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| 00:06.14 | sdz | How can I specify the monitor for initial kernel output, framebuffer, console, etc? (fyi: X works fine) |
| 00:06.54 | linuxuz3r | where is the gnome desktop iso image for debian |
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| 00:22.31 | krababbel | Anyone knows an nfs tutorial for Debian? I can access the files, but everything is owned by 'nobody'. |
| 00:23.04 | LtL | linuxuz3r: http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 00:24.01 | kaizoku | So, the dpkg-divert man page says care should be taken when diverting shared libraries. I have taken care, but it still does not seem to be working. I run ldconfig from postinst after diverting a library, but something in the chain resets it afterwards |
| 00:24.26 | krababbel | What do I have to do to have the files on my nfs server to be owned by the user on the client? |
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| 00:49.29 | krababbel | What is a good idmapd.conf so my nfs files are owned by an existing user instead of 'nobodoy:nogroup'? |
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| 01:28.32 | bfig | hello, i'm having trouble getting started. whenever i run the emulator i get the following error: wrong ELFCLASS64 (libGL.so) <- i'm on 64 bit wheezy |
| 01:28.36 | bfig | i use fglrx |
| 01:29.13 | linuxuz3r | what emulator? |
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| 01:33.21 | Gokee2 | Hello everyone, I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy and now when I move my mouse to the bottom of my higher resolution monitor to my 2nd monitor it will not move. If I move it up a ways then over it pops over to the bottom of the other monitor. I am pretty sure it use to scale so it would move to about the same point up on the screen rather then try and do a pixel for pixel move across screens. I am using proprietary nvidia drivers. Anyone ha |
| 01:33.27 | Gokee2 | ppen to know where this change came from and a way to go back to the old behavior? |
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| 01:44.15 | ridor | hi |
| 01:44.18 | ridor | what is the best |
| 01:44.25 | ridor | debian 32 or 64bits |
| 01:44.27 | ridor | ? |
| 01:44.54 | dvs | it depends |
| 01:45.01 | Gokee2 | ridor, Depends, 64 bits will take full advantage of your CPU provided you have a 64 bit CPU |
| 01:45.32 | dvs | if you have more than 4GB of RAM then definitely 64-bit |
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| 01:45.56 | ridor | if i choose to install a 64 bits, the program in 32 bits works ? |
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| 01:46.28 | TriJetScud | ridor: yes |
| 01:46.33 | Gokee2 | ridor, If you install the 32 bit libs |
| 01:46.36 | TriJetScud | it will provided you have the 32-bit libs |
| 01:46.54 | TriJetScud | x86_64 cpu's have something called compatiblity mode too |
| 01:47.32 | LtL | ridor: type lscpu that'll tell you a few things |
| 01:47.49 | ridor | with mode compatibily i dont' nedd 32bits libs ? |
| 01:48.02 | ridor | need* |
| 01:48.14 | scientes_ | ridor, you need 32-bit libs to run in 32-bit compat mode |
| 01:48.15 | LtL | ridor: yeah i think so but not a big deal |
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| 01:48.43 | scientes_ | but thats only for shitty non-free software |
| 01:49.28 | NetEcho | how is the deb installer with auto detecting Win7 for a multi-boot? |
| 01:49.51 | Gokee2 | NetEcho, It worked for my Work laptop |
| 01:49.57 | NetEcho | good |
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| 01:50.40 | NetEcho | next question I'm doing a net install but this rig only has wifi via a D-Link DWA-125 USB adapter , think this will cause any issues? |
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| 01:53.52 | NetEcho | ah screw it I'll just give it hell and hope it works lol |
| 01:53.58 | LtL | NetEcho: yes it likely will, first you may need firmware, second last i heard the installer will only support WEP |
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| 01:54.10 | NetEcho | Wep only? :( |
| 01:54.26 | NetEcho | ok I guess net install is going to be out of the question |
| 01:54.27 | LtL | NetEcho: yup, i would install on a wire |
| 01:54.41 | NetEcho | LtL no access to a wire |
| 01:55.15 | LtL | NetEcho: if you use the dvd iso it may have everything you need.. hopefully. |
| 01:55.44 | NetEcho | now which DVD iso do I need I see 8 of them + 2 update isos |
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| 01:56.13 | LtL | NetEcho: 1st one should suffice, 1st cd does the trick on a wire |
| 01:56.38 | acu | hey guys - is there a creative commons option without the need of attribution ? |
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| 01:56.43 | LtL | NetEcho: grab the number one dvd and you should be good |
| 01:56.51 | NetEcho | ok |
| 01:57.30 | NetEcho | now I hear nvidia drivers for the GTX 560 Ti are not the greatest |
| 01:58.27 | LtL | NetEcho: thats debateable but most claim nvidia kinda sucks. |
| 01:59.18 | LtL | NetEcho: if you get it working its usually ok, but will often break after upgrades but just re-install the binary does the trick. |
| 01:59.28 | NetEcho | ah ok |
| 01:59.48 | cretsiah | i'd love to see the debian net-installer upgraded with wpa2 capability 2 reasons 1)i only get what i put on the system 2)i keep breaking ubuntu (or is it ubuntu keeps breaking my computer?) |
| 01:59.50 | NetEcho | I don't intend to do any gaming so as long as it works for everything else nicely I'm happy |
| 02:00.00 | LtL | NetEcho: decide after you load everything up. |
| 02:00.28 | NetEcho | yea worst case scenario I spend a few head banging hours in here getting it fixed again |
| 02:00.57 | NetEcho | my laptop has an old ATI that requires backport drivers, took about 13 hours before someone suggested that |
| 02:02.08 | NegativeK | acu: It appears that all of the current CC licenses require attribution. |
| 02:02.10 | NetEcho | now it works great on deb :D |
| 02:02.10 | LtL | NetEcho: newer kernels are often needed also. it just depends on your hardware. you should'nt have any problems. |
| 02:02.21 | NetEcho | LtL yea its running 3.2 |
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| 02:03.40 | NegativeK | acu: It looks like some of the older, retired CC licenses has the option to not require attribution, but I don't know much about their status. |
| 02:03.41 | NetEcho | heh looks like a couple months ago BPO was needed for my card |
| 02:04.20 | NetEcho | not sure about now |
| 02:05.02 | acu | NegativeK, thanks, indeed I found also some older no attribution options, I am still puzzled, why there is not a choice for no attribution - do you know any chat room with people experts in this field ? |
| 02:05.46 | NegativeK | acu: I don't know of any chat rooms, unfortunately.. In their FAQ, they list attribution as a moral right -- so it might be a fundamental belief of the CC foundation. |
| 02:05.52 | NegativeK | acu: Just guessing on that last part, though. |
| 02:06.15 | NetEcho | guess I should prepare to use BPO |
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| 02:06.33 | linuxuz3r | hi |
| 02:06.47 | linuxuz3r | how do i install oracle jdk |
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| 02:06.53 | kn1000 | Truth be told I'm running raspbian but it's like debian lulz - Quick question, how can I set it to autologin to the console? |
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| 02:07.15 | NegativeK | acu: Are you looking to retain non-commercial or share-alike requirements with a CC license that doesn't have attribution? |
| 02:07.33 | NegativeK | acu: There's always the option of simply releasing the work into the public domain.. |
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| 02:09.05 | gamaral | Hi guys! I have a *maybe* debian related question, the problem is happening in _raspbian_ so I'm not sure if it may be caused by their kernel or whatever. Anyway, the problem I have is that when I connect and disconnect a joystick or keyboard, the event device doesn't get deleted, it just stays there as a ghost, I'm guessing that might be a udev setting. |
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| 02:10.42 | gamaral | it works fine in my other test machines running gentoo and arch respectively, dunno why it doesn't on raspbian, I was wondering if that's something todo with the way debian does things |
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| 02:14.04 | acu | NegativeK: no, I do not want to retain any share-alike or non-commercial - however I feel that public domain is too free ? :) |
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| 02:20.42 | netecho | god debian installs quickly on my pc lol |
| 02:25.36 | gnarface | netecho: you were expecting perhaps "28 microsoft minutes" ? |
| 02:25.44 | gnarface | (aka 3 hours) |
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| 02:27.00 | peterrooney | I would love microsoft to be in charge of tracking my hours at work |
| 02:27.20 | netecho | gnarface: no just in comparison to this laptop lol |
| 02:27.36 | netecho | hah 28 MS minutes |
| 02:28.07 | bfig | hello, i'm having trouble getting started. whenever i run the emulator i get the following error: wrong ELFCLASS64 (libGL.so) <- i'm on 64 bit wheezy |
| 02:28.08 | bfig | i use fglrx |
| 02:28.46 | gnarface | bfig: proprietary xorg drivers currently broken due to multiarch transition i think, but i was told that the fglrx drivers can be massaged to work |
| 02:29.08 | gnarface | bfig: you may want to ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (the channel for wheezy/sid-specific issues) |
| 02:29.42 | bfig | gnarface, ok, thanks for the pointers, i'll try |
| 02:30.06 | netecho | I wonder what will happen when they run out of toy story names for debian :P |
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| 02:31.06 | bfig | gnarface, getting started with android development. i dont' know if that was evident without context, i just copypasted from #android-dev |
| 02:31.20 | bfig | opengl works fine for most purposes, it's only failing on the android sdk |
| 02:31.29 | bfig | s/sdk/emulator |
| 02:31.47 | TriJetScud | netecho: that's why it's called estimated time remaining |
| 02:31.52 | TriJetScud | it was never 28 minutes btw |
| 02:32.19 | netecho | TriJetScud: I think I've seen 28 minutes on a XP cd once after removing almost everything from the cd and installing in a virtual machine lol |
| 02:32.38 | TriJetScud | heh |
| 02:32.48 | TriJetScud | I've seen 28 minutes in a Windows 7 install before |
| 02:32.50 | TriJetScud | lol |
| 02:32.52 | netecho | but I even had to remove some stuff that made it usable |
| 02:32.56 | netecho | really? |
| 02:32.58 | TriJetScud | yeah |
| 02:33.03 | netecho | amazing |
| 02:33.08 | TriJetScud | according to MDT's elasped time |
| 02:33.25 | TriJetScud | windows xp in 5 minutes is also possible |
| 02:33.36 | TriJetScud | but ONLY if you're using tools like MDT to do the dirty job |
| 02:33.41 | netecho | I think I shall go for a smoke and possibly a quick shower to wake up while this install :D |
| 02:33.49 | TriJetScud | i.e. image install, netecho |
| 02:34.05 | TriJetScud | but an image install isn't all that scalable tbh |
| 02:34.17 | TriJetScud | for the XP era |
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| 02:43.48 | linuxuz3r | so long to configure debian wheezy |
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| 02:46.35 | MachinaeWolf | Is Sid rolling or was I thinking of something else? |
| 02:47.31 | jagginess | MachinaeWolf, sid is a toy story character. |
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| 02:47.50 | MachinaeWolf | Um that's not what I meant |
| 02:47.50 | jagginess | pulls out the toy story dvd |
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| 02:48.07 | MachinaeWolf | lol |
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| 02:51.00 | sney | MachinaeWolf: sid is the closest thing debian has to a rolling release |
| 02:51.10 | MachinaeWolf | ah ok |
| 02:51.44 | sney | if you want to use it, you should read the http://deb.li/sidfaq |
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| 02:52.34 | MachinaeWolf | will do |
| 02:55.54 | linuxuz3r | ok |
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| 02:56.15 | linuxuz3r | now how do i start gnome-shell |
| 02:57.26 | sney | a) make sure it's installed b) startx |
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| 02:57.47 | gamaral | I'll try the forum :) with any luck I can get an answer |
| 02:57.52 | gamaral | found a way around it though |
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| 02:57.55 | gamaral | but it's not ideal |
| 02:58.33 | sney | gamaral: yeah, this is not the raspbian support channel |
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| 02:58.48 | gamaral | sney: hehe well it was a debian question :) |
| 02:59.18 | sney | gamaral: don't make me bust out the "based on debian" rules |
| 02:59.45 | sney | this channel's factoid bot has all kinds of rude things to say if you insist on trying to get support for a derivative |
| 02:59.49 | netecho | I have a problem, I installed Grub but somehow no matter which HDD I choose to boot it doesn't even see grub it just loads windows |
| 03:00.11 | gamaral | i know, i know :P it's just way more likely to get a knowledgeable answer from a debian peep than a derivative peep |
| 03:00.16 | gamaral | sney: agreed? |
| 03:00.21 | sney | yes, but |
| 03:00.23 | sney | !they don't know |
| 03:00.23 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 03:00.30 | sney | see the last bit there |
| 03:00.32 | netecho | actually I think I fiured it out |
| 03:00.39 | netecho | +g |
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| 03:01.26 | sney | netecho: yeah, installing to the mbr is your best bet, especially since windows doesn't use the mbr so you can safely mess with it even on a windows drive |
| 03:01.29 | gamaral | sney: anyway, I still love debian, nothing against it :) i just needed a quick answer. forums are such a boore |
| 03:01.49 | sney | raspbian also has an irc channel -> #raspbian |
| 03:01.53 | netecho | sney: yea it's on the MBR of my 2TB, just wasn't booting right |
| 03:02.17 | sney | gamaral: and your question would boil down to the kernel or udev, either of which they could easily have modified... so best to get it straight from the source |
| 03:02.44 | cretsiah | has never had a problem with grub and debian installing into mbr |
| 03:02.51 | linuxuz3r | how do i enable right click in gnome-shell |
| 03:03.02 | netecho | cretsiah: Windows is on a different drive |
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| 03:04.26 | netecho | ok next issue, now that debian is installed I have no gnome network manager and no way to connect to my wireless |
| 03:04.33 | gamaral | sney: yep, asking the source now. but I would like to point out it I came in to ask if *debian* did that also, not really raspbian. "...blablabla... I was wondering if that's something todo with the way debian does things" |
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| 03:05.55 | netecho | so essentially I'm stuck with a linux box that can't do anything but sit there and look pretty until I can get wifi capability |
| 03:06.01 | gamaral | anyhoo, debian super cow power and all that good stuff. time for some tacos and beer. ;) |
| 03:06.44 | sney | netecho: what's the output of lspci -nn |grep -i net |
| 03:06.46 | netecho | almost all of the gnome apps that usually get installed are missing |
| 03:07.12 | netecho | sney: just sees my wired nic |
| 03:07.15 | sney | if you did an offline install then the apps you're looking for were probably not in that disk |
| 03:07.19 | netecho | but I don't have access to wired |
| 03:07.31 | sney | what kind of wifi interface do you have then? usb or something? |
| 03:07.32 | netecho | see and I was told Disk 1 would be sufficient |
| 03:07.42 | netecho | sney: Dlink DWA-125 USB adapter |
| 03:07.52 | sney | it is sufficient for a base install, but gnome has gotten too big for its britches |
| 03:08.14 | netecho | sney: please tell me after we get network working theres an easy way to update it to the equivalent of a net install? |
| 03:08.41 | sney | netecho: of course |
| 03:08.46 | netecho | :D |
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| 03:09.27 | netecho | so I assume I'm going to require a USB stick right? |
| 03:09.54 | LtL | netecho: i said dvd 1 may be enough, not cd1 |
| 03:10.08 | netecho | oops lol |
| 03:10.14 | sney | netecho: yeah, you need the firmware files for your nic. it's the package 'firmware-ralink' which you can get from packages.debian.org |
| 03:10.27 | jagginess | netecho, the time spent on downloading an iso, you could of spent downloading just the packages you need to upgrade. |
| 03:10.36 | netecho | sney: do you have a direct url I can wget? |
| 03:10.45 | netecho | jagginess: I was in WINDOWS |
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| 03:10.55 | netecho | can't upgrade that piece of crap lol |
| 03:11.11 | jagginess | "to update it" |
| 03:11.14 | sney | netecho: debian squeeze / 6? |
| 03:11.17 | jagginess | don't use the word "it" punk |
| 03:11.23 | sney | amd64 or i386 |
| 03:11.46 | netecho | jagginess: I have no network connection outside of windows so how do I download the packages |
| 03:11.52 | netecho | sney: i386 |
| 03:12.05 | jagginess | netecho, parse error, i don't know the full story |
| 03:12.10 | jagginess | :/ |
| 03:12.11 | sney | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-ralink_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 03:12.17 | netecho | its ok jagginess you do now |
| 03:12.20 | netecho | thanks sney |
| 03:12.23 | jagginess | ? |
| 03:12.30 | sney | np |
| 03:12.39 | netecho | jagginess: my desktop is limited to wifi on wpa2 |
| 03:12.47 | netecho | so a net install was out of the question |
| 03:13.03 | sney | the netinstall for wheezy+ actually has wpa support |
| 03:13.08 | linuxuz3r | my network settings says unmanaged |
| 03:13.15 | linuxuz3r | how do i make it managed |
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| 03:13.18 | gnarface | so, does anyone happen to know where i can get other midi inturment packages like this one ? http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/timidity/timidity.tar.gz |
| 03:13.22 | linuxuz3r | connected to wired1 |
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| 03:13.49 | netecho | sney: brb gonna go USB drive hunting lol |
| 03:14.01 | jagginess | netecho, you mean you have no internet connection at all on your desktop. |
| 03:14.04 | brah | I uninstalled vlc recently, now no matter what I do apt wants to install it again. |
| 03:14.18 | netecho | jagginess: without the dlink drivers nope |
| 03:14.23 | jagginess | "my desktop is limited to wifi on wpa2" < awfully the wrong meaning sent here. |
| 03:14.23 | sney | linuxuz3r: remove or comment out the configuration for your NIC in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:14.54 | netecho | jagginess: I use wireless to get internet connection on that machine because I do not have access to ethernet |
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| 03:15.05 | jagginess | netecho, can you just speak more clearly? i don't want to be rude but you're sounding unclear.. |
| 03:15.17 | sney | jagginess: forget about it, the problem has been resolved |
| 03:15.19 | netecho | jagginess: I'm unsure of how to make that any more clear |
| 03:15.29 | netecho | brb |
| 03:15.32 | jagginess | the previous 2x quote made more sense. |
| 03:16.04 | jagginess | nways.. be sure to explain whatever problem it is more clearly.. i'm a little surprised you have wifi and not wired working. |
| 03:16.14 | sney | jagginess: forget about it, the problem has been resolved |
| 03:16.25 | jagginess | eh.. i doubt it |
| 03:16.39 | sney | and not everyone has a convenient rj45 jack in every room |
| 03:17.02 | jagginess | i dont use an rj45 jack. I use my head. |
| 03:17.11 | linuxuz3r | sney |
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| 03:17.40 | sney | that's me |
| 03:17.44 | linuxuz3r | sney what line do i need to comment out |
| 03:18.13 | sney | the ones that refer to your wired interface. if you want to use network-manager for all of your networking needs, you can comment all of them |
| 03:18.28 | jagginess | gnarface, I always use "List of software <type> site:wikipedia.org" with da google |
| 03:21.36 | brah | http://pastebin.com/DW4ApjqV |
| 03:22.21 | brah | I have no idea what it's doing. |
| 03:22.33 | linuxuz3r | my ubuntu does not restart properly |
| 03:22.39 | linuxuz3r | why is this |
| 03:22.54 | linuxuz3r | it always say starting new kernel |
| 03:24.32 | kn1000 | is it possible to run something as a different user other than root in rc.local? |
| 03:25.21 | cthuluh | kn1000: sure, use su, sudo, whatever |
| 03:25.39 | cthuluh | kn1000: you may be interested in runit/daemontools, also |
| 03:26.00 | kn1000 | Cthuluh, I want it to run as user pi, rather than root |
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| 03:26.33 | cthuluh | sure, use su - pi -c '/bla/bla &' |
| 03:26.39 | kn1000 | so if I do su pi -c /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin it should worl? |
| 03:26.59 | cthuluh | if /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin backgrounds itself, yes |
| 03:27.10 | cthuluh | else, your boot process could hang |
| 03:27.15 | linuxuz3r | my ubuntu does not restart properly |
| 03:27.17 | linuxuz3r | it always say starting new kernel |
| 03:27.36 | cthuluh | linuxuz3r: this is #debian. please /join #ubuntu |
| 03:27.55 | linuxuz3r | my debian does not restart properly |
| 03:28.02 | peterrooney | linuxuz3r: too late. |
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| 03:28.21 | linuxuz3r | it should be debian |
| 03:29.21 | cthuluh | then just install it :P |
| 03:29.39 | linuxuz3r | install what |
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| 03:30.08 | dizzylizzy | Install Debian instead of Ubuntu is what was meant, linuxuz3r |
| 03:31.01 | cthuluh | actually, what I meant first was that #ubuntu should help you better than we could. but *shrug* |
| 03:31.11 | cretsiah | has broken ubuntu several times (dont know how) but havent broken debian yet |
| 03:31.25 | cthuluh | sounds like a common pattern |
| 03:32.17 | linuxuz3r | my debian does not restart properly i installed from debian live when i restart it says at the end Starting new kernel and does nothing afterwards |
| 03:32.41 | netecho | jagginess: I appologize if I'm unclear at times still waking up + a lack of understanding in some areas can make me a tad ignorant at times |
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| 03:34.49 | gnarface | jagginess: thanks that's a neat tip |
| 03:35.43 | netecho | how do I install a deb I already have? I tried aptitude install linkto.deb but it still seems to want to go online |
| 03:36.17 | cthuluh | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 03:36.18 | dpkg | package foo.deb is already installed |
| 03:36.22 | linuxuz3r | my debian does not restart properly i installed from debian live when i restart it says at the end Starting new kernel and does nothing afterwards |
| 03:36.26 | cthuluh | dpkg: thanks |
| 03:36.26 | dpkg | de rien, cthuluh |
| 03:36.31 | cthuluh | :) |
| 03:37.08 | netecho | cthuluh: thank you |
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| 03:37.31 | netecho | sney: I have installed the firmware what next? |
| 03:39.21 | netecho | I suppose I need gnome network manager or something? |
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| 03:40.43 | cthuluh | netecho: are you talking about a wireless nic firmware? |
| 03:41.14 | simonlnu | linuxuz3r: might want to ask #debian-live on oftc network |
| 03:41.39 | netecho | cthuluh: yea I ended up doing a CD1 install without network so I have a very minimal install going with almost no tools, I need to get wireless up and running then somehow get everything else installed that the net-installer would do. are you able to assist? |
| 03:42.22 | simonlnu | iwconfig, wicd, ... |
| 03:42.41 | netecho | iwconfig not found |
| 03:42.54 | netecho | as I said minimal install |
| 03:43.05 | cthuluh | without even wireless-tools? |
| 03:43.14 | netecho | cthuluh: it looks that way |
| 03:43.21 | cthuluh | sounds fishy |
| 03:43.39 | cthuluh | iwconfig not found... as root? |
| 03:43.40 | netecho | I'm assuming I should have done DVD1 install? |
| 03:43.44 | netecho | cthuluh: yup |
