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| 00:17.25 | silverarrow | does anyone use midori? |
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| 00:30.00 | wjtaylor | so when I dl a source package, where does it get dl to? |
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| 00:35.29 | somiaj | wjtaylor: by what means do you dl it? |
| 00:35.38 | somiaj | wjtaylor: apt-get source foo -- will put it in the cwd |
| 00:35.44 | wjtaylor | download. |
| 00:36.00 | wjtaylor | Thanks. I found it. It was in usr/src ... I should have known |
| 00:36.13 | somiaj | how are you doing loading it, depeing on the download app it will put it in various places |
| 00:36.40 | somiaj | but yes packages like kernel-source will put the source in /usr/src |
| 00:36.48 | somiaj | wjtaylor: what 'source' package are you talking about? |
| 00:37.41 | somiaj | the kernel-source packages are not 'source' packages, but regular packages that contain source code (a source package is the source to build the package in debian which is different than installing a packge that contains source) |
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| 00:39.29 | wjtaylor | qc-usb |
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| 00:39.58 | wjtaylor | understood |
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| 00:40.37 | somiaj | wjtaylor: qc-usb-source is just a normal package (it isn't a source package) |
| 00:40.57 | somiaj | wjtaylor: in the future you can use 'dpkg -L qc-usb-source' and it will list all the files it installed (makes figuring out where it put things easier) |
| 00:42.11 | vyadhaka | printing using avahi/zeroconf/dnssd used to work on my laptop to a wireless printer. I am guessing some update might have caused it to fail now. laptop is connected to the printer wireless network but cups does not pick up the printer. anyone know how to fix this? - running Squeeze |
| 00:43.10 | somiaj | vyadhaka: do other computers on the network see the printer? |
| 00:43.59 | vyadhaka | somiaj: Yes windows pc works fine in ad-hoc mode. it's just the debian laptop |
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| 00:44.37 | somiaj | have you tried to configure the printer in cups as opposed to just letting it automatically detect it? |
| 00:44.49 | vyadhaka | I think last I used the laptop in ad-hoc mode was almost 6 months ago, I am guessing cups might have had an update |
| 00:45.07 | somiaj | squeeze will not get version updates (only bug fixes) |
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| 00:45.30 | vyadhaka | ok |
| 00:45.31 | somiaj | so I wouldn't think a update would cause that to just stop working since the version should be the same (it just may have had a bug/security fix). |
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| 00:46.39 | somiaj | I have never messed with cups auto detecting of network printers, I have always manually configured them, which would be my only suggestion (don't know much beyond that) |
| 00:47.00 | vyadhaka | somiaj: also avahi does not discover the printer even though the laptop is connected to the printer |
| 00:47.29 | somiaj | can you ping the printers ip? |
| 00:47.35 | vyadhaka | yes |
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| 00:48.45 | somiaj | hmm, my guess is the problem is in avahi and its autodetction. again I would just try to manually configure the printer with the ip |
| 00:49.11 | vyadhaka | will do, thanks |
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| 00:50.58 | wjtaylor | somiaj: thx. that's a good tip |
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| 01:00.34 | wjtaylor | OK. I'm trying to compile the qc-usb-source module and am getting error 2, because there is no rule for the directory. What is that? and how do I fix? |
| 01:01.02 | somiaj | wjtaylor: provide a bit more info |
| 01:01.17 | wjtaylor | what would you like? |
| 01:01.18 | somiaj | wjtaylor: like what commands are you typing to 'compile' (as there are multiple ways) |
| 01:01.37 | somiaj | wjtaylor: also have you read though /usr/share/doc/qc-usb-source -- it may contain some good instructions for you. |
| 01:01.49 | wjtaylor | there's no configure file, so I just type make. I also tried make all, with the same error. |
| 01:02.15 | wjtaylor | my working directory is the source directory |
| 01:02.21 | somiaj | wjtaylor: you have to compile the module against the kernel, so you actually run the compile command with having the correct linux-headers for your kernel installed |
| 01:02.56 | somiaj | you can use modular-assistance to try to automate this, but I would first check that directory /usr/share/doc/qc-usb-source and see if the readme in there gives you detial instructions (most do) |
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| 01:04.16 | somiaj | !tell wjtaylor about module-assistant |
| 01:04.33 | wjtaylor | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1167298/ |
| 01:05.04 | wjtaylor | http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:05.40 | somiaj | arg -- on a strange computer, can't figure out copy/paste for links sorry |
| 01:05.56 | wjtaylor | np |
| 01:05.56 | somiaj | but you don't want to compile it with just 'make' you need a bit more info like about the linux-headers and such |
| 01:06.16 | somiaj | I suggest you just use module-assistant if you didn't find any useful info in that doc directory I pointed you to |
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| 01:06.23 | wjtaylor | the make command issues another make command with an embeded `uname -r` in it |
| 01:06.43 | wjtaylor | can you tell me what the rule means? |
| 01:06.56 | somiaj | not really, I would have to debug it. |
| 01:06.58 | wjtaylor | I'm not that familiar with building on a unix machine |
| 01:07.10 | wjtaylor | ok |
| 01:07.11 | somiaj | personally I'd first read though the readme in /usr/share/doc/qc-usb-source |
| 01:07.16 | somiaj | and look for instructions |
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| 01:07.27 | wjtaylor | it didn't have much to say about my error... |
| 01:07.45 | wjtaylor | I'm sure I'll get to those errors in a bit. :) |
| 01:07.45 | somiaj | well it should tell you instructions to get it to work, which might just avoid the error |
| 01:08.04 | somiaj | but yea I can't be of to much more help to you except point you in various directions |
| 01:08.05 | wjtaylor | it told me to issue make... |
| 01:08.12 | somiaj | module-assistant may do it all for you automatically |
| 01:08.19 | wjtaylor | ok |
| 01:08.39 | somiaj | again it really depends on the quality of this package, it is one I have no familarity with |
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| 01:09.59 | GeekAdmin | Is there a channel operator or administrator available by chance? I want to add a Debian web chat on my site but wanted to see if its okay to do. |
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| 01:10.29 | rizzle | can i use backports with wheezy? or is that something i should only do with stable? |
| 01:10.34 | somiaj | !ops for GeekAdmin |
| 01:10.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: somiaj complains about: for GeekAdmin |
| 01:10.43 | GeekAdmin | thanks |
| 01:11.15 | rizzle | someone here said that bpo packages are too old for wheezy |
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| 01:11.40 | somiaj | rizzle: backport means compile a source package from one version of debian on another version. The the officaly made and distributed are only for squeeze-backports |
| 01:11.55 | somiaj | since 99% of squeeze-backports are created from wheezy sources, there should be no reason to need them on wheezy |
| 01:12.05 | rizzle | i see |
| 01:12.06 | somiaj | GeekAdmin: note this is not the offical debian irc network |
| 01:12.16 | GeekAdmin | somiaj: thats fine though |
| 01:12.35 | somiaj | GeekAdmin: ok I was just gonna say check out irc.oftc.net and wiki.debian.org/IRC |
| 01:12.38 | somiaj | or something like that |
| 01:12.43 | GeekAdmin | I want to create a webpage on my site that is titled "The unnofficial debian chat" |
| 01:12.54 | GeekAdmin | the page has no advertisements at all, so I think they will be okay with it |
| 01:13.15 | GeekAdmin | and I'll make sure its very clear that its on freenode |
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| 01:13.36 | zinx | generally channels do not want random web users joining |
| 01:14.09 | somiaj | GeekAdmin: well for the most part freenode shouldn't care what clinet is used to connect. The main issue I would see (I'm no op) is if it gets used to abuse/bypass bans/or spam the channel. |
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| 01:15.03 | somiaj | and yes most people I've seen who come in from web irc clients ask terrible questions and just cause noise, so I don't have much faith in that method, though ideally there is no issue with it. |
| 01:15.03 | GeekAdmin | somiaj: its just a qwebirc chat..its all on freenodes end. |
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| 01:15.14 | GeekAdmin | somiaj: ah ok |
| 01:15.22 | GeekAdmin | somiaj: I want to have specific rules on the page as well |
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| 01:15.26 | gotmynick | There is http://webchat.freenode.net |
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| 01:15.29 | somiaj | yea, I don't think #debian requires you to be a registered user, but some channels do |
| 01:15.34 | GeekAdmin | gotmynick: thats what I'd be using |
| 01:15.41 | gotmynick | some channels that does not want web users, requires registered users for speak in |
| 01:15.48 | gotmynick | it's not the case of #debian |
| 01:15.50 | GeekAdmin | gotmynick: what about this channel? |
| 01:15.52 | GeekAdmin | oh ok |
| 01:16.02 | GeekAdmin | gotmynick: can I pm you? |
| 01:16.08 | GeekAdmin | gotmynick: I'd like to show you an example page |
| 01:16.10 | gotmynick | I'm not op |
| 01:16.12 | somiaj | GeekAdmin: another issue with web irc clients is sometimes the whole client gets banned cause of one abuser so it makes it so no one can use it |
| 01:16.32 | gotmynick | GeekAdmin, better if you treat it with the channel people, I'm a casual user |
| 01:16.36 | GeekAdmin | somiaj: but you can ban in a way so that doesnt happen |
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| 01:16.41 | GeekAdmin | gotmynick: oh ok |
| 01:16.57 | somiaj | GeekAdmin: sometimes you have to ban the ip/domain since people change their nicks around. |
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| 01:17.13 | somiaj | GeekAdmin: anyways you should /j #debian-offtopic (Since this is not on topic for this channel) |
| 01:17.25 | WinstonSmith | i always just ban 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:17.28 | somiaj | GeekAdmin: there are some ops that hang out there and wait for one to respond if you want clarification |
| 01:17.29 | yann2 | hello! Is it possible to force a duplex mode or the speed of a network interface in a permanent manner - without writing a custom init script? Or is this the only way to do it? |
| 01:18.00 | GeekAdmin | somiaj: ok thanks |
| 01:18.29 | gotmynick | yann2, you can plug pre-up, up, down. and post-down commands in /etc/network/interfaces (like ethtool commands) |
| 01:18.29 | somiaj | yann2: is duplex set when the interface is brought up with ip/ifconfig or when the module is loaded? |
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| 01:18.43 | gotmynick | ah |
| 01:18.56 | somiaj | if you can set it when the interface is brought up you can configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:19.09 | gotmynick | if it's a module option, then it's better to do it in /etc/modprobe.d/modulename.conf |
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| 01:19.24 | gotmynick | options modulename option=arg |
| 01:19.28 | somiaj | but I belive it is a module paramter in which case you'll have to create a /etc/modprobe.d/ as gotmynick said, and the option is completely depending on the network card/module used |
| 01:19.30 | yann2 | calling ethtool in pre-up actually sounds great :) I wonder why all tutorials online speak of writing an init script |
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| 01:19.50 | yann2 | somiaj, just random question, playing around, no real problem here :) |
| 01:19.55 | somiaj | yann2: I belive duplex is created when the moudle is brought up (not when the interface is brought up) |
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| 01:20.19 | somiaj | but I don't know forsure, so you now have multiple options. |
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| 01:20.38 | yann2 | well, be it post or pre-up, I ll probably try both :) I guess I ll give it a try, but thanks for the advice, I find this way much cleaner |
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| 01:22.17 | gotmynick | ethtool has "advertise", "autoneg" and "dulpex" options... not every modules have them |
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| 01:23.09 | SiDz | im unable to get awstats resolving ipv6 |
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| 01:23.28 | SiDz | loadplugin="ipv6" dont work |
| 01:23.40 | SiDz | i have net::dns and net::ip but still no go |
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| 01:25.20 | gotmynick | libio-socket-inet6-perl ? |
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| 01:25.51 | gotmynick | it's "recommended" by libdns-perl |
| 01:26.19 | gotmynick | net::ip seems to work with ipv6 as well as ipv4 |
| 01:26.26 | gotmynick | (by the description) |
| 01:27.07 | SiDz | i already have libio-socket-inet6-perl |
| 01:27.26 | SiDz | from awstats doc, loading plugin ipv6 should resolv ipv6 adress |
| 01:27.29 | SiDz | but it's not working for me |
| 01:27.56 | silverarrow | has anyone made gnash work in firefox ? |
| 01:28.14 | silverarrow | I suspect browserplugin is not working properly |
| 01:28.35 | gotmynick | SiDz, any error message in logs ? I don't use awstats... maybe research upstream and debian bugtrackers |
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| 01:33.03 | somiaj | silverarrow: how is gnash not working? it most likely won't be compadable with a lot of flash pages |
| 01:33.52 | silverarrow | it runs fine in midori, but not firefox |
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| 01:34.01 | silverarrow | player doesn`t even detect in firefox |
| 01:34.17 | silverarrow | just an open black square |
| 01:34.24 | somiaj | anything show up in about:plugins? |
| 01:34.35 | silverarrow | yeah, plugin is there |
| 01:34.40 | silverarrow | just does not work |
| 01:34.56 | somiaj | are you on amd64? |
| 01:35.19 | silverarrow | no, powerpc and regular i386 |
| 01:35.27 | silverarrow | seems to be the same |
| 01:35.38 | somiaj | since debian doesn't have firefox (it uses iceweasle), I was just making sure there wasn't some arch issue |
| 01:35.50 | silverarrow | though I am not reporting anything until I have made a double check and had a bit of help sorting it out |
| 01:36.36 | somiaj | silverarrow: and you are actually sing firefox as opposed to iceweasel |
| 01:36.38 | silverarrow | I mean any moziall browser sorry¨ |
| 01:36.43 | silverarrow | I have tried a few |
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| 01:36.52 | silverarrow | lol |
| 01:37.19 | somiaj | just making sure it wasn't some issue with a non debian repo browser not detcing libs in the right place |
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| 01:37.59 | silverarrow | I just hoped to have someone else who tried Gnash |
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| 01:40.00 | somiaj | yea all I can do is check to see what you have done, you have browser-plugin-gnash installed right? |
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| 01:40.25 | silverarrow | yes |
| 01:40.36 | somiaj | what version of debian? |
| 01:40.58 | silverarrow | 6.0.5 |
| 01:41.04 | silverarrow | sqeezy |
| 01:41.49 | somiaj | hmm, don't see any bugreports about it. oh well, best of luck, if you lurk around maybe ask your question durining the week you may get more repsones |
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| 01:42.12 | silverarrow | I have googled it, but very few uses Gnash |
| 01:42.21 | silverarrow | but nothing works where it should |
| 01:42.37 | silverarrow | I discovered it when I tried midori |
| 01:42.54 | silverarrow | which must use something else |
| 01:42.56 | somiaj | from my experience gnash just supported so few webpages only the very deticated free users used it..but I haven't heard much about its compadability ina few years |
| 01:43.11 | somiaj | maybe it uses a newer version |
| 01:43.18 | somiaj | ,versions browser-plugin-gnash |
| 01:43.18 | silverarrow | these days gnash works fine with youtube |
| 01:43.18 | judd | Package: browser-plugin-gnash on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.8-5+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 0.8.8-5+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.8.10-5~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.11~git20120629-1; wheezy: 0.8.11~git20120629-1 |
| 01:43.35 | somiaj | maybe try the version from squeeze-backports? |
| 01:43.43 | silverarrow | papi something I think |
| 01:43.48 | silverarrow | napi |
| 01:44.09 | somiaj | it could be 8.8 is just a bit to old, and you need 8.10 |
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| 01:44.26 | silverarrow | let me look it up |
| 01:44.58 | somiaj | most of youtube can be viewed with html5 and you can just get rid of flash alltogether |
| 01:46.31 | silverarrow | I do have some trouble with html5, hangups, freezes, but fine audio |
| 01:46.39 | silverarrow | gnash streams smooth, even on ppc |
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| 01:47.33 | silverarrow | it is really only ppc which is a challenge, but I get the gnash trouble with both pcs |
| 01:48.31 | silverarrow | I might bump into someone willing to test Gnash in debian tomorrow |
| 01:49.07 | somiaj | if I was home I'd give it a shot, but I run sid. |
| 01:49.18 | silverarrow | and too late for me |
| 01:49.26 | silverarrow | ...of to bed |
| 01:49.31 | somiaj | g'night |
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| 01:49.35 | silverarrow | see you another time |
| 01:49.36 | silverarrow | zzzz |
| 01:49.42 | silverarrow | :- ) |
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| 01:57.10 | yann2 | speaking of gnash, it'll be interesting to see how it's going to develop now that adobe is dropping flash for linux... |
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| 02:00.52 | sergioguerra | hello |
| 02:00.56 | sergioguerra | i need help |
| 02:01.11 | sergioguerra | i just dled a copy of snowlinux a version of dedbiam\ |
| 02:01.11 | sergioguerra | fkrign\ |
| 02:01.15 | sergioguerra | =sorry |
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| 02:01.22 | sergioguerra | and i have no wireless |
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| 02:02.28 | owen1 | i have a bash script with a a few lines. each one execute a command in the background with &. how to make each line available to the 'jobs' command? |
| 02:04.11 | alfplayer | owen1: source the script maybe? |
| 02:04.20 | sergioguerra | guys |
| 02:04.32 | sergioguerra | i have not installed it yet |
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| 02:07.34 | owen1 | alfplayer: interestig. when i run my script using ./script or sh script i don't think i was able to see it in 'jobs'. what's the 'secret'? |
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| 02:08.41 | alfplayer | owen1: you can try sourcing the script, like this: source your_script |
| 02:08.50 | alfplayer | or: . your_script |
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| 02:09.30 | alfplayer | that executes commands on the scipt on you current shell |
| 02:09.51 | owen1 | alfplayer: yeah. it's working. thank you. i am a bit confused with the difference between your way to my other attempts. |
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| 02:10.04 | owen1 | ./script vs sh script vs source script |
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| 02:11.10 | alfplayer | owen1: executing a script opens a new environment (subshell), sourcing doesn't |
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| 02:12.29 | alfplayer | jobs on the parent shell only gets jobs on that (parent) shell |
| 02:12.47 | sergioguerra | i just dled a copy of snowlinux a version of dedbiam\ |
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| 02:13.05 | sergioguerra | HMMMMMM what happends if i fuck up my hardrive |
| 02:13.06 | owen1 | alfplayer: googling for those terms. thanks! |
| 02:13.11 | sergioguerra | lol |
| 02:13.19 | alfplayer | owen1: you're welcome |
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| 02:14.47 | owen1 | alfplayer: so a subshell is a new process, and sourcing will run my script in the current process? |
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| 02:14.53 | acx0 | I'm playing around with apache and it seems that my home dir needs to have permissions o+x for my public_html folder to be readable, although this lets other users view files in my home dir, is there any way to get around this? |
| 02:15.29 | alfplayer | owen1: I think that's correct |
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| 02:19.16 | alfplayer | owen1: also, running scripts normally (not sourcing) does not create an interactive shell, thus job control is not enabled |
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| 02:20.48 | owen1 | alfplayer: interactive shell? let me see what google say (: |
| 02:21.30 | alfplayer | owen1: yes, you better get a good reference |
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| 02:22.04 | owen1 | alfplayer: i guess it's repl? |
| 02:22.21 | owen1 | read eval print loop |
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| 02:23.07 | alfplayer | owen1: what's that? that's unrelated |
| 02:23.52 | nsadmin | alfplayer, sourcing also does not create a shell |
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| 02:25.02 | nsadmin | sourcing uses the shell sourced from (and for that reason there are specific things you can do) |
| 02:25.41 | alfplayer | nsadmin: correct, that's what I meant |
| 02:25.49 | nsadmin | not-sourcing does create a shell, and (as you imply) it's not interactive |
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| 02:26.39 | owen1 | alfplayer: after some googling for 'interactive shell' i thought it's a generic name for a terminal where u can type commands and it prints them. like in node/ruby/python |
| 02:27.13 | nsadmin | owen1 you have the jist correct |
| 02:27.24 | alfplayer | owen1: yes, the regular command line is an interactive shell |
| 02:27.29 | nsadmin | if you want, we can straighten out the details |
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| 02:29.31 | owen1 | i notices that when i source, i see some output from the different processes i run in my script. is that the 'interactive' nature you are talking about? |
| 02:30.45 | nsadmin | well for one thing, say you're at your interactive shell, and it's a process, and for example let's say its process ID (pid) is 1234 |
| 02:32.40 | nsadmin | if you not-source something else, what happens is a new process is created, say 4321, and the #! (or other two-char code) is read from the file, and based on what is found, the process 4321 becomes an interpreter which runs your script |
| 02:33.30 | nsadmin | if you -do- source the script, then a new process is -not- created, and the script is read and executed by process 1234, which is your interactive shell |
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| 02:34.07 | nsadmin | another thing to note, is the shell is NOT the terminal, that is a separate process, it's not a shell at all, but a shell runs in it |
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| 02:35.37 | nsadmin | so when you start gnome-terminal (say at process ID 1111), it fires up a separate process (say, 2222) for the interactive shell that runs in the terminal |
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| 02:37.13 | owen1 | so terminal is process and shell is another process, that was spawned from the terminal process. |
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| 02:40.27 | sergioguerra | hello |
| 02:41.01 | sergioguerra | guys i just installed a fresh debian install aned wireless is not working |
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| 02:42.03 | sergioguerra | plase dont tell me i have to switch to lm or something? |
| 02:42.48 | sergioguerra | guess im installing mint |
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| 02:43.21 | danols_toronto | hi all |
| 02:43.34 | sergioguerra | hello |
| 02:43.37 | danols_toronto | is it possible to see 'who' is trying to access a linux server? |
| 02:43.55 | sergioguerra | POO |
| 02:43.57 | danols_toronto | like see the raw incomming packet list or something as I am not sure what port it might be accessing |
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| 02:45.13 | danols_toronto | connection attempts but not to a specific service, is there a log? |
| 02:45.34 | ectospasm | sergioguerra: there are many reasons why wireless could fail... |
| 02:46.02 | ectospasm | ...most common that I can see is the wifi firmware not loading (because non-free firmware isn't loaded by default) |
