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| 00:01.21 | rogeriobastos | Hello guys |
| 00:01.46 | rogeriobastos | I'm looking for a way to set system-wide mimeapps |
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| 00:03.02 | rogeriobastos | in http://wiki.debian.org/MIME say than I can do this with defaults.list file |
| 00:03.35 | rogeriobastos | in /usr/share/applications/, but I can't do this works |
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| 00:04.23 | rogeriobastos | basically I want set default application for file types |
| 00:04.45 | rogeriobastos | I'm using XFCE4 in Wheezy |
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| 00:09.26 | symptom | Hello, my laptop has an ambient light sensor. Apparently gdm detects this and it keeps adjusting the screen brightness on me randomly. Anyone know how to disable it via software? |
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| 00:10.17 | tharkun | symptom: I tried every trick in the book I simply ditched gnome alltogether. |
| 00:11.44 | Rotaerk | meh, ATI's driver installer's package-building mechanism is broken |
| 00:11.58 | Rotaerk | it's easier to just install directly, bypassing the package system |
| 00:12.01 | symptom | tharkun, lol. I could just use some tape, but I Thought this would be a good learning experience |
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| 00:12.24 | tharkun | symptom: It will not work. Trust me on that one. |
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| 00:15.08 | abrotman | why not just unload the driver? |
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| 00:16.04 | Rotaerk | abrotman: I wanted to use --buildpkg to create a .deb file to install the driver via the package system |
| 00:16.11 | symptom | abrotman, do you know what driver is called? |
| 00:16.25 | Rotaerk | oh nm |
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| 00:17.02 | abrotman | Rotaerk: not you |
| 00:17.09 | abrotman | Rotaerk: but /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 00:17.19 | abrotman | symptom: not a clue .. lsmod .. look through them ? |
| 00:17.54 | symptom | tried it |
| 00:18.14 | abrotman | symptom: /apps/gnome-panel-manager/ambient |
| 00:19.02 | symptom | ohhhhh |
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| 00:19.37 | abrotman | http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-list/2007-December/msg02196.html |
| 00:19.40 | abrotman | that's cute |
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| 00:20.00 | abrotman | (and old) |
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| 00:20.05 | Rotaerk | abrotman: ah, nope, what dpkg says about fglrx is what I initially tried; it's what's described on the debian wiki |
| 00:20.21 | Rotaerk | and it doesn't work, because my card isn't supported by that old version of fglrx |
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| 00:20.49 | Rotaerk | I also tried backports, and it appeared to install, but when X tried to start it was just ... black |
| 00:21.02 | Rotaerk | so I'm trying the .run file directly from ATI |
| 00:21.47 | searching | Rotaerk: version in your video card ? |
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| 00:21.58 | Rotaerk | my card is a radeon HD7950 |
| 00:27.14 | joegiampaoli | Hello to all, I have the following problem: When I log out into console view and log in as standard user or root, the string or line starts as this: ;root@ghdebian2: /root@ghdebian2:~# and the autocomplete is kinda messy as when I hit TAB to autocomplete it kind of chews the same line at the start without going down to a new line (maybe not explaining well) to continue prinitng the rest of... |
| 00:27.16 | joegiampaoli | ...the text... Anyone with any clue or has/had similar problems? This does NOT happen in normal terminal when logged in with GDM running. Thanks! |
| 00:27.26 | searching | Rotaerk: |
| 00:27.31 | searching | here is your driver http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/7950/Pages/radeon-7950.aspx |
| 00:27.31 | searching | :) |
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| 00:28.16 | Rotaerk | searching: thanks, but I already have the driver directly from ATI :P |
| 00:28.27 | searching | verry nicee :) |
| 00:29.02 | Rotaerk | searching: it is that which is broken for debian |
| 00:29.08 | Rotaerk | at least, the --buildpkg feature |
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| 00:40.20 | joegiampaoli | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.47 | joegiampaoli | no one with similar or known problems? |
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| 00:42.20 | abrotman | joegiampaoli: you didn't ask a question |
| 00:42.49 | joegiampaoli | I did a while ago, here it goes again.... |
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| 00:47.37 | joegiampaoli | when I log out to console, and log as user or root, the starting string or line reads like this: ;root@ghdebian2: /root@ghdebian2:~# (YES REPEATED), and autocomplete is kind of messy when I hit TAB, if line or command is too long it will not continue to a new line but it will chew up the begining of the same line, this issue is not reproduced in normal terminal when logged in and GDM is running..... THANKS |
| 00:48.10 | civillian | joegiampaoli: echo $PS1 and tell us the resulting line |
| 00:49.43 | joegiampaoli | civilian: ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
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| 00:51.59 | civillian | joegiampaoli: export PS1='[\u@\h:\w]\$' |
| 00:52.01 | civillian | try that |
| 00:52.10 | civillian | no guarantees :) |
| 00:52.54 | joegiampaoli | should I do this as root??? |
| 00:52.57 | civillian | That won't solve your autocomplete issue |
| 00:52.57 | joegiampaoli | :) |
| 00:53.13 | civillian | it will only be effective for that terminal session |
| 00:53.19 | civillian | try a normal bash user first |
| 00:53.30 | joegiampaoli | ah ok |
| 00:53.33 | civillian | but it can't trash your system :) |
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| 00:54.10 | civillian | it's setting an environment variable called PS1 |
| 00:54.10 | joegiampaoli | ok did it.... |
| 00:54.22 | civillian | fixed the repeat? |
| 00:54.31 | joegiampaoli | hmmm, maybe I should do this logged out in console? |
| 00:54.56 | civillian | what? |
| 00:54.58 | joegiampaoli | because in terminal mode with GDM up and running never had this issue |
| 00:54.59 | civillian | that's confusing |
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| 00:55.26 | joegiampaoli | only logged out in REAL console |
| 00:55.33 | joegiampaoli | is where this happens |
| 00:55.59 | civillian | so tty1 etc? |
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| 00:56.28 | joegiampaoli | Yes |
| 00:56.50 | Rotaerk | yep, doublechecked... the backport fglrx drivers don't work with the HD7950 |
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| 00:57.10 | Rotaerk | or I did it wrong |
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| 00:57.32 | joegiampaoli | me log out and come back, have to see..... |
| 00:57.37 | joegiampaoli | BRB |
| 00:57.40 | civillian | joegiampaoli: perhaps this article will help you: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2008/09/bash-shell-take-control-of-ps1-ps2-ps3-ps4-and-prompt_command/ |
| 00:57.50 | joegiampaoli | ok |
| 00:57.57 | joegiampaoli | Thank you I will read |
| 00:58.07 | civillian | joegiampaoli: no probs :) |
| 00:58.10 | MoTec | colorfull bash prompt goodness: PS1='\[\e[0;32m\][\h]\u \[\e[1;34m\]\w \[\e[0;32m\]\$\[\e[0;37m\] ' |
| 00:58.14 | MoTec | :) |
| 00:58.30 | sneex | export PS1='n[e[0;31m]H [e[0;31m][e[0m][w[ e[0m]] [e[0;37m]u n$ [e[0m]' |
| 00:58.32 | MoTec | can't beat the classic that civillian posted, tho. |
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| 00:58.57 | civillian | :) |
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| 00:59.11 | MoTec | Hmm, I don't like the new line.. And the red scares me.. That's what the username (root) is on my root prompt, heh. |
| 00:59.43 | civillian | same heh :) |
| 00:59.48 | haus | so ruby18 and ruby191 on wheezy both have the same vendordir and sitedir, is this intentional? |
| 01:00.53 | Rotaerk | tempted to upgrade to wheezy instead of squeeze.. |
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| 01:20.31 | Rotaerk | lol, looking through this latest ATI driver installer, the debian script was written back when lenny was the testing branch |
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| 01:23.46 | edju | Running wheezy. I've lost /dev/sr0 - no such device. I assume it's not a hardware problem because on reboot I can open the tray before grub takes over. Any advice appreciated. |
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| 01:27.37 | abrotman | the button is not a function of the computer interface |
| 01:27.46 | abrotman | edju: anything in dmesg or lshw ? |
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| 01:31.56 | edju | abrotman, grepping dmesg for sr0 = nada; lshw = nada. |
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| 01:35.37 | abrotman | edju: doesn't even show a CD drive? |
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| 01:41.17 | edju | abrotman, lshw? No - well, I'll look again, but would it w/o the device -sr0? |
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| 01:41.49 | abrotman | it may not be sr0 |
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| 01:43.29 | edju | abrotman, Oh my, you're right - II think - I have sg0. |
| 01:44.39 | edju | I've seen references to that. Is it the optical drive device? |
| 01:45.31 | abrotman | or a star gate |
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| 01:46.16 | edju | There are no links - I'll make 'em and see if I can eject. |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | you can give eject any device |
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| 01:47.58 | edju | btw, that wasn't a bad movie - though the TV show stunk. |
| 01:48.23 | somiaj | in aptitude what does a {b} mean in terms of installing new packages? |
| 01:48.47 | somiaj | like packagename{b} is going to be installed |
| 01:48.56 | hanslanda | Hello there, i have a problem guys. Just installed debian 6.0.5 amd64 on my pc (i3 4gb ram) and its not recognizing my network devices...anyone? |
| 01:49.25 | somiaj | hanslanda: first determine what your network device is, use lspci, lsusb, or lshw depending on the device |
| 01:49.41 | edju | abrotman, No luck - 'unable to open `/dev/sg0' |
| 01:49.45 | somiaj | hanslanda: common issues is missing firmware from non-free |
| 01:49.53 | hanslanda | ethernet controller: atheres communications device 1083 (rev c0) |
| 01:50.04 | hanslanda | *atheros |
| 01:50.04 | somiaj | hanslanda: newer devices may need a newer kernel (and/or) firmware from squeeze-backports |
| 01:50.15 | somiaj | hanslanda: can you give me the exact chipset name? |
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| 01:50.49 | hanslanda | somiaj, how can i do that? |
| 01:51.12 | somiaj | hanslanda: lspci, lsusb depending on if the device is pci or usb |
| 01:51.34 | abrotman | edju: use a paper clip? |
| 01:51.35 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:52.33 | hanslanda | already done...lspci resulted ethernet controller: atheros communications device 1083 (rev c0) |
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| 01:53.39 | abrotman | hanslanda: wired doesn't work either ? |
| 01:54.46 | hanslanda | abrotman, no...no network (im now connected by the notebook..) |
| 01:55.12 | somiaj | hanslanda: what does ifconfig -a tell you, (can you at least see the device there and just need to configure it correctly)? |
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| 01:56.33 | hanslanda | somiaj, abrotman ifconfig -a only give me lo (no wlan, eth0 and stuff like that) |
| 01:57.29 | somiaj | hanslanda: try this 'modprobe atl1c' then after that do 'echo "1969 1083" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/atl1c/new_id' |
| 01:57.36 | somiaj | after that look at the output of dmesg | tail |
| 01:57.53 | somiaj | (found a forum that seems that card isn't correctly detected so the module isnt' loaded for it) |
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| 01:59.53 | somiaj | hanslanda: acutally looks like the best solution for that card is just install the kernel from squeeze-backports |
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| 02:01.33 | hanslanda | somiaj, so i have to download it from squeeze-backports than i can install it to a pen drive and after that i install on my debian ? |
| 02:01.53 | hanslanda | somiaj, im sorry, bad english bad linux knowledge |
| 02:02.39 | hanslanda | somiaj, so i have to download it from squeeze-backports than i can install it to a pen drive and after that i install on my debian ? |
| 02:02.41 | hanslanda | somiaj, im sorry, bad english bad linux knowledge |
| 02:02.42 | somiaj | hanslanda: correct, here I'll get you the link. What arch are you using, i386, amd64? |
| 02:02.50 | hanslanda | amd64 |
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| 02:03.07 | jagginess | net driver? |
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| 02:03.31 | hanslanda | somiaj, amd64 |
| 02:03.37 | somiaj | hanslanda: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 (hopefully that is the only package you need, you may want to check the versions on the depends but it should be fine) |
| 02:03.59 | somiaj | actually looks like you'll want the initramfs-tools from backports as well. so you may need more than just one package |
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| 02:05.03 | somiaj | hanslanda: yea looks like you'll need linux-base and initramfs-tools package from squeeze backports as well, you can find them from that link I sent you |
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| 02:06.40 | jpinx | anyone know if rsync can be made to sync 3 places? |
| 02:07.01 | jagginess | rtfm |
| 02:07.36 | jpinx | I did - it is not specifically mentioned - hence I ask here |
| 02:07.38 | somiaj | so apt-get -f install says my dependencies are fine, but aptitude -f install wants to install 100 new packages for some reason and I'm trying to figure out why. Lots of them are packages I don't need or want installed and have a packagename{b} with them. |
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| 02:07.47 | jagginess | so rtfm again.. |
| 02:07.49 | somiaj | jpinx: any reason why you can't just rsync 3 different times to each location? |
| 02:08.00 | jagginess | can i rsync to a moon net station? |
| 02:08.00 | jpinx | somiaj: try --without recommends |
| 02:08.04 | jagginess | use logic |
| 02:08.10 | hanslanda | somiaj, do i have to download all of Other Packages Related to linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 ? |
| 02:08.37 | somiaj | hanslanda: you should only need teh few dependences from squeeze-backports. The other ones should be installed already |
| 02:08.49 | jpinx | somiaj: yes - that's what I do now - but one rsync has to finish before the next starts |
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| 02:09.15 | somiaj | jpinx: doesn't change a thing (I ignore recommends in my apt config anyways) |
| 02:09.16 | SiDz | hi, i just install debian wheezy on my computer and im having a little prob... my 22 inch screen is 1680x1050 and everything is ok there, but my tv 37 inch 1920*1080 is having a problem, im losing a part of the screen like it's going too far |
| 02:09.21 | SiDz | sorry my english i bad |
| 02:09.26 | SiDz | but i guess u understand what i mean |
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| 02:10.06 | SiDz | i dont see the application menu etc... its out of the screen |
| 02:10.18 | Rotaerk | decided to just go with the wheezy branch... my hardware is much too new for the stable release |
| 02:10.23 | somiaj | jpinx: but it wants to install packages like hedgewars and openoffice (which is also strange). Packages I had installed once but then removed. |
| 02:10.29 | Rotaerk | getting anything to work in stable is a pain |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | not fo rme! |
| 02:10.46 | somiaj | Rotaerk: have you looked into squeeze-backports. With the kernel and modules there newer hardware works in lots of situations. |
| 02:10.47 | Rotaerk | unless your hardware is old enough |
| 02:10.59 | abrotman | Rotaerk: or you know what you're doing? :) |
| 02:11.09 | Rotaerk | somiaj: yea I tried that with the graphics drivers, and the backport didn't work |
| 02:11.23 | Rotaerk | I'm curious if the testing drivers will work, since that didn't |
| 02:11.28 | SiDz | anyone understand my problem?:D |
| 02:11.36 | SiDz | and if yes know how to fix it? |
| 02:11.49 | Rotaerk | I know the Sid drivers for my GPU worked fine |
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| 02:12.26 | Rotaerk | abrotman: I'd rather use a version that like... supports everything I have, rather than one where I have to go through work just to get every little piece of hardware I have to work properly |
| 02:12.40 | Rotaerk | after getting my GPU drivers setup, I noticed my sound hardware wasn't supported either |
| 02:13.28 | Rotaerk | isn't wheezy getting close to stable yet? |
| 02:13.37 | abrotman | when RC bugs reach 0 |
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| 02:14.05 | SiDz | hello? |
| 02:14.43 | Rotaerk | SiDz: what are you talking about? |
| 02:14.51 | Rotaerk | your application menu is "out of the screen" |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | his resolution is off .. use xrandr |
| 02:15.14 | Rotaerk | are you wearing 3D glasses or something |
| 02:15.40 | SiDz | my resolution is fine, like the tv support, 1920x1080 |
| 02:15.45 | SiDz | but it's going out of the screen... |
| 02:15.53 | SiDz | i dont see the entire screen |
| 02:15.58 | somiaj | slaps aptitude fish |
| 02:16.28 | somiaj | why is aptitude saying headwars is a broken package on my system when it isn't even installed....it and many others are causing its logic to mess up. |
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| 02:17.07 | Rotaerk | somiaj: did you use apt-get directly for some things? |
| 02:17.13 | Rotaerk | without telling aptitude about it |
| 02:17.29 | SiDz | so you really dont understand what i mean? |
| 02:17.33 | SiDz | oh my bad english |
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| 02:17.45 | somiaj | Rotaerk: I usually use apt-get, but was hoping aptitude would help me resolve some issues |
| 02:17.46 | Rotaerk | SiDz: is abrotman's interpretation of your problem incorrect? |
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| 02:18.03 | Rotaerk | somiaj: aptitude keeps track of what it has installed; it's "smart" |
| 02:18.11 | abrotman | somiaj: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 02:18.29 | Rotaerk | somiaj: so if you install/uninstall something out from under it, using apt-get, it will be confused |
| 02:18.38 | Rotaerk | unless you do something to tell it that you installed it manually |
| 02:18.41 | abrotman | no, that's not the case anymore |
| 02:18.41 | Rotaerk | or so I've read... |
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| 02:18.57 | Rotaerk | lol, out of date documentation... |
| 02:19.02 | SiDz | not sure.... my mouse can get out of the screen... the resolution is the right one... but the "screen where i can move my mouse goes in the framework of the tv |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | somiaj: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 02:19.09 | abrotman | doh |
| 02:19.13 | abrotman | SiDz: tried using xrandr? |
| 02:19.15 | somiaj | abrotman: nope, all the packages are configured correctly and according to apt-get I have no broken depends, but aptitude is creating a bunch from packages that are no longer isntalled |
| 02:19.15 | SiDz | framework was the word i was missing |
| 02:19.26 | SiDz | abrotman, xrandr won't work after reboot |
| 02:19.28 | SiDz | but no |
| 02:19.36 | SiDz | not for that problem |
| 02:19.48 | Rotaerk | abrotman: as of what version is that no longer the case? |
| 02:19.56 | Rotaerk | that true for squeeze? |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | SiDz: does it work now |
| 02:20.17 | abrotman | ?? |
| 02:20.21 | abrotman | Rotaerk: no |
| 02:20.30 | somiaj | all the packages aptitude is complaing about are in the 'pB' status, I just don't see why it is upset about packages that are not installed and I don't need installed. |
| 02:20.42 | SiDz | in windows i know how to fix that... with the ati driver... in cataclyt... the window goes in the framework. i go in cataclyst and fix that |
| 02:20.49 | SiDz | but ati driver dont work in wheezy?! |
| 02:20.52 | Rotaerk | somiaj: are you using interactive aptitude? |
| 02:20.57 | SiDz | those from ati.com |
| 02:21.11 | SiDz | abrotman, it work but i have to fix the screen going in the framework of my tv |
| 02:21.13 | somiaj | Rotaerk: yes, but non-interactive finds the same issues |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | gives up trying to understand SiDz |
| 02:21.43 | Rotaerk | lol |
| 02:21.58 | abrotman | somiaj: they're purged but broken ? |
| 02:22.01 | SiDz | wow really. am i that bad? |
| 02:22.03 | abrotman | somiaj: aptitude -f install ? |
| 02:22.10 | SiDz | you know what is a framework? |
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| 02:22.26 | somiaj | abrotman: that is the problem because of all those 'pB' packages aptitude wants to remove hundereds of packages to fix things |
| 02:22.29 | SiDz | the plastic that is making the "outside of the tv" |
| 02:22.32 | Rotaerk | SiDz: what do you mean by "window goes in the framework"? |
| 02:22.32 | SiDz | lol |
| 02:22.42 | somiaj | abrotman: I'm confused as I don't see why these packages are causing any issue, but yes purged but broken makes no sense to me either. |
| 02:22.56 | SiDz | when i maximize a windows..... i miss a part... its in the framework of the tv |
| 02:23.03 | SiDz | i can't see the X or the menu of that windows |
| 02:23.09 | SiDz | it's in the framework part of the TV |
| 02:23.12 | abrotman | somiaj: is this related to your multiarch madness? |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | SiDz: use xrandr |
| 02:23.30 | Rotaerk | SiDz: it's called a frame, not framework |
| 02:23.37 | Rotaerk | also, I've had that problem in Windows on my TV |
| 02:23.47 | somiaj | abrotman: it could be, not really sure since it is complaing about openoffice.org packages which were removed way before the multiarch transition |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | Rotaerk: the virtual desktop is a larger resolution than his tv can display, so the application bar/menu is off the screen |
| 02:23.59 | SiDz | how can i generate an xorg.conf from my actual x conf |
| 02:24.09 | SiDz | as its now running without xorg.conf |
| 02:24.31 | Rotaerk | yea i think that's what the nvidia control panel in Windows did about it... it shrunk the resolution to a non-standard one |
| 02:24.43 | SiDz | so i'll try to fix the prob with xrandr than... ill save that xorg.conf |
| 02:24.55 | SiDz | if i know how to generate one from my current conf |
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| 02:25.29 | somiaj | abrotman: but i belive if I can figure out why thses packages on are in the pB status aptitude will stop complaining about them |
| 02:26.01 | somiaj | though I can't dpkg to give me any info on the packages so it is something with aptitudes database. |
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| 02:26.17 | SiDz | i dont really get what to search in xrandr |
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| 02:26.51 | abrotman | it's a program, read the man page |
| 02:27.15 | abrotman | somiaj: is that the dpkg status or the aptitude status ? |
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| 02:27.39 | SiDz | so no way to do this with a gui? |
| 02:27.40 | SiDz | in gnome? |
| 02:28.00 | somiaj | abrotman: aptitude status, dpkg has no knowledge of the packages in question. 'dpkg -l hedgewars' gives 'no packages found', while aptitude says it is a pB package that it wants to install and fix. |
| 02:28.07 | SiDz | pretty lame. |
| 02:28.16 | somiaj | I think sid just broke aptitude and can't figure out a fix. |
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| 02:31.15 | abrotman | somiaj: wait, it wants to install it ? |
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| 02:35.34 | SiDz | abrotman, can you help me a bit as i dont know what i have to do? |
| 02:35.51 | SiDz | what should i fix with xrandr?! |
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| 02:36.35 | somiaj | abrotman: yea I was just noticing some extra 'pi' packages. I don't know why they are set to this state, maybe because I used dpkg to remove them and not apt-get (I rarely use aptitude) |
| 02:36.41 | xorgd | hello, if someone access to my private key/passphrase and does not have the time to do anything. If I change the passphrase, does the intruder can do something with the old passphrase ? (I know it's not debian related but it would be nice if someone can answer me) |
| 02:37.04 | somiaj | abrotman: but yes for some reason aptitude has a list of old packages it thinks it should install, hmm, would aptitude remove packagename fix that -- tests |
