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| 00:00.02 | phunyguy | (except support) |
| 00:00.23 | wjtaylor | Can one of you guys do me a favor, since you're talking about a/v |
| 00:00.25 | wjtaylor | ? |
| 00:00.25 | nsadmin | look where you are... on a support channel... and there's no money here either |
| 00:00.36 | grothendieck | what, they aren't paying you guys? |
| 00:00.38 | nsadmin | depends what it is |
| 00:00.42 | grothendieck | I get a check every week |
| 00:00.46 | phunyguy | hahahaha |
| 00:00.52 | phunyguy | i like you. you can stay. |
| 00:00.59 | phunyguy | as for YOU nsadmin |
| 00:01.03 | phunyguy | you can stay too. |
| 00:01.09 | nsadmin | :P |
| 00:01.34 | phunyguy | on that note, I need food. |
| 00:01.38 | dioz | well no thanks to you guys i figured it out |
| 00:01.42 | phunyguy | adios and thanks. |
| 00:01.46 | dioz | arp_announce and arp_filter |
| 00:01.47 | grothendieck | phunyguy: np, see ya |
| 00:01.49 | phunyguy | o.O |
| 00:01.50 | grothendieck | dioz: cool |
| 00:01.53 | wjtaylor | Can someone go to gnome volume control and unmute your recording inputs, close, reopen and see if they are still muted? |
| 00:01.58 | phunyguy | dioz, how I did it is how it works. |
| 00:02.03 | nsadmin | dioz, cool :) |
| 00:02.05 | wjtaylor | That would seriously be a huge help to me. |
| 00:02.08 | phunyguy | wjtaylor: I would but I am KDE |
| 00:02.17 | phunyguy | dioz, you thank. |
| 00:02.18 | grothendieck | wjtaylor: XFCE |
| 00:02.22 | phunyguy | not criticize. |
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| 00:02.31 | nsadmin | dioz, best possible outcome. you get to learn something new. |
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| 00:03.03 | wjtaylor | damn. Have you guys ever heard of a bug in debian where you can't record off a sound card? |
| 00:03.22 | grothendieck | ask on #linux |
| 00:03.26 | grothendieck | that is probably a kernel thing |
| 00:03.30 | nsadmin | wjtaylor maybe it's a reported bug... |
| 00:03.34 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 00:03.34 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS |
| 00:03.44 | wjtaylor | I think it's the gnome volume control. Alsa looks good. |
| 00:03.55 | phunyguy | pulseaudio? |
| 00:04.09 | wjtaylor | How does that tie in? I'm still not clear. |
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| 00:04.12 | grothendieck | there are like a million things...audio subsystem is one thing I will never understand about linux |
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| 00:04.30 | phunyguy | pulseaudio runs on top of Alsa I think |
| 00:04.40 | grothendieck | phunyguy: it does |
| 00:04.40 | phunyguy | I dont know either though |
| 00:04.44 | phunyguy | and I need food. |
| 00:04.46 | grothendieck | ALSA is in the kernel, pulse is in the userland |
| 00:04.49 | wjtaylor | Is there a command to unmute the mic from the cli? |
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| 00:05.01 | phunyguy | alsa-mixer |
| 00:05.02 | grothendieck | alsamixer |
| 00:05.06 | grothendieck | yah |
| 00:05.06 | phunyguy | but if you use pulse, it will override |
| 00:05.16 | nsadmin | that's in alsa-utils fyi :) |
| 00:05.29 | wjtaylor | to my knowledge, mute/unmute only works on playback inputs, not capture intputs in alsa. |
| 00:05.41 | frikinz | linux audio is actually quite easy: http://matt.bottrell.com.au/uploads/Pics/linuxaudio.png :p |
| 00:05.53 | grothendieck | heh |
| 00:06.16 | grothendieck | s/easy/a huge mess/ |
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| 00:06.18 | wjtaylor | alsa mixer is pretty easy to get to. How do I get to the pulse mixer? |
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| 00:06.52 | grothendieck | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/CLI |
| 00:07.09 | grothendieck | if only it were so easy wjtaylor |
| 00:07.57 | wjtaylor | lol. tell me about it. I have a lot riding on this, and i've been working on ths for days. |
| 00:08.19 | grothendieck | I would seriously ask in #linux |
| 00:08.24 | user-X | bye bye Debian Users ^^ |
| 00:08.27 | wjtaylor | All my sound recording software in both VM and for linux rendered useless with this issue. |
| 00:08.35 | wjtaylor | I'll check out #linux |
| 00:08.35 | dioz | bye user-X |
| 00:08.40 | wjtaylor | thx |
| 00:09.44 | nsadmin | dioz, one thing that might be helpful to you in the future, is to move away from ifconfig and route and toward ip |
| 00:09.45 | grothendieck | there are a lot of people there who have deeper knowledge on the kernel and drivers |
| 00:10.02 | grothendieck | wjtaylor: good luck |
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| 00:10.09 | dioz | nsadmin: do you have any clue what you'er talking about? |
| 00:10.12 | lidar | wjtaylor: aumix |
| 00:10.22 | dioz | it has nothing to do with route or ifconfig or ip |
| 00:10.39 | wjtaylor | aumix? |
| 00:10.55 | nsadmin | dioz, my statement stands. either check it out or don't. |
| 00:11.06 | dioz | as i specifically said... all the arp's are going out eth0 |
| 00:11.08 | dioz | which is confusing my switch |
| 00:11.16 | dioz | how do i make the arps go out their specific interface |
| 00:11.22 | dioz | that has nothing to do with routes or ifconfig or ip |
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| 00:11.40 | lidar | wjtaylor: its a program to adjust volumes ect. ect. from cli |
| 00:12.10 | grothendieck | dioz: and arp_filter was the fix? |
| 00:12.36 | dioz | arp_announce and arp_ignore was the fix |
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| 00:13.08 | wjtaylor | lidar does it work with pulse or alsa? |
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| 00:14.27 | nsadmin | dioz, in the future you might consider refraining from making it look to yourself like someone else is less in order to meke it look to yourself like you are more. *perm plonk* |
| 00:15.13 | grothendieck | at least in this channel |
| 00:15.29 | grothendieck | I usually go to #ubuntu when I want to belittle others to make myself feel better |
| 00:15.59 | nsadmin | dioz's reputation preceeds him; he's done this kind of thing many times before |
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| 00:16.01 | grothendieck | (kidding, taht just happens on its own) |
| 00:16.32 | grothendieck | nsadmin: so it goes |
| 00:16.40 | nsadmin | yep |
| 00:16.41 | grothendieck | IRC: a place for friends |
| 00:16.48 | nsadmin | not :) |
| 00:16.52 | lidar | cant we all get along ? |
| 00:17.24 | dioz | nsadmin: in the future you might not spew pointless drivel that has nothing to do with the question at hand |
| 00:17.25 | grothendieck | oh you'd like that, wouldn't you |
| 00:17.42 | dioz | it isn't erally helpful when someone comes in saying they have a headache and you start looknig a their anus |
| 00:17.55 | lidar | dioz: lol |
| 00:18.02 | grothendieck | dioz: speak for yourself |
| 00:18.23 | dioz | speak for myself? |
| 00:18.35 | grothendieck | re: looking into anus not helping headaches |
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| 00:20.08 | lidar | wjtaylor: not sure let me know if it works |
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| 00:24.26 | wjtaylor | no |
| 00:24.34 | wjtaylor | lidar are you running gnome? |
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| 00:28.03 | lidar | wjtaylor: not right the minute |
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| 00:29.09 | grothendieck | I'm off, see ya later |
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| 01:09.28 | Orbitrix | hey guys im trying to get MySQL 5.6 installed on debian 6 |
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| 01:09.38 | abrotman | but it doesn't have that versoin |
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| 01:10.51 | Orbitrix | on a fresh install, with no mysql installed i tried installing mysql-5.6.6-m9-debian6.0-i686.deb |
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| 01:12.05 | Rotaerk | anyone know why I might have 2 audio devices listed in lspci, but only one shows up in aplay -l |
| 01:12.12 | Orbitrix | the offical deb package |
| 01:12.20 | Orbitrix | and it basicly puts everything in /opt/mysql/ |
| 01:12.21 | dvs | Rotaerk: HDMI? |
| 01:12.24 | Orbitrix | that doesnt seem right? any ideas? |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | Orbitrix: that package is not official, or from Debian |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | Rotaerk: modem? |
| 01:12.38 | Rotaerk | yes, one's HDMI, and I think it's incorrectly using that instead of the non-HDMI one |
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| 01:13.11 | Rotaerk | but I thought both should show up in aplay |
| 01:13.22 | Rotaerk | just trying to figure out how to get it to use the right one.. |
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| 01:17.27 | dvs | Rotaerk: You have to create a conf file in /etc/modprobe.d with the contents "options snd-XXX index=0" in it where snd-XXX is the kernel module for the sound card you want to show up first. |
| 01:18.03 | Rotaerk | hmm k |
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| 01:21.16 | Rotaerk | dvs, how do I know what module is connected to which PCI device |
| 01:21.39 | dvs | Rotaerk: it varies depending on your hardware |
| 01:21.49 | dvs | well, between hardware |
| 01:22.33 | Rotaerk | dvs, http://pastebin.com/bLuA2QuJ |
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| 01:22.53 | Rotaerk | the second audio device, near the bottom, indicates the kernel driver in use is HDA Intel |
| 01:23.04 | Rotaerk | which I would guess is snd_hda_intel |
| 01:23.14 | Rotaerk | err s/_/-/ |
| 01:23.38 | Rotaerk | however, I believe that's the HDMI device |
| 01:23.58 | Rotaerk | the other audio device, further up doesn't HAVE a kernel driver in use |
| 01:24.02 | dvs | Rotaerk: so it's probably snd_intel_hda |
| 01:24.04 | Rotaerk | which I think is the problem |
| 01:24.38 | dvs | oops, I mean snd_hda_intel |
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| 01:25.14 | Rotaerk | dvs, right, but... it's using that module on the wrong device |
| 01:25.22 | Rotaerk | on the HDMI one |
| 01:25.58 | Rotaerk | and then nothing on the intel on-board sound device |
| 01:26.21 | Rotaerk | aplay -l only lists one device: |
| 01:26.22 | Rotaerk | card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI] |
| 01:26.47 | Rotaerk | which is consistent with the lspci not having a kernel module with the intel audio device |
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| 01:27.14 | Rotaerk | but I'm not clear on how to ... associate a module with the intel device |
| 01:27.39 | Rotaerk | I mean it seems like it's something at a lower-level than the stuff in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 01:27.48 | dvs | Rotaerk: You can try blacklisting the snd_hda_codec_atihdmi module |
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| 01:27.55 | Rotaerk | hmm |
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| 01:30.12 | Rotaerk | dvs, oh btw, after making changes to these confs, how do I get also to restart? this site mentions "/etc/init.d/alsasound restart" and "/sbin/alsa force-reload" |
| 01:30.24 | Rotaerk | I'm thinking it's /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 01:30.47 | Rotaerk | (and I did it, but since I'm not seeing a change, I'm not sure) |
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| 01:31.13 | dvs | Rotaerk: I just restart the computer (cause I'm lazy). |
| 01:31.41 | Nik05 | you need to restart alsa? |
| 01:31.52 | dvs | yup |
| 01:32.01 | Rotaerk | for the conf changes to take effect |
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| 01:32.29 | Rotaerk | well if blacklisting works, then alsa-utils restart doesn't |
| 01:32.45 | Rotaerk | I'll try a reboot |
| 01:32.46 | Rotaerk | brb |
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| 01:33.33 | Nik05 | isnt it /etc/init.d/alsad? |
| 01:33.39 | simonlnu | assign each module to a specific pci id |
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| 01:34.34 | simonlnu | Nik05: never has been . in the past it's been alsa-utils, then alsa, then got switched over to /usr/sbin/alsa |
| 01:34.47 | Nik05 | right |
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| 01:35.11 | simonlnu | :P |
| 01:35.22 | Rotaerk | well, a reboot taught me two things |
| 01:35.44 | Rotaerk | 1) restarting /etc/init.d/alsa-utils didn't cause it to look at the .confs... |
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| 01:35.58 | Rotaerk | 2) reboot did, and the changes to the confs didn't work... |
| 01:36.25 | Rotaerk | blacklisting that snd_hda_codec_atihdmi module just caused aplay -l to be *empty* now |
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| 01:37.26 | Nik05 | isnt oit alsactl? |
| 01:38.16 | Nik05 | sbib/alsa is in alsa-base |
| 01:38.36 | Nik05 | sbin/alsa-utils and alsactl are in alsa-utils |
| 01:38.44 | Rotaerk | alsa-base is installed, but there is no sbin/alsa |
| 01:39.02 | Rotaerk | I have alsactl, but the only references to that that I've seen are "run this and it should magically setup your device" |
| 01:39.05 | Rotaerk | (and it didn't) |
| 01:41.03 | Rotaerk | basically, alsactl init just gives me: |
| 01:41.03 | Rotaerk | Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "ATI ID aa01" "HDA:1002aa01,00aa0100,00100300" "0x1682" "0xaaa0" |
| 01:41.20 | Rotaerk | the wiki pages and such indicate to ignore that, reboot, and test audio |
| 01:41.32 | Rotaerk | but doing so just proves it still doesn't work |
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| 01:43.12 | Rotaerk | Nik05, hmm looks like alsactl just manipulates the state of alsa based on this /var/lib/alsa/asound.state file, but looking at it, the stuff in there seems irrelevant to the issue I'm trying to fix |
| 01:44.38 | Nik05 | ok |
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| 01:54.19 | nsadmin | Rotaerk, how many /etc/init.d/alsa* exist? |
| 01:54.59 | Rotaerk | just alsa-utils |
| 01:55.08 | Rotaerk | that's all |
| 01:55.32 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 01:55.46 | Rotaerk | oh interesting; just ran: apt-file list alsa-base |
| 01:55.55 | Rotaerk | it put the "also" into /usr/sbin |
| 01:56.15 | nsadmin | , file etc/init.d/alsa* |
| 01:56.21 | judd | Search for etc/init.d/alsa* in squeeze/i386: alsa-utils: etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
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| 01:57.11 | nsadmin | that confirms no other alsa* in that dir from any package |
| 01:57.23 | Rotaerk | yea I think I could restart alsa using /usr/sbin/alsa |
| 01:57.25 | Rotaerk | one sec |
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| 01:57.38 | Rotaerk | (although that only solves the minor curiosity, not my driver issue) |
| 01:57.49 | nsadmin | might as well check its man page |
| 01:58.22 | Rotaerk | yep, that did it; /usr/sbin/alsa force-reload |
| 01:58.29 | Rotaerk | now causes the HDMI device to show back up in aplay -l |
| 01:58.47 | nsadmin | is that good? :) |
| 01:59.01 | Rotaerk | it just means I was able to restart alsa without rebooting :P |
| 01:59.04 | Rotaerk | so I'm back to square 1 |
| 01:59.24 | Rotaerk | I suspect maybe the onboard sound device, even though it shows up in lspci, doesn't have driver support in this version of debian |
| 01:59.24 | nsadmin | oh, ok... that's handy |
| 01:59.51 | Rotaerk | because I don't see any way of saying to use a specific sound *device* |
| 02:00.06 | Rotaerk | everything I've seen talks about controlling which *modules* to use, such as snd-hda-intel |
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| 02:00.20 | Rotaerk | but that is associated with the HDMI device, because that's the one that driver is running |
| 02:00.21 | nsadmin | could you show the line for it in lspci -nn? |
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| 02:01.06 | nsadmin | you might take a look at /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:01.38 | Rotaerk | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:1e20] (rev 04) |
| 02:01.38 | Rotaerk | 01:00.1 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:aaa0] |
| 02:01.53 | Rotaerk | is from: lspci -nn | grep Audio |
| 02:02.01 | nsadmin | , pciid [1002:aaa0] |
| 02:02.02 | judd | [1002:aaa0] is 'Tahiti XT HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7970 Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:aaa0 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 02:02.26 | Rotaerk | 1002:aaa0 is the one that's currently running, the video card... |
| 02:02.29 | Rotaerk | i.e. HDMI |
| 02:02.35 | Rotaerk | it's the other one that's not doing anything |
| 02:02.50 | Rotaerk | , pciid [8086:1e20] |
| 02:02.51 | judd | [8086:1e20] is '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1e20 |
| 02:03.01 | nsadmin | how many cards show up in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 02:03.03 | Rotaerk | hmm interesting |
| 02:03.08 | Rotaerk | ata_generic it says |
| 02:03.33 | Rotaerk | no ata_generic module is running according to lsmod |
| 02:04.00 | Rotaerk | /proc/asound/cards shows: |
| 02:04.01 | Rotaerk | 0 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic |
| 02:04.01 | Rotaerk | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.08 | Rotaerk | that's it |
| 02:04.30 | nsadmin | so the other card isn;t even seen by alsa or the kernel |
| 02:04.42 | nsadmin | other than lspci |
| 02:05.09 | Rotaerk | right |
| 02:05.52 | soloman | i use an asound.conf file to control a specific device |
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| 02:07.11 | Rotaerk | soloman, would that solve the problem of alsa not even knowing about a card? |
| 02:07.26 | soloman | oh it doesnt even see it? |
| 02:07.30 | Rotaerk | right |
| 02:07.43 | Rotaerk | I don't know what that means though, what would cause that |
| 02:07.47 | Rotaerk | lack of driver support? |
| 02:07.50 | soloman | nor do I |
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| 02:08.01 | soloman | Rockj, sounds like it sort of |
| 02:08.11 | soloman | is there anything in dmesg ? |
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| 02:08.37 | soloman | indicating some failure to load the drivers for some device or another ? |
| 02:09.04 | soloman | not sure what you would grep for though |
| 02:09.13 | soloman | its going to be a long read |
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| 02:14.23 | Rotaerk | soloman, not sure either; skimmed through it and don't see anything obvious |
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| 02:22.00 | Rotaerk | hmm does it seem right that my alsa version should be 1.0.21 |
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| 02:27.11 | Rotaerk | I know my sound worked fine in Sid when I tried that |
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| 02:30.10 | lidar | hello |
| 02:36.34 | Rotaerk | hmm is driver support inherent to the kernel version or what |
| 02:36.46 | Rotaerk | I mean, if I assume that the problem is driver support, what can I do about that |
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| 02:38.51 | steampunkey | Chromium now mandates extensions be (first uploaded ot, and then) installed from the Chrome webstore. Why did this anti-feature slip into the Debian package? |
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| 02:44.22 | Rotaerk | hmm actually, I think my audio is realtek based; gonna try the official drivers from realtek.com |
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| 02:52.36 | Rotaerk | hmm woot |
| 02:53.59 | Rotaerk | the realtek drivers seem to have worked; although it's not perfect |
| 02:54.06 | Rotaerk | for instance speaker-test gives a lot of write errors |
| 02:54.20 | Rotaerk | and if I try to watch youtube, there's a lot of static/crackling |
| 02:54.28 | somiaj | Rotaerk: most drivers come with the kernel, so yes driver support is related to the kernel you are running and a newer kernel will have newer drivers. are you running the 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 02:54.49 | somiaj | Rotaerk: though some drivers are just compiled to your kernel so not all drivers are in the kernel. |
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| 02:55.21 | Rotaerk | somiaj, yep, 2.6.32 |
| 02:55.25 | Rotaerk | is the version I'm using |
| 02:56.16 | Rotaerk | I do know the audio worked fine in Sid |
| 02:56.41 | somiaj | you can get a newer kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 02:59.16 | Rotaerk | hmm I'll uninstall these realtek drivers and try that |
| 02:59.47 | Gryllida | abrotman: I have a something-conf (gconf?) setting which is a file path. What I am trying to do is to get package name and description using the said file path in C. Would you happen to know what libraries I could try to use? |
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| 03:14.09 | Rotaerk | awesome, realtek drivers don't have an uninstaller |
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| 03:15.19 | lidar | blacklist the module ? |
| 03:15.42 | lidar | anyone remember lilo? i was wondering if the driver was ever caught |
| 03:16.35 | Rotaerk | hmm I'll try that |
| 03:16.37 | Rotaerk | brb |
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| 03:29.18 | m1 | lets say during debian install from netinstall image one forgets to install a graphical desktop system i.e. all one is left with in a vanilla tty1 environment. are there any resources on the installed system can be be used as a guide to proceed further? |
| 03:30.12 | somiaj | m1: just rerun tasksel |
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| 03:30.23 | somiaj | m1: mgith just beable to type it on the terminal and choose graphical enviroment |
| 03:30.35 | archetech | deb is picking up the sound chip from my nv 460 vid card how do I chnage it to my sound card |
| 03:31.01 | archetech | alsaconf doesnt come up |
| 03:31.06 | somiaj | archetech: cat /proc/asound/cards will show you your cards, then you can configure the default sound card in ~/.asoundrc (or tell each application which sound card to use) |
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| 03:32.00 | m1 | somiaj: thanks. you mean that there are no manuals or resources to guide an fresher to continue on. |
| 03:32.29 | somiaj | m1: well the base system is just that, but you can go read the install guide and other guides to help you put what you want on the base system |
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| 03:33.01 | somiaj | m1: every installed command has a man page, 'man command', but if all you want is a graphical enviroment, rerun tasksel and let it install it all for ya unless you want to use apt to install just the pieces you want |
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| 03:33.17 | archetech | Ok I see the card in the path you said but no .asoundc in my user home dir |
| 03:34.01 | xzgv | hi, how do i untar a .txz ? |
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| 03:34.08 | m1 | somiaj: thanks. well i somehow managed to install X. now i have loads of problems like how to increase the size of fonts in xterm etc. so what definitive guide can a beginner follow to better enjoy the debian experience? |
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| 03:34.42 | m1 | somiaj: that tasksel tip is much appreciated. thanks. |
| 03:35.56 | somiaj | depends, read the man page for xterm if you want to see how to set the differnt fonts, or figure out things like ctrl right/left click brings up menus |
| 03:36.03 | somiaj | so 'man xterm' will have lots of info about xterm |
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| 03:36.32 | somiaj | you can also look into some books, I think 'linux in a nutshell' is set up for a beginner, there are also tons of references online (though I don't know any I just picked things up from many places over the years) |
| 03:37.03 | m1 | thanks somiaj |
