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| 00:00.02 | iToast | I know the flaw with crypters are that you can just go throuygh dictonary and check against it |
| 00:00.10 | iToast | Basically rainbow tables |
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| 00:01.32 | peterrooney | iToast: not a serious flaw, as we have since discovered salting. |
| 00:01.46 | iToast | even with salts rainbow tables can still work :( |
| 00:01.58 | iToast | Well its a matter of the salt you use |
| 00:02.15 | iToast | But what's more secure? bycrypt or whirlpool |
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| 00:05.22 | mns | iToast: what packages are there for both ? apt-cache search bycrypt doesn't return anything |
| 00:05.33 | iToast | O.o |
| 00:05.40 | iToast | Ok I swear i saw it spomwere a while ago |
| 00:05.45 | iToast | oh well :( |
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| 00:07.35 | lcc | what is the debian kfreebsd channel? |
| 00:07.50 | iToast | lcc, whats kfreebsd? |
| 00:08.06 | lcc | http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/#availablehw |
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| 00:08.57 | mns | iToast: kfreebsd = debian with a freebsd kernel rather then a linux kernel |
| 00:09.07 | iToast | why O.o |
| 00:09.25 | iToast | wait |
| 00:09.35 | iToast | So Freebsd kernel to port freebsd apps to debian? |
| 00:09.46 | themill | !kfreebsd |
| 00:09.46 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 were released as a "technology preview" for Squeeze, ask me about <install guide>. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:10.09 | lcc | thanks |
| 00:10.23 | iToast | So its basically just for porting software between the two? |
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| 00:10.40 | marcus_ | hello |
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| 00:10.59 | iToast | Welcome to #Debian marcus_ |
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| 00:11.00 | marcus_ | any one got working fglrx against 3.5 kernel / |
| 00:11.11 | marcus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:11.23 | gry | ? |
| 00:11.36 | iToast | gry |
| 00:11.37 | iToast | :D |
| 00:11.39 | marcus_ | i got 3.5 kernel |
| 00:11.44 | iToast | I got anope compiled on debian |
| 00:11.48 | marcus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.48 | iToast | I also got inspircd |
| 00:11.59 | iToast | themill helped out |
| 00:12.00 | iToast | :) |
| 00:12.05 | iToast | and another guy whats his face. |
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| 00:12.20 | marcus_ | and i dont got debian but ubuntu sadly lubudubu chanel is joke and this ppl got no idea what i spea aboute |
| 00:12.23 | marcus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.38 | marcus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.51 | marcus_ | make debs no errors here |
| 00:12.58 | marcus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.59 | themill | marcus_: ubuntu support belongs in #ubuntu, thanks. |
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| 00:13.13 | marcus_ | common its not ubuntu problem |
| 00:13.22 | themill | it's not a debian problem,.... |
| 00:13.29 | marcus_ | lol |
| 00:13.41 | marcus_ | srsly?? can i run on u sabayon user mode mate? |
| 00:13.49 | marcus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:14.13 | marcus_ | and like i say its not ubuntu problem its fgrlx vs kernel 3.5 problem |
| 00:14.27 | themill | marcus_: if it were debian it would be called debian. Please ask in the appropriate channel or try factoring the availability of support into your choice of distro. |
| 00:14.44 | marcus_ | hmm oki im runing debian sid |
| 00:14.47 | marcus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.49 | marcus_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:15.05 | abrotman | marcus_: please use the appropriate channel for your distro, this isn't it |
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| 00:15.55 | meLon | Is 'GRUB_GFXMODE' in /etc/default/grub still the way one would set their server tty/console resolution? |
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| 00:19.49 | iToast | abrotman, can you -q marcus_ |
| 00:19.56 | iToast | I was talking t o him |
| 00:19.59 | iToast | He's running SID |
| 00:20.33 | iToast | nvm |
| 00:20.34 | iToast | <marcus_> I DONT WANT OPEN SOURCE |
| 00:21.23 | abrotman | iToast: no, he's not, ignore him |
| 00:21.50 | iToast | I'm about to |
| 00:21.55 | iToast | he's nbot taking suggestions |
| 00:22.02 | iToast | he doenst wana use opensouirce ATI drivers |
| 00:22.06 | iToast | isnt speaking propper english... |
| 00:22.15 | abrotman | iToast: then ignore him, i'm not going to remove the ban |
| 00:22.24 | iToast | you only did a +q... |
| 00:22.31 | iToast | and please dont remove it. |
| 00:22.39 | iToast | Please +b him :) |
| 00:22.42 | abrotman | iToast: please stop this discusssion |
| 00:22.44 | iToast | ok |
| 00:23.11 | iToast | <marcus_> pff next time when u paste what i say at last show aboute what i say i dotn want open source u cock sucking idiot |
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| 00:23.16 | abrotman | iToast: STOP |
| 00:23.35 | iToast | abrotman, sorry wrong channel |
| 00:23.36 | iToast | >_< |
| 00:23.43 | abrotman | it's not appropriate anywhere |
| 00:23.56 | iToast | I'm going to #freenode to inform them as i've told him to stop messagin me |
| 00:24.01 | Cory | Can I reset the root password on a live version of Debian? |
| 00:24.08 | iToast | Cory, Yes! |
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| 00:24.21 | iToast | when logged in as root, do passwd |
| 00:24.22 | abrotman | !tell Cory about ifrp |
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| 00:24.41 | Cory | I forgot the password. |
| 00:24.56 | Cory | (Really I think it was changed somehow >_>) |
| 00:25.01 | vadi2 | Is there a channel to help with debian packaging, or is this it? |
| 00:25.02 | abrotman | Cory: see what the bot told you |
| 00:25.08 | themill | dpkg: tell vadi2 about mentors |
| 00:25.17 | Cory | Does the live version use GRUB? |
| 00:25.35 | abrotman | you don't need a CD to reset your password |
| 00:25.35 | Cory | I'm booting live from USB. |
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| 00:26.48 | vadi2 | I don't really need a mentor, and #debian-mentors doesn't seem to work. I'd like some questions on debuild, I'm having difficulty with it. |
| 00:26.55 | dokma | any way to tell zcat to cat files that are not compressed? |
| 00:27.04 | mentor | cries and runs away |
| 00:27.05 | dokma | like zcat *gz *log |
| 00:27.10 | abrotman | vadi2: #debian-mentors is on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:27.15 | vadi2 | Ah |
| 00:27.16 | abrotman | vadi2: you can try to ask here |
| 00:27.22 | vadi2 | mentor: nothing against you! |
| 00:27.23 | abrotman | vadi2: the bot did tell you that |
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| 00:28.45 | jagginess | dokma, maybe use the find command! |
| 00:28.51 | jagginess | pass that to xargs |
| 00:29.34 | dokma | I don't see the point. I thought instead of cat *log zcat *gz I could make zcat work with zcat -someOption *gz *log |
| 00:29.52 | meLon | Having a hard time finding information about my server's terminal/tty/console vs opening a terminal with a gui. Trying to find a keyword I can google for a server console (TERM=linux) vs normal terminal (TERM=xterm) |
| 00:30.01 | vadi2 | Alright, well. I'm updating the source of a package while being clueless about it and short on time. I'm taking the source from Debian, which has some patches for it. I updated the source in the tarball and src/, and quilt says the patches still apply okay. Yet when I run debuild, it says one of the patches fails to apply, and that "rejecs" are saved to a file - but that file is not actually created. I'm not certain why the patch fail |
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| 00:30.34 | vadi2 | What steps should I take to rectify this properly? |
| 00:31.00 | gmaiarodrigo | hi |
| 00:31.11 | gmaiarodrigo | my layout: Layout: juniper -> computer1 ( -> eth0 -NAT- eth1 ->) -> Switch -> computer2(eth0). |
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| 00:32.41 | gmaiarodrigo | how do i eth0 porder receive assignment of static ip isp provider. For when I assign a fixed IP and valid isp can not get internet access. |
| 00:32.56 | gmaiarodrigo | isp provider = juniper |
| 00:33.13 | gmaiarodrigo | poder = can |
| 00:33.21 | gmaiarodrigo | porder = can |
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| 00:33.48 | gmaiarodrigo | Debian 6.0 |
| 00:34.04 | meLon | On a server, what's the terminal shown on the monitor called? |
| 00:34.36 | abrotman | console |
| 00:36.33 | mmnicolas | Diazo: it's just an archive, you can open it and see for yourself |
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| 00:37.32 | Diazo | mmnicolas, I'll check it real quick. |
| 00:41.35 | Diazo | mmnicolas, Just looks like a bunch of shell script code. With a bunch of weird looking symbols. |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | Diazo: it's possible they've obfuscated the whole thing |
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| 00:42.41 | Diazo | The printer driver is by Lexmark I can't say if that makes any difference. |
| 00:42.46 | Grizzly | how do I add domain name to server anyone ? |
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| 00:43.03 | vadi2 | How can I obtain the rejects file that debuild makes if a patch application fails? |
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| 00:43.57 | abrotman | Grizzly: /etc/mailname |
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| 00:44.08 | Diazo | abrotman and mmnicolas I was just curious seeing as the printer was discontinued and they stopped producing newer drivers. |
| 00:44.21 | mentor | Add a domainname line to resolv.conf? |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | Diazo: has the driver stopped working ? |
| 00:45.27 | Diazo | abrotman, Nope the driver hasn't stopped working but I don't know if it's the printer or the driver forcing me to reconnect it to my wireless access point every time I turn it on. |
| 00:45.45 | Diazo | Which is getting a bit annoying. :P |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | or your wifi access point ? |
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| 00:46.57 | abrotman | or just faulty hardware |
| 00:47.06 | Diazo | My wifi works fine when I'm on the Internet this happened when I was on my Windows machine too. |
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| 00:47.18 | mmnicolas | or just not meant to be turned off |
| 00:47.21 | Diazo | abrotman, Could be or the printer/driver in general. |
| 00:47.41 | Diazo | abrotman, But then again I've never had printers work right when I had Windows. |
| 00:47.52 | abrotman | doesn't even own a printer, yay! |
| 00:48.06 | Diazo | No problem though I guess it's just something I gotta deal with. |
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| 00:48.45 | mmnicolas | that's the way to go, you're probably saving a few trees just by yourself |
| 00:49.12 | Diazo | lol |
| 00:49.16 | abrotman | mmnicolas: tell that to $EMPLOYER that only has single-side printers |
| 00:49.44 | Diazo | Thanks either way time for me to hop into another channel see you. |
| 00:49.47 | Diazo | :) |
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| 00:50.22 | thothstriangle | hi |
| 00:51.28 | mmnicolas | ho |
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| 00:51.46 | abrotman | fights it ... |
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| 00:54.31 | ManoftheSea | what's abrotman fighting? |
| 00:55.18 | abrotman | it's off to work we go |
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| 01:13.13 | fabiobik | hello guys |
| 01:13.40 | fabiobik | i want a mp3 player from command line |
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| 01:13.54 | ManoftheSea | ffmpeg? |
| 01:13.56 | fabiobik | stream from network |
| 01:15.48 | abrotman | stream to network ? |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | mpd? |
| 01:16.32 | fabiobik | mp3 |
| 01:16.34 | fabiobik | http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?tl=en&q=text” |
| 01:16.40 | fabiobik | i want to stream this |
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| 01:17.17 | ManoftheSea | fabiobik: he's suggesting mpd, the media playing daemon |
| 01:17.28 | fabiobik | mpd? |
| 01:17.30 | fabiobik | okay |
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| 01:18.39 | fabiobik | mpd http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?tl=en&q=text |
| 01:18.39 | fabiobik | [2] 3496 |
| 01:18.39 | fabiobik | root@hit-server:~# config: problems opening file http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?tl=en for reading: No such file or directory |
| 01:18.44 | fabiobik | humm |
| 01:19.34 | ManoftheSea | fabiobik: do you know how to get help? check the man pages and google for mpd. |
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| 01:22.30 | MachinaeWolf | Do I need any of these modules for anything besides the webcam? http://pastebin.com/bSSpCkLC |
| 01:23.02 | fabiobik | i dont wnat to stream |
| 01:23.05 | fabiobik | i want to play it |
| 01:23.07 | fabiobik | ear it |
| 01:23.11 | fabiobik | ManoftheSea, |
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| 01:30.05 | alfplayer | MachinaeWolf: usbcore is a general USB module |
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| 01:32.38 | MachinaeWolf | well darn, I was trying to auto blacklist the webcam module since it cause so many freezes but it doesn't work unless you blacklist the other stuff :/ |
| 01:33.43 | alfplayer | MachinaeWolf: how is it that it doesn't work? |
| 01:34.15 | mmnicolas | fabiobik: mpg321 ? |
| 01:34.23 | MachinaeWolf | The module works but let's just say when I modprobe -r it, I don't get system wide freezes that make me have to hard reset |
| 01:34.31 | MachinaeWolf | so that's why I do that |
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| 01:34.42 | MachinaeWolf | weird I know but that's somehow what it des |
| 01:34.44 | MachinaeWolf | does* |
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| 01:36.14 | alfplayer | MachinaeWolf: maybe using a development version of the driver, if there is any |
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| 01:37.48 | MachinaeWolf | I have no idea where to get that |
| 01:37.57 | MachinaeWolf | I'm on wheezy btw |
| 01:39.03 | alfplayer | maybe searching the web with the module name |
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| 02:31.13 | thothstriangle | hello |
| 02:31.22 | thothstriangle | crank it up |
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| 02:31.29 | thothstriangle | wake up |
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| 02:32.07 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:32.32 | |Anthony| | are there any current how-to's for multiseat on debian? |
| 02:32.49 | thothstriangle | multi seat? |
| 02:32.59 | abrotman | !tell |Anthony| about multiseat |
| 02:33.22 | jagginess | yeah.. how's been for years.. (i believe circa ~2005 multiseat was possible with one X instance) |
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| 02:33.36 | |Anthony| | that is OLD info there lol |
| 02:33.50 | jagginess | multiseat means two users physically to the same X server machine.. |
| 02:33.50 | |Anthony| | fedora has it plug-and-play out of the box now |
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| 02:34.05 | jagginess | so separate sections for keyb/mouse/screen combos.. |
| 02:34.12 | |Anthony| | i'd rather go with debian though tbh |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | so read the wiki |
| 02:35.04 | thothstriangle | dammit i cant think |
| 02:36.30 | jagginess | |Anthony|, i believe it's wrong on the debian wiki ( http://wiki.debian.org/Multi_Seat_Debian_HOWTO ) |
| 02:36.49 | |Anthony| | i think the info is outdated iirc |
| 02:36.52 | abrotman | if it's wrong, update it .. it's a WIKI |
| 02:37.14 | |Anthony| | lol |
| 02:37.24 | abrotman | if it's outdated, clearly you know a better/newer method, update it |
| 02:37.25 | jagginess | |Anthony|, http://vignatti.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/multiseat-roadmap/ |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | also note the Xorg in squeeze is .. three? years old |
| 02:38.20 | jagginess | I wouldnt know.. sometimes these things go broke from one releaes to the next.. |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | so let him read |
| 02:38.32 | |Anthony| | there is a bunch of fuss with ck and xnest i'd rather not be bothered with |
| 02:38.33 | johannes__ | hi, I get this error message with make-kpkg compiling a new kernel (3.4) ld: final link failed: Input/output error what does that mean? |
| 02:38.40 | jagginess | (i recall doing it but not needing ln -sf ) |
| 02:38.44 | jagginess | (i did read the page) |
| 02:39.29 | jagginess | |Anthony|, ya that was the old .. there's xrandr |
| 02:39.35 | abrotman | johannes__: what's wrong with the 3.2 in backports? |
| 02:40.00 | jagginess | |Anthony|, apt-cache search multiseat, maybe there's a helper tool |
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| 02:40.38 | johannes__ | abrotman i want to change a driver from module to * and so I need to compile anyway, thats why I used the sources from kernel.org for their new long term kernel |
| 02:40.58 | |Anthony| | jagginess, i'm planning a distro switch and am weighing the options actually. so i'm not on debian right now |
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| 02:44.45 | jagginess | |Anthony|, this looks more elegated, but i did it before "Xorg" was even forked (i used a patch long ago on xfree86)-> http://wpkg.org/Configuring_multiseat_X_workstation |
| 02:45.01 | jagginess | |Anthony|, i guess two Xorg processes would run then.. |
| 02:45.16 | |Anthony| | right |
| 02:45.22 | |Anthony| | that was my understanding of it |
| 02:45.23 | jagginess | |Anthony|, default is gdm with debian i guess |
| 02:45.36 | |Anthony| | each session has its own X |
| 02:45.48 | jagginess | looks like that.. |
| 02:45.50 | |Anthony| | but there *were* patches for gdm |
| 02:45.52 | g0dfrey | how to downgrade with aptitude? |
| 02:46.01 | jagginess | |Anthony|, so you got nothing? (mdm? apt-cache search multiseat) |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | !tell g0dfrey about downgrade |
| 02:48.13 | jagginess | |Anthony|, there's a option you can use that's not on that page-> Option "AutoAddDevices" "false" |
| 02:48.35 | g0dfrey | The proble is that some qt libs in wheezy can't be installed and i want to install a new version of virtualbox and it can't be installed...so how to solve that? |
| 02:48.39 | jagginess | |Anthony|, actually it's on there but i had my case-sensitivy search locked mwhaha |
| 02:48.47 | |Anthony| | lol |
| 02:48.52 | jagginess | good luck.. gtg for now :) |
| 02:49.00 | |Anthony| | oh |
| 02:49.31 | abrotman | g0dfrey: you've done an 'aptitude update' recently ? |
| 02:49.32 | |Anthony| | was about to mention that AutoAddDevices: false is problematic... if something gets unplugged |
| 02:49.45 | abrotman | g0dfrey: and done a full-upgrade lately ? |
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| 02:50.15 | g0dfrey | abrotman: Yes...an update yesterday |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | and full-upgrade ? |
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| 02:51.35 | g0dfrey | abrotman: it is said that the problem will be gone with lib version 4.8.2+dfsg-1 in sid... |
| 02:51.49 | abrotman | which library ? |
| 02:52.47 | g0dfrey | abrotman: libqt4-network,libqt4-dbus,libqt4-xml,libqtcore4,libqtgui4 |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | they're all broken ? |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | judd: versions libqt4-network |
| 02:53.08 | g0dfrey | abrotman: multi-arch problems |
| 02:53.08 | judd | Package: libqt4-network on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.2-2+b1; sid: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-1 |
| 02:53.26 | thothstriangle | ok guys im trying to get the ommand to configure squid to alow my ip. |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | g0dfrey: i'd guess you can try to just grab the package from sid and install it on your wheezy box |
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| 02:55.02 | thothstriangle | anybody? |
| 02:55.09 | g0dfrey | abrotman: I will try ...thank you |
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| 02:57.44 | g0dfrey | abrotman: version in wheezy now is 4:4.8.2-2+b1 and in sid is 4:4.8.2+dfsg-1...does aptitude know that the later version is newer? |
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| 02:58.18 | abrotman | it will, yes |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | or should anyway |
| 02:59.18 | g0dfrey | abrotman: what's the meaning of dfsg? |
| 02:59.36 | abrotman | !tell g0dfrey about dfsg |
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| 03:04.56 | eskp | hi, can anyone point me in the direction of php 5.2 packages? |
| 03:05.23 | eskp | i'm trying to install it on squeeze but all the sources that i've tried are not there |
| 03:05.28 | thothstriangle | anybody know squid? |
| 03:05.37 | g0dfrey | abrotman: some libs like libqt4-sql-mysql(4:4.8.2-2+b1) depends on libqtcore4=4:4.8.2-2+b1 so i need to install a new version of that too? |
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| 03:25.34 | g0dfrey | abrotman: The same problem exist in sid |
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| 03:42.55 | johannes__ | I seem to have some problems with my hard drive (ssd) I get these errors in syslog: http://pastebin.com/sKKUC0as how can I find out what causes the problems? |
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| 03:46.25 | Rusty1 | johannes__: does a google of: Add. Sense: No additional sense information, yield anything useful ? |
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| 04:05.43 | Bird|lappy | how do I figure out which packages are consuming the most disk space on my box? |
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| 04:12.50 | alfplayer | Bird|lappy: have you found it? you can use "dpigs" command |
