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| 00:02.26 | bizhanMona | Does debian supports Ivy Bridge ? |
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| 00:06.59 | z_marco | mns: You can google "mrtg monitoring smtp" and the second link has three useful perl scripts for postfix. It's good for incoming and outgoing email, but if you want mailq stats then perhaps you can customize it yourself? |
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| 00:16.12 | Hiryu | does anyone know if it's possible to set a user's login shell based on their group membership? Particularly with ldap |
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| 00:18.32 | mns | zmarco: thanks. I'll take a look at that. |
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| 00:23.32 | mns | I dont know how I'd forgotten about mrtg |
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| 00:27.54 | z_marco | lol@mns.. I thought about network monitoring, particularly smtp traffic and the first thing that came to mind was mrtg. Nagios, Big Brother and others are great for hardware stats. :-) |
| 00:28.05 | abrotman | mns: you were on drugs, fell down, hit your head? |
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| 00:38.03 | luckz | should unstable-related issues all go to the oftc channel, or may they also be asked here? |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | you can ask here |
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| 00:39.59 | luckz | I think that either the upgrade form perl 5.12 to perl 5.14 or the mysql upgrade to 5.5 broke my apache a ton. I was hosting various websites (webmail, wordpress, etc) but only very simple ones still work, the others all throw error 500, and I don't see anything obvious in apache log files. |
| 00:40.52 | abrotman | you were hosting .. on .. unstable ? |
| 00:40.58 | luckz | also, I am on amd64, and I have trouble understanding the implications of wanting to use wine to run 32bit windows software. |
| 00:41.36 | dabid | because you're a cheapskate, and cheapskates don't use Windows. |
| 00:41.57 | abrotman | dabid: that's not helpful .. |
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| 00:42.56 | luckz | not 'hosting' as in running a multi million dollar website, just my own personal things. I know that unstable is unstable, I just wonder whether I broke things or some update broke things. |
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| 00:43.07 | abrotman | there's a BTS |
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| 00:44.05 | luckz | dabid: you're welcome to find a more suitable channel to explain that to me; I presume query also works. doubt it fits in here as a topic though. |
| 00:44.32 | abrotman | luckz: or use /ignore |
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| 00:45.15 | luckz | abrotman: I find asking on IRC more reasonable than opening a bug report on some BTS when I don't even know if I'm in any way encountering a bug. |
| 00:45.27 | luckz | (under the impression that a BTS is not a help forum) |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | i'm saying to look at the BTS to see if anyone else has th same problem |
| 00:46.43 | luckz | abrotman: in other respects, my problem currently looks like http://pastebin.com/RQ9mvVjX |
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| 00:48.57 | abrotman | no surprise nothing works .. your system lopoks like it's six motnhs out of date |
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| 00:49.44 | luckz | that's "mostly" the binary wine package conflicting with what apt would like to install |
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| 00:52.13 | tomreyn | on a squeeze system i read that /etc/init.d/networking restart is considered deprecated. it doesn't say what the recommended way to reload the network configuration is, though |
| 00:52.19 | tomreyn | what is it? |
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| 00:53.25 | brick | any reference or tutorial for a udev rule so that my sound card is in the same place every time? i don't know whether to try to control /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/pcm/C* , or how to test the rules without rebooting. |
| 00:53.32 | abrotman | luckz: you're running unstable, your system is woefully out of date |
| 00:53.43 | abrotman | brick: like a udev rule ? |
| 00:54.07 | brick | abrotman, yes, an example one would be great! |
| 00:54.24 | brick | here is what i wrote and i think fails: BUS=="pci", ID=="03:05.0", NAME="dsp" |
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| 00:57.07 | abrotman | does it log anything ? |
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| 00:59.14 | brick | no. now i think this because i put it in udev.conf instead of rules.d/ (oops.) |
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| 01:00.22 | brick | so i put that same line into /etc/udev/rules.d/20-sound.rules |
| 01:00.53 | brick | i will reboot sooner or later, but is there any other way to test-evaluate this first? |
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| 01:12.18 | crocket | Does debian squeeze come with postgresql by default? |
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| 01:12.24 | crocket | I don't see mysql-server installed. |
| 01:12.38 | Iskorptix_ | can I create multiple bridges on 1 ethX and make them communicate with each other ? |
| 01:12.46 | crocket | oops |
| 01:12.49 | crocket | It is installed. |
| 01:13.15 | crocket | Why is mysql missing in /etc/init.d? |
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| 01:16.41 | gotmynick | crocket, it shouldn't be missed |
| 01:16.48 | gotmynick | Iskorptix_, yes |
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| 01:16.55 | crocket | gotmynick, But it is. |
| 01:17.09 | gotmynick | Iskorptix_, ma bridge-utils-interfaces, see bridge_ports |
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| 01:17.32 | abrotman | crocket: you can install either |
| 01:17.52 | gotmynick | crocket, did you installed mysql-server ? then there should be a init.d script |
| 01:18.04 | crocket | gotmynick, How do I check if mysql-server is installed? |
| 01:18.33 | gotmynick | dpkg -l mysql-server |
| 01:18.34 | dpkg | ii mysql-server 3.3-1.2 gotmynick's private gamp collection |
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| 01:18.43 | gotmynick | arrrg |
| 01:18.59 | gotmynick | 3.3 ... obsolete boot |
| 01:19.03 | gotmynick | bot |
| 01:19.12 | crocket | gotmynick, no package found. |
