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| 00:05.54 | qw12 | ectospasm: ok, would it be same as port being closed ? |
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| 00:06.45 | ectospasm | qw12: more like the host ain't reachable |
| 00:07.04 | ectospasm | a closed port will normally send a RST |
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| 00:07.54 | ectospasm | I don't know enough about ICMP intricacies to know if someone can dissect the ICMP packet to tell which host returned it |
| 00:08.20 | qw12 | ectospasm: is there a way to jus respond (or not respond) just as if the port were closed ? |
| 00:08.33 | qw12 | ectospasm: and is the messages exactly same as what i would see when i use telnet ? |
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| 00:09.09 | ectospasm | qw12: so you want the system to not be totally hidden, just respond with RST |
| 00:09.23 | ectospasm | then don't have an explicit firewall rule, and make sure nothing is listening on that port |
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| 00:11.51 | qw12 | ectospasm: i want to test the route between 3 machines on my LAN and i want to block the port on Machine A from Machine B, bu tnot C, so its ip address dependent |
| 00:12.02 | qw12 | ectospasm: i will look up RST |
| 00:12.30 | ectospasm | qw12: RST is a TCP flag |
| 00:12.38 | ectospasm | ...one out of six |
| 00:13.22 | qw12 | ectospasm: so that makes it exactly equivalent to port being closed ? |
| 00:14.19 | ectospasm | right |
| 00:14.38 | ectospasm | and it's my understanding if the port is closed, it will respond with RST automagically |
| 00:14.44 | ectospasm | ...without any firewall |
| 00:15.08 | ectospasm | ...depending on the firewall config, it'll usually just drop the packet, without even an ICMP unreachable message |
| 00:15.23 | qw12 | ectospasm: if there was no firewall ? |
| 00:15.30 | qw12 | ectospasm: ok, i see it is RST |
| 00:15.39 | qw12 | ectospasm: thanks that was helpful |
| 00:16.13 | ectospasm | qw12: no problem! |
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| 00:33.51 | arvinall | Hi everyone |
| 00:33.51 | arvinall | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.51 | arvinall | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.10 | ectospasm | arvinall: depends on which image you get |
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| 00:34.52 | arvinall | 32 bit for pc |
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| 00:37.04 | ectospasm | arvinall: not enough input |
| 00:37.15 | ectospasm | arvinall: there isn't just one image for i386 |
| 00:37.34 | ectospasm | there's netinst (my personal favorite), or various CD and DVD images... |
| 00:37.50 | ectospasm | http://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 00:38.08 | ectospasm | actually, I use the businesscard images |
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| 00:42.53 | arvinall | tnx |
| 00:42.53 | arvinall | can you help me to choice my image? gnome , 32 bit , i386 , offline installer |
| 00:44.28 | ectospasm | arvinall: will this machine have an unfettered Internet connection during the install? |
| 00:45.10 | arvinall | yes but i want offline installer |
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| 00:47.49 | ectospasm | arvinall: then download a large installation image |
| 00:48.07 | ectospasm | arvinall: and your answer to my question was no, not yet |
| 00:48.13 | ectospasm | s/t$/s/ |
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| 00:48.52 | abrotman | tags pseubodot |
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| 00:55.12 | qw12 | anyone konw where to find the util directory ? |
| 00:55.23 | abrotman | the who ? |
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| 00:56.41 | SwK | netinst ftw |
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| 00:57.58 | SuperMiguel | if i have 2 patches for my kernel how do i apply them??? i know for the first one i will go to my kernel folder and then run patch -p1 < /patch/file/location how about for the second one??? |
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| 01:00.14 | nevyn | same again |
| 01:00.33 | SuperMiguel | but i should run autoconfig before doing the second one? |
| 01:00.38 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: no |
| 01:00.47 | nevyn | you shouldn't run autoconfig to make a kernel ever. |
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| 01:00.57 | SuperMiguel | menuconfig* |
| 01:01.00 | SuperMiguel | sorry mt |
| 01:01.26 | sirtophat | mount-iphone.sh reports the device as mounted, yet ~/.gvfs is still empty |
| 01:01.42 | nevyn | !make deb-pkg |
| 01:01.48 | nevyn | !custom kernel |
| 01:01.48 | dpkg | Read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD". Also ask me about <kernel-handbook>. |
| 01:01.55 | nevyn | wtf? |
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| 01:03.01 | nevyn | huh actually that works |
| 01:03.20 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: so how to do this for linux if you need to apply patches to the kernel source |
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| 01:04.37 | SuperMiguel | yes basically im trying to get this to work: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41265 |
| 01:04.43 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: is copy the config from /boot to .config |
| 01:04.50 | SuperMiguel | they mentioned applying both of those patches |
| 01:04.59 | SuperMiguel | ok |
| 01:07.27 | nevyn | ok. |
| 01:07.32 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: so i ran sudo patch -p1 < /home/miguel/Downloads/Kernel\ Patch/0002-drm-radeon-split-ATRM-support-out-from-the-ATPX-hand.patch and didnt get any errors |
| 01:07.49 | nevyn | so the easy way is to just clone his git branch and checkout acpi_patches |
| 01:07.56 | nevyn | git repo |
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| 01:08.21 | SuperMiguel | but when i try to do the same with the 2nd one i get this error http://pastebin.com/FQiPztPs |
| 01:09.24 | nevyn | paste.debian.net in future please. |
| 01:09.48 | SuperMiguel | k |
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| 01:10.17 | nevyn | so just clone his git tree. |
| 01:10.54 | archetech | did massive update yesterday Do I now have debian 7 ? |
| 01:11.21 | SuperMiguel | where do you see his git tree?/ |
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| 01:13.02 | sirtophat | I've mounted my iPod Touch in gvfs, yet ~/.gvfs is empty |
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| 01:18.17 | timberly | Hello. |
| 01:18.33 | timberly | What are the advantages of sleeping with a futon on a wooden frame vs directly on the floor? |
| 01:18.36 | timberly | You can message me in private. |
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| 01:18.45 | gotmynick | !ot |
| 01:18.45 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:19.20 | ectospasm | aha! NOW I'm delerious enough to recognize a troll! |
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| 01:24.52 | sirtophat | http://wiki.debian.org/iPhone this really aught to be updated |
| 01:24.56 | sirtophat | it's extremely simple with ifuse |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | so update it |
| 01:25.26 | sirtophat | " |
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| 01:25.56 | abrotman | awesome .. |
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| 01:29.39 | dondelelcaro | sirtophat: you need an account to edit pages, but that's trivial to get |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | oh, i thought he was logged in |
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| 01:36.32 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: Please try the acpi_patches branch of my git tree: |
| 01:36.33 | nevyn | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/ |
| 01:38.25 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: that will fix the problem where i cant use my Sony Power Media Dock? |
| 01:38.36 | nevyn | maybe. |
| 01:39.03 | nevyn | but it'll be a complete kernel tree with the patches you're interested in. |
| 01:39.42 | SuperMiguel | gotcha so yours has a bit more but it includes everything from those 2 patches i linked? |
| 01:39.50 | nevyn | it's not mine mine |
| 01:39.57 | nevyn | it's alexander D's |
| 01:40.03 | nevyn | I copied that from the bug |
| 01:40.39 | SuperMiguel | ohh o |
| 01:40.39 | SuperMiguel | k |
| 01:40.52 | SuperMiguel | how do i apply it? |
| 01:41.07 | nevyn | git clone http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux/ |
| 01:41.12 | nevyn | git checkout acpi_patches |
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| 01:41.24 | nevyn | the clone will take a while |
| 01:43.26 | SuperMiguel | ok its cloning |
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| 01:44.02 | SuperMiguel | then what? |
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| 01:52.25 | helena | okay... |
| 01:52.42 | helena | I just can't get ~/.xsessionrc to work. :( |
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| 01:56.38 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: now what? i just ran git checkout acpi_patches |
| 01:57.35 | helena | SuperMiguel: ? |
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| 02:01.15 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: so now copy the kernel config from /boot to .config then run make oldconfig |
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| 02:03.27 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: kernel config from my /boot? |
| 02:04.03 | nevyn | so if you look in /boot there should be a standard config for the kernel there. |
| 02:04.21 | helena | SuperMiguel, nevyn: ? |
| 02:04.40 | nevyn | helena: yes? |
| 02:04.41 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: config-3.2.0-29-generic ? |
| 02:04.45 | nevyn | that's it. |
| 02:04.56 | SuperMiguel | copy that 2 what? |
| 02:05.07 | SuperMiguel | to* |
| 02:05.11 | nevyn | .config |
| 02:05.19 | helena | SuperMiguel: I'm in love with nevyn |
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| 02:06.01 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: where .config at? |
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| 02:06.14 | nevyn | in the top of the kernel tree you just cloned |
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| 02:06.54 | helena | cuddle wuddles up to nevyn |
| 02:06.59 | helena | <3 uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu :3 |
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| 02:08.07 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: that kernel tree i cloned gave me a linux folder, but inside of it there is no .config |
| 02:08.13 | grothendieck | wonders if he is in the wrong place |
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| 02:08.48 | nevyn | no this is #debian. |
| 02:08.56 | sney | SuperMiguel: you have to copy it from /boot |
| 02:09.01 | sney | SuperMiguel: like nevyn just told you ... |
| 02:09.39 | SuperMiguel | sney: ohhh copy the .config into it |
| 02:09.40 | SuperMiguel | got t |
| 02:11.02 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: copy /boot/config-3.2.0-29-generic linux/.config |
| 02:11.07 | nevyn | like that ^^ |
| 02:11.37 | grothendieck | is there a kernel that needs to be compiled? |
| 02:12.49 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:13.16 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: when i run make oldconfig i get make: *** No rule to make target `Patch/nevyl/linux/arch/x86/Makefile'. Stop. |
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| 02:14.50 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: nvm got that to work |
| 02:15.01 | nevyn | grothendieck: SuperMiguel needs a particular kernel patch for some very new hardware (thunderbolt connected radeon vidcard) |
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| 02:16.54 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: ok it ended and got configuration written to .config and the end |
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| 02:17.35 | grothendieck | cool |
| 02:17.44 | nevyn | so now run make deb-pkg |
| 02:18.05 | SuperMiguel | k |
| 02:18.12 | nevyn | oh. |
| 02:18.18 | nevyn | -j to taste |
| 02:18.33 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: how many cores/cpu's does this system have? |
| 02:18.36 | grothendieck | abrotman: is there a specific channel to discuss preparing a software package for inclusion to the official debian repositories? |
| 02:18.38 | SuperMiguel | cancel it and run make deg-pkg -j? |
| 02:18.43 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: 1 cpu 8 cores |
| 02:18.57 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: yeah control C |
| 02:19.03 | abrotman | grothendieck: have you read the NMG yet? |
| 02:19.06 | grothendieck | Yes |
| 02:19.07 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: -j6 should be the go |
| 02:19.24 | SuperMiguel | k |
| 02:19.31 | abrotman | grothendieck: do you need a mentor, or do you want to be a DD/DM ? |
| 02:19.36 | nevyn | everything will get sucky on your machine tho. |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | apologizes to mentor |
| 02:19.53 | grothendieck | I've been working on packaging an existing software package that is distributed through its own repositories, but we would like to have it included in the official debian (and ubuntu) repos |
| 02:20.04 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: what is that mean? sucky? |
| 02:20.22 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: your cpu and ram are about to do some serious work for an hr or so |
| 02:20.27 | SuperMiguel | =) |
| 02:20.31 | nevyn | so things may get sluggish |
| 02:20.41 | SuperMiguel | good :) about time this laptop get some heat |
| 02:20.54 | grothendieck | I should first work with a mentor to make sure I understand everything in the NMG correctly and that everything in the package is built correctly for inclusion to debian |
| 02:21.14 | abrotman | grothendieck: you'd want to visit #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net, fair warning, i haven't seen anyone say anything in a few hours, quiet night |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | !tell grothendieck about mentors |
| 02:21.25 | grothendieck | thanks |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | grothendieck: mentors.debian.net may be useful also |
| 02:22.04 | helena | I just can't get ~/.xsessionrc to work. :( |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | helena: it's .xsession or .xinitrc .. you probably want the former |
| 02:22.39 | grothendieck | if something is in the debian repo is it automatically in the ubuntu repo as well? |
| 02:22.44 | helena | abrotman: I want .xsessionrc NOT .xinitrc! |
| 02:23.15 | timberly | Any problems with giving your CC # over the phone to a store? |
| 02:23.16 | hellekin | $HOME/.xsession |
| 02:23.19 | grothendieck | I haven't used ubuntu in years except for in a VM for testing so I have no idea how they make their distro |
| 02:23.23 | hellekin | helena ^^ |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | helena: .xsession |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | helena: you DO NOT want .xsessionrc |
| 02:23.37 | helena | okay :3 |
| 02:23.47 | grothendieck | timberly: wat? |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | grothendieck: i believe so, but i don't use it either |
| 02:24.00 | helena | Why don't I want .xsessionrc? How is .xsession any different abrotman? |
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| 02:24.13 | hellekin | helena: man xsession |
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| 02:24.20 | abrotman | timberly: this is not a general chat channel, good luck |
| 02:24.42 | hellekin | helena: .xsessionrc is not a supported file |
| 02:24.46 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: so how do you know that kernel will fit my system? how do you know my hardware?? |
| 02:25.06 | helena | okay... |
| 02:25.08 | helena | brb relog |
| 02:25.27 | grothendieck | SuperMiguel: he does not need to know your hardware, just the patch required to get your kernel working with the new hardware |
| 02:25.41 | grothendieck | think about it for like five seconds |
| 02:25.49 | Cerise | Hello there, does anyone know why fastcgi.conf is not included in nginx-common from squeeze-backports? |
| 02:26.02 | SuperMiguel | grothendieck: gotcha, but when i ran the patch it asked me to add alot of new hardware=) |
| 02:26.19 | grothendieck | Cerise: does nginx assume you are using fcgi? |
| 02:26.59 | grothendieck | SuperMiguel: new hardware or new kernel modules? |
| 02:27.04 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: it's the congif that's running on your box now. |
| 02:27.15 | grothendieck | anyway the kernel/patch probes your hardware and current modules |
| 02:27.26 | nevyn | grothendieck: the patch is about acpi tables.. a generic config will be fine |
| 02:27.31 | grothendieck | run a command like 'lspci' or 'lsmod' |
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| 02:28.08 | helena | :( |
| 02:28.13 | helena | .xsession also doesn't work. |
| 02:28.33 | grothendieck | helena: what is the problem? |
| 02:28.46 | hellekin | helena: is there anything in ~/.xsession-errors? |
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| 02:29.59 | helena | hellekin: just gtk warnings. lol |
| 02:30.45 | abrotman | lolololol |
| 02:31.06 | Cerise | grothendieck, well, you don't have to use fcgi with nginx, but fastcgi_params is included while fastcgi.conf is not |
| 02:31.29 | joules | hi, running chroot i get the same hostname as the ..host server..how do i fix that so i don't get confused where i'm am i edited $chroot/etc/hostname but seems to be ignored..thanks. |
| 02:32.11 | grothendieck | Cerise: install nginx-full? |
| 02:32.35 | grothendieck | joules: if you want to set hostname inside chroot you shouldn't be using a chroot |
| 02:33.11 | grothendieck | see the FreeBSD jail(8) manpage |
| 02:33.44 | sney | you could, however, just change your shell prompt so it'll tell you |
| 02:33.49 | grothendieck | chroot inherits the hostname from the /etc/hostname not from /$CHROOT/etc/hostname |
| 02:33.59 | joules | grothendieck: what sort of smart ass comment is that? |
| 02:34.09 | joules | "shouldn't be using chroot" |
| 02:34.12 | grothendieck | ^ you cannot set hostname in a chroot |
| 02:34.15 | grothendieck | you should use a jail |
| 02:34.19 | grothendieck | if you need to set the chrot |
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| 02:34.46 | grothendieck | you are trying to do something that is not permitted |
| 02:35.03 | grothendieck | rather is not possible |
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| 02:35.09 | grothendieck | apologies if my english is unclear |
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| 02:36.16 | grothendieck | though my answer was more polite than telling you to RTFM which is frankly what you need to do |
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| 02:36.47 | sgilis | Hi, haven't used the deb build system much, when I try to dpkg -b . in my eglibc-$VERSION folder, it can't find ./DEBIAN/control, but there is a ./debian/control. What's up with that? |
| 02:37.03 | sney | !nmg |
| 02:37.03 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ , http://wiki.debian.org/Courses2005/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 02:37.19 | sgilis | If that's meant for me, I shall read it. Thanks |
| 02:37.43 | nevyn | SuperMiguel: you answered yes or module to all the stuff in make oldconfig right? |
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| 02:43.35 | cardamon | I'm wanting to play with nouveau, after already having nvidia. I've installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, now I'm changing lines in Xorg.conf to nouveau. Then I should blacklist nvidia, right? |
| 02:43.51 | grothendieck | cardamon: yes |
| 02:44.15 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: i left them as default (NEW) |
| 02:44.17 | helena | I get some nouveau errors at bootup. lol |
| 02:44.22 | helena | they're not an issue tho. |
| 02:45.11 | grothendieck | cardamon: make sure to keep a backup of your old xorg.conf |
| 02:45.24 | grothendieck | so you can just reload the nvidia drivers if you reboot and get some mess |
| 02:45.50 | cardamon | Where do I do that? I see a /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf which has the nouveau blacklist. |
| 02:45.57 | grothendieck | based on experience I say there's like a 80% chance you spend the next two days "playing with nouveau" :P |
| 02:46.21 | abrotman | not me! |
| 02:46.30 | grothendieck | /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 02:47.03 | grothendieck | is the canonical kernel modules blacklist config file |
| 02:48.20 | grothendieck | echo "blacklist nvidia" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf |
| 02:48.38 | SuperMiguel | nevyn: that ended now what? |
| 02:49.26 | cardamon | grothendieck: What about the nvidia-kernel-common.conf? back it up and remove it? |
| 02:49.41 | grothendieck | hm |
| 02:49.50 | grothendieck | is that file loaded in somehow from blacklist.conf? |
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| 02:50.15 | cardamon | huh. |
| 02:50.28 | cardamon | I can't echo from sudo |
| 02:50.30 | abrotman | all the files in tha tdir are processed |
| 02:50.37 | grothendieck | oh |
| 02:50.37 | abrotman | cardamon: you can, you're doing it wrong |
| 02:50.40 | SuperMiguel | grothendieck: nevyn do i just run sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-xx and sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-xx ?? |
| 02:51.05 | cardamon | Right. You could put blacklist in a file named derp if as long as it's in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 02:51.21 | grothendieck | I would just comment out that line in the nvidia file |
| 02:51.25 | cardamon | abrotman: How then? |
| 02:51.49 | cardamon | sips his beer |
| 02:52.06 | grothendieck | or sed -e -i 's/nouveau/nvidia/' /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf |
| 02:52.17 | abrotman | cardamon: quote the whole command IIRC |
| 02:52.31 | qw12 | anyone know solution to this error : xmllint: command not found |
| 02:52.34 | cardamon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.34 | qw12 | i already installed libxml2 |
| 02:52.45 | cardamon | oh |
| 02:52.55 | cardamon | you said IIRC...not in IRC |
| 02:52.58 | cardamon | ... |
| 02:52.59 | grothendieck | lol |
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| 02:53.02 | cardamon | blames the beer |
| 02:53.28 | cardamon | What about the quotes in the quotes? |
| 02:53.58 | grothendieck | I think he was referring to my sed line |
| 02:54.01 | abrotman | no |
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| 02:55.50 | grothendieck | yes! |
| 02:56.12 | grothendieck | does not share abrotman's negativity |