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| 04:14.25 | somiaj | hmm dpigs looks intersting, though would it fall into the issue that it only talks about the size of the package as opposed to all the dependencies required for that package as well. |
| 04:15.23 | fchurca | i've been looking if libyui (the yast user interface) is already in any debian repo, but can't seem to find it |
| 04:15.33 | fchurca | there is the source at sourceforge tho |
| 04:15.43 | fchurca | does anyone know if there's someone packaging it or trying to? |
| 04:16.01 | somiaj | fchurca: what have you done to look? You can use apt-file on debian or packages.debian.org and see if that file is in a package (as opposed to just has a package for it) |
| 04:16.41 | fchurca | to be honest i'm on linux mint-debian edition, but it uses the wheezy repos |
| 04:16.53 | fchurca | i've googled it tho, it should have popped up |
| 04:17.02 | somiaj | no it doesn't mint uses it's own repos. So look though the mint repos (it most likely has apt-file) |
| 04:17.14 | fchurca | apt-cache search libyui didn't return anything |
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| 04:18.53 | alfplayer | somiaj: Bird|lappy can run "apt-cache show" to see dependencies, and check if they are "pigs" too |
| 04:19.07 | fchurca | and googling libyui debian turns out the quite young sourceforge page for the project itself but without any packages |
| 04:19.16 | Bird|lappy | I'm on my laptop now, (Debian testing on this box) |
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| 04:19.38 | alfplayer | downside is, it's a manual process, and it may be too slow |
| 04:19.49 | somiaj | fchurca: that is because apt-cache only searches package name/descriptions. You awnt apt-file to make sure it isn't inclued in some other package |
| 04:19.59 | fchurca | let's see |
| 04:20.01 | somiaj | fchurca: but #debian is not the place for help on linux mint. Go to their irc channel. |
| 04:20.09 | somiaj | !mint |
| 04:20.09 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 04:20.28 | fchurca | i'm seeing if it's ported upstream too :) |
| 04:20.37 | fchurca | not just on mint |
| 04:20.44 | iToast | fchurca, No |
| 04:20.46 | Bird|lappy | yeah, that's the twisty problem |
| 04:20.54 | iToast | fchurca, dont speak of other distros in this channel as this is #Debian |
| 04:21.08 | Bird|lappy | what do you do when you have an issue you have found in a downstream distro, but suspect is not distro-specific but inherited from upstream? |
| 04:21.15 | fchurca | well, i was asking if the package is present in debian itself :) |
| 04:21.53 | somiaj | fchurca: goto packages.debian.org and figure it out |
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| 04:22.23 | ArtificialEX | is there a way to monitor all SSH user activity live? |
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| 04:22.55 | dizzylizzy | huh |
| 04:23.01 | fchurca | somiaj: i have already searched there but there's no package; is someone working on porting it? |
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| 04:23.01 | somiaj | Bird|lappy: debian is usually not upstream and you should really send the problem upstream. But yes sometimes derivatives blindly grab debian packages in which bugs will follow though. In that rare case one should use the bts (if it is an actual debian bug), but upstream is usually the place to go first. |
| 04:23.02 | dizzylizzy | to what extent? ssh is encrypted |
| 04:23.03 | ArtificialEX | dizzylizzy: was that to me? |
| 04:23.26 | dizzylizzy | as in, a list of user connections? |
| 04:23.28 | dizzylizzy | yes |
| 04:23.32 | ArtificialEX | well I'm on my box as root, and I'm ssh as alex into box, running commands |
| 04:23.43 | ArtificialEX | I want to know if I can watch the commands taking place from physical box as root |
| 04:23.45 | somiaj | fchurca: I don't know, but if it isn't found there it won't be in debian in squeeze and most likely not wheezy either so consider it a no. |
| 04:24.26 | fchurca | somiaj: should i get a debian vm, the source code, and the tutorial on packaging then? :) |
| 04:25.14 | fchurca | according to the project page, it shouldn't be too difficult, although i'm kinda green at packaging yet |
| 04:26.09 | somiaj | fchurca: why would you want to do that. Goto linux mint and ask them, from there you can just make the package on your own system. Or even just install it in /usr/local or stow. Anyways go get help for mint since that is your distro of choice. |
| 04:26.40 | fchurca | i was offering to do it on a debian machine, as a project for the debian repos |
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| 04:27.33 | somiaj | fchurca: it isn't an easy process to get a package accepted in debian. I would suggest you first go find and read the debian matainers guide. But to get a package in debian isnt' as simple as you packing it for debian. |
| 04:28.10 | fchurca | i know :) |
| 04:28.35 | somiaj | fchurca: you may have to port it to all the arch's supported, ensure it fits in debian guidelines and find a mentor who will work with you to get the package in debian. |
| 04:28.36 | fchurca | i am just asking if it's worth the work :) |
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| 04:29.21 | somiaj | I would say just read the debian matianers guide, make your own package and play around. Its a fun learning project. Getting the package accepted into debian is a horse of another color I woudln't worry to much myself. |
| 04:29.56 | fchurca | that sounds like quite an interesting challenge |
| 04:30.05 | lcc | hi I have debian gnu/linux (ext4) installed alongside debian gnu/kfreebsd (ufs). grub was configured from gnu/linux. what do I need to add to grub to boot kfreebsd? |
| 04:30.36 | fchurca | just curious; how does the process of accepting code from "child" distros work in debian? |
| 04:30.52 | somiaj | lcc: there is an os-prober package, and I belive if you have the filesystem mounted nicely it can do it automatically (don't know much more than that, but it is a starting point) |
| 04:31.28 | somiaj | fchurca: it would work the same as accepting any patch/package. If it is just a patch, submit it to the matainer via the bts, if its a full package you need to find a mentor. |
| 04:31.47 | fchurca | i'll keep that in mind then |
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| 04:32.24 | lcc | somiaj: hm... I am actually trying to triple boot gnu/linux gnu/kfreebsd and minix. :_) I'll check it out though. |
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| 04:32.42 | fchurca | somiaj: there's a gal in my university that is a debian packager. i'm not much in touch with her, but will try to get her help when the time comes. |
| 04:33.54 | fchurca | i don't actually know her name, even less if she's still a packager, she was a tutor in one of my courses two years or so ago; but maybe i can find her |
| 04:35.30 | somiaj | fchurca: the offical debian irc network is on irc.oftc.net |
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| 04:36.07 | somiaj | fchurca: there is a #debian-mentors channel there as well, good place for packaging help or getting better info than I can provide about such procedures. I am just a debian user and not a packager myself (though I have made my own packages) |
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| 04:36.27 | fchurca | somiaj: i wasn't aware of that either, thanks for all the tips :) |
| 04:37.13 | Bird|lappy | how do I figure out which packages depend on a particular package? |
| 04:37.13 | somiaj | lcc: the grub menu file is generated from a bunch of scripts. I belive you can put your own custom enteries into it somewhere in /etc/grub, so you just have to look up the correct info to put into it to get it to boot correctly |
| 04:37.44 | somiaj | lcc: the os-prober package and such are scripts that try to automatic this as much as can be, but they can't get every situation |
| 04:38.23 | somiaj | Bird|lappy: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 04:38.43 | somiaj | Bird|lappy: with aptitude search you can do a lot. One nice one is the depends or reverse depends. That should search for everything that depends (or reverse depends) on a paticular package. |
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| 04:39.03 | somiaj | make sure you include the install flag (so you look for installed packages that depend on foo) |
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| 04:39.47 | Bird|lappy | reverse depends with an install flag seems like exactly what I'm after |
| 04:40.16 | somiaj | I think you want depends |
| 04:40.25 | Bird|lappy | no |
| 04:40.29 | Bird|lappy | I want reverse depends |
| 04:40.36 | somiaj | you want everything that depends on that package (though my dyslixia flips them around) |
| 04:40.41 | Bird|lappy | ah |
| 04:40.43 | somiaj | I just know once I tried reverse depends and it was the wrong way. (: |
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| 04:45.20 | binroot | hey guys, im setting up my wifi dongle. i see it under wlan0 when I do 'ip link show' |
| 04:45.34 | binroot | but now how do I scan nearby wifi points? |
| 04:45.51 | binroot | is the wireless-tools package necessary? |
| 04:46.04 | binroot | or can it be done entirely through the 'ip' tool |
| 04:46.06 | binroot | ? |
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| 04:50.03 | somiaj | binroot: ifconfig wlan0 up (you need to bring the device up) |
| 04:50.47 | somiaj | binroot: from there 'iwlist wlan0 scan' |
| 04:50.56 | binroot | somiaj, i tried 'ip link wlan0 up' |
| 04:50.59 | binroot | is that different? |
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| 04:52.03 | hwfdyu | Is Debian newbie-friendly? |
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| 04:53.28 | hwfdyu | Or at least, is that one of their goals? |
| 04:54.11 | somiaj | binroot: I just use ifconfig out of habbit, don't know the ip syntax, but yes you can bring it up that way |
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| 04:54.24 | somiaj | binroot: the iwlist wlan0 scan will just not work if the device isn't up |
| 04:54.32 | somiaj | binroot: you can also use a gui tool such as network-manager or wicd |
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| 04:55.30 | binroot | somiaj, what's the best way to install wicd or network-manager without an internet access? can I download it from another computer, move it over, and run a make file? |
| 04:55.33 | somiaj | hwfdyu: kinda, but not really. Its goal is freedom and to be universial. There is lots of good docs for a newbie, and things are getting a bit more automatic (from days old) but debian seems to want its users to learn to read documenation and figure things out (not have it handed on a silver platter) |
| 04:56.03 | somiaj | binroot: packages.debian.org -- download the .deb for your debian verions/arch along with any dependencies (that is the hard part) |
| 04:56.09 | somiaj | binroot: install them with dpkg -i |
| 04:56.20 | binroot | ok thanks! |
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| 04:57.43 | somiaj | binroot: note if you don't have a fully xenv that won't be easy and I suggest you just use /etc/network/interfaces and configure the card manually and bring it up |
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| 04:58.00 | somiaj | binroot: though depending on your install debian doens't have wpasupplicant (for wpa networks) by default |
| 04:58.23 | binroot | im on a raspberrypi with openbox |
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| 04:59.14 | somiaj | wicd and network-manager could have an annoying amount of dependencies you may need to install anways...just be warned, (: |
| 04:59.59 | binroot | haha thanks! i might just connect this thing via ethernet and get wicd the easy way if this fails :P |
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| 05:00.50 | somiaj | that is my prefered method (I think the basic wireless support on a debian minimial install lacks way to much for the times) |
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| 05:04.16 | namoamitabuddha | How can I keep iceweasel the latest version? |
| 05:04.29 | hwfdyu | thanks somiaj |
| 05:04.39 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: what version of debian do you run? Do you know about the mozilla.debian.org (or .net) repo? |
| 05:04.52 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: Yeah, I know. |
| 05:05.02 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: I'm running wheezy (testing). |
| 05:05.16 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: It suggests me to add experimental in sources.list |
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| 05:05.43 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: that is a very bad idea. I would stick with the version in wheezy until it stablizes |
| 05:05.53 | somiaj | once wheezy is stablized I'm sure m.d.o will keep you upto date |
| 05:06.01 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: What? |
| 05:06.28 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: The one in wheezy is obsolete. |
| 05:06.56 | somiaj | hwfdyu: so if by newbie you mean someone how is new to debian and wants to learn there is lots to help you out (inclidng here). If you want something more like ubuntu or mint which tries to make things automatic and happen behind the scenese, then no. (: |
| 05:07.09 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: you are running a testing operating system that is undergoing the freeze to stablize |
| 05:07.32 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: I know that wheezy is frozen. |
| 05:07.50 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: you do not want to install sid/experimential packages because you don't want to install the sid/experimential core libaries (and mix things). And since it hasn't stablized there won't be other people at m.d.o making packages for it until that happens |
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| 05:08.54 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: my suggestion is goto firefox.org, download the stactic linked firefox binary and put it in your $HOME and run it from there. |
| 05:09.06 | somiaj | at least until wheezy stablizes and there is better support for it and things like iceweasle |
| 05:09.11 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: It should be noticed that the packages in experimental WILL NOT BE INSTALLED unless the user enable the parameter "-t experimental". |
| 05:09.34 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: or edit /etc/apt |
| 05:09.47 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: the issue is that experimential packages are built against the sid base (which could be slowly drifting from wheezy). Which is why you don't want to install experimential into wheezy |
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| 05:11.06 | gnarface | wow |
| 05:11.22 | namoamitabuddha | The official firefox differs from iceweasel slightly. |
| 05:11.52 | gnarface | does anyone happen to know if unloading the "composite" module in e17 disables all compositing and real-time rendering and such stuff? i'm trying to figure out where the extra 5 degrees of temperature at idle are coming from since switching from e16 |
| 05:12.20 | gnarface | knew e17 would be heavier, but didn't expect it to affect the power bill |
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| 05:12.40 | somiaj | gnarface: sounds like its tiem to switch to fvwm...:D |
| 05:12.53 | gnarface | somiaj: but my virtual desktops.... |
| 05:13.14 | somiaj | gnarface: fvwm has as many virtual desktops and pages as you want (two layers of virtualizing things) |
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| 05:13.50 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: if you really want the experiemential package first a) check to see if it depends on any sid package whose version is not the same as wheezy (if you can install it without those extra depends you are safe this time but don't count on it) |
| 05:14.01 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: or the better option is backport it to wheezy yourself. /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 05:14.02 | gnarface | unloading the compositing module did kill the drop shadows and transparency, which was a lot... as well as the "bouncy" window effect...(which was just annoying) ... i wonder if the background images that are algorithmically drawn tie up the cpu constantly even if they're not animated |
| 05:14.56 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: I installed iceweasel from experimental okay without sid repo, but I found it never updates automatically. |
| 05:15.40 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: just becareful. you start mixign things like that (and pull in core libaries) you could find lots of strange errors that will not be supported. |
| 05:15.57 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: I could update it manually. For example, "aptitude -t experimentall upgrade iceweasel". |
| 05:16.03 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: it is probabaly good it doesn't update automitcally you don't want experiemntial to do so. |
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| 05:16.44 | somiaj | gnarface: so e17 finally got released, hasn't it been like 6 years or so in the waiting? Was it worth the wait? |
| 05:17.09 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: I know that I can setup the APT-pin to modify the pin-priority for the specified package, but I don't know whether it's safe to do so. |
| 05:17.21 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: *APT-pining |
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| 05:17.35 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: its one of those things that could work for years, or could break next update. I woudln't. |
| 05:17.57 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: The Pin-Priority of experimental is always 1. |
| 05:17.59 | somiaj | the biggest issue I've seen with mixing in here is once things go wrong, its a can of worms that is really hard to fix. |
| 05:18.10 | gnarface | somiaj: its been released? i wasn't under the impression this software was beyond alpha quality yet (the experience has definitely been painful) but i'm trying to diagnose a disappearing mouse cursor problem in wine that i thought may have been due to e16 being no longer maintained at all and therefore becoming allergic to xorg |
| 05:18.50 | somiaj | so I've seen people like you mix things for years with no problem, then all the sudon they get a problem, and fixing one causes another and it isn't worth the chance if you ask me namoamitabuddha |
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| 05:19.06 | somiaj | gnarface: oh I thought because you were using it, it had been released. I just know I've been hearing about e17 for years and years. |
| 05:19.16 | ArtificialEX | can domains themselves be congested, for example a service like no-ip.com, which allows you to choose a domain to point to your server? |
| 05:19.24 | fchurca | i'll get going now |
| 05:19.32 | fchurca | thanks somiaj for the tips :) |
| 05:19.39 | gnarface | somiaj: so i decided to see if e17 is any more stable (which its definitely not, with compositing... just IO locks the whole machine after a while in wine) but the verdict is still out on whether its stable enough with compositing off yet... i didn't get any IO locks but judging from the idle temp changes i'm looking at 10$ in electricity |
| 05:19.40 | somiaj | fchurca: your welcome. |
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| 05:20.32 | somiaj | ArtificialEX: yes no-ip.com could have issues or go down making your dynamic ip nameserver have issues. But this isn't a debian support question. |
| 05:21.00 | jpinx | not if this is debian-specific, but I am getting a freeeze-up in squeeze. Sometimes gui file-manager will not display my home dir and even ls freezes |
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| 05:21.07 | gnarface | somiaj: yea as far as i know this is still unfinished and most the themes are even worse... but there are packages in unstable now that boot and are functional out-of-the-box with no tweaking as long as you delete your old ~/.e |
| 05:21.13 | jpinx | where should I be looking for the trouble? |
| 05:21.17 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: Well, I update iceweasel manually. |
| 05:21.23 | ArtificialEX | I meant if hundreds more users select sub.domainX.com over sub.domainY.com, would sub.domainX.com be a worse choice? |
| 05:21.38 | Bird|lappy | jpinx, does the hard disk light come on when this freezing happens? |
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| 05:21.43 | Bird|lappy | does it blink on and off or stay on? |
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| 05:21.55 | somiaj | ArtificialEX: yes, look into load balancers (tools designed to even out traffic so one computer doesn't get hammered) |
| 05:22.22 | jpinx | Bird|lappy: it blinks |
| 05:22.32 | ArtificialEX | so if their using load balancers properly, it shouldn't matter that I pick their most popular, short subdomain? |
| 05:22.34 | somiaj | jpinx: it sounds like hard disk i/o. Check 'dmesg' for errors, but if it is always in reading/writing to the hd it could be that something is filling up your hd io banwidth. |
| 05:23.18 | somiaj | ArtificialEX: note the key word there 'if', but yes a computer can get bombarded with requests/network traffic causing it to bog down or not work. |
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| 05:23.25 | jpinx | somiaj: makes sense-- how to check what's using my hd i/o bandwidth - nothing else is running |
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| 05:24.04 | ArtificialEX | and by computer, you mean domain specifically? |
| 05:24.04 | somiaj | jpinx: I don't have any clear answer to that, though it is a good question. I know there are ways to monintor it, but not off the top of my head. |
| 05:24.30 | somiaj | ArtificialEX: well a domain is just a name that resolves an ip that points to a computer (or a cluster of computers with a router/load balancer in front) |
| 05:24.47 | ArtificialEX | right but it's pointing to my computer, which only I'm accessing |
