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| 00:00.27 | nsadmin | themill, does grub have a graphical menu mode (more tothe point, that doesn't work on the serial console)? |
| 00:00.35 | themill | rawburt: yeah. I don't know how unhappy aptitude will be about the 404s between now and then. And remember that despite you having security.d.o in your sources.list you do not yet have security support for wheezy |
| 00:00.53 | Helldesk | I guess I can do that, removing qt50-snapshot until later (what/who/how are packages authenticated anyway and what could lead to one not being authenticated properly?) |
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| 00:00.57 | themill | nsadmin: yes. probably. |
| 00:01.15 | themill | dpkg: tell Helldesk about secure apt |
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| 00:01.36 | rawburt | themill: right, the version is still equivilent to testing. |
| 00:01.38 | nsadmin | in squeeze, how does one make sure that does not happen on the next boot after the installer finishes? |
| 00:02.00 | wlightning | ahha |
| 00:02.02 | wlightning | found the shell |
| 00:02.05 | wlightning | and it has chroot =) |
| 00:02.09 | wlightning | oh how perfect =) |
| 00:02.17 | themill | Helldesk: it's a chain of trust from gpg key you've configured apt to trust through the Release file, the Packages file and hashes of the files at each stage. |
| 00:02.25 | jagginess | !raspberrypi |
| 00:02.25 | nsadmin | the chroot is probably on /target |
| 00:02.42 | jagginess | someone should add an entry for #raspberrypi .. |
| 00:03.10 | jagginess | Helldesk, definitely not an arm port debian. the abi is different on raspberry |
| 00:03.13 | Helldesk | I'm on #raspberrypi but I thought I'd ask about this from the horse's mouth, as it were |
| 00:03.24 | themill | jagginess: not necessarily. |
| 00:03.25 | Helldesk | hmm |
| 00:03.35 | jagginess | it's an SoC.. |
| 00:03.56 | Helldesk | it does use debian.net/debian/ wheezy/main |
| 00:03.59 | nsadmin | wlightning, did you find out how to defeat graphical grub? |
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| 00:04.22 | Helldesk | armel |
| 00:04.30 | DoYouOpenbox | hi, is there a way to configure openbox on debian squeeze? |
| 00:04.37 | jagginess | but it's not a spin off as a generic arm processor.. but it may appear similar.. (but if there's a bug, i'd join the raspberrypi mailing list) |
| 00:04.41 | themill | Helldesk, jagginess: you can run debian squeeze/wheezy armel on the rpi quite happily. Alternatively you can use the raspbian armhf rebuilt |
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| 00:05.03 | Helldesk | I am indeed running debian wheezy |
| 00:05.12 | jagginess | themill, i don't know if the hardware is properly supported, i've yet to get mine.. but from some tell me it has a special soc.. |
| 00:05.14 | themill | Helldesk, jagginess: (and #debian doesn't support raspbian) |
| 00:05.21 | themill | jagginess: sure it is |
| 00:05.28 | Helldesk | as far as I know, that's what the image originally claimed it was and nothing has pointed to it being any other flavour |
| 00:05.32 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: port unstable to main |
| 00:05.43 | abrotman | ... |
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| 00:05.56 | abrotman | skyshadow: what does that have to do with anything ? |
| 00:06.02 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: configure it to do what? |
| 00:06.03 | themill | Helldesk: rpi only recently started pointing their image to raspbian rather than debian squeeze. |
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| 00:06.34 | skyshadow | the new version has many nice features |
| 00:06.36 | Helldesk | I originally had squeeze, then went to wheezy |
| 00:06.44 | wlightning | nsadmin, yep.. there is a bit in /etc/default/grub =) |
| 00:06.44 | DoYouOpenbox | abrotman: to use Alt+F10 to maximize, to use Ctrl+Esc to open the menu. I'd like to avoid the mouse as much as possible |
| 00:06.50 | Helldesk | what is different between that and raspbian? |
| 00:06.52 | wlightning | just having to mount a bunch to do it |
| 00:06.53 | Shirakawasuna | I was thinking about getting a raspberri pi. For some reason I thought it did run the arm version of debian. |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: doesn't it have a configuration file that you can edit ? |
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| 00:07.18 | abrotman | skyshadow: that's not helpful |
| 00:07.18 | themill | Shirakawasuna: it does. (armel not arm) |
| 00:07.18 | Helldesk | if this isn't that, then I have no clue what it is |
| 00:07.38 | Helldesk | ok, so armel is different from arm proper? |
| 00:08.08 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: i used wheezy before. i mantained the ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml and it works 50% : i can only use ctrl+esc, the theme is configured ok, but i cant use ctrl+alt+arrows to switch desktops :( |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox/ |
| 00:08.43 | themill | Helldesk: no. arm was the first arm port in debian (now retired). armel (little endian arm) came next. armhf (with hardware float support) comes after that. Debian's armhf requires chip features not in the pi so won't run on it |
| 00:08.54 | Shirakawasuna | themill: so if I install armel on a raspberri pi it's officially supported here? Or at least at on a debian arm channel? |
| 00:08.59 | DoYouOpenbox | abrotman: no config file with squeeze. I removed the rc.xml to see if it creates a config file but it doesnt |
| 00:09.30 | themill | Shirakawasuna: sure. This channel should do just fine for most things. If we get confused about boot loaders for arm, then go to #debian-arm :) |
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| 00:09.49 | Shirakawasuna | cool |
| 00:09.53 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: you have to create one, with the correct syntax |
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| 00:09.59 | DoYouOpenbox | problem is: my rc.xml worked well on wheezy, but now that i'm on squeeze it is not 100% compatible and it seems that the squeeze version of openbox has no config file at all |
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| 00:10.30 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: maybe check your .config/openbox/ dir it's been too long since i got it all set as I like sorry |
| 00:10.30 | Shirakawasuna | oh I see, there's an 'optimized' version called raspbian, my bad. |
| 00:10.40 | nkuttler | DoYouOpenbox: there's probably a default in /etc/, or see /usr/share/doc/openbox/examples |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: did oyu look in the openbox man page to see what options it supports and where it might need to be ? |
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| 00:11.15 | themill | Helldesk: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort |
| 00:11.21 | DoYouOpenbox | abrotman: ok, but the Obconfig (in the menu) should create a default config. But it strangely doesnt work (i select it in the menu but it does nothing) |
| 00:11.33 | wlightning | nsadmin, here goes! =) |
| 00:11.54 | themill | Shirakawasuna: yeah, it's basically debian's armhf recompiled for a version of the ARM processors that everyone (except the rpi people) thought was dead. |
| 00:11.56 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: .config/openbox/ is *not* created in the squeeze version. |
| 00:12.08 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: just port wheezy or sid's to stable |
| 00:12.15 | DoYouOpenbox | nkuttler: there's no config dir/file in /etc about openbox :( |
| 00:12.50 | Helldesk | I think I recall the Pi having some fpu capability on the SoC but it's currently not supported by anything, was it so? |
| 00:12.52 | abrotman | pushes themill out the window |
| 00:13.18 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: lol, i 've just switched from wheezy to squeeze 'cause i need a system that doesnt crash twice a day :P |
| 00:13.23 | wlightning | nsadmin, win! I restarted and everything is working perfectly! |
| 00:13.24 | wlightning | thanks =) |
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| 00:13.59 | nkuttler | DoYouOpenbox: if you wheezy system crashed twice per day i'd suspect a hardware problem.. |
| 00:14.07 | nkuttler | s/you/your |
| 00:15.06 | skyshadow | openbox has given me no trouble but do as you wish |
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| 00:16.16 | betatest | hi |
| 00:16.32 | DoYouOpenbox | nkuttler: ssd is ok (latest firmware) and the ram is ok (checked with memtest86+) |
| 00:16.39 | betatest | anyone using bumblebee? |
| 00:17.43 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: me too. I had no trouble with openbox on wheezy. problem is that the squeeze version is not configurable. (only a part of the wheezy config file works on squeeze) |
| 00:17.56 | DoYouOpenbox | betatest: me |
| 00:18.08 | betatest | hi DoYouOpenbox |
| 00:18.13 | Devastator | is there a way to define a ttyUSB number to a certain device? like, if i plug it on other ports it would get the same ttyUSB numer.. |
| 00:18.18 | Devastator | number |
| 00:18.27 | tuv | i guess this is one case where a shell script makes more sense that a Makefile |
| 00:18.30 | DoYouOpenbox | betatest: you need wheezy to use bumblebee |
| 00:18.50 | betatest | DoYouOpenbox, i know thx, i have wheezy running bumblebee too |
| 00:19.12 | abrotman | Devastator: udev rules |
| 00:19.14 | betatest | but sometimes the nvidia module is loaded without run optirun |
| 00:19.27 | Devastator | abrotman thanks! |
| 00:20.00 | DoYouOpenbox | betatest: i solved that, you need to add a line in some udev config file... wait.. |
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| 00:20.23 | Devastator | seems logical, now i will see if I'm capable of making such rules |
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| 00:20.46 | DoYouOpenbox | betatest: echo 'DEVPATH=="/module/nvidia", ACTION=="remove", RUN+="/bin/rm /dev/nvidia0 /dev/nvidiactl"' >> /etc/udev/rules.d/99-nvidiactrl.rules |
| 00:21.03 | DoYouOpenbox | betatest: i've found this link: https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/issues/144#issuecomment-6211293 |
| 00:21.23 | betatest | DoYouOpenbox, thx a lot, i will try :) |
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| 00:21.35 | DoYouOpenbox | betatest: it worked for me. After using optirun the card stays OFF until you run optirun again. |
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| 00:23.14 | betatest | DoYouOpenbox, when i run optirun, the nvidia card is off again, but sometimes... if check via lsmod | grep nv, the module is loaded... if I run optirun glxgears, the module is off again |
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| 00:24.12 | jagginess | abcdht, #freenode |
| 00:24.51 | DoYouOpenbox | betatest: yes. Indeed. You run optirun and just after that the card goes off. But if you check /proc/acpi/bbswitch after a while the card has come back in ON state. So i solved using that udev line |
| 00:25.15 | betatest | DoYouOpenbox, ok... thx again ;) |
| 00:25.29 | DoYouOpenbox | before i knew that line i used to launch "optirun echo" to do a fast switch off :D |
| 00:26.03 | betatest | DoYouOpenbox :D |
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| 00:29.38 | DoYouOpenbox | ok, it seems that i 've found it: /etc/xdg/openbox/ <-- contains an rc.xml and menu.xml . |
| 00:29.48 | DoYouOpenbox | thanks |
| 00:29.54 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: okay you want squeeze, if your sources.list and preferences are in order: apt-get install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; apt-get build-dep openbox; apt-get source openbox/unstable; cd to 1 above where you put it; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
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| 00:30.02 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:30.33 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: please use the system-wide config file first |
| 00:32.40 | DoYouOpenbox | abrotman: isnt that in /etc/xdg/openbox/ ? I think i'll copy the rc.xml from there to my ~/./config/openbox/ and then edit that copy... |
| 00:33.31 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: give it a whirl, that's why i said to read the openbox man page to see if it would read your file |
| 00:34.47 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: i use squeeze but not its openbox and completely modified its startup scripts so I really can't help you |
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| 00:36.42 | DoYouOpenbox | abrotman: yes, and it was your advice about reading /usr/share/doc/openbox/ that helped me to find info about the config file positions. thanks :) |
| 00:37.07 | skyshadow | I'd guess the defaults are in |
| 00:37.29 | DoYouOpenbox | abrotman: i copied the default rc.xml to the ~/.config/openbox/ dir and added the Ctrl+Esc thing i had in the wheezy config and it works ! :D |
| 00:37.31 | skyshadow | /var/lib/openbox/debian-menu.xml |
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| 00:38.34 | abrotman | skyshadow: please let him read the documenation, you've already said yours is heavily customized, let him read the docs that come with the version he's running |
| 00:38.44 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: no problem there, i dont use the menu at all. i simply use Ctrl+Esc to call it to open new terminal window |
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| 00:40.58 | DoYouOpenbox | strange thing: the obConfig in the menu still doesnt work... i think i'll need to find a way to find out what themes are available.. |
| 00:41.31 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: then ~/home/.config/openbox/rc.xml otherwise I'm of no help to you |
| 00:42.03 | ManiZach | Is it a coding issue, when debian server resolves '¤' as '¤' on server side, whilst when accessing it through ssh on another computer, it shows up as '¤'? |
| 00:42.29 | abrotman | sounds like a font/encoding issue |
| 00:42.45 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: indeed i've copied the default rc.xml there. |
| 00:42.54 | ManiZach | Is there a way to fix this issue? |
| 00:43.02 | ManiZach | i.e, changing encoding used on file? |
| 00:43.26 | ManiZach | or, font, for that matter. |
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| 00:44.35 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: sorry, if you want to keep that version read the docs |
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| 00:44.51 | abrotman | skyshadow: then stop interjecting .. |
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| 00:46.00 | skyshadow | abrotman: I was just trying to help |
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| 00:46.32 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: Ctrl+Esc works, but Alt-F10 no. I tried putting the A-F10 part in "Keybindings for desktop switching". No way. So i moved it in the section "Keybindings for windows" . No way. |
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| 00:47.12 | abrotman | would probably try another keybinding to see if it's the action or the desired effect |
| 00:47.14 | DoYouOpenbox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.41 | DoYouOpenbox | ah, ok. i try now |
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| 00:48.29 | ManiZach | Any ideas? |
| 00:48.52 | DoYouOpenbox | C-F10 is the same |
| 00:49.18 | ManiZach | (not much of a bother, just want to know for future references) |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | so perhaps it doesn't recognize your action ? |
| 00:49.38 | abrotman | ManiZach: are you using a UTF8 locale ? |
| 00:50.19 | DoYouOpenbox | abrotman: yes, i think it too. |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: does it log anything to ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 00:51.22 | ManiZach | hold on |
| 00:51.27 | youlysses | Is there not a librsvg-dev in the repos? |
| 00:51.46 | abrotman | youlysses: you tell us |
| 00:52.10 | youlysses | abrotman: There doesn't seem to be.. I'm trying to compile the emacs |
| 00:52.14 | DoYouOpenbox | abrotman: it says that it's an invalid action (ToggleMaximize) ... |
| 00:52.20 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: boo! |
| 00:52.21 | youlysses | *xwidgets branch. |
| 00:52.35 | abrotman | youlysses: guess you get to compile that library too ? |
| 00:53.11 | youlysses | abrotman: Well yeah, I'm planning on it, but I was curios if it was just re-named... :-P |
| 00:53.17 | youlysses | *curious |
| 00:53.26 | ManiZach | abrotman, text/plain; charset=us-ascii. |
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| 00:54.46 | youlysses | abrotman: Oh, it's just marked at librsvg2. |
| 00:55.02 | abrotman | ManiZach: i meant your system, not the webpage |
| 00:55.26 | ManiZach | Not sure how to check that. Only know how to check the encoding of a file. |
| 00:55.51 | ManiZach | using file -bi |
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| 00:56.34 | abrotman | ManiZach: 'locale' |
| 00:57.45 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: sry net is slow here, my rc.xml http://pastebin.com/di5BvUaQ |
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| 00:58.32 | ManiZach | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/vziahnbR |
| 00:58.44 | ManiZach | Looks like utf-8 |
| 00:59.08 | abrotman | what kind of file is this? |
| 00:59.21 | ManiZach | plain text file |
| 01:00.39 | abrotman | what's your method of connectin got the server? |
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| 01:01.54 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: that's not you connection. It is pastebin that's offline (server not reachable) |
| 01:02.03 | linuxuz3r | does anyone know where to get lightdm themes |
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| 01:03.01 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: yeah I'm in cambodia so i mean it, the net sucks here |
| 01:03.09 | linuxuz3r | does anyone know where to get lightdm themes |
| 01:03.13 | linuxuz3r | oops |
| 01:04.03 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: can you use paste.debian.net? |
| 01:05.02 | ManiZach | Using the ssh/sftp protocol |
| 01:05.59 | ManiZach | Shows up fine on this laptop when I remotely edited it from this laptop. But, when I print its content from the server, it appended the, 'Â' infront of it. |
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| 01:08.13 | zinx | ManiZach: the content is in UTF-8 encoding, and on the one with the 'Â' in front, you have the encoding set to some latin single byte encoding |
| 01:09.44 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox:http://paste.debian.net/184664/ |
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| 01:10.01 | ManiZach | charset: us-ascii |
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| 01:10.11 | ManiZach | should I change it to utf-8? x_x |
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| 01:13.09 | abrotman | iconv ? |
| 01:13.52 | DoYouOpenbox | skyshadow: what openbox version are you using with that config file? |
| 01:14.17 | abrotman | DoYouOpenbox: he's said multiple times he's NOT using the squeeze version, and has patched the upstream |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | i have NO idea why skyshadow is still trying to help you, his version of openbox is totally different |
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| 01:14.55 | DoYouOpenbox | ah LOL . no way to use that paste |
| 01:16.05 | DoYouOpenbox | ok, i'll use icewm until i find a way to fix the F10 thing. |
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| 01:17.09 | skyshadow | DoYouOpenbox: i'm using 3.5.0 but the rc.xml worked fine on default |
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| 01:33.25 | mroe | when did grub2 become the default bootloader? |
| 01:33.46 | pparadis | it's been that way for at least a couple of releases. |
| 01:33.57 | pparadis | actually, wait, you said grub2. |
| 01:34.07 | pparadis | i believe that was squeeze. |
| 01:34.11 | mroe | I thought so |
| 01:34.19 | mroe | but it was available in lenny |
| 01:34.21 | mroe | right? |
| 01:34.32 | pparadis | heck, i don't remember. lenny was a while back :) |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | mroe: yes |
| 01:35.15 | meLon | I'm trying to run an X application remotely such that it display on the remote machine's monitor (:0.0) and not XForward (:10.0). I'm having a hard time searching for a solution as most people have the same error I do, but with XForward (Error: Can't open display: 0.0). Any suggestions? |
| 01:35.54 | asturel | DISPLAY=:0.0 ? |
| 01:36.06 | asturel | export |
| 01:36.48 | Dan39 | so if i have an LVM group setup over 3 partitions all on different drives, and 1 of those HDDs goes bad, what happens? |
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| 01:37.08 | Dan39 | id imagine itll make the LVM freak out |
| 01:37.37 | meLon | asturel: I've done that, sir. I'm having difficulties getting it working :\ |
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| 01:41.41 | ManoftheSea | meLon: does the user running the X client have permission on the X server? |
| 01:41.50 | ManoftheSea | You might be using magic cookies, or something. |
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| 01:42.18 | ManoftheSea | VERY INSECURE: but you might try "xhost +" on the X server, then run "DISPLAY=:0 cmd" |
| 01:42.37 | ManoftheSea | which reminds me... does xhost stay across reboot? |
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| 01:42.43 | meLon | ManoftheSea: XForwarding works when DISPLAY is set to :10.0. My problem is when I try to use :0.0. I've logged into my system locally and through ssh with the same user |
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| 01:43.10 | meLon | ManoftheSea: I've tried using xhost +, but it says the same erro: xhost: unable to open display ":0.0" |
| 01:43.35 | ManoftheSea | :0? |
| 01:43.53 | meLon | Maybe if I try running xhost + locally it will work |
| 01:43.55 | ManoftheSea | xhost doesn't appear to stay across restart of X |
| 01:44.09 | alfplayer | xhost + doesn't stay set after reboots |
| 01:44.16 | ManoftheSea | you would need to run it from X |
| 01:44.54 | meLon | ManoftheSea: Can I restrict this 'xhost +' command such that only LAN connections are permitted this access? |
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| 01:45.40 | meLon | ManoftheSea: xhost + worked (THANK YOU!!!). I had to run that command local to the machine |
| 01:45.44 | ManoftheSea | yes, but I'm not familiar with it. Check the man page. |
| 01:46.43 | ManoftheSea | From what I understand (abrotman correct me if I'm wrong), the X server sets a magic cookie that ssh will forward. But a login from console or in to the computer doesn't get it. |
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| 01:55.46 | hadoop90 | exit |
| 01:55.51 | dvs | !exit |
| 01:55.52 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | you can use xhost (bad), or the mit magic cookie |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | meLon: xhost + is *bad* |
| 01:56.10 | abrotman | !tell meLon about xhost |
| 01:56.13 | abrotman | !tell meLon about mit magic cookie |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: ^^^ |
| 02:01.57 | ManoftheSea | I prefaced it. |
| 02:02.44 | abrotman | just sharing |
| 02:03.02 | ManoftheSea | Thanks. |
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| 02:03.35 | ManoftheSea | I *know* xhost is wrong. Just that sometimes, you want to tear all the protection away to find out if it is your problem. |
| 02:04.10 | ManoftheSea | Then, you can figure out Which. |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | if you tear it all away, do you really isolate the problme ? :) |
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| 02:06.44 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: isolate? No, it's a binary search. |
| 02:06.52 | ManoftheSea | "security or configuration" |
| 02:07.00 | ManoftheSea | Then, "this piece or that piece" |
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| 02:08.29 | abrotman | and if you destroy the entire tree? |
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| 02:10.10 | Yukikaze | so I need "linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64" but it asks to install gcc-4.3 but I have and need gcc-4.7 as dependencies for other things |
| 02:10.13 | Yukikaze | what do |
| 02:10.29 | abrotman | so you're mixing versoins of Debian ? |
| 02:10.34 | Yukikaze | yes |
| 02:10.42 | abrotman | this is how you break things |
| 02:10.55 | abrotman | are you trying to run squeeze or wheezy? |
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| 02:11.18 | Yukikaze | I'm running stable with some packages from testing |
| 02:11.36 | abrotman | and you didn't backport them, you just forced them on .. |
| 02:12.03 | Yukikaze | I may have |
| 02:12.11 | abrotman | you did, and this is how you break the OS |
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| 02:13.36 | Yukikaze | :U |