| 02:56.32 | cardamon | Yes, but a strict left to right parsing of gksudo "echo "blacklist nvidia" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf" is going to come up with a weird result, I think. Can I use single quotes to the same effect? |
| 02:57.14 | cardamon | 2/ |
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| 02:57.49 | cardamon | nvidia-kernel-common.conf has a few things I don't recognize anyway. 2/ |
| 02:57.53 | grothendieck | fir christs sake just open it up with vim |
| 02:58.07 | grothendieck | comment out the line |
| 02:58.15 | grothendieck | add blacklist nvidia to blacklist.conf |
| 02:58.20 | grothendieck | reboot and cross your figners |
| 02:58.21 | grothendieck | :P |
| 02:58.45 | grothendieck | I don't think the quotes are necessary |
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| 02:59.11 | cardamon | You're wrong. |
| 02:59.13 | grothendieck | just 'su' first then echo it with quotes around the strong |
| 02:59.18 | grothendieck | string* |
| 02:59.31 | cardamon | No. |
| 02:59.45 | grothendieck | has to check this before I will believe it |
| 03:00.18 | hellekin | echo foo | sudo tee -a file |
| 03:00.57 | grothendieck | what is with all of this sudoing? |
| 03:01.02 | abrotman | cardamon: oh, sorry, didn't see your question |
| 03:01.20 | grothendieck | touch test.txt ; echo "blacklist foo" >> test.txt ; cat test.txt |
| 03:01.26 | grothendieck | what is wrong with that? it works just fine. |
| 03:01.49 | cardamon | abrotman: It's okay. I'm know better than to try Mr. Cave Johnson's approaches blindly. |
| 03:01.56 | grothendieck | lol |
| 03:01.56 | hellekin | grothendieck: not if you're a user and want to edit a root file |
| 03:02.16 | cardamon | Even with half a beer in me. |
| 03:02.24 | grothendieck | if I want to edit a root file then I'll just 'su' |
| 03:02.26 | grothendieck | like a real man |
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| 03:02.40 | cardamon | ...which is more like 2 beers to other men. |
| 03:02.43 | grothendieck | :P |
| 03:03.00 | cardamon | I don't have a root password. |
| 03:03.06 | grothendieck | sudo su |
| 03:03.13 | cardamon | I don't want to. |
| 03:03.19 | grothendieck | Then don't. ;) |
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| 03:04.01 | hellekin | grothendieck: sudo su? So you sudo to su, instead of editing the file you want to edit. That's improper ;o) |
| 03:04.04 | cardamon | Your signal to noise ratio is very high. |
| 03:05.25 | cardamon | http://paste.debian.net/185772/ |
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| 03:08.22 | hellekin | cardamon: wasn't it 'blacklist nvidia' ? |
| 03:08.57 | cardamon | hellekin: No. That's the existing /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-common.conf |
| 03:09.08 | hellekin | oh right |
| 03:09.12 | cardamon | I have nvidia installed and running. I'm switching to nouveau |
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| 03:12.31 | J_Rey | nouveau never worked for me although nv & nvidia did |
| 03:12.47 | J_Rey | I got a legacy chipset though... |
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| 03:14.31 | grothendieck | cardamon: if you insist on using sudo then couldn't you escape the quotes in the echo command |
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| 03:14.45 | grothendieck | it doesn't matter and the echo command by itself is wrong |
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| 03:21.40 | Rotaerk_ | when I was using unstable branch, the ATI drivers for my HD 7950 setup perfectly |
| 03:21.59 | Rotaerk_ | when I try the instructions here, for squeeze: http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/ |
| 03:22.14 | r3m | Hi, I already heard of libcaca to transform a video to an ascii videoo, vlc can do this too. Is there a CLI browser that display image in ascii? for example you go on google.com and see the google image in ascii |
| 03:22.20 | Rotaerk_ | in the *stable* branch (after a reinstall of debian) |
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| 03:23.07 | Rotaerk_ | I get "No supported adapters detected". Should I abandon the fglrx packages from the repository, and just install it directly from ATI? |
| 03:23.32 | Rotaerk_ | particularly, that's when I try to use aticonfig |
| 03:24.07 | Rotaerk_ | hmm yea, this version of the drivers does not support my card |
| 03:24.17 | cardamon | Stable doesn't mean "works." Stable just means old enough that it won't break (probably...and when it does, it gets fixed). |
| 03:24.22 | Rotaerk_ | right |
| 03:24.40 | cardamon | So look for a backport. |
| 03:24.40 | Rotaerk_ | I'm not suggesting that it's not living up to its name |
| 03:24.53 | cardamon | no, but you implied it. |
| 03:25.00 | Rotaerk_ | I didn't mean to |
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| 03:25.19 | Rotaerk_ | I emphasized "stable" to make it clear that I was no longer in the unstable branch |
| 03:25.29 | Rotaerk_ | because I reinstalled |
| 03:25.39 | Rotaerk_ | anyway, what do you mean by backport |
| 03:25.46 | jagginess | !bpo |
| 03:25.47 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 03:25.56 | helena | !bpo |
| 03:25.57 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 03:25.58 | helena | !bpo |
| 03:26.05 | grothendieck | sed -e 's/blacklist nouveau/blacklist nvidia/'O_O |
| 03:26.05 | Rotaerk_ | thanks |
| 03:26.09 | grothendieck | oops |
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| 03:26.33 | helena | !xorg |
| 03:26.33 | dpkg | X.Org X11 is the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2 and first included in Debian <Etch>. The release packaged for Squeeze is X11R7.5. To install, ask me about <install x>. To configure, ask me about <xorg config>. To remove, ask about <remove x>. Backports for Squeeze are available, ask about <bdo xorg>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:26.49 | jagginess | says you /msg dpkg |
| 03:27.01 | grothendieck | !bots |
| 03:27.02 | dpkg | We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information; dselect (<dselectbot>) fills in for dpkg. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry. |
| 03:27.14 | jagginess | use /msg dpkg <keyword> |
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| 03:35.39 | cardamon | Okay, for nouveau, do I have to install anything else? Enable anything? Modprobe anything in or out? What about KMS? |
| 03:36.48 | grothendieck | lspci -k | grep nv |
| 03:36.55 | helena | Woah |
| 03:37.03 | helena | I thought dpkg = bot |
| 03:37.04 | grothendieck | see if you have anything else using the nvidia driver |
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| 03:37.09 | helena | dpkg PMed me. |
| 03:37.09 | dpkg | helena: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 03:37.28 | cardamon | helena: He is a bot. |
| 03:37.47 | grothendieck | who wrote him? I asked but he just says "wish I knew" |
| 03:37.49 | cardamon | He pms you when you ask him to...or we do. So he doesn't spam the channel. |
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| 03:38.06 | helena | cardamon: Then explain this? |
| 03:38.08 | helena | 04:25 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with dpkg |
| 03:38.08 | helena | 04:25 <dpkg> Someone already said that 1 seconds ago |
| 03:38.23 | helena | cardamon: He PMed me first. |
| 03:39.17 | helecho | heh, because you said !bpo right after jagginess did |
| 03:39.36 | grothendieck | tell helena about dpkgbot |
| 03:39.41 | helena | helecho: Heeey your nick is almost like mine! :o |
| 03:39.41 | cardamon | I'm under no pressure to respond to you, so mind the tude. |
| 03:39.51 | helecho | really close! :) |
| 03:40.15 | cardamon | grothendieck: just nvidia |
| 03:41.39 | grothendieck | cardamon: I think as long as you have changed xorg.conf to load the nouveau drivers and blacklist the nvidia drivers (plus removed blacklist on nouveau drivers) from /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf |
| 03:41.43 | grothendieck | you should be fine |
| 03:41.53 | grothendieck | do a reboot and let's see ;) |
| 03:42.04 | grothendieck | DKMS should not be a problem |
| 03:42.15 | cardamon | I said KMS, not DKMS. |
| 03:42.20 | cardamon | They're different things. |
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| 03:43.41 | grothendieck | right |
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| 03:43.54 | grothendieck | Nouveau uses KMS but proprietary nvidia does not, right? |
| 03:43.57 | ocmsRzr | hi, I'm trying to connect a desktop to my wireless network. I want to have Internet->Wireless Laptop->Router->Desktop |
| 03:44.09 | ocmsRzr | is that possible? I don't even have clue what to google to get it done |
| 03:44.51 | Rotaerk_ | if I install a backport with "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install", will it resolve dependencies with the squeeze version if possible, and only resort to the squeeze-backport version if possible? |
| 03:45.29 | Rotaerk_ | err if necessary * |
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| 03:45.55 | cardamon | Well, it's a good news/bad news situation. |
| 03:46.26 | cardamon | It worked. X loaded. But it doesn't like my existing Twinview setup. I'm going to have to redo my xorg config. |
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| 03:46.36 | cardamon | I hate redoing my xorg config. |
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| 03:47.31 | bbqgates | Debian keeps crashing... Which log in '/var' would tell me the reason for the crash? |
| 03:47.55 | grothendieck | bbqgates: dmesg would be a good place to start |
| 03:48.03 | grothendieck | /var/log/messages |
| 03:48.48 | grothendieck | cardamon: nice, if all you need to do is reconfigure a bit then I'd say everything went better than expected |
| 03:49.10 | bbqgates | ok thanks grothendieck |
| 03:49.20 | cardamon | Well, the twinview setup always was hard to setup. |
| 03:49.22 | Dewi | bbqgates: any with recent timestamps can be handy - ls -lrt |
| 03:49.24 | Rotaerk_ | brb |
| 03:50.11 | grothendieck | cardamon: Xorg is always hard to set up, it's probably the worst thing in *nix |
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| 03:50.38 | grothendieck | a relic from a bygone era that won't go away |
| 03:50.41 | bbqgates | ok thanks for the tip Dewi |
| 03:51.28 | grothendieck | I wonder if X11 will ever be replaced |
| 03:51.47 | grothendieck | and how that would even be done |
| 03:52.45 | bbqgates | I know that the crashing is caused by the debian package bitcoind downloading the block chain... I just don't know why downloading the block chain would cause the crash... |
| 03:53.36 | Dewi | grothendieck: ubuntu has stated an intention to replace it with wayland |
| 03:54.05 | grothendieck | Dewi: ugh marx was right |
| 03:54.09 | Harzilein | bbqgates: i think the blockchain is actually verified and i remember it to be a quite cpu intensive process |
| 03:54.16 | grothendieck | "history repeats itself -- first as tragedy, then as farce" |
| 03:54.28 | Dewi | grothendieck: and a few other distros too, see wikipedia |
| 03:54.35 | Harzilein | bbqgates: so check your cooling maybe |
| 03:54.36 | Dewi | grothendieck: I imagine it'll take a while to happen tho |
| 03:55.48 | grothendieck | bbqgates: check for out of memory errors |
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| 03:56.14 | bbqgates | Harzilein... hmm... well, I'm already underclocked a little and I have a third party cooler on it with a ~100 CFM fan... so I doubt it's heat... but that's a good thought |
| 03:56.16 | grothendieck | does bitcoind have a debug mode or generate coredumps? |
| 03:56.33 | grothendieck | if you're completely baffled, run a memtest |
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| 03:58.00 | bbqgates | that's a good idea grothendieck... about it being out-of-memory... I have 4 GB of memory, though.. and I ran memtest about 2 months ago with no errors |
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| 04:00.04 | bbqgates | I wouldn't think bitcoin would just use memory up until it caused a crash... |
| 04:00.06 | Rotaerk | hmm, the backport of the ATI drivers doesn't seem to work |
| 04:00.18 | Rotaerk | X just kind of freezes at the login screen |
| 04:00.51 | Rotaerk | although aticonfig didn't give the "no supported adapters detected" error |
| 04:01.56 | bbqgates | Rotaerk... I had an issue with FGLRX backports randomly crashing debian about a month ago... I was using a HD5450 |
| 04:02.51 | Rotaerk | thing is, earlier today I had this system running Sid, and it had no problems with the FGLRX drivers |
| 04:02.54 | bbqgates | I had to downgrade to the open radeon driver and then I had no issues.... so I think the fglrx backports driver has issues... if that helps |
| 04:03.11 | Rotaerk | meh, I suppose I can go with the open one for now |
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| 04:03.27 | bbqgates | hmm... sid uses a newer version of fglrx though doesn't it? |
| 04:03.31 | Rotaerk | though I'm under the impression that it's not as good for full 3D acceleration |
| 04:03.44 | Rotaerk | and I intend to play games on this |
| 04:03.55 | bbqgates | it's not and you can't do anything with AMD stream or AMD APP as they now call it |
| 04:05.28 | Rotaerk | is it possible to pull specific packages from Sid into Squeeze |
| 04:05.34 | Rotaerk | without fully upgrading to Sid |
| 04:06.18 | Rotaerk | I mean, without it cascading into a huge dependency upgrade |
| 04:06.58 | LiDaR | Rotaerk, depends on the package |
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| 04:10.04 | Blue1 | sanity check - wine has no usb support, right? |
| 04:10.05 | bbqgates | Rotaerk... why don't you just use squeeze's fglrx? Does that version of Catalyst not support your card? |
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| 04:10.15 | Rotaerk | bbqgates: I use a 7950 |
| 04:10.19 | Rotaerk | it doesn't support my card |
| 04:10.22 | bbqgates | ah ok |
| 04:10.43 | Rotaerk | I don't want to settle with open source, so I'm tempted to go up to the Testing branch... :\ |
| 04:11.16 | Rotaerk | (err that sounded wrong; I don't want to settle with the current open source drivers) |
| 04:11.23 | bbqgates | you can always just download the newest version of Catalyst (12.8??) from amd and install that |
| 04:11.44 | Rotaerk | hmm I'll try that |
| 04:11.51 | Rotaerk | not sure how dependencies are handled in that case though |
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| 04:11.57 | Rotaerk | does that just mean I have to resolve them manually |
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| 04:12.12 | bbqgates | I've never done that but I know you have to add the kernel module yourself.. |
| 04:12.19 | Rotaerk | oh |
| 04:12.20 | bbqgates | yeah you'd have to resolve them yourself |
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| 04:12.57 | terranova | Hi, what is the difference between the Debian Standard and the Debian Gnome Live CDs? |
| 04:13.35 | Dewi | standard has only the standard system, which does not include a graphical environment |
| 04:13.41 | Dewi | it's pretty minimal |
| 04:13.50 | terranova | ohhh, I see. thanks |
| 04:14.06 | terranova | is it possible to use gnome3 on a pendrive? |
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| 04:18.13 | terranova | Is Debian better than Ubuntu? If so, why? |
| 04:18.35 | Dewi | you won't get an unbiased answer here, but I'll say it has a different focus |
| 04:18.43 | bbqgates | terranova, do you mean will gnome3 fit on a pendrive? |
| 04:19.54 | terranova | bbqgates - if I install debian live on my pendrive can I make it run gnome3? |
| 04:20.04 | terranova | Dewi - okay, what is the focus of Debian? |
| 04:21.54 | Dewi | terranova: debian is general purpose and very committed to open-source. ubuntu has a tighter focus on the user desktop experience, and integrates more non-free stuff |
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| 04:22.26 | Phn_noob | Ubuntu is "thing in a box" ready to use by any user with minimal knowledge. |
| 04:23.02 | Dewi | debian releases take longer and are supported longer with minimum hassle over time |
| 04:23.27 | Dewi | (although obviously ubuntu does occasional "LTS" releases for this) |
| 04:24.11 | Phn_noob | Debian has wide range of settings. |
| 04:24.37 | terranova | the Debian website is the most terrible html abomination |
| 04:25.00 | Phn_noob | And idk can be ubuntu using without gui |
| 04:25.07 | Dewi | most of the time I'm looking for long-term stability and minimal complications so debian suits me there |
| 04:25.20 | gry | how is its html terrible? |
| 04:25.27 | Dewi | but if I want an effortless desktop ubuntu works well, but my experience is limited |
| 04:25.44 | sney | guys, #debian is a support channel, if you have support questions then ask them but if you just want to chat and compare distros then please go to #debian-offtopic |
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| 04:34.45 | Rotaerk | great.. --buildpkg Debian/stable is failing for this ATI driver |
| 04:35.08 | Rotaerk | driver installer * |
| 04:35.41 | bratao | Hi guys, small newbie question. Im doing a dist-upgrade but a changelog file opens, and and don't know how to skip it. Control + C stop everything. How can I continue ? |
| 04:36.32 | Rotaerk | bratao: q |
| 04:36.46 | bratao | Thank you ! |
| 04:36.50 | kingsley | bratao: I don't know, but have you tried pressing either the "q" key to quit, or "?" for help? |
| 04:37.09 | bratao | Just q worked |
| 04:37.15 | bratao | Thank you guys ! |
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| 04:42.20 | cardamon | Anyone got some suggestions for building a new Xorg? I have two monitors, with different resolutions and aspect ratios. |
| 04:42.59 | cardamon | Previous I was running had it setup to do twinview with the nvidia proprietary driver, but now I'm using nouveau. |
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| 04:59.18 | _strog | hi, i have 2 usb-ehthernet adapters both apparently have the same mac-address. I wanna know how can I trick udev to accept both of them? |
| 04:59.55 | nevyn | cardamon: does xrandr see both displays? |
| 05:02.53 | Rotaerk | hmm, anyone know what /usr/X11R6/lib64 is and why it should exist? |
| 05:03.04 | Rotaerk | the ATI driver installer seems to be looking for files in that path |
| 05:03.16 | Rotaerk | and it's giving a buch of "cp: cannot stat" errors |
| 05:03.45 | Rotaerk | I'm running: sudo ./amd-driver-installer-8.982-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/stable |
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| 05:06.30 | nevyn | !amd |
| 05:06.30 | dpkg | Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>. |
| 05:06.35 | nevyn | !ati |
| 05:06.35 | dpkg | To use an ATI/AMD graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <fglrx>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 05:07.20 | Rotaerk | k |
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| 05:41.12 | colun | Hello, where can I find scripts or command lines necessary to package Icedove 14 ? Thank you |
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| 05:41.44 | cardamon | Switched over to nouveau and blacklisted nvidia, but when I try to make a few Xorg.conf with Xorg -configure it lists both nvidia and nouveau, tries to insert nvidia, then complains that there's no such device. |
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| 05:51.29 | luckysmack | whats the recommended way to install oracles java 7 (cant use open jdk/iced tea) |
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| 05:55.47 | cardamon | luckysmack: Why not...and honestly you just just install it to a directory of your choice, preferably not existing ones in /usr, and link to it with update-java-alternatives |
| 05:56.17 | cardamon | It's a bit of manual work. |
| 05:56.28 | colun | luckysmack, by apt-get install it works |
| 05:56.28 | helena | cardamon: You got yourself a fish biscuit, how did you do that? |
| 05:56.36 | luckysmack | a program i have seems to have issues and they recomment oracle java and not iced tea |
| 05:56.39 | colun | luckysmack, http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 05:56.56 | cardamon | colun: Be quiet when you're wrong. |
| 05:57.01 | helena | cardamon: You got yourself a fish biscuit, how did you do that? |
| 05:58.11 | cardamon | Sun's out. Oracle now owns Java. sun-java-6 was the last Sun/Oracle package we're going to see in Debian for a while due to licensing issues. |
| 05:58.17 | helena | cardamon: You got yourself a fish biscuit, how did you do that? |
| 05:58.26 | luckysmack | colun: sun-java6-* do not show up when i search for them. |
| 05:59.02 | colun | luckysmack, are you on squeeze ? |
| 05:59.07 | luckysmack | yea |
| 05:59.13 | colun | http://packages.debian.org/fr/squeeze/sun-java6-jre |
| 05:59.24 | colun | non-free repo |
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| 06:00.56 | cardamon | luckysmack: A particular reason for Java 7 |
| 06:01.14 | luckysmack | just that it seems to be the latest one. |
| 06:01.15 | helena | cardamon got himself a fish biscuit. :o |
| 06:01.28 | helena | SHOCKING! |
| 06:01.42 | cardamon | Most stuff should work regardless. The JVM is built on the same source. Icedtea IS oracle's binary. |
| 06:01.47 | luckysmack | if i can install 6 and have it updatable then thats fine. will this update to 7 when that gets pushed out to the repos? |
| 06:01.55 | cardamon | No. |
| 06:02.03 | cardamon | Because it's never going to get updated. |
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| 06:02.27 | colun | I find oracle-java7-installer |
| 06:02.39 | luckysmack | ok. well i suppose i mean, will java 7 (oracle) later be offered as a non free deb? |
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| 06:02.56 | luckysmack | likely in the next debian release |
| 06:03.27 | colun | luckysmack, I don't think |
| 06:03.28 | colun | http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-in-debian.html |
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| 06:03.46 | luckysmack | and i tried openjdk, and the app was real buggy. so chances are they tied into some specific libs that openjdk either doesnt have, or is done differently. not sure. |
| 06:04.05 | helena | Hows your fish biscuit cardamon? |
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| 06:04.45 | luckysmack | colun: oh sweet. |
| 06:05.18 | cardamon | What app? |
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| 06:05.59 | luckysmack | gives colun some coffee |
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| 06:07.51 | cardamon | Switched over to nouveau and blacklisted nvidia, but when I try to make a few Xorg.conf with Xorg -configure it lists both nvidia and nouveau, tries to insert nvidia, then complains that there's no such device. Little help? |
| 06:08.01 | cardamon | s/few/new/ |
| 06:09.19 | luckysmack | colun: seemed to work like a charm. thanks. |
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| 06:20.25 | colun | can you help me to "make" icedove 14 ? I've icedove 11 on my wheezy laptop. |
| 06:21.55 | cardamon | !tell colun about sns |
