| 00:00.13 | esing | ggVG<c-ins> |
| 00:00.15 | esing | ggVG works |
| 00:00.24 | esing | but what does <c-ins> mean? |
| 00:00.40 | esing | i want to copy the whole text to my clipboard(windows) |
| 00:00.49 | esing | ctrl+c doesnt work |
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| 00:02.09 | esing | <C-A><C-C> neither familiar to me |
| 00:03.41 | Diopter | esing: Sounds like you're trying to copy something from vim. |
| 00:04.00 | esing | yep , want to copy the whole txt to my win clipboard |
| 00:04.06 | esing | i figured out that C stands for control |
| 00:04.19 | Diopter | esing: vim or gvim? Is it in a terminal? |
| 00:04.23 | esing | vim |
| 00:04.25 | esing | yes termianl |
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| 00:04.31 | esing | (SSH) |
| 00:04.33 | tharkun | esing: using putty? |
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| 00:04.37 | esing | yep |
| 00:04.58 | Diopter | esing: Then you'll have to highlight the text you want to copy using PuTTY's facilities, not vim's. |
| 00:05.00 | tharkun | higlight text and use your right button to paste |
| 00:05.23 | tharkun | esing: actually a putty isue ;) |
| 00:06.35 | esing | oh that's bad |
| 00:06.52 | caravel | esing: I think putty lets you log your session to a local text file, too -- in which case you'd just cat it |
| 00:06.55 | caravel | hi all |
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| 00:09.51 | NetEcho | Hi I am running wheezy, fresh install, I have a ATI Radeon X1400M and whatever video drivers got installed (I'm thinking generic) is causing the LCD go snowy like an old school CRT tv, is there anything I can do to sort this out? |
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| 00:16.43 | NetEcho | ok lets try a different approach. where is the xorg.conf in Wheezy? |
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| 00:17.19 | esing | caravel uhm, now I just cp the file to apache2 and accessed it through firefox txt view :) |
| 00:17.41 | r0tha | not sure if anyone is a lil wayne fan but wheezy always makes me think this ha |
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| 00:18.48 | tdrusk | NetEcho: Does not exist unless created |
| 00:19.07 | tdrusk | NetEcho: Would be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf I believe |
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| 00:19.52 | NetEcho | tdrusk ah, any ideas how to trouble shoot this flickering? |
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| 00:20.03 | krababbel | Why won't adding net.ipv4.netfilter.ip_conntrack_max = 2097152 to /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf work? It won't work if I add a line to /etc/rc.local either. I can issue those commands manually after I login, but I'd like this to happen automatically at boot. Anyone changin conntrack_max at boot? |
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| 00:22.00 | tdrusk | NetEcho: Maybe get arandr and mess with settings using arandr(frontend to xrandr) |
| 00:22.34 | NetEcho | what is arandr? |
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| 00:25.49 | NetEcho | tdrusk Thanks, it seems default resolution set by the installer was too high for my laptop |
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| 00:27.26 | NetEcho | lowered it by 1 and no flicker and not even the odd brightness screw ups I was having before |
| 00:29.39 | caravel | NetEcho: being curious, what resolution before/after ? |
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| 00:30.27 | NetEcho | 1680x1050 / 1400x1050 |
| 00:30.58 | NetEcho | actually still getting the odd flicker, I'll prolly back it off again |
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| 00:32.33 | NetEcho | oh god, trying to scale back up ticked it off |
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| 00:33.49 | NetEcho | well it was working at 1400x1050, but now after trying a lower resolution it gets much worse at 1400x1050 |
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| 00:34.14 | NetEcho | almost unusable |
| 00:34.21 | caravel | NetEcho: checked refresh param ? |
| 00:34.34 | NetEcho | caravel it only offers 60hz |
| 00:34.41 | caravel | NetEcho: right :) |
| 00:34.42 | NetEcho | I'll try restarting X |
| 00:35.10 | NetEcho | ouch even worse |
| 00:35.15 | caravel | NetEcho: I'd check the hardware spec and try declare it static in xorg conf |
| 00:35.33 | NetEcho | caravel not sure how to do that, I do know it's no longer supported by fglrx |
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| 00:36.57 | caravel | NetEcho: just search for "Screen0 DefaultDepth YOURHARDWAREMODEL" and you might find someone who has definie a good one :) |
| 00:37.02 | caravel | defined* |
| 00:37.58 | NetEcho | my laptop was offered with a few different display options though so it might be a tad off |
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| 00:39.26 | NetEcho | caravel I've found this |
| 00:39.27 | NetEcho | http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Dell_Inspiron_6400 |
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| 00:42.27 | NetEcho | or this from lenny http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Inspiron6400/lenny?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Xorg.conf_Lenny_DellInspiron6400.txt |
| 00:42.49 | caravel | NetEcho: I haven't looked in depth into all options, but at first glance it lacks the specific display def you'd be looking for... if that's the culprit (the gentoo one) |
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| 00:43.20 | caravel | I haven0t studied all that stuff for a long time, couple of years I mean |
| 00:43.41 | NetEcho | so do I copy the whole config into /etc/X11/xorg.conf or just part of it? |
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| 00:44.26 | caravel | same thing : what I'd be looking for is a Section "Monitor" with your specifics |
| 00:44.31 | caravel | but I might be wrong |
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| 00:45.04 | caravel | and, no, you shouldn't copy "the whole thing", you should take time to look at each param and understand if it's suit your need... |
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| 00:45.32 | NetEcho | caravel seems its set to use fglrx though which won't work |
| 00:45.49 | NetEcho | fglrx discontinued support for my card |
| 00:46.18 | NetEcho | err nm |
| 00:47.22 | caravel | NetEcho: what's your gpu ? lspci | grep VGA |
| 00:48.04 | NetEcho | 1 moment |
| 00:48.33 | NetEcho | apparently stopping GDM3 has froze my system :@ |
| 00:48.48 | NetEcho | oh yea thats because the wifi manager is dependant on it |
| 00:49.11 | NetEcho | was SSHed in |
| 00:49.17 | caravel | "ATI Radeon X1400M" you wrote ? here it's says Intel http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Inspiron6400/lenny but I guess there are variants indeed |
| 00:49.22 | NetEcho | yea |
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| 00:49.24 | caravel | right :) |
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| 00:50.49 | caravel | NetEcho: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/insp6400/index.html |
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| 00:51.56 | NetEcho | caravel unfortunatly almost every guide out there is useless because they depend on the fglrx driver |
| 00:52.03 | NetEcho | fglrx worked amazing when it was supported |
| 00:52.05 | caravel | # The monitor's ID string is bogus, so I faked it. |
| 00:52.07 | caravel | http://www.math.ucla.edu/~jimc/insp6400/xorg.conf |
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| 00:53.01 | NetEcho | I shall fiddle |
| 00:53.01 | yepperz | Hi. |
| 00:53.09 | yepperz | Anyone here for technical support? |
| 00:53.25 | caravel | NetEcho: I'dtry just the section Monitor, Modes and Screen (adjust as required) |
| 00:53.44 | caravel | yepperz: just ask your question, if anyone can (s)he will answer |
| 00:54.26 | caravel | NetEcho: and well, I doubt you can avoid a Device section if you define a Screen :D |
| 00:54.52 | caravel | but that "bogus" ID string could be the only cause of your issues, with hope |
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| 00:55.27 | caravel | selfnote : I've never seen such an extended xorg.conf :D |
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| 00:55.51 | caravel | NetEcho: keep it very minimal, just the miimum to force your Monitor section |
| 00:56.22 | NetEcho | well I did a Xorg -configure which tried to auto-detect so I'll change the settings I need |
| 00:56.32 | caravel | yeah |
| 00:56.38 | caravel | just the Monitor |
| 00:57.15 | caravel | there you can copy/paste that section, not sure about the first Option line thou |
| 00:58.06 | caravel | I'd try without it, to start with it's just a matter to attempt restarting Xorg while forcing the sync/displaysize/vertrefresh, as well as the modeline |
| 00:58.22 | caravel | Hence just the Monitor and Modes |
| 00:59.10 | caravel | NetEcho: I'll cross fingers for ya :) |
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| 00:59.59 | caravel | (and for these, which driver don't matter) |
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| 01:03.50 | NetEcho | caravel: fatal server error: no screens found (this was while issuing X -config /root/xorg.conf.new) |
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| 01:05.40 | NetEcho | caravel: seems to also dislike Modeline "1680x1050" 122.0 1680 1712 1776 1904 1050 1051 1054 1066 |
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| 01:06.07 | caravel | hmm, can you paste your xorg.conf somewhere so I can see it ? |
| 01:06.43 | caravel | NetEcho: ^^ |
| 01:06.57 | NetEcho | no network connection on that machine without X |
| 01:07.09 | NetEcho | it's wifi with WPA2 |
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| 01:08.12 | NetEcho | ah |
| 01:08.14 | NetEcho | there we go |
| 01:08.19 | NetEcho | missed a number |
| 01:08.31 | NetEcho | now I've got a black screen lol |
| 01:09.08 | NetEcho | I'll reboot and see how it goes |
| 01:09.37 | NetEcho | oh I suppose I need to make the new config default somehow? |
| 01:11.29 | caravel | just name it xorg.conf NetEcho |
| 01:11.37 | NetEcho | in /etc/X11 right? |
| 01:11.49 | caravel | yup, rename others as .backup_whatever |
| 01:12.01 | NetEcho | no other by default |
| 01:12.19 | NetEcho | launching gdm3 |
| 01:12.21 | caravel | paste it somewhere, maybe I'd see something |
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| 01:12.38 | NetEcho | hrm so far so good |
| 01:12.51 | NetEcho | ack |
| 01:13.04 | caravel | .. ? |
| 01:13.04 | NetEcho | horrible flickering, worse than ever |
| 01:13.38 | NetEcho | now I'm down to 1280x1024 |
| 01:13.56 | NetEcho | guarenteed if I go down to a lower resolution and back up it'll make 1280x1024 unusable too |
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| 01:15.27 | NetEcho | which means either I install an older version of debian that supports fglrx or go back to using something else |
| 01:15.33 | caravel | NetEcho: don't you want to paste your current .conf online ? |
| 01:16.08 | NetEcho | oh sorry |
| 01:16.17 | NetEcho | didn't have network connectivitiy until a minute ago |
| 01:17.45 | NetEcho | caravel I'm not sure it's even using the new conf though |
| 01:18.06 | NetEcho | because nothing has changed |
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| 01:18.34 | NetEcho | caravel: http://pastebin.com/Hxw8e6x8 |
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| 01:24.34 | NetEcho | caravel: any ideas? |
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| 01:25.46 | Zer000 | Good afternoon. I need help getting hardware accelerated video to work for me. I like to watch high def video and despite a quad core cpu, 1080p is sometimes choppy in mplayer. It seems that I have an 8600gs and am using nouveau drivers. It seems that I don't have vdpau. vdpauinfo gives me this: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nouveau.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 01:26.27 | Zer000 | whoops - typing error there, I hope it still makes sense ^ |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | using what? |
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| 01:30.34 | caravel | NetEcho: just a sec more |
| 01:31.01 | NetEcho | caravel I'm pondering installing ubuntu and seeing how it configures X since I didn't have the flicker when ubuntu was running |
| 01:31.28 | caravel | NetEcho: are you sure about your monitor's hardware spec, btw ? is it 1680x1050 ? |
| 01:31.42 | NetEcho | caravel thats what the sample file for the X1300 showed |
| 01:32.09 | NetEcho | I'm thinking ubuntu might have to be do for now since I have about an hour before I have to leave for work :( |
| 01:32.11 | caravel | I'm talking about hardware specs, user manual... :) |
| 01:32.34 | NetEcho | caravel user manual? lol this thing is 6 - 7 years old |
| 01:32.43 | NetEcho | and so many different variations to it |
| 01:33.09 | NetEcho | thats what you get for doing custom options I guess |
| 01:33.31 | NetEcho | I wish I had the cash to get a new laptop |
| 01:33.56 | caravel | NetEcho: try this minimal one http://pastebin.com/cSmGPRU2 |
| 01:33.57 | NetEcho | next system will have hardware that isn't supported by non-free drivers |
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| 01:34.19 | NetEcho | caravel k |
| 01:34.25 | caravel | NetEcho: it's reported to work with the opensource one, radeon |
| 01:34.51 | NetEcho | wouldn't the Ubuntu LiveCD configure X on it's own? |
| 01:35.06 | caravel | NetEcho: otherwise, maybe cayalyst 9.3 can be installed on your system (that's the last version supporting your hardware if I get this right ) |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:35.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 01:35.22 | caravel | NetEcho: no idea, ask #ubuntu :) |
| 01:35.39 | NetEcho | if it does we can steal the config :D |
| 01:35.59 | caravel | abrotman: wtf :D :D .D |
| 01:36.30 | NetEcho | lol |
| 01:36.36 | NetEcho | Arrogant Worms! |
| 01:37.24 | caravel | NetEcho: I'm surely NOT the best help for you on this matter, far to be. And it's pretty quiet here at this time (miffle of the night in Europe, evening in the US...) |
| 01:37.38 | caravel | NetEcho: but try my Test 1 first please :) |
| 01:37.58 | NetEcho | caravel 1 sec just snagging the log from Ubuntu then booting back to deb |
| 01:38.20 | caravel | middle* |
| 01:38.58 | NetEcho | not a huge fan of ubuntu but it is close enough to debian that it might be able to help :D |
| 01:39.26 | caravel | pastebin the whole /var/log/messages if the display was good with it, that might help indeed (who knows..) |
| 01:39.32 | NetEcho | indeed :D |
| 01:39.38 | caravel | and the Xorg.log too |
| 01:40.08 | NetEcho | pastbining Xorg.log now |
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| 01:40.48 | caravel | but my bet is, if you had come here in the EU afternoon time, you'd have had apropriate help very fast :) |
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| 01:41.06 | NetEcho | heh |
| 01:41.31 | caravel | it's just that there's a fire around, can't sleep with the firefighters and police all around :D |
| 01:41.50 | NetEcho | caravel: pastebin.com/zGcrYxyp |
| 01:42.29 | NetEcho | oh |
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| 01:42.56 | NetEcho | nm thought I was on to something there |
| 01:43.31 | NetEcho | no /var/log/messages |
| 01:44.32 | NetEcho | that should shed some light :D |
| 01:45.07 | caravel | ok so it's using the radeon driver, and it spits mdelines too.,, |
| 01:45.20 | caravel | tried Test 1 yet NetEcho ? |
| 01:45.28 | NetEcho | rebooting now |
| 01:45.49 | NetEcho | it's a bit slow heh |
| 01:45.59 | caravel | NetEcho: yeah, I think they split the messages one iirc |
| 01:46.31 | NetEcho | so just that config in xorg.conf? |
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| 01:48.08 | NetEcho | caravel should I also use those split lines? |
| 01:50.51 | sambagirl | can you install debian on an iphone? |
| 01:51.16 | NetEcho | sure you can but you'd lose all functionality of the phone |
| 01:52.01 | sambagirl | well heck i;ve lost it with this 5.1.1 update anyway. |
| 01:52.15 | Diopter | ... how so? |
| 01:52.18 | sambagirl | but ok i see there is some project call idroid let me check with them. |
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| 01:52.31 | caravel | sambagirl: there are debian packages afaik, but haven't tested that yet -- I have a freerunner... |
| 01:52.34 | sambagirl | all it does is search. i went to apple store and well forget that experience. |
| 01:52.41 | sambagirl | freerunner? |
| 01:52.51 | caravel | just search for gta02 |
| 01:52.54 | sambagirl | brb let me search for it |
| 01:52.56 | caravel | openmoko |
| 01:53.00 | NetEcho | every test I've seen on the iphone yields a phone that doesn't do phone tasks lol |
| 01:53.02 | sambagirl | ohh open moko |
| 01:53.04 | caravel | it's a phone |
| 01:53.06 | sambagirl | i remember them |
| 01:53.12 | sambagirl | yes they sell the phones too. |
| 01:53.15 | sambagirl | yes let me check brb |
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| 01:53.23 | caravel | and there are debian distros for it, that'd be a start |
| 01:53.24 | NetEcho | caravel trying the test |
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| 01:53.30 | sambagirl | really? |
| 01:53.51 | caravel | yup, look at openmoko.org for a list of distros |
| 01:54.03 | NetEcho | caravel still have a slight flicker but it's a lot better |
| 01:54.04 | caravel | but I have NO idea if you can install any of these on an iPhone :) |
| 01:54.10 | abrotman | on an iphone? doubt it |
| 01:54.18 | NetEcho | android phone yes |
| 01:54.19 | caravel | NetEcho: ok, let's adjust from your log :) |
| 01:54.31 | NetEcho | iPgone you can but you end up with a terminal that requires a keyboard outside of the phone |
| 01:54.40 | NetEcho | caravel brb |
| 01:54.57 | sambagirl | ohh |
| 01:55.03 | sambagirl | haha a keyboard :D |
| 01:55.11 | sambagirl | i probably would need to carry a mouse too. |
| 01:55.27 | sambagirl | laughs at the thought of a keyboard and a mouse to use the phone :D |
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| 01:56.33 | caravel | NetEcho: ok, try that then when you can http://pastebin.com/qWV3xkhp |
| 01:57.01 | caravel | NetEcho: all I did was porting your values for modeline, vertrefresh and displaysize. Minimal is good :) |
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| 01:58.20 | NetEcho | caravel trying now |
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| 02:01.01 | NetEcho | caravel: worse |
| 02:01.09 | caravel | hmm |
| 02:01.18 | NetEcho | much worse actually |
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| 02:01.25 | caravel | stick with "Test 1" then for now :) |
| 02:01.58 | caravel | can you paste your Xorg.log NetEcho ? |
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| 02:02.18 | caravel | just would like to check if the modules are auto-loaded, as we didn't call them explicitely |
| 02:02.55 | NetEcho | can't open it apparently |
| 02:03.20 | sambagirl | one last question if you jailbreak an iphone do you lose all your data? |
| 02:03.22 | caravel | NetEcho: need to be root maybe ? |
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| 02:03.45 | djzn | is debian done with the dilema XFCE vs. GNOME 3 |
| 02:04.10 | caravel | sambagirl: ask some other chan, #iphone if that exists maybe :) but I'd backup anyway |
| 02:04.27 | sambagirl | they NEVER reply neither in #apple or #mac |
| 02:04.29 | sambagirl | grr |
| 02:04.30 | sambagirl | ok |
| 02:04.37 | NetEcho | caravel apparently gedit dislikes it lol |
| 02:04.51 | caravel | NetEcho: *sighs* :D |
| 02:05.02 | caravel | NetEcho: do NOT run X apps as root :) |
| 02:05.12 | caravel | NetEcho: use packages like pastebinit |
| 02:05.14 | NetEcho | no need for superuser |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | sambagirl: i feel like google shuld be able to answer this |
| 02:05.23 | NetEcho | other editors can see it as regular user |
| 02:05.35 | NetEcho | gedit just apparently cant read log files lol |
| 02:05.48 | NetEcho | caravel: http://pastebin.com/EBdccfnd |
| 02:06.58 | NetEcho | switching back to semi-working config lol |
| 02:08.02 | caravel | NetEcho: ok, so they're loaded (dri and dri2, I was after) The modelines look a little different too but I won't be able to help better, sorry, I'm really not the right guy |
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| 02:08.24 | NetEcho | caravel thanks for trying :) |
| 02:08.42 | caravel | NetEcho: stick with this if it doesn't hurt your eyes, just come back when it's more crowded with more useful folks than me |
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| 02:08.52 | caravel | NetEcho: plenty of them here usually :) |
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| 02:09.17 | NetEcho | yea it'll probably be crowded while I'm at work lol |
| 02:09.41 | caravel | NetEcho: but you can also try finding the hardware manual from Dell, for your particular equipment |
| 02:09.53 | caravel | NetEcho: modeline data are all in there |
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| 02:10.11 | caravel | (if adjusting these is the only thing you miss) |
| 02:10.17 | NetEcho | can't we just steal the modelines from the Log from ubuntu? |
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| 02:10.30 | caravel | that's what I did in Test 2... |
| 02:10.51 | NetEcho | oh |
| 02:10.54 | caravel | but maybe I did it wrong, don't take my word for it |
| 02:11.15 | caravel | double check, investigate, read Xorg man.. :) |
| 02:11.23 | caravel | and/or come back here ! |
| 02:12.18 | NetEcho | is there maybe a way while in Ubuntu to have it spit all that into a config? |
| 02:13.03 | caravel | NetEcho: I don't think it's any different, earlier I was referring to the var-log-messages |
| 02:13.26 | NetEcho | yea but maybe it has some other settings outside the modelines thats making it work? |
| 02:13.45 | caravel | Xorg conf is dynamic unless specified, as you can see in your latest Xorg.log all we didn't set, were auto-set |
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| 02:14.30 | caravel | what I'd do, would be comparing both Xorg.log with care, and try spotting and understanding differences |
| 02:14.44 | NetEcho | not liking this dynamic configuration at all lol |
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| 02:14.45 | caravel | NetEcho: like the x0x0 after each modeline resolution |
| 02:15.03 | caravel | NetEcho: which you have x60x0 in Debian |
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| 02:15.30 | NetEcho | would Xorg -configure in Ubuntu yield the same results as it's dynamic config? |
| 02:16.10 | caravel | 's eyes are broken, obviouly :) |
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| 02:16.25 | NetEcho | oh? |
| 02:16.39 | abrotman | NetEcho: we can't really answer that .. we don't know how ubuntu's xorg differs from Debian's |
| 02:17.09 | NetEcho | hopefully it does |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | it surely does |
| 02:17.38 | NetEcho | no I mean the command working lol |
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| 02:21.42 | aguitel | i am in kde triyng to enable auto login but it say: unable to autenticate/execute the action ( code:4) why happend this? |
| 02:22.04 | magyar | i am getting this in the df " tmpfs 4.8G 4.8G 264K 100% /tmp" but when I du /tmp i get 180K |
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| 02:25.11 | caravel | NetEcho: there's a difference in dpi : 128 in debian at present, 96 in buntu. Not sure if it can be related to what you see but that might imply a geometry diff, still -- again, I'm all but an expert in this field huh |
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| 02:26.36 | abrotman | what is the problem NetEcho is trying to solve? |