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| 02:37.55 | somiaj | ok that is it, hmm is there a fast way to search for all the 'pi' packages and remove them... |
| 02:38.01 | abrotman | xorgd: revoke it |
| 02:38.11 | SiDz | so no one can help me fixing my problem? |
| 02:38.33 | abrotman | SiDz: man xrandr .. read the man page, change your resolution |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | somiaj: moment |
| 02:38.40 | SiDz | my resolution is fine |
| 02:38.56 | SiDz | 1920x1080, like the tv support |
| 02:39.02 | SiDz | but im missing a part of the screen.... |
| 02:39.09 | xorgd | abrotman: I know that i can revoke it but what he can do with the old passphrase/private key, can he decrypt an email ? |
| 02:39.20 | soloman | xorgd, they could save it as a pattern for what you would be likely to use in the future. other than that id say no |
| 02:39.29 | SiDz | a part of the screen is on the framework of the TV |
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| 02:40.22 | SiDz | im trying too google but i dont even know what to search |
| 02:40.34 | xorgd | soloman: ok ty |
| 02:40.43 | abrotman | somiaj: aptitude search '~ainstall' .. maybe ? |
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| 02:41.20 | roasted | hello! |
| 02:41.21 | somiaj | abrotman: thanks, was just looking though the search options. (: |
| 02:41.53 | SiDz | k... |
| 02:41.54 | roasted | I'm running Debian PPC on my Powerbook. I use CLI almost exclusively on it, so I began to wonder - due to its lower amount of RAM, CPU, etc, what if I could get it to start in CLI all the time, and only startx if needed? Is there a way I can disable the GUI from automatically starting? |
| 02:41.59 | SiDz | thanks anyway |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | somiaj: i don't see one to show packages that have been purged .. wonder why |
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| 02:42.37 | abrotman | !tell roasted about nodm |
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| 02:44.35 | somiaj | abrotman: and that only got rid of the ones it wanted to install, I am not able to get the broken ones, but with only 11 of them I can do them manually. |
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| 02:44.52 | somiaj | abrotman: so ~ainstall only found the 'pi' packages not the 'pB' and adding a ~b didn't change the result |
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| 02:46.58 | abrotman | might be easier to just use a grep .. i don't see a search for that |
| 02:47.04 | somiaj | aptitude search ~T | grep ^pB got them, but seems ugly |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | go with it .. it's a one time thing |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | (hopefully) |
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| 02:49.14 | somiaj | cool, well fixed my aptitude issue. and yes hopefully packages don't get stuck in that state again. Not sure why aptitude thinks these packages needed to be installed. maybe just stuck in my system from a buggy version of aptitude |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | or maybe your HDD is on fire? |
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| 03:59.38 | gasull | I'm trying to get my external monitor to work with my laptop (Lenovo W520). It was working until Friday. I reset the BIOS yesterday. Shouldn't the monitor work already when I boot up, even when showing the GRUB menu? |
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| 04:01.42 | somiaj | gasull: is there a bios option for primary video card? If you are in xorg, type 'xrandr -q' and see if it sees the port |
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| 04:04.17 | gasull | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/YkqmR6m0 |
| 04:04.53 | gasull | somiaj: There is an option for the primary video card. I've been trying different things. |
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| 04:07.12 | gasull | Now I have Optimus enabled. I've tried disabling it too. |
| 04:08.16 | somiaj | gasull: see line 16, it says that vga1 is disconnected. You say you have a monintor pluged into it? |
| 04:08.36 | gasull | yes |
| 04:09.04 | somiaj | hmm, have you tried a different monintor. Seems the bios and/or card isn't correctly detecting something is pluged into it |
| 04:09.17 | gasull | and someone used the monitor this morning, to check that it works |
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| 04:10.09 | gasull | somiaj: I just tried other monitor. Same problem |
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| 04:14.21 | gasull | brb |
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| 04:17.17 | Rotaerk | hey, is there a way to move /home to another partition without it BEING that partition |
| 04:17.35 | Rotaerk | i.e. I want that partition to contain other things besides /home |
| 04:18.30 | nevyn | Rotaerk: who uses partitions anymore? |
| 04:18.43 | Rotaerk | people who have more than one harddrive |
| 04:18.51 | nevyn | nuh-uh. |
| 04:19.29 | Rotaerk | I basically want /home to exist on my data drive, but I may want some other things to exist on the drive |
| 04:19.30 | nevyn | all disks (except boot disks) have exactly 1 partition of type lvm-pv or 8e (md auto) |
| 04:19.33 | Rotaerk | without separating them into partitions |
| 04:19.39 | nevyn | so I'd use lvm |
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| 04:19.54 | nevyn | or md |
| 04:19.58 | nevyn | or both. |
| 04:20.42 | nevyn | infact both is my prefered config |
| 04:21.07 | gasull | Is there a command for scanning the monitors? My system isn't finding the monitor attached to the VGA port. |
| 04:21.12 | nevyn | so you can solve this with loopback mounts or with simlinks or lots of ways |
| 04:22.03 | gry | gasull, lspci ? |
| 04:23.28 | Rotaerk | nevyn: my partitions are "Linux" for my SSD and "Linux raid autodetect" for my two HDDs |
| 04:23.47 | Rotaerk | not sure what you're referring to with lvm and mb |
| 04:24.04 | nevyn | md |
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| 04:24.05 | Rotaerk | though mb is the prefix of the device name for the RAID device |
| 04:24.09 | nevyn | which is linux raid |
| 04:24.21 | Rotaerk | err yea md |
| 04:24.28 | nevyn | so the problem with md is you can't partition inside a md |
| 04:24.36 | nevyn | you can however make it a pv of an lvm. |
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| 04:24.50 | Rotaerk | nevyn: err, you setup an md on a partition |
| 04:25.06 | Rotaerk | every one of my drives has a single partition, i.e. I have multiple partitions |
| 04:25.17 | Rotaerk | I have two filesystems, both ext3 |
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| 04:25.47 | Rotaerk | the SSD's got filesystem at /, with /home as a subdirectory. I want /home to be on the md device |
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| 04:26.01 | Rotaerk | but I don't want the md device to be mounted at /home |
| 04:26.08 | Rotaerk | because I want other things on it, outside of home |
| 04:26.16 | nevyn | right. |
| 04:26.37 | nevyn | so the right answer is to make the md device a lvm physical volume and then carve it up with lvm |
| 04:27.03 | Rotaerk | so you have to setup logical volumes in order to do this.. drat |
| 04:27.12 | Rotaerk | I didn't want to preallocate space for each folder within it |
| 04:27.29 | nevyn | so.. you could do it with just symlinks |
| 04:27.29 | Rotaerk | within the md device, that is |
| 04:27.48 | nevyn | so you have /reallybigraid/home and /home -> /reallybigraid/home |
| 04:27.50 | Rotaerk | can I replace the home folder itself with a symlink called lhome |
| 04:27.56 | Rotaerk | err /home |
| 04:27.58 | nevyn | yes |
| 04:28.02 | Rotaerk | hmm cool |
| 04:28.14 | nevyn | I'd go the lvm route but it depends how big the raid is. |
| 04:28.31 | nevyn | also if you want to replace the raid in future lvm lets you do this online etc. |
| 04:29.01 | nevyn | lvm has three basic constructs. a pv a vg and a lv. |
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| 04:30.41 | nevyn | so a pv is a physical disk (but it's often a md raid) a vg is a collection of pv's and a lv is a "partition" that contains a filesystem |
| 04:30.43 | __Chris__ | hi guys |
| 04:30.47 | __Chris__ | :) |
| 04:30.47 | gry | hi |
| 04:30.50 | gry | :) |
| 04:31.46 | __Chris__ | I'm a beginner in Linux and would like to know if I can do Dual Boot with W8 |
| 04:31.55 | __Chris__ | using Grub |
| 04:32.40 | nevyn | __Chris__: unless your system is unusual (EFI or similar) then I would think yes |
| 04:32.48 | Rotaerk | hmm will look into LVM |
| 04:33.25 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so lvm will also let you grow the raid with another raid |
| 04:33.34 | __Chris__ | nevyn: no, is a common BIOS |
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| 04:34.41 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so say you had 2 1Tb disks in raid1 for a total usable of 1gig... and you bought two new 2Tb disks and wanted to raid these. |
| 04:34.42 | Rotaerk | nevyn: I dunno if I'd do that though; I do want to keep a distinction between my SSD and my RAIDed HDDs |
| 04:34.57 | __Chris__ | I have just one problem, my HD is not partitioned, can I manage the space to install the W8 ? |
| 04:34.57 | pparadis | __Chris__: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ |
| 04:35.02 | Rotaerk | i.e. I don't want to build an abstraction over them |
| 04:35.11 | Rotaerk | such that it's hard to tell which physical device the data is on |
| 04:35.22 | Rotaerk | (or is that something that LVM allows you to control?) |
| 04:35.29 | nevyn | you're already using raid you're screwed. |
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| 04:35.37 | nevyn | and lvm let's you control that. |
| 04:35.50 | Rotaerk | I expect the data to be on both HDDs. |
| 04:36.03 | Rotaerk | what I don't want is to not know whether the data is on the raid, or on the SSD |
| 04:36.07 | nevyn | Rotaerk: in fact what I'd do is build a degraded raid5 array on the 2 new disks |
| 04:36.11 | pparadis | Rotaerk: you do have a spare RAID controller of exactly the same model as the one you're using, right? ;) |
| 04:36.21 | nevyn | pparadis: md it's all good |
| 04:36.26 | pparadis | nod |
| 04:36.28 | Rotaerk | I'm not even using hardware raid |
| 04:36.54 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so a degraded raid5 array is a raid1 array (linux MD is this smart) |
| 04:37.30 | nevyn | I'd then lvmove the data to the new array. then pvremove the old array and add it as a 3rd 2tb volume in the raid 5 |
| 04:37.57 | nevyn | so for 4 disks (2 2Tb and 2 1Tb) you get 4 usable Tb of raid protected disk. |
| 04:38.31 | nevyn | and the filesystems were mounted the whole time during rebuilds and moves |
| 04:38.55 | Rotaerk | hmm, that's kind of cool, though in my case, with this computer, I'm pretty confident I'd not ever use that setup |
| 04:39.08 | Rotaerk | i.e. don't see myself adding further harddrives to a raid |
| 04:39.32 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so a good plan is to buy 2 disks every (timeperiod) |
| 04:39.44 | nevyn | where timeperiod might be 6months or a year |
| 04:39.56 | Rotaerk | o_O |
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| 04:40.07 | Rotaerk | I operated on a single HDD for 4 years hehe |
| 04:40.11 | nevyn | this rotates out old disks (which have a fixed life of 3 years) |
| 04:40.30 | nevyn | Rotaerk: how did that end for you? |
| 04:40.39 | Rotaerk | it didn't, the drive's still working |
| 04:40.47 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so it might be 2 years if your data needs arn't that great. |
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| 04:41.29 | nevyn | the important thing is disks every blah timeperiod and 2 of them the same size (it's good if they're different batches/vendors) |
| 04:41.32 | Rotaerk | I mean I understand the idea of drive failure, but proactive replacement seems a little excessive when you've already got a couple in a RAID1 |
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| 04:42.10 | Rotaerk | also, my mobo and case don't have that much room for expansion |
| 04:42.26 | nevyn | can it hold 4 disks? |
| 04:42.49 | nevyn | so do the simple version where you make a new raid and pvremove the old raid. |
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| 04:43.02 | nevyn | use it for periodic backup copies or scratch data or something |
| 04:43.31 | Rotaerk | it has enough bays for 3 3.5"'s and one 2.5" |
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| 04:43.56 | nevyn | so this is workstation? |
| 04:43.59 | Rotaerk | and the mobo has I think enough SATA 3's for the same number |
| 04:44.02 | Rotaerk | it's my desktop |
| 04:44.05 | nevyn | ah. |
| 04:44.45 | nevyn | desktops just get a random pair. I'm too cheap to do SSD's still ;) |
| 04:44.54 | Rotaerk | heh |
| 04:45.03 | nevyn | this is how the household storage system is managed. |
| 04:45.11 | nevyn | 2 disks every 6months or so |
| 04:45.27 | Rotaerk | your policy makes sense for a server I guess |
| 04:45.39 | Rotaerk | although I still think 2 disks every 6 months is excessive |
| 04:45.54 | Rotaerk | I mean you're insuring against ... multiple simultaneous failures? |
| 04:45.59 | nevyn | nah. |
| 04:46.25 | nevyn | just new disks every 3-4 years |
| 04:46.32 | nevyn | just not in one big lump |
| 04:46.49 | Rotaerk | ah I see |
| 04:47.11 | Rotaerk | you just have enough disks that breaking 3-4 years up evenly means every 6 months |
| 04:47.25 | nevyn | so after 4 years the smallest disks start being removed as they fail or are no longer worth the opportunity cost of a sata connector |
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| 04:48.01 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so one thing that might be neat with lvm is being able to swap stuff between the ssd and md on the fly |
| 04:48.20 | nevyn | also flashcache kernel module |
| 04:48.37 | nevyn | install everything on the md and let the kernel use the ssd to accelerate access on demand |
| 04:48.57 | nevyn | btw you know the ssd is a consumable right? |
| 04:49.09 | Rotaerk | what do you mean by "a consumable" |
| 04:49.27 | nevyn | it has a life then it needs to be replaced |
| 04:49.38 | Rotaerk | so do HDDs though |
| 04:49.45 | nevyn | yesish. |
| 04:49.47 | soloman | how is that life compared to conventional hdd? |
| 04:49.59 | soloman | longer or shorter? |
| 04:50.05 | nevyn | it depends on access patterns |
| 04:50.08 | nevyn | particularly writes. |
| 04:50.11 | Rotaerk | but if you're referring to the inherent lifespan of the SSD, I'm aware of that |
| 04:50.24 | nevyn | put swap on a ssd. and I'd give it hours or days on a busy system |
| 04:50.30 | soloman | ah so writes wear it down just like on a usb i guess |
| 04:50.46 | Rotaerk | nevyn: I dunno if that's accurate |
| 04:50.57 | Rotaerk | I've read that people can abuse their SSDs and it lasts years |
| 04:51.09 | nevyn | has had ssd's die it's unfun |
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| 04:51.21 | soloman | i have written debian and freebsd to the same usb drive about 100 times :P |
| 04:51.23 | Aginor | it depends on the grade of the ssd, I've heard 3 years or 10 years depending on which one |
| 04:51.31 | Rotaerk | I doubt they died due to natural lifespan, nevyn |
| 04:51.38 | soloman | its running a server right now, 8 gig sancruz usb |
| 04:51.41 | Rotaerk | probably for other reasons, like HDDs die out of the blue before their time |
| 04:51.49 | Aginor | and with ssd you can schedule your downtime unlike with hdds |
| 04:51.59 | nevyn | Aginor: how so? |
| 04:52.15 | nevyn | Aginor: it depends heavily on the usage pattern |
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| 04:52.53 | Rotaerk | nevyn, btw, the notion of moving something from the HDD to the SSD transparently would be kind of cool... I mean, I was concerned about the idea of having to uninstall and reinstall games just to move them around |
| 04:52.56 | Aginor | nevyn, http://maxschireson.com/2011/04/21/debunking-ssd-lifespan-and-random-write-performance-concerns/ |
| 04:53.04 | nevyn | so for a read heavy workload (which is what they're good at) on a system where the critical data set fits in the ssd and they're used as accelerators they should last forever |
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| 04:53.15 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so flashcache does this automatically |
| 04:53.21 | Rotaerk | neat |
| 04:53.35 | Aginor | hdds tend to die a bit randomly, an ssd you can figure out that it will need to be replaced in 6 months and have everything scheduled |
| 04:54.06 | Aginor | which is handy if you have sensitive data and you need to go and have armed guards and the old units destroyed :D |
| 04:54.26 | Rotaerk | there's a way to check the remaining lifespan of an SSD? |
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| 04:55.53 | nevyn | Aginor: hence proactive replacement lots of redundancy etc. |
| 04:56.28 | nevyn | Rotaerk: humans are very bad at selecting what dataset should be on what storage.. computers actually know or can find out |
| 04:57.00 | nevyn | Rotaerk: in particular humans confuse important with io requirements |
| 04:57.15 | soloman | i think it will be fine, i give them longer time than that. you guys are to greedy for write time. My hardware is all like ten years old |
| 04:57.20 | Rotaerk | nevyn: what do you mean |
| 04:57.24 | __Chris__ | Thanks for the help guys I'm downloading the gparted live cd :) |
| 04:57.27 | __Chris__ | bye |
| 04:57.51 | Rotaerk | hmm there doesn't seem to be an alsa backport |
| 04:57.54 | nevyn | Rotaerk: very important data isn't nessicarlly data that needs lots of iops |
| 04:57.59 | nevyn | Rotaerk: there isn't |
| 04:58.05 | nevyn | get a new kernel |
| 04:58.15 | soloman | Rotaerk, there should be |
| 04:58.21 | nevyn | nope |
| 04:58.27 | Rotaerk | nevyn: does that involve upgrading from squeeze |
| 04:58.33 | nevyn | see the bts orphaned packages for alsa-source |
| 04:58.58 | soloman | hmm ok, i do aptitude -t squeeze-backports install alsa guess i just assumed it was coming from backportsa |
| 04:59.24 | Rotaerk | sadly the only branch of the three that has been fairly easy to setup has been unstable |
| 04:59.35 | Rotaerk | testing lacks my GPU's drivers entirely |
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| 04:59.58 | Rotaerk | and stable has them, but they don't support my GPU, so I have to install directly from ATI (the backport doesn't work) |
| 05:00.23 | Rotaerk | sound worked on unstable too, but now I need to figure out how to get that to work in stable |
| 05:00.53 | nevyn | install 3.2 from backports |
| 05:00.59 | nevyn | !bdo kernel |
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| 05:01.16 | Rotaerk | hmm cool |
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| 05:02.30 | Rotaerk | I'll put off LVM for later, want to get the basic functionality setup (assuming I can setup LVM for an already established system) |
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| 05:03.02 | Rotaerk | or would you recommend doing LVM up-front |
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| 05:06.23 | nevyn | soloman: see #627152 last comment |
| 05:06.34 | nevyn | Rotaerk: I'd do lvm now. |
| 05:06.53 | nevyn | Rotaerk: if I had an SSD I'd do everything on md and use flashcache but that's me |
| 05:06.54 | Rotaerk | k |
| 05:06.56 | nevyn | !flashcache |
| 05:07.18 | Rotaerk | <dpkg> no idea |
| 05:07.27 | nevyn | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTk0MA |
| 05:07.58 | nevyn | then again. it's not in mainline |
| 05:08.01 | nevyn | ;) |
| 05:08.54 | Rotaerk | nevyn: well I'm already gonna be installing the GPU drivers outside the package system so... |
| 05:09.09 | Rotaerk | another thing can't hurt, if it's useful |
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| 05:09.17 | nevyn | so the way this works.. |
| 05:09.22 | nevyn | is you don't put anything on the ssd |
| 05:09.43 | nevyn | you just tell the kernel it's there and the kernel works out what would benefit from being on the ssd right now. |
| 05:09.44 | Rotaerk | first off, which drive is the boot drive |
| 05:09.47 | Rotaerk | in this proposed setup |
| 05:09.52 | nevyn | the md |
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| 05:10.17 | Rotaerk | hmm, the downside to that is ssd gives quick boot times |
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| 05:10.56 | Rotaerk | also, my mobo has a distinction between the SATA 3 ports, such that some of them are meant for boot devices, while the others are not as fast, supposedly |
| 05:11.07 | Rotaerk | not as fast at booting, that is |
| 05:11.25 | Rotaerk | and currently the md drives are in the "slow boot" ones |
| 05:11.30 | Rotaerk | but I could switch that I guess |
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| 05:11.55 | nevyn | I wouldn't |
| 05:12.06 | nevyn | so here's the question. how long does boot take anyway. |
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| 05:12.28 | Rotaerk | with the SSD, not long, quicker than my previous PC at least, though that was also with Windows |
| 05:12.46 | sensae | I'm trying to set up a RAID on a new Squeeze install. "mdadm" isn't installed and apt won't find the mdadm package, but it's listed in the package database on the Debian site. |
| 05:12.46 | nevyn | so you can put system on ssd as you were planning. and that might be the best for optimising boot time. |
| 05:12.50 | Rotaerk | it's not a huge deal I guess; I'm usually doing other things while it's booting |
| 05:13.12 | Rotaerk | nevyn: ah, so putting system on SSD isn't a wrench in your proposal |
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| 05:13.49 | Rotaerk | sensae: what does your sources.list file contain? |
| 05:14.01 | Rotaerk | also have you done an aptitude update? |
| 05:14.04 | nevyn | Rotaerk: but. once the system's booted you're never going to read the kernel off disk |
| 05:14.19 | nevyn | so that ssd does nothing once the system is booted. |
| 05:14.25 | Rotaerk | ah |
| 05:14.39 | lkthomas | hey guys, if I want desktop widget on LXDE, should I install screenlets ? |
| 05:14.46 | nevyn | with flashcache it's always in use making stuff faster. |
| 05:15.16 | nevyn | be it the file you're doing multiple sed runs on or whatever. |
| 05:15.45 | Rotaerk | interesting |
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| 05:16.14 | sensae | Rotaerk: Yeah, I have. I believe I found the answer while pastebinning my sources.list. I had the main source as "squeeze-updates" somehow, instead of "squeeze" |
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| 05:18.00 | Rotaerk | sensae: mine looks like this so far: http://pastebin.com/KLpYbJ4D |
| 05:18.58 | nevyn | !paste |
| 05:18.59 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 05:19.54 | Rotaerk_ | bleh, need to get a proper IRC client so I'm not subject to ice weasel's crashes |
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| 05:20.39 | Rotaerk_ | did I link my sources.list? |
| 05:20.40 | Rotaerk_ | I forget |
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| 05:22.14 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so I just confered with a mate about what he'd suggest and it looks like mine. |
| 05:22.26 | nevyn | boot on spinning rust or a tiny partition on the SSD, data on raid+flashcacfhe |
| 05:22.41 | Rotaerk_ | can't believe I'm considering using Facebook software |
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| 05:25.31 | Rotaerk_ | nevyn: anyway, thanks; I'm going to try out that setup |
| 05:25.42 | Rotaerk_ | tomorrow... |
| 05:25.46 | Rotaerk_ | time for bed |
| 05:25.59 | nevyn | Rotaerk_: so. |
| 05:26.04 | nevyn | if you're going to do this. |
| 05:26.17 | Rotaerk_ | yep? |
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| 05:27.22 | nevyn | let me know how it goes ;) there's an argument for using md stridesize and having md -> flashcache -> lvm -> filesystems |
| 05:27.39 | nevyn | so have the flashcache be of MD strides. |
| 05:29.20 | Rotaerk_ | hmm not clear on that, but I'll read about MD strides later |
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| 05:30.06 | Rotaerk_ | tensorpudding: I've seen you somewhere... |
| 05:30.09 | Rotaerk_ | #haskell? |
| 05:30.59 | sensae | Rotaerk_: http://pastebin.com/5PRmMcWp |
| 05:31.43 | sensae | Rotaerk_: same issue, did an apt update |
| 05:32.13 | Rotaerk_ | sensae, try this: http://pastebin.com/KLpYbJ4D |
| 05:32.26 | Rotaerk_ | maybe not the optimal servers, but worth testing |
| 05:32.32 | Rotaerk_ | also, what was the package name you're trying to get? |
| 05:34.08 | Rotaerk_ | sensae: oh... |
| 05:34.11 | Rotaerk_ | you have nonfree |
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| 05:34.45 | sensae | Rotaerk_: should I not? |
| 05:34.54 | Rotaerk_ | I think it should be non-free |
| 05:35.00 | Rotaerk_ | unless there's flexibility there that I'm unaware of |
| 05:35.38 | ectospasm | I'm pretty sure it's non-free |
| 05:35.50 | ectospasm | ...although some packages will have "nonfree" in their name |
| 05:35.52 | ectospasm | go figure |
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| 05:36.05 | nevyn | non-free has all the firmware in it ;) |
| 05:36.14 | nevyn | among other things but.. it's not part of debian |
