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| 00:04.14 | GreenET | by default, does Debian use Grub, or Lilo boot managers? |
| 00:05.58 | gotmynick | by default grub |
| 00:06.21 | GreenET | gotmynick: nice. thanks |
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| 00:11.09 | trysten | how do i use a TI89 with debian? |
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| 00:12.49 | abrotman | trysten: there used to be a program .. tip or sometihng like tlip ? |
| 00:14.26 | trysten | abrotman: yep, tilp |
| 00:14.30 | trysten | be back later. |
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| 00:17.47 | cardamon | Hmm, dist-upgrade wants to remove linux-sound-base...should I be concerned? |
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| 00:18.26 | nsadmin | cardamon, upgrade from what to what? |
| 00:19.09 | cardamon | nsadmin: It's probably the most recent update to alsa-base in Wheezy doing it. |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | cardamon: i don't have one anymore |
| 00:19.44 | cardamon | I just get antsy anytime I see something I think is moderately necessary getting flagged for removal. |
| 00:19.47 | abrotman | cardamon: and my sound works |
| 00:19.49 | nsadmin | also, what dist are you upgrading from/to? |
| 00:20.01 | cardamon | One time, it tried to remove policykit and consolekit. |
| 00:20.07 | abrotman | cardamon: when i try to install it again, it threatens to remove alsa .. |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | cardamon: so sure .. why not! |
| 00:20.15 | cardamon | nsadmin: ...wheezy to wheezy. |
| 00:20.20 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 00:20.43 | cardamon | I always use dist-upgrade to update...am I not supposed to? |
| 00:20.51 | abrotman | cardamon: that's how i do it .. |
| 00:20.57 | abrotman | (when using testing) |
| 00:21.05 | abrotman | i just pay attention to what it's removing |
| 00:21.08 | nsadmin | how long ago did you do your last wheezy-wheezy upgrade? |
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| 00:21.41 | nsadmin | before the one you just tried |
| 00:21.44 | cardamon | Not sure...I try to do it once every few weeks, when I have time to make sure nothing gets broken. |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | cardamon: my sound works without it |
| 00:22.21 | nsadmin | oh ok,,, hmm. it must have been done during the freeze then |
| 00:22.22 | cardamon | So far nothing has broken from an upgrade, but I have avoided a few...re: removing consolekit and policykit. That was a wine snafu. |
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| 00:23.02 | cardamon | Yeah, I've upgraded several times during the freeze. In fact, I've been surpised at the number of upgraded packages. |
| 00:23.06 | joules | hi, how can I check all the deps that will be pulled in with apt-get? |
| 00:23.22 | cardamon | Granted, this is my first time through a freeze, but it's feeling a little thawed to me. |
| 00:23.27 | joules | i see a few meta packages and need to see what they pull in as well. |
| 00:23.30 | abrotman | joules: it tells you when you try to install a package |
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| 00:23.47 | cardamon | joules: apt-cache showpkg <pkg> |
| 00:23.56 | cardamon | Or is it just show? |
| 00:24.00 | abrotman | show |
| 00:24.10 | cardamon | show then. |
| 00:24.22 | joules | thanks |
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| 00:25.04 | cardamon | and for meta-packages or virtual-packages...just go an check them manually. |
| 00:25.08 | cardamon | It's a pain, I know. |
| 00:25.31 | cardamon | Wee, time to play with octave. |
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| 00:32.51 | monsuco | hey, I'm on Squeeze. Does anyone know of a repo that'll provide reasonably current versions of WINE? Ideally, such a repo would stick to just updating WINE since I want to stay on stable for the rest. |
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| 00:38.10 | ciscorouter | abrotman: if you're still around I was curious about debian |
| 00:38.42 | ciscorouter | getting an error trying to set up apache and this php based data center software |
| 00:38.55 | ciscorouter | it kind of works |
| 00:38.56 | cardamon | This is a debian channel. We deal in debian curiosity almost exclusively. |
| 00:39.00 | LiDaR | ciscorouter: what error ? |
| 00:39.19 | cardamon | Error's we can do anything about...unless you tell them to us. |
| 00:39.30 | ranix | please don't make people ask "what's the error message" |
| 00:39.36 | ranix | that is the cardinal sin |
| 00:39.48 | ciscorouter | LiDaR: well, it's supposed to ask for authentication, but it doesn't, it just loads you up as default admin and I don't see any way to login or logout by button in the web ui... |
| 00:39.51 | ciscorouter | one sec |
| 00:40.02 | cardamon | I've tried all my life to develop a magical tool that would fix errors without my having to know what they were. Not doing so is truely my greatest failure. |
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| 00:40.51 | LiDaR | cdc_ether is kicking my butt im thinking ill nevr figure it out |
| 00:41.22 | ciscorouter | root@idredmine:~# tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 00:41.22 | ciscorouter | [Wed Sep 05 00:32:18 2012] [error] [client 172.16.55.83] PHP Notice: Undefined index: REMOTE_USER in /var/www/openDCIM-1.4/index.php on line 11 |
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| 00:41.29 | ranix | cardamon: "avada kadavra" |
| 00:42.01 | cardamon | ranix: apt-get remove horcrux |
| 00:42.32 | cardamon | killall -9 voldemort |
| 00:43.12 | ciscorouter | LiDaR: any idea? |
| 00:43.19 | ranix | here's your magical tool that solves problems without knowing what they are: http://www.insigniaspoliciales.com/images/ak47-IN.jpg |
| 00:43.29 | ranix | no guarantees it won't create new ones though |
| 00:44.30 | cardamon | Okay, enough fun. Let's stay on target. And on topic. #debian-offtopic is there for all of your Potter-Puns. |
| 00:45.18 | abrotman | ciscorouter: what kind of auth are you trying to use? |
| 00:47.31 | ciscorouter | abrotman: basic auth |
| 00:47.37 | abrotman | http? php-based? |
| 00:48.03 | ciscorouter | well I thought it was supposed to do it through php but I think I needed to set up with .htaccess and .htpasswd |
| 00:48.07 | ciscorouter | but it didn't care about that |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | you should probably choose a method :) |
| 00:50.12 | ciscorouter | # cat /var/www/openDCIM-1.4/.htaccess |
| 00:50.12 | ciscorouter | AuthType Basic |
| 00:50.12 | ciscorouter | AuthName "Restricted Files" |
| 00:50.12 | ciscorouter | AllowOverride AuthConfig |
| 00:50.12 | ciscorouter | AuthBasicProvider file |
| 00:50.14 | ciscorouter | AuthUserFile /etc/apache2/conf.d/.htpasswd-opendcim |
| 00:50.17 | ciscorouter | Require valid-user |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | can your www-data read that file? |
| 00:51.37 | ciscorouter | it's owned by root |
| 00:51.45 | ciscorouter | do I need to chown it? |
| 00:51.57 | abrotman | can your www-data read that file? |
| 00:51.58 | ciscorouter | does it need a specific mode set to it? |
| 00:52.02 | ciscorouter | I don't know |
| 00:52.49 | ciscorouter | no it can't |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | seems like a mild issue |
| 00:53.19 | ciscorouter | so chown www-data:www-data .htaccess |
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| 00:55.01 | ciscorouter | $ ls -ltrhia .ht* |
| 00:55.02 | ciscorouter | 127842 -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 162 Sep 5 00:34 .htaccess |
| 00:55.02 | ciscorouter | $ |
| 00:55.06 | ciscorouter | still doesn't work |
| 00:55.41 | abrotman | and the conf.d ? |
| 00:55.48 | abrotman | did you check the apache error.log ? |
| 00:55.54 | ciscorouter | you mean apache.conf? |
| 00:56.14 | ciscorouter | err apache2.conf rather |
| 00:56.38 | ciscorouter | error.log makes no mention of it |
| 00:56.46 | ciscorouter | [Wed Sep 05 00:52:05 2012] [error] [client 172.16.55.83] PHP Notice: Undefined index: REMOTE_USER in /var/www/openDCIM-1.4/index.php on line 11 |
| 00:57.25 | ciscorouter | # grep REMOTE /var/www/openDCIM-1.4/index.php $user->UserID = $_SERVER['REMOTE_USER']; |
| 00:57.41 | ranix | did you google this already |
| 00:57.47 | ciscorouter | yes |
| 00:57.59 | ranix | from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8495548/remote-host-index-not-showing : Note: Your web server must be configured to create this variable. For example in Apache you'll need HostnameLookups On inside httpd.conf for it to exist. |
| 00:58.07 | ranix | did you inspect that |
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| 00:58.31 | ciscorouter | went there but it discourages what it says you can do because of massive performance hits |
| 00:59.01 | ranix | well that's your problem |
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| 01:00.49 | ciscorouter | ranix: I just turned hostname lookups on and restarted apache, big performance hit, and same error |
| 01:01.09 | ciscorouter | went from instant load to like a one minute load |
| 01:01.14 | abrotman | waits for the error from the log ... |
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| 01:01.43 | ranix | great progress, you've ruled something out |
| 01:01.50 | ciscorouter | [Wed Sep 05 00:58:02 2012] [error] [client 172.16.55.83] PHP Notice: Undefined index: REMOTE_USER in /var/www/openDCIM-1.4/index.php on line 11 |
| 01:02.04 | ciscorouter | meh I give up for today |
| 01:02.07 | ciscorouter | thanks guys |
| 01:02.18 | ranix | dork |
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| 01:12.09 | winsen | good night all |
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| 01:47.32 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Qw8nijmr does this make any sense? |
| 01:48.02 | JyZyXEL | or could i be doing something better |
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| 01:53.05 | dvs | JyZyXEL: having both "auto" and "allow-hotplug" doesn't make sense |
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| 01:54.50 | JyZyXEL | i couldn't figure out what the difference was |
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| 02:02.56 | dvs | JyZyXEL: "auto" will activate the connection as soon as the system comes up. "allow-hotplug" will activate the connection when the connection becomes available (e.g. someone plugs in a cable to the ethernet port) |
| 02:03.53 | JyZyXEL | im confused, aren't those completely different things |
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| 02:07.00 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: you likely want allow-hotplug |
| 02:07.16 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: that means as soon as it's available, it will configure it, auto only tries on boot AFAIK |
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| 02:07.38 | JyZyXEL | hotplug sounds much nicer then |
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| 02:08.06 | abrotman | it is |
| 02:12.40 | agike | How does one set default browser to get urls working in icedove in a new 6.0.5 xfce4 install ? |
| 02:13.35 | dvs | agike: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 02:13.50 | agike | thks, dvs |
| 02:13.56 | dvs | np |
| 02:15.16 | agike | dvs: hmm .. 'update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for x-www-browse.' |
| 02:15.31 | dvs | browser? |
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| 02:15.49 | agike | that's what it gave me .. |
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| 02:17.12 | abrotman | agike: the word is browser .. not browse |
| 02:17.15 | dvs | agike: What does "update-alternatives --list x-www-browser |
| 02:17.22 | dvs | " say? |
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| 02:18.11 | agike | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.11 | agike | /usr/bin/epiphany-browser |
| 02:18.12 | agike | /usr/bin/galeon |
| 02:18.12 | agike | /usr/bin/iceape |
| 02:18.12 | agike | /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 02:18.14 | agike | /usr/bin/midori |
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| 02:18.32 | abrotman | so use --config .. pick one |
| 02:18.52 | agike | dvs: galeon does not start, I'd prefer epiphany* |
| 02:18.54 | dvs | agike: looks like there's alternatives to me. |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | galeon ? |
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| 02:19.21 | agike | --config epiphany-browser ,??> |
| 02:19.56 | agike | abrotman: yup, galeon .. was working well for a while |
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| 02:20.47 | agike | what is the correct syntax for replacing it with epiphnay-browser ? |
| 02:21.11 | dvs | agike: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 02:27.03 | abrotman | moves dvs's needle back |
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| 02:27.58 | dvs | does a bit of scratching |
| 02:29.05 | agike | abrotman, dvs: I've tried them all in turn, restarted icedove each time, but urls don't open in icedove |
| 02:31.14 | agike | .. so it has to be the icedove config .. I think. |
| 02:32.02 | agike | user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/usr/bin/galeon"); |
| 02:32.14 | agike | .. but galeon won't open |
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| 02:35.38 | abrotman | agike: what happens if you try to start galeon from the xterm |
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| 02:41.08 | agike | abrotman: nothing. I have replaced 'galeon' with 'epiphany-browser' - which works - but it does not save when I do it as root. |
| 02:43.03 | tty | agike: you shouldnt be using a browser as root |
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| 02:50.19 | agike | tty: I'm not using a browser as root, but have been editing prefs.js and doing 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' as root. |
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| 02:51.30 | agike | prefs.js seems to be reverting to galeon for some reason. There is a galeon process running in htop, but can't find the gui |
| 02:51.46 | agike | I guess I should kill it .. |
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| 02:56.55 | GreenET | What are the major gripes about KDE4 from people who dislike it? |
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| 02:57.55 | agike | Ah, galeon now works in terminal .. |
| 02:57.57 | somiaj | GreenET: this is not the place to ask such a question |
| 02:58.10 | somiaj | agike: that process was probabaly blocking new instances |
| 02:58.24 | GreenET | somiaj: ok; sorry. |
| 02:58.36 | LiDaR | wb GreenET |
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| 02:59.11 | GreenET | LiDaR: hiya! . . . just getting ready for Wheezy install here. |
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| 02:59.48 | LiDaR | im wrestling some cdc_ether issues cant make my aircard connect yet |
| 03:01.00 | agike | somiaj: I agree, but urls still inactive in icedove with galeon the preferred app |
| 03:01.06 | somiaj | GreenET: there is a kde channel, though not sure how much they know about the complaints. |
| 03:01.12 | agike | I have to run some errands .. |
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| 03:01.44 | GreenET | somiaj: cool; thanks |
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| 03:02.36 | GreenET | LiDaR: Apple Aircard? |
| 03:04.03 | LiDaR | GreenET: no a verizon card usb551l by novatel |
| 03:04.39 | GreenET | LiDaR: hmm, i don't know the critter. |
| 03:05.17 | LiDaR | GreenET: nobody else does either |
| 03:05.30 | somiaj | LiDaR: lsusb -- what is the actual chipset on that card? |
| 03:05.32 | GreenET | LiDaR: are you running Avahi? It might detect it. |
| 03:07.11 | LiDaR | somiaj: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 1410:b001 Novatel Wireless |
| 03:09.42 | LiDaR | GreenET: >KDE project peaked around version 2.2 or so |
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| 03:15.18 | somiaj | LiDaR: what version of debian and kernel (uname -a) are you running? |
| 03:15.47 | LiDaR | Linux net-cruser 3.2.0-30-generic #48-Ubuntu SMP Fri Aug 24 16:52:48 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 03:15.59 | LiDaR | somiaj: its ubuntu |
| 03:16.01 | somiaj | LiDaR: go ask in #ubuntu, we do not support non debian releases |
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| 03:16.43 | LiDaR | somiaj: you asked me i didnt ask you ;) |
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| 03:17.01 | visof | hello |
| 03:17.06 | LiDaR | hi visof |
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| 03:17.27 | visof | how can i read chrome cache file?, what its format ? |
| 03:17.42 | simonlnu | try `file' on it |
| 03:17.47 | LiDaR | visof: isnt it an xml file ? |
| 03:18.01 | visof | LiDaR: Nope |
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| 03:18.45 | somiaj | LiDaR: well I assume griping about getting something to work was a support question, if it is offtopic grumbling there is a channel for that |
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| 03:20.53 | somiaj | LiDaR: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/886130 -- there are some hacks to get it working, but looks like support is being added in the upstream 3.4 kernels |
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| 03:23.52 | simonlnu | visof: aptitude install file |
| 03:25.28 | LiDaR | somiaj: ill install debian then come pester you lots ! |
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| 03:32.05 | magyar | which jre plugin do i use for java in squeeze? |
| 03:33.17 | sney | magyar: sun-java6-jre or the icedtea one, depending on your needs |
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| 03:34.34 | magyar | sney: sun java6 is with security holes, iceweasel flags it |
| 03:35.01 | sney | ahh, yeah, hmm |
| 03:35.13 | sney | I'm not sure if the openjdk/icedtea jre is also affected in squeeze |
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| 03:35.47 | thegerdur | sney are you speaking of the most recent security issues? If so, openjdk and icedtea are not effected |
| 03:36.05 | sney | ok, good to know |
| 03:36.19 | thegerdur | Yes only oracle's version is vulnerable |
| 03:36.21 | sney | I don't use much java stuff so I wasn't really paying close attention |
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| 03:36.31 | thegerdur | I avoid Java |
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| 03:37.39 | magyar | thegerdur: but for some reason openjdk/icedtea jre are not detected by java on the browser |
| 03:38.19 | sney | do you have icedtea6-plugin installed? |
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| 03:41.17 | zeroacces | . |
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| 03:43.38 | grothendieck | hi sney, I am using the sun-java6 plugin and am totally vulnerable to the 0day would you like my IP and root password? |
| 03:44.05 | sney | no? |
| 03:44.16 | grothendieck | :( |
| 03:44.48 | grothendieck | I misread the conversation |
| 03:45.32 | grothendieck | magyar: navigate to "about:plugins" and it should tell you what Java environment your browser isusing |
| 03:45.33 | sney | apparently. |
| 03:45.58 | grothendieck | does not read good all the time |
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| 03:46.45 | nsadmin | is that two incomplete sentences that were in two trains heading in opposite directions on the same track? |
| 03:46.59 | grothendieck | perhaps |
| 03:47.10 | nsadmin | please separate :) |
| 03:48.18 | magyar | sney: yes, if i use icedtea and go to test java it fails, if I use sun-java than it works |
| 03:48.24 | grothendieck | please excuse my english, it is my first language but I am an American |
| 03:48.43 | sney | poor excuse. |
| 03:49.03 | grothendieck | s/poor/joke/ |
| 03:49.07 | sney | magyar: is that a java.com test or something? it probably just refuses to run if it doesn't detect a sun JRE. try a website that uses java |
| 03:49.29 | magyar | sney: ok, thanks |
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| 03:50.55 | grothendieck | does anybody know if it is possible to run FreeBSD as a KVM guest? |
| 03:51.06 | grothendieck | I assume it is not possible since it uses a different kernel |
| 03:51.40 | grothendieck | KVM guest on Debian GNU/Linux, I should clarify |
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| 03:52.07 | nsadmin | grothendieck, no problem,,, you're doing good |
| 03:52.23 | Rusty1 | http://javatester.org/version.html |
| 03:52.31 | sney | grothendieck: I would think it is possible since windows guests are supported |
| 03:52.51 | grothendieck | cool |
| 03:52.55 | grothendieck | I'll try it out |
| 03:52.57 | grothendieck | thanks |
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| 03:59.12 | SwK | any preseeding + pxeboot super experts around? I cant seem to figure out the right f'n way to add the preseed file location to the pxe configs... i've gotta be missing something really stupid... anyone wanna point me in the right direction? |
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| 04:18.42 | demonax | Hello, I have tried to connect evolution email client and have not been successful. I have not found any issues using gconf-editor. All settings are the same as sister system. Otherwise, web communications work. |
| 04:19.12 | demonax | I would appreciate any insight. |
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| 04:24.07 | nsadmin | demonax, no, no insight... but I am curious: can you send/receive email from that machine using (say) mutt or mail? |
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| 04:28.42 | demonax | nsadmin: I'll give it a try; thank you. I believe the problem started after I removed a pci wireless controller card from my machine. |
| 04:29.55 | nsadmin | demonax, ok, so then you might think the problem is lower-level (connectivity) than you thought (email failure) |
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| 04:30.17 | nsadmin | so, then you would verify your connectivity |
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| 04:32.20 | nsadmin | which you;re already doing if you're ircing on that machine now to here |
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| 04:40.11 | kbar | hey, is there a way to make apt-get keep a package at a certain version without asking to update it every time? |
| 04:41.14 | LiDaR | kbar: yes |
| 04:41.22 | nsadmin | you could put it on hold |
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| 04:41.41 | nsadmin | and, that could cause dependent package to also be held |
| 04:41.52 | nsadmin | err, dependent packages |
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| 04:50.59 | terr_ | I want to ask some car questions. Such as a chennel which deals with engine problems. Does anyone know of a suitable channe? |
| 04:52.23 | LiDaR | terr_: /msg me |
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| 05:10.55 | MrHatter | I appear to be missing webaliser from squeeze, should i be ? |
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| 05:35.30 | gabesubdo | I'm stumped by this. Turns out that the MD5 problem I had earlier (a different checksum each time on the same file) is most likely a memory problem... but memtest isn't finding anything |
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| 05:37.54 | ForSpareParts | Could anybody help me with xrandr? I'm actually on Ubuntu, but nobody there has been able to answer my question so far... |
| 05:38.41 | ForSpareParts | Basically, I'm just trying to force a 1080i resolution from my Intel integrated graphics card. |
| 05:39.19 | Trewas | 1080i (interlaced), really? |
| 05:39.41 | ForSpareParts | Trewas, Sadly, yes. |
| 05:39.56 | ForSpareParts | I'm using my box with an old (but large!) TV I picked up at a garage sale. |
| 05:40.09 | Trewas | that might be the problem, interlaced does not make much sense with computer display resolutions |
| 05:40.30 | ForSpareParts | Hm. I was able to make a go of it before, with my AMD card... |
| 05:41.24 | ForSpareParts | I've also seen some kind of "Interlaced" option in xrandr, but I don't know how it works. |
| 05:41.43 | ForSpareParts | Also not sure where else to ask. Is there a place where I could find some X experts? |
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| 05:47.20 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: is it a Nvidia card? |
| 05:47.33 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: i'm no X expert but i can tell you where the documentation is on xorg.conf :-p |
| 05:47.49 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, Nope. Intel integrated -- it's a Sandy Bridge build. |
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| 05:49.04 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, And the documentation on xorg.conf might help, maybe? I think part of the problem is I don't exactly know what I need. The old build, with the AMD card, I *think* had the refresh rate at 25. But if I make a mode for that, my TV will just spaz out (like it does with all the other settings at 1920x1080) |
| 05:50.16 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: no an NTSC signal is 60hz |
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| 05:51.18 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, Hm. |
| 05:51.26 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: you said nvidia right? depending on whether you're using debian packages or the nvidia self-extracting shell script you should check the README.txt (or README.txt.gz) in either /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx or /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA-GLX-1.0 |
| 05:51.44 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, no, it's actually an Intel integrated card. |
| 05:51.48 | gnarface | oh |
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| 05:52.16 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: well just man xorg.conf then and look for "Interlace" |
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| 05:52.50 | ForSpareParts | Weird, right? I was under the impression that these Just Worked. |
| 05:53.03 | Logos01 | Is anyone here familiar with an armel build of the debootstrap binary that could be run from within a rooted Android device? |
| 05:53.11 | Logos01 | is looking to set up a debian chroot. |
| 05:53.38 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: not all video hardware has equal support for different display types. its a lot more common to see TV-out on amd and nvidia cards so it would make sense that they'd have better auto-detection capabilities |