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| 02:47.02 | danols_toronto | tricky to search the right term but possible :) http://serverfault.com/questions/193600/how-to-get-a-linux-network-log |
| 02:47.07 | ectospasm | danols_toronto: you can use something like iftop to see what IPs are connection |
| 02:47.49 | nsadmin | sergioguerra, this is your choice. remember that devices are handled by the kernel |
| 02:48.12 | danols_toronto | iftop would work prob much better |
| 02:48.21 | danols_toronto | looking into it ectospasm ! thank you |
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| 02:58.45 | LinuxCharge | hi getting error when compile , /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl. anyone know what im missing ? |
| 02:59.16 | ManoftheSea | sounds like you're missing perl. |
| 02:59.35 | LinuxCharge | if i do perl -v i get 5.8.8 |
| 02:59.44 | ManoftheSea | LinuxCharge: check that you have the -dev packages |
| 02:59.54 | ManoftheSea | such as perl-dev |
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| 03:00.05 | ManoftheSea | I don't know the specifics of perl dev packages. |
| 03:00.05 | LinuxCharge | ok i will check this |
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| 03:00.14 | ManoftheSea | But libraries and headers are part of *-dev |
| 03:00.31 | caf | libperl-dev in particular |
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| 03:00.53 | caf | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=libperl.so |
| 03:01.10 | LinuxCharge | looks like libperl-dev not installed I will do it now and try compile. |
| 03:01.10 | nsadmin | LinuxCharge, when perl is built, there;s a lot of options... one is whether to build libperl (if not, it gets included into the perl executable)... what you want is what caf said |
| 03:01.32 | nsadmin | debian perl is built with a separate libperl |
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| 03:05.00 | LinuxCharge | cheers looks like perl dev was issue |
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| 03:09.32 | gasull | Hi. I'm installed Debian Testing and it's asking me what kernel to install, linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 or linux-image-amd64. Which one should I choose? |
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| 03:28.18 | solid_liq | anyone have any idea how long it will be until Wheezy is marked stable? |
| 03:30.07 | ManoftheSea | solid_liq: when the release candidate bugs are fixed. |
| 03:30.16 | ManoftheSea | Would you like to help? |
| 03:30.18 | solid_liq | ManoftheSea, I mean, any idea how long it will be? |
| 03:30.35 | ManoftheSea | I expect it will take less than a year. |
| 03:30.44 | solid_liq | hmmmm |
| 03:30.45 | ManoftheSea | I have no more detail than that. |
| 03:30.47 | ManoftheSea | sorry |
| 03:30.49 | solid_liq | okay, thanks |
| 03:31.08 | ManoftheSea | Not trying to be unhelpful. I also don't know where, offhand, the list of RC bugs is. |
| 03:31.17 | solid_liq | I'm setting up a server soon, and I like to use stable, but Wheezy has a kernel that's new enough to support a feature I want... trying to decide if I should take the risk |
| 03:32.48 | ManoftheSea | solid_liq: you could check the rc bugs to see if they affect packages you want to use. |
| 03:33.00 | ManoftheSea | I have been running wheezy on a laptop for a month or two. |
| 03:33.07 | solid_liq | how is it? |
| 03:33.12 | ManoftheSea | I've got a weird bluetooth audio issue, but otherwise quite nice. |
| 03:33.33 | peterrooney | dpkg: rc bugs |
| 03:33.34 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 03:33.35 | ManoftheSea | I installed from debootstrap |
| 03:34.29 | solid_liq | I only use debian for servers these days |
| 03:34.37 | ManoftheSea | high-five |
| 03:34.40 | solid_liq | I've taken to using Ubuntu for desktops, I have to admit |
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| 03:35.05 | solid_liq | it's just so simple to get everything working correctly that way |
| 03:35.24 | solid_liq | oh, and of course, I use open embedded for embedded systems |
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| 03:36.20 | guampa | solid_liq: not that hard (imo) to compile/update a kernel from upstream with git and make-kpkg |
| 03:36.44 | ManoftheSea | solid_liq: have you tried the backport kernel? |
| 03:36.52 | solid_liq | guampa, true. I have to admit that there are a few other things in there as well |
| 03:37.21 | solid_liq | ManoftheSea, I'd build from kernel.org |
| 03:37.48 | solid_liq | maybe I should build a new kernel for zram, and only use wheezy for the vm's that need it |
| 03:39.00 | solid_liq | I only need 2.6.37 for it |
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| 03:40.30 | nsadmin | 2.6.37 isn't in debian, but several 3.x are |
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| 03:54.06 | solid_liq | nsadmin, yeah, but I need 3.0>version≥2.6.37 |
| 03:54.16 | solid_liq | nsadmin, 3.0 changes a bunch of stuff |
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| 03:55.33 | nsadmin | hmm, let's see, is there a 3.0... |
| 03:55.42 | solid_liq | Happy birthday to Linux, btw |
| 03:55.47 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 03:55.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 03:56.15 | nsadmin | nope, it;s all 3.2 and 3.5 |
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| 03:56.34 | ManoftheSea | is experimental always the latest from kernel.org? |
| 03:56.47 | ManoftheSea | or, if not "always"... it aims to be? |
| 03:57.25 | solid_liq | gah, kerneltrap is down |
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| 03:58.31 | solid_liq | might as well build the kernel from scratch, actually. it'll be running inside a vmware vm, so I'll know exactly what "hardware" it'll need drivers for. |
| 03:58.54 | caf | 3.0 wasn't a compatibility break or anything |
| 03:59.11 | caf | it didn't signify anything more important than "linus felt like the version number was high enough" |
| 03:59.14 | solid_liq | it does make a lot of changes, caf |
| 03:59.28 | solid_liq | at least, on the embedded side |
| 03:59.36 | caf | i follow the kernel development, it didn't make any more changes than a normal stable release |
| 03:59.42 | solid_liq | (I work with embedded Linux for my job) |
| 04:00.06 | solid_liq | we found we have to rebuild our distro image for the 3.0 series of kernels |
| 04:00.33 | caf | there were a couple of userspace programs that didn't like the number change |
| 04:00.59 | solid_liq | busybox might've been one of them |
| 04:01.04 | solid_liq | I don't remember exactly |
| 04:01.10 | nsadmin | in any case... if you need that version specifically, you'd have to build it |
| 04:01.23 | solid_liq | yeah, that's not too big of a deal |
| 04:01.34 | solid_liq | I've built 3 kernels in the last week ;) |
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| 04:04.26 | nsadmin | so what is it about .37 that you need? |
| 04:04.36 | ManoftheSea | offtopic |
| 04:04.57 | Losowski | Keep in mind, the kernel is developed as never to break user-space, the problem is vice versa when user-space breaks the kernel...Linux Torvalds has discussed this over many times on lkml.org |
| 04:05.15 | Losowski | from lmkl.org: "Dammit, I'm continually surprised by the *idiots* out there that don't |
| 04:05.16 | Losowski | understand that binary compatibility is one of the absolute top |
| 04:05.16 | Losowski | priorities. The *only* reason for an OS kernel existing in the first |
| 04:05.16 | Losowski | place is to serve user-space. The kernel has no relevance on its own. |
| 04:05.16 | Losowski | Breaking existing binaries - and then not acknowledging how horribly |
| 04:05.16 | Losowski | bad that was - is just about the *worst* offense any kernel developer |
| 04:05.18 | Losowski | can do. |
| 04:05.20 | Losowski | " |
| 04:05.22 | Losowski | sorry about that |
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| 04:05.32 | Losowski | my bad |
| 04:05.38 | nsadmin | wow :) debhelper isn't on duty :) |
| 04:05.46 | Losowski | my apologies |
| 04:06.12 | Losowski | I meant to have it on one line ;) |
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| 04:06.50 | caf | it's ok, i'll bill you for the extra bandwidth ;P |
| 04:06.55 | Losowski | That quote by Linux was perhaps one os his best recently |
| 04:07.06 | Losowski | *Linux |
| 04:07.08 | Losowski | haha |
| 04:07.10 | Losowski | Linus |
| 04:07.17 | Losowski | It's 6 am here4 |
| 04:07.36 | ManoftheSea | at least he wasn't bashing gnome again. |
| 04:07.43 | ManoftheSea | Geez, who's forcing him to use it? |
| 04:07.44 | Losowski | Check out this conversation Linus had, it's really great: |
| 04:07.49 | Losowski | https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/3/8/495 |
| 04:07.58 | ManoftheSea | oop. offtopic |
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| 04:08.31 | Losowski | ManoftheSea: Not really, I saw the kernel being discussed for quite a while without anyone crying 'offtopic' |
| 04:08.43 | Losowski | ..until now |
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| 04:09.24 | sauvin | I, for one, am not objecting, to the extent of agreeing very strongly that the kernel and userspace need to be kept very far apart. |
| 04:10.06 | ManoftheSea | Losowski: my understanding is that it isn't debian support, and thus should go in debian-offtopic. If I'm incorrect, please explain to me why. |
| 04:10.20 | sauvin | Let some grumpy op adjudicate. |
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| 04:11.18 | Losowski | ManoftheSea: If I had seen the topic had been classified 'offtopic' earlier, I would have never submitted my share of comments...I often see offtopic here being discussed by the very ops which oppose it, so that seems to be ok |
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| 04:13.31 | Losowski | It's all in the logs |
| 04:14.37 | ManoftheSea | that doesn't answer for me whether it belongs in offtopic. Things get labeled when someone labels them. I'm not trying to force you to move, I'm trying to understand whether you should. |
| 04:15.43 | rizzle | is there any reason to make a large boot partition? |
| 04:15.55 | rizzle | i mean is 35MBs ok ? |
| 04:16.13 | sauvin | Depends on how many kernels you plan on accumulating. |
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| 04:17.29 | rizzle | well i have bpo installed, and my /boot is only 22mibs |
| 04:17.42 | rizzle | so if i keep installing kernels though you are saying it will get bigger? |
| 04:18.25 | rizzle | 22mibs seems small for containing the kernel anyway :/ |
| 04:18.53 | sauvin | I myself don't have any clear answers for you because it's rare I'll put /boot in its own partition. |
| 04:20.04 | rizzle | yeah i think that if you have a /boot the kernel is stored in /root |
| 04:20.31 | rizzle | but you would be totally correct on this freebsd, it has the kernel in /boot/kernel |
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| 04:20.52 | sauvin | I've got about four kernels, and my total (du -h) for /boot is about 16 megs, looks like. I have nothing in /root that looks like a kernel. |
| 04:21.31 | caf | unless you've changed something, standard debian packages put the kernels into /boot |
| 04:22.01 | nsadmin | you would have had to change make-kpkg for that to happen |
| 04:22.32 | rudi_s | rizzle: 35M is a little small, but 100M should be fine. |
| 04:22.40 | caf | a single kernel plus initrd is in the ballpark of 15M so 35M looks very small |
| 04:23.25 | rudi_s | rizzle: The big part of the kernel are the modules, and they are stored in /lib/modules/. |
| 04:23.29 | nsadmin | for /boot? with these big drives you could make it 1g |
| 04:23.44 | Ottre | rizzle: i get by with a 30mb /boot |
| 04:23.51 | nsadmin | but yeah, 100mb for /boot would work |
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| 04:24.21 | nsadmin | Ottre, that's way too small |
| 04:24.32 | Ottre | and i use OS's that encourage you to strip down and recompile your kernel |
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| 04:24.50 | Ottre | like freebsd and gentoo |
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| 04:25.13 | nsadmin | hmm, I don't really know anything about those |
| 04:26.08 | rizzle | i am stripping down and recompiling my debian kernel :) |
| 04:26.30 | nsadmin | so you'll be a naked kernel compiler? |
| 04:26.37 | rizzle | hehe |
| 04:27.16 | rizzle | actually debian is sort of nice for working with the kernel. but way steeper learning curve than freebsd kernel compile |
| 04:27.55 | rizzle | so all these modules are stored in /lib/modules, hmm. i guess there is no reason really to get rid of them then? |
| 04:28.21 | Ottre | yep |
| 04:28.29 | Ottre | you should keep old modules around |
| 04:28.46 | rizzle | i mean when compiling the linux kernel |
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| 04:29.38 | rizzle | seems maybe i may as well keep them, well it helps me learn a lot about hardware any way to remove the stuff i dont need |
| 04:29.48 | rizzle | s/helps/makes/g |
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| 04:30.18 | Ottre | modularise any device you don't use on a daily basis |
| 04:30.25 | rizzle | ohhh i see |
| 04:30.45 | rizzle | hmm, alright thanks for the help |
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| 04:53.51 | jmd | Can anzone suggest how I can have mz kezboard mapping set according to the hardware, instead of according to the current login_ |
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| 04:58.21 | rizzle | Should i use a newer kernel on this ten year old machine? I think 2.6 may actually have been working better. even though glxgears reads the same frame rate |
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| 04:58.26 | rizzle | and ram is about the same |
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| 05:06.02 | gnarface | rizzle: i'd imagine the tradeoff using a newer kernel on older hardware would primarily be latency, not speed (and ram usage - its weird you're not using more) |
| 05:06.48 | gnarface | rizzle: i do it all the time though anyway. what i'd recommend is disable your serial and parellel ports in the bios, then unload the modules for them and the floppy (or compile them out of your kernel) |
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| 05:07.04 | gnarface | rizzle: taking off though, sorry that's all i can help for now |
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| 05:08.01 | ectospasm | rizzle: it's diminishing returns... you're not likely to squeeze that much more performance out of it with new kernels |
| 05:08.32 | ectospasm | unless of course new kernel features (such as schedulers) do really well on your (ancient) hardware. |
| 05:09.05 | gnarface | rizzle: oh yea, consider recompiling with an alternative scheduler... worth a try to play with |
| 05:09.12 | gnarface | rizzle: really going now sorry |
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| 05:15.43 | Dewi | !postgresql |
| 05:15.44 | dpkg | PostgreSQL is a robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of <SQL>. Supports views, stored procedures, triggers and scripting. Packaged in Debian, read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ("for the impatient"). http://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql http://postgresql.org/ #postgresql on irc.freenode.net. See also <phppgadmin>, <pg readline>. |
| 05:22.51 | Dewi | I am trying to do a safe-upgrade in stable, and postgresql-9.0 will no longer start. It seems to time out, and logs nothing. |
| 05:23.59 | Dewi | ah crap, something filled / |
| 05:24.33 | jagginess | calls Dewl's mom to change his diaper. |
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| 05:36.31 | netecho | are there any cons to using Chromium? I find it runs a lot faster than Google Chrome in deb |
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| 05:40.42 | jmd` | netecho: It's non-free |
| 05:40.48 | netecho | is it really? |
| 05:41.34 | netecho | jmd`: Chromium or Google Chrome? |
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| 05:44.29 | aidalgol | Uh, AFAIK, Chromium is free. It's not in the non-free repo. |
| 05:44.44 | netecho | yea I see on their website it's open-source |
| 05:45.03 | aidalgol | Well, open-source does not always mean free. |
| 05:45.05 | netecho | works a heck of a lot better too for me :) |
| 05:45.16 | netecho | BSD license? |
| 05:45.17 | aidalgol | But I think it is in this case. |
| 05:45.34 | netecho | yay |
| 05:46.23 | ectospasm | I've never understood freetards exclamation that BSD license is non-free |
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| 05:46.57 | netecho | well as far as my understanding goes BSD is a free license that just allows you to do stuff like closed source |
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| 05:48.17 | jmd` | I thought there was some javascript issue with Chrom/Chromium, but I don't use either. |
| 05:48.28 | ectospasm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.39 | jmd` | ectospasm: Who says the BSD license is non-free ? |
| 05:49.07 | netecho | ectospasm: yea it has less restrictions around it than say the GNU GPL right? |
| 05:49.10 | ectospasm | ...meaning you can do more with BSD licensed code than you can do with GPL. Namely, close off your changes and not distribute them. |
| 05:49.36 | ectospasm | I'm definitely not saying BSD is better |
| 05:49.47 | ectospasm | jmd`: I don't remember |
| 05:49.54 | netecho | yea but it definitely has its merits |
| 05:50.02 | jmd` | There was a practical problem with the old BSD licence which compelled you to put all the attributions in, but even then, nobody that I can recall said it was non-free. |
| 05:50.12 | ectospasm | s/BSD/the BSD license/ |
| 05:50.12 | netecho | but I think a few other licenses have followed that path as well |
| 05:50.35 | aidalgol | Conversely, I disagree that copyleft licences are bad because they don't let people make a closed fork. |
| 05:50.47 | jmd` | It's a non-copyleft license, sure. But that doesn't mean it's non-free. |
| 05:51.14 | ectospasm | jmd`: I honestly don't remember, but I remember someone several months ago making that comment, and I've been chewing on it for a while. |
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| 05:52.01 | netecho | well real life example |
| 05:52.07 | Orm8ie | The, frozen wheezy 7. If there is an issue discovered. Will that be fixed via updates? |
| 05:52.19 | ectospasm | Orm8ie: depends on the issue |
| 05:52.28 | Orm8ie | ok |
| 05:52.34 | jmd` | Anyways, I have a problem getting my keyboard map(s) correct. I always/often have to set them after I login. Can anyone recommend how to correct this? |
| 05:52.39 | aidalgol | ectospasm: Best not to think too much about such remarks. I'd have driven myself crazy if I dwelt on the remark someone made to me a while ago that the GPLv3 is "punishing Apple for using open-source software." |
| 05:52.50 | ectospasm | heh |
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| 05:52.55 | ectospasm | eff Appl |
| 05:52.58 | netecho | I'm developing some stuff in my own free time for my work to use freely under the conditions that they don't see the source so that way if I leave the company my software comes with me and they can't use it without my permission |
| 05:53.06 | milo64 | ectospasm: should i really wait for stable? |
| 05:53.12 | ectospasm | I hope some federal appeals judge whacks them |
| 05:53.54 | ectospasm | netecho: that may not be part of the agreements (if any) you signed when you were employed |
| 05:54.29 | ectospasm | I know that both of the jobs I worked for in the past few years had me sign agreements that said they own any works I write while in their employ |
| 05:54.38 | netecho | ectospasm: no agreements signed, this is being developed on my own systems as my own project to make my life easier and also save my boss money instead of buying commercial equivalents |
| 05:54.49 | ectospasm | netecho: then it's yours |
| 05:54.52 | netecho | exactly |
| 05:54.55 | milo64 | ectospasm: ? |
| 05:55.06 | netecho | I just intend to deploy it on my server at work for the staff to utilize freely |
| 05:55.13 | peterrooney | netecho: your lawyer may disagree |
| 05:55.14 | netecho | and yes I also own that server heh |
| 05:55.18 | ectospasm | milo64: it depends on how tolerant you are of a bumpy ride |
| 05:55.31 | milo64 | ok |
| 05:55.38 | milo64 | waits |
| 05:55.53 | ectospasm | milo64: though the ride with wheezy while it's in testing will be relatively smoother than when it wasn't frozen. |
| 05:56.00 | jmd` | ectospasm: BEfore I accept a job, I always get them to sign an agreement that to the opposite effect. |
| 05:56.22 | milo64 | ok |
| 05:56.22 | ectospasm | jmd`: depending on the job, you may not have that choice |
| 05:56.40 | jmd` | You don't have to take the job. |
| 05:56.56 | ectospasm | however, if I was a developer working for my company, I know that most software I write will be open source anyway |
| 05:57.06 | netecho | peterrooney: simple solution the day I quit I whipe the HDDs on all my systems to fufill the legal obligations that I don't leave with any data but I own all the hardware I use and this project is something done off corporate time to provide me with tools that will make my job easier |
| 05:57.24 | ectospasm | actually, most of the code I've written here are shell scripts anyway |
| 05:57.31 | netecho | they may own the data being used in the tools but I can give them a database back-up and format my drives to get around that |
| 05:58.11 | ectospasm | netecho: why be so selfish? What does it matter if they have your old code? Unless of course you're planning on selling it later. |
| 05:58.38 | netecho | ectospasm: if it gets good enough my plans would be to release it as open-source for non-commercial use |
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| 05:59.01 | milo64 | ... what i don't really know: what is debian based on? Debian gotta appear from something. |
| 05:59.04 | ectospasm | ah, so if they have a copy they can lay claim |
| 05:59.11 | netecho | yep |
| 05:59.17 | netecho | which is why they won't have a copy anyway |
| 05:59.32 | netecho | they shoulda been smart and bought all the equipment I use lol |
| 05:59.55 | ectospasm | milo64: Debian is one of the oldest package-based distros... it was developed from source, it's not based on any other distro that I know of |
| 06:00.01 | netecho | but since they didn't and I had to go and buy all my computers they have no access to my data except what I give them access to |
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| 06:00.17 | netecho | milo64: it's based off the Linux kernel? :P |
| 06:00.32 | sauvin | I thought debian was a re-do of sls or some darn thing. |
| 06:00.37 | ectospasm | netecho: which makes any distro, even Android, Linux |
| 06:00.42 | netecho | yep lol |
| 06:01.00 | ectospasm | sauvin: yeah, but that was in 1993, right? Does that even matter now? |
| 06:01.36 | sauvin | Hardly; it's just something for the historians to get their undies all in a bunch about. |
| 06:01.57 | milo64 | i thought debian was based off on made of nothing and magically become something :P |
| 06:02.06 | netecho | but yea I don't see my boss ever giving me an issue even if I quit over my code since he knows that by letting me use my own equipment that my only legal obligation is to return any data that they may not have a back up of and delete all copies of any materials used in my job |
| 06:03.43 | netecho | nice thing is 90% of my client data is in my head so although I give them my notes none of the specifics like contact information is written down anywhere |
| 06:03.57 | netecho | which will bite me in the ass if I ever take a blow to the head but meh :P |
| 06:04.21 | ectospasm | I've always left code at my previous positions, but that's because they're all Perl or Shell scripts |
| 06:04.37 | netecho | oh simple code that I don't care about meh |
| 06:05.02 | ectospasm | ...my first job after graduating was initially a PHP programming position, and I morphed into a sysadmin job |
| 06:05.14 | netecho | I did the same with one of my former employers but thats because I developed the scripts for their environment and it wasn't worth my time to try and take it from them |
| 06:05.15 | sauvin | What can really suck is having to sign NDAs where the span of time covered involves one' |
| 06:05.20 | sauvin | s demise. |
| 06:06.22 | netecho | ectospasm: I started out as a Night Desk Clerk and that morphed into an Accounting Position with backup functions to act as any manager in the building and also the On-Site Systems Admin :P |
| 06:07.04 | ectospasm | For any sort of IT position, I think it's SOP that the company has rights to what code you produce at work |
| 06:07.17 | netecho | its not in my employment contract lol |
| 06:07.28 | netecho | on paper I'm just an accountant |
| 06:07.51 | netecho | but I'm the only tech savvy person in the building so I maintain our systems instead of having our IT firm do it at a cost |
| 06:08.01 | ectospasm | netecho: which means the person that wrote the contract either didn't know what they were doing, or didn't expect you to be doing that job. |
| 06:08.12 | netecho | ectospasm: and thats also why I'm developing my code at home |
| 06:08.47 | ectospasm | only the really onerous contracts would try to own all your code, no matter where you write it |
| 06:08.54 | netecho | ectospasm: exactly lol I may not get paid extra for doing IT work but it also takes the legal liability off me lol |
