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| 00:00.41 | parcs` | yay, adding acpi_osi=Linux works |
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| 00:01.41 | parcs` | how do you permamently change the grub boot parameters? |
| 00:02.53 | Brigo | parcs`: update-grub? |
| 00:03.36 | parcs` | do i edit /etc/default/grub? |
| 00:04.09 | Brigo | parcs`: better dpkg-reconfigure grub |
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| 00:04.24 | ntt | hi all |
| 00:04.25 | ManoftheSea | parcs`: yes, /etc/default/grub |
| 00:05.08 | parcs` | thank you |
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| 00:05.46 | ManoftheSea | ok, debian... I'm having a difficulty with evolution, and I just upgraded version. I'd like a little help debugging: |
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| 00:06.20 | ManoftheSea | I added a new account. It won't accept my password, with the error: "Unable to find password(s) in keyring |
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| 00:10.25 | Brigo | did you try it in text mode, without X? |
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| 00:13.50 | parcs` | should one install laptop-mode or does the "laptop" task in tasksel already install power-saving scripts? |
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| 00:14.55 | parcs` | laptop-mode-tools* |
| 00:16.32 | Brigo | i dont know ... try it :-) |
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| 00:17.30 | soliloquy1 | <soliloquy1> I am working on a GTK 3 theme. I have a background-image defined to draw the gradient (which is complicated and not easy to draw from within the engine for various reasons) that should be stretched to fill completely every button. Instead, it simply cuts off once it has filled the button; how do I change this. |
| 00:19.14 | ManoftheSea | soliloquy1: named because you're talking to yourself? |
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| 00:21.05 | soliloquy1 | no, because I typed this up to ask over at Gnome, where I got no answer, I was I too lazy to retype the same thing twice. |
| 00:21.37 | ceil | but you weren't too lazy to copy more than necessary to paste here? |
| 00:22.01 | soliloquy1 | I didn't realize that I had copied more than needed. |
| 00:22.25 | soliloquy1 | And I've been working on this obnoxious bug _all_ day long with no luck. |
| 00:22.58 | ManoftheSea | ceil, more than necessary? |
| 00:23.02 | ManoftheSea | It didn't seem so bad. |
| 00:23.06 | ceil | ManoftheSea: his nick :p |
| 00:23.29 | ManoftheSea | oh bah, you're too nitpicky. |
| 00:24.02 | soliloquy1 | First off, I'm a her. |
| 00:24.18 | soliloquy1 | secondly, yes, I tend to be verbose. |
| 00:24.21 | soliloquy1 | But also lazy. |
| 00:24.22 | ceil | her nick* |
| 00:24.26 | ceil | :) |
| 00:24.43 | ManoftheSea | girls? on the internet? outreach has worked! |
| 00:24.47 | soliloquy1 | ... there are actually *some* female linux users out there, you know. |
| 00:25.01 | ceil | yeah, all three of yall are very special :3 |
| 00:25.02 | ManoftheSea | I've been reading about it on the gnome and debian blogs. |
| 00:25.05 | ceil | </trolling> |
| 00:25.12 | soliloquy1 | lol |
| 00:25.13 | ManoftheSea | not trolling |
| 00:25.15 | ceil | :p |
| 00:25.24 | soliloquy1 | no, it is legitamently an issue. |
| 00:25.42 | soliloquy1 | Especially - do you know how hard it is to find pink metacity themes? |
| 00:25.56 | soliloquy1 | (actually, I prefer monochrome) |
| 00:26.01 | ceil | not very - i found several while setting up a pc for my goddaughter :p |
| 00:26.17 | soliloquy1 | haha |
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| 00:26.28 | ceil | most were high-contrast eyesores, true, but they were very pink :p |
| 00:26.32 | soliloquy1 | yeah, my dad lured me to linux when I was about ten with the promise of compiz and emerald |
| 00:26.33 | ManoftheSea | soliloquy1: please don't play into stereotypes unless you're being serious. |
| 00:26.45 | abrotman | ahem .. |
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| 00:27.01 | ceil | steals abrotman @ |
| 00:27.01 | soliloquy1 | no, I'm only kidding - although I actually do like pink, just not on my windows. |
| 00:27.03 | ceil | (muahahaha) |
| 00:27.16 | ceil | i like pink too :) |
| 00:27.19 | ManoftheSea | abrotman is going to tell us to go to offtopic |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 00:27.23 | ceil | (silly colour-based sexism) |
| 00:27.28 | ManoftheSea | in b4! |
| 00:27.29 | ceil | lol psychic |
| 00:27.38 | abrotman | no, really |
| 00:27.50 | soliloquy1 | well, I'm a feminist. I just have a sense of humor about it And on that note, I should go. |
| 00:28.06 | ceil | gl with your problem tho |
| 00:28.11 | ceil | doesn't use gnome |
| 00:28.17 | soliloquy1 | thanks - I'm not holding my breath on this one |
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| 00:51.38 | ntt | has anyone had issue with in application icons messing? I'm getting that with thunar and software centre despite having intsalled every gtk+ icon theme in the repos. |
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| 00:52.21 | ntt | desktop icons seem to be ok |
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| 01:14.09 | ManoftheSea | Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. Study hard, be evil. It's fun to use learning for evil. |
| 01:15.36 | dvs | I knew that Hawkins fella was up to no good |
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| 01:18.33 | debconf | What is debconf's "frontend" used for? (Such as when you install a package with gdebi) ... It tries to use "Gnome" and if libgnome2-perl isn't installed, falls back to "Dialog" ... ? |
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| 01:19.26 | meejah | i've been having problems with iceweasel and ratpoison: no menus at all work (no context, no file menus, no autodropdown from address bar). this is using the firefox 14 based on from experimental -- ring any bells for anyone? not sure if this is iceweasel, firefox or ratpoison problem |
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| 01:20.04 | Aginor | ManoftheSea, you should get one of these: http://store.dieselsweeties.com/products/its-fun-to-use-learning-for-evil-black |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:20.10 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:20.28 | abrotman | debconf: why is that confusing ? |
| 01:20.34 | Aginor | I stand corrected |
| 01:20.55 | debconf | abrotman: I just don't understand exactly what this "Gnome"/"Dialog" frontend is *used* for? |
| 01:21.50 | debconf | or what exactly "Dialog" would be (as i don't have the `dialog` package installed) |
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| 01:22.42 | abrotman | debconf: apt-cache show dialog |
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| 01:23.31 | debconf | Yes, but I'm saying I'm not even sure that's what debconf refers to as "Dialog" because it doesn't show any error over the fact I don't have it installed. |
| 01:23.50 | debconf | And I see no difference in behavior regardless of whether I do or don't have libgnome2-perl ... |
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| 01:25.08 | Daviey | debconf: do you have whiptail installed? |
| 01:25.16 | debconf | yes.. |
| 01:25.31 | meejah | ...if it helps, a firefox based on 10.something ESR has working menus |
| 01:25.39 | Daviey | debconf: then Dialog will use that |
| 01:26.12 | debconf | Daviey: Yes, but do you know how debconf uses it exactly? Like I said, I see no difference ... |
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| 01:27.06 | abrotman | debconf: you'll see a difference if you chooose say, dialog vs readline |
| 01:27.12 | abrotman | or should |
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| 01:27.23 | Daviey | debconf: If you need to answer any debconf questions.. normally medium and above priority, then you need an input mechanism |
| 01:27.35 | debconf | oh, never seen that ... |
| 01:28.26 | Daviey | debconf: ie, setting a Password for some packages. |
| 01:28.51 | debconf | thanks |
| 01:28.55 | Daviey | debconf: if you do it via the terminal, and whiptail doesn't have enough screen space to display it.. you'll get Readline.. which is not fun. |
| 01:29.16 | Daviey | debconf: For a full description, you can see the man page.. which is mirrored here, http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man7/debconf.7.html |
| 01:30.23 | ManoftheSea | Ah, you said the magic word! |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=debconf&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+6.0+squeeze&format=html&locale=en |
| 01:30.58 | abrotman | probably more relevant than an ubuntu man page |
| 01:31.12 | Daviey | abrotman: feel free to diff it. |
| 01:31.16 | ManoftheSea | Daviey: have a seat. What were you thinking?! |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | Daviey: it has a changelog |
| 01:31.55 | abrotman | bugs get fixed |
| 01:33.04 | Daviey | abrotman: So you provided the useless manpage 1, well done. |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | for the distro he is running .. instead of one he is not .. |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | and unless you can prove there is zero difference, please use Debian references |
| 01:33.38 | Daviey | yes, but you still provided useless support there. |
| 01:33.57 | debconf | shhhh you twoooo <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 01:34.03 | Daviey | abrotman: man 1 there doesn't provide any value to the supprt question. |
| 01:34.16 | ManoftheSea | Daviey: it has a link to man7 debconf |
| 01:34.23 | abrotman | Daviey: when you're in the Debian channel, please use Debian references. You're welcome to do whatever you'd like in #ubuntu |
| 01:34.27 | ManoftheSea | That's better than your link, which is an unsupported distro |
| 01:35.15 | debconf | btw i added a 'dman' command to yubnub in case anyone uses that :) |
| 01:36.00 | jagginess | me nibble wibble spinkle whipp! |
| 01:36.10 | jagginess | ya'll gone mad! |
| 01:36.25 | debconf | blame canada? |
| 01:36.27 | jagginess | whipps everyone around like a madman |
| 01:36.31 | dvs | hey! |
| 01:36.35 | Daviey | abrotman: whatever, i don't see the problem. It's the same content. |
| 01:36.49 | abrotman | but not the same program |
| 01:37.01 | abrotman | did you do the diff? |
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| 01:37.35 | Daviey | i wasn't linking to the programme, but the manpage.. Do you know the difference between the two? |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | i'm not even sure why i have to have a discussion to point a Debina user at a Debian man page ... |
| 01:38.00 | jagginess | Daviey, sometimes the bottom of the manpage says "modified" by whom/when :/ |
| 01:38.02 | abrotman | "Hey folks in #opensuse, you sohuld use RHEL man pages, you both use RPM!!" |
| 01:38.03 | jagginess | mwhahahaa |
| 01:38.09 | jagginess | whipps out the manpages from shell |
| 01:38.29 | Daviey | abrotman: you provided a different url, which is fine.. but it hindered the support question, as it was a useless page for the question being answered. |
| 01:38.38 | abrotman | not really |
| 01:38.49 | jagginess | Daviey, ok so move on to the next manpage.. |
| 01:39.04 | abrotman | Daviey: as i said, please use Debian references, thank you |
| 01:39.54 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: opensuse and rhel are off-topic here. |
| 01:40.02 | abrotman | as is Ubuntu |
| 01:40.30 | jagginess | oh ManoftheSea you really are the same guy-- i've seen give bad advice in the past! lol |
| 01:40.32 | Daviey | abrotman: please stop talking about distros unrelated to this channel. thank you |
| 01:40.33 | ManoftheSea | :) |
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| 01:40.39 | ManoftheSea | Daviey: you first. |
| 01:40.39 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 01:40.48 | jagginess | yeah he was trolling alright |
| 01:40.52 | jagginess | ty abrotman |
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| 01:41.08 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: You said I give bad advice? |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | Daviey: if you're unwilling to be a productive and constructive part of this channel, please stop pretending |
