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| 00:09.31 | nathwill | Sos, it's pretty straightforward to use either system user or virtual users |
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| 00:09.48 | Sos | i don't care actually |
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| 00:17.44 | Sos | exim4-daemon-light is enough, right? |
| 00:17.51 | Sos | or will i be missing anything cool |
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| 00:30.15 | Sos | oh crap |
| 00:30.19 | Sos | everything recommends mailx |
| 00:30.24 | Sos | why would i want mailx |
| 00:32.22 | themill | Sos: it's commonly used in scripts to be able to send you a mail when something breaks |
| 00:32.33 | Sos | i had to remove it :( |
| 00:32.43 | Sos | oh well |
| 00:32.47 | themill | "had to"? |
| 00:32.50 | Sos | yeah |
| 00:32.56 | Sos | it was conflicting,m it said |
| 00:33.14 | themill | I bet it said more than that.... |
| 00:34.19 | Sos | http://pastebin.com/KrKDpnzE |
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| 00:35.55 | themill | Sos: getting rid of sendmail would have been enough. (and why did you ever install sendmail?) |
| 00:36.05 | Sos | hey i didn't |
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| 00:43.45 | Sos | ok |
| 00:43.50 | Sos | exim configured |
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| 00:59.06 | multi_io | how do you set a package's state to "install" non-interactively? |
| 00:59.18 | multi_io | (i.e. in a script) |
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| 00:59.59 | nathwill | apt-get -qqy install package ?? |
| 01:00.24 | nathwill | i think the -y is what you're looking for multi_io |
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| 01:01.51 | multi_io | hm |
| 01:02.55 | multi_io | well actually I have a bunch of package names that I want to set to "install" automatically, and then I want to resolve the conflicts interactively (in aptitude, preferably) |
| 01:03.44 | multi_io | I assume apt-get -y would automatically confirm any "accept this solution?" queries, which I don't want. |
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| 01:05.42 | multi_io | (the package names are in a text file, one per line) |
| 01:06.19 | multi_io | aptitude install `cat file` doesn't start the confluct resolution interactively |
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| 01:12.27 | kupo | I'm having real trouble figuring out why aptitude update is saying "Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.rhnet.is/debian/dists/wheezy/contrib/i18n/Translation-en: Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian/dists/wheezy/contrib/i18n/Translation-en: No such file or directory." |
| 01:12.48 | kupo | could someone advise? I'm able to browse to that location in a browswer |
| 01:12.52 | kupo | ftp://ftp.rhnet.is/debian/dists/wheezy/contrib/i18n/ |
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| 01:22.51 | ectospasm | kupo: try a different mirror... some mirrors go broken periodically, and it happens all the time. |
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| 01:28.50 | isoman2kx | help |
| 01:28.58 | isoman2kx | my ethernet card won't get an ip address from my router in Debian |
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| 01:29.19 | isoman2kx | it just says 127.0.0.1 as my inet addr, and nothing for ipv6 addr |
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| 01:29.32 | ectospasm | isoman2kx: running dhclient doesn't work? |
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| 01:29.47 | dvs | isoman2kx: does "ip link" mention it? |
| 01:29.50 | isoman2kx | ecto, I'm admittedly a newbie that had a lot of help setting up it :p |
| 01:29.57 | isoman2kx | I haven't tried dhclient, how do I do that? |
| 01:30.17 | isoman2kx | dvs: ip link is a command? |
| 01:30.20 | ectospasm | isoman2kx: run the command "dhclient" as root, or "sudo dhclient" |
| 01:30.22 | dvs | yes |
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| 01:32.28 | kupo | ectospasm: I've been switching mirrors all evening |
| 01:32.28 | isoman2kx | ectospasm: I tried that now and it just gives me a return carriage to the command prompt |
| 01:32.31 | kupo | always the same message |
| 01:32.47 | isoman2kx | dvs: I'm not sure how to interpret ip link... should it give the brand of my card or something? |
| 01:32.56 | isoman2kx | I just see lo, eth0, eth1 |
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| 01:33.10 | dvs | so you have two network cards |
| 01:33.12 | seeker61 | what is a good video player |
| 01:33.22 | kupo | dvs: me? |
| 01:33.24 | isoman2kx | dvs: oh... yes |
| 01:33.26 | ectospasm | isoman2kx: check the output of ifconfig, see if you have an IP address now after running dhclient |
| 01:33.35 | dvs | kupo: not you |
| 01:33.37 | isoman2kx | ectospasm: nah, I don't |
| 01:33.43 | kupo | k |
| 01:33.48 | isoman2kx | dvs: should I try to disable mobo ethernet? I might be able to in BIOS |
| 01:34.23 | dvs | isoman2kx: it would make it easier to identify the right network card if you did disable it |
| 01:38.04 | isoman2kx | ok, disabled that |
| 01:38.33 | isoman2kx | ran ip link again... now only eth1 shows |
| 01:38.34 | dvs | isoman2kx: so "ip link" should not show one of the "eth" entries |
| 01:38.42 | dvs | yeah, that's what I though |
| 01:38.43 | dvs | t |
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| 01:38.49 | isoman2kx | dhclient doesn't do much of anything though |
| 01:38.59 | isoman2kx | still no address other than 127.0.0.1 |
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| 01:39.35 | dvs | isoman2kx: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 01:42.39 | multi_io | I do: echo 'libffi5 install' | dpkg --set-selections . |
| 01:43.10 | multi_io | after that, libffi5 is still marked as 'hold' in aptitude. |
| 01:43.13 | multi_io | why? |
| 01:43.14 | isoman2kx | dvs: one moment. comp is across room |
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| 01:45.01 | isoman2kx | aww man, I'm a dunce... lol |
| 01:45.11 | isoman2kx | I forgot to change my eth0's to eth1's in my file |
| 01:45.12 | isoman2kx | bah |
| 01:45.15 | isoman2kx | ty lol |
| 01:45.28 | dvs | ...and that's why you disable the other card. |
| 01:45.44 | isoman2kx | well I did... but it didn't pick it up as eth0 |
| 01:45.48 | isoman2kx | so I had to change it |
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| 01:48.22 | I_Died_Once | hi, i managed to upgrade my whole system to sid / unstable like a dummy and somehow kept it there for a few months and would like to "downgrade" to stable.... in a wiki article on debian.org, it says to edit the /etc/apt/preferences file - which is not existant. There is a directory, preferences.d, but it is empty. Not sure what to do |
| 01:48.42 | scientes | I_Died_Once, you can't |
| 01:48.46 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 01:48.46 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 01:49.01 | scientes | I_Died_Once, stop upgrading, as you probably have something very close to wheezy |
| 01:49.08 | scientes | which will be released soon |
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| 01:49.41 | I_Died_Once | scientes, what else would you suggest I do at this point as to NOT hose the system down? |
| 01:50.11 | scientes | I_Died_Once, well *I* would work at it in aptitude to match it up with wheezy, to have a stable base |
| 01:50.12 | jordanm | point to wheezy and upgrade? |
| 01:51.32 | multi_io | the package libffi5 is displayed in aptitude like this: "ihA libffi5 3.0.9-3 3.0.10-3" and in "dpkg --get-selections libffi5" like this: "libffi5 install" |
| 01:51.45 | multi_io | isn't that contradictory? (hold vs. install) |
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| 01:59.58 | k-man | i have this problem with mysql and logrotate, every day i get an email that says "/etc/cron.daily/logrotate: /usr/bin/mysqladmin: refresh failed; error: 'Unknown error'... " google tells me that its to do with /etc/mysql/debian.cnf having the incorrect password, but I have check that, and its correct |
| 02:00.00 | k-man | any ideas? |
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| 02:06.52 | iToast | hey |
| 02:07.01 | iToast | Thigns that run on debian should run on ubuntu just fine right :s |
| 02:07.20 | eventide | iToast: sometimes |
| 02:08.02 | eventide | if it comes as a .deb you should be able to install it, but it may have dependancies that would prevent it from working |
| 02:08.27 | iToast | Ratbox just failed to install make on ubuntu |
| 02:08.27 | iToast | >_< |
| 02:08.34 | iToast | make install* |
| 02:09.02 | iToast | I'm probably going to just install pure debian on the ubuntu machine |
| 02:09.07 | iToast | Atleast I know most software WILL work |
| 02:09.52 | iToast | were do i grab debian server |
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| 02:12.03 | eventide | its the same install disk, when you do the installation just uncheck graphical desktop |
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| 02:12.16 | iToast | ty |
| 02:12.28 | eventide | the software probably depends on older versions of libraries |
| 02:12.49 | eventide | also ubuntu changes the names of some libraries |
| 02:13.02 | ceil | t's why i'm glad there's dozens of thousands of apps on hand via apt |
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| 02:13.11 | ceil | can't imagine make installing everything :x |
| 02:13.47 | dvs | make world |
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| 02:16.07 | iToast | downloading debian |
| 02:16.08 | iToast | ^^ |
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| 02:16.17 | iToast | debian is my favorite distro |
| 02:17.55 | multi_io | does aptitude have its own database of package selection states, separate from dpkg's? |
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| 02:22.09 | comum | hi guys :) |
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| 02:22.28 | Guest54700 | hi |
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| 02:22.37 | dvs | zzzzzzz |
| 02:22.58 | GalegO | Anyone knows how can I access the prompt via grub ? |
| 02:23.17 | dvs | 'e'? |
| 02:23.21 | GalegO | I did a wrong config in my xorg.xonf and I need to delete |
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| 02:23.23 | Guest54700 | I have wheezy with kde 4.8.4 any way to upgrade to 4.9 ????? |
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| 02:27.58 | Guest54700 | can I fix my xorg.conf file if I bnork it??? |
| 02:27.59 | GalegO | Anybody kwos ? |
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| 02:28.06 | GalegO | *knows |
| 02:28.35 | Guest54700 | yes but its a secret |
| 02:29.27 | GalegO | :/ hahaah |
| 02:29.40 | Guest54700 | just kidding |
| 02:30.00 | GalegO | I know :) |
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| 02:30.35 | GalegO | I can't find that in the Google... Or I don't know the corrects words |
| 02:30.41 | GalegO | :( |
| 02:31.36 | Guest54700 | boot into repair mode 2nd boot option and edit xorg.conf file or remove it and start over |
| 02:31.58 | GalegO | repair mode doesn't work :( |
| 02:32.15 | GalegO | he try to load the file |
| 02:32.31 | Guest54700 | well remove xorge.conf with rm -rf xorg.conf |
| 02:32.44 | peterrooney | ,versions kde |
| 02:32.46 | judd | Package: kde on i386 -- lenny: 5:48; squeeze: 5:66 |
| 02:32.53 | peterrooney | ,versions kde-desktop |
| 02:32.54 | judd | No package named 'kde-desktop' was found in i386. |
| 02:33.18 | GalegO | the recovery mode don't show a prompt for me |
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| 02:33.30 | GalegO | he just try to load the Debian |
| 02:33.53 | GalegO | and still stucked in a blanck screen |
| 02:34.05 | GalegO | *blank |
| 02:35.01 | Guest54700 | you casn edit the grub settings to not load X and work in console mode |
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| 02:35.28 | eventide | use rcconf to turn off x by default |
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| 02:36.30 | GalegO | yes, that's this why I need |
| 02:36.38 | GalegO | how can I do this? |
| 02:37.04 | GalegO | and most important, what the config I need to do? |
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| 02:38.49 | GalegO | If you have a link for a tutorial or some file explain how to do this :) |
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| 02:41.29 | Devastator | Hi, I'm trying to run wine from console but it says "Make sure that your X server is running and that $DISPLAY is set correctly", I ask you this: shouldn't it be able to open X itself when I type wine <program>? |
| 02:41.51 | eventide | no, X need to be running |
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| 02:44.10 | Devastator | eventide so I have to write a script for it to run X and then wine? |
| 02:45.08 | cooldude | hey guys, i dont know if you guys can assist me, but i am getting these errors from this pastebin link (http://pastebin.com/Xv26FbJf) when i'm trying to install VirtualBox on a Debian box, can someone help me please? Thanks! |
| 02:45.43 | eventide | the program you are trying to run is graphical, so X needs to be running for it to work. You can write a script, sure, but its easier to start X and then run wine from within X |
| 02:46.28 | eventide | make sure you have the package xinit installed and you can start manually by running startx |
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| 02:46.59 | Devastator | eventide ok. so how would I start X just to run wine? No WM.. |
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| 02:48.19 | Devastator | tried xhost +, but it returned "xhost: unable to open display |
| 02:48.31 | Devastator | "xhost: unable to open display "" " |
| 02:49.34 | eventide | I don't know how to do that, maybe someone else can help |
| 02:49.50 | Devastator | eventide no problem, thanks! |
| 02:50.11 | GalegO | Devastator: Do you have a Monitor in your PC or you are access by SSH ? |
| 02:50.56 | Devastator | GalegO i have a monitor |
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| 02:51.17 | GalegO | Devastator: :( so, I don't know |
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| 02:52.00 | GalegO | because, if you don't have a Monitor, you need to change a option in a driver file |
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| 02:52.07 | GalegO | (if Intel) |
| 02:53.07 | Devastator | ok, another question, when I plug a usb-to-serial cable, how do I know which ttyUSB number it got? |
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| 02:53.16 | xcat[h] | dmesg |
| 02:53.37 | eventide | dmesg | tail to avoid million of lines of text |
| 02:53.52 | eventide | Devastator I have also found a solution to your wine problem |
| 02:54.28 | Devastator | it seems that my user doesn't have access to /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 02:54.32 | eventide | Devastator install package xinit, then modify .xinitrc to be the program you want to run, in this case the wine command. |
| 02:54.44 | Devastator | thanks xcat[h] / eventide |
| 02:55.03 | eventide | It'll start the program in x without a winow manager |
| 02:55.27 | eventide | .xinitrc is in the home folder, but I don't think it is created by default |
| 02:56.21 | GalegO | Guest54700: My Debian is alive again :D I don't know how, but I got acess to the prompt :D |
| 02:57.47 | Devastator | eventide thanks! will try |
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| 02:58.25 | GalegO | I lost my compiz :( |
| 02:58.53 | GalegO | And other configs |
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| 03:06.57 | xcat[h] | is there an easy way to prevent users from ls'ing the home dir? if it was a shared box, say in an education setting where i have to allow all students to have a shell account? |
| 03:07.08 | xcat[h] | i don't want them to ls /home |
| 03:07.24 | xcat[h] | i keep looking into chrooting, but that seems a bit advanced for simply locking users to their home directory |
| 03:07.32 | xcat[h] | i don't need to recreate the environment |
| 03:07.35 | ManoftheSea | um... remove the x from /home |
| 03:07.42 | ManoftheSea | "chmod a-x /home" |
| 03:08.02 | ManoftheSea | for directories, x is search/list |
| 03:08.23 | xcat[h] | k, can root still list? |
| 03:08.38 | ManoftheSea | xcat[h]: TIAS |
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| 03:08.52 | eventide | remove execute permissions on that dir |
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| 03:09.16 | mmnicolas | xcat[h]: you have three groups of permissions, one of them is for root |
| 03:10.01 | eventide | mmnicolas: actually its owner, group, all |
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| 03:10.38 | xcat[h] | K, thank you all for your answers, i'll play around with it |
| 03:10.40 | ManoftheSea | guys... Can ROOT create a directory so secure that even ROOT can't search it? |
| 03:10.52 | mmnicolas | yeaa we're in trouble then |
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| 03:11.35 | ManoftheSea | well, root can create a file so secure that even root can't delete it. |
| 03:11.43 | caf | no you don't want to remove execute |
| 03:11.45 | ManoftheSea | (look up "immutible") |
| 03:11.46 | caf | you want to remove read |
| 03:11.51 | ManoftheSea | caf: no. |
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| 03:11.54 | ectospasm | chattr ftw |
| 03:11.56 | xcat[h] | that removes all execution permissions from all commands, i guess my goal is to prevent them from listing the other students directories |
| 03:11.57 | mmnicolas | that'd still work, no user owns /home |
| 03:12.06 | ManoftheSea | xcat[h]: what? |
| 03:12.13 | caf | if you make the directory --x then you can't ls it |
| 03:12.22 | eventide | yes but root can always turn immutibility off no? |
| 03:12.22 | caf | but you *can* get to directories under it |
| 03:12.24 | xcat[h] | if i perform that command, i can't even cd to the dir |
| 03:12.32 | ectospasm | if you make a directory r--, you can't ls it either |
| 03:12.41 | caf | if you make it r-- then you CAN ls it, but you can't get to directories under it |
| 03:12.43 | ManoftheSea | eventide: if you cheat, yeah. |
| 03:13.04 | caf | ectospasm: yes you can, try it |
| 03:13.19 | caf | and r-- is completely inapproriate for /home, because then the users won't be able to access /home/user |
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| 03:13.43 | caf | --x on the otherhand will let them access /home/user, but won't let them see what directories exist in /home itself |
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| 03:14.56 | shirish | does anybody how to cat a file and let it give some content of some line number out of a certain .txt file ? |
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| 03:15.22 | caf | for a directory, "r" means "see what files/directories are in that directory" and "x" means "use that directory to access files/directories under it" |
| 03:15.23 | ectospasm | caf: you're right, it says permission denied but still shows me the list |
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| 03:15.37 | eventide | shirish: you need a certain line? |
| 03:15.56 | shirish | eventide: content of a certain line number. |
| 03:16.30 | shirish | eventide: say the txt file has 1000 odd lines of content, and I want the content of line 452, how do I do that ? |
| 03:16.32 | ManoftheSea | I was educated too. |
| 03:16.36 | xcat[h] | that helped, making it 771 |
| 03:16.47 | xcat[h] | chmod 771 /home |
| 03:16.54 | xcat[h] | root:wheel |
| 03:16.58 | eventide | shirish cat file.txt | head -{line#} |
| 03:17.10 | eventide | {line#} being the line you need |
| 03:17.26 | peterrooney | shirish: awk ' NR == 452 ' file |
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| 03:17.42 | eventide | shirish: wait thats wrong |
| 03:17.54 | shirish | eventide: ok waiting. |
| 03:18.01 | eventide | listen to peterrooney |
| 03:18.05 | ManoftheSea | shirish: vim file "451 ggdd:enewfile<enter>p:wq" |
| 03:18.28 | mmnicolas | eventide: UUOC ;P |
| 03:18.32 | shirish | eventide: thanx, peterrooney trying yours out. |
| 03:18.50 | ManoftheSea | head -452 filename | tail -1 |
| 03:19.12 | shirish | peterrooney: that didn't output on the CLI. |
| 03:19.19 | shirish | ManoftheSea: trying yours now. |
| 03:19.33 | ManoftheSea | peterrooney: you did something to the 452'nd line. You didn't print it. |
| 03:19.33 | eventide | ManoftheSea thats what I was going for, but forgot the tail part |
| 03:19.44 | ManoftheSea | eventide: Shoulders of giant, mah man |
| 03:20.48 | dirabc | anyone here willing to donate (very little) server power but full uptime to a worthy cause ? |
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| 03:21.32 | ManoftheSea | dirabc: no you can't have shell access I need an adult! |
| 03:21.34 | peterrooney | ManoftheSea: with awk (or, at least gnu awk) specifiying only the pattern to match has implicit action be print |
| 03:21.54 | ManoftheSea | peterrooney: gawk, eh? And how common is gawk? |
| 03:21.59 | peterrooney | wonders at his grammar fail |
| 03:22.15 | ectospasm | I think Debian uses mawk by default |
| 03:22.29 | shirish | eventide: would have liked to use your example, as it had cat but you said it was wrong. I'm more familiar with cat. |
| 03:22.34 | peterrooney | ManoftheSea: more common than Bell Labs gawk |
| 03:22.38 | dirabc | ManoftheSea: you don't need to provide shell access to anyone |
| 03:22.41 | peterrooney | ManoftheSea: more common than Bell Labs awk |
| 03:22.45 | ManoftheSea | I prefer to chawk my wawk |
| 03:22.55 | shirish | peterrooney: yours worked, thanx. |
| 03:23.02 | ManoftheSea | ManoftheSea: more common than Bell Labs awk |
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| 03:23.25 | ManoftheSea | dirabc: whatchu talkin' about, willis? |
| 03:23.39 | ManoftheSea | isn't old enough to know gary oldman. |
| 03:23.45 | jelly-home | ManoftheSea: mawk works exactly the same in that regard |
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| 03:24.14 | dirabc | ManoftheSea: if you have a machine running all the time, you can simply run a low cpu, low memory server called freeswitch for voip |
| 03:24.17 | eventide | shirish: ManoftheSea said what I had meant: cat file.txt | head -# | tail -1 |
| 03:24.33 | mmnicolas | shirish: sed -n 22p filename.txt |
| 03:24.38 | iToast | hey |
| 03:24.40 | iToast | if i mount a NFS |
| 03:24.45 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 03:24.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 03:24.52 | iToast | and the NFS client has a cron job to run a IRC server |
| 03:24.55 | iToast | thats stored on the NFS |
| 03:25.02 | iToast | Does all the read write save onto the NFS |
| 03:25.06 | iToast | but the load is on the NFS client? |
| 03:25.22 | mmnicolas | eventide: that's a lot of tubing |
| 03:25.36 | jelly-home | iToast: that's the idea of network filesystems, yes |
| 03:25.37 | peterrooney | well, there's gawk, mawk, and original-awk |
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| 03:25.44 | ManoftheSea | freeswitch for what? |
| 03:25.59 | shirish | mmnicolas: the sed bit didn't turn out right, something is missing, what is 22p for ? |
| 03:26.14 | mmnicolas | shirish: 22 is the example line number |
| 03:26.20 | caf | IRC servers don't do a lot of disk read/write |
| 03:26.24 | iToast | jelly, ty |
| 03:26.27 | iToast | jelly-home, ty |
| 03:26.34 | iToast | Ima setup a NFS mouned machine |
| 03:26.35 | shirish | mmnicolas: it didn't output the content on the CLI. |
| 03:26.36 | iToast | and a nfs server |
| 03:26.38 | iToast | :3 |
| 03:27.18 | mmnicolas | shirish: it must, or you line is blank |
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| 03:28.16 | shirish | mmnicolas: ok, my mistake, thanx now know of another one. |
| 03:28.29 | shirish | another command/search/grep thingie. |
| 03:30.14 | shirish | ok, thanx all, leaving for the moment. |
| 03:30.17 | shirish | out. |
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| 03:37.56 | ultra | is there anyway to resolve package dependency and version issues from having installed say, rtorrent from the testing repository |
| 03:39.24 | n-iCe | apt-get -f install |
| 03:39.32 | n-iCe | is not the way to fix it? |
| 03:39.32 | ultra | one of my admin's added testing and wheezy repo's to one of our VM's that is debian 6.0.5 in order to install a particular release of rtorrent, and it seems to have been a bad idea on his part, he then installed 2.6 kernal to -> 3.2 in order to be able to install the linux-headers so we could install vmware tools on the vm, and now its very hard to apt-get install anything really |
| 03:39.48 | ultra | so i was wondering should we go all-in and dist-upgrade to testing |
| 03:39.55 | ultra | or is there a way to roll back perhaps ? |
| 03:40.24 | ultra | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:40.24 | ultra | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.24 | ultra | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.24 | ultra | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.24 | ultra | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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| 03:40.44 | ultra | http://bebop.viciousvps.com:9001/p/sources |
| 03:40.50 | ultra | here is some related information on my issue |
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| 03:43.02 | GalegO | Guys, I lost my video configuration, have some command to reconfigure all automatically? |
| 03:44.06 | ManoftheSea | GalegO: currently, X is auto-configuring. |
| 03:44.13 | ManoftheSea | Unless you have a closed source GPU. |
| 03:44.49 | GalegO | Well, it's a intel |
| 03:45.13 | ultra | anyone have a recommendation on best course of action for my issue ? |
| 03:45.14 | ManoftheSea | ultra: yeah, it's bad to mix-n-match like that. |
| 03:45.27 | ManoftheSea | I suggest you go full-retard, er, wheezy. |
| 03:45.37 | ManoftheSea | also, wheezy is testing, at the moment. |
| 03:45.39 | ultra | is testing the same as wheezy ? |
| 03:45.40 | ultra | ok |
| 03:46.13 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: if the X is auto-configurin, why my config don't back? |
| 03:46.14 | ultra | so to do that, should i just replace squeeze with wheezy in my sources file, and then apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 03:46.26 | ManoftheSea | GalegO: you don't need an xorg.conf |
| 03:46.50 | ManoftheSea | ultra: yes, that's about it. I believe you can ask dpkg about squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:46.58 | ManoftheSea | dpkg: tell ultra about squeeze->wheezy |
| 03:47.08 | ultra | ah, thats cute |
| 03:47.12 | ultra | ok thanks |
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| 03:47.42 | namoamitabuddha | If I want to use lvm, need I partition /boot as a separate partition? |
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| 03:48.32 | ManoftheSea | namoamitabuddha: LVM no. Encryption, yes. |
| 03:48.48 | ManoftheSea | GRUB2.00 can do LUKS, too. |
| 03:48.52 | ManoftheSea | But it's not packaged yet. |
| 03:49.03 | namoamitabuddha | only lvm |
| 03:49.09 | namoamitabuddha | not encrypted. |
| 03:49.12 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: I've created a Xorg.config myself to see if I got my Conpiz working in a VNC.. And my Debian don't booted anymore... So I reboot in the recovery mode, deleted the file, and now, I lost all my old configs... I don't have my native resolution neither compiz :( |
| 03:49.23 | namoamitabuddha | Need I partition swap as a saperate partition? |
| 03:49.47 | ManoftheSea | compiz over VNC? |
| 03:49.54 | ManoftheSea | someone check my math on that. |
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| 03:50.03 | namoamitabuddha | swap |
| 03:50.12 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: yes... I tryed that rsrsrs |
| 03:50.13 | ManoftheSea | namoamitabuddha: I suggest it yes, other people claim a swapfile has the same performance. |
| 03:50.33 | ManoftheSea | GalegO: I don't know what "rsrsrs" is |
| 03:50.46 | ManoftheSea | namoamitabuddha: swap can also be an lv |
| 03:50.51 | namoamitabuddha | ManoftheSea: Thanks! |
| 03:50.52 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: rsrsrs = lol |
| 03:51.13 | ManoftheSea | No, I mean... I didn't think you could get compositing effects over VNC |
| 03:51.38 | ManoftheSea | if you want your old configs, though... I fear you'll have to hand-jam it back in. |
| 03:51.40 | namoamitabuddha | And what about share the swap file with other OS, say Windows? |
| 03:51.49 | ManoftheSea | namoamitabuddha: there's no reason to do that. |
| 03:51.54 | ManoftheSea | that doesn't even make sense |
| 03:52.09 | namoamitabuddha | My hard disk is very small. |
| 03:52.15 | ManoftheSea | Windows can't use LVM, also, I don't think it generally takes a swap partition. |
| 03:52.27 | namoamitabuddha | Yeah, but it can take a swap file. |