| 02:26.57 | caravel | very ugly flickering by default on an ati card |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | using which driver? and which card? |
| 02:27.47 | caravel | and we made it much better by simply giving a minimalistic xorg.cong as here http://pastebin.com/cSmGPRU2 |
| 02:28.08 | NetEcho | caravel thats the broken one |
| 02:28.19 | caravel | no, that's Test 1 isn't it ? |
| 02:28.23 | NetEcho | err wait |
| 02:28.23 | NetEcho | yea |
| 02:28.30 | abrotman | didn't answer the question .. yay |
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| 02:28.49 | caravel | driver and card are included :) |
| 02:29.10 | abrotman | not much interest in reading that .. it's a simple question |
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| 02:29.35 | caravel | which question abrotman ? |
| 02:30.16 | abrotman | i only asked two |
| 02:30.22 | NetEcho | abrotman horrible flickering on my screen caused by a bad autoconfiguration |
| 02:30.26 | NetEcho | oh |
| 02:30.26 | caravel | I answered two... |
| 02:30.41 | NetEcho | Radeon Driver and ATI Radeon x1400 mobility |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | and which version of Debian? |
| 02:31.02 | aguitel | abrotman, do you see my question? |
| 02:31.02 | NetEcho | Wheezy |
| 02:31.20 | abrotman | aguitel: 42 ? |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | aguitel: i don't use kde |
| 02:31.43 | abrotman | or kdm |
| 02:31.48 | aguitel | abrotman, a ok |
| 02:32.03 | abrotman | aguitel: gdm does auto-login |
| 02:32.13 | aguitel | i know |
| 02:32.43 | caravel | aguitel: #kde might help |
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| 02:40.36 | ManoftheSea | krababbel: what says this? |
| 02:40.46 | krababbel | ManoftheSea: the manual of PA |
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| 02:41.54 | ManoftheSea | put it in the grub.cfg |
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| 02:42.10 | ManoftheSea | modification in /etc/default/grub |
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| 02:53.37 | ManoftheSea | "update-grub" |
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| 03:47.08 | Doobie420 | i have google-chrome-stable installed from the google repo's and the icons disappear when i reboot. any ideas anyone? |
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| 04:27.50 | calzifer | hi, how can i increase my mouse wheel/scroll speed? |
| 04:28.31 | KeatonT | A quick google search says it's currently not supported. |
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| 04:29.05 | calzifer | ok, thank you |
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| 04:42.22 | calzifer | i only have the problem with opera |
| 04:42.28 | calzifer | in chromium the scroll speed is fine |
| 04:42.51 | calzifer | i mean iceweasel... |
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| 04:47.55 | gnarface | calzifer: try changing it with xinput --set-prop ? |
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| 04:49.47 | gnarface | what i want to figure out is how to get my second mouse wheel (the horizontal one) scrolling horizontally in iceweasel |
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| 05:23.15 | _droid | and since it is my first time "making" my own drivers I have some difficulties with it |
| 05:23.19 | _droid | can someone help |
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| 05:35.53 | colun | Hello, Can you help me to package the seahorse plugins for seahorse 3 ? The git repository : http://git.gnome.org/browse/seahorse-nautilus/ |
| 05:35.55 | colun | Thanks. |
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| 06:13.33 | _droid | hi guys, want to install a usb-ethernet adapter who's driver needs to be compiled. i found a link in the internet (http://mquin.livejournal.com/178482.html) but the error messages that I get are not the same |
| 06:13.40 | _droid | could someone help? |
| 06:14.10 | gnarface | _droid: did you check module-assistant ? |
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| 06:17.51 | _droid | gnarface module-assistant? how? |
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| 06:18.18 | _droid | gnarface: module-assistant? how? |
| 06:18.24 | gnarface | _droid: its usually something like m-a a-i [module name] but i'd suggest you read the instructions |
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| 06:20.06 | _droid | gnarface: the readme file is in chinese and i get garbeled up text |
| 06:20.07 | _droid | that is y |
| 06:20.31 | bolt | any suggested way of checking if a your current user password is "foo"? say i make an account for a friend and want a script to bug him until he changes his password to something i don't have |
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| 06:22.57 | _droid | gnarface:this is what i get when issuing make, http://pastebin.com/4VGRMt3m |
| 06:23.50 | _droid | gnarface: line 5 is the one i don't understand y i get that |
| 06:24.11 | gnarface | _droid: did you check the filesystem permissions? |
| 06:24.41 | _droid | gnarface: permissions of the source is : -rwxr-xr-x |
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| 06:24.44 | _droid | and i am root |
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| 06:26.23 | gnarface | _droid: well that error message tells you exactly as much as it tells me |
| 06:26.48 | _droid | gnarface: "nothing" ? :) |
| 06:27.05 | gnarface | _droid: if your driver is available in module-assistant you do not have to do this |
| 06:28.16 | cryptic | what does ::1/128 mean? |
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| 06:28.38 | cryptic | (I'd never ask that type of question, but googling for punctuation is horrible) |
| 06:28.44 | gnarface | hmm |
| 06:28.54 | gnarface | ::1 is ipv6 loopback |
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| 06:29.23 | gnarface | no idea |
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| 06:29.46 | cryptic | thanks gnarface |
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| 06:30.26 | gnarface | cryptic: yea looks like its also the loopback. i'm still vague on ipv6 http://www.ipuptime.net/Loopback.aspx |
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| 06:30.39 | gnarface | cryptic: google punctuation by putting it in quotes like "::1/128" |
| 06:31.06 | cryptic | gnarface that only sometimes works |
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| 06:40.39 | linuxuz3r | i have problems with my lightdm. i have dual monitor setup when i go to login window in lightdm it used to display the interface on my primary display now it is showing on my 2nd display how do i make it so that it only display in the primary monitor and not in the 2nd monitor |
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| 07:04.11 | JCDenton | Does PHP for some reason try and force you to use Apache..? |
| 07:04.32 | gnarface | mod_php does |
| 07:04.40 | gnarface | because its part of apache |
| 07:04.42 | JCDenton | apt-get install php5 php5-xmlrpc php5-mysql php5-imap php5-imagick php5-gd php5-cli |
| 07:04.48 | JCDenton | Is all I installed |
| 07:04.58 | JCDenton | Anything there trigger Apache as a requirement? |
| 07:05.00 | gnarface | mod_php is the default |
| 07:05.03 | JCDenton | :l |
| 07:05.15 | gnarface | so, the one that says 'php5' probably includes it directly |
| 07:05.21 | JCDenton | That was my guess |
| 07:05.27 | JCDenton | So they just like to assume everyone uses Apache |
| 07:05.28 | JCDenton | <_< |
| 07:05.36 | gnarface | no |
| 07:05.55 | gnarface | most people are though |
| 07:06.02 | gnarface | and its php's primary testing target |
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| 07:06.09 | gnarface | you probably want the php5-cgi package |
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| 07:06.22 | gnarface | that will allow you to also use it with lighttpd |
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| 07:06.25 | bintut | waves |
| 07:06.27 | gnarface | or what have you |
| 07:06.31 | JCDenton | NGiNX |
| 07:06.33 | iluminator105 | gnarface, any pointer regarding my calibre error |
| 07:06.40 | JCDenton | I was looking into setting up a NGiNX / PHP-FPM server |
| 07:07.01 | gnarface | iluminator105: sorry i've never even heard of that program |
| 07:07.37 | bintut | any tcpdump gurus here? what is the best way to re-create a pcap file every midnight (00:00H)? |
| 07:07.47 | gnarface | JCDenton: you know you're allowed to have more than one http server installed at once right? |
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| 07:07.59 | JCDenton | gnarface, on different IP's and ports, sure. |
| 07:08.10 | JCDenton | But why would I run Apache if I never intend to use it? |
| 07:08.18 | JCDenton | or even have it installed for that matter? |
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| 07:08.31 | gnarface | i don't know, why would you? |
| 07:08.34 | JCDenton | I don't know |
| 07:08.40 | JCDenton | I don't want it. |
| 07:08.47 | JCDenton | But apparently I can't just apt-get purge it |
| 07:09.00 | gnarface | oh? |
| 07:09.04 | bintut | i know there is the "-G" option which i can count the number of seconds until midnight but i don't think it's the best way to do it because if tcpdump crash or manually killed, it will start the count until the next number of seconds |
| 07:09.07 | JCDenton | Since it doesn't install the apache2 metapackage and trying to purge apache2.2-common or something tries to install something else and it's just one confusing mess |
| 07:09.20 | JCDenton | http://pastie.org/4518407 |
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| 07:09.45 | gnarface | JCDenton: if its confusing then i suggest you just leave apache installed and shut it off |
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| 07:10.11 | JCDenton | http://pastie.org/private/7iugvhgy24yoxhkzrygtcg |
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| 07:10.18 | JCDenton | From start to end |
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| 07:10.46 | JCDenton | also, why doesn't apt-get ask me to confirm before installing? I assume there's a configuration setting for that somewhere |
| 07:11.01 | JCDenton | It does |
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| 07:11.02 | JCDenton | nevermind |
| 07:11.13 | JCDenton | I'm working at 3:20AM and not paying attention to much of what I'm doing |
| 07:11.22 | JCDenton | that's dangerous. |
| 07:11.32 | gnarface | it only prompts for confirmation if the package you requested on the command line will pull in other packages as requirements |
| 07:11.38 | jelly-home | JCDenton: go sleep, fix things when rested |
| 07:12.04 | JCDenton | It did, I just subconciously confirmed it without thinking and didn't even remember doing it |
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| 07:13.16 | djidkov | hi all! why when i run "update-rc.d libvirt-bin defaults 80" result is "S05libvirt-bin"? i want start libvirt after nfs... |
| 07:13.26 | bintut | hello..? |
| 07:13.37 | jelly-home | bintut: you're here! |
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| 07:14.09 | bintut | jelly-home: thanks! i thought i don't have a voice here. :) |
| 07:14.55 | jelly-home | ,depends php5 |
| 07:14.57 | judd | Package php5 in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.3.3-7+squeeze8) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.3.3-7+squeeze8) | php5-cgi (>= 5.3.3-7+squeeze8), php5-common (>= 5.3.3-7+squeeze8). |
| 07:15.02 | gnarface | JCDenton: fyi i think that php5 metapackage will not call in apache if you have something else that provides a httpd or whatever |
| 07:15.32 | gnarface | JCDenton: its just that apache is the default httpd if you don't have one |
| 07:15.43 | jelly-home | JCDenton: apt picks the first possible alternative and goes with it. Avoid installing php5 and choose the real package instead |
| 07:15.47 | gnarface | JCDenton: i could be wrong |
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| 07:15.49 | JCDenton | I have nginx installed, but it's through NGiNX's repositories, so that's likely why. tl;dr this is too much effort and I don't even know why I'm bothering, I'm jut going to shutup and use Apache |
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| 07:16.29 | JCDenton | notes by too much effort he means actually configuring NGiNX for a medium sized forum that doesn't even drive his server load past 2.00 |
| 07:16.39 | gnarface | apache isn't as heavy as its cracked up to be. people load a lot of unnecessary shit then use really crappy unoptimized regexes |
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| 07:16.57 | JCDenton | Yeah, that's generally the impression I've gotten. |
| 07:17.04 | djidkov | i think need edit "Required-Start" in "libvirt-bin" or what? |
| 07:17.07 | gnarface | php itself is gonna dwarf your httpd |
| 07:17.17 | gnarface | especially if its cheap code |
| 07:17.26 | JCDenton | Apache loads static pages quite fast on my current server, so I need to be looking into optimizing the sites software itself more than anything |
| 07:17.37 | JCDenton | I'm likely going to be switching things over to InnoDB for one |
| 07:17.48 | mquin | _droid: Quicker to respond on here than on LJ I guess. The qf9700-dist.tar.gz file is the original shipped code without any fixes. You probably want qf9700-2.6.32.tar.gz instead. |
| 07:17.54 | JCDenton | I don't think switching httpd's will do me any good but likely give me more headaches |
| 07:18.10 | jelly-home | I don't think there's a fpm build of php in squeeze |
| 07:18.51 | _droid | mquin: ok wait ill test that |
| 07:20.03 | cryptic | would -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 12345 -j ACCEPT make sense for postgresql? |
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| 07:20.50 | JCDenton | pgsql uses port 12345? |
| 07:20.59 | JCDenton | I'm guessing that's not default or I'm misreading it |
| 07:21.03 | cryptic | JCDenton I don't know what their default is |
| 07:21.17 | cryptic | I'm just not sure if -m state --state NEW makes sense for pg connections |
| 07:21.50 | jelly-home | cryptic: it makes sense for any tcp connection when conn.tracking is active |
| 07:22.18 | cryptic | ah okay, thank you |
| 07:22.42 | jelly-home | well, any newly established inbound one |
| 07:23.16 | jelly-home | and I suppose you have to allow RELATED and ESTABLISHED states as well to keep it working |
| 07:23.31 | jelly-home | (usually done with a catch-all rule) |
| 07:23.43 | _droid | mquin: ..ok.... that was short AND no errors. what do I do now? |
| 07:23.56 | pfote | JCDenton: default is 5432 |
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| 07:25.22 | mquin | _droid: Copy the .ko file into /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/usb/ then do 'depmod -a && modprobe qf9700' |
| 07:25.25 | JCDenton | ahah, close still. |
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| 07:25.44 | JCDenton | just backwards and minus one digit |
| 07:25.58 | krababbel | jelly-home: maybe separate new from related,established, since less frequent. |
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| 07:27.19 | cryptic | I'm terrified that I'm going to screw up my iptables rule-set and lock myself out of my server |
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| 07:27.47 | JCDenton | Isn't there a safety net of sorts for iptables rules you can use? |
| 07:28.01 | _droid | mquin: thank you for the help, is there any possibility that this driver will be included in the debian kernel so that it works when inserting the adapter |
| 07:28.02 | _droid | ? |
| 07:28.03 | JCDenton | Or you can at least set it to allow all connections from your IP I think |
| 07:28.14 | JCDenton | regardless of your other rules |
| 07:29.18 | mquin | _droid: someone contacted me recently who was keen to try and get it pushed into the mainline kernel but I don't know if they made any progress |
| 07:29.21 | cryptic | JCDenton: I have my own safety net built in--ssh on a non-conventional port allowing traffic from all hosts |
| 07:29.52 | mquin | I'm not involved in kernel development myself nor do I have the time to take ownership of that process myself, so if it happens it'll be down to someone else |
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| 07:30.37 | _droid | mquin: would be a good idea if you would get a status report on that because, it is really worth getting your contribution into debian |
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| 07:31.17 | _droid | mquin: and again thank you for the work on that |
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| 07:33.23 | _droid | mquin: and since i have 2 of these adapters, do i need to copy it and make the whole procedure again? |
| 07:34.35 | mquin | the second one should just work when plugged in |
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| 07:34.54 | mquin | I can't recall if I've actually tried that |
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| 07:35.54 | _droid | mquin: cause i have a 2nd one and plugged it in and got a wierd dmesg entry, rebooting th system now. ill paste the message in a sec |
| 07:36.06 | helena | Okay bash is for some reason kicking anyone who attempts to login to one of the servers out... |
| 07:36.13 | helena | root logins are disabled... |
| 07:36.23 | helena | Is there an SCP client that supports su? |
| 07:37.10 | ChrisH | helena scp and su? do you want to run scp localfile root@remote:/some/where ? |
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| 07:37.26 | linuxuz3r | i have problems with my lightdm. i have dual monitor setup when i go to login window in lightdm it used to display the interface on my primary display now it is showing on my 2nd display how do i make it so that it only display in the primary monitor and not in the 2nd monitor |
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| 07:37.46 | helena | ChrisH: I'm going to attempt ssh user@host /bin/sh |
| 07:38.36 | helena | woah taking some time |
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| 07:39.13 | _droid | mquin: rebooting took a while only when i unplugged the 2nd adapter it finished booting. here is the dmesg entry that i got from the boot: [ 12.404980] eth2: register 'qf9700' at usb-0000:00:1d.2-2, QF9700 USB Ethernet, 00:e0:4c:53:44:58 |
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| 07:41.50 | mquin | that looks like the adapter registering normally |
| 07:42.09 | helena | ChrisH: Root isn't going to work. |
| 07:42.16 | _droid | and here is the one before the reboot:eth2: register 'qf9700' at usb-0000:00:1d.2-1, QF9700 USB Ethernet, 00:e0:4c:53:44:58 |
| 07:42.17 | _droid | [ 391.001099] udev[1791]: renamed network interface eth2 to eth2-eth1 |
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| 07:42.51 | _droid | mquin: and the second adapter doesn't show when at ifconfig |
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| 07:43.22 | mquin | does "ifconfig -a" show it? |
| 07:43.42 | _droid | mquin: kinda, eth2-eth1 |
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| 07:44.31 | mquin | that looks like udev being silly |
| 07:45.18 | _droid | mquin: catting 70-persisten-net... i only have eth1 there and not eth2 |
| 07:45.22 | _droid | as it supposed to be |
| 07:45.39 | ChrisH | helena: if ssh user@host takes time, its a matter of reverse namelookup... normally. ssh root@remote is most times disabled. At least for pw authentication. It can be changed for keybased auth to succeed. |
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| 07:47.06 | _droid | mquin: any suggestions? |
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| 07:48.40 | helena | ChrisH: Okay I'm in with no prompt. |
| 07:48.42 | helena | thanks :3 |
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| 07:48.57 | mquin | _droid: I'd try unloading and reloading (rmmod/modprobe) to see if it enumerates more sensibly, or add entries to the persisant-net rules to give them explicit names |
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| 07:49.26 | mquin | I've seen that eth1-eth2 thing with different hardware but I can't recall what triggered it |
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| 07:50.14 | helena | ChrisH: Heh now I need to figure out how to get su working. lol :D |
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| 07:51.07 | _droid | mquin: rmod?.... or what command is it? |
| 07:51.08 | Clone1 | does anyone have a solution to turn on the wireless in those annoying laptops that require a key combo fn+f3 to activate wireless? |
| 07:51.20 | mquin | "rmmod qf9700" |
| 07:51.58 | _droid | and now insmod? |
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| 07:53.35 | mquin | modprobe qf9700 |
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| 07:55.12 | ChrisH | helena: I still did not understand what you are trying to do. ssh user@host and then when logged in simply su - Otherwise please explain -v |
| 07:55.24 | mquin | _droid: I need to get to work, I'll look back in here in half an hour or so |
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| 07:55.57 | _droid | mquin ifconfig -a still gives me eth2-eth1 and dmesg has this: http://pastebin.com/nm9YefT8 |
| 07:56.10 | _droid | mquin just look at the link |
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| 07:56.32 | _droid | mquin: then leave |
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| 07:57.36 | helena | ChrisH: ssh -o "RequestTTY yes" helena@rosie.bozyakaegitim.gov.tr "/bin/bash --norc" |
| 07:57.40 | helena | That worked! :D |
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| 07:57.44 | helena | I'm now rooted. |
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| 07:58.59 | cryptic | ugh. I guess those settings weren't right, haha |
| 07:59.27 | helena | oooooooo noesss |
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| 07:59.37 | helena | no root has some permission errors. :( |
| 08:00.28 | helena | ChrisH: I'll get there in the end! :3 |
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| 08:01.08 | ChrisH | helena: OK |
| 08:01.57 | helena | ChrisH: It appears when I su root'd |
| 08:02.02 | helena | root then kicked me out |
| 08:02.11 | helena | well bash did with I su'd to root |
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| 08:03.22 | helena | Now to attempt to su into root with the environment as sh |
| 08:03.52 | ChrisH | helena: Sorry I do not understand what you try and what fails. Do you use PW auth or keybased auth? |
| 08:03.55 | helena | YES IM IN! |
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| 08:04.58 | helena | ChrisH: It's /etc/bash.bashrc that's broken. |
| 08:05.04 | helena | I should be about to edit it now. |
| 08:05.23 | helena | FIXED! :D |
| 08:05.29 | helena | ChrisH: Me is a happy bunny! |
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| 08:25.06 | Anakin_ | How can I delete Empathy without crashing Gnome? |
| 08:26.21 | Anakin_ | I installed debian ^ 3 times and every time I delete evolution and Empathy gnome doesnt boot :( |
| 08:27.06 | Anakin_ | well debian 6 doesn't boot i mean |
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| 08:28.31 | themill | "doctor, it hurts when I do this" |
| 08:29.15 | mjt | basic gnome functionality (as in: "booting") does not really depend on neither of these |
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| 08:30.04 | Anakin_ | I know but why I can't dlete them 2 without causing some sort of havoc on the gnome system/ |
| 08:30.06 | Anakin_ | ? |
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| 08:31.57 | Anakin_ | I got why conquror did it cause it was also the file system too but Empathy is just a browser.....so it shouldn't do nothing on debian 6 when I delete it with evolution but it just goes crazy on me ...:( |
| 08:32.29 | gnarface | !pebkac |
| 08:32.29 | dpkg | methinks pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL |
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| 08:34.13 | amcsi_work | hello |