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| 02:13.47 | pparadis | Yukikaze: http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
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| 02:13.59 | abrotman | it's a bit late for that |
| 02:14.25 | abrotman | Yukikaze: generally, mixing binary packages from stable and testing/unstable is a really bad idea |
| 02:15.06 | Yukikaze | well I've been doing it for years without any real issues |
| 02:15.13 | abrotman | you lucked out |
| 02:15.43 | abrotman | what packages did you install from testing besides gcc ? |
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| 02:18.52 | Yukikaze | abrotman: this server is rather fresh so http://pastie.org/4553372 I think that's about it |
| 02:19.03 | Yukikaze | maybe apache as well |
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| 02:21.57 | abrotman | if you remove gcc-4.7, what will it uninstall? |
| 02:22.16 | abrotman | ugh , libc6? |
| 02:22.17 | Yukikaze | those |
| 02:22.18 | Blue1 | !multi-arch |
| 02:23.26 | abrotman | Blue1: you can msg the bot |
| 02:23.40 | abrotman | Yukikaze: your best option is to dist-upgrade to wheezy |
| 02:24.13 | Blue1 | abrotman: okay let me try that |
| 02:25.05 | Blue1 | abrotman: okay /msg debhelper did nothing. What is the right way? |
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| 02:27.10 | abrotman | Blue1: what are you looking for ? |
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| 02:27.27 | abrotman | Blue1: also, we have wiki.debian.org |
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| 02:28.46 | Blue1 | abrotman: i made this mistake of trying to upgrade wine to the latest version. it wasn't something called multi-arch |
| 02:30.50 | Blue1 | abrotman: thanks man |
| 02:31.00 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: destroy the whole tree? |
| 02:31.12 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: nevermind, moving on :) |
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| 02:32.06 | ManoftheSea | you're saying xhost will destroy the whole tree to debug? |
| 02:32.14 | ManoftheSea | ok. |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:34.46 | Blue1 | abrotman: yeah dpkg never heard of the add-architecture switch either -- nor does it list it in man - this has now come full circle -- back where I started - this is now more trouble then it is worth -- |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | it has man pages ... |
| 02:36.01 | Blue1 | abrotman: right the man pages do not list that as a valid option either |
| 02:36.05 | Yukikaze | okay abrotman thanks doing a dist-upgrade now |
| 02:36.25 | Yukikaze | what is the "right way" to install things from testing |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | Yukikaze: something like gcc probably can't be cleanly backported |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | !tell Yukikaze about ssb |
| 02:37.22 | abrotman | Yukikaze: it really depends what you're actually trying to backport |
| 02:37.31 | Yukikaze | ah |
| 02:38.29 | ManoftheSea | Blue1: my dpkg has --add-architecture in the man page. |
| 02:39.27 | Blue1 | ManoftheSea: hmm sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 02:39.27 | Blue1 | dpkg: unknown option --add-architecture |
| 02:39.27 | dpkg | Blue1: i haven't a clue |
| 02:39.57 | abrotman | Blue1: you're using squeeze |
| 02:40.14 | Blue1 | abrotman: yes -- should I be using something else |
| 02:40.45 | Blue1 | afaik squeeze is the latest -- wheezy is still in testing - |
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| 02:44.34 | ManoftheSea | multiarch is only in wheezy? |
| 02:44.45 | abrotman | wheezy/sid |
| 02:45.26 | Blue1 | ManoftheSea: I am thinking that may be the case. I will stop this wheel spinning at once (on my end) |
| 02:46.14 | abrotman | it's a newer feature of dpkg, didn't exist for squeeze |
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| 02:47.35 | Blue1 | abrotman: thanks -- because I did a lot of wheel spinning in the last 24 hours. Thanks for the sanity check |
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| 03:14.34 | asgard20032 | Dont know which distro it was, but there was a nice feature that allowed us to simply copy a file that was like a log of what was installed, on another computer with the same distro, and do an exact install, install the same program... So basically, if you need to reinstall, back up your home, and copy that "file" and reinstall the OS... then simply put that file back, and everything get installed back... |
| 03:14.49 | asgard20032 | Someone on ##Linux said me that he recall something similar on Debian |
| 03:15.02 | sney | yeah, there's a dpkg feature that's kind of like that |
| 03:15.35 | asgard20032 | Well, wikipedia page on dpkg say nothing on that... |
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| 03:16.07 | tomreyn | dpkg selections is what you mean |
| 03:16.07 | dpkg | ...but selections is already something else... |
| 03:16.17 | sney | yeah, dpkg selections |
| 03:16.31 | sney | there's a bot factoid on it but I can't seem to find the keyword |
| 03:16.37 | asgard20032 | WHAT??? |
| 03:16.44 | asgard20032 | Dpkg speak |
| 03:16.45 | dpkg | ARFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 03:17.10 | asgard20032 | Was sure a dpkg was a bot... |
| 03:17.26 | asgard20032 | !hi |
| 03:17.27 | dpkg | hello, asgard20032 |
| 03:17.30 | sney | yes, it's a bot |
| 03:18.50 | somiaj | if you use dpkg --get-selections you will get a list of every package on your system and their status. That can be used to get the same packages on a base install of the same version of debian. |
| 03:18.52 | tomreyn | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/669 |
| 03:19.23 | sney | ahh, that's what I was trying to remember |
| 03:19.54 | asgard20032 | Anyone know something similar on another package management? |
| 03:19.57 | asgard20032 | Like apt-get... |
| 03:20.06 | sney | asgard20032: see tomreyn's link. |
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| 03:21.09 | asgard20032 | And do you guy know something similar on another distro? (I know its a debian forum, but it look like only people here know what i am talking about...) |
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| 03:21.33 | asgard20032 | oops... not a debian forum, but a debian channel |
| 03:22.03 | pparadis | asgard20032: you might try channels for other distros for that, or #linux |
| 03:22.25 | asgard20032 | tried #linux, but they refered me here |
| 03:22.53 | pparadis | well, discussion of other distros is indeed offtopic for this channel, so i'd advise trying other distro-specific channels. |
| 03:23.00 | somiaj | dpkg and aptitude will be present on debian based distros and would be similar, but for non debian-based you will have to read the documenations on their package managment tools. Though non debian (includeing debian-based) is off topic here |
| 03:23.00 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, somiaj |
| 03:23.23 | tomreyn | i'm not into rpm enough to answer this. bigger rpm distros are fedora, centos, opensuse |
| 03:23.35 | pparadis | and they all have irc channels :) |
| 03:24.25 | tomreyn | and probably forums, too :-P |
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| 03:29.39 | ManoftheSea | continuing that topic, how do you load the "--get-selections" back in? |
| 03:29.45 | ManoftheSea | dpkg won't download those, right/ |
| 03:29.46 | dpkg | ManoftheSea: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:29.59 | ManoftheSea | do you punch it in by hand into apt-get, aptitude, or the like? |
| 03:30.10 | ManoftheSea | dpkg install clue |
| 03:30.11 | dpkg | ManoftheSea: wish i knew |
| 03:30.18 | ManoftheSea | apt-get install clue |
| 03:30.32 | ManoftheSea | wait, last time he took a bonesaw to my skull. |
| 03:30.44 | ManoftheSea | oh, right.... |
| 03:30.45 | ManoftheSea | dpkg -i clue |
| 03:30.45 | dpkg | package clue is already installed |
| 03:30.58 | ManoftheSea | haha. |
| 03:32.26 | somiaj | ManoftheSea: there is dpkg --set-selections to put the list into dpkg, but unless you have the packages locally you'll need apt to go fetch them afiak. |
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| 03:33.33 | tomreyn | you can set selectction, then run apt-get to actually get and install them |
| 03:34.27 | tomreyn | it's a bit lame to post a web link to an ubuntu resource here but i couldn't find a debian related web page describing the process well quickly |
| 03:34.29 | tomreyn | http://askubuntu.com/questions/101931/restoring-all-data-from-backup-of-dpkg-set-selections |
| 03:35.14 | tomreyn | i wouldn't use aptitude nowadays, so I'd use "apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" |
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| 03:35.53 | hellekin | tomreyn: "i wouldn't use aptitude nowadays" < why? |
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| 03:36.48 | tomreyn | just because apt-get has caught up with aptitude again (there was this time when aptitude was the recommended tool) and i think apt-get is more straight forward to use. |
| 03:37.04 | tomreyn | personal preference |
| 03:37.44 | hellekin | but isn't aptitude using apt-get and dpkg in the background? I thought it did |
| 03:38.11 | somiaj | aptitude and apt-get are two similar programs that both call on dpkg to do the acutal package managmenet |
| 03:38.22 | hellekin | oh |
| 03:38.32 | tomreyn | both apt-get and aptitude are wrappers around and extensions on top of dpkg if you want so. |
| 03:38.37 | somiaj | depending on the sistuation one may work better than the other, but for most part they are interchangable but different (and usually both installed) |
| 03:38.41 | tomreyn | oh i'm late |
| 03:41.09 | jagginess | tomreyn, dpkg is a blunt tool when it comes to dependencies, apt-get and aptitude resolve dependencies.. |
| 03:41.30 | jagginess | (they're not wrappers) |
| 03:41.46 | jagginess | (but work against the same installed database of local apps) |
| 03:41.47 | tomreyn | yes, i tried to keep it simple |
| 03:42.14 | tomreyn | but you're right of course |
| 03:45.01 | jagginess | dpkg is also the name of the package system/database.. apt-get or aptitude can be used for the same purpose, both separate tools of course, but they all work against the same dpkg database(which means your database in /var/lib/)-- occassionaly the "online" repository indexes get updated, hence one has to do either "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" -- often beginners don't know this.. |
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| 03:45.02 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, jagginess |
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| 03:45.59 | jagginess | so your local database in /var/lib is not the same as the online "indexes" -- but do get downloaded for the apt-get or aptitude tools |
| 03:46.56 | jagginess | tomreyn, i'm on #ubuntu too, if you need more elaboration on this :) |
| 03:47.13 | Rusty1 | isnt apt-get/aptitude clean a good idea as well? |
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| 03:47.37 | jagginess | doesnt really matter.. packages update all the time anyways.. |
| 03:48.17 | jagginess | if you're trying out alot and removing packages alot, you may want to do it rarely ever.. |
| 03:48.45 | jagginess | (because of course you'll have to re-download the same library packages etc) |
| 03:48.57 | pparadis | jagginess: http://frm.li/s3rZC ;) |
| 03:49.00 | somiaj | Rusty1: I like autoclean so I can keep an older working version of the package around without filling up my archives on testing/unstable upgrades. |
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| 04:24.56 | me-1 | hi...when should I expect next Debian stable release..? |
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| 04:27.16 | peterrooney | me-1: when it's ready, sooner if you help. |
| 04:29.17 | me-1 | peterrooney, I'd love to but my programming skills are very low |
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| 04:42.48 | arghh2d2 | hi all... having some trouble installing things like rtorrent and screen on my new debian ppc box ... according to google searches, they are both in stable but they aren't showing up when i apt-cache search or apt-get install ...i have main contrib non-free and even testing at the ends of the lines in my mirrolist, am I missing something? Any help is appreciated |
| 04:48.20 | surial | How do I check the bit-ness of my deb distro? |
| 04:48.32 | surial | it's armv5tel, and I think that's 32-bit, but I'm not sure how I can doublecheck that. |
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| 05:12.17 | boudiccas | i use rsync to backup my /home/user but want to exclude things like firefox/cache but dont understand the syntax of putting the folders in a exclude.file. Can anyone give me a good tutorial for it please or give an example? |
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| 05:21.09 | somiaj | boudiccas: http://articles.slicehost.com/2007/10/10/rsync-exclude-files-and-folders |
| 05:21.19 | somiaj | boudiccas: rsync --exclude 'file list' |
| 05:22.01 | somiaj | but that page contains an example text file too |
| 05:22.09 | boudiccas | somiaj: i'm already excluding things like *.avi but dont, at the moment, exclude directories |
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| 05:44.16 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. How do I install subversion 1.7(latest unstable)? Here is my /etc/apt/preferences http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/2196610 |
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| 05:49.38 | civillian | ruslan_osmanov: you will need testing sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:50.01 | civillian | ruslan_osmanov: you can confirm which version will be installed prior to installation using 'apt-cache policy subversion' |
| 05:50.31 | ruslan_osmanov | civillian, thank you. I'm trying.. |
| 05:50.54 | civillian | ruslan_osmanov: you're welcome :) |
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| 05:57.01 | allure | I have host0 and host1, host0 syncs to host1 via rsync. If I delete something from host0, will it be deleted from host1? |
| 05:58.28 | qw12 | how to check the last boot time (not reboot time) |
| 05:59.34 | jelly-home | allure: depends on whether you're using one of (--delete, --delete-after) as options or not |
| 05:59.59 | allure | jelly, just -avz .. then, no? |
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| 06:00.05 | jelly-home | allure: correct |
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| 06:00.46 | allure | jelly, what if the file is echoed " " to it? |
| 06:00.52 | allure | will it be overwritten? |
| 06:01.04 | allure | sorry, I meant jelly-home |
| 06:01.47 | jelly-home | well, that has nothing to do with rsync |
| 06:02.14 | allure | jelly-home, but I'd lose the file either way, right? |
| 06:02.50 | jelly-home | sure, but it's a human error |
| 06:03.12 | allure | jelly-home, thank you :))) |
| 06:03.45 | allure | jelly-home, it's 3am here. I had no belief I would get help at this time. Thank you very much :) |
| 06:03.56 | jelly-home | it's 8am here |
| 06:04.31 | allure | wow :) where are you at? |
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| 06:07.42 | jelly-home | central europe timezone, for the purposes of that question |
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| 06:08.01 | allure | jelly-home, ok... sorry if I was intrusive :) |
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| 06:27.28 | UltraMC | How to make USB-drive installation with 4,4GB DVD image? |
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| 06:30.18 | civillian | !unetbootin |
| 06:30.18 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <hybrid images>, <usb install>. |
| 06:30.33 | civillian | so I've heard anyway |
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| 06:34.03 | UltraMC | civillian, UNetbootin isint that net install that downloads all from net? |
| 06:35.01 | civillian | UltraMC: I've never actually used it, so I can't tell you sorry. Check the website for more info |
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| 06:35.15 | UltraMC | ty |
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| 06:39.28 | krababbel | UltraMC: it takes isos |
| 06:39.50 | UltraMC | krababbel, isos? |
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| 06:40.05 | krababbel | dvd images |
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| 06:42.17 | UltraMC | krababbel, I have ISO file |
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| 06:53.17 | UltraMC | Ive installed KDE with apt-get month ago. Ive lost package names and cant find it on Google - where is list of that? (there was like kde-plasma, kde-core, kde-education etc.) |
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| 07:12.38 | jelly-home | UltraMC: you'll have logs from the installation under /var/log/apt/ |
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| 07:25.22 | boudiccas | UltraMC: put this into a terminal after adjusting the path to the txt file you want ........... zcat -f /var/log/dpkg.log* | grep " install " | sort >>/home/boztu/cron/install.txt |
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| 07:26.04 | boudiccas | that will give you package names and the date you installed them , or removed them |
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| 07:28.58 | afsal | No result when "lsmod | grep -i nvidia" type this cmd. why this?? |
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| 07:32.37 | afsal | why no any result for "lsmod | grep -i nvidia" |
| 07:34.57 | syssi | afsal: presumably nvidia-kernel / nvidia-kernel-dkms is not installed? |
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| 07:35.48 | hide | Good morning everyone. I got a 3.7 TB partition. I tried to make an XFS filesystem in there, however, it makes it to only 2.0 TB. Is there any way to override the 2 TB limit in XFS |
| 07:35.49 | hide | ? |
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| 07:38.48 | afsal | syssi: both are installed |
| 07:38.53 | lapsusbrutus | hide: I think I would just split it up if possible :) Not a big fan of lenghty fscks |
| 07:39.40 | hide | lapsusbrutus: XFS checks the filesystem each time it is being mounted. Check time absolutely does not depend on FS type. ext'ish age is gone long ago |
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| 07:39.54 | hide | oh, and it checks it no longer than 10 seconds |
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| 07:44.57 | krisfremen | hmm |
| 07:45.07 | krisfremen | somehow my debian just halted on its own |
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| 07:48.37 | krisfremen | is there a way to check what started the halt? |
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| 08:34.53 | vizzy | hi, how can i export a list of installed packages from one system to another system? |
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| 08:36.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell vizzy about aptitude clone |
| 08:36.25 | vizzy | thx |
| 08:36.51 | yopyop_ | Hello, how can i know if a package had been frozen on wheezy ? |
| 08:37.12 | Devastator | does a aptitude/apt logviewer exist? |
| 08:37.23 | hide | I think all packages on wheezy are now frozen |
| 08:37.35 | jelly | vizzy: you can ask dpkg about the alternative, older way as well: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 08:37.42 | hide | only bugfixes are being made, no new versions being imported |
| 08:37.46 | vizzy | jelly, thx :) |
| 08:38.32 | yopyop_ | thanks hide |
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| 08:44.32 | _-`user0 | close |
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| 08:49.40 | drigollier | hi all |
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| 09:04.54 | boudiccas | Devastator: which log in particular are you wanting to view? dpkg/apt? |
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| 09:06.50 | boudiccas | Devastator: do you want alist of all software installed/removed? |
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| 09:15.20 | vizzy | its me again :) i mentioned that after a wheezy update last week network shares will be mounted before activating network, something must have changed :) this causes a hangup until timeoput for nfs mount. how to fix this? |
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| 09:20.36 | UukGoblin | hi guys... I'm on a macbook pro, using sid, and I've now into a strange issue that I'm not sure how to debug. As with all new macbook, I have a synaptics touchpad using the bcm5974 driver which seems to work pretty well (and was the main reason I went to sid). However, I can't now alt+drag windows to move them with a real USB mouse |
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| 09:21.23 | UukGoblin | this touchpad driver must be sending some weird event, basically now when I alt+click the mouse, I see the "grab" mouse icon, but the mouse is stuck, I can't move it at all until I unclick it |
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| 09:21.41 | UukGoblin | I tried disabling things with gpointing-device-settings as well as xinput, but having little luck |
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| 09:23.40 | UukGoblin | yeah, now when I do alt + move the mouse, I get scrolling events |
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| 09:23.47 | UukGoblin | (move it without clicking that is) |
| 09:24.33 | DeadPanda | hi, I'm having some trouble getting LyX to work with the Enchant spell-checker on Wheezy. I definitely have the dictionary for my locale installed, but LyX keeps complaining that "spell checker has no dictionaries" |
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| 09:27.12 | aogier | hola |
| 09:27.31 | vizzy | aloah |
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| 09:32.20 | zetheroo | so what is the story here? - I have been trying to get Debian to do something that Ubuntu is very comfortable with - Install on a RAID1 configuration ... why is it that Debian has no end of difficulty with this? Note that I have used the exact same configuration for testing both OS's ... |
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| 09:33.26 | vizzy | zetheroo, with a hw raid there should be no difference, except tha fact that ubuntu declares users as stupid and incompetent *g |
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| 09:33.49 | zetheroo | vizzy: for got to mention this is softraid |
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| 09:35.49 | ChrisH | zetheroo: do you still have issues with your raid1? |
| 09:36.26 | zetheroo | with Ubuntu it worked (and I am not kidding) the first time round ... with Debian I have spent over a dozen hours at least trying all kinds of ways to get it to work ... and nothing goes! Either it refuses the partitioning setup (which Ubuntu is A-OK with and which Debian documentation and community documentation says should work), or it vomits in it's attempt to install GRUB on the MBR! |
| 09:36.48 | zetheroo | ChrisH: HA! Yeah - with Debian ... not with Ubuntu ... |
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| 09:37.33 | ChrisH | did you do the ubuntu setup after the debian? I never had issues with mirrored, LVM'ed setup on Debian. Ubuntu did never offered me these features. |
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| 09:39.34 | zetheroo | ChrisH: I created two identical VM's both configured identically with RAID1 ... same partitioning etc ... then tried to install Debian (freshly downloaded) on the one and Ubuntu Server on the other ... Debian trips all over itself and Ubuntu has no issue! |
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| 09:40.03 | zetheroo | does Debian need some other kind of partitions config? |
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| 09:40.31 | UukGoblin | hrm, alt + mousemove acting as scrolling is really bad |
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| 09:41.29 | sys_fail | zetheroo: you having problems with software raid on Debian? |
| 09:41.57 | zetheroo | sys_fail: pls read above .. ;) |
| 09:42.02 | sys_fail | doing so now |
| 09:42.33 | vizzy | whats the secret command to make dpkg tell me about re-enabling zap in x? |
| 09:42.40 | vizzy | dpkg zap |
| 09:42.41 | dpkg | zaps vizzy in the head with an overvoltaged tazer |
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| 09:43.45 | sys_fail | zetheroo: so you can RAID 1 in Ubuntu, but not Debian |
| 09:43.45 | somiaj | vizzy: what do you mean by zap in X? |
| 09:43.55 | zetheroo | sys_fail: that is correct |
| 09:44.05 | sys_fail | I've RAID 6'ed in Debian |
| 09:44.10 | sys_fail | with encrypted LVM |
| 09:44.17 | sys_fail | and Ubuntu |
| 09:44.19 | vizzy | ctrl+alt+backspace which has been removed for sopme silly reason |
| 09:44.29 | sys_fail | zetheroo: I've always thought it was about the same.. |
| 09:44.34 | sys_fail | zetheroo: installer wise.. |
| 09:44.42 | zetheroo | sys_fail: yeah - I thought so too ... :) |
| 09:44.53 | somiaj | vizzy: You may have to write you own custom xorg.conf file (or put a config snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d) |
| 09:44.56 | sys_fail | zetheroo: you using that curses based installer with manual partitioning? |