| 03:40.40 | jelly-home | xzgv: does tar xvf foo.txz not work? Assuming it's .tar.xz, you can xz -dc foo.tar.xz | tar xvf - |
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| 03:43.21 | twmb | I have a problem: I have the "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main" and such in my /etc/apt/sources.list, however I cannot apt-get update or install anything |
| 03:43.37 | twmb | I thiought it might e that I am not configured to connect to the internet or anything |
| 03:43.45 | twmb | but I can ping google.com |
| 03:44.35 | twmb | When I was installing it on the flash drive (using the method that would treat it like a disk), I also could not choose a mirror |
| 03:45.19 | twmb | And I originally had the "deb[src] http://security.." lines commented out |
| 03:45.28 | twmb | which I put back in |
| 03:45.34 | twmb | or, uncommented, rather. |
| 03:46.59 | twmb | The problems I get when I run "apt-get update" are "Ign http:ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/updates Releas " and |
| 03:47.16 | twmb | "err http://ftp.us.org squeeze-updates/main Sources" |
| 03:47.41 | twmb | Could not connect to ftp.us.debian.org:80 (64.33.162.2). - connect (110:Connection timed out) |
| 03:48.11 | twmb | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/source/Sources/gz 404 Not Found" |
| 03:48.32 | twmb | and that same thing for /main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found" |
| 03:48.33 | twmb | and so on |
| 03:48.50 | twmb | Would anybody know how to help? |
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| 03:59.05 | twmb | version: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 03:59.09 | twmb | (from uname-a |
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| 04:00.02 | lidar | the newest is 3.5.3 |
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| 04:02.50 | twmb | wtf |
| 04:02.54 | twmb | how did I get this old POS then |
| 04:03.00 | twmb | I've been having hassles for the past hour |
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| 04:05.50 | Devastator | twmb you can get a newer kernel using backports, but only if you really need it |
| 04:06.06 | Devastator | it's not 3.5.3, it's 3.2.0 iirc |
| 04:06.48 | twmb | no, I will reinstall |
| 04:07.03 | m_ | installed the ttf-dejavu-core package .... put the line "XTerm*faceName: xft:Dejavu Sans Mono:pixelsize=11.5" in ~/.Xresources ... xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources ... closed xterm and then started again .. but the font size does not change .. in xterm i can change the fonts using the Control+ right mouse button menu .. what can i do to change the xterm font? |
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| 04:07.54 | twmb | lidar: I don't really understand though, I downloaded this iso: debian-update-6.0.5-i386-CD-12.iso |
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| 04:09.23 | lidar | Devastator: kernel.org says 3.5.3 |
| 04:10.00 | lidar | twmb: thats the update disk 12 of something |
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| 04:10.18 | lidar | twmb: are you trying to do a new install ? |
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| 04:12.30 | twmb | lidar: yes |
| 04:13.44 | lidar | twmb: if you have decent net connection get the net install .iso |
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| 04:13.55 | Devastator | lidar we are talking about debian stable, not kernel.org |
| 04:13.59 | twmb | lidar: How would I do that at this point? |
| 04:14.30 | lidar | twmb http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 04:15.08 | twmb | lidar: can I do that through a usb stick? |
| 04:15.30 | lidar | twmb: yeah use unetbootin to make the stick |
| 04:16.20 | lidar | twmb: there are several ways to make the stick but unetbootin does it in a few clicks |
| 04:16.50 | twmb | lidar: I've used it before... I tought it just made it a bootable stick (as in, OS on the stick, not on the hard drive) |
| 04:17.25 | m_ | i recommend against the use of unetbootin |
| 04:18.25 | twmb | m_: why? |
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| 04:18.52 | m_ | when i used unetbootin to prepare my usb stick ... the install would always hang at the partition stage ... then somebody here recommended that i use the cat mini.iso > /dev/sdX method as root and then i could install witout any trouble |
| 04:19.40 | twmb | I'm setting up from windows on this computer to a laptop that is mine |
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| 04:20.01 | twmb | cat isn't an option right now |
| 04:20.16 | m_ | twmb, oh i see. well best of luck in any case. |
| 04:21.20 | lidar | twmb: ive used unetbootin successfully like 8 times with various distros i did have it fail once .. but its simple enough to redo if it wont boot or soemthing strange\ |
| 04:21.42 | twmb | Yeah, I've used it once with DSL to make a life boot... worked perfect |
| 04:21.44 | twmb | ly |
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| 04:33.50 | twmb | Alright, I used unetbootin |
| 04:34.04 | twmb | So now this is asking for CD-ROM drivers, but I have no cd-rom drive |
| 04:34.07 | twmb | what do? |
| 04:34.32 | twmb | I said none for the cd-rom thing |
| 04:34.39 | twmb | (sorry, passed and forget the details) |
| 04:35.11 | m_ | how do i fix the xterm fonts? my ~/.Xresources does not seem to be honored XTerm*faceName: DejaVuSansMono |
| 04:36.22 | twmb | nvm, shouldn't have not choesen the default. |
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| 04:36.57 | somiaj | m_: you have to load that file with xrdb, so 'man xrdb' |
| 04:37.08 | twmb | Actually, I cannot detect and mount a cd-rom because I do not have one. |
| 04:37.11 | twmb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.30 | somiaj | it is usually loaded by default when you start x, but if you change it you need to -load or -merge the new rules. Also make sure that is a valid font name for xterm. |
| 04:37.44 | m_ | somiaj, yeah i did that too ... xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources and then restarted xterm .. but no change :( |
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| 04:39.59 | excalibr | Anyone familiar with chroot? Do i need to build a totally new chroot environment if I just want to chroot a single app? |
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| 04:41.21 | somiaj | m_: you need spaces, the actual font is DejaVu Sans Mono (according to my system) |
| 04:41.59 | m_ | somiaj, i have tried that as well and just now i tried XTerm*faceName: bitstream .. that too did not work |
| 04:42.18 | somiaj | xterm accepts that option in -fa, so you can run it from a terminal |
| 04:42.39 | somiaj | xterm -fa "DejaVu Sans Mono" |
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| 04:42.45 | m_ | somiaj, thanks let me try that just to test if it works :) |
| 04:43.22 | m_ | somiaj, that worked ! |
| 04:43.36 | somiaj | try putting quotes around the name in your .Xresources file now |
| 04:43.42 | m_ | ok sir |
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| 04:45.15 | m_ | somiaj, nopes that does not work quotes or no quotes |
| 04:45.25 | m_ | i m merging using xrdb |
| 04:45.36 | m_ | and then restarting xterm |
| 04:45.36 | somiaj | try with just a -load (reload it instead of merging) |
| 04:45.46 | m_ | somiaj, ok |
| 04:45.49 | somiaj | but I don't see why the resorce isn't getting set |
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| 04:46.48 | m_ | somiaj, well i lost the black background color .... which means xrdb -load worked .. but the font did not change :( |
| 04:47.09 | somiaj | "XTerm*faceName: Lucida Console |
| 04:47.24 | m_ | quotes? |
| 04:47.28 | somiaj | arg, that without the " is what I have in my .Xdefaults file (though I just use that name over resources) |
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| 04:47.34 | somiaj | no I don't have any quotes in my file |
| 04:47.52 | m_ | which package provides this font? i have a fresh install |
| 04:48.20 | somiaj | there are lots of font packages. I am not sure which one would have it |
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| 04:55.19 | m_ | somiaj, can't find that font using locate and don't know the package name ... sorry |
| 04:56.02 | twmb | lidar: I still get bad archive mirrors |
| 04:56.16 | twmb | First I did the .iso manually, which messed up |
| 04:56.33 | twmb | then I did it through the unetinstallthing to download the packages |
| 04:57.03 | Mysterytrain | how do I tell apt-get to install those packages I list and only those packages I list? |
| 04:57.22 | m_ | twmb, did u get any message asking u to install non-free firmware? |
| 04:57.46 | twmb | m_: yes, And I installed it to another USB and put it in the laptop |
| 04:58.02 | twmb | and hit accept on the license |
| 04:58.47 | m_ | i see. i only asked 'coz i saw those bad mirror messages on another system i tried to install on .... i never proceeded with that. |
| 04:59.15 | m_ | btw does your internet connection work ... did u try pinging the mirror sites? |
| 04:59.20 | twmb | yes |
| 04:59.37 | twmb | er |
| 04:59.38 | twmb | well |
| 04:59.41 | twmb | after I failed the first time |
| 04:59.50 | twmb | I pinged it with the very limited set of commands i had |
| 04:59.52 | twmb | and could reach it |
| 04:59.55 | twmb | actually |
| 05:00.09 | twmb | I don't knot if I pinged the mirror site itself,.... pretty sure i did but eh |
| 05:00.14 | twmb | maybe I'll use a different distro |
| 05:00.38 | m_ | twmb, don't give up :) fight on |
| 05:00.52 | twmb | alright |
| 05:00.56 | twmb | but I have no moretime tonight |
| 05:00.58 | twmb | maybe tomorrow |
| 05:01.01 | lidar | twmb: debian is the ferrari of linux distros ;) |
| 05:01.40 | twmb | if you watch mad men |
| 05:01.50 | twmb | then you'll get what I mean when I say, you mean porche |
| 05:01.55 | m_ | lidar, my ferrari is suffering from bad font issues :( |
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| 05:02.47 | lidar | m_: how so ? |
| 05:02.57 | m_ | somiaj, do u think i should do the install once again and this time ensure that graphical desktop packages and standard utilities package is selected? |
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| 05:03.43 | m_ | lidar, well i have an absolute basic install ... i m trying to fix the fonts in term using Xresources xrdb and dejavu fonts .. but there is no change at all.. |
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| 05:04.12 | m_ | i m stuck with the default tiny fonts ... my eyes are hurting trying to resolve them even |
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| 05:06.07 | lidar | m_: hmm isnt that controlled by grub options ? |
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| 05:06.57 | m_ | lidar, do u mean virtual consoles? i managed to install X on it so i am talking of xterm |
| 05:07.17 | m_ | i don't see the X font and grub connection |
| 05:07.35 | lidar | m_: oh nevermind |
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| 05:09.15 | m_ | is testing always called wheezy and unstable sid? only the stable version name changes. is it? |
| 05:09.59 | lidar | m_: try this ? http://buruonbrails.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-to-increase-default-xterm-font-size.html |
| 05:10.38 | m_ | lidar, many thanks |
| 05:13.24 | m_ | lidar, no change in font |
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| 05:14.37 | m_ | think i will reinstall once again with the graphical desktop package selected .. will report back in 20 |
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| 05:18.16 | Rotaerk | I forget... what's the tool meant to be used to build this: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/flashcache.git;a=tree |
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| 05:18.28 | Rotaerk | into a set of packages |
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| 05:28.05 | Rotaerk | ahh... dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 05:50.52 | m_ | somiaj, lidar hey i m back ... i reinstalled the system only this time i selected the Graphical Desktop package and Standard utilities package and now setting a font in ~/.Xresources works properly as expected. |
| 05:51.44 | somiaj | m_: unstable is always named sid, testing will change its names. Once testing stabilizes and becomes the newstable, a new testing will form which will be named jessie this time |
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| 05:52.23 | somiaj | also you could have just ran tasksel and installed all that stuff, a reinstall was not needed, the package manager is really good |
| 05:52.33 | m_ | so how can i find out what i was missing before? 'coz this is a heavy install ... gnome and open office and all other stuff which i did not want in the first place ... i wanted to be able to build my system starting from a very minimal install |
| 05:53.17 | m_ | somiaj, oh that is so stupid of me. i thought tasksel could only be run during the install :( sorry |
| 05:53.32 | m_ | somiaj, thanks for the info on the naming convention |
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| 06:10.43 | m_ | how do i get the latest software? and what version of firefox is iceweasel made of? current firefox is version 15 i think. |
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| 06:11.15 | jagginess | m_, very similar, just a change of label because firefox name is owned by mozilla |
| 06:11.41 | jagginess | m_, see the /usr/share/doc/<package name> readmes |
| 06:12.08 | m_ | jagginess, i see so iceweasel version 3ish is not based on firefox 3ish? |
| 06:12.47 | jagginess | dunno, check out any changelog/readmes.. |
| 06:12.57 | m_ | ok. thanks. |
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| 06:13.05 | sauvin | Bear in mind that "latest" often means "wonkiest". |
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| 06:13.19 | jagginess | m_, you can always extract a full .tar.gz tarball from the mozilla foundation and run it all under ~/somesubdir |
| 06:13.49 | m_ | jagginess, very nice thanks. |
| 06:15.04 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:18.03 | m_ | so all the latest software is available in unstable ... how do i make the switch? |
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| 06:20.19 | lidar | i think fire fox releases new versions every 12 hours |
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| 06:24.09 | dizzylizzy | not only that |
| 06:24.21 | dizzylizzy | they also release a major-number release every 12 hours, not just minor releases :-/ |
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| 06:31.49 | ChrisH | ,v iceweasel |
| 06:31.50 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.6esr-2; sid: 10.0.7esr-1; experimental: 15.0-1 |
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| 06:32.23 | ChrisH | did the versions between 3.5 and 10 really existed? |
| 06:33.36 | m_ | aah so the experimental repo has the latest version |
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| 06:33.46 | m_ | even sid is on version 10ish |
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| 06:38.27 | Trewas | firefox 10 has longer support cycle than other versions, so it makes sense that debian stays with it for the next stable release |
| 06:39.19 | Trewas | software with "major" new versions every six weeks is not very compatible with debian's release model |
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| 06:46.11 | m_ | that makes sense |
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| 06:50.34 | SliTaz | <3 Lenny |
| 06:50.44 | SliTaz | How are my Debian doing |
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| 07:08.50 | vishy | is there anyone here who can answer a quesion about build dependencies for .deb packages? |
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| 07:09.31 | SliTaz | vishy, I could try |
| 07:09.53 | SliTaz | vishy, perhaps I wouldnt be able to it has been a while with I and Debian |
| 07:10.01 | vishy | SliTaz: I am building a package with pbuilder |
| 07:10.13 | vishy | and i'm getting an odd dependency every time |
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| 07:11.15 | vishy | SliTaz: specifically something like this: python-sqlalchemy (>= 0.6~), python-sqlalchemy (<< 0.7) |
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| 07:11.45 | vishy | SliTaz: although I have specified: pyt |
| 07:11.46 | vishy | hon-sqlalchemy-ext | python-sqlalchemy (<< 0.6.3-2) |
| 07:11.49 | vishy | which also shows up |
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| 07:13.31 | vishy | SliTaz: ok i think i know where it is coming from |
| 07:13.34 | vishy | python depends |
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| 07:17.42 | vishy | SliTaz: but i can't find anywhere that referrs to max version |
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| 08:40.05 | cihhan | Hi all! I am using Debian6 and trying to install and use Xen. I have followed this link for the installation & configuration: http://www.howtoforge.com/paravirtualization-with-xen-4.0-on-debian-squeeze-amd64 However, I cant ping from VMs. Any suggestions? |
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| 08:47.28 | starZ | hi there, is there a way to make gwibber work on wheezy without installing network-manager ?? |
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| 08:48.40 | ChrisH | starZ: apt-cache show gwibber |
| 08:48.51 | ChrisH | starZ: apt-cache show gwibber does not show any network manager as dependecy |
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| 08:51.37 | starZ | ChrisH: there is not, but it's not running without, craches when I set my network with wicd.. any idea?? |
| 08:51.50 | ChrisH | starZ: http://paste.debian.net/187100/ no network-manager installed args... its squeeze on my side |
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| 08:54.44 | starZ | ChrisH: euh.. what is this bro?? :)) |
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| 08:56.10 | grzeslaw | hello gyus, every day I see in my logcheck raports entries like that: suhosin: ALERT - configured GET variable value length limit exceeded - dropped variable 'urlref' (attacker '77.255.74.155', file '/usr/share/piwik/piwik.php' - when message like this is generated? when owner of this IP doing what?.. |
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| 08:57.02 | ChrisH | starZ: My paste was worthless as it is not an instalaltion but a usage issue at your side. Do you get a core or usefull messgaes on the "crash". Define "crash" in detail. |
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| 08:58.11 | ChrisH | grzeslaw: google first hit: http://dev.piwik.org/trac/ticket/2605 |
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| 09:00.09 | grzeslaw | ChrisH: thx and sorry [; |
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| 09:01.34 | starZ | ChrisH: here is the debug output http://paste.debian.net/187102/ |
| 09:03.38 | starZ | ChrisH: not sure if I'm the only one with this.. is there anty work around ?? |
| 09:04.00 | starZ | ChrisH: sorry 'any'.. |
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| 09:07.18 | ChrisH | starZ: from https://bugs.launchpad.net/gwibber/+bug/597253 my first idea would be apt-get install python-libproxy if that fixes it, check and open a debian bug to correct the dependencies |
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| 09:08.31 | xgl | hi all |
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| 09:09.00 | starZ | ChrisH: yep, will try this right now.. thx a lot!! |
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| 09:12.34 | xgl | hi drigollier |
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| 10:14.59 | afsal | what happen upgrade from sqeeze backports? it make problems? |
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| 10:23.00 | afsal | what happen upgrades from squeeze backports in squeeze? it make any problems? |
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| 10:31.26 | afsal | what happen upgrades from squeeze backports in squeeze? it make any problems? |
| 10:32.28 | boudiccas | afsal: we heard you the first time, stop repeating yourself |
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| 10:33.47 | afsal | boudiccas: sorry... |
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| 10:50.21 | mithrop | hi all :) |
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| 10:51.31 | mithrop | Does somebody is waiting the migration of the new version of fglrx-driver from sid to wheezy ? |
| 10:52.06 | ectospasm | is that a question? |
| 10:52.10 | robin_sz | so I have an (old) Debian Lenny box, with a PHP 5.3.x dotdeb on it .. and now I want to install php-gd .. and its whining about dependencies ... is there an easy way to tell it that the PHP 5.3.x dotdeb meets that and to just get on with it? |
| 10:52.16 | ectospasm | I'm sure somebody is waiting on that. |
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| 10:52.53 | boudiccas | robin_sz: yuk, dotdeb! not supported here |
| 10:53.13 | robin_sz | ok, let me rephrase it then |
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| 10:54.46 | dios_mio | hay guyz... is it normal for mount-ntfs to crash every now and then? |
| 10:55.15 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, well, there is a way to do it, but maybe you should properly research first if that's _really_ what you want to do. why not use the php provided with the distro? or even upgrade to squeeze? |
| 10:55.25 | robin_sz | so I have an (old) Debian Lenny box, with a manually installed later version of a standard Debian package on it .. and now I want to install a package that depends on the debain version of this un-named package .. and its whining about dependencies ... is there an easy way to tell it that the manually installed version of the package package meets that and to just get on with it? |
| 10:55.28 | dios_mio | and why does it appear as "fuseblk" in mount list? it should be ntfs? |
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| 10:55.55 | blubberdiblub | dios_mio, ntfs-3g is fuse based |
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| 10:56.26 | dios_mio | blubberdiblub: ok thanks, and also is it normal for it to crash at times? i had to reboot |
| 10:56.45 | blubberdiblub | dios_mio, and it's probably not normal for it to crash. maybe you should check the integrity of your ntfs partition |
| 10:56.46 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, normally I would |
| 10:57.03 | dios_mio | blubberdiblub: you mean an fsck? how do i do that please? |
| 10:57.35 | blubberdiblub | dios_mio, there's no proper fsck for ntfs under linux. or at least none that i know of. you should check the disk under windows |
| 10:57.52 | dios_mio | blubberdiblub: right.. thanks, will do that |
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| 11:01.54 | bolt | I have two files, both containing simply the word "Ă…lgĂĄrd". One is identified as "ISO-8859 text", the other "UTF-8 text". I run urxvt terminal. If I cat both files, they display correctly. If I start "screen" in the same terminal window, then cat both files, cat fails to display the special characters in the ISO-8859 file. How come? Running "vim" on the file within screen shows them correctly... I am confused. |
| 11:02.26 | robin_sz | . |
| 11:02.27 | robin_sz | + |
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| 11:02.53 | mithrop | ectospasm, maybe there is a way to get the version from stable repo ? (I am not so good with repo stuff and kind of new in Debian "administration") |
| 11:02.58 | robin_sz | blames his kitten ^^ |
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| 11:04.09 | ChrisH | bolt: quick guess... screen is not UTF8 aware |
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| 11:05.17 | ectospasm | bolt: try passing -U to screen and see if you have a different issue. |