| 05:25.02 | somiaj | ArtificialEX: so it totally depends on the network/design of the system. Many places use redudencies and fallbacks to prevent stuff from happening but not all. |
| 05:25.21 | jpinx | somiaj: Bird|lappy here's a line from dmesg - is it signific<nt? [269803.337031] hda-intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode: last cmd=0x015f0900 |
| 05:25.35 | ArtificialEX | but their service offers me subdomain options to point to my computer. I'm wondering if everyone picks one, if that slows it down |
| 05:26.06 | Bird|lappy | hrm. that sounds like your audio chip is doing funky things, but wouldn't be connected to your hard drive being uber-slow I don't think |
| 05:26.09 | somiaj | ArtificialEX: it shoudln't. Their service just turns a name into an ip. If the domain name is slow, try connecting wiht just the ip |
| 05:26.33 | somiaj | jpinx: do you have lots of those lines. with disk i/o errors, usually there is no sortage of complaining. |
| 05:26.36 | ArtificialEX | good to know, ill pick the shortest catchiest one then. thanks somiaj |
| 05:26.41 | jpinx | Bird|lappy: I had vlc running, but I have killed everything now |
| 05:26.54 | jpinx | somiaj: no - only one line |
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| 05:28.19 | somiaj | jpinx: I wish I knew the exact command, but you should check hdparm and see what speed your harddrives are at. It could be they are only running at a very low speed so something like vlc is enough to eat up most the bandwidth causing pauses whenever you access the drive. |
| 05:28.22 | jpinx | somiaj: Bird|lappy when I attempy ls I get a freeze which Ctrl-c does not kill |
| 05:28.44 | Bird|lappy | jpinx, what does top have to say when that happens? |
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| 05:28.45 | jpinx | somiaj: ok- but vlc is not running now |
| 05:28.46 | somiaj | jpinx: when ls freezes, if you wait does it finally go though. |
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| 05:29.12 | jpinx | no ls remains frozen - I waited about ten minutes |
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| 05:29.41 | jpinx | Bird|lappy: top shows nothing unusual - no cpu hogs |
| 05:30.08 | somiaj | really seems like disk i/o, but as I said I can't think of the best way to monintor/debug it |
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| 05:31.08 | jpinx | somiaj: Bird|lappy I fixed it yesterday the windoze way ... rebooting ;) |
| 05:31.29 | somiaj | jpinx: check your swap for me |
| 05:31.40 | jpinx | somiaj: ? |
| 05:31.44 | somiaj | what does top say about the amount of swap being used. |
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| 05:31.49 | Bird|lappy | yeah, you got any memory hogs? you can check that in top as well |
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| 05:32.37 | jpinx | Bird|lappy: nothing apparently hogging any resoucres in top |
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| 05:33.01 | Bird|lappy | I think it's a 'M' in top to get it to sort by memory usage % |
| 05:33.07 | somiaj | jpinx: under Swap how much do you have used? |
| 05:33.21 | Bird|lappy | yeah, it's 'M' |
| 05:33.23 | jpinx | somiaj: Swap: 2236408k total, 2316k used, 2234092k free, 705244k cached |
| 05:33.54 | Bird|lappy | wow |
| 05:33.58 | Bird|lappy | you aren't swapping at all |
| 05:34.06 | somiaj | yea so that wasn't the issue. |
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| 05:35.23 | jpinx | somiaj: M in top shows xorg using maost -- 1.1% |
| 05:35.45 | jpinx | not swapping now cos nothing running |
| 05:36.03 | jpinx | I could kill X and got int term |
| 05:36.04 | somiaj | jpinx: I was more intersted in just swap, if your machine was swaping for some strange reason that would slow things down a lot and be fixed after a reboot. |
| 05:36.32 | somiaj | you could go start parsing though /var/log and look for errors that seem related to y our problem and google them. |
| 05:37.04 | jpinx | I was googling a while with errors a few times, but nothing relevant so far |
| 05:37.08 | Bird|lappy | gosh. getting a box with a scruched / to update properly is a real pain in the rump |
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| 05:38.33 | iToast | anyone got a guide to anope |
| 05:38.34 | iToast | with inspircd |
| 05:38.35 | jpinx | somiaj: ok - now in Ctrl Alt F1 term with just screen and ssh running |
| 05:38.35 | iToast | >_< |
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| 05:39.13 | jpinx | logged out of X |
| 05:41.01 | jpinx | still freezes on ls :( |
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| 05:44.56 | jpinx | somiaj: think I might have solved it - I had a hung sshfs session ;) |
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| 05:50.58 | Bird|lappy | jpinx, that'd do it alright |
| 05:51.14 | Bird|lappy | now...this is bad. my TeX is pretty darn well hozed |
| 05:51.15 | Bird|lappy | *hosed |
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| 05:56.36 | jpinx | but I cheated and rebooted rather than *really* sorting it out |
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| 06:26.34 | MrGeneral_ | Hello, what does runlevel 2 mean? the server wont boot all services |
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| 06:34.16 | somiaj | MrGeneral_: in debian by default it isn't anything special. Runlevel 1 is single user, 2-5 is multi user but all the same by default. |
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| 06:41.18 | companion | somiaj, level 1 ~ 2 is mainly for maintenance right? |
| 06:43.33 | pandop | greets |
| 06:44.10 | companion | hello pandop |
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| 06:44.39 | companion | Any one knows how to remove any thing X11 related? |
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| 06:44.54 | companion | since I installed a wrong package with installed some X11 stuff : / |
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| 06:44.58 | ultra | Installing official nVidia drivers. Installator cant find "Kerner source" to "make" something. Where I can get it? |
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| 06:45.24 | companion | ultra, out of my head you need kernel-headers and kernel-source |
| 06:45.37 | ultra | apt-get it? |
| 06:45.41 | companion | yes |
| 06:45.52 | ultra | ty |
| 06:45.54 | companion | np |
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| 06:46.19 | ultra | companion, I am running wheezy and it says error: |
| 06:46.44 | companion | ultra, use www.pastebin.com to paste in the error |
| 06:46.49 | ultra | companion, http://paste.debian.net/185002/ |
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| 06:47.19 | ultra | companion, is that sources.list issue? |
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| 06:47.52 | companion | ultra, let me find the right package for you |
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| 06:48.36 | ultra | companion, deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia unstable nvidia-kernel-common ? |
| 06:48.39 | weirdCursor | hi |
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| 06:48.46 | ultra | hi weirdCursor |
| 06:48.47 | companion | ultra, you need that one too |
| 06:49.02 | ultra | companion, but it says unstalble :( |
| 06:49.03 | companion | ultra, try: apt-get install kernel-source-('uname -r') |
| 06:49.39 | companion | just woke up tho D: |
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| 06:50.03 | ultra | btw Ive got Wheezy just to use GNOME 3, which I completly adore |
| 06:50.16 | companion | ultra, should not be a problem |
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| 06:50.33 | ultra | companion, most of users here was like "ouh you will run some problems mate, it will be hard time" |
| 06:50.44 | companion | ultra, nah |
| 06:50.44 | rgr | and you will |
| 06:51.01 | rgr | what are you trying to do? Install the nvidia drivers? |
| 06:51.04 | ultra | companion, the biggest issue i had was bad extencion to gnome-shell, I had to manually recue system by deleting it, and I succeeded at first try - thats a cool feeling |
| 06:51.08 | companion | ultra, use google/irc and read howto's and you will learn to use it |
| 06:51.22 | ultra | extention* |
| 06:51.28 | companion | expecially debian wiki :) |
| 06:51.43 | companion | rgr, he is trying to install nvidia drivers |
| 06:51.56 | ultra | Theres alot to read that Ive skipped since my Windows 3.11 :/ |
| 06:51.56 | rgr | what are these kernel-source- packages? Is this a newly added repo? |
| 06:52.02 | weirdCursor | i noticed a strange behaviour of xfce4-terminal on debian squeeze. It's a fresh installation. I'm using openbox. When i open the menu i launch Terminal. xfce4-terminal opens with a green cursor on the upper-right corner and no prompt appears. Prompt appears only when i press the Enter key. So i tried to mv the ~/.bashrc file and i see that the problem remains. It happens also when i use Ctrl+Shift+n on a xfce4-terminal ( to open a new terminal window) |
| 06:52.12 | jelly-home | ultra: don't use the nvidia installer. |
| 06:52.17 | companion | ultra, rarely use gui's on linux since these days since I run it only on my servers |
| 06:52.23 | ultra | rgr, Ive still did nothing. Updating now sources.list with nVidia unstable and than executing "apt-get install kernel-source-('uname -r')" |
| 06:52.25 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell ultra about nvidia dkms |
| 06:52.28 | companion | jelly-home, what changed? |
| 06:52.38 | jelly-home | companion: what changed where? |
| 06:52.42 | rgr | ultra: google up module assistant nvidia too |
| 06:52.45 | ultra | jelly, last time It worked fine on other box |
| 06:52.49 | companion | jelly-home, its used to be a recommended method |
| 06:52.50 | ultra | rgr, why |
| 06:53.05 | jelly-home | companion: it never was in #debian |
| 06:53.07 | rgr | because using the nvidia installer is asking for trouble UNLESS (and Jelly can correct me) there has been major fixes. |
| 06:53.16 | companion | jelly-home, according to the forums it were :P |
| 06:53.23 | rgr | I think you're eing fed a crock by someone who is guessing |
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| 06:53.43 | jelly-home | nvidia installer makes a mess out of several packaged components, and does not care a lot about putting it back |
| 06:53.44 | ultra | rgr, they said that Distro installers may be "Better" :D |
| 06:53.48 | companion | but that was like 5 or 6 years ago |
| 06:53.50 | jelly-home | companion: your forums lied |
| 06:53.51 | rgr | who said? |
| 06:54.03 | rgr | companion is wrong if he recommended the nvidia installer. |
| 06:54.15 | companion | rgr, I did not recommended it :) |
| 06:54.22 | ultra | no no it was my try |
| 06:54.23 | jelly-home | ,v nvidia-glx |
| 06:54.25 | judd | Package: nvidia-glx on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 302.17-3; sid/non-free: 304.37-1 |
| 06:54.26 | rgr | you'll end up with a BSOD (black) next time you get a kernal update. |
| 06:54.34 | rgr | (well you will anyway ;) |
| 06:54.39 | ultra | so this dpkg - those r commands that I need to run and thats it? :D:D |
| 06:54.43 | jelly-home | there's a fairly recent 295.59 packaged for Debian 6 |
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| 06:55.02 | jelly-home | ultra: uninstall the nvidia installer things first |
| 06:55.08 | rgr | jelly-home: doe that upgrade with new kernels? Its all so vague I forget;) ? |
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| 06:55.23 | ultra | jelly, it installed nothing! I just have some cc make and butils or something as it rrecommended |
| 06:55.39 | rgr | I tend to use "sudo m-a a-i install nvidia" |
| 06:55.40 | jelly-home | rgr: dkms rebuilds the kernel components at kernel installation time |
| 06:55.49 | rgr | ah right. I need to check up on that. |
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| 06:56.04 | jelly-home | it's a bit more friendly than m-a |
| 06:56.07 | rgr | last time I tried dkms or whatever it is fell over and hosed my display. Nothing I hadnt experienced before though. |
| 06:56.14 | rgr | :) |
| 06:56.36 | jelly-home | that's unusual since it's the same software, just a different way of building it |
| 06:56.50 | jelly-home | ultra: well then. |
| 06:56.59 | rgr | but my alarms went off when I see things like "kernel-souce *balh*" or something like that...:) |
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| 06:57.47 | rgr | jelly-home: so do you have apointer to using dkms install (stable) please? Or is it as simple as nvidia-glx install? |
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| 06:58.17 | rgr | (when I say it fell over this was a long time ago and I didnt try again ) |
| 06:58.31 | ultra | Ok noob question! |
| 06:58.36 | ultra | How to stop xserver (dont bite!) |
| 06:58.44 | ultra | I stick to htop and kill it :D |
| 06:58.46 | rgr | why bite? Its a perfectly acceptable Q |
| 06:58.59 | ultra | Well startx stop stops it but that it starts again bt itself |
| 06:59.02 | rgr | which you could google in 2 s;) |
| 06:59.27 | ultra | Ive tried mate, cant find proper way. The only working for me is to killing ;/ |
| 06:59.30 | rgr | switch to a different session and sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop if youre using gnome which is what I use. C-A-f1 for example. |
| 06:59.44 | ultra | It just transports me to console, does not closing it |
| 06:59.52 | rgr | see the sudo bit |
| 06:59.55 | rgr | ^^^ |
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| 07:00.02 | ultra | executing as a root :D |
| 07:00.08 | rgr | as sudo |
| 07:00.12 | ultra | yeah |
| 07:00.18 | ultra | sudo <> root? |
| 07:00.34 | rgr | dont start on that ... peope lose their hair;) |
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| 07:00.54 | ultra | well sudo gives me roots powers for a short time, isint that the ting? |
| 07:01.00 | ultra | thing* |
| 07:01.12 | rgr | have you tried it? Do you have two PCs there? |
| 07:01.16 | ultra | yeah |
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| 07:01.34 | ultra | Most of time I was using roots console, but that gave my user all sudo rights and sudoing it like a pro |
| 07:01.37 | rgr | "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop" in our new session. |
| 07:01.47 | rgr | ultra: think about it. |
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| 07:02.01 | ultra | rgr, I do not know WHAT sudo I need so I gave all |
| 07:02.04 | rgr | if you stop X in an x session..... |
| 07:02.15 | ultra | rgr, im blackscreened? :D |
| 07:03.39 | ultra | kk going to install that drivers |
| 07:03.41 | ultra | cya! |
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| 07:04.08 | ultra | oh |
| 07:04.35 | ultra | jelly-home, youve told me about dpkg, but it says its for Sqeeze, Im Wheezy |
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| 07:06.46 | somiaj | companion: runlevel 1 is single user (which is good for maitence). 2-5 are all the same by default (all multiuser) |
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| 07:08.12 | companion | somiaj, thanks |
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| 07:14.49 | honu | Weiß jemand zufällig woher das "+" im Kernelname (uname -a) ist ein + anhängig "3.2.28blabla-foo+". In .config ist CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="blabla-foo" gesetzt. ... Ich will doch kein "+" :-( (depmod fällt da nämlich auf die Nase weil module in dieser ollen distri in nem verzeichnis ohne das "+" abgelegt werden...) |
| 07:15.06 | honu | sry, ... english only |
| 07:15.28 | honu | Does anyone know where the "+" char in the kernel-name-string comes from? |
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| 07:44.28 | _droid | hi people, my english is not that good and have some questions about approx. i wanted to know about the konfig parameter $max_redirects and $max_wait what they exactly mean |
| 07:44.51 | jelly-home | honu: what does the Makefile look like? Are you using make-kpkg? |
| 07:45.23 | jelly-home | I have no idea why that + is there |
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| 07:47.30 | _droid | does $max_redirect represent the number of multiple downloads/updates it will serve? |
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| 07:48.48 | setuid | I'm trying to get ext4 working in Squeeze, without much luck. I've converted the fs, fsck'd it, all works under KNOPPIX, but it refuses to boot. Can I get some help here? |
| 07:49.01 | setuid | I've added the ext4 bits to /etc/default/grub and /etc/fstab, it just doesn't want to boot |
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| 07:55.01 | setuid | dpkg ext4? |
| 07:55.01 | dpkg | ext4 (fourth extended filesystem) supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents, available since Linux 2.6.28. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. ext4 is not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121) and not the default filesystem in Squeeze (Debian bug #603084). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 and #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:55.41 | zetheroo | well I am back again ... with the same issue as before - Debian spitting the dummy when attempting to install GRUB on a RAID configuration's MBR |
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| 08:20.56 | tjadc | Hello, how would I go about creating a process that can be controlled by a particular group ? |
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| 08:22.08 | nevyn | what does controlled mean? |
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| 08:27.40 | grump | He's talking about access to processes the way users, groups and everybody else have access to files. |
| 08:28.17 | grump | The example he gave was to enable *any* member of a particular group to kill a specified process. |
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| 08:29.51 | tjadc | thanks |
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| 08:30.17 | nevyn | you'd need to do it with a script and setgid. |
| 08:30.48 | nevyn | so you have a startprocess.sh stopprocess.sh executable by the group and setuid the owner of the process. |
| 08:31.03 | DeusEx | hello |
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| 08:32.03 | tjadc | nevyn: Ok, thanks, will take a look at that approach |
| 08:32.51 | nevyn | tjadc: and disallow the group from running the actual binary |
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| 09:01.08 | hex20deb | Hey people, I'm trying to compress a folder using tar command and when I do 'tar -czvf file.zip directory' I get the zipped file but every single file inside the directory gets compressed as well. |
| 09:01.15 | hex20deb | How do I only compress the folder? |
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| 09:01.23 | hex20deb | Also, why is this even happening? |
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| 09:02.20 | cthuluh | huh |
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| 09:03.03 | cthuluh | hex20deb: tar and gzip aren't zip, hence you shouldn't use file.zip as a name for a gzipped tar archive |
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| 09:03.07 | Aha2Y | Hello. |
| 09:03.15 | Aha2Y | I got a issue. "-bash: /etc/init.d/iptables: No such file or directory |
| 09:03.15 | Aha2Y | " |
| 09:03.23 | Aha2Y | How can i open a port? o.0 |
| 09:03.45 | hex20deb | cthuluh: I did change it around a bit, and named it tgz or tar.gz |
| 09:03.46 | cthuluh | hex20deb: about your question, this is just the default behaviour of tar. just use an empty dir if you want an archive containing an empty directory |
| 09:03.49 | hex20deb | Still the same. |
| 09:04.08 | hex20deb | cthuluh: You're not understanding my concern. |
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| 09:04.34 | cthuluh | well, I'm happy to hear that |
| 09:04.37 | gh0st3r | new laptop... |
| 09:04.47 | jelly | Aha2Y: debian has no local firewall by default. |
| 09:04.52 | gh0st3r | put backports on it and install both the image-kernel-3.2.0 64 bit packages... |
| 09:05.01 | gh0st3r | i can boot from the 2.6.x kernels |
| 09:05.07 | hex20deb | cthuluh: It makes every file inside the dir as "file1.gz" "file2.gz" etc. |
| 09:05.08 | gh0st3r | but i can boot from any 3.2.x images |
| 09:05.09 | Aha2Y | Jelly, But i installed UnrealIRCD and port 6667 seems to be closed. |
| 09:05.20 | jelly | Aha2Y: thus, if you have any iptables settings in place you're going to have to figure it out what put them there |
| 09:05.27 | gh0st3r | when i load from them and its mean't to load x, it instead just displays white noise |
| 09:05.28 | hex20deb | cthuluh: When all I want it just one archived folder containing all the files regularly . |
| 09:05.29 | cthuluh | hex20deb: it shouldn't |
| 09:05.39 | gh0st3r | any ideas? |
| 09:05.47 | gh0st3r | do i need a new version of x or something? |
| 09:05.53 | Aha2Y | Jelly, Its there by default as the vps is kinda new. |
| 09:06.17 | jelly | Aha2Y: again, it's not debian that put em there. |
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| 09:07.11 | hex20deb | cthuluh: testdir/ |
| 09:07.11 | hex20deb | testdir/text2.gz |
| 09:07.11 | hex20deb | testdir/text1.gz |
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| 09:07.27 | hex20deb | This is quite annoying. |
| 09:07.43 | berarma | hex20deb: what's the exact command-line? |
| 09:07.52 | ChrisH | hex20deb: tar is not expected to touch any file inside directory! Can you pastebin the output from : tar cvzf file.tar.gz directory ; ls -l directroy ; tar tvzf file.tar.gz |
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| 09:08.31 | hex20deb | ChrisH: berarma: Yeah, one sec. |
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| 09:12.42 | hex20deb | ChrisH: berarma: cthulluh: Nevermind, fixed it. |
| 09:13.17 | berarma | hex20deb: can we know how? |
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| 09:13.38 | hex20deb | My fault, I had previously by accident archived the files inside the folder and didn't notice and then when archived the folder again it simply took the archived files with it. |
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| 09:13.46 | hex20deb | So yeah, stupid me. |
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| 09:14.42 | berarma | hex20deb: now you know how important is double-checking :) |