| 06:23.14 | Kriss3d | Hmm Im just installing debian for the first time. Im used to Ubuntu but debian seems to suit my needs alot better as i love unity almost as much as i love getting a root canal done.. is it by default more lightweight than ubuntu ? |
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| 06:23.51 | Dewi | Kriss3d: yes |
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| 06:24.14 | Kriss3d | great.. then i hope it will work out once its done installing. its an old asus laptop |
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| 06:26.31 | cardamon | Any help at all? |
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| 06:29.58 | FGH` | hi |
| 06:30.10 | FGH` | what is the name of the tool in debian to upload data to another machine over ssh |
| 06:30.19 | FGH` | over a secure connection |
| 06:30.28 | rax- | scp? |
| 06:30.33 | FGH` | hmm ok |
| 06:30.39 | cardamon | rsync or scp. |
| 06:30.44 | cardamon | Use rsync. |
| 06:31.03 | FGH` | ok thx |
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| 06:31.44 | FGH` | ok then another quetion |
| 06:31.54 | FGH` | my debiaqn server is going down sometimes |
| 06:31.58 | FGH` | and i dont know why |
| 06:32.04 | colun | cardamon : it's not a sns but to obtain all security fix. I've wheezy on my laptop because it's a fresh install and wheezy is freezed. For Icedove, between 11 and 14, a lot of fix are here. |
| 06:32.06 | FGH` | should i start searching in the syslog ? |
| 06:32.14 | FGH` | or what is the best place to start |
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| 06:35.15 | Dewi | FGH`: sounds like a good place to start, and the other logs in there |
| 06:35.34 | ws2k3 | its a dedicated server |
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| 06:35.42 | ws2k3 | and i'm convinced that its a hardware problem |
| 06:35.56 | redsoup | ws2k3: dmesg maybe. |
| 06:35.59 | redsoup | also |
| 06:36.07 | ws2k3 | but they say it a software problem i dont believe that because i run all the same software on all machines |
| 06:36.12 | ws2k3 | but i shall search |
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| 06:39.33 | blahdeblah | Hi. Any byobu users around? I've just installed wheezy on my laptop, and i want byobu to use screen-style escape sequences (Ctrl-A rather than F1). The squeeze version worked great - how can i restore same behaviour on wheezy? |
| 06:39.45 | ws2k3 | i dont see anything strange anyone else maby : http://pastebin.com/iVvZu2mH |
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| 06:44.28 | Kriss3d | Hmm no firefox for debian ??? |
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| 06:45.57 | colun | Kriss3d, iceweasel |
| 06:46.06 | Kriss3d | colun so its basicly same thing ?? |
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| 06:46.24 | colun | Kriss3d, iceweasel is Debian name of firefox |
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| 06:46.28 | Kriss3d | ah ok.. a bit odd they didnt use the same name and such.. would have made it alot easier |
| 06:46.29 | Dewi | Kriss3d: yeah it's the non-trademarked version |
| 06:46.29 | Kriss3d | but ok thanks |
| 06:46.30 | Kriss3d | ah ok |
| 06:46.32 | Dewi | Kriss3d: firefox withdrew permission to use the trademark |
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| 06:46.33 | Dan39 | legal reasons :P |
| 06:46.34 | Dan39 | same exact thing |
| 06:46.36 | Kriss3d | too bad.. one would have thought theyd be loving more exposure |
| 06:46.38 | Dan39 | but since the binary isnt compiled by mozilla they dont allow you to use their trademarks :p |
| 06:46.44 | Dewi | they wanted more control than debian is willing to give upstreams |
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| 06:47.13 | Kriss3d | that makes sense |
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| 06:47.32 | colun | and icedove = thunderbird |
| 06:48.11 | Dewi | I'm actually pretty surprised the firefox thing still didn't get resolved |
| 06:48.29 | Dewi | I predicted it'd be like that for a couple of months |
| 06:48.38 | Dewi | and they'd compromise |
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| 06:50.01 | colun | Dewi, on wheezy, apt-cache search firefox return iceweasel |
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| 06:50.57 | Dewi | nods |
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| 07:27.38 | FGH` | hi |
| 07:27.47 | FGH` | my debian server is still doing a md3 resync |
| 07:28.03 | FGH` | does it matter when i'm going to use the server and let is do alot of hard work ? |
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| 07:28.49 | ws2k3 | does it matter when i'm going to use the server and let is do alot of hard work ? |
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| 07:33.52 | ws2k3 | does it matter when i'm going to use the server and let is do alot of hard work ? |
| 07:35.32 | nsadmin | how do you mean? |
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| 07:36.07 | nsadmin | more cpu is going to mean more heat generated by that chip |
| 07:36.33 | ws2k3 | yeah |
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| 07:36.43 | ws2k3 | my debian server is still resyncing on the raid |
| 07:36.51 | ws2k3 | but does it matter if out alot of load on it |
| 07:37.08 | kwork | it would makes sense that it will resync longer aswell |
| 07:37.09 | ws2k3 | i assume not.. but i'm still searching why my machine sometimes just reboots |
| 07:37.23 | kwork | if there is heavy io load |
| 07:37.23 | ws2k3 | yeah i know but thats not an problem at all |
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| 07:37.31 | kwork | and in degraded state its even slower by default |
| 07:37.36 | kwork | because you are missing drive |
| 07:37.45 | kwork | compearing to normal operation |
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| 07:43.02 | obiwahn | hi i have a new laptop |
| 07:43.33 | obiwahn | and i noticed that one of the disks is put into standby as soon as i unplug the AC |
| 07:43.45 | obiwahn | is there a way to prevent that happening |
| 07:44.18 | jpinx | obiwahn: what operating system are you running on your new laptop? |
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| 07:44.39 | obiwahn | debian/linux |
| 07:44.44 | obiwahn | :P |
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| 07:44.55 | obiwahn | i guess thats why i ask here |
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| 07:54.01 | ChrisH | obiwahn: Why do you want to prevent the disk to go into standby? |
| 07:54.57 | obiwahn | power saving is ok |
| 07:55.10 | obiwahn | but doining it ever minute will break the disk soon |
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| 07:56.52 | ChrisH | obiwahn: that depends on the disk! Laptop disks are designed for such actions. They are no server-raid disks |
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| 08:14.59 | bathman_ | mm - this might be a rather general linux question, but it's on debian - so here goes: |
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| 08:16.03 | bathman_ | we've got a yosemite restore console installed here, and after a restore job from NAS files, it makes all those files belong to root |
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| 08:17.20 | bathman_ | and yes, the software was installed with root privileges - but not running it as root while performing a backup job, just opened it as myself on kde desktop |
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| 08:18.54 | digdilem | it probably has sudo privs, but it's more a yosemite question than anything else. I'm not familiar with that |
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| 08:20.09 | bathman_ | barracuda (yosemite) helpdesk seems to b unfamiliar with it too ;) |
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| 08:32.11 | ChrisH | bathman_: generic answer: It the backup/restore SW job to get the permissions correct on backup AND restore. |
| 08:32.13 | jokerdino | hey guys. i have a question. |
| 08:32.29 | jokerdino | i am on ubuntu at the moment and chrooted into debian squeeze |
| 08:32.43 | jokerdino | can i dist-upgrade to sid by editing the sources.list? |
| 08:34.18 | aidalgol | jokerdino: I think it's recommended to upgrade one release at a time (in this case, squeeze->wheezy->sid) |
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| 08:35.13 | jokerdino | aidalgol: ok that's not the actual matter. someone asked me this "did you bind the appropriate mounts before chrooting?" |
| 08:35.27 | jokerdino | so, i am not sure if i should dist-upgrade from chrooting? |
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| 08:35.40 | aidalgol | oh, ok |
| 08:35.50 | aidalgol | Depends on the purpose of your chroot. |
| 08:35.51 | jokerdino | aidalgol: and why exactly is it not recommended? any particular issues? |
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| 08:36.23 | jokerdino | aidalgol: i chrooted because i couldn't activate my wireless driver in squeeze |
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| 08:36.29 | aidalgol | The package manager handles conflicts more gracefully. |
| 08:36.30 | jokerdino | the chroot is to help me upgrade |
| 08:36.47 | aidalgol | (basically) |
| 08:37.04 | jokerdino | aidalgol: so, can i then just upgrade using do-release-upgrade maybe? |
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| 08:37.36 | aidalgol | I'm probably not going to be terribly helpful, but It sounds like, for example, you wouldn't want to mount your host system's /dev |
| 08:37.41 | jokerdino | hm there is no do-release-upgrade in squeeze :/ |
| 08:37.45 | aidalgol | nope |
| 08:37.49 | aidalgol | That's an Ubuntu thing. |
| 08:38.04 | jokerdino | Ubuntu thing. it spoilt me. |
| 08:38.21 | aidalgol | I have no idea what it's supposed to make easier. |
| 08:38.47 | jokerdino | i chrooted this way: mount -t ext3 /dev/sda11 /mnt/1; chroot /mnt/1 |
| 08:38.49 | jelly | jokerdino: do you have services in that chroot? |
| 08:39.01 | jokerdino | jelly: nothing running |
| 08:39.03 | aidalgol | The nice thing about chroots is you can safely hose them. :P |
| 08:39.09 | jelly | jokerdino: installed and configured to run? |
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| 08:39.35 | jelly | jokerdino: I mean, is this a real installation just mounted as chroot, or a chroot from the start? |
| 08:39.36 | jokerdino | jelly: install what can i ask? |
| 08:39.46 | jokerdino | ah, it is a real install. |
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| 08:39.54 | jokerdino | it is installed on another partition. |
| 08:40.13 | jelly | you'll want to look at policy-rc.d to make sure the upgrade doesn't go and start things |
| 08:40.14 | jokerdino | i am just chrooting from ubuntu because of wireless driver problem |
| 08:40.20 | jelly | !policy-rc.d |
| 08:40.21 | dpkg | [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See http://people.debian.org/~hmh/invokerc.d-policyrc.d-specification.txt and <invoke-rc.d>. See http://ircbots.debian.net/scripts/policy-rc.d-forbid-dpkg for an example script that disables all daemon starts and stops during package installation -- tailoring it to your needs to only skip certain daemons would be advised. |
| 08:40.38 | jelly | jokerdino: like the example linked abouve |
| 08:40.45 | jokerdino | ok maybe i can ask about my wireless driver then? |
| 08:41.05 | jokerdino | i have a broadcom bcm4313 |
| 08:41.46 | aidalgol | Wait, you were having problems with drivers in which system? Debian, or Ubuntu? |
| 08:41.55 | jokerdino | debian. |
| 08:42.07 | jokerdino | in ubuntu, i have it working. Not exactly sure how that happened. |
| 08:42.09 | jelly | dpkg, tell jokerdino about wl |
| 08:42.17 | aidalgol | Because the most common broadcom chipsets are supported by the non-free driver packages. |
| 08:42.37 | jelly | !bcm4313 |
| 08:42.38 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <BCM4331>. |
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| 08:43.14 | aidalgol | I'm pretty sure I got wifi working in a netbook with a bcm4313. |
| 08:43.18 | jokerdino | very well. |
| 08:43.28 | chaplain | i did, though it was ubuntu |
| 08:43.30 | aidalgol | But I can't remember exactly which packages I needed. |
| 08:43.44 | aidalgol | linux-firmware-nonfree was one |
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| 08:43.58 | jokerdino | if i can install the driver through chroot, i can dist upgrade in debian |
| 08:44.11 | chaplain | i'd say just get a new wireless card, even once the driver is installed it's still quite on and off |
| 08:44.16 | jelly | jokerdino: you ought to be able to do that |
| 08:44.52 | jokerdino | jelly: ok next question would be, what would i install? |
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| 08:46.50 | jelly | jokerdino: have you read what dpkg told you about "wl" in private message? |
| 08:47.22 | jokerdino | it mentioned wheezy. i'll read the link. one minute |
| 08:47.44 | jelly | I don't have that hardware, so no idea which option of the two listed above (brcm80211, wl) is better |
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| 08:50.53 | jokerdino | i'll go with wl |
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| 08:51.11 | qqk | wl? |
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| 08:51.45 | qqk | i'd go with brcmsmac or brcmfmac... |
| 08:51.57 | jokerdino | ;/ |
| 08:52.02 | jokerdino | can i switch later then? |
| 08:52.22 | jokerdino | like after m-a a-i ? |
| 08:52.28 | qqk | yeah, be ready to blacklist one or the other though if wl doesn't uninstall cleanly |
| 08:52.42 | jokerdino | i think i have brcmsmac in ubuntu |
| 08:52.51 | jokerdino | fail me |
| 08:53.06 | qqk | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/brcm80211 |
| 08:53.16 | qqk | it's part of the kernel, not Ubuntu |
| 08:53.37 | jokerdino | i mean, i removed wl in ubuntu and installed brcmsmac in ubuntu |
| 08:53.58 | qqk | "The driver is also available in the 3.2 and newer kernels" |
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| 08:54.12 | jokerdino | i am on squeeze. so that's a problem |
| 08:54.38 | jelly | !bdo kernel |
| 08:54.39 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are distributed via backports.debian.org. Ask me about <bdo> to add backports to your sources.list correctly, then run "aptitude update". To list available backported kernel image packages: aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'. To install a package (e.g.): aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 08:54.46 | jelly | jokerdino: install 3.2 from there |
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| 08:54.56 | jokerdino | thanks. |
| 08:55.02 | jokerdino | i have to remove wl then? |
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| 08:55.25 | jokerdino | someone kill me :D |
| 08:55.27 | jelly | dunno, try one, if it fails, try the other |
| 08:56.01 | qqk | you installed wl on squeeze? |
| 08:56.07 | jokerdino | qqk yeah |
| 08:56.11 | qqk | or are we still on lubuntu |
| 08:56.14 | jokerdino | installing actually |
| 08:56.22 | qqk | fine, see if it works... |
| 08:56.26 | jokerdino | qqk: i am on ubuntu chrooted to squeeze |
| 08:56.29 | qqk | you can always remove it later |
| 08:57.13 | jokerdino | i'll boot into squeeze after this and if it works. i |
| 08:57.20 | jokerdino | *i |
| 08:57.25 | qqk | if i were you |
| 08:57.36 | jokerdino | err, i mean, i'll upgrade to wheezy |
| 08:57.44 | jokerdino | qqk: yes |
| 08:58.12 | qqk | i'd just download the deb packages for a 3.2+ kernel or a backport into the chroot, then boot into squeeze, install them (dpkg -i), and then load brcm (or whatever) |
| 08:58.54 | jokerdino | qqk: preferable not to install from chroot? |
| 08:59.30 | jokerdino | it failed btw. it said it can't find the driver. |
| 08:59.35 | jokerdino | probably has to do with chroot |
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| 09:00.31 | qqk | well one thing you *could* do, since you seem to be stuck with ubuntu for wireless for now |
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| 09:00.36 | jokerdino | i'll try the backport |
| 09:01.02 | Andy1978 | is it possible to install mysql-server-5.1 in wheezy with apt-get? |
| 09:01.20 | qqk | that, or use virtualbox to boot from the physical debian partition, and use the virtual ethernet connection to "bootstrap" wheezy/sid |
| 09:01.25 | jelly | jokerdino: silly thing to do: copy the ubuntu kernel and drivers into the debian tree, reboot that one, work from debian |
| 09:01.42 | jelly | if everything else fails |
| 09:01.48 | jokerdino | jelly: how do i do that? |
| 09:01.54 | jokerdino | ah, last resort. okay |
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| 09:02.48 | jelly | jokerdino: you'd copy /boot/*$(uname -r)* into /chroot/boot/, and the whole /lib/modules/$(uname -r) tree into /chroot/lib/modules/ |
| 09:03.02 | qqk | Andy1978 apt-cache will tell you what's available |
| 09:03.11 | jelly | then run update-grub in the chroot and reboot that one |
| 09:03.39 | bathman_ | exit |
| 09:04.01 | qqk | bathman_: wrong terminal? :P |
| 09:04.07 | Andy1978 | qqk: sure but in wheezy there is mysql-server-5.5 |
| 09:04.25 | Andy1978 | qqk: but I want to install 5.1 in wheezy |
| 09:05.25 | jokerdino | brb; rebooting |
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| 09:05.57 | qqk | Andy1978: I'd switch repos to squeeze temporarily, install 5.1, pin it, and then switch repos back to wheezy |
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| 09:07.44 | blahdeblah | Trying again: I've just installed wheezy on my laptop, and i want byobu to use screen-style escape sequences (Ctrl-A rather than F1-12). The squeeze version worked great - how can i restore same behaviour on wheezy? |
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| 09:11.16 | qqk | blahdeblah: which exact byobu version? |
| 09:11.37 | blahdeblah | qqk: 5.16-1 |
| 09:11.58 | blahdeblah | That's the latest version for wheezy according to my system |
| 09:12.17 | qqk | you need to "patch" it, see here |
| 09:12.18 | qqk | http://pastebin.com/ggaCY8Xp |
| 09:12.55 | qqk | I say "patch" because you can just modify the files in your local directories anyway |
| 09:13.03 | blahdeblah | Yeah - i'll do that instead. |
| 09:13.22 | blahdeblah | But even the status bar is different (by which i mean, not as good) |
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| 09:14.00 | blahdeblah | OK, looks like screen vs. tmux is what sets up the status bar |
| 09:14.16 | qqk | yes, blahdeblah -- run byobu-select-backend and choose screen |
| 09:14.35 | blahdeblah | One line change to my .byobu/backend and the status bar is back! Thanks qqk |
| 09:14.43 | qqk | but you'll still need to add that line f-keys.screen.disable line or you'll get weird behavior |
| 09:14.56 | qqk | to /usr/share/byobu/keybindings/common |
| 09:14.57 | blahdeblah | cool |
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| 09:15.13 | blahdeblah | I can do that in my local dir, too, can't i? |
| 09:15.50 | qqk | the local keybinds includes that file, so yeah, i'd guess so |
| 09:15.54 | blahdeblah | (By putting source $BYOBU_PREFIX/share/byobu/keybindings/f-keys.screen.disable in .byobu/keybindings) |
| 09:15.56 | blahdeblah | tries |
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| 09:16.19 | blahdeblah | sweet - all good. |
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| 09:17.29 | blahdeblah | Thanks for the help, qqk. I really wish i didn't have to use the deprecated backend to get this functionality, though. Sort of like the whole GNOME 2 vs. GNOME 3 vs. Unity debate. I use Linux Mint Debian Edition just to get a vaguely sensible desktop. :-\ |
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| 09:18.09 | qqk | heh, you're welcome, apparently "tmux is the future" they say ;) |
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| 09:24.37 | aidalgol | blahdeblah: You forgot Xfce. Haven't you heard? Xfce is the way to go now that Gnome has been ruined. :P |
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| 09:32.07 | sylock | Hello guys. I need a little help about packaging. I want to compile and build as a deb package a newer version of openssh. I do understand the differnt files needed for dpkg-build. But I don't know how to grab my file tree to create the orig.tar.gz since the file tree of openssh will only be create when doing "make install" (I curently did the "./configure --prefix=/opt" and make) |
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| 09:32.53 | sylock | so how can I do a "make install" in another location to be able to create my tar.gz |
| 09:33.04 | blahdeblah | aidalgol: icewm is a little too embedded in my finger memory for me to switch now. I'm old and resistant to change. ;-) |
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| 09:35.13 | Andy1978 | qqk: hm, thanks for the tip but I think apt-pinning is a mess |
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| 09:36.05 | jokerdino | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1169538/ help with downloading the kernel please? |
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| 09:37.28 | Andy1978 | jokerdino: why "squeeze-roposed" ? |
| 09:37.32 | Andy1978 | proposed |
| 09:37.39 | jokerdino | oops |
| 09:38.08 | jokerdino | wait? |
| 09:38.09 | Andy1978 | no, my typo but I don't know "squeeze-proposed" |
| 09:38.30 | jokerdino | i want the backported kernel for my wireless driver |
| 09:38.35 | Andy1978 | jokerdino: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:38.40 | Andy1978 | ah |
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| 09:39.57 | Andy1978 | jokerdino: there is squeeze-proposed-updates/ but who told you you should use squeeze-proposed? |
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| 09:40.11 | Andy1978 | jokerdino: have you already posted you sources.list? |
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| 09:40.28 | jokerdino | Andy1978: sorry, i edited the sources.list myself. |
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| 09:40.34 | jokerdino | haven't posted the sources.list |
| 09:40.53 | jokerdino | my list is in a mess. a little ashamed |
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| 09:41.34 | Andy1978 | jokerdino: hm, sorry I can't help |
| 09:41.38 | jokerdino | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1169548/ |
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| 09:41.52 | jokerdino | sources.list ^ |
| 09:41.58 | jokerdino | Andy1978: alright. thanks |
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| 09:43.13 | xgl | hi all |
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| 10:13.01 | Guest618 | my friiend's laptop has windows and debian SID installed. the WIFI doesn't work with debian, but works for windows. Is there a way of getting the wireless work? |
| 10:13.49 | jelly | Guest618: probably yes |
| 10:13.53 | jelly | !wireless |
| 10:13.54 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <killswitch>, <wpa>, <wlan howto>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 10:14.01 | blackshirt | is possible yo boot from lvm/md disk through grub? |