| 08:34.37 | amcsi_work | my END key doesn't take me to the end of the line in PuTTy when I am in screen and $TERM is screen |
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| 08:34.53 | amcsi_work | it does work outside of screen when $TERM is putty-256color |
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| 08:35.42 | gnarface | amcsi_work: screen has crippled line control, don't expect all the same shortcuts |
| 08:35.47 | amcsi_work | no wait, it doesn't work even with putty-256color anymore :/ |
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| 08:36.17 | amcsi_work | no wait, false alarm |
| 08:36.21 | gnarface | try ctrl-a, ctrl-e |
| 08:36.33 | Anakin_ | I even use pakage manager as sudo |
| 08:36.59 | amcsi_work | how do I upgrade openssh on debian? |
| 08:37.09 | Anakin_ | ok well i will go to the gnome chat or i will try KDE |
| 08:37.12 | amcsi_work | I'm having git problems when pushing to a remote server |
| 08:37.43 | gnarface | Anakin_: that may be a good idea. personally i avoid gnome cause its a bloated heap of trash |
| 08:37.44 | amcsi_work | pushing gets stuck. They say I should have openssh 6 :/ I have 5.5 |
| 08:37.54 | Anakin_ | lol |
| 08:38.08 | themill | amcsi_work: "pushing"? "they"? |
| 08:38.23 | gnarface | amcsi_work: did you check in backports? 6.0p1 is in sid currently |
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| 08:38.39 | themill | amcsi_work: there's absolutely nothing wrong with openssh 5.5 and you'd be well advised to stick with what is in stable |
| 08:38.39 | amcsi_work | pushing is when I send my commits to another git server through ssh |
| 08:38.47 | amcsi_work | "they" are some forums |
| 08:39.04 | Anakin_ | Well I will not donate to it now or use it snce the gnome dude was rude to me :/ Next year gnome will have a big gap on their budget :) |
| 08:39.06 | themill | amcsi_work: git push works just fine with openssh in squeeze. Do you really imagine we'd release debian with openssh that didn't work with git push? |
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| 08:39.17 | amcsi_work | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10740601/cannot-push-to-remote-git-repo-over-ssh-stuck-at-writing-objects-11 |
| 08:39.53 | gnarface | Anakin_: like george lucas their best work is when under duress |
| 08:40.01 | _droid | hi guys, have 2 nics that are apparently flashed with the same MAC, is there some way to change that from the os? |
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| 08:40.40 | gnarface | _droid: yes, there is, but i forget how |
| 08:40.47 | mjt | _droid: it depends on the nic, usually you can do that |
| 08:40.57 | Anakin_ | Gnarface what destop do you think be good i like to make it my own and delete and add the application i like ? |
| 08:41.10 | amcsi_work | Hmm, on a server with ssh version 5.3, everything works, on 4.2, it doesn't work, and on this 5.5 it doesn't work... weird. I don't get it :/ |
| 08:41.24 | amcsi_work | this is serious. This is the second time this happens. |
| 08:41.38 | mjt | _droid: ip link set $DEVICE address $ADDRESS |
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| 08:42.13 | gnarface | Anakin_: gnome is a tangled mess of cross-dependencies like windows. KDE isn't much better. I'd say from the problems youre complaining about you would be happy with pretty much any other window manager at all. xfce and lxde are very popular alternatives. i prefer e16 but that's because i'm an old man. |
| 08:42.18 | Anakin_ | What the most "Customizable" desktop evironment? |
| 08:42.26 | _droid | mjt: it is a usb-ethernet adapter that i mentioned earlier, and i managed to get it working. now i have 2 adapters and they happen to have the SAME mac flashed into the controllers |
| 08:42.52 | _droid | mjt: it is my first time to do that so be a little more specific. thank you |
| 08:43.06 | gnarface | Anakin_: probably e17 but its also the absolutely most buggy |
| 08:43.07 | LordShiva | Xfce is the best environment |
| 08:43.15 | mjt | best for what? |
| 08:43.27 | gnarface | mjt: not fucking around |
| 08:43.33 | mjt | saying "best" out of context usually sound wrong |
| 08:43.47 | themill | amcsi_work: I assume you tried the (completely undocumented) "TcpRcvBufPoll no" suggestion from that link? |
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| 08:44.05 | amcsi_work | Yes, but openssh says there's no such config option |
| 08:44.15 | themill | amcsi_work: yeah... that doesn't surprise me |
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| 08:44.27 | amcsi_work | thank goodness it didn't try to restart the server and die with an error |
| 08:44.37 | Anakin_ | OH no! Gnaface do not tell me that (sad face) I liked linux and left windows cause I love how |
| 08:44.37 | Anakin_ | Customizable it was but if they will turn into windows where you can't dlete this or that will go down then what's the point I would have a better luck getting a mac and jailbreak it :( |
| 08:45.07 | themill | amcsi_work: does enabling compression or limiting bandwidth (with trickle) help? |
| 08:45.46 | amcsi_work | how do I do that? |
| 08:46.25 | themill | amcsi_work: you'd enable compression in your ~/.ssh/config; you'd use trickle to run git push ("trickle -u500 git push" would limit to 500kB/s upload) |
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| 08:46.50 | gnarface | Anakin_: well, while the progression of gnome's product design definitely looks like a projection (or at least reflection) of apple ideals it might comfort you to know that it has generally gone very badly lately and been an entirely unpopular direction. the next version of debian will NOT use gnome as the default desktop environment anymore |
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| 08:46.57 | Anakin_ | And most of the applications they install on their destop are horrible why waste developers time on making a browser when we have Chromium and firefox why not work on a better desktop enviromnet to kick windows and mac's A too ....How dumb if they will go the same direction of windows with dependencies everywhere :( |
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| 08:48.36 | gnarface | Anakin_: well why not indeed? i have a simple answer: because then you don't have an excuse to be working on gnome anymore. it was overcooked already when e16 was everyone's default WM and gnome was just a bloated toolbar you added to it like some bad IE6 plugin |
| 08:48.40 | dzup | i prefer gnome over kde |
| 08:48.56 | Anakin_ | So debian Sid will not have gnome? How about KDE? Will debian kick it out too? |
| 08:49.00 | gnarface | no no |
| 08:49.03 | amcsi_work | what do I write in ~/.ssh/config? |
| 08:49.10 | amcsi_work | and can I write in into sshd_config for all users? |
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| 08:49.13 | gnarface | Anakin_: you misunderstand... it will still be present it will just no longer be the default |
| 08:49.15 | amcsi_work | because all users use git |
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| 08:49.55 | gnarface | Anakin_: as of wheezy its already no longer the default. wheezy will go stable with xfce as the default |
| 08:50.00 | themill | amcsi_work: let's see if it works for you first; it's a client setting not a daemon setting anyway so it would be ssh_config not sshd_config. "Compression yes" |
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| 08:50.33 | ptrkmj | are terminal output contents accessible through some file? so that i can grep it e.g. |
| 08:51.19 | Anakin_ | Oh i do not care for either one if they will go the windows and mac way to hell with them then so what would be like more |
| 08:51.19 | Anakin_ | Customizable Lxde or xfce or Enlighment? like bodhi os? |
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| 08:51.28 | amcsi_work | I did Compression yes in ssh_config, didn't restart anything, did git push, and the preoblem remains :/ |
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| 08:51.47 | themill | amcsi_work: on which side did you add that line? |
| 08:52.03 | amcsi_work | I added it to the end of the existing /etc/ssh/ssh_config file |
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| 08:52.17 | Anakin_ | and where do i get e16 ? |
| 08:52.25 | themill | amcsi_work: on the machine you're running "git push" on or the machine being pushed too? |
| 08:52.26 | gnarface | Anakin_: enlightenment's *PRIMARY* focus is graphical customizability/themeability - but with great power comes great training times |
| 08:52.27 | Anakin_ | i want to check e16 out |
| 08:52.41 | amcsi_work | yes, everything is done on the same machine where git push doesn't work |
| 08:52.42 | gnarface | Anakin_: oh. sorry about e16 i've been using that since it was still in debian. it may not be anymore |
| 08:52.51 | gnarface | ,versions e16 |
| 08:52.53 | judd | Package: e16 on i386 -- lenny: 0.16.8.13-4; squeeze: 1.0.0-4 |
| 08:53.03 | gnarface | Anakin_: still in squeeze if you're on squeeze |
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| 08:53.20 | gnarface | ,versions e16 |
| 08:53.21 | judd | Package: e16 on i386 -- lenny: 0.16.8.13-4; squeeze: 1.0.0-4 |
| 08:53.22 | gnarface | ,versions e17 |
| 08:53.23 | judd | Package: e17 on i386 -- sid: 0.16.999.70492-2; wheezy: 0.16.999.70492-2 |
| 08:53.33 | amcsi_work | hmm, that reminds me... could it be that server I'm pushing to is at fault? it is version 4.3 openssh only, and that is the only server i usually push to |
| 08:53.47 | themill | (should have called that package e17minusdelta) |
| 08:53.51 | gnarface | Anakin_: they want everyone using e17 which is an entirely different and more modern thing than e16 but its also very experimental |
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| 08:54.14 | themill | amcsi_work: oh? this is definitely an sshd problem not an ssh problem, by the looks of it. |
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| 08:54.33 | Anakin_ | I want Customizable and solid too so e16 be better i think right? |
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| 08:55.39 | Anakin_ | OH wow E17 is so beautifull!!! WOW! Gnome is history! Wow! |
| 08:55.43 | gnarface | Anakin_: i *think* so as long as you're ok that its basically fossilized. there's a rich history of e15 and e16 themes accessible to you and gtk themes (which you're familiar with from gnome probably) to compliment them but its all as dead as latin |
| 08:55.50 | amcsi_work | ah, pushing it to a different server worked! |
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| 08:56.04 | gnarface | Anakin_: yea e17 kinda sells itself on screenshots :) |
| 08:56.46 | gnarface | Anakin_: but, you know, bleeding-edge software has its risks |
| 08:57.01 | Anakin_ | holly cow!!! It so freaking awesome looking!!! Damb thank you! Gnarface you made my freaking year!!! :) |
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| 08:57.08 | gnarface | haha |
| 08:57.21 | amcsi_work | no wait, but the ssh version was 5.3 on the server where I couldn't push to probably, whereas 4.3 was the version of the other serverI tried and worked... so it musn't be the version |
| 08:57.27 | amcsi_work | there must be some bad configuration |
| 08:57.29 | gnarface | Anakin_: don't thank me until you get it working |
| 08:57.49 | Anakin_ | OMG its like heaven I love it! |
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| 08:58.16 | gnarface | i really do like the design of its graphical login manager |
| 08:58.24 | gnarface | 'entrance' i think its called |
| 08:58.28 | amcsi_work | and by the way, pushing to that bad server from our local network (not through the internet) always works, so it must be something relating to speed and packets as well |
| 08:58.52 | peterrooney | my gripe is that e17 is not even close to lightweight like e16 |
| 08:59.04 | Anakin_ | I donloaded macpup that has it and wow! I can not even imagine debian on it its going to be like AWESOME solid and beautifull wow! |
| 08:59.08 | themill | amcsi_work: what have you got in production that's still using openssh 4.3? |
| 08:59.16 | gnarface | peterrooney: but when e16 was in its prime it was not close to lightweight |
| 08:59.36 | gnarface | peterrooney: its only lightweight now because they stopped adding features to it almost 15 years ago |
| 08:59.37 | amcsi_work | http://pastebin.com/rc3LrhtG |
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| 08:59.50 | amcsi_work | it's not in production, it just hosts git projects |
| 08:59.57 | gnarface | peterrooney: e16 is only lightweight because computers got much heavier |
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| 09:00.06 | themill | amcsi_work: same thing by the time you're letting people ssh to it! |
| 09:00.10 | amcsi_work | would you please check out my config settings on the bad git recieving server for anything fishy? |
| 09:00.26 | themill | amcsi_work: I can't see anything there that looks odd at all. |
| 09:00.46 | gnarface | and to be fair, for how much advanced hardcore effects e17 has, it does it very efficiently, generally |
| 09:00.55 | Anakin_ | Oh hell I am going to find so much donation for E that they will beat the hell out of gnome and KDE :) I LOVE IT!!!! |
| 09:00.56 | gnarface | (assuming you got a video card from after 2007) |
| 09:01.27 | amcsi_work | Oh and sorry, this is ssh version 5.3 |
| 09:01.35 | gnarface | its interesting because kde and gnome both started originally as answers to enlightenment |
| 09:01.38 | gnarface | how the tables have turned |
| 09:01.39 | amcsi_work | The server with ssh 4.3 works totally fine |
| 09:01.48 | trysten | Anakin_: are you using e17? i agree. |
| 09:01.51 | Anakin_ | Is there a debian E17? I can dowload or I have to install debian core and put E17 on top? |
| 09:01.52 | themill | amcsi_work: ssh 5.3 isn't in any debian release |
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| 09:02.22 | amcsi_work | except that it can't push to the 5.3 server properly, which I first thought was the 4.3's ssh problem, but as it seems, it is the 5.3's sshd recieveing problem |
| 09:02.30 | gnarface | Anakin_: there is a debian e17 package i can't speak for how up-to-date it is but its worth trying first so you can see where everything belongs before you compile your own and put it all in the wrong places |
| 09:02.40 | Anakin_ | Yes macpup for now but i rather use E17 on debian |
| 09:02.46 | amcsi_work | OH I'm sorry, the ssh 5.3 server is ubuntu |
| 09:03.13 | Twinkletoes | Lots of bash examples express variables like... ${var} and others use "$var" What's the proper way? |
| 09:03.23 | themill | amcsi_work: #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server might have some ideas about how to either fix that ssh or upgrade to a newer version/newer release |
| 09:03.29 | NetEcho | Hi there I'm having some problems with my graphics configuration, I've tested a few times and the graphics work flawlessly on the first boot after a fresh debian wheezy net install however after a reboot I get this horrible flicker |
| 09:03.58 | gnarface | Twinkletoes: that's more a question for #bash but both are proper. the { } eliminate ambiguity. certain things like $BLAH.stuff don't always work like you'd expect |
| 09:04.04 | NetEcho | it seems the Automatic configuration only seems to work once and then every time after it messes up |
| 09:04.28 | Twinkletoes | gnarface: Thank you |
| 09:04.40 | Anakin_ | MAn! Gnarface if i where there i've be kissing your feet thank you!!! I love this E17 !!! Thank you! |
| 09:04.42 | amcsi_work | tthank you |
| 09:05.01 | gnarface | Anakin_: hahaha. it will ruin your life. you've been warned |
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| 09:05.08 | Anakin_ | lol |
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| 09:06.03 | Anakin_ | its a figure of speeach lol but really thank you I didn't even knew E17 or 16 existed and now ....I think I AM in love!!! lol |
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| 09:07.50 | Anakin_ | Its so manly and yet beautifull and Customizable its liike the perfect desktop evironment wow!!! |
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| 09:09.58 | syssi_ | hi. the tool "su" in lenny and squeeze is behaving different. |
| 09:10.13 | Anakin_ | you have a ling for debian E17? is it debian 6 e17 or 7 e 17? |
| 09:10.18 | Anakin_ | link* |
| 09:10.21 | syssi_ | on lenny: su - user -s/bin/bash (pwd shows the HOME of user) |
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| 09:10.43 | syssi_ | ah. without the dash. |
| 09:11.02 | syssi_ | again: on lenny: su user -s/bin/bash ends up in the home of user. |
| 09:11.16 | gnarface | Anakin_: http://enlightenment.org/ is the official e17 site |
| 09:11.18 | syssi_ | on squeeze: su user -s/bin/bash stays in the same directory. |
| 09:11.29 | gnarface | Anakin_: i don't know if debian has one of its own - maybe somewhere on the wiki but i'd doubt it |
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| 09:11.33 | Blazemore|Work | Happy birthday! |
| 09:11.33 | gnarface | Anakin_: you just apt-get install e17 anyway |
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| 09:12.09 | syssi_ | i need to preserve the environment - but i like to change to the home of user. |
| 09:12.16 | Anakin_ | ok great thank you sooooooooo much really made my whole life today i love debian and now I will love it even more thanks |
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| 09:12.54 | gnarface | :) |
| 09:12.55 | gnarface | !next |
| 09:12.55 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
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| 09:13.36 | Anakin_ | good night and thanks you thank you thank you!!! |
| 09:13.55 | ChrisH | syssi_: Etch behaves correct. su user must stay in the same dir, su - user must change the dir! |
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| 09:15.41 | syssi_ | ChrisH: hmm, than i need to find a new solution. :-) |
| 09:15.56 | ChrisH | syssi_: Etch behaves incorrect. squeeze ok.. sorry for mixing up |
| 09:17.21 | ChrisH | stopps writing anything... its to hot here... etch,lenny,squezze... all mixed up :( |
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| 09:17.40 | syssi_ | ChrisH: squeeze behaves correct, lenny incorrect. ;-) |
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| 09:21.46 | pacquiao | anyoe here that have prior experience with monit? I try to monitor sevveral processes but most of the time it only says 'System 'system_$HOSTNAME:' Running' when I run summary |
| 09:22.31 | NetEcho | for some reason even though I did a wired network install my wired internet is unsupported after installation |
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| 09:23.28 | stockholm | hi |
| 09:23.44 | stockholm | i have an issue with network-manager 0.8.4.0-2~bpo60+1 |
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| 09:27.30 | Flashtek | stockholm: explain the issue... |
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| 09:31.59 | amcsi_work | oh, here's an example of an scp done to the server with the bad sshd stuff: http://pastebin.com/px5FuxG7 does this help? |
| 09:32.51 | amcsi_work | themill |
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| 09:33.42 | stockholm | Flashtek: i solved it, it was just not displayed properly. the new connections were there. |
| 09:35.14 | amcsi_work | oh never mind, wrong output |
| 09:35.31 | amcsi_work | debug2: channel 0: written 36 to efd 6 |
| 09:35.31 | amcsi_work | bme_cms.tar.gz 14% 2112KB 42.8KB/s - stalled - |
| 09:35.48 | amcsi_work | And the KB/s is going lower and lower, and no more data is being sent |
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| 09:37.15 | amcsi_work | and it always gets stuck at exactly 2112KB, even after limiting the bandwidth by scp -l 8192 |
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| 09:38.49 | ChrisH | amcsi_work: just an idea: is there a firewall oin between killing sessions after X seconds? Does it stall at the same amount or the same time? |
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| 09:40.11 | amcsi_work | I tried a different large file, and that is stuck at exactly 2112KB as well! fishy... |
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| 09:50.55 | otkrick | hi all! Can anybody find my "hidden" file (/var/www/blaSecretPathbla.php) through hhtp from outside? (squeeze, apache2, standart installation) |
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| 09:51.21 | ksk | otkrick: |
| 09:51.31 | ksk | this an #httpd question :P |
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| 09:51.45 | ksk | but: if you dont do +indexes (so you can see everything) |
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| 09:51.57 | ksk | a cryptic filename is not "findable" by other |
| 09:52.02 | ksk | they could only bruteforce it.. |
| 09:52.33 | crose | hello I'm trying to use the rtcwake command but it doesn't seem to work, for example if I type 'sudo rtcwake -m mem -s 10' the pc enters sleep mode but it never comes back. |
| 09:52.45 | otkrick | ksk: thanky you.. "do +indexes", what does it mean? |
| 09:53.07 | ksk | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_autoindex.html |
| 09:53.49 | otkrick | ksk: THANK YOU |
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| 09:57.23 | jtac | hello all, i got some issue with my network interface when i try to assign an IP address i get following output :/ http://pastebin.com/z9irzBhn |
| 09:57.32 | jtac | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 09:57.50 | jtac | and the eth0 got hw address 00:00:00:00:00 |
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| 09:59.56 | ChrisH | jtac: ifconfig -a does show eth0 ? |
| 10:00.04 | jtac | ChrisH: yep |
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| 10:02.04 | ChrisH | ifconfig eth0 inet 0.0.0.0 down <- does that work? |
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| 10:02.31 | jtac | sec |
| 10:03.00 | jtac | nope |
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| 10:05.03 | jtac | ChrisH: ifconfig eth0 down works but ifconfig eth0 up get me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" |
| 10:05.56 | polyurethane | Debian randomly logs me out every 20 minutes... why is this happening? |
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| 10:07.30 | abec0 | Just got a «Intel Corporation Cedarview Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)». Works a little better in ubuntu with a ppa: thing, compared to my custom debian kernel package (3.5),that took the small netbook 5 hours to compile (cause I know nothing about cross-compiling... ;-). |
| 10:07.37 | ChrisH | jtac: no cable connected or no link? |
| 10:08.05 | abec0 | polyurethane: Every 20 minutes does not seem that random to me ;-) |
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| 10:10.10 | jtac | ChrisH it connected to a link |
| 10:10.40 | jtac | it looks driver issue for me but dont know how to play with drivers in linux |
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| 10:12.52 | abec0 | jtac: If /etc/network/interfaces is configured/used, I believe the Debian way is sudo ifup eth0 and sudo ifdown eth0... and sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart. |
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| 10:13.24 | gh0st3r | installed debian on my laptop |
| 10:13.38 | gh0st3r | warned me about no drivers for my eth0 and wlan0 on install |
| 10:13.38 | abec0 | jtac: Might be unrelated to your problem, though. |
| 10:13.42 | gh0st3r | haha |
| 10:13.48 | gh0st3r | i have no network drivers... |
| 10:14.06 | gh0st3r | all the things i can find on internet, say use 'make' and compile... i haven't got a build environment on this computer at all |
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| 10:14.11 | gh0st3r | any other i can get the drivers... |
| 10:14.16 | gh0st3r | its like rtl.... something for the ethernet |
| 10:14.19 | abec0 | Isn't there a «firware» package, or something... |