| 03:52.36 | ManoftheSea | On an NTFS partition. |
| 03:52.38 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: don't have any "reconfigure" or "run" command to tell to X start from 0 ? |
| 03:52.51 | namoamitabuddha | I edit rc.local |
| 03:52.53 | namoamitabuddha | mkswap |
| 03:53.02 | ManoftheSea | rc.local? to do what? |
| 03:53.15 | namoamitabuddha | to make the swap file a real swap file. |
| 03:53.26 | ManoftheSea | no, you don't edit rc.local for that. |
| 03:53.43 | namoamitabuddha | why? |
| 03:53.47 | ManoftheSea | does windows actually name its swapfile? |
| 03:53.53 | ManoftheSea | namoamitabuddha: you only need to mkswap once. |
| 03:53.57 | ManoftheSea | not every boot. |
| 03:54.05 | namoamitabuddha | ManoftheSea: windows will damage it. |
| 03:55.03 | ManoftheSea | namoamitabuddha: it's really a bad idea. |
| 03:57.33 | namoamitabuddha | ManoftheSea: You're right. |
| 03:58.55 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: I've tried these command with no sucessfull: dexconf, Xorg -configure, xorgconfig, xorgxfg, dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg :( Do you have any other idea? |
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| 04:00.43 | ManoftheSea | GalegO: I don't. Is there an xorg channel that might be more use? |
| 04:00.56 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: Are you a brazillian? |
| 04:00.57 | ManoftheSea | sorry man. |
| 04:01.13 | namoamitabuddha | Incidentally, what's "multiboot" in GRUB2? |
| 04:01.18 | ManoftheSea | I'mma brazillian times more awesome. |
| 04:01.25 | ManoftheSea | oh wait, no, that's bazillion. |
| 04:01.43 | ManoftheSea | namoamitabuddha: multiboot is a specification of how one bootloader can hand control to another. |
| 04:02.12 | ManoftheSea | linux resembles multiboot in startup, but isn't fully multiboot compliant. |
| 04:02.56 | namoamitabuddha | I read this here: http://www.reactos.org/wiki/Boot_FreeLoader_from_GRUB |
| 04:03.09 | namoamitabuddha | As usual, I use "chainloader +1" |
| 04:03.09 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: LOL is because of your nick... What is Mano in your language? |
| 04:03.30 | namoamitabuddha | GalegO: ManOfTheSea, I think. |
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| 04:03.54 | GalegO | Oh... I read ManoOf... |
| 04:03.56 | ManoftheSea | GalegO: man of the sea |
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| 04:04.04 | ManoftheSea | learninggermanhistory |
| 04:04.10 | GalegO | lol I see 2 oO |
| 04:04.19 | ManoftheSea | time to go to bed |
| 04:04.28 | namoamitabuddha | ManoftheSea: For example, can I write this: multiboot /ntldr |
| 04:04.34 | ManoftheSea | but manos would be hand. |
| 04:04.48 | ManoftheSea | namoamitabuddha: you can write it, but I think it's wrong. |
| 04:04.58 | ManoftheSea | ntldr is definitely not multiboot compliant. |
| 04:05.05 | ManoftheSea | But... you should ask #grub about it. |
| 04:05.13 | namoamitabuddha | Thanks! |
| 04:05.18 | ManoftheSea | nor is ntldr multiboot2 compliant |
| 04:05.37 | ManoftheSea | because there are two versions of multiboot, and I hear there's work on a third. |
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| 04:10.18 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: I found the problem! |
| 04:10.38 | ManoftheSea | GalegO: yay! |
| 04:10.47 | GalegO | The X don't recognize my monitor |
| 04:11.03 | GalegO | so the display is :0.0 |
| 04:12.19 | boudiccas | xrandr |
| 04:13.59 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: do you know how to force the recognition? |
| 04:14.32 | ManoftheSea | GalegO: I really don't know as much as I'd like about X. But if you're patient, maybe someone else on the channel will know |
| 04:14.36 | jagginess | GalegO, see if edid is being picked up in the X log |
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| 04:19.13 | GalegO | jagginess: Sorry, I don't understant this log, can you verify for me? pastebin.com/vmJvYQpi |
| 04:19.27 | rednovae | so if I have a folder and this folder is shared and I would rather there be no user-dependent permissions, how can i do this? |
| 04:20.13 | ManoftheSea | user-dependent? |
| 04:20.25 | ManoftheSea | you want anything put into it to be group readable? |
| 04:20.34 | ManoftheSea | setgid on the directory? |
| 04:20.39 | nevyn | it's not enough |
| 04:20.50 | nevyn | you need to use eattrs and enforce a umask on it too |
| 04:21.06 | rednovae | eattrs and umask? I'm assuming that's enough for me to google the rest? |
| 04:21.43 | jagginess | rednovae, googly goo |
| 04:21.56 | jagginess | gOogly |
| 04:22.10 | jagginess | the rest! :) |
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| 04:22.54 | jagginess | (sorry that sounded disgusting) |
| 04:23.12 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: that's disgusting and you should feel disgusting |
| 04:23.32 | ManoftheSea | (I really like that meme for some reason) |
| 04:23.36 | jagginess | GalegO, vesa only is shown in the log.. |
| 04:24.00 | jagginess | GalegO, vesa is a fallback driver.. and as you know it's not ideal |
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| 04:24.54 | GalegO | jagginess: That's I know :), and where I change for intel ? |
| 04:25.21 | jagginess | GalegO, you can tinker ->mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_bak0 |
| 04:25.32 | jagginess | GalegO, restart X without an xorg.conf, it should autodetect things.. |
| 04:25.45 | jagginess | GalegO, and see if anything better than vesa is picked up and shown in the log |
| 04:25.47 | GalegO | I don't have Xorg.conf |
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| 04:27.32 | GalegO | jagginess: little history, why this occured |
| 04:27.39 | GalegO | jagginess: I've created a Xorg.config myself to see if I got my Conpiz working in a VNC.. And my Debian don't booted anymore... So I reboot in the recovery mode, deleted the file, and now, I lost all my old configs... I don't have my native resolution neither compiz |
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| 04:28.24 | jagginess | GalegO, is this intel gma? |
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| 04:28.35 | GalegO | yes |
| 04:28.38 | jagginess | GalegO, seems that intel is loaded.. |
| 04:28.47 | GalegO | it's a Attom550 |
| 04:28.49 | jagginess | GalegO, but (it's not using the ideal scanning intel driver) |
| 04:29.04 | ManoftheSea | GalegO: if you're cut-and-pasting, here's the correct english: I created an xorg.conf myself to see if Compiz is working in VNC. My Debian no longer booted. So I rebooted in recovery mode, deleted the file, and now I lost my old configs. I have neither my native resolution nor Compiz |
| 04:29.29 | jagginess | GalegO, you should update because there's new integration code for the latest gma's.. |
| 04:29.35 | GalegO | ManoftheSea: thanks a lot :D |
| 04:29.49 | jagginess | GalegO, (update kernel) |
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| 04:31.34 | GalegO | jagginess: my kernel is the version 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 04:31.53 | iToast | WOO! |
| 04:31.59 | iToast | MY DEBIAN INSTALL WENT PAINLESS! |
| 04:32.06 | iToast | :) |
| 04:32.32 | GalegO | jagginess: have a command to update only the kernel, without compiling? |
| 04:33.03 | jagginess | !backports |
| 04:33.04 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 04:33.11 | iToast | You guys! |
| 04:33.16 | iToast | My debian install went PAINLESSLY |
| 04:33.28 | iToast | Also it was a netinstall, so should I make sure everything is up to date |
| 04:33.31 | jagginess | add backports, then apt-get install linux-image << guessing on the pakcage name.. (apt-cache search kernel|grep image) |
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| 04:33.34 | iToast | package wise or am i up to date |
| 04:33.37 | ManoftheSea | iToast: good. |
| 04:33.43 | ManoftheSea | iToast: you should always make sure. |
| 04:33.47 | iToast | as I didnt install much because debian uses that crap called "taskel" |
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| 04:33.53 | iToast | Taskel = Crap |
| 04:33.57 | iToast | apt-get = Heaven |
| 04:34.01 | jagginess | tasksel |
| 04:34.01 | ManoftheSea | don't crap in our cheerios. |
| 04:34.25 | iToast | I grew up learning linux by debian |
| 04:34.27 | iToast | :3 |
| 04:34.54 | iToast | Debian and its remix's have tauight me how to run servers secure them |
| 04:34.57 | iToast | and how to use linux |
| 04:35.19 | ManoftheSea | "remix's" |
| 04:35.20 | iToast | One sad thing, I cant install it on my one computer due to problems with its graphics card |
| 04:35.33 | ManoftheSea | isn't remix a redhat thing? |
| 04:35.38 | iToast | no |
| 04:35.40 | iToast | redhat = no. |
| 04:35.53 | iToast | Sure, its a amazing os but being comercial defeats the point of linux :| |
| 04:36.01 | iToast | It's like what ibm calls linux |
| 04:36.28 | ManoftheSea | iToast: if we're gonna continue this, let's go to #debian-offtopic |
| 04:36.48 | iToast | lol ok |
| 04:37.36 | jagginess | disgusting |
| 04:37.44 | jagginess | redhat snobs |
| 04:38.33 | jagginess | GalegO, you kernel upgrading.. that needs to be upgraded. |
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| 04:39.38 | jagginess | doesnt want to be caught up in lala land |
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| 04:42.37 | GalegO | jagginess: pastebin.com/cMbNbReR what these images are the correct? |
| 04:43.33 | GalegO | jagginess: I think the last one is the correct, right? |
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| 04:44.48 | jagginess | GalegO, what editio# does this say? apt-cache show linux-image-amd64<enter> |
| 04:45.54 | jagginess | GalegO, also if its not that then i hope it says "backports" from this-> apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 04:46.14 | jagginess | (says bpo, but i'm not used to seeing titles like that) |
| 04:46.23 | ManoftheSea | gnight |
| 04:46.32 | jagginess | bye troll |
| 04:47.05 | GalegO | jagginess: pastbin.com/wwsQKytH |
| 04:47.09 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: me? |
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| 04:47.52 | jagginess | GalegO, must be the latter one i was talking about then.-> apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 04:48.04 | jagginess | GalegO, you can apt-get install that one i guess.. :) |
| 04:48.39 | jagginess | GalegO, scratch that.. |
| 04:48.50 | jagginess | GalegO, didnt see the secondary output from your paste--> linux-image-amd64 |
| 04:48.58 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: I didn't intend to troll anyone tonight. Sorry for that appearance. |
| 04:48.59 | jagginess | GalegO, says "Version: 3.2+44~bpo60+1".. |
| 04:49.06 | GalegO | pastbin.com/MLB05cM4 |
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| 04:49.17 | jagginess | GalegO, so you should be fine to apt-get install linux-image-amd64 |
| 04:50.18 | GalegO | I hope so :P |
| 04:50.26 | GalegO | good luck for me rsrsrs |
| 04:50.45 | jagginess | GalegO, actually this one looks more recent -- apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 ... |
| 04:50.53 | jagginess | GalegO, but either of the two should be good enough.. |
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| 04:51.49 | jagginess | GalegO, wasnt sure if if was from the backports i know of because the title looked unusual to me.. but it looks good.. |
| 04:51.56 | jagginess | (apt-cache policy << tells the repository source) |
| 04:53.32 | GalegO | I can't install :( |
| 04:53.43 | jagginess | oh dear |
| 04:54.00 | jagginess | GalegO, you are using debian right? |
| 04:54.03 | jagginess | lol |
| 04:54.06 | GalegO | right |
| 04:54.16 | jagginess | you trying with sudo, #> ? |
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| 04:54.56 | GalegO | I have dependencies |
| 04:55.03 | jagginess | (be sure no other apps are locking onto the dpkg database) |
| 04:55.43 | jagginess | GalegO, is your current system squeeze ? |
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| 04:55.49 | GalegO | yes |
| 04:56.11 | jagginess | saying missing dependencies? |
| 04:56.50 | GalegO | pastebin.com/xD4rMe0z |
| 04:56.59 | GalegO | the output is in portuguese |
| 04:57.12 | GalegO | but I think you can understand |
| 04:57.26 | GalegO | it's a generecal error |
| 04:57.44 | GalegO | *generic |
| 04:58.39 | jagginess | GalegO, try the other one :/ |
| 04:58.52 | jagginess | (linux-image-amd64) |
| 05:00.00 | GalegO | installed, but nothing changed... im rebooting now |
| 05:00.11 | jagginess | GalegO, it would of say updating grub? |
| 05:00.18 | jagginess | ,/said |
| 05:00.20 | GalegO | no |
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| 05:00.26 | jagginess | GalegO, .. |
| 05:00.32 | jagginess | GalegO, what other Oses are on your system? |
| 05:00.37 | GalegO | it's like a common program |
| 05:00.40 | jagginess | GalegO, is it just debian? |
| 05:00.47 | jagginess | (update-grub2<enter> just to be sure) |
| 05:00.48 | GalegO | just Debian |
| 05:01.03 | jagginess | runt the update-grub2 .. |
| 05:01.11 | GalegO | its a nettop for tests |
| 05:01.16 | GalegO | and learning |
| 05:01.16 | jagginess | ,/run that ^ and then check /boot/grub/grub2.cfg |
| 05:01.36 | jagginess | ya but you'd reboot for nothing :) |
| 05:02.00 | jagginess | unless it was already run but not shown with textual output |
| 05:02.11 | GalegO | I thinking in make a dual boot with W8 :P but this is another history :P |
| 05:02.15 | jagginess | (grub.cfg actually is the filename sorry) |
| 05:02.24 | jagginess | ok good luck.. |
| 05:07.16 | GalegO | jagginess: I don't have grub2.cfg |
| 05:07.51 | jagginess | i mistyped.. it's grub.cfg |
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| 05:07.58 | jagginess | find /boot|grep grub.cfg |
| 05:08.52 | GalegO | I find |
| 05:09.26 | GalegO | the version is 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 05:09.49 | GalegO | Nothing has changed |
| 05:10.03 | jagginess | GalegO, do you see a 3.x kernel in /boot ? |
| 05:10.06 | cooldude | oh |
| 05:10.11 | GalegO | no |
| 05:10.15 | cooldude | i'm having the same issue GalegO is having |
| 05:10.17 | cooldude | but... |
| 05:10.30 | cooldude | it ls becasue i'm installing DKMS and VirtualBox.. |
| 05:10.38 | jagginess | well currently i dont have my debian os on.. |
| 05:10.50 | cooldude | this is the whole output of the apt-get |
| 05:10.51 | jagginess | it's probably a stub package or readme |
| 05:10.53 | cooldude | on Pastebin |
| 05:10.54 | cooldude | http://pastebin.com/E1arCwQa |
| 05:11.12 | jagginess | GalegO, apt-get update, apt-get install linux-base |
| 05:11.15 | GalegO | cooldude: I have VBox installed, and I don't have any issues with |
| 05:11.16 | jagginess | GalegO, does it update? |
| 05:11.25 | cooldude | GalegO, well, i am |
| 05:11.45 | GalegO | jagginess: no, says it's the last version |
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| 05:12.42 | jagginess | GalegO, weird.. something is missing because the dependency is to have an updated linux-base |
| 05:12.56 | cooldude | GalegO, if i may ask, how did you get it working/ |
| 05:12.58 | cooldude | ?* |
| 05:13.02 | Blue1 | what version of debian has multi-arch support? It appears squeeze does not? |
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| 05:13.50 | GalegO | cooldude: open your sources.list |
| 05:14.00 | jagginess | GalegO, have you tried aptitude? (aptitude install linux-image-amd64) |
| 05:14.40 | e1z0 | apt-google search lunix |
| 05:15.04 | cooldude | GalegO, and what? |
| 05:15.05 | GalegO | cooldude: and put: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib non-free |
| 05:15.13 | cooldude | k |
| 05:15.26 | GalegO | apt- update |
| 05:15.34 | GalegO | and install |
| 05:15.39 | GalegO | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.41 | GalegO | :) |
| 05:16.11 | cooldude | thing is, that if i " deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib non-free " will do good GalegO? |
| 05:16.13 | cooldude | err |
| 05:16.19 | cooldude | * " deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian squeeze contrib non-free " will do good GalegO? |
| 05:16.50 | GalegO | yes |
| 05:16.52 | cooldude | k |
| 05:16.54 | GalegO | I forgot of deb |
| 05:17.25 | cooldude | W: GPG error: http://download.virtualbox.org squeeze Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 54422A4B98AB5139 |
| 05:17.26 | jagginess | GalegO, ya you do have two duplicate lines too |
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| 05:17.48 | jagginess | cooldude, google import debian key on virtualbox's site then |
| 05:18.35 | GalegO | jagginess: yes :0 |
| 05:18.37 | jagginess | cooldude, https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 05:18.49 | Blue1 | !multi-arch |
| 05:19.00 | jagginess | GalegO, you can pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:19.06 | cooldude | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 (--configure): |
| 05:19.07 | cooldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.07 | cooldude | configured to not write apport reports |
| 05:19.07 | cooldude | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.07 | dpkg | cooldude: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 05:19.38 | cooldude | linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 05:19.39 | jagginess | lol dpkg is a bot.. |
| 05:19.44 | cooldude | i know |
| 05:19.46 | cooldude | figured |
| 05:19.59 | cooldude | adn this is really pissing me off to get this installed :| |
| 05:19.59 | jagginess | cooldude, apt-get -f install |
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| 05:20.34 | GalegO | pastbin.com/rwiBGqgY |
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| 05:20.42 | jagginess | pastbin ? |
| 05:20.53 | jagginess | missing the e@@ |
| 05:20.55 | jagginess | :) |
| 05:21.00 | cooldude | jagginess, and i'm setill getting that linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 dpkg error processing crap after i did that |
| 05:21.01 | GalegO | lol |
| 05:21.08 | GalegO | it's 2am here :P |
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| 05:21.40 | jagginess | GalegO, line 5 you can add -> contrib non-free |
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| 05:22.34 | GalegO | done |
| 05:22.39 | jagginess | GalegO, same for line 8 .. you know how i can tell? |
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| 05:22.56 | jagginess | can browse online and see that those paths exists for non-free and contrib |
| 05:24.10 | jagginess | GalegO, you can commentout 12-23.. they're just duplicates |
| 05:24.51 | simonlnu | if they're really dupes, s/he can just remove them |
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| 05:25.25 | GalegO | ok, done |
| 05:25.54 | jagginess | GalegO, comment out 26-41 if you want.. btw.. you are in brazil right? |
| 05:26.23 | GalegO | right |
| 05:26.35 | GalegO | I know there are mirrors |
| 05:26.46 | jagginess | GalegO, there's actually 9 mirrors in brazil |
| 05:26.56 | GalegO | I don't know if the brazillian repositories still offiline |
| 05:27.17 | Devastator | i like sft.if.usp.br myself :P |
| 05:27.18 | jagginess | GalegO, http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html (scroll past the hyperlinks..) |
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| 05:27.35 | jagginess | GalegO, you can do a ping and see which one is the fastest.. |
| 05:27.49 | Devastator | netselect-apt makes it even easier :) |
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| 05:29.17 | jagginess | GalegO, comment out 60-62 and delete 64 |
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| 05:29.35 | jagginess | GalegO, never mix repositories with non-debian or debian derivatives.. |
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| 05:30.20 | jagginess | !multimedia |
| 05:30.20 | dpkg | [dmm] deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>. |
| 05:30.29 | jagginess | ^ for your multimedia setup |
| 05:30.53 | GalegO | jagginess: I use Mint menu :D |
| 05:30.57 | GalegO | in my debian |
| 05:31.07 | Devastator | ugh |
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| 05:31.14 | Devastator | frankendebian |
| 05:31.15 | GalegO | and I don't have any issues :) |
| 05:31.23 | GalegO | I liked :) |
| 05:31.32 | jagginess | GalegO, you using mint? |
| 05:31.40 | jagginess | GalegO, or debian? |
| 05:31.43 | GalegO | no Debian, with mint menu |
| 05:31.53 | Devastator | yes, when you do have an issue, i wonder where you will get support :) |
| 05:31.59 | GalegO | I installed the Mint menu in my Debian |
| 05:32.17 | jagginess | GalegO, you make your custom menu only in ~, not systemwide.. |
| 05:32.30 | iToast | Well |
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| 05:32.36 | iToast | im setting up ratbox on debian :) |
| 05:32.39 | jagginess | GalegO, you ought to only do it under your home folder (~) |
| 05:32.42 | iToast | Debian Etch + Ratbox = :) |
| 05:33.01 | Devastator | my good lord .. |
| 05:33.02 | jagginess | !mint |
| 05:33.03 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 05:33.15 | GalegO | I know that |
| 05:33.27 | iToast | !ubuntu |
| 05:33.27 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 05:33.28 | GalegO | but my problem is my X server |
| 05:33.31 | GalegO | not my Mint menu |
| 05:33.41 | iToast | GalegO, Goto #linuxmint |
| 05:33.44 | iToast | This is #debian. |
| 05:33.55 | iToast | We dont care if its a software os distro problem, its related to a different distro |
| 05:34.09 | iToast | if you continue to try and get support for Mint here a OP will +Q or +B you. |
| 05:34.21 | GalegO | iToast: ooooaaaa calm down |
| 05:34.27 | jagginess | he's mixing mint sources with debian. he refuses to comment it out |
| 05:34.31 | GalegO | read all the history above |
| 05:34.38 | iToast | GalegO, Goto #linuxmint. |
| 05:34.38 | jagginess | -_- |
| 05:34.45 | iToast | This isnt Linux mint this is Debian |
| 05:34.45 | jagginess | " " |
| 05:34.51 | iToast | Take your dirty distro with you |
| 05:34.54 | sambagirl | exactly how do you enable a UPEK TCS3 TouchStripâ„¢ strip sensor with CMOS active capacitive pixel-sensing technology to function in debain? |
| 05:35.08 | iToast | sambagirl, are there drivers on ubuntu? |
| 05:35.08 | jagginess | GalegO, so you're using mint. |
| 05:35.13 | jagginess | GalegO, why didnt you tell me? |
| 05:35.17 | GalegO | no no no |
| 05:35.24 | GalegO | I'm using Debian |
| 05:35.27 | iToast | debian* |
| 05:35.27 | jagginess | GalegO, then why the f are you mixing repos? |
| 05:35.28 | sambagirl | how would i know? i am in debian. |
| 05:35.35 | iToast | sambagirl, sorry debian |
| 05:35.36 | iToast | ;P |
| 05:35.45 | GalegO | because i want to use the mint menu... only that |
| 05:35.53 | iToast | .... |
| 05:35.54 | jagginess | GalegO, then go away. |
| 05:36.02 | jagginess | you break stuff by mixing repos. |
| 05:36.03 | iToast | GalegO, goto #linuxmint then |
| 05:36.11 | iToast | Let them help you |
| 05:36.16 | GalegO | but it's not Mint |
| 05:36.21 | GalegO | it's debian |
| 05:36.30 | jagginess | !ops GalegO |
| 05:36.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jagginess complains about: GalegO |
| 05:36.34 | iToast | You are mixing mint with debian. |
| 05:36.38 | iToast | Leave. |
| 05:36.40 | jagginess | stop advocating mixing repos is good. |
| 05:36.42 | iToast | !ops GalegO |
| 05:36.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: itoast complains about: GalegO |
| 05:36.49 | jagginess | MIXING REPOS IS NOT GOOD. |
| 05:36.52 | jagginess | ^. |
| 05:36.56 | GalegO | ok ok |
| 05:37.03 | iToast | NEVER MIX TWO DIFFERENT REPOS FOR TWO DIFFERENT DISTROS! |
| 05:37.08 | GalegO | do you want I remove the repo? |
| 05:37.11 | GalegO | ok I remove |
| 05:37.24 | iToast | No we want you to leave the channel because oyu wont understand we dont support mint! |
| 05:37.43 | sambagirl | And also rememer to never mix sugar with tea, and dont mix soap and water |
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| 05:37.55 | jagginess | for anyone new to debian, they fall for this and immediately are told and understand.. but if you continue to be a pita, i'll ignore you |
| 05:37.58 | iToast | Sami345, you can leave too |
| 05:38.10 | iToast | oh |
| 05:38.11 | iToast | well |
| 05:38.17 | sbarcteam | hi. is there a flag to apt-get or aptitude to list type of updates available ? |
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| 05:38.18 | iToast | sorry Sami345 the troll left |
| 05:38.56 | sbarcteam | apt-get update - updates the DB. |
| 05:39.01 | somiaj | sbarcteam: they are in the man page, but you can do a --dry-run or -s --simulate |
| 05:39.03 | GalegO | but, my problem is in my X server... and my menu don't have any problens with that |
| 05:39.20 | tzarc | smells a +q coming |
| 05:39.35 | sbarcteam | somiaj, -s would simulate. --dry-run will dry run. how the hell is that related to my question ? |
| 05:39.41 | jagginess | thinks GalegO is using an xorgserver package from mint. |
| 05:39.56 | GalegO | nooooooo |
| 05:40.02 | iToast | cali, |
| 05:40.09 | iToast | GalegO, THIS ISNT LINUX MINT |
| 05:40.19 | somiaj | sbarcteam: read the man page, 'man apt-get' they do the same thing, just different names. |
| 05:40.20 | jagginess | GalegO, you mixed your repos and have no idea if you're using the xserver from mint. |
| 05:40.31 | jagginess | Bye. |
| 05:40.38 | iToast | !ops GalegO |
| 05:40.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: itoast complains about: GalegO |
| 05:40.42 | sbarcteam | somiaj, and how is that related to my question ? how does it answer it ? |
| 05:40.49 | iToast | Can somone please +q him already. he's not listening to us |
| 05:41.04 | GalegO | but because of this Linux never go ahead :( |
| 05:41.11 | somiaj | sbarcteam: apt-get -s upgrade will show you the upgrades but not actually do them. |
| 05:41.12 | iToast | No |
| 05:41.17 | GalegO | Y try to learn and unsdertand |
| 05:41.20 | iToast | Linux will go ahead its you not listening |
| 05:41.23 | sbarcteam | somiaj, did you actually read my question ? |
| 05:41.26 | GalegO | but de "community" have "this" |
| 05:41.29 | tzarc | there's nothing wrong with linux, it's the person abusing it |
| 05:41.31 | GalegO | bye |
| 05:41.35 | tzarc | waves |
| 05:41.37 | iToast | GalegO, leave already.. |
| 05:41.39 | sbarcteam | somiaj, here: is there a flag to apt-get or aptitude to list type of updates available ? |
| 05:41.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:41.42 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@177.81.171.179] by dondelelcaro |
| 05:41.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 05:41.51 | iToast | whpos GalegO |
| 05:41.56 | sbarcteam | type, I mean - security ? bugfix? enhancement ? catchup ? |
| 05:42.09 | tzarc | right, back to idling. |
| 05:42.09 | dondelelcaro | folks, it would be much more useful to everyone if you just stopped responding to people who aren't using Debian in this channel. |
| 05:42.22 | dondelelcaro | point them to the appropriate resources, then ignore them. |
| 05:42.28 | jagginess | He also knew for a very longtime not to do this.. and was stubborn about it. It's quite a shame.. |
| 05:42.37 | sbarcteam | somiaj: I was unclear, sorry. I meant in the updates that arrive there are several types (as mentioned above). |
| 05:42.38 | jagginess | (i was helping him but he was becoming a pita) |
| 05:43.04 | sbarcteam | Is there a way to sort them out to only use security updates ? |
| 05:43.17 | somiaj | sbarcteam: I think you have to look in the changelog to see what the actual update is. There is a package apt-listchanges that works wth apt-get to tell you the changes in the package |
| 05:43.27 | sbarcteam | on apt-get level, without reading the changelogs/ DSAs |
| 05:43.52 | jagginess | dondelelcaro, ^ he was using debian and he knew he's not supposed to mix repos.. but was very stubborn about it.. his problem could of been that his xserver came from him mixing up with mint repositories |
| 05:44.09 | jagginess | but who knows.. he could of very well be using mint.. |
| 05:44.33 | iToast | There is one stupid think about Linux... |
| 05:44.36 | somiaj | sbarcteam: I can't think of any flag in the apt database that does that. It only knows versions of pacakges, to see the change you need more info. |
| 05:44.53 | sbarcteam | somiaj: maybe I can approach this from a diff. angle: to read the DSA rss...., parse package names out of it, check if I have it, and add it to the "update next time" queue.... |
| 05:44.57 | iToast | You guys |
| 05:45.04 | iToast | One stupid think about linux / debian... |
| 05:45.11 | iToast | Root can get access denied. |
| 05:45.11 | sbarcteam | somiaj: what do you think ? |
| 05:45.12 | iToast | ROOT! |
| 05:45.14 | somiaj | sbarcteam: with apt-cache policy pkgname you can see what the proposed update is and where it is comming from |