| 10:14.31 | jelly | blackshirt: /boot on lvm above md? grub2 might work |
| 10:14.44 | ChrisH | blackshirt: thats what I do for most of my systems.... or do you want to do it "by hand"? |
| 10:15.36 | jelly | blackshirt: the more compatible way to do it is to keep a small, separate partition first for md raid1 and put /boot on that |
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| 10:15.52 | blackshirt | thats mean /boot reside on lvm device can be use to boot through grub.. |
| 10:16.05 | blackshirt | Was grub support md/lvm? |
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| 10:17.02 | jelly | blackshirt: yes. Verify with people in #grub which version of grub is needed, and then we can tell you which version of Debian has that |
| 10:17.13 | jelly | ,v grub-pc |
| 10:17.14 | judd | Package: grub-pc on i386 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; sid: 1.99-22.1; wheezy: 1.99-22.1 |
| 10:17.35 | blackshirt | thanks jelly |
| 10:17.41 | ChrisH | blackshirt: I have one system, with /boot in LVM over md working very well. And yes, it makes sense to sperate /boot on a raid1 |
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| 10:19.43 | Guest618 | jelly, the laptop wifi controller is from Broadcom Corp BCM4313 802.11b/g/n |
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| 10:20.53 | jelly | Guest618: /msg dpkg bcm4313 |
| 10:21.12 | jelly | seems like a popular chip today |
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| 10:25.32 | Guest618 | jelly, I get bash: /msg: No such file of directory |
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| 10:26.04 | jelly | Guest618: that's a command to write in your irc client to get more information from the "dpkg" informational bot |
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| 10:26.21 | jelly | you'll have to do some additional reading after that |
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| 10:36.34 | Guest618 | jelly, the dpkg info says that bcm4313 is not supported by b43 driver at this time. does it mean the wifi can not be fixed? |
| 10:37.09 | jelly | Guest618: it also says to use brcm80211 or wl instead. |
| 10:37.28 | jelly | Guest618: at that point you go ask the bot for eg. /msg dpkg brcm80211 |
| 10:38.24 | jelly | then you read that, and ask the bot for /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 10:38.41 | jelly | then you have all the information needed to install the missing bits |
| 10:39.21 | jelly | perhaps a bit convoluted, but that's the limit with irc one-liner help |
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| 10:41.53 | jelly | Guest618: since your friend has a sid system, it's probably better to pick the "wheezy" option on http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 rather than "squeeze" |
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| 10:51.43 | fellipe | hi, what's the apt command to forget a package wich is pending to be reinstalled? |
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| 10:55.28 | Guest618 | jelly, WIFI is working now, thanks |
| 10:55.34 | no_gravity | Hello from Hamburg! Sometimes when I want to reboot (by running reboot as root) the system just hangs forever. Probably because some sshfs mount that is confused. How do I rebbot anyway? |
| 10:55.59 | jelly | \o/ |
| 10:56.28 | ChrisH | Moin Moin no_gravity. What is your question? |
| 10:56.41 | jelly | no_gravity: kill -9 the sshfs process, that clears up the mountpoint and releases processes hund on it |
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| 10:56.44 | jelly | hung* |
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| 10:57.14 | jelly | ChrisH: he's just asked the question. |
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| 10:57.30 | no_gravity | jelly: let me try it... |
| 10:58.25 | ChrisH | I missinterpreted "How do I rebbot anyway" with "why do I ..." |
| 10:59.15 | ChrisH | jelly: do you know if there is an extra ssh-fs kill script ? |
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| 10:59.47 | Gargantua | The man page for reboot says it will use -h behavior when not in runlevels 0 or 6, -h is: Put all hard drives on the system in stand-by mode just before halt or power-off. |
| 11:00.01 | Gargantua | could that be the cause? |
| 11:00.02 | jelly | ChrisH: as far as I know, there is none |
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| 11:02.20 | ChrisH | Gargantua: if you refer to the reboot/sshfs issue, I do not assume that switching off disks is the problem. hanging ssh-fs mounts seems more realistic. |
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| 11:04.40 | Gargantua | I've never used sshfs, I'm just guessing it might just uses a mount point and sshfs gets confused by it maybe? |
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| 11:05.01 | Gargantua | never came across a process that didn't respect the mighty hammer of shutdown -r now. |
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| 11:06.06 | jelly | the processes are in D state hung on io from the hung sshfs, they don't respond to SIGKILL in that state until their io syscall returns |
| 11:06.06 | Gargantua | The halt program uses /proc/ide/hd* to find all IDE disk devices, which means that /proc needs to be mounted when halt or poweroff is called or the -h switch will do nothing. |
| 11:06.24 | Gargantua | Oh oh oh |
| 11:06.33 | Gargantua | That makes sense |
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| 11:07.10 | jelly | when the fuse fs controlling process, sshfs, is killed, all the D state hung processes suddenly return from kernel and continue as they ought to |
| 11:07.47 | jelly | fun with fuse! |
| 11:08.29 | Gargantua | does sshfs just use fuse+scp? |
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| 11:08.39 | jelly | no, fuse and sftp. |
| 11:08.56 | Gargantua | that sounds like it was a fun project to make |
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| 11:09.29 | Gargantua | basically an sftp client that lays things out with fuse, nom nom |
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| 11:11.31 | jpinx | lives on sshfs ;) |
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| 11:12.53 | jpinx | that doesn't mean I know a whole lot about it - apart from the fact that it's quite wobbly :) |
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| 11:20.29 | jelly | it's quite decent now it has -o reconnect |
| 11:21.15 | jelly | I'm using it for mp3s on the local notwork instead of autofs and nfs |
| 11:22.02 | ChrisH | hmmm, as no_gravity does not show up again. Is that a good sign and he has no further question, or is he still stuck in rebooting. |
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| 11:22.35 | ChrisH | jelly: I tried it once to mount my mp3 from home at work, but it was horrible slow. |
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| 11:23.03 | Gargantua | Doesn't mpd do broadcast? |
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| 11:23.50 | helena | Gargantua: Yes it does. |
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| 11:33.17 | heoa | How can I check wether my home -dir is mounted with noexec -setting? |
| 11:33.27 | heoa | err whether |
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| 11:34.52 | ChrisH | heoa: check the outoput of: mount ; cat /etc/mtab ; cat /proc/mounts |
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| 11:35.35 | jelly | ChrisH: home dsl or cable lines often have crippled upload bandwidth |
| 11:36.45 | ChrisH | jelly: bandwith@work is not the limiting factor :) |
| 11:37.50 | jelly | ChrisH: correct. |
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| 11:41.40 | heoa | ChrisH: http://pastie.org/4596775 , I cannot find any home |
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| 11:43.01 | ChrisH | heoa: what does 'cd && df -h .' show as mountpoint? |
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| 11:44.11 | err-or | hi guys, is it possible to revert formerly done dist-upgrade's ? a co-worker of me has done that but thats not recommended by our telephony provider. also we have some strange issues now. is it possible to get back to system state before some apt-get dist-upgrades? |
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| 11:46.57 | heoa | ChrisH: http://pastie.org/4596806 that the fs is /dev/sda1 |
| 11:47.10 | jelly | err-or: there's no supported way to do that, but you can inspect the dpkg/apt/aptitude logs, find out the previous versions of packages, then get them from snapshot.debian.org and downgrade each |
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| 11:47.58 | ChrisH | err-or: recover from a tested backup state might be another option.... |
| 11:48.23 | jelly | err-or: this might make some of the services completely broken, eg. if it's a database and its schema was changed in a backward incompatible way |
| 11:48.28 | blackshirt | hello,. i have a broken apt.. |
| 11:48.39 | blackshirt | i tried to remove phpldapadmin |
| 11:48.41 | blackshirt | but Removing phpldapadmin ... |
| 11:48.42 | blackshirt | dpkg: error processing phpldapadmin (--purge): |
| 11:48.42 | blackshirt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.42 | blackshirt | configured to not write apport reports |
| 11:48.42 | blackshirt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.42 | blackshirt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.42 | dpkg | blackshirt: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 11:48.42 | blackshirt | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 11:49.14 | blackshirt | what the problems ? |
| 11:49.19 | heoa | ChrisH: my home is not mounted with noexec: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) ? |
| 11:49.20 | blackshirt | can someone help me ? |
| 11:49.48 | heoa | (only proc, sysfs -- are noexec |
| 11:50.00 | blackshirt | jelly |
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| 11:50.11 | jelly | blackshirt: yes? |
| 11:50.18 | blackshirt | can you help me ? |
| 11:50.26 | err-or | jelly: yeah theres an mysql db running in the background. afaik there was a version bump in the past. would be the best idea to setup a new server, recover files from backup and have a look if something fails. |
| 11:50.40 | jelly | blackshirt: no, I don't have time to help you for free right now |
| 11:50.48 | jelly | ask the whole channel |
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| 11:52.39 | ChrisH | heoa: Took some cross checks in man mount. Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async. <-- that means, as there is no noexec in your output, your home (located on the same Filesystem as /) is not mounted noexec. (too many no's and not's in there :) |
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| 11:53.24 | blackshirt | hello |
| 11:55.02 | ChrisH | err-or: Sounds like a plan... Upgrading a production system with having a test and a fallback plan is... well optimistic |
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| 11:56.32 | heoa | ChrisH: Roger, thank you -- which man you previewd? |
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| 11:56.34 | Gargantua | blackshirt: use a pastebin and show us the full output of that |
| 11:57.06 | Gargantua | as well as the command you used |
| 11:57.22 | ChrisH | heoa: simply man mount and search for defaults |
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| 11:58.50 | infoclogged | i am looking for a very old kernel version. |
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| 11:59.11 | infoclogged | in the document that I am following it is written as Debian Sarge 2.6 |
| 11:59.23 | infoclogged | has anyone got an idea where I can get it? |
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| 12:01.02 | Gargantua | If you just want the kernel, kernel.org has archives. |
| 12:01.18 | gnarface | would not recommend following documentation that old |
| 12:01.36 | gnarface | would also not recommend installing sarge |
| 12:02.12 | Gargantua | infoclogged: what document are you following? |
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| 12:03.02 | infoclogged | Gargantua: its a specific documentaiton about how to run a particular software. |
| 12:03.15 | jelly | infoclogged: http://archive.debian.org/ has packages for previous debian releases, including debian 3.1 (codename sarge) |
| 12:03.48 | ksuhku | sarge used 2.4.27 according to distrowatch |
| 12:03.50 | Gargantua | infoclogged: whatever it is, I'm sure there is either a newer version or a newer tool for the same job. |
| 12:04.28 | infoclogged | Gargantua: if the old one works as written in the docs, then I dont have any probs doing some research with newer versions. |
| 12:04.29 | ChrisH | wonders why kernel 2.4.27 is named a very old kernel version? |
| 12:04.31 | abrotman | ksuhku: it had both |
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| 12:04.42 | abrotman | wait, no .. ignore that |
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| 12:04.59 | Gargantua | Because the kernel's up to 3.2 |
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| 12:05.25 | infoclogged | jelly: thanks for the answer. Does it makes sense - Debian Sarge and kernel 2.6? |
| 12:05.31 | ksuhku | maybe he works for a computing museum |
| 12:05.37 | Gargantua | lol |
| 12:05.44 | jelly | infoclogged: yes. it had a 2.4 and a 2.6 version shipped... http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/ |
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| 12:06.15 | Gargantua | I've been in that boat, finding this gem documentation only to realize it's about some prehistoric version |
| 12:06.30 | infoclogged | jelly: ok , that makes sense because the doc which I am following is from 2008 |
| 12:06.55 | gnarface | sarge was only 2008? seems longer ago... |
| 12:06.59 | jelly | ksuhku: I wouldn't trust distrowatch with details |
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| 12:07.10 | ksuhku | jelly, ok |
| 12:07.15 | ChrisH | Old Kernel Versions are 0.99 :) |
| 12:07.19 | infoclogged | jelly: so there is .dsc, .deb and tar.gz. |
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| 12:07.30 | infoclogged | which one is relevant for me? I was looking for a .iso though. |
| 12:07.47 | jelly | infoclogged: I have no idea what you're after. |
| 12:07.52 | Gargantua | you asked for a kernel |
| 12:08.11 | jelly | infoclogged: kernel-image-*.deb contains the kernel and modules |
| 12:08.31 | jelly | .dsc, .diff.gz and .tar.gz are source components |
| 12:08.32 | gnarface | uh... its linux-image now isn't it? |
| 12:08.40 | jelly | gnarface: yes it is |
| 12:09.04 | Gargantua | Makes sense now that we have other kernels to chose from :] |
| 12:09.08 | Gargantua | choose* |
| 12:09.57 | infoclogged | jelly: got it. That means, the link that you showed me is only the source code, but there should be some kind of a disc ( distribution ) from Debian which was bundled with 2.6 kernen for i386. |
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| 12:10.27 | Gargantua | What if you come across a bug or have a problem? No one here is going to help. |
| 12:10.46 | Gargantua | What makes you think whatever software you're working on isn't backwards-compatible? |
| 12:11.15 | Gargantua | What about the thousands of security fixes? |
| 12:11.17 | infoclogged | Gargantua: u are not getting the point. I already answered you. |
| 12:11.47 | Gargantua | Suit yourself man. |
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| 12:12.13 | jelly | infoclogged: you want an installer image for sarge? |
| 12:12.17 | infoclogged | Gargantua: if you can help me locate a debian distribution on the internet with kernel 2.6 then it would be helpful. |
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| 12:12.35 | ksuhku | infoclogged, download squeeze, the current stable then |
| 12:12.51 | daemonkeeper | Any Debian release since Sarge featured a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 12:13.04 | infoclogged | jelly: yes, which I can burn on a CD and then install on a 1386 PC. |
| 12:13.28 | jelly | infoclogged: you're also going to need matching old hardware or VM to be able to install it |
| 12:13.35 | boudiccas | infoclogged: 1386? you mean i386 |
| 12:13.41 | infoclogged | type |
| 12:13.44 | infoclogged | typo |
| 12:13.57 | daemonkeeper | Literally 386 or "386 arch2? |
| 12:14.21 | infoclogged | jelly: already have the hardware. just need the corresponding OS |
| 12:14.25 | jelly | infoclogged: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
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| 12:15.39 | infoclogged | jelly: wow, you sure know how to come directly to answers ! |
| 12:15.51 | infoclogged | instead of beating around the bush.. hail man. |
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| 12:17.01 | Speedstick | is debian linux? |
| 12:17.19 | gry | yes |
| 12:17.27 | ksuhku | linux is one kernel debian can use |
| 12:17.37 | RichiH | but it's the main kernel |
| 12:17.41 | RichiH | or the one of choice |
| 12:17.42 | jelly | infoclogged: if your software works with "debian sarge, kernel 2.6, _or better_" you might want to use the current release instead |
| 12:17.56 | RichiH | Speedstick: for your context, "yes" is enough for now |
| 12:17.57 | RichiH | :p |
| 12:18.02 | Blodwig | technically it would be GNU/linux |
| 12:18.13 | daemonkeeper | Technically it wouldn't. |
| 12:18.23 | Gargantua | Oh boyl. |
| 12:18.32 | RichiH | here we go ;) |
| 12:18.33 | gry | RichiH, :) |
| 12:18.34 | ChrisH | Speedstick: try to reword your question :) |
| 12:18.35 | daemonkeeper | What RichiH silently ignored on purpose is, that Debian also features a FreeBSD kernel. :) |
| 12:18.38 | Gargantua | throws in a vim vs. emacs |
| 12:18.47 | RichiH | daemonkeeper: and hurd |
| 12:18.48 | ksuhku | and a hurd kernel |
| 12:18.53 | daemonkeeper | RichiH: Hurd is a Port. |
| 12:19.00 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/185828/ <- this does not make any sense, does it? |
| 12:19.03 | infoclogged | jelly: ofcourse.. but first things first. basically the software goes deep to socket programming and uses kernel headers which I am sure, might not be compatible to the current. |
| 12:19.05 | Speedstick | daemon dangit you beat me to it |
| 12:19.11 | RichiH | daemonkeeper: it's still debian |
| 12:19.18 | Speedstick | was gonna ask if debian is linux what is it with bsd kernel :p |
| 12:19.19 | daemonkeeper | RichiH: Technically not :> |
| 12:19.21 | RichiH | well, "debian" |
| 12:19.30 | infoclogged | jelly: one more thing.. how can I see from the list of Cdimage that you pointed to, which one is based on kerne 2.6? |
| 12:19.49 | Gargantua | infoclogged: I followed a socket programming book from the 80's with no problem. |
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| 12:20.04 | daemonkeeper | infoclogged: There is no 2.4 image since eons. |
| 12:20.05 | infoclogged | it just shows the name of the image. |
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| 12:20.34 | daemonkeeper | The last Debian release featuring a 2.4 kernel _only_ was Woody I think. That was 2002. |
| 12:20.40 | FDFlock | doesn 't understand why anyone would use Hurd or FreeBSD, unless they use Debian only as a toy :-P |
| 12:20.40 | infoclogged | Gargantua: have you ever heard about low level CAN framework? |
| 12:20.42 | jelly | infoclogged: FIIK. I think the sarge d-i has both 2.4 and 2.6 and you can choose 2.6 with a boot parameter |
| 12:20.50 | Gargantua | Yes |
| 12:20.51 | daemonkeeper | Yep |
| 12:21.06 | ChrisH | RichiH: I can only see that the kernel is notable to find /opt/MegaRAID/VmwareKL/MegaCliKL |
| 12:21.21 | ansgar | FDFlock: I heard some people like ZFS. |
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| 12:21.39 | infoclogged | Gargantua: good for you and thanks for your info. bye bye. |
| 12:21.49 | daemonkeeper | FDFlock: or pf. |
| 12:21.50 | Gargantua | You might want to look at socketcan |
| 12:21.53 | RichiH | ChrisH: yes. problem is, it's there |
| 12:21.53 | FDFlock | ansgar: good answer |
| 12:22.05 | RichiH | ChrisH: and the executable throwing that error... |
| 12:22.09 | RichiH | is /opt/MegaRAID/VmwareKL/MegaCliKL |
| 12:22.18 | RichiH | which annoys me |
| 12:22.20 | ChrisH | RichiH: OK. then plase pastebin: ls -l /opt/MegaRAID/VmwareKL/MegaCliKL ; file /opt/MegaRAID/VmwareKL/MegaCliKL ; df -h /opt/MegaRAID/VmwareKL/MegaCliKL |
| 12:22.46 | FDFlock | Still, I see no reason for ZFS (for MY needs) |
| 12:22.48 | jelly | infoclogged: so you have a matching thinkpad T30 or so to go with your CAN software? :-) |
| 12:22.48 | Speedstick | I was banned for going against solaris fork chans ZFS > raid, or rather questioning if it were superior why it wasn't popular like raid in the same space |
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| 12:23.05 | Speedstick | ZFS needs ton of mem that's for sure |
| 12:23.13 | RichiH | http://paste.debian.net/185830/ |
| 12:23.29 | ChrisH | FDFlock: sounds like you never used it.... With ZFS on-error could simply roll back to pre-distupgrade |
| 12:23.38 | RichiH | ChrisH: it's a 64 bit system |
| 12:23.39 | Speedstick | http://zfsonlinux.org/ |
| 12:23.45 | RichiH | that may be it... |
| 12:23.46 | daemonkeeper | Speedstick: Doesn't scale. |
| 12:24.13 | jelly | daemonkeeper: dunno, a lot of disks fits in those thumper boxen |
| 12:24.23 | ChrisH | RichiH: GNU/Linux 2.2.5 <-- that leads me to: ldd -v /opt/MegaRAID/VmwareKL/MegaCliKL please pasetebin |
| 12:25.03 | Speedstick | daemonkeep yeah I figured there was a real reason short of raid is older |
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| 12:25.14 | Speedstick | is that the only biggy? |
| 12:25.33 | daemonkeeper | Speedstick: RAID and ZFS are apples and oranges. |
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| 12:25.55 | RichiH | not a dynamic executable |
| 12:25.58 | RichiH | ChrisH: |
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| 12:26.48 | FDFlock | Silly question, but what's the current Wheezy release date estimation? (I'm not interested in specific dates, of course) |
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| 12:27.02 | jelly | FDFlock: /msg dpkg wheezy pool 1 |
| 12:27.08 | jelly | FDFlock: /msg dpkg wheezy bet |
| 12:27.33 | RichiH | FDFlock: your best bet is to look at the bug numbers |
| 12:27.48 | RichiH | though now that i say that, the rss is devoid of recent entries |
| 12:28.09 | FDFlock | jelly: haha! |
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| 12:28.46 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 12:28.47 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
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| 12:29.25 | RichiH | ChrisH: so, basically, i need to get a 64 bit binary or 32 bit compability libs |
| 12:29.49 | infoclogged | jelly: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current/i386/iso-cd/ is the list of the current release which I am parallely downloading... There are 52 iso images over there !? I dont have to download all of them right? |