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| 09:14.52 | hex20deb | berarma: I sure do. |
| 09:14.55 | hex20deb | Thank you =D |
| 09:15.13 | blackshirt | goods |
| 09:15.29 | bwf | hey |
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| 09:15.40 | blackshirt | hey bwf |
| 09:15.46 | bwf | can anyone tell me how to use find to just search for directories? |
| 09:15.48 | ChrisH | hex20deb: OK... anything else would have been the first time tar is doing weird things. |
| 09:15.49 | hex20deb | It only happened because I didn't even know the command to use tar, so I messed around with it and ended up compressing all the files, haha |
| 09:15.59 | ChrisH | bwf: find . -type d |
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| 09:16.05 | bwf | doh |
| 09:16.09 | bwf | Ty |
| 09:16.14 | blackshirt | type d for direcories bwf |
| 09:16.24 | bwf | i feel like a moron |
| 09:16.26 | bwf | thank you though |
| 09:16.37 | ChrisH | hex20deb: ask next time earlier.... :) |
| 09:16.48 | hex20deb | ChrisH: I like experimenting. |
| 09:16.53 | hex20deb | Then googling. |
| 09:16.58 | hex20deb | And only if all goes wrong. |
| 09:16.59 | hex20deb | I ask. |
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| 09:17.09 | cali | dictionaries-common is broken in testing O_o |
| 09:17.38 | blackshirt | that was very auto didacted guys |
| 09:18.06 | hex20deb | When you get your answers served on golden spoon straight to your mouth without even trying you never learn, ChrisH |
| 09:18.23 | hex20deb | IMHO |
| 09:18.57 | ChrisH | as we are just in asking.... I know I did ask that before but.... My KDE4 forgets the dual-head config every restart. Last time someone suggested a command instead of the GUI way to fix it... what was the name? |
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| 09:20.12 | hex20deb | ChrisH: Now, to 'zip' a dir or 'rar'? How do I do that? |
| 09:20.23 | linuxuz3r | later guys |
| 09:20.27 | linuxuz3r | good night |
| 09:20.29 | hex20deb | Same command? replacing tar.gz with rar? |
| 09:20.51 | blackshirt | good evening |
| 09:21.02 | blackshirt | Jun unrar |
| 09:21.09 | blackshirt | Just unrar |
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| 09:21.54 | ChrisH | hex20deb: neither zip nor rar are best practice on UNIXish systems. Use tar with gzip or bzip; well tested and portable over many platforms. |
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| 09:22.44 | hex20deb | ChrisH: Alright, thanks. |
| 09:22.51 | lcc | anyone have a grub.cfg handy? |
| 09:23.20 | lcc | would you mind pasting it for me? |
| 09:23.23 | blackshirt | what the problem lcc? |
| 09:23.45 | lcc | blackshirt: I have debian linux|debian kfreebsd|minix triple booted. |
| 09:23.52 | lcc | I need the config to boot linux |
| 09:24.03 | lcc | it's booting from kfreebsd. |
| 09:24.46 | lcc | I can't remember the exact kernel number for booting. for 6.0.5 |
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| 09:25.37 | blackshirt | lcc, that was not a big problems |
| 09:26.16 | Sm0ke0ut | http://pastebin.com/mSUJMLAs |
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| 09:28.22 | lcc | thanks |
| 09:29.49 | colo-work | anyone installed the latest pgsql packages from debian security yet? I wonder why there hasn't been an announcement yet... |
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| 09:32.23 | blackshirt | what you mena with announcement ? |
| 09:32.52 | blackshirt | mean |
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| 09:40.48 | zetheroo | Ok this is really getting to me ... I have been trying every possible partitioning scheme that would allow GRUB to install in a RAID1 setup with Debian, but nothing I do works!! I can get this to work in a VM fine, but not on a brand new Proliant Server! |
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| 09:43.13 | zetheroo | Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda. |
| 09:43.13 | zetheroo | Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. |
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| 09:44.53 | Vibe | I had same.. |
| 09:45.12 | zetheroo | this is a simple RAID1 configuration - what gives?! |
| 09:45.14 | ChrisH | zetheroo: you did not follow this strange Ubuntu idea? Please pastebin fdisk -l /dev/sda and cat /proc/mdstat if possible. Can you run the grub-install on a seperate terminal (ALT-F3) and pastbin that too? |
| 09:45.27 | gh0st3r | seriously |
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| 09:45.32 | Vibe | zetheroo: what image? |
| 09:45.47 | gh0st3r | my debian 6 install, once i upgraded to the 3.2.0 backports, x just gives me a really dodgey bitmap, which looks like white noise |
| 09:45.53 | gh0st3r | any way I can fix this? |
| 09:45.58 | gh0st3r | HP Pav G6 |
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| 09:46.53 | zetheroo | ChrisH: how do I give you all that information? I cannot boot into the system - and even if I could ... it in on another machine ... how do I give you the info?> |
| 09:47.20 | Vibe | seperate terminal (ALT-F3) |
| 09:47.36 | zetheroo | ok ... but I get the output ... then what? |
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| 09:48.12 | Vibe | take photo of it and upload to Internet |
| 09:48.18 | zetheroo | hmmm ... |
| 09:48.18 | ChrisH | zetheroo: during installation you can enablen network-sshd and connect from another box... ILO? |
| 09:48.21 | Vibe | if you can't copy it |
| 09:48.38 | ChrisH | Photo is another way... |
| 09:48.45 | zetheroo | I don't think there is any way to copy it :P |
| 09:48.51 | zetheroo | I'll try the photo method |
| 09:49.46 | zetheroo | cannot switch to another terminal |
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| 09:50.01 | zetheroo | maybe because I am doing the graphical install ?! |
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| 09:50.44 | ultra | Hi in GNOME 3 Google Chrome keeps prompting about beeing default browser - in system Emphaty (WWW in programs list) is the deafult one. How to change it in Weezy? |
| 09:50.52 | zetheroo | ok hang on ... I got to Execute a shell |
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| 09:56.11 | ultra | How to set default system web browser? |
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| 09:57.13 | ChrisH | What happens if I remove or null my 83MB panacea.dat |
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| 09:57.27 | ChrisH | icedove takes 30-60min to start |
| 09:57.28 | nkuttler | ultra: man update-alternatives, x-www-browser |
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| 10:02.02 | ultra | nkuttler, $ sudo update-alternatives –config x-www-browserer |
| 10:02.03 | ultra | update-alternatives: error: unknown argument `–config' |
| 10:03.20 | zetheroo | ChrisH: http://tinypic.com/r/wv8sa8/6 |
| 10:03.24 | Sevet | ultra: i think it's --config |
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| 10:03.58 | zetheroo | ChrisH: http://tinypic.com/r/2whqc0x/6 |
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| 10:06.07 | ultra | Sevet, Its Google chrome! but it keeps prompting from time to time (when I open Epiphany it defaults automaticly ;/) |
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| 10:08.21 | ChrisH | zetheroo: Can I assume you are in a ddebian installer? The fdisk -l looks strange to me, but I am not yet used to GPT. mdstat looks fine... can you grub-install sdb or sda1/sbd1 are they look like planned to be the /boot |
| 10:08.40 | zetheroo | ChisH: yes, I am in the installer |
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| 10:09.57 | jargon- | i keep getting this error: WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/dayo/.cache/keyring-9FyCGE/pkcs11: No such file or directory. |
| 10:10.00 | jargon- | even after rebooting |
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| 10:12.18 | zetheroo | grub-install command not found |
| 10:12.28 | zetheroo | ChrisH ^ |
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| 10:12.49 | ultra | How to completly remove Epiphay browser? |
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| 10:14.39 | ChrisH | zetheroo: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Jun 8 02:21 /usr/sbin/grub-install -> ../lib/grub/i386-pc/grub-install |
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| 10:16.39 | zetheroo | is that a command? :) |
| 10:17.34 | colo-work | hmm, compiz isn't in wheezy, now is it? |
| 10:17.54 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:18.09 | ChrisH | zetheroo: thats the output from ls -l ... so grub install is in /usr/sbin it might be below the mountpoint for the new disk; check df -h output. |
| 10:18.24 | Sevet | ,v compiz |
| 10:18.25 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
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| 10:19.11 | Sevet | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864 |
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| 10:22.49 | zetheroo | ChrisH: Sorry not getting it. If I cd into /target (which is /dev/md1) and perform grub-install it outputs: /bin/sh: grub-install: not found |
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| 10:23.31 | FDFlock | Are there any Gnome-shell / Gnome3 alternatives that are going to be in the "official" Wheezy repos? Cinnamon/MATE etc. I'm going to install Wheezy and, frankly, the mess that is Gnome3 is holding me back... |
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| 10:23.53 | ChrisH | zetheroo: try a chroot /target /bin/bash and grub-install from inside |
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| 10:25.13 | FDFlock | zetheroo, ChrisH : If he does that, he'll need to 'mount --bind' /proc and /dev first |
| 10:25.51 | FDFlock | Also, has anyone tried Cinnamon? I have a simple question, is having a 2-panel configuration possible? |
| 10:26.03 | zetheroo | ChrisH: ok, I am not at root@luna:/# |
| 10:26.35 | ChrisH | FDFlock: mount --bind from inside the chroot env? I assume yes |
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| 10:27.31 | zetheroo | ChrisH: should I do grub-install /dev/sda1 ? |
| 10:27.51 | FDFlock | ChrisH: From outside, before chrooting, I think... not sure right now |
| 10:28.05 | FDFlock | It's been years since the last time I needed that |
| 10:28.16 | zetheroo | ChrisH: or rather grub-install /dev/md1 ? |
| 10:28.38 | FDFlock | Also, for GPT there's always "gdisk" |
| 10:28.47 | FDFlock | Not sure if it is available |
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| 10:29.14 | ChrisH | zetheroo: as you see.... give the grub-install /dev/md1 a shot.. if it fails we need to figure out the bind-mounts |
| 10:29.26 | zetheroo | ok |
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| 10:30.16 | FDFlock | It's /proc /dev and maybe /sys that need to be mounted that way |
| 10:32.05 | ultra | System > Details > Default programs > WWW - how to add Google Chrome there? |
| 10:32.11 | FDFlock | zetheroo: See the example at the end of this page: https://fermilinux.fnal.gov/documentation/tips/mount-bind-chroot |
| 10:33.05 | ChrisH | FDFlock: ahh.. makes sense |
| 10:33.20 | FDFlock | zetheroo: I haven't tested these particular instructions but I have done almost the same in the past, successfully. |
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| 10:35.54 | zetheroo | ChrisH: http://tinypic.com/r/2wmpgzs/6 |
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| 10:38.32 | FDFlock | zetheroo: You probably need an additional very small (4MB is OK) GPT partition at the start of the disk, with partition type "EF02" |
| 10:38.54 | FDFlock | zetheroo: aka "BIOS boot" according to parted terminology |
| 10:39.09 | zetheroo | FDFlock: so does this mean I have to redo the entire install again? |
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| 10:40.07 | FDFlock | No idea, I think you can actually create it AFTER the other partitions if you have even a bit of free space |
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| 10:40.17 | FDFlock | no guarantees |
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| 10:40.33 | whatsyourname | How to install debian on windows? |
| 10:40.45 | format_c | ?? |
| 10:40.46 | gnarface | !goodbye-windows |
| 10:40.50 | gnarface | hmm |
| 10:40.51 | gnarface | nope |
| 10:40.53 | ChrisH | shpouldn't it be sufficient to tar the content of /boot and shrink the partitions for /boot and manually recreate the md1 and restore the boot content? |
| 10:41.08 | FDFlock | whatsyourname: ?!? In a virtual machine, perhaps? |
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| 10:41.39 | whatsyourname | FDFlock: Sorry, I am very good at computers. |
| 10:41.47 | Smackintheface | DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY I SEEM TO BE UNABLE TO UNINSTALL DEBIAN? I HAVE THE BOOT LOADER INSTALLED AND CANNOT REMOVE IT? -.- |
| 10:41.47 | ChrisH | not on WIndows but over windows; which might be the solution to all windows problems |
| 10:41.49 | zetheroo | FDFlock: ok, well there is no more space ... maybe a few KB ... so I will have to restart the install ... this better work :P |
| 10:41.54 | ultra | whatsyourname, You want have 2 systems on one machine? |
| 10:42.02 | gnarface | hey so, when i use mplayer/mencoder my tv tuner's raw output devices i have audio sync problems, but when i just use it on the video and play the audio with a separate program (aplay for example) everything plays fine... what am i missing here? |
| 10:42.03 | whatsyourname | FDFlock: I just want to run windows first and then choose to run this distro. |
| 10:42.32 | FDFlock | zetheroo: Please see my link above if you ever need chrooting, it's useful |
| 10:42.37 | ultra | whatsyourname, Victual Machine - ever heard of? |
| 10:42.53 | whatsyourname | ultra: No, but I am trying to google it. |
| 10:42.54 | FDFlock | zetheroo: Also! http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/hybrid.html and the other pages of that site |
| 10:43.10 | FDFlock | zetheroo: Lots of info about GPT |
| 10:43.39 | FDFlock | zetheroo: You ONLY need a hybrid MBR, though, if you are also going to install Windows |
| 10:43.45 | ultra | whatsyourname, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjINPAnwQoA |
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| 10:44.07 | ultra | whatsyourname, jsut mix debian windows virtual in google |
| 10:44.21 | whatsyourname | Okay |
| 10:44.24 | ultra | ;-) |
| 10:44.42 | whatsyourname | Thanks for your help :P |
| 10:44.48 | ultra | np! |
| 10:44.49 | ultra | GNOME: System > Details > Default programs > WWW - how to add Google Chrome there? |
| 10:44.54 | FDFlock | whatsyourname: Use one of the free versions of VMware for a Windows host. Even better, install Debian natively. Since you are "very good at computers" it will be very easy |
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| 10:45.05 | FDFlock | whatsyourname: Seriously, it IS easy |
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| 10:45.46 | whatsyourname | FDFlock: You gotta be kidding me for your saying that "very good at computers" :P |
| 10:45.48 | Smackintheface | DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY I SEEM TO BE UNABLE TO UNINSTALL DEBIAN? I HAVE THE BOOT LOADER INSTALLED AND CANNOT REMOVE IT? -.- |
| 10:45.49 | FDFlock | whatsyourname: But trying it first inside VMware will be safer :) |
| 10:45.59 | whatsyourname | FDFlock: Alright, I will take your advice. |
| 10:46.20 | jelly | Smackintheface: your caps lock is broken and that interferes with your commands. |
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| 10:46.52 | FDFlock | whatsyourname: If you choose VMware (instead of, let's say, Virtualhost etc.) do not use VMware Player; prefer the free version of VMware Server ;) |
| 10:47.27 | Smackintheface | JELLY: SO DO YOU KNOW HOW I CAN UNINSTALL THE DEBIAN BOOTLOADER? |
| 10:48.10 | jelly | yes, but I'll stop talking to you know since I'm not allowed to feed trolls |
| 10:48.12 | berarma | Smackintheface: please, don't use uppercas |
| 10:48.13 | jelly | derp |
| 10:48.22 | WinstonSmith_ | herp |
| 10:48.36 | FDFlock | whatsyourname: Keep in mind that the true power and speed of Linux are only evident in a native installation. Use VMware to try it, but after that install it normally. Read a bit about partitioning, though, to avoid accidents. |
| 10:48.41 | Smackintheface | jelly: ok i am sorry, please could you help me? :( |
| 10:49.14 | jelly | Smackintheface: you don't uninstall the boot loader at all. Instead, you just install a new boot loader from your remaining OS. |
| 10:49.22 | berarma | Smackintheface: a bootloader shouldn't be uninstalled, you have to install another bootloader of your preference |
| 10:49.27 | FDFlock | whatsyourname: Erg, I wanted to write Virtualbox, not Virtualhost |
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| 10:49.56 | jelly | Smackintheface: if it's a Windows installation, ask in ##windows how to do that |
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| 10:50.54 | heikki_ | hello. i deleted my mail.* log tiles, and now they don't come back |
| 10:50.59 | heikki_ | mysql+dovecot |
| 10:51.00 | Smackintheface | okp |
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| 10:51.05 | heikki_ | i mean postfix+dovecot |
| 10:51.08 | FDFlock | Has anyone tried Cinnamon? |
| 10:51.27 | heikki_ | even if i restart those, i can't see anything in the logs |
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| 10:51.33 | FDFlock | guesses not :( |
| 10:51.44 | cali | I am getting "conflicting package", how can I getmore infos about the error? (dpkg) |
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| 10:52.43 | heikki_ | hello, can i run postfix or dovecot in a mode that the log comes to the terminal? |
| 10:52.55 | heikki_ | oh, double hello, but anyhows |
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| 10:55.24 | Smackintheface | ah why is MacOS X so shit? |
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| 10:57.50 | whatsyourname | FDFlock: I know nothing about programming, do you think I could handle linux well? |
| 10:57.50 | ChrisH | heikki_: if they get written via syslog, you need to touch and chown/chmod them..restart/HUP syslog and your logs should be written again |
| 10:58.31 | heikki_ | rsyslog ? |
| 10:59.16 | ChrisH | heikki_: what ever syslog you are using. |
| 10:59.29 | heikki_ | ok, works, thanks a lot |
| 11:00.00 | jelly | Smackintheface: try the #MacOSX channel, then |
| 11:00.20 | Smackintheface | jelly: good idea init |
| 11:00.35 | Smackintheface | My stuff wont print |
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| 11:08.17 | jelly | !ops Smackintheface troll |
| 11:08.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly complains about: Smackintheface troll |
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| 11:08.36 | ChrisH | zetheroo: My colleague worked around our problem using the HW Raid to get a 50GB Mirror for the OS; and around 5TB with GPT label for data. Any it looks like the Disk is small enough to use MBR partition layout. |
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| 11:08.56 | Smackintheface | jelly: Not here... |
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| 11:15.25 | Smackintheface | I have the biggest hairiest ***** in all of the UK and I have grown my pubic hair down to my ankles. I tie my pubic hair with five goat bells that jingle jangle all day long. I LOVE coming the USA and giving all you Yanks the middle finger. Come lick me in my hairy places...I have fleas..:D |
| 11:15.30 | Smackintheface | I have the biggest hairiest ***** in all of the UK and I have grown my pubic hair down to my ankles. I tie my pubic hair with five goat bells that jingle jangle all day long. I LOVE coming the USA and giving all you Yanks the middle finger. Come lick me in my hairy places...I have fleas..:D |
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| 11:15.49 | Smackintheface | :D |
| 11:16.35 | Smackintheface | I have the biggest hairiest ***** in all of the UK and I have grown my pubic hair down to my ankles. I tie my pubic hair with five goat bells that jingle jangle all day long. I LOVE coming the USA and giving all you Yanks the middle finger. Come lick me in my hairy places...I have fleas..:D |
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| 11:18.40 | RichiH | jelly: ta |
| 11:18.50 | Shadow` | okay, so i just installed a clean fresh and basic Debian I downloaded today from debian.org |
| 11:18.59 | Shadow` | added SSH port 22 to iptables for LAN IP's |
| 11:19.09 | Shadow` | still cant SSH to it, any idea what i could be? |
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| 11:19.37 | zetheroo | I cannot even get rid of the RAID swap partition ... says they are in use |
| 11:19.40 | berarma | Shadow`: have you installed ssh-server? |
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| 11:20.04 | Shadow` | i might've skipped that, i did a bare install, doesnt come with ssh-server? |
| 11:20.41 | Shadow` | thought it would, well back into the server room for me :D |
| 11:20.45 | Shadow` | thanks |
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| 11:22.43 | berarma | Shadow`: np |
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| 11:23.21 | Shadow` | ah yeah, installed openssh-server and it works, cheers berarma |
| 11:25.04 | Shadow` | at least one of our servers is debian now, ubuntu stinks for a server >.> |
| 11:25.14 | tabakhase | hi there |
| 11:25.32 | tabakhase | is there a "watch" that dose not post the ClearScreen command in the beginning? |
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| 11:26.23 | Sevet | Shadow`: debian installer has a SSH Server task, but it's optional and not a default |
| 11:27.02 | Sevet | ( for future reference since you've installed openssh-server now :) ) |
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| 11:27.22 | Shadow` | yeah the 'optional' list stuff, i skipped all that |
| 11:28.27 | thewanderer1 | tabakhase: if you want to execute a command in a loop: while true; do .....; done; |
| 11:29.57 | tabakhase | thewanderer1 thats what i had in mind, but it seems kind of impossible hacking in the --diffrences switch then... |
| 11:30.00 | oskie | is it required in wheezy that /tmp be tmpfs? |
| 11:30.35 | ChrisH | oskie: no... I have a lvTemp in place |