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| 05:54.50 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, So, do you think I've still got a shot at making this work with xorg.conf? I don't really know anything about it. |
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| 05:55.19 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: remember an interlaced NTSC tv signal is 640x480 at 60hz (60 frames per second but the frames only have half the LINES - i think that's where you got the halved framerate idea) |
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| 05:56.03 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, OK. |
| 05:56.04 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: yea i think you've got a shot at making it work assuming your onboard intel card actually supports interlaced signals... |
| 05:57.32 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: the xorg.conf does let you set interlaced modes manually from what i can tell ... i'd suggest reading it, trying it out, and then checking the log file (/var/log/Xorg.0.log probably) if it fails |
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| 06:01.58 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: OH HEY!!! |
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| 06:02.15 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, ? |
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| 06:02.48 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: you said this was an old big CRT? |
| 06:03.04 | ForSpareParts | Old, yes. Big, yes. CRT, probably? |
| 06:03.23 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: some times the older ones aren't smart enough to shut themselves off automatically if you feed them a sync far out of their range |
| 06:03.48 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: so make sure you stick to the NTSC standard refresh ranges, or whatever is printed on whatever product manual you can dig up for it otherwise it might explode |
| 06:04.02 | gnarface | (yes, *explode*) |
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| 06:04.21 | ForSpareParts | OK. |
| 06:04.55 | ForSpareParts | That's just like, 60Hz, right? Or am I missing something? |
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| 06:06.17 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: 59.94 i think technically, but it most displays are a *little* forgiving |
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| 06:06.44 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: you might need a matching horizontal to make it work |
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| 06:08.35 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, Matching horizontal? |
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| 06:12.25 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: yea something like HorizSync 30 - 70, VertRefresh 60 |
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| 06:12.58 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: not sure what the exact # should be but google should know |
| 06:13.13 | ForSpareParts | Is it specific to my TV, or to NTSC? |
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| 06:13.40 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: well i'd recommend googling for both if you can't find one or the other |
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| 06:14.57 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: let me clarify: it is specific to NTSC, not your TV, however your TV *may* have a wider range of resolutions/refresh rates available than just NTSC-standard. depending on the age and brand you may be able to get the manual for it online somewhere and use those ranges instead and get better visual quality |
| 06:15.24 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: but i'd recommend just trying out NTSC first. |
| 06:18.05 | ForSpareParts | gnarface, OK. |
| 06:18.18 | ForSpareParts | I think I'm going to have to pick this up tomorrow, I've been at it for hours. |
| 06:18.24 | ForSpareParts | I appreciate your help, though! |
| 06:19.25 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: good luck! |
| 06:19.49 | ForSpareParts | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.55 | gnarface | ForSpareParts: the xorg.conf is a bit intimidating but once you make sense of it you'll be fine. |
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| 06:25.01 | specing | Hello |
| 06:25.28 | gnarface | hello |
| 06:25.43 | specing | I don't need those *dbg*_${arch}.deb packages for normal work, right? |
| 06:26.31 | gnarface | not sure what packages your'e talking about but i don't appear to have them so i'd guess no |
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| 06:27.02 | specing | Im rsync the whole mirror |
| 06:27.07 | specing | rsync-ing |
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| 06:27.23 | gnarface | washes his hands of that shit |
| 06:27.27 | specing | ? |
| 06:28.09 | gnarface | specing: uh... good luck, but i have a sneaky suspicion that whatever you're trying to accomplish 1) you should probably not leave packages behind and 2) there is probably a better way to accomplish it anyway (like with apt-cacher-ng perhaps?) |
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| 06:29.43 | specing | Im making a mirror on an 32GB usb key so that I don't have to carry around a stack of 5 DVDs and then feed them into apt like Im some sort of a robot |
| 06:29.56 | specing | FML |
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| 06:30.34 | gnarface | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 06:30.38 | gnarface | specing: ^^^^^ |
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| 06:30.49 | gnarface | specing: there are probably several *dozen* better ways to do that then |
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| 06:31.23 | gnarface | specing: 32GB may be a bit ambitious though. |
| 06:31.33 | Nunnsby | hey all, quick question, and apologies for the drop in on the wrong channel, but I have a Windows 7 machine with a Zotac Nvidia Card GT240 with the right drivers and it has a vga, dvi, and hdmi port. Can I run 2 screens off the card at the same time? one on dvi and one on hdmi so I can extend my desktop? |
| 06:31.45 | Nunnsby | or must I get like a dual dvi card or something? |
| 06:32.15 | gnarface | dpkg: tell Nunnsby about not made here |
| 06:32.22 | gnarface | oh |
| 06:32.32 | Nunnsby | once apologies for the drop on the wrong channel, but not sure where else to ask |
| 06:32.33 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 06:32.36 | gnarface | Nunnsby: there is most certainly got to be a windows support channel somewhere on here |
| 06:32.55 | Nunnsby | please don't let it be #windows |
| 06:32.56 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 06:32.58 | gnarface | Nunnsby: or a general computing channel. also for nvidia card specific features they usually know in #hardware |
| 06:33.13 | Nunnsby | fml |
| 06:33.14 | Nunnsby | it is |
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| 06:33.16 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 06:33.19 | Nunnsby | my bad |
| 06:33.31 | Nunnsby | sweet dude, you're a legend |
| 06:33.36 | gnarface | i know |
| 06:33.46 | Nunnsby | a recent convert to debian from ubuntu, and loving btw |
| 06:33.47 | Nunnsby | :) |
| 06:33.52 | Nunnsby | :P |
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| 06:34.03 | gnarface | congratulations! |
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| 06:34.27 | gnarface | i think that's ubuntu's most useful feature |
| 06:34.43 | gnarface | its like debian kindergarten |
| 06:34.50 | blubberdiblub | hehe :) |
| 06:34.59 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 06:35.00 | specing | Nvidia proprietary drivers 302.17 just rock |
| 06:35.10 | specing | they added support for Xrandr ;) |
| 06:35.12 | gnarface | hah |
| 06:35.20 | Nunnsby | yeah, I mainly run it for servers, but doing research on the security side .... not such a good idea any more |
| 06:35.26 | Nunnsby | gnna focus on debian true now |
| 06:35.30 | Nunnsby | and on the desktop too |
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| 06:35.46 | Nunnsby | not a fan of the bubblegum screen of ubuntu anymore |
| 06:36.25 | specing | Its the gnome bloat |
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| 06:37.26 | Nunnsby | yeah, I like my linux lean and mean and nice and fast |
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| 06:38.37 | Nunnsby | ummm, okay, so question now, from the .deb newbie :) |
| 06:38.48 | Nunnsby | how do I get my broadcom wireless driver to work? |
| 06:38.53 | Nunnsby | can I do an update to get it |
| 06:38.54 | specing | Nunnsby: you do? |
| 06:38.58 | Nunnsby | from the wired nic of course! |
| 06:39.15 | specing | So do I. That is why my desktop runs Gentoo |
| 06:39.18 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 06:39.19 | webguy024 | hello, running debian lenny on a rackspace cloud server and my apt-gets are failing to reach the repos. Also can't pull them up in the browser. New to this - what gives? |
| 06:39.49 | webguy024 | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/source/Sources |
| 06:39.55 | gnarface | dpkg, tell Nunnsby about broadcom |
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| 06:40.02 | webguy024 | sorry said repo - meant source |
| 06:40.33 | gnarface | dpkg, tell webguy024 about lenny |
| 06:41.09 | gnarface | sometimes just asking the bot the right keyword will get you links to all the right documentation |
| 06:41.27 | dizzylizzy | lenny has left the repos completely it seems |
| 06:41.32 | blubberdiblub | the difficult thing is to know the right keyword ;) |
| 06:41.37 | dizzylizzy | no more oldstable after the wheezy freeze? is that right? |
| 06:41.39 | gnarface | yes, that's true |
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| 06:42.08 | webguy024 | gnarface: thank you I didn't know that. |
| 06:42.09 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: i don't know |
| 06:42.22 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: i suspect squeeze will become oldstable though |
| 06:42.27 | webguy024 | dpkg, tell webguy024 about squeeze |
| 06:42.38 | gnarface | dpkg, tell webguy024 about selftell |
| 06:42.40 | dizzylizzy | yeah |
| 06:42.43 | Nunnsby | gnarface: this page http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx says ftp.us..... being from ZA will it always pull that source from us, or will it find and use the local ones in future |
| 06:42.46 | webguy024 | ok sorry |
| 06:43.27 | gnarface | webguy024: the in-channel mode is more just for instructional/example purposes. you can talk to the bot in private all day long without anyone seeing it |
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| 06:43.45 | Nunnsby | gnarface: I'm not really understanding the bot thing |
| 06:43.47 | specing | dpkg: tell specing abou everything |
| 06:43.49 | Nunnsby | and I'd like to? |
| 06:43.58 | Nunnsby | how do I use it |
| 06:44.02 | Nunnsby | am total newbie to irc |
| 06:44.04 | Nunnsby | :( |
| 06:44.06 | gnarface | Nunnsby: /msg dpkg [info] |
| 06:44.19 | gnarface | Nunnsby: replace [info] with something useful like broadcom |
| 06:44.22 | milad | do u have any idea why my tty file type has been changed ? "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 28 Sep 5 06:39 /dev/tty" |
| 06:44.30 | Nunnsby | but, hey, I'm here and learning. Better than the other 99.9999999999999% of the population right? |
| 06:44.31 | Nunnsby | :P |
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| 06:44.40 | gnarface | Nunnsby: yep,gotta start somewhere |
| 06:45.25 | specing | Nunnsby: Debian makes a fuss about including non-free software in their repos |
| 06:45.51 | specing | I remember I once totaly lost control because I couldn't install nvidia-drivers on debian |
| 06:45.55 | Nunnsby | gnarface,specing, ahhh, oka, gotcha now |
| 06:46.02 | Nunnsby | cool, so need to add the repo |
| 06:46.03 | specing | then I formated the box and installed Gentoo |
| 06:46.19 | webguy024 | thanks again gnarface, i'm on track now. |
| 06:46.20 | Nunnsby | will it always use US one, ot take local one in future? |
| 06:46.25 | specing | happy ever since |
| 06:46.36 | gnarface | Nunnsby: ah. yea the ftp.us.debian.org url is just the master fan-out site. they put it there in the example for brevity but you can probably use any up-to-date mirror. there is probably a ZA fanout node at ftp.za.debian.org (i don't know really) or you can pick from here: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 06:46.53 | gnarface | webguy024: no problem |
| 06:48.05 | gnarface | Nunnsby: i think its kinda dumb round-robin connections and the ftp.us.debian.org is just statically configured to point to a bunch of US regional ones. all that is gonna change is it'll go faster typically if you find a mirror closer to you |
| 06:48.52 | specing | Why can't you/they make a ftp.world.debian.org and do some intelligent DNS? |
| 06:49.09 | specing | and replace ftp with something that isn't over 50 years old. |
| 06:49.23 | gnarface | i'm sure there's a simple reason like "when we set this up decades ago that wasn't cost-effective" |
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| 06:49.43 | gnarface | most people use http now days anyway. it also supports rsync i believe. people just use the ftp url by habit |
| 06:49.51 | blubberdiblub | there's also http, specing. it's actually recommended to use the http protocol, just the host names still include the ftp |
| 06:50.10 | specing | No seriously, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
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| 06:50.30 | gnarface | specing: we get it, relax, nobody is gonna force you to use ftp. its just a hostname |
| 06:50.41 | gnarface | shesh |
| 06:50.44 | specing | that hosts FTP too... |
| 06:50.44 | blubberdiblub | well, we're serious too. just use http and be done with it |
| 06:50.47 | Nunnsby | lol, once again, a tangent is born |
| 06:50.49 | Nunnsby | thanks |
| 06:50.52 | mallxs | hi, any idea when php 5.4 comes in stable ? |
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| 06:51.31 | gnarface | ,versions php5 |
| 06:51.32 | judd | Package: php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; wheezy: 5.4.4-4; sid: 5.4.4-7; experimental: 5.4.6-1; experimental: 5.4.6-2 |
| 06:51.45 | gnarface | mallxs: fucking never |
| 06:52.03 | gnarface | mallxs: er, i mean, when wheezy becomes the new stable |
| 06:52.04 | mallxs | thx |
| 06:52.19 | specing | /dev/mapper/vg--usb-lv--deb--pkg 29G 693M 27G 3% /mnt/usb1 |
| 06:52.24 | boudiccas | not quite true granface, the answer will be when wheezy is released as 'stable' |
| 06:52.27 | specing | 500M done, 26.5GB to go... |
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| 06:53.01 | boudiccas | sorry gnarfface for getting your nick wrong |
| 06:53.03 | gnarface | mallxs: (as a general rule, for compatibility, they will NOT release updates to stable that could break compatibility with other stuff, so squeeze will always be stuck with its current php branch, plus or minus a few patches) |
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| 06:53.35 | gnarface | boudiccas: no worries |
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| 06:55.16 | Nunnsby | can I set mine to use a local mirror by default? |
| 06:55.35 | gnarface | Nunnsby: of course. ask dpkg about sources.list |
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| 06:56.29 | gnarface | Nunnsby: also lots of people like caching proxies like apt-cacher-ng |
| 06:56.48 | gnarface | Nunnsby: for most intents and purposes that's the same as having a private mirror but without the maintenance overhead |
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| 07:00.21 | ChrisH | apt-cacher-ng speeds up installations for stable. |
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| 07:03.06 | mallxs | gnarface: thx for the explanation; can i use the ,version command without annoying the other folks on the channel ? |
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| 07:03.51 | gnarface | mallxs: no you can't but you can /msg judd versions [package name] instead |
| 07:04.10 | Nunnsby | gnarface, shot bro, thanks for yout time |
| 07:04.12 | Nunnsby | *your |
| 07:04.14 | gnarface | mallxs: dpkg is the info bot, judd is the dpkg bot (fuck if i know why) |
| 07:04.19 | gnarface | Nunnsby: no problem |
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| 07:04.50 | gnarface | mallxs: judd can also do apt-file searches too |
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| 07:14.36 | peterrooney | what determines the order find prints things out in? |
| 07:15.09 | blubberdiblub | the order the filesystem returns the entries in the directories |
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| 07:15.35 | blubberdiblub | should be the same order as when using "ls -U" |
| 07:17.10 | blubberdiblub | if you're referring to the recursion behaviour, you can use the -depth option to find to make it print out the contents of the directory before the directory path itself |
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| 07:19.25 | peterrooney | blubberdiblub: so, what is the "directory order"? it's not order the files are created in (or moved to) the directory, or inode based. |
| 07:19.51 | blubberdiblub | peterrooney, it's however the filesystem stores it. usually hash based. you cannot assume any order |
| 07:20.07 | peterrooney | crap. I don't want to crack open the e2fs source |
| 07:20.21 | blubberdiblub | peterrooney, just sort the output of find ;) |
| 07:20.28 | peterrooney | i thought ext3 was btree based, not hashed based |
| 07:21.03 | blubberdiblub | the directory entries should still be hash based |
| 07:22.08 | peterrooney | anyways, the real problem is, xine <directory> doesn't play numbered media in any semblance of sequential. |
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| 07:22.23 | blubberdiblub | peterrooney, if you need two filesystems assuming the same order of files, you can achieve that by setting the directory hash (and fscking afterwards) |
| 07:22.52 | blubberdiblub | oh, i see |
| 07:23.40 | blubberdiblub | that's a xine bug then, if you ask me |
| 07:23.55 | dondelelcaro | peterrooney: just specify the order that you want the files to play in. Xine should handle it then |
| 07:24.49 | peterrooney | dondelelcaro: xine dir/* works (in bash, at least) |
| 07:25.45 | peterrooney | wonders what would happen if he set LC_COLLATE=CTHULHU |
| 07:26.00 | blubberdiblub | peterrooney, yeah, that's because bash expands that (and sorts the result) |
| 07:26.20 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.26 | zetheroo | hmmm |
| 07:26.43 | specing | peterrooney: lol |
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| 07:27.37 | jelly-home | zetheroo: not in the channel, leave out the space in front |
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| 07:31.10 | zetheroo | jelly-home: if not in the channel where? I am using Pidgin ;) |
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| 07:31.35 | jelly-home | zetheroo: I have no idea where pidgin shows private messages. |
| 07:31.45 | jelly-home | but let's cut it short |
| 07:31.54 | jelly-home | judd, pciid 1095:3132 |
| 07:31.56 | judd | [1095:3132] is 'SiI 3132 Serial ATA Raid II Controller' from 'Silicon Image, Inc.' with kernel module 'sata_sil24' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1095:3132 |
| 07:32.08 | jelly-home | there's a driver. It's supposed to work. |
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| 07:32.33 | jelly-home | zetheroo: if you first plug a disk in and power it on later, often a manual bus rescan is needed. echo 0 0 0 | sudo tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan |
| 07:33.01 | jelly-home | can you hear the disk spin up or see its light switch on? |
| 07:33.23 | jelly-home | zetheroo: do you see anything new in dmesg, compared to before plugging it in? |
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| 07:44.20 | locoabreu13 | hi all,any installation of adobe flash crash any browser,debian 6.0,what to do? |
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| 07:46.34 | locoabreu13 | in about:plugins in chrome all look correct player is enabled |
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| 07:48.00 | drigolli2r | hi all |
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| 07:48.41 | anddam | is there a way to search packages' description on PDO? |
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| 07:50.27 | mmnicolas | what is a PDO |
| 07:50.36 | anddam | !pdo |
| 07:50.36 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for Debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/ in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 07:50.45 | mmnicolas | oh that |
| 07:51.10 | anddam | I want to search packages but I'm not on a debian system |
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| 07:51.59 | mmnicolas | ok, well there is a radio button for "Description" near the search field |
| 07:52.13 | anddam | woops |
| 07:52.29 | anddam | oopses |
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| 07:53.26 | anddam | thanks |
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| 08:07.23 | jelly-home | zetheroo: did the dock ever work? |
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| 08:07.58 | oggei | aloha |
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| 08:08.12 | zetheroo | jelly-home: yes, took it from a working system directly where it was fully operational ... |
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| 08:08.39 | qw12 | jelly-home: have you used encfs ? |
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| 08:08.49 | qw12 | anyone used encfs here for long ? |
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| 08:10.34 | jelly-home | zetheroo: weird, I guess it could be the cable or the controller. |
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| 08:11.22 | jelly-home | zetheroo: it's also possible that the driver is problematic in exactly the version of kernel that's in wheezy |
| 08:11.25 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.34 | jelly-home | the eSATA controller |
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| 08:12.50 | jelly-home | qw12: ask the real question, let people read it and perhaps answer if they know. I've set up encfs exactly once and it still works |
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| 08:13.49 | qw12 | jelly-home: i have had always problems with enfcs, i am 99.9% sure i remember the password correctly, but after long time if i try to mount it it doens't work |
| 08:14.00 | qw12 | does time synchronization or sometihng else matter here ? |
| 08:14.15 | jelly-home | no idea, it works for me |
| 08:14.36 | specing | qw12: Why not use full disk encryption? |
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| 08:23.37 | umbo | ciao |
| 08:23.52 | umbo | !list |
| 08:23.52 | dpkg | umbo: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 08:24.41 | jelly-home | specing: because it's overkill and requires reinstallation or a backup/restore cycle |
| 08:25.10 | specing | Why is it overkill? |
| 08:25.29 | jelly-home | *blink* |
| 08:25.38 | pitelpan | !list |
| 08:25.38 | dpkg | pitelpan: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 08:25.39 | Hardcore | someone knows how i can see if rlog is writing some data on local machine? |
| 08:25.48 | specing | I rather have the whole disk encrypted than worry about putting anything sensitive outside of /home/login |
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| 08:26.02 | jelly-home | specing: encfs works on a directory basis |
| 08:26.20 | jelly-home | the usage scenario is different from someone needing fde |
| 08:26.24 | qw12 | specing: because i want only for some files |
| 08:26.32 | specing | Ok, I give up |
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| 08:26.44 | qw12 | jelly-home: can i ask how long you have been using it ? |
| 08:27.01 | jelly-home | also, fde incurs a performance penalty |
| 08:27.28 | jelly-home | qw12: a couple months |
| 08:28.40 | specing | jelly-home: Having a performance penalty doesen't matter if your desktop computer idles at <10% cpu 95% of the time |
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| 08:28.44 | specing | s/desktop// |
| 08:28.49 | qw12 | jelly-home: ok |
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| 08:30.22 | jelly-home | specing: hah, noone cares what happens when it's idle. When it's not idle I want it responsive and snappy. |
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| 08:31.07 | specing | jelly-home: that is why I have everything compiled -match=core2 :) |
| 08:31.12 | jelly-home | specing: cryptsetup saturated a whole core at home when I tried it, since I want it there I upgraded the cpu to an aes-ni capable one |
| 08:31.14 | specing | march* |
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| 08:31.22 | jelly-home | specing: you're not running Debian, then |
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| 08:31.28 | specing | indeed :) |
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| 08:31.41 | jelly-home | wrong channel dude! |
| 08:31.41 | specing | debian is totally unusable for a desktop system |
| 08:31.48 | specing | IMHO |
| 08:32.00 | specing | good for server rapid deployment though |
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| 08:33.00 | gnarface | specing: you've clearly made the mistake of assuming for an operating system to be viable that it must also be capable of rapid deployment then. either you're a fool or trolling or both. |
| 08:33.04 | boudiccas | specing: crap! |
| 08:33.04 | jelly-home | but at work I don't need fde, so encfs or ecryptfs are an obvious choice to keep just the necessities in there |
| 08:33.19 | jelly-home | gnarface: please stop the needless troll-calling |
| 08:33.34 | gnarface | jelly-home: sometimes they don't themselves actually realize it |
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| 08:34.01 | jelly-home | gnarface: sometimes we can accept differing opinions |
| 08:34.04 | anddam | I'd like to set up a web proxy to allow an user on internet to browse through my server, squid3 docs seems rather complicated, is there a web proxy with quick setup (just http[s], specify name:password) in squeeze? |
