06:48.40 | gueux | do you know about this problem? |
| 06:49.49 | gueux | I also tried (without success) "apt-get install -f gcc-4.7-base": http://paste.debian.net/183607/ |
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| 06:50.41 | gueux | oh, wait, it seems to work after a "dpkg --configure -a" |
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| 07:00.18 | Launch_Director | what does "-k" from "man -k" do? |
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| 07:05.28 | eventide | Launch_Director: man man |
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| 07:05.43 | Launch_Director | :D |
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| 07:06.36 | Launch_Director | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.46 | Launch_Director | dunno what those mean, but anyway |
| 07:07.08 | eventide | I think that lets you search man pages using regular expressions |
| 07:07.23 | eventide | it returns any man pages where there was a match |
| 07:07.26 | Launch_Director | oh ok |
| 07:07.45 | Launch_Director | thanks |
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| 07:33.11 | judd | Package: gcc-4.7-base on i386 -- wheezy: 4.7.1-2; sid: 4.7.1-6 |
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| 08:34.43 | Super_ | now how to get into gnome? |
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| 08:58.05 | alitis22 | hi, i found out whats been preventing me from logging in gnome3 in wheezy. it happens when i tick the disable touchpad while typing option in system settings. weird |
| 09:00.02 | alitis22 | if i tick this i get the "Oh no. Something has gone wrong and the system was unable to recover. Please log out and try again" screen |
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| 09:09.42 | Bartzy | Hey |
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| 09:10.11 | Bartzy | after some writing to a ext4 filesystem, but then deleting everything in it (du -sh MOUNT_PATH shows 24KB) - I still see in df -h that 6.4GB are used |
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| 09:10.14 | Bartzy | How come? :| |
| 09:10.34 | lgp171188 | Hi, I am trying to configure a virtualhost with apache2 in debian squeeze. I have created a user account for the same and intend to have the document root at /home/<website-user>/public_html. I know that apache2 on debian runs as www-data user. So what sort of permissions set/configuration done should be done in this case so that apache2 can serve the site properly? |
| 09:10.48 | Iridos | Bartzy, some program probably still has the file open. The space is only freed after it stops accessing the file. |
| 09:11.45 | Bartzy | Iridos: lsof | grep MOUNT_PATH shows nothing |
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| 09:12.26 | Bartzy | Iridos: Is it possible that it's a kernel thread ? |
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| 09:13.25 | Iridos | I dunno if lsof can see deleted but opened files |
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| 09:14.17 | Iridos | it's something easily tried out, though |
| 09:14.22 | SomeoneWeird | I have a feeling my sata -> usb adapter is broken, im getting http://pastie.org/4492678 - can anyone help? |
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| 09:14.57 | ChrisH | lgp171188: www-data must be able to read the files... so chmod 640 should be ok for the files, if a the group i sK. otherwise 644 |
| 09:15.03 | Bartzy | Iridos: So how do I "catch" the process(es) that is keeping that file open ? |
| 09:15.10 | Xtreme | guys, which was the command you told me to reconfigure gdm? |
| 09:16.17 | Xtreme | dpkg --reconfigure gdm rihgt? |
| 09:16.18 | dpkg | Xtreme: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:16.19 | ChrisH | SomeoneWeird: I have similar messages from USB devices connected to "crashed" powered USB Hub. After disconnectiong Power AND uplink cable all is fine again. |
| 09:16.24 | Xtreme | i am Super, |
| 09:16.50 | lgp171188 | ChrisH: Ok, I will keep the files readable to www-data, but if I am hosting wordpress on that virtualhost and want to allow automatic updating, www-data needs write access as well right? |
| 09:17.11 | SomeoneWeird | ChrisH, yeah, most of the time that works for me too, but doesn't look like thats the case here |
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| 09:17.50 | ChrisH | lgp171188: sure. then you might want to read chmod and set-gid for directories. |
| 09:18.06 | oznt | hi everyone, i wonder why all my commits show always in the same branch ... how do i get a git log like here? http://gitready.com/intermediate/2009/01/26/text-based-graph.html? |
| 09:18.24 | ChrisH | lgp171188: read man chmod was what I wanted to wrtie. |
| 09:19.22 | lgp171188 | ChrisH: Let me go through the manpages. Is it a good idea to set the group of the docroot to www-data and give it write access? |
| 09:19.34 | Iridos | Bartzy, actually my lsof does see those open files and appends (deleted) to them. Did you run lsof as root? User-run lsof might not see processes owned by others |
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| 09:20.26 | super_ | okay, now back as super |
| 09:20.38 | super_ | can someone please copy paste the dkpg command? |
| 09:21.17 | super_ | anyone? |
| 09:22.06 | jpw | super: dpkg-reconfiguure gdm |
| 09:22.20 | joar | hey guys, I can't find my sound card, where do I start? |
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| 09:22.45 | joar | it might be that I'm just missing the package since I went through some sound-related issues yesterday |
| 09:22.55 | joar | sound-related package issues. |
| 09:23.12 | jpw | joar: lspci and look for devices that may be the sound card. Then find the relivant firmwares. |
| 09:23.33 | joar | it ended up with me letting aptitude resolve the conflict, and that may have removed my audio drivers or PulseAudio's ability to recognise it. |
| 09:23.46 | ChrisH | lgp171188: there are only 2 options I see. have www-data as owner or the user. And have it group writeable the other way round.... or add user to the www-data group. But that depends on your special situation and cannot be answered in general. |
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| 09:28.40 | \n | o_O |
| 09:28.49 | \n | What the?! Someone explain this! |
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| 09:28.55 | Xtreme | guys, if i startx in xfce, how to exit it? |
| 09:29.07 | \n | [pts/26:~]nyuszika7h@cadoth> aptitude changelog dtach |
| 09:29.15 | \n | -9223372036854775808% [Changelog of dtach] |
| 09:29.35 | ansgar | a |
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| 09:30.25 | \n | Xtreme, you started X while it was already running? I think it gives an "X server already started" error, no? |
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| 09:30.54 | Xtreme | \n: nope,, coz i am running startxfce |
| 09:31.15 | \n | Oh, sorry no idea |
| 09:31.15 | Xtreme | so i can log into startx (gnome session), but dont knwo how to get out of it |
| 09:31.22 | Bartzy | Iridos: I did.. |
| 09:31.41 | jpw | Xtreme: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 09:31.48 | \n | pkill -9 gnome-session / pkill -9 gnome-desktop ? |
| 09:32.04 | jpw | Xtreme: or `service gdm stop` |
| 09:32.06 | Xtreme | jpw: thanks, and how to change the session list in login box? |
| 09:32.28 | Xtreme | i will explain my exact issue.. |
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| 09:32.42 | Xtreme | i cant log into gnome, when i log in from the log in box. |
| 09:32.42 | jpw | Xtreme: Don't know. I dont use X so I only know how to exit it. |
| 09:32.57 | Xtreme | but when i log into xfce, i can start gnome |
| 09:33.05 | Iridos | Bartzy, then it's probably not that... |
| 09:33.17 | Xtreme | a friend here, aparently who has logged out i guess, told me a way to configure the sessions |
| 09:33.31 | Xtreme | but i was loged in from my other account, so no history here. |
| 09:33.37 | Xtreme | and not on that account too |
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| 09:34.53 | Iridos | Bartzy, are you sure that that space was free before you created the files? |
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| 09:36.35 | Xtreme | if someone be kind enough to search for the msg and paste it here, then i will be thankfull |
| 09:36.46 | Xtreme | he had send it as Super: |
| 09:36.47 | Bartzy | Iridos: I now tried to do mkfs.ext4 -m 0 /path/to/device |
| 09:36.52 | Bartzy | Iridos: And I Still see 6.4GB used. |
| 09:37.10 | Iridos | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 09:37.53 | Iridos | I dunno how the 5% reserved space show up... and there's also space reserved for inodes iirc |
| 09:37.54 | Bartzy | btw, doing -m 0 to a non-system FS (DB files) - is that OK ? |
| 09:38.06 | Bartzy | Iridos: http://askubuntu.com/questions/131516/new-ext4-partition-and-used-space |
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| 09:38.31 | Xtreme | anyone? |
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| 09:42.23 | Xtreme | can anyone atleast tell me how to reset the login box? |
| 09:42.38 | joar | jpw: it's an intel sound card, can't find any intel-specific audio drivers. |
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| 09:44.59 | jpw | joar: just do me a favour and type `alsamixer` and confirm the sound isnt muted / low. |
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| 09:49.02 | UltraMC | I have 4,4GB Debian *.ISO, manual says to do FAT16 installation partition on USB, but this filesystem accepts only 4GB files. Which filesystem (in cfdisk (util-linux-ng 2.17.2)) should I pick for this 4,4GB file? |
| 09:51.11 | SiDz | ext3 ntfs fat ext4 |
| 09:51.16 | SiDz | - fat |
| 09:51.23 | UltraMC | SiDz it has to be bootable |
| 09:51.28 | jpw | - ntfs :) |
| 09:52.09 | ChrisH | UltraMC: my first idea was... simply dd the ISO onto the USB Stick and boot from it... but unproved and untested; just an idea |
| 09:52.11 | UltraMC | jpw: 07 HPFS/NTFS - this one? |
| 09:52.29 | UltraMC | ChrisH, naa, I have to have it partitioned |
| 09:53.01 | ChrisH | UltraMC: why? |
| 09:53.17 | jpw | UltraMC: The iso you have is supposed to be used for a DVD. It is a disk image is supposed to be written to a disk as raw because it contains a file system already. |
| 09:53.24 | UltraMC | ChrisH, bootable installator AND usable in Windows partition in the same time |
| 09:54.04 | UltraMC | jpw nope. Did the same previously with CD ISO and was fine, why DVD is different lol |
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| 09:55.21 | ChrisH | UltraMC: I do not expect that to work anyhow in both ways. |
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| 09:55.41 | UltraMC | ChrisH, so you fail, it does |
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| 09:56.03 | UltraMC | (chatting with you on installation did in this fashion right now) |
| 09:56.25 | jpw | what? booting from an ISO? |
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| 09:57.12 | UltraMC | jpw booting installation from USB |
| 09:57.17 | UltraMC | as ISO |
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| 09:57.54 | jpw | what bootloader are you using? |
| 09:58.47 | UltraMC | jpw http://paste.debian.net/183624/ |
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| 09:59.24 | oskie | where are you supposed to place your server certificates and keys in Debian? |
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| 09:59.45 | SiDz | http://www.zeitoun.net/articles/debian-squeeze-usb/start |
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| 09:59.55 | SiDz | try that UltraMC |
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| 10:00.43 | jpw | oskie: apache i use /etc/apache2/ssl.[crt|key|csr] personally |
| 10:01.03 | oskie | jpw: me too, but it seems recommended to use /etc/ssl/{certs,private} now for unknown reasons |
| 10:02.21 | SiDz | or that UltraMC http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/02/11/installing-linux-on-usb-part-6-create-a-dos-and-linux-bootable-usb-flash-drive/ |
| 10:02.39 | jpw | oskie: well it's a bit more central which is nice. |
| 10:02.57 | ChrisH | UltraMC: I you did mkdosfs which is expected to create a FAT32 and the debian.iso is > 4GB so it should be incomplete. Did you verify (eg. cksum) the debian.iso is OK on the Stick? |
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| 10:03.39 | UltraMC | ChrisH, I dont know what cksum is, downlaod file was 4,4 and I downlaoded it |
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| 10:04.05 | jpw | oskie: comes down to administrators preference in the end. Which usually translates to 'show me a reason/benefit to change and I will' |
| 10:04.38 | ChrisH | UltraMC: cksum debian.iso /media/mount/debian.iso to compare the files. As you mentioned before, FAT32 cannot cope with File > 4gb correct |
| 10:05.20 | UltraMC | gtg |
| 10:05.23 | UltraMC | cya |
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| 10:12.09 | Launch_Director | how to unroot a folder, in nautilus it has a Lock over it and it says i'm not the owner |
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| 10:16.04 | KsM | Launch_Director: chown? |
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| 10:16.20 | extrasolar | I am having trouble cooling my laptop down |
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| 10:16.23 | asdefjak | Launch_Director: open a terminal and enter cd <path to parent of the folder that you don't have permission to> |
| 10:16.24 | extrasolar | when using debian |
| 10:16.32 | Guest68928 | test |
| 10:16.39 | Launch_Director | asdefjak: ok and then? |
| 10:16.41 | extrasolar | even if I just run pidgin and chrome, the laptop gets ove hot |
| 10:17.03 | asdefjak | Launch_Director: Then, type su and enter your root password. Type chown <folder> <your user name> to make yourself the owner again. |
| 10:17.06 | KsM | extrasolar: you can try scaling your CPU down, but it should be doing that by itself |
| 10:17.21 | Launch_Director | asdefjak: Thanks :) |
| 10:17.27 | extrasolar | hmmm |
| 10:17.29 | asdefjak | Launch_Director: you're welcome |
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| 10:18.35 | extrasolar | how about install the lxdc environment |
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| 10:21.00 | asdefjak | extrasolar: apt-get install lxde or apt-get install lxde-core |
| 10:21.13 | extrasolar | but would it be worth it |
| 10:21.16 | extrasolar | ? |
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| 10:21.27 | extrasolar | OR would it do very little difference |
| 10:22.18 | asdefjak | extrasolar: it depends on what you are running now |
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| 10:22.29 | extrasolar | gnome 2.x |
| 10:23.38 | mjt | the same exists for gnome -- gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment (iirc) |
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| 10:23.59 | asdefjak | extrasolar: first check if your CPU scaling works properly. Install powertop and check the Frequency stats tab. |
| 10:24.06 | extrasolar | right |
| 10:24.20 | asdefjak | mjt: those two and gnome |
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| 10:25.43 | extrasolar | running powertop now |
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| 10:26.11 | extrasolar | lol what am I looking at......... |
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| 10:27.14 | gnarface | *sigh* |
| 10:27.16 | gnarface | testing 123 |
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| 10:27.44 | gnarface | can't tell if NickServ is brain-dead or if someone is making a concerted effort to hijack his name every time he goes offline |
| 10:28.11 | gnarface | anyone seen any gnarface imposters? |
| 10:28.30 | babilen | gnarface: I didn't, but lets take it to either #debian-offtopic of #freenode :) |
| 10:28.39 | babilen | s/of/or/ |
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| 10:30.41 | asdefjak | extrasolar: that's how much time your CPU spends at each frequency. If it's always or almost always at the highest frequency, that's probably the cause of oyur overheating |
| 10:30.58 | gnarface | on topic: any tips for getting a p4sp-mx motherboard booting a live image via usb? it has a bios option for it but it just hangs indefinitely when i try |
| 10:31.13 | extrasolar | it's at 0.7 |
| 10:31.14 | extrasolar | % |
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| 10:32.12 | asdefjak | extrasolar: just copy the window contents and paste them to http://nopaste.info/ please, then post the link they give you |
| 10:32.28 | boudiccas | gnarface: upgrade the bios? |