| 05:45.15 | iToast | :\ |
| 05:45.22 | iToast | I wish that could be altered |
| 05:45.42 | somiaj | sbarcteam: security.debian.org will be security fixes while if you have updates/squeeze-updates those will be different |
| 05:45.43 | dondelelcaro | iToast: see selinux, acls, etc. There are lots of reasons, and they aren't really on topic here. |
| 05:46.06 | iToast | dondelelcaro, :| |
| 05:46.25 | sbarcteam | somiaj: cool, I wasn't aware of policy command :) |
| 05:46.28 | sbarcteam | thank you! |
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| 05:47.00 | somiaj | sbarcteam: but if you only want security updates, you don't have to enable the squeeze-updates repo (though you will get them all at once with the new point release) |
| 05:47.35 | sbarcteam | now, I'm testing these commands on ubuntu, and I found a package which has this output: http://dpaste.com/789370/ |
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| 05:48.13 | crodjer | I am having issues with installing ia32-libs. It says libjack0:i386 (>= 1:0.118+svn3796-7) in conflicts. (Debian sid, amd64) |
| 05:48.28 | sbarcteam | as you can see the package has 2 "entries" in "Version table" part. |
| 05:49.01 | sbarcteam | does this mean that VERY SAME file is available from both locations ? |
| 05:49.14 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: no, it just means the same version is |
| 05:49.30 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: presumably it's the same file, but what ubuntu does with their archives isn't on topic here. |
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| 05:50.10 | sbarcteam | so if I'm parsing that for the security updates, and I discover the package has 2 lines like that... I'm in a state of dilemma... |
| 05:50.29 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: why are you trying to parse that for security updates? |
| 05:50.31 | sbarcteam | dondelelcaro: (I'm not asking about ubuntu, but about apt-get/dpkg, just running the test commands on an ubuntu machine) |
| 05:50.36 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: just use cron-apt or similar. |
| 05:50.45 | sbarcteam | hm. moment. |
| 05:50.56 | somiaj | if you don't want updates from lucid-updates if you don't want to install updgrades from that repo. |
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| 05:50.57 | peterrooney | sbarcteam: you're assuming ubuntu has made no changes to dpkg, apt-get, or aptitude |
| 05:50.59 | sbarcteam | dondelelcaro: I sometimes firtsly invent the bycicle and then google. |
| 05:51.03 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: if you have pending things that could be updated, then odds are they are security updates or something else that matters. |
| 05:51.09 | sbarcteam | peterrooney: no I don't. |
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| 05:51.43 | sbarcteam | more updates can mean more noise. |
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| 05:52.04 | sbarcteam | checking on cron-apt |
| 05:52.18 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 05:52.42 | sbarcteam | to get the system autoupdate itself with all security updates -kernels |
| 05:52.52 | sbarcteam | (- means without) |
| 05:52.58 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: you want the kernels to update too |
| 05:53.06 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: but what you're looking for is cron apt anyway. |
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| 05:53.21 | sbarcteam | dondelelcaro: checking checking |
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| 05:53.26 | thothstriangle | hello |
| 05:53.29 | dondelelcaro | or possibly that coupled with puppet or something similar |
| 05:53.36 | constintinevamp | sup sup |
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| 05:53.45 | thothstriangle | im thinking of switching to debian |
| 05:53.52 | thothstriangle | for my server |
| 05:53.57 | EmleyMoor | thothstriangle: Frem? |
| 05:54.01 | EmleyMoor | From? |
| 05:54.04 | thothstriangle | arch has boggled me mind! |
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| 05:54.28 | aBound | lol |
| 05:54.33 | EmleyMoor | thothstriangle: How has it boggled you? |
| 05:54.35 | aBound | Arch a bit to confusing for you? |
| 05:54.37 | thothstriangle | lol |
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| 05:55.15 | aBound | :) |
| 05:55.16 | thothstriangle | how does debian work for packages? |
| 05:55.38 | aBound | sudo apt-get install <packagename> without the arrows. |
| 05:55.48 | thothstriangle | like ubuntu? |
| 05:55.55 | aBound | An example: sudo apt-get install vlc |
| 05:56.02 | aBound | Ubuntu is based on Debian. |
| 05:56.09 | thothstriangle | any config ideas? |
| 05:57.11 | aBound | By default Ubuntu uses Debian's package manager though Debian might be a bit more adapt for the intermediate user. Whereas Ubuntu is more easy to use yet there's not much difference between the two. |
| 05:57.30 | thothstriangle | cool |
| 05:57.43 | thothstriangle | but any set up i need to know? |
| 05:57.48 | aBound | I believe they do have a Software Center for Debian. Making it easier to install packages. |
| 05:58.03 | thothstriangle | or just install packages? |
| 05:58.14 | Devastator | oh there is.. two different philosophies |
| 05:58.17 | aBound | thothstriangle, From what I know updating the system isn't automatic like Ubuntu. |
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| 05:58.29 | iToast | yay |
| 05:58.34 | iToast | ratbox is compiled |
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| 05:58.37 | aBound | Yeah, two different goals but they still use the Linux kernel. |
| 05:58.38 | aBound | :P |
| 05:58.39 | iToast | and im configuring ratbox-services |
| 05:58.53 | iToast | Can somone tell me why packages just work on Debian? |
| 05:59.14 | EmleyMoor | iToast: The work has been put in to make it so... |
| 05:59.19 | aBound | iToast, Debian stable uses a stable packaging scheme but uses older software. :P |
| 05:59.25 | iToast | :D |
| 05:59.33 | aBound | Most of the packages are meant to be stable. |
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| 05:59.52 | EmleyMoor | stable never gets major updates that break things |
| 05:59.55 | sbarcteam | dondelelcaro: no flamewars plz. are puppet and chef of the same class of packages? |
| 05:59.57 | aBound | thothstriangle, Updating the system is probably going to be different from that of Ubuntu. |
| 06:00.38 | aBound | iToast, Whereas Ubuntu uses Debian's testing branch so things might break here and there but you get the latest software. |
| 06:00.39 | dondelelcaro | sbarcteam: I use puppet, not chef. But which to choose isn't on topic here. Try them both and make up your own mind. |
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| 06:01.33 | iToast | WIth debian the machine that was converted to it from ubuntu |
| 06:01.36 | iToast | its much springier |
| 06:01.42 | iToast | ubuntu was slow and heavy |
| 06:01.50 | iToast | Debian just flys, now if it has a mastgot. |
| 06:01.53 | iToast | mascot* |
| 06:01.53 | iToast | :P |
| 06:02.01 | aBound | Ubuntu has a alternate ISO where you can customize it. |
| 06:02.07 | aBound | :P |
| 06:02.08 | iToast | Used it |
| 06:02.10 | iToast | sucked. |
| 06:02.16 | aBound | hehe |
| 06:02.18 | iToast | being up to date means alot of resource waste :| |
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| 06:02.28 | iToast | On debian, it means being up to date :) |
| 06:02.58 | aBound | Specific packages you might need to be updated. |
| 06:03.06 | aBound | But than again Debian has backports. |
| 06:03.13 | iToast | Debian > Other distros |
| 06:03.15 | iToast | :) |
| 06:03.23 | iToast | FreeBSD = Hell |
| 06:03.29 | iToast | Its secure... |
| 06:03.36 | iToast | but its insanely hard jsut to login to SSH :| |
| 06:03.39 | aBound | PC-BSD = FreeBSD. |
| 06:03.42 | iToast | lol |
| 06:03.47 | aBound | :) |
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| 06:03.50 | iToast | I think I used NetBSD? |
| 06:03.56 | iToast | There was a nice BSD :) |
| 06:04.10 | aBound | GhostBSD = FreeBSD. |
| 06:04.10 | dondelelcaro | iToast, aBound: freebsd, netbsd, and ubuntu are all not on topic here. Please see #debian-offtopic |
| 06:04.17 | aBound | kk |
| 06:04.30 | iToast | Lol |
| 06:04.47 | iToast | dondelelcaro, got any recomendations for IRC |
| 06:05.10 | aBound | thothstriangle, What kind of setup do you mean? |
| 06:05.33 | iToast | how do I get Yacc... |
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| 06:06.22 | iToast | dondelelcaro, |
| 06:06.26 | iToast | Yacc? |
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| 06:07.41 | aBound | What is Yacc? |
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| 06:07.59 | iToast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacc |
| 06:08.17 | tzarc | install bison. |
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| 06:09.17 | aBound | iToast, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_bison |
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| 06:12.27 | thothstriangle | http://pastebin.com/JP5DbvZN ok what the heck happened? |
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| 06:16.02 | aBound | thothstriangle, Looks like a couple of empty directories on the ftp server. |
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| 06:16.49 | thothstriangle | ohh where postfix comes from?? |
| 06:16.54 | aBound | thothstriangle, From what I see someone relabeled the package. |
| 06:17.35 | aBound | libmagic-dev_5.04-5+squeeze2_amd64.deb - libmagic1_5.04-5_amd64.deb as you can see the differences. |
| 06:17.36 | thothstriangle | always something is wrong with my package! |
| 06:17.38 | lcc | is there an official debian livecd? |
| 06:17.41 | iToast | http://pastebin.com/mKWUUU0N |
| 06:17.43 | iToast | Can somone help |
| 06:17.53 | gnarface | lcc: yes |
| 06:17.57 | gnarface | !live |
| 06:17.57 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. |
| 06:18.19 | aBound | thothstriangle, You could probably manually download the packages you need. |
| 06:18.27 | gnarface | still hasn't learned how to make his own |
| 06:18.52 | thothstriangle | umm im lost and not thinking much! |
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| 06:19.03 | iToast | http://pastebin.com/mKWUUU0N |
| 06:19.05 | iToast | Help D: |
| 06:19.11 | aBound | I wouldn't have a clue on how to use gcc iToast. :P |
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| 06:19.35 | lcc | neat thanks |
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| 06:20.36 | iToast | :| |
| 06:20.42 | iToast | i cant get it to work |
| 06:20.50 | aBound | :( |
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| 06:23.28 | aBound | thothstriangle, Or you could try adding the ftp or replacing the ftp to your sources file. |
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| 06:25.47 | iToast | you guys |
| 06:25.57 | iToast | whats a good IRC dameon that works on debian |
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| 06:27.36 | thothstriangle | no no bots |
| 06:27.58 | iToast | I am a real idiot... |
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| 06:28.04 | iToast | I just found out there is a PACKAGE |
| 06:28.07 | iToast | IN THE REPOS! |
| 06:28.12 | iToast | for ratbox |
| 06:28.20 | aBound | :P |
| 06:28.33 | iToast | I was compiling it |
| 06:28.34 | iToast | :( |
| 06:28.44 | aBound | iToast, Probably best to try and use Synaptic or the Software Center. |
| 06:28.45 | aBound | :P |
| 06:28.50 | iToast | abound how? |
| 06:28.53 | iToast | No gui |
| 06:28.55 | iToast | No head |
| 06:28.57 | iToast | :3 |
| 06:29.03 | aBound | Using a terminal? |
| 06:29.10 | iToast | apt-get install ircd-ratbox |
| 06:29.12 | iToast | already done |
| 06:29.12 | iToast | :3 |
| 06:29.17 | iToast | I installed a custom compiled one |
| 06:29.19 | aBound | :P |
| 06:29.23 | iToast | but i think it was overwrote by apt-get |
| 06:30.00 | caf | unlikely, the custom one probably went in /usr/local and apt-get in /usr |
| 06:30.01 | aBound | There's a terminal command forgot the name of it. |
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| 06:30.14 | iToast | caf how do I remove my custom one |
| 06:30.26 | thothstriangle | ok im lost postfix people will not reply |
| 06:30.44 | caf | find all the files it installed and remove them |
| 06:30.51 | iToast | caf, is it fine if I leave the self ocmpiled ratbow ther? |
| 06:30.53 | caf | or just forget about it, disk space is cheap |
| 06:31.30 | iToast | caf |
| 06:31.31 | iToast | I cant find it |
| 06:31.36 | iToast | it didnt install ?! |
| 06:31.38 | iToast | lol |
| 06:31.53 | aBound | I believe it was aptitude iToast |
| 06:32.22 | thothstriangle | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze/main libmagic1 amd64 5.04-5 where to find this?? |
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| 06:32.43 | iToast | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vXGWzxPmkc&feature=fvwp |
| 06:32.46 | aBound | thothstriangle, You need more than just the package but it's listed on the ftp site. |
| 06:32.47 | iToast | sorry wrong chan |
| 06:33.09 | thothstriangle | what command for thos one? |
| 06:33.58 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Shalom! |
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| 06:34.33 | aBound | I just had the sucker too. |
| 06:34.47 | thothstriangle | so not much help here? |
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| 06:35.21 | caf | iToast: if there's no /usr/local/bin/ircd then you didn't install it from source |
| 06:35.41 | iToast | i did |
| 06:35.43 | iToast | but i think it failed |
| 06:35.46 | ultra | Does GNOME 3 has desktop icons? How to enable it on Wheezy? |
| 06:35.51 | iToast | caf |
| 06:35.58 | iToast | how do I start stuff on debian? |
| 06:36.06 | iToast | I can't use service <name> start |
| 06:36.11 | iToast | I forgot the old method |
| 06:36.14 | ultra | iToast, what do you want to start |
| 06:36.19 | iToast | ircd-ratbox |
| 06:36.23 | aBound | thothstriangle, See if this works: sudo apt-get install postfix -f |
| 06:36.24 | ultra | and whats this? |
| 06:36.28 | iToast | irc server |
| 06:36.29 | iToast | ;3 |
| 06:36.35 | iToast | I also wana install its services package |
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| 06:36.50 | ultra | iToast, go to its dir and do "./ircd-ratbox" |
| 06:36.51 | JPT | the old method? /etc/init.d/whatever start |
| 06:37.07 | thothstriangle | aBound: nope |
| 06:37.11 | thothstriangle | samething |
| 06:37.43 | iToast | JPT, |
| 06:37.47 | iToast | it worked but said nothing |
| 06:37.49 | iToast | but no error |
| 06:38.05 | aBound | thothstriangle, Give me a second. |
| 06:38.08 | ultra | iToast, than check is it running |
| 06:38.13 | ultra | Does GNOME 3 has desktop icons? How to enable it on Wheezy? |
| 06:38.52 | n-iCe | wheezy comes with gnome 3 |
| 06:38.54 | n-iCe | no desktop icons |
| 06:39.16 | n-iCe | ultra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kdX5jlJ7NU |
| 06:39.33 | aBound | thothstriangle, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/file/ |
| 06:39.44 | n-iCe | ultra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia6pvTwD-ao |
| 06:40.01 | n-iCe | you can add icons though |
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| 06:41.35 | aBound | thothstriangle, You could use the link to download the necessary packages needed for postfix or you could try replacing the ftp address inside your sources.list file so it can grab them for you. |
| 06:42.32 | iToast | configuring ratbox. |
| 06:42.34 | iToast | :) |
| 06:42.40 | iToast | I'm not sure how to disbale ssl |
| 06:42.45 | iToast | or use ssl with my own self signed cert |
| 06:44.18 | gnarface | used ratbox |
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| 06:44.31 | iToast | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.33 | iToast | Ok |
| 06:44.36 | iToast | COnfused |
| 06:44.48 | iToast | That mean itoast@host.com can only connect as many times as I allow it |
| 06:44.59 | iToast | or is it *@host.com can connect only as many times as I allow it |
| 06:45.00 | gnarface | i didn't have to put my server under any load so most that shit i just guessed about |
| 06:45.17 | gnarface | sorry |
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| 06:47.09 | aBound | ultra, If you're looking to still use gnome2 you can use MATE. :P |
| 06:47.42 | epitamizor | anyone know how to fix this? http://dpaste.org/0cNer/ |
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| 06:48.36 | aBound | epitamizor, Open a terminal and type: echo $LANG |
| 06:48.39 | aBound | See what it says. |
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| 06:49.13 | epitamizor | just says C |
| 06:49.57 | aBound | epitamizor, Basically it means your environment $LANG variable needs to be set. |
| 06:49.59 | aBound | :P |
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| 06:50.05 | aBound | Mines says: en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 06:51.06 | epitamizor | aBound, doesnt locale-gen do that because I already configured that and ran locale-gen |
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| 06:52.09 | aBound | epitamizor, From what the man pages state for that command. It only compiles a locale definitions files. |
| 06:52.41 | aBound | epitamizor, It doesn't seem to fix the issue when the command is issued. |
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| 06:53.32 | aBound | epitamizor, Give me a second trying to remember how to check the env variables. |
| 06:54.23 | aBound | epitamizor, To show a list of env variables type: env |
| 06:54.42 | thothstriangle | well well still stumped |
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| 06:55.03 | aBound | Your $LANG variable should list = LANG=en_US.UTF-8 but of course we know it needs to be replaced. |
| 06:55.29 | epitamizor | locale charmap returns: ANSI_X3.4-1968 |
| 06:57.05 | aBound | brb |
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| 07:00.14 | aBound | epitamizor, I would say try this: export $LANG=en_US.UTF-8"$LANG" |
| 07:00.23 | aBound | In a terminal. |
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| 07:01.36 | aBound | Oops, export LANG=en_US.UTF-8"$LANG" without the dollar sign in front. |
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| 07:02.31 | epitamizor | hmm that worked |
| 07:02.48 | thothstriangle | dammit i cant find any debian packages |
| 07:02.49 | cooldude | grrr |
| 07:02.52 | thothstriangle | lol |
| 07:02.58 | thothstriangle | grr is right |
| 07:03.00 | thothstriangle | wtf |
| 07:03.06 | aBound | epitamizor, It only stores it temporary. |
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| 07:03.19 | thothstriangle | these bots are making me homicidal!!! |
| 07:03.27 | cooldude | this effing thing is pissing me the f off on trying to get Virtual Box and getting Linux header errors that it is failing to install |
| 07:04.59 | aBound | Once bash is closed it'll remove it. You might have to add it to your .bashrc file for it to save it. |
| 07:05.17 | thothstriangle | why are these idiot trying to make me do this for them instead of my self right before i said this? |
| 07:05.32 | aBound | thothstriangle, What ya mean? |
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| 07:06.10 | thothstriangle | ive tried two different debian packages and they dont show up |
| 07:06.13 | thothstriangle | wtf? |
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| 07:06.21 | cooldude | http://pastebin.com/qGqCuE4N |
| 07:06.26 | cooldude | those are the errors i'm getting |
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| 07:06.42 | cooldude | if someone can PLEASE help me with that, it can be GREATLY appreciated |
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| 07:07.05 | thothstriangle | so i wonder how long to the idiot realize they are banned from debian ?? |
| 07:07.10 | jelly-home | thothstriangle: run apt-get update again. |
| 07:07.28 | cooldude | thothstriangle, you talking to me? |
| 07:07.33 | iToast | how do i install atheme from apt-get... |
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| 07:07.38 | iToast | it says its in sid unstable |
| 07:07.38 | thothstriangle | why dont they stick to arch?? |
| 07:07.39 | iToast | :| |
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| 07:08.01 | aBound | jelly-home, I doubt it'll fix it given the some of the packages were relabeled from the ftp site. |
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| 07:09.12 | thothstriangle | where the hell is smuxi-server ?????? |
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| 07:09.37 | ubuntu-studio | 这里是干什么的 |
| 07:09.39 | jelly-home | aBound: relabeled? |
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| 07:10.05 | aBound | jelly-home, Like the name had a few changes in the package. |
| 07:10.28 | jelly-home | aBound: postfix has not had its main package name changed. |
| 07:10.39 | aBound | For example: libmagic.20.deb and libmagic.20.+.3.deb something like that. |
| 07:11.15 | aBound | jelly-home, It's the reason it failed to grab the packages from the ftp site thothstriangle posted on pastebin. |
| 07:11.21 | aBound | :P |
| 07:11.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell thothstriangle about bat |
| 07:11.26 | thothstriangle | where is the channel for cussing up a storm about shitty hardware? |
| 07:11.33 | aBound | jelly-home, I told him twice. |
| 07:11.34 | aBound | :P |
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| 07:11.47 | cooldude | am i muted? |
| 07:11.52 | jelly-home | cooldude: no |
| 07:11.58 | cooldude | jelly-home, k |
| 07:12.14 | cooldude | well jelly-home, this problem i'm having is pissing me the f off |
| 07:12.20 | cooldude | http://pastebin.com/qGqCuE4N |
| 07:12.24 | cooldude | thats it |
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| 07:12.59 | thothstriangle | http://pastebin.com/JP5DbvZN |
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| 07:13.24 | jelly-home | cooldude: you can't run virtualbox in an openvz or virtuozzo vps. |
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| 07:13.40 | cooldude | jelly-home, so that is my problem? |
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| 07:14.07 | jelly-home | cooldude: that's the source of your problem, yes. |
| 07:14.29 | cooldude | flips shit out that person who i'm helping.. >.> |
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| 07:14.40 | thothstriangle | http://pastebin.com/EXYDahm1 ok wtf smuxi-server aswell. |
| 07:14.42 | aBound | :P |
| 07:14.52 | cooldude | so i cant even install VMWare on it too jelly-home? |
| 07:15.08 | jelly-home | cooldude: no. Get real hardware. |
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| 07:15.23 | jelly-home | thothstriangle: read this: |
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| 07:15.24 | jelly-home | !bat |
| 07:15.24 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 07:16.51 | jelly-home | thothstriangle: follow the instructions if you want help fixing your apt issues. |
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| 07:17.58 | jelly-home | aBound: I don't see where you told thothstriangle to run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update", did I misunderstand something? |
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| 07:18.32 | cooldude | jelly-home, you cant even run VirtualBox/VMWare on a XEN or KVM box? |
| 07:18.34 | iToast | hey |
| 07:18.38 | iToast | I cant get atheme-services |
| 07:18.42 | iToast | D: |
| 07:18.54 | cooldude | iToast, get on irc.staticbox.net #atheme |
| 07:18.58 | cooldude | that is the support to Atheme |
| 07:19.01 | aBound | jelly-home, I didn't tell him to run those because on his pastebin you can clearly see it's getting error messages and failing to fetch packages. But you can see why it's failing by looking at the ftp link and comparing the package that's non-existent. |
| 07:19.03 | jelly-home | cooldude: that's a slightly more reasonable approach, and it can be done _if_ the hardware allows |
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| 07:19.32 | aBound | jelly-home, Simply due to a slight relabeled package. |
| 07:19.39 | jelly-home | aBound: by far the most common fix for that is updating the apt state. |
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| 07:20.26 | jelly-home | aBound: that way apt learns about current contents of a mirror (well, of all the configured repos) |
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| 07:21.07 | aBound | Makes sense the package was named: libmagic1_5.04-5_amd64.deb and the relabeled package is: libmagic-dev_5.04-5+squeeze2_amd64.deb |
| 07:21.26 | jelly-home | it's not relabeled, that's a new version. |
| 07:22.23 | jelly-home | aBound: you want to learn how mirrors / apt work before offering help with those |
| 07:22.28 | aBound | I implied relabeled seeing as you can see a + sign added to it. |
| 07:22.33 | aBound | and squeeze2. |
| 07:22.41 | jelly-home | yeah, but... that's nonsense |
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| 07:23.00 | aBound | Indeed, but that would be considered that the file is renamed. |
| 07:23.02 | aBound | :P |
| 07:23.05 | aBound | Blah. |
| 07:23.05 | jelly-home | nope |
| 07:23.50 | iToast | hey |
| 07:23.55 | iToast | how do i get atheme |
| 07:23.58 | iToast | using apt-get |
| 07:24.01 | iToast | i tried but it didnt find it |
| 07:24.06 | iToast | but it says its in SID |
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| 07:25.55 | jelly-home | aBound: read Debian Handbook, http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html |
| 07:26.25 | jelly-home | aBound: best not to mislead other users |
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| 07:27.17 | jelly-home | ,v atheme |
| 07:27.18 | judd | No package named 'atheme' was found in i386. |
| 07:27.59 | jelly-home | iToast: are you sure that package comes from a Debian repository and not a third or first party? |
| 07:27.59 | thothstriangle | ok also im trying to learn to configure squid. is thier some file to access or a command to allow my network in? |
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| 07:28.08 | iToast | jelly-home, yes |
| 07:28.17 | jelly-home | iToast: what's the package name supposed to be? |
| 07:28.26 | iToast | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=atheme |
| 07:28.27 | iToast | wait |
| 07:28.29 | iToast | I think it might not be |
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| 07:29.02 | jelly-home | all I see is an ITP |
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| 07:29.28 | jelly-home | judd: bug 646607 |
| 07:29.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/646607 in wnpp (open): «ITP: atheme-services -- modular IRC services daemon»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2011-10-25; last modified: 2012-06-22. |
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| 07:29.53 | jelly-home | iToast: does that look like the app you're looking for |
| 07:30.03 | iToast | yes |
| 07:30.10 | jelly-home | it's not it Debian yet |
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| 07:31.20 | jelly-home | a previous version had been in Debian until 2010, before squeeze was released |
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| 07:31.33 | jelly-home | iToast: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583327 |
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| 07:33.14 | iToast | gotta pm gry her / his oper pw |
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| 08:38.06 | ultra_ | <ultra_> How to add Google Chrome to "Programs" list in GNOME?? |
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| 08:40.23 | engla | ultra_: otherwise create a .desktop file or add it with a menu editor (alacarte for gnome2) |
| 08:40.27 | ultra_ | engla its not there and its recurring problem |
| 08:40.48 | ultra_ | engla, thnx! |
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| 09:50.04 | Rockj | Q: mercurial package, is it me or isn't histedit included? (even tho mercurial ships with it as a standard plugin since 1.3? debian has 1.6 .. ) |
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| 09:59.39 | frikinz | Hi. Is there a part of the filesystem tree which is in RAM? |
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| 10:00.35 | ChrisH | frikinz: yes |
| 10:00.38 | frikinz | something I could directly use rather than create a tmpfs (or whatever exists now) |
| 10:00.43 | ksk | frikinz: see "mount" comand |
| 10:00.53 | ChrisH | df -h | grep tmpfs |
| 10:01.45 | frikinz | ok thanks ChrisH. Didn't want to use /run but will do, its the only one. |
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| 10:03.57 | Sevet | frikinz: is /tmp not on tmpfs? |
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| 10:05.02 | frikinz | not here |