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| 08:35.32 | specing | gnarface: No, I've clearly made the mistake by using the right tools for the right job. |
| 08:35.54 | jelly-home | specing: I'm assuming the context is debian on this channel and converse using that assumption |
| 08:36.03 | specing | ;_; |
| 08:36.15 | jelly-home | seems reasonable |
| 08:36.49 | specing | anddam: nginx |
| 08:36.54 | specing | in proxy mode |
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| 08:38.11 | jelly-home | specing: so if someone says dunno, fde is a superior option to file-based encryption it's going to be understood in that context |
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| 08:39.44 | gnarface | prefers using a serve OS on his desktop anyway |
| 08:39.48 | gnarface | *server |
| 08:39.58 | Iridos | severe ;) |
| 08:40.27 | gnarface | what's a window manager for but to open more terminals? |
| 08:40.36 | jelly-home | gnarface: so you use windows 2012 server? |
| 08:40.37 | specing | I have Gentoo on the servers which I've had time to migrate |
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| 08:41.13 | gnarface | jelly-home: redhat :-p |
| 08:41.33 | jelly-home | I don't have $$$ for redhat on workstations |
| 08:41.39 | gnarface | its ok i was lying |
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| 08:41.52 | gnarface | last time i ran redhat it was still free and debian had a shitty installer |
| 08:42.04 | gnarface | oh how the tables have turned |
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| 08:44.39 | gnarface | specing: i think in general you're right if you mean "with no customization" its just that debian DOES spend most the time tuning defaults for rapid/secure server deployment, and emphasizes user customization over preloaded bells+whistles. |
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| 08:45.47 | gnarface | specing: what this means is that to get a good desktop out of it, you merely have to have more patience for customization. this is fine because ubuntu users by and large (as an example) have NO patience for customization |
| 08:45.48 | mallxs | two desktops side-by-side (synergy) and many servers .. all debian, redhat only for the broadsoft |
| 08:46.18 | specing | gnarface: I think you got it the other way around |
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| 08:46.34 | specing | debian comes with preloaded bells and whistles |
| 08:46.45 | specing | Gentoo does not |
| 08:46.50 | gnarface | specing: you've never even tried expert install mode have you? |
| 08:47.02 | specing | I probably have |
| 08:47.05 | specing | I don't know |
| 08:47.08 | gnarface | you'd know |
| 08:47.12 | gnarface | see, that's what i'm talking about |
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| 08:47.24 | specing | writes it down for the next VM |
| 08:47.49 | gnarface | its fine that you have your own opinions its just that THESE opinions about debian show that you've prejudged it based on false expectations |
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| 08:48.05 | gnarface | expectations that, sadly, mark you as not incredibly experienced |
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| 08:48.21 | gnarface | i'm not pointing this out to insult you i'm pointing it out because i really think you'd benefit from a change of opinion |
| 08:48.38 | specing | Gentoo has no installer though, so no "expert install mode" |
| 08:48.55 | gnarface | its an entirely different approach |
| 08:49.04 | gnarface | it has its strengths too |
| 08:49.14 | specing | But I admit I started hating debian when I couldn't install nvidia drivers for a month about 4 years ago |
| 08:49.45 | gnarface | specing: there are always ways... sometimes it involves the occult... |
| 08:49.49 | jacobw | thinks that's probably nvidia's fault |
| 08:50.09 | gnarface | agrees with jacobw but wasn't going to tanget this conversation further by mentioning it |
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| 08:50.22 | specing | jacobw: the same install took about 3 minutes on Gentoo ;P |
| 08:50.36 | specing | the first time |
| 08:50.38 | nsadmin | specing, that's the work of one maint or group of maints out of thousands |
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| 08:51.04 | specing | No, the nvidia drivers package is unmodified |
| 08:51.14 | gnarface | specing: you can always use nvidia's official installer on your debian box. it will work just fine the only problem is it doesn't play nice with the native packages |
| 08:51.53 | gnarface | specing: the native packaged nvidia driver is ... of lower quality. there's a reason its quarantined in the non-free branch |
| 08:52.15 | specing | Why is it of lower quality? |
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| 08:52.23 | fleetfox | i've installed with official installer. am i doomed? |
| 08:52.30 | specing | It is of high quality if you ask me |
| 08:52.31 | mallxs | Hey i could not install drivers for my logitech keyboard, thats not debians fault; i should have never bought the logitech sh1t |
| 08:52.33 | berarma | fleetfox: yes |
| 08:52.39 | fleetfox | :( |
| 08:52.41 | gnarface | specing: various reasons... this week though because the people maintaining it clearly didn't understand multiarch very well before they started |
| 08:53.10 | gnarface | specing: other distros will just alter their policy or break it to include nvidia drivers because they put higher priority on gaming |
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| 08:54.12 | gnarface | mallxs: i realize this is stated probably as a parable... but which logitech keyboard? you can often get them working fully with a combination of synaptics and localized window manger specific bindings for the "multimedia keys" |
| 08:55.01 | gnarface | fleetfox: you're not doomed, its just that the nvidia official installer isn't dependency aware, so next time you upgrade X or your kernel it will probably go missing and need to be re-installed. |
| 08:55.16 | specing | gnarface: Gentoo's package manager handles the official installer pretty damn well |
| 08:55.18 | gnarface | fleetfox: the native packages take care of that extra step automatically |
| 08:55.52 | specing | it is linked to your kernel when you install it |
| 08:55.59 | gnarface | specing: that's because its not *packaging* it in the same sense that debian is. its merely running it and trusting upstream not to break everything. debian is a bit more pedantic about regression liability |
| 08:56.19 | gnarface | specing: and in gentoo one day upstream WILL break everything on you |
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| 08:56.28 | themill | specing: I don't know that we actually care what the gentoo package manager does. This is channel is for debian end-user support. |
| 08:56.29 | gnarface | specing: hope to hell you're not running that on anything important |
| 08:56.36 | berarma | gnarface: he's doomed indeed, he will have problems sooner or later |
| 08:56.36 | specing | No, everything is sandboxed |
| 08:56.42 | fleetfox | native packages? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/ thats the debian way here? |
| 08:56.53 | specing | I have been using these drivers for over 3 years |
| 08:56.59 | specing | No problems whatsoever |
| 08:57.28 | specing | The package manager won't install it if there are filesystem collisions |
| 08:57.28 | gnarface | awwwww! how cute! you're just a bAAABY! |
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| 08:57.41 | mallxs | gnarface: i have a G110, i have already compiled the g15deamon + g15lib so at least i have my lights on and the audio keys are working but i cant program macros on the extra keys |
| 08:57.42 | gnarface | listen guys! 3 years with no problems on gentoo! |
| 08:57.56 | fleetfox | ignore the troll |
| 08:58.31 | berarma | mallxs: what this keyboards needs a driver for? |
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| 08:59.08 | specing | gnarface: now you are the one trolling |
| 08:59.35 | gnarface | mallxs: oh this is fancy. i'm surprised you have the lights on. tell me; do you see those extra keys fire any signals when you mouseover an xev window and hit them? |
| 08:59.35 | specing | How much experience do you expect me to have with it? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? D'oh. |
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| 08:59.52 | mallxs | berarma: to turn on the lights in the keyboard and to program the extra function key .. but pls correct me if i'm wrong |
| 09:01.37 | gnarface | specing: well if you'd been using it for at least 6 years you'd know that they were both the first to market with a 64-bit distro, and the first to go into "stable" deployment everywhere with what turned out later to be a *catastrophically broken* 64-bit distro. hope you didn't put that shit on your mailservers |
| 09:02.02 | Hardcore | is it possible to writer somthing in a file with vim or so and if i cat or less the file the output is colored? |
| 09:02.14 | gnarface | specing: also, fyi there is a channel here on freenode called #debian-offtopic where you can go to start flame wars |
| 09:02.53 | specing | gnarface: Don't get me wrong, but if there weren't Gentoo and Slackware and others debian ETCH would still be TESTING |
| 09:03.16 | gnarface | isn't sure about that but really liked etch |
| 09:03.31 | berarma | mallxs: I was asking out of curiosity, it seems like the g15* packages should work with that keyboard |
| 09:03.37 | themill | thinks we're beyond random ranting now.... → #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 09:04.11 | berarma | ,version g15daemon |
| 09:04.12 | judd | Package: g15daemon on i386 -- lenny: 1.9.5.3-3; squeeze: 1.9.5.3-8.1; sid: 1.9.5.3-8.2; wheezy: 1.9.5.3-8.2 |
| 09:04.25 | specing | :) |
| 09:04.25 | berarma | mallxs: why did you compile them? |
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| 09:04.53 | nsadmin | specing, curious, how do you figure? |
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| 09:06.10 | gnarface | mallxs: i wasn't aware of the g15* packages. i would have just bound the keys raw to other key sequences in e |
| 09:08.05 | specing | nsadmin: How do I figure what? |
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| 09:10.02 | mallxs | gnarface: the extra key dont even showup in the xev so they cant light up, i can see the scancodes of the keys (forgot the tool i used to see them) |
| 09:10.09 | nsadmin | specing, since this is not even close to helping folks, meet you on #debian-offtopic |
| 09:10.23 | qw12 | hi nsadmin |
| 09:10.30 | berarma | mallxs: why did you compile them instead of installing the packages in Debian? |
| 09:10.36 | nsadmin | hi |
| 09:10.47 | specing | ;_; |
| 09:11.29 | gnarface | mallxs: hmm. interesting. its USB right? i was under the impression that if xev doesn't even *see* all the buttons then the kernel-level USB driver is missing code for your device. maybe the g15 deamons are supposed to fix that |
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| 09:11.51 | mallxs | berarma: i had to patch them to see my G110 |
| 09:11.54 | gnarface | mallxs: but according to my brief research, all those are for are for LSC screen control on the keyboard |
| 09:12.04 | gnarface | mallxs: sorry LCD i mean |
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| 09:12.44 | gnarface | mallxs: which debian version and kernel version did you say you were using again? |
| 09:12.53 | mallxs | they are part for the LCD which the G110 doesnt have |
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| 09:14.48 | mallxs | 2.6.32-5-amd64 6.0.3 squeeze |
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| 09:16.45 | gnarface | hmm |
| 09:16.59 | gnarface | mallxs: you may benefit from a backport 3.2.x kernel |
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| 09:17.45 | berarma | mallxs: you may try their own repository, http://www.gnome15.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23&Itemid=33 |
| 09:18.10 | berarma | mallxs: just to rule out patching/compiling problems |
| 09:18.14 | mallxs | actually all i need is to have some small key sequence on the extra keys like :%y+ |
| 09:19.03 | riek | hey guys. i'm trying to install lemp after this how to: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-nginx-with-php5-and-mysql-support-on-debian-squeeze but when you should remove lighttpd from boot i get an error message: "using dependency based boot sequencing". To that topic i found something in the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot but i dont think i quite understand it |
| 09:19.40 | riek | what does it mean? how do i have to adjust the command |
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| 09:20.23 | mallxs | berarma: thx *that i nver found that page my self * |
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| 09:21.23 | berarma | mallxs: I know :-) |
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| 09:22.35 | Sevet | riek: 'using dependency based boot sequencing' isn't an error, what else do you see |
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| 09:23.10 | Sevet | 'using dependency based boot sequencing' just means it's configuring a service to start on boot |
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| 09:23.42 | riek | Sevet: "update-rc.d -f lighttpd remove update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing". so i everything is alright? |
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| 09:25.24 | aLeSD | hi all |
| 09:25.47 | aLeSD | how to deactivate the autostart of a service ? |
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| 09:28.10 | Sevet | riek: if you saw no other errors sure |
| 09:28.20 | riek | ok thanks |
| 09:28.53 | Sevet | aLeSD: "update-rc.d SERVICENAME disable" |
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| 09:29.33 | Sevet | (some services can also be disabled in their /etc/default/SERVICENAME file) |
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| 09:30.39 | mallxs | berarma: gnome15-debian : Depends: gnome15-accessibility-icons but it is not installable |
| 09:31.24 | jacobw | gnome15? |
| 09:31.31 | aLeSD | Sevet: thanks |
| 09:32.05 | mallxs | jacobw: the 15 hints to the G15 keyboard |
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| 09:46.59 | Shadow` | squeeze has no multiarch-support? :( |
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| 09:52.40 | babilen | Shadow`: multi-arch support is a release goal goal for wheezy and wasn't ready/implemented/thought out/... when squeeze was released. See http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/MultiArch |
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| 09:56.16 | mallxs | thats funny gnome15 depends on gnome15--accessibility-icons and gnome15--accessibility-icons depends on gnome15 .. so how do i break this deadlock ? |
| 09:57.19 | babilen | mallxs: Ask whoever created those packages. They are certainly not part of Debian and therefore not supported in here. |
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| 09:58.37 | mallxs | babilen: i know .. was hooping for a hint on how to force to install one of them |
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| 10:03.18 | berarma | mallxs: that's not a deadlock, it's to ensure you install both |
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| 10:09.17 | mrtnt_ | Has anyone used or seen hosting service where hosting service provider suballocates an IPv4 or IPv6 network to hosting client? |
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| 10:10.12 | specing | mrtnt_: you mean were you can rent a /30 or larger network? |
| 10:10.24 | mallxs | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.29 | specing | mrtnt_: yes, but it is expensive |
| 10:11.02 | specing | I think a /24 IPv4 is 150$ / month |
| 10:11.07 | mallxs | for ipv4 it is 1 euro per ipnumber per month |
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| 10:11.32 | wutx | Hi, do I need all of the 6 Debian DVD's? |
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| 10:11.42 | specing | wutx: there are 8 and no |
| 10:11.44 | wutx | Why are there 6 anyway? |
| 10:11.44 | babilen | wutx: Do you have internet access? |
| 10:11.52 | wutx | yes.. |
| 10:12.05 | wutx | Is that a google it reference, babilen? |
| 10:12.07 | Phil-Work | mrtnt_, Hetzner isn't overly expensive |
| 10:12.09 | specing | wutx: get a netinst cd |
| 10:12.18 | mrtnt_ | specing: yes, I mean for example /30 or /29 and if I do "whois <my-IP>" then I see that those addresses are sub-allocated to my company by my hosting provider |
| 10:12.20 | babilen | wutx: Do you expect to be without internet access at any point in time and what do you want to do with the Debian CDs/DVDs ? |
| 10:12.33 | wutx | But do I need all of those anyway? |
| 10:12.46 | Phil-Work | mrtnt_, Hetzner will do that too |
| 10:12.55 | babilen | wutx: They contain *all* packages in Debian and allow you to install them if you don't have internet access. |
| 10:12.55 | specing | wutx: no |
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| 10:13.11 | wutx | I just want Debian installed to my hard drive. ex-ubuntu user here. |
| 10:13.56 | mrtnt_ | specing: Phil-Work do you mean Hetzner.de? And can you name some other hosting provider who provides such service? |
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| 10:14.04 | project2501a | is there a way in debian to install multiple versions of the same library for the same architecture? example: lib boost 1.42 AND libboost 1.49 |
| 10:14.09 | babilen | wutx: Ok, you mentioned that you have internet access. How can you connect to the internet (ethernet, wireless, pidgeons, ...) and on what kind of hardware are you installing? (Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net ?) |
| 10:14.22 | Phil-Work | mrtnt_, yes hetzner.de. No I don't know of anyone else though there are undoubtedly others |
| 10:14.42 | Phil-Work | oh, Rackspace does too |
| 10:14.47 | babilen | wutx: You really don't need all CDs or DVDs -- Those images contain all thirty-something-thousand packages in Debian. |
| 10:15.09 | wutx | babilen: This is a new computer that came by default with windows.. I don't like it. / I use wireless/ rltk 8188CE |
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| 10:15.52 | babilen | wutx: Can you connect via ethernet for the installation and is your wireless encrypted? (If so: How?) |
| 10:16.27 | wutx | WPA2 / Can't get wired @babilen |
| 10:16.44 | wutx | babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso this? |
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| 10:16.55 | babilen | wutx: Ok. Do you know which desktop environment you would like to use? |
| 10:17.05 | wutx | babilen: gnome2 |
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| 10:19.53 | babilen | wutx: Ok - Your wireless adaptor needs a newer kernel and firmware (cf. "/msg dpkg rtl8192ce) -- We provide an semi-unofficial installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) that contains a newer kernel and firmware and also allows you to connect to your wireless. |
| 10:20.57 | babilen | wutx: Which processor and how much RAM do you have? |
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| 10:21.18 | wutx | babilen: i5, 6GB (4+2) |
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| 10:23.12 | mrtnt_ | Phil-Work: ok, thanks! I'll check with them. What do you think why somebody would like such service? |
| 10:23.18 | wutx | babilen: sandy-bridge |
| 10:23.27 | babilen | wutx: Ok -- Get the amd64 image and download http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek -- I think that the realtek firmware comes with the kmuto installer, but if it doesn't you have it ready. You can supply it on a removable medium (i.e. USB stick) as detailed in "/msg dpkg installer firmware" |
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| 10:24.40 | babilen | wutx: Once you are done with the initial installation I would recommend to come back. You want to make sure that you have backports (/msg dpkg backports) configured in your sources.list and I would recommend to install a newer Xorg version from backports as well. The process to do the latter is detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" |
| 10:24.45 | wutx | babilen: Can I get the images with linux 2.6.38 too? |
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| 10:25.24 | babilen | wutx: No you cannot. Why do you want that version? |
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| 10:25.52 | wutx | babilen: so this is okay, right? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/backports/squeeze/squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso |
| 10:26.06 | babilen | wutx: Please also note that gnome2 will not be part of the upcoming Debian release (wheezy) and that you will have to switch to either Gnome3 or a different desktop environment then. |
| 10:26.10 | wutx | babilen: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-324-squeeze.htm |
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| 10:27.06 | Phil-Work | mrtnt_, the only reason I can think of is because of the abuse contact |
| 10:27.19 | wutx | Anyway, thanks babilen . :) |
| 10:27.35 | babilen | wutx: Yeah, that is exactly the installer I am recommending. But give me just two more minutes. Your hardware is newer than what is supported by the kernel/X in squeeze (current) stable. |
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| 10:29.10 | babilen | wutx: One way to deal with that is to use backported (from a development branch) packages (cf. "/msg dpkg backports) or to run the development branch directly. The former approach is what I explained to you right now and consists of 1. Using a newer installer (kmuto) 2. Using backports to install a newer kernel (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) which should be done by the kmuto installer 3. Installing a newer Xorg version from backports (/msg dpkg bdo xorg) |
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| 10:29.56 | babilen | wutx: This is a reasonable installation, but a bit complicated for a complete beginner. I would therefore just recommend to use the kmuto installer for the initial installation and to come back. |
| 10:30.13 | wutx | ok thanks babilen, will try. |
| 10:30.33 | babilen | Just wanted to explain the reasoning a bit more. |
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| 10:32.36 | babilen | wutx: Hang on ... where is the 324 kmuto image? |
| 10:33.41 | wutx | babilen: 315 is the latest advertised on their site.. |
| 10:33.48 | babilen | wutx: Just to make sure: I am referring to: squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso |
| 10:34.08 | wutx | babilen: I am downloading it now, thanks. |
| 10:34.24 | babilen | wutx: Don't forget to download http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek too :) |
| 10:35.07 | wutx | I did, thanks babilen! |
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| 10:36.14 | hendry | i can't seem to remove dash from my system. Am I missing something? |
| 10:36.15 | hendry | https://gist.github.com/3634779 |
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| 10:39.24 | berarma | hendry: the message is very clear |
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| 10:39.46 | berarma | hendry: besides you've interrupted the command |
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| 10:41.11 | hendry | berarma: why by removing dash, it wants to remove bash too?? |
| 10:41.52 | berarma | hendry: because the bash package needs dash |
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| 10:46.53 | mads- | Can I somehow with sed remove everything from start of line to the first / ? |
| 10:47.37 | maukd | perl -pe 's!^[^/]*!!' # someone else translate to sed |
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| 10:48.00 | themill | sed 's,.*/,,' |
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| 10:48.24 | mint | Hello, is there a way to ping more than 64 bytes of data in Ubuntu? |
| 10:48.27 | mint | *Debian |
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| 10:48.57 | themill | mint: ahh... if "first /" is important then you'll need to change the .* to not match the / as maukd said |
| 10:49.40 | mint | ? |
| 10:49.57 | themill | mint: I think you've already received your answer in #ubuntu. |
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| 10:50.00 | themill | dpkg: tell mint about cross-post |
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| 10:53.11 | mint | themill: What's wrong with getting faster help? I don't see how it is inpolite. |
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| 10:53.25 | themill | try reading what dpkg said |
| 10:54.14 | babilen | mint: Furthermore note that we only support Debian (and Debian users) in here for a number of technical *and* social reasons. |
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| 10:55.57 | Subfusc | is wheezys now frozen? (in terms of application major versions etc.) |
| 10:55.57 | hendry | berarma: how on earth is that possible? |
| 10:56.04 | Subfusc | *wheezy |
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| 10:56.31 | Sevet | !tell mint about based on debian |
| 10:56.31 | Sevet | mint: did you try reading 'man ping', there's an option for that |
| 10:56.52 | mint | babilen: I am a Debian user, Ubuntu user, openSUSE user, Kubuntu user, Mandriva user, Fedora user, Xubuntu user, Lubuntu user, CentOS user, Mageia user, Puppy Linux user, SliTaz user, Edubuntu user, Arch Linux user, ArchBang user, CrunchBang user, BackTrack user and MORE! |
| 10:57.01 | hendry | berarma: oh i see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537913 |
| 10:57.04 | berarma | !possible |
| 10:57.04 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! |
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| 10:57.08 | babilen | mint: I would recommend ##linux in that case |
| 10:57.15 | mint | Just because you can't afford a 5TB SSD hard drive for all those operating systems. |
| 10:57.42 | Subfusc | mint: how do you decide what to boot in the morning? |
| 10:57.48 | themill | mint: There's nothing to discuss here. Please move on. |
| 10:57.50 | babilen | Subfusc: Yes (see /topic and "/msg dpkg freeze") |
| 10:58.00 | mint | Not forgetting Windows XP user, Windows Vista user, Windows 7 user, Windows 2000 user, Windows 95 user, Windows 98 user, Windows NT user, MS DOS user AND MORE! |
| 10:58.06 | mint | Oh, and Haiku. |
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| 10:58.11 | Subfusc | babilen: thank you :) |