| 09:45.14 | gnarface | vizzy: i forget how exactly but its like Option XwhateverDon'tZap "false" |
| 09:45.14 | zetheroo | sys_fail: liek I said I am using a pretty fool-proof method for testing the two with the same setup etc ... |
| 09:45.21 | vizzy | somiaj, yeah, and there is a help fom dpkg, but whats the secret command? |
| 09:45.25 | somiaj | vizzy: if it is something debconf does for you, you can use dpkg-reconfigure package |
| 09:45.25 | sys_fail | zetheroo: k |
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| 09:45.41 | somiaj | vizzy: but I forget which package would be have that debconf option. |
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| 09:45.52 | gnarface | i doubt that's something dpkg does |
| 09:45.55 | sys_fail | zetheroo: maybe try it IRL and not on a VM? |
| 09:45.57 | zetheroo | sys_fail: manual partitioning in both Debian and Ubuntu |
| 09:45.58 | vizzy | somiaj, yes, and thats why debianiush special tools get useless .... |
| 09:46.13 | sys_fail | zetheroo: I've never attempted it in a VM |
| 09:46.14 | vizzy | but i know dpkg here knows about that, but with a hidden command :) |
| 09:46.18 | gnarface | vizzy: check the xorg.conf manpage for "DontZap" |
| 09:46.22 | somiaj | vizzy: add the correct option to xorg.conf and you don't need to use debconf for that. |
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| 09:46.25 | gnarface | vizzy: its listed |
| 09:46.29 | vizzy | dontzap, ah thats it |
| 09:46.48 | zetheroo | sys_fail: I HAVE tried it in real life with a real (brand new) HP Proliant server ... and Debian does exactly what it's doing in the VM test |
| 09:46.59 | sys_fail | zetheroo: rgr |
| 09:47.04 | vizzy | gnarface, instead of getting rude and zap nme in my head it should mention that, ... dpkg you stupid bot :P |
| 09:47.05 | sys_fail | zetheroo: Debian 6 right? |
| 09:47.06 | gnarface | vizzy: they just made the default to disable it. i guess someone decided Xorg would be more popular if you could safely use it as a kiosk by default without worrying about "hacker back doors" |
| 09:47.31 | sys_fail | zetheroo: I'm only concerned because I can do it, I'm trying to find out whats letting me do it, and whats not letting you do it.. |
| 09:47.42 | vizzy | gnarface, my opinion is quite different :) |
| 09:48.08 | sys_fail | zetheroo: nahmean? |
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| 09:48.38 | zetheroo | sys_fail: I used the latest Debian download ... version 6 I think |
| 09:48.53 | zetheroo | sys_fail: can you try it in a VM? |
| 09:49.01 | zetheroo | sys_fail: and RAID1 .. |
| 09:49.06 | gnarface | vizzy: i'm always insulted when they covertly put the training wheels back on too |
| 09:49.15 | zetheroo | sys_fail: how are you partitioning? |
| 09:49.21 | sys_fail | zetheroo: I actually tried setting up a VM, but pacman keeps complaing about the versions |
| 09:49.48 | sys_fail | zetheroo: 100MB /boot 4GB swap remaining / |
| 09:49.51 | zetheroo | sys_fail: what about Vb? |
| 09:49.56 | sys_fail | vb? |
| 09:50.11 | sys_fail | zetheroo: also 2 drives failed on my server, so I can't really do too much |
| 09:50.15 | zetheroo | sys_fail: Virtual Box |
| 09:50.20 | sys_fail | zetheroo: I can boot it if you want me to |
| 09:50.22 | sys_fail | sec |
| 09:50.43 | sys_fail | you use LILO right? |
| 09:50.47 | sys_fail | for booting? |
| 09:50.58 | zetheroo | sys_fail: all I have is a EXT3 root bootable, and then a SWAP ... |
| 09:51.07 | zetheroo | sys_fail: no GRUB |
| 09:51.10 | gnarface | idly wonders how much all this e17 compositing is sapping his video card's gaming performance in wine and whether there is a way to safely disable all the fucking bouncing windows |
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| 09:51.36 | sys_fail | rgr, I think mine is all ext4 even, /boot |
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| 09:52.00 | sys_fail | and I can never get grub to install, so i just install LILO |
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| 09:52.34 | sys_fail | t |
| 09:52.35 | sys_fail | ? |
| 09:52.42 | zetheroo | sys_fail: why is your bootable root partition only 100MB? |
| 09:53.17 | sys_fail | zetheroo: idk, thats adequate right? |
| 09:53.26 | sys_fail | zetheroo: I've never had a problem with 100MB /boot |
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| 09:54.04 | sys_fail | zetheroo: If it starts filling up, delete some of the older stuff |
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| 09:55.29 | gnarface | seriously, trying to write code in e17 is like trying to build a jigsaw puzzle on a waterbed while children jump on it |
| 09:55.38 | sys_fail | gnarface: lol |
| 09:55.41 | sys_fail | ok I'm gonna go |
| 09:55.42 | sys_fail | bbl |
| 09:55.48 | ChrisH | zetheroo: really strange... I did this with netinstaller from stable, testing on VMs, real HW quite often meanwhile and never had any problem caused by the installer. |
| 09:57.23 | zetheroo | ChrisH: I have a suspicion that Debian needs a different partitions setup |
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| 09:57.48 | zetheroo | question is what? |
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| 10:00.08 | Guest61205 | with iptables and using DROP, it works but when I use REJECT, i get message "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" (i can't post to #iptables, so please don't suggest that) |
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| 10:03.05 | ChrisH | zetheroo: really strange.... What do you mean by "partitions setup |
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| 10:04.08 | heoa | whta was the command do change user:group? |
| 10:04.14 | ChrisH | chown |
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| 10:05.36 | heoa | ChrisH: Ofc, thank you. |
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| 10:07.06 | NoReflex | hello! I have a machine running debian and after I login into it (ssh) the terminal locks up (I cannot write anything to it, no error message appears). The machine is on a LAN along with other machines which work correctly. Any idea what might be the problem? |
| 10:08.25 | ChrisH | NoReflex: ssh login and authentification works fine? If yes can you stillping the remote box? That sounds a bit like duplicate IPs |
| 10:08.34 | ksk | is it dell hardware with an remote-management-card NoReflex ? |
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| 10:09.48 | NoReflex | I can ping the machine; I added a new machine this morning but with a different IP address (the new machine (also debian) works OK) |
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| 10:10.40 | NoReflex | ksk, it is a Dell server and until this morning I did not have this problem; I don't use Dell's out of band management features |
| 10:10.59 | heoa | web-content:x:1001:www-data,xyz <-- I want to make sure the user xyz is able to edit all content in the group web-content, how to do it? |
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| 10:11.51 | ChrisH | heoa: man usermod |
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| 10:12.13 | NoReflex | after login I get a message about the last login (Last login: Mon Aug 20 13:07:44 2012 from 192.168.1.121) and then the prompt - but nothing I type appears |
| 10:12.20 | ksk | NoReflex: is a "DRAC" builtin or not? if yes disabling its virtual devices could help |
| 10:13.39 | heoa | useradd -G web-content xyz <---- I did this but wrong...as you see, wrong logic? ChrisH |
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| 10:14.54 | heoa | I tried to add the user XYZ to the group web-content |
| 10:15.35 | heoa | which I think I have already doen but or some reason it is not the thing, I cannot modify the things in the groups of perms www-data:web-content |
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| 10:16.28 | EdePopede | hello again |
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| 10:17.37 | ChrisH | heoa: does grep xyz /etc/passwd show the web-content as primary group? |
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| 10:20.52 | abcdefg_ | hi i tried to put a line @reboot /path/to/script in /etc/crontab, but its not running the script upon reboot |
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| 10:26.01 | heoa | ChrisH: xyz:x:1000:1001:xyz,,,:/home/xyz:/bin/bash |
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| 10:26.13 | heoa | ChrisH: there is no word about web-content in that file |
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| 10:26.22 | ChrisH | heoa: then still: man usermod |
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| 10:29.41 | chomwitt | if i want a program like ssh-agent to autostart at login what is the prefered wau to do it? init script or .bashrc ? |
| 10:29.50 | tonino | ciao a tutti |
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| 10:29.50 | somiaj | heoa: group info would be in /etc/group, so grep xyz /etc/group |
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| 10:30.08 | somiaj | heoa: or as the use xyz you can type 'groups' in a shell to see what groups are are in |
| 10:30.27 | tonino | ! list |
| 10:30.28 | dpkg | tonino: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 10:30.43 | heoa | somiaj: I am in the web-content group but is the mistake that web-content is not "primary group"? |
| 10:30.47 | ChrisH | somiaj: he tried a useradd -G and that should be reflected in /etc/passwd |
| 10:31.16 | UukGoblin | any idea where I can look to solve this alt issue? (basically alt + mouse move issues scrolling events for me, which I don't like) |
| 10:31.42 | heoa | somiaj: $ grep xyz /etc/group |
| 10:31.43 | heoa | xyz:x:1000: |
| 10:31.43 | heoa | web-content:x:1001:www-data,xyz |
| 10:32.22 | heoa | By this I tried to create web-content as a group and put users such as www-data and xyz under it |
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| 10:33.17 | heoa | But when I browse material www-data:web-content, I get perms denied... |
| 10:33.35 | heoa | err or when I try to change it as user xyz |
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| 10:34.04 | somiaj | ChrisH: why? group info should be stored in /etc/group |
| 10:34.52 | ChrisH | somiaj: you are right... |
| 10:34.54 | somiaj | heoa: you get perms denied on what? did you set up the files/directories to have perms for that group? |
| 10:35.25 | ChrisH | heoa: can you pastebin the folloiwing: grep xyz /etc/passwd /etc/shadow and a ls -l on the directory woith the content? |
| 10:35.52 | ChrisH | heoa: please add: id -a as user xyz |
| 10:37.41 | heoa | ChrisH: http://pastie.org/4555589 |
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| 10:39.13 | ChrisH | heoa: Now please explain what xyz is expected to do.... group assignement looks ok to me (as far as I understood what you want to do) |
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| 10:41.45 | cm13g09 | ChrisH: as I read it, heoa wants xyz to be able to write content in the folder |
| 10:41.45 | zetheroo | ChrisH: what I mean by Partition Setup is that I keep hearing about people making these tiny boot partitions ... and I am wondering what that is all about .. |
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| 10:41.57 | cm13g09 | heoa: is that right? |
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| 10:44.28 | standoo | hi |
| 10:44.32 | heoa | ChrisH: sorry I think I solved the problem ... I had mistyped ownerships to www-data:www-data so perms denined, now fixed it to www-data:web-content and things work |
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| 10:45.43 | heoa | I just changed ownerships with chown -R www-data:web-content workspaces and currently using just XYZ -settings and not yet gettings errs |
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| 10:45.53 | ChrisH | heoa: checked it in detail. is xyz expected to create new files? |
| 10:46.06 | heoa | ChrisH: yes |
| 10:46.12 | cm13g09 | heoa: You may wish to look into extended ACLs long term |
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| 10:47.05 | heoa | ChrisH: xyz@xyz:~/workspace$ touch DropZone2/t |
| 10:47.06 | heoa | touch: cannot touch `DropZone2/t': Permission denied |
| 10:47.27 | heoa | err I should be able to create files so my settings still wrong? |
| 10:47.37 | ChrisH | zetheroo: /boot is not a bad idea if the disks are bigger... And it might be a matter of bootloader, grub2 seems to be able to boot more then grub :) |
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| 10:48.04 | cm13g09 | heoa: I would suggest that you need the ACL extensions for ext3/ext4 |
| 10:48.49 | cm13g09 | because then you can have it so when xyz creates folders, that folder inherits permissions from above |
| 10:48.49 | ChrisH | heoa: Once more... what is xyz expected to do? And yes it still seems to be wrong if the output is not what you expected to see... and I personally do not recommend the use of ACLs here.... but that something special between ACLs and me |
| 10:49.06 | cm13g09 | ChrisH: What did ACLs do to upset you? |
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| 10:49.55 | simonlnu | acls are very handy |
| 10:49.55 | heoa | ChrisH: xyz must be able to modify files in workspaces, create dirs, create files -- without etting perms problems |
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| 10:51.23 | heoa | ChrisH: could you clarify that? I have noticed that when I traverse between directory -tree, perms somehow change from web-content:www-data to something different such as root:root etc by accident --- I wolud like to have everything under /home/xyz/workspaces with web-content:www-data -perms, possible? |
| 10:51.25 | ChrisH | heoa: then these directries and files need to have write-permissions for the group web-content. |
| 10:51.33 | heoa | erry: meant to cm13g09 |
| 10:52.00 | heoa | ( the 13:51 about ACL extensions meant cm13g09 ) |
| 10:52.37 | cm13g09 | heoa: would I be right in guessing this will be a shared host |
| 10:52.51 | cm13g09 | in so much as there will be many users all part of web-content |
| 10:52.53 | cm13g09 | ? |
| 10:53.02 | ChrisH | cm13g09: I had to many customers complaining on ACL not working as expected on UNIX[TM] systems. Most times they used all option to mix up things and sometimes ACL did not work as expected. |
| 10:53.13 | cm13g09 | ChrisH: Ah yes |
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| 10:53.22 | cm13g09 | you can get that problem |
| 10:53.58 | heoa | cm13g09: yes in time probably, I want to put my workspaces under web-content:www-data so I can later just add other devs like useradd -G web-content friendA |
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| 10:54.08 | cm13g09 | right, ok |
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| 10:54.44 | heoa | ChrisH: Why do I get the perms' prob in creating files? |
| 10:55.12 | cm13g09 | heoa: I think you probably could solve this either way, although ACLs will (in my opinion) be better |
| 10:55.13 | ChrisH | because . is not writeable for xyz... run ls -ld . |
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| 10:55.24 | saban | hi. any similar program like nload for debian? |
| 10:55.41 | jelly | saban: what does it do? |
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| 10:56.00 | heoa | ChrisH: xyz@xyz:~/workspace$ ls -ld . |
| 10:56.00 | heoa | drwxr-xr-x 10 xyz web-content 4096 Aug 20 13:04 . |
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| 10:56.15 | cm13g09 | heoa: . does not have rwx for the group |
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| 10:56.40 | cm13g09 | chmod g+w . will fix that |
| 10:56.59 | saban | jelly: network monitor |
| 10:57.08 | jelly | ,v nload |
| 10:57.09 | judd | Package: nload on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.0-3.1; squeeze: 0.7.2-1; sid: 0.7.4-1; wheezy: 0.7.4-1 |
| 10:57.22 | jelly | saban: looks like it's in Debian already |
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| 10:58.26 | saban | jelly: i know :P but i had one simillar like this but i cant remember what was the name.. so i m asking if there is anything else |
| 10:58.26 | jelly | saban: if you're unable to install it, pastebin the output of your "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6 nload" and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 10:58.40 | heoa | cm13g09: xyz@xyz:~/workspace/DropZone$ chmod g+w . |
| 10:58.40 | heoa | chmod: changing permissions of `.': Operation not permitted |
| 10:58.40 | Sevet | saban: there are also similar tools, eg iftop |
| 10:58.55 | jelly | saban: there are probably dozens of tools like that. iptraf? |
| 10:59.00 | cm13g09 | heoa: ah, yes |
| 10:59.05 | ChrisH | heoa: su/sudo is your friend |
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| 10:59.31 | Sevet | bmon another... |
| 10:59.56 | cm13g09 | heoa: The reason for the error is that your current user doesn't appear to have write access to the directory object itself.... |
| 11:00.02 | cm13g09 | (or is it the parent folder) |
| 11:00.04 | saban | ok i think the iptraf is the right one :P tnx for help |
| 11:00.33 | Sevet | ,v iptraf |
| 11:00.34 | judd | Package: iptraf on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.0-6; squeeze: 3.0.0-7; sid: 3.0.0-8; wheezy: 3.0.0-8 |
| 11:00.35 | heoa | cm13g09: cm13g09 Worked, thank you :D |
| 11:00.52 | heoa | (I meant thank you to ChrisH as well) |
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| 11:01.16 | zykes- | What's an optimal chunk size for a raid of 3-5 2 tb disks ? |
| 11:01.33 | jelly | saban: have a nice :P yourself! |
| 11:01.37 | ChrisH | heoa: summary... When asking put in all information not only some parts... that makes it easier to answer of suggest a better way. |
| 11:02.49 | asdefjak | Is there any repository with a more recent icedove? Sid and testing are 4 releases behind. |
| 11:04.42 | Sevet | 11.0-1 in experimental |
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| 11:06.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell asdefjak about mdn |
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| 11:07.26 | jelly | it'll be there if anywhere |
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| 11:09.38 | heoa | cm13g09: 24 -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 23118 Aug 20 14:07 5_gold.jpg <--- when now Apache/PHP thing creates a file, it does it wrong :( |
| 11:09.50 | heoa | without group web-content |
| 11:10.03 | cm13g09 | heoa: yes, it will do |
| 11:10.06 | heoa | so I am unable to modify things, can I somehow fix this with ACL? |
| 11:10.17 | heoa | +modify things as xyz |
| 11:10.30 | babilen | asdefjak: Take a look at http://mozilla.debian.net, but I have no idea how recent that is. |
| 11:10.32 | cm13g09 | yes, ACLs will allow support for this fairly simply |
| 11:10.36 | ChrisH | heoa: man chmod search for set-gid for directories |
| 11:10.45 | cm13g09 | let me see if I can dig out a good document for you |
| 11:11.00 | ChrisH | cm13g09: You might better take over and explain this ACL stuff... |
| 11:11.12 | cm13g09 | ChrisH: thanks ;) |
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| 11:11.41 | cm13g09 | heoa: I strongly advise reading http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ before going any further |
| 11:11.43 | ChrisH | cm13g09: I am sure it can be done without ACLs |
| 11:11.49 | cm13g09 | ChrisH: it probably can |
| 11:11.53 | asdefjak | babilen: for icedove, they point to unstable |
| 11:11.57 | cm13g09 | by changing www-data's default group |
| 11:12.26 | ChrisH | cm13g09: or using set-grouid for direcotries, or ... |
| 11:12.32 | cm13g09 | yes |
| 11:12.35 | cm13g09 | or SEt-GID |
| 11:12.51 | cm13g09 | but set-GID can be broken easily |
| 11:12.57 | cm13g09 | (as I found out the hard way) |
| 11:13.07 | cm13g09 | so far none of my clients have broken ACLs |
| 11:14.58 | cm13g09 | heoa: You will need to make sure you have a file system supporting extended ACLs |
| 11:15.18 | cm13g09 | which, for ext3 and ext4 can be turned on with the "acl" mount option |
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| 11:15.49 | pparadis | you could always run apache as the user www-data and the group web-content |
| 11:15.55 | cm13g09 | pparadis: yes |
| 11:16.01 | cm13g09 | which I did suggest above |
| 11:16.05 | cm13g09 | (in a way) |
| 11:16.06 | heoa | cm13g09: changing default group? www-data is in two groups: |
| 11:16.08 | heoa | $ whoami |
| 11:16.08 | heoa | www-data |
| 11:16.08 | heoa | $ groups |
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| 11:16.31 | pparadis | is this the only site on that server? in other words, do you have security concerns about over users being able to access files? btw, use http://paste.debian.net in the future |
| 11:16.44 | heoa | err I should I have used pastiee |
| 11:16.58 | asdefjak | I just installed Mozilla's binary release into /opt |
| 11:17.33 | heoa | (sorry) |
| 11:17.55 | pparadis | if the answer to my last question is "yes" on the concerns bit, you might be interested in these --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/apache2-mpm-itk && http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 11:18.03 | jelly | asdefjak: if you only have one user one the machine and chown your /opt/thunderbird to that user, even the automatic updates work |
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| 11:18.22 | heoa | What about if I just rm www-data from www-data -group or does it break Apache? |
| 11:18.47 | jelly | asdefjak: at least, that's how firefox works. I'm not using TB at the moment. |
| 11:18.47 | pparadis | be advised, however, that if you use things like that, you will pay a performance penalty, but you can employ varnish or other options in front of apache for ridiculously fast caching in that case. |
| 11:19.11 | pparadis | heoa: why would you do that? apache will run as the user and group you tell it to. |
| 11:19.44 | babilen | asdefjak: Which Debian release are you tracking? |
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| 11:20.27 | asdefjak | babilen: testing, but sid isn't current either |
| 11:20.44 | heoa | pparadis: I see so how can I change the default running apache->www-data:web-content? |
| 11:21.09 | pparadis | heoa: see /etc/apache2/envvars |
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| 11:21.16 | zetheroo | The ext3 file system creation in partition #3 of RAID1 device #0 failed |
| 11:21.17 | zetheroo | why? |
| 11:21.43 | babilen | asdefjak: Well, you could blame Mozilla's insane release process they adopted some time ago. (They essentially release a new major version every other week) -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mozilla_Thunderbird#Release_history |
| 11:21.57 | pparadis | zetheroo: i think we'd need more information than that to even begin to help you. |
| 11:22.22 | zetheroo | pparadis: sorry, that was meant more for ChrisH ;) |
| 11:22.34 | pparadis | zetheroo: roger that :) |
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| 11:23.16 | ChrisH | zetheroo: anything in the messages visible? did you tried manually? |
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| 11:23.32 | ChrisH | zetheroo: Just to confirm... mkfs failed |
| 11:23.38 | babilen | asdefjak: But yeah, you can either get 11.0 from experimental or use 10 from wheezy/sid. I would personally prefer to use the well-integrated Debian packages as 14 is probably not that different from 11, but its your decision. |
| 11:23.47 | zetheroo | ChrisH: there are only the option the go back and continue ... and I always perform this manually |
| 11:24.32 | heoa | pparadis: I changed it manually to web-content and now no file is created X( |
| 11:24.33 | zetheroo | ChrisH: I think this is what is going on here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3823 |
| 11:24.42 | ChrisH | zetheroo: ALT-F3 or ALT-F4 should give you more details and extra shells |
| 11:25.02 | pparadis | heoa: what are the permissions on the directory? |
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| 11:25.19 | pparadis | heoa: are you certain apache is actually running as the user and group you think it is? |
| 11:25.21 | asdefjak | babilen: I actually need 14 for some extensions that I want to use, otherwise even 10 would be fine |
| 11:25.38 | babilen | asdefjak: Just take a look at their release notes for 12, 13 and 14 and you'll see what I mean. |
| 11:26.11 | markit | hi, I've debian lenny that has troubles once virtualized (KVM), is still there a backport repo where I could grab a more recent kernel? In sources.list I've put archive.debian.org, but don't understand if there is the need of a "security" repo and a backport is still available |
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| 11:27.46 | ChrisH | zetheroo: I was not able to extract an explanation in the given link |
| 11:28.14 | babilen | asdefjak: And those extensions probably don't really rely on v14 but specify "the newest" version because they don't know better or don't really care ... But who knows? v14 didn't introduce a single new feature. The last *real* feature is the UI redesign introduced in v11, but bleh ... |
| 11:28.17 | heoa | pparadis: you are smart, http://pastie.org/4555798, the change did not change Apache's running group |