| 01:41.13 | ManoftheSea | I try to give good advice. |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | Daviey: this channel is for *Debian* support |
| 01:41.23 | ManoftheSea | I just think you guys are more experienced than me at times. |
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| 01:42.15 | ManoftheSea | so, I fixed my IMAP problem. Bad username. Now I still have an SMTP problem. Is it off-topic to say I hate Outlook Web Access and Microsoft help pages? |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | bad username? |
| 01:42.40 | ManoftheSea | It's on-topic to say Debian's version of Evolution works with Outlook.com IMAP. |
| 01:43.05 | ManoftheSea | yeah. I was trying xyz, and I needed xyz@notstated.college.edu |
| 01:43.09 | jordanm | newer versions of evolution have exchange MAPI support |
| 01:43.31 | ManoftheSea | where email from the college come from abc@college.edu addresses |
| 01:43.33 | jordanm | unfortanetly, all versions of evolution are pretty bad |
| 01:43.42 | abrotman | IMAP or MAPI ? |
| 01:43.50 | ManoftheSea | IMAP. |
| 01:43.56 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: right, IMAP wasn't the problem |
| 01:44.00 | ManoftheSea | I... guess I could try evolution-mapi |
| 01:44.32 | ManoftheSea | goes back to useless MS help docs. |
| 01:44.53 | abrotman | there are a few quirks with using Evo/TB with Exchange IMAP, but nothing unworkable |
| 01:45.05 | ManoftheSea | "How to set up your email client: Steps 1, 2 and 3: Put the information into the boxes. OKAY. For more help, try these pages" |
| 01:45.15 | ManoftheSea | WHAT FRIGGIN INFO, MS? |
| 01:45.24 | ManoftheSea | TB? |
| 01:45.28 | jordanm | I have bad performance issues with exhcange 2003 + squeeze icedove. works fine with upstream TB though |
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| 01:45.33 | jordanm | ManoftheSea: thunderbird |
| 01:45.35 | ManoftheSea | oh. |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | Thunderbird, or from Debian Icedove |
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| 01:45.59 | ManoftheSea | is evolution the default install? |
| 01:46.08 | ManoftheSea | I don't remember picking Evo over ID. |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | if you install the gnome task, it pulls evo |
| 01:46.22 | jordanm | evolution might be part of gnome |
| 01:47.18 | jagginess | wants a little animal peering out of the debian logo |
| 01:48.18 | ManoftheSea | ok, yep, that's where I got it. |
| 01:48.27 | ManoftheSea | jagginess: would it be a marsupial? |
| 01:48.59 | ManoftheSea | My understanding is that everything must be named after marsupials. From Linux kernels to (unnamed distro)'s 6-month releases. |
| 01:49.01 | jagginess | ManoftheSea, "it" |
| 01:49.17 | jagginess | a hand from the addamsfamily |
| 01:50.35 | jagginess | um you got that wrong about kernel releases. again another false claim.. |
| 01:50.42 | jagginess | lol |
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| 01:51.39 | ManoftheSea | Feisty Dunnart |
| 01:51.41 | giganticChip | the unnamed distro's first release was called warty warthog cause of all the bugs. |
| 01:51.44 | ManoftheSea | Zonked Quokka |
| 01:51.49 | ManoftheSea | Woozy Numbat |
| 01:52.10 | giganticChip | where dose that suse fall into the name catagory then? Weezy? |
| 01:52.17 | ManoftheSea | Lordi Rules |
| 01:52.35 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: please move this to #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:53.07 | ManoftheSea | ok. |
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| 03:13.41 | daniel-s | Hi, I'm using easy-rsa from the openssl package |
| 03:13.44 | daniel-s | what are/should I put for, PKCS11_MODULE_PATH and PKCS11_PIN |
| 03:13.49 | daniel-s | (in the vars file) |
| 03:14.05 | daniel-s | also, what does KEY_OU mean? |
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| 03:20.49 | ManoftheSea | daniel-s: pkcs11 is usually used for smartcards. |
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| 03:21.10 | ManoftheSea | If you are using a smartcard, the #opensc channel may be more helpful. |
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| 03:21.56 | ManoftheSea | I would guess that KEY_OU is Organizational Unit, which is part of the certificate for the CA. |
| 03:22.20 | ManoftheSea | openssl has it's own channel too, at #openssl (which I see you've found) |
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| 03:41.39 | KM0201 | does anyone know how to change the default pastebin for pastebinit 1.1? i keep getting the "no API error"... everything i read says upgrade to 1.3.. but i don't have that option available. |
| 03:41.55 | gry | why not? |
| 03:42.17 | KM0201 | why not?... cuz when i run apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, it doesn't come up as an option? |
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| 03:42.47 | gry | can you find a .deb file with a new version, outside of debian repos, or just compile? |
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| 03:43.05 | KM0201 | i'd rather use the debian repos |
| 03:43.15 | KM0201 | i could probably find a .debian package, but... again, i'd rather use the repos. |
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| 03:43.49 | gry | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pastebinit has few newer |
| 03:44.15 | gry | some smarter people than me would tell how to install a 'testing' version with apt without manual downloads |
| 03:44.27 | KM0201 | sighs. |
| 03:44.48 | caf | there's an official debian "backports" repository that might have it |
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| 03:46.19 | KM0201 | eh, doesn't matter i guess, i just used the wheezy package and it seems to work fine |
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| 03:49.23 | daniel-s | thanks ManoftheSea |
| 03:49.40 | daniel-s | I just want an openvpn server to my home network |
| 03:49.57 | daniel-s | do I just leave pkcs11 blank if I'm not interested in smartcards? |
| 03:52.01 | sney | daniel-s: the howto at openvpn.net is very complete and explains everything you need to do, I recommend reading it |
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| 04:23.06 | somiaj | IamTrying: have you tried xrandr? |
| 04:23.44 | somiaj | well if you aren't seeing any output from boot, could it be something in the bios, you should at least see some text at boot. |
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| 04:29.11 | ddbs | Can anyone tell me how to install libraries that I just built? I few .a and .so files. |
| 04:29.29 | ddbs | Can I just put them in /usr/lib? |
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| 05:06.29 | somiaj | ddbs: don't put things in /usr/lib that you don't use dpkg (or build a package) for |
| 05:06.41 | somiaj | ddbs: use /usr/local for stuff like that, or build your own .dpkg |
| 05:06.48 | somiaj | ddbs: what libaries did you build and why are you needing to do this? |
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| 05:10.01 | ddbs | atlas for blas |
| 05:10.41 | ddbs | supposedly can get better performance compiling myself, but have been tearing my hair out today trying to get numpy to recognize it |
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| 05:11.29 | ddbs | so if i put it in /usr/local/atlas/lib+include, what do i do from there? |
| 05:11.58 | ddbs | i guess i can't just run ldconfig or something? |
| 05:12.41 | karlpinc | ddbs: I don't know what atlas is, but /usr/local/{lib,include} is probably where things should go. Possibly an atlas sub-directory. |
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| 05:14.03 | ddbs | it's a library that has optimizations for linear algebra when running on cpu--and allows multithreading through python and stuff for certain things |
| 05:14.22 | ddbs | ah, ok |
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| 05:14.34 | ddbs | so maybe if i just drop the files into /usr/local/lib or whatever? |
| 05:14.37 | ddbs | is that all i have to do? |
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| 05:14.54 | ddbs | the libs themselves seem to have compiled and built fine as they passed all the build + benchmark tests |
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| 05:15.33 | somiaj | yes /usr/local/lib is parsed when programs looked for libs |
| 05:15.39 | karlpinc | ddbs: Usually a "make install" will put things in /usr/local/lib or whatever. Sometimes you need to use --prefix with ./config |
| 05:16.24 | ddbs | yeah, so the make install did put it in /usr/local/atlas/ |
| 05:16.47 | somiaj | ddbs: are those packages in debian? And you just want to compile yourself so you get better preformace? |
| 05:16.52 | ddbs | but i generally don't move outside the package manager much, so i'm kind of stuck and the docs kind of assume you know what you're doing |
| 05:16.59 | ddbs | yeah, basically |
| 05:17.07 | ddbs | i also tried debian's suggestion |
| 05:17.09 | karlpinc | me thinks the tab key has made my brain forget trailing characters. |
| 05:17.16 | somiaj | ddbs: add a deb-src to your sources.list |
| 05:17.21 | ddbs | of compiling from source via apt-get source or whatever |
| 05:17.23 | somiaj | ddbs: apt-get build-dep pkgname |
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| 05:17.29 | somiaj | ddbs: apt-get -b source pkgname |
| 05:17.36 | ddbs | but that failed with some weird error after running for 2 hours |
| 05:17.48 | ddbs | yeah, tried that |
| 05:17.53 | karlpinc | ddbs: Did you do the build-dep? |
| 05:17.54 | somiaj | did you run it as root? (or fakeroot) |
| 05:17.55 | ddbs | i really think manually adding is my best bet |
| 05:17.57 | ddbs | i've got the libs |
| 05:18.01 | ddbs | i did |
| 05:18.27 | ddbs | i just need to know where to put them i think |
| 05:18.37 | ddbs | assuming there isn't some package that's overriding it |
| 05:18.47 | somiaj | well you can install stuff in /usr/local just fine, just realize you have to manage it yourself and unless you use some tool like stow |
| 05:19.10 | somiaj | dpkg puts stuff in /usr, so /usr/local is left for basically wahat you are doing |
| 05:19.11 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, somiaj |
| 05:19.48 | ddbs | hmm, ok |
| 05:20.00 | ddbs | yeah, maybe there is a conflict after all then... only thing i can think of |
| 05:20.01 | somiaj | also note that since you are talking about libs, and other packages may depend on them |
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| 05:20.12 | somiaj | you won't want the debian package and source installed at the same time |
| 05:20.28 | somiaj | You might have to use something like equivs in order to create a package holder for the stuff you did locally with source. |
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| 05:22.49 | ddbs | hmmmm, ok |
| 05:23.00 | ddbs | yeah, that makes sense, that's likely what's going on |
| 05:23.11 | _strog | good morning, i ran the command "apt-get update" on my server and i get the error message "E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/Http could not be found." any idea why? |
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| 05:26.27 | ddbs | somiaj, thanks for your help, i'm off to strip my system of any possibly conflicting libs :-) |
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| 05:29.51 | _strog | good morning, i ran the command "apt-get update" on my server and i get the error message "E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/Http could not be found." any idea why? |
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| 05:32.44 | gnarface | _strog: well it looks like apt is broken, but if you didn't break it then its just as likely its too old |
| 05:33.37 | gnarface | _strog: fyi i don't have that file either though so maybe your sources.list is wrong? or mayb ei dunno, try ftp? or try http in lower-case? or look in the directory? |
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| 05:35.59 | mmnicolas | I reproduced that error by replacing http with Http in sources.list, so yes |