| 03:43.57 | cthuluh | did you install using CD1? |
| 03:44.00 | netecho | yea |
| 03:44.19 | cthuluh | there are wireless-tools on CD1 and netinstall isos |
| 03:44.39 | cthuluh | as I *think* there's wpasupplicant on the CD1 too |
| 03:44.44 | netecho | even the gnome network manager is mising |
| 03:44.50 | cthuluh | but I'm not sure about the latter |
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| 03:44.59 | barhom | I have two machines, that as far as I know are not requesting any multicast traffic, however once I start the multicast 'sending' application on the "Multicast server" I see traffic directly on these two machines jump up to the total 50mbit unwanted traffic |
| 03:45.07 | barhom | I thought multicast would work in such a way that once a machine wants the traffic it would instruct the switch to send it, instead of receiving it all directly |
| 03:45.49 | jagginess | barhom, sounds like you're connecting a nice loopy loop with STP |
| 03:45.50 | cthuluh | netecho: ah, well, just use apt-cdrom to add the CD to your package list, and install wireless-tools, wpasupplicant and possibly network-manager |
| 03:46.02 | netecho | cthuluh: apt-cdrom? |
| 03:46.15 | barhom | jagginess: I only have the one switch atm |
| 03:46.16 | cthuluh | netecho: yes |
| 03:46.24 | netecho | cthuluh: I'm unfamiliar with this |
| 03:46.48 | cthuluh | netecho: just take a look at the manpage, it's not that complicated |
| 03:46.57 | netecho | which manpage? |
| 03:46.58 | linuxuz3r | my debian does not restart properly i installed from debian live when i restart it says at the end Starting new kernel and does nothing afterwards |
| 03:47.05 | netecho | nm |
| 03:47.07 | netecho | ound it |
| 03:47.08 | netecho | thanks |
| 03:47.21 | netecho | Oops sorry for the multiple enters :( |
| 03:48.30 | cthuluh | linuxuz3r: have you, "by chance", used something like unetbootin to get a live debian system? |
| 03:48.45 | netecho | you know what maybe to try and make my life easier I'll go hunting around the house for a way to wire in and do a proper net install |
| 03:49.01 | cthuluh | netecho: sounds like a good plan :) |
| 03:49.12 | lkthomas | hey guys, how could I run command when sftp user login ? |
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| 03:49.17 | netecho | why oh why did I buy a full sized steal case lol |
| 03:49.20 | netecho | these buggers are heavy |
| 03:49.25 | cthuluh | lkthomas: which command? |
| 03:49.31 | cthuluh | (and why?) |
| 03:49.54 | linuxuz3r | cthuluh, no |
| 03:49.56 | lkthomas | what I am trying to do is that when sftp user login, mount a drive for that user |
| 03:50.10 | lkthomas | seems .bash* does not read by internal-sftp |
| 03:50.10 | linuxuz3r | cthuluh, i dont think so i just installed from the live cd |
| 03:50.45 | cthuluh | linuxuz3r: ok. have you checked that you have installer grub on the correct disk? |
| 03:50.57 | cthuluh | ubuntu gets it wrong, sometimes ;) |
| 03:51.12 | linuxuz3r | grub is on the correct disk |
| 03:51.20 | linuxuz3r | i only i have 1 disk |
| 03:51.49 | gnarface | netecho: RF shielding :-P |
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| 03:52.32 | vitalius | is it possible to reset ALL file permissions to default on / ? |
| 03:52.49 | vitalius | i accidently did 'sudo chmod -R name.name ./*' while being at / |
| 03:53.03 | jagginess | vitalius, well that was stupid |
| 03:53.14 | vitalius | that's Cpt Obvious |
| 03:53.22 | vitalius | i assume |
| 03:53.55 | jagginess | good luck fixing that heahaha |
| 03:53.58 | jagginess | !hahah |
| 03:54.09 | jagginess | haha?! |
| 03:54.17 | jagginess | why isnt dpkg laughing with me :( |
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| 03:57.00 | linuxuz3r | !firefox |
| 03:57.00 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian, ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. For actual Mozilla Firefox® support, try #firefox on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 03:58.40 | linuxuz3r | !restart |
| 03:58.40 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 03:58.57 | linuxuz3r | !reboot |
| 03:58.57 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 03:59.23 | Cyberkaia | anyone whit i5 and nvidia gt520mx ? |
| 03:59.49 | peterrooney | linuxuz3r: please, play with the bot privately |
| 03:59.55 | Cyberkaia | when i create the xorg.conf file the server don't start |
| 04:00.25 | netecho | weekend project: grab the cabling supplies at work and run a bloody network cable accross the house lol |
| 04:00.37 | peterrooney | vitalius: That's hard. apt-get --reinstall install * wouldn't cover the base installation... |
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| 04:01.03 | linuxuz3r | hi |
| 04:01.06 | lkthomas | guys, is it possible to tell rsync skip sync when dir is empty ? |
| 04:01.17 | linuxuz3r | is there a debian app store? |
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| 04:02.19 | Thuryn | ugh. i'm running a REALLY old Debian release and would like to upgrade - or at least *update* - this thing |
| 04:02.20 | peterrooney | lkthomas: --prune-empty-dirs?? |
| 04:02.28 | Thuryn | it's so old, it has a 2.4.xx kernel on it |
| 04:02.31 | peterrooney | lkthomas: probably not. |
| 04:02.37 | Thuryn | debian 3.1 |
| 04:03.08 | Thuryn | went to do 'apt-get update' and got this: E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 04:03.23 | Thuryn | am i going to just have to rebuild this box, or is there another way out? |
| 04:04.46 | ny0x | try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:04.51 | peterrooney | Thuryn: you may be in uncharted territory. Safer to just to backup and clone, and install 6.0.5 - and be aware that probably a lot of packages have changed availability |
| 04:05.18 | vitalius | ok, i found a way to scrape permissions, using shell script on a fresh installed debian in virtualbox |
| 04:05.22 | Thuryn | dist-upgrade does the same thing |
| 04:05.36 | Thuryn | peterrooney, the latest is **6**? |
| 04:05.41 | peterrooney | Thuryn: aptitude is clever, but I don't know if it would be clever enough to skip over two full releases |
| 04:05.44 | Thuryn | yeah, i think i'll just rebuild it |
| 04:06.08 | Thuryn | fortunately, this machine's main purpose is to be a file server for the house |
| 04:06.24 | Thuryn | and I just got a slew of external 1.5+ TB WD USB drives |
| 04:06.24 | peterrooney | Thuryn: try it, if you make a backup and clone - it might make for an epic writeup for the debian project newsletter. |
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| 04:06.30 | Thuryn | haha |
| 04:06.54 | Thuryn | "how i dragged my Debian 3 box kicking and screaming into the present" |
| 04:07.03 | peterrooney | "debian is so awesome it can counteract skipping a decade of security updates." |
| 04:07.08 | Thuryn | haha |
| 04:07.11 | Thuryn | hm... |
| 04:07.47 | Thuryn | if i were to try it, wouldn't I need to download images for the interim versions and dist-upgrade from CD/DVD a couple of times? |
| 04:08.01 | peterrooney | But my money is on there being serious glitches that will bring you back to #debian, and now I wonder if there is a #debian-last channel. |
| 04:08.27 | jagginess | peterrooney, oh ya, you're the dude still using ext2 :p |
| 04:08.39 | Thuryn | it's not a full decade.... |
| 04:08.44 | peterrooney | jagginess: lol |
| 04:08.48 | Thuryn | /vmlinux is dated 2006. ;) |
| 04:09.03 | Thuryn | hey, ext2 is fast |
| 04:09.12 | Thuryn | none of that journaling overhead nonsense. |
| 04:09.15 | jagginess | i got my tags mixed heheh |
| 04:09.17 | Thuryn | ducks |
| 04:09.24 | jagginess | Thuryn! |
| 04:09.26 | peterrooney | woody was released 2002 |
| 04:09.34 | netecho | whats the difference between linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.32-5-686? |
| 04:09.50 | Thuryn | well, i did keep it patched at one time, so it's not like this box has gone without updates since 2002. |
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| 04:10.10 | Thuryn | but that kernel date is probably pretty close. that's about the time i had my first child (of three). |
| 04:10.16 | Thuryn | things have been kind of a blur since then. |
| 04:10.30 | beardy | netecho: inux-image-2.6-686 is a metapackage depending on the latest version of the 2.6 kernel for 686, namely linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 wich contains the kernel. |
| 04:10.54 | netecho | beardy: ok so I can just select 2.6-686 then? |
| 04:10.57 | Thuryn | last week i noticed that the "file server" had a *10*Mb NIC in it, which prompted me to rebuild a bunch of stuff down here. (file server got a new power supply too) |
| 04:11.05 | beardy | netecho: Yes. |
| 04:11.08 | netecho | ty |
| 04:11.45 | Thuryn | after ripping out more than half of the age-out - and partly already defunct - cables and hubs (yes, *hubs*) and other b.s., it's looking pretty good. |
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| 04:12.28 | peterrooney | Whoah. I haven't heard rumour of a hub in years. |
| 04:12.34 | Thuryn | 5-port gig switch for wired stuff, hostapd running on the router (Windbox from Logic Supply) for wireless, services all fine... Debian box at least went up to 100Mb. |
| 04:12.52 | Thuryn | the hub was from when I had two servers connected to the DSL line, which was itself a 10Mb anyway. |
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| 04:13.11 | Thuryn | (I have two static IPs from my ISP) |
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| 04:13.30 | Thuryn | when the time comes to reinstate that, I'll use a switch anyway. the hub was crap. |
| 04:13.56 | Thuryn | it was fine when the DSL was 3Mb, but at 10, i saw a lot more collisions. that's just stupid nowadays. |
| 04:13.58 | jagginess | hubs are always crap.. standard for them is half-duplex |
| 04:14.22 | Thuryn | hubs - meaning repeaters - are all half-duplex. if it's full duplex, it ain't a repeater. |
| 04:14.45 | Thuryn | and we've had gigabit ethernet since.... 1998? |
| 04:15.00 | Thuryn | so, yeah, hub is now in the pile of "retired" gear behind me |
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| 04:15.09 | Thuryn | i'll probably keep it for emergencies |
| 04:15.11 | ectospasm | does anyone use debmirror? I'm trying to sync my mirror with ftp.us.debian.org, and it always exits before downloading a complete list. Says it "Failed to download files (6 errors)!". The missing files seem to be afio related... |
| 04:15.36 | jagginess | Thuryn, i just use a crosswire for emergencies :) |
| 04:15.43 | ectospasm | this has been going on for over a week, and I don't know what changed (since I run debmirror in a cron job) |
| 04:15.46 | jagginess | 169.254.x.x always wins my heart |
| 04:15.54 | Thuryn | jagginess, auto-xover doesn't work? |
| 04:16.03 | linuxuz3r | !flash |
| 04:16.03 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> and <lightspark> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 04:16.42 | Thuryn | i guess if hubs are an option, auto-negotiation probably isn't working either, eh? |
| 04:16.42 | jagginess | seems not to, wouldnt' wanna worry about it.. (btw they do sell cross-over tip rj45 plugs, got about a few of them for this purpose0 |
| 04:16.50 | Thuryn | nice |
| 04:17.05 | Thuryn | i have two crossover cables where I can get at them still, if necessary |
| 04:17.14 | Thuryn | haven't needed them in a long time, though |
| 04:17.44 | linuxuz3r | how do i install flash |
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| 04:18.04 | jagginess | linuxuz3r, look what dpkg said (above) |
| 04:18.16 | jagginess | lol you called it out too |
| 04:19.13 | jagginess | linuxuz3r, either mozilla will do something about pepperapi or you'll have to go chrome :) |
| 04:21.20 | jagginess | Thuryn, seriously if you want to use a webbrowser these days, you can't have something older than a couple years, for lan servers for small requirements like backups you can even use 486's.. |
| 04:22.41 | jagginess | linuxuz3r, dpkg is a bot btw |
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| 04:25.09 | Thuryn | this age-old Mozilla is doing okay. mostly. :P |
| 04:26.02 | Thuryn | i wonder what kinda new IDE hard drive i can get nowadays. laptop IDE drives are limited to 320GB. everything bigger is SATA |
| 04:26.50 | peterrooney | linuxuz3r: if you use instructions intended for debian on an ubuntu install, you are guaranteed problems that nobody here will be able and willing to help you fix. |
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| 04:28.23 | peterrooney | linuxuz3r: and the people in #ubuntu won't be much different. |
| 04:28.52 | simonlnu | because that's called a frankenstein ;) |
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| 04:39.12 | Thuryn | welp, i think i'm done with this box for the day. |
| 04:39.17 | Thuryn | thanks, all! :) |
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| 04:55.51 | Morteza | hi |
| 04:56.17 | Morteza | I am looking for connecting to local server from other area |
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| 04:56.26 | Morteza | but I don't know what is that command |
| 04:56.41 | helena | I'm having a problem with playing youtube vids.... |
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| 04:56.52 | helena | for some reason they make my CPU usage go up high |
| 04:56.56 | helena | and they lag |
| 04:56.57 | Morteza | I haven just local ip |
| 04:57.12 | helena | How do I fix? |
| 04:57.20 | helena | Yes I have a GPU ofc. |
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| 05:07.03 | brah | Is it possible to install some H.264 package as to be able to play youtube videos? |
| 05:07.08 | brah | using HTML5 |
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| 05:07.46 | simonlnu | helena: flash will do that... |
| 05:07.50 | simonlnu | !ssh |
| 05:07.51 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (<openssh>). Clients for other platforms include <putty> and <cygwin>. Firewalls to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your SSH server include <fail2ban> and <denyhosts>. See also <scp>, <sftp>, <ssh without password>, <ssh permissions>, <sshx>, <ssh linedraw>, <debug sshd>, <dropbear>, <ssh-copy-id>, <ssh verify key>. |
| 05:07.57 | simonlnu | Morteza: ^^^ |
| 05:08.11 | helena | simonlnu: But when it does it my vids lag. |
| 05:08.16 | helena | It's really annoying me. |
| 05:08.21 | helena | as I love youtube |
| 05:08.23 | simonlnu | brah: try another browser? firefox won't support h264 |
| 05:08.23 | helena | don't you? |
| 05:08.30 | helena | This problem must be fixed. |
| 05:08.32 | helena | and How? |
| 05:08.41 | Morteza | simonlnu, ssh can't work! I wanna to connect from local to vpn |
| 05:08.53 | brah | simonlnu: Oh no. Thanks. |
| 05:08.55 | Morteza | or invert |
| 05:09.02 | simonlnu | so go through your vpn... |
| 05:09.38 | Morteza | simonlnu, :D |
| 05:10.55 | simonlnu | helena: flash on linux is badly supported by adobe. they're even dropping supporting it, except for security fixes. |
| 05:11.07 | helena | O_O |
| 05:11.12 | simonlnu | use html5 like brah is |
| 05:11.24 | helena | ... |
| 05:11.26 | simonlnu | or live with the 'pain' ;) |
| 05:11.50 | simonlnu | just the facts, ma'am |
| 05:11.54 | helena | simonlnu: I need flash NOT html5! |
| 05:11.59 | helena | These are flash vids. |
| 05:12.33 | brah | And here I am, trying to uninstall Flash. |
| 05:12.45 | helena | brah: Whyy? |
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| 05:13.20 | brah | Because I don't need it. |
| 05:13.55 | simonlnu | indeed the irony |
| 05:14.12 | helena | simonlnu: I feel dizzzy :( |
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| 05:14.20 | helena | WTF?! |
| 05:14.26 | helena | What just happened? |
| 05:14.37 | brah | You /hop'ed |
| 05:14.44 | simonlnu | all we saw is that you left and re-joined |
| 05:15.07 | helena | brah: What is /hop? |
| 05:15.10 | helena | executes |
| 05:15.19 | simonlnu | an irc client command |
| 05:15.20 | brah | Some clients make you part and rejoin. |
| 05:15.33 | helena | :o |
| 05:15.46 | simonlnu | !faq |
| 05:15.46 | dpkg | [faq] Frequently Asked Questions. The #debian FAQ is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC . The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ is at http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ . Ask me about <search dpkg> to search my database for FAQ links. Many other FAQ are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/FAQ . Read the FAQs! |
| 05:15.57 | simonlnu | !irc faq |
| 05:16.05 | simonlnu | hmm |
| 05:16.13 | simonlnu | i know it's in there... |
| 05:16.16 | helena | !faq irc |
| 05:16.16 | dpkg | irc: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC |
| 05:16.20 | helena | simonlnu: :3 |
| 05:16.27 | helena | one doesn't know how to use the bot |
| 05:16.30 | brah | I've been using Flashblock for a while, it seems I won't be able to uninstall Flash quite yet, as I use Firefox. |
| 05:16.33 | helena | points at simonlnu |
| 05:17.00 | simonlnu | ah, that's the one. i do know how ;). i ran an infobot for years. |
| 05:17.04 | helena | brah: Is flashblock a port of flash? |
| 05:17.06 | helena | like gnash? |
| 05:17.13 | helena | gnash iss crappy. |
| 05:17.14 | simonlnu | no |
| 05:17.14 | helena | :( |
| 05:17.19 | helena | ooooo |
| 05:17.24 | brah | Flashblock is a Firefox plugin which blocks all flash applets, and allows on a whitelist basis. |
| 05:17.32 | helena | O_O |
| 05:17.42 | netecho | NoScript is great for blocking that |
| 05:17.48 | helena | Just to let you know... |
| 05:17.50 | helena | I has kitty |
| 05:18.04 | simonlnu | uses flashblock too |
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| 05:18.37 | brah | I turned back to Gnome 3 today. |
| 05:18.50 | helena | I'm on dwm |
| 05:19.02 | simonlnu | awesome, ATM |
| 05:19.04 | helena | I also use terminator and zsh |
| 05:19.20 | helena | But I'm mostly in TTY. |
| 05:19.24 | Cyberkaia | anyone can helpme whit nvidia driver in wheezy |
| 05:19.39 | simonlnu | !ask |
| 05:19.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 05:20.03 | brah | I started using xfce when Gnome 3 was released. |
| 05:20.07 | simonlnu | better place to ask is in #debian-next on oftc network, Cyberkaia |
| 05:20.08 | netecho_ | I have a Logitech USB headset, however I can't seem to get sound to pipe through it |
| 05:20.28 | simonlnu | snd-usbaudio loaded? |
| 05:20.51 | netecho_ | simonlnu, not sure but gnome detects the headset and I can control the volume with it |
| 05:20.54 | brah | But I feel the Gnome 3 design is superior, though the implementation is not quite good yet. |
| 05:20.59 | Cyberkaia | i have a new wheezy inst, install the repo driver |
| 05:20.59 | simonlnu | (could be snd-usb-audio) |
| 05:21.14 | brah | I wish I could tile windows. Maybe I can, I'll google it. |
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| 05:21.45 | Cyberkaia | but when xorg.conf is generate the x go to black screen |
| 05:21.53 | netecho_ | simonlnu, how do I tell? |
| 05:22.11 | brah | Cyberkaia, run `nvidia-xconfig` and see what happens. |
| 05:22.24 | simonlnu | netecho_: sounds like it might be. you could be needing to load another driver, or do some minor config somewhere (i have no experience with these headset things except that friends have mentioned that a plain old headset works better and less hassle) |
| 05:22.31 | helena | http://ompldr.org/vZjU2aA |
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| 05:22.48 | mmnicolas | Cyberkaia: look up your Xorg.0.log and/or pastebin it |
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| 05:24.11 | brah | helena: 11" netbook? |
| 05:24.24 | helena | brah: idk |
| 05:24.25 | helena | lol |
| 05:25.01 | linuxuz3r | how do i add a user to a sudoer |
| 05:25.21 | SomeoneWeird | how can install a program from squeeze repo while im on wheezy? |
| 05:25.40 | helena | linuxuz3r: I find it hard to explain. |
| 05:26.00 | helena | simonlnu: In /etc/apt/sources.list... |
| 05:26.02 | Cyberkaia | SomeoneWeird, add the repo to source.list apt-get update |
| 05:26.03 | SomeoneWeird | linuxuz3r, run visudo |
| 05:26.10 | SomeoneWeird | Cyberkaia, that won't break anything? |
| 05:26.15 | helena | replace wheezy with squeeze |
| 05:26.18 | simonlnu | !sudoers.d |
| 05:26.24 | simonlnu | !sudoers. |
| 05:26.25 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". For lenny, you can use <visudo> to add 'your_username ALL=(ALL) ALL'. See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information. |
| 05:26.25 | helena | but you may break things |
| 05:26.25 | mmnicolas | linuxuz3r: add user to the sudo group |
| 05:26.28 | Cyberkaia | SomeoneWeird, no |
| 05:26.32 | simonlnu | [Ameh |
| 05:26.35 | SomeoneWeird | mmk |
| 05:26.42 | helena | I downgraded initrd that way. |
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| 05:27.16 | simonlnu | lag box... |
| 05:27.17 | SomeoneWeird | x.X |
| 05:27.22 | helena | the wheezy initrd was driving me crazy. :( |
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| 05:28.30 | mmnicolas | -_- |
| 05:28.38 | simonlnu | o_O |
| 05:28.41 | Cyberkaia | mmnicolas, http://pastebin.com/aBXV4CSs i have a I5 sandy and a nvidia gt520mx |
| 05:28.59 | helena | Who uses a debian core and builds it up in here? |
| 05:29.31 | mmnicolas | Cyberkaia: there is a huge chunk missing |
| 05:29.46 | netecho | oi |
| 05:29.47 | mmnicolas | helena: probably everyone here |
| 05:29.53 | simonlnu | !pastebinit |
| 05:29.54 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 05:30.04 | helena | mmnicolas: I refuse to believe that. |
| 05:30.14 | helena | I meant minimal install. |
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| 05:30.58 | helena | ... |
| 05:31.00 | simonlnu | a debian core? oh. pure debian, and has been for 10 years (with a coupla side-trips into ubuntu and netbsd) |
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| 05:31.13 | helena | What keeps cycling my client? |
| 05:31.18 | helena | Irssi |
| 05:31.27 | simonlnu | but this sort of talk is better done in #debian-offtopic ... |
| 05:32.08 | helena | simonlnu: It's on topic I'm asking for support! |
| 05:32.09 | helena | lol |
| 05:32.30 | Cyberkaia | mmnicolas, http://paste.debian.net/184345/ |
| 05:32.43 | simonlnu | no, the questions like "who uses blah blah" |
| 05:32.47 | mmnicolas | helena: nope, asking personal questions |
| 05:33.04 | helena | ooooo sorry lol |
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| 05:33.47 | linuxuz3r | how do i change the font size of gnome-shell topbar |
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| 05:35.22 | brah | On my desktop and laptop I don't even bother installing core and building up from there. |
| 05:35.37 | brah | I let it autoinstall everything, I want it to 'just work'. |
| 05:35.50 | mmnicolas | Cyberkaia: it's the same thing, either there is something wrong with your paste, or your X doesn't do much of a startup and yet it doesn't fail, not even trying to detect a keyboard mouse |
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| 05:36.58 | Cyberkaia | linuxuz3r, install Gnome Tweak Tool |
| 05:37.31 | Cyberkaia | mmnicolas, this is the Xorg.0.log |
| 05:37.52 | Cyberkaia | in this moment i conect whit ssh |
| 05:37.59 | Cyberkaia | the x don't start |
| 05:38.00 | Cyberkaia | :S |
| 05:38.32 | mmnicolas | the problem is that according to your log, it doesn't fail |
| 05:38.34 | netecho_ | is it possible to create a sort of symlink on my PC to a folder on my laptop? |
| 05:38.54 | simonlnu | sshfs ? |
| 05:39.16 | simonlnu | nfs? |
| 05:39.29 | simonlnu | want some other ones? :) |
| 05:39.32 | netecho_ | lol |
| 05:39.39 | netecho_ | I'll look into those first |
| 05:40.36 | mmnicolas | sshfs would be more appropriate if you intend to use it from outside your LAN |
| 05:40.42 | Cyberkaia | mmnicolas, but when i delete the xorg.conf file the x start normally |
| 05:41.10 | netecho_ | mmnicolas, nah its just for when I'm at home with access to my PC so that I don't have to keep switching back and forth |
| 05:41.26 | mmnicolas | Cyberkaia: try pasting your Xorg.0.log when it works, just to prove my point that a part of your log is missing |
| 05:41.29 | netecho_ | Cyberkaia, please use pastebin for stuff like that |
| 05:41.40 | netecho_ | err nm |
| 05:41.49 | netecho_ | darn x-chat showing stuff in active |
| 05:43.01 | mmnicolas | netecho_: cifs ? so you'll be windows-friendly, and usually easier to connect to from most devices |
| 05:43.11 | mmnicolas | cifs/samba |
| 05:43.21 | netecho_ | mmnicolas, I'm using debian on both boxes |