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| 11:06.22 | ChrisH | ectospasm: cool... I accepcted not to see UFT8 inside screen... |
| 11:06.35 | bolt | ectospasm: same issue |
| 11:06.45 | bolt | ChrisH: the utf-8 is what's displaying correctly |
| 11:06.53 | sneex | you should just set a LANG/LC_ALL different then C. After setting LANG/LC_ALL to en_US.UTF8 or whatever language you are |
| 11:07.23 | bolt | my LANG is en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 11:07.35 | bolt | the problem is ISO-8859 not displaying correctly inside screen |
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| 11:08.00 | sneex | defutf8 on? |
| 11:08.13 | bolt | ? |
| 11:08.33 | sneex | make screen use utf8? |
| 11:09.08 | blubberdiblub | bolt, cat doesn't detect the locale of the file. that's the actual issue i guess. cat has no magical detection. try recode or iconv to directly stream non-utf8-files to stdout |
| 11:09.15 | sneex | when you set up debian did you choose utf8 as default or iso8859? |
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| 11:10.25 | bolt | sneex: the whole system runs on utf-8 |
| 11:10.31 | bolt | sneex: screen also has utf-8 enabled |
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| 11:10.42 | ciao | ciao |
| 11:10.43 | bolt | sneex: this one file is rsync'ed from another system that doesn't run utf-8 |
| 11:10.50 | ciao | list |
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| 11:11.03 | bolt | i am just curious as to why ISO-8859 is automatically translated, or whatever, outside of screen, but not within it |
| 11:11.29 | bolt | seems to me like screen breaks some automatic translation that's otherwise applied to the output from cat |
| 11:11.43 | blubberdiblub | bolt, please use recode or iconv. cat does just put the bytes to stdout as they come. there is no magical translation outside of screen. it's just that the terminal is more tolerant to non-utf8-chars while in utf8 mode |
| 11:12.06 | blubberdiblub | more tolerant than screen's terminal emulation, that is |
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| 11:12.57 | bolt | I'll have to make a whole setup to keep a recoded copy of the file, then :/ |
| 11:13.13 | bolt | ..or just not look at it in screen, i guess |
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| 11:13.56 | blubberdiblub | bolt, or try less in order to look at text files. less might be more intelligent detecting the file's encoding and recoding appropriately. if it doesn't, you can tell less the file encoding explicitly |
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| 11:14.16 | bolt | blubberdiblub: thanks. i'll give that a shot |
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| 11:16.47 | blubberdiblub | bolt, and you can use recode and iconv in filter mode. i.e. you don't have to store the recoded files, you can just use them similar to cat |
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| 11:18.02 | blubberdiblub | bolt, you can even create a bash alias for that so that you don't have to type that much |
| 11:18.41 | bolt | blubberdiblub: neat! |
| 11:19.04 | frikinz | vim can change encoding of the file too :set encoding=utf-8 |
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| 11:24.56 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, you would recommend a dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze and remove the dot-deb? |
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| 11:26.48 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, if you are ready for a dist-upgrade, that would probably be the best solution, especially regarding support. please read the release notes first |
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| 11:27.42 | blubberdiblub | !tell robin_sz about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:27.45 | robin_sz | im not sure what will break, but hopefully not much |
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| 11:28.56 | robin_sz | ive never done it on a running amazone EC2 instance before, was never really sure what would happen ... |
| 11:29.33 | robin_sz | i guess it will magically pick up the right firmware and drivers for the virtual stuff |
| 11:29.51 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, virtual stuff? |
| 11:30.36 | robin_sz | its an Amazon EC2 instance |
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| 11:30.50 | blubberdiblub | well, i'm not familiar with that, sorry |
| 11:31.00 | robin_sz | so doesnt have real disks etc |
| 11:31.34 | robin_sz | which is why I used a dotdeb package to get PHP 5,3, as I was unsure of the dist-upgrade process |
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| 11:31.38 | blubberdiblub | well, the question is rather what kind of virtualisation it is in respect to the kernel |
| 11:31.45 | robin_sz | no clue |
| 11:32.17 | robin_sz | xen, appareenlt |
| 11:32.18 | robin_sz | y |
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| 11:32.51 | blubberdiblub | alright, so you should make sure that the new kernel has appropriate xen support. i've no experience in that field |
| 11:33.09 | robin_sz | me neither |
| 11:33.14 | blubberdiblub | in any case having a backup handy might safe you from disasters |
| 11:33.49 | blubberdiblub | *save |
| 11:34.01 | robin_sz | I might just spring a new Squeeze and migrate |
| 11:34.36 | ectospasm | seems a bit late to be transitioning to squeeze... it's soon to be oldstable. |
| 11:34.53 | blubberdiblub | late, but not too late |
| 11:34.55 | robin_sz | spring a new wheezy? |
| 11:35.20 | blubberdiblub | squeeze for production servers, if you want to play it safe |
| 11:35.54 | robin_sz | would wheezy be worse than an old lenny that is out of security updates? |
| 11:36.16 | ectospasm | not in my opinion |
| 11:36.22 | ectospasm | ...but that counts for nothing |
| 11:36.32 | robin_sz | so they say ;) |
| 11:36.43 | blubberdiblub | no, but why not go for squeeze? what's explicitly speaking against squeeze, robin_sz? |
| 11:36.44 | ectospasm | robin_sz: what is the primary purpose of this squeeze or wheezy machine? |
| 11:37.31 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, bc in 6 months I'll be back with wondering how to upgrade to wheezy and not knowing if dist-upgrade will work on an EC2 instance |
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| 11:37.46 | robin_sz | ectospasm, runs half a dozen sites |
| 11:37.57 | robin_sz | mainly php |
| 11:39.08 | blubberdiblub | well, i wouldn't be comfortable suggesting a wheezy install for production servers, but that's just my opinion ;) |
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| 11:39.55 | guest1 | just have a try |
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| 11:41.08 | guest1 | fcitx isn't in stable...what a pity |
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| 11:41.47 | guest1 | fu*k english grammar |
| 11:42.20 | Cybertinus | Hello. I've got a performance problem with the IPv6 connectivity on my Debian 6 based virtual server. It doesn't get over 30 kB/sec :S. The IPv4 connection has normal performance. Anybody any idea what could cause this? |
| 11:42.47 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, in any case, a linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-something kernel would probably be correct and the one to look out for for a squeeze install under a xen hypervisor |
| 11:43.06 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, I dont understand |
| 11:43.19 | robin_sz | blubberdiblub, at what part of dist-upgrade do I do that? |
| 11:43.32 | guest1 | wow, there are human here!!!! |
| 11:43.35 | frikinz | wouldn't that be automatically selected by dist-upgrade? |
| 11:43.44 | frikinz | guest1: there's a backport it seems |
| 11:43.44 | robin_sz | would it? |
| 11:43.50 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, if the dpkg factoid is correct, you make sure before the dist-upgrade |
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| 11:44.19 | guest1 | exit |
| 11:44.34 | guest1 | //exit |
| 11:44.45 | guest1 | esc |
| 11:45.56 | blubberdiblub | robin_sz, in any case, reading the release notes probably wouldn't hurt ;) |
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| 11:46.21 | robin_sz | true |
| 11:46.37 | robin_sz | its begining to sound like a lot of work justto get php-gd to install |
| 11:47.44 | blubberdiblub | well, if you need a hackish solution, there is one ... but it's a production server ... i'm not really comfortable handing out unsupported hints |
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| 11:50.54 | robin_sz | if it was an EBS backed instance, I'd just take a live snapshot and revert it it failed, but its not |
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| 11:51.44 | blubberdiblub | make a backup if you can. should help provide a safety net, no matter what route you're going to take |
| 11:52.16 | robin_sz | I have mysql and backups of /var/www ... thats all the live data |
| 11:52.27 | robin_sz | snapshots of the entire machine are a bit harder |
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| 11:58.41 | alexft | hey guys |
| 11:58.57 | alexft | I made iptable rules file in notepad++ |
| 11:59.05 | alexft | and it gives mistake when I want to add it |
| 11:59.21 | alexft | line 1 failed |
| 11:59.27 | robin_sz | you probably have an error |
| 11:59.30 | alexft | yes |
| 11:59.52 | alexft | its to do with carriage return I think, how do I fix it? |
| 12:00.03 | robin_sz | dont use notepad? |
| 12:00.03 | Cybertinus | alexft: dos2unix |
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| 12:00.07 | blubberdiblub | well, using notepad++ does not automatically make it use unix line endings |
| 12:00.13 | robin_sz | true |
| 12:00.19 | Cybertinus | but robin_sz also has a valid point alexft :) |
| 12:00.51 | alexft | I love notepad++ |
| 12:00.58 | alexft | nano and vi is major bs |
| 12:01.04 | alexft | typing like in dos |
| 12:01.14 | blubberdiblub | you can use it, just make sure you switch to unix line endings before saving the file |
| 12:01.18 | alexft | I did |
| 12:01.28 | boairc | i have debian on a low end OpenVZ VPS. I need a low RAM footprint email server - smtp, imap, pop3 (optional but nice to have it). must support encryption (SSL). i'm looking for a secure and low memory solution. ideally not hard to configure |
| 12:01.33 | Azrael_- | alexft: they have advantages if you work remote without a mouse |
| 12:01.40 | alexft | yep |
| 12:01.50 | alexft | I got mouse :) |
| 12:02.00 | Cybertinus | alexft: when you open the file in vi, do you see ^M at the end of each line? If so, the problem are the incorrect lineendings, and with the tool dos2unix you can convert it back |
| 12:02.18 | robin_sz | a mouse is not much help in a terminal shell |
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| 12:02.45 | blubberdiblub | you can use "tr", too, to convert the line endings back (if you don't want to install dos2unix) |
| 12:03.00 | alexft | one moment I try it |
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| 12:03.41 | frikinz | edit them in windows, transfer them using ftp ascii mode (which converts end of line) |
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| 12:04.05 | robin_sz | or better still .. don't edit them in windows |
| 12:04.18 | Azrael_- | or edit them in windows with a good editor |
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| 12:04.21 | frikinz | or better then, don't use windows at all |
| 12:04.30 | robin_sz | now we're getting somwhere |
| 12:05.02 | alexft | dos to unix said not a regular file |
| 12:05.04 | frikinz | good editor: gvim in cygwin ? |
| 12:05.08 | alexft | windows is nice nice |
| 12:05.19 | alexft | else they would not sell so many copies |
| 12:05.31 | robin_sz | please do not feed the troll |
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| 12:05.45 | alexft | robin many people like windows |
| 12:05.45 | alexft | so what |
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| 12:06.24 | Cybertinus | alexft: true. But an Linux vs. Windows discussion has no point. A lot of people get frustrated, and it leads to nowhere :) |
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| 12:07.06 | alexft | Cybertinus dos2unix thingy said its skipping file |
| 12:07.11 | funnyboy243 | What color is your shit, usually? |
| 12:07.23 | alexft | brown |
| 12:07.32 | funnyboy243 | Can you come over to my house? |
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| 12:07.52 | alexft | dos2unix skipping iptables.test.rules not a regular file |
| 12:07.55 | Cybertinus | alexft: hmm. Weird :/. Then I would say: open your iptables file with a hexeditor and check what is on each line |
| 12:07.57 | funnyboy243 | When do you think Mindy's Ass will take over the world? |
| 12:08.01 | funnyboy243 | What is your real name? Weird Good or Weird Bad? Good reasoning. And on each line is open my iptables file with a hexeditor and check what. |
| 12:08.01 | alexft | funnyboy243 whats the address :D |
| 12:08.18 | funnyboy243 | Uh. Your 500 went in 2 bets? |
| 12:08.47 | robin_sz | wheres a mod when you need one |
| 12:08.53 | funnyboy243 | Where the heart is. Check back later and see if I learn the answer to that one. |
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| 12:09.02 | blubberdiblub | i think you can call for them, robin_sz |
| 12:09.06 | funnyboy243 | Me? No I don't think I can do it. |
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| 12:09.46 | raz | is there a way to see the debian patchlevel of the running kernel? |
| 12:09.51 | funnyboy243 | There are many ways but not all are the same. |
| 12:10.00 | raz | 2.6.32-5 is pretty useless when there have been 45 releases :/ |
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| 12:10.09 | funnyboy243 | As Bertrand Russel said, it must have taken ages for people to realize that a brace of pheasants and a couple of days are both instances of the number "two.". |
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| 12:11.24 | alexft | Cybertinus http://i49.tinypic.com/2vl1hnd.jpg |
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| 12:11.34 | funnyboy243 | What's your favorite movie? |
| 12:11.55 | alexft | mod lol robin u whine at slighest mention of opinion different to yours? :D |
| 12:12.00 | funnyboy243 | So, what did you do today? We should talk more about mod lol robin me whine at slighest mention of opinion different to mine! |
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| 12:12.48 | blubberdiblub | funnyboy243, this is a support channel. maybe you should take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:12.56 | funnyboy243 | Who is funnyboy243 this? Perhaps. And then what would I do? |
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| 12:13.03 | robin_sz | its bot |
| 12:13.12 | funnyboy243 | Should I know it is? |
| 12:13.14 | boudiccas | i think its a bot |
| 12:13.22 | blubberdiblub | !ops funnyboy243 |
| 12:13.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: blubberdiblub complains about: funnyboy243 |
| 12:13.29 | funnyboy243 | 04Competition 07Leaders 1st place 10Populated 071082M 2nd place 10F4PP3R 07853M 3rd place 10ZenMind 07702M 4th place 10Varlex 07351M 5th place 10Dat 07331M is a bot. I suppose that makes sense. |
| 12:13.32 | pikaro | hi! i'm trying to decide what unstable-based distro to use. I know of aptosid, siduction and semplice. can anyone give me a recommendation? i'll also accept other suggestions. |
| 12:13.37 | funnyboy243 | What color are your eyes? |
| 12:13.41 | funnyboy243 | How do you usually introduce yourself? |
| 12:13.45 | funnyboy243 | Hello there. What is the difficulty? How do you know? That is something I haven't heard of. Suppose they do. Do you think your plan will succeed? |
| 12:14.04 | mentor | funnyboy243: Please be quiet |
| 12:14.11 | bolt | it's a bot |
| 12:14.19 | mentor | I suspect so, yes |
| 12:14.24 | pikaro | or a crazy human |
| 12:14.27 | funnyboy243 | How do you usually introduce yourself? |
| 12:14.27 | alexft | and someone activate him |
| 12:14.33 | alexft | activated |
| 12:14.35 | funnyboy243 | mifadir0 is a bot. I suppose that makes sense. |
| 12:14.39 | bolt | funnyboy243: by kicking people in the face |
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| 12:14.43 | funnyboy243 | I think so too. |
| 12:14.50 | mentor | Dont' feed it |
| 12:14.51 | funnyboy243 | Try to tell me that another way. |
| 12:14.55 | *** mode/#debian [-o+b mentor *!*@92.39.206.201] by mentor |
| 12:14.59 | funnyboy243 | Who? |
| 12:15.08 | funnyboy243 | What color is your shit, usually? |
| 12:15.16 | funnyboy243 | How do you usually introduce yourself? |
| 12:15.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 12:15.22 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@216.88.4.29] by mentor |
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| 12:15.53 | mentor | attempts not to kick himself |
| 12:15.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 12:16.00 | bolt | heh |
| 12:16.02 | alexft | mentor any ideas how I can quickly convert iptables.test.rules from notepad++ to unix |
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| 12:16.17 | alexft | it seems simple yet someting is missing |
| 12:16.24 | mentor | You mean, exchange the newlines? |
| 12:16.32 | robin_sz | I suspect you did not use the dos2unix tool as intended |
| 12:16.52 | alexft | I typed dos2unix filename |
| 12:16.58 | mentor | alexft: Else, I'm going to need to know what you mean by "convert" |
| 12:17.15 | alexft | dos2unix /dir/filename |
| 12:17.56 | robin_sz | i think you mistyped |
| 12:17.58 | Cybertinus | alexft: can you put the iptables.test.rules files online somewhere? |
| 12:18.14 | Cybertinus | alexft: and how do you load the iptables.test.rules file into iptables? |
| 12:18.15 | alexft | mentor I made blank file with nano, opened it with notepad ++ copy pasted handy firewall rules and saved it in eol unix format |
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| 12:18.24 | robin_sz | you see we jeez |
| 12:18.26 | chrisb_ | Hi, anyone got mp3burn to work with the -p option, i.e a .m3u file? |
| 12:18.29 | robin_sz | you did what? |
| 12:18.42 | pikaro | why didn't yo upaste directly into nano? |
| 12:18.46 | mentor | alexft: So how do you know it needs converting? |
| 12:18.56 | alexft | #/sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 12:18.59 | robin_sz | thats not likely to work |
| 12:19.09 | alexft | mentor cause its does not load |
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| 12:19.33 | mentor | alexft: Why does that immediately result in you assuming that it needs converting |
| 12:19.38 | mentor | alexft: What is the error message? |
| 12:19.44 | robin_sz | scp <local file> remote.host.com:/etc/somewhere/blah.rules |
| 12:20.24 | robin_sz | or however you do scp in windows |
| 12:20.32 | mentor | putty scp |
| 12:20.36 | mentor | probably |
| 12:20.40 | robin_sz | well that then |
| 12:20.44 | blubberdiblub | pscp then. or the cygwin scp |
| 12:20.50 | alexft | iptables-restore line 1 failed |
| 12:21.08 | mentor | What's on line one? |
| 12:21.30 | boudiccas | if you do 'iptables -L' what do you see? |
| 12:21.33 | robin_sz | I think its ALL on line one |
| 12:21.42 | alexft | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
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| 12:21.59 | alexft | boudicass default blank stuff |
| 12:22.04 | alexft | with 0 rules |
| 12:22.13 | robin_sz | his copy/paste into nano gave him one big line I think |
| 12:22.28 | robin_sz | alexft, are you sure thats on line one? |
| 12:22.40 | mentor | alexft: Look at the output of iptables-save |
| 12:22.42 | boudiccas | i think that alexft needs to lear to read |
| 12:22.45 | robin_sz | i mean line one on the remote copy of the file, not in your windows box |
| 12:22.50 | mentor | That is the correct format for iptable-restore |
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| 12:22.55 | boudiccas | learn |
| 12:23.02 | alexft | I am going to upload file on tinyupload in a moment |
| 12:23.02 | robin_sz | I think hes looking at his local copy |
| 12:23.09 | mentor | boudiccas: That's not particularly helpful |
| 12:23.09 | alexft | its all in separate lines :D |
| 12:23.16 | robin_sz | which file? |
| 12:23.20 | robin_sz | your local copy |
| 12:23.21 | mentor | alexft: The file is in the wrong format |
| 12:23.28 | robin_sz | or the one off the remote machine? |
| 12:23.40 | mentor | alexft: It sounds like you have the output of iptables not iptables-save |
| 12:23.47 | robin_sz | ah yes |
| 12:23.52 | robin_sz | well spotted mentor |
| 12:24.15 | mentor | wanders off |
| 12:24.30 | mentor | alexft: You jumped to conclusions there, you see. |
| 12:25.55 | chrisb_ | Hi, anyone got "mp3burn -p x.m3u" to work? |
| 12:26.33 | chrisb_ | I'm trying to burn gapless .flac(s) |
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| 12:27.41 | alexft | mentor hmm |
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| 12:29.45 | alexft | what do I check output of iptables save? |
| 12:30.01 | alexft | to me it seemed simple, copy paste save in right format and use |
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| 12:30.30 | robin_sz | iptables-save > somefilename.rule |
| 12:30.46 | robin_sz | then vi somefielname.rules and edit it like you want it |
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| 12:31.18 | alexft | vi! |
| 12:31.23 | alexft | vi is very slow |
| 12:31.35 | robin_sz | where as your methiod is very quick? |
| 12:31.36 | alexft | can I somehow by pass vi, nano |
| 12:32.01 | robin_sz | do you have a gui on the remote machine? |
| 12:32.09 | alexft | no |
| 12:32.14 | alexft | connecting via putty |
| 12:32.28 | robin_sz | then learn to use a terminal based editor |
| 12:32.45 | alexft | http://www.2shared.com/file/05C9AJn2/iptablesup.html |
| 12:32.49 | alexft | i know how to use it |
| 12:32.58 | alexft | and now I want to speed up |
| 12:33.27 | robin_sz | well, youve been whining for nearly an hour now, you could have performed that simple edit in under 10 seconds if you knew how to use it |
| 12:33.38 | abrotman | who is slow now? :) |
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| 12:34.34 | alexft | robin it is an investment in my future productivity |
| 12:34.43 | alexft | and 0 use of nano and vi |
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| 12:34.44 | robin_sz | luaghs |
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| 12:37.54 | alexft | even tr does not work! |
| 12:37.57 | blubberdiblub | the link you posted has just output from iptables -L. you can use it to recreate iptables rules by hand, but i don't think there is a direct way to use that as input, unless you write an appropriate filter on your own |
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| 12:38.21 | alexft | well I just use ec2 firewall config then |
| 12:38.25 | alexft | simple and saves time |
| 12:38.26 | alexft | :D |
| 12:38.42 | alexft | I was curious how to do it old school |
| 12:38.46 | alexft | yet its taking ages |
| 12:38.54 | abrotman | use vi, create rules by hand |
| 12:39.04 | abrotman | and it's not 'old school' |
| 12:39.18 | alexft | vi lol even when I had dos I used better editor |
| 12:39.31 | alexft | vi at least can be programmed to accept copy paste and make it work |
| 12:39.37 | blubberdiblub | as long as he's not ready to learn ways he's prejudiced about, there's no use telling him solutions |
| 12:39.42 | abrotman | really? which editor did you use with DOS ? |
| 12:39.59 | alexft | ok in dos there was none |
| 12:40.04 | alexft | in windows :) |
| 12:40.07 | abrotman | there was an editor |
| 12:40.09 | abrotman | in DOS |
| 12:40.14 | alexft | well basic one I think |
| 12:40.18 | abrotman | (still is technically) |
| 12:40.28 | alexft | learn how to use vi |
| 12:40.33 | abrotman | you should |
| 12:40.35 | alexft | whats is to learn there |
| 12:40.40 | alexft | slowest way imo |