| 12:30.12 | ChrisH | RichiH: You have a static binary on a 64bit system? then, yes get a 64bit binary or try to get 32bit libs |
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| 12:31.58 | blackshirt | Gargantua, help me .. this output http://paste.debian.net/185832/ |
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| 12:32.24 | anddam | where can I find the iso on mirrors? |
| 12:32.27 | blackshirt | chrisH, hello |
| 12:33.14 | daemonkeeper | anddam: infoclogged accidentally pointed you to it a minute ago. |
| 12:33.36 | anddam | I mean I see a mirror with debian debian-archive debian-backports and debian-multimedia but no debian-cd |
| 12:33.57 | daemonkeeper | Your favorite mirror may not contain ISO images. |
| 12:34.10 | daemonkeeper | Pick one: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 12:34.33 | RichiH | ChrisH: i hate lsi |
| 12:34.35 | Gargantua | blackshirt: try apt-get remove phpldapadmin instead. |
| 12:34.58 | anddam | daemonkeeper: probably that's the point, I was searching a fast national mirror but couldn't find the iso, I wasn't sure about the path |
| 12:34.59 | blackshirt | gargantua, wait a minute |
| 12:35.16 | anddam | it should be in a debian-cd folder as per http://www.debian.org/mirror , right? |
| 12:35.24 | ChrisH | RichiH: thats the reason I prefer SW Raids. |
| 12:35.33 | blackshirt | gargantua, still the same error |
| 12:35.56 | anddam | daemonkeeper: I was redirected to http://napoleon.acc.umu.se/ that went on at ~14 kB/s for a while |
| 12:36.13 | FGH` | hi |
| 12:36.33 | FGH` | is there some kinda burn in test for debian. that i can push the cpu and memory load for testing > |
| 12:36.41 | daemonkeeper | anddam: There is a direct link associated with each mirror on the page I gave you. |
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| 12:37.04 | bolt | FGH`: cpuburn and memtest86 have always served me well |
| 12:37.30 | FGH` | bolt thanks |
| 12:37.55 | blackshirt | Gargantua, how to solve them ? |
| 12:38.10 | anddam | daemonkeeper: right, thanks |
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| 12:38.33 | infoclogged | daemonkeeper: but why are there so many CD images? to be precise 52 in total !? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:38.51 | jpinx | jelly: back to sshfs -o, What does the -o actually do, 'cos it doesn't reconnect after a break? |
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| 12:39.10 | daemonkeeper | infoclogged: Because this is how large Debian is as of these days. Unless you are installing Debian on a offline site without Internet access you don't need them. |
| 12:39.55 | jpinx | infoclogged: you really need only the base system and then install the packages you need |
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| 12:40.00 | daemonkeeper | infoclogged: The first CD is enough to set-up a full Debian system usable to install whatever remaining software you like. |
| 12:40.19 | Gargantua | blackshirt: try a sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get autoremove; sudo apt-get -f install; |
| 12:41.02 | infoclogged | daemonkeeper: what is the first CD: the lowest number or the highest number? How can the user even know this? |
| 12:41.08 | jpinx | but the netinstall is so easy - it seems silly to waste time downloading and burning even one CD when you can install from a flash drive |
| 12:41.13 | pLT-m3 | hey, is it possible to install nagios without apache? |
| 12:41.21 | daemonkeeper | infoclogged: The lowest. |
| 12:41.46 | daemonkeeper | infoclogged: Users typically access images from the web site. http://www.debian.org/ - top right corner :) |
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| 12:42.29 | infoclogged | daemonkeeper: got it. |
| 12:42.46 | daemonkeeper | pLT-m3: Nagios as in nrpe or the actuall thing? |
| 12:43.05 | ksuhku | FGH`, there's also a package called stress |
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| 12:44.05 | infoclogged | daemeonkeeper, jelly: one last thing.. what about the virtual images. I have a windows 64 bit host and how can i find the latest virtual image to be able to run with VMware. |
| 12:44.19 | Speedstick | if I take debian 6 and change up default packages and colors is that considered a new distro |
| 12:45.14 | pLT-m3 | daemonkeeper: actuall thing |
| 12:45.23 | daemonkeeper | infoclogged: There is no such thing. You can use the regular installation CD. You probably mean disk images ready to use in Vmware which are not provided. |
| 12:45.39 | jelly | infoclogged: debian has no official vmdk or other read images |
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| 12:46.39 | daemonkeeper | pLT-m3: Install the web server you want along nagios. By default it picks mod_php5, but running through CGI works, too. |
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| 12:50.06 | grifx | Hello guys, i'm french. I'm connected to my personnal wifi |
| 12:50.14 | grifx | But |
| 12:50.16 | Speedstick | lol |
| 12:50.21 | grifx | I can go to skype |
| 12:50.33 | grifx | But not to go to iceweasel or chromium |
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| 12:50.39 | grifx | Speedstick: It wasn't a joke :) |
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| 12:51.00 | grifx | And with the cable |
| 12:51.06 | ksuhku | !fr |
| 12:51.07 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 12:51.09 | grifx | I can go to iceweasel |
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| 12:52.41 | Gargantua | No #debian-ar? :( |
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| 12:52.57 | daemonkeeper | Gargantua: #debian-es doesn't do the job? |
| 12:53.12 | Max^ | !fi |
| 12:53.13 | dpkg | it has been said that fi is Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi |
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| 12:53.15 | Max^ | k |
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| 12:55.10 | dvorak_ | Hi there! I want to make a blank image of a given resolution (two variables, $width and $height) and color and I want it to display a text ($string). I have found a command that does what I want with an exception: echo $string | convert -antialias -background yellow -page 1024x70 text:- 1.jpg The problem is that instead of 1024x70 I want to have $widthx$height, but that doesn't seem to work. Can anybody please help me fix that? |
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| 12:56.21 | Gargantua | dvorak_: try ${width} |
| 12:56.24 | anddam | dvorak_: I guess that's OT, and you should show the failing line anyway |
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| 12:56.34 | wZ | Hi fellow debian users. |
| 12:56.37 | Gargantua | ${width}x${height} |
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| 12:57.09 | Gargantua | The problem is that bash doesn't know if you want a variable called widthx or width. ${} can be used to tell them apart. |
| 12:57.27 | dvorak_ | Gargantua: thanks a lot! |
| 12:57.43 | Gargantua | np |
| 12:57.44 | wZ | I have about 800 deb servers. I need to centralize of start some update management thing. I want to exclude servers from updates, choose what security updates I want to rollout etc ... is there any package that does that ? A strategy document or something ? |
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| 12:59.25 | daemonkeeper | wZ: Chef/CFEngine/Puppet are the typical answers to that. |
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| 13:00.03 | SpComb | wZ: a local apt repo and unattended-upgrade |
| 13:00.04 | wZ | daemonkeeper: docs say that puppet is not the best tool to handle updates ? |
| 13:00.22 | wZ | SpComb: now that is a start, can you give me some more info |
| 13:00.46 | Gargantua | SpComb: that is an interesting solution |
| 13:00.51 | wZ | SpComb: You probably mean that I have a local repo, I don't sync the security updates to it unless the ones I really want to do ? |
| 13:00.56 | daemonkeeper | !cron-apt |
| 13:00.56 | dpkg | cron-apt is a highly configurable tool to help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust security.debian.org to never have broken packages, or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror, seeded with updated packages after your own testing. See also <cron-apt tips> <auto update> <apticron>. |
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| 13:01.51 | SpComb | you can configure the machies (via e.g. puppet) to run unattended-upgrades every day, configuring it to automatically install updates that you've tested and pushed to your local apt mirror |
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| 13:02.20 | SpComb | or just squeeze-security directly, but with 800 machines you probably want a local mirror anyways |
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| 13:02.33 | SpComb | plus testing to validate the updates |
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| 13:02.51 | daemonkeeper | SpComb: Depeding on the actual use, an apt proxy may be better. |
| 13:03.03 | wZ | SpComb: ok, I already gave a local mirror that is always in sync with the debian repo's |
| 13:03.29 | wZ | SpComb: if I break the sync script and only push the .deb's I want to see upgraded ... i'm in business right ? :) |
| 13:03.46 | SpComb | I have a small enough set of servers that I just directly install stable point releases and squeeze-security |
| 13:03.46 | wZ | keeping in mind that unattended upgrades trough puppet will handle the apt-updates |
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| 13:04.34 | SpComb | *directly have unattended-upgrades install |
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| 13:05.21 | wZ | SpComb: ok, that part is clear. Only the repo thing. Am I correct to say that I don't sync security updates anymore to my local repo and just inject the debs I want to see upgraded ? |
| 13:05.31 | wZ | after testing ofcourse. |
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| 13:05.43 | SpComb | I haven't dealt with apt mirrors myself |
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| 13:08.53 | daemonkeeper | wZ: Yes. This is substantial work, however. |
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| 13:10.45 | wZ | daemonkeeper: Yes it will still be a large testing job to handle |
| 13:10.58 | boudiccas | i'm just trying out xfce on wheezy and i've come across a problem, how do you change the colour of the background in a terminal please? currently its all black with black writing, which i obviously cant read so need to change it |
| 13:11.11 | wZ | daemonkeeper: then again, with +800 boxes, and 1200 by the end of the year .... I don't think i'll have another solution |
| 13:11.32 | daemonkeeper | wZ: $ wc -l .ssh/known_hosts |
| 13:11.33 | daemonkeeper | 2296 .ssh/known_hosts <- I know your situation. |
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| 13:11.51 | SpComb | what are you currently using for managing them? |
| 13:11.55 | SpComb | cssh? |
| 13:11.55 | wZ | daemonkeeper: how do you do it then? |
| 13:12.36 | SpComb | I have maybe half a dozen servers, and 98% is puppetized... probably kinda overengineered :) |
| 13:12.41 | daemonkeeper | SpComb: I wrote my own plug-in for KDE's konsole. cssh does not work interactively, whereas konsole can (and be automated). |
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| 13:13.56 | Skilz | I thought KDE uses ksh? |
| 13:14.13 | daemonkeeper | ksh is the korn shell and has nothing to do with the terminal emulator. |
| 13:14.46 | daemonkeeper | SpComb, wZ: Sadly we have no homogeneous way to manage them all. Way too much diversity :/. However, for the basic stuff I have a full Debian mirror + unattended upgrades of security updates through cron-apt. |
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| 13:15.19 | SpComb | daemonkeeper: and for installs? images, preseeds, custom packages? |
| 13:15.20 | daemonkeeper | And some configuration and meta-packages. |
| 13:15.31 | Speedstick | I think xfce looks awesome, is great on resources, easy to use and does everything I need |
| 13:15.53 | Speedstick | don't ever see myself slowin debian down with kde or gnome in the future :) |
| 13:16.01 | daemonkeeper | SpComb: We're bootstrapping ourselves through scripts I wrote, and yes, some custom packages. |
| 13:16.53 | SpComb | puppet ends up being pretty hairy often, sometimes really simple things can end up being really hard at the level of abstraction that you're working at |
| 13:17.01 | daemonkeeper | I agree. |
| 13:17.13 | daemonkeeper | Yet it is powerful. |
| 13:17.21 | daemonkeeper | And saves lots of repitition. |
| 13:17.25 | daemonkeeper | *repetition. |
| 13:17.35 | boudiccas | daemonand SpComb; interesting though you're chat is, its offtopic for this channel, could you take it to #debian-offtopic please? |
| 13:18.04 | boudiccas | make that daemonkeeper |
| 13:18.08 | jelly | boudiccas: right click in xfce4-terminal -> preferences? |
| 13:18.27 | daemonkeeper | doesn't see how this would be off-topic. |
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| 13:36.48 | GuidoLamacchina | hi. Is there a general linux channel (like #linux) usable by unregistered users ? ( sorry for the offtopic) |
| 13:37.17 | wZ | boudiccas: this is not off topic. |
| 13:39.14 | GuidoLamacchina | mmm, you're right. it's not offtopic, since debian is a linux distr. |
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| 13:39.37 | colo-work | is anyone in here using Pidgin from Squeeze to connect to ICQ? if so, does that work for you? |
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| 13:46.15 | ChrisH | colo-work: I am using pidgin, but the 2.10.2-1 from wheezy and thats working. |
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| 13:49.11 | Gargantua | colo-work: it always crashes when I try to add a skype login account. |
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| 13:52.23 | ChrisH | colo-work: IIRC I am using squeeze at home and there its working, too. Why are you asking? |
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| 13:53.30 | revelc66 | hi debian |
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| 13:54.00 | revelc66 | i have a problem it´s not a linux problem based but i need to use some linux tools |
| 13:54.11 | Shadow` | what was that name for that text based browser? |
| 13:54.17 | revelc66 | i have a java app |
| 13:54.20 | Gargantua | links, lynx, w3m |
| 13:54.57 | mc0e | links2, elinks |
| 13:55.11 | Gargantua | apropos browser | grep text |
| 13:55.37 | revelc66 | and this app take to 100 % cpu usage when the remote host that is trying to access is unavailable |
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| 13:56.02 | revelc66 | i need tools to now what this process is doing |
| 13:56.12 | Shadow` | thanks |
| 13:56.36 | mc0e | revelc66: you probably want some java specific tools, but strace and ltrace might help |
| 13:56.40 | ChrisH | revelc66: go and ask the vendor/programmer to fix it. Debung java apps using strace and co dows not make fun. |
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| 13:57.57 | SPF | revelc66: you could look into jconsole as wel |
| 13:58.28 | mc0e | I agree with chrish, but strace/ltrace might give you what you need to demonstrate that they have a problem they need to fix |
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| 14:00.57 | tdrusk1 | Good morning all you wonderful debianites! I hope everyone is having a great day! |
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| 14:01.18 | snama | good morning! |
| 14:01.27 | snama | or rather, good after noon |
| 14:02.19 | mc0e | I've been looking for some sort of centralised control of package versions for machines on my network. I've come across stuff about debmarshal, but most of the pages about it are a few years old. What alternatives are available now, and what's considered good? |
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| 14:03.17 | mc0e | I want a central point where I can see what updates are available, and say what updates should happen, separately for prodcution and testing machines |
| 14:03.31 | Gargantua | mc0e: wZ just wanted pretty much the same thing, the answers were puppet, cfengine, chef. |
| 14:03.41 | Gargantua | or running a local repo |
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| 14:03.48 | Gargantua | might want to ask him to see what he came up with |
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| 14:04.16 | rhinorrhea | if i have the nodev mount option on /home, will that prevent me from making a usable tmpfs folder at /home/name/ram? |
| 14:04.17 | wZ | mc0e: a local repo with unattended-updates maintained by puppet is the best solution :) |
| 14:05.08 | mc0e | ok, and debmarshal is a tool for managing the local repo, with versioning and so forth. Sounds less than user friendly, but in the right space |
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| 14:05.32 | mc0e | but with all the references from 2009,2010, I was thinking maybe something had replaced it |
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| 14:07.20 | Gargantua | There are other tools |
| 14:07.39 | Gargantua | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
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| 14:08.21 | Gargantua | reprepro looks good |
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| 14:09.29 | daemonkeeper | There are several tools. reprepro is my choice, but not really the easiest tool to deal with. debarchiver or mini-dinstall are a bit easier to handle. If you need more complicated stuff, reprepro is your favorite choice. |
| 14:10.35 | daemonkeeper | Oh and there is dak. |
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| 14:10.45 | daemonkeeper | Nobody wants to use dak. |
| 14:10.57 | daemonkeeper | But it does everything, obviously. :> |
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| 14:11.55 | mc0e | what are the limitations on debarchiver and mini-dinstall? |
| 14:11.59 | Animanera | ciao |
| 14:12.04 | Animanera | lista! |
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| 14:13.36 | daemonkeeper | mc0e: I think both don't support signed archives, they do not support branches (afaict, I could be wrong) and don't provide some optional meta data. |
| 14:14.06 | daemonkeeper | For basic stuff like "I want to have a simple repository for my few packages" they work good enough. |
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| 14:14.35 | ansgar | I find reprepro quite easy to use. |
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| 14:14.58 | daemonkeeper | Well, YOU can also deal with dak, that doesn't say anything :p |
| 14:15.00 | ansgar | But I have never looked at debarchiver, mini-dinstall or plain apt-ftparchive. |
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| 14:15.38 | daemonkeeper | The latter really soon shows its limitations. |
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| 14:24.04 | revelc66 | mc0e, thanks |
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| 14:24.32 | revelc66 | ChrisH, they don't support linux |
| 14:24.49 | revelc66 | SPF, thanks good idea |
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| 14:28.32 | Andy1978 | revelc66: ? |
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| 14:31.54 | ChrisH | revelc66: retry on a supported platform and expect to see the same error. contact them again :) |
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| 14:43.23 | eevar | i want a symlink, e.g. source_code from my home dir to somewhere on / , to take advantage of the ssd. where do I put it? under /srv, /var, or somewhere else? |
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| 14:46.46 | eevar | ./srv/ssdhome/mylogin sound ok? |
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| 14:48.58 | jokerdino | hey guys. i have run into another problem here.. |
| 14:49.07 | jokerdino | E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'default-jre'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2) |
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| 14:49.13 | jokerdino | how do i resolve that on a chroot? |
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| 14:54.36 | gnat_x | eevar: /srv is a good place. that and/or /usr/local/ depending on what you're doing. |
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| 14:56.01 | eevar | gnat_x: ok, thanks |
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| 14:56.43 | cardamon | I moved from nvidia to nouveau, blacklisted nouveau, backed up and deleted my xorg.conf...it works fine but now I'm trying get Xorg to generate a new config and it's complaing that it can't find the nvidia device. |
| 14:56.52 | cardamon | er blacklisted nvidia |
| 14:57.24 | kettlecooked | Just started a fresh Debian 6.0 VPS. First command I run is, as root, "apt-get update". I'm getting several 404 errors. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:57.42 | Gargantua | how are you generating the new config cardamon? |
| 14:57.53 | Speedstick | try sudo apt-get update kettle |
| 14:57.57 | cardamon | Xorg -configure |
| 14:58.11 | cardamon | And yes, I stopped X first. |
| 14:58.14 | kettlecooked | Speedstick: yeah, it produces the same results. I'm logged in as root |
| 14:58.38 | Speedstick | you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list probably |
| 14:58.42 | Speedstick | so nano or vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:58.45 | Gargantua | There's another way to regenerate the conf with "X --something" isn't there? |
| 14:58.46 | Speedstick | and add uh |
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| 14:58.53 | Speedstick | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 14:58.58 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 14:59.13 | Speedstick | or replace that with deb ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ |
| 14:59.18 | Gargantua | I use the fglrx driver and they have a utility that sets xorg up, maybe nouveau does the same? |
| 14:59.18 | ZenWalker | Can i activate tomtom maps on debian= |
| 14:59.19 | ZenWalker | ?ç |
| 14:59.50 | Speedstick | after you're done try again kettle |
| 15:00.17 | cardamon | Gargantua: The issue is WHY is it trying to load nvidia, a blacklisted module? |
| 15:00.24 | kettlecooked | Speedstick: I'm nanoing the sources.list right now, do you mean I should switch the first line's source (deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free) to just deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/? |
| 15:00.32 | Gargantua | good question |
| 15:01.08 | Speedstick | no |
| 15:01.13 | Speedstick | just add deb ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ to the end |
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| 15:01.14 | kettlecooked | Speedstick: this is my current: http://pastebin.com/avimx86x |
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| 15:01.32 | Gargantua | cardamon: try modprobe -l | grep nouveau maybe? |
| 15:01.51 | Gargantua | err, nvidia |
| 15:01.53 | kettlecooked | Speedstick: I tried that and now it says it's malformed |
