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| 00:01.28 | nycjv321 | is there a package for truecrypt on debian squeeze? |
| 00:01.39 | Lasall | no |
| 00:01.57 | nycjv321 | ok... (why?) what is the reccomended way of installing it then? |
| 00:02.29 | Lasall | you can install it from sourcecode or use the installer from the truecrypt homepage |
| 00:02.29 | boudiccas | nycjv321: get the package from their website and then just install it. it works on squeeze and wheeezy |
| 00:02.55 | nycjv321 | won't that break any other packages? And isn't that bad practice? |
| 00:03.05 | boudiccas | nycjv321: no, and no |
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| 00:04.05 | dvs | waits for abrotman |
| 00:04.17 | nycjv321 | okay so why isn't there a package? (just curious) if anyone knows? |
| 00:04.21 | boudiccas | nycjv321: i ran it on squeeze and m running it now on wheezy |
| 00:04.44 | JyZyXEL | nycjv321: because its proprietary license |
| 00:05.09 | nycjv321 | ah ok |
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| 00:05.47 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:06.06 | abrotman | that is bad practice .. but oh well |
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| 00:13.15 | nycjv321 | is there a package for 7zfm? |
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| 00:15.01 | abrotman | nycjv321: do you know how to search for packages? |
| 00:16.03 | Devastator | well, let's hope i don't screw backup partition hehe |
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| 01:27.54 | givealittle | can anyone tell me why I can't add a permanent security exception to iceweasel for a self signed cert? I click the button but it does nothing, if I take the check for "permanent" the button works. |
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| 01:28.30 | givealittle | it's the "confirm" button on the cert window |
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| 01:54.22 | qw12 | how can i compare a date (of format 2012-9-2) in bash to see if its same as today's date ? or yesterday's date ? |
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| 01:54.49 | blackshirt | hello |
| 01:55.14 | blackshirt | what is the crucial parts if we want to setup postfix using ldap as a backend ?? |
| 01:55.41 | abrotman | i'm sure there's a lovely doc at the postfix.org website |
| 01:56.18 | civillian | qw12: the date command can be used to tell you the day in most formats |
| 01:56.28 | blackshirt | abrotman, thanks you ... maybe I need help on debian system |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | i'm aware of that .. but #postfix is probably still a better place to ask for a HOWTO like that |
| 01:57.47 | wolfric | so i have this hard drive that has debian squeeze on it with grub |
| 01:58.02 | blackshirt | thanks again abrotman, I would try to join that channel |
| 01:58.06 | givealittle | why is debian-next invite only? |
| 01:58.26 | wolfric | i've been plugging it into random pcs, all worked so far until this particular one which stops on the grub> prompt... the root is selected however when i try do kernel /boot/imagename it says unknown command kernel |
| 01:58.31 | civillian | qw12: eg to display tomorrows 'date' use: date --date '1 day' |
| 01:58.36 | wolfric | i thought i'd ask here first and then grub, any suggestions? |
| 01:58.50 | wolfric | when i do k<tab>, kernel isn't an option o.O |
| 01:58.53 | dax | givealittle: because it's on OFTC, not freenode |
| 01:58.54 | qw12 | civillian: ok, thanks |
| 02:00.02 | qw12 | civillian: how to print last line of file using sed or some othe rway ? |
| 02:00.03 | blackshirt | nothing answer from #postfix |
| 02:00.40 | civillian | qw12: tail -1 /var/log/syslog |
| 02:00.54 | givealittle | dax, ah, missed that part. thanks |
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| 02:02.06 | abrotman | givealittle: irc.oftc.net |
| 02:02.32 | abrotman | blackshirt: be patient .. i've gotten very good help there, also check their website |
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| 02:04.49 | blackshirt | abrotman: okay |
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| 02:20.43 | timva2005 | squeeze |
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| 02:23.59 | timva2005 | If I choose to install squeeze over my sarge, will I have to wipe out my entire drive first, or can I just simply install over it? |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | you can upgrade from sarge to lenny to squeeze, or reinstall |
| 02:24.31 | blackshirt | I think maybe better doing some fresh install |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | sorry, sarge->etch->lenny->squeeze |
| 02:25.10 | timva2005 | someone on here said it is quicker to just install squeee fresh. |
| 02:25.15 | blackshirt | abrotman, is it possible to do some upgrade from sarge to squeeze directly ? |
| 02:25.22 | tharkun | timva2005: that was me ;P |
| 02:25.26 | timva2005 | blackshirt, apparently not |
| 02:25.35 | timva2005 | tharkun, yes it was you :) |
| 02:25.51 | blackshirt | timva2005: why ? |
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| 02:26.10 | tharkun | timva2005: well I also stated that there were other ways to cut time to a minimum |
| 02:26.20 | timva2005 | it has been a LONG time since I installed woody from scratch--rootdisk, blah blah... a lot of steps. Is it the same if i do a fresh install of squeeze? |
| 02:28.08 | timva2005 | tharkun, yeah you said uninstall packages I dont need or sometning. Ideally, i want to keep EVERYTHING--just that I want everything upgraded to the latest respectively. |
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| 02:31.43 | timva2005 | hmm so quiet? |
| 02:31.51 | tharkun | timva2005: skiping unneeded releases of download has been a good choice to save downloadtime. Specially when you have a lousy connection |
| 02:32.09 | timva2005 | my connection is good |
| 02:32.19 | timva2005 | so that's not an issue. Cox rocks :-) |
| 02:33.07 | abrotman | blackshirt: possible, maybe .. good idea, heck no |
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| 02:33.39 | abrotman | skipping releases is not recommended in any way |
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| 02:34.57 | darkham | where is possible to install xfce 4.10 ? |
| 02:36.02 | abrotman | darkham: 4.10 is only in experimental |
| 02:37.21 | darkham | abrotman, tell me if i'm wrong, i take a look in the experimental package list, and i look that 4.10 packages for xfce are a very small number |
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| 02:38.13 | abrotman | i don't use xfce .. no idea |
| 02:38.29 | dax | well yes, "experimental" doesn't really call to mind images of completed projects |
| 02:38.49 | dax | that said, a good chunk of it looks to be there, from what I'm seeing |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | or quality packages |
| 02:39.03 | dax | indeed |
| 02:39.28 | dax | does use xfce, will be sticking to 4.8 thank you very much |
| 02:42.51 | aicasn | really likes xfce 4.8 |
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| 03:04.41 | Malf | Anyone bothered with an upgrade from stable to testing recently? I'm wondering how safe/stable I should expect that to be around now with a relatively vanilla desktop system |
| 03:05.11 | jpinx | darkham: maybe try it in a vm - you might have to run sid ;) |
| 03:05.36 | darkham | jpinx, i'm running aptosid |
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| 03:05.47 | abrotman | darkham: they have their own support channel, this isn't it |
| 03:06.09 | jpinx | darkskiez: that's not debian ;) |
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| 03:06.38 | jpinx | Oops sorr darkskiez that was for darkham |
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| 03:06.44 | abrotman | Malf: i've been using it for awhile, i have two minor issues that i need to track down, but otherwise, it's pretty stable |
| 03:07.05 | darkham | yes abrotman , i'm asking here because after a try , i would use a debian with the latest xfce |
| 03:07.43 | jpinx | Malf: Malf depends on your reasons for upgrading to a release which is not fully supported yet (security-wise) |
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| 03:09.45 | Malf | Yeah I'm still on the fence. I ran testing for years but finally settled into stable because I got lazy and didn't want to fight with those minor issues as they came up. Recently I ran into a handful of packages I was interested in upgrading so it made me think about moving over to testing again rather than pulling from backports or pinning something from testing or whatever. |
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| 03:10.41 | Malf | at the end of the day I don't have a compelling reason to do the upgrade except for the fun of it |
| 03:11.00 | darkham | abrotman, i'm not asking for aptosid help := |
| 03:11.03 | darkham | :) |
| 03:11.17 | jpinx | darkham: install Malf I run stable with backports and no issues with updates and security |
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| 03:12.56 | Malf | yeah I'm probably better off just pulling from backports and for some of the weird ones (like wine) maybe installing a newer version via pinning or pulling in a manual copy for now |
| 03:13.01 | jpinx | kbd delay in ssh over gprs id dire - sorry |
| 03:13.16 | Malf | er via temporarily pulling some stuff from testing (not pinning) |
| 03:13.33 | jpinx | Malf: maybe run windows in a vm? |
| 03:13.43 | Malf | yeah |
| 03:13.49 | Malf | actually I do have a windows vm |
| 03:14.05 | Malf | just haven't brought it up in a while |
| 03:14.17 | Malf | but yeah I think you've all helped me talk myself out of an unnecessary upgrade |
| 03:14.17 | jpinx | Malf I have squeeze and XP dual boot with the physical XP available in a vm |
| 03:14.20 | Malf | thanks all |
| 03:14.29 | Malf | *nod* |
| 03:14.47 | Malf | I think I can dual boot to win 7 but yeah otherwise I'm squeeze with XP in a vm |
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| 03:15.45 | jpinx | from reading about the issues when I was setting up my own XP, W7 sounds like a royal pita to run ina vm |
| 03:16.23 | jpinx | Malf: the only reason people appear to run W* is for gaming... |
| 03:16.43 | jpinx | otherwisre W* in a vm is good enough |
| 03:16.55 | Malf | yeah I haven't tried putting 7 in a VM |
| 03:17.02 | jagginess | pff |
| 03:17.10 | jagginess | jpinx, #linux-gaming |
| 03:17.12 | jagginess | lol |
| 03:17.15 | Malf | I keep that stuff around for companies that send me resume-related junk |
| 03:17.56 | Malf | since the VM doesn't have whatever versions of Word working in it appropriately |
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| 03:18.06 | jpinx | jagginess: personally I don't do gaming -- so I can't comment further ;) |
| 03:18.28 | Malf | but even then the VM works most of the time |
| 03:18.36 | Malf | hence me being unsure what version of Windows I can dual boot to |
| 03:18.45 | jpinx | Malf: not sure why that should happen -- what vm software are you using? |
| 03:18.52 | Malf | not a VM problem |
| 03:18.53 | jagginess | jpinx, sure you can, tell people to check out desura, hopefully that can compete against valve, -- i checked it out though, but i'm not totally impressed for the games on linux |
| 03:18.57 | jagginess | :) |
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| 03:19.11 | Malf | it's just a matter of what's installed in the actual OS versus the VM |
| 03:19.19 | jagginess | valve has yet to be released for linux, desura is very easy to install on linux |
| 03:19.34 | jagginess | (no wine) |
| 03:19.37 | Malf | and I'm too lazy to fight with an XP install to get office stuff displaying/working as I wish |
| 03:19.54 | jpinx | Malf: if your using vbox - there's good support in irc ;) |
| 03:19.58 | Malf | yeah |
| 03:20.02 | Malf | I am using vbox |
| 03:20.06 | Malf | and vbox itself is fine |
| 03:20.34 | Malf | it's more about difficulties I have in Windows itself, unrelated to the VM software |
| 03:21.28 | jpinx | Ah -- ok ;) run your XP natively and sort out the issues, then access it through the vm ;) |
| 03:21.47 | Cecilou63 | Voilà une question que se posent bon nombre d'utilisateurs de Facebook : comment faire pour savoir quelles sont les personnes - amies ou non - qui consultent ou regardent mon profil ou mon journal Facebook, mon mur, ma liste d'amis ou mes photos ? |
| 03:21.51 | Cecilou63 | http://facemoi.sytes.net |
| 03:21.53 | Malf | IIRC office 2007 docs display properly in the XP VM but 2010+ stuff fails but that seems to work okay in the win 7 native boot |
| 03:21.55 | jpinx | !fr |
| 03:21.55 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 03:22.32 | Malf | either way I'm not worried about it |
| 03:22.47 | Malf | only the rare occasion I need to boot I will but it's not even a yearly occurrence so |
| 03:22.51 | jpinx | Malf: I confess to coming out in a rash when confronted with MS Office of any version ;) |
| 03:22.57 | Malf | yeah same |
| 03:23.16 | Malf | Always displeased when a company wants me to fill out a Word doc as part of a job application process |
| 03:23.17 | jpinx | Malf: most of what I do see seems to work in OOo |
| 03:23.30 | Malf | yeah it usually works but often I find it looks funny when it gets back into office |
| 03:23.53 | Malf | at least with the people sending me the latest word stuff that they hacked together into whatever crazy format they could imagine |
| 03:24.13 | jpinx | Malf: I refuse to comply and fill in such forms in OOo and append a little note about ope-source software ;) |
| 03:24.18 | Malf | probably building in the wrong way in MS Office to begin with |
| 03:24.21 | Malf | hah yeah |
| 03:24.27 | Malf | that's certainly one tactic |
| 03:24.46 | Malf | send them a reply nicely formatted in TeX |
| 03:24.57 | jpinx | Malf: but my life's work does not depend on success, so I can take a few hits ;) |
| 03:25.01 | Malf | heh |
| 03:25.05 | Malf | yeah |
| 03:25.46 | jpinx | Malf: we're a bit o-t in here, but just a final note - did you try google-docs? |
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| 03:26.14 | jpinx | Malf - otherwise we can continue in #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:27.28 | sifu__ | hi |
| 03:27.41 | Malf | Yeah we are a bit off topic so we'll end it here. I've tried Google docs and had similarly mixed results. Sometimes Google docs does the job, other times OOo does the job, other times they both fail (usually because the document I've been sent is constructed poorly to begin with) |
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| 03:36.31 | ivo888 | hi, how can i change my resolution (on laptop) to 1280X800. In monitor settings give me 1024X768 and no more |
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| 03:38.33 | blackshirt | hello, I need a problem |
| 03:38.43 | blackshirt | I mean, I have a problem |
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| 03:39.13 | jagginess | blackshirt, I have a bigger problem. YOU! LOL. |
| 03:40.41 | phunyguy | OK, I am trying to run a windows CLI app via wine, and I am having a serious issue with it. I can "wine notepad" until I am blue in the face, and that works, but when running the 3rd party app, I get errors about not being able to load a DLL that included wiht the app. |
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| 03:41.14 | phunyguy | if I try to register another DLL, it doesnt work either |
| 03:42.04 | phunyguy | wait, ack.... wine 1.0.1 ?!?!? |
| 03:42.56 | somiaj | yes that is the version in stable. |
| 03:42.58 | somiaj | ,versions wine |
| 03:42.59 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-1; sid: 1.4.1-2 |
| 03:43.09 | somiaj | ,check-backport wine |
| 03:43.11 | judd | Backporting package wine in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual. |
| 03:43.41 | somiaj | if you want 1.4.1 you will have to backport the package which is compiling it form source, but I don't think the wine version is your issue phunyguy |
| 03:43.57 | somiaj | you will proabaly have to copy over the required .dll files into .wine/c_drive/whatever |
| 03:44.28 | phunyguy | didnt have to do that on my Ubuntu boxen |
| 03:44.32 | phunyguy | wine 1.4 |
| 03:45.08 | somiaj | well if it really is something that is supported ina newer wine, then compile wine yourself (though I suggest you make a backport with instructions from /msg dpkg ssbp) |
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| 03:50.45 | phunyguy | surprised a backport doesnt exist (after looking at instructions) |
| 03:51.15 | somiaj | the wine packages have only been recentally updated in debian (there was a long span were packges weren't being made) |
| 03:51.43 | phunyguy | 1.0.1 is a recent update......? |
| 03:51.44 | somiaj | and with wheezy in the freeze and focus on fixing bugs there I doubt a backport will be made for squeeze-backports |
| 03:52.01 | phunyguy | ahhh |
| 03:52.06 | somiaj | no, 1.0.1 was the version in debian for a long long time. Only recentlaly did 1.4/1.5 started being packaged again for testing/unstable |
| 03:52.07 | sney | phunyguy: squeeze was frozen in late 2010 and that was during the time no updates were made |
| 03:52.33 | phunyguy | ahh I see. I'm on a 3rd party distro (OpenMediaVault). Wish I could upgrade |
| 03:52.35 | Dewi | no functional updates, fixes and security only |
| 03:52.39 | sney | there was a 1.1.2 (iirc) available for squeeze fora while |
| 03:52.40 | phunyguy | its my NAS |
| 03:52.44 | somiaj | I was compling my own wine packages for years. I think it has only been a few months ago the wine team started getting a nice build going. |
| 03:53.00 | sney | !openmediavault |
| 03:53.00 | dpkg | OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel, based on Debian <squeeze> as of version 0.3. It is not supported in #debian. Support can be found at http://wiki.openmediavault.org/ and #openmediavault on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:53.03 | phunyguy | would you guys mind holding my hand a little on this? |
| 03:53.17 | phunyguy | oh comon |
| 03:53.20 | phunyguy | lol |
| 03:53.29 | phunyguy | they wont be any help for actual debian-related issues |
| 03:53.41 | somiaj | phunyguy: the commands from /msg dpkg ssbp should be straight forward, and should work. though expect wine to take a while to compile (takes my computer about 20-30 mins) |
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| 03:53.52 | phunyguy | ok. |
| 03:53.53 | blackshirt | hello |
| 03:53.54 | peterrooney | phunyguy: there's a significant probability that it is not a debian related issue. |
| 03:54.06 | phunyguy | well wine isnt included in OMV. |
| 03:54.13 | phunyguy | and they use the debian repos |
| 03:54.19 | phunyguy | (plus their own) |
| 03:54.36 | phunyguy | doesnt seem too heavily modified,,, |
| 03:54.59 | peterrooney | phunyguy: if we treated it as debian, and some obscure change they made meant that the advice (unwisely) given here broke your system, how would you feel? |
| 03:55.00 | blackshirt | abrotman : can you help me |
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| 03:55.13 | blackshirt | I have this error on aptitude update |