| 01:19.27 | gotmynick | dpkg -l | grep mysql |
| 01:19.27 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep mysql |
| 01:19.50 | gotmynick | you said "It is installed." |
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| 01:20.43 | abrotman | gotmynick: it' a joke |
| 01:21.05 | gotmynick | adds a self note "avoid sentences starting by 'dpkg' in #debian" |
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| 01:30.42 | guest34324 | Hi guys! I am trying to convert a sparse file into one with all blocks allocated (without any blocks to spare). Is using "dd if=my.img of=my.img" (that is, using the same file as input and output) a bad idea? |
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| 01:36.32 | Iskorptix_ | gotmynick, sorry, what did you mean ? |
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| 01:37.53 | gotmynick | Iskorptix_, man bridge-utils-interfaces, then see bridge_ports into the man page |
| 01:38.02 | gotmynick | you can bridge as many interfaces as needed |
| 01:39.51 | Iskorptix_ | gotmynick, thanks, it looks a bit complex, what if I would setup several network interfaces and started to route traffic from my vms to through those ethX:X, will this would work ? |
| 01:40.06 | Iskorptix_ | I mean virtual* network inerfaces |
| 01:40.27 | gotmynick | mmm I've never used bridge with ethX:X, not sure |
| 01:40.38 | gotmynick | I use to bridge with tap interfaces for KVM |
| 01:40.47 | gotmynick | one ethX and as many tapX as needed |
| 01:41.40 | gotmynick | -net tap,ifname=tap8,script=no,sownscript=no as parameter to this VM |
| 01:41.55 | gotmynick | errr s/sownscript/downscript/ |
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| 01:43.18 | crocket | How can I obtain PCRE>4.0 on debian squeeze? |
| 01:43.22 | crocket | There seems to be only PCRE3. |
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| 01:43.48 | Iskorptix_ | gotmynick, actually I use KVM as well (if it matters here..), basically I'm trying to setup multiple private lans, so each vm would be inside different network, wondering what could be the best option here... |
| 01:43.58 | gotmynick | ,versions pcre4 |
| 01:43.59 | judd | No package named 'pcre4' was found in i386. |
| 01:44.11 | crocket | oops |
| 01:44.20 | gotmynick | ,versions libpcre4 |
| 01:44.21 | judd | No package named 'libpcre4' was found in i386. |
| 01:44.24 | gotmynick | ,versions libpcre |
| 01:44.24 | crocket | media wiki actually needs php extension PCRE 4.0+ |
| 01:44.25 | judd | No package named 'libpcre' was found in i386. |
| 01:44.37 | crocket | It's a php extension. |
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| 01:45.19 | crocket | Does debian have php-pcre? |
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| 01:46.42 | antivirys | tried to delete the old desktop environment that is lxde and installed KDE but it gives me the following error: see below please |
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| 01:46.47 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/188157/ |
| 01:47.24 | antivirys | if anyone help me??pleasee |
| 01:48.10 | nsadmin | gotmynick, try apt-cache search pcre (in your terminal of the machine you want to install it on) |
| 01:48.48 | brick | abrotman, was what i pasted anything like what you have? should i reboot and check dmesg now? |
| 01:49.04 | gotmynick | crocket, try what nsadmin said |
| 01:49.22 | nsadmin | antivirys, try dpkg --configure --pending |
| 01:49.31 | abrotman | brick: you can, i am unsure |
| 01:49.35 | gotmynick | it's included with mod-php for apache, with php5-cgi and php5-cli, I don't know about the version still |
| 01:49.49 | antivirys | I tried but still gives me the same problem |
| 01:50.05 | gotmynick | Iskorptix_, if you want to isolate networks, a bridge is not the better option, unless you use something like ebtables or arptables |
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| 01:50.40 | crocket | oh |
| 01:50.41 | Iskorptix_ | well, at first I'm looking for the option which would work I think |
| 01:51.06 | antivirys | .... |
| 01:51.15 | nsadmin | antivirys, so most likely you have packages that are somehow conflicting with each other |
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| 01:51.45 | nsadmin | and one possible cause of that, is you're mixing releases |
| 01:51.53 | crocket | nsadmin, gotmynick I got http://pastebin.com/LWtT05aU |
| 01:52.16 | antivirys | I understand that this conflict is the issue and trying to fix a lot of room but without success; ( |
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| 01:53.19 | gotmynick | crocket, try apt-cache search php pcre # to refine results |
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| 01:53.32 | gotmynick | still I'm not sure if the included version is 3 or 4 |
| 01:54.05 | crocket | ok |
| 01:54.15 | crocket | gotmynick, nsadmin : phpinfo() tells me "PCRE (Perl Compatible Regular Expressions) Support enabled ". |
| 01:54.21 | crocket | It's already enabled. |
| 01:54.24 | crocket | PCRE Library Version 8.02 2010-03-19 |
| 01:54.29 | brick | thanks abrotman, will do |
| 01:54.52 | nsadmin | hmm... ok :) |
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| 01:56.24 | antivirys | Debian crap and shit five years problems with package management system!!! |
| 01:56.52 | calrogman | sorry, try again but with more exclamation marks |
| 01:57.01 | antivirys | finally got to put my Slack and no one to bother with these Bosie bugs etc. |
| 01:58.28 | nsadmin | antivirys, you can blame debian if you want to... and, incompatible versions of php with whatever you're using is the actual cause |
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| 01:59.37 | gotmynick | if slack is in use, fine, just this isn't the right channel |
| 01:59.39 | nsadmin | the reason debian has a dependency system in the first place is to indicate what packages work together and which don't |
| 01:59.59 | antivirys | Thank you reminded me of this problem with php-then I forgot it all started from there, if you help me I will now show you what do you tell me what you think |
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| 02:00.40 | gotmynick | any distro with dependency management will break if used after a long enough unmaintained time |
| 02:01.12 | antivirys | looked |
| 02:01.13 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/188159/ |
| 02:01.29 | calrogman | i had a debian unstable box go eight months without getting updated. i had to spend, maybe two minutes, resoving dependencies in aptitude's resolver, then it was full up to date, gotmynick |