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| 05:44.05 | Cyberkaia | mmnicolas, http://paste.debian.net/184346/ this is the log whit x active |
| 05:44.35 | mmnicolas | netecho_: smartphones ? friends/visitors ? :P |
| 05:45.10 | netecho_ | mmnicolas, web development environment and potentially some coding projects |
| 05:45.38 | Cyberkaia | mmnicolas, i have dual graphic I5 and the gt520MX , maybe this is the problem |
| 05:46.17 | mmnicolas | Cyberkaia: probably |
| 05:46.42 | mmnicolas | I don't think there is much support for theses exotic things even in wheezy |
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| 05:47.17 | daffodi | helena: i have installed debian from netinstall cd ,maybe i can help you |
| 05:48.34 | helena | ... |
| 05:48.41 | helena | Help me sort flash out |
| 05:49.13 | netecho_ | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied mmnicolas does this mean I have to run the command as root even though I'm mapping a user owned folder? |
| 05:50.19 | netecho_ | ack even if I mount it via root I can't cd into the dir |
| 05:50.25 | Cyberkaia | mmnicolas, maybe whit bumblebee |
| 05:50.25 | mmnicolas | netecho_: set your user in the fuse group |
| 05:50.47 | mmnicolas | Cyberkaia: yea, if it's available |
| 05:51.01 | netecho_ | mmnicolas, : fuse: bad mount point `/home/netecho/www/': Permission denied |
| 05:51.32 | netecho_ | I think its because I mounted it under root |
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| 05:52.14 | mmnicolas | most likely |
| 05:52.41 | netecho_ | how do I unmount it properly? |
| 05:52.55 | netecho_ | netecho@192.168.1.4:/var/www on /home/netecho/www type fuse.sshfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,max_read=65536) |
| 05:53.10 | netecho_ | thats what I get when I do "mount" |
| 05:53.25 | mmnicolas | wow, I googled "fuse: bad mount point" and ended up on the blog of someone here in the channel, nkuttler. |
| 05:53.43 | netecho_ | lol |
| 05:53.46 | mmnicolas | http://kuttler.eu/post/sshfs-transport-endpoint-not-connecte/ |
| 05:53.50 | Gokee2 | netecho, "umount /home/netecho/www" ? |
| 05:54.07 | netecho_ | hrm |
| 05:55.15 | Gokee2 | netecho, Should also be able to use "fusermount -u /home/netecho/www" if I remember right |
| 05:55.41 | netecho_ | yea was able to unmount it but still having problems re-mounting :( |
| 05:56.02 | mmnicolas | netecho_: check if there are still sshfs processes like his post suggested |
| 05:56.25 | netecho_ | can't see any running |
| 05:56.58 | Gokee2 | And you are in the fuse group? |
| 05:57.09 | mmnicolas | netecho_: still Permission denied ? added your user to the fuse group ? logged out and back in ? |
| 05:57.13 | netecho_ | fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 05:57.13 | netecho_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:57.27 | Gokee2 | netecho, type in "groups" and see if you are there |
| 05:57.29 | netecho_ | oh you have to log out completely? |
| 05:57.43 | netecho_ | brb then |
| 05:58.19 | netecho | thanks gents |
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| 05:58.44 | netecho_ | worked like a charm |
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| 06:08.37 | netecho_ | Ok another curveball is there an easy way to grab files from my laptop I.e. wget netecho@192.168.1.4:/home/netecho/Desktop/* <-- yes I tried that already lol |
| 06:10.19 | mmnicolas | netecho_: just do the same thing but the other way around, or just use scp if you don't want to mount anything |
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| 06:12.58 | netecho_ | mmnicolas, scp seems like the option I want |
| 06:13.13 | mmnicolas | netecho_: you might want to have a look at git, gitweb and other git tools for your coding storage needs |
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| 06:13.51 | netecho_ | mmnicolas, thanks :) |
| 06:14.14 | brah | netecho: Check out 'ssh like a boss' |
| 06:14.23 | netecho_ | lol @ like a boss |
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| 06:15.49 | mmnicolas | that's actually their motto |
| 06:16.10 | brah | https://github.com/turicas/sbc |
| 06:17.33 | netecho_ | also any know how to map the mouse buttons on a logitech MX518? I.e. Side back button = back in browser, App Switcher button = keyboard shortcut and so on? |
| 06:19.00 | mmnicolas | Your desktop env. should have global shortcuts somewhere |
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| 06:20.28 | netecho | mmnicolas: theres keyboard shortcuts but it doesn't seem to like my mouse |
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| 06:21.15 | mmnicolas | netecho: you can use Xev to test if theses buttons even exists and what are their keycodes |
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| 06:21.46 | netecho | smart |
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| 06:22.36 | santom | HI everyone I installed ubuntu 10.10 as I am having shud down problem with 11.10 and 12.04 . I wanted to install the library libboost-random-dev but is not found in synaptic manager in 10.10 but found in latetr versions |
| 06:22.42 | santom | Is there any way to download it |
| 06:22.42 | santom | ? |
| 06:22.57 | mmnicolas | !ubuntu |
| 06:22.57 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 06:24.44 | simonlnu | /part #debian then /join #ubuntu |
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| 06:27.50 | mmnicolas | santom: you should consider using a supported release, chances are your problem will be automagically fixed |
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| 06:28.20 | helena | mmnicolas: AUTO MAGIC! :D |
| 06:28.35 | mmnicolas | that's the best kind of magic |
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| 06:28.58 | helena | yep :£ |
| 06:29.01 | helena | :3 |
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| 06:40.08 | netecho_ | yay automagic :D |
| 06:41.42 | netecho_ | wonders how bad apt-get install * would be :P |
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| 06:42.29 | Corey | E: Couldn't find package default |
| 06:42.34 | Corey | Not very. |
| 06:42.41 | netecho_ | lol |
| 06:42.50 | netecho_ | so much for that test |
| 06:42.59 | Corey | If escaped: E: Regex compilation error - Invalid preceding regular expression |
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| 06:43.24 | netecho_ | probably that way on purpose to keep people like me from screwing their installs |
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| 06:47.33 | MouseTheLuckyDog | I just installed postgresql ( via apt ) on a debian testing installation. It created a user called postgres, does anyone know if there is some default passord to that account? |
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| 06:48.59 | netecho_ | MouseTheLuckyDog, a system user or database user? |
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| 06:49.19 | AL13N | WTF! did anyone see this? http://blog.mariadb.org/disappearing-test-cases/ |
| 06:49.19 | AL13N | (08:53:29) AL13N: oracle is close sourcing more of mysql, all distro's should switch to mariadb as default |
| 06:49.25 | MouseTheLuckyDog | netecho, system user. |
| 06:49.45 | netecho_ | MouseTheLuckyDog, its most likely a randomly generated password |
| 06:50.27 | brah | AL13N: It's Oracle's business model, I don't get why people are getting suprirsed. |
| 06:51.19 | AL13N | yeah, oracle's been this way forever |
| 06:51.50 | AL13N | i think it's time debian also switches mysql default to the fork mariadb |
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| 06:52.37 | MouseTheLuckyDog | AL13N, while not a fan of Oracle I would look for an independent source before believing that story. |
| 06:52.45 | AL13N | not only is it more performant and more secure, it has more features and the community are better |
| 06:52.50 | AL13N | MouseTheLuckyDog: you can verify the facts |
| 06:53.01 | AL13N | MouseTheLuckyDog: the author tells how he figured it out |
| 06:53.20 | CryptoMole | I hate oracle and miss sun ] |
| 06:53.43 | AL13N | besides, everything oracle touches either forks or dies |
| 06:53.51 | AL13N | (opensource) |
| 06:53.54 | CryptoMole | oracle has really meesed things up. |
| 06:55.13 | AL13N | already some distro's have switched to mariadb as default |
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| 06:55.53 | brah | Problem is MySQL is a huge brand |
| 06:56.04 | CryptoMole | I remember back in the 90's in college as alab aid we had to install oracle on every workstation in the cs dept. |
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| 06:56.41 | CryptoMole | some big database |
| 06:56.47 | AL13N | brah: MariaDB is a complete fork, they still have the same files and commands and everything... the server is still called mysqld, the client mysql |
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| 06:57.30 | AL13N | brah: besides, all the original devs from mysql are in mariadb |
| 06:57.33 | CryptoMole | oracle dont get me started. |
| 06:57.49 | brah | Brand as in brand name. |
| 06:58.03 | CryptoMole | yep |
| 06:58.13 | CryptoMole | like microshit |
| 06:58.15 | brah | Everybody and his dog knows MySQL |
| 06:58.19 | AL13N | i understand, but you can easily install mariadb if you do apt-get install mysql |
| 06:58.20 | brah | By name |
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| 07:03.15 | mmnicolas | Is there anything wrong with openly publishing public keys ? |
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| 07:04.02 | AL13N | no |
| 07:04.08 | AL13N | that's why it's called public keys |
| 07:04.26 | JoeHazzers | i'd paste mine, but it'd probably take up a good few lines |
| 07:04.27 | JoeHazzers | :3 |
| 07:04.37 | JoeHazzers | where good few = 1 |
| 07:04.40 | CryptoMole | pastebin |
| 07:05.06 | uberdub | Im tempted to run KDE |
| 07:05.17 | brah | I did, twice. |
| 07:05.18 | CryptoMole | youll be sorry |
| 07:05.38 | CryptoMole | gnome 3 is just as bad |
| 07:05.38 | uberdub | Ive been running KDe for years, but this install came with gnome |
| 07:05.55 | uberdub | I dunno |
| 07:06.10 | uberdub | something elegantly simple about it |
| 07:06.21 | uberdub | but thats also what makes me not like it in a way |
| 07:06.26 | uberdub | its almost too simple |
| 07:06.29 | CryptoMole | kde has sucked since like version 3.5 |
| 07:06.36 | CryptoMole | my opinion |
| 07:06.50 | uberdub | yeah I had never even run it at that point |
| 07:06.56 | brah | I ran KDE back like in 2005, then again on 4. Nothing to write home about imo. |
| 07:07.00 | uberdub | i started on like slack 9 or 10 |
| 07:07.27 | uberdub | K is actually pretty nice currently |
| 07:07.30 | brah | I guess I just don't 'get' it. |
| 07:07.31 | CryptoMole | miss kde 3.2 and 3.3 |
| 07:07.52 | uberdub | I cant remember what slack 9 came with |
| 07:08.00 | uberdub | or 10 |
| 07:08.09 | uberdub | I think I used KDE 3 |
| 07:08.18 | CryptoMole | i run xfce4 |
| 07:08.21 | uberdub | Isnt it like 5 now? |
| 07:08.29 | uberdub | xfce is cool |
| 07:08.29 | simonlnu | 4.9 |
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| 07:08.33 | uberdub | ahh |
| 07:08.46 | uberdub | honestly K is pretty polished these days |
| 07:08.53 | uberdub | compared to when I first ran it |
| 07:09.02 | uberdub | gnome is ok, Im on the fence |
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| 07:09.12 | simonlnu | 4.0 sucked hard. got better by 4.4 |
| 07:09.28 | CryptoMole | gnome3 is for very fast machines |
| 07:09.47 | brah | Gnome3 is faster than XFCE on my machine, weird. |
| 07:09.50 | uberdub | yeah I was playing with os x when 4 came out, byt the time I used it again was good to go IIRC |
| 07:10.22 | CryptoMole | but gnome has chaned too many things I dont like it |
| 07:10.26 | uberdub | gnome seems sliglhtly faster, and more efficient than K |
| 07:10.48 | CryptoMole | not on my old box |
| 07:11.03 | uberdub | its just almost too simple, not customizable enough |
| 07:11.07 | brah | Gnome 3 is easier to transition from osx |
| 07:11.16 | CryptoMole | this box is pretty decent |
| 07:11.18 | brah | And it has loads of good extensions |
| 07:11.22 | uberdub | I use cairo dock, on both |
| 07:11.28 | CryptoMole | but it runs on arch |
| 07:11.34 | CryptoMole | and xfce |
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| 07:11.59 | brah | I don't understand docks. |
| 07:12.07 | uberdub | I almost feel like if Im gonna go simple might as well go xfce, and should be even faster, and lighter |
| 07:12.30 | uberdub | theyre purdy |
| 07:12.33 | uberdub | lol |
| 07:12.33 | CryptoMole | xfce is fast light and simple |
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| 07:12.39 | uberdub | I know |
| 07:12.46 | uberdub | at least has been for me |
| 07:12.58 | uberdub | on this machine |
| 07:13.06 | brah | Windows are impossible to resize though. You have to be a wizard to land the mouse right on the edge of the window in less than 5 attempts. |
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| 07:13.40 | CryptoMole | on what |
| 07:13.45 | brah | xfce |
| 07:13.49 | CryptoMole | shit |
| 07:13.55 | CryptoMole | not this |
| 07:14.08 | uberdub | that could be your hardware\ |
| 07:14.17 | CryptoMole | just resized mine twise |
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| 07:14.32 | CryptoMole | lol |
| 07:14.38 | CryptoMole | ati |
| 07:14.42 | brah | I didn't customize it at all. Out of the box I have to land the mouse not farther than 2px from the edge of the window or it won't turn into the 'resize' pointer. |
| 07:14.56 | uberdub | sounds like a config issue |
| 07:15.34 | uberdub | brah, whats gpu? |
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| 07:15.53 | brah | Nvidia |
| 07:16.10 | CryptoMole | graphics processing unit |
| 07:16.14 | brah | Repo drivers. |
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| 07:17.24 | uberdub | youre using nouveua ? |
| 07:17.29 | uberdub | or however its spelled |
| 07:17.33 | brah | No. Official drivers. |
| 07:17.39 | brah | DKMS from the wheezy repo. |
| 07:17.42 | uberdub | hmm |
| 07:17.46 | CryptoMole | hey has anyone ever tried that new ubuntu im curious |
| 07:17.51 | simonlnu | or theme. some themes have some ui issues like that |
| 07:17.52 | uberdub | yeah |
| 07:17.54 | uberdub | sucks |
| 07:17.54 | CryptoMole | if it worked |
| 07:18.02 | CryptoMole | lol |
| 07:18.17 | uberdub | ran like crap on my machine |
| 07:19.09 | CryptoMole | I like debian and arch and debian more so |
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| 07:19.16 | uberdub | debian is awesome |
| 07:19.19 | uberdub | gotta say |
| 07:19.28 | uberdub | wish I had just installed it years ago |
| 07:19.33 | CryptoMole | apt and go |
| 07:19.40 | netecho_ | uberdub, I think that goes without saying heh |
| 07:19.58 | uberdub | I got tired of compiling everything in slack |
| 07:20.07 | uberdub | deps ugh |
| 07:20.16 | CryptoMole | pacman works well |
| 07:20.37 | CryptoMole | have to stay pretty up to datre though |
| 07:20.41 | CryptoMole | pain |
| 07:20.49 | ectospasm | that was my problem with Gentoo |
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| 07:20.57 | uberdub | then I went os x for a while. then went to kubuntu |
| 07:20.58 | ectospasm | had to devote your life to being a Gentoo admin |
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| 07:21.17 | CryptoMole | yeah I have a life too |
| 07:21.22 | uberdub | yeah slack is almost as bad, I never even bothered with gentoo |
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| 07:21.42 | ectospasm | I went from Slackware to Gentoo, after briefly trying LFS |
| 07:21.52 | uberdub | yeah, Im just an endusers these days, I been there done that in linux. |
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| 07:22.04 | CryptoMole | im 52 yrs old and have no time for 24/7 computering |
| 07:22.14 | uberdub | thats why I figured f it, just go ubuntu |
| 07:22.21 | uberdub | me either |
| 07:22.23 | CryptoMole | cool |
| 07:22.39 | ectospasm | I went from Gentoo to Ubuntu, and couldn't stand it after a few years. So now I use Debian. |
| 07:22.40 | uberdub | I just installed debian last week |
| 07:23.00 | uberdub | ectospasm, yeah thats where Im at right now LOL |
| 07:23.27 | CryptoMole | ubunto and debian are the 2 apt based distro's I would use |
| 07:23.44 | uberdub | yeah debian is way better than ucraptu |
| 07:24.22 | CryptoMole | I have a new install of wheezy on a desktop and this is an archbox |
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| 07:24.54 | uberdub | Im running squeeze |
| 07:25.02 | CryptoMole | yeah |
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| 07:25.09 | CryptoMole | cool good |
| 07:25.10 | uberdub | rock solid |
| 07:25.11 | ectospasm | I won't seriously consider a new distro (for myself) until I feel constrained by Debian's shortcomings |
| 07:25.16 | brah | Wheezy. Only major change was reversing the scroll so scroll up scrolls me down. |
| 07:25.19 | ectospasm | I don't anticipate that for quite some time. |
| 07:25.27 | uberdub | and I cant say that about all distros on this amchine |
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| 07:26.04 | uberdub | this is actually the first distro that everything just worked OTB |
| 07:26.09 | CryptoMole | I have been using debian testing so long I forgot |
| 07:26.29 | CryptoMole | oh yes 2005 |
| 07:26.43 | uberdub | yeah Im impressed actually |
| 07:27.01 | ectospasm | I went from squeeze to wheezy... now I'm on sid everywhere but work. |
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| 07:27.12 | ectospasm | (on wheezy at work) |
| 07:27.16 | uberdub | Ive had bad luck with newer kernels for some reason though |
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| 07:27.43 | CryptoMole | my first distro was ubuntu warty warthog |
| 07:27.46 | uberdub | havent even tried in debian |
| 07:27.52 | CryptoMole | then debian |
| 07:28.04 | uberdub | 2.6 is working fine |
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| 07:28.11 | ectospasm | I started on Slackware disk sets back in 1997. |
| 07:28.19 | CryptoMole | cool |
| 07:28.39 | uberdub | c64 and IIe for me |
| 07:28.51 | CryptoMole | I still have redhat 60 box |
| 07:28.52 | ectospasm | didn't really make the plunge to Linux on my primary workstation until about 2002 or so. |
| 07:29.13 | CryptoMole | kernel 2.2 |
| 07:29.18 | ectospasm | uberdub: I grew up on an Apple ][+ |
| 07:29.21 | uberdub | I never got into windows |
| 07:29.27 | uberdub | right on |
| 07:29.38 | ectospasm | ...but didn't use it for more than games |
| 07:29.51 | uberdub | my friend had a TI I used to mess around onforget which model its been so long |
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| 07:30.03 | CryptoMole | I learned dos 6.0 and windows 3.1 and so on |
| 07:30.13 | uberdub | yeah never ran that |
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| 07:30.26 | uberdub | my neighbor had dos on his 386 |
| 07:30.37 | CryptoMole | what I had |
| 07:30.47 | CryptoMole | \386/25dx |
| 07:30.53 | uberdub | was using macs by like 91 |
| 07:31.00 | ectospasm | did my first sysadminning on an old DOS 5 box, wrote a bunch of batch scripts |
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| 07:31.09 | uberdub | never really had a windows machine for long |
| 07:31.11 | ectospasm | ...I was a kid |
| 07:31.17 | CryptoMole | paid 1100 for mine |
| 07:31.26 | CryptoMole | i was 30 |
| 07:31.36 | CryptoMole | late bloomer |
| 07:31.39 | uberdub | ectospasm: nice |
| 07:32.25 | uberdub | yeah computers were a rich kids thing in the 80's, but i did get to play around a bit. In the 90' I didnt have many computers...starving student kind of thing |
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| 07:32.51 | uberdub | I kinda missed the whole windows thing |
| 07:33.00 | ectospasm | lucky you |
| 07:33.03 | uberdub | lol |
| 07:33.24 | CryptoMole | I love GNU/Linux |
| 07:33.26 | uberdub | I had a laptop that came with win ME |
| 07:33.31 | ectospasm | I loathed Windows 3.1, dragged kicking and screaming into a dubious GUI world. |
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| 07:33.54 | uberdub | it was wiped and slack installed within a few weeks |
| 07:34.20 | CryptoMole | I had to use xp today and I was pulling my hair out |
| 07:34.27 | uberdub | never owned my own computer til 2000 |
| 07:34.42 | uberdub | xp is horrid |
| 07:35.00 | CryptoMole | thankyou kind sir |
| 07:35.14 | uberdub | all windows is really |
| 07:35.19 | ectospasm | at least XP is a known quantity |
| 07:35.20 | uberdub | win 7 is ok |
| 07:35.27 | uberdub | I guess |
| 07:35.31 | uberdub | better.. |
| 07:35.41 | ectospasm | Win7 is actually quite usable--for Windows. |
| 07:35.53 | ectospasm | thankfully I don't need to use it much |
| 07:36.17 | brah | I used it back when I gamed, and now sometimes when I really need to open a docx |
| 07:36.32 | uberdub | its like they went...hmmm...lets see....take aqua, KDE, gnome, and xfce...rip all its basic concepts....and call it win7 |
| 07:36.41 | ectospasm | reminds me, I need to install LibreOffice 3.6... |
| 07:36.52 | CryptoMole | yep and me I just like a good man page sick I know. |
| 07:36.56 | uberdub | yeah directx is nice |
| 07:36.59 | uberdub | well |
| 07:37.02 | uberdub | nice to have |
| 07:37.07 | uberdub | opengl is better |
| 07:37.26 | brah | Sometimes I need to open an university powerpoint and it won't render well on LibreOffice |
| 07:37.31 | brah | thankfully they usually post pdfs |
| 07:37.31 | uberdub | but directx is the only thing I wish I had when I delete windows |
| 07:37.57 | uberdub | I like games |
| 07:38.00 | uberdub | but eh |
| 07:38.07 | uberdub | I own a ps3...so |
| 07:38.24 | brah | Steam runs a couple of games on Linux, but it's still way on beta. |
| 07:38.39 | uberdub | yeah soon we'll have games |
| 07:38.46 | uberdub | its coming |
| 07:38.54 | uberdub | cloud gaming |
| 07:39.11 | uberdub | uses java |
| 07:39.26 | uberdub | soon wont matter your OS |
| 07:39.40 | brah | Mhh I can't find it now. Maybe I was thinking Steam for mac |
| 07:39.52 | uberdub | studios would rather it that way too |
| 07:40.27 | uberdub | no more need to build for different architecture |
| 07:41.03 | uberdub | one build through cloud accessaible by anyone, on any OS |
| 07:41.34 | brah | "Cloud gaming uses java"? What? |
| 07:41.36 | ectospasm | Valve will be releasing Steam for Linux |
| 07:41.40 | uberdub | some does |
| 07:41.45 | uberdub | yes |
| 07:41.48 | brah | Why would anyone program a game in Java. |
| 07:41.55 | uberdub | not the game |
| 07:41.57 | uberdub | JRE |
| 07:42.08 | brah | The virtual machine would need to run your game. |
| 07:42.15 | uberdub | yep |
| 07:42.49 | uberdub | now that bandwidth is getting faster in most regions, its becoming doable |
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| 07:43.16 | NetEcho | I've noticed that when I change the system appearance to dark/light text boxes it works even in firefox however on google it doesn't |
| 07:43.39 | uberdub | http://www.gaikai.com/ |
| 07:43.55 | NetEcho | is there a workaround for that? |
| 07:43.58 | uberdub | play away |
| 07:44.12 | brah | Well, OnLive owner just sold the company like a hot potato. |
| 07:44.30 | uberdub | yeah theyre on android, but not linux |
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| 07:44.45 | uberdub | gaikai uses JRE |
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| 07:46.51 | uberdub | oh yeah battlefield 3 linux!!!!! |
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| 07:50.54 | brah | My Steam wallet is worth $500. Sigh. I can't even be bothered of downloading the games that run on linux individually. |
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| 08:41.09 | mallxs | hi i have a scri running that start programs that open a window; is there a way to make current (select) one of the Gnome screens |
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| 08:43.48 | brah | mallxs, bring to the front? |
| 08:44.57 | jasonb | how does debian team choose which desktop env (e.g. xface) as next release's main env? |
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| 08:45.22 | oufo | NetEcho, i think you need something like this: http://userstyles.org/styles/26365/global-dark-bg-light-fg-on-forms-inputs |
| 08:45.49 | NetEcho | thanks oufo |
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| 08:48.27 | mallxs | hmm yes the programs are a bots running for a game .. they go to the front on startup .. they are also memory hungry so i restart them every 3 hrs .. but i dont want them to go to the screen where i'm woriking atm so i would like to (select/bring to front) ne of the gnome screens. |