| 03:55.15 | blackshirt | W: GPG error: http://ftp.hk.debian.org testing InRelease: Unknown error executing gpgv W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates InRelease: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 03:55.21 | sney | !tell blackshirt about bat |
| 03:55.33 | somiaj | blackshirt: just ask your question to the room, no reason to ask a paticular person |
| 03:55.45 | sney | phunyguy: the helpers in this channel are volunteers who have decided to support Debian users... it is disrespectful to expect them/us to just support any apt/dpkg distro under the sun |
| 03:55.54 | sney | regardless of what it started out as |
| 03:55.58 | phunyguy | somiaj: dpkg bot mentions sid. is it safe to change to squeeze? |
| 03:56.11 | phunyguy | sney: mean no disrespect. Just voicing my point of view on it |
| 03:56.21 | somiaj | blackshirt: security.debian.org won't have testing updates. Remove that deb from your sources.list |
| 03:56.21 | blackshirt | somiaj, okey.. I have this error on aptitude update |
| 03:56.24 | blackshirt | W: GPG error: http://ftp.hk.debian.org testing InRelease: Unknown error executing gpgv W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org testing/updates InRelease: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 03:56.32 | phunyguy | I figured I was working with a debian OS with some extra packages. |
| 03:56.44 | somiaj | phunyguy: you read the factoid wrong. Sid is the version in which you are backporting the newer wine version from |
| 03:56.51 | blackshirt | somiaj, okey, wait a minute.. I will remove that |
| 03:56.52 | phunyguy | AH. ok. thanks |
| 03:56.54 | sney | phunyguy: and can you define where debian ends and where OMV begins? |
| 03:56.55 | somiaj | phunyguy: so you want your deb-src to be with wheezy or sid (either should work) |
| 03:57.21 | sney | blackshirt: please read what dpkg just sent you and provide the information in a pastebin |
| 03:57.29 | phunyguy | sney, well thats the issue. I'm not using OMV as intended.... but I am using debian as intended. |
| 03:57.34 | somiaj | blackshirt: a copy of your sources.list would be helpful. |
| 03:57.45 | blackshirt | somiaj, wait a minut |
| 03:57.48 | blackshirt | minute |
| 03:57.49 | phunyguy | just because it has the OMV label, I didnt think there would be an issue still. |
| 03:58.34 | phunyguy | and sney, like I said, it still seems to use the debian repos, and wine definitely isn't a supported app in OMV. |
| 03:58.55 | blackshirt | somiaj, this my sources.list |
| 03:58.56 | blackshirt | http://paste.debian.net/187332/ |
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| 03:59.19 | sney | phunyguy: your choices are basically a) get OMV support from their wiki or IRC or b) install debian and party with us. somiaj helping you is a very unusual situation and if he has to leave it's quite unlikely anyone else will pick up the slack. #debian officially will not support distributions that are modified from debian, this is a very old rule with a lot of good supporting reasons |
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| 04:00.04 | blackshirt | somiaj, ? |
| 04:00.14 | somiaj | blackshirt: and if you apt-get update with that sources.list do you get a simmilar error? |
| 04:00.23 | somiaj | blackshirt: past the exact error. |
| 04:00.28 | sney | phunyguy: so you may have some opinions on why we should support your case, but ultimately it doesn't matter. #debian is for debian support. if you're not using debian, you're in the wrong place. (additionally, if what you need is Wine support, you might wind up in #winehq anyway.) |
| 04:00.35 | phunyguy | ok, thanks for the lesson sney. I now know a little more. |
| 04:00.39 | blackshirt | somiaj, wait a minute |
| 04:00.47 | somiaj | blackshirt: also I suggest you use 'wheezy' instead of 'testing' in your sources.list for a subtle but important point of not wanting the new testing once wheezy stabilizes. |
| 04:00.50 | phunyguy | :) |
| 04:01.36 | blackshirt | somiaj, what the technical differences between testing and wheezy, I think wheezy was testing release for now |
| 04:01.53 | somiaj | blackshirt: wheezy is the release name, testing mearly points at wheezy right now |
| 04:02.13 | somiaj | blackshirt: when wheezy stablizes all the pointers will change. stable will point at wheezy, oldstable will point at squeeze and testing will point at jessie |
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| 04:02.28 | blackshirt | somiaj, this was aptitude update output with that sources.list |
| 04:02.30 | blackshirt | http://paste.debian.net/187333/ |
| 04:02.40 | sney | blackshirt: when wheezy becomes stable, if you have 'testing' in your sources.list you'll automatically switch to the new testing, which will be a huge mess for the first few months. Even experienced users usually don't like using testing at that point |
| 04:02.41 | somiaj | so stable/testing/unstable are just links pointing at the offical codename to the release |
| 04:03.41 | blackshirt | somiaj, okey.. I understand that, for some time, wheezy would become stable release and jessie would enter a testing |
| 04:04.11 | blackshirt | somiaj, I have paste aptitude output |
| 04:04.31 | blackshirt | still one error and missing one error from two |
| 04:04.38 | somiaj | well wheezy will always be wheezy, it is just testing will not always point at it. Anyways not an error I reconize. |
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| 04:05.26 | blackshirt | somiaj, there are error on last line : W: GPG error: http://ftp.hk.debian.org testing InRelease: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 04:05.36 | blackshirt | what this mean ? |
| 04:06.01 | sney | try with a different mirror |
| 04:06.17 | somiaj | blackshirt: I got that, no need to paste the same error multiple times. Seems you have a corrupted file in /var/lib/apt/lists that you should delete |
| 04:06.32 | somiaj | sney: seems to be a known bug from a bag *_Release file, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657561 |
| 04:07.01 | sney | aha, interesting |
| 04:07.09 | somiaj | blackshirt: ls /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Release -- do you have any files that come from that list |
| 04:08.09 | somiaj | the bug suggest your remove (I would suggest moving to a tmp place) the *_Release and *_Release.gpg file that is causing you issues |
| 04:08.46 | qw12 | when i do vi filename it asks press enter or type command etc. etc. instead of opening the file |
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| 04:09.17 | somiaj | qw12: ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi (is it pointing at gvim for some reason)? |
| 04:09.44 | somiaj | sney: sorry about that repost. (: |
| 04:09.57 | somiaj | sney: arg I hit page up no wonder I was confused |
| 04:10.26 | qw12 | somiaj: its /usr/bin/vim.tiny |
| 04:10.30 | somiaj | qw12: looks /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.gtk on my system, so if you aren't running X, gvim will say hey can't open DISPLAY hit enter to run vim |
| 04:11.18 | qw12 | ok |
| 04:11.33 | qw12 | it doesn't do for all files looks like |
| 04:12.01 | somiaj | qw12: seems that I get the same issue with vim.tiny on my system |
| 04:12.14 | somiaj | qw12: it complains about my .vimrc since it doesn't support all the full features |
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| 04:12.22 | somiaj | qw12: try vim.basic file -- does that work like you want it to? |
| 04:12.31 | qw12 | it doesn't show for new file |
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| 04:12.56 | qw12 | or other files |
| 04:13.26 | somiaj | qw12: well it would help if you pasted teh actual errors vim.tiny is telling you (besides just telling you to type enter) is my guess why it is doing that |
| 04:14.06 | qw12 | ok |
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| 04:14.45 | qw12 | Press ENTER or type command to continue |
| 04:16.02 | somiaj | hmm, that is strange, what version of debian? I do not get that issue with vim.tiny once I remove my bad .vimrc file |
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| 04:17.59 | blackshirt | somiaj, I don't have this error with apt-get update |
| 04:18.03 | qw12 | somiaj: i'll check |
| 04:18.53 | blackshirt | somiaj, I don't have this error with apt-get update |
| 04:18.55 | qw12 | where's the .vimrc ? |
| 04:19.12 | somiaj | qw12: $HOME (it is the users custom vim runtime configuration file |
| 04:19.42 | somiaj | but if there is an error it should tell you the error it is getting not just wait for you to hit enter. Something is strange. Version of debian and vim tiny would help |
| 04:19.57 | somiaj | what is the output of apt-cache policy vim-tiny |
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| 04:21.51 | somiaj | blackshirt: well check out that bugreport and keep reading the errors and using google (welceom to the joy of testing things) |
| 04:22.35 | qw12 | somiaj: its the root, i don't see any .vimrc |
| 04:22.47 | somiaj | yea .vimrc is optional |
| 04:23.23 | somiaj | but usually that 'hit enter to continue' is triggered when an error in starting is encountered and it tells you waht that error is. So I'm baffeled |
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| 04:24.55 | blackshirt | somiaj, bugs for aptitude ? |
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| 04:25.34 | somiaj | blackshirt: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=657561 |
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| 04:26.08 | blackshirt | somiaj, have nice to go to location |
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| 04:57.07 | blackshirt | somiaj, still there guys ? |
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| 04:57.56 | blackshirt | I have solved this problem |
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| 04:58.30 | phunyguy | somiaj: and sney, just wanted to thank you for your help, and direction. This is going well. |
| 04:58.46 | sney | np |
| 05:00.04 | boudiccas | yesterday i installed openbox, lfwm, and a couple of other desktops to try out, but i'm stickign with xfce - except that openbox has now put entries into the menu on other > openbox, and also 'zero install'. i'm unable to delete these entries ta the settings > main menu, can anyone help em get rid of them or to hide them please? |
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| 05:01.57 | somiaj | how did you install/remove these other wms? with just apt? |
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| 05:02.36 | boudiccas | apt-get |
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| 05:03.03 | boudiccas | i want to keep openbox but without its entries in the xfce menu |
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| 05:03.18 | somiaj | I was gonna suggest puring the old isntall files and then reinstalling |
| 05:03.41 | boudiccas | puring? |
| 05:03.44 | somiaj | or you can go ask in openbox and figure out where it is getting these menus from and edditing the config/meu files |
| 05:03.57 | somiaj | purge, apt-get --purge remove foo (or dpkg --purge foo if it has already been removed) |
| 05:04.03 | somiaj | that will delete all the config files with the package |
| 05:04.16 | boudiccas | ah, right, thanks |
| 05:05.52 | Caelum | how do you make network-manager remember wifi network passwords? |
| 05:06.31 | somiaj | I thought it did that by default, or there should checkbox of somesort saying 'save passwords' (though I don't use nm myself) |
| 05:07.04 | Caelum | it doesn't for me |
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| 05:14.50 | JCDenton | aptitude moo |
| 05:14.56 | JCDenton | haha. |
| 05:15.56 | somiaj | JCDenton: aptitude -v moo; aptitude -vv moo; and keep going |
| 05:16.25 | JCDenton | That is one terribly drawn snake |
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| 05:16.37 | tommyb10 | Hi all, just installed proxmox VE and my lan card wont work. eth0 is not recognized |
| 05:16.38 | somiaj | also apt-get moo first |
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| 05:18.48 | boudiccas | !proxmox |
| 05:18.48 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 05:19.38 | aidalgol | The apt-get cow looks rather demonic. |
| 05:19.57 | boudiccas | tommyb10: sorry, its unsupported in debian, follow the link to get the support though |
| 05:20.28 | aypea[2] | gah. how am I failing at making a fw gateway here? ip_forwad is 1 and yet the POSTROUTING nat rule and the FORWARD table get no packets. |
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| 05:22.27 | somiaj | aidalgol: play with cowsay much? |
| 05:22.42 | aidalgol | somiaj: I've seen it. Also demonic. :P |
| 05:22.44 | Joel_C | anyone here help with onboard lan card? vmbr0 is only network available |
| 05:22.50 | somiaj | aidalgol: plenty of extra cows with it |
| 05:24.10 | wolfric | Joel_C: try ifconfig -a |
| 05:24.44 | Joel_C | comes up with lo, venet0 and vmbr0 |
| 05:25.08 | wolfric | running something related to vms? |
| 05:25.26 | Joel_C | vms? |
| 05:25.40 | wolfric | virtual machines |
| 05:25.48 | wolfric | proxmox? openvz? |
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| 05:26.05 | wolfric | o..k.. |
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| 05:35.21 | Joel_C | internet crashed. Yes i am using proxmox, but there is little to no support on the forums about this. All help is appreciated if you can |
| 05:35.54 | somiaj | !proxmox |
| 05:35.54 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
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| 05:38.06 | Joel_C | i know proxmox is not supported on here, but i really need help on this as there is not support on their forums |
| 05:38.38 | jelly-home | Joel_C: try asking on ##linux, the generic linux distro channel |
| 05:39.17 | Joel_C | thanks |
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| 05:49.48 | phunyguy | somiaj: sney:, just wanted to share, I found the issue after the wine compile. Turns out, the filesystem the app is running on, is mounted with noexec. =D Silly OMV. |
| 05:50.11 | sney | a good security feature for an appliance |
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| 05:53.57 | sauvin | Say I download a tarball. Configure, make, blah blah. Only, I don't want to corrupt the package manager. How to make a deb and install from *it*? |
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| 05:55.22 | somiaj | phunyguy: well I said that it was most likely not the wine version for your app. but yes glad you figure it out. |
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| 05:55.35 | wolfric | sauvin: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/Linux-For-Devices-Articles/How-to-make-deb-packages/ |
| 05:55.39 | phunyguy | somiaj: yeah, the newer wine version has better error messages. |
| 05:55.45 | wolfric | sauvin: or just google "make a deb file" |
| 05:55.46 | phunyguy | so it worked out. |
| 05:55.51 | somiaj | sauvin: if you install in /usr/local you will not mess with packages installed by dpkg |
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| 05:56.20 | phunyguy | and sney, I agree, so I copied the app folder to ~/.wine/drive_c |
| 05:56.21 | sauvin | dpkg never installs into /usr/local ? |
| 05:56.22 | dpkg | sauvin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:56.28 | somiaj | sauvin: from there you could manage things in /usr/local with stow, you can use equivs to make debian packages for things to depend against or you can follow wolfric advise on making debian packages, also read the debian matainers guide |
| 05:56.29 | sney | sauvin: correct |
| 05:56.38 | sney | stow is great. |
| 05:56.49 | somiaj | sauvin: offical packages from debian will not install into /usr/local. (random debs could do anything) |
| 05:57.53 | sauvin | Nobody in his right mind is going to hold you responsible for what a "random deb" might do. |
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| 05:58.23 | wolfric | what? "hold you responsible"? |
| 05:58.27 | sauvin | I'd forgotten all about targeting /usr/local, though, and never knew about "stow". |
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| 06:03.37 | jelly-home | 1st party Chrome package installs (mostly) under /opt/google |
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| 06:06.14 | raden | i keep set my ip address static in interfaces and do a ifdown ifup and its correct |
| 06:06.30 | raden | after a few days it takes a DHCP address even though its still the same information in interfaces |
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| 06:06.32 | raden | any ideas ? |
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| 06:07.52 | somiaj | raden: do you have a network manager or something installed? There are other things that can bring up/down interfaces (though network manager is supose to ignore things in interfaces) |
| 06:08.08 | raden | somiaj, not to my knowledge |
| 06:08.13 | raden | i can down and up the interface |
| 06:08.19 | raden | and it goes back to the way it should |
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| 06:08.44 | somiaj | well ifup/ifdown use the info in /etc/network/interfaces (they are debian scripts) to bring up/down interfaces with ifconfig |
| 06:09.28 | somiaj | so anything that doesn't honor debian's interfaces file can bring up your interface using dhcp or any other method. I would try to figure out what is bring up the interface when it runs dhcp. |
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| 06:11.48 | wolfric | raden: /etc/init.d/network-manager status |
| 06:12.22 | raden | no network manager in init.d |
| 06:12.25 | raden | networking |
| 06:12.27 | raden | thats it |
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| 06:13.07 | wolfric | dhclient? |
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| 06:13.17 | wolfric | ps aux | grep dhclient |
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| 06:15.40 | raden | wolfric, yup |
| 06:15.44 | raden | how i shut that down |
| 06:15.59 | raden | i come from opensuse switching servers back over to debian been 5 years lol |
| 06:15.59 | maik | killall dhclient |
| 06:16.01 | maik | ? |
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| 06:17.01 | specing | raden: If those servers are identical I recommend Gentoo |
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| 06:18.13 | wolfric | raden: can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:18.40 | somiaj | raden: I would figure out what is running dhclient. I cannot think of anything besides network-manager in debian that would be doing that. You are running debian and have no other unoffical packages installed? |
| 06:18.58 | somiaj | (well that and your interfaces file) |
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| 06:19.47 | raden | ima reboot it quick |
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| 06:24.02 | peterrooney | ,file /sbin/dhclient |
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| 06:55.28 | ix_ | hello, what's the debian start page from iceweasel? |
| 06:56.00 | ix_ | I mean, where do I find it? |
| 06:56.13 | nsadmin | debian.org? |
| 06:56.31 | nsadmin | start from your computer? |
| 06:56.36 | ix_ | no, something like start.ubuntu.com |
| 06:56.46 | ix_ | which is a personalised google start page |