| 02:02.07 | gotmynick | maybe eight months is not enough |
| 02:02.08 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/188160/ |
| 02:02.37 | calrogman | or maybe your claims are exaggerated, we may never know... |
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| 02:03.13 | antivirys | .. |
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| 02:04.12 | nsadmin | antivirys, -and-, it's not exactly php's fault either... it's really how app developers want to use the latest features of the language... this makes previous versions of the language unsuitable |
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| 02:05.08 | antivirys | well you will be able to solve this problem or preinstall? |
| 02:05.46 | antivirys | 40 min reading in google uncle but nothing helps dumb now |
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| 02:05.51 | antivirys | :? |
| 02:08.02 | nsadmin | pastebin your sources.list |
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| 02:08.41 | monocle | my 'apt-get party' doesn't do anything awesome. any advice? |
| 02:09.11 | nsadmin | monocle, what do you actually want? |
| 02:10.03 | monocle | aw, nothing |
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| 02:18.07 | crocket | Is TeX installed by default in debian? |
| 02:18.09 | crocket | which package is it? |
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| 02:19.53 | Tramp | crocket: no. texlive |
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| 02:20.40 | crocket | texlive |
| 02:20.48 | crocket | I'm installing texlive-full which consumes 1900MB. |
| 02:20.55 | crocket | Am I doing it properly? |
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| 02:22.04 | Tramp | if you want full. I'd want texlive |
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| 02:24.03 | Tramp | I don't write much armenian or hungarian though, thus I can go without those language packages. But your requirements may be different |
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| 02:28.10 | ageis | the latest updates to wheezy appear to have disabled my ability to move mouse on xfce |
| 02:28.12 | ageis | xorg.conf looks good |
| 02:28.24 | ageis | can't move or click |
| 02:29.22 | ageis | anyone have this same problem or have any ideas about rectifying it? |
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| 02:30.04 | ageis | I dont see the relevant package that would have fucked with it in /var/log/apt/history.log.. maybe desktop-base |
| 02:31.08 | nsadmin | ageis, what about on some simple wm like fvwm? |
| 02:31.28 | ageis | ill try an alternate wm |
| 02:31.31 | ageis | awesome it will be |
| 02:31.32 | nsadmin | (so, I have doubts that it's one env or another) |
| 02:31.48 | ageis | i've tried different users as well |
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| 02:32.12 | nsadmin | if worst comes to worst, try plugging mouse in :) |
| 02:32.15 | ageis | any tip on how do I change my xinitrc so it doesnt load xfce and loads awesome instead |
| 02:32.18 | calrogman | i'd see about reloading the psmouse module with proto=imps |
| 02:32.24 | calrogman | then restarting X |
| 02:32.33 | ageis | calrogman: where would i put that? |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | ageis: tried without xorg.conf ? |
| 02:32.50 | guest34324 | crocket: installing the texlive Debian package is probably not a smart choice. Parts of it are (very, very) outdated. |
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| 02:33.08 | calrogman | modprobe -r psmouse; modprobe psmouse proto=imps |
| 02:33.11 | ageis | abrotman: will do |
| 02:33.13 | ageis | calrogman: thanks |
| 02:33.22 | crocket | guest34324, I'm so disappointed. |
| 02:33.32 | guest34324 | crocket: installing texlive as a standalone distribution (e.g., in /opt, or as a regular user in ~/opt) is a much better choice. |
| 02:33.37 | nsadmin | you could try running X, switch back to console, DISPLAY=:0, run awesome |
| 02:33.38 | ageis | abrotman: without xorg.conf, same issue. |
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| 02:33.46 | ageis | kk |
| 02:33.58 | guest34324 | crocket: you get to enjoy the texlive package manager, which is, well, designed to manage texlive packages |
| 02:34.11 | nsadmin | you may have to export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 02:34.14 | crocket | guest34324, debian is so outdated. |
| 02:34.23 | ageis | hey, the modprobe psmouse worked |
| 02:34.24 | ageis | thanks |
| 02:34.41 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 02:35.00 | calrogman | okay, excellent, now put "options psmouse proto=imps" in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf to make that persistent :) |
| 02:35.14 | ageis | great |
| 02:35.40 | guest34324 | crocket: Well, Debian is meant to be stable and I respect (and enjoy) that. But restricting myself to 5-year-old .cls and .sty files is not an option if you collaborate with other people on .tex documents. |
| 02:35.58 | ageis | calrogman: thanks a lot |
| 02:36.00 | nsadmin | ageis, you may wish to reboot to test all that stuff |
| 02:36.09 | calrogman | no problem ageis :) |
| 02:36.20 | crocket | guest34324, I need texlive for media wiki. |
| 02:36.23 | nsadmin | shouldn't be necessary except to ease your mind |
| 02:36.27 | crocket | media wiki formulae generation. |
| 02:36.29 | ageis | i think this should qualify as a bug in one of the latest wheezy pkgs tho :P |
| 02:37.01 | nsadmin | ageis, well it's a local device issue |
| 02:37.17 | ageis | its just weird when an update breaks stuff |
| 02:37.22 | calrogman | it's a kernel regression, really |
| 02:37.30 | ageis | i guess to be expected in testing |
| 02:37.34 | nsadmin | if there's a thing that's supposed to find the psmouse, maybe the bug is there |
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| 02:38.16 | ageis | maybe it's looking for a USB mouse instead |
| 02:38.22 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's not a bug |
| 02:38.38 | ageis | since less and less people are using ps/2 mouses, i wouldn't be surprised |
| 02:39.18 | ageis | oh well, now it turns out my keyboard doesnt work either lol |
| 02:39.23 | ageis | athough it does in cli |
| 02:39.26 | nsadmin | iirc, there are adapters to hook to the ps/2 mouse plug and make them usb |
| 02:39.52 | ageis | my keyboard is USB however |
| 02:39.57 | ageis | i'l try re-plugging |
| 02:40.06 | nsadmin | was gonna suggest that |