| 05:37.02 | _strog | mmnicolas: ah yes found a "H" too :) thank you guys |
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| 05:44.27 | somiaj | there is a /usr/lib/apt/methods/http -- wonder what is causing it to be capitcal. |
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| 05:44.44 | gnarface | somiaj: solved, his sources.list |
| 05:44.52 | somiaj | yea, I'm slow |
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| 06:13.31 | rizzle | anyone have a way they recommend, for encrypting disks in debian. Or perhaps even better yet a "debian way" for encryption? |
| 06:14.25 | gnarface | rizzle: i think the installer supports a method build-in if you're in expert mode at least (maybe i'm wrong) |
| 06:14.46 | rizzle | hmm, i though i have seen that before. let me run it an give it a go. |
| 06:14.51 | rizzle | thought* |
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| 06:15.59 | iToast | hey |
| 06:16.00 | gnarface | rizzle: otherwise, LUKS seems to be popular for full-partition encryption. |
| 06:16.07 | iToast | Just a curiosity about debian on phones |
| 06:16.15 | gnarface | rizzle: there are multiple solutions though, even at least one userspace one |
| 06:16.15 | iToast | Why not take on a new model? |
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| 06:16.25 | iToast | Instead ofrunning beside the native os replace it but do what it did. |
| 06:16.34 | iToast | Keep its file system, and support its apps |
| 06:16.42 | gnarface | iToast: since when is debian on phones? |
| 06:16.50 | rizzle | iToast, this isnt really the channel to make suggestions to debian devs |
| 06:17.00 | iToast | gnarface, Debian on cells running android |
| 06:17.06 | gnarface | oh |
| 06:17.07 | iToast | It's been done many times and debian runs amazing on them |
| 06:17.17 | rizzle | gnarface, that actually makes no sense |
| 06:17.24 | iToast | rizzle, it does |
| 06:17.36 | rizzle | you do a debian debootstrap on the phone |
| 06:17.38 | gnarface | rizzle: (the userspace one can't encrypt whole partitions. its more like an encrypted zip file) |
| 06:18.02 | rizzle | but its still not really shone software |
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| 06:18.45 | iToast | rizzle, it is |
| 06:18.50 | rizzle | iToast, i think really question is why are phones 700 dollars when a comparable tablet is 70 |
| 06:19.02 | iToast | rizzle, what comparable tablet is 70? |
| 06:19.05 | gnarface | rizzle: take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:19.19 | gnarface | rizzle: this is a support channel |
| 06:19.25 | rizzle | iToast, i dont think so. What are the programs you use to have a phone plan within your linux console? |
| 06:19.44 | iToast | rizzle, lets goto offtopi |
| 06:19.45 | gnarface | hmm. asterisk i think? |
| 06:19.47 | iToast | im waitign there for u |
| 06:20.29 | iToast | rizzle, so what $70 tablet can compare with a $700 cell |
| 06:21.28 | Blue1 | a tin can with string? |
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| 06:55.50 | zW | Hi there. I'm using an install iso from kmuto.jp as I have some new hardware that was not supported yet. |
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| 06:56.12 | zW | I copied the vmlinuz and initrd.gz to my PXE system and that works. But for some reason it keeps on asking for the cdrom. |
| 06:56.17 | zW | Any clues on how I can fix that ? |
| 06:56.35 | bonks | Does anyone know how to run tmux as a non-root user? I get the error "create session failed: : Exec format error". I can't run screen either I get "No more PTYs." |
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| 06:59.08 | gnarface | zW: your /etc/apt/sources.list probably still has the cdrom lines from your install disk. its supposed to comment them out but sometimes something goes wrong and you have to do it yourself |
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| 06:59.37 | gnarface | zW: this is likely to be unrelated to your new kernel, unless maybe if your cdrom wasn't recognized before |
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| 07:00.04 | gnarface | zW: (i don't know if apt would have been smart enough to ignore cdrom:// lines in the event no cdrom devices were detected) |
| 07:00.12 | bonks | Oops I got disconnected |
| 07:00.13 | bonks | Does anyone know how to run tmux as a non-root user? I get the error "create session failed: : Exec format error". I can't run screen either I get "No more PTYs." |
| 07:00.31 | zW | gnarface: but the cdrom is not needed anymore, it should fetch everything from pxe and internet |
| 07:00.31 | gnarface | bonks: probably a limitation of your virtual machine |
| 07:00.49 | zW | Can I adjust the sources.list somewhere in initrd or something ? |
| 07:01.11 | gnarface | zW: but you have to TELL it that by commenting it out in the /etc/apt/sources.list, or it will keep trying to index your packages based on a cdrom you don't have in your drive anymore. this will elicit a read error. |
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| 07:01.15 | bonks | gnarface: Oh not because it's debian? It works fine in root or on a similar ubuntu vps. Thought he ubuntu vps is running kvm and this debian one uses openvz |
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| 07:01.59 | gnarface | bonks: uh... well i guess i don't know for sure, but typically the inability to add new /dev nodes is something restricted at the host machine level, not within the guest itself |
| 07:02.20 | gnarface | bonks: and that's a pretty universal base security measure for virtual systems in general |
| 07:02.42 | gnarface | bonks: there are ways to avoid it, but nobody running a virtual host for clients would do so if they knew the security risks |
| 07:03.04 | zW | gnarface: I know, but _where_, I just added the vmlinuz and initrd.gz to the pxe, nothing else |
| 07:03.18 | gnarface | zW: i just told you; /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:03.37 | bonks | gnarface: I see, I will try a kvm based debian vps and see how it goes. Thanks for your input! |
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| 07:03.54 | gnarface | zW: what part isn't making sense? open the text file "/etc/apt/sources.list" and commend out any lines that start with "cdrom://" |
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| 07:04.15 | gnarface | zW: then run apt-get update and if it doesn't complain you're fine |
| 07:04.34 | zW | gnarface: My box boots from PXE and goes into the debian installer I added to it. How can I change the sources file then? Can i just go to a console in the installer then? |
| 07:04.40 | gnarface | zW: but make sure you have normal http or ftp lines in there for some good mirrors or, obiously you'll get a new exciting error |
| 07:05.05 | gnarface | zW: you're using preseeding? |
| 07:05.16 | zW | gnarface: I tried both |
| 07:05.27 | zW | gnarface: preseeding is the goal actually |
| 07:05.30 | milligan | Hey guys. I'm using different browsers but for the most part I use google chrome. The phenomena is the same for all though, so I presume the problem is with the plugin. When I watch i.e videos on newspapers etc, the browser will slowly and steadily become less responsive and videos will stop working etc .. Very vague description, but has anyone experienced the same ? |
| 07:05.30 | zW | but that had the same issue. |
| 07:06.13 | gnarface | zW: well in a NORMAL install this is usually taken care of automatically. since you're NOT doing a normal install, yes, you'll probably have to make provisions in your hands-off install scripts to make sure a good sources.list gets copied over |
| 07:06.28 | gnarface | zW: but this should be well within the capabilities of preseeding |
| 07:06.37 | gnarface | zW: i've never tried PXE boot |
| 07:06.52 | gnarface | zW: i thought pxe boot just copied a pre-installed image to ram |
| 07:07.23 | gnarface | dpkg, sources.list? |
| 07:07.23 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 07:07.37 | zW | gnarface: Yes, indeed. |
| 07:08.09 | zW | gnarface: But for some reason the vmlinuz and initrd.gz I have copied from the kmuto.jp iso I downloaded are still expecting cdrom somewhere |
| 07:08.17 | zW | And I can't figure out why or where |
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| 07:08.36 | gnarface | zW: yea so if pxe just copies over a pre-installed image, then yea, you'll have to edit said pre-installed image... dunno how you got one without making your own from scratch in the first place honestly but i don't think i want to know |
| 07:09.39 | gnarface | zW: from what you've told me i assumed your problem was that apt/aptitude can't find a *CD-ROM* .... NOT that your *kernel* can't even find the *CD-ROM DRIVE*.... but obviously those are two vastly different problems |
| 07:10.06 | gnarface | zW: and either way you don't need it, it sounds like |
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| 07:13.14 | zW | gnarface: pfrt. You are not understanding my issue :) |
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| 07:13.55 | zW | gnarface: There are official debian installers with a newer kernel then the stock kernel in squeeze, for people with hardware that is not yet supported in the normal squeeze stock kernel |
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| 07:14.28 | zW | You can find those on http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 07:14.34 | gnarface | zW: i'm aware of the existence of kmuto, but yes, i'm NOT understanding your problem in spite of that |
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| 07:14.44 | zW | There I downloaded the last netinstall image and burned it on a cd |
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| 07:14.51 | gnarface | zW: so try stating your problem again, this time be *pedantically* detailed |
| 07:15.03 | zW | I installed my server and everything was working out of the box. |
| 07:15.14 | gnarface | ok good |
| 07:15.17 | gnarface | wait |
| 07:15.23 | zW | Then I though 'Oh, it would be handy to be able to install this type of server over PXE' |
| 07:15.25 | gnarface | at this point your install is on local disk right? |
| 07:15.29 | gnarface | ok |
| 07:15.33 | zW | Yes, on the cdrom I burned :) |
| 07:15.42 | gnarface | wait |
| 07:15.57 | gnarface | at this point the INSTALL (not the installer) is on LOCAL HARDDRIVE right? |
| 07:16.18 | zW | gnarface: just a normal netboot install from a minimal netboot cdrom |
| 07:16.23 | gnarface | you just told me you installed from cdrom to cdrom. you can see how that's factually obviously inaccurate but at the same time utterly perplexing when diagnosing your problem, right? |
| 07:16.29 | zW | lol nu :) |
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| 07:16.37 | zW | I installed from cdrom -> disk |
| 07:16.40 | gnarface | ok thank you |
| 07:16.45 | gnarface | so that worked |
| 07:16.48 | zW | Yes |
| 07:17.14 | zW | And because it worked that good I decided to try adding that installer to my PXE environment |
| 07:17.16 | gnarface | so after that did you run "apt-get update" or "apt-get upgrade" or the aptitude equivalents of either? or did you just wipe it to go for PXE with no further testing? |
| 07:17.31 | zW | Yes, apt-get update worked |
| 07:17.38 | gnarface | ok |
| 07:17.49 | gnarface | and was that an install using the kmuto installer as well? |
| 07:18.05 | gnarface | or just stock debian squeeze you said? |
| 07:18.11 | zW | Wait |
| 07:18.34 | zW | So after all that I copied the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from the kmuto cdrom to my pxe |
| 07:18.39 | zW | and added an entry for it |
| 07:18.44 | gnarface | uh |
| 07:19.00 | gnarface | why? |
| 07:19.04 | gnarface | if it was already working right? |
| 07:19.22 | gnarface | maybe the answer to my prior question is relevant |
| 07:19.33 | gnarface | was that on-disk install using the kmuto installer as well? |
| 07:19.44 | gnarface | it was not? it was basically just stock debian squeeze 6.0.5? |
| 07:19.48 | zW | yes |
| 07:19.52 | gnarface | ok |
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| 07:20.20 | gnarface | at this point i feel like a doctor whose patient just came in and said "doctor doctor, you've got to help me! it hurts when i bang my head against the wall like this!" |