| 12:40.46 | alexft | thanks anyway |
| 12:40.52 | abrotman | if you say so .. but you're wrong .. have a good day |
| 12:41.03 | alexft | lol its my opinion |
| 12:41.13 | alexft | person is neither wrong or right |
| 12:41.14 | alexft | :) |
| 12:41.36 | robin_sz | well, if I have to choose between you and abrotman as being right ... |
| 12:41.42 | robin_sz | you are going to lose everytime |
| 12:41.48 | abrotman | if i have to choose between learning and not learning ... |
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| 12:42.18 | robin_sz | im still not sure if he is genuine, or a windows troll |
| 12:42.44 | abrotman | is his problem solved? |
| 12:43.09 | robin_sz | hes been given a workable solution |
| 12:43.36 | robin_sz | but he prefers to argue why vi is slow |
| 12:43.43 | alexft | its solved |
| 12:43.45 | alexft | and vi is slow |
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| 12:43.55 | abrotman | alexft: do you have any other Debian questoins ? |
| 12:44.01 | alexft | yes |
| 12:44.11 | abrotman | not related to vi ... |
| 12:44.15 | alexft | is it advisable to disable root login? |
| 12:44.26 | abrotman | and do what instead? |
| 12:44.29 | merovigiam | hi! what version of gnome in debian6 !? |
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| 12:44.36 | alexft | use simple user with sudo |
| 12:44.37 | abrotman | merovigiam: 2.x |
| 12:44.47 | alexft | I read some people say its better and I dont know why |
| 12:44.48 | merovigiam | humm very good ! thanks ! |
| 12:44.51 | abrotman | alexft: that's your decision, not one we can decide for you, each method has its merits |
| 12:45.00 | robin_sz | nods |
| 12:45.15 | alexft | currently I use root with .ppk via putty |
| 12:45.37 | robin_sz | and no login with password/username |
| 12:45.42 | alexft | and I made group of sudo users. so I then switch to such user |
| 12:46.09 | robin_sz | either: |
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| 12:46.30 | alexft | I see use just 1 |
| 12:46.43 | robin_sz | logins restricted to keypair and login as root |
| 12:46.50 | robin_sz | or disable all root logins |
| 12:46.57 | robin_sz | login as normal user and sudo |
| 12:47.00 | alexft | how do I restrict logins to keypair? |
| 12:47.13 | alexft | it saves typing sudo :) |
| 12:47.15 | robin_sz | your ssh config |
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| 12:47.25 | alexft | ty |
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| 12:47.46 | robin_sz | /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 12:48.32 | robin_sz | try man ssh_config before editing |
| 12:49.01 | raz | anyone know if there's a solution to the dell/drac/hpet issue yet? |
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| 12:50.34 | alexft | can I use ListenAddress to set ssh to accept connection for fixed IP? |
| 12:50.36 | abrotman | robin_sz: how will he edit it .... |
| 12:50.45 | alexft | lol I used nano I admit |
| 12:50.49 | abrotman | alexft: no, that's for the server interfaces |
| 12:50.57 | alexft | for small edits its ok |
| 12:51.00 | abrotman | alexft: I believe there's an AllowedIPs or something |
| 12:51.06 | abrotman | raz: issue? |
| 12:51.12 | raz | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670398 |
| 12:51.21 | abrotman | is there a fix at the bottom ? |
| 12:51.32 | raz | abrotman: ;) |
| 12:51.55 | alexft | PasswordAuthentication no ? |
| 12:52.03 | alexft | is that the one? :) |
| 12:52.16 | robin_sz | as I said, read the manpage |
| 12:52.26 | alexft | hmmmmm |
| 12:52.30 | alexft | I love shortcuts :D |
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| 12:52.33 | abrotman | raz: seems to be a patch in the bug |
| 12:53.25 | abrotman | raz: see the message second from the bottom |
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| 12:53.38 | raz | abrotman: yes, i'm looking into "clean ways" to build/deploy a patched kernel. this is gonna hurt. |
| 12:54.07 | raz | we've been hunting down this issue for months, affects ~30 of our hosts. quite the party pooper. |
| 12:54.49 | raz | imho one of those patches should go into stable asap. being broken on one of the widest deployed server platforms is no small feat. |
| 12:55.15 | alexft | ok I read and done it :D |
| 12:55.25 | abrotman | that's a pretty ugly bug ... |
| 12:55.31 | wjtaylor | Having this issue in latest 64 bit squeeze: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578174 Is this a regression? |
| 12:55.53 | wjtaylor | The latest package is 2.30.0 |
| 12:56.56 | raz | abrotman: it's especially ugly because it's kinda nasty to monitor for. the symptoms are elevated load, ssh connections locking up and hpet4 interrupt thrashing; https://img.skitch.com/20120901-r9xbs8hdsmedd7yiem71suppn6.jpg |
| 12:57.00 | abrotman | wjtaylor: latest package where? |
| 12:57.17 | raz | guess i'll have to set an alert on that hpet4 anyhow |
| 12:57.19 | wjtaylor | abrotman: synaptik |
| 12:57.23 | abrotman | raz: so if the patch is there, you can apply it and build it as a package, isntall it on the boxes |
| 12:57.50 | raz | abrotman: i haven't built a patched kernel-deb in ages. the only thing i remember about the process is that it was rather annoying :/ |
| 12:58.16 | abrotman | raz: grab the source, apply patch, build! |
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| 12:58.29 | abrotman | wjtaylor: what? that link is about sound |
| 12:58.36 | raz | abrotman: some sort of controlled deploy (deb) is needed ;) |
| 12:59.11 | abrotman | raz: you can setup your own repository? |
| 12:59.17 | wjtaylor | abrotman: Yes, I have a stock deb 64bit install and I cannot capture audio from mic or line-in |
| 12:59.28 | raz | abrotman: yes, but for a start i'm just looking to build the deb and stash that into puppet |
| 12:59.31 | abrotman | raz: the other tricky part will be to see if that patch is applied for the next debian packaged kernel |
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| 12:59.38 | abrotman | raz: oh, that's easy |
| 12:59.42 | abrotman | !tell raz about kp mantra |
| 13:01.28 | raz | thx |
| 13:02.07 | abrotman | wjtaylor: and yotu're sure it's for that reason ? |
| 13:02.40 | abrotman | awesome .. bye chanserv .. |
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| 13:02.58 | mostofless | hi |
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| 13:03.47 | abrotman | wjtaylor: is your linux-sound-base package installed? |
| 13:03.51 | wjtaylor | abrotman: no, that's why I'm asking if it's a regression. Everytime I click on volume control in gnome all my recording inputs are muted. If I unmute and close, they are muted when I reopen the volume control. |
| 13:03.51 | raz | hmm |
| 13:04.02 | abrotman | raz: seem easy enough ? |
| 13:04.13 | mostofless | Hey, I was wondering if I can create to VG on 1 PV (lvm2) |
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| 13:04.46 | raz | abrotman: pondering a different idea right now. there's these handy backports for 3.x kernels. wonder how to check whether a particular commit is in a given kernel release. |
| 13:04.50 | wjtaylor | abrotman: yes. Also note, playback is fine. (regular audio works fine.) |
| 13:05.02 | mostofless | vgcreate data /dev/sda5 Physical volume '/dev/sda5' is already in volume group 'system' |
| 13:05.24 | abrotman | raz: grab the source and look |
| 13:05.36 | blubberdiblub | mostofless, a physical volume can not be in 2 volume groups at the same time |
| 13:05.37 | mostofless | That's the message I have, n I don't get why I can't create 2 lv on one pv ... |
| 13:05.58 | raz | abrotman: is there really no smarter way? /me heads to #git :P |
| 13:06.11 | mostofless | blubberdiblub: OK, cheers |
| 13:06.13 | blubberdiblub | mostofless, you can create as many logical volumes as fit in one volume group. i guess you're confusing terms |
| 13:06.56 | abrotman | raz: you can see at what point it was comitted upstream |
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| 13:07.19 | blubberdiblub | mostofless, for a simple setup, you usually create only one volume group and make as many logical volumes inside that one vg as you need partitions |
| 13:07.28 | raz | abrotman: yup 2010. so at least 3 more years before it appears in stable debian :P |
| 13:07.50 | raz | abrotman: i.e. this one http://git.opencores.org/?a=commit&p=linux&h=e22bee782b3b00bd4534ae9b1c5fb2e8e6573c5c |
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| 13:07.55 | mostofless | blubberdiblub: actually, I'd like to have one VG for my system (system with many lv for /usr, /var, /home ... and an other VG called data with different LV /data/movies, /data/music, /data/backups ... ) |
| 13:08.04 | mostofless | With only one harddrive (PV) |
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| 13:08.31 | mostofless | blubberdiblub: but that is not possible, right ? |
| 13:08.35 | blubberdiblub | mostofless, you can do that, but you need to partition the hard drive first and assign different partitions as physical volumes separately to each volume group |
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| 13:09.05 | abrotman | raz: not true |
| 13:09.10 | abrotman | raz: see the last comment on that bug page |
| 13:09.15 | mostofless | blubberdiblub: well, that means I need to play with fdisk n I don't like this tool ^^ |
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| 13:09.28 | lelu | hey all |
| 13:09.38 | blubberdiblub | mostofless, for your case i'd really suggest to go with only one volume group. will make it much easier |
| 13:10.10 | raz | abrotman: yes, there's two solutions. it was fixed in upstream (by e22bee782b3b00bd4534ae9b1c5fb2e8e6573c5c in 2010), but that's too big a change to go into stable-debian. and then there's that small patch that's hopefully going in soon. |
| 13:10.22 | raz | at least that's what i'm gathering from the bug-page |
| 13:10.26 | robin_sz | remind me, how do I get rid of all these perl locale warnings in apt-get etc |
| 13:10.42 | somiaj | robin_sz: apt-get install locales |
| 13:10.54 | robin_sz | did that first |
| 13:10.57 | robin_sz | no change |
| 13:11.07 | robin_sz | did dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:11.20 | robin_sz | generated en_GB.UTF8 |
| 13:11.22 | abrotman | raz: right, so not three years :) |
| 13:11.23 | robin_sz | no change |
| 13:11.24 | somiaj | robin_sz: then make sure your locale is set to a valid locale. (type locale to see what it is set to) |
| 13:11.29 | lelu | I have a little problem, I downloaded the php5-rrd_1.1.0-1_amd64.deb and attempted to install it. The install failed as it depends upon virtual package phpapi-20100525. I have tried apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure --pending both return an error |
| 13:11.35 | abrotman | raz: plus, wheezy will likely be released in 6-9 months |
| 13:11.38 | lelu | how can i uninstall this so i can compile from source? |
| 13:11.43 | raz | abrotman: ;) anyway, i'm installing 3.20bpo on one of those hosts now, just to see if it blows up right away |
| 13:12.03 | raz | life's too short for patching kernels.. |
| 13:12.03 | lelu | or how do i install virtual package phpapi-20100525 to continue? |
| 13:12.04 | robin_sz | somiaj, the only unset thing seems to be LC_ALL |
| 13:12.08 | abrotman | raz: remember, lack of 'immediate' security support there |
| 13:12.12 | robin_sz | is that the issue? |
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| 13:12.25 | somiaj | robin_sz: then put the output of 'locale' and a copy of the actual error you are getting at someplace like paste.debian.net |
| 13:12.50 | boairc | so, can anybody recommend me a low RAM mail server (smtp, imap with SSL) |
| 13:12.56 | raz | abrotman: i'll just cross my fingers that theres no remote exploit directly in the kernel... the servers itself only expose ssh and a java-daemon, so.. trying to keep my optimism ;) |
| 13:13.20 | somiaj | lelu: were did you get this php5-rrd package? Was it the right version for your install? Also why didn't you use apt-get to get it and resolve depdencies for you? |
| 13:13.31 | somiaj | lelu: you can remove the package with dpkg -r <package name> |
| 13:13.42 | robin_sz | http://paste.debian.net/187139/ |
| 13:14.52 | lelu | somiaj: I got it from http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/php-rrd/php5-rrd_1.1.0-1_amd64.deb because php5-rrd is not available for my distribution. |
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| 13:15.35 | somiaj | lelu: you do not just download random debs and expect them to install. If there isn't a version for your distribution (what distribution is it by the way?) then you have to make your own deb most likely and compile it. |
| 13:16.31 | somiaj | robin_sz: 'no such file or directory' and it is set to en_US.UTF-8 -- go back to dpkg-reconfigure locales and ensure you generate the en_US.UTF-8 locales (not just the GB ones you said, or set your locales to use the en_GB ones) |
| 13:17.04 | lelu | somiaj: yes, i was going to compile it, but then looking at the deb it didn't have anything different from my compiled lot, looks like the one I downloaded required the most recent version of php5 and the missing php5dismod is causing issue on configure and uninstall |
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| 13:17.19 | somiaj | lelu: what distribution are you using? |
| 13:17.30 | somiaj | ,versions php5-rrd |
| 13:17.31 | judd | Package: php5-rrd on i386 -- sid: 1.1.0-1; wheezy: 1.1.0-1 |
| 13:17.46 | somiaj | ,check-backport php5-rrd |
| 13:17.48 | judd | Backporting package php5-rrd in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
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| 13:18.26 | lelu | somiaj: squeeze, I did add wheezy to my sources.list in hope it would simply update php5 |
| 13:18.36 | somiaj | lelu: NO do not do that. |
| 13:18.49 | abrotman | so full of fail :) |
| 13:18.57 | somiaj | lelu: do not install packages that are not made for squeeze on a squeeze system. You will have to make your own backport, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 13:19.06 | lelu | see i normally just compile from source… this is the first time in years i have tried to use the apt-get system |
| 13:19.16 | abrotman | somiaj: s/squeeze/wheezy/ ? :) |
| 13:19.23 | lelu | looks like i broke it on my first try haha |
| 13:19.31 | somiaj | downloading and trying to install a wheezy package ons queeze was your first mistake. Don't try to add it to your sorces.list |
| 13:19.56 | somiaj | abrotman: I belive I used squeeze correctly. I said packages not made for squeeze. |
| 13:20.27 | abrotman | oh .. misread! you're right! |
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| 13:22.54 | somiaj | abrotman: I misstype things all the time, so I was double checking myself...(: |
| 13:23.00 | lelu | somiaj: looks like its now kicking up a fuss about removing php5-rrd :/ |
| 13:23.25 | abrotman | "its" ? |
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| 13:24.24 | lelu | dpkg |
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| 13:25.26 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 13:25.27 | somiaj | it probabaly tells you excatly why it is making a fuss so you can fix it |
| 13:25.50 | lelu | "/var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-rrd.postrm: 26: php5dismod: not found" |
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| 13:26.03 | abrotman | so comment out that line |
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| 13:26.29 | lelu | oh yes |
| 13:26.30 | lelu | silly me |
| 13:26.56 | lelu | I'm ill, forgive me :p |
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| 13:28.42 | lelu | thankyou |
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| 13:31.02 | lelu | to do this properly, I would imagine I could add the line deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main to my sources and then apt-get -t squeeze-backports install php5-rrd ? |
| 13:31.25 | abrotman | if it exists |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | judd: versions php5-rrd |
| 13:31.33 | judd | Package: php5-rrd on i386 -- sid: 1.1.0-1; wheezy: 1.1.0-1 |
| 13:31.37 | abrotman | but it does not |
| 13:31.52 | somiaj | it doesn't exist in squeeze-backports, but squeeze satisifies all the build depends, so you can build your own from wheezy's sources |
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| 13:32.26 | lelu | cool |
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| 13:32.45 | somiaj | as I said before, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 13:33.12 | lelu | somiaj: i did :p as odd as talking to a bot is, its helped |
| 13:34.37 | somiaj | requesting factoids isn't really talking |
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| 13:35.00 | lelu | all this jumping through hoops just so i don't have to code in python, tsk I'm lazy haha. |
| 13:35.03 | abrotman | the turing machine is complete? :) |
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| 13:37.43 | lelu | it is impressive |
| 13:39.53 | lelu | it is still safe to have deb-src set to wheezy so i can grab source for compile, correct? |
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| 13:40.40 | somiaj | yes it is the binary packages you have to be weary of |
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| 13:41.05 | robin_sz | somiaj, thanks, will try |
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| 13:41.14 | lelu | thanks |
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| 13:50.52 | pillarsdotnet | How can I make an amd64 package specifically depend on libjpeg62:i386 ? |
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| 13:51.13 | somiaj | pillarsdotnet: what is it you are trying to do? |
| 13:51.34 | pillarsdotnet | somiaj: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/502920 |
| 13:51.40 | alexft | i just read sample ec2 sshd config |
| 13:51.51 | alexft | # HostKeys for protocol version 2 HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key HostKey /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key |
| 13:52.18 | alexft | i though it would use public key not private key on a server side? |
| 13:52.57 | abrotman | pillarsdotnet: if you're using Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu, thank you. |
| 13:54.02 | alexft | abrotman lol whats the big deal |
| 13:54.12 | abrotman | Ubuntu is offtopic here, we support Debian here, not Ubuntu |
| 13:54.25 | abrotman | they have their own support volunteers |
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| 13:54.33 | zelrik | hi |
| 13:54.43 | zelrik | I need help repairing gnome-shell |
| 13:54.45 | alexft | abrotman whats u take on that config file? |
| 13:54.52 | zelrik | http://pastebin.com/5V8Swer |
| 13:55.00 | boudiccas | !u |
| 13:55.00 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:55.12 | abrotman | zelrik: URL fail |
| 13:55.18 | zelrik | http://pastebin.com/5V8Swerg |
| 13:55.24 | alexft | :) |
| 13:55.25 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 13:55.29 | alexft | copy paste rules! |
| 13:55.40 | abrotman | zelrik: you're running wheezy? |
| 13:55.45 | DrChaos | Hello. How do I do the apt on cd thing with a USB flash drive? |
| 13:55.50 | DrChaos | I'm running a Debian-derived distro |
| 13:55.51 | zelrik | I tried to install xfce, it broke gnome shell |
| 13:55.54 | zelrik | yeah |
| 13:55.55 | abrotman | DrChaos: please ask them |
| 13:56.03 | abrotman | zelrik: is your system fully up to date? |
| 13:56.14 | zelrik | I think it is |
| 13:56.16 | zelrik | let me check |
| 13:56.17 | abrotman | !tell DrChaos about based on debian |
| 13:56.25 | abrotman | zelrik: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade |
| 13:56.31 | DrChaos | if you could post to me just the basics on how to get it to work on Debian, that would be great |
| 13:56.37 | abrotman | DrChaos: ask them not us |
| 13:56.45 | DrChaos | I'm sure I can adapt the instructions\ |
| 13:56.59 | abrotman | DrChaos: you're offtopic here, you can be banned, please ask the correct channel, this isn't it |
| 13:57.10 | berarma | zelrik: are you using testing or unstable? Are you using any external repositories? |
| 13:57.15 | DrChaos | abrotman: ok |
| 13:57.20 | DrChaos | thanks anyways |
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| 13:58.29 | zelrik | hi again |
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| 13:58.40 | zelrik | testing |
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| 14:00.20 | soloman | should i make .debs for my new dwm compiles? Or just install it with make install ? |
| 14:00.35 | zelrik | abrotman: doing that command now |
| 14:00.35 | soloman | anyone using dwm+debian ? |
| 14:00.51 | abrotman | soloman: or use stow or checkinstall |
| 14:00.51 | zelrik | invalid operation: full upgrade |
| 14:01.12 | abrotman | zelrik: full-upgrade |
| 14:01.18 | zelrik | yeah |
| 14:01.23 | zelrik | full-upgrade |
| 14:01.40 | zelrik | is that an aptitude only command |
| 14:02.19 | zelrik | installing aptitude |
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| 14:08.19 | zelrik | ok I updated |
| 14:08.21 | zelrik | now what |
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| 14:08.30 | zelrik | abrotman: |
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| 14:11.03 | zelrik | hello? |
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| 14:11.43 | abrotman | zelrik: did it update anything? does it still happen ? |
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| 14:11.58 | zelrik | yeah I tried logging in again |
| 14:12.01 | zelrik | same thing |
| 14:12.06 | zelrik | it updated a few things |
| 14:12.10 | zelrik | and cleaned up some packages |
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| 14:12.52 | zelrik | I hope it s still using the right drivers |
| 14:12.57 | zelrik | nvidia drivers |
| 14:13.19 | abrotman | zelrik: create a new user, see if it still messes up |
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| 14:15.34 | boudiccas | we need a revolving door for him, he's in and out so much! |
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| 14:18.39 | alexft | if I use WinSCP editor to edit files would that work? |
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| 14:18.57 | abrotman | use vi |
| 14:19.02 | alexft | I wan to copy sample config its 400 lines |
| 14:19.03 | boudiccas | alexft: use a linux editor and you wont have problems |
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| 14:19.17 | alexft | lol 400 lines in vi? :D |
| 14:19.19 | abrotman | alexft: you're being a stubborn PITA .. |
| 14:19.23 | abrotman | or lazy .. |
| 14:19.26 | abrotman | can't figure out which |
| 14:19.30 | alexft | abtorman of course I am lazy |
| 14:19.46 | alexft | I love technology |
| 14:19.52 | abrotman | so just try it .. see if it works .. that's my lazy answer |
| 14:19.56 | alexft | ok |
| 14:19.57 | alexft | :) |
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| 14:23.45 | chrisirc | Hello. Is there some kind of ID for the machine boot? I've got some status stored in files that is invalidated if the machine is rebooted. |
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| 14:24.12 | alexft | ok kind man left a ready made linux conf file :D |
| 14:24.18 | alexft | hurray |
| 14:24.22 | chrisirc | And I'd rather not add a job for /etc/init.d just to clear that status. |
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| 14:25.49 | abrotman | chrisirc: wait, what? |
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| 14:26.24 | zelrik | hi again |
| 14:26.43 | zelrik | I think xfce4 broke my nvidia config |
| 14:26.48 | zelrik | now gnome-shell wont start |
| 14:27.02 | abrotman | as a new user? |
| 14:27.09 | zelrik | same for new user |
| 14:27.29 | zelrik | I have 295.59 drivers |
| 14:27.33 | zelrik | not the nouveau version |
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| 14:28.42 | dios_mio | how can i write a basic xorg.conf to get a decent screen resolution? |