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| 10:33.42 | extrasolar | alright I am in lxdc |
| 10:33.59 | gnarface | boudiccas: tempted but the problems is the only newer bios listed on their site (released more than 2 years later than the previous version) is unambiguously labeled "P4SP-MX Latest Beta BIOS" |
| 10:34.08 | gnarface | boudiccas: it doesn't appear to have ever left beta status after that |
| 10:34.16 | gnarface | boudiccas: 2007.11.26 |
| 10:34.23 | gnarface | boudiccas: can't find a change log entry for it to save my life |
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| 10:34.42 | boudiccas | 4.5 years to be beta! sheesh! |
| 10:34.51 | gnarface | i'm tempted to try it anyway |
| 10:35.11 | gnarface | maybe they'll have beta fixes for usb booting |
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| 10:38.26 | extrasolar | asdefjak C3 mwait 1.8ms (65.5%) 1199 Mhz 77.3% |
| 10:38.32 | extrasolar | that high? |
| 10:38.46 | gnarface | heh |
| 10:39.15 | gnarface | boudiccas: get this, it works if i write a windows98se boot image to a usb key and use that. the gnome live image however ... negative |
| 10:40.13 | boudiccas | email them and ask for a changelog |
| 10:40.35 | gnarface | interesting notion |
| 10:40.36 | gnarface | ASUS |
| 10:40.38 | gnarface | think they'd respond? |
| 10:40.50 | gnarface | oh... i wonder if it could matter which usb port i used |
| 10:41.03 | gnarface | or whether the usb key itself supports usb 2.0 or not |
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| 10:42.43 | asdefjak | extrasolar: Without the context of the rest of the data, I have no idea |
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| 10:43.26 | extrasolar | I'll pastebin |
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| 10:44.00 | extrasolar | http://pastebin.com/UvYJXUNq |
| 10:44.10 | babilen | !pastebin.com |
| 10:44.10 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 10:48.47 | asdefjak | extrasolar: yes, that's too high. There's probably a program that uses a lot of CPU time. Run top to check which one it is |
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| 10:49.54 | extrasolar | back |
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| 10:50.29 | asdefjak | extrasolar: yes, that's too high. There's probably a program that uses a lot of CPU time. Run top to check which one it is |
| 10:50.37 | extrasolar | riht |
| 10:51.59 | extrasolar | 75% youtube |
| 10:52.01 | extrasolar | :/ |
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| 10:57.21 | gnarface | doh! wrong arch |
| 10:57.23 | gnarface | is dumb |
| 10:59.09 | asdefjak | extrasolar: do you use an ATI graphics card with the fglrx driver by chance? Flash's hardware decoding doesn't work with it |
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| 11:03.47 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats the app name for nm-applet in repo?? |
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| 11:04.31 | winsen | Hi all |
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| 11:06.26 | ratatata | nu |
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| 11:08.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | nm |
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| 11:12.13 | winsen | Hi all |
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| 11:12.23 | winsen | I'd like to buy laptop for professional use (student in IT networking), what can you please suggest to me ? thanks |
| 11:12.34 | winsen | minimum required is the following : Graphical discrete card 500MB/1GB, Memory cash: 4MO, RAMstick 4GB, HD=500GB |
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| 11:26.22 | jpw | winsen: Debian will be supported on most mainstream laptop vendors. |
| 11:27.57 | jpw | When im doing moving around with a computer I personally prefer the asus eeepc as they are cheap, lightweight, have network ports and you can operate them with one hand while the other holds it. |
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| 11:28.31 | jpw | *NB they may not have network ports any more |
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| 11:52.37 | searching | hello there |
| 11:52.47 | searching | someone offered me a platform web chat =) |
| 11:53.43 | grobda24 | Hi. I built a patched kernel the debian way but installation of the package (created by test-patches) complains of missing firmware |
| 11:54.02 | grobda24 | How do I install the firmware ? |
| 11:55.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | why does chrome install to opt from their webpage why why why who installs to /opt ?!?!?! |
| 11:55.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | now it installs |
| 11:55.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | !%##$# |
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| 11:56.05 | searching | heyy heyy |
| 11:56.08 | searching | please help me |
| 11:56.17 | searching | web chat platforms ?? |
| 11:56.19 | jpw | I think /opt is a good place to install unofficial packages |
| 11:56.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | no... |
| 11:56.38 | Eryn_1983_FL | it should go in /usr/sbin |
| 11:56.41 | Eryn_1983_FL | and /etc |
| 11:57.20 | jpw | sbin? |
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| 11:57.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 11:57.39 | Eryn_1983_FL | where i got space |
| 11:57.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | so redoing it,... |
| 11:58.00 | grobda24 | Oh, that's odd. Looks like I never had the firmware for my realtek network adapter installed, so don't how I've been browsing the net up till now :/ |
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| 11:58.50 | Eryn_1983_FL | trying to change it well seee |
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| 11:59.04 | jpw | You know sbin aka 'super bin' is meant for applications with elevated privileges. |
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| 12:00.37 | Eryn_1983_FL | !@#$%$@# |
| 12:01.26 | themill | !/opt |
| 12:01.27 | dpkg | /opt is, like, for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software. See <usrlocal>, <FHS> |
| 12:01.31 | themill | (fair summary) |
| 12:02.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | how do i make it go to another dir with dpkg its making me mad |
| 12:03.17 | jpw | dpkg --unpack, move to where you want it, symlink the binaries in to your $PATH |
| 12:03.18 | dpkg | jpw: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 12:03.33 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok thats what i dont want to do ... |
| 12:04.07 | socketErr_ | when will wheezy be stable? |
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| 12:05.49 | Eryn_1983_FL | when its reeady not before or after |
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| 12:09.16 | gnarface | !wwwr |
| 12:09.17 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
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| 12:11.00 | themill | Eryn_1983_FL: just unpacking somewhere doesn't actually install the package. Why are you trying to do that btw? |
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| 12:18.11 | ChrisH | themill: Bots answer to /opt is OK for Linux. On UNIX[TM] systems like Solaris, HPUX and others /opt is the place for optional SW installed as packages most times from 3rd party sources. /usr/local is used for self-compiled stuff and unusual on these systems. |
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| 12:19.47 | themill | ChrisH: yes. And 3rd party packages installing to /opt is probably more sensible than installing to /usr/local. You can argue between / and /opt for 3rd party packages, but things like openoffice or chrome that are not destined for debian anyway are better off isolated from unnecessary conflicts with the rest of the system |
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| 12:20.13 | gerben | hmm, I always use /opt for stuff that I didn't install using a package manager ( from source by example ), to make sure I don't leavy any garbage on the system when I install a new release or something |
| 12:20.36 | gnarface | i think its *supposed* to be the other way around, if anything |
| 12:21.10 | gnarface | but the convention is that /opt has generally been for vendor-provided stuff (the google talk plugin from google will go in there if you use their debian repo) |
| 12:21.36 | gnarface | and /usr/local should be for your own locally compiled stuff (preferrably packaged) |
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| 12:22.52 | gnarface | http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES |
| 12:23.50 | gerben | we build some software for customers too, and that installs in /opt/<package> |
| 12:23.57 | gerben | so that is correct then |
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| 12:25.01 | ChrisH | gnarface: that matches my understanding for /opt |
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| 12:26.46 | gerben | The /srv/www vs /var/www is another path thing I never understood on (among others) Debian |
| 12:27.16 | gerben | According to the docs Gnarface linked, www stuff should be under /srv, but on Debian, it defaults to /var/www |
| 12:27.43 | dawud | I'm trying PXE/preseed, I have already RTFM, but I can't get the client to load the preseed.cfg file, does anybody have ten minutes to hlep me though? |
| 12:28.14 | dawud | help* |
| 12:28.33 | gnarface | interesting, debian violates its own fhs |
| 12:28.38 | gnarface | i wonder which is wrong |
| 12:28.40 | gerben | dawud, not 10 minutes, but maybe in a few seconds I can help you. I have more experience using other distro's and PXE though |
| 12:28.47 | dawud | gerben: nice |
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| 12:29.22 | gerben | Does the debian-installer load? |
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| 12:29.44 | dawud | gerben: yes, I already have a working isc-dhcp server and a tftp server, the part I can't seem to get properly done is the preseed.cfg loading |
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| 12:30.40 | gerben | In another TTY, I think 4 (press Alt-F4) you can get some debug stuff if I remember well |
| 12:30.43 | themill | gnarface: debian follows the FHS except for a couple of carefully defined exceptions (defined in policy) |
| 12:30.45 | gerben | does that contain something usefull? |
| 12:31.21 | gnarface | themill: you got a link to said policy? |
| 12:31.45 | themill | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html |
| 12:31.48 | dawud | gerben: nope. this is what I'm using: http://paste.debian.net/183642 |
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| 12:32.11 | gnarface | themill: thanks |
| 12:32.12 | dawud | gerben: the IP is obviously changed |
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| 12:33.36 | gnarface | themill: i don't see anything in there about srv or /var/www... ? |
| 12:33.40 | gerben | dawud, do you see a hit in the webservers access logs? |
| 12:33.51 | gerben | gnarface, themill, me neither... |
| 12:33.56 | dawud | gerben: that paste is contained in txt.cfg, which is called from syslinux.cfg, which in turns contain: include debian-installer/amd64/boot-screens/txt.cfg \ prompt 1 \ timeout 1 (formated here) |
| 12:34.08 | dawud | gerben: that's the point: no |
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| 12:34.41 | dawud | gerben: and there are no restrictions wrt to reachability of that file |
| 12:34.42 | gnarface | i strangely have a bunch of stuff in /srv/cvs/CVSROOT but i have no idea where it came from and this is the first time i've noticed /srv |
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| 12:35.05 | gerben | dawud, the line 6/7 thing. The stuff on line 7 should be on the same line as the "append" stuff, they are kernel parameters |
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| 12:35.12 | themill | gnarface: what's your actual question about /var/www though? |
| 12:35.38 | gerben | themill, according to the FHS it should be on /srv/www |
| 12:36.04 | dawud | gerben: let me try |
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| 12:36.43 | ChrisH | dawud,gerben End of line 5 has a -- does'nt that mean no more options behind here? |
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| 12:36.51 | gerben | dawud, I am not sure about the meaning of the "--" on the line before, ... |
| 12:36.53 | gerben | exactly |
| 12:36.57 | themill | gerben: nothing in debian is actually using /var/www -- the local admin should configure their web server to use /srv/$(whatever). (and the FHS does not say it should be /srv/www only that packaging system shouldn't touch /srv) |
| 12:36.59 | gerben | what ChrisH says |
| 12:38.04 | gnarface | themill: that's not true; apache2 at the very least and i think also lighttpd puts their default docroots in /var/www |
| 12:38.09 | dawud | A “--” in the boot options has special meaning. Kernel parameters that appear after the last “--” may be copied into the bootloader configuration for the installed system (if supported by the installer for the bootloader). The installer will automatically filter out any options (like preconfiguration options) that it recognizes |
| 12:38.18 | dawud | from http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs02.html#preseed-bootparms |
| 12:39.09 | gnarface | themill: also it doesn't say the package system shouldn't touch it, it only says "Distributions must take care not to remove locally placed files in these directories without administrator permission." |
| 12:39.10 | themill | gnarface: not quite. Debian ships nothing in /var/www except for dspam stuff which has a bug against it for doing so. (you can check with apt-file). Configuring it to be /var/www is as sane a default as configuring it to be /srv/nosuchdir which would be the other choice |
| 12:39.14 | dawud | gerben: it working now. I'll see if it finish correctly. It was the wrong line break. Thanks a bunch. Sometimes it takes another couple of eyes. |
| 12:39.19 | dawud | it's* |
| 12:39.37 | gerben | nice :) |
| 12:39.54 | dawud | gerben: ty |
| 12:40.05 | themill | gnarface: not being able to rely on anything in /srv even existing is a bit of a dead-end for the packaging system. |
| 12:40.45 | gnarface | themill: i'm pretty sure apache puts a default docroot test file in /var/www... |
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| 12:41.33 | gnarface | themill: /var/www/apache2-default/index.html ... no? this isn't part of squeeze? |
| 12:41.47 | jpw | gnarface: it does - for the default site that could be considered a system file |
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| 12:42.38 | gerben | themill, Debian as a distro should configure a "reasonable default", I assume everone agrees on that. When I read the FHS docs that "reasonable default" should probably be /srv/www I think, as it should be used for static/writable data and "CGI-scripts". I think most webservers contain perl/php/python/ruby scripts nowadays. |
| 12:43.08 | themill | gerben: the FHS says no such thing about /srv/www being a reasonable default |
| 12:43.14 | gnarface | boudiccas: damn. no, no luck even with the i386 live image |
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| 12:43.39 | gerben | it suggests the use of /srv/<service name>, for example /srv/www , /srv//somethingelese |
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| 12:43.53 | gerben | it contains the /srv/www example |
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| 12:44.17 | themill | gerben: it also contains /srv/physics/www and /srv/compsci/cvs and explicitly notes that it's up to the local admin to decide |
| 12:44.22 | gnarface | so i have this system that boots via usb if the usb image is a floppy boot disk image, but the iso-hybrid images just hang before so much as a "BOOT DISK FAILURE" error |
| 12:44.32 | gnarface | anyone got any fixes? |
| 12:44.38 | gnarface | bios tricks maybe? |
| 12:45.14 | themill | gerben: please feel free to cluebat the FHS into being less vague about such things... and to come up with a migration strategy for apache and friends that won't lose people's data ;) (the FHS has many flaws and vagueness like this is one of them) |
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| 12:46.27 | themill | gerben: fwiw, /srv/$vhost/$service seems to be more popular these days than /srv/$service/$vhost. (even if I've got all mine set up following the latter and wish greatly now that they were the former) |
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| 12:48.20 | gerben | I use /var/www/vhosts/<vhost>/html . I took that convention over from a Plesk server I used to admin I think. |