| 07:20.46 | gnarface | help me understand why you changed two variables at once (the kernel and the boot medium) |
| 07:20.48 | zW | but now when I boot from pxe and select that install, it boots up, but still tries to find the cdrom while I want it to install from the internet |
| 07:21.14 | zW | gnarface: I just downloaded the iso. |
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| 07:21.51 | gnarface | zW: ok first no-no: you copied a kmuto kernel in manually. i was under the impression you need to use the kmuto kernel during the install for it to work |
| 07:22.11 | gnarface | zW: second no-no: you switched to the kmuto kernel despite apparently no need for it, then everything broke. |
| 07:22.29 | gnarface | zW: third no-no: you didn't try it with the stock kernel to see if that fixes it |
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| 07:22.50 | zW | gnarface: I used a Debian GNU/Linux Stable installer ISO images with modifications by Kenshi Muto because my raid controller was not yet supported |
| 07:23.20 | zW | a normal squeeze stock kernel had not yet support for my hardware |
| 07:23.29 | zW | so it could not find the raid controller / disks. |
| 07:24.12 | gnarface | zW: well, all that aside, the fact your PXE boot up is looking for a cdrom suggests to me you're using PXE boot wrong, though i don't know myself how to use it *right* ... doesn't it work better if it loads a pre-installed image rather than the debian installer? cause thats what seems like your complication here; you're confusing preseeding with network boot as though they're directly related which i suspect they're not necessari |
| 07:24.12 | gnarface | ly |
| 07:25.17 | gnarface | zW: unfortunately i'm not qualified to really help you debug this problem. all i can point out is the parts of your statements which are logically in conflict with each other |
| 07:25.31 | gnarface | zW: maybe that'll be of some help |
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| 07:27.25 | no_gravity | Hello! Anybody good with bash? In a script, if a command goes wrong I would like to say "the last command failed. continue anyway?". Any ideas how to accomplish that? |
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| 07:29.54 | ChrisH | no_gravity: two options... bash -e at top will terminate the whole script. I use a run function for critcal stuff. or option 3 after the command check the return code. |
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| 07:33.04 | gnarface | no_gravity: i'd just check the return value of the previous command with $? and if its not 0 then prompt them |
| 07:33.12 | gnarface | no_gravity: (or just exit on error) |
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| 07:34.13 | gnarface | no_gravity: fyi there is a bash channel on freenode at #bash |
| 07:35.17 | no_gravity | yeah, i just asked at bash |
| 07:35.21 | no_gravity | the suppose this: |
| 07:35.32 | no_gravity | ask() { local ans; read -n1 -p "$1" ans; [[ $ans = [yY] ]] || exit; } |
| 07:35.40 | no_gravity | my_command || ask "Command failed. Continue? " |
| 07:35.48 | no_gravity | trying to grok it right now |
| 07:36.00 | gnarface | uh |
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| 07:36.25 | gnarface | hmm |
| 07:36.32 | gnarface | dont confuse return values with standard output |
| 07:36.39 | ChrisH | does not like ; in bash scripts... |
| 07:37.03 | gnarface | all unix processes return a value to the parent process on exit, this is different from stdin/stdout/sterr which happen at the pipes during runtime |
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| 07:37.09 | no_gravity | ChrisH: can you give your solution with the return code in bash code? |
| 07:38.01 | gnarface | the return value is expected to be a signed 8-bit int, (-255 to 255) and the convention for the past 30 years or so now has been that you exit with "0" if there were zero problems. that doesn't mean a non-zero value is the amount of problems or anything; non-zero codes are program specific |
| 07:38.24 | ChrisH | no_gravity: http://pastebin.com/3RLr4ekS |
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| 07:39.46 | ChrisH | no_gravity: This special run version does only count the errors, its taken from my amanda backup script. YOu can see the exit option wth # |
| 07:39.58 | no_gravity | ChrisH: so you suggest to define a function "run" and prefix every command with "run"? |
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| 07:41.23 | nkuttler | hrm, is the x clipboard limited in length? xclip cuts off my data.. |
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| 07:42.13 | ChrisH | no_gravity: every command that is critical and can cause problems if it fails and continuing will cause trouble.... like cd $SOMEUSERSDIR ; rm -rf . can be dangerous if cd fails.... OK, this one can be done simply using cd $SOMEUSERSDIR && rm -rf . but it should simply show the idea. |
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| 07:43.14 | nkuttler | seems like chromium is the culprit.. |
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| 07:44.28 | gnarface | nkuttler: all clipboards are limited in length if they're secure. the question is whether you have to edit the source code to change yours or not. |
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| 07:44.52 | no_gravity | ChrisH: what benefit do you see over the "command || ask" solution? |
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| 07:47.40 | ChrisH | no_gravity: I use this mainly for cronjobs and other automated stuff. The ask version fits perfect for interactive scripts with differnt version to continue. I use a simlar approach in upgrade scripts for one of our applications. |
| 07:48.02 | nkuttler | gnarface: oh well it was just like 70k, and only chromium seems to have the problem |
| 07:48.51 | gnarface | nkuttler: now you know their target audience isn't you |
| 07:49.09 | nkuttler | yeah.. |
| 07:49.23 | gnarface | nkuttler: emacs has significantly higher limits |
| 07:49.39 | gnarface | gigabytes... |
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| 07:52.50 | gnarface | zW: by the way, if you're preseeding a debian-installer load up over pxe every time... then just check the preseeding documentation again; from what i recall it should be trivial to route around your problem with a complete preseeding file |
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| 07:58.17 | zW | gnarface: thanks |
| 07:59.25 | tim_ | how do I delete this file |
| 07:59.28 | tim_ | -????????? ? ? ? ? ? resolv.conf |
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| 07:59.58 | gnarface | tim_: with tab-completion |
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| 08:00.29 | Sm0ke0ut | rm ./-<tab> |
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| 08:00.58 | gnarface | tim_: you can type all the \es manually too but that's pointlessly time consuming and annoying |
| 08:01.02 | tim_ | -????????? is the permission of the file. The file itself is resolv.conf |
| 08:01.10 | gnarface | oh |
| 08:01.12 | gnarface | uh |
| 08:01.20 | tim_ | but when I delete it i get no such file |
| 08:01.22 | gnarface | filesystem error |
| 08:01.25 | tim_ | yes |
| 08:01.26 | gnarface | umount and fsck |
| 08:01.33 | gnarface | pray you had backups |
| 08:02.01 | gnarface | because this usually means 1) some data loss even if you're using journaling (sucks to be you if you're not) and 2) impending hardware failure |
| 08:02.18 | gnarface | or at the very least bugs in your filesystem module |
| 08:02.29 | tim_ | It is only this file and the /tmp folder. Which I was able to remove |
| 08:02.38 | gnarface | tim_: when is the last time you updated this system and what debian version? |
| 08:03.06 | gnarface | tim_: additionally, what filesystem are you using and what age is the make of the hardware (not the purchase) |
| 08:03.10 | gnarface | ? |
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| 08:03.28 | tim_ | gnarface: its ubuntu hardy, with ext3. Standard boot options. |
| 08:03.36 | ChrisH | tim_: filesystem errors tend to be "infective". run fsck ASAP to reduce the risk! |
| 08:03.42 | gnarface | tim_: pfffffffbtthth!!!! |
| 08:04.23 | gnarface | tim_: yea fyi once you see that you're seeing your filesystem unraveling like a sweater in a weezer song |
| 08:04.24 | Sm0ke0ut | this is the debian channel, not ubuntu :P |
| 08:05.35 | gnarface | tim_: also fyi i've personally never seen this on debian except when using suspicious flash roms formatted fat12/16/32 |
| 08:06.02 | tim_ | gnarface: I suspect a journal errror |
| 08:06.05 | gnarface | ext3 *should* be safe unless your harddrive is dying |
| 08:06.15 | gnarface | journal error could be a symptom of that |
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| 08:06.37 | gnarface | but just having a a buggy version because ubuntu has bad Q.A. is as likely in your case |
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| 08:07.32 | gnarface | you can't run a linux distro like a windows distro and expect better results |
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| 08:07.37 | oggei | hi |
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| 08:10.20 | gnarface | oggei: hi |
| 08:13.38 | mastro | I upgraded my system after vacation, it no longer ask me for SSH key password using the gnome-keyring graphical interface... it ask every time the password on command line, is someone experiencing the same issue / know how to solve / where to look for? |
| 08:14.09 | thomas | /211/ |
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| 08:26.31 | mrtnt_ | If I want to send out email with: "echo "This will go into the body of the mail." | mail -s "Hello world" you@youremailid.com" --do i need to set up a mail account in my machine? |
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| 08:29.49 | tim_ | mrtnt_: You need to etup a mailserver. postfix or exim |
| 08:30.09 | oggei | or nullmailer, ssmtp |
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| 08:31.31 | mrtnt_ | tim_, oggei: ok, so the mail server is needed? |
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| 08:32.10 | mrtnt_ | tim_, oggei: I thought that this is not needed for just sending out emails using the mail client |
| 08:32.27 | Sevet | you need a mailserver to do the sending, but don't need a mail account created (it'll be sent as something like username@your.host.name unless you set your own from headers) |
| 08:32.45 | Sevet | mail puts it into the queue, your local mailserver does the sending in the background |
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| 08:32.57 | tim_ | mrtnt_: nullmailer is probably the simplest option. |
| 08:33.27 | Sevet | !tell mrtnt_ about mta |
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| 08:38.05 | ChrisH | exim4: I thought I could use /parse user@domain.com inside exim4 -bt ... but it fails |
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| 08:41.04 | zetheroo | when I do ' update-initramfs -u' I get this output: mdadm: cannot open /dev/md/0: No such file or directory |
| 08:41.09 | zetheroo | where is this coming from? |
| 08:41.23 | zetheroo | where is the '/dev/md/0' ? |
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| 08:41.46 | avernos | m-a auto-install failed, and it doesnt output why, does anyone know where can i find its log file? |
| 08:41.47 | zetheroo | sorry, I should ask, what file is pointing to '/dev/md/0' ? |
| 08:42.47 | Sevet | /dev/md/0 would be the software raid device |
| 08:43.28 | Sevet | (mdadm being the program for managing linux software raid) |
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| 08:46.09 | zetheroo | but when I perform this command: update-initramfs -u .... what configs are being checked? I cannot find any mention of '/dev/md/0' in grub.cfg or fstab |
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| 08:49.26 | zetheroo | ok I think I found it ... in mdadm.conf |
| 08:49.34 | Sevet | mount perhaps |
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| 08:50.35 | zetheroo | what is the filesystem name for the BIOS boot filesystem? |
| 08:50.58 | zetheroo | I need to do this 'mkfs.ext4' but for the BIOS boot fs |