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| 11:31.13 | ChrisH | oskie: but df -h still shows: tmpfs 9,3G 269M 8,6G 3% /tmp |
| 11:31.17 | oskie | how can I make sure /tmp is not a tmpfs, but rather a regular file system? I need somewhere to place large files temporary |
| 11:31.28 | thewanderer1 | tabakhase: you could store the old value and diff that on every run... |
| 11:32.23 | Sevet | oskie: you might be able to run the program with a TMPDIR environment variable to get it to store the files elsewhere |
| 11:32.38 | oskie | Sevet:I foudn it... /etc/default/rcS |
| 11:32.38 | ChrisH | oskie: and /dev/mapper/vg00-lvTmp 9,3G 269M 8,6G 3% /tmp |
| 11:33.11 | ChrisH | so, putting the lv into fstab (as the installer does) works as you expect it to work. |
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| 11:34.17 | oskie | ChrisH: heh ok |
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| 11:36.41 | tabakhase | thewanderer1 thats what im gone do... mew =( |
| 11:36.50 | tabakhase | thx for pinpointing |
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| 11:36.54 | oggei | hi |
| 11:37.52 | netecho | how difficult is it to have debian connect to network drives in a Windows server environment? |
| 11:38.29 | aeternum_solus | easy |
| 11:38.33 | netecho | perfect |
| 11:38.45 | netecho | I'm toying with the idea of switching my work system to deb |
| 11:39.04 | aeternum_solus | what type is it? nfs? cifs? |
| 11:39.26 | netecho | run windows in a VM for the stuff that requires windows, aeternum_solus I'm not 100% sure |
| 11:39.34 | benedikt | I'm trying to install wheezy on a debian laptop, but this happens when i try to start X: http://pastebin.com/Z7UFvp1B. Its worth noting that i have to pass "i915.modeset=0" to the kernel when booting, else I get a black screen. |
| 11:39.36 | ChrisH | netecho: depending on your definition of difficult... Desktop is easier then server.... use network manaegr to mount from windows in smb |
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| 11:40.47 | netecho | ChrisH: it's running on a server I have no access to, I know we have to map the drives on our windows systems, so I just wasn't sure if it was that simple on debian, we use paths like \\EASTONSSUD\everyone mind you |
| 11:41.19 | ChrisH | netecho: that easy. |
| 11:41.26 | netecho | :D |
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| 11:42.04 | netecho | k next quesiton, hows the support for the Radeon HD 6530D? I've heard horror stories when you get into ATI graphics |
| 11:42.13 | c00kiemon5ter | hi all |
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| 11:42.59 | c00kiemon5ter | if I get a hard drive and install debian on it, and then move the hard drive to another machine, will the installation work provided that both machines are i686 ? |
| 11:43.21 | frostschutz | c00kiemon5ter: usually yes |
| 11:43.24 | c00kiemon5ter | ie, is a debian installation "machine agnostic" ? |
| 11:43.24 | netecho | c00kiemon5ter: as long as all the drivers are loaded |
| 11:43.33 | zetheroo | can softraid be configured after debian has been installed? |
| 11:43.38 | c00kiemon5ter | nice :) |
| 11:43.48 | c00kiemon5ter | so I guess it's worth a try :) |
| 11:43.52 | netecho | c00kiemon5ter: I know in the expert net install you can choose a targeted install or generic install, targeted loads only required drivers |
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| 11:44.03 | frostschutz | zetheroo: it's better to do it beforehand |
| 11:44.13 | ChrisH | zetheroo: for data drives yes... for root its ugly... |
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| 11:44.34 | c00kiemon5ter | will look into it :) |
| 11:44.43 | engla | you'd need to make sure you have a fat initrd (all modules) I guess |
| 11:44.49 | engla | but that's the default |
| 11:44.54 | shlafrock | hi guys i'm looking for an irc channel for web(lamp) server admin stuff .. anyone help ? |
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| 11:45.09 | zetheroo | ChrisH: well I am trying Ubuntu Server out on this system to see how it does with RAID1 ... |
| 11:45.14 | frostschutz | shlafrock: #web, #httpd, ...? |
| 11:46.14 | ChrisH | zetheroo: I .... no I do say anything on Ubuntu and server in the same sentence :) |
| 11:46.22 | Silence- | shlafrock: #php#, #mysql, #apache, #linux ? |
| 11:46.45 | zetheroo | ChrisH: sorry? |
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| 11:49.04 | ChrisH | zetheroo: Ubuntu is a desktop system to me. I never used it as server system. |
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| 11:49.11 | jelly | c00kiemon5ter: fwiw, I've moved my home deban installation across 4-5 hardware platforms so far |
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| 11:50.03 | zetheroo | ChrisH: well they have a server release as well you know ... ;) |
| 11:50.17 | c00kiemon5ter | jelly sweet ;) |
| 11:50.40 | c00kiemon5ter | this should probably work, and it'll save lots of hussle in my part |
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| 11:52.46 | Sevet | zetheroo: re softraid post-install... depends whether you want to add a raid partition mounted somewhere, or move / onto raid |
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| 11:53.16 | Sevet | adding one is easy, moving / onto one would be harder |
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| 11:53.46 | ChrisH | zetheroo: I know... but that does not change anything to my previuos writing. |
| 11:54.02 | tabakhase | ok, now i want to read http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/cpu-freq/cpufreq-stats.txt but the "stats" folder is missing in one of my hosts |
| 11:54.19 | tabakhase | and the howTo on 3 dosnt help me any further |
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| 11:54.50 | shlafrock | hi, anyone familiar with awstats ? |
| 11:54.55 | FDFlock | Has anyone tried Cinnamon? Is it going to be in Wheezy? |
| 11:54.57 | zetheroo | Sevet: I am just clawing at the walls with frustration right now - I don't understand how Debian is so superior and held in such high esteem when it fails to produce basic results such as installing to a RAID1 config ... !! |
| 11:55.16 | zetheroo | Sevet: I have been at this for 6 days now :P |
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| 11:56.25 | zetheroo | Sevet: and the closest I have gotten is being told that 'maybe' I need a BIOS partition ... then when I try to remove the previously created RAID devices Debian again refuses to allow this ... |
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| 11:56.56 | FDFlock | zetheroo: Ouch! Debian has an excellent text-mode installer that I've tried on various hardware over the years without any problems, but no RAID1 yet (I'm still planning it!)... :S |
| 11:57.06 | abrotman | zetheroo: had that happen, turned out to be a buggy controller |
| 11:57.25 | zetheroo | Sevet: is it better to maybe go with Debian Sid which has a slightly more up-to-date kernel instead of Squeeze with it's antiquated one? |
| 11:57.34 | abrotman | uh .. no |
| 11:57.34 | FDFlock | zetheroo: If it is any consolation, once it gets (properly!) installed, it'll Just Work (TM) for years |
| 11:57.55 | abrotman | zetheroo: have you tried the kmuto installers? the wheezy installer? |
| 11:58.05 | abrotman | if this is for a production machine, using sid is not an option |
| 11:58.13 | zetheroo | abrotman: well, lets see what Ubuntu Server does with this ... going to try to install GRUB now! |
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| 11:59.14 | yalu | hi hi, I removed some disks from my system (virtual machine on vmware) but the device nodes don't automatically disappear. Is that expected behaviour, or can I make them disappear, magically? with udevadm?? |
| 11:59.41 | zetheroo | abrotman: why should I have to try out a dozen installers and several dozen partitioning configurations etc? ... Ubuntu Server has installed GRUB on my RAID1 config without batting an eyelid! |
| 11:59.51 | ManoftheSea | zetheroo: Are you wedded to the installer? Do you know how to use a liveCD to configure and install? |
| 11:59.55 | abrotman | zetheroo: it also uses completely different software .. |
| 12:00.01 | Sevet | zetheroo: use 2.6 in squeeze unless there's something you need in a newer kernel, in which case use 3.2 from squeeze-backports |
| 12:00.11 | Sevet | never mix distributions if you can help it |
| 12:00.31 | abrotman | no .. just don't do it |
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| 12:00.45 | zetheroo | Ubuntu Server has installed GRUB on my RAID1 config without batting an eyelid! |
| 12:00.55 | FDFlock | zetheroo: Ubuntu server used to use the Debian installer! (I don't know about now) |
| 12:00.56 | zetheroo | Debian fails! |
| 12:01.05 | themill | zetheroo trolls! |
| 12:01.06 | berarma | zetheroo: file a bug |
| 12:01.13 | abrotman | they're different versions of *everything* |
| 12:01.15 | abrotman | jesus .. |
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| 12:01.25 | Sevet | (and i've never had a problem with software raid1 in d-i myself) |
| 12:01.26 | ChrisH | zetheroo: I will get 2 2TB Disk soon (hoppefully) and will test with GPT soon. I still believe its the GPT which make grub unhappy. And I have installed 10+ systems using Raids for OS without any problems. But non witrh 2TB Disks. |
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| 12:01.32 | FDFlock | themill: He does not, he's trying to solve a problem and shouldn't be mocked for that. |
| 12:01.46 | abrotman | might help if he were getting sane advice .. |
| 12:01.53 | jelly | zetheroo: good. use ubuntu, have fun. |
| 12:02.02 | ManoftheSea | Grub works with GPT. You may need 1.99 (in testing). I'm using 2.00 (self-modified) |
| 12:02.10 | jelly | problem solved |
| 12:02.11 | FDFlock | WOW, stop trolling him. This is ridiculous |
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| 12:02.48 | zetheroo | ChrisH: but why should Debian have issues with GPT and Ubuntu not? Doesn't this just come down to Debian Squeeze using an old and out-dated kernel? |
| 12:03.05 | abrotman | zetheroo: do you realize that Debian and Ubuntu are not the same distro? |
| 12:03.15 | abrotman | i don't understand why this might be confusing? |
| 12:03.21 | FDFlock | zetheroo: He is what I would do: I'd use another tool for partitioning (don't forget that "BIOS boot" 4MB thing!) and THEN I would use the installer on top of that. |
| 12:03.22 | jelly | zetheroo: probably comes to using an old and outdated installer |
| 12:03.22 | ManoftheSea | the kernel shouldn't matter with GPT or not. |
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| 12:04.00 | FDFlock | zetheroo: gdisk os OK for GPT, but you should make sure that it aligns the partitions properly |
| 12:04.09 | zetheroo | abrotman: I am not going to get into that - I have seen enough to convince me that what works in one usually works in the other ... of course they are technically not the same distro - nuf said |
| 12:04.25 | FDFlock | zetheroo: Its default value is 1MB (I think) which should be ok |
| 12:04.44 | abrotman | zetheroo: sorry, you're wrong |
| 12:05.04 | zetheroo | Sevet: is it possible to download an install image of Squeeze which has a newer kernel already rolled into it? |
| 12:05.14 | berarma | zetheroo: have you come here to get advice or to give us advice? |
| 12:05.23 | zetheroo | abrotman: savvy, I don't want to argue about it ;) |
| 12:05.37 | abrotman | zetheroo: squeeze was released over a year before 12.04 .. things completely change in that time |
| 12:05.48 | Sevet | zetheroo: naturally squeeze is getting a little old now - wheezy has started the march towards its release as it's in feature freeze now |
| 12:05.48 | abrotman | zetheroo: no argument, you're wrong :) |
| 12:05.53 | Sevet | ubuntu uses newer versions of everything. sometimes that means better support for x or bug y fixed, other times it means less stability |
| 12:06.06 | abrotman | anyway .. are we still having a problem with Debian ? |
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| 12:06.30 | benedikt | abrotman: yes. |
| 12:06.33 | zetheroo | abrotman: I just had someone from this channel tell me yesterday that the issue I am having is a direct result of Squeeze using a much older kernel than Ubuntu Server... |
| 12:07.00 | abrotman | zetheroo: so you're agreeing they're different, thank you |
| 12:07.54 | zetheroo | Sevet: I hear you - I am just wondering if I can download a install image of Squeeze with a newer kernel rolled into it ... |
| 12:07.56 | themill | zetheroo: installing with a different kernel is trivial and you've been told how to do that quite easily. I doubt that changes the rest of your situation though |
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| 12:08.54 | benedikt | abrotman: i was talking to you yesterday. here is some more info on my issue: http://pastebin.com/Z7UFvp1B |
| 12:09.05 | zetheroo | abrotman: I said it a while ago - (02:04:08 PM) zetheroo: abrotman: of course they are technically not the same distro - now pls stop harping on this |
| 12:09.26 | abrotman | i'm not the one that claimed they were teh same |
| 12:09.36 | zetheroo | neither did i |
| 12:09.37 | ChrisH | zetheroo: I do not see its a mattrer of kernel. more an issue of GPT vs. MBR Layout. and I told you the Ubuntu approach of mirroring is "unusual" |
| 12:10.03 | abrotman | zetheroo: do you need any further help with Debian ? |
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| 12:10.17 | zetheroo | ChrisH: is "unusual" bad or inferior in this case? |
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| 12:10.26 | zetheroo | abrotman: ha! |
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| 12:10.40 | abrotman | zetheroo: if you want to know how Ubuntu does their mirroroing, ask #ubuntu |
| 12:11.41 | Daviey | abrotman: No, the audience is here.. i'd like to hear ChrisH's reason for stating a debian derivative has unusual mirroring |
| 12:11.41 | ChrisH | abrotman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1157195/ <-- they build an md-device and put it into partitions and then into Filesystems. |
| 12:11.50 | zetheroo | abrotman: not helping man ;) |
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| 12:12.18 | abrotman | Ubuntu discussion will happen in #ubuntu, not a request |
| 12:13.03 | Daviey | ChrisH: Do you think that one md per partition is better? |
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| 12:13.28 | ChrisH | The usual way is partition the disks -> mirror the partitions [-> LVM ] -> Filesystems |
| 12:13.30 | abrotman | Please take the Ubuntu discussion to #ubuntu, tahnk you |
| 12:14.05 | benedikt | to be fair, #ubuntu is crowded by confused beginners. doesn't make #debian appropriate though. |
| 12:14.11 | abrotman | it is not |
| 12:14.20 | abrotman | Would anyone actually like to talk about Debian? |
| 12:14.27 | benedikt | abrotman: yes please. |
| 12:14.28 | zetheroo | abrotman: this is NOT purely an Ubuntu topic - in fact it has more to do with Debain atm |
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| 12:15.34 | Sevet | so let's steer away from the ubuntu unusual partitioning talk and back to how to get your raid working on debian |
| 12:15.38 | abrotman | zetheroo: this is still a Debian support channel |
| 12:15.52 | benedikt | my vote is how to get my graphics card working |
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| 12:15.59 | Sevet | have you considered trying wheezy (the wheezy d-i is in beta now)? |
| 12:16.12 | ChrisH | Daviey: To me its the more logicalway and therefore its the better way. And its also the way eg. Solaris Volume Manager works. There it has the pro you can mount the single partitions without using the md tools... I am not sure if its simply possible on Debian. Never tried it. |
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| 12:16.24 | zetheroo | Sevet: thanks! I am restarting the Debian install again ... I just wanted to see how Ubuntu Server would handle the same task, but the goal remains to have Debian working |
| 12:16.26 | abrotman | looks at ChrisH |
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| 12:16.33 | Sevet | (obviously that'd mean using testing which might not be suitable on a production server, but it might be interesting if it works in wheezy d-i but not in squeeze d-i) |
| 12:16.41 | berarma | benedikt: ERROR: could not insert 'i915': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 12:16.47 | berarma | benedikt: where's the dmesg output? |
| 12:17.06 | zetheroo | abrotman: make good of your time and help berarma out :P |
| 12:17.07 | benedikt | berarma: thats the relevant line from dmesg. but i have to boot with that option, else i get a blank screen. |
| 12:17.15 | abrotman | zetheroo: I'm not amused |
| 12:17.20 | zetheroo | LOL |
| 12:17.51 | themill | suggests that everyone go off and fix an RC bug instead of arguing |
| 12:18.08 | zetheroo | Sevet: but even if wheezy did work ... I would still be none the wiser as the goal is to get Debain stable working |
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| 12:18.45 | berarma | benedikt: what's the relevant line? |
| 12:18.54 | benedikt | berarma: the one you pasted. |
| 12:19.05 | zetheroo | Sevet: so should I be creating this "BIOS partition" ? |
| 12:19.10 | benedikt | i left out previous lines that have nothing to do with this (e.g. stating that my ethernet is up) |
| 12:20.20 | berarma | benedikt: [ 3280.828467] i915: Unknown parameter `nomodeset' |
| 12:20.23 | alexfu | Ive set up a basic SMB share on my debian squeeze but I have 1 issue. Windows 7 can't access it. Windows keeps asking for credentials but I've setup my share to be viewable by guest. |
| 12:20.25 | berarma | benedikt: ok, that's it |
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| 12:20.42 | benedikt | berarma: yes. thats the problem. I need that option to boot. But i can't have it to start X. |
| 12:20.46 | berarma | benedikt: that it doesn't blank doesn't mean the parameter is right |
| 12:21.25 | benedikt | berarma: correct. from what i gather its a very undesirable paramater to have. so finding a proper way to boot would most likely fix my problems |
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| 12:21.52 | berarma | benedikt: that parameter doesn't exists, where do you have taken from that it's needed? |
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| 12:22.18 | benedikt | berarma: ? |
| 12:23.15 | obiwahn | my debian can not verify packages form the official mirror |
| 12:23.27 | benedikt | obiwahn: dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 12:23.31 | obiwahn | the debian archive keyring istinstalled |
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| 12:23.35 | berarma | benedikt: that parameter doesn't exist, I don't know where have you read about it? |
| 12:23.36 | abrotman | obiwahn: have you installed the debian-archive-keyring ? and run apt-get update ? |
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| 12:23.45 | silverarrow | in the smaller CD iso are there any nown issues to be aware of? I am more used to the guided wizard type install |
| 12:24.12 | obiwahn | still |
| 12:24.15 | benedikt | berarma: some obscure forum after a fortnight of googling. |
| 12:24.26 | abrotman | obiwahn: pastebin |
| 12:24.33 | berarma | benedikt: what's your original problem? |
| 12:24.39 | benedikt | booting with i915.modeset=0 or i915.nomodeset=0 solves the blank screen |
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| 12:24.54 | benedikt | berarma: after isntalling wheezy, screen turns blank when activating kms |
| 12:25.02 | berarma | benedikt: you can try with modeset=0, nomodeset doesn't exist |
| 12:25.07 | thereisnospoon | if i want something from squeeze when im running wheezy, is there an easy way to get it? |
| 12:25.16 | ManoftheSea | zetheroo: having come late, what's your problem? Trying to use two disks in a mirror, and install debian on that? |
| 12:25.45 | ManoftheSea | zetheroo: have you tried starting up a liveCD, partitioning the disk as you like, using debootstrap to install, and making final tweaks? |
| 12:25.57 | benedikt | berarma: modeset=0 or i915.modeset=0? |
| 12:26.06 | berarma | benedikt: i915.modeset=0 |
| 12:26.09 | ManoftheSea | I assume the GPT discussion is because of >2TB disks? |
| 12:26.09 | obiwahn | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/185056/ |
| 12:26.20 | obiwahn | this and the other pc use the same mrror and nameserver |
| 12:26.38 | benedikt | berarma: that also allows me to boot, but not start X. |
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| 12:27.13 | obiwahn | and they have exactly the same keys |
| 12:27.38 | obiwahn | part of the fpr |
| 12:27.43 | benedikt | berarma: excatly the same behavior, except the line in dmesg doesn't show up |
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| 12:28.01 | benedikt | i should just install stable and be done with it |
| 12:28.11 | silverarrow | noone uses the smaller CD install? |
| 12:28.37 | berarma | benedikt: if you don't want to dig more into the problem better stay with stable |
| 12:29.06 | berarma | benedikt: in case you want to try to solve it you should read this: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Intel_GfxCards |
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| 12:29.21 | benedikt | berarma: after reading bug reports i have come to the conclusion that somehting broke in the intel xorg driver |
| 12:29.37 | benedikt | seems that this happens for everyone on this GPU |
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| 12:32.28 | berarma | benedikt: have you tried with i915.modeset=1? |
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| 12:37.18 | silverarrow | on the iso-downlaod page there is an enormous list of debian 6.0.5, what is the difference? |
| 12:37.19 | silverarrow | I just picked one of them |
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| 12:38.40 | dizzylizzy | since wheezy is frozen, LibreOffice 3.6.0 won't make it in, will it? :( |
| 12:39.04 | themill | dizzylizzy: the libreoffice maintainers are very good at providing backports |
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| 12:40.12 | dizzylizzy | oh! that makes me happy, thanks themill |
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| 12:40.17 | silverarrow | are there any major differences in 3.6.0? |
