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| 15:21.35 | gnat_x | okay, so trying to set up local repo. http://paste.debian.net/185273/ <-- Packages http://paste.debian.net/185274/ <-- Release http://paste.debian.net/185275/ <-- sources.list. I cannot for the life of me see what's going wrong. which at this point makes me think that its somehting stupid and small. |
| 15:23.05 | gnat_x | ohh. and the error http://paste.debian.net/185279/ |
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| 15:27.44 | hfuist | does one know where to buy a miniPCIe n-standard WIFI NIC with Atheros chipset for which there exist free drivers/firmware? |
| 15:27.53 | break19 | newegg.com |
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| 15:29.13 | nitrohax | hfuist> are you in the states? |
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| 15:29.33 | tremon | gnat_x: maybe ask #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 15:29.39 | nsadmin | I thought atheros didn't need firmware |
| 15:31.03 | gnat_x | tremon: okay. will do. thanks! |
| 15:31.12 | nsadmin | gnat_x, look into dpkg_scanpackages |
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| 15:31.45 | gnat_x | nsadmin: i was using that, and got similar results |
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| 15:32.17 | gnat_x | i also tried writing my own simplified Release file. |
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| 15:34.14 | linucks | Shameless promotion of our free open-source (Custom Debian based) Linux based firewall/router that we have been working on for 3+ years and just released to the world several minutes ago. =) http://www.sphirewall.net/ |
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| 15:35.52 | abrotman | linucks: this is a support channel, please don't spam here. Especially for something unrelated to Debian |
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| 15:43.51 | Dan39 | hmm |
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| 15:45.24 | nitrohax | someone should tell him it was outdated and obsolete 10 minutes ago ;) |
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| 15:49.33 | ubiquitous1980 | please point me in the right direction to remove kde completely |
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| 15:49.47 | nitrohax | you tell him that what's slowing it down is the 1990 ibm os2 aptivia that he is trying to run as a server for dos. there are two clients using the dos interface. tell them to spend the money and buy a netbook or something |
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| 15:50.09 | nitrohax | sorry that was meant for a msg window |
| 15:50.31 | nitrohax | ubiquitous1980> are you trying to go text or gnome? |
| 15:50.42 | ubiquitous1980 | nitrohax: trying to have pure xfce |
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| 15:52.42 | cortman | apt-get purge kde ubiquitous1980 ? |
| 15:52.42 | tremon | ubiquitous1980: read http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html and try aptitude purge ~i~tkde |
| 15:52.48 | gnat_x | ubiquitous1980: are you trying to get rid of all the kde apps as well? |
| 15:53.01 | gnat_x | if you do, you'll end up keeping a bunch of the libs. |
| 15:53.26 | ubiquitous1980 | gnat_x: yeah, basically want to go to where I was before I installed kde via a task |
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| 16:07.39 | \Jan | How do you patch, say, the 3.4.8 kernel to the 3.4.9 |
| 16:08.04 | \Jan | from what I'm reading it's saying, you can only go from 3.4.0 to 3.4.9, and not jump inbetween |
| 16:09.43 | jelly | \Jan: look at the v3.x/incr/ subdirectory on a mirror |
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| 16:11.20 | \Jan | jelly: https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/incr/ ? |
| 16:11.46 | jelly | yes. |
| 16:12.06 | tremon | s/https/http/ |
| 16:12.48 | jelly | well, https works for some reason |
| 16:12.52 | \Jan | jelly: just making sure, specifically patch-3.4.8-9.bz2 ? |
| 16:12.59 | SumYunGuy | \Jan: you'll want patch-3.4.8-9.bz2 |
| 16:13.01 | jelly | \Jan: yes |
| 16:13.10 | \Jan | Thanks |
| 16:13.20 | jelly | and .sign and verify the gpg signature... |
| 16:13.24 | jelly | the usual deal |
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| 16:14.16 | jelly | you need to uncompress the patch to be able to check the signature |
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| 16:17.03 | \Jan | I don't know how to check pgp signatures |
| 16:17.12 | \Jan | gpg* |
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| 16:19.06 | samnob | regarding gpg, anyone want to offer recomendations for settings on a new keypair? I'm replacing a 1024 DSA key. |
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| 16:19.58 | jelly | \Jan: once only step 0) grab the key from a keyserver: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 6092693E step 1) bzip2 -dk patch-3.4.8-9.bz2 step 2) gpg patch-3.4.8-9.sign |
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| 16:22.27 | samnob | I'm leaning towards 4096 RSA? |
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| 16:24.07 | \Jan | there is no .sign |
| 16:24.23 | \Jan | er wait, the .sign wasn't in the bzip |
| 16:25.26 | gnat_x | samnob: that should be good, but i believe 2048 is still considered sufficient. that said my key is 4096. |
| 16:26.02 | \Jan | http://paste.debian.net/185282/ |
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| 16:30.02 | samnob | gnat_x: Thanks, my thinking is since I only consider this once every decade or so, might as well go big. |
| 16:30.11 | jelly | \Jan: that's it, at least until you create a web of trust that points to gkh's key |
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| 16:31.41 | tremon | samnob: just found http://www.apache.org/dev/openpgp.html#generate-key, which says "All new keys generated should be RSA with at least 4096 bits" |
| 16:32.10 | tremon | it's just one site, but note that 2048 is also the very minimum required for debian maintainers |
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| 16:33.24 | \Jan | Bah |
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| 16:33.59 | \Jan | I have do_clean := No in /etc/kernel-pkg.conf but it's still recompiling everything |
| 16:34.07 | \Jan | and I didn't do a make clean |
| 16:34.12 | break19 | hfuist_: yup |
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| 16:46.26 | grifx | hello |
| 16:46.28 | grifx | To run a .sh |
| 16:46.33 | grifx | What do I have to do ? |
| 16:46.47 | grifx | $ ./file.sh |
| 16:46.56 | grifx | just that or something else ? |
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| 16:48.24 | gnarface | grifx: just that if your user has execute permission on the file. otherwise "sh ./file.sh" |
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| 16:49.14 | grifx | gnarface: if i don't i do a : sudo chmod 777 ./file.sh |