| 08:51.42 | Sevet | do you mean /boot? |
| 08:52.03 | zetheroo | no |
| 08:52.10 | zetheroo | bios boot partition |
| 08:52.12 | Sevet | the MBR? |
| 08:52.16 | zetheroo | GPT |
| 08:52.38 | Sevet | GPT is the partition table, not a partition |
| 08:52.50 | Sevet | grub gets installed to the MBR, it's not a filesystem |
| 08:53.18 | Sevet | it loads files off your /boot or / filesystem |
| 08:53.20 | ChrisH | Sevet: Please do not open the pandora's box again :) zetheroo is happy it installs and boot! |
| 08:53.36 | Sevet | hehe |
| 08:54.40 | gnarface | zetheroo: if you are using grub2 it is probably /etc/default/grub that you want, before that it would be like /boot/grub/menu.lst or something like that |
| 08:54.48 | gnarface | menu.1st? |
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| 08:55.00 | gnarface | whatever |
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| 08:57.17 | zetheroo | Sevet: I have three partitions on SDA which were automatically created by Debian install - sda1 bios boot, sda2 / ext4, and sda3 swap |
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| 08:57.44 | gnarface | zetheroo: what is it you want to do exactly? it sounds insane to want to format your mbr as an empty ext4 filesystem... |
| 08:57.49 | zetheroo | and this is what I am following http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-software-raid1-on-a-running-system-incl-grub2-configuration-debian-squeeze-p2 |
| 08:58.59 | Sevet | are you sure sda1 isn't /boot? |
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| 08:59.34 | zetheroo | there is a section where you "create filesystems on our RAID arrays" with the command mkfs.ext4 /dev/md0, which in my case is mkfs.ext4 /dev/md1 since /dev/md0 is this bios boot partition |
| 08:59.34 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 08:59.44 | gnarface | oy |
| 08:59.47 | zetheroo | Sevet: very sure |
| 08:59.58 | gnarface | zetheroo: this seems insane. |
| 09:00.12 | Sevet | 'mount | grep sda1' shows...? |
| 09:00.18 | gnarface | Sevet: can't squeeze do this all via ncurses gui menus in expert mode? |
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| 09:00.29 | gnarface | there should be no need to run commands and shit |
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| 09:01.18 | ChrisH | gnarface: This is 2TB disks and GPT and zetheroo is trying since days to get debian installed on this box. |
| 09:01.27 | zetheroo | Sevet: nothing ... it seems something is different after reboot |
| 09:01.28 | Sevet | depends what he's doing, certainly d-i should be able to do all the raid configuration |
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| 09:02.01 | gnarface | zetheroo: have you tried "expert" mode on the installer then set up raid in the partitioner? |
| 09:02.02 | zetheroo | ChrisH: I have Debian installed - that was never the issue ... the issue was getting RAID1 configured with GRUB |
| 09:02.16 | zetheroo | gnarface: at least 20 times ;) |
| 09:02.34 | Sevet | doesn't sound like sda1 is used then... |
| 09:02.37 | ChrisH | zetheroo: thats what I count into installing Debian using the installer. |
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| 09:03.00 | zetheroo | whats going on now? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164074/ |
| 09:03.11 | Sevet | hmmm, unless you've put grub into the 1st sector of the sda1 partition not the mbr |
| 09:03.16 | gnarface | UBUNTU!? |
| 09:03.18 | gnarface | bah |
| 09:03.40 | gnarface | zetheroo: have you tried *debian* ? |
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| 09:03.52 | zetheroo | Sevet: look's like I am now using /dev/md1 |
| 09:04.07 | zetheroo | gnarface: the server is running Debian ...wdym? |
| 09:04.27 | gnarface | zetheroo: you just used an ubuntu pastebin |
| 09:04.35 | gnarface | zetheroo: caught you red handed |
| 09:04.41 | Sevet | paste.debian.net |
| 09:04.44 | zetheroo | gnarface: yah ... and? :P |
| 09:04.56 | gnarface | zetheroo: :-| |
| 09:05.01 | zetheroo | what does it matter? ... |
| 09:05.13 | zetheroo | I use Ubuntu on the workstation ... ;) |
| 09:05.26 | zetheroo | nevermind ... back to issue .. |
| 09:05.27 | Sm0ke0ut | please don |
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| 09:08.14 | zetheroo | does that output show that RAID1 is working? |
| 09:09.22 | Sevet | / on /dev/md/1 shows some sort of raid is working, but tells us nothing about the state/health of the raid array, mdadm is for that |
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| 09:10.22 | Sevet | (mdadm also has daemons to warn you by email of any problems) |
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| 09:11.14 | Sevet | (see /etc/init.d/mdadm /etc/default/mdadm) |
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| 09:11.52 | zetheroo | output of mdstat http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164089/ |
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| 09:12.32 | Sevet | btw you never want to use sdaX directly now, they're the components of the raid array. you only want to access them via /dev/md/X |
| 09:12.41 | Sevet | otherwise the drives'll get out of sync |
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| 09:13.39 | zetheroo | ok but atm only the drives on sdb are set to RAID |
| 09:13.40 | Sevet | mdadm -Q /dev/md/1 |
| 09:13.47 | rizzle | so can debian be made to load to ram disk, or should i be looking to use something like a unionfs or aufs file system? |
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| 09:14.00 | zetheroo | /dev/md/1: 1855.47GiB raid1 2 devices, 0 spares. |
| 09:14.19 | Sevet | mdadm --detail /dev/md/1 would be better |
| 09:14.33 | Sevet | rizzle: tmpfs |
| 09:14.48 | zetheroo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164090/ |
| 09:15.50 | rizzle | Sevet, are you sure that would work? so raise the whole system into tmpfs? |
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| 09:16.32 | rizzle | i thought unionfs was more made to have a ram system, and a hard copy at the same time |
| 09:16.49 | rizzle | Sevet, if i could accomplish it with tmpfs though i would prefer that |
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| 09:17.56 | Sevet | do you mean /? |
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| 09:19.36 | Sevet | misunderstood what you wanted |
| 09:19.49 | Sevet | maybe debootstrap into a unionfs, but not sure |
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| 09:21.44 | wald0 | the debian-installer mode of work only in traditional mode (installing packages) or also available in the common "live system mode" ? (which is like a copy of the chroot system to the hd) |
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| 09:23.57 | gnarface | wald0: you can also install debian from a booted live image. is that what you are asking? |
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| 09:25.05 | wald0 | gnarface: yes, i think so... more exactly, if this install mode is based on creating a chroot and installing packages from the live mode, or just dumping the live system to the hd |
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| 09:26.26 | gnarface | wald0: that i really don't know, but i *thought* that the live cd just reboots into the normal debian installer so it works identically |
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| 09:26.56 | gnarface | wald0: if not, then i imagine it would just call debootstrap in a chroot as you imagine |
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| 09:28.25 | wald0 | mmh, gnarface do you know if the official "live" images of debian includes all the packages too ? (doubling the size of the iso) or only the compressed (live) filesystem ? |
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| 09:30.10 | gnarface | wald0: "all the packages" would span several DVD-ROMs. I believe it gets most of them from the internet, but you can probably you know... choose less. |
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| 09:35.55 | enlightified | hi all. |
| 09:36.53 | enlightified | firstly squeeze backports linux kernel let me down yesterday. It has problems with my amd hd 7750 I think. |
| 09:37.14 | enlightified | secondly I am compiling alsa from source and it says ... |
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| 09:37.32 | enlightified | Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' |
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| 09:37.58 | enlightified | the guys at #Linux suggested that I install linux-source. |
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| 09:38.34 | saban | hi. we dont have ipv6 on our network.. and apt-get is trying to update true ipv6 connection.. is there any way to force it to use ipv4? |
| 09:38.36 | enlightified | since my "Kernel configuration is invalid." |
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| 09:38.55 | gnarface | enlightified: did you try the non-free drivers first? |
| 09:39.05 | enlightified | for fglrx? |
| 09:39.11 | gnarface | whatever |
| 09:39.17 | wald0 | gnarface: sorry, i mean "all the packages" included in the live system (only all the ones that are installed in the live), from my memory in old versions of live-debian its included in the ISO also a repository of packages too |
| 09:39.35 | thewanderer1 | I want to abandon Evolution and move to a client that doesn't take 1 minute per message to process 1 simple filter (list=lxc@sourceforge.net => move to LXC/ dir). suggestions? |
| 09:39.54 | gnarface | wald0: i'm sorry i can't say for sure. sounds like a smart way to do it though. |
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| 09:40.05 | enlightified | yes I am using 12.6 from sid. |
| 09:40.07 | gnarface | wald0: what do you have to lose if you try it? |
| 09:40.21 | gnarface | wald0: if it gives you an option, make sure to use expert mode |
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| 09:41.06 | enlightified | but right now I just want to know if the only way to "make my kernel configuration valid" is to install "linux-souce" and run "make oldconfig && make prepare" there. |
| 09:41.14 | gnarface | thewanderer1: mail client? icedove works for me... |
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| 09:41.42 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, can it do filtering of incoming mail? |
| 09:41.50 | thewanderer1 | (i.e. sorting into dirs based on rules) |
| 09:41.53 | wald0 | gnarface: yeah, i should download it and see... where to get the live versions of debian ? |
| 09:42.01 | gnarface | thewanderer1: yes |
| 09:42.04 | _strog | hi again, i have a wlan usb-stick that i wanna install. it has a ralink chip (Bus 001 Device 003: ID 148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter) on it. This stick can do bgn modes. I first tried to install the firmware from ralink, i got only the n mode. then i googled a bit and got the sourcecode fo the wlan-stick. and i get this message from dmesg http://pastebin.com/jX1XQeFK |
| 09:42.16 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, great. I'm making the switch right away! thanks. |
| 09:42.23 | _strog | now i don't know what next to do, and need some help |
| 09:42.41 | saban | anyone? |
| 09:42.50 | saban | hi. we dont have ipv6 on our network.. and apt-get is trying to update true ipv6 connection.. is there any way to force it to use ipv4? |
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| 09:43.15 | gnarface | wald0: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 09:43.27 | wald0 | thx |
| 09:43.43 | thewanderer1 | saban, echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 |
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| 09:44.26 | saban | thewanderer1: for this i nead to restart networking? |
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| 09:45.08 | saban | thewanderer1: nevermind it arlady works. thank you very much |
| 09:45.56 | thewanderer1 | saban, see /etc/sysctl.conf to make the change permanent |
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| 09:52.21 | aheu | Hi, I'm wondering when wheezy will become stable. Can anyone point me to the right place to find out? |
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| 09:56.25 | pozic | If I have a directory with 8000 directories, it takes 30 seconds to show it in Dolphin. Can't that be sped up in some way? |
