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| 00:07.42 | tabakhase | hi there |
| 00:07.59 | tabakhase | why the heck is a bootstraped system missing mdadm |
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| 00:08.15 | tabakhase | or better, why dose he want to install exim4 for that?! needs a mta? |
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| 00:10.54 | roboman2444 | err:wgl:has_opengl Failed to load libGL: libatiuki.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 00:10.56 | ManoftheSea | tabakhase: a bootstrap system (debootstrap) doesn't know your boot dependencies |
| 00:11.10 | roboman2444 | how to fix? |
| 00:11.25 | ManoftheSea | tabakhase: a mail delivery agent is needed for some programs to report |
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| 00:11.54 | ManoftheSea | roboman2444: looks like you are running 32 bit, with a 64 bit program |
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| 00:12.09 | ManoftheSea | just a guess, though |
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| 00:12.41 | tabakhase | year... just always discusting getting flooded with an complete exim stack |
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| 00:13.23 | ManoftheSea | tabakhase: what would you use? |
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| 00:13.51 | tabakhase | ManoftheSea not sure, postfix? nullmailer? |
| 00:14.16 | themill | tabakhase: you can just rip out exim and install them yourself. |
| 00:14.17 | mirak | gnome suicided itself by making gpu acceleration mandatory |
| 00:14.24 | ManoftheSea | can't you? |
| 00:14.37 | ManoftheSea | they provide the mail virtual package |
| 00:14.38 | mirak | you can't play a video without tearing when composite is enabled |
| 00:14.59 | mirak | i can't believe how they shot themselves in the foot with that |
| 00:15.34 | ManoftheSea | mirak: take it to #gnome |
| 00:16.12 | mirak | ManoftheSea: done already. does debian maintain the old gnome 2 ? |
| 00:16.14 | ManoftheSea | debian has xfce by default. |
| 00:16.24 | mirak | that's new right ? |
| 00:16.30 | mirak | I used Ubuntu the past years |
| 00:16.31 | tabakhase | themill thats what ive done, apt-get install mdadm postfix did the trick as expected |
| 00:16.37 | ManoftheSea | gnome 2 is no longer maintained upstream |
| 00:16.42 | mirak | ha |
| 00:17.01 | ManoftheSea | !debian-based |
| 00:17.01 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 00:17.04 | mirak | xfce is really to light. I am on kde right now, but I never really liked it |
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| 00:17.15 | Dan39 | hmmm |
| 00:17.48 | roboman2444 | hm, maybe i installed the wrong... |
| 00:18.12 | Dan39 | i was wondering about doing "raid0" type thing with lvm, and at first just thought of making a raid0 then put lvm on it, but then found out that LVM can just do the stripping itself. |
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| 00:19.30 | Dan39 | now im reading an article on raid0 vs lvm striping, and it says.. |
| 00:19.32 | Dan39 | The size (capacity) of a RAID-0 group is computed from the smallest disk size among the disks in the group, multiplied by the number of drives in the group. For example, if you have two drives where one drive is 250GB in size and the second drive is 200GB, then the RAID-0 group is 400GB in size, not 450GB. So RAID-0 does not allow you to use the entire space of each drive if they are different sizes. |
| 00:19.50 | debianbridge | grothendieck: hey man that one liner actually got me a lot farther |
| 00:20.02 | Dan39 | i swear i just read an article yesterday on raid0 that said itll strip up to the 400 Gbs and then just put files without striping for the rest of the 50 GBs on 1 HDD |
| 00:20.25 | debianbridge | Dan39: there's a big limitation with LVM... |
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| 00:20.57 | Dan39 | debianbridge: yea im not done the article yet |
| 00:20.58 | debianbridge | you can't assign more than 200GB/drive to be a PV |
| 00:21.19 | jelly-home | Dan39: well, you can try it. md raid arrays have a number of differences and extended features compared to classic meanings of each raid level |
| 00:21.20 | Dan39 | but this paragraph already has me guessing on how knowledgeable the writer is |
| 00:21.24 | debianbridge | Dan39: so if you have 5 250GB drives you'll only get roughly 1TB |
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| 00:21.43 | debianbridge | that's one huge drawback of LVM if you're talking large filesystems |
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| 00:22.16 | Dan39 | i swear i just read in an article on mdadm that if you do raid0 over 2 drivers, 1 250 gbs and another 200 gb, itll make a 450 gb partition, but youll only get striping up to 400 GB |
| 00:22.19 | jelly-home | debianbridge: do you mean that in case of lvm striping? |
| 00:22.23 | debianbridge | but if you end up setting something up, ZFS is ridiculously fast and easy to set up and span across |
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| 00:22.34 | debianbridge | jelly-home: LVM in general has that limitation |
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| 00:22.39 | Dan39 | isnt zfs a shell |
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| 00:22.58 | debianbridge | Dan39: ZFS is sort of what BTRFS came from |
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| 00:23.23 | jelly-home | debianbridge: I don't think so. |
| 00:23.28 | debianbridge | it's a filesystem that can span disks and form large pools and write data evenly |
| 00:23.34 | jelly-home | debianbridge: this is in Gigabytes: /dev/mapper/vg0-logs 2509 2071 414 84% /mnt/maillogs |
| 00:23.46 | debianbridge | jelly-home: no no no |
| 00:23.51 | debianbridge | jelly-home: you don't understand |
| 00:24.00 | debianbridge | jelly-home: not the VG |
| 00:24.02 | jelly-home | debianbridge: so you're looking at a 2.5TB LV on a similarly sized PV |
| 00:24.03 | debianbridge | the PV |
| 00:24.07 | jelly-home | I know. |
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| 00:24.14 | jelly-home | it's just one PV. |
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| 00:24.42 | debianbridge | jelly-home: really? |
| 00:24.50 | debianbridge | jelly-home: must be a redhat error then... |
| 00:25.01 | jelly-home | this IS on RHEL5 |
| 00:25.12 | debianbridge | interesting... |
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| 00:25.24 | debianbridge | wouldn't let me do it from the installer |
| 00:25.27 | jelly-home | your info is highly outdated |
| 00:25.36 | debianbridge | the partitioner threw a fit |
| 00:25.43 | debianbridge | RHEL6.3 |
| 00:25.48 | jelly-home | installers are often limited |
| 00:26.13 | Dan39 | hmm |
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| 00:26.27 | debianbridge | Dan39: listen to jelly-home |
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| 00:26.48 | debianbridge | Dan39: my issues might have been due to installer limitations |
| 00:27.03 | Dan39 | i havnt even read what you guys said since my last message |
| 00:27.06 | Dan39 | besides about zfs |
| 00:27.42 | jelly-home | LVM worked well at least until the 16TB mark, I have not tested larger PVs |
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| 00:27.53 | Dan39 | ha |
| 00:27.59 | debianbridge | Dan39: either way, make a small vm and test out zfs, it's pkrad |
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| 00:28.18 | Dan39 | ill think about it |
| 00:28.23 | Dan39 | seeing as ive got plenty of servrs now |
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| 00:28.38 | Dan39 | 5 now i think |
| 00:28.39 | Dan39 | :D |
| 00:28.46 | Dan39 | ovh betas ftw |
| 00:28.55 | Dan39 | free |
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| 00:29.03 | debianbridge | ovh? |
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| 00:29.09 | Dan39 | ovh |
| 00:29.18 | Dan39 | a server company |
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| 00:29.26 | Dan39 | they have a few huge datacenters |
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| 00:29.35 | Dan39 | and are opening a new one in "USA" (canada) |
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| 00:29.39 | roboman2444 | ManoftheSea, i am running 64bit wine on 64 bit linux |
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| 00:29.46 | Dan39 | and giving away 10,000 beta servers for free |
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| 00:30.06 | debianbridge | facebook has huge datacenters |
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| 00:30.12 | debianbridge | what? |
| 00:30.18 | debianbridge | I want a free server |
| 00:30.24 | debianbridge | ship me one |
| 00:30.32 | Dan39 | not physical server |
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| 00:30.41 | Dan39 | a server in datacenter |
| 00:30.47 | Dan39 | you can use for a month or maybe a few months |
| 00:30.52 | Dan39 | dunno how long they will last for |
| 00:30.54 | debianbridge | oh, that's weak |
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| 00:31.02 | Dan39 | well |
| 00:31.04 | Dan39 | ive got 5 |
| 00:31.11 | debianbridge | 5 servers for a month |
| 00:31.13 | Dan39 | load it with torrents and let it seed |
| 00:31.18 | Dan39 | massive amounts |
| 00:31.21 | Dan39 | <_< |
| 00:31.28 | debianbridge | that's enough to do a DDoS or a POC |
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| 00:31.38 | Dan39 | i dont even know what a POC is |
| 00:31.38 | ManoftheSea | debianbridge: lvm can use more than 200 |
| 00:31.38 | ManoftheSea | i see that's been said already. |
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| 00:31.54 | debianbridge | ManoftheSea: yeah I think it's the RHEL installer |
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| 00:32.08 | Dan39 | aaah its zsh thats the shell |
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| 00:32.12 | Dan39 | zfs is filesystem |
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| 00:32.16 | Dan39 | are they related at all? :P |
| 00:32.17 | debianbridge | gparted cried when I tried to make it begger |
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| 00:32.20 | debianbridge | no |
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| 00:32.43 | brandonj | not related, except that they're both awesome |
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| 00:32.54 | debianbridge | you sir, are a liar |
| 00:32.54 | jelly-home | debianbridge: gparted did not support lvm at all until very recently |
| 00:33.06 | debianbridge | brandonj: zsh sucks |
| 00:33.20 | jelly-home | debianbridge: but I'm not sure RHEL6 installer uses gparted tool |
| 00:33.24 | debianbridge | who even uses zsh? freebsd users? |
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| 00:33.36 | brandonj | zsh is wonderful |
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| 00:33.38 | debianbridge | jelly-home: it sure looks like gparted |
| 00:33.47 | debianbridge | brandonj: dash ftw |
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| 00:34.05 | nsadmin | debianbridge, it might replace bash as default shell |
| 00:34.07 | jelly-home | zsh is an excellent shell for daily interactive usage |
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| 00:34.43 | debianbridge | nsadmin: nah, it won't, you know why? |
| 00:34.45 | jelly-home | while bash has caught up with most of the useful features, it remains quite usable and handy |
| 00:34.48 | debianbridge | nsadmin: tab completion |
| 00:34.54 | nsadmin | the guitar shell: slash |
| 00:34.58 | oscurochu | i changed my hostname and now i cannot login to shell |
| 00:35.02 | debianbridge | nsadmin: too few people will give up tab completion |
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| 00:35.25 | debianbridge | the issue with BASH is it isn't totally POSIX |
| 00:35.33 | debianbridge | it's got screwy stuff in it that only works in it |
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| 00:35.42 | jelly-home | debianbridge: zsh is worse in that regard |
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| 00:35.54 | debianbridge | where you get not shell scripts but specifically BASH scripts |
| 00:36.03 | jelly-home | both, however, have compatibility modes |
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| 00:37.12 | nsadmin | debianbridge, if there are bash scripts that use bash features but have #!/bin/sh, that right there should be corrected (and debian has policy around that for bash scripts that come in packages) |
| 00:37.31 | aguitel | i am using nouveau driver and the window blink sometimes ,how fix this? |
| 00:37.38 | debianbridge | nsadmin: true, but in general... |
| 00:37.51 | nsadmin | there are about 3 or 4 shells available under debian that could have /bin/sh symlink |
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| 00:38.13 | debianbridge | I like dash that's all I'm saying |
| 00:38.17 | nsadmin | jelly-home, how good are the compat modes |
| 00:38.34 | nsadmin | debianbridge, dash may also have a compatibilty mode |
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| 00:39.04 | jelly-home | nsadmin: I'm not using zsh for compatibility, but for its own features. bash and dash seem to be good enough to be Debian's /bin/sh options |
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| 00:39.27 | jelly-home | wrt zsh, I just know it's there |
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| 00:39.51 | nsadmin | bash, dash, sash, or slash... be careful if you get rash |
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| 00:40.15 | Dan39 | wait... zsh doesnt have tab completion? |
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| 00:40.28 | nsadmin | it doesn't? |
| 00:40.31 | Dan39 | im sure it has it by script or plugin... that would have to be packaged with it |
| 00:40.39 | brandonj | Dan39: zsh has fantastic tab completion |
| 00:40.47 | Dan39 | theres no way id use a shell without tab completion haha |
| 00:40.53 | brandonj | it blows bash's out of the water |
| 00:40.59 | Dan39 | how so? |
| 00:41.01 | jelly-home | Dan39: zsh has, in fact, consistently has better completion than bash |
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| 00:41.22 | jelly-home | has had* |
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| 00:41.53 | brandonj | I think to enable it you have to do 'autoload compinit' |
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| 00:43.27 | debianbridge | Dan39: dash has no tab completion at all though |
| 00:43.40 | debianbridge | it's meant to be stripped down and low memory footprint |
| 00:43.46 | debianbridge | and fasn |
| 00:43.48 | debianbridge | fast |
| 00:44.01 | Dan39 | i mean cmon tab completion cant be that much code haha |
| 00:44.03 | jelly-home | Dan39: have you used a version control system like git or svn? zsh' svn completion takes care of commands, possible parameters after each specific command, possible options for parameters including local and repository files |
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| 00:44.14 | Dan39 | yea i use git often |
| 00:44.20 | Dan39 | hmmm |
| 00:44.23 | Dan39 | interesting |
| 00:44.40 | jelly-home | and of course, help |
| 00:44.41 | debianbridge | what kind of footprint does zsh have though compared to bash? |
| 00:44.54 | debianbridge | and are there horrible zsh'isms like bash'isms? |
| 00:45.06 | aguitel | i am using nouveau driver and the window blink sometimes ,how fix this? |
| 00:45.16 | jelly-home | similar, can be smaller or larger depending on modules and functionality loaded |
| 00:45.46 | jelly-home | debianbridge: I'm not sure why one would want to write zsh scripts, but it's certainly possible |
| 00:46.32 | themill | jelly-home: actually, bash does that too |
| 00:47.25 | debianbridge | jelly-home: in all honesty, most of my scriping is perl or ruby |
| 00:47.32 | debianbridge | depending on if it's for work or for home |
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| 00:47.58 | jelly-home | completion of remote files for scp is really a silly thing to do |
| 00:48.17 | debianbridge | what? |
| 00:48.20 | brandonj | jelly-home: luckily, it's optional |
| 00:48.32 | debianbridge | jelly-home: I don't even scp...I sftp |
| 00:48.57 | r3m | is there a window manager that show absolutely nothing (taskbar, launchbar) only the application we run |
| 00:49.04 | debianbridge | twm |
| 00:49.07 | debianbridge | wmii |
| 00:49.09 | r3m | thanks |
| 00:49.13 | jelly-home | brandonj: well everything is optional. I'm still using zsh3 compctl which is outdated for 5+ years |
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| 00:50.57 | Dan39 | hmm can you list files over scp? |
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| 00:51.58 | jelly-home | not in that shell |
| 00:52.06 | r3m | debianbridge: nice, exactly what i want ! |
| 00:52.39 | meoblast001 | are there supposed to be intructions for setting up the USB live image? |
| 00:52.49 | meoblast001 | i can't seem to find anything on the live image site |
| 00:52.56 | Dan39 | dd? |
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| 00:53.14 | Dan39 | there was also a nice gui utility i used once to make stuff into live usb... hmm what was it |
| 00:53.39 | debianbridge | r3m: I'm glad |
| 00:53.59 | r3m | debianbridge: what i a re-parenting wm, i dont understand the wikipedia explanation |
| 00:54.06 | Dan39 | i cant remember :| |
| 00:54.18 | debianbridge | meoblast001: dd if=/filepath/file.iso of=/dev/devicename |
| 00:54.26 | meoblast001 | ah, thanks |
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| 01:03.03 | meoblast001 | debianbridge: i don't think that worked so well |
| 01:03.08 | meoblast001 | all the files have broken names now |
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| 01:05.12 | Schrodinger`Cat | hey |
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| 01:06.11 | ManoftheSea | might wave to the cat. |
| 01:06.28 | Schrodinger`Cat | i need to install lame on a debian stable, i add "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main" and "deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org squeeze main", but after i try to install lame i get : "Aucune version du paquet lame n'est disponible, mais il existe dans la base" |
| 01:06.48 | Schrodinger`Cat | like in english: no version of lame available, but exist in database |
| 01:06.54 | Schrodinger`Cat | what can i do ? |
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| 01:06.56 | Schrodinger`Cat | thanks |
| 01:09.10 | LtL | Schrodinger`Cat: the source should be, deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main |
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| 01:10.09 | ManoftheSea | Schrodinger`Cat: I think he's suggesting "apt-get source lame" |
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| 01:12.48 | Schrodinger`Cat | E: Impossible d'ouvrir le fichier /var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_squeeze_main_source_Sources - open (2: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type) |
| 01:12.52 | Schrodinger`Cat | hum |
| 01:13.01 | Schrodinger`Cat | i think i dont have understand what you mean |
| 01:13.26 | nkuttler | !tell Schrodinger`Cat about localized errors |
| 01:14.52 | nkuttler | Schrodinger`Cat: hrm, apt-cache policy lame, in English please |
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| 01:15.55 | jelly-home | Schrodinger`Cat: forgot to run apt-get update |
| 01:16.29 | jelly-home | ,v lame |
| 01:16.30 | judd | Package: lame on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-0.1; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo1 |
| 01:16.38 | meoblast001 | every time i do dd if=/filepath/file.iso of=/dev/devicename where the device is my USB |
| 01:16.45 | meoblast001 | it messes up the partition |
| 01:17.06 | meoblast001 | i just want to put a live img onto a USB stick |
| 01:17.12 | jelly-home | Schrodinger`Cat: If the only thing you want from debian-multimedia is lame, I suggest getting it from squeeze-backports instead |
| 01:17.16 | ManoftheSea | meoblast001: unetbootin |
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| 01:19.37 | gnarface | wait |
| 01:19.49 | gnarface | meoblast001: messes up what partition now? |
| 01:20.00 | meoblast001 | the partition on the USB drive |
| 01:20.14 | gnarface | what are you using for /dev/devicename, literally? |
| 01:20.18 | meoblast001 | no |
| 01:20.20 | meoblast001 | /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:20.38 | ManoftheSea | oh, that's not right. |
| 01:20.39 | gnarface | bzzzt!. wrong |
| 01:20.48 | gnarface | meoblast001: use /dev/sdb instead and it will work |
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| 01:21.07 | meoblast001 | ah, running |
| 01:21.09 | gnarface | meoblast001: the new hybird-iso images contain the partition table. dd is the only step |
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| 01:21.15 | meoblast001 | aah |
| 01:21.42 | meoblast001 | away for a moment while it runs. brb |
| 01:21.43 | gnarface | meoblast001: limited support for bioses from 2007 and eariler otherwise we'd have been doing it this way all along |
| 01:22.05 | meoblast001 | hmmm |
| 01:22.11 | meoblast001 | i got this machine in 2006 |
| 01:22.17 | meoblast001 | nevermind that "brb" |
| 01:22.37 | Schrodinger`Cat | nkuttler: thanks, i sucessfull installed lame, i had note about english paste only |
| 01:22.44 | Schrodinger`Cat | jelly-home: ok |
| 01:22.53 | gnarface | meoblast001: well you might have luck and have a good bios but the unetbootin thing might be a userful alternative otherwise |
| 01:23.09 | meoblast001 | ah, ok :) |
| 01:23.44 | gnarface | meoblast001: also i just learned a really weird one - some of those era of bioses will boot via USB but only if its formatted as a floppy disk or IOMEGA ZIP drive |
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| 01:24.01 | gnarface | meoblast001: which you can do with syslinux if unetbootin fails you |
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| 01:24.57 | meoblast001 | well. thanks |
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| 01:25.00 | meoblast001 | brb while i try it |
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| 01:27.31 | Launch_Director | how to change IP permanently? |
| 01:28.05 | ManoftheSea | happy birthday debian |
| 01:28.11 | Launch_Director | is it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:28.18 | Launch_Director | ? |
| 01:28.22 | ManoftheSea | Launch_Director: I can give you a technically correct answer, but I'd like to know more about your situation. |
| 01:28.31 | ManoftheSea | You're on a private network, and know the target IP isn't used? |
| 01:28.36 | ManoftheSea | Are you using DHCP? |
| 01:28.38 | gnarface | woohoo! happy birthday debian!!! |
| 01:28.44 | Launch_Director | ManoftheSea: yeh |
| 01:28.59 | ManoftheSea | why do you need to change it? |
| 01:29.00 | Launch_Director | ManoftheSea: i can change with sudo ifconfig ip |
| 01:29.19 | Launch_Director | but if i wanted to change permanently how would i do it? |
| 01:29.22 | ManoftheSea | dhcp should let you release your lease, then change your mac and get a new lease. |
| 01:29.28 | sambagirl | can you do like with centos and run setup? |
| 01:29.31 | ManoftheSea | or you can release your lease and request a new one. |
| 01:29.39 | ManoftheSea | new ip in the lease, I mean |
| 01:30.05 | Launch_Director | ManoftheSea: but if i want to set a specific ip? |
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| 01:30.20 | sambagirl | here is a question i am wondering. what was the first linux name? slackware? or just linux? |
| 01:30.21 | ManoftheSea | you're using DHCP. Get the DHCP server to assign it to you. |
| 01:30.22 | meoblast001 | nope |
| 01:30.34 | ManoftheSea | sambagirl: "first linux" distribution? |
| 01:30.39 | sambagirl | oui |
| 01:30.48 | sambagirl | slackware? |
| 01:31.01 | sambagirl | AmigaOS ? |
| 01:31.02 | sambagirl | :D |
| 01:31.13 | sambagirl | i think it was slackware |
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| 01:31.53 | nkuttler | sambagirl: the first linux name was freax or something like that. distros came later |
| 01:32.14 | sambagirl | it wasnt lindows? |
| 01:32.19 | nkuttler | and linux is just a kernel |
| 01:32.26 | sambagirl | ok |
| 01:34.01 | ManoftheSea | lindows is recent. |
| 01:34.03 | sambagirl | well i just did some research and it appears that actually freax was a uid linus used |
| 01:34.38 | nkuttler | sambagirl: you probably want ##linux |
| 01:34.42 | sambagirl | it's interesting that debian is listed at the beginning of the lists on wikipedia |
| 01:34.55 | sambagirl | yes let me check there |
| 01:34.57 | sambagirl | thanks |
| 01:35.30 | ManoftheSea | debian is 19 years old. |
| 01:35.32 | ManoftheSea | today. |
| 01:36.05 | abrotman | cardamon: you're still connecting to other services |
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| 01:41.49 | meoandroid | hi |
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| 01:42.44 | meoandroid | if i have a home partition I'm keeping and I'm installing the system on a logical drive, do i want that to have boot on? |
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| 02:07.55 | grothendieck | wat? |
