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| 00:01.43 | symptom | gdm on my wheezy system keeps restarting. Any idea where its logs are located? |
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| 00:06.46 | Brigo | symptom: /var/log/gdm |
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| 00:07.36 | nsmgo | anyone have a perfected tar/gzip command to pack up my root for restore later? |
| 00:08.23 | symptom | wtf? no timestamps in gdm logs? What is this 1972? |
| 00:08.24 | Brigo | tar cvzf root.gz /root ? |
| 00:08.29 | Erlkoenig | tar -ajf foo.tar.bz2 your_folder "-a" should do everything |
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| 00:08.38 | Erlkoenig | and "-v" will make it slooow :D |
| 00:09.02 | Brigo | Erlkoenig: he said gzip ;-) |
| 00:09.30 | Erlkoenig | oohps, so, well, then "tar -azf foo.tar.gz your_folder" |
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| 00:16.21 | nsmgo | Erlkoenig: how will your_folder decompress (by path) using that last command? |
| 00:16.41 | Erlkoenig | tar -axzf foo.tar.gz -C target_folder |
| 00:17.29 | cyberbootje | Hi, i'm trying to load acpiphp but i get the error: FATAL: Error inserting acpiphp (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/acpiphp.ko): No such device anyone who can help with this? |
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| 00:19.35 | nsmgo | Erlkoenig: tar -azf gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo/ complians ... |
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| 00:22.36 | Erlkoenig | nsmgo: you forgot the 'x' |
| 00:22.42 | Erlkoenig | and also the -C |
| 00:23.03 | Erlkoenig | oh argh sorry |
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| 00:23.11 | Erlkoenig | i forgot the "c" :D |
| 00:23.14 | Erlkoenig | to compress the folder |
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| 00:24.23 | nsmgo | tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' or `--test-label' options ... |
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| 00:24.59 | nsmgo | thinking tar -axfc ./gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo/ |
| 00:25.07 | Erlkoenig | yeah, forgot 'c' for creating the archive |
| 00:25.23 | Erlkoenig | hmm gentoo |
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| 00:25.28 | pinkus | when wheezy becomes the new stable, will there be a new testing immediately available, or will it just be sid for awhile? |
| 00:26.39 | nsmgo | thinking tar -azfc ./gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo/ ... ? |
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| 00:28.04 | nsmgo | tar -afc gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo complains. |
| 00:28.10 | nsmgo | what's missing? |
| 00:28.32 | nsmgo | it's suppose to create a file in the local directory of everything in /mnt/gentoo righT/? |
| 00:28.57 | nsmgo | tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' or `--test-label' options ... |
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| 00:31.00 | nsmgo | thanks; it was the sequence of options; -ac -f gentoo.tar.gz /mnt/gentoo |
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| 00:39.37 | Rotaerk | nevyn: hmm, I think I have to build my kernel source before I can build flashcache |
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| 00:40.34 | Rotaerk | does the kernel configuration as it exists in the linux-source-2.6.32 package match the configuration that it has by default when you first install squeeze |
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| 00:45.31 | somiaj | Rotaerk: I don't belive the source packages are shipped with the default debian config |
| 00:45.56 | somiaj | Rotaerk: but luckly debian kernels all have a config file easy to get, just install the kernel image you want, then copy the config from /boot/config-2.6.32.whatever |
| 00:46.13 | Rotaerk | ah yea, copy from there to the source tree |
| 00:46.27 | Rotaerk | flashcache seems to want a configured and built source tree |
| 00:46.28 | somiaj | Rotaerk: note since that kernel-source is used to make multiple kernels, which one would be considered default. |
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| 00:46.57 | somiaj | Rotaerk: if you want to complie something against the kernel, like a kernel module, you need the linux-headers-2.6.32-whatever package |
| 00:47.04 | bws42 | oddball networking question, I'm having trouble on a machine where I can't ping localhost or any local IPv4 address, nor can I SSH locally or connect to any local services, iptables is empty with all chains set to ACCEPT, any debug ideas? |
| 00:47.15 | Rotaerk | somiaj: I have that package installed |
| 00:47.20 | Rotaerk | not sure what to DO with it though |
| 00:47.25 | Rotaerk | with respect to flashcache |
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| 00:47.56 | somiaj | Rotaerk: I do know konw flashcache, but the headers are in /usr/src/<something> where something is related tot he version of the kernel |
| 00:48.14 | somiaj | Rotaerk: so you may have to either link /usr/src/linux to the headers for your kernel version |
| 00:48.41 | somiaj | Rotaerk: or explicity tell flashcache where the kernel tree is as it may only look in /usr/src/linux and a few other common places with out adding some sort of env var or configure option |
| 00:48.45 | somiaj | but I cannot tell you what it is. |
| 00:49.13 | Rotaerk | somiaj: the README says to run: sudo make KERNEL_TREE=<root of kernel source tree> install |
| 00:49.45 | localhost | bws42: does ifconfig show a "lo" interface? |
| 00:49.47 | Rotaerk | so I installed linux-source-2.6.32, extracted the tar.gz to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32 |
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| 00:49.51 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 00:49.57 | Rotaerk | and then used THAT as the path to flashcache's make |
| 00:49.57 | lenswipe | anyone know of a blackjack game for debian? |
| 00:50.01 | bws42 | localhost, yes it does |
| 00:50.13 | somiaj | Rotaerk: no |
| 00:50.29 | somiaj | Rotaerk: install the linux-headers |
| 00:50.46 | somiaj | Rotaerk: for your kernel version and then set KERNEL_TREE=/usr/src/linux-headers-kernel_version |
| 00:50.52 | lenswipe | starts developing a website on localhost |
| 00:50.55 | lenswipe | debugs localhost |
| 00:51.00 | Rotaerk | oh the headers alone are the source tree? |
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| 00:51.15 | somiaj | Rotaerk: they are the part of the source tree needed by other programs to complie against your kernel |
| 00:51.20 | Rotaerk | hmm testing this |
| 00:51.46 | somiaj | lenswipe: there is some sort of tux cards game collection. I think I saw blackjack or poker in that collection |
| 00:51.57 | lenswipe | not really interested in poker |
| 00:51.59 | lenswipe | more black jack |
| 00:52.03 | lenswipe | (just for the fun) |
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| 00:53.03 | bws42 | localhost, one thing I should add, this machine is a VPS, not a full blown machine |
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| 00:54.19 | localhost | bws42: ifdown lo;ifup lo;ping 127.0.0.1 -c 5 |
| 00:54.23 | Rotaerk | somiaj: thanks, that seems to have worked |
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| 00:54.37 | Rotaerk | any idea why they called it the "kernel source tree"? |
| 00:54.39 | Rotaerk | as opposed to headers |
| 00:54.43 | somiaj | lenswipe: nope not finding the package I was thinking of. I just saw a set of jr card games, gnome and kde card games |
| 00:54.56 | somiaj | Rotaerk: they are almost the same thing |
| 00:55.13 | bws42 | localhost, that fixes it, but I'm kinda hoping to figure out what's breaking |
| 00:55.15 | lenswipe | ah |
| 00:55.17 | somiaj | Rotaerk: but it is the 'headers' in which other programs have to link agains, the headers are just the aprt of the source tree neeeded for what you just did. |
| 00:55.19 | lenswipe | somiaj, thanks for looking anyway |
| 00:55.39 | localhost | bws42: when does it break? |
| 00:56.05 | bws42 | localhost, after an undetermined period of time :( |
| 00:59.14 | FDFlock | Just to confirm: /etc/sysctl.conf is the proper place to set swappiness, right? |
| 01:01.28 | somiaj | FDFlock: what do you mean by swappiness? /etc/fstab if you want to tell where the swap drive is and to mount it |
| 01:01.32 | localhost | bws42: debug advice would be to somewhat constantly ping 127.0.0.1 and when it starts failing check the syslog and other logs to see if anything odd is going on at that time. |
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| 01:03.08 | bws42 | localhost, nothing odd in any of the system logs |
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| 01:03.44 | alfplayer | somiaj: it's a parameter to adjust the kernel's tendency to swap |
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| 01:04.05 | somiaj | alfplayer: ahh, well that seems to be the place to set kernel parameters then |
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| 01:04.18 | alfplayer | somiaj: I think the same |
| 01:05.10 | somiaj | FDFlock: though FDFlock should man sysctl or man sysctl.conf for more info about that. |
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| 01:05.27 | FDFlock | Thanks! I always set it to 0 (especially with an SSD) |
| 01:05.42 | FDFlock | yeah, I just checked the man pages |
| 01:05.45 | somiaj | FDFlock: why not just turn swap off? that is what I do on my system with a sdd |
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| 01:05.47 | somiaj | ssd |
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| 01:06.15 | r3m | ,v blingbling |
| 01:06.16 | judd | No package named 'blingbling' was found in i386. |
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| 01:06.42 | FDFlock | somiaj: Because swap is really needed, sometimes (=rarely). Settig swappiness to 0 ensures that it will only be used in emergencies |
| 01:06.58 | FDFlock | somiaj: ...well, almost. Still, very rarely |
| 01:07.12 | somiaj | FDFlock: I have yet to find a good argument about why it is needed (I don't see any point with my 12gigs of ram on this desktop) |
| 01:07.17 | localhost | bws42: a very oddball problem you have, I'm not sure what could be happening. |
| 01:07.36 | somiaj | FDFlock: the only reason I found to want it in that case is for hibernate/suspend-to-disk |
| 01:07.37 | FDFlock | somiaj: I have only 8GB RAM and it's a laptop |
| 01:07.44 | FDFlock | ;) |
| 01:08.12 | bws42 | localhost, agreed, I'm at quite a loss, unfortunately searching for "can't ping localhost" or derivatives doesn't provide good results :) |
| 01:08.19 | somiaj | yea I would have swap for suspend-to-disk, but with 8gigs of ram if you have a run away process that eats up all your memeory it will keep doing that and eat up yoru swap to until your system crashes |
| 01:09.30 | FDFlock | also... I might be old-school or something, but kernels are actually written and tuned under the assumption that swap will be needed. It's something they do really well (unless they are Windows kernels, heh) |
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| 01:10.45 | FDFlock | a run away process? having swap gives you a few extra seconds before the crash then |
| 01:10.50 | indystorm | Hey guys- I am trying to install dropbox on debian 6. I click the package file and it just downloads it, I can't do anything with it! any ideas what is going on here? I am using ice weasel as my browser.... |
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| 01:12.15 | winsen | god night all |
| 01:12.47 | alfplayer | FDFlock: are you saying swappiness 0 is faster than no active swap? |
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| 01:14.54 | FDFlock | alfplayer: definitely not slower, IMO, at least not in practice... and since sometimes (even if rarely) swap might be useful... |
| 01:15.11 | FDFlock | then again I've done no testing |
| 01:15.26 | Rotaerk | hmm, this flashcache documentation indicates to copy the binaries to /usr/sbin |
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| 01:15.36 | Rotaerk | but that seems... messy, would rather not do that with manually installed stuff |
| 01:15.52 | Rotaerk | is there a way to setup an another path to behave just like sbin |
| 01:16.22 | Rotaerk | ah nm... |
| 01:16.22 | alfplayer | FDFlock: it would be a bug if that were the case, IMHO |
| 01:16.27 | somiaj | FDFlock: well I have 0 swap and have noticed no drawback in the years I have done it. |
| 01:16.28 | Rotaerk | just add to the root's PATH |
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| 01:18.38 | FDFlock | alfplayer: my point exactly. the kernel guys know their job pretty well, I trust them ;) |
| 01:18.45 | somiaj | Rotaerk: copy user compiled stuff to /usr/local/sbin (or make links) or do what you did, modify the PATH |
| 01:19.03 | alfplayer | FDFlock: right |
| 01:19.09 | Rotaerk | hmm good idea |
| 01:19.10 | somiaj | Rotaerk: dpkg should be the only thing putting files in and remove themn from /usr, /usr/local is a good place to put third party stuff on debian as everything there is stuff you put there and manage |
| 01:19.28 | Rotaerk | k thanks |
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| 01:20.37 | nevyn | Rotaerk: headers should be enough. |
| 01:20.49 | Rotaerk | yep, that worked |
| 01:21.04 | nevyn | Rotaerk: did you look at the package? |
| 01:21.27 | Rotaerk | nevyn: that wasn't a package, it was just the same as what's on github but with a debian subfolder |
| 01:21.37 | nevyn | right that's a package. |
| 01:21.41 | Rotaerk | hmm |
| 01:21.50 | Rotaerk | not sure how to use it then |
| 01:22.02 | Rotaerk | didn't see setup instructions |
| 01:22.08 | nevyn | you build it to a set of .debs with dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 01:22.35 | Rotaerk | hrm, good to know; will try that |
| 01:22.54 | Rotaerk | if that works, will be a cleaner setup than manual copying of binaries |
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| 01:29.49 | mutante | a default .profile talks about "configure the libpam-umask package". apt-cache show on that package gives me 2 lines, one saying it can't select versions because the package is purely virtual and the other just saying no packages found. of course i can search for it and find it is in libpam-modules. is any of that a bug though? reference to the package and/or getting the 2 lines that sound conflicting kind of? |
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| 01:34.05 | karsten | mutante: aptitude show libpam-umask shows taht it's provided by libpam-modules |
| 01:34.13 | karsten | mutante: ... so presumably that's what you'd want to install. |
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| 01:36.41 | mutante | karsten: thanks, i know it's in there. just thinking the text in a default .profile file should probably be changed |
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| 01:41.41 | karsten | mutante: Hrm. File a bug against it :) |
| 01:41.51 | karsten | mutante: ... is that file from a package somewhere? |
| 01:41.57 | ging | anyone know how to remount a root filesystem read/write when it has gone readonly ? |
| 01:42.04 | mutante | karsten: doing that right now. it is from bash |
| 01:42.32 | mutante | using reportbug. bash: /etc/skel/.profile |
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| 01:45.58 | Erlkoenig | ging: mount / -o remount,rw |
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| 01:46.36 | ac_slater | Hey guys. I did something silly. I did a `dpkg --clear-selections` |
| 01:47.17 | ac_slater | what does that do exactly and should I worry about it? Doing a `dpkg --get-selections` reports every packages to 'deinstall' .. hmm |
| 01:48.15 | somiaj | ac_slater: you could just get your list, and change deinstall to install and fix it with --set-selections on your new list (so export it to a file, use find/replace) |
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| 01:49.34 | Rotaerk | hmm finally got a couple .deb files for flashcache, and a .changes file |
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| 01:49.59 | Rotaerk | do you guys usually have a directory for holding onto manually built packages |
| 01:50.01 | Rotaerk | or something |
| 01:50.21 | somiaj | Rotaerk: I like to keep them around, but I just put them in $HOME/src on my main user |
| 01:50.24 | ging | Erlkoenig: that's not been working |
| 01:50.44 | Rotaerk | ah |
| 01:50.53 | ging | it keeps saying it is write protected |
| 01:51.24 | ging | and i can't restart as it's an encrypted disk i don't have the key for |
| 01:51.49 | ging | well actually it isn't but there is an encrypted disk that is mounted that i would lose |
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| 02:00.38 | ac_slater | somiaj: Good suggestion. So if you don't mine me asking, the 'get-selection / set-selection' business is for what exactly? |
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| 02:01.01 | ac_slater | I know it's for the dpkg database somehow ... but I dont see it effecting normal operations. |
| 02:01.37 | ac_slater | mind* |
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| 02:04.10 | somiaj | ac_slater: it allows you to get a nicely formated list of the state of every package on your system |
| 02:04.39 | somiaj | though I mostly use it to set packages to 'hold' for apt-get on my sid system |
| 02:05.19 | ac_slater | somiaj: ah ok makes sense. Thanks man |
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| 02:21.01 | Rotaerk | hmm, there a way to see the chunk size of a pre-existing RAID device? |
| 02:21.08 | Rotaerk | mdadm --detail doesn't seem to show it |
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| 02:21.29 | sneex | regarding shellinabox - did the author tell anyone at debian how to limit commands? |
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| 02:22.10 | Rotaerk | oh, it's dynamically configurable I think.. |
| 02:22.33 | tidux | virtualbox-dkms is broken in wheezy |
| 02:22.39 | tidux | can't find the kernel source |
| 02:22.54 | tidux | any way to fix that other than rebuild from source? |
| 02:24.10 | Janos | Rotaerk, have you tried assembling the device and then using mdadm -Q -D on it ? |
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| 02:25.33 | Rotaerk | it's already assembled; -D is the same as --detail |
| 02:25.38 | Rotaerk | but haven't tried -Q |
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| 02:26.25 | Rotaerk | Janos: nope, that doesn't give chunk size |
| 02:28.17 | Rotaerk | hrm, the man page for mdadm says that chunk size is only meaningful for raids 0, 4, 5, 6, and 10 |
| 02:28.22 | Rotaerk | it should be relevant to 1 though |
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| 02:30.49 | Rotaerk | "For writes, the chunk-size doesn't affect the array, since all data must be written to all disks no matter what. For reads however, the chunk-size specifies how much data to read serially from the participating disks." |
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| 02:31.01 | Rotaerk | this information is inconsistent with mdadm documentation |
| 02:31.18 | Rotaerk | (that quote is regarding RAID1) |
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| 02:33.51 | therealfakemoot | How can I use apt-get/aptitude to query my installed packages? |
| 02:33.59 | somiaj | therealfakemoot: dpkg -l |
| 02:34.04 | therealfakemoot | neat |
| 02:34.08 | somiaj | therealfakemoot: aptitude search ~i |
| 02:35.01 | Rotaerk | nevyn: mdadm seems to think that chunk size is irrelevant to RAID1, so I'm not sure how to determine what the cache size should be a multiple of ... |
| 02:35.27 | therealfakemoot | bluh |
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| 02:35.32 | therealfakemoot | somiaj: Ty, it's been a long day |
| 02:35.35 | Janos | Rotaerk, pretty sure that something like ´mdadm -E /dev/sda1´ where sda1 is one of the raid partitions should give you that info, but as you have already stated does not seem to work on raid 1 |
| 02:35.51 | Janos | here is an example of it working on raid0 http://linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2002/12/05/RAID.html?page=2 |
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| 02:37.58 | cardamon | Roommate that I installed Debian is looking for Times New Roman. Is it in a package somewhere? |
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| 02:39.00 | somiaj | if you can find a ttf font you can just put it in ~/.fonts I belive. Not sure if there is a free version of that fonts |
| 02:39.10 | somiaj | it might be apart of the mscorefonts package or something like that in non-free |
| 02:39.14 | Alam_Squeeze | ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
| 02:39.23 | somiaj | yea that |
| 02:39.45 | Janos | cardamon, there is a package with many ms fonts, not sure if it has that one but you can give it a try, ttf-mscorefonts-installer |
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| 02:46.43 | zykotick9 | therealfakemoot: seriously, aptitude and ubuntu are not a good idea (as i said in #ubuntu) |
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| 02:50.34 | cardamon | Thanks. |
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| 02:51.37 | Janos | zykotick9, i learned that the hard way, makes me cry, i love aptitude ... |
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| 02:52.23 | zykotick9 | Janos: i use aptitude as well, will be sad when wheezy becomes stable and I'll have to abandon it... |
| 02:52.58 | zykotick9 | "aptitude safe-upgrade" FTW ;) |
| 02:53.12 | Janos | zykotick9, is it going from debian too ??? i was hoping that debian would updated it and that way get it back in ubuntu too |
| 02:53.21 | Janos | feels really sad now |
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| 02:53.35 | zykotick9 | Janos: ? i doubt that will happen, but i guess it's "possible" |
| 02:53.54 | cardamon | safe-upgrade is nice. |
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| 02:55.41 | Janos | aptitude search '?description(foo)' <- THAT is nice :) |
| 02:56.08 | zykotick9 | Janos: is that different from "apt-cache search foo"? |
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| 02:56.35 | Janos | zykotick9, sure, i only search in the description :) |
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| 02:59.14 | tuv | what's the verdict on ssd encrypted volumes? any catches? |
| 02:59.23 | Janos | the filtering in aptitude is really awesome, not saying apt can´t do it, just that i don´t know how lol |
| 03:00.49 | zykotick9 | Janos: aptitude is very powerful, no doubt about that. Thus the reason we like it ;) |
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| 03:00.59 | zeptis | hello all. |
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| 03:03.31 | Thuryn | woo. |
| 03:03.39 | Janos | zykotick9, yup yup, i do hate the safe-upgrade thing though, i mean upgrade tells you to use safe-upgrade, and safe-upgrade now does what upgrade used to do, why not just replace the functionality and leave the same parameter |
| 03:03.41 | Thuryn | upgraded that old 3.1 box to 6.0 |
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| 03:04.02 | Thuryn | lo and behold, crap works, and the movie player knows how to read ScreamTracker MOD files. |
| 03:04.05 | Thuryn | does a jig |