| 05:36.17 | sensae | that was it, thanks a bunch |
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| 05:36.35 | soloman | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 05:36.42 | soloman | thats what i have here |
| 05:36.45 | nevyn | right. |
| 05:37.06 | Rotaerk_ | anyway, g'night; thanks again nevyn. I'll update you once I've made progress |
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| 06:01.39 | damagednoob | i want to run nodejs on debian squeeze 6.0.5 but I'm having trouble installing a dependency. nodejs depends on libssl1.0.0 which depends on multiarch-support. When I try install multiarch-support I get a broken package message |
| 06:01.57 | damagednoob | here is the output of apt-get and the content of my sources file: http://pastebin.com/rAW2L88L |
| 06:02.14 | nevyn | ARRRG will people stop using that eye bleed pastebin |
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| 06:02.28 | nevyn | there's a perfectly good free pastebin at paste.debian.net |
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| 06:03.05 | fleetfox | like that pink isnt eye bleed |
| 06:03.09 | nevyn | damagednoob: run update ;) |
| 06:03.11 | nevyn | heh |
| 06:03.14 | fleetfox | who designed that |
| 06:03.26 | damagednoob | apt-get update? |
| 06:03.47 | nevyn | damagednoob: yeah. I think something hit updates that you've missed. |
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| 06:03.58 | [gnubie]1 | waves |
| 06:04.14 | damagednoob | nevyn, unfortunately, i still get the same error after running update |
| 06:04.25 | nevyn | ok. |
| 06:04.36 | nevyn | where are you installing multiarch-support from it's not in squeeze |
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| 06:04.48 | [gnubie]1 | any tshark gurus on this channel? i'm wondering why frame.time_epoch is not working though my tshark is version 1.4.5 already. |
| 06:05.24 | [gnubie]1 | # tshark -n -i eth0 -T fields -E separator=',' -e frame.time_epoch -e ip.src -e ip.dst -e ip.proto -e frame.len |
| 06:05.42 | damagednoob | nevyn, it does seem to be, if i run apt-cache search multiarch-support, i get a result |
| 06:05.47 | [gnubie]1 | but with frame.time only, it works. # tshark -n -i eth0 -T fields -E separator=',' -e frame.time -e ip.src -e ip.dst -e ip.proto -e frame.len |
| 06:05.55 | damagednoob | and i haven't changed my sources file |
| 06:06.10 | nevyn | damagednoob: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=multiarch-support |
| 06:06.13 | nevyn | disagrees |
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| 06:09.22 | damagednoob | nevyn, i see, is there way to figure out how it got in my apt-cache? |
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| 06:11.15 | damagednoob | nevyn, but i think it could be the puppet package i'm using |
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| 06:12.46 | damagednoob | nevyn, okay i got it: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sid.list |
| 06:13.29 | nevyn | that'll do it. |
| 06:13.46 | nevyn | so... that's going to change your release to sid ;) |
| 06:14.26 | nevyn | that said nodejs is such a horrific pile of dependancy tentical crud you might be better off on sid |
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| 06:17.55 | damagednoob | nevyn, i'm trying to install this without having to change our servers too much. is it feasible to install libssl1.0.0 a different way? |
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| 06:21.04 | nevyn | I think running nodejs on a released operating system is basically impossible. |
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| 06:21.44 | nevyn | unless you run the version that ships with squeeze..which doesn't exist. |
| 06:21.55 | nevyn | bdo maybe? |
| 06:22.13 | damagednoob | bdo? |
| 06:22.28 | nevyn | backports.debian.org |
| 06:22.32 | nevyn | and it looks like no. |
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| 06:23.51 | damagednoob | nevyn, okay, will try something different. thanks for your time and your help |
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| 06:31.03 | [aViDaN] | hi all |
| 06:31.13 | Blue1 | howdy texz |
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| 06:41.27 | jokerdino | hey guys. if i want to download alternate installer of wheezy, where should i be looking for? |
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| 06:43.21 | gnarface | jokerdino: you should not. instead, |
| 06:43.24 | FGH` | how can i let cpu burn use all cores |
| 06:43.28 | gnarface | dpkg: tell jokerdino about kmuto |
| 06:43.30 | FGH` | how it uses one trath |
| 06:43.32 | FGH` | treath |
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| 06:43.58 | jokerdino | gnarface: thanks |
| 06:44.04 | gnarface | jokerdino: good luck |
| 06:44.37 | ectospasm | FGH`: using more cores for burning wouldn't net you much, unless your optical burner has multiple heads, but I don't think that's practical. |
| 06:44.52 | jokerdino | gnarface: i have a botched squeeze install half way between wheezy and squeeze. i was thinking of using an alternate install to upgrade it to wheezy. any thoughts on this? |
| 06:45.05 | FGH` | cpu burn is a tool to put load on ur cpu... |
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| 06:45.44 | nevyn | FGH`: right. |
| 06:46.20 | nevyn | FGH`: you could just run a bunch and let the scheduler solve it but you'd think it would have a multithread mode... |
| 06:46.44 | ectospasm | FGH`: heh, I didn't see that part |
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| 06:47.56 | nevyn | FGH`: just run a bunch of them. |
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| 06:48.53 | gnarface | jokerdino: yes, just one: nuke the site from orbit; its the only way to be certain |
| 06:48.54 | nevyn | FGH`: for cpu in $(seq 4); do burn(archvarient) & |
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| 06:49.03 | nevyn | done |
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| 06:49.26 | jokerdino | gnarface: you suggesting i should nuke the partition and install wheezy over it? i would be fine with it too |
| 06:49.51 | jokerdino | or can i just install wheezy over the current partition? using the normal ISO? |
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| 06:50.17 | gnarface | jokerdino: no i'm suggesting you should nuke the whole install (all disks if more than one) and replace it with a fresh squeeze install using a kmuto kernel/installer |
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| 06:50.44 | gnarface | jokerdino: leave nothing behind. nuke it all. |
| 06:51.02 | jokerdino | gnarface: i am multi booting. so, not too sure about nuking everything |
| 06:51.21 | gnarface | jokerdino: ok well... multi-boot does make it significantly more complicated |
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| 06:51.49 | jokerdino | it unfortunately is :/ |
| 06:51.55 | gnarface | jokerdino: i recommend whatever you do, you do a full backup first, so when the first few tries inevitably fail (due to misinformation or user error) you have a solid base to restart from |
| 06:52.12 | gnarface | jokerdino: you can make an ENTIRE DISK backup with dd |
| 06:52.16 | jokerdino | gnarface: alright then. |
| 06:52.32 | jokerdino | gnarface: thanks! |
| 06:52.34 | gnarface | jokerdino: its expensive on disk space, but implicitly thorough |
| 06:52.48 | jokerdino | i'll be back if i need more assistance :) |
| 06:53.17 | gnarface | . o O ( think it'll work? ) |
| 06:53.30 | gnarface | . o O ( it'd take a miracle ) |
| 06:53.38 | jokerdino | ?? |
| 06:53.48 | gnarface | hahah sorry |
| 06:53.57 | gnarface | didn't realize you were still here |
| 06:54.06 | jokerdino | i am gonna nuke debian partition and create wheezy liveusb and install. |
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| 06:54.22 | jokerdino | that's sorta what i did earlier with squeeze |
| 06:54.40 | gnarface | just make sure you read the dd manpage and have a disk of equal or greater size to make a FULL image backup of, then there is very little you could fuck up that is not recoverable. otherwise, your ass is basically swinging in the breeze... |
| 06:54.41 | jokerdino | okay, anyways. good luck me. |
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| 06:55.10 | gnarface | jokerdino: sorry i mean TO not *of* |
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| 06:55.12 | jokerdino | i have a backup already :) |
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| 06:55.31 | gnarface | jokerdino: does the backup include your MBR |
| 06:55.35 | gnarface | jokerdino: ? |
| 06:55.41 | jokerdino | no. just the data |
| 06:56.13 | jokerdino | MBR is very crucial? |
| 06:57.01 | gnarface | jokerdino: well just the thing is that its not a real backup then, unless you know implicitly how to recreate an equivalent boot loader from scratch |
| 06:57.29 | gnarface | jokerdino: your boot loader's executing configuration is stored in the "MBR" |
| 06:57.34 | jokerdino | gnarface: i guess the grub can handle that bit. you are infinitely more scarier than the whole process xD |
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| 06:57.43 | gnarface | jokerdino: (master boot record, i think it stands for) |
| 06:57.53 | jokerdino | gnarface: yep. it's master .. |
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| 06:58.19 | gnarface | jokerdino: i'm scarier? thank you. :) |
| 06:58.58 | jokerdino | gnarface: your nick is a good indicator :) |
| 06:59.38 | gnarface | jokerdino: yea grub tools should be capable in theory of constructing a functioning MBR, even for windows with some tweaking (so i've heard at least... never tried it personally) its just a question of knowing what you have on which partitions |
| 06:59.39 | jokerdino | anyways, BBL. |
| 06:59.49 | wZ | Hi. I'm having a local apt repo which I maintain with reprepro |
| 07:00.05 | jokerdino | gnarface: i have been messing with MBR and grub for quite some time. I hope i can find my way through. |
| 07:00.13 | wZ | I'm looking for a way to have an empty local security repo and be able to push only the updates I really need |
| 07:00.16 | wZ | How can I do that ? |
| 07:00.27 | jokerdino | now, i am really leaving. |
| 07:01.21 | gnarface | wZ: what do you mean exactly? |
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| 07:01.50 | gnarface | wZ: you mean that sometimes you want to add packages to your local security repo temporarily? |
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| 07:05.21 | gnarface | wZ: or is your question about pinning priority? |
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| 07:07.16 | wZ | gnarface: no. I want to be able to choose what updates I do or not |
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| 07:07.35 | wZ | All my boxes are using my local apt repo (which is synced with the debian ones) |
| 07:07.54 | wZ | but I want to _stop_ the sync, and be able to test updates first before I put them on my local repo |
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| 07:09.07 | gnarface | wZ: an interesting notion, to be sure... its quite above my head in fact. i suspect this would be something that would require modification to reprepo directly |
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| 07:09.18 | gnarface | wZ: (which i also use) |
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| 07:09.33 | wZ | gnarface: that I know, but how can I do it with reprepro |
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| 07:10.18 | gnarface | wZ: i got nothing, sorry :( let me know if you find out though. i'd be interested to know as well |
| 07:11.01 | gnarface | wZ: you'd think there would be a pre-existing solution. maybe another tool besides reprepro |
| 07:11.15 | gnarface | wZ: but i really don't know of one. |
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| 07:11.50 | Shadow` | trying to play around in .bashrc but only get gibberish |
| 07:12.16 | ectospasm | Shadow`: explain |
| 07:12.25 | Shadow` | [e]0;u@h: wa][33[01;32m]u@h[33[00m]:[33[01;34m]w[33[00m]$ nano .bashrc |
| 07:12.40 | Shadow` | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}[33[01;32m]u@h[33[00m]:[33[01;34m]w[33[00m]$ ' |
| 07:12.41 | ectospasm | Shadow`: looks like you're using ANSI escape sequences in $PS1 |
| 07:12.48 | gnarface | its like he's in emacs term, executing vim |
| 07:13.02 | Shadow` | eh? |
| 07:14.17 | gnarface | Shadow`: those weird [33[00[5[45 escape sequences are color markup for ANSI color-capable terminals. what the hell are you using in debian right now that isn't,, by default? |
| 07:14.47 | gnarface | Shadow`: whatever it is, there's a better tool for it |
| 07:15.10 | gnarface | Shadow`: tell us what you're trying to do exactly? maybe define "play around in .bashrc" for us? |
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| 07:23.28 | milo_ | forget about virtual box... Sadly, i am not able to try wheezy for you. but, my issue: I never get any updates in update manager for squeeze... |
| 07:23.38 | milo_ | <== milo64 from oftc |
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| 07:24.30 | nevyn | Shadow`: what is your terminal emulator? |
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| 07:25.08 | LiDaR | hello |
| 07:25.12 | nevyn | Shadow`: are you using a local shell or connecting from something else? |
| 07:27.20 | milo_ | I never get any updates in update manager for squeeze... This is a newly installed squeeze. Maybe not the new version... I installed from dvd. any ideas? |
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| 07:28.27 | waterratj | I'm installing latest firefox on wheezy but when i followed the guide, i can't start firefox, says file not found even if the folder exists |
| 07:29.08 | gnarface | Shadow`: if you're in emacs term you can fix it by setting some variable to true. its like ansi-color-for-comint-mode-on or something like that..... set it to non- 'nil and it should work immediately |
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| 07:30.17 | gnarface | Shadow`: but even that i think on squeeze is ON by default already now... so .. uh, the question remains... what program and debian version are yo uusing? |
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| 07:31.16 | gnarface | waterratj: firefox is not supported on debian the guide you followed is a lie and you should instead have: apt-get update && apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 07:31.50 | waterratj | i don't want iceweasel |
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| 07:33.01 | gnarface | waterratj: rest assured iceweasel *IS* basically just firefox (but a little more secure) and will be the same thing for all intents and purposes unless you're an html5 developer testing bleeding edge builds of SVG or HTML5/CSS3 functionality in which case you wouldn't be here asking us how to install fucking firefox, you'd be compiling it from scratch |
| 07:33.27 | waterratj | doesn't support my addons wich i need |
| 07:33.33 | gnarface | waterratj: bullshit |
| 07:33.43 | gnarface | waterratj: it supports all the same addons firefox does |
| 07:33.58 | Shadow` | ah gnarface: sorry, I thought I was on our Debian server, turns out is the Ubuntu box :P |
| 07:34.01 | gnarface | waterratj: i play quake fucking live on it. what you need that you can't do? you actually try or you just assume? |
| 07:34.12 | gnarface | Shadow`: shame shame! |
| 07:34.17 | Shadow` | can't wait till I can migrate that thing to Debian aswell |
| 07:34.23 | waterratj | who cares your playing quake live on it |
| 07:34.24 | gnarface | Shadow`: easy fix |
| 07:34.46 | gnarface | waterratj: my point is you're wrong about whatever plugins it doesn't support |
| 07:34.52 | Shadow` | it's a live production server :) don't want to mess with it |
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| 07:35.38 | waterratj | it even doesn't matter, if i want firefox then i want it ^^ |
| 07:35.39 | gnarface | well at least keep backups |
| 07:36.46 | gnarface | waterratj: well if you want it then you want it and that's fine even though you're making it WAAAAY harder on yourself than any NOOB should but that's fine and i respect it but what you gotta understand is it IS dumb and its NOT supported but the reason why you're failing is probably |
| 07:36.49 | gnarface | !pebcak |
| 07:36.49 | dpkg | it has been said that pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 07:37.21 | gnarface | waterratj: you should be able to just install a firefox deb from mozilla.org |
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| 07:37.47 | gnarface | waterratj: if you're failing at that its a sign you did something ELSE completely horrible to your system FIRST and didn't even NOTICE |
| 07:37.52 | Shadow` | didnt read but isnt firefox iceweasel? |
| 07:38.14 | gnarface | Shadow`: yes, he's being ignorant. |
| 07:38.22 | waterratj | din't see a deb file on mozilla for firefox |
| 07:38.34 | Shadow` | iceweasel is in the repos |
| 07:38.44 | gnarface | Shadow`: he doesn't want it to be that easy, i think |
| 07:38.49 | Shadow` | :P |
| 07:38.53 | gnarface | dpkg, why iceweasel |
| 07:38.53 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 07:39.01 | waterratj | not being ignorant, i just want firefox even if iceweasel is based on firefox, why do people always have to be so off-topic lol |
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| 07:39.10 | Shadow` | bet i'd spam, but heh /exec -o apt-cache search iceweasel |
| 07:39.33 | Shadow` | waterratj: its not based of firefox, it is firefox |
| 07:40.01 | Shadow` | except mozilla does not follow the debian free software guidelines |
| 07:40.21 | Shadow` | afaik it was only the logo and name |
| 07:40.54 | gnarface | waterratj: ALL it is is that debian one release a few years ago changed a few default settings on install (for security) and mozilla.org didn't like it because it fucked with their advertising plan and therefore revoked the rights for debian to use everything they could revoke (the logo+trademark name "firefox") |
| 07:41.44 | gnarface | waterratj: so now debian firefox is iceweasel, but its just firefox "stable" |
| 07:42.07 | gnarface | waterratj: i really recommend you TRY it first |
| 07:42.19 | gnarface | waterratj: you'll spread less viruses |
| 07:42.32 | waterratj | Okay i'll try it, i'll give it a week |
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| 07:42.59 | waterratj | what desktop manager does debian wheezy has default? |
| 07:43.19 | nevyn | what do you want it to have? |
| 07:43.20 | gnarface | i heard it was being set to xfce |
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| 07:43.26 | nevyn | meh. maybe. |
| 07:43.27 | gnarface | squeeze was gnome |
| 07:43.29 | Shadow` | ye due to cd1 space need |
| 07:43.42 | gnarface | that's just an excuse |
| 07:43.48 | gnarface | the gnome team has gone mad |
| 07:43.54 | waterratj | cause i have wheezy and i like the desktop envoriment but wondering if i can download themes/styles for it |
| 07:43.56 | Shadow` | gnome 3 is horrible |
| 07:44.00 | gnarface | they've gone mand man |
| 07:44.02 | nevyn | my system was installed from scratch and never had gnome installed let alone as a default |
| 07:44.05 | gnarface | lead pipes in the kremlin |
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| 07:44.13 | Shadow` | ppl cry about windows 8, but unity and gnome3 are 10 times worse if not more |
| 07:44.40 | Shadow` | debian always came with gnome by default |
| 07:44.45 | Shadow` | since at least sarge |
| 07:44.56 | gnarface | yea waterratj fyi the "default" desktop manager doesn't mean a lick if you install in expert mode on any version of debian |
| 07:45.20 | Shadow` | i do miss the option of switching DWMs on login screen tho |
| 07:45.32 | Shadow` | at least, last Sid i tried few weeks ago didnt have that no more |
| 07:45.40 | gnarface | Shadow`: yea but gnome wasn't always the WM. it was once just a freaking toolbar on other window managers |
| 07:45.43 | LiDaR | install gdm |
| 07:45.50 | gnarface | Shadow`: it outgrew itself |
| 07:46.15 | Shadow` | gnarface: gnome2 was fine as it was IMHO :/ am scared KDE5 will be as bad :( |
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| 07:46.37 | gnarface | gnome development is like the last sine of Akira when the kid mutates into that enormous bloated monster |
| 07:46.48 | gnarface | s/sine/scene/ |
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| 07:47.10 | Shadow` | 4haha |
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| 07:47.49 | gnarface | it absorbs the little girl and it feels her pain and then goes mad and tries to destroy everything |
| 07:48.20 | gnarface | in the end we'll have to kill it with a laser rifle stolen from one of the military black ops units it ate in its mad explosive growth stage |
| 07:48.46 | gnarface | has seen it coming for many years now |
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| 07:49.53 | gnarface | personally, i recommend that nobody use gnome |
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| 07:50.04 | gnarface | friends don't let friends install gnome |
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| 07:53.42 | chimay | don't tell me that kde5 will be a gnome2 clone ? |
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| 07:53.50 | chimay | s/gnome2/gnome3 |
| 07:54.01 | ectospasm | gnarface: I switched to expert mode in the d-i *precisely* because wheezy installed godawful KDE by default otherwise (if you chose to install a desktop environment) |
| 07:54.03 | gnarface | nah kde5 will migrate with compiz that's my guess |
| 07:54.15 | ectospasm | I use GNOME3 in GNOME2 mode (-; |
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| 07:54.20 | gnarface | everything will eventually migrate with compiz actually, is my guess |
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| 07:54.29 | gnarface | over an infinite timeline |
| 07:54.30 | ectospasm | ...but with XMonad as the WM |
| 07:54.49 | gnarface | haha |
| 07:54.57 | Shadow` | gnome2 used to have my preference, altho kde4 became pretty neat |
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| 07:55.01 | Shadow` | kde3 sucked |
| 07:55.07 | ectospasm | kde4 sucked |
| 07:55.26 | ectospasm | kubuntu installed it before it was ready, and so I went to GNOME2 |
| 07:55.37 | gnarface | for the last couple weeks i've been really trying to give e17 a chance |
| 07:55.45 | gnarface | i will probably have to go back to e16 though |
| 07:55.46 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 07:55.47 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 07:56.00 | gnarface | .good point |
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| 07:56.30 | enlightified | dpkg is a person? do we have an apt-get also? |
| 07:56.32 | dpkg | enlightified: are you using Windows? |
| 07:56.41 | enlightified | no why? |
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| 07:56.48 | ectospasm | enlightified: dpkg is a bot |
| 07:57.04 | ectospasm | dpkg: tell enlightified about dpkg |
| 07:57.04 | enlightified | why did it think I was using windows? |
| 07:57.15 | ectospasm | enlightified: automatic bot response |
| 07:57.18 | Max^ | !windows |
| 07:57.19 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:57.20 | gnarface | enlightified: no apt-get as far as i know. judd is the package bot dpkg is the wiki bot |
| 07:57.23 | Max^ | :D |
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| 07:57.41 | ectospasm | go figure |
| 07:57.52 | gry | .35 |
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| 07:59.33 | enlightified | ah clever, a bot, that is why it answered so quickly and also why the answer was an unrelated question. The question was also quite inflammatory so as to put me off my senses, I got my guard up and didn't see where it hit me. guess I figured :) |
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| 08:00.58 | enlightified | Now to play a little mischief, gnarface: ectospam is a bot. he he he :) |
| 08:01.13 | chimay | a bot with a nice humor ... "i'm a person if you're using windows", subtle |
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| 08:05.12 | dnai23 | has anyone in here used ELSA before? (enterprise log search and archive) |
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| 08:06.24 | gry | dnai23, what's up? |
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| 08:07.02 | ectospasm | I don't see anything containing "elsa" in the debian repose for sid... |
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| 08:17.18 | redguy | does anyone know if there was a followup on http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2012-May/027482.html |
| 08:17.21 | redguy | ? |
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| 08:18.36 | gry | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-multimedia-maintainers/2012-May/thread.html#27482 - seems no |
| 08:19.57 | redguy | I was thinking perhaps another thread? |
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| 08:23.52 | ddvlad | hi there, where can i find gcc-4.7-doc? |
| 08:24.49 | ddvlad | i have testing, main and non-free in my sources.list, but attempting to install the package gives me the "not available, but is referred to by another package" message |