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| 15:02.14 | Gargantua | if it exists try modprobe -r onit |
| 15:02.16 | kettlecooked | Speedstick: looking like this now: http://pastebin.com/TWpEvvKW |
| 15:02.22 | cardamon | nouveau's there. |
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| 15:02.26 | Gargantua | then check /etc/modules, it might be loading up there |
| 15:02.46 | Gargantua | I dunno where else modules loads tbh |
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| 15:03.48 | cardamon | Don't have one. |
| 15:03.55 | Speedstick | kettle try adding main contrib non-free to end of that line |
| 15:05.01 | Speedstick | actually nevermind your source list looks fine |
| 15:05.09 | Speedstick | dns is messed up i think |
| 15:05.10 | kettlecooked | Speedstick: what about 'squeeze'? nano's syntax highlighting seems to indicate that 'main' is red while the others are pink |
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| 15:05.29 | Speedstick | kettle yeah the extra mirror won't help |
| 15:05.39 | Gargantua | Why don't you get netselect-apt? |
| 15:05.46 | Gargantua | It sets up sources.list nicely. |
| 15:05.54 | kettlecooked | never heard about that, just type netselect-apt? |
| 15:06.05 | Gargantua | You'd have to apt-get it first 8) |
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| 15:06.51 | kettlecooked | trying that now, processing.. |
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| 15:07.16 | Gargantua | cardamon: maybe a daemon is loading it up? check rcconf. |
| 15:07.52 | kettlecooked | Gargantua: well the netselect-apt went through, and changed nothing in sources.list :) |
| 15:08.07 | Gargantua | look in the directory you ran it in. |
| 15:08.19 | Gargantua | rtfm |
| 15:08.29 | kettlecooked | sorry.. long day |
| 15:08.40 | Gargantua | no worries, and on that note, goodnight all |
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| 15:08.54 | kettlecooked | I gtfm. (glanced tfm) |
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| 15:12.13 | Speedstick | I can't stand when people say rtfm |
| 15:12.13 | cardamon | Okay, tried something new. |
| 15:12.21 | Speedstick | too bad freenode doesn't auto +q for that |
| 15:12.36 | cardamon | I removed nvidia entirely. |
| 15:12.49 | cardamon | Xorg -configure stops looking for it. |
| 15:13.21 | ksuhku | Speedstick, if only one wouldn't have to say it... but people are lazy! |
| 15:13.26 | cardamon | But the bottom comes out "Number of configured screens does not match the number of detected devices" |
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| 15:14.14 | cardamon | Regardless of whether or not I plug in the second monitor. |
| 15:14.33 | dvorak_ | Hi there! I'm trying to add some text to an image and for that I'm using the command: convert -pointsize 20 -fill black -draw 'text 0,20 "Sample text"' 0.jpg 00.jpg The problem I'm having is that if I put instead of "Sample text" a variable such as $string the displayed text shows "$string" instead of whatever string is supposed to show. Can you tell me how do I fix this please? |
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| 15:18.45 | cardamon | Well, no luck there. |
| 15:18.57 | cardamon | Tried rebooting. |
| 15:19.11 | cardamon | So that it loaded up with no recollection of the second head. |
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| 15:24.14 | ksuhku | dvorak_, it's the single quotes, the intended variable is interpreted literally |
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| 15:27.20 | silverarrow | can someone do me a favor? Try gnasn and the browser plugin ? |
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| 15:27.40 | silverarrow | I know it is a bit cumbersome, but I cannot make it work |
| 15:28.21 | silverarrow | If others can make it work it must be I who are messing things up |
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| 15:29.22 | silverarrow | I have no adobe flash on this computer, and when I test it on i386 version it takes over right away if it is installed |
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| 15:31.59 | silverarrow | maybe too much to ask |
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| 15:34.39 | solomon | so i was looking at the postfix init script and its 'INIT INFO' section includes 'Required-Start: $syslog' and 'Required-Stop: $syslog'. I would expect that to mean that postfix would be stopped during a restart of rsyslogd, and stopped when rsyslogd is stopped. that doesn't appear to happen however. Am I missing something? |
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| 15:36.20 | solomon | I even explicitly added 'rsyslog' to these fields and nothing seemed to change. although I'm not sure if there's something I need to do in order for changes to this section of the init script to take effect |
| 15:36.42 | tharkun | I'm looking for a program that performs the same role that ssh-agent does for ssh but for general password storage. Any search term? |
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| 15:36.59 | cardamon | tharkun: keychain |
| 15:37.20 | tharkun | cardamon: Thanks |
| 15:37.22 | cardamon | Are xorg.conf's deprecated if you're using nouveau? |
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| 15:37.49 | tharkun | cardamon: It seem it works only for ssh and I want it for general purpose passwords. |
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| 15:39.02 | Oliver` | If I pipe something into `xsel -i -b -p`, I can paste it into, say, Firefox, with no troubles; how can I get it so I can also pipe it into a URxvt window without having to first paste it into Firefox and re-copy it first? |
| 15:39.25 | Oliver` | I mean, I can't paste the output into URxvt without first pasting and copying it from a Firefox window. |
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| 15:39.56 | Oliver` | Ah, found it on the Arch Wiki. |
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| 15:43.59 | Joelito | hi, does anyone know where synaptic saves its configuration settings? I'm trying to change via script the "prefered version" setting. |
| 15:46.11 | ksuhku | solomon, see http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/initscrcomconv.html |
| 15:46.17 | ksuhku | and http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/facilname.html |
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| 15:47.25 | oggei | hi |
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| 15:47.58 | solomon | ksuhku: i was referring to http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/ which seems to contain the information on both of those pages, and which caused me to expect postfix to be stopped while rsyslog was stopped :) |
| 15:48.56 | solomon | I wonder if maybe that dependency information is only used during startup and shutdown, and not when manually stopping/starting services on a running system? |
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| 15:52.14 | ksuhku | solomon, it's always good to go to the source, the information there seems clear to me and different than your interpretation |
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| 15:53.26 | jhutchins_wk | What's the trip to exclude multiple expressions in grep without multiple pipes? |
| 15:53.34 | jhutchins_wk | s/trip/trick/ |
| 15:53.36 | ksuhku | the $syslog is a reserved word and required-start:whatever means a service won't start without running whatever |
| 15:54.20 | ksuhku | ditto required stop |
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| 15:54.50 | solomon | ksuhku: that's how i'm interpreting it — postfix has Required-Stop: $syslog, which seems to indicate that postfix should be stopped before rsyslog is stopped |
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| 15:55.17 | ksuhku | no. it means postfix will not stop if logging is not working |
| 15:55.40 | tharkun | jhutchins_wk: using a file that has all the expressions IIRC |
| 15:56.02 | jhutchins_wk | I think it's just \| and \& |
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| 15:56.20 | kesroesweyth | jhutchins_wk something like this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1358511/multiple-grep-search-ignore-patterns |
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| 15:56.41 | solomon | ksuhku: hrm, i guess i'm more confused now. if 'Required-Stop: $syslog' makes it so that postfix will continue running when syslog has stopped, what does omitting $syslog do? |
| 15:57.16 | ksuhku | allow to stop the daemon without ensuring it's logged |
| 15:57.18 | jhutchins_wk | nope. |
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| 15:57.26 | kesroesweyth | I tried. :) Lunch time. |
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| 15:58.31 | Deesl | hrm |
| 15:58.44 | cardamon | Does xrandr write anything out to a config? I switched over to nouveau and figured out by brute force I might add that xorg.confs aren't necessary and xrandr's the way to go for specifying screens and orientations. |
| 15:59.06 | solomon | ksuhku: so you're saying 'Required-Stop: $syslog' means that you can't do '/etc/init.d/rsyslog stop; /etc/init.d/postfix stop'? |
| 15:59.27 | cardamon | I got xrandr to do what I want to do, but does it write this out/store it somewhere or am I going to have to do this every time X loads? |
| 15:59.27 | ksuhku | yea, that's how i read it |
| 15:59.51 | solomon | ksuhku: understand I didn't add $syslog to the Required-Stop field. I can't quite understand why upstream would have done it that way :) |
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| 16:00.03 | solomon | ksuhku: if they were reading the documentation that way :) |
| 16:00.27 | ksuhku | isn't it natural to want to log such important acts as stopping and starting postfix? |
| 16:01.23 | solomon | ksuhku: i guess so. i guess this means that there is no way to specify that postfix should never be running while rsyslog is not running? |
| 16:01.52 | ksuhku | solomon, no idea, read the spec |
| 16:01.57 | solomon | ksuhku: because it seems even more important to make sure postfix is never handling mail while logging is not functioning (that's what i'm trying to accomplish) |
| 16:02.12 | solomon | ksuhku: i read the spec, that's where I found Required-Stop, which seems like the only candidate for doing this :) |
| 16:02.55 | ksuhku | solomon, good luck |
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| 16:03.05 | solomon | thanks... |
| 16:04.04 | cardamon | Anyone know if xrandr writes out to a configuration that's run as a service, or do I have to do tedious stuff like mapping my dual-heads respective orientation myself (or by script) whenever X loads? |
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| 16:13.25 | cardamon | ... |
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| 16:16.11 | jelly | cardamon: it does not |
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| 16:17.12 | cardamon | jelly: Then I have to do this the hard way. |
| 16:17.53 | cardamon | Now how to get slim to run xrandr before login. |
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| 16:19.13 | jelly | heh, I know how you feel |
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| 16:19.47 | jelly | thankfully both xfce and kde4 deal with multiple displays in a reasonably sane way |
| 16:20.15 | jelly | so I don't _have_ to do that |
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| 16:22.46 | wow | ciao |
| 16:22.50 | lenswipe | hi guys |
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| 16:23.02 | wow | !list |
| 16:23.02 | dpkg | wow: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 16:23.02 | cardamon | I could easily add it to my .xsession, but that won't do me any good...I want it set WHEN slim runs, not when it logs in...but I'm not going to get that, am I? |
| 16:23.14 | lenswipe | can someone point me in the direction of a laptop that will run debian fairly well? |
| 16:23.23 | cardamon | Most of them. |
| 16:23.39 | lenswipe | carandraug, including the ones with broadcom wireless chipsets? right.... |
| 16:23.47 | cardamon | ...and well...none of them. But that's not our fault. |
| 16:23.47 | lenswipe | looks at his tab key |
| 16:24.22 | carandraug | lenswipe, using xchat? Go to preferences and change the autocompletion from alphabetic order to activity ;) |
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| 16:24.40 | jelly | lenswipe: thinkpad, one cpu and mainboard generation old or more, with an intel chipset and intel or atheros wifi |
| 16:24.50 | cardamon | carandraug: That got an analog in irssi? |
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| 16:24.53 | lenswipe | jelly, im trying to buy one new thouguh... |
| 16:25.02 | carandraug | cardamon, I don't know. I don't use it |
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| 16:25.15 | lenswipe | carandraug, interesting you mention that...I cant get into the menu on this version of XChat for some reason - theres no menu toolbar |
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| 16:25.26 | carandraug | lenswipe, are you using gnome xchat? |
| 16:25.41 | lenswipe | carandraug, uh...nope just regular old xchat from synaptic |
| 16:25.43 | lenswipe | i think anyway |
| 16:26.08 | jelly | lenswipe: no linux will suport latest hardware well |
| 16:26.10 | carandraug | cardamon, scripts.irssi.org/scripts/complete_lastspoke.pl |
| 16:26.21 | lenswipe | jelly, my desktop PC seems to be doing okay |
| 16:26.35 | lenswipe | jelly although it's a couple of years old now - i had to backport the kernel when i got it |
| 16:26.38 | carandraug | lenswipe, settings >preferences >input box |
| 16:26.51 | carandraug | lenswipe, on nick completion sorted selected "last-spoke order" |
| 16:27.17 | lenswipe | carandraug, let me show you |
| 16:27.22 | carandraug | lenswipe, that's weird you don't have it. I'm on Debian stable and the one at home is testing and also has it |
| 16:27.28 | cardamon | Hmm. xrandr needs some work. |
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| 16:27.35 | lenswipe | carandraug, http://imagebin.org/226037 |
| 16:28.00 | carandraug | lenswipe, right click on the middle of the chat |
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| 16:28.04 | lenswipe | that's all i see (the window decoration is there btw, the screenshot app just chops it off) |
| 16:28.10 | lenswipe | carandraug, aha! |
| 16:28.24 | KittyGirl | mail: most: No such file or directory |
| 16:28.25 | lenswipe | there we go :D |
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| 16:29.21 | KittyGirl | Help? |
| 16:29.24 | KittyGirl | Please? |
| 16:29.26 | KittyGirl | Help? |
| 16:29.27 | carandraug | lenswipe, still, I don't know why you have not toolbar... I think that happens in Ubuntu, they are all moved to the top of the window à la MacOSX |
| 16:29.37 | carandraug | top of the monitor I mean |
| 16:29.41 | lenswipe | carandraug, im on debian |
| 16:29.55 | woprr | lo |
| 16:30.01 | carandraug | lenswipe, yes. But you may have installed whatever Ubuntu does by default that makes that happen |
| 16:30.11 | lenswipe | carandraug, thats unity and it's not installed |
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| 16:31.53 | joar | so I can't connect to any of ejabberd or prosody after a dist-upgrade. |
| 16:32.35 | cardamon | Well, that worked. Finally. |
| 16:32.42 | lenswipe | so yeah can someone help me find a laptop that would work okay with debian |
| 16:32.46 | joar | nor with pidgin, gajim, empathy. |
| 16:32.53 | woprr | Q: APT::Architecture "amd64"; ... apt-config -o APT::Architecture="i386" && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade => amd64->i386 installation migration? Or breaks all? Need to downgrade for platform change from AMD K8 to AMD K7 Geode NX |
| 16:32.54 | lenswipe | something i can run debian on (i hate windows) |
| 16:32.56 | joar | neither* |
| 16:33.07 | lenswipe | ..screw it i'll use a VM |
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| 16:33.52 | jelly | KittyGirl: install "most" if your shell is configured to use that as PAGER |
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| 16:44.15 | cardamon | echo $PAGER will tell you whether or not it is. |
| 16:44.28 | cardamon | And most is good. |
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| 16:55.39 | carandraug | ksuhku, you're welcome |
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| 17:07.42 | rox | greetings, fellow debian users :-) |
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| 17:16.21 | woprr | netsplit ^^ |
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| 17:16.30 | xxNullxx | hi all |
| 17:16.35 | woprr | Q: APT::Architecture "amd64"; ... apt-config -o APT::Architecture="i386" && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade => amd64->i386 installation migration? Or breaks all? Need to downgrade for platform change from AMD K8 to AMD K7 Geode NX |
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| 17:17.42 | woprr | dpkg --get-selections >my_list.dpkg, backup /etc, fresh install... |
| 17:17.42 | dpkg | woprr: I give up, what is it? |
| 17:17.50 | woprr | lol |
| 17:18.21 | xxNullxx | what problem? |
| 17:18.23 | woprr | dpkg *kiss* |
| 17:18.23 | dpkg | looks puzzled at woprr |
| 17:18.29 | woprr | ^^ |
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| 17:21.31 | jelly-home | woprr: fresh install. |
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| 17:21.51 | woprr | oh nooo ... :-( |
| 17:21.55 | woprr | ok thx |
| 17:22.49 | woprr | but i try it anyway after backup, want to see what happens ^^ |
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| 17:31.17 | user-X | Hello. Where I should put a simple variables in system... Openbox ? |
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| 17:59.22 | gasull | Hi. My laptop doesn't find the second monitor. At least I Xfce Display settings doesn't find it, and neither does Arandr. How can I troubleshoot this? |
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| 18:01.57 | jordanm_ | gasull: are you using proprietary video drivers? |
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| 18:04.57 | Lartza | sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration doesn't change Xorg layout?? |
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| 18:07.47 | karlpinc | gasull: Do what you usually do with daemons, look at the logs. /var/log/Xorg.* |
| 18:08.54 | Lartza | How do I set the keyboard layout for X11? |
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| 18:10.54 | gasull | jordanm, karlpinc: I'm running debian testing and I haven't installed extra video drivers, as far as I know. This used to work on Friday. Since then I've installed a few programs but I don't think they would affect this: x-tile, colordiff and ristretto. |
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| 18:15.49 | gasull | http://pastebin.com/jWfGy8kJ |
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| 18:23.20 | scatenajacopo | ciao |
| 18:23.31 | scatenajacopo | !list |
| 18:23.32 | dpkg | scatenajacopo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 18:27.21 | FLeiXiuS | Is there any other way to squelch dialogs in deb installations other than DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
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| 18:27.39 | specing_ | Hello \o/ |
| 18:27.52 | dondelelcaro | FLeiXiuS: that's the method |
| 18:28.26 | specing_ | I'm attempting to make a local mirror of debian from a stack of DVDs: |
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| 18:29.06 | specing_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:29.49 | blubberdiblub | FLeiXiuS, you can also raise the debconf priority to critical, so you get only the most critical questions, if that is any help to you |
| 18:29.56 | specing_ | Is there a way to retain the signatures so that the clients don't go berserk about unsigned packages? |
| 18:30.40 | specing_ | Specifically, is there a better way of doing what Im doing that doesen't require redownloading everything? |
| 18:31.09 | dondelelcaro | specing_: you can stick all of the packages into a repository which matches the debian layout, and then use rsync to fixup everything else |
| 18:31.21 | FLeiXiuS | blubberdiblub, My problem is I'm creating an automatic installer for a product that depends on packages with dialogs. I don't want any dialogs if possible. Specifically MYSQL and its password prompt. |
| 18:31.33 | dondelelcaro | specing_: however, the signatures are actually on the release and package files, not the packages themselves. |
| 18:31.47 | specing_ | I've asked uncle google on suggestions about doing this, but all of the examples out there deal with "nginx/apache2 on ONE DVD" |
| 18:31.51 | blubberdiblub | FLeiXiuS, i think you can somehow preseed the debconf questions |
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| 18:32.01 | Sven_vB | hi |
| 18:32.22 | blubberdiblub | !tell FLeiXiuS about preseed |
| 18:32.32 | FLeiXiuS | blubberdiblub, Even through a control file depends? |
| 18:32.49 | specing_ | Though the signature problem is not as big as the debootstrap one |
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| 18:32.51 | FLeiXiuS | Let me look at it. |
| 18:33.04 | blubberdiblub | FLeiXiuS, sorry, i don't know. i never tried preseeding myself. i just know that it exists |
| 18:33.22 | specing_ | debootstrap (as invoked by xen-create-image) flips out with my hacked-up repo |
| 18:33.25 | Sven_vB | what a coincidence. i'm just learning about preseeding myself :) |
| 18:33.52 | Sven_vB | wanna query me your question since i came in a moment too late? |
| 18:34.21 | specing_ | Is there a way of *properly* creating the merged repo? Such as creating all the needed files and alike? |
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| 18:35.08 | dlam | uber debian noob here, anyone know the command to see the most-up-to-date version for a package? i wanna see if my `libmemcached4` package is up to date |
| 18:35.33 | FLeiXiuS | Sven_vB, heh I'm just interested in removing the interactive dialogs on packages, I may be able to use pre-seeding to get rid of that. |
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| 18:36.10 | dondelelcaro | dlam: apt-cache policy foopkg; will show you the versions available |
| 18:36.10 | Sven_vB | FLeiXiuS: which packages and which occasion? |
| 18:36.15 | dlam | oooo cool thx thx |
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| 18:36.42 | zhvtar | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.45 | FLeiXiuS | Sven_vB, MYSQL specifically. Preseeding only takes effect during installation from disc IIRC |
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| 18:36.49 | dondelelcaro | specing_: you can just shove all of the packages into the appropriate directories, and then use rsync to fix them up, as I said. Alternatively, you can create a directory with all of the packages and use apt-ftparchive or similar |
| 18:36.55 | r3m | ,v oh-my-ssh |
| 18:36.56 | judd | No package named 'oh-my-ssh' was found in i386. |