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| 10:14.51 | babilen | gh0st3r: It most likely informed you that you need to install firmware for your devices. The actual drivers are part of the kernel and you don't have to compile them manually. Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net or is that tricky to achieve? |
| 10:15.39 | gh0st3r | babilen, that was the command i was looking for ;) |
| 10:15.46 | abec0 | Like good-old-usb-flash-drive-moving-around difficult... ;-) |
| 10:15.47 | babilen | gh0st3r: If it is "something like rtl" it is, most likely, a realtek NIC that needs the firmware-realtek package, but lets take a look at the lspci output and we'll know exactly. |
| 10:15.55 | gh0st3r | its RTL8101E/RTL8102E ethernet controller |
| 10:16.05 | gh0st3r | guessing I need firemware-realtek |
| 10:16.15 | babilen | gh0st3r: Could you give me the PCIID (it is the alphanumerical identifier at the end) |
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| 10:16.41 | gh0st3r | 10ec:8136 |
| 10:16.48 | babilen | ,pciid 10ec:8136 |
| 10:16.49 | judd | [10ec:8136] is 'RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8136 |
| 10:17.03 | Xtreme | hey guys, i installed debian testing. and my wireless is missing. |
| 10:17.12 | Xtreme | when i try to connect, i get error, firmware unavailable. |
| 10:17.17 | Xtreme | any solyutions? |
| 10:18.01 | gh0st3r | babilen thanks :) |
| 10:18.16 | babilen | gh0st3r: Yeah, just download http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek and install it manually with "dpkg -i firmware-realtek*.deb" -- You can then reload the module with "modprobe -r r8169 ; modprobe r8169" and the firmware should be loaded. Please verify that it did with "dmesg|tail -n23" and check that your network connection is working. |
| 10:18.17 | gh0st3r | Xtreme, what laptop? output of lspci -nn please :) |
| 10:18.26 | babilen | gh0st3r: hehe :) |
| 10:18.30 | gh0st3r | hahaha |
| 10:18.37 | abec0 | Quick learner ;-) |
| 10:18.37 | gh0st3r | babilen, just didn't know the command ;) hahaha |
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| 10:19.50 | Xtreme | one sec |
| 10:19.57 | gh0st3r | eth0 up |
| 10:19.59 | gh0st3r | cheers guys ;) |
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| 10:20.04 | babilen | \o/ |
| 10:20.29 | abec0 | aptitude install <everything> now ;-). |
| 10:21.42 | jtac | abec0: ddint work |
| 10:21.56 | Xtreme | pastebin.com/kNNawwLi |
| 10:22.08 | jtac | abec0: why are the hw address 00:00:00:00:00 ? |
| 10:22.09 | gh0st3r | abec0... apt-get install everything ... it doesn't work? |
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| 10:22.13 | gh0st3r | what am i doing wrong?!? |
| 10:22.15 | gh0st3r | :p |
| 10:22.18 | gh0st3r | haha |
| 10:23.41 | babilen | Xtreme: You need to install the firmware-iwlwifi package |
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| 10:24.02 | Xtreme | babilen: how? |
| 10:24.05 | babilen | Xtreme: Reload the module after you've done .... |
| 10:24.32 | gh0st3r | i love new laptops |
| 10:24.36 | gh0st3r | they are almost as good as shells |
| 10:25.34 | babilen | Xtreme: You download the firmware-iwlwifi package from http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi and install it with "dpkg -i firmware-iwlwifi*.deb" -- Reload the module with "modprobe -r iwl3845 ; modprobe iwl3945" and you should be set. Check "dmesg|tail -n23" that the firmware was really found and loaded. |
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| 10:26.19 | babilen | Xtreme: Err, I had a typo in there. Make that "modprobe -r iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl3945" |
| 10:26.26 | gh0st3r | is it firmware-atheros for atheros chipsets? |
| 10:26.32 | jtac | abec0: damn it worked after reboot |
| 10:26.48 | babilen | gh0st3r: Most atheros adaptors don't need firmware, but yes. |
| 10:28.28 | jtac | abec0: so u cant set ifconfig staticlly anymore? didnt know this |
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| 10:30.48 | gh0st3r | babilen, can't solve an issue on a seperate system can you? getting "usb 1-1.2: ath9k_htc: Firmware - htc_7010.fw not found |
| 10:31.02 | gh0st3r | "ath9k_htc: probe of 1-1.2:1.0 failed with error -22 |
| 10:31.05 | babilen | ,file htc_7010.fw |
| 10:31.11 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 10:31.42 | babilen | ,file htc_7010.fw --release wheezy |
| 10:31.49 | judd | Search for htc_7010.fw in wheezy/i386: firmware-atheros: lib/firmware/htc_7010.fw |
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| 10:32.49 | gh0st3r | ,pccid 1002:6760 |
| 10:32.50 | babilen | gh0st3r: Which release are you tracking on that box? What is the PCIID of that card? |
| 10:33.06 | babilen | mumbles something about "learn how to help yourself" |
| 10:33.28 | gh0st3r | ,pciid 1002:6760 |
| 10:33.30 | judd | [1002:6760] is 'Caicos [Radeon HD 6400M/7400M Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:6760 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 10:33.40 | gh0st3r | babilen, its a raspberry pi, no lspci :P |
| 10:33.44 | babilen | gh0st3r: You need to learn about <apt-file> now. (/msg dpkg apt-file) and how to "/msg judd pciid abcd:1234" and you can work alone |
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| 10:34.03 | gh0st3r | babilen, oh sweet thanks |
| 10:34.38 | babilen | gh0st3r: Alright. Are you running Debian on that raspberrypi? Last time I checked they were running some distribution that is based on Debian and *not supported* in here. |
| 10:34.42 | babilen | !raspberrypi |
| 10:34.47 | abec0 | jtac: I wouldnd't say that. But since /etc/network/interfaces works for me, I got used to ifup and ifdown. |
| 10:34.48 | gh0st3r | babilen, damn hahaha |
| 10:35.15 | gh0st3r | babilen, when i pciid my wireless adapter on my laptop (not pi), i get a theres a package in sid but no squeeze |
| 10:35.28 | gh0st3r | oh wait |
| 10:35.31 | gh0st3r | give me a second |
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| 10:35.42 | abec0 | Plus, a line saying auto eth0 might be good, it get the interface up when you boot. |
| 10:36.27 | babilen | gh0st3r: So, the machine with the wireless adaptor in question is running Debian and you are tracking squeeze? |
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| 10:39.13 | gh0st3r | babilen, tried to fix myself, can't seem to, yes running Debian. what does tracking squeeze mean? |
| 10:39.19 | gh0st3r | im running 6.0 squeeze |
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| 10:39.48 | gh0st3r | i'll try and upgrade kernel first |
| 10:39.54 | Xtreme | cool |
| 10:39.55 | gh0st3r | hmmmmm |
| 10:39.56 | babilen | gh0st3r: Ok, what is the pciid? |
| 10:39.56 | Xtreme | thanks guys |
| 10:40.05 | Xtreme | babilen: thanks a lot |
| 10:40.14 | gh0st3r | 168c:0032 |
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| 10:41.01 | babilen | ,pciid 168c:0032 |
| 10:41.02 | judd | [168c:0032] is 'AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0032 http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 10:41.29 | babilen | ,v firmware-atheros |
| 10:41.32 | judd | Package: firmware-atheros on i386 -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.27~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.35~bpo60+1; sid/non-free: 0.36; wheezy/non-free: 0.36 |
| 10:41.34 | gh0st3r | babilen, i have wireless-tools installed and firmware-atheros |
| 10:41.39 | gh0st3r | still no dice |
| 10:41.51 | gh0st3r | tried the windows-style, reboot and retest, still no joy |
| 10:41.58 | gh0st3r | i cant see it in ifconfig or iwconfig |
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| 10:43.18 | gh0st3r | dmesg | grep ath shows nothing either :( |
| 10:43.30 | babilen | gh0st3r: Yeah, you need a newer kernel for that device. You can install linux-image-amd64 from backports (/msg dpkg bdo ; /msg dpkg bdo kernel) and pull the firmware from there too. (apt-get -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-atheros). I assume that you use amd64. Just use the command from the <bdo kernel> factoid if you use a different architecture. |
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| 10:48.58 | gh0st3r | babilen, hmmm |
| 10:48.59 | gh0st3r | hahaha |
| 10:49.01 | gh0st3r | cheers mate |
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| 10:50.14 | jtac | how do i fix swedish keyboard from shell? |
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| 10:50.41 | babilen | gh0st3r: And just make sure that you ask in #raspberrypi if you have a question about that. We can and will not support anything but Debian in here for a number of technical and social reasons. Is it working now after installing the new kernel? |
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| 10:50.59 | babilen | !tell jtac -about keymap |
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| 10:51.35 | gh0st3r | babilen, didn't know how to use backports |
| 10:51.38 | babilen | jtac: What do you mean by "fix" ? What needs to be fixed? is the Swedish keymap you are using not working? (how?) Or are you merely unsure how to configure the keyboard? |
| 10:51.46 | gh0st3r | babilen, google'd found out... all good, just downloading now |
| 10:52.12 | babilen | gh0st3r: Ugh? Just ask the bot about <bdo> <bdo kernel> and so on. ("/msg dpkg bdo") |
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| 10:56.59 | Xtreme | GNOME 3 sucks.. |
| 10:57.37 | r0x | Xtreme, +1 |
| 10:57.53 | gh0st3r | babilen, so... installed it from what i thought was backports via 'apt-get install -t squeeze-backports linux-image-amd64' |
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| 10:58.09 | gh0st3r | its the same kernel version i already had. apparently i just had i686 not amd64 |
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| 10:58.13 | gh0st3r | 2.6.32-25 |
| 10:58.16 | babilen | Xtreme: No it doesn't. You don't have to use it if you don't like it though as there are plenty of alternatives. |
| 10:58.31 | babilen | gh0st3r: Which architecture are you using? |
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| 10:59.17 | gh0st3r | 2.6.32-5 |
| 10:59.18 | Michagogo | Hi -- jbroome sent me here for ubuntu help. |
| 10:59.20 | gh0st3r | amd64... |
| 10:59.30 | gh0st3r | booted the amd64 kernel now too |
| 10:59.34 | gh0st3r | its a AMD A6 quad core |
| 10:59.36 | gh0st3r | if that helps |
| 10:59.40 | debianichooseyou | Michagogo: /join #ubuntu |
| 10:59.43 | gh0st3r | still no joy on wireless |
| 10:59.47 | petemc | Michagogo: jbroome gave you a bum steer |
| 10:59.55 | Michagogo | K |
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| 11:00.48 | babilen | gh0st3r: Please follow "/msg dpkg bdo" and "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" -- Make sure that you add "contrib non-free" to your backports sources and install the correct package. I'll be afk for a little while and back later. |
| 11:02.05 | amcsi_work | ChrisH, themill: I found the solution: # ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492 |
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| 11:02.20 | amcsi_work | it fixed the ssh large file issues |
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| 11:03.04 | themill | amcsi_work: urgh. yet another network advertising bad mtus... that should affect lots of things not just ssh though |
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| 11:03.33 | gh0st3r | babilen, cheers mate, running backports now |
| 11:03.34 | amcsi_work | it didn't seem to have affected anything else. |
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| 11:03.57 | gh0st3r | linux-image-amd64 is still at latest version |
| 11:04.01 | gh0st3r | any other ideas mate? |
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| 11:04.27 | Xtreme | babilen, well, i like challenge.. okay, a basic basic question.. i need one more panel, with app launcher. where can i get it? |
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| 11:05.15 | gh0st3r | babilen, oh wait |
| 11:05.15 | gh0st3r | i lie |
| 11:05.21 | gh0st3r | changing order of sources... |
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| 11:05.29 | gh0st3r | getting 3.2.0 now |
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| 11:06.31 | Xtreme | is it possible in gnome3? |
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| 11:15.06 | debianichooseyou | Xtreme: try holding ALT before you rightclick on the panel |
| 11:15.17 | debianichooseyou | also, /join #gnome |
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| 11:17.55 | dokma | Is there any way to give twinkle bandwidth priority. When someone calls me during any sort of downloads or anything the audio quality is really unusable. |
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| 11:18.36 | Xtreme | no luck on alt |
| 11:18.41 | Xtreme | lets see what gnome has to offer |
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| 11:21.19 | debianichooseyou | Xtreme: System Settings -> System Info -> Graphics -> Forced Fallback Mode -> ON |
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| 11:29.29 | r0x | saluta tutti e scappa via :| |
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| 11:35.35 | saban | i tought that debian was stable?? Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning). how could this happend? |
| 11:36.20 | ksk | it is deprecated |
| 11:36.24 | ksk | use ifdown && ifup |
| 11:38.37 | debianichooseyou | Curiouser and curiouser. |
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| 11:39.18 | saban | ksk: i know but how could this happend? i did service networking restart.. and now server is unrichable.. :) i sent someone to do ifconfig eth0 up.. can you tell me how to change settings on network and then restart it that it will work? |
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| 11:39.56 | debianichooseyou | shell script? |
| 11:40.04 | debianichooseyou | err |
| 11:40.06 | ksk | like i already said. "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" |
| 11:40.10 | debianichooseyou | one-liner .. like ^yeah |
| 11:40.14 | ksk | but it will still break if you did something wrong :) |
| 11:41.08 | NetEcho | I'm having problems with my video card under debian only it's supposed to be using the radeon driver (not fglrx) but apparently theres a problem with it loading the firmware or something in the kernel |
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| 11:42.02 | saban | ksk: ok i will use that in future... but still i m not happy about this bug? is it? :) |
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| 11:42.32 | debianichooseyou | !tell NetEcho -about radeon firmware |
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| 11:43.17 | debianichooseyou | does wheezy use ext4 default ? |
| 11:43.26 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou I tried sudo apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree before but it wouldn't boot after that |
| 11:43.39 | debianichooseyou | well, what happened? |
| 11:43.45 | debianichooseyou | and did it install ? |
| 11:43.57 | NetEcho | as soon as gdm loaded on the next boot the screen locked up and the system froze |
| 11:44.21 | NetEcho | right now I'm having problems just booting the system as is because of the graphics issue |
| 11:45.02 | debianichooseyou | should be able to drop to a recovery root shell ... ? |
| 11:45.17 | debianichooseyou | then maybe purge firmware-linux-nonfree ... |
| 11:45.19 | NetEcho | yea but no networking. atleast no wireless |
| 11:45.32 | NetEcho | don't have access to a ethernet cable here |
| 11:45.44 | debianichooseyou | hrm |
| 11:45.51 | NetEcho | gimme a few I'll get into the system |
| 11:45.53 | debianichooseyou | wireless usually requires nonfree firmware as it is |
| 11:45.54 | NetEcho | it's hit or miss each boot |
| 11:46.00 | NetEcho | I have the nonfree wifi drivers |
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| 11:46.27 | NetEcho | looks like maybe this boot is gonna work |
| 11:46.48 | NetEcho | so far so good |
| 11:46.54 | debianichooseyou | copy the error message you get without firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 11:47.10 | NetEcho | no error message, the screen is just completely screwed |
| 11:47.20 | NetEcho | horrible flickering and some boots complete freezing |
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| 11:47.41 | debianichooseyou | so it's the same behavior either with or without firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 11:47.43 | NetEcho | do you have to reconfigure the kernel after installing the firmware? |
| 11:48.02 | NetEcho | with firmware I can't even get GDM to launch it freezes the screen with bits of the boot command line in the background |
| 11:48.08 | debianichooseyou | even if it was required, it probably wouldn't need to be done manually |
| 11:48.31 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou I |
| 11:48.35 | NetEcho | I'm gonna try it again |
| 11:50.49 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou CONFIG_DRM_RADEON_KMS is not set comes from grep DRM_RADEON /boot/config-2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 11:52.14 | NetEcho | hrm |
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| 11:55.10 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou if it does it again I'll take a picture of what the screen looks like |
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| 11:56.24 | debianichooseyou | probably not necessary... |
| 11:56.57 | debianichooseyou | NetEcho: grep DRM_RADEON /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 11:57.03 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou I'm wondering if apt-get purge firmware-linux-nonfree got rid of some crap files that was messing it up, cause it works now |
| 11:57.19 | NetEcho | still a bit of a flicker but not as bad |
| 11:57.30 | debianichooseyou | so it boots X properly ? |
| 11:57.41 | NetEcho | yea |
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| 11:58.03 | NetEcho | the worst of the flickering is gone now it just flickers on brightness a bit |
| 11:58.12 | debianichooseyou | ah |
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| 11:58.18 | debianichooseyou | well, hurrah |
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| 12:03.06 | NetEcho | now to just solve this brightness flicker |
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| 12:10.49 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou a reboot gave me the flicker again |
| 12:11.05 | debianichooseyou | NetEcho: fglrx |
| 12:11.33 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou fglrx doesn't support the X1400 anymore |
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| 12:12.59 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou apparently support stopped after Lenny |
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| 12:14.10 | technologov_ | Hi, I have strange error when upgrading one of my Deb machines to wheezy: http://pastebin.com/6Jt5vkSA |
| 12:14.50 | debianichooseyou | NetEcho: radeonhd? |
| 12:15.03 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou pardon? |
| 12:15.22 | debianichooseyou | i think that's a `newer`-(er something) version of the radeon driver |
| 12:15.37 | debianichooseyou | so set xorg.conf to use "radeonhd" instead of "radeon" ... ? |
| 12:15.51 | debianichooseyou | but i'm not sure ... might want to check compatibility lists first |
| 12:15.55 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou I can try but by default debian doesn't have a xorg.conf |
| 12:16.01 | themill | ,bug 676483 |
| 12:16.02 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/676483 in upgrade-reports (open): «apt-get dist-upgrade on clean squeeze install gives breaks gcc-4.4 errors»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-06-07; last modified: 2012-06-07. |
| 12:16.04 | themill | technologov_: ^^ |
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| 12:17.23 | debianichooseyou | themill: "Severity: normal" ... ? |
| 12:17.30 | debianichooseyou | pffff |
| 12:17.41 | themill | fiddling with severities doesn't make bugs go away |
| 12:17.45 | debianichooseyou | if not release-critical, at least critical? :P |
| 12:17.46 | technologov_ | themill, thx. |
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| 12:21.25 | debianichooseyou | nevermind... seems trivial, having build-essentials apparently sidesteps |
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| 12:22.10 | NetEcho | well that broke that |
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| 12:22.39 | debianichooseyou | pastebin your xorg.conf ... |
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| 12:23.10 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou there is no Xorg.conf.. X dynamically configures at runtime... |
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| 12:23.24 | debianichooseyou | yeah, then what did you just change? |
| 12:23.32 | NetEcho | I installed the radeonhd driver |
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| 12:24.15 | debianichooseyou | hrm |
| 12:24.44 | debianichooseyou | sorry |
| 12:24.47 | NetEcho | it's the same bullshit with Ubuntu but ubuntu unfortunatly works flawlessly on this hardware and its pissing me off I can't stand ubuntu worth a damn |
| 12:24.50 | debianichooseyou | radeonhd seems deprecated apparently... |
| 12:24.58 | babilen | NetEcho: radeonhd has been deprecated and I wouldn't really recommend to use it. You want "radeon" which should be used by default. You do seem to have a slightly older card and might be better off asking in #radeon for help. |
| 12:25.14 | NetEcho | babilen radeon isn't working either |
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| 12:25.26 | debianichooseyou | it isn't ? |
| 12:25.34 | debianichooseyou | i thought it was working --- with some 'flicker' ? |
| 12:25.35 | NetEcho | no I get that nasty flicker |
| 12:25.37 | debianichooseyou | heh |
| 12:25.44 | NetEcho | [08:21:51] <NetEcho> well that broke that |
| 12:25.51 | NetEcho | on restart every damn time it breaks |
| 12:25.57 | babilen | NetEcho: If Ubuntu is working flawlessly you might want to compare versions of packages you have installed. The likelihood is quite high is that all you need to do is to pull in a newer kernel and/or Xorg version. (cf "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and "/msg dpkg bdo xorg") |
| 12:25.59 | NetEcho | just like fresh install |
| 12:26.19 | NetEcho | babilen I really don't feel like spending another 2 hours waiting for the ubuntu cd to install again |
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| 12:26.23 | debianichooseyou | first purge radeonhd... |
| 12:26.31 | capri | im using the newest ixgbe driver 3.10 and also set allow_unsupported_sfp, but i always get "failed to load because an unsupported SFP+ module type was |
| 12:26.31 | capri | detected." |
| 12:26.34 | debianichooseyou | second possibly either reinstall or purge/install radeon ... |
| 12:26.50 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou thats what I've been doing for 14 hours now |
| 12:26.52 | babilen | NetEcho: I am not saying that you should do that. It merely means that *some* combination of Xorg + driver is working. Which Ubuntu version did you install? |
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| 12:27.02 | NetEcho | babilen 12.04 |
| 12:27.25 | babilen | NetEcho: Well, 12.04 definitely ships with a newer kernel and Xorg version than squeeze. (You are running squeeze aren't you?) |
| 12:27.37 | NetEcho | I'm on wheezy |
| 12:28.01 | NetEcho | 2.6.32-5 |
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| 12:28.38 | babilen | NetEcho: Ah, that is not the correct kernel for wheezy. I guess that your upgrade to wheezy is incomplete. How did you upgrade? |
| 12:28.46 | babilen | s/correct/wrong/ *sigh* |
| 12:28.59 | babilen | *doublesigh* |
| 12:29.03 | NetEcho | babilen thats from the Wheezy install cd, also tried its other default kernel |