| 06:08.55 | ectospasm | I don't know if that would even hold up in court |
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| 06:09.35 | ectospasm | ...actually, come to think of it, my clauses I think *DO* say they own all my code, but that can't be enforceable |
| 06:09.41 | netecho | but my employer has always been good to me so if I do leave I'd be nice enough to train my replacement for them |
| 06:09.45 | ectospasm | as long as I don't work on it on their equipment |
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| 06:09.52 | netecho | exactly |
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| 06:10.33 | netecho | plus if I want a lazy day at work I make up an issue with a server and spend the day "fixing" it lol |
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| 06:11.15 | ectospasm | heh, in order to test some recovery instructions I was writing, I had to figure out a way to break our lab Cent OS system |
| 06:11.35 | ectospasm | So I overwrote the root partition's superblock with random and zero data |
| 06:11.44 | netecho | always get breakfast for free, if I need a personal day they don't ask questions, if I want to run errands during my shift I do and they don't question it. but on the flip side I'm on-call 24/7 so it evens out |
| 06:11.49 | netecho | nice lol |
| 06:11.51 | ectospasm | that made the system kernel panic. I felt proud |
| 06:12.34 | netecho | well my employees didn't think it important to follow our Internet Usage policy... so I disabled the HDD on one of their computers and blamed it on a virus from visitng websites that aren't work approved lol |
| 06:12.46 | tehrabbitt | netecho: :| |
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| 06:13.01 | netecho | now we're gonna use that and the History logs we've pulled to write them up so that they don't do it again out of fear |
| 06:13.04 | ectospasm | I suppose that's one way of doing it |
| 06:13.26 | ectospasm | just set up squid, only allow blessed sites, and be done with it |
| 06:13.33 | ectospasm | problem solved |
| 06:13.40 | netecho | I've been screwing with squid a bit |
| 06:14.03 | netecho | it's either that or run a DNS server off my system |
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| 06:14.07 | ectospasm | it's been years since I have |
| 06:14.12 | oo_miguel | what does "contrib" as used in apt's sources.list mean? |
| 06:14.16 | ectospasm | DNS is another way |
| 06:14.39 | ectospasm | oo_miguel: means contributed packages that aren't part of main proper, but non non-free |
| 06:14.46 | netecho | I had to show them somehow why the policy is in place. They deal with a lot of client data including credit cards and going to websites that aren't approved by us can have legal implications not only for them but for the company as well |
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| 06:16.00 | netecho | yea I was thinking of setting up a DNS blackhole, just setting it to resolve the sites I want and everything else doesn't resolve or points to our intranet |
| 06:16.14 | oo_miguel | ectospasm: makes sense, however dpkgbot told me that they also have dependencies outside "main" ? |
| 06:16.28 | oo_miguel | is this true for ALL contrib packages? |
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| 06:16.47 | ectospasm | that might actually be cleaner, though I don't know if it would generate a log of all the blackholed sites |
| 06:17.13 | netecho | well I was thinking the website could pull the URL and use a php script to log it into a MySQL DB |
| 06:17.16 | ectospasm | oo_miguel: what, contrib packages having dependencies outside of main? That follows naturally |
| 06:17.32 | netecho | I'm planning on switching my workstation over to Debian to give me an environment I can fully control and just run Windows in a VirtualBox guest for our Windows software |
| 06:17.39 | ectospasm | oo_miguel: not all contrib packages have dependencies, but you should treat it as such |
| 06:19.13 | oo_miguel | ok |
| 06:19.16 | oo_miguel | thank you ectospasm |
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| 06:19.50 | Harzilein | hi :) |
| 06:20.23 | Harzilein | is there any page that lists closed itp bugs? |
| 06:20.24 | ectospasm | the only real difference between contrib packages and main is the amount of testing undergone |
| 06:20.31 | ectospasm | afaict, anyway |
| 06:20.43 | ectospasm | Harzilein: bugs.debian.org? |
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| 06:26.23 | tehrabbitt | fucking developers |
| 06:26.31 | tehrabbitt | gahhhhh |
| 06:26.41 | tehrabbitt | sorry :| frustration |
| 06:26.51 | tehrabbitt | any way to port something from fedora over to debian :| |
| 06:26.58 | tehrabbitt | if all I have is a livecd |
| 06:27.18 | tehrabbitt | that a developer handed me, and said "here you go, it'll work" (and it doesn't work because tey're using ANCIENT fedora) |
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| 06:29.57 | netecho | whats a good paint program that is similar to MS Paint? I just need a simple easy to use image tool to make some placeholder images |
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| 06:30.22 | ectospasm | netecho: I like inkscape, but I don't begin to pretend that I know how to use it |
| 06:30.49 | ectospasm | actually, I don't know if inkscape is appropriate |
| 06:30.58 | ectospasm | ...since it's a vector drawing program |
| 06:31.01 | netecho | ah |
| 06:31.04 | netecho | probably not heh |
| 06:31.08 | Blue1 | well that leaves gimp out |
| 06:31.22 | ectospasm | the gimp can do it |
| 06:31.23 | Harzilein | tehrabbitt: uhm, not entirely sure what you are up to. you have some fedora binaries from your live cd and want to run them? some amounts of ldd + apt-file should allow for that. |
| 06:31.35 | ectospasm | but I don't know of an open source version of MS Paint |
| 06:31.36 | netecho | I find gimp a little too complicated when you're just trying to make a solid color image Xpx x Ypx with some text lol |
| 06:31.46 | ectospasm | so many utilities are supersets of that program |
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| 06:32.13 | Harzilein | some people like paint.net, but it's really about as heavyweight as gimp |
| 06:32.16 | ectospasm | netecho: maybe tuxpaint? |
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| 06:32.53 | ectospasm | I mean, the only people that use MS Paint are mostly children, or should be considered so (-; |
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| 06:33.12 | netecho | yea but it comes in handy for quick and dirty images |
| 06:33.17 | Blue1 | gpaint is pretty close to mspaint |
| 06:33.17 | netecho | tuxpaint might work nicely |
| 06:34.01 | ectospasm | netecho: or gnome-paint |
| 06:34.16 | ectospasm | or kolourpaint4 |
| 06:34.25 | netecho | cool I'll try those out |
| 06:34.27 | ectospasm | netecho: just "aptitude search paint" |
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| 06:35.49 | netecho | Fun fact it's been 3 weeks since I've touched Windows on my home system :) |
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| 06:36.56 | Blue1 | nice -- |
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| 06:37.12 | ectospasm | netecho: s/weeks/months/ |
| 06:37.14 | Blue1 | netecho: I remember doing that -- I started with Linux 7 years ago. |
| 06:37.19 | Losowski | My favorite MS Paint alternative is 'HeliosPaint', works like a charm |
| 06:37.48 | netecho | well I've been using Linux on and off for years but this is impressive for me since primarily I'm a gamer I just haven't bothered with it for a while |
| 06:38.36 | Blue1 | i never do any games much more the solitaire - bad eye hand coordin. issues |
| 06:38.46 | netecho | heh |
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| 06:40.20 | ectospasm | Blue1: yeah, I'm having that problem in the middle of Metroid Prime 2. It's not that I just need invincibility to beat this boss, I lack the arcade skill to beat it |
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| 06:43.05 | netecho | I'm just wondering how much Ram I should ideally have to run Win7 has a guest OS in virtualbox |
| 06:43.32 | ectospasm | netecho: I manage quite well with 8GB RAM on the host |
| 06:43.33 | netecho | I currently have 4GB DDR3 but I can easily upgrade that to 12GB |
| 06:43.53 | ectospasm | of course, I don't use my Win7 VM very much |
| 06:44.02 | netecho | yea I'd be using it for work stuff |
| 06:44.16 | netecho | some windows only software including MS Office 2010 |
| 06:44.36 | ectospasm | last I used it was for the SAP class I took last year |
| 06:44.41 | jagginess | the same kid who keeps talking about windows has to always keep coming back to #linux. why oh why.. |
| 06:44.55 | fredl | hello folks, I'm using cacti 0.8.7g on Squeeze. Supposedly you can copy templates to /usr/share/cacti/resource/snmp_queries/ and then import them into Cacti using 'Import Templates'. However when I click on 'Import Templates' in the Debian install I can only 1) upload a template or 2) paste the XML. Is there a way through which I can also make the /usr/share/cacti/resource/snmp_queries/ visible on the Debian install? |
| 06:44.58 | ectospasm | some like to antagonize |
| 06:45.04 | jagginess | wishes Nick Burns can have an input if he were a real person |
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| 06:45.56 | netecho | unless has OpenOffice adopted the capability to work with and utilize the features of Office 2010? I.e. the new file formats and formulas? |
| 06:46.16 | ectospasm | netecho: I recommend LibreOffice |
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| 06:46.29 | ectospasm | OpenOffice is now firmly within the Oracle fold |
| 06:46.32 | netecho | ah |
| 06:46.40 | netecho | so LibreOffice is the alternative to that? |
| 06:46.49 | ectospasm | LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice |
| 06:46.56 | netecho | ah cool |
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| 06:47.29 | ectospasm | ...all the LibreOffice devs that didn't like what Oracle was planning (and there was a TON of them), jumped ship and started LibreOffice. |
| 06:47.43 | netecho | nice |
| 06:48.06 | ectospasm | I want to say LibreOffice will be standard in Debian, but I think it's still OpenOffice 3.3 in squeeze. |
| 06:48.10 | holycow | does anyone know what is the term that describes the process of making all audio sources the same volume? |
| 06:48.20 | ectospasm | holycow: normalization? |
| 06:48.25 | holycow | thats it! |
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| 06:48.40 | netecho | is it worth running a X64 distro these days? |
| 06:48.48 | holycow | argh, been trying to google a piece of softwar ethat normalizes all sound output |
| 06:48.56 | ectospasm | netecho: you mean x86_64? Most definitely |
| 06:49.04 | holycow | internet video volumes are soo damned annoying |
| 06:49.07 | holycow | thanks ectospasm |
| 06:49.17 | ectospasm | I haven't had any 32bit vs. 64bit problems in years |
| 06:49.19 | BlitzHere | Hi, I was just wondering why the android SDK wasn't in the repos. Is there any specific legal reason for that or has it just not been done yet? |
| 06:49.36 | netecho | ok how hard is it to upgrade this install to x86_64? I accidentally installed x86 forgetting that this system is 64bit capable lol |
| 06:49.51 | ectospasm | BlitzHere: which repos are you using? if you're not using contrib or non-free, that may be the problem |
| 06:50.01 | ectospasm | also, if you're using squeeze, that may also be the problem. |
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| 06:50.50 | BlitzHere | ectoplasm: AFAIK, last time I checked, it wasn't in squeeze or wheezy. I did enable contrib and nonfree |
| 06:51.09 | BlitzHere | My home computer runs wheezy... |
| 06:51.27 | BlitzHere | Just asking as it came up on #android-root |
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| 06:51.39 | ectospasm | BlitzHere: it may be the Android SDK license prohibits distribution |
| 06:51.49 | ectospasm | ...or something like that |
| 06:52.03 | ectospasm | I honestly don't know |
| 06:53.09 | BlitzHere | Hmmm, an SDK prohibiting distribution when its freely available for anyone who wants it? Strange. It makes sense for apple to do that as devs have to pay $100 for their kit but this doesn't... oh well |
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| 06:57.09 | ectospasm | BlitzHere: the debian maintainers may not see it as a priority |
| 06:57.37 | ectospasm | BlitzHere: not to mention even sid tends to lag behind bleeding edge, especially right now. |
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| 06:59.36 | BlitzHere | ectoplasm: True. Its just that a lot of devs, rom makers and modders use Linux for their work, usually Ubuntu - and I was wondering why I just couldn't just aptitude -y install.... |
| 06:59.57 | ectospasm | I find aptitude -y to be very dangerous |
| 07:00.12 | ectospasm | ...especially since I run sid |
| 07:00.41 | BlitzHere | Aptitude -y full-upgrade is dangerous. It is okay for single packages... |
| 07:00.56 | ectospasm | I've had aptitude -y uninstall ALL X Windows programs, just when I tried to force install nvidia-glx... |
| 07:01.09 | BlitzHere | Ah, OK then |
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| 07:02.40 | ectospasm | unless you're scripting aptitude executions, I'd think the pause you get without using -y is worth it. Otherwise you might be agreeing to a conflict resolution automatically. |
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| 07:05.51 | BlitzHere | ectoplasm, well, I used -y when I first installed a working desktop from a minimal install. I just lined all the commands up, listed like 50 packages and went to sleep. Next morning I was booting into desktop. But I'll remember not to use it for regular stuff, just in case |
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| 07:09.37 | ectospasm | Blitzhere: it usually takes only a few momements to generate the package list you want to install. Afaict it's independent of the actual number of packages you want to install. Typing in 'y' after you've verified the package list is better than finding out you agreed to a conflict resolution |
| 07:09.45 | ectospasm | ...you didn't anticipate. |
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| 07:12.04 | BlitzHere | That makes sense. Its just that when I first installed debian I chained up other commands, like pushing in modified config files, running nvidia-xconfig etc. etc. |
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| 07:12.45 | ectospasm | BlitzHere: you didn't use d-i? |
| 07:14.42 | BlitzHere | Erm, d-i? I'm still quite noobish you know... |
| 07:15.31 | gry | debian installer ? |
| 07:15.47 | BlitzHere | Ah, ok |
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| 07:17.37 | gry | I'm not sure, I'm still substantially new myself; that's just a wild guess |
| 07:18.15 | BlitzHere | ectoplasm: I have an old first Gen P4. I needed it to work at a decent speed and be easy enough for my dad to use it. So, I did a minimal install and picked only the packages he'd need. |
| 07:19.59 | BlitzHere | Only thing he'll never need is probably Plymouth. Configuring that was a specially since there were no instructions for nvidia proprietary drivers, but when he first saw debian boot up, he got scared by the text... |
| 07:21.26 | BlitzHere | Also got xfce...the option to make it show generic app names made me choose that over lxde, which is much faster.... |
| 07:21.40 | ectospasm | BlitzHere, gry: d-i == debian-installer |
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| 07:22.20 | ectospasm | BlitzHere: the scary text is why you use Plymouth |
| 07:22.32 | ectospasm | ...because apparently it soothes the herd |
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| 07:23.01 | ectospasm | that being said, my grandfather got audibly pissed off every time he saw the (to him) nonsense word "Ubuntu" |
| 07:23.59 | ectospasm | I think you made the right choice with Debian... go with squeeze (or wheezy) and never update it |
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| 07:24.22 | BlitzHere | I tried convincing my dad that it didn't matter and that the desktop would be easy...his initial reaction to that was to ask me if I couldn't do the same thing I was doing with debian and make windows run fast :P |
| 07:24.38 | doomster | Debian as a word makes as much sense to me as Ubuntu... |
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| 07:25.09 | ectospasm | doomster: yep |
| 07:25.22 | ectospasm | best not to let the user know what they've got |
| 07:25.39 | doomster | only if you can't teach them. |
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| 07:27.39 | BlitzHere | ectoplasm: I went with wheezy as the proprietary nvidia drivers, the 173.14 legacy ones are broken in squeeze for my card. Besides, wheezy was frozen by the time I was installing it...no point choosing squeeze at that point. I configured sources.list to point to wheezy rather than testing so that the computer will stay on wheezy. Only thing I forgot to do is add repos for back ports... |
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| 07:28.45 | ectospasm | BlitzHere: afaik backports don't exist for wheezy yet |
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| 07:30.11 | BlitzHere | I know, but I wanted to just add the standard address in anyway...make it easy for the next person |
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| 07:31.25 | BlitzHere | ectoplasm: aptitude update will give errors for those but at least that avoids trying to explain to the next guy what to do.... |
| 07:32.21 | BlitzHere | Its easy to tell someone to run aptitude safe-upgrade. Much harder to explain sources.list |
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| 07:33.11 | BlitzHere | Anyway, thanks ectoplasm. I've got to get going now... |
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| 07:43.10 | gasull | Hi. I'm trying to get hibernation to work. I'm following the steps at http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt. All the pm_tests work for reboot and platform modes. But now I don't understand what I'm supposed to do at line 146 http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt#146 |
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| 08:33.52 | frold | Is there a specific debian server channel or is this the room? |
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| 08:34.17 | mahdy | hi |
| 08:34.22 | mahdy | how can i connect to a remote mysql server from any client with a random ip ? |
| 08:34.36 | mahdy | i trying : mysql> GRANT ALL ON *.* to root@'0.0.0.0' IDENTIFIED BY 'your-root-password' |
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| 08:34.41 | mahdy | but wont work |
| 08:35.29 | sauvin | mahdy, #mysql has over five hundred people in it. |
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| 08:51.59 | mohsen_ | hello world |
| 08:52.51 | mohsen_ | i've a question in debian-live |
| 08:53.47 | mohsen_ | how can i use it without download packages |
| 08:53.50 | mohsen_ | ??! |
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| 08:55.26 | Dewi | mohsen_: you can't do much without downloading packages, or choosing a version with the software you want preinstalled |
| 08:55.51 | Dewi | "standard" has very little; "rescue" has rescue tools, etc |
| 08:56.15 | mohsen_ | thank you |
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| 08:59.23 | Dewi | mohsen_: you can also build your own custom livecd |
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| 09:00.44 | raptor67782 | can a regular user do fdisk -l? there is nothing secret there no? |
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| 09:02.09 | ectospasm | raptor67782: fdisk is usually in /sbin, which won't normally be in a normal user's path. try the full path /sbin/fdisk -l |
| 09:02.41 | raptor67782 | thanks |
| 09:02.45 | raptor67782 | pretty cool it works |
| 09:03.36 | ectospasm | doesn't work for me, but my primary HDD is only readable by root and disk group, and my user isn't in the disk group |
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| 09:04.07 | mahdy | sauvin: i cant send to this channel |
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| 09:05.28 | blubberdiblub | regular users shouldn't be put into the disk group, anyway (unless they're really trusted). since users in the disk group can write to the disks directly |
| 09:05.59 | bocaneri | mahdy, you have to identify to nickserv to speak in #mysql. |
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| 09:06.15 | mahdy | bocaneri: thnx |
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| 09:08.07 | _strog | Hi, I have a problem with apt-get update, i get the following message as a result. can someone help? Reading package lists... Done |
| 09:08.07 | _strog | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates/contrib i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 09:08.07 | _strog | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 09:10.18 | jelly-home | _strog: look at the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ if any, to find the reason for the W:arning |
| 09:12.05 | _strog | jelly-home: sources.list.d/ is empty |
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| 09:29.21 | SubjectOne | hello, is there a ways to relocate the stand. paths (i want Images, Videos and Downloads folder stand. set under Documents ) ? is this possible under debian ( under ubuntu there's a tool ) but haven't found this for debian ? anybody who can help me ? |
| 09:30.44 | ectospasm | SubjectOne: uhh, mv doesn't work for you? |
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| 09:30.58 | ectospasm | or you mean in GNOME, et. al? |
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| 09:31.43 | ectospasm | for instance I renamed Downloads to downloads, and created a symlink from Downloads -> downloads |
| 09:32.00 | ectospasm | Oh, and I delete the Documents folder post haste |
| 09:33.24 | SubjectOne | no, debian recreates the folders |
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| 09:33.30 | SubjectOne | verry strange |
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| 09:35.50 | ectospasm | SubjectOne: debian does no such thing |
| 09:35.54 | ectospasm | ...GNOME might |
| 09:36.00 | SubjectOne | ah |
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| 09:36.18 | SubjectOne | i'll check the gnome chan than |
| 09:36.30 | ectospasm | SubjectOne: if you move them where you want, and make symlinks in the original home directory, that should satisfy it |
| 09:36.39 | ectospasm | it's not an elegant solution |
| 09:36.47 | ectospasm | the proper way to do it is in the GNOME configs |
| 09:36.53 | SubjectOne | k i'll try to that |
| 09:37.00 | ectospasm | ...but dconf is a pain to deal with |
| 09:37.29 | SubjectOne | just started with debian, after 5years with ubuntu ( i wan't to grow in linux ) |
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| 09:40.35 | ectospasm | SubjectOne: well, like you said, you had to use an Ubuntu/GNOME tool to do it |
| 09:40.59 | ectospasm | ...it probably updated the dconf/gconf database for you |
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| 09:41.16 | ectospasm | good luck searching the dconf database with dconf-editor |
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| 09:41.55 | equex | if i were to try to build my own customized debian (or any linux), i understand it that you need to compile drivers against the kernel of your choise, and that you then activate these drivers with modprobe later, unless they are on the module load list, right ? i guess my question is how the load list is initially created. does the distro builder just compile and activate what he thinks should |
| 09:41.55 | equex | be there, or is there a boot script that probes the hardware modules that are compiled in to see if anything answers and then put them on the list ? |
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| 09:44.10 | tremon | ectospasm: gsettings list-recursively |
| 09:44.44 | ectospasm | tremon: thanks, I never bothered to look that up. |
| 09:46.39 | tremon | equex: first, get your terminology right. Are you attempting to create a derivative distribution or do you want to build a custom kernel? |
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| 09:48.37 | tremon | is there a common way to have cron kill jobs if they run too long? |
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| 09:53.34 | g00se | Why are the contents of package grub2 so scarce? There looks to be about one script in terms of executables |
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| 09:54.56 | blubberdiblub | g00se, grub-pc is probably the package you want (or the efi variety, depending on your circumstances) |
| 09:55.05 | dsirijus | heya, i have built a binary tarball from source of a particular package... where do i move it, what permissions to do on it, and what symlinks do i need to create? is there any standard practice for that? |
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| 09:55.21 | dsirijus | btw, i can read the man, if there's anything anywhere that explains the process, please, do link me |
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| 09:57.14 | g00se | blubberdiblub: Well i'm just going to try to create a fat32-booting usb stick. afaik grub2 is necessary for that |