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| 08:49.26 | brah | mallxs, you don't want them, but you want them? I don't understand. |
| 08:49.28 | mallxs | maybe even from a cron |
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| 08:51.26 | mallxs | ok put it simple .. i have 4 grome screens .. i would like to have some progrmas to on screen (1) ... can i (select/make current) gnome screen (1) from the command line |
| 08:51.56 | mmnicolas | mallxs: see wmctrl |
| 08:53.17 | mallxs | mmnicolas: thx, i see i dont have a man for that; so i will have to install that .. will read in to that |
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| 08:53.49 | brah | mallxs: http://linux.die.net/man/1/wmctrl |
| 08:53.56 | mmnicolas | jasonb: they choose the one that fits on a cd |
| 08:54.29 | mallxs | brah: thx |
| 08:55.00 | brah | mmnicolas: Actually once upon a time gnome was the only free decent one. Since then they've stuck to that. |
| 08:55.18 | brah | IIRC you can install KDE from the CD as well by going to the options. |
| 08:55.25 | brah | or maybe XFC |
| 08:55.29 | brah | E |
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| 08:56.31 | mmnicolas | still, usually the rule of thumb is "the most featured DE that still fits on CD1" |
| 08:56.50 | brah | Packages are accepted by popularity, so yes. |
| 08:57.10 | mmnicolas | being the default tasksel option for "Desktop Environment" only means you have to have what it needs on CD1 |
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| 09:02.49 | jasonb | mmicolas: get it. thanks |
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| 09:06.37 | ectospasm | last time I let the wheezy debian-installer install its default desktop environment, it installed KDE, but that was netinst so ymmv |
| 09:07.03 | steve070 | I have a reall simply one for you, I'm forgetting this. If you clone an image to another motherboard and the nic changes, i know there is an issue with the rules.d percistenet network setting. I thought restarting udev created those, but doesn't look to be the case. What do I need to do to generate that entry for the new nic (already cleared the old ones) |
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| 09:07.19 | ad-n770 | I've installed wheezy/xfce (CD1+xfce+lxde) in a compaq tc1000 |
| 09:07.28 | mmnicolas | jasonb: better explanation from the guy who made the call: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commit;h=2a962cc65cdba010177f27e8824ba10d9a799a08 |
| 09:07.36 | ad-n770 | now I'm trying to get the pen working |
| 09:08.28 | ad-n770 | I've been playing with setserial and inputattach as I've collected few bits on that topic in the forums |
| 09:08.43 | lord_rob | hi ! I'm running debian/amd64 and I've added multiarch support for i386 but as it causes me a lot of headaches, I'd like to remove it but dpkg says "error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database". Any help ? |
| 09:08.49 | ad-n770 | also downloaded the older tc1k driver and been looking into the source code |
| 09:09.08 | steve070 | this is queeze |
| 09:09.34 | ad-n770 | but my guess is that I will need to write some code in inputattach |
| 09:10.11 | ad-n770 | could someone point me a guide on start hacking on a debian package? |
| 09:10.17 | mmnicolas | steve070: edit or remove the entry in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 09:12.12 | steve070 | mmnicolas: I had tried commenting them out, right now they are removed compleatly, what do I have to run to generate the new nic entries |
| 09:12.23 | ad-n770 | I mean I've an overall knowledge and I'm a C coder with experience but I don't know which are the best practices to hack on a debian packages in order to provide results upstream |
| 09:12.32 | steve070 | mmnicolas: I had to make a redhat referance but is there a kudzu equivelnt I need to be running. |
| 09:13.14 | ad-n770 | I've just started with an apt-get build-dep inputattach |
| 09:13.18 | steve070 | mmnicolas: You assistance is much appreciated, I have done this before but clearly i'm missing something here. This is squeeze with a 2.6 kernel that should support the nic |
| 09:13.35 | mmnicolas | steve070: have you tried turning it off and on again ? |
| 09:13.53 | mmnicolas | or just reloading the NIC module |
| 09:14.12 | steve070 | I tried restarting yes |
| 09:14.39 | steve070 | mmnicolas: I had tried restarting the server, and also I tried restarting udev. |
| 09:15.03 | mmnicolas | then udev is not picking it up |
| 09:15.10 | mmnicolas | could you pastebin your dmesg |
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| 09:15.58 | steve070 | mmnicolas: Its offline at the moment so that is a bit difficult though i'd love to. is there a specific line your looking for I can type up |
| 09:16.26 | mmnicolas | i'd be grepping "eth" |
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| 09:17.27 | steve070 | mmnicolas: no match |
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| 09:17.45 | mmnicolas | some non-free firmware might be required |
| 09:17.54 | steve070 | mmnicolas: do I need to mod prob something |
| 09:18.13 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok is unbuntu like the mis understood child of debian? |
| 09:18.15 | steve070 | mmnicolas: this is a standard cougarpoint chipset from intel. let me check the nic. |
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| 09:18.51 | steve070 | mmnicolas: Intel® i350 Dual port Gigabit Ethernet |
| 09:18.51 | mmnicolas | lspci | grep Ethernet |
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| 09:20.02 | steve070 | mmnicolas: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation Device 1521 (rev01) |
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| 09:20.13 | steve070 | mmnicolas: and another instance on 02:00.1 |
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| 09:21.02 | mmnicolas | have you updated to 6.0.5 ? |
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| 09:22.02 | steve070 | mmnicolas: This is squeeze running a 2.6.26-1 kernel |
| 09:23.43 | mmnicolas | ah, apparently it didn't work before 2.6.32-36 |
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| 09:23.52 | mmnicolas | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=627702 |
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| 09:24.26 | steve070 | mmnicolas: darn new hardware |
| 09:25.22 | steve070 | mmnicolas: so back to the old hardware for a kernel update I supose. |
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| 09:25.40 | steve070 | mmnicolas: what are the odds thats something I can just do an apt update onto |
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| 09:27.02 | mmnicolas | you should get stuff like firmware-linux-free and non-free just in case |
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| 09:27.24 | steve070 | mmnicolas: I apprecfiate you finding that. I had assumed since this is 2.6 it would be in there. |
| 09:27.34 | steve070 | mmnicolas: but then I could use a good kernel boot |
| 09:27.46 | steve070 | mmnicolas: %s/boot/book/g |
| 09:30.11 | mmnicolas | if it doesn't work theres still 3.2.0 in the backports to try out |
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| 09:32.55 | steve070 | mmnicolas: is that just an dpkg i can drop in? |
| 09:33.36 | mmnicolas | just a repository in your sources.list yes |
| 09:33.52 | mmnicolas | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 09:34.27 | steve070 | mmnicolas: thanks, hopefuly its going to pop back up witht he old net file i put in and I can try updating the kernel. |
| 09:35.11 | steve070 | mmnicolas: lack of driver support explains a lot. You can tell i'm not a debian guy. Hard to belive the first version of linux I ever used was debian 1.3 |
| 09:35.29 | mmnicolas | and old usb-to-ethernet adapter would prove useful in your situation |
| 09:35.43 | steve070 | mmnicolas: at the time my friend who helped me load it up the first time forbid me to touch redhat ;) |
| 09:36.16 | steve070 | mmnicolas: ya I just dumped a bunch of dual port compaq cards I had laying around, keeping some extra eth0's on hand would be a good idea |
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| 09:36.34 | steve070 | mmnicolas: I figured if it wasn't gigbit it wasn't work the shelf space and recycled them. |
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| 09:37.55 | nickool | after a recent upgrade, cannot login to kdm. the system returns to the login screen again. anyone else have this problem? |
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| 09:39.08 | mmnicolas | nickool: let me guess, not using stable ? ;) |
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| 09:39.16 | lord_rob | hi ! I'm running debian/amd64 and I've added multiarch support for i386 but as it causes me a lot of headaches, I'd like to remove it but dpkg says "error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database". Any help ? I suppose I need to remove all :386 packages but how to find them ? |
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| 09:39.51 | lord_rob | mmnicolas: let me guess you have the problem too ? ;) |
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| 09:40.09 | mmnicolas | lord_rob: no. :P |
| 09:40.11 | nickool | mmnicolas: right, using testing. does that ring a bell? |
| 09:40.11 | Losowski | lord_rob: A simple dpkg -l will list all packages and architectures |
| 09:40.31 | hadoop | lord_rob: it's currently used by what database ? |
| 09:41.01 | mmnicolas | using squeeze, but yes it rings a bell, corrupted user files, try a new user |
| 09:41.03 | lord_rob | wish I knew (C) dpkg |
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| 09:42.29 | lord_rob | I've been using multiarch since very recently (because of a flash problem, tried 32 bits flash) |
| 09:43.05 | lord_rob | and actually I don't know how this works |
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| 09:43.36 | lord_rob | and my system is b0rked because qt doesn't support multiarch as of yet |
| 09:43.57 | nickool | mmnicolas: creating a new user may be a way around it but the new user will not be able to access the files of the current user. |
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| 09:44.44 | mmnicolas | nickool: chown ? |
| 09:44.58 | mmnicolas | chgrp |
| 09:45.43 | nickool | right, that will work. thanks. but i will try to copy /home from my backup first. you think its a good idea? |
| 09:46.45 | mmnicolas | I don't see how it could hurt, but I don't really see why either but I guess it's always good to test a backup :) |
| 09:47.22 | nickool | yeah, agree. you've been with debian for long? |
| 09:47.39 | mmnicolas | since potato |
| 09:47.57 | nickool | why not try wheezy? |
| 09:48.09 | themill | lord_rob: qt does support multiarch, you've just got to tell dpkg to either exclude changelogs or to overwrite them |
| 09:49.03 | lord_rob | I'm using unstable themill |
| 09:49.22 | steve070 | mmnicolas: the apt-get upgrade is going to do a pretty hevt list of stuff i'm not, some of which i'm not certain I want to update (i.e ruby) since its not my configuration. apt-get upgrade doesn't look to accept argument for spcific packages, are these just going to be dependancies or can I just do a kernel udpate |
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| 09:49.39 | themill | lord_rob: so? |
| 09:49.40 | nickool | bye |
| 09:50.01 | lord_rob | themill: <MoDaX> lord_rob: the problem is that currently qt is not installable in multiarch setup |
| 09:50.13 | lord_rob | modax is from qt/kde team |
| 09:51.15 | themill | lord_rob: hence you having to tell dpkg to either exclude changelogs or overwrite them |
| 09:51.20 | mmnicolas | steve070: it seems your installation pre-dates the release of squeeze, you should really upgrade that whole thing |
| 09:52.47 | ratatata | nu |
| 09:52.49 | steve070 | mmnicolas: I agree, just probably going to have to do some review which means I'll have to scrap the hardware update for tonight :( |
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| 09:52.54 | mmnicolas | steve070: if something fails, you still have your raw disc image to try again |
| 09:53.45 | mmnicolas | or even better, a fresh install ? |
| 09:53.45 | steve070 | mmnicolas: I'm actualy porting a 1.8TB array so although its equivicol to a disk clone for purpose of explination, I'm moving a hardware controller. |
| 09:54.18 | mmnicolas | oh |
| 09:54.22 | steve070 | mmnicolas: ya i'm thinking I may just go that route, i'd rather bump up the debian controller and maybe just rebuild this array onto an LSI 9266-4i while i'm at it. |
| 09:54.23 | m4k | I installed wheezy beta version but no gui in it |
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| 09:57.47 | lord_rob | themill: how do I do that ? |
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| 09:58.13 | lord_rob | I googled but didn't find anything |
| 09:58.49 | m4k | Why no gui in wheezy beta |
| 09:59.09 | nkuttler | m4k: no gui? |
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| 10:00.47 | mmnicolas | m4k: "beta" |
| 10:01.15 | steve070 | mmnicolas: i'm scraping this for the night, thanks fora ll your help. |
| 10:01.30 | mmnicolas | steve070: np |
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| 10:02.04 | m4k | nkuttler: i'm new in debian i installed wheezy beta release in vm but no gui |
| 10:02.23 | hadoop | debian |
| 10:03.03 | nkuttler | m4k: well.. did you install anything? xorg, gnome, kde or whatever. what happens when you run startx, etc. |
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| 10:04.08 | m4k | That goes to a terminal |
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| 10:06.45 | m4k | Nkutteler: when run startx it show a terminal |
| 10:07.44 | nkuttler | m4k: a terminal? |
| 10:08.04 | m4k | Yes |
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| 10:08.10 | nkuttler | what does that mean? |
| 10:08.21 | nkuttler | a window, like xterm or what? |
| 10:08.30 | nkuttler | graphical? |
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| 10:09.23 | m4k | Cmd line system. I not sure i installed de . Because i installed fist cd image |
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| 10:10.04 | nkuttler | m4k: well install what you want. start by xorg |
| 10:10.06 | nkuttler | !install gnome |
| 10:10.07 | dpkg | To install GNOME: install the 'gnome' package to install everything, 'gnome-desktop-environment' for GNOME as defined by upstream, 'gnome-core' for a bit less and 'gnome-session' for the basic components actually needed to run a GNOME session. You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 10:10.21 | nkuttler | !install xorg |
| 10:10.22 | dpkg | To install X in Debian Lenny and later releases: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 10:13.51 | m4k | Thanks. I have a little knowledge abt de, wm. |
| 10:14.05 | m4k | Bye. |
| 10:14.13 | dutchfish | hi, how can i make /dev/rttyUSB0 symlink to /dev/true0 on boot time the debian way, needed by ntpd daemon for .TRUE. driver in debian/wheezy X86_64 taking into account depency booting? |
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| 10:17.22 | dutchfish | s/depency/dependacy |
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| 10:18.09 | lord_rob | still not correct dutchfish :p |
| 10:18.49 | Losowski | ;) |
| 10:18.57 | dutchfish | lord_rob, sorry for my bad english, i stand corrected. |
| 10:19.03 | dualhead | Is there anyone who has a working dual head fglrx setup including the control to put one full screen application on a specific monitor (such that it looks the same as on one screen)? |
| 10:19.27 | dualhead | I thought dual head was a solved problem :/ |
| 10:19.37 | lord_rob | dutchfish: I thought it was just a typo |
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| 10:22.10 | nkuttler | dualhead: #ati |
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| 10:26.15 | lord_rob | #ati or #fglrx ? |
| 10:26.42 | lord_rob | no #ati |
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| 10:27.24 | lord_rob | open source drivers work so well :) |
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| 10:30.15 | wissem | hello |
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| 10:30.39 | wissem | just installed gnome shell 3.4.2 on debian wheezy |
| 10:30.48 | wissem | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.57 | wissem | any workarounds for this please? |
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| 10:33.49 | ompaul | wissem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673612 points to a possible work around on launchpad |
| 10:33.54 | ompaul | written on it |
| 10:33.59 | oo_miguel | how do I easil install the flashplayer? |
| 10:34.09 | oo_miguel | s/easil/easily |
| 10:34.12 | ompaul | !tell oo_miguel about flash |
| 10:34.15 | oo_miguel | thx |
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| 10:36.01 | oo_miguel | ompaul: this even already answers my second question |
| 10:36.07 | oo_miguel | ill try this gnash thing. |
| 10:36.26 | ompaul | oo_miguel: it works in some cases not all that's all I'll say |
| 10:37.06 | foetus | switched to xz with XZ_DEFAULTS="-M 200m" - major speed improvement.. |
| 10:37.49 | oo_miguel | it seems to work in my case , nice |
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| 10:37.55 | oo_miguel | thank you ompaul |
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| 10:46.03 | foetus | is using 3.2.23-rt37-1 now on an AsRock E350-M1, works.. |
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| 10:48.31 | lord_rob | finally my system isn't b0rked anymore now that I have removed multiarch :-) |
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| 11:03.39 | oo_miguel | any Idea how to get a recent wine on my debian squeeze? With aptitude I get only 1.0.1 |
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| 11:24.55 | lord_rob | oo_miguel: http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
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| 11:39.54 | Pizza90 | hi all, i am an ubuntu user i was thinking about switching to ubuntu 12.04 but then i thought about debian, what are the reasons because debian is better than ubuntu? |
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| 11:40.15 | brah | How safe is connecting to a telnet app? |
| 11:40.20 | grobda24 | Hello. I built my own official debian kernel using the instructions here - http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 11:40.47 | grobda24 | ... in order to apply a couple of patches for a piece of hardware. I found the method in the link very easy. |
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| 11:41.29 | grobda24 | I used "apt-get source linux", but I cannot now see how to retrieve the real time (rt) kernel version. |
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| 11:41.48 | grobda24 | How do I get rt kernel using this moethod ? |
| 11:41.53 | grobda24 | *method |
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| 11:45.09 | gnugr | !tell Pizza90 -about why debian |
| 11:47.03 | Pizza90 | gnugr: thanks! i will read those links :) |
| 11:47.31 | lvh | Is systemd worth upgrading to for servers? |
| 11:47.42 | lvh | Features are nice, but man, systemd has a lot. Perhaps too many. |
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| 11:48.15 | lvh | I guess I'm scared that a bug in some unrelated code (let's say process supervision), now happening in pid 1, is going to take the entire thing down. |
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| 11:51.35 | grobda24 | Oh I think I see. It's the same svn source package but I just have to apply the rt patches. |
| 11:52.18 | grobda24 | How do I do this with "test_patches" ? |
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| 11:55.20 | Quibus | hi, according to the Thunderbird webpages, it supports adding RSS feeds. But in Icedove on Debian I can't find any option to add an RSS feed. Any ideas? |
| 11:55.37 | abrotman | did you add a News account (IIRC) |
| 11:55.46 | Quibus | I have a few news accounts |
| 11:56.11 | Quibus | but it's only about NNTP |
| 11:57.32 | Quibus | I can't find anything about an RSS account type or something |
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| 11:58.47 | guest29932 | Fronteras Electronicas ha tenido conocimiento que en los ultimos dias se ha procedido por parte de los administradores del irc al desregistro del canal canal cannabis. |
| 11:58.51 | guest29932 | La decision fue tomada, al parecer, ante la peticion de un usuario de irc que deseaba registrar un nuevo canal con el nombre canal hachis. Al ver denegada su peticion, el usuario argumento que desde hacia tres a�os existia un canal llamado canal cannabis. La decision del irc-Hispano fue dejar de dar soporte a este canal. En la practica, esto significa que canal cannabis ya no esta registrado y, por tanto, no aparece en la lista de canales de |
| 11:58.51 | guest29932 | l Hispano ni cuenta con la presencia del bot CHaN, que |
| 11:58.53 | guest29932 | asegura que el canal este abierto las 24 horas del dia, entre otras facilidades para los usuarios. |
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| 11:58.57 | guest29932 | La tenencia de drogas blandas para el consumo propio no esta tipificada como delito en nuestro pais, si bien puede dar lugar a sanciones administrativas. Hablar por irc de un tema relacionado con el cannabis ni tan siquiera puede dar lugar a una multa, por lo que nos sorprende que el irc-Hispano haya tomado tal decision, totalmente contraria al derecho a la libertad de expresion. Mas cuando los nodos no son responsables de los con |
| 11:58.58 | guest29932 | tenidos de los canales y no ha habido ninguna sentencia en nuestro pais que asi lo prevea. |
| 11:59.01 | guest29932 | Nos consta que las personas que administran irc-Hispano son excelentes profesionales, y su labor social para la comunicacion de las ideas es altamente loable. Pero no podemos dejar de mostrar nuestro desacuerdo con una decision que no es apropiada, ni coherente con los principios que el irc Hispano ha mantenido desde su creacion. Consideramos asimismo que la clausura del canal ni tan siquiera se ajusta a las normas internas del irc Hispano |
| 11:59.01 | guest29932 | . Dichas normas, que por si |
| 11:59.03 | guest29932 | mismas ya constituyen un alarmante caso de censura corporativa (la norma 3 no permite el registro de nombres de ningun partido politico, la 12 no permite registrar canales anti-nada o pro-nada, y sin embargo, la norma 5 si permite el registro de marcas, curiosamente en base a las condiciones que se pacten con el peticionario), no han sido respetadas por aquellos que las aprobaron. |
| 11:59.07 | guest29932 | Desde Fronteras Electronicas pedimos a los responsables del irc Hispano que reconsideren su decision, altamente perjudicial para los derechos a la libertad de opinion y expresion en Internet. Los "damnificados" del canal cannabis han creado una pagina de protesta, con un gif que pueden bajarse y colgar en su web los que quieran expresar su solidaridad con ellos. |
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| 11:59.27 | guest29932 | El negro cebolla |
| 11:59.27 | gnugr | !ops guest29932 |
| 11:59.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnugr complains about: guest29932 |
| 11:59.31 | guest29932 | Dicen pues que el negro cebolla se iba a casar con una chica |
| 11:59.33 | guest29932 | muy linda y de familia algo adinerada, los dos se quer�an y |
| 11:59.35 | guest29932 | ya la fecha del matrimonio estaba pronto, Pero la madre de |
| 11:59.37 | guest29932 | la chica se opon�a a este acto y buscaba como sea que no se |
| 11:59.46 | abrotman | shocker |
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| 12:00.03 | Azrael_- | what was this text? |
| 12:00.12 | abrotman | ignore it |
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| 12:05.29 | JacobF | hello. I'm having some problems with the ATI fglrx driver, it's working but not getting the performance it should. I can tell a little more info: |
| 12:05.56 | JacobF | my system details says graphics driver is VESA: 01 |
| 12:06.15 | JacobF | update-alternatives --config glx shows /usr/lib/fglrx selected |
| 12:07.04 | JacobF | I have all the fglrx packages installed (from sid), is there something more I have to install or configure? |
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| 12:08.57 | JacobF | I have a Radeon 6950 and it can barely handle 200k polygons in Blender, and it is 1.5x slower than my old nVidia 9400GT (it should be around 10x faster) |