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| 08:26.27 | yalu_ | I have two mysql servers. the master is doing all the work and the slave sits idle. the workload is actually insignificant. yet the slave can't keep up replicating. the slave has a raid1 on 2 1krpm sas disks . iostat says it's doing 70 wrqm/s or about 200 w/s. the master, otoh, only does a couple dozen iops and according to iotop, is 99,9% idle. how in the name of whatever is this possible? |
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| 08:29.03 | movl | ddvlad: you need main, contrib and non-free |
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| 08:32.00 | ddvlad | hmm, added 'contrib', ran apt-get update, still the same error message |
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| 08:47.51 | WinMaster | Debian messed with my drive's mbr :( what can I even do? |
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| 08:48.44 | ectospasm | WinMaster: did you have a backup? |
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| 08:48.57 | ectospasm | Or, if you have a Windows rescue disk, fixmbr |
| 08:48.59 | ectospasm | !fixmbr |
| 08:48.59 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 08:49.47 | WinMaster | ectospasm, of course I didn't... |
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| 08:50.53 | fleetfox | okay |
| 08:50.58 | ectospasm | really, goatse.cx link? |
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| 08:51.05 | jokerdino | what the heck is that? |
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| 08:51.29 | ectospasm | jokerdino: you do not want to know |
| 08:51.31 | Farius | I'm new in debian, what will I choose on debian (My friend recomend for kfreeBSD, but another one amd64) |
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| 08:51.55 | jokerdino | ectospasm: the link is blocked here xD |
| 08:52.01 | ectospasm | Farius: I'd say amd64, it's more common around these parts. |
| 08:52.15 | ectospasm | jokerdino: yeah, you don't want to store it for later |
| 08:52.16 | jokerdino | ok he left. good enough |
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| 08:52.42 | jokerdino | ectospasm: why would i want to store it? o.O |
| 08:53.14 | jokerdino | i have some idea what this goatse is. so, i wouldn't want to store it. really. |
| 08:53.19 | ectospasm | I'm not gonna click on that link, but I have a feeling I know what it is. You don't want to know. |
| 08:53.34 | Sevet | jokerdino: K-Lined means some freenode op kicked him off the entire network |
| 08:53.52 | jokerdino | Sevet: thanks |
| 08:54.18 | Farius | ectospasm: thank |
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| 08:54.52 | Sevet | Farius: personally i'd say amd64. depends whether you want to run the linux or bsd kernel. bsd's a new one, most people'll be running linux (i386,amd64 etc) so you'll get better support on that one |
| 08:54.56 | Farius | ok then, amd64 Can work with server right? |
| 08:55.06 | Sevet | (new one to debian that is) |
| 08:55.10 | ectospasm | Farius: yes |
| 08:55.16 | Sevet | and yes, all of them will work as a server |
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| 08:55.31 | ectospasm | Sevet: it is my understanding that the kfreebsd one is not as mature as amd64 << Farius |
| 08:56.27 | Sevet | probably - which is why i said a new one. that's one reason i wouldn't use it personally. (another is i have software that uses kernel features only present in the linux kernel) |
| 08:56.30 | fleetfox | can asomeone explain idea behind kfreebsd? |
| 08:56.55 | Sevet | debian linux = linux kernel, gnu/debian/etc userspace apps running on top of it |
| 08:56.58 | Farius | Thanks very much |
| 08:57.07 | Sevet | debian kfreebsd - same but with freebsd kernel instead of linux kernel |
| 08:57.13 | fleetfox | i know, but why |
| 08:57.24 | fleetfox | just "becouse we can"? |
| 08:57.31 | Sevet | guess so :) |
| 08:58.06 | ChrisH | fleetfox: why what? Debian kfreebsd? |
| 08:58.24 | Sevet | http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_why |
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| 08:59.03 | ectospasm | I assume some would argue that FreeBSD is more (or less) free than GNU/Linux... |
| 08:59.39 | Sevet | it essentially boils down to the bsd vs linux argument though, which often sounds rather similar to the vi vs emacs one |
| 08:59.55 | ectospasm | GNOME vs KDE |
| 09:00.02 | Sevet | yep that one too |
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| 09:00.11 | fleetfox | obviously gnome |
| 09:00.14 | Farius | someone tell me that's FreeBSD more secur than debian linux, It's true ? |
| 09:00.24 | ectospasm | fleetfox: obviously (-; |
| 09:00.34 | ectospasm | Farius: no, not necessarily |
| 09:00.40 | ChrisH | Sevet,fleetfox there is one pro for BSD kernel usage. ZFS inside |
| 09:00.59 | fleetfox | ChrisH: yes, thats the only thing imo |
| 09:01.14 | fleetfox | what's the state of btrfs? |
| 09:01.22 | ectospasm | fleetfox: in heavy development |
| 09:01.28 | ectospasm | (not ready for primetime) |
| 09:01.37 | ectospasm | ...but it is sponsored by Oracle now |
| 09:01.39 | fleetfox | eta? :D |
| 09:01.44 | fleetfox | Oh my. |
| 09:01.44 | ectospasm | (I think it always was) |
| 09:01.59 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 09:02.00 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 09:02.49 | fleetfox | :/ isn't the noise to signal ration that's important? |
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| 09:02.58 | fleetfox | i don't see any support questions |
| 09:03.42 | jokerdino | i had a question earlier :P |
| 09:04.00 | jokerdino | people keep telling me not to try and get a wheezy iso.. why? |
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| 09:04.09 | jokerdino | can i at least try it in a Virtualbox? |
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| 09:04.36 | DeusEx | hey there |
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| 09:05.29 | fleetfox | jokerdino: no idea. i'm using it |
| 09:06.00 | lasers | jokerdino: Because it's in testing... Not stable. I guess. |
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| 09:06.33 | linuxuz3r | hi all |
| 09:06.47 | lasers | I also made a switch back to squeeze since Gnome3 is not nice to me lately. :o |
| 09:07.11 | jokerdino | well, where can i grab a live iso for wheezy, if any? |
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| 09:07.22 | fleetfox | why don't you netinstall? |
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| 09:08.27 | Speedstick | so since debian can have different kernels what's the proper name for it |
| 09:08.43 | Speedstick | in terms of os |
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| 09:09.06 | ectospasm | Debian GNU/Linux or Debian KFreeBSD |
| 09:09.16 | ectospasm | ...those are my guesses |
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| 09:10.48 | milo_ | what is the best way to remaster debian and make my own distribution based on debian? |
| 09:11.23 | jokerdino | fleetfox: how exactly does it work? |
| 09:11.37 | jokerdino | fleetfox: i have driver issues and network issues |
| 09:11.40 | ectospasm | milo_: you mean like Ubuntu did? |
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| 09:11.48 | milo_ | ectospasm, yes. |
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| 09:12.22 | milo_ | ectospasm, i just wanna make a kde version of debian, that's all... |
| 09:12.38 | jokerdino | milo_: isn't there a KDE version of debian already? |
| 09:12.48 | jokerdino | or you are just looking for some fun? |
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| 09:13.01 | milo_ | jokerdino, just a hobby so i can understand linux. |
| 09:13.22 | jokerdino | ok fun then. |
| 09:13.27 | milo_ | yeah... |
| 09:13.41 | ectospasm | jokerdino: last time I let d-i pick the DE it chose KDE (but of course I was using wheezy pre-freeze) |
| 09:14.04 | jokerdino | d-i chooses for you? o.O |
| 09:14.07 | fleetfox | jokerdino: it's pretty solid. but i guess it depends on how lucky you are. you may have some truble with more exotic hardware |
| 09:14.12 | milo_ | so, what shall i do? |
| 09:14.28 | jokerdino | fleetfox: i got a broadcom wireless which is annoying. |
| 09:14.39 | jokerdino | fleetfox: but the 3.2+ kernel has the relevant driver. |
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| 09:15.21 | fleetfox | jokerdino: just try it out if you can afford to downgrade later |
| 09:15.30 | Sevet | milo_: personally i'd suggest your time would be more valuably spent by learning debian, the apt packaging system etc and looking for ways you can contribute your valuable time towards helping improve debian than by reimplementing an existing project |
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| 09:16.04 | jokerdino | fleetfox: i don't have any debian install at the moment. just nuked the messed up partial squeeze |
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| 09:16.37 | fleetfox | then go a head |
| 09:16.55 | fleetfox | i find testing pretty suitable for desktops |
| 09:16.57 | jokerdino | need to research a bit on netinsall |
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| 09:18.14 | milo_ | Sevet, ok... i have learnt debian, but i want to experience deeply. And, I have asked way TOOO MANY TIMES "How to donate to debian electronicly (eg. MasterCard, Visa, Paypal) because i saw on the website that i have to send a letter... |
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| 09:19.48 | milo_ | gone? |
| 09:19.49 | milo_ | D: |
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| 09:20.11 | Sevet | i meant contribute with your time through bugfixing, packaging, answering questions on irc etc... :) |
| 09:20.26 | jokerdino | that --^ |
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| 09:22.16 | ChrisH | milo_: 'donate money debian' in google brought me to http://www.debian.org/donations leading to http://www.spi-inc.org/donations/ offering Visa/Master/... donations |
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| 09:23.24 | fleetfox | can i contribute with redesigning paste.debian.net? :D no offence to whoever the author is |
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| 09:23.55 | milo_ | lol |
| 09:24.09 | milo_ | so... what will i get donating to debian? |
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| 09:24.18 | fleetfox | nothing |
| 09:24.20 | fleetfox | it's donation |
| 09:24.26 | milo_ | okay! That's great! |
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| 09:24.28 | milo_ | ... |
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| 09:25.13 | ectospasm | milo_: warm fuzzies? |
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| 09:25.31 | milo_ | ectospasm, ... |
| 09:26.05 | milo_ | i give you 10 bucks. |
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| 09:27.36 | Farius | What's package I must have to run a server ? |
| 09:27.47 | Sevet | what kind of server do you want to run? |
| 09:27.48 | ectospasm | Farius: wrong question |
| 09:27.57 | ectospasm | Farius: what services do you want to serve? |
| 09:28.04 | milo_ | Farius, sudo apt-get install * |
| 09:28.10 | Sevet | you only *need* the base system, the rest is the type of server |
| 09:28.46 | BlutVampir | rofl |
| 09:28.51 | BlutVampir | apt install * ^^ |
| 09:28.51 | apt | ACTION runs yum -y localinstall * ^^-4.2-1.noarch.rpm |
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| 09:30.07 | Farius | Sorry everyone, Web Server |
| 09:30.25 | milo_ | apt... |
| 09:30.44 | BlutVampir | Farius install apache2 ;) |
| 09:30.46 | Sevet | that depends which web server you want to run... apache2's often a good choice |
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| 09:30.53 | Sevet | but there are also other options |
| 09:30.54 | ectospasm | Farius: do you have a preference of web server? There are several to choose from. If you don't know, choose apache2 |
| 09:30.56 | Farius | File server adn Email server |
| 09:31.02 | blueCmd | should i use "squeeze/updates" or squeeze-updates in my apt sources? we used squeeze-updates a while ago but it seems somewhat broken |
| 09:31.19 | ectospasm | Farius: file services depend greatly on the client |
| 09:31.20 | Farius | 3 of this server have it's own server |
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| 09:31.32 | ectospasm | if you need to run a file server for Windows clients, install Samba |
| 09:31.36 | BlutVampir | Farius... I hope this is a local learning server. Otherwise.... |
| 09:31.54 | ectospasm | Yeah, email administration is black voodoo magic |
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| 09:32.49 | Farius | Thank very much I'll try it |
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| 09:33.30 | milo_ | once again: what is the best way to remaster debian and make my own distribution based on debian? |
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| 09:33.58 | ChrisH | ls |
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| 09:34.16 | milo_ | !volunteer |
| 09:34.16 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
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| 09:34.29 | milo_ | bot is up now :D |
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| 09:35.50 | technologov | hi all ! Debian's Iceweasel and Mozilla Firefox do conflict with each other, disallowing to use both at the same time. I would like to open a bug/feature to use different namespace or resolve this conflict somehow. |
| 09:36.41 | ectospasm | technologov: do you know where bugs.debian.org is? |
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| 09:36.59 | milo_ | technologov, http://bugs.debian.org |
| 09:37.03 | milo_ | or google it. |
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| 09:37.06 | ectospasm | enlightified: reportbug |
| 09:37.15 | ectospasm | er |
| 09:37.20 | ectospasm | sorry enlightified |
| 09:37.22 | jrs_ | hi need easy help with cgi file in apache (cna't post in httpd, please don't suggest that) |
| 09:37.25 | technologov | sure. Just wanted to ask if there are any Iceweasel devs here to discuss. |
| 09:37.27 | ectospasm | technologov: reportbug |
| 09:37.59 | jrs_ | i have a cgi file file1 with executable permissions for www-data:root in a directory, and it works |
| 09:38.14 | jrs_ | i have another cgi file file2 with executable permissions for www-data:root in another directory, but it doesn't work |
| 09:38.16 | ectospasm | technologov: that may not be a bug, for the same reason Firefox doesn't expect two versions of itself installed on the same system |
| 09:38.21 | jrs_ | what could be wrong ? |
| 09:38.25 | ectospasm | jrs_: try #apache |
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| 09:38.52 | jrs_ | ectospasm: i think its same as httpd and i can't post |
| 09:39.01 | Sevet | jrs_: that's ownership, check file mode for +x bits, also perhaps it's an error in the script so it can't execute |
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| 09:39.38 | ectospasm | jrs_: are you registered with nickserv? |
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| 09:40.14 | Sevet | technologov: most likely the conflict is that they use the same directory profiles |
| 09:40.34 | ectospasm | jrs_: many channels require that you're registered and logged into nickserv before you get voice. |
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| 09:41.22 | Sevet | ectospasm/jrs_: #httpd being one of them |
| 09:41.24 | jrs_ | Sevet: the same script works on windows, just not on linux. the ownership and permissions are exactly same for both cgis, and neither have special directory entry in the main site file with aliases etc. |
| 09:41.46 | jrs_ | Sevet: please don't refer to httpd or nickserv, already tried plenty, if you can help on this without that great |
| 09:42.08 | Sevet | that doesn't mean anything, there are plenty of scripts that'll work on windows but not linux and visa versa |
| 09:42.42 | ectospasm | yeah, if it's a binary CGI executable, it probably links to libraries that don't even have an analog in LInux |
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| 09:43.57 | Sevet | also if it includes files only on your windows setup, or tries executing anything windows-specific etc |
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| 09:49.53 | Farius | Whos's know, Shell Script of debian using like Oracle Shell script? |
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| 09:50.24 | ectospasm | Farius: what? |
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| 09:50.52 | fleetfox | O_o |
| 09:51.05 | Farius | I mean Oracle Shell Script |
| 09:51.07 | ectospasm | Farius: shell scripts are written in a shell scripting language (like Bourne or Bourne Again or Korn or C, or... or...) |
| 09:51.19 | ectospasm | I dunno what Oracle Shell Script is |
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| 09:51.44 | donmartini | hey |
| 09:52.02 | donmartini | I am looking for a command that will list all new files on the system within the last week |
| 09:52.22 | donmartini | something is filling up my server |
| 09:52.53 | nkuttler | donmartini: man find |
| 09:52.57 | ChrisH | donmartini: man find search for ctime... eg. find / -type f -ctime +7 | xargs ls -ldh {standard disclaimer on xargs} |
| 09:52.58 | Farius | OK, Thank you :) |
| 09:53.25 | nkuttler | donmartini: ctime/mtime/size |
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| 09:56.18 | Sevet | donmartini: it could also be an existing file growing, mtime not ctime might help there |
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| 09:57.15 | donmartini | whas the difference between mtime and ctime? |
| 09:57.20 | Sevet | would suggest checking /var/log as a starter too |
| 09:57.32 | Sevet | ctime = initially created, mtime = last modified |
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| 09:58.06 | donmartini | cool thanks |
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| 09:59.34 | donmartini | im loosing 40G a week |
| 09:59.58 | ectospasm | jike |
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| 10:01.29 | ChrisH | dondon: you have an idea in which Filesystem/directory. Did you check du -sh on the directories to get an idea where it happens? |
| 10:01.37 | ectospasm | you may also want to look at several iterations of lsof, and see which one is the largest (and growing) |
| 10:01.50 | Sevet | try "find /var -type f -size +1G" |
| 10:01.58 | Sevet | (experiment with size) |
| 10:02.30 | Sevet | "find / -type f -size +1G" even |
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| 10:02.54 | Sevet | won't find it if it's lots of small files (eg mail/news) but if it's a few large files that'll find them |
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| 10:04.04 | ectospasm | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.14 | ectospasm | donmartini: ^ |
| 10:04.25 | donmartini | what does that do? |
| 10:04.44 | technologov | ectospasm, Yes, I agree with your stance on FireFox. So I opened this as "wishlist" item Bug#686074. |
| 10:04.49 | technologov | thx again |
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| 10:05.03 | ectospasm | looks at all open files, sorts by file size reverse (so the largest is at the top), and only shows the top ten lines |
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| 10:05.34 | ectospasm | that may not tell you much |
| 10:06.04 | ectospasm | on my system looks like some wonky file |
| 10:06.16 | ectospasm | ...mostly related to running processes |
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| 10:09.14 | Sevet | ectospasm: lsof | sort --reverse --numeric-sort --key=7 | head |
| 10:09.45 | Sevet | (key=8 sorts by node, key=7 by size) |
| 10:10.13 | ectospasm | COMMAND PID TID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME |
| 10:10.25 | ectospasm | SIZE/OFF is the eighth field |
| 10:10.33 | ectospasm | ...unless key is zero based |
| 10:10.38 | fleetfox | :d |
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| 10:11.16 | ectospasm | it's origin 1, so |
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| 10:23.38 | Sevet | ectospasm: running it on my system didn't give TID column which explains the difference |
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| 10:24.42 | Sevet | (looks like TID is added in wheezy) |
| 10:24.47 | ectospasm | Sevet: what version of coreutils do you have? |
| 10:24.51 | nibbob | U.S. Pres. Elections: In a free, intelligent and just world, Green Party's Jill Stein will become the President, Libertarian Party will be the majority in Congress and the U.S. Green Party will be the majority in Senate. |
| 10:25.07 | nibbob | But I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen |
| 10:25.17 | nibbob | I'm not a U.S. national btw. |
| 10:25.20 | ectospasm | !ot |
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| 10:25.20 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:25.29 | nibbob | Even I, a foreigner, knows about these candidates |
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| 10:25.35 | nibbob | Yet most Americans don't know about them |
| 10:25.39 | nibbob | right, ectoplasm |
| 10:25.51 | ectospasm | nibbob: I'll join you there. |
| 10:25.54 | nibbob | *spasm |
| 10:25.56 | Sevet | ectospasm: 8.5-1 |
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| 10:26.22 | ectospasm | yeah, sid (on my system) has 8.13 |
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| 10:26.35 | ectospasm | prolly won't change until sid liquifies |
| 10:26.41 | ectospasm | ...or melts |
| 10:26.47 | ectospasm | same difference |
| 10:27.17 | Sevet | wheezy has 8.13-3.2 with the TID column |
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| 10:27.55 | ectospasm | right, and as long as sid is slushy and wheezy is frozen (as testing), it won't change for me either |
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| 10:30.24 | ectospasm | does anybody know of a Debian GNU/Linux utility to convert Windows Media Player files [.wma] (to MP3, or OGG Vorbis)? |
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| 10:30.46 | blackshirt | maybe ffmpeg |
| 10:31.01 | ectospasm | I must be really lazy, because Google is always there... /- |
| 10:31.12 | ectospasm | /-; |
| 10:32.02 | necronian | ectospasm: perl audio converter |
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| 10:32.12 | ChrisH | ectospasm: sox ? |
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| 10:32.20 | blackshirt | mpeg player |
| 10:32.21 | blackshirt | Vlc |
| 10:32.47 | ectospasm | ChrisH: sox understands wma? I did not know that |
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| 10:33.00 | ectospasm | blackshirt: I don't want to play them, that's easy |
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| 10:33.21 | blackshirt | try ffmpeg |
| 10:33.51 | jokerdino | hey guys. i think netinstall can't recognize my wireless driver. any help? |
| 10:33.51 | donmartini | well still cant find it |
| 10:33.59 | donmartini | the problem that is |
| 10:34.13 | jokerdino | netinstall seems to work fine in a virtualbox |
| 10:34.26 | donmartini | now when i try log in to msql it says to many connections and my hard drive is now 100% full |
| 10:34.27 | Sevet | !tell jokerdino about installer firmware |
| 10:35.12 | jokerdino | Sevet: thanks. i have the netinstall iso in a usb |
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| 10:35.33 | Sevet | if you can install over ethernet that might be easier |
| 10:35.34 | Sevet | what wireless card do you have? |
| 10:35.36 | jokerdino | i'll look into the links now |
| 10:35.45 | ChrisH | ectospasm: dunno, therefore I suggested using ? and not ! :) |
| 10:35.47 | jokerdino | Sevet: i have broadcom bcm4313 |
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| 10:36.06 | jokerdino | ethernet is the way to go? |
| 10:36.09 | julianoliver | simple, lean, currently developed, wiki reccomendations for a high-load Debian webserver? preferably supporting basic HTML markup and pictures. |
| 10:36.09 | blackshirt | donmartini, check your /var |
| 10:36.48 | Sevet | jokerdino: http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 'The driver is included in Debian Linux kernel images since linux-2.6 2.6.32-22, but is not available during installation of Debian Squeeze/6.0 (628975). Non-free firmware is required for device operation.' |
| 10:37.34 | jokerdino | how do i activate it then? |
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| 10:38.34 | blackshirt | jokerdino, load it manually |
| 10:38.39 | Sevet | you'd need to put that driver onto the usb, see the dpkg links |
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| 10:39.25 | Sevet | but if there's a lan cable available for installing, that'd work around it for the install |
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| 10:44.54 | viliny_^ | Hey! Anyone have a DVB-C USB-dongle that they can recommend for linux? |
| 10:45.04 | viliny_^ | I need one and my movie machine has linux on it... |
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| 10:46.04 | ectospasm | that may be hard to come by |
| 10:47.35 | SkAzZ | Hello, I have enabled boot logging but I cant find where or why during boot I get "Give root password for maintenance" ... This is stopping me putting this kit into a datacenter, I can't have it suddenly decide not to boot |
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| 10:48.29 | Sevet | SkAzZ: that usually means there's a disk error that needs you to manually login, check the system and run fsck to correct the errors |