| 03:04.11 | Janos | i suppose there is a reason behind it, just never knew what was it |
| 03:04.29 | zykotick9 | Janos: safe-upgrade won't break things the same way upgrade can (at least in ubuntu). |
| 03:05.14 | zykotick9 | Janos: in prior versions anyways ;) development specifically. (but i've dumped ubuntu now, but keep on using safe-upgrade) |
| 03:05.26 | Janos | zykotick9, sure i´m up for that, but if upgrade is broken and it has been fixed, why keep it ?, that´s the part i don´t get |
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| 03:05.49 | chombat | yo |
| 03:07.04 | zeptis | yo chombat |
| 03:07.38 | zeptis | attempting to apt-get the current amd64 wine is suffering. |
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| 03:10.04 | chombat | zeptis, w000 |
| 03:10.28 | zeptis | >>dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 3.2.0-3-amd64:nvidia (195.36.31)...failed. |
| 03:10.44 | zeptis | well, that's going to be even more fun |
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| 03:14.44 | ac_slater | leafpad |
| 03:14.50 | ac_slater | ooops |
| 03:14.57 | ac_slater | *this is not my working terminal* |
| 03:16.03 | Rotaerk | nevyn: sorry to keep pestering you; don't want to break my setup though by configuring this incorrectly... I created my cache device with flashcache_create; I think the only thing left to do is tell the volume group about it .. right? |
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| 03:16.35 | Rotaerk | I'm not seeing how to specify two physical volumes as being ... equivalent within a volume group, but with one as higher priority |
| 03:17.57 | Rotaerk | i.e. so the volume group is based on the cache device, with the raid device as a fallback |
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| 03:23.17 | chombat | hmm |
| 03:23.30 | Thuryn | indeed |
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| 03:28.18 | chombat | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 03:28.59 | weasel00 | when i try using lvextend it errors out "insufficient free space" why am i getting this error with a new drive? |
| 03:29.01 | chombat | welcome guest |
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| 03:29.38 | VaridianSol | can anyone help out am a little confused about creating a fqdn |
| 03:30.27 | Rotaerk | weasel00: is the volume group itself full? |
| 03:30.34 | weasel00 | VaridianSol - where are you confused? |
| 03:30.36 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, elaborate |
| 03:30.40 | Rotaerk | i.e. are all the logical volumes snug? |
| 03:30.50 | chombat | as a bug |
| 03:31.00 | Rotaerk | if so, you'd need to shrink one of the other lv's before you can extend the other |
| 03:31.01 | VaridianSol | i purchase an externally hosted domain and route to my home server using a subdomain |
| 03:31.05 | weasel00 | Rotaerk - only 1 volume at 50% |
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| 03:31.36 | VaridianSol | should my servers fqdn include the subdomain or just be .mydomain still |
| 03:31.44 | weasel00 | Rotaerk - been fighting trying to add another dick to the array o.0 |
| 03:31.45 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, that's using the term "route" rather loosely |
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| 03:32.08 | Rotaerk | weasel00: I don't think LVM supports dicks as physical volumes |
| 03:32.13 | weasel00 | meant disk .. |
| 03:32.24 | VaridianSol | i have the dns setup to direct all traffic to subdomain au.epcit.biz to 114.77.2.215 |
| 03:32.31 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, an fqdn is just that. a fully-qualified name that points to a valid address. |
| 03:32.32 | weasel00 | bangs head against the wall |
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| 03:33.00 | VaridianSol | so i use myserver.au.epcit.biz not myserv.epcit.biz |
| 03:33.03 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, you mean the name au.epcit.biz or do you mean *.au.epcit.biz? |
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| 03:33.34 | Rotaerk | has anyone used a volume group such that the underlying physical device could be .. swapped out transparently |
| 03:33.51 | VaridianSol | when it hits my house it gets to a router which uses nat to get to the right server for a port |
| 03:34.04 | Rotaerk | I've got a md device, and a flashcache device; I want to switch the volume group to use the flashcache device instead |
| 03:34.04 | weasel00 | Rotaerk - did that an hour ago on accident lol |
| 03:34.17 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, the DNS has nothing to do with that. |
| 03:34.40 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, DNS points a name to an address. that's about it. |
| 03:34.49 | Rotaerk | weasel00: how? |
| 03:35.04 | VaridianSol | yeah so should i name my server au or can i use servname.au.... |
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| 03:35.49 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, you should name it whatever you want to use and can remember. |
| 03:35.51 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: there's a volume move command to migrate the data |
| 03:35.54 | Thuryn | it doesn't really matter. |
| 03:36.03 | weasel00 | looks through his history |
| 03:36.15 | Rotaerk | weasel00: the data itself shouldn't be moved, as the physical devices holding the data are the same |
| 03:36.37 | Rotaerk | it's just that I've got an abstraction of the raid device now |
| 03:36.41 | Rotaerk | (one that includes a cache) |
| 03:37.27 | VaridianSol | i would prefer to be creating it to standard so I ask if I should be making it what ever the subdomain name is or it should be pc.sub.domain.etc |
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| 03:38.02 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, there is no standard. do whatever you want with it. |
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| 03:38.57 | VaridianSol | mmm'kay thx |
| 03:39.07 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, the only 'standard' is that usually http://yourdomain.com and http://www.yourdomain.com bring up some useful Web page and mail.yourdomain.com usually points to your mail server. |
| 03:39.23 | Thuryn | but you don't have to do any of that. not everybody does those things. they're just common. |
| 03:39.46 | Joelito | What package contains the "about me" gnome setting, I'm using xfce |
| 03:40.06 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: im confused... lol |
| 03:40.06 | Rotaerk | weasel00: the concept that was described to me (or at least, how I interpreted it) was that the volume group could be based on both the flashcache device and the underlying raid device |
| 03:40.18 | Rotaerk | where the flashcache device had higher ... priority |
| 03:40.38 | Rotaerk | such that if the SSD died, the volume group would automatically fall-back to the RAID device |
| 03:40.39 | weasel00 | hmm.. |
| 03:40.46 | VaridianSol | i have web server 2 actually, also irc, mail, and many more, i want au to point generally to my home server and then use pcname.au... but not even sure if it will resolve in that manner |
| 03:40.48 | Rotaerk | I'm not clear on how that can be implemented though |
| 03:41.30 | Thuryn | VaridianSol, i think what you want can be done. |
| 03:41.56 | VaridianSol | kewl thanks, will give it a go |
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| 03:43.03 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: personally only seen them used in three different ways; automatic caching priority (disk firmware), third party software (ie. EMC), and manually setting up two groups being mirrored between cache and disk |
| 03:43.46 | Rotaerk | hmm |
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| 03:46.31 | Rotaerk | I'll just put this off till nevyn returns; time to install other stuff |
| 03:46.42 | weasel00 | missing a stupid step someplace... |
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| 03:47.58 | weasel00 | where would it be missing free space... on the lvgroup? its only 50% utilized... do i need to format the new disk beyond setting it to 8e? |
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| 03:50.13 | Rotaerk | weasel00: did you select the disk device or a partition as the physical volume |
| 03:51.06 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: the device |
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| 03:51.39 | Rotaerk | weasel00: does that use the whole drive or just the remaining free space? |
| 03:51.47 | Rotaerk | i.e. if you already have a partition on it |
| 03:52.05 | weasel00 | should be using the whole device.. doublechecking |
| 03:52.59 | Rotaerk | ah the man for pvcreate indicates that it should use the whole disk |
| 03:53.05 | Rotaerk | down in the examples |
| 03:53.05 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: no partitions on device, added it to the array as a device /dev/sdd |
| 03:53.45 | Rotaerk | what does pvdisplay say |
| 03:54.02 | chombat | it says 'USE ZFS' lol |
| 03:54.21 | Rotaerk | chombat: wut |
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| 03:54.30 | chombat | zfs... |
| 03:54.54 | Rotaerk | ah hadn't heard of that |
| 03:54.58 | chombat | wow |
| 03:55.06 | chombat | yeah its not for linux much... |
| 03:55.10 | chombat | just recently |
| 03:55.17 | weasel00 | http://pastebin.com/ggsmuSWc |
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| 03:56.51 | Rotaerk | weasel00: and lvdisplay? |
| 03:57.41 | chombat | is there a debian-kbsd channel on freenode? |
| 03:57.52 | chombat | or just irc.debian.org |
| 03:58.12 | Rotaerk | weasel00: based on pvdisplay, you have 2.73*3 TiB, or 8.19, but your extend is trying to extend it to 13.65TiB for some reason |
| 03:58.33 | weasel00 | http://pastebin.com/bb3UjgtQ << added lvdisply to the bottom |
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| 03:58.47 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: it does?! |
| 03:58.47 | Rotaerk | since you did +100%, that suggests you're already using 6.82 TiB with your LVs |
| 03:59.30 | Rotaerk | "Extending logical volume data_volume to 13.65 TiB" |
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| 03:59.42 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: according to the man +100%PVS tells it to extend to the full capicity of the pv.... hmm... |
| 04:00.01 | Rotaerk | weasel00: oh I get it... |
| 04:00.12 | Rotaerk | +100% means the full capacity *plus* the current usage |
| 04:00.30 | Rotaerk | so full capacity is 8.19, current usage is 5.46... |
| 04:00.41 | rawburt | so I'd like to run a command after startup in multi-user mode. I assume I'll use /etc/init.d for this, and update-rc.d, but I don't know the proper values for update-rc.d. further, I don't know if putting this one command in /etc/init.d/ is the best idea. any suggestions? specifically, I'm wanting to execute backup-manager at each startup, but not part of the boot process; don't want it's process to hold up the login prompt. |
| 04:00.41 | Rotaerk | adds up to 13.65 |
| 04:00.47 | Rotaerk | weasel00: remove the + |
| 04:00.50 | Rotaerk | try just 100% |
| 04:01.49 | Rotaerk | assuming that's a valid input >_> |
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| 04:02.11 | Rotaerk | I'm guessing + is for relative extension, and you can leave it off to do absolute size specification |
| 04:02.14 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: it wasnt rejected but get the same error of space... |
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| 04:02.20 | alfplayer | rawburt: do you know /etc/rc.local ? |
| 04:02.23 | Rotaerk | weasel00: oh |
| 04:02.34 | rawburt | alfplayer: I doubt I know it as well as you do, just know of it. |
| 04:02.48 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: i think the 13TB is the problem in all this.. wondering how it got there.. |
| 04:03.00 | Rotaerk | it's because it *adds* 100% of max to the current amount |
| 04:03.14 | Rotaerk | the only question is how to make it not add the 100%, but size to exactly 100% |
| 04:03.29 | weasel00 | goes back to the man |
| 04:03.36 | Rotaerk | well, the man page indicates you can leave off the + to do that |
| 04:03.45 | rawburt | # This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel. |
| 04:03.45 | rawburt | # Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other |
| 04:03.46 | Rotaerk | what's the output of lvextend when you remove the +? |
| 04:03.46 | rawburt | # value on error. |
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| 04:04.00 | rawburt | why? |
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| 04:04.24 | rawburt | would executions called from rc.local work like JavaScript, on command at a time? |
| 04:04.38 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: Extending logical volume data_volume to 8.19 TiB |
| 04:04.38 | weasel00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.40 | rawburt | s/on command/one command |
| 04:04.52 | chombat | javascript...works like that? |
| 04:05.06 | Rotaerk | weasel00: hmm try this: +100%FREE |
| 04:05.34 | Rotaerk | so add all the remaining volume |
| 04:05.35 | chombat | rawburt, they will run in sequence unless you do & or nohup or something, which sometimes you have to do if something doesnt daemonize |
| 04:05.35 | alfplayer | rawburt: exit 0 is to boot anyway if a command in there fails, I think |
| 04:06.21 | chombat | javascript is asynchronous though so..thats different |
| 04:06.38 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: root@warehouse:~# lvextend -l 100%FREE /dev/data/data_volume Rounding size (715397 extents) down to stripe boundary size for segment (715396 extents) New size given (715396 extents) not larger than existing size (1430794 extents) Run `lvextend --help' for more information. |
| 04:06.50 | rawburt | chombat: maybe only in my experience. |
| 04:07.05 | rawburt | s/experience/observations |
| 04:07.31 | Rotaerk | weasel00: you left off the + |
| 04:07.32 | rawburt | chombat: so backup-manager & |
| 04:07.41 | Rotaerk | weasel00: you're *adding* all the remaining volume |
| 04:07.43 | rawburt | alfplayer: thanks |
| 04:07.43 | chombat | yea |
| 04:07.51 | alfplayer | rawburt: you're welcome |
| 04:08.02 | rawburt | chombat: thanks, I'll give it a shot |
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| 04:09.26 | Rotaerk | hmm, is there a way to make aptitude *not* search, install, etc from backports unless I explicitly say so |
| 04:09.29 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: now im more confused.. per the man ""lvextend /dev/vg01/lvol01 /dev/sdk3" tries to extend the size of that logical volume by the amount of free space on physical volume /dev/sdk3. This is equivalent to specifying "-l +100%PVS" on the command line." |
| 04:09.59 | Rotaerk | weasel00: that just means you can leave off the -l argument altogether I guess |
| 04:10.01 | Rotaerk | does that work? |
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| 04:11.21 | weasel00 | nope |
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| 04:12.18 | chombat | zzz |
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| 04:14.13 | nevyn | Rotaerk: ... in /etc/lvm.conf put the cache device before the md devices |
| 04:14.35 | nevyn | Rotaerk: you shouldn't use any of the lvm tools for this. |
| 04:15.13 | nevyn | don't try and do pvcreate on the cache mapper device. this will end badly |
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| 04:15.29 | Rotaerk | ah, should I have been able to figure this out somehow |
| 04:15.45 | Rotaerk | the documentation doesn't seem to cover this kind of thing |
| 04:15.55 | Rotaerk | seems outside normal usage |
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| 04:16.58 | Rotaerk | ah.. man lvm.conf, had I known that existed |
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| 04:18.14 | nevyn | Rotaerk: on the right track now? |
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| 04:18.31 | Rotaerk | yep, trying to find where to put that; the md device is not mentioned in that file |
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| 04:19.09 | nevyn | yeah it is. |
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| 04:21.33 | chombat | :D |
| 04:22.23 | pinkus | when wheezy becomes the new stable, will there be a new testing immediately available, or will it just be sid for awhile? |
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| 04:23.23 | Rotaerk | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/EbtGzwwy |
| 04:23.23 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so what you need is a filter and prefered device. |
| 04:23.24 | sney | pinkus: there will be a new testing available within a week or so of the wheezy release, but immediately post-release testing is widely considered to be insanity |
| 04:23.49 | nevyn | Rotaerk: you're right. I'm thinking of the default file on rhel ;) |
| 04:23.54 | Rotaerk | k |
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| 04:27.10 | chombat | just kidding |
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| 04:28.01 | pinkus | sney: ty for the warning :) but it sound like fun seeing the new testing stabilize. |
| 04:28.37 | sney | pinkus: yeah, if you have an expendable system |
| 04:28.44 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so what you want is. prefered device to be the cache device |
| 04:28.47 | nevyn | that should be enough |
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| 04:30.24 | Rotaerk | nevyn: makes sense; thanks |
| 04:30.53 | Rotaerk | nevyn: though hmm |
| 04:31.26 | nevyn | because as far as lvm is concerned. |
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| 04:31.38 | nevyn | /dev/md0 and /dev/mapper/cachedevice are the same thing |
| 04:31.42 | nevyn | and they are. |
| 04:31.44 | Rotaerk | is lvm just tied to "md1" not "/dev/md1"? |
| 04:31.50 | nevyn | one's just faster for some stuff. |
| 04:32.00 | Rotaerk | well how does lvm know they're the same |
| 04:32.07 | Rotaerk | they're named differently, and in different locations |
| 04:32.10 | nevyn | they have the same pv header on them |
| 04:32.15 | Rotaerk | oh |
| 04:32.16 | nevyn | the contain the same stuff. |
| 04:32.42 | Rotaerk | is there a way to test which of the two is actively being used |
| 04:32.46 | Rotaerk | once I set this up and reboot |
| 04:32.53 | nevyn | pvs ? |
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| 04:33.21 | Rotaerk | oh so that'll update based on the device currently used, k |
| 04:33.43 | nevyn | so vgscan should be able to fix this without a reboot btw |
| 04:33.50 | Rotaerk | oh |
| 04:34.07 | nevyn | I just read this in the config tho. |
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| 04:35.44 | Rotaerk | hmm nope vgscan didn't do it |
| 04:35.48 | nevyn | hrm |
| 04:35.56 | nevyn | so prefered device might not be enough. |
| 04:36.01 | Rotaerk | though perhaps I did something wrong |
| 04:36.17 | nevyn | in that while they're the same content they're not the same block device. |
| 04:36.28 | Rotaerk | my cached device is /dev/md1, and my cache device is /dev/mapper/md1_cache |
| 04:36.29 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so do you have a /dev/mapper/cachedevice? |
| 04:36.36 | nevyn | ok. |
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| 04:37.43 | Rotaerk | nevyn: and I added "/dev/mapper/md1_cache" to the preferred_names list |
| 04:37.49 | nevyn | yeah... |
| 04:38.01 | nevyn | the problem is I'm not 100% that's enough |
| 04:38.36 | nevyn | can you pastebin the output of vgscan -vvv please |
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| 04:41.06 | nevyn | also pvdisplay /dev/md1 and /dev/mapper/md1_cached should give the same result |
| 04:41.28 | Rotaerk | hmm took me a moment to get it piped; realized it's outputting to stderr |
| 04:42.10 | Rotaerk | http://pastebin.com/KcdnNA9b |
| 04:43.56 | Rotaerk | nevyn: pvdisplay *does* give the same result there |
| 04:44.14 | nevyn | well poop. |
| 04:44.28 | Rotaerk | hmm maybe I have to reboot because I'm actually *using* the lv |
| 04:44.46 | Rotaerk | maybe it doesn't want to switch while it's mounted |
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| 04:45.11 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.18 | nevyn | that's not what you want at all. |
| 04:45.22 | Rotaerk | ah |
| 04:45.28 | Rotaerk | lol. |
| 04:45.53 | nevyn | so let's try making this a bit harder for it. |
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| 04:46.57 | Rotaerk | hmm changing the preferred_names to this didn't help: |
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| 04:47.09 | Rotaerk | "^/dev/md1", "/dev/mapper/md1_cache" |
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| 04:47.27 | nevyn | no no nno. |
| 04:47.39 | nevyn | /dev/md1 should NOT be in preferred |
| 04:47.42 | nevyn | at all |
| 04:47.44 | Rotaerk | thats ^ |
| 04:47.57 | Rotaerk | for avoid |
| 04:47.57 | nevyn | that ^ is a bind to start not a not. |
| 04:48.23 | nevyn | no it's not. |
| 04:48.26 | Rotaerk | well I just added this now, so that wasn't the problem before |
| 04:48.30 | nevyn | ok. |
| 04:48.42 | Rotaerk | this isn't regex exactly so |
| 04:48.49 | nevyn | yes it is. |
| 04:49.02 | Rotaerk | hmm |
| 04:49.04 | nevyn | ^ in regex is bind to start. |
| 04:49.09 | nevyn | it's an anchor |
| 04:49.18 | Rotaerk | I was confusing it with the regex expression: [^aoeu] |
| 04:49.20 | Rotaerk | sorry |
| 04:49.46 | nevyn | so I have two thoughts. |
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| 04:49.56 | Rotaerk | I'll add a filter to constrain to just mapper |
| 04:49.59 | nevyn | one is to fiddle with scan to put /dev/mapper before /dev |
| 04:50.04 | gnarface | oreilly makes a really good regex book... |
| 04:50.08 | nevyn | and the other is to change the filter. |
| 04:50.12 | Rotaerk | gnarface: orly? |
| 04:50.42 | gnarface | Rotaerk: "Mastering Regular Expressions" dark blue binding, owl on the cover (i think its up to 3rd edition at least) |
| 04:51.08 | gnarface | Rotaerk: part of it does need to be read twice, but that chapter is clearly marked |
| 04:51.23 | Rotaerk | I prefer to just look up a reference as needed |
| 04:51.43 | Rotaerk | it's a pain to read, but its rules are simple |
| 04:51.53 | Rotaerk | well can be a pain to read, for complex ones |
| 04:52.14 | Rotaerk | nevyn: order in scan didn't help, trying filter |
| 04:52.32 | nevyn | ok so |
| 04:52.51 | nevyn | a|cache| should be enough... |
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| 04:53.54 | Rotaerk | why the a |
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| 04:54.13 | nevyn | accept devices that contain the string cache |
| 04:54.24 | Rotaerk | oh, so that's accept/reject |
| 04:54.27 | nevyn | yep |
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| 04:55.44 | Rotaerk | nevyn: wtf.. |
| 04:55.47 | Rotaerk | still no cookie |
| 04:55.47 | Rotaerk | hmm |
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| 04:55.55 | larvatar | hola |
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| 04:56.47 | Rotaerk | nevyn: ah I see.. |
| 04:56.55 | Rotaerk | http://osdir.com/ml/linux-lvm/2010-05/msg00013.html |
| 04:57.02 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: just found this of it helps at all... http://wiki.debian.org/SSDoptimization |
| 04:57.36 | Rotaerk | hmm cool |