| 12:09.48 | JacobF | I would really appreciate any help, I've spent a few hours this morning aswell as last night on it without result |
| 12:10.07 | abrotman | x6950 ? |
| 12:10.16 | abrotman | JacobF: for starters, what is 'uname -a' ? |
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| 12:10.42 | JacobF | Linux debian 3.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 23 02:45:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:11.34 | abrotman | and you're sure the fglrx is being usd and supports your card? |
| 12:11.47 | abrotman | look in the X log in /var/log/ |
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| 12:16.30 | JacobF | abrotman: the X log has a warning after it loads the fglrx module: (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx |
| 12:17.00 | abrotman | not sure what that means |
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| 12:20.18 | JacobF | I will try #ati |
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| 12:22.15 | Quibus | So, anyone got an idea on how to use RSS in Icedove? |
| 12:25.26 | abrotman | Quibus: that didn't help ? |
| 12:26.21 | abrotman | Quibus: you went to "Account Settings" and added Other, then chose Blogs and New Feeds ? |
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| 12:28.07 | brah | I switched my scroll up/scroll down using xmodmap |
| 12:28.19 | brah | Some applications behave like I want, some the regular way. |
| 12:28.30 | brah | I don't really get how that's possible, unless xmodmap isn't low level enough or something. |
| 12:29.17 | oo_miguel | why might ts aptiutde install wine:i386 not work for me? |
| 12:29.38 | oo_miguel | is there some other way to specify the architecture? |
| 12:29.43 | abrotman | in which version of Debian ? |
| 12:29.57 | oo_miguel | sqyeeze |
| 12:30.14 | oo_miguel | squeeze |
| 12:30.26 | abrotman | squeeze isn't multiarch |
| 12:30.49 | oo_miguel | ok sorry , than testing |
| 12:31.02 | oo_miguel | aptitude -t testing install wine:i386 |
| 12:31.42 | abrotman | ... |
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| 12:37.45 | Quibus | abrotman: when I choose Other I get nothing like "Blogs" or "News Feeds". |
| 12:38.05 | abrotman | Quibus: what do you get? |
| 12:38.19 | Quibus | Account Settings |
| 12:38.25 | Quibus | Then at the bottom I see "Account Actions" |
| 12:38.26 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:38.30 | abrotman | can you add an account ? |
| 12:38.32 | Quibus | "Add Other" |
| 12:38.47 | Quibus | Then I get an Identity dialog |
| 12:38.53 | Quibus | I have to type my name and e-mail address |
| 12:38.56 | abrotman | no .. i think you're doing someting int eh wrong order |
| 12:39.18 | Quibus | OK, what should I change? |
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| 12:39.28 | abrotman | Tools->Account Settings->Add Account->Add Other->Blog&RSS |
| 12:39.32 | abrotman | this is from memory :) |
| 12:40.06 | Quibus | I do Edit -> Accont SEttings |
| 12:40.17 | Quibus | Then I can't do "Add Account", but I open "Account Actions" at the bottom |
| 12:40.24 | Quibus | There I can do "Add Other Account" |
| 12:40.31 | Quibus | well, see above |
| 12:40.48 | abrotman | which version of Debian is this ? |
| 12:40.52 | Quibus | testing |
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| 12:41.10 | Quibus | icedove 10.0.5-1 |
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| 12:41.52 | Quibus | so, perhaps debian-next is a better channel, but usually you know your stuff :-) |
| 12:42.13 | abrotman | I'm not even on a Debian box currently, or i'd install icedove and check |
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| 12:46.44 | oo_miguel | how can I switch from stable to testing? will changing the occurences in source.list, and doing an aptitude update and aptitude upgrade do the job? |
| 12:47.03 | abrotman | !tell oo_miguel about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 12:49.49 | oo_miguel | thank you abrotman |
| 12:49.53 | nygal | i've just installed debian 6 , it comes with kernel 2.6.x how can i upgare my kernel to 3.2.x ? |
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| 12:50.02 | abrotman | !tell nygal about bpo |
| 12:51.12 | nygal | abrotman: thx |
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| 12:55.50 | pkkm | Is it safe to automatically remove files in /tmp that haven't been accessed in several days? |
| 12:56.53 | pkkm | (Debian 6 server with nginx (WWW), postfix & Dovecot (mail), MySQL and PHP) |
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| 12:58.21 | caravel | pkkm: it *might* be. I'd first go down runlevel and very careful. Why do you want to remove these ? |
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| 12:58.55 | hfuist | how can one format *.img disk images? |
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| 13:00.28 | caravel | hfuist: same as you loop mount it ? |
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| 13:00.36 | mmnicolas | hfuist: same way you do with a device |
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| 13:02.04 | pkkm | caravel: The server will likely run for months without reboot, and some people have reported that /tmp can sometimes excess 5 GiB in long periods. I'm considering running a program like tmpwatch ( http://linux.die.net/man/8/tmpwatch ). |
| 13:02.09 | hfuist | partitioning with fdisk works the same way, but how do I address the different partitions to format? |
| 13:02.32 | pkkm | caravel: do you think it's a bad idea? |
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| 13:04.38 | NetEcho | is iceweasle in squeeze up to date with firefox? |
| 13:04.57 | themill | NetEcho: squeeze is a stable release. Packages don't change. |
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| 13:05.19 | NetEcho | I see |
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| 13:06.11 | caravel | pkkm: yes, that's be a better way to go -- I think tmpwatch is installed by default in eg. fedora. In debian I'm not sure, but tmpreaper is in the repo (never used it) |
| 13:06.36 | themill | dpkg: tell NetEcho about iceweasel backports |
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| 13:08.17 | pkkm | caravel: ok, thanks. |
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| 13:09.05 | NetEcho | themill, I'm trying to be up to date with Firefox 14 for plugins ect |
| 13:09.46 | WormFood | I have a bunch of disk images that some retard made into winimage self-extracting files. Is there anything under Linux that will extract the disk images from this windows exe? |
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| 13:13.13 | psiklops | hi. Hi am looking for a tool (evt. GUI) to monitor my UMTS Connetions |
| 13:13.19 | nygal | how can i install KDE 4.8.4 on debian 6 ? |
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| 13:14.33 | NetEcho | themill, is there a PPA available for the non testing versions of firefox? I.e. 14 not 17 |
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| 13:17.19 | xispirito | these new numeration system of firefox versions is totally ridiculous o.0 |
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| 13:18.12 | themill | NetEcho: umm... that's exactly what dpkg told you about |
| 13:18.18 | grobda24 | ok, I found it, it was just the test_patches options that I had to set |
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| 13:18.36 | NetEcho | themill, dpkg gave me a link for iceweasle |
| 13:18.39 | themill | nygal: you don't. But you can upgrade to wheezy and help test out the upcoming release |
| 13:18.44 | grobda24 | man ! my machine is rocking on this 4 core/process build :D |
| 13:18.47 | themill | NetEcho: same thing |
| 13:19.01 | NetEcho | themill, so 3.6 is 14? |
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| 13:19.20 | themill | NetEcho: what? no. 14 is 14. |
| 13:19.25 | xispirito | lol |
| 13:19.35 | NetEcho | themill, iceweasle is version 3.6 I wan't firefox version 14 |
| 13:19.43 | themill | NetEcho: so do what dpkg told you |
| 13:19.48 | grobda24 | WormFood: I usually use something running under WINE like winrar |
| 13:19.55 | oo_miguel | aptitude upgrade = safe-upgrade or full-upgrade? |
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| 13:20.10 | themill | oo_miguel: the man page will tell you that it's safe-upgrade |
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| 13:21.33 | NetEcho | themill, I already have the BPO iceweasle which is reading as 3.5 |
| 13:21.37 | nsadmin | NetEcho, you;d have to install firefox yourself... debian distributes iceweasel -only- |
| 13:21.47 | oo_miguel | themill: thank you, I was unable to find that one on the man page actually |
| 13:21.56 | oo_miguel | maybe did not look hard enough ;) |
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| 13:25.15 | themill | NetEcho: as dpkg said, bpo has version 10, mozilla.debian.net has version 14. |
| 13:25.32 | NetEcho | yea I got version 10 now |
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| 13:39.48 | grobda24 | Any musicians here ? Have you had to change any of the Debian rt kernel symbols for optimisation ? |
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| 13:43.18 | WormFood | grobda24, I was looking for a non-windows solution (I sorta doubt winrar will handle it, but winimage will). |
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| 13:47.18 | Losowski | WormFood: 'dd' |
| 13:47.59 | WormFood | Losowski, and what exactly will that do to help me? |
| 13:48.26 | WormFood | Losowski, dd is a conversion tool, but it does not do the type of conversions that I need. |
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| 13:51.24 | Losowski | WormFood: I was unable to see your earlier messages. What are you attempting to convert from / to ? |
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| 13:52.15 | WormFood | winimage self-extracting exe to whatever it contains. Usually an .ima or .imz (same thing, ima = image, imz = gzip compressed image) |
| 13:52.26 | WormFood | whatever it contains = disk image. |
| 13:52.57 | WormFood | I can install winimage, and open the .exe files, like a disk image, and then save them....but damn, I don't want to do that crap for 100 images or more. |
| 13:53.30 | WormFood | I want a linux program, that runs from the command line, that I can use like a normal tool under Linux. I don't want to use windows or any stupid gui crap. |
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| 13:55.30 | afsal | what is means "Help the Debian Installer team: test the new version of the installer!" |
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| 13:56.25 | Losowski | Initially though, from a Winimage .exe file, you will need Winimage for it. Otherwise, for creating, copying disk image files from scratch, 'dd' servers the purpose just fine |
| 13:56.37 | Losowski | *serves |
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| 13:57.05 | afsal | what is means "Help the Debian Installer team: test the new version of the installer!". How can i help them |
| 13:57.05 | boodie | Hi: a very trivial thing. My USB camera doesn't work (Canon Powershot A520, generally known to work). I suspect that this is because, as a normal user, I am not part of the group 'camera' ... how do I add myself to the group? |
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| 13:57.36 | WormFood | Losowski, "cat", and "cp" will also work just as well as dd. |
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| 13:58.29 | afsal | what it means "Help the Debian Installer team: test the new version of the installer!". How can i help them |
| 13:58.31 | WormFood | I had tried unzip on the .exe before, but it didn't work, but now it seems to work. I'm gonna test the integrity of the files it has given me, and see if I can use them. |
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| 13:58.58 | WormFood | afsal, I'd guess by trying it out, and giving them feedback (including bug reports) |
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| 13:59.34 | afsal | WormFood: About debian?? |
| 13:59.39 | afsal | WormFood: About debian installer?? |
| 13:59.45 | WormFood | if unzip will do the trick, then I can script the hell out of it |
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| 13:59.54 | WormFood | yeah, about the install portion |
| 13:59.56 | gnarface | WormFood: it depends on the type of zip, some of them are basically just self-executing zip files that are still 100% zip compatible for extraction |
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| 14:00.19 | WormFood | gnarface, have you ever used a winimage self-extracting exe? |
| 14:00.28 | gnarface | WormFood: i feel like i've had luck with cabextract on some of the other type, but i could be wrong |
| 14:00.48 | WormFood | it is more than just a self compressed zip. It has a program that will also format the floppy (assuming thats what you're dealing with) |
| 14:01.13 | WormFood | gnarface, I've used cabextract for cabs. Never tried it on anything else. Good idea tho, thanks for mentioning it. |
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| 14:04.48 | stan_ | boodie: I think usermod will do this for you, see its man page |
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| 14:13.54 | Waxhead | I am running Squeeze with tightvncserver. I installed xfce4 and everything was working perfectly. However - I tried to install the xfce4-netload-plugin and when I tried to add it to the xfce panel tightvncserver segfaults. Restarting tightvncserver does not work (segfaults) unless I reboot and it crash once I try to open a window... say a terminal. xfce works with a xserver (xming) trough ssh as a alternative. I need help troubleshooting this |
| 14:14.02 | Waxhead | PS! (amd64) |
| 14:15.30 | Waxhead | PS#2! I also uninstalled the xfce-netload-plugin with aptitude. No improvement. |
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| 14:16.46 | WormFood | Waxhead, I know this does not answer your question, but try NX instead of vnc/tightvnc. Since I've discovered NX, I'll never go back to vnc/tightvnc. |
| 14:17.33 | Waxhead | WormFood: yeah - heard of it. I can always google it a bit more :) |
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| 14:20.11 | WormFood | Waxhead, it is rather nice. well worth the time to check out |
| 14:20.16 | Waxhead | WormFood: Are the packages in the official debian repos ? |
| 14:22.39 | boodie | Hi, I'm going mad with a camera Canon Powershot A520 ... (it's a USB PTP job). Digikam, gphoto, nothing works. I used digikam a while ago and it worked, but I updated various times ever since. It should be seen as a USB mass storage. Output of dmesg | less | grep usb http://paste.debian.net/184411/ |
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| 14:23.42 | themill | boodie: if it's a UMS device -- are you in the "plugdev" group? |
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| 14:24.46 | Losowski | boodie: In Digikam, try this: Import->Cameras and you will see your images to download. Works well with my Canon Powershot |
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| 14:26.48 | boodie | Losowski: error message = impossible to connect with the camera ... etc |
| 14:26.57 | Losowski | oh |
| 14:26.58 | boodie | I tried 100 times |
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| 14:28.48 | boodie | Nothing |
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| 14:30.04 | boodie | Losowski: the camera is recognized, then it blocks |
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| 14:31.18 | Losowski | boodie, try this. shut the camera off, disconnect your USB cable. Then reconnect it, and try that menu command again. It's a possibility. |
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| 14:34.29 | boodie | No way |
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| 14:35.11 | Devastator | Is it possible to give a specific ttyUSB number by vid/pid? |
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| 14:35.55 | boodie | OK I give up, thanks - turning to WinXP |
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| 14:38.43 | Devastator | I'm asking this because I will use a usb-to-serial cable under wine and symlink ttyUSB to com1, but I'm worried ttyUSB number changes while plugging the cable in other usb ports |
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| 14:40.53 | Flynn | how do i mount a hard drive in debian? |
| 14:41.06 | Flynn | external storage i guess you can call it |
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| 14:42.06 | Flynn | oh nvm i got it |
| 14:42.11 | boudiccas | Flynn: is it usb? if so, it should auto-mount |
| 14:42.16 | Flynn | it always automounts, its just thunr is a piece of shit |
| 14:42.19 | Flynn | yea |
| 14:42.27 | Flynn | boudiccas, it was saying exo-utils couldn't be found |
| 14:42.33 | Flynn | and i have the most updated form of exo utils |
| 14:42.39 | Flynn | so i was going to mount manually |
| 14:42.53 | Flynn | just to find out the problem was on thunars end, and pcmanfm worked just fine |
| 14:42.55 | Flynn | thanks though |
| 14:43.22 | boudiccas | Flynn: try nautilus, instead of thuinar, its better |
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| 14:43.54 | Flynn | is that the one Gnomebuntu uses |
| 14:44.18 | boudiccas | dont know about gnombuntu, but gnome does use it |
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| 14:44.27 | Flynn | yea |
| 14:44.32 | Flynn | theres a new fork of it i heard |
| 14:44.35 | Flynn | called Nemo |
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| 14:44.46 | Flynn | that was made for Linux mint, heard its going to be nice |
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| 14:55.45 | JosefAssad | I just installed stable with netinst, then went up to testing then unstable. I can't see gitosis in the package archive via apt-get, but I see it here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/gitosis . Am I missing something in my packages.list? It's posted here: http://pastebin.com/rymnw3gq |
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| 14:56.25 | boudiccas | ,v gitosis |
| 14:56.26 | judd | Package: gitosis on i386 -- lenny: 0.2+20080825-2; squeeze: 0.2+20090917-11 |
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| 14:56.43 | JosefAssad | hm |
| 14:56.57 | JosefAssad | so it's not in unstable? Isn't unstable sid? |
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| 14:58.56 | themill | ,bug 641010 |
| 14:58.57 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/641010 in ftp.debian.org (done): «RM: gitosis/experimental -- RoM; superseded by gitolite»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-09-09; last modified: 2011-10-23. |
| 14:59.11 | JosefAssad | oh, I see |
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| 14:59.39 | JosefAssad | thank you themill and boudiccas |
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| 14:59.58 | themill | no worries, have fun! |
| 15:00.02 | vbajpai | if I write to /tmp/mydir, does it still use the ramdisk? my /tmp is mouted as tmpfs |
| 15:00.06 | vbajpai | *mounted |
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| 15:03.59 | un214 | so HQ has decided to crack down on machines not having antivirus |
| 15:04.10 | un214 | what AV is good for debian? |
| 15:04.35 | Devastator | hq? |
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| 15:05.12 | un214 | corporate headquarters |
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| 15:05.49 | Devastator | i've never used antivirus on linux machines as i don't feel a need for it |
| 15:05.57 | un214 | neither do I |
| 15:06.40 | boudiccas | un214: clamav |
| 15:07.20 | Losowski | Devastator: Same here, Iptables is enough for me, no AV necessary |
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| 15:08.13 | un214 | anybody tried this: http://www.avast.com/linux-home-edition |
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| 15:08.58 | boudiccas | un214: clamav is in the repos |
| 15:09.08 | un214 | I don't doubt it |
| 15:09.20 | Devastator | Losowski yep, it's unlikely to be hit by a malware, it's even fun to open a unknown .exe |
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| 15:10.21 | Devastator | un214 have you tried to explain that AV under linux is overkill and unuseful as chances of getting something is less than 1%?! |
| 15:10.21 | un214 | maybe that's because the action of "open unknown exe" tends to open a PE dump program rather than run the exe |
| 15:10.42 | Losowski | Ah, the excellent Unix oriented file permissions, etc ;) |
| 15:10.58 | un214 | after the CEO gets a virus and freaks logic is not useful |
| 15:11.18 | Devastator | so teach linux to him |
| 15:11.38 | Devastator | or drop your job and find one with a smarter CEO |
| 15:11.39 | un214 | lost cause |
| 15:11.49 | Flynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.56 | Waxhead | un214: why not just install clamav - there you go! |
| 15:11.57 | un214 | maybe I should point out the lone DOS box doesn't have AV either |
| 15:12.09 | un214 | Waxhead: that's probably what I'm going to end up doing |
| 15:13.09 | Waxhead | un214: I use avast for winblows - works pretty great. Does not slow down much either. How it is on *nix I do not know. |
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| 15:18.21 | nixit | Салют. |
| 15:18.33 | Rosenzweig|Deb | So the free drivers, as of right now, do not use OpenGL 3.x? |
| 15:18.42 | ompaul | !ru |
| 15:18.43 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 15:19.19 | nixit | Ебаные пиндосы... |
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| 15:20.32 | whatta | hi |
| 15:20.37 | Flynn | whats a good program to burn ISO's on Linux (not xfburn because its being a piece of poop) |
| 15:20.38 | nixit | Hellow |
| 15:20.55 | ompaul | Flynn: you want k3b |
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| 15:20.58 | jackk | Hi, I have an empty directory and am unable to remove it. I am the owner of it, and it belongs to my group and I have Read + Write access. How do I remove it? |
| 15:21.10 | un214 | ругаться не поможет |
| 15:21.28 | whatta | what can i do to move my /root directory to /home/root? is moving the dir and editing /etc/passwd file enough ? |
| 15:21.30 | un214 | jackk: what does rmdir say? |
| 15:21.42 | nixit | un214, это порыв души... |
| 15:21.51 | un214 | whatta: yes; however root's home dir is on / rather than / home for a good reason |
| 15:22.02 | whatta | un214: what reaseon? |
| 15:22.07 | whatta | *reason |
| 15:22.19 | nixit | jackk, rm -rf / - it's reeal working! |
| 15:22.23 | un214 | system recovery breaks if root's home dir is not on / filesystem in some cases |
| 15:23.12 | whatta | what i need is to have the root dir on the /home partition. So i can recover from a backup without having to backup the root dir each time. |
| 15:23.25 | sney | jackk: don't do what nixit said. what error are you getting |
| 15:23.29 | un214 | whatta: what is in /root that needs backing up |
| 15:23.38 | jackk | Managed to remove it using rmdir, sorry I am new to Linux... |
| 15:23.50 | sney | ok |
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| 15:24.01 | whatta | un214: stuff, some config text files, some isos (debian/slack/gentoo etc) some gpg keys |
| 15:24.26 | un214 | whatta: considering certain recommendations, it's probably just fine to do so if you have a rescue CD handy |
| 15:24.30 | whatta | un214: it's just more than 2 GB |
| 15:24.45 | sney | whatta: better idea - move those things to another user's home directory and stop logging in as root |
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| 15:24.49 | whatta | un214: i use dd (i have a backup of the / partition) |
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| 15:25.22 | un214 | sney: considering his list he normally does |
| 15:25.34 | whatta | sney: i need to login as root. for example for the net. i use iw/ifconfig to do net switching etcetera |
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| 15:26.03 | un214 | the only thing I didn't expect was the iso images |
| 15:26.46 | whatta | un214: they stay in the /root dir so no compromised user can mess them. (the same for the gpg distro keys) |
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| 15:27.35 | un214 | whatta: my solution was to make a /home/rootarch and keep everything I wanted to preserve there |
| 15:28.01 | whatta | un214: what does 'arch' stay for ? |
| 15:28.05 | un214 | archive |
| 15:28.13 | whatta | ah :D |
| 15:28.55 | whatta | good advice. thanks |