| 14:28.46 | blubberdiblub | i don't see how xfce4 could break the nvidia config. it usually doesn't have anything to do with the nvidia drivers. xfce speaks to Xorg and Xorg speaks to the drivers |
| 14:29.02 | zelrik | blubberdiblub: but that s what happened |
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| 14:29.21 | zelrik | I installed xfce and gnome-do, then reverted back to gnome-shell, it would start |
| 14:29.31 | zelrik | wouldnt |
| 14:29.36 | abrotman | dios_mio: Xorg -configure |
| 14:29.53 | zelrik | or was it an update that kicked in on restart |
| 14:30.00 | zelrik | and broke gnome-shell |
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| 14:30.05 | zelrik | could be a coincidence |
| 14:30.25 | zelrik | fact is, it s not working now |
| 14:30.25 | blubberdiblub | zelrik, what makes you think that the nvidia config was broken? it's no good just to guess |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | zelrik: how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 14:30.49 | zelrik | blubberdiblub: when I started as new user, I got a warning that my hardware was not capable for gnome shell |
| 14:30.54 | dios_mio | abrotman: i run it with sudo because root is disabled.. this is the final line in output: "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed." |
| 14:31.02 | zelrik | abrotman: I compiled them |
| 14:31.11 | abrotman | zelrik: compiled them? you have the source code? |
| 14:31.18 | zelrik | well |
| 14:31.23 | zelrik | I ran the script |
| 14:31.26 | zelrik | from nvidia |
| 14:31.27 | blubberdiblub | well, okay, so he didn't install the debian packages then ... |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | dios_mio: eh .. that's goofy |
| 14:31.39 | abrotman | zelrik: that's the wrong way |
| 14:31.40 | zelrik | because nouveau failed hard |
| 14:31.57 | zelrik | I needed the nvidia version |
| 14:32.08 | abrotman | dios_mio: what is your card? what is your driver? |
| 14:32.10 | zelrik | it was working that way |
| 14:32.16 | abrotman | zelrik: i doubt you needed the nvidia version |
| 14:32.16 | dios_mio | abrotman: and now i tried to generated xorg.conf and it gives fatal error: no screens found |
| 14:32.29 | zelrik | abrotman: your wrong way was working |
| 14:32.33 | abrotman | god .. nvidia is such a pain in the ass .. i have no idea why anyone buys their hardware |
| 14:32.33 | zelrik | the right way was not |
| 14:32.37 | alexft | how many people here use ec2? |
| 14:32.38 | blubberdiblub | debian has debianized nvidia drivers, zelrik, and you should usually use them, not the binary blob from the nvidia site |
| 14:32.41 | abrotman | zelrik: now is it working ? |
| 14:32.43 | alexft | to host all sites |
| 14:32.54 | zelrik | abrotman: it s not working since the update |
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| 14:33.01 | zelrik | something changed |
| 14:33.03 | abrotman | zelrik: because you did it the 'wrong way' .. |
| 14:33.16 | zelrik | abrotman: THE ONLY that WORKED |
| 14:33.24 | dios_mio | abrotman, it is an NVIDIA GTS something.. I havent installed any drivers on debian yet... because you see, when I did once I had a problem when I went back to console |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | zelrik: when you do it with your method, every time you update basic X or your kernel, the driver is invalidated .. yay |
| 14:33.40 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, well, the hardware is okay, just their drivers suck ... and are not open-sourced :( |
| 14:33.43 | alexft | zelrik dont give up |
| 14:33.50 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: right .. that's why they should be supported |
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| 14:33.54 | alexft | simply google for more solutions |
| 14:33.54 | zelrik | well then, show me what works |
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| 14:34.09 | abrotman | zelrik: did you look at the nvidia page in the debian wiki ? |
| 14:34.24 | zelrik | abrotman: last time, I spent 1 week on it, so yes |
| 14:34.26 | zelrik | YES |
| 14:34.27 | zelrik | I DID |
| 14:34.34 | abrotman | and what about it didn't work ? |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | dios_mio: isn't that an old card? |
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| 14:35.13 | alexft | zelrik maybe use OS that supports things with ease? |
| 14:35.20 | abrotman | alexft: do you need help? |
| 14:35.27 | zelrik | alexft: like windows? |
| 14:35.29 | alexft | abrotman lol do u? |
| 14:35.31 | alexft | yes |
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| 14:35.35 | alexft | win is nice and easy to use |
| 14:35.38 | abrotman | alexft: please stop trolling |
| 14:35.39 | zelrik | I happen to have a license at hand |
| 14:35.52 | zelrik | maybe I should just install something that works |
| 14:35.56 | alexft | yep |
| 14:35.58 | abrotman | zelrik: you have that option |
| 14:36.03 | zelrik | I hate to say that |
| 14:36.09 | abrotman | alexft: if oyu need help, ask your questoin, otherwise, please be quiet |
| 14:36.10 | zelrik | having spent 5 years on linux |
| 14:36.20 | zelrik | but I hate when shit breaks on every update |
| 14:36.21 | dios_mio | abrotman: no i got this pc just last year, it is a new one.. i will let you know when i remember the model.. anyway, now i am going to install the nvidia drivers, and i will let you know the outcome |
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| 14:36.29 | zinx | zelrik: ? |
| 14:36.35 | zinx | zelrik: i run sid and stuff doesn't break every update. |
| 14:36.36 | alexft | abrotman lol your wish stays with you |
| 14:36.47 | dios_mio | abrotman: which nvidia- package do i install please? |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | zinx: he used the nvidia .run and is angry because it broke because he's using testing and packages were updated |
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| 14:37.06 | abrotman | dios_mio: the wiki page would tell you how to do this |
| 14:37.08 | zinx | abrotman: oh, PEBKAC |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | !tell dios_mio about nvidia |
| 14:37.12 | blubberdiblub | zelrik, but it's no use blaming nvidia's faults on linux. make them write proper open source drivers for linux and most problems related to their cards on linux will resolve |
| 14:37.22 | zelrik | abrotman: no I am angry because nvidia drivers are not suppored |
| 14:37.26 | zelrik | supported |
| 14:37.30 | zinx | zelrik: fwiw, I've been using nVidia's drivers for a number of years. on sid. |
| 14:37.31 | abrotman | blubberdiblub: or at least release damn specs so competant people can write drivers |
| 14:37.36 | zelrik | that s what I am angry about |
| 14:37.47 | zelrik | zinx: teach me |
| 14:37.48 | zinx | zelrik: no problems, except currently with multiarch, and that's because the maintainer hasn't updated the packages for multiarch. |
| 14:37.48 | blubberdiblub | abrotman, agreed |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | zelrik: they're supported, you just did it a non-Debian way .. |
| 14:37.58 | zinx | zelrik: aptitude install nvidia-glx |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | zelrik: so Debian has no clue about your drivers that you've installed from the .run, and happily overwrites files it doesn't know about .. yay |
| 14:38.16 | zinx | zelrik: you may want nvidia-settings too |
| 14:38.39 | zelrik | those came with the drivers |
| 14:38.41 | zinx | zelrik: and god knows what that .run did to your system, i've never been dumb enough to use one on Debian. |
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| 14:39.15 | zelrik | zinx: at the time, that was the only option |
| 14:39.22 | abrotman | ... |
| 14:39.22 | zinx | zelrik: no, it wasn't |
| 14:39.31 | zelrik | it s somebody from here who showed me |
| 14:39.40 | abrotman | then they didn't know what they were doing |
| 14:39.49 | zinx | ^^ |
| 14:40.06 | zinx | zelrik: even #nVidia will tell you to use distro drivers, not the .run, if anyone with half a clue answers :P |
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| 14:40.21 | zinx | zelrik: heck, it's in the topic |
| 14:40.23 | berarma | zelrik: nvidia drivers are well supported |
| 14:40.38 | berarma | zelrik: I'm using gnome-shell with nouveau and nvidia, both in Debian |
| 14:40.44 | zelrik | well, I ll agree once it will work |
| 14:40.55 | abrotman | wonders where his apostrophe key went .. |
| 14:40.55 | zelrik | nouveau didnt work 1 month ago |
| 14:41.22 | zinx | i've not tried nouveau except during very early days when they'd just got it sortakinda running glxgears |
| 14:41.24 | blubberdiblub | i'm using xfce4 with (debian packaged) nvidia drivers here, and it's working fine |
| 14:41.35 | berarma | zelrik: I'm running both and both work |
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| 14:43.58 | blubberdiblub | nouveau made a lot of progress, but they'll always lag behind unless nvidia would come to their senses and release specs |
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| 14:44.41 | dios_mio | abrotman: ok it is a nvidia GeForce 450 GTS... is that legacy? |
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| 14:45.03 | abrotman | dios_mio: there's a script on the wiki page that will tell you |
| 14:45.16 | abrotman | or should anyway |
| 14:45.34 | dios_mio | abrotman: ok thanks |
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| 14:46.56 | clod89 | apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring says there's no such package |
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| 14:47.04 | dios_mio | abrotman: this is what it says: "Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the current drivers series, which is only |
| 14:47.16 | dios_mio | ...which is only in Squeeze." |
| 14:47.26 | boudiccas | clod89: what version of debian? |
| 14:47.33 | abrotman | clod89: did you apt-get update ? |
| 14:47.41 | clod89 | abrotman: yes |
| 14:47.46 | clod89 | boudiccas: squeeze |
| 14:47.46 | abrotman | dios_mio: not legacy ? |
| 14:47.50 | abrotman | dios_mio: so it is an old card? |
| 14:47.53 | dios_mio | abrotman: I used m-a auto-install with this: nvidia-kernel-source... i did not enter any version |
| 14:48.02 | dios_mio | abrotman: i dont know what it means |
| 14:48.35 | abrotman | clod89: did you add the debian-multimedia sources ? |
| 14:48.45 | abrotman | dios_mio: and it doesn't work ? |
| 14:48.50 | blubberdiblub | isn't the module-assistant way obsolete? at least on wheezy they use dkms now, don't know about squeeze, tho |
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| 14:49.03 | abrotman | dios_mio: are you using wheezy or squeeze? |
| 14:49.09 | clod89 | abrotman: yes but if i ran apt-get update without that packages it gives gpg errors (as it should) |
| 14:49.17 | zelrik | good job, now my desktop broke |
| 14:49.22 | zelrik | no more DE |
| 14:49.30 | abrotman | clod89: are there instructions on their site about the key? |
| 14:49.32 | zelrik | is that the debian way? |
| 14:49.34 | dios_mio | abrotman: well this script didnt set any $VERSION variable anyway as it says it would, so i take it that i did it right... but you see, when i startx i still get my 800x600 resolution |
| 14:49.50 | clod89 | abrotman: yes they say it's in the repository since squeeze |
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| 14:50.22 | abrotman | clod89: moment .. let me look at their site |
| 14:50.26 | zelrik | sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx broke x |
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| 14:50.42 | zelrik | now I am stuck in a terminal |
| 14:50.49 | blubberdiblub | zelrik, you've been told why it would probably break. the .run blob already ruined your system |
| 14:51.26 | zelrik | now this was its state before installing it |
| 14:51.30 | alexft | guys if I used apt-get install to install package and got error message and then run it with f to install dependencies, which command I can use to reinstall pack that gave 1 error? |
| 14:51.36 | zelrik | so not so surprised |
| 14:51.59 | abrotman | clod89: okay, put your /etc/apt/sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 14:52.22 | zelrik | so what next |
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| 14:52.57 | abrotman | dios_mio: wheezy or squeeze? |
| 14:53.07 | abrotman | maybe we need a #debian-nvidia channel :) |
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| 14:53.36 | zelrik | I wouldnt be proud of that |
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| 14:53.42 | alexft | yep |
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| 14:54.41 | clod89 | abrotman: pastebinit doesn't work it says to use the new api, what else can i use? |
| 14:54.45 | abrotman | zelrik: if i were nvidia, i wouldn't be proud of the crap drivers they release |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | clod89: any that work .. pastebin.com may work |
| 14:55.03 | zelrik | I hope you guys understand that you screwed me |
| 14:55.06 | zelrik | with that command |
| 14:55.10 | boudiccas | clod89: soo use dpaste like abrotman said |
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| 14:55.35 | zelrik | now is gonna be hard to backup my stuff |
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| 14:55.42 | blubberdiblub | zelrik, we didn't do anything to you. we hope you understand that you screwed your system by running the .run blob from the nvidia site |
| 14:55.59 | zelrik | blubberdiblub: no, it actually fixed it |
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| 14:56.01 | abrotman | D!why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 14:56.04 | abrotman | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 14:56.05 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow Xorg is updated -- the nvidia driver will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. We recommend against using it based on extensive experience. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 14:56.05 | blubberdiblub | zelrik, it just overwrites files without knowing what it does |
| 14:56.06 | zelrik | until the update broke it |
| 14:56.20 | abrotman | because the updates work with Debian, nvidia doesn't .. Debian broke it ? |
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| 14:56.46 | zelrik | the debian version of nvidia didnt work |
| 14:56.51 | zelrik | it didnt alright? |
| 14:56.53 | zelrik | IT DIDNT |
| 14:56.54 | abrotman | you're ignoring what blubberdiblub said |
| 14:57.01 | abrotman | keep ranting ... |
| 14:57.03 | blubberdiblub | it would have worked if you didn't install the .run blob before |
| 14:57.16 | zelrik | but what I am complaining about now is that command |
| 14:57.30 | zelrik | you should have told me to backup my system before running it |
| 14:57.33 | zelrik | now I have no x |
| 14:57.50 | blubberdiblub | (and of course using the right -glx package that corresponds to your version of the card) |
| 14:58.21 | alexft | hey sure any one get pissed off, linux aint easy |
| 14:58.40 | blubberdiblub | zelrik, you should have backed up the system before using the .run blob. the system is borked as soon as you use the .run, as it interferes with badly package management |
| 14:58.41 | alexft | its understandable that perhaps things take tike |
| 14:58.50 | alexft | *time |
| 14:58.51 | boudiccas | rubbish, its as easy as you putting in the time to understand it and get it wqorking |
| 14:58.51 | abrotman | alexft: please control yourself |
| 14:58.56 | zelrik | blubberdiblub: I wasnt warned about that |
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| 14:59.08 | zelrik | and it s here that I asked for help last time |
| 14:59.14 | abrotman | zelrik: nonsense, i told you that was the wrong way, you told me it was the right way ... |
| 14:59.15 | alexft | abrotman lol are u projecting wishes concerning yourself? |
| 14:59.15 | zelrik | for about a week |
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| 14:59.24 | zelrik | so it s not like I wasnt around |
| 14:59.27 | zelrik | asking questions |
| 14:59.32 | abrotman | alexft: please take a timeout, be less noisy in the future |
| 14:59.47 | clod89 | abrotman: sorry it took a while, http://bpaste.net/show/43181/ |
| 15:00.01 | abrotman | clod89: looking |
| 15:00.25 | abrotman | clod89: apt-get update;apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring .. tell it to ignore the warnings |
| 15:00.30 | zelrik | now I dont know what to do |
| 15:00.32 | zelrik | I am stuck |
| 15:00.45 | zelrik | I need to find a way to backup my data |
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| 15:00.56 | abrotman | what do you normally back up your data to ? |
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| 15:01.06 | clod89 | abrotman: how can i tell it to ignore the warnings? |
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| 15:01.07 | blubberdiblub | zelrik, well, there are not always people around having experience with nvidia drivers. it's really unfortunate that it happened to you, but we can't really do anything if you don't have a backup from before running the .run blob |
| 15:01.08 | zelrik | I burn CDs |
| 15:01.23 | abrotman | clod89: it should ask you to avoid it |
| 15:01.33 | clod89 | abrotman: it doesn't ask anything |
| 15:02.03 | clod89 | abrotman: apt-get update updates and gives an error at the end about the gpg key, while apt-get instal etcetc simply says that the package does not exists |
| 15:02.04 | tharkun | zelrik: ok, time to stop and rethink where you are standing and what do you actually want to do. |
| 15:02.12 | abrotman | clod89: paste the output of "apt-get update;apt-get install deb-multimedia-keyring' .. you can use the 'script' command to save the output |
| 15:02.13 | zelrik | I could transfer stuff to my laptop |
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| 15:02.23 | zelrik | if it s possible |
| 15:02.26 | zelrik | from command line |
| 15:02.27 | clod89 | abrotman: ok |
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| 15:02.43 | zelrik | (I am on laptop now) |
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| 15:03.34 | dios_mio | abrotman: shouldnt m-a generate a xorg.conf for me? |
| 15:03.42 | abrotman | dios_mio: i can't imagine so .. |
| 15:04.54 | zelrik | so is there a way I could get some help to backup my data? |
| 15:04.57 | zelrik | please... |
| 15:05.03 | wolfric | i'm how would i install debian onto a drive offline? As in running debian atm, want to install debian to a drive i have connected that i'll be using on some other system |
| 15:05.20 | abrotman | wolfric: use the full set of CDs or DVDs |
| 15:05.24 | wolfric | no idea how that "i'm" got in there but just ignore it |
| 15:05.31 | wolfric | abrotman: you'll have to be a bit more specific |
| 15:05.47 | wolfric | i want to install it without booting from the install cds |
| 15:05.47 | abrotman | zelrik: mkisofs + wodim |
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| 15:05.52 | abrotman | wolfric: OH |
| 15:06.03 | abrotman | wolfric: i thought offline meant .. no internets |
| 15:06.33 | abrotman | wolfric: do you have a current linux box? |
| 15:06.59 | tharkun | zelrik: If you have ssh installed on both machines and rsync you can backup from one to the other |
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| 15:07.16 | wolfric | abrotman: yes that's what i'll be doing it from |
| 15:07.26 | abrotman | !tell wolfric about debootstrap |
| 15:07.28 | zelrik | I should probably configure the wifi first |
| 15:07.36 | zelrik | my desktop is without connection right now |
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| 15:07.58 | wolfric | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:08.06 | clod89 | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/794810/ |
| 15:08.29 | wolfric | that's the one i was looking for |
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| 15:09.35 | abrotman | clod89: hrm .. ppc |
| 15:09.36 | wolfric | does debian install just the drivers you need? as this will be taken out of the current pc and put into a completely different one |
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| 15:10.16 | abrotman | clod89: ah, i see i thikn |
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| 15:10.31 | abrotman | clod89: you need a 'squeeze' line for the dmm stuff |
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| 15:12.01 | clod89 | abrotman: nope that didn't work |
| 15:12.43 | clod89 | abrotman: what really bugs me is that the gpg package seems not to be aviable in the official repository, while it should according to the site |
| 15:13.08 | blubberdiblub | clod89, have you followed the guide on the debian multimedia site for downloading the gpg key and adding it to the apt keyring? |
| 15:13.24 | blubberdiblub | clod89, the package is "gnupg" |
| 15:13.32 | abrotman | clod89: paste your sources again |
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| 15:14.37 | clod89 | blubberdiblub: that's not it, and yes i've followed the instructions The first package to install is deb-multimedia-keyring. |
| 15:14.40 | clod89 | Since Squeeze you can install this package with apt-get but you need to presse Y when the package ask what to do and do not press return |
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| 15:15.32 | blubberdiblub | clod89, well, here on my system, the gnupg package contains the gpg executable |
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| 15:16.04 | blubberdiblub | clod89, and the site seems to return a 404 not found too. can you try using a different dmm mirror? |
| 15:16.04 | clod89 | blubberdiblub: it's the gpg key not the executable that is needed i think |
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| 15:16.11 | zelrik | hi again |
| 15:16.43 | clod89 | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/794814/ |
| 15:16.51 | blubberdiblub | clod89, the gpg key is available in the package you're told to install. but it should also be available separately on their website (at least it used to in the past) |
| 15:17.46 | abrotman | clod89: you didn't do what i said |
| 15:17.56 | clod89 | abrotman: i tried and reverted |
| 15:18.06 | abrotman | add deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main |
| 15:19.05 | clod89 | abrotman: no difference it still needs the gpg key |
| 15:19.16 | clod89 | blubberdiblub: can't find it :-/ |
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| 15:21.25 | abrotman | clod89: still can't find the package? or just wants the key? |
| 15:21.33 | clod89 | abrotman: both |
| 15:21.45 | clod89 | abrotman: oh wait |
| 15:21.54 | abrotman | ... |
| 15:21.54 | clod89 | abrotman: nope seems like now it's there |
| 15:22.02 | abrotman | there we go |
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| 15:22.23 | abrotman | all fixed up ? |
| 15:22.51 | clod89 | abrotman: prettu much, just one more question |
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| 15:23.07 | lasers | our clock is 1 minute and 16.0 seconds behind. |
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| 15:23.12 | lasers | Your* |
| 15:23.22 | clod89 | abrotman: i'd need to add the squeeze-backports to the multimedia repository |
| 15:23.25 | ner0x | How can I use ssh to connect, run a remote script, and then disconnect? |
| 15:23.32 | lasers | Do I want to install ntp or ntpdate? (to sync my main pc) |
| 15:23.45 | boudiccas | lasers: ntp |
| 15:24.10 | lasers | boudiccas: Thank you. Is this something the PC will run in the cron or once every boot? |
| 15:24.31 | boudiccas | lasers: it keeps running it as a daemon |
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| 15:25.18 | abrotman | clod89: need to? for what? |
| 15:25.24 | lasers | boudiccas: Your time is exact! The difference from Time.is was -0.056 seconds (±0.130 seconds). Thanks. :) |