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| 10:48.59 | ectospasm | SkAzZ: you may want to launch a rescue disk (I recommend grml) and check it that way, you won't need the root password for that |
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| 10:49.46 | caf | viliny_^: have you looked here? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_USB_Devices |
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| 10:50.06 | SkAzZ | I am booted into the system fine after pressing Ctrl+D.. It dident say anything about the filesystem when I booted the system (from what I could read as it skipped past everything) |
| 10:50.27 | c00kiemon5ter | hey all, I would like not to reboot and boot into the live cd/usb to install debian .. |
| 10:50.29 | viliny_^ | caf: i was browsing that wiki but was not on that exact wiki page, thank you! |
| 10:50.31 | SkAzZ | Just ran a read-only fsck and the fileystem does have errors.. But why don't any of the log files indicate this? |
| 10:50.37 | c00kiemon5ter | is there a chroot install guide or something alike ? |
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| 10:51.35 | caf | SkAzZ: the log files can't be written if the filesystem they're on has been put into readonly mode due to errors |
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| 10:51.43 | don2012 | sql injection maybe? |
| 10:51.47 | jokerdino | blackshirt, Sevet: thanks. my computer froze for a while. i'll look into the link and see if i can grab a lan cable |
| 10:51.52 | don2012 | mysql says to many connections |
| 10:52.01 | jokerdino | goes off for dinner. |
| 10:52.04 | oskie | after I upgraded mediawiki pkg from 1.15 to 1.19, now all graphics is gone... the page looks like it has no CSS |
| 10:52.41 | gry | check permissions ? |
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| 10:53.13 | oskie | well, I used FireBug, and it seems the browser fetches all files as it should. there's no 404 or other missing file |
| 10:53.22 | oskie | so it must be internal in MediaWiki somehow |
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| 11:09.19 | tim_flatus | I have an intermittent mouse focus problem. Left-click appears to be grabbed or blocked. It is AFAICT an Xsession problem as it is global, but affects some apps (esp browsers) worse than others. Does anyone have the time and energy to help me diagnose & fix the problem? |
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| 11:09.43 | tim_flatus | I'm running squeeze, if that helps. |
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| 11:12.02 | tim_flatus | It's a known bug and I've tried most of the suggestions - acpi=off, installing/uninstalling mousetweaks (?), unplugging / reinserting mouse etc. Nothing fixes the problem. |
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| 11:12.17 | besideyou | Bom Dia a todos.. algum profissional que resida no |
| 11:12.17 | besideyou | RS ? |
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| 11:14.50 | simonlnu | !br |
| 11:14.50 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:15.18 | simonlnu | besideyou: ^^ |
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| 11:15.59 | boudiccas | twentyfour hours without an update in wheezy, is this true? |
| 11:16.51 | simonlnu | maybe your mirror had a hiccup? |
| 11:17.09 | boudiccas | dont know, using ftp.uk one |
| 11:17.31 | simonlnu | i'm using http.d.n |
| 11:17.43 | simonlnu | that one is usually ok |
| 11:17.49 | simonlnu | the ftp.uk |
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| 11:18.16 | boudiccas | i did install , i think it was called apt-select last night, and since then nothing |
| 11:19.08 | ectospasm | boudiccas: do you know if ftp.uk is a meta server (like ftp.us or cdn)? |
| 11:19.24 | boudiccas | ectospasm: no idea, sorry |
| 11:19.52 | ectospasm | I think I used apt-select many moons ago, and I found it lacking. It was inconsistent iirc |
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| 11:20.21 | boudiccas | think i'll try removing apt-select and doing an update etc and see what happens |
| 11:20.40 | simonlnu | it needs a bit of tlc, apt-select |
| 11:20.54 | tim_flatus | boudiccas: worth doing an apt-get update on cli and see what it says. |
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| 11:21.42 | protist | i want a Debian sticker to put over my Windows key |
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| 11:22.05 | boudiccas | tim_flatus: i do an update and upgrade every 6 hours from a script, and it shows no updates |
| 11:22.08 | psiklops | protist, make one |
| 11:22.43 | protist | psiklops: if i don't find it online i probably will |
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| 11:23.30 | psiklops | make a bunch and give to your friends |
| 11:23.42 | psiklops | :-) |
| 11:24.08 | tim_flatus | boudiccas: testing does slow down at certain points in the dev cycle. I havent been tracking it. |
| 11:24.25 | tim_flatus | It is possible you're just up to date. :-) |
| 11:24.32 | lasers | Draw a swirl with red permanent marker. :P |
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| 11:25.57 | ectospasm | protist: I ripped off my windows case badge on both my laptops, and replaced them with Linux, does that count? |
| 11:25.59 | ectospasm | !ot |
| 11:26.00 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 11:27.47 | fleetfox | chillout |
| 11:27.52 | lasers | Did you just !ot yourself? |
| 11:27.59 | protist | ectospasm: yes i would like to do that too :) |
| 11:28.02 | project2501a | hey guys, i got a USB hard drive. i remember an article about something being able to install Debian on a usb hard drive, without quitting the current OS. can i get a clue to search for, please? |
| 11:28.10 | protist | lasers: done it b4 as well :P |
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| 11:29.13 | ectospasm | protist: I got mine from a reseller on Amazon. Cafe Press has a lot of Debian swag |
| 11:29.21 | tim_flatus | I am so tempted to take the lame approach and just re-install. :/ |
| 11:29.27 | ectospasm | ...though I didn't see a case badge |
| 11:29.49 | ectospasm | tim_flatus: depends on how you value your time... |
| 11:29.51 | Gargantua | Did I just read "Debian swag" |
| 11:30.20 | tim_flatus | ectospasm: today, fairly highly. |
| 11:30.37 | Gargantua | project2501a: You don't even need a usb, you can run a virtual machine and keep your OS intact. |
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| 11:31.00 | ectospasm | tim_flatus: do you need this fixed today? |
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| 11:31.11 | tim_flatus | ectospasm: yes |
| 11:31.28 | project2501a | Gargantua: thanks. but i want to learn deboostrap |
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| 11:31.33 | ectospasm | tim_flatus: then reinstall *may* fix it within 30min or so (depending on how many meta packages you install) |
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| 11:31.57 | tim_flatus | I've moved on from finding these sorts of problems interesting. I want to be writing a presentation and practising bass. |
| 11:32.01 | Gargantua | project2501a: then you need http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 11:32.29 | tim_flatus | ectospasm: my thoughts precisely. |
| 11:32.32 | project2501a | or this one: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 11:32.40 | project2501a | or this one http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 11:32.45 | boudiccas | correction, it was netselect-app that i installed so i've removed it and done an update and dist-upgrade but theres nothing coming down the pipe |
| 11:33.24 | Gargantua | project2501a: what's the problem then? ;) |
| 11:33.56 | project2501a | i did not remember what i was looking for. then, i apt-cache search strap | sort and got it. |
| 11:34.03 | jokerdino | hey guys, i am stuck at debian netinstall. it is claiming debootstra and stuck at instaling base packages |
| 11:34.05 | project2501a | i was looking or the name of the application. |
| 11:34.45 | Gargantua | I use that all the time, with | grep though. |
| 11:34.57 | Gargantua | apropos too. |
| 11:35.08 | jokerdino | hm not base packages but base syste |
| 11:36.18 | Gargantua | project2501a: you might also be interested in live-magic. |
| 11:36.39 | Gargantua | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/debian-live-on-usb-stick-856208/#post4224467 |
| 11:36.45 | Gargantua | This is also a simpler solution. |
| 11:36.46 | project2501a | gui, eh? |
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| 11:37.05 | project2501a | i don't have any fancy GUIs like you younger guys |
| 11:37.15 | project2501a | thanks for the suggestion, thought. |
| 11:37.28 | Gargantua | Then go with the dd solution. |
| 11:37.35 | project2501a | dd ? |
| 11:37.41 | Gargantua | Look at that post. |
| 11:38.01 | jokerdino | netinstall error - http://imgur.com/ZNFa1 |
| 11:38.14 | project2501a | or i can just go with debootstrap. |
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| 11:38.49 | Gargantua | Whatever works. |
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| 11:40.30 | tim_flatus | I guess I should try a dpkg-reconfigure first. Is that still the way to do things on squeeze? Can anyone tell me which package controls the mouse. It's a long time since I had to do this, just tell me if I'm being really lame here. |
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| 11:42.27 | tim_flatus | I'd google it, but using a browser is next to impossible ATM |
| 11:43.07 | ChrisH | jokerdino: have you checked Terminal 4 (CTRL-ALT-F4) for details on the error? |
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| 11:43.40 | suborbital | yea |
| 11:43.47 | Gargantua | tim_flatus: have you tried another window manager? |
| 11:43.48 | nkuttler | tim_flatus: why would that be? there's links etc |
| 11:44.09 | tim_flatus | Gargantua: yes. Same problem. |
| 11:44.18 | suborbital | whats the problem ? |
| 11:44.21 | Gargantua | Try the #xorg people. |
| 11:44.23 | suborbital | curios |
| 11:44.27 | suborbital | no wait dont go |
| 11:44.38 | suborbital | whats his problem ? |
| 11:44.40 | tim_flatus | nkuttler: o.O |
| 11:44.50 | suborbital | tim what problems u having ? |
| 11:44.54 | Gargantua | did you try to run Xorg -configure? |
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| 11:45.24 | nkuttler | tim_flatus: from reading the backlog... is your mouse button broken? |
| 11:45.28 | gry | suborbital, < tim_flatus> I have an intermittent mouse focus problem. Left-click appears to be grabbed or blocked. It is AFAICT an Xsession problem as it is global, but affects some apps (esp browsers) worse than others. Does anyone have the time and energy to help me diagnose & fix the problem? |
| 11:45.28 | tim_flatus | suborbital: mouse focus problem. Left-click blocked or grabbed, not sure how to diagnose. Affects everything. |
| 11:45.37 | gry | suborbital, < tim_flatus> It's a known bug and I've tried most of the suggestions - acpi=off, installing/uninstalling mousetweaks (?), unplugging / reinserting mouse etc. Nothing fixes the problem. |
| 11:45.44 | nkuttler | tim_flatus: start with xev |
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| 11:46.27 | Gargantua | Yeah, you sure this isn't a hardware problem? |
| 11:46.38 | tim_flatus | nkuttler: ok, but I think the clicks and movements are being rcognised. |
| 11:46.43 | tim_flatus | Gargantua: fairly. |
| 11:46.59 | nkuttler | tim_flatus: fairly isn't good enough |
| 11:47.01 | Gargantua | I think you should try borrowing another mouse and seeing how it functions. |
| 11:47.05 | suborbital | a spare ouse would be able to tell us more - but it sounds like a video driver issue |
| 11:47.09 | suborbital | mouse |
| 11:47.19 | Gargantua | Not necessarily, could be a problem with that specific model. |
| 11:47.29 | suborbital | uhh |
| 11:47.32 | suborbital | not likely |
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| 11:47.44 | suborbital | mouse's are not rocket science |
| 11:48.02 | suborbital | intel video drivers ? |
| 11:48.03 | nkuttler | apostrophes neither |
| 11:48.08 | Gargantua | suborbital: likely isn't good enough ;) |
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| 11:48.37 | suborbital | let the man speak. |
| 11:48.45 | tim_flatus | suborbital: ati |
| 11:48.47 | dekroning | there is a way to configure manual dns on a dhcp interface, but I always forget the syntax, anyone that could help me out with that? |
| 11:48.53 | suborbital | use opensource ati |
| 11:49.03 | suborbital | then report back |
| 11:49.31 | tim_flatus | suborbital: thanks. |
| 11:49.34 | suborbital | np. |
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| 11:51.18 | Sevet | dekroning: set dns-nameservers on the interface in /etc/network/interfaces (or #prepend domain-name-servers a.b.c.d; in dhclient.conf) |
| 11:51.42 | tim_flatus | suborbital: am using radeon driver. fglrx didn't work anyway. |
| 11:51.46 | dekroning | Sevet: thanks a lot |
| 11:51.57 | suborbital | radeon from debian ? |
| 11:52.06 | tim_flatus | suborbital: yes |
| 11:52.36 | Sevet | dekroning: you'll want resolvconf installed for dns-nameservers |
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| 11:52.44 | suborbital | debian only packages opensource drivers - id really look at a spare mouse if u have one |
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| 11:54.16 | simonlnu | in main anyway. there's non-free installers packaged... |
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| 11:54.40 | tim_flatus | suborbital: not sure I do. Have screwdriver & lint brush tho' ;-) |
| 11:54.54 | jokerdino | ChrisH: sorry for the delay. i just aborted the install and cleaned up the mess. i'll try it another time.. :/ |
| 11:55.36 | suborbital | hmm well make sure there are no kinks in the wire and clean he optics i suppose |
| 11:55.53 | suborbital | s/he/the |
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| 11:56.59 | tim_flatus | Yegods! great lumps of fluff. |
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| 11:58.44 | ksuhku | lol |
| 11:59.00 | simonlnu | fluffs tim_flatus |
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| 12:00.22 | Gargantua | What's a mouse anyway? |
| 12:00.29 | Gargantua | Is that like a 2 button keyboard? |
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| 12:01.20 | gry | oh yes, it can also see how it moves (unlike a keyboard) |
| 12:01.26 | gry | grins |
| 12:01.52 | blackswan | i had a question, but getting ready to ask it in a sensible way answered it. thanks. |
| 12:02.11 | gry | sounds like a good start :) |
| 12:03.06 | tim_flatus | Gargantua: Debian has made me lazy; I haven't had to touch a config since Sarge |
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| 12:03.53 | Gargantua | blackswan: almost as good as when you ask a question and the lightbulb flashes as soon as you press enter. |
| 12:04.25 | blackswan | now i have a real question: how do i set the keyboard shortcuts for "move to workspace N" for N > 4 on wheezy |
| 12:04.41 | ectospasm | blackswan: not enough input |
| 12:04.42 | blackswan | there's some arcane incantation |
| 12:04.43 | gry | what desktop environment are you using? |
| 12:04.46 | blackswan | gnome |
| 12:04.53 | ectospasm | blackswan: what window manager are you using... |
| 12:04.55 | blackswan | metacity |
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| 12:04.58 | ectospasm | blackswan: which gnome |
| 12:05.00 | blackswan | gnome classic |
| 12:05.07 | ectospasm | gnome3 classic? |
| 12:05.11 | blackswan | yes. sorry. |
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| 12:05.21 | ectospasm | gsettings and/or dconf-editor |
| 12:05.28 | Gargantua | ,v gnome |
| 12:05.30 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.0+9; sid: 1:3.4+1 |
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| 12:05.53 | suborbital | ctrlshift workspace |
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| 12:06.04 | suborbital | i use strl shift s to stick |
| 12:06.06 | suborbital | ctrl |
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| 12:06.18 | suborbital | but i dont use a DE |
| 12:07.45 | ectospasm | I use XMonad in GNOME 3 Classic |
| 12:07.56 | abrotman | blackswan: ctrl-up/down |
| 12:08.06 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. i use gnome-shell |
| 12:08.08 | blackswan | i don't want next/previous, i want go to N |
| 12:08.30 | blackswan | if i type |
| 12:08.42 | Gargantua | ectospasm: you are an evil man. |
| 12:08.47 | blackswan | gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings switch-to-workspace-1 |
| 12:08.51 | blackswan | it says "@as []" |
| 12:08.54 | blackswan | what does this mean? |
| 12:09.06 | blackswan | how do i get it to show me the keybindings? |
| 12:09.43 | blackswan | what's a serialised GVariant? |
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| 12:10.11 | suborbital | err win key + shift workpace # |
| 12:10.26 | suborbital | most non-de's work that way |
| 12:10.26 | ectospasm | Gargantua: I put in the effort, now I reap the benefits (-; |
| 12:10.37 | suborbital | something win8 figured out |
| 12:10.52 | blackswan | and where the hell did all my windows just go? |
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| 12:11.38 | suborbital | cwm i can hide a window with alt-return |
| 12:12.01 | suborbital | and use ms-1 on a free space to recover |
| 12:12.20 | blackswan | ah. never mind. |
| 12:12.25 | blackswan | pebcak |
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| 12:15.51 | ksuhku | blackswan, I think that @as means default, not much use for you |
| 12:16.42 | blackswan | it was because i had set the wrong keybindings that i wasn't seeing the keybindings i thought i had set |
| 12:16.47 | blackswan | it's fixed now. |
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| 12:17.08 | blackswan | and it probably does mean default |
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| 12:35.51 | suborbital | yea 3rd |
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| 12:55.54 | ksuhku | is /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh is stable? |
| 12:56.16 | netecho | what package is mkisofs part of? |
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| 12:56.33 | nkuttler | !search |
| 12:56.34 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
| 12:56.52 | ksuhku | i'm not at my debian now... |
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| 13:01.02 | sonic | win 13 |
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| 13:02.25 | wZ | pfrt, i'm trying to setup unattended updates and get a IOError: [Errno 25] Inappropriate ioctl for device in my logfiles :/ |
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| 13:06.43 | abrotman | !tell ksuhku about apt-file |
| 13:06.47 | abrotman | !tell netecho about apt-file |
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| 13:07.46 | ksuhku | abrotman, my file is obviously from the libdvdread4 package, that was not my question |
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| 13:09.11 | ksuhku | thanks for the lack of help |
| 13:09.52 | whomee_ | 2 |
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| 13:11.08 | abrotman | and he left .. yay |
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| 13:11.12 | abrotman | that's a sure way to get help |
| 13:11.40 | Lachezar | Hello colleagues. I seem to have a defected disk in Hardware RAID. What tools can I use to confirm? |
| 13:12.02 | abrotman | depends on your controller |
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| 13:15.01 | milo_ | is it safe to delete /var/cache/apt/archives? It is space wasting. |
| 13:15.18 | jelly | milo_: no. Run apt-get clean, instead |
| 13:15.41 | Lachezar | abrotman: 02:04.0 RAID bus controller: Compaq Computer Corporation Smart Array 64xx (rev 01) |
| 13:15.44 | jelly | milo_: that cleans up the *.deb contents |
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| 13:16.07 | jelly | Lachezar: hpacucli from HP themselves |
| 13:16.10 | abrotman | Lachezar: i'm sure CPQ has some CLI tools to give you more detail, i know HP does |
| 13:16.10 | milo_ | ah... great. :D |
| 13:16.18 | jelly | dpkg, tell Lachezar about proliant |
| 13:16.26 | Lachezar | jelly: That thing crashes on start up. |
| 13:16.28 | jelly | dpkg, tell Lachezar about proliant sources.list |
| 13:16.42 | abrotman | Lachezar: it appears to be the same tools |
| 13:16.44 | milo_ | and, is it safe to remove iceweasel? |
| 13:16.49 | jelly | Lachezar: which version of hpacucli do you have installed? |
| 13:16.50 | abrotman | milo_: safe in what way? |
| 13:17.00 | Lachezar | jelly: Like I said that think SIGSEGs at bootup :( |
| 13:17.03 | milo_ | ... |
| 13:17.15 | jelly | Lachezar: hpacucli does not start at bootup. |
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| 13:17.42 | wZ | anyone using unattended updates ? |
| 13:17.45 | abrotman | milo_: ... |
| 13:17.54 | milo_ | well... idk :P |
| 13:18.01 | Lachezar | jelly: /etc/init.d has: hp-asrd, hp-health, hpsmhd. Aren't they from the same pack? |
| 13:18.11 | jelly | Lachezar: some _other_ tools from the proliant support pack might do that, but hpacucli seems pretty safe. Which debian release do you have and which version of hpacucli? |
| 13:18.26 | Lachezar | jelly: I'm looking... |
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| 13:19.36 | Lachezar | jelly: wheezy/sid, hpacucli:8.60-8.0.3-3 |
| 13:19.44 | abrotman | Lachezar: google "hpacucli datadisk.co.uk" .. should have some basics to get you going |
| 13:20.07 | jelly | Lachezar: I have this on squeeze: ii hpacucli 8.70-8.0.2-2 HP Command Line Array Configuration Utility |
| 13:20.18 | jelly | Lachezar: why are you running testing or sid on a server? |
| 13:20.43 | colo-work | is anyone in here using munin (the server-side component) from squeeze-backports, and can share his/her experiences about it? |
| 13:20.47 | jelly | Lachezar: what does "lsb_release -sc" say on your machine? |
| 13:20.50 | Lachezar | jelly: Because the stable is too outdated around Java. |
| 13:21.15 | Lachezar | jelly: lsb_release -sc: wheezy |
| 13:22.02 | jelly | Lachezar: install newer hpacucli, see whether it fails as well |
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| 13:22.31 | abrotman | and the java in wheezy/sid has no security support |
| 13:22.56 | Lachezar | jelly: This is not crashing... I am trying to use it now... Says no controllers found though :( |
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| 13:23.41 | milo_ | announce: If you don't like iceweasel or empipathy but want firefox. Use Chromium instead. It's so cool. :D |
| 13:24.26 | jelly | Lachezar: huh. how old is that machine? |
| 13:24.48 | Lachezar | jelly: *PRETTY* old. |
| 13:25.18 | Lachezar | jelly: 2k5 or 2k6, can't remember that far back. |
| 13:25.30 | jelly | Lachezar: which brand and model is it? |
| 13:26.02 | jelly | Lachezar: dmidecode|grep 'Product Name:' |
| 13:26.08 | Lachezar | jelly: ProLiant DL385 G1 |
| 13:26.54 | jelly | Lachezar: that's the first gen opteron 2u proliant, something like DL380 G3 on the intel side, pretty old... SCSI 3.5" disks? |
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| 13:27.20 | Lachezar | jelly: it's currently a developers' server, so it's not mission critical, but I'd like to find out how to manage it without restarting into iLO. SAS... |
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| 13:28.09 | jelly | Lachezar: while iLO has a web interface, I'm not sure that machine will list disks states in there |
| 13:28.43 | jelly | Lachezar: dunno, try an older or a newer hpacucli |
| 13:28.48 | Lachezar | jelly: I normally boot up the remote console and use BIOS and stuff :( |
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| 13:29.05 | abrotman | there's no proc to look at ? |
| 13:29.13 | jelly | proc? |
| 13:29.25 | abrotman | i meant /proc |
| 13:29.32 | abrotman | the binary goes right to the controller? |
| 13:29.38 | jelly | as far as I know, yeah |
| 13:29.51 | jelly | cciss driver is very special |
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| 13:30.05 | abrotman | Lachezar: what command did you use to list the drives on that box ? |
| 13:30.32 | milo_ | who is jessie? |
| 13:30.40 | jelly | !jessie |
| 13:30.40 | dpkg | The release following wheezy will be called "jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html |
| 13:30.43 | abrotman | the next release after wjeezy |
| 13:31.13 | milo_ | lol... i thought it was "sid" |
| 13:31.24 | abrotman | sid doesn't release |
| 13:31.36 | milo_ | -.- |
| 13:31.46 | Lachezar | abrotman: hpacucli ctrl all show status: Error: No controllers detected. |
| 13:31.50 | milo_ | !sid |
| 13:31.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 13:32.01 | abrotman | milo_: please msg the bot |
| 13:32.54 | Lachezar | abrotman: lspci | grep RAID: 02:04.0 RAID bus controller: Compaq Computer Corporation Smart Array 64xx (rev 01) |
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| 13:35.51 | gry | probably it's an available package? |
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| 13:36.43 | Lachezar | Ugh! What does this mean: INFO: rcu_bh detected stall on CPU 2 (t=0 jiffies) |
| 13:36.49 | milo_ | oho gry! :D |
| 13:37.11 | antivirtel | Hi! |
| 13:37.13 | antivirtel | I'm planning to encrypt a disc with LUKS. I'm wondering if the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 in 128 bits will provide me enough security today, or may I upgrade to 256 bits or other cipher? |