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| 02:40.16 | guest34324 | crocket: if all you need is a basic *TeX installation, you'll be fine. Although texlive-full might be overkill to just typeset equations :) |
| 02:40.18 | ageis | nsadmin: worked :D |
| 02:40.38 | crocket | guest34324 : hooray |
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| 02:42.55 | nsadmin | ageis, so now everything's up? |
| 02:44.12 | ageis | nsadmin: yep |
| 02:44.15 | ageis | nsadmin: ill reboot and see if persistent |
| 02:44.30 | calrogman | fingers crossed! |
| 02:44.43 | calrogman | but don't cross your PS/2 cable, that's not good for the flex :( |
| 02:45.09 | crocket | Where should I put media wiki in debian/ |
| 02:45.12 | crocket | I'm reading "man hier". |
| 02:45.36 | abrotman | it has a package? |
| 02:45.36 | guest34324 | crocket: /srv/www/mediawiki might be a good idea :) |
| 02:45.54 | crocket | guest34324 : apache's docroot is at /var/www |
| 02:46.05 | guest34324 | not if you change it |
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| 02:47.14 | nsadmin | guest34324, so did you change it? |
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| 02:47.50 | ageis | nsadmin / calrogman: ok, it's not persistent (only tested mouse so far) |
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| 02:48.08 | nsadmin | which things didn't work? |
| 02:48.09 | ageis | i'll just put it in rc.local |
| 02:48.20 | calrogman | well, that's troublesome :( |
| 02:48.49 | guest34324 | nsadmin: erm. Yes, I did? |
| 02:48.51 | ageis | what then |
| 02:49.15 | nsadmin | guest34324, oh, ok... :) |
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| 02:50.10 | ageis | how do I enable the /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf |
| 02:50.20 | guest34324 | crocket: I understand that /srv (served content) is a very new addition to the FHS and /var (data that is frequently changing) might make sense, too. But (at least to me) it does not quite fit. |
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| 02:51.10 | crocket | guest34324, I moved mediaiki to /srv and symlinked it to /var/www |
| 02:51.18 | guest34324 | excellent idea |
| 02:52.08 | ageis | i also have to re-plug my keyboard every boot |
| 02:52.27 | shake | does anyone know a programm. which is able to login and to execute one job |
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| 02:53.01 | aravind | shake: ssh |
| 02:53.42 | shake | how can i setup the ssh |
| 02:54.16 | shake | i got ssh2 running on my machine |
| 02:54.56 | calrogman | ageis: that should be parsed automagically by modprobe |
| 02:54.57 | nsadmin | shake, probably I'll suggest the man page for ssh |
| 02:55.17 | shake | never used ssh |
| 02:55.31 | shake | i dont know where and how |
| 02:55.44 | calrogman | so... read the man pages... |
| 02:55.49 | aravind | shake: google for it then, with the exact words in your original question. |
| 02:55.52 | ageis | okay |
| 02:56.00 | ageis | i'll figure it out, at least its working. thanks again |
| 02:56.22 | ageis | is there a kernel module for the usb keyboard |
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| 02:58.31 | dioz | anyone here know what arp flux is ? |
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| 03:00.24 | shake | can a ssh command can be execute exatcly at static stime |
| 03:00.53 | shake | so that it makes evreyday at 12pm the same command |
| 03:00.53 | shake | ? |
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| 03:12.43 | shake | is that a cronjob? |
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| 03:13.47 | kingsley | shake: Yes, cronjobs run programs at certain times. |
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| 03:14.01 | shake | ok |
| 03:14.03 | shake | thx |
| 03:14.05 | shake | :) |
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| 03:14.45 | kingsley | shake: I seem to recall there's a trick to running ssh non-interactively, possibly with respect to specifying a password. |
| 03:14.55 | kingsley | You're welcome. |
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| 03:15.46 | mmnicolas | passwordless keys ? |
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| 03:16.48 | brick | abrotman, no change, nothing in dmesg, wtf? |
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| 03:17.25 | brick | this is a stupid requirement, to write rules to match a mystery configuration, then no feedback on whether they work... i want to go back to having a slower boot and the devices in the same places every time |
| 03:17.57 | shake | ok so i can put a php skript into that cronjob and it will execute the command just on time a day |
| 03:18.21 | shake | i want to kick the source of our shoutcast autodj |
| 03:18.32 | shake | auto |
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| 03:20.21 | bananafish | hey all I cannot seem to get palimpsest (disk utility) to work when I VNC in? am I doing something wrong? |
| 03:20.32 | bananafish | I know I have used the program before |
| 03:20.38 | bananafish | but maybe not via vnc |
| 03:21.07 | shake | my idea is to put the executiv php skript into a cronjob. But i dont know how to create a cronjob which does the php comman. does someone knows a page where i can read about it. google is a bad seracher :D |
| 03:21.14 | shake | in my opnion |
| 03:21.37 | superstraw | google is bad for searching.... hmm. |
| 03:21.42 | shake | yes |
| 03:21.46 | riex | How can i install unzip without apt-get install unzip? :-) |
| 03:21.46 | shake | it was better |
| 03:22.11 | shake | to much highed pushed webseites |
| 03:22.12 | rgenito | riex: how DARE you simultaneously post that in debian and ubuntu! |
| 03:22.25 | riex | rgenito, just answer me? |
| 03:22.26 | superstraw | lol |
| 03:22.33 | rgenito | jk, i cannot think of a way. i mean, you need software to do things |
| 03:22.38 | rgenito | and the only software i know of is unzip |
| 03:22.54 | rgenito | that's a good question you have tho, i'm curious as well |
| 03:23.41 | bananafish | crontab and php... dont you just ... php /path/to/script ? |
| 03:24.26 | rgenito | pretty much |
| 03:24.33 | rgenito | make sure you have the time frequency correct |
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| 03:24.47 | shake | i found something better on the net |
| 03:24.48 | rgenito | also, i've gotten in the habit of doing "> /tmp/script-name" at the end of the call |
| 03:24.56 | shake | a webseite which does the cronjobs |