| 16:49.19 | grifx | then sh file.sh ? |
| 16:49.55 | tremon | grifx: no |
| 16:50.11 | tremon | you *never* give world write permission on an executable file |
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| 16:50.54 | grifx | 744 |
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| 16:51.37 | tremon | that's better, if you're the only one to execute it. 755 is more usual |
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| 16:54.12 | gnarface | grifx: what tremon means is YES, *but* you should use 744 instead (much safer.. personally i recommend 700 unless its something you are sharing with other users) |
| 16:54.46 | grifx | thanks for informations |
| 16:55.14 | gnarface | grifx: fyi the chmod+chown manpages are very informative on these matters. you REALLY should read them repeatedly until you "get it" |
| 16:55.24 | gnarface | grifx: it'll save you TONS of time in the long run, i promise |
| 16:55.26 | tremon | lol... thanks :) |
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| 17:05.17 | thothstriangle | hi |
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| 17:07.14 | hfuist_ | break19: what are they selling that matches the given criteria? |
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| 17:07.36 | break19 | any atheros chipset :P |
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| 17:20.26 | TheSin | anyone here an experper at building dpkg specifically the update-alternative tests? |
| 17:20.50 | TheSin | s/experper/expert/ |
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| 17:22.26 | dschoepe | Is there a simple way to disable that "Unable to find LVM volume" message during boot, before the password prompt, when using an encrypted /? |
| 17:23.02 | jelly | dschoepe: using an encrypted PV and LVM on top of that? |
| 17:23.13 | dschoepe | jelly: yes. |
| 17:23.23 | jelly | no idea. I have that as well. |
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| 17:24.09 | jelly | I guess initramfs code tries all sorts of layering combos just to make sure |
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| 17:24.41 | dschoepe | jelly: Yeah, I tried adding cryptroot as a prereq for the lvm2 script, but that creates a cycle. |
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| 17:29.24 | abraxxl | hi, i am starting my window manager like this "ck-launch-session dbus-launch fluxbox". in terminals programs is according to /proc/$pidofprogem/environment Dbus and ConsoleKit correctly insertied into the exported environment, but nevertheless I cannot mount USB media via dolphin or nautilus. |
| 17:29.35 | abraxxl | any hints appreciated |
| 17:32.04 | thothstriangle | hello |
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| 17:32.17 | thothstriangle | is it time for debian? |
| 17:32.30 | boudiccas | troll |
| 17:32.55 | Bernat | abraxxl: I wonder what fluxbox has to do with media mounting |
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| 17:34.50 | abraxxl | Bernat: no much, but fluxbox starts $FILEMANANGERofMYchoice, and the latte use dbus and ConsoleKit, so a correct environment is important |
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| 17:36.14 | dschoepe | jelly: FWIW, adding cryptroot to the prereqs in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-top/lvm2 makes the message disappear, even though update-initramfs complains about a loop. |
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| 17:37.04 | jelly | dschoepe: heh |
| 17:37.24 | dschoepe | I just hope this doesn't cause the system to lock up completely after some update :) |
| 17:37.42 | dschoepe | Unfortunately I can't figure where exactly lvm2 is required by the crypto stuff. |
| 17:38.01 | jelly | well... you do need a manual intevention on every reboot anyway |
| 17:39.26 | dschoepe | Yeah, but in the worst case, I have to boot the recovery kernel+initramfs to fix this. |
| 17:39.29 | jelly | the latest 3.2.0-3-* kernel on wheezy does this for me: make noise like you mention, then drop me to initramfs busybox for reasons unknown, I press ^D and voila, the passphrase prompt appears and everything is peachy |
| 17:39.47 | Zelator | hi. |
| 17:39.49 | jelly | indeed. 3.2.0-2-* works fine |
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| 17:40.35 | dschoepe | Perhaps I can figure where exactly this loop is coming from. cryptroot requires cryptroot-prepare but there is neither locate nor apt-file know about any such file. |
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| 17:41.16 | Zelator | i'm having a problem of installing buncha dependancies needed to compile something. BUT... one of the backport libs is on the way which is upgraded with the installation of Iceweasel ESR. Now if i try to downgrade it tells me that a whole shitload of things should be removed, and even so it brings up some error, so i can't really do anything. The problematic lib is libpixman-1-0 |
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| 17:41.51 | Zelator | so how can i downgrade it without a hitch or make other dependencies get along with it? |
| 17:42.05 | jordanm | !downgrade |
| 17:42.06 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 17:43.09 | Zelator | it's not always true. Some things can be still downgraded, but those are normally just some apps, not libs |
| 17:43.17 | Zelator | anyway... thanks |
| 17:43.29 | Zelator | but it tells me little. Seems to me that i have to go through a lot of shit. |
| 17:43.48 | Zelator | whenever i see the word "try" i kinda lose all my hopes :) |
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| 17:44.58 | donnaR | any utilities/libs to mangle/block/decode packets on linux? |
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| 17:45.36 | jordanm | donnaR: scapy |
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| 17:47.09 | myuuko | does anyone in here know why when I try to install nmap, it brings in all of these dependencies? |
| 17:47.11 | myuuko | http://p.xqz.ca/08c85 |
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| 17:48.08 | donnaR | jordanm, scapy doesn't block from reaching destination |
| 17:48.35 | Vinz | bye |
| 17:48.47 | jordanm | donnaR: iptables |
| 17:49.36 | jordanm | myuuko: those packages were probably already in a pending state. do you get the same output from `apt-get install -f`? |
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| 17:49.59 | myuuko | I will check :) |
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| 17:50.30 | donnaR | jordanm, cool |
| 17:51.17 | myuuko | jordanm: with that it doesn't include that block of dependencies |
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| 17:51.35 | myuuko | it even has a few things to autoremove |
| 17:51.44 | jordanm | myuuko: show the output |