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| 10:58.27 | babilen | Subfusc: You are welcome :) |
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| 11:12.16 | pierpier | hi all |
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| 11:15.17 | pierpier | on wheezy, i have iceweasel freezing, more or less unusable, since recent updates - same problem with experimental version, or disabling addons - anybody with same issue ? thanks in advance |
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| 11:16.55 | boudiccas | pierpier: i use firefox on wheezy with no problems, try it and see |
| 11:17.14 | babilen | .oO( That is not really an option now, is it? ) |
| 11:18.02 | boudiccas | babilen: sorry? |
| 11:18.03 | babilen | pierpier: Please check the BTS and also try it with a new profile. Does it freeze randomly or as a result of a specific actions. Which packages exactly did you upgrade? |
| 11:19.27 | babilen | boudiccas: Iceweasel will not be fixed by using unsupported third-party software. It might solve the "I have no usable browser" problem, but installing Chromium, Epiphany, Konqueror, ... achieves the same without resorting to third-party software. |
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| 11:19.52 | babilen | (with, admittedly, a larger impact on the user experience) |
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| 11:20.25 | boudiccas | babilen: ah right, i see where you're coming from. true |
| 11:20.53 | themill | pierpier: what does "more or less unusable" actually mean? |
| 11:21.26 | pierpier | boudiccas: BTS ? |
| 11:21.59 | babilen | pierpier: bts == http://bugs.debian.org -- and see themill's question. |
| 11:21.59 | boudiccas | pierpier: yes, BTS aka bug tracking system |
| 11:22.13 | blubberdiblub | pierpier, and it might also be interesting if you're running the version from the wheezy repository or a newer version |
| 11:22.36 | gnarface | pierpier: yes, unload all your modules and plugins and themes. run a *stock* iceweasel and try the same sites/actions to make sure the problem is not one of your plugins/modules |
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| 11:22.54 | gnarface | pierpier: version mismatches are NOTORIOUS for tanking firefox/iceweasel |
| 11:23.20 | themill | not restarting iceweasel following an upgrade is a common problem, sadly |
| 11:23.28 | pierpier | babilen: boudiccas thanks - OK, i have it installed - unusable means very slow, but don't know when |
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| 11:29.48 | wutix | babil_en still around? *sorry for alterating your name, I didn't want to highlight* |
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| 11:35.12 | pierpier | iceweasel : found in BTS #674908 - [sparc] iceweasel: JavaScript crash on some sites, but reported for SPARC, i'm on i386 |
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| 11:47.28 | _Christophe_ | Does anybody know how I could re-add a partition to a raid array? |
| 11:47.43 | pierpier | gnarface: thanks, just not enough searching : it works fine with a brand new profile, i'll try to identify the troublemaker |
| 11:47.53 | _Christophe_ | When I try root@serveur:~# mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:47.53 | _Christophe_ | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
| 11:48.05 | _Christophe_ | I've got an error :/ |
| 11:48.12 | jelly | _Christophe_: have you read the mdadm manual, in particular --fail, --remove, --add options? |
| 11:48.46 | _Christophe_ | Yes but jelly, the array I'm trying to manage is the one containing the OS |
| 11:48.48 | jelly | _Christophe_: if the member has failed previously but is still listed in /proc/mdstat, first --remove it then --add it back |
| 11:48.57 | jelly | _Christophe_: irrelevant |
| 11:48.57 | _Christophe_ | May be it is normal no? |
| 11:49.14 | _Christophe_ | Ok, jelly, I'll try |
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| 11:51.57 | _Christophe_ | jelly it seems to be ok but I've got something to look at concerning converting the partition into a spare |
| 11:52.24 | wutix | umm guys can you frugal install debian to hard disk with unetbootin? |
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| 11:56.48 | _Christophe_ | jelly, do you think I have to do what is suggested? |
| 11:57.21 | _Christophe_ | root@serveur:~# mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 |
| 11:57.21 | _Christophe_ | mdadm: /dev/sdb1 reports being an active member for /dev/md0, but a --re-add fails. |
| 11:57.21 | _Christophe_ | mdadm: not performing --add as that would convert /dev/sdb1 in to a spare. |
| 11:57.21 | _Christophe_ | mdadm: To make this a spare, use "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb1" first. |
| 11:57.34 | jelly | _Christophe_: spares are dealt with in a different way. I don't know what your current setup is. |
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| 11:57.50 | _Christophe_ | jelly |
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| 11:58.13 | _Christophe_ | What I tried is to resync the both partitions sda1 and sdb1 being part of /dev/md0 |
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| 11:58.26 | _Christophe_ | For that I set /dev/sdb1 fail |
| 11:58.51 | _Christophe_ | Next I removed it as you said because I wasn't abe to add it back |
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| 11:59.04 | _Christophe_ | Now I would like to add it but I can't |
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| 11:59.26 | _Christophe_ | Do I miss something else? |
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| 12:00.57 | _Christophe_ | You've got no idea jelly? |
| 12:02.26 | _Christophe_ | Nobody else could help me? |
| 12:03.33 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: Can you summ-up on pastebin? cat /proc/mdstat; fdisk -l ob the affected disks. check dmesg for related stuff. I do not know if I can help you. |
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| 12:05.30 | _Christophe_ | jelly here it is:http://pastebin.com/rTAsmA7L |
| 12:05.55 | _Christophe_ | I suppose that the thing to do is simple but I don't want to crash the machine. |
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| 12:06.21 | _Christophe_ | To synthesize, what I was trying is to look how to resync to partitions |
| 12:06.39 | _Christophe_ | I set a partition (/dev/sdb1) as a failed partition. |
| 12:06.44 | _Christophe_ | Next I removed it. |
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| 12:06.59 | _Christophe_ | And now I would like to add it to the array /dev/md0 again. |
| 12:07.02 | _Christophe_ | But I can't |
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| 12:09.26 | jelly | _Christophe_: sorry, I'm busy at the moment... try the #linux-raid channel if noone else jumps in |
| 12:09.50 | _Christophe_ | Ok, thank you jelly |
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| 12:13.37 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: What happens on an add request? Any error message? I expected to see that in the summ-up. Man mdadm offers re-add, I never needed that, add work allways for me. |
| 12:14.23 | _Christophe_ | ChrisH, when I try to add I have an error: |
| 12:14.24 | _Christophe_ | root@serveur:~# mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:14.24 | _Christophe_ | mdadm: /dev/sdb1 reports being an active member for /dev/md0, but a --re-add fails. |
| 12:14.24 | _Christophe_ | mdadm: not performing --add as that would convert /dev/sdb1 in to a spare. |
| 12:14.24 | _Christophe_ | mdadm: To make this a spare, use "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb1" first. |
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| 12:16.50 | _Christophe_ | ANy idea ChrisH? |
| 12:17.20 | jonet | Evening, I'm looking for a solution to manage configuration files and installed packages on a cluster of Debian Squeeze machines. Does anybody have a suggestion? |
| 12:17.28 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: give me some minutes to check... |
| 12:17.34 | _Christophe_ | Ok :) |
| 12:17.36 | _Christophe_ | Thanks :) |
| 12:17.56 | ansgar | jonet: puppet and similar tools? |
| 12:18.13 | _Christophe_ | May be I just have to use the specified command in the error message but I don't want to make something bad |
| 12:18.14 | jonet | Yes, puppet is on my list on tools to have a look at. |
| 12:18.30 | _Christophe_ | I don't know what is the used partition for the system. |
| 12:18.45 | jonet | Thats for configuration distribution, we also need a system to keep a cluster of ~50 machines up to date and installed new packages. |
| 12:18.48 | jonet | *install |
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| 12:19.44 | ansgar | jonet: You can tell puppet to install packages. I also find it convinient to have my own repository for custom packages (-> reprepro). |
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| 12:22.07 | jonet | ansgar: Yes, we are going to setup our own repository as well, since we need to deploy some forked packages like sudo-ldap etc. |
| 12:22.45 | ansgar | jonet: Hmm, let me guess: fun with SSL + LDAP? :) |
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| 12:23.31 | jonet | Actually no, our IS is a mess for the time being. We need a system to track capabilities, privileges and permissions across 10+ systems. I find LDAP being the most widely supported backend overall. |
| 12:23.55 | jonet | And in the rare occasion where it's not supported it's usually a matter of 300-400 lines of code to implement it. |
| 12:24.01 | jonet | Or wrap it. |
| 12:24.24 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: Searching the web I found some intersting hints... If the MD Device is small enough (and you wanted to do a full resync if I got you right) the --zero-superblock will help you to get the mirror back in place. Costs: full sync needed. eg http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=5549 or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651880 or other ones |
| 12:24.27 | jonet | ansgar: Do you mean puppet core or the payed version? |
| 12:24.56 | dkarampin | hi, can someone help me with this: http://pastebin.com/QhpYQvS3 ? |
| 12:25.06 | dkarampin | same problem appears when I try to install other packages |
| 12:25.09 | dkarampin | also |
| 12:25.28 | _Christophe_ | Thanks you ChrisH, I'll take a look at your links. |
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| 12:25.58 | _Christophe_ | ChrisH, how could I know what disk is used for booting the hard drive? |
| 12:26.03 | _Christophe_ | I have to look at grub? |
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| 12:26.19 | ansgar | jonet: No, there is a "feature" in libgcrypt (which is used for SSL by libldap) which breaks setuid applications like sudo... |
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| 12:27.43 | ansgar | jonet: I have only used the free parts of puppet. Not doing that much with it either. |
| 12:28.05 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: I do not understand your Questioen.... if you run mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb1 <<-- sdb1 not SDB !! it should only affect the MD specific part... I would, to be sure, re-run grub-install |
| 12:28.23 | wZ | Hi, is there a way to exclude a package from apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade ? |
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| 12:28.28 | wZ | on command line. |
| 12:28.29 | wZ | ? |
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| 12:28.46 | _Christophe_ | ChrisH, but may be the partition (sdb1) I will put 0 on it is the one used by grub to boot. |
| 12:29.50 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: check cat /proc/cmdline and find out where the mentioned kernel is. from your pastebin only sdb1 is marked bootable... which does not make sense. sda1 as belonging to the same mirror must be bootable, too! |
| 12:29.53 | jonet | ansgar: Sorry I missed the point with libgcrypt.. But we're using sudo-ldap to distribute sudoers via LDAP backend. |
| 12:30.33 | jonet | Is there any other system that could manage a medium-sized cluster network in terms of configuration and system updates? |
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| 12:30.54 | _Christophe_ | Ah ok ChrisH, so I'll try to make it bootable too before changing the sdb1 partition |
| 12:31.16 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: AFTER is even more important! |
| 12:31.23 | _Christophe_ | Sure? |
| 12:31.38 | _Christophe_ | And what if the server crash after puting 0 ont the sdb1 partition? |
| 12:31.55 | _Christophe_ | I would have to use a Live CD to make the sda1 bootable? |
| 12:32.49 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: After you did the zero-superblock you need to re-run the install-grub again. Running before is fine to decrease the risk during adding the disk again |
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| 12:33.26 | _Christophe_ | Damn ChrisH grub is not installed |
| 12:33.55 | _Christophe_ | Are you sure if I do 1. zeroing the sdb1 partition ; 2. make sda1 bootable everytihng will be safe? |
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| 12:34.53 | dkarampin | any help with that: http://pastebin.com/QhpYQvS3 ? |
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| 12:38.11 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: Once more.... 1. make sda1 bootable ; 2. zero-superblock sdb1 ; 3. add sdb1; 4. make sda1, sdb1 again bootable. you most probably want to change the partitions bootable flags, too. If possible modify grub config to be able to boot from both mirror sides and TEST IT! And I cannot garantue everything is safe and no risk.... But that is what I would do with my server. |
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| 12:40.07 | _Christophe_ | Ok, thank you ChrisH, I'll look how to make a partition bootable. |
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| 12:45.05 | jmelis | hi guys, is there any debian channel specific to packaging questions? |
| 12:45.41 | themill | jmelis: here if it's quick or #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net if it's going to be a longer or more difficult problem |
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| 12:48.49 | jmelis | themill: I think it's an easy question for someone familiar with http://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit . I'm trying to follow this guide http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/pkg-opennebula/GitWorkflow#Importing_new_upstream_release to import a new upstream version of OpenNebula. The thing is that it doesn't make much sense to use git-import-dsc, with that, since it requiers a dsc, which I don't have, since the new upstream realease hasn't been packaged yet... |
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| 12:51.31 | ansgar | jmelis: That git-import-dsc wants to be a git-import-orig (as used later in the text). |
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| 12:55.09 | jmelis | ansgar: thank you very much, that makes sense :) |
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| 12:55.53 | dkarampin | any help with that: http://pastebin.com/QhpYQvS3 ? |
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| 12:58.05 | babilen | !tell dkarampin -about bat |
| 12:58.37 | jtheuer | do you know an efficient task list tool? command line / gui / gnome / kde, I don't care but it must be as easy to use a an editor. no mouse needed, just quickly fill in new tasks and mark old tasks as done |
| 12:58.40 | babilen | dkarampin: Please use http://paste.debian.net for pastes as pastebin.com is horrible. Furthermore paste your sources.list and the "apt-cache policy" output for icedove. |
| 13:00.19 | ansgar | jtheuer: Emacs' Org-mode? Should come pretty close to be as easy to use as an editor ;) |
| 13:00.39 | dkarampin | ok, here it is: http://paste.debian.net/188002/ |
| 13:01.13 | babilen | jtheuer: You can also use org-mode in vim or use a tool such as task, w2do or yokadi. (among others) |
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| 13:02.12 | jtheuer | ah some programs to try out, thanks. I guess my editor-like-easy-to-use requirements conflicts with sync to android app, right? ... |
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| 13:03.03 | babilen | dkarampin: What does "aptitude search ~U" and "aptitude search ~b" and "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'" give you? |
| 13:03.44 | ansgar | jtheuer: No, there is MobileOrg for iOS/Android. |
| 13:03.58 | babilen | dkarampin: When and how did you upgrade to/install testing? Could you also show me the output of "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" ? |
| 13:04.55 | babilen | jtheuer: A short google query came up with todo.txt, but I have no idea if it is free software and/or packaged for Debian |
| 13:05.27 | dkarampin | babilen, I did a net-install then changed the sources.list to what you see and then did an aptitude upgrade |
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| 13:06.27 | babilen | dkarampin: Ok. You have not fully upgraded to testing. Please run "apt-get dist-upgrade" and restart your system. Paste the output of the commands I listed earlier after you've done that. Are you sure that you want "testing" and not "wheezy" ? |
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| 13:07.15 | dkarampin | babilen, yes, thanks. I'll do what you said |
| 13:07.22 | rent0n | babilen: why would one want to track wheezy over testing? |
| 13:07.31 | ska | Do I need to do anything special to install a dkms package? |
| 13:07.42 | babilen | rent0n: Because one might want to stay on wheezy once it has been released as stable. |
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| 13:07.54 | themill | rent0n: straight after the release is made is a bad time to be tracking testing |
| 13:08.01 | babilen | ska: Special in what way? You install it just like any other package as well. |
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| 13:08.44 | themill | ska: you probably want to make sure you have the right linux-headers-* package installed |
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| 13:08.54 | ska | babilen: does that trigger a compilation of the package source? |
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| 13:10.36 | babilen | ska: It should. Which package are we talking about here, what have you done, what did you expect to happen and what did happen? |
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| 13:12.20 | ska | babilen: I am replacing r8168-dkms with a newer version: r8168-dkms_8.031.00-1_all.deb. |
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| 13:12.49 | ska | babilen: I have not started yet. Just checking before I start . |
| 13:12.52 | _Christophe_ | Thanks jelly and ChrisH, the anwser to my problem was to "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdb1" before adding the partition to the array |
| 13:13.06 | _Christophe_ | Next it automatically resync the partitions. |
| 13:13.10 | babilen | ,v r8168-dkms |
| 13:13.11 | judd | Package: r8168-dkms on i386 -- sid: 8.031.00-1 |
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| 13:13.53 | ChrisH | _Christophe_: thanks for coming back... It should work (and see the bug, will work) without need to zero-superblock. |
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| 13:14.19 | babilen | ska: Well, you need the kernel header for every kernel that you want to compile the module for (as themill noted earlier), but apart from that it should just compile it. Why do you do this manually? Which Debian release are you tracking? |
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| 13:15.53 | rent0n | themill: can't I just wait a couple of weeks after wheezy is released to update my testing installation? |
| 13:16.22 | babilen | rent0n: Sure, but it makes a lot more sense to track wheezy during that time as you will actually get security upgrades. |
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| 13:17.03 | ska | babilen: its ubuntu 12.04,. |
| 13:17.06 | rent0n | babilen: right, this makes perfect sense, thank you |
| 13:18.23 | themill | rent0n: s/weeks/months/ as a general rule |
| 13:19.09 | babilen | ska: Ask in #ubuntu in that case. |
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| 13:25.50 | rent0n | themill: wow, that much? So testing really becomes unstable for ~2 months after each release? |
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| 13:26.17 | runix__ | heyas; I did -something- and now my initramfs is not asking for the luks password anymore; I've /etc/crypttab setup and everything. When booting, I'm dropped in the initramfs shell, if I cryptsetup and lvm vgscan there, and I hit ctrl+d; the initramfs scripts continue and I'm asked for the cryptofs password then! (instead of being asked when trying to find the lvm volumes). any hints? |
| 13:26.18 | babilen | quite literally :) |
| 13:26.38 | themill | rent0n: depends. personally, I don't touch it for quite some time after a release, but then I value my time. |
| 13:27.20 | babilen | rent0n: testing is always unstable (in the Debian sense, see "/msg dpkg stable"), but it is not a pleasant ride after the release. Unstable is different in that regard and probably nicer. I would recommend to either stay on stable for some time or to track unstable. |
| 13:28.58 | rent0n | what about debian testing derivatives such as LMDE? How do they deal with this? I mean they're supposed to be user-friendly distros after all |
| 13:29.20 | babilen | rent0n: No idea -- I would suggest to ask them. |
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| 13:30.55 | babilen | rent0n: Some people within Debian are quite adamant that testing should not be tracked by users at all and is merely a tool that makes it easier to prepare a release btw. |
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| 13:31.55 | rent0n | babilen: for that reason? |
| 13:32.20 | _Christophe_ | Ok ChrisH |
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| 13:33.39 | osfd | Hi there. I try to install pyusb (1.6) from source. The Makefile first line want to include Makefile.conf that is not included in the dir. What shoudl I do ?? please |
| 13:33.45 | babilen | rent0n: For many other reasons as well, among them: No real security support, packages can and are removed, installability in testing is not important, ... |
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| 13:39.33 | babilen | rent0n: You might want to read http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/10/04/can-debian-offer-a-constantly-usable-testing-distribution/ and "/msg dpkg debian cut". I currently can't find the discussion that I was thinking about when I made that comment though ... |
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| 13:41.15 | babilen | rent0n: Must have been somewhere in (the now historical) discussions on -rolling and -cut -- http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=659 |
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| 14:18.07 | lolpr0n | hey wen ever i try install debian i get error wat i do? |
| 14:19.21 | babilen | lolpr0n: Please check your spelling as it is quite hard to read. How are you trying to install Debian and which error do you get? |
| 14:20.24 | lolpr0n | @BABILEN I TRY INsta;ll debian use Cd and i get error "Coud not mount cd" |
| 14:20.50 | maukd | what do you mean by "use Cd"? |
| 14:21.25 | lolpr0n | use cd install debian iso |
| 14:21.31 | babilen | lolpr0n: And you don't need the "@" this isn't twitter. What do you do exactly? (which image do you download, do you burn it, which installer ....) |
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| 14:21.58 | maukd | lolpr0n: no, what exactly are you doing? |
| 14:22.02 | jtheuer | I have a large (2GB) file and want to find the first occurence of a char < code 20 - any ideas what to use? |
| 14:22.08 | lolpr0n | @ after user name or wut |
| 14:22.13 | lolpr0n | like babilen@? |
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| 14:23.39 | lolpr0n | i download iso 1 bunn it onto cd set bios tto boot from it and get error "Could not mount cdd" |
| 14:23.40 | maukd | lolpr0n: just don't use @ |
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| 14:24.10 | babilen | lolpr0n: Which image did you download? |
| 14:24.23 | maukd | jtheuer: once you've found it, what are you going to do with the information? |
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| 14:24.36 | lolpr0n | cd 1 mid size cd like 600mb |
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| 14:25.45 | jtheuer | maukd: it is bad char in a large xml file, ideally I want to see the context so some chars before and after |
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| 14:26.44 | lolpr0n | got ban from #troll on geeknet |
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| 14:27.42 | maukd | jtheuer: wait, tabs and newlines are < 20 |
| 14:28.09 | lolpr0n | plz sum1 help this annoy me |
| 14:28.11 | themill | jtheuer: a tool like xmllint might be handy then |
| 14:28.44 | babilen | lolpr0n: Either ask detailed and specific questions in here or stay quiet. I also don't care which channels you have been banned from, but would strongly suggest to check your spelling once more. |
| 14:28.51 | jtheuer | maukd: yes but there are not newlines or tabs |
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| 14:29.35 | jtheuer | I guess I need some hex editor to find the mistake. It is not visible in a normal editor (of course) |
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| 14:29.38 | maukd | grep -C3 $'[\x01-\x08\x0b-\x13]' |
| 14:29.41 | maukd | maybe |
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| 14:29.54 | maukd | also, get a better editor |
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| 14:30.05 | lolpr0n | babilen i sorry i not gud at english i no be live here very long and i ask a corrected crestion |
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| 14:31.43 | babilen | lolpr0n: What is your native language? |
| 14:31.51 | lolpr0n | swedish |
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| 14:33.27 | lolpr0n | why i 12 inglish very hard 4 me |
| 14:34.11 | babilen | lolpr0n: Try a Swedish mailing list (http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-swedish/) or learn English. There is also absolutely no need for your SMS speech. So either type normally *now* or stay quiet. |
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| 14:34.50 | themill | Or try #debian.se |