| 09:57.22 | equex | tremon: not necesarily a custom kernel if i can avoid it. what i want to do is to take something that works and expand on hardware detection. basically i want to strip out packages i dont like and instead put in drivers for the most obscure stuff you can think of and have it fit on a cd. if i could just take a prebuilt kernel and dynamically deal with modules (thats what dkms is for, right?) |
| 09:57.22 | equex | then that would be the best. but i guess i might end up wanting to include modules that was never compiled agains the kernel i chose. (i'm not going so far as to try to 'fix' drives that are not known to work with my kernel!). |
| 09:57.49 | g00se | blubberdiblub: grub-pc is also 'grub1' is it not? |
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| 09:58.42 | tremon | g00se: no |
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| 10:00.24 | equex | (i've had some success building dsl and arch so i'm not *completely* lost :) |
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| 10:01.13 | tremon | equex: still not clear what you want to do, but debian's kernel already contains almost all drivers. iirc, the autodetection is driven by modules.alias mostly |
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| 10:01.49 | tremon | dkms is only for modules that cannot be distributed in binary form (mostly proprietary modules), have no experience with it |
| 10:04.34 | g00se | tremon: so grub-pc's presence on my machine tells me that Grub 2 is already installed? |
| 10:05.09 | equex | tremon thanks, that might be a good starting point. module-assistant seems what i want. |
| 10:05.55 | tremon | g00se: yes |
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| 10:06.34 | blubberdiblub | g00se, if you're running squeeze or newer and the package is updated, then yes |
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| 10:08.42 | tremon | g00se: it is possible that the mbr still contains the grub-legacy bootloader, if /grub/menu.lst still exists that should work fine (very unlikely though) |
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| 10:09.52 | equex | ./drivers/i2c/algos/i2c-algo-bit - I2C-Bus bit-banging algorithm <-- bang that bit :D |
| 10:10.48 | ChrisW | hi, I'm running bind9 on my debian box, it's failing to resolve some domains but I don't know why |
| 10:10.51 | ChrisW | where does it log? |
| 10:11.10 | g00se | That makes sense but it seems odd that the package actually called 'grub2' is NOT installed |
| 10:11.20 | jmd | Can someone suggest how I can ensure that the keymap matches the keyboard? |
| 10:11.27 | format_c | Mhh. reportbug application seem to be quite buggy itself. It's crashing all the time.... :-/ |
| 10:11.57 | jelly-home | ChrisW: grep named /var/log/daemon.log |
| 10:12.02 | tremon | g00se: grub2 is a dummy package |
| 10:12.30 | g00se | tremon: ah OK. Thanks |
| 10:13.09 | tremon | !tell jmd about keymap |
| 10:14.13 | tremon | ok, to answer my own earlier question: /usr/bin/timeout . duh |
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| 10:15.33 | jmd | tremon: Yes, I've done that (several times) the problem is, it seems to follow the user's last choice, rather than what the keyboard actually is. |
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| 10:16.20 | tremon | jmd: the pc has no way to identify what keyboard is connected |
| 10:17.01 | jmd | No. But I'd be happy with maintaining that myself. But there doesn't seem to be a way to do it. |
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| 10:17.15 | jmd | Or maybe I just haven't worked out how. |
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| 10:19.56 | tremon | jmd: if you have a manageable set of keyboards, some udev magic based on usb id could work. but in general, the difference between keyboard layouts is only the labels on the keys -- so a generic solution will probably involve a webcam and some image analysis |
| 10:19.56 | g00se | Thanks guys |
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| 10:21.01 | jmd | tremon: Isn't it possible for me just to say Machine A has keyboard X, Machine B has keyboard Y ... etc. ? |
| 10:21.52 | ChrisW | jelly-home: thanks :-) |
| 10:21.57 | ChrisW | what's EDNS? |
| 10:22.30 | tremon | jmd: that's exactly what dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration is supposed to do. What did you mean when you said "I've done that (several times)" |
| 10:22.41 | tremon | ? |
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| 10:23.22 | jmd | Whenever I do it, it seems to work fine. But then, as soon as I login to a machine which has a different |
| 10:23.38 | jmd | keyboard it has assumed the keymappings which I last set. |
| 10:24.03 | tremon | ChrisW: www.duckduckgo.com?q=!wiki+edns |
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| 10:24.53 | tremon | jmd: what's "it"? |
| 10:25.15 | jmd | dpkg-reconfigure keyboad-configuration |
| 10:25.25 | jmd | and/or setxkbd |
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| 10:25.52 | tremon | ok. so you have shared home-dirs? |
| 10:26.20 | tremon | as in, your home directory is shared across multiple machines? |
| 10:26.31 | jmd | yes. |
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| 10:27.52 | tremon | which DE? my guess is that your desktop environment hardcodes the system keyboard config somewhere in your home dir. Do tty1-6 behave as expected? |
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| 10:28.20 | frold | Hey I did change to a new server debian 6 from debian 5. When I did go to my new server I have a problem with phpmail/sendmail, my new server will not send out mails... how to see if these functions is alive? The path didnt change from Debian 5 to 6? At my script the path is set to: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 10:28.48 | jmd | I'm not sure about the ttys. I'll have to check. |
| 10:29.00 | ChrisW | tremon: already done, turned it off as it look like my draytek router might not like the big packets :_S |
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| 10:31.30 | jelly-home | frold: you can test /usr/sbin/sendmail by sending a mail manually: "echo test | mailx -s 'test subject' recipient@example.org", then examine the MTA logs at /var/log/mail.log |
| 10:31.45 | jelly-home | frold: if you don't have mailx, install bsd-mailx package |
| 10:32.14 | frold | should I test sendmail as a root or as a users, jelly-home ? |
| 10:32.24 | jelly-home | frold: both, ideally |
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| 10:35.42 | frold | jelly-home: the msg I get when I try to install: http://pastebin.com/VHSdqpbA |
| 10:37.09 | frold | seems like it is installed :S |
| 10:37.11 | frold | :) |
| 10:37.58 | frold | jelly-home: both a user and root I can send msg - they come to my inbox |
| 10:38.25 | jelly-home | frold: that means your MTA works. Fix your app. |
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| 10:39.27 | frold | jelly-home: how to find the mail log for a user, the user that runs the script... |
| 10:39.48 | jelly-home | no such thing, I'm afraid |
| 10:40.24 | jelly-home | if you don't see it in mail.log, it has not been successfully submitted at all |
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| 11:02.39 | Dwarf | Morning |
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| 11:03.13 | Dwarf | Could anyone assist me with my nvidia driver install? X tells me that it cannot load the nvidia module |
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| 11:07.07 | gnarface | !nvidia |
| 11:07.08 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 11:07.56 | Dwarf | I have followed those instructions, with no success |
| 11:08.26 | gnarface | are you on squeeze? |
| 11:08.34 | Dwarf | Wheezy |
| 11:08.49 | Dwarf | Oh, other channel |
| 11:09.00 | gnarface | note topic in other channel |
| 11:09.04 | Dwarf | Another network? |
| 11:09.06 | Dwarf | Ohboy |
| 11:09.10 | gnarface | yea OFTC |
| 11:09.26 | gnarface | proprietary nvidia drivers are broke |
| 11:09.35 | jelly-home | since when? |
| 11:09.59 | boudiccas | i have a bunch of .rar files that i'm unable to extract using squeeze,ark,xarchiver or any other extraction program. the only thing that i can think of is that they have non-linux characters in their titles, e.g /home/boztu/downloads/Nelson%20DeMille%20-%20Death%20Benefits%28epub%29.rar .. the %. How can i remove them at the cli please? |
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| 11:10.36 | jelly-home | boudiccas: have you tried... unrar? |
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| 11:11.05 | boudiccas | jelly-home: i've tried everything, unrar, p7zip, all sorts and all fail |
| 11:11.15 | jelly-home | how does unrar fail? |
| 11:11.25 | boudiccas | jelly-home: wait 3 |
| 11:11.36 | nsadmin | boudiccas, howbout rar |
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| 11:12.05 | jelly-home | boudiccas: no, I go do the dishes, you highlight after pastebinning |
| 11:12.13 | gnarface | there is a free rar and a non-free rar. most the rars you download from public forums are made with priated copies of the the non-free one |
| 11:12.20 | jelly-home | waits for noone |
| 11:12.53 | nsadmin | noone will be in 8 hrs |
| 11:12.55 | gnarface | they don't write in a compatible format |
| 11:12.57 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, try convmv for correcting charset problems in filenames |
| 11:12.57 | jelly-home | nsadmin: the problem with rar is it's shareware, requires registration after some time |
| 11:13.37 | nsadmin | that wouldn't be a problem for doing one unrar and then possib;y uninstalling the thing |
| 11:13.38 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, but the % shouldn't pose a problem anyway |
| 11:13.52 | boudiccas | jelly-home: http://dpaste.com/791692/ |
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| 11:14.28 | nsadmin | waits for noone while sleeping :) |
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| 11:15.12 | Dwarf | boudiccas: http://wobzip.org/ |
| 11:15.13 | boudiccas | gnarface: i've installed both debian versions of rar, still unable to extract it |
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| 11:15.41 | jelly-home | boudiccas: that's a different filename, same issue? |
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| 11:16.44 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, --extract? what unrar is that? mine takes "x" (without dash) for extracting |
| 11:17.00 | boudiccas | jelly-home: yes, exactly the same problem |
| 11:17.23 | Dwarf | Have you tried http://wobzip.org/ yet? |
| 11:17.38 | boudiccas | Dwarf: trying it atm |
| 11:18.00 | Dwarf | Alright, it works for me, most of the time |
| 11:18.11 | jelly-home | boudiccas: does unrar t /home/boztu/downloads/Alafair%2520Burke%2520-%2520%255bEllie%2520Hatcher%252004%255d%2520-%2520Never%2520Tell%255bepub%255d.rar work? |
| 11:18.30 | jelly-home | (list the archive contents) |
| 11:18.38 | blubberdiblub | test, even |
| 11:18.46 | jelly-home | nope, just list |
| 11:19.03 | blubberdiblub | nope, t is for testing |
| 11:19.08 | blubberdiblub | that's not tar |
| 11:19.17 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: unrar-free manual says list. |
| 11:19.28 | blubberdiblub | oh, okay, then maybe i got the other version |
| 11:19.32 | jelly-home | works too fast to test |
| 11:19.42 | boudiccas | Dwarf: thanks, that did it |
| 11:20.58 | Dwarf | How do I uninstall with m-a? |
| 11:22.42 | boudiccas | jelly-home: http://dpaste.com/791698/ failing in the same way again. but thanks, i'll use Dwarfs wobzip site |
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| 11:24.21 | abrotman | Dwarf: did you look at the man page? |
| 11:24.26 | blubberdiblub | that's a really strange unrar you're using there, boudiccas. both the one jelly-home is using and the one i am using have different parameter syntax |
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| 11:24.53 | gnarface | trojan horse unrar |
| 11:24.59 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: unrar-free shows -x, --extract Extract files from archive (default), but the classic syntax works as well |
| 11:25.48 | blubberdiblub | jelly-home, well, the output from boudiccas' "t" run shows that it didn't take the "t" syntax |
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| 11:27.04 | boudiccas | blubberdiblub: unrar 0.0.1 on wheezy |
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| 11:28.08 | jelly-home | ,v unrar |
| 11:28.09 | judd | Package: unrar on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:3.8.2-1; squeeze/non-free: 1:3.9.10-1; sid/non-free: 1:4.1.4-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:4.1.4-1 |
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| 11:28.13 | jelly-home | ,v unrar-free |
| 11:28.14 | judd | Package: unrar-free on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1; squeeze: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-1; sid: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-2; wheezy: 1:0.0.1+cvs20071127-2 |
| 11:29.01 | blubberdiblub | i'm using the 4.1.4 version from non-free here |
| 11:30.11 | boudiccas | thats the one i'm missing, unrar-non-free. so lets find a source for wheezy for it |
| 11:30.52 | jelly-home | it's not the filename, I just renamed a file and tried unrar t /home/jelly/Download/Alafair%2520Burke%2520-%2520%255bEllie%2520Hatcher%252004%255d%2520-%2520Never%2520Tell%255bepub%255d.rar and it worked |
| 11:31.46 | blubberdiblub | yeah, % chars are usually fine. and especially files downloaded directly usually don't have chars in the filename that cause problems |
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| 11:35.26 | ganjamaster | hi |
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| 11:36.08 | ganjamaster | if i have an encrypted partition ( / ) , can i then resize it? also , is it possible to change the password ? |
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| 11:36.42 | SiDz | encrypted with? |
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| 11:36.59 | SiDz | i use truecrypt |
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| 11:37.50 | ganjamaster | SiDz: via os installation. |
| 11:38.02 | abrotman | which OS? which kind of encryption? |
| 11:38.15 | ganjamaster | i dont use truacrypt, partition is linux root partition (system partition) |
| 11:38.25 | ganjamaster | *truecrypt |
| 11:38.47 | abrotman | which OS? which kind of encryption? |
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| 11:39.13 | ganjamaster | abrotman: i'm running on that machine now, how can i know it? is there something i have to look for in the /boot directory? |
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| 11:39.39 | abrotman | ganjamaster: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 11:39.59 | ganjamaster | if i use a live cd/usb will i be able to resize it? |
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| 11:40.09 | ganjamaster | uname -r : 3.5.2-3.fc17.x86_64 |
| 11:40.30 | abrotman | ganjamaster: why are you asking #debian about that system? It's clearly not a Debian box |
| 11:40.43 | abrotman | ganjamaster: please use #fedora or ##linux |
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| 11:41.59 | ganjamaster | abrotman: 'cause this is the only channel i know about. ( #fedora require freenode registration) . Also debian (atm) doesnt work on my notebook, i'm trying other os to understand if it's an hardware problem or not |
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| 11:42.14 | Dwarf | How do I set xfce as my default desktop environment? |
| 11:42.20 | abrotman | so register with nickserv, or use ##linux |
| 11:42.35 | ganjamaster | (hardware problem = defective mobo) |
| 11:43.00 | gry | Dwarf: what dm are you using? |
| 11:43.07 | Dwarf | gdm3 |
| 11:43.08 | abrotman | ganjamaster: please use ##linux |
| 11:43.25 | abrotman | Dwarf: you can set it in your /etc/alternatives/ or your ~/.xsession |
| 11:43.27 | ganjamaster | abrotman: ok, but do you know if that is even possible, generally speaking? (resize and/or change password) |
| 11:43.37 | Dwarf | Alright, thanks |
| 11:43.46 | abrotman | ganjamaster: please use ##linux |
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| 11:44.03 | Dwarf | Which choice of update-alternatives do I choose? |
| 11:44.04 | abrotman | ganjamaster: and you're going to need to give them far more detail than you gave to us |
| 11:44.15 | abrotman | Dwarf: look through them, which makes sense? |
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| 11:44.57 | ganjamaster | abrotman: ok, let say it was a debian / partition, encrypted. is it possible to resize it ? and to change its password? |
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| 11:45.10 | abrotman | ganjamaster: this channel does not support Fedora, please go to ##linux |
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| 11:45.23 | tremon | Dwarf: ls -1 /etc/alternatives/x* |
| 11:45.24 | Dwarf | x-session-manager it is |
| 11:45.27 | abrotman | no |
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| 11:45.32 | boudiccas | i've added this line to my wheezy sources.list .. deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy non-free .. done an apt-get update, and then apt-get install unrar-non-0free but its coming back ssaying that it cant find it! is the sources.list line then wrong please, and if, what should it be? |
| 11:45.46 | Dwarf | "For GDM/KDM choose xfce4-session." |
| 11:45.53 | Dwarf | Lowest priortity, strange |
| 11:45.54 | abrotman | boudiccas: did you update first? |
| 11:45.54 | Dwarf | Oh well |
| 11:45.56 | abrotman | oh whoops |
| 11:46.16 | boudiccas | unrar-non-fre |
| 11:46.16 | Dwarf | I should set x-window manager too? |
| 11:47.07 | jelly-home | boudiccas: that package name is just "unrar", as shown above by judd |
| 11:47.29 | boudiccas | jelly-home: k, thanks |
| 11:47.47 | tremon | Dwarf: I'm not sure which is the correct one, but x-window-manager is what is set on my system (wheezy) |
| 11:48.19 | Dwarf | I can choose between metacity andatche xfwm4 |
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| 11:48.33 | Dwarf | Seen that I will not touch gnome3, xfwm4 it is |
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| 11:50.48 | GuidoLamacchina | hi |
| 11:51.14 | GuidoLamacchina | i'd like to install debian squeeze and i'd like to encrypt the root partition. (*non* LVM) |
| 11:51.37 | GuidoLamacchina | If i do that, will i be able in the future to resize it after the installation? |
| 11:51.58 | GuidoLamacchina | And if i'll need to change the password will it be possible to change it or will i need to entirely delete that partition (aka *reinstall* debian) ? |
| 11:52.02 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 11:52.23 | gry | that sounds funny |
| 11:52.24 | GuidoLamacchina | why? it's not possible? |
| 11:52.42 | abrotman | is not amused |
| 11:52.47 | GuidoLamacchina | do i need to delete it each time i want to resize or change the password? |
| 11:53.08 | abrotman | GuidoLamacchina: didn't i just ban you? |
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| 11:53.14 | frostschutz | GuidoLamacchina: cryptsetup/LUKS can deal with size and password changes |
| 11:53.43 | GuidoLamacchina | gry: not funny, i could use debian live to do that things, maybe |
| 11:53.46 | boudiccas | jelly-home: thanks, thats what i was missing and i can extract the rar files with no problem |
| 11:54.27 | GuidoLamacchina | frostschutz: but do i need to use a live cd or can i do that on that system? (i'll use LUKS) |
| 11:54.37 | abrotman | GuidoLamacchina: what is the system currently running? |
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| 11:55.22 | jelly-home | could be some _other_ italian dude with lvm problems! |
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| 11:55.28 | abrotman | right ... |
| 11:55.38 | tremon | italians only come here for the warez... |
| 11:55.44 | GuidoLamacchina | abrotman: windows. but, as i 've just said. i'm going to install debian. I only have the doub about resize/passw-change |
| 11:56.09 | jelly-home | sorry, non-lvm problems |
| 11:56.12 | tremon | GuidoLamacchina: non-luks can't handle password changes |
| 11:56.15 | abrotman | GuidoLamacchina: so try it |
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| 11:56.26 | GuidoLamacchina | jelly-home: lvm is *bad*, btw |
| 11:56.27 | abrotman | GuidoLamacchina: if you have no data, very easy to test .. good luck |
| 11:56.34 | frostschutz | GuidoLamacchina: you don't need a live cd for a password change. resize depends on your setup, might work or might not work |
| 11:56.37 | jelly-home | GuidoLamacchina: I'm loving it |
| 11:56.54 | abrotman | GuidoLamacchina: get the installer and try it .. let us know how it works |
| 11:57.12 | GuidoLamacchina | frostschutz: thanks |
| 11:57.36 | frostschutz | lvm is great |
| 11:57.38 | GuidoLamacchina | tremon: lol |
| 11:58.00 | GuidoLamacchina | tremon: do you even know what that word means ? o.O |
| 11:58.07 | GuidoLamacchina | btw thanks @ * |
| 11:58.12 | GuidoLamacchina | bye :D |
| 11:59.12 | GuidoLamacchina | frostschutz: lvm = "you 've lost *one* partition ---> you 've lost the whole volume" |
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| 12:00.13 | tremon | wonders how one can lose *one* partition |
| 12:00.22 | jelly-home | shenanigans |
| 12:00.32 | abrotman | tremon: lots of people in here make wild claims .. some of them even pretend to 'help' people |
| 12:00.38 | frostschutz | hope he never loses the luks superblock :D |
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| 12:01.12 | jelly-home | that's why te first thing cryptsetup docs tell you to do is make a backup thereof |
| 12:01.43 | jelly-home | you haven't read official docs? Don't come crying |
| 12:02.14 | coin3d | hi there. i'm using debian wheezy, including xen and libvirt. i have the problem that libvirt starts _before_ xend has started - i have to restart libvirt manually at the prompt to get it working correctly |
| 12:02.35 | jelly-home | (distros _could_ make it easier for you and eg. dump the backup onto unencrypted /boot, though) |
| 12:02.38 | coin3d | can i change the order manually? |
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| 12:03.35 | tremon | coin3d: copy the libvirt startup script to /etc/insserv/overrides, remove everything except the lsb header, edit the dependencies |
| 12:03.35 | jelly-home | coin3d: you could add xend to the dependency list of libvirt? |
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| 12:05.19 | coin3d | tremon: thanks, ill try that out |
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| 12:07.28 | jmd | I've just bought a new DSL modem and am having trouble getting it working. How can I tell if it's faulty or if I'm just using it wrong? |
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| 12:08.04 | abrotman | call the ISP and ask them? |
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| 12:11.28 | xgl | hi all |
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| 12:22.42 | fleetfox | hey guys is this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s06.html.en up to date? |
| 12:24.04 | abrotman | for stable, should be .. why? |
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| 12:24.37 | milo64 | why am i not recieving any updates on update manager of squeeze? |
| 12:24.38 | fleetfox | for testing |
| 12:24.58 | abrotman | fleetfox: it says 'stable' .. but why do you ask about that info ? |
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| 12:25.24 | fleetfox | i have a hardware issue, need to patch the kernel :( |
| 12:25.36 | abrotman | fleetfox: what about using a kernel from backports.debian.org ? |
| 12:25.41 | beakov | anyone here use debian sid? |
| 12:25.50 | abrotman | beakov: ask a real question |
| 12:25.53 | abrotman | polls suck |
| 12:26.02 | beakov | :( |
| 12:26.05 | fleetfox | abrotman: no. this https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14733 |
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| 12:26.55 | abrotman | fleetfox: jeez that's an old bug |
| 12:27.03 | beakov | how do I transform my ubuntu installation to debian sid? |
| 12:27.09 | fleetfox | it's still there |
| 12:27.12 | abrotman | beakov: you reinstall |
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| 12:27.42 | beakov | I thought it was as simple as a dist-upgrade |
| 12:27.51 | abrotman | no |
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| 12:28.27 | fleetfox | so can i fallow that guide, or should i look for something else |
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| 12:28.30 | BoozeWooz | hi! |
| 12:28.35 | jelly-home | beakov: can't do that, they're too different |
| 12:28.35 | abrotman | fleetfox: should be reasonable |
| 12:28.56 | beakov | http://askubuntu.com/questions/116257/adding-debian-sid-as-package-repository seems a bad idea too. I will reinstall then ^^ |
| 12:28.58 | fleetfox | ok. thanks for the input |
| 12:29.09 | abrotman | beakov: you realize things in sid break, right ? |
| 12:29.44 | beakov | I thought sid doesn't really deserve the 'unstable' name since it uses the latest stable releases (just like archlinux). |
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| 12:30.03 | tremon | beakov: it's theoretically possible, but not recommended. things may break to the point where you need to reinstall anyway |