| 15:26.06 | boudiccas | lasaeri'm using ntp on wheezy and it just keeps the time in sync, no problems |
| 15:26.13 | clod89 | abrotman: nevermind, got it, anyway as you saw it's a ppc, i'm trying to give a new life to an old ibook as a multimedia laptop and wanted to install the latest xbmc |
| 15:26.13 | abrotman | clod89: sorry, partially here, making tasty treats |
| 15:26.30 | abrotman | clod89: ah, okay, good luck .. i'd settle for X working at all on my PPC box |
| 15:26.40 | abrotman | (probably doesn't help it's plugged into a tv) |
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| 15:27.18 | dios_mio | abrotman: i installed the drivers from NVIDIA site, and it works fine now.. somethings wrong with the debian version |
| 15:27.31 | ner0x | acemi: I thought it was that easy, but it doesn't load a .bashrc for the user. |
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| 15:27.41 | clod89 | abrotman: ahah x is working so far :-) 3D hw acceleration too (sort of), and about that is gallium enabled by default? i've installed the whole X window system from the backports |
| 15:28.34 | acemi | ner0x: why do you need to load .bashrc? |
| 15:28.59 | abrotman | dios_mio: i'll disagree, but it's your box, not mine |
| 15:29.14 | abrotman | dios_mio: if it were my machine, it wouldn't be tainted with nvidia hardware to begin with :) |
| 15:29.27 | abrotman | clod89: i'm not sure .. you can probalby check the logs |
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| 15:31.17 | ner0x | acemi: I have a local perl build setup and it needs to use those modules. |
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| 15:31.44 | dios_mio | abrotman: lol |
| 15:32.02 | pablo | hello, what are the first 1024k of my disk used for aart from mbr? |
| 15:32.10 | pablo | s/aart/apart/ |
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| 15:33.17 | blubberdiblub | pable, grub, and aligning your first partition so it starts at a sector that's good for i/o performance |
| 15:33.25 | blubberdiblub | pablo ^ |
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| 15:34.17 | zelrik | how to set a hostname with ssh |
| 15:35.09 | pablo | blubberdiblub: for grub the first 32k it will be enough |
| 15:35.31 | pablo | blubberdiblub: are the 32k to 1024k left with no use? |
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| 15:36.19 | SiDz | ssh user@ip/host "echo hostname > /etc/hostname" |
| 15:36.37 | SiDz | zelrik |
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| 15:37.35 | blubberdiblub | pablo, yes. but grub sometimes grows bigger with new versions and depending on what modules it has to include in order to read the /boot/grub/ directory. i wouldn't worry about the little space wasted. it's not really much considering today's disk sizes. if you're really on a small disk, just repartition it so it starts at say 64k (to be safe) |
| 15:37.56 | SiDz | any way to make my bluetooth keyboard work in grub? |
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| 15:39.15 | zelrik | SiDz: how do I know my ip address |
| 15:39.23 | zelrik | I am using the wifi connection |
| 15:39.36 | tharkun | zelrik: ip addr list |
| 15:40.12 | zelrik | that s like, the local address |
| 15:40.24 | SiDz | what do you want to do? |
| 15:40.35 | zelrik | set up my laptop as a ssh server |
| 15:40.43 | SiDz | ap-get install openssh |
| 15:41.04 | tharkun | zelrik: that is the only one you will get from your computer. According to your isp you might be using one single ip or several to fetch information from internet |
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| 15:41.48 | tharkun | SiDz: ITYM apt-get install openssh-server |
| 15:42.10 | zelrik | so far it s not working |
| 15:42.36 | tharkun | zelrik: what do you want exactly to do |
| 15:42.37 | zelrik | I cant ssh to my laptop |
| 15:42.49 | zelrik | I think mostly because I dont know what hostname I should put |
| 15:43.02 | zelrik | I want to ssh to my laptop from my desktop |
| 15:43.06 | tharkun | zelrik: ssh user@xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 15:43.06 | pablo | blubberdiblub: ok on my debian installation, who choosed to leave the first 1024k free? gparted or debian? |
| 15:43.17 | zelrik | what is xxx |
| 15:43.24 | zelrik | 192.168.0.x? |
| 15:43.29 | simonlnu | ip address... |
| 15:43.31 | tharkun | a number form 1..255 |
| 15:43.39 | blubberdiblub | pablo, parted |
| 15:43.50 | pablo | blubberdiblub: ok thanks for the info |
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| 15:44.38 | timva2005 | test |
| 15:44.46 | simonlnu | test failed |
| 15:44.54 | timva2005 | ok thanks :) |
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| 15:45.12 | simonlnu | ;) |
| 15:45.37 | timva2005 | question.... my current debian version is sarge (yeah, yeah, it's been a LONG WHILE). To uprade, must I first upgrade to etch or can I jump directly to squeeze? |
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| 15:45.54 | tharkun | timva2005: do a fresh install it will take you less time to upgrade |
| 15:46.03 | simonlnu | don't jump |
| 15:46.27 | tharkun | timva2005: the actual way should be sarge->etch->lenny->squeeze |
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| 15:46.48 | zelrik | oh |
| 15:46.56 | simonlnu | debian's designed to upgrade from one to the next, with no jumps. you get to keep both pieces if you do jump ;). |
| 15:46.57 | zelrik | connecting from my laptop to desktop is easier |
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| 15:47.21 | timva2005 | it's been a while...roughly how long to upgrade to etch? |
| 15:47.43 | simonlnu | depends on your box, more |
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| 15:47.43 | tharkun | depends a lot on what you have installed and the speed of your connection |
| 15:47.58 | Rotaerk | when booting the 3.2 kernel, it doesn't display many boot messages before the screen goes black, time passes, and the login screen appears |
| 15:48.04 | simonlnu | and yes, # of packages installed, quite |
| 15:48.16 | Rotaerk | is there a way to prevent that? I want to see all the boot messages if possible |
| 15:48.46 | simonlnu | sounds like a (minor) video issue |
| 15:48.52 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, is that a laptop? |
| 15:48.53 | blubberdiblub | yeah |
| 15:48.58 | Rotaerk | nope, desktop |
| 15:49.07 | simonlnu | in this case, no console video is working |
| 15:49.14 | Rotaerk | hmm |
| 15:49.22 | simonlnu | but kicks in when the xorg video does |
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| 15:49.40 | timva2005 | ok, again it's been a while...can you point me to clear upgrade steps to etch? |
| 15:49.57 | simonlnu | dpkg: sarge->etch |
| 15:49.57 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <etch release notes>. The recommended system upgrade procedure is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the procedure in the release notes. Ask me about <etch sources.list> as this release has since been archived. Also ask me about <etch> and <etch->lenny>. |
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| 15:50.15 | Rotaerk | you want to upgrade to etch? isn't that a little dated? |
| 15:50.35 | simonlnu | keep asking the bot for successive releases. it has all that info for each one |
| 15:50.37 | timva2005 | i know...I am on sarge now |
| 15:50.46 | Rotaerk | so why not upgrade to squeeze? |
| 15:50.47 | timva2005 | ok thx simon |
| 15:50.51 | simonlnu | np |
| 15:50.57 | Rotaerk | or do you have to do them one version at a time |
| 15:50.58 | timva2005 | rotaerk because they said cannot jump |
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| 15:51.01 | simonlnu | Rotaerk: hush |
| 15:51.12 | timva2005 | rotaerk, one version at a time it seems |
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| 15:51.16 | Rotaerk | ah |
| 15:51.21 | simonlnu | read scrollback for the discussion |
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| 15:51.33 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, yes, always take one version at a time |
| 15:51.36 | tharkun | timva2005: If you have stuff like an MTA or Mysql the configuration files have changed so much that they will break anyway. I do recomend again to do a fresh install it will take you 25% of your download time ... |
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| 15:52.16 | simonlnu | only drawback of that is having to re-do configs |
| 15:52.16 | timva2005 | tharkun, does 'fresh install' mean cleaning out all the directories? I don't want to mess up any of my current data |
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| 15:52.25 | dios_mio | what is a good alternative to xterm? and what is a good alternative to xpdf? |
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| 15:52.35 | tharkun | timva2005: Backup is the way to go. |
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| 15:53.00 | daimrod | dios_mio: sakura/evince? |
| 15:53.03 | Rotaerk | simonlnu: there was no scrollback; I joined in the middle of the conversation |
| 15:53.07 | blubberdiblub | dios_mio, there are _a lot_ alternatives to xterm. i use rxvt-unicode here. and there are quite some alternatives to xpdf. i use evince and epdfview here |
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| 15:53.44 | gotmynick | what is wrong with xterm ? |
| 15:53.46 | simonlnu | Rotaerk: oh, yes, i see. i didn't realise you had re-jioned. |
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| 15:53.53 | gotmynick | ah... transparency... an eye waster |
| 15:53.59 | timva2005 | actually, honestly, the immediate reason to do anything at all on my box is to get CUPS working again. It used to, not it doesn't work. Thought maybe I should upgrade to latest debian release. |
| 15:54.12 | timva2005 | not= now |
| 15:54.14 | wolfric | does anyone know of a page with full instructions on installing debian to an offline disk while you're booted into another? so debootstrap seems to be ok if you're just chrooting into it, but for example if i want to boot off it, i'm guessing i also need to install grub and do some more configuration |
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| 15:54.26 | simonlnu | timva2005: that would be a good idea regardless ;) |
| 15:54.28 | dios_mio | thanks for recomendations |
| 15:54.35 | timva2005 | simon true |
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| 15:54.54 | blubberdiblub | gotmynick, there's nothing wrong with xterm. it's just that different people have different likes |
| 15:55.04 | timva2005 | i just want to print my damn Cirque du Soleil ticket for tonight :-) That's what prompted all this :-) |
| 15:55.35 | simonlnu | i have some off-topic comments WRT cirque du soleil... |
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| 15:55.55 | timva2005 | hey dont know Cirque :) |
| 15:55.58 | timva2005 | ooops |
| 15:56.05 | timva2005 | I mean: hey dont knock Cirque |
| 15:56.08 | boudiccas | timva2005: well yopu wont do it! you, ve got several hours work ahead of you to get to squeeze, but, good luck |
| 15:56.28 | timva2005 | boudiccas, good to know. I guess Kinkos to the rescue. |
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| 15:58.24 | timva2005 | tharkun, in case I want to do fresh install like you recommended, that means AGAIN selecting the packages I need and reintalling/configuring each one? |
| 15:59.00 | tharkun | yes, but you can also |
| 15:59.01 | tharkun | timva2005: A short cut to cut down upgrade time. Backup everything. Uninstall everything that is not needed for booting. Upgrade to next release. Make sure it boots. Upgrade to next release. ... When at current release. Install everything again and customize configs as needed |
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| 15:59.38 | tharkun | !aptitude clone |
| 15:59.38 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
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| 16:00.02 | tharkun | timva2005: ^^ that can help you to get whatever list of packages you have on your server. |
| 16:00.08 | timva2005 | ok thx |
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| 16:01.46 | simonlnu | timva2005: mind if i /msg you, or you /join #debian-offtopic ? |
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| 16:02.09 | timva2005 | simon, can /msg me (cirque?) |
| 16:02.22 | simonlnu | yeh cirque |
| 16:02.25 | timva2005 | haha |
| 16:02.30 | timva2005 | oh...uh oh :) |
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| 16:08.14 | simonlnu | i have an issue with mini-buildd. when i go to create the keyrinf package, it always fails, with a "core deps not satisfied" error. i've set up 2 repos, one local, one debian. |
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| 16:18.25 | pikaro | Hi! When setting up a new encrypted system, is the step to securely erase data truly necessarym? Or is it just to preevent access to the data that was on the drive before? |
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| 16:20.18 | engla | pikaro: and to obscure which blocks are used |
| 16:20.19 | simonlnu | erm, keyring* |
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| 16:20.41 | engla | pikaro: I think there are faster ways to do it than using urandom |
| 16:21.10 | pikaro | The debian installer win't let me choose |
| 16:21.21 | pikaro | *won't |
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| 16:22.35 | pikaro | The system uses the entire disk, anyways - still necessary to obscure blocks? |
| 16:23.31 | blubberdiblub | pikaro, you could skip the step entirely, if you don't mind. or you could skip the step and do it later by filling the disk with a file nearly to the brim (preferably in single user mode) and then deleting the dummy file again |
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| 16:25.50 | pikaro | There was an encrypted system on the diskbefore, so i really dont care if this data can be accessed |
| 16:26.22 | pikaro | (Typing from mobile now, thus slow) |
| 16:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | How do you fix the address book when you upgrade to kde4? |
| 16:27.20 | pikaro | Just want to know if the security of the new system may be compromised if i skip the step |
| 16:27.45 | jhutchins_lt | pikaro: As far as I know you can't even skip the step on a new drive. |
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| 16:28.46 | pikaro | Oh, ok. Lame, it's taking hours... |
| 16:29.54 | pikaro | Well thanks, guess i will go with filling the drive over night like blubberdiblub suggested |
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| 16:32.05 | boudiccas | pikaro: you could use truecrypt which works very well under squeeze and wheezy too |
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| 16:33.00 | pikaro | I know, but the installer just allows for luks |
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| 16:33.32 | boudiccas | forget luks and just use truecrypt, i think its better but your milage may vary |
| 16:34.24 | abrotman | isn't truecrypt still non-free ? |
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| 16:34.49 | boudiccas | i've used it under squeeze, then ubuntu, and then wheezy. its survived all those transfers and also power cuts too |
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| 16:35.12 | boudiccas | abrotman: its free, and you can get the source too |
| 16:35.31 | abrotman | it's still non-free |
| 16:35.48 | boudiccas | whats the definition of non-free then please? |
| 16:35.55 | abrotman | !tell boudiccas about truecrypt |
| 16:35.58 | abrotman | !tell boudiccas about dfsg |
| 16:36.17 | blubberdiblub | free like free speech (as opposed to free bear), boudiccas |
| 16:36.23 | blubberdiblub | *beer |
| 16:36.28 | abrotman | mmm bera |
| 16:36.31 | abrotman | :( |
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| 16:40.28 | zelrik | it s working again Oo |
| 16:40.32 | jmd | The man page for iptables suggest that I can use ! to invert a IP spec. |
| 16:40.34 | zelrik | not sure what happened |
| 16:40.43 | zelrik | how do I see the nvidia driver version |
| 16:40.43 | jmd | But trying it, suggests otherwise. |
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| 16:40.52 | jmd | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -s !192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:41.22 | abrotman | jmd: it should work .. try a space before the 192 ? |
| 16:41.36 | blubberdiblub | jmd, is bash complaining? try putting a \ in front of the ! |
| 16:41.43 | jmd | Using intrapositioned negation (`--option ! this`) is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned (`! --option this`). |
| 16:41.56 | blubberdiblub | oh, okay, ignore me |
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| 16:42.27 | blubberdiblub | you're probably supposed to put the ! in front of the -s |
| 16:42.45 | blubberdiblub | like ! -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 16:43.07 | jmd | blubberdiblub: You're right. |
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| 16:43.40 | jmd | (although the damn thing still won't route packets!) |
| 16:43.53 | jmd | How can I debug NAT problems? |
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| 16:44.00 | abrotman | there is #netfilter also |
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| 16:44.31 | jmd | abrotman: thanks. |
| 16:44.50 | jmd | Using intrapositioned negation (`--option ! this`) is deprecated in favor of extrapositioned (`! --option this`). |
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| 16:46.56 | blubberdiblub | doesn't look semantically correct to me, anyway. -o wlan0 doesn't seem right (unless your wan interface is wireless) and _not_ 192.168.0.0/24 doesn't seem right either, you'd probably want it to be exactly that |
| 16:49.31 | blubberdiblub | maybe try -i wlan0 ! -d 192.168.0.0/24 instead |
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| 16:53.17 | NoCode | Will the Daily Build of Testing install from USB? |
| 16:53.29 | NoCode | (with old installer) |
| 16:53.32 | zelrik | what driver version is currently in debian for nvidia |
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| 16:56.18 | boudiccas | nvidia what? you have to be very specific |
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| 16:56.40 | zelrik | gforce |
| 16:56.50 | zelrik | driver version |
| 16:56.54 | boudiccas | and? |
| 16:56.55 | zelrik | couldnt be more specific |
| 16:57.10 | boudiccas | no letters andnumbers of the model number? |
| 16:57.11 | zelrik | oh |
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| 16:57.16 | zelrik | debian wheezy |
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| 16:57.46 | Rotaerk | well, figured out the issue with the screen going black |
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| 16:58.25 | AlphaPinky | Hello. I´m considering installing Debian on my Notebook. But I´m not sure if it may work fine. I have a Dell XPS 502x that has a NVidia GeForce 525M. I was told I would have to do all sorts of hacks to have it working fine. Is there a specific guide for my notebook? So I can be sure what works and what doesnt? |
| 16:58.33 | Rotaerk | the issue was KMS |
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| 16:58.52 | zelrik | 9800GT |
| 16:59.00 | Rotaerk | I went into i915-kms.conf and set: options i915 modeset=0 |
| 16:59.06 | Rotaerk | and now the consoles display |
| 16:59.08 | zelrik | I thought the driver version was the same for all cards |
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| 17:00.00 | Rotaerk | nevyn: I don't think flashcache will work for me; I thought it did with 2.6, but now that I've upgraded to 3.2, I get sporating boot results |
| 17:00.24 | Rotaerk | nevyn: I made it so that flashcache_create is executed just before lvm2 starts |
| 17:00.44 | AlphaPinky | I´ve found this: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell ... But It doesnt list my notebook and I wonder if it is updated. |
| 17:00.45 | Rotaerk | and it seemed like it worked at one point, but other times the system just doesn't finish booting |
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| 17:01.58 | Rotaerk | nevyn: at least, I can't make it work *under* the volume group; i might be able to work on top of LVM |
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| 17:16.57 | vishy | I'm having an issue where a config file that is in one of the python directories isn't getting copied into the package |
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| 17:36.10 | simonlnu | ok, i figured it out. i switched to the stable version of mini-buildd... |
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| 17:39.40 | trysten | heya debian! does anyone here use arduino on debian? |
| 17:39.58 | trysten | i mean, programming an arduino based chip from debian. |
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| 17:45.20 | jmd | I have this line: "MASQUERADE all -- 192.168.0.0/24 anywhere" in my nat table. |
| 17:45.57 | jmd | Which should mean all packets originating from that network are masqueraded. |
| 17:46.27 | jmd | But any attempt to send such a packet gets the error "Network unreachable". How can I debug this? |
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| 17:52.39 | lelu | hey all. I have a process running as its own user which is editing files available via my website. the user is mc1:mc1 and i have added group mc1 to user www-data |
| 17:53.05 | lelu | all goes well and having chown mc1:mc1 the public directory both www-data and mc1 can r/w fine |
| 17:53.24 | lelu | however once i start the process all new files written by mc1 have permission -rw-rw---- |
| 17:53.32 | lelu | which is blocking public access |
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| 17:54.12 | lelu | how would i fix this so that all new files written from user mc1 have the correct permissions mask |
| 17:54.13 | lelu | ? |
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| 17:59.43 | Rotaerk | nevyn: nevermind about flashcache; after I disabled modeset so that I could see the boot messages, it seems the failure to boot is unrelated to flashcache |
| 17:59.51 | Rotaerk | hmm... |
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| 18:23.00 | converge | is there a easy way to make a one line shell script run into boot ? |
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| 18:25.41 | ksuhku | converge, see /etc/init.d/ |
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| 18:57.36 | jmd | Are there any instructions on how to setup IP masquerading in recent debian releases? |
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| 19:04.27 | boudiccas | i've just installed etckeeper which immediately ran and i was unable to write down the details of where it keeps its backed up conf files. can anyone tell me please? |
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| 19:07.26 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, if etckeeper is configured with git, the store is inside /etc/.git |
| 19:08.23 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, you should directly tamper with the files inside there, tho. in case of git, use git to manipulate them |
| 19:08.29 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, *shouldn't |
| 19:08.34 | boudiccas | blubberdiblub: i saw that it said git as it flashed by, so i had a look in /etc/.git which seems to be empty, but thanks, i'll search further |
| 19:09.29 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, egrep '^VCS=' /etc/etckeeper/etckeeper.conf |
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| 19:11.47 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, if it's git, the files go into /etc/.git/objects, there can be no doubt about that. the repo might not have been initialized yet and so it might have refrained from putting anything under git |
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| 19:19.03 | derdon | which jabber client? gajim, gossip or something completely different? |