| 04:58.02 | nevyn | hehe you're so far ahead of where that doc is :) |
| 04:58.35 | weasel00 | sorry havent been keepig up with the convo.. still trying to get this disk added to my lvm |
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| 04:58.58 | nevyn | weasel00: what's the situation.. /me looks ins scrollback |
| 04:59.35 | dclarke | Please, where can I get the most recetn dittorrent downloads for Debian "testing" ? I see http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-dvd/ is "stable" but there appears to be no testing tree there |
| 04:59.40 | weasel00 | nevyn: trying to add a new disk to an existing lvm array |
| 04:59.45 | nevyn | ok. |
| 04:59.52 | Rotaerk | weasel00: +100%FREE didn't work? |
| 04:59.53 | nevyn | weasel00: are you using md? |
| 05:00.02 | Rotaerk | (and without the -l argument altogether) |
| 05:00.27 | weasel00 | Rotaerk: still get the same space error.. the -l is required if i am reading the man correctly |
| 05:00.28 | chombat | aaaaaaaaaaa |
| 05:00.42 | Rotaerk | weasel00: try +99%FREE ? :D |
| 05:00.46 | nevyn | weasel00: is the space availible in the vg? |
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| 05:02.01 | tuv | is there any reason to keep using ext4 vs. btrfs? (laptop ssd) |
| 05:02.17 | nevyn | weasel00: so you've done the pvcreate on the new device ? and vgextend newdevice ? |
| 05:02.46 | weasel00 | nevyn: the vg is 100% utilized but only 50% full; caught a sale and wanted to add another 3TB drive to the array. setup the disk, added it to the pool, set it to the volume group but cant extend it to use the new drive.. |
| 05:02.50 | dclarke | never mind .. found it http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 05:03.54 | nevyn | ok... |
| 05:04.04 | nevyn | weasel00: are you using pure lvm or lvm on md? |
| 05:04.27 | nevyn | weasel00: are you using lvm to do mirroring? |
| 05:04.32 | weasel00 | nevyn: pure |
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| 05:04.43 | nevyn | and are you doing mirroring. |
| 05:04.47 | chombat | woops |
| 05:04.53 | weasel00 | nevyn: no mirroring |
| 05:04.55 | chombat | narf |
| 05:05.50 | nevyn | weasel00: what's the output of vgs ? |
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| 05:06.04 | nevyn | weasel00: actuall lvs vgs and pvs |
| 05:06.13 | Rotaerk | hmm, removing the cache didn't seem to help |
| 05:06.14 | nevyn | could you pastebin that? |
| 05:06.30 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so /etc/lvm/cache/.cache yeah? |
| 05:06.37 | Rotaerk | yep |
| 05:07.16 | weasel00 | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/EJsRWGap << w/o the new drive |
| 05:07.33 | Rotaerk | that file only lists valid devices it looks like |
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| 05:07.48 | Rotaerk | and both /dev/md1 and /dev/mapper/md1_cache are listed |
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| 05:09.27 | Rotaerk | nevyn: are you sure the device listed as PV should update in pvs? |
| 05:09.46 | Rotaerk | oh nm, that's not the only indicator... there's the output of -vvv |
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| 05:10.07 | weasel00 | nevyn: this is better > http://pastebin.com/Ud7FJ39R |
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| 05:11.44 | Rotaerk | nevyn: aha, got it working. |
| 05:12.11 | nevyn | Rotaerk: what did you need? |
| 05:12.17 | nevyn | weasel00: ok. |
| 05:12.25 | Rotaerk | had to make the filter: [ "a|cache|", "r/.*/" ] |
| 05:12.31 | Rotaerk | though that's not ideal... hmm |
| 05:12.42 | nevyn | so I was trying to avoid that. |
| 05:12.51 | nevyn | because now /dev/md1 is NEVER accepted |
| 05:13.02 | Rotaerk | I wonder what happens if I remove that and rerun vgscan |
| 05:13.19 | nevyn | try it. |
| 05:13.35 | Rotaerk | darn, it goes back to md1; was hoping it was ONLY preferring md1 because it was the one currently being used |
| 05:13.45 | nevyn | Rotaerk: yeah I hear you. |
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| 05:15.20 | nevyn | weasel00: ok. so lvextend -l +100G /dev/data/data_volume |
| 05:15.28 | nevyn | weasel00: let's start small for a second. |
| 05:15.48 | weasel00 | invalid argument +100G |
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| 05:16.51 | weasel00 | ahh capital L |
| 05:16.55 | nevyn | yeah |
| 05:17.03 | nevyn | -l is extents |
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| 05:17.15 | weasel00 | nevyn: Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume data_volume: 25600 more required |
| 05:18.04 | weasel00 | nevyn: this is where i get stuck.. its like i am missing obvious |
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| 05:20.26 | Rotaerk | nevyn: I think preferred_names doesn't even affect the actual device it uses; I think it just controls the name used in output any time they need to refer to that block device |
| 05:21.05 | nevyn | weasel00: check the details of the lv. |
| 05:21.24 | nevyn | what's the allocation policy for data_volume |
| 05:22.28 | weasel00 | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/tMC8XeGU |
| 05:23.03 | weasel00 | nevyn: how can i check that? |
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| 05:23.35 | zeptis | hello all |
| 05:23.37 | nevyn | so suitable extents... |
| 05:24.15 | zeptis | I've broken my nvidia module for Xorg. Anyone have specific knowledge on rebuilding this? |
| 05:24.31 | Rotaerk | hmm, I may just have to live with filtering out the md1 |
| 05:24.40 | Rotaerk | and manually unfilter it if the SSD dies |
| 05:24.54 | Rotaerk | doesn't seem to support prioritization |
| 05:25.26 | nevyn | weasel00: try lvextend /dev/data/data_volume /dev/sdd |
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| 05:26.07 | nevyn | if that fails the problem will almost certainly be stripe which there are a couple of ways of fixing. |
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| 05:27.16 | kephra | where can I find a linux kernel and initrd suitable for netboot of wheezy - boot tells me: kernel to old, when trying 2.6.26 |
| 05:27.26 | kephra | for i386 |
| 05:27.58 | weasel00 | nevyn: http://pastebin.com/pkPU8xbN .. it is striped is that the problem? |
| 05:28.27 | kephra | ... and I of course also need the right lib/modules/ |
| 05:29.14 | nevyn | weasel00: yep. |
| 05:29.27 | nevyn | so. there are two ways to solve this. |
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| 05:31.01 | Rotaerk | hmm I wonder if there's a way to setup my own mapped device which is equivalent to one of a list of devices |
| 05:31.08 | Rotaerk | a prioritized list * |
| 05:31.20 | Rotaerk | and then make THAT be the one and only device for the volume group |
| 05:31.29 | weasel00 | i am not understanding how the errors connect with the fact that is it striped. because lvextend appears to take the strip into consideration then complains about lack of space on the PVs... o.O |
| 05:31.31 | Rotaerk | then i put md1 and md1_cache in that list |
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| 05:32.54 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so... you could do this with multipath but we're in the land of nuts stuff now... |
| 05:33.11 | Rotaerk | nevyn: lol. |
| 05:33.50 | zeptis | hello again, what's the syntax for apt-get'ting myself the linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 05:34.12 | Rotaerk | zeptis: why not aptitude? aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 05:34.25 | nevyn | Rotaerk: but you're insane enough to listen to me who knows how far down the rabbit hole you caould get. |
| 05:34.31 | Rotaerk | lol |
| 05:34.36 | zeptis | thank you, rotaerk, I will now try this in my next tty |
| 05:35.25 | nevyn | Rotaerk: so multipathd is used where you have multiple block devices which are equivilents to glue them together. |
| 05:35.37 | kephra | *hm* kernel and initrd from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ results in: Kernel panic - mounting none on /proc failed: device or resource busy |
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| 05:36.06 | nevyn | rotaerk: http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/MultipathUsageGuide |
| 05:36.17 | zeptis | Rotaerk: two issues 1. Aptitude does not find my files 2. what do I use to make aptitude more verbose, it flashes pertitent info for milliseconds and then clears it. |
| 05:36.31 | zeptis | lol, this is what I get for xorg edging |
| 05:36.40 | Rotaerk | zeptis: you need to setup /etc/apt/sources.list properly |
| 05:36.43 | Rotaerk | and then aptitude update |
| 05:36.49 | Rotaerk | also do this via su |
| 05:36.51 | Rotaerk | err sudo |
| 05:37.19 | Rotaerk | nevyn: meh, I think the effort of adding another layer wouldn't buy me much |
| 05:37.33 | Rotaerk | this would just be automatic-accounting for the SSD failing, and I can just handle that manually |
| 05:37.40 | zeptis | thank you kindly, Rotaerk. The kernel headers are placed in the security section of debian, no? |
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| 05:38.20 | zeptis | is a bad person for not using nouveau drivers |
| 05:38.52 | nevyn | why are you installing the headers? |
| 05:38.58 | nevyn | !nvidia |
| 05:38.59 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . Ask me about <nouveau> (no 3D support in Debian packages), <nvidia dkms> or <nvidia m-a>. For GPUs made before 2004, see <nvidia dkms-173xx> and <nvidia dkms-96xx> for legacy drivers. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:39.12 | Rotaerk | nevyn: though wait a sec... /etc/lvm is located *within* the logical volume |
| 05:39.32 | Rotaerk | so if it tells the logical volume to use the cache device only, and the cache device fails |
| 05:39.35 | Rotaerk | can i recover from that |
| 05:39.40 | nevyn | Rotaerk: but it's also in the initrd |
| 05:40.07 | zeptis | nevyn: I just did a dist-upgrade, but my module for nvidia fell out; I need to rebuild the module |
| 05:40.10 | weasel00 | nevyn: any more insight into why the lvextend is failing? |
| 05:40.20 | nevyn | weasel00: oh I totally know |
| 05:40.33 | nevyn | because your current stripe is 2 |
| 05:40.43 | zeptis | I just need to know which repos the headers are in, at this point. |
| 05:41.16 | nevyn | the main ones |
| 05:41.17 | weasel00 | is confused |
| 05:41.29 | Rotaerk | hmm this is good enough for today, and the foreseeable future, will move on to actually ... installing stuff tomorrow |
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| 05:41.37 | zeptis | nevyn: seriously? |
| 05:41.47 | nevyn | zeptis: headers are in main. |
| 05:41.55 | nevyn | zeptis: nvidia drivers are in non-free |
| 05:43.02 | Rotaerk | actually, is there any way I can get visibility into the SSD to see for sure that it's actually being utilized |
| 05:43.27 | nevyn | flashcache utils can do this |
| 05:43.31 | Rotaerk | k |
| 05:43.37 | nevyn | Rotaerk: pvs should show it as the pv tho |
| 05:43.38 | nevyn | as well |
| 05:43.43 | Rotaerk | yea it does |
| 05:43.52 | Rotaerk | I just want more confidence that that's not a cosmetic change |
| 05:44.12 | Rotaerk | i.e. that it isn't simply reporting the same exact device by a different name on the grounds that they're the same device |
| 05:44.23 | Rotaerk | (without actually USING the cache) |
| 05:44.27 | lkthomas | anyone know if LXDE have any desktop widget availble ? |
| 05:44.40 | nevyn | Rotaerk: ok. |
| 05:44.47 | nevyn | I found how to fix this to notsuck. |
| 05:44.47 | Rotaerk | will try the flashcache utils |
| 05:44.54 | Rotaerk | oh? |
| 05:45.07 | nevyn | if you look at man vgchange there's a prefered device there |
| 05:45.11 | lidar | lkthomas, what kind of widget ? |
| 05:45.12 | nevyn | this is currently /dev/md1 |
| 05:45.13 | zeptis | nevyn: I have the main wheezy contrib and non-free all in /etc/apt/sources.list, but still cannot find my headers. |
| 05:45.24 | zeptis | lol |
| 05:45.36 | zeptis | is it filed under backports or security? |
| 05:45.42 | lkthomas | lidar: world clock |
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| 05:46.00 | nevyn | zeptis: are you using a current kernel? |
| 05:46.23 | nevyn | zeptis: what kernel are you running? |
| 05:46.44 | zeptis | nevyn: I'm running 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 05:46.52 | lidar | lkthomas, seems simple enough let me research! |
| 05:48.08 | zeptis | nevyn: which is current for Wheezy, right now? |
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| 05:48.42 | evil-man | zecrazytux: Wheezy uses 3.2 kernel. |
| 05:48.44 | nevyn | so 2.6.32-5-headers should exist |
| 05:48.55 | nevyn | read squeeze |
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| 05:49.45 | pinkus | uname -r on my squeeze box confirms that. |
| 05:50.00 | zeptis | nevyn: am I being stupid? here's my syntax: "# apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32-5-amd64" < would be my input |
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| 05:50.13 | nevyn | yes. |
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| 05:50.35 | zeptis | lmao |
| 05:50.39 | nevyn | headers are arch independant |
| 05:50.40 | pinkus | zeptis: try this # apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:50.58 | zeptis | okay, pinkus; brb tty3 |
| 05:51.22 | zeptis | same output, pinkus |
| 05:51.23 | pinkus | those are both backticks |
| 05:51.28 | nevyn | not quotes. |
| 05:51.33 | pinkus | nope |
| 05:51.33 | weasel00 | nevyn: so if i understand this correctly i screwed myself by striping the volume |
| 05:51.40 | nevyn | pinkus: should of $() |
| 05:51.44 | nevyn | weasel00: not exactly. |
| 05:51.46 | zeptis | I used $(uname -r) |
| 05:51.51 | Rotaerk | nevyn: the only flashcache utils I have are create, load, and destroy |
| 05:52.04 | Rotaerk | in the non-debian-package version that I had, I noticed there were some more binaries that built |
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| 05:52.08 | lidar | lkthomas, have you tried screenlets ? |
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| 05:52.28 | Rotaerk | was it one of those that you're referring to for checking whether the device is actually being used |
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| 05:53.30 | Rotaerk | heh vaguely directed yes |
| 05:53.31 | weasel00 | nevyn: just reading up on this... i can add a non-stripe device to the volume and it appears the only downside is a preformance decrease because it's not striped? |
| 05:53.39 | Rotaerk | err just responded to history |
| 05:53.54 | nevyn | weasel00: so before you do that. |
| 05:54.13 | nevyn | weasel00: I was poking around to find if there's a way to have lvm restripe the existing lv. |
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| 05:54.45 | Rotaerk | nevyn: what version of LVM are you looking at the man page for that indicates there's a "preferred device"? I don't see that in mine |
| 05:54.59 | Rotaerk | I'm using 2.02.66(2) |
| 05:55.29 | zeptis | so, my line in /etc/apt/sources.list is "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ wheezy main contrib non-free" |
| 05:55.38 | zeptis | so it should be there, no? |
| 05:55.42 | nevyn | yeah. might be a bum stear. |
| 05:55.50 | zeptis | bum stear? |
| 05:55.53 | nevyn | zeptis: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 05:56.02 | zeptis | got it, nevyn |
| 05:56.21 | pinkus | or "aptitude search linux-headers" to see what you have installed already, if any |
| 05:56.30 | lkthomas | lidar: yes, doesn't work as expected |
| 05:56.32 | nevyn | zeptis: that was for Rotaerk a "bum steer" is australian slang for a bad move or dud. |
| 05:56.58 | weasel00 | its the same in the midwest-usa |
| 05:57.07 | Rotaerk | heh k |
| 05:57.10 | pinkus | i dont think you need a / after the url in your repo |
| 05:57.16 | Rotaerk | well, anyway, gotta go to bed |
| 05:57.26 | Rotaerk | thanks a lot for the help nevyn |
| 05:58.17 | zeptis | nevyn: good to know more aussie lingo; also, I have 3.2.0-3-all, and 2.6-amd64 |
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| 05:58.53 | zeptis | I also have the linux-headers-amd64 meta package. |
| 05:59.06 | weasel00 | nevyn: would it make more sense for me to move the data off and recreate the lvm non-striped? |
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| 06:02.16 | zeptis | so, next order of business: how do I upgrade a kernel? XD |
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| 06:04.04 | lidar | zeptis, kernels are fun |
| 06:04.30 | zeptis | lidar: I have the kernel headers for 3.2.0-3-amd64, so might as well grab that one, eh? |
| 06:04.41 | nevyn | zeptis: apt-get install linux-image-soemversion-somearch[-somefeature] |
| 06:05.00 | zeptis | well, here's hoping apt-get isn't also borked |
| 06:05.09 | nevyn | apt/aptitude whatever. |
| 06:05.15 | zeptis | even though it installed links2 and irssi fine |
| 06:05.15 | nevyn | I don't think anything's borked. |
| 06:05.33 | nevyn | I just think that the kernel you're running doesn't have a -headers in the archive anymore. |
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| 06:06.12 | lidar | zeptis, i always used vanilla sources from kernel.org |
| 06:06.17 | nevyn | weasel00: so. you could do --alloc any on the lvextend. |
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| 06:06.41 | zeptis | okay, I have the image, how to I swap it? |
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| 06:07.03 | nevyn | it's done. reboot. |
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| 06:07.16 | zeptis | okay, brb init 6, thanks for all of the help |
| 06:07.26 | zeptis | I will report back |
| 06:07.37 | nevyn | init6 seriously who uses that? |
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| 06:10.05 | weasel00 | nevyn: what kind of option should i use for the --alloc? "any" is not a valid policy apparently =D |
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| 06:10.58 | namoamitabuddha | How can I compile a deb from testing for stable? |
| 06:11.10 | namoamitabuddha | backport |
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| 06:11.34 | namoamitabuddha | If there's no such package in stable-backport |
| 06:11.52 | LiDaR | hello again ! |
| 06:11.57 | namoamitabuddha | Hello |
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| 06:12.54 | nevyn | weasel00: so... you could be tricky. and move a gig worth of extents off each disk and onto the new one. |
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| 06:13.27 | nevyn | or you could just convert it to linear and wear the peformance hit. |
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| 06:15.06 | weasel00 | nevyn: performance isnt an issue and just means no more developing or music for a while... |
| 06:15.06 | namoamitabuddha | How can I check it? |
| 06:15.13 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell namoamitabuddha about ssb |
| 06:15.46 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: just replace sid with wheezy in the instructions |
| 06:16.02 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: I remember there's a function of dpkg to check whether a package could be compiled in that way. |
| 06:16.17 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: Some packages, say pidgin, couldn't. |
| 06:16.19 | jelly-home | namoamitabuddha: /msg judd checkbackport foo |
| 06:16.43 | jelly-home | it doesn't say much about compiling, but checks for build dependencies |
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| 06:18.23 | nevyn | weasel00: so I'd try lvconvert -m0 --stripes 3 data_volume |
| 06:18.30 | nevyn | just to see if that'll fix it up. |
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| 06:20.23 | weasel00 | Logical volume data_volume converted. |
| 06:20.44 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: Eh, maybe I have not said clearly. For example, some package foo depends on a newer glibc, therefore we could never expect that it could be compiled in stable. |
| 06:21.06 | namoamitabuddha | jelly-home: I remember there's some bot telling me that. |
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| 06:22.06 | nevyn | so did it redistribute stuff across all pvs? |
| 06:22.34 | weasel00 | nope |
| 06:23.27 | weasel00 | but it did let me "lvextend /dev/data/data_volume /dev/sdd --alloc anywhere" successfully and now its using the new drive |
| 06:23.44 | nevyn | bugger. |
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| 06:24.21 | nevyn | weasel00: before you grow the filesystem... |
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| 06:24.59 | nevyn | I would have tried --repair data_volume /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdd |
| 06:25.05 | nevyn | and seen if it re-balanced it |
| 06:26.32 | weasel00 | nevyn: with this drive in there i wont touch this again for another 6 months.. for xmas ill setup a new server and wont stripe the lvm for sake of sanity |
| 06:27.04 | weasel00 | thanks nevyn |
| 06:27.22 | nevyn | meh. striping is good it gives linear read performance with number of spindles |
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| 06:30.21 | raptor67682 | a question. in debain stable packages/sourcelist, is there a program that allow to run a program wiht a making sure that the whole CPU (htop/top) is at 10% only max (set to max = 10%) |
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| 06:31.53 | ChrisH | raptor67682: 1. Are you looking for Ressource Management (limit CPU Usage per Process to max. 10%) or a stress test tool to create 10% Load? 2. Why do you want to do that? |
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| 06:32.24 | raptor67682 | ChrisH: to ressource management ... to run a ffmpeg at slow cpu speed |
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| 06:32.47 | raptor67682 | and keep cool my CPU ;) |
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| 06:33.51 | ChrisH | raptor67682: isn't nice sufficent? |
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| 06:35.36 | raptor67682 | ChrisH: but with nice you cannot limit it ... you simply put a given process to priority to the cpu |
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| 06:36.40 | raptor67682 | <away> |
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| 06:37.44 | specing | raptor67682: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/cpufreq/scaling_max_speed |
| 06:37.45 | zeptis | yo~ |
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| 06:39.14 | zeptis | how do I enable bootlogging if I don't have a /etc/default/bootlogd file? |
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| 06:40.42 | ChrisH | cpulimit seems to be what he is looking for. |
| 06:41.57 | LiDaR | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:42.28 | zeptis | yes, I'm there, LiDaR: if I don't have a bootlogd, is it okay to just make one? |
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| 06:48.00 | nevyn | I don't see how this is better than dmesg and /var/log/dmesg but whatever... |
| 06:48.01 | zeptis | yep, something threw an error when I restarted, and now I have two network icons in my Tint2 bar |
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| 07:57.15 | technologov | hi all ! I have trouble installing Debian Wheezy on my Qosmio Laptop. Installer fails during "Detect Network Hardware" phase |