| 15:28.58 | sney | whatta: that's what 'sudo' and/or 'su -c' are fore |
| 15:29.13 | whatta | sney: indeed is use sudo. |
| 15:29.20 | whatta | sudo bash |
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| 15:30.17 | whatta | bye |
| 15:30.19 | themill | whatta: itym "sudo -i" |
| 15:30.33 | whatta | 'itym' ? |
| 15:30.45 | themill | I think you mean |
| 15:31.32 | whatta | themill: what 's the difference between "sudo -i bash" and "sudo bash" ? bash history seems ok (it's the root one when i use sudo bash) |
| 15:33.30 | cardamon | Is nvidia-settings just a front-end for making Xorg configs? |
| 15:33.43 | un214 | whatta: I'm pretty sure -i runs the root profile |
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| 15:34.05 | whatta | ah, you mean 'sudo -i' (not 'sudo -i bash' ) . reading the sudo man page it seems that it's the same that sudo bash |
| 15:35.54 | tharkun | !ping |
| 15:35.54 | dpkg | Sorry tharkun, you're not online. |
| 15:35.55 | whatta | cardamon: i dont think so. |
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| 15:36.32 | whatta | cardamon: that program is used to configure nvidia card peculiarities. Like performance (speed) vs quality etc. |
| 15:37.23 | whatta | cardamon: you need nvidia-xconfig to automatically config Xorg to use your nvidia card |
| 15:37.37 | cardamon | Does it work with noveau or just the proprietary nvidia driver? |
| 15:37.39 | whatta | !ping |
| 15:37.39 | dpkg | Yes, whatta you are either online or you are not... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 15:38.01 | sney | cardamon: only the proprietary driver. nouveau follows normal Xorg conventions |
| 15:38.20 | sney | cardamon: also, nvidia-xconfig isn't even necessary; the only thing you need is to tell X to use the driver, and everything else is automatic |
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| 15:38.57 | cardamon | whatta: not really. I'm wanting to fiddle with vsync and vblank, and I'd like to not mess with a program whose usage I don't understand so much as a config I can try and change back again. |
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| 15:39.34 | khaije|minder | how is the state of cgroups on debian, useful, up-to-date a/o stable? |
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| 15:40.07 | whatta | cardamon: if you are using nvidia driver (so, *not* nouveau) you can test nvidia-settings. if you mess up the things you can delete the .file of nvidia-settings in you home directory |
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| 15:40.11 | lvh | Hi |
| 15:40.30 | lvh | I'm looking for a process supervisor. I can't decide between supervisord, monit, runit and friends. Opinions? |
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| 15:41.22 | stan_ | Hi, what's a reasonable size for the rootfs (/usr, /var, /tmp, and /home lie on a separate partition)? |
| 15:41.36 | whatta | nvidia-settings save his config in your home directory. So, to reset it to normal/default config you only need to delete the config file. (something like ~/.nvidia-settings or ~/.nvsomething or similar ) |
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| 15:42.34 | cardamon | stan_: There's really no hard guideline. I have a seperate /home and / respectively, with 30GB in /. I do fine. |
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| 15:42.53 | sambagirl | morning. can you use wubi to install debian in windows 7 sucessfully? |
| 15:42.58 | cardamon | stan_: That's a level of micromanagement I've never needed. |
| 15:43.14 | tharkun | Whoever can take a look at the offlineimap factoid, the link offered there is no longer valid. Thanks (/me tried to edit and the bot kicked my butt) |
| 15:43.15 | sambagirl | can you do a netinstall? |
| 15:43.22 | cardamon | sambagirl: What's wubi? |
| 15:43.29 | csr20 | Hi everyone, I'm trying to write a script that starts a given daemon on boot but I would like it to be run as a given use, not root user, I'm trying to use the command: daemon -u $MY_USER but it tells me that only root can do that, did anyone had that prblem before? |
| 15:44.04 | khaije|minder | stan_: if possible you should make use of lvm, so that you can modify partition sizes to your convenience (particularly when used with dynamically-resizable filesystem like ext3/4) |
| 15:44.07 | sney | stan_: I have a fileserver deployed on a 8GB SSD with /home on a raid array and that's fine |
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| 15:44.25 | whatta | cardamon / stan_ : i have the same separation as cardamon but i managed to use only 5GB for / partition when i dont use gnome/kde stuff |
| 15:44.26 | stan_ | well, i used guided partitioning and my / partition is 300M, when aptitude tried to install a new kernel, it failed, so I have to resize it... |
| 15:44.34 | cardamon | sambagirl: And probably. Are you talking about a VM? As for installing, you have to understand that either you can pinch of space by partitioning and run Windows and Linux side by side (but not at the same time) on the same system, or you can just erase the Windows partition. |
| 15:44.36 | sambagirl | wubi is a windows installer that allows you to install a sort of install of the os and it creates a directory in windows and you can at boot time choose or select your startup environment. |
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| 15:45.06 | themill | tharkun: done |
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| 15:45.20 | cardamon | sambagirl: Ah. It sounds like rather than using a discrete partition it uses something like a squashfs. I think it would work, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 15:45.26 | sambagirl | well i made a mistake i should not have installed windows on here so i think i will just start over since i only did it this morning and do a net install |
| 15:45.46 | cardamon | Installing Windows is usually a mistake. :P |
| 15:45.57 | sambagirl | i had intended to try to learn windows 7 but i think it's way to hard to learn :D |
| 15:46.14 | nsadmin | sambagirl, if you don't want windows that seems reasonable... then you would install grub in the mbr |
| 15:46.16 | sambagirl | i'm a linux girl so it's hard for me to think in windows actually |
| 15:46.25 | sambagirl | yes i will just start from scratch thanks |
| 15:46.27 | sambagirl | bbl |
| 15:46.39 | nsadmin | and set time to utc |
| 15:46.50 | tharkun | themill: thanks |
| 15:46.57 | cardamon | sambagirl: There's not much to learn. Just think of linux, and remove all reason and accountability. |
| 15:47.03 | sambagirl | :D |
| 15:47.37 | sambagirl | what i think i will do this morning before i insetall debian i think i will install osx on this laptop and just play with that for a minute and then move foward just for fun. |
| 15:47.39 | sambagirl | thanks |
| 15:47.49 | sney | windows runs ok inside virtualbox, so if you want to learn it, just virtualize |
| 15:48.06 | sambagirl | yep i use vmware and vb for all kinds of things |
| 15:48.18 | cardamon | sney: Indeed. I have a Win7 VM for just one reason...to watch Netflix. |
| 15:48.25 | sambagirl | and if i really need to use windows i can just run vm of reactos which works best |
| 15:49.10 | nsadmin | sambagirl, great :) it's good to know exactly what you want |
| 15:49.57 | tharkun | themill: the previous url is still on the Homepage: attribute of offlineimap on squeeze. How does that gets reported so it can be also fixed? |
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| 15:50.32 | themill | tharkun: it's fixed for wheezy; not likely to be fixed in squeeze |
| 15:50.47 | tharkun | themill: ok, I can live with that :) |
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| 15:52.23 | sambagirl | what i find interesting about windows 7 and vista is how you have to "elevate" to do something. i guess that is their alternative to sudo bash |
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| 15:53.00 | nsadmin | what's elevate for that context? |
| 15:53.14 | sney | yeah, the old XP-and-earlier system of "lol my account is administrator" was more trouble than it's worth, so they created UAC, and that's completely offtopic for #debian |
| 15:53.21 | nsadmin | oh, to run commandline as admin user? |
| 15:54.24 | cardamon | is watching old episodes of Reboot. |
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| 15:54.38 | sambagirl | umm i dont know |
| 15:54.42 | cardamon | sney: Everybody admin all the time. >_> |
| 15:54.47 | sambagirl | personally i liked Windows ME :D |
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| 15:55.07 | sney | !offtopic |
| 15:55.07 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 15:55.09 | sambagirl | i had to reinstall it every other day though :) |
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| 15:56.22 | nsadmin | sambagirl, so the topic police are whining at you... |
| 15:56.56 | benedikt | I'm trying to build a very simple NAT with iptables. 192.168.0.0/24 is my local network. this is what i have accomplished so far: |
| 15:56.59 | benedikt | http://pastebin.ca/2196155 |
| 15:57.10 | benedikt | this works, but it NAT's too much. |
| 15:57.27 | nsadmin | benedikt, what do you mean too much? |
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| 15:57.40 | nsadmin | and if it works, are you not done? |
| 15:58.07 | benedikt | the NATting machine is 192.168.0.1. If some computer from within the NAT tries to use e.g. the DNS service on 192.168.0.1:53, this is routed to external-ip:53 |
| 15:58.21 | benedikt | and it routes localhost:53 to external-ip:53 |
| 15:58.41 | nsadmin | it routes localhost? |
| 15:58.48 | benedikt | yes |
| 15:59.28 | nsadmin | that's not supposed to happen ever... I guess it can be done but shouldn't |
| 15:59.46 | benedikt | it's really strange. |
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| 16:00.01 | nsadmin | so what I hear you saying is it's overzealous |
| 16:00.05 | benedikt | this is what ahppens: http://pastebin.ca/2196158 |
| 16:00.26 | benedikt | nsadmin: nice word. yes. |
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| 16:00.37 | nsadmin | name the machine that's acting as gw |
| 16:01.12 | benedikt | name it in what context? |
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| 16:01.29 | benedikt | hostname is mathom, the one shown in the latter pastebin |
| 16:01.29 | nsadmin | at minimum, in context of this conversation |
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| 16:02.17 | nsadmin | benedikt, ok how many physical net connections does mathom have? |
| 16:02.21 | benedikt | two |
| 16:02.30 | benedikt | atply named eth2 and eth3 |
| 16:02.31 | nsadmin | ok, eth0 and 1? |
| 16:02.36 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 16:02.52 | benedikt | eth3 is the local network and eth2 are the interwebs. |
| 16:03.08 | nsadmin | so eth2 has the default route? |
| 16:03.11 | benedikt | haven't really gotten around to renaming it |
| 16:03.14 | benedikt | yes |
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| 16:04.11 | nsadmin | ok... name a machine you're using inside (i.e. connected to a hub or switch off of mathom's eth2) |
| 16:04.35 | benedikt | 192.168.0.2 |
| 16:04.50 | nsadmin | ok, we can call it .2? |
| 16:05.58 | benedikt | you can call it Margret for all i care, but .2 is fine and dandy :) |
| 16:06.49 | nsadmin | ok. does .2 have any iptables rules? |
| 16:06.56 | benedikt | no, none. |
| 16:07.15 | nsadmin | ok, so the only rules are the ones on mathom |
| 16:07.18 | benedikt | there is even a windows machine behind the NAT |
| 16:07.21 | benedikt | correct |
| 16:07.40 | nsadmin | ok, that part sounds good |
| 16:08.04 | nsadmin | what os is mathom running? |
| 16:08.16 | benedikt | a pretty vanilla debian setup so far |
| 16:08.24 | nsadmin | which release? |
| 16:08.45 | benedikt | testing |
| 16:09.24 | nsadmin | hmm. I fore-ported ipmasq from lenny to squeeze; ipmasq should do what you want |
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| 16:10.33 | sney | last time I set up a nat box, I used shorewall so I didn't have to teach my brain to parse iptables |
| 16:10.39 | sney | human readable syntax yay |
| 16:10.45 | untrusted | !ferm |
| 16:10.45 | dpkg | ferm (For Easy Rule Making) is a frontend for <iptables> to maintain and set up complicated firewall rules. http://wiki.debian.org/ferm http://ferm.foo-projects.org/ #ferm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:10.48 | Diopter | iptables isn't that bad if you work with it every day. |
| 16:11.18 | Diopter | Much like any other *n?x thing |
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| 16:11.53 | nsadmin | it's mainly the model it uses, the shape of how the in/out/forward is connected that you have to learn |
| 16:12.32 | jhutchins_wk | D. Ranch's howto on tldp.org is pretty good. |
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| 16:12.51 | Diopter | nsadmin, benedikt: I'm late to the party, but it sounds like we're doing a very simple 2-NIC gateway machine that SNATs the machine's behind it |
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| 16:12.57 | Diopter | Also, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Netfilter-packet-flow.svg |
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| 16:13.26 | nsadmin | dang!! I lost my foreport of ipmasq? |
| 16:13.29 | Diopter | ^ most up-to-date "official" flow diagram for iptables/ebtables/bridge-utils |
| 16:13.53 | Diopter | nsadmin: What does ipmasq do, and why do you think you need it? |
| 16:14.08 | nsadmin | wait, I know where it might be |
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| 16:14.49 | nsadmin | Diopter, they had it up to lenny. it looks at interface, then calculates a firewall and writes it to whatever ip* rules you got |
| 16:15.28 | Diopter | benedikt: Can you pastie a few things on your gateway and client machines? I can tell you exactly what to do and what's wrong if I see their configs |
| 16:16.11 | nsadmin | I have three interfaces instead of two, and ipmasq just did it |
| 16:16.35 | Diopter | benedikt: Specifically: "ip a; ip r; iptables-save; sysctl -q net.ipv4.ip_forward" |
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| 16:17.09 | jhutchins_wk | use the pastebin please. |
| 16:17.11 | Diopter | nsadmin: Sounds neat, but about the same level as ufw/ferm/shorewall/etc. The rulesets they make are generally more convoluted than doing it yourself |
| 16:17.14 | Simone | ciao |
| 16:17.35 | nsadmin | Simone, !list BAD. |
| 16:17.44 | Simone | list |
| 16:17.56 | nsadmin | see? doesn't do anything. |
| 16:17.59 | Simone | !list |
| 16:17.59 | dpkg | simone: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:18.29 | Simone | e cosa cè li? |
| 16:18.55 | Simone | Ciao |
| 16:19.00 | Simone | !list |
| 16:19.00 | dpkg | simone: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:20.10 | nsadmin | anyway, found my foreport. |
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| 16:21.17 | nsadmin | Diopter, once your interfaces are set up (and set to auto, NOT allow-hotplug), no other setup is needed. |
| 16:21.19 | nyuszika7h | help |
| 16:21.20 | nyuszika7h | Aug 18 18:20:13 cadoth sudo: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_systemd.so): /lib/security/pam_systemd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:21.21 | nyuszika7h | Aug 18 18:20:13 cadoth sudo: PAM adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_systemd.so |
| 16:21.28 | nyuszika7h | happens with sshd too |
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| 16:21.31 | nyuszika7h | and one user can't log in |
| 16:22.20 | themill | nyuszika7h: do you have a mixture of squeeze and wheezy there? |
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| 16:22.27 | nyuszika7h | yes :( |
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| 16:22.45 | nyuszika7h | are there any packages I could upgrade/downgrade to fix that? |
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| 16:24.44 | themill | nyuszika7h: all of them... |
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| 16:25.24 | xispirito | the libhell =D |
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| 16:25.46 | nyuszika7h | lol |
| 16:25.50 | nyuszika7h | I'm upgrading some pam libs now |
| 16:25.58 | Diopter | nsadmin: I like the idea of automatic configuration systems like that, but my experience and job have shown me that they tend to be either stupid, fragile, or both. So if you confuse them, it's usually very difficult to manually troubleshoot and fix |
| 16:26.14 | themill | well... squeeze works and wheezy works and if you're lucky, random mixtures of the two might work... if it does that's your good luck but we don't really want to know |
| 16:26.34 | Diopter | nsadmin: I'll check it out sometime though. |
| 16:27.08 | nsadmin | Diopter, ipmasq is in lenny and out of squeeze; I have the ported stuff |
| 16:27.24 | nsadmin | if you like I'll tar it up and send it over |
| 16:28.20 | nsadmin | there are options to restart it in cases like when the cable modem says "oh, your IP is changing" |
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| 16:28.32 | nyuszika7h | yay worked |
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| 16:28.55 | benedikt | nsadmin: i'll check out ipmasq |
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| 16:29.09 | nsadmin | do you want the squeeze one? |
| 16:29.30 | untrusted | though ipmasq is dead? |
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| 16:29.40 | untrusted | ~s/though/thought |
| 16:29.45 | nsadmin | untrusted, unfortunately |
| 16:29.54 | untrusted | switched from ipmasq to ferm |
| 16:30.08 | untrusted | i really recommend ferm |
| 16:30.49 | benedikt | Diopter: http://pastebin.ca/2196169 |
| 16:30.59 | benedikt | informative graphic.. |
| 16:31.18 | benedikt | nsadmin: sure |
| 16:33.08 | nsadmin | ok... the changes were mostly about insserv, and part of that, is your interfaces have to be set to auto (which runs them in foreground) and not allow-hotplug (which runs them in the background and goes on with the boot process, and ipmasq therefore sees the interfaces too late) |
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| 16:33.26 | Diopter | benedikt: Your gateway's ruleset is pretty much fine. You've got an APIPA route (169.254.0.0/16) in there, which is odd, but shouldn't matter. However, the other thing you're doing is running a very blanket -j MASQUERADE rule |
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| 16:33.47 | xispirito | talking about firewalls...and layer7? |
| 16:34.02 | Diopter | benedikt: I'd "iptables -t nat -F POSTROUTING && iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE" |
| 16:34.14 | nsadmin | Diopter, the blanket rule may explain why localhost is routed :) |
| 16:34.33 | Diopter | benedikt: Can you also pastebin /etc/hosts? |
| 16:35.00 | Diopter | nsadmin: Eh, shouldn't, no. It's just saying "whatever interface you go out of, masquerade the source address to that interface, regardless of where the traffic came from" |
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| 16:35.46 | Diopter | nsadmin: Which could cause issues with certain traffic paths, but localhost shouldn't be involved in that, as it's not exiting an interface besides lo. |
| 16:36.09 | Diopter | Unless there's a DNS entry for "localhost", so that points me to an oddly setup /etc/hosts :P |
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| 16:39.08 | benedikt | Diopter: that actually fixed it |
| 16:39.15 | untrusted | is there a popcon-graph version with svg output? |
| 16:39.15 | benedikt | and /etc/hosts is fine, that was my first guess |
| 16:39.19 | Diopter | benedikt: Awesome. |
| 16:39.43 | benedikt | so my MASQUERADE rule was too lax and captured too much traffic? |
| 16:39.45 | Diopter | benedikt: Most likely your blanket MASQUERADE was screwing up localhost traffic |
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| 16:40.43 | Diopter | Something like... source -> lo = lo -> lo after masquerade, response -> source = lo -> lo |
| 16:41.00 | benedikt | now i'll fix the wiki that i followed |
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| 16:43.00 | nyuszika7h | Aug 18 16:41:42 cadoth sshd[1934]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for <IP censored> failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 16:43.07 | nyuszika7h | Aug 18 16:41:42 cadoth sshd[1934]: Postponed publickey for mkaysi from <IP censored> port 32905 ssh2 [preauth] |
| 16:43.09 | nyuszika7h | why is this? |
| 16:43.17 | Mjbmr | Hello everyone, How I can make a VPS on my server? |
| 16:43.36 | nyuszika7h | Mjbmr, that question didn't make any sense. |
| 16:43.48 | nyuszika7h | or do you mean how do you set up Xen/KVM/etc.? |
| 16:44.01 | Mjbmr | yeah |
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| 16:44.23 | Diopter | nyuszika7h: Because the IP making the connection attempt has a different reverse hostname than forward hostname, or no reverse address record at all |
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| 16:44.35 | nyuszika7h | !xen > Mjbmr |
| 16:44.45 | untrusted | !kvm |
| 16:44.46 | dpkg | The Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged for Debian as qemu-kvm since Squeeze. See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:44.47 | Diopter | nyuszika7h: You can disable that sort of thing with "UseDNS no" in sshd_config |
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| 16:45.03 | nyuszika7h | ok |
| 16:45.11 | nyuszika7h | but why is the postponed publickey thing? |
| 16:45.14 | Mjbmr | thanks |
| 16:45.18 | untrusted | !virt-manager |
| 16:45.18 | dpkg | Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) is a desktop user interface for managing virtualized systems. http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/ #virt on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:46.01 | Gekko | Is it possible to tell GRUB where to install using the netinstall image on a USB stick, wheezy? I have a problem with the netinstaller for Wheezy on USB stick installing the GRUB on the wrong partition. The USB stick is always assigned /dev/sda while my hard drive is /dev/sdb. GRUB ends up on /dev/sda |
| 16:46.09 | Diopter | nyuszika7h: Not sure. Maybe related to the lookup failure? Perhaps sshd is set to be strict about those checks succeeding? |
| 16:46.16 | nyuszika7h | no idea |
| 16:46.22 | nyuszika7h | well I have fail2ban |
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| 16:47.22 | Diopter | nyuszika7h: The log message was from sshd though |
| 16:47.26 | Diopter | Shouldn't be related |
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| 16:51.24 | nsadmin | where can I put a smallish tarball of ipmasq so you can see it |
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| 16:52.30 | Gekko | Does pasteall allow those? |
| 16:52.38 | simonlnu | apt-get source ? |
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| 16:53.49 | nsadmin | simonlnu, someone else can upload it to the ftp archive if that's what they want to do... two folks expressed interest, so I wanted to get it to them |
| 16:54.04 | Diopter | nsadmin: What's the size? |
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| 16:54.55 | nsadmin | sec, this isn't making sense |
| 16:55.36 | nsadmin | ok, it's just under a mb |
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| 16:57.12 | Diopter | nsadmin: I can host it somewhere really quickly, just thinking of how you get it to me. Wanna nc it to me? :P |
| 16:58.00 | nsadmin | sure. how do I do that? (you're welcome to pm the details if you want_ |
| 16:58.34 | nsadmin | do I even have nc... |
| 16:58.36 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 17:13.26 | rocketmagnet | hi all, what's that fastest way to switch between iceweasel and the real latest firefox ?? (14.0.1) |
| 17:13.42 | rocketmagnet | without to compile it on my own |
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| 17:14.33 | Losowski | rocketmagnet: apt-get purge iceweasel then go to this site and download the FF which suites you ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/ |
| 17:14.52 | themill | (or just run iceweasel...) |
| 17:14.58 | Losowski | I have FF 14.01 64-bit with flash |
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| 17:16.01 | rocketmagnet | Losowski: that gives me some XCOM error |
| 17:16.09 | Losowski | What does? |
| 17:16.33 | Losowski | You must close out of Iceweasel prior to removing it |
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| 17:18.00 | rockon | rocketmagnet:try also mozilla.debian.net and check it out |