| 19:19.16 | blubberdiblub | whichever you like best, derdon |
| 19:19.38 | derdon | oh, didn't know that. thank you. |
| 19:19.39 | rudi_s | derdon: irssi with bitlbee ;-) |
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| 19:19.58 | derdon | rudi_s: my irc client is weechat! |
| 19:20.10 | rudi_s | derdon: Well, then weechat with bitlbee ;-) |
| 19:20.26 | rudi_s | I really like it to use my IRC client for other chat protocols as well. |
| 19:20.30 | derdon | for console, I'd use MCabber |
| 19:20.30 | rudi_s | -it |
| 19:20.46 | rudi_s | derdon: Well, as blubberdiblub said, try a few and decide which you like. |
| 19:21.14 | derdon | I'll do |
| 19:22.07 | derdon | gajim has texlive-latex-base as dependency. wth?! |
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| 19:22.53 | boudiccas | blubberdiblub: yes, it is in a git repository under /etc/.git but i have no way of knowing how to access it, but that can keep till tomorrow as i'm going to bed now. thanks |
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| 19:23.05 | rudi_s | derdon: Only as suggests. |
| 19:23.17 | rudi_s | I guess because it can display Tex .. |
| 19:23.37 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, i recommend to read one git tutorial or two (well, tomorrow, when you've got time) |
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| 19:31.42 | everence | Hi. Where can I browse/see files online that are included in a .deb package? E.g., I'd like to browse the source of files listed here: http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/rsyslog/filelist. Not yet familiar enough with the Debian site :-/ |
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| 19:34.50 | blubberdiblub | everence, you can install apt-file, then run "apt-file update" to update the file catalog cache and then "apt-file -F list rsyslog" |
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| 19:35.14 | blubberdiblub | everence, if you've already installed rsyslog, you can also just run "dpkg -L rsyslog" |
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| 19:35.59 | everence | blubberdiblub: So no online repository that I can browse source ? |
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| 19:36.24 | blubberdiblub | everence, source? i'm not really sure what you mean, sorry |
| 19:36.30 | yeats | everence: the files themselves aren't available for browsing on the debian site, but you can do it at rsyslog's gitweb site: http://git.adiscon.com/?p=rsyslog.git;a=commit;h=fe8ac119f75bc6d2763896b8e1a85ecfeb41bffb |
| 19:36.47 | yeats | that's for version 5.8.11, which is what sid is using |
| 19:37.18 | everence | blubberdiblub: @ http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/rsyslog/filelist, I want to see the contents of /lib/systemd/system/rsyslog.service, online. |
| 19:37.26 | everence | yeats: ah, thanks,. checking |
| 19:37.30 | Rotaerk | hmm /etc/init.d/hdparm failed with "RAID status not OK", and looking at /proc/mdstat, it appears there is a resync going on |
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| 19:37.50 | Rotaerk | does this mean I can ignore that error and it'll eventually go away when the resync is done? |
| 19:37.59 | Rotaerk | or do I need to do something |
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| 19:38.57 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, was the resync caused by some normal activity? like you've just assembled the array or replaced a failed drive? |
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| 19:40.22 | everence | yeats: Thanks, that's what I needed. |
| 19:40.55 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, and why is hdparm trying to access the raid device anyway? |
| 19:40.57 | Rotaerk | blubberdiblub: well I have two md devices, one of which I formatted today (for /boot), and the other one has a logical volume group on it, and I formatted the two logical volumes within that group |
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| 19:41.56 | Rotaerk | blubberdiblub: it's just how hdparm is writter, I looked through the script and it fails with that error if it sees resync, recover, repair, or check in mdstat |
| 19:41.59 | Rotaerk | written * |
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| 19:42.55 | HenriqueGogs | somebody knows how to install unity (ubuntu interface) on debian? |
| 19:43.13 | dax | you don't, because the ITP for it didn't get off the ground |
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| 19:43.33 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, okay, i see. well, i still don't properly understand your raid setup, but if the resync was caused by normal activity (that is supposed to cause a resync) i wouldn't worry |
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| 19:45.09 | Rotaerk | blubberdiblub: just hoping flashcache didn't cause the resync |
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| 19:45.53 | Rotaerk | md0 is boot, md1 is logical volume group "storage", and storage contains lv's "root" and "home" |
| 19:46.26 | Rotaerk | I have a flashcache device /dev/mapper/cached_md1 that is a cached version of md1 (using a separate SSD for the cache) |
| 19:46.49 | Rotaerk | and then the logical volume "storage" has been redirected to use cached_md1 instead of md1 |
| 19:47.03 | Rotaerk | maybe that caused the resync *shrug* |
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| 19:47.15 | Rotaerk | everything appears to be working regardless |
| 19:47.53 | blubberdiblub | i think you're confusing some terms. and you're also using some techniques i haven't tried yet, so i'm sorry, i can't understand your setup |
| 19:48.08 | Rotaerk | blubberdiblub: which terms do you think I'm confusing? |
| 19:48.19 | Rotaerk | so I can correct them |
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| 19:49.01 | Rotaerk | md1 is logical volume group "storage" -> logical volume group called "storage" is built on md1 |
| 19:49.52 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, md1 is probably a "physical volume", and that physical volume makes up a volume group (leave out the word "logical" there, it's confusing) |
| 19:50.24 | Rotaerk | ah sorry, left out that detail; yes md1 is the single physical volume within a volume group called storage |
| 19:50.51 | Rotaerk | which in turn contains the "root" and "home" LV's |
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| 19:51.32 | Rotaerk | anyway, rebooting |
| 19:51.43 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, and i've got no idea about this caching thing. never done that |
| 19:52.03 | Rotaerk | it's something nevyn suggested; software written by facebook hehe |
| 19:52.24 | Rotaerk | it allows one device (in this case an SSD) to be used as a cache for another device |
| 19:52.54 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, without that caching thing, i would say your md1 shouldn't have triggered a resync under normal circumstances if you were only managing PVs, VGs and LVs on there |
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| 19:53.03 | Rotaerk | ah |
| 19:53.09 | Rotaerk | hmm |
| 19:53.20 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, but with that caching thing, i have no idea whatsoever |
| 19:53.26 | Rotaerk | gonna reenable flashcache and see if another resync starts |
| 19:54.16 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, you will have to let the current resync end first, tho |
| 19:54.35 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, otherwise the resync will always resume after a reboot |
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| 19:55.01 | Rotaerk | blubberdiblub: what if I do something that would normally trigger a new resync, in the middle of another resync |
| 19:55.03 | syntaxx | how to fix this ssh: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgssapi_krb5.so.2: symbol krb5_cc_select, version krb5_3_MIT not defined in file libkrb5.so.3 with link time reference |
| 19:55.30 | blubberdiblub | Rotaerk, i guess it will simply restart the resync |
| 19:56.41 | hellektro | Hello, can anyone recommend me a good ftp client? |
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| 19:58.49 | hellektro | anyone? :( |
| 19:59.02 | blubberdiblub | for console? try lftp |
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| 19:59.17 | hellektro | what about a GUI client? |
| 19:59.42 | blubberdiblub | haven't ever needed one, so sorry, i've got no suggestions for you |
| 20:00.00 | nitrohax | what's a good cli irc client? |
| 20:00.31 | derdon | I've got a ThinkPad L520 and unfortunately, the resolution can only be set to 1024x768 when using the monitor settings of xfce |
| 20:00.33 | blubberdiblub | i've been using lftp, but what's "good" is rather a matter of preference |
| 20:00.39 | lasers | nitrohax: irssi / weechat |
| 20:00.46 | blubberdiblub | oh, irc |
| 20:00.50 | blubberdiblub | sorry, ignore me *g* |
| 20:00.54 | derdon | how can I set the resolution to 1600x700? do I have to edit some xorg.conf file? |
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| 20:01.11 | nitrohax | lasers> which do you prefer? |
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| 20:01.47 | lasers | nitrohax: Unfair question. I'm using irssi and never really gave weechat a try. |
| 20:02.00 | ompaul | !best |
| 20:02.01 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 20:02.03 | derdon | it has more colors! |
| 20:02.09 | nitrohax | lasers> but that's a fair answer. kinda the one i was looking for |
| 20:02.31 | lasers | nitrohax: derdon is right. 256 colors is quite nice. :) |
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| 20:02.55 | nitrohax | so irssi it is |
| 20:03.12 | lasers | (that was for weechat; but yeah, give both a try) |
| 20:03.15 | blubberdiblub | well, you can set all of the 256 colors to the same value, and then decide if it's still nice ;) |
| 20:03.19 | ompaul | !bad poll |
| 20:03.21 | nitrohax | ok |
| 20:03.30 | dax | /set colors off :3 |
| 20:03.33 | ompaul | !bad polls |
| 20:03.34 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian. |
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| 20:03.50 | nitrohax | they stopped putting them in the repos. ugh |
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| 20:07.44 | nitrohax | who would like to walk me thru trying to d/l and install irssi? |
| 20:07.44 | nitrohax | LOL |
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| 20:11.44 | ompaul | nitrohax: what version of debian are you using? |
| 20:11.54 | nitrohax | i'm using debian squeeze cli. |
| 20:11.58 | nitrohax | i had to wget it from site. |
| 20:12.15 | ompaul | ,versions irssi |
| 20:12.16 | judd | Package: irssi on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.15-2; squeeze-backports: 0.8.15-4~bpo60+1; sid: 0.8.15-5; wheezy: 0.8.15-5 |
| 20:12.21 | nitrohax | i've d/l and tar xzvf |
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| 20:12.31 | nitrohax | squeeze 64 |
| 20:12.34 | dax | erm, just apt-get install irssi? |
| 20:12.45 | ompaul | nitrohax: pointless when you can type apt-get update && apt-get install irssi |
| 20:12.54 | nitrohax | ok one sec |
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| 20:13.21 | Max^ | !irssi |
| 20:13.21 | dpkg | somebody said irssi was the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:13.32 | nitrohax | apt-get update && apt-get install irssi |
| 20:13.38 | nitrohax | wrong window |
| 20:13.43 | ompaul | I noticed |
| 20:13.48 | nitrohax | right. |
| 20:13.55 | talishte2 | Lol |
| 20:13.56 | ompaul | I shouldn't |
| 20:14.10 | Max^ | hm |
| 20:14.14 | Max^ | !weechat |
| 20:14.14 | dpkg | WeeChat is a light and extensible cross-platform <IRC> client that promises a lot, and has some unique features like console nick list and horizontally split windows. http://weechat.org/files/doc/weechat_faq.en.html http://weechat.org/ #weechat on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:14.22 | Max^ | ok |
| 20:14.48 | nitrohax | unable to locate package |
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| 20:15.26 | ompaul | nitrohax: please pastebin the in paste.debian.net the following /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:15.54 | ompaul | nitrohax: I am driving away from computers in about 15 minutes for many hours :) |
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| 20:16.33 | Ejdesgaard | Will Wheezy be compatable with i386 or onlt i586+? |
| 20:16.39 | nitrohax | paste.deb... isn't working on sec |
| 20:16.45 | bbqgates | How can I get squeeze to generate an Xorg.conf file? Xorg isn't properly detecting my CRT monitor on S-Video. |
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| 20:16.59 | dvs | ompaul: Don't worry. Skynet will track you down. |
| 20:17.09 | ompaul | dvs: I rely on that |
| 20:17.16 | dvs | heh |
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| 20:17.43 | nitrohax | ompaul> i'm only using the cli. says no flie |
| 20:18.08 | ompaul | nitrohax: you broke your install I'd guess |
| 20:18.14 | ompaul | nitrohax: uname -a |
| 20:18.26 | nitrohax | no |
| 20:18.34 | nitrohax | i see it in the folder |
| 20:18.37 | ompaul | happy days then go away ubuntu user |
| 20:19.04 | ompaul | or else be extremely effective about your uname -a |
| 20:19.15 | ompaul | watches the minutes tick by |
| 20:20.20 | ompaul | !pastebinit |
| 20:20.20 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: squeeze users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 20:20.32 | ompaul | nitrohax: if you can't get the file or data we want ^^^ look at that |
| 20:20.52 | SiDz | hi, how do i get my duid? for ipv6 dhcp |
| 20:21.38 | Dagger2 | it'll be in the lease file, somewhere in... /var/lib/dhcp/, I guess |
| 20:21.50 | Dagger2 | (I'm not using DHCPv6 here, so I can't check) |
| 20:23.26 | nitrohax | lets start simpler. how to add things to the repos since pastebinit isn't showing up either. |
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| 20:23.59 | nitrohax | cd / |
| 20:25.29 | ompaul | nitrohax: what is your uname -a |
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| 20:26.34 | ompaul | nitrohax: just give the numbers sequence out of it 2. or 3. whatever |
| 20:26.53 | dax | so uname -r, then ;) |
| 20:27.01 | nitrohax | linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP sun May ^ 04:00:17 UCT 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:27.03 | ompaul | dax: that's tur |
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| 20:27.14 | queso | When I try running pidgin from the command line I get "Exiting because another libpurple client is already running." How can I figure out what this is? I didn't start anything else myself. |
| 20:27.14 | ompaul | ,kernels |
| 20:27.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 20:27.37 | ompaul | nitrohax: how did you do this install? |
| 20:27.57 | ompaul | nitrohax: no debian box should be without sources - something is very very wrong |
| 20:28.05 | nitrohax | from cd1 non graphic install. then toom out the gui at install options |
| 20:28.22 | nitrohax | i'll just try to reinstall again. it's how one can learn |
| 20:28.25 | ompaul | nitrohax: it should still have repos |
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| 20:28.39 | nitrohax | it had some. but it wasn't showing up with all the ones i'm used to. |
| 20:28.54 | ompaul | nitrohax: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh that does not parse |
| 20:28.55 | nitrohax | could it be because of the 64 bit art? |
| 20:28.59 | ompaul | no |
| 20:29.42 | SiDz | how do i get my duid? |
| 20:29.45 | nitrohax | huh. i'm jsut reinstalling again. maybe i missed something |
| 20:29.54 | ompaul | nitrohax: do it attached to the network |
| 20:30.00 | nitrohax | i did |
| 20:30.05 | ompaul | nitrohax: do it attached to the network again :) |
| 20:30.11 | nitrohax | i am. LOL |
| 20:30.13 | quebre | hi all |
| 20:30.39 | blubberdiblub | queso, you could check what else is installed that depends on libpurple0 and then look for what of those is running |
| 20:30.42 | ompaul | SiDz: give it about 15 minutes between repeats - more people join leave and some even read back scroll |
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| 20:31.08 | bbqgates | Ok well I figured out how to generate an Xorg.conf file in squeeze... -> Xorg -configure |
| 20:31.10 | queso | blubberdiblub: I just installed a basic desktop environment version of wheezy. |
| 20:31.29 | queso | blubberdiblub: how can I check what else depends on libpurple0? |
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| 20:32.05 | blubberdiblub | queso, "apt-cache rdepends libpurple0", but that also shows packages that are not installed and depend on libpurple0 |
| 20:33.11 | queso | blubberdiblub: great, thanks |
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| 20:34.06 | blubberdiblub | queso, you could filter that list for installed packages by something along the lines of: dpkg -l $( apt-cache rdepends libpurple0 | tail -n+3 ) 2>/dev/null | egrep '^i' |
| 20:34.39 | nitrohax | lets see if that fixed my prople |
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| 20:34.45 | queso | blubberdiblub: nice, thank you! |
| 20:34.46 | nitrohax | problem even |
| 20:35.15 | nitrohax | that did it. dont' know what could have gone wrong the first time |
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| 20:35.26 | syntaxx | how to fix this ssh: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgssapi_krb5.so.2: symbol krb5_cc_select, version krb5_3_MIT not defined in file libkrb5.so.3 with link time reference anyone? |
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| 20:38.21 | Cart | Hi guys |
| 20:38.39 | krababbel | where should I look for bugreports about problems with my usb3 harddrive? What package? |
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| 20:39.04 | Cart | So for an official DEBIAN IRC things are looking quite silent |
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| 20:39.19 | krababbel | Cart: it is not official |
| 20:39.28 | nitrohax_ | thank you again ompaul |
| 20:40.27 | nitrohax | well thsi is all new |
| 20:40.31 | Cart | Guys I was hoping someone would please tell me if its possible for my PC running Debian to act as an actual DSL router? I think thats quite exciting to be able to do that. Is it more efficient or not really and can you Log Traffic of all the packets being send and from where etc ? |
| 20:40.34 | Cart | Ohh sorry \ |
| 20:40.42 | Cart | I assumed cause its actually #debian |
| 20:40.44 | imran-uk | hi, cannot get adobe reader 9 to open links in any browser (i have set prefs > internet > browser = "google-chrome") |
| 20:41.02 | krababbel | Cart: this is certainly possible |
| 20:41.16 | Cart | for the channel...im n Noob at Linux but since doing the subject im just Trhilled to learn more about it all |
| 20:41.23 | krababbel | cart what connection do you have pppoe? |
| 20:41.25 | dax | Cart: the official Debian IRC channel is #debian on OFTC |
| 20:41.42 | Cart | Yeas PPPOE |
| 20:41.45 | Cart | on the router |
| 20:42.14 | krababbel | Cart: just install pppoeconf in debian, and of course switch the router to single user mode |
| 20:42.28 | tuvwx | what is the most reliable way/tool to find the fastest debian mirror? |
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| 20:43.36 | Cart | hmm ok single user mode as in Only 1 IP can Access it? |
| 20:43.42 | Cart | or route traffic over it |
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| 20:44.22 | krababbel | Cart: the isp router should only act as a modem, so debian can login using your credentials for the internet connection, the stuff you normally type into the router. |
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| 20:44.59 | Cart | Aahhhh I see..Makes sense since your PC doesnt have the little Phone jack |
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| 20:45.41 | obiwahn | hey - is it nough to unload the wlan module to do power saving? |
| 20:45.47 | obiwahn | or should i use rfkill? |
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| 20:45.55 | Cart | Linux us really exciting O.o Loving it |
| 20:45.56 | krababbel | Cart: this is called bridge mode or half-bridge, not sure. The router should be able to support it of course, otherwise you can route through it 'only' too |
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| 20:46.09 | BetaPinky | :) |
| 20:47.17 | krababbel | Cart: could be your router is locked down and doesn't allow this mode. Another way would be to disable NAT on the router if possible, and do that on debian too, or just let debian route behind NAT of the router and maybe use iptables for a second firewall |
| 20:48.09 | Cart | Well my intentions was to elimnate the router completely but of course 5 minutes into thinking about it I realized that you cant insert the wall phone jack into your PC and your PC doenst have a DSL DeCoder oboard so obv it wont work...The reason I wanted to do this are because I wanted to be able to Shape Traffic from some IPs and give priorities to other IPs |
| 20:48.30 | Cart | Then I realiezd that I could just do that with the Linux Box acting as a Firewall anwyay |
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| 20:48.49 | krababbel | Cart: yes, the first option of just using the modem in your router would be what you could do, or buy a dsl interface :) |
| 20:49.21 | Cart | DSL interface for the PC? Like a PCI card? |
| 20:49.39 | Cart | First Time ive heard of it though but yea sounds great |
| 20:49.48 | Cart | Lightning comes to mind though |
| 20:49.48 | krababbel | Cart: I think there were some to buy, expensive and rare probably |
| 20:50.44 | krababbel | Cart: you could shape the traffic in debian, keeping the router's queues from spilling, yes |
| 20:50.48 | Cart | Ok soo...if I leave the Router acting as the modem and I Route all my Internet traffic through the LinuxBox...will I be able to Throttle IPs and give others Priority? and wil this add Latency? |
| 20:51.30 | Cart | Does it need a large processor? I couldnt imagen it does? |
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| 20:52.42 | krababbel | Cart: incoming tcp traffic could be somewhat throttled, but in a crude way. outgoing traffic can be shaped anyway you'd want. Latency, basically none added, and any desktop cpu would be a little overkill anyway. |
| 20:53.17 | Cart | Thanks allot for the Help karbabbel :) ...One more thing though |
| 20:54.26 | Cart | Could I do the settings in the GUI and when everyting works just shutdown the GUI without actually switching off the PC, Like only then leave it Idle and doing traffic work in Console mode? |
| 20:54.38 | krababbel | cart |
| 20:54.41 | krababbel | sure |
| 20:54.57 | krababbel | iptables runs without any gui, you just need to create the rules |
| 20:55.08 | krababbel | which is a textfile Cart |
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| 20:56.10 | Cart | actually going to Type all the text? is it like n Programming language " C " " C++" etc? |
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| 20:56.34 | Cart | im erally clueless but my goal is to get clued up...and rather fast also |
| 20:56.40 | krababbel | Cart: look here, there are many examples: http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/iptables.html |
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| 20:56.54 | solid_liq | run nmap today, and it'll say "Happy Birthday" to itself |
| 20:57.34 | krababbel | Cart: also http://lartc.org/ |
| 20:57.51 | Cart | awesome youre in Swedin? |
| 20:57.56 | Cart | The true home of Linux |
| 20:58.27 | krababbel | nope |
| 20:58.31 | dax | blinks |
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| 20:58.45 | dax | dare I ask why Finland isn't the true home of Linux? |
| 20:59.23 | Cart | :? |
| 20:59.24 | Cart | Isnt Helsinki in Sweden> |
| 20:59.27 | dax | no |
| 20:59.28 | Cart | my bad :( |