| 12:29.07 | NetEcho | did a netinstal |
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| 12:29.28 | debianichooseyou | !tell NetEcho -about bdo |
| 12:29.38 | babilen | NetEcho: Could you paste the output of "aptitude versions ~i~nlinux-image" along with "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 12:29.56 | crodjer | Is it possible to install debian on a different drive while running the sys on another one? |
| 12:29.58 | babilen | debianichooseyou: You don't need backports if you are running testing as packages are backported *from* testing. |
| 12:30.01 | NetEcho | babilen one moment |
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| 12:30.39 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou bdo is installed already |
| 12:31.39 | babilen | NetEcho: You don't need backports because you are tracking testing. Please also paste the output of "aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p'" along with the other information. |
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| 12:32.03 | NetEcho | babilen this is stable |
| 12:32.10 | NetEcho | kk |
| 12:32.25 | crodjer | One solution I see is using a virtualization software. Is there any other? Something like debootstrap |
| 12:32.35 | babilen | NetEcho: "I'm on wheezy" -- What are you running? Stable or testing? (Squeeze or Wheezy?) |
| 12:32.35 | NetEcho | babilen sorry you are correct it's squeeze |
| 12:32.54 | NetEcho | that's my cue to go for a smoke lol brb |
| 12:33.25 | debianichooseyou | NetEcho: you already have the backported version of radeon ? |
| 12:33.39 | babilen | NetEcho: And please paste the information I requested. You might want to throw in your sources.list too. |
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| 12:35.13 | otkrick | Happy birthday, Debian! |
| 12:35.25 | debianichooseyou | Yay, Wheezy is releasing today! |
| 12:35.57 | babilen | debianichooseyou: It is not. Please do not spread wrong information! |
| 12:35.59 | debianichooseyou | </grumblerumoursgrumble> |
| 12:36.22 | debianichooseyou | counter intelligence up in this bia |
| 12:36.34 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou I could not tell you |
| 12:36.42 | NetEcho | babilen 1 moment |
| 12:36.49 | NetEcho | babilen how do I get the sources.list ? |
| 12:36.59 | debianichooseyou | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:37.21 | debianichooseyou | also, please: aptitude search ~i|grep radeon |
| 12:37.34 | NetEcho | netecho@Promethius:~$ sudo aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' -F'%100p gives me ">" |
| 12:37.49 | debianichooseyou | i believe if it has something like ~bpo in the name then it's the backport, otherwise not... |
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| 12:37.57 | babilen | NetEcho: "find /etc/apt -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \;" -- And you are missing the final ' in that search command. |
| 12:38.00 | debianichooseyou | (but that's according to lenny convention, not sure if it still holds up) |
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| 12:38.18 | NetEcho | bah lol |
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| 12:38.30 | debianichooseyou | the elusive ' |
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| 12:39.23 | NetEcho | http://paste.debian.net/183890/ <-- K I think thats everything lol |
| 12:39.57 | debianichooseyou | yeah you don't have any backports ... |
| 12:40.03 | jerem` | is it possible to X Forwarding an app using a Local Port Forwarding |
| 12:40.06 | jerem` | ? |
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| 12:40.45 | NetEcho | debianichooseyou how do I rectify that? |
| 12:40.48 | Sevet | debianichooseyou: backport versions must end ~bpo$DEBVERSION-$BUILD... squeeze-backports uses ~bpo60-* (would have been ~bpo50-* in lenny-backports) |
| 12:41.07 | BotaniCar | i'm using kernel 3.2 , and in my /boot/ i have filelist like http://paste.debian.net/183891/ , is it safe to delete all the 2.6 files ? |
| 12:41.33 | babilen | NetEcho: Please follow the instructions on "/msg dpkg bdo", but make sure that you add "contrib non-free" after main for the backports sources. Run "apt-get update" to activate your changes and install a newer kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) and Xorg (/msg dpkg bdo xorg) from backports. you will also need to run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree" to pull in firmware for your kernel. |
| 12:41.55 | Sevet | the ~bpo60 sorts the squeeze-backports version before wheezy version even if the version is the same, so that distupgrades aren't broken |
| 12:41.59 | NetEcho | babilen ok I'll let you know how it goes |
| 12:42.16 | babilen | NetEcho: Furthermore run "aptitude search ~i~nfirmware" and install any *other* firmware package from squeeze-backports that you have installed. Reboot and report back. I'll be back later! Good luck! |
| 12:42.45 | NetEcho | babilen by add contrib non-free do you mean to sources.list? |
| 12:42.52 | debianichooseyou | (yes) |
| 12:43.03 | debianichooseyou | but not only that |
| 12:43.03 | NetEcho | ok its there already |
| 12:43.07 | debianichooseyou | you need a backports line |
| 12:43.20 | debianichooseyou | like: |
| 12:43.20 | debianichooseyou | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free |
| 12:43.27 | Sevet | http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 12:43.48 | NetEcho | thanks everyone! |
| 12:44.14 | debianichooseyou | <people tell him what to do> |
| 12:44.15 | debianichooseyou | <Sevet links him to a site which has the same information as what people told him to do> |
| 12:44.19 | debianichooseyou | <everyone gets on the floor> |
| 12:44.22 | debianichooseyou | <walk the dinosaur> |
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| 12:46.18 | NetEcho | Should I go with a 3.2 kernel or stick with 2.6? |
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| 12:46.42 | debianichooseyou | hard to say |
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| 12:46.56 | debianichooseyou | probably try 2.6 then 3.2 if it persists? |
| 12:47.08 | NetEcho | ok |
| 12:47.30 | NetEcho | does it matter that it says (dummy package) next to it? |
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| 12:47.51 | debianichooseyou | no |
| 12:47.52 | NetEcho | p linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux for modern PCs (dummy package) |
| 12:47.53 | NetEcho | k |
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| 12:47.58 | NetEcho | sorry to be a complete newb lol |
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| 12:48.51 | debianichooseyou | those are transitional packages used to upgrade to new versions |
| 12:49.03 | debianichooseyou | well, maybe. heh. |
| 12:49.08 | NetEcho | lol |
| 12:49.18 | debianichooseyou | or a virtual package in this case which grabs your arch-specific version |
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| 12:51.33 | NetEcho | how do you know if the backports kernel is there after boot? |
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| 12:52.11 | GLutenous | probably with `uname -r` |
| 12:52.19 | Megaf | hi folks, im having troubles configuring my wpa2-aes wifi network |
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| 12:52.22 | GLutenous | or.. you mean before booting ? |
| 12:52.27 | GLutenous | from GRUB ... ? |
| 12:52.30 | kali_ | `/win 10 |
| 12:52.37 | Megaf | hi folks, im having troubles configuring my wpa2-aes wifi network, on console, im reading this but isnt helping much. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpa_supplicant |
| 12:52.44 | Sevet | grub'll show the version you're booting into, uname -r tells you what you're currently running (2.6 or 3.2) |
| 12:52.55 | NetEcho | GLutenous the kernel name hasn't changed |
| 12:53.00 | Megaf | I just dont get it, how should my interfaces file be for wpa2-aes? |
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| 12:53.12 | GLutenous | NetEcho: where are you reading it from ? |
| 12:53.18 | NetEcho | uname -r |
| 12:53.40 | GLutenous | aptitude search ~i|grep linux-image |
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| 12:54.09 | NetEcho | i linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 - Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs |
| 12:54.14 | NetEcho | doesn't mention backports |
| 12:54.22 | GLutenous | well, you sure you installed one ? |
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| 12:55.23 | GLutenous | try: sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:56.09 | NetEcho | ah apparently the installed conked out |
| 12:56.25 | GLutenous | err? |
| 12:56.31 | NetEcho | on the last one |
| 12:56.41 | GLutenous | what happened |
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| 12:56.49 | NetEcho | this one even though I said 2.6 it's upgrading me to 3.2 |
| 12:56.55 | GLutenous | yeah |
| 12:57.01 | GLutenous | cause that's the version in backports |
| 12:57.08 | GLutenous | so just let it go through ? |
| 12:57.11 | NetEcho | yep |
| 12:57.14 | GLutenous | ok.. |
| 12:57.34 | NetEcho | why not? its not like the system is working the way I need it to anyway so may as well try 3.2 |
| 12:57.42 | Sevet | and you'll still have linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 installed which is the stable squeeze version, so you can boot back into 2.6 if you need to at grub |
| 12:57.52 | NetEcho | cool |
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| 12:58.29 | GLutenous | Megaf: what exactly is your issue ... ? |
| 12:58.45 | GLutenous | what do you not understand / where are you stuck / why ... >> |
| 12:59.14 | Megaf | well, those are instructions to get a wpa-psk network working |
| 12:59.37 | Megaf | if I try that here, it wont get IP using dhcp, or if I use static, it wont ping anything |
| 12:59.39 | GLutenous | Megaf: And ? |
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| 12:59.52 | Megaf | coz here is a wpa2-aes network |
| 13:00.07 | GLutenous | using which method ? |
| 13:00.17 | GLutenous | wpa_supplicant ? |
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| 13:00.31 | NetEcho | So after I do aptitude install on the kernel do I have to do anything else? I.e. to update grub or just reboot? |
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| 13:00.54 | GLutenous | reboot should be good ... |
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| 13:01.10 | GLutenous | if it didn't work then we can manually update grub afterwards ^^ |
| 13:01.25 | NetEcho | yea that is the nice thing about grub heh |
| 13:01.37 | NetEcho | just installing the xorg backports before reboot |
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| 13:01.58 | GLutenous | no actually grub *does* need to be updated |
| 13:02.11 | GLutenous | but that's handled 'automatically'... |
| 13:02.18 | GLutenous | by apt/whatever |
| 13:02.27 | Megaf | <GLutenous> wpa_supplicant ? |
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| 13:02.29 | Megaf | yep |
| 13:02.42 | GLutenous | NetEcho: if you actually read the output you'll see it on screen, usually towards the end |
| 13:03.01 | GLutenous | Megaf: did you read this?: "GNOME and KDE users shouldn't configure wpa_supplicant manually. Use NetworkManager as explained above." |
| 13:03.10 | NetEcho | GLutenous I do see it about 10 lines up :D |
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| 13:03.50 | GLutenous | mmk |
| 13:03.51 | Megaf | <GLutenous> Megaf: did you read this?: "GNOME and KDE users shouldn't configure wpa_supplicant manually. Use NetworkManager as explained above." |
| 13:03.52 | Megaf | yep |
| 13:03.59 | NetEcho | *crosses fingers* hopefully this works |
| 13:04.05 | Megaf | there is no X11, no network manager |
| 13:04.08 | GLutenous | Megaf: sudo aptitude install network-manager-gnome && nm-applet |
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| 13:04.20 | Megaf | its a headless box GLutenous |
| 13:04.27 | GLutenous | hm |
| 13:04.32 | NetEcho | so far so good |
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| 13:04.47 | Megaf | well, im hungry, brb |
| 13:05.17 | NetEcho | GLutenous now for the tell tail sign, everything I've done has worked for 1 reboot if this passes reboot #2 I'll be optimistic :D |
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| 13:07.07 | GLutenous | Megaf: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/ |
| 13:07.31 | GLutenous | NetEcho: you mean it booted without the flicker ? |
| 13:07.31 | NetEcho | GLutenous, babilen I thank you guys soooooo much, so far its working and not even the slightest flicker |
| 13:07.36 | GLutenous | ;) |
| 13:07.51 | NetEcho | 2 reboots and my system is still usable :D |
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| 13:07.56 | GLutenous | heh |
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| 13:08.15 | GLutenous | now time to make payment arrangements... |
| 13:08.18 | GLutenous | :D |
| 13:08.25 | NetEcho | now if steam makes good on porting stuff over to linux I'll have no need for M$ products on any of my systems :D |
| 13:08.36 | NetEcho | GLutenous have your people call me people :D |
| 13:08.40 | GLutenous | wait... |
| 13:08.40 | NetEcho | *my |
| 13:08.47 | jeredepp | hello everyone i manipulated in my hostsfiles yesterday, and now i wanted to ask if there's a way to see which connections have been established fro there, syslog? |
| 13:08.52 | GLutenous | NetEcho: you're running steam games on that old ati ? |
| 13:08.58 | GLutenous | or you mean another system? |
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| 13:09.13 | NetEcho | GLutenous no no lol this is my web development laptop, extremely old |
| 13:09.21 | GLutenous | ah |
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| 13:09.25 | GLutenous | tried Wine, though ? |
| 13:09.34 | NetEcho | I would love nothing more than to only have Windows in a Virtual machine for work purposes on this system |
| 13:09.37 | GLutenous | yeah i know it's not exactly the best for performance gaming heh |
| 13:09.38 | NetEcho | yea Wine and I don't get along lol |
| 13:09.43 | GLutenous | =p |
| 13:09.49 | GLutenous | what do you play? :) |
| 13:10.17 | Sevet | jeredepp: /etc/hosts? no there's no logging of every name resolution |
| 13:10.18 | NetEcho | Elder Scrolls, Battlefield Seriese Games, various other games I've got probably around 90 games in my steam library |
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| 13:10.23 | GLutenous | also, what's restricting you from <Windows in a Virtual machine for work purposes> |
| 13:10.31 | NetEcho | gaming environment |
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| 13:10.47 | GLutenous | oh oh ok |
| 13:10.54 | NetEcho | if I can game natively on linux then that virtual machine would stay off about 90% of the time |
| 13:11.07 | GLutenous | heh, just wait for my game to come out. ^^ |
| 13:11.18 | jeredepp | Sevet: i mean if the hosts get cahnged and i connect to serverx wich was 10.10.10.10 and the host got changed to 10.10.10.9 it should be seen somewhere or not? |
| 13:11.30 | NetEcho | now if I can get a SSH app for linux that can port all my SecureCRT settings over that eliminates my need for Windows for work heh |
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| 13:11.42 | forgotten | i dont see what games you actually play in a VM heh |
| 13:11.47 | forgotten | spider solitare ? |
| 13:11.48 | GLutenous | jeredepp: man iptables |
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| 13:12.12 | Sevet | what are you trying to do? check the hosts rule is taking effect? if so just try pinging the name |
| 13:12.29 | GLutenous | or `host` ? |
| 13:12.36 | NetEcho | our system at work runs on RHEL but it requires a lot of special crap to get it working, I can connect with ssh -l username but I can't do anything in the system lol |
| 13:12.44 | GLutenous | jeredepp: echo `host serverx` |
| 13:13.13 | GLutenous | NetEcho: why can't you do anything? ... have you tried ssh -X ? |
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| 13:13.43 | jeredepp | GLutenous: no that's not the problem, i mean for example the dbconnections they should get logged like Connection to dbserver 10.10.10.10 |
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| 13:13.47 | NetEcho | GLutenous off hand I know it uses terminal emulation called Wyse60 or something with a bunch of custom menu files |
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| 13:13.55 | NetEcho | and fonts |
| 13:14.08 | GLutenous | oh and you use SecureCRT ? |
| 13:14.13 | GLutenous | on windows or linux .. ? |
| 13:14.14 | NetEcho | yea company provides it |
| 13:14.16 | NetEcho | windows |
| 13:14.17 | Sevet | jeredepp: only if the app doing the connect chooses to log where it's connecting to. most stuff won't. |
| 13:14.28 | NetEcho | dunno if SecureCRT is avail on linux plus it's not free lol |
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| 13:14.38 | jeredepp | Sevet: allright thanks |
| 13:14.38 | Sevet | jeredepp: he mentioned iptables because you could add a rule to log all outgoing connections (but you wouldn't know what app was doing the connect) |
| 13:14.51 | jeredepp | guess i'm lost |
| 13:15.02 | GLutenous | NetEcho: it is available on linux, just checked their site... so copying your config probably shouldn't be too hard |
| 13:15.12 | NetEcho | lic file may work too then |
| 13:15.29 | GLutenous | anyway have fun M8 |
| 13:15.32 | GLutenous | U WOT M8? |
| 13:15.40 | NetEcho | taking off? |
| 13:15.48 | GLutenous | nah i'll be around |
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| 13:15.59 | NetEcho | you in AU? |
| 13:16.11 | GLutenous | nah |
| 13:16.15 | NetEcho | lol |
| 13:16.16 | GLutenous | canada.... |
| 13:16.19 | NetEcho | me too :D |
| 13:16.23 | GLutenous | j/k. lol. |
| 13:16.25 | GLutenous | usa :P |
| 13:16.29 | NetEcho | meh |
| 13:16.32 | NetEcho | better than AU :P |
| 13:16.37 | GLutenous | you serious ? |
| 13:16.42 | GLutenous | why do you say ? |
| 13:16.46 | NetEcho | not really I like poking at them |
| 13:17.02 | NetEcho | where abouts in the US? |
| 13:17.06 | GLutenous | chicago |
| 13:17.08 | NetEcho | cool |
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| 13:17.13 | NetEcho | I have family down that way |
| 13:17.32 | GLutenous | i hold CA/AU in high regard though |
| 13:17.41 | GLutenous | those are actually my top 2 places i'd like to visit/live |
| 13:17.43 | abrotman | !enter |
| 13:17.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 13:17.49 | NetEcho | AU is just fun to poke fun at they get soooo defensive |
| 13:18.07 | tzarc | no we don't. |
| 13:18.14 | tzarc | as if we do. |
| 13:18.16 | GLutenous | !tell abrotman -about offtopic |
| 13:18.16 | tzarc | shutup. |
| 13:18.17 | NetEcho | lol |
| 13:18.37 | abrotman | GLutenous: do you need Debian help ? |
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| 13:18.47 | themill | GLutenous: I think we've had more than enough of you today |
| 13:18.53 | NetEcho | ah offtopic chan is a good idea |
| 13:19.03 | abrotman | that's why we have it ... |
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| 13:20.21 | NetEcho | well thank you again to everyone who assisted in fixing my issue |
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| 13:21.03 | Megaf | GLutenous, no luck at all |
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| 13:21.27 | Megaf | it seems like its associated with my AP, but it wont ping |
| 13:21.38 | Megaf | nor get iP using dhcp |
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| 13:23.16 | Megaf | wlan0 deauthenticated from 00:00:00MAC (Reason 2) |
| 13:23.19 | Megaf | so, lets google |
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| 13:24.27 | SarahAnne | so I hear its the 19th birthday of debian |
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| 13:24.58 | abrotman | Aye |
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| 13:25.14 | SarahAnne | happy birthday everyone |
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| 13:29.45 | Xtreme | hey guys, how to configure evolution for gmail |
| 13:29.56 | Xtreme | i am failing even if i do all the settings by the bookk |
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| 13:31.20 | kromagg | Guest47299: what's the error? |
| 13:31.40 | Guest47299 | Failed to read a valid greeting from POP server imap.googlemail.com |
| 13:31.53 | Guest47299 | i configured it to pop.gmail.com |
| 13:31.58 | Guest47299 | still it shows imap |
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| 13:32.51 | Guest47299 | pop.gmail.com 995 |
| 13:32.53 | kromagg | hmm no longer have evolution installed |
| 13:32.54 | Guest47299 | this is what i am using |
| 13:33.43 | Guest47299 | well, i followed every tutorial |
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| 13:34.20 | dym | Hey - im having a strange problem. for some reason a user that is part of a certain group cannot access a folder which is owned by this group. I keep getting "Access Denied" |
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| 13:34.41 | dym | the user is part of the group "fax" and the folder is 775 and root:fax |
| 13:34.53 | dym | 770* |
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| 13:35.46 | kromagg | Guest47299: you did enable pop in gmail itself right? |
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| 13:36.38 | Guest47299 | yes |
| 13:36.49 | Guest47299 | well, i am using in my cell phone |
| 13:36.52 | Guest47299 | and windows |
| 13:39.27 | kromagg | Guest47299: not so sure what's causing evolution to ignore what you put in, but in the account preferences settings it should show you what it really configured |
| 13:39.49 | kromagg | if that's set correctly then uh... use thunderbird or something |
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| 13:40.08 | Guest47299 | i have thunderbird |
| 13:40.16 | Guest47299 | but evolution is integrated with gnome |
| 13:40.19 | Guest47299 | so wanted to use this one |
| 13:41.19 | Guest47299 | worst part is wehn i query for supported types i get |
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| 13:43.30 | Xtreme | anyone using evolution? |
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| 13:43.48 | Haris | Hello all |
| 13:44.15 | bnw | Pre compiled gcc412 in fedora 16, when compiling in the current debian testing, throw this error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found |
| 13:44.23 | bnw | Shouldn |
| 13:44.28 | bnw | sorry |
| 13:44.37 | daemon | hey all if I have say 10 identical xen instances, all from the same debian cd/dvd is there anyway I can compile everything I want on one of them and simply propogate the compield version to the other 9 |
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| 13:45.45 | bnw | I have libc.so.6 linked to libc.2.13.so in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ , Shouldn't debian testing newer than fedora 16? |
| 13:46.51 | jelly | bnw: some packages are newer, some older. Do you need a newer glibc? |
| 13:46.59 | Haris | 5.0.8 |
| 13:47.02 | Haris | !5.0.8 |
| 13:47.02 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.8 was released on January 22nd, 2011. This update corrects security problems within the <oldstable> release, along with adjustments for serious problems. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110122 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
| 13:47.06 | Haris | hmm |
| 13:47.14 | Haris | lenny = 5.x ? |
| 13:47.21 | Haris | yes! it is |
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| 13:47.29 | Haris | do we have updates for mysql-server for lenny |
| 13:47.41 | Haris | after the security issue with mysql |
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| 13:48.00 | jelly | bnw: why not use febootstrap to create a more complete fedora environment |
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| 13:48.24 | bnw | jelly, Yes. So where can I get a newer libc from debian tesing repo? |
| 13:48.35 | jelly | bnw: you can't. |