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| 11:28.29 | zetheroo | Chris: the last post says "I think only a single partition per RAID device is supported," ... Is this true? |
| 11:28.45 | heoa | pparadis: despite the change export APACHE_RUN_GROUP=web-content in /etc/apache2/envvar |
| 11:28.48 | heoa | err envars |
| 11:28.52 | heoa | err envvars |
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| 11:29.23 | pparadis | heoa: try adding www-data to the web-content group |
| 11:29.53 | themill | heoa: group != user. You defined the group in the config file but you're looking at the user in ps |
| 11:30.04 | pparadis | goes to actually look at the ps |
| 11:30.22 | heoa | pparadis: http://pastie.org/4555806 |
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| 11:31.21 | ChrisH | zetheroo: http://pastebin.com/LQ54CwHr This is one of my mirrored boxes |
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| 11:34.02 | pparadis | heoa: what does 'ps --group web-content' say? |
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| 11:35.16 | pparadis | oops, time for breakfast and work. bye all \o |
| 11:35.26 | coll2 | looking for sendmail guru :) |
| 11:35.42 | heoa | http://pastie.org/4555826 |
| 11:35.44 | heoa | pparadis: |
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| 11:37.04 | zetheroo | ChrisH: ok I used a different method for configuring the RAID and the base install is completed ... just need to see if GRUB installs |
| 11:37.21 | jelly | coll2: sendmail on Debian, why oh why? |
| 11:38.50 | coll2 | jelly: actually sorry ..someone replied @ #sendmail :) |
| 11:40.38 | ChrisH | zetheroo: if it works... can you pastebin cat /proc/mdstat and fdisk -l on one disk from Ubuntu and Debian? I am really interested |
| 11:41.15 | zetheroo | ChrisH: heh, I already canned the Ubuntu test VM ... but it won't take me much to recreate it ;) |
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| 11:43.44 | coll2 | anyone know what this mean sendmail is in network listening mode. |
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| 11:51.16 | netecho | I'm having trouble playing the videos on http://code.google.com/edu/submissions/html-css-javascript/ in any browser, so far the only browser that doesn't show a black box is Gnome Browser but I get no sound |
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| 11:52.48 | themill | works just fine with iceweasel and flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:53.38 | netecho | I'll try flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:55.04 | netecho | thanks theborger |
| 11:55.06 | netecho | err |
| 11:55.08 | netecho | themill: |
| 11:55.42 | sephii | i just bought a 802.11n usb key (asus usb n-13, which is a realtek chipset). I installed firmware-realtek but I still get this message in dmesg: rtl8192cu:rtl92cu_init_sw_vars():<0-0> Failed to request firmware! |
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| 12:02.44 | aswen | Hi there, is there a command to check the syntax of an interfaces file similar to nagios -v nagios.cfg? |
| 12:03.20 | aswen | so that network won't restart and then fail when I screwed something ;-) |
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| 12:04.00 | ChrisH | zetheroo: then please start with the Debian data first. |
| 12:04.23 | heoa | pparadis: themill cm13g09 ChrisH Moved the story here, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12037174/unix-how-can-i-change-programs-running-user-and-running-group, as summary of our discussion so far. |
| 12:04.27 | zetheroo | ChrisH: Debian is still installing ;) |
| 12:05.06 | ChrisH | zetheroo: that sounds good. |
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| 12:11.54 | oc_ | I have trouble loading the rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw. during net install. I have created a UNetbootin USB-HDD from the (non-free) firmware-squeeze iso. In addition I placed the firmware-realtek_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb at the root of the drive. How can I manually install that? (there is no dpkg, i.e. dpkg -i doesn't work)? |
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| 12:17.13 | ChrisH | oc_: "at the root of the drive." Which drive? the installed /? Can you see the deb file? What happens on dpkg -i ? |
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| 12:20.11 | sephii | just solved my problem, I don't know why but I installed firmware-ralink instead of firmware-realtek... |
| 12:20.42 | coll2 | cg ! |
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| 12:22.37 | oc_ | ChrisH: its placed in /cdrom/ (root of the USB drive, which is mounted at /cdrom by unetbootin) |
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| 12:22.59 | oc_ | or i.e. the bootloader :) |
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| 12:26.30 | oc_ | its also in /cdrom/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ btw (copied from the firmware iso) |
| 12:26.58 | coll2 | oc_: what are you trying to achieve ? |
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| 12:29.58 | oc_ | coll2: install the firmware realtek drivers (insmod) in order to continue a net install |
| 12:30.27 | ChrisH | oc_: Did you answer all of my questions? |
| 12:30.31 | oc_ | i.e. unpack the deb somehow using only the deb installer cli and load the applicable driver (as it does not do that) |
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| 12:31.02 | oc_ | ChrisH: yes, i have. I previously stated that the debian installer does not have dpkg |
| 12:31.14 | ChrisH | OR do you want to have the firmware DURING installation? If yes I over looked it. |
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| 12:32.58 | oc_ | yes, i want the firmware loaded during in order to do a network install with the non0free rtl nic :) |
| 12:33.20 | oc_ | sorry, i presupposed that bit of info. |
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| 12:36.14 | ChrisH | oc_: and you dont have dpkg? Then try ar vx mypackage.deb to extract, but I am currently unsure on how to load the firmware then. IIRC debian installer has an option to do that |
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| 12:37.26 | abrotman | why doesn't he have dpkg ? |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | oc_: oh, there's a tar file somewhere IIRC, the install guide tell syou how to do this |
| 12:38.03 | oc_ | ChrisH: does the deb installer chroot somehow? |
| 12:38.05 | ChrisH | abrotman: he said it. dunno why |
| 12:38.19 | oc_ | it might be somewhere out of path.. sec *find* |
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| 12:38.43 | ChrisH | oc_: df -h should show you where the disk is mounted |
| 12:38.52 | nyuszika7h | how can I make checkinstall just watch the installation and not create a package (which always fails)? |
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| 12:39.34 | oc_ | tmpfs to /dev and /dev/sdc to /cdrom.. only instances of dpkg are /var/lib/dpkg and /cdromm/pool/main/d/dpkg (both directories) |
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| 12:39.53 | zetheroo | ChrisH & Losowski: GRUB install on Debian VM successful! |
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| 12:40.22 | ChrisH | zetheroo: Hurra! |
| 12:40.43 | zetheroo | ChrisH & Losowski: Ubuntu VM almost complete ... |
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| 12:41.24 | zetheroo | so what info do you both need/want from the Debian side? |
| 12:41.55 | ChrisH | zetheroo: I would like to see: cat /proc/mdstat and fdisk -l on one disk from Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 12:43.40 | Losowski | zetheroo: I'd also probably like to see the kernel .config files for both (to ensure similar settings for RAID) and the versions |
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| 12:43.46 | abrotman | !tell oc_ about firmware installer |
| 12:44.48 | oc_ | abrotman: I tried that initially (the cpio > initrd); wasn't loaded |
| 12:45.53 | oc_ | abrotman: only diff, is I dont have a linux machine here yet, and did it with my osx laptop (hopefully pax behaves the same) |
| 12:46.05 | zetheroo | seems like I have to install fdisk in Debian :P |
| 12:46.21 | ChrisH | sfdisk/cfdisk ? |
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| 12:46.33 | zetheroo | fdisk -l is not working |
| 12:46.35 | abrotman | oc_: uh what? |
| 12:46.41 | abrotman | oc_: the installer is an ISO |
| 12:46.47 | abrotman | and you don't use c[pio |
| 12:47.08 | zetheroo | ChrisH: neither one of those with "-l" work either |
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| 12:47.44 | killer_ | hi.... where can i learn about ports .........on linux |
| 12:47.44 | ChrisH | zetheroo: sfdisk -l /dev/sdc |
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| 12:48.12 | zetheroo | bash: sfdisk: command not found |
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| 12:49.05 | oc_ | abrotman: I have booted with the squeezy firmware iso as stated... I also tried adding the firmware to the initrd.gz boot image using the approach described in the NetbootFirmware wiki-page (cpio)). |
| 12:49.18 | ChrisH | zetheroo: then install fdisk, if possible. |
| 12:49.29 | oc_ | !tell abrotman about firmware installer |
| 12:49.45 | zetheroo | all I could find is gnu-fdisk |
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| 12:50.20 | oc_ | I assumed that was what you were referring to |
| 12:50.23 | ChrisH | zetheroo: util-linux: /sbin/fdisk |
| 12:50.59 | zetheroo | bash: util-linux:: command not found |
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| 12:51.45 | ChrisH | zetheroo: I wanted to tell you: /sbin/fdisk is in util-linux... so apt-get install util-linux :) |
| 12:51.56 | zetheroo | sorry |
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| 12:52.41 | zetheroo | util-linux is already installed |
| 12:53.01 | ChrisH | zetheroo: then verify: dpkg -L util-linux | grep fdisk |
| 12:54.10 | zetheroo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157148/ |
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| 12:57.04 | zetheroo | ChrisH: seems like fdisk is in /sbin after all ... no!? |
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| 12:57.40 | zetheroo | Losowski: how do I get you the kernel .config file info? |
| 12:57.58 | Losowski | it should be in your /boot directory |
| 12:58.23 | Losowski | zetheroo: starting with "config-..." |
| 12:58.26 | ChrisH | zetheroo: /sbin/fdisk should be there and usable. |
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| 12:58.40 | zetheroo | Losowski: ok got it - I'll pastebin it for you |
| 12:58.46 | Losowski | ok |
| 12:59.12 | Losowski | zetheroo: While you're at it, please give me your uname -a for both Debian and Ubuntu |
| 12:59.22 | abrotman | oc_: yes .. and what? |
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| 13:03.56 | Losowski | ChrisH: I found it odd that zetheroo couldn't set up RAID1 on both Debian and Ubuntu, using a similar partition configuration |
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| 13:05.36 | oc_ | ChrisH / abrotman: I figured it out. I manually removed /tmp/missing-firmware-denied, then chose install base, then mounted /dev/sda1 to /tmp/blah and chrooted /tmp/blah; then i found dpkg; and was able to install it and insmod/depmod the /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/... |
| 13:06.16 | ChrisH | Losowski: From what I understood, the partition layout was different. no /boot on debian Anyhow it should not matter |
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| 13:08.23 | zetheroo | ChrisH: sorry if it was unclear - but I was using the exact same partitioning setup with both VM's ... with Ubuntu it worked, with Debian it sis not |
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| 13:08.40 | zetheroo | ChrisH: now I have changed things on the Debian VM and its worked |
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| 13:10.42 | zetheroo | Losowski: Kernel config http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157175/ |
| 13:11.03 | Losowski | zetheroo: thankis |
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| 13:11.09 | zetheroo | for the Debian machine ^^ |
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| 13:12.35 | ChrisH | zetheroo: what did you change? added an md for /boot? |
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| 13:12.41 | zetheroo | uname -a and others: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157177/ |
| 13:13.08 | zetheroo | ChrisH: I created a seperate RAID device for each partition |
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| 13:13.49 | ChrisH | zetheroo: /dev/md0 is /boot and md1 is / ? where is swap? |
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| 13:14.05 | abrotman | oc_: totally logical :) |
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| 13:14.48 | zetheroo | md0 is /boot and md1 is swap ... |
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| 13:16.24 | derdon | hey, I am the don and want to set up a multiboot system via grub2 where one of the distros is debian and the other one is a rather exotic distro (Lunar Linux). lunar linux' installer uses lilo as the bootloader (but you can choose to not install any bootloader at all). what is the best approach to reach my goal? which distro should be installed first? |
| 13:17.33 | ChrisH | zetheroo: and where is / ? |
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| 13:19.00 | zetheroo | on md0 |
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| 13:21.33 | babilen | derdon: It doesn't matter what you install first. I would simply make sure that Debian manages the bootloader and run "update-grub" from within Debian as soon as both are installed side-by-side. That also assumes that you *do not* overwrite Debian's bootloader in the MBR. |
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| 13:22.11 | ChrisH | zetheroo: you confused me. 15:14 < zetheroo> md0 is /boot and md1 is swap and 5min later on my Q about /: 15:19 < zetheroo> on md0 |
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| 13:25.33 | zetheroo | The Ubuntu machine : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157195/ |
| 13:26.08 | zetheroo | ChrisH: sorry, to my knowledge md0 is /boot and / |
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| 13:26.24 | Losowski | zetheroo: Thanks |
| 13:26.25 | zetheroo | or bootable root partition ... |
| 13:26.45 | ikus060 | Hello, I'm experiencing a problem with debian testing. When resuming from suspend I can't enter the password to unlock the session because the computer doesn't respond to the keyboard, still the mouse respond and any application running in the background are still running. Any idea to solved it ? |
| 13:27.13 | ruslan_osmanov | hi. how do I remove gnome (3), keeping some of gtk applications like gnome-terminal? I'm moving to xfce4 |
| 13:27.35 | zetheroo | Ubuntu kernel config : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157197/ |
| 13:27.49 | zetheroo | Losowski: your welcome |
| 13:28.03 | ChrisH | zetheroo: can I get a df -h from both? Ubuntu fdisk -l output confuses me. |
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| 13:28.12 | zetheroo | sure |
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| 13:30.28 | UltraMC | what is difference between Gnome-shell and Gnome 3? |
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| 13:31.02 | Sevet | gnome shell is part of gnome 3 |
| 13:31.25 | zetheroo | ChrisH: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157203/ |
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| 13:32.59 | ChrisH | zetheroo: Now I understand what happened... and I personaly blame Ubuntu to do it wrong. |
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| 13:33.57 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:38.10 | ChrisH | zetheroo, Losowski: Debian does it the normal way: partition the disk and put the partitions into md devices and use them as you would use them without md in between. |
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| 13:38.45 | thewanderer1 | in Wheezy, will it be possible to install nvidia non-free drivers alongside mesa GLX and run both Intel and NVIDIA with accelerated 3D? perhaps it's possible now, but I don't know a way? |
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| 13:39.01 | abrotman | zetheroo: what are you trying to do ? |
| 13:39.11 | abrotman | thewanderer1: bumblebee or something like that |
| 13:39.15 | abrotman | wait .. wrong term |
| 13:39.30 | ChrisH | zetheroo, Losowski: Ubuntu simply mirrors the whole disk and put the partitions onto the md device.. compare the device files used to mount /... ubunto: /dev/md0p1 and debian /dev/md0 |
| 13:39.32 | abrotman | oh, that was right |
| 13:39.33 | thewanderer1 | if I manage to run one or the other, but not both, it's fine too |
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| 13:40.38 | BCMM | i'm having difficulty setting up SSH host keys. the ssh server is still asking for my password. what might i have done wrong? |
| 13:40.42 | abrotman | !tell thewanderer1 aboyut bumblebee |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | dpkg: tell thewanderer1 about bumblebee |
| 13:41.01 | abrotman | ugh .. use google :) |
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| 13:41.28 | ChrisH | BCMM: permission? created authorizedkyes file? tried ssh -v ? checked logfiles on server? |
| 13:41.43 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, doesn't that replace Intel's GLX libs with NVIDIA's? |
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| 13:42.39 | ruslan_osmanov | thewanderer1, I'm running bumblebee. It is the only good tool for Optimus nowadays as far as I know :/ |
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| 13:43.19 | thewanderer1 | ruslan_osmanov, I haven't got an OPTIMUS system - it'll be a desktop with an Intel IGP and NVIDIA GPU... |
| 13:43.28 | abrotman | thewanderer1: do the googly thing |
| 13:43.36 | abrotman | thewanderer1: oh! |
| 13:43.38 | thewanderer1 | !tell dutchfish about cdn.debian.net |
| 13:43.39 | ruslan_osmanov | thewanderer1, isn't it optimus? hmm, is it a laptop? |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | thewanderer1: i'd pick one |
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| 13:44.06 | BCMM | ChrisH: ssh -v confirms taht it's offering my DSA key |
| 13:44.32 | BCMM | authorized_keys was installed by ssh-copy-id and i have confirmed it has expected content |
| 13:44.33 | thewanderer1 | abrotman, if it lets me pick one - it's alright, just without messing up the other's GLX |
| 13:44.34 | BCMM | s |
| 13:45.23 | babilen | !tell dutchfish -about http.debian.net |
| 13:45.26 | ruslan_osmanov | thewanderer1, I also have Intel integrated GPU + nVidia's discrete GPU. They should be switched automatically by means of a driver. If so, you should have an optimus system |
| 13:45.48 | thewanderer1 | ruslan_osmanov, well, there is no driver to speak of, this is not a laptop |
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| 13:46.01 | ruslan_osmanov | thewanderer1, ah, sorry then |
| 13:46.02 | BCMM | ChrisH: and home dir, .ssh dir and auth keys file are all 0600 |
| 13:46.29 | thewanderer1 | I guess the real issue is this: I'll be dual-booting with Windows, I don't want 2 pairs of cables, so I'd rather plug only 1 pair of outputs |
| 13:46.40 | ChrisH | BCMM: either pastebin the ssh -v outout; ls -ld ~ ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/* or check the server's log forst |
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| 13:46.55 | dutchfish | hi, how can i configure /etc/apt/sources.lst for wheezy new generic round robin mirror list based on your own location for best access bandwidth? (debian.net) Any hints welcome. |
| 13:46.56 | BCMM | ChrisH: the auth log? |
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| 13:47.51 | babilen | dutchfish: Just check the private message from dpkg or read "/msg dpkg http.debian.net" or http://http.debian.net -- e.g. "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" |
| 13:48.04 | thewanderer1 | s/testing/wheezy/ |
| 13:48.27 | dutchfish | babilen, thanks! |
| 13:48.34 | babilen | np |
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| 13:48.56 | ChrisH | BCMM: good starting point |
| 13:48.58 | BCMM | does the default sshd config in squeeze permit keys? |
| 13:49.21 | BCMM | ChrisH: auth log is boring, either shows me finished authentication with a password or shows me disconnecting of my own accord |
| 13:49.54 | shadok | BCMM: yes, both password and key auth are enabled by default |
| 13:50.58 | BCMM | ChrisH: ok i'll redact ssh -v output for pastebinning |
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| 13:53.57 | ksk | hey |
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| 13:54.44 | ksk | is there a way to find out which "driver" the kernel is using for the harddrive/anything? |
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| 13:58.18 | BCMM | ksk: lspci -k |
| 13:58.38 | thewanderer1 | so... any way to make Intel and NVIDIA coexist on one system? assuming I want separate displays with GLX... (I'll just disable one or the other on an as-needed basis) |
| 13:58.42 | BCMM | ksk: thought it doesn't use drivers for hard disks, it uses drivers for hard disk controllers |
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| 13:59.24 | ksk | BCMM: you are right. thanks |
| 13:59.26 | stephanie88 | Hello guys i have found fantastic blowjobs! http://www.gallery-dump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=297292 |
| 13:59.42 | ksk | that was fast :> |
| 14:00.14 | BCMM | ksk: np |
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| 14:25.47 | BCMM | ChrisH: eventually worked out from logs that squeeze's server doesn't support RSA keys (too old). working now, thanks |
| 14:25.55 | BCMM | by logs, i mean from ssh -v |
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| 14:27.09 | themill | BCMM: squeeze's ssh most definitely supports RSA keys and that's the default sort of key to make and use. |
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| 14:27.35 | BCMM | themill: oh. that's odd, then |
| 14:27.43 | BCMM | because now it's working with a DSA key |
| 14:27.48 | themill | !ssh permissions |
| 14:27.49 | dpkg | You cannot use your ssh key if the permissions are set on your client so that someone else can steal it, or if the permissions on the remote machine permit someone else adding keys. On the client: chmod 755 ~/; chmod 700 ~/.ssh; chmod 600 ~/.ssh/id_rsa. On the server: chmod 755 ~/; chmod 700 ~/.ssh; chmod 600 ~/.ssh/authorized_keys See also <ssh-copy-id>. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SshKeys |
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| 14:27.59 | themill | BCMM: ^^ that's the normal issue |
| 14:28.07 | xispirito | i friend gave me a pentium MMX for free o.0, Debian can run on this? |
| 14:28.08 | dodger | (waow, great bot) |
| 14:28.17 | cardamon | BCMM: What themill said. |
| 14:28.24 | BCMM | i checked permissions, but thanks |
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| 14:28.36 | themill | BCMM: on both client and server? |
| 14:28.52 | Devastator | xispirito sure, why not? |
| 14:29.04 | xispirito | Devastator, horsepower? |
| 14:29.14 | BCMM | themill: on server, there's just one authourized keys file with both keys in, so theres' no reason for one to work and not the other |
| 14:29.31 | Devastator | xispirito you mean..? |
| 14:29.39 | BCMM | on the client, my id_dsa and id_rsa are both 0600 |
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| 14:30.35 | BCMM | themill: "Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-dss blen 433" - which one of these is RSA? |
| 14:30.36 | xispirito | Devastator, these new releases of Linux kernel are very pretty, but huge in size and so on...i mean a machine with 32mb(i think) and 200mhz processor clock |
| 14:30.43 | ChrisH | could it be, that these rsa keys are too short and therefore rejected? Just an idea. |
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| 14:31.04 | BCMM | ah, thanks. i look at that |
| 14:31.30 | Devastator | xispirito i have a 233MMX with 128Mb running lenny just fine, as a server though |
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| 14:32.19 | BCMM | ChrisH: ssh-keygen with default settings is generating a much longer key. i guess defaults have changed since i made this one? |
| 14:32.22 | xispirito | Devastator, good to know, my idea take these MMX and run ssh, Apache and NFS |
| 14:32.55 | themill | BCMM: would this be a very old key that's vulnerable? (see DSA 1571 and DSA 1574) |
| 14:33.12 | BCMM | i don't know |
| 14:33.14 | thewanderer1 | xispirito, RAM is a bigger issue than CPU - how much memory have you got? |
| 14:33.23 | BCMM | vulnerable to what? it was not generated under debian |
| 14:33.39 | jelly | BCMM: nor a debian derivative? |
| 14:33.40 | themill | !DSA1571 |
| 14:33.40 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys . Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
| 14:34.01 | ChrisH | BCMM: yes. they changed and IIRC sessions with shorter keys could be bruteforced !? |
| 14:34.04 | Devastator | xispirito i think it won't have the power for all this, maybe ssh and NFS only |