| 03:24.59 | bananafish | anybody know about my disk utility issue? |
| 03:25.01 | rgenito | shake: what's that? duckduckgo.com ? :) |
| 03:25.10 | shake | i dunno |
| 03:25.38 | shake | :x |
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| 03:33.52 | magyar | hi, where can i find img2iso binary for wheezy? |
| 03:34.24 | bethebunny | Heya. I just tried downloading the business card iso for 6.04. The md5 matched, but when I tried to boot it, I got an "invalid or corrput kernel image". Tried again with the full cd image, same thing. My google-fu is not very effective. Any ideas? |
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| 03:35.48 | brick | shake, don't worry about what your cron script will do if you're trying to learn cron, just run something |
| 03:35.56 | brick | then make the something be what you want |
| 03:36.16 | brick | * * * * * to make it run every minute |
| 03:36.31 | shake | i will try |
| 03:37.21 | brick | remember that cron doesn't use a whole bash shell to run things, so if you want redirects or funny paths you might want to write a wrapper script |
| 03:38.45 | shake | i dunno what you want say |
| 03:38.54 | shake | cant get it |
| 03:39.47 | nsadmin | to understand that, it would be necessary to understand your shell more completely |
| 03:40.57 | luckz | now, how'd I go about debugging my apache throwing error 500 for most things.. (squirrelmail, wordpress, etc) |
| 03:42.11 | shake | im understanding from day zto day more and more |
| 03:42.13 | shake | :) |
| 03:42.23 | nsadmin | good :) |
| 03:42.45 | nsadmin | the more you do, the funner will be your experience |
| 03:43.45 | luckz | I can access simple html like webalizer fine |
| 03:43.54 | bethebunny | luckz: check /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 03:43.55 | maukd | luckz: look at the error log |
| 03:44.58 | shake | i noticed that nsadmin |
| 03:45.00 | shake | :D |
| 03:46.35 | luckz | mhm, there's a bunch there indeed, most notably http://pastebin.com/3Gb2UYbN . I wonder how I broke that. |
| 03:48.08 | luckz | guess suhosin disappeared. |
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| 03:52.39 | luckz | bethebunny, maukd: I resolved the errors there (apc; suhosin) but still have the same issues. this now looks fine to me: http://pastebin.com/NLKE0mNw |
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| 04:04.52 | bethebunny | luckz: The problem is then likely in the specific module that you're using. Wordpress, php, ruby, etc. may have their own logs that you need to check. I'd poke around in /var/log to try to find them. |
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| 04:11.38 | luckz | ok, it was a suphp.conf issue, somehow it was missing a line or two as of an update |
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| 04:12.08 | bethebunny | Ok. Solved livecd issue one. Apparently my cd drive couldn't burn the image properly. Woo. |
| 04:13.20 | bethebunny | Now I'm getting the same thing I got two days ago with a different debian image. The install cd isn't finding my CD rom drive, so it can't mount the cd. WAT |
| 04:19.21 | luckz | bethebunny: my issue was all over suphp.conf; now I'm using goatse security but I finally have all sites/apps working again |
| 04:19.30 | luckz | ("docroot=/*") |
| 04:20.23 | luckz | mh, it also needs allow_file_group_writeable and allow_directory_group_writeable to work. seriously, what did I break here.. |
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| 04:29.34 | bethebunny | luckz: Heh. I seem to have solved my problem also. Apparently I need my sata controllers set to AHCI mode to boot debian >.> |
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| 04:29.53 | luckz | bethebunny: as opposed to IDE mode, or RAID, or? |
| 04:30.12 | brick | can i remove udev and go back to whatever preceded it? i am having no luck configuring it to find my sound card in the right place. |
| 04:30.33 | bethebunny | luckz: IDE mode was the default on my mobo I guess. |
| 04:30.40 | luckz | it tends to be on old mainboards |
| 04:30.49 | luckz | thankfully new ones have AHCI as default |
| 04:31.12 | luckz | (my silly friend just bought a new computer and of course installed the OS before even looking at the BIOS) |
| 04:31.17 | bethebunny | luckz: This one is a high-end current-gen MSI/intel board that I bought last year >.> |
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| 04:31.33 | luckz | 'current gen' would be Z77 |
| 04:31.38 | luckz | did they have that last year? |
| 04:31.43 | bethebunny | brick: I've been down that road before. The pre-udev era was scary. |
| 04:31.49 | bethebunny | luckz: Yep, that's the one |
| 04:32.12 | brick | OK bethebunny, any tips? can i see your udev rules? |
| 04:32.22 | brick | right now i am rebooting at every edit to see no change... this seems like a dead end |
| 04:32.23 | luckz | mhm, then his one has different defaults or your firmware is ancient. he bought a reasonably cheap ASUS. |
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| 04:33.26 | jsnikeris | anyone else having trouble downloading the wheezy installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b1-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 04:34.07 | jeep | if use the install dvd1 will i have a functioning system ? ive used the net install for like 8 years but im on real bad internets right now and need the system to be back up fast |
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| 04:35.04 | bethebunny | brick: I ended up installing a newer version of udev that sucked less and didn't have the problems of the previous one. I'm sorry :( udev rules are indeed terrifying |
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| 04:35.40 | brick | bethebunny, i see. what were the version numbers? |
| 04:36.06 | brick | i seem to have 175-3.1 |
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| 04:37.55 | brick | OK, installing 175-7... |
| 04:38.07 | bethebunny | brick: This was several years ago, back when I used gentoo. Really the only advice that I can offer is that going pre-udev was a bad idea even then xD |
| 04:38.40 | brick | fair enough. |
| 04:38.56 | brick | out of the preceding fifteen years i used linux, i do think i had sound most of the time, though ;) |
| 04:39.33 | brick | bethebunny, thanks for explaining. |
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| 04:40.11 | brick | OK, i have asked in #alsa, ##hardware, #udev, and here. any suggestions where else is relevant? |
| 04:40.36 | bethebunny | Wait |