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| 13:48.40 | jelly | ,v libc6 |
| 13:48.41 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; wheezy: 2.13-33; sid: 2.13-35 |
| 13:50.27 | bnw | jelly, sorry. I am quite new to programming environment and do not know about febootstrap. I think I should have learned more about that. |
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| 13:54.27 | bnw | judd, Thanks for pointing that out. Sorry I didn't check that myself. |
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| 13:57.23 | matlads | ,v febootstrap |
| 13:57.24 | judd | Package: febootstrap on i386 -- squeeze: 2.7-0.1; wheezy: 3.17-1; sid: 3.18-1 |
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| 14:00.19 | jelly | judd is a bot btw |
| 14:01.06 | heoa | 1. I need US Dvorak International with Dead-keys, how can I get it? |
| 14:01.53 | heoa | 2. I need 6 kbd layouts but gnome -kbd thing supports only 4, which software is to tune the kbds? |
| 14:02.11 | judd | waves to jelly |
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| 14:03.16 | bnw | ,v gcc |
| 14:03.18 | judd | Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.7.1-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.1-1 |
| 14:03.26 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps is there a wireless or celluar channel? |
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| 14:04.50 | jelly | ##wireless ? |
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| 14:04.58 | jelly | one hash. |
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| 14:05.35 | jelly | unless... but read their topic. |
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| 14:17.42 | ne0h|nihilist | hi everyone, I need to set up a dns bind server with high performance for an ISP, i wonder what would be better for that, to use the default debian package or to compile one downloaded from the official site project? |
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| 14:18.31 | Sm0ke0ut | doesn't really matter |
| 14:19.13 | Sm0ke0ut | the packages are pre-compiled for the system you're using is it shouldn't make much of a difference |
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| 14:20.01 | nsadmin | ne0h|nihilist, does it need to be authoratative over real domains? |
| 14:20.32 | kennen | Hi, i have a problem with smstools3. if i try to send a sms i get the error "modem is not registered" but at+csq returns me 17,99 and the sim works fine in an other computer :( |
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| 14:20.54 | ne0h|nihilist | Sm0ke0ut: all right, thanks |
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| 14:22.19 | nsadmin | ne0h|nihilist, if you're running stable (which you should be for a production server), then you'll be getting security updates |
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| 14:28.18 | nsadmin | (pls note, not reading any /msgs) the debian packaging for bind9 will start the name server using a default configuration making it not authoritative over any domain. the configs are set up so you can add zones if you want to, and that's what it does by devault |
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| 14:29.03 | drathir | hi... i thinking it is normaly that after instal folder /tmp have static small size? |
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| 14:30.10 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I have a machine with lenny. Is there any mirror I can use to download software? |
| 14:30.15 | Zipl0ck | All of a sudden I realized that my mysql server was not running. I had to start it. I went to check the logs and they are clear. Is there any way I can determine what happened? |
| 14:30.21 | drathir | small = less than 150-200mb |
| 14:30.25 | nsadmin | /tmp has a tmpfs mounted on it, which is a ramdisk |
| 14:30.37 | ne0h|nihilist | nsadmin: all right, thanks |
| 14:30.41 | nsadmin | you could change that |
| 14:30.47 | nsadmin | ne0h|nihilist, np |
| 14:31.01 | sniggles | I have some existential computer issues |
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| 14:31.24 | sniggles | It is good to understand what my computer is doing sure, but it takes SO much time |
| 14:31.44 | sniggles | and I feel like there is a wall between the worlds of utility and knowledge |
| 14:32.04 | Sevet | !tell FilipeMaia about lenny sources.list |
| 14:32.05 | sniggles | im trying to find a happy medium but the linux sheep are verily divided from the windows goats |
| 14:32.15 | nsadmin | what has you feel that? |
| 14:32.29 | drathir | nsadmin: is any tutorial for that? manipulate that can broke the system? |
| 14:33.59 | nsadmin | where do you want to put /tmp? |
| 14:34.04 | FilipeMaia | Sevet: excellent, thank you |
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| 14:34.21 | nsadmin | or: what problem will you be solving by moving /tmp? |
| 14:35.03 | nsadmin | sniggles, so you're announcing/informing us that you feel this way... did you have a question? |
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| 14:37.25 | drathir | nsadmin: could be /tmp on default place or anywhere but i dont know if i dont broke something with manipulate /tmp folder and location |
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| 14:38.35 | drathir | nsadmin: i also check /etc/fstab but there dont see anything about /tmp |
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| 14:39.10 | nsadmin | drathir, df / /tmp |
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| 14:39.19 | nsadmin | you will get two lines. are they the same? |
| 14:40.06 | aleale97 | ciao |
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| 14:40.32 | drathir | i touch that because i have strange problem with java and looking for reason of problem also checking /tmp... |
| 14:40.42 | nsadmin | aleale97, there are no !lists left... |
| 14:40.51 | nsadmin | someone took the last one an hour ago |
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| 14:41.44 | nsadmin | drathir, one thing at a time. are the two lines the same? |
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| 14:44.42 | factor | Happy Birthday to Debian. |
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| 14:45.49 | nsadmin | What a coincidence! it's Miles Schon's bday too! |
| 14:45.59 | nyuszika7h | hi, is it possible to get localepurge to also purge locales in /usr/local? |
| 14:46.40 | nyuszika7h | it's Debian's birthday? happy birthday! |
| 14:47.09 | ratatata | nu |
| 14:47.39 | drathir | nsadmin: checked and two the same lines |
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| 14:48.24 | nsadmin | drathir, ok, then your /tmp is the same partition as / |
| 14:48.39 | nsadmin | drathir, show ls -ld /tmp |
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| 14:50.20 | drathir | nsadmin: drwxrwxrwt 15 root root 4096 sie 16 15:42 /tmp |
| 14:50.41 | nsadmin | ok, your /tmp permissions look good |
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| 14:51.50 | nsadmin | drathir, show one of those df lines from before |
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| 14:52.33 | nsadmin | you may have to put a "." first to get it on irc |
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| 14:54.26 | drathir | nsadmin: but when i try to make java and decompress jdk say to small... Looking like /tmp is static set by system on install i have only 1gb of ram and create 4gb swap i dont know this connected or not... |
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| 14:55.23 | nsadmin | drathir, so / and /tmp are pretty full? |
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| 14:55.40 | drathir | nsadmin: /dev/disk/by-uuid/28636add-31bd-4518-8237-05e2831d5bd2 19934296 112761 44 7658216 60% / |
| 14:56.19 | drathir | and / have a lot of place |
| 14:56.52 | nsadmin | yup, looks that way |
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| 14:58.29 | nsadmin | hmm. it looks like your df has two extra numbers... |
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| 14:58.47 | nsadmin | could your run: df | pastebinit |
| 14:59.20 | nsadmin | err one extra |
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| 15:05.20 | nsadmin | that part I don't know yet, and I do not believe it has anything to do with /tmp... like you say there is plenty of space, and the permissions look good |
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| 15:10.56 | ksk | maybe, yes. |
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| 15:18.41 | drathir | nsadmin: ok thanks much for help if looks good must be good. i will have one more question if i can. Question is if i have a not lot ram 1gb and created 4gb of swap this swap will work the same way of normal physical ram for application or i must change something other options in system? I try to system and application see and use that 4gb swap like normall ram... |
| 15:19.17 | okcx_ | Hello, does anyone know how I can set the correct resolution before the login (with 2 monitors)? It mirrors them, after I log in it's fine (used xrandr). |
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| 15:23.00 | tawtaw | hi, when i run iotop i have this: 1297 be/3 root 0.00 B/s 0.00 B/s 0.00 % 99.99 % [jbd2/dm-0-8] nothing seems to be taking up so much IO, but this process is peaking very much. why is this? how can i find the reason for this? thanks |
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| 15:27.16 | Sevet | tawtaw: it's your filesystem journalling i believe |
| 15:28.21 | Sevet | and it's not using much (0.00B/s read 0.00B/s), i think the 99.9% is just 99.9% of the i/o that is happening, which isn't a lot |
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| 15:31.22 | tawtaw | Sevet: could you expand on what you mean by: "and it's not using much (0.00B/s read 0.00B/s), i think the 99.9% is just 99.9% of the i/o that is happening, which isn't a lot" |
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| 15:32.16 | tawtaw | Sevet: my munin graphs show that "disk utilization" is almost 100%, and only for this disk array. all the other disks are fine. |
| 15:34.56 | boudiccas | how do i remove an artifact of 'radiotray' showing in my system tray when its not running please? its not in top, just sitting in the tray |
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| 15:35.02 | Sevet | well i was just looking at that snapshot which shows currently reading 0.00B/s and writing 0.00B/s - but that is a snapshot and you said it's peaking |
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| 15:37.10 | Sevet | tawtaw: high journalling means some files are getting written to a lot. worth checking if any of your log files are growing quickly, and what's next down on the iotop list which might be what's writing to those files |
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| 15:47.04 | deeplloyd | trying to install vim and getting no terminal library found |
| 15:47.12 | sney | !bat |
| 15:47.12 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:47.21 | deeplloyd | checking for tgetent()... configure: error: NOT FOUND! --- ideas? |
| 15:47.30 | sney | you're trying to build it? |
| 15:47.43 | deeplloyd | yea |
| 15:47.47 | deeplloyd | i want 7.3 |
| 15:47.58 | deeplloyd | i need relativelinenumber |
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| 15:48.03 | deeplloyd | like, neeeed |
| 15:48.04 | sney | ,checkbackport vim |
| 15:48.16 | sney | prods the bot |
| 15:48.19 | judd | Backporting package vim in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: gcc-4.6. |
| 15:48.20 | babilen | IIRC vim is a tough one ... |
| 15:48.53 | babilen | Ah, not that bad. The packaging can probably be adapted to use gcc-4.4. |
| 15:49.21 | deeplloyd | how to i get tgetent or ncurses - from source too? |
| 15:49.24 | Sevet | ,checkbackport libssh2 |
| 15:49.25 | judd | Backporting package libssh2 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 15:49.30 | themill | the b-d on gcc-4.6 might be a way of saying "please don't use 4.7" |
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| 15:50.07 | sney | deeplloyd: well, you're missing some build dependency, it'll be a -dev package. start with 'apt-get build-dep vim' and see where that gets you |
| 15:50.14 | Sevet | nice command, guessing it ignores debhelper versions as those can be fixed as part of the backport? |
| 15:50.27 | babilen | deeplloyd: How are you compiling vim? Did you install the build-dependencies apart from gcc-4.6? |
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| 15:50.49 | themill | Sevet: as it says, it has used packages from both squeeze and squeeze-backports to fulfil the build-deps. |
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| 15:51.08 | babilen | Sevet: It checks which B-Ds can be satisfied by using packages from either stable or backports. All other packages will be listed (and have to be manually backported as well) |
| 15:51.32 | deeplloyd | babilen: i went to http://www.vim.org/download.php, unpacked, and did ./configure - then got that error |
| 15:51.34 | Sevet | themill: was not for his package |
| 15:51.36 | Sevet | deeplloyd: try libncurses-dev |
| 15:51.45 | deeplloyd | Sevet: Okay |
| 15:51.48 | themill | (use --verbose for more information) |
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| 15:52.34 | deeplloyd | Sevet: Nice! |
| 15:52.36 | sney | deeplloyd: did you at least install build-essential |
| 15:52.38 | Sevet | themill: oh i see, newer debhelpers are backported :) |
| 15:52.44 | themill | Sevet: of course |
| 15:52.59 | babilen | deeplloyd: It is "libtinfo-dev | libncurses5-dev, libselinux1-dev [linux-any]" -- How are you building it? |
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| 15:53.46 | deeplloyd | babilen: i guess im not answering your question or correctly. but i did a ./configure, make and now about to make install |
| 15:54.12 | babilen | deeplloyd: No, I just didn't see your reply :) |
| 15:54.15 | Sevet | themill: guessing stuff in squeeze-backports are acceptable as build-depends for squeeze-backports packages then? build a libssh2 bpo yesterday but will rebuild it if that's the case as it'd mean a smaller interdiff |
| 15:54.31 | themill | Sevet: sure, that's what backports is there for |
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| 15:55.04 | sney | deeplloyd: fyi, 'make install' doesn't obey debian packaging, so if later down the line you want to remove vim 7.3 or upgrade to wheezy you will be in for some headache |
| 15:55.21 | deeplloyd | sney: was just going to say. vim -v shows vim 2.7 still. so what now? |
| 15:55.25 | Sevet | themill: for some reason i'd never thought to look for debhelper in there before, had assumed it was linked to distro. seems obvious now. |
| 15:56.00 | Sevet | deeplloyd: after the make install |
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| 15:56.09 | sney | deeplloyd: well, it probably installed it to /usr/local depending on what the default --prefix was for ./configure |
| 15:56.23 | Sevet | possibly you're installing to one place while you've already got debian's vim package installed somewhere else |
| 15:56.26 | babilen | deeplloyd: Ok -- I *guess* that you can quite easily compile the Debian package on squeeze by changing "export CC=gcc-4.6" to "export CC=gcc-4.4" in debian/rules. As themill thought the dependency on gcc-4.6 is meant to prevent it from being compiled with gcc-4.7 ... |
| 15:56.32 | Sevet | ,v vim |
| 15:56.33 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.547-4; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-4 |
| 15:56.46 | sney | to fix your conflict now you can just aptitude purge vim but again, you'll have some fun later |
| 15:56.54 | deeplloyd | Sevet: yes after make install. looking for 7.3 now |
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| 15:57.06 | sney | most likely /usr/local/bin/vim |
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| 15:57.30 | babilen | deeplloyd: You can, naturally, go ahead and just compile what you've downloaded from upstream. In that case I would recommend to install it to /usr/local and manage that installation with stow (see "/msg dpkg stow usage") -- I would personally prefer the "make your own backport" approach, but that might not be to your liking. |
| 15:57.42 | Sevet | you'd be better off backporting 7.3 from wheezy to squeeze, it won't conflict and won't give you headaches later when you upgrade squeeze->wheezy |
| 15:57.55 | deeplloyd | sney: you're correct1 |
| 15:58.23 | sney | you guys might want to give him some tips on extracting his current build before proceeding with something more sane |
| 15:58.53 | Sevet | you'll probably find your vimrc stuff'll be including some stuff from the 7.2 paths when you run 7.3, you might be in for headaches if that's the case, depends how compatible they are |
| 15:59.04 | babilen | deeplloyd: Do you have other things installed in /usr/local ? |
| 15:59.27 | babilen | will be back shortly |
| 15:59.28 | deeplloyd | babilen: in bin? |
| 15:59.35 | babilen | deeplloyd: Anywhere really ... |
| 15:59.36 | deeplloyd | o, ok then, bye |
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| 15:59.52 | deeplloyd | looks like mostly mfs-ish |
| 15:59.58 | babilen | mfs-ish? |
| 16:00.12 | deeplloyd | metsploit console scan update pro etc |
| 16:00.20 | Danielss89 | Hi.. I want to install percona-toolkit from the dot deb sources, but i only want this package from dot deb, nothing else. Is there an easy way of doing this? |
| 16:00.33 | deeplloyd | can i just uninstall vim 2.7? |
| 16:00.37 | deeplloyd | and avoid headache |
| 16:01.17 | babilen | deeplloyd: Ah, ok. So you *do* have other software installed there. That means that you can't just remove the entire tree to uninstall vim. (This is exactly why you *should* use stow for installations to /usr/local btw) |
| 16:01.36 | babilen | deeplloyd: I would hope that vim allows you to "make uninstall" it, but I have no idea if they support that. |
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| 16:02.02 | deeplloyd | ls sbi |
| 16:02.06 | deeplloyd | oops |
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| 16:02.58 | sney | Danielss89: when I want something from ubuntu, I download the source packages and build with dpkg-buildpackage. I don't know if dotdeb provides anything easy like that though |
| 16:03.15 | babilen | deeplloyd: In short: The idea is to remove every trace of your current vim 7.3 install in /usr/local (either by manually deleting it or using "make uninstall" or whatever). You would then get hold of the source package for vim. Change the debian/rules as indicated above and recompile the package. |
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| 16:03.56 | os_ | hi |
| 16:04.05 | babilen | deeplloyd: You should probably read "/msg dpkg debian/rules" and "/msg dpkg package recompile" -- I have to run now, but will ping you when I'm back. Others will be able to help you with that too. |
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| 16:04.10 | deeplloyd | babilen: okay, thank you. |
| 16:04.30 | os_ | where is testing debian channel? |
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| 16:05.22 | babilen | deeplloyd: Ah, you also need to install the build-dependencies which can be done with "aptitude build-dep vim" -- And don't forget to enable backports (/msg dpkg bdo) -- Argh, this is getting trickier than I though. I rather bid you farewell and let some else take over :) |
| 16:06.04 | deeplloyd | babilen: honestly, ill mess with it later. alls i know is i have 7.3 working and im :D |
| 16:06.13 | deeplloyd | thanks for the help though |
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| 16:06.29 | babilen | deeplloyd: Sure |
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| 16:26.28 | knyn_ | Hi, I tried to run a game but I get this error message... "./teeworlds: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 16:26.37 | knyn_ | Anyone have any ideas what I should do? |
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| 16:29.07 | krababbel | knyn_: do an apt-file search libSDL-1.2.so.0. Or search on the debian package web page |
| 16:29.21 | krababbel | you have to install apt-file first maybe |
| 16:30.04 | krababbel | knyn_: when you find which package contains that file, install it |
| 16:30.27 | knyn_ | I think I need to install apt-file, then what do I do? |
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| 16:32.43 | knyn_ | krababbel: I am now unable to open my package manager. |
| 16:33.16 | knyn_ | "No protocol specified |
| 16:33.16 | knyn_ | No protocol specified |
| 16:33.16 | knyn_ | (synaptic:4785): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0" |
| 16:33.57 | krababbel | knyn_: what did you do, install apt-file? |
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| 16:34.33 | knyn_ | No, I tried to install apt-file through Synaptic, but as you can see Synaptic wont launch. |
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| 16:34.56 | krababbel | no idea, I don't use synaptic |
| 16:35.08 | krababbel | try aptitud |
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| 16:35.14 | krababbel | *try aptitude |
| 16:35.15 | garulf | Hi.. |
| 16:36.01 | knyn_ | krababbel: Okay, that's what I'm doing. |
| 16:36.09 | garulf | i install openmpi, libopenmpi and libopenmpi-dev, but mpicc doesn't compile an example app. Undefined reference to mpl library. There is no libmpl package. What I miss? |
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| 16:42.27 | cellofellow | I've got a VPS that I want to run unison on to two-way sync the development directory. Trouble is that the server runs Etch and the latest version of unison for Etch is 2.13 compare to 2.32 for the current version. Unison won't work with version mismatches. I need to install unison 2.32 in Etch somehow. |
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| 16:43.39 | themill | cellofellow: you do realise that etch hasn't had security support for 2 1/2 years now, don't you? |
| 16:43.42 | knyn_ | krababbel: Okay, I've done apt-file. |
| 16:43.55 | cellofellow | themill: hey, not my server. I'm perfectly aware of such things. |
| 16:44.15 | cellofellow | I do have root, but it's not my server. |
| 16:44.27 | marsfligth | Hi, I need to set root cronjobs via shell script. I read the file in '/var/spool/cron/crontabs/root' and it says 'DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE'. Why it's not permit to edit it via shell? I'd use 'wc' and 'printf'. Thanks for reading |
| 16:45.20 | cellofellow | marsfligth: because if you edit it yourself it won't actually install into the cron system. You have to use crontab -e, which might be scriptable somehow. |
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| 16:47.01 | themill | marsfligth: you can drop cronjobs for root into /etc/cron* directories |
| 16:47.19 | cellofellow | those are for anacron, aren't they? |
| 16:47.34 | cellofellow | still, simpler than crontab. |
| 16:47.45 | themill | cellofellow: well... anacron stores its jobs there too. |
| 16:48.01 | themill | cellofellow: you can put crontab fragments in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 16:48.07 | cellofellow | ah |
| 16:48.29 | cellofellow | marsfligth: ^^^^ there's what you want |
| 16:48.32 | themill | (if you want frequencies other than "daily", "weekly", etc) |
| 16:48.41 | marsfligth | cellofellow: so, this file is part of the cron daemon, than altering it, cron will find a different hash? |
| 16:48.44 | pkkm | What will happen if I remove udev? |
| 16:49.12 | cellofellow | marsfligth: themill has the right solution. Just put the cronjob lines you want in their own files in /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 16:49.59 | cellofellow | anyway, noone has any tips on installing unison 2.32? Should I compile with apt? |
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| 16:50.09 | cellofellow | been a while since I've done something like that. |