| 21:00.27 | Cart | Finland...my bad |
| 21:00.36 | Cart | Thanks Krababbel |
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| 21:03.28 | imran-uk | Cart, you could try a router/firewall oriented distro like smoothwall express http://smoothwall.org |
| 21:03.56 | imran-uk | if you want to get going quickly |
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| 21:18.07 | daweefolk | I'm using windowmaker, how can I change the keymap? |
| 21:18.18 | obiwahn | lol |
| 21:18.26 | obiwahn | good old gnustep:P |
| 21:18.31 | daweefolk | lol |
| 21:18.39 | obiwahn | Xorg.conf |
| 21:18.53 | daweefolk | in /etc/X11? |
| 21:18.59 | obiwahn | oder .xmodpmaprc |
| 21:19.06 | krababbel | np Cart :) |
| 21:19.08 | obiwahn | s/oder/or/ |
| 21:19.13 | daweefolk | lol |
| 21:19.22 | krababbel | Cart: there is also vyatta |
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| 21:20.12 | daweefolk | Do I have to createe xorg.conf? It's not there right now |
| 21:20.23 | krababbel | xbindkeys daweefolk |
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| 21:20.38 | obiwahn | i guess you do not need a full config |
| 21:20.41 | obiwahn | waht do you want? |
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| 21:21.00 | daweefolk | haha just wanted a dvorak setup :) |
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| 21:22.34 | etisfo | Hi, how do I setup chrooted SSH users (restrict to certain directorys) |
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| 21:25.08 | somiaj | setxkbmap may be what you need daweefolk |
| 21:25.24 | daweefolk | I'll try that, somiaj |
| 21:25.25 | somiaj | daweefolk: read the man page, figure out how to change your keymap. Once you find the right command add it to windowmakers start function |
| 21:25.34 | daweefolk | thanks |
| 21:26.06 | obiwahn | is paste.debian.net down? |
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| 21:27.33 | obiwahn | daweefolk: http://paste.org/53584 or something like that |
| 21:28.08 | obiwahn | the setxkbmap could go into .xinitrc |
| 21:28.17 | obiwahn | but i am not sure if wmaker respects that |
| 21:28.26 | obiwahn | or put it in autostart |
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| 21:29.43 | somiaj | it doesn't matter if wm respect .xinitrc or not, it matters how he starts his xsession. On debian if he is using a display manager, he should use .xsession instead as the dm's Xsession looks for that file and not .xinitrc |
| 21:29.59 | somiaj | also daweefolk should look into loadkeys if he wants to change his console keymap |
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| 21:34.47 | obiwahn | wtf who uses a display manager:P |
| 21:35.07 | obiwahn | or network-manager those ppl must be insane:) |
| 21:36.03 | obiwahn | network-manager messes on bbot macchanger up:( |
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| 21:39.25 | somiaj | I like slim on my laptop, but use startx on my desktop. It is nice not having to have a console open to be in X is the main reason I like slim. |
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| 21:39.45 | somiaj | well a console login() |
| 21:40.19 | lasers | I like nodm. |
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| 21:42.55 | obiwahn | somiaj: is slim a wm? |
| 21:43.28 | somiaj | obiwahn: a display manager |
| 21:43.46 | obiwahn | ah ok something like wdm gdm lightdm etc |
| 21:43.49 | obiwahn | :) |
| 21:43.59 | obiwahn | looks nice |
| 21:44.26 | obiwahn | i have a bundel of scripts so i can easly open several x sessions for the same or different user |
| 21:44.55 | obiwahn | that is quite good if you want to use valgrind on the wm |
| 21:46.04 | obiwahn | at least if it is a case that does not work with Xephyr |
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| 21:48.45 | sanitypassing | so, uh, my ntfs drive crapped out |
| 21:48.50 | sanitypassing | I don't know what's wrong with it |
| 21:48.55 | krababbel | use windows |
| 21:49.04 | sanitypassing | ntfsfix can't even detect the damn thing, and the Disk Utility isn't telling me anything useful |
| 21:49.12 | sanitypassing | I don't have Windows. |
| 21:49.29 | obiwahn | smartctl |
| 21:50.00 | obiwahn | apt-get install smartmontools |
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| 21:50.32 | sanitypassing | installing... |
| 21:50.52 | obiwahn | smartctl -a /dev/XXX | less |
| 21:50.57 | krababbel | sanitypassing: did you try testdisk/ |
| 21:51.23 | sanitypassing | obiwahn: I installed that, but it keeps telling me it cna't find it. |
| 21:51.44 | obiwahn | ok XXX must be relpaced by your device |
| 21:51.53 | obiwahn | replaced |
| 21:51.55 | sanitypassing | no, it's telling me it can't find the program |
| 21:52.08 | obiwahn | you need to be root |
| 21:52.19 | sanitypassing | I see. |
| 21:53.17 | obiwahn | and try testdisk as krababbel suggested if the disk seems to be ok |
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| 21:53.30 | sanitypassing | smartctl isn't really giving me anything |
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| 21:54.30 | obiwahn | you did use the -a? |
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| 21:54.42 | sanitypassing | Yeah |
| 21:54.47 | obiwahn | maybe smart is not enabled or supported by the disk |
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| 21:55.02 | sanitypassing | smart status works on the disk |
| 21:55.23 | sanitypassing | disk utility can't pull it up eiter |
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| 21:55.53 | sanitypassing | hmm, it can't even detect the partition scheme. |
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| 21:56.20 | obiwahn | smartctl -s on /dev/foo/bar |
| 21:56.39 | palok | hi there; i just tried to use a newer, less bloated sources.list than I had before. But when I do apt-get update, it still try to access the OLD repositories ! Where are the old repositories stored ? How can I stop this and only use the newer ones ? Thanks |
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| 21:57.07 | sanitypassing | that didn't work. |
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| 21:58.13 | obiwahn | palok: you are sure you have saved the file? |
| 21:58.41 | obiwahn | paste the sources.list and the apt-get output |
| 21:58.42 | palok | obiwahn, yes of course, and I have rebooted; I'm trying to update from an older distro to testing |
| 21:58.57 | obiwahn | very old? |
| 21:59.00 | palok | not that old |
| 21:59.10 | palok | maybe one year |
| 21:59.14 | obiwahn | i had something like that some time (mabe years ago) |
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| 21:59.31 | obiwahn | there was something like sources.list and sources.list.real |
| 21:59.44 | obiwahn | and everything was really broken:P |
| 22:00.25 | palok | obiwahn, http://pastebin.com/XXbmTvDu |
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| 22:01.08 | obiwahn | does apt-get clean help? |
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| 22:01.53 | palok | not really; and when I do dist-upgrade, it wants to remove gnome... I can bear with some packages disappearing, but not gnome :) |
| 22:02.03 | lasers | palok: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 22:02.16 | obiwahn | the sourcelist looks anyways really messed up |
| 22:02.30 | palok | Hmm, I just corrected something, replaced Sid with sid... trying again |
| 22:02.34 | sanitypassing | ok, testdisk. It's telling me to select a partition table type. Which one should I use? |
| 22:02.40 | obiwahn | use the following entry only |
| 22:02.43 | lasers | There are no sid-updates. You made that up? |
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| 22:02.45 | obiwahn | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main non-free contrib |
| 22:02.52 | palok | lasers, nice find, the google repositories are there |
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| 22:03.09 | palok | lasers, I used an online "sources.list generator" |
| 22:03.14 | davexunit | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia causes my system to crash on testing. I want to downgrade to the version on squeeze that worked fine for me but I keep screwing it up since there are a bunch of related packages. |
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| 22:03.18 | obiwahn | you can use the same for deb-src |
| 22:03.19 | palok | lasers, I assumed it knew what it was doing more than I do |
| 22:03.39 | lasers | palok: Why are you using online sources.list generator? |
| 22:03.56 | palok | lasers, because I found that my old sources.list was more messed up, and I wanted a "fresh start" |
| 22:04.05 | lasers | Might as well add a src linking to malware packages. |
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| 22:04.41 | palok | lasers, I checked the URLs (hostnames), plus I usually don't install unsigned packages unless I know why they are not signed |
| 22:04.55 | nv | any one know why an ADI SoundMax audio device isnt working? I hear many people successfully running deb on a ThinkPad R32 and an Evo n610c with sound working. both laptops have the same chip (SoundMax), both laptops have no sound (checked alsa mixer) |
| 22:04.55 | palok | but you're right, better be careful |
| 22:04.58 | Dan39 | o_O |
| 22:05.07 | palok | lasers, now i'm trying to figure out why apt-get dist-upgrade whants to remove gnolme |
| 22:05.08 | Dan39 | lasers... |
| 22:05.17 | Dan39 | lidar, is that you!? <_< |
| 22:05.25 | Dan39 | lol |
| 22:05.26 | lasers | Dan39: OMG. Yes it is... No, it isn't. Sorry. |
| 22:05.53 | Dan39 | o wait he was on the other distro channel |
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| 22:06.05 | Dan39 | lidar as in radar laser hehe |
| 22:06.22 | Dan39 | continue... sorry to interrupt :| |
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| 22:06.36 | lasers | palok: Clean installation is not an option? |
| 22:06.43 | aicasn | hi all. i'm sending a drive back to WD for warranty replacement. I want to wipe it first. The drive has many, many bad sectors on it. I'm doing "ddrescue -nv --force --direct /dev/sdc /dev/null sdc.log" to generate the logfile then "ddrescue -nv --force --direct --fill=+ /dev/random /dev/sdc sdc.log" to fill good sectors with garbage. Is that a decent way or am I wasting my time? |
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| 22:07.03 | palok | lasers, it definitely is; aptitude suggested a cleaner solution, so i'm going to try to upgrade with aptitude, and if it fails i'll reinstall |
| 22:07.11 | palok | thanks for your help guys :) |
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| 22:07.21 | nv | better than secure erase |
| 22:07.23 | Dan39 | aicasn: just take a big magnet to it :| |
| 22:07.29 | palok | at least I learned about that sources.list.d directory |
| 22:07.35 | bolly | What is being done here? :| |
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| 22:08.19 | aicasn | right now, the first pass with ddrescue (create logfile) is taking forever. several hours in and only at about 15GB / 1TB |
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| 22:10.12 | Dan39 | wow |
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| 22:11.48 | bolly | What is being done here pls? |
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| 22:12.15 | alesan | hi, I did by mistake a rm /usr/lib/*.so. What is the recommended way to fix it? |
| 22:12.27 | alesan | the system is more or less functional, apt-get seems to have no problems |
| 22:12.41 | helecho | I want to use a hotkey to easily switch between two keyboard layouts, Using Squeeze, Gnome 2.30.2. KB Layout Options lets me set Keys To Change Layout, but the key combo I set doesn´t change the layouts |
| 22:12.51 | somiaj | alesan: you can reinstall packages with apt-get |
| 22:13.00 | Dan39 | bolly: nothing is being done, people are asking for debian support |
| 22:13.14 | alesan | somiaj, is that a question? |
| 22:13.16 | obiwahn | alesan: you could try apt-get install --reinstall |
| 22:13.21 | Dan39 | alesan: reinstall everything D: |
| 22:13.22 | davexunit | has anyone been able to downgrade nvidia-glx from the version available in testing to the version in stable? I just can't see to do it properly. |
| 22:13.30 | obiwahn | but i am not sure ti that works |
| 22:13.30 | alesan | obiwahn, without further arguments? |
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| 22:13.36 | boboy77b | http://www.reddit.com/r/pornvids/comments/z6ypg/tera_patrick_hot_lesbians_on_the_beach/ |
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| 22:13.38 | obiwahn | the pacakges you need |
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| 22:13.54 | obiwahn | like libc and the important stuff |
| 22:14.06 | alesan | so far I did binutils |
| 22:14.13 | obiwahn | laster the whole system |
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| 22:14.22 | bolly | Dan39: ...and what's Debian support? what is it all about? :) |
| 22:14.32 | somiaj | alesan: no that is a suggestion to fix it, you can use dpkg -S /usr/lib/\*.so to get the package name of every pakage that had a file removed |
| 22:14.41 | Dan39 | somebody kick bolly <_< |
| 22:14.48 | obiwahn | and use debsums - i am not sure if it reports missing files ... |
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| 22:15.04 | obiwahn | well it is a change to the file so it could/should |
| 22:15.16 | somiaj | that will actually get thigns like /usr/lib/foo/lib.so too though, which is more than you delted, can't think of a nicer way to just find packages that contain files you could have delted |
| 22:15.33 | somiaj | (also unsure if links are inclued in the package or created by the postinst script) |
| 22:15.39 | alesan | somiaj, how can I get a list of the installed packages in this instant? |
| 22:15.51 | obiwahn | dpkg -l |
| 22:15.51 | dpkg | Files in package obiwahn-pr0n: /srv/obiwahn-pr0n/obiwahn.jpg |
| 22:15.55 | Mysterytrain | hmm. not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes anyway. is there a way to use sed or some similar tool to render a group of text files in such a way that each line length is xx characters without breaking words apart? Or would I have to write my own tool to do that. |
| 22:16.00 | alesan | somiaj, your command gives me an absurd list, too much stuff |
| 22:16.04 | somiaj | alesan: dpkg -l or aptitude search ~i |
| 22:16.06 | bolly | Dan39: Oh,is that the way it is here? people kick people out,because of just a question. I'm new on Debian chat |
| 22:16.30 | Dan39 | bolly: obviously it is not, since you are still here. right? |
| 22:16.38 | lasers | alesan: "sudo aptitude reinstall ~i" might work |
| 22:16.47 | somiaj | alesan: yea it will report packages multiple times, you'll have to take that list I gave you and get unique instaces of packages. |
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| 22:16.57 | Dan39 | '~i' might help, i hope ~ doesnt become /root haha |
| 22:17.04 | bolly | Dan39: lol,yeah,right |
| 22:17.09 | obiwahn | apt-get install --reinstall "$(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}')" |
| 22:17.20 | Dan39 | aptitude reinstall '~i' |
| 22:17.51 | somiaj | of course just reinstalling everything vs narrowign down the list will work fine if you don't want to figure out how to make a smaller list |
| 22:18.03 | Dan39 | i guess so |
| 22:18.10 | obiwahn | debsums |
| 22:18.10 | helecho | rephrasing question: How can I rapdily change between two keyboard layouts with minimal effort, using Debian Squeeze and Gnome 2.3 |
| 22:18.12 | bolly | Dan39: I should leave,I don't know anything about this,lol |
| 22:18.35 | Dan39 | bolly: do you know what debian is? |
| 22:18.39 | obiwahn | but maybe you would spent morte time scripting than the downloading needs |
| 22:18.42 | lasers | somiaj: ... "sudo aptitude reinstall ~ilib" ? |
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| 22:19.07 | obiwahn | no |
| 22:19.28 | bolly | Dan39: No |
| 22:19.45 | obiwahn | ah |
| 22:19.49 | obiwahn | antoher idea |
| 22:19.50 | Dan39 | bolly: linux? |
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| 22:20.11 | somiaj | lasers: ahh that would be a smaller list, though I think you need ~i~slibs |
| 22:20.37 | bolly | Dan39: What do you mean? |
| 22:20.39 | obiwahn | you could use apt-file so search for files in /usr/lib only |
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| 22:21.08 | lasers | somiaj: I need aptitude manual for ~s. :P |
| 22:21.23 | somiaj | obiwahn: that was my suggestion with dpkg -S /usr/lib/*.so -- but you will have to thin the list down by removing duplicate enteries |
| 22:21.31 | somiaj | lasers: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 22:22.17 | lasers | somiaj: Ah very nice. :) |
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| 22:23.17 | bolly | Dan39: Hmm, is there any room where you chat with friends? |
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| 22:23.35 | Dan39 | yea... /join #2,000 |
| 22:24.11 | bolly | ok |
| 22:24.40 | Dan39 | >_> |
| 22:24.53 | bolly | Dan39: It's an illegal chat name,it didn't open |
| 22:25.02 | Dan39 | lol |
| 22:25.41 | obiwahn | somiaj: mh build somthing with comm |
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| 22:26.05 | bolly | but,why? |
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| 22:26.14 | nitrohax | How do you change the screen size/resolution on the command line |
| 22:26.18 | obiwahn | i think id go for a complete reinstall - with a decent line it should not take too long |
| 22:26.36 | obiwahn | nitrohax: take a look at /etc/default/grub |
| 22:27.05 | obiwahn | GRUB_GFXMODE= and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX are your friends |
| 22:27.10 | oskie | does anyone else have problems with dyndns? |
| 22:27.20 | nv | why no sound if alsa not muted or turned down |
| 22:27.23 | nv | ? |
| 22:27.25 | obiwahn | oskie: works fine |
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| 22:27.50 | jhutchins_lt | oskie: Only that I can't do any free domains any more. |
| 22:27.54 | oskie | obiwahn: strange..for me it doesn't. I can't resolve mine.nu or even dynstatus.com/status.dyn.com |
| 22:27.56 | obiwahn | nv: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 22:28.03 | nitrohax | obiwahn: i looked at it. i see where it says 640x480. but it won't let me save the changes |
| 22:28.10 | oskie | jhutchins_lt: so it's no longer free!? |
| 22:28.16 | jhutchins_lt | nv: Why no light if lamp is turned off? |
| 22:28.22 | obiwahn | nitrohax: you need to be root to change that |
| 22:28.43 | nitrohax | i was root. total root and used nano. |
| 22:28.52 | jhutchins_lt | oskie: Other people have told me they still have free access. |
| 22:29.02 | obiwahn | maybe your root is mounted ro |
| 22:29.11 | obiwahn | check your mtab |
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| 22:29.29 | bolly | bye |
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| 22:30.42 | nitrohax | brb i think i might have gotten it this time |
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| 22:32.51 | obiwahn | hope he changed GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX :P |
| 22:33.46 | jhutchins_lt | Somebody really messed up the clementine dependencies on squeeze. It wants dosfstools, hdparm, and ntfs support. |
| 22:33.52 | obiwahn | and used grub-update:P |
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| 22:34.25 | oskie | someone has hijacked the mine.nu domain from here |
| 22:35.24 | obiwahn | ? |
| 22:35.56 | oskie | yes, NS for mine.nu points at strange servers at my ISPs DNS servers... and it is no small ISP |
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| 22:36.19 | obiwahn | try 8.8.8.8 |
| 22:36.27 | obiwahn | that is a gogole nameserver |
| 22:36.28 | RagingSoHard | Tjat |
| 22:36.32 | RagingSoHard | err yeah that's google |
| 22:36.33 | obiwahn | easy to remember |
| 22:36.41 | RagingSoHard | 8.8.4.4 is too I believe |
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| 22:37.10 | oskie | well, try 'dig mine.nu NS @8.8.8.8' ... I get no response |
| 22:37.27 | oskie | clearly something must be wrong with mine.nu and dyndns |
| 22:37.41 | obiwahn | dig +short hrhrhrhr |
| 22:38.36 | obiwahn | feels ashamed |
| 22:38.51 | jhutchins_lt | oskie: Looks like sedo.de is the DNS for it. |
| 22:39.28 | jhutchins_lt | oskie: That's who it's registered to as well. |
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| 22:40.19 | nitrohax | ok that didn't work etiher |
| 22:40.44 | jhutchins_lt | oskie: Unless you get sedo to point to dyndns for the DNS records it's not gonna work. |
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| 22:41.47 | oskie | jhutchins_lt: for mine.nu? then something's clearly wrong... whois.nic.nu says that ns{1,2,3,4,5}.dyndns.org should be name servers |
| 22:41.49 | nitrohax | obiwahn: i edited the grub and uncommented. but it's still not the full screen. what else is there to do? |
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| 22:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | oskie: It's not registered to you, it's registered to sedo. |
| 22:44.34 | oskie | jhutchins_lt: it shouldn't be registered to me! it used to be a free dynamic DNS server, most likely with millions of registered names |
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| 22:44.57 | oskie | dynamic DNS service, not server :) |
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| 22:45.13 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, ok, it could still be that. |
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| 22:47.15 | jhutchins_lt | oskie: Nope, http only. |
| 22:48.05 | jhutchins_lt | It's been hijacked. |
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| 22:48.57 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like sedo are domain speculators, grabbed an expired expiration or something. |
| 22:50.15 | jhutchins_lt | expired registration |
| 22:51.22 | jhutchins_lt | nitrohax: Which file did you edit? |
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| 22:54.49 | nv | any one have experience with ecarts? thinking of bring my website in house |
| 22:55.17 | obiwahn | could someboy please tell nitrohax to look at GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX |
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| 22:55.27 | obiwahn | and to update grub |
| 22:55.47 | obiwahn | or dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc |
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| 22:56.10 | obiwahn | nv: jhutchins_lt please tell him .. i am off |
| 22:56.30 | nv | k |
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| 23:07.19 | joar_ | hey guys, suddenly my screen resolution changed to 640px and I can't change it back. |
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| 23:13.15 | jhutchins_lt | nv: You have to be PCI compliant if you take credit cards. |
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| 23:14.19 | jhutchins_lt | Joah: What did you change? |
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| 23:15.03 | Joah | jhutchins_lt: tab fail |
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| 23:33.55 | itchi | Hi, someone know what package i should install to get that "cc" manual (man cc)? |
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| 23:39.38 | qw12 | i always had problem with enfcs |
| 23:39.43 | qw12 | somehow the password stops working |
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| 23:53.46 | MoTec | Anyone seen a document on how to jail some users to their home directory for sftp? |
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| 23:55.13 | lidar | MoTec: thisone http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 23:56.04 | MoTec | lidar: thank you |
| 23:56.11 | MoTec | looks like exactly what i'm looking for |
| 23:58.45 | lidar | dont thank me thank larry page for wonderful google |
| 23:59.32 | MoTec | heh, thanks for not making it a lmgtfy link, then :) |