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| 13:21.19 | SwedishPerson | hi, can someone help me with something |
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| 13:22.47 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: 1+2 is 3...help enough? :) |
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| 13:23.28 | sioux_ | Hi i have two gateways in my lan with two different ISP (http://pastebin.com/nkU1gBdk). If i use hearbeat can i do H.A. to those gateways? |
| 13:23.40 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH sorry I swedish i dont speak very good english but can you help me with my network problem |
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| 13:24.22 | joar | SwedishPerson: I'm swedish. |
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| 13:24.34 | SwedishPerson | cool |
| 13:24.46 | themill | There's also #debian.se if you want |
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| 13:25.04 | SwedishPerson | themill: it's fine |
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| 13:25.33 | SwedishPerson | There this game i like to play but i keep getting random ping spikes for example my ping is about 50 then suddenly go up 200 for about 2 seconds anyone know what wrong? this only happen in linux |
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| 13:25.42 | joar | SwedishPerson: /j #debian.se |
| 13:25.57 | SwedishPerson | joar: no it's fine there more people here |
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| 13:26.04 | SwedishPerson | my english should be good enough |
| 13:26.05 | joar | all right :) |
| 13:26.11 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: WLAN or LAN used? I assume WLAN |
| 13:26.13 | joar | yes, I can understand you at least :) |
| 13:26.18 | SwedishPerson | yes WLAN |
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| 13:26.36 | SwedishPerson | joar: thank you :) im only 12 and find it quite hard |
| 13:26.39 | ChrisH | I had similar things with WLAN and energy saving |
| 13:26.42 | SwedishPerson | but i need to learn somehow |
| 13:27.04 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: i have to use WLAN though |
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| 13:27.15 | SwedishPerson | anything that can be done? |
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| 13:28.07 | nyuszika7h | !candidate |
| 13:28.10 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: yes, but I forogt what to do. Actionplan would be. 1. find out which WLAN Card it is -> lspci will assit you. 2. ask google for this WLAN Card energy saving and linux |
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| 13:29.02 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: WLAN card energy saving? is it some kind of software or driver? ... |
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| 13:29.22 | nyuszika7h | Hi, I'm trying to install a package but it says no installation candidate. http://sprunge.us/ORZA |
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| 13:29.43 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: yes. Its a SW or driver setting. |
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| 13:30.44 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: google suggeted as root: iwconfig ethX power off <-- giv that a try |
| 13:31.01 | SwedishPerson | Ok i try that |
| 13:31.52 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: It says "operation not permitted" |
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| 13:32.33 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: tested as root? |
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| 13:33.20 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: I'm sorry but how do I do it as root? I'm new to linux, is it sudo or su? |
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| 13:33.54 | john_barleycorn | su is default |
| 13:34.06 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: sudo or su - ... the result is the same.... and you need to replace ethX with the real name of your interface. ifconfig -a might help to find out |
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| 13:34.52 | extrasolar | What's the best way to learn linux? |
| 13:35.02 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: I have no idea what it all means.. :) |
| 13:35.03 | extrasolar | things like bash, sys admin stuff, developer stuff |
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| 13:35.08 | ChrisH | extrasolar: doing it :) |
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| 13:35.29 | ChrisH | tell SwedishPerson about pastebin |
| 13:35.39 | SwedishPerson | ok.. |
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| 13:36.15 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: can you pastebin ifconfig -a output and lspci please? |
| 13:36.17 | sinisterstuf | extrasolar, if you use it long enough you'll undoubtedly learn it. you can speed up the learning process a bit by borrowing a book on it from the library, preferably with practical stuff for you to try out, the one I read was "Introducing UNIX and Linux"; quite old but still very useful |
| 13:36.19 | SwedishPerson | yes |
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| 13:37.09 | extrasolar | `xsinisterstuf interesting do you know of a free online book which does the same the library here is very limited and so is my income |
| 13:37.10 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: as you can see this is the command and output -> http://pastebin.com/w5Z4GDVk |
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| 13:37.59 | john_barleycorn | There's a list of free online bash resources here extrasolar : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandLineResources |
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| 13:39.09 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: try: sudo iwconfig wlan0 power off |
| 13:39.13 | extrasolar | oh cheers |
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| 13:39.44 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: It worked |
| 13:39.58 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: But what did it do? Enable power saving? |
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| 13:41.30 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: no test you ping stuff and if the peaks are no longer visible it needs to be done reboot save. (Step 2). No it disabled power saving completely. Powersaving can cause such peaks in ping round trp time. for normal work it does not harm, but for these shooter games it might be unwanted. |
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| 13:41.56 | sinisterstuf | extrasolar, maybe try http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ or just look around there, seems good |
| 13:42.19 | extrasolar | cheers |
| 13:42.26 | mallxs | I'm running a e2fsck -ccy on a 380Gb partition .. after 48 hrs it has don 13% is this normal ? ... (messages only show some read errors) |
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| 13:43.51 | sinisterstuf | but you should be able to ask your library to get a book you're interested in, the library should also be free, I think it's worth trying extrasolar |
| 13:44.02 | ChrisH | mallxs: what does -cc ? Something differnt then -c run badblocks? 48h seems to be too long. Are you in multi user mode? |
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| 13:44.40 | extrasolar | hmmmmmm I'll try but they are useless |
| 13:45.06 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: btw, for my router I need a master socket where I plug one end of a gray cable (unsure of it's name) into it, and one into my router. I would like to have my router in my room so I can use ethernet without having an extremely long LAN cable, is there a way this is possible? Again, this grey cable is needed to be able to connect to the internet and so is a master socket. |
| 13:45.53 | ChrisH | extrasolar: Try to find out if there is a local Linux user Group which meets from time-to-time. At least here in Germany we have many of them and thats a starting point to get local language support. |
| 13:45.58 | SwedishPerson | Is there an external one that can be plugged into a standard wall socket, like an adaptor? |
| 13:46.15 | extrasolar | Yeah I was thinking of going to one but I am a bit nervous meeting them |
| 13:46.28 | extrasolar | what if I go and i don't have a clue what they're on about haha |
| 13:46.53 | ChrisH | extrasolar: then ask them and mention you are a beginnger and interested. |
| 13:47.01 | extrasolar | sure |
| 13:47.27 | ChrisH | extrasolar: if they react strange, give them another try and otherwise leave them alone :) |
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| 13:48.38 | nicvol | Hi all. Got a quick noob question regarding the preseed procedure: |
| 13:48.39 | ChrisH | SwedishPerson: There are LAN-WLAN-WLAN-LAN Bridges. Where in sweden are you located? Are there locel Linux User Groups to ask? Its easier to asnwer such a question when have a look at the plasce. |
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| 13:49.11 | extrasolar | although I have to admit I like listening to developers and listening to what they have made |
| 13:49.18 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: Local Linux groups? They exist? |
| 13:49.23 | SwedishPerson | Never heard of it. |
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| 13:49.27 | SwedishPerson | I wonder if there are here. |
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| 13:49.42 | nicvol | when I create the file, should every statement be placed in a particular order or is the installer intelligent enough to order them on its own? |
| 13:50.12 | mallxs | ChrisH: -cc does a read/write test |
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| 13:50.23 | mallxs | -c does only a read test |
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| 13:51.28 | paolob | Hi guys! I'm having disk errors on my server (it's in a farm), see http://pastebin.com/MqFNYcPL ; are the errors serious? should I ask for a disk change? |
| 13:51.29 | ChrisH | mallxs: aehm... and you expect after a read and write test the data still be in a good shape? Can you pastbin what was shown so far and include a dmesg ? |
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| 13:52.30 | Sevet | SwedishPerson: adsl router? is it a smaller socket in the master socket? if so sounds like it has a builtin adsl filter, and you can get ones that plug into secondary sockets |
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| 13:53.26 | mallxs | ChrisH: the man page promised me it is a no destructive write test .. i.o.w it will write back the original content after the test |
| 13:53.34 | ChrisH | paolob: It could be a faulty disk.. How often does it happen? sometimes or continous? |
| 13:54.01 | Sevet | could be the controller too, but disk is more likely |
| 13:54.03 | mallxs | [129874.346061] hdb: task_in_intr: status=0x59 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest Error } |
| 13:54.26 | mallxs | [129874.346061] hdb: task_in_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=82575462, sector=82575462 |
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| 13:54.41 | mallxs | there are only 8 of these messages |
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| 13:55.21 | ChrisH | mallxs UncorrectableError <-- that is a defetive Disk. smartctl a- /dev/hdb might confirm it... Backup? mirrored? |
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| 13:56.18 | paolob | ChrisH, quite continuos. This mornig I got some mysql table corrupted, I think in consecuence of these errors |
| 13:57.06 | mallxs | ChrisH: yes i have a back up .. was only trying to see if the disk would work ok with some sectors flagged out |
| 13:58.19 | jhutchins_wk | mallxs: It's possible but unlikely. Whatever caused the sectors to fail is probably still causing new failures, the bad sectors would be flagged and not reused. |
| 13:59.19 | ChrisH | mallxs: if the system and data are important, get the disk replaced. Otherwise let it run and learn :) |
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| 14:02.11 | SwedishPerson | Sevet: it's simply just a single socket hole, the gray wire goes into the router and other end goes into the socket, they're both the same each end |
| 14:03.00 | SwedishPerson | ChrisH: Btw thanks for that command, it has defiantly sorted out the ping problems I just tested it about a minute ago. |
| 14:03.46 | SwedishPerson | Sevet: http://di1-1.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/d1/4e/a5/105113610-260x260-0-0_GTMax+CAT6e+Ethernet+LAN+Network+Cable+Gray+6+Feet.jpg |
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| 14:08.23 | mikemol | If I want to create my own debian repository, how do I build the Contents-$arch.gz and Contents-$arch.diff files? Where's the documentation for that? |
| 14:10.02 | mallxs | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/0mkwpwbR |
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| 14:11.59 | ChrisH | mallxs: There you see read errors since 2 days |
| 14:12.53 | dysoco | may I ask, what's the content of the Debian Wheezy CD1 ? GNOME2 ? |
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| 14:16.30 | jhutchins_wk | dysoco: CD1 should be an installer disk with enough packages for a basic gnome desktop. |
| 14:17.03 | dysoco | with Graphical installer ? |
| 14:17.03 | jhutchins_wk | dysoco: It defaults to U.S. English, not sure what other localles are availble. |
| 14:17.07 | jhutchins_wk | dysoco: Yes, and I believe it also runs as a live CD> |
| 14:17.41 | dysoco | and, is it possible that there is a daily testing iso aviable, so I don't need to update the whole system after ? |
| 14:17.45 | dysoco | I have a slow internet connection |
| 14:18.14 | babilen | dysoco: Should be a subset of GNOME3 which doesn't fit completely on the first cd. But check yourself http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta1/amd64/list-cd/ |
| 14:18.31 | dysoco | well I was planning to use XFCE |
| 14:19.27 | babilen | dysoco: Well, don't download the GNOME cd in that case. You can just use the netinstall and select XFCE during the installation, install it afterwards or use the XFCE/LXDE CD1. |
| 14:19.33 | babilen | !tell dysoco -about install xfce |
| 14:19.34 | dysoco | what about this one ?http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b1-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
| 14:20.06 | babilen | dysoco: That one (I was just about to give you the link) contains XFCE and LXDE. |
| 14:20.38 | dysoco | cool, so that's "daily" (uploaded in July 15) ? |
| 14:20.45 | dysoco | I don't mind if I download LXDE, I can remove it later |
| 14:21.13 | babilen | No, that is not a daily image, but the first beta release. |
| 14:21.38 | babilen | dysoco: Why would you want to download it if you plan to remove it? What do you *really* want? |
| 14:21.58 | babilen | Didn't you say that you plan to use XFCE? |
| 14:22.06 | dysoco | Debian + XFCE, yes |
| 14:22.20 | wessly | XFCE + Debian rlz. |
| 14:22.20 | dysoco | OK, I'm getting the Netinst: That's it |
| 14:22.29 | extrasolar | LXDE is nice |
| 14:22.34 | extrasolar | I'm using it now |
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| 14:23.26 | EdePopede | hi, is there a list of expressions for the regex used by debian? |
| 14:23.39 | EdePopede | less says: uses the regex that is installed |
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| 14:23.59 | EdePopede | can not even search tabs in textfiles |
| 14:24.09 | extrasolar | for what? |
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| 14:24.25 | esing | hi |
| 14:24.31 | gnarface | EdePopede: less probably uses the same regexp syntax as vi |
| 14:24.33 | extrasolar | you mean this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ch-text_tools.html? |
| 14:24.36 | esing | will my server continue to install debian though I left its webinterface? |
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| 14:26.59 | EdePopede | works with vim, not at all with less |
| 14:27.12 | gnarface | i got nothin |
| 14:27.18 | gnarface | considered emacs? |
| 14:27.30 | pc_magas | I use nano it is fine wiith me... |
| 14:27.36 | pc_magas | and very easy... |
| 14:28.42 | gnarface | anyone ever seen a machine that would boot via usb if you dd a floppy disk boot image to it, but not one of the squeeze-era iso-hybrid images? |
| 14:28.53 | gnarface | moreover; anyone figured out how to get around that? |
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| 14:29.17 | engla | floppy disk boot image? wrong century |