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| 10:07.19 | ChrisH | Sevet: I saw at my box /tmp is tmpfs and the lvTmp I expected to see... Do you know what script does this tmpfs /tmp mount? fstab has only the lvTmp /tmp line in. |
| 10:07.55 | frikinz | init.d/mount*? |
| 10:08.10 | frikinz | mountall maybe |
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| 10:10.15 | frikinz | mount_tmp () in /lib/init/mount-functions.sh |
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| 10:10.40 | ChrisH | this one looks suspect /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp |
| 10:10.54 | Sevet | mount_tmpfs is in init.d/udev |
| 10:11.16 | Sevet | hmm, nevermind... that's for /dev |
| 10:11.29 | boodie | Hi: what regexp could identify multiple occurrences of CRLF? and how to replace it with a single? Thanks |
| 10:11.52 | frikinz | mountoverflowtmp is now part of mountall on my sid |
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| 10:11.58 | Sevet | init.d/mountkernfs.sh or init.d/mtab.sh perhaps |
| 10:12.49 | Sevet | looks like it's done by init.d/mountoverflowtmp |
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| 10:13.02 | drigollier | hi all |
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| 10:22.59 | simonlnu | boodie: dos2unix ? |
| 10:23.07 | simonlnu | ;) |
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| 10:59.05 | ChrisH | http://pastebin.com/ikPgseup Is that a CPU or Memory error? |
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| 10:59.54 | ksk | as it says cpu its likely a cpu problem :> |
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| 11:00.37 | gnarface | ChrisH: never seen that before. doesn't look good. you change any bios settings recently ? wondering if you just erroneously disabled EEC checking on the layer-2 cache or something |
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| 11:01.16 | gnarface | ChrisH: also wondering if this is maybe a brand new and possibly unsupported chip or subrevision of a chip (or one that your bios doesn't support) |
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| 11:08.09 | ChrisH | gnarface: This is no brandnew HW nor brandnew Debian :) This box is running abt. 4 years and not showing any problems. I just want to undertand these messages. |
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| 11:09.29 | gnarface | ChrisH: well, me too, now, but if that chip isn't going dead then you should first verify that the bios recognizes it as the exact correct model |
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| 11:13.51 | ChrisH | gnarface: replacement box is in the process of beeing installed.... |
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| 11:15.11 | gnarface | well that should fix the problem either way, but unless its identical hardware we'll never know for sure the cause... |
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| 11:17.11 | berarma | ChrisH: I've read there's errors in the level-2 cache memory, that's the cpu I guess |
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| 11:18.09 | gnarface | berarma: that's what its saying but my hypothesis is that the motherboard is not detecting the chip properly, maybe the kernel thinks its got a different speed/amount of layer2 cache? |
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| 11:18.51 | gnarface | berarma: sorry i meant to say that *if* the motherboard is not detecting the chip properly... again, of course the messages suggest dying hardware but he says its been fine for 4 years.... |
| 11:18.53 | gnarface | hmm |
| 11:19.07 | gnarface | ChrisH: when is the last time you updated that box? what version of debian is it using? |
| 11:19.14 | abrotman | or the hardware has gone faulty? |
| 11:19.38 | gnarface | abrotman: he says its been like this for 4 years.... |
| 11:19.48 | abrotman | looks at his hat ... |
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| 11:20.10 | abrotman | gnarface: okay, then what's the issue? |
| 11:20.22 | ChrisH | gnarface: I do not dare to say... debian_release stats 5.0.9 |
| 11:20.28 | gnarface | abrotman: i'm betting on "needs bios update" |
| 11:20.37 | gnarface | abrotman: what are you going for? needs new kernel? |
| 11:20.57 | ChrisH | I get these messages for a longer time now without any visible problems. |
| 11:21.32 | gnarface | kinda like the voices in my head |
| 11:21.47 | abrotman | doesnt need a new kernel |
| 11:22.04 | abrotman | cpu lockups? |
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| 11:22.54 | gnarface | would assume "without visible problems" implies minimum 450 day uptimes |
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| 11:23.52 | gnarface | but can't most intel chips run without their layer2 cache? |
| 11:23.57 | gnarface | just like, at a performance hit? |
| 11:24.22 | gnarface | thought only layer1 was absolutely necessary for cpu function |
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| 11:28.54 | gnarface | ChrisH: when the replacement is up you should bios flash this one to the newest version then install squeeze update it to current |
| 11:28.56 | ChrisH | gnarface: uptime 5 days... due to power failure and I had the box not connected to the UPS in May. From end of February until last week the box was up and running. |
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| 11:29.49 | krababbel | Hi, my system hang during pm-suspend, and now it won't boot correctly. The root file system is mounted ro, I already tried fsck, which gave no error. |
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| 11:31.52 | berarma | krababbel: fsck -a? |
| 11:32.30 | krababbel | berarma: I did fsck -Vy instead |
| 11:32.38 | retnan | hello world, (13)Permission denied: /home/.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable am using dbd module for virtual hsting |
| 11:32.55 | krababbel | berarma: this is btrfs |
| 11:34.09 | abrotman | retnan: you really want the file there? |
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| 11:34.41 | retnan | it's been problematic.... I Dont need it |
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| 11:34.52 | retnan | i dont even have it |
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| 11:35.29 | ChrisH | retnan touch /home/.htaccess && chmod 444 /home/.htaccess && chown root:root /home/.htaccess |
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| 11:37.47 | abrotman | or fix it the right way? |
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| 11:42.30 | ChrisH | krababbel: btrfs has an fsck? I understood btrfs is similar to ZFS |
| 11:42.56 | retnan | ChrisH: You don't have permission to access / on this server.[Debug] same |
| 11:42.56 | retnan | should i chown www-data:root /home/.htaccess |
| 11:43.25 | ripero | no oracle's java7 in non-free? |
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| 11:43.33 | abrotman | sun java? |
| 11:43.40 | abrotman | which version of debian? |
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| 11:43.45 | ripero | wheezy |
| 11:43.47 | krababbel | ChrisH: there is a fsck.btrfs |
| 11:44.04 | krababbel | it showed some info, and that's it |
| 11:44.15 | abrotman | ripero: see java-package iirc |
| 11:44.58 | ripero | I have sun-java6-jre 6.26, but I need at least 6.29 to pay my taxes online |
| 11:45.08 | abrotman | ... |
| 11:45.12 | ChrisH | retnan: If you want to follow my w/a idea... Please use the chown I suggested. Otherwise the www-data can change it and put stuff in |
| 11:45.23 | abrotman | ripero: openjdk7 not good enough? |
| 11:45.33 | krababbel | Is there something pm-suspend does, which could prevent the fs being mounted rw? Its last log entry is 'performing suspend' |
| 11:45.49 | berarma | ripero: Oracle Java is not in Debian |
| 11:46.30 | ripero | abrotman: I'll try it, but I doubt it |
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| 11:47.37 | Losowski | ripero: Simple procedure: 1) Go to Oracle's website, 2) Download JRE or JDK, 3) Unpakc the tar.gz using 'tar', 4) Setup environmental variables ... takes about 1 minute and it's easy. |
| 11:47.39 | ripero | berarma: is this "permanent"? changes from sun's terms? |
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| 11:48.16 | somiaj | or just install openJDK, it should fit most your java needs |
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| 11:48.30 | krababbel | ripero: They want to merge it, versions 7 of oracle is the same as openjdk. |
| 11:48.48 | berarma | ripero: it's permanent while the license doesn't change, you can try openjdk |
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| 11:49.35 | ripero | berarma: so oracle changed sun's licence? |
| 11:49.51 | ripero | krababbel: really? |
| 11:50.05 | The-Compiler | heya, I'm trying to use Clonzilla (same thing with a vanilla debian though) on an industry PC my company has made themselves. Now at some point while booting, the LVDS screen turns black and I don't see anything anymore - relevant part of the kern.log: http://paste.the-compiler.org/view/d06ca569 (I can see until where the line is) |
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| 11:50.14 | abrotman | krababbel: not true |
| 11:50.21 | berarma | ripero: I don't know the details but something changed that made distributions stop distribute Oracle Java |
| 11:50.31 | abrotman | Losowski: see java-package |
| 11:50.47 | abrotman | oracle changed the license |
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| 11:51.23 | The-Compiler | I already tried acpi_backlight={vendor,legacy}, and even booted in failsafe mode (nomodeset, noacpi, vga=normal, etc.) but the same thing happens |
| 11:51.27 | krababbel | I thought that both would be the same standard, and it should make no difference if you have openjdk or oracle's version 7. |
| 11:51.34 | Losowski | abrotman: The procedure I outlined works well and 'always works' without any issues. |
| 11:51.44 | abrotman | today ... |
| 11:51.52 | abrotman | not the Debian Way |
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| 11:52.31 | somiaj | Losowski: it is better to use a package to install/remove software. Sure you can install stuff from .tar.gz but it is harder to manage. |
| 11:52.46 | ripero | +1 |
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| 11:53.25 | Losowski | abrotman: There is something special about Linux that allows something called "flexibility", the ability to do things differently. Nobody is required to do things in any Linux distributions 'way'. |
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| 11:54.43 | Losowski | somiaj: I disagree. Pertaining to Java, it's quite simple to remove the entire directory containing Java and it's completely gone, with one keystroke. |
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| 11:55.11 | berarma | Losowski: people come here to get Debian advise and maintaining a Debian system |
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| 11:56.11 | somiaj | Losowski: now try to matain a whole lab of computers using automatied devices, there are many advantages to using the debian package managment whenever you can. Sure for a single dekstop do what you want, but the debian advise is sound. |
| 11:56.51 | Losowski | berarma: There are countless general "Linux" questions in any distribution's help channel, not only pertaining to a particular way of doing it. |
| 11:57.42 | ripero | checked: Spain doesn't let me pay taxes with openjdk |
| 11:57.50 | berarma | Losowski: and they should be answered according to Debian on Debian channels |
| 11:57.53 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.13 | berarma | Losowski: if you want generic answers go to a generic "linux" channel |
| 11:58.14 | ripero | (and they really need the money) |
| 11:58.25 | ripero | abrotman: I already moved to France |
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| 11:59.12 | Losowski | somiaj: It's understandable from any distribution's perspective to do it 'their' way, however, users often question about obtaining the latetst Oracle Java (7 u6), and that can be easily downloaded directly from Oracle in a convenient tarball. |
| 11:59.40 | Losowski | berarma: I'm not the one 'asking' the question here, I provided a simple to use procedure. |
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| 11:59.59 | berarma | ripero: try with Oracle Java, although maybe you'll have to deal with the same app problems |
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| 12:03.33 | jelly | somiaj: you'd get puppet or some other cfg. mgt system because you need to have a way to do customizations on the installation anyway |
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| 12:04.41 | jelly | Losowski: java-package, while buggy, makes nice installable .debs and puts executables in PATH, no need to mess with PATH or JAVA_HOME |
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| 12:05.22 | jelly | both approaches have merits and disadvantages |
| 12:05.23 | abrotman | and uses update-java-alternatives ... |
| 12:05.54 | abrotman | jelly: and you can still use puppet with java-package |
| 12:06.05 | jelly | sure you can |
| 12:06.10 | ripero | when java-package refers to the binary... does it mean the .tar.gz? |
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| 12:06.48 | jelly | ripero: more like jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin |
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| 12:07.54 | jelly | abrotman: it's still buggy and the results are messier than previous sun-java6-* packaging was |
| 12:07.55 | Losowski | jelly: I know, admire, and use the Debian package system each and everyday. However, the point is, a user is requesting a particular Java version that is not available in the Debian repos for recent legal reasons. So, I simply provided an altenative, no harm done and no offense intended. Adding the Java directory to PATH is basic procedure for most. |
| 12:08.04 | abrotman | imagine how nice it would be if oracle had an apt repo for everything they've acquired :) |
| 12:08.21 | jelly | abrotman: they do have a repo for vbox |
| 12:08.34 | jelly | mainly because innotek already had that |
| 12:08.44 | abrotman | used to have one for oracle-xe |
| 12:08.53 | jelly | thus innotek -> sun -> oracle the repo stayed on |
| 12:09.33 | ripero | jelly: and where can I find that bin? |
| 12:10.08 | ripero | I can only find .tar.gz and .rpm's at oracle's website |
| 12:10.16 | ripero | and the tar.gz contains no .bin |
| 12:10.26 | Losowski | ripero: Simply download and unpack where you wish using tar. |
| 12:10.48 | abrotman | ... |
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| 12:11.53 | abrotman | ripero: wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage |
| 12:11.57 | themill | (why would you now use java-package or stow or checkinstall for this?) |
| 12:12.02 | themill | s/now/not/ ! |
| 12:12.23 | abrotman | themill: same people that run the nvidia .run |
| 12:12.59 | themill | package management is for babies... :( |
| 12:13.38 | abrotman | packages make baby jesus cry? |
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| 12:13.52 | kwork | cpan makes baby jesus cry |
| 12:14.25 | berarma | the right to do wrong is stronger than right |
| 12:14.39 | jelly | \cpan/ |
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| 12:15.27 | abrotman | ripero: seem easy enough ? |
| 12:15.40 | jelly | abrotman: well the java tree is self-contained and touches nothing else -- completely different from nvidia installer |
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| 12:17.34 | Losowski | jelly: The Java tree is one complete directory only, affecting no other. I have the most recent JDK from Oracle on my entire LAN. |
| 12:17.50 | abrotman | jelly: but java-package DOES do Debian-sepciffic actions, that using the untar method does not |
| 12:18.26 | jelly | abrotman: that are mostly useless unless you're on a desktop or incapable of setting PATH and JAVA_HOME |
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| 12:19.02 | berarma | ripero: from the package description -> (Choose tar.gz archives or self-extracting archives, do _not_ choose the RPM!) |
| 12:19.10 | abrotman | but it does manage those for you .. |
| 12:19.15 | ripero | berarma: no rpm, sure! |
| 12:19.29 | abrotman | the wiki page tells him how to do this |
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| 12:21.29 | jelly | frankly for a small number of machines, it's easier to use tarballs than package up, setup i386 and amd64 chroot because make-jpkg only works with native arch |
| 12:22.24 | dev1 | TIL |
| 12:22.42 | dym | hey everyone - im trying to generate a whitelisting for certain hostnames like this: http://de.pastebin.ca/2197019 - still the mails from @mail.host-name.com seem to get stuck in the spamfiler. Any idea on that? |
| 12:22.50 | dym | (postfix) |
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| 12:23.14 | dym | Unfortunately no one seems to be active on #postfix, therefore asking here |
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| 12:25.50 | somiaj | wouldn't it be something to look up in the documentation of spamfiler, I don't think postfix is doing any of the filtering. |
| 12:25.58 | jelly | dym: give #postfix channel what their topic says (ie. postconf -n and relevant logs showing the issue in some context), and be patient |
| 12:26.00 | dym | somiaj: course it is |
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| 12:28.52 | Quetzalcoatl | hi guys! is anyone installed iredmail using virtual domains ?my dns is kept on my isp |
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| 12:29.26 | jelly | dym: if you want to have different restrictions for certain classes of users, read http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html |
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| 12:32.30 | Quetzalcoatl | iredmail (0.81) is installed on debian 605. the problem is that i cant receive any emails |
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| 12:34.30 | LordShiva | I'm getting a regular freezes on my debian now. Dont know what is happening what went wrong but my debian freeze in the middle of the work |
| 12:34.52 | jelly | LordShiva: does it still answer to pings when that happens |
| 12:34.59 | LordShiva | What should I check ? |
| 12:35.20 | jelly | ping the machine from a different bopx on the same network |
| 12:35.21 | LordShiva | I dont know it freeze X and dont want to kill x or to switch to other console |
| 12:35.36 | LordShiva | ok |
| 12:35.39 | jelly | if ping works, try to ssh in |
| 12:35.52 | LordShiva | no host is down |
| 12:35.58 | jelly | then perhaps you can examine its state in more detail |
| 12:36.38 | LordShiva | I see on my gkrellm a extremly top usage of ksoftirqd |
| 12:37.21 | jelly | LordShiva: kill it with fire? |
| 12:37.23 | jelly | oh |
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| 12:37.29 | LordShiva | Now I'm on single host |
| 12:37.35 | jelly | you still have a responsive X that updates? |
| 12:38.28 | jelly | it will be hard to debug it without console access, and PCs these days don't have serial ports |
| 12:38.32 | LordShiva | no in moment of freezing it was ksoftirqd a lot used I have opened firefox and video running in background flv video |
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| 12:38.52 | jelly | eh, could be anything |
| 12:39.00 | LordShiva | Is there any way I can dig it from system log |
| 12:39.07 | LordShiva | What to look for |
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| 12:40.00 | ultra | How to enable DELETE and BACKSPACE keybord buttons for file deleting in File Manager and navigation in File Manager and Web Browser? |
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| 12:40.30 | jelly | LordShiva: unusual kernel logs, but more than half the time you won't find any because they didn't get written to disk |
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| 12:44.37 | LordShiva | Is there anyway to redirect this inbound packets from my kern and syslog so it can be easier to read ? |
| 12:44.38 | LordShiva | Aug 21 14:43:34 debian kernel: [ 1051.815000] Inbound IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=50:e5:49:bc:86:d7:f4:55:9c:f8:10:17:08:00 SRC=123.2.19.120 DST=192.168.1.2 LEN=58 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=110 ID=20699 PROTO=UDP SPT=44643 DPT=46380 LEN=38 |
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| 12:53.45 | tdn | I use libnss-pgsql2 in order to have virtual system users stored in a PostgreSQL database. The virtual users in the database work just fine. They can log in. I can see their uid, gid, groups via the 'id' command. However, on systems that I use libnss, I frequently get this error: "Could not connect to database". How do I fix this? |
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| 12:54.53 | tdn | I use Debian Squeeze. Relevant files: The table layout I use to store the users is available here: http://p.adora.dk/P2486.html - nsswitch.conf : http://p.adora.dk/P2489.html - nss-pgsql.conf : http://p.adora.dk/P2487.html - nss-pgsql-root.conf : http://p.adora.dk/P2488.html |
| 12:55.19 | tdn | Things that I have done to debug this: 1: Verified that the connection strings in both nss-pgsql.conf and nss-pgsql-root.conf work as intended. 2: Verified that the timeout does not occur. I.e. the error is echoed immediately and not after 300 seconds. Also, this happens on a server that does not do anything - so the connection should be established without delay -- I have verified that it does. |
| 12:55.36 | ikus060 | Hello, I'm using debian testing. My computer can't resume properly from suspend. The screen open, but the dialogbox to enter the password never show. The mouse is responding... Should I report the problem. If so, where and ho ? |
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| 12:56.27 | ljack | Hello. I am using Debian. Then my laptop blew up. What do I do? |
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| 12:57.25 | tdn | ljack, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ;p |
| 12:57.48 | ljack | tdn: EHAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa |
| 12:58.00 | ljack | My computer like BOOM |
| 12:58.05 | ljack | and it smoking |
| 12:59.32 | cardamon | ljack: killall -9 smoke |
| 13:00.31 | Sm0ke0ut | o_O |
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| 13:01.29 | ljack | Sm0ke0ut: ha, your name matches my story |
| 13:01.39 | babilen | ljack: Do you have a Debian related question? |
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| 13:01.59 | ljack | babilen: It's you! |
| 13:02.09 | jelly | 3, 2, 1... |
| 13:02.16 | heoa | How can I find which version of program I am using? |
| 13:02.27 | tdn | heoa, dpkg -l <package> |
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| 13:02.48 | tdn | heoa, and often you can just run the program with --version or -V. |
| 13:02.51 | Sm0ke0ut | or most times <programm> -v |
| 13:02.52 | ljack | babilen: I have a question. AM I allowed to ask it? |
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| 13:04.25 | babilen | ljack: Please make sure you read "/msg dpkg smart questions" first and try to be more signal to noise next time. |
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| 13:14.22 | The-Compiler | grmll, there is really no way how I could blacklist modules using boot parameters, right? |
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| 13:15.29 | ganz | mm,n,m, |
| 13:15.32 | ganz | ,m,m,m |
| 13:15.34 | The-Compiler | it boots from an USB-stick and I'm using windows, so for every change I have to reboot to a linux, unsquashfs, make changes, squashfs again |
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| 13:18.19 | abrotman | The-Compiler: this is #debian, not #grml |
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| 13:21.32 | The-Compiler | abrotman: why should this be #grml? |
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| 13:25.44 | heoa | tdn: roger, thanks. Dpkg worked, the other not in this case. |
| 13:25.59 | abrotman | The-Compiler: who is grml1 ? |
| 13:26.23 | mroe | what is the name of the thing that replaced iptables |
| 13:26.33 | mroe | net something |
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| 13:27.12 | Zambezi | I tried downloading two seprate videos now using Clive in Squeeze. None working. Can anyone try? Maybe Youtube made another stupid change. |
| 13:27.51 | cm13g09 | mroe: netfilter |
| 13:27.56 | mroe | cm13g09: bingo |
| 13:28.01 | mroe | I had 'netflow' stuck in my head |
| 13:28.11 | cm13g09 | but I still use iptables ;) |
| 13:28.20 | mroe | me too |
| 13:28.27 | The-Compiler | abrotman: ah. "grml" is some German way of saying "doh" or "meh". Wasn't aware it isn't used in English. |
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| 13:28.45 | cm13g09 | goes back to beating gstreamer |
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| 13:30.12 | jelly | maybe hrrm or hrmph or grmbl ("grumble" devowelized) |
| 13:30.26 | The-Compiler | exactly |
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| 13:30.47 | jelly | registers hrmph.org and forks the livecd |
| 13:30.54 | The-Compiler | :D |
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| 13:33.46 | abrotman | The-Compiler: GRML is a Debian-based idstro, my apologies |
| 13:34.52 | The-Compiler | abrotman: I am *not* talking about grml anyways, in fact I never used it |
| 13:35.02 | The-Compiler | I just grumbled because I was annoyed ;) |
| 13:35.12 | The-Compiler | just s/grml/meh/ |
| 13:35.25 | abrotman | i know .. i see that now |
| 13:35.34 | abrotman | hence the apology |
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| 13:37.18 | abrotman | The-Compiler: and to answer your question, modprobe.blacklist=modlename, or module.disable=1 |
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| 13:40.44 | ROKO__ | hai |
| 13:40.55 | The-Compiler | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.56 | ROKO__ | how can manual create modules via dkms ? |
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| 13:42.33 | dokma | I wanna be able to do ssh user@desktop "popup a GUI notice with some text" |
| 13:42.41 | dokma | do you know any app that does just that? |
| 13:42.45 | jelly | dokma: xmessage |
| 13:42.50 | dokma | great |
| 13:44.03 | jelly | set the correct DISPLAY env.var. value if you want the message to appear at that user's session |
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| 13:46.33 | jelly | ssh burek 'DISPLAY=:0 xmessage "testing 1, 2, 3"' |
| 13:48.16 | The-Compiler | dokma: xmessage, zenity, gdialog, kdialog, notify-send |
| 13:48.29 | The-Compiler | depends on what's installed and what you want to display exactly |
| 13:48.50 | dokma | The-Compiler: xmessage is fine |
| 13:48.52 | dokma | thanks! |
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| 13:56.16 | sinapsi | goodevening |
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| 13:56.51 | sinapsi | it is difficult to me installing nvidia drivers on debian squeeze |
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| 13:57.55 | sinapsi | i tried to install nouveau from backports, but i couldn't |
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| 14:11.39 | Jef91 | I'm trying to setup my network printer on Debian wheezy using the system-config-printer tool. It finds my network printer, lets me select a driver. However when I get to the last screen where I press "apply" it doesn't do anything. Any suggestions? |
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| 14:12.53 | tdrusk | when I run compiz --replace it doesn't do anything. I ran it in the terminal and got this: http://paste.debian.net/184894/ Any tips? This is my lspci http://paste.debian.net/184895/ |
| 14:13.17 | jelly | sinapsi: how did the installation of nouveau from squeeze-backports fail? |
| 14:13.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell sinapsi about bat |
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| 14:15.08 | sinapsi | jelly failed to load the nvidia module |
| 14:15.16 | sinapsi | now i'm following another guide |
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| 14:16.18 | sinapsi | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#non-free_drivers |
| 14:16.44 | sinapsi | i receive an error after the m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source command |
| 14:17.05 | jelly | sinapsi: dkms might be a bit easier than m-a |
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| 14:17.41 | jelly | sinapsi: but again, if you want a better suggestion, pastebin the whole output of the failing command |
| 14:19.03 | sinapsi | http://nopaste.info/5f65beea6f.html |
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| 14:19.27 | ljack_ | \{{<* Hello. *>}}/ |
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| 14:20.57 | ljack_ | \{{<* I am having issues with my ATI Radeon 6290HD graphics card. *>}}/ |