| 14:35.27 | lolpr0n | But they're only 10 people tere |
| 14:35.39 | lolpr0n | babilen i try learn inglish it very haed |
| 14:35.50 | themill | 1 person who understands you is better than 1244 who do not |
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| 14:37.26 | lolpr0n | 1 person who understands me is not better than 1244 people who do help |
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| 14:37.56 | maukd | ooh, actual words |
| 14:38.25 | babilen | lolpr0n: We can't help you as you don't answer my questions: So (last chance): Which image *exactly* did you download? How did you burn it? Which steps *exactly* do you perform in the installer that cause that error? |
| 14:38.29 | lolpr0n | i know i copy |
| 14:38.36 | daweefolk | I'm trying to compile a program and it tells me it cannot find javascriptcoregtk-1.0. I can't find a package of that name in the repos |
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| 14:39.47 | babilen | ,v libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0-dev |
| 14:39.48 | judd | Package: libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0-dev on i386 -- wheezy: 1.8.1-2; sid: 1.8.1-3.1 |
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| 14:40.02 | babilen | daweefolk: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 14:40.16 | daweefolk | I installed so long ago lol how do I find out |
| 14:40.17 | babilen | daweefolk: Oh, and which program are you compiling? |
| 14:40.23 | daweefolk | and suckless surf |
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| 14:40.36 | babilen | daweefolk: Just run "cat /etc/debian_version" |
| 14:40.45 | babilen | ,i surf |
| 14:40.47 | judd | No package named 'surf' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 14:41.00 | babilen | ,i surf --release sid |
| 14:41.01 | judd | Package surf (web, optional) in sid/i386: simple web browser. Version: 0.4.1-8; Size: 17.0k; Installed: 69k; Homepage: http://surf.suckless.org |
| 14:41.06 | daweefolk | 6.0.5 |
| 14:41.11 | babilen | daweefolk: That surf ^^^ ? |
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| 14:41.41 | daweefolk | I think so, I downloaded it and patched the makefile but I need to build it now :) |
| 14:41.48 | nsadmin | lolpr0n, 1244 people who ignore you out of boredom, frustration or resentment that you don't cooperate in YOUR OWN issue is not as much help as someone you do cooperate with (by supplying relevent information and also reading things you're asked to) |
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| 14:43.05 | babilen | daweefolk: That program will be *very hard* to compile on squeeze as it also needs a newer version of libwebkitgtk-dev -- Getting a new version of that library is almost impossible. |
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| 14:43.32 | somiaj | ,checkbackport surf |
| 14:43.34 | judd | Backporting package surf in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libwebkitgtk-dev. |
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| 14:43.41 | nsadmin | having said that, be our guest, tell us in detail what's going on with your machine and what you want instead, and particupate in the conversation |
| 14:44.04 | babilen | ,checkbackport libwebkitgtk-dev |
| 14:44.14 | judd | Backporting package libwebkitgtk-dev in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.24.3), gir1.2-gtk-2.0, libgtk-3-dev, gir1.2-gtk-3.0 (>= 3.0.0), libsoup2.4-dev (>= 2.37.4), gir1.2-soup-2.4, libgail-3-dev, gobject-introspection (>= 0.9.12-4), libgirepository1.0-dev (>= 0.9.12-4). |
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| 14:44.19 | babilen | somiaj, daweefolk: That is what I am referring to (I did that in a /query) ^^^^ |
| 14:44.29 | monsuco | Hey, does anyone know of any repositories that'll give me an up to date version of WINE? Ideally, these repos would just be for WINE since I want to stay on squeeze. |
| 14:44.31 | daweefolk | ok |
| 14:44.54 | daweefolk | thanks |
| 14:45.00 | barfoos | hi, i would like to disable the gdm greeter sound (debian stable). i'd be fine with just finding the file and temporarily renaming it and i remember that gdm uses ogg files not ending in .ogg but couldn't find those when doing "locate gdm". any hint? any other way to disable those sounds? thanks. |
| 14:45.13 | somiaj | monsuco: wine from winehq.org compiles just fine in squeeze, but I would suggest making a backport of wine or wine-unstable from wheezy or sid |
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| 14:45.59 | somiaj | monsuco: /msg dpkg ssbp (and follow the instructions to backport the 'wine' or 'wine-unstable' package. From there install the .deb's that are created. |
| 14:46.21 | milo_ | hello, how can i upgrade my version of debian if a next stable release is available? |
| 14:46.40 | matlads | monsuco: you may also want to consider http://www.winehq.org/download/debian |
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| 14:46.45 | somiaj | milo_: what version of debian are you on, and what version of deban do you want to upgrade to |
| 14:46.57 | milo_ | somiaj, 6 => 7 |
| 14:47.04 | milo_ | when 7 is stable |
| 14:47.09 | somiaj | matlads: those are binaries made for sid, and shouldn't be installed on squeeze |
| 14:47.17 | somiaj | milo_: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy |
| 14:47.38 | somiaj | milo_: will give you the basic idea, though it is still undergoing testing and will be fine tuned and most the bugs fixed by the time wheezy is stabalized. |
| 14:47.46 | babilen | milo_: Debian 7 (wheezy) hasn't been released yet. The upgrade process will be detailed in Wheezy's release notes, just like the upgrade process to Squeeze (current stable) has been detailed in its release notes. |
| 14:47.51 | babilen | !tell milo_ -about release notes |
| 14:47.53 | matlads | somiaj: indeed, I forgot about the squeeze requirement |
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| 14:48.48 | somiaj | matlads: and further since wine and wine-unstable are no back in debian's repos, those unoffical packages are not needed anymore. |
| 14:48.55 | somiaj | s/no/now/ |
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| 15:04.27 | damacus | , versions memcached |
| 15:04.28 | judd | Package: memcached on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.2-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.2.2-1+lenny1; squeeze: 1.4.5-1; sid: 1.4.13-0.1; wheezy: 1.4.13-0.1 |
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| 15:04.45 | damacus | , versions libmemcached |
| 15:04.46 | judd | No package named 'libmemcached' was found in i386. |
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| 15:05.13 | damacus | , versions libmemcached5 |
| 15:05.14 | judd | Package: libmemcached5 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.40-1 |
| 15:05.30 | damacus | , versions php5-memcached |
| 15:05.31 | judd | Package: php5-memcached on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1.0.2-1+squeeze2; wheezy: 2.0.1-6; sid: 2.1.0-2 |
| 15:05.33 | rent0n | babilen: thanks, I did know about cut already ab |
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| 15:05.52 | rent0n | babilen: and I would definitely use it |
| 15:06.03 | babilen | damacus: Please /msg or /query the bot! (/msg judd v php5-memcached) |
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| 15:07.55 | damacus | babilen: will do =) |
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| 15:16.33 | monsuco | I tried the wine debian page. I couldn't get it to install the modern wine builds. I don't understand how to do that with dpkg. |
| 15:16.53 | sney | !refcard |
| 15:16.53 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
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| 15:17.40 | sney | but the wine-unstable packages are not going to work on squeeze |
| 15:17.40 | monsuco | is there a modern wine version in the backports repository? |
| 15:17.44 | sney | ,v wine |
| 15:17.45 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-2; wheezy: 1.4.1-2 |
| 15:17.47 | sney | nope |
| 15:17.57 | sney | ,checkbackport wine |
| 15:17.59 | judd | Backporting package wine in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports, virtual. |
| 15:18.05 | sney | could DIY though. |
| 15:19.43 | monsuco | how do I check a backport? |
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| 15:21.06 | sney | !tell monsuco about ssb |
| 15:21.44 | monsuco | what about ssb? |
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| 15:24.26 | simonlnu | read what the bot told you in /msg |
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| 15:26.58 | themill | (I don't know how much multiarch guff you'd have to fiddle with in the wine packages when backporting them) |
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| 15:29.18 | specing | Hai again #debian folks |
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| 15:30.50 | simonlnu | ohai |
| 15:31.25 | specing | Well nvm I forgot what I wanted to ask |
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| 15:35.06 | monsuco | Erm, yeah, I'm still not quite following this. What would happen if I just added the sid repositories and updated wine + dependencies while not updating the rest? I'd probably remove the sid repositories afterwords. |
| 15:35.40 | jordanm | monsuco: likely end up with a broken system |
| 15:35.49 | babilen | monsuco: You would pull in a bunch of sid packages and thereby partially upgrading (in fact: breaking) your system to sid. |
| 15:36.01 | jordanm | that + dependencies part will get you, since sid software is compiled against sid libc |
| 15:36.46 | jordanm | monsuco: I often compile wine from source to my user's home directory. ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local |
| 15:37.34 | i0x71 | hey, anyone know of a good how to that describes how to build a live cd from an existing install ? |
| 15:37.37 | i0x71 | i already looked into the live-build tool, however i want to learn the inner workings of building a live cd |
| 15:37.57 | jordanm | !tell i0x71 about debian-live |
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| 15:41.19 | a_person | how do I make an ampersand for running a task in the background apply to a compound command like `sleep 5 && DO' ? |
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| 15:43.29 | nkuttler | a_person: $(cmd) & |
| 15:44.15 | a_person | nkuttler: thanks |
| 15:44.18 | nkuttler | er, wait |
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| 15:45.12 | nkuttler | a_person: (cmd) & |
| 15:45.35 | jordanm | a_person: { sleep 5 && DO } & |
| 15:45.52 | jordanm | nkuttler: that will execute it in a subshell, which may not be what he wants |
| 15:46.10 | a_person | (cmd) & # that's it |
| 15:46.11 | jordanm | a_person: { sleep 5 && DO; } & |
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| 15:46.33 | jordanm | a_person: commands inside of () are executed in a subshell, whereas { } is not |
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| 15:47.09 | themill | neither {} nor () are required |
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| 15:48.15 | a_person | themill: right |
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| 15:49.17 | jelly | sleep 5 && echo blah & in zsh sleeps 5 in fg, thenn echoes in bg |
| 15:50.58 | themill | bash puts the entire thing in bg |
| 15:51.05 | a_person | ^^ |
| 15:51.39 | a_person | dash also sleeps in fg... |
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| 15:52.18 | themill | & terminates the list and so should operate on the entire list |
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| 15:52.28 | a_person | my last statement is false, sorry |
| 15:54.08 | a_person | in scripts, when running several commands on one line, one doesn't need `;' when commands are being run in bg with `$', right? |
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| 16:01.30 | mroe | can someone point me to where the different debian arm archs is explained |
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| 16:15.30 | D4rKr0W | is there any way to create a clean disk image with dd? something like dd if=/dev/sdb of=disk.img would record "empty" space aswell, wouldn't it? |
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| 16:17.08 | somiaj | D4rKr0W: of course, because that would contain not only whole disk, it would contain the partition table and the file systems on each table |
| 16:17.16 | intore | hi, i installed virtualbox on my debian. i need to install debian again on the virtual machine using usb drive. i configured vbox to use usb support but i've the error: no bootable media found. System halted. could you help me please? |
| 16:17.50 | somiaj | D4rKr0W: do you need the image of the whole disk, or just the data inside (note there are some compression algorithims for such things where you can compress your img file afterwards if you want less size) |
| 16:18.02 | somiaj | D4rKr0W: you can also just use tar on the data in the file systems. |
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| 16:18.49 | D4rKr0W | somiaj: i am decommissioning a remote server and would like some kind of backup that is easy to handle in terms of mounting/restoring (possibly on a vm) |
| 16:18.51 | somiaj | intore: Its been a while since I have used vbox, but I belive you want to just have the .iso (usb image file) on your harddrive and you can tell vbox to boot from that image (As opposed to trying to do it from the usb drive) |
| 16:19.25 | somiaj | D4rKr0W: disk images may be over kill (espically if you want to restore the data on a system that has a different sized disk or partition scheme) |
| 16:19.43 | somiaj | D4rKr0W: I would suggest tar the data in the file system or use rsync and just copy the data to a remote machine for backup |
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| 16:22.30 | intore | somiaj, ah. i used unetbootin to prepare the usb disk. isn't good? |
| 16:22.42 | D4rKr0W | somiaj: is tar enough? i have never had to restore a system on different hardware, so i don't know what i would need to do and the debian manual only talks about dd |
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| 16:22.48 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 16:22.56 | Harzilein | shouldn't this work?: perl -mData::Dumper -mDebian::WNPP::Query -e '$wnpp = Debian::WNPP::Query->new();my @bugs = $wnpp->bugs_for_package('lockrun'); print Dumper @bugs' |
| 16:23.38 | babilen | intore: unetbootin is known to create unusable sticks |
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| 16:24.04 | somiaj | D4rKr0W: tar will put all the contents (including file permissions/ownership etc if the correct options are used) into a single file you can then extract later |
| 16:24.12 | Harzilein | nvm, found wnpp-check |
| 16:24.20 | intore | babilen, mmmm, sure? booting my laptop with the same sticks it runs |
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| 16:24.27 | themill | ,wnpp lockrun |
| 16:24.27 | maukd | with -MData::Dumper maybe |
| 16:24.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/461915 in wnpp (open): «RFP: lockrun -- cron job overrun protection utility»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2008-01-21; last modified: 2010-12-24. |
| 16:24.30 | somiaj | D4rKr0W: another option is to create a new filesystem inside a file image that is slighty bigger than the size you need, mount it as a loopback device, and then just rsync the data. |
| 16:24.33 | themill | Harzilein: ^^ or see judd ;) |
| 16:24.49 | maukd | Harzilein: with -MData::Dumper maybe. and you're missing -w |
| 16:25.01 | D4rKr0W | somiaj: that would actually be a nice idea! |
| 16:25.12 | somiaj | D4rKr0W: I have recentally ran across sparse files that are used for images in cases like you are using, but don't really know the details of how to deal with such things. |
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| 16:26.02 | themill | Harzilein: there's also lckdo in moreutils if you're looking for that specific functionality |
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| 16:32.19 | Harzilein | themill: actually i'm looking for a utility that uses mailbox-style lockfiles (just lockfile presence) |
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| 16:32.28 | themill | flock? |
| 16:32.40 | themill | oh |
| 16:33.30 | Harzilein | it should have "do" semantics (so not just be a utility to set up and take down lockfiles in a shellscript, but wrap the call by itself) and use mailbox lockfiles. did not find such a beast so far. |
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| 16:37.48 | themill | Harzilein: flock or lckdo (or at a pinch lockfile-* from lockfile-progs) are the canonical ways of doing these things in scripts. Why do you want only presence of lock file not proper locking? |
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| 16:38.20 | Harzilein | themill: i want it to be compatible with a program that uses mailbox locks (it's for a mailbox) |
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| 16:38.58 | themill | so it will have to be lockfile-* then, I guess |
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| 16:39.13 | Harzilein | i'll check lockfile-progs, thanks |
| 16:39.26 | themill | Harzilein: note that stuff in debian should be doing both |
| 16:40.19 | themill | (actually, s/should/must/ -- see §11.6 of policy) |
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| 16:41.18 | Harzilein | themill: it's third party, but thanks for pointing it out, if i package it some day, i'll look into adding support for flock |
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| 16:54.23 | drigolli8r | o/ |
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| 17:01.08 | jaxk | Hello, I need some advice. Is there a way to find out if your hardware is 100% compatible with Debian? I want to make a low end Debian box by buying cheap components, and want to make one that will run fine with Debian. Especially things like the network card (I need to use wireless) and integrated graphics, etc. |
| 17:01.24 | jaxk | Last time I tried Debian, much of my drivers and firmware were missing. |
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| 17:03.57 | mayhew | jaxk, intel integrated graphics generally work fine |
| 17:04.12 | mayhew | since there's open source drivers for them |
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| 17:05.05 | jaxk | Yes, I was thinking Intel is the better and cheaper option for me. I know AMD card support isn't very good. |
| 17:05.13 | mayhew | wireless isn't much of an issue if you're willing to use nonfree drivers |
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| 17:07.02 | jaxk | Okay. |
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| 17:14.03 | no_gravity | Good Evening from Germany! |
| 17:14.43 | no_gravity | Is there a way to overlay an image half transparent on the image of a webcam? Or in other words: I would like to mix a static image and the image coming from a camera. |
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| 17:17.55 | graham1_e | somebody please help. for the last few days my ovh vps cant be sftp'd or ssh'd to ...other services (like transmission daemon) carry on working though |
| 17:18.56 | no_gravity | graham1_e: whats an ovh? |
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| 17:19.30 | graham1_e | its just a vps provider |
| 17:19.34 | graham1_e | my vps runs debian squeeze |
| 17:19.53 | no_gravity | graham1_e: they dont have a repair console? |
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| 17:22.39 | jaxk | If I have no master socket in the location I want (needed for my router), is there a way to get an adapter or something so I can use Debian with LAN? I need to be able to use ethernet/LAN since Debian doesn't recognise my network card, and I'd also prefer to use LAN. |
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| 17:23.19 | no_gravity | jaxk: whts a master socket? |
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| 17:24.02 | jaxk | no_gravity: A socket where the gray cable gets plugged into both the socket, and your router. |
| 17:24.14 | jaxk | It's required to use the internet. |
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| 17:25.03 | lelu | this is going to sound really stupid but where is the exim configuration file? |
| 17:25.10 | lelu | is it /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template ? |
| 17:25.11 | jordanm | lelu: /etc/exim4/ |
| 17:25.13 | no_gravity | jaxk: i dont get it. |
| 17:25.30 | etisfo | Is it possible to prevent someone who has sudo from becoming root? (only allow sudo before commands, and prevent reading root-only dirs?) |
| 17:25.38 | lelu | jordanm: the fact that there isn't an exim4.conf there means I have to write one, right? |
| 17:25.39 | jordanm | lelu: it depends on if you chose a split configuration or single file. see: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 17:25.46 | lelu | jordanm: single file |
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| 17:25.58 | blubberdiblub | lelu, /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf if you mean the file that gets filled by debconf |
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| 17:26.29 | lelu | I just want somewhere to put disable_ipv6 = true |
| 17:26.34 | jaxk | no_gravity: This type of cable. > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21Owiee93rL._SL500_AA300_.jpg |
| 17:26.51 | no_gravity | jaxk: a cat 5 cable? |
| 17:27.04 | lelu | all documentation says the "exam configuration file" not what the actual filename is :/ |
| 17:27.08 | jordanm | lelu: see section 2.1.1.12 of /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:27.12 | jaxk | Is that what they're called? I guess so then. |
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| 17:27.55 | no_gravity | jaxk: so you say that you have a cat 5 cable and you want to plug one side into the computer and the other side into WHAT? |
| 17:27.58 | jordanm | it may not be cat5, the only thing apparent from the picture is that it has an RJ45 connector |
| 17:28.13 | blubberdiblub | lelu, you probably neet /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.localmacros for things that go beyond the standard debian packaged config |
| 17:28.36 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: |
| 17:29.02 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: "master socket" is not common terminlology for that, you might just call it an internet connection. |
| 17:29.15 | jaxk | no_gravity: No, one end goes in the router, the other in a certain type of socket. |
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| 17:29.38 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Does your router have more than one network port on it? |
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| 17:30.07 | blubberdiblub | lelu, you may have to use both update-exim4.conf.template and update-exim4.conf after putting something into that file |
| 17:30.10 | jordanm | wouldn't be a router if it didn't |
| 17:30.11 | jaxk | jhutchines_wk: I don't understand, you mean another port that the cat5 cable is plugged into? |
| 17:30.34 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: Sure, they call single port routers routers. |
| 17:30.43 | no_gravity | jaxk: why dont you put one end into the router and the other end into your computer? |
| 17:30.50 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: I mean multiple LAN ports in addition to the WAN port. |
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| 17:31.08 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: what's it going to route with only being physically connected to one network? |
| 17:32.17 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: protocol. |
| 17:32.24 | jaxk | no_gravity: What, that's possible?! |
| 17:32.29 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: Could also be called a modem, but sometimes looks more like a router. |
| 17:32.44 | jaxk | I thought I needed the internet socket to be able to get internet connection |
| 17:33.02 | jhutchins_wk | There is no "internet socket". |
| 17:33.06 | no_gravity | jaxk: why not? |
| 17:33.10 | jaxk | Phone line socket then |
| 17:33.19 | jaxk | Is it just for the phone line then? |
| 17:33.38 | no_gravity | jaxk: i have no idea what your router is connected to, so i dont know what kind of access you will get by connecting to it. |
| 17:33.51 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: You might need the "router" to establish the connection, but you can usually do it directly with linux, depending on the type of connection (socket). |
| 17:33.56 | jordanm | jaxk: those "sockets" are RJ45 ports. They follow the ethernet standard and are interchangeable. Your router may also function as an ADSL modem, in which case you would have a similar but smaller RJ11 port |
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| 17:34.41 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Which takes us back to my question about how many ports the 'router' has. |
| 17:35.35 | jaxk | I think I'm just confusing myself. Let me say this simply; if I plug that "gray cable/cat 5 cable" into my ethernet socket and into the router, would it work fine? |
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| 17:36.17 | jordanm | jaxk: probably |
| 17:36.24 | jaxk | LAN ports? |
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| 17:37.06 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. is there any problem with deb-multimedia or you are not associated with it? |
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| 17:37.29 | jordanm | !tell ToApolytoXaos about dmm |
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| 17:38.03 | jaxk | I will try it anyway; thanks very much for all the help, I highly appreciate it. |
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| 17:38.38 | ToApolytoXaos | jordanm, thank you for letting me know, but it seems there's a problem. even though the link to deb-multimedia works just fine, with aptitude i get this "W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.deb-multimedia.org/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages: 404 Not Found |
| 17:38.38 | ToApolytoXaos | " |
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| 17:39.46 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: common terminology referrs to the "internet" port or socket on the router as the WAN (Wide Area Network) port, while the ports intended for local devices are called LAN (Local Area Network) ports. |