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| 16:50.29 | grawity | How can I prevent a particular file from being installed by apt/dpkg? (namely, "index.lighttpd.html" from lighttpd.) |
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| 16:52.24 | marsfligth | It seems a great idea, but I need to start croned script as root. From /etc/cron.d/ do you think is working as root w/o user interation? |
| 16:52.51 | themill | cellofellow: personally, upgrading that thing to a supported release would be my priority.. but yeah, you're probably going to be trying to compile unison from source. |
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| 16:53.15 | cellofellow | current stable is squeeze, correct? |
| 16:53.45 | themill | yeah, so that box is two releases behind |
| 16:54.12 | cellofellow | I don't know why a VPS provider would install an Etch image. But, I really can't do anything about it. I'm not going to dist-upgrade my bosses box. |
| 16:54.14 | alfplayer | grawity: "File diversions are a way of forcing dpkg(1) not to install a file into its location, but to a diverted location." from "man dpkg-divert" |
| 16:54.46 | grawity | alfplayer: I thought about dpkg-divert, but it cannot prevent a file from being installed completely, it seems... |
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| 16:55.18 | grawity | (Do I just divert it to /etc/junk/ or something?) |
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| 16:56.07 | alfplayer | grawity: I've never used it, but that sound good to me |
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| 16:56.47 | cellofellow | grawity: maybe /dev/null |
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| 16:57.50 | grawity | I'm afraid it'll replace /dev/null with a regular HTML file. >_> |
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| 16:58.06 | cellofellow | grawity: noppe |
| 16:58.22 | cellofellow | well, just a sec |
| 16:58.52 | alfplayer | or /tmp/ |
| 16:59.37 | cellofellow | just foolishly overwrote his /dev/null |
| 16:59.54 | cellofellow | how in the world? I thought it wouldn't do that. |
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| 17:00.29 | alfplayer | well, it's a device file, not a dir |
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| 17:03.16 | ChibaPet | Hey all. What's the most appropriate mailing list to join to discuss the installer? There seems to be no list specifically for it on Alioth. I'm wondering if I'm missing it. |
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| 17:05.31 | alfplayer | ChibaPet: have you read http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
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| 17:11.21 | ChibaPet | alfplayer: I've read some of the docs it describes, I believe. I have some obscure preseed questions that seem not to be tractable thus far. |
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| 17:12.29 | alfplayer | ChibaPet: at the end it reads "Contacting us", it points to the mailing list and an IRC channel |
| 17:12.30 | ChibaPet | But, that does suggest the debian-boot mailing list, I see now. Thank you! |
| 17:12.41 | alfplayer | yw |
| 17:12.43 | ChibaPet | Yes, just saw that. :) |
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| 17:23.22 | tedp | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'gdm3'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 17:24.01 | tedp | am i just meant to disable immediate configure, cross my fingers and do a full upgrade? |
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| 17:26.13 | tedp | eh, i'll wait until later |
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| 17:26.23 | themill | dpkg: tell tedp about immediate-configuration |
| 17:26.31 | themill | or not... |
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| 17:46.07 | bluesceada | hey anyone can tell me how i would update from i386 wheezy to amd64 wheezy without reinstall? |
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| 17:46.26 | bluesceada | there is supposed to be that option i have heard |
| 17:46.38 | bluesceada | it's ok to not have any real support in case something goes wrong |
| 17:47.03 | bluesceada | (then i will just reinstall, i just feel about experimenting) |
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| 17:48.00 | simonlnu | you're probably thinking of multiarch |
| 17:48.07 | bluesceada | the easiest way would be to save that bunch of files in /etc that i need, save a list of all non-automatically installed packages, reinstall in amd64 and then just feed the list to apt-get install , right? |
| 17:48.09 | bluesceada | yeah |
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| 17:48.26 | simonlnu | but, it's not what you just said. it allows co-existing arches |
| 17:48.37 | bluesceada | interesting would also be to not really update from i386 but install amd64 in parallel |
| 17:48.46 | simonlnu | it's not a way to replace i386 with amd64, e.g. |
| 17:48.55 | bluesceada | but you can switch the main system from i386 to amd64 |
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| 17:49.04 | simonlnu | that i don't know |
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| 17:50.29 | bluesceada | i mean there must be an option, because you can also just boot 32bit userland with a 64bit kernel |
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| 17:52.28 | cellofellow | success! unison was tricky to compile but now it's all set. |
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| 17:53.43 | pkkm | Could you give me tips on automatically keeping a Debian 6 server clean (apart from log rotation)? |
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| 17:56.55 | ChibaPet | pkkm: Make sure logwatch is running, and read it. Tune its output so it's useful. Watch your disk usage. Set goals for what you mean by "clean" and verify them periodically. |
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| 17:58.11 | pkkm | ChibaPet: thanks |
| 17:58.54 | ChibaPet | pkkm: There's also rkhunter, apticron, and however you decide to do back-ups. |
| 17:59.17 | pkkm | Is it a good idea to schedule `aptitude autoclean` in crontab? |
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| 17:59.34 | pkkm | or `aptitude clean` |
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| 17:59.58 | bluesceada | aptitude autoclean shouldnt be any issue |
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| 18:00.02 | ChibaPet | Well. I'd tend to lump those into things you should think about when using the tool, but there's probably little harm. |
| 18:00.09 | bluesceada | except if you try to install packages at the same time |
| 18:00.21 | bluesceada | but then apt should be locked anyway |
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| 18:26.43 | focuslost | How do I get keyboard focus on the window with window id $MYWINDOWID? |
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| 18:31.41 | ChibaPet | focuslost: wmctrl -i -a $MYWINDOWID might be what you want |
| 18:32.15 | focuslost | ChibaPet: it isn't. |
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| 18:32.40 | focuslost | ChibaPet: I know that, because I am already using that (good try, though) |
| 18:33.11 | ChibaPet | Works for me. What do you want to have happen differently? |
| 18:35.45 | ChibaPet | Focus but don't raise? That's the only other option I can envision. |
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| 18:45.30 | kimp_ | remove gnome from debian is good idea |
| 18:45.46 | kimp_ | xfce4 is better |
| 18:45.50 | ChibaPet | They're not removing it, just making the default something else. |
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| 18:46.07 | ChibaPet | But yeah, it seems like a good move to me too. |
| 18:46.59 | kimp_ | i use xfce4 and it is almost perfect wm |
| 18:47.41 | ChibaPet | Lately I'm not using a desktop environment at all. I'm pretty happy with what I've got. |
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| 18:48.56 | kimp_ | ChibaPet: have not you xorg? |
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| 18:49.22 | ChibaPet | Yeah, but that's a set of tools, not a desktop environment like XFCE, Gnome, KDE, or LXDE. |
| 18:49.46 | ChibaPet | I use Openbox primarily by itself. |
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| 18:50.29 | ChibaPet | I use xfce4-panel for a clock and a volume control, and for a network control applet on laptops. |
| 18:50.53 | kimp_ | openbox is ok too |
| 18:50.58 | ChibaPet | ...and I use some custom stuff I hacked up so I interact with Openbox in a tiling mode. |
| 18:51.38 | ChibaPet | It's all pretty lightweight, maybe excepting xcompmgr for transparency. |
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| 18:54.56 | keith4 | I've seen some comments about e2fsprogs in squeeze being unable to create ext4 filesystems > 16TB. any truth to that? |
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| 19:07.56 | H4x012 | hele helesingistä vai ? |
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| 19:10.11 | Xtreme | hey guys, how to make firefox default? |
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| 19:10.28 | Xtreme | yes i need firefox, not iceflatline |
| 19:10.32 | Xtreme | iceweasel |
| 19:11.01 | peterrooney | keith4: IIRC, it's fixed by moving to a 3.2 kernel |
| 19:11.27 | keith4 | peterrooney: it's a limitation of the cli tools, not the kernel |
| 19:12.06 | Xtreme | and second question, how to add files to startup? |
| 19:12.11 | Xtreme | i need to add lint2 |
| 19:12.48 | jelly-home | !fi |
| 19:12.48 | dpkg | fi is probably Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi |
| 19:13.10 | jelly-home | H4x012: this is an English-only channel, try #debian-fi |
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| 19:15.09 | Xtreme | i did update-alternative to add firefox symlink, but not showing in the config tabke ;) |
| 19:15.10 | Xtreme | :( |
| 19:15.14 | Xtreme | any suggestions |
| 19:15.50 | Xtreme | anyone? |
| 19:16.12 | babilen | Use iceweasel or at least use update-alternatives correctly. Why are you not using IW? At least show some update-alternative related output and your commands on http://paste.debian.net. |
| 19:16.15 | peterrooney | keith4: according to the e2fsprogs page, it's available since 1.42 (last november) |
| 19:16.22 | peterrooney | ,versions e2fsprogs |
| 19:16.23 | judd | Package: e2fsprogs on i386 -- lenny: 1.41.3-1; squeeze: 1.41.12-4stable1; sid: 1.42.5-1; wheezy: 1.42.5-1 |
| 19:16.37 | LtL | Xtreme: probably too easy to be true but maybe 'preferred applications' under system menu |
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| 19:16.55 | peterrooney | keith4: so, sadly, not in stable |
| 19:16.56 | Xtreme | LtL, debian ;( firefox not in prefered application |
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| 19:17.11 | babilen | Xtreme: I am also not sure what a "config tabke" is (or which "config table" you might be referring to) |
| 19:17.36 | Xtreme | babilen, config table = update-alternative --config x-www-browser |
| 19:17.41 | Xtreme | the list of app which we get there |
| 19:17.55 | babilen | Xtreme: Why can't you use IW? |
| 19:18.09 | Xtreme | babilen, personal preference.. |
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| 19:19.00 | keith4 | peterrooney: ah, thanks. so... it's either: wait for wheezy, backport it myself, or split this up, i guess. thanks |
| 19:19.22 | babilen | Xtreme: It is *much* easier to just install IW now. What is wrong with it? It is firefox with a different name ... But as I said before: If you want someone to help with your update-alternative problem show us some output. (your commands + output, current configuration, ...) |
| 19:19.56 | peterrooney | keith4: rumours are much easier to deal with these days with facts. |
| 19:20.28 | keith4 | peterrooney: truth |
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| 19:21.42 | Xtreme | http://pastebin.com/FLvJsYSV |
| 19:22.27 | Xtreme | babilen, firefox is not there int he above list even after isntalling it using update-alternative --install /usr/bin/firefox x-www-browser /opt/firefox/firefox 1065 |
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| 19:23.42 | Xtreme | babilen, well, thats priority two now. main is adding app to startup |
| 19:23.53 | babilen | notes the difference between gnome-www-browser and x-www-browser ... But still: Just use Iceweasel! (and please use a different pastebin than pastebin.com) |
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| 19:24.05 | babilen | Xtreme: Does said "app" have an init script? |
| 19:24.09 | Shadow` | damnit i've been looking, wasnt there a debian exploit/virus thing that kept wasting disk space only? |
| 19:24.29 | babilen | Shadow`: KDE? |
| 19:24.30 | Xtreme | babilen, app = tint2? no idea |
| 19:24.34 | Shadow` | haha |
| 19:24.55 | Shadow` | its like 10-13 years old or something, i remember something like that, heh |
| 19:25.16 | ansgar | Shadow`: apt-get upgrade? :> |
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| 19:26.11 | babilen | Xtreme: Looks as if tint2 is a taskbar for Openbox. I guess that your window manager has functionality to start it. Which one do you use and how do you start it? |
| 19:26.33 | Xtreme | well, solved by : gnome-session-properties |
| 19:26.46 | Shadow` | no i dont have issues, i was just wondering :P |
| 19:27.03 | babilen | Xtreme: That would be the right place if you are using Gnome, yes. |
| 19:27.26 | Xtreme | babilen, gnome3, and you are right.. its not that bad afterall |
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| 19:27.43 | bradland | i've configured ufw to 'default deny', but the output of ufw status gives no indication as to whether that setting is active, and a scan with nmap shows several ports open. any idea if this is normal? |
| 19:27.49 | bradland | https://gist.github.com/3372913 |
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| 19:29.45 | Xtreme | okay, so almost everythign is done i guess |
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| 19:30.06 | Xtreme | but still there is one thing, which i couldnt do |
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| 19:30.13 | Xtreme | ie, add second panel to gnome |
| 19:30.15 | Xtreme | app launcher |
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| 19:30.57 | thewanderer1 | guys, I have a somewhat complex setup involving a ppp0 device, and the said device keeps going up and down sometimes, thus deleting my routing tables' contents. how can I prevent ppp0 flapping? |
| 19:31.18 | Xtreme | well, any suggestions? |
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| 19:31.59 | thewanderer1 | (also, what would be the best place to configure custom routes, ip6tables and ip rule setups? and how do I specify the device name in /etc/network/interfaces that a sit tunnel should use?) |
| 19:32.01 | Or5c | Shot in the dark, but trying lowering your MTU |
| 19:32.06 | bjwebb | i've found a basically empty debian package with no dependencies (in wheezy/sid) - presumeably this is a bug? |
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| 19:32.16 | thewanderer1 | Or5c, I've tested the MTU, it's fine |
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| 19:32.57 | Or5c | strace the pid |
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| 19:33.11 | thewanderer1 | what pid? |
| 19:33.13 | Or5c | might clue you in to what the problem is |
| 19:33.18 | Or5c | another shot in the dark though |
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| 19:33.51 | thewanderer1 | bjwebb, is it a metapackage? |
| 19:33.58 | Or5c | nvm |
| 19:34.10 | thewanderer1 | bjwebb, err, rather, something that's supposed to act as a virtual package? |
| 19:34.11 | bjwebb | thewanderer1: i don't think so. it's http://packages.debian.org/sid/libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental |
| 19:34.30 | bjwebb | thewanderer1: can't see why it would |
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| 19:34.54 | thewanderer1 | bjwebb, hmm, have you checked the control files? maybe the file does something significant? |
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| 19:35.59 | thewanderer1 | bjwebb, nevermind, it's a metapackage that depends on a somewhat current version of DRI libs |
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| 19:36.47 | bjwebb | thewanderer1: you sure? i was expecting more drivers - and it looks like that's what it was in the past |
| 19:37.14 | thewanderer1 | bjwebb, re-read the list of dependencies |
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| 19:39.08 | thewanderer1 | on my arch, it's just a metapackage: Depends: libgl1-mesa-dri (>= 7.11.1) |
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| 19:41.32 | bjwebb | hmmm, okay |
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| 19:46.56 | Xtreme | dpkg, :p |
| 19:46.57 | dpkg | it has been said that p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
| 19:47.08 | Xtreme | dpkg, lets piss you off! |
| 19:47.08 | dpkg | Xtreme: are you using Windows? |
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| 19:47.48 | Xtreme | dpkg: update-dpkg set dpkg to jerko |
| 19:47.48 | dpkg | Xtreme: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:47.56 | Xtreme | lol, see ya later on guys |
| 19:47.59 | Xtreme | piss the bot off |
| 19:48.05 | bjwebb | thewanderer1: the description says " The drivers in this package may provide more features than the drivers in the libgl1-mesa-dri at the cost of less stability." which suggests it should have extra drivers in it |
| 19:49.14 | Xtreme | babilen, Updating graphic + sound drivers. good idea or "NOOOOO"? |
| 19:49.29 | thewanderer1 | bjwebb, old and inaccurate description |
| 19:49.42 | thewanderer1 | (I suppose) |
| 19:51.15 | thewanderer1 | ok, so about stuff like creating a tunnel with a "dev" parameter set (so that it goes out via a non-default device)... possible at all using /etc/network/interfaces? and where would I put ip6tables rules for packet MARKing and ip rules for split routing? |
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| 20:01.33 | Xtreme | hey guys,, how ot set debian to autoupdate? |
| 20:01.54 | Diopter | Xtreme: Using the "unattend-upgrades" package is probably the best, most flexible way. |
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| 20:03.46 | Xtreme | so it will update everytime automatically now? |
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| 20:04.30 | Xtreme | Diopter, ^^ |
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| 20:05.49 | Diopter | Xtreme: Depends on what you mean by "update". unattended-upgrades (... looks like I mistyped the name the first time) lets you set the type of things you want it to automatically do, and you can have it notify you if it holds some things back, or some packages require a reboot, etc |
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| 20:11.08 | Xtreme | guys calling it a night.. thanks all for the support |
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| 20:15.46 | foetus | which font is used by the text-mode debian installer? i would use this skeleton-like font in my terminal.. |
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| 20:19.01 | foetus | btw, kernel 3.2.23-rt37-1 solved my Intel HDA Problem on an E350M1. |
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| 20:20.11 | immotus | I'm working on an initrd for PXE booting a custom kernel. For some reason the network interfaces aren't configured correctly when the iscsi initaitor tries to run. Anyone here familiar enough with the initrd (created via make-kpkg with a vanilla kernel) to help me out? |
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| 20:29.41 | dasil003 | does anyone happen to have any domains registered at enomcentral.com? |
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| 20:33.20 | JCDenton | There's no way to install sun-java through apt-get anymore is there? |
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| 20:35.53 | simonlnu | JCDenton: just openjdk |
| 20:36.19 | simonlnu | unless sun^Woracle comes up with a debian repo (ha! yeh, right) |
| 20:36.44 | Losowski | JCDenton: Personally, I install Java straight from Oracle's website |
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| 20:39.41 | asturel | hi, i have an x64 multilib debian, i want to compile a source to 32bit (-m32 flags) but it wants to link with the 64 bit mysql libs, but i cant find 32bit mysql lib |
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| 20:41.31 | abrotman | java-package |
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| 20:42.13 | nicfer | hello |
| 20:43.07 | nicfer | I have gnash installed but youtube videos play in strange colors |
| 20:43.17 | abrotman | video card? |
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| 20:43.50 | nicfer | nope, every other thing works fine |
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| 20:44.13 | nicfer | I don't have that problem under windows |
| 20:44.13 | abrotman | which card? which driver? |
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| 20:44.29 | abrotman | do you use gnash or linux in windows? |
| 20:44.39 | nicfer | on debian |
| 20:44.53 | abrotman | read again |
| 20:44.53 | nicfer | videocard is a nvidia g210 |
| 20:44.54 | asturel | anyone can help? |
| 20:45.58 | nicfer | I'm using the restricted nvidia drivers |
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| 20:46.17 | tharkun | asturel: debootstrap and generate a 32 bit compile tree |
| 20:46.45 | asturel | its like chroot? |
| 20:46.59 | tharkun | asturel: eventually you have to chroot into it |
| 20:47.20 | abrotman | seems a bit drastic |
| 20:47.32 | jhutchins_wk | nicfer: Strange that you are getting youtube videos to play at all in gnash. |
| 20:47.37 | tharkun | setted up a full vm to set that correctly once |
| 20:48.02 | nicfer | adobe's flash player doesn't seem to work at all |
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| 20:50.14 | sawjig | youtube works with HTML5 now |
| 20:50.33 | nicfer | videos with ads still require flash |
| 20:51.46 | abrotman | lightspark? |
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| 20:53.06 | sharky1 | Happy Birthday Debiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan !!! Wish all the best !!! |
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| 20:54.28 | sharky1 | Debian is still teenager :D - 19 lol, but so mature :D |
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| 20:54.38 | simonlnu | wow.. |
| 20:55.19 | streuner | sharky1: 19 years in IT is stoneage :-P |
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| 20:56.02 | sharky1 | stratoka, yeah with the computer counting every nanosecond :P, but still I am not computer ... yet |
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| 20:59.27 | pkkm | Is it bad security practice if I allow SSH login as root (20 character password)? |
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| 21:00.03 | florians | use a key file.. |
| 21:00.05 | thewanderer1 | pkkm, yes, you should at least be using keys if you're going to allow root logins (although "bad practice" != "they'll break in tomorrow") |
| 21:00.18 | zykotick9 | nick_h: are you sure you are using gnash? adobe-flash has an issue with nvidia right now - with blue colour. Disable H/W Acceleration in Flash's options corrects it. |
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| 21:00.53 | zykotick9 | nick_h: sorry - tab fail, when nicfer left. |
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| 21:01.20 | pkkm | What are the risks? |
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| 21:01.34 | thewanderer1 | pkkm, take a wild guess... |
| 21:02.16 | pkkm | I mean, how could someone break a password consisting of 20 random characters? |
| 21:02.26 | simonlnu | it's possible |
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| 21:03.07 | abrotman | pkkm: they have all day |