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| 12:45.53 | dizzylizzy | http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-6-new-features-and-fixes/ |
| 12:46.00 | dizzylizzy | not *too* much |
| 12:46.07 | abrotman | obiwahn: apt-cache policy git-core |
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| 12:49.36 | benedikt | berarma: think so. ill try again for good measure. |
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| 12:52.02 | benedikt | berarma: blank screen. |
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| 13:00.14 | cjhmdm | Hello, I have this weird issue that cropped up all of a sudden... all of my terminal text editors (vi, nano, visudo, etc) are completely distorted. See screenshot for an example: http://imageshack.us/f/716/screenshottgw.png/ This happened just now, as in 5 minutes ago. ran fsck on reboot and all is fine so not sure what to make of it. Any ideas? |
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| 13:01.29 | cjhmdm | This also happens when trying to run dpkg-reconfigure locales as well as any text menu based dpkg-reconfigure as well as anything else text based that I've tried aside from cat (ie cat /etc/locale.gen outputs perfectly fine) |
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| 13:02.52 | cjhmdm | btw, this is on a dedicated server running debian squeeze x86_64 and has been online (since before todays reboot) for 6+ months with no issues |
| 13:03.23 | oggei | cjhmdm: you've probably generated some binary cruft output on terminal, did you tried a reset ? |
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| 13:03.54 | cjhmdm | oggei: reset as in reboot the machine? |
| 13:03.57 | oggei | no |
| 13:04.02 | oggei | as reset(1) |
| 13:04.22 | cjhmdm | you are my hero lol |
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| 13:04.33 | oggei | yeah |
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| 13:05.11 | cjhmdm | and now to think on it, I know what caused it... I typed 'vi get.sh' then accidently hit \ and [enter] at the same time, then just ctrl-c out of it >< |
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| 13:06.02 | cjhmdm | weird though, I've never had such a thing happen... thanks a ton though, I was starting to panic a bit thinking things were corrupted or something worse |
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| 13:07.32 | oggei | you welcome cjhmdm |
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| 13:11.15 | jerem`` | I'm using software raid and I would like to backup to a single drive |
| 13:11.17 | jerem`` | is it possible ? |
| 13:11.40 | jerem`` | software raid with mdadm |
| 13:11.41 | ManoftheSea | jerem``: if the drive is big enough |
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| 13:12.09 | ManoftheSea | what would be different between that and a normal backup? |
| 13:12.20 | kwork | nothing ? |
| 13:12.50 | jerem`` | in fact, I would like to clone my hard drive |
| 13:13.02 | ManoftheSea | ah yes, that's gonna be difficult. |
| 13:13.09 | ManoftheSea | depends on your raid. |
| 13:13.12 | wafflez_ | what do you mean |
| 13:13.19 | ManoftheSea | Is it a mirror, a stripe, or something more? |
| 13:13.22 | jerem`` | i'm using raid 1 |
| 13:13.37 | wafflez_ | you want to take a binary image of each logical drive in the raid? |
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| 13:13.46 | ManoftheSea | You can have some reasonable expectation that a clone of a mirror will work. |
| 13:13.55 | ManoftheSea | Degraded mode, but it will work. |
| 13:13.58 | wafflez_ | you would likely have to shut down the raid volume and use dd or something |
| 13:14.14 | wafflez_ | oh i see |
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| 13:14.44 | wafflez_ | that could result in problems though |
| 13:14.52 | wafflez_ | say you have a file being written to |
| 13:14.55 | kwork | why would you backup in that manner in the first place ? |
| 13:15.00 | wafflez_ | and you pull the drive to start the backup |
| 13:15.12 | ManoftheSea | jerem``: you're talking about an external drive cloner, right? |
| 13:15.13 | wafflez_ | and it didn't get finished writing |
| 13:15.22 | kwork | wafflez_: you could force the filesystem to write all caches to disk |
| 13:15.33 | wafflez_ | true |
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| 13:15.44 | kwork | but sitll what would be the point of backin up like that ? |
| 13:15.47 | ManoftheSea | guys guys, you could... turn off the computer. |
| 13:15.59 | wafflez_ | im assuming this strategy is to increase performance during backups? |
| 13:16.07 | wafflez_ | or what? |
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| 13:16.27 | justin | wafflez_: what on earth are you talking about? |
| 13:16.57 | justin | jerem``: he asked how to backup the array, he didn't say anything about degrading the mirror or pulling drives |
| 13:16.58 | wafflez_ | idk |
| 13:17.08 | wafflez_ | oh |
| 13:17.19 | wafflez_ | its absurd i agree |
| 13:17.20 | jerem`` | ManoftheSea: yes it's another clone drive |
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| 13:17.48 | justin | jerem``: backing up a raid1 array is no different than backing up a single drive. |
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| 13:18.52 | jerem`` | i'm in the case of p2v, i have to clone the content of the physical machine (with raid1) into single drive |
| 13:18.56 | cjhmdm | rsync is your friend imho... but if you must, you can dd the raid 1 mirror to a single drive... provided the single drive is large enough.. but imho, it's a pointless task unless your raid 1 is your system drive and you're trying to make a snapshot |
| 13:19.11 | cjhmdm | but I'd use rsync either way... that's just me though |
| 13:19.23 | kwork | seems kinda strange to use dd indeed |
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| 13:19.44 | ManoftheSea | jerem``: I would suggest you just clone the filesystems, not the drive layout. |
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| 13:20.29 | jerem`` | using dd, this should be also clone raid metadata. I think it's gonna be a problem |
| 13:20.54 | jerem`` | ManoftheSea: do you have idea to do that ? |
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| 13:21.33 | justin | jerem``: if you clone /dev/md0 there is no metadata there |
| 13:21.35 | ManoftheSea | jerem``: do you have anything convenient like LVM on the stack? |
| 13:21.50 | ManoftheSea | LVM would allow you to take a snapshot. |
| 13:22.09 | ManoftheSea | Failing that, I'd suggest booting to a LiveCD, mounting the filesystems read-only, and creating a tar from that. |
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| 13:22.39 | jerem`` | ManoftheSea: yeah, i have LVM |
| 13:22.58 | cjhmdm | jerem``: might I ask... what is the purpose of cloning the raid array? |
| 13:23.10 | cjhmdm | your specific purpose for wanting to clone it |
| 13:23.14 | ManoftheSea | he said p2v |
| 13:23.28 | cjhmdm | oh, I must not have seen it >< |
| 13:23.52 | ManoftheSea | jerem``: look up snapshots with lvm. You can take the instant-in-time of the running system, which you then mount and copy over to your virtual disk. |
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| 13:24.22 | jerem`` | ManoftheSea: in fact, i don't have any LV on the drives I want to clone |
| 13:25.02 | jerem`` | I have LV for other mount point |
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| 13:25.42 | justin | ManoftheSea: if he is doing p2v then a lvm snapshot is not relevant |
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| 13:26.33 | ManoftheSea | then my original suggestion. Boot the physical machine from an alternate stack (liveCD, etc.), mount read-only, archive system |
| 13:26.38 | jerem`` | there are a way to destroy the raid soft (mdadm), to use single drive ? |
| 13:26.41 | cjhmdm | jerem``: considering what you're trying to do, I'd probably go with the "Using tar to make a copy of the filesystem" section from here: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_copy_a_Linux_installation and do it that way |
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| 13:26.56 | ManoftheSea | oh hey instructions. Do that. |
| 13:27.01 | justin | jerem``: what tool are you using to od the p2v conversion ? |
| 13:27.07 | ManoftheSea | jerem``: you don't need to destroy the raid. |
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| 13:27.39 | jerem`` | justin i'm using clonezilla |
| 13:28.06 | jerem`` | ManoftheSea: if I can destroy the raid, to run only with a single disk, I could be clone it easily |
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| 13:28.20 | justin | jerem``: does clonezilla come with mdadm? |
| 13:28.44 | jerem`` | justin: clonezilla isn't able to clone software raid |
| 13:28.45 | ManoftheSea | jerem``: I think there's an easier way, but if you know how to do it, go ahead. |
| 13:28.57 | ManoftheSea | What's your target virtual disk? |
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| 13:29.19 | jerem`` | ManoftheSea: LVM into Proxmox |
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| 13:30.50 | ManoftheSea | Will clonezilla go to LVM? And I've never heard of Proxmox. |
| 13:30.52 | jerem`` | i'm ok to tar the filesystem but there are a lot a risks |
| 13:30.57 | jerem`` | no ? |
| 13:31.03 | justin | jerem``: what risks? |
| 13:31.08 | ManoftheSea | Tar the filesystem is your best bet. |
| 13:31.27 | ManoftheSea | It doesn't really matter the physical layout of files, but the logical layout must be preserved. |
| 13:31.38 | ManoftheSea | You'll just need to modify /etc/fstab afterward. |
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| 13:31.50 | jerem`` | ManoftheSea: backup with clonezilla > NFS && restore with clonezilla into virtual disk |
| 13:31.59 | cjhmdm | jerem``: the only risks so to speak is that it won't re-create your MBR so you'll need to set up partitions manually and then install grub (or w/e bootloader you use) after untarring |
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| 13:32.21 | cjhmdm | and yes, update your fstab |
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| 13:32.37 | retnan | hi guys! because of apache (13) permission error /home/.htaccess access denied. ensure its readable. i was able to get apache to work by chmod -R 777 /home |
| 13:32.39 | cjhmdm | for the strange thing you're trying to do, tar is likely your best bet |
| 13:33.10 | jerem`` | using tar, I will have some compiled file and I will have problem withphysical layer no ? |
| 13:33.10 | cjhmdm | retnan: try #httpd channel? |
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| 13:33.45 | ManoftheSea | jerem``: where does debian come in to this? |
| 13:33.51 | cjhmdm | afaik, tar doesn't compress anything, it'll only put all the files into a container |
| 13:34.00 | retnan | year right |
| 13:34.13 | SkAzZ1 | I have a quick question about software raid... What is the difference between just using mdadm to create a raid array and using the Debian installer to designate the primary parition on each drive as `raid` ? |
| 13:34.17 | cjhmdm | tar.gz or tar.bz2 is where the compression comes in (gz and bz2 etc) |
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| 13:34.32 | SkAzZ1 | Is it something written to the partition boot record? |
| 13:34.33 | ManoftheSea | cjhmdm: xz is the new hotness. |
| 13:34.40 | cjhmdm | that too |
| 13:34.45 | jerem`` | ManoftheSea: mhh no direct reason but it's a system question |
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| 13:35.03 | jerem`` | i'm using debian day after day |
| 13:35.09 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: yes, there's a partition table flag for raid. But under the hood, mdadm will scan for the pieces. |
| 13:35.24 | ManoftheSea | so... I think they're equivalent. |
| 13:35.27 | jerem`` | so you think that tar the md device is the good choice ? |
| 13:35.33 | ManoftheSea | not the md device. |
| 13:35.37 | ManoftheSea | The mounted filesystem. |
| 13:35.44 | jerem`` | oh yeah |
| 13:35.46 | ManoftheSea | And I suggest doing it from NOT the running system. |
| 13:35.47 | jerem`` | of course |
| 13:35.48 | cjhmdm | what ManoftheSea said |
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| 13:36.28 | cjhmdm | yeah, I'd do it from init 1 or even better, a live cd/usb |
| 13:37.10 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: How about when booting the raid... I had a existing, smaller, raid0 array of two disks.. I created a second raid0 array of two bigger disks.. extended the LVM across.. then did pvmove to move the data of md0 to md1 and then removed the md0 from the LVM... The system was fine while it was running.. But it will, however, no longer boot |
| 13:37.53 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: using mdadm will actually create the raid aray for you whereas simply marking the partition as a raid device will still require you to go through and create the raid array... afaik anyway |
| 13:38.13 | jerem`` | thanks a lot messieurs |
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| 13:38.37 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: did you install a bootloader on the other disks? |
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| 13:39.23 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: The bootloader is on a USB stick that has a recovery installer in case it cant boot that I can SSH to do a reinstall or recovery if need be |
| 13:39.33 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: here's important info: What bootloader are you using? Is /boot a seperate, non-raid partition? Does your root=/x/y/z cmdline param match your current system? |
| 13:39.53 | benedikt | is there a good way to get rolling releases of firefox/iceweasel in stable? |
| 13:40.38 | ManoftheSea | benedikt: download firefox codeballs as local user, add ~/bin/ to your path? |
| 13:41.07 | benedikt | ManoftheSea: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 13:41.16 | benedikt | ManoftheSea: fair enough |
| 13:41.26 | benedikt | it doesn't have any funky dependencies? |
| 13:41.48 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: The Grub2 installation on the USB stick just boots the system by setting the root to '(lvm/vg0-lv0)' Where vg0 is the name of the Volume Group and lv0 is the Logical Volume with the system.. it then loads /vmlinuz and /initrd.img from that drive |
| 13:42.20 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: it also has root=/dev/mapper/vg0-lv0 as a param when loading the linux kernel |
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| 13:43.11 | ManoftheSea | benedikt: why did you post this to me? |
| 13:44.03 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: that all sounds right. Where does this chain break down? bootloader prompt? doesn't use the USB as first boot device? |
| 13:44.32 | benedikt | ManoftheSea: i fail at highlights today, i mean to post it to Milos|Netbook, perhaps overly passive-aggressive though. |
| 13:45.22 | SkAzZ1 | It's after the USB has booted the LVM.. It appears to mount the kernel and initrd but the system complains about not finding the lvm (perhaps something to do with the kernal parameter) |
| 13:45.32 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: ^ |
| 13:45.41 | Milos|Netbook | benedikt, what |
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| 13:47.15 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: I suggest booting with "break=premount". This will stop the initrd before it mounts the lvm. |
| 13:47.24 | ManoftheSea | See if you can't get it to find the root manually. |
| 13:47.30 | ManoftheSea | That may also tell you if the name is changed. |
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| 13:47.50 | ManoftheSea | You'll need to know about mdadm and lvm, though. |
| 13:48.16 | ManoftheSea | and the initrd environment may not have all the symlinks you're used to. "lvm lvdisplay" instead of just "lvdisplay" |
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| 13:49.05 | CodeGnome | Morning, all. Having a problem today where none of my browsers are recognizing the ca-certificates in stable. Am upgrading to testing, to see if that fixes it. Is there an easier way? |
| 13:49.12 | SkAzZ1 | I am booted into my network installer and got the shell up.. I have mounted the logical volume and can see the system logs.. |
| 13:49.21 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: ^ *sorry |
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| 13:52.18 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: I suggest the initrd, because if initrd sees the system differently, you'd know what to change. |
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| 13:52.34 | ManoftheSea | But if your lv name and all seem the same - I'm not sure what to tell you. |
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| 13:53.58 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: ok, thanks, I'll give that a go =] |
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| 13:54.45 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: I haven't been following completely - sorry - but are you having trouble with a raid array or an lvm? Your initial question was regarding raid so I'm a bit lost on what's going on >< |
| 13:55.01 | joules | hi, need to set timezone properly and tips? |
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| 13:55.50 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: I have done sort of whats here: http://tharindu.info/2011/04/19/adding-redundancy-to-live-lvm-raid-0-to-raid-1-migration/ ... But I just did it between a smaller raid-0 (md0) and the new larger one (md1) |
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| 13:56.45 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: And I am not adding the old drives back in .. I just used that for the vgextend, pvmove and vgreduce refrences |
| 13:57.32 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: Is the `break=premount` is a kernel parameter or a initrd parameter? (I am assuming its kernel) |
| 13:57.55 | SkAzZ1 | s/is\a/a/ |
| 13:58.06 | SkAzZ1 | s/is\ a/a/ ** |
| 13:58.12 | joules | thewanderer1: thanks. |
| 13:58.21 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: ok, so you're trying to convert a running small raid 0 to a larger raid 0, or raid 0+1? |
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| 13:59.59 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: I migrated from md0 of sda1 and sdb1 ... To md1 of sdc1 and sdd1 by shifting the LVM to it |
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| 14:00.28 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: That worked.. The LVM mounts fine when I use a basic console in the installer.. It's just it wont boot anymore |
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| 14:00.49 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: the old lvm or the new one? |
| 14:00.51 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: and from what I can tell, grub2 is fine as it finds the kernel/initrd |
| 14:00.59 | cjhmdm | (sorry, trying to get specifics) |
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| 14:01.38 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: Thats fine, It is the same Logical Volume Group (vg0), I have removed md0 from the vg0 |
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| 14:03.51 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: sorry for the delay. There are only linux cmdline parameters. |
| 14:03.58 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: and for giggles.. you activated the VG after moving it? |
| 14:04.00 | ManoftheSea | The initrd will find it from the cmdline. |
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| 14:04.59 | boudiccas | how do you change the colours of the panels in gnome-classic in wheezy please? |
| 14:05.00 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: ie vgchange -ay vg0 |
| 14:05.28 | ManoftheSea | cjhmdm: activation happens on every boot. |
| 14:05.52 | Zitter | hi, I've followed wiki on Xen but I don't understand how to do after I've created DomU (guest) using xen-tools. I mean, can I start to use that os? Sorry, if question is too dumb but it seems the only good wiki on that topic |
| 14:05.55 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: I tried the `break=premount` but when I get the busybox the keyboard does not respond, I just have (initramfs) at the bottom of the screen (as it was doing before) |
| 14:06.11 | cjhmdm | ManoftheSea: duh lol.. my multitasking skills are bad today |
| 14:06.55 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: hmm, that's no good. "as before", you mean, it never prompts about looking for the volumes? |
| 14:06.57 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: I have the logical volume mounted successfully in ash... But ofc I cant get any logs about the boot |
| 14:07.19 | ManoftheSea | cjhmdm: at some point after mdadm, initrd-prime says "LV's, activate and roll out!" |
| 14:08.07 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: I'll reboot it without the option and get what it says.. It was saying something about it not being able to see the lv |
| 14:08.35 | cjhmdm | ManoftheSea: right.. I wasn't thinking lol.. my thoughts were in reference to doing this from a non system drive/array |
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| 14:10.24 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: cjhmdm: Shall I just write what I can see into a pastebin and give you the url? |
| 14:10.30 | ManoftheSea | I was going to refer to either MS or Apple as the decepticons... but Bill's retired and Steve's gone. Who to target? |
| 14:10.34 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: sure. |
| 14:11.00 | cjhmdm | That would be good yes, or just take a pic and upload to imageshack or similar |
| 14:11.01 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: post pastebin url to channel |
| 14:11.13 | ManoftheSea | oh, or use pictures yes. |
| 14:11.17 | ManoftheSea | Save some effort maybe |
| 14:11.26 | SkAzZ1 | That would make life easier ^^ just a sec |
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| 14:12.14 | Bird|ghosted | would switching my laptop from GNOME 3 to Xfce save me much in terms of disk space? |
| 14:12.16 | wafflez_ | target the shareholders |
| 14:12.21 | wafflez_ | they are the decepticons |