| 18:36.57 | FLeiXiuS | I need a preseed-like method for apt-get. |
| 18:36.57 | dondelelcaro | specing_: as far as what you serve the mirror with, that doesn't really matter |
| 18:37.07 | r3m | ,v oh-my-zsh |
| 18:37.08 | judd | No package named 'oh-my-zsh' was found in i386. |
| 18:37.22 | dondelelcaro | FLeiXiuS: it's the same thing; you just pre-populate the debconf database |
| 18:37.43 | dondelelcaro | FLeiXiuS: see dpkg-preconfigure for details |
| 18:37.54 | dondelelcaro | (or debconf(7)) |
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| 18:38.22 | Sven_vB | FLeiXiuS: you might try debconf-get-selections and debconf-set-selections. diff DGS before and after answering manually to see the names of the questions. then try purging, setting them with DSS and then installing it again. |
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| 18:39.16 | Sven_vB | well yes the dpkg way seems even better. |
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| 18:40.44 | dondelelcaro | specing_: if you want to be really crazy, there's also magicmirror which you can just shove all of the packages somewhere, and then point it at a real mirror and your collection of packages, and it will just fix them all up for you, downloading the minimum number of files to make the mirror happen |
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| 18:44.43 | Sven_vB | has anyone by chance succeeded to use an already existing and prepared partition for preseeding install? the partman receipes look overly complicated for that purpose |
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| 18:46.36 | garo | i have a netdev (wlan0) that i always bring up/down with 'ifup/ifdown wlan0', it works perfectly with both ipv4 and ipv6. |
| 18:47.06 | garo | But when i try 'ifconfig wlan0 down ; ifconfig wlan0 up', it comes down and up again for v4 but not for v6 |
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| 18:47.54 | garo | both v6 adresses (link-local and the real) are gone |
| 18:48.44 | garo | (i also have link local because i use slaac) |
| 18:49.27 | garo | Can someone explain why ifconfig can't do what ifup/down can ? |
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| 18:50.08 | nkuttler | garo: because it's a low level tool? |
| 18:52.04 | garo | shouldn't matter, i have no v6 configuration for wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:52.13 | garo | everything is found with slaac |
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| 18:54.42 | garo | oh nevermind... |
| 18:55.00 | garo | wifi wasn't configured... how dumb of me... |
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| 18:56.34 | Thom- | I should be able to start programs at boot from /etc/rc.local yea? |
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| 18:58.59 | FLeiXiuS | Thom-, Sure, but why not use the init levels? |
| 18:59.01 | Speedstick | yup |
| 18:59.34 | Thom- | FLeiXiuS dunno, not familiar with them |
| 18:59.52 | Thom- | i used rc.local myself, but helping a friend now, and for some reason its acting up |
| 18:59.56 | Thom- | some commands work, some dont |
| 19:00.04 | FLeiXiuS | Thom-, It's simple, very small switch statement. |
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| 19:00.40 | NikLP | what's the safest way to replace vim-basic with vim-full please guys? |
| 19:01.00 | jelly-home | NikLP: just install the latter |
| 19:01.36 | garo | nothing unsafe about it |
| 19:01.39 | NikLP | will that eradicate the former? |
| 19:01.48 | NikLP | and auto default to full? |
| 19:01.54 | jelly-home | ,v vim-full |
| 19:01.55 | judd | Package: vim-full on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2 |
| 19:02.04 | jelly-home | NikLP: which debian release are you using |
| 19:02.10 | NikLP | errrm |
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| 19:02.19 | garo | lsb_release -a |
| 19:02.22 | NikLP | crumbs I forget, 6 (squeeze?) |
| 19:02.27 | NikLP | must be |
| 19:02.41 | jelly-home | NikLP: what does lsb_release -sc say? |
| 19:02.49 | NikLP | 6.0.5 squeeze |
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| 19:03.24 | jelly-home | shouldn't say 6.0.5 |
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| 19:03.56 | jelly-home | frankly I have no idea which vim build replaces -full |
| 19:04.04 | jelly-home | ,whatprovides vim |
| 19:04.06 | judd | Package vim in squeeze/i386 is provided by: vim-gnome, vim-lesstif, vim-gtk, vim-nox. vim is also a real package. |
| 19:04.07 | NikLP | with -sc it just says squeeze jelly-home |
| 19:04.22 | jelly-home | NikLP: hell, just install vim |
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| 19:04.33 | NikLP | I'm sure I did that and got basic! :D |
| 19:04.37 | NikLP | I'll give it a whirl |
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| 19:06.09 | NikLP | yeah... "no packages will be installed" from aptitude install vim :/ |
| 19:06.39 | ansgar | Probably because it already is installed. Maybe apt-cache search vim- and choose what you want? |
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| 19:08.26 | NikLP | hmm well "vim" is there but... specifically I want to enable python and perl support |
| 19:08.35 | NikLP | and vim-basic is what I currently have |
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| 19:09.24 | Devastator-work | Hi, good afternoon, is it possible to create a udev rule to automount flashdrives in general to a specific location? I was reading a howto, but it used flashdrive's serial number |
| 19:09.50 | Guest3809 | ciao |
| 19:10.04 | Diopter | Devastator-work: Yes. It's quite possible. |
| 19:10.21 | ksuhku | NikLP, maybe it's a question of configuration? |
| 19:10.41 | Synthead | what does 'atd' do (in the 'at' package)? |
| 19:10.57 | xoz | NikLP: what specific support? |
| 19:10.57 | blubberdiblub | it actually executes the scheduled jobs |
| 19:11.08 | NikLP | ksuhku: don't think so - it's not compiled in so can't enable |
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| 19:11.11 | blubberdiblub | Synthead, the jobs you schedule with "at" |
| 19:11.16 | NikLP | looks like vim-nox has support for both |
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| 19:11.40 | Synthead | blubberdiblub: are there any jobs on a standard debian 6 stable installation that would fail if I removed/disabled it? |
| 19:11.56 | blubberdiblub | Synthead, usually not. i usually remove my at package, too |
| 19:12.19 | Diopter | Devastator-work: You start with udevadm monitor --property, and plug in your flash drive, then see what ACTION and SUBSYSTEM are. |
| 19:12.22 | alex-hu | I'm getting permission denied on /bin/sh when I try to su proxy. The /bin is world readable. Did I miss something obvious? |
| 19:12.48 | Synthead | blubberdiblub: great, thanks :) |
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| 19:13.48 | Diopter | Devastator-work: ACTION will probably be add and remove, respectively. Then you usually just need to add one or two more identifying criteria, and tack on a: RUN+="/path/to/script". You might also want to lookup SYMLINK and co. in the man pages |
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| 19:15.55 | blubberdiblub | Synthead, i suggest removing the package in preference to disabling the service. if you remove the package, it gets pulled back in when you install a package that actually depends on at. if you disable it, you probably won't notice anything immediately, which might be bad |
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| 19:16.55 | Synthead | blubberdiblub: eh, if something is running or isn't, I'd rather be the responsible party involved, not the package manager. That's me speaking as a minimalist, though :) |
| 19:17.02 | Synthead | $0.02 != $0.02 |
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| 19:17.53 | blubberdiblub | Synthead, you're responsible either way :P either for removing or for disabling :P |
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| 19:20.25 | blubberdiblub | Synthead, you can check with "apt-cache rdepends at" which packages depend on at. be careful with the output of that, tho. not all of those are hard dependencies. some of them are just Suggests and Recommends |
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| 19:21.59 | abrotman | at only runs when someone gives it a job .. does that randomly happen ? |
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| 19:22.25 | blubberdiblub | no, but a few programs might use at to schedule jobs |
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| 19:32.46 | Cerise | So, almost every time I do apt-get update it complains about a duplicate sources.list entry for squeeze-backports, and asks me to do apt-get update again to 'corret these problems'. When doing it the second time, that message does not appear again. What might the problem be? |
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| 19:33.22 | nickdaly | Quick Alioth.debian.org question: requesting a personal repository from within a project generates a 404 error. Where should I report this? |
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| 19:34.05 | nickdaly | The https://alioth.debian.org/plugins/scmgit/index.php page doesn't exist. |
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| 19:35.04 | Radagast | nickdaly - Not related to your question, but a humble thanks for all your work on Freedom Box. |
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| 19:35.56 | nickdaly | It's not much, but you're welcome. I think we're still on track for the end of year release I was hoping for. |
| 19:37.08 | nickdaly | I found the bug trying to move some of my repositories to Alioth today, off of the rather proprietary github. No such luck, yet, though. |
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| 19:39.39 | ksuhku | Cerise, what does your sources.list look like? |
| 19:41.30 | Cerise | ksuhku, i didn't change it much, i only added the backports entry (but still, i can nopaste it if needed) |
| 19:41.45 | ttvx | I have a high iowait and looks like linux is swapping but the are still a lot of free ram. does someone know what could be the problem |
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| 19:41.59 | ksuhku | Cerise, please do |
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| 19:43.11 | Cerise | ksuhku, http://sprunge.us/UKhB |
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| 19:45.16 | ksuhku | Cerise, that looks kosher as you said, hmmm |
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| 19:45.43 | Thom- | is there any cmd equivalent to windows "start", so i can start a proccess from terminal and detatch it? so that it doesnt freeze my terminal and i have to ctrl+c |
| 19:46.19 | Mr-R | try nohup or screen |
| 19:46.36 | ManoftheSea | Thom-: & at end of line |
| 19:46.37 | ksuhku | Thom-, commandname& |
| 19:46.57 | Thom- | hmmkay thanks |
| 19:46.58 | ManoftheSea | Using semicolon to delimit commands will run in foreground. |
| 19:47.05 | ManoftheSea | Using Ampersand runs in background. |
| 19:47.19 | ManoftheSea | However, it will not persist after logout. |
| 19:47.27 | ManoftheSea | For that, look at nohup, screen, or tmux |
| 19:47.27 | ksuhku | Cerise, any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 19:47.30 | Thom- | thats fine, & does the trick as i needed :)) |
| 19:47.31 | Thom- | thanks |
| 19:47.49 | Devastator-work | where's the xorg conf file in wheezy? |
| 19:47.54 | nsadmin | and, using && and || will conditionally run the command on the right, depending on whether the command on the left was successful |
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| 19:48.56 | nsadmin | Devastator-work, doesn't always need one... but if there is, it would probably be in /etc/X11 |
| 19:48.57 | auska | Buenas, a ver si pueden ayudarme, hace 2 dias me compre un cd, pero me lo deje en mi casa (estoy de viaje) por lo que mis padres me lo copiaron y me lo han enviado por correo. El problema esta en que no lo ripearon, simplemente copiaron los archivos. Por lo que tengo los archivos en .cda, hay algun modo de convertirlo a mp3 o similar? Porque todos los programas que encuentro para ripearlos solo leen el cd, no des de archivo. |
| 19:49.01 | ksuhku | and fg to bring the process to foreground |
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| 19:49.27 | peterrooney | Thom-: in addition to screen, there is also disown which (at least in bash) tells the controlling terminal to disown particular background jobs |
| 19:49.36 | Devastator-work | nsadmin: I just need to add specific lines for my touchpad to work |
| 19:49.40 | Devastator-work | let's see |
| 19:49.59 | Thom- | i c |
| 19:49.59 | jelly-home | !es |
| 19:50.00 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 19:50.06 | nsadmin | so if you don't have a config file (a normal case) you would either write or generate one |
| 19:50.15 | nsadmin | jelly-home, gone :) |
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| 19:50.26 | jelly-home | in 60 seconds |
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| 19:50.34 | nsadmin | no, more like 3 secs |
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| 19:51.06 | nsadmin | he left almost right after he posted all that |
| 19:51.36 | user-X | http://www.wklej.eu/index.php?id=81a522f27d <- can anyone help ? |
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| 19:52.29 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/mypaint |
| 19:52.37 | judd | Search for bin/mypaint in squeeze/i386: mypaint: usr/bin/mypaint |
| 19:52.48 | Radagast | nickdaly - Secure Share integration into Freedom Box? (https://about.psyc.eu/Secure_share) |
| 19:53.19 | Radagast | I haven't heard anyone mention it, but it seems like a nice parrallel platform |
| 19:53.59 | ksuhku | Cerise, any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
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| 19:54.26 | user-X | I can run MyPaint on root without problem, but not from user level |
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| 19:54.36 | BoozeWooz | hey |
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| 19:55.42 | Na_Klar | where do I control the screen resolution for the terminal (no desktop)? |
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| 19:56.10 | BoozeWooz | i have this system which has a debian variant pre-installed on flash drive. i would like to replace it with busybox. it uses u-boot (its arm) |
| 19:56.24 | Cerise | ksuhku, oh, yeah |
| 19:56.46 | Cerise | root@devzero:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/squeeze-backports.list |
| 19:56.46 | Cerise | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 19:56.51 | ompaul | BoozeWooz: you got a raspberry? |
| 19:56.55 | Cerise | i didn't create that, though. |
| 19:56.59 | BoozeWooz | odroid-x |
| 19:57.19 | ManoftheSea | BoozeWooz: this channel doesn't support debian-derivatives |
| 19:57.22 | Aha2Y | Guys, i am missing /etc/sudoers ? o.0 |
| 19:57.24 | ManoftheSea | !debian-based |
| 19:57.24 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 19:57.25 | ompaul | BoozeWooz: then one thinks there is either a odrioidy channel or a bbusybox |
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| 19:57.33 | BoozeWooz | :o ok danke |
| 19:57.49 | ksuhku | Cerise, so problem solved, right? |
| 19:58.13 | nickdaly | radagast: It seems interesting, but oddly difficult to join or get into, at least the last time I looked at it. That makes it difficult to tell how far along they are. It'd be a shame if they adopted the Diaspora model. |
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| 19:58.27 | Otkrick | guys, help me please. How should I modify my script that wholly string will be write into file "as is". Now, I have to use screening "cat >> mychildscript.sh << EOF param=1 echo \$param EOF".. |
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| 20:01.20 | jelly-home | Otkrick: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/InputAndOutput#Heredocs_And_Herestrings |
| 20:01.46 | jelly-home | note the quotes around first 'EOF' |
| 20:02.07 | Otkrick | jelly-home: sorry, I can't open your link.. it's clear? |
| 20:02.12 | jelly-home | erm, 'XYZ' |
| 20:02.23 | jelly-home | Otkrick: clear for what? |
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| 20:03.30 | jelly-home | Otkrick: is this better http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide/InputAndOutput |
| 20:04.15 | Otkrick | jelly-home: thank you so much.. i'll try |
| 20:04.18 | jelly-home | read about heredocs |
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| 20:05.27 | Otkrick | wow :) |
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| 20:20.49 | kittonian | hi all |
| 20:21.09 | kittonian | is anyone familiar with the Supermicro X8DTU-LN4F+ motherboard and its compatibility with Debian? |
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| 20:31.53 | dAnjou | hey, i'm running a current raspbian (which is wheezy) and i need exactly one package incl. updates from sid. i added the source, tried to understand man apt_preferences and added this https://gist.github.com/3491729 to /etc/apt/preferences.d/couchdb but somehow it installs other packages from sid too. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 20:33.42 | sney | dAnjou: unfortunately, despite raspbian's clams, your distro is based on debian so they need to support you |
| 20:33.55 | sney | !raspbian |
| 20:33.56 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the Rasberry Pi. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:34.12 | homecable | any one have a netbook asus 1025c n2600 ? |
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| 20:36.20 | immotus | if all I had was a disk image, what would be the best way to disable the iSCSI service so that the next time the machine booted it wouldn't start? deleting the link in /etc/rc{1,2}.d/K02open-iscsi doesn't seem to work |
| 20:36.38 | ManoftheSea | immotus: A K link will turn OFF the service |
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| 20:36.53 | ManoftheSea | the proper way to adjust is with update-rc.d |
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| 20:37.11 | ManoftheSea | I believe there is a disable command for that script |
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| 20:37.49 | immotus | ManoftheSea: it's an iSCSI root systm that I'm trying to setup.. I can mount the filesystem on the SAN and manipulate it, then reboot... |
| 20:38.42 | immotus | ManoftheSea: I had forgotten that "K" stood for "kill"... even if that link is there, though, my diskless server still pauses and fails on starting the iSCSI initiator |
| 20:38.45 | petemc | immotus: the K scripts dont start daemons, they stop them - you want the S |
| 20:39.04 | ManoftheSea | I don't know the iSCSI piece. |
| 20:39.06 | ManoftheSea | Sorry. |
| 20:39.32 | immotus | petemc: the iSCSI stuff is setup in the initrd before it even gets to the /etc/rc{1,2}.d scripts.. I want to make sure the iSCSI daemon doesn't mess with my setup :^) |
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| 20:40.12 | ManoftheSea | oh... You'll need a new initrd, then... |
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| 20:41.47 | immotus | ManoftheSea: I shouldn't be setting up the iSCSI disks in the initrd? |
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| 20:44.37 | oops | where can I read about the environment variables like $_ etc. man builtins doesn't seem to talk about it. |
| 20:44.49 | oops | similarly, I learnt today the usefulness of !*, but again man builtins doesn't talk about it. |
| 20:46.26 | ansgar | oops: man bash |
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| 20:47.15 | FilipeMaia | How important do you think ERC/TLER support on the disks is when setting up a hardware RAID 6? |
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| 20:50.36 | oops | ansgar, thanks. I could find the documentation for $_ in man bash, but I am still strugglign to find the documentation for !*. |
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| 20:51.29 | qmr | How many times is dd_rescue going to try to get something before moving on? trying to rescue data from failed disk, not sure what to do. dd_rescue is giving ETA of days.. I'm 1% thru disk .. |
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| 20:51.35 | qmr | should I try mounting and copying files, or .. ? |
| 20:52.03 | immotus | oops: do you mean "$*" ? |
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| 20:52.28 | sney | qmr: if your disk is failing, don't mess with it, just let ddrescue do its thing. if it's going to take days then let it |
| 20:52.37 | oops | immotus, no, !*, !$, etc. for example echo !* seems to be first printing what the echo command expands to and then its output. |
| 20:53.00 | ansgar | oops: One is in the HISTORY EXPANSION section, the other in the PARAMETERS section. |
| 20:53.07 | oops | thanks. |
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| 20:54.15 | oops | ansgar, yes, the HISTORY EXPANSION section documents the !-features. |
| 20:54.18 | qmr | sney: it's definitely failing. I was able to copy my work profile off easily a few days ago. there is also my personal profile and a windows isntall.. those are much larger. |
| 20:54.40 | immotus | oops: and yes, the "!*" isn't listed in the man page for Debian Squeeze :^) |
| 20:54.42 | qmr | sney: can I stop the process and start it with a skip argument? I'm at work using docks from work, and I'd rather not sleep under my desk |
| 20:55.10 | oops | immotus, actually, I see it in HISTORY EXPANSION section in Wheezy. |
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| 20:55.19 | Xoron | hello! |
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| 20:55.28 | immotus | oops: weird |
| 20:55.30 | Xoron | can someone give me a hand with sharing my internet connection |
| 20:55.48 | Xoron | as in, ICS |
| 20:56.03 | Xoron | setting it up i mean |
| 20:56.16 | oops | lots of useful stuff there, like !-1, !*, !$, etc. |
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| 20:57.01 | immotus | oops: yeah.. I knew !$ but hadn't heard of !* before.. |
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| 20:57.24 | oops | ok, so far I have been using $_ when I needed the last argument from previous command. |
| 20:57.39 | ksuhku | i use !! every day |
| 20:57.49 | oops | I didn't know !$ exists too. I don't know what's the difference between $_ and !$. they seem to be doing the same thing. |
| 20:59.13 | oops | the only thing !-stuff does is echo the arguments it would expand to. |
| 20:59.21 | oops | before executing the command. |
| 21:00.11 | immotus | oops: the carrots are pretty useful too... "service ssh stop; ^stop^start" |
| 21:00.41 | ksuhku | ask any bunny! |
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| 21:01.19 | immotus | ksuhku: three elephants jumped out of a plane. two fell on land, and the third in the sea |
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| 21:01.29 | immotus | ksuhku: "padum pshh" |