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| 21:03.51 | thewanderer1 | pkkm, one thing is certain, an attacker will try guessing a password with likely 36^20 (or similar) entropy, rather than trying to brute-force a 2^2048 key |
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| 21:04.25 | keera | Anyone use urxvt here? |
| 21:04.31 | pkkm | How should I store a key in a password manager? |
| 21:04.35 | cardamon | Happy Birthday. And yes, I use urxvt. |
| 21:04.59 | keera | cardamon: why doesn't F1, F2, ... etc work with apps? |
| 21:05.09 | keera | Like alsamixer is supposed to show the recording device with F4 |
| 21:05.10 | thewanderer1 | pkkm, you should not. you should store it in a file manager, i.e. on a file system... |
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| 21:05.27 | abrotman | !tell pkkm about ssh keys |
| 21:05.28 | thewanderer1 | you could store a passphrase for unlocking the key in a manager, though |
| 21:05.39 | immotus | anyone here with experience setting up a custom initrd for booting over iSCSI? I've figured most of it out, but for some reason the network interface isn't configured whenever iscsistart runs |
| 21:05.56 | cardamon | keera: Works fine for me. You got anything funny mapping keys in your .Xdefaults? |
| 21:05.58 | keera | cardamon: but all it does is quit and put a "~" on the command line |
| 21:06.01 | keera | Nope, no keysyms |
| 21:06.22 | keera | Well, actually |
| 21:06.39 | keera | URxvt.keysym.Shift-Control-V: perl:clipboard:paste |
| 21:06.40 | keera | that |
| 21:06.57 | keera | thats it |
| 21:07.30 | cardamon | Problem solved. |
| 21:07.41 | keera | That's the cause? |
| 21:07.56 | cardamon | I don't know. |
| 21:08.15 | cardamon | If you remove it, and it works, then yes, it's the cause. |
| 21:08.20 | keera | nope |
| 21:08.22 | keera | just tried it |
| 21:08.35 | keera | I am using the 256 color patch, do you think that's the cause? |
| 21:08.45 | cardamon | A better thing might be to move your entire .Xdefaults to a backup. |
| 21:08.55 | cardamon | Might be, but try the easy thing first. |
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| 21:09.17 | cardamon | mv ~/.Xdefaults ~/.Xdefaults.bak |
| 21:09.36 | cardamon | Then open a new urxvt and test it. |
| 21:09.57 | keera | good idea |
| 21:10.20 | keera | Nope, just quits and a ~ is shown |
| 21:10.22 | keera | Strange. |
| 21:10.30 | cardamon | I never had patched mine, by the way. |
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| 21:11.05 | keera | I like 256 colors |
| 21:11.10 | keera | for vim and such |
| 21:11.12 | setuid | Is there a tool that lets me configure what services start at boot, and which do not? |
| 21:11.20 | keera | setuid: yes, rcconf |
| 21:11.40 | setuid | keera, installing that now |
| 21:11.44 | keera | And they're called daemons |
| 21:11.49 | cardamon | I don't know if older versions needed the patch, but my URXVT supports 256 out of the box. You just have to tell other programs that it can with things like adding urxvt.termName: rxvt-256color to .Xdefaults |
| 21:11.55 | setuid | No they're not, some services are daemons, some are not |
| 21:12.11 | cardamon | or to $TERM |
| 21:12.15 | keera | cardamon: interesting |
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| 21:12.33 | keera | Yeah it didn't work with $TERM=xterm-256color |
| 21:12.42 | keera | I should've tried that .Xdefault line, |
| 21:12.44 | cardamon | Trust me, I'm using 256 mustang colorsheme in vim, and set most as my pager. |
| 21:12.58 | cardamon | Colors all over the place. |
| 21:13.26 | keera | CSExact? |
| 21:13.34 | cardamon | Dunno what that is. |
| 21:13.52 | keera | a plug for gvim-like colors in console, check it out. |
| 21:13.57 | Sudden_Death | here all apps work with screen-256color-bce |
| 21:14.05 | keera | What's that? |
| 21:14.17 | Sudden_Death | i put these in .Xdefaults, and export it in .bsdhrc too, because tmux |
| 21:14.35 | Sudden_Death | #bashrc |
| 21:15.02 | heoa | NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts <--- I am getting the newbie -err with Debian but I cannot understand the jargon [1]. [1] http://pastie.org/4523538 |
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| 21:15.16 | cardamon | keera: Meh, what I have is fine. I tweaked the colorscheme itself a little bit...opaque backgrounds are ugly on transparent terminals. |
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| 21:15.35 | Sudden_Death | keera , export TERM=screen-236color-bce |
| 21:15.48 | Sudden_Death | #export TERM=screen-256color-bce |
| 21:15.49 | Sudden_Death | =D |
| 21:15.55 | pingveno | Is there a package to pull in basic dev tools (gcc, g++, make, etc)? |
| 21:16.07 | keera | Oh wow |
| 21:17.19 | keith4 | heoa: you're not doing it The Debian Way |
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| 21:19.16 | heoa | ? |
| 21:19.27 | heoa | What is The Debian Way? |
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| 21:19.38 | sniggles | can someone help me with this ? http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/share-keyboardmouse-between-multiple-computers-x2x |
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| 21:20.06 | sniggles | I am getting the error "bash: primary: command not found" |
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| 21:20.47 | jhutchins_wk | heoa: Have you tried pasting the error message directly into google? |
| 21:21.15 | jhutchins_wk | heoa: You don't have any web sites set up to listen to the main http port - or at least apache's not finding them. |
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| 21:23.14 | jhutchins_wk | heoa: Also have a look at the sample file in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
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| 21:26.06 | pkkm | sniggles: the "primary" means that you should execute the command on primary computer. The command is the thing after $ |
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| 21:31.30 | sniggles | hmm well it says the same thing when i open that up and just type it in a regular terminal and not an xterm |
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| 21:36.55 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: Of course it does, it's not a valid command, it doesn't matter how you display the output. Bash is bash even on a Selectric typewriter terminal. |
| 21:37.41 | sniggles | you are very intelligent I am somewhat stupid and do not understand what all your words mean sorry |
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| 21:39.37 | jhutchins_wk | The command starts after the $ - the suggestion is that at a prompt that ends in $ on the primary computer, you type "ssh -X <secondary> x2x -east -to :0" where <secondary> is replaced by the ip address or hostname of the secondary computer. |
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| 21:40.08 | jhutchins_wk | !command not found |
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| 21:40.09 | dpkg | Have you tried running the command as root? If it still is not found, try apt-get install <commandname>. Solves some problems. see 'hdii' |
| 21:40.12 | sniggles | what |
| 21:40.34 | sniggles | you mean that other session of linux that is on the second video card... is its own computer?? |
| 21:40.36 | sniggles | wtf |
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| 21:40.58 | sniggles | my computer now had mpd |
| 21:41.21 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: No, this is for controlling two computers through one console. If that's not what you're trying to do then it's not going to help you. |
| 21:41.34 | sniggles | well i just have a second video card |
| 21:41.41 | abrotman | sniggles: which OS are you using? |
| 21:41.45 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:41.49 | sniggles | I can currently get video to run, I wrote my own xorg.conf file |
| 21:42.00 | sniggles | I want to get a mouse and keyboard to work on that screen |
| 21:42.21 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: That would usually be the default. |
| 21:42.30 | abrotman | sniggles: what was wrong with the way X was working ? |
| 21:42.48 | Sudden_Death | if i understand correctly, sniggles want two or more terminals, keyboards and so on in one machine...running with distinc session/user |
| 21:42.52 | sniggles | http://paste.debian.net/184043/ |
| 21:42.57 | sniggles | what im currently using |
| 21:43.06 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: Depending on what you've done, you may need to switch to the "other desktop". |
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| 21:43.12 | sniggles | I really just want to use the projector to run VLC |
| 21:43.17 | sniggles | can I just make it default to that |
| 21:43.40 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: Since we don't know how you configured it it's hard to tell you. |
| 21:43.46 | abrotman | or which OS he's using |
| 21:43.50 | sniggles | debian |
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| 21:43.55 | sniggles | 3.4 kernel |
| 21:44.00 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 21:44.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 21:44.27 | abrotman | sniggles: no such kernel in Debian |
| 21:44.36 | sniggles | uhh what do i type to find that out? |
| 21:45.20 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: You are much better off looking for support in the channels for your actual distribution, we might tell you things that will break it. |
| 21:45.27 | jelly-home | abrotman: erm. |
| 21:45.30 | jelly-home | ,v linux-image-3.4-trunk-amd64 |
| 21:45.31 | judd | Package: linux-image-3.4-trunk-amd64 on i386 -- experimental: 3.4.4-1~experimental.1 |
| 21:45.38 | abrotman | damn it, thought itw as removed! |
| 21:45.48 | abrotman | sniggles: what is 'uname -a' ? |
| 21:45.56 | jelly-home | judd only picks the latest in each "release" |
| 21:46.09 | abrotman | i know, still thought they'd removed it from experiemental |
| 21:46.20 | jelly-home | well 3.4.4 _is_ old |
| 21:46.21 | cardamon | Does anyone know if there's a iplist containing package in debian? My friend wants a ip blocker. |
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| 21:46.38 | jelly-home | but gkh still maintains that branch |
| 21:46.47 | abrotman | cardamon: ipblocker for what? and use apt-file |
| 21:47.13 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: I don't think he knows his search terms. |
| 21:47.22 | cardamon | abrotman: He's paranoid. He wants something that can download blocklists. |
| 21:47.29 | jelly-home | cardamon: is "iplist" the name of a tool? |
| 21:47.51 | cardamon | yeah, they've got a sourceforge page. I don't really know about it either. |
| 21:48.02 | sniggles | what command to i type in to list my kernel installed? |
| 21:48.05 | abrotman | cardamon: apt-cache search iplist ? |
| 21:48.08 | abrotman | sniggles: uname -a |
| 21:48.19 | cardamon | abrotman: tried it. I don't think it's in the repos, and probably for a reason. |
| 21:48.25 | abrotman | cardamon: it might be better to tell us what he's actually trying to do |
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| 21:48.32 | sniggles | 3.4-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 6 10:34:53 CEST 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:48.36 | abrotman | cardamon: blocklists for what? |
| 21:48.36 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: dpkg -l "linux-image*" |
| 21:48.49 | cardamon | He's paranoid. He wants something that can download blocklists and block their IPs. |
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| 21:49.08 | abrotman | cardamon: yes .. to keep them from connecting to him, or to keep him from contecting to them ? |
| 21:49.20 | abrotman | has no idea what contecting is ... |
| 21:49.21 | cardamon | Both, I assume. |
| 21:49.31 | jhutchins_wk | Usually to block connections to a server. |
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| 21:49.33 | cardamon | Most likely he's going to torrent. |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | cardamon: uh .. you might want to find out what he's trying to do |
| 21:49.46 | cardamon | And he's also paranoid about intrusions. |
| 21:50.01 | sniggles | http://paste.debian.net/184047/ |
| 21:50.05 | nickgaw | Hi, With the live-builder package how can I make it so that I have the debian-installer in text mode either as a program you run to install the live CD on to the computer's hard drive or ssh into the system and login as installer once a password is set? |
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| 21:50.52 | sniggles | I would like to wipe a lot of the old ones off and reformat and check my storage drives |
| 21:51.02 | abrotman | cardamon: the project also looks mildly abandoned |
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| 21:51.51 | abrotman | cardamon: http://sourceforge.net/projects/iplist/files/iplist/0.29/ .. they have their own Debian packages. .. |
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| 21:52.15 | cardamon | abrotman: I saw that. I'm just wondering about the necessity. |
| 21:52.16 | jhutchins_wk | sniggles: This might be helpful: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=79285 |
| 21:52.31 | cardamon | You want to ask him directly? He's over my shoulder. |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | cardamon: don't ask me, ask him .. i don't use them .. |
| 21:52.42 | abrotman | cardamon: but the pckage is not in Debian |
| 21:52.55 | sniggles | not running gnome |
| 21:53.03 | sniggles | I cant find that menu option |
| 21:53.45 | meoblast001 | i set up this machine originally with ubuntu, but want to switch to debian... i have an encrypted home partition. what could i do to determine what kind of encryption it uses? |
| 21:53.51 | meoblast001 | or can the debian installer automatically detect that? |
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| 21:54.17 | sniggles | xfce4 |
| 21:54.52 | jhutchins_wk | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=79285 |
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| 21:56.05 | JuARroX | dual monitor? wow! |
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| 21:57.23 | jhutchins_wk | ? |
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| 22:03.04 | taipres | people wonder why linux doesn't take off, they ask why it doesn't have the drivers windows does |
| 22:03.10 | taipres | the answer is simple |
| 22:03.13 | taipres | GPL only symbols |
| 22:03.20 | taipres | that's why. |
| 22:04.59 | taipres | gotta love the linux community, even went broke ndiswrapper because of the GPL zealotism that hurts everyone |
| 22:05.08 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:05.08 | taipres | https://lwn.net/Articles/205644/ |
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| 22:05.55 | taipres | thanks themill |
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| 22:09.42 | cardamon | Okay, I've talked to my friend a little more, and I've got a clearer idea what he wants. He's used to Windows, and smart enough to be paranoid, but not knowledgable enough about linux to know how much or how little protection he needs from intrusions and the like. |
| 22:09.44 | incog | happy birthday |
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| 22:12.59 | cardamon | I've told him that he's not running a service that accepting traffic and could potentially be used to hurt him, like sshd, openvpn, or a web server, then he's got nothing to worry about. |
| 22:13.27 | cardamon | But I could use some resources and material to educate him and myself on the subject, if you've got anything. |
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| 22:16.33 | heoa | jhutchins_wk: I find the sample files bad-written, what is the directory -directive? |
| 22:16.44 | heoa | too verbose |
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| 22:18.25 | abrotman | cardamon: mildly true :) |
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| 22:21.51 | heoa | http://pastie.org/4523915 <-- if you look the directory directives, they are totally unreadable |
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| 22:22.45 | heoa | I want to get the simplest possible settings without all kind of extra clutter such as admin email |
| 22:23.24 | themill | heoa: you only need to put things in your virtualhost that differ from the main host |
| 22:23.46 | themill | (plus there's mass virtual hosting stuff to do that if you really need it) |
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| 22:30.38 | heoa | themill: http://pastie.org/4523949 <--- you can see there two different ways to do it, the first one is hacked from the Debian example -- the second one is working but not mock "the debian way" |
| 22:30.57 | heoa | Can you get it smaller? |
| 22:31.20 | themill | sure, the mass vhost stuff can do much better than that. |
| 22:31.33 | heoa | (I hate the repetition in the "debian example" |
| 22:32.29 | heoa | over 10 lines more with the D example!? |
| 22:32.47 | heoa | It is because of the Directory -blocks that I cannot understand |
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| 22:35.50 | Dan39 | heoa: and do those examples work when you add www. to the domain? :P |
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| 22:36.38 | heoa | [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts <--- both examples retur the same err |
| 22:36.55 | heoa | Dan39: I care less, I want just simple setup for prototyping not deploying... |
| 22:37.08 | Dan39 | ok... |
| 22:37.30 | themill | and you've spent more than 10s on this because … |
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| 22:37.34 | heoa | (I try to kill all extra features that I cannot understand but still getting the odd warnig) |
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| 22:37.52 | Dan39 | what warning? |
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| 22:38.30 | heoa | <--- it is the reason why I am debugging... |
| 22:39.02 | heoa | (tried to follow the hint by jhutchins_wk "Also have a look at the sample file in /etc/apache2/sites-available") |
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| 22:39.22 | heoa | ...I get the same err with the example as well |
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| 22:40.47 | cardamon | abrotman: When is it not true? |
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| 22:54.14 | Dan39 | heoa: i dont even have a NameVirtualHost line anywheres in my configs, and virtualhosts work just fine |
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| 22:54.47 | themill | Dan39: it would be in ports.conf (and a common mistake is to think that you need to add it again) |
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| 22:55.48 | Dan39 | indeed it is |
| 22:56.10 | Dan39 | heh why is ports.conf not in conf.d? :| |
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| 22:56.42 | themill | Dan39: conf.d is mainly for other packages to drop the configs in |
| 22:57.33 | Dan39 | hmmm |
| 22:57.41 | Dan39 | not that big of a deal i guess |
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| 23:01.21 | tinkster | What happened to kommander in squeeze? Did they chop the editor? |
| 23:01.53 | themill | I don't think it was ever ported to kde4 |
| 23:02.03 | tinkster | oh |
| 23:02.14 | tinkster | but the executor still exists ... how odd |
| 23:02.47 | tinkster | kommander -v Qt: 4.6.3 KDE Development Platform: 4.4.5 (KDE 4.4.5) Kommander Executor: 1.91 |
| 23:02.59 | tinkster | Hmm |
| 23:03.11 | tinkster | Will have to find a different way of building my UI then :) |
| 23:03.33 | grothendieck | cardamon: does your friend use the internet? Then there are plenty of things that can hurt him... |
| 23:04.35 | grothendieck | cardamon: internet security is a different beast altogether, using a VPN to connect to the internet is usually a good security measure for the paranoid |
| 23:05.05 | grothendieck | learn how to use GPG to sign/encrypt e-mails and files |
| 23:05.07 | themill | tinkster: #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to ask though. or #kde here |
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| 23:05.21 | grothendieck | http://gnupg.org/ |
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| 23:05.41 | grothendieck | and conveniently there is a debian security manual http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 23:06.45 | tinkster | thx themill ... I asked on #kde here first - no responses ;) |
| 23:06.54 | grothendieck | learn how to use LVM and set up an encrypted filesystem partition |
| 23:06.59 | tinkster | I'll try the other server :) |
| 23:07.10 | grothendieck | I'd say ask in #security but that channel usually sucks |
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| 23:13.47 | MA111 | Greetings all, If I click on a link and choose "open link" , it does open up in a new iceweasel tab, however, iceweasel doen not come to front and I have to swich to it manually |
| 23:13.57 | MA111 | I'm using Debian 6 |
| 23:14.57 | grothendieck | cool |
| 23:15.00 | jagginess | maybe theres an option to force 1 instance in gui options or about:config |
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| 23:17.56 | MA111 | jagginess: It does open up in the same instance, but, just stays where it it, I mean, a new tab open up within the existig window, but iceweasel itself just blinks in the taskbar, waiting to be clicketd at. |
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| 23:19.54 | xavier_ | Hey? |
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| 23:20.08 | xavier_ | Anyone here had a problem with the sound for debian? |
| 23:20.10 | TheLizard | Hello xavier :) |
| 23:20.13 | TheLizard | I had one. |
| 23:20.15 | xavier_ | I can hear skype ... |
| 23:20.17 | TheLizard | Realtek>? |
| 23:20.21 | xavier_ | yes.. |
| 23:20.28 | TheLizard | You need to upgrade kernel then |
| 23:20.29 | TheLizard | :d |
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| 23:26.10 | aguitel | i am using testing with nouveau driver ,need to generate xorg file? |
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| 23:28.38 | debianbridge | need some quick sysadmin help from someone familiar with debian and redhat networking |
| 23:29.01 | debianbridge | I know debian a lot better than RH but I need to bridge a network |
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| 23:29.31 | grothendieck | no syadmins here :p |
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| 23:29.38 | debianbridge | anyone know the RH equivalent of bridge_ports eth0 ? |
| 23:29.58 | debianbridge | grothendieck: don't give me that, real sysadmins run debian |
| 23:30.22 | debianbridge | every day I try to convince my company to switch from RH to Debian |
| 23:30.27 | debianbridge | anyway |
| 23:30.42 | grothendieck | debianbridge: do you have the bridge-utils RPM installed? |
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| 23:31.43 | debianbridge | http://man-wiki.net/index.php/5:ifcfg-bridge |
| 23:31.43 | grothendieck | brctl addbr br0 ; brctl addif br0 eth0 ; ip link set br0 up |
| 23:32.59 | grothendieck | http://man-wiki.net/index.php/8:brctl |
| 23:33.09 | debianbridge | grothendieck: yes and slighly more complicated than that for this usage |
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| 23:33.13 | debianbridge | thanks though |
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| 23:34.13 | grothendieck | what is the problem exactly? |
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| 23:39.50 | debianbridge | grothendieck: can't really say |
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| 23:42.15 | aguitel | i am using testing with nouveau driver ,need to generate xorg file? |
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| 23:43.36 | ManoftheSea | aguitel: not under normal circumstances. |
| 23:44.00 | aguitel | ManoftheSea, what is "normal" ? |
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