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| 02:11.16 | Japex | Hi, I just recently installed Debian and I managed to install drivers for my Netgear N300 wireless adapter using ndiswrapper's gtk frontend, sadly I cannot figure out how to get wicd to use this driver so if someone could help me that would be nice, thanks ahead of time. |
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| 02:11.49 | abrotman | you have to tell wicd which interface you want it to manage |
| 02:13.01 | Japex | would you mind telling me how to do this or linking to a guide that explains how this is done? |
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| 02:13.43 | grothendieck | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man8/wicd.8.html |
| 02:13.47 | grothendieck | ^ Japex |
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| 02:14.04 | abrotman | Japex: there's a preferences tab IIRC, it will have a spot for wired and wireless .. |
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| 02:15.45 | Japex | I'm looking at that now and I assume that I have to enter something into the wireless interface form, i'm quite idiotic so i really have no clue as to what i'm supposed to place there. |
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| 02:17.49 | lukasoft | I'm fairly new to debian...where would binutils be installed? |
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| 02:19.15 | jordanm | Lukas: dpkg -L binutils |
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| 02:23.41 | Japex | I went ahead and tried getting a bit of information on my network devices but it seems as ifconfig is not installed and I currently lack a decent chunk of packages which I would rather not download by hand. Is there an alternative method that could be of use? |
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| 02:37.57 | renzhi | hello, an emergency question: how do I recover the root passwd? I tried the recovery mode, but it keeps asking for root passwd, which I forgot |
| 02:38.12 | renzhi | the system is debian wheezy |
| 02:38.23 | ManoftheSea | renzhi: you boot from liveCD, chroot into the environment, and run passwd |
| 02:38.24 | abrotman | !tell renzhi about ifrp |
| 02:38.25 | peterrooney | renzhi: add "init=/bin/sh" to boot |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | you don't need a liveCD |
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| 02:38.37 | ManoftheSea | oh, yeah, that'd do. |
| 02:38.51 | ManoftheSea | is not as awesome at the brotman |
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| 02:39.11 | ManoftheSea | not just any brotman. |
| 02:39.16 | peterrooney | ManoftheSea: it's OK, it's a high target to aim for |
| 02:39.17 | renzhi | peterrooney: I did, but it does seem to work |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | cause there are more than one of us on freenode :) |
| 02:39.38 | renzhi | on which line should I add that? I type 'e' into the menu |
| 02:39.48 | ManoftheSea | on the linux line |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | the kernel line, not the initrd line |
| 02:40.03 | renzhi | let me try again |
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| 02:41.10 | renzhi | got it! Thanks everyone, I put in on the wrong line, stupid me |
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| 02:42.55 | ManoftheSea | how does one commit a quilt patch? "quilt diff > patches/patchname"? |
| 02:43.10 | peterrooney | renzhi: No. A more informed you. |
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| 02:45.08 | renzhi | :) |
| 02:45.51 | nickgaw | Hi, With the debian mirrorsync script from http://alioth.debian.org/~fjp/debmirror/ why do I get errors about the mirror stamp file it gets for testing not being found? |
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| 02:48.38 | iToast | So debian |
| 02:48.43 | iToast | I heard its your birthdays... |
| 02:48.52 | iToast | So i thought i'd say hurry up and compile |
| 02:48.56 | Japex | Okay, I keep reading around and I still can't find anything. |
| 02:48.57 | iToast | I dont wana be as old as you when you're done >:( |
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| 02:49.06 | Japex | ndiswrapper -l is telling me that the driver is installed |
| 02:49.18 | Japex | wicd just doesnt work |
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| 02:57.39 | docgnome_web | when upgrading from stable to sid, do i need to upgrade to testing first? |
| 02:58.37 | rudi_s | docgnome_web: If you have to ask, better stay with stable. |
| 02:58.47 | docgnome_web | ... |
| 02:58.53 | Devastator | docgnome why do you want sid? |
| 02:58.55 | docgnome_web | or you could just answer my questins, |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | docgnome_web: they should be close enough that it shouldn't matter currently .. soetimes it matters, sometimes not |
| 02:59.07 | rudi_s | docgnome_web: I could, but you could also do some reading on your own. |
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| 02:59.15 | nickgaw | you should not need to upgrade to testing first I once went from stable to sid |
| 02:59.18 | abrotman | docgnome_web: but really, you'd probably do better to use wheezy currently |
| 02:59.25 | rudi_s | (Which is what you have to do with sid anyway.) |
| 02:59.42 | docgnome_web | abrotman: why's that? i've been using testing on another machine for a while |
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| 03:00.02 | nickgaw | just remember if you upgrade to sid to comment out lines for security and I also purged unattended-upgrades. |
| 03:00.02 | abrotman | docgnome_web: i said wheezy, not testing .. wheezy will eventually release .. |
| 03:00.19 | abrotman | docgnome_web: do what you wish, we can't stop you |
| 03:00.48 | docgnome_web | Thanks. |
| 03:01.18 | nickgaw | I have unattended-upgrades working with testing and wheezy as there are sections in one file you have to change. |
| 03:02.17 | Devastator | predicts problems |
| 03:02.32 | nickgaw | for what? |
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| 03:02.53 | Devastator | not related to you nickgaw |
| 03:03.44 | nickgaw | has anyone here used the debian-cd package to build a DVD of the debian system that can be installed? |
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| 03:05.25 | nickgaw | I am basically trying to download enough of the debian system to make the first installation DVD of testing with an installer to go along with it. |
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| 03:13.45 | Devastator | the netinst cd doesn't suits you? |
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| 03:24.26 | meoblast001 | okay. Ubuntu PPA for Mozilla on a Debian machine |
| 03:24.28 | meoblast001 | yes or no? |
| 03:24.38 | Devastator | no |
| 03:24.44 | meoblast001 | dang |
| 03:24.56 | meoblast001 | i need to find a Debian equivalent of the "Ubuntu Mozilla Daily Build Team" |
| 03:25.06 | mmnicolas | nickgaw: I've been using debian for a decade and never heard of this, however, I see stuff about jigdo everytime I get to the download page |
| 03:25.50 | mmnicolas | there even a template to build a blu-ray |
| 03:25.55 | Devastator | meoblast001 see if mozilla.debian.net has what you want |
| 03:26.04 | meoblast001 | hm, ok |
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| 03:27.54 | meoblast001 | woo |
| 03:27.58 | meoblast001 | copy and paste is broke :D |
| 03:28.37 | Japex | bleh went ahead and dropped what i was trying to do |
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| 03:32.27 | meoblast001 | -_- |
| 03:32.54 | meoblast001 | http://pastebin.com/Y8J8pFug |
| 03:33.33 | meoblast001 | lol |
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| 03:34.57 | Devastator | meoblast001 which one did you chose? |
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| 03:35.27 | meoblast001 | stable (squeeze) release for iceweasel |
| 03:35.44 | meoblast001 | stable (squeeze) esr for icedov |
| 03:36.40 | Devastator | and you added those lines, run apt-get update etc, correct? |
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| 03:37.23 | meoblast001 | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 03:37.23 | meoblast001 | deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports icedove-esr |
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| 03:37.35 | meoblast001 | Devastator: i did it through Synaptic, but yes |
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| 03:38.33 | Devastator | you forgot this line: deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
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| 03:39.30 | innociv__ | I'm trying set up monit to stop a node.js script when it uses too much cpu. "sudo /bin/bash -c '/bin/kill -15 `cat /var/run/messenger.pid`'" works to stop it but stop program = "/bin/bash -c '/bin/kill -15 `cat /var/run/messenger.pid`'" in monit config isn't working. Even when I "sudo monit stop all" it doesn't stop it. |
| 03:39.48 | meoblast001 | yay :D |
| 03:39.50 | meoblast001 | Devastator: thanks |
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| 03:43.18 | Devastator | np :) |
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| 03:46.39 | meoblast001 | hm, i like the simplicity of Debian |
| 03:46.46 | meoblast001 | but we're still on OpenOffice and FF 3.5 i see :P |
| 03:46.50 | meoblast001 | keeping it old school |
| 03:48.54 | sney | meoblast001: for the latter, http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; for the former, debian stable's openoffice build was from go-oo.org, which is basically identical to libreoffice and is developed by the same people |
| 03:49.08 | meoblast001 | ah |
| 03:49.18 | meoblast001 | hm. i wonder if i can get lightning too |
| 03:50.04 | sney | under debian branding that one is called 'iceowl' |
| 03:51.15 | meoblast001 | ooh |
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| 03:52.01 | meoblast001 | :| more than just a branding change |
| 03:52.09 | meoblast001 | they don't even look at my old configuration |
| 03:53.25 | meoblast001 | iceowl throws dependency issues :< |
| 03:53.27 | meoblast001 | iceowl : Depends: calendar-timezones (= 1.0~b1+dfsg2-2+squeeze2) but 10.0.6-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed |
| 03:54.06 | sney | looks like there isn't a backport of iceowl then |
| 03:54.26 | meoblast001 | could i install a non-backport? |
| 03:54.39 | sney | debian 6 is getting to the end of its period as the stable release so you'll see things like this pop up as you try to use newer programs |
| 03:54.51 | meoblast001 | should i dist-upgrade? |
| 03:54.57 | meoblast001 | hm.. can debian 6 even do a dist-upgrade yet? |
| 03:55.09 | sney | if you want. I use wheezy personally, but some things are a little shaky still |
| 03:55.21 | meoblast001 | shaky as Ubuntu 12.04? |
| 03:55.26 | sney | wouldn't know |
| 03:55.26 | meoblast001 | where my machine had a new problem every 2 weeks |
| 03:55.43 | meoblast001 | serious show stopper.. one time it was random system halts... next time Xorg kept restarting itself |
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| 03:56.10 | sney | really just depends on your use case. I can't promise anything. but wheezy has been frozen for the next release, and the number of RC bugs is gradually going down |
| 03:56.24 | meoblast001 | ah, cool |
| 03:57.36 | ManoftheSea | I use wheezy too. |
| 03:57.49 | ManoftheSea | No big problems here. |
| 03:57.58 | ManoftheSea | some quirks with bluetooth headset. |
| 03:58.15 | sney | my wifi was wrecked by a kernel upgrade, but using the next oldest one resolved that |
| 03:58.32 | sney | and the bug report I filed found the cause, too |
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| 03:59.10 | ManoftheSea | yay sney |
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| 03:59.33 | meoblast001 | sney: is it possible to just upgrade from the current version 6 without a reinstall? |
| 03:59.39 | sney | yes |
| 03:59.44 | sney | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:59.44 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 04:00.21 | ManoftheSea | urg, building grub-2.00 from the dpkg source... |
| 04:00.35 | ManoftheSea | Is it seriously going to build all the different targets for my arch? |
| 04:02.33 | Devastator | ManoftheSea i think that's because of multiarch |
| 04:03.05 | ManoftheSea | I think it's because the "grub2" source package creates, like, 10 binary packages. |
| 04:03.49 | ManoftheSea | grub-coreboot, grub-efi-amd64, grub-efi-ia32, etc... |
| 04:03.58 | meoblast001 | sney: so squeeze-updates is not replaced but just removed? |
| 04:04.42 | Devastator | yes |
| 04:04.50 | Devastator | for now at least |
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| 04:05.40 | meoblast001 | Devastator: and when wheezy goes stable? |
| 04:06.09 | Devastator | not ETA afaik |
| 04:06.13 | Devastator | s/not/no |
| 04:06.20 | meoblast001 | sorry |
| 04:06.30 | meoblast001 | what i meant was, when it goes stable will the sources automatically be reenabled? |
| 04:06.38 | meoblast001 | or will i have to just know when it goes stable and update the sources |
| 04:06.54 | Devastator | the second |
| 04:06.55 | gabesubdo | has lists.debian.org always had an invalid SSL cert? |
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| 04:12.10 | meoblast001 | Devastator: :3 i've been threatening my machine that i would install Debian on it for months |
| 04:12.14 | meoblast001 | finally i have kept to my word |
| 04:13.02 | Devastator | meoblast001 are you happy with it? |
| 04:13.12 | meoblast001 | mostly |
| 04:13.16 | meoblast001 | i just need to get used to it again |
| 04:13.24 | meoblast001 | it's been a long time since i've used Debian on a machine that is not a server |
| 04:13.33 | meoblast001 | historically i've used Ubuntu for desktops and Debian for servers |
| 04:15.37 | Devastator | meoblast001 never used ubuntu :( |
| 04:15.54 | meoblast001 | ah |
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| 04:16.01 | meoblast001 | only thing i miss right now are the PPAs |
| 04:16.20 | meoblast001 | example: i used to use this and it was lovely https://launchpad.net/~geany-dev/+archive/ppa |
| 04:16.31 | meoblast001 | but i'll probably have to compile it from scratch |
| 04:16.42 | ManoftheSea | why do you miss PPAs? |
| 04:17.04 | meoblast001 | it allows me to get automatically compiled bleeding edge versions of software i use frequently |
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| 04:17.38 | ManoftheSea | so, like running sid? |
| 04:17.58 | craigevil | meoblast001: there is a nightly build repo for geany |
| 04:18.15 | sney | PPAs have a bit of a quality assurance problem and that's why you won't see them on debian. but building .debs from debianized source is insanely easy anyway, so it's no big deal |
| 04:18.26 | meoblast001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.27 | ManoftheSea | is reminded to check if 3.5.2 is the latest kernel |
| 04:18.44 | ManoftheSea | oh yeah, debian native? |
| 04:18.51 | ManoftheSea | there's bzr-buildpackage |
| 04:18.58 | craigevil | 3.5.1 is in experimental, but it is still missing the linux-kbuild |
| 04:19.01 | ManoftheSea | I'd guess it downloads and builds, right there. |
| 04:19.14 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: You building out of experimental? |
| 04:19.17 | ManoftheSea | craigevil: hmm? Oh, I didn't realize there were debian packages. |
| 04:19.21 | ManoftheSea | I'm building vanilla |
| 04:19.24 | Diopter | Aha |
| 04:19.28 | sney | I'm just referring to dget,dpkg-source,dpkg-buildpackage personally |
| 04:19.30 | ManoftheSea | I don't know the difference |
| 04:19.40 | Diopter | Presumably debian-specific patchset |
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| 04:19.49 | Diopter | Maybe not though |
| 04:19.53 | sney | yeah, debian has a bunch of kernel patches |
| 04:19.56 | ManoftheSea | right... anything show-stopping? |
| 04:20.01 | ManoftheSea | I should look sometime. |
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| 04:20.18 | sney | usually it's bug fixes and duct tape over weird changes that torvalds made |
| 04:20.18 | ManoftheSea | make-kpkg is so easy, I didn't think to check |
| 04:20.41 | sney | stop using make-kpkg, it's deprecated, see http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:20.45 | ManoftheSea | oh? |
| 04:21.28 | sney | (make deb-pkg is just as easy if not easier and it builds all the same kernel debs you'd get from a repository, too) |
| 04:21.41 | Dan39 | hi again guys :) |
| 04:22.00 | Dan39 | ooo its Diopter! hows it doing? |
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| 04:22.31 | sney | o_o |
| 04:22.55 | Diopter | Dan39: lolhi. Going well here! |
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| 04:23.04 | ManoftheSea | according to this "policy for patch acceptance", I shouldn't have debian patches if I'm always running the latest kernel, right? |
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| 04:24.10 | Dan39 | ok now i looking for help with a completely different problem: proftpd with ssl/tls :P |
| 04:24.30 | Dan39 | just cant seem to get it working, ive got it where it seems to login but then it stalls on data connections trying to get directory listing |
| 04:24.36 | sney | urgh, ftp |
| 04:25.02 | meoblast001 | O_o |
| 04:25.05 | sney | speaking of things that are (should be) deprecated |
| 04:25.06 | meoblast001 | suddenly, there was Open Build Service |
| 04:25.28 | Diopter | FTP is horribly terrible in every way :P |
| 04:25.41 | Dan39 | yea i know, but so many people want it :| |
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| 04:25.54 | sney | meoblast001: indeed, but it's not supported here, so you're on your own for that stuff |
| 04:26.01 | meoblast001 | yeah |
| 04:26.04 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: Appears to be over 250 patches in the 3.5 trunk package from experimental |
| 04:26.08 | sney | most people who claim to want ftp don't know that sftp exists |
| 04:26.09 | meoblast001 | on Ubuntu i only used a select few PPAs |
| 04:26.12 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: .. now I want to build a vanilla and see :P |
| 04:26.22 | meoblast001 | only for packages i tend to use very very often that i needed up to date |
| 04:26.31 | Diopter | Dan39: So have you verified that without ssl/tls it works? |
| 04:26.39 | Dan39 | http://sprunge.us/NbXK |
| 04:26.41 | ManoftheSea | so... The vanilla sources have debian targets? |
| 04:26.44 | Dan39 | yea ftp works without ssl/tls |
| 04:26.46 | sney | ManoftheSea: yep |
| 04:26.46 | ManoftheSea | that's cool! |
| 04:28.49 | Dan39 | and this is my tls.conf |
| 04:28.52 | Dan39 | http://sprunge.us/dMUe |
| 04:29.26 | ManoftheSea | Diopter: build a vanilla and see what? |
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| 04:30.41 | Dan39 | crap this is a ubuntu system |
| 04:30.49 | Dan39 | <_< |
| 04:30.58 | Dan39 | ive got so many boxes i cant keep track |
| 04:31.08 | Dan39 | almost all of them are debian, but this 1 person insisted on ubuntu |
| 04:31.26 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: See if there's any useful differences in performance. |
| 04:31.31 | Dan39 | bangs head against wall |
| 04:31.36 | craigevil | meoblast001: there are 3rd party repos for Debian , but you probably won't need any, I keep a list of the ones I come across, https://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home |
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| 04:32.21 | meoblast001 | ah, cool :D |
| 04:32.22 | meoblast001 | thanks |
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| 04:34.57 | sney | meoblast001: just know that a whole lot of that stuff is not supported in #debian, so be wise about what you enable as you might be on your own for any breakange |
| 04:35.23 | meoblast001 | well, i don't think i'm going to change anything low level |
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| 04:35.37 | meoblast001 | on Ubuntu i only used xorg-edgers to get around annoying Ubuntu-specific problems |
| 04:35.47 | meoblast001 | everything else was high level.. Firefox. Geany.. mostly GUI apps |
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| 04:37.57 | Uuni | Hi |
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| 04:40.17 | Bensois | Guys, what do you think of things like this. |
| 04:40.18 | Bensois | I quote: |
| 04:40.20 | Bensois | "Karen, Yes I feel my body vibrating if I get close to smart meters, wi-fi, cell towers, etc. Feel the pulses." |
| 04:40.53 | Bensois | "I feel pressure & pulses near towers Feels like little needles sticking." |
| 04:41.11 | ManoftheSea | Bensois: did someone install a magnet? |
| 04:41.13 | Bensois | One man with a home 200 yards away from 10 cell phone towers said that his home tested very high for EMF noise from those towers. |
| 04:41.48 | ManoftheSea | Bensois: this is offtopic |
| 04:42.10 | Bensois | This is the most acgive tech channel on the Internet |
| 04:42.12 | Bensois | as far as I know. |
| 04:42.15 | Bensois | active** |
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| 04:42.36 | Artemis3 | Bensois, not really, ans: faraday cage. |
| 04:42.41 | ManoftheSea | right? talking about em sensitivity is still offtopic. At least take it to offtopic |
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| 04:43.48 | Bensois | You are suggesting one make a Faraday cage of their home? |
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| 04:43.59 | Bensois | I read that old homes built with chicken wire can act as Faraday cages. |
| 04:44.01 | ManoftheSea | !offtopic |
| 04:44.01 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 04:44.04 | Bensois | Shut up. |
| 04:45.29 | meoblast001 | sudo apt-get install chicken-wire |
| 04:45.33 | meoblast001 | now we're back on topic |
| 04:45.36 | Bensois | frequencies from cell towers beaming through the ceiling. |
| 04:45.52 | craigevil | Bensois: go babble some where else |
| 04:46.13 | Bensois | My understanding is that these RF Microwave Radiation frequencies from smart meters, cell phones, cell towers etc cause a 37% increase of glucose in the blood as well as "brittle" diabetes or diabetes 3. |
| 04:46.21 | ManoftheSea | !ops Bensois offtopic |
| 04:46.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: manofthesea complains about: Bensois offtopic |
| 04:46.33 | craigevil | dam you beat me too it :) |
| 04:47.07 | Bensois | Found a healthy young man today just diagnosed wtih diabetes. |
| 04:47.41 | Bensois | The density and intensity of cell towers in any major Mexican city or town is unbelievable. |
| 04:48.29 | Bensois | I was suppose to take a cruise to Mexico this past March, but opted out after |
| 04:48.44 | Bensois | finding out that cruise ships are like giant microwave ovens now, |
| 04:49.25 | Bensois | And you can forget that nice Mexican Beach Vacation you were thinking about. Mexico is a Radiation Nightmare. I recently visited Mexico. The poorMexicans are being FRIED over easy. |
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| 04:50.09 | Bensois | I was astounded at how they were literallyevery where, at every monument, every market, every place people gather, allover every residential area, even on the farms out of towns were blanketed withthem. In Mexico, many of the the cell towers are like rattlesnakes, they comein pairs and they are monsters. |
| 04:50.53 | Diopter | Bensois: You're a boring troll. |
| 04:51.06 | meoblast001 | is it debian story time? |
| 04:51.38 | Bensois | Beware of California or any major city for that matter!! I thought Seattle wasbad until I went to Southern California. Anything near or in any town or cityin California is a Radiation nightmare. |
| 04:51.46 | craigevil | no its dumbass hour |
| 04:52.18 | Bensois | In anygiven area of Los Angeles, you can count from 200 to 300 cell towers within a2-4 mile radius. |
| 04:52.19 | meoblast001 | hm, dumbass hour starts when i get here... interesting |
| 04:52.23 | Bensois | So what do we do about this radiation nightmare? |
| 04:52.29 | Bensois | I am at my witt's end. |
| 04:52.41 | Japex | Incase your head tin foil. |
| 04:52.55 | Japex | *in tin foil |
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| 04:54.08 | ManoftheSea | So, gnuradio will build on debian, and the osmo guys can build code for using an rtl to listen to gsm traffic. |
| 04:54.50 | ManoftheSea | so, on my debian system, I can see where gsm channels are, and get an idea of their power. |
| 04:54.52 | Bensois | Got to escape the radiation nightmare. |
| 04:55.08 | ManoftheSea | Turns out... the sun is much hotter than any of the towers. |
| 04:55.37 | Bensois | It's not about heat, dummy. |
| 04:55.45 | craigevil | hm the sun, that's the bright thing in that outside place right? |
| 04:55.48 | Bensois | Gosh you simpleton masses are so stupidly idiotic most of the time. |
| 04:55.57 | ManoftheSea | !timecube |
| 04:55.57 | dpkg | check http://www.timecube.com |
| 04:56.09 | ManoftheSea | oh wow that worked?! |
| 04:56.15 | craigevil | Bensois: go troll somewhere else this is #debian not #dumbass |
| 04:56.16 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: It spins in four directions simu'taneously! |
| 04:56.42 | Diopter | Gene Ray is an hero of the webernets. Bensois would get along with him famously. |
| 04:57.11 | Bensois | I can't stand cel phone towers. |