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| 13:37.47 | evil-man | Lachezar: this means bug in kernel or something like. |
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| 13:38.39 | milo_ | i thought there was 512 |
| 13:38.44 | milo_ | bits |
| 13:38.50 | darkschneider | hello, someone can enlighten on the difference between wine and wine-bin packages? i can't spot any in the description |
| 13:38.51 | wolf29 | Good morning. I am trying to update bios on a HP server and the scexe file says I am missing several dependencies. It is a script downloaded for a squeeze box but HP doesn't recognize Debian. Should I find a Fedora live-disk and try to do the install from that platform? |
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| 13:39.14 | abrotman | wolf29: might help us to tell you what it says it's missing |
| 13:39.21 | abrotman | darkschneider: is one a metapackage? |
| 13:39.38 | darkschneider | i checked, but both looks like real packages (not virtual) |
| 13:39.44 | Shadow` | woohoo, another server here i can migrate from ubuntu to debian... die ubuntu die |
| 13:39.46 | milo_ | darkschneider, go for wine. |
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| 13:40.24 | milo_ | battery low D: |
| 13:40.25 | darkschneider | milo_: that a good point, i always gone for that, but i waned to put reasoning in my choice |
| 13:40.30 | milo_ | bye... |
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| 13:41.00 | milo_ | darkschneider, well... i suspect that "wine" will also install "wine-bin" and other packages to complete it. |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | darkschneider: they're not the same .. did you read the descriptions ? |
| 13:41.04 | milo_ | that's my reason |
| 13:41.07 | milo_ | bye |
| 13:41.13 | abrotman | shuchks .. |
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| 13:41.44 | boudiccas | is there no way to lock the screen in xfce please? i need it urgently as i have to go out in the next 5 minutes! |
| 13:41.51 | wolf29 | abrotman: It is a HP proliant dl165 g7, and says it is missing pushd, popd and libstdc++.so.6 |
| 13:41.54 | jelly | wolf29: it's easier to get and boot the firmware cd |
| 13:41.58 | darkschneider | abrotman: sorry, i did, but i must have missed the point, if you can point the thing out i will feel a bit stupid, but at least understand my error |
| 13:42.02 | gry | boudiccas, xflock4 |
| 13:42.03 | abrotman | wolf29: wrong architecture? |
| 13:42.11 | darkschneider | abrotman: and thanks naturally :) |
| 13:42.26 | gry | boudiccas, (possibly add a launcher somewhere if it works) |
| 13:42.40 | abrotman | darkschneider: wine depends on wine-bin and a lot of other packages |
| 13:42.43 | darkschneider | boudiccas: open a shell ans lunch a screensaver program |
| 13:42.47 | wolf29 | jelly: I will try that. |
| 13:42.59 | Lachezar | evil-man: Can I do anything about that? |
| 13:43.15 | darkschneider | abrotman: mmm i think i missed to see it correctly... mmm thanks |
| 13:43.16 | DerPate | boudiccas look for the x-screnlock thingy this should work |
| 13:43.44 | gry | boudiccas, (are you alive still?) |
| 13:43.50 | wolf29 | abrotman: Yes probably. The script is for a RHEL platform. easy is what I am looking for. |
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| 13:44.08 | Lachezar | boudiccas: CTRL-ALT-DEL commonly locks the screen in XFCE. |
| 13:44.14 | wolf29 | Thanks jelly, abrotman |
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| 13:44.40 | abrotman | wolf29: that's not what i meant |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | wolf29: is it a script or a binary? |
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| 13:45.18 | jelly | abrotman: it's a self-extract script that checks for some stuff, unpacks and runs a binary |
| 13:45.26 | wolf29 | abrotman: it is a script with a silly extension. (scexe) |
| 13:45.57 | wolf29 | jelly: thanks, that's what I meant. |
| 13:46.00 | jelly | abrotman, wolf29: you _can_ unpack the tarball yourself and run it but it's a bit annoying |
| 13:46.21 | jelly | don't remember whether it was a tarball or a rpm or what inside |
| 13:46.34 | netecho | is there a good GUI frontend for burning to DVD available in aptitude? |
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| 13:46.52 | wolf29 | jelly: I have had several days of annoying with this server |
| 13:47.09 | jelly | wolf29: best to get the latest firmware cd and let it do its thing |
| 13:47.24 | jelly | it's a bit slow to boot over iLO but it works |
| 13:47.24 | milo64 | darkschneider, did that help? I just had to connect to an adapter... |
| 13:47.34 | wolf29 | burning a dvd and running a bootable updatersounds like much more fun. |
| 13:47.36 | evil-man | Lachezar: try to build more new kernel. |
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| 13:48.42 | darkschneider | milo64: yeah, my fault i totally failed to spot that wine id a "bigger" package set |
| 13:48.55 | milo64 | yes |
| 13:49.01 | jelly | wolf29: amusing thing: if you have a rhel or centor installation, you can mount and run the cdrom, and then it magically gets INTERNET capabilities ands gets the very latest updates from HP's ftp site |
| 13:49.10 | darkschneider | now i'm back hunting how to have multiarch work. thanks. |
| 13:49.12 | jelly | centos* |
| 13:49.18 | milo64 | darkschneider, and i don't think wine-bin will install the complete wine software... |
| 13:49.32 | ChrisH | netecho: I use k3b |
| 13:49.54 | netecho | ChrisH: I'll check it out thanks :) |
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| 13:50.10 | wolf29 | Why not for Debian/Ubuntu, I wonder. |
| 13:50.13 | Gargantua | jelly: lol |
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| 13:51.20 | milo64 | Ian Murdock (August 1993 – March 1996), founder of the Debian Project << Why did he quit? :( |
| 13:51.21 | jelly | Gargantua: it's weird, I haven't seen the capability advertised anywhere |
| 13:51.32 | jelly | milo64: why do you ask? |
| 13:51.33 | wolf29 | looooves hardware issues. |
| 13:51.40 | milo64 | jelly, curious |
| 13:51.47 | jelly | milo64: had better things to do |
| 13:52.01 | milo64 | :( |
| 13:52.02 | milo64 | ok |
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| 14:03.55 | sagat | bom dia |
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| 14:04.01 | sagat | alguem ai fala portugues |
| 14:04.05 | sagat | rsrs |
| 14:04.12 | milo64 | O_o |
| 14:04.25 | dkr | !br |
| 14:04.25 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:04.34 | sagat | obrigado |
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| 14:07.28 | jrgill | Does stop/waiting indicate a service is running according to Debian init? |
| 14:08.40 | netecho | how do I force a CD drive to eject? I just burnt an image and now it won't eject |
| 14:08.54 | netecho | nm |
| 14:08.56 | netecho | found it |
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| 14:18.38 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I am running debian 6.0 and I am facing a problem with sudo. Whenever I type any command with sudo, I get an error saying "cannot get working directory" |
| 14:18.51 | milo64 | ooh |
| 14:19.23 | milo64 | arvind_khadri, are you sure its "cannot get working directory"? |
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| 14:19.48 | arvind_khadri | milo64, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade sudo: cannot get working directory |
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| 14:20.03 | arvind_khadri | milo64, and also this sh: getcwd() failed: No such file or directory |
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| 14:20.18 | milo64 | arvind_khadri, try simple command: sudo ls |
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| 14:20.36 | arvind_khadri | milo64, same |
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| 14:20.53 | petemc | arvind_khadri: have you tried changing directory? |
| 14:20.57 | milo64 | oh... sorry. can't help you... |
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| 14:21.04 | arvind_khadri | petemc, to what? |
| 14:21.11 | petemc | anything |
| 14:21.14 | petemc | type cd |
| 14:21.32 | arvind_khadri | petemc, as sudo right? |
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| 14:21.35 | petemc | no |
| 14:21.38 | milo64 | no |
| 14:21.40 | milo64 | don't |
| 14:21.47 | milo64 | because it won't work :P |
| 14:22.02 | arvind_khadri | milo64, I know, that is why confirmed :) |
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| 14:22.20 | arvind_khadri | milo64, cd works fine, but commands with sudo have a problem |
| 14:22.28 | milo64 | ah... |
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| 14:23.01 | petemc | arvind_khadri: what does echo $PWD print? |
| 14:23.25 | arvind_khadri | petemc, the working directory |
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| 14:25.36 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: and that would be ? |
| 14:25.50 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, my home, /home/arvind |
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| 14:26.55 | abrotman | arvind_khadri: can you su either ? |
| 14:27.02 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, oh wait, I found the problem. I had used sudo su - www-data |
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| 14:27.48 | abrotman | and it's home dir doesn't exist ? |
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| 14:28.41 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, I had set it in /etc/passwd |
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| 14:30.51 | arvind_khadri | abrotman, works fine now, maybe I had sudo'ed before setting the home, sorry for the ruckus |
| 14:31.24 | arvind_khadri | thanks petemc :) |
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| 14:34.07 | HideMe | Is there a way to have .NET on a Debian server? |
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| 14:35.17 | kwork | HideMe: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page |
| 14:35.56 | HideMe | thanks |
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| 14:37.49 | abrotman | himuraken: there are mono packages in Debian |
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| 14:40.58 | phix | Is there an attribute I set can which stops a file from being deleted but still allow writes? |
| 14:41.55 | julianoliver | what a good question. |
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| 14:44.03 | julianoliver | there's a chattr for this i think |
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| 14:47.52 | julianoliver | you could make the directory r-x but the file rw- |
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| 14:48.10 | julianoliver | alternatively you'll have to use Access Control Lists i think |
| 14:48.42 | julianoliver | http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions#Access_Control_Lists_in_Linux |
| 14:48.57 | \Jan | What stops someone from writing zeros over the file |
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| 14:50.00 | somiaj | yea if someone can write to a file the can effictivally delete it. |
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| 14:52.05 | Ryushin | I'm trying to find the specific mailing list for debian networking, more specifically, ipsec issues. Anyone know of a link that has all the debian mailing lists? I've tried googling it, but I've just found the main lists such as announce, development, users, etc. |
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| 14:54.03 | somiaj | Ryushin: I know I saw one on the wiki, one second |
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| 14:54.34 | Guest7914 | I've been attempting to use a net-cd (squeeze) for a new install. When scanning a mirror all 5-6 choices say that it is unavailable on this mirror.... any guesses? |
| 14:55.15 | oggei | do you have networking ? |
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| 14:55.25 | Guest7914 | oogei: I do, yes. |
| 14:55.30 | somiaj | Ryushin: http://lists.debian.org/ -- start there |
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| 14:55.50 | oggei | are you sure you have ? |
| 14:55.58 | Guest7914 | yes, able to ping gateway and outbound |
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| 14:56.13 | oggei | not from debian installer, as it lacks ping |
| 14:56.22 | oggei | or it has, now ? |
| 14:56.33 | Guest7914 | no it does not, attempted from another iso |
| 14:56.42 | Guest7914 | inside a vmware esx host |
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| 14:57.10 | oggei | switch to console 2 in debian installer and try to wget a site you know |
| 14:58.08 | Ryushin | somiaj: Yea, I was there. It's almost like all the specific individual lists have just been consolidated down to users. I didn't know if I was loosing my mind as I used to be subscribed to a half dozen specific lists. |
| 14:58.38 | Guest7914 | hrrm, oggei, thanks I'll look into it :D |
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| 15:00.08 | Ryushin | Okay, finally found it: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe |
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| 15:08.10 | Ryushin | Anyone really good at ipsec tunnels here? I have a really bizarre problem. |
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| 15:11.45 | awh_roc | Or should I burn a new CD-ROM ? |
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| 15:19.20 | Ejdesgaard | Hi, How can it be that redmine only is available in a ancient version(1.1) on wheezy? |
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| 15:20.32 | shadok | Ejdesgaard: wheezy is not stable, packagers don't have a big incentive today to package the "now stable" one I suppose |
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| 15:21.04 | Ryushin | Ejdesgaard: 1.4.4 in Sid. Expect the new version in the new stable in a few months. |
| 15:21.10 | Armand | Just looking at debian-6.0.5-i386-kde-cd-1.iso... do I need to download *all* the other images to perform the install to hard-drive? |
| 15:21.50 | Ryushin | Armand: I would just use the network install disc. |
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| 15:22.14 | shadok | Ejdesgaard: Ryushin , packages.debian.org gives me redmine 1.4.4 (http://packages.debian.org/testing/web/redmine) |
| 15:22.19 | Armand | I have a wired connection, so.. that will be ok for the rest ? |
| 15:22.38 | Ryushin | Armand: Yea, it should be. |
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| 15:23.06 | Ryushin | But for giggles, I just get the network install disc and use that for everything. |
| 15:23.26 | Ryushin | As long as I have a network connection that is. Nothing like installing a whole debian system from just five floppies. :) |
| 15:23.32 | LiDaR | yeah network install is the bomb |
| 15:23.36 | Ryushin | Heck, it used to be two floppies. |
| 15:23.47 | Armand | I have no FDD. :P |
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| 15:23.56 | Ryushin | Usb stick then. :) |
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| 15:24.05 | Armand | No USB boot, Toshiba laptop. -_- |
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| 15:24.13 | Ryushin | Heck, I remember my entire first linux distro was two floppies. |
| 15:24.33 | LiDaR | Ryushin, old fart |
| 15:24.44 | Armand | I recall installing DOS/Win3.11/Office from FDD.. >_< |
| 15:24.52 | Armand | Pardon my language.. |
| 15:25.21 | superstraw | first computer had 256k memory |
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| 15:25.26 | Armand | O_O |
| 15:25.27 | Ryushin | Armand: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 15:25.39 | Armand | I forget... but, it was an IBM XT I started out with |
| 15:25.56 | Ryushin | superstraw: First computer at 32KB and a tape cassette drive to store data. |
| 15:25.58 | Armand | I have it, thanks, Ryushin :) |
| 15:26.04 | superstraw | got me |
| 15:26.14 | superstraw | damn tape drives |
| 15:26.17 | LiDaR | my first computer was a commodore vic-20 |
| 15:26.18 | Armand | I had a CPC 464. :P |
| 15:26.19 | Ryushin | Floppy drive was awesome. All 192KB that it would store. |
| 15:26.20 | Armand | Yuk! |
| 15:26.35 | Armand | Excuse me.. my age is showing. *_* |
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| 15:27.19 | Ejdesgaard | shadok, thanks... I only found 1.1.2... |
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| 15:27.31 | julianoliver | c64 -> Amiga 500 -> Apple IIe (at school) -> SGI Onyx -> Intel |
| 15:27.41 | Ryushin | First computer I programmed on had a 110 baud modem to a main frame that my step dad used. Cobol for the masochistic. |
| 15:27.58 | julianoliver | Ryushin: i had to learn Cobol. ye gods. |
| 15:28.00 | Ryushin | Printed everything out on paper instead of a screen. Weighed a good 80lbs or so. |
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| 15:28.07 | shadok | Ejdesgaard: strange, did you aptitude update first ? |
| 15:28.09 | Armand | Now, sorry.. daft question, perhaps... but.. when it states "i386", will that run ok on a P3, or is it i686 that won't ? |
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| 15:28.36 | Ryushin | Armand: Yea, in fact that is exactly what you need. |
| 15:28.48 | Ryushin | Armand: No 64bit for you. |
| 15:28.53 | Armand | Fedora peeved me somewhat, as hardly anything would run right, as all the packages were actually i686 |
| 15:28.59 | Armand | Hardehar, Ryushin ... :P |
| 15:29.13 | Armand | 512MB hardly warrants 64bit.. |
| 15:29.14 | Armand | lol |
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| 15:29.20 | Ejdesgaard | shadok, no, I just googled... I have a squeeze server running redmine-1.0 and wanted to find out if I could get 1.4 or maybe even 2.0 by upgrading |
| 15:29.28 | shadok | Armand: you can go back as far as the first celeron/pentium pro with a i686 |
| 15:29.46 | Ryushin | All 60mhz of it. |
| 15:29.53 | Armand | shadok, it would only run CLI on Fedora.. nothing else would run. |
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| 15:30.03 | shadok | Ejdesgaard: ok, packages.debian.org is the only way to go :) |
| 15:30.23 | Ejdesgaard | shadok, it's bookmarked now :) |
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| 15:30.46 | shadok | Armand: that could come from drivers which have been deprecated and removed from the kernel, maybe |
| 15:30.52 | shadok | Ejdesgaard: :) |
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| 15:31.46 | Armand | shadok, possibly.. someone did suggest that the packages were compiled for SSE2 compat. >_< |
| 15:32.14 | shadok | oh, it can be too, didn't think about that |
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| 15:36.19 | Armand | burning now.. |
| 15:36.36 | cardamon | How do I tell a service to never run? |
| 15:36.44 | dkr | remove it |
| 15:36.52 | Armand | "Bad service! Bad, bad service!" |
| 15:36.59 | Armand | sorry.. ^_^ |
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| 15:37.40 | cardamon | I have a service I want run on a per user basis. |
| 15:37.51 | cardamon | But I need to tell it to stop running as a service. |
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| 15:38.09 | vedranm | hi guys |
| 15:38.22 | vedranm | has anyone here gotten LXC to work on wheezy/sid? |
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| 15:38.51 | dkr | !tell cardamon about update-rc.d |
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| 15:46.51 | pmade | Is the rxvt-unicode package changing the default setting of letter spacing? Forcing urxvt to use 0 for letter spacing gives me what I expect, and 0 is suppose to be the default, but doesn't appear to be so. |
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| 15:58.00 | Delemas | hi I realize it is obsolete but I need a Debian Etch installer to work. All the mirrors seem to have dropped the files and BT, which I can't use at work, seems to be only download option to get a full DVD. Can anyone point me to some kind of archive apt repository for etch? |
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| 15:59.55 | Delemas | Doh! I just found the answer. Sorry for the noise. |
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| 16:05.06 | porton | "There is no maintainer for acroread. This means that this package no longer exists (or never existed). Please do not report new bugs against this package. " Why acroread isn't supported? It is a very important package! |
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| 16:06.09 | frikinz | Is it? |
| 16:06.18 | porton | frikinz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?dist=unstable;package=acroread |
| 16:06.18 | frikinz | I use okular in kde |
| 16:06.31 | porton | frikinz: Does okular have search? |
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| 16:06.42 | porton | frikinz: Personally I prefer acroread |
| 16:07.11 | dondelelcaro | porton: okular and evince both have search |
| 16:07.20 | dondelelcaro | porton: acrocread isn't free software, so we can't support it anyway |
| 16:07.34 | porton | dondelelcaro: But what about the Iceweasel plugin? |
| 16:07.39 | dondelelcaro | porton: what about it? |
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| 16:07.41 | berarma | !tell porton about acroread |
| 16:07.47 | berarma | porton: I prefer evince |
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| 16:08.22 | porton | Can okular/evince serve as a plugin in Iceweasel? |
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| 16:09.00 | dondelelcaro | porton: why would you need it to? just view the pdf in a new window. |
| 16:09.28 | porton | dondelelcaro: So do you recommend to deinstall mozilla-acroread? |
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| 16:09.51 | dondelelcaro | porton: personally, yes. |
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| 16:11.27 | porton | dondelelcaro: I deinstalled mozilla-acroread but see PDF inside an Iceweasel window anyway (Yes, I have restarted Iceweasel) |
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| 16:12.17 | dondelelcaro | porton: then the plugin is probably still there. see about:plugins for details |
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| 16:13.11 | porton | I see no "acroread" in about:plugins but it loads inside the browser window. What kind of wonder is it? |
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| 16:13.50 | dondelelcaro | if you have nothing that lists application/pdf or text/pdf as its mime type, then something odd is going on. But I doubt it. |
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| 16:14.43 | porton | dondelelcaro: I have a map from PDF mime types to "PDF file" but see no app associated with it |
| 16:15.00 | melik | hello everyone, how can i tell if ipv6 is enabled in my kernel? |
| 16:15.58 | melik | i know SLAAC is able to autoconfigure regardless ipv6 being enabled or not in the kernel; i am having trouble pinging my ipv6 address from a remote machine |
| 16:16.15 | melik | and i wanted to know if ipv6 is enabled |
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| 16:17.37 | porton | How to make it not open PDF inside a browser window? |
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| 16:18.03 | jordanm | melik: grep 'CONFIG_IPV6' /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:18.46 | frikinz | porton: did you go in settings in iceweasel? then applications and select for pdf okular to associate mimtype to app |
| 16:18.48 | dondelelcaro | porton: uh... where? |
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| 16:19.09 | frikinz | hum /proc/config.gz not there for 3.4 debian kernel. |
| 16:19.35 | Zelator | does anyone know how to solve problem of having no sound since kernel 3.2? |
| 16:19.43 | jelly | frikinz: no, config's provided in /boot/config-* |
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| 16:19.45 | melik | jordanm, does this show whats compiled in the kernel? |
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| 16:20.04 | frikinz | jelly: that's recent or my memory is again failing. I like having it in /proc |
| 16:20.14 | jordanm | frikinz: that is only there when CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC is set |
| 16:20.15 | Owner | porton~# disable the extension/plugin in your browser settings |
| 16:20.33 | jelly | frikinz: grab some ginkgo if you remember where you left it |
| 16:20.38 | jordanm | melik: that's the configuration options that were used to build the kernel package |
| 16:20.38 | frikinz | jordanm: flag which doesnt exist on my 3.4 |
| 16:20.54 | frikinz | exists, not "unset" |
| 16:21.08 | frikinz | security feature maybe :) |
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| 16:21.21 | jordanm | frikinz: http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/IKCONFIG.html |
| 16:21.31 | jordanm | frikinz: according to that, it exists in 3.4 and 3.6 |
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| 16:22.16 | jordanm | oh, _PROC was removed perhaps? The description appears to be the same |
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| 16:22.27 | frikinz | ah IKCONFIG_PROC is dependent on IKCONFIG. ok and IKCONFIG not set. annoying |
| 16:22.39 | frikinz | # CONFIG_IKCONFIG is not set |
| 16:23.01 | jordanm | its not needed when kernels are built with debian's kernel-package |