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| 17:53.26 | darsie | Iceweasel recommended to disable java (sun-java6-plugin) due to stability/security issues. What shall I do to solve this while retaining good java support (the free java didn't seem to work for me). |
| 17:53.27 | myuuko | jordanm: http://p.xqz.ca/08c85 |
| 17:54.22 | Guest37485 | I installed wheezy in a laptop with ATI - and got no screen - then I switched to sid - and installed fglrx driver - now GNOME works - should I revert the repositories for wheezy ? |
| 17:54.37 | rudi_s | darsie: The answer is not to use java ... noscript might be a good idea. It disables plugins on all websites except where you allow it. |
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| 17:55.17 | drigollier | re |
| 17:55.38 | rudi_s | Guest37485: You can try, mixing testing and sid might not be a good idea, but at the moment (during the freeze) they are similar so you shouldn't have too many problems. |
| 17:56.19 | darsie | rudi_s: Interesting idea. I already use flashblocker, to avoid annoying flash stuff. |
| 17:56.36 | Zelator | next question. I've installed Windows 7 alongside with Debian. Now.. one thing keeps bugging me, for some reason each time i boot from one to another the clock gets messed up |
| 17:57.01 | Zelator | previously i had XP in place of 7, but it would never happen... now it does |
| 17:57.01 | rudi_s | darsie: noscript handles that too. |
| 17:57.22 | Zelator | i've tried playing with the locations and stuff, but it simply messes up again |
| 17:57.26 | Guest37485 | rudi_s: so I want to just revert to Wheezy - no sid - I was interested only in fglrx - of course this pulled other libraries with it etc... |
| 17:57.28 | rudi_s | You can click on the flash/java/etc. part to run it. |
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| 17:57.58 | rudi_s | Guest37485: Yes. Just modify /etc/apt/sources.list to "switch back" - you might still have some invalid packages but it should be more or less fine. |
| 17:58.56 | jordanm | myuuko: looks the same to me |
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| 18:00.33 | myuuko | hmm |
| 18:01.33 | myuuko | jordanm: sorry, I mispasted because I still had the old paste in the clipboard http://p.xqz.ca/4bdb7 |
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| 18:02.55 | jordanm | myuuko: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:03.06 | jordanm | ,versions imagemagick-common |
| 18:03.07 | judd | Package: imagemagick-common on i386 -- sid: 8:6.7.7.10-3; wheezy: 8:6.7.7.10-3 |
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| 18:03.44 | hfuist_ | break19: the only miniPCIe WiFi NICs I found so far on that site are three pieces with intel chips |
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| 18:08.03 | knyn | is back (gone 00:00:43) |
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| 18:08.51 | thedeanoftown | Anyone have any leads as to how to get xserver-xorg-video-vmware 1:12 >= installed on squeeze? |
| 18:09.13 | streuner_ | judd, versions xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 18:09.15 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-vmware on i386 -- lenny: 1:10.16.2-1; squeeze: 1:11.0.1-2; squeeze-backports: 1:11.0.3-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:12.0.2-1+b1; wheezy: 1:12.0.2-1+b1 |
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| 18:10.26 | streuner_ | thedeanoftown: laptop or desktop |
| 18:10.33 | streuner_ | thedeanoftown: system? |
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| 18:12.14 | streuner_ | thedeanoftown: we need more details too... |
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| 18:15.15 | myuuko | jordanm: wheezy |
| 18:15.29 | myuuko | upgraded in place from squeeze |
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| 18:15.55 | kaneda^ | hey all, i've set up an openvpn server on debian and for some reason mac clients can only access the intranet, whereas it appears windows clients can access the internet as well, any ideas why this might be happening? |
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| 18:17.54 | thedeanoftown | sorry, looked away for a moment. Laptop, lenovo w520 running windows 7. Debian 6 on vmware workstation 9 as a guest |
| 18:18.21 | jordanm | kaneda^: routes probably are not being pushed properly |
| 18:18.26 | jordanm | kaneda^: #openvpn |
| 18:18.34 | streuner_ | thedeanoftown: just upgrade to whezzy (/msg dpkg squeeze->whezzy) |
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| 18:18.52 | streuner_ | thedeanoftown: (if you really need 1.12 |
| 18:18.56 | streuner_ | thedeanoftown: ) |
| 18:19.12 | thedeanoftown | streuner: Thanks |
| 18:20.12 | myuuko | jordanm: were you asking for my imagemagick versions as well? because in that case |
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| 18:20.13 | myuuko | rc imagemagick-common 8:6.7.7.10-3 all image manipulation programs -- infrastructure |
| 18:20.38 | myuuko | I don't believe it's installed |
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| 18:22.24 | dFence | hi guys - I think, I'm finally getting a grasp on LDAP. Just one Q: is it possible, to store Adress-Book fields and login-fields (username / password etc) in one dataset? or alternatively: is there a way to link these 2 nodes? |
| 18:22.35 | jordanm | myuuko: rc is removed but not purged, it was installed at some point |
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| 18:23.23 | myuuko | I see |
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| 18:23.30 | myuuko | probably when I had gnuplot installed |
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| 18:27.40 | setuid | is there a standard naming convention (LSB?) for lock files, service pause files, etc.? |
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| 18:28.05 | setuid | I'm looking for something that I can adopt to help drive dropping files on disk to help facilitate some service management |
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| 18:28.47 | myuuko | hmm |
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| 18:28.56 | myuuko | I'll try updating the repo information |
| 18:29.00 | myuuko | it may have been a fluke that caused this |
| 18:29.04 | gnarface | setuid: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/fhs-2.3.html#VARLOCKLOCKFILES |
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| 18:31.58 | setuid | perfect, FHS was what I was looking for... thanks! |
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| 18:34.53 | gnarface | no prob |
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| 18:39.07 | amr_ | hello all, I installed debian today but when I restart to login for 1st time I was not able !!!! it didn't accept my username and password !!!! any advice |
| 18:39.32 | gnarface | amr_: maybe your capslock key is on |
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| 18:39.51 | gnarface | amr_: or maybe it was on when you set your password |