| 04:57.18 | ManoftheSea | hmm... I'm running into error with deb-buildpackage |
| 04:57.38 | ManoftheSea | when it fails, and I have -j5, it's not really clear where the error lies. |
| 04:57.46 | Diopter | Bensois: Not impressed. If you were really concerned about radiation you wouldn't be on a computer. |
| 04:57.48 | ManoftheSea | How do I start from that point, with -j1? |
| 04:58.01 | ManoftheSea | Do I just "make" in some directory? |
| 04:58.19 | microcolonel | exit |
| 04:58.20 | microcolonel | vhups |
| 04:58.48 | Bensois | Diopter: I am doing my research on it, dumbass. |
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| 04:59.04 | grothendieck | ManoftheSea: usually you do './configure ; make ; [sudo] make install' |
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| 04:59.13 | grothendieck | sudo is optional depending on the install path and everything |
| 04:59.21 | ManoftheSea | what is this sudo? |
| 04:59.24 | ManoftheSea | Are you an ubuntu? |
| 04:59.26 | grothendieck | obviously you run that in the same directory as the configure script and makefile |
| 04:59.35 | grothendieck | su -c 'make install' |
| 04:59.45 | grothendieck | you don't want to run configure or make as root |
| 04:59.53 | ManoftheSea | grothendieck: I'm a little more advanced than your current advice. |
| 04:59.54 | grothendieck | (usually) |
| 05:00.14 | grothendieck | I saw a question about running make |
| 05:00.17 | Bensois | "These wood houses in NJ are like match boxes energy wise." |
| 05:00.19 | Bensois | What does this mean? |
| 05:00.22 | ManoftheSea | Specifically, I'm trying to modify the grub2-2.00 to build the debian binary packages for grub2 |
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| 05:00.26 | Bensois | Wood = terrible for EMF protection?? |
| 05:00.35 | ManoftheSea | grothendieck: but thank you. |
| 05:00.40 | grothendieck | Oh |
| 05:00.50 | ManoftheSea | I should probably ask debian-mentor. |
| 05:00.54 | grothendieck | Yes |
| 05:00.58 | ManoftheSea | thanks again. |
| 05:01.01 | Bensois | I heard a recent interview with Dr. Klinghardt, and he said thatthe RF signals were very low in his room in downtown New York city!He said that this was because these very old buildings with theirthick exterior walls were doing a great job of shielding the RF. |
| 05:01.34 | ManoftheSea | I discovered that, in a hotel, it's easier to get wifi through the cinderblock than through the window. |
| 05:01.36 | mmnicolas | Bensois: you realize you in a debian support channel ? hello ? |
| 05:01.39 | grothendieck | ManoftheSea: you have read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 05:01.48 | ManoftheSea | grothendieck: I am reading it, yes. |
| 05:01.52 | Bensois | ManoftheSea: Why is that? |
| 05:02.04 | Bensois | mmnicolas: Talking about all things tech at this late hour. |
| 05:02.23 | Artemis3 | no #tech? :3 |
| 05:02.37 | ManoftheSea | Bensois: debian is not for "all things tech". |
| 05:03.13 | Bensois | For what it's worth, I wanted to add that I have heard from one consultant thatthe ocean front can be nasty, due (if I understood correctly)to emf reflectedby or skipping across the water. |
| 05:03.31 | threadlock | also, it is not a "late hour" all around the world |
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| 05:04.25 | craigevil | no but it appears the ops are all either a sleep or busy, otherwise this dumbass would have been kicked by now |
| 05:05.06 | grothendieck | Bensois is trying to pass the turing test |
| 05:05.23 | grothendieck | at least that is what I imagine |
| 05:05.28 | ManoftheSea | craigevil: keep it civil. |
| 05:05.31 | Bensois | "When I'm near a mobile phone, the burning goes through my entire body", "I have had cancer twice." Voices of anger emanate from a hyper-communicative concrete jungle. |
| 05:05.48 | Bensois | Whilst the industry will always be quick to dismiss the costs of the multi-billion dollar Telecom machine, leading scientists say more studies must be done: "This is the world's largest biological experiment ever". |
| 05:06.02 | Bensois | How can we explain the shocking rise in brain tumours, lou gehrig's disease, and Parkinsons, since the onset of GSM technology in 1997? Medical writer, Blake Levitt refers to thirteen studies which have shown that low level radiation exposure leads to "breaks in your DNA". |
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| 05:06.06 | mmnicolas | I heard if you say abrotman three times, he will appear, abrotman abrotman. |
| 05:06.17 | Bensois | Yet Doctor Slevin suggests just why findings are still inconclusive: "You should know who wrote the health standards, which is the Motorolas, and Nokias of the world". |
| 05:06.35 | Bensois | Like many, Mrs Grandlund-lind was left with no option but to shut herself away in a house in the middle of the woods; she loses the ability to speak if in the presence of a mobile phone for a few hours. |
| 05:06.48 | Bensois | Predictably, she was told she was mad. Yet Blake Levitt is adamant that "these people are our canaries in the coalmine at the moment. We have to listen to them". |
| 05:07.01 | ManoftheSea | mmnicolas: like this: abortman, a brat man, abruptman |
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| 05:07.14 | Bensois | Those who aren't hyper-electro sensitive may be ever more at risk, happily living in an increasingly wireless society. When antennas went up on a neighbour's house, Evie's first thought was "I get a full signal, great!". Yet soon reports of "dizziness, inability to concentrate, disruption of menstrual cycles", came. |
| 05:07.20 | Artemis3 | can we ask the freenode ppl? |
| 05:07.27 | mmnicolas | Bensois: by now you sure have noticed nobody cares and everybody wants you to gtfo |
| 05:07.32 | Bensois | In a village in Northern Israel, the effects were more severe. There was an unprecedented wave of cancer deaths, each in a house wth a giant antenna on top. |
| 05:07.44 | Bensois | You little brainwashed wimps. |
| 05:07.46 | bazhang | Bensois, stop that |
| 05:07.48 | Bensois | Listen to me and what I am saying. |
| 05:07.51 | Bensois | This is important information. |
| 05:07.52 | craigevil | !ops Bensois troll |
| 05:07.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: craigevil complains about: Bensois troll |
| 05:07.53 | Bensois | Listen. |
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| 05:08.15 | Diopter | Bensois: Actually, it's just a ranty bunch of adolescent misinformation, presented trollishly. |
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| 05:08.32 | aq | Bensois? |
| 05:08.42 | dax | aq: No need for spectators, thanks. |
| 05:08.45 | aq | ok |
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| 05:09.26 | grothendieck | Goodnight |
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| 05:10.54 | mmnicolas | that's nice, they muted him |
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| 05:12.01 | Diopter | mmnicolas: Poor bastard probably didn't even realize that until you just said so :P |
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| 05:12.54 | mmnicolas | That's even nicer |
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| 05:15.27 | ManoftheSea | so, I can look at the debian/rules file, and try to follow said rules and see what error I get |
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| 05:18.40 | dutchfish | hi, is it possible in Debian instead of using `usermod -s /bin/false USERID` to disable shellaccess to make it group dependant through PAM? any hints welcome. |
| 05:19.56 | dutchfish | because i have alreadu a group dependant ACL in place |
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| 05:24.52 | ManoftheSea | acl? to what, the shell? |
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| 05:25.57 | dutchfish | ManoftheSea, no, consider a group of admins that are hranted shell access by means of being a member of a group instead of /bin/false or /bin/shell for shellaccess. |
| 05:26.08 | dutchfish | s/hranted/granted |
| 05:26.09 | mmnicolas | Never worked with PAM except in the kitchen, but wouldn't a cloned shell set to "r-xr-x--- root specialgroup" achieve that ? |
| 05:26.27 | dutchfish | no |
| 05:27.45 | dutchfish | one way of doing it is having a cron job that reads and sets this through usermod depending on group state, but that is rather clumsy. |
| 05:28.07 | dutchfish | maybe there is a way through PAM? |
| 05:28.13 | ManoftheSea | could you write a script that checked group, and then execed either the shell or false? |
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| 05:28.38 | dutchfish | ManoftheSea, and hook that up to PAM, yes, that would be possible. |
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| 05:28.43 | ManoftheSea | I still don't understand where the acl matters. |
| 05:28.48 | ManoftheSea | why to PAM? |
| 05:28.53 | dutchfish | ManoftheSea, good idee, thanks. |
| 05:29.08 | ManoftheSea | it'd be the "shell" that they log in to, and it just makes a simple switch based on groups |
| 05:29.23 | dutchfish | ManoftheSea, because PAM is hooked up to ldap where central management is done of the userbase. |
| 05:29.49 | ManoftheSea | so PAM assigns the groups with pam_ldap |
| 05:29.52 | dutchfish | ManoftheSea, this is a more then one machine setup |
| 05:30.00 | dutchfish | ManoftheSea, bingo |
| 05:30.01 | ManoftheSea | but it doesn't need to do anything to decide based on those groups. |
| 05:30.07 | simonlnu | dutchfish: openldap dyngroup maybe |
| 05:30.23 | dutchfish | simonlnu, good tip, i check that one out as well, thanks. |
| 05:30.24 | ManoftheSea | I seem to think there's something that only certain groups can login. |
| 05:30.34 | ManoftheSea | not as the shell, but in... auth? |
| 05:30.43 | simonlnu | it' an overlay |
| 05:30.53 | dutchfish | simonlnu, exactly. |
| 05:30.56 | ManoftheSea | pam_groups in common-auth? |
| 05:30.58 | simonlnu | s |
| 05:31.23 | dutchfish | i figure it out, thanks to all for the hints. |
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| 05:32.40 | simonlnu | have fun |
| 05:32.49 | dutchfish | :) |
| 05:34.59 | dutchfish | simonlnu, very. |
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| 06:23.01 | mbalmer | hi. is it technically possible to have the packaging files (control, rules, x.install etc) in a subdir of a source tree instead of at the toplevel? eg. mysrc/packaging/debian instead of mysrc/debian ? |
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| 07:00.31 | nevyn | mbalmer: I'd ask #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 07:00.37 | nevyn | mbalmer: but I don't think so. |
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| 07:09.47 | tenzind | hi, I have a few-years-old macbook (white one). Its original hard drive is broken. Recently i replaced the hard drive with a transcend one intending to install debian on it. I could install from a debian weekly build iso without any problem. But Debian wont boot nor can i see any grub though i said "yes" to install grub. Does that mean it is not possible to install debian on a macbook as single boot? |
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| 07:12.52 | nevyn | tenzind: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/#Single_boot_.2BIBM_Debian_only |
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| 07:14.47 | mbalmer | nevyn, ok, thanks, will do! |
| 07:15.03 | nevyn | mbalmer: it's not all hugs and puppies tho |
| 07:15.25 | mbalmer | I have a thick skin.. |
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| 07:16.57 | tenzind | nevyn, So i need to have macos first to install Refit right? and it says "Here's a report: it doesn't work. Deleting the MacOS partition causes the system bootloader to not find anything to boot, even rEFIt. DO NOT DO THIS." So I cant single boot debian on macbook then? I dont even have the macos DVD :( |
| 07:17.04 | zeus | Greetings everyone, I have a question about video drivers |
| 07:17.28 | nevyn | mbalmer: oops I got confused.. |
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| 07:17.44 | nevyn | tenzind: this is something where fedora may well be ahead of debian :( |
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| 07:18.09 | zeus | I have a Lenovo T61 and I found video drivers that work for my system in ubuntu here: https://launchpad.net/~glasen/+archive/intel-driver |
| 07:18.17 | nevyn | !ubuntu |
| 07:18.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 07:18.54 | zeus | i was just wondering if the ubuntu package would work in debian? |
| 07:19.13 | nevyn | mbalmer: oh mentors are fine. I was talking aboutthe macbook thin not being hugs and puppies |
| 07:19.20 | nevyn | zeus: no. |
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| 07:19.39 | mbalmer | nevym, heh, I see.... |
| 07:19.47 | tenzind | nevyn, but I want debian. I love Debian. I have this old macbook and I want to have dear debian on it .. :( :) |
| 07:20.15 | nevyn | tenzind: maybe current d-i works. |
| 07:20.23 | nevyn | EFI is icky |
| 07:20.49 | nevyn | most support has been vi rEFIt which is a bios emulation |
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| 07:21.34 | tenzind | nevyn, and to have rEFIt, i need macos installed first right? ... |
| 07:22.14 | foetus | morning - is it normal that xz is using only one cpu on a dual core system ? |
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| 07:23.14 | nevyn | tenzind: uh-huh |
| 07:23.25 | tenzind | :( |
| 07:24.02 | nevyn | huh |
| 07:24.06 | nevyn | there you go. |
| 07:24.08 | nevyn | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/#Single_boot_.2BIBM_Debian_only |
| 07:24.16 | nevyn | it's new and shiny |
| 07:24.18 | nevyn | http://blog.einval.com/2012/08/12 |
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| 07:25.10 | tenzind | :) |
| 07:25.13 | nevyn | well shiny might be a stretch |
| 07:25.21 | foetus | first cpu is working near 100%.. second 0 |
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| 07:26.17 | foetus | (AMD Brazos) |
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| 07:27.37 | tenzind | nevyn, thank you. I will test that new and stretchy shiny netinst cd and see how it goes. and give some feedback .. :) |
| 07:28.41 | mmnicolas | fatalerrors: xz as in xz-utils ? |
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| 07:33.32 | tenzind | but I dont know whether the old macbook is 32 or 64 bit .. |
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| 07:36.27 | nevyn | tenzind: how old is it exactly? |
| 07:38.45 | tenzind | nevyn, i dont really know. somebody's throwing it away because of the broken hard disk. I picked it from the bin. :-) i love old machines and trying debian on them. |
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| 07:39.17 | nevyn | 32 should be safe regardless |
| 07:39.28 | open_source | hi there |
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| 07:40.17 | tenzind | nevyn, steve's iso is amd64 |
| 07:44.17 | nevyn | tenzind: I'd give it a go. |
| 07:44.21 | nevyn | regardless |
| 07:44.42 | nevyn | what's the worst that happens? you burn a few hundred meg of download entitlement? |
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| 07:45.56 | tenzind | nevyn, heh... i am a download entitlement miser .... |
| 07:46.00 | tenzind | is downloading now |
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| 07:59.14 | zeus | I have a cruicial m4 64gb SSD and I am installing Debian 6 Live 32bit on a Lenovo t61. Would it be most beneficial for the ssd if i seperate /home, /usr, /var and /tmp partitions? |
| 08:00.46 | Sm0ke0ut | depends how you're using your system |
| 08:01.18 | zeus | i just want whatever will produce the fastest performance |
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| 08:01.55 | zeus | if partitioning is negligible, i would just put all the files on one partition. |
| 08:02.25 | zeus | negligible for performance, that is. |
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| 08:05.24 | gnome3systemd | Why doesn't gnome3 in wheezy depend on systemd ? ( GNOME 3.2 release notes say >=3.4 will depend on it ) |
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| 08:16.58 | gnome3systemd | Why doesn't gnome3 in wheezy depend on systemd ? ( GNOME 3.2 release notes say >=3.4 will depend on it ) |
| 08:18.11 | SiDz | cause it dont depend on systemd but will |
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| 08:18.46 | SiDz | you should ask gnome3 package manager |
| 08:18.58 | gnome3systemd | That's what I'm trying to understand ... |
| 08:19.14 | gnome3systemd | GNOME3's current/future official stance on systemd ... |
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| 08:20.42 | gnome3systemd | Because this could potentially mean GNOME won't work of future versions of Debian/[kFreeBSD] |
| 08:21.53 | Sevet | why not? debian has systemd in testing |
| 08:22.03 | Sevet | (it's just optional right now) |
| 08:22.12 | gnome3systemd | systemd is linux-only |
| 08:22.24 | Sevet | ah kFreeBSD, gotcha |
| 08:23.44 | gnome3systemd | One more tick towards the potential to switch back to Xfce again. ^_^ |
| 08:26.09 | gnome3systemd | especially considering the author of systemd (who also happens to be the one to suggest GNOME's dependency on it) is the pulseaudio author... which i despise >_> |
| 08:26.46 | berarma | gnome3systemd: please, keep politics away |
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| 08:27.21 | dreamy` | gnome3systemd: why? |
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| 08:27.31 | gnome3systemd | berarma: why? |
| 08:27.34 | gnome3systemd | dreamy`: why what? |
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| 08:28.03 | gnome3systemd | ( why do i despise pulseaudio? ) |
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| 08:31.58 | dreamy` | gnome3systemd: why do you hate pulseaudio so much? |
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| 08:33.35 | gnome3systemd | dreamy`: it's superfluous/unnecessary, and i've experienced more problems than good with it ... so i've just purged it and everything works 100% |
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| 08:35.22 | gnome3systemd | in my opinion, ALSA has been a good solution to the notorious issues with oss/artsd/esd/jackd/etc. |
| 08:36.54 | pkkm | What does pulseaudio do that ALSA doesn't? |
| 08:37.49 | gnome3systemd | don't know exactly... i, personally, consider it essentially deprecated |
| 08:38.16 | gnome3systemd | meaning the only 'valid' purpose is for 'legacy' support of applications which use it explicitly |
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| 08:39.16 | gnome3systemd | well, i guess also maybe the fact that it's not linux-specific ... Heh |
| 08:39.26 | dreamy` | gnome3systemd: it sounds like that vim is unnecessary if emacs can work well. |
| 08:40.05 | gnome3systemd | Eh? I don't use either. And I don't get your analogy. |
| 08:41.29 | gnome3systemd | also, according to wikipedia: "It does not provide the advanced features (such as device aggregation, timer-based scheduling, and network audio) of PulseAudio. On the other hand, ALSA offers, when combined with corresponding sound cards, extremely low latencies." |
| 08:41.45 | llimeht_ | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 08:43.03 | dreamy` | gnome3systemd: i don't support your option that pulseaudio is unnecessary if alsa can work 100%. |
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| 08:45.32 | gnome3systemd | 了不起。 |
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| 08:55.56 | CyberDomovoy | hi |
| 08:56.10 | CyberDomovoy | i have troubles setting up postfix to use a smarthost: http://pastebin.ca/2190704 any idea? |
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| 09:12.07 | zetheroo | my colleague is setting up a new server (HP Proliant DL160 G6) using Debian and says that RAID is not being detected ... Hence I am trying to get this to work ... how do I go about checking if the RAID controller is being detected or not? |
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| 09:13.39 | docgnome_web | is there a way to search for packages that only shows the package name, not the description? |
| 09:14.18 | gnome3systemd | docgnome_web: aptitude search <keyword> |
| 09:14.56 | docgnome_web | right, but that shows them in the format of <package> <description> |
| 09:14.58 | lowstz | @docgnome_web: apt-cache search <keyword> |
| 09:15.12 | docgnome_web | right, i want it with just the package name |
| 09:15.15 | docgnome_web | nothing else |
| 09:15.33 | thewanderer1 | docgnome: apt-cache search keyword | cut -d" " -f1 |
| 09:15.44 | docgnome_web | ah cut, that's what i was looking for |
| 09:15.45 | docgnome_web | thanks! |
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| 09:16.49 | MRCracker | i have problem with my ntfs partition, when i umount it i can't remount that and says : 'Transport endpoint is not connected' and i have to restart system to able to use it again. |
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| 09:17.42 | MRCracker | how i can mount it without restart |
| 09:17.43 | MRCracker | ? |
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| 09:19.37 | gnome3systemd | zetheroo: http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot http://wiki.debian.org/SataRaid ( also, check /proc/mdstat | lspci | lshw | mdidecode | mdraid ) |
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| 09:21.05 | zetheroo | gnome3systemd: I just noticed that I cannot even get into the RAID utility with F4 when the server is powering on ... maybe the RAID controller is not even enabled!? |
| 09:22.09 | gnome3systemd | zetheroo: F4 ? |
| 09:22.17 | gnome3systemd | ... fedora ? |
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| 09:23.03 | zetheroo | gnome3systemd: when powering on the server, before it gets to loading the OS, there is a message that says to either press F4 or Ctrl+S to enter the RAID utility |
| 09:23.21 | MRCracker | not any idea? |
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| 09:23.48 | gnome3systemd | zetheroo: and what happens if you try? also, yeah, make sure to check BIOS to be sure the RAID is enabled ? |
| 09:24.38 | mc0e | I'm trying to figgure out apt pinning. Can someone tell me how I should be doing this: http://pastebin.com/QFdGvi1T |
| 09:24.42 | zetheroo | gnome3systemd: I have tried bother commands and nothing happens ... the system continues to the OS ... Also in the BIOS there is no RAID options as far as I can tell |
| 09:25.08 | gnome3systemd | MRCracker: not exactly a solution, but a suggestion ... use ntfs-3g instead of fuse ? |
| 09:25.18 | mc0e | nginx is still getting lower priority |
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| 09:25.46 | MRCracker | yes |
| 09:25.46 | wfq | hi guys |
| 09:26.38 | wfq | I forgot my root password and follow the steps to recover it by editting the grub boot menu and adding init=/bin/bash rw. I gain access to a console with root permissions but I don't have the "passwd" command |
| 09:26.40 | wfq | any idea? |
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| 09:27.14 | themill | Do you have a separate /usr |
| 09:27.50 | wfq | themill, yes I do |
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| 09:27.59 | wfq | you mean I Need to mount it? |
| 09:28.07 | themill | yeah, it's /usr/bin/passwd |
| 09:28.22 | wfq | oh I see thanks |
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| 09:30.47 | dorvan | hi to all, ciao a tutti |
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| 09:31.26 | movl | hit and run salutes o.O |
| 09:31.29 | wfq | themill, but fdisk -l does not show me which one should be /usr. How do I know which one is? |
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| 09:32.09 | movl | wfq: df -h |
| 09:32.46 | gnome3systemd | pretty sure df only shows currently mounted ... ? |
| 09:32.47 | wfq | I tried that one before but I can't see it. All that I see is /dev/sda1, tmpfs and undev. |
| 09:32.54 | gnome3systemd | cat /etc/fstab # ? |
| 09:33.07 | gnome3systemd | also, just try `mount /usr` ? |
| 09:33.50 | wfq | gnome3systemd, you are alright. That is the case and that latest command worked... It didn't occured to me |
| 09:33.51 | wfq | thanks a lot |
| 09:34.32 | movl | gnome3systemd: yeah, you are right |
| 09:34.44 | wfq | movl, thanks a lot to you as well |
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| 09:43.51 | wfq | what do you use apart from putty to access your linux machine from windows? Any suggestions? |
| 09:44.20 | wfq | probably Cygwin? |
| 09:44.29 | crooksey_ | Worst decision I ever made, putting arch on a production server |
| 09:44.54 | crooksey_ | Had 2 hours, and was the best I could do in that time, WORST, IDEA, EVER |
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| 09:46.31 | shadok | wfq: openvpn gui :) |
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| 09:47.14 | gnome3systemd | wfq: XDMCP/VNC/RDP ? |
| 09:48.07 | wfq | thanks |
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| 09:52.37 | gnome3systemd | wfq_: also, NX | teamviewer work / are popular |
| 09:53.43 | crooksey_ | If im on the netinstall in a command prompt, how can I test my network connection? |
| 09:53.47 | crooksey_ | I have no ping. etc |
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| 09:54.44 | gnome3systemd | crooksey_: do you have `ifconfig` ? |