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| 07:58.03 | technologov | console (F4) shows something about missing iwl Intel Wireless firmware, yet Debian 6.0 installs and works great on same hardware ! |
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| 08:00.19 | nevyn | !firmware |
| 08:00.20 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 08:00.59 | technologov | nevyn, d-i fails way without any option to provide such firmware. |
| 08:01.21 | nevyn | technologov: it should prompt but it shouldn't be fatal anyway |
| 08:01.25 | nevyn | !installer firmware |
| 08:01.26 | dpkg | Debian-Installer since Lenny is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04 and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>. http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 08:01.54 | nevyn | if it's fatal on the wheezy installer it's a bug. |
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| 08:12.29 | kephra | i have a problem starting X11 "FATAL: Module i915 not found", but CONFIG_DRM_I915=y is in my kernel .config ... debian i386 squeeze on an eeepc 701 |
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| 08:14.25 | nevyn | kephra: do you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed? |
| 08:14.37 | kephra | nevyn, yes |
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| 08:15.08 | nevyn | kephra: modinfo -a i915 ? |
| 08:15.43 | kephra | nevyn, its not a module, but compiled in kernel with =y |
| 08:15.53 | nevyn | oh.. yeah that's a bad move. |
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| 08:16.51 | kephra | Xorg -configure detects the intel graphics - but startx fails |
| 08:17.53 | nevyn | do you have a xorg.conf ? |
| 08:17.54 | kephra | kernel worked with gentoo, but I want to give this eeepc to my stepdaughter as a gift ... and debian is much easier, imho |
| 08:18.17 | kephra | nevyn, yes copied the one that Xorg -configure created to /etc/X11 |
| 08:18.41 | nevyn | kephra: so... did it work with the stock kernel? |
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| 08:19.01 | kephra | dont know - did not install a debian kernel ;-) |
| 08:19.19 | remyvv | anyone updating to 6.0.5? i'm currently using 6.0.4 and want to know if its worth upgrading |
| 08:19.42 | kephra | its an eeepc requiring some tricks with battery and ath0 |
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| 08:21.13 | nevyn | you installed debian right? |
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| 08:21.44 | kephra | debian squeeze i386 - installed by debootstrap on a server, and booted by pxe |
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| 08:24.55 | kephra | the questions is: is it possible to tell the debian Xorg not to try to modprobe i915, but to use the one that is already in the kernel |
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| 08:26.45 | kephra | or ... it might be possible that squeeze requires a 'newer' kernel - currently 2.6.25.4 |
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| 08:27.33 | nevyn | so why are you dbootstraping this box? |
| 08:27.49 | kephra | because it has no cdrom or other external media |
| 08:27.56 | nevyn | it's got usb ports |
| 08:28.04 | nevyn | and I know that box boots of usb I've done it. |
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| 08:28.34 | nevyn | a 4gig usb stick is a giveaway item. |
| 08:28.40 | nevyn | you're making this insanely hard. |
| 08:28.58 | kephra | i always install by debootstrap on server first: boot into backup |
| 08:29.10 | kephra | so my backup exists, before I even install a system |
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| 08:29.40 | kephra | and I can run the 'backup' inside an linux-container |
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| 08:31.10 | specing | Gentoo <3 |
| 08:32.07 | pLT-m3 | Gentoo - desktop, Debian - server : my solution :3 |
| 08:32.19 | specing | yep |
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| 08:32.24 | specing | same here |
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| 08:32.40 | kephra | i've tried gentoo a few years ago - but it was a maintenance nightmare |
| 08:32.45 | specing | except I have some more time so I have Gentoo on a server too :) |
| 08:33.26 | pLT-m3 | Is it production server? |
| 08:33.35 | specing | It is my home server |
| 08:33.42 | pLT-m3 | ok :3 |
| 08:33.42 | specing | on an alix embedded box |
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| 08:34.22 | specing | It first ran voyage (flash friendly debian) but it was just too soulless for me |
| 08:36.03 | FilipeMaia | Does anyone know if there are small qsfp to cx4 adapters? |
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| 08:43.28 | oggei | aloha |
| 08:44.08 | ksuhku | salam aleikum |
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| 08:49.18 | kephra | aleikum salam |
| 08:49.20 | oggei | aleik salam |
| 08:49.25 | oggei | ah |
| 08:49.30 | oggei | :) |
| 08:49.56 | kephra | take care, if someone tells "sa'am aleikum" ;-) |
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| 08:53.46 | ksk | kephra: cuz?^^ |
| 08:54.34 | kephra | ksk, its a different radikal ;-) |
| 08:54.58 | kephra | means poison or death |
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| 08:57.44 | jokerdino | hey guys, i have a question |
| 08:57.54 | jokerdino | I saw this on debian wiki: "Use the stable installer in expert mode and choose to install unstable. The option of installing unstable from the stable installer has not been given the same amount of attention as the option of using the stable installer to install stable so this method may lead to problems." |
| 08:58.06 | jokerdino | can someone tell me where exactly is that option? |
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| 08:59.14 | Dewi | jokerdino: not sure. are you in expert mode? |
| 08:59.28 | Dewi | (it's a different option from the installer CD boot menu) |
| 08:59.28 | jokerdino | i was. but i can't seem to find it anywhere |
| 08:59.37 | jokerdino | i chose text expert. |
| 09:00.00 | Dewi | sorry, can't help you. Last time I did it there was no option and you had to install stable then upgrade |
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| 09:00.18 | kephra | ksk, and btw, avoid the word 'cuz' thats sounds like vagina |
| 09:00.41 | Dewi | kephra: what have you got against vagina? |
| 09:01.51 | ksk | :P |
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| 09:02.56 | jokerdino | cuz sounds like what? this is the first time i hear someone saying that |
| 09:03.13 | Xillie | hello, when I try to run prboom in framebuffer console I get SDL: unable to find mouse yet I have a ps/2 mouse working.....can anyone help me? |
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| 09:03.23 | mecho | HELLO |
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| 09:04.49 | evil-man | no mouse, no cry |
| 09:05.03 | mecho | FREE SHELL !!! |
| 09:05.15 | Dewi | jokerdino: outside the states it sounds short for 'cousin', since "because" and "cuz" are not even close sounds |
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| 09:05.33 | kephra | jokerdino, you joined after we exchanged arabic greetings - "cuz ummak" is a common insult |
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| 09:06.16 | jokerdino | right. i don't probably know of the various cultural meanings behind it. would coz work well? |
| 09:06.17 | Dewi | kephra: ah I see |
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| 09:06.47 | Dewi | jokerdino: yeah, in australia at least |
| 09:07.11 | jokerdino | good :) |
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| 09:07.54 | jokerdino | since i cant install unstable from stable installer, can i ask what packages can i remove from stable so i get a leaner package to upgrade? |
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| 09:10.47 | Dewi | jokerdino: unless a really fundamental package has been removed, I expect the minimal set to be very similar |
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| 09:11.36 | jokerdino | Dewi: i have a squeeze gnome live iso and i want to install it and upgrade to wheezy or better still, sid. |
| 09:11.47 | Dewi | jokerdino: when you get to tasksel (https://tobias-bartel.de/sites/tobias-bartel.de/files/debian-cd-tut/Tasksel.png) don't select anything |
| 09:11.47 | knobo | What is the command line tool to administrate an manage init scripts? |
| 09:12.00 | knobo | Like tell init to not start apache |
| 09:12.02 | jokerdino | i can't download another iso, becaues my network blocks it |
| 09:12.15 | knobo | and tell it to start nginx in stead |
| 09:12.33 | Dewi | jokerdino: if the iso has the installer on it it should be fine |
| 09:13.17 | jokerdino | Dewi: is that text expert? |
| 09:13.44 | jokerdino | i just started installation through GUI normal |
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| 09:14.32 | ksuhku | knobo, you mean sysv-rc-conf? |
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| 09:16.07 | knobo | I guess insserv is what I'm looking for. |
| 09:16.15 | knobo | I'll just read the man page first |
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| 09:17.13 | berarma | knobo: you better use update-rc.d |
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| 09:17.39 | knobo | berarma: looks like it yes |
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| 09:19.03 | knobo | update-rc.d: warning: apache2 start runlevel arguments (none) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 4 5) |
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| 09:20.20 | ksuhku | knobo, you'll want at least 2 (the default runlevel) |
| 09:20.39 | ksuhku | knobo, edit the INIT INFO |
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| 09:21.14 | berarma | knobo: it's just a warning |
| 09:21.29 | ksuhku | yeah but no runlevels, no action |
| 09:21.49 | berarma | ksuhku: he wants to disable apache |
| 09:22.14 | ksuhku | ah, you're right, there's a parameter for that though |
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| 09:40.20 | knobo | this update-rc.d script does not work. I'll do it manually, |
| 09:41.03 | knobo | I've set # Default-Stop: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
| 09:41.20 | knobo | update-rc.d -f apache2 defaults |
| 09:41.35 | knobo | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (2 3 4 5) of script `apache2' overwrites defaults (empty). |
| 09:41.40 | knobo | and it does not update it. |
| 09:41.51 | specing | heh |
| 09:41.58 | specing | I <3 OpenRC |
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| 09:45.12 | Sevet | knobo: that warning mentions start runlevels, what's Default-Start set to? |
| 09:45.40 | knobo | Sevet: nothing |
| 09:46.01 | Sevet | that's why then |
| 09:46.08 | knobo | it warns that the links in rcN.d does not match, I think |
| 09:46.42 | ksuhku | Manual page update-rc.d(8) line 74: "If defaults is used then update-rc.d will make links to start the service in runlevels 2345 and to stop the service in runlevels 016." |
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| 09:48.22 | Sevet | it's warning because Default-Start is empty, you need to set those runlevels if you want to use defaults. or use update-rc.d start/stop to set manually. |
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| 09:54.14 | kephra | is there a way to get hotplug usb-stick mount (for vfat), without installing a full bloat desktop environment? |
| 09:55.25 | kephra | and related, is there a simple file manager, without kde or gnome bloat? |
| 09:55.34 | ksk | kephra: take a look at "usbmount" |
| 09:55.52 | ksuhku | and "mc" |
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| 09:56.27 | kephra | thanks |
| 09:56.30 | ksuhku | or perhaps "pcmanfm" |
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| 09:57.03 | zetheroo | does Wheezy support ESATA without additional drivers? |
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| 09:57.56 | jelly | zetheroo: it ought to. |
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| 09:59.33 | sharket | hello |
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| 10:00.05 | zetheroo | I have an ESATA card in the server and an ESATA external hdd plugged in ... |
| 10:00.46 | sharket | how can i know which scsi drivers should i use to use my SAS's disks ? |
| 10:02.09 | zetheroo | I cannot see the Esata HDD in the output of df -h |
| 10:02.25 | ksuhku | is it mounted? |
| 10:02.34 | jelly | zetheroo: does you eSATA card support sata 2 spec and hotplug? |
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| 10:02.46 | zetheroo | jelly: not sure |
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| 10:03.00 | zetheroo | jelly: I am trying to find out what type of card it is with lspci |
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| 10:03.27 | jelly | zetheroo: paste its full lspci -nn line, please |
| 10:03.30 | relik | Hello do i have to add a udev rule if i want to monitor for usb stick connect or disconnects? |
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| 10:03.47 | relik | Hello do i have to add a udev rule if i want to monitor for usb stick connect or disconnects? Or is that default? |
| 10:04.14 | zetheroo | jelly: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1175541/ |
| 10:04.43 | jelly | zetheroo: do I have to guess which one is it? |
| 10:05.02 | jelly | ,pciid 1095:3132 |
| 10:05.03 | judd | [1095:3132] is 'SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller' from 'Silicon Image, Inc.' with kernel module 'sata_sil24' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1095:3132 |
| 10:05.10 | zetheroo | jelly: I am tryingto do that myself |
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| 10:06.23 | zetheroo | jelly: is this it? 07:00.0 RAID bus controller [0104]: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller [1095:3132] (rev 01) |
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| 10:06.29 | jelly | zetheroo: you can try manually telling it to rescan the bus after plugging in a disk and powering it on |
| 10:06.58 | zetheroo | jelly: how is that accomplished? |
| 10:07.19 | jelly | zetheroo: echo 0 0 0 | tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan will scan all the scsi controllers |
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| 10:07.47 | zetheroo | jelly: ok, done |
| 10:07.59 | sharket | first of all, how can I know which SCSI card do the mainboard has ? |
| 10:08.02 | jelly | zetheroo: or figure out which one is it and only do echo 0 0 0 >> /sys/class/scsi_host/hostRIGHTONE/scan |
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| 10:08.29 | jelly | http://rescan-scsi-bus.sh/ |
| 10:08.54 | sharket | what's that ? |
| 10:09.08 | zetheroo | jelly: if it's still not showing up with df -h what is the next course of action? |
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| 10:09.53 | jelly | zetheroo: df won't show it until it's mounted. Look at dmesg or /var/log/kern.log first to see whether anything new appeared after the rescan |
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| 10:10.35 | jelly | sharket: that's a script that does what zetheroo has done manually, not related to your question |
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| 10:11.27 | zetheroo | jelly: dmesg does not show any difference with the ESATA cable plugged in or unplugged |
| 10:12.06 | jelly | zetheroo: is the disk powered on? |
| 10:12.13 | zetheroo | yes |
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| 10:12.31 | jelly | zetheroo: plug it in; does it appear after a reboot? |
| 10:12.42 | zetheroo | it's an external Sata HDD enclosure with an ESATA cable |
| 10:12.50 | zetheroo | will reboot and see |
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| 10:13.12 | jelly | keep it plugged in during reboot |
| 10:13.17 | zetheroo | ok |
| 10:13.33 | rb2k | hey, anybody know how I can add a new major version of a package to a repo using reprepro and still keep the old version available? |
| 10:13.39 | thomaschaaf | interessting that wheezy uses tmpfs for /tmp now makes lots of problems good thing you can turn it off :) |
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| 10:13.53 | jelly | thomaschaaf: lots of problems? |
| 10:14.11 | jelly | has been using /tmp on tmpfs for years |
| 10:14.13 | ksk | is there a "risk" based multiplayer game in debian? |
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| 10:15.56 | ksk | there is, thx |
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| 10:16.35 | phillips321 | hi all, i have a script and a few files that i have wrote that i would like to turn into a debian package, would someone be able to help |
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| 10:17.27 | berarma | !tell phillips321 -about packaging |
| 10:17.38 | ksuhku | ksk, krisk and xfrisk at least |
| 10:18.07 | berarma | !tell phillips321 -about mentors |
| 10:18.17 | zetheroo | jelly: after reboot I cannot see it in fdisk -l |
| 10:18.17 | berarma | phillips321: these should be useful ^^ |
| 10:18.45 | phillips321 | thanks berarma |
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| 10:20.27 | Sevet | phillips321: you can also look at debian/ in existing packages to see how others have been packaged as examples using 'apt-get source pkgname' |
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| 10:21.39 | phillips321 | my package should be really simple, a few files placed under /pentest/misc/LookLikeXP and two *.desktop icons placed under /usr/share/applications |
| 10:21.52 | phillips321 | there are no C files and nothing to be made, just a few simple bash scripts. |
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| 10:23.23 | jelly | zetheroo: that's weird. I'm gone to lunch, pastebin your /var/log/kern.log for this reboot or dmesg, maybe someone else will take a look at it |
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| 10:25.12 | zetheroo | dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1175564/ |
| 10:25.17 | phillips321 | berarma, reading that link you sent me it says i need a control file but doesnt tell me what the control file is called.... |
| 10:25.38 | berarma | phillips321: control |
| 10:25.50 | phillips321 | lol, thanks |
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| 10:26.47 | zetheroo | /var/log/kern.log : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1175565/ |
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| 10:28.23 | jelly | zetheroo: check your cables and external device, the controller doesn't detect anything on its sata links |
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| 10:28.54 | jelly | zetheroo: try and see whether the same disk and cable works elsewhere, perhaps |
| 10:29.31 | zetheroo | jelly, I just detached this Esata device from another server where it was working fine |
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| 10:31.11 | sep | greeting, i am trying to install the latest citrix reciever from http://www.citrix.com/English/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=2323812&productId=1689163#top ; on a debian 64 bit wheezy. The problem is that it depends on nspluginwrapper from http://nspluginwrapper.org/ there used to be a debian package for this, but http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nspluginwrapper seams to indicate that it was removed after squeeze. anyone know if the packag |
| 10:31.11 | sep | e was renamed, or why it was removed ? and more important, how can i obtain it, so i can install citrix reciver |
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| 10:38.05 | frikinz | sep: why it was removed : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=671846 |
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| 10:38.39 | cyberbootje | Hi, i'm trying to load acpiphp but i get the error: FATAL: Error inserting acpiphp (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/acpiphp.ko): No such device anyone who can help with this? |
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| 10:44.32 | bipul | Hi :( i am looking for help regading NS2 |
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| 10:46.58 | zeptis | Excuse me #debian, anyone here versed in conky? |
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| 10:50.10 | ksuhku | !ask |
| 10:50.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 10:53.09 | montreux | Hi, can U look at http://pastebin.com/gMtCXND7 and tell me, what's is wrong with that munin? All the time for agregated data it returns 'unable to graph'. It's not permission issue. :/ |
| 10:53.42 | zetheroo | what does one have to do to get ESATA working in Debian? |
| 10:53.53 | zeptis | okay then, I have a truetype font that isn't displaying its system name when I use " ls -al /usr/share/fonts", how do I get the font working with conky? |
| 10:55.28 | frikinz | montreux: did you have a look in /var/log/munin ? |
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| 10:57.47 | montreux | frikinz: yes, the error message is as I said: [RRD ERROR] Unable to graph /var/cache/munin/www/agregated/requests/nginx_stats-year.png : opening '': No such file or directory, this message came from munin-graph |
| 10:58.39 | lcc | how can I get a description for a given package? |
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| 10:59.06 | lcc | on the command line. |
| 11:00.20 | frikinz | lcc: apt-cache show |
| 11:00.35 | lcc | cool |
| 11:00.36 | sep | frikinz, thanks. explains why it's gone. is it possible to recompile the ubuntu source package for debian ? |
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| 11:01.08 | frikinz | sep: the bug report I posted contains a link to archived debian .deb package, I'd start there.. |
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| 11:02.53 | amr_ | please help, I did this >>http://www.howtogeek.com/113923/how-to-re-enable-hibernate-in-ubuntu-12.04/ but didn't have hibernate in my menu ? |
| 11:03.08 | ksuhku | !ubuntu |
| 11:03.08 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 11:03.47 | amr_ | sorry |
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| 11:08.25 | cyberbootje | Hi, i'm trying to load acpiphp but i get the error: FATAL: Error inserting acpiphp (/lib/modules/2.6.32-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/acpiphp.ko): No such device anyone who can help with this? |
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| 11:10.20 | tremon | cyberbootje: do your system have that acpi hotplug controller? |
| 11:10.26 | tremon | s/do/&es/ |
| 11:11.26 | cyberbootje | tremon: what do you mean? |
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| 11:12.50 | tremon | cyberbootje: you're trying to load a driver for a piece of hardware, and the kernel can't find that hardware in your system |
| 11:13.04 | brah | I can find a file with find, locate and ls, yet trying to execute it gives me 'No such file or directory' |
| 11:13.07 | brah | What's going on? |
| 11:13.22 | brah | No autocompletion for it either |
| 11:13.32 | cyberbootje | tremon: The HW... well it is listed in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 11:14.12 | brah | Nevermind. It was symlinking to a file that didn't exist. |
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| 11:14.48 | tremon | cyberbootje: what is listed in cpuinfo? can you paste that output somewhere? |
| 11:14.59 | tremon | in general, cpuinfo does not list pci controllers |