| 06:56.46 | nsadmin | no ubuntu here |
| 06:57.06 | ix_ | I asked about the debian front page, not the ubuntu one |
| 06:57.07 | nsadmin | oh, not sure about that part |
| 06:57.17 | araxeus | ix_, Do you mean about:home ? |
| 06:57.19 | nsadmin | www.debian.org |
| 06:57.30 | nsadmin | that's the only start/home page I know |
| 06:57.31 | digdilem_ | that's more a user setting than a distro one imo |
| 06:58.00 | ix_ | araxeus: I think that would work, but I';m on firefox, so the about:config would be a firefox start page |
| 06:58.03 | nsadmin | ix_, let's back up and zoom out a bit |
| 06:58.10 | nsadmin | what would you like to accomplish? |
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| 06:59.07 | ix_ | nsadmin: isn't there a page for debian that is similar to start.ubuntu.com? |
| 06:59.50 | digdilem_ | I've not noticed a demand for such a thing. |
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| 07:00.01 | digdilem_ | but nsadmin asks the right question, what do you want? |
| 07:00.16 | ix_ | ok, so there isn't such a thing? |
| 07:00.34 | digdilem_ | nafiak |
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| 07:01.26 | nsadmin | ix_, so you mean a page that has some links to debian docs and community, and has a google search that may have been customized by including debian searches? |
| 07:01.36 | ix_ | exactly |
| 07:01.53 | nsadmin | got it... and you want to make that your home page? |
| 07:01.58 | ix_ | yes |
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| 07:02.36 | nsadmin | ok. unfortunately, I know of no such page... fortunately, the page looks fairly simple and you could build one locally |
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| 07:04.13 | nsadmin | you could -even- get the page source, copy it to a local file (maybe start-debian.html) and alter it |
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| 07:04.51 | nsadmin | then, you could customize your own start page any way you want |
| 07:05.46 | nsadmin | would that work? are you handy with html? |
| 07:06.01 | ix_ | ok, thanks, but I think I'll just stay with the ubuntu start page, the "get chrome" ads are annoying me |
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| 07:06.40 | nsadmin | ads from what page? |
| 07:06.53 | ix_ | from google.com |
| 07:07.01 | ix_ | and I am using adblock |
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| 07:09.18 | ksuhku | ix_, it's google's way to tell you to use another search engine |
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| 07:09.58 | vivid | close the ad, it will stop appearing eventually |
| 07:10.00 | ix_ | ksuhku: or their browser, I've tried duckduckgo, but I just can't get used to it |
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| 07:10.36 | vivid | i dont get it on any of my alternative browsers, though i generally use chrome anyway |
| 07:10.39 | ix_ | vivid: I've set firefox up so that it deletes everything on closing, cookies, history and all |
| 07:10.59 | vivid | then you might as well be using constant private browsing? |
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| 07:11.23 | ix_ | vivid: no point in that |
| 07:11.36 | vivid | the point in private browsing is to not save that information |
| 07:11.56 | vivid | meaning, you set it up to do something it already provides? |
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| 07:12.08 | vivid | not saying its wrong, just interesting method |
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| 07:12.58 | ix_ | vivid: I'll try private browsing, but as far as I know, it does not save anything in the session |
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| 07:13.23 | ix_ | vivid: and I often need to reopen a closed page |
| 07:13.25 | vivid | "In a Private Browsing session, Firefox won't keep any browser history, search history, download history, web form history, cookies, or temporary internet files. However, files you download and bookmarks you make will be kept." |
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| 07:13.43 | vivid | in a nutshell |
| 07:14.09 | vivid | i use it for.....some things.....even though this is a private machine |
| 07:14.40 | ix_ | vivid: LOL, some things |
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| 07:14.51 | vivid | yea, you know....things you dont want google to know |
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| 07:15.04 | vivid | but i guess we just dont use google for those :p |
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| 07:15.34 | vivid | most annoying thing is their stupid autocompletion |
| 07:15.51 | ix_ | vivid: I like autocomplete |
| 07:16.27 | ectospasm | ~ |
| 07:16.31 | vivid | drives me crazy when im searching for related things, always have to delete some of the search terms and resubmit, it should be an option |
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| 07:18.35 | frold | I got a virtuel server, when running: apt-get update I get: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/non-free/source/Sources Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file , why? |
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| 07:18.49 | ix_ | vivid: I see that you can turn off autocomplete |
| 07:19.06 | ksuhku | !lenny |
| 07:19.07 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
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| 07:20.02 | ix_ | frold: you have to change your archives to old releases |
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| 07:20.52 | frold | okay.. ? |
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| 07:21.46 | aypea[2] | argh. this is madness. both a NATed and an unNATed packet is going out for the same ping |
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| 07:22.11 | ix_ | frold: it should look something like: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 07:23.27 | drigollier | hi all |
| 07:23.38 | ix_ | hello |
| 07:23.57 | drigollier | ix_ : hello |
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| 07:24.23 | frold | ix_: thanks, Im not sure if I date to update my server.... |
| 07:24.31 | frold | *Date = dare |
| 07:25.12 | ix_ | frold: you don't need to upgrade it to squeeze |
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| 07:25.35 | boudiccas | lenny is no longer saupported and wont get security updates |
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| 07:27.18 | frold | ix_ and boudiccas but it will update my mysql and php I guess? |
| 07:27.37 | ix_ | frold: only security updates |
| 07:27.58 | frold | so it safe to add the deb command... |
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| 07:28.06 | ix_ | frold: it is safe |
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| 07:28.42 | frold | I have to run as sudo: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 07:29.04 | ix_ | frold: you have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 07:30.56 | frold | I use this one: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ hamm contrib main non-free and not deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free - right - or the last one?, ix_ ? |
| 07:31.02 | ix_ | frold: ok, I was wrong, the security updates are from security.debian.org, you will only have your repo |
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| 07:31.30 | ix_ | frold: are you using lenny or hamm? |
| 07:31.39 | frold | lenny |
| 07:31.52 | frold | ahh I get it now I guess... |
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| 07:33.05 | nsadmin | frold, hamm?? |
| 07:33.09 | nsadmin | wow :) |
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| 07:33.33 | ix_ | yeah, that must be a very old server |
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| 07:33.53 | nsadmin | how can you be using lenny when you have hamm source |
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| 07:34.21 | crocket | How do I kill a dhcp client for an interface? |
| 07:34.31 | ix_ | nsadmin: how do you list the release? |
| 07:34.35 | crocket | I want to get a new IP address from the DHCP server again. |
| 07:34.43 | frold | ix_: nsadmin Okay this is my source list: if I add that line: http://pastebin.com/ELnFG6Lu deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 07:35.03 | frold | Does it looks it should=? |
| 07:35.38 | nsadmin | (please no more pastebin.com ; you can use nopaste which won't use that site) |
| 07:35.53 | ix_ | crocket: you can try pkill dhclient |
| 07:37.14 | ix_ | frold: I think you can safely delete the german server, because I don't think it has the lenny repo |
| 07:37.16 | nsadmin | frold, is this before you used it to install any packages? |
| 07:37.27 | nsadmin | right, it doesn' |
| 07:37.28 | nsadmin | t |
| 07:37.40 | drupulus | crocket: you can also assign a specific IP address to your machine's MAC address in your router (if you have access to it), but if not, the chances are the router (or other DHCP server), will re-assign the same IP... |
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| 07:37.58 | frold | well, I havent done anything to that source list at any time before this moment :) |
| 07:38.27 | crocket | ix_, ok debian uses dhclient. |
| 07:38.36 | nsadmin | did you install packages using it? |
| 07:38.44 | raden | i keep get init id "co" shutting down for 5 minutes |
| 07:38.49 | nsadmin | frold, cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 07:39.07 | raden | i commeneted out #co in inittab and it still keeps doing it ? |
| 07:39.10 | nsadmin | raden, look at /etc/inittab |
| 07:39.25 | nsadmin | raden, you have to restart init |
| 07:39.30 | frold | nsadmin: 5.0.10 |
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| 07:39.36 | raden | nsadmin, i did |
| 07:39.55 | nsadmin | raden, then it should have read inittab |
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| 07:40.08 | ix_ | frold: ok, good, you have lenny, the errors you got were from the german servers because they don't have the archives anymore |
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| 07:40.55 | frold | ix_: what will happens if I add: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free and runs apt-get update/upgrade ? |
| 07:41.02 | nsadmin | frold, does "apt-get dist-upgrade" do anything (do NOT change sources.list) |
| 07:41.20 | ix_ | frold: you already have that in your sources.list |
| 07:41.31 | frold | cause I added it... |
| 07:41.51 | frold | that snippet on paste bin was when I did add that line manually: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 07:41.53 | ix_ | frold: oh, I see, well, nothing will happen, I think |
| 07:42.18 | nsadmin | frold, try it and see. does it want to install packages? |
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| 07:42.32 | nsadmin | (again, do NOT change sources.list yet) |
| 07:43.03 | ix_ | frold: 5.10 is the last lenny update, so you will probably have nothing to upgrade |
| 07:43.20 | nsadmin | ix_, we don't know that for sure |
| 07:43.38 | nsadmin | and, we need to know |
| 07:43.53 | frold | okay... |
| 07:44.18 | nsadmin | it will ask if you want to proceed, if there are packages. |
| 07:44.23 | nsadmin | you can say no for now |
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| 07:45.46 | syssi | hi. i've recently updated to squeeze. daily i do a lvm snapshot to backup my machine. since squeeze unmounting the lvm snapshots takes hours and produces high disk I/O. |
| 07:46.04 | nsadmin | frold, remember the part where we asked "what happened when you did apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 07:46.16 | frold | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 07:46.17 | nsadmin | so, we wanted to KNOW WHAT HAPPENS |
| 07:46.25 | frold | okay |
| 07:46.28 | frold | I can try :S |
| 07:46.32 | nsadmin | ok, great. so you're up to date |
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| 07:47.01 | ix_ | frold: did you get errors from the repositories? |
| 07:47.17 | frold | ix_: yep |
| 07:47.25 | nsadmin | if he apt-get update, then he'd get errors |
| 07:47.32 | syssi | if found some similar bug (#576673) from 2010. is there a known workaround? bugs.d.o of lvm2 is hard to read if you don't know lvm well enough. |
| 07:47.33 | ix_ | frold: put an # in front of those repos with ftp2.de |
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| 07:47.52 | syssi | /if/I/ |
| 07:48.23 | nsadmin | so... now, you know you're up to date... what do you want to do? |
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| 07:51.11 | frold | Im not sure if I should run: apt-get dist-upgrade nsadmin will it promt me to debian 6? |
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| 07:57.02 | ImaLamer | apt-cache search [term] |
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| 07:59.41 | crocket | How do I disable a debian service? |
| 08:01.06 | micke | service <servicename> stop |
| 08:01.14 | nevyn | crocket: apt-get purge service |
| 08:01.30 | crocket | micke, What if I want to permanently disable it/ |
| 08:01.42 | nevyn | why do you have it installed? |
| 08:01.45 | micke | crocket: use update-rc.d |
| 08:02.24 | micke | update-rc.d <servicename> remove |
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| 08:04.07 | crocket | micke, I don't want to remove the init script. |
| 08:04.17 | crocket | I just want to disable i.t |
| 08:06.25 | micke | crocket: but that would be the way to disable the service in debian, the master script in /etc/init.d/ would still be present so you can start it manualy |
| 08:06.39 | micke | disable=remove from autostart |
| 08:06.44 | crocket | ok |
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| 08:28.44 | AC1D | -( 12:26:23 )- <AC1D> help me plz , that an error, |
| 08:28.44 | AC1D | -( 12:26:23 )- <AC1D> debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: No such file or directory |
| 08:28.44 | AC1D | -( 12:26:23 )- <AC1D> Extracting templates from packages: 100% |
| 08:28.44 | AC1D | -( 12:26:23 )- <AC1D> dpkg: error: cannot read info directory: No such file or directory |
| 08:28.45 | AC1D | -( 12:26:23 )- <AC1D> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 08:28.50 | AC1D | help me plz |
| 08:29.12 | shifty | I've just installed emacs24. 'info' only finds version 23 documention. Any ideas how to find v24 docs? (Installed packages are emacs-goodies-el emacs23 emacs23-bin-common emacs23-common emacs23-common-non-dfsg emacs23-el emacs24 emacs24-bin-common emacs24-common emacs24-common-non-dfsg emacsen-common) |
| 08:29.31 | AC1D | I used a lot of different solutions, but what did not work |
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| 08:33.44 | dwatkins | AC1D: can you ping all the servers in sources.list and does 'apt-get update' work okay when trying to connect to them? |
| 08:33.48 | babilen | !tell AC1D -about bat |
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| 08:34.07 | babilen | AC1D: And please do *not* paste into the channel, but to http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:35.31 | AC1D | ok thx |
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| 08:39.51 | babilen | shifty: "info emacs" works just fine over here with emacs24-common-non-dfsg installed. (emacs24 24.1+1-4, emacs24-common-non-dfsg 24.1+1-1) -- What exactly are you doing and what happens? |
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| 08:46.23 | wrabbit | is there an initrd anywhere in the repository to help me get a debootstrap started up? kernel is not enough for me :( |
| 08:46.54 | shifty | babilen: "info emacs" (from the shell) gets me info on emacs, but the initial paragraphs include "it corresponds to GNU Emacs version 23.4." I expected: either this result, or the v24 documentation. What I want: how do I locate the emacs24 documentation - or at least to understand how Debian handles this. (Eventually I intend to remove emacs23, but not today.) |
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| 08:49.26 | babilen | shifty: I get version 24 there, but I don't have emacs23 installed. I am also not that familiar with emacs' packaging, but I guess that there is a way to switch between the info pages for 23 and 24. |
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| 08:50.36 | babilen | wrabbit: The initramfs is generated and not in any package IIRC |
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| 08:52.05 | g00se | I've got only one free primary partition to play with of 15GB and 8GB RAM. What's my best swap strategy? |
| 08:52.19 | blubberdiblub | shifty, you could look through the files that belong to the packages, if that is any help. try "dpkg -L emacs24" for instance, and also try the other emacs24-* packages |
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| 08:54.03 | babilen | shifty: ^^^ ... the info pages are *definitely* in the emacs24-common-non-dfsg package |
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| 08:54.38 | blubberdiblub | and if i were to take a good guess, i'd say they're managed through the alternatives system |
| 08:55.42 | blubberdiblub | maybe as separate alternative, but more probably as slave alternative to emacs itself |
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| 09:01.54 | shifty | a plain "emacs" command will start v24 here. i suppose I was hoping whatever magic goes on in the background would do the same with the info files (seeing as emacs is pretty chummy with info). I admit it's a big ask having two versions installed. |
| 09:02.30 | shifty | pragmatically, I should just take the plunge and migrate (by removing v23). |
| 09:02.55 | blubberdiblub | well, in that case i would be expecting the info command to point to the 24 documentation as well |
| 09:03.13 | blubberdiblub | would be the way of the least surprise ;) |
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| 09:04.13 | nevyn | whydoyouonlyhave one partition? |
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| 09:04.58 | g00se | nevyn: Because the other 3 are occupied |
| 09:05.16 | nevyn | bywhat? |
| 09:05.16 | shifty | I suspect that info itself has a limitation on topic names. |
| 09:05.49 | g00se | Win 7, recovery, drivers etc. |
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| 09:06.40 | nevyn | swap doesn't need to be a primary |
| 09:07.20 | nevyn | but you'regoing to struggle to install in 15bog of disk total |
| 09:07.35 | nevyn | gig |
| 09:07.37 | g00se | You mean just use a swap file instead of a partition |
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| 09:08.38 | g00se | doesn't want the partition table altered |
| 09:08.43 | nevyn | no |
| 09:08.43 | nevyn | udderanextended partition or just use lvm |
| 09:08.58 | g00se | ^^ |
| 09:09.19 | nevyn | use an extended partition |
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| 09:09.52 | nevyn | damnpredictive |
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| 09:11.17 | g00se | wants to be as non-invasive as possible to the current setup |
| 09:15.13 | nevyn | ok use lvm |
| 09:15.30 | ChrisH | lvm is allways the answer.... :) |
| 09:15.43 | nevyn | but youStilldon't have enough space |
| 09:16.56 | jelly | buys nevyn a keyboard with a working space bar |
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| 09:17.42 | Trewas | with 8GB RAM swap is not strictly required |