| 12:30.22 | abrotman | beakov: that doesn't mean things work well together, or that upstream hasn't made a coding error, or the DD hasn't messed up their stuff |
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| 12:30.43 | beakov | right |
| 12:30.48 | BoozeWooz | hey! i would like to install debian on an odroid-x device (arm). would i be able to install all software? |
| 12:30.51 | tremon | and even if the dist-upgrade succeeds, you will have leftover ubuntu configs/apps that may break your debian later on |
| 12:31.08 | abrotman | BoozeWooz: what do you mean by 'all' ? |
| 12:31.16 | abrotman | tremon: he shouldn't dist-upgrade .. end of story |
| 12:31.19 | BoozeWooz | abiword, notepads etc |
| 12:31.36 | abrotman | BoozeWooz: i'd imagine so .. packages.debian.org would tell you more |
| 12:31.36 | BoozeWooz | or is there only a very limited set of software that has been ported? |
| 12:31.42 | BoozeWooz | oki thanks! |
| 12:31.52 | jelly-home | BoozeWooz: ported to what exactly? |
| 12:31.58 | BoozeWooz | ARM |
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| 12:32.23 | BoozeWooz | its not x86 |
| 12:32.24 | abrotman | BoozeWooz: you have to make sure the debian arm ports actually work on your hardware |
| 12:32.24 | jelly-home | BoozeWooz: debian has two arm architectures/builds. Does your device have armhf or armel compatibility? |
| 12:32.32 | BoozeWooz | hmm lets see |
| 12:33.39 | BoozeWooz | i think armhf |
| 12:34.11 | jelly-home | you'll want to install debian testing (wheezy) then |
| 12:34.13 | jelly-home | !armhf |
| 12:34.13 | dpkg | armhf is a port of Debian requiring a floating-point unit (FPU) found in modern <ARM> hardware. It explicitly targets version 7 of the ARM architecture, using the hard-float version of the ARM EABI. armhf is a release architecture for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:34.35 | BoozeWooz | but this is an unstable build |
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| 12:35.01 | jelly-home | BoozeWooz: indeed |
| 12:35.15 | BoozeWooz | so its not for regular day, desktop usage? |
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| 12:35.56 | jelly-home | I'm not sure you're going to get a usable desktop with 1GB RAM in any case |
| 12:36.18 | BoozeWooz | i used athlonxp 2000+ for more than 5 year |
| 12:36.19 | BoozeWooz | and it had only 512 ^^ |
| 12:36.48 | jelly-home | then this might work if you get Mali graphics to work _at all_ |
| 12:37.06 | BoozeWooz | they dont work? |
| 12:38.05 | jelly-home | BoozeWooz: you're using an embedded device platform. Expect nothing to work out of the box. |
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| 12:38.39 | BoozeWooz | hmm yes i guess you are right |
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| 12:41.21 | BoozeWooz | is there somekind of "software center" available in debian? |
| 12:42.39 | boudiccas | BoozeWooz: yes |
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| 12:44.23 | jelly-home | BoozeWooz: eg. the hoops to jump through to get just a 2d xorg driver on a similar arm platform: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/Compile_X11_driver_for_A10/ |
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| 12:46.28 | BoozeWooz | this*could* be bad |
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| 12:47.54 | q_ | anyone using nginx ? I just installed it and keep on getting #0: *8 rewrite or internal redirection cycle while internally redirecting to "/index.html", client: 127.0.0.1, server: _, request: "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1", host: "localhost" |
| 12:48.30 | milo64 | beardy, hi |
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| 12:49.37 | BoozeWooz | more questions:P |
| 12:49.46 | BoozeWooz | anyone uses lxdm? gdm? |
| 12:50.02 | abrotman | BoozeWooz: lots of people . |
| 12:50.35 | BoozeWooz | kk. im used to use LXDM with the entire lxdesktop. HOWEVER it quite buggy to me. and doesnt have this "loading cursor" for example |
| 12:50.51 | BoozeWooz | so i've been using gdm with lxpanels, and its quite nice now. are there any objections against dong this? |
| 12:51.11 | abrotman | i use gdm3 with lxde, works fine for me |
| 12:51.40 | abrotman | BoozeWooz: are you sure you mean gdm? gdm is a display manager, not a window manager or desktop environment |
| 12:51.45 | BoozeWooz | i'm mainly concerned with ram consumption too. i've seen slitaz, using just 36mb ram.. its so good |
| 12:51.59 | BoozeWooz | hmm |
| 12:52.14 | BoozeWooz | i do in console (ctrl+alt+fx) |
| 12:52.18 | BoozeWooz | sudo service lxdm stop |
| 12:52.24 | BoozeWooz | sudo service gdm start |
| 12:52.38 | BoozeWooz | then i can login, and i do lxpanels& in some terminal |
| 12:52.50 | BoozeWooz | and i have lxpanels , with gdm, and i have like, this cursor aswel |
| 12:52.52 | BoozeWooz | works quite ok |
| 12:52.56 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 12:52.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:53.08 | BoozeWooz | ok soz |
| 12:54.11 | abrotman | what's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 12:54.29 | BoozeWooz | /usr/sbin/lxdm |
| 12:54.37 | abrotman | if you want it to be gdm, change that |
| 12:54.39 | BoozeWooz | hmm yes then i can replace this with gdm? |
| 12:54.43 | BoozeWooz | ooo niice much better yes |
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| 12:55.30 | q_ | anyone can point me to server admin irc channel ? |
| 12:55.49 | abrotman | q_: this is one |
| 12:55.52 | BoozeWooz | #admin ? :D |
| 12:55.57 | abrotman | for Debian systems anyway |
| 12:56.03 | q_ | well ok :) |
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| 12:56.13 | q_ | anyone could give me hint about nginx ? |
| 12:56.21 | abrotman | q_: it sounds like you need ti read nginx docs .. or maybe ask #nginx |
| 12:56.33 | q_ | ok thx |
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| 12:56.42 | abrotman | i'd suggest reading the docs |
| 12:57.19 | BoozeWooz | hmm my sd card is quite slow.. i heard you put /boot on there, but boot the rest of the O/S from another medium? how can this be? |
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| 12:57.42 | abrotman | BoozeWooz: depends on your device and what other storage options you have availalbe |
| 12:58.00 | BoozeWooz | usb2 to sata. i can put a hardisk inside of there |
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| 13:08.42 | BoozeWooz | oo nice i found it :) raspberry stuff explains it quite well |
| 13:08.49 | knyn | Hi, anyone know any light games that I can play and host on Debian? |
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| 13:08.49 | knyn | I don't mind what type of game. |
| 13:08.58 | BoozeWooz | o_O ? light games |
| 13:09.05 | BoozeWooz | like chess? |
| 13:09.17 | BoozeWooz | sudoku? |
| 13:09.39 | knyn | No |
| 13:09.41 | knyn | Good games. :P |
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| 13:09.45 | BoozeWooz | openarena! |
| 13:09.58 | knyn | Like 2D shooters/RPGS |
| 13:10.08 | BoozeWooz | theres many tux games |
| 13:10.23 | BoozeWooz | tuxracer etc |
| 13:10.33 | BoozeWooz | BUT if you want you can like |
| 13:10.42 | BoozeWooz | put wine;) and run wintendo games |
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| 13:11.37 | BoozeWooz | is that good enough o_O? |
| 13:12.02 | knyn | BoozeWooz: Can I play multiplayer on tuxracer? |
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| 13:15.52 | BoozeWooz | not sure :D i never played tux |
| 13:16.00 | BoozeWooz | but openarena is multiplayer |
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| 13:16.47 | wjtaylor | Can't compile kernel module from debian repos. http://pastebin.com/q3svjBJj |
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| 13:18.08 | BoozeWooz | hmpff. anyone knows good steven seagal movies i should watch? |
| 13:18.11 | abrotman | wjtaylor: you're doing iwt wrong |
| 13:18.14 | abrotman | BoozeWooz: try #debian-offtopic |
| 13:18.21 | BoozeWooz | ko |
| 13:18.43 | wjtaylor | ok |
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| 13:19.20 | abrotman | wjtaylor: so the driver the kernel had was too old, or didn't exist? |
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| 13:21.24 | abrotman | wjtaylor: ? |
| 13:21.34 | knyn | Hi. I need to install Debian, but it doesn't recognise my network card. What do I do? |
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| 13:21.46 | abrotman | why not? |
| 13:22.48 | knyn | I don't know why. Just on the installation it doesn't recognise my network |
| 13:23.00 | abrotman | does it need firmware? is the kernel too old? |
| 13:23.01 | wjtaylor | I think it was current. It was in the squeeze repos |
| 13:23.16 | wjtaylor | abrotman: ^^ |
| 13:23.26 | abrotman | wjtaylor: right, but there's a qc-usb-source package in debian |
| 13:23.47 | wjtaylor | that's what I used. |
| 13:23.52 | knyn | abrotman: I have no idea, sorry. I donwloaded the mid-sized iso and it simply doesn't recognise my network card |
| 13:23.58 | abrotman | wjtaylor: you use module-assistant with that |
| 13:24.03 | knyn | So I can't use the internet |
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| 13:24.07 | abrotman | knyn: the netinst? |
| 13:24.13 | knyn | abrotman: Nope |
| 13:24.16 | knyn | Small CD |
| 13:24.17 | abrotman | CD1? |
| 13:24.23 | knyn | Yes |
| 13:24.29 | knyn | And loaded it from a USB sic |
| 13:24.32 | knyn | *stick |
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| 13:24.38 | abrotman | okay, so just finish the install, CD1 has enough to get a basic system |
| 13:26.20 | knyn | abrotman: Okay, then do I come back and tell you once I've finished? (I will need a different computer then) |
| 13:26.34 | abrotman | knyn: or put another NIC in the system ? |
| 13:26.50 | knyn | abrotman: NIC? |
| 13:27.02 | abrotman | network card |
| 13:27.12 | knyn | Not an option, it's a laptop |
| 13:27.24 | knyn | I don't have another network card anyway |
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| 13:29.04 | knyn | So, I really don't know what to do. |
| 13:29.15 | wjtaylor | abrotman: so what would that look like? module-assistant build |
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| 13:30.07 | BoozeWooz | hmpf... ><" |
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| 13:30.20 | abrotman | knyn: finish the install, then we'll figure it out |
| 13:30.53 | BoozeWooz | im trying to search, but so far theres not really much about it.. initial booting from SD then hand it over to a USB2 device |
| 13:30.57 | abrotman | wjtaylor: http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
| 13:31.01 | knyn | Okay abrotman, thank you |
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| 13:31.13 | abrotman | knyn: could need firmware or a kernel from backports.org |
| 13:31.18 | abrotman | knyn: or you can try the kmuto netinst |
| 13:32.10 | abrotman | !tell knyn about kmuto |
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| 13:34.53 | knyn | abrotman: I'll use kmuto, will it recognise my network card? |
| 13:35.03 | abrotman | i don'tk now .. you don't even know what your network card is |
| 13:35.03 | knyn | Other Linux distros do, except for Debian |
| 13:35.15 | abrotman | you don't know if it's too new or requires firmware |
| 13:35.23 | knyn | Do you need to know? I can find out if you want |
| 13:35.26 | abrotman | since you can't give us any information, i can't give you any answers |
| 13:35.41 | knyn | You never asked me... |
| 13:35.48 | abrotman | i did .. |
| 13:35.55 | abrotman | try the kmuto, then we'll talk |
| 13:36.27 | BoozeWooz | wow, are these people serious? does it really take 2 months to compile the linux kernel on ARM? |
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| 13:36.54 | abrotman | don't you think that depends on your CPU ? |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | and how much RAM, etc |
| 13:37.10 | BoozeWooz | "The port now has ~80% of the main Debian archive built [3], in less than 2 months (buildds started officially to compile on Sep 10)!" |
| 13:37.11 | knyn | okay abrotman |
| 13:38.00 | ansgar | BoozeWooz: Debian archive != linux kernel |
| 13:38.17 | BoozeWooz | oo its the entire software packages that are available? |
| 13:38.32 | abrotman | all 30,000 packages |
| 13:38.42 | BoozeWooz | hmm not bad i guess |
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| 13:38.48 | abrotman | dpkg: dstats unstable |
| 13:38.58 | knyn | abrotman: I have a 64 bit AMD computer, is squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso the correct image? I'm new to Linux, is Debian Squeeze the latest version and what I need? |
| 13:39.07 | abrotman | knyn: sure seems that way |
| 13:39.22 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 38586 packages, 2288 maintainers, 127555 MB installed size, 49778 MB compressed size. |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | jeez |
| 13:39.38 | knyn | ... |
| 13:39.43 | abrotman | not you, the bot |
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| 13:39.53 | jelly-home | had to count them all |
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| 13:40.08 | abrotman | i didn't realize they were approaching 40k packages |
| 13:40.24 | knyn | abrotman: Shall I download boot or netboot? |
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| 13:40.43 | abrotman | the 170MB image |
| 13:40.50 | abrotman | or 210MB .. whatever it is |
| 13:41.08 | wjtaylor | abrotman: sweet! It compiled right away! Thanks! It's still not showing with lsmod. Do I use modprobe to load it (and keep loading it on subsequent boots)? |
| 13:41.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:41.27 | abrotman | wjtaylor: modprobe and /etc/modules |
| 13:41.29 | wjtaylor | You the man! |
| 13:42.02 | wjtaylor | I was there for HOURS last night... using ever 4-letter word I knew.. and some I didn't |
| 13:42.12 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:42.40 | ManoftheSea | debian cares not for your four-letter words. |
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| 13:43.20 | jelly-home | ,i pork |
| 13:43.22 | judd | Package pork (net, optional) in squeeze/i386: Console-based AOL Instant Messenger & IRC client. Version: 0.99.8.1-2+b1; Size: 239.1k; Installed: 1508k |
| 13:43.31 | wjtaylor | I'm not familiar with /etc/modules. Does modprobe take care of that or do I need to add the entries there? |
| 13:43.37 | _aeris_ | hello #debian |
| 13:43.39 | knyn | abrotman: Is there torrents for it? downloading at 10Kb/s |
| 13:43.47 | _aeris_ | i have a patch for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415914 |
| 13:44.09 | _aeris_ | where i can find doc about patch publication to include it to debian ? |
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| 13:44.51 | ManoftheSea | wjtaylor: you add it yourself. |
| 13:45.05 | wjtaylor | cool. thx! |
| 13:45.20 | ManoftheSea | Is it... udev which automatically adds modules, based on discovered hardware? |
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| 13:46.12 | abrotman | knyn: nope, that's what it is |
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| 13:47.07 | knyn | 250Kb/s, that's better |
| 13:47.23 | jelly-home | _aeris_: you may just send it in a mail to bug-number-here@bugs.debian.org as an attachment and provide a "Tags: patch" pseudo header. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting#pseudoheader |
| 13:47.33 | ManoftheSea | can you jigdo the download? |
| 13:47.45 | ManoftheSea | that's how you torrent Debian discs. |
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| 13:49.55 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: private repo, no |
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| 13:51.32 | wjtaylor | After I compile and module with m-a do I install the deb? I told it to auto install, but I don't see a .ko file for modprobe... |
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| 13:53.56 | ManoftheSea | wjtaylor: it shouldn't hurt anything to install the .deb again |
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| 13:54.48 | wjtaylor | will do |
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| 13:56.06 | sneex | What would I check to see why I am half in a domain? I can get wbinfo data but not ID data |
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| 13:58.50 | joar | E: Internal Error, No file name for gcc-4.7-base |
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| 13:59.55 | joar | I think I interrupted apt during a dist-upgrade |
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| 14:00.39 | jelly-home | joar: which debian release are you supposed to be using? |
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| 14:01.11 | joar | jelly-home: wheezy, and some packages from sid, installed with apt-get -t sid |
| 14:01.37 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell joar about bat |
| 14:01.37 | joar | I think it's pulseaudio and libasound-related packages. |
| 14:02.00 | wjtaylor | No. It installs something, but I dont' know what. the module doesn't show up in lsmod and can't find a .ko file for it on the system |
| 14:02.18 | joar | jelly-home: https://gist.github.com/a0cf3718629c0802e934 |
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| 14:03.27 | jelly-home | joar: I think you meant "dpkg --configure -a" for that last command. |
| 14:03.41 | jelly-home | please provide the other information, tho |
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| 14:03.43 | joar | jelly-home: yes. |
| 14:03.53 | joar | ➜ octopress git:(master) ✗ sudo dpkg --configure -a |
| 14:03.53 | joar | Setting up gcc-4.7-base:amd64 (4.7.1-7) ... |
| 14:03.53 | joar | Setting up gcc-4.7-base:i386 (4.7.1-7) ... |
| 14:04.07 | jelly-home | use a pastebin! |
| 14:04.08 | joar | jelly-home: I don't know, but it seems it solved the problem. |
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| 14:04.38 | joar | jelly-home: I know, it was three rows and I wanted to spare myself the trouble. My clients warns me if i try to post 5 rows or more. |
| 14:05.14 | jelly-home | alight then, it looked like there would be more |
| 14:05.43 | joar | jelly-home: :) sudo apt-get -f install installed some packages, and I seem to be up and running again. |
| 14:05.51 | joar | jelly-home: thank you for the help! |
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| 14:06.47 | sneex | ➜ neat |
| 14:06.50 | Yans | Hello |
| 14:07.04 | joar | sneex: oh-my-zsh default installation, I'd recommend it. |
| 14:07.15 | sneex | rgr |
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| 14:08.00 | BoozeWooz | hey |
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| 14:08.44 | afsal | hi, i interested in contributing to debian. But i don't know where i start plz hlp me |
| 14:09.28 | joar | afsal: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-contributing.en.html |
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| 14:14.05 | afsal | is there any other tutotials to learn development.(i have a little knowledge in C++, C) |
| 14:14.38 | BoozeWooz | sudo apt-get install codeblocks |
| 14:14.51 | BoozeWooz | : D |
| 14:15.07 | joar | afsal: all the packages in debian have their individual environments regarding language, build system, etc. |
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| 14:16.19 | joar | afsal: What you may need to understand is that Debian encompasses an entire operating system. Calendars, web applications, device drivers, productivity tools. |
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| 14:17.08 | BoozeWooz | joar :P i have an OS that needs to boot from SD, but i want to have the rest form USB2 |
| 14:17.11 | BoozeWooz | how can i make this happen? |
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| 14:17.31 | afsal | joar: i want to learn maintainig and developing packages to debian |
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| 14:18.02 | boudiccas | BoozeWooz: so install to usb2 and put grub on the SD |
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| 14:18.14 | joar | afsal: then perhaps packaging for debian would be a good thing to learn |
| 14:18.15 | BoozeWooz | its for ARM |
| 14:18.16 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: does your bios support using the SD? |
| 14:18.30 | BoozeWooz | so theres no bios |
| 14:18.37 | ManoftheSea | sorry, for ARM? Does your bootloader support using the SD? |
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| 14:18.43 | joar | BoozeWooz: is it a raspberry pi? |
| 14:18.47 | BoozeWooz | yes, its only booting from SD |
| 14:18.50 | BoozeWooz | nop, odroid- |
| 14:18.50 | BoozeWooz | x |
| 14:19.03 | ectospasm | USB drivers for Broadcom chips are buggy |
| 14:19.05 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: you might be able to get some help from #arm-netbooks. |
| 14:19.07 | afsal | joar: pls suggest any tutorials |
| 14:19.11 | abrotman | ectospasm: s/USB // |
| 14:19.17 | ManoftheSea | er, #arm-netbook |
| 14:19.18 | ManoftheSea | singular |
| 14:19.20 | BoozeWooz | only supports eMMC and SD, sets by jumper |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | !tell afsal about nmg |
| 14:19.31 | BoozeWooz | danke schoen |
| 14:19.35 | ectospasm | abrotman: well, specifically for the Broadcom chip on the Raspberry Pi |
| 14:19.39 | joar | afsal: I don't know of any, I don't know that myself, I'm not a debian packager :) |
| 14:19.49 | abrotman | ectospasm: still .. :) |
| 14:19.54 | joar | afsal: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 14:20.02 | ectospasm | abrotman: yep (-; |
| 14:20.27 | joar | afsal: I search the web for this stuff. |
| 14:20.48 | joar | afsal: http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package1.html |
| 14:21.05 | abrotman | the NMG is where s/he should start |
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| 14:21.59 | afsal | thank uuu |
| 14:22.19 | joar | afsal: good luck now. |
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| 14:23.54 | wjtaylor | I feel very dum right now. I built a module with m-a then installed the deb it produced. But I the module is not loaded and I can't find a ko file anywhere. I'm I even doing this right? |
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| 14:24.23 | ectospasm | wjtaylor: you sure you got the module named right? |
| 14:24.44 | abrotman | wjtaylor: dpkg -L foo.deb .. see what files are in it |
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| 14:25.17 | ectospasm | if it left a working directory then the .ko file should be there |
| 14:25.41 | ectospasm | if it actually installed properly it should be somewhere in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | just because it created a .ko doesn't mean it made it into the package that was installed ? |
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| 14:28.29 | wjtaylor | http://pastebin.com/cSPC0S6v |
| 14:29.01 | abrotman | wjtaylor: sorry .. |
| 14:29.02 | phenom | Question: How would one be able to tell if a disc is a CD R,, CD RW,, DVD,, DVD RW etc from terminal? |
| 14:29.13 | abrotman | wjtaylor: dpkg -c foo.deb |
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| 14:29.31 | wjtaylor | ok |
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| 14:30.32 | cusco_ | wodim probably has some option to scan inserted medium |
| 14:30.34 | abrotman | wjtaylor: you can use dpkg -L, but you have to know the package name, in this case qc-usb-modules<something> |
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| 14:32.06 | wjtaylor | I think all m-a did was create a deb that installs the source... ??? |
| 14:32.20 | wjtaylor | I don't think it made a ko. |
| 14:32.32 | abrotman | paste ? |
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| 14:33.00 | wjtaylor | what do you want me to paste? |
| 14:33.06 | abrotman | the dpkg -c foo.deb |
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| 14:33.44 | wjtaylor | I found it. I'm a douche |
| 14:33.52 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:33.57 | abrotman | uh, not yay you're a douche |
| 14:34.04 | wjtaylor | It's not qc-usb anymore it's quickcam.ko |
| 14:34.11 | wjtaylor | which is what the qc stood for. |
| 14:34.19 | abrotman | okay |
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| 14:34.33 | wjtaylor | Thans for your help! |
| 14:34.37 | abrotman | hopefully it works |
| 14:34.38 | wjtaylor | Thanks! |
| 14:34.50 | wjtaylor | I hope so... i'm running out of hair. |
| 14:35.01 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:41.10 | \Jan | So, there's no /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 14:41.23 | \Jan | where else can I find my kernel's configuration file |
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| 14:41.45 | abrotman | \Jan: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 14:42.22 | \Jan | no, it's the default with the server |
| 14:42.32 | ManoftheSea | seriously, your name is "space backslash asciicharacters" |
| 14:42.42 | abrotman | \Jan: what is uname -r ? |
| 14:42.56 | \Jan | 3.2.13-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 |
| 14:42.59 | \Jan | it's an ovh box |
| 14:43.23 | wjtaylor | ok. got it loaded, but doesn't seem to help. lol. Going to reboot. |
| 14:43.26 | Oliver` | \Jan: OVH offer their configurations on the site -- let me get the link for you. |
| 14:43.29 | abrotman | \Jan: there used to be a /proc/config.gz .. but i guess that's gone |
| 14:43.30 | wjtaylor | Thanks again |
| 14:43.54 | Oliver` | \Jan: ftp://ftp.ovh.net/made-in-ovh/bzImage/ |