| 14:34.09 | xispirito | thewanderer1, and don't have looked yet, i think 32mb, but i have old memory for these on basement |
| 14:34.33 | BCMM | thanks, newly-generated key is working fine |
| 14:34.42 | thewanderer1 | xispirito, you won't be able to install directly on the machine using the installer, but if you do the installation on another PC and then move the disk, it'll work |
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| 14:35.33 | xispirito | certain Linux distributions gave me an error on machines old like that, when uncompressing kernel |
| 14:36.11 | merethan | xispirito, get yourself some ARM-based machine or something. More economical power-wise, most likely more computational power none the less and less prone to hardware failure (from an aging perspective). |
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| 14:36.19 | thewanderer1 | you might need to install the -486 kernel, not sure. but it'll work. |
| 14:36.34 | SiDz | if i make a br0 device with my eth0 + wlan0, i run hostapd on device wlan0 or br0? |
| 14:36.43 | SiDz | i think im gonna try that soon |
| 14:36.48 | thewanderer1 | ha, those Pentium MMX'es are the most resilient chips I've seen, mine still worked 1 year ago when I tried it |
| 14:36.49 | xispirito | merethan, i know, but these machine is a present |
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| 14:36.56 | SiDz | for now im using a /25 on wlan0 and /25 on eth0 |
| 14:37.29 | thewanderer1 | SiDz, I think on wlan0 |
| 14:37.37 | xispirito | thewanderer1, these chips are architected to resist a nuclear accident and zombie invasion o.0 |
| 14:37.41 | merethan | thewanderer1, true that. I've got even older machines (486DX) that still work. |
| 14:37.51 | cardamon | I like the ecdsa keys. |
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| 14:39.55 | crodjer | How can I load wifi firmwares in netw |
| 14:40.09 | crodjer | *net install, while booting from usb? |
| 14:40.47 | Sevet | !tell crodjer about installer firmware |
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| 14:41.32 | crodjer | Thanks Sevet |
| 14:42.53 | merethan | thewanderer1, I also like the old CPU designs better from the socket perspective. The sockets of today are comprised of pins, which are prone to bending and other breakage. The pre-Pentium4 chips had PCB's like RAM dimm's. Much better :) |
| 14:43.21 | merethan | The older SPARC's had PCB's too. |
| 14:43.31 | merethan | Much more gorilla-proof. |
| 14:44.29 | merethan | likes stuff to be durable and hard to break. |
| 14:44.35 | jelly | and they had much less frequencies that made such a design feasible |
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| 14:46.47 | merethan | BTW, did anybody noticed how up to date I am? Look at me having a IPv6 address :D |
| 14:47.12 | merethan | Yay for ATM. I love my Fritzbox. |
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| 14:47.40 | xispirito | where i'm live, maybe IPv6 comes in 2030 |
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| 14:48.37 | merethan | Well IPv4 still leaves you 4 billion nodes to communicate with. |
| 14:48.42 | Devastator | xispirito where is it? |
| 14:49.02 | xispirito | Devastator, Brazil |
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| 14:49.22 | nythrow | Hello guys. |
| 14:49.25 | Devastator | xispirito hehe, i know what you are talking about.. i'm from .br too |
| 14:49.26 | merethan | yow |
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| 14:49.32 | nythrow | Are eepc-acpi-scripts out-of-date? |
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| 14:49.43 | xispirito | Devastator, heh |
| 14:50.06 | Devastator | if you want ipv6, you can tunnel |
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| 14:51.15 | xispirito | for me is not important for now, just point how fast new tecnologies comes for here, fast like turtle of three legs |
| 14:51.58 | Devastator | i have the same feeling about hardware.. but that's offtopic anyway |
| 14:52.06 | xispirito | yeah... |
| 14:54.58 | nythrow | Does anyone use debian on eeepc and enabled function keys? |
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| 14:55.45 | jhutchins_wk | !eeepc |
| 14:55.46 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:56.41 | nsadmin | but you could put debian on an eeepc? |
| 14:56.54 | nsadmin | nm |
| 14:57.19 | nythrow | nsadmin: I've got debian on eeepc, but got I have got some problems with Functions keys. |
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| 14:57.36 | nythrow | I'm not sure if eeepc-acpi-scripts aren't out-of-date... |
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| 15:01.51 | xispirito | these days, i guy comes with an eeepc in my house, the machine not load BIOS, i test memory ram and it's ok, then i look for HD and \o/, is solded |
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| 15:02.16 | forgotten_ | solded? lol |
| 15:02.45 | nsadmin | bolded! |
| 15:03.26 | nsadmin | so the hd was gone? |
| 15:03.38 | xispirito | i don't know how to speak these in english =D |
| 15:04.04 | xispirito | the hd are fixed...like capacitors in motherboard /o\ |
| 15:04.04 | nsadmin | xispirito, no worries, just try |
| 15:04.12 | xispirito | how i speak? |
| 15:04.24 | nsadmin | you mean you cannot removeit |
| 15:04.29 | xispirito | yes |
| 15:04.36 | nsadmin | wow :/ |
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| 15:05.08 | nsadmin | well at least I still like asus motherboards... |
| 15:05.13 | ChrisH | The first EEEPCs had 4GB SSD soldered onto the mainboard. |
| 15:05.14 | superstraw | soldered the hard drive in? haven't seen that yet. |
| 15:05.25 | xispirito | soldered =D |
| 15:05.31 | superstraw | isn't that how it's spelled? |
| 15:05.39 | nsadmin | I think so |
| 15:06.41 | forgotten_ | oooh soldered i get it now :D |
| 15:06.47 | forgotten_ | i thought someone sold it |
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| 15:06.56 | nsadmin | meetoo :) |
| 15:06.57 | xispirito | forgotten, sorry heh |
| 15:07.03 | forgotten_ | lol no problem :) |
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| 15:08.39 | ChrisH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asus_Eee_PC#Specifications confirms my bio-memory... |
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| 15:36.07 | ElGalambo | hi |
| 15:36.10 | merethan | Hi |
| 15:37.17 | ElGalambo | Why do you use Debian sid over say Arch Linux or Fedora? |
| 15:38.12 | ElGalambo | Also why Debian stable over say Ubuntu or Mageia? |
| 15:38.13 | shadok | because my .deb files strangely can't install themselves through yum or pacman, looking for a solution for a few years now... |
| 15:38.27 | trysten | ElGalambo: because it's better. this is not the right place to ask. |
| 15:38.37 | themill | dpkg: tell ElGalambo about why debian |
| 15:38.40 | ElGalambo | shadok So it's just the packaging system? |
| 15:38.57 | ManoftheSea | trysten: would this discussion be better in debian-offtopic? |
| 15:39.15 | shadok | ElGalambo: nope, i was trolling you a bit, the best way to choose is to try IMHO |
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| 15:44.00 | ElGalambo | OK why use DBSD? |
| 15:44.11 | aguitel | what driver need to install for this card ?02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS] (rev a1) |
| 15:44.16 | ElGalambo | OK why use Debian BSD instead of Debian Linux*? |
| 15:45.19 | SiDz | it all depend on what u need |
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| 15:45.24 | ElGalambo | I'll ask in off-topic channel |
| 15:45.30 | SiDz | good idea |
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| 15:45.40 | babilen | ElGalambo: http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why -- Also → http://www.google.com → "why debian kfreebsd" and "why not debian kfreebsd". What are you *really* trying to do? |
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| 15:54.50 | aguitel | babilen, do you read my question? |
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| 15:56.33 | x1250 | hello guys. Question: should I expect some "proyectors" not to be compatible with debian, or should they all be compatible, so I don't worry about it and buy the one I like? :) |
| 15:56.42 | x1250 | this is the one I want to buy http://www.lechner.cl/product.php?id_product=11429 |
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| 16:03.25 | trysten | ManoftheSea: indeed it would! |
| 16:03.29 | jackkn | hi, Linux will not shutdown my laptop. I have tried everything, terminal commands, graphical stuff, etc but whenever I try and shut it down it always turns off for about 1 second, then turns back on again. does anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:04.25 | xcat | you ran 'shutdown -h now ' ? |
| 16:04.53 | derdon | I always use halt instead of shutdown |
| 16:05.00 | derdon | jackkn: which laptop? |
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| 16:05.34 | jackkn | derdon: halt doesn't work either. my laptop is an ASUS EeePC 1225B |
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| 16:05.47 | jackkn | but it's all the same with every distribution |
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| 16:06.09 | jackkn | xcat: tried that as well. |
| 16:06.52 | nkuttler | jackkn: maybe the kernel doesn't fully support your machine yet |
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| 16:07.03 | derdon | jackkn: do you use the latest linux kernel? have you googled if other people have the same problem with this laptop? |
| 16:07.11 | xcat | found this thread, might be related |
| 16:07.12 | xcat | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/unable-to-shutdown-asus-eeepc-on-linux-4175423011/ |
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| 16:07.19 | vitaminx | hi all |
| 16:07.59 | babilen | aguitel: Check yourself on ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ + versions from "/msg judd v nvidia-kernel-dkms" + README/README.txt |
| 16:08.09 | vitaminx | have just bought a Asus N56VZ notebook, running Debian testing/unstable on it (had testing but upgraded to unstable a day ago) |
| 16:08.24 | vitaminx | issue is that i get lots of system lock ups |
| 16:08.24 | jackkn | derdon: yes, but there is no fix :( |
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| 16:08.37 | derdon | jackkn: buy a new laptop then :P |
| 16:08.45 | vitaminx | mouse freezes, whole desktop is frozen, nothing goes, not even sysrq |
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| 16:09.04 | vitaminx | any idea where i could start to troubleshoot that? |
| 16:09.18 | jackkn | derdon: can't afford it |
| 16:09.25 | jackkn | I'm 13 :P |
| 16:09.48 | nkuttler | vitaminx: try various kernels, use no binary blob kernel modules, see if you can access the box over the network |
| 16:09.57 | derdon | jackkn: less than half a year left and it's christmas time! hooray |
| 16:10.13 | jackkn | derdon: hang on, I think I've found a fix |
| 16:10.21 | jackkn | I pray this will work... |
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| 16:10.49 | vitaminx | nkuttler: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 16:11.14 | nkuttler | vitaminx: sometime it's possible to reboot or even restart x when it's locked.. |
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| 16:12.25 | vitaminx | nkuttler: yes i will try next time but i think no go, as "everything" is locked, even keyboard (no capslock light etc.) |
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| 16:13.55 | vitaminx | i just need to find out if it's a hardware issue (to change the laptop while it's in warranty) or linux issue |
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| 16:14.34 | ultra_ | Installed Debian Wheezy CD1 and forgot to check "Desktop enviroment". Now after manually installing Gnome3 am lacking Nautilus or even default webbrowser - how to install "Desktop enviroment" packages? |
| 16:14.48 | nkuttler | vitaminx: well, different distros having the lockups points to hardware. also check your error logs, for X, syslog etc |
| 16:15.06 | nkuttler | but network access is probably the easiest to try |
| 16:15.56 | babilen | ultra_: You have multiple options. How did you install gnome3 ? Please see "/msg dpkg install gnome" for an overview of suitable metapackages or use tasksel to install the desktop task. Please note that the latter will pull in *a lot* of packages that you might not want and you can just as well install what you really need/want now. |
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| 16:16.57 | nkuttler | should probabyl try the current gnome + kde again some day.. |
| 16:17.03 | ultra_ | babilen, Ive got basic console where Ive installed Gnome3 from my CD. |
| 16:17.32 | ultra_ | btw babilen, now to run gnome I need to gnome-session or startx - how to start it automaticly |
| 16:18.12 | babilen | ultra_: Ok. How exactly did you install gnome3? You probably also want to install a login manager such as gdm. I would start with the "gnome-session" or "gnome-core" metapackage and gdm. |
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| 16:18.57 | ultra_ | babilen, I've "aptitude install gnome-session" |
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| 16:20.00 | babilen | ultra_: So you want a larger metapackage. I guess that gnome-core suits your needs as it will pull in nautilus and gdm3 amond a couple of other things too. |
| 16:20.36 | ultra_ | babilen, is gnome-core is that what contains desktop icons, cd burning, GIMP, few webbrowsers, gtedit? |
| 16:20.41 | ultra_ | gedit* |
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| 16:21.59 | babilen | ultra_: It doesn't depend on gedit, but you can *always* install whatever you want. I would start with a "apt-get install gnome-core gedit" and take it from there. Just install whatever you need/want afterwards. |
| 16:22.46 | babilen | ultra_: You can, naturally, install the "gnome" metapackage, but that pulls in an awful lot of packages and I dislike it because of that. |
| 16:23.11 | ultra_ | babilen, I do not know what I need, coz its my first Linux to be honest |
| 16:24.07 | ultra_ | Why when apt-get or aptitude it allways say its going to be downlaoded without authentication? |
| 16:24.25 | trysten | yeah, how does a normal person fix the APT keys? |
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| 16:25.07 | vitaminx | nkuttler: here is an excerpt of /var/log/messages of the currently booted system: http://pastebin.com/HaDGkJiQ |
| 16:25.36 | vitaminx | there are some issues, maybe they could be related to lockup (which will come inevitably in some minutes) |
| 16:25.40 | lasers | ultra_: "sudo apt-get install gnome-core" |
| 16:26.02 | ultra_ | lasers, aaa kekeke i have no sudo yet :D:D |
| 16:26.02 | babilen | ultra_: Ok, that is a separete issue. Given that you are a completely new user (and therefore don't know what you want/could want) it might make sense to install a bunch of applications to explore what alternatives there are. To fix the GPG issue you should make sure that you have the "debian-archive-keyring" package installed. |
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| 16:26.20 | vitaminx | using "enable_mtrr_cleanup" kernel parameter by the way |
| 16:26.27 | ultra_ | babilen, ty! |
| 16:26.46 | babilen | ultra_: So, start with "apt-get update ; apt-get install debian-archive-keyring ; apt-get update ; apt-get install gnome gnome-core" and you should be set. |
| 16:27.15 | ultra_ | babilen, why to apt-get update? Isint it nessesary only after adding sources.list? |
| 16:28.36 | babilen | ultra_: You might also like to take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant and http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html -- You should be aware that wheezy has *not yet* been released and that it is not considered to be suitable for new users. I would also recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/ (free to read online!) .. |
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| 16:29.38 | ultra_ | babilen, I like Gnome3 like any other DM, and they told me to get Wheezy |
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| 16:31.39 | babilen | ultra_: Yeah, gnome3 is not in Squeeze (current stable release) -- Running and installing Wheezy is therefore your only option if you want to use Debian. It is OK to do so, but don't expect it to be entirely smooth and you *will* run into issues that you find hard to solve yourself. The best advice I can give you: 1. Never add any third party repos to /etc/apt/sources.list 2. If you have a problem: Read documentation and ASK. 3. Be happy :) |
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| 16:32.13 | vitaminx | nkuttler: just locked up again - had to hard reboot... did i miss something? |
| 16:32.19 | ultra_ | babilen, what sort of issues you think of? |
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| 16:32.46 | vitaminx | btw. i just tested - machine was not pingable / ssh-able in locked state |
| 16:33.55 | babilen | ultra_: Wheezy is still plagued by a bunch of quite severe bugs (we would release it if it weren't) and packages might be uninstallable/unavailable for some reasons. That is all nothing that can't be dealt with, but it might be hard for you to do it yourself. |
| 16:33.59 | lasers | ultra_: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ -- You can find it out yourself -- There are hundreds, if not thousands. |
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| 16:35.50 | Aether_ | I'm running Wheezy i386 on an IBM ThinkPad T42. I installed ``laptop-mode-tools" to help manage battery power. When I close the lid on the laptop it goes into sleep mode perfectly. The battery light turns off and the sleep light turns on. When I re-open the lid the it does the inverse of what I explained but the screen won't turn back on. Does anyone know how to make the screen turn back on? |
| 16:35.50 | Aether_ | If anyone needs to see output of any command or a config file I will do so. |
| 16:35.52 | lasers | ultra_: Install sudo. Add yourself to sudo group. Install gnome-core. Restart. And see if you face any issues. We can't predict everything for you. |
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| 16:37.12 | lasers | Aether_: Does "Press the power button" work for you? My laptop goes in suspend mode when I closed the lid, but I have to press it on (to wake it up)? It's a wild guess, really. |
| 16:39.03 | Aether_ | lasers: Still and blank screen. |
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| 16:41.32 | ultra_ | ty lasers and babilen |
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| 16:41.38 | sney | Aether_: I had a T42 and it has a buggy acpi bios, apm works far better for that model but unfortunately I don't think apm is in debian anymroe |
| 16:41.40 | lasers | Aether_: Erm. Have you tried switching to TTY after the laptop wakes up (with blank screen)? |
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| 16:42.13 | sney | Aether_: also, waking up from suspend to disk will take quite some time with an IDE hard drive, how long have you waited for it to come back up? |
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| 16:43.45 | Aether_ | lasers: I put it into sleep mode from the terminal. I was not in OpenBox at the time. It might work from there, but that isn't the point. It should come out of sleep from the terminal as well, right? |
| 16:44.16 | Aether_ | sney: The light comes back almost instantly. I waited for about 30 seconds. |
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| 16:45.40 | lasers | Aether_: Yes. I was wondering if "xset s off -dpms" will work. |
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| 16:46.18 | lasers | Aether_: That's my last attempt. Because if it does not, I'm out of ideas. |
| 16:46.56 | Aether_ | lasers: Do you mean to type that into the console beforhand and see if it will come out of sleep mode? |
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| 16:47.20 | sney | Aether_: yes, the light just says the power is on. Suspend to disk works by taking all of the contents of your system ram and storing them in the swap partition. when you wake the system up, it has to do the reverse and load all those 100s of MBs back into ram. It's not a very quick process even on a new computer. |
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| 16:47.23 | drigollier | re |
| 16:47.51 | sney | Aether_: so I'd try it again and just walk away for a few minutes and see if it comes back up |
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| 16:49.35 | Aether_ | sney: Okay, that is what I'm doing now. |
| 16:49.39 | lasers | Aether_: Quite possibly. It's a hit or miss approach for all problems in here. I was thinking about TTY. If sney have that same laptop, then he is likely to give you better suggestions. |
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| 16:50.22 | cusco | hi |
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| 16:50.51 | cusco | im trying to set up a init script using start-stop-daemon ... proccess is never what stop-start-daemon writes on pid file |
| 16:50.57 | Aether_ | lasers: Thanks you anyways for your time. I appreciate it. |
| 16:50.58 | cusco | seems to be always 2 pids after |
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| 16:52.14 | somiaj | cusco: what are you using to write the pid in the file? |
| 16:52.25 | aguitel | babilen, i try to install this driver:http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-304.37-driver.html (i use nvidia-current in debian ) but is not working ,and when i installed nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx it works ,id this some bug ? |
| 16:52.48 | sney | aguitel: what gpu? |
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| 16:52.59 | Aether_ | sney: It's not coming back up. This problem has been bugging me for days now. |
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| 16:53.20 | aguitel | sney, VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G72 [GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS] (rev a1 |
| 16:53.23 | Ibra25 | ciao |
| 16:53.23 | sney | Aether_: do you have another machine handy? can you see if the laptop responds to ping, or if you can ssh into it? |
| 16:53.32 | Ibra25 | !list |
| 16:53.32 | dpkg | ibra25: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 16:53.50 | somiaj | cusco: my first guess is the process you are running is just a launcher so that then launches another process which is the actual pid you want. |
| 16:54.16 | somiaj | aguitel: what drivers are you using for that nvidia card? |
| 16:54.55 | sney | aguitel: so why did you install the legacy driver if your gpu is still supported? also, don't use the nvidia.com installer, it's breaky |
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| 16:55.09 | aguitel | somiaj, right now i am using the serie legacy-173xx |
| 16:55.17 | Ibra25 | ragazzi c'è qualcuno che mi da una mano? |
| 16:55.26 | aguitel | sney, because it is not working |
| 16:55.27 | sney | Ibra25: inglese icci per favore |
| 16:55.31 | sney | !doesnt work |
| 16:55.31 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 16:55.45 | somiaj | aguitel: that could be your suspend problem right there. Do you need 3d acceleration? Why not try nv or nouveau? |
| 16:55.53 | Aether_ | sney: I typed into the terminal while the screen was blank `touch on' and the file wasn't there. |
| 16:55.56 | Ibra25 | !list |
| 16:55.56 | dpkg | ibra25: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:56.08 | somiaj | aguitel: sometimes those older nvidia dirvers didn't suspend/resume correctly causing x to crash in the processes. |
| 16:56.17 | sney | somiaj: the suspend problem is someone else |
| 16:56.31 | aguitel | somiaj, nouveau give me blinking lines |
| 16:57.03 | aguitel | somiaj, with nv ,x not starting |
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| 16:57.24 | somiaj | sney: ahh, (: |
| 16:57.27 | babilen | aguitel: You installed the nvidia driver from nvidia.com which we can and won't support in here. I would strongly recommend to install the driver the Debian way (/msg dpkg nvidia dkms) or seek help in ##nvidia -- All driver versions in Debian support your GPU and you really shouldn't have a problem. |
| 16:57.28 | sney | Aether_: is it reachable on the network, though? |
| 16:57.49 | somiaj | aguitel: if you want to use the non-free drivers you'll have to use the legacy drivers because the newer drivers wont support your card. |
| 16:57.50 | aguitel | babilen, not .i installed with debian way |
| 16:57.57 | babilen | aguitel: How? |
| 16:58.30 | aguitel | babilen, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ |
| 16:58.50 | Aether_ | sney: I havn't tried that yet. I will in one moment. What I just tried was going into OpenBox and putting the computer to sleep. The same problem happens. |
| 16:59.06 | babilen | aguitel: That wiki page is horrible and lists *all* possible installation methods in a very confusing way. What did *you* do? |
| 17:00.04 | aguitel | babilen, i use module-assistant |
| 17:00.13 | babilen | aguitel: FWIW, the recommended way is "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" (wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/#Use_DKMS) with a minimal configuration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 17:00.52 | aguitel | babilen, i will try again |