| 04:40.45 | bethebunny | what does this have to do with sound? |
| 04:42.00 | brick | see my first message - sound card appears as the wrong devices. all my programs seem to play to /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p by default and i need to make that point to my sound card again |
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| 04:42.16 | brick | maybe i can just mknod it for the time being.. erg |
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| 04:42.52 | bethebunny | And you're using alsa rather than pulseaudio? |
| 04:43.26 | brick | not sure... both seem to be installed... how can i tell? |
| 04:43.44 | brick | i _thought_ it was ALSA but now i'm not sure as i haven't configured anything relevant since this install |
| 04:44.10 | bethebunny | Chances are you're basically using both |
| 04:45.09 | brick | OK, any reason to think one would be better or worse for my case? |
| 04:46.04 | jpinx | !alsa checklist |
| 04:46.05 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
| 04:46.40 | jpinx | brick: ^^ hth ;) |
| 04:47.08 | brick | thanks jpinx ! |
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| 04:47.31 | jpinx | yw :) |
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| 04:50.21 | brick | this is so odd... i created the devices with mknod, but when i try to play to them, even as root, i get permission denied, file busy. then check with fuser and noone is using it!! |
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| 04:54.25 | dizzylizzy | Is it possible to make the frames of a gif play once before showing the GDM login screen? |
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| 04:55.57 | dizzylizzy | i want this to be my boot animation: http://i.imgur.com/Chhrw.gif |
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| 04:57.27 | jeep | dizzylizzy: hmm maybe as the startup splash after you login |
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| 05:00.53 | crocket | Media Wiki installer tells me "Could not find a suitable database driver! You need to install a database driver for PHP. The following database types are supported: MySQL, PostgreSQL, Oracle, SQLite, IBM DB2. ". |
| 05:01.00 | crocket | Should I install php5-mysql? |
| 05:01.06 | crocket | I installed it, but I still see that error. |
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| 05:20.39 | TheSarge | Which Iso do i want for x86_64? |
| 05:20.56 | TheSarge | I dont see one specifically for that? |
| 05:21.16 | TheSarge | I have a 64bit proc but I want to be able to run both types of software |
| 05:21.18 | gnarface | TheSarge: they are *all* amd64 except itanium |
| 05:21.35 | gnarface | TheSarge: and that is a feature ONLY of the amd64 hardware |
| 05:21.39 | TheSarge | gnarface: So the amd64 net install image will be okay? |
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| 05:23.12 | TheSarge | Which Iso do i want for x86_64?And the website is lagging for some reason.. |
| 05:23.15 | TheSarge | Maybe its me |
| 05:23.41 | TheSarge | I want SID anyways |
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| 05:24.48 | TheSarge | cdimage.debian.org is down? |
| 05:25.01 | TheSarge | Great |
| 05:25.20 | TheSarge | All I want is a tiny torrent file, haha. |
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| 05:27.24 | gnarface | TheSarge: you probably want a netboot installer; http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 05:27.49 | gnarface | TheSarge: sorry, yes, you were right. the amd64 net install image is exactly what you want. |
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| 05:29.39 | gnarface | TheSarge: i wouldn't recommend attempting to install SID. its usually far easier to install stable and upgrade to it |
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| 05:29.51 | TheSarge | gnarface: cdimage.debian.com is down though.. I cant get an ISO, Torrent, or Jigdo.. |
| 05:30.02 | gnarface | TheSarge: there are a bazillion mirrors |
| 05:30.13 | TheSarge | I cant find a sinle one |
| 05:30.54 | gnarface | hmm.... |
| 05:30.59 | gnarface | why is cdimage down anyway? |
| 05:31.02 | gnarface | stand by |
| 05:31.18 | TheSarge | I need to start this install 20 mins ago. |
| 05:31.26 | TheSarge | :) |
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| 05:33.26 | TheSarge | The mirris confuse me |
| 05:33.40 | TheSarge | There is like 40 ISO's in each dir all with a number at the end |
| 05:33.44 | TheSarge | mirrors |
| 05:35.07 | simonlnu | it's .org not .com |
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| 05:36.28 | gnarface | hey guys uh.... anyone know what happened to cdimage.debian.org? |
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| 05:36.38 | TheSarge | simonlnu: Whatever it is, its down |
| 05:36.49 | TheSarge | And I need it. |
| 05:37.02 | starZ | hi there, running wheezy with openbox and thunar, and I can't mount my nexus usb storage when i'm not root.. is there any workaround or.. ?? |
| 05:37.22 | simonlnu | if it is, then it'll be back asap. i'm sure relevant folks know by now. |
| 05:38.04 | TheSarge | starZ: Change the fstab |
| 05:38.34 | TheSarge | All I need is the torrent file for the stupid net install for amd64 |
| 05:38.47 | gnarface | TheSarge: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:39.00 | gnarface | TheSarge: just use this |
| 05:39.01 | simonlnu | try via bittorrent |
| 05:39.12 | gnarface | no the mirrors are up you just need to look at them |
| 05:39.14 | simonlnu | or a mirror ^^ *g* |
| 05:39.26 | gnarface | whatever is wrong with cdimage.debian.org is internal. its live on the net its just not serving pages |
| 05:39.42 | starZ | TheSarge: thx, how do I find the UUID ?? |
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| 05:40.07 | simonlnu | confirmed |
| 05:40.14 | gnarface | starZ: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 05:40.25 | simonlnu | PORT STATE SERVICE |
| 05:40.26 | simonlnu | 80/tcp filtered http |
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| 05:40.33 | starZ | gnarface: thx!! |
| 05:40.57 | simonlnu | gl and gn |
| 05:41.20 | gnarface | starZ: np |
| 05:41.37 | gnarface | starZ: don't forget if you reformat or change the partition sizes, the UUID will change too. |
| 05:42.24 | jpinx | gnarface: strictly speaking - that lists partitions - not physical disks |
| 05:42.33 | starZ | gnarface: thx a lot!! ..how do i know which is the right one for the nexus ?? |
| 05:42.51 | TheSarge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.51 | gnarface | jpinx: did i say otherwise? |