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| 09:21.44 | g00se | I'll probably use the ntfs partitions for storage |
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| 09:22.32 | jelly | Trewas: even at home, it might be if you set up a VM or five |
| 09:22.46 | g00se | five? |
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| 09:24.40 | g00se | The installer has suddenly got confusing. Seems that the kernel and initrd are being supplied separately..? |
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| 09:24.56 | g00se | Is there a factoid? |
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| 09:28.38 | nevyn | jelly: I was trying to irc from my phone |
| 09:28.50 | nevyn | g00se: you don't have enough space |
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| 09:29.00 | nevyn | 15gig is enough for a very minimal installation. |
| 09:29.18 | nevyn | even ignoring the "conventional wisdom" that swap should be twice ram |
| 09:29.30 | jelly | nevyn: ah! you were failing quite a bit |
| 09:29.41 | nevyn | jelly: it sucks |
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| 09:30.01 | nevyn | new swype seems to forget that auto-space is on. |
| 09:30.35 | nevyn | g00se: you really need 40-60 gig for a gui system with a reasonable set of desktop apps. |
| 09:32.23 | blubberdiblub | nevyn, i'm fine with much less here. but it heavily depends on how you define "reasonable" ;) |
| 09:32.49 | g00se | Well my current system (xfce squeeze) is not hugely conservative and uses 15GB |
| 09:33.03 | nevyn | but you havn't counted swap. |
| 09:33.20 | g00se | True ;) |
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| 09:34.22 | g00se | On my current system that's 716MB |
| 09:35.02 | nevyn | g00se: so you could do that. |
| 09:35.07 | nevyn | or you could run swapless. |
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| 09:36.07 | g00se | Doesn't ubuntu have an 'install to Windows' kind of config? |
| 09:38.14 | Devastator | this is #debian |
| 09:38.34 | Max^ | windows :D |
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| 09:42.53 | g00se | Devastator: i'm aware of that ;) |
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| 09:52.06 | bratner | hi! i want to make changes to an existing package and build a new one with a different version info. what is the right way to update the package info in the source? |
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| 09:53.08 | blubberdiblub | bratner, as far as i know, "debchange" is the tool you're looking for. that's what i'm using to make my customized mpd builds |
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| 09:54.09 | blubberdiblub | bratner, it's in the package "devscripts" |
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| 09:55.29 | bratner | blubberdiblub, found it , reading the manpage , thanks! |
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| 09:58.32 | g0dfrey | KGet in Wheezy doesn't work |
| 09:59.08 | boudiccas | so use wget then |
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| 10:00.00 | g0dfrey | how about curl? |
| 10:00.40 | g0dfrey | Both multi-thread? |
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| 10:34.38 | avernos | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.41 | avernos | how can i fix that? |
| 10:35.13 | kwork | linux headers isn't the full source tree |
| 10:35.15 | kwork | its only config |
| 10:35.19 | kwork | and header files |
| 10:36.10 | avernos | oh! that explains a lot |
| 10:36.47 | avernos | do i need something like linux-sources-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-common ? |
| 10:38.41 | Iridos | dpkg, kernel compile |
| 10:38.42 | dpkg | [kernel compile] To (re)build the official Debian kernels, see http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage . For personal kernel packages, it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg>. |
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| 10:40.02 | avernos | thanks! |
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| 11:02.32 | folivora | Hello, Can I upgrade from Debian 4.0 -> 6.0.5 straight or should I go through 5.0 ? |
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| 11:02.43 | aypea[2] | i'd be gentle. |
| 11:02.47 | boudiccas | go through 5 |
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| 11:03.19 | boudiccas | and with good backups too |
| 11:03.23 | folivora | hehe |
| 11:03.31 | folivora | got a snapshot since it is a virtual machine |
| 11:03.32 | folivora | but |
| 11:03.53 | folivora | so you would recommend to go through 5.0 ... |
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| 11:04.19 | boudiccas | thats the recommended upgrade path |
| 11:04.24 | folivora | ok thanks |
| 11:04.32 | boudiccas | you're welcome |
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| 11:09.16 | nickool | Just bought a Transcend 64GB SSD. It comes with vfat filesystem type. Cannot change this to Linux filesystem type via cfdisk. Am I in trouble? |
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| 11:10.33 | nevyn | nickool: install flashcache! |
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| 11:11.29 | nevyn | I'm mostly sortof kinda kidding |
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| 11:16.03 | nickool | seriously, what is that and how will it solve my problem? |
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| 11:16.52 | blubberdiblub | what's the error cfdisk reports, nickool? |
| 11:17.02 | nevyn | nickool: kernel module written by facebook |
| 11:17.34 | nevyn | nickool: it uses a flash disks as a writethrough/writeback (your option) cache in front of spinning disks |
| 11:18.10 | nevyn | this means a computer decides what should be on the flash vs on spinning rust instead of you trying to optimise it. |
| 11:20.21 | nickool | blubberdiblub: no err msg from cfdisk, the filesystem type just does not change from vfat to my selection. |
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| 11:22.39 | blubberdiblub | nickool, you mean it reverts to vfat the next time you start cfdisk? |
| 11:22.56 | nevyn | did you write? |
| 11:23.10 | blubberdiblub | nickool, or did you just forget to press capital W at the end? |
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| 11:25.10 | avernos | can i get sources from backport? |
| 11:27.50 | g00se | Thanks guys |
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| 11:29.04 | ESphynx | hey guys... dash was causing me problems earlier |
| 11:29.18 | ESphynx | In my makefiles: echo -ne 'bla bla' >> bla.c |
| 11:29.26 | ESphynx | this ended up putting the -ne to the .c file |
| 11:29.38 | ESphynx | works fine with bash (wished /bin/sh defaulted to /bin/bash) |
| 11:30.10 | nevyn | so bashism.. yeah. |
| 11:30.18 | nevyn | not posix sh |
| 11:30.29 | ESphynx | that's not posix sh? |
| 11:30.41 | nevyn | oh. |
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| 11:31.16 | nickool | blubberdiblub: no, when I key in 83 for Linux type, the display did not update. after i 'Write' and 'Quit' and re-start, the filetype is still 'vfat'. |
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| 11:31.38 | nevyn | try specifying the path to echo |
| 11:31.56 | nevyn | ESphynx: /bin/echo should fix that right up |
| 11:32.07 | ESphynx | yeah but I don't know where echo is |
| 11:32.15 | blubberdiblub | nickool, well, if the display doesn't update, there's something else wrong. cfdisk works on a cached mbr in memory, so it would have to update at least as long as the current cfdisk session is running |
| 11:32.23 | ESphynx | I fixed it by pointing sh to bash :P |
| 11:32.26 | halt_ | hi all, i have uif for iptables manager, i try to sparate the syslog, is it possible to setup a the loglevel from the uif.conf ? ( i did not found it in the man) |
| 11:32.27 | ESphynx | I like bash |
| 11:32.56 | ESphynx | just thought i'd mention it here so perhaps dash could be fixed to work properly in this case :) |
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| 11:33.32 | nevyn | ESphynx: the prolem is the -e |
| 11:33.35 | nevyn | -n works fine |
| 11:33.42 | nickool | blubberdiblub: could it be the manufacturer has make sure that filetype is non-changable? |
| 11:33.50 | halt_ | I mean it's there but i do not know how should i use in the conf "LogLevel A valid default log priority (see syslog.conf(5))" |
| 11:33.55 | ESphynx | nevyn ah... |
| 11:34.13 | blubberdiblub | nickool, that is at least technically possible (tho not probable), but would not explain the symptoms you're seeing |
| 11:34.15 | nevyn | ESphynx: and posix echo is the problem here. the >> is fine. |
| 11:34.34 | blubberdiblub | nickool, try changing the partition type with parted, fdisk or sfdisk |
| 11:34.41 | ESphynx | nevyn: but dash supports -e ? |
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| 11:35.02 | nickool | blubberdiblub: ok, will try and revert. |
| 11:35.33 | ESphynx | Seems to have a different meaning than bash though :P |
| 11:35.36 | nevyn | man posix is such a shitty standard. |
| 11:35.41 | nevyn | string A string to be written to standard output. If the first operand is -n, or if any of the operands contain a backslash ( '\' ) character, the results are implementation-defined. |
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| 11:36.08 | ESphynx | yeah I don't care much for posix standard, I care for bash. |
| 11:36.32 | nevyn | try just -n |
| 11:37.00 | ESphynx | -e is supposed to allow interepretation of escape \ |
| 11:37.21 | nevyn | yeah that's all in non-compatible hell |
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| 11:37.37 | nevyn | non-portable even. |
| 11:38.03 | ESphynx | how am I going to escape by double quotes |
| 11:38.04 | ESphynx | without -e |
| 11:38.19 | ESphynx | and my newlines |
| 11:38.42 | ESphynx | GNU coreutils are the most used tools |
| 11:38.49 | ESphynx | and they're portable to almost all platforms |
| 11:39.17 | ESphynx | let's just define a GNUSIX standard. |
| 11:39.27 | nevyn | so if you're writing a script use #!/bin/bash |
| 11:39.30 | nevyn | not /bin/sh |
| 11:39.37 | ESphynx | it's not a script though, it's a makefile |
| 11:39.42 | ESphynx | which is what annoyed me... |
| 11:39.55 | ESphynx | I was running GNU make in bash |
| 11:40.04 | ESphynx | and dash ended up getting called without me having a clue |
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| 11:40.31 | nickool | blubberdiblub: when I use fdisk command 'p', I get: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 11:40.33 | nickool | /dev/sdb1 * 63 125045419 62522678+ 83 Linux |
| 11:40.35 | nickool | This means the partition is of filetype Linux 83! cfdisk is screwed? |
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| 11:41.54 | blubberdiblub | nickool, yeah, there's probably something wrong with your cfdisk. or some of its bugs showed up |
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| 11:45.29 | nickool | blubberdiblub: sfdisk shows the same result as fdisk. OK. cfdisk is screwed. thks for your suggestions. |
| 11:46.01 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome |
| 11:46.07 | nickool | bye |
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| 11:50.08 | nevyn | ESphynx: so.. blah blah policy blah blah memory consumption blah blah... |
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| 11:51.30 | nevyn | ESphynx: specifically http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s-scripts |
| 11:52.10 | nevyn | ESphynx: and http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-binbash-vs-bindash-vs-binshshell/ |
| 11:52.58 | obiwahn | nevyn: wahts uo? |
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| 11:53.46 | nevyn | obiwahn: ? |
| 11:54.07 | obiwahn | you dislike dash? |
| 11:54.56 | nevyn | not reallyy. |
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| 11:55.35 | nevyn | ESphynx: expects -ne to work from make snippets. |
| 11:55.46 | nevyn | echo -ne specifically |
| 11:55.53 | obiwahn | ^^ |
| 11:56.14 | obiwahn | ESphynx: set shell if you have |
| 11:56.28 | obiwahn | but id use posix in makefiles |
| 11:56.30 | nevyn | obiwahn: I don't care i think portability is good |
| 11:57.08 | niax | afternoon all, any idea as to the status of the patch tracker? |
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| 12:00.40 | halt_ | hi all i have a problem with the rsyslogd |
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| 12:01.51 | halt_ | i tried to separate the iptables sysylog so i added to the rsyslog.conf the following line "ern.=debug /var/log/iptables.log" and the new log is there but it's still in the /var/log/syslog as well |
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| 12:03.16 | gotmynick | halt_, you need to exclude those entries from the syslog definition |
| 12:03.27 | gotmynick | as well as from kern.log possibly |
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| 12:03.56 | gotmynick | and even from debug.log |
| 12:04.57 | halt_ | gotmynick the syslog line look like this "*.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog" |
| 12:05.13 | gotmynick | try something like: |
| 12:05.17 | gotmynick | *.*\ |
| 12:05.27 | gotmynick | kern.!=debug;\ |
| 12:05.39 | gotmynick | auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog |
| 12:06.13 | halt_ | ok htc let me try it |
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| 12:07.14 | blubberdiblub | i think you can't easily separate netfilter log entries from other kernel log entries by just using facility and priority. you'd need to setup netfilter to print some predefined string at the start of the entry and then match for that |
| 12:08.02 | halt_ | cool this works thx gotmynick :) |
| 12:08.27 | gotmynick | halt, you may want a similar modification for other files like "kern.log" and "debug" |
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| 12:08.42 | gotmynick | else logs will be triplicated |
| 12:08.55 | gotmynick | and do not forget to add a logrotate entrie for the new file |
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| 12:09.36 | gotmynick | also see what blubberdiblub said |
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| 12:09.56 | gotmynick | rsyslog rules are more powerful than traditional syslog ones |
| 12:10.18 | gotmynick | and it's easy to skip all other log files once a conditional is matched |
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| 12:14.09 | ludwig | Hallo! |
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| 12:15.15 | ludwig_ | Hallo! |
| 12:15.43 | ludwig_ | I currently try to setup a Moodle environment, which requires to make some uploads. |
| 12:16.32 | ludwig_ | I modified the /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini values for the upload max size, but I can not see the changes have any effect |
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| 12:16.58 | etisfo | ludwig_, did you restart apache +/ php? |
| 12:17.23 | ludwig_ | I made an apache2ctl restart |
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| 12:19.26 | mz|` | any debian dev/ops available ? |
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| 12:19.38 | mz|` | patch-tracker.debian.org is currently down |
| 12:19.52 | ludwig_ | OKOKOK, I found the place |
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| 12:20.08 | ludwig_ | the setting was overwritten in the http-config |
| 12:20.16 | ludwig_ | etisfo, thank you for the support! |
| 12:20.26 | etisfo | :) |
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| 12:23.01 | ludwig_ | bye! |
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| 12:24.35 | grobda24 | Moodle. How does one come up with those kinda names ? |
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| 12:36.22 | boudiccas | i read /var/log/user mails with 'mail', delete those i dont want and the rest are saved to /home/user/mbox, but what can read this mbox please to the individual emails, so that i can then delete those which have been saved wrongly? |
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| 12:44.37 | ksuhku | grobda24, I see you're not familiar with the GNU Image Manipulation Program :) |
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| 12:45.59 | joltcan | boudiccas: mail -f ~/mbox? |
| 12:47.11 | boudiccas | joltcan: ta muchly |
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| 12:58.56 | darkschneider | there is a way to install an old wine version? cause the new version in sid does crash my app. I would, if possible, specifically install an older wine version that was perfectly working just some weeks ago (1.0.1) |
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| 12:59.04 | d3xter | hey guys |
| 12:59.23 | darkschneider | (both wine and wine-unstable show the same bug that stop my app from working) |
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| 13:06.17 | jelly | darkschneider: snapshot.debian.org |
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| 13:32.44 | darkschneider | jelly: thanks i'll try to have a look, my fear is the compatibility with the new wine i have installed using multiarch |
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| 13:33.49 | pawan | KM0201: I'm connected here like you said |
| 13:34.15 | pawan | KM0201: But connecting to irc.debian.org doesn't work for me |
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| 13:34.34 | KM0201 | pawan: i dunno, i don't use irc.debian.org..... |
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| 13:34.45 | KM0201 | never have, i've never known the debian channel to be on irc.debian.org |
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| 13:35.44 | pawan | KM0201: Okay.. Thanks anyways :) |
| 13:35.59 | boudiccas | try irc.oftc.net for the other #debian |
| 13:36.24 | pawan | boudiccas: irc.debian.org is an alias for irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:36.58 | boudiccas | i can connect very easily with irc.oftc.net with pidgin |
| 13:37.08 | pawan | KM0201: Their official website mentions so. XChat has "Debian servers" with that address |
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| 13:37.24 | KM0201 | pawan: not saying it doesn't. |
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| 13:38.00 | KM0201 | pawan: i'm on the irc.oftc.net channel right now. |
| 13:38.03 | KM0201 | seems to work. |
| 13:38.27 | pawan | Hmmm... |
| 13:38.43 | abrotman | Do you have a Debian problem? |
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| 13:39.05 | pawan | I don't have a problem. Just wanted to follow the discussion |
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| 13:43.31 | pawan | Basically this again and again: * Looking up irc.oftc.net |
| 13:43.32 | pawan | * Connecting to irc6.geo.oftc.net (140.211.166.64) port 6667... |
| 13:43.32 | pawan | * Connection failed. Error: Network is unreachable |
| 13:43.32 | pawan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.32 | pawan | * Disconnected (). |
| 13:43.32 | pawan | * Looking up irc.debian.org |
| 13:43.36 | pawan | * Connecting to irc.geo.oftc.net (140.211.166.64) port 6667... |
| 13:44.10 | boudiccas | pawan: what programme are you using for irc? |
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| 13:44.49 | abrotman | pawan: that's a problem with your system or network |