| 09:56.31 | aheu | haha ok |
| 09:56.43 | gnarface | dpkg, tell aheu about wwwr |
| 09:57.01 | pozic | I am almost afraid to open a 'save' dialog because of the extreme latency. |
| 09:57.09 | ChrisH | pozic: reduce the number of directories |
| 09:57.31 | gnarface | Dolphin? |
| 09:57.31 | aheu | appreciated |
| 09:57.41 | gnarface | like, the gamecube emulator? |
| 09:58.09 | pozic | ChrisH: I'd prefer a solution where I just have everything cached. |
| 09:58.16 | gnarface | aheu: just like ID software, Debian's releases are always just "when its done" |
| 09:58.22 | berarma | aheu: the chart here can help, I don't know the details though: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 09:58.28 | pozic | ChrisH: that is, every directory with more than 1000 files should be cached. |
| 09:58.32 | berarma | aheu: supposedly RC bugs should be zero |
| 09:58.41 | thewanderer1 | pozic, code it yourself, or use a different file manager :P |
| 09:58.42 | saban | does anybody knows when will come bug fix for networking? that it doesnt start like it should? |
| 09:58.52 | pozic | thewanderer1: are you saying there is any such file manager? |
| 09:59.06 | pozic | thewanderer1: AFAIK, Dolphin is already the best. |
| 09:59.21 | ikonia | pozic: it would still need to parse them/walk the structure to get a list to cache |
| 09:59.25 | thewanderer1 | pozic, the lag you're seeing is from the GUI itself... reading inodes from the directory is already pretty fast |
| 09:59.27 | gnarface | never even heard of Dolphin |
| 09:59.31 | ikonia | pozic: it would also need to check them on re-open to see if anything has changed |
| 09:59.38 | ikonia | gnarface: I thought it was actually dead |
| 09:59.50 | berarma | pozic: have you tried with another FM? |
| 09:59.50 | ChrisH | pozic: even a ls inside will take a longer time... try time ls |
| 10:00.05 | pozic | ikonia: I'd prefer if it didn't do that unless I had an explicit F5 for large directories or that it would do that async. |
| 10:00.05 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH, ls yes, ls without sorting... nope :) |
| 10:00.08 | gnarface | pozic: incidentally, what *filesystem* are we talking about here? |
| 10:00.13 | pozic | gnarface: EXT4 |
| 10:00.27 | gnarface | pozic: and what motherboard, out of curiosity? |
| 10:00.35 | ikonia | pozic: you'll probably have to patch it if you want to change the behaviour |
| 10:00.51 | thewanderer1 | yeah well... I don't know of any FM that would cache directories |
| 10:01.15 | thewanderer1 | perhaps your problem is having thousands of files in one dir in the first place and expecting any GUI to display this many elements efficiently |
| 10:01.22 | gnarface | thewanderer1: windows explorer does |
| 10:01.33 | ikonia | Debian don't make dolphin though |
| 10:01.45 | gnarface | pozic: did you try midnight commander? |
| 10:01.48 | ikonia | so it maybe better to have this conversation with the dolphin maintainers |
| 10:02.01 | ikonia | unless this is fixed in a later version of dolphin that debian is not yet using |
| 10:02.11 | pozic | Dolphin takes 2-3 seconds cached, ls takes 0.087 seconds cached. |
| 10:02.25 | ikonia | pozic: talking to the dolphin developers/maintainers seems like a better move than the debain distro channel |
| 10:02.28 | gnarface | pozic: or nautilus, or ... whatever is built into e17? |
| 10:02.30 | pozic | I think Dolphin is just really slow. |
| 10:02.40 | ikonia | pozic: talk to the dolphin devs then |
| 10:02.42 | pozic | Correction: everything is really slow except core tools. |
| 10:02.47 | ikonia | comaplining to #debian won't change that |
| 10:02.56 | gnarface | pozic: still waiting to hear what type of bus speed we're talking about here that you're complaining about... |
| 10:02.56 | thewanderer1 | gnarface, explorer? huh. I thought it only caches images in Thumbs.db? |
| 10:03.17 | pozic | gnarface: can you stop trolling? |
| 10:03.33 | ikonia | pozic: have you talked to the dolphin developers ? |
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| 10:03.40 | gnarface | pozic: no |
| 10:03.44 | ikonia | (logged a bug, had a conversation, etc etc) |
| 10:03.50 | pozic | ikonia: no |
| 10:04.01 | ikonia | pozic: may I suggest that as a first port of cal |
| 10:04.04 | ikonia | call |
| 10:04.09 | ikonia | #debian can't really do much to aid your complaint |
| 10:04.10 | pozic | ikonia: a replacement for Dolphin would also be welcome if there is such a thing. |
| 10:04.16 | ikonia | there are many file managers |
| 10:04.23 | pozic | ikonia: not many which are good. |
| 10:04.35 | ikonia | then complain to the teams that make them, eg: nautilus, log a bug with gnome) |
| 10:04.44 | ikonia | talking to a distro channel won't fix your perception of them. |
| 10:04.53 | pozic | ikonia: 'good' would be defined as can show a file save dialog with 5000 items in 1 second. |
| 10:05.00 | ikonia | logging a bug with content may |
| 10:05.03 | ikonia | pozic: ok, well talk to the projects that control the file managers |
| 10:05.13 | ikonia | I'm sure they would welcome input/quality bugs etc |
| 10:05.21 | pozic | ikonia: what's wrong with anyone just suggesting a file manager? |
| 10:05.30 | ikonia | well, you said they are all poor |
| 10:05.33 | gnarface | pozic: i just suggested several |
| 10:05.41 | ikonia | which is fair enough, you can have your view point. |
| 10:05.41 | pozic | ikonia: no, I said I was not aware of any. |
| 10:05.53 | pozic | ikonia: (with the required properties) |
| 10:06.04 | ikonia | I'm not aware of one that will displayu 5000 in 1 second |
| 10:06.17 | ikonia | so I think your requirements maybe a little out of scope with what's available. |
| 10:06.35 | pozic | It doesn't actually have to display 5,000, it just has to compute first which one will be visible and only render those. |
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| 10:06.59 | pozic | In the end only about 2000 pixels need to be colored. |
| 10:07.15 | ikonia | well nautilus displays my current directorys straight away |
| 10:07.23 | ikonia | a second or less |
| 10:07.31 | ikonia | I have 15 items in my home dir |
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| 10:08.01 | ikonia | it did /lib in about a second with many items in |
| 10:08.08 | pozic | ikonia: where do you leave all your dot files then? |
| 10:08.13 | ikonia | 2008 items |
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| 10:08.33 | ikonia | so I've just opened nautilus, in under a second, moved to /lib with 2008 items and it did that in approx a second |
| 10:08.39 | ikonia | certainly not more than a second enough for me to count to 2 |
| 10:09.04 | ikonia | pozic: I don't have nautilus set to display hidden files. |
| 10:09.12 | ikonia | I can run that test if you want |
| 10:09.48 | mastro | Hi, I've just noticed I have many log about CPU temperature in dmesg / syslog http://pastebin.com/dhGh0Ngv - my kernel: 3.2.0-3-amd64 (debian) - googling I found some bug about that in the pass... my laptop is working without any issue, no crash, I didn't notice anything until I looked at the system logs -- can you help me understand if this is a kernel bug or hardware issue? |
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| 10:09.53 | pozic | ikonia: starting nautilus takes 10 seconds here, because it first wants to access some slow external disk. |
| 10:09.58 | pozic | ikonia: how can I get rid of that? |
| 10:10.06 | ikonia | pozic: ok, so again, that's just a limit of your hardware |
| 10:10.12 | pozic | ikonia: no, it is not. |
| 10:10.17 | pozic | ikonia: because my home dir is not there. |
| 10:10.21 | ikonia | what ? you've just said it accesses slow disk |
| 10:10.27 | ikonia | what file system is on the slow disk ? |
| 10:10.38 | pozic | ikonia: a completely unrelated one. |
| 10:10.41 | mastro | Hi, I've just noticed I have many log about CPU temperature in dmesg / syslog http://pastebin.com/dhGh0Ngv - my kernel: 3.2.0-3-amd64 (debian) - googling I found some bug about that in the pass... my laptop is working without any issue, no crash, I didn't notice anything until I looked at the system logs -- can you help me understand if this is a kernel bug or hardware issue? |
| 10:10.47 | ikonia | pozic: then why do you think it's accessing it ? |
| 10:10.55 | pozic | ikonia: because I hear it spinning up. |
| 10:11.06 | pozic | ikonia: and no, that's not a coincidence. |
| 10:11.18 | pozic | ikonia: it's just really, really stupid nautilus behaviour. |
| 10:11.26 | ikonia | pozic: ok, so log a bug then |
| 10:11.36 | ikonia | pozic: I'm not aware of it accessing other directories, but that doesn't mean it doesn't. |
| 10:11.40 | ikonia | log a bug |
| 10:11.40 | pozic | ikonia: I will the moment the bug counter hits zero. |
| 10:11.57 | pozic | ikonia: are there zero open bugs for Nautilus? |
| 10:12.01 | ikonia | well, that's not going to happen, so you'll have to live with that bug |
| 10:12.05 | ikonia | if you won't log a bug, then you won't get a fix |
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| 10:12.18 | pozic | ikonia: with such an attitude, how will we ever get working software? |
| 10:12.32 | abrotman | eh, what? |
| 10:12.32 | ikonia | pozic: how can you expect people to fix things if you won't log a bug |
| 10:12.35 | ikonia | please stop trolling |
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| 10:12.48 | ikonia | I'm trying to suggest realistic solutions. |
| 10:13.08 | ikonia | if you want something fixed, you'll need to log a bug |
| 10:13.22 | pozic | ikonia: realistically speaking, if you have a software project and cannot make sure there are zero bugs after every time you introduced a new feature, you are not doing software engineering, you are doing software guessing. |
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| 10:13.27 | ikonia | it's not really debians fault how nautilus behaves, to log a bug to the nautilus component on the gnome bug tracker |
| 10:13.34 | CQ | hello, what is teh best way to have one remote with git-annex but having two IP addrs... one eth0 one wlan0 |
| 10:13.37 | pozic | ikonia: sure, it's not Debian's fault. |
| 10:13.45 | abrotman | ikonia: he's a repeat, save your breath |
| 10:13.46 | ikonia | pozic: ok, so take it to the gnome guys. |
| 10:13.53 | pozic | ikonia: Debian could however opt to not ship bad software. |
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| 10:14.10 | ikonia | abrotman: I'm half aware of it, he does this in other channels, but it seemed a genuine request so I tried to give the benifit of the doubt |
| 10:14.18 | pozic | ikonia: i.e., make a statement; your bytes are not worthy of being used by users. |
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| 10:14.37 | pozic | ikonia: uhm, duh, it is a genuine request. |
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| 10:14.59 | pozic | ikonia: it's just one which doesn't appear to have a good answer. |
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| 10:15.01 | abrotman | then file a bug |
| 10:15.30 | pozic | ikonia: i.e., you tried your best to answer it, but it's not a solution, so the solution would be to like you said 'live with it'. |
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| 10:16.00 | pozic | The logic of 'file a bug' doesn't make sense when there are still other bugs. |
| 10:16.10 | ectospasm | pozic: that logic makes NO sense |
| 10:16.29 | pozic | Sure it does, unless every module is maintained by someone else. |
| 10:16.36 | ectospasm | ...it's as if a software team can't juggle more than one bug at a time. |
| 10:16.42 | abrotman | pozic: as always, you're right .. please go forth and live with your bugs |
| 10:17.01 | ikonia | ectospasm: abrotman is right, he's a known troll, honestly, just let him go |
| 10:17.09 | pozic | But in most good software projects, anyone can fix anything. |
| 10:17.19 | pozic | Otherwise you have the 'getting hit by a bus' problem. |
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| 10:17.38 | pozic | ectospasm: and in fact, most open-source projects don't seem to be getting fixed. |
| 10:17.48 | ectospasm | ... |