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| 18:40.05 | amr_ | gnarface: no no |
| 18:40.34 | SkAzZ1 | Is there a channel for bash commands? I just want to get top into a watch command |
| 18:40.53 | gnarface | SkAzZ1: it isn't #bash? |
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| 18:41.08 | amr_ | do I have to reinstall my system? if so do I have to reformat my partition first? |
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| 18:41.31 | SkAzZ1 | gnarface: Might well be , ill check, thanks =] |
| 18:41.34 | gnarface | amr_: no no don't panic. first you want to figure out what went WRONG so you chose the appropriate action |
| 18:41.43 | mtn | amr_: most likely you just need to use the right login/password |
| 18:42.04 | gnarface | amr_: your install disk can probably be used to boot into rescue mode and reset your password but yea, its probably just user error |
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| 18:43.12 | gnarface | amr_: i mean, you GET the password prompt right? you made a "normal" user right? you're not doing something like, trying to log in as root because you didn't make a normal user but also checked "don't allow login as root" or something like that ? |
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| 18:44.12 | amr_ | actually I don't remember |
| 18:44.26 | amr_ | but I just used my normal user name and password as in all my systems |
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| 18:46.06 | gnarface | you could also just edit the grub command line and add single |
| 18:46.10 | gnarface | to boot into single user mode |
| 18:46.13 | gnarface | that still works right? |
| 18:46.18 | gnarface | anyone? |
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| 18:47.10 | gnat_x | gnarface: last time i tried. |
| 18:47.26 | gnat_x | gnarface: not helpful if the disk in encrypted though. |
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| 18:52.19 | enlightified | I had asked why I cant loopback audio on ALSA on my debian squeeze. |
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| 18:52.47 | hfuist_ | can one dynamically over-/underclock ones system on runtime? |
| 18:52.48 | enlightified | Its because the snd-aloop.ko is not loaded in the kernel isn't it? |
| 18:53.00 | LordDeath | I want to change the "innodb_buffer_pool_size" value for mysql |
| 18:53.16 | LordDeath | should I do it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ? |
| 18:54.04 | enlightified | things will be fine if I install kernel 3.2 from backports won't it? |
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| 18:54.38 | enlightified | and I will be all gay and merry? |
| 18:54.47 | gnat_x | enlightified: should be. |
| 18:55.04 | gnat_x | backports kernels have always worked for me. |
| 18:55.07 | enlightified | took me a day... ty. |
| 18:55.58 | gnat_x | finally solved his apt-repository problem using reprepro btw. |
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| 18:59.14 | raptor67782 | hi how to know the ip address of local machine ? ( I am not admin) |
| 18:59.45 | Sm0ke0ut | 127.0.0.1 is for sure =P |
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| 19:01.15 | r3m | ,v awesome |
| 19:01.16 | judd | Package: awesome on i386 -- lenny: 2.3.3-1; squeeze: 3.4.6-1; sid: 3.4.13-1; wheezy: 3.4.13-1 |
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| 19:01.42 | raptor67782 | Sm0ke0ut: well, I would need in a form of 192.xxx.xxx.xxx (like would give ifconfig ) |
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| 19:04.14 | raptor67782 | It would be great if it could be possible |
| 19:04.27 | raptor67782 | in windows, ifconfig /all gives it |
| 19:04.35 | Sm0ke0ut | ipconfig :) |
| 19:04.38 | Sm0ke0ut | anyhowz |
| 19:05.12 | jordanm | raptor67782: ip addr |
| 19:05.17 | raptor67782 | ipconfig is for the admins |
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| 19:05.55 | boudiccas | how do i find the pid of gdesklets that is running but isnt showing in top please? |
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| 19:06.23 | raptor67782 | wow super cool . ip addr | grep inet | grep 192 |
| 19:06.30 | raptor67782 | thank you so much !! |
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| 19:07.00 | raptor67782 | jordanm: thank you for your help |
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| 19:07.48 | r3m | jessie is the cowgirl? |
| 19:08.14 | gnat_x | raptor67782: /sbin/ifconfig should work for unprived user if all you're doing is looking to what the settings are. |
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| 19:08.44 | jordanm | `ip` is nicer, not deprecated, and in a regular user's PATH by default |
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| 19:09.36 | raptor67782 | /sbin/ifconfig worked too ;) cool |
| 19:09.36 | letsgetwet20 | Is there any way to install all development libraries for every package as default and to download them for those that don't have them? |
| 19:09.58 | raptor67782 | what is better ip addr or /sbin/ifconfig ? |
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| 19:09.58 | boudiccas | How do I find out the PID of gdesklets that is running on wheezy but is not showing in top please? |
| 19:10.44 | letsgetwet20 | boudiccas: pgrep gdesklets |
| 19:10.53 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 19:10.55 | letsgetwet20 | or whatever the running process is called |
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| 19:12.44 | boudiccas | letsgetwet20: sorry, it didnt work, it gave no response at all |
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| 19:13.32 | letsgetwet20 | that must not be what the running process is called |
| 19:14.37 | boudiccas | the programme is called gDesklets, but i dont know what the running process is. |
| 19:14.55 | The-Compiler | I'd like to write something to a serial terminal without having to install a tool for it, just to see if it's the right tty. How could I do that? |
| 19:15.25 | The-Compiler | I guess I need to do some stty magic and then I can echo to it, but I don't know what to do exactly. |
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| 19:17.38 | letsgetwet20 | boudiccas: try this, ps ax | grep gdesklets |
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| 19:18.00 | letsgetwet20 | was your d lowercase? |
| 19:18.48 | boudiccas | letsgetwet20: sorted! it was running as 'python', so i killed that pid and it went out of the system tray |
| 19:19.02 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 19:19.45 | letsgetwet20 | I had a feeling it may be doing that. Your welcome |
| 19:20.26 | letsgetwet20 | Is there any way to install all development libraries for every package as default and to download them for those that don't have them |