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| 14:29.44 | gnarface | so you'd think but the latest bios for this motherboard was released in late 2007.... |
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| 14:30.49 | Guest86229 | how to run kernel directly from grub CLI? I am trying this command: kernel /boot/kernel/kfreebsd.gz; the output is: invalid file format; any help? |
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| 14:38.53 | esing | !seen soci3ty |
| 14:38.54 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'soci3ty', esing |
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| 14:40.04 | SomeoneWeird | Anyone know why I'm getting fatal "fatal error: pcap/pcap.h: No such file or directory" |
| 14:40.09 | SomeoneWeird | i have the dev packages installed and stuff, |
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| 14:40.40 | EdePopede | weird... if grep '.* .*' (<TAB> included) works (finds lines with tabs) even without -E then what is that option good for? especially if searching for tabs does not work without ^V<TAB> at all |
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| 14:42.31 | superstraw | posix? |
| 14:42.49 | superstraw | oops sorry |
| 14:42.52 | jelly-home | EdePopede: it's good for switching to ERE instead of BRE syntax |
| 14:43.30 | EdePopede | so nonprintable must be inserted RAW, so or so? |
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| 14:44.06 | jelly-home | EdePopede: what's your actual goal? |
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| 14:44.19 | EdePopede | find lines with ASCII-9 |
| 14:44.32 | EdePopede | 1) with grep 2) with less |
| 14:44.59 | EdePopede | (used to be grep first, but since it didn't work... tried less, same non-result) |
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| 14:46.44 | superstraw | grep -P '\t' for tab maybe? |
| 14:47.27 | superstraw | i like perl better anywho |
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| 14:49.00 | EdePopede | i remember php even saying "use pgrep, not ours" - 10 yrs ago or so |
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| 14:50.06 | EdePopede | uh... GNU grep 2.6.3 from 2009... de manpage is from 2002 |
| 14:51.07 | EdePopede | alias man=man -L C <<< that right? |
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| 14:57.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peps i am trying to ue the unzip command nad it keeps saying it cant find the file.. |
| 14:57.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | i got 777 all the files too |
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| 14:57.54 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: please pastebin your try |
| 14:58.06 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 14:59.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | pastebin.com/RWzTfnkc |
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| 15:00.09 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am not sure what i did wrong |
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| 15:01.09 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: unzip tells you this does not look like a zip file.... run: file Alumin.zip |
| 15:01.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok |
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| 15:02.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | it is a zip file according to file command i need atleasr version one to extract |
| 15:02.29 | ChrisH | unzip -l Alumin.zip ?? |
| 15:02.45 | Eryn_1983_FL | same error |
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| 15:02.58 | jhutchins_wk | It's possible the file is corrupt. |
| 15:03.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | all of them?? |
| 15:03.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | it does it on several files from two webpages |
| 15:03.29 | Eryn_1983_FL | i'll dl it on the servr i know its ok |
| 15:03.55 | ChrisH | Are these files downloadable for others? So could we test them? |
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| 15:06.39 | jhutchins_wk | Eryn_1983_FL: According to the error message the end of the file is missing. It's possible that this is a multi-part zip file and that you don not have all of the parts. If it's not supposed to be multi-part then it's a bad file. |
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| 15:27.00 | riddley | is there a workaround for wheezy's openssl not being able to negotiate TLS with older SSL implementations? |
| 15:27.33 | pc_magas | Guys does anyone remembers how to shop apache? |
| 15:28.06 | pc_magas | sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop? |
| 15:29.52 | EdePopede | prefers graceful-stop |
| 15:29.55 | jhutchins_wk | How do I get vi to display the current line number? |
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| 15:31.17 | kwork | jhutchins_wk: it should do it by default |
| 15:31.29 | kwork | on the right side there is 1,1 when you are on line 1 |
| 15:33.01 | pc_magas | Ok found it |
| 15:34.02 | Pryon | jhutchins_wk: http://bit.ly/NmmrYK |
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| 15:35.52 | jhutchins_wk | kwork: Must be something to do with the 500k line file. |
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| 15:36.30 | docgnome | has anyone gotten g+ hangouts to work in testing or in sid? It just breaks in testing and i'm wondering if sid would be better |
| 15:37.20 | sney | docgnome: I'd imagine that would depend heavily on the browser |
| 15:37.39 | ChrisH | jhutchins_wk: :set number to have the linesnumber at the beginning. (at least vim does it) |
| 15:37.43 | docgnome | sney: i've tried in chromium, firefox, and google chrome |
| 15:37.54 | docgnome | sney: it's their plugin that isn't working. |
| 15:38.11 | ChrisH | docgnome: I did get it to work on testing and iceweasel |
| 15:38.28 | docgnome | ChrisH: oh nice. happen to remember how? |
| 15:38.32 | ChrisH | docgnome: .... weeks ago, not recently. |
| 15:38.33 | sney | docgnome: if you're using google chrome from upstream and it's updated, and the plugin still isn't working, then it's time to talk to google |
| 15:39.04 | ChrisH | docgnome: apt-get install , restart iceweasel and all was well. |
| 15:39.26 | docgnome | hrm.... |
| 15:39.35 | ChrisH | docgnome: I can boot up the notebook if you have a G+ hangout to test it. |
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| 15:41.30 | docgnome | ChrisH: the problem is the plugin says Warning(clientchannel.cc:560): Connection lost while waiting for authorization reason=104 |
| 15:41.35 | docgnome | and then it breaks |
| 15:41.44 | docgnome | it like connects to the plugin and then disconnects |
| 15:42.04 | docgnome | and i've asked the tubes and i see that it was a problem for others but it somehow got resolved and they never posted how |
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| 15:43.20 | docgnome | ChrisH: i can't even start them is the problem |
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| 15:45.01 | ChrisH | docgnome: I did only join a hangout till now. How do I start it? ... booting up my laptop |
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| 15:45.43 | docgnome | ChrisH: there is a button on the right of the main page |
| 15:45.51 | docgnome | right above that chat |
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| 15:45.55 | dsdeiz | hi, i see this after doing apt-get autoremove http://pastebin.com/W6uW1f6A are they fine to remove? this was caused after removing virtualbox packages |
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| 15:48.52 | ChrisH | docgnome: I get to a webpage where I can see my pic from the webcam and potentiall candidate to call, hang-dings.... seems to work |
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| 15:50.18 | MA111 | Greetings , a fresh install of of squeese, and 'shutdown -r now' does not reboot the system. |
| 15:50.35 | MA111 | shutdown -h works fine |
| 15:51.28 | docgnome | ChrisH: hrmph... |
| 15:51.32 | docgnome | ChrisH: i can't join either |
| 15:51.39 | jhutchins_wk | Pryon: Silly me, I was looking in the man page. |
| 15:51.40 | ChrisH | docgnome: is it the google-talkplugin responsible for Hanging around? If yes, I have 3.2.4.0-1 amd64 installed. |
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| 15:51.51 | docgnome | yes |
| 15:52.15 | docgnome | that's what i have too :-( |
| 15:53.07 | ChrisH | docgnome: but the error message sounds more like a network issue. proxy, firewall... |
| 15:53.54 | dsdeiz | anyone? |
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| 15:55.07 | docgnome | ChrisH: that's what i thought too so i turned off my firewall same problem |
| 15:55.09 | ChrisH | dsdeiz: seems OK. Its all related to building kernel modules for VBox |
| 15:55.32 | ChrisH | docgnome: can you tcpdump/snoop/wireshark whats going out? |
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| 15:55.40 | dsdeiz | sweet thx |
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| 15:56.29 | jeredepp | when i change the hosts file, do i need to restart the services so they get that the file was changed or do they always ask the hosts file and see the changes immediatly |
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| 15:57.36 | ChrisH | jeredepp: depends on the service. if there is a nscd running restarting it is recommended. The rest depends on the application. |
| 15:57.53 | jeredepp | it would be and apache server |
| 15:58.53 | ChrisH | jeredepp: puh. what information gets apache from hosts? |
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| 16:00.52 | jeredepp | just some hostnames, but it need a restart i guess |
| 16:01.06 | jeredepp | and if not, i still be on the safe side if i do it anyway :) |
| 16:01.29 | MA111 | any help about not being help to reboot the system please ? |
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| 16:02.26 | movl | MA111: more details? |
| 16:03.00 | ChrisH | MA111: does init 6 work? I do not use shutdown at all... reboot/halt/powerff/init are my prefered ones |
| 16:03.21 | MA111 | ChrisH: reboot does not work as well |
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| 16:03.57 | jhutchins_wk | MA111: Do they give you an error message? |
| 16:04.01 | MA111 | I can poweroff, but cannt reboot the system, it get to a point where it says " loading new kernel" , then the screen goes black, then nothing at all, and I need to manually power off |
| 16:04.17 | jhutchins_wk | MA111: What release, what kernel? |
| 16:04.46 | MA111 | 6.05 , with kernal 2.6.32-5 |
| 16:04.52 | MA111 | *kernel |
| 16:05.09 | MA111 | Its a Thinkpad X200 |
| 16:05.17 | MA111 | I'm using LVM if that matters |
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| 16:05.48 | KsM | is there a difference when you just do init 1 |
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| 16:06.49 | KsM | erm, init 6 I meant |
| 16:07.08 | MA111 | I'm going to try, if it works, then I'll see you in a short while :) |
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| 16:08.22 | docgnome | ChrisH: looks fine to me... and it works on other machines on my network |
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| 16:13.11 | pkkm | / |
| 16:13.25 | MA111 | I'm back.. well, init 6 produced the same problme, got to a point where it sasy "loading new kernel " , then black screen, then nothing |
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| 16:13.31 | MA111 | system did not reboot |
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| 16:14.55 | KsM | Hm |
| 16:15.22 | MA111 | KsM: yes indeed, |
| 16:15.24 | KsM | Paste your /etc/init.d/reboot? |
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| 16:16.44 | MA111 | http://pastebin.com/jBt8LuZ4 |
| 16:17.22 | MA111 | I have seen , that folks who instlled using the live CD tend to have this problem, but I don't feel like issuing the entire re-install just for this matter. |
| 16:17.57 | KsM | Don't really know why |
| 16:18.16 | MA111 | looks like a mean bug |
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| 16:18.39 | MA111 | I guess it will be more time efficient to re-insatll with full DVD and see what happens |
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| 16:22.38 | pkkm | Is it a good idea to create a /www directory on a web server and store websites' files it its subdirectories, or is there a good reason to use /var/www ? |
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| 16:23.35 | themill | pkkm: /srv/$vhost/$service or /srv/$service/$vhost are the normal things to use (so /srv/www/example.com or /srv/example.com/www) |
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| 16:25.07 | pkkm | Thanks. |
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| 16:29.16 | gnarface | triumph! |
| 16:29.20 | jpw | epic win |
| 16:29.51 | gnarface | boudiccas: the trick was to use mkdiskimage from the syslinux package to format the usb flash key as a zip drive |
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| 16:30.28 | _DomY-Dom | Hi, what's the command tu add just an FTP (not SFTP) but FTP ? |
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| 16:33.34 | jpw | _DomY-Dom: More information please. Do you want to 'add' and FTP client or daemon? |
| 16:33.49 | jpw | s/and/an/ |
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| 16:34.43 | _DomY-Dom | jwp no I have FTP installed, how do I create an FTP user that doesn't have shell access or SFTP access ? |
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| 16:36.08 | jpw | _DomY-Dom: `echo /usr/sbin/nologin >> /etc/shells; useradd -d /home/ftpuser -m -s /usr/sbin/nologin` |
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| 16:36.39 | _DomY-Dom | doing just useradd -d /home/ftpuser [nameofuser] doesn't work ? jpw ? |
| 16:36.56 | jpw | the -s switch is the important part |
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| 16:37.17 | jpw | /usr/sbin/nologin shell will not allow a user to log in interactively |
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| 16:37.34 | _DomY-Dom | jpw: k thanks but I was wondering if there was not only one command. For example, if you just want to add a SFTP user you can just do "usermod -s /usr/lib/sftp-service {nameofuser}" |
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| 16:38.19 | jpw | _DomY-Dom: that depends on the FTP daemon you use. My instructions are more suited for the vsftpd package |
| 16:38.52 | _DomY-Dom | jpw: ah I have proftpd if i'm not mistaken |
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| 16:39.09 | _DomY-Dom | jpw: yeah I have proftpd. |
| 16:39.16 | _DomY-Dom | jpw: anything more suited for that ? |
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| 16:40.25 | _DomY-Dom | jpw: ? |
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| 16:40.42 | darknesslord | ??? |
| 16:40.58 | darknesslord | _Domy-Dom can i help you?! |
| 16:41.03 | jpw | _DomY-Dom: I can't answer with confidence on the proftpd package. I've not used it much. |
| 16:41.10 | TheWarden | How do I get a the date of when a file was created? |
| 16:41.35 | movl | ls -l |
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| 16:42.12 | jpw | TheWarden: look up the `stat` command |
| 16:42.44 | jpw | movl: ls -l will show you the last modified time. |
| 16:42.53 | movl | oh, my bad |
| 16:44.06 | _DomY-Dom | darknesslord: Wanted to know the command that added a ftp user (without shell or sftp access) for the proftpd package, essentially the equivalent of "usermod -s /usr/lib/sftp-service" for FTP. |
| 16:44.10 | _DomY-Dom | jpw: thanks for your help anyways. |
| 16:44.58 | TheWarden | jpw: Thanks, I'm reading the man page on stat and I don't see anything that allows me to display the creation date of a given file. Am I missing something? |
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| 16:46.55 | jpw | TheWarden: no |
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| 16:47.06 | _DomY-Dom | darknesslord: ? |
| 16:47.37 | TheWarden | jpw: okay well then how is stat going to give me the creation date then? |
| 16:47.51 | jpw | TheWarden: It doesn't exist. |
| 16:48.21 | jpw | at least not on extX filesystems |
| 16:48.47 | TheWarden | jpw: ahh I was asking how to do get the date a file was created. Your saying that the file system doesn't allow for storing the date in which a file was created? mmm I'm kinda of surprised this would be the case. |
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| 16:50.38 | jpw | TheWarden: Yes sorry for my vauge response im trying to do 10 things at once. |
| 16:51.16 | TheWarden | jpw: not a problem. I'm just now shocked that one can't find out when a file was initially created at all. |