| 17:39.48 | pierpier | ToApolytoXaos: the repo changed, there are pbs between the maintainer and debian team |
| 17:40.01 | ToApolytoXaos | pbs? |
| 17:40.10 | pierpier | problrms |
| 17:40.14 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Depending on your hardware you may have more than one LAN port on the router, which might mean you could connect more than one device. |
| 17:40.43 | ToApolytoXaos | yeah i know, i have changed the repo details a few months ago, but now it stopped working for some reason. |
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| 17:41.07 | jordanm | ToApolytoXaos: http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ # this mirror appears to be working |
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| 17:41.20 | jordanm | ToApolytoXaos: the only you linked to is missing many releases, use a different mirror |
| 17:41.35 | ToApolytoXaos | ok |
| 17:41.37 | ForSpareParts | Anyone live in here who could tell me how to force 1080i output in xrandr? Or xorg.conf? |
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| 17:41.56 | jhutchins_wk | ForSpareParts: What hardware? |
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| 17:42.16 | ForSpareParts | Intel integrated graphics |
| 17:42.27 | ForSpareParts | Probably HD 3000 or 4000, but I'm not sure which |
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| 17:42.42 | digitalirony | I was wondering if someone might be able to help me troubleshoot an issue with idmapd, for NFS. It isn't properly mapping UID's from NFSv4 server |
| 17:42.59 | ForSpareParts | (also, full disclosure, I'm an Ubuntu user -- came here because nobody in #ubuntu has any ideas, and I was hoping you guys might know...) |
| 17:43.06 | jelly-home | ForSpareParts: switch the output to 1920x1080 at 30 or 29.97Hz |
| 17:43.26 | jelly-home | ForSpareParts: care to pastebin the output of "xrandr"? |
| 17:44.02 | jelly-home | ForSpareParts: try ##linux or #xorg for generic linux or X help |
| 17:44.21 | jordanm | 1080i? |
| 17:44.30 | ForSpareParts | jelly-home: Will do. I'm actually not at the machine right now, I'm in class. Was hoping to buffer some troubleshooting ideas for when I get back. |
| 17:44.31 | etisfo | Is it possible to prevent someone who has sudo from becoming root? (only allow sudo before commands, and prevent reading root-only dirs?) |
| 17:44.35 | jelly-home | jordanm: yes |
| 17:44.42 | ForSpareParts | jordanm: Yup. Old-ass HDTV. |
| 17:44.49 | ForSpareParts | Also, thanks! |
| 17:45.02 | ForSpareParts | Er, jelly-home: Thanks! |
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| 17:45.28 | jelly-home | ForSpareParts: first verify xrandr can actually see what your tv supports and is able to switch to that vert.refresh |
| 17:46.26 | ForSpareParts | jelly-home: I know for a fact xrandr isn't getting all the resolutions my TV supports. |
| 17:46.44 | ForSpareParts | Not sure what to do about that, though. |
| 17:47.07 | jelly-home | ForSpareParts: that might be an issue, but let's cross that bridge when you come to it |
| 17:47.27 | mrc2 | hello, after a loss of power I cannot run anymore xorg, every time I launch it, it freezes |
| 17:48.04 | mrc2 | and in the logs I cannot see anything relevant |
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| 17:49.46 | mrc2 | I did an update before, I don't know if those packages have corrupted the system |
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| 17:50.40 | digitalirony | Can anyone help with this please? http://pastebin.com/svvBpH3c |
| 17:51.18 | ForSpareParts | jelly-home: Going to run, will probably be back later to ask questions, and I'll check out ##linux and #xorg. Again, thanks for your help/patience! |
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| 17:54.49 | jordanm | mrc2: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:55.14 | mrc2 | jordanm: the miracle, now it works, after several hard reboot |
| 17:55.29 | jaxk | jordanm: Isn't the gray cable called the DSL cable? |
| 17:55.29 | jordanm | mrc2: I recommend running a fsck on your filesystems, regardless |
| 17:55.44 | jordanm | jaxk: colors are completely irrelevant |
| 17:55.56 | jaxk | I plugged that in, but got no internet access. |
| 17:55.56 | jordanm | any cable can be any color, and there is no standard |
| 17:56.06 | mrc2 | jordanm: I will do, thanks |
| 17:56.49 | jaxk | j |
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| 17:57.51 | jaxk | jordanm: It's a cable labeled "DSL" which plugs into a D-Link adapater, which then goes into the "internet" socket I was talking about |
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| 18:00.12 | jordanm | jaxk: that needs to stay plugged into the internet port. you need a second cable to go from one of the additional ports on the router to your PC |
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| 18:00.52 | jaxk | jordanm: I have a LAN cable yes. |
| 18:01.06 | jaxk | my router has 4 lAN porns |
| 18:01.51 | shlafrock | hey guys, could someone tell me if those results are ok for web server http://pastebin.com/qMtq2Yru . I'm considering swap. Is it ok or not ok that it's being used ... |
| 18:02.04 | jaxk | jordanm: But, my first question was, could I use ethernet even though I didn't have an internet socket? Is there an internet socket adaptor? |
| 18:02.17 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Note that you've finally told us that you have a DSL connection, which means you have a DSL modem, which may or may not be a router. If it's a router, it may have multiple internal LAN ports. If it's just a modem, it probably only has one internal LAN port, which you can connect to a single computer or to a switch or router for multiple computers. |
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| 18:02.51 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: That thing you're calling a router is the "internet socket adapter". |
| 18:02.59 | jaxk | It is a router.... |
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| 18:03.27 | jordanm | shlafrock: looks fine. some swapping is not a problem, heavy swapping will bring the server to a crawl though |
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| 18:03.31 | jaxk | I didn't know that gray cable I was talking about was a DSL cable |
| 18:03.51 | shlafrock | jordanm: ok so how do i know when it's heavy swapping ? |
| 18:03.58 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: DSL is a signalling method, not a type of cable. |
| 18:04.10 | jordanm | !tell shlafrock about ubuntu |
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| 18:04.32 | jordanm | shlafrock: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:05.06 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: If it can plug into the network port on your computer it's probably a generic cat5 cable and is just being used for the DSL connection - which only requires two wires. |
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| 18:06.27 | jaxk | no, there's a "dsl" cable that plugs into the internet socket apadter and also plugs into my router |
| 18:06.41 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: So you've never answered the question about how many connections/ports/sockets your "router" has. |
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| 18:07.17 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: It's not about cables or sockets, it's about devices and connections and protocols. |
| 18:07.43 | jaxk | I would like to use ethernet without having that internet socket |
| 18:08.05 | jaxk | What ports? |
| 18:08.13 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Your computer, if it has a network port (RJ45) can talk to other computers, router, or switches. Other computers or routers or modems can connect it to the internet. |
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| 18:08.34 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: What do you want to connect to? |
| 18:08.42 | jaxk | I have 4 ports labelled "LAN" and one where the DSL cable plugs into |
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| 18:09.01 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Excellent, combination router/dsl modem. |
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| 18:09.24 | jaxk | I'm extrememly confused :( |
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| 18:09.37 | jaxk | Can I start again of what I want to do? |
| 18:09.45 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: You should be able to connect your ethernet port on your computer to one of the LAN ports with a standard CAT5 ethernet cable, which will allow you to connect to other computers on the LAN as well as to the internet. |
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| 18:10.32 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: The problem has been that you're not using standard terminology, and people are making assumptions that don't really match what you're trying to do. |
| 18:10.47 | graham1_e | whats wrong with my debian squeeze vps? for the last few days or so i have to reboot once or twice a day in order to be able to ssh/sftp into it. but at the same time other services will continue to run like transmission daemon/apache?! why would ssh go down specifically until a reboot? |
| 18:11.09 | format_c | d |
| 18:11.30 | somiaj | graham1_e: start doing some research (though it is kinda hard if you can't ssh to it) |
| 18:12.02 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: Could be DOS attacks. First place to look is the logs. |
| 18:12.06 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: Okay, yes I can connect to ethernet. What I would like to do though, is be able to change the location of the router, to somewhere like my room where I can use the ethernet cable. The only problem is, I have none of those "internet sockets" in my room where the apadter plugs into |
| 18:12.11 | jaxk | Is it possible? |
| 18:12.14 | somiaj | graham1_e: but find out if it is a port/firewall/routing issue or the sshd server is dying. Also is this vps a pure debian install or does your provider use unoffical packages and the likes? |
| 18:12.27 | Hydroxide | graham1_e: does your vps provider offer access to the console? many don't but some do |
| 18:12.35 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: If someone's trying to brute-force your ssh connection it can keep you from connecting. You can try running ssh on a different port, but make sure your ISP doesn't block that port. |
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| 18:12.39 | Hydroxide | graham1_e: usually via sshing to somewhere else, or via a web thing, etc |
| 18:12.40 | jaxk | Like is there such thing as a "internet socket" that I can plug into a mains socket, like an adapter |
| 18:13.01 | Hydroxide | I know linode does - I am not familiar which other providers do or don't. |
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| 18:13.40 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: That's pretty much what the router is. You can connect the ethernet port of a computer to one of the LAN ports. |
| 18:13.57 | Hydroxide | jaxk: do you specifically want to conduct the network over the power/mains line? |
| 18:14.09 | Hydroxide | jaxk: if I'm understanding right, you should investigate power over ethernet |
| 18:14.11 | jhutchins_wk | gives up. |
| 18:14.17 | jaxk | Yes Hydroxide, exactly that |
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| 18:14.28 | jaxk | No please don't |
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| 18:15.04 | Hydroxide | jaxk: look up power over ethernet. you'd have one device that connects your router/DSL modem to your mains, and in a different room you can use a different device to get ethernet from the mains |
| 18:15.15 | graham1_e | jhutchins: which logs should i check? can you give me exact commands to type please. im a total linux noob. |
| 18:15.21 | shlafrock | i'm having trouble installing nvidia on my ubuntu 12.04 x64 on dell vostro 3750 ( with Optimus i think ) .. any advice ? |
| 18:15.28 | Hydroxide | jaxk: I'm not an expert in it, and I know their are some caveats to be aware of, but within those, it works |
| 18:15.42 | graham1_e | somiaj: how do i go about finding out if its a port/firewall/routing issue or sshd server dying? im not sure if its pure debian squeeze or not |
| 18:16.05 | Hydroxide | jaxk: err |
| 18:16.09 | Sevet_ | !tell shlafrock about based on debian |
| 18:16.11 | Hydroxide | jaxk: sorry, I think I gave the wrong technology name |
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| 18:16.15 | graham1_e | what does the "console" look like? i have a control panel where i can reinstall OS, things like that.. |
| 18:16.18 | jaxk | I can use ethernet, it works fine. Just, when I plug the power supply of the router into the mains, and put in the LAN cable, I get no internet access |
| 18:16.23 | Hydroxide | jaxk: I meant powerline ethernet |
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| 18:16.34 | Sevet_ | shlafrock: try #ubuntu |
| 18:17.09 | Hydroxide | graham1_e: by "console" I mean the ability to log into the same kind of system console as you would have if you were physically in front of a linux machine |
| 18:17.21 | graham1_e | oh. yes ... i have ssh access normally |
| 18:17.39 | graham1_e | the last few days its been going down and only way /that i know of/ of fixing is to reboot the box from the control panel |
| 18:17.48 | somiaj | no, another method that is not ssh (some vps providers give you software that connects you to a serial console on the vps) |
| 18:17.54 | Hydroxide | graham1_e: I specifically mean without ssh. have you seen a physical linux computer in a non-graphical interface before, and logged into it? |
| 18:18.00 | Hydroxide | in person, I mean |
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| 18:18.13 | jaxk | Hydroxide: jhutchins_wk: I don't have one of these > http://static.freepik.com/free-photo/wires-socket-internet-cable-plug_3242402.jpg > in my room, which is required to get internet access |
| 18:18.22 | graham1_e | no i haven't hydroxide |
| 18:18.24 | jaxk | Is there a type of adapter? |
| 18:18.41 | graham1_e | so how do i go about checking if somebody is trying to bruteforce etc? id like to find the root of the problem and not just blindly reboot everytime sshd goes down |
| 18:18.46 | Hydroxide | jaxk: that's an ethernet jack, it looks like |
| 18:19.27 | somiaj | graham1_e: check /var/log/auth.log -- this log contains any authorization attempt and will tell you if sshd is getting a lot of failed logins (if you have say hundereds per hour that is brute force) |
| 18:19.44 | Hydroxide | jaxk: ok, what you need is the following |
| 18:20.12 | dutchfish | graham1_e, also `last -n 25` shows you the authenticated logins |
| 18:20.16 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Are you trying to connect to the router without a cable? Is that what you want? |
| 18:20.17 | jaxk | I mean one of these http://www.southampton.ac.uk/isolutions/computing/net/faceplate.jpg |
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| 18:20.51 | mroe | does anyone know if there is a debian package that provides eapol_test? |
| 18:20.56 | JessicaW | hi, having a problem getting sysvinit script to start at boot. tried sudo update-rc.d slurm defaults but it still doesn't boot. script works fine executed manually. |
| 18:20.57 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: No, without one of these sockets http://www.southampton.ac.uk/isolutions/computing/net/faceplate.jpg |
| 18:21.02 | Hydroxide | jaxk: (1) one phone-style cable, the same kind you'd use for a landline telephone, coming in from a phone jack managed by your DSL provider to the "DSL" port on your router/DSL modem |
| 18:21.11 | evilbulgarian | hi, anyone know why the wheezy debian installer kernel does not have the cisco fcoe module? |
| 18:21.12 | jaxk | I need to be able to connect to the internet without having one of them |
| 18:21.22 | somiaj | JessicaW: ls /etc/rc?.d/ -- do you see links to the script there? |
| 18:21.34 | JessicaW | somiaj: yes |
| 18:21.45 | somiaj | JessicaW: does your script accept start/stop/reload correctly? |
| 18:22.01 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Do you mean that your computer doesn't have that socket? |
| 18:22.09 | Hydroxide | jaxk: (2) plug in your router/DSL modem to the electrical mains. (3) and then the same kind of cable you showed me in http://static.freepik.com/free-photo/wires-socket-internet-cable-plug_3242402.jpg, but don't worry about a socket, just have it go straight between one of the "LAN" ports and your computer |
| 18:22.16 | Hydroxide | jaxk: with most modern computers that should work |
| 18:22.17 | JessicaW | somiaj: yes |
| 18:22.23 | jaxk | No it doesn't have one of those sockets, but mainly neither does my room |
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| 18:22.48 | somiaj | JessicaW: does your script require some other service to be running to fully start that is only running once you complete booting but isn't running at the time the script is ruN? |
| 18:22.58 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Ok, then yes, you can get an adapter and a cable long enough to get to the room that has a router. |
| 18:23.03 | JessicaW | somiaj: no. |
| 18:23.06 | jaxk | Okay |
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| 18:23.26 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: May you tell me what I need to search for (on Amazon or eBay)? |
| 18:23.29 | realf | hello guys |
| 18:23.35 | somiaj | JessicaW: you could add some logging/error reporting to the script. for example put 'date > /tmp/test.date.txt or something like that in your script to see if it is at least being run and just failing |
| 18:23.44 | jaxk | As you know, I have no idea about networking and it's terminology |
| 18:23.45 | somiaj | JessicaW: but from the info you are giving me it is mostly guessing what isn't working. |
| 18:24.02 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: You can also get a system where you plug an adapter into the power mains near the router, connect a cable between the adapter and the router, then plug another adapter in to the mains in your room and connect that to the computer. |
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| 18:24.45 | JessicaW | somiaj: ok, so I did it right.... :) I just need to figure out why it's not working as it should. |
| 18:24.46 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: What most people do is either run a long cable or get a router that does wireless (wifi). |
| 18:24.58 | somiaj | JessicaW: also do the links have a K or an S in front of them? |
| 18:25.26 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: If all you need is the connection on your computer, you can get a "usb ethernet adapter". |
| 18:25.33 | graham1_e | wtf |
| 18:25.36 | graham1_e | somebody is bruteforcing |
| 18:25.42 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: Ah ha! |
| 18:25.43 | graham1_e | how do i stop them? |
| 18:25.50 | somiaj | JessicaW: i.e. links /etc/rc2.d/K01ssh on my laptop baiscally says kill or don't start the ssh server. But unless you say provide the script, and the output of ls /etc/rc?.d/ to paste.debian.net not much we cna do to help debug |
| 18:25.55 | graham1_e | would changing default sshd port help? |
| 18:25.57 | graham1_e | how do i do that? |
| 18:26.03 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: usually. |
| 18:26.16 | jordanm | graham1_e: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:26.17 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 18:26.19 | jaxk | My router has WiFi, but I need to use ethernet. I just need an adapter for this: http://www.southampton.ac.uk/isolutions/computing/net/faceplate.jpg |
| 18:26.36 | jaxk | My room doesn't have one. |
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| 18:26.44 | somiaj | graham1_e: you can install a package like fail2ban or denyhosts and they will automatically block any ip that gets repeated authentication failures |
| 18:26.50 | jaxk | And I can't run an extra long ethernet cable, that's not an option for me. |
| 18:27.06 | somiaj | graham1_e: just be careful, denyhosts can be finiky and ban your computer which makes sshing in very difficult (as in not possible anymore) |
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| 18:28.29 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: So why not wifi? |
| 18:28.49 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: That probably has one of these behind it: http://bit.ly/R9mQ5E |
| 18:28.52 | dark-sun | any idea why my directories are created with 700 permission and how may I change this? |
| 18:29.06 | Hydroxide | jaxk: you know, that faceplate photo is either nothing standard in terms of ethernet, or else I see a flap that you might be able to move to reveal a normal ethernet jack |
| 18:29.13 | jaxk | Because, I don't want a network card. My motherboard also only supports LAN, I want to use LAN. |
| 18:29.16 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: As we said before, you can do ethernet-over-power, but there are lots of potential problems. |
| 18:29.35 | Hydroxide | jaxk: if there's a flap to move, then it will likely reveal a standard jack |
| 18:29.40 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: No, your motherboard supports wired ethernet. It doesn't care what kind of network it is. |
| 18:30.02 | jaxk | Yes I need wired internet though |
| 18:30.12 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: You could get a USB wifi adapter. |
| 18:30.27 | JessicaW | somiaj: here you go. http://paste.debian.net/188078/ |
| 18:30.28 | jaxk | But it wont support Debina. D: |
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| 18:30.33 | jaxk | *Debian |
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| 18:30.48 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: There are lots that do. Some don't, but many do. |
| 18:31.03 | jaxk | And how am I meant to find out which ones are supported? |
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| 18:31.25 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: I need one of these http://amzn.to/NMGlkx but instead, I need it to plug into the mains |
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| 18:32.31 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-usb-wireless-compatibility-adapter-list.html |
| 18:32.59 | jaxk | I'll have a look, thanks, but please see the link I gave you. |
| 18:33.16 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: What you need is two ethernet-over-power adapters, one near the router, one near the computer. |
| 18:33.29 | digitalirony | I am seeing this bug in debian: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=823848 |
| 18:33.50 | jaxk | I'll just use WiFi then |
| 18:33.59 | digitalirony | This is a new bug that was reported in redhat, I am seeing this on debian squeeze, it has been reported to me that it works with Sid though |
| 18:34.04 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Looks like this: http://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-over-POWER-Adapter-Pair/dp/B004C4XWN2 |
| 18:34.14 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: I recommend at least trying wifi. |
| 18:34.32 | digitalirony | I wanted to see if anyone could help to provide me with the bug issue ID, so that I can find a workaround in squeeze. the package provided in backports doesn't help |
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| 18:35.06 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: So on your bruteforce: is it always the same IP? |
| 18:35.44 | graham1_e | im using filezilla to connect to sftp. but now it wont connect obviosuly because it uses defualt port of 22. dont suppose you know where i can change it in settings. im guessing everybody uses debian here though |
| 18:35.54 | graham1_e | jhutchins: there were a few different ips trying to bruteforce me. nobody i know |
| 18:36.16 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: Yeah, usually it's a "botnet", a bunch of infected computers from different addresses. |
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| 18:37.17 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: I don't know where you'd change the port in filezilla, but I'm sure it's possible. You change the port in the sshd_config file and restart sshd. You have to be sure the port you change to isn't blocked by your ISP though, otherwise you just broke your system. |
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| 18:38.34 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: I know you guys don't have WalMart, but they have a bigger selection that explains things a bit better: http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=ethernet+over+powerline |
| 18:39.12 | jaxk | Ethernet over power is more expensive, but a better option for me |
| 18:39.17 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Seems like the common terminology is "powerline networking". |
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| 18:39.41 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Make sure you can return the gear as there are several reasons it might not work. |
| 18:39.48 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_wk: tesco is pretty prevalent if you're looking for a UK retail chain |
| 18:39.59 | jhutchins_wk | Hydroxide: Yep, been there. |
| 18:40.01 | Hydroxide | ok |
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| 18:40.19 | jaxk | I'll use use Amazon... |
| 18:40.33 | jaxk | Uh I'll just find a USB adapter that works with linux |
| 18:40.47 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Make sure the gear's meant to work with UK power. |
| 18:41.04 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Yeah, cheaper, easier, more reliable. |
| 18:41.19 | jaxk | yep |
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| 18:41.25 | graham1_e | is there a site i can report ddos/hacker ips? |
| 18:41.32 | graham1_e | and hopefully they inform the isps |
| 18:41.33 | jaxk | But not as fast, but shouldn't be an issue for me |
| 18:41.35 | jhutchins_wk | Hydroxide: I really miss Tesco's groceries. |
| 18:42.02 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: Not much point, there are millions of infected systems. |
| 18:42.36 | jhutchins_wk | graham1_e: If you do whois <address> it will tell you the abuse contact for that network, but it probably won't do any good. They just move on to a new IP. |