| 17:01.05 | heoa | pparadis: returned from work? I am wondering what you meant with 'ps --group web-content' , 14:34, http://pastie.org/4555826 |
| 17:01.33 | cusco | somiaj: it seems that the proccess i'm running will see if --user flag is set to change the uid and then lanch.. its a ruby script .. im no good at ruby |
| 17:01.43 | cusco | anyway, what should I do to keep track if it is running |
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| 17:02.54 | babilen | aguitel: Ok. I would recommend to purge the module assistant installation and switch to dkms. Furthermore make sure that you hava a suitable conifguration file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/. So: 1. Purge *all* nvidia packages. 2. Remove any /etc/X11/xorg.conf you might have 3. Follow "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" 4. Reboot and show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and the output of "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf" Good luck! |
| 17:02.59 | heoa | How can I run apache with user:group www-data:web-content? |
| 17:03.01 | Aether_ | sney: No, I get a destination unreachable while the screen is blank |
| 17:03.40 | somiaj | cusco: in a case like that I would think you would have to have the script write its own pid file once it is fully running with the final process. |
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| 17:04.17 | somiaj | cusco: you could try some fancy ps and grep to see if the process is running if you don't want to do it though the script, but that sounds hackish to me. |
| 17:04.27 | cusco | yes I thought about that |
| 17:04.32 | somiaj | heoa: have you checked the apache config files /etc/apache2/foo |
| 17:04.33 | cusco | I would rather not but in last case |
| 17:04.34 | sney | Aether_: ok, so it's not waking back up. I just checked and apm is still in debian, it's in the apmd package, try using that instead (and try both suspend to ram and suspend to disk) |
| 17:04.56 | cusco | ps ax|grep flashpolicyd.rb|head -n1|while read pid bla; do echo $pid; done |
| 17:05.10 | sney | Aether_: oh, but the package description says you have to use a modified kernel |
| 17:06.07 | Aether_ | sney: Aw. I see. I really don't wish to mess with my kernel. So, I don't know what to do from here. |
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| 17:06.34 | sney | Aether_: don't use suspend? :/ |
| 17:07.02 | Aether_ | sney: I don't follow. What do you mean? |
| 17:07.36 | sney | I mean your computer isn't waking up from suspend, so don't suspend it in the first place. change the power settings so that closing the lid does nothing |
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| 17:08.32 | Aether_ | sney: Oh. Sorry. Yeah that seems like that is the only option for me at this point. I guess turning off the screen will save nearly as much power as suspending it. |
| 17:08.39 | heoa | somiaj: yes line 144-145, and it just mentions the /etc/apache2/envvars that I have changed |
| 17:08.54 | heoa | (but still my apache runs with wrong group) |
| 17:09.33 | Aether_ | sney: Thanks for your time with this :) |
| 17:09.41 | themill | heoa: how do you figure that? |
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| 17:10.18 | heoa | themill: easy, ps -aux |grep apache |
| 17:10.20 | somiaj | heoa: the next thing I would check is the init.d script, maybe it is set in there |
| 17:10.26 | heoa | themill: after restarting apache |
| 17:10.37 | themill | heoa: we established that "ps -aux" is showing you the user not the gorup |
| 17:11.12 | heoa | themill: how can you see the group? |
| 17:11.34 | themill | heoa: that's in what you pastebinned last |
| 17:11.41 | heoa | ? |
| 17:11.53 | heoa | http://pastie.org/4555826 <--- this one? |
| 17:12.07 | heoa | It mentions ust apache2 |
| 17:12.10 | heoa | err just |
| 17:12.13 | themill | and the command was? |
| 17:12.49 | heoa | 14:34 < pparadis> heoa: what does 'ps --group web-content' say? |
| 17:12.57 | heoa | 14:34 < pparadis> heoa: what does 'ps --group web-content' say? |
| 17:12.59 | themill | heoa: and what does "--group" do? |
| 17:13.06 | heoa | (err sorry) |
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| 17:13.35 | heoa | It was suggested by pparadis I tried to ask him to explain this, cannot understand. |
| 17:13.55 | themill | heoa: ps has a good man page that explains what this option does |
| 17:14.15 | heoa | --group grplist Select by effective group ID (EGID) or name. |
| 17:14.35 | heoa | EGID, googliing... |
| 17:14.36 | themill | heoa: you could also try the following: ps -o pid,user,group,fname $(pidof apache2) |
| 17:14.55 | themill | heoa: EGID == effective group ID |
| 17:15.12 | heoa | themill: http://pastie.org/4557424 |
| 17:15.20 | heoa | themill: yes but what does it mean in practise? |
| 17:15.38 | themill | heoa: I don't want to see the paste output -- I want you to look at it yourself ;) |
| 17:16.38 | heoa | Group 1001? |
| 17:17.04 | heoa | user=www-data Is right but one process is root:root, worrynig? |
| 17:17.19 | themill | one process has to be root:root to bind to port 80 |
| 17:17.20 | heoa | the group is wrong, it should be web-content. |
| 17:17.50 | heoa | or what does 1001 mean? Is it some octal bits? |
| 17:17.53 | themill | either web-content is too long to be displayed so it gets replaced by the group ID or you have two groups with the same group id |
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| 17:18.04 | themill | can't remember what ps does in that case |
| 17:18.23 | themill | heoa: "getent group 1001" will tell you what group name that corresponds to |
| 17:18.57 | heoa | web-content:x:1001:www-data,xyz,apache |
| 17:19.10 | heoa | from /etc/group |
| 17:19.14 | themill | win |
| 17:19.20 | heoa | So that is correct? |
| 17:19.28 | heoa | What is x? |
| 17:20.39 | themill | a place holder for where the password would be if there were one and you were permitted to see it (and you weren't using shadow passwords) |
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| 17:25.14 | aguitel | babilen, dkms way is not builid /etc/X11/xorg.conf ,is that correct ? |
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| 17:26.40 | babilen | aguitel: You do *not* need/use a /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but you *have* to create a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf -- Commands that do that are in the "/msg dpkg nvidia dkms" factoid (the "mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" and "echo .... > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf") -- Just run those, make sure that you *do not* have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf and reboot. |
| 17:27.13 | aguitel | babilen, ok i will do it |
| 17:27.39 | heoa | themill: somiaj You are great! Thank you. |
| 17:28.01 | sney | wonders vaguely why the xorg.conf.d snippet isn't even offered in the postinst for nvidia-glx |
| 17:28.11 | themill | heoa: no worries, have fun |
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| 17:29.08 | somiaj | sney: I think it would be easier to put it in say /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/examples then have it put in automatically myself, but yes I agree. |
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| 17:33.45 | Synthead | how do I find the version of the package available with apt-cache? |
| 17:34.00 | somiaj | Synthead: apt-cache show 'pkgname' |
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| 17:34.09 | somiaj | that will show you lots of info, including version |
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| 17:34.34 | sney | Synthead: I think what you're looking for is apt-cache policy |
| 17:34.38 | somiaj | Synthead: if you have mutliple versions from your sources.list you can use apt-cache policy 'pkgname' to see which one will be installed |
| 17:34.38 | Synthead | somiaj: ah, ok. can't display the versions with the list from 'apt-cache search pkg' ? |
| 17:35.24 | somiaj | Synthead: in most cases you shouldnt have multiple versions available to you, so searchis just returning package names. You will have to do something else to check the version. |
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| 17:35.44 | heoa | themill: somiaj Is there any general way to make arbitrary program to run with certain user:group -combination? |
| 17:36.40 | themill | heoa: you'd often do this with options to start-stop-daemon from the init script |
| 17:36.45 | heoa | (here it was essential to check the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf but can I always trust that it is something like that?) |
| 17:36.51 | Sevet | heoa: setuid/setgid |
| 17:37.25 | heoa | (/etc/pache2/apache2.conf instructed to check the envvars -file |
| 17:37.47 | heoa | after that the task was just making sure that process really was running in right user:group |
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| 17:38.29 | heoa | Sevet: For some reason, I try to avoid using them -- easy newbie errs to do...probably. |
| 17:39.02 | heoa | (management becomes more diverse after you start to use setuid/setgid?) |
| 17:39.43 | Sevet | if you're talking about daemons the correct way is to have start-stop-daemon do it, or start it as root and change user & drop privileges... setuid/setgid is more for things like /bin/ping |
| 17:40.23 | themill | heoa: there's no generic way of doing this that works across all services, no. |
| 17:41.46 | xispirito | themill, selinux, if configured properly, maybe can confine all these things |
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| 17:44.03 | xispirito | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PRJ99wuV1ng |
| 17:44.09 | xispirito | ops, wrong channel |
| 17:44.35 | abrotman | looks for ops |
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| 17:45.25 | xispirito | c'mon, just a wrong shift+insert o.0 |
| 17:45.36 | DimmuR | hello everyone. I'm using debian 32bit and Advanced-N 6230 with iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode in /lib/firmware and connection with wpa2/psk. Very often i get firefox crashed and sometimes even whole window manager anyone can point me how can i track what's wrong? (dmesg/syslog is quiet) |
| 17:46.00 | DimmuR | This doesn't happen when i'm using cable connection |
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| 17:47.21 | DimmuR | tbh firefox and other newtork programs are crashing whole time not only from time to time :/ |
| 17:47.29 | pikaro | hi! i'd like to run an old program that needs libgtk-1.2, which is not available in wheezy. i guess it has been discontinued for a reason, but is there some way to provide backwards compatibility? all i see on google is 'just get it from another branch', and i've been told in here that this isn't too clever. |
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| 17:49.06 | jhutchins_wk | DimmuR: What release are you using? |
| 17:49.14 | togge_ | I have this annoying problem when i code and acidential pressing altgr+space, which is a unicode character, not visable in vim.. is there any way to map Ua0c2 to space ? in xmodmap or something ? |
| 17:49.30 | jhutchins_wk | DimmuR: Firefox shouldn't crash from a bad network connection. |
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| 17:50.51 | DimmuR | jhutchins, i'm debian testing and those crashes are only when i'm on wifi connection |
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| 17:52.13 | DimmuR | jhutchins, i also get errors when i try scp: eceived disconnect from <ip>: 2: Corrupted MAC on input. |
| 17:52.57 | jhutchins_wk | DimmuR: It might be useful to compare how the system behaves with stable. |
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| 17:53.43 | DimmuR | stable version was too outdated :( |
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| 17:54.43 | DimmuR | here we go again ^^ |
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| 17:56.22 | pikaro | sorry, router crashed on me -.- was there a response? |
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| 17:57.07 | nkuttler | pikaro: no |
| 17:57.13 | pikaro | too bad |
| 17:57.47 | nkuttler | how old is libgtk? you can always create a vm with an obsolte install.. |
| 17:58.01 | pikaro | that would be my next step |
| 17:58.23 | nkuttler | pikaro: is 1.2 in squeeze? |
| 17:58.28 | nkuttler | ,v libgtk-1.2 |
| 17:58.30 | judd | No package named 'libgtk-1.2' was found in i386. |
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| 17:58.42 | nkuttler | yeah, looks ancient |
| 17:59.11 | jelly-home | pikaro: gtk1 was removed around debian 4 or so. You could set up a VM and install an old release in it |
| 17:59.52 | xispirito | an idea: can gtk* compiled as static? |
| 17:59.55 | pikaro | wow, no results from package search. ok, no chance then, i guess :\ thanks for helping, ayways :) |
| 18:00.14 | xispirito | if yes, maybe he can set a VM, chroot or something and compile static |
| 18:00.22 | nkuttler | !tell pikaro about archive |
| 18:00.32 | pikaro | xispirito, i guess a vm would be easier, it's an old program and thus not demanding |
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| 18:01.12 | pikaro | thanks nkuttler |
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| 18:02.06 | jelly-home | pikaro: I can't be bothered to look at which release exactly it is you'd need, but if you guess by the timestamps, etch ought to be fine http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gtk+1.2/ |
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| 18:02.14 | jelly-home | !release history |
| 18:02.14 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 18:02.51 | jelly-home | sarge definitely |
| 18:02.53 | pikaro | jelly-home, thanks, i'll find out myself, etch is likely to be a good start |
| 18:02.57 | pikaro | oh ok ^^ |
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| 18:03.19 | pikaro | wow that was not long after i started using debian O.o |
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| 18:04.31 | pikaro | off to try this, then, thanks :) |
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| 18:10.43 | merethan | Upgrading my first machine to Wheezy... |
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| 18:22.12 | galvao | Hi everyone. I'm trying to mount my Samsung Galaxy SIII. Tried installing mtpfs and libmtp as described in many tutorials out there, but when I run "sudo mtpfs -o allow_other /media/Galaxy" all I get is "fuse: bad mount point `/media/Galaxy': Transport endpoint is not connected" Can anyone help? |
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| 18:24.51 | sney | galvao: does /media/Galaxy exist as a directory? |
| 18:25.10 | galvao | sney: yes, I've created it |
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| 18:25.40 | galvao | and chmodded it to 775 as described in a tutorial |
| 18:26.02 | sney | hmm. well, my smartphone is just recognized as regular usb storage, so I don't know much about what you're doing |
| 18:26.35 | galvao | Yeah, the new models are coming without USB mass storage so... :/ |
| 18:26.43 | aguitel | babilen, according nvidia site my card (GeForce 7300 SE/7200 GS ) need the driver 302.xx seri that i nstalled following /msg dpkg nvidia dkms but glxgears run very slowly ; then i installed following /msg dpkg nvidia dkms-173xx and now the system run smootly and glxgears are fine ,do you know why ? |
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| 18:27.44 | sney | aguitel: it could be because the 7xxx series is an older gpu architecture. maybe the 173 driver is just better for it |
| 18:27.48 | hfuist_ | can please anyone make sure that aircrack-ng will enter into official wheezy? |
| 18:27.58 | galvao | hmmm just found a new piece that might help... |
| 18:28.24 | sney | hfuist_: it won't even be considered. talk to the maintainer. |
| 18:28.39 | aguitel | sney, yeah but why the nvidia site dont tell this? |
| 18:28.58 | babilen | aguitel: It does not -- Please check their README.txt for each driver version. In particular ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/README.txt lists your card as being supported. (you can check other versions by changing the version string/browsing) |
| 18:29.00 | silverarrow | at some point debian ppc packages broke for mplayer and browser plugins |
| 18:29.12 | silverarrow | and it never was sorted out |
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| 18:29.58 | silverarrow | it has seeped through to mintppc, ubuntu-ppc, fedora-ppc, |
| 18:29.58 | babilen | aguitel: nvidia.com probably justs lists whatever newest driver supports your card -- Good to hear that it is running smoothly. Would you mind installing mesa-utils, running "glxinfo | grep -iE "render(ing|er)"" and pasting the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 18:30.39 | sney | silverarrow: were bugs filed or did people just wait for the maintainers to notice |
| 18:31.03 | silverarrow | not sure, I have been filing bugs in lubuntu |
| 18:31.06 | babilen | aguitel: And you don't need the 173xx driver, not at all. I would have mentioned that earlier if that were the case. |
| 18:31.33 | silverarrow | sney; I am a bit worried that bugs not filed directly to debian gets ignored |
| 18:32.20 | aguitel | babilen, "glxinfo | grep -iE "render(ing|er)"" is this correct ? |
| 18:32.40 | silverarrow | sney, but it`s correct, debian devs might not have been given any good reports on the issue |
| 18:32.45 | babilen | aguitel: So, please show me the output of the previous command and paste your Xorg.0.log ... The command is: glxinfo | grep -iE "render(ing|er)" |
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| 18:36.08 | aguitel | Guest9965, http://paste.debian.net/184777/ |
| 18:36.24 | Shadow` | anything i can find out with: The computer has rebooted from a bugcheck. |
| 18:36.31 | Shadow` | and the data that comes with this? |
| 18:37.29 | Shadow` | lol |
| 18:37.31 | Shadow` | wrong channel |
| 18:38.17 | silverarrow | can someone give me a help with a bug report for debian, but its` a bit hard because I haven`t debian installed right now |
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| 18:38.41 | silverarrow | I`m not sure it is even possible |
| 18:38.43 | nkuttler | silverarrow: how do you know there's a debian bug then? |
| 18:39.10 | nkuttler | btw, ` is an accent, an apostrophe looks like ' |
| 18:39.12 | galvao | well. I guess I'm screwed: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=83334&p=449101#p449101 |
| 18:39.43 | silverarrow | I am pretty sure, because I have been troguh debian ppc, mintppc, lubuntu-ppc, xubuntu-ppc, and fedora-ppc, and it is exactly the same issue |
| 18:39.54 | Sevet | silverarrow: you can email bug reports to submit@bugs.debian.org - see http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting 'Sending the bug report via e-mail', but it would be useful to have debian installed to confirm the bug and the package version it is in |
| 18:40.07 | silverarrow | I`m just not up for installing debianppc all over just for a bugreport |
| 18:40.19 | silverarrow | but I do understand it would be an advantage |
| 18:41.10 | Guest9965 | aguitel: yeah, you are using the 173xx driver -- That version shouldn't support your GPU according to ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.31/README/README.txt -- Would you mind showing me the same output/logs for 195.36.31-6 in squeeze |
| 18:41.17 | silverarrow | Sevet: thanks |
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| 18:42.16 | aguitel | Guest9965, i am in testing ,there is no option to install 195.xx series |
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| 18:42.54 | babilen_ | aguitel: Ah, you should have mentioned that. Let me check for a second ... |
| 18:43.08 | FLeiXiuS | In a deb package, if I create a usr/local/bin/executable will it automatically be installed or do I have to specify in a .install file where the files go. |
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| 18:45.56 | babilen_ | aguitel: Yeah, you should just install nvidia-kernel-dkms and *not* the 173xx variant. (cf. ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/302.17/README/README.txt) |
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| 18:46.29 | aguitel | babilen_, ok |
| 18:46.51 | rawburt | silverarrow: so you just want to tell the Debian developers there is a problem, but not provide them with the information they need that you might even know to look for? |
| 18:46.56 | Sevet | FLeiXiuS: it's a combination of debian/rules, debhelper and .files or .install. your makefile should support the DESTDIR variable so that it installs to somewhere like debian/tmp and debhelper then uses .files/.install to put the files from there into the .deb |
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| 18:47.21 | FLeiXiuS | Sevet, Awesome, got it. |
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| 18:47.41 | Sevet | FLeiXiuS: read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 18:47.46 | FREElinuxVPS | FREE SERVER LINUX VPS LIFETIME http://www.host1free.com/free-vps/?ap_id=hollyboom bnc bot |
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| 18:48.01 | xispirito | o.0 |
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| 18:48.26 | Sevet | FLeiXiuS: and you're free to examine any of the debian packages to see how they do it using 'apt-get source pkgname' |
| 18:48.33 | hfuist_ | sney: I know that it is not being considered at the moment. People told me that a so called `ftp master' needs to agree. |
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| 18:49.22 | sney | hfuist_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682005 there, now you have the same information as the maintainer |
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| 18:50.55 | beli | hi there i am on debian squeeze using iscsi for my root and home partitions. after a connection error i am not able to bring the server back. sda1 is mounted to / but sda2 isnt to /home. i can login to the machine after removing the sda2 line from fstab (here is my original fstab http://pastebin.com/di6qFQ4d) |
| 18:51.27 | beli | any ideas, why sda1 is found and sda isnt mounted anymore. using udev there are no sda* device files in /dev |
| 18:51.41 | immotus | I'm trying to boot off of iSCSI and am wondering what the best way to keep the network service from mucking with the network setup since I handle all of that in the initrd. I know how to use update-rc.d but the image is not bootable yet, and so I want to know how to do what update-rc.d does manually. |
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| 18:51.44 | sney | hfuist_: as the final message says, it'll likely be in wheezy-backports, so wheezy users will have it available anyway |
| 18:52.10 | beli | immotus: uh, two iscsi problems at the same time ;) |
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| 18:52.24 | immotus | beli: isn't iSCSI troubleshooting fun? :^) |
| 18:52.40 | hfuist_ | sney: that explains things; thanks |
| 18:52.59 | beli | immotus: the problem for me is that it worked fine. just after reboot sda2 wont mount to /home for some reason :( |
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| 18:54.16 | immotus | beli: my iSCSI devices seem to show up as /dev/sdc, even though I only have one hard drive attached (detected as /dev/sdb). I haven't fiigured out what /dev/sda points to yet |
| 18:55.05 | immotus | beli: is /home supposed to be mounted from an LVM over iSCSI? you might be able to specify the mountpoint by it's /dev/$VG/$LV path.. if not, try it's UUID |
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| 18:55.56 | Synthead | I'm backporting zabbix 2.0.2 to squeeze. I got the source package from sid and everything has been fine so far except for this: http://pastie.org/4557860 Now sure how to get around that compatibility level thing. Any thoughts? |
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| 18:56.30 | beli | immotus: i am not really into iscsi. my hoster provides server with it. and after a connection failure to the filer my partitions do not come back correctly. i can mount them fine after rescue boot. but the server wont come back on normal netboot with the same kernel...nothing in the logs also... |
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| 18:56.47 | beli | immotus: http://pastebin.com/tA9Zfwsv thats my dmesg output related to iscsi |
| 18:57.31 | Synthead | Not* |
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| 18:59.12 | hfuist_ | sney: yes, but it's a pity anyway. on popcon.debian.org/by_inst it's on #6724, on Feb 12 it was on #4731 |
| 18:59.13 | Synthead | ah, debian/compat |
| 18:59.20 | babilen_ | ,checkbackport zabbix |
| 18:59.25 | judd | Backporting package zabbix in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual. |
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| 19:00.24 | babilen_ | Synthead: You have to install debhelper from backports -- That being said the recipe in "/msg dpkg ssb" should work and I wouldn't expect any problems while backports zabbix. |
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| 19:01.33 | immotus | beli: is the system able to come up? it just doesn't have /home? |