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| 16:54.55 | TheWarden | mmm what's the difference between modification time and change time? To me change and modification mean the same thing. |
| 16:56.44 | jpw | I /believe/ that modified is the file contents has changed. and changed is that the file metadta or the contents has changed. |
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| 16:58.21 | jpw | oh no "st_ctime is changed by writing or by setting inode information" so when the file metadata has changed. see `man 2 stat` for full details. |
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| 17:06.18 | spal | is there a file I can check to find out the list of all valid locale names? |
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| 17:06.53 | spal | I am looking for things like en_US.UTF-8, etc. C.UTF-8 also seems to work for my C program. I want to know the list of all such locales. |
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| 17:08.22 | bora_ | hello, |
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| 17:10.10 | gnarface | spal: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" should give you a fairly large list to chose from |
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| 17:10.30 | spal | locale -a did the trick. |
| 17:10.32 | spal | thanks gnarface |
| 17:10.45 | gnarface | no problem |
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| 17:12.13 | spal | gnarface, I don't see C and C.UTF-8 in the list of dpkg-reconfigure locales even though locale -a shows it in the list of available locales. |
| 17:12.17 | spal | do you know why is that? |
| 17:12.29 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: It's because so often when a file is modified it's actually copied to a new file, the old file deleted, and the new file renamed. You could preserve the original file's creation time by some internal mechanism, but very few programs (other than some word processors) do that. |
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| 17:13.32 | gnarface | spal: i would assume because C is the ANSI standard default one or something like that but it would only be an assumption |
| 17:13.43 | spal | ok |
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| 17:13.57 | gnarface | spal: there has to be a locale to use when no locale is specified |
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| 17:14.01 | spal | yes |
| 17:14.34 | asgard20032 | Anyone here has experience with inadyn or ddclient? |
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| 17:18.28 | davidgul | hello |
| 17:18.52 | extrasolar | yo |
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| 17:20.57 | mikejunk | sudo, no |
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| 17:25.06 | dkr | su -c command user |
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| 17:25.46 | jhutchins_wk | davidgul: If you want an interactive shell, besure to do su - <user> in order to get their environment (home, etc.) |
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| 17:27.58 | davidgul | jhutchins_wk : no i wont to run script and add to the script command that will change my user |
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| 17:33.06 | Tatao | hello I'm doing a netinstall and I can't have wifi because I need iwlwifi |
| 17:34.14 | Tatao | what to do , I need the wifi for installing debian |
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| 17:35.25 | extrasolar | so you can't use ethnet? |
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| 17:35.36 | extrasolar | Ethernet |
| 17:36.01 | Tatao | no I can't my ethernet port doesn't work |
| 17:36.08 | mikejunk | download a min cd install (you on net now!) |
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| 17:38.37 | _0bitcount | mikejunk, the iwlwifi firmware is non-free. I am not sure it is in the CD. |
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| 17:39.30 | themill | Tatao: you can add the firmware to the installation, but the squeeze installer still won't do WPA for you. |
| 17:39.49 | Tatao | i have a wep key :D |
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| 17:40.11 | themill | !installer firmware |
| 17:40.12 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 17:40.22 | mikejunk | Ya I found it somewhere on the net, not in debian distro, but use another computer to make a min cd install |
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| 17:41.00 | themill | Tatao: you can either load the firmware off a usb stick during the installation or you can grab an installer image that has the firmware already on it (/msg dpkg firmware images) |
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| 17:41.55 | ke-esc | hi all, dumb q- fresh install of debian and apache2- for whatever reason with "Listen *:80" or "Listen 80", its only binding ipv6..anything change recently? |
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| 17:42.45 | miceiken | Hi. How do I mount an external harddrive? |
| 17:42.51 | Dagger2 | ke-esc: unless you set net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1, it'll still be able to accept v4 connections on the v6 socket |
| 17:43.22 | mjt | Dagger2: bindv6only = 1 is now the default iirc (see /etc/sysctl*) |
| 17:43.34 | mikejunk | find the dev special file (sdaN) then 'mount /dev/sdaN /mnt' |
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| 17:43.44 | Dagger2 | it's 0 in Squeeze |
| 17:43.58 | mjt | Dagger2: yes it is 0 in squeeze |
| 17:44.37 | miceiken | mikejunk does it have to be /mnt? also, is there any way to make it automaticly mount the external hd once its popped in? |
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| 17:45.19 | mjt | miceiken: most desktop environments mounts all removable media (eg, usb-connected drives) automatically |
| 17:45.34 | miceiken | This is a server, no GUI |
| 17:46.17 | mikejunk | if it's setup that way, the manual way is: mkfs (make a fs) on the dev, then mount the dev on some existing dir |
| 17:46.30 | mjt | mkfs? |
| 17:46.43 | miceiken | filesystem i take it |
| 17:46.50 | ke-esc | Dagger2, okay thanks- i didn't realize that it bound to both |
| 17:46.59 | mjt | that'll destroy existing data :) |
| 17:47.06 | miceiken | yeah :p |
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| 17:47.56 | mikejunk | if dev already has fs on it (you might have to fsck it) then no mkfs needed |
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| 17:49.02 | themill | mjt: bindv6only was only the default for netbase 4.38 to 4.42 |
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| 17:57.37 | lrussell | Hello |
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| 17:58.10 | lrussell | I'm having some permission issues with fuse/fstab. I'm trying to mount 2 remove drives, 1 with sshfs, and another with curlftpfs. They work as root perfectly, but as user I can only view it and create folders (odd), files seem to fail. What I would like to do is give all users full read, write, and execute permissions. FStab Config Link: http://pastebin.com/d5bHywUe |
| 17:59.34 | lrussell | Is anyone here? |
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| 18:04.13 | lrussell | Is anyone on this chat? |
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| 18:05.16 | sinisterstuf | yes |
| 18:05.34 | lrussell | sinisterstuf: Do you have any experience with permission issues? |
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| 18:06.23 | sinisterstuf | hardly lrussell, what settings have you put for the file systems in fstab? |
| 18:06.34 | lrussell | http://pastebin.com/d5bHywUe |
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| 18:07.27 | lrussell | I just want both drives to work with full 777 permissions as any user... |
| 18:07.35 | lrussell | But "Only root can do that". |
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| 18:10.35 | sinisterstuf | lrussell, perhaps you should try specifying fmask and dmask |
| 18:10.46 | sinisterstuf | I'm not an expert at this |
| 18:11.04 | lrussell | that sounds farmiliar, I've dealt with this before and can't seem to remember what I did |
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| 18:11.47 | lrussell | ah, that sounds about right. I'm gonna test it, thanks. |
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| 18:12.24 | sinisterstuf | lrussel, try: fuse uid=root,gid=users,fmask=777,dmask=777 0 0 |
| 18:12.29 | sinisterstuf | hopefully that makes things better |
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| 18:13.01 | sinisterstuf | notice I removed user and allow_other |
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| 18:13.57 | lrussell | okay |
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| 18:14.31 | sinisterstuf | woah I specified horrible numbers for the masks, sorry |
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| 18:15.02 | lrussell | 000, not 777 |
| 18:15.03 | lrussell | lol |
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| 18:15.10 | sinisterstuf | yeah, sorry about that :p |
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| 18:19.10 | lrussell | sinisterstuff: fuse: unknown option `fmask=000' |
| 18:19.32 | aguitel | how manage firewall in debian kde ? |
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| 18:19.45 | simonlnu | !iptables |
| 18:19.45 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter. Ask me about <netfilter docs>. For a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables . http://netfilter.org/ #netfilter on irc.freenode.net. See also <ferm>, <lartc>, <masq>, <ulogd>. |
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| 18:20.04 | simonlnu | aguitel: why would you want a "firewall"? |
| 18:20.09 | sinisterstuf | lrussell, maybe try what I have: fmask=113,dmask=002 |
| 18:20.32 | aguitel | simonlnu, i want to pit it on |
| 18:20.41 | aguitel | put it on |
| 18:20.44 | lrussell | I want full 777 permissions, which is 000. |
| 18:20.48 | sinisterstuf | but actually maybe fmask is only for mounting ntfs with fuse |
| 18:21.03 | sinisterstuf | may not be applicable to what you're doing |
| 18:21.13 | lrussell | I'm mounting an SFTP drive, and an FTP drive. |
| 18:21.31 | sinisterstuf | let me see if I can setup something similar and get it to succeed |
| 18:21.45 | simonlnu | aguitel: you sure this wanting is not left over from your windows days? :P |
| 18:22.20 | lrussell | sinisterstuf: once mounted, I share it over samba to my windows pcs, but even accessing it directly on my debian pc I can only create folders.... >.> |
| 18:22.28 | aguitel | simonlnu, maby but the firewall is on or of by defailt ? |
| 18:22.43 | lrussell | is mad at Debian. |
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| 18:23.16 | lrussell | !sshfs |
| 18:23.16 | dpkg | sshfs is a <FUSE>-based filesystem using <SSH> for securely mounting remote resources. See http://fuse.sf.net/sshfs.html and http://sf.net/apps/mediawiki/fuse?title=SshfsFaq for more information. Remember to add yourself to the 'fuse' group. If you have problems with stale sshfs mounts, set ServerAliveInterval 30 (for 30 seconds) in /etc/ssh/ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config. |
| 18:23.20 | simonlnu | aguitel: uh, no, it isn't. |
| 18:23.28 | lrussell | !curlftpfs |
| 18:23.29 | dpkg | i heard curlftpfs is a filesystem for accessing FTP hosts based on FUSE and libcurl. http://curlftpfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:23.40 | simonlnu | !tell lrussell -about selftell |
| 18:23.57 | lrussell | what? |
| 18:24.09 | simonlnu | read what the bot told you ;) |
| 18:24.19 | lrussell | it didn't tell me anything |
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| 18:24.37 | lrussell | [14:23] <simonlnu> !tell lrussell -about selftell [14:23] == mhi [~mhi@f050034013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] [14:24] <lrussell> what? |
| 18:24.43 | simonlnu | i'm sure. check your windows |
| 18:24.53 | simonlnu | it'll be in a /query or /msg |
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| 18:25.37 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a way to copy a file to a user's directory and NOT preserve ownership, but have it revert to the user? |
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| 18:26.08 | simonlnu | aguitel: i.e., iptables default policy is ACCEPT; now, if you really want one - and you should put this on your router/gateway machine - you have stuff like shorewall, ferm, etc. |
| 18:26.25 | sevenfourk | jhutchins_wk: -p is what you mean? |
| 18:26.36 | simonlnu | jhutchins_wk: only root can do that |
| 18:26.57 | simonlnu | and with -p yes |
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| 18:27.34 | blubberdiblub | if i understood it correctly, he wants _without_ -p (and without -a) |
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| 18:28.39 | simonlnu | still need root privs |
| 18:28.51 | blubberdiblub | not as i understood it |
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| 18:29.02 | blubberdiblub | he does _not_ want to preserve ownership |
| 18:29.04 | esing | hi how can I delete a selected range of txt in nano? |
| 18:29.13 | blubberdiblub | you don't need root for not preserving ownership |
| 18:29.25 | simonlnu | oh, nm |
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| 18:29.41 | simonlnu | i understood it backwards, my bad |
| 18:29.53 | blubberdiblub | well, maybe i misunderstood it, i don't know |
| 18:30.10 | tremon | chmod u+s on the target directory? |
| 18:30.16 | simonlnu | no, you're right. re-read the question :) |
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| 18:30.37 | blubberdiblub | you can force non-preservation by --no-preserve=ownership |
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| 18:31.35 | simonlnu | esing: ^k ? not a range though.. not sure if nano supports that. vi/vim does |
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| 18:35.16 | _0bitcount | What would be the more adequate medium to report bugs or suggestions regarding debian web pages? |
| 18:35.29 | simonlnu | !reportbug |
| 18:35.29 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 18:35.45 | gnarface | if only asus had one |
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| 18:37.12 | simonlnu | gnarface: a what? bug tracker? |
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| 18:37.41 | simonlnu | yeh, i'd tell them about the faulty bios chips :P |
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| 18:38.07 | _0bitcount | OK. Thank you, simonlnu. |
| 18:38.13 | jelly-home | _0bitcount: bugs can be reported for the www.debian.org pseudo package. Current ones: http://bugs.debian.org/www.debian.org |
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| 18:38.40 | simonlnu | blubberdiblub: i do understand things backwards sometimes. just the way i am. |
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| 18:39.00 | dioz_ | mjt you still there guy? |
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| 18:39.21 | gnarface | simonlnu: i got this one booting off usb by formatting the usb as a zip drive |
| 18:39.43 | gnarface | it was so awesome i'm going to have to write a song about it |
| 18:39.56 | blubberdiblub | simonlnu, no worries, i think that happens to all of us sometimes ;) |
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| 18:40.16 | mjt | dioz_: whassup? |
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| 18:40.24 | simonlnu | blubberdiblub: no doubt ;), it happens to me a *lot* :) |
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| 18:40.51 | _0bitcount | jelly-home, nice. I didn't know there was a pseudo package for the whole site. Thanks. |
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| 18:42.51 | dioz_ | so basically i just reset everything back to scratch. mjt .i have a debian squeeze host with two nics connected to a switch which is connected to a router. after about 5 minutes the gateway recognizes that it's the same host for each nic and both of the interfaces stop working. they originally obtain different ips in 172.16.1.0/24. then the gateway shows the two macs but with the same ip. as best i can see the arps are going from the same interface |
| 18:43.03 | dioz_ | you said to fix this using arp_filter if i remember correctly |
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| 18:43.53 | dioz_ | i had adjusted arp annouce and arp ignore previously |
| 18:44.02 | dioz_ | which gave me the results i wanted. |
| 18:44.11 | mjt | no, i said that your fix is correct |
| 18:44.22 | dioz_ | ok ok |
| 18:44.29 | mjt | nothing about arp_filter -- it was you who suggested that :) |