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| 09:56.20 | korst3n | Is it possible to remove an NTFS partition and mount it as / live? Apparently my primary partition is merely 900MB and I have 0 byte empty space. |
| 09:56.38 | refrijerator | I have downloaded a CD called debian-testing-amd64-CD-1.iso and installed it. I need to use gcc, make etc in order to build drivers for my ethernet adapter. Is gcc et al available in this CD? Should I download a DVD instead, just to have gcc available? |
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| 09:57.16 | Mjbmr | Hi, how I cam install a package without extra packages? |
| 09:57.23 | Mjbmr | *can |
| 09:58.18 | themill | Mjbmr: what exactly are you trying to achieve here? |
| 09:58.44 | crooksey_ | gnome3systemd: noope |
| 09:58.52 | themill | Mjbmr: (sticking some sample output at http://paste.debian.net would help_ |
| 09:59.27 | gnome3systemd | Mjbmr: "--nodeps" or "--no-install-recommends" with apt-get, or "--ignore-depends" with dpkg |
| 10:00.13 | themill | (one out of three being right isn't bad) |
| 10:00.16 | Mjbmr | gnome3systemd: Thank you so much, that's what I want. |
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| 10:01.21 | RichiH | is there a way to normalize audio across all inputs? |
| 10:01.38 | RichiH | it seems youtube, various web radios, etc all choose different level |
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| 10:01.57 | extrasolar | happy birthday |
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| 10:03.28 | gnome3systemd | RichiH: ... manually adjust your volume as preferred? |
| 10:03.40 | gnome3systemd | or something like the 'normalize-audio' package for files |
| 10:04.10 | Mjbmr | gnome3systemd: http://paste.debian.net/184157/ |
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| 10:05.14 | silverarrow | does anyone use gnome mplayer in debian? |
| 10:05.20 | gnome3systemd | refrijerator: yes, gcc is on CD1 |
| 10:05.47 | gnome3systemd | ( as well as build-essential / make ) |
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| 10:05.57 | themill | RichiH: are you using pulseaudio? or phonon? if so, these sound systems have different volume settings on a per application or per type-of-sound basis |
| 10:06.26 | gnome3systemd | korst3n: you want to mount an NTFS partition as root ... ? |
| 10:06.41 | gnome3systemd | You can't exactly do that and expect it to 'work' |
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| 10:07.14 | gnome3systemd | also i'm perplexed as to why your 'primary partition' would be merely 900MB |
| 10:07.30 | korst3n | gnome3systemd: i want to remove my NTFS partitiond and resize my primary partition |
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| 10:09.43 | gnome3systemd | korst3n: gparted maybe ? |
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| 10:11.30 | korst3n | gnome3systemd: need it over SSH :/ |
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| 10:11.42 | gnome3systemd | cfdisk / fdisk ? |
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| 10:11.59 | gnome3systemd | / parted |
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| 10:12.53 | crooksey_ | Anyone know how I can test my network on a debian netinstall CD? |
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| 10:14.05 | gnome3systemd | pretty sure it should tell you the outcome of configuration ... ie: success / failure |
| 10:14.26 | pkkm | Do `apt-get clean` and `aptitude clean` do the same thing? |
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| 10:15.01 | themill | pkkm: yes |
| 10:15.12 | aliva | I'm now on archlinux. I want to migrate to debian-unstalbe. just want to know about debian-unstable stablilty compared to archlinux |
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| 10:15.51 | aliva | I never had a system crash on archlinux. some softwares are buggy |
| 10:16.01 | aliva | but most of things work |
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| 10:16.19 | thewanderer1 | aliva: Sid is not rolling release, Sid is "unstable" and meant for people who want to try out new things and see *in what ways* they break |
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| 10:17.08 | themill | if you're new to debian, then you should definitely avoid sid |
| 10:17.10 | thewanderer1 | crooksey_: if you have no ping there, try using nc |
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| 10:25.29 | gnarface | if you're using a nvidia card right now, you should also avoid sid |
| 10:26.03 | aliva | gnarface: why? |
| 10:26.25 | aliva | I use nouveou driver |
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| 10:26.32 | gnarface | aliva: oh you're probably fine then |
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| 10:26.42 | gnarface | aliva: only the proprietary ones are broken |
| 10:26.44 | soa2ii | Are there other places as apt.conf and apt.conf.d/* where apt is looking for proxy settings? |
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| 10:27.07 | berarma | gnarface: how is it broken? |
| 10:27.17 | berarma | I'm using SID on a Nvidia |
| 10:27.57 | gnarface | berarma: bunch of dependencies pulling in stuff that they don't need, and some conflicts with multiarch 32-bit compatibility packages on amd64 |
| 10:28.20 | maxy | I have a fixed IP configured on eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces - works fine with ifup/down - but *something* starts "dhclient" on eth1 whenever the link goes up/down... then my local dhcp server gives itself a different IP, argh... |
| 10:28.29 | gnarface | berarma: i managed to massage around most of it myself manually but there's a direct conflict with the 32-bit and 64-bit libxvmc1 |
| 10:28.37 | aliva | every place in debian wiki says debian-sid is buggy. and it scares me a little |
| 10:28.49 | gnarface | its supposed to |
| 10:28.54 | berarma | gnarface: I've just found some conflict with 32bit multiarch packages |
| 10:29.01 | aliva | arch uses newer packages but desn't says that a lot |
| 10:29.12 | gnarface | berarma: i think there are a bunch still unresolved |
| 10:29.12 | zetheroo | is there a channel for general server talk? |
| 10:29.19 | dym | Hey - im running Debian 6.0 with Gnome 2.30.2. After a Software Upgrade somehow i cannot see the running programs in the bottom bar anymore - although i can switch between them with ALT+TAB. Any idea how to get the normal view back? |
| 10:29.26 | gnarface | zetheroo: you mean non-debian? yea try #linux |
| 10:29.47 | zetheroo | gnarface: not even linux per se |
| 10:29.47 | berarma | dym: do you have the bottom panel? |
| 10:29.59 | dym | yes |
| 10:30.07 | dym | berarma: with the workspaces on the right |
| 10:30.08 | gnarface | zetheroo: oh.... sorry man got nothing for you. |
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| 10:30.14 | zetheroo | ok |
| 10:30.24 | gnarface | zetheroo: try the /search function |
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| 10:30.34 | berarma | dym: then you just lack the applet |
| 10:30.36 | gnarface | zetheroo: er, sorry i mean /LIST |
| 10:30.58 | zetheroo | gnarface: from in here? |
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| 10:31.41 | zetheroo | gnarface: sorry .. never done that before .. |
| 10:31.43 | gnarface | zetheroo: regardless of where you run it the output will be at your server prompt, not in any of the channels you've joined |
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| 10:32.50 | dym | berarma: excuse me? which applett would that be? |
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| 10:33.36 | gnarface | remember epplets? |
| 10:33.40 | gnarface | those were fun |
| 10:33.47 | gnarface | where did they go? |
| 10:33.50 | berarma | I don't remember the name, but some app list applet |
| 10:34.05 | berarma | dym: or rather window list |
| 10:35.13 | aliva | berarma: tell my your system doesn't crash every 10 minutes! (cuase debian wiki gave me this feeling) |
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| 10:36.16 | gnarface | zetheroo: fyi xchat (a linux irc client that has probably been ported to your operating system too) has a comparatively very friendly interface for such things (searching channels) |
| 10:36.49 | gnarface | zetheroo: but why not debian? |
| 10:38.41 | zetheroo | gnarface: well I am trying to get Debian working on this server with RAID ... but first I need to be sure that the RAID controller is enabled ... and this is a HP Proliant server ... so I need to get some specific info on how to enable the RAID controller on this server |
| 10:39.06 | gnarface | ah |
| 10:39.16 | gnarface | well i can't help you with that but i'd suggest checking the motherboard manual |
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| 10:39.34 | gnarface | which should be available on their website in pdf form or something |
| 10:40.50 | zetheroo | gnarface: so far I have been in the BIOS which has no RAID options, I have also been trying to get the RAID utility to fire up but a message said ""no device detected, Utility disabled!" ... and I have looked up their documentation which says to run this HP EasyCD, which I did and where it also tells me there is no hardware detected ... |
| 10:41.08 | zetheroo | gnarface: so now I am stumped ... |
| 10:41.10 | gnarface | zetheroo: join me in #debian-offtopic please |
| 10:41.14 | zetheroo | ok |
| 10:41.58 | gnarface | zetheroo: just type /join #debian-offtopic |
| 10:42.33 | zetheroo | gnarface: already in there ... |
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| 10:51.08 | berarma | aliva: no, it doesn't crash, but problems pop up every now and then when upgrading |
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| 10:52.22 | berarma | aliva: you must have some tolerance to problems, a good understanding of the packaging system and being able to fix problems on your own by looking at the bug tracker |
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| 11:06.50 | morganj | Hello |
| 11:07.03 | morganj | I need help with Debian package managment. |
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| 11:07.20 | morganj | How to list only configuration files of package in Debian ? |
| 11:07.41 | morganj | For example in there is a command in rpm like rpm -qc " |
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| 11:09.30 | gnome3systemd | Juhaz: dpkg --status <package> # under "Conffiles:" |
| 11:09.41 | themill | morganj: there are different sorts of configuration files that are handled differently. To a first approximation, "dpkg -L | grep /etc" is what you want, but packages may create additional files in /etc based on your answers to debconf questions that dpkg won't know about |
| 11:11.19 | morganj | gnome3systemd: Thanks! |
| 11:11.43 | babilen | just found "dpkg-query --showformat='${Conffiles}n' --show PKG" |
| 11:12.00 | themill | (conffiles doesn't include all configuration files) |
| 11:13.17 | babilen | What about ucf? Or files created during postinst? |
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| 11:13.41 | themill | indeed. There are lots of config files in /etc that are not owned by any package |
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| 11:15.10 | Iridos | but that won't be much different with rpm... |
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| 11:15.41 | Iridos | although I can't remember how that handled config files... only that yast loved to overwrite them for no reason independent of modifications |
| 11:16.45 | themill | From policy §10.7.1: «The distinction between [conffiles and configuration files] is important; they are not interchangeable concepts. Almost all conffiles are configuration files, but many configuration files are not conffiles.» |
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| 11:25.14 | rrrr_ | How do I check if I have a package installed yet? |
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| 11:25.22 | namoamitabuddha | rrrr_: dpkg -l |
| 11:25.31 | rrrr_ | namoamitabuddha, thanx |
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| 11:25.43 | namoamitabuddha | Does aptitude support for multiarch now? |
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| 11:54.20 | CyberDomovoy | Troubles with postfix/sasol: i get an error saying "SASL authentication failure: No worthy mechs found". so i checked my /var/lib/sasl2, and indeed the modules for PLAIN and LOGIN are not there. But i do have them in /var/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sasl2, why is that? How should i fix this? |
| 11:54.56 | abrotman | mmnicolas: not at that time of night :) |
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| 11:58.36 | jhutchins_wk | CyberDomovoy: Which release? |
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| 12:00.34 | CyberDomovoy | jhutchins_wk: sid, but i had to downgrade libsasl2 to 2.1.23.dfsg1-7 in order to get there, because of that: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685137 |
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| 12:06.14 | CyberDomovoy | symlinks for /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sasl2/* in /usr/lib/sasl2 makes things works right, but i don't think it is the "right" way |
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| 12:17.23 | heoa | Dan39: can you share your sites-available/default -configs if they are working? I basically create two urls such as example2.com and example3 which I maps to some dev dir in my comp. |
| 12:17.32 | heoa | Dan39: related to poit 01:54 |
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| 12:17.54 | abrotman | heoa: have you read the docs at httpd.apache.org ? |
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| 12:18.26 | heoa | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/ this one? |
| 12:18.35 | heoa | which part of them? |
| 12:18.42 | abrotman | probably the ones that apply to your particular version of apache |
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| 12:20.19 | heoa | How can I know my version of apache? /proc has nothing, /etc/init.d/apache2 has nothing. |
| 12:20.32 | abrotman | how can you tell hte version of any package? |
| 12:21.04 | abrotman | dpkg: tell heoa about grounding |
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| 12:22.12 | heoa | abrotman: http://pastie.org/4532360 |
| 12:22.18 | heoa | dpkg --info :D |
| 12:22.19 | dpkg | heoa: wish i knew |
| 12:22.34 | abrotman | so are you reading the docs for your version of apache ? |
| 12:23.03 | heoa | yes http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ |
| 12:23.19 | heoa | but what is grounding? |
| 12:23.25 | abrotman | see what teh bot told you |
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| 12:25.31 | RoadKill23 | anyone know site where i can download the full squeeze repository that isnt using a wget on an official site? |
| 12:26.03 | ansgar | From every mirror? |
| 12:26.21 | RoadKill23 | just the entire 20 or 30gb package |
| 12:27.38 | RoadKill23 | just dont wanna do a wget on an official site if the connection dies i'll have to start from the beggining |
| 12:28.07 | ChrisH | RoadKill23: apt-mirror? or have an apt-proxy in your net do it the smart way? |
| 12:28.10 | petemc | wget supports resume, needs the serve to do so as well |
| 12:28.44 | ansgar | You can use rsync or something more appropriate than recursive wget. debmirror allows to only mirror specific suites. |
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| 12:29.17 | RoadKill23 | so best option to do it would be resuming wget if anything goes wrong? |
| 12:30.33 | ChrisH | RoadKill23: You might tell us, why you want to download it |
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| 12:30.55 | petemc | RoadKill23: the resume feature resumes one file, im not sure it works for multiple files |
| 12:31.02 | petemc | rsync does |
| 12:31.11 | RoadKill23 | ChrisH leaving to cuba in a month dont have internet need the repo in order to use debian |
| 12:32.02 | RoadKill23 | petemc thanx gonna try that |
| 12:32.18 | abrotman | RoadKill23: depends on the purpose |
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| 12:33.12 | RoadKill23 | abrotman the purpose? |
| 12:33.44 | abrotman | RoadKill23: why would you want the whole repo ? |
| 12:33.52 | Greedi | someone know a good guide or anything to create virtuel hosts using command line? |
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| 12:34.25 | abrotman | Greedi: read teh docs at httpd.apache.org |
| 12:34.29 | RoadKill23 | abrotman leaving to cuba in a month dont have internet access there so need the repo in order to be able to use debian |
| 12:34.32 | deeLer | Greedi, i'd go for the virsh commands |
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| 12:34.54 | ChrisH | Greedi: man vbooxmanage |
| 12:35.03 | abrotman | RoadKill23: download the ISOs, mount the ISOs as you need them , scan with apt-cdrom |
| 12:35.14 | Greedi | not web hosts abrotman, i meant virtuel mashines, like making more servers on one |
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| 12:35.45 | RoadKill23 | abrotman the app in the iso are limited its 4gb the repo is 20 the smallest |
| 12:35.58 | ManoftheSea | I second apt-mirror |
| 12:36.04 | RoadKill23 | Greedi read the vbox docs |
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| 12:36.40 | Greedi | where? .. i use the use Oracle VM, but its not pretty good using over command line |
| 12:36.44 | abrotman | RoadKill23: what?! |
| 12:37.33 | RoadKill23 | abrotman theres alot of app that are in the repo that are not in the ISO coz of the space limitation |
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| 12:38.02 | ikus060 | I'm experiencing a problem with Debian Testing. When resuming from suspend, I can't unlock the session because the dialog to enter the password is not displayed. Any idea how to fix this ? |
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| 12:38.21 | abrotman | RoadKill23: uhm, there are 8 DVDs .. |
| 12:38.23 | shadok | RoadKill23: can't you juste buy a 500Go disk and get the package you'll potentially need without installing them ? (apt-get download package) |
| 12:38.23 | ChrisH | Greedi: I asked google for "oracle vm cli" and the first hit was http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E11081_01/doc/doc.21/e10898/commandline.htm which looks fine to me... even I did never use Oracle VM till now. |
| 12:38.25 | RoadKill23 | Greedi run the VM with gui then kill the gui and use it in command line after u config it |
| 12:38.43 | abrotman | RoadKill23: the only things not on the DVD ISOs are contrib/non-free |
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| 12:39.16 | Greedi | thanks ChrisH :) RoadKill23, i don't have a GUI, i only have cli on my server |
| 12:39.19 | Greedi | ls |
| 12:39.23 | Greedi | ups |
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| 12:39.45 | RoadKill23 | abrotman yes i know bt the main is only gonna be 3.3gb at most VS the repo 20GB |
| 12:40.53 | RoadKill23 | Greedi i know u can run virtual hosts on command line just dont know if u can install them using command line |
| 12:41.13 | abrotman | RoadKill23: NO ... |
| 12:41.18 | abrotman | RoadKill23: there are *8* DVDs |
| 12:41.28 | abrotman | i'm not sure how your 8 DVDs are 3.3GB |
| 12:41.28 | RoadKill23 | abrotman didnt know that |
| 12:41.42 | abrotman | i said it .. four times? |
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| 12:41.52 | Greedi | i know i can, i'm looking at this RoadKill23 http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7673/ - but not working very well |
| 12:41.57 | Chelsea | RoadKill23, I thought you should use preseed.cfg for that... |
| 12:41.57 | RoadKill23 | abrotman u never said there where 8 DVD's |
| 12:42.05 | abrotman | .... |
| 12:42.12 | abrotman | looks at 08:38 |
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| 12:42.23 | RoadKill23 | Chelsea preseed.cfg? do elaborate on that pls |
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| 12:43.25 | Chelsea | RoadKill23, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 12:43.27 | Greedi | i hate that server providere don't provide Debian with desktop |
| 12:43.37 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:43.43 | ChrisH | Greedi: your link refers to VBox not Oracle VM. AFAIK these are two differnet products |
| 12:43.57 | abrotman | oracle owns vritualbox |
| 12:44.04 | Greedi | yea ^ |
| 12:44.10 | RoadKill23 | Greedi there's SUN vbox and oracle VBOX i think |
| 12:44.15 | nevyn | very |
| 12:44.27 | abrotman | RoadKill23: Oracle bought Sun |
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| 12:44.39 | Chelsea | Sun's Vbox is dead. |
| 12:44.45 | nevyn | OVM is based on xen and is a more hosting focused hypervisor |
| 12:44.53 | RoadKill23 | abrotman ppl are still using the sun version my self included |
| 12:44.57 | nevyn | Oracle Virtual box is more desktopy |
| 12:45.17 | Chelsea | It's the same application, same code. |
| 12:45.21 | themill | nevyn: it works well enough headless too |
| 12:45.26 | shadok | Chelsea: except the USB 2 drivers IIRC |
| 12:45.31 | RoadKill23 | works very well headlees |
| 12:45.34 | abrotman | RoadKill23: that's nice .. oracle still bought sun |
| 12:45.38 | nevyn | themill: yeha but it's more desktop focused than OVM |
| 12:45.40 | abrotman | there is no "Sun Virtualbox" anymore |
| 12:45.46 | RoadKill23 | abrotman yeah i understand what u saying |
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| 12:45.59 | Chelsea | shadok, I think that got added when Oracle took over. |
| 12:46.03 | Greedi | i'm just trying to find and easy way to make VPS's on my server |
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| 12:46.21 | ChrisH | Is my assumption correct: Oracle VM != Virtualbox ? |
| 12:46.36 | Greedi | yes ChrisH |
| 12:46.40 | cortman | AFAIK yes |
| 12:46.55 | shadok | Chelsea: "Before version 4.0, there were two editions of VirtualBox: a full binary containing all features and an "Open Source Edition" (OSE) with source code. With version 4.0, there is only one version any more, which is open source, and the closed-source components have been moved to a separate extension pack. " |
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| 12:47.10 | shadok | Chelsea: cf. https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions |
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| 12:48.36 | trysten | does anyone know a smart way to test a microphone? i'm trying to see if there is any signal at all from my laptops built-in one. |
| 12:48.36 | Greedi | because i don't like paying 16 USD every month, just to get windows ( it sucks ) but the only way to get remote desktop |
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| 12:51.45 | ChrisH | trysten: http://linuxconfig.org/how-to-test-microphone-with-audio-linux-sound-architecture-alsa might be an idea,but still leaves room for issues with all kind of mixer |
| 12:52.23 | ChrisH | audacity might be another idea |
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| 12:56.33 | nevyn | trysten: mixers sigh |
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| 12:57.58 | heoa | My microhone does not work, using x220 Lenovo laptop. I think this is some driver issues, I tried to tune the Alsamixer but nothing happening, where can I get the driver? |
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| 12:59.14 | nevyn | heoa: I think there were some issues with that recently on alsa-devel |
| 12:59.58 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I'm on X220 and it works just fine |
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| 13:00.11 | nevyn | or was it just the docking station.. |
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| 13:00.27 | thewanderer1 | heoa: what kernel are you on? |
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| 13:00.48 | zetheroo | trying to configure soft raid in debian ... but in the install it's telling me that it cannot mount the swap partition ... |
| 13:00.51 | heoa | thewanderer1: Linux version 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (Debian 3.2.20-1~bpo60+1) (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) ) #1 SMP Sat Jun 30 08:29:17 UTC 2012 |
| 13:01.13 | thewanderer1 | hmm, looks ok |
| 13:01.24 | thewanderer1 | heoa: how are you testing the microphone? |
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| 13:02.48 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: have you chosen to format the swap partition? (it should have an "F" flag next to it, I think) |
| 13:02.57 | heoa | thewanderer1: Applications > Sound & Video > Sound Recorder, Google Voice and etc microphone -things do not work. Tried to turn it on in Alsamixer but nothing... |
| 13:03.09 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: yes |
| 13:03.30 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: switch to tty4 in the installer (alt+f4) and read the log messages |
| 13:03.35 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 13:03.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.21-3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.2.20-1~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 13:03.50 | shadok | trysten: "arecord -l" to list input devices, "arecord -d 10 /tmp/test.wav" to record 10s, "aplay /tmp/test.wav" to play the recording. |
| 13:03.58 | shadok | trysten_: |
| 13:04.05 | jhutchins_wk | heoa: Does it work in stable? |