| 10:17.54 | pozic | ectospasm: so, expecting one bug to be fixed per e.g. month is already expecting too much. |
| 10:18.16 | pozic | ectospasm: so your perceived lack of reported bugs does not match reality with over 300K bugs in KDE alone. |
| 10:18.20 | abrotman | pozic: are you done? do you have something debian specific to discuss? |
| 10:18.26 | pozic | abrotman: yes, I am done. |
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| 10:19.29 | pozic | In fact, if everyone would report as many bugs as I would, there would now be 40 million (amount of Linux users) * 40 = 1.6billion bugs reported. |
| 10:19.40 | pozic | That was really the last part. |
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| 10:26.40 | matlads | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi |
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| 10:32.08 | skeq | hello everyone, i got a little question |
| 10:32.35 | Iridos | dpkg, tracker of doom |
| 10:32.35 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 10:32.37 | skeq | i was installing debian from cd and not dvd, and it failed to autosetup the network. |
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| 10:33.28 | skeq | whats the best, high level way to setup wifi dhcp |
| 10:33.41 | skeq | ? |
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| 10:34.56 | ChrisH | skeq: wifi during installation? |
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| 10:36.00 | skeq | ChrisH: no i passed installation without wifi. now its installed but no wifi |
| 10:36.16 | ikonia | skeq: can you not use network manager ? |
| 10:36.18 | ikonia | on the desktop |
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| 10:36.40 | ChrisH | skeq: If all firmware is installed and the device is visible (ifconfig -a) try Network Manager |
| 10:37.19 | skeq | ChrisH: yeah but i dont think the install cd comes with network manager, only the dvd? |
| 10:37.57 | ChrisH | skeq: apt-get or aptitude is your friend |
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| 10:38.46 | skeq | ChrisH: ok. so theres no net on that comp, im gonna download from packages.debian.org and move them over via usb flash |
| 10:39.27 | skeq | ChrisH: hope theres not too much dependencies :). thanks for the tips ! |
| 10:39.30 | ChrisH | skeq: uah... the hard way... Do you see the NIC? |
| 10:41.08 | ikonia | skeq: you've got a desktop yes ? |
| 10:41.12 | skeq | ChrisH: yeah i see it. |
| 10:41.15 | ikonia | as in a grapical desktop ? |
| 10:41.19 | skeq | ikonia: yeah |
| 10:41.22 | ikonia | skeq: is it gnome ? |
| 10:41.29 | skeq | ikonia: yes |
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| 10:41.43 | ikonia | skeq: so top right there should be a gnome-network-manager applet |
| 10:41.48 | ikonia | you can configure it from there |
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| 10:42.07 | ChrisH | skeq: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse point 3 might help you here |
| 10:42.27 | skeq | ikonia: well its a pretty minimal install. theres no gui for that |
| 10:42.36 | ikonia | skeq: it's part of the default install |
| 10:42.41 | ikonia | or at least it should be |
| 10:43.01 | ikonia | I'm someone else could confirm that |
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| 10:43.20 | skeq | ikonia: i cant seem to find it |
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| 10:43.31 | ikonia | are you using gnome2 or 3 ? |
| 10:43.39 | skeq | ChrisH: thanks im checking out the command line guide |
| 10:43.45 | skeq | ikonia: 2 |
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| 10:44.00 | ikonia | skeq: ok, so it should be there |
| 10:44.27 | skeq | ikonia: k, ill check it out. thx |
| 10:44.31 | ikonia | you could just type "gnome-network-manager" to run it |
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| 10:45.26 | skeq | ikonia: yeah i know.. but its not installed. im checking my debian cd package pool dir if its there so i could install with dpkg |
| 10:45.38 | ikonia | I'm very surprised it's not installed |
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| 10:50.40 | mesutcan_ | hello |
| 10:50.45 | mesutcan_ | i have a live debian |
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| 10:50.57 | mesutcan_ | i want to install graphical-installer |
| 10:51.06 | mesutcan_ | is there a deb package for that? |
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| 10:53.08 | psichas | Can you install your live cd and connect internet? |
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| 10:53.32 | psichas | mesutcan_, |
| 10:53.33 | mesutcan_ | es |
| 10:53.36 | mesutcan_ | yes* |
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| 10:53.54 | mesutcan_ | i can't find the deb package at repositories |
| 10:53.54 | psichas | so you need desktop? |
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| 10:54.12 | mesutcan_ | i want the debian graphical installer itself |
| 10:54.16 | mesutcan_ | to modify it |
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| 10:54.35 | mesutcan_ | but at first i want to install the installer |
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| 10:59.03 | merethan | Hi all |
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| 11:00.51 | merethan | I've just started my upgrade from squeeze to wheezy but run into some problems. Kernel & udev are done, but 'apt-get dist-upgrade' gives an Immediate-Configure error on gstreamer0.10. Is it safe to disable apt's Immediate-Configure option? |
| 11:01.14 | Shadow` | i've setup mysql, added an account that has no ip limit, and added 3306 to the LAN range accept list in iptables, still cant access mysql from the outside? |
| 11:01.49 | ChrisH | Shadow`: does Mysql listen on *:3306? test: netstat -an | grep 3306 |
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| 11:03.02 | Shadow` | yup |
| 11:03.12 | Shadow` | bind adress, can i add multiple there? |
| 11:04.12 | ChrisH | Shadow`: can you show me the line using the netstat command? /me afk for lunch |
| 11:04.29 | Shadow` | its listening on localhost only |
| 11:04.40 | Shadow` | but i want it to keep doing so, but also listen on its lan ip |
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| 11:05.36 | ChrisH | Shadow`: we had this dicussion on our LUG Mailing list some weeks ago: localhost or INADDR_ANY nothing elso possible! |
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| 11:06.41 | Shadow` | ye but if i put LAN, it wont respond to localhost:3306 anymore right? |
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| 11:13.29 | mesutcan_ | is there an easy way to install udeb packages with apt? |
| 11:14.15 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`, use 0.0.0.0 |
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| 11:17.50 | sts | Guys, my debian package build fails with "fatal error: Python.h: No such file or directory" How should I add the python headers as build dependency? |
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| 11:19.42 | merethan | I've started an upgrade from squeeze to wheezy but ran into some problems. Kernel & udev are done, but 'apt-get dist-upgrade' gives an Immediate-Configure error on gstreamer0.10. I tried dist-upgrade with the Immediate-Configure option disabled and I've already searched the docs. No results. Manually installing the problematic package didn't get me anywhere too. |
| 11:20.14 | merethan | Anybody out there with better ideas? |
| 11:20.58 | [gnubie] | i am having a problem with tshark on what are the correct field names shall i use to get the following information from a pcap file in just a single command: "access-time, ip.src, source-port, ip.dst, destination-port, transport-layer-protocol, upload-bandwidth, download-bandwidth". my current tshark syntax: tshark -n -r file.pcap -T fields -E separator=',' -e ip.src -e ip.dst |
| 11:21.32 | thothstriangle | hi |
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| 11:22.04 | thothstriangle | hi |
| 11:22.17 | [gnubie] | as you can see, of all the fields i mentioned, only the source ip and the destination ip are the fields that i know for now. anybody knows what are the field names to use for the above listed fields? |
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| 11:29.12 | Sevet | gnubie: http://www.wireshark.org/docs/dfref/ |
| 11:29.25 | Sevet | gnubie: destination port'll depend on the protocol, eg udp.dstport or tcp.dstport |
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| 11:33.09 | ChrisH | Shadow`: yes... LAN-IP will NOT listen on 127.0.0.1 |
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| 11:37.08 | DeusEx | hello |
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| 11:38.34 | gry | DeusEx, Hello. |
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| 11:42.26 | tgs3 | how to check in what order did services like freeradius, bind9, apache, started? (after changing theirs order with update-rc.d) ? |
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| 11:51.02 | ChrisH | tgs3: I am not sure if I got your point... but cd /etc/rcX.d ; ls -l S* should answer your Q |
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| 11:51.30 | drigollier | hi all |
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| 11:52.30 | zippadaa | Has anyone found any solution for Gnome update-manager's error "Downloading list of changes failed"? I've found bug reports, but no solutions.. |
| 11:53.06 | zippadaa | (running squeeze with some backports) |
| 11:53.34 | _strog | i entered "iwlist wlan0 scan" into the terminal. Although I have a wlan in range, I dont get anything listed. can someone help |
| 11:53.41 | ectospasm | zippadaa: is it an issue with the GNOME update-manager, or with apt itself? I.e. can you run apt-get or aptitude to upgrade your system? |
| 11:54.05 | [gnubie] | Sevet: so for the source/destination port, is there a single expression where i can do an OR so that i will only have a single tshark command to execute to display both src/dst port? |
| 11:54.27 | zippadaa | ectospasm: yep.. I can. update-manager's debug log shows those 404 errors.. |
| 11:54.43 | ChrisH | _strog: as root? |
| 11:54.57 | zippadaa | ectospasm: I've been running squeeze for 4 months now, it never worked. |
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| 11:55.41 | ectospasm | I dunno, I don't use update-manager, so I can't be of any more help. |
| 11:55.57 | jelly | zippadaa: yeah, that old versions was buggy enough and shouldn't have really entered squeeze |
| 11:56.07 | jelly | IMHO |
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| 11:57.23 | zippadaa | jelly: seems, you're right.. do you happen to know, how to fetch those changelogs with apt-get/aptitude? |
| 11:57.48 | jelly | zippadaa: I suggest installing apt-listchanges |
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| 11:58.07 | jelly | zippadaa: you can also use "aptitude changelog packagename" for a specific package |
| 11:58.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell zippadaa about apt-listchanges |
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| 11:59.09 | zippadaa | jelly: ok, thanks.. that'll have to do. |
| 11:59.15 | jelly | apt-listchanges gets embedded in apt-get or aptitude when packages are upgraded |
| 11:59.50 | _strog | ChrisH: yea as root |
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| 12:05.37 | nevyn | it's slower? |
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| 12:10.20 | oo_miguel | Any suggestions where I can learn more about dimensioning servers (and scaling) |
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| 12:10.57 | jhutchins_wk | dimensioning is not a word. |
| 12:12.16 | oo_miguel | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dimensioning |
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| 12:13.43 | oo_miguel | Any suggestions where I can learn about calculating the requirements for servers ? |
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| 12:14.03 | oo_miguel | based on estimated access numbers and data volumes? |
| 12:14.12 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: Look at similar environments? |
| 12:14.36 | oo_miguel | In particular I am interested in : apache, mysql, postgresql, geoserver, |