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| 17:20.33 | rocketmagnet | rockon: i'll just compile it myself, i think that's the best idea |
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| 17:21.14 | Losowski | Compile when all the working FF binaries are already available? |
| 17:21.25 | rocketmagnet | Losowski: it gives me an error |
| 17:21.35 | rocketmagnet | mom - i'll give you the error message |
| 17:21.35 | Losowski | When removing? |
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| 17:21.55 | Losowski | What are you doing that invokes the error? |
| 17:22.09 | rocketmagnet | i just want to run it ? |
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| 17:22.34 | Losowski | go into /home/user/firefox |
| 17:22.43 | Losowski | then type: ./firefox |
| 17:22.50 | Losowski | on the konsole |
| 17:23.04 | rocketmagnet | libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:23.04 | rockon | rocketmagnet:what debian version you use? |
| 17:23.05 | rocketmagnet | Couldn't load XPCOM. |
| 17:23.12 | Losowski | first, you must unpack the tar.gz file |
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| 17:23.23 | rocketmagnet | libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:23.25 | rocketmagnet | Couldn't load XPCOM. |
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| 17:24.05 | rocketmagnet | i also tried installing the xulrunner package wich has libxul.so but then i get another error |
| 17:24.21 | Losowski | Perhaps you are attempting to run a 64-bit version on a 32-bit system |
| 17:24.43 | rocketmagnet | i'm here on 64bit |
| 17:24.47 | themill | (perhaps it's better just to use the packaged versions) |
| 17:24.50 | rocketmagnet | the thing seems to be 32bit |
| 17:24.56 | rocketmagnet | but i've ia32-libs installed |
| 17:25.08 | rocketmagnet | shouldn't that solve such issues ? |
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| 17:28.03 | ptrkmj | after upgrading to 3.2.0 kernel from backports XVideo extension is not working (xvinfo doesn't list any adapter). i've noticed this because mplayer refused to scale video (no fullscreen playback). can you help me? |
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| 17:28.44 | rocketmagnet | rockon: 6.0.5 but i get the same error on all squeeze versions I#ve tried |
| 17:30.01 | boudiccas | rocketmagnet: as firefox just works on my squeeze box i can only conclude that yours is slightly different in some way, firefox just works |
| 17:30.01 | jelly-home | ptrkmj: which video driver? |
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| 17:30.49 | rockon | rocketmagnet:do as themill suggested or feel free to run it from /home/user no need to compile |
| 17:31.31 | ptrkmj | jelly-home: nouveau |
| 17:32.12 | jelly-home | ptrkmj: huh, good luck with that one. Is there perhaps also a backported xserver-xorg-video-nouveau present? |
| 17:32.20 | jelly-home | ,v xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 17:32.22 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau on i386 -- squeeze: 1:0.0.15+git20100329+7858345-5; squeeze-backports: 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:0.0.16+git20120322+ab7291d-1; sid: 1:1.0.1-3 |
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| 17:33.16 | rocketmagnet | rockon: forgot about the error ?? |
| 17:33.26 | rockon | ptrkmj:if you run "update-initramfs -u" doesn't help? |
| 17:33.28 | hollenjf | i want to download debian 6.0.5, but it has 52 discs. thats a little nuts |
| 17:33.46 | rocketmagnet | 1-dvd is enouth |
| 17:33.50 | rocketmagnet | os 1-cd |
| 17:33.56 | rocketmagnet | i would use 1-dvd |
| 17:34.04 | jelly-home | ptrkmj: maybe it's like drivers for sandybridge intel, where you have to upgrade both kernel and userspace xorg and dri bits to match |
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| 17:34.25 | engla | hollenjf: you only need one disc, minimally just the netinstall iso |
| 17:34.34 | ptrkmj | jelly-home: i'll try installing version from backports and we'll see |
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| 17:39.43 | heoa | When I download something from Google chrome, it puts things under username:webcontent -- which means I cannot read the content in programs such as R? How can I put R -program into the group web-content? |
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| 17:40.47 | heoa | err solved the prob, sorry noise. |
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| 17:44.42 | Gekko | Okay, I solved my problem: Installed Debian, stopped at GRUB install and restarted the system, booted to the USB stick again, went to rescue mode, started the terminal using /dev/sdb2 as the root filesystem, did grub-install /dev/sdb and update-grub there |
| 17:45.41 | simonlnu | sounds sane |
| 17:46.26 | Gekko | Except now it does not let me login. I either mistyped something or something else broke. Also, apparently nouveau was used by default, which does not work with my currnent GPU |
| 17:46.41 | Gekko | Getting error messages all over my terminal |
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| 17:49.44 | simonlnu | damn :/. you could probably get around it by passing video=vesafb or something |
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| 17:50.57 | Gekko | I'm migrating from Arch linux |
| 17:51.06 | Gekko | Used that for about a year since it was the best system for getting GPU working |
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| 17:53.59 | ptrkmj | jelly-home: should i backport xserver-xorg-video-nouveau or maybe the whole xserver-xorg metapackage? |
| 17:54.24 | jelly-home | ptrkmj: uh, both are already present in squeeze-backports |
| 17:55.14 | jelly-home | asking to -t squeeze-backports install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau ought to pull whatever else it needs |
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| 17:56.22 | ptrkmj | okay |
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| 17:57.53 | carandraug | hi! There used to be a libdps1 package back in Sage. How can I find to what it was renamed? |
| 17:58.26 | carandraug | *Sarge |
| 17:58.31 | zinx | what did it do |
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| 17:59.40 | carandraug | zinx, I want the libraries to display post script |
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| 18:00.18 | carandraug | zinx, I need libdps-dev which had a bunch of headers file. Is there a way to find the package that has a specific file? |
| 18:00.51 | zinx | carandraug: looks like X.org deprecated then removed libdps |
| 18:00.59 | carandraug | looking for dpsXclient.h |
| 18:01.17 | zinx | carandraug: http://dps.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:01.24 | carandraug | zinx, hmmm... must be part of one of thos many x11 dev packages then |
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| 18:01.55 | zinx | carandraug: no, i don't believe that support exists in Debian any more. |
| 18:02.26 | carandraug | zinx, ok. Thank you |
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| 18:02.46 | kimp_ | what is more popular stable or testing? |
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| 18:03.29 | zinx | carandraug: the "obsolete" files on the sf.net page I pointed you to may provide it, but I dunno if they depend on the X.org version |
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| 18:04.34 | jelly-home | kimp_: look at the graphs for versions of popularity-contest package used on http://popcon.debian.org/ and match them against releases |
| 18:04.42 | jelly-home | ,v popularity-contest |
| 18:04.43 | judd | Package: popularity-contest on i386 -- lenny: 1.46; squeeze: 1.49; sid: 1.55; wheezy: 1.55 |
| 18:04.47 | Silence- | kimp_: testing, for workstations. stable, for servers, I'd say. |
| 18:04.57 | Silence- | I run wheezy for my workstation, as it is now frozen. |
| 18:05.07 | Silence- | Works like a charm. |
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| 18:05.35 | jelly-home | and "Statistics per popularity-contest releases" numbers |
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| 18:06.17 | jelly-home | 1.49 (squeeze/stable) : 68740 / 1.55 (testing/unstable) : 22895 / 1.46 (lenny) : 18419 |
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| 18:06.21 | carandraug | zinx, it's ok. I know there is another dependency that will solve it on Debian stable and I will find it |
| 18:06.24 | kimp_ | interesting |
| 18:06.47 | carandraug | zinx, I'm trying to recompile graphicsmagick as I can't use the one on the Debian repos |
| 18:07.05 | zinx | carandraug: why can't you? just compile it without display postscript support |
| 18:07.27 | zinx | carandraug: note that display postscript isn't the same as being able to display normal postscript, by the way |
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| 18:08.17 | jelly-home | I like the exponential falloff for older releases... some systems _never_ get upgraded |
| 18:09.06 | carandraug | zinx, I need to compile it myself because I need support for images with 32bit. And I'm making a guide for others to recompile so I'd like to track all dependencies properly and write a good guide |
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| 18:11.03 | tux__ | hello ... im a little bit new in LVM. i renamed my two lvm partitions and now grub starts in grub-rescue. how can i repair grub? |
| 18:11.12 | zinx | carandraug: the proper thing to do with libdps is to not depend on it at all. it's obsolete. |
| 18:11.49 | kimp_ | jelly-home: what system never been updated? |
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| 18:12.05 | carandraug | zinx, yes. And I know the debian package, despite not working for me, does have support for it (with some other package). So I'm going through it's lists of dependencies looking for it |
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| 18:12.43 | zinx | carandraug: i can assure you that the graphicsmagick package in Debian does not have support for the X display postscript extension |
| 18:13.15 | zinx | carandraug: i would like to reiterate once more that postscript and display postscript are two entirely different things. |
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| 18:13.50 | carandraug | zinx, it doesn't? I assumed that the package would have support for all |
| 18:13.59 | jelly-home | kimp_: those 18k lenny systems, or 4k etch systems |
| 18:14.04 | carandraug | zinx, oh! I didn't notice when you said before they were two different things |
| 18:14.10 | zinx | carandraug: no, it doesn't. as I keep saying, the X display postscript extension is obsolete and doesn'te exist in current Debian |
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| 18:14.46 | zinx | carandraug: it *does* have support for postscript, which I presume it provides via ghostscript |
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| 18:15.59 | carandraug | zinx, ooohhh! Ok. I already have that then. What was nagging me was that when running configure, I get a list of all delegations and support files, and on DPS it shows no |
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| 18:16.36 | zinx | carandraug: yeah, that is ok, DPS is obsolete anyway :) |
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| 18:17.01 | carandraug | zinx, cool. Thank you |
| 18:17.27 | jelly-home | did DPS exist outside of Solaris at all? |
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| 18:18.14 | jelly-home | MacOS' vectorized UI thingy obviously works |
| 18:18.48 | zinx | jelly-home: MacOS uses display postscript afaik |
| 18:19.07 | zinx | jelly-home: the X display postscript extension is obsolete though |
| 18:19.18 | carandraug | jelly-home, it was in the Debian repos a long time ago |
| 18:19.39 | carandraug | jelly-home, yeah. Like zinx said, seems it's no good anymore |
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| 18:36.12 | jason____ | root@p17:/home/jason# mdadm --examine /dev/md0 |
| 18:36.15 | jason____ | mdadm: No md superblock detected on /dev/md0. |
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| 18:37.02 | jason____ | is that bad? for some reason stuff got renamed, and i'd like to reprint/update my config, but seems as though md1 disappeared, as it was renamed to md127, so, removing md1, and adding md127 to my md0 raid6, seems as though now md0 has no superblock info....wtf? |
| 18:37.33 | jason____ | it's resynching right now, when it's finished maybe superblock info will be updated? |
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| 18:37.47 | marsfligth | Hi, can you explain me in short what 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' does? Thanks for reading |
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| 18:38.13 | Gargantua | I have apt-get source'd a certain package and patched it, is there anyway of getting it to stop showing up on apt-get upgrade? |
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| 18:41.23 | babilen | Gargantua: Increase the version number (e.g. "dch -l+local1", read "man dch") |
| 18:41.57 | Gargantua | thanks |
| 18:42.01 | Gargantua | all I needed |
| 18:42.17 | marsfligth | Hi, can you explain me in short what exactly 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' does? |
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| 18:42.36 | Gargantua | [21:38:10] < Gargantua> I have apt-get source'd a certain package and patched it, is there anyway of getting it to stop showing up on apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:42.37 | silverarrow | is there a way to check for packages made in gpkg |
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| 18:42.52 | Gargantua | Sorry, sorry |
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| 18:54.47 | pkkm | Is it better to use syslog or individual log files? |
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| 18:55.54 | xand | that's up to you |
| 18:56.16 | pkkm | What advantages does one have over the other? |
| 18:56.54 | xand | well, one advantage is that with syslog you can send them over the network to a central logging machine. |
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| 18:58.29 | nsadmin | if you were to do that, would you put a log reader/organizer on the central host? or where? |
| 18:58.45 | xand | what do you mean? |
| 18:59.05 | nsadmin | which part? |
| 18:59.09 | xand | I read the logs on the syslog machine |
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| 18:59.29 | nsadmin | let me see... |
| 18:59.39 | nsadmin | , versions analog |
| 18:59.40 | judd | Package: analog on i386 -- lenny: 2:6.0-17~lenny1; squeeze: 2:6.0-19+b1; sid: 2:6.0-19.1; wheezy: 2:6.0-19.1 |
| 18:59.51 | Gargantua | pkkm: I suppose splitting it up into different files makes it easier to debug. |
| 18:59.57 | Gargantua | grep blurs that line though |
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| 19:06.47 | killer_ | i just installed squeeze .i have enabled usb tethering on my android phone.how do i connect it to debian |
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| 19:08.07 | nsadmin | killer_, plug it in, see what happens |
| 19:08.10 | nsadmin | look at the phone |
| 19:08.39 | nsadmin | what's teathering btw? something specific? |
| 19:09.13 | nsadmin | I use the cable to transfer files to/from the phone's microsd card |
| 19:09.33 | killer_ | it shares phone internet on pc........ |
| 19:10.29 | nsadmin | I think you need a specific app on the phone to do tethering |
| 19:10.51 | nsadmin | some carriers like to sell you your net after they already sold you your net |
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| 19:11.43 | killer_ | no.......on ubuntu / fedora all i used 2 do was ifconfig usb0 up |
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| 19:12.36 | nsadmin | on the phone? or? |
| 19:12.47 | epic-flamingo | hi |
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| 19:12.58 | nsadmin | so according to what you just said, you -do- have this tethering |
| 19:13.16 | killer_ | on pc |
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| 19:14.22 | nsadmin | ok, got it... so in your case, you try the ifconfig on usb0, and...? |
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| 19:15.39 | killer_ | it just does n't connect |
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| 19:16.06 | nsadmin | so, if you were to ifconfig -a, would you see usb0? |
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| 19:16.54 | killer_ | i see lo ,eth0 n usb0 |
| 19:17.13 | nsadmin | ok, try dhclient usb0 |
| 19:17.45 | nsadmin | (wild, unsubstanciated, only partially educated guess, yes that's right, GUESS) |
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| 19:18.39 | nsadmin | hope it works tho :) |
| 19:18.58 | killer_ | oh....i completely forgot about dhclient.........n thanx it got the work done |
| 19:19.12 | nsadmin | you mean... |
| 19:19.20 | nsadmin | it -worked-?!! |
| 19:20.02 | killer_ | yea |
| 19:20.10 | nsadmin | awesome!! |
| 19:21.06 | killer_ | i was so stupid.....typin dhclient eth0 up...... |
| 19:21.15 | killer_ | thanx again |
| 19:21.30 | nsadmin | stop that :P never say "I'm stupid" |
| 19:21.47 | nsadmin | always say: I'm AWESOME |
| 19:21.51 | |thunder | are ifup and if down not available ? |
| 19:22.10 | nsadmin | |thunder, to root, yes |
| 19:22.23 | |thunder | ahh |
| 19:22.47 | nsadmin | you can't see them as a plain user because they're in /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 19:23.06 | nsadmin | and for plain users, these dirs don't appear in your PATH |
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| 19:35.32 | legov | i'm setting up a debian system running apache, dokuwiki installed from apt and now i'm adding support for wordpress |
| 19:36.08 | legov | when i go to install libapache2-mod-php5 from apt, it wants to remove dokuwiki because of the php package dependencies |
| 19:36.20 | legov | was it a bad idea to install dokuwiki via apt? |
| 19:37.01 | jacobw | hi, does debian-installer support wireless networking? |
| 19:37.59 | jacobw | sorry, wpa2psk |
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| 19:41.27 | lxsameer | is there any way to force apt to remove everything except of the base system? |
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| 19:43.30 | flash_ | lxsameer, perhaps with dpkg --set-selections, but you'd need a list of what was on there first |
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| 19:45.06 | flash_ | you could install a new base somewhere, get a text file with --get-selections and pipe it to dpkg on the original machine. But it's a fairly high risk strategy |
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| 19:45.39 | nkuttler | lxsameer: try debfoster |
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| 19:51.07 | lxsameer | thanks guys |
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| 19:57.48 | qcd | jacobw: stable does not seem to support network install using wpa2, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#network-cards |
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| 19:59.49 | Caelum | does anyone else not have sound in youtube in firefox? I had this problem 3 years ago and I thought it'd be fixed by now, but nope... |
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| 20:15.31 | linda | ciao |
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| 20:15.46 | linda | !list |
| 20:15.48 | dpkg | linda: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 20:16.32 | cromag | now, i've seen !list SOME times now - mostly from italians i think. What do they expect to revieve ? |
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| 20:17.45 | cromag | or is it just a bot maybe... |
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| 20:21.04 | mafiaboy | hi...i have btrfs filesystem which my debian system(ext3) can't mount |
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| 20:22.03 | Rug | To anybody using irssi; is there some way to to run the equivilent of: /list |grep debian To find channels that have debian in title or description? |
| 20:22.16 | nkuttler | Rug: /msg alis help |
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| 20:23.45 | Gargantua | There's also a grep plugin for irssi |
| 20:23.51 | Rug | nkuttler: /msg alis ???? who/where is alis |
| 20:23.54 | Rug | Gargantua: thanks |
| 20:24.19 | nkuttler | Rug: /help whois, see also #freenode for support with the network |
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| 20:25.41 | mafiaboy | how to mount btrf on debian |
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| 20:30.06 | nkuttler | mafiaboy: get a kernel that supports it and mount it? |
| 20:30.59 | nkuttler | mafiaboy: btw, you should probably stay away from btrfs if you can't figure that out.. |
| 20:31.44 | Gargantua | When Wheezy becomes stable, does apt take care of upgrading the kernel? I've never upgraded. |
| 20:31.51 | Gargantua | I mean, if I wanted to upgrade. |
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| 20:34.30 | mafiaboy | nkuttler : my earlier os was btrf |
| 20:34.58 | mafiaboy | and i still have it's data |
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| 20:35.24 | nkuttler | mafiaboy: huh? how can you have a btrfs install and not know how to mount it? |
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| 20:36.27 | krushik | does somebody use adaptec's raid? |
| 20:36.50 | xand | !anyone |
| 20:36.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 20:40.21 | krushik | arcconf getconfig 1 pd shows me 2 3 Tb drives. all logicaldrives are purged. but when I create raid 1 on those drives with 'max' size it creates logicaldrive with only 759798 MB :( |
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| 20:41.38 | krushik | if I then try to create smth else on it it says 'there is no space available' |
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| 20:41.57 | mhall | Did anybody try out one of the advanced format drives with 4K sectors? |
| 20:42.10 | mhall | Wanted to make sure I wasn't headed for a caneoing session up the River of Fail |
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| 20:45.57 | mhall | Hmm, dead in here today |
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| 20:54.46 | iluminator105 | i was told newer ethernet cards have like what is like a fuse, they short, and you can hard connect internal wires to unshort them, does anyone know more about this |
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| 20:58.22 | flash_ | iluminator105, uh.... is your source reputable or do they think it's April? |
| 21:00.08 | iluminator105 | flash_ as nerdy as they come.....i dont know i can replicate what he does |
| 21:01.02 | flash_ | I'm in no position to deny it, but that sounds bonkers and unlike.y |
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| 21:02.25 | iluminator105 | what can i do use usb network card? |
| 21:02.42 | iluminator105 | permission to pm flash_ |
| 21:02.50 | flash_ | no point, won't be able to help :) |
| 21:03.02 | flash_ | very quiet channel, don't pm me out of desperation :) |
| 21:03.28 | mhall | $channel->register_wake_handler($mhall->fd()); |
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| 21:04.14 | flash_ | 1232 users, let's say 10% are bots, that's... a hell of a lot of idlers |
| 21:04.38 | flash_ | did somebody unplug america? |
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| 21:05.27 | iluminator105 | flash_ i think you would wanna hear this |
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| 21:06.14 | trysten | i'm not idle |
| 21:06.19 | trysten | just kidding. |
| 21:06.20 | mhall | $america->power_grid->set_state(Power::OFF); |
| 21:06.33 | mhall | usleep(500_000); $america->power_grid->set_state(Power::ON); |
| 21:06.40 | mhall | should fix it |
| 21:06.41 | mhall | :P |
| 21:06.52 | sambagirl | hi i am doing a netinstall and i am at the software selection. i did this on my moms laptop last time i picked everything. this time i do want gui, web server, do i need ssh server? file server? mail server? print server? |
| 21:07.04 | sambagirl | i can always add that stuff on a need be basis correct? |
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| 21:07.22 | trysten | sambagirl: yep. and i prefer to do it that way. |
| 21:07.28 | mhall | Most of us find it easiest to select nothing, or nothing besides SSH |
| 21:07.42 | mhall | Then add what you need later after it successfully boots up for the first time |
| 21:07.45 | sambagirl | i believe i selected ssh cause i use ssh |
| 21:07.56 | sambagirl | ok |
| 21:08.03 | sambagirl | thanks |