| 18:44.29 | dioz_ | okay now i create the bridge |
| 18:44.34 | blubberdiblub | simonlnu, well, anyway, i thought about the question once again, and i think jhutchins_wk doesn't want to copy as the target user, but for instance as root (or some group member with appropriate permissions). and he wants the destination file to change ownership (or group) in such a way, that the use the directory tree belongs to has access to it. that means he probably has to employ the setgid bit on all directories of the tree |
| 18:44.38 | dioz_ | add interface eth1 ot that bridge |
| 18:44.50 | dioz_ | create my guest with the br0 networking interface |
| 18:44.55 | blubberdiblub | s/use/user/ |
| 18:45.00 | dioz_ | then my host loses ability to resolve hostnames |
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| 18:45.27 | simonlnu | blubberdiblub: yeh. i suspect so |
| 18:45.33 | dioz_ | i'm starting to think the gateway might be messing with me |
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| 18:45.44 | mallxs | i need a strange kind of tail; every time a file is re-written it should reopen the file and show the top. Does something like that exists ? |
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| 18:46.03 | simonlnu | weeee |
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| 18:46.03 | mjt | dioz_: can you try without both nics connected (ie, with just one) ? |
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| 18:46.20 | dioz_ | i can... but what i'm attempting to do is have one nic DMZ and the other nic local lan |
| 18:46.33 | dioz_ | so i can access another service inside the lan (surveilance) |
| 18:46.35 | simonlnu | grabs his surfboard |
| 18:46.40 | mjt | dioz_: in that case you should phisically split them :) |
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| 18:47.01 | mjt | dioz_: or at least connect them to different vlans |
| 18:47.10 | dioz_ | yeah i was thinking about vlans |
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| 18:47.26 | mjt | having them on the same subnet makes no sence |
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| 18:47.47 | simonlnu | resists correcting the typos |
| 18:47.50 | dioz_ | my gateway i t hink gives me the ability to create a subsidiary network |
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| 18:47.57 | dioz_ | so i might try that |
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| 18:49.25 | Ciphers | anyone here has knowledge with postfix+clamav on debian? |
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| 18:49.40 | Ciphers | we are using Debian Squeeze as a mail server |
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| 18:50.04 | Ciphers | so clamav won't be removed and won't be installed correctly! |
| 18:50.10 | Ciphers | here is the error: http://pastebin.com/uRdTbhX3 |
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| 18:50.18 | mjt | dioz_: i'm about to go to bed (had a difficult day today) so i can't help you further _now_. You should understand this is something which should never happen really, -- only when your guest pretending to be the gateway (taking its ip address). Follow the packets with tcpdump. |
| 18:50.31 | dioz_ | np np thnx for your help it was good |
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| 18:58.30 | esing | simonlnu thanks, so i better read a little bit about vi/vim =) |
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| 19:02.01 | UNIm95 | Hi to all. |
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| 19:02.41 | shakezula | Hi all, is there a way for me to find older versions of packages? |
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| 19:03.00 | ksk | i think at packages.debian.org |
| 19:03.05 | shakezula | I'm trying to find libc6-dev < 2.11.2-3 for squeeze |
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| 19:03.34 | ksk | forget about that |
| 19:03.59 | ksk | maaany things depend on libc, you better not replace it |
| 19:04.11 | shakezula | yea thats what i thought, here's my quandry |
| 19:04.12 | ksk | what do you want to do anyway? |
| 19:04.24 | gnarface | so basically if i'm on amd64 sid and i want multiarch i just go dpkg --add-architecture i386 and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 19:04.32 | shakezula | i have libc6 installed at version 2.11.2-2 |
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| 19:04.44 | shakezula | and I'm trying to install build-essential |
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| 19:05.17 | shakezula | it tells me that I need libc6 > 2.11.3-3 but I have 2.11.2-2 |
| 19:05.18 | themill | shakezula: sounds like you need to do a dist-upgrade so that you've got the right version of libc6 |
| 19:05.45 | UNIm95 | A need help. I'm using ant for manipulation with mysql. http://paste.pro/5156065 --this is build.xml my script. and i becam error: BUILD FAILED |
| 19:05.45 | UNIm95 | /root/ant/build.xml:7: Class Not Found: JDBC driver com.mysql.jdbc.driver could not be loaded |
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| 19:06.02 | shakezula | but then it won't update it automatically because it says libc6.conf is supplied by another package and it won't overwrite it |
| 19:06.02 | themill | shakezula: (aptitude upgrade would probably be enough, actually) |
| 19:06.16 | UNIm95 | jdbc for Mysql is installed |
| 19:06.17 | themill | shakezula: let's see the full output in a pastebin |
| 19:06.22 | themill | dpkg: tell shakezula about paste |
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| 19:06.29 | shakezula | ok stand by |
| 19:06.37 | HideMe | Can Debian 4 be upgraded to ver 6, or must it be upgraded to 5 first? |
| 19:06.59 | esing | hi |
| 19:07.10 | Ciphers | anyone help? |
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| 19:07.27 | themill | HideMe: you'll need to go to lenny (5) first and you'll need to make sure you follow the release notes for each step. /msg dpkg etch->lenny ; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 19:07.33 | ksk | debian 4. wtf :D |
| 19:07.36 | Ciphers | i need to fix my LSB Header of netio |
| 19:07.43 | Ciphers | but i don't know why |
| 19:07.45 | abrotman | !tell Ciphers about lsb tags |
| 19:07.48 | HideMe | themill, okay, thanks. |
| 19:07.56 | HideMe | ksk ya ya I knowwwww. |
| 19:08.15 | esing | I want to modify my apache config so that I can access it not by Auth but by IP : http://ideone.com/ctFIb |
| 19:08.35 | esing | would I modify the config file in site-enable or in site-available? |
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| 19:08.57 | Ciphers | abrotman, do you think this issue is related with LSB Header of netio? |
| 19:08.58 | shakezula | http://paste.debian.net/183715 |
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| 19:09.09 | Ciphers | abramart, this issue: http://pastebin.com/uRdTbhX3 |
| 19:09.20 | Ciphers | abrotman, * http://pastebin.com/uRdTbhX3 |
| 19:09.41 | shakezula | its funky, i think its due to the wd-lib locking that libc6.conf, so i'd either want to install compatible versions of those packages, or could i downgrade the g++ to work with the libc that I'm stuck with |
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| 19:12.46 | immotus | I just finished using make-kpkg to create a kernel. I used the --initrd flag so that it would create a ramdisk I could play with, but I'm not at all sure where make-kpkg ended up putting the ramdisk. Anyone know where I should look? |
| 19:12.58 | themill | shakezula: where's this wd-lib from? |
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| 19:13.59 | esing | hi |
| 19:14.07 | esing | what is the difference between /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 19:14.09 | esing | i dont get it ^^ |
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| 19:14.15 | esing | both have the same config file .. |
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| 19:14.21 | shakezula | darn, ping'd out |
| 19:14.24 | shakezula | sorry about that |
| 19:14.36 | abrotman | Ciphers: looks like you're doing a bunch of bad things there |
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| 19:15.53 | Ciphers | abrotman, it's not me, it's my manager's problem : |
| 19:15.55 | Ciphers | :/ |
| 19:16.18 | immotus | hey! make-kpkg installed the kernel and the initrd into /boot for me. I didn't ask it to do that.. |
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| 19:16.32 | Ciphers | abrotman, we have stuck with that issue today's morning and can't use the mail server, so our clients will complain :/ |
| 19:16.35 | themill | shakezula: where's this wd-lib from? |
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| 19:17.29 | shakezula | themill: i believe its the libraries for the web-front end on this NAS |
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| 19:17.53 | themill | shakezula: eww... whatever they are, they really shouldn't be dropping files in there like that |
| 19:17.59 | Ciphers | abrotman, so if you give me some hints, i would be really appreciate it |
| 19:18.37 | shakezula | themill: yea thats what I thought, its unusual to overwrite a file directly like that isn't it? |
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| 19:19.40 | shakezula | themill: so back to my original query, would it be easier to install older packages for build-essential that could use that libc or should i backup/upgrade/overwrite that libc6.conf |
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| 19:20.31 | themill | you're going to have that problem no matter what. You need to either (a) get rid of wd-lib or (b) use dpkg-divert to prevent the file conflict |
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| 19:21.13 | shakezula | yea I think I can remove wd-lib but I'm afraid of not putting it back heh |
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| 19:21.50 | themill | you need a permanent solution not some kludgy force-overwrite that must have been done in the past |
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| 19:22.59 | shakezula | argh, yea i know :( i think for now, I'll try getting rid of it directly and see what happens |
| 19:23.25 | abrotman | Ciphers: it seems like you're iether mixing versions of Debian, or using packages from outside Debian .. which is it? |
| 19:24.07 | themill | shakezula: dpkg-divert might be another way of fixing this. divert off the wd-lib file |
| 19:24.34 | Ciphers | abrotman, the problem is, my friend installed clamav from it's source code, and he deleted it manually, but i guess he did't delete it in correct way |
| 19:24.58 | shakezula | themill: i will try that first actually, im pretty sure if i bork the wd-lib i'll have to reflash (not a big deal, but hey save time if you can) |
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| 19:25.07 | Ciphers | abrotman, so when he tried to install clamav from squeeze's repo, he got a lot of errors |
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| 19:26.27 | Ciphers | abrotman, so he asked me for some help, which is sounds like beyond my knowledge :) |
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| 19:28.53 | deeplloyd | hello |
| 19:28.59 | Namphiz | hi |
| 19:29.07 | deeplloyd | finally i can talk |
| 19:29.20 | Namphiz | how can I change the font of my shell? (Not in a gui) |
| 19:29.37 | deeplloyd | lets see, i am having trouble with VIM and either its me or the main stream's vim isn't the newest version..? |
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| 19:30.24 | spobat | Namphiz, -> tools or sth at the top menu |
| 19:30.49 | themill | deeplloyd: if you're running squeeze, you have a stable and tested set of packages that are known to work well together. Testing takes time... and necessarily means it won't be the latest version |
| 19:30.58 | Namphiz | spobat: Im not using a GUI |
| 19:31.16 | spobat | Namphiz, oh |
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| 19:31.45 | spobat | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/text-only-system-how-to-change-console-font-770688/ |
| 19:31.48 | Namphiz | spobat: Do you know some files or commands where I could edit the font? |
| 19:31.54 | themill | !console font |
| 19:31.55 | dpkg | If your console fonts settings have been changed, you can reset them using the consolechars command (console-tools package). The default font is default 8x*. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 19:31.58 | deeplloyd | themill: okay, now lets say im dense, and am using a hosted dedicated server and uname -a tells me shit. how do i see exact version of debian they gave me? |
| 19:32.02 | abrotman | Ciphers: it looks like something else is going on |
| 19:32.11 | altoid | is anyone else having issues downloading ISOs? |
| 19:32.15 | themill | dpkg: tell deeplloyd about version |
| 19:32.30 | themill | deeplloyd: if it's a server then it should be running squeeze |
| 19:32.45 | acemi | deeplloyd: dpkg -l vim* | grep ^ii |
| 19:33.01 | altoid | namely http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b1-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:33.05 | themill | deeplloyd: err.. that factoid wasn't as useful as I remembered. cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:33.11 | Ciphers | abrotman, mm, ok, i will bbl, i will try with it later |
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| 19:34.34 | deeplloyd | themill: 6.0.5 |
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| 19:35.25 | Namphiz | thanks! Changing the console font worked! |
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| 19:35.56 | joevanni | hi |
| 19:36.05 | joevanni | is there a way to use the rt2800usb module ? |
| 19:36.06 | deeplloyd | Yup, thats it. if I want show relative lines in VIM 's rc I need the package Not in the stream. right? |
| 19:36.06 | Namphiz | hi |
| 19:36.12 | joevanni | (in monitor mode) |
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| 19:37.34 | joevanni | if i use "ifconfig wlan1 down;ifconfig wlan1 up" it says wlan1 doesnt exists (but i can see 'wlan1' in 'ifconfig -a' !!! ) |
| 19:38.22 | comradekingu | http://paste.debian.net/183719/ sent this to submit@bugs.debian.org concerning problem installing debian with the new wheezy b1 d-i using Realtek RTL8111/8168B rev 03 on r8169 driver |
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| 19:39.11 | Eryn_1983_FL | well it is doen |
| 19:39.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | done i finished installing the laptop just wantd to thank all the peeps who helped an put up with me |
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| 19:42.49 | rrrr | Hello guys. |
| 19:44.00 | rrrr | I am trying to config the VGA Mode to decrease console font and I am following a tutor where it asks to find menu.lst at boot/grub dir and I couldn find it, could someone help me figure what is the solution for this please? |
| 19:44.21 | jhutchins_wk | rrrr: You are on squeeze? |
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| 19:54.37 | xreal | Which one is correct? LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${mypath}/lib${LD_LIBRARY_PATH:+:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH}" or LD_LIBRARY_PATH="${mypath}/lib${${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}:+:${LD_LIBRARY_PATH}}" |
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| 19:55.24 | immotus | xreal: what are you trying to do? :^) |
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| 19:55.52 | xreal | immotus: I want to add a path to LD_LIBRARY_PATH. The first one is working, but I wonder, if the second is more correct. |
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| 19:58.18 | Samuraialba | Good bacon to all! |
| 19:58.29 | immotus | votes for Samuraialba |
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| 20:00.02 | immotus | bummer.. xreal left.. I almost had an answer for them |
| 20:00.07 | immotus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:01.28 | burhan|work | how do I get this find . -type f -xargs echo "foo" >> {} \; to do what I want; right now it just creates a file "{}" |
| 20:02.10 | Mogget | find . -type f -exec echo "foo" >> {} \; |
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| 20:03.15 | burhan|work | Mogget: already tried that. |
| 20:04.14 | burhan|work | does the same thing as -xargs |
| 20:04.22 | Mogget | burhan|work: then you have to specify what you are trying to do., |
| 20:04.39 | burhan|work | simply append "foo" to the end of every file in a directory. |
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| 20:08.19 | Mogget | It's the >> that makes it not work, i tried doing a \>\> but that worked badly. |