| 13:44.55 | pawan | boudiccas: XChat |
| 13:45.04 | pawan | bouddicas: Don't have Pidgin |
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| 13:45.18 | abrotman | it's a *network* problem |
| 13:45.25 | boudiccas | ah, xchat. i used to have similar problems, but since i've used pidgin they've gone away |
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| 13:45.38 | pawan | abrotman: mmm... Will try other channels then maybe |
| 13:45.52 | abrotman | pawan: can you get to magnet.oftc.net ? |
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| 13:47.02 | abrotman | pawan: and please don't paste in this channel again, please use paste.debian.net |
| 13:47.17 | BobDobalina | Would anyone happen to know if there is an updated hardware compatibility list for Squeeze? I'm looking under the documentation on debian.org and only see the "Linux Hardware Compatibility HOWTO" which seems to be last updated in 2007. |
| 13:47.35 | abrotman | BobDobalina: are you curious about something in particular? |
| 13:47.50 | pawan | abrotman: Cannot get there as well. I'll remember about paste.debian.net |
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| 13:48.33 | BobDobalina | I'd just like to know what laptops and or motherboards would work with Sqeeze right out of the box. Since proprietary firmware is not packaged with Squeeze anymore. |
| 13:48.48 | pawan | abrotman, boudiccas: Cannot connect using Empathy too. Perhaps it's a network problem. |
| 13:48.50 | abrotman | BobDobalina: it's not, but you can get an ISO that does have that firmware |
| 13:48.55 | abrotman | pawan: i think i said that ... |
| 13:49.19 | BobDobalina | abrotman: Is that ISO "officially" supported though? |
| 13:49.35 | abrotman | BobDobalina: no, but it's really just the regular installer with the firmware already in place |
| 13:50.07 | pawan | abrotman: Good for you |
| 13:50.25 | abrotman | BobDobalina: if you wanted a firmware-free box, you'd use something like Intel wired NICs, Atheros WiFi, and Intel video cards |
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| 13:52.57 | abrotman | pawaguess he didn't want help |
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| 13:58.26 | julianh | hi I'm trying to use a hfs mounting works fine. viewing the files does work fine. but writing does not work at all |
| 13:59.07 | julianh | exported is it as rw with sync and insecure. |
| 13:59.41 | julianh | I've created a user on the machine with the same id like my local user. the user on the remote machine has write rights |
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| 14:02.43 | ChrisH | julianh: I assume NFS not Hfs... 2. can you pastebin the setup, error messages incl. id -a for both users; ls -l ; df -h for the beginning |
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| 14:03.03 | julianh | args just found the error |
| 14:03.09 | julianh | my local user is only in the group |
| 14:03.19 | julianh | and the files aren't allowed to be written by group users |
| 14:03.20 | julianh | my fault |
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| 14:03.26 | julianh | didn't saw that :/ |
| 14:03.53 | ChrisH | julianh: Wald, Baeume... you know :)... |
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| 14:04.16 | julianh | of course :D looked at one million things but not AGAIN at the file rights |
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| 14:05.48 | clefebvre | hi, is it possible to force debconf to always ask a question? |
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| 14:06.25 | clefebvre | I'm trying set the "seen" flag to false, but debconf ignores it and "skip" my question... |
| 14:06.48 | gotmynick | maybe a priority issue |
| 14:07.00 | clefebvre | I'm using "critical" |
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| 14:07.33 | tinyhippo | does anyone know where I can find a Debian Bo ISO? |
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| 14:07.55 | abrotman | tinyhippo: floppies? |
| 14:07.55 | somiaj | tinyhippo: archive.debian.net -- though I think bo is old enough you can only get the source code for it. |
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| 14:10.08 | somiaj | oh looks like I ment archive.debian.org |
| 14:10.52 | tinyhippo | somiaj: I think I've found the .bin files for some floppies: http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian-1.3.1/main/disks-i386/1997-10-13/ |
| 14:11.03 | abrotman | right, those aren't ISOs |
| 14:11.11 | abrotman | that's the installatoin media, if oyu have a floppy drive |
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| 14:12.27 | dvs | busts out his 5.25" floppies |
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| 14:13.04 | abrotman | those are 3.5" |
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| 14:14.03 | dvs | I thought 3.5" floppies were 1.44MB in size |
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| 14:15.29 | abrotman | i guess they could have gone on a 5.25" if you had that kind of drive and disk |
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| 14:16.18 | tinyhippo | has some 3.5" floppies |
| 14:16.27 | tinyhippo | 720k 3.5" floppies... |
| 14:16.27 | tinyhippo | >_< |
| 14:17.05 | abrotman | tinyhippo: 1.2MB in some cases |
| 14:17.10 | abrotman | oh .. sorry, nmisread |
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| 14:17.31 | tinyhippo | can you even buy 1.44MB 3.5" floppies any more?? |
| 14:18.09 | Sevet_ | 3.5" could also be 2.88KB, 100MB, 120MB, 240MB... |
| 14:18.17 | abrotman | not quite |
| 14:18.39 | abrotman | LS120 doesn't count |
| 14:18.44 | dvs | 2.88MB might but the others aren't |
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| 14:19.24 | Sevet_ | true, they cheat by using optics too so need special drives, but point was there's quite a range of sizes |
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| 14:19.48 | abrotman | they just had the same form factor, and oculd read floppies |
| 14:19.50 | ansgar | Let's go back to 9". Maybe those have less variety. |
| 14:20.00 | abrotman | 8" |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | tinyhippo: find what you need to install Bo? |
| 14:21.27 | tinyhippo | abrotman: yeah, thanks - now to actually install it! |
| 14:21.37 | abrotman | good luck with that |
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| 14:22.42 | bratner | i'm trying to package an executable that is linked to a library that has no debian package. The build of the package fails on "no dependecy information found for <library path>". can i ask debuild to ignore this? |
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| 14:23.39 | nsadmin | bratner, then you're also building the lib into a package |
| 14:24.13 | nsadmin | or build it into the first package, but that doesn't show thought for the future |
| 14:25.04 | bratner | nsadmin: its intel's library, they provide a shellscript to install it , and i don't really want to maintain it. |
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| 14:25.25 | bratner | any way to make debuild to ignore the dependency? |
| 14:25.56 | nsadmin | what do you intend for the first package? any intent to have it added to debian? |
| 14:26.04 | nsadmin | if no, do anything you want |
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| 14:26.30 | nsadmin | if yes, you'll have to deal with the dep |
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| 14:27.27 | Sevet_ | !tell bratner about equivs |
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| 14:28.37 | Sevet_ | oh wait it's a lib not pkg dependancy... |
| 14:29.49 | davisd | Could someone tell me why some packages have their daemons auto-enbled upon install and some do not? postfix and dovecot-imap created rc?.d symlinks, but with nginx I had to update-rc.d -f nginx defaults. |
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| 14:30.19 | nsadmin | I'd put that as part of "doing anything he wants" and "this package in that form shouldn't be added to debian" |
| 14:31.00 | abrotman | davisd: i don't believe there's a policy stating one or the other, so they DD can do as they wish |
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| 14:34.24 | Sevet | davisd: it would really depend on the maintainer, but at a rough guess essential packages where the default config is usable (eg a mta) might be enabled by default but ones where the default config needs to be customised manually might be disabled by default |
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| 14:36.16 | clefebvre | I can reproduce in debconf-communicate as well |
| 14:36.59 | davisd | abrotman, Sevet, Thank you for the info |
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| 14:37.53 | clefebvre | fset mint-debian-mirrors/choose-mirror seen false, followed by input critical mint-debian-mirrors/choose-mirror, I still get 30 question skipped |
| 14:38.02 | abrotman | clefebvre: this isn't a Mint support channel |
| 14:38.19 | clefebvre | abrotman: that's not a Mint question..? |
| 14:38.27 | abrotman | clefebvre: try #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 14:38.27 | clefebvre | abrotman: it's related to debconf |
| 14:38.34 | abrotman | clefebvre: Debian doesn't use 'mint-debian-mirrors' |
| 14:38.55 | clefebvre | abrotman: that's just the key... the question is about debconf |
| 14:39.01 | clefebvre | abrotman: you can reproduce that with any key |
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| 14:39.22 | User_420 | I have an hp pavilion p7 1120, and I tried a live usb of debian and like it, but it does not recognize my wireless....I think it has something to do with non free firmware? Can anyone possibly help me out? I would really like to try debian as I am trying to get more in depth in my computing knowledge. |
| 14:39.43 | abrotman | clefebvre: that's nice and all, but this channel is for Debian support, not Mint support .. perhaps you could install Debian and reproduce the issue? |
| 14:39.58 | babilen | clefebvre: We do no support Mint in here for a number of technical *and* social reasons. I would recommend to reproduce a similar issue on a Debian system (i.e. no derivative) if you want support in here. |
| 14:39.59 | abrotman | User_420: what is the wifi card? |
| 14:40.20 | User_420 | Ralink RT5390 802.11b/g/n |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | User_420: you're using the squeeze livecd? that won't recognize your card |
| 14:40.54 | User_420 | Do I have to load it onto a cd or another usb? and insert it during install? |
| 14:41.01 | User_420 | abramart: Not sure |
| 14:41.08 | User_420 | abramart: It was the only live usb version |
| 14:41.10 | abrotman | User_420: are you trying to install Debian, or use it as a liveCD ? |
| 14:41.12 | clefebvre | abrotman: ok let me reproduce it in Debian.. just a minute |
| 14:41.17 | abrotman | User_420: abro<tab> |
| 14:41.20 | User_420 | abramart: Install as desktop |
| 14:41.21 | abrotman | clefebvre: a minute? |
| 14:41.27 | clefebvre | yes, 60 sec |
| 14:41.28 | abrotman | User_420: A B R O <TAB> |
| 14:41.28 | User_420 | abrotman: sorry |
| 14:41.55 | abrotman | User_420: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. get a wheezy netinst, try that |
| 14:42.09 | abrotman | !tell User_420 about rt5390 |
| 14:42.10 | dvs | feels sorry for abramart |
| 14:42.21 | User_420 | I thought i was tabbed to the right name lol |
| 14:42.25 | User_420 | I really am sorry =( |
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| 14:44.16 | Sevet | !tell User_420 about installer firmware |
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| 14:44.27 | abrotman | Sevet: that won't help him, at all |
| 14:44.49 | Sevet | oh. too new for squeeze? |
| 14:44.54 | clefebvre | abrotman: ok, it's the same behaviour on wheezy |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | clefebvre: show us |
| 14:45.10 | clefebvre | abrotman: how? |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | .... |
| 14:45.19 | abrotman | isn't playing along |
| 14:45.25 | babilen | Sevet: Yes, that wifi adaptor needs a newer kernel than the one in squeeze. User_420 can therefore either use the wheezy beta installer or kmuto's squeeze. |
| 14:45.40 | clefebvre | abrotman: either there's something I don't understand about debconf or it's broken.. |
| 14:45.43 | dvs | abrotman don't play that? |
| 14:45.57 | abrotman | clefebvre: so check the BTS |
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| 14:46.20 | Sevet | babilen: what about wired squeeze install then 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports? |
| 14:46.36 | clefebvre | abrotman: I only found this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486892 |
| 14:46.43 | babilen | Sevet: That would work as well -- either way User_420 needs a newer kernel for that hardware. |
| 14:46.49 | clefebvre | abrotman: already did, apparently it's working as expected |
| 14:46.51 | User_420 | thanks for the help guys |
| 14:46.58 | User_420 | I will download the beta |
| 14:47.03 | clefebvre | abrotman: there must be something I'm missing... |
| 14:47.25 | clefebvre | abrotman: according to the doc setting the seen flag to false should force the frontend not to skip the question though |
| 14:48.01 | clefebvre | abrotman: is there another channel for debian developers or packagers? or debconf gurus? |
| 14:48.24 | User_420 | abrotman: Why a netinst rather than usb? I dont really know the difference. |
| 14:48.51 | abrotman | clefebvre: #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | User_420: with the netinst, you can get a base system if the network doesn't work for whatever reason |
| 14:49.19 | clefebvre | abrotman: that's a Mint support channel |
| 14:49.20 | User_420 | ah |
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| 14:49.55 | abrotman | clefebvre: yes, that's your distro, and their developers should be able to help you get help for Mint, or they shuld be able to contact the appropriate people to find out why it doesn't work |
| 14:50.11 | clefebvre | abrotman: that's what they're trying to do right now! |
| 14:50.15 | clefebvre | abrotman: are you serious? |
| 14:50.35 | babilen | User_420: I think that you *still* need firmware for that adaptor though which doesn't ship with the wheezy beta installer. I would recommend to download http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-ralink just in case. Are you running the Live CD right now? |
| 14:50.37 | clefebvre | this is so annoying... that rivalry seriously |
| 14:51.18 | boudiccas | clefebvre: Clement, we /only/ support Debian, and nothing else |
| 14:51.28 | clefebvre | you can reproduce this on Wheezy yourself, I just did. Take any debconf key, fset its seen flag to false and try to input it again, you'll get a 30 skipped |
| 14:51.48 | clefebvre | that's fine, I understand that, I don't want Mint support.. I'm asking about debconf |
| 14:51.52 | abrotman | clefebvre: it's not about rivalry .. Do you have any idea how many debian-derived distros there are? and how much they change from the standard debian packages? |
| 14:52.02 | clefebvre | this is in Wheezy |
| 14:52.10 | babilen | clefebvre: It is not a rivalry and our decision for not supporting derivatives in here *at all* is only motivated by a number of technical *and* social reasons. You can /msg me if you want to discuss this further, but I would kindly ask you to just accept this rule and seek support in the appropriate channel. |
| 14:52.25 | abrotman | clefebvre: your original problem is with Mint. |
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| 14:52.38 | clefebvre | I accept that rule perfectly, we're doing the same on our side, I don't want non-debian support, I'm asking about debconf |
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| 14:52.52 | User_420 | babilen: No i am not |
| 14:52.56 | User_420 | babilen: I am on mint |
| 14:53.37 | abrotman | clefebvre: are you 100% sure that Mint has not patched any of the packaging utilities? |
| 14:53.39 | User_420 | babilen: So i need to put that onto a usb, run the installer, and insert that when it asks about firmware during install? |
| 14:53.39 | babilen | User_420: Well, that is good enough. Could you run "dmesg|grep firmware" and paste the output along with that of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 14:53.44 | clefebvre | ok, let me rephrase my question then. On wheezy, fsetting the debconf seen flag to false doesn't prevent debconf from skipping a question, how so? |
| 14:53.50 | User_420 | babilen: sure thing |
| 14:53.54 | clefebvre | abrotman: 300% |
| 14:54.19 | babilen | User_420: That is the theory, yes. But let me check which file you actually need and if it is included in the firmware-ralink package if that is the case. |
| 14:54.28 | clefebvre | abrotman: I can tell you with absolute certainty that Mint does not patch debconf and even if they/we did, this is reproduceable in Wheezy |
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| 14:56.04 | abrotman | i already said i wasn't going to play along, this channel is for Debian support. |
| 14:56.09 | User_420 | chris@chris-p7-1120 ~ $ lspci -nn|grep -i network |
| 14:56.09 | User_420 | 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT5390 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe [1814:5390] |
| 14:56.15 | abrotman | you're barking up the wrong tree with me .. |
| 14:56.16 | User_420 | first command showed nothing |
| 14:56.35 | abrotman | User_420: did you see what the bot told you? |
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| 14:57.15 | User_420 | abrotman: yes |
| 14:57.23 | clefebvre | abrotman: I'll show you how to reproduce since my word isn't enough...tss |
| 14:57.38 | abrotman | clefebvre: your problem is on Mint, I'm not going to help, and htis is growing tiresome |
| 14:57.51 | clefebvre | abrotman: launch a wheezy box, open a terminal, get root shell and type "debconf-communicate", bear with me because this is a DEBCONF issue |
| 14:57.54 | abrotman | User_420: if you follow the references, it tells you which firmware you need |
| 14:57.59 | abrotman | clefebvre: good luck |
| 14:58.36 | clefebvre | abrotman: then type "input critical shared/default-x-display-manager" |
| 14:58.44 | clefebvre | abrotman: you can see it's skipped (which is normal) |
| 14:58.52 | abrotman | clefebvre: if i wanted to support Mint, i'd be in their support channel |
| 14:59.00 | clefebvre | abrotman: now type "fset shared/default-x-display-manager seen false" |
| 14:59.03 | User_420 | abrotman: linux-2.6 3.0.0~rc4-1~experimental.1 this is what i need then is what you are saying? |
| 14:59.10 | abrotman | User_420: no, that's when support began |
| 14:59.15 | clefebvre | abrotman: try to input again.. this time it should ask, but it doesn't. It still skips. |
| 14:59.15 | abrotman | User_420: see the "rt2800pci" |
| 14:59.29 | abrotman | User_420: which gives you the name of the firmware package |
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| 14:59.41 | clefebvre | abrotman: if you behaved like you do here, you'd be kicked over there, we don't appreciate disto-wars |
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| 15:00.15 | sney | clefebvre: the helpers in this channel are volunteers who have decided to support Debian users... it is disrespectful to expect them/us to just support any apt/dpkg distro under the sun, regardless of what it started out as. |