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| 14:21.30 | ljack_ | \{{<* Does anyone know much about AMD cards? *>}}/ |
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| 14:22.28 | sinapsi | \{{<* zallissimo *>}}/ |
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| 14:22.40 | The-Compiler | ljack_: what the heck is going on with your \{{<* before and *>}}/ after your messages? Looks weird so it makes me curious. (also, just ask) |
| 14:23.07 | ljack_ | \{{<* My games do not play very well. *>}}/ |
| 14:23.18 | ljack_ | \{{<* I keep getting FPS drops. *>}}/ |
| 14:23.50 | ljack_ | \{{<*_*>}}/ |
| 14:24.02 | sinapsi | jelly: http://nopaste.info/5f65beea6f.html |
| 14:24.44 | sinapsi | ljack_: maybe if you drop \{{<* *>}}/ it works better |
| 14:24.57 | jelly | sinapsi: maybe he's a repeat troll. |
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| 14:25.44 | ljack_ | \{{<* I want to talk like this, okay? *>}}/ |
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| 14:25.58 | jelly | !ops ljack_ |
| 14:25.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: ljack_ |
| 14:26.14 | ljack_ | jelly: OK I stop now. |
| 14:26.17 | ljack_ | I am sorry. |
| 14:26.28 | jelly | no, you're not |
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| 14:26.41 | mentor | hmmm |
| 14:26.45 | ljack_ | I will stop. |
| 14:26.50 | ljack_ | And I am sorry. |
| 14:27.00 | ljack_ | I am just asking for help. :( |
| 14:27.00 | jelly | mentor: check "ljack" 90 minutes ago |
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| 14:27.15 | ljack_ | What did I do 90 minutes ago? |
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| 14:27.35 | jelly | [14:56] <ljack> Hello. I am using Debian. Then my laptop blew up. What do I do? |
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| 14:27.52 | ljack_ | jelly: it did though |
| 14:27.55 | ljack_ | It started smoking |
| 14:28.24 | sinapsi | ljack_: drop it in the rubbish bin |
| 14:28.32 | mentor | Let's not feed him |
| 14:28.43 | ljack_ | mentor: Don't ban me. |
| 14:28.44 | mentor | ljack_: Do you actually have a relevant question? |
| 14:28.54 | ljack_ | Yes. I posted it above. |
| 14:29.13 | sinapsi | jelly: what do you think i can do? http://nopaste.info/5f65beea6f.html |
| 14:29.52 | ljack_ | jelly: OMG you are from Croatia? |
| 14:29.58 | mentor | ljack_: Make sure to be using up to date kernel and mesa versions. |
| 14:30.05 | jelly | sinapsi: uh, that doesn't show the build error. |
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| 14:30.35 | ljack_ | ### I am now AFK. ### |
| 14:30.43 | Zitter | hi, to update debian from 5 to 6 is it better to do a dist-upgrade or reinstall everything? |
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| 14:31.07 | jelly | Zitter: debian usually deals with release upgrades well. |
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| 14:31.15 | jelly | thanks |
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| 14:31.35 | mentor | They do less damage if you don't feed them |
| 14:32.13 | jelly | nod, but they do even less when +q or +b in a more timely manner |
| 14:33.01 | mentor | jelly: Sigh. You are not to feed the trolls, do you understand? |
| 14:33.07 | jelly | sinapsi: I haven't dealt with module-assistant in a while, but the log ought to be saved somewhere |
| 14:33.20 | jelly | mentor: yes |
| 14:33.24 | mentor | Righ |
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| 14:33.24 | mentor | t |
| 14:33.54 | sinapsi | jelly: i found it, i'm pasting :) |
| 14:34.30 | sinapsi | (not here) |
| 14:34.36 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:34.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:34.50 | sinapsi | http://nopaste.info/0377c12265.html |
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| 14:35.53 | jelly | sinapsi: seems to have worked, but just for 2.6.32-5-amd64 kernel? |
| 14:36.04 | sinapsi | :S |
| 14:36.07 | sinapsi | my kernel is 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 14:36.09 | sinapsi | :S |
| 14:36.15 | sinapsi | installed from backports |
| 14:36.25 | jelly | sinapsi: is linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 installed? |
| 14:36.35 | jelly | ,v linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 14:36.36 | judd | Package: linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2.20-1~bpo60+1 |
| 14:36.42 | jelly | ,v linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 14:36.43 | judd | Package: linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze-backports: 3.2.20-1~bpo60+1 |
| 14:36.52 | sinapsi | yes it is |
| 14:37.47 | sinapsi | i have debian stable |
| 14:37.49 | jelly | sinapsi: you'll probably have to install the nvidia driver packages from squeeze-backports as well |
| 14:38.09 | barhom | More a power question that linux, but do you think a 260W PSU can run a super micro motherboard and E3-1240v2 CPU without issues? (No HDD, CDRoms etc, it'll be PXE booted) |
| 14:38.13 | sinapsi | i tried, but i had an error on loading the nvidia kernel module |
| 14:38.15 | jelly | old 195.36 predictably doesn't build against 3.2 kernel |
| 14:38.22 | jelly | sinapsi: which error? |
| 14:38.47 | barhom | http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/1U/512/SC512-260.cfm < Chassis |
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| 14:39.51 | sinapsi | i don't remenber, i was trying with nouveau |
| 14:39.55 | sinapsi | now i don't know what to do |
| 14:40.11 | sinapsi | what is the simplest solution according to you? |
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| 14:49.41 | isaac_ | Is anyone willing to help me set up a VPS server to have a desktop and let me use VNC? I will be forever indebted to you |
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| 14:50.38 | The-Compiler | isaac_: why would you want that? |
| 14:51.41 | isaac_ | Wait, nevermind. I found a guide |
| 14:51.48 | ChrisH | What is a VPS Server? |
| 14:51.58 | isaac_ | VPS * |
| 14:52.41 | isaac_ | But assuming you weren't just pointing out my redundancy, Virtual Private Server |
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| 14:54.38 | ChrisH | isaac_: I just was not aware of the term... I know the german term virtual server |
| 14:54.44 | The-Compiler | isaac_: still, why would you want to do that? :P |
| 14:54.45 | Vinz | hello |
| 14:55.18 | isaac_ | Well I'd have rather not said since I'm sure some may not approve, but, Runescape botting |
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| 14:55.30 | Vinz | does somebody know why there's no dancer-services in squeeze ? |
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| 14:56.52 | gnarface | heh |
| 14:56.57 | gnarface | !dancer |
| 14:56.58 | dpkg | i guess dancer is the freenode ircd. The main coder is asuffield, a debian developer. The source is on his site, http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/ (along with an excellent operator's guide). It's also an IRC bot for the Amiga and for other OSs. For questions about the irc server, /join #dancer-ircd. And no, I am not shaving off my tutu. |
| 14:56.59 | Vinz | dancer-ircd and dancer-services was available in Lenny |
| 14:56.59 | jelly | heh, there was a dude asking for atheme earlier today |
| 14:57.01 | gnarface | not sure if that's helpful |
| 14:57.09 | Zitter | a dist-upgrade contains a new kernel too, or I have to upgrade it apart? |
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| 14:58.00 | gnarface | Zitter: dist-upgrade is everything - it will even uninstall stuff you explicitly installed prior in order to resolve dependencies for upgrades (which a normal upgrade will not do) |
| 14:58.03 | Vinz | gnarface: the URL returns a 404 |
| 14:58.07 | Sevet | Vinz: probably because noone had packaged it yet when squeeze was released, and it looks like it was removed from testing (wheezy) because the maintainer stopped maintaining it |
| 14:58.13 | gnarface | Zitter: at least, that's what i believe is the main difference... |
| 14:58.27 | gnarface | Vinz: great :-/ nothing i can do about it though |
| 14:58.51 | gnarface | abrotman: the dancer info node in the dpkg bot has a stale URL |
| 14:59.09 | jelly | judd: bug 662182 |
| 14:59.10 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/662182 in ftp.debian.org (done): «RM: dancer-services -- RoQA; RC-buggy; no maintainer response; low popcon»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-03-04; last modified: 2012-04-03. |
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| 14:59.51 | gnarface | maybe he's dead |
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| 15:04.02 | Vinz | thank you judd |
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| 15:05.50 | abrotman | gnarface: what?! |
| 15:05.50 | helena | :( |
| 15:05.56 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 15:05.58 | abrotman | for dancerircd |
| 15:06.07 | helena | I can't stop X from turning off the screen. |
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| 15:06.19 | helena | Basicly it has some power saver by default. |
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| 15:06.32 | helena | It's annoying as I can't see what's going on with it does that. |
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| 15:06.59 | gnarface | helena: xset dpms off |
| 15:07.19 | helena | oooooooooo |
| 15:07.30 | helena | THATS WHYS! |
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| 15:08.13 | gnarface | helena: or maybe its xset dpms 0 0 0 |
| 15:08.27 | break19 | off is correct |
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| 15:09.03 | gnarface | break19: well that's what someone told me, and i swore it worked, but when i checked the man page right now it contradicts that |
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| 15:10.05 | gnarface | helena: you might be able to control it with xlock / xscreensaver options too |
| 15:10.08 | break19 | gnarface: maybe it's been changed with some recent xorg server... *shrugs* |
| 15:10.47 | helena | gnarface: I don't want to install xlock / xscreensaver |
| 15:10.48 | gnarface | break19: maybe... i dunno, but what i do know is stuff randomly turns it back on sometimes, which can be annoying |
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| 15:11.18 | helena | gnarface: I placed the commands into my .xinitrc lol |
| 15:11.27 | gnarface | helena: xset should be there no matter what, i merely was suggesting it as an easier approach if you were already using xscreensaver |
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| 15:12.01 | isaac_ | I installed and ran vnc4server it had me make a password. Now how do I connect to it? I put in the VPS ip and for password put the vpn password. it says "Unable to connect to RDP server <ip address>" |
| 15:12.01 | heoa | http://pastie.org/4562682 <--- why writing err? |
| 15:12.27 | helena | isaac_: You forgot the display number! |
| 15:12.32 | heoa | I am user XYZ in group web-content and trying to edit www-data:web-content -file |
| 15:12.36 | helena | vpsip:1 |
| 15:12.42 | helena | isaac_: ^ |
| 15:12.47 | isaac_ | helena, no I have that too, forgot to mention sorry |
| 15:12.48 | helena | :1 is the display number |
| 15:12.49 | heoa | I supposed I can edit all files in that group webcontent?! |
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| 15:12.59 | helena | ... |
| 15:13.04 | isaac_ | Although the popup doesn't have the :1 |
| 15:13.11 | helena | ... |
| 15:13.18 | heoa | err web-content |
| 15:13.39 | ChrisH | heoa: ls -lad . is missing |
| 15:14.03 | isaac_ | This is everything I did, helena https://my.securedragon.net/knowledgebase.php?action=displayarticle&id=40 Couldn't get past 4 though... |
| 15:14.47 | heoa | ChrisH: http://pastie.org/4562694 updated |
| 15:15.21 | heoa | drwxr-x--- 2 www-data web-content 4096 Aug 20 23:11 . <--- It is of the same user:permission, I am in the gruop web-content so I am confused why I cannot write there |
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| 15:15.36 | heoa | err user:group |
| 15:15.47 | tuv | has anyone managed to install debian on the ivy bridge samsung series 9 laptop? testing installs fine but never boots. i suspect it's got to do with uefi. can testing boot using uefi? |
| 15:15.48 | Sevet | heoa: group has no write |
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| 15:16.04 | Sevet | www-data user has rwx, www-content group only has rx |
| 15:16.40 | babilen | (rw--r--r-- for the file you are trying to edit) |
| 15:16.49 | ChrisH | heoa: I suggest (and I assume I did this yesterday already) chmod 775 . && chmod 664 DropZone.HTML5.js <--- need to be done as root |
| 15:17.01 | Sevet | +1 yea, same issue for the file |
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| 15:17.41 | Sevet | the chmod on the file can be done by anyone able to write to the directory - currently only root & www-data |
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| 15:19.49 | babilen | A "chmod g+s /path/to/the/directory" might also be something heoa wants, but I have no idea what heoa is actually trying to do. |
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| 15:20.28 | Grim76 | ls |
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| 15:20.37 | Grim76 | doh sorry wrong session. |
| 15:20.38 | ChrisH | babilen: We had a longer discussion on this yesterday.... He was offered many options to fix it. |
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| 15:22.52 | babilen | ChrisH: Yeah, I recall something like that, but haven't followed the discussion in detail. Just thought that heoa might prefer it if newly created files in that directory belong to the www-content group as well. It looks as if this is about providing permissions to a group of people to alter documents served by a httpd. |
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| 15:26.34 | jelly | sinapsi: remove current nvidia-kernel-* package, install all things nvidia 295.59 from squeeze-backports, see why it fails |
| 15:27.06 | jelly | sinapsi: use dkms instead of m-a, it's a bit easier |
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| 15:28.28 | jelly | sinapsi: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' would, in theory, upgrade all the nvidia blob things installed at present to squeeze-backports versions |
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| 15:33.43 | alessia32 | Hi guys i'm new of debian, this is my picture http://89d7e43c.tinylinks.co |
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| 15:42.53 | ubiquitous1980 | is there a debian chat channel? |
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| 15:43.25 | bazhang | #debian-offtopic |
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| 15:43.34 | ubiquitous1980 | great, bazhang , thanks |
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| 15:46.03 | Zitter | ok, system dist-upgraded without troubles :D but kernel is the same as before (2.6.32). Do you suggest to update it? |
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| 15:47.01 | somiaj | Zitter: what did you distupgrade to/from? |
| 15:47.29 | matlads | I like the look of the debian release notes (see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/) |
| 15:47.29 | Zitter | from 5 to 6.0.5 |
| 15:47.38 | matlads | Which software package generated them? |
| 15:47.59 | somiaj | Zitter: the kernel in 5 was no 2.6.32, but 2.6.32 is the kernel is 6 (squeeze) so you have the current kernel |
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| 15:48.12 | somiaj | Zitter: though I would make sure you have security.debian.org sources and the current security patched kernel |
| 15:49.04 | somiaj | Zitter: though if you followed the suggested dist-upgrade guide you would have upgraded the kernel in the first step of the process |
| 15:49.38 | Zitter | yeah, sorry it installed 2.6.32 but uname -a shows 2.6.26. So I have to reboot :°°) |
| 15:50.35 | somiaj | Zitter: be careful, if you didn't follow the instructions correctly I've seen the reboot where the upgrade fail from lenny->squeeze |
| 15:50.47 | somiaj | Zitter: I would make sure you have a rescue cd/usb thumb drive around. |
| 15:51.03 | Zitter | sorry, which guide? |
| 15:51.14 | somiaj | !tell Zitter about lenny->squeeze |
| 15:51.22 | themill | matlads: docbook xslt |
| 15:51.47 | Zitter | thanks somiaj |
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| 15:52.54 | matlads | themill: thanks I'll look at that |
| 15:53.26 | matlads | themill: are the docs in a git repo somewhere? |
| 15:53.34 | themill | matlads: there should be a build system on svn.debian.org in the "ddp" repository for it |
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| 15:54.45 | Zitter | ok, I'm rebooting... |
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| 15:55.23 | themill | matlads: http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/ddp/manuals/trunk/release-notes/ |
| 15:56.19 | matlads | themill: fantastic! |
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| 15:56.53 | themill | matlads: some of the images probably come out of the docbook-xsl package |
| 15:57.43 | UukGoblin | I wonder where I could report this bug... basically alt+mouseclick doesn't work for me (i.e. doesn't move or resize the window) |
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| 15:57.54 | matlads | themill: indeed. The Makefile is particularly revealing for me |
| 15:57.59 | UukGoblin | what I have instead is alt+mousemove sends scroll events, which is extremely annoying |
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| 15:58.20 | UukGoblin | is that an xorg problem? synaptics (touchpad driver) problem? debian problem? |
| 15:58.31 | somiaj | UukGoblin: that is a function of your window manager/DE -- it could be that your wm/de isn't configured to move windows with that key combination |
| 15:58.43 | UukGoblin | I've determined it's not the window-manager (happens on both gnome and xfce) |
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| 15:59.05 | somiaj | UukGoblin: you could try the program 'xev' and see exctally what xevents are getting sent |
| 15:59.07 | UukGoblin | somiaj, it looks like it is configured, because the mouse cursor changes to one of resizing/moving, but somehow the mouse is stuck |
| 15:59.28 | UukGoblin | somiaj, well xev sees button 4/5 (scrolling) events |
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| 15:59.58 | matlads | themill: dblatex is something I had not encountered before |
| 15:59.59 | UukGoblin | which I'd like it NOT to see |
| 16:00.01 | somiaj | UukGoblin: some touchpads are finiky and switch between sending mouse move and mouse scroll events when you move on them. |
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| 16:00.08 | UukGoblin | alt + mousemove (up/down) basically sends these scroll events |
| 16:00.11 | somiaj | UukGoblin: I am not sure on the details of those mouse touchpads. |
| 16:00.21 | matlads | and it seems that the Chapter 1 documents how to get the DocBook XML sources! |
| 16:00.23 | UukGoblin | somiaj, problem is, I'm using a normal USB attached mouse |
| 16:00.28 | UukGoblin | somiaj, not even touching the touchpad |
| 16:00.40 | UukGoblin | I tried disabling it in gpointing-device-settings, but it didn't help |
| 16:01.08 | UukGoblin | somiaj, it's basically a macbook pro with a funky touchpad that uses the bcm5974 driver |
| 16:01.23 | UukGoblin | I'm not even sure how to disable the driver now, it's not mentioned in my xorg.conf at all |
| 16:01.37 | somiaj | UukGoblin: hmm, not sure, could it be that the usb mouse is just sending bad events. Have you tried another mouse? |
| 16:01.52 | UukGoblin | somiaj, well the exact same behaviour happens with the touchpad |
| 16:01.57 | somiaj | xorg will detect your hardware automatically and load the correct drivers. |
| 16:02.02 | somiaj | (or try to) |
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| 16:02.15 | UukGoblin | well I don't have another mouse to test with right now, but I doubt it'd help |
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| 16:02.49 | UukGoblin | the mouse has a scroll wheel and all... well, actually, the USB mouse isn't detected properly either, the left/right (wheel tilt) doesn't work and extra buttons (like back/forward) don't work either |
| 16:02.56 | somiaj | well I'm not sure why you are getting mouse 4/5 events sent ith alt+mousemove -- That dose seem to be hardware/driver issue. |
| 16:03.42 | UukGoblin | how can I determine which driver it is? How can I disable a driver? |
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| 16:04.14 | UukGoblin | if it's hardware, it'd have to be keyboard + mouse combined, which is extremely unlikely |
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| 16:04.25 | UukGoblin | it's a Mac keyboard with a Microsoft mouse... |
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| 16:05.35 | UukGoblin | somiaj, I've been googling for this and asking here earlier, and I'm a bit tired of this issue now... Just wondering what bug tracking system I should report it to... do you think debian might be appropriate? |
| 16:05.43 | UukGoblin | I am using debian after all, haven't tried any other distro yet |
| 16:06.03 | UukGoblin | it might be the macbook's bios that does it, actually... |
| 16:06.22 | UukGoblin | or whatever they have instead of a bios |
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| 16:10.26 | somiaj | unless you can locate the actual bug might be hard to post a useful bugreport. But I would start with the xorg (either debian or upstream) and send them the output of your xev log showing the strange events you are getting |
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| 16:14.04 | matlads | themill: happy days - release notes are currently building in my wheezy vm |
| 16:14.08 | companion | The reason I hate debian is the fact it will not tell me if my 300 euro's hard drive broke down before re installing every thing |
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| 16:14.48 | gnarface | dpkg, tell companion about live |
| 16:14.58 | Guest41536 | I want to connect second monitor to my computer, but when I add VGA card, the monitor connected to the motherboard stops working. Do I need to change settings in BIOS to have both monitors working? |
| 16:14.59 | companion | gnarface, tried that :P |
| 16:15.10 | gnarface | companion: try harder? |
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| 16:15.18 | companion | gnarface, it wont fix my hard drive... |
| 16:15.38 | companion | gnarface, funny part was, it did booted for like 2 hours then it ends up in a read only environment |
| 16:16.07 | gnarface | companion: no but it would have allowed you to run smartmon on it or something |
| 16:16.10 | Shirakawasuna | dmesg probably gave you plenty of warnings, if you checked it... |
| 16:16.12 | UukGoblin | somiaj, unlikely to be hardware, as Mac OS doesn't have this behaviour, and now also unlikely to be the synaptics driver, as I've now booted an older kelner that doesn't have this driver |
| 16:16.20 | Shirakawasuna | as would hdparm |
| 16:16.21 | companion | gnarface, did that and said it was ok |
| 16:16.31 | gnarface | companion: you sure its not still ok? |
| 16:16.42 | UukGoblin | somiaj, thanks anyway |
| 16:16.44 | companion | gnarface, I knew it when it exploded into my face |
| 16:16.57 | gnarface | exploded? |
| 16:17.01 | companion | gnarface, yea |
| 16:17.08 | companion | SSD's are verry explosive |
| 16:17.20 | gnarface | define explode |
| 16:17.36 | companion | gnarface, put an egg in the microwave and toss water over it |
| 16:17.38 | companion | same effect |
| 16:17.43 | companion | less messy tho |
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| 16:18.24 | Shirakawasuna | pretty sure they're not supposed to explode. Might want to check on a warranty ;) |
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| 16:18.35 | companion | gnarface, I am not trolling tho, I put it in the docking station tried to boot on it and it went off like a fire cracker |
| 16:19.22 | companion | Shirakawasuna, I called the factory and send them pics they gave me 4 new ones and they pay for medical exams |
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| 16:19.37 | companion | Shirakawasuna, crucial (the SSD Brand) responded verry nicely tho |
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| 16:20.15 | companion | it exploded broke my glassed, I get 4 500GB new ones and a new set of glasses |
| 16:20.28 | LtL | companion: how is faulty hardware the operating system's fault?? |
| 16:20.30 | UukGoblin | somiaj, thanks again, I'll start with debian xorg |
| 16:20.57 | companion | LtL, the operating system did not told me it was broken :P |
| 16:21.02 | gnarface | thinks companion wired the power jack wrong |
| 16:21.18 | companion | gnarface, hows that possible when there is a pin lock on it? |
| 16:21.40 | companion | but still I made the day which I am happy about it |
| 16:21.58 | companion | un fortunately my primary glasses are broken : / |
| 16:22.22 | companion | dint care much about that SSD since it was about to be replaced |
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| 16:22.57 | LtL | companion: i think it was a catastophic failure with no warning and Crucial seems to realize it or they wouldn't be so generous... just a thought. |
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| 16:23.52 | LtL | *catastrophic failure rather |
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| 16:26.03 | companion | LtL, well I do not know about that but for the fact crucial paid all the damage and sended within a several hours 4 new hard drives + compensation for my broken glassed (which are verry expensive due to a rare anomaly in my eye |
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| 16:26.19 | LtL | companion: solid state electronics typically fail with no warning whatsoever in my experience. |
| 16:26.28 | companion | LtL, I learnd that too :P |
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| 16:28.08 | LtL | companion: nice that crcial treated you well, glad you weren't injured. |
| 16:28.17 | thothstriangle | hello |
| 16:28.32 | companion | hello thothstriangle |
| 16:28.34 | companion | LtL, indeed |
| 16:28.41 | companion | I am going off for some Modern Warfare 3 |
| 16:28.45 | companion | peeps are wining at me : / |
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| 16:28.51 | companion | they cannot win without me :P |
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| 16:29.01 | thothstriangle | well time to start another round of debian |
| 16:29.33 | somiaj | is that like starting another round of drinks? |
| 16:29.50 | thothstriangle | lol |
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| 16:30.20 | newdebian | hi |
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| 16:30.42 | newdebian | today is my first day with debian, just moved from bodhi linux :) |
| 16:31.01 | newdebian | how can i install lxdm? |
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| 16:31.19 | thothstriangle | does anybody know squid? |
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| 16:33.25 | companion | thothstriangle, he lives here how so? |
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| 16:33.44 | thothstriangle | companion: wtf |
| 16:33.44 | [sr] | howdy |
| 16:33.45 | companion | thothstriangle, he is in his aquarium right now... tomorrow he will be eaten |
| 16:33.58 | thothstriangle | ahh |
| 16:34.07 | companion | thothstriangle, problem? |
| 16:34.07 | [sr] | i updated smoething that i dont remember and now i have two lines on df that show's the rootfs |
| 16:34.19 | companion | [sr], use pastebin.com |
| 16:34.29 | kochanka | newdebian: use google :P? |
| 16:34.30 | thothstriangle | yup im trying to configure squid |
| 16:34.30 | Guest41536 | is there a software in debian linux that can help with VGA. when I add any VGA card, the onboard VGA stops working. I tried to change the primary settings for VGA adapter in BIOS from onboard to PCI and PCIE without luck. |
| 16:34.38 | newdebian | i can not find lxdm via apt-cacahe |
| 16:34.45 | [sr] | companion: http://pastebin.com/QB7nQmhG |
| 16:34.47 | newdebian | kochanka, looking... |
| 16:35.11 | themill | [sr]: yeah, that's the case for wheezy these days |
| 16:35.13 | kochanka | LXDM is the lightweight display manager aimed to replace gdm in LXDE distros |
| 16:35.15 | thothstriangle | i need to know how to allow my client ip? |
| 16:35.36 | [sr] | themill: no possible to configure to show only one line? |
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| 16:35.39 | newdebian | which dm is common in debian users? |
| 16:35.52 | ksk | i like xdm |
| 16:36.00 | LoonaTick | Hi. I had an issue with storage on some Debian VM's, caused by moving another VM to a different datastore. I created a snapshot before repairing the filesystem, and after repairing the filesystem only a /lost+found directory was there with inode numbers as files. I figured it could be easier to try to mount the snapshot of before the repair, but trying to mount it gives an error: "mount: Stale NFS file handle". I only need /var/lib/mys |