| 14:43.59 | \Jan | abrotman: that seems to be there |
| 14:44.34 | \Jan | the thing is the only reason I'm compiling the kernel over is because there's apparently no headers |
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| 14:45.31 | boudiccas | !grsec |
| 14:45.31 | dpkg | grsecurity is a patch set to enhance Linux kernel security: provides an ACL system, auditing capabilities and institutes measures to prevent common system exploits. Packaged for Debian as linux-patch-grsecurity2, read /usr/share/doc/linux-patch-grsecurity2/README.Debian to apply. See also <kernel-package>, Debian bug #601113. http://www.grsecurity.net/ #grsecurity on irc.oftc.net, ##grsecurity on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:45.47 | knyn | Tere, ma teen, et see on tõesti tüütu teile! Haha, see jaotus imeb riista. Käi persse kõik. |
| 14:46.03 | abrotman | knyn: .... |
| 14:46.44 | knyn | Oops |
| 14:46.47 | knyn | sorry |
| 14:46.53 | knyn | Wrong lanaguage |
| 14:47.13 | knyn | I using a translator, selected not english :P |
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| 14:48.02 | mjmt | I understood 'teile'. Keep it clean. ;) |
| 14:48.15 | joar | Google Translate understood it all. |
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| 14:49.02 | hans_henrik | what was the name of the bot that resides in this channel? |
| 14:49.32 | abrotman | hans_henrik: dpkg |
| 14:49.37 | hans_henrik | thanks |
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| 15:02.43 | sneex | abrotman: how good is your sed ? I want to change all / to _ |
| 15:03.06 | abrotman | sneex: s/\//_/g ? |
| 15:03.08 | abrotman | or use tr |
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| 15:03.15 | Yorickk | hi |
| 15:03.27 | Yorickk | i get this error in the syslog: |
| 15:03.28 | Yorickk | Aug 26 16:50:13 Debian-60-squeeze-64-minimal kernel: [ 17.873409] r8169 0000:03:00.0: eth0: link down |
| 15:03.56 | abrotman | so plug it in |
| 15:04.01 | Yorickk | what can it be that the eth0 goes down by it selfs |
| 15:04.12 | ManoftheSea | loose plug |
| 15:04.21 | ManoftheSea | failed auto-negotiation |
| 15:04.24 | Yorickk | but its connected |
| 15:04.33 | Yorickk | was offline for a few minutes |
| 15:04.39 | Yorickk | and went back online |
| 15:04.59 | Yorickk | can this be a sofrware problem or hardware? |
| 15:05.18 | jelly-home | sneex: s#/#_#g |
| 15:05.49 | boudiccas | Yorickk: how do we know? its your machine and you're sitting in front of it, presumably! check your connections, read the logs, be proactive |
| 15:05.52 | jelly-home | Yorickk: it can be both. |
| 15:05.59 | sneex | k thats what I thought :P sumtin else must be going on :( brb |
| 15:06.07 | ManoftheSea | Yorickk: does it repeat? |
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| 15:06.15 | Yorickk | yes now it does |
| 15:06.15 | ManoftheSea | It appears to occur 17 seconds after boot. |
| 15:06.19 | Yorickk | its from hetzner |
| 15:06.24 | Yorickk | so i cant check it |
| 15:06.59 | boudiccas | Yorickk: wtf is 'hetzner'? |
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| 15:07.35 | pc_magas | try ifconfig eth0 up |
| 15:07.36 | Yorickk | hetzner.de |
| 15:07.41 | Yorickk | hosting company |
| 15:07.53 | Yorickk | they did last night |
| 15:07.58 | Yorickk | hardware check |
| 15:08.09 | Yorickk | they said it isn't the hardware |
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| 15:08.42 | Yorickk | but eth0 is down can have different reasons i guess |
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| 15:13.13 | sneex | am I brain dead? Why is this hanging? sed -e "s/newval/$MYVAR/" Deosn't return |
| 15:14.18 | abrotman | what's the full command you're using ? |
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| 15:15.45 | abrotman | sneex: ? |
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| 15:16.22 | sneex | that's basically what we had in out AIX scripts but I have a problem with those and have been back peddling; Ive found I dont know SED as well as I thought ... so back to sed school :P |
| 15:16.26 | sneex | sed s/day/night/ <old >new |
| 15:16.26 | jelly-home | sneex: you forgot to provide it either a stream on stdin, or a file parameter? |
| 15:16.33 | sneex | rgr |
| 15:17.28 | ususususu | Hello, can anyone help me with audio driver - Via VT1708A ? |
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| 15:31.37 | raden | do i need to do something to save aliases ? |
| 15:31.47 | raden | everytime i log out and back in my aliases dont work |
| 15:32.33 | BigRedS | raden: put them in ~/.bashrc |
| 15:33.09 | raden | i cant just alias ast="asterisk -rvvvvv" ???? |
| 15:33.10 | BigRedS | most things in bash only last the life of your session, so you put them in ~/.bashrc so they get automatically configured at the beginning of each session |
| 15:33.20 | BigRedS | yes you can |
| 15:33.29 | BigRedS | it's just a bash script that bash executes on login |
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| 15:33.39 | BigRedS | anything you'd run on a command line can go in there |
| 15:33.40 | raden | where that located sir ? |
| 15:34.01 | BigRedS | in your home directory |
| 15:34.05 | BigRedS | ~/.bashrc |
| 15:34.05 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 15:34.38 | raden | my root home directory empty |
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| 15:37.14 | Nirgal | raden: files starting with a dot are usually hidden, use ls -a in command line or see "show hidden files" in menu |
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| 15:38.04 | raden | Nirgal, thank you.... i should not be doing this stuff when i just wake up LOL |
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| 15:41.08 | papabaer123 | Hello, I am running wheezy/sid on my netbook. Since some time my internal keyboard and touchpad won't be recognize under X. Sometime means four starts no keyboard/touchpad, one start with them. USB input devices are recognized and are working. Restart udev does not help in any way. Anyone having some issues or having ideas to solve that problem? |
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| 15:41.49 | ectospasm | papabaer123: do you have the same problem in another OS? |
| 15:42.09 | ectospasm | ...just trying to draw a distinction between pure hardware or software problems. |
| 15:42.24 | ectospasm | papabaer123: and wheezy != sid |
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| 15:42.45 | ectospasm | technically we only support squeeze here, for now |
| 15:43.12 | ectospasm | ...we provide support for wheezy and sid in #debian-next@oftc |
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| 15:43.51 | papabaer123 | ectospasm: ok thx |
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| 15:44.45 | ectospasm | I hope I wasn't being to presumptuous using "we" here |
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| 15:47.47 | gasull | Hi. I'm using nm with a VPN and I can't ssh into my server because it can't resolv the hostname that is only accessible through the VPN. This is only happening for my laptop, and not for other machines. Is there any step I'm missing? |
| 15:48.11 | papabaer123 | ectospasm: never had been directed to another channel with my sid problems in years |
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| 15:48.45 | abrotman | ectospasm: that's not true, wheezy/sid are supported here |
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| 15:49.07 | abrotman | papabaer123: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:49.14 | abrotman | ectospasm: not sure where you got that idea, but it's incorrect |
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| 15:50.51 | papabaer123 | abrotman: nope, I do not have xorg.conf nor any file in xorg.conf.d |
| 15:51.13 | ectospasm | abrotman: hmmm |
| 15:51.14 | abrotman | papabaer123: and your kernel is ? |
| 15:51.32 | ectospasm | what's the point of #debian-next, then? |
| 15:51.35 | abrotman | ectospasm: that's like saying powerpc or amd64 or arm are offtopic here because there is a #debianppc or #debian-arm that specializes in it |
| 15:51.49 | ectospasm | abrotman: I stand corrected |
| 15:51.58 | abrotman | ectospasm: a channel that specializes in testing/unstable |
| 15:52.17 | ectospasm | I think when I first started using wheezy/testing I was told to go there for help |
| 15:52.26 | abrotman | ectospasm: yeah .. well, that doesn't make it right :) |
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| 15:52.44 | ectospasm | abrotman: no, but I take many things at face value |
| 15:53.20 | ectospasm | and no one wears the op mantle all the time, so it can be difficult to tell who the authorities are (-; |
| 15:53.26 | wjtaylor | Got a /dev/video0 for my webcam, but webcam apps still have issues. What is the next step to troubleshooting this? |
| 15:53.40 | ectospasm | wjtaylor: be more specific about the issues |
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| 15:53.54 | abrotman | ectospasm: we're not supposed to wear our hats |
| 15:54.01 | abrotman | ectospasm: something freenode prefers |
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| 15:54.39 | ectospasm | abrotman: make sense |
| 15:54.48 | ectospasm | er, IT makes sense |
| 15:55.11 | papabaer123 | abrotman: actually it's 3.2.0-3-amd64. With 3.4.0-trunk it is the same |
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| 15:55.34 | raptor67682 | I have created a sort of artificial intelligence under bash. are some interested to code in that direction? I need further a voice reco soon or one day |
| 15:55.34 | abrotman | papabaer123: and your 'xorg' package is fully installed? You've looked at your Xorg.0.log ? |
| 15:55.38 | wjtaylor | I can't select the webcam in cheeze, camorama crashes, and gstreamer-properties gives errors for a camera device: Video for Linux 2 (v4l2): Error starting streaming on device '/dev/video0'. |
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| 15:55.53 | abrotman | wjtaylor: does it exist? what are the perms ? |
| 15:56.24 | wjtaylor | wjtaylor@Tesla:~$ ls /dev/video0 -l |
| 15:56.24 | wjtaylor | crw-rw----+ 1 root video 81, 0 Aug 26 11:11 /dev/video0 |
| 15:56.24 | wjtaylor | wjtaylor@Tesla:~$ |
| 15:56.41 | wjtaylor | I belong to the video group |
| 15:56.42 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell wjtaylor about pastebin |
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| 15:56.50 | wjtaylor | sorry I'll pastebin |
| 15:56.52 | wjtaylor | :) |
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| 15:57.24 | wjtaylor | what's a good pastebin? patebin.com needs a lot of scrolling for bigger pastes. |
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| 15:58.34 | abrotman | wjtaylor: if you type 'groups', it's there ? |
| 15:58.37 | abrotman | wjtaylor: paste.debian.net |
| 15:58.55 | wjtaylor | ah .. .net tried. com and .org |
| 15:58.59 | wjtaylor | will do |
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| 15:59.34 | jelly-home | woohoo, finally upgrading to lenny |
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| 16:02.19 | abrotman | to lenny? |
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| 16:04.00 | papabaer123 | abrotman: as far as I know all the packages are installed. Xorg.0.log is beeing considering atm |
| 16:04.29 | abrotman | papabaer123: aptitude install xorg |
| 16:04.40 | wjtaylor | yes, when I typed groups it is "video" is listed with the others |
| 16:04.48 | bluesceada | hmm how can I check again what kind of libraries a certain elf binary needs? |
| 16:04.57 | bluesceada | somekind of "ldinfo" tool ..? |
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| 16:05.04 | bluesceada | can't remember the name.. |
| 16:05.06 | wjtaylor | abrotman: ^^ |
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| 16:06.37 | papabaer123 | abrotman: |
| 16:06.44 | bluesceada | ah ... readelf -d |
| 16:06.46 | papabaer123 | abrotman: sry. Everything installed |
| 16:07.20 | abrotman | wjtaylor: that'd have been my guess |
| 16:07.41 | abrotman | papabaer123: i'll let -next keep going with you, i'm about to head out for a bit i think |
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| 16:08.53 | Rotaerk | in order to use Citrix client, I need the 32-bit version of a library, while other things I want to use such as Flash Player use the 64-bit version of that library (I don't want to limit myself to strictly 32-bit everything) |
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| 16:09.32 | Rotaerk | is the only way around this (apart from alternating the architecture depending on what I want to run) to upgrade to testing/unstable and use multiarch? |
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| 16:10.28 | abrotman | ia32-libs don't cover it ? |
| 16:10.41 | Rotaerk | it doesn't seem to |
| 16:10.51 | abrotman | chroot ? |
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| 16:11.30 | Rotaerk | hmm |
| 16:11.47 | Rotaerk | what would that do? allow me to run the application pointed to a different source for its libraries? |
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| 16:12.07 | abrotman | you basically have a system living in your system .. |
| 16:12.13 | papabaer123 | abrotman: ok. thx |
| 16:12.46 | Rotaerk | ah. |
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| 16:21.57 | aguitel | i want to boot iso image stored in my hd ,how i do with unetbootin ? |
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| 16:22.23 | ectospasm | aguitel: what kind of ISO image is it? |
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| 16:22.49 | aguitel | ectospasm, ubuntu iso image |
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| 16:23.03 | ectospasm | aguitel: this is not the place to ask that. Try #ubuntu |
| 16:23.17 | ectospasm | although unetbootin is pretty self explanatory |
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| 16:23.45 | ectospasm | just choose the disk image option, point it at the ISO, point it at your USB device, click,"Go" |
| 16:24.09 | aguitel | no USB ,just in hd |
| 16:24.27 | ectospasm | aguitel: don't use unetbootin |
| 16:24.37 | ectospasm | aguitel: and this isn't an Ubuntu channel |
| 16:24.42 | ectospasm | go to #ubuntu |
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| 16:26.21 | knyn | Is there a way to change the date and time using the terminal? |
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| 16:26.31 | cosming | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.51 | ectospasm | cosming: do you have copies of the superblock anywhere? |
| 16:27.12 | cosming | I didn't create any |
| 16:27.34 | ectospasm | if you could calculate where the superblocks were, some may still be intact |
| 16:27.53 | ectospasm | ...unless you zeroed the filesystem before mkswap on it |
| 16:28.05 | cosming | I just formated it ; same size |
| 16:28.33 | ectospasm | yeah, you probably can't just format it back |
| 16:28.41 | cosming | mkswap && soqpon && swapoff |
| 16:29.08 | ManoftheSea | swapon wouldn't auto-detect the swap device |
| 16:29.20 | zinx | you can create a new filesystem with the exact same parameters, but using the -S option, then you can try fsck |
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| 16:29.30 | zinx | if you don't use the exact same parameters, you are screwed |
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| 16:29.53 | zinx | -S only writes superblocks/group descriptors |
| 16:30.03 | zinx | but i would try looking for backup superblocks first |
| 16:30.28 | ectospasm | yeah, if you trash the existing superblocks, kiss the data goodbye |
| 16:31.16 | cosming | zinx: I just did mkswap /dev/sda2 |
| 16:31.24 | zinx | cosming: try dumpe2fs /dev/sda2 |
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| 16:31.57 | btcbuy314 | how do i query a apt-get for package x |
| 16:32.01 | zinx | cosming: if it lists backup superblocks, you're in luck |
| 16:32.12 | ectospasm | btcbuy314: apt-cache search, or aptitude search |
| 16:32.20 | ManoftheSea | btcbuy314: apt-cache search |
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| 16:32.24 | zinx | cosming: if not, you'll have to remember how you made the ext4 fs on it :P |
| 16:32.27 | ectospasm | I like the default output of aptitude better |
| 16:32.43 | ectospasm | ...but that's just a matter of opinion and taste |
| 16:32.47 | zinx | cosming: if you remember that, you can use mke2fs -n <your options> /dev/sda2, and DO NOT forget the -n |
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| 16:32.57 | zinx | cosming: it'll tell you where it would put the backup superblocks |
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| 16:33.36 | btcbuy314 | i just tried both apt-cache x and apt-cache search x and both didnt work, should i post the error? |
| 16:34.08 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: maybe 'x' isn't in the repos |
| 16:34.10 | zinx | cosming: once you know where a backup is, you can use e2fsck -b <block> /dev/sda2 |
| 16:34.18 | cosming | cound not find superbloxk |
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| 16:34.32 | btcbuy314 | i used chromium |
| 16:34.44 | btcbuy314 | i was just using x as a variable |
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| 16:35.04 | ManoftheSea | , chromium |
| 16:35.12 | ManoftheSea | hmm, I forget how to ask the bot. |
| 16:35.23 | boudiccas | ,v chromium |
| 16:35.24 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 20.0.1132.57~r145807-1; sid: 21.0.1180.75~r150248-1 |
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| 16:36.04 | cosming | ectospasm: no superblock |
| 16:36.06 | ectospasm | btcbuy314: you must be doing it wrong |
| 16:36.14 | ectospasm | cosming: then it's probably gone. |
| 16:36.20 | btcbuy314 | i typed it exactly how it was earlier |
| 16:36.31 | ectospasm | you'll need some serious forensics to recover |
| 16:36.31 | zinx | cosming: try mke2fs -n <any options you supplied> /dev/sda2 |
| 16:36.38 | zinx | cosming: and /do not/ forget the -n |
| 16:36.39 | ManoftheSea | btcbuy314: perhaps check your apt-get is up to date |
| 16:36.44 | Rotaerk | aguitel: I needed to setup a USB external harddrive as a bootable form of the debian ISO last night |
| 16:37.03 | zinx | cosming: it will give where it would put the backup superblocks with those options |
| 16:37.05 | Rotaerk | unetbootin wouldn't detect the drive, wouldn't give me the option |
| 16:37.12 | ectospasm | cosming: did you set up this ext4 filesystem in debian-installer, or...? |
| 16:37.13 | Rotaerk | but another tool did |
| 16:37.19 | cosming | that sistem is archlinux |
| 16:37.46 | zinx | cosming: the channel for archlinux may know the defaults used |
| 16:38.04 | Rotaerk | aguitel: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ worked for me |
| 16:38.05 | zinx | if you didn't make it yourself |
| 16:38.07 | ManoftheSea | Rotaerk: unetbootin needs the drive mounted |
| 16:38.14 | cosming | I think i created it my hnd |
| 16:38.24 | zinx | cosming: k, then try to remember which options you used |
| 16:38.28 | cosming | mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdx |
| 16:38.36 | Rotaerk | ManoftheSea: well I was doing it from Windows; and it was given a drive letter |
| 16:38.42 | zinx | cosming: if all else fails, you can use something like scalpel to restore structured files (images, videos, etc) |
| 16:38.45 | btcbuy314 | well i just installed debian, is there a command i have to run to initialize or something? |
| 16:38.55 | Rotaerk | ManoftheSea: USB keys are noticed, but the USB drive wasn't |
| 16:38.56 | zinx | cosming: cool, then just do mkfs.ext4 -n /dev/sda2 |
| 16:39.01 | Rotaerk | I wasn't clear on why |
| 16:39.11 | zinx | cosming: should list backup superblocks |
| 16:39.30 | zinx | cosming: then try e2fsck -b block /dev/sda2, for each block |
| 16:39.31 | aguitel | Rotaerk, thanks |
| 16:39.37 | Rotaerk | even the universal usb installer didn't provide the USB external drive as an option, initially; but it had a "show all drives (use with caution)" checkbox |
| 16:39.46 | zinx | cosming: if it complains about not being ext, pass it a -f |
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| 16:40.16 | zinx | cosming: or if it says it doesn't need checked :P |
| 16:40.32 | oguz | i would like to change BIOS settings from commandline and save them for the next boot any tool for that? |
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| 16:40.55 | zinx | oguz: no |
| 16:41.10 | zinx | oguz: different BIOSes store the settings different ways, there's not really any standard |
| 16:41.42 | oguz | zinx: what are the ways, i am searching for a solution for a central BIOS update for thinclients |
| 16:41.56 | oguz | zinx: mainly central BIOS settings update |
| 16:42.06 | oguz | zinx: i tried nvramtool but it didn't worked |
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| 16:43.08 | zinx | oguz: you can check the source for flashrom and/or cmospwd |
| 16:43.35 | Rotaerk | aguitel: hmm looking at it again, it seems that only has a build for windows ? |
| 16:43.41 | Rotaerk | not sure if that'll be a problem for you |
| 16:44.14 | oguz | zinx: flashrom is for flashing the whole BIOS, isn't it, istead of flashing it eachtime any way to just flash the settings? |
| 16:44.26 | zinx | oguz: yeah, and not sure it does settings either |
| 16:44.34 | zinx | oguz: cmospwd will at least read settings, however |
| 16:44.50 | oguz | zinx: better to try them |
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| 16:45.04 | zinx | oguz: fwiw the flashrom channel may know a lot more about it too |
| 16:45.59 | cosming | zinx: now I do e2fsck -b block /dev/sda2, for each block |
| 16:46.35 | zinx | cosming: just type it, putting the number instead of 'block' |
| 16:46.42 | zinx | cosming: ya |
| 16:47.16 | aguitel | Rotaerk, i am looking for linux |
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| 16:49.26 | btcbuy314 | the package lists of status file could not be parsed or opened |
| 16:49.32 | btcbuy314 | thats what it says when i try to update |
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| 16:53.43 | btcbuy314 | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 16:54.33 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: what version of debian? lenny, squeeze, wheezy? apt-get, aptitude, synaptic, software-center? |
| 16:55.04 | ectospasm | I have a minor issue. I've set up a bash snippet to open or connect to a screen session when I log in, in /root/.bashrc... when I do that, it screws up rsync (generates a error code 2, protocol error) from my QNAP NAS. |
| 16:55.11 | cosming | zinx: it takes a long time |
| 16:55.25 | cosming | the first block is not finised yet |
| 16:55.39 | ectospasm | I need a way to discern when rsync is connecting, and when it's me (via sudo -i) |
| 16:56.01 | cosming | and it displays a lot of numbers, like : - (3245345) - (334534) .... |
| 16:56.03 | boudiccas | ectospasm: top? |
| 16:56.29 | ectospasm | boudiccas: what about top? rsync doesn't like being dumped into the screen session. |
| 16:56.39 | ectospasm | ...top won't help me figure that one out |
| 16:56.46 | boudiccas | ectospasm: you'll see rsync in top |
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| 16:56.59 | ectospasm | boudiccas: no, rsync has already returned error code 2 |
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| 16:57.50 | btcbuy314 | boudiccas: wheezy, i deleted /var/lib/apt/lists and now checking if that worked |
| 16:57.51 | zinx | cosming: if it's checking, it probably is working |
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| 16:58.05 | btcbuy314 | no it didnt work |
| 16:58.20 | zinx | cosming: it will bail if it can't understand the superblock |
| 16:58.21 | btcbuy314 | encountered section with no package: header |
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| 16:58.24 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: sudo apt-get update |
| 16:58.30 | btcbuy314 | problem with merglist /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 16:58.56 | btcbuy314 | yeah i get these errors when i run that |
| 16:58.57 | ectospasm | I need a way to read a variable within .bashrc, that lets me determine whether this is rsync connecting |
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| 17:01.19 | Caelum | is there a linux email client that supports a unified inbox? |
| 17:01.58 | btcbuy314 | i install linux and the first thing i do is update, and i already get errors.... |
| 17:02.23 | Caelum | yes, the joys of updating linux, tons of errors and hours reconfiguring everything |
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| 17:02.45 | ectospasm | Caelum: is Thunderbird not what you want? |
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| 17:02.46 | jelly-home | Caelum: what's a unified inbox? |
| 17:02.47 | mtn_ | Caelum: or like most of us, no trouble at all :) |
| 17:02.54 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: paste your erros and the command that regenerated them please, and then let us know the url |
| 17:03.15 | boudiccas | errors |
| 17:03.22 | ectospasm | I think the $- variable may be what I want. Only one way to find out... |
| 17:03.23 | Caelum | jelly-home: when you have multiple email accounts and it gives you an inbox with emails from all of them |
| 17:03.49 | btcbuy314 | i typed sudo apt-get update and i get : |
| 17:03.50 | boudiccas | Caelum: kmail |
| 17:04.00 | mtn_ | Caelum: claws-mail |
| 17:04.03 | btcbuy314 | reading package lists... error! |