| 15:00.15 | abrotman | clefebvre: we don't appreciate people pretending to run one distro so they can get support in #debian because the support in the channel for their distro is insufficient |
| 15:00.44 | babilen | User_420: abrotman is merely pointing you to the firmware-ralink package I mentioned earlier. I just wanted to check if that package contains the firmware you need (if at all) as the package description doesn't mention your adaptor. |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | clefebvre: and we were more than patient with you, asking you multiple times to go to the Mint support channel |
| 15:00.57 | User_420 | right |
| 15:01.04 | Sevet | !tell clefebvre about based on debian |
| 15:01.36 | babilen | User_420: But just download that package and you should have it ready in the case you need it. Could you paste the entire output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net just in case you need additional firmware? |
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| 15:02.00 | joar | hey guys, my PC seems to have trouble getting the EDIT with a KVM switch. |
| 15:02.11 | abrotman | the EDIT ? |
| 15:02.17 | joar | EDID* |
| 15:02.20 | abrotman | ah there we go |
| 15:02.23 | joar | :) |
| 15:02.28 | User_420 | babilen: k |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | joar: the KVM electronics are not a direct passthru |
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| 15:02.49 | abrotman | not AIUI |
| 15:03.11 | joar | It's worked before, with the card and the KVM. |
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| 15:03.14 | User_420 | babilen: its there |
| 15:03.17 | User_420 | babilen: under this name |
| 15:03.20 | joar | not that that helps, but it serves some context |
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| 15:04.18 | joar | abrotman: AIUI? Anyway, to not do the XY problem thing. I can't set my resolution to anything higher than 640*480 |
| 15:04.25 | abrotman | As I Understand It |
| 15:04.37 | joar | ah, AYUI |
| 15:04.43 | joar | gotcha |
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| 15:06.21 | joar | is searching the web for "linux kvm switch resolution" |
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| 15:07.39 | joar | restart X seems like a solution. |
| 15:08.04 | converge | I have to add this line "sysctl -w kernel.shmmax=536870912" before start postgresql at boot time, where should I put it ? |
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| 15:08.21 | matlads | converge: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 15:09.09 | abrotman | converge: but that line exactly, you just want the latter portion |
| 15:09.26 | joar | How can I "reinstall" the Nvidia drivers via APT? |
| 15:09.39 | abrotman | how did you install them to begin with? |
| 15:09.46 | joar | that is, reapplying any configurations that are shipped with the package |
| 15:09.57 | joar | abrotman: (Probably) sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 15:10.32 | converge | abrotman, matlads: thanks |
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| 15:11.46 | Brigo | abrotman: or maybe sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx --reinstall |
| 15:12.37 | abrotman | Brigo: i do not want help with nviida |
| 15:13.16 | joar | Brigo: I do. |
| 15:14.13 | joar | nvidia does something with kernel modules, will that be done if I do sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx? |
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| 15:15.52 | Brigo | abrotman: sorry :) |
| 15:16.31 | Brigo | joar: nvidia-glx isn't the kernel module, it is the Xorg module |
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| 15:17.08 | joar | nvidia-kernel i sthe kernel module? |
| 15:17.11 | joar | is the |
| 15:17.13 | Brigo | joar: the nvidia kernel module is in package like nvidia-kernel-* |
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| 15:17.24 | drupnoob | i'v installed the i8n module (with all the dependecies), added a new language in regional and language, then went to structure main-menu and configured the menu for translation, and added translations for my links, but when i change the language in the url by appending /en or /es to the url the other content that is translated by entity translation do change, but the main menu doesn't |
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| 15:20.48 | jhutchins_lt | drupnoob: Sounds like you need someone who knows about multi-lingual web page design. |
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| 15:21.16 | drupnoob | jhutchins_lt, nah not really |
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| 15:22.44 | joar | Brigo: All right, I'll try to reinstall that. |
| 15:24.12 | joar | or I'll just override the EDID |
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| 15:31.46 | clem_ | abrotman: I don't want to break rules here, I'm on wheezy on the "clefebvre-wheezy" box, can I ask a question or am I not allowed? If this channel is for people who only ever run Debian and nothing else, I'll understand and leave, just be clear with the rules. |
| 15:32.26 | abrotman | ... |
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| 15:33.12 | vespa | ciao a tutti |
| 15:33.18 | vespa | !list |
| 15:33.18 | dpkg | vespa: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 15:33.30 | boudiccas | talk about ban evasion! thats the most blatant i've seen, even though its avoiding the +q |
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| 15:37.31 | jelly | boudiccas: ma va! |
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| 15:38.07 | jelly | oh, the non-italian guy |
| 15:38.12 | boudiccas | jellyque? |
| 15:38.37 | boudiccas | and i ain't no guy! |
| 15:38.52 | abrotman | uh .. not you |
| 15:38.55 | abrotman | oh, wait .. |
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| 15:44.21 | Rame | Rame, !Ia]DYLMA.CK7LP!J8'F'+uuHsHptW |
| 15:45.22 | Black_Prince | interesting ... |
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| 16:21.07 | LordDeath | any chance to see this in debian? http://nicolargo.github.com/glances/ |
| 16:21.13 | LordDeath | it looks better than htop |
| 16:21.24 | LordDeath | and has also some iotop features |
| 16:21.42 | abrotman | file an RFP |
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| 16:29.23 | Sevet | LordDeath: already has a ubuntu .deb package in a PPA - shouldn't be hard to modify that for debian |
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| 16:38.55 | ImaLamer | exit |
| 16:39.02 | ImaLamer | mt |
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| 16:55.04 | Darky` | hi guys |
| 16:55.26 | Darky` | i can't get any sound out of my debian machine... |
| 16:55.51 | Darky` | could anyone help ? :) |
| 16:56.11 | r3m | ,v prociono |
| 16:56.12 | judd | No package named 'prociono' was found in i386. |
| 16:56.14 | specing | Darky`: /var/log, dmesg, lspci, lsusb, alsamixer,... |
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| 16:56.27 | boudiccas | ni=ot unless you give us more details |
| 16:56.42 | Darky` | well what details do you want ? |
| 16:56.46 | Darky` | i tried vlc and mplayer |
| 16:56.57 | Darky` | they bother seem to work perfectly using alsa |
| 16:57.17 | Darky` | but there's still no sound |
| 16:57.29 | rozie | Darky`: add yourself to audio group, increase volume, unmute, plug in cable |
| 16:57.34 | specing | They work perfectly but there is no sound? |
| 16:57.35 | Darky` | already done |
| 16:57.38 | rozie | may be opposite order |
| 16:57.41 | specing | How is that perfect? |
| 16:57.50 | Darky` | specing: well they don't give me any errors :) |
| 16:58.07 | specing | ha-ha |
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| 16:59.39 | Darky` | rozie: I already did all that |
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| 17:00.16 | rozie | Darky`: rebooted? |
| 17:00.50 | specing | Now that is a solution... |
| 17:01.07 | Darky` | well I actually didn't try rebooting... |
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| 17:02.19 | Darky` | i'll be able to in about 10 minutes |
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| 17:03.33 | specing | *sigh* |
| 17:04.21 | Darky` | while waiting, i'm open to suggestions... |
| 17:04.29 | rozie | well, if he added himself to audio group and hasn't relog... |
| 17:04.38 | rozie | just reboot ;-) |
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| 17:04.52 | specing | Darky`: Is the driver loaded? |
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| 17:05.47 | Darky` | specing: how can I check ? |
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| 17:13.58 | Sevet | does anyone have a debian/watch example for a freshmeat project? |
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| 17:15.54 | Darky` | ok i'm rebooting now |
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| 17:19.35 | Darky | ok i rebooted |
| 17:20.02 | Darky | now when i use mplayer and try to reduce the volume it says "[AO_ALSA] Error setting left channel, Operation not permitted" |
| 17:20.09 | Darky | and i still don't have sound |
| 17:20.40 | boudiccas | you on squeeze? |
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| 17:21.12 | boudiccas | Darky: ^ |
| 17:21.27 | Darky | boudiccas: i'm on testing |
| 17:22.49 | boudiccas | right, Darkyhave you got alsa-utils enabled in the services menubox in the settings menu pon xfce, i dont know what your DE is?] |
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| 17:24.49 | Darky | i don't have X installed |
| 17:24.52 | Darky | no gui |
| 17:25.11 | Darky | it's only supposed to be a server |
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| 17:25.26 | boudiccas | okay, try sudo service alsa-utils start , see if that works |
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| 17:26.00 | Darky | asla-utils: unrecognized service |
| 17:26.23 | boudiccas | is alsa-utils installed? |
| 17:27.15 | Darky | now it is |
| 17:27.19 | Darky | should i reboot ? |
| 17:28.22 | boudiccas | no, test out sound now |
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| 17:28.40 | Darky | yeah but i still get that error message |
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| 17:29.19 | boudiccas | try the sudo service again, maybe it'll work now |
| 17:29.46 | Darky | nope |
| 17:30.00 | Darky | also i'm logged in as root |
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| 17:30.11 | boudiccas | what does that mean? what error message did you get? |
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| 17:30.56 | Darky | well asla-utils: unrecognized service |
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| 17:31.13 | Darky | that's what i get |
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| 17:31.56 | boudiccas | hmm, well i dont know. try to get alsa-mixer up and see if anything is being muted |
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| 17:35.08 | princess | ciao |
| 17:35.16 | princess | !list |
| 17:35.16 | dpkg | princess: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 17:35.52 | Darky | boudiccas: i've turned everything up to 100% in alsamixer |
| 17:36.04 | Darky | and still no sound :/ |
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| 17:36.54 | boudiccas | have you tried another music player? |
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| 17:38.57 | Darky | i just tried vlc again |
| 17:39.00 | Darky | and nothing |
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| 17:39.52 | boudiccas | sorry, i dont know then. you could try writing to the users mail list giving all details and see what they can say |
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| 17:41.48 | boudiccas | and you could try joioning #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask there too |
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| 17:43.58 | Darky | ok thanks for your help |
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| 17:51.05 | simonlnu | speakers plugged in? :) |
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| 17:53.55 | nicfer | hello |
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| 17:54.11 | nicfer | I'm having issues with flash player and midori |
| 17:54.32 | nicfer | videos play with swapped colors |
| 17:54.46 | abrotman | nvidia binary driver? |
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| 17:55.04 | nicfer | nope, html5 videos on firefox work alright |
| 17:55.27 | blubberdiblub | try upgrading the flash plugin, nicfer |
| 17:55.45 | Darky | simonlnu: obviously :) |
| 17:55.53 | nicfer | I'm using the last version |
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| 17:56.25 | blubberdiblub | which version is it, nicfer? |
| 17:56.44 | nicfer | 11.2 |
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| 17:57.13 | blubberdiblub | nicfer, i meant the full package version |
| 17:57.45 | nicfer | 11.2.202.236 |
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| 17:59.29 | blubberdiblub | nicfer, well, i've got 3:11.2.202.238-dmo2 here. i'm on wheezy, tho |
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| 18:04.12 | simonlnu | gotta check all the layers ;) |
| 18:04.48 | dvs | lawyers!?! |
| 18:04.51 | dvs | hides |
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| 18:25.03 | onlylove | I have a problem ,is here anyone who has used a wcdma modem? |
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| 18:25.42 | boudiccas | !anyone |
| 18:25.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 18:28.09 | onlylove | dpkg: popcon |
| 18:28.09 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package |
| 18:30.10 | abrotman | ugh ... |
| 18:31.00 | boudiccas | ey up, abrotmanhas just woken up! :) |
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| 18:31.05 | abrotman | not quite |
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| 18:32.55 | onlylove | i have a zte mf100 wcdma modem ,i use wvdial to dial but it retuns pppd died exit code 16 |
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| 18:34.23 | onlylove | i have read the pppd manual,but i still can't resolve it |
| 18:34.49 | protist | anyone here running Debian on an ultrabook?...if so which ultrabook, and have you had any compatibility/driver issues? |
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| 18:35.38 | abrotman | i run it on a netbook, but guess that' snot the same |
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| 18:37.24 | protist | abrotman: i have it on a netbook as well :)...and with a monitor hooked up and wireless keyboard |
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| 18:38.03 | abrotman | right, but not what you were asking about |
| 18:38.33 | genoskill | how can i play 0ad on debian squeeze |
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| 18:39.41 | joar | genoskill: Download it from wheezy |
| 18:39.46 | abrotman | ... |
| 18:39.50 | abrotman | that likely won't work |
| 18:39.59 | joar | via APT |
| 18:40.12 | joar | sudo apt-get -t wheezy 0ad |
| 18:40.23 | abrotman | that's how you break a system |
| 18:40.28 | joar | yes |
| 18:40.38 | joar | I have that setup with wheezy/sid |
| 18:40.45 | abrotman | nevermind that your command is broken |
| 18:40.46 | dvs | So why did you suggest it? |
| 18:40.46 | joar | It's... wonky. |
| 18:40.54 | abrotman | joar: you're not helping him |
| 18:40.57 | joar | well, it hasn't actually broken something yet. |
| 18:41.10 | joar | but I get a wonky feeling. |
| 18:41.15 | abrotman | don't suggest it for others |
| 18:41.23 | joar | it's working for me. |
| 18:41.34 | joar | the wonkyness is inside me. |
| 18:41.50 | joar | my machine seems to be fine. |
| 18:42.07 | joar | except for my EDID issues with the KVM, but it can't be blamed on that. |
| 18:42.15 | boudiccas | but you're already running wheezy and he's running squeeze |
| 18:42.41 | joar | boudiccas: Yes, so wheezy/sid, and squeeze/wheezy, since 0ad is in the wheezy repos |
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| 18:43.09 | joar | I think I have the entire audio stack installed from sid. |
| 18:43.33 | joar | libpulse, libavcodec, etc. |
| 18:43.34 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport 0ad |
| 18:43.36 | abrotman | joar: you're not helping the person .. |
| 18:43.41 | judd | Backporting package 0ad in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libenet-dev (>= 1.3), libmozjs185-dev, libnvtt-dev. |
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| 18:43.58 | joar | abrotman: *is it not worth a try?* |
| 18:43.59 | abrotman | joar: installing binary packages from wheezy on squeeze will likely result in a busted OS |
| 18:44.06 | abrotman | joar: no, it's really not |
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| 18:44.17 | tremon | joar: the difference between wheezy and sid is only 1 month, between squeeze and wheezy is 2.5 years |
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| 18:44.28 | jelly-home | joar: you don't want to be responsible for breaking other people's systems that way |
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| 18:45.09 | joar | it's been working fine for me, genoskill: If you want to try it, try it on your own risk, as other people have pointed out, it's a risky operation. |
| 18:45.27 | abrotman | joar: please stop |
| 18:45.32 | boudiccas | its a fatal and stupid operation |
| 18:45.34 | abrotman | it's going to break his box |
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| 18:45.55 | abrotman | genoskill: i would ignore everything that joar has told you. I'd never do something that silly on any box I want to use |
| 18:46.01 | joar | abrotman: You're not helping me realize why it is a bad idea. |
| 18:46.12 | abrotman | joar: You're not using squeeze!!!!!! |
| 18:46.39 | joar | abrotman: I'm still not feeling the realizations. |
| 18:46.43 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 18:46.50 | abrotman | joar: try it yourself, let us know how it works |
| 18:46.59 | joar | so, *why* does it matter that I am not running squeeze? |
| 18:47.07 | jelly-home | joar: installing or enabling testing or sid repos on a stable system, ruins the update system for stable |
| 18:47.21 | joar | jelly-home: Thank you! |
| 18:47.23 | genoskill | will it work with the free driver? |
| 18:47.25 | kwork | jelly-home: we have preference for that |
| 18:47.31 | jelly-home | kwork: no, we don't |
| 18:47.37 | abrotman | kwork: which sort of works, doesn't really |
| 18:47.45 | kwork | havent broken my system yet |
| 18:47.49 | abrotman | yet ... |
| 18:47.54 | kwork | even thought i have squeeze/testing/unstable on it |
| 18:48.03 | jelly-home | kwork: they don't do what you hope they do, esp. wrt mixing binary packages from stable and anything else |
| 18:48.48 | jelly-home | kwork: eg. such a system would likely fail to get any security updates for libc6 applied |
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| 18:49.33 | kwork | jelly-home: why not, when the newer branches have lower pin priority |
| 18:50.01 | jelly-home | kwork: because you've already installed a "later" version than a security update |