| 14:12.41 | Bird|ghosted | (the / on that thing just keeps wanting to fill up over and over again no matter what I do) |
| 14:12.41 | boudiccas | Bird|ghosted; doubtful |
| 14:13.12 | jhutchins_wk | Bird|ghosted: This is why it is not smart to over-partition your storage. |
| 14:13.14 | boudiccas | birdghotswed; but try it and see |
| 14:13.15 | FDFlock | Quick question about debian-installer and firmware: Will it find firmware on an external drive even if it is partitioned? My USB stick has both ext4 and FAT32 partitions, I'll put the firmware tarball at the root of both, will it work? |
| 14:13.30 | abrotman | FDFlock: i would think so |
| 14:13.39 | Bird|ghosted | ah. :< I've setup localepurge and have been using dpigs to try to prune out disk-space-hungry packages |
| 14:13.51 | Bird|ghosted | and it's not really heavily partitioned, just / /boot and /home |
| 14:14.09 | Bird|ghosted | (the other two partitions have been hovering around 75% full) |
| 14:14.11 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: cjhmdm: Forgive the use of the evil M$ service skydrive : http://sdrv.ms/SSLF1P |
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| 14:14.18 | FDFlock | abrotman: Thx! I'll verify once I'm able to reboot :) |
| 14:14.21 | SkAzZ1 | Allows quick upload from phone.. |
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| 14:15.14 | Bird|ghosted | the other GNOME 3 -> Xfce question is "will I need a bunch of temporary disk space in order to complete the migration?" |
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| 14:16.07 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: no-script. one sec. |
| 14:16.17 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/red-hat-fedora-linux/111022-fc7-volume-group-volgroup00-not-found-kernel-panic.html#post689504 ? |
| 14:16.19 | ManoftheSea | Bird|ghosted: remove one, add the other. |
| 14:16.20 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: I use that too in firefox ^^ |
| 14:16.24 | ManoftheSea | You won't need extra space. |
| 14:16.32 | Bird|ghosted | ah. |
| 14:16.35 | shadok | SkAzZ1: use imgur.com if you need pictures hosting, that way nobody will have your name :) |
| 14:16.52 | Bird|ghosted | so 'sudo aptitude remove gnome3 && sudo aptitude install xfce'? |
| 14:17.06 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: what is this "redhat.com"? |
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| 14:17.27 | ManoftheSea | Bird|ghosted: if two seperate operations. |
| 14:17.31 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: I assumed its a driver? |
| 14:17.39 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: I am using Debian Squeeze |
| 14:18.05 | ManoftheSea | oh. At the beginning of line like that, I thought it a prompt. But it was a weird place for a prompt. |
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| 14:18.29 | SkAzZ1 | shadok: I think I can change it to only show my nic.. not too fussed really.. one only needs to do a whois on my website to find me ^^ |
| 14:18.31 | ManoftheSea | vg0 not found... hmm. Because it's not looking for a vg on an md? |
| 14:18.33 | shadok | ManoftheSea: everything is right about that email |
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| 14:19.02 | ManoftheSea | I also wondered why your computer was named "redhat.com" |
| 14:19.14 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/red-hat-fedora-linux/111022-fc7-volume-group-volgroup00-not-found-kernel-panic.html#post689504 -- start here maybe.. though you'll have to sub out for debian commands >< |
| 14:19.29 | ManoftheSea | cjhmdm: yeah, he's not on redhat. |
| 14:19.35 | ManoftheSea | that's spillover from the previous line. |
| 14:19.45 | cjhmdm | ManoftheSea: yes, I know.. but lmv works the same |
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| 14:20.22 | cjhmdm | and basically all this is calling for is to rebuild initrd and the reinstall/update grub |
| 14:20.30 | cjhmdm | then* |
| 14:20.46 | ManoftheSea | yeah, those are good blunt force steps. |
| 14:20.51 | ManoftheSea | update-initrd, in debian, right? |
| 14:21.02 | ManoftheSea | the grup reinstall is unnecessary. |
| 14:21.43 | cjhmdm | for debian it would be update-initramfs -u |
| 14:21.48 | Bird|ghosted | finally, quick OT: does any of you have recommendations when it comes to external drive enclosures? (that laptop only has an 80GB HDD in it as it's several years old, so this may be telling me it's about time to upgrade, and go LVM this time I suspect too) |
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| 14:23.05 | SkAzZ1 | Cool, havent used chroot in this way before.. |
| 14:23.40 | colock | chroot is always naice |
| 14:23.46 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: cjhmdm: It gives back mkinitramfs: MODULES dep requires mounted sysfs on /sys |
| 14:24.22 | SkAzZ1 | I did `mount /dev/vg0/lv0 /mnt` then `chroot /mnt /bin/bash` then `update-initramfs -u` |
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| 14:24.41 | boudiccas | is there no way of changing the panel colours in gnome-classic in wheezy please? or is there a better place to ask? |
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| 14:25.32 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: debootstrap see here: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 14:26.34 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: in the chroot, you can mount -t sysfs none /sys |
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| 14:27.50 | cjhmdm | ManoftheSea: true, but better to use debootstrap imho as it'll essentially give you a complete base system and required deps |
| 14:28.24 | ManoftheSea | cjhmdm: um, for SkAzZ1? he's not re-installing, is he? |
| 14:28.57 | cjhmdm | ManoftheSea: no, but he needs the deps for update-initramfs |
| 14:29.27 | cjhmdm | I haven't had to work this deep since etch so I'm quite rusty heh |
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| 14:31.16 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: cjhmdm: "mkinitramfs: for root missing /sys/block/ entry", "mkinitramfs: workaround is MODULES=most", "mkinitramfs: Error please report the bug" |
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| 14:31.26 | SkAzZ1 | I mounted proc and sys |
| 14:31.48 | cjhmdm | and dev? |
| 14:32.08 | SkAzZ1 | dev? |
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| 14:33.20 | cjhmdm | trying to think... it's been a long time |
| 14:33.22 | SkAzZ1 | Do I need to somehow get entries in /dev to /mnt/dev (chrooted env.) |
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| 14:33.43 | cjhmdm | yes.. and you also need to make sure initramfs-tools are installed |
| 14:34.00 | SkAzZ1 | initramfs-tools is already the newest version. |
| 14:34.30 | ManoftheSea | for stable. |
| 14:34.32 | cjhmdm | you're basically pretending the chrooted system is a live system.. so it needs to have everything a live system would have.. ie /proc /sys /dev |
| 14:34.34 | SkAzZ1 | Do i need to exit the chroot to move the devices? .. and how do I move devices |
| 14:34.44 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: yes. |
| 14:34.51 | ManoftheSea | mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 14:35.01 | SkAzZ1 | Ah. awsome. ok |
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| 14:35.28 | cjhmdm | mount -bind /dev /path/to/chroot |
| 14:35.44 | SkAzZ1 | Oo.. some output from mdadm.. |
| 14:35.47 | cjhmdm | I'm slow lol |
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| 14:36.24 | SkAzZ1 | ManoftheSea: cjhmdm: http://pastebin.com/WQdBu5GQ |
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| 14:36.41 | SkAzZ1 | Thanks for all the help guys... It is really appreciated =] |
| 14:37.19 | cjhmdm | you're in a live cd/usb yes? |
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| 14:37.50 | SkAzZ1 | I'm in a Debian Netinstaller ISO booted from the USB stick.. with Network-console enabled so I am using ssh to access it |
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| 14:38.07 | cjhmdm | exit the chroot and assemble the array first |
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| 14:39.05 | cjhmdm | iirc a base installer/live cd won't auto assemble mdadm devices |
| 14:39.21 | ManoftheSea | I disagree. |
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| 14:39.28 | ManoftheSea | Stay in the chroot, and assemble the mdadm |
| 14:39.29 | cjhmdm | so try that first.. again, I'm going from memory here and it's been ages since I dealt with this stuff |
| 14:39.31 | SkAzZ1 | It has done.. The array is assembled as I have mounted the system that is inside it... I have mounted Logical Volume Member 0 that is inside Logical Volume Group 0 that is inside md0 |
| 14:39.44 | SkAzZ1 | md1*** |
| 14:39.45 | ManoftheSea | follow the prompt? |
| 14:39.45 | cjhmdm | ok |
| 14:39.57 | ManoftheSea | Does your mdadm.conf refer to the older, smaller drives? |
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| 14:40.06 | SkAzZ1 | I shall check now.. |
| 14:40.07 | ManoftheSea | because your initrd would only refer to that one, as well. |
| 14:40.21 | ManoftheSea | Which means the larger drives wouldn't be part of it, so lvm wouldn't find your root. |
| 14:40.34 | cjhmdm | ManoftheSea you might be on to something here |
| 14:40.43 | ManoftheSea | I concur. |
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| 14:40.55 | SkAzZ1 | idd.. it only has the md0 defined.. But why dident mdadm add the raid set into this config? |
| 14:41.09 | SkAzZ1 | I shall write md1 into it |
| 14:41.30 | cjhmdm | although, mdadm would complain when trying to boot the actual system before the vg would return errors |
| 14:42.24 | SkAzZ1 | The mdadm.conf was generated yesterday.. so it dident regenerate it when I added my new raid set.. |
| 14:42.31 | cjhmdm | either way, go with that, then chroot again and try to update-initramfs -u again |
| 14:42.34 | SkAzZ1 | What would tell it to re generate |
| 14:42.38 | ManoftheSea | didn't you say yours was now md/1? |
| 14:42.42 | SkAzZ1 | Yes |
| 14:42.59 | ManoftheSea | mdadm --scan > something? |
| 14:43.01 | ManoftheSea | maybe? |
| 14:43.06 | ManoftheSea | it's in the man page |
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| 14:44.59 | SkAzZ1 | I added the line and it has generated a new initrd.img.. But that is inside the boot folder.. does it update the initrd.img in the root? |
| 14:45.11 | SkAzZ1 | Ah.. it is a hardlink |
| 14:45.21 | SkAzZ1 | And I assume it will always update that when it gets updated? |
| 14:45.37 | SkAzZ1 | Just want to make sure my Grub menu item is adecute |
| 14:45.39 | cjhmdm | no.. you boot from a usb so you should mount the usb to /mnt/chrootenv/boot |
| 14:46.17 | cjhmdm | you're essentially faking a live system, so you need to mount everything as it would be mounted in the live system |
| 14:46.19 | io2 | a question: kde 4.8.4 is the edition in frozen wheezy, aka no updates other than that, correct? |
| 14:47.18 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: The live system is not aware of the USB usually.. it has its own /boot and grub installation that does not get touched |
| 14:47.46 | cjhmdm | Ok.. I thought you were booting from the usb directly |
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| 14:48.36 | SkAzZ1 | The system boots the USB.. Grub2 then tries to boot the logical volume member that has the system on it .. If it cant then it boots into the network-installer |
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| 14:48.54 | ManoftheSea | convenient. |
| 14:48.59 | cjhmdm | I see |
| 14:49.06 | ManoftheSea | I'd put a recovery environment on the USB, rather than the netinstall. |
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| 14:49.14 | ManoftheSea | But as you like. |
| 14:50.02 | jerem`` | I'm using tar to clone the filesystem but I can't clone it using LiveCD, because I can't mount a raid partition into livecd |
| 14:50.31 | cjhmdm | jerem``: yes you can.. you just need to install the deps first.. ie mdadm and such |
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| 14:50.42 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: ManoftheSea: Do i need to do anything special when exiting the chroot? Or can I just reboot? |
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| 14:50.52 | cjhmdm | exit [enter] |
| 14:51.02 | SkAzZ1 | Then just reboot? or do I need to unmount things manually? |
| 14:51.09 | cjhmdm | just to cleanly exit and then reboot yes |
| 14:51.22 | cjhmdm | just cleanly exit the chroot then you can reboot |
| 14:51.24 | SkAzZ1 | What about the /sys and /proc I mounted within the chroot? They ok? |
| 14:51.27 | ManoftheSea | SkAzZ1: you should unmount things, but you can just reboot |
| 14:51.30 | cjhmdm | it's fine |
| 14:51.34 | ManoftheSea | they're tmpfs's anyway |
| 14:51.41 | SkAzZ1 | ok |
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| 14:51.56 | ManoftheSea | goodluck |
| 14:52.07 | SkAzZ1 | Thanks |
| 14:52.26 | ManoftheSea | away a bit |
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| 14:53.41 | jerem`` | when I create the new md device based on my 2 disk partitions, it will reinitialize the raid ? |
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| 14:55.13 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: It dident work.. still cant find the lv.. |
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| 14:55.25 | cjhmdm | hmm.. ok, one sec |
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| 14:56.17 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: let's try something really stupidly simple... try this: http://www.uno-code.com/?q=node/170 |
| 14:56.32 | cjhmdm | of course substituting the info there for your own |
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| 14:59.52 | cjhmdm | SkaZz1: outside of that, I'm not sure how much more help I can be without being able to work with the system myself :( |
| 14:59.54 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: As I am using the installer, it automatically finds and mounts the raid and logical volumes.. all I have to do is `mount /dev/vg0/lv0 /mnt` then `chroot /mnt /bin/bash` |
| 15:00.54 | SkAzZ1 | I originally thorught it might be something to do with the raid paritions not appearing as `raid` in the installer like the original two were |
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| 15:01.12 | cjhmdm | no, that would be a different error/message |
| 15:01.46 | cjhmdm | and you can confirm on boot as you should be able to see where it's assembling raid devices |
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| 15:02.21 | SkAzZ1 | I only see md0 and not md1 |
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| 15:03.14 | cjhmdm | cat /proc/mdstat only shows md0? |
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| 15:04.02 | SkAzZ1 | It shows both.. I have the system mounted in /mnt just fine |
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| 15:04.18 | SkAzZ1 | But when it boots it don't seem to mention md1 |
| 15:04.32 | cjhmdm | I see |
| 15:04.39 | cjhmdm | so then of course it cannot find the vg then |
| 15:04.40 | cjhmdm | one moment |
| 15:05.43 | cjhmdm | first, to be sure.. when chrooted you can see both md0 and md1 right? |
| 15:05.47 | SkAzZ1 | Does ash have a binary file viewer by default? |
| 15:06.11 | cjhmdm | you can cat th file |
| 15:06.17 | cjhmdm | ie cat /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 15:06.24 | SkAzZ1 | I think it did.. thats why I got the comments when regenerating the initram |
| 15:06.26 | cjhmdm | it'll print the contents on screen |
| 15:06.36 | SkAzZ1 | ok just a sec |
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| 15:07.09 | cjhmdm | in your chrooted environment... pastebin the contents of cat /proc/mdstat |
| 15:07.20 | cjhmdm | or just confirm that both md0 and md1 are listed |
| 15:07.31 | cjhmdm | and are both healthy arrays etc |
| 15:08.42 | cjhmdm | if both are listed in cat /proc/mdstat in your chrooted environment then run this: mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 15:08.59 | cjhmdm | backup your existing mdadm.conf first |
| 15:10.03 | SkAzZ1 | ok.. |
| 15:10.23 | cjhmdm | the mdadm command is to be run from chroot ofc |
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| 15:11.08 | cjhmdm | and if md1 is not listed as active and healthy in your chrooted environment, then you need to read the man page and assemble it |
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| 15:12.01 | SkAzZ1 | They are both listed and healthy |
| 15:12.08 | cjhmdm | ok |
| 15:12.09 | SkAzZ1 | using the correct devices.. correct blocks |
| 15:12.19 | cjhmdm | ok |
| 15:12.41 | cjhmdm | mv /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf.orig && mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 15:12.48 | cjhmdm | from within your chrooted environment |
| 15:13.09 | cjhmdm | and also make sure your fstab is correct |
| 15:13.28 | cjhmdm | if fstab is by chance using UUID's then that could be why |
| 15:13.54 | SkAzZ1 | no UUID's are in fstab .. it just uses the /dev/mapper/vg0-lv0 |
| 15:14.14 | cjhmdm | ok, good |
| 15:14.17 | SkAzZ1 | Ah.. now the generating the mdadm.conf .. the name= are different.. |
| 15:14.53 | SkAzZ1 | When I did the install, I thourght the preseed named it, but it dident so it was called debian untill I changed it .. so md0 is debian:0 and md1 is myserver:1 |
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| 15:15.14 | cjhmdm | so it just sounds like md1 is being assembled late (not at initial boot), which in turn is why the vg isn't being found |
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| 15:16.01 | SkAzZ1 | What defines if and what order the raid arrays are assembled? |
| 15:16.56 | cjhmdm | afaik mdadm.conf |
| 15:17.16 | SkAzZ1 | So shall I swap the two entries? |
| 15:17.23 | cjhmdm | but, most distros these days auto assemble after the main system boot |
| 15:17.33 | SkAzZ1 | oh |
| 15:17.38 | cjhmdm | but you cannot boot from those because it would be assembled too late |
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| 15:17.59 | cjhmdm | no, you shouldn't have to swap them... they should both be assembled before anything else happens |
| 15:18.07 | cjhmdm | and then it *should* be able to find the vg |
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| 15:19.06 | cjhmdm | brb |
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| 15:19.33 | SkAzZ1 | It certainly manages to mount the raid arrays and the lvm in grub2 .. after the md0 is assembled it just says "Success: assembled all arrays" |
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| 15:21.53 | cjhmdm | so still no luck? |
| 15:23.26 | cjhmdm | ok... in chrooted environment |
| 15:23.36 | cjhmdm | once you updated your mdadm.conf |
| 15:23.47 | cjhmdm | and both md0 and md1 are in there properly |
| 15:24.16 | SkAzZ1 | I already added it in with the correct uuid.. only difference is the name.. ill give it a test |
| 15:24.25 | cjhmdm | find the grub entry for your raid array in /etc/grub.d |
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| 15:24.37 | cjhmdm | you need to update grub first |
| 15:25.14 | cjhmdm | so for instance, you need to delete the existing entry: rm -f /etc/grub.d/09_swraid1_setup (change to what is on your system) |
| 15:25.20 | SkAzZ1 | grub hasent got the issue booting, it can find it.. its just the kernel root that cannot be found due to it not looking for md1 |
| 15:25.46 | SkAzZ1 | I havent got debian's grub installed |
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| 15:25.53 | cjhmdm | ok |
| 15:25.59 | cjhmdm | well, try with that and see what you get |
| 15:26.25 | cjhmdm | but you may have to run update-grub && update-initramfs -u from your chrooted environment |
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| 15:27.37 | cjhmdm | I *think* you'll need to do that though as initramfs and grub are both looking for md0 afaik until you otherwise tell them to look for md1 |
| 15:27.40 | cjhmdm | but i could be wrong |
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| 15:34.42 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: any luck? |
| 15:35.19 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: Nope.. I'm just about to look at the boot sectors of the partitions to see how they differ.. it must be some sort of flag.. |
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| 15:35.41 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: ... it couldent be a bootable flag on the partition could it? .. |
| 15:36.08 | cjhmdm | umm |
| 15:36.21 | cjhmdm | afaik you can't mark an vg/lv as bootable |
| 15:36.32 | jelly | and you don't need to |
| 15:36.46 | cjhmdm | that's where you standard /boot comes from... unless things have changed since I last messed with all that stuff |
| 15:36.47 | SkAzZ1 | or the raid partitions? |
| 15:36.55 | SkAzZ1 | ah ok.. |
| 15:36.59 | jelly | only dos and windows boot loaders care about partition boot flags |
| 15:37.33 | cjhmdm | did you try update-initramfs -u and update-grub? |
| 15:37.40 | SkAzZ1 | What about how the installer see's the raid partitions? they don't have `raid` as the filesystem |
| 15:37.52 | simonlnu | "sees" |
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| 15:38.12 | SkAzZ1 | update-grub wont do anything relevent as I don't use debian's boot loader.. I the boot entry should be the same.. |
| 15:38.27 | SkAzZ1 | s/see\'s/sees/ |
| 15:38.39 | cjhmdm | what bootloader do you use? |
| 15:38.58 | SkAzZ1 | Grub2 on my usb stick.. ill pastebin the grub.cfg |
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| 15:39.33 | weirdCursor | hi |
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| 15:39.35 | SkAzZ1 | http://pastebin.com/trJd26hh |
| 15:39.42 | cjhmdm | well you probably need to update your initramfs and your usb grub so it knows to no longer looks for md0 but instead md1 |
| 15:39.47 | cjhmdm | ok, one sec.. looking at it now |
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| 15:40.08 | weirdCursor | the file at: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/multi-arch/iso-dvd/debian-6.0.5-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso is *corrupted* (i checked it with `sha512sum -c SHA512SUM` and it FAILED ) |
| 15:40.11 | SkAzZ1 | md0 is never mentioned.. Grub just detects the lvm ontop of the raid set |
| 15:40.33 | cjhmdm | your initrd does though afaik |