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| 19:02.19 | Synthead | babilen_: excellent, thanks :) yeah, zabbix should be pretty trivial. I got a .rpm already backported for other systems and it was easy to do. |
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| 19:03.08 | beli | immotus: from rescue mode i edited my fstab and deleted the sda2 line, so it comes up and i can login and su to root |
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| 19:08.19 | jhutchins_wk | beli: You might need to get your hosting provider to check the SAN. |
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| 19:09.31 | beli | jhutchins_wk: they say everything is like always: fine what do you mean by check the san? sda is mounted dine to / just sda2 isnt....and i can mount sda2 fine from rescue boot mode thats what is annoying. i did ext3 check from there also without any problems |
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| 19:12.14 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Do you mean that sda1 is mounting ok, or are you mounting sda itself? |
| 19:12.40 | jhutchins_wk | beli: fdisk -l should list all available partitions & devices. |
| 19:14.04 | beli | jhutchins_wk: look at the fstab and dmesg output i pastebined....sda1 is mounted as / and there are no device files. its using udev....i cannot see anything :( fdisk -l gives no reply |
| 19:14.13 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i think my problem is udev related |
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| 19:15.23 | jhutchins_wk | beli: syslog & dmesg may be of help if that's the case. |
| 19:16.33 | jhutchins_wk | What does the system do when you try to boot normally? Does it give an error message? If it just hangs, where? |
| 19:17.11 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i have no access to console...i cannot see anything and nothing is logged :( |
| 19:17.34 | beli | jhutchins_wk: machine just doesnt come to a workin sshd |
| 19:18.14 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Your provider has some sort of interface to allow a rescue boot or something? |
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| 19:19.51 | beli | jhutchins_wk: please...i told that 3 times before ;) i can bring the machine up in rescue mode and mount the partitons...both |
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| 19:20.02 | jhutchins_wk | beli: I'll bet that whatever is displayed on the console when it fails to boot would be very helpful in finding the problem. |
| 19:20.41 | beli | jhutchins_wk: for sure, but they take 70 euro just to plug it in and watch :) i just wanted to try myself before |
| 19:20.43 | jhutchins_wk | beli: You need to realise that we're all just fellow users, most of us doing other things besides following this particular channel. (I think I have 8 channels open right now.) |
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| 19:20.59 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Oy. Expensive. |
| 19:21.24 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i know and i appreciate your help, but all the q's you asked have been ansered two mins before and to yourself too ;) |
| 19:21.25 | jhutchins_wk | beli: We use Dell's DRAC which lets us see the console remotely. |
| 19:21.49 | beli | jhutchins_wk: yeah i want to move the server to new ones...its outdated....but i need it back to do that first :) |
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| 19:22.04 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i know DRAC, its nice |
| 19:22.10 | jhutchins_wk | beli: I'm just trying to figure out what your rescue interface is and what information you might be able to get from the un-booted machine. |
| 19:22.25 | krababbel | Can dt display all thumbs in a "large" collection? It seems not to do that. I will upload a video of the behaviour. |
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| 19:22.34 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i can mount the partitions rw |
| 19:22.35 | krababbel | oops |
| 19:22.49 | jhutchins_wk | beli: No errors when you do, right? |
| 19:23.05 | jhutchins_wk | beli: How long have you waited for it to come up when it doesn't boot? |
| 19:23.09 | beli | jhutchins_wk: thats how i could fsck them (dev tree is filled there...guess not using udev), moun them also |
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| 19:23.32 | beli | jhutchins_wk: about 20hours....i also disalbed fsck on boot time |
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| 19:23.47 | jhutchins_wk | beli: That should indeed be adequate. |
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| 19:24.19 | jhutchins_wk | beli: How did you come up with commenting out /home? |
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| 19:25.17 | beli | jhutchins_wk: just homes and www-stuff under /home anything else is under / including /var and /usr |
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| 19:27.54 | jhutchins_wk | beli: I don't know how you determined that sda was not in /dev, but the only thing I can suggest would be to try mounting the drives using different addressing, like either UUID or the /dev/mapper addresses. I think if udev were failing it would fail in rescue mode as well. Searching dmesg for errors might help. |
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| 19:28.16 | beli | jhutchins_wk: sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk how do i list iscsi information? using iscsiadm? |
| 19:28.25 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i guess rescue mode isnt using udev at all |
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| 19:30.00 | jhutchins_wk | beli: This knows more than I do: http://wiki.debian.org/iSCSI |
| 19:30.31 | FDFlock | Hello everyone! I want to install Wheezy, hoping that it will be stable enough for a production system... Is there any reason that I shouldn't use the Beta1 installer ( http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20120804 )? Should I use the netinstall images with the Squeeze installer instead? |
| 19:31.00 | jhutchins_wk | !tell beli about uuid |
| 19:31.07 | beli | jhutchins_wk: well yes...i have to get into iscsi....even if i dont want to use it anymore later on... |
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| 19:31.36 | FDFlock | Also, is there something suitable for Gnome users who dislike the current sorry state of Gnome3? |
| 19:31.42 | FDFlock | My apologies for these 2 questions, but I don't have the time time to hang out around IRC lately... |
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| 19:31.57 | FDFlock | s/time time/time/ |
| 19:32.19 | beli | jhutchins_wk: thanks |
| 19:32.21 | Guest79067 | or possibly s/time // |
| 19:32.24 | JyZyXEL | how do i play around with X on a headless machine? |
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| 19:32.31 | FDFlock | Guest79067: good point ;) |
| 19:32.40 | Guest79067 | ;) |
| 19:32.59 | Guest79067 | why am I Guest79067, damn NickServ! |
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| 19:33.44 | FLeiXiuS | Bugs! |
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| 19:34.43 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Hah - sorry, that page still knows more than I do, but it doesn't say anything about iscsi. (Got it from dpkg's link, maybe someone had good intentions to create it.) |
| 19:34.54 | beli | jhutchins_wk: it just is irritating for me that it can mount sda1, but i am not able to list fdisk -l stuff |
| 19:35.18 | BCMM | JyZyXEL: you either run an X11 VNC server |
| 19:35.24 | beli | jhutchins_wk: no problem, i know where to read about iscsi...its just i dont have the time and i wont use it later on anymore :) |
| 19:35.31 | JyZyXEL | BCMM: apt-get install what? |
| 19:35.35 | BCMM | (where it lets X clients connect, then you use a VNC client to actually see the display) |
| 19:35.52 | BCMM | or you use an X server on another machine by setting an appropriate value of DISPLAY |
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| 19:36.27 | BCMM | JyZyXEL: i think tightvnc comes with a server |
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| 19:36.53 | BCMM | JyZyXEL: i'm basing this on my Gentoo box so stuff might be split differently on Debian, but tightvnc should come with an Xvnc |
| 19:37.06 | JyZyXEL | there is no package called tightvnc |
| 19:37.23 | BCMM | huh. tigervnc? |
| 19:37.48 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about search |
| 19:37.52 | BCMM | JyZyXEL: ah, it's split in to server and client |
| 19:38.02 | BCMM | JyZyXEL: http://packages.debian.org/sid/tightvncserver |
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| 19:38.59 | JyZyXEL | will i be able to run the server with fglrx display driver? |
| 19:39.00 | BCMM | btw, there is also a vncserver program so you don't have to start Xvnc manually |
| 19:39.28 | BCMM | phone... |
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| 19:41.33 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Here's Debian's info: http://wiki.debian.org/SAN/iSCSI/open-iscsi - I'll have to see if I can remember how to update dpkg. |
| 19:42.39 | beli | jhutchins_wk: found that already....why is my iscsiadm -m node not listening anything? it at least should list sda1! |
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| 19:44.14 | Vasa | hello all |
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| 19:44.34 | format_c | hi Vasa |
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| 19:45.12 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i stopped iscsid now and restareted it. now i have something in the logs: Aug 20 21:43:53 birdseye iscsid: Could not read data from db. Using default and currently negotiated values |
| 19:45.14 | Vasa | i have configured my vps to work as a pptp server, i managed to connect to it fine and got an internal ip, but i do not have access to the net through it, how do i set up iptables so it allows full internet access? |
| 19:45.24 | JyZyXEL | tightvncserver doesn't have an option to specify which display driver you wanna use |
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| 19:46.08 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Mine just works. Note that the wiki page says to use labels, not device names. |
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| 19:46.49 | jhutchins_wk | beli: I think if it were a problem with udev there would be a lot of people with the same problem. |
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| 19:47.24 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i think using udev vs not using udev...not a problem with udev itself |
| 19:47.48 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Almost all operational system use udev these days. |
| 19:48.04 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Got a datacenter full of 'em myself. |
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| 19:48.17 | beli | jhutchins_wk: for sure, but maybe they dont use it for rescue mode :) |
| 19:48.26 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i will verify that later |
| 19:49.04 | beli | jhutchins_wk: how many iscsid jobs do you have running? |
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| 19:49.44 | jhutchins_wk | Looks like two on this server. |
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| 19:50.06 | beli | jhutchins_wk: ok just wanted to make sure |
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| 19:53.45 | immotus | beli: I highly recommend mounting by specifying the UUID in the fstab instead of "/dev/sdaX". The "/dev/sdaX" names can change depending on the order they are detected.. instead of "/dev/sdaX" use "UUID=XXXXXXXX-XXXX.." where UUID is determined by running "blkid /dev/sdaX" |
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| 19:55.59 | immotus | on another front.. how do I tell Debian to not muck with eth0's settings? :^) |
| 19:56.07 | ManoftheSea | "muck with"? |
| 19:56.10 | jhutchins_wk | We mount local devices by LABEL=, LUNs as /dev/mapper/mpathXpY |
| 19:56.26 | ManoftheSea | like... network manager? |
| 19:56.29 | immotus | ManoftheSea: I'm setting up the network in a custom initrd.. I don't want Debian's network service to touch it |
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| 19:57.10 | immotus | jhutchins_wk: I like that way too. avoids the issues with the /dev/sdX naming.. |
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| 19:57.31 | ManoftheSea | immotus: I belive you can set it up in /etc/network/interfaces, and Network Manager will not manage it. |
| 19:57.48 | ManoftheSea | Also, you can add a "unmanaged-devices=<mac addr>" to NetworkManager.conf |
| 19:57.56 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: I think if you set onboot=no and/or bootproto=none it'll leave it alone. |
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| 19:58.06 | immotus | ManoftheSea: will the network manager try to configure any devices I give settings for in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:58.21 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: Last I looked that was the rule. |
| 19:58.58 | ManoftheSea | network manager should leave them alone. Naturally, they will be set to those settings by /etc/init.d/networking |
| 19:59.15 | FDFlock | beli: I'm sorry, I haven't read the conversation, but I had a similar (?) problem today, with a raw image of an SD card that I couldn't mount with "mount -vo loop" and "fdisk -l" didn't want to list all partitions properly. I solved the problem with the commands losetup and kpartx. kpartx creates device maps from partition tables and needs to be installed. |
| 19:59.16 | beli | immotus: i got that, but blkid isnt listing anything...it seems like there are no devices :) |
| 19:59.25 | FDFlock | beli: It might be unrelated :) |
| 19:59.29 | immotus | jhutchins_wk: by the time the network service is setup I already have my bridge (br0) setup with with an IP address and eth0 attached to it. When the Network service reconfigures it I lose connection to the iSCSI drive I'm booting from :^) |
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| 20:00.01 | immotus | beli: see if jhutchins_wk's suggestion works for you? do you see the device in /dev/mapper anywhere? |
| 20:00.10 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Perhaps you need to set the UUID before it can be read? |
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| 20:00.44 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: Understood, hence bootproto=none and or onboot=no |
| 20:01.08 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: I've been working more with RH lately so check man interfaces for correct syntax. |
| 20:01.16 | beli | jhutchins_wk, immotus : there is no iscsid.conf also...maybe it just fails to connect to the filer because of missing credentials...but why is / mounting fine, but sda2 for home not... :) i check dev/mapper...mompl |
| 20:01.22 | beli | thanks for hint FDFlock |
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| 20:02.07 | immotus | jhutchins_wk: k. thanks :^) I'll read up on what those mean |
| 20:02.12 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Our iscsid.conf is just the defaults as well. That would be info provided by your hosting provider, but if it wasn't set up before it probably doesn't need anything. |
| 20:02.52 | immotus | jhutchins_wk: I'm already using "ip=bridge" on the kernel command line to run my custom "setup the network bridge" script |
| 20:03.03 | beli | jhutchins_wk: ok. dev/mapper just has a control devicefile, nothing more |
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| 20:04.12 | immotus | beli: if it is on a logical volume run "lvm vgchange -ay" and then check /dev/mapper to see if it shows up |
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| 20:05.11 | beli | immotus: lvm not found ;) |
| 20:05.44 | beli | installing... |
| 20:06.09 | beli | no volume groups found. |
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| 20:07.35 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: I think I'd set the networking up correctly in the interfaces file, but onboot=no, that way if you restart networking it should actually restart. |
| 20:07.39 | beli | what i really don't understand is that i have the system running with sda1 mounted as root / and i cannot list it! |
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| 20:07.44 | immotus | beli: so your question now becomes "Why can't I connect to my iSCSI target"? |
| 20:08.06 | jhutchins_wk | immotus: He would appear to be connected for sda1. |
| 20:08.17 | beli | immotus: no the q is: why is sda1 mounted, but sda2 not......from the same filer |
| 20:08.20 | jhutchins_wk | I would guess that sda itself doesn't exist. |
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| 20:08.48 | beli | jhutchins_wk: ok, but what is sda1 mounted as / then? |
| 20:09.15 | jhutchins_wk | sda1 & sda2 exist as virtual devices, but no sda. |
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| 20:09.28 | jhutchins_wk | Making WAGs about how iscsi works... |
| 20:09.36 | beli | hmpfl |
| 20:09.42 | beli | ok |
| 20:09.44 | jhutchins_wk | Well said. |
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| 20:10.12 | immotus | jhutchins_wk, beli: it sounded like there were two iSCSI targets he's trying to map to, to me.. I may have misread something. Maybe there should also be a /dev/sdb? |
| 20:10.15 | JyZyXEL | so how do i start the xserver over ssh? |
| 20:10.17 | immotus | grasps at straws |
| 20:10.20 | jhutchins_wk | beli: I would just go ahead and set a lable or UUID, update the fstab and try it. |
| 20:10.23 | beli | first time i am really list with a linux issue :( |
| 20:10.32 | jhutchins_wk | beli: "Why" costs a lot more than "Fixed". |
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| 20:10.48 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i cannot list ANY uuids...so how would i determine them? |
| 20:10.53 | immotus | jhutchins_wk: I like that. I might quote you |
| 20:11.07 | ManoftheSea | jhutchins_wk: I will also blatently steal that. |
| 20:12.14 | beli | immotus: birdseye:/dev/mapper# ls /dev/sd* ls: cannot access /dev/sd*: No such file or directory |
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| 20:12.33 | jhutchins_wk | beli: uuidgen |
| 20:12.35 | jhutchins_wk | tune2fs /dev/hdaX -U numbergeneratedbyuuidgen |
| 20:13.15 | beli | well i dont have devices...so useless, or? |
| 20:13.25 | beli | s/devices/devicefiles |
| 20:13.36 | jhutchins_wk | beli: Verify with vol_id /dev/hdaX |
| 20:13.57 | beli | vol_id? |
| 20:14.01 | jhutchins_wk | Yeah, that's a problem. Somethng's screwey though, because you obviously have /dev/sda1 - it's mounted. |
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| 20:14.22 | jhutchins_wk | beli: I think at this point you might need provider-specific support. |
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| 20:15.54 | beli | scsi 2:0:0:0: Direct-Access IET VIRTUAL-DISK 0 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4 |
| 20:16.01 | beli | thats all usefull i get from kernel log |
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| 20:17.38 | extor | I'm not getting sound on my dell cpx lappy with the built in sound |
| 20:17.50 | extor | it works on knoppix but not in lenny |
| 20:18.21 | beli | sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk |
| 20:18.28 | beli | ;) oh men :) |
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| 20:21.58 | beli | immotus, jhutchins_wk : i stop for today...too tired...thanks for your help and hints |
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| 20:23.09 | jhutchins_wk | beli: GOod luck. You may end up having to back up your data and have the provider do a clean install. |
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| 20:24.28 | beli | jhutchins_wk: i can mount the harddrive in rescue mode and can scp it myself. we will see :) |
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| 20:25.56 | FDFlock | Repeating a previous unanswered question (sorry!): I want to install Wheezy, hoping that it will be stable enough for a production system... Is there any reason that I shouldn't use the Beta1 installer ( http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2012/20120804 )? |
| 20:26.14 | FDFlock | Should I use the netinstall images with the Squeeze installer instead? |
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| 20:28.57 | nyuszika7h | hi, php5 is looking for an old library and cron is spamming root with this mail: Failed loading /usr/lib/php5/20090626/xcache.so: /usr/lib/php5/20090626/xcache.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:29.26 | nyuszika7h | I don't see a mention of the library in the crontab entry so I'm not sure how to fix it |
| 20:30.01 | nyuszika7h | oh I think upgrading php5-xcache will help |
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| 20:30.07 | nyuszika7h | or... not |
| 20:30.12 | nyuszika7h | "php5-xcache is already the newest version." |
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| 20:33.21 | nyuszika7h | then maybe upgrading php |
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| 20:38.51 | jhutchins_wk | FDFlock: AFIK the recommended method is still to do a basic squeeze install and "upgrade". The installer is a "beta" because it's still beta testing. |
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| 20:40.15 | ManoftheSea | debootstrap |
| 20:40.59 | jhutchins_wk | ManoftheSea: Yeah, I like to run testing dual-boot so I can compare what works with what's broken. |
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| 20:41.25 | tomreyn | nyuszika7h: you should already have this file if you're on squeeze and have php5-xcache 1.3.0-7 installed. |
| 20:41.45 | jhutchins_wk | tomreyn: Is that a standard path for it, with the date in there? |
| 20:41.51 | tomreyn | nyuszika7h: that's on amd64, have not checked other architectures |
| 20:42.04 | tomreyn | jhutchins_wk: yes, for reasons i don't know either |
| 20:42.11 | nyuszika7h | tomreyn, I have a newer version |
| 20:42.33 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: You can try symlinking the new version to the location it's searching. |
| 20:42.58 | tomreyn | nyuszika7h: where's the newer version from? |
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| 20:51.34 | nyuszika7h | tomreyn, yes I know I shouldn't do that but it's from wheezy... |
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| 20:54.26 | jhutchins_wk | nyuszika7h: THis is one of the many reasons we don't do frankendebian. |
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| 20:55.31 | tomreyn | nyuszika7h: it's fine to do that if you use apt pinning and handle package installations via apt and apt sources (so package signatures are validated, and, more importantly, you get security updates). |
| 20:55.44 | nyuszika7h | I do that yes |
| 20:56.03 | nyuszika7h | squeeze gets a like 900 point bonus, and o=Debian -10 |
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| 20:57.57 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk: Thanks for the response. I assume that you aren't aware of any specific problems with the beta installer, right? |
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| 20:59.11 | xispirito | i have used beta installer on last week, the only one problem that i find(for me is problem) is: the istaller don't alert the user about noexec bit, i set noexec in /var and install fail because that |
| 20:59.35 | FDFlock | Oh, I see |
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| 21:00.12 | xispirito | but it work normally in "normal" situations |
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| 21:00.29 | simonlnu | do that sort of thing after. it's just editing /etc/fstab (in that case), and remounting. |
| 21:00.29 | FDFlock | Slightly related: I wonder whether newer versions of the installer use (or will use) ATA TRIM during partition creation |
| 21:00.49 | FDFlock | For SSD users |
| 21:00.51 | tomreyn | nyuszika7h: be sure you either have all php packages updated to wheezy or none, mixing is most likely not a good idea. |
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| 21:01.12 | nyuszika7h | I'll have a look |
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| 21:02.20 | bfig | how can i chmod recursively on one folder? |
| 21:02.27 | xispirito | chmod -R |
| 21:02.36 | bfig | nevermind stupid question |
| 21:02.40 | simonlnu | man chmod otherwise |
| 21:02.40 | xispirito | =D |
| 21:02.43 | bfig | i had some other bogus parameters that shouldn't be there |
| 21:02.44 | tomreyn | nyuszika7h: the path is defined in /etc/php5/conf.d/xcache.ini - you may have the squeeze configuration file there, still but actually need the one of wheezy there. |
| 21:03.02 | bfig | so it was giving mean error |
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| 21:04.18 | nyuszika7h | ah ok |
| 21:05.54 | useless-eater | hi guys, a few noobs around got wheezy installed. I think of creating a repos and put on my home server for oracle java installs for 32bit and 64bit and other packages that dont install easily for noobs. would this be a difficult project? already got a server I can use for these things with static ip etc |