| 18:50.10 | joar | abrotman: You can't tell somebody who believes in something that the belief is wrong and make the person accept that it is wrong without pointing out the flaws of the belief. |
| 18:50.37 | kwork | jelly-home: but i havent installed newer version of libc, im just sayng that having them all in apt and installing something new doesnmt mean that i have updated my core libs |
| 18:50.46 | jelly-home | kwork: oh, but you have. |
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| 18:51.04 | joar | at least not without intimidating them, but that will still not make them change their belief, only make them back down. |
| 18:51.12 | jelly-home | kwork: most other packages will pull a newer libc as a dependency |
| 18:51.40 | abrotman | joar: your method that you are touting as owrking on your system isn't really related to what the OP asked ... |
| 18:51.45 | jelly-home | kwork: it's not a workable proposition for a user not already aware of all the caveats |
| 18:51.58 | kwork | jelly-home: i agree to that |
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| 18:52.02 | jelly-home | ?too many negatives error |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | joar: and our goal here is to help people .. not give them potentially harmful ideas that may render the whole OS useless |
| 18:52.30 | kwork | maybe installing wheezy to chroot and installing 0ad to there ? |
| 18:52.35 | jelly-home | kwork: thus, the generic help offered in here will frown quite a bit when someone suggests such an approach |
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| 18:52.49 | jelly-home | a chroot is sane |
| 18:53.24 | abrotman | -er |
| 18:53.38 | jelly-home | no, it's definitely sane |
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| 18:54.23 | genoskill | joar, what packages do i have to install first from squeeze ??? |
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| 18:54.52 | joar | abrotman: According to http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/LatestReleaseLinux#Debian, the 0ad package is in the wheezy repos. I have tried the technique I suggested without error, although I have been feeling like something's bad is going to happen, nothing has happened yet. There was some confusion early in the discussion ("yes") due to me accepting your critique as the truth, I then continued to tell you the anecdotes, but got no arguments against the tec |
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| 18:55.17 | boudiccas | genoskill: he's runnign wheezy and not squeeze so he probably dont know |
| 18:55.31 | genoskill | boudiccas, ah |
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| 18:56.26 | joar | genoskill: I haven't tried 0ad, I have only tried the method of having multiple repos in your APT configuration, which enables you to download packages from both versions. As you may be aware of, this isn't generally recommended. |
| 18:57.01 | boudiccas | it will cock up the upgrade [ath to wheezy when it becomes stable |
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| 18:57.08 | boudiccas | path |
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| 18:57.27 | joar | genoskill: Have you seen this thread? http://www.wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=15186 |
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| 18:58.35 | gimpy68 | Does anyone know how to boost audio volume in Squeeze with alsa? |
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| 19:00.04 | genoskill | joar, no |
| 19:00.24 | Flynn | Anyone know how to get usb0 to work on a Debian businesscard iso netinstall |
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| 19:00.54 | Flynn | or should it automatically work? |
| 19:00.57 | abrotman | genoskill: really, ignore him, it will just mess up your box |
| 19:01.42 | joar | genoskill: Either you could check out the thread, or you could try to install all the packages 0ad depends upon (https://gist.github.com/c964af4400420ef9c02e), and then manually install 0ad from the binary package. |
| 19:01.51 | joar | Unless that also will break your upgrade. |
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| 19:02.30 | boudiccas | yes, it will. it will create a 'frankendebian' |
| 19:02.36 | boudiccas | !frankendebian |
| 19:02.37 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 19:03.26 | Flynn | Anyoneable to help? |
| 19:03.32 | genoskill | abrotman, So i guess i just have to bore to death |
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| 19:03.46 | joar | genoskill: Then your only options are to compile all the dependencies and 0ad outside the packaging system. |
| 19:04.01 | joar | .. or do a dist-upgrade to wheezy. |
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| 19:04.28 | joar | you don't need to compile all the dependencies, only those that aren't in your repos. |
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| 19:04.56 | abrotman | jsut libmozjs ... |
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| 19:05.52 | em | hi there |
| 19:06.12 | genoskill | joar, there is no libnvtt2 on squeeze, i'm doomed |
| 19:06.56 | equex | has anyone here tried debian on a Gigabyte-fxa-990-ud7 board? because the HC list only states -ud3 and -ud5. so i was wondering if it works at all or if some features of the board will be unavailable (like the onboard Marvell RAID controller i could suspect) |
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| 19:09.48 | boudiccas | genoskill: what does 0ad do? |
| 19:10.00 | boudiccas | maybe there is an alternative thats working on squeeze? |
| 19:10.01 | jelly-home | it's a game, boudiccas |
| 19:10.17 | boudiccas | ah, fair enough |
| 19:10.28 | jelly-home | koules is probably not an adequate alternative |
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| 19:20.19 | Flynn | Anyone know where i can get a CLI Debian ISO |
| 19:20.32 | Shou | Does anyone know any good PCI / PCI-E Wi-Fi cards that work with Debian? I'm not sure if there's a better channel for this, but if there is then feel free to point me to it. |
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| 19:23.16 | rockon | Shou:http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 19:25.54 | abrotman | flygrrr |
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| 19:26.55 | jelly-home | fly, robin, fly |
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| 19:40.45 | FDFlock | Hello. Is there any way to have bash start in a particular directory, other than putting "cd /d/i/r" in .bashrc? I'm asking because doing so (predictably) breaks nautilus-open-terminal... |
| 19:40.49 | streuner_ | jelly-home: mpg321 http://87.230.55.91:7592 |
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| 19:41.43 | jelly-home | that's... not 80s disco. |
| 19:41.57 | streuner_ | jelly-home: its Krautrock |
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| 19:43.56 | FDFlock | Hmm, I think I can do it with pushd/popd, if I can modify the nautilus extension itself... |
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| 19:47.50 | FDFlock | Are nautilus extensions binaries? |
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| 19:49.09 | gotmynick | FDFlock, I don't know such extension, but if it breaks by a cd... maybe... use some conditional for the cd? if [[ -z $SOME_ENV_VAR_NAUTILUS_USES ]]; then cd ... |
| 19:49.16 | streuner_ | FDFlock: why do you asking at all? |
| 19:49.35 | engla | nautilus extensions are loadable code, either .so or .py |
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| 19:53.43 | FDFlock | engla: Yes, find / -iname '*open-terminal*' revealed it is a .so file :( |
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| 19:54.11 | FDFlock | streuner_: if it was a script I would modify it |
| 19:54.28 | gotmynick | try: echo ${!NAUTILUS_*} # in a terminal open from such extension |
| 19:54.31 | FDFlock | gotmynick: Hmm, good idea! |
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| 19:54.39 | gotmynick | then use a conditional over one of that variables |
| 19:56.06 | FDFlock | gotmynick: That's a great idea! Unfortunately, echo returns empty |
| 19:56.16 | gotmynick | oooo |
| 19:56.39 | gotmynick | try "env" and see if there is some usable variable |
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| 19:56.49 | FDFlock | yes, with grep |
| 19:56.58 | FDFlock | is trying |
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| 19:57.06 | gotmynick | or if the value of some variable changes from xterminal sessions to nautilis terminals |
| 19:59.29 | nkuttler | nice work.. nginx backport telling me to increase proxy_headers_hash_max_size and then unknown directive "proxy_headers_hash_max_size:" ... |
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| 20:00.17 | gotmynick | ah, as far as I can see, nautilus uses environment variables for "nautilus scripts", not necessarily for extensions. |
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| 20:00.37 | gotmynick | nkuttler, maybe: report a bug ? |
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| 20:01.13 | nkuttler | gotmynick: superfluous colon |
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| 20:01.24 | FDFlock | gotmynick: Great! There is WINDOWID that's different and useless (obviously), but GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PIDGIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID |
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| 20:01.45 | gotmynick | nkuttler, ah fine. I was going to say "maybe the directive is in the wrong place" too |
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| 20:02.15 | FDFlock | oops sorry for the accidental paste; I meant GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE, GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE_PID and OLDPWD are possible candidates |
| 20:02.17 | nkuttler | still odd an error would suggest an incorrect syntax |
| 20:03.54 | frikinz | nkuttler: are you sure you're using the proper syntax? the leading ':' seems strange in the error message |
| 20:04.05 | nkuttler | frikinz: already fixed |
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| 20:04.33 | frikinz | nkuttler: ok. too slow :) |
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| 20:11.10 | enkrypt | I've got a riddle: got a new HP laptop (intel ivy bridge, intel 4000 HD GPU). when I execute "pm-suspend" by hand, it works perfectly fine. when I put the system into suspend using the power button, it works fine. but when I close the laptop lid, the laptop fails to come out of sleep upon opening, the screen just freezes. any ideas what is going on? |
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| 20:14.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | By default reprepro makes copies of packages that you add to the local repository pool. Is there a way, such as a flag, in order to have it move them rather than copy, which would be much faster. |
| 20:15.35 | simonlnu | what do you mean copy? i only see it mv them. |
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| 20:16.13 | simonlnu | if it does cp, then it's doing an atomis move, to minimise corruption |
| 20:16.20 | simonlnu | atmoic even |
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| 20:45.39 | FDFlock | gotmynick: I was AFAIK, but now I changed the last line of my .bashrc from "cd /foo/bar" to "if [ ${GIO_LAUNCHED_DESKTOP_FILE} != '/usr/share/applications/nautilus.desktop' ] ; then cd /foo/bar; fi" which is a bit awkward but is working perfectly! So, thank you! :D |
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| 20:48.26 | enkidu | hello. how many times dumb aptitude would uninstall wine-bin:i386 and install wine-bin-amd64 placeholder? each time I got to update system, I have wine uninstalled that way |
| 20:48.44 | simonlnu | file a bug |
| 20:48.54 | simonlnu | check first |
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| 20:49.42 | un214 | I get "the following packages have been kept back: wine" |
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| 20:51.01 | simonlnu | aptitude why wine |
| 20:51.49 | enkidu | I see someone filed similiar bug. |
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| 20:52.30 | enkidu | for now I gonna use workaround: VBox with winxp... |
| 20:52.55 | tremon | enkidu: wine and aptitude don't mix, at least not on amd64 |
| 20:53.27 | tremon | it's because wine is packaged as a multi-arch package only, and aptitude doesn't yet handle multiarch |
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| 20:54.41 | tremon | (referring to wheezy, of course) |
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| 20:55.37 | rgenito | just like there is an /etc/init.d ... is there a directory to register scripts for when the system shuts down? |
| 20:56.09 | tremon | rgenito: same place. poweroff is runlevel 0, reboot is runlevel 6 |
| 20:56.27 | rgenito | ooooh i see |
| 20:56.42 | rgenito | so when you state "runlevel 0", that runs right at the beginning of boot, and right at the end of boot? |
| 20:56.49 | rgenito | err, sorry: |
| 20:57.00 | rgenito | runlevel 0 = right at beginning of boot, and right at end of shutdown ? |
| 20:57.18 | rgenito | i'll probably find a good wikipedia article on this :D |
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| 20:57.28 | tremon | not beginning of boot, beginning of poweroff |
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| 20:57.47 | rgenito | ahh. |
| 20:57.54 | rgenito | what is "beginning of boot"? is that runlevel 1? |
| 20:58.02 | tremon | http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-and-ubuntu-linux-run-levels.html would be a start |
| 20:58.42 | rgenito | sweet, thanks tremon |
| 20:58.47 | tremon | beginning of boot is runlevel N I believe (not sure though), from there it goes to either runlevel 1 (single-user) or 2 (multi-user). Other runlevels are unused in debian |
| 20:58.53 | gotmynick | FDFlock, n.p. have fun :) |
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| 20:59.23 | rgenito | i see |
| 20:59.51 | rgenito | so if i have a daemon running, i'll obviously want to shut it down properly on runlevel 0, and as well do the same on runlevel 6 |
| 21:00.41 | tremon | yes. You may further want to read /etc/init.d/skeleton, man update-rc.d and (on wheezy) man insserv |
| 21:00.55 | rgenito | saweeeet |
| 21:01.18 | wjtaylor_ | Can someone confirm an issue w/ gnome in squeeze? |
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| 21:02.16 | wjtaylor_ | If the recording inputs are unmuted, they are remuted automatically when the volume control is closed. Can someone confirm this? |
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| 21:07.12 | un214 | tremon: so out of curiosity if I added a 5 (which I did) would that break stuff? |
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| 21:09.14 | tremon | un214: add a 5 where? |
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| 21:09.56 | genoskill | what are the advantages of keeping the cdrom line in sources.list??? |
| 21:10.09 | dvs | genoskill: if you have a connection to the Internet, none. |
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| 21:12.04 | un214 | tremon: inittab |
| 21:12.06 | dioz | why so frozen? |
| 21:12.12 | genoskill | dvs, thank you |
| 21:12.15 | dvs | np |
| 21:13.05 | tremon | un214: in theory runlevel 2-5 are supposed to be the same, so nothing should break. However, runlevel 5 isn't used in debian so will not receive much testing |
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| 21:14.18 | un214 | ah well I don't think there's a single stock line left in my inittab |
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| 21:15.39 | tremon | it's a little late to start asking "will it break" then ;) |
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| 21:21.16 | obiwahn | un214: you can do cool stuff with agetty rungetty |
| 21:22.00 | un214 | tremon: point taken |
| 21:22.01 | obiwahn | i use that + ccze to put coloirzed logs on ctrl+alt+F>9 |
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| 21:22.45 | nick | hi |
| 21:23.31 | obiwahn | un214: and use init q do not reboot to test init:P |
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| 21:24.00 | Guest91835 | how do you tell curl to only pick specific file extensions? |
| 21:25.03 | un214 | wonders if obiwahn knows what init=/bin/sh is for |
| 21:25.34 | Guest91835 | something like curl -# -A .mp4 -O -L 'http://videarn.com/video.php?id=[1771611-1771611]' |
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| 21:26.00 | Guest91835 | the -A .mp4 doesnt work of course thats for wget |
| 21:26.18 | Guest91835 | how do i download these sets of files? Any help would be appreciated |
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| 21:26.53 | carp3 | Hi, my server output this to syslog repeatedly. what's wrong ? and it lost internet connectivity when this happen . Sep 3 23:10:24 Station-S3 kernel: [173148.455509] r8169 0000:03:00.0: eth0: link up |
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| 21:27.22 | un214 | I'm quite glad that rm -rf / is harmless these days |
| 21:27.29 | Guest91835 | lol |
| 21:27.49 | Guest91835 | sudo rm -rf / |
| 21:27.55 | un214 | still harmless |
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| 21:28.34 | Guest91835 | un214: do you know about curl / wget at all? |
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| 21:29.13 | un214 | wget but only just |
| 21:29.20 | un214 | all I do is read man pages |
| 21:29.58 | obiwahn | un214: rooting your system:P |
| 21:29.59 | Guest91835 | Indeed the obvious starting point, want to use either wget or curl to download some videos |
| 21:30.16 | Guest91835 | a range of videos* |
| 21:30.26 | Guest91835 | something like curl -# -A .mp4 -O -L 'http://videarn.com/video.php?id=[1771611-1771611]' |
| 21:30.33 | un214 | I don't understand obiwahn |
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| 21:30.54 | obiwahn | that is waht init=/bin/sh is for |
| 21:31.19 | un214 | ah yes I failed to check scrollback -- anyway it's for fixing broken initscripts |
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| 21:32.00 | Guest91835 | any sugesstions greatly appreciated |
| 21:32.17 | obiwahn | un214: more interesting who calls that? |
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| 21:32.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is there a wiki page or something that lists known compatible graphics chips? I have a new laptop and everything works on squeeze with a backported kernel and non-free intel wifi firmware package. Everything except for 3D acceleration. I need to verify if the Intel HD 4000 graphics are supported or not. |
| 21:32.46 | obiwahn | LinuxGuy2009: it is |
| 21:33.02 | un214 | obiwhan: an admin script that tried to remove / when removing home directories |
| 21:33.09 | rgenito | awwww man... i am logged in as a normal user, and i type "go report", and i get the error go: command not found |
| 21:33.20 | rgenito | err wait, i guess i dont have /usr/bin in my path? |
| 21:33.24 | tremon | LinuxGuy2009: you may need the backported xorg for that |
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| 21:33.29 | rgenito | wait, i do >[ |
| 21:33.34 | rgenito | any ideas why this is happening? |