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| 11:16.02 | cyberbootje | tremon: cpuinfo is listing acpi http://pastie.org/4615782 |
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| 11:16.34 | cyberbootje | tremon: if i try to load just acpi, it gives me the same error |
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| 11:18.40 | tremon | cyberbootje: acpiphp is a driver for a pci hotplug controller, not a generic acpi handler |
| 11:19.53 | cyberbootje | tremon: so, i need a HW pci hotplug controller? |
| 11:20.05 | tremon | if you insist on using that driver, then yes |
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| 11:21.17 | tremon | but if you could explain what you're trying to achieve, other solutions may be available |
| 11:21.41 | cyberbootje | tremon: well, i just need to hotplug virtual pci adapters in qemu,KVM... that is my goal |
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| 11:22.25 | tremon | and you get that error when you try to modprobe in the host, or in a vm? |
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| 11:22.37 | cyberbootje | on the host |
| 11:23.00 | cyberbootje | don't think i need to load it in the VM |
| 11:23.48 | tremon | depends on what you want to do... if you want to plug in new HW modules in your host and then make them accessible to VMs, then yes, you need a HW pci hotplug module first |
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| 11:24.46 | tremon | if you simply want to add virtual kvm devices to your guests, only the VMs need pci hotplugging |
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| 11:26.14 | NoReflex | hello! does anyone know a channel for email related questions? |
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| 11:27.53 | ksuhku | brah, you get similar behaviour if the file doesn't have execution permission (for the user in question) |
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| 11:31.06 | NoReflex | I'm trying to set up an MTA that will only send messages from one domain. The email is hosted by Google and from what I've read I must add a SPF record to the domain to "authorize" my host to send emails for the domain. So far I've heard of postfix but people say it is difficult to setup and does a LOT more that what I need. |
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| 11:34.33 | NoReflex | any ideas? |
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| 11:35.00 | tremon | NoReflex: spf is still optional fafaik, sending for one domain only is the default for postfix iirc |
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| 11:35.49 | os__ | hi can i search in tags of packages |
| 11:35.50 | os__ | ? |
| 11:36.26 | tremon | although not sure about the latter, my postfix is configured to accept any from: domain but is limited by ip address of the client |
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| 11:36.45 | tremon | os__: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 11:37.28 | os__ | tremon: can i do this with APT? |
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| 11:38.16 | tremon | not sure, I always use aptitude for anything but the simplest search queries |
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| 11:38.30 | os__ | hmm |
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| 11:38.39 | os__ | tremon: thanks |
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| 11:43.54 | masterkorp | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.03 | masterkorp | I upgraded hplip manually |
| 11:44.18 | masterkorp | or with the debian version is the same |
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| 11:47.19 | NoReflex | tremon, looking into postfix now |
| 11:48.42 | frikinz | masterkorp: did you check on the cups web interface? http://localhost:631/ |
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| 11:52.21 | masterkorp | frikinz: yes |
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| 11:52.35 | masterkorp | its says its operational and working |
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| 11:53.30 | frikinz | and print test page doesn't work in "Printer->print test page" ? |
| 11:53.40 | halt__ | Hi all! I'm searchnig for a tool on debian like the rpm has for package validation is the aptitude or the dpkg apt-get any of this can do something like this ? |
| 11:54.16 | cmbrnt | I'm trying to zcat /var/log/auth.log*, but since .log and .log.1 is unpacked, I get warnings for those files. Is it possible to make zcat treat unpacked files as regular cat would? |
| 11:54.24 | halt__ | like this http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ch-rpm-verify.html |
| 11:55.07 | frikinz | cmbrnt: zcat -f ? |
| 11:55.15 | cassio | hi. I'm running sid and I'm having a weird issue. I installed jed with aptitude and it pulled some dependencies along with it, like slsh. When i try to uninstall it, the dependencies are not removed... i tried installing/removing with apt-get and same results. it seems like I'm hitting bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495711 is that it? i think automatic packages should be removed automatically by aptitude |
| 11:55.39 | cmbrnt | frikinz: ah, there it is |
| 11:55.40 | cmbrnt | thanks! |
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| 11:55.54 | Sevet | cassio: apt-get autoremove |
| 11:56.08 | masterkorp | frikinz: no, the job is completed and the system says everything OK, but the printe does nothing |
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| 11:58.09 | cassio | Sevet, in the past that was done automatically (at least by aptitude). now it's back to manual? |
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| 11:58.39 | berarma | cassio: I think it's configurable |
| 11:59.03 | ChrisH | halt__: All debian package are signed and signature gets checked during installation process... does that answer your question? |
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| 12:00.35 | abrotman | the repos are signed? |
| 12:00.55 | halt__ | ChrisH I want to check one old server so no this is't what I'm searching for, after it has been installed I want to check it is it modifyed or not. |
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| 12:01.07 | frikinz | debsums? |
| 12:01.08 | abrotman | halt__: debsums |
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| 12:01.22 | ChrisH | abrotman: the packages/deb are signed... or am I wrong there? |
| 12:01.32 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 12:01.32 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 12:02.16 | abrotman | ChrisH: i could be wrong as well, i thought the repo was signed, and the packages had checksums .. but it still doesn't answer his question, debsums does :) |
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| 12:03.21 | halt__ | thx abrotman this is what i need |
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| 12:07.07 | ansgar | binary packages aren't signed, only Release is (which has hashes for Packages which has the binary package hashes). source packages also have a signature from the uploader (in the .dsc). |
| 12:07.51 | abrotman | didn't i say that? |
| 12:08.23 | ansgar | Yes. |
| 12:08.34 | abrotman | :) |
| 12:11.04 | ChrisH | ansgar,abrotman well... for me this is as good as if the binary packages are signed themself :) |
| 12:11.19 | abrotman | there is a distinction though .. |
| 12:11.51 | abrotman | anyway .. he has his answer |
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| 12:12.38 | cassio | Sevet, berarma I think this explains what's going on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486454#61 |
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| 12:14.01 | cassio | Sevet, your command solves the problem though |
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| 12:17.25 | masterkorp | fuck all printers in the world |
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| 12:19.40 | ChrisH | seems like none of you ever did printing on UNIX[TM] systems... that is "§$"%"%§&&§§&$/ censored |
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| 12:21.14 | abrotman | yay line printers! |
| 12:21.48 | specing | printing? That is hard even on Linux systems! |
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| 12:22.44 | ChrisH | specing: easier than Windows and anything else I used/supported so far..... (since CUPS) |
| 12:23.11 | specing | heh |
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| 12:23.19 | specing | I remember CUPS broke once here |
| 12:23.37 | specing | I couldn't do anything but wait till it "unbroke" itself somehow... |
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| 12:26.50 | acemi | linux is a green os and don't encourage to use papers |
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| 12:27.10 | nevyn | man I hate printing. |
| 12:27.18 | specing | :S |
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| 12:27.47 | nevyn | ChrisH: printing on solaris makes me stabby most days. |
| 12:29.31 | ChrisH | I told a customer once.. well it cannot be that worse if you cannot print.... His answer: Well we are a forwarding company, 20+ trucks outside and no papers ready... it IS critical! |
| 12:29.57 | nevyn | oh printing runs business.. don't get me wrong. |
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| 12:32.06 | ChrisH | nevyn: I know...I still fight against printers on solaris |
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| 12:32.48 | nevyn | ChrisH: we now solve this by lying to solaris and forwarding everything to cups on a linux box |
| 12:32.51 | specing | ChrisH: lol |
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| 12:33.25 | ChrisH | nevyn: I plan similar... CUPS on Solaris to fix it :) |
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| 12:33.44 | nevyn | we should discuss this further on -offtopic or stop |
| 12:34.35 | ChrisH | I need to leave anyhow. |
| 12:34.49 | nevyn | stop it is ;) |
| 12:35.02 | sharket | hello ChrisH :) |
| 12:35.22 | sharket | I solved yesterday about the NIC problem, thx |
| 12:35.35 | jelly | faxes ChrisH his printcap setup |
| 12:35.38 | sharket | i needed a .deb with the .fw on them |
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| 12:36.50 | ChrisH | jelly: I can send you my fax number and you can talk to a debian system running mgetty.. to become ontopic again |
| 12:37.04 | ChrisH | sharket: you're welcome |
| 12:37.35 | jelly | I have no ttyS0 and I must scream |
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| 12:38.06 | ChrisH | ttyUSB0 with a Zyxel 1496 connected :) |
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| 12:54.07 | netecho | for installing 64bit on a Intel Core 2 proc which cd do I need? amd64 or ia64? |
| 12:54.18 | tremon | !ia64 |
| 12:54.18 | dpkg | Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers and are supported by Debian's ia64 port (http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/). It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. |
| 12:54.30 | evildmp | I have a script that I run with: source /home/topdog/backups/arkestra-db-dump.sh. I put: 15 03 * * * topdog source /home/topdog/backups/arkestra-db-dump.sh in my crontab, but it doesn't seem to execute |
| 12:54.41 | evildmp | Have I put it in correctly? |
| 12:54.52 | tremon | evildmp: source is not an executable file |
| 12:54.59 | netecho | thanks tremon |
| 12:55.26 | tremon | netecho: just to be clear: you do /not/ want the ia64 installer |
| 12:55.38 | netecho | yea tremon I caught that :) |
| 12:55.43 | tremon | :) |
| 12:55.47 | evildmp | tremon: so should I just put 15 03 * * * topdog /home/topdog/backups/arkestra-db-dump.sh in the crontab? |
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| 12:56.09 | tremon | evildmp: yes, but make sure that shell file is executable (chmod +x) |
| 12:56.19 | evildmp | thanks very much tremon |
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| 12:58.14 | eXeC001er | Hello |
| 12:59.52 | eXeC001er | How it is possible that after first install of a package all its directories and files exist, but after reinstall the package (nothing changed, just reinstall) some files and directories do not exist ? |
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| 13:02.24 | sharket | ChrisH i have some problems now to use the Hard drives, i donnt debian doesnt detect them |
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| 13:02.28 | sharket | what u suggest me to d ? |
| 13:02.48 | boudiccas | !u |
| 13:02.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:03.16 | sharket | what do you suggest me to do? |
| 13:03.21 | sharket | sorry boudiccas |
| 13:03.53 | boudiccas | sharki understood what you meant by 'u', but you threw me a wobbly with just putting 'd'! |
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| 13:05.01 | sharket | :) |
| 13:05.25 | sharket | do you know how could i use my sas drives? debian doesnt decognice them in the instalation |
| 13:07.40 | jelly | eXeC001er: which debian release, which package and version thereof? |
| 13:08.08 | jelly | eXeC001er: and which file paths are missing? |
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| 13:09.14 | SPF | sharket: I think you might need to install additional drivers. I have a raid card with 2 sas connections as well, but the driver is from a 3rd party |
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| 13:10.44 | Aha2Y | Guys, i can't disable "magic_quotes" its all set Off in config, i reloaded. load at phpinfo and says its On... |
| 13:11.13 | ksk | Aha2Y: theres a dedicated php.ini for debians apache |
| 13:11.23 | Aha2Y | Wait what |
| 13:11.34 | Aha2Y | not /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini? |
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| 13:12.30 | e1z0 | phpinfo can tell where is php.ini |
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| 13:12.39 | Aha2Y | yes |
| 13:12.44 | Aha2Y | that's what i said |
| 13:12.45 | Aha2Y | http://www.hastebin.com/sexonibeno.hs |
| 13:12.53 | Aha2Y | and see http://mudkip.iotairc.net/phpinfo.php |
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| 13:15.04 | FilipeMaia | I'm planning to get a server with a supermicro X9DRi-F MB. Does anyone how good the RAID 1 support of this MB is? Can I boot from it? |
| 13:15.17 | eXeC001er | jelly: it is not a debian. but it seems i found something. The package contains postrm, where the missing files are removed. |
| 13:15.37 | halt__ | can someone expain this to me ? http://pastebin.com/4CEmJaGC vs. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/open-vm-source |
| 13:16.29 | Sevet | open-vm-source is in squeeze+sid but not wheezy |
| 13:16.46 | Sevet | and you should not mix testing and wheezy definitions in sources.list |
| 13:16.53 | eXeC001er | it seems i need to read debian-build-packages-manual |
| 13:17.02 | Sevet | when wheezy is released testing'll become jessie and you'll end up mixing distributions which is a bad bad bad idea |
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| 13:21.22 | netecho | is there a way to get a flat-file list of all installed packages on my system? |
| 13:21.37 | jelly | eXeC001er: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 13:22.12 | jelly | eXeC001er: your target distro might have their own packaging guide that could differ or expand from Debian's |
| 13:22.16 | Sevet | halt__: open-vm-tools (2:8.8.0+2011.09.23-491607-2) unstable; urgency=low |
| 13:22.17 | Sevet | Removing open-vm-source in favour of open-vm-dkms (Closes: #518014) |
| 13:22.47 | tremon | netecho: man dpkg-query |
| 13:22.49 | cmbrnt | netecho: dpkg -l |
| 13:22.49 | jelly | eXeC001er: also, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-mscriptsinstact |
| 13:22.57 | eXeC001er | jelly: it seems i incorrectly use postrm :-) |
| 13:23.52 | jelly | eXeC001er: at the very least, check that "$1" = purge or remove before nuking generated files |
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| 13:24.25 | K9_uppsal | anybody got a male dog or horse in uppsala? :) |
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| 13:24.35 | netecho | I think my File operation has frozen |
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| 13:29.30 | netecho | whats the best way to compress your home folder for backup? |
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| 13:30.49 | Sevet | tar + gzip/bzip/etc while not logged in (so that the gnome etc files aren't being changed) |
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| 13:30.58 | c0rnel | hello all |
| 13:31.15 | c0rnel | what debian version is recommended for a g3 power pc? |
| 13:31.30 | netecho | Sevet: will it cause a problem if I am logged in? |
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| 13:31.56 | Sevet | if you're in gnome. a console session should be ok. |
| 13:32.20 | Sevet | otherwise you're copying files that might be changing |
| 13:32.38 | netecho | not to worried about gnome related stuff, just the data in my home folder |
| 13:32.57 | netecho | I.e. pdf files , music etc |
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| 13:33.31 | Erlkoenig | My Computer with a "Gigabyte GA-Z77M-D3H", i5-3570K, 32 GB RAM, using debian stable, always crashes after 1-3 days uptime. I wasn't able to observe that directly, i only know the computer is off and the logs end suddenöy without any hints. |
| 13:33.31 | Erlkoenig | i have to use kernel version 3.2.0-0 from backports because of an ethernet card driver, and the newest one from kernel.org (3.5.3) shows the same problems. Both Windows 7 and memtest86+ run for long time without problems, so it shouldn't be a hardware problem... Does anybody have an idea what causes such crashes? |
| 13:34.06 | tremon | netecho: I wouldn't try to compress music/video files, it's a waste of cycles. I back them up separately |
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| 13:34.23 | netecho | tremon: really? |
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| 13:35.00 | ksuhku | c0rnel, latest stable 6.0 "squeeze" |
| 13:35.11 | c0rnel | ksuhku, thank you |
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| 13:35.33 | Sevet | netecho: they're already highly compressed, so won't compress any further and will just waste cpu time trying |
| 13:36.10 | Sevet | they're large enough (video especially) that it'll be an aweful lot of cpu time too, whereas you could just copy them |
| 13:36.34 | netecho | ah makes sense |
| 13:37.11 | specing | you'll achieve the best compression simply by removing gnome :) |
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| 13:37.58 | netecho | actually I think I'm just gonna backup one folder |
| 13:38.04 | netecho | the rest I can get back fairly quick |
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| 13:38.47 | netecho | before I format tho I gotta go and resize one of my NTFS partitions so I have more space |
| 13:39.07 | netecho | once steam comes full force to linux I can drop windows all together :) |
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| 13:55.59 | Aha2Y | how can i install PHP FPM ? |
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| 14:01.33 | Ejdesgaard | hey, is there any chance that zabbix-2.0 will enter wheezy from sid? |
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| 14:02.25 | Sevet | if it's not already in there unlikely, feature freeze |
| 14:02.33 | Ejdesgaard | okay :S |
| 14:02.39 | Sevet | perhaps through wheezy-backports |
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| 14:25.19 | arges | Hello. If a debian bug targets the wrong package, is there a way to change the package it was targeted against, or should I file a new bug? |
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| 14:27.24 | Sevet | arges: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#reassign |
| 14:27.41 | arges | Sevet, thanks |
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| 14:28.46 | babilen | arges: Don't forget to state the reason for reassigning the bug as this makes it easier for whoever reads the bug to make sense of it. |
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| 14:29.10 | arges | babilen, ok will do. |
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| 14:32.49 | thomaschaaf | I have a computer with a wireless adapter and hostapd running on it with blank iptables. Some devices connect to the AP but are not pingable until the device sends something. And what the device sends also doesn't arrive until the ping is made by the "self build router" |
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| 15:05.16 | thomaschaaf | Does anyone know such an error where the client cannot ping server until server has pinged the client? I can't seem to find anything online but other people with the same problem |
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| 15:05.48 | kwork | thomaschaaf: could be arp issue |
| 15:05.54 | kwork | arp-learning-issue |
| 15:06.22 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: It's almost certainly either a statefulness issue or an ARP issue. |
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| 15:06.40 | thomaschaaf | kwork: Diopter thanks let me google that |
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| 15:08.00 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: "statefulness issue" probably won't get you much. I'm referring to the idea that if the stateful firewalls on the boxes and/or inbetween them are misconfigured, they might be blocking traffic incorrectly unless the traffic is in a certain state |
| 15:08.16 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: Do you know your client/server network topology? How they're connected, what's inbetween them, etc? |
| 15:08.21 | thomaschaaf | Diopter: as said there is no device between the two |
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| 15:08.37 | Diopter | Didn't see that, sorry |
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| 15:08.48 | thomaschaaf | Diopter: it is a linux box (wheezy) with hostapd running the following config: and a cmaera |
| 15:09.01 | Diopter | So your client is a wireless client to hostapd. kk |
| 15:09.02 | thomaschaaf | Diopter: http://pastie.org/4616871 |
| 15:09.07 | thomaschaaf | yes |
| 15:09.19 | Diopter | Pastie the output of "iptables-save" |
| 15:09.35 | Diopter | And "ip a" for good measure |
| 15:09.36 | thomaschaaf | completly empty |
| 15:09.58 | thomaschaaf | http://pastie.org/4616876 |
| 15:10.00 | Diopter | Interesting. |
| 15:10.24 | thomaschaaf | I have had this before adding openvpn to the mix :) |
| 15:10.43 | Diopter | I figured. OpenVPN shouldn't affect it (the tun0) |
| 15:11.00 | Diopter | So... on the server, do you see the client in "ip n"? |
| 15:11.26 | thomaschaaf | yes I do |
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| 15:11.58 | Diopter | Go ahead and delete it. ip n del x.x.x.x |
| 15:12.07 | Diopter | (this is your neighbor table, which is the ARP table in IPv4) |
| 15:12.23 | Diopter | Then from the client, ip n, delete the server there |
| 15:12.33 | Diopter | Then ping from the client, and ip n on client and server, to see if they both got ARP entries |
| 15:12.34 | thomaschaaf | Device and destination are required arguments. |
| 15:12.44 | thomaschaaf | ip n del 10.10.0.3 |
| 15:13.08 | Diopter | Add dev wlan# on the end, just like the neighbor table entry |
| 15:13.22 | thomaschaaf | okay sorry |