| 15:40.51 | weirdCursor | i signal it here, 'cause reportbug doesnt accept none@none.none as a sender mail address (and i dont want to go registering a mail account) |
| 15:41.09 | jelly | weirdCursor: mailinator? |
| 15:41.13 | cjhmdm | I mean, here's what we know... md0 is being assembled when it should be under your old setup.. md1 is not |
| 15:41.24 | weirdCursor | Note: i downloaded the iso 2 times. |
| 15:41.49 | shadok | weirdCursor: there is a whole pool of servers behind that url, nobody can help if you can't trace back the specific server distributing this iso. |
| 15:41.54 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: So initrd decides what raid sets are setup when it boots? |
| 15:42.05 | jhutchins_wk | weirdCursor: Chances are that the file on the server is fine but your download is incomplete or corrupted. |
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| 15:42.23 | jelly | weirdCursor: do you perchance have the logs for those downloads |
| 15:42.24 | weirdCursor | jelly: no. I think it's not possible to use mailinator. Maybe a reply is needed to a mail (to confirm the bug report) |
| 15:42.43 | shadok | weirdCursor: mailinator allows you to confirm, that's the point |
| 15:42.48 | babilen_ | weirdCursor: Give me a second (it takes roughly 5 minutes to download that file here) -- i'll get back to you. |
| 15:43.02 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: I believe so |
| 15:43.04 | jelly | gives babilen_ 300 seconds |
| 15:43.18 | shadok | babilen_: please not the specific server you download the iso from |
| 15:43.33 | weirdCursor | jhutchins_wk: i think it applies to *ALL* the mirrors. As i said i downloaded that file 2 times. |
| 15:43.36 | babilen_ | shadok: What? |
| 15:43.37 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: chroot into a proper env and: updateinitramfs -u |
| 15:43.52 | weirdCursor | shadok: all mirrors |
| 15:44.03 | cjhmdm | err update-initramfs -u |
| 15:44.13 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1 ^ |
| 15:44.23 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: I will give it another go |
| 15:44.33 | weirdCursor | download is completed, or at least wget said so |
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| 15:45.10 | twobitsp1ite | Is there a way to substitute the hostname of the system in the preseed file? I.e., %hostname% or something? I'm trying to write a generic preseed file, and I'd like to use the hostname received from dhcp for things like the vg name, etc... |
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| 15:47.12 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: It worked! =] |
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| 15:47.23 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: :) |
| 15:47.32 | SkAzZ1 | must have been that raid config |
| 15:47.58 | BlackPanx | is debian's squeeze kernel compatible with ubuntu lucid ? server platform, not desktop edition. |
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| 15:48.32 | cjhmdm | end result was initially a missing then an incorrect entry in your mdadm.conf in which the first time you ran update-initramfs -u was rendered pointless because of the missing/nvalid entry |
| 15:49.03 | sney | BlackPanx: whatever you're doing, it's not supported |
| 15:49.52 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: glad you got it sorted either way... it's been years since I've messed with any softraid+lvm type stuff and I was running out of ideas lol |
| 15:49.53 | twobitsp1ite | BlackPanx: For the most part a kernel is a kernel... it should work fine... but yeah, what sney said. You break it, you buy it. :P |
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| 15:50.38 | BlackPanx | i'm trying to put new kernel on my ubuntu lucid servers , but most stable kernels are from debian's repository... which uses squeeze like my lucid .... but i'm just asking... |
| 15:50.38 | weirdCursor | jelly: yes, i have the partial log of the last download: http://paste.debian.net/185095/ |
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| 15:51.05 | jelly | weirdCursor: unfortunately the ip address of the server is not visible |
| 15:51.08 | SkAzZ1 | cjhmdm: Thank you so much for your help, I'll be sure to update mdadm.conf and the initrd.img when moving a system drive ^^ |
| 15:51.13 | sney | BlackPanx: please go to #ubuntu and get support there |
| 15:51.23 | cjhmdm | SkAzZ1: ^^ |
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| 15:51.55 | BlackPanx | sney they said to ask here :) |
| 15:51.58 | cjhmdm | and now I have a question... how the heck do I reply with someones name without having to type it every time? I thought it was Ctrl+click but obviously I'm wrong >< |
| 15:52.06 | SkAzZ1 | tab complete |
| 15:52.09 | cjhmdm | (sorry, I know it's not debian related but I'm here heh) |
| 15:52.09 | jelly | BlackPanx: we don't dare guess what might or might not work in that situation. People in #ubuntu-server might provide a better, perhaps supported answer. |
| 15:52.41 | cjhmdm | tab complete? |
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| 15:52.53 | SkAzZ1 | type in the first few letters of someones name and press tab |
| 15:52.58 | SkAzZ1 | Might not work easily for mine |
| 15:52.59 | cjhmdm | oh |
| 15:53.08 | SkAzZ1 | For you I just do cj<tab> |
| 15:53.19 | sney | BlackPanx: don't ask them about installing debian kernels, ask them about upgrading your kernel. there are options for new kernels that don't involve packages from other distributions. |
| 15:53.21 | jelly | BlackPanx: finding people with knowledge of ancient releases of different distros is not easy. If you need to support old systems, consider paid support (from Canonical?) |
| 15:53.23 | cjhmdm | I see.. thanks.. back on topic now.. sorry again |
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| 15:54.46 | weirdCursor | jelly: sorry, that output comes from a tty. I was unable to scroll back. but it is visible that the download went well with no interruption. |
| 15:54.48 | jelly | BlackPanx: if your hardware fails to work, you could file bugs if you have a Server LTS installation since they support it until 2015 |
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| 15:55.32 | weirdCursor | jelly: i think that an error (on the servers ) while creating the iso is much more possible than a TCP fault |
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| 15:56.27 | jelly | weirdCursor: I was not even considering a network error, just wanted to see the IP |
| 15:56.53 | BlackPanx | jelly thanx for a tip... i'll rather consider building my own kernel with specs of ubuntu. that would be better option maybe |
| 15:57.50 | babilen_ | weirdCursor: fwiw, the file I downloaded (from tutankhamon.acc.umu.se) has the correct checksum |
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| 16:00.50 | weirdCursor | boo |
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| 16:01.04 | weirdCursor | so i'll download it again. |
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| 16:09.51 | netecho | Is anyone here a usenet user (as in for downloading .nzb files not just news articles?) |
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| 16:10.33 | nitrohax | netecho, you wondering if it's worth the money to spend and the the programs? |
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| 16:11.08 | netecho | nitrohax: I already have my account, just never used it outside of a windows environment |
| 16:11.13 | coreybj | Hello |
| 16:11.32 | netecho | I'm used to using AltBinz in windows |
| 16:11.57 | coreybj | I restarted my computer and when I did there was more than on user and my password no longer works |
| 16:11.57 | nitrohax | just like using it in windows. just you need wine to run those win programs |
| 16:12.05 | thereisnospoon | netecho, sabnzbd works great |
| 16:12.14 | coreybj | Can someone walk me through logging in and changing password? |
| 16:12.18 | nitrohax | Corey, did you add a user or change the sudoers file? |
| 16:12.37 | netecho | thereisnospoon: what about handing par files and rar files automatically? |
| 16:12.44 | coreybj | I don't remember adding the username specifically. |
| 16:12.49 | thereisnospoon | netecho, it does it all |
| 16:13.06 | nitrohax | Corey, are you sure you aren't looking at the root name? |
| 16:13.12 | netecho | thereisnospoon: awesome lemme grab it , do I have to install anything for the par and rar capabilities? |
| 16:13.41 | coreybj | I'm not sure. Is there a default root name? Forgive me o don't know much about linix. |
| 16:13.41 | thereisnospoon | netecho, just install it with apt, ull be fine |
| 16:13.59 | netecho | thereisnospoon: yea I kinda answered my question as soon as synaptic showed me the dependancies lol |
| 16:14.24 | nitrohax | Corey, when you installed deb there were two passwords you set up. one for root and one for user |
| 16:14.49 | coreybj | Ah I see. Is there a way I can log into root and fix this? |
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| 16:15.22 | BCMM | got a really confusing problem with libreoffice |
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| 16:17.24 | netecho | thereisnospoon: I installed it now how do I go about accessing it? |
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| 16:17.41 | coreybj | Type in sabnzbdplus |
| 16:17.49 | coreybj | Terminal |
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| 16:18.09 | netecho | && after it to launch it in background right? |
| 16:18.22 | coreybj | You use it through your Web browser |
| 16:18.30 | coreybj | Yea |
| 16:18.35 | jhutchins_wk | No. |
| 16:18.38 | berarma | alt+f2 then type programa name |
| 16:18.45 | coreybj | Or you can an grab a front end like lottanzb |
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| 16:19.36 | jhutchins_wk | Most of the full-featured usenet readers will handle nzb's these days; pan does. |
| 16:19.37 | coreybj | Okay. Can anyone help me with the issue I am having? |
| 16:19.38 | berarma | netecho: I haven't used myself but I'd start at /usr/share/doc/sabnzbd |
| 16:20.00 | jhutchins_wk | coreybj: What issue? |
| 16:20.07 | berarma | coreybj: you should remember your passwords? |
| 16:20.45 | coreybj | My passwords stopped working. |
| 16:20.52 | coreybj | It's so sad |
| 16:20.55 | nitrohax | coreybj, user names don't just spontaneously happen |
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| 16:21.19 | coreybj | It seems to have seemed from when I tried to setup an ftp server |
| 16:21.28 | nitrohax | you can always add a new user and then delete the old user. but you need to know you root password |
| 16:21.32 | BCMM | libreoffice wouldn't start, with an error "fatal error. the application cannot be started" and something about permissions. i checked, and some config files in ~/.config were owned by root. chowning them fixed the issue. how did they get to be owned by root? |
| 16:21.39 | coreybj | I know root password |
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| 16:21.45 | coreybj | How do I do that? |
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| 16:23.08 | netecho | thereisnospoon: do you use nzbmatrix? |
| 16:23.09 | berarma | BCMM: maybe you ran libreoffice as root |
| 16:23.17 | berarma | BCMM: or some other app |
| 16:23.22 | nitrohax | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/2 |
| 16:23.31 | BCMM | that shouldn't cause taht, should it? and in any case i doubt anybody did |
| 16:23.31 | jhutchins_wk | coreybj: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 16:23.56 | coreybj | Hey. Sabnzb is pretty good. |
| 16:24.04 | BCMM | i mean, root has it's own home directory |
| 16:24.41 | berarma | BCMM: whatever you run as root, sudo or su made it, a normal user couldn't do it |
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| 16:25.02 | BCMM | berarma: yes, i know. i'm trying to work out what could do that |
| 16:25.25 | nitrohax | did you install libre office by terminal unde root? that can do it sometimes |
| 16:25.25 | flash_ | a script run by apt-get ? |
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| 16:25.53 | DarkKnightCZ | hi, what package is dkim-filters in wheezy? |
| 16:26.43 | coreybj | That article said I have to login first. |
| 16:27.00 | coreybj | Can I somehow get terminal from the login screen? |
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| 16:27.17 | nitrohax | coreybj, you are using deb right now? |
| 16:27.38 | coreybj | You mean for irc? No. |
| 16:27.43 | nitrohax | ok |
| 16:27.44 | thewanderer1 | coreybj: no, that would be a security hole. if you want to log on as root, press Ctrl-Alt-F1 and you'll be in the console. |
| 16:28.01 | coreybj | I see. One sec. |
| 16:29.17 | coreybj | Thank you soo much |
| 16:29.24 | coreybj | I think I have it now |
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| 16:30.12 | coreybj | This stuff seems to be incredibly complex but I'm not sure why |
| 16:30.43 | nitrohax | it's easier then windows. |
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| 16:33.36 | coreybj | Ha. I wish it was easier than windows. |
| 16:33.38 | berarma | coreybj: well, first you lost your password, then we didn't understand what your problem was |
| 16:33.46 | berarma | coreybj: don't worry, that's normal at the start |
| 16:34.08 | nitrohax | yeah i know, i'm a heretic for using that word. LOL |
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| 16:34.43 | coreybj | I see. I believe my password was changed somehow either by a program I ran or someone on the computer while I was away |
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| 16:35.02 | nitrohax | coreybj, remember also, google and man files are you friends. |
| 16:35.27 | nitrohax | coreybj, that's pretty much impossible unless you were running something crazy as root |
| 16:35.57 | berarma | coreybj: giving your password to others is key for disaster |
| 16:36.05 | berarma | coreybj: this is not Windows, passwords are important |
| 16:37.00 | nitrohax | always setup different users for different people. that way you can control what the other people can do on your system. |
| 16:37.02 | coreybj | I was trying to set an ftp server . maybe as root? |
| 16:38.24 | Mechdave | coreybj, you should never run anything as root |
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| 16:39.01 | nitrohax | coreybj, superuser is ok. root is not |
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| 16:39.20 | Mechdave | coreybj, especially a ftp server... That is what I call a security hole big enough to fit a truck :) |
| 16:40.25 | berarma | coreybj: learn Debian ways, applying Windows practices here is another source of problems |
| 16:40.57 | coreybj | Oh I ran it as super user |
| 16:40.59 | coreybj | I bet |
| 16:41.04 | berarma | coreybj: I hope you were setting up the ftp server by debian packages |
| 16:41.12 | coreybj | Oh.... |
| 16:41.21 | nitrohax | coreybj, did you use sudo or su? |
| 16:41.30 | Mechdave | coreybj, everything with Linux is complicated and hard to start with... It gets easier the more you do with it :) |
| 16:42.24 | coreybj | How do I get out of console once I'm in there? |
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| 16:42.36 | berarma | coreybj: exit |
| 16:42.43 | nitrohax | Coreybj, type exit |
| 16:42.58 | coreybj | I want to get back to things I can click on |
| 16:43.07 | berarma | coreybj: if you want to go back to your graphical terminal do ctrl-alt-F7 |
| 16:43.15 | coreybj | Sweet |
| 16:43.22 | nitrohax | oh that's right, he was in termserv |
| 16:43.25 | berarma | coreybj: ctrl-alt-Fx switches between virtual terminals |
| 16:43.36 | berarma | coreybj: you should read the Debian manual |
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| 16:43.53 | coreybj | See aren't you glad I'm here |
| 16:44.32 | Mechdave | coreybj, How long have you had Debian installed? |
| 16:44.56 | berarma | coreybj: you'll find everything easier if you use the manual |
| 16:45.14 | coreybj | Probably 2 months now |
| 16:45.17 | coreybj | I bet |
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| 16:46.20 | nitrohax | Coreybj, you can get irc on debian also |
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| 16:46.45 | coreybj | Honestly its almost never this active when I usually stop in |
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| 16:49.51 | Mechdave | coreybj, When I started out I found that google was a fantastic tool to find out things I needed to know. :) |
| 16:50.19 | Mechdave | coreybj, I still use google now 14 years later :) |
| 16:50.24 | coreybj | Lol |
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| 16:53.07 | coreybj | I don't need Google when I have #debian |
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| 16:54.35 | nitrohax | you learn alot more using google. |
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| 16:56.18 | coreybj | Thanks a lot guys |
| 16:56.31 | coreybj | I'm back in business. |
| 16:56.42 | nitrohax | don't run programs as root, dno't forget passwords, and don't give them out |
| 16:56.52 | Mechdave | coreybj, you do need google because when ppl in #debian work out you want it the easy way and not willing to put effort in yourself then they are not so willing to help (usually) :) |
| 16:56.58 | jelly-home | Mechdave: wow, did google exist 14 years ago? *suspicious* |
| 16:57.31 | Mechdave | jelly-home, Well it wasn't google I was using then... more like lycos |
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| 16:57.49 | jelly-home | I remember hotbot and altavista |
| 16:57.49 | nitrohax | which in Mechdave's defense, is google now |
| 16:57.52 | Mechdave | jelly-home, and dogpile too |
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| 16:58.04 | nitrohax | web crawler? LOL |
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| 16:58.53 | coreybj | So just ignore the people who msg me asking for password? Says they can help me. |
| 16:59.07 | Bird|lappy | coreybj, yes |
| 16:59.07 | Mechdave | nitrohax, dogpile was a web crawler |
| 16:59.17 | Bird|lappy | also: is DMM b0rked? |
| 16:59.19 | Bird|lappy | E: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-dmo/libavdevice54_0.11.1-dmo5_amd64.deb: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 16:59.30 | Mechdave | coreybj, NEVER give out passwords to anyone... |
| 16:59.35 | jelly-home | Bird|lappy: the domaing name changed, replace debian with just deb |
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| 16:59.54 | jelly-home | deb-multimedia.org |
| 17:00.04 | nitrohax | Mechdave, i was making refrence to AOL's netscape search |
| 17:00.11 | Bird|lappy | thanks |
| 17:00.11 | coreybj | They said if I just do SU and copy and paste what they type they'll fix it for me |
| 17:00.27 | nitrohax | Coreybj, THAT"S ROOT!! |
| 17:00.33 | Mechdave | nitrohax, Oh ok, we don't have AOL here in Australia :) |
| 17:00.39 | coreybj | Oh |
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| 17:00.49 | nitrohax | i don't think anyone has it anymore |
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| 17:01.01 | Bird|lappy | jelly-home, E: Failed to fetch http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/ffmpeg-dmo/libavdevice54_0.11.1-dmo5_amd64.deb: Hash Sum mismatch |
| 17:01.04 | Mechdave | coreybj, Holy Moley!!! Was that in here? |
| 17:01.10 | nitrohax | su logs you into root. sudo logs you in as superuser |
| 17:01.18 | jelly-home | Bird|lappy: after an update? |
| 17:01.32 | Bird|lappy | yeah |
| 17:01.40 | Bird|lappy | changed sources.list, ran an update |
| 17:01.42 | jelly-home | I guess it might really be broken? |
| 17:01.44 | Mechdave | from what I heard is that AOL was super restrictive and not really much of "internet" |
| 17:01.50 | Bird|lappy | I guess so... |
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| 17:04.01 | nitrohax | Mechdave, it wasn't. it was more of a way to chat to people and not use bbs |
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| 17:05.30 | Mechdave | nitrohax, Ahh, bbs was all done for when I started |
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| 17:07.13 | nitrohax | you missed a hell of a time |
| 17:07.34 | gnarface | missed out too, but just because he was too poor |
| 17:07.36 | nitrohax | brb. need to rebuild to make the trackpad work |
| 17:08.00 | nitrohax | gnarface, but the long distance charges were so worth the experience. LOL |
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| 17:10.16 | Mechdave | somehow I found IRC and undernet to start with... then Freenode, then all down hill from there ;) |
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| 17:17.28 | nitrohax | i just realized i'm so old school i still use /join |
| 17:18.09 | Mechdave_ZZZ | nitrohax, it is easier than clicking windows etc... much easier I think :) |
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| 17:19.07 | nitrohax | i just got the trackpad working great. no more clicking just touching |
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| 17:19.41 | Mechdave_ZZZ | you know you are old school when you drop to a console to change system configuration files :) |
| 17:19.45 | nitrohax | that sounds totally dirty |
| 17:20.01 | Sm0ke0ut | nah. it's meant to be =) |
| 17:20.03 | nitrohax | it's faster then clicking around to find the right thing |
| 17:20.04 | jelly-home | init S baby |
| 17:20.06 | Sm0ke0ut | I prefer CLI myself as well :) |
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| 17:20.32 | nitrohax | at work i run BitchX on the server term |
| 17:20.40 | Mechdave_ZZZ | LOL |
| 17:21.00 | Mechdave_ZZZ | nitrohax, you are so old skool ;) |
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| 17:21.40 | nitrohax | i've only had one windows computer in my life. the rest were us gov throw aways that had unix |
| 17:22.02 | nitrohax | never got to play awesome computer games :( |
| 17:22.48 | Mechdave_ZZZ | I started on a celeron 300 with RedHat 5.2 and a SiS video card... many a night hacking together X configs to make it all work :) |
| 17:23.35 | nitrohax | at least it's always been free. LOL |
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| 17:26.22 | Mechdave_ZZZ | Since then I have got lazy... |
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| 17:27.29 | ahwan | hi |
| 17:27.38 | nitrohax | becuase it all works now. |