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| 16:24.39 | berarma | melik: do you have /proc/sys/net/ipv6/? |
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| 16:29.20 | Owner | john_barleycorn~# hello! |
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| 16:30.10 | john_barleycorn | hi Owner |
| 16:30.18 | Owner | hi! |
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| 16:32.30 | melik | berarma, |
| 16:32.31 | melik | i do |
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| 16:32.59 | berarma | melik: I think that means your kernel supports IPv6 |
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| 16:48.05 | ttvx | I have very high io and kswapd0 constantly in state D even though I don't use swap atm. What could be the problem? |
| 16:50.30 | Owner | ttvx~# what is the problem? |
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| 16:51.12 | ttvx | I can't use the computer because of the high io |
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| 16:53.42 | gnarface | ttvx: you can find out what is causing the IO with iotop |
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| 16:54.22 | ttvx | gnarface: nearly every program is making io for some reason |
| 16:54.56 | gnarface | ttvx: well if for some reason you're using all physical memory, then it may be using swap... |
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| 16:55.34 | ttvx | gnarface: I'm not using swap currently |
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| 16:55.46 | gnarface | ttvx: that would be even worse |
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| 16:57.31 | arthurdent | is there an irc channel where I can get support for winbind? |
| 16:58.01 | gnarface | dpkg, winbind? |
| 16:58.03 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, gnarface |
| 16:58.23 | arthurdent | :( |
| 16:58.29 | ttvx | gnarface: ok but what is every program writing if not swap |
| 16:58.38 | arthurdent | dpkg: pam? |
| 16:58.39 | dpkg | pam is probably the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://web.archive.org/web/20110721105843/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM System Administrators' Guide: http://web.archive.org/web/20110613030734/http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html |
| 16:58.57 | gnarface | ttvx: i dunno, stuff? |
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| 16:59.25 | LiDaR | ttvx: you should always set up swap even if its just a small partition |
| 16:59.25 | ttvx | would be great to know |
| 16:59.28 | gnarface | ttvx: EVERY program really? have you run iotop? |
| 16:59.49 | ttvx | yes but my computer is even more locked up after i enable swap |
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| 17:00.11 | gnarface | maybe you should shut some programs off? |
| 17:00.18 | gnarface | or just the one using up all the memory... |
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| 17:00.58 | LiDaR | just regular top will probably show one hammering away on the cpu |
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| 17:02.09 | ttvx | i have currently 76/122MB ram usage so there should be some free ram to use |
| 17:02.30 | LiDaR | ttvx: lol |
| 17:03.00 | LiDaR | you only have 122 mb of ram and you wonder why your having slowness ? |
| 17:03.16 | arthurdent | whoa |
| 17:03.27 | gnarface | ttvx: i am concerned that your diagnosis may be inaccurate. have you run iotop to find out if all programs are in fact doing what you think? |
| 17:03.32 | ttvx | 640k should be enough |
| 17:03.34 | arthurdent | is this like a raspberry pi or something? |
| 17:03.42 | Max^ | :D:D:D |
| 17:03.48 | Max^ | 640k :D:D:D |
| 17:04.22 | LiDaR | ttvx: are you running x also ? |
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| 17:04.34 | ttvx | i have htop with IORR and IOWR columns |
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| 17:04.47 | ttvx | no i don't run X |
| 17:05.02 | LiDaR | ttvx: thank goodness ~ |
| 17:05.33 | gnarface | i've run X just fine with 40MB of ram |
| 17:05.46 | gnarface | and without the "constant IO" problem ttvx describes |
| 17:05.51 | gnarface | on a pentium 75 |
| 17:06.28 | gnarface | not much else (iceweasel is useless) |
| 17:06.51 | ttvx | arthurdent: it's seagate dockstar |
| 17:06.56 | gnarface | ttvx: what ELSE weird have you done to this thing? and what version of debian? |
| 17:07.12 | Bernat | ttvx: I guess the remaining ram is being used for buffers/cache |
| 17:07.38 | LiDaR | ill be back in a bit |
| 17:08.00 | ttvx | no it's not used for some reason |
| 17:08.13 | ttvx | this is debian wheezy |
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| 17:08.53 | Bernat | ttvx: what's the output of "free -h"? |
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| 17:09.17 | ttvx | Mem: 122M 82M 39M 0B 552K 5,7M |
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| 17:10.45 | Bernat | ttvx: maybe it's just that you have a slow hdd |
| 17:10.47 | _Sam-- | hi, im currently planning a project to deploy an esata direct attached storage unit to a debian squeeze server. im just doing the research and budget, but i was not able to find a list of supported esata hardware (cards) for debian squeeze. i want to make sure i dont screw up, anyone have experience? |
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| 17:11.15 | frikinz | or that the dma settings in bios are wrong |
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| 17:12.05 | ttvx | would be odd because i have ran this system for two years without problem |
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| 17:14.06 | frikinz | ttvx: did you try a fsck -n / |
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| 17:15.21 | martianlobster | is there a command like which for shared libraries, which will tell me which shared library is used? |
| 17:15.37 | ttvx | no, i will try now |
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| 17:17.08 | frikinz | ttvx: also free space on the hd is important. 80% is a max for me. after this, I've verified that performance greatly decrease. |
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| 17:19.13 | frikinz | martianlobster: grep "\.so" /proc/[1-9]*/maps | awk '{print $NF}' | sort | uniq |
| 17:19.32 | arthulia | maybe make that into an alias |
| 17:19.34 | frikinz | not really a command, more a weird thing |
| 17:19.44 | martianlobster | hmm |
| 17:19.47 | martianlobster | ok |
| 17:19.49 | martianlobster | thanks |
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| 17:20.14 | acx0 | is there a command similar to 'dpkg --search <file-pattern>' that queries all known debian packages for a file, rather than just those locally installed? |
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| 17:20.36 | ttvx | frikinz: there's lot of free space :) |
| 17:20.37 | Dagger2 | acx0: apt-file |
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| 17:21.08 | acx0 | Dagger2: thanks |
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| 17:21.19 | frikinz | ttvx: time to verify your backups ;) |
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| 17:21.57 | frikinz | ttvx: and inspect dmesg, /var/log if you haven't done this yet |
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| 17:22.22 | cardamon | Having troulble with mpd. http://paste.debian.net/186074/ |
| 17:22.23 | arthulia | any masochists want to help me with a winbind problem? |
| 17:22.23 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:22.41 | arthulia | I can see users with wbinfo -u, but i can't id any user or login as any user |
| 17:22.49 | DexterF | how do I disable starting X while it is installed? I want to keep it for testing cases but not run it by default |
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| 17:24.07 | cardamon | /var/lib/mpd/mpd.db is the db_file. And I don't know what that bind nosense is. It's set to bind localhost in my conf. |
| 17:24.41 | frikinz | DexterF: remove link to your session manager in /etc/init.d/ ? SXXgdm/kdm/ ? |
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| 17:25.23 | frikinz | cardamon: it means the endpoint IP:port is already in use. probably you have several mpd started ? |
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| 17:26.02 | arthulia | DexterF: mv /etc/rc2.d/gdm3 /etc/rc2.d/.gdm3 (or maybe just gdm on your system) |
| 17:26.04 | frikinz | cardamon: isnt't mpd a service? /etc/init.d/mpd restart ? |
| 17:26.07 | arthulia | then do the opposite to change it back |
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| 17:27.14 | Bernat | DexterF: you have to disable the autostart of your DM or uninstall it |
| 17:27.38 | Bernat | DexterF: for gdm3 you can do it with "update-rc.d gdm3 disable 2" |
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| 17:28.10 | DexterF | ah, that's the kind of procedure I was lookign for. |
| 17:28.12 | DexterF | thanks |
| 17:28.17 | arthulia | DexterF: sorry /etc/rc2.d/S20gdm3 is what i meant |
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| 17:28.32 | kjack | Hello, Debian doesn't support my routers firmware, what should I do? |
| 17:28.58 | DexterF | kjack: you mean you run debian as a router? |
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| 17:29.36 | arthulia | do you mean you're trying to run debian on your router? |
| 17:29.52 | kjack | DexterF: No, I can't connect to the internet using Debian. |
| 17:30.29 | kjack | I think it doesn't recognise my network card for some reason. |
| 17:30.48 | arthulia | that almost certainly doesn't have to do with your router firmware, that would be astonishing |
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| 17:31.28 | cardamon | frikinz: It's not. And it can be run on a per user basis. |
| 17:31.34 | cardamon | frikinz: Which is what I've done. |
| 17:31.58 | cardamon | ...this is weird. Iceweasel's not launching. Not console output either. |
| 17:32.27 | frikinz | cardamon: hum yes but there's only one mpd port 6600 for this IP.. |
| 17:33.11 | kjack | Debian doesn't support WPA?! |
| 17:33.14 | cardamon | frikinz: And yet there are no instances of it running. |
| 17:33.26 | DexterF | kjack: what brand and modell is that router and how is your debian box connected to it, wifi or network cable? |
| 17:34.20 | DexterF | kjack: debain does support wep, wpa, wpa2 and whatnot. it sounds your wifi card id the problem, not the router. what wifi card is that? |
| 17:34.37 | cardamon | Wifi rarely works out of the box becuase of requirements for non-free drivers. |
| 17:34.38 | kjack | DexterF: WiFi, my router is D-Link 2640R, WPA |
| 17:34.51 | cardamon | kjack: Your router doesn't matter. |
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| 17:34.57 | cardamon | It's not part of this equation. |
| 17:35.12 | kjack | How do I find out my network card? (I'm on Linux) |
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| 17:35.29 | cardamon | kjack: lspci -nn | grep [Nn]etwork |
| 17:35.44 | cardamon | Tell us the stuff in the brackets. |
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| 17:35.49 | DexterF | kjack: ..as root |
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| 17:36.19 | abrotman | don't need to be root |
| 17:36.26 | cardamon | DexterF: What? no. Not necessary. |
| 17:36.27 | kjack | DexterF: Not needed, works without |
| 17:36.42 | DexterF | is suprised |
| 17:36.43 | kjack | "04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01)" |
| 17:37.11 | cardamon | ,.[168c:002b] |
| 17:37.15 | cardamon | ... |
| 17:37.30 | cardamon | ,.pciid[168c:002b] |
| 17:37.30 | sney | ,pciid 168c:002b |
| 17:37.32 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath9k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 17:37.39 | sney | no dot, no brackets |
| 17:37.42 | cardamon | Ah, there we go. Thanks sney. |
| 17:38.00 | DexterF | ooh, neat bot feature |
| 17:38.08 | sney | atheros nics do not need firmware or anything out-of-tree |
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| 17:38.37 | kjack | sney: So why can't Debian recognise my router? |
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| 17:38.50 | cardamon | This is really disconcerted. Iceweasel isn't launching. I tried it from a terminal and it just moves to the next prompt. |
| 17:39.03 | boudiccas | i've installed slock to use as a screen locker in xfce under wheezy, and made a menu item for it, so now i'm all set up again. just in case someone wondered what the solution to a screenlocker under xfce was |
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| 17:39.11 | DexterF | kjack: read the wiki page. most likely you are missing something, if not it gives hints what do do to analyse |
| 17:39.16 | xgl | hi all |
| 17:39.24 | sney | kjack: if you run 'iwlist wlan0 scan' in a terminal, what do you see? (don't paste the whole output to this channel, if you want to paste somewhere use http://paste.debian.net/) |
| 17:40.43 | kjack | sney: http://pastebin.com/EPM4zf5t |
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| 17:41.31 | sney | kjack: is tt-wlan-home your AP's essid? |
| 17:41.44 | kjack | sney: Yes |
| 17:41.51 | sney | ok, then debian absolutely sees your router |
| 17:42.02 | sney | if you can't connect then you're just missing something else |
| 17:42.12 | kjack | Through Wifi? |
| 17:42.19 | DexterF | kjack: can you ping the router? |
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| 17:42.21 | kjack | sney: Btw, it's the installer that can't find it. |
| 17:42.54 | kjack | I'm redownloading the iso so I can try again. But a week ago it really couldn't find my router |
| 17:43.00 | sney | though wifi - yes, 'iwlist wlan0 scan' outputs the access points in range |
| 17:43.15 | sney | kjack: are you using wpa? the squeeze installer does not support wpa, though there are a few others that do |
| 17:43.21 | kjack | WPA |
| 17:43.25 | kjack | yes |
| 17:43.36 | kjack | I don't want to switch to WEP though.:( |
| 17:43.52 | sney | you don't have to. both the wheezy installer and the kmuto squeeze installer offer wpa support |
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| 17:44.06 | DexterF | kjack: I'd connect a cat5 cable if it's just for installation. |
| 17:44.21 | kjack | sney: But I want to use Squeeze not wheezy |
| 17:44.40 | sney | kjack: you seem to be really talented at only reading half of what people tell you |
| 17:45.03 | sney | kjack: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ as I said, the kmuto squeeze installer offers wpa support |
| 17:45.06 | kjack | I want to use an official Debian release, not use Kmuto |
| 17:45.13 | DexterF | then use cat5 |
| 17:45.24 | DexterF | ...or 6... |
| 17:45.44 | kjack | Okay I'll use Kmuto |
| 17:45.48 | sney | kmuto is Kenshi Muto, a debian developer, who made some customized installers for people with unusual install needs. It installs a normal Debian system and is fully supported here |
| 17:46.15 | Gentilhomme | hi |
| 17:46.30 | Gentilhomme | I cant get the switchable graphics to work on my debian |
| 17:46.30 | kjack | sney: they are all network installs, is that fine? Will it download the packages when I run the installer? |
| 17:46.55 | sney | kjack: yes, that's what the netinstall does |
| 17:47.10 | sney | Gentilhomme: is that optimus? |
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| 17:47.18 | Gentilhomme | hmm no |
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| 17:47.25 | Gentilhomme | I dont know what optimus is |
| 17:47.47 | cardamon | Leader of the autobots. |
| 17:47.52 | kjack | sney: Thank you much for your help; I've used basically all major distros and been wanting to use Debian for ages, now I can. :) |
| 17:47.53 | sney | optimus is some nvidia+intel switchable graphics that's available on some laptops. if you don't have it, then good, because it's not supported really |
| 17:47.59 | sney | kjack: no problem |
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| 17:49.05 | Gentilhomme | I have ati+intel |
| 17:49.28 | Gentilhomme | I used to use vgaswitcheroo with Fedora, but now with Debian it isn't there anymore |
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| 18:03.35 | cardamon | Ah, back up. |
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| 18:03.55 | waterratj | Whats the top bar in debian wheezy? |
| 18:04.07 | frikinz | Gentilhomme: sudo aticonfig --px-igpu ? I haven't managed myself but didn't search that much |
| 18:04.36 | abrotman | top bar ? |
| 18:04.41 | abrotman | in what? |
| 18:04.55 | waterratj | Debian wheezy desktop envorimenrt |
| 18:05.01 | abrotman | which DE ? Gnome3? |
| 18:05.08 | abrotman | what does the top bar say? |
| 18:05.10 | waterratj | the bar wich has activities in it |
| 18:05.11 | boudiccas | waterratj: gnome, xfce, what? |
| 18:05.28 | waterratj | when you click it get a list of installed apps |
| 18:05.29 | abrotman | waterratj: that's Gnome3 |
| 18:05.42 | waterratj | oke whats the name of the top ? so i can edit it? |
| 18:05.51 | abrotman | waterratj: if you click that, then type, you can find other aps ? |
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| 18:05.53 | abrotman | apps |
| 18:06.08 | waterratj | yes, its like the taskbar in windows |
| 18:06.25 | waterratj | holds username, sound icon, open windows, date |
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| 18:08.45 | waterratj | Need to know name of the bar so i can add stuff and all |
| 18:09.06 | boudiccas | waterratj: right click it and you should be able to edit it |
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| 18:09.16 | waterratj | there is no right click |
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| 18:09.32 | boudiccas | waterratj: qon your mouse |
| 18:09.35 | sney | it's normally called a panel |
| 18:09.49 | waterratj | yeah but need to know what panel so i can edit it and add menu entries |
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| 18:13.14 | Bernat | waterratj: gnome3 isn't gnome2 |
| 18:13.42 | Bernat | waterratj: you can install extensions from http://extensions.gnome.org to customize gnome-shell |
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| 18:19.02 | hellyeah | hey |
| 18:19.40 | hellyeah | if i use debian, is it possible to face with some suprises like not recognize hardware or smt |
| 18:20.45 | frikinz | hellyeah: its possible as with any distribution to get hardware badly or not recognized at all. |
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| 18:22.31 | bonks | Anyone know how to use screen with a non-root user? I get the error "Sorry, could not find a PTY." on Squeeze |
| 18:22.51 | hellyeah | i dont have problem with ubuntu |
| 18:23.03 | bonks | Me neither |
| 18:23.10 | bonks | But I'm using debian 6 |
| 18:23.14 | hellyeah | i am done with ubuntu. Ubuntu sucks |
| 18:23.14 | frikinz | same here since I uninstalled it |
| 18:23.26 | hellyeah | i give up using ubuntu |
| 18:23.31 | hellyeah | gave up* |
| 18:23.35 | frikinz | bonks: ls -lad /dev/pts ? |
| 18:23.36 | hellyeah | i want to pass debian |
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| 18:23.51 | hellyeah | bonks: what is your experience said about debian |
| 18:23.52 | bonks | frikinz: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Aug 28 10:38 /dev/pts |
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| 18:24.14 | mip_ | bonks: i use screen in squeeze, have not any problem |
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| 18:24.36 | bonks | mip_: as a non-root user? I can run it without a problem with root or sudo |
| 18:24.52 | hellyeah | sudo chroot or su |
| 18:24.58 | hellyeah | is it really differenc |
| 18:24.59 | hellyeah | is it really different |
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| 18:25.22 | frikinz | bonks: your user maybe needs to be part of tty group |
| 18:25.31 | mip_ | bonks: yes, non root and root |
| 18:26.00 | bonks | mip_: hmmm ? did you have to change anything? according to google I'm not the only one with the problem |
| 18:26.02 | frikinz | bonks: forget what I said |
| 18:26.10 | bonks | and I've tried just about every solution I could find |
| 18:26.12 | mip_ | bonks: there is not sudo in squeeze |
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| 18:26.43 | boudiccas | yes, there is. you just need to add yourself tp teh sudoers file |
| 18:26.53 | peterrooney | mip_: it is available, but is not necessarily part of a basic install. |
| 18:27.05 | blubberdiblub | bonks, are you logging in as root first and then switching user to non-root? |
| 18:27.05 | bonks | yeah, I added my non-root user to sudoers |
| 18:27.19 | bonks | blubberdiblub: nope, new shell and logging into non-root user |
| 18:27.21 | KZKG^Gaara | Hello. |
| 18:27.39 | frikinz | here /dev/pts/0: crw--w---- 1 user tty 136, 0 août 27 09:55 0 |
| 18:27.40 | format_c | hi |
| 18:28.55 | blubberdiblub | bonks, is login.defs correctly configured to set the ttys to the tty group? |
| 18:29.01 | KZKG^Gaara | I'm trying to format a USB but I cant do |
| 18:29.24 | KZKG^Gaara | I have to create a new partition table (because it is corrupted), but when trying to do so I have this error: |
| 18:29.34 | blubberdiblub | bonks, and/or /etc/default/devpts |
| 18:29.46 | KZKG^Gaara | "/dev/sdb: unrecognised disk label" |
| 18:30.11 | hellyeah | hey |
| 18:30.21 | KZKG^Gaara | Anyone can help me please? |
| 18:30.31 | bonks | frikinz, blubberdiblub: I added my non-root user to tty group and it seems to work! |
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| 18:30.50 | somiaj | you shouldn't need to do that bonks, something else is misconfigured in your system |
| 18:31.06 | somiaj | I can use screen just fine with out being in the tty group |
| 18:31.14 | bonks | hmm |
| 18:31.55 | bonks | blubberdiblub: TTYGROUP tty |
| 18:33.00 | frikinz | bonks: shouldn't be needed as I gave the perms before. unless you log in as root |
| 18:33.40 | bonks | /etc/default/devpts ... http://pastebin.com/RPEk0YcN |
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| 18:36.06 | nkuttler | what's commonly used for watching and (re)spawning services? |
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| 18:38.15 | qrostnia | op |
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| 18:39.27 | bonks | I don't know how else to fix this screen issue, but should it be safe to keep my user in the tty group? |
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| 18:40.48 | kjack | Hello, I tried to make a bootable USB for Debian, using both dd and Unetbootin, and both fail. Sometimes when I boot the USB it says that a file cannot be found, then launches back into my Fedora installation. |
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| 18:43.14 | kjack | Shall I try and download the .iso off of another computer, then put it on the USB? |
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| 18:43.47 | frikinz | bonks: and what is ls -la /dev/pts/0 (I gave my perms a few lines before) |
| 18:44.14 | bonks | crw--w---- 1 bonks tty 136, 0 Aug 28 11:29 /dev/pts/0 |
| 18:44.34 | bonks | looks just like yours |
| 18:44.36 | peterrooney | nkuttler: inittab, for one (respawn, third field) |
| 18:48.01 | peterrooney | bonks: odd query, what does "ls /dev/pts | wc -l" yeild? |
| 18:48.28 | frikinz | probably ls -la ? |
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| 18:48.59 | bonks | peterrooney: 5 |
| 18:49.01 | kjack | How do I find out the md5 checksum of a file in Linux? |
| 18:49.17 | mjessome | just did a fresh install on a laptop, and I have cpufrequtils running with the default ondemand governor. I'm not dropping below 70C on my i7. Any recommendations? |
| 18:49.24 | melik | kjack, |
| 18:49.28 | melik | md5sum FILE |
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| 18:49.45 | peterrooney | kjack: md5sum <file> |
| 18:49.47 | melik | d41d8cd98f00b204e98333998ecf8427e file.txt |
| 18:50.07 | kjack | ty |
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| 18:51.03 | frikinz | bonks: mount | grep pts |
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| 18:51.37 | bonks | frikinz: devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,mode=600,ptmxmode=000) |
| 18:52.06 | frikinz | bonks: hum I haev mode=620 |
| 18:52.20 | hellyeah | i will try debian |
| 18:52.22 | hellyeah | ubuntu sucks |
| 18:52.42 | bonks | frikinz: Maybe I should change mine to 620, how do I change it? |
| 18:52.43 | Max^ | :) |
| 18:52.48 | pzn | sysload is at 18 for hours. too high :-) however machine seems to be working ok, very light. the load increased after a network mounted CIFS partition became unavailable (many dmesg messages about cifs failed). now CIFS is ok, but the load still shows 18 at "uptime" command. how to solve this? |
| 18:52.52 | kjack | I tried to make a bootable USB for Debian, using both dd and Unetbootin, and both fail. Sometimes when I boot the USB it says that a file cannot be found, then launches back into my Fedora installation. |
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| 18:54.47 | acemi | kjack: do you mean debian install cd iso? |
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| 18:56.00 | frikinz | bonks: surprising as your /etc/default/pts has 620. called by init.d/mountdevusbfs.sh (here on my sid) |
| 18:56.06 | frikinz | bonks: I have no idea lol |
| 18:56.09 | kjack | acemi: Kmuto |
| 18:56.12 | abrotman | kjack: what happened to knyn? |
| 18:56.29 | kjack | The md5 checksum doesn't match |
| 18:56.39 | kjack | abrotman: Wanted a new username. :) |