| 13:04.09 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: in Partition Disks there is RAID 1, SCSI 3 and SCSI 4 |
| 13:04.14 | thewanderer1 | heoa: can you paste a screenshot of the alsamixer screen? your inputs could still be muted |
| 13:04.29 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: I am performing manual creation of partitions only on RAID 1 |
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| 13:04.34 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: is that correct? |
| 13:05.01 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: err, not sure... is "RAID1" a result of creating software RAID in the installer? |
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| 13:05.48 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: maybe, or it's because I started the installer with the dmraid=true option |
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| 13:06.03 | zetheroo | I am trying to do this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 13:06.14 | heoa | thewanderer1: http://koti.kapsi.fi/~he/not_muted.png |
| 13:07.02 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: disable fakeraid, install on Linux RAID |
| 13:07.08 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: you may need a reboot for that |
| 13:07.25 | thewanderer1 | heoa: this is "playback". switch to capture (F5). |
| 13:07.30 | thewanderer1 | errr, F4 |
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| 13:07.51 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: what do you mean? I thought the hw-raid was fakeraid and I already disabled that in the BIOS ... |
| 13:08.15 | ChrisH | zetheroo: from a quick look at this webpage. This howto os in HW Raid and not soft raid. |
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| 13:08.30 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: yes, it is fakeraid, but this howto is for fakeraid... |
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| 13:08.43 | zetheroo | argh :P |
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| 13:09.18 | ChrisH | zetheroo: the softraid can be done with debian installer quite simple in expert mode |
| 13:09.19 | zetheroo | so ... should I just restart the install without the dmraid=true option? |
| 13:09.42 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 13:09.55 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: I don't think you need expert mode anymore |
| 13:09.56 | zetheroo | what do you mean "expert mode"? |
| 13:10.07 | zetheroo | can't it be done in the regular install mode? |
| 13:10.20 | ChrisH | allways uses expert mode :) |
| 13:10.28 | thewanderer1 | ok |
| 13:10.37 | thewanderer1 | just boot in the regular mode, without any special parameters, then |
| 13:10.57 | zetheroo | restarting the bloody debian install for the zillionth bloody time today :P |
| 13:11.16 | heoa | thewanderer1: updated the picture, muted now? |
| 13:12.10 | thewanderer1 | heoa: in alsamixer, press F4 in order to go to the "capture" tab. the picture at that URL still shows you at F3, the playback tab. |
| 13:12.27 | thewanderer1 | heoa: ok, I see the updated image now - yes, Capture is muted. |
| 13:12.43 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ok so once in the Partition Disk section of the install should I just remove all the existing partitions and start over? |
| 13:12.53 | heoa | thewanderer1: how can I unmute it? |
| 13:12.54 | thewanderer1 | heoa: select the Capture item with arrows, then press Space to enable the mic input |
| 13:13.58 | ChrisH | zetheroo: depends on the partion lyaout. you might reuse them differnt. Software raid -> LVM -> LVs? Or what is your idea? |
| 13:13.59 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: yeah, after you've rebooted, just reinitialize partition tables of the disks (select the disk device, installer will re-create an MBR table) |
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| 13:15.42 | heoa | thewanderer1: I think it does not work or how should I test it? Tried with google voice and not working... |
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| 13:16.09 | thewanderer1 | heoa: you can upload a picture showing the new state of the controls in alsamixer... |
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| 13:17.04 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: do I need to create partitions before I can configure RAID? |
| 13:17.12 | aguitel | i am in testing with last nvidia driver and it is running slow ,is this ussue for anyone ? |
| 13:17.27 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: right now both 2TB HDD's are completely blank ... no partitions |
| 13:17.35 | thewanderer1 | heoa: yeah, now it looks like it... try upping the Analog Mic to 30dB, and start something that can record voice, like audacity or the gnome record tool |
| 13:18.02 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: you create a virtual device, composed of RAID "physical devices", and then you create normal partitions on the virtual device |
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| 13:19.52 | thewanderer1 | heoa: voice communicators often have issues with selecting the right audio device. for example, in Skype, I have to choose "HDA Intel PCH, CONEXANT Analog Front Speakers" for microphone (?!) |
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| 13:20.09 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: I don't get it ... I am not trying to configure the RAID and it's asking me to select the two active devices. It says "You must select exactly 2 partitions" ... but it's only showing me 2 HDD's without the partitions ... because there are no partitions ... and if I select both HDD's and "continue" setup errors out ... |
| 13:20.34 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: I am *now trying to configure RAID ..... |
| 13:21.00 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: yes. you need to first create partitions for use by RAID, and set their type to "physical device for RAID" or something like that. |
| 13:21.01 | ChrisH | zetheroo: YOu need partions to create the MD Device. |
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| 13:21.32 | ChrisH | fd Linux raid autodetect |
| 13:21.36 | zetheroo | ChrisH: that is what I am trying to do |
| 13:22.02 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: do I create the partitions on both of the HDD's or just on the first one? |
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| 13:22.37 | heoa | thewanderer1: audacity not working :( ...perhaps I need to just select the right thing somehow in audacity |
| 13:22.50 | heoa | mic errring, nothing recorced |
| 13:22.51 | ChrisH | zetheroo: both. identicaly. |
| 13:22.53 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: on both HDDs |
| 13:23.00 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 13:23.41 | shadok | heoa: are you trysten ? if you are find my last sentence here |
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| 13:24.03 | baptiste | hi, is it possible to do something like apt-get install allnon-freefirmwareandforgetaboutit ? |
| 13:24.14 | thewanderer1 | heoa: yeah, you need to change the device in Audacity (preferences dialog) |
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| 13:24.37 | abrotman | baptiste: aptitude install '~nfirmware' perhaps ? |
| 13:26.15 | baptiste | thx I'll try to work it out |
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| 13:27.01 | shadok | baptiste: have a look at firmware-linux-nonfree, i think that's what you want |
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| 13:47.52 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ok partitions created ... now when selecting the "active devices" for the RAID config ... do I select the 2 ext3 partitions of both of the HDD's? |
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| 13:48.28 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: they're supposed to be of type "physical partition for RAID", not ext* |
| 13:48.52 | thewanderer1 | there's a "Use as:" field when partitioning, adjust that |
| 13:49.01 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ok ... |
| 13:50.04 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: bootable flag off or on? |
| 13:50.18 | trysten | thanks alot shadok. i'm testing now. |
| 13:50.47 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: set it to on, some BIOSes might be unhappy otherwise |
| 13:51.22 | shadok | trysten: :) if you need to change input device use -D |
| 13:51.29 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: and I am just creating one large partition over the entire HDD right? I don't create a swap partition or anything ... just one large RAID partition on each HDD ... right!? |
| 13:52.32 | trysten | shadok: well i do only seem to have one input device at 0:0 which doesn't seem right, because.. the microphone jack. maybe that is the only thing it is detecting.. let me see if i can find a microphone. |
| 13:52.37 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: I cannot set the bootable flag to on .. it's stuck at "off" |
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| 13:53.07 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: leave it then, it's not critically important |
| 13:53.31 | shadok | trysten: alsamixer could help you check if it is muted or not |
| 13:53.39 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: and yes, one large partition spanning each HDD is what you were aiming at |
| 13:53.57 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: now you create a RAID out of those 2 and create normal partitions inside the virtual RAID device |
| 13:54.06 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ok that completed ... now I am back at the overview of the partitions ... and I have RAID1, SCSI1 and SCSI2 |
| 13:54.34 | trysten | shadok: i have four [Capture] controls, all maxxed. no mute toggles. |
| 13:54.36 | heoa | shadok: what is trysten? English? |
| 13:54.45 | zetheroo | do I only create partitions in the RAID1 device? or in all three? |
| 13:54.56 | trysten | heoa: i speak fruent engrish |
| 13:55.09 | heoa | shadok: I see, I am not trysten. |
| 13:55.16 | ManoftheSea | fruent engrish? Shamfur dispray. |
| 13:56.23 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: you have no space left on the SCSI* devices, anyway - take a wild guess :P |
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| 13:56.58 | shadok | heoa: sorry, you were both talking about sound input |
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| 13:57.23 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ah ok ... so can I use Guided Partitioning, or should I do it manually? |
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| 13:57.42 | heoa | thewanderer1: I have tested now every alternativei in Audacity but not getting things recorded XP |
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| 13:58.56 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: guided partitioning would erase your current setup - do it manually |
| 13:59.20 | thewanderer1 | heoa: hmmm, works for me... |
| 13:59.38 | thewanderer1 | maybe the mic is disabled in BIOS? |
| 13:59.51 | trysten | thewanderer1: great suggestion!!! |
| 13:59.55 | trysten | goes to check his bios |
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| 14:00.28 | heoa | ...me too, shutting down... |
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| 14:02.13 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: when I create the partition manually on the RAID device it does not ask me how large I want to partition to be |
| 14:02.43 | thewanderer1 | O.o |
| 14:02.44 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: so I end up only being able to make a single ext4/ext3 partition spanning the whole area of the disk ... |
| 14:02.56 | zetheroo | :P |
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| 14:03.16 | thewanderer1 | now, I haven't installed for quite some time, but I think LVM is the solution here |
| 14:03.32 | thewanderer1 | hopefully, GRUB2 will be able to make sense of it... |
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| 14:04.39 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: so how far do I need to backtrack ? |
| 14:05.29 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: just create the 1 partition, but set it to LVM type |
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| 14:06.04 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: I did something ... dunno what ... and now letting me select a size for the new partition in the RAID device :) |
| 14:06.12 | thewanderer1 | heh, ok :P |
| 14:06.21 | thewanderer1 | you've probably created an MBR inside the RAID... |
| 14:07.32 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ok, now I have an 8GB swap partition and the remainder is a bootable ext4 partition |
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| 14:07.52 | zetheroo | Finish partitioning and write changes to disk ... ? |
| 14:08.23 | thewanderer1 | if that's the setup you want, yeah... just remember to set the ext4 partition to be the root fs... ( / ) |
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| 14:08.39 | zetheroo | yes ok |
| 14:09.01 | trysten | shadok: so, no luck yet. but i noticed when i plugged headphoens into the mic jack, it autmatically turned internal mic down and Mic up. so at least that works ... |
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| 14:10.44 | b0rsuk | Hello, I have about 200 MB free space on my 6.5 GB partition. I'd like to update my packages, but I need to get 1.5 GB of archives. |
| 14:10.47 | b0rsuk | ANy ideas ? |
| 14:10.53 | shadok | trysten: that's a good point to start :) |
| 14:11.16 | shadok | b0rsuk: apt-get clean first then re-check your disk space |
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| 14:11.22 | b0rsuk | To clarify, I'm on wheezy and I'd like to do a dist-upgrade (to wheezy -> wheezy) |
| 14:11.27 | ksk | b0rsuk: do you have content on this partiton ? remove it? |
| 14:11.41 | thewanderer1 | b0rsuk: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/3842/list-your-largest-installed-packages-on-debianubuntu |
| 14:12.25 | b0rsuk | thewanderer1: Thank you ! By the way, what's your / partition ? I'm a bit behind the times, but currently unemployed and can't afford a new hard drive. |
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| 14:13.08 | thewanderer1 | b0rsuk: I make it from 9GB (laptops) to 20GB (multimedia/workstations), based on the need |
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| 14:13.17 | ksk | b0rsuk: first of all, you want to use LVM. for me about 10G should be enough for "/" |
| 14:13.26 | ksk | if its a server id seperate /var on another partition |
| 14:13.32 | heoa | trysten: shadok thewanderer1 I got it working, I just plugged in my microphone but for some reason the x220 Intel microphone in the x220 display does not work |
| 14:13.54 | thewanderer1 | heoa: strange... my integrated mic works fine, have you tried bumping up the boost value? |
| 14:14.02 | heoa | ? |
| 14:14.18 | thewanderer1 | (it said 10 or 20dB in your screenshot, take it up to 40dB) |
| 14:16.09 | ManoftheSea | 40 dB? But that's 10,000 times more? |
| 14:16.14 | heoa | thewanderer1: no don't do that, it would break my sennheisers. After restarting, Audio Recording works just fine with inner-mic and sennheifer mic |
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| 14:16.39 | trysten | ManoftheSea: yeah, it only goes to 11dB |
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| 14:17.08 | heoa | I use 10dB now and it is enough, otherwise my headset breaks down... |
| 14:17.09 | thewanderer1 | ManoftheSea: uh, the scale is 2 times per 10dB, not 10 times |
| 14:17.20 | b0rsuk | ksk: This is new for me, is LVM some kind of alternative to partitions ? |
| 14:17.23 | thewanderer1 | i.e. it's a log2 scale I think |
| 14:17.36 | ksk | !tell b0rsuk about lvm |
| 14:17.37 | heoa | thewanderer1: it is exponential?! |
| 14:17.46 | heoa | or logaritmic? |
| 14:18.04 | thewanderer1 | heoa: something about sound intensity doubling every 10dB |
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| 14:18.19 | heoa | trysten: did you restart your machine after hacking alsamixer? |
| 14:18.42 | pkkm | no, 10db is 10 times |
| 14:18.51 | pkkm | 3db is approximately 2 times |
| 14:19.09 | thewanderer1 | oh? crap. |
| 14:19.11 | pkkm | dB means deciBel -- 1/10th of a Bel |
| 14:19.16 | pkkm | a Bel means 10x more |
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| 14:19.42 | heoa | ...yes the power -ration is exponential... |
| 14:19.42 | pkkm | so x dB means 10^(x/10) times more |
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| 14:19.55 | trysten | heoa: i don't think i hacked alsamixer. |
| 14:20.02 | pkkm | human hearing is logarithmic though |
| 14:20.09 | heoa | trysten: http://koti.kapsi.fi/~he/not_muted.png |
| 14:20.29 | heoa | trysten: here my settings by which I got it working, using 10dB not to break my ears and my headset. |
| 14:20.30 | pkkm | so you can consider dB as exponential increase in power but linear in perceived loudness |
| 14:20.43 | thewanderer1 | it's at 30dB for me and I can hear stuff in audacity (although a bit quiet) |
| 14:20.52 | thewanderer1 | this is an x220, too - go figure |
| 14:21.36 | ManoftheSea | psychoacoustics! |
| 14:21.50 | trysten | Binaural Beast! |
| 14:22.11 | ManoftheSea | Arg, a scurvy bilge rat. |
| 14:22.59 | ChrisH | zetheroo: I needed to fix some stuff, I get paid for :) Did you finish your config and started the installation? |
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| 14:23.47 | zetheroo | ChrisH: no worries .. I am still waiting for the partitions to be formatted on the newly created RAID setup ... it's taking it's sweet time |
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| 14:25.59 | ChrisH | zetheroo: That will take time... one point for zfs :) |
| 14:26.36 | Diopter | Or btrfs |
| 14:26.40 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ok, now I get this message: The attempt to mount a file system with the type swap in RAID0p2 device # at none failed. You may resume partitioning from the partitioning menu. Do you want to resume partitioning?" |
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| 14:27.27 | ChrisH | Diopter: is btrfs production ready? Or do you store your data on btrfs? |
| 14:27.29 | thewanderer1 | uh, what's it with mounting swap? |
| 14:27.55 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: no idea ... |
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| 14:28.24 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: ignore it for now, swap is non-critical :P |
| 14:28.45 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: so do I answer "yes", "no" or "go back"? |
| 14:28.46 | Diopter | ChrisH: "production ready" is a strong term. I'd say it's about as production ready as ZFS on Linux. Probably moreso. |
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| 14:29.28 | ChrisH | Diopter: you shipped around the "do you store your data on btrfs?" part :) |
| 14:30.17 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: I guess "no"? |
| 14:30.21 | Diopter | ChrisH: I didn't find it that relevant. Yes, I do currently, on several machines. Not all of them, and not anything super critical just yet. But I do have some btrfs RAIDs. |
| 14:30.24 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: alright |
| 14:31.04 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: well now the screen went red and it's saying "Installation step failed" |
| 14:31.07 | zetheroo | :) |
| 14:31.08 | ManoftheSea | I always think a btrfs management GUI should be named "butterface" |
| 14:31.27 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: The failing step is: Partitioning Disks |
| 14:31.30 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: I have no bloody idea how it could go wrong for you, but it did, so redo the partitioning :P |
| 14:31.36 | Diopter | ManoftheSea: lulz |
| 14:31.42 | Cyberkaia | i, anyone can helpme whit nvidia gt520mx and debian wheeze? |
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| 14:31.46 | Cyberkaia | hi* |
| 14:32.17 | sney | !wheeze |
| 14:32.17 | dpkg | Debian 6.0 <stable> is codenamed <squeeze>. The current <testing> distribution, which will be released as Debian 7.0, is codenamed <wheezy>. There is no "squeezy" or "wheeze". |
| 14:32.25 | Cyberkaia | wheezy* |
| 14:32.28 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: should I just delete the swap partition and try without it? |
| 14:32.41 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo: that would be best |
| 14:32.49 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: can I make that swap partition later? ... after install ? |
| 14:32.59 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 14:33.49 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ok, so now I have 8GB of "Free Space" and the remainder of the device is the bootable Ext4 root partition |
| 14:34.03 | zetheroo | try to write the changes to disk once again :) |
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| 14:35.08 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ha - now it tells me that I have chose to continue without allocating swap space ... and how recommended it is etc ... :D |
| 14:35.54 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: I said no and chose to continue ... now it's "Installing the base system" |
| 14:35.57 | ManoftheSea | zetheroo: you'll create swap after it boots. You have a partition for it? |
| 14:36.36 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: I have "Free Space" on the HDD for the swap to be created in ... is that what you meant? |
| 14:37.06 | ManoftheSea | sure. |
| 14:37.13 | zetheroo | k |
| 14:37.16 | ManoftheSea | you could also do a swapfile. |
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| 14:39.44 | Cyberkaia | anyone whit gt520mx Nvidia |
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| 14:40.36 | trysten | it works!! hooray! all i had to do was amixer -c0 set Capture toggle |
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| 14:40.46 | trysten | alsamixer wouldn't let me do that for some reason. |
| 14:40.56 | HideMe | Should squeeze-updates, previously known as 'volatile' be in my source list, or is squeeze and main good enough? |
| 14:41.22 | ChrisH | zetheroo: did you put LVM (Logical Volume Manager) in place? |
| 14:41.25 | ManoftheSea | HideMe: squeeze is a distro and main is a component. |
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| 14:41.42 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.48 | ManoftheSea | and you should want to get updates. |
| 14:42.07 | metaphysician | HideMe: and security updates too |
| 14:42.40 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: ok ... configuring apt .... |
| 14:42.48 | HideMe | Can one of you paste bin me what your squeeze source.list looks like? |
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| 14:44.59 | sney | HideMe: 1 line. deb http://http.debian.net/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
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| 14:45.17 | sney | everything else is optional |
| 14:45.31 | HideMe | Sec... I'll show you what I'm thinking. |
| 14:46.24 | sney | the updates from squeeze-updates and squeeze security get rolled into the point releases. so if you don't have those two, but you have main, you'll get the updates from both of them when 6.0.6 is released |
| 14:47.32 | HideMe | http://pastebin.com/v81ZRCy7 |
| 14:47.41 | HideMe | currently I'm using the top one. |
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| 14:48.13 | sney | http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates |
| 14:48.24 | sney | understand what it is, and make your own decision |
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| 14:50.23 | vedranm | hi guys |
| 14:50.27 | vedranm | has anyone tried CUDA 5 on debian? |
| 14:50.41 | HideMe | well squeeze-updates is included by default when installing from official ISO. |
| 14:50.45 | vedranm | there is no specific package for Debian, only Ubuntu |
| 14:50.45 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: Install GRUB boot loader to the master boot record? |
| 14:50.53 | vedranm | so I wonder if I should use that |
| 14:50.56 | ManoftheSea | zetheroo: do you know what that's asking? |
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| 14:51.26 | ManoftheSea | Do you want to remove whatever boot chain you currently have, and replace it with the wonderful grub2? |
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| 14:51.38 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: I think so ... and I would thing that I should answer yes ... but just want to be sure |
| 14:53.31 | ManoftheSea | zetheroo: I think you're right, but you have to make that decision. |
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| 14:55.29 | HideMe | Mmm |
| 14:55.43 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: well I tried "Yes" and now the screen is red again saying "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda. Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error." |
| 14:56.01 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: I can "Go Back" or "Continue" |