| 21:03.07 | oops | I know readlink prints what "actual" file a symlink finally resolves to. |
| 21:03.31 | oops | but there also used to be a command that prints all the symlinks between the first symlink and the final target. |
| 21:03.37 | oops | I can't remember that command. anyone knows about it? |
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| 21:05.05 | immotus | anyone know how to get the iscsid process to stop messing up the iscsi setup I already configured in the initrd? |
| 21:05.06 | oops | for example, it's output would be something like: /usr/bin/vim --> /etc/alternatives/vim --> /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 21:05.24 | Tomich | hello everyone |
| 21:05.29 | oops | while readlink -f /usr/bin/vim would only provide the output as: /usr/bin/vim.gnome |
| 21:05.37 | oops | I need a command that does the former. |
| 21:05.54 | ksuhku | oops, do you mean ls? :) |
| 21:06.10 | oops | ksuhku, ls -l /usr/bin/vim would only show me /etc/alternatives/vim |
| 21:06.25 | oops | I want to follow all the symlinks until it finds the final target and print them all. |
| 21:06.58 | Tomich | i have a newbee question. I was using Debian Sweeze on a geode netbook. I changed sources for wheezy and did apt-get update and aptitud distro-upgrade . It downloaded 850MB, it did some other things, i got distracted and now im getting a black screen with a blinking cursor at the bottom |
| 21:07.04 | Tomich | i dont know if i should reboot now |
| 21:07.09 | Tomich | or wait for something |
| 21:07.24 | Tomich | *sqeeze-->wheezy |
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| 21:08.01 | oops | Tomich, can you press Ctrl + Alt + F1, Ctrl + Alt + F2, etc. and see if your TTYs are functioning properly? |
| 21:08.08 | Tomich | yes, they work |
| 21:08.18 | Tomich | its just tty1 on wich i was doing the upgrade |
| 21:08.28 | Tomich | the other ttys work fine |
| 21:08.28 | Tomich | :D |
| 21:08.53 | oops | what happens if you run the command: aptitude update |
| 21:09.43 | oops | as far as I know you should not get a blank black screen. the: aptitude distro-upgrade command must have left a lot of output and messages like "Setting up <packagename>" |
| 21:10.00 | Tomich | it says in spanish something about resource busy and then it starts to sync with sources (it's there now.. it's a slow cpu) |
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| 21:10.50 | Tomich | /var/lock/aptitude |
| 21:10.54 | Tomich | it complains about that |
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| 21:10.59 | oops | Tomich, did you get a "Could not lock" error? |
| 21:11.04 | Tomich | yes |
| 21:11.11 | Tomich | in spanish, but it says exactly that |
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| 21:11.24 | oops | looks like aptitude is still running or it failed to upgrade. |
| 21:11.50 | Tomich | is there a way to know if tty1 is still working or just freezed? |
| 21:11.53 | oops | Tomich, run: ps -aef | grep aptitude |
| 21:12.12 | oops | Tomich, yes, you should be able to type commands on tty and see if it's working fine or not. |
| 21:12.14 | tapout | I see postgresql is 9.1.4-2~bpo60+1, does that include 9.1.5 from the website? the -2 or the +1, means they incorporated the security fix or what? |
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| 21:12.39 | Tomich | aptitude dist-upgrade on tty1 is on the list |
| 21:12.48 | Tomich | 00:01:07 |
| 21:13.02 | oops | that means aptitude dist-upgrade is still running. |
| 21:13.11 | oops | now the problem is that it may never complete. |
| 21:13.11 | Tomich | ok. should i just wait then? |
| 21:13.16 | Tomich | ouch |
| 21:13.24 | oops | aptitude asks for user input at some places. |
| 21:13.42 | oops | and since you can't see anything, you won't be able to provide the necessary input. |
| 21:14.00 | Tomich | it's strange. because is not a normal cursor at the bottom of the screen |
| 21:14.03 | oops | i still don't understand what the issue is though. you said that you see a black screen in tty1 and you are not sure whether it has frozen or not. |
| 21:14.09 | Tomich | its a two dost ( : ) symbol |
| 21:14.11 | oops | but then you also say that your tty1 seems to be working fine. |
| 21:14.22 | Tomich | tty1 is the one that is blank |
| 21:14.23 | oops | they both seem contradictory to me. |
| 21:14.33 | Tomich | all other ttys work fine |
| 21:14.35 | oops | so you are unable to do any useful work in tty1? |
| 21:15.00 | Tomich | tty1 is where i was doing the aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 21:15.20 | spal | Tomich, If I were stuck in this situation: I would first kill aptitude: pkill -9 aptitude |
| 21:15.30 | spal | Tomich, then run: aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade again. |
| 21:15.40 | Tomich | wil i have to download everyything again? |
| 21:15.40 | Tomich | :( |
| 21:15.45 | spal | when you try to run it again, it will suggest you a recovery option. |
| 21:15.54 | Tomich | ooki |
| 21:15.54 | spal | it will give you a dpkg command to recover from the bad state. |
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| 21:16.01 | spal | you don't have to download everything again. |
| 21:16.10 | Tomich | should i kill it by command or do a ctrl + c on tty1 ? |
| 21:16.11 | spal | the dpkg command it will suggest you will take care of doing repairs and downloading whatever is left. |
| 21:16.27 | spal | you may want to try ctrl + c on TTY1. I am not hopeful that is going to work. |
| 21:16.39 | spal | if it works, great. if it doesn't, I would just kill it using: pkill -9 aptitude |
| 21:16.47 | Tomich | well it did |
| 21:16.59 | Tomich | i got back a shell on tty1 |
| 21:17.02 | spal | great. then you can try aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade again. |
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| 21:18.50 | Tomich | im doing this ina tty. is it the same if i do it while x is running? i mean. is it the same if i do it from this tty or if i launch X and some wm like xfce or something? |
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| 21:21.07 | oops | Tomich, yes, it's the same. I often upgrade from a terminal running in gnome. |
| 21:21.40 | Xoron | hi there, sorry to ask again, but i think someone missed my question |
| 21:21.57 | Tomich | ok. i'm re-upgrading from this tty now. if it fails again i will do it from xfce |
| 21:22.01 | Tomich | thank you very much guys |
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| 21:22.32 | Xoron | i can't seem to share my wifi over Ethernet |
| 21:22.38 | Xoron | even though there's a lot on it |
| 21:22.58 | Xoron | can someone give me a hand please? |
| 21:23.26 | immotus | Xoron: are you setting up your WiFi computer as the gateway on the wired network you're connected to? |
| 21:23.49 | Xoron | no, i'm connecting a wired console to my wifi netword |
| 21:23.55 | Xoron | network |
| 21:24.02 | oops | what is a wired console? |
| 21:24.08 | Xoron | xbox360 in this case |
| 21:24.11 | oops | and where does Debian fit into this? |
| 21:24.24 | Xoron | since i can't figure out iptables |
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| 21:24.40 | Xoron | as debian seems to do it a lot differently than the guides i've read |
| 21:24.57 | Xoron | sorry if it's not appropriate |
| 21:24.57 | oops | no, I mean, what are you trying to make Debian do. |
| 21:25.17 | oops | I mean to say that the question is not clear. What exactly are you trying to make Debian do? Need more information. |
| 21:25.24 | Xoron | essentially do Internet connection sharing |
| 21:25.48 | Xoron | so the xbox can connect to the internet through my computer |
| 21:25.52 | oops | can you describe the network and what is connected to what? |
| 21:25.56 | Xoron | ok |
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| 21:26.06 | Xoron | i have a router connected to my modem |
| 21:26.09 | oops | your computer is running Debian and it is connected to the internet via wireless? |
| 21:26.13 | Xoron | yes |
| 21:26.25 | oops | yes, sorry for interrupting, please continue with the complete description. |
| 21:26.31 | ansgar | Don't game consoles have built-in wifi? |
| 21:26.32 | Xoron | and i'm connecting the xbox to my pc using a crossover cable |
| 21:26.43 | f8l | Xoron: Isn't that mint? |
| 21:27.09 | Xoron | not anymore, i've been using debian testing repos for ages |
| 21:27.19 | Xoron | and lmde is debian testing anyway |
| 21:27.26 | Xoron | should i ask there? |
| 21:27.39 | ansgar | Xoron: If you don't use Debian, you should not ask in #debian. |
| 21:27.57 | Xoron | ok, i will ask in the linux mint room then |
| 21:28.03 | Xoron | sorry to be a bother |
| 21:28.38 | oops | !tell Xoron about lmde |
| 21:29.16 | Xoron | thanks oops, i didn't realise i was making a mistake |
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| 21:30.27 | oops | you're welcome. the debian distros can vary significantly and it is difficult for pure debian users to know what variations are present in other distros, so a pure debian user might inadvertently give you information that is not applicable to other distros. |
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| 21:30.37 | oops | the debian based distros* |
| 21:30.39 | immotus | Xoron: don't feel to bad.. I don't realize most of my mistakes either :^) |
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| 21:31.13 | oops | !based on debian |
| 21:31.14 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 21:32.10 | Xoron | yes, i understand that oops |
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| 21:33.53 | oops | one trick some people use is to disguise your Ubuntu or Mint question as a Debian question, ask it, get the answers and then apply the answers back to the actual distro as far as applicable. |
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| 21:37.21 | qw12 | can anyone tell what's wrong with my crontab ? |
| 21:37.36 | dondelelcaro | qw12: paste the output of your crontab. |
| 21:37.40 | qw12 | http://pastebin.com/SEwVq9QM |
| 21:37.53 | qw12 | what do yo umean by output ? |
| 21:38.16 | dondelelcaro | qw12: ok, what about your crontab? |
| 21:38.25 | dondelelcaro | qw12: I meant content, not output. So what you did was fine. |
| 21:41.00 | dondelelcaro | qw12: nothing that I see looks particularly odd. What is not being run in it? |
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| 21:43.20 | qw12 | dondelelcaro: somehow the reboot thing is not taking effect |
| 21:43.50 | qw12 | when does the reboot thing start, i have a drive that gets mounted using an init script |
| 21:44.14 | dondelelcaro | qw12: the reboot cron job will run when cron is started |
| 21:44.23 | dondelelcaro | qw12: which is potentially well before your init script |
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| 21:44.44 | dondelelcaro | qw12: if you want things to start in a particular order, you create an init script which expresses that order in its LSB headers or similar |
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| 21:45.56 | dondelelcaro | qw12: alternatively, use /etc/rc.local, as that gets run at the end of each runlevel |
| 21:46.20 | dondelelcaro | s/runlevel/multiuser &/ |
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| 21:46.27 | xfire78xx | sera :) |
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| 21:49.41 | Masky | hi guys, what is the best way for me to install debian when my only network access is a wireless WPA driver that needs the iwlwifi driver? stable doesn't seem to have this module by default, and devel installer hangs on "Detect network hardware" |
| 21:50.05 | mongo | Masky: did you try the DVD image? |
| 21:50.21 | Masky | no. which dvd image? |
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| 21:50.34 | Masky | i've been using the cd netinst images |
| 21:50.40 | mongo | Masky: netinst wont' have it |
| 21:50.57 | mongo | try the DVD image or copy the needed .debs to a USB key and install them |
| 21:51.27 | mongo | Masky: netinst is very stripped down |
| 21:51.37 | Masky | what .debs do I need for iwlwifi? I think it is a module that must be in the kernel, but isn't |
| 21:51.47 | Masky | modprobe iwlwifi tells me no such module |
| 21:51.59 | mongo | yes, there will be a package for your cards firmware |
| 21:52.15 | Masky | the module doesn't even exist |
| 21:52.36 | mongo | Masky: the package installs the module |
| 21:52.51 | Masky | ah |
| 21:52.57 | mongo | Masky: what wireless chipset are you on? |
| 21:53.04 | Masky | well I installed the package and the module wasn't installed |
| 21:53.12 | Masky | intel centrino 1030 wireless-n |
| 21:53.38 | mongo | let me see if I can get to my laptop at home |
| 21:53.44 | mongo | to see what package you need |
| 21:53.50 | Masky | thanks |
| 21:55.25 | Masky | I installed firmware-iwlwifi already |
| 21:55.47 | Masky | but I still can't modprobe iwlwifi: "FATAL: Module iwlwifi not found." |
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| 21:56.55 | Vib3 | hi |
| 21:57.16 | Vib3 | you know if AMD graphic driver supports virtualization? |
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| 21:57.40 | Vib3 | I would need to get gpu working with it in guest os |
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| 21:58.17 | mongo | firmware-iwlwifi |
| 21:58.37 | Masky | I installed that mongo |
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| 21:58.45 | Vib3 | using kvm |
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| 21:58.52 | Masky | then I do "modprobe iwlwifi" |
| 21:59.03 | Masky | but I get "FATAL: Module iwlwifi not found" |
| 21:59.23 | abrotman | Masky: uname -r |
| 21:59.33 | setuid | I'm having a very weird problem, after AT&T remotely logged into my router today and 'reset' it (for reasons they still have not justified). I can telnet to one of my internal machines on port 22, and I get the SSHD banner, but I can't ssh to that same host, it just doesn't respond. Why? |
| 21:59.36 | Masky | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 21:59.45 | mongo | Masky: it may be called iwlagn, are you on wheezy or squeeze? |
| 21:59.47 | setuid | Connection to 1.2.3.4 timed out while waiting to read |
| 22:00.26 | Masky | I think squeeze, okay iwlagn loads but my device wasn't recognized since ifconfig -a doesn't show it |
| 22:00.45 | abrotman | Masky: dmesg |
| 22:00.50 | abrotman | look to see if it's been detected |
| 22:01.01 | Masky | it wasn't |
| 22:01.04 | Masky | in dmesg |
| 22:01.10 | mongo | does iwconfig see it |
| 22:01.17 | Masky | i don't have iwconfig lol |
| 22:01.25 | mongo | install wireless-tools |
| 22:01.41 | abrotman | Masky: lspci -nn, what is the device? |
| 22:01.43 | setuid | So anyone have any ideas? Should I just rip out sshd and reinstall it? |
| 22:01.57 | setuid | Oddly, since AT&T was inside my router, those two internal machines cannot ping external hosts any longer |
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| 22:03.01 | setuid | 7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 30430ms |
| 22:03.12 | setuid | The latency is incredible, but 0 packet loss? |
| 22:03.22 | abrotman | sneakernet! |
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| 22:04.05 | Masky | abrotman, it's an Intel Centrino Wireless-N 1030 |
| 22:04.18 | Masky | intellinuxwireless.org tells me that support for my device (centrino 1030) was only added in kernel 2.6.36, but I'm on 2.6.32 |
| 22:04.25 | Masky | I think this is the problem? |
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| 22:04.37 | abrotman | right .. |
| 22:04.38 | Masky | I don't know how to fix this though |
| 22:05.03 | abrotman | Masky: your choices are a) use the kmuto installer to install squeeze+newer kernel b) get the updated kernel+firmware from backports.debian.org c) install wheezy, currently testing |
| 22:05.31 | Masky | the wheezy installer didn't work, it hung on "Detect network hardware", so I tried that |
| 22:06.04 | abrotman | okay, so choose a/b ? |
| 22:06.27 | mongo | Masky: and you can not use a physical DVD to isntall or plug into ethernet? |
| 22:06.38 | Masky | I'll try a thanks for the help, hopefully that works |
| 22:06.40 | abrotman | there are no DVDs that will help him |
| 22:06.48 | Masky | mongo, I am renting in a house where I only have wireless access |
| 22:06.51 | abrotman | !tell Masky about kmuto |
| 22:07.05 | abrotman | Masky: you'll still need to get the firmware from backports.debian.org and put it on a USB drive or such |
| 22:07.10 | Masky | that's fine |
| 22:07.19 | qw12 | dondelelcaro: i'll look into them, thanks |
| 22:07.27 | mongo | abrotman: well it will get him installed to where he can install the non-free driver |
| 22:07.49 | abrotman | he just needs the firmware |
| 22:09.13 | mongo | abrotman: yes, and if he does the dvd install of wheezy it won't die like the net install and will have the firmware |
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| 22:10.37 | abrotman | mongo: no, it won't |
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| 22:12.44 | mongo | abrotman: shrug...worked on my dell xps14z that has that card |
| 22:13.39 | abrotman | unless they've changed their stance on firmware during installation (which may be possible) it wouldn't have |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | and he said the installer gets stuck anyway |
| 22:14.14 | mongo | abrotman: no, the live installer doesn't require a net connection to install, thats why it is hanging at net config |
| 22:15.03 | abrotman | the netinst doesn't require a network connection either |
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| 22:19.43 | jalalsfs | What version of gnome will be on Debian 7? Gnome 2 or 3? |
| 22:20.31 | abrotman | 3 |
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| 22:26.17 | Synthead | anyone where use puppet with debian? should I go for the new 3.0.0 release, or stay with 2.6.x? |
| 22:28.58 | abrotman | Synthead: depends if you want to manage it yourself |
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| 22:29.53 | Synthead | abramart: what would you say about the stability (other than the usual bleeding edge package warning in general)? |
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| 22:30.09 | abrotman | Synthead: are you compiling it or using the packages |
| 22:30.09 | abrotman | ? |
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| 22:31.02 | Synthead | abrotman: packages from experimental, though I might compile it from the sources |
| 22:32.28 | abrotman | Synthead: i'd probably steer clear of packages form unstable for production |
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| 22:34.09 | mongo | Synthead: I add in a custom repo to my server installs for personal packages but we use chef so I have no idea on puppet but it is pretty easy to do so |
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| 22:35.13 | Synthead | mongo: yeah as far as using puppet, I'm not concerned. just wondering about anyone's experience with the stability |
| 22:35.17 | Synthead | I think I'll just dive in and see |
| 22:36.04 | abrotman | Synthead: more to the point, do you need any features from 3 ? |
| 22:36.17 | Synthead | abramart: probably not |
| 22:36.47 | mongo | it gets old maintaining your own |
| 22:37.14 | Synthead | mongo: yeah, understood, heh. I maintain ~160 packages for arch linux |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | Synthead: then i probably wouldn't bother deviating from the distro packages |
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| 22:40.29 | floatingfeijoa | debian is so UGLY. when is it going to get gnome3? |
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| 22:41.22 | microft_ | really? people still trolling like that? |
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| 22:50.34 | ManoftheSea | debian testing has Gnome3 |
| 22:50.42 | abrotman | he's gone, and a troll, ignore it |
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| 22:51.30 | ManoftheSea | ok, abrotman |
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| 22:58.04 | fleishters | !topic |
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| 23:18.23 | magyar | what does the kqemu module in m-a needed for? |
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| 23:30.29 | Sw33NY__ | hi everybody |
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| 23:38.22 | ManoftheSea | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.41 | ManoftheSea | Yep, that's right, tilda-period. |
| 23:39.52 | Sw33NY__ | I have RAID10 on my debian and I have execute script which did : dd if=/dev/zeo of=/dev/md0 bs=1000 count=5600 and dd if /dev/md0 of=/dev/null bs=1000 count=5460 without unmount my raid, then that have do on my RAID and the data, anyone know if it's possible to come back ? I have restart the computer, all disks are members of the raid but it's impossible to mount the devices : mdadm said "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" and it seem |
| 23:39.52 | Sw33NY__ | s to the disks are crashed, fdisk said : the device presents a logical sector size that is smaller than the physical sector size. |
| 23:40.04 | Sw33NY__ | please, anyone could help me :( |
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| 23:46.48 | grzeslaw_ | hello guys.. |
| 23:47.06 | Sw33NY__ | hi grzeslaw |
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| 23:47.18 | grzeslaw_ | I have a simple problem with grep command.. maybe any of you will know what the problem is.. http://pastebin.com/416w7kUT |
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| 23:48.22 | ManoftheSea | grzeslaw_: I think you don't want the quotes around ${VAR} |
| 23:48.49 | grzeslaw_ | ManoftheSea: it doesn't help |
| 23:48.50 | grzeslaw_ | [; |
| 23:49.26 | grzeslaw_ | try many options.. ;] its quite wired for me.. |
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| 23:49.37 | grzeslaw_ | it must be some simple solution i think |
| 23:50.16 | grzeslaw_ | my mind after 16hours with linux could be not so fresh now [; |
| 23:51.44 | somiaj | grzeslaw_: problem is all the -a in your var, so grep wants to read them |
| 23:52.04 | somiaj | try grep -f -- "$VAR" rules |
| 23:52.14 | ManoftheSea | oh. |
| 23:52.15 | somiaj | read them as options |
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| 23:54.56 | grzeslaw_ | somiaj: "grep: --: No such file or directory" |
| 23:55.35 | grzeslaw_ | but the -F swhich should ignore regexp.. |
| 23:55.39 | somiaj | grzeslaw_: http://paste.debian.net/185928/ |
| 23:55.53 | somiaj | its not regexp that matters, its teh fact that options are sent to programs via the - |
| 23:56.01 | somiaj | so the -- makes it not read anything from that point as an option |
| 23:56.08 | somiaj | not sure what rules is (if it is a file or not) |
| 23:56.23 | somiaj | also root@redhat -- why are you asking this question in #debian |
| 23:56.54 | grzeslaw_ | somiaj: RIGHT! |
| 23:56.58 | grzeslaw_ | ;] |
| 23:57.22 | grzeslaw_ | thank you very much good guy now its clear |
| 23:58.16 | grzeslaw_ | somiaj: hostname is fake ;) |
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