| 18:42.48 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: off topic but what did you use to trace my location, geoiptool.com/en? |
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| 18:43.19 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: /whois on irc, network whois with the resulting address. |
| 18:43.32 | Hydroxide | jhutchins_wk: never actually been to England or spent more than a week or two in the UK, just aware that they're common there |
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| 18:44.39 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Would have told me "DSL" if I'd started with that. Opal Telecom, Northbank Industrial Estate, Irlam, Manchester, M44 5BL |
| 18:46.01 | graham1_e | jhutchins: if i report them for abuse to their isp, do you think their isp will do anything about it? it might not make a big difference in the grand scheme of things |
| 18:46.30 | graham1_e | id love to setup a website where people can report ip addresses and relevant people are contacted automatically |
| 18:49.44 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: A PCI network card seems just the same price, and some reviews say it's Linux compatible |
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| 18:50.21 | jaxk | Might buy one of them instead, but still there's a difference between Debian and Ubuntu? |
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| 18:51.47 | kerio | hi all, sorry if this is not the correct channel, but it's the most appropriate i found |
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| 18:52.09 | kerio | what's the best way to get a list of the packages that depend on a particular version of another package? |
| 18:52.19 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Might be a little more work to get it working in Debian, but if it works in Linux at all you can get it to work with debian. |
| 18:52.31 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: pci wifi card? |
| 18:52.36 | jaxk | Yep |
| 18:52.44 | jaxk | Wifi |
| 18:53.36 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: It's no guarantee, but you can google the make & model of card with "linux" and see what comes up. |
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| 18:53.49 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B00004SYNX/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 |
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| 18:53.54 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Manufacturers have been known to switch chipsets without changing the model number though. |
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| 18:55.10 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Looks good, drivers since the 2.4 kernel, should be fine. Cheap! |
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| 18:55.31 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Oh, wait, that's wired ethernet, not wifi. |
| 18:56.09 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Clues are "TX" and "10/100" which are wired ethernet terms. |
| 18:56.35 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: Okay, another clue is it says "ethernet" in the title. xD sorry, let me find another one. |
| 18:56.53 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: "TX" stands for "Twisted Pair", which is what Cat5 cable is. (Before that we had thin coaxial, which followed thick coaxial.) |
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| 18:57.42 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: You want 802.11b, 802.11g, or if your router supports it 802.11N |
| 18:57.48 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: Does this look okay? > http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-WN781ND-150Mbps-Wireless-Express/dp/B0036AFAEW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top |
| 18:58.08 | jaxk | Only thing that puts me off is the mixed reviews. |
| 18:58.53 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: N networking (150M) is somewhat new technology, your router might not support it, and it's harder to get working with Linux. |
| 18:59.49 | jhutchins_wk | jaxk: Sez it works with linux. |
| 18:59.49 | jaxk | jhutchins_wk: PM? |
| 18:59.59 | jhutchins_wk | Sure, this really isn't Debian related. |
| 19:00.19 | jaxk | What I was thinking |
| 19:00.24 | jaxk | :P |
| 19:00.57 | SiDz | W: GPG error: http://download.webmin.com sarge Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG D97A3AE911F63C51 Jamie Cameron <jcameron@webmin.com> |
| 19:01.12 | SiDz | wget http://www.webmin.com/jcameron-key.asc ; apt-key add jcameron-key.asc ; rm -rf jcameron-key.asc |
| 19:01.13 | SiDz | wont fix it |
| 19:01.25 | SiDz | i have the same on 3 other vps |
| 19:01.29 | SiDz | and i dont have that error |
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| 19:04.09 | jhutchins_wk | !webmin |
| 19:04.10 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 19:04.31 | SiDz | lol |
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| 19:04.59 | jhutchins_wk | SiDz: If there's any way you can get out of running it, run away! |
| 19:05.19 | SiDz | it dont explain why 3 vps apt-get update fine |
| 19:05.20 | SiDz | and 1 didnt |
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| 19:05.27 | jhutchins_wk | SiDz: The problem with webmin is that you have to know more to fix your system when webmin breaks it than you do to administer it without webmin. |
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| 19:05.41 | SiDz | im not really using webmin:) |
| 19:05.43 | jhutchins_wk | SiDz: The gods are trying to protect you. |
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| 19:07.39 | jhutchins_wk | SiDz: It's possible it was signed with an old key, or that the download is corrupt. |
| 19:07.53 | jhutchins_wk | SiDz: Also possible that the package on the server is corrupt. |
| 19:08.09 | SiDz | but corrupt on only 1 of my 4 vps?! |
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| 19:09.33 | SiDz | can u let me know what is the keyid in that http://pastebin.com/4trLp4Vp |
| 19:09.41 | SiDz | apt-key del "keyid" |
| 19:10.03 | SiDz | fine i got it |
| 19:10.06 | SiDz | Jamie Cameron is the key id |
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| 19:11.33 | SiDz | well... very weird. 3 vps dont have that error. 1 have it |
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| 19:17.04 | gotmynick | What uses the speech synthesis of the debian installer? festival? |
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| 19:18.56 | jhutchins_wk | gotmynick: Do you mean what does the installer use? |
| 19:19.02 | gotmynick | yes |
| 19:19.20 | jhutchins_wk | gotmynick: I would guess festival if anything, there aren't many alternatives. |
| 19:19.21 | gotmynick | the spanish voice sounds better than the last time I tried festival |
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| 19:19.29 | gotmynick | ok thanks |
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| 19:21.00 | jhutchins_wk | gotmynick: Actually, there are a bunch of possibilities: http://linux-sound.org/speech.html |
| 19:21.53 | SiDz | so no one can help me understand why that key work on 3 of my vps but not on 1? |
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| 19:24.07 | themill | SiDz: BADSIG normally means that Release and Release.gpg don't match for some reason. If it's not widespread, a dodgy proxy is normally to blame. |
| 19:24.08 | gotmynick | the boot line mentions speakup, and it's in the repos, maybe I should try that |
| 19:24.17 | jhutchins_wk | SiDz: It's not a debian problem. We do debian. We try very hard to persuade people not to use webmin. |
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| 19:24.54 | themill | dpkg: tell SiDz about apt secure |
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| 19:25.12 | themill | SiDz: you can manually go through the steps that apt will use to see what is wrong |
| 19:25.24 | jhutchins_wk | gotmynick: Yes, I see some discussion of speakup for the installer. |
| 19:25.33 | jhutchins_wk | gotmynick: festival is rather large and complex. |
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| 19:26.27 | gotmynick | yes, I noticed any difference, the spanish voice sounds a bit better |
| 19:26.57 | wutix | What's a good debian book that I should RTFM? |
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| 19:27.31 | themill | dpkg: tell wutix about debian-handbook |
| 19:27.32 | gotmynick | there is one recently published (and packaged in >= wheeezy), the debian handbook |
| 19:27.46 | themill | wutix: that's probably the most up-to-date and useful starting point |
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| 19:28.11 | Sevet_ | if i have a deleted file but a process still has it open so i can read from it at /proc/fd/22, is there any way to recreate a hard link to the file? i could just copy it, but it's being modified by the program so it'd be better to hard link to it if possible |
| 19:28.54 | dlynes | I'm trying to create a package, but I keep getting dpkg-deb: parse error, in file 'debian/DEBIAN/control' near line 8 package 'libpvlib': `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `libglew1.9' |
| 19:29.15 | dlynes | The code is at: http://codepad.org/3jOxDk67 |
| 19:29.24 | dlynes | Anyone have an idea what it's choking on? |
| 19:30.16 | Sevet_ | dlynes: what's that whitespace before Description? |
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| 19:31.22 | wutix | thanks themill, is there a book on how to install it? |
| 19:31.23 | dlynes | Sevet_, I saw it elsewhere in an example and copied it? |
| 19:31.34 | themill | dpkg: tell wutix about ig |
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| 19:32.24 | dlynes | Sevet_, So, I'm guess it's not supposed to be there? Are line continuations of the description field supposed to start 1 space in? Or is that bad, as well? |
| 19:32.24 | zChris | apt-get install elinks wants me to insert "Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official Snapshot i386 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20120129-10:12" but i dont have that, why doesnt it take from the net? |
| 19:32.24 | wutix | well thanks |
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| 19:32.37 | themill | dlynes: Description is not a continuation of Depends |
| 19:32.51 | dlynes | themill, I realize that |
| 19:33.16 | jhutchins_wk | zChris: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list, and possibly any files in /etc/apt/sources.d/ |
| 19:33.17 | dlynes | themill, so the spaces at the beginning of the line make it think that it's a continuation of the previous line then...understood. Thank you. |
| 19:33.41 | jhutchins_wk | zChris: You probably want to comment out references to CDs/DVDs you don't have. |
| 19:34.11 | Sevet_ | dlynes: exactly :) |
| 19:34.22 | DeusEx | hello |
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| 19:34.27 | themill | dlynes: yeah, that's right. It's pseudo-rfc822 format -- the new maintainer's guide (/msg dpkg nmg) and policy (/msg dpkg policy) have more information. |
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| 19:34.50 | zChris | jhutchins_wk, thanks, that solved it |
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| 19:35.07 | dlynes | themill, Sevet_ ok, thanks. Much appreciated. Also, I surmise the only way to have my packages autoinstall as dependencies is by setting up a repository? |
| 19:35.08 | themill | dlynes: and for multi-line description, remember that the first line is the "short description" and subsequent lines are the "long description" that you indent by 1 space normally |
| 19:35.20 | jhutchins_wk | zChris: apt will prefer the physical media if no newer file is available because it's assumed to be faster. |
| 19:35.27 | themill | dlynes: yes. or dpkg -i foo.deb; apt-get -f install. (/msg dpkg own repo) |
| 19:35.58 | wutix | Guys, can I rebuild grub after installing windows xp? |
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| 19:36.24 | dlynes | themill, Ok, and one last question. For debian, is it pretty much the same as Slackware...if you want a prompt during an install, you should use the program, 'dialog'? |
| 19:37.22 | themill | dlynes: no. All user interaction is done using debconf. debconf-devel(7) and debconf(7) are good places to start. |
| 19:37.50 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: Yes, you can also reinstall it to the MBR if you have something to boot to rescue mode with (like a live/installer CD). |
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| 19:38.02 | dlynes | themill, ah, so I guess debconf uses dialog internally, then? |
| 19:38.12 | Sevet_ | !tell dlynes about debconf |
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| 19:38.53 | themill | dlynes: debconf can use a number of different frontends including a non-interactive one that allows you to feed in your answers prior to installation |
| 19:38.57 | wutix | thanks jhutchins_wk |
| 19:39.09 | dlynes | themill, ah...for use by preseeding |
| 19:39.17 | themill | yep |
| 19:39.23 | jhutchins_wk | !tell wutix about fixgrub |
| 19:39.23 | dlynes | cool |
| 19:39.34 | dlynes | That's ultimately where I want to go |
| 19:39.52 | dlynes | I had a preseeded install previously, but I want to extend that with my own packages as well |
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| 19:40.31 | dlynes | And now that I know how to create packages, there's a bunch of software I want to packagize and upload to debian and ubuntu |
| 19:40.43 | dlynes | i.e. software that's not currently in the repository |
| 19:40.46 | jordanm | !tell dlynes about nmg |
| 19:41.04 | themill | dlynes: do take the trouble to file ITP bugs so that work is not duplicated; /msg dpkg itp |
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| 19:42.21 | dlynes | themill, ok. I'm guessing that only applies to Debian and not Ubuntu, right? |
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| 19:42.59 | dlynes | jordanm, I've run across those in my travels already, but I'll bookmark it to make sure it sinks in |
| 19:43.24 | themill | dlynes: it's much more useful to package stuff for debian first |
| 19:44.07 | dlynes | themill, I agree...Ubuntu borrows a lot from Debian for their upcoming releases, so it helps out both distributions |
| 19:44.21 | themill | and the countless other derivatives |
| 19:44.27 | dlynes | that too |
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| 19:44.40 | dlynes | I use Debian at home, and Ubuntu at the office |
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| 19:45.26 | dlynes | I used to use Slackware, until I got tired of manually upgrading every machine, and creating packages for every single application |
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| 19:45.49 | dlynes | It wasn't terribly upgrade friendly, and it was a real bear to manage multiple installations |
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| 19:55.58 | jsm | so, i'm looking for a streamlined process for setting up an apt-repo that supports Secure APT, and multiple versions of package for a given suite-type-component-architecture quadruple. reprepro does not support this |
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| 19:56.24 | zChris | anyone here installed elinks with javascript support ? I have followed the instructions on elinks page but it doesnt work |
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| 19:59.59 | sviz | anyone have a best practices link they could send me for making a legit NTP server? |
| 20:00.54 | elb | any idea why my bash biffs on tab complete in squeeze? |
| 20:01.01 | elb | (it's only supposed to biff when it posts PS1) |
| 20:01.50 | jhutchins_wk | sviz: Most of that's at the ntp project. What do you mean by "legit"? |
| 20:02.11 | sviz | i guess the ntp project sounds legit… let me look |
| 20:02.13 | jordanm | elb: biffs? |
| 20:02.32 | jhutchins_wk | sviz: Do you mean one with a hardware reference clock? |
| 20:02.42 | elb | jordanm: new mail notification |
| 20:02.59 | elb | "You have new mail in /var/mail/elb" or whatever |
| 20:03.23 | jhutchins_wk | elb: It's doing that every time you do bash tab completion? |
| 20:03.53 | sviz | jhutchins_wk i have several Symmetricom's that I can use for ntp sources, but I cant point all my internal gear at them |
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| 20:04.18 | sviz | jhutchins_wk so I need to stand up an efficient stratum 1/2 box |
| 20:04.20 | jordanm | elb: looks like its not document behavior, consider a bug report, or just set MAILCHECK=0 |
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| 20:08.13 | roboman2444 | im making a script, and i want to know how to detect if the network is connected |
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| 20:08.45 | roboman2444 | i know ifconfig, but i dont really wanna have to parse that down just to know if its connected or not |
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| 20:10.42 | pipeep | roboman2444, there might be something you can do with NetworkManager, if you are using it |
| 20:11.00 | roboman2444 | i am using wicd |
| 20:11.34 | jhutchins_wk | sviz: All you really need is the debian packages then. |
| 20:11.52 | pipeep | roboman2444, doesn't wicd have a python API? |
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| 20:12.10 | roboman2444 | i think so |
| 20:12.19 | roboman2444 | i want this to be all bash, though |
| 20:12.34 | elb | jhutchins_wk: any time it would normally biff, yeah |
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| 20:12.56 | pipeep | roboman2444, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/moinmoin/Adding%20pre%20and%20post%20%28dis%29connection%20scripts |
| 20:13.26 | elb | jordanm: agreed, it's not only undocumented, it's incorrect -- and squeeze is the only place I see it |
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| 20:13.38 | roboman2444 | oh, thanks |
| 20:13.44 | pipeep | robinsmidsrod, if you want to poll instead, you could have those scripts touch and rm a file somewhere on the system |
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| 20:13.59 | roboman2444 | but i do like to have compatibility.. so cutting down ifconfig output might be easier |
| 20:14.00 | pipeep | Then it's just a matter of checking if the file exists |
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| 20:14.29 | pipeep | robinsmidsrod, sorry, I meant roboman2444. tab completion messed me up |
| 20:14.42 | wutix | Hi, so I installed debian, but I can't install grub cause it's not a bootable partition , also logical, what can I do? |
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| 20:15.09 | pipeep | roboman2444, there's also some stuff you could do to interface with the kernel in c, but that would be a lot more complicated |
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| 20:15.32 | roboman2444 | just a simple shell script to check if wifi or ethernet is connected |
| 20:16.13 | roboman2444 | err |
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| 20:16.26 | pipeep | roboman2444, and let me remind you, ifconfig is deprecated in favor of ip |
| 20:16.29 | roboman2444 | when you run the shell script, it will check if wifi is connected, and give an error if it isnt |
| 20:16.50 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: You want to install grub to the MBR of the primary disk if you can. |
| 20:17.11 | wutix | jhutchins_wk, how? |
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| 20:17.42 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: For instance you might install it to /dev/sda - not /dev/sda5 |
| 20:18.08 | wutix | jhutchins_wk, installer wouldn't let me |
| 20:18.18 | wutix | jhutchins_wk, only lilo allows me to install it to mbr |
| 20:18.31 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: GPT or something? |
| 20:18.40 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: lilo's great, I'd use it if it works. |
| 20:19.12 | wutix | Yes, but unlike grub it does not detect the kernels automaticaly :( |
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| 20:21.13 | wutix | is there a grub-install on live cd amd64? 6.0.4? |
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| 20:24.35 | pipeep | roboman2444, figured it out, check the return code of: ip addr show dev eth0 | grep -e "^\s*inet" |
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| 20:24.49 | wutix | jhutchins_k: Any idea? Could I boot into it with BCD? |
| 20:25.03 | wutix | jhutchins_k: can I use a grub usb? |
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| 20:25.16 | pipeep | roboman2444, gives 0 (true) if connected, 1 (false) if connected |
| 20:25.21 | wutix | can I use grub4dos? |
| 20:26.09 | pipeep | roboman2444, if you want to actually check for internet connectivity however, I believe you'll need to try to play around with ping instead |
| 20:26.12 | oliv | wutix Can't install grub in the MBR? What is the message error? |
| 20:26.21 | roboman2444 | yea, just netowrk connect |
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| 20:26.27 | jordanm | pipeep: \s doesn't do what you think it does there |
| 20:26.43 | wutix | How do I install it into MBR? Debian Installer won't let me and I don't know grub-install name |
| 20:26.43 | pipeep | jordanm, yes it does, I'm in extended regex mode |
| 20:26.51 | wutix | oliv |
| 20:26.59 | pipeep | oh wait, no I'm not |
| 20:27.00 | roboman2444 | how do i use an if statement in bash again ;P? |
| 20:27.05 | jordanm | pipeep: your not, and it doesn't matter, \s is a PCRE extension, not ERE (egrep) |
| 20:27.11 | roboman2444 | for cchecking if command returns 1 or 0 |
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| 20:27.13 | pipeep | should be capital -E. Thanks |
| 20:27.27 | pipeep | jordanm, arrrrggg! |
| 20:27.28 | jordanm | pipeep: you would need the non-standard -P for that to function like you would expect |
| 20:27.35 | jordanm | or you can just use [[:space:]]* |
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| 20:28.00 | wutix | oliv: what's the name of grub-install in debian live 6.0.4? |
| 20:28.01 | pipeep | jordanm, that's ugly! |
| 20:28.09 | maukd | $'^[ \t]*' |
| 20:28.30 | pipeep | maukd, I suppose that works too |
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| 20:29.14 | wutix | What arguments do I use to install it on /dev/sda ? |
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| 20:29.59 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 20:30.20 | wutix | jhutchins_wk: do I need an actual /boot ? |
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| 20:30.31 | wutix | jhutchins_wk: I only have / and swap |
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| 20:30.44 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: grub doesn't automatically detect kernels either, the kernel deb updates it, or the update-grub script. |
| 20:30.57 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: /boot will be on / |
| 20:31.36 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: deb packages should update lilo automatically, if not there's an error or a bug. |
| 20:31.45 | wutix | jhutchins_wk: Ex-ubuntu user here. GRUB detected all my partitions that had something bootable. |
| 20:32.02 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: That's the update-grub script that does that. |
| 20:32.17 | wutix | thanks. |
| 20:32.29 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: There may be something similar for lilo, it's been quite a while since I used it. |
| 20:32.54 | wutix | do I have to run update-grub or it will run automatically? |
| 20:33.09 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: grub _can_ work with GPT partitions, but usually you use some utility to create synchronised GPT/MBR tables and you need somethnig like gfdisk to maintain it. |
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| 20:33.49 | jhutchins_wk | wutix: Usually the installer runs it, but we've seen a lot of cases where it didn't so it defaulted to just the new install until you ran it manually. |
| 20:34.08 | wutix | meh :( |
| 20:34.12 | wutix | It's gonna be a pain. |
| 20:34.25 | wutix | Thanks jhutchins_wk, oliv |
| 20:34.31 | wutix | Have a nice time~ |
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| 20:41.37 | Anticom | hi all |
| 20:41.49 | Anticom | quick question: does the console understand tabulators? |
| 20:41.59 | Anticom | in terms of aligning stuff then |
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| 20:44.30 | aidalgol | Anticom: You mean the tab character? Yes, it does just like an xterm. |
| 20:44.49 | Anticom | aidalgol yea (\t) |
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| 20:46.50 | shake | Hi i have a problem with my vserver the logs are takeing the whole disk space in minutes |
| 20:47.18 | jhutchins_wk | shake: Which logs? What's reporting problems? |
| 20:47.39 | shake | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:47.51 | shake | it has now 4,8 gb |
| 20:48.01 | shake | i have a disk with 5 gb |
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| 20:49.29 | shake | this file has 4,8 gb /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 20:49.44 | shake | how can i denied error logging |
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| 20:50.49 | jordanm | shake: stop running code that spews errors |
| 20:51.06 | superstraw | shake: make the file non-writeable? |
| 20:51.15 | shgz | vgbbbbbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuu888888888888888vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv86666xxxxxxxxuuuuucccccci/~~.3334.5666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 |
| 20:51.17 | shake | ill have a look on the error file. |
| 20:51.19 | superstraw | or yeah, what jordanm said. |
| 20:51.19 | shgz | ]~~~~~~~~~55555#Afficher l'image en taille réelle |
| 20:51.26 | shgz | sorry.. my cat |
| 20:51.35 | shake | ok |
| 20:51.38 | maukd | that's why they call it "chat" |
| 20:51.49 | superstraw | shgz: looks like when I have my kid on my lap and he smashes the keyboard |
| 20:51.51 | shake | but how can i make it non writeable |
| 20:51.56 | shake | it has chmod 644 |
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| 20:52.26 | superstraw | shake: that's not a good solution. |
| 20:52.44 | superstraw | but |
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| 20:52.54 | superstraw | chmod -w file |
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| 20:53.15 | shake | ok |
| 20:53.30 | superstraw | but really, the proper way would be to diagnose the errors and fix it. |