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| 21:07.03 | jordanm | useless-eater: for internal use in your business, that is fine, look at reprepo. for distributing on the internet, expect a takedown notice from oracle. its not legal to distribute |
| 21:08.03 | useless-eater | stupid Oracle.. |
| 21:08.11 | xispirito | oracle don't allow packagement? |
| 21:08.15 | xispirito | lol |
| 21:08.31 | FDFlock | WOW, is that true: http://stevenrosenberg.net/blog/linux/debian/2012_0817_wheezy_no_synaptic ? |
| 21:08.35 | FDFlock | That's HORRIBLE! |
| 21:08.51 | useless-eater | would it be difficult to hide the repos to google and crawlers? and thus oracle? |
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| 21:09.22 | jhutchins_wk | FDFlock: I never use a GUI package manager, regardless of what distro I use. |
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| 21:10.04 | jhutchins_wk | FDFlock: THere will probably be some other GUI interface though, if nothing else the aptitude one. |
| 21:10.41 | xispirito | synaptic is cool, is better to my eyes than roll 350 pages on less |
| 21:10.50 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk: Synaptic is truly great: Well-designed, intuitive and powerful. (unlike the cr*p Ubuntu ships with lately for software installation) |
| 21:11.09 | jhutchins_wk | useless-eater: If people are using oracle, they should deal with oracle and oracle support, not some third party who isn't answerable for the quality of their packages. |
| 21:11.24 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk: I can use aptitude just fine, but Synaptic should be part of the default installation |
| 21:11.24 | Losowski | useless-eater: As it stands, it *very* simple to visit Oracle's website, download the appropriate JRE / JDK you want, and unpack the archived file, set your environmental variables, and that's it. Subsequent to the download, Java is ready in about 10 seconds. I've done it sucessfully over and over. |
| 21:11.30 | jhutchins_wk | FDFlock: I consider synaptic entirely superfluous. |
| 21:12.01 | jhutchins_wk | Isn't there a pseudo-package for orcle java like there is for adobe flash? |
| 21:12.19 | FDFlock | jhutchins_wk: I hope it's not you, then, who made this horrible decision :-P |
| 21:12.42 | ManoftheSea | why synaptic? |
| 21:13.23 | useless-eater | jhutchins_wk: yeah, openjdk.. the bad thing is that many important pages dont support this.. |
| 21:13.36 | FDFlock | I guess I'll suck it up, together with the mess that is Gnome3... :S |
| 21:13.54 | ManoftheSea | you know you can just apt-get install synaptic |
| 21:13.55 | useless-eater | jhutchins_wk: would like to do it for the learning mostly though :) never done this before |
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| 21:13.57 | Losowski | has JDK 7u6 running fine on Debian, and it was ready in a matter of seconds after downloading it from Oracle. |
| 21:14.22 | ManoftheSea | ugh, oracle. |
| 21:14.57 | useless-eater | Losowski: yeah, not saying its hard to install, but cant do it on every computer around.. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should be enough ;) |
| 21:15.19 | Losowski | ManoftheSea: Regardless of anyone's opinion of Oracle (even I don't respect them), they are the owner's of Java and they are the primary source for it. |
| 21:15.33 | ManoftheSea | Losowski: Well, sure. |
| 21:16.00 | tomreyn | they are the owners of the java trademark. |
| 21:16.01 | Losowski | useless-eater: It's even easier than apt-get install...simply tar |
| 21:16.01 | ManoftheSea | I wasn't suggesting different. |
| 21:16.49 | ManoftheSea | Would it be okay to use something like cfengine, or a virtual package that contains a script that auto-installs the jdk? |
| 21:16.53 | tomreyn | there are various free java implementations available |
| 21:16.59 | ManoftheSea | I don't want it, but what's the legality of that? |
| 21:17.30 | simonlnu | !java-package |
| 21:17.30 | dpkg | java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions. It was removed from Debian post-Lenny (Debian bug #577423) and reintroduced February 2012. java-package currently supports Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
| 21:17.36 | Losowski | ManoftheSea: That's an idea |
| 21:17.54 | Losowski | good question |
| 21:18.14 | ManoftheSea | it looks like simonlnu says that already exists. |
| 21:18.36 | simonlnu | makes debs of the sun/oracle stuffs |
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| 21:18.58 | ManoftheSea | make *local-use-only* debs of the oracle files. |
| 21:19.09 | simonlnu | yeh ;) |
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| 21:20.25 | jhutchins_wk | useless-eater: The adobe flash pseudo-package contains a script that downloads the player from adobe and installs it. I know open java isn't the same as oracle java. |
| 21:20.41 | jhutchins_wk | useless-eater: Perhaps _that_ would be a worthwhile project no-one would object to. |
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| 21:21.55 | Losowski | Sure, a BASH script which downloads and unpacks the Java tar.bz file would be fine I think |
| 21:22.04 | Losowski | *tar.gz |
| 21:22.08 | jhutchins_wk | useless-eater: Using proprietary java isn't the kind of decision that should be made for people though, they should have to work hard enough at it that they're aware of the reasons. |
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| 21:24.32 | tuvwx | wow.. the number of people on this channel has increased noticeably over time! |
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| 21:26.29 | jhutchins_wk | tuvwx: increase in linux users, increase in debian users, increasing move to the instant gratification of IRC and away from lists, critical availability of people who actually know something about Debian... |
| 21:27.42 | krababbel | Can I report a bug about a package which is very outdated even in unstable? |
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| 21:28.50 | useless-eater | ok, thanks for input jhutchins_wk Losowski jordanm ++ :) |
| 21:29.20 | tuvwx | krababbel: if it is currently available in unstable, i don't see why not. but if it is unmaintained, a critical bug may cause it to be removed from the archives |
| 21:29.40 | Losowski | useless-eater: Np, I think all the views presented on the various ways of installing it are useful and diversified. |
| 21:29.47 | krababbel | tuvwx: OK thanks |
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| 21:55.27 | useless-eater | whats the easiest way to put up a repos with just a couple of files? no need for complex management stuff or databases.. Ill just scp or rsync the .deb files to their location and thats it.. In its most simple setup, is it as easy as setting up a ftp or apache server and throwing a few deb files in? |
| 21:56.02 | ManoftheSea | you'll need a manifest. |
| 21:56.07 | ManoftheSea | That needs to be created. |
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| 21:57.45 | jordanm | useless-eater: reprepo, as I said earlier |
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| 21:59.38 | jhutchins_wk | away home |
| 21:59.42 | jhutchins_wk | 'scuse |
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| 21:59.57 | jhutchins_wk | THis system eats my first keystroke if it's idle too long. |
| 22:00.17 | wolfmitchell | Is there a guide to making a chroot jail on debian 6? |
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| 22:01.44 | jordanm | wolfmitchell: for what purpose? |
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| 22:02.32 | wolfmitchell | I need to create a virtual environment for someone to have hosting on my VPS (They just want to test out some PHP scripts, I don't want to risk my VPS being hacked again) |
| 22:03.20 | useless-eater | jordanm: ok testing reprepo |
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| 22:03.53 | wolfmitchell | The guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html is outdated. |
| 22:04.29 | jordanm | wolfmitchell: that is also for running a service, not jailing a user |
| 22:04.40 | wolfmitchell | :/ |
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| 22:05.20 | jordanm | wolfmitchell: linux doesn't have support for jails like bsd. the closest equivilent are things like vserver and openvz. there are hacks around the internet if you google |
| 22:05.41 | wolfmitchell | :/ |
| 22:05.54 | jordanm | wolfmitchell: and if your letting him upload and execute php code via mod_php, jailing him over ssh isn't going to help much at all |
| 22:06.03 | wolfmitchell | Ah |
| 22:06.18 | wolfmitchell | Is there any way to do this though? |
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| 22:07.19 | jordanm | wolfmitchell: personally, I would give them a regulare shell, and configure apache to use suphp, suexec/fcgi, or php-fpm |
| 22:07.55 | wolfmitchell | I just don't want them to be able to do anything to files they don't own |
| 22:07.57 | jordanm | a php application hosted on the web is a much bigger attack surface than trying to brute force an ssh password |
| 22:08.12 | jordanm | wolfmitchell: that's what default permissions do |
| 22:08.46 | jordanm | using mod_php, php is executed by the user running apache. You don't want that on a shared web server |
| 22:08.47 | useless-eater | there is a big difference between bsd jails and linux chroot? |
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| 22:11.22 | jordanm | useless-eater: a bsd jail does more than chroot(), its similar to openvz or vserver on linux |
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| 22:18.04 | abcdefg_ | how to make a script run at boot ? I used @reboot /path/to/script in /etc/crontab but its not working |
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| 22:20.28 | superstraw | abcdefg_: is the script executable? |
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| 22:24.11 | abcdefg_ | superstraw: yes |
| 22:24.24 | superstraw | how do you know it's not working? |
| 22:24.27 | abcdefg_ | superstraw: i run the script manually and its fine |
| 22:24.40 | abcdefg_ | superstraw: somehow the @reboot is not taking effect |
| 22:24.41 | superstraw | err how do you know it's not working via cron? |
| 22:24.49 | abcdefg_ | because it works outside fine |
| 22:24.51 | superstraw | what is this script trying to do? |
| 22:25.00 | abcdefg_ | for test simply output date to a file |
| 22:25.20 | superstraw | where is the output file located? |
| 22:25.43 | bmhatfield | I have a debian/ubuntu packaging question; is this generally considered the right channel for such a thing? |
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| 22:26.28 | jordanm | bmhatfield: there are other channels, you can ask here and be redirected if needed |
| 22:26.38 | abcdefg_ | superstraw: its pointing to some directory with absolute path |
| 22:26.44 | superstraw | abcdefg_: interesting |
| 22:26.48 | abcdefg_ | superstraw: like i said the script does run when i run manually |
| 22:26.59 | superstraw | cron doesn't give you a failure email? |
| 22:27.01 | abcdefg_ | superstraw: yes. i am using lenny btw, not that it shoul dmake a difference |
| 22:27.08 | abcdefg_ | superstraw: let me check |
| 22:27.37 | jordanm | abcdefg_: make sure /etc/crontab ends in a newline |
| 22:27.39 | useless-eater | "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2052/dnsmasq" this would be bad right? anyone remeber how to make dnsmasq listen to lan only? |
| 22:27.48 | bmhatfield | jordanm: Cool. I'm specifically trying to build a package with stdeb/python distutils. The problem I am having is that "dh_python2" is generating a dependency on a version of Python that's too aggressive for my needs, and I can't figure out how to make it not |
| 22:28.13 | bmhatfield | The reason why I am asking here is that dh_python2 is more of a debhelper thing than a distutils thing |
| 22:28.19 | themill | bmhatfield: what specifically is it generating? |
| 22:28.25 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: i think it does, checking again |
| 22:28.44 | bmhatfield | python:Depends=python2.7 | python2.6, python (>= 2.6), python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.7.1-0ubuntu2) |
| 22:28.55 | bmhatfield | the issue is the >= 2.7.1 |
| 22:29.44 | bmhatfield | I have tried to override things with XS-Python-Version, but it always appends the 2.7.1 dependency |
| 22:29.47 | jordanm | bmhatfield: IIRC dh_python2 --no-guessing-versions 2.4-2.7 |
| 22:30.01 | themill | bmhatfield: that's probably due to specific fixes in that python package |
| 22:30.42 | bmhatfield | Jordanm: Ah, let me try that again. I thought I had tested it to see if it did what I wanted, but I will double check |
| 22:31.08 | bmhatfield | themill: Interesting thought. That's gonna make my life tough then? |
| 22:31.09 | themill | bmhatfield: #ubuntu-devel or at a pinch #debian-python (on irc.oftc.net) would be better places to ask. |
| 22:31.16 | jordanm | bmhatfield: anyways, that Depends supports current stable debian and the next release |
| 22:33.13 | bmhatfield | Excellent. Appreciate the pro-tips guys. |
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| 22:33.58 | abcdefg_ | superstraw: there's no error email from crontab |
| 22:34.06 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: it (crontab) does end in a new line |
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| 22:36.23 | superstraw | abcdefg_: try it as root user instead of your normal user? |
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| 22:36.35 | superstraw | abcdefg_: I'm guessing here, but may be environmental? |
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| 22:36.48 | n-iCe | Question, I notice when I download a big file, right now a 3GB file, the download speed is great full working, but I can't open other sites, can't open google, youtube, like no internet, what can be happening? |
| 22:37.02 | jordanm | abcdefg_: /etc/crontab does require a user field, which was not included in your example |
| 22:37.04 | superstraw | n-iCe: hogging the bandwidth? |
| 22:37.04 | n-iCe | Is like all the internet is going to the download and there is nothing left to surf the network. |
| 22:37.21 | superstraw | n-iCe: what's the program being used to download? |
| 22:37.35 | n-iCe | superstraw: google chrome download manager |
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| 22:38.05 | superstraw | n-iCe: just checking to see if it was a torrent. sometimes while at work I torrent stuff to get tech calls so I can run to the back and goof off. |
| 22:38.20 | superstraw | in the name of slow internet speed :D |
| 22:38.21 | mdh | I'm trying to use my netbook with debian sid at my university, and all the accesspoints have the same SSID and wpa passphrase. I have wicd set to use the same settings for all ap's with the same name and i want the netbook to connect automatically. It does not connect automatically for some reason. |
| 22:38.37 | n-iCe | superstraw: but is this suppose to happen? |
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| 22:39.51 | somiaj | n-iCe: in my experience it is usually uploads that cause me network issues, but yes you could posibally be downloading so fast that you have used all your alocated banwidth from your isp and everything else will come to a crawl. |
| 22:39.51 | superstraw | n-iCe: sounds like the download is hogging all your bandwidth. if it's a fast transfer then it could be resource intensive and not let other apps use the connection as well. |
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| 22:40.31 | somiaj | also large downloads take up the disk time, so that can make your computer slow to launch programs, but something running in memeory having internet issues says that is not the case |
| 22:40.37 | betatest | hi all |
| 22:40.38 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: here is the line, please correct it |
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| 22:40.59 | abcdefg_ | @reboot /root/test.sh |
| 22:41.10 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: is that right ? |
| 22:41.26 | jordanm | abcdefg_: @reboot root /root/test.sh |
| 22:41.35 | jordanm | abcdefg_: not for a non-user crontab file, no |
| 22:42.40 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: i am the root on the machine |
| 22:42.47 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: how can i do this correctly ? |
| 22:42.58 | jordanm | abcdefg_: @reboot root /root/test.sh |
| 22:43.31 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: ok, thanks, trying it now |
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| 22:44.47 | slitaz | hello everyone |
| 22:45.03 | slitaz | hey guys i rellly loved Lenny |
| 22:45.10 | slitaz | other versions stable too??? |
| 22:45.42 | rudi_s | !tell slitaz about stable |
| 22:45.56 | slitaz | thank you rudi_s |
| 22:46.08 | rudi_s | !tell slitaz about lenny |
| 22:46.24 | slitaz | ok i like lenny |
| 22:46.33 | rudi_s | slitaz: np - update to squeeze as soon as possible, (security) support for lenny ended a while ago. |
| 22:46.35 | slitaz | rudi_s could copy of lenny be obtained |
| 22:46.43 | slitaz | ah o |
| 22:46.43 | slitaz | ok |
| 22:46.46 | somiaj | lenny is no longer supported, you should '/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze' slitaz |
| 22:46.48 | slitaz | very well rudi_s thank you once again |
| 22:46.51 | rudi_s | np |
| 22:47.10 | somiaj | slitaz: archive.debian.org will contain lenny, but it is highly suggest you do not use it as it has no secuirty support. |
| 22:47.14 | slitaz | netinstall cd with x would be nice to fit on cd |
| 22:47.19 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: i have a question on iptables but its general. I want to load ip_tables module upon reboot, one way is to put into a cron job at reboot, is there another way ? |
| 22:48.27 | jordanm | abcdefg_: echo 'ip_tables' >> /etc/modules |
| 22:48.33 | jordanm | shouldn't be needed though |
| 22:48.45 | somiaj | slitaz: problem is what DE/WM to use. You should check out live.debian.net you can get images that can install debian and have a major DE on it |
| 22:48.55 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: upon reboot when i type iptables-save |
| 22:48.58 | somiaj | slitaz: though you will need either a usb or dvd to burn them to (They are all about a gig in size, to big for a cd) |
| 22:49.09 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: it gives an error. but if i do it after modprobe ip_tables, it works |
| 22:49.20 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: how do i load ip_tables upon reboot ? |
| 22:49.25 | jordanm | abcdefg_: what error? are there rules in the tables? |
| 22:49.36 | jordanm | abcdefg_: why do you ask questions I have already answered? |
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| 22:51.10 | streuner_ | jordanm: because he didnt unterstand yet |
| 22:51.16 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: ok, i am taking care with @reboot now, nevermind |
| 22:51.34 | jordanm | abcdefg_: cat /etc/modules |
| 22:52.01 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: it just has an entry called loop |
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| 22:52.13 | jordanm | abcdefg_: what do the comments in that file say? |
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| 22:53.26 | marco_br | #list |
| 22:53.38 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/Nx8Uwsw8 |
| 22:54.32 | jordanm | abcdefg_: I know what it says, I wanted you to read it |
| 22:54.53 | jordanm | abcdefg_: it explicitly states that adding the module name to that file does what you are trying to accomplish |
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| 22:55.06 | searching | ;)) |
| 22:55.10 | abcdefg_ | jordanm: ok, thanks |
| 22:56.33 | streuner_ | one thanks is enough |
| 22:57.37 | useless-eater | would there be any difference in the deb package created using java-package for wheezy and squeeze? |
| 22:57.56 | streuner_ | no, java is crap in Linux |
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| 22:58.29 | jordanm | well, wheezy uses a different version of openjdk |
| 22:58.54 | streuner_ | and you think, there is a big difference then? |
| 22:59.04 | streuner_ | good luck |
| 22:59.28 | jordanm | in the packaging itself, probably not, but that doesn't mean a wheezy java package is going to run on squeeze |
| 22:59.52 | useless-eater | thinking of .deb file that gets created using the java-package :) created one for 64 and one i586.. hoping they will work no matter if on wheezy or on squeeze :) |
| 23:00.09 | streuner_ | jordanm: it works or not... |
| 23:00.26 | streuner_ | jordanm: thats the main issue for me |
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| 23:02.06 | streuner_ | jordanm: you can forget nowadays openjdk, IMO |
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| 23:06.20 | streuner_ | elazar_13: buona sera |
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| 23:09.22 | elazar_13 | Buona sera a te |
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| 23:16.28 | tkg | jordanm: if a port on server is closed, and i telnet to it, i get connection failed very quickly, but when a port was open but iptables rejects, it takes longer, is |
| 23:18.06 | jordanm | tkg: are you sure its rejecting and not dropping? |
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| 23:18.31 | jordanm | a reject should happen pretty much immediatly, since the server sends a response. with drop, the client must wait for a timeout |
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| 23:26.34 | tkg | jordanm: i put -j REJECT instead of -j DROP, that's all I can tell, i checked again |
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| 23:31.38 | Sos | helo! |
| 23:32.10 | Sos | i need an email server suggestion |
| 23:32.18 | Sos | one managable from console |
| 23:32.50 | somiaj | default in debian is exim, I prefer postfix. There are others in debian. |
| 23:33.29 | nkuttler | has yet to see a mailserver with a gui |
| 23:33.53 | Sos | i mean one that doesn't come with an overkill hosting control panel :P |
| 23:33.56 | somiaj | qmail seems to be popular with plex which gives a gui to configure/control it. |
| 23:34.01 | Sos | or is'nt meant to work with one |
| 23:34.08 | somiaj | but qmail itself is all backbone and doesn't need a gui front end. |
| 23:34.21 | somiaj | s/plex/plesk/ ... |
| 23:34.52 | Sos | yeah I'm running without CP |
| 23:34.59 | Sos | i want to learn how stuff works |
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| 23:35.50 | somiaj | I think both exim and postfix are powerful with ease of setup use, the other more powerful email servers can take a bit more work, but I would pick on and look up some documentation on it. |
| 23:36.04 | Sos | i don't need powerful |
| 23:36.10 | Sos | i want lightweight |
| 23:36.17 | Sos | send mail, get mail, the end |
| 23:36.19 | simonlnu | um, none of those *come with* a control panel. i don't know where you've been. |
| 23:36.46 | Sos | yeah but there are overkill soplutions that take a madman to manage without a kind of automation |
| 23:36.57 | nkuttler | Sos: just use the default exim. install, debconf, done |
| 23:37.15 | Sos | sounds good! |
| 23:37.16 | nkuttler | or what kind of mail are you actually going to handle? |
| 23:37.39 | Sos | business |
| 23:37.58 | nkuttler | high volume, multi user, etc |
| 23:38.02 | Sos | no |
| 23:38.03 | Sos | just me |
| 23:38.40 | nkuttler | yeah, takes one minute or so to configure exim with debconf then |
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| 23:39.29 | Sos | just reading wiki |
| 23:39.31 | Sos | sounds good |
| 23:39.34 | Sos | thanks :) |
| 23:40.42 | Sos | haha smtp is a politically correct protocol |
| 23:41.08 | Sos | you ned to say helo and stuff :P |
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| 23:46.39 | simonlnu | EHLO |
| 23:47.52 | themill | 250-Hello simon [::1] |
| 23:48.02 | simonlnu | hehe |
| 23:48.14 | simonlnu | DATA |
| 23:48.29 | simonlnu | Subject: hiya |
| 23:48.41 | simonlnu | From: foo@bar.tld |
| 23:48.47 | simonlnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.50 | simonlnu | . |
| 23:49.18 | Sos | wait |
| 23:49.24 | Sos | you missed the auth |
| 23:49.46 | simonlnu | that's optional |
| 23:49.59 | Sos | if you said HELO |
| 23:50.37 | simonlnu | you always say EHLO/HELO |
| 23:50.51 | simonlnu | EHLO is extended HELO |
| 23:50.57 | Sos | oh |
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| 23:54.18 | Sos | hmm |
| 23:54.22 | Sos | ok, exim for smtp |
| 23:54.25 | Sos | i need something for imap |
| 23:54.33 | Sos | is courier a good choice? |
| 23:54.47 | nathwill | Sos, i'm a fan of dovecot |
| 23:54.57 | Sos | checks that |
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| 23:55.01 | simonlnu | it's also negotiated. first you say hi, then send it however you want, but there's various steps to do it, like set a valid rdns for the EHLO etc. |
| 23:55.06 | simonlnu | i like dovecot too |
| 23:55.24 | simonlnu | used to use cyrus for years |
| 23:55.47 | simonlnu | (i borrowed some of the cyrus quirks to set up dovecot) |
| 23:57.07 | Sos | hmmm |
| 23:57.37 | Sos | i assume that runs on system user accounts, like vsftpd, right? |
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