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| 12:15.04 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: Those can run on a netbook. |
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| 12:15.35 | nkuttler | oo_miguel: the more the better. depends on your software, traffic, etc |
| 12:16.12 | jhutchins_wk | Traffic and audience. |
| 12:16.22 | oo_miguel | I am aware of this |
| 12:16.36 | jhutchins_wk | Are you hosting yourself or working with a provider? |
| 12:16.39 | oo_miguel | That is why I ask, how I can learn more about estimating this requirements based on factors |
| 12:16.50 | jhutchins_wk | Start with a minimal VM and scale up as load requires. |
| 12:16.55 | oo_miguel | I will make this decision after estimating this |
| 12:17.01 | oo_miguel | I have already a VM |
| 12:17.14 | nkuttler | well there are stress testing tools.. |
| 12:17.29 | oo_miguel | but I need for instance to Import the compete open street map data into a postgis database |
| 12:17.37 | jhutchins_wk | Hard to predict load on a public service? Are you the next Facebook or are you Microsoft Bob? |
| 12:17.38 | oo_miguel | now I did it for Berlin only |
| 12:17.45 | oo_miguel | this took about 1 hour in my Virutal machine |
| 12:17.58 | oo_miguel | and is not very performant when two users access it |
| 12:18.11 | oo_miguel | thats why I want to make some theoretical caluclations before I proceed |
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| 12:18.29 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: What's the chokepoing? CPU? I/O? Net? RAM? |
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| 12:18.37 | jhutchins_wk | chokepoint. |
| 12:18.51 | oo_miguel | jhutchins_wk: good question |
| 12:19.04 | oo_miguel | I did not analyze this yet |
| 12:19.07 | jhutchins_wk | sysstat |
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| 12:19.41 | jhutchins_wk | What resources do you have behind you? Can you afford enough ram to buffer the entire dataset? |
| 12:19.41 | oo_miguel | Is there some documented general approach to scaling or calculating the requirements? |
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| 12:20.23 | jhutchins_wk | You're looking at too many variables to allow a simple equation. I haven't found anything like that. |
| 12:20.27 | oo_miguel | jhutchins_wk: I think the dataset itself is not the problem, but the indexing eats most ram |
| 12:20.53 | oo_miguel | berlin dataset is compressed 20mb |
| 12:20.53 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: Is 64G of RAM an option? |
| 12:21.01 | oo_miguel | compete germany is 3 gb |
| 12:21.13 | oo_miguel | and the world is about 600gb i guess |
| 12:21.19 | oo_miguel | I would be fine with germany for a start |
| 12:21.21 | jhutchins_wk | So 16G could buffer Germany. |
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| 12:22.04 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: The only resources I know of that could help with that are hardware providers. ISP's and manufacturers like Dell. |
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| 12:24.24 | oo_miguel | ok thanks |
| 12:24.36 | oo_miguel | I will get a more powerful maschine and try it |
| 12:24.43 | oo_miguel | and look for bottlenecks |
| 12:24.59 | jhutchins_wk | tuning mysql is pretty important |
| 12:25.02 | oo_miguel | It can be only one of CPU/ RAM/ IO right? |
| 12:25.06 | thereisnospoon | oo_miguel, ssd is your answer |
| 12:25.15 | thereisnospoon | jhutchins, postgis is postgres not mysql |
| 12:25.36 | oo_miguel | its postgis on top of postgresql , not mysql in this case, but its the same with the tuning.. |
| 12:26.26 | jhutchins_wk | oo_miguel: http://mysqltuner.com/ |
| 12:26.36 | jhutchins_wk | I'm sure there's something similar for pg. |
| 12:27.04 | abrotman | you haven't even defined the rdbms as the bottleneck ... |
| 12:27.39 | oo_miguel | ah right abrotman |
| 12:28.05 | abrotman | there are basic OS tuning things to be done first |
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| 12:29.05 | jhutchins_wk | eagerly awaits the URL for the guide... |
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| 12:29.51 | abrotman | which guide? |
| 12:29.58 | abrotman | the one for mysql tuning which he isn't using? |
| 12:31.32 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: The one for the basic OS tuning you suggested. |
| 12:31.43 | abrotman | He can't use google himself? |
| 12:31.58 | abrotman | not everyone needs to be spoonfed by someone like you |
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| 22:35.41 | tonytraductor | how long should it take to burn a squeeze+lxde live iso to usb with unetbootin? I've tried several times, and it seems to hang at squashfs...should that take a long time, copying that file? |
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| 22:37.08 | tonytraductor | to clarify, I mean in the extracting/copying files stage...it gets to 32%, copying filesystem.squashfs, and just hangs there. |
| 22:37.32 | mmnicolas | live images built with debian-live uses iso-hybrid, you don't need unetbootin |
| 22:37.49 | y3n | esmi.allalla.com |
| 22:37.50 | mmnicolas | you could just rawrite or dd the iso on your usb key |
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| 22:41.40 | tonytraductor | ah ok...looks like it finally got past squashfs...now cranking through the rest. I suppose that one just takes a long time. |
| 22:42.01 | mmnicolas | it's the actual live filesystem, so yes |
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| 22:42.49 | mmnicolas | it may work, but you're not doing it the right way |
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| 23:00.52 | sdfgsdjf | I got this .no domain at http://www.domainnameshop.com/. But when trying to add nameservers in their control panel, I get: "The nameserver ns.sdfgsdjf.no does not answer authoritatively on queries for zone sdfgsdjf.no." |
| 23:00.56 | sdfgsdjf | Domainnameshop.no told me to read up on http://www.norid.no/regelverk/vedlegg-f.en.html -- but I can't find anything in my setup that violates those rules: http://pastie.org/4582497 -- can you? |
| 23:04.20 | jelly-home | sdfgsdjf: what's the ns server's ip? |
| 23:04.46 | sdfgsdjf | jelly-home: I'm sorry I'm bound by contract not to reveal it until our site goes live |
| 23:04.48 | jelly-home | 187.187.187.187 looks suspicious |
| 23:04.57 | sdfgsdjf | jelly-home: But I can run queries for you if you give me the commands though |
| 23:05.04 | sdfgsdjf | Yeah 187 is the Californian penal code for murder |
| 23:05.07 | jelly-home | I'm bound by common sense to be less than helpful |
| 23:05.17 | jelly-home | sorry |
| 23:05.49 | sdfgsdjf | how would you like a 187 in your name? |
| 23:05.51 | jelly-home | debugging name services via proxy last at night is not funneh |
| 23:05.57 | sdfgsdjf | hehe |
| 23:05.58 | jelly-home | late* |
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| 23:06.04 | sdfgsdjf | yeah i know what u mean |
| 23:06.11 | sdfgsdjf | fuck it lets just chill instead |
| 23:06.14 | jelly-home | nod |
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| 23:10.03 | ws2k3 | how should i modify this if i wanne disable swap |
| 23:10.03 | ws2k3 | http://nopaste.info/ac664bc3de.html |
| 23:10.07 | ws2k3 | its my fstab |
| 23:11.18 | peterS | comment out line 3 by putting # at the front of it |
| 23:11.36 | peterS | that only takes effect at reboot time so if you want to disable swap right now, run 'swapoff -a' |
| 23:12.08 | ws2k3 | ok thx |
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| 23:27.45 | gimpy50 | Does anyong know of a way to make alsa output louder on Squeeze? I have a media cetner that is often very quiet despite being pn max volume in everything withint alsamixer. |
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| 23:29.31 | tke | I know this isn't an irssi channel but I'm having issues with passive DCC from irssi and have just googled out anyone done this before? |
| 23:29.53 | LtL | tke: try #irssi |
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| 23:30.08 | tke | they have a channel? your kiding |
| 23:30.17 | tke | don't know why I didn't hit that first |
| 23:30.17 | LtL | tke: yes they do |
| 23:30.24 | tke | thanks |
| 23:30.31 | LtL | tke: welcome |
| 23:30.57 | aeternum_solus | a rather large one, too ^_^ |
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| 23:36.16 | sdfgsdjf | tke: hey |
| 23:36.22 | sdfgsdjf | u seen that dwayne dude's theme? |
| 23:36.27 | sdfgsdjf | irssi theme i mean? |
| 23:36.29 | sdfgsdjf | fucking amazing |
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| 23:36.57 | sdfgsdjf | THE SIMPLEST, MOST READABLE IRSSI THEME POSSIBLE -- https://gist.github.com/1602971 |
| 23:37.00 | sdfgsdjf | spread the word |
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| 23:39.55 | tke | sdfgsdjf: sup? |
| 23:40.30 | tke | irssi has a large room alright but no one in there is very chatty :-( |
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| 23:45.53 | arthurmaciel | hello |
| 23:46.05 | arthurmaciel | guys, how do I make ssh run startup please? |
| 23:46.24 | tke | sshd or ssh? |
| 23:46.48 | tke | the server service is the one I would think you want running right? |
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| 23:47.32 | ManoftheSea | arthurmaciel: do you have openssh-server installed? |
| 23:47.51 | arthurmaciel | tke and ManoftheSea: yes and yes |
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| 23:48.40 | arthurmaciel | well, update-rc.d seems to do the job |
| 23:48.40 | ManoftheSea | arthurmaciel: service openssh-server start |
| 23:48.51 | ManoftheSea | that's how you'd enable it, yes. |
| 23:49.18 | tke | arthurmaciel: ManoftheSea has it |
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| 23:50.06 | arthurmaciel | ManoftheSea: would this make it start at every boot? |
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| 23:51.22 | tke | arthurmaciel: the "service" command wont make it start at run time it will only start it for you that one time |
| 23:51.39 | tke | arthurmaciel: the update-rc is what you want to use to start it at boot |
| 23:51.44 | ManoftheSea | arthurmaciel: test with the "service..." command the first time. |
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| 23:51.51 | arthurmaciel | it worked |
| 23:51.56 | ManoftheSea | If it starts alright, then use update-rc.d to keep it. |
| 23:52.08 | ManoftheSea | Do you know your runlevels, and where you want it started? |
| 23:52.51 | arthurmaciel | I have no idea |
| 23:52.55 | arthurmaciel | maybe 4 |
| 23:53.14 | arthurmaciel | from 2 to 5 |
| 23:53.15 | ManoftheSea | I'd suggest 3, 4, and 5... |
| 23:53.24 | ManoftheSea | But I've been using systemd, and forgetting about runlevels |
| 23:53.49 | arthurmaciel | ManoftheSea: what's the difference between 3, 4 and 5? |
| 23:55.00 | ManoftheSea | I don't recall. I believe 3 is your general use runlevel in debian... |
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| 23:55.12 | arthurmaciel | sudo update-rc.d ssh defaults 20 3 |
| 23:55.15 | ManoftheSea | But you can check by looking in the /etc/rc.d directories |
| 23:55.22 | tke | I believe 3 is command line only isn't it? |
| 23:55.22 | arthurmaciel | update-rc.d: warning: ssh stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none) |
| 23:56.15 | LtL | arthurmaciel: not to worry, it's normal. |
| 23:56.26 | tke | I think run level 5 is what we run in but that's could be just bad memory |
| 23:56.37 | tke | there is a command to check what was that? |
| 23:57.11 | arthurmaciel | I'll test it out. |
| 23:57.16 | arthurmaciel | See you and thanks for help! |
| 23:57.21 | gotmynick | tke, man init |
| 23:58.21 | LtL | i didn't see the 20 3 parameters, they aren't used are they? |
| 23:58.22 | gasull | Hi. I have libcairo2 1.12 and I want to downgrade to 1.10 because of a bug that garbles text. How should I do this so when there is a new libcairo2 1.13 or above, my package is automatically upgraded? Thanks. |
| 23:58.39 | nsadmin | your inittab would tell you the default runlevel |
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| 23:59.44 | nsadmin | gasull, is there a patch that fixes 1.12? |
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