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| 19:21.03 | letsgetwet20 | are there any parameters in apt-get or aptitude that would do this? |
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| 19:23.40 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:23.57 | The-Compiler | hmm, ignore my question, I don't have the right cable :( |
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| 19:24.03 | DexterF | how can I have kde3 on wheezy? (or at least kmail from kde3, after all all I need) |
| 19:24.20 | DexterF | there's trinity, but no ready packages for wheezy |
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| 19:24.32 | engla | I don't think it's possible |
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| 19:26.59 | nsouer | clear |
| 19:27.09 | nsouer | sorry, wrong xterm |
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| 19:36.43 | Kizano_werk | Hi pplz. |
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| 19:36.59 | Kizano_werk | I have a small issue, where apt-get wants to install an ubuntu version of command-not-found. |
| 19:37.23 | Kizano_werk | The peculiar thing is I do not have any references to any ubuntu repositories, nor have I ever referenced Ubuntu servers... |
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| 19:37.33 | Kizano_werk | ^ in /etc/apt/ anywhere... |
| 19:37.44 | asdefjak | With grub2, is there any way to change the default entry for the next boot? What I want to achieve is to boot into Windows with a single command. |
| 19:37.57 | Kizano_werk | However, when I apt-cache show command-not-found, I get: |
| 19:37.58 | Kizano_werk | Filename: pool/main/c/command-not-found/command-not-found_0.2.40ubuntu5_all.deb |
| 19:38.11 | jordanm | Kizano_werk: show the output of 'apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy command-not-found' |
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| 19:39.11 | root__ | hi |
| 19:39.13 | Kizano_werk | asdefjak: You can modify /etc/default/grub - change GRUB_DEFAULT to the index of the OS you want to boot. |
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| 19:40.31 | boudiccas | troll |
| 19:40.49 | asdefjak | Kizano_werk: but when I reboot afterwars, it will boot into Windows again -- I recall that with grub1 it was somehow possible to only change the default for the next boot and it reverted automatically afterwards |
| 19:41.15 | Kizano_werk | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/xJrHWEet <- looks like it's backtrack. I see now >.> |
| 19:41.30 | Kizano_werk | asdefjak: Ah - this is a 1-time boot to windows ? |
| 19:41.48 | asdefjak | Kizano_werk: yes |
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| 19:41.58 | Kizano_werk | asdefjak: I think I'm missing a command after you update /etc/default/grub.. It'll apply the changes according to the config... |
| 19:42.27 | Kizano_werk | asdefjak: Ah - that's easy, when you first boot, look for the splash screen. If the screen stays blank, keep tapping the down button so you'll visit the next OS without auto-booting into it. |
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| 19:43.03 | Kizano_werk | asdefjak: Once you boot and you see the splash screen, it should give you like 3-5 secs to change the device you want to boot into. |
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| 19:43.50 | Kizano_werk | jordanm: I'm not skilled with apt-get enough to tell it to take this package from ftp.us.debian.org - Is it configurable to tell apt-get to only pull certain packages from a specific repo ? |
| 19:43.58 | asdefjak | Kizano_werk: that's what I do |
| 19:44.07 | Kizano_werk | asdefjak: You want to make this permanent ? |
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| 19:44.31 | engla | Kizano_werk: your sources is a mess, you have both lenny and squeeze and also this backtrack stuff (not a debian repository). sounds like the typical "frankendebian" |
| 19:45.29 | asdefjak | Kizano_werk: what I want to do is to change the default to Windows, reboot, and when I reboot from Windows, Debian is the default again. |
| 19:46.19 | Kizano_werk | engla: I think that's because volatile doesn't support squeeze yet :/ |
| 19:46.41 | engla | lenny-volatile doesn't help you |
| 19:47.08 | Kizano_werk | comments out volatile... |
| 19:47.10 | engla | anyway, you're not using debian so it's hard to help here |
| 19:47.36 | Kizano_werk | engla: It started as a debian install :D |
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| 19:47.59 | Kizano_werk | I added a few repositories for additional packages. |
| 19:48.29 | engla | and then you are surprised that such things as this happen? Also I don't see the problem, it seems like they picked an ubuntu package |
| 19:48.47 | Kizano_werk | I think it's the backtrack repository... |
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| 19:49.53 | jordanm | engla: Kizano_werk: backtrack is a full ubuntu mirror with additional packages. if you apt-get upgrade that box, you won't be running debian at all |
| 19:50.06 | Kizano_werk | :X |
| 19:50.24 | jordanm | there is a good chance you are already running more ubuntu than debian |
| 19:50.27 | engla | byeee Kizano_werk :-) |
| 19:50.31 | Kizano_werk | That might explain why I've been having issues installing wine at home :/ |
| 19:50.36 | obiwahn | hi - what must i do to resume from hibernation with an encypted swap |
| 19:50.39 | engla | !frankendebian |
| 19:50.39 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 19:50.58 | Kizano_werk | lol |
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| 19:51.06 | asdefjak | It looks like GRUB_DEFAULT=saved with grub-set-default and grub-reboot will do the trick |
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| 19:52.01 | Kizano_werk | reverts his backtrack upgrades... |
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| 20:06.22 | ManoftheSea | obiwahn: can you describe your layout and boot problem here? |
| 20:06.27 | obiwahn | ok |
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| 20:06.56 | obiwahn | i have and encrypted swap (sda4) and normal disk (sda2) |
| 20:07.02 | TheWarden | Hi, is there a way to copy the contents of a file starting from a certain line number until the end of the file to another file? |
| 20:07.17 | obiwahn | now i try to boot with the encrypted swap |
| 20:07.32 | obiwahn | but it keeps failing because it is not opend first |
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| 20:08.05 | obiwahn | i worte somethig in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
| 20:08.18 | obiwahn | and /etc/uswsusp.conf |
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| 20:09.50 | TheWarden | In this example I just want to extract the contents of a file from line 115 to 119 to another file. mmm how can that be done? |
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| 20:11.01 | obiwahn | head -n 199 | tail -n 5 |