| 14:56.15 | ManoftheSea | zetheroo: that's no good. You want to continue, but you also need to solve before you reboot |
| 14:56.40 | ManoftheSea | are you trying to boot from LVM, RAID, or LUKS? |
| 14:56.56 | ManoftheSea | did you start the first partition immediately, or at 1MB? |
| 14:57.02 | ManoftheSea | Did you create a BIOS partition? |
| 14:57.06 | zetheroo | yeah, I think this is the same issue the other guy was having ... could not install GRUB! |
| 14:57.07 | Cyberkaia | when generate the xorg.conf file gdm3 stop and go to blak |
| 14:57.12 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: there is no BIOS partition |
| 14:57.19 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: is that the issue? |
| 14:57.42 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: no LVM, and I don't know what "LUKS" is |
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| 14:58.10 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: first partition was started at the "Beginning" of the drive ... |
| 14:58.39 | ManoftheSea | what about RAID? Were you doing raid? |
| 14:58.57 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: yes RAID |
| 14:59.05 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: RAID1 |
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| 14:59.33 | zetheroo | ManoftheSea: should I create this 1MB "biosgrub" partition in the RAID? |
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| 15:01.26 | ManoftheSea | no. I'm just thinking that the components to let grub read a raid might be more than the 31.5kB availble. |
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| 15:01.48 | chrisirc | Hello. Is there anything too old on Debian stable to run a current kernel.org kernel? |
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| 15:01.57 | ManoftheSea | I'd suggest getting to the terminal, chrooting into your target, and trying to run grub-install /dev/sda manually. |
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| 15:02.21 | ManoftheSea | chrisirc: you might want to get the kernel sources from debian sid or experimental. |
| 15:02.30 | ManoftheSea | but I can't think of anything. |
| 15:02.31 | nsadmin | chrisirc, got the source to the kernel you want? |
| 15:02.40 | ManoftheSea | chrisirc: I have wheezy with 3.5.2 |
| 15:03.21 | chrisirc | ok |
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| 15:03.52 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: what do you think? any idea why GRUB won't install after all this? |
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| 15:06.54 | nsadmin | zetheroo the typical backup position is to have a partition not part of any raid, mount it somewhere, copy all of /boot onto it, grub-install /dev/thatdrive, update-grub |
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| 15:07.24 | nsadmin | what you should end up with after that, is /boot on a partition outside of any raid |
| 15:08.09 | nsadmin | and, you may or may not -have- to do that |
| 15:09.33 | zetheroo | I have been at this all day now ... :( |
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| 15:09.35 | nsadmin | if you do it, it reduces support requirements related to mounting / and also related to any rescue media |
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| 15:10.20 | zetheroo | I thought this stuff was pretty straightforward .. like people had really sorted out how this all goes ... but this is obviously not the case ... |
| 15:11.02 | nsadmin | well it could be... the fallback position I described is still available :) |
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| 15:11.54 | nsadmin | (and you're right when you say "after all this time it should be) |
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| 15:13.04 | zetheroo | I mean is there no clear reason why GRUB won't install on a RAID 1 configuration? Is this the first time anyone is attempting this? (joking obviously) ... |
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| 15:14.19 | nsadmin | well given I got here in the middile of the conversation, I waould ask "which raid1 configuration" |
| 15:14.29 | Section1 | hi i have a debian squeeze with two sas card connected both to the same IBM SAN.. I have a problem that the Luns are not in the preferred path so i get a alarm and the LED in ambar... i have in multipath failback immediate but still its keeps in the not preferred path...any ideas ? |
| 15:14.39 | zetheroo | I think I am too exhausted to repeat it all again ;) |
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| 15:14.55 | ChrisH | zetheroo: where is your /boot physically locatrd on? sdXY? |
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| 15:15.23 | nsadmin | zetheroo, ok, no problem... obviously that leaves me out of the conversation |
| 15:15.25 | zetheroo | ChrisH: no matter I am repartitioning again :P |
| 15:15.57 | zetheroo | nsadmin: it's just a simple (lol) RAID1 with two identical HDD's ... |
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| 15:15.59 | yeats | zetheroo: I glanced through the scrollback, but I may have missed it... have you been looking at the log messages on TTY4? |
| 15:16.08 | ChrisH | zetheroo: My /boot is on md0: md0 : active raid1 hdc1[0] hdd1[1] |
| 15:16.17 | zetheroo | yeats: no |
| 15:16.41 | zetheroo | I am going to give this one last shot ... |
| 15:16.47 | ajbiz11 | anyone good with setting up proxies in D6 |
| 15:16.48 | yeats | zetheroo: do 'Alt-F4' to see what's there |
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| 15:16.56 | zetheroo | so now I am waiting for the ext3 partition to format ... |
| 15:17.15 | nsadmin | zetheroo, another fallback position I've used and seen used is to put a small drive in there, and put /boot on that |
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| 15:17.17 | zetheroo | yeats: after that how do I return to where I was? |
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| 15:17.43 | yeats | Alt-F1 |
| 15:17.44 | nsadmin | alt-f4 |
| 15:17.48 | nsadmin | 4 |
| 15:17.50 | nsadmin | 1 |
| 15:17.54 | nsadmin | arghj! |
| 15:18.01 | yeats | heh |
| 15:18.07 | nsadmin | sory |
| 15:18.15 | Diopter | o.o |
| 15:18.18 | ajbiz11 | alt-f4 is close window |
| 15:18.24 | yeats | nsadmin: had a day like that yesterday - everything was a typo |
| 15:18.29 | zetheroo | yeats: is there a way to scroll up in Alt+F4 ? |
| 15:18.36 | yeats | ajbiz11: not in the debian installer |
| 15:18.43 | ajbiz11 | oh the installer |
| 15:18.50 | yeats | zetheroo: shift-Pgup? |
| 15:18.55 | nsadmin | I may need another gtypist torture session |
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| 15:19.01 | ManoftheSea | nsadmin: that's bad, and you should feel bad. |
| 15:19.11 | zetheroo | yeats: no - not working |
| 15:19.32 | nsadmin | ManoftheSea, wow :) how do I respond to that :) |
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| 15:19.48 | ajbiz11 | anyone good at configuring squid |
| 15:19.50 | ajbiz11 | in a vm |
| 15:19.51 | yeats | zetheroo: you could do Alt-F2 and activate that terminal to view the logs with 'less' |
| 15:19.57 | ChrisH | zetheroo: go to TTY3 and run dmesg |
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| 15:20.11 | nsadmin | is not a squid... even a good squid... |
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| 15:21.04 | ajbiz11 | squid the application (proxy) |
| 15:21.09 | andares | hey, I need mingw-3.15 in order to compile something, but I'm on debian stable. what should I do? |
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| 15:23.12 | ajbiz11 | could anyone help me configure squid in a VM |
| 15:23.45 | ChrisH | ajbiz11: configure it the same as on real HW |
| 15:24.01 | zetheroo | what does "dmraid=true" actually do? |
| 15:24.31 | nsadmin | ajbiz11, (agaun, don't know squid) why would a vm be a special case? |
| 15:24.58 | nsadmin | zetheroo, at bottom level, sets a variable to a value |
| 15:25.15 | ajbiz11 | i mean configuring is the part i dont get not the difference between them and also i really hate VMWare's sad networking...why not take a hint from VBox |
| 15:25.26 | nsadmin | after that, something could read that value and respond in some way |
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| 15:28.29 | thewanderer1 | if "ł" is replaced by ³, what encoding is it? |
| 15:28.54 | thewanderer1 | having some problems with reading an e-book file, nothing seems to be able to understand different encodings... |
| 15:29.45 | thewanderer1 | I'm using FBReader, and I can not change the encoding |
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| 15:30.48 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: I only saw "?" replaced by ? Maybe someone else did see more details. |
| 15:31.04 | thewanderer1 | oh well... |
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| 15:35.34 | jelly | Encode::Guess ? |
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| 15:36.30 | jelly | it didn't work too well for me |
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| 15:38.10 | thewanderer1 | ok, now I hacked the config file and I'm able to switch languages again (setting it to "auto" disables the drop-down) - but it does nothing, Polish letters are still not visible |
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| 15:38.40 | shadok | thewanderer1: do you have the font to display those ? |
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| 15:39.15 | thewanderer1 | shadok: yes, I type in Polish every day |
| 15:40.12 | shadok | ok, just checking the dumb solution :) |
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| 15:42.13 | |splat| | i'm trying to figure out how this directory link got setup. i have a nfs share /my/apps/ and on one of our machines it seems to be linked to /usr/local because any changes in /my/apps happens in /usr/local automatically. but ls -la /usr/local just looks like a regular dir, not a link. any idea what might be going on there? |
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| 15:42.42 | ManoftheSea | it's a mount. |
| 15:42.52 | ManoftheSea | try df or mount |
| 15:42.55 | |splat| | mount doesn't show it |
| 15:43.23 | ManoftheSea | is it serving "my/apps" from that directory |
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| 15:43.57 | ChrisH | |splat|: can you pastebin df -h; mount; ls -ld /my/apps /usr/local from both boxes? |
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| 15:44.12 | thewanderer1 | I'll try running `enca` on my files and finding out what encoding it uses... |
| 15:44.33 | thewanderer1 | if *that* doesn't work, I'll write a sed script, unpack the ePUB files, run them through it, and pack again... |
| 15:45.01 | thewanderer1 | haha, "Unrecognized encoding" |
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| 15:45.20 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: recode? *keeping fingers crossed* |
| 15:45.25 | |splat| | http://pastebin.com/GMYR0rNi |
| 15:45.39 | |splat| | ChrisH |
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| 15:46.02 | |splat| | o now i see it |
| 15:46.02 | immotus | I'm having trouble with initrd. What device path would LVM give a volume in the initrd stage? It isn't in the usual "/dev/<volumeGroup>/<volumeName>" |
| 15:46.17 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: yeah, but it's not an existing charset, it seems... somebody picked an arbitrary translation from Polish to Gibberish and wrote an epub with it :P |
| 15:46.33 | |splat| | nfs.backend.invalid:/ifs/data/cscb/cscbsoftware/centos5-x86_64/local |
| 15:46.33 | |splat| | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.53 | shadok | |splat|: pastebin just become your mentor ! |
| 15:46.58 | ChrisH | |splat|: fine. |
| 15:46.58 | shadok | *became |
| 15:47.09 | |splat| | indeed |
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| 15:48.09 | ChrisH | immotus: why not? If you tell me how I can check and compare on some of my systems. |
| 15:48.22 | thewanderer1 | oh, great, "ś" is translated to "oe" in the weird epub... now I'm screwed |
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| 15:48.37 | thewanderer1 | hopefully, "oe" is not a valid character sequence in the publication |
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| 15:49.32 | ChrisH | Charsets is a topic ugly as printing on solaris |
| 15:50.05 | immotus | ChrisH: it could be tricky to test. You'd have to create a custum initrd file for your kernel to boot from that gave you a prompt just before it loaded the "/" filesystem. |
| 15:50.39 | ChrisH | immotus: booting is not an option... :) |
| 15:50.47 | thewanderer1 | whoever prepared the epub had no clue at all... I'll try finding a different version, I guess :P |
| 15:50.52 | immotus | ChrisH: that is where I am now, but I can't seem to find my LVM in the device paths (/dev, /sys) |
| 15:51.05 | immotus | ChrisH: thanks for being willing, though :^) |
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| 15:51.41 | shadok | immotus: have a look in /dev/mapper or use lvtools |
| 15:51.43 | ChrisH | immotus: You have an installed system with LVM and unable to boot? Bootable media at hand? |
| 15:51.44 | infernix | gentlemen, i'm upgrading this sid box that i haven't touched for a while, and am trying to add multiarch. so I ran dpkg --add-architecture amd64 as well as i386. now when I install an :i386 package, i get complaints because all the existing packages aren't libc6:amd64 but plain old libc6 |
| 15:52.05 | shadok | infernix: lvdisplay for example |
| 15:52.28 | infernix | has anyone ran across this? is it a matter of running a dist-upgrade, or do i have to apt-get install [package]:amd64 for everything first, and then add i386 packages? |
| 15:52.37 | immotus | ChrisH: "/dev/mapper" has two files - "control" and "system-swap".. neither of them are the volume group I'm looking for. |
| 15:53.05 | immotus | ChrisH: I don't have lvtool transferred to the initrd yet |
| 15:53.34 | jargon- | i've built and made installed openbox on a cli debian testing box. what else do i need to run the wm? X? what X do i need to install? |
| 15:53.52 | ChrisH | immotus: You must enable your initrd to deal with LVM. so lvtools seems to be needed. |
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| 15:54.29 | |splat| | oh this is fun. this scientific software is "pmap |
| 15:54.42 | |splat| | and theres a standard linux tool already called pmap |
| 15:54.54 | immotus | ChrisH: I'm trying to boot over iSCSI. Got to the point where the block device for the iSCSI target is seen, but I can't find what to put for the "root=" boot parameter |
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| 15:55.27 | immotus | ChrisH: I do have "lvm" and when I enter it's shell both "vgscan" and "lvscan" are able to see all of my logical volumes just fine |
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| 15:56.14 | b0rsuk | I need help. Unmet dependencies for 3 packages. apt-get -f install doesn't work: http://bpaste.net/show/lVjYNyi7agEvIEg2NWU7/ |
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| 15:56.32 | b0rsuk | I did apt-get dist-upgrade. |
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| 15:57.38 | b0rsuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.41 | b0rsuk | Now what ? |
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| 15:58.42 | queso | I just installed a new debian squeeze VM using LVM. mpt-statusd is complaining about raid status changes, and I'm not using raid. What should I do? |
| 15:58.44 | immotus | ChrisH: do you know what actually creates the devices for the logical volumes? Is it the LVM kernel module? |
| 16:00.06 | ChrisH | queso: I did uninstall that the last time it complained :) |
| 16:01.08 | ChrisH | immotus: I am not sure... My setups with RAID/crypto/LVM did work out of the installer. I never user iSCSI to boot from. I would expect udev to create them. |
| 16:01.10 | queso | ChrisH: Uninstall mpt-statusd package? |
| 16:01.18 | queso | ChrisH: Or just disable it? |
| 16:01.40 | immotus | ChrisH: k |
| 16:02.34 | ChrisH | queso: as long as there is no raid I would remove it. |
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| 16:03.22 | FilipeMaia | What UPS would you recommend for 6 file servers? |
| 16:03.32 | queso | ChrisH: okay, thank you |
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| 16:04.14 | nsadmin | immotus, I think it's vgchange |
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| 16:04.39 | FilipeMaia | or what vendor would you recommend? |
| 16:04.42 | immotus | starts looking at vgchange |
| 16:04.53 | nsadmin | FilipeMaia, first I'd recommend 6 UPSes |
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| 16:05.19 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: instead of a single large one? |
| 16:05.41 | nsadmin | FilipeMaia, yes, because if one goes out it won't take out the other five |
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| 16:06.11 | FilipeMaia | nsadmin: i understand the idea but i would think the larger ones would be more reliable |
| 16:06.12 | nsadmin | (and don't put your monitors/printers on those upses :) |
| 16:06.16 | ChrisH | or 2 smaller ones.... efficency might increase if working at a higher load level. |
| 16:07.08 | nsadmin | immotus, take my situation for example... |
| 16:07.26 | immotus | nsadmin: vgchange did the trick! |
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| 16:07.59 | nsadmin | immotus, I have a large drive which I mostly keep it off and disconnected (it's a sata drive, and my laptop has an esata port) |
| 16:08.40 | nsadmin | immotus, sometimes I want something on it, or to store something so I'll hook it up and turn on the power... |
| 16:09.18 | nsadmin | immotus once the drive is spun up, the kernel hasnt seen the PVs yet, so I have to do a pvscan |
| 16:09.55 | nsadmin | then I can do a vgchange -a y, and since there are a lot of pvs and vgs, suddenly I have a lot of LVs available |
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| 16:10.28 | immotus | nsadmin: I'll need to modify the initrd debian gave me to make sure that it runs "vgchange -ay" just before it tries to mount "/" on my iSCSI device.. but it looks like it will work! :^) |
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| 16:10.46 | immotus | nsadmin: so I'll need to run at least "pvscan" before running "vgchange -ay" ? |
| 16:11.19 | nsadmin | so I can mount whichever, but since it's mostly a storage drive, (yes, I would run pvscan) |
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| 16:12.24 | immotus | nsadmin: excellent. thanks for the explanation :^) |
| 16:12.37 | nsadmin | I would want to turn it off... so I will unmount whatever I had mounted, run vgchange -a n, after which I like to run sync, then I'll power the drive down and unplug it from the laptop |
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| 16:16.49 | immotus | nsadmin: good to know. Thanks! I know LVM just well enough to be dangerous. I haven't had to mess with hotswapping disks with LVM on it before so I didn't know what vgchange actually did :^) |
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| 16:17.41 | immotus | nsadmin: it's been a long week, but I might actually have a diskless hypervisor setup before it ends! |
| 16:19.24 | immotus | nsadmin: interesting.. the initrd that debian gave me already has the "vgchange" commands to activate the logical volumes correctly.. for some reason they aren't firing off, though. I'll need to step through the script to figure out why |
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| 16:29.30 | nsadmin | immotus, it could be that since the initrd was built for a different setup for mounting root, it skips that part |
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| 16:33.52 | immotus | nsadmin: maybe... I just found out that the script in initrd for running vgchange is trying to detect if the device I specified for "root=" in my kernel parameters exists.. because it doesn't yet it doesn't bother to run the vgchange command that would make it exist :^) |
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| 16:34.07 | immotus | nsadmin: so.. exactly what you surmised :^) |
| 16:34.16 | immotus | modifies the initrd again |
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| 16:38.53 | asturel | im blind or packages.debian.org doesnt offer download anymore? |
| 16:39.33 | ksk | scroll down, choose your arch |
| 16:39.35 | ksk | download it |
| 16:39.45 | ksk | you can also use "aptitude download" |
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| 16:45.39 | nsadmin | immotus, very cool! the purpose of the initrd is simple and singular: to provide support for mounting / |
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| 16:46.59 | sweb | what's an error for wget .... "This version does not have support for IRIs" |
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| 16:48.56 | asturel | ksk i mean http download |
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| 16:49.07 | asturel | without any specific app |
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| 16:49.35 | Hrubak | corr: hi |
| 16:49.40 | corr_ | hey why can't linux do anything right? all i wanna do is play these dvds |
| 16:50.00 | Hrubak | corr_:dsfd |
| 16:50.10 | asturel | hmm in source i found it |
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| 16:51.23 | Hrubak | corr_: hi |
| 16:51.50 | corr_ | Hrubak: something |
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| 16:53.39 | Hrubak | corr_: popup? |
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| 16:56.28 | bfgun | hello, ftp.ccc.uba.ar is down, where can i get a testing mirror for php stuff? |
| 16:57.02 | immotus | nsadmin: I'm glad I'm poking around in the right place, then... it seems hard to find consistend documentation on the initrd.. I guess it changes a lot from one distro release to another |
| 16:57.42 | jelly-home | corr_: how is eg. vlc failing to play them? |
| 16:58.24 | peterrooney | corr_: it's not linux, it's hollywood. it's possible to play DVDs on linux just fine; on debian it's not so straightforward due to possible legal issues. |
| 16:58.28 | mmnicolas | the movie industry can't do anything right |
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| 16:59.26 | thewanderer1 | ↑ thankfully :P |
| 17:00.50 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: Not much has changed about the initrd since the 2.4 kernel or earlier. |
| 17:01.12 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: That's why it's hard to find current documentation. |
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| 17:02.58 | immotus | jhutchins_wk: I guess most folks aren't going to be mucking about in the initrd anyways |
| 17:03.03 | jhutchins_wk | I haven't had an trouble duplicating DVD's or playing iso images ripped from DVDs. Next project is to get into a DVD and remaster it with chapters where I want them |
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| 17:04.19 | immotus | jhutchins_wk: so you can watch LOTR without the Frodo chapters? ;^) |
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| 17:06.07 | asturel | !wheezy |
| 17:06.08 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 17:06.15 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: Actually, it's an out-of-production VHS video recorded to a DVD. Trying to chapterize it with the DVD with the remote control is just crazy. |
| 17:06.16 | asturel | !debian |
| 17:06.16 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 17:06.23 | break19 | immotus: no, so he can strip out the useless "plot" from his pr0n collection |
| 17:06.23 | asturel | !debian lenny |
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| 17:07.07 | break19 | hmm, actually.. that's a pretty good idea.. afk a bit |
| 17:07.17 | jhutchins_wk | asturel: For extensive bot queries not related to a current discussion, please use /msg dpkg <trigger> |
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| 17:09.46 | nsadmin | asturel, other than that, what did you want to find out? |
| 17:10.42 | asturel | current stable 'dist' |
| 17:10.44 | asturel | :D |
| 17:10.46 | asturel | but found it |
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| 17:11.54 | nsadmin | right, that would be lenny+1, squeeze |
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| 17:13.08 | asturel | which package contains chroot? |
| 17:13.51 | asturel | ah its root only :D |
| 17:14.03 | nsadmin | yes, as is chown |
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| 17:15.11 | nsadmin | sometimes they'll throw root only stuff (or recommended so) into /sbin or /usr/sbin, which is in root's path but not plain user's path (by default) |
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| 17:16.56 | iamdgp | hi all, ;-) |
| 17:20.38 | simonlnu | the file format for initrds has changed though. the structure hasn't IIRC. |
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| 17:23.41 | dolapevich | question: how can I know the compile options of a package? |
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| 17:24.48 | brainsoft | i sometimes have running 'xprop id <number> spy', whats that? |
| 17:25.04 | nsadmin | dolapevich, look at where they're set... many package sources have configure script |
| 17:25.29 | nsadmin | lots of times, packagers will call configure from debian/rules |