| 16:36.08 | newdebian | ksk, but does not allow session change, or is it? |
| 16:36.10 | companion | [sr], I am currently googling it up for ya since its been a wile I have done such a thing |
| 16:36.10 | thothstriangle | any help? |
| 16:36.19 | ksk | newdebian: dunno, i dont use sessionchange |
| 16:36.23 | kochanka | newdebian: i dont know.. i use kde ;P |
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| 16:36.33 | [sr] | companion: if you find it tell me! thanks |
| 16:37.09 | newdebian | i left kde after release of version 4 |
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| 16:38.02 | companion | [sr], cannot find it on google but there should be a /var/log/apt/term.log |
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| 16:38.13 | companion | [sr], from there you can recover your old commands |
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| 16:39.08 | companion | [sr], do open it as root (sudo) |
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| 16:39.13 | [sr] | companion: well it was some month's ago... just had time not to dig for it |
| 16:39.32 | themill | [sr]: not that I know of |
| 16:39.35 | companion | how about grep it? |
| 16:39.50 | [sr] | companion: thing is i dont know what to grep for!! |
| 16:40.03 | companion | [sr], apt-get instlal |
| 16:40.10 | companion | [sr], grep for that command |
| 16:40.20 | companion | I never used grep much so cannot tell much about it either |
| 16:40.31 | themill | ,bug 656333 |
| 16:40.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/656333 in coreutils (open): «df: [patch] Please ignore rootfs in df output»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-12-23; last modified: 2012-01-18. |
| 16:40.35 | [sr] | companion: yes but, which package? i've installed so many |
| 16:40.37 | companion | [sr], or scroll (CTRL + W) to the date |
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| 16:40.46 | companion | it should be the last one right :) |
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| 16:41.38 | simonlnu | scroll with ^w? |
| 16:41.49 | companion | simonlnu, search :P |
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| 16:41.54 | jelly-home | themill: eh, so sane mtab features are replaced by hacks in each tool showing filesystems |
| 16:42.14 | companion | I wish I had more disk space : / |
| 16:42.16 | jelly-home | who calls that progress |
| 16:42.25 | companion | jelly-home, from #Archlinux-offtopic ? |
| 16:42.33 | themill | jelly-home: well, I think that's probably why the maintainer has not applied this patch |
| 16:42.34 | companion | there two jelly's here :o |
| 16:42.39 | jelly-home | companion: no, jelly1 is a different dude |
| 16:42.46 | companion | jelly-home, aight |
| 16:42.53 | [sr] | companion: better, do you know what causes this to appear the two lines? |
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| 16:43.53 | simonlnu | must be some odd gui thing... |
| 16:44.06 | companion | [sr], *shrugs* should be probably a portable media still mounted |
| 16:44.22 | [sr] | companion: no, impossible |
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| 16:44.35 | [sr] | there are servers, and are 4 of them |
| 16:44.35 | companion | rootfs is some thing thats used for installation media/live environments |
| 16:44.47 | themill | no |
| 16:45.01 | companion | themill, what is it then? |
| 16:45.11 | themill | companion: have you read that bug yet? |
| 16:45.29 | companion | themill, ah |
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| 16:45.51 | companion | themill, dint saw that bug report et |
| 16:45.53 | companion | yet* |
| 16:45.53 | pronto | (debain 6 -freah install) do i need portmap or rpcbind at all? (when i removed portmap, rpcbind was installed... to listen on port 111) , and i dislike RPC things listening |
| 16:45.59 | simonlnu | rootfs > / |
| 16:46.30 | companion | [sr], as themill said just ignore it |
| 16:46.48 | [sr] | companion: themill, i know it's harmless, just don't like to see it :) |
| 16:47.00 | companion | [sr], then don't look at it/ |
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| 16:48.35 | themill | [sr]: «alias df='df -x rootfs'» problem solved |
| 16:48.49 | jelly-home | companion: but who will fix all the script code that expects each mountpoint to appear once in mtab and do things with them? |
| 16:49.10 | [sr] | themill: well that's a workarround.. i'll monitor the bug aswell, thanks :) |
| 16:49.22 | themill | .o0( anything using mtab is probably already broken ) |
| 16:49.28 | companion | shrugs and goes off for a smoke |
| 16:49.30 | simonlnu | srsly |
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| 16:50.03 | [sr] | themill: couldn't i just comment the line in mtab? |
| 16:50.10 | Vinz | caca-utils - text mode graphics utilities |
| 16:50.17 | simonlnu | should be reading /proc/mounts on linux, or fallback to fstab |
| 16:50.22 | companion | [sr], what kind of server(s) your using? |
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| 16:50.29 | Vinz | sorry |
| 16:50.42 | [sr] | companion: fileserver/web/email |
| 16:51.06 | jelly-home | simonlnu: in my case, I run backup on each real mountpoint and want to skip bind-mounts and other stuff |
| 16:51.23 | simonlnu | *nods* |
| 16:51.37 | jelly-home | whitelisted a set of fs types instead |
| 16:51.57 | thothstriangle | how do i add line to your /etc/apt/source.list file: ??? |
| 16:52.02 | jelly-home | still, a common feature of unix is needlessly and frivolously broken |
| 16:52.06 | simonlnu | that's another alternative... and with a switch display all of them |
| 16:52.37 | simonlnu | not every day you get a news fs type ;) |
| 16:52.42 | simonlnu | new* |
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| 16:53.00 | kochanka | proxy :o |
| 16:53.02 | newdebian | still not able to find lxdm on google or apt :( |
| 16:53.08 | themill | [sr]: mtab is not an editable file |
| 16:53.13 | simonlnu | try lxde |
| 16:53.20 | jelly-home | simonlnu: not every day I get a notice of silly mounts that clients expect to be backed up |
| 16:53.26 | [sr] | themill: ya i'm seeing that is created by kernel |
| 16:53.32 | simonlnu | jelly-home: heh |
| 16:53.53 | newdebian | simonlnu, but i just wanna install lxdm, not the whole lxde! |
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| 16:53.57 | simonlnu | mount, not kernel |
| 16:54.03 | jelly-home | eh, it's not the first time distro or upstream makes more work for me |
| 16:54.08 | kochanka | newdebian: |
| 16:54.10 | kochanka | http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxde/files/lxdm/ |
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| 16:54.13 | [sr] | or that |
| 16:54.48 | newdebian | kochanka, thanks a lot :) |
| 16:55.02 | kochanka | no problem |
| 16:55.03 | kochanka | :) |
| 16:55.37 | Vibe | hi |
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| 16:55.53 | Vibe | hmmm trying to do raid 1 to debian squeeze with installer |
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| 16:56.05 | Vibe | other hdd shows pri/log and another doesn't |
| 16:56.25 | Sevet | vibe: software raid? |
| 16:56.29 | Vibe | yea |
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| 16:56.48 | Vibe | so when I do raid partition (/boot) 102M in pri/log it shows 101.7M and in other its 102M |
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| 16:57.15 | Sevet | linux software raid or something on the motherboard? |
| 16:57.39 | Vibe | first one |
| 16:57.45 | Vibe | with installer cd |
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| 16:58.04 | Vibe | I had previous raid in one hdd |
| 16:58.31 | Vibe | wonder why other shows pri/log in partitions and another doesn't |
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| 17:03.28 | Vinz | bye |
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| 17:13.28 | straterra | Is there an easy way to get JDK 6.0.33 on squeeze? |
| 17:14.40 | thewanderer1 | hi. is there a D compiler included in Debian? searching by keywords "d" and "compiler" isn't producing particularly useful results, imagine this... |
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| 17:15.43 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: apt-cache search '\bd\b' ? |
| 17:15.47 | simonlnu | yeh there is |
| 17:15.50 | bobweaver | hell what is up with liv.debian.coom not working ? |
| 17:15.52 | jelly-home | ,i ldc |
| 17:15.53 | judd | Package ldc (devel, extra) in squeeze/i386: LLVM D Compiler. Version: 0.9.1+hg1634-1; Size: 4692.8k; Installed: 12452k; Homepage: http://dsource.org/projects/ldc |
| 17:15.55 | simonlnu | --names-only ? |
| 17:15.56 | bobweaver | hello * |
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| 17:16.24 | simonlnu | first, try .org not .com |
| 17:16.36 | themill | "axi-cache search devel::compiler d" |
| 17:16.41 | bobweaver | well I tried google |
| 17:16.52 | bobweaver | http://live.debian.net/manual/ |
| 17:16.55 | bobweaver | that is the link |
| 17:16.57 | simonlnu | try your location bar first |
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| 17:17.19 | jelly-home | ,i gdc |
| 17:17.20 | judd | Package gdc (devel, optional) in squeeze/i386: The D compiler. Version: 4.3.5-3; Size: 14.6k; Installed: 64k |
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| 17:17.35 | themill | hugs axi-cache |
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| 17:17.59 | bobweaver | well google has some cached copies so that should work |
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| 17:18.31 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: oh, thanks. themill: neat, I didn't know apt-cache could search tags :) |
| 17:19.06 | themill | thewanderer1: axi-cache not apt-cache. (aptitude can do tag searching too, but axi-cache does tag completion and search suggestions as tab completion) |
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| 17:19.59 | thewanderer1 | huh! cognitive bias... this is the first time I've ever found this "Xapian" useful, too :P |
| 17:20.01 | themill | search suggestions with tab completion... it's absolutely inspired |
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| 17:29.20 | thewanderer1 | I see ldc depends on libconfig++8, but can't find libconfig++8 in wheezy nor sid. how do I check why it's not there? |
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| 17:30.14 | themill | ,rprovides libconfig++8 --release wheezy |
| 17:30.16 | judd | No packages provide 'libconfig++8' in wheezy/i386. |
| 17:30.24 | themill | glares at judd |
| 17:30.51 | thewanderer1 | no, ldc is not in wheezy - it's been removed for this precise reason... |
| 17:30.59 | themill | heh |
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| 17:32.39 | thewanderer1 | for now, I'll carry on using squeeze's libconfig++8... still, it's a bit unsettling |
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| 17:34.43 | roothorick | I'm transferring ~1TB of data to a USB hard drive in preparation of putting the source drive in a RAID5 array. The transfer is taking a while; I'm 8 hours in and my best guess estimates put it at another 8 hours. Any tips for possibly speeding this process up, without starting over? |
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| 17:35.12 | kupo | ugh can someone tell me whats up with all wheezy repo's atm? |
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| 17:35.24 | kupo | I'm unable to install any machines via netinstall |
| 17:35.36 | themill | kupo: which installer image are you using |
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| 17:35.59 | kupo | themill: 6.0.5 netinstall iso |
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| 17:36.41 | kupo | also my existing wheezy server is unable to run aptitude update |
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| 17:36.56 | kupo | I've tried about 10-15 different repo sources |
| 17:36.56 | themill | that sounds like more of a problem.... in what way can it not update? |
| 17:37.03 | themill | please pastebin real output.. |
| 17:37.08 | kupo | http://pastebin.com/sqgT2Z6L |
| 17:37.41 | kupo | possibly unrelated but the problem seems to be occuring with my communication to the repos |
| 17:38.15 | themill | that sounds quite related... do you have a proxy between you and the repo? that's the normal culprit |
| 17:38.22 | kupo | I'm doing a test install on my local machine here (vs my kvm server) to gauge any differences |
| 17:38.40 | kupo | themill: not that I know of |
| 17:38.49 | kupo | themill: though it would explain it |
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| 17:40.00 | themill | the 404s on Translations is possibly because you don't have bzip2 installed |
| 17:40.12 | kupo | themill: ran through it on another bug |
| 17:40.15 | kupo | installed it |
| 17:40.20 | jhutchins_wk | Hash sum mismatch suggests a failed or incomplete update of the servers. |
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| 17:40.45 | kupo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673521 |
| 17:40.47 | themill | when it's on more than one mirror it's normally a connection issue |
| 17:40.58 | kupo | thats about as similiar as I've got |
| 17:41.15 | themill | kupo: yeah, but that's only the 404s, not the hash mismatches |
| 17:41.50 | jelly-home | roothorick: stop it, connect the drive via SATA if possible, restart using rsync |
| 17:42.19 | kupo | themill: so a vm install of wheezy is finishing on my local workstation here |
| 17:42.25 | kupo | I tried all US repo and locales |
| 17:42.31 | kupo | vs Iceland where I am |
| 17:42.51 | roothorick | jelly-home: the temporary storage drive is NTFS and I'm not allowed to change that because it's not my drive. rsync would therefore clobber permissions so that's out of the question. I'm using tar without compression. |
| 17:42.52 | jelly-home | roothorick: rsync avoids copying files with same (size, timestamp) again |
| 17:43.03 | kupo | oops spoke too soon |
| 17:43.11 | kupo | literally just failed |
| 17:43.13 | themill | roothorick: the ftp.dk mirror you tried that claimed to have a hashsum mismatch is fine |
| 17:43.20 | themill | err... kupo^^ |
| 17:43.32 | kupo | themill: yea they all seem to be fine |
| 17:44.07 | themill | kupo: manually grabbing the files and checking the hashes shows that there's no problem with the mirror. Sounds like your connection. A proxy server or some sort of braindead login form would do this |
| 17:44.14 | roothorick | jelly-home: behavior I'm seeing seems to suggest that the source drive seeking seems to be the main bottleneck... hell if I know how to improve that |
| 17:44.45 | jelly-home | roothorick: no easy way. your source might be highly fragmented or whatnot |
| 17:44.47 | roothorick | I'm guessing due to the sheer volume of the data I'm just stuck with it taking a while |
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| 17:45.28 | roothorick | on the happy side, once it's all transferred into the fresh array it'll all be in nice contiguous chunks with no fragmentation |
| 17:45.55 | kupo | themill: yea I'm a bit boggled by this |
| 17:45.56 | roothorick | since I'm here, do I have to do anything special to have root on ext4 in squeeze? Or is everything all set in the default initrd? |
| 17:46.09 | kupo | also just discerning where the problem is occuring |
| 17:46.42 | themill | kupo: you can complete the installation without network connection; you can test out the files yourself with wget and md5sum (/msg dpkg secure apt) |
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| 17:46.57 | thewanderer1 | roothorick: the default initrd is alright, just set the fs type to ext4 in the installer and you're good |
| 17:47.02 | kupo | themill: well to be fail they're two seperate issues that I think might be related |
| 17:47.10 | kupo | the proxy issue might account for it though |
| 17:47.14 | kupo | fair* |
| 17:47.33 | roothorick | thewanderer1: I'm not reinstalling, I made a tar of the current install and I'm gonna be extracting that over the new mounts and editing fstab and whatnot |
| 17:47.50 | kupo | themill: the strange thing is that the system is still able to install packages fine |
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| 17:49.06 | tharkun | Good $(date) I've got a /var/lib/mysql subdirectory that was not purged when mysql was. It has a debian-5.0.flag which is empty. How do I finish the process of purging completely mysql? |
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| 17:50.35 | themill | tharkun: there used to be a debconf question about whether your db data should be killed off or not... can't remember if there is or not now. Random files like that are 5.0->5.1 format migration flags... rm at your leisure. |
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| 17:50.54 | tharkun | themill: thanks |
| 17:51.49 | thewanderer1 | roothorick: just remember to regenerate the initramfs after unpacking (in the chroot, with proc et al mounted) |
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| 18:01.55 | roothorick | thewanderer1: the what? I just run a command in chroot right? |
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| 18:04.39 | thewanderer1 | roothorick: yeah, but ensure you have /dev, /proc and /sys mounted |
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| 18:08.42 | wfq | hi guys |
| 18:08.49 | \Jan | erm, is it safe do delete anything in /usr/src/linux/ |
| 18:09.34 | wfq | could anyone please show me what their apache2/php.ini file looks like? I can get php and mysql working on my server. I am pretty sure it is an issue with mysql.so |
| 18:09.50 | wfq | I have followed this tutorial but still same problem (http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp) |
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| 18:13.58 | justin | wfq: install php5-mysql and libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:15.20 | wfq | justin, I did that and restarted my apache but still I see a blank page when I try to do any mysql connection from php |
| 18:15.39 | wfq | justin, I can see any include in the php.ini to conf.d where the mysql.ini is |
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| 18:15.57 | justin | a blank page? |
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| 18:16.34 | wfq | yes, I can see phpinfo() but if I try to make a conneciton to the db I see nothing. Something is wrong but I can see anything |
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| 18:17.06 | justin | does phpinfo say you have the mysql module loaded? |
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| 18:17.29 | Myhro | someone here have experience backporting packages? |
| 18:18.02 | justin | !+ssb |
| 18:18.03 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 18:18.06 | wfq | justin, let me double check. That is a good point |
| 18:18.17 | jelly-home | \Jan: that directory is typically not managed by the distro, so whatever you delete won't bother dpkg or apt. |
| 18:19.07 | wfq | justin, yes it does |
| 18:19.19 | jelly-home | \Jan: but if you're using a custom kernel and that's the only place its sources and headers are present, you'd be left unable to rebuild it again or build third party modules for it |
| 18:19.21 | wfq | this is very strange |
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| 18:20.16 | Myhro | justin, I mean... I can build/install a package on my system, but how can I distribute it? Do I need to build it for many archs before sending to the official squeeze-backports? How the dependencies would be resolved (without using apt-get build-dep on every machine)? |
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| 18:21.36 | wfq | can't get it working. I have tried to use php script.php and I see nothing |
| 18:22.43 | \Jan | jelly-home: ah, I was moving out some stuff because / was getting full, and old sources and linux-header directories were there |
| 18:23.16 | \Jan | but I just reinstalled the headers again since I'd built the kernel into a package; should be fine, right? |
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| 18:24.46 | thothstriangle | how do i add line to your /etc/apt/source.list file: ??? |
| 18:25.01 | justin | Myhro: http://backports-master.debian.org/Contribute/ ? |
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| 18:25.40 | Myhro | justin, I've already read it... :( |
| 18:26.04 | jelly-home | \Jan: yeah |
| 18:26.06 | jhutchins_wk | Myhro: You might want to lurk in #debian-mentors on oftc.net and follow the discussions there for a while. |
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| 18:27.12 | Myhro | jhutchins_wk, I'll take a look. Thank you |
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| 18:30.20 | uwjesd | Does debian 6 have blu ray support? |
| 18:31.28 | kupo | uwjesd: check vlc |
| 18:31.39 | kupo | it's less of a OS specific question |
| 18:32.29 | jhutchins_wk | kupo: They can also be used for ordinary data storage, backups and such, it's more than just video, and you need drivers for the drives. |
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| 18:34.39 | jhutchins_wk | uwjesd: I believe I checked Lenny and it did support most drives. |
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| 18:35.32 | Vibe | hi |
| 18:36.05 | Vibe | hmm installing now squeeze with raid 1, md0 boot, md1 / and swap md2 |
| 18:36.16 | Vibe | but installer can't install grub to mbr :/ |
| 18:36.19 | helena | FUCKERS! |
| 18:37.02 | Anubisss_ | guys, howto delete an interface (eth1) to not show in ifconfig -a ? |
| 18:37.05 | Vibe | ideas what's wrgon? |
| 18:37.13 | Vibe | *wrong |
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| 18:37.27 | helena | Anubisss_: Why would you want to? :o |
| 18:37.46 | helena | pAt_: Are you from KottNet? |
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| 18:38.02 | Anubisss_ | because I did a wrong ifconfig eth1 ip etc |
| 18:38.23 | helena | Anubisss_: /etc/interfaces |
| 18:38.25 | pAt_ | no helena |
| 18:38.32 | helena | that has the eth0 stuff. |
| 18:38.51 | Anubisss_ | helena: yea I know and just eth0 here and /etc/init.d/networking restart did |
| 18:38.53 | helena | eth1 even |
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| 18:39.15 | helena | pAt_: :( |
| 18:39.21 | helena | I miss pat |
| 18:39.24 | helena | cries |
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| 18:39.37 | helena | He's my virtual boyfriend |
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| 18:39.56 | kupo | jhutchins_wk: wasn't aware of that, interesting |
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| 18:40.06 | kupo | Anubisss_: check about udev |
| 18:40.12 | helena | kupo: :( |
| 18:40.13 | kupo | /etc/udev/rules.d/ iirc |
| 18:40.20 | kupo | helena: ? |
| 18:40.36 | boudiccas | i've just upgraded to wheezy and am using gnome-classic. how do i get a lighter coloured theme/background for it please? |
| 18:40.43 | helena | kupo: Does your client have PM support? :o |
| 18:40.53 | kupo | helena: sure |
| 18:41.26 | Anubisss_ | http://paste2.org/p/2135245 so I just delete eth1? |
| 18:41.29 | Anubisss_ | from ehre |
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| 18:41.58 | lasers | boudiccas: Install Gnome Tweak Tool. Find a replacement gnome-shell theme (gnome-look deviantart etc) and put it in ~/.themes/ |
| 18:42.22 | kupo | Anubisss_: by clearing out those entries you'll have your nic's reassigned from eth0 again |
| 18:42.27 | Anubisss_ | so it's 2 ncard |
| 18:42.29 | kupo | how many nic's do you have in the machine? |
| 18:42.40 | kupo | ah |
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| 18:42.42 | Anubisss_ | don't sure, maybe 2 |
| 18:42.48 | kupo | so what would you like it to do? |
| 18:42.49 | boudiccas | lasers: thanks |
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| 18:42.59 | Anubisss_ | should be 2, different hwaddr |
| 18:43.33 | Anubisss_ | ahhh nothing now, I saw 00:15:17:9b:d1:70 in both, but it's 71 |
| 18:43.35 | Anubisss_ | in eth1 |
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| 18:44.44 | Anubisss_ | anyway my "problem" solved, so thank you :) |
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| 18:45.45 | kupo | Anubisss_: no problem |
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| 18:48.22 | Myhro | boudiccas, is there a way to not use gnome 3 on wheezy? or you just tweaked it to looks like gnome 2? |
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| 18:49.05 | boudiccas | Myhro: when i logged on, i had the option of xfce, gnome, gnome-classic, i chose gnome-classic |
| 18:49.30 | Myhro | boudiccas, dvd-install? |
| 18:49.45 | boudiccas | Myhro: upgrade from squeeze |
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| 18:50.45 | Myhro | boudiccas, but your squeeze was installed using the dvd version of the installer? Just to check if I could do that (I've installed it using the CD-1) |
| 18:51.10 | abrotman | Myhro: you'd use something other than gnome3 .. |
| 18:51.23 | kupo | themill: so now a wheezy install completed on a vm guest running on the same host that gets the weird apt messages |
| 18:51.32 | kupo | aptitude update worked fine on it |
| 18:51.46 | raptor67782 | hi, would you know how to backup a directory over SSH + UNISON on a distant machine and another port? |
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| 18:52.07 | Myhro | abrotman, yeah, but as I don't know if I'm going to use xfce/lxde, I'm looking for alternatives... gnome-classic seems a viable option |
| 18:52.10 | boudiccas | Myhro: yes, a fresh install of squeeze from the dvd, then change sources, aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade. pray, and reboot! |
| 18:52.25 | Myhro | boudiccas, the pray part is really important? |
| 18:52.26 | Myhro | :P |
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| 18:53.14 | abrotman | Myhro: mildly, i suppose .. |
| 18:53.17 | boudiccas | Myhro: yes, extrenemly important, otherwise i would have to stay with squeeze for the duration till wheezy was released as stable |
| 18:53.56 | boudiccas | and for the first time ever i saw a boot menu of kernel options, which i've never4 seen before! :) |
| 18:54.10 | abrotman | wtf kind of method is that ? |
| 18:54.38 | boudiccas | abrotman: a hodge-podge, but it worked! surpriosingly so |
| 18:54.50 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:54.56 | Myhro | boudiccas, I'm pretty happy with squeeze, but when wheezy was freezed it made me wonder about upgrading... Just waiting for the right moment |
| 18:55.24 | boudiccas | Myhro: i was the same, but decided to bite the bullet today |
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| 18:55.27 | abrotman | Myhro: if you're unlikely to want to use gnome3 (you should try it for a week IMO) .. try something like lxde or xfce |
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| 18:55.57 | Myhro | boudiccas, someday I'll try it out... :-) |
| 18:56.01 | jelly-home | Myhro: the right moment is about a month after the release! |
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| 18:56.49 | Myhro | abrotman, I've already tried it before on other distributions and didn't liked it... same for xfce. lxde is the alternative which I like most |
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| 18:57.29 | Myhro | jelly-home, what if I cant wait? :P |
| 18:57.58 | jelly-home | there's noone in the bathroom right now |
| 18:58.06 | Myhro | hehe |
| 18:58.45 | Myhro | jelly-home, will you upgrade only when the 7.0.1 is out? |
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| 18:59.23 | jelly-home | most the machines yes. |
| 18:59.29 | jelly-home | hopefully |
| 18:59.53 | Losowski | Myhro: I'm quite satisfied with Lxde on Debian as well |
| 18:59.54 | jelly-home | Myhro: I have 15 years experience, don't have to wait for .0.1 |
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| 19:01.04 | Myhro | jelly-home, i'm not that old, but wait a few weeks for a even more stable system isn't bad |
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| 19:01.24 | Myhro | i just don't have time anymore to fix little annoying problems by hand |
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| 19:02.17 | jelly-home | a careful approach with say a separate installation to upgrade to wheezy might work out for a home machine for casual use |
| 19:02.18 | Myhro | Losowski, lxde is probably going to be my next desktop environment on wheezy |
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| 19:03.19 | Myhro | yup, but I won't to that on the machine I use everyday for studying/working |
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| 19:03.56 | Losowski | Myhro: Good choice, it is already mine on Wheezy testing |