| 20:08.32 | Mogget | Sorry, I don't have any solution for you. |
| 20:08.35 | burhan|work | yes apparently its some shell thing |
| 20:08.37 | burhan|work | I found one way |
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| 20:08.53 | burhan|work | find . -type f -exec sh -c 'echo "foo" >> {}' \; |
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| 20:09.01 | burhan|work | but I fear there may be a better way to do that. |
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| 20:09.15 | abrotman | you could ask #bash |
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| 20:12.55 | Pinchiukas | Is there a working UPnP/NAT-PMP application in Debian? |
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| 20:16.36 | jhutchins_wk | burhan|work: Be aware that that will recurse any subdirectories as well. |
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| 20:17.04 | jhutchins_wk | burhan|work: It's always good to run your find recipie first WITHOUT the -exec part (amhikt). |
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| 20:19.14 | ilyas | hello |
| 20:19.21 | polix | hi ilyas |
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| 20:20.32 | polix | I need help with the look of my vlc-player: it does not have a qtcurve look: I have installed qtcurve, and selected under LXDE look and feel qtcurve but nothing happened |
| 20:20.42 | polix | have someone an idea? |
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| 20:33.15 | supercowpowers | anyone here good with bash? |
| 20:33.28 | supercowpowers | I have a gnarly one liner I can't quite get to work |
| 20:34.27 | supercowpowers | I'm trying to get bash history to be logged by rsyslog |
| 20:34.32 | jhutchins_wk | supercowpowers: You can give us a shot, but #bash is pretty good too. |
| 20:34.38 | Ephexeve | Hmmm, I wonder what happened here: http://codepad.org/A7asQkTq ?! |
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| 20:36.26 | supercowpowers | export PROMPT_COMMAND='RETRN_VAL=$?;logger -p local6.debug "$(whoami) [$$]: $(history 1 | sed "s/^[ ]*[0-9]\+[ ]*//" ) [$RETRN_VAL]"' |
| 20:36.37 | supercowpowers | that command in bashrc will log history... |
| 20:37.00 | supercowpowers | but if I do ls and then keep hitting enter afterward it will continuously log ls as if I kept doing ls |
| 20:37.02 | supercowpowers | so |
| 20:37.14 | supercowpowers | export PROMPT_COMMAND='CMD_USED=$#;RETRN_VAL=$?;if [ $CMD_USED -ne 0 ];then `logger -p local6.debug "$(whoami) [$$]: $(history 1 | sed "s/^[ ]*[0-9]\+[ ]*//" ) [$RETRN_VAL]"`; fi' |
| 20:37.26 | supercowpowers | that was my attempt to fix it, but instead that logs nothing |
| 20:38.15 | Ephexeve | I think I will go to debian testing, what do you say? Is it safe? |
| 20:38.32 | Ephexeve | It will be my working computer, really in doubt.. |
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| 20:38.42 | Ephexeve | since I need python 2.7 and other new stuff |
| 20:38.44 | aidalgol | Ephexeve: It's as safe as you make it. |
| 20:39.08 | aidalgol | Try only pulling certain packages from testing first, though. |
| 20:39.12 | supercowpowers | well you have two choices |
| 20:39.22 | supercowpowers | you can apt-pin and only pull what you need from testing... |
| 20:39.28 | supercowpowers | or you can switch to testing |
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| 20:39.43 | supercowpowers | 99% of the time testing works fine for reliability |
| 20:39.59 | supercowpowers | usually within those 2 weeks at sid the major issues are found |
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| 20:40.03 | Ephexeve | really? apt-pin will work? |
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| 20:40.15 | FilipeMaia | Do you know any cards that can take a pcie 3.0 slot and turn it into 2 pcie 2.0 slots? |
| 20:40.20 | Ephexeve | to be honest I am sick of squeeze, WAY to strict |
| 20:40.22 | supercowpowers | right now testing is slowing down because it's getting frozen in prep for a new stable release |
| 20:40.38 | jhutchins_wk | !frankendebian |
| 20:40.39 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 20:40.56 | LifeSF | hi everyone,.. i'm trying to figure out if there is a way for me to install a debian-based distro by booting from a floppy to boot the cd-rom...!?!?!? |
| 20:41.20 | Ephexeve | how does pin work? supercowpowers |
| 20:41.26 | supercowpowers | personally stable is a little too old for me so I run testing for work but sid at home |
| 20:41.27 | jhutchins_wk | supercowpowers: It is very likely that portions of testing WILL be deliberately broken in order to fix them for the release, as happened with the Intel xorg drivers for squeeze. |
| 20:41.38 | supercowpowers | jhutchins_wk: true |
| 20:42.20 | jhutchins_wk | supercowpowers: We try to avoid recommending testing to people who are not very familiar and comfortable with the packaging system and with fixing problems. |
| 20:42.23 | Ephexeve | supercowpowers: Hmmmm, what are your mainly problems with testing? |
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| 20:42.52 | supercowpowers | Ephexeve: well, my main issues with testing are presently VPN clients |
| 20:43.04 | supercowpowers | NetworkManager has a few hiccups |
| 20:43.11 | Ephexeve | supercowpowers: but for the rest all working fine? |
| 20:43.15 | jhutchins_wk | Ephexeve: You should reconsider your requirements in the light of the patching that is done to "older" packages in stable. |
| 20:43.24 | supercowpowers | some VPNs work fine, some appear to but don't so I use vpnc |
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| 20:43.41 | zelrik | where are screenshots saved |
| 20:43.48 | Ephexeve | jhutchins_wk: damn.. I must say, as a arch user I got VERY pissed because python3 became default |
| 20:43.52 | Ephexeve | too much problems |
| 20:43.55 | supercowpowers | there's nothing inherently wrong with testing, keep in mind you won't get security patches though if that matters to you |
| 20:43.58 | Ephexeve | did gnome3 also go to testing? |
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| 20:44.06 | supercowpowers | yes |
| 20:44.12 | supercowpowers | gnome3 is testing |
| 20:44.14 | Ephexeve | supercowpowers: what are we talking about security? of what kind? |
| 20:44.19 | Ephexeve | (I study security) |
| 20:44.33 | supercowpowers | Ephexeve: security patches through apt... |
| 20:45.02 | supercowpowers | #deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free #deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 20:45.05 | supercowpowers | like thath |
| 20:45.11 | Ephexeve | Hmmmmmmmmm I see |
| 20:45.13 | Ephexeve | Fu** |
| 20:45.25 | Ephexeve | well, can't I download the patched and aplly them? |
| 20:45.26 | supercowpowers | not available to testing, only stable |
| 20:45.27 | Ephexeve | *apply |
| 20:45.42 | jhutchins_wk | Ephexeve: See above about mixing releases. |
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| 20:45.57 | supercowpowers | what are you going to use it for? |
| 20:46.05 | jhutchins_wk | I think people used to do that more with pinning, but it's pretty deprecated these days. |
| 20:46.20 | supercowpowers | stuff happens once in a while in testing that will break your system |
| 20:46.22 | Ephexeve | supercowpowers: I need Python 2.7 mostly |
| 20:46.29 | jhutchins_wk | Most systems where people started out mixing relases/distros that I've seen have ended up doing a clean install. |
| 20:46.30 | supercowpowers | X might decide not to load one day after an upgrade |
| 20:46.32 | Ephexeve | supercowpowers: I cannot work with 2.6 |
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| 20:46.53 | LifeSF | no way to boot a debian-based disk with a floppy bootdisk? |
| 20:46.56 | Ephexeve | even though I think it's redicolous for squeeze to import Python 3 and not python 2.7 |
| 20:47.32 | supercowpowers | Ephexeve: if your ONLY concern is python I'd say either apt-pin it or build it yourself and make a .deb out of it |
| 20:47.37 | supercowpowers | and then dpkg -i it |
| 20:47.57 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions python |
| 20:47.59 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.2-3; squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3~rc2-1; sid: 2.7.3-2 |
| 20:48.01 | Ephexeve | supercowpowers: problem is installing from pin it will overwrite 2.6 |
| 20:48.24 | Ephexeve | so then I am screewed, installing Python from source never works properly, there are stuff which won't work |
| 20:48.27 | jhutchins_wk | Ephexeve: The problem is a lot of system stuff uses python. |
| 20:48.32 | Ephexeve | indeed |
| 20:48.42 | Ephexeve | and overwritting 2.6 the system will cry like a baby |
| 20:48.43 | jhutchins_wk | Ephexeve: I believe it's possible to make a parallel installation for special stuff that needs it. |
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| 20:49.09 | Ephexeve | jhutchins_wk: well.. I put testing to my sources.. I have python 2.7 now.. risk it or not? |
| 20:49.21 | Ephexeve | any exxtra arg I can add to it? so I will install the way I want it? |
| 20:49.22 | geggam | LifeSF, used to be you had an entire OS on a floppy http://code.google.com/p/ubuntutrinux/ |
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| 20:49.26 | supercowpowers | Ephexeve: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 20:49.37 | jhutchins_wk | I guess run until it breaks and be VERY careful about doing system upgrades. |
| 20:50.01 | supercowpowers | geggam: did you used to be on chatjunkies? |
| 20:50.06 | geggam | si supercowpowers |
| 20:50.12 | Ephexeve | jhutchins_wk: last time It run untill I closed terminal |
| 20:50.12 | geggam | still am |
| 20:50.13 | Ephexeve | hahah |
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| 20:50.27 | supercowpowers | geggam: is lowkey and jimmiejames still around these days? |
| 20:50.33 | geggam | yes |
| 20:50.47 | supercowpowers | geggam: man I emailed lowkey and he never wrote me back |
| 20:50.52 | geggam | lowkey fell and busted his head... |
| 20:51.04 | supercowpowers | seriously? |
| 20:51.07 | geggam | is still recovering... he was really bad |
| 20:51.10 | geggam | yeah |
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| 20:52.23 | Pinchiukas | Is there a working UPnP/NAT-PMP application in Debian? That'd allow computers behind a NAT to automatically forward ports to themselves. |
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| 20:52.39 | LifeSF | geggam: i remember even win3.11 but the thing is that i'm not positive as to how to manage to boot the CD from a floppy as my bios boot will only allow me to boot either from floppy or HDD |
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| 20:53.01 | Ciphers | abrotman, you around? |
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| 20:54.05 | geggam | boot grub on the floppy LifeSF and use grub to boot the HD |
| 20:54.16 | Ephexeve | ok I am installing it |
| 20:54.20 | Ephexeve | time to F** the system |
| 20:54.24 | geggam | do you have an OS on the HD LifeSF ? |
| 20:54.26 | LifeSF | geggam: to boot the CD you mean? |
| 20:54.30 | LifeSF | yeah i have win98 |
| 20:54.42 | geggam | ok so what is the goal LifeSF ? |
| 20:54.59 | LifeSF | i want to get rid of it and put xPUD ,.. debian based, light and so i can give this pc to people with no money to view their e-mails and search for work etc |
| 20:55.30 | LifeSF | reason is,... you can't put a browser on 98 to even check your e-mail, none will install and none are compatible with the new web |
| 20:55.42 | Ephexeve | debian is telling me it will upgrade libexpat1 |
| 20:55.46 | geggam | LifeSF, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/apas02.html.en |
| 20:55.46 | Ephexeve | is this important? |
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| 20:56.26 | geggam | A.2.2. Floppy |
| 20:56.27 | geggam | If you can't boot from CD, you can download floppy images to install Debian. You need the floppy/boot.img, the floppy/root.img and one or more of the driver disks. |
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| 20:56.51 | LifeSF | geggam: ok, i will do my best with this, thank you very much :) |
| 20:57.16 | geggam | is how we used to do it LifeSF ... it works |
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| 20:58.11 | NonaSuomy | Hi where do you find apt-get install libavcodec-extra-53 |
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| 20:58.21 | NonaSuomy | Running 6.0 |
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| 20:58.29 | NonaSuomy | fresh install |
| 20:58.37 | aidalgol | Isn't there a Q&A about apt and nix? |
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| 20:58.47 | NonaSuomy | E: Unable to locate package libavcodec-extra-53 |
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| 21:00.47 | cortman | I believe you need to add deb-multimedia NonaSuomy |
| 21:00.56 | cortman | to sources.list |
| 21:01.08 | NonaSuomy | thank you cortman I will have a look |
| 21:01.21 | ilyas | Hi I have a problem I can't install any program with apt-get and I have an applet which says me that I have a problem with my kernel --> http://pastebin.com/E5HkzJr1 |
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| 21:11.32 | mroe | can someone explain to me the naming convention behind the package 'nfs-kernel-server'? |
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| 21:11.51 | mroe | There doesn't seem to be an 'nfs-userland-server', or any other 'nfs-*-server' |
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| 21:13.58 | NonaSuomy | hmm cortman I have this already there |
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| 21:14.16 | cortman | apt-get update NonaSuomy ? |
| 21:14.19 | NonaSuomy | # multimedia repository |
| 21:14.21 | NonaSuomy | deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 21:14.21 | NonaSuomy | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
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| 21:14.38 | mrdeb | hi, pls help me set up openbox volume control in rc.xml bec it works with unmute butnot vol up or down |
| 21:15.53 | NonaSuomy | tried that still no luck cortman :/ |
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| 21:16.26 | cortman | why the line for squeeze and sid? |
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| 21:16.46 | cortman | I'll let someone else take over from here... |
| 21:16.56 | sniggles | can someone proof read an xorg.conf I wrote? http://paste.debian.net/183740/ |
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| 21:19.27 | mrdeb | pls help |
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| 21:23.49 | NonaSuomy | cortman not sure but says it right here as well just like that http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ |
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| 21:24.50 | cortman | I don't have my debian box available to test NonaSuomy... |
| 21:25.06 | [SLB] | hid3, i see that the hardinfo utility shows a list of boots history. which file in debian are these informations contained in? |
| 21:25.14 | [SLB] | *hi |
| 21:25.25 | NonaSuomy | ok :/ thx any ways |
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| 21:26.11 | mrdeb | hi |
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| 21:28.48 | NonaSuomy | anyone else around that know about how to get h264 codec in a fresh install of 6.0 |
| 21:29.00 | NonaSuomy | ie libavcodec-extra-53 |
| 21:33.00 | gaim | whats the best free / opensource panel for debian |
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| 21:36.28 | ksk | gaim: whats a panel? |
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| 21:37.15 | ksk | guess things like that are not that popular with a "real admin" |
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| 21:39.02 | rozz_ | Hello. |
| 21:39.18 | rozz_ | I'm trying to backport openjdk 7 to my Debian Stable computer. Could someone help me with this? |
| 21:39.41 | rozz_ | I followed a guide, adding a line to my sources.list file, apt-get updating, and then trying to install the package, but the package could not be found. |
| 21:39.47 | NonaSuomy | cortman found it here deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 21:40.00 | cortman | Backports. |
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| 21:40.04 | cortman | Good to know |
| 21:40.14 | rozz_ | NonaSuomy: Are you addressing me? |
| 21:40.17 | NonaSuomy | just incase some other n00b asks ;) |
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| 21:42.44 | rrrr | Hello folks! |
| 21:42.51 | rrrr | sorry I got disconnected. |
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| 21:43.05 | rrrr | I was asking before about VGA and GRUB |