| 20:53.37 | superstraw | but on your home computer, meh, ya know? |
| 20:53.55 | shake | nope |
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| 20:54.38 | shake | i can access the error.log with nano |
| 20:54.45 | shake | memory allculated |
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| 20:55.04 | shake | the file is too big |
| 20:55.22 | superstraw | why not just delete it? |
| 20:55.28 | superstraw | it gets re-created |
| 20:55.31 | superstraw | but will fill up again |
| 20:55.34 | shake | beaucse it comes back |
| 20:55.50 | shake | yes # |
| 20:56.03 | shake | but it will take the whole diskspace |
| 20:56.28 | shake | i have deletd it half hour ago |
| 20:56.41 | superstraw | didn't want to chmod -w it? |
| 20:57.19 | shake | i deleted teh error log now |
| 20:57.43 | shake | i cant do chmod -w |
| 20:57.52 | superstraw | yeah it doesn't exist anymore. |
| 20:58.09 | superstraw | or you need to do it as root |
| 20:58.12 | shake | should i create a new one |
| 20:58.14 | shake | empty |
| 20:59.25 | superstraw | shake: naw let apache do it. why couldn't you chmod it before? |
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| 20:59.39 | superstraw | i just tested on mine, worked. |
| 20:59.45 | superstraw | had to do it as root |
| 20:59.46 | shake | i did |
| 20:59.56 | superstraw | default is chmod 640 on mine. |
| 21:00.03 | shake | i hope it was sucessfull |
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| 21:00.37 | superstraw | shake: if it's deleted, when apache creates is again it may fill up again. once it is recreated, you could "cat /dev/null > error.log" then chmod -w it. |
| 21:01.00 | superstraw | or just don't let it fill up so much, and troubleshoot the error :P you learn more that way |
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| 21:01.26 | shake | how can i set the size of error log |
| 21:01.27 | shake | ? |
| 21:02.02 | maukd | cat /dev/null? amateurs :-) |
| 21:02.17 | maukd | :> error.log |
| 21:02.24 | superstraw | eh? lemme see here. |
| 21:02.30 | jordanm | shake: you seem to be doing a lot to avoid fixing the real problem |
| 21:02.32 | _d4vid | http://paste.pro/5157369 how to resolve that problem? system Debian squeezy |
| 21:02.36 | jordanm | maukd: the ":" isn't needed |
| 21:02.43 | superstraw | neat |
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| 21:03.01 | maukd | jordanm: depends on your shell |
| 21:03.05 | shake | im not avaoind the real problem |
| 21:03.10 | jordanm | _d4vid: show the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 21:03.15 | shake | its now full again |
| 21:03.22 | superstraw | dang jordanm comes out with the booyah |
| 21:03.35 | jordanm | shake: the real problem is that the errors are being generated, not that apache is logging them |
| 21:03.55 | maukd | wait, why is apache still running? |
| 21:03.59 | shake | hmmm |
| 21:04.16 | jordanm | maukd: works in bash and dash |
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| 21:05.16 | shake | appache is running beaucse i needing for my php skripts |
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| 21:05.44 | shake | *im needing it for my php skripts |
| 21:05.44 | jordanm | shake: show a sample of what's being logged |
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| 21:06.24 | shake | by downloading teh file and open it with an editor? |
| 21:06.28 | superstraw | pastebin i hope |
| 21:06.33 | maukd | no, run tail on it |
| 21:06.37 | superstraw | tail |
| 21:06.39 | superstraw | dang beat me |
| 21:06.42 | shake | tail? |
| 21:06.46 | maukd | tail error.log |
| 21:06.49 | shake | ok |
| 21:07.02 | superstraw | just dont flood the channel with yer paste :D |
| 21:07.04 | maukd | you don't want to open a gigabyte file with a normal text editor |
| 21:07.25 | shake | ok. ill put it on the pastebin |
| 21:07.36 | shake | what possible is |
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| 21:14.08 | shake | openVZ Panel is showing 100%, 4.9 GB of 4.9 GB / 0 Bytes free but i cant find the error log. im checking the size of the files with a ftp programm |
| 21:14.53 | jordanm | try using `du` instead |
| 21:14.56 | wutix | So I booted into debian, and it had no networking. I installed realtek firmware for my wifi card, now what? linux 2.6.32 |
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| 21:15.38 | jordanm | wutix: use network-manager to disable wireless, enable it again and then connect |
| 21:15.49 | jordanm | or w/e network management you prefer |
| 21:16.03 | __zero | hello, I really don't know how to explain this but I keep getting "no such file or directory errors" on a folder where I can ls and clearly see the files.. |
| 21:16.08 | maukd | shake: try restarting apache. if that helps, I know what happened |
| 21:16.13 | wutix | will try thanks jordanm |
| 21:16.28 | wutix | jordanm: but I restarted debian :\ |
| 21:16.34 | maukd | __zero: what command did you use? what's the exact output? |
| 21:16.35 | wutix | still no go... |
| 21:16.51 | jordanm | maukd: you mean that he deleted the log rather than truncate it, leaving the file descripter open? |
| 21:17.08 | __zero | maukd: I used cat |
| 21:17.14 | maukd | jordanm: yes |
| 21:17.18 | shake | reallyok |
| 21:17.26 | maukd | __zero: ... |
| 21:17.37 | maukd | __zero: no, what exactly did you enter? |
| 21:17.44 | jordanm | wutix: dmesg | grep -i .fw |
| 21:17.53 | jordanm | wutix: dmesg | grep -i '\.fw' |
| 21:18.06 | __zero | cat /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ufw/__init__.py |
| 21:18.23 | wutix | thanks |
| 21:18.36 | __zero | maukd: I just realized these files are symlinks.. |
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| 21:18.55 | jordanm | __zero: that should be fine, as long as they are not broken symlinks |
| 21:19.02 | maukd | they are broken |
| 21:19.30 | jordanm | wutix: does that give any output? |
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| 21:20.44 | __zero | maukd: hmm they arent, the files where they point to exist |
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| 21:21.21 | maukd | __zero: again, what's the exact output? |
| 21:21.35 | shake | i know now which skript it is |
| 21:21.46 | jordanm | shake: "script" |
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| 21:23.00 | jordanm | __zero: pastebin: ls -la /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ufw/; stat /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/ufw/{,__init__.py} |
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| 21:25.15 | blink | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.15 | __zero | maukd: http://pastebin.com/tnqY6zpH |
| 21:25.17 | blink | haha |
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| 21:25.20 | shake | here this is what in the rror log is :http://pastebin.com/UmqCSVj7 |
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| 21:25.28 | shake | but i know which script it is |
| 21:25.42 | shake | its a script for a mp3 upload |
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| 21:25.52 | shake | and its niot finding the folder |
| 21:26.08 | maukd | ads :-( |
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| 21:26.55 | __zero | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/8nwC8CYz |
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| 21:28.18 | jordanm | shake: looks like an easy enough fix |
| 21:28.22 | joar | Hey guys, how do I get ryd of the locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 21:28.26 | joar | warnings? |
| 21:28.32 | shake | yes |
| 21:29.39 | shake | i have set for the folder a chmod 777 to be access by the uploading skript. but it cant find that folder |
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| 21:29.55 | jordanm | 777 is _never_ the answer |
| 21:30.10 | maukd | jordanm: ♥ |
| 21:30.27 | shake | i know |
| 21:30.43 | shake | but thos programmer has made thsi skript in this ways |
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| 21:30.51 | shake | i know what you mean |
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| 21:30.58 | stdout | Are you guys 100% FOSS? |
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| 21:31.00 | shake | this are wholes |
| 21:31.08 | shake | for hackers |
| 21:31.57 | stdout | I need a stable server distro.. and I think the answer is debian |
| 21:32.03 | stdout | its 15 webservers |
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| 21:34.34 | shake | ill try to install the whole server new |
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| 21:35.15 | mattia | buonasera |
| 21:35.42 | mattia | llist |
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| 21:36.18 | shake | beaucse i have also visualisation problems with the server |
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| 21:37.15 | shake | its justshowing the half of the frontend |
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| 21:37.16 | jordanm | shake: that's not going to make the code not broken |
| 21:37.40 | shake | this is now another problem |
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| 21:37.53 | shake | its not releted to the errors i get |
| 21:38.07 | shake | i tried to install libc |
| 21:38.15 | stdout | Anyone used heruf? |
| 21:38.32 | jordanm | libc is a core part of the OS and is installed by default |
| 21:39.04 | stdout | yea libc is def needed for an OS written in c lol |
| 21:39.40 | maukd | not for the kernel |
| 21:39.42 | shake | yes i noticed this too |
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| 21:40.13 | shake | this what i get in the frontend |
| 21:40.14 | shake | http://awesomescreenshot.com/0b4f6pc00 |
| 21:40.45 | jordanm | shake: looks like standard shoutcast to me |
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| 21:40.49 | jhutchins_wk | shake: What makes you think this script should work properly on Debian? |
| 21:40.52 | shake | but it should look like this : http://awesomescreenshot.com/0d5f6pfa6 |
| 21:40.58 | shake | there is no kick button |
| 21:41.07 | shake | and you cant see the connected listners |
| 21:42.05 | shake | can this be a problem from the apache server ? |
| 21:42.13 | jordanm | shake: consider icecast, which is already packaged and integrated with debian |
| 21:42.21 | shake | becuaee on another vps its working fine |
| 21:43.33 | shake | i cant use icecast , because the scripts to manage the server need shoutcast |
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| 21:43.54 | shake | *have |
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| 21:52.03 | shake | when i delete the apache2. Are the folder going to be deleted too? |
| 21:52.15 | superstraw | shake: the log output on pastebin looks like php errors, but i'm no php pro |
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| 21:52.26 | superstraw | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/UmqCSVj7 |
| 21:52.38 | superstraw | thewanderer1: are those php issues? |
| 21:52.51 | shake | im trying now a new installation |
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| 21:53.35 | shake | the hoster has debian 6 86 and debian 6 64 but they all come with apache |
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| 21:55.44 | jordanm | superstraw: what it means is that the coder did $fh = opendir('somedir'); readdir($fh) |
| 21:56.10 | superstraw | oh and he doesn't have that directory? |
| 21:56.18 | jordanm | superstraw: in this case, opendir failed and returned FALSE, instead of a filehandle. The code didn't bother to check this and went on to readdir, which also failed |
| 21:56.18 | superstraw | or the right access to it |
| 21:56.28 | superstraw | ah |
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| 22:03.33 | sney- | I'm trying to set up a hp laserjet 3015 to scan on squeeze. It's listed as supported by hplip and the hpaio sane backends, and my user account is in the lp and lpadmin groups, but sane-find-scanner does not detect it. The device shows in lsusb and printing works fine, so I know it's not the connection. |
| 22:04.13 | shake | i have now installed apache when im browsing theip there is nnow only Index of / and not It works! |
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| 22:05.34 | sney- | shake: the It Works! message is only a minimal html file that is installed to your web root by default, if you can browse the index then that means the same thing |
| 22:06.06 | shake | ok |
| 22:06.08 | shake | cool |
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| 22:09.37 | mithrop | hello all :) |
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| 22:12.19 | mithrop | I don't understand something in my Squeeze installation : I have no ~/.bashrc, and I'm trying to enable color shell. And the /etc/bash.bashrc file do NOT include the part about color shell |
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| 22:15.53 | BenNZ | mithrop: then create a ~/.bashrc and add the part about color shell |
| 22:16.20 | jordanm | mithrop: you mean you want the prompt to be colored? |
| 22:16.39 | mithrop | BenNZ, ok. there is no tool to create a valid file (just to be sure to not make a mistake with a bad copy/paste, etc...) |
| 22:16.45 | mithrop | jordanm, yes :) |
| 22:16.55 | nevyn | vrms get's pretty sad at me. |
| 22:17.03 | nevyn | buger. |
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| 22:17.08 | BenNZ | mithrop: any text editor should do |
| 22:17.54 | mithrop | BenNZ, ok. Thank you very much :) |
| 22:18.08 | starZ | hi there, running wheezy and I can't find how to access my phone usb storage.. here is the lsusb 'ID 18d1:4e21 Google Inc. Nexus S'.. any workaround? |
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| 22:18.44 | BenNZ | mithrop: just make sure that /etc/bash.bashrc will look for ~/.bashrc and if you want it without logging out , run source .bashrc from your home folder |
| 22:19.05 | nevyn | starZ: what sort of phone? |
| 22:19.10 | jordanm | BenNZ: bash.bashrc doesn't need to source ~/.bashrc, the shell does that automagically |
| 22:19.26 | sney- | oh weird, sane still doesn't detect my scanner but scanimage worked anyway. huh! |
| 22:19.29 | starZ | nevyn: Google Inc. Nexus S |
| 22:19.56 | nevyn | starZ: you need to hit the "usb storage" button on the phone. |
| 22:20.23 | mithrop | and where can I found the part about the color that fit my case ? :/ I found this one, but it set the /etc/bash.bashrc and I don't want to set the colors for every users... http://jbsteiner.com/article/enabling-colorful-bash-debian-squeeze |
| 22:20.37 | nevyn | starZ: in notifications it's "Usb Connected touch to copy files to/from your computer" for me on 4.11 |
| 22:20.44 | nevyn | 4.1.1 even |
| 22:21.14 | starZ | nevyn: true.. but in thunar it says 'Not Autorized'.. |
| 22:21.18 | BenNZ | jordanm: sounds about right |
| 22:21.19 | evilbulgarian | is there an way with dpkg to verify md5sum of an packag's filelists that are installed on the system? |
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| 22:21.28 | jordanm | mithrop: export PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$ \[\033[00m\]' |
| 22:21.50 | mithrop | jordanm, thank you very much :) |
| 22:21.51 | jordanm | evilbulgarian: the debsums command will do that |
| 22:22.08 | evilbulgarian | jordanm: thanks! |
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| 22:22.17 | starZ | nevyn: i can see it, but I can not browse the storage.. ?? is there any settings to add somewhere or any pkg to install ?? |
| 22:22.57 | nevyn | starZ: are you in the group plugdev ? |
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| 22:23.36 | starZ | nevyn: no? what is this?? :-{P |
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| 22:24.10 | nevyn | are you in the group floppy |
| 22:25.12 | mithrop | jordanm, it works if I make a source ~/.bashrc, but not if disconnect/reconnect me (I'm connecting by SSH) |
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| 22:26.54 | jordanm | mithrop: cp /etc/skel/.profile ~/ |
| 22:27.10 | jordanm | mithrop: guess you didn't get any of the dotfiles from /etc/skel when you created your user |
| 22:27.50 | rgenito | how can you tar up your home directory without every file having "home-directory-name-here/" pre-pended to each file? |
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| 22:28.20 | mithrop | jordanm, seems to be the problem. I will copy every dotfiles to be sure :) |
| 22:28.22 | starZ | nevyn: i'm in plugdev now but it does not change anything.. ? |
| 22:28.27 | sney- | rgenito: run tar from within the directory |
| 22:28.35 | jordanm | rgenito: shopt -s dotglob; tar cvzf home.tar.gz ~/* |
| 22:28.46 | sporkbox | Does Debian use systemd by default? If so, is udev available as a separate package? I'm looking for distros that don't use systemd. |
| 22:28.48 | sney- | rgenito: there are also tar options to do different path operations |
| 22:29.05 | sney- | sporkbox: debian is currently using insserv. systemd is planned |
| 22:29.07 | jordanm | sporkbox: no. yes. |
| 22:29.20 | jordanm | sney-: s/planned/being debated/ |
| 22:29.30 | sporkbox | Ah. |
| 22:29.35 | sney- | jordanm: yeah, nothing is set in stone indeed |
| 22:29.41 | sney- | planned like the CD1 desktop. |
| 22:30.04 | jordanm | I think that's now confirmed and will have xfce |
| 22:30.13 | sporkbox | Should it be adopted as the default, would it be forced on users by adding a ton of systemd requirements, merging systemd and udev packages, and so on? |
| 22:30.22 | sporkbox | (Arch has done this and thus I'm distro-hopping again) |
| 22:30.40 | jordanm | sporkbox: hopefully, it will be done. see one of the 100 reply long email threads on debian-devel |
| 22:31.15 | jordanm | sporkbox: sysvinit is ancient (with ancient cruft) and has many limitations |
| 22:31.23 | sney- | sporkbox: when debian does big changes like that, it's inflicted on the people running testing and unstable for quite a long time before it hits an actual release. This helps to make the transition saner for normal users |
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| 22:32.00 | nevyn | starZ: sorry my bad floppy |
| 22:32.03 | jordanm | and when it does, shipping a systemd unit will likely be policy for services |
| 22:32.10 | sporkbox | sney-: Understood. I don't have a problem with systemd being default so long as it can be gotten rid of if a user chooses to. |
| 22:32.25 | nevyn | starZ: so if you look in dmesg you should see something like this: |
| 22:32.34 | jordanm | sporkbox: how does changing init system benefit the user? |
| 22:32.38 | nevyn | [1216411.592873] sd 55:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 22:32.41 | rgenito | sney-: how does running tar within the directory help? |
| 22:32.52 | rgenito | ...wont tar also try to archive the new tar file itself? |
| 22:32.58 | sney- | it knows better |
| 22:33.01 | jordanm | the init system should be transparent the user, and supporting switching gives everyone a degraded experience |
| 22:33.03 | nevyn | starZ: that's from my phone if I do ls -l /dev/sdb I can see it's owned by the floppy group |
| 22:33.08 | rgenito | i also want to tar up the hidden files too :D |
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| 22:33.17 | nevyn | jordanm: just switch to systemd already :) |
| 22:33.18 | sney- | rgenito: you can also do tar cf ../foo.tar |
| 22:33.37 | rgenito | ahhhh that's right... thanks :) |
| 22:33.44 | starZ | nevyn: you mean i need to be in the floppy group?? |
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| 22:33.49 | sporkbox | jordanm: So you don't expect devs to ensure alternative init systems can be used? |
| 22:33.51 | rgenito | so... tar -cf ../foo.tar ./ |
| 22:33.58 | rgenito | sney-: you rock :D thanks man |
| 22:34.04 | maukd | my first attempts would be tar cf ../foo.tar . and tar cf ../foo.tar * .[^.]* |
| 22:34.07 | nevyn | starZ: yes I guessed wrong ;) |
| 22:34.20 | maukd | the latter fails in case you have files starting with ".." |
| 22:34.49 | jordanm | sporkbox: that's being debated... but I hope not |
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| 22:35.16 | sporkbox | jordanm: You hope they don't allow for multiple init systems? |
| 22:35.30 | jordanm | sporkbox: they do already, and its a problem |
| 22:35.36 | starZ | nevyn: lol, well I'm aleready in floppy :)) |
| 22:35.43 | sporkbox | Alright, thanks for clarifying. |
| 22:35.51 | jordanm | sporkbox: you can install systemd, upstart, insserv, sysvinit on debian testing right now |
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| 22:36.16 | jordanm | !popcon upstart |
| 22:36.27 | jordanm | ,popcon upstart |
| 22:36.28 | judd | Popcon data for upstart: inst: 177, vote: 145, old: 29, recent: 2, nofiles: 1 |
| 22:36.55 | jordanm | sporkbox: many dev hours went into work so those 177 popcon users could run upstart :P |
| 22:37.00 | starZ | nevyn: here is the ls -l /dev/sdb output ''starZ floppy 8, 16 Sep 6 00:29 /dev/sdb'' |
| 22:37.16 | sporkbox | jordanm: It required a lot of work? |
| 22:38.16 | nevyn | starZ: it might not be /dev/sdb on your machine you need to check dmesg |
| 22:38.22 | nevyn | for where it bound the device too. |
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| 22:38.30 | sney- | sporkbox: every package that has a daemon or needs to interact with a daemon needs its own init script or at the very least testing to make sure its existing scripts work with the init system du jour |
| 22:38.37 | jordanm | sporkbox: yes, not just from upstart maintainers, but from all the people who may have also wrote upstart config files for their own packages |
| 22:38.58 | sney- | oh well there he goes |
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| 22:39.56 | starZ | nevyn: it is bound to /dev/sdb , if i cat /dev/sdb it gives android bla bla within the weired staff.. |
| 22:40.24 | nevyn | is that mounted somewhere? |
| 22:40.28 | nevyn | type mount |
| 22:40.49 | nevyn | so there should be gui helper stuff that does all this via "my devices" type stuff. |
| 22:42.09 | starZ | nevyn: no it's not mounted, I have nothing /dev/sdb when i type mount.. but there is an icon in thunar?? |
| 22:42.26 | nevyn | wtf is thunar? |
| 22:42.26 | jordanm | starZ: click the icon in thunar? |
| 22:42.31 | jordanm | nevyn: xfce file manager |
| 22:42.34 | nevyn | ah |
| 22:42.36 | nevyn | thanks. |
| 22:42.58 | starZ | jordanm: says 'not authorized' |
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| 22:43.45 | starZ | nevyn: is there a gui soft to handel this?? |
| 22:44.08 | jordanm | starZ: thunar |
| 22:45.06 | tharkun | starZ: fix your permission to mount stuff on your machine, or at least for that particular partition and then mounting them with thunar should be a breeze |
| 22:46.59 | nevyn | tharkun: he has permissions on the device.. what else doe he need? |
| 22:47.01 | starZ | jordanm: did I miss some awsome settings to add to thunar??.. |
| 22:47.12 | starZ | tharkun: how?? |
| 22:47.42 | jordanm | starZ: did you already verify you were in the plugdev group? |
| 22:47.54 | starZ | tharkun: I've tryed adding a 51-android.. rule but no change.. |
| 22:48.17 | nevyn | starZ: when you added yourself to plugdev you logged off and on again right? |
| 22:48.18 | starZ | jordanm: yes in plugdev and floppy.. |
| 22:48.32 | jordanm | starZ: recently added? |
| 22:48.55 | nevyn | 08:35 < starZ> nevyn: i'm in plugdev now but it does not change anything.. ? |
| 22:49.04 | slidesinger | Having a spot of bother installing rme digiface with pci hdsp card. Modules are loaded, but alsactl init still insists there are no sound cards present. |
| 22:49.13 | starZ | nevyn: yes .. but let me reboot and I'll be back.. we never know.. lol |
| 22:49.18 | jordanm | starZ: you have to log out and log back in after adding yourself to a group |
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| 22:50.06 | tharkun | nevyn: I'm kind of in a rush on fstab the entry has to have user for it to be mounted by a regular |
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| 22:52.35 | nevyn | tharkun: no it doesn't |
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| 22:52.57 | Jef91 | Where are the postinst files stored for packages on the system? I have one that is failing out that I need to manually edit |
| 22:53.23 | evilbulgarian | anyone can help me understand why debian wheezy installer is not detecting my multipath devices in partition menu even tho they exist in /dev/mapper/mpatha1,2 |
| 22:53.28 | jordanm | Jef91: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 22:55.44 | Jef91 | thanks jordanm |
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| 22:56.11 | peterS | has anybody encountered a disk whose MSDOS-style partition table seems to assume 4096-byte sectors instead of 512-byte? Both the linux kernel and 'parted' seem to be getting it wrong. |
| 22:56.23 | peterS | I mean it's not hard to work around with losetup, but.... |
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| 22:56.50 | tharkun | nevyn: ok, on my system for some unknown reason it is. I will not discuss it any more. |
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| 23:03.56 | mshamma | hi, I have a question about maintaining debian mirrors |
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| 23:08.03 | starZ | hey there.. still stuck on wheezy with the nexus S does it have something to do with android version?? |
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| 23:36.29 | B1rd|b0rked | here's one for you: how do I unwedge a "stuck" GNOME 3? (there's a "ghost" Chromium in the foreground after I killall'ed chromium, and the GNOME 3 GUI doesn't respond at all to clicks or keystrokes, but I can move the mouse and Ctrl-Alt-Fn to a terminal OK) |
| 23:38.52 | bizhanMona | Hi all, I am a newbie and would like to get an instruction on installing Debian on my PC. Thank you. |
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| 23:46.46 | bizhanMona | question is ia64 for x86_64 architecture? |
| 23:47.35 | B1rd|b0rked | no |
| 23:47.41 | B1rd|b0rked | x86_64 == amd64 |
| 23:47.46 | B1rd|b0rked | ia64 is a totally different beast |
| 23:47.55 | aidalgol | ia64 is Itainium |
| 23:48.18 | bizhanMona | Thanks for info. |
| 23:49.25 | bizhanMona | I am trying to find a minimalistic debian packages and build on it. Any hints please? |
| 23:56.28 | mns | I have a debian/testing server on which I run postfix and lighttpd. Both of them have virtual domains that they serve. I would like to provide statistics for each virtual domain, as to how many incoming/outgoing/bounced/rejected emails there were and similar for the web server. what good tools can I use them ? nagios ? cacti ? something else ? |