| 15:13.42 | thomaschaaf | now it says failed in the ip n, |
| 15:13.54 | thomaschaaf | the fun part is the thing I am connecting with is a camera :( |
| 15:14.08 | Diopter | Oh. |
| 15:14.10 | Diopter | lol? |
| 15:14.12 | thomaschaaf | so I don't have linux there |
| 15:14.15 | Diopter | You can ping from your camera...? |
| 15:14.25 | thomaschaaf | no but I can send images via ftp |
| 15:14.42 | thomaschaaf | and on the box with the hostapd I have an ftp server running |
| 15:14.42 | Diopter | Aha. Well, same difference for this purpose. We can still check the server's neighbor table |
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| 15:15.19 | thomaschaaf | http://pastie.org/4616891 this is what it says right now on the "server" |
| 15:15.38 | Diopter | And your client address is? |
| 15:15.46 | thomaschaaf | 10.10.0.3 |
| 15:16.03 | Diopter | Fun. Did the ip n del give you any errors? |
| 15:16.09 | thomaschaaf | beofre I deleted it it said 10.10.0.3 dev wlan1 lladdr 00:00:85:ff:81:cc STALE |
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| 15:16.18 | thomaschaaf | no it didn't |
| 15:16.36 | Diopter | Exciting. So now try connecting from the camera... |
| 15:16.54 | thomaschaaf | works -.- |
| 15:17.34 | thomaschaaf | so after ip n del IPADDRESS it works :/ |
| 15:17.56 | Diopter | Check the table again. |
| 15:17.58 | thomaschaaf | let me try again by rebooting the machine. Trying to connect with the camera and then deleting it? |
| 15:18.08 | thomaschaaf | 10.10.0.3 dev wlan1 lladdr 00:00:85:ff:81:cc STALE |
| 15:18.26 | Diopter | So, it went from failed to stale, acquiring a valid MAC |
| 15:18.32 | Diopter | Which means ARP succeeded from the server side |
| 15:18.55 | thomaschaaf | well it was the same address as above (see 17;15) |
| 15:18.56 | Diopter | You can reboot if you like, and try to connect from the camera first |
| 15:19.04 | Diopter | Yes. It certainly should be. |
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| 15:20.09 | thomaschaaf | so i tried what you suggested |
| 15:20.12 | thomaschaaf | and that doesn't work |
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| 15:20.23 | thomaschaaf | I rebooted, turned the camera on and took an image |
| 15:20.37 | thomaschaaf | which makes it send a dhcpdiscover, offer and request |
| 15:20.47 | thomaschaaf | and then tries to connect to the ftp server on the server |
| 15:20.58 | Diopter | So you have a neighbor table entry now? |
| 15:21.06 | Diopter | Without initiating any contact from the server? |
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| 15:21.35 | thomaschaaf | yes |
| 15:22.03 | Diopter | Cool. So ARP and DHCP aren't an issue. |
| 15:22.18 | thomaschaaf | I guess thats sort of good :) |
| 15:22.36 | Diopter | And you have zero output from iptables-save... which means you haven't set anything ever, so your chains are all using default policies |
| 15:22.39 | Diopter | (ACCEPT) |
| 15:22.48 | thomaschaaf | yes |
| 15:23.07 | Diopter | Have you tried reuploading a couple more times now that DHCP succeeded? |
| 15:23.08 | thomaschaaf | http://pastie.org/4616948 |
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| 15:23.21 | thomaschaaf | after it has connected once it works |
| 15:23.33 | Diopter | Whether you contact it from the server or not? |
| 15:24.02 | thomaschaaf | well I get an ip on the camera everytime |
| 15:24.11 | thomaschaaf | but it tells me "can not connect to ftp server" |
| 15:24.25 | Diopter | Right. But right now, without pinging from the server, if you try Again, does it work? |
| 15:24.32 | thomaschaaf | yes |
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| 15:24.44 | Diopter | Then your original statement of the problem was wrong :P |
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| 15:25.08 | thomaschaaf | hmm I guess but pinging always fixed it :( |
| 15:25.10 | Diopter | I'm going to call it a camera issue now, where it sucks at trying to talk to FTP when it also needs to get an IP over DHCP |
| 15:25.25 | Diopter | And once it has an IP, it works, which is what you're telling me now |
| 15:25.27 | Diopter | (Second try works) |
| 15:25.30 | thomaschaaf | the thing is it works with regular wifis :( |
| 15:25.39 | thomaschaaf | routers |
| 15:25.47 | Diopter | Maybe your DHCP server is slow or misconfigured. |
| 15:25.52 | Diopter | What are you using? |
| 15:25.54 | thomaschaaf | maybe there is a race condition going on |
| 15:26.00 | thomaschaaf | isc |
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| 15:26.21 | Loonatic | Hi, my dovecot on mydebian machine is using the selfsign certificate instead of my proper geotrust one... i remove the dovecot.pem file from /etc/ssl/cert but still the same issue...Anyone has an idea ? |
| 15:26.29 | Diopter | You should try setting up dnsmasq real quick to compare. It's dead simple for a very default config. |
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| 15:27.01 | thomaschaaf | let me check |
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| 15:27.39 | Diopter | You'll need to add one line |
| 15:27.42 | Diopter | To the .conf |
| 15:28.09 | thomaschaaf | i have it installed and stopped isc |
| 15:28.20 | Diopter | dhcp-range=x.x.x.50,x.x.x.150,12h, or whatever your range is |
| 15:28.31 | Diopter | Need to add that to /etc/dnsmasq.conf, then restart the daemon |
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| 15:29.19 | thomaschaaf | says port 53 is taken |
| 15:29.21 | thomaschaaf | but by whom |
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| 15:29.59 | Diopter | Run: ss -lntp, as root, and you can see which processes |
| 15:30.52 | thomaschaaf | says named is using it |
| 15:31.21 | Diopter | You're running your own bind daemon, so stop that too... dnsmasq is a DHCP server and DNS forwarder |
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| 15:31.30 | Diopter | Kind of an all-in-one, and it's really fast |
| 15:31.47 | thomaschaaf | okay |
| 15:32.57 | thomaschaaf | seems to work |
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| 15:33.34 | Diopter | Cool. Maybe power cycle the camera? |
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| 15:33.58 | thomaschaaf | how do I make bind9 and isc not boot at startup? |
| 15:34.06 | Diopter | Debian box? |
| 15:34.11 | thomaschaaf | I want to rebot |
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| 15:34.43 | thomaschaaf | yes debian :) |
| 15:34.50 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: You can install a package rcconf or like sysv-rc-conf |
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| 15:35.03 | thomaschaaf | I'll just install the two packages |
| 15:35.07 | Diopter | I prefer rcconf mysel |
| 15:35.16 | relik | hello how can i receive messages from the syslogd in c++? Where can i find an example? |
| 15:35.23 | Diopter | Note I said "or". Don't need both |
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| 15:35.50 | Diopter | Anyhow, just run "rcconf" after you install it, check dnsmasq, uncheck bind and dhcpd or whatnot |
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| 15:37.35 | thomaschaaf | restarted :( |
| 15:37.47 | thomaschaaf | doesn't work |
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| 15:38.08 | Diopter | What "doesn't work?" |
| 15:38.27 | thomaschaaf | it says that it can't connect to the ftp server |
| 15:38.31 | thomaschaaf | (which is started) |
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| 15:38.41 | thomaschaaf | but it does get an ip |
| 15:38.56 | thomaschaaf | (from the new dhcp) |
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| 15:40.42 | thomaschaaf | I have to run but thank you a lot Diopter ! Maybe I will find another device that has the same issue |
| 15:40.51 | Diopter | thomaschaaf: Maybe so. Good luck |
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| 15:41.21 | thomaschaaf | I will try an boot up a computer without any other software on it. Maybe that will get me to the same result |
| 15:42.08 | Diopter | Maybe so |
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| 15:59.27 | linduxed | is there some easy command/way with which i can benchmark the general speed of my system? |
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| 16:00.56 | dkr | linduxed: grep bogomips /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:01.15 | dkr | that is not a serious suggestion, btw. :) |
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| 16:02.21 | dkr | I know of tools for testing specific things - like bonnie++ for disk - but "general speed" is too vague |
| 16:03.18 | linduxed | dkr: phoronix test suite got suggested |
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| 16:05.30 | starZ | hi there, do you know if it's possible to fetchmail a google app account ? |
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| 16:10.18 | ksuhku | dkr, you forgot glxgears (not serious either) |
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| 16:12.07 | dkr | starZ: I don't see why not. you can get your apps mail via imap or pop which fetchmail is for |
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| 16:13.59 | dkr | starZ: you probably need to include @domain in your username (just looked at my settings for imap.gmail.com) |
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| 16:29.36 | starZ | dkr: it's done, i can connect my (normal) account, but not the app one (with the domain).. it's working with mutt not with fetcmail |
| 16:30.15 | starZ | dkr: it says auth failed status 3 .. any idea?? |
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| 16:31.30 | Jef91 | trying to install mono-gac package on Debian wheezy and it is failing to setup with this error message -> http://paste.debian.net/186662/ |
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| 16:44.34 | NetEcho | I just did a fresh install of Wheezy AMD64 and it freezes on bootup every time like this http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1967/failedboot.jpg |
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| 16:46.12 | Kartagis | hi |
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| 16:46.40 | NetEcho | anyone know how to solve this? |
| 16:47.39 | Kartagis | I'm installing a vm through xen on debian, and I got this when the root password was being set up: /usr/bin/passwd: error while loading shared libraries: libuser.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:52.03 | ksuhku | NetEcho, how many video cards? as in got a builtin as well? |
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| 16:52.32 | NetEcho | ksuhku nope just my nVidia GTX 560 |
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| 16:53.43 | halt__ | Hi all, i tryed to use the uif for basic firewall config, but i found it to complicated, can someone recomend something dead simple, or give any example for basic settings for uif.conf? |
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| 16:54.43 | Kartagis | I'm installing a vm through xen on debian, and I got this when the root password was being set up: /usr/bin/passwd: error while loading shared libraries: libuser.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:54.52 | Kartagis | what's wrong? |
| 16:55.18 | ksuhku | NetEcho, does it work if you put options nouveau noaccel=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau.conf |
| 16:55.39 | NetEcho | ksuhku how do I do that? I can't even boot into the system |
| 16:56.15 | NetEcho | I'm currently stuck using Windows |
| 16:56.28 | ksuhku | NetEcho, you could use a live cd |
| 16:56.44 | ksuhku | poor bastard |
| 16:56.58 | NetEcho | yea I want out of this os asap lol |
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| 16:58.34 | halt__ | so any good firewall managment software offer ? cli version only i do not have gui |
| 16:58.40 | NetEcho | ksuhku any specific spot in the conf? |
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| 16:59.06 | ksuhku | NetEcho, put options nouveau noaccel=1 to /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau.conf |
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| 16:59.32 | NetEcho | ksuhku does it matter if its at the begining or end etc? |
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| 16:59.58 | ksuhku | NetEcho, i don't know but try putting it last |
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| 17:00.17 | NetEcho | ksuhku k I'll go give that a try if it doesn't work it'll be about 10 mins before I can get back on here |
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| 17:03.40 | talsamon | hello |
| 17:04.01 | talsamon | trying to start synergy on start |
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| 17:04.06 | talsamon | update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing |
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| 17:05.30 | NetEcho | ok I'm going back to squeeze :@ |
| 17:05.39 | tremon | talsamon: default debian runlevel is 2 |
| 17:05.50 | NetEcho | tried recovery mode to get in and then it paniced on my mouse driver... removed the mouse then it panics on the keyboard driver |
| 17:06.11 | NetEcho | evidence enough that I'm going to end up wasting the whole day trying to get wheezy running |
| 17:06.30 | tremon | NetEcho: you could try asking #nouveau |
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| 17:06.51 | NetEcho | tremon its not just nouveau at this point, Wheezy seems to be having an issue with every single driver for my system |
| 17:07.08 | talsamon | tremon, and what have i write in the script as Default-Start ? |
| 17:07.09 | NetEcho | it can't even handle a basic logitech mouse and keyboard |
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| 17:07.22 | ksuhku | talsamon, 2 |
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| 17:07.53 | tremon | netecho: any pending updates left? (apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get install -f) |
| 17:08.07 | NetEcho | tremon you need to be able to boot a system to run apt-get |
| 17:08.17 | NetEcho | it panics at boot time over every single freaking driver |
| 17:08.18 | tremon | so true... :) |
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| 17:08.51 | NetEcho | not impressed at all |
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| 17:09.03 | tremon | you should be able to boot wheezy with the squeeze kernel, if that's still there |
| 17:09.09 | NetEcho | no its a completely fresh install |
| 17:09.15 | tremon | ah |
| 17:09.27 | talsamon | tremon, i did it --> update-rc.d: warning: synerg start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2) |
| 17:09.27 | talsamon | update-rc.d: warning: synerg stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none) |
| 17:09.27 | talsamon | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (4 5 S) of script `synerg' overwrites defaults (2). |
| 17:09.35 | NetEcho | so I'll use Windows until I feel like dicking around with installing debian again |
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| 17:11.22 | ksuhku | talsamon, you should be set now |
| 17:11.38 | tremon | hmm... somehow update-rc.d and insserv don't agree about the current runlevels though |
| 17:11.41 | ksuhku | talsamon, except for the shutdown... :) |
| 17:12.31 | ksuhku | Manual page update-rc.d(8) line 74: "If defaults is used then update-rc.d will make links to start the service in runlevels 2345 and to stop the service in runlevels 016." |
| 17:12.46 | talsamon | tremon, no --> update-rc.d: warning: synerg stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none) |
| 17:12.47 | ksuhku | so all should be good |
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| 17:13.25 | tremon | ok |
| 17:13.27 | ksuhku | talsamon, just go look at the links in /etc/rc*.d/ |
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| 17:14.03 | talsamon | tremon, isn't there |
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| 17:15.07 | talsamon | tremon, in no runlevel |
| 17:15.33 | sharket | why SAS HD's are so expensive ? |
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| 17:17.07 | Marshac | i aint able to update thru "apt-get update" |
| 17:17.15 | Marshac | getting errors |
| 17:17.16 | Marshac | http://pastebin.com/MsiBH5fR |
| 17:17.22 | Marshac | can any1 help |
| 17:17.23 | Marshac | ? |
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| 17:40.19 | jhutchins_wk | Are we having netsplits for lunch or something? |
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| 17:54.32 | Somelauw | To what usergroup should I add myself, so I can visit my windows partition? If I start thunar with root access, my disks don't show up. |
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| 17:55.25 | ksuhku | Somelauw, are the disks mounted? |
| 17:56.00 | Somelauw | ksuhku: Not yet, but I need permission to mount them. |
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| 17:56.49 | Somelauw | If I login normally I get a permission error. If I login with sudo they don't show up. |
| 17:57.05 | ksuhku | nice catch-22 |
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| 17:57.44 | tremon | Somelauw: mounting is usually done through the plugdev group, with sudo they are mounted but you must browse to the mountpoint manually (no nice shortcut in the left bar) |
| 17:58.14 | tremon | prefers to mount manually |
| 17:59.05 | Somelauw | It doesn't show up in /media or /mnt |
| 17:59.37 | ksuhku | Somelauw, you have them in your fstab? |
| 17:59.44 | tremon | so, where did you mount it? |
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| 18:00.51 | Somelauw | No, I used to rely on my filebrowser to mount everything. |
| 18:01.03 | Somelauw | Is there some usergroup that thunar needs? |
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| 18:01.22 | heoa | How can I get the newest TeX Live 2012 pkg? |
| 18:01.31 | Somelauw | I know linux uses groups for permissions. |
| 18:01.33 | heoa | debian apt-get offers some 2009 version |
| 18:01.59 | heoa | Somelauw: are you rick rocking? |
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| 18:03.02 | tremon | ,v texlive-latex-base |
| 18:03.03 | judd | Package: texlive-latex-base on i386 -- lenny: 2007.dfsg.2-1~lenny2; squeeze: 2009-11+squeeze1; sid: 2012.20120611-3; wheezy: 2012.20120611-3 |
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| 18:03.44 | tremon | heoa: you can wait for about anything between 4 and 12 months until the next Debian version is released |
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| 18:10.29 | heoa | tremon: or read this http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/38978/how-can-i-manually-install-a-latex-package-debian-ubuntu-linux |
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| 18:23.58 | Somelauw | What groups would you add yourself to on a desktop system. One of the things I want to be able to do is mounting my windows partition? |
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| 18:24.47 | soryy708 | Does anyone know how to set permanent GVFS mount permissions? (such as umask for an automounted NTFS partition) |
| 18:24.51 | soryy708 | ?* |
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| 18:32.05 | jhutchins_wk | soryy708: I think that's set on the server, not controlled on the client. |
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| 18:35.33 | JCDenton | Debian Apache2, the access log (/var/log/apache2/access.log) doesn't seem to actually be logging client requests |
| 18:35.35 | JCDenton | Normal/default? |
| 18:35.39 | JCDenton | Is it another logfile? |
| 18:36.39 | berarma | JCDenton: no, that's it |
| 18:36.49 | JCDenton | berarma, There doesn't seem to be anything useful in it |
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| 18:36.54 | JCDenton | just dummy connections |
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| 18:37.24 | berarma | JCDenton: what do you expect? |
| 18:37.34 | JCDenton | berarma, ...access logs? |
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| 18:37.36 | JCDenton | From clients? |
| 18:37.54 | JCDenton | What Apache's access log is generally used for, or did I word that badly? |
| 18:38.05 | JCDenton | the access.log doesn't have what it should in it |
| 18:38.54 | berarma | JCDenton: are you sure you're serving clients thru Apache? are you using the default config for your clients? |
| 18:39.25 | JCDenton | 85% sure, but I'm having difficulties right now, thinking I was DDoSed but the access.log doesn't seem to have any information from any connections on it |
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| 18:40.58 | Shadow`` | does your vhost have the access.log line? |
| 18:41.15 | JCDenton | No, it doesn't have anything. Should it? |
| 18:41.19 | Shadow`` | yes |
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| 18:41.44 | JCDenton | I figured it'd log by default if it's not included then, thanks, doesn't help me now but I'll note it for future reference and I think I'm still being attacked regardless |
| 18:42.16 | Shadow`` | its recommended to give every domain its own access and error logs |
| 18:42.22 | berarma | JCDenton: don't you have /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log? |
| 18:42.26 | Shadow`` | makes it allot easier to backtrace issues like those |
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| 18:43.02 | Shadow`` | JCDenton: CustomLog /var/logs/httpd/nixcraft.com/access_log common |
| 18:43.04 | Shadow`` | for example |
| 18:43.18 | JCDenton | berarma, so I do, thank you |
| 18:43.40 | berarma | JCDenton: follow Shadow`` advice though? |
| 18:43.51 | berarma | without the question mark |
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| 18:44.07 | Shadow`` | ye not a question, its a command! |
| 18:44.08 | Shadow`` | =p |
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| 18:44.17 | berarma | yes :D |
| 18:44.45 | berarma | bb |
| 18:44.46 | JCDenton | but it just shows my servers IP as the connection..? |
| 18:44.49 | JCDenton | What o_O |
| 18:45.04 | Shadow`` | should show source and destination ip's JCDenton |
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| 18:46.06 | JCDenton | right |
| 18:46.18 | JCDenton | tail -n 10000 /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log|cut -f 1 -d ' '|sort|uniq -c|sort -nr|more |
| 18:46.22 | JCDenton | any way I can get that to work then? |
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| 18:46.43 | talsamon | thereÄ |
| 18:46.46 | JCDenton | http://serverfault.com/questions/152139/server-under-ddos-attack-how-to-find-out-ips <- took it from here. |
| 18:47.18 | talsamon | there's a strange thing find finds a link and ls couldn't find the same ?? |
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| 18:49.46 | frikinz | JCDenton: there's also this script to resolve ip to names in log (and use a cache to less kill your dns) : http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=9650 |
| 18:50.31 | frikinz | ah apache has logresolve, probably better |
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| 19:02.11 | DammitJim | how can I have a cron job run on the 30th of every month? |
| 19:02.16 | DammitJim | is that crazy? |
| 19:02.53 | jelly-home | DammitJim: yes. no. What would you like to happen in February? |
| 19:03.02 | jelly-home | oh, "how" |
| 19:03.12 | jelly-home | 0 0 30 * * blah |
| 19:03.22 | DammitJim | I would expect the silly thing to do it on the 28th or 29th |