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| 21:43.28 | rrrr | I couldn't find the menu.lst file from /boot/grub. |
| 21:43.56 | rrrr | Is this the file I need to edit in order to change or add VGA setting for my console resolution? |
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| 21:44.38 | rrrr | ? |
| 21:44.42 | rrrr | what is that? |
| 21:45.12 | jordanm | rrrr: configuration changes should be made in /etc/default/grub, followed by the update-grub command to generate a new grub.cfg |
| 21:45.20 | jordanm | rrrr: it was spam, ignore it |
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| 21:47.26 | rozz_ | What should I do to backport openjdk 7? |
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| 21:48.14 | rrrr | jordanm, then I need to add the VGA command at grub.cfg file? |
| 21:48.21 | Trewas666 | rozz_: can't you just install it somewhere without bothering about packaging? |
| 21:48.56 | rozz_ | Trewas666: I know that I could do that with the proprietary version. How should I do it with the open version? |
| 21:49.43 | Trewas | rozz_: hrm good question, I have always used the sun (now oracle) version |
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| 21:50.54 | Ciphers | anyone can help me with this: http://pastebin.com/uRdTbhX3 |
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| 21:51.19 | rozz_ | Trewas: This is what I found earlier: http://openjdk.java.net/install/ |
| 21:51.27 | rozz_ | Trewas: Whenever I looked to install it. |
| 21:51.30 | Pinchiukas | Is there a working UPnP/NAT-PMP application in Debian? That'd allow computers behind a NAT to automatically forward ports to themselves. |
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| 21:52.50 | rrrr | jordanm, what line I nned to add at this grub file in order tho change my console resolution? |
| 21:53.49 | riddley | I'm trying to move some ruby code that makes SSL connections to various services (that I don't run) to run on Wheezy and none of the SSL connections work. One isn't able to complete the TLS handshake and the other doesn't have much debugging, but the remote side closes the connection so I assume it's a simliar problem. Is my best bet to file a bug? |
| 21:54.52 | Trewas | rozz_: I haven't really looked into it but does the package actually require backporting? it might not need dependencies from testing... though current stable is sufficiently old that maybe that's not going to happen |
| 21:54.58 | jhutchins_wk | riddley: Yes, with whoever provided the ruby code. |
| 21:55.27 | riddley | jhutchins_wk, I don't think it's a ruby problem or a ruby code problem... I think it's an SSL problem |
| 21:55.35 | jhutchins_wk | riddley: "Arbitrary ruby code works on squeeze but not on wheezy" is not a valid debian bug. |
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| 21:55.58 | riddley | jhtutchins_wk thanks for putting words in my mouth |
| 21:56.06 | jhutchins_wk | riddley: If that were true, we would probably see other SSL bugs for wheezy, I'm not aware of any. |
| 21:56.37 | riddley | I've seen several and reported a few |
| 21:56.43 | riddley | one day I'll learn to stop coming here for help |
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| 21:56.54 | jhutchins_wk | riddley: You need to debug the ruby code and see what the actual problem is before you can accurately report it. |
| 21:56.57 | rozz_ | Trewas: It is hard to tell. The file I found on debian's package website was less than 1 MB, so I'm not sure what to do |
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| 21:58.55 | rrrr | I've added vga=791 at /etc/default/grub file and update-grub but nothing happened. I want to have 1024x768 pxls as of screen resolution. |
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| 22:00.16 | gaim | ksk wanted to say control panel |
| 22:00.36 | rozz_ | I'm surprised it isn't easier to get. |
| 22:00.49 | rozz_ | You'd think something like openjava would be an extremely common package |
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| 22:08.14 | cardamon | rozz_: Do you mean openjdk? |
| 22:09.01 | themill | rozz_: backporting openjdk7 is not trivial at all. |
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| 22:09.41 | cardamon | ,v openjdk squeeze |
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| 22:09.43 | judd | No package named 'openjdk' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 22:09.47 | cardamon | ,v openjdk wheezy |
| 22:09.49 | judd | No package named 'openjdk' was found in wheezy/i386. |
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| 22:10.12 | Ciphers | anyone? http://pastebin.com/uRdTbhX3 |
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| 22:11.17 | themill | Ciphers: where's this netio init script from? |
| 22:11.20 | cardamon | Ahah! |
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| 22:11.32 | cardamon | ,v openjdk-6-jdk squeeze |
| 22:11.33 | judd | Package: openjdk-6-jdk on i386 -- squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze1 |
| 22:11.36 | cardamon | There it is. |
| 22:11.49 | Ciphers | themill, frankly, i don't know :/ |
| 22:12.10 | Ciphers | themill, our server is down, running posfix with clamav |
| 22:12.23 | Ciphers | clamav caused that issue i guess |
| 22:12.44 | themill | Ciphers: no, clamav isn't responsible, the init scripts that don't have headers are |
| 22:13.27 | themill | Ciphers: similarly, where's this "jailkit" init script from? Perhaps pastebin them as that might give us some clues |
| 22:14.02 | Ciphers | themill, you mean i should do find? |
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| 22:14.30 | themill | Ciphers: pastebin the contents of /etc/init.d/netio and /etc/init.d/jailkit |
| 22:14.49 | Ciphers | themill, sure, one min |
| 22:17.41 | Ciphers | themill, here you go: http://pastebin.com/V9WqeHUp |
| 22:17.47 | Ciphers | themill, http://pastebin.com/QR1BVxhg |
| 22:18.47 | rozz_ | cardamon and themill: Yes, that's what I meant. |
| 22:19.10 | rozz_ | I think I might have to uninstall openjdk6 and then just install regular java 7 |
| 22:19.18 | NChief | !beginner |
| 22:19.18 | rozz_ | I don't want to spend hours and hours on this |
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| 22:20.24 | themill | Ciphers: I can't tell you anything about either of them. They're both running things that are not in any debian package. You or some other admin on that box has created them. You need to add the appropriate LSB tags to the tops of the scripts so that insserv can order them correctly. |
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| 22:20.28 | themill | dpkg: tell Ciphers about missing lsb tags |
| 22:20.52 | cardamon | rozz_: You don't have to uninstall one to run the other. |
| 22:21.19 | cardamon | rozz_: I have both installed, side by side. update-java-alternatives handles changing symlinks over. |
| 22:21.30 | Ciphers | themill, i see, so no hope? :/ |
| 22:21.49 | rozz_ | cardamon: I thought that, but I wasn't sure if it would mess stuff up. So I can just install java 7 normally and use it as a temporary but effective patch for the problem? |
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| 22:22.06 | cardamon | rozz_: What problem? |
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| 22:22.27 | rozz_ | cardamon: problem = not being able to use some other application because I need java 7 |
| 22:22.33 | cardamon | rozz_: Honestly, unless you're running squeeze and don't want to backport, there's not reason not to go with 7 over 6. |
| 22:22.38 | themill | Ciphers: eh? plenty of hope. You need to edit those two files. |
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| 22:23.05 | rozz_ | cardamon: But some said earlier "backporting openjdk7 is not trivial at all." |
| 22:23.08 | themill | rozz_: what's requiring java 7? |
| 22:23.14 | rozz_ | cardamon: I couldn't figure out how to do it very well |
| 22:23.22 | rozz_ | cardamon: And I am new to backporting |
| 22:23.22 | cardamon | Then run 7. Some pull 6 in as dependencies, but once they're satisified, jdk7 will work just as well. |
| 22:23.29 | Ciphers | themill, the problem is editing those files are beyond my knowledge, that's why i said no hope :/ |
| 22:23.33 | rozz_ | themill: A mod or several mods for minecraft server |
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| 22:24.09 | cardamon | The way Java is managed, it has full legacy support due to the fact that it always extends classes rather than replaces them. |
| 22:24.19 | rozz_ | cardamon: Okay, so just to get this straight: If you were in my shoes you would install regular java 7? |
| 22:24.25 | cardamon | Yes. |
| 22:24.26 | rozz_ | isn't actually wearing shoes. |
| 22:24.29 | rozz_ | Okay, thanks. |
| 22:24.30 | rozz_ | :D |
| 22:24.32 | cardamon | Neither am I. |
| 22:25.15 | rozz_ | Thanks everyone! :) |
| 22:26.01 | themill | Ciphers: I reckon that as a first approximation, you could grab the first 11 lines of /etc/init.d/networking and use them. Change the Provides and Description lines. |
| 22:27.44 | Ciphers | themill, that's a cool hint, thanks man, i will try with it |
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| 22:30.34 | krababbel | Hi, why won't adding net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max = 2097152 to /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf work? |
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| 22:31.03 | krababbel | It won't work if I add a line to /etc/rc.local either. |
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| 22:36.34 | rawburt | I wrote a firewall init script, found at http://pastebin.com/HAhk3yfp, it's purpose is to take a list of iptables command in a file /etc/firewall.conf that has structure and comments. my question is about the init info, specifcally default-start and default-stop. again this script calls on a bunch of iptables commands from a file. |
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| 22:41.51 | tharkun | rawburt: ok your script is slow, take a look at iptables-save and iptables-restore and also take a look at /etc/network/if-pre-up.d that shuld give you a better way of implementing iptables and ip6tables upon startup |
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| 22:47.32 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.40 | rawburt | tharkun: thanks |
| 22:49.32 | tharkun | np |
| 22:49.35 | rawburt | tharkun: I've taken on this method for simplicity in administering machines I don't have a console to |
| 22:50.02 | rawburt | is there any chance you could directly comment on my question? if you did I would appreciate it greatly. |
| 22:50.51 | rawburt | whereas I definitely agree there might be better ways, I want to improve this method as it ties into some other automatation. |
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| 22:51.41 | rawburt | if I abandon my /etc/firewall.conf and use iptables-save or the pre-ups I would have to rewrite some other scripts. |
| 22:52.05 | rawburt | which I'm in the process of doing. |
| 22:52.06 | tharkun | rawburt: ok i find the if-preup model far better than yours for security reasons as well as the ability to have the full iptables.conf file with the full set of rules |
| 22:52.29 | tharkun | goes pasting some stuff |
| 22:52.59 | rawburt | please don't waste your time |
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| 22:54.08 | rrrr | Hey guys, could someone give me an assistance to set grub setting to a higher resolution please? |
| 22:54.25 | rrrr | I am following this tutorial: http://www.intdblog.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html |
| 22:54.33 | rrrr | But I am quite lost on it. |
| 22:54.40 | rrrr | could someone help me please? |
| 22:55.09 | rawburt | isn't there a vgamode directive? |
| 22:55.45 | tharkun | rawburt: http://paste.debian.net/183769/ just made it up for your entertainment |
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| 22:58.29 | tharkun | rawburt: As you can see the script only loads the apropiate iptables set which is all in one place, easily editable and easily loadable with a simle iptables -F ; /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/firewall |
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| 22:59.30 | tharkun | you can add an aditional script to /etc/init.d so you can manage your ruleset through there but then I don't think it makes managing a firewall more efficient |
| 22:59.31 | rawburt | tharkun: definitely a new way of thinking about things |
| 23:00.12 | rrrr | Ok guys, I got it. Thank you anyways. |
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| 23:00.40 | tharkun | rawburt: firewalls are in most cases custom built to fit the specific needs of a piece of hw. |
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| 23:03.39 | tharkun | rawburt: BTW that port 22 ruleset will avoid you having fail2ban monitor port 22 most efective when you use keys to login |
| 23:04.03 | rawburt | interesting |
| 23:04.06 | rawburt | thank you |
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| 23:04.51 | tharkun | rawburt: yw but really nothing fancy all is inside man iptables :) |
| 23:05.05 | rawburt | tharkun: yep |
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| 23:05.17 | rawburt | but still, your efforts are very much appreciated |
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| 23:13.08 | harovali | hi, in a harddrive sector 800288464 is failing. Is there a way to tell which file is there ? |
| 23:13.15 | harovali | ext4 |
| 23:13.26 | jordanm | yes |
| 23:13.43 | jordanm | harovali: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html |
| 23:13.52 | harovali | jordanm: thanks |
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| 23:20.19 | Daskreech | hello |
| 23:20.34 | Daskreech | I'm trying to install postgresql 8.3 from oldstable |
| 23:20.50 | Daskreech | Is there a recommended way to setup the sources.list? |
| 23:23.05 | nkuttler | Daskreech: for local dev? |
| 23:23.18 | Daskreech | yes |
| 23:23.33 | nkuttler | just install an oldstable vm? |
| 23:23.56 | nkuttler | Daskreech: /msg dpkg lenny sources.list |
| 23:24.06 | jagginess | Daskreech, oldstable? huh? |
| 23:24.21 | nkuttler | Daskreech: or try to forward-port it |
| 23:24.37 | nkuttler | Daskreech: like in /msg dpkg ssbp |
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| 23:26.10 | Daskreech | jagginess: lenny |
| 23:26.52 | streuner | what makes you think, thats a good idea? |
| 23:27.50 | nkuttler | sometimes you need to dev for stuff in other distros.. |
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| 23:28.33 | streuner | nkuttler: didnt ask you |
| 23:28.59 | nkuttler | streuner: didn't ask for your feedback either.. welcome to communication |
| 23:29.15 | Daskreech | streuner: need to migrate some data from an old database |
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| 23:31.09 | streuner | Daskreech: how about to use an virtual box and install lenny, and use that |
| 23:31.24 | themill | pg_dump from newer releases should be able to do that migration for you |
| 23:31.46 | Daskreech | streuner: OK |
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| 23:31.59 | Daskreech | themill: been trying but it's being problematic |
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| 23:32.48 | Daskreech | but as I understand it still needs the database version installed |
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| 23:42.20 | daemon | is there anyway to mark a package as 'never install' |
| 23:42.27 | daemon | as a dep or otherwise |
| 23:42.33 | streuner | hold? |
| 23:42.42 | streuner | daemon, /msg dpkg hold |
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| 23:47.57 | Ciphers | can anyone here paste his /etc/init.d/netio and /etc/init.d/jailkit |
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| 23:49.12 | docgnome | ChrisH: I figured out my problem |
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| 23:50.50 | docgnome | ChrisH: in my iptables config i was doing some nat stuff and i had to adjust that |
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| 23:55.31 | esing | hi |
| 23:55.39 | esing | ho do i leave vim out of insert mode? |
| 23:56.11 | docgnome | esing: hit escape |
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| 23:56.28 | esing | nothing improving |
| 23:56.30 | esing | same siutation hmm |
| 23:56.41 | esing | at the bottom is written ---insert--- |
| 23:56.55 | docgnome | and hitting escape doesn't change tiat? |
| 23:56.57 | docgnome | *that |
| 23:57.10 | esing | hm no |
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| 23:59.52 | AcidRain | hax |
| 23:59.58 | esing | i just quitted the terminal now |