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| 20:13.00 | gnat_x | TheWarden: basically what obiwahn said. if you want the output at the end of the file, something like "cat infile |head -119 | tail -5 >> outfile" |
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| 20:14.40 | queso | How can I determine if a package I've installed is build for 32 or 64 bit in squeeze? If I've done a 64 bit squeeze install, should I assume all packages are 64 bit? |
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| 20:14.56 | TheWarden | mm I think I found a way by doing this sed -n 2,4p somefile.txt > someotherfile.txt |
| 20:15.01 | obiwahn | ok i use s2ram:) |
| 20:15.44 | obiwahn | i can not do it:P |
| 20:15.50 | TheWarden | obiwahn: thanks I'll give that a try. |
| 20:15.54 | TheWarden | gnat_x: thanks |
| 20:15.56 | rudi_s | queso: dpkg --print-architecture - and yes. |
| 20:15.58 | obiwahn | not in acceptable time:( |
| 20:16.12 | fbs | queso: afaik it isnt possible to install a 32b deb on 64b |
| 20:16.26 | fbs | i always got errrors |
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| 20:16.43 | rudi_s | fbs, queso: It is. Will work even better with multiarch (if it gets done) in wheezy. |
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| 20:17.00 | queso | rudi_s, fbs: Great, thank you. |
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| 20:17.17 | rudi_s | np |
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| 20:22.40 | Gargantua | ,v pidgin |
| 20:22.41 | judd | Package: pidgin on i386 -- lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny8; lenny-backports: 2.7.3-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 2.7.3-1+squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.7.3-1+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 2.7.3-1+squeeze3; sid: 2.10.6-1; wheezy: 2.10.6-1 |
| 20:23.26 | abrotman | Gargantua: you can msg the bot |
| 20:24.36 | Gargantua | That would be swell if I knew the bot's name. |
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| 20:24.55 | Gargantua | but thanks |
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| 20:27.40 | rudi_s | Gargantua: Now you do ;-) |
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| 20:35.20 | okcx_ | Hello, should I rather use XFCE or Mate? |
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| 20:44.11 | obiwahn | how do i tell uswswap not to try to boot off an image anymore? |
| 20:44.56 | jimcooncat | okcx, I've used both on LMDE and like them fine. I'd think they'd both be good in Debian stable as well. |
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| 20:45.26 | okcx_ | jimcooncat, I'm using XFCE atm, but pondering going back to Mate |
| 20:45.34 | okcx_ | I've used both before |
| 20:46.03 | okcx_ | I'm just installing Mate now and try which one is more suitable for me |
| 20:46.09 | Gargantua | Sounds like you need to take The Long Walk onto the land of minimalist WM's |
| 20:46.45 | okcx_ | I prefer complete DE's :P |
| 20:47.18 | Gargantua | Why? So you can feel a little dead on the inside every time your favorite one decides to pull a gnome3? |
| 20:47.26 | Gargantua | You can be in control. |
| 20:47.42 | ceil | lol |
| 20:47.48 | ceil | e16 > * |
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| 20:48.47 | jimcooncat | Gargantua: I'd love to play with some tiling WM's but they seem too geeky to me. I think I need a tiling WM to replace xfce's wm -- if I can still have my panels. (spouting nonsense I suppose) |
| 20:49.09 | ceil | panels are for sissies :p |
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| 20:51.30 | Gargantua | jimcooncat: minimalist does not necessarily equal tiling. |
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| 20:53.30 | ompaul | go get KDE and get on your high horse ;-) now can we leave the flame wars and opinion to elsewhere :) |
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| 20:53.50 | jimcooncat | Gargantua: every step outside of a default is an investment, and my time budget is really low. I'd need a whole weekend (I'm slow) to try out xmonad, awesome, etc. but my roof wouldn't get built. |
| 20:53.57 | ceil | ewww kde |
| 20:54.08 | knyn | is away: I'm busy, message me and I'll reply when back. |
| 20:54.11 | jimcooncat | ompaul, sorry, I'll leave this channel open for those who need support |
| 20:54.17 | ceil | knyn: no one cares |
| 20:54.18 | Gargantua | http://urukrama.wordpress.com/openbox-guide/ |
| 20:54.29 | knyn | ceil: I know, sorry. |
| 20:54.32 | knyn | IRC client... |
| 20:54.39 | Gargantua | Took me a day to switch from gnome to this following that: http://dotshare.it/public/images/uploads/425.jpg |
| 20:54.42 | ceil | IRC script... |
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| 20:54.46 | ceil | lrn2disable :X |
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| 20:55.30 | ceil | Gargantua: looks like mah second-favourite wm :) |
| 20:55.45 | ompaul | if you want to discuss opinions #debian-offtopic is useful but not here |
| 20:55.56 | ompaul | !popularity |
| 20:55.57 | dpkg | popularity is, like, not important in determining quality. If it was, then Windows 98 would be the ultimate OS at the time of writing. |
| 20:56.15 | ceil | dpkg needs an upgrade :p |
| 20:56.15 | dpkg | ceil: i don't know |
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| 21:12.26 | aidalgol | no XP is lisp (let ((i 1) (r 0)) (while (< i (random-choose '(3 4 5))) (setq r (+ r (* (expt 10 i) (roll-dice)))) (setq i (1+ i))) (if (random-choose '(nil t)) (+ r 5) r)) |
| 21:12.34 | aidalgol | er, wrong window. sorry |
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| 21:15.39 | jordanm | In gnome on squeeze, you can select a task from the task manager and "Always on Visible Workspace". Does anyone know if its possible to do this automatically when a particular application starts? |
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| 21:19.47 | SkAzZ1 | I'm getting an error during boot and I have to use Ctrl+D to continue.. What log is this saved in? I cannot find it in dmesg.. Also I would like to disable the maintenance mode as I won't be able to access the console |
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| 21:22.44 | jimcooncat | jordanm: I believe you could do this with wmctrl or devilspie |
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| 21:23.14 | digdilem | SkAzZ1, dmesg, messages or syslog spring to mind. Or write it down next time you're prompted? |
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| 21:23.53 | jordanm | jimcooncat: thanks |
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| 21:26.33 | Otkrick | Hello, world !!! |
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| 21:27.36 | Otkrick | guys, find . -type d -printf '%f\n' returns ". dir1 dir2 dir3". How I should remove "." in return? I need in return such as simply "dir1 dir2 dir3" |