| 17:04.08 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: uese a pastebin |
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| 17:04.39 | shlafrock | hey anyone has idea wtf is going on here : http://pastebin.com/pZ9qSsB9 - i can't connect to adhoc wifi created on other computer, but i can connect to 'normal' wifi ... |
| 17:04.43 | btcbuy314 | its on an old computer i cant paste |
| 17:05.02 | btcbuy314 | no gui |
| 17:05.06 | ectospasm | ah... it seems I've been doing it wrong |
| 17:05.13 | ectospasm | .bashrc is for non-login shells (-; |
| 17:05.21 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: if you're running it from a terminal you can paste the output to dpaste |
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| 17:05.40 | btcbuy314 | but the errors are just the same ones i listed above |
| 17:05.41 | Caelum | boudiccas: I remember kmail being very nice, does it have a unified inbox now? |
| 17:05.47 | btcbuy314 | how do i do that |
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| 17:05.57 | boudiccas | Caelum: i believe so |
| 17:06.34 | btcbuy314 | so this is typical? errors when updating on a fresh install? |
| 17:06.49 | ectospasm | btcbuy314: no, it's not typical |
| 17:07.05 | ectospasm | btcbuy314: you may have chosen a bad mirror |
| 17:07.17 | ectospasm | or may have been unlucky and just hit a good mirror at a bad time. |
| 17:07.54 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: copy the command and the errors it generates to http://dpaste.com/ and tell us the url |
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| 17:10.57 | btcbuy314 | http://dpaste.com/791785/ |
| 17:12.02 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: dan, can you paste your sources.list to dpaste too please |
| 17:12.32 | btcbuy314 | where is that at |
| 17:12.43 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:13.40 | Caelum | hmm, there's a way to make a unified inbox in evolution using search folders |
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| 17:14.08 | btcbuy314 | boudiccas: all it says is deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi |
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| 17:14.47 | boudiccas | btcbuy314: ah, raspbian. sorry, i dont know that breed at all. you could try asking in #raspbian |
| 17:15.07 | btcbuy314 | ok thanks ill try there |
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| 17:19.52 | boudiccas | !raspberry |
| 17:19.59 | boudiccas | !raspbian |
| 17:19.59 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the Rasberry Pi. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 17:21.39 | Caelum | and you can make a virtual folder as a unified inbox in thunderbird too |
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| 17:21.49 | Caelum | so I guess I should just use thunderbird |
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| 17:22.48 | jircz | Hello, whenever I try and install Debian I am unable to connect to my WiFi network in the installer. Does anyone know what the problem is, and what I should do? |
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| 17:24.16 | blubberdiblub | can one easily fix typos in the factoids? |
| 17:24.56 | ectospasm | ask an op, politely |
| 17:25.17 | ectospasm | jircz: the installer may not have your wifi card firmware loaded. |
| 17:26.04 | jircz | ectospasm: Maybe. What can be done about this? |
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| 17:27.56 | mtn_ | jircz: easiest way is install using wired connection and add firmware later |
| 17:28.35 | jircz | mtn_: Okay. Can I use the standard .iso? |
| 17:28.51 | jircz | And wont I be needing to change my routers security to WEP? |
| 17:28.54 | ectospasm | jircz: I dunno, I don't think I've installed from wifi before |
| 17:28.55 | mtn_ | jircz: for a wired connection? sure. |
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| 17:29.11 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 17:29.16 | jircz | mtn_: Thanks for you help. |
| 17:29.22 | Harzilein | wasn't there a generic channel for web development? |
| 17:29.52 | ectospasm | maybe jessie will have a UI which will allow the user to install using a wifi adapter. |
| 17:30.36 | jircz | ectospasm: It's fine, I'll use LAN. But, WPA security isn't supported? |
| 17:31.42 | ectospasm | jircz: I don't remember seeing a way to configure it in the installer, even in expert mode |
| 17:31.50 | ectospasm | ...and that was the wheezy installer |
| 17:32.01 | boudiccas | jircz: isn't wireless security decided at the router, and not at the debain box? |
| 17:32.17 | boudiccas | debian |
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| 17:32.37 | ectospasm | boudiccas: if debian is acting as the AP, sure it can decide the security |
| 17:32.45 | jircz | boudiccas: I will change it to WEP then. |
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| 18:08.17 | BoozeWooz | hello |
| 18:08.25 | ectospasm | ola |
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| 18:08.46 | BoozeWooz | im having a problem with loading some OS from usb drive.. hardware only supports SD card |
| 18:08.58 | BoozeWooz | nvm |
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| 18:10.05 | Jef91 | When building a debian package, how can I list something that isn't a build dependacy, but is needed as a run time depen? |
| 18:10.20 | Jef91 | Depends: <packagename> in the control file is no good |
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| 18:10.46 | obiwahn | wo finde das git repository vom debian kernel? |
| 18:11.23 | boudiccas | !de |
| 18:11.23 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 18:12.18 | obiwahn | oh sorry is thought i was in debian.de .. anyways :) do you know where i can find the git repo of the debian kernel? |
| 18:12.31 | obiwahn | or does it use only vanilla kernel? |
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| 18:13.12 | blubberdiblub | the stock debian kernel is not vanilla |
| 18:13.22 | obiwahn | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 18:13.26 | obiwahn | do they still use svn?! |
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| 18:13.44 | ectospasm | obiwahn: organizational inertia |
| 18:13.52 | ectospasm | a great many projects still use svn |
| 18:14.05 | ectospasm | I know my company uses svn *and* git |
| 18:14.15 | ectospasm | svn for the official, public facing stuff |
| 18:14.32 | obiwahn | i don't really care |
| 18:14.52 | obiwahn | but a the kernel uses git it would save the trouble of converting ... |
| 18:15.04 | obiwahn | i want a special file |
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| 18:15.19 | obiwahn | and that should be as near as possible to the current release in debian |
| 18:15.30 | obiwahn | but i do not want to downlaod the whole kernel source |
| 18:15.36 | obiwahn | but a single file only |
| 18:15.46 | obiwahn | any idea where i could get that? |
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| 18:16.18 | ManoftheSea | git-browser? |
| 18:16.28 | obiwahn | well if i had a repository |
| 18:16.32 | ompaul | if it is a debian file ... |
| 18:16.33 | obiwahn | i could browse |
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| 18:17.04 | ompaul | apt-get source and compromise it's not like the source of a kernel is going to kill you - annoying but such is life |
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| 18:18.18 | obiwahn | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-precise.git;a=blob_plain;f=drivers/platform/x86/thinkpad_acpi.c;hb=HEAD does the trick:P |
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| 18:21.05 | cutchyacokov-gfs | Is there an LMDE channel on here? If not maybe this is an issue common to current testing + mate. Fonts in Firefox are enormous but normal in other apps. What's up with that? |
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| 18:21.10 | ompaul | is it the same as the debian file |
| 18:21.14 | ompaul | !mint |
| 18:21.15 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 18:21.24 | julius_ | hi |
| 18:21.27 | julius_ | this: cat gaming-traffic-shaping.sh | nc -q 10 -l 7878 and this: nc 192.168.11.50 7878 works to transfer a file, but when i add "-u" (for udp)to both commands i dont get a connection? |
| 18:21.56 | ectospasm | julius_: duh, UDP is a connectionless transport protocol |
| 18:22.30 | ompaul | obiwahn: is it the same as the debian file? |
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| 18:22.42 | julius_ | ectospasm, ok...i dont know what that means |
| 18:23.03 | julius_ | ectospasm, let me google that |
| 18:23.06 | obiwahn | ompaul: i dont know but it is not as far ahead as the stable kernel on kernel org |
| 18:23.08 | ectospasm | julius_: if you use UDP as the transport, something higher up the protocol stack (Application layer, if you will) has to handle the connection |
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| 18:23.19 | obiwahn | and maybe it can be used by other dists as well |
| 18:23.33 | ompaul | obiwahn: good luck with that |
| 18:23.45 | ompaul | obiwahn: apt-cache search thinkpad |
| 18:23.47 | ectospasm | julius_: and netcat will decidedly NOT handle the connection stuff with UDP |
| 18:23.55 | ectospasm | afaik |
| 18:24.00 | ectospasm | I don't use nc/netcat much |
| 18:24.06 | obiwahn | ompaul: it ill not help |
| 18:24.18 | obiwahn | you need to patch the current kernel org driver |
| 18:24.28 | obiwahn | and the one in debian as well |
| 18:24.47 | obiwahn | to make the led of the micmute key work in the 1012 thinkpad line |
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| 18:25.15 | ompaul | right so |
| 18:25.18 | julius_ | ectospasm, so netcat will not send the input it got when a client connects? |
| 18:25.53 | obiwahn | http://paste.debian.net/185707/ |
| 18:25.58 | ompaul | for the benefit of obiwahn /me pats the thinkcentre and i420t ;-) |
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| 18:26.42 | ompaul | obiwahn: I'd be thinking kmuto if I was using stable |
| 18:27.09 | ectospasm | julius_: I'm misunderstanding the topology, or the purpose here. |
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| 18:28.40 | Yans | Hello |
| 18:30.02 | obiwahn | ompaul: what does kmuto mean? |
| 18:30.19 | ompaul | obiwahn: a set of backported kernels for stable |
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| 18:31.15 | ompaul | obiwahn: here you go http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 18:31.30 | obiwahn | i run sid |
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| 18:31.55 | ectospasm | El sid |
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| 18:32.51 | ompaul | obiwahn: then no need for that |
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| 18:42.15 | ronny | hi |
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| 18:42.43 | ronny | i got some trouble with sound mixers - muting my pcm also mutes my master, but unmuting pcm does not unmute master |
| 18:43.03 | ronny | that creates trouble with the mute key and user switching |
| 18:43.18 | ronny | im not even sure what to search for in google |
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| 18:55.12 | roboman2444 | when is debian testing gonna use a newer kernel? |
| 18:55.24 | roboman2444 | we have been on 3.2 for a looong time, even though 3.5 is the stable release |
| 18:55.45 | ectospasm | roboman2444: testing is frozen |
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| 18:55.58 | ectospasm | ...and sid is kinda meta frozen for now |
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| 18:56.17 | sinisterstuf | why's it frozen? |
| 18:56.27 | ectospasm | sinisterstuf: it's soon to be stable |
| 18:56.44 | sinisterstuf | nice, do we know when? |
| 18:56.51 | ectospasm | and as I understand it, sid development has slowed... |
| 18:57.43 | abrotman | it has, because testing is frozen, unstable becomes "slushy" |
| 18:58.09 | sinisterstuf | is that a technical term? :) |
| 18:58.13 | ectospasm | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-ftparchives.en.html#s-testing |
| 18:58.36 | abrotman | !slushy |
| 18:58.36 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 18:58.49 | ManoftheSea | roboman2444: look at stable, it's on .32 |
| 18:59.01 | ManoftheSea | so, testing will use 3.2 for the next year or two |
| 18:59.07 | roboman2444 | .32? |
| 18:59.09 | abrotman | no ... |
| 18:59.11 | roboman2444 | oh 2.6 |
| 18:59.12 | ManoftheSea | er... wheezy will |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: incorrect |
| 18:59.18 | ManoftheSea | oh? |
| 18:59.24 | abrotman | ah, yes, but testing will not |
| 18:59.27 | roboman2444 | testing and wheezy are different |
| 18:59.31 | ManoftheSea | yeah, my bad. |
| 18:59.33 | roboman2444 | testing is ALWAYS testing |
| 18:59.42 | roboman2444 | wheezy is testing, then stable, then oldstable |
| 18:59.45 | ManoftheSea | I repent! |
| 19:00.08 | ectospasm | heh, the only one that has a stable nomenclature is sid! (-; |
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| 19:00.12 | abrotman | roboman2444: so after whrezy releases and testig "reopens", it will get something newer than 3.2 |
| 19:00.13 | ectospasm | sid is always unstable |
| 19:00.17 | ectospasm | unstable is always sid |
| 19:00.28 | ManoftheSea | ok, so abrotman said what I should have. |
| 19:00.40 | ManoftheSea | testing will go newer once wheezy is no longer testing |
| 19:00.42 | abrotman | without the typos :) |
| 19:00.59 | abrotman | yay, phone keyboard :) |
| 19:01.02 | roboman2444 | right |
| 19:01.20 | roboman2444 | debian's release system is very weird |
| 19:01.30 | roboman2444 | with the frozen and slushy and all that junk |
| 19:01.32 | abrotman | not really |
| 19:01.39 | mmnicolas | it's very sane |
| 19:01.41 | ManoftheSea | it's good. |
| 19:01.42 | ksuhku | it's what makes it so exceptionally good |
| 19:01.51 | abrotman | better than it used to be, by far |
| 19:01.54 | abrotman | IMO |
| 19:02.20 | roboman2444 | hm |
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| 19:02.39 | roboman2444 | well i would just have a stable, testing, and THIS IS THE NEWEST SHIT WE COULD GET OUR HANDS ON releases |
| 19:03.09 | ectospasm | ksuhku: I think it makes a lot of sense, compared to other distros I've used. |
| 19:03.25 | roboman2444 | we all agree, pclinuxos SUCKS |
| 19:03.30 | ectospasm | Slackware (at least the last time I used it), had no rhyme or reason to the release cycle |
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| 19:03.53 | wjtaylor | is there a way to find out what is using a kernel mod, so I can unload it? |
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| 19:04.08 | ManoftheSea | wjtaylor: lspci -k | less |
| 19:04.11 | ManoftheSea | search for name |
| 19:04.20 | ectospasm | Gentoo was always bleeding edge, but that meant you had to be quite adept at fixing breakage, and I found I didn't have the time |
| 19:04.24 | ManoftheSea | though, you can see the reference count in lsmod |
| 19:04.39 | ksuhku | wjtaylor, you checked lsmod in case another mod is using it? |
| 19:06.04 | ectospasm | Ubuntu was the exact opposite, which is what led me to Debian. |
| 19:06.42 | ectospasm | I found Ubuntu's six-month release cycle to be too fast, and it was so crammed with junk |
| 19:06.43 | wjtaylor | ksuhku: I ran lsmod and it says easycap 1259696 1 then nothing. The other mods say their used by esycap. |
| 19:06.47 | ectospasm | ...and there I'll stop. |
| 19:06.57 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:07.17 | abrotman | wjtaylor: which module? |
| 19:07.22 | ksuhku | ectospasm, I completely agree |
| 19:07.24 | wjtaylor | easycap |
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| 19:07.29 | abrotman | oh, duh |
| 19:08.06 | roboman2444 | what about arch? |
| 19:08.18 | wjtaylor | there's got to be a command that tells you what's using the module... after all it knows it's being used. |
| 19:08.35 | ectospasm | roboman2444: I haven't read anything about arch that makes me want to try it |
| 19:09.09 | roboman2444 | i heard that packages you have to compile yourself |
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| 19:09.22 | roboman2444 | so whatever package manager compiles the thing when you install it |
| 19:09.23 | ectospasm | roboman2444: I didn't know arch was source based. |
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| 19:09.33 | ectospasm | Gentoo is definitely source based |
| 19:09.39 | abrotman | and now back to debian ... |
| 19:09.49 | ectospasm | yeah, take this to #debian-offtopic |
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| 19:10.04 | abrotman | thanks :) |
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| 19:11.39 | wjtaylor | I'm going to reboot and if that doesn't work I'm going to force. Catch you all on the flipside. |
| 19:11.40 | roboman2444 | what are good ways of speeding up boot? |
| 19:11.42 | beboj | Hi i have built-in modem 3g Wireless 5620 EVDO-HSPA Mobile Broadband Mini-Card and it dosent work, not visible in lsusb or lspci, any ideas? |
| 19:11.56 | roboman2444 | beboj, it doesnt work, period |
| 19:12.00 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:12.08 | abrotman | beboj: hardware switch? |
| 19:12.12 | roboman2444 | unless it works on windaws, then its a driver prob |
| 19:12.21 | beboj | yeah windows.... |
| 19:12.35 | beboj | it works on 7 |
| 19:13.05 | abrotman | beboj: toggled the Fn switch? |
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| 19:13.36 | ksuhku | beboj, did you check out the network manager applet for "mobile broadband"? |
| 19:14.03 | beboj | already checked.. nbothing |
| 19:14.11 | beboj | *nothing |
| 19:14.15 | abrotman | fn swithch? |
| 19:15.46 | beboj | no fn switch to this one |
| 19:16.08 | abrotman | my laptop has both a physical and soft wswitch |
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| 19:16.43 | obiwahn | is it possible to wirte a udev rule or similar that changes the permissions of a file in /sys? |
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| 19:17.34 | ksuhku | beboj, are we talking about stable here? perhaps a newer kernel would be worth trying |
| 19:18.53 | abrotman | the hardware tools in linux dont see it |
| 19:19.30 | abrotman | anything in dmesg? |
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| 19:25.10 | beboj | i dont see anything according to this shit.. im gonna try with this https://nowhere.dk/articles/ubuntu-natty-making-a-gobi-2000-wireless-modem-work |
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| 19:28.25 | ManoftheSea | beboj: qcserial? |
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| 19:28.59 | ManoftheSea | beboj: I have a Dell 5630, network manager can see/use it without gobi-loader |
| 19:29.26 | ManoftheSea | Though, admittedly, it only goes to t-mo's site, and disconnects/disappears after a few minutes. |
| 19:29.30 | ManoftheSea | on wheezy |
| 19:30.00 | ManoftheSea | support was supposedly added in .35 |
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| 19:30.06 | ManoftheSea | stable is too old. |
| 19:30.10 | ManoftheSea | Need backports |
| 19:31.11 | ManoftheSea | hmm, according to your link, maybe I do need gobi-loader |
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| 19:51.16 | grzeslaw | hello guys. have anyone idea. how to write the rule which will be recognize the removable media in fstab? I need to made the script which must run over hundred servers.. and I would like to automate it.. |
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| 19:51.58 | grzeslaw | but I know that removable will be floppy cdrom.. and this is simple.. but what about usb/external drives.. |
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| 19:53.11 | ManoftheSea | grzeslaw: identify by UUID |
| 19:53.22 | ManoftheSea | you can use UUID=abcdefg-stuff in fstab |
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| 20:14.49 | grzeslaw | ManoftheSea: yes I could. but how can I know is it a removable media or is it a local hard disc? |
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| 20:21.28 | ManoftheSea | grzeslaw: oh, I thought you meant "identify a specific drive in many computers" |
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| 20:21.39 | ManoftheSea | usb looks like an internal drive. |
| 20:21.46 | ManoftheSea | I don't know how you'd do that. |
| 20:23.09 | grzeslaw | ManoftheSea: but I could prevent mounting usb drives.. |
| 20:23.18 | grzeslaw | then that will be more esay i think |
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| 20:23.57 | grzeslaw | but if I will exclude usb mounting.. then I will have only the cdrom and floppy, right? |
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| 20:24.35 | ManoftheSea | grzeslaw: debian mounts cd to /media/cdrom, I think |
| 20:24.47 | ManoftheSea | I'm not clear on your question. |
| 20:25.06 | irule | hi, I STILL get an error on mysql / debian 6.0.5 , already resinstalled after deleting /var/lib/mysql, please help "mysql.general_log Error : You can't use locks with log tables." "mysql.slow_log Error : You can't use locks with log tables. status : OK" |
| 20:25.07 | grzeslaw | it does not metter what os.. cdrom and floppy are always in the same name |
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| 20:25.43 | ManoftheSea | irule: sounds like a mysql problem. |
| 20:26.14 | ManoftheSea | It sounds like you're trying to use locks with log tables. Use a chipboard table instead. |
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| 20:26.29 | ManoftheSea | then, you don't need to lock them, no one would steal a chipboard table. |
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| 20:28.41 | irule | ManoftheSea huh? |
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| 20:30.45 | ManoftheSea | irule, have you asked on a mysql channel? |
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| 20:32.09 | irule | yes, pure silence |
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| 20:48.56 | jackk_ | Hi, whenever I try and set the owner for a folder, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/zJc5rMf4 |
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| 20:50.48 | ManoftheSea | jackk_: sudo won't read the file if it's not owned by root |
| 20:51.04 | ManoftheSea | jackk_: you may have to reboot into single user, if you can't become root some other way |
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| 20:51.30 | abrotman | jackk_: why can't you just use 'su' ? |
| 20:51.50 | jackk_ | abrotman: I don't know my root password. |
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| 20:52.01 | jackk_ | Neither can I change it. |
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| 20:52.10 | abrotman | !tell jackk_ about irfp |
| 20:52.12 | ManoftheSea | well, if you don't know, it's not yours, is it? |
| 20:52.13 | abrotman | !tell jackk_ about ifrp |
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| 20:52.57 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: wow, that's hard to read. |
| 20:52.59 | jackk_ | ManoftheSea: No, it's a school computer. |
| 20:53.15 | ManoftheSea | jackk_: then you'll need your sysadmin to fix it. |
| 20:53.36 | jackk_ | How? It's a stolen computer. |
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| 20:53.53 | ManoftheSea | um... |
| 20:54.02 | abrotman | .... |
| 20:54.11 | jackk_ | Maybe I shouldn't of told you that, but oh well. |
| 20:54.20 | abrotman | jackk_: please return the computer, have a nice day |
| 20:54.22 | ManoftheSea | you're not getting any support. |
| 20:54.42 | jackk_ | I didn't steal it. |
| 20:54.49 | jackk_ | Someone else did. |
| 20:54.50 | abrotman | it's still stolen, return it |
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| 20:55.09 | jackk_ | Will GRUB be locked? I want to boot a new OS onto it. |
| 20:55.26 | ManoftheSea | please return the computer. |
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| 20:55.30 | abrotman | jackk_: which OS is on the system? which OS would you liike to install? |
| 20:56.02 | jackk_ | I want to install Debian, but Linux Mint is currently installed on the system |
| 20:56.10 | abrotman | jackk_: so ask the admin/owner to help you |
| 20:56.42 | jackk_ | I know how to install Debian, I just want to know if GRUB is locked |
| 20:56.50 | abrotman | we don't know, we don't support Mint |
| 20:57.03 | jackk_ | that's got nothing to do with Mint |
| 20:57.15 | jackk_ | it's got to do with GRUB |
| 20:57.16 | abrotman | The system is running Mint, we don't support it |
| 20:57.30 | jackk_ | shit, sorry, I meant to say the BIOS |
| 20:57.31 | abrotman | jackk_: i suggest you /part, and return the system. |
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| 20:57.45 | abrotman | jackk_: Debian doesn't control your BIOS either |
| 20:57.45 | jackk_ | will the BIOS be locked? |
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| 20:58.04 | abrotman | jackk_: return the computer, this channel is publicly logged, i'm sure the FBI will want to talk to you |
| 20:58.11 | ManoftheSea | jackk_: grub is supported in #grub |
| 20:58.17 | abrotman | it's not a gurb problem either |
| 20:58.25 | abrotman | he doesn't know how to use a computer apparently |
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| 20:59.27 | Belial` | anyone know when kde 4.9 might go into the sid repos? |
| 20:59.45 | abrotman | Belial`: probalby after the wheezy release |
| 21:00.21 | Belial` | ah. so not until next year then? |
| 21:00.34 | abrotman | perhaps .. |