| 21:08.16 | mhall | Yeah ssh is a very minimal one, it just puts 3 packages, the ssh meta package, which grabs the client package, and server package |
| 21:08.29 | Quibus | good night |
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| 21:08.59 | mhall | What I often do when I'm setting up a new box is go nothing besides SSH, then get it on the network, and pull in the other packages using an SSH terminal on the working box so I can do other stuff at the same time when waiting for the install |
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| 21:09.56 | mhall | Or alternatively, you could dance the samba while you wait |
| 21:09.58 | mhall | ;) |
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| 21:13.39 | sneex | is there a trick to getting the partitioner to pick only part of a disk when I want LVM w/Encryption? |
| 21:14.13 | mhall | When doing complex partition setup I have better luck doing install with 'expert' mode boot argument |
| 21:14.27 | mhall | And manual mode instead of using auto mode partitioning choice |
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| 21:15.10 | ManoftheSea | sneex: only part of a disk? |
| 21:15.16 | ManoftheSea | Partition only part of the disk. |
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| 21:16.05 | sneex | Part is already partitioned and this is a sata multi systen with debian only on a small part |
| 21:16.42 | ManoftheSea | so... what won't the partitioner let you do? add a partition? |
| 21:17.14 | sneex | the last part -- the first part is blank but I can get it to do encryption of more than one part w/o having to do more than 1 pass word on boot |
| 21:17.42 | sneex | I am |
| 21:18.16 | sneex | Disk is 1TB like this: 30GB Free 4th partition has data |
| 21:18.38 | sneex | Ok; how do I get lvm w/encryption |
| 21:18.51 | ManoftheSea | sneex, do the multiple passwords for now. |
| 21:19.00 | sneex | I'll have too :P |
| 21:19.01 | ManoftheSea | How do you expect to not have to use multiple passwords? |
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| 21:19.36 | sneex | I have done many lvm's w/encryptoin and 1 password but not this setup |
| 21:19.59 | ManoftheSea | don't you do lvm on top of encryption? |
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| 21:20.23 | sneex | my laptop is a lvm w/encryption and 1 passwd to unlock all |
| 21:20.38 | nextime | hello all. Fresh installed wheezy, i have some issues with the frame buffer as it freeze the machine during boot after running things in initrd. What can i change on the grub command line to disable the change of resolution in initrd? |
| 21:20.41 | ManoftheSea | sure. So why can't you do that with this system? |
| 21:20.45 | mhall | Messing with encryption on a pre-existing disk is risky |
| 21:20.48 | sneex | thats what I tried -- ecryption then lvm |
| 21:20.54 | nextime | ( vga=ask is deprecated, vga=text won't work ) |
| 21:20.56 | mhall | You are probably better rsyncing and making a fresh volume |
| 21:21.18 | sneex | nextime: you installing? |
| 21:21.24 | nextime | sneex : just installed |
| 21:21.33 | mhall | nextime: Your problem isn't the VGA mode, it's whatever enables the frame buffer module |
| 21:21.34 | nextime | i'm at the first boot afer instal |
| 21:21.46 | ManoftheSea | nextime: you might also try nomodeset. |
| 21:21.50 | nextime | mhall: yes, this is why i want to disable it |
| 21:21.53 | sneex | linux expert text install? |
| 21:22.01 | mhall | nextime: A hacktastic way to fix the box, if you can find a way in, is to move away the module, and rebuild the initrd |
| 21:22.07 | nextime | sneex : just default install of the base system |
| 21:22.13 | sneex | k |
| 21:22.24 | mhall | nextime: I had this problem, where a bad NIC driver was locking up my box |
| 21:22.25 | nextime | mhall: yes, but before to do that i need to access the system |
| 21:22.26 | nextime | :D |
| 21:22.34 | sneex | Im gonna go back with a bigger macette CYa :) |
| 21:22.39 | mhall | nextime: Can it boot from install kernel? |
| 21:22.50 | mhall | nextime: If it can, you can boot from install media with rescue mode |
| 21:23.04 | mhall | nextime: Then move away module and rebuild initrd, and reboot from system itself again |
| 21:23.10 | nextime | mhall: yes, but it's a boring thing to do as i have to mount an encrypted partition and start lvm.... |
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| 21:23.15 | mhall | nextime: Ah crap |
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| 21:23.31 | nextime | ok |
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| 21:23.39 | ManoftheSea | nextime: you could give the "single" cmdline option |
| 21:23.41 | nextime | nomodeset do the magik |
| 21:23.54 | nextime | i'm at login prompt |
| 21:23.56 | nextime | not i can fix |
| 21:23.57 | nextime | :) |
| 21:24.01 | mhall | Ah sweet |
| 21:24.02 | nextime | s/not/now |
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| 21:24.28 | mhall | Since it can boot, if you have compiled a kernel before |
| 21:24.34 | mhall | You can compile it a new kernel |
| 21:24.42 | mhall | With only the VESA or VGA FB driver |
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| 21:24.49 | mhall | And disable the GPU specific driver that crashes it |
| 21:25.04 | mhall | However, this only works for some GPUs where the FB isn't needed for DRM to work |
| 21:25.11 | nextime | mhall: nah, i'm too old to compile kernel for a laptop, i'm lazy :) |
| 21:25.22 | mhall | If you are like me, I have Intel GMA, which won't let you run X without FB |
| 21:25.25 | nextime | too many kernels in the past |
| 21:25.29 | nextime | :P |
| 21:25.35 | mhall | So I had to randomly permute kernel versions until I found a happy one |
| 21:25.48 | ManoftheSea | what GPU have you? |
| 21:25.49 | mhall | You could try going to debian experimental, they have a 3.4 in there |
| 21:25.59 | mhall | Intel GMA 5500, I think in my case |
| 21:26.00 | nextime | mhall: i want to make fb work, as i prefer to run fb without X |
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| 21:26.01 | nextime | :P |
| 21:26.15 | mhall | nextime: Yeah, in that case, might try the 3.4 from experimental |
| 21:26.38 | mhall | nextime: I got two picky machines running well on that package, it's called inux-image-3.4-trunk-amd64 |
| 21:26.44 | mhall | linux* |
| 21:26.45 | nextime | mhall: maybe i will try, but first i want to investigate the issue by loading things manually |
| 21:26.54 | nextime | anyway, thanks for the nomodeset suggestion |
| 21:26.58 | mhall | You asked for quick and easy... ;) |
| 21:27.03 | nextime | now i can fight with it by myself :) |
| 21:27.17 | mhall | Good luck, probably have a beer first |
| 21:27.24 | mhall | Even if it isn't 5 yet |
| 21:27.25 | mhall | ;) |
| 21:27.42 | nextime | it's 23:27 here |
| 21:27.43 | nextime | :P |
| 21:28.13 | ManoftheSea | it's five o clock somewhere. |
| 21:28.14 | mhall | lol |
| 21:28.34 | mhall | Yeah, that's quite late to be fighting with your box on Saturday night, hehe |
| 21:28.44 | mhall | I bet you started earlier and then it didn't work right, eh? |
| 21:29.26 | nextime | mhall: no, just started, it's a common thing for me to work on those things saturday night |
| 21:29.54 | mhall | lol |
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| 21:30.21 | nextime | today i was busy with my childs, so, saturday night is a great working time for me :) |
| 21:30.43 | trysten | dpkg isin't talking to me. was it something i said? |
| 21:30.44 | dpkg | trysten: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 21:31.20 | ManoftheSea | trysten: probablys. |
| 21:31.27 | ManoftheSea | did you notice it's haircut? |
| 21:31.31 | ManoftheSea | New shoes? |
| 21:32.05 | trysten | dpkg! i'm so sorry mate. i've been really busy... writing you prose |
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| 21:35.54 | mhall | trysten: did you try it over in #debian-bots |
| 21:36.05 | mhall | trysten: sometimes they work better if you access in there or on /msg |
| 21:36.06 | sambagirl | installatino was silky smooth |
| 21:36.16 | sambagirl | now i can install compiz fusion |
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| 21:36.30 | mhall | hahaha, and melt the GPU |
| 21:36.31 | mhall | :) |
| 21:36.38 | sambagirl | shoudl do an apt-get update first yes? |
| 21:37.02 | mhall | sambagirl: yeah, and dist-upgrade to grab latest security patches and such |
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| 21:37.35 | sambagirl | first i have to add my things to the panels on top and then add 2 additional work spaces then the update |
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| 21:39.28 | sambagirl | i never noticed you could have a workspace switcher not only on teh bottom panel but also on the top panel. |
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| 21:44.12 | daidalos | hi. what is your prefered IRC client (squeeze)? |
| 21:44.58 | ManoftheSea | irssi |
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| 21:46.58 | daidalos | ManoftheSea: irssi is a command line client, isn't it? |
| 21:47.02 | lasers | irssi! |
| 21:47.36 | daidalos | ManoftheSea, lasers: why irssi? |
| 21:48.07 | lasers | daidalos: I love it? What do you love? |
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| 21:49.50 | daidalos | lasers: I love nothing. Am only trying to decide without much research what client to use for IRC. What is tried and tested but is still being developed, what has the most features etc. |
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| 21:50.16 | ManoftheSea | daidalos: I might also consider smuxi. |
| 21:50.58 | ManoftheSea | irssi because I use irc on a vps to be connected all day |
| 21:51.10 | daidalos | ManoftheSea: and why smuxi? |
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| 21:51.34 | ManoftheSea | smuxi supposedly can run as a server on the vps, and let various clients connect. |
| 21:51.40 | ManoftheSea | So I could still be on all day. |
| 21:51.47 | ManoftheSea | And receive privmsg's |
| 21:53.58 | sambagirl | i did a net install so i dont need to do a apt-get update |
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| 21:54.28 | daidalos | ManoftheSea: ok. thx. |
| 21:54.32 | nextime | has just finished a netinstall... and the first thing to do is an apt-get dist-upgrade to switch to sid |
| 21:54.33 | nextime | :P |
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| 21:54.36 | sambagirl | you type dist-update ?? |
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| 21:55.39 | lasers | daidalos: I like irssi because I can add aliases. You can change formats and themes to suit your taste. Just like ManoftheSea, this client is on a server. Also, it's easier to set things up and just forget about it. Just ssh in and start talking. |
| 21:55.41 | Myhro | using sid every day must be exciting |
| 21:56.06 | nextime | Myhro : boh, personally i use sid only on all my machines from when... it exists |
| 21:56.37 | nextime | never had serious issues, it's just matter to don't upgrade every day and do it with some carefull when needed |
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| 21:56.51 | mhall | Another handy thing would be using your IM client to do IRC |
| 21:57.00 | mhall | This is nice if you use both heavily as you only need one APP |
| 21:57.05 | Myhro | nextime, i've experienced updates breaking things all the time in testing... can't imagine on sid |
| 21:57.06 | Myhro | :( |
| 21:57.12 | nextime | mhall: or to use your irc client to do im ( read: irssi + bitlbee ) |
| 21:57.13 | mhall | It can be done using GAIM, kopete, most of the other libpurple based clients |
| 21:57.14 | sambagirl | use konversation |
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| 21:57.35 | mhall | s/GAIM/Pidgin/ |
| 21:58.00 | mhall | nextime: yeah, i found the interface of bitlbee to be too much of a pain when I last tried it, but it was *years* ago |
| 21:58.06 | ManoftheSea | IRC isn't IM, though. |
| 21:58.20 | mhall | Like, Jesus I can't believe I'm this old already kind of years ago... |
| 21:58.24 | nextime | mhall: it's exactly the same ui :) |
| 21:58.30 | mhall | I figured |
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| 21:58.52 | mhall | ManoftheSea: Depends who you are, and whether you use the advanced features |
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| 21:59.04 | mhall | ManoftheSea: If you are occasional IRCer the IM client is quite convenient |
| 21:59.05 | nextime | anyway, i use it and i found it great ( consider that i'm a console fanatic, i don't want to start X if not really needed ) |
| 21:59.46 | lasers | nextime: do you use mc? |
| 21:59.49 | mhall | Yes we discussed your console habits. ;) |
| 22:00.22 | mhall | All my workstations are monsters so they digest X without any noticeable latency |
| 22:03.31 | mhall | Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz ;-) |
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| 22:15.49 | sambagirl | compiz fusion doesnt work in debian does it? |
| 22:16.04 | ManoftheSea | in squeeze? |
| 22:16.15 | sambagirl | yes |
| 22:16.26 | Gargantua | Of course it works. |
| 22:16.37 | Gargantua | I prefer xcompmgr |
| 22:16.40 | sambagirl | well i have installed squeeze now on 2 laptops and it doesnt work |
| 22:16.53 | sambagirl | both have 4gig ram and are core 2 duo |
| 22:17.02 | sambagirl | one is a dell and one is a acer |
| 22:17.10 | ManoftheSea | does ram matter to gpu compositing? |
| 22:17.11 | Gargantua | You need to get the proper drivers for your video card |
| 22:17.14 | sambagirl | now it works fab on the hp laptop but that is with ubuntu 10/10 |
| 22:17.16 | Gargantua | lol |
| 22:17.19 | sambagirl | yes i was going to ask that next |
| 22:17.28 | Gargantua | Go bother #compiz about it |
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| 22:17.45 | sambagirl | in ubuntu they have a option called additional drivers |
| 22:18.05 | sambagirl | i am not bothering anyone i am asking general questions regarding functionality of debian |
| 22:18.11 | ManoftheSea | sambagirl: ignore ubuntu for now. |
| 22:18.18 | ManoftheSea | do you have your GPU drivers? |
| 22:18.24 | Gargantua | It's not a debian specific question, #compiz is more helpful as to how to get your drivers installed. |
| 22:18.29 | sambagirl | gpu? |
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| 22:18.40 | ManoftheSea | the graphics processor is doing the compositing. |
| 22:18.48 | ManoftheSea | Without acceleration, you won't have compositing |
| 22:19.09 | sambagirl | my question Gargantua was whether there is a option or module to resolve drivers or not |
| 22:19.26 | ManoftheSea | sambagirl: you will need to do it manually. |
| 22:19.31 | ManoftheSea | If your drivers aren't automatic. |
| 22:19.36 | Devastator | sambagirl can i pm you by any chance? |
| 22:19.43 | sambagirl | sure devastator |
| 22:19.52 | ManoftheSea | Because Debian aims for free/open software. |
| 22:20.08 | ManoftheSea | Ubuntu doesn't mind including the binary blobs for nvidia/ati |
| 22:20.29 | sambagirl | i am only asking these questions because i dont know and i figured to find out whether it does or doesnt i should ask in the proper channel for that specific distro. this is a pure debian installllll and i need to know these things. |
| 22:20.55 | ManoftheSea | sambagirl: answer me then. What's your GPU? |
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| 22:21.48 | sambagirl | nvidia |
| 22:22.18 | ManoftheSea | have you tried getting the drivers from nvidia? |
| 22:23.31 | sambagirl | i am about to i was just thinking that as does ubuntu, i thought that debian had led the way as the trailblazers for all things debian. yet i think now i see that debian lets the children play, and have all kinds of special treats,while mother debian drinks spoiled milk. |
| 22:24.01 | ManoftheSea | the what? |
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| 22:24.35 | sambagirl | i am going to try now |
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| 22:26.42 | parcs` | what is the usual timeline of minor debian/testing kernel releases relative to upstream kernel releases? |
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| 22:31.40 | Caelum | how do I make experimental the default repo instead of unstable? |
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| 22:32.10 | aguitel | i have this error :http://pastebin.com/bR3ZcZTK ,anyone know to fix it ? |
| 22:32.31 | andermetalsh | having the experimental repo as default is like playing with torches |
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| 22:36.10 | nodiscc | Caelum: look at http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 22:36.17 | nodiscc | but this is madness |
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| 22:37.32 | alex20032 | I love the #Debian IRC bot |
| 22:37.44 | nodiscc | hi dpkg |
| 22:37.52 | bladedpenguin | I've having trouble getting hold of java 7 |
| 22:38.09 | bladedpenguin | I tried apt-get install openjdk-7-jre |
| 22:38.21 | bladedpenguin | but its not part o f squeeze |
| 22:38.46 | bladedpenguin | so I changed "squeeze" to "wheezy" in sources.list |
| 22:38.58 | alex20032 | !mary me |
| 22:39.00 | bladedpenguin | and apt-get update/upgrade |
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| 22:39.14 | bladedpenguin | and now I get http://pastebin.com/QvPGyGbm |
| 22:39.25 | alex20032 | !marry me |
| 22:39.25 | dpkg | but I've been playing The Sims all day, and I've finally got enough friendship points to propose to someone else... |
| 22:39.28 | bladedpenguin | Whats my next stop? |
| 22:39.48 | bladedpenguin | set* |
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| 22:39.52 | bladedpenguin | step* |
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| 22:41.31 | [olli] | re ppl.. |
| 22:41.41 | krababbel | bladedpenguin: enter aptitude and fix manually |
| 22:42.21 | peterrooney | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 22:42.21 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
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| 22:42.48 | sambagirl | btw is nano included in debain? |
| 22:42.58 | sambagirl | yes |
| 22:43.10 | streuner | its default |
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| 22:43.41 | sambagirl | now these instructions are for debian 5 however i dont see anything regarding nvidia chipset for debian 6 |
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| 22:43.56 | sambagirl | so i must struggle with the instructions i have in hand i guess. |
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| 22:44.35 | streuner | VESA is goo enough, if you dont need 3d |
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| 22:44.44 | streuner | s/goo/good/ |
| 22:45.11 | Caelum | I pinned experimental to 1000, but apt still doesn't want to install deps from experimental |
| 22:46.09 | sambagirl | streuner i need to have compiz working |
| 22:46.10 | streuner | why do you need experimental at all |
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| 22:46.28 | streuner | sambagirl: ah ok, i forgot, just /msg dpkg nvidia then |
| 22:46.46 | sambagirl | ohh |
| 22:47.09 | Ricardo__ | hi .. remstersys works in debian wheezy? |
| 22:47.14 | sambagirl | oh on here not in the shell |
| 22:47.15 | Ricardo__ | hi .. remastersys works in debian wheezy? |
| 22:47.28 | Caelum | streuner: I want to get xfce4 10 from experimental |
| 22:47.33 | streuner | dpkg, nvidia |
| 22:47.33 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:48.21 | aguitel | i have this error :http://pastebin.com/bR3ZcZTK ,anyone know to fix it ? |
| 22:48.22 | |thunder | yeah, the debian tutorial way is best. black list the damned nouveau driver too |
| 22:49.03 | aguitel | I'm not more able to install any package as "simple" user, working fine as usual by root-user |
| 22:49.21 | zykotick9 | |thunder: using the debian method, doesn't nouveau get blacklisted in the process? (i believe it does... but not "sure") |
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| 22:51.16 | nkuttler | aguitel: output of which ldconfig? |
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| 22:53.47 | linda | buona sera |
| 22:53.51 | aguitel | nkuttler, thanks ,i solved with this:http://aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1739 |
| 22:53.52 | linda | !list |
| 22:53.52 | dpkg | linda: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 22:55.02 | Caelum | I'm getting this error from some lib, what should I do: "update-alternatives: error: alternative libblas.so.3gf can't be slave of libblas.so.3: it is a master alternative" |
| 22:55.25 | bladedpenguin | thanks, trying that...krababbel: |
| 22:57.18 | Caelum | well I just commented out the update-alternatives call in the postinst |
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| 22:58.20 | ManoftheSea | Does anyone buy a Mac, then buy any old PC card, and expect it to work? |
| 22:58.33 | ManoftheSea | How do Mac people buy hardware that works on their machine? |
| 22:58.48 | ManoftheSea | or... do you upgrade it at all? |
| 22:59.11 | ManoftheSea | here's the relation to debian: "Why doesn't linux support my whatever"? |
| 22:59.28 | ManoftheSea | Can we use the likening to Mac hardware somehow to explain this? |
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| 23:00.02 | nkuttler | ManoftheSea: try asking anywhere else where macs are on-topic |
| 23:00.21 | youlysses | ManoftheSea: Most Macs are typically supported afaik on the linux-kernel, because there's not a ton of models. But this is offtopic. |
| 23:00.58 | Silence- | nkuttler: +1 |
| 23:01.01 | Silence- | Who cares about mac. |
| 23:01.45 | youlysses | Silence-: Well it's not so much about "who cares" about them, it just pretains to holding the standards of this channel. |
| 23:02.58 | Silence- | Well, yes, that is what I meant. Who <in this channel> cares about mac <as far as discussions in this channel go>. |
| 23:03.05 | Silence- | :) |
| 23:03.12 | Caelum | macs are awesome |
| 23:03.38 | youlysses | Silence-: Well if he was asking how to get debian on-to one then it would, but agreeded. |
| 23:03.43 | Silence- | I think PC are better for running debian. |
| 23:03.56 | Silence- | And that's about as far as I'd like to discuss mac. :) |
| 23:04.12 | Caelum | I think with the newer models, you can't put linux on a mac, the EFI is completely locked |
| 23:04.12 | xand | macs are PCs. |
| 23:04.18 | Silence- | Well, yes. |
| 23:04.22 | Silence- | These days. |
| 23:04.28 | Silence- | Anyway. |
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| 23:04.32 | Silence- | How about that debian? |
| 23:04.33 | xand | Caelum: wrong |
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| 23:05.01 | youlysses | xand: Exactly. |
| 23:05.16 | Caelum | xand: that's good then, that's what I heard from someone on ##mac |
| 23:05.18 | xand | but if you install debian on one, use standard non-efi partitioning etc or it won't boot |
| 23:05.54 | Silence- | I must say. Filtering joins, parts and quits did wonders for my ability to have a conversation in here. |
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| 23:37.03 | heoa | The mic in wy x220 laptop and newest version of debian stopped working. Driver -prob with Alsa? |
| 23:37.22 | heoa | my settings http://koti.kapsi.fi/~he/not_muted.png |
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| 23:38.03 | heoa | It worked yeaterday for a moment but now stopped working, fxcknig irrating to make Google Voice calls when mic works as it wish |
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| 23:38.44 | trysten | heoa: use mumble :P |
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| 23:52.18 | heoa | trysten: did you get your mic working? |
| 23:52.39 | heoa | http://askubuntu.com/questions/177611/x220-mic-not-working-in-debian <--- moved the bug report here |
| 23:53.03 | heoa | (not sure whether the best place but not sure where I should move it, ideas?) |
| 23:54.06 | heoa | trysten: Can I make cheap international calls with "Mumble"? I need to call international landline/mobile calls, Google Voice is just perfect for it... |
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| 23:55.09 | Kansas | Do you need molly and meth? Order it anonymously with bitcoins. http://pastebin.com/SwgyrFdG |
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| 23:55.15 | trysten | heoa: yeah i actually got it working. well, mumble is free VoIP software |
| 23:55.43 | trysten | WTF Kansas i live in Kansas and i'm totally offended by that. who the fuck does meth? (lot's of people, unfortuantely) |
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