| 21:29.54 | jimcooncat | Otkrick: one way would be to pipe it to a sed command that would remove it |
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| 21:30.23 | Brigo2 | Or cut ... |
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| 21:31.27 | gotmynick | or: find . -type d ! -name '.' -printf '%f\n' |
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| 21:33.02 | jimcooncat | gotmynick: elegant! |
| 21:33.03 | Otkrick | jimcooncat, gotmynick: thx |
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| 21:33.12 | sfdsf | ï· |
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| 21:33.35 | SkAzZ1 | digdilem: I have just taken a photo of it.. But I cant find the lines in any of those log files |
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| 21:33.50 | Otkrick | gotmynick: can't find in man, maybe you remember, how to sort it by alphabet? |
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| 21:33.55 | sfdsf | ï· |
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| 21:34.17 | sfdsf | ï· |
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| 21:34.56 | ChewieBeardy | what's ï· |
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| 21:36.25 | jordanm | jimcooncat: devilspie did exactly what I needed, thanks again |
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| 21:36.54 | gotmynick | Otkrick, mmm don't know, maybe pipe it to | sort ? |
| 21:37.26 | jordanm | erm, lot of wrong answers |
| 21:37.30 | jimcooncat | Otkrick: pipe to sort did it for me. find . -type d ! -name '.' -printf '%f\n' | sort |
| 21:37.30 | jordanm | Otkrick: -mindepth 1 |
| 21:37.51 | jordanm | (GNU find only) |
| 21:37.53 | Otkrick | gotmynick: i hoped that you know how it may be done with find ) thank you |
| 21:38.27 | jordanm | Otkrick: -mindepth 1 will cause find to not match the current directory, '.' |
| 21:38.58 | Otkrick | jordanm: ahh.. thanks |
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| 21:39.35 | sanitypassing | if I use brasero to burn an iso, will it automaticall flag the disc as bootable? |
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| 21:40.20 | jimcooncat | Otkrick: I cannot find the word "sort" in find's manpage. Going home now, good luck! |
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| 21:40.47 | Otkrick | jimcooncat: good luck! |
| 21:40.52 | streuner | sanitypassing: i see no reason why it shouldnt |
| 21:40.56 | sanitypassing | okay, thank you. |
| 21:41.18 | ChewieBeardy | ï· |
| 21:41.23 | jimcooncat | sanitypassing: always worked for me, but I never looked for a flag |
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| 21:42.14 | sanitypassing | okay. |
| 21:42.26 | sanitypassing | well, I've got 30 blank discs, so I have that many tries to get it right. |
| 21:43.35 | alemani | hello |
| 21:43.55 | Kizano_werk | world. |
| 21:43.59 | alemani | how to enable "focus follows mouse" under Debian 6.x ? |
| 21:44.07 | alemani | I went to System -> Preferences -> Windows |
| 21:44.09 | streuner | sanitypassing: if the iso is bootable, you shouldnt have a problem with brasero, IME |
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| 21:44.25 | alemani | and tick "Select windows when the mouse moves over them" |
| 21:44.30 | alemani | but no luck! |
| 21:44.32 | sanitypassing | it should be bootable. I just copied it from my old WinXP installer disc in case it got damage (which it did) |
| 21:44.37 | sanitypassing | s/damage/damaged/ |
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| 21:48.33 | streuner | sanitypassing: brasero is just a fine app, if you want more options just try k3b |
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| 21:50.53 | streuner | a7x: buona sera |
| 21:51.23 | streuner | sanitypassing: i used brasero to burn lots of Knoppix CD/DVDs wihtout any issue |
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| 22:03.02 | rizzle | can i do make install in debian like i with freebsd? |
| 22:03.16 | rizzle | like form some kind of src directory |
| 22:03.19 | nsadmin | sure, but be advised: |
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| 22:03.56 | nsadmin | if you set prefix to /usr, two bad things can happen: |
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| 22:04.13 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.33 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.38 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.25 | nsadmin | /usr/local is one good place for prefix, or /usr/local/someplace |
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| 22:06.02 | rizzle | ok , thanks nsadmin , that makes sense. Can i build the packages in home, like with kernels? |
| 22:06.11 | nsadmin | if you do the former, anything it puts in lib/ or bin/ will be found via PATH and ld.so |
| 22:06.40 | rizzle | hmm ok, thank you |
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| 22:06.58 | nsadmin | oh, do you actually want to build packages? (you may have to come up with a build system) |
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| 22:07.18 | marsfligth | Hi, how to 'cron' a bash script via another batch script? I need to distribute a script to make the app's updates via user added ppa's to my friends. The goal should be an executable script that just clicking on it create the cronjob as root |
| 22:07.34 | nsadmin | if you want to build debian packages, then /usr -would- be a good prefix |
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| 22:08.35 | nsadmin | marsfligth, you mean you want one script to add to the cron table? |
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| 22:09.37 | marsfligth | nsadmin: yes exactly |
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| 22:09.39 | Gargantua | you can just cp to cron.daily, cron.hourly, etc if that fits your need |
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| 22:11.13 | Vibe | hi |
| 22:11.17 | Vibe | ideas for my iommu passthrough problem? -> http://pastebin.com/4EshV7HX |
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| 22:12.08 | nsadmin | marsfligth, you should be able to do that |
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| 22:13.52 | nsadmin | nsadmin, so the outer script you run can copy to one of those dirs |
| 22:14.16 | nsadmin | mee talk preety to myself someday! |
| 22:14.30 | nsadmin | that was actually for marsfligth |
| 22:15.44 | jagginess | nsadmin, you sit on your thumb silly! oo |
| 22:16.09 | nsadmin | wut iz a thum sily? |
| 22:16.09 | jagginess | that guy marsfligth is still at it eh.. lol.. man |
| 22:16.24 | jagginess | nsadmin, rotate and don't fall off! |
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| 22:16.42 | marsfligth | nsadmin: yes. I don't knew that was in enough to copy the script in that folders. I read all manual about 'at', 'crontab' etc, but this is a very good news. Thanks for help me |