| 19:03.27 | DammitJim | that's bad news, isn't it? |
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| 19:03.35 | DammitJim | I'm starting to think I should do 2 cron jobs |
| 19:03.44 | DammitJim | one for every month but february |
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| 19:03.53 | DammitJim | and another one for just february to run it on the 28th |
| 19:03.59 | DammitJim | leap year... screw me |
| 19:04.30 | jelly-home | or one that runs every day, or every day 28-31 and checks whether it's the last day of the month, or... |
| 19:04.31 | acemi | run at first day of month |
| 19:04.45 | jelly-home | too easy |
| 19:04.56 | DammitJim | acemi, that's what I suggested, but they didn't go for it... |
| 19:05.04 | DammitJim | + yeah, that would be too easy |
| 19:05.05 | DammitJim | LOL |
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| 19:05.48 | jelly-home | DammitJim: ask them about February. If they answer "run it the last day of the month", ask whether all the other months should behave the same, ie. run on the last day instead of the 30th |
| 19:06.15 | jelly-home | then google for "cron job last day of month" |
| 19:06.18 | jelly-home | hides |
| 19:06.32 | DammitJim | lol |
| 19:06.33 | DammitJim | thank you |
| 19:06.49 | DammitJim | sounds like I have to write something with my special sauce regardless |
| 19:07.52 | jelly-home | clicks on the first result |
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| 19:08.28 | jelly-home | hahah if [ $TOMORROW -lt $TODAY ]; then echo "This is the last day of the month"; fi |
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| 19:08.48 | cronix1 | hi all |
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| 19:09.27 | cronix1 | anyone can tell me where i can find doku on how to enable debian sid to see drives hooked to an via vt642 controller pci card? |
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| 19:09.40 | cronix1 | google just comes up with outdated stuff for debian 4.0 |
| 19:10.00 | jelly-home | but separated into a test... it very much resembles some of our jobs. 12 0 * * * last-day-of-month.sh && /run/my/cron/job.sh |
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| 19:10.12 | dondelelcaro | DammitJim: that's sort of odd. if they actually wanted it run on the last day of the month, you'd think they'd want it to include everything for that month, not things which happened during that month but after the cron job ran |
| 19:10.41 | DammitJim | it is very odd |
| 19:10.43 | dondelelcaro | but it's certianly possible to do |
| 19:10.54 | dondelelcaro | (and not particularly difficult, even if it's slightly insane) |
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| 19:22.46 | MickLH | Finally tried unstable |
| 19:24.11 | MickLH | I've locked up gnome 3 a few times but it's very rare |
| 19:25.00 | MickLH | Although, it did happen one time upon boot with no user interaction whatsoever, it seems to be a race condition, I'll bug the gnome people about it if I can reproduce it anyways |
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| 19:25.28 | gp5st | hello. i have a vm with a clean install of debian 6. i can't find the php5-fpm package |
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| 19:29.59 | jelly-home | gp5st: correct, there's no fpm build in Debian 6 |
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| 19:30.08 | jelly-home | ,v php5-fpm |
| 19:30.09 | judd | Package: php5-fpm on i386 -- wheezy: 5.4.4-4; sid: 5.4.4-7; experimental: 5.4.6-1 |
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| 19:30.22 | gp5st | jelly-home: what's the alternative then? |
| 19:30.56 | jelly-home | cgi? mod_php? |
| 19:31.20 | jelly-home | suphp? |
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| 19:31.41 | gp5st | hmm |
| 19:31.41 | gp5st | ok |
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| 19:32.15 | gp5st | i don't think it should be difficult to have nginx use cgi. why was it removed? |
| 19:32.46 | jelly-home | it was never present in squeeze, afaik |
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| 19:33.08 | frikinz | entered in debian in may 2012.. does judd shows pts entries? like date |
| 19:33.22 | gp5st | jelly i think the answer you're looking for is that i'm confused;) |
| 19:34.31 | talsamon | there's a strange thing find finds a link and ls couldn't find the same ?? |
| 19:36.16 | jelly-home | gp5st: I'm intentionally not mentioning a certain third-party repo that's known for php builds with more features but with questionable quality packaging |
| 19:36.49 | gp5st | jelly-home: that's fine, even if you did, i'd prefer to stick the the base repos for portability reasons |
| 19:36.51 | mutante | i have been wondering about the right permissions for files i drop in /etc/profile.d/. You might think they need +x because they are executed but then checking existing files i see they are 0644.? |
| 19:38.04 | NetEcho | love how I'm waiting for an email and gmail decides to go dead |
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| 19:41.07 | DammitJim | not sure if this is a mysql issue or debian, but I wrote a script that runs a mysql script which is supposed to output to a file in a certain directory, but it doesn't seem to be performing it |
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| 19:54.44 | jordanm | DammitJim: lets see the script |
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| 20:00.35 | jelly-home | yo dawg, I herd u liked scripts |
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| 20:04.15 | DammitJim | hold on jordanm it seems since the sql script is producing an error (in my case dropping a table that doesn't exist), it's exiting |
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| 20:05.43 | jordanm | DammitJim: DROP TABLE foo IF EXISTS |
| 20:06.16 | jordanm | DammitJim: err, if exists should come first, but that will prevent your script for erroring out |
| 20:06.26 | MickLH | whats the "proper debian way" to make a custom live media |
| 20:07.14 | jordanm | !tell MickLH about debian-live |
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| 20:07.34 | DammitJim | jordanm, thanks |
| 20:07.44 | DammitJim | I had forgotten about that option |
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| 20:10.09 | MickLH | and its that simple, thanks |
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| 20:10.38 | sharket | why the debian instalation doesnt detect my RAID ' |
| 20:10.39 | sharket | ? |
| 20:10.40 | sharket | :) |
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| 20:12.16 | jhutchins_wk | !raid |
| 20:12.16 | dpkg | Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID) is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data. Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
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| 20:13.22 | MickLH | how about putting everything into the ramdisk? |
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| 20:15.00 | MickLH | I'm really not trying to ask stupid questions, I've googled a lot and so far xkiosk is the closest to what I'm trying to do |
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| 20:15.32 | DammitJim | jordanm, obviously I have problems in my scripts if I'm having to check for the existance of certain tables |
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| 20:16.32 | sharket | !raid0 |
| 20:16.32 | dpkg | RAID0 is the wrong choice and the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see <LVM>). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608 . Ask me about <qotd168>. |
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| 20:18.22 | mount | Is there a way to specify an option in an /etc/fstab line to mount the partition as a specific chowner? |
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| 20:20.04 | jhutchins_wk | mount: Yes, but I'm not certain on the details. Look at the instructions for mounting NTFS partitions so they're writable by users. |
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| 20:20.25 | MickLH | Does anyone know how debirf works? |
| 20:20.35 | mount | jhutchins_wk: Which would be where? |
| 20:20.49 | jhutchins_wk | mount: teh googles |
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| 20:22.28 | jhutchins_wk | mount: see message from dpkg as well. |
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| 20:32.39 | DammitJim | I'm reading conflicting information... my fstab says: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 20:32.53 | DammitJim | but my user can't write to the automounted device |
| 20:33.03 | DammitJim | I thought user meant any user can rw |
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| 20:33.51 | greycat | user means any user can *mount* it, not that it'll be world-writable once mounted |
| 20:34.14 | clod89 | i've just installed debian on an old ibook g4 and apparently i can't find any internet browser, firefox, icewasel and chromium-browser does not seem to exists, what am i supposed to install? |
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| 20:34.22 | DammitJim | I swear we should delete all those howtos on the internet |
| 20:34.38 | DammitJim | greycat, what option would let me have rw on my regular user? uid? |
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| 20:35.08 | greycat | Depends on the file system type... probably user= or uid= or something like that for the Windows-based ones. |
| 20:35.26 | DammitJim | like fat, you mean? |
| 20:35.30 | greycat | yes |
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| 20:35.40 | DammitJim | k... doesn't hurt to try |
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| 20:36.33 | greycat | DammitJim: "man mount", and then search for "for fat". There's a section called "Mount optoins for fat". |
| 20:36.39 | greycat | er, options |
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| 20:37.22 | greycat | showing up in a Linux channel with the username "mount" is probably a good way to get a lot of false alarms |
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| 20:47.42 | ws2k3 | what is the best monitor system for debian servers ? |
| 20:48.07 | ws2k3 | i have like 4 debian server that shape a network together one of them is a webserver the o wanne monitor all servers |
| 20:48.13 | ws2k3 | anyone any advice ? |
| 20:48.55 | mutante | ws2k3: nagios.org is the classic monitoring solution that is widely used |
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| 20:53.39 | ws2k3 | mutante thx |
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| 20:56.09 | Jon__ | Hi everyone, I got the following problem: When I boot up, I must first boot into the recovery console, then start dbus manually, then load gdm3. Also, wicd/network-manager won't work. If I try to start normally (booting into gnome) or start wicd/nm, the system will collapse (black screen, no ability to do anything) |
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| 21:02.41 | jordanm | Jon__: what version of debian? |
| 21:03.12 | Jon__ | jordanm: squeeze |
| 21:03.51 | Jon__ | oh and, I put debian up freshly and didn't modify anything |
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| 21:04.53 | silverarrow | should we be trying wheezy any time soon? |
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| 21:05.06 | platzhirsch | I accidently set a password for root, how can I unset it if possible? |
| 21:06.00 | greycat | ... wouldn't that make it impossible to login in single-user mode? |
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| 21:06.54 | platzhirsch | there was no root password before, at least none I know |
| 21:07.06 | greycat | Are you sure you're running Debian and not some derivative? |
| 21:07.07 | DammitJim | I'm missing something very fundamental here |
| 21:07.19 | DammitJim | there is a mysql group |
| 21:07.35 | DammitJim | and I have added my user mario to that mysql group |
| 21:07.55 | DammitJim | the file I"m trying to mv has rw rw rw |
| 21:08.01 | DammitJim | why can't I rename the file? |
| 21:08.14 | platzhirsch | Greyscale: exactly, while I'll give ##rpi a try |
| 21:08.15 | greycat | Anyway, my literal answer would be "vipw, then change the second field of root's line to an asterisk" |
| 21:08.20 | grothendieck | DammitJim: ls -la $file |
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| 21:09.02 | grothendieck | and what are the permissions on the directory? |
| 21:09.08 | greycat | DammitJim: to rename a file, you need write permission on the directory that it's in. You don't need ANY permissions on the file itself. |
| 21:09.10 | DammitJim | -rw-rw-rw- 1 mysql mysql 16075643 Aug 30 16:17 verizon_final.dat |
| 21:09.20 | greycat | And stop making files world writable. |
| 21:09.26 | grothendieck | yeah very bad idea |
| 21:09.33 | DammitJim | I didn't |
| 21:09.36 | DammitJim | this is in /var/tmp |
| 21:09.39 | superstraw | 660? |
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| 21:09.50 | frikinz | Jon__: you may have some info in ~/.xsession-errors when the problem happens.. |
| 21:09.52 | DammitJim | the mysql script creates the file |
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| 21:10.04 | greycat | /var/tmp is probably sticky |
| 21:10.21 | greycat | (it is supposed to be, anyway!) |
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| 21:10.46 | greycat | You can't rename other people's files in a sticky directory. |
| 21:10.57 | DammitJim | what does sticky mean? |
| 21:10.57 | DammitJim | oh |
| 21:11.08 | grothendieck | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit |
| 21:11.08 | greycat | (You also can't delete other people's files in a sticky dir.) |
| 21:11.31 | grothendieck | you might also want to lsattr that file |
| 21:11.35 | grothendieck | check if it is for example immutable |
| 21:11.42 | superstraw | since 1974... meh. |
| 21:11.45 | greycat | an immutable 666 file sounds bizarre. |
| 21:12.02 | grothendieck | I've seen it |
| 21:12.04 | greycat | especially in a tmp directory |
| 21:12.12 | grothendieck | true |
| 21:12.54 | DammitJim | ------------------- verizon_final.dat |
| 21:12.59 | platzhirsch | Greyscale: thanks guess that's what I wanted |
| 21:13.01 | DammitJim | that's what lsattr said |
| 21:13.13 | Jon__ | frikinz: it seems like dbus doesn't start on bootup (or at least not before gdm), how can I change that? |
| 21:13.26 | DammitJim | oh... sticky doesn't mean you can't sudo mv it |
| 21:13.35 | greycat | Root can rename it, yes. |
| 21:13.45 | grothendieck | heh, I once saw a hacked server where attacker got root, created DNS zones for phising sites and set them chattr +i, then rm'ed the chattr binary |
| 21:13.46 | greycat | Also the owner of the file can rename it. |
| 21:13.53 | DammitJim | ok, then it sounds like I need to find a good place for these files that mysql is creating |
| 21:14.01 | grothendieck | /var/lib/mysql |
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| 21:14.03 | grothendieck | is canonical |
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| 21:14.46 | DammitJim | dammit... but the user mario can't go in that directory :( |
| 21:15.06 | grothendieck | the mysql user can |
| 21:15.21 | grothendieck | what are you trying to do, exactly? |
| 21:15.22 | DammitJim | yeah, but the user that is running the script can't |
| 21:15.30 | DammitJim | or am I doing this all from the wrong perspective? |
| 21:15.36 | DammitJim | I have a sql script that generates a file |
| 21:15.38 | grothendieck | I have no idea what you are doing ;) |
| 21:15.50 | DammitJim | then I am making a cronjob that has to manipulate that file and create other reports |
| 21:16.15 | greycat | You might want to set a umask in that script, too. |
| 21:16.20 | DammitJim | I thought that by my user being part of the mysql group, it could go into /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:16.29 | DammitJim | oh |
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| 21:16.47 | greycat | Is there any particular reason not to write these files into your home directory? |
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| 21:17.09 | greycat | Are other users expected to do stuff with them? |
| 21:17.20 | DammitJim | honestly, I Haven't tried that but didn't think mysql had access to my home directory |
| 21:17.22 | DammitJim | let me try that |
| 21:17.34 | DammitJim | no, no other users |
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| 21:17.59 | greycat | If your script is generating the output, either directly or by invoking "mysql", then the process is running as you, not as the mysql server's UID. |
| 21:18.38 | DammitJim | the script has a line that calls: mysql -u mysql_user < script.sql |
| 21:18.57 | DammitJim | the script.sql script generates a file verizon_final.dat which belongs to mysql mysql |
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| 21:19.17 | frikinz | Jon__: afaik, debian now uses makefile boot concurrency so there is no easy way to reorder boot script. |
| 21:19.26 | greycat | that sounds like something I don't have any experience with. |
| 21:20.03 | DammitJim | no problem... you are teaching me new stuff still |
| 21:20.11 | grothendieck | http://content.hccfl.edu/pollock/aunix1/filepermissions.htm |
| 21:20.15 | DammitJim | ok, I can't write to the user's home direcotry |
| 21:20.24 | DammitJim | grothendieck, reading your link... |
| 21:20.28 | grothendieck | sorry |
| 21:20.36 | linux2 | I've been trying to get some usb hard drives I have to auto spindown, but all I can find is that I should use sg_start --stop /dev/sdb to spin down the drive. The drive does start to slow down, but then immediately spins back up. However, if you mount and then unmount the drive it spins down and stays spun down until I mount the drive again. Any have any ideas how I can get it to spin down without having to mount and unmount the drives? |
| 21:20.38 | grothendieck | it is helpful information |
| 21:20.59 | tremon | Jon__: head -20 /etc/init.d/gdm3 |
| 21:21.16 | Jon__ | *try* |
| 21:21.18 | grothendieck | you should understand how unix file permissions work and test out more basic examples before you create a million insecure databases all over the filesystem |
| 21:21.21 | grothendieck | ;) |
| 21:21.34 | frikinz | yes. I ditched gdm3 so I cannot check the header of gdm3 initscript.. |
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| 21:21.39 | tremon | notes that -10 (default) would have been enough |
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| 21:21.57 | DammitJim | grothendieck, I obviously don't know enough about unix file permissions even though I thought I knew enough |
| 21:21.58 | DammitJim | blah |
| 21:21.59 | greycat | if his "mysql script" is telling the mysql server to write a file, rather than writing a file under the control of the client, then he may have to go to #mysql for help |
| 21:22.14 | tremon | Jon__: you could try moving dbus from should-start to required-start |
| 21:22.26 | Jon__ | tremon: how to? |
| 21:22.49 | Jon__ | do you need the output of head? |
| 21:23.17 | grothendieck | DammitJim: I don't see why you cannot run that script as the user but store the file in /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:23.22 | tremon | Jon__: I don't need the output, that is where you change boot order |
| 21:23.28 | Jon__ | ah oki |
| 21:23.33 | grothendieck | the script is executed as the mysql user |
| 21:23.43 | grothendieck | who has permissions to read/write in /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:23.43 | DammitJim | I"m testing that |
| 21:23.48 | tremon | although the correct way is to copy the file (/etc/init.d/gdm3) to /etc/insserv/overrides, remove everything after END INIT INFO and edit it there |
| 21:24.00 | DammitJim | what I was saying is that the user calling the script (mario) doesn't have access to /var/lib/mysql |
| 21:24.06 | grothendieck | but the system user (mario) does not need to interact with the mysql database directly |
| 21:24.11 | grothendieck | yes |
| 21:24.14 | tremon | that way your modifications will be preserved and dpkg won't nag you every time gdm the package gets updated |
| 21:24.27 | grothendieck | but he actually runs the sql queries as the mysql user |
| 21:24.28 | DammitJim | it doesn't but it needs to be able to pick up that file and do work with it |
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| 21:24.42 | jhutchins_wk | When you create a mysql database from a script you use the mysql client, which writes the files to /var/lib/mysql/<db> |
| 21:24.45 | frikinz | tremon: why would gdm start before dbus if gdm has a should-start dbus ? can this happen? |
| 21:24.59 | jhutchins_wk | Writing files there directly is a Very Bad Idea. |
| 21:25.01 | DammitJim | I think the problem is that I haven't finished the script to write the date in the file name (then I won't run into a mysql error of trying to write a file that already exists) |
| 21:25.04 | grothendieck | mario has permissions to execute some shell script, and the shell scipt does something like 'mysql -u mario_sql > script.sql' |
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| 21:25.32 | grothendieck | that is a separate process that runs as the mysql user |
| 21:25.36 | DammitJim | oh man, so now I shouldn't be writing to /var/lib/mysql? |
| 21:25.43 | grothendieck | provided mario is able to authenticate as mario_sql |
| 21:25.47 | grothendieck | lol |
| 21:25.49 | tremon | frikinz: I'm not sure about the semantics of the init block, but should-start may be advice-only, or it may be that starting gdm3 triggers starting of the items in should-start, which means they start /after/ gdm3 |
| 21:25.51 | DammitJim | dammit! |
| 21:25.53 | DammitJim | I need a break |
| 21:25.53 | greycat | grothendieck: < script.sql actually. |
| 21:25.56 | grothendieck | take a deep breath, breath |
| 21:25.58 | DammitJim | and let it all settle in my head |
| 21:26.06 | DammitJim | Dammit!!!! Jim!!! |
| 21:26.09 | grothendieck | haha |
| 21:26.19 | romb | :) |
| 21:26.24 | frikinz | tremon: I'd be interested to see the header of gdm3 actually |
| 21:26.43 | Jon__ | I'll upload it, just a sec |
| 21:26.44 | grothendieck | consider running a script as foo which does something like 'su bar ; touch /home/bar/file' |
| 21:26.44 | frikinz | ok I checked by downloading it |
| 21:26.51 | Jon__ | ah oki |
| 21:26.52 | Jon__ | ^^ |
| 21:26.52 | frikinz | # Should-Start: console-screen dbus network-manager |
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| 21:27.00 | greycat | grothendieck: that's not how su works... |
| 21:27.06 | grothendieck | bah |
| 21:27.17 | grothendieck | su bar -c 'touch /home/bar/file" |
| 21:27.19 | greycat | su bar -c 'touch /home/bar/file' |
| 21:27.19 | debiangnulinux | I installed redmine and it's using RailsBaseURI /redmine |
| 21:27.24 | jordanm | grothendieck: that will spawn a shell (if bar has a valid login shell), and then wait |
| 21:27.27 | debiangnulinux | so I have to do hostname/redmine |
| 21:27.46 | debiangnulinux | I want apache to have document root be redmine |
| 21:27.50 | debiangnulinux | can anyone help me out? |
| 21:27.53 | DammitJim | ok, I created a directory that is owned by group mysql so taht I can do all my manipulations |
| 21:27.54 | DammitJim | thanks! |
| 21:27.59 | frikinz | tremon: corret. Should-Start "Nevertheless, the script can still start if the listed facilities are missing. " |