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| 21:11.31 | nickz1234 | hellow, is debian very user friendly? |
| 21:11.38 | abrotman | nickz1234: we still know it's you .. |
| 21:11.44 | nickz1234 | dammit |
| 21:11.46 | nickz1234 | xD |
| 21:11.54 | nickz1234 | how?! |
| 21:11.57 | abrotman | not the brightest bulb in the pack .. |
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| 21:12.03 | nickz1234 | but........ |
| 21:12.17 | nickz1234 | Can I still stay here? |
| 21:12.24 | nickz1234 | I will return the computer |
| 21:12.30 | abrotman | oh jeez .. |
| 21:12.44 | nickz1234 | ? |
| 21:12.47 | abrotman | nickz1234: please stay on topic, the BIOS, Mint, and the stolen computer are offtopic |
| 21:13.02 | nickz1234 | okay |
| 21:13.31 | nickz1234 | abrotman: it was a joke btw... |
| 21:13.37 | abrotman | nickz1234: no, it wasn't |
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| 21:17.33 | Topol | abrotman: Is there any channel helping with Localhost Environ Setup? |
| 21:17.43 | abrotman | what? |
| 21:17.51 | abrotman | Topol: for which applicatoin ? |
| 21:17.55 | Topol | Apache |
| 21:18.04 | abrotman | Topol: #httpd |
| 21:18.05 | Topol | And /var/www |
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| 21:18.07 | Topol | kk |
| 21:18.08 | Topol | thanks |
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| 21:19.31 | nickz1234 | is support for Debian servers allowed here? |
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| 21:21.59 | Topol | .... |
| 21:22.07 | Topol | lol nickz1234 |
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| 21:22.37 | nickz1234 | well I'm sorry |
| 21:22.43 | nickz1234 | Okay, I have Apache installed and need to replace it with nginx. I've uninstalled Apache, all my files are stored in /var/www, if I install nginx will it automatically work for all of them, or will nginx make new folders for itself? |
| 21:23.27 | Topol | I guess it will automatically work |
| 21:23.35 | Topol | I could ask one of my friends later |
| 21:24.06 | nickz1234 | ohwkayydokey |
| 21:24.44 | Topol | nickz1234: Go to irc.windfyre.net #blackhats |
| 21:24.59 | nickz1234 | why? |
| 21:25.14 | Topol | If you want to ask about nginx |
| 21:25.19 | Topol | Thats the right place |
| 21:25.26 | nickz1234 | ohwkayydokey |
| 21:26.44 | gotmynick | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html |
| 21:26.49 | gotmynick | see 11.5, point 4 |
| 21:26.51 | gotmynick | it should |
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| 21:27.56 | gotmynick | mmm well, the policy does not say that, but it will use /var/www as default documment root, yes |
| 21:29.08 | gotmynick | even with the same user (and userid) than apache (www-data, 33:33) |
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| 21:32.32 | nickz1234 | anyone know how i can speed up my internet? |
| 21:32.38 | nickz1234 | I only have 2Mbit connection |
| 21:32.38 | Topol | gtfo |
| 21:32.42 | Topol | Its time to leave |
| 21:32.45 | nickz1234 | why? |
| 21:32.47 | Topol | Because |
| 21:32.48 | abrotman | nickz1234: you need to stay on topic, last warning |
| 21:32.58 | Topol | THis is freenode |
| 21:33.00 | Topol | not Anonops |
| 21:33.19 | nickz1234 | okay, I thought that was on topic |
| 21:33.43 | Topol | ... |
| 21:33.46 | Topol | !topic |
| 21:33.48 | Topol | Oh |
| 21:33.53 | Topol | that doesnt work here |
| 21:33.53 | nickz1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.25 | Topol | Do you use Debian? |
| 21:34.53 | nickz1234 | Topol: I hope to, but I get errors. |
| 21:35.03 | abrotman | Topol: he's not |
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| 21:35.07 | Topol | The error is your brain |
| 21:35.09 | ManoftheSea | I feel like I'm missing an interesting conversation now... |
| 21:35.22 | Topol | Start of with Ubuntu, hahahaha |
| 21:35.36 | Topol | I hope you like Unity |
| 21:35.41 | nickz1234 | I did, but I hate Unity |
| 21:35.47 | nickz1234 | looks so ugly |
| 21:35.51 | Topol | ^ |
| 21:35.55 | abrotman | not on-topic |
| 21:35.59 | Topol | sudo apt-get xfce4 |
| 21:35.59 | nickz1234 | oops sorry |
| 21:36.17 | abrotman | Topol: please don't troll him |
| 21:36.22 | Topol | kk |
| 21:36.24 | nickz1234 | i want to try an advanced distro like Debian |
| 21:36.28 | gotmynick | E: Invalid operation xfce4 |
| 21:36.33 | Topol | O_o |
| 21:36.41 | abrotman | Topol: you left out the verb |
| 21:36.43 | nickz1234 | I want to learn... |
| 21:36.55 | Topol | install |
| 21:36.57 | Topol | my bad |
| 21:36.59 | Topol | I use root |
| 21:37.05 | Topol | dem sudos |
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| 21:38.39 | ManoftheSea | I shall sing the Debian-is-great song. |
| 21:38.52 | nickz1234 | is it safe to use root all the time as my user? |
| 21:38.57 | Topol | LOL |
| 21:39.01 | Topol | omg |
| 21:39.03 | abrotman | Topol: please use /ignore |
| 21:39.06 | nickz1234 | I hate having to keep logging in all the time |
| 21:39.08 | Topol | alright |
| 21:39.48 | nickz1234 | is there at least a way to not have to put in my password everytime i have to remove software |
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| 21:41.08 | nickz1234 | I guess not then |
| 21:41.42 | engla | nickz1234: well you could setup sudo to allow certain commands without password |
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| 21:41.51 | engla | or just have a very long sudo timeout |
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| 21:42.53 | irule | hi, I STILL get an error on mysql / debian 6.0.5 , already resinstalled after deleting /var/lib/mysql, please help "mysql.general_log Error : You can't use locks with log tables." "mysql.slow_log Error : You can't use locks with log tables. status : OK" |
| 21:42.57 | lelu | hey all |
| 21:43.12 | nicknamedp | lelu: good morning |
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| 21:43.54 | ManoftheSea | hello lelu. irule you need to get help from mysql. |
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| 21:45.14 | lelu | this is likely a silly question but I have a dell 2950 with two eth ports. While bench testing for the past week it has had no problems connecting to my switch on either nic and accessing network. Today I spent three painful hours in the datacenter trying to debug the lights on the nic not lighting up… is there anything in debian which would switch those off or disable the nic while still displaying it in ifconfig? |
| 21:45.24 | lelu | or is it likely a hardware failure? |
| 21:45.38 | ManoftheSea | lelu: if you didn't intend to, it's probably not debian. |
| 21:45.42 | ManoftheSea | There is ethtool. |
| 21:45.52 | ManoftheSea | Don't forget to check the cables. |
| 21:47.37 | nicknamedp | Anyone know whhyy Debian costs $28? |
| 21:47.44 | nicknamedp | the disk does |
| 21:47.53 | nicknamedp | and ubuntu costs like $5 |
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| 21:48.02 | lelu | ManoftheSea: only thing I did was update the network config so it was static and not dhcp… I am thinking the drac card (dells build in kvm) was upsetting things… still at least now I'm sure its not the install :) |
| 21:48.30 | ManoftheSea | lelu: do you have an auto eth0 line? |
| 21:48.40 | lelu | yeah |
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| 21:49.17 | ManoftheSea | you might attempt running dhclient eth0 manually |
| 21:49.21 | ManoftheSea | see if it makes a difference |
| 21:50.18 | lelu | also… should I have the line allow-hotplug commented out? it is atm |
| 21:50.51 | lelu | in my old rack we used to have all servers on dhcp and then the router would assign ip's based upon mac address… so i have actually never had to set a static ip in debian :s |
| 21:51.25 | ManoftheSea | lelu: would you pastebin the config file? |
| 21:51.55 | nicknamedp | is Debian based on Ubuntu? |
| 21:52.09 | ectospasm | nicknamedp: yes |
| 21:52.18 | ManoftheSea | ectospasm: no |
| 21:52.18 | ectospasm | !debian-based |
| 21:52.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 21:52.31 | ectospasm | ManoftheSea: I read that TOTALLY wrong |
| 21:52.33 | lelu | ManoftheSea: http://pastebin.com/7xV2nFvu |
| 21:52.52 | nicknamedp | is it based on itself if you know what i mean? |
| 21:52.55 | ectospasm | ...my ongoing troubles with opposites |
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| 21:53.05 | ectospasm | nicknamedp: Ubuntu is based on debian |
| 21:53.18 | nicknamedp | Oh, okay. |
| 21:53.21 | nicknamedp | ty |
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| 21:53.31 | lelu | ubuntu is based on debian in the same way that osx is based upon unix ;) |
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| 21:53.43 | ectospasm | lelu: well, what IS UNIX? |
| 21:53.54 | ManoftheSea | it's a certification. |
| 21:54.09 | ectospasm | ManoftheSea: I know, but OS X is not based on that certification |
| 21:54.37 | nicknamedp | os x i hate it suck |
| 21:54.41 | ectospasm | ...it's based on BSD, which is a type of UNIX |
| 21:54.45 | lelu | forgets sarcasm is incompatible with tcp/ip |
| 21:54.45 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 21:54.46 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:54.58 | ectospasm | take this to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:55.01 | ManoftheSea | lelu: that all looks right. |
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| 21:55.44 | calzifer | has never seen someone in this channel with op :o |
| 21:56.42 | Topol | abrotman |
| 21:57.02 | Topol | Based on circulated opinion, would you consider Linux, Unix? |
| 21:57.33 | lelu | ManoftheSea: thanks for taking a look. I suspect it was screwed up when I tried setting my DRAC card's settings to share the same nic rather than use its own dedicated nic port. |
| 21:57.42 | mmnicolas | Topol: support channel |
| 21:57.45 | ectospasm | Topol: this is off topic, take it to #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:59.21 | jimi_ | After using HDMI out, the only options I have for my video card are 800x600 and 1024x780... i used to have a lot more than this... |
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| 22:04.46 | SwK | so I'm looking to install 80 debian servers... whats the recommended way to get them all installed via PXE? FAI or preseeding D-I ? |
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| 22:05.08 | abrotman | SwK: either is perfectly acceptable |
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| 22:05.24 | abrotman | SwK: i think most are probably using preseeding |
| 22:06.21 | SwK | looks like theres more about preseeding then FAI out there or my google foo could be failing me lol |
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| 22:06.42 | abrotman | SwK: FAI was popular some time ago .. preseeding seems to be the preferred method now |
| 22:07.03 | QQmelo | SwK, |
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| 22:07.12 | QQmelo | any doubt, preseed |
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| 22:07.31 | QQmelo | sorry, without any doubt, preseed |
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| 22:08.22 | SwK | abrotman: QQmelo : thanks |
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| 22:10.26 | abrotman | but as i asked .. is "Unix™" still relevant ? |
| 22:10.26 | QQmelo | you can run custom scripts with di late-command |
| 22:10.29 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:10.37 | QQmelo | abrotman, |
| 22:10.42 | QQmelo | yes, for propietarys apps |
| 22:10.49 | abrotman | QQmelo: wrong channel, don't respond :) |
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| 22:11.11 | QQmelo | ? |
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| 22:12.50 | SwK | QQmelo: yeah thats what I was looking at... I do have some post install scripts that need to be ran... but its doesnt appear to be a big deal with preseeding |
| 22:13.30 | QQmelo | one minute SwK |
| 22:13.37 | QQmelo | i 'll search one example |
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| 22:13.53 | SwK | QQmelo: I've been looking at preseeding omre then FAI |
| 22:13.58 | SwK | I was just wondering which was better |
| 22:14.15 | QQmelo | d-i preseed/late_command string /bin/sh /cdrom/copiar.sh ; in-target /bin/sh /root/correr.sh |
| 22:14.33 | QQmelo | for example, you must generate copiar.sh file, |
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| 22:14.38 | SwK | yep |
| 22:14.48 | QQmelo | and then, in chroot enviroment, you 'll run correr.sh |
| 22:15.01 | QQmelo | copiar.sh 'll generate the script called "correr.sh" |
| 22:15.05 | SwK | what I'm looking at is netbooting everything, then installing from a local mirror |
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| 22:15.29 | SwK | most everything extra is packages anyway, even have a couple of custom packages so that should make life easier |
| 22:16.03 | QQmelo | yes..... you should take a look a distro called "canaima" |
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| 22:16.26 | QQmelo | they install your own flavour or squeeze using d-i |
| 22:16.40 | abrotman | you can already do that with Debian and pre-seeding |
| 22:16.49 | QQmelo | and , install burg (replacing grub ) with d-i |
| 22:16.50 | gotmynick | debian-installer has wget, so instead of cp the sh from the cdrom, you can wget it from the mirror |
| 22:16.50 | QQmelo | yes |
| 22:17.17 | SwK | gotmynick: that wasnt my original question... my original question was which is better preseeding or FAI |
| 22:17.26 | SwK | it appears the former is better then the later |
| 22:17.26 | QQmelo | yes gotmynick ., but I don't configure ethernet in my distro |
| 22:18.07 | QQmelo | because if the ppl don't have access to the net, then they don't allowed to download wget |
| 22:18.25 | SwK | the one thing I need to do is custom spun preseed file per server... theres gotta be a way to do that too lol |
| 22:18.25 | gotmynick | SwK, I don't have experience with FAI, sorry, can't answer properly |
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| 22:18.46 | QQmelo | SwK, |
| 22:19.02 | QQmelo | why do you need one preseed per server? |
| 22:19.16 | SwK | QQmelo: total automatted install including static IPs |
| 22:19.27 | QQmelo | nonono |
| 22:19.34 | SwK | yes |
| 22:19.36 | QQmelo | You can skip the network configuration |
| 22:19.39 | SwK | no i cant |
| 22:19.47 | QQmelo | I skip the step... and then |
| 22:20.06 | QQmelo | I run a "firstboot" script, where the user configure the hostname and the ip, netmask , etc |
| 22:20.15 | SwK | that is not possible |
| 22:20.19 | SwK | well it is |
| 22:20.19 | QQmelo | but, I use cdrom |
| 22:20.24 | QQmelo | no pxe |
| 22:20.29 | SwK | but I'm not manually IPing 80 servers |
| 22:20.32 | SwK | these are not workstations |
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| 22:21.17 | QQmelo | ok, you must fixed the IP through dhcp? |
| 22:21.26 | QQmelo | and, in netcfg, use dhcp? |
| 22:22.00 | SwK | cant afford to rely on DHCP once the servers are in production |
| 22:22.06 | SwK | 1 more moving part to eliminate |
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| 22:22.42 | SwK | it looks like preseeding will retrieve the preseed file via http |
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| 22:23.49 | SwK | if thats the case and it works right, once the network has been setup that way, it should be simple enough to statically configure the machine in the right bits so on reboot it comes back with the right address... all I need is a list of the mac addresses to feed the script with |
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| 22:24.24 | QQmelo | yes |
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| 22:39.20 | lelu | which would be the best way to install java on my debian server? |
| 22:40.05 | Blue1 | lelu: http://pkill-9.com/easy-way-to-install-java-runtime-enviorment-jre-in-debian/ |
| 22:42.01 | lelu | Blue1: how come it required x11-common? |
| 22:42.32 | Blue1 | lelu: I don't know - |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | lelu: |
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| 22:43.06 | lelu | oh well.. i don't much like installing desktop packages on a server, but if its required for me to run java applets so be it |
| 22:43.13 | lelu | abrotman: yes? |
| 22:45.03 | Blue1 | lelu: maybe you can google installing java on a server -- |
| 22:45.35 | lelu | Blue1: I make a point of not asking here until I have googled… the information I found was conflicting with one another |
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| 22:45.37 | lelu | ;) |
| 22:46.09 | Blue1 | lelu: okay - the recipe I gave is what I used -- as always YMMV applies |
| 22:46.24 | Rotaerk | hmm, is there something preventing Citrix Receiver from being added to the debian package system |
| 22:46.36 | Rotaerk | I mean, it'd have to go into non-free but... |
| 22:46.37 | Blue1 | lelu: yes I ran into a lot of conflicting information - which is why I made that post. |
| 22:48.32 | abrotman | lelu: moment |
| 22:48.49 | abrotman | lelu: that's ont really a desktop package |
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| 22:49.21 | abrotman | Rotaerk: probably can't be redistributed |
| 22:49.33 | abrotman | Rotaerk: you can extract the license/ToS and send them to the debian-legal mailing list and see |
| 22:49.40 | Rotaerk | ah |
| 22:49.58 | abrotman | Rotaerk: or, no one has been interested to do it |
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| 22:50.36 | Rotaerk | I got it installed on my Sid installation of Debian, but it was kind of a pain |
| 22:50.59 | Rotaerk | once I resolved the dependencies, and then installed citrix, it still failed to run some post-installation script |
| 22:51.14 | abrotman | well, ideally, the DD would fix that |
| 22:51.15 | Rotaerk | ended up having to edit the post-installation script, fix the bug, and run it again |
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| 23:03.12 | user | How do I get the Debian .iso onto a USB stick without Unetbootin? |
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| 23:03.43 | abrotman | how many times do I need to ban you? |
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| 23:04.13 | Yans | Hello |
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| 23:06.15 | SwK | java (Oracle Java) that is, cant be included in Debian |
| 23:06.36 | SwK | w0w lol scroll back bit me |
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| 23:14.22 | joules | hi, using debootscrap, can't figure out what --second-stage does...even when its invoked it gives an error "cat: /usr/share/debootstrap/suite: No such file or directory" any tips? |
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| 23:21.14 | engla | joules: relevant for setups with --foreign first |
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| 23:24.07 | LiDaR | hello everyone |
| 23:25.40 | sssilver | Hi, how can I install two different versions of the same package in Debian on the same system? |
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| 23:26.31 | ManoftheSea | sssilver: it's hard. why would you? |
| 23:26.45 | LiDaR | sssilver, seems silly but a chroot would work |
| 23:26.48 | ManoftheSea | sssilver: you could make use of a chroot. |
| 23:27.04 | LiDaR | ManoftheSea, copy cat |
| 23:27.05 | ManoftheSea | if you describe a little more, maybe you don't need the multiversion? |
| 23:27.19 | sssilver | ManoftheSea: because I work with different versions of PostgreSQL or PHP for different customers. In Gentoo I use eselect. Is there an equivalent in Debian? |
| 23:27.27 | ManoftheSea | LiDaR: imatation, flattery, etc. |
| 23:28.00 | ManoftheSea | sssilver: Sounds like a job for lightweight containers. |
| 23:28.24 | sssilver | ManoftheSea: lightweight containers? |
| 23:28.47 | ManoftheSea | chroot, lxc, systemd |
| 23:29.17 | sssilver | o.O too much work |
| 23:29.31 | sssilver | that's not really "debian", that's Linux :) |
| 23:29.53 | LiDaR | sssilver, could always use virtual box |
| 23:30.23 | sssilver | LiDaR: a whole separate OS installation? or something else |
| 23:31.00 | LiDaR | sssilver, yeah one option |
| 23:31.07 | ManoftheSea | well, you can debootstrap your container. |
| 23:31.46 | sssilver | nah, my question is -- does Debian offer a method for easily "slotting" packages. |
| 23:32.05 | sssilver | obviously, virtual machine is not what I'm looking for |
| 23:32.14 | ManoftheSea | not that I know. |
| 23:33.04 | sssilver | :( |
| 23:33.05 | Yans | Fatal server error Server already active for display 0: wtf? |
| 23:33.36 | LiDaR | Yans, from a shell using startx ? |
| 23:33.40 | Yans | remove /tmp/X0-lock and start again |
| 23:33.45 | Yans | No from installator |
| 23:33.52 | Yans | Ill try to install distro |
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| 23:34.25 | Yans | After switch off. Becuase ill see only black screen |
| 23:35.23 | LiDaR | that sounds broken |
| 23:35.29 | Rotaerk | is it unwise to use the unstable branch for my primary OS? |
| 23:35.55 | Yans | Broken what? |
| 23:35.58 | Yans | ;p |
| 23:36.05 | abrotman | Rotaerk: probably |
| 23:36.08 | Rotaerk | I switched to that to get multiarch support, but now I'm tempted to revert to stable and try chroot for setting-up citrix |
| 23:36.09 | LiDaR | Rotaerk, is it just your desktop / hobby machine ? |
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| 23:36.17 | ManoftheSea | Rotaerk: is the computer important? |
| 23:36.22 | abrotman | does the data matter? |
| 23:36.27 | Yans | My brain is already broken becuase ill 6 diffrent WM |
| 23:36.36 | Yans | And always same... |
| 23:36.44 | Rotaerk | hmm... the data can matter, but I'll probably have the important data backed-up |
| 23:36.57 | ManoftheSea | then have fun. |
| 23:37.01 | abrotman | does the system need to work on a daily basis? |
| 23:37.08 | Rotaerk | I'd prefer it to |
| 23:37.14 | abrotman | probably not wise then |
| 23:37.17 | LiDaR | i always run unstable on my desktops its great |
| 23:37.28 | qw12 | i have a cron job script that i put in cron.hourly, how to make it report it via email to root ? |
| 23:37.35 | Rotaerk | it's not like I'm using it professionally, but I don't like to be like "I'm in the mood for game X" or "I'm in the mood to do Y" |
| 23:37.42 | Rotaerk | and then find that it's broken |
| 23:37.55 | ManoftheSea | qw12: output the output to mail |
| 23:37.58 | LiDaR | Rotaerk, better stick with something stable then |
| 23:38.09 | SomeoneWeird | anyone know why Xorg segfaults when i try to install AMD drivers? |
| 23:38.36 | Rotaerk | hmm to downgrade back to stable, does that pretty much require reinstallation of debian |
| 23:38.38 | peterrooney | SomeoneWeird: due to closed nature, only AMD could know. |
| 23:38.43 | Rotaerk | read somewhere that it's "impossible" |
| 23:39.03 | SomeoneWeird | peterrooney, heh, true |
| 23:39.11 | ectospasm | Rotaerk: yes, downgrade is a reinstall |
| 23:39.14 | Rotaerk | k |
| 23:39.19 | Rotaerk | bbl |
| 23:39.20 | ectospasm | Rotaerk: should probably format for good measure |
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| 23:40.38 | Rotaerk | k thanks |
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| 23:40.49 | qw12 | ManoftheSea: how to do that ? do i have to put the script into another script b and call b from a with redirectoin or something like that ? |
| 23:41.22 | qw12 | in iptables, what does --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable mean ? i didn't add this option, just put REJECT, but iptables-save shows this |
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| 23:41.54 | ManoftheSea | qw12: yes, probably. |
| 23:42.04 | ManoftheSea | though cron may have an output option I don't remember |
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| 23:42.34 | abrotman | you can set the MAILTO |
| 23:42.38 | ManoftheSea | qw12: it means it will send back that error message |
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| 23:49.55 | joules | engla: thanks |
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| 23:53.14 | qw12 | in iptables, what does --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable mean ? i didn't add this option, just put REJECT, but iptables-save shows this |
| 23:53.31 | ectospasm | qw12: I think that's a default |
| 23:53.34 | ManoftheSea | qw12: it has to reject with some message. |
| 23:53.36 | ManoftheSea | That's the default |
| 23:53.54 | ManoftheSea | It means, when used properly, "This port doesn't respond" |
| 23:53.54 | ectospasm | it means when something tries to access the given port, the system will respond with ICMP unreachable |
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| 23:55.11 | ManoftheSea | In a well-behaved network, it tells the sender not to send any more, because there's no one listening. |
| 23:55.30 | asciiker | anyone could tell me how to install old VMWare Server 2 in Debian 6? |
| 23:55.35 | qw12 | ectospasm: ManoftheSea: ok, is that the same message if nothing were running using that port and the port is basically closed, or is th emessage slightly different ? |
| 23:55.56 | abrotman | asciiker: there's a wiki page for it |
| 23:56.12 | ManoftheSea | hmm... I'd have to check the webs. |
| 23:56.14 | asciiker | abortman: searching.... |
| 23:56.19 | ManoftheSea | I think it's different. |
| 23:56.26 | ectospasm | qw12: if someone sends a packet to just that port, they'll think the host is unreachable |
| 23:56.36 | ectospasm | at least that's how I read it |
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