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| 18:56.50 | frikinz | bonks: sudo /etc/init.d/mountdevusbfs.sh restart |
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| 18:57.25 | abrotman | kjack ban evasion is a network offense for which you can recieve a kline |
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| 18:58.21 | nkuttler | peterrooney: oh, didn't know about that, thanks |
| 19:00.00 | bonks | frikinz: sudo: /etc/init.d/mountdevusbfs.sh: command not found |
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| 19:00.30 | bonks | oh it's subfs |
| 19:00.32 | bonks | Error: argument 'restart' not supported |
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| 19:02.50 | frikinz | bonks: what debian is this? |
| 19:03.17 | bonks | 6 |
| 19:03.34 | bonks | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) |
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| 19:04.17 | Guest48709 | ciao |
| 19:04.21 | Guest48709 | !list |
| 19:04.21 | dpkg | guest48709: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
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| 19:14.39 | mmc1 | is there a way to "apt-get build-dep " for a (source) package which is not in the apt database, but is in a directory? |
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| 19:15.26 | thnee | shouldnt ~/.bashrc be read when logging in via ssh? I am sure this has worked before, now it's only reading ~/.bash_profile (i tested this by putting echo 'the filename' in each of them) |
| 19:16.29 | jordanm | mmc1: mk-build-deps |
| 19:17.17 | dondelelcaro | thnee: ssh spawns a login shell, not an interactive shell which is not a login shell |
| 19:17.38 | dondelelcaro | thnee: man bash; for details. |
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| 19:18.16 | dondelelcaro | (though honestly, there's generally little reason to disambiguate between login and non-login interactive shells; it's pretty common to source .bashrc from .bash_profile or just symlink the two together) |
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| 19:19.59 | frikinz | and now my .profile has a direct call to .bashrc (base-files 6.11) |
| 19:20.02 | thnee | dondelelcaro: yeah i have read the manual and it contradicts my findings.. i am absolutely certain that my .bashrc used to be read when logging (I had aliases there that worked when logging in via ssh, without typing 'bash' again) |
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| 19:20.17 | thnee | and I did not put source .bashrc in .bash_profile |
| 19:20.41 | thnee | then I installed rvm and something was changed.. |
| 19:20.56 | jordanm | thnee: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles |
| 19:21.31 | blubberdiblub | thnee, maybe you just didn't have ~/.bash_profile before (and .bashrc was sourced by .profile) and now you have it (and thus bash ignores ~/.profile) |
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| 19:25.18 | thnee | blubberdiblub: ah thanks! rvm had created .bash_login which stopped bash from reading .profile |
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| 19:27.05 | gotmynick | Someone knows any tool to "record the desktop" that makes "zoom in/out" to the mouse cursor" ? (like the jekins-debian-glue.org home video) |
| 19:27.21 | gotmynick | as far as I know istanbul and recordmydesktop doesn't do that |
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| 19:27.52 | jordanm | gotmynick: the zoom in/out might be from accesibility tools, and not the recorder itself |
| 19:27.56 | mmc1 | jordanm: hm, interesting. thanks. |
| 19:28.16 | gotmynick | ah! good tip, thanks jordanm |
| 19:28.54 | cardamon | I'm ssh'd into a machine with X forwarding and I want to open and application on the remotes display, so that I can keep it open after I close the shell |
| 19:30.00 | mmc1 | cardamon: I'd open another ssh connection, without shell, just to run that X app. |
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| 19:31.22 | cardamon | do you mean ssh? |
| 19:31.27 | cardamon | ... |
| 19:31.43 | cardamon | sorry, sluggish connection. Half finished thought. |
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| 19:40.23 | antivirtel | hello! Can I store the password for the device auto mounted by the /etc/crypttab encrypted? I don't want to allow someone to use a live disc to read the password from the file... |
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| 19:42.42 | blubberdiblub | antivirtel, you can store the password on a usb thumb drive and have a script automount and read that password |
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| 19:43.53 | antivirtel | blubberdiblub - the result is the same... the attacker can read the pw, if he's stolen the drive |
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| 19:44.15 | antivirtel | and also, I've to be there to put in that USB drive |
| 19:45.10 | blubberdiblub | antivirtel, well, it should be logical that you can't store the key on a device that is encrypted and that you first have to encrypt with that encrypted key. that's endless recursion |
| 19:45.34 | joegiampaoli | Anyone know how to fix this? https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B89XHw6WcgFvY2FuZWNzZVNYU2c This happens on some websites with firefox, which font would I be missing? Thanks! |
| 19:45.50 | blubberdiblub | antivirtel, a usb thumb drive is more secure than storing it readily available on the same drive. you can keep the usb thumb drive separate |
| 19:46.13 | frikinz | I have an encrypted luks disks and when I plug it in I am requested a pass. luks is fully integrated so not even needed a crypttab. also label make it mount always at the same place |
| 19:46.24 | antivirtel | if only the OS can decrypt the key blubberdiblub, it could auto mount it without me... but the attacker cant access the OS itself, so the disk protected, but the system can do its job |
| 19:46.52 | blubberdiblub | antivirtel, if the os can decrypt the key, the attacker can as well |
| 19:47.03 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone have experience running raid 6 with consumer hard drives on an LSI 9270? Did it work? |
| 19:47.18 | blubberdiblub | frikinz, i think the idea is not having to input a password |
| 19:47.31 | blubberdiblub | frikinz, otherwise he wouldn't ask ;) |
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| 19:47.40 | antivirtel | blubberdiblub - why? if is make an unique, OS binded hash, just the OS can |
| 19:47.59 | frikinz | so it needs the key on a seperate disk and the passphrase to this key should be empty ie the key unencrpted. not sure I understand indeed :) |
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| 19:48.13 | blubberdiblub | antivirtel, well, i don't understand what you mean. but if it's so easy, i don't stop you ;) |
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| 19:49.14 | deeplloyd | new to debian. not having the freshest VIM version threw me off. not having ipef... im confuse. Am I looking at the main stream? Did I miss iperf's replacement? |
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| 19:50.32 | antivirtel | blubberdiblub - see, I've configured a ZNC, and it has to generated a hash from the password. I wanted to copy the config to an other machine, but it didn't accepted the same pw... so I think this could be used here as well |
| 19:50.40 | blubberdiblub | deeplloyd, you can install the iperf package |
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| 19:51.42 | deeplloyd | blubberdiblub: yeah ... i suppose 'aptitude install ipef' won't do it ;) |
| 19:51.51 | blubberdiblub | antivirtel, well, i'm sure znc configs can be copied and retain the password. maybe you used a different version znc on the other box |
| 19:51.59 | joegiampaoli | Anyone know how to fix this font rendering issue? https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B89XHw6WcgFvY2FuZWNzZVNYU2c This happens on some websites (rarely) with firefox, which font would I be missing? Thanks! |
| 19:52.09 | blubberdiblub | deeplloyd, "aptitude install iperf" |
| 19:52.18 | blubberdiblub | deeplloyd, notice that you're missing an "r" |
| 19:52.26 | antivirtel | blubberdiblub - maybe, but I think it was the same sha256 |
| 19:52.31 | deeplloyd | blubberdiblub: thats why i said i suppose wont work |
| 19:52.36 | deeplloyd | blubberdiblub: my mistake |
| 19:52.52 | deeplloyd | blubberdiblub: guess im still sour about having to manuall install vim 7.3 |
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| 19:55.07 | blubberdiblub | deeplloyd, there's a 7.2 vim in squeeze. 7.3 is in wheezy. maybe there's a 7.3 vim in backports, too, i don't know. if so, that would have been an option for you |
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| 19:57.18 | deeplloyd | blubberdiblub: i'll keep that in mind. been spoiled by pacman... |
| 19:58.00 | blubberdiblub | deeplloyd, heh, i see. i've been spoiled by debian's package management ;) i guess it always depends where you're coming from and what your preferences are ;) |
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| 20:04.12 | blubberdiblub | !tell deeplloyd about debian-backports |
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| 20:18.51 | fadumpt | Hello |
| 20:19.22 | jelly-home | ,v vim |
| 20:19.23 | judd | Package: vim on i386 -- lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.445+hg~cb94c42c0e1a-1; sid: 2:7.3.547-4; wheezy: 2:7.3.547-4 |
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| 20:19.39 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: there apparently is none |
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| 20:25.25 | cardamon | Getting an error with mpd, trying to run it locally. Turned off the systemv service mpd. |
| 20:25.28 | cardamon | mute@sleipnir:~$ mpd |
| 20:25.29 | cardamon | db_file setting missing |
| 20:25.31 | cardamon | listen: bind to '0.0.0.0:6600' failed: Address already in use (continuing anyway, because binding to '[::]:6600' succeeded) |
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| 20:32.58 | Guest29026 | cardamon: maybe configure mpd |
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| 20:34.36 | cardamon | I did. |
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| 20:35.03 | cardamon | It's pointed to /var/lib/mpd/mpd.db, and mpd has rw on it. |
| 20:35.11 | cardamon | In fact, it owns it. |
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| 20:43.35 | aguitel_ | sometimes iceweasel is closing ,hiw i know why ? |
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| 20:44.47 | KZKG^Gaara | Hi |
| 20:45.03 | garo | my debian is amd64 and i want to put something like "deb http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/debian unstable main" in my sources.list |
| 20:45.22 | KZKG^Gaara | Hi, I need some help .... when I open some terminal, I had this: "I have no name!@exia:~$" (been exia=hostname) |
| 20:45.23 | garo | but debian.pkgs.cpan.org only has i386 packages |
| 20:45.50 | KZKG^Gaara | Anyone can help me please? |
| 20:46.03 | garo | what should i change in that line so that apt-get/aptitude/... uses the i386 cpan packages |
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| 20:47.50 | aguitel_ | sometimes iceweasel is closing unexpectedly ,how i know why ? |
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| 20:48.04 | quebre | hi |
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| 20:48.13 | quebre | i have 01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GF104 High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) |
| 20:48.21 | quebre | how to find what kernel module supports this one ? |
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| 20:49.43 | sney | quebre: do lspci -nn instead, and take the code that looks like [xxxx:xxxx] and do ,pciid xxxx:xxxx in this channel |
| 20:49.54 | sney | quebre: but that one is almost definitely snd_hda_intel, I think |
| 20:50.29 | quebre | ,pciid 10de:0beb |
| 20:50.30 | judd | [10de:0beb] is 'GF104 High Definition Audio Controller' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'nvidiafb' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0beb and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 20:50.39 | quebre | damn, this bot is awsome |
| 20:50.41 | quebre | thx |
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| 20:51.58 | nsadmin | quebre, judd is (among other things) an interface to the UDD, Ultimate Debian Database |
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| 20:53.43 | quebre | can i have access to UDD without this bot? |
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| 20:54.04 | nsadmin | maybe it also has a web interface |
| 20:54.11 | nsadmin | !udd |
| 20:54.12 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 20:55.41 | nsadmin | postgresql ftw! |
| 20:56.07 | quebre | oracle is better ;) |
| 20:56.15 | nsadmin | agreed |
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| 20:56.33 | nsadmin | well except for that little money situation |
| 20:56.51 | quebre | just.. ekhm... *small* .. detail ... ;) |
| 20:57.06 | nsadmin | and, postgres is coming along... |
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| 20:58.20 | nsadmin | I've installed oracle 8.1.7 on debian potato |
| 20:58.30 | nsadmin | worked great :) |
| 20:58.55 | nsadmin | after it spent 3 hours generating the initial db... |
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| 21:04.37 | aguitel_ | sometimes iceweasel is closing unexpectedly ,how i know why ? |
| 21:05.02 | GNU\colossus | check out ~/.xsession-errors |
| 21:05.09 | GNU\colossus | the last few lines SHOULD tell you what happened |
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| 21:08.13 | aguitel_ | GNU\colossus, do you see something wrong ? http://paste.debian.net/186139/ |
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| 21:09.56 | GNU\colossus | aguitel_, not really, no... |
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| 21:10.18 | aguitel_ | GNU\colossus, thanks |
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| 21:11.06 | aguitel_ | i use noscript in iceweasel ,maybe this is the problem ? |
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| 21:14.37 | GNU\colossus | doubtful; should not outright crash your browser |
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| 21:16.29 | Gerben | Hello, we manage around 1000 servers ( 95% Linux, 5% Windows ). We've had "reliability" problems with our 3rd party backup solution for years now, and we are looking for alternatives. I'd liked to use some cheap cloud storage, like Amazon S3. I have some experience with Bacula. Can anyone give me some advise on what back-up software to choose on such scale. Management is interested in offering backup for the workstations (40K windows mac |
| 21:16.29 | Gerben | hines) too, as an option. |
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| 21:19.25 | sinisterstuf | I am absolutely not qualified to answer your question Gerben because I rarely have a need to back anything up but I've read that rsync is good: http://blog.interlinked.org/tutorials/rsync_time_machine.html |
| 21:19.34 | sinisterstuf | but maybe not exactly what you're looking for, I don't know |
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| 21:20.15 | Gerben | It should be usable for restoring individual files by servicedesk personnel (including cheap uneducated students etc.) |
| 21:20.50 | Gerben | well, uneducated students.... You get the point I think :) |
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| 21:25.18 | NChief_ | I have a problem in debian testing where "/etc/init.d/networking start" does nothing.. no errors, nothing in the logs.. and networking does not start.. |
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| 21:26.14 | Gerben | NChief_, and networking is not already started? |
| 21:26.23 | Gerben | eg, try a restart |
| 21:26.35 | NChief_ | I have tried stop and restart to, still nothing |
| 21:27.20 | Gerben | strange, I don't have a Debian testing install, so I can't help you |
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| 21:33.52 | NChief_ | seasm like im missing the command "ifup" |
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| 21:41.52 | Blodwig | hi, I'm having issues mounting the partition I have my windows install on in debian, I get this error http://paste.debian.net/186144/ , and the link there hardly makes me any wiser. thankful for any help |
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| 21:59.09 | nkuttler | hrm.. wasn't somebody complaining about mouse buttons not working earlier? how did that turn out? looks like i have a similar issue after today's wheezy upgrade.. |
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| 22:19.39 | tsyd | running "host some-name" outputs "some-name has ip 192.168.1.137", but when I ping some-name, I get Unknown host |
| 22:19.48 | tsyd | but I can ping 192.168.1.137 |
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| 22:19.54 | tsyd | what could be causing this? |
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| 22:22.44 | caf | tsyd: ping uses the name service switch (so is affected by the hosts: setting in nsswitch.conf) and host does not, it directly consults dns |
| 22:22.48 | grzeslaw | tsyd: check your hosts file, your hostname shoud be there |
| 22:23.14 | Seri_ | Hello all, Quick question. How do I search for Specific Firmware to install for a Wireless Card. |
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| 22:24.56 | jordanm | Seri_: dmesg will generally report the missing file, and you can search for it on packages.debian.net |
| 22:25.03 | Brigo | Seri_: apt-cache search firmware <chipset> |
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| 22:25.26 | Seri_ | Thank you all for the quick responses. |
| 22:25.39 | caf | tsyd: is "some-name" in the .local domain by any chance? |
| 22:26.11 | tsyd | caf: yes |
| 22:26.36 | tsyd | or not... |
| 22:26.36 | caf | tsyd: then your problem is this: http://avahi.org/wiki/AvahiAndUnicastDotLocal |
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| 22:46.05 | Seri_ | Alright. What all do I do if what I put in ifup wlan0 I get the message ((receive_packet failed on wlan0: Network is down)) |
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| 22:46.43 | qw12 | is there a way to run a command one hour (or specified) after reboot ? |
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| 22:47.43 | jordanm | qw12: `at` can run a command in one our, and cron can run @reboot |
| 22:48.47 | jordanm | qw12: anacron can run after reboot if the machine was not available at the time the command was scheduled to run |
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| 22:49.43 | qw12 | jordanm: using @reboot root /path/to/script |
| 22:49.53 | qw12 | jordanm: how can i put the delay of specified time ? |
| 22:50.10 | qw12 | jordanm: using `at`, can you tell where to insert it ? |
| 22:51.33 | jordanm | qw12: what do you mean where to insert it? it inserts it in at's queue |
| 22:53.00 | Brigo | qw12: man at, i think :-) |
| 22:54.50 | abrotman | qw12: @reboot, schedule the at |
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| 23:01.13 | soloman | what group should i add my users too, to execute poweroff as a normal user? |
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| 23:02.29 | Seri__ | Is there a program or command to check if a Wireless Card is even being recognized as installed? |
| 23:05.31 | abrotman | soloman: powerdev IIRC |
| 23:05.37 | abrotman | Seri__: as installed? |
| 23:05.47 | abrotman | Seri__: dmesg | less .. look for your card |
| 23:05.49 | Seri__ | or working. |
| 23:06.25 | gotmynick | iwconfig -a # (apt-get install wireless-tools) |
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| 23:08.00 | gotmynick | soloman, maybe there is a more K.I.S.S. way, but... maybe using sudo ? |
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| 23:08.49 | gotmynick | apt-get install sudo; visudo; allow the user name to execute the privileged command |
| 23:09.15 | jhutchins_lt2 | Strange fail on mediatomb. It's sharing files to my TV, but the management interface says "no items found". |
| 23:13.07 | abrotman | soloman: or maybe it's plugdev ... |
| 23:13.31 | abrotman | of which i seem to be neither, but can shut down easily |
| 23:13.38 | qw12 | jordanm: abrotman can i put in /etc/crotab @reboot at -f /path/to/script.sh now + 1 hour |
| 23:14.27 | abrotman | qw12: does the man page say you can ? |
| 23:14.38 | abrotman | qw12: you may want to specify a user |
| 23:15.22 | qw12 | abrotman: @reboot root at -f /path/to/script.sh now + 1 hour |
| 23:15.43 | qw12 | abrotman: the man page says the syntax is correct, but i amnot sure if i can give a command in crontab |
| 23:15.51 | abrotman | sure you can |
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| 23:15.59 | qw12 | ok |
| 23:16.08 | qw12 | thanks, i'll try it |
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| 23:19.20 | Seri__ | what do i do if the comman it says to download the firmware with .. says it cant find the file.. |
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| 23:20.32 | Seri__ | firmware-b43-installer |
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| 23:21.10 | soloman | abrotman, plugdev didnt work, but it was a group. maybe it willl be good after reboot |
| 23:21.14 | soloman | thank you :) |
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| 23:21.27 | soloman | il get it here, at least i am on the right track |
| 23:21.45 | soloman | pw group mod operator -m user in fbsd for anyone who cares |
| 23:22.47 | abrotman | Seri__: did you setup contrib/non-free ? |
| 23:23.23 | Seri__ | Not sure what you mean. |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | Seri__: in your sources.list ? |
| 23:23.40 | Seri__ | Ill go with no. |
| 23:23.51 | abrotman | you should |
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| 23:27.16 | roboman2444 | this is kinda a debian question... |
| 23:27.46 | roboman2444 | so i have my keyboard bindings set up to raise and lower volume |
| 23:28.10 | roboman2444 | i also want the button to display a message on the screen for a second, saying the speaker volume |
| 23:28.29 | roboman2444 | so how do i make a "popup" on X with a shell? |
| 23:28.34 | roboman2444 | im using openbox if it helps |
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| 23:32.06 | Seri__ | Thank you |
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| 23:37.20 | dondelelcaro | roboman2444: you can trivially do that with xmessage or similar |
| 23:37.50 | dondelelcaro | roboman2444: but there are also various widgets which you can use to display the current volume setting when you change it too; probably something like that already exists with appropriate openbox theming |
| 23:38.23 | dondelelcaro | roboman2444: see hotkeys for one example |
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| 23:38.41 | dondelelcaro | (note that I have no idea how well hotkeys fits in with openbox's theming |
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| 23:49.30 | KeatonT | Quick question. Just installed Debian and now in the console to login as root it shows two Debain tty0's and two login prompts |
| 23:49.53 | KeatonT | When I attempt to login it doesn't succeed because it acts as if I'm typing in the username and password for both. |
| 23:50.10 | KeatonT | Kinda seems like two tty sessions are open for some reason in console. |
| 23:51.03 | roboman2444 | dondelelcaro, there is a volume control widget thing, but you click it and use a slider |
| 23:51.19 | roboman2444 | i just want a small message to appear showing vol percent |
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| 23:53.15 | qw12 | jordanm: abrotman @reboot root at -f /path/to/script now + 1 hour works, but @reboot root at -f /path/to/jobs.txt now + 1 hour where jobs.txt has full paths to 2 scripts doesn't work |
| 23:53.51 | abrotman | why would it ? |
| 23:53.59 | abrotman | can't imagine it shuld work |
| 23:54.33 | qw12 | ok, you are are right, i guess i checked it too soon |
| 23:54.43 | abrotman | qw12: all works, happy ? |
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| 23:56.22 | alg | hey people |
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| 23:57.54 | blackshirt | hey alg |
| 23:58.05 | qw12 | abrotman: yep ! |
| 23:58.11 | alg | I want to port EC2 server to larger EC2 instance |
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| 23:58.37 | abrotman | shouldn't you call amazon ? |
| 23:58.40 | alg | I made snapshot EBS volume |
| 23:59.00 | alg | abrotman I dont know if they answer phones |
| 23:59.01 | qw12 | abrotman: have a question though, each time i reboot i make it echo something to a log (keeps appending). But i want to write to this file circularly, meaning after 100 entries it overwrites at the top again, is there a way to do this ? |
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| 23:59.35 | jhutchins_lt2 | I have a severely corrupt lenny instllation. What's the best way to upgrade it to squeeze? |
| 23:59.38 | abrotman | qw12: wc -l .. count the lines .. when goes over a number devnull the file to clean it out |
| 23:59.48 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt2: define corrupt |
| 23:59.49 | alg | there is Block Device Mapping: as root ebs volumes and instant store volumes |
| 23:59.51 | alg | what does it mean? |