| 17:26.06 | nsadmin | , file bin/xprop |
| 17:26.11 | judd | Search for bin/xprop in squeeze/i386: x11-utils: usr/bin/xprop |
| 17:26.31 | dolapevich | nsadmin: what does that mean? |
| 17:26.37 | dolapevich | Do I need to install the source package? |
| 17:26.52 | nsadmin | dolapevich, install? well, download. |
| 17:26.59 | dolapevich | I remember I read some time ago of a dpkg command for that |
| 17:27.08 | nsadmin | I like to make a dir where the source gets placed |
| 17:27.27 | nsadmin | so, are you in your home dir? |
| 17:27.43 | dolapevich | yes |
| 17:27.45 | nsadmin | at a shell prompt? |
| 17:27.50 | dolapevich | this is an armhf :) |
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| 17:27.58 | nsadmin | ok, what package? |
| 17:28.00 | dolapevich | no src repositories configured |
| 17:28.02 | dolapevich | mpd |
| 17:28.16 | dolapevich | I need to know if it was compiled with zip support |
| 17:28.16 | nsadmin | so, you will want to configure a source repo |
| 17:28.27 | nsadmin | mkdir mpd-work |
| 17:28.33 | nsadmin | cd mpd-work |
| 17:28.35 | dolapevich | ok |
| 17:28.39 | nsadmin | apt-get source mpd |
| 17:28.42 | nsadmin | then ls |
| 17:29.12 | nsadmin | (notice you can use these instructions for any package) |
| 17:29.29 | dolapevich | yes |
| 17:29.44 | simonlnu | lots of times? always. |
| 17:29.45 | dolapevich | I need to add the deb-src repositories for this to work |
| 17:29.48 | dolapevich | just a second |
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| 17:30.50 | nsadmin | simonlnu, even packages where the source either does not have configure, or does have it but the build system is not complete? |
| 17:31.14 | simonlnu | it's always handled from debian/rules no matter what build system it is |
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| 17:32.01 | nsadmin | I've seen even exceptions to that... I never figured out why they did it, since it is best-practice to put it there |
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| 17:32.52 | simonlnu | i've never seen an exception to that. not with .debs. |
| 17:33.03 | nsadmin | ok :) |
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| 17:33.57 | dolapevich | bear with me, this thing eats just 5 watts, no wild power on it.. |
| 17:34.18 | simonlnu | suggests nsadmin go read debian policy ;) |
| 17:34.56 | thewanderer1 | dolapevich: huh, raspberry pi? :P |
| 17:35.24 | dolapevich | No, a goolge tv device |
| 17:35.36 | dolapevich | but it is that order of power :P |
| 17:35.38 | dolapevich | Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x mpd_0.16.7-2.dsc' failed. |
| 17:35.43 | dolapevich | but it was downloaded |
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| 17:43.32 | somiaj | dolapevich: how did it fail, can you paste any output/errors you get at paste.debian.net |
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| 17:45.10 | john_dee | Hey. |
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| 17:45.50 | john_dee | Have anyone here successfully built pvgrub on squeeze? |
| 17:46.05 | john_dee | And it yes, could you share docs, wikis and rtfms? |
| 17:46.10 | john_dee | if* |
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| 17:46.52 | Gargantua | xscreensaver refuses to kick in, any help? |
| 17:47.40 | Gargantua | http://bpaste.net/show/40783 |
| 17:47.58 | Gargantua | No, gnome's screensaver not running. |
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| 17:49.43 | Gargantua | I've got it to blank after one minute and lock after 0. |
| 17:49.49 | Gargantua | Does anyone use it? |
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| 17:50.16 | jhutchins_wk | Gargantua: Yes, many people use it. |
| 17:50.43 | jhutchins_wk | Gargantua: Did you set it to use any particular screensaver module? Blank is the default. |
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| 17:52.54 | Gargantua | jhutchins_wk: i set it to blank, I just want a black screen, you know? |
| 17:52.56 | Gargantua | preview works. |
| 17:53.02 | Gargantua | Err, no |
| 17:53.06 | Gargantua | It works for modules. |
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| 17:54.22 | Gargantua | Also, using opengl screensavers sometimes makes the login screen not show up |
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| 17:59.32 | nicker | Hi, I have just compiled a C code via make. The documentation of the compiler says that a Hello.so file should be generated but I don't see it there. Instead there is Hello.d and Hello.o, does anyone of these corresponds to Hello.so on debian ? |
| 18:00.30 | jelly-home | nicker: they don't, it's .so even on Debian |
| 18:00.45 | thewanderer1 | pasting the makefile would probably help |
| 18:00.48 | Gargantua | ^ |
| 18:00.51 | thewanderer1 | (paste.debian.net) |
| 18:00.52 | jelly-home | nicker: which C code? Which debian release? |
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| 18:01.24 | jelly-home | nicker: are you sure the linked library result is not in a subdirectory somewhere? |
| 18:02.32 | nicker | jelly-home: yes, it was indeed in a parent dir, it was my mistake. Thanks |
| 18:03.43 | jelly-home | !win nicker |
| 18:03.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, nicker! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 18:06.43 | nicker | hehe |
| 18:07.28 | Gargantua | !win me |
| 18:07.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, gargantua! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
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| 18:07.54 | Gargantua | !win dows |
| 18:07.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, dows! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | Gargantua: stop |
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| 18:21.49 | jaseemabid | I am happy that Debian defaults to xfce now. Good job I would say whatever reason it is behind the move. Context: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk |
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| 18:23.32 | Gargantua | jhutchins_wk: I tried several screensavers now, still won't kick in. |
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| 18:24.20 | Gargantua | Also, hm |
| 18:24.25 | Gargantua | I tried doing `sleep 1; grep i8042 /proc/interrupts; sleep 3; grep i8042 /proc/interrupts` |
| 18:24.33 | Gargantua | Without pressing anything |
| 18:24.34 | jhutchins_wk | Gargantua: Possibly something is generating traffic on the inputs that it's watching. |
| 18:24.37 | Gargantua | And the numbers change anyway |
| 18:24.44 | Gargantua | Yeah that's what I'm guessing |
| 18:24.47 | Gargantua | What do you think it could be? |
| 18:25.25 | jhutchins_wk | Gargantua: I don't really know, and you've told us nothing about your hardware, video drivers, release, environment... |
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| 18:26.02 | Gargantua | Okay |
| 18:26.10 | Gargantua | Linux laptix 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:19 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:26.15 | Gargantua | Squeeze |
| 18:26.30 | Gargantua | Openbox, Travelmate 5700 |
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| 18:31.52 | `jpi | hi anyone here ? |
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| 18:32.04 | Gargantua | I have an elantech touchpad |
| 18:32.10 | Gargantua | That's about all I can think of, jhutchins_wk |
| 18:32.15 | Gargantua | Just point me to the right direction :P |
| 18:32.17 | `jpi | wtf Gargantua |
| 18:32.26 | `jpi | i dont care what touchpad do you have |
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| 18:33.09 | mmnicolas | ...did it ever occured to you that he was talking to someone else |
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| 18:35.41 | Gargantua | Is it safe to kill dbus? just for a while? |
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| 18:36.06 | mmnicolas | Gargantua: try unloading your touchpad module, or disable it from the bios just to see if it changes anything |
| 18:36.46 | Gargantua | Just comment it out from xorg.conf and reload X? |
| 18:37.50 | Gargantua | brb |
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| 18:38.43 | mmnicolas | thats worth trying but I meant kernel module |
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| 18:44.46 | Gargantua | No luck :/ |
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| 18:45.04 | Gargantua | Is there a way to see exactly what interrupts xscreensaver is getting? |
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| 18:49.12 | Gargantua | I did a for loop and grepped 18042 from /proc/interrupts, without touching anything: http://bpaste.net/show/40791 |
| 18:49.16 | Gargantua | Does that look normal? |
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| 19:31.25 | LordBurzum95 | The typical folders found in /home are on another (1TB) drive. How should i partition my disc with the os on it? |
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| 19:35.21 | alternut | how should I go about partitioning a 32gb ssd to install debian on? |
| 19:35.46 | joltcan | alternut: All in one partition |
| 19:36.12 | alternut | swap on it or on a regular hard drive? |
| 19:36.14 | joltcan | alternut: maybe some swap, like 50% of your RAM if over 1GB |
| 19:36.23 | alternut | this is for a desktop |
| 19:36.25 | alternut | 4gb ram |
| 19:36.27 | joltcan | alternut: if you have a regular thats probably better |
| 19:36.30 | thewanderer1 | you don't need swap... |
| 19:36.42 | joltcan | thewanderer1: OOM is boring |
| 19:36.59 | thewanderer1 | boring is waiting for your storage to catch up when it's doubling as RAM |
| 19:37.06 | alternut | thats what I though, but I hear so many conflicting reports about swap |
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| 19:37.43 | joltcan | Well, it's very much up to your own taste. If you don't have swap and your memory is full, then the OS is going to kill the program. If that is a problem or not is totally up to you |
| 19:37.50 | alternut | ok, so no swap..will /home on the ssd vs a hard drive make much of a difference? especially room wise |
| 19:37.52 | joltcan | kill _a_ program |
| 19:38.19 | thewanderer1 | joltcan: the memory allocator can be told to refuse allocations... overcommit_memory = 2 |
| 19:38.33 | joltcan | alternut: Since you probably gonna have lots of small files etc in your home dir (i.e. email, documents etc), /home should be on the fastest partition imho |
| 19:38.46 | thewanderer1 | uhm, /home will also store the biggest files |
| 19:38.57 | alternut | ^ which is a problem with 32gb |
| 19:39.00 | joltcan | thewanderer1: Sure, but he didn't know that, so his program would have been killed |
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| 19:39.28 | thewanderer1 | anyway, if you only have an SSD, there's no fast and slow partitions - it's random-access |
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| 19:39.58 | alternut | I have about 60gbs extra on a regular hard disk for w/e else I might need |
| 19:40.14 | thewanderer1 | I'd say for 32GB, keep it all on one partition - otherwise, one of the partitions will run out of space |
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| 19:40.28 | alternut | i'm gradually switching over from windows, so theres ~3TB of drives hah |
| 19:40.28 | katarzyna | Good evening. I've got one small problem. Could anyone help me with configuring hotkeys (I mean: function keys executed with Fn-key) on EeePC? Is eeepc-acpi-scripts actual? |
| 19:40.31 | alternut | in ntfs |
| 19:41.17 | thewanderer1 | if you are planning to use an SSD+HDD setup, OS on the SSD, /home on the SSD and media files (maybe symlinks leading from ~/Documents to /mnt/media?) on the HDD |
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| 19:42.27 | alternut | alright thewanderer1, now do I need to do any special preformatting, trim and whatnot |
| 19:42.37 | alternut | or will ext4 take care of it all now |
| 19:42.39 | Devastator-work | sorry |
| 19:42.40 | Devastator-work | j winehq |
| 19:42.41 | Devastator-work | opss |
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| 19:43.34 | thewanderer1 | alternut: as far as I know, you should format by hand (parted can help you, or gdisk if you're going for GPT) - and enable trim on ext4 by using "discard" option |
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| 19:43.53 | thewanderer1 | also, noatime |
| 19:44.25 | fbrn | how to install skype on debian amd64 whezzy? |
| 19:44.33 | alternut | right, I read about that, but, this being the first install, how do I add noatime? |
| 19:44.55 | thewanderer1 | alternut: in the installer you can choose additional options for a given partition - noatime is one of them |
| 19:45.02 | alternut | oh nice ok |
| 19:45.12 | thewanderer1 | alternut: AFAIK, discard is not in the list - you'll have to modify fstab |
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| 19:46.12 | alternut | ok, and whats that do? |
| 19:46.52 | alternut | ya, I dont see it listed anywhere |
| 19:47.02 | alternut | also, reserved blocks still 5%? |
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| 19:47.33 | fbrn | still not running and having a few problems |
| 19:47.37 | thewanderer1 | yeah, leave some space for root only, it could be useful |
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| 19:50.06 | alternut | i'll probably installing a lot of stuff to learn, maybe its a better idea to put /home on a hard drive? or should I put a different one, I'm not sure where most installs go, /etc? |
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| 19:50.43 | grzeslaw | hello |
| 19:51.08 | thewanderer1 | alternut: /home being on an SSD will provide fast log-in times - but you should put your Documents directory, or whatever you use for storing most files, on the HDD |
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| 19:51.29 | grzeslaw | I have a problem with configuring time in debian.. I chose the Montral. as a Town, but it shows me one hour earlier.. what can it be? |
| 19:51.33 | thewanderer1 | my laptop has a 64GB SSD only and it's enough for Debian and data |
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| 19:52.54 | alternut | one of my ntfs partitions is not showing up :/ this worries me a bit, its an entire drive |
| 19:53.35 | Blodwig | I'm having issues with fans on my laptop, I'm trying to run pwmconfig to set things up but I get this: /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed |
| 19:53.41 | alternut | without swap, do you think firefox will have issues.. |
| 19:53.44 | Blodwig | I have both lm-sensors and fancontrol installed |
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| 19:54.46 | thewanderer1 | alternut: probably not on 4GB... unless you launch 50 tabs with Flash. |
| 19:55.04 | alternut | would there be any downside to having swap just in case? |
| 19:55.27 | thewanderer1 | alternut: no, you only have to allocate space for it |
| 19:55.37 | alternut | ok |
| 19:55.47 | thewanderer1 | (and prepare for your system slowing down by an order of 100 when you run out of RAM) |
| 19:55.51 | alternut | I have loads of hd space, so might as well |
| 19:56.15 | thewanderer1 | swap on HDD = if you run out of memory, you won't be able to rectify the situation anyway |
| 19:56.25 | thewanderer1 | maybe if you wait a week, the system will become responsive again |
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| 19:56.44 | alternut | then what is the point of swap? |
| 19:56.58 | thewanderer1 | the main purpose of swap is to store long-running programs to make free space for disk caching and apps that might need memory more urgently |
| 19:57.19 | thewanderer1 | if you have Firefox itself use up all your RAM... you're out of luck |
| 19:57.57 | alternut | ok |
| 19:58.03 | thewanderer1 | (swap is useful if you have GIMP running with a 500MB picture and you leave it in the background, then decide to run Iceweasel with 20 tabs - GIMP may get swapped if it's inactive, so that Iceweasel is more responsive) |
| 19:58.20 | alternut | alrigh |
| 19:58.23 | alternut | t |
| 19:58.42 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: iceweasel with only 20 tabs would _free_ memory in my case |
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| 19:59.45 | thewanderer1 | alternut: also, about NTFS: Windows has something called "dynamic disks" or "logical volumes". that won't work :P |
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| 20:00.13 | alternut | right, but I'm making swap on its own partition |
| 20:01.27 | alternut | well regardless, just need something to work |
| 20:01.48 | jelly-home | alternut: do _not_ put swap (you plan to use for anything but hibernation) to ssd |
| 20:01.49 | alternut | my buddy has been telling me all these different distros to try, and why everything I start with is shit, so i never actually got around to learning anything |
| 20:02.09 | jelly-home | alternut: buy more ram instead. |
| 20:02.09 | Diopter | alternut: Sounds like you should tell your buddy to stfu |
| 20:02.20 | alternut | hes my only rl linux user friend |
| 20:02.26 | alternut | :/ |
| 20:02.30 | Diopter | Find a LUG |
| 20:02.31 | jelly-home | 8GB more ram is quite a bit cheaper than a dead ssd |
| 20:02.40 | alternut | I got 4gb right now |
| 20:02.44 | jhutchins_wk | alternut: A more open mind when looking at new systems might be in order as well. |
| 20:02.46 | alternut | maybe if I need it I'll get 4 more |
| 20:03.03 | jhutchins_wk | alternut: 4 is fine. |
| 20:03.27 | alternut | is there anything that will actually use a core2quad? I yet to really use much of this cpu |
| 20:03.35 | andares | hey, what should I do if I need a package from unstable in my debian stable install? |
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| 20:03.50 | nevyn | !simple sid backport |
| 20:03.50 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 20:04.10 | andares | what's sid? I have squeeze. |
| 20:04.15 | cardamon | This is weird. "$ ssh-add -l |
| 20:04.22 | nevyn | !sid |
| 20:04.22 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 20:04.34 | cardamon | Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." |
| 20:04.39 | andares | ahhhh |
| 20:04.49 | andares | !simple sid debian-backports |
| 20:05.00 | andares | er. |
| 20:05.05 | andares | !debian-backports |
| 20:05.05 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 20:05.08 | nevyn | !tell andares about debian-backports |
| 20:05.12 | nevyn | !msg |
| 20:05.12 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 20:05.12 | andares | ah, thanks. |
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| 20:05.24 | andares | ironically, the !msg message is a giant wordwall :p |
| 20:05.31 | nevyn | heh |
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| 20:06.25 | alternut | 36minutes to install :O I picked a bad day to max out my torrent server |
| 20:06.45 | cardamon | ssh-add keeps telling me "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent" |
| 20:07.09 | cardamon | I added my first key to it earlier and now I'm trying to delete it so I can add it back but without the -c option. |
| 20:07.33 | nevyn | alternut: there are lots of things that will "max out" a core2quad but being cpu bound is usually inadvisable |
| 20:07.56 | alternut | what uses 4 cores? |
| 20:08.17 | nevyn | for starters multitasking. |
| 20:08.43 | nevyn | but actual heavy cpu workloads like rendering and raytracing will still eat cpu |
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| 20:09.02 | nevyn | and are coded to use multiple threads to get stuff done |
| 20:09.06 | alternut | havent done 3d rendering since highschool ;_; |
| 20:09.12 | Hrubak | try building android and see how well 4 cores handles that |
| 20:09.17 | alternut | hmm |
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| 20:09.33 | nevyn | building software |
| 20:09.42 | nevyn | particularly kernels or large projects |
| 20:09.48 | nevyn | mozilla/libreoffice/kde |
| 20:09.55 | alternut | alright |
| 20:10.12 | Hrubak | i have 24 cores and can max them out easily |
| 20:10.17 | alternut | O.o |
| 20:10.20 | jelly-home | or 10bit 1080p video |
| 20:10.31 | alternut | is that a serverboard? or like a cluster? |
| 20:10.44 | Hrubak | server boeard |
| 20:10.47 | Hrubak | board |
| 20:10.54 | alternut | wow |
| 20:10.58 | alternut | work? |
| 20:11.01 | alternut | for work? |
| 20:11.19 | Diopter | 24 cores isn't that uncommon now |
| 20:11.19 | Hrubak | 2- 6 core xeon hypertheading cpus |
| 20:11.22 | simonlnu | server beard :P |
| 20:11.23 | jelly-home | 4096 cores is more of a wow |
| 20:11.31 | Diopter | serverbeard! |
| 20:11.32 | alternut | ah ok |
| 20:11.34 | Hrubak | ^^^^ |
| 20:11.40 | jelly-home | Hrubak: so 12 cores. |
| 20:11.45 | Hrubak | sweet beard server |
| 20:11.53 | alternut | lol |
| 20:11.59 | simonlnu | beardd |
| 20:12.00 | Hrubak | esx can use sees 24 |
| 20:12.15 | simonlnu | unixbeardd |
| 20:12.18 | jelly-home | yeah. Try getting them all used at the same time |
| 20:12.32 | simonlnu | ok, enough ot from me in here |
| 20:12.33 | Hrubak | i do @ like 38Ghz |
| 20:13.02 | nevyn | the stuff at work has 32 (4x4core Opterons) |
| 20:13.03 | jelly-home | enough cpu for a couple dozen guests |
| 20:13.06 | alternut | debian ftp server must just be slow? |
| 20:13.19 | alternut | cut off my torrent server still no improvement |
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| 20:14.33 | cardamon | Maybe I'm not understanding ssh-agent right. |
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| 20:14.51 | cardamon | Is it a service I have to stop or autorun or does it run by default or something? |
| 20:15.22 | cardamon | I was able add a key to it, but now any change is met with an error about not being able to connect to the agent. |
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| 20:16.05 | simonlnu | install keychain and set it up |
| 20:16.54 | cardamon | simonlnu: Is ssh-agent alone not enough? |
| 20:17.37 | Devastator-work | Is there a way to force a ttyUSB number by a vid&pid filter? |
| 20:17.59 | andares | nevyn: hey, I followed the instructions, but I'm not getting a newer version of mingw32-runtime. does debian just not have 3.15 anywhere? |
| 20:18.09 | Burzum95 | fresh install on desktop running nvidia gpu. how do i get it to boot? i have grub. |
| 20:18.31 | andares | Burzum95: what error are you getting? |
| 20:19.16 | nevyn | andares: that's probably something you shouldn't be trying to do a simple backport on |
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| 20:20.01 | Burzum95 | http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2w4iwm1&s=6 |
| 20:20.08 | Burzum95 | that one |
| 20:20.37 | simonlnu | cardamon: usually is, but keychain makes it less of a PITA to manage |
| 20:20.52 | andares | nevyn: but 3.15 has been out since 2008... |
| 20:20.52 | simonlnu | get it started, login to the key, etc |
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| 20:21.36 | nevyn | andares: what's the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 20:22.25 | andares | nevyn: I'm trying to cross-compile VLC for Windows, which requires mingw32 >= 3.15 |
| 20:22.59 | Burzum95 | andares: is this something you can help with? |
| 20:23.01 | nevyn | !versions mingw32-runtime |
| 20:23.20 | jelly-home | nevyn: , for judd instead of ! |
| 20:23.36 | nevyn | judd mingw32-runtime |
| 20:23.49 | andares | Burzum95: does it just hang there? |
| 20:23.54 | jelly-home | ,versions mingw32-runtime |
| 20:23.55 | judd | Package: mingw32-runtime on i386 -- lenny: 3.13-1; sid: 3.13-1; squeeze: 3.13-1; wheezy: 3.13-1 |
| 20:23.58 | nevyn | oh duh |
| 20:24.33 | andares | Burzum95: actually, are you able to boot into your OS via chroot from the install medium? |
| 20:24.46 | jelly-home | ,bug 498529 |
| 20:24.46 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/498529 in mingw32-runtime (open, patch): «Please update to 3.15»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-09-10; last modified: 2011-01-12. |
| 20:24.52 | nsadmin | people are not caring too mucn for ming :) |
| 20:24.54 | andares | it looks like your nouveau driver is failing, probably due to not supporting whatever card you're using. |
| 20:25.03 | Burzum95 | andares: the liveboot works under failsafe mode if thats what your asking |
| 20:25.23 | andares | Burzum95: I'd advise using the non-free nvidia drivers rather than nouveau. |
| 20:25.33 | andares | I think that might fix the problem. |
| 20:25.43 | jelly-home | ,v gcc-mingw-w64 |
| 20:25.45 | judd | Package: gcc-mingw-w64 on i386 -- sid: 4.6.3-5+6; wheezy: 4.6.3-5+6; sid: 4.6.3-8+7 |
| 20:25.51 | Burzum95 | andares: i cannot get them without booting into the os though right? |
| 20:26.11 | andares | Burzum95: you should be able to boot into the OS by using the install CD's "boot existing OS" option (I think it has one) |
| 20:26.40 | Burzum95 | okay standby. |
| 20:26.44 | andares | either that, or launch the install CD, but rather than using the installer, mount your / to /mnt, along with /sys and /proc, and then chroot into. |
| 20:26.56 | jelly-home | andares: http://bugs.debian.org/648306 suggests gcc-mingw-w64 is able to generate win32 code as well |
| 20:27.01 | andares | jelly-home: I'm trying to avoid mingw-w64 since it does kind of funky stuff. |