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| 21:33.52 | rgenito | doing "ls -l |grep go" shows me that "go" is there: |
| 21:34.08 | rgenito | oh wait i see |
| 21:34.09 | rgenito | hehe |
| 21:34.12 | un214 | do you have . in your path? |
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| 21:34.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | tremon: Yes I also tried the backported xorg. But it still failed on 3D acceleration. |
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| 21:35.20 | rgenito | un214: the problem was because i linked "go" incorrectly (the link /usr/bin/go referenced a path that didn't exist) |
| 21:36.08 | un214 | could be worse -- /usr/bin/go -> go |
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| 21:36.32 | obiwahn | go? |
| 21:36.36 | obiwahn | like google go? |
| 21:36.50 | obiwahn | wtf is go? i know gold |
| 21:37.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | Wheezy is too unstable for my new laptop so its a no go. |
| 21:37.17 | obiwahn | lol |
| 21:37.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im not sure what to do to get 3D working. |
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| 21:37.52 | obiwahn | LinuxGuy2009: i am happily using sid for years |
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| 21:38.07 | obiwahn | wheezy should be ok |
| 21:38.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is it possible that I need a Xorg configuration file or something so that I can force the backported intel driver. Or something simaler? |
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| 21:38.58 | obiwahn | i do not need a config file |
| 21:38.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | obiwahn: If testing doesnt work for me Im pretty sure sid would be worse. |
| 21:39.10 | tremon | LinuxGuy2009: you could ask #dri for the minimal required versions of kernel, X and mesa |
| 21:39.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.57 | obiwahn | rgenito: what is go? is it some custom executable? |
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| 21:40.35 | obiwahn | if so - why the hell is it in /usr/bin and not /usr/local/bin |
| 21:40.47 | obiwahn | or /opt |
| 21:40.51 | obiwahn | some sane prefix |
| 21:42.16 | specing | Is there a mirror out there that has identical packages as on squeeze 6 install DVDs? |
| 21:42.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | One other thing I wondered is when I add backports to my sources, do I just install the needed packages and then remove or disable that source after that so that it doesnt break the system later? |
| 21:42.40 | specing | Im interested in metadata (Packages.gz,...) |
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| 21:43.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | specing: Packages.gz is on every mirror. |
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| 21:44.17 | specing | LinuxGuy2009: Yeah but Im not sure if the versions correspond to what I currently have |
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| 21:44.40 | tremon | LinuxGuy2009: backports has a lower priority than main, so nothing should break if you keep it. Moreover, if you remove the backports reference you will no longer receive updates for the package |
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| 21:48.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | tremon: OK |
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| 21:52.50 | rgenito | obiwahn: "if so - why the hell ...", come on man, no need for vulgar language. |
| 21:53.36 | kisisten | hi, for bash customization which file do I edit .profile or .bashrc ? |
| 21:53.37 | rgenito | but what you say makes sense, thanks for pointing that ut. |
| 21:53.38 | rgenito | out* |
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| 21:54.43 | Greek-Boy | I'm working on a remote server running Debian. I would like to know what to inspect/check in order to do upgrade-from-grub-legacy. I have just finished doing a dist-upgrade. |
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| 22:02.22 | format_c | cheers |
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| 22:06.07 | Evi1john1 | Anyone know of any US webstores to by debian merch besides cafepress? |
| 22:06.45 | Greek-Boy | I'm working on a remote server running Debian. I would like to know what to inspect/check in order to do upgrade-from-grub-legacy. I have just finished doing a dist-upgrade. |
| 22:06.48 | abrotman | Evi1john1: depends on your country |
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| 22:07.45 | Evi1john1 | Well I was look for a United States Webstore because shipping takes a while from other countries |
| 22:07.48 | vivid | Greek-Boy: is it even necessary? seems like the risk-reward in that situation doesnt balance out |
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| 22:44.51 | genoskill | how can i access to debconf(7) manual |
| 22:45.24 | abrotman | man 7 debconf |
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| 22:49.03 | acu | hey guys - is there any built for wheezy or sid with a a later kernel version than 3.2.03 ? |
| 22:49.11 | genoskill | abrotman, thanks. what the numbers mean |
| 22:49.18 | abrotman | man man |
| 22:49.20 | acu | !custom built kernel |
| 22:49.26 | abrotman | acu: no |
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| 22:50.10 | acu | abrotman: thanks - I was looking at Kenshi Muto - he has quite new kernel for Debian Squeeze |
| 22:50.23 | acu | I guess sid has 3.2-03 ? |
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| 22:51.26 | abrotman | acu: kmuto uses the kernel from testing, which is 3.2.x |
| 22:51.55 | Greek-Boy | how do I know if I'm booting legacy grub or grub2? |
| 22:52.12 | jagginess | Greek-Boy, it says on bootup if its grub1/grub2 |
| 22:52.19 | jagginess | (grub2 shows up on the top of the menu) |
| 22:52.25 | dvs | or 1.98\ |
| 22:52.28 | jagginess | (not sure if i remember if grub1 does, but i bet it does) |
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| 22:52.56 | ken3 | HELLO |
| 22:53.05 | Greek-Boy | jagginess: I'm in a remote server... |
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| 22:53.31 | ken3 | maybe some1 can help with openvpn at squeeze? |
| 22:53.33 | ken3 | Mon Sep 3 18:30:23 2012 RESOLVE: Cannot resolve host address: 2a01:*.*.*.*.*: [HOST_NOT_FOUND] The specified host is unknown. |
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| 22:53.48 | jagginess | Greek-Boy, let me guess, you're messing around with your friend's machine |
| 22:53.51 | ken3 | i get it every time i enter ipv6 address instead ipv4 in openvpn client |
| 22:53.57 | abrotman | ken3: is that the client or the server ? |
| 22:54.00 | ken3 | client |
| 22:54.17 | ken3 | and it have native ipv6 address |
| 22:54.18 | ken3 | at eth0 |
| 22:54.21 | Dagger2 | ken3: only very recent versions of openvpn have full IPv6 support |
| 22:54.29 | ken3 | i've installed latest |
| 22:54.33 | abrotman | ken3: tried to see if you have a full route via v6 ? |
| 22:54.33 | ken3 | 2.3 alpha |
| 22:54.54 | ken3 | ping6 works normally, other programs also |
| 22:55.06 | Greek-Boy | jagginess: lol. I know it sounds like that but I'm actually working on a server. It's just my first upgrade from lenny to squeeze. |
| 22:55.06 | ken3 | i can show y route |
| 22:55.10 | ken3 | my route table |
| 22:55.44 | ken3 | but every programs works just fine. only openvpn client keeeps this error |
| 22:56.24 | Greek-Boy | jagginess: To complicate things further, I'm running xen Dom0 and DomU's on that machine. Someone suggested that I use legacy grub and move to PvGrub. |
| 22:57.38 | ken3 | well, ip route and route shows only IPV4 things |
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| 22:57.48 | ken3 | i dont see any ipv6 related in these prints |
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| 22:58.05 | Dagger2 | ken3: it looks like the kind of error you get from software that doesn't do v6 (assuming that the address is actually a valid address. if it's literally '2a01:*.*.*.*.*' then it's obviously not going to work) |
| 22:58.13 | Dagger2 | ken3: `ip -6 r` |
| 22:58.42 | ken3 | root@li517-191:~# ip -6 r |
| 22:58.42 | ken3 | 2a01:7e00::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 expires 43133sec |
| 22:58.42 | ken3 | fe80::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256 |
| 22:58.42 | ken3 | default via fe80::1 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 1024 expires 1746sec |
| 22:58.47 | ken3 | its ok i think |
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| 22:59.51 | ken3 | and yes, its linode. hope its not linode-related, lol |
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| 23:01.35 | ken3 | Dagger2, i also tried to assumee that address as vhost at /etc/hosts and just done 'remote blabla' |
| 23:01.38 | ken3 | gave same error |
| 23:01.49 | tuvwx | aptitude search excersice: how can i list all packages installed from sid/unstable (testing and unstable sources) ? |
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| 23:02.16 | abrotman | tuvwx: use the ~o |
| 23:02.35 | Dagger2 | ken3: can you try with the latest git master revision? |
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| 23:02.45 | tuvwx | abrotman: ~o (obsolete) or ~O (origin)? |
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| 23:03.23 | marcin | Hi |
| 23:03.36 | derdon | hello, I have debian testing installed on a ThinkPad L520. The problem: W-LAN does not work! Here is the output of "iwconfig wlan0": http://bpaste.net/show/43643/ |
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| 23:03.39 | ken3 | Dagger2, i thought that http://repos.openvpn.net/repos/apt/squeeze-snapshots had latest git version |
| 23:03.42 | ken3 | i will try |
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| 23:04.26 | abrotman | tuvwx: sorry ~O |
| 23:04.34 | abrotman | derdon: did you install the firmwar e? |
| 23:04.45 | derdon | abrotman: yes, I did. |
| 23:04.45 | tuvwx | abrotman: or did you mean ~A (archive)? ~A matches unstable, but i can't figure out how to list packages that are installed FROM unstable. ~i~Aunstable lists packages that are installed and present in unstable, regardless of which version is installed |
| 23:04.50 | Dagger2 | ken3: honestly I'm not sure, I haven't used ovpn recently. those do certainly *look* recent enough though |
| 23:05.04 | abrotman | tuvwx: oh, you might be right |
| 23:05.24 | derdon | firmware and drivers are installed. rebooted after that |
| 23:05.28 | ken3 | Dagger2, thank you anyway. I think this is not a comum problem still. |
| 23:05.40 | ken3 | i willl try latest git |
| 23:06.19 | ken3 | i will also post this issue on openvpn forum |
| 23:06.53 | Dagger2 | ken3: #ipv6 might know more, although I suspect you might get the same "use a very recent version" response |
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| 23:07.58 | derdon | kernel is also quite new, 3.5.3 |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | tuvwx: i believe origin will do the host |
| 23:08.18 | abrotman | tuvwx: let me double check |
| 23:08.56 | derdon | I even downloaded and installed the latest compat-wireless from the linuxwireless project |
| 23:09.28 | abrotman | tuvwx: well, ~O is sort of vague, might work .. but the archive seems more legit, though that may only work if currently in sync ? |
| 23:09.52 | derdon | gonna install firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree now, just to be sure |
| 23:10.03 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: Do you run gnome? |
| 23:10.16 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: gnome3, yes |
| 23:10.50 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: Is that the stock desktop for squeeze? |
| 23:10.57 | abrotman | no |
| 23:11.26 | tuvwx | abrotman: ~O can tell whether the archive is a debian archive or not. so i don't think it will work. ~A is what i want, but it matches all packages in an archive, on the package name, not the version. so ~i~Aunstable lists all installed packages that have *a* version in unstable, whether that version is the one installed or not |
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| 23:11.53 | abrotman | tuvwx: just says ~O is a regex .. doesn't say which field it checks i don't think .. |
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| 23:12.27 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: can you check your volume control for me? Unmute any record inputs. close. Open and see if they are still muted. This would be a HUGE help to me. |
| 23:13.06 | abrotman | tuvwx: tuvwx oh, there's an 'Origin' field in the file :) |
| 23:13.17 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: i use gnome3, not gnome2 ... |
| 23:13.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | When I boot up what command do I run to check what video driver is being used? |
| 23:13.25 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: is linux-sound-base installed ? |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:13.55 | wjtaylor_ | yes. Output is fine, it's just a problem with input. I'll move to gnome 3 if the issue doesn't exist. |
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| 23:14.47 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:14.53 | tuvwx | abrotman: which file? |
| 23:14.56 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: you can't just move to gnome3 .. and my sound worked in gnome2 and gnome3 |
| 23:15.00 | abrotman | input and output |
| 23:15.22 | wjtaylor_ | abrotman: where would the sound logs be found? |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | tuvwx: grep "Origin:" /var/lib/apt/lists/* |
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| 23:15.44 | abrotman | wjtaylor_: /var/log/ .. syslog or messages |
| 23:15.51 | wjtaylor_ | ok thx |
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| 23:16.53 | tuvwx | abrotman: only thing next to Origin: is 'debian' |
| 23:17.13 | abrotman | right ... |
| 23:17.51 | g00se | OK, so i'm using wheezy, but isn't it a little odd that something as ordinary as Intel sound seems to be broken? |
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| 23:18.25 | abrotman | mine works? |
| 23:18.52 | wjtaylor_ | g00se: I'm using squeeze and having sound issues. |
| 23:19.03 | wjtaylor_ | Are you referring to sound output or capture? |
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| 23:19.55 | wjtaylor_ | My card is an Intel card as well. |
| 23:19.59 | g00se | output |
| 23:20.27 | wjtaylor_ | g00se: are you using gnome 2 or 3? I don't know what comes whith wheezy. |
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| 23:21.37 | g00se | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/Lenovo/G570 is the machine i'm using. All appeared fine in 2.6.34 (tho card reader not mentioned) |
| 23:22.48 | g00se | wjtaylor_: I'm actually using xfce. |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | g00se: is it not recognized anymore? just fails? are you sure it's a driver problem? |
| 23:23.18 | g00se | I see nought about sound in dmesg - sure not a good sign ... |
| 23:23.43 | abrotman | g00se: lspci -k .. what does it show for your sound device? |
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| 23:25.18 | g00se | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05) |
| 23:25.50 | g00se | If i modprobe snd-hda-intel explicitly, it doesn't load (apparently) |
| 23:26.04 | abrotman | g00se: if you use lspci -k, you sohuld see the driver it loads |
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| 23:27.36 | g00se | abrotman: No - seems not to be mentioned ... |
| 23:29.10 | g00se | abrotman: Oh - is there a chance the module that ought to be loaded has changed since 2.6.34? |
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| 23:33.34 | g00se | hopes that's it's not something embarrassing like a sound switch being off or a bios toggle ... |
| 23:35.01 | abrotman | g00se: sure ... |
| 23:35.58 | tuvwx | what is a package whose version in unstable is different from testing? |
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| 23:36.26 | wjtaylor_ | Is wheezy stable? |
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| 23:36.57 | tuvwx | not yet |
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| 23:39.08 | wjtaylor_ | I don't know where to to turn at this point. I'm having sound capture issues, but cannot get confirmation from other users, nor a fix/workaround. Any suggestions? |
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| 23:41.54 | ken3 | Dagger2, added proto udp6 option |
| 23:41.58 | ken3 | now it got to work |
| 23:42.02 | ken3 | but now i get Mon Sep 3 19:41:01 2012 write UDPv6: Network is unreachable (code=101) |
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| 23:42.52 | Dagger2 | ugh, because it makes so much sense to need to tell the software if your address is v6 or v4 |
| 23:43.51 | Dagger2 | yet a ping6 to the same address works? |
| 23:44.02 | ken3 | yeah |
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| 23:45.59 | rgr | I'm thinking of doing a distro update from squeeze to wheezy. Whats the concensus on the chance of it actually working? |
| 23:46.58 | nkuttler | rgr: stuff will break |
| 23:47.35 | g00se | wishes he could just throw a switch in the opposite direction on this box right now |
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| 23:48.18 | rgr | wjtaylor_: sound on Linux sucks, simple... If it doesnt work its a confusing pain : alsa, muted controls, various mixers, and then the rest of the sound architectures and configs. I alwys suggest ensuring you have a card that, well, works. Its not popular but it tends to work. I know as Ive been through it numerous times on different machines with different hw. |
| 23:48.18 | rgr | nkuttler: anything more specific? |
| 23:48.56 | abrotman | rgr: the dist-upgrade or the result? |
| 23:49.18 | nkuttler | rgr: stuff will break badly? |
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| 23:50.29 | rgr | the result. I dont mind trouble shooting a little but was wondering if its almost there so to speak. I have a new machine coming and am not sure whether to dd over this one knowing I want to upgrade to wheezy soonish or to install wheezy neat on the new one and then have the hasle of moving my configs over bit by bit. |
| 23:50.43 | abrotman | rgr: what's your DE ? |
| 23:50.53 | rgr | gnome with an xmonad wm. |
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| 23:52.08 | Dagger2 | ken6: either a typo in the address or maybe a firewall... I can't think of anything else (I would normally assume that error is a routing problem, but if pings work your routing must be ok) |
| 23:52.37 | g00se | thanks the guys and tries out sound per se by rebooting into Windows |
| 23:52.42 | ken3 | i just copying address from ifconfig output |
| 23:52.45 | ken3 | of other server |
| 23:53.24 | ken3 | root@li517-191:/etc/openvpn# ping6 ipvnet |
| 23:53.24 | ken3 | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 23:53.25 | ken3 | omg... |
| 23:53.31 | ken3 | ipv6 address disappeared |
| 23:53.32 | ken3 | lol |
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| 23:53.47 | Dagger2 | well, that'll do it |
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