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| 19:10.58 | simon | I did something silly and added a sid-line in my /etc/apt/sources.list to obtain a package available there. I've done an apt-get update/upgrade, but trying to install transmission-gtk, I get: |
| 19:11.02 | simon | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:11.04 | simon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.44 | jelly-home | simon: congratulations! Your installation is now messed up. |
| 19:11.50 | simon | jelly-home, I thought so. :) |
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| 19:12.11 | jelly-home | simon: do you have logs of everything you've done after changing sources? |
| 19:12.23 | simon | jelly-home, I did very few things, so yeah. |
| 19:12.58 | jelly-home | pastebin'em |
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| 19:13.52 | simon | basically: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get install transmission-gtk |
| 19:14.41 | thothstriangle | how do i add line to your /etc/apt/source.list file: ??? |
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| 19:15.06 | simon | thothstriangle, do you mean to *your* sources.list? you can't add one to mine. |
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| 19:15.26 | thothstriangle | yup mine not yours |
| 19:15.40 | Myhro | simon, transmission is really easy to build/generate a deb package and will not mess up your system like installing from unstable almost did |
| 19:15.41 | thothstriangle | dam the typoes!!! |
| 19:16.04 | thothstriangle | how do i add the ine to my system?? |
| 19:16.09 | thothstriangle | line !!! |
| 19:16.13 | thothstriangle | dammit |
| 19:16.28 | Myhro | thothstriangle, have you tried to edit the file using any text editor? |
| 19:17.00 | thothstriangle | im not shure how to do it or use a text editor in a terminal im really green |
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| 19:17.32 | Myhro | try: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:17.34 | Myhro | (as root) |
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| 19:19.13 | JyZyXEL | how do i see the vendor_id and device_id for a pci-e device? |
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| 19:20.31 | streuner_ | JyZyXEL: lspci -nn wouldnt help? |
| 19:21.22 | JyZyXEL | it would! |
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| 19:31.47 | dizzylizzy | darn it, wheezy's all freezy |
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| 19:35.38 | simon | Myhro, transmission wasn't the app. sorry, smlnj (and its deps) was the only package I installed. |
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| 19:37.11 | gr8 | hi |
| 19:37.58 | gr8 | for LFS I want /usr/bin/awk to be a link to gawk. The gawk package is installed, but where is the binary? what would you recommend? |
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| 19:41.10 | jordanm | gr8: update-alternatives --set awk /usr/bin/gawk |
| 19:41.24 | nickgaw | Hi, Why does rsync ask me when I run the mirrorsync script with debmirror for making a debian DVD using the debian-cd package for a password for ftp-master.debian.org? |
| 19:41.37 | gr8 | ok thank you jordanm |
| 19:42.25 | zitter|mobile | sorry for dumb question: I've followed wiki on Xen, but I dunno how to do after creating DomU guest domain. How to use it? |
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| 19:42.44 | jordanm | nickgaw: you are probably trying to push mirror to that address |
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| 19:43.08 | jordanm | nickgaw: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 19:43.12 | nickgaw | I am trying to download from that mirror have you used the debian-cd package? |
| 19:44.42 | jordanm | nickgaw: download what? |
| 19:45.16 | nickgaw | enough of the debian mirror to make a full DVD enough to install Debian? |
| 19:45.59 | jordanm | nickgaw: like http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-DVD-1.iso ? |
| 19:46.47 | nickgaw | yes like that but I wish to make my own just to see how it is done. |
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| 19:48.46 | nickgaw | is there anything wrong with building my own DVD? |
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| 19:56.02 | justin | nickgaw: shouldn't you be using jigdo for that? |
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| 20:10.30 | hellekin | hey there. Isn't Wheezy supposed to be stable by now? Where can I see the release roadmap? |
| 20:10.59 | hellekin | I need the php5-fpm package in stable, but it's only available in wheezy these days |
| 20:11.03 | jesse_ | I have some udev rules like KERNEL=="eth*", ATTR{address}=="00:1a:64:21:b7:2a", NAME="eth1" but my network devices aren't being renamed. |
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| 20:13.07 | jesse_ | Dunno if I'm better of trying to ip list set name in a startup script and ignoring/not using udev or what. |
| 20:13.17 | jesse_ | link* |
| 20:13.46 | trashdeb | Hello. I have just installed Debian. I forgot to check "webserver". Is it possible to install the same webserver right now? |
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| 20:14.15 | jesse_ | trashdeb: tasksel |
| 20:14.16 | sney | !tell trashdeb about lamp |
| 20:14.19 | sney | or that |
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| 20:14.52 | trashdeb | jesse_ sney: Any idea what would have been installed if I had checked webserver? I would like to install that. |
| 20:14.59 | hellekin | !tell hellekin about debian release schedule |
| 20:15.15 | hellekin | hehe |
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| 20:17.08 | hellekin | oh http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 20:17.51 | trashdeb | jesse_: Using tasksel to install the webserver now. Thanks and thank you too sney for your help. |
| 20:17.56 | natasha | does IGMP snooping can work same as DHCP snooping ? or there are two total different options ? |
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| 20:20.15 | jesse_ | in answer to my own question |
| 20:20.33 | jesse_ | peristent-net rules was overwriting my own file in rules.d that was processed before. |
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| 20:21.02 | naquad | hi |
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| 20:21.12 | naquad | is there apache mod_remoteip in debian repos? |
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| 20:22.37 | jordanm | ,file remoteip.so |
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| 20:22.42 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 20:23.07 | jordanm | ,file mod_remoteip.so |
| 20:23.11 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 20:23.16 | jordanm | naquad: not in stable |
| 20:23.21 | naquad | :( |
| 20:23.32 | nickgaw | is there anything wrong with building my own DVD? |
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| 20:24.11 | jordanm | naquad: actually, it looks like thats for apache httpd 1 |
| 20:24.45 | naquad | hmmm |
| 20:24.50 | jesse_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.50 | naquad | starts to google again |
| 20:25.03 | nickgaw | so you don't think I should make my own DVD of debian for installation? |
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| 20:25.26 | jesse_ | nickgaw: as opposed to what? running from a usb drive? PXE boot? |
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| 20:30.04 | justin | natasha: two totally different things |
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| 20:34.11 | silverarrow | it looks like I shall have to install debian |
| 20:34.15 | jesse_ | bah, udev still isn't renaming the dummy interface correctly, but at least with the other two cards moved to eth1 and eth2 I can now just do the ip link set in rc.local |
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| 20:35.06 | silverarrow | if I install the simple CD of squeezy, how much trouble will I have with wireless card |
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| 20:36.44 | lasers | Use wired connection temporarily for the installation only. You might have to install non-free firmware first. |
| 20:37.08 | jesse_ | there is a netinstall cd with non-free firmware bundled... |
| 20:38.04 | jesse_ | although realistically, it's likely it'll be supported by rtl/madwifi/iwlwifi on the base cd anyhow. |
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| 20:40.13 | silverarrow | that is what I was worried about |
| 20:40.34 | silverarrow | I think I can do DVD install though |
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| 20:47.16 | silverarrow | thanks |
| 20:47.20 | silverarrow | sounds goood |
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| 20:57.17 | Gargantua | Hey guys, I have a /boot on my primary partition (where / is mounted), can I just create a new partition and mv it there? |
| 20:57.23 | Gargantua | And then mark the new partition as bootable? |
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| 20:57.52 | sney | Gargantua: you mean move /boot to a separate partition? yes. just make sure to re-run your bootloader. |
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| 20:58.18 | Gargantua | sney: IE update-grub2? |
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| 20:58.45 | sney | Gargantua: in debian it is just update-grub |
| 20:58.52 | Gargantua | Okay |
| 20:58.53 | jesse_ | don't forget fstab mods. |
| 20:59.10 | Gargantua | I need to add /boot to fstab? |
| 20:59.12 | zykotick9 | sney: update-grub2 just calls update-grub, they are the same really |
| 20:59.13 | sney | Gargantua: if you are using something other than debian, you should check their docs to make sure what I told you still applies. and yes, update your fstab... |
| 20:59.23 | Gargantua | Debian squeeze. |
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| 21:00.05 | Gargantua | Any recommended fs for /boot? Does it need to be primary or logical? |
| 21:00.38 | sney | iirc it does need to be primary. filesystem doesn't matter as long as it's something supported natively (i.e. no fuse) |
| 21:00.46 | zinx | primary vs logical doesn't actually matter |
| 21:00.54 | Gargantua | I'll go with good ol' ext3 then. |
| 21:01.06 | zinx | your bootloader has to support the filesystem |
| 21:01.23 | zykotick9 | sney: sorry, perhaps i'm wrong. i figured update-grub2 was just a link to update-grub, but they are two different (verified by md5s) /usr/sbin executables... |
| 21:01.24 | Gargantua | I think grub supports ext2, 3, and 4. |
| 21:01.28 | zinx | it does |
| 21:01.35 | justin | Gargantua: why are you making a /boot partition? |
| 21:01.53 | Gargantua | justin: it seems to be the recommended practice? |
| 21:02.00 | sney | zykotick9: weird. one of them must be a leftover from the grub-pc migration |
| 21:02.02 | Gargantua | To be honest, I've somewhat made of a mess of things. |
| 21:02.03 | justin | it hasn't been for years |
| 21:02.23 | justin | unless you are doing something weird with raid or encrypted partitions, you don't need one |
| 21:02.30 | zykotick9 | Gargantua: a separate /boot seems pointless (and infact could cause more issues) these day |
| 21:02.40 | Gargantua | I've had an NTFS partition marked as boot, I decided to reformat it as ext3. |
| 21:02.43 | Gargantua | cfdisk complained. |
| 21:02.54 | justin | needing a /boot was mostly an issue around 1999 when lilo had issues booting past the 1024th sector |
| 21:02.56 | sney | or you have some oddball hardware that can only boot from something smaller than a certain size |
| 21:03.04 | sney | e.g. most sparc32 systems |
| 21:03.09 | justin | back then people needed /boot partitions and never made them and then wondered why they couldn't boot |
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| 21:03.12 | Gargantua | I have no idea why the ntfs was marked as boot and I could boot into my debian ext3. |
| 21:03.22 | jesse_ | but guys! you could have log files in /var fill the drive and prevent booting! |
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| 21:03.35 | sney | the 'bootable' flag on partition tables doesn't have much to do with what the bootloader does |
| 21:03.36 | jesse_ | Gargantua: marking something as boot doesn't force you to boot from it, it just makes it possible. |
| 21:03.41 | zykotick9 | Gargantua: grub doesn't care about windows "bootable" flag |
| 21:03.52 | Gargantua | Oh I see, it's a windows thing. |
| 21:03.58 | Gargantua | That's great. |
| 21:04.03 | sney | msdos specifically, but yeah |
| 21:04.53 | Gargantua | So... grub was configured to boot from sda3 (my root debian partition), and the NTFS was just marked as bootable. |
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| 21:06.49 | lasers | zykotick9: /usr/sbin/update-grub2: symbolic link to `update-grub' |
| 21:06.51 | Gargantua | Does update-grub read fstab? |
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| 21:07.10 | zykotick9 | Gargantua: i don't think so. it examines the devices. |
| 21:07.14 | |Anthony| | is the info here still viable? |
| 21:07.14 | |Anthony| | http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO |
| 21:07.23 | Gargantua | How does it know where to boot from? |
| 21:08.15 | zykotick9 | Gargantua: scripts examine your hw and right it to grub.cfg (or some other filename, that you shouldn't edit (cause it'll be lost the next time update-grub is run) |
| 21:08.28 | zykotick9 | Gargantua: see /etc/default/grub for general options |
| 21:09.14 | Gargantua | Basically, I just want to re-order some partitions, and make sure grub will indeed use the /boot on sda3. |
| 21:09.32 | zykotick9 | Gargantua: /etc/grub.d/ contains stuff to get fancy (warning, typically requires manual updating after kernel updates if you go that route) |
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| 21:10.05 | zykotick9 | Gargantua: as root run "update-grub" and during the output you can see what it'll put in your menu. |
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| 21:10.14 | Gargantua | Okay |
| 21:10.18 | Gargantua | Thanks guys |
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| 21:10.59 | Gargantua | One last thing... I seem to have 1gb's lodged between two partitions I need, is it possible to use two swap partitions? |
| 21:11.12 | Gargantua | 1 gb of free space, that is. |
| 21:11.41 | jesse_ | yes, and you can assign different priorites to enforce which swap it'll prefer. |
| 21:12.04 | Gargantua | Just add it to fstab? |
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| 21:12.07 | Gargantua | That's it? |
| 21:12.49 | jesse_ | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Swap |
| 21:12.56 | jesse_ | at the bottom youll see relevant fstab lines with priorites |
| 21:13.02 | Gargantua | Thank you |
| 21:13.39 | |Anthony| | how involved is it to get multiseat up and running with debian? |
| 21:14.07 | |Anthony| | fedora has automatic multiseat out of the box (with Plugable devices) |
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| 21:14.34 | jhutchins_wk | |Anthony|: Linux is linux. |
| 21:15.12 | |Anthony| | lol jhutchins |
| 21:15.28 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: <OT> linux is NOT linux. is android "really" linux - i'd say no, cause there is no gnu tools... |
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| 21:15.51 | |Anthony| | so multiseat works out of the box with debian? |
| 21:15.53 | RichardC | hey guys |
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| 21:15.55 | |Anthony| | automagically? |
| 21:15.56 | jesse_ | I know the article you put up is outdated, as it has you modify xorg.conf. |
| 21:16.46 | jhutchins_wk | |Anthony|: How did you learn that it was plug-and-play on Fedora? |
| 21:17.07 | |Anthony| | systemd |
| 21:17.17 | |Anthony| | fedora is the testing ground |
| 21:17.44 | |Anthony| | 0pointer.de/blog/projects/multi-seat.html |
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| 21:18.20 | RichardC | I'm trying to assign a static ip address to a wireless connection that gets the rest of the info from dhcp. "iface eth0 inet dhcp" followed by the new line "address 192.168.1.149" works perfectly for a wired connection. however, "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" followed by "address 192.168.1.149" doesnt have the same effect. from the command line, how can I assign a static ip to a wireless connection using dhcp? |
| 21:18.23 | |Anthony| | it's plug and play only for the Plugable devices |
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| 21:19.06 | |Anthony| | if you're using multiple gpus its not |
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| 21:23.43 | zykotick9 | RichardC: i wouldn't try to franken-combine dhcp and static. pick one. |
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| 21:26.07 | jesse_ | RichardC: ip address command should work. |
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| 21:28.16 | zykotick9 | RichardC: can the DHCP server to set to assign specific IPs for specific MACs? (many home router's can) |
| 21:28.44 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: Yes, you probably need to run a DNS server to do this. |
| 21:29.26 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: i figure the wireless might be the "hickup" |
| 21:29.49 | RichardC | zykotick9: no, im using a crappy belkin router |
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| 21:30.02 | Gargantua | Okay, so update-grub says its found a linux image in /boot/, I should be absolutely certain when I reboot, linux will boot, right? |
| 21:30.03 | RichardC | zykotick9: with no support for dd-wrt or tomato, either |
| 21:30.04 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: My wireless devices get their DHCP from my Debian DHCP server just like my wired devices. You may have to disable DHCP on the WAP. |
| 21:30.12 | zykotick9 | RichardC: i'd "guess" any current belkin's have that support |
| 21:30.28 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: Some WAPs also segment the lan and assign a different subnet to the wireless. |
| 21:30.56 | grzeslaw | hello guys.. I use Debian 6 squeeze with the newest php5 and apache2 from lastest pkg.. I have a problem with PIWIK statistics.. I check the security with the plugin, and made the changes in php.ini: change to upload_tmp_dir path to directory /home/wwwtmp which exist, and are owned by apache user and belong to apache group.. it have 770 perms but piwik (1.8.3) said that unable to retrieve file permissions on upload_tmp_dir .. wh |
| 21:31.16 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: and that's why i figure manually assigning an ip might not be the correct step... (but i don't understand, why static can't be set up properly?) |
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| 21:31.36 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: Who says it can't? |
| 21:31.58 | RichardC | zykotick9: not this one. the computer that i'm trying to switch to a wireless connection is a web server and cant change its ip address every time the router restarts |
| 21:32.10 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: well no one. but i think you need to pick - use static (properly) or use dhcp - but both??? |
| 21:33.39 | abrotman | RichardC: so just give it a full static connectoin ? |
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| 21:34.13 | RichardC | zykotick9: i could use static for the wireless connection, i suppose. how can i get a list of the connection info that dhcp is giving my wired connection |
| 21:34.30 | RichardC | ifconfig? |
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| 21:35.20 | zykotick9 | RichardC: ifconfig probably. are you wired and wireless connections currently very similar? |
| 21:35.29 | RichardC | yes |
| 21:35.32 | jesse_ | dhcpdump could work, ifconfig would report much of the data, some may also be in resolv.conf and your routing tables |
| 21:35.56 | jesse_ | or alternaitvely, tcpdump foo could come in handy. |
| 21:36.14 | zykotick9 | RichardC: make a backup of your /etc/resolv.conf for dns info while you have full internet. |
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| 21:40.44 | zykotick9 | RichardC: running any service across wireless seems insane to me... |
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| 21:41.11 | break19 | me too |
| 21:41.49 | zykotick9 | RichardC: i just don't consider wireless "stable" enough (reliabiliy is a huge consern for me, i previously had my HTPC running wireless for a couple of months, but returned to cat5) |
| 21:41.59 | RichardC | zykotick9: no choice. router needs to be in living room and server needs to be in spare room |
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| 21:42.35 | CobaltHex | how do i install these |
| 21:42.35 | CobaltHex | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek |
| 21:43.01 | RichardC | with static, do i need to assign more than address, netmask, and gateway IPs in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:43.31 | zykotick9 | RichardC: for wireless on my htpc (cli only, basically [no DM]) i use the quasi-deprecated wicd for wireless |
| 21:43.32 | jesse_ | Richard, it does require more hardware but I've had good success with ethernet over power. |
| 21:43.40 | RichardC | ahem: address, netmask, and gateway IPs and wpa-ssid and wpa-psk |
| 21:43.41 | zykotick9 | RichardC: s/htpc/netbook/ |
| 21:44.12 | RichardC | htpc |
| 21:44.17 | RichardC | sorry |
| 21:44.18 | RichardC | server |
| 21:44.22 | zykotick9 | home theater PC |
| 21:44.28 | RichardC | its a combination, really |
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| 21:44.51 | RichardC | web server with apache, php, and mysql |
| 21:45.00 | RichardC | but it also has mediatomb for streaming to my ps3 |
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| 21:45.52 | zykotick9 | RichardC: just to clarify - i use wicd on my netbook. makes wireless manageable. i've never tried using static ip with wireless, i know you'll need a lot more options then i use for static ip. good luck. |
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| 21:46.34 | johannes__ | hi, i saw a command like this: "install skge /sbin/modprobe pciback ; /sbin/modprobe --first-time --ignore-install skge" and the howto says it needs to be added to a file, to replace a module to be loaded first, but I do not know which file this needs to be added to. /etc/modules or some file into /etc/modprobe.d ? |
| 21:47.25 | jesse_ | from http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse "Your wireless interface should not be referenced within Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file." |
| 21:47.52 | jesse_ | /etc/modules just contains module names, so it's not their. |
| 21:47.54 | jhutchins_wk | jesse_: I don't think that is correct, I believe you can configure it as a static inteface. |
| 21:47.58 | CobaltHex | so im trying to connect too |
| 21:48.02 | CobaltHex | and i dont have network drivers installed |
| 21:48.05 | CobaltHex | i have them on my computer |
| 21:48.09 | CobaltHex | in the form of a tgz |
| 21:48.12 | CobaltHex | how can i install them? |
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| 21:49.12 | johannes__ | jesse I already added it to /etc/modprobe.d/xen-pciback.conf but it doesnt seem to work (no mention in syslog or dmesg) I got the idea from over here: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/Assign_hardware_to_DomU_with_PCIBack_as_module |
| 21:49.18 | jesse_ | jhutchins_wk: maybe but from http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages//lucid/man5/interfaces.5.html it doesn't look like it has the options required (wpa passphrase, ssid, channel, etc) |
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| 21:49.57 | abrotman | jesse_: they're in a separate man page |
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| 21:50.13 | zykotick9 | jesse_: lucid (quasi-squeeze based) still doesn't seem like a good reference... i'm pretty sure it's possible to use /etc/network/interfaces for wireless somehow... |
| 21:50.21 | jesse_ | and we are sure that isn't handled by wicd or something else? |
| 21:50.47 | jesse_ | man interfaces from debian shows the same. |
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| 21:51.57 | jesse_ | http://man.he.net/man5/interfaces for the debian man page |
| 21:52.33 | jesse_ | maybe hack it to use iwconfig via a pre-up in interfaces |
| 21:52.44 | jesse_ | still pretty ugly. |
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| 21:55.01 | jhutchins_wk | jesse_: Yeah, interfaces can do regular wep, but wpa dosn't require a network manager. |
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| 21:55.24 | abrotman | interfaces can do wep and wpa |
| 21:55.34 | zykotick9 | on squeeze, "man interfaces" returns sever wireless matches, including "(See wireless(7) for details." yet i have no wireless man page? anyone with the path of least resistance (number of packages) it would take to get? |
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| 21:55.39 | jhutchins_wk | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line says yes. |
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| 21:55.55 | jordanm | ,file wireless.7.gz |
| 21:55.58 | judd | Search for wireless.7.gz in squeeze/i386: wireless-tools: usr/share/man/cs/man7/wireless.7.gz, usr/share/man/fr.ISO8859-1/man7/wireless.7.gz, usr/share/man/fr.UTF-8/man7/wireless.7.gz, usr/share/man/man7/wireless.7.gz |
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| 21:56.15 | zykotick9 | jordanm: thanks |
| 21:56.37 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, I think I see the confusion - if you are using network manager do not put configuration in interfaces. |
| 21:56.45 | abrotman | you can .. |
| 21:56.45 | jhutchins_wk | (or wicd) |
| 21:57.01 | jhutchins_wk | By the way, network manager works better for more people than wicd as of squeeze. |
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| 21:57.36 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: BUT N-M requires! a DM to work with wireless! |
| 21:57.42 | abrotman | no, it doesn't |
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| 21:58.07 | zykotick9 | abrotman: i'm not a betting man, but i'd almost take a wager on that ;) |
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| 21:58.34 | abrotman | zykotick9: so would i |
| 21:58.47 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: no, there is a console interface for NM as well. |
| 21:58.48 | zykotick9 | abrotman: N-M can connect to wired but because of password, needs to store them somewhere and that requires a DM (GDM/KDM/etc) |
| 21:59.06 | abrotman | so much bad information |
| 21:59.11 | jesse_ | http://v52-28.vs1.regfish.de/cgi-bin/dwww//usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
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| 21:59.14 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: False. |
| 21:59.27 | zykotick9 | abrotman: try it. it's a debian bug |
| 21:59.38 | jesse_ | you can do anything iwconfig can do, and it actually does mostly what I said, mimics a pre-up with the iwconfig commands. |
| 21:59.42 | zykotick9 | i should say "a bug in debian" |
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| 22:00.09 | jesse_ | wireless-<function> <value> Before the interface is brought up, such a statement will result in the execution of the following command: iwconfig <interface> <function> <value> |
| 22:00.11 | abrotman | zykotick9: in wheezy? |
| 22:00.19 | jhutchins_wk | zykotick9: You are wrong, there is a console front-end for NM, no X required. |
| 22:00.19 | abrotman | oh, in squeeze |
| 22:00.20 | zykotick9 | abrotman: squeeze |
| 22:00.28 | abrotman | ugh, i only have one squeeze box left |
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| 22:01.05 | zykotick9 | jhutchins_wk: it doesn't work for wireless. it works for wired just fine, but you get this weird-ass error when everything "should" work. if you install a dm, works fine. |
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| 22:02.53 | reactormonk | how do I change the time zone of my machine? |
| 22:03.01 | abrotman | !tell reactormonk about set the time |
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| 22:05.26 | jesse_ | quitting time! |
| 22:05.28 | reactormonk | abrotman: hmm, dpkg-reconfigure doesn't exist anymore |
| 22:05.30 | jesse_ | night all |
| 22:05.44 | reactormonk | from timezone |
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| 22:05.47 | jordanm | reactormonk: yes, it does |
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| 22:06.22 | reactormonk | meh, sbin not in PATH... |
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| 22:06.39 | abrotman | because a) you're not using ubuntu b) you're not root |
| 22:07.04 | reactormonk | abrotman: it's a debian, this is a debian channel? |
| 22:07.24 | abrotman | reactormonk: i'm saying Debian doesn't put /sbin or /usr/sbin in a normal user's path |
| 22:07.36 | abrotman | which is the way it should be IMO |