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| 20:27.24 | andares | and VLC has a bunch of mingw-w32 precompiled stuff that takes several days to compile otherwise. |
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| 20:28.07 | andares | jelly-home: although, does mingw-w64 run on i386? |
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| 20:29.35 | Burzum95 | andares: neither of these are options since what im running is crunchbang |
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| 20:30.42 | andares | Burzum95: hm, could you disable nouveau entirely for now? |
| 20:30.51 | andares | to do that all you have to do is remove the kernel module via apt. |
| 20:31.05 | andares | or add it to the modules.d blacklist iirc |
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| 20:32.00 | jelly-home | andares: yes, judd bot defaults to showing packages for i386 (32bit) |
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| 20:32.47 | jelly-home | andares: don't ask me how _well_ it runs tho, I have no idea |
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| 20:34.03 | andares | argh this is a horrible nightmare |
| 20:34.45 | nsadmin | andares, simply wake up |
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| 20:36.49 | andares | I cannot! |
| 20:37.04 | andares | jelly-home: it's odd, I have mingw-w64 installed but no i686-* stuff |
| 20:37.18 | andares | is there a way I can check to see what the package is actually providing? |
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| 20:37.56 | cardamon | Is ssh-agent something I must run or re-run? I see it running through ps-aux but I'm still prompted for my passphrase for my key when I ssh, and ssh-add -l says it can't connect to the agent. |
| 20:37.59 | Burzum95 | i appreciate the help andares |
| 20:37.59 | jelly-home | judd: file usr/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc |
| 20:38.02 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 20:38.08 | jelly-home | judd: file usr/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc --release sid |
| 20:38.12 | judd | Search for usr/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc in sid/i386: gcc-mingw-w64-i686: usr/bin/i686-w64-mingw32-gcc |
| 20:38.14 | Burzum95 | got to go, get this solved another time] |
| 20:38.27 | jelly-home | andares: apt-file is your local friend |
| 20:39.14 | andares | hmm, now to install from sid.. although it's 4 years old already. :/ |
| 20:39.30 | andares | thanks jelly-home |
| 20:39.34 | jelly-home | which release are you using anyway |
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| 20:39.55 | andares | jelly-home: squeeze. |
| 20:40.00 | jelly-home | oops |
| 20:40.09 | andares | gulps. |
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| 20:40.27 | jelly-home | yeah, can't say anything nice about your situation |
| 20:40.39 | jelly-home | you could go squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:40.45 | Ys | if I mount an ext4 fs noatime,nodiratime does that mean cron won't work properly? |
| 20:40.52 | andares | aww they're all toy story codenames :) |
| 20:40.56 | Ys | say if I have it use find to delete stuff periodically? |
| 20:41.01 | jelly-home | andares: or set up a separate wheezy or sid chroot |
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| 20:41.15 | andares | I'm on a VM, I'll just nuke it and start over. |
| 20:41.21 | andares | thanks jelly-home! |
| 20:41.51 | jelly-home | andares: don't, it's actually saner to upgrade than to install wheezy from scratch, at this time |
| 20:42.02 | jelly-home | andares: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:42.03 | andares | huh, okay. |
| 20:42.07 | nsadmin | Ys, on what mount point? |
| 20:43.02 | Ys | nsadmin: its root. its a raspberry pi so runs on an sdcard which I dont want to wear out. but I figure if I dont record access times on files/dirs that will mean cron won't work too good? |
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| 20:44.02 | jelly-home | Ys: cron does not care about access times at all |
| 20:44.38 | Ys | it does if you use find to delete contents of folders based on their age tho right? |
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| 20:45.08 | jordanm | Ys: -mtime -ctime, -atime. only if you use -atime, which you probably shouldn't |
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| 20:45.36 | Ys | kk |
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| 20:46.20 | jelly-home | Ys: it's not cron then, but your cron job |
| 20:46.38 | jelly-home | the daemon itself works |
| 20:47.28 | alternut | :O so I got debian installed.... |
| 20:47.29 | simonlnu | it'll delete it every time you access it ;) |
| 20:47.36 | alternut | it booted into the os in like 1 second |
| 20:47.47 | alternut | this wasnt even an expensive ssd |
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| 20:48.09 | oo_miguel | how do I install the flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 20:48.15 | oo_miguel | ? |
| 20:48.28 | oo_miguel | do I need to add something to my apt/sources?\ |
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| 20:50.20 | simonlnu | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:50.21 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for squeeze and later releases. There is also a flashplayer-mozilla package in <dmm> (non-free section). WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. Read more on http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer . See also <flash amd64>, <bdo>, <dmm>. |
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| 20:55.43 | r3m | ,v bitlbee |
| 20:55.44 | judd | Package: bitlbee on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1; wheezy: 3.0.5-1; sid: 3.0.5-1.1 |
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| 21:03.12 | cardamon | Is ssh-agent something I must run or re-run? I see it running through ps-aux but I'm still prompted for my passphrase for my key when I ssh, and ssh-add -l says it can't connect to the agent. |
| 21:03.52 | simonlnu | check your env. vars. |
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| 21:21.54 | simonlnu | cardamon: 'printenv' to start. you can also grep for SSH in there |
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| 21:34.10 | b0rsuk | I need help. Unmet dependencies for 3 packages. apt-get -f install doesn't work: http://bpaste.net/show/lVjYNyi7agEvIEg2NWU7/ |
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| 21:35.24 | b0rsuk | I have kdebase-bin 4:4.8.4-1, konqueror complains it wants kdebase-bin 4:4.6.5-1 |
| 21:35.35 | b0rsuk | I can't install or uninstall anything. Help ! |
| 21:36.15 | anomalies | try apt-get -y dist-upgrade |
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| 21:39.29 | b0rsuk | anomalies: Thank you, it went forward. |
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| 21:40.42 | anomalies | solved? |
| 21:42.01 | b0rsuk | anomalies: I'm not sure, it's in progress but at least it's not the same error forever anymore. |
| 21:42.24 | anomalies | oh ok |
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| 21:44.27 | b0rsuk | Okay, it stopped with the error: http://bpaste.net/show/gRyCzyRmSFXUXSA1F4N2/ |
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| 21:45.10 | jordanm | !tell b0rsuk about bts |
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| 21:45.21 | anomalies | try this: apt-get clean all && apt-get -y dist-upgrade && apt-get -u autoremove |
| 21:45.27 | jordanm | b0rsuk: looks like a bug, file one if it doesn't exist |
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| 21:45.47 | anomalies | sh*t |
| 21:45.53 | anomalies | i forgot to add apt-get update |
| 21:45.54 | anomalies | ~_~ |
| 21:45.54 | apt | STOP THAT! |
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| 21:46.39 | b0rsuk | stop what ? |
| 21:47.01 | anomalies | that's bot :D |
| 21:47.03 | b0rsuk | anomalies: Should apt-get update go to the beginning of the command ? |
| 21:47.10 | anomalies | nope |
| 21:47.19 | anomalies | clean the cache first then re-update the list |
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| 21:47.36 | anomalies | after that upgrade then remove old unnecessary package(s) |
| 21:47.42 | jordanm | anomalies: how is cleaning out downloaded packages magically going to make 2 packages no longer include the same file? |
| 21:47.57 | jordanm | an apt-get update might help, only if the bug has already been resolved |
| 21:48.11 | anomalies | just saying |
| 21:48.16 | b0rsuk | and I suppose I'm going to need -f as well ? |
| 21:48.16 | anomalies | never use kde :) |
| 21:49.02 | jordanm | versions kdebase-data |
| 21:49.04 | jordanm | ,versions kdebase-data |
| 21:49.06 | judd | Package: kdebase-data on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2 |
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| 21:49.40 | jordanm | b0rsuk: kdebase-data doesn't seem to exist in wheezy, where did you get it? |
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| 21:51.00 | jordanm | b0rsuk: looks like the package was removed; dpkg -r kdebase-data; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 21:51.05 | b0rsuk | jordanm: I'm not sure. I only have 'wheezy' in sources.list, but for some reason less /etc/issue says "wheezy/sid" |
| 21:51.22 | jordanm | b0rsuk: yes, issue will say that until wheezy is stable |
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| 21:51.37 | themill | !show sources.list b0rsuk |
| 21:51.37 | dpkg | b0rsuk: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 21:52.05 | jordanm | seems like apt-cache policy output would be a bit easier than that find command |
| 21:52.10 | anomalies | find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; | pastebinit |
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| 21:53.02 | themill | jordanm: policy is now full of translation crap that makes it harder to see, plus doesn't tell us which file stuff is in... but yeah. It could well be |
| 21:53.12 | jordanm | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=679789 |
| 21:53.35 | b0rsuk | jordanm: My sources.list: http://bpaste.net/show/bN70Uwndcgwgq8ldBaNr/ |
| 21:53.50 | jordanm | b0rsuk: see the bug report |
| 21:55.21 | anomalies | see msg#32 |
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| 21:55.59 | anomalies | anyway.. gonna hit the bed |
| 21:56.06 | anomalies | 5AM here ~_~ |
| 21:56.52 | b0rsuk | jordanm: You're saying I should do the force-overwrite command ? |
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| 21:57.38 | jordanm | b0rsuk: or manually remove kdebase-data |
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| 21:59.21 | b0rsuk | dpkg -r doesn't work, it says "dependency problem" and mentions konqueror. I'll try the other command. |
| 21:59.21 | dpkg | removes doesn't work, it says "dependency problem" and mentions konqueror. I'll try the other command. along with a pound of flesh from b0rsuk's body, then staples b0rsuk back up with a staple gun. |
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| 21:59.38 | b0rsuk | Uh I startlet the bot :O |
| 22:02.05 | themill | b0rsuk: dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/konqueror_4%3a4.8.4-1_amd64.deb |
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| 22:06.01 | coreybj | Hello team |
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| 22:07.13 | coreybj | I want to run an ftp server but want to make sure it's really secure. Any suggestions? |
| 22:09.21 | coreybj | I guess this channel is quite dead now a days. |
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| 22:10.11 | anomalies | raised from the bed |
| 22:10.11 | b0rsuk | Everyone is switching to Windows 8. |
| 22:10.19 | Diopter | Windows 8 is the future. |
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| 22:10.28 | anomalies | coreybj; what is your requirement |
| 22:10.35 | anomalies | personal or public |
| 22:11.03 | anomalies | if personal, just use sshd (sftp) |
| 22:11.44 | coreybj | Personal. |
| 22:12.15 | anomalies | then use sftp (sshd) |
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| 22:12.27 | anomalies | built-in |
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| 22:12.53 | coreybj | Built-in? |
| 22:13.11 | coreybj | Oh. It comes with deviants? |
| 22:13.17 | coreybj | Debian. |
| 22:13.36 | anomalies | it's in the openssh-suite |
| 22:13.54 | anomalies | which is default installation whenever you install any kind of linux |
| 22:13.58 | anomalies | and bsd as well |
| 22:14.22 | coreybj | Yea. How long does it take before you stop feeling like you are fresh out the box with Linux? |
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| 22:14.52 | sdz | How can I specify on which output to display the framebuffer? kernel /stable root=/dev/sda3 video=uvesafb:mtrr:3,ywrap,1920x1200-32@60 |
| 22:14.53 | anomalies | err.. i'm lost there |
| 22:15.02 | cardamon | coreybj: I'm always learning new things. 10 years now. |
| 22:15.09 | anomalies | your point *pardon me for being sleepy and can't fully concentrate* |
| 22:16.15 | anomalies | well then.. if nothing else i should back to my bed |
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| 22:16.31 | anomalies | *hibernating* |
| 22:16.39 | coreybj | Thanks for your help. |
| 22:16.58 | anomalies | coreybj; man sftp |
| 22:17.21 | coreybj | Will do. Thanks buddy. |
| 22:17.21 | anomalies | read the fine manual.. it does help a lot |
| 22:17.23 | anomalies | :) |
| 22:17.48 | anomalies | ur welcome |
| 22:18.07 | anomalies | *this time really off the keyboard* |
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| 22:26.03 | cardamon | Is ssh-agent something I must run or re-run? I see it running through ps-aux but I'm still prompted for my passphrase for my key when I ssh, and ssh-add -l says it can't connect to the agent. http://paste.debian.net/184298/ |
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| 22:29.03 | themill | cardamon: is that agent PID the same as the PID of the one you can see running? |
| 22:29.12 | WinVery | Does this work on debian for you, http://www.winvery.com/ |
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| 22:29.50 | b0rsuk | Thank you guys, it helped. |
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| 22:30.01 | themill | \o/ |
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| 22:32.28 | cardamon | themill: I don't think so. The one in ps aux is mute 32068 0.0 0.0 3844 716 ? Ss 16:30 0:00 ssh-agent |
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| 22:33.48 | themill | that will be why ssh-add can't connect to it then. it's using the information in those two env variables to find the ssh-agent |
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| 22:39.10 | cardamon | themill: why is it and how do I fix it? |
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| 22:40.19 | cardamon | I killed the current agent. |
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| 22:43.19 | cardamon | Guh. |
| 22:43.32 | cardamon | I rebooted and now I have no identities in my agent. |
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| 22:48.47 | b0rsuk | Hmm, after upgrading KDE4 I can no longer see any applications in "start" menu. Any idea what packages I might be missing ? |
| 22:49.13 | b0rsuk | I go K>Applications, and all I see is empty white space. It worked earlier today. |
| 22:50.02 | themill | b0rsuk: have you logged out or rebooted since upgrading |
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| 22:50.38 | meoblast001 | hi |
| 22:50.42 | b0rsuk | themill: No, because, frankly, I'm afraid to ! |
| 22:50.44 | meoblast001 | so i did something today which i understand is "not good" |
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| 22:50.56 | meoblast001 | but i want to know if it's generally safe in these circumstances |
| 22:51.10 | b0rsuk | It won't get worse until I log out. Do you think I should do it ? |
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| 22:51.11 | themill | b0rsuk: kde doesn't like having its libraries and daemons upgraded underneath it. |
| 22:51.15 | linuxuz3r | hi |
| 22:51.23 | meoblast001 | i went to work with my system fresh installed with Debian Wheezy, thinking "There's nothing that could go wrong with my machine today".... but i was wrong |
| 22:51.43 | meoblast001 | i had PHP 5.4, and i needed version 5.3 in order to use the application i'm developing |
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| 22:52.09 | themill | (every time I read this php version game, I realise why it's a toy that's best avoided) |
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| 22:52.29 | meoblast001 | so like anyone with anxiety problems would do, i paniced... then i hurried and added Squeeze repos, and all PHP packages were forced to Squeeze |
| 22:52.40 | meoblast001 | i then locked the package versions and everything worked |
| 22:52.56 | themill | meoblast001: you're going to need to get it working with php 5.4 sooner or later... |
| 22:52.58 | meoblast001 | is this likely to cause me problems later? |
| 22:53.11 | meoblast001 | themill: well, i don't run the company, so |
| 22:53.28 | themill | meoblast001: you might get away with it for wheezy. But I imagine you'll want security support for php... |
| 22:53.33 | meoblast001 | i don't have any open tickets saying to convert the application to 5.4, so i have to work with what is available |
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| 22:53.55 | meoblast001 | well, i don't use PHP on any personal projects anywhere. i simply use it for work... so i don't really need security there, do i? |
| 22:54.08 | themill | o-0 |
| 22:54.34 | meoblast001 | unless somehow i can screw things up really bad with current versions of PHP |
| 22:54.39 | meoblast001 | but no one else except me is accessing the server |
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| 22:54.48 | themill | meoblast001: feel free to borrow our cluebat and hit people with it until they realise that they're going to have to support more than one version of php. |
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| 22:55.08 | meoblast001 | themill: heh, true |
| 22:55.09 | linuxuz3r | hey |
| 22:55.15 | meoblast001 | my personal choice would be not to use PHP |
| 22:55.22 | meoblast001 | but if you're using PHP, at least pay attention to what's deprecated |
| 22:55.23 | linuxuz3r | upgraded gnome-core and it turned my wallpaper to green |
| 22:55.30 | linuxuz3r | how do i change it |
| 22:55.36 | linuxuz3r | im on wheezy |
| 22:55.50 | linuxuz3r | and i still dont have gnome shell |
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| 22:56.10 | linuxuz3r | do i have to install gnome-shell after installing gnome-core |
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| 22:57.58 | linuxuz3r | debian people can you help |
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| 23:04.25 | b0rsuk | Hi, now I have "no screens found". Failed to load nvidia kernel module. |
| 23:04.46 | b0rsuk | Is there a quick workaround, like using "nv" driver in the past ? |
| 23:05.19 | b0rsuk | As far as I know newer X doesn't use xorg.conf ? |
| 23:06.16 | tidux | it does, but only as a fallback |
| 23:06.32 | tidux | like if you make a bunch of tweaks in xrandr and want to make them both permanent and systemwide |
| 23:06.35 | tidux | it goes in xorg.conf |
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| 23:07.04 | b0rsuk | I need some kind of fallback, I can use elinks when I'm desperate, but it's inconvenient |
| 23:07.46 | tidux | b0rsuk: try "nouveau" |
| 23:07.51 | tidux | that's the open source nvidia driver |
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| 23:09.05 | b0rsuk | tidux: Thanks. |
| 23:09.50 | tidux | no prob |
| 23:10.09 | b0rsuk | Nope, still "module nvidia not found" |
| 23:10.24 | linuxuz3r | upgraded gnome-core and it turned my wallpaper to green |
| 23:10.28 | linuxuz3r | do i have to install gnome-shell after installing gnome-core |
| 23:10.34 | linuxuz3r | debian people can you help |
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| 23:10.43 | b0rsuk | http://paste.debian.net/184306 |
| 23:11.21 | b0rsuk | This is my (old) xorg.conf, now /etc/X11/xorg.conf . I attempt to adapt it for modern xorg |
| 23:11.29 | b0rsuk | Does it look okay to you ? |
| 23:12.15 | linuxuz3r | does debian need a lot of maintenance |
| 23:12.32 | trysten | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.34 | LtL | linuxuz3r: not if you fllow guidelines |
| 23:12.40 | LtL | follow |
| 23:13.01 | linuxuz3r | is gnome-shell available for debian wheezy |
| 23:13.28 | tidux | yes |
| 23:13.41 | tidux | grab the tasksel-gnome-desktop metapackage if you want everything |
| 23:14.47 | tidux | b0rsuk: try removing it entirely |
| 23:15.05 | tidux | like mv /etc/X11/Xorg.conf /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.backup |
| 23:15.10 | tidux | and then try starting X |
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| 23:22.15 | daedhel | Hi, i have a Thinkpad t420i, I use Sid, with Liquorix Kernel. I added this "pcie_aspm=force i915.i915_enable_rc6=1 i915.i915_enable_fbc=1 i915.lvds_downclock=1" to my kernel command in grub, but my battery still lasts less then half the time it lasts in windows. Waht can be the problem? |
| 23:23.40 | b0rsuk | failed to load nvidia kernel module :( |
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| 23:24.16 | b0rsuk | Can anyone help me to use nouveau driver for my 8800 GTS ? I need some temporary workaround. |
| 23:24.41 | b0rsuk | Console sucks for browsing webpages for solutions. |
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| 23:28.05 | Diopter | daedhel: There seems to be some pretty serious power regressions in Debian's versions of very new kernels |
| 23:28.26 | Diopter | daedhel: I had the same issue on my thinkpad and MBP |
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| 23:28.34 | daedhel | Diopter: "pretty serious" is the word |
| 23:28.54 | Diopter | daedhel: You might try removing the pcie_aspm=force line and seeing if the more recent ASPM code does a better job now. |
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| 23:29.25 | daedhel | Diopter: will try, thanks. Are the dev working on this issue? |
| 23:29.28 | ej | Hey guys, could some one assist troubleshooting black screen on startup??? |
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| 23:31.03 | Diopter | daedhel: Don't know. Just know that I had the same issue :P |
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| 23:33.33 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 23:33.47 | lenswipe | for some reason fullscreen flash videos are shifted right for me |
| 23:33.55 | lenswipe | like they shift right and half of them is missing |
| 23:33.56 | Diopter | daedhel: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0OTg |
| 23:34.11 | lenswipe | i should point out i have xinerama |
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| 23:34.17 | lenswipe | but it has worked with xinerama before |
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| 23:34.26 | lenswipe | its just recently started doing that |
| 23:35.02 | aBound | Does anybody in here use Debian with their printer? Just curious on how well it supports printers. |
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| 23:35.47 | daedhel | Diopter: thanks |
| 23:36.04 | Diopter | aBound: As well as any other system, by and large. Printer drivers aren't really debian-specific, per se. |
| 23:36.59 | aBound | Figures, it's dependent on the kernel right? |
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| 23:37.34 | Diopter | daedhel: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1MTI <- followup |
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| 23:38.39 | Diopter | aBound: Eh, not in this particular case. Moreso libs and text files designed for cups |
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| 23:40.34 | aBound | Just checking seeing as in the near future if I ever use Debian one day who knows if a particular printer might be supported. Thanks for the answer though Diopter. |
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| 23:45.30 | saf1 | hi guys , I want to know howto change the welcome msg in SystemD ?? |
| 23:46.11 | lenswipe | aBound, i use it with a network printer |
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| 23:46.55 | lenswipe | aBound, Laserjet 3300MFP - Had to download the driver myself from a linux drivers website (google is your friend here) but it was quite simple to install and im using it with a JetDirect 300x print server which didnt need any drivers at all - w00t |
| 23:46.59 | saf1 | any ideas !! |
| 23:49.21 | aBound | lenswipe, I know what you mean I'm on ubuntu did the same thing with my lexmark printer. But figured Ubuntu uses a newer kernel and newer packages didn't think Debian would work to well but that's just my guess. |
| 23:49.45 | lenswipe | my setup works pretty well :) |
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| 23:50.40 | aBound | As long as the printer and scanner work I should be happy enough. |
| 23:50.58 | aBound | :) |
| 23:51.18 | aBound | But thanks again for the information. :P |
| 23:51.34 | aBound | I'm off to wonderland have a nice day y'all. |
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| 23:56.43 | linuxuz3r | hi |
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