| 05:43.19 | TheSarge | gnarface: ftp://mirrors.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/6.0.3/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 05:43.24 | TheSarge | There are like 40 iso's |
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| 05:43.34 | gnarface | jpinx: oh i missed the part about how he said it was a USB key |
| 05:43.37 | TheSarge | What is the difference here? |
| 05:44.10 | gnarface | starZ: uh... usually if you run dmesg right after plugging in a usb device, the last few lines will contain a /dev node |
| 05:44.28 | TheSarge | or just do dmesg |grep /dev |
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| 05:45.02 | jpinx | starZ: fwiw - I connect my n900 by usb and then mount it using sshfs |
| 05:45.14 | TheSarge | gnarface: you see how all those torrent files end in a number? What is the signifigance? |
| 05:45.16 | starZ | gnarface: thx you guys!! |
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| 05:45.29 | starZ | TheSarge: thx!! |
| 05:45.30 | gnarface | TheSarge: the ones that have "CD#" in the name are the stand-alone CD sets. you don't need those unless you're installing somewhere that won't have a network connection |
| 05:46.01 | starZ | jpnix: thx you to :)) |
| 05:46.41 | TheSarge | gnarface: All I want is a torrent for the net install... |
| 05:46.50 | jeep | gnarface: do you know how much of the system is contained on dvd1 i need to do a install with slow internets so i cant use netinstall |
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| 05:47.27 | gnarface | jeep: should be enough for a full desktop |
| 05:47.38 | jpinx | jeep: fwiw I did an install using the business-card netinstall on a usb stick all over grps ;) |
| 05:47.40 | TheSarge | I just need either a regular 700MB install cd or the net install. amd64 |
| 05:47.50 | TheSarge | What file do i want from that mirror? |
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| 05:48.17 | jeep | jpinx: im in a hotel slow speed and random disconnects |
| 05:48.20 | gnarface | TheSarge: i've told you several times. You're waiting for a second opinion from someone else here? |
| 05:48.40 | gnarface | TheSarge: you get that the point of the netinstall is so you don't need torrents, right? |
| 05:48.49 | TheSarge | gnarface: OMFG.. |
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| 05:48.56 | TheSarge | Is english your second language? |
| 05:49.01 | TheSarge | Forget it |
| 05:49.07 | TheSarge | I'll figure it out. |
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| 05:49.11 | jpinx | jeep: yea - that'll work ;) |
| 05:49.15 | gnarface | snorts |
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| 05:49.28 | TheSarge | You haven't told me anything I have asked, or even understood my questions. |
| 05:49.33 | jyc_ | my desktop running debian squeeze started acting strange (some keys not working, mouse buttons switched around) |
| 05:49.44 | jpinx | TheSarge: I understand that you want to torrent the business card, but honestly it's so small anyway,,,,, |
| 05:49.44 | gnarface | TheSarge: scroll back i answered ALL of them |
| 05:49.49 | jyc_ | then it rebooted, but after the GRUB menu, it said "[some number] Not responding" and just restarts itself |
| 05:49.53 | jyc_ | how can I fix this? |
| 05:49.57 | TheSarge | jpinx: No I dont need the business card |
| 05:50.01 | TheSarge | cdimage is down |
| 05:50.08 | TheSarge | I showed you the mirie I found |
| 05:50.08 | jeep | TheSarge: i saw gnarface answer everything |
| 05:50.12 | gnarface | washes his hands of TheSarge |
| 05:50.25 | jpinx | TheSarge: what do you need - I haven't been following your story ;) |
| 05:50.26 | shake | when ther are visualision problems on the server on what can it depend? |
| 05:50.45 | TheSarge | jeep: Oh really then show me where he points out the file I need from that mirror? |
| 05:51.08 | jpinx | TheSarge: mirror url please ? |
| 05:51.13 | gnarface | <gnarface> TheSarge: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 05:51.14 | TheSarge | Forget it |
| 05:51.39 | gnarface | then on the next line i said something like "TheSarge: just use this one" |
| 05:51.40 | jeep | TheSarge: right there ^^ |
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| 05:52.37 | gnarface | can't stand being called out on reading comprehension by people who obviously can't read |
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| 05:53.27 | gnarface | also is angered by being accused of being unhelpful or un-cooperative by the disobedient and hostile |
| 05:53.31 | TheSarge | 15:45:12 gnarface | TheSarge: the ones that have "CD#" in the name are the stand-alone CD sets. you don't need those |
| 05:53.36 | TheSarge | Then nothing until now |
| 05:53.41 | TheSarge | you never pasted that url to me |
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| 05:53.46 | specing | TheSarge: neverming just download the 30GB |
| 05:53.58 | TheSarge | Yea thats what i was going to do.. |
| 05:54.03 | TheSarge | I figured it out |
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| 05:54.09 | specing | through rsync |
| 05:54.15 | jpinx | is it the weekend or something ? |
| 05:54.26 | specing | jpinx: close enaugh |
| 05:54.32 | gnarface | idly wonders if he missed my replies legitimately or is just a liar |
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| 05:55.10 | specing | gnarface: Maybe he had you on ignore! |
| 05:55.17 | gnarface | hahaha |
| 05:55.49 | specing | gnarface: think about it... it all makes sense now |
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| 05:56.10 | jeep | its a full moon i think |
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| 05:56.13 | TheSarge | Seem the torrent tracker is down as well? |
| 05:56.18 | gnarface | yea its brilliant. ask a question, then /ignore and accuse them of not answering.... brilliant indeed |
| 05:56.35 | TheSarge | gnarface: Dude you didn't give me that url |
| 05:56.39 | jeep | TheSarge: welcome back |
| 05:56.53 | TheSarge | Anyways is the torrent tracker down as well as the cdimage server? |
| 05:56.53 | gnarface | TheSarge: EVERYONE here saw it except you |
| 05:56.55 | jeep | TheSarge: he was talking about another guy |
| 05:57.06 | TheSarge | gnarface: Its publicly logged channel. |
| 05:57.16 | gnarface | TheSarge: i know this |
| 05:57.21 | TheSarge | So want to go there then? |
| 05:57.37 | TheSarge | Cause you didn't paste it, until that last time. |