| 22:07.42 | reactormonk | why so? |
| 22:07.45 | jordanm | there was a recent -devel discussion about that |
| 22:07.55 | jordanm | check the archives |
| 22:08.07 | reactormonk | which keywords to use? |
| 22:08.08 | abrotman | it's still my opinion :) |
| 22:08.16 | abrotman | reactormonk: lists.debian.org/debian-devel |
| 22:08.49 | jordanm | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/08/msg00130.html |
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| 22:09.07 | jordanm | ok, the discussion is still going and now 100 emails long. traditional debian discussion... |
| 22:09.24 | reactormonk | flamewaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar |
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| 22:15.07 | gmaiarodrigo | can someone help me. The problem is this: I have a server with two network cards eth0 and eth1. The network adapter eth0 has an ip address for external access reserved by the service provider 200.XXX.XXX.155 and eth1 is configured with a fixed ip 172.10.30.2 site used as a DHCP server and connected to a switch. All traffic must necessarily go through eth1 which is masked and directed to eth0... |
| 22:15.09 | gmaiarodrigo | ...which in turn receives the external traffic and forwards it to the internal network. This is the layout here. My problem is when I try to assign an ip to an internal network computer to track ip provided by service provider, this computer is without internet access. I believe that the DHCP server is blocking external access via another address that is not on your specific track. I wonder... |
| 22:15.10 | gmaiarodrigo | ...if there is some setting I can do for this type of assignment is allowed and that computers on the internal network can be assigned other external ip addresses. |
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| 22:15.23 | tharkun | abrotman: where is the $PATH variable defined? |
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| 22:16.57 | abrotman | tharkun: per user or system-wide? |
| 22:17.07 | tharkun | abrotman: both |
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| 22:17.40 | abrotman | tharkun: /etc/profile .. a user can change it in their $HOME if they prefer a different $PATH |
| 22:19.50 | LtL | tharkun: I like to use ~/.bashrc |
| 22:20.11 | tharkun | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:20.23 | tharkun | LtL: It is I suspected a shell thingy :) |
| 22:20.42 | LtL | tharkun: it is yes |
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| 22:22.06 | jordanm | LtL: .bashrc only applies to *interactive* bash sessions |
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| 22:22.45 | LtL | jordanm: I know, thanks :) |
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| 22:23.09 | CobaltHex | how the hell do i connect to a wireless network? |
| 22:23.16 | CobaltHex | got drivers installed |
| 22:23.22 | CobaltHex | cant connect anywhere |
| 22:23.42 | nkuttler | CobaltHex: i use network manager |
| 22:23.54 | ljack | CobaltHex: I had the same problem, you need to install network manager somehow. |
| 22:24.02 | CobaltHex | lovely |
| 22:24.06 | abrotman | you don't have to .. |
| 22:24.17 | ljack | I'm guessing that you didn't connect to a network on the setup. |
| 22:24.20 | nkuttler | you don't have to, but it makes things a little easier |
| 22:25.28 | CobaltHex | well how do i connect otherwise? |
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| 22:25.40 | ljack | Through some hard Terminal commands. |
| 22:25.51 | CobaltHex | such as? |
| 22:25.53 | jordanm | CobaltHex: iwconfig for WEP/no encryption. wpa_cli for wpa |
| 22:25.54 | ljack | I'd recommend just installing the network manager. |
| 22:25.55 | nkuttler | iwconfig and whatever you need that supports the encryption |
| 22:26.12 | jordanm | CobaltHex: iwconfig is pretty simple, but wpa_cli starts to get complicated |
| 22:26.36 | CobaltHex | iwconfig says i have no wireless extensions |
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| 22:28.55 | CobaltHex | screw this |
| 22:29.01 | CobaltHex | ive spent 2 hours trying to do this |
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| 22:31.17 | nkuttler | CobaltHex: sounds like you don't have the right driver/firmware |
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| 22:31.33 | CobaltHex | i have a realtek |
| 22:31.38 | CobaltHex | and i just installed all of hteir drivers |
| 22:31.46 | ljack | CobaltHex: Debian seems to hate most drivers and firmware... so bad I can't even use it. |
| 22:31.55 | nkuttler | CobaltHex: install firmware-realtek |
| 22:32.14 | abrotman | ljack: so you're here why? |
| 22:32.15 | nkuttler | ljack: nonsense |
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| 22:32.21 | elazar_13 | I have a fresh install (stable). Just installed angband but when I launch it I get this error "Gtk-WARNING: **: cannot open display: |
| 22:32.35 | abrotman | elazar_13: don't run it as root |
| 22:32.45 | elazar_13 | im not root |
| 22:32.46 | ljack | abrotman: Because it's a good channel for Linux and everyone knows what they're doing. |
| 22:32.57 | CobaltHex | yeah im switching from debian |
| 22:32.58 | nkuttler | elazar_13: or start x, or don't try to launch it from a screen session you started earlier |
| 22:32.59 | abrotman | elazar_13: "whoami" ? |
| 22:33.12 | Big_Brother | how would I make a command recur every 90 seconds without cron? |
| 22:33.15 | nkuttler | elazar_13: or see if there's some -nox option, angband can run in a term, right? |
| 22:33.18 | elazar_13 | i dont have x just base system |
| 22:33.21 | abrotman | elazar_13: that generally happens when you try to run an app as a user other than the user that started X |
| 22:33.23 | nkuttler | Big_Brother: watch |
| 22:33.26 | ljack | nkuttler: No really, no graphics drivers, no wireless drivers, it's all so bad... |
| 22:33.36 | nkuttler | ljack: i have all of them |
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| 22:33.46 | abrotman | Big_Brother: have a cron job run every other minute, sleep 30 seconds |
| 22:34.00 | nkuttler | ljack: so if you have a problem ask about it, don't spread misinformation |
| 22:34.18 | ljack | CobaltHex: If you want an OS like Debian, switch to CentOS it's quite similar. |
| 22:34.27 | ljack | nkuttler: My problems can't be fixed. |
| 22:34.27 | abrotman | ljack: please go troll somewhere else |
| 22:34.46 | ljack | I'm not trolling, this is a good channel for Linux suppot. |
| 22:34.55 | abrotman | ljack: you are |
| 22:35.15 | ljack | *support | It's just that Debain doesn't support my drivers and firmware making it unusable for me. |
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| 22:35.19 | abrotman | ljack: if you're here to learn, that doesn't require speaking .. be quiet |
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| 22:35.25 | abrotman | or that |
| 22:35.28 | themill | ljack: that's enough. again. take a break |
| 22:35.49 | WinstonSmith | CobaltHex: as you're obviously very new to linux, you may should have started with ubuntu as it does not have all those firmware problems |
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| 22:36.36 | CobaltHex | im not new to linux |
| 22:36.45 | CobaltHex | but i have a new computer that doesnt have standard network drivers |
| 22:36.54 | abrotman | CobaltHex: have you checked dmesg to see if there are messages about your devices? |
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| 22:37.05 | abrotman | CobaltHex: are you installing this on a Cobalt machine ? (please say no!!) |
| 22:37.05 | CobaltHex | also id use ubuntu but they have that retarded new unity ui |
| 22:37.18 | CobaltHex | on a malibal |
| 22:37.41 | abrotman | so you've looked through dmesg? |
| 22:37.45 | CobaltHex | i mean i know how to use linux day to day |
| 22:37.49 | WinstonSmith | CobaltHex: i am basing that judgement on our previous conversation in ##linux and you did not know how to use cp or man. that in my book is fairly new to linux. mind, that is not bad at all, it's nice that new people come to linux! |
| 22:37.52 | CobaltHex | but ive not done much troubleshooting with it |
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| 22:38.06 | CobaltHex | i know how to use man |
| 22:38.06 | CobaltHex | and cp |
| 22:38.06 | CobaltHex | i jsut dont know all of the flags |
| 22:38.06 | CobaltHex | i dont use it regularly |
| 22:38.07 | abrotman | so you've looked through dmesg? |
| 22:38.09 | CobaltHex | so didnt think to use recusrive |
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| 22:38.11 | CobaltHex | hold on ab |
| 22:38.20 | abrotman | and lay off the enter key |
| 22:39.46 | WinstonSmith | CobaltHex: and on ubuntu (as on most linux distros) you can choose whatever GUI/DE you like |
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| 22:39.51 | CobaltHex | yes i realize |
| 22:39.59 | abrotman | WinstonSmith: if he wanted to use Ubuntu, he'd be in #ubuntu already .. |
| 22:40.23 | CobaltHex | ive used debian before |
| 22:40.25 | CobaltHex | didnt have any issues |
| 22:40.28 | CobaltHex | so it seemed simpler |
| 22:40.30 | CobaltHex | obviously not |
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| 22:41.08 | abrotman | CobaltHex: STOP HITTING THE ENTER KEY EVERY FOURTH WORD |
| 22:41.09 | WinstonSmith | abrotman: not trying to preach here, was just my 5 cents. |
| 22:41.23 | CobaltHex | lol |
| 22:41.32 | abrotman | WinstonSmith: he'll figure out which he wants to use eventually .. he's welcome to try Debian as long as he's eager to learn |
| 22:41.34 | CobaltHex | just giving you something to fill up your screen |
| 22:42.02 | WinstonSmith | abrotman: oh yes of course |
| 22:42.14 | themill | CobaltHex: you said you'd "installed the drivers" earlier. What exactly have you done? |
| 22:42.29 | CobaltHex | well first, manually copied a firmware package to lib/firmware |
| 22:42.37 | CobaltHex | then |
| 22:42.42 | CobaltHex | installed a deb package |
| 22:43.50 | themill | which firmware? copied what exactly? installed what deb package? |
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| 22:45.11 | Phr33d0m | hi guys, I'm having the following issue https://gist.github.com/3420040 when trying to install packages through "apt-get install <package>", I've been googling for a while and all 'fixes' are to export the missing env vars - this doesn't work for me (maybe because I'm in a chroot?) - another solution is to install locales-all but I can't use apt-get to install it - any ideas? |
| 22:45.14 | [olli] | re ppl.. |
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| 22:45.48 | [olli] | How can I view dependencies of a package? dpkg --help | grep depend doesn't help. :( |
| 22:46.01 | Phr33d0m | well I should clearify that debian is in a chroot |
| 22:46.14 | Big_Brother | nkuttler: nice... but is there a way to show the contents stacking? I'm using this for 'twidge lsrecent' and I would like to see 5 watch uses in the one window. |
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| 22:46.52 | themill | Phr33d0m: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" should let you select the locales you need |
| 22:46.55 | LtL | [olli]: aptitude show packagename should show depends and conflicts. |
| 22:47.36 | [olli] | LtL, thaNK you. |
| 22:47.51 | LtL | [olli]: welcome |
| 22:48.07 | Phr33d0m | themill I get exactly the same error as above and just below: "Package locales is not installed..." |
| 22:48.26 | themill | Phr33d0m: how did you make this chrot? |
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| 22:50.31 | Phr33d0m | themill I used debootstrap to get the squeeze and after that I just mounted a couple of things on it http://dpaste.org/GF50g/raw/ |
| 22:51.24 | CobaltHex | anyway thanks for the help, abeit still not working |
| 22:51.25 | themill | Phr33d0m: do you have the debconf package installed inside that chroot? You should be able to download the locales package and install it with dpkg -i |
| 22:51.28 | CobaltHex | i have to go |
| 22:51.30 | Phr33d0m | themill also, running 'locale' I get this http://dpaste.org/wCWNN/raw/ |
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| 22:51.52 | Phr33d0m | themill yes I do have debconf, thanks I'll try it that way |
| 22:53.12 | nvz | Big_Brother: tmux allows you to run multiple consoles with tiling |
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| 22:56.32 | Vibe | hmmm http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso seems to have bug still when installing grub, squeeze 6.0.4 |
| 22:57.57 | Vibe | so no debian to my pc.. |
| 22:58.35 | abrotman | did you try the wheezy netinst ? |
| 22:59.14 | Vibe | I need squeeze cos of proxmox |
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| 22:59.58 | djzn | hey folks, XFCE default in Wheezy or GNOME Shell |
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| 23:00.41 | abrotman | djzn: you choose |
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| 23:00.46 | abrotman | Vibe: i'm not sure what that means ? |
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| 23:00.51 | mmnicolas | proxmox's website uses the default joomla favicon, just sayin ;) |
| 23:00.54 | djzn | abrotman: i said 'default' |
| 23:01.07 | djzn | that implies on a choice renounce |
| 23:01.11 | abrotman | djzn: there's no question mark |
| 23:01.56 | abrotman | djzn: smarter people don't use that "Desktop" task, and instead install what they want later |
| 23:02.01 | Vibe | mmnicolas: hehe :p |
| 23:02.20 | djzn | abrotman: what do you use |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | I like gnome3 |
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| 23:04.57 | Vibe | having this bug -> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=81903 |
| 23:05.25 | Vibe | with custom image that is using 3.2 kernel that I need |
| 23:07.06 | mmnicolas | Vibe: this post is solved, the guy used a too small separate /boot partition |
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| 23:07.43 | Vibe | oh I had 102M on /boot and after that just / partition and swap |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | doesn't understand what proxmox has to do with being forced to use squeeze? |
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| 23:09.00 | Vibe | abrotman: not sure if it works on wheezy |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | thought proxmox was its own OS |
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| 23:10.23 | benedikt | I'm installing wheezy on a laptop with a intel 945 gpu. i have to pass "i915.nomodeset = 0" to boot (else the screen turns blank) but the i915 driver refuses to start with X (with the error "Unknown paramter 'nomodeset'" in dmesg) |
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| 23:12.30 | mmnicolas | benedikt: the driver is right, it's i915.modeset |
| 23:12.52 | LtL | benedikt: try just plain `nomodeset` appended, no backticks go from there. |
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| 23:15.37 | benedikt | mmnicolas: so i should boot with "i915.modeset = 0" instead? |
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| 23:16.11 | benedikt | LtL: i have tried, that worked until i installed the intel driver, then i had to change to i915. |
| 23:17.00 | jhutchins_wk | benedikt: Unfortunately those parameters aren't well standardized, they change from module to module and release to release. |
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| 23:19.21 | abrotman | benedikt: had to install what? |
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| 23:20.48 | Aginor | Hi! What's the best way to automatically install security updates? I've read some conflicting advice on it and the securing-debian-howto doesn't talk about it at all. |
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| 23:21.14 | abrotman | Aginor: cron-apt/unattended-upgrades/apticron |
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| 23:23.30 | Aginor | abramart, thank you |
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| 23:23.37 | jhutchins_wk | Aginor: Automatic updates are not considered secure. |
| 23:23.47 | bkc_ | Aginor: automagical installation of just the sec-updates on a desktop makes no sense. and on a server it is a really bad idea... what would happen to your webserver if it wants to upgrade apache... |
| 23:24.35 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: i wouldn't say they're insecure, they're a bad idea because they may have side effects |
| 23:24.48 | Aginor | jhutchins_wk, because I might not restart the daemons or reboot to get the new kernel? |
| 23:24.54 | benedikt | abrotman: xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 23:25.10 | bkc_ | upgrades should be installed manually under controlled circumstances when no-one is using the computer/server for stuff that matters... |
| 23:25.50 | bkc_ | Aginor: some packages restarts themself as a post-install script... |
| 23:26.24 | abrotman | benedikt: that doesn't make sense .. |
| 23:26.24 | Aginor | bkc_, so we're only worried about the outage then? |
| 23:26.25 | jhutchins_wk | Aginor: Because it's considered a bad practice not to monitor the upgrades. |
| 23:26.34 | abrotman | benedikt: you're saying you installed a random package from the internets? |
| 23:26.45 | bkc_ | most server-software-packages does that (apache, mysql for example...) with the exection of openssh-server... |
| 23:26.52 | abrotman | bkc_: what crazy world do you live in where no one uses a system ? |
| 23:26.59 | bkc_ | Aginor: heard of an UPS ? :) |
| 23:27.03 | jhutchins_wk | Aginor: Most daemons will restart during an upgrade, but you want to catch anything that fails. |
| 23:27.21 | bkc_ | that too... |
| 23:27.24 | Aginor | jhutchins_wk, yes, but it's my personal server. If I go away for a week I'd rather not have the machine pwnd. An outage is preferable to that. |
| 23:27.32 | abrotman | Aginor: turn it off? |
| 23:27.33 | benedikt | abrotman: no. im saying that before i installed the xorg package, i had to pass "nomodeset" opposed to "i915.modeset" now |
| 23:27.41 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 23:27.44 | bkc_ | sure... "there are logs"... but you want to catch them when it happens.. |
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| 23:27.55 | jhutchins_wk | Aginor: We don't really see many zero-day vulnerabilities. A well hardened server isn't going to be hacked. |
| 23:27.59 | benedikt | unfortunately, what mmnicolas suggested di dnot work. |
| 23:28.50 | abrotman | benedikt: the 'nomodeset' ? |
| 23:28.54 | abrotman | !tell benedikt about kms |
| 23:28.59 | jhutchins_wk | Aginor: You're more likely to be vulnerable if something important hangs on upgrade and leaves your system in an unstable state. |
| 23:29.00 | abrotman | benedikt: lspci -nn .. what is your video card? |
| 23:29.02 | mns | anyone know how to delete contacts if you're using finch (console interface to pidgin) ? |
| 23:29.13 | benedikt | abrotman: intel 945 |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | mns: i'd probably ask #pidgin |
| 23:29.20 | benedikt | abrotman: and i know about kms :) |
| 23:29.42 | bkc_ | Aginor: take it from someone who works with servers daily... don't auto-update packages... |
| 23:29.45 | mns | abrotman: I did, seems like a ghost town in there lol |
| 23:30.13 | jhutchins_wk | Most serious operations don't install upgrades as soon as they're released anyway. Best practice is to test them for at least 24 hours on a staging system. |
| 23:30.23 | benedikt | bkc_: the channel is probably named after libpurple or purple |
| 23:30.36 | benedikt | pidgin is just a frontend to libpurple |
| 23:30.49 | jhutchins_wk | Very, very rarely there will be an urgent "install immediately" update - I think I may have seen three in more than ten years. |
| 23:31.00 | bkc_ | benedikt: ? |
| 23:31.29 | mns | benedikt: thee channel is called pidgin. I'll see if there is a libpurple/purple channel as well, but I doubt it. |
| 23:31.59 | benedikt | bkc_: wrong highlight, sorry. |
| 23:32.07 | bkc_ | nvm :) |
| 23:32.14 | bkc_ | dmi* |
| 23:32.17 | Aginor | very well, you have talked me into only making the system mail me when there's new updates |
| 23:32.49 | mns | benedikt: nope, no such rooms. just pidgin :) |
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| 23:33.57 | jhutchins_wk | Aginor: What's important is to monitor the security announce list, then have remote access if you're away. |
| 23:34.42 | abrotman | in your ideal world |
| 23:34.49 | LtL | benedikt: this *may* help, refer to the i915 driver section. beware the article is dated. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
| 23:35.02 | Aginor | jhutchins_wk, all sorted already :) I was hoping that things would have progressed since 2002 when I was last running debian on a server |
| 23:35.05 | abrotman | Aginor: honestly, if you have a good backup, feel free to update as you wish .. just remember that doing those updates may cause issues .. |
| 23:35.22 | abrotman | Aginor: cron-apt and apticron can install only security updates, which generally don't break things |
| 23:35.23 | jhutchins_wk | Aginor: Rather than have the system email you, subscribe to the announcement lists. |
| 23:35.35 | Aginor | I do both |
| 23:35.40 | abrotman | Aginor: cron-apt can even email you when there are updates to be installed |
| 23:36.12 | Aginor | abrotman, daily snapshots, my plan was to do a roll back if I somehow break things so much that I can't fix it myself |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | Aginor: there you go .. |
| 23:37.02 | abrotman | Aginor: considering many people blindly install updates from stable/testing/unstable .. i don't see why you couldn't install just security updates magically |
| 23:37.14 | abrotman | Aginor: as long as you're aware of what may happen |
| 23:38.56 | Aginor | I'm well aware of the risks, and I am willing to gamble that breakages will be far enough between if I just do security updates that the time unbreaking the system will be less than the time to do it manually |
| 23:39.14 | abrotman | Aginor: there you go .. as long as you wo'nt cry if it implodes .. go for it |
| 23:39.55 | jhutchins_wk | Blindly installing updates without reading the errata is essentially turning over responsibility for the security of your machine to unknown third parties. |
| 23:40.24 | themill | jhutchins_wk: you already did that when you installed debian |
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| 23:41.34 | Aginor | jhutchins_wk, I'm already trusting the debian security team. unless I manually vet every patch or upgrade it will be the same effect. |
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| 23:41.35 | iToast | hey |
| 23:41.42 | iToast | what do I tpye to get gnumake... |
| 23:41.46 | iToast | >_< |
| 23:41.50 | iToast | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=make |
| 23:41.54 | abrotman | iToast: aptitude intsall build-essentials |
| 23:42.08 | iToast | ty |
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| 23:42.14 | iToast | Default make is failing |
| 23:42.21 | jhutchins_wk | themill: No, I assessed Debian and it's security practices very carefully before I installed it, and I reviewed the configuration carefully after I did, making my own modifications. |
| 23:42.22 | iToast | and anope guides say if this happens, use gnumake to build |
| 23:42.27 | heoa | ChrisH: Does it make sense to set umask g+w for all things under workspaces? |
| 23:42.28 | themill | iToast: default make is GNU make |
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| 23:42.35 | iToast | ;s |
| 23:42.45 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: for every single package? you've read every changelog since you've started using debian ? |
| 23:43.22 | heoa | (wondering point 18:16, I am repeating this mistake...so trying to think this deeper) |
| 23:43.35 | iToast | themill, no? :S |
| 23:43.37 | Aginor | iToast, debian only uses gnumake |
| 23:43.39 | iToast | I cant gmake.. |
| 23:43.40 | themill | jhutchins_wk: you seriously look over a source and binary package diff before installing every update? and look over every single maintainer script? |
| 23:43.58 | iToast | http://wiki.anope.org/index.php/START_HERE!#Unix.2FLinux |
| 23:43.59 | iToast | Fail |
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| 23:45.01 | iToast | I cant build Anope |
| 23:45.10 | iToast | and I am afraid to use atheme considering all the fails on Freenode |
| 23:45.14 | Aginor | iToast, "make clean && make &> output" put the output in a pasting service somewhere and you might get a better answer. |
| 23:45.27 | jhutchins_wk | Now we're just getting silly for the sake of arguing. There are some good resources for sound security practices, some of them created and published by the agency I work for. |
| 23:45.33 | themill | iToast: real output in a pastebin is going to get you further than tying random commands |
| 23:46.05 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: you're the one that said it, not us |
| 23:46.26 | themill | jhutchins_wk: I think it got silly earlier when it was claimed that installing security updates blindly was a problem (when all you're going to do is hit "y" anyway) |
| 23:46.34 | Aginor | jhutchins_wk, but the point still stands that if you are using a distribution, you are trusting the maintainers, packagers and the build system |
| 23:46.37 | abrotman | you stated that blindly installing updates is a horrible idea .. but it sounds like you do the exact same |
| 23:46.59 | iToast | http://pastebin.com/y2NhVk0V |
| 23:47.12 | iToast | ty Aginor themill :) http://pastebin.com/y2NhVk0V |
| 23:47.17 | Aginor | I'd like to point out that my original question was only about security updates, not generic updates :) |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | Aginor: i know, i feel like your question was addressed .. |
| 23:47.33 | themill | iToast: the error isn't exactly obvious in that output... |
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| 23:47.45 | iToast | themill, thatrs the reason im asking for help |
| 23:47.57 | iToast | gry doesnt seem to know either :L |
| 23:48.01 | Aginor | abrotman, I do, which I am grateful for |
| 23:48.19 | abrotman | Aginor: good luck, enjoy your time away :) |
| 23:48.20 | hoarycripple | sid has breathed new life into my thinkpad t42...thank you debian! |
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| 23:48.40 | iToast | wait |
| 23:48.41 | iToast | 1 sec |
| 23:48.45 | iToast | letme chmod +x |
| 23:48.47 | themill | iToast: ahh... Finally found an error there. That makefile is very poorly written. |
| 23:48.50 | iToast | lol |
| 23:48.57 | iToast | themill, how bad |
| 23:49.04 | Aginor | abrotman, thank you. Alas, my time away is not going to happen for a while longer, but I want things set up early enough that I have time to evaluate them. |
| 23:49.16 | abrotman | good plan |
| 23:49.19 | iToast | themill i changed all the perms |
| 23:49.23 | iToast | so anyone can execute them |
| 23:49.37 | themill | iToast: its error handling is crap. It claims to have succeeded when it failed. |
| 23:49.46 | Aginor | abrotman, testing usually is :) |
| 23:49.48 | iToast | themill, what error handeling? |
| 23:49.50 | iToast | lol |
| 23:49.55 | iToast | its expected to work no matter what |
| 23:50.02 | iToast | fixed it |
| 23:50.05 | iToast | anope is compiling slowly |
| 23:50.11 | iToast | permissions errors e.e |
| 23:50.12 | themill | iToast: if that's the quality of error handling in the Makefile (where good error handling is easy) I wouldn't want to touch the software |
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| 23:50.36 | iToast | themill, And atheme is any better? |
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| 23:50.44 | iToast | Freenode keeps having nickserv chanserv and memosev quiting... |
| 23:50.54 | iToast | + all the netsplits on its IRCD... |
| 23:51.07 | iToast | I have more trust in anope then atheme right now. |
| 23:51.08 | themill | iToast: and the relevance of that to your problem is ____. |
| 23:51.24 | iToast | themill you said oyu'd not trust it :p |
| 23:52.14 | themill | I wouldn't. Just because atheme isn't working on this rather large network doesn't mean that whatever this thing is you're playing with is better |
| 23:52.23 | iToast | there website isnt even online |
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| 23:52.43 | iToast | I'd rather stick to anope, the problem was file permissions |
| 23:52.55 | iToast | It compiled but coulnd't finish setting up before :| |
| 23:53.09 | iToast | Yea, compiled without error :o |
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| 23:58.03 | iToast | just curious as debian has packages for both |
| 23:58.12 | iToast | what is more secure, bycrypt of whirlpool? |
| 23:58.24 | iToast | In terms of making it impossible to brute force evne using clusters of computers |