| 21:28.03 | Jon__ | still I got the problem, even with started dbus, that wicd or any networking program will kill the system |
| 21:28.11 | grothendieck | DammitJim: cool, good luck |
| 21:28.13 | DammitJim | but I still need to add the date to the file dynamically in the mysql script |
| 21:28.32 | DammitJim | you guys are the bomb! not because you told me the answer, but because you stuck with me patiently w/o cursing me LOL |
| 21:28.50 | grothendieck | DammitJim: you'll figure it out |
| 21:28.56 | grothendieck | and you may not be so lucky next time :p |
| 21:29.11 | greycat | DammitJim: if the file is being created by the mysql server then it's not something we can help with... ask in #mysql |
| 21:29.18 | debiangnulinux | I've tried toying with it but I tend to make apache throw up and not serve on any port after I change the DocumentRoot |
| 21:29.37 | Jon__ | and at least the wicd-log looks like the program crashes in the middle of loading, without any errors |
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| 21:30.53 | greycat | debiangnulinux: if you changed DocumentRoot, make sure you also granted the appropriate access privileges in a <Directory /your/new/place> ... </Directory> block |
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| 21:33.21 | debiangnulinux | greycat: I don't know where it's making the path from |
| 21:33.31 | debiangnulinux | redmine is in /usr/share/redmine |
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| 21:34.06 | greycat | "Redmine is a flexible project management web application. Written using the Ruby on Rails framework, it is cross-platform and cross-database." ... is what my search brings up. Sounds like it would have its own dedicated channel. I know nothing about it. |
| 21:34.41 | Jon__ | argh.. why can't debian just have a file with a DAEMONS-array like arch? :D |
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| 21:35.01 | debiangnulinux | greycat: if I change ln -s /usr/share/redmine/public /var/www/redmine to ln -s /usr/share/redmine/public /var/www/, would that serve it happily on 80/443? |
| 21:35.29 | greycat | I have no clue. |
| 21:36.01 | greycat | http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/FAQ might know. |
| 21:36.23 | frikinz | Jon__: not towards you but it's a silly thing to use a gui for connecting to network.. given the stability of the gui thing. but I'll not comment on this.. |
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| 21:38.09 | LordDeath | in squeeze pastebinit doesn't work :( |
| 21:38.14 | LordDeath | "THIS API HAS BEEN DISABLED. Please use Pastebin's new API. http://pastebin.com/api" |
| 21:39.16 | jordanm | LordDeath: use a different pastebin service with it |
| 21:39.20 | frikinz | Jon__: if you have time, you can also try what is mentionned in part 3 Roaming Mode of /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 21:39.44 | Jon__ | frikinz: I'll check it out, thx :) |
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| 21:42.18 | LordDeath | according to the man page I can change the pastebin url with the -b argument |
| 21:42.40 | LordDeath | but changing the default service would be nicer |
| 21:43.22 | frikinz | "If a .pastebinit.xml file is found in the user's home directory" ... so you can change the default |
| 21:43.40 | LordDeath | where did you read this? |
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| 21:44.23 | frikinz | ah. squeeze might not have this :S |
| 21:44.42 | frikinz | LordDeath: in pastebinit 1.3-4 |
| 21:44.59 | LordDeath | well, bad luck ^^ http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pastebinit |
| 21:45.20 | frikinz | wonder why there is not a backport on this |
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| 21:47.52 | frikinz | LordDeath: either its time for you to learn how to backport a software ;) or just alias pastebinit to pastebinit -b ... |
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| 21:49.09 | greycat | the latter is easier ;-0) |
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| 21:49.40 | leo-unglaub | hey, is it possible to install all packed witch are listed in control file of a debian directory in the Build-Depends-Indep column? |
| 21:49.48 | leo-unglaub | or do i have to install them by hand? |
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| 21:50.07 | tremon | apt-get build-dep? |
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| 21:50.58 | tremon | that works only on known packages, though, not on some debian/ dir |
| 21:51.12 | jordanm | tremon: mk-build-deps |
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| 21:51.21 | jordanm | leo-unglaub: ^ |
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| 21:51.56 | leo-unglaub | tremon: your command only works if the package is already known in dpkg. How can i specify the control file i want to use? |
| 21:52.16 | asdefjak | Is there any place where I can get old python versions? I need python3.0 specifically. |
| 21:52.18 | leo-unglaub | jordanm: thx |
| 21:53.07 | jordanm | !tell asdefjak about sdo |
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| 21:53.32 | jordanm | asdefjak: you can also get it from python.org, and install to somewhere like /opt (with altinstall) |
| 21:54.26 | greycat | python3.0 is "old"? |
| 21:54.47 | nsadmin | is python used in debian packaging (incl installs and maint scripts)? |
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| 21:54.59 | greycat | It's used in reportbug. |
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| 21:55.18 | nsadmin | that would tend to count :) thanks |
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| 21:55.43 | Jon__ | ok, I tried it with putting dbus to required, but it didn't work :( |
| 21:56.32 | jordanm | Jon__: if you are not using insserv, LSB headers are ignored |
| 21:56.35 | nsadmin | what is a dbus? is it a debian thing? a hardware device? |
| 21:57.00 | jordanm | ,description dbus |
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| 21:57.39 | nsadmin | is there like a howto or some articles about dbus? something I can at least read an abstract |
| 21:57.42 | Jon__ | jordanm: so how can I use insserv? |
| 21:57.42 | tremon | Jon__: are you sure your problem is with dbus? |
| 21:57.51 | leo-unglaub | jordanm: mk-build-deps -i mycontrolfile is not working. it wants me to specify all packages after the pipe. so i have to write them in again manualy? |
| 21:57.56 | greycat | nsadmin: "dpkg --status dbus" will show the description, if that helps |
| 21:57.58 | jordanm | Jon__: was your system an upgrade from lenny? |
| 21:58.12 | Jon__ | tremon: pretty sure, yeah; because I manually need to start dbus from konsole to start gdm |
| 21:58.25 | Jon__ | jordanm: no, a completely fresh install (I come from arch) |
| 21:58.32 | jordanm | leo-unglaub: after the pipe? |
| 21:58.35 | asdefjak | greycat: It's from 2009. |
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| 21:58.44 | jordanm | Jon__: then you are already using insserv |
| 21:58.53 | tremon | Jon__: that would qualify as sure, yes :) |
| 21:58.55 | jordanm | asdefjak: that's not old |
| 21:59.08 | leo-unglaub | jordanm: mk-build-deps [*options*] *control file* | *package name* ... |
| 21:59.14 | leo-unglaub | ah, this means OR |
| 21:59.15 | leo-unglaub | sorry |
| 21:59.17 | leo-unglaub | :( |
| 21:59.23 | Jon__ | jordanm: so why doesn't dbus start regularly before gdm? |
| 21:59.36 | nsadmin | it shows the website, so dbus is part of freedesktop? |
| 21:59.40 | jordanm | Jon__: how are you determining that it is now? |
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| 22:00.04 | Jon__ | jordanm: because I start it manually |
| 22:00.08 | asdefjak | jordanm: Well, "old" for me is anything that I can't trivially get from the current repos :) |
| 22:00.12 | tremon | nsadmin: it's a freedesktop spec |
| 22:00.15 | frikinz | LordDeath: http://p.quinput.eu/debfarm/pool/?C=M;O=D this is pastebinit rebuilt against stable dependencies so you can install this. |
| 22:00.21 | tremon | (well, spec and implementation) |
| 22:00.40 | nsadmin | tremon, ahh, that confirms one thing, it's not hardware at all |
| 22:01.04 | jordanm | Jon__: update-rc.d dbus defaults |
| 22:02.13 | Jon__ | jordanm: it gave me a warning: "update-rc.d: warning: dbus stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (none)", anything to worry about? |
| 22:03.01 | tremon | Jon__: that's harmless, at least for now. it means dbus won't get shutdown nicely if you reboot |
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| 22:03.16 | Jon__ | oki, thanks :) |
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| 22:03.24 | Jon__ | so now it's time to try again? |
| 22:03.34 | tremon | yes please :) |
| 22:03.38 | Jon__ | oki :) |
| 22:04.23 | tremon | eek... |
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| 22:04.54 | frikinz | gdm3 race conditions gives 10'000 results in google.. |
| 22:05.04 | tremon | lols as the www.freedesktop.org serves him a 503 guru meditation page |
| 22:05.23 | gedO | hello, who can hlep me with terminal resolution? |
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| 22:06.11 | gedO | How to change terminals resolution (colum and row count)??? I don't have any X, just LUI |
| 22:06.15 | Jon__ | still the same problem :( |
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| 22:07.06 | tremon | Jon__: do you get any error messages on screen and/or in daemon.log about dbus? |
| 22:07.25 | frikinz | and in .xession-errors during logging |
| 22:07.43 | Jon__ | none on screen, I'll check daemon.log and xsesson |
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| 22:08.42 | Horace[LG855] | Hello, I attempting to execute this command 'find / -iname cyrus-db-types -exec "file {}"' however I am getting this error 'find: missing argument to `-exec''. My comprehension is 'find' complaining that there are no arguments to '-exec', however this is not the case |
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| 22:09.17 | frikinz | file "{}" \; |
| 22:09.17 | Jon__ | in daemons.log it brings this "Aug 29 20:15:30 dividedbyzero dbus-daemon: [system] Reloaded configuration" pretty often, dunno if it's something to worry about |
| 22:09.19 | jordanm | Horace[LG855]: remove the quotes around the command: -exec file {} \; |
| 22:09.48 | Horace[LG855] | Thanks |
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| 22:11.31 | Jon__ | aha! |
| 22:11.47 | Jon__ | in .xsession-errors it talks about some errors concerning dbus and glibc |
| 22:12.02 | Jon__ | I'll upload it, one sec |
| 22:12.51 | Horace[LG855] | Alright that work, interestingly when I was reviewing the man docs, the part regarding ';' unusual and it didn't darn on me to pass the shell escape character |
| 22:12.52 | Jon__ | jordanm, frikinz: http://pastebin.ca/2199478 |
| 22:13.46 | jordanm | Jon__: why are you running as root? |
| 22:13.54 | nsadmin | Horace[LG855], you mean for find? |
| 22:14.05 | Jon__ | I start gdm as root |
| 22:14.15 | Jon__ | then log in as normal user |
| 22:14.17 | jordanm | Jon__: those errors are all because dbus is not running |
| 22:15.00 | jordanm | Jon__: are you sure starting dbus manually is working? can you pastebin /var/log/daemon.log? |
| 22:15.03 | Jon__ | jordanm: but shouldn't it be running for I put dbus into Required-start? |
| 22:15.12 | Jon__ | one sec |
| 22:15.25 | Horace[LG855] | nsadmin: yes |
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| 22:15.33 | jordanm | Jon__: none of this stuff should require messing with. it works by default |
| 22:15.57 | nsadmin | yeah, find... Horace[LG855], you may be interested in (1) what are the special chars to the shell, and (2) what are the shell quoting rules |
| 22:16.06 | Jon__ | jordanm: I know, but I always have bad luck with "should work out-of-the-box" ^^ |
| 22:16.16 | Horace[LG855] | nsadmin: Thanks |
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| 22:16.42 | Jon__ | jordanm: daemon.log: http://pastebin.ca/2199482 |
| 22:16.42 | frikinz | Horace[LG855]: it says in the manpage that {} and ; might need to be escaped (with a `\') or quoted to protect them from expansion by the shell. |
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| 22:17.15 | Horace[LG855] | frikinz: Ahh, must have skim pass it, I'll take more care next |
| 22:17.22 | Horace[LG855] | time* |
| 22:17.27 | nsadmin | to have a better understanding of these two things will go surprisingly far... if you use the shell even as little as 20% of the time, these pieces will come in very handy, to the point you'll be intuitive as to where and why to apply quoting |
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| 22:18.00 | frikinz | Horace[LG855]: it also says to look at EXAMPLES ;) which shows .... find . -type f -exec file '{}' \; |
| 22:18.08 | jordanm | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes |
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| 22:18.33 | Horace[LG855] | frikinz: Well, interestingly, when I was pondering on the dilemma, I had initially place ';' within the quotes, which didn't work |
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| 22:19.09 | nsadmin | hmm... that should have worked |
| 22:19.14 | frikinz | Horace[LG855]: sure it needs ; as an argument alone |
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| 22:20.04 | Horace[LG855] | Well it's working now, moving along to my next dilemma :) |
| 22:20.13 | nsadmin | also find is pretty wild in its swiss-army-knife-like flexibility |
| 22:20.48 | nsadmin | I smoked two lemmas in de morning... |
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| 22:25.27 | Jon__ | I think ""** ERROR **: Not enough memory to set up DBusConnection for use with GLib"" that's not good? |
| 22:26.33 | frikinz | dbus-daemon: [system] Reloaded configuration doesnt look good either |
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| 22:31.23 | Jon__ | brb |
| 22:34.46 | jordanm | Jon__: are you running selinux? maybe policykit is causing issues |
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| 22:36.30 | Jon__ | oki, reinstalling dbus didn't work |
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| 22:40.48 | jordanm | Jon__: show the output of: "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy policykit-1 dbus consolekit |
| 22:40.57 | Jon__ | oki |
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| 22:44.20 | Jon__ | jordanm: http://pastebin.de/29217 |
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| 22:45.45 | frikinz | Jon__: did it ever work? |
| 22:46.06 | jordanm | the livecd installer... didn't know that actually worked |
| 22:46.15 | Jon__ | frikinz: well, the first time I started it yes, but after then not |
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| 22:46.46 | frikinz | Jon__: do you really login as root in gdm? |
| 22:47.02 | Jon__ | frikinz: I start gdm as root, but log in as a normal user |
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| 22:48.31 | frikinz | 'I start gdm' you mean .. manually? because of this problem? |
| 22:48.41 | Jon__ | yep |
| 22:49.02 | Jon__ | I boot into the recovery console, then start dbus, then gdm |
| 22:49.34 | frikinz | can't remember what recovery is since I never use it. I hope its not runlevel 1 :/ |
| 22:49.47 | Jon__ | nah, it's 3 |
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| 22:50.30 | Jon__ | I know it's far from an optimal bootup, but it's the only way to get to a halfway-working gnome :/ |
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| 22:55.38 | frikinz | I wonder if gnome still works with kdm |
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| 22:57.01 | Jon__ | it probably would, but my problem lies somewhere in dbus, because when I try to start wicd or any other program that uses dbus, the system crashes |
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| 22:57.35 | frikinz | yes yes, just out of ideas :) |
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| 22:59.51 | Jon__ | me too ^^ |
| 22:59.58 | frikinz | you could try running dbus as standalone to see its potential error. /etc/init.d/dbus stop , /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork |
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| 23:00.10 | Jon__ | *try* |
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| 23:01.10 | frikinz | hum I just realized my dbus-dameon is started twice and one of the two instance runs with a uid 102 which doesn't exist on my system. interesting |
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| 23:01.52 | Jon___ | argh.. frikinz can you post the last thing again? I was faster with the keyboard than with my brain :D |
| 23:02.10 | frikinz | /etc/init.d/dbus stop ; /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork |
| 23:02.14 | Jon___ | thanks :D |
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| 23:03.40 | Jon___ | frikinz: will I get an usable output or something like that? |
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| 23:05.04 | frikinz | I think that won't lead you anywhere in fact :) |
| 23:05.11 | Jon___ | hmm okay |
| 23:05.16 | frikinz | as its not supposed to be started as root |
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| 23:05.44 | Jon___ | so I should start it as a normal user? |
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| 23:06.54 | frikinz | there are two daemon, one started by init as user 102 messagebus, the other is per user .. |
| 23:07.04 | frikinz | first one needs the --system param |
| 23:07.20 | Jon___ | hmh |
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| 23:08.05 | Jon___ | so basically I must first run dbus-daemon --system as root, then dbus-daemon --nofork as user? |
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| 23:19.21 | k1ng_ | Ìû |
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| 23:25.49 | Mjbmr | Hello, anyone knows how to set "ncurses" location while I want to compile "nano"? |
| 23:25.58 | abrotman | Mjbmr: why would you compile nano? |
| 23:26.06 | abrotman | Mjbmr: and you want libncurses-dev or similar |
| 23:26.22 | Mjbmr | no root access. |
| 23:26.43 | Mjbmr | I need to compile it by my self. |
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| 23:28.40 | Mjbmr | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jh4nz1pp |
| 23:29.28 | abrotman | okay, so you compile the library too ? |
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| 23:30.03 | lidar | Mjbmr, edit the makefile also possibly export NCURSSES-Variable=/path/to/ncurse |
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| 23:32.29 | Ryushin | The only sure things in life, death, taxes, and abrotman on the debian channel. |
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| 23:34.35 | abrotman | HI |
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| 23:34.42 | abrotman | Ryushin: you've been gone awhile ... |
| 23:35.03 | Ryushin | Yea. Been working, busy with life, getting old. :( |
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| 23:35.43 | abrotman | pfft .. getting old is for old people |
| 23:36.34 | Ryushin | I think a large part of it, is that I pretty much come here to help others when I have time. |
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| 23:37.14 | abrotman | that's a good thing |
| 23:37.16 | Ryushin | abrotman: Well, age is in the mind and the body. You're only as old as you feel. Problem is, the clock is always ticking. I've been trying to stop it with no success. |
| 23:37.59 | Ryushin | Of course, things would be a lot easier if I could make that money tree actually grow and take root. |
| 23:38.38 | Ryushin | Helping my wifes son take care of his two identical twins, who are two years old over the next few days. |
| 23:38.56 | Ryushin | Though I just made a great dish in my crockpot. Enjoying that now. |
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| 23:42.37 | Ryushin | I've been thinking that Debian team should make every other release a long term support release. |
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| 23:47.44 | lidar | Ryushin, like ubuntu ? |
| 23:48.08 | Ryushin | lidar: Yea. |
| 23:48.19 | Ryushin | Makes it hard to push Debian in the enterprise. |
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| 23:48.34 | Ryushin | Though I have it installed in the enterprise just fine right now. |
| 23:49.03 | Ryushin | Partly because I'm the Linux Engineer/Admin so I got to do what I wanted. |
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| 23:50.40 | lidar | Ryushin, i think a supported server version would be popular perhaps im not sure desktop would benifit |
| 23:50.40 | clod89 | ok this is a stupid question but i can't find the default debian squeeze wallpaper, is it in some package? (without installing the whole gnome) or can someone give me a link to it? |
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| 23:51.27 | phox | hey. wondering if there is a way to add a dependency to an init script in a way that doesn't get clobbered when the script is updated by apt... |
| 23:51.52 | Ryushin | lidar: Yea, I agree. A limited subset of packages. Mostly geared towards server duties. |
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| 23:52.12 | lidar | clod89, try locate .png|grep -i debian |
| 23:52.55 | lidar | Ryushin, my reason for saying that is my desktop i always want newest whatever so i use testing usually unstable |
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| 23:53.22 | Ryushin | I agree. My laptop has run sid for over a decade. |
| 23:53.30 | Ryushin | Probably closer to 14 years or so. |
| 23:53.48 | clod89 | lidar: nope nothing relevant showed up, just the logo |
| 23:54.09 | lidar | clod89, same thing with other picture types |
| 23:54.14 | Ryushin | clod89: So you have the name of the logo? |
| 23:54.33 | abrotman | phox: it should be a conf file i'd think .. which file and what are you changing ? |
| 23:54.53 | lidar | clod89, locate share |grep png maybe |
| 23:55.09 | phox | abrotman: I want nfs-kernel-server to dep on zfs =/ |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | phox: that's part of the lsb tags |
| 23:55.31 | abrotman | !tell phox about lsb tags |
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| 23:56.54 | clod89 | lidar: nope i think it gets installed only with gnome |
| 23:57.06 | lidar | !tell lidar about debian |
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| 23:57.45 | phox | abrotman: ah, ok, so X-Start-Before and X-Stop-After |
| 23:57.46 | Ryushin | clod89: Do you know the name of the wallpaper you are looking for? |
| 23:58.02 | lidar | clod89, im not sure what yopur looking for . but google image search can find it possibly |
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| 23:59.04 | Ryushin | clod89: You can always use apt-file search to locate which package it is in. |
| 23:59.10 | clod89 | Ryushin: nope, it's the one that should show up by default when installing gnome, google did not help, i'd give a link but i'm kind of limited as far as mouse and keyboard right now (ibook g4, no right click and no ins to paste in the terminal) |
| 23:59.51 | lidar | clod89, isnt there a debian artwork package ? |
| 23:59.54 | Ryushin | ick. No right click, no middle click. How do you survive. |
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