| 22:16.49 | nsadmin | rotates on herman miller aeron! |
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| 22:16.59 | jagginess | prefers to watch the new HD mars landing video instead of seeing marsfligth complain all the time |
| 22:17.22 | nsadmin | marsfligth, at is for "only once" and cron is for "periodic" |
| 22:17.23 | jagginess | anyone see the "actual" mars craft landing? it's out on jpl nasa site. pretty |
| 22:17.46 | jagginess | knows it's offtopic but quickly pointed out something from another WORLD! |
| 22:17.47 | nsadmin | jagginess, yeah, owww, lt landed on my head |
| 22:18.04 | nsadmin | so actualy , no, I didn't -see- it so much as felt it |
| 22:18.10 | jagginess | (no really check it out :)(i'll stfu about it now hehe) |
| 22:18.24 | marsfligth | nsadmin: this will help me a lot |
| 22:18.48 | nsadmin | marsfligth look at the scripts that are in (say) cron.daily |
| 22:19.29 | marsfligth | nsadmin: just one more thing, how can I set the execution time, I mean hours or minutes? |
| 22:19.34 | nsadmin | the cron.daily probably run at 6:30 am local time |
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| 22:19.53 | nsadmin | if you want to do that, then you would need a crontab entry |
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| 22:20.48 | nsadmin | so, you could either drop your script in (say) cron-daily... or you can copy the script somewhere and then make a crontab entry |
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| 22:23.02 | jordanm | execution time can be done with /etc/cron.d |
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| 22:23.58 | nsadmin | marsfligth, whether you pick the cron.daily method or the make-your-own-crontab-entry method, this is very doable |
| 22:24.24 | nsadmin | jordanm, how does that way work? |
| 22:24.26 | marsfligth | nsadmin: then 'cron.daily' has a default set time. Then, to modify the time of a specific job I have to use 'contrab -e', if I well understood. |
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| 22:25.06 | nsadmin | marsfligth, well you do one or the other, not both... also jordanm has maybe a third way |
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| 22:29.39 | marsfligth | Then, I can print a new line into '/etc/cron.d' file w/o having problems with 'crontab'? Reading few man's and forum, I understood that only 'crontab' can edit such file. If you edit wit another way, it does'nt understand it, but I haven't tsstet yet |
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| 22:33.02 | jordanm | marsfligth: not true, but crontab will complain if you try to save the file with a syntax error |
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| 22:33.26 | marsfligth | I'll make some tries to verify the behavior on the bench ;) |
| 22:35.53 | marsfligth | jordanm: great info, ok I'have to be very attentive on syntax. To edit I'd use 'wc, printf or sed', do you think that they are suitable? |
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| 22:39.44 | jordanm | marsfligth: none, have the file already written and distribute it |
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| 22:40.35 | Gargantua | Is there a way to have something like rcconf that can output flat text files? |
| 22:40.45 | Gargantua | Like if I watned to show a friend the services I have running in boot time, for example. |
| 22:40.47 | marsfligth | in this file '/etc/cron.d/anacron' I found the root's croned jobs |
| 22:42.19 | jordanm | marsfligth: not everyone will have anacron installed |
| 22:43.13 | jordanm | Gargantua: sysv-rc-conf --list |
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| 22:43.49 | jordanm | Gargantua: or chkconfig --list |
| 22:43.52 | marsfligth | for now I get many useful informations. I have to apply them to verify. Thank you for help me |
| 22:44.26 | Gargantua | Great, thanks |
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| 23:07.53 | Gargantua | Who runs judd? is there a way to get a similar functionality to its ",v" thing? |
| 23:10.43 | nsadmin | Gargantua, it's themill, you could ask him for the code and what kind of bot it is. it's probably not an infobot or bloot, it might be an egg |
| 23:11.16 | Gargantua | thanks |
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| 23:19.01 | ManoftheSea | lol wtf debian? |
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| 23:19.12 | ManoftheSea | My terminal is now called "ter inal" |
| 23:19.23 | ManoftheSea | In the alt-tab window. |
| 23:19.43 | Gargantua | Yes, totally Debian's fault. |
| 23:19.45 | ddbs | I've got some libraries I compiled manually, they come out as .so and .a files--how do I let debian know about them? |
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| 23:19.53 | Gargantua | Debian and "m" are notoriously bad dude. |
| 23:20.00 | Gargantua | Switch to W8 |
| 23:20.04 | ManoftheSea | Gargantua: why u no fix already? |
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| 23:22.26 | ManoftheSea | ok, and now it's there again. |
| 23:22.31 | ManoftheSea | I logged out and back in. |
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| 23:22.37 | ManoftheSea | That might actually be worse. |
| 23:22.51 | ManoftheSea | I'd rather do effort and fix it, than have it randomly broken. |
| 23:22.56 | ManoftheSea | I'm risk-adverse, you see. |
| 23:23.11 | ManoftheSea | Gargantua: I blame you, you know |
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| 23:36.51 | parcs` | where can i get a more recent kernel for debian testing/sid? |
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| 23:38.10 | nkuttler | parcs`: kernel.org? |
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| 23:39.15 | nkuttler | parcs`: oh, experimental as well |
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| 23:39.57 | parcs` | last time i installed an experimental kerenl i couldn't boot to desktop :P |
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| 23:40.37 | Brigo | parcs`: that's the problems of experimental things :-) |
| 23:40.39 | ManoftheSea | parcs`: what do you want, stability or cutting edge? |
| 23:40.50 | parcs` | ManoftheSea: i want my hardware to work! :) |
| 23:41.27 | Brigo | parcs`: graphics or wifi? :-) |
| 23:41.37 | ManoftheSea | parcs`: stick with the current kernel. |
| 23:41.44 | nkuttler | parcs`: you should get into the habit of checking for linux support before buying new hardware |
| 23:41.59 | parcs` | Brigo: graphics and wifi work fine, but i can't change the brightness of the screen |
| 23:42.09 | Brigo | parcs`: laptop? |
| 23:42.32 | parcs` | yeah |
| 23:42.43 | parcs` | /proc/acpi/video doesn't even exist |
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| 23:51.37 | parcs` | bah, /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness exists but adjusting the value does nothing :( |
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