| 05:57.39 | gnarface | TheSarge: no i want you to shut up and just download the image i told you to download half an hour ago |
| 05:57.42 | TheSarge | Anyways Im over ir. |
| 05:57.50 | TheSarge | gnarface: Excuse me? |
| 05:57.52 | specing | TheSarge: your head is down, not the tracker |
| 05:58.06 | TheSarge | No the tracker is down, i tried 3 different torrents. |
| 05:58.10 | jeep | it happened at 22.38 according to the time stamps i see |
| 05:58.33 | specing | TheSarge: WOW! |
| 05:58.36 | jeep | TheSarge: just use the mirror at kernel.org |
| 05:58.37 | TheSarge | Yea thats the time he pointed out that he had already said it |
| 05:59.08 | jeep | TheSarge: we are all in diffrent timezones |
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| 05:59.32 | TheSarge | I am not talking about that anymore, its in the logs.. so i don't need to say anymore. |
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| 05:59.41 | gnarface | :) |
| 05:59.51 | jpinx | TheSarge: why not use debian.org ? |
| 05:59.56 | TheSarge | jeep: I have gotten torrents from 3 different mirrors.. I think the tracker is down |
| 05:59.58 | jpinx | TheSarge: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 06:00.05 | jeep | TheSarge: i am downloading the install .iso btw just started internet is working fine |
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| 06:00.34 | jeep | TheSarge: its 150mb just staright up download it |
| 06:00.43 | TheSarge | jpinx: I can get the torrent fine, but my client keeps saying torrent not found after I start it |
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| 06:01.40 | jeep | TheSarge: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso no torrent needed .. |
| 06:02.02 | TheSarge | jpinx: As I said before debian.org uses cdimage to download iso/torrents and it is down |
| 06:02.03 | gnarface | is starting to doubt TheSarge's end goal has anything to do with getting a successful debian install |
| 06:02.16 | jpinx | TheSarge: fair enough - http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-cd/ is down to me too |
| 06:02.17 | TheSarge | gnarface: Yea I am a troll you got me.. |
| 06:02.39 | TheSarge | jpinx: Yea established that before.. but apparently I am just trolling haha |
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| 06:02.47 | jeep | wonder if debian can run a megasquirt system |
| 06:03.05 | cc11rocks | !channels |
| 06:03.10 | TheSarge | Is there an Op on? gnarface is really annoying me. |
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| 06:03.34 | gnarface | TheSarge: tough |
| 06:03.44 | gnarface | TheSarge: sober up and look at the channel log tomorrow morning |
| 06:03.47 | cc11rocks | Anyone know if I can delete a patch submitted to Debian (found out it was a duplicate)? |
| 06:03.51 | jpinx | take a step back boys ;) |
| 06:04.00 | TheSarge | Dude, get over yourself.. sorry I called you out on your BS earlier but you need to quit being a troll. |
| 06:04.43 | TheSarge | gnarface: I am sober now and can see plain as day as can anyone else that you never pasted that link until then end when you were lying about sending it to me earlier |
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| 06:05.02 | TheSarge | Why are you still talking about it? |
| 06:05.09 | gnarface | TheSarge: specing even said you're wrong and he hates me more than you. |
| 06:05.30 | specing | lol |
| 06:05.34 | TheSarge | specing: well the public logs disagree? |
| 06:05.44 | TheSarge | Might want to double check |
| 06:05.47 | gnarface | but they DON't... |
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| 06:05.49 | specing | TheSarge: quit being a dick |
| 06:05.53 | TheSarge | He pasted that link one time only |
| 06:05.56 | specing | Or Im going to start being one |
| 06:06.05 | specing | And I bet you won't like that |
| 06:06.16 | TheSarge | specing: He is the one being a dick and obviously lying, not sure how I can prove it any more? |
| 06:06.30 | TheSarge | Just look at the public logs |
| 06:06.49 | specing | DOWNLOAD the FUCKING cd from A FUCKING mirror and BE DONE with it |
| 06:06.55 | TheSarge | Haha nice |
| 06:07.09 | TheSarge | I am doing what I need to do, don't worry about it |
| 06:07.19 | TheSarge | That gnarface guy needs to be banned from here for trolling |
| 06:07.23 | TheSarge | and I will see to ity |
| 06:07.25 | TheSarge | it* |
| 06:07.30 | jpinx | !ops referee needed for gnarface TheSarge and specing |
| 06:07.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jpinx complains about: referee needed for gnarface TheSarge and specing |
| 06:07.38 | TheSarge | Thanks |
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| 06:20.11 | q_ | hey. i need to setup an EC2 web+mysql server. Would this be a good partitioning scheme ? http://pastebin.com/Tf4tLkJ1 |
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| 06:22.24 | gnarface | q_: unless shell access is something private to you you may want /home and /usr on separate partitions as well |
| 06:23.25 | q_ | nope nobody will use it for anything else than serving pages |
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| 06:24.04 | specing | Why not put all the /<>/ on seperate disks? |
| 06:24.14 | q_ | maybe it's overkill and easier to just leave all on / ? |
| 06:24.16 | specing | Think about it ... it is perfectly doable |
| 06:24.49 | q_ | specing : i think That would be overkill :) |
| 06:24.53 | gnarface | specing: i'm not sure there's much of a benefit for performance or security though when it comes to stuff like /sys and /dev that don't really exist on disk and don't really take up space or change in size |
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| 06:25.02 | specing | q_: for your case ... yup |
| 06:25.13 | gnarface | but stuff users can directly fill through remote actions should definitely be quarantined |
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| 06:25.31 | jpinx | q_: if you are 100% sure that this will only ever be a server then the partitioning can be minimal |
| 06:25.37 | gnarface | q_: i wouldn't want /tmp and /var in the same partition as / if it was a web server |
| 06:25.37 | specing | gnarface: /sys and /dev are on different "disks" anyway |
| 06:25.43 | specing | gnarface: ramdisk |
| 06:26.16 | gnarface | specing: well, technically tmpfs now, but yes |
| 06:26.27 | q_ | ok but will i get better mysql performance when it's on its own disk or can i just leave it on partition on one drive ? .. |
| 06:26.34 | gnarface | specing: tmpfs is a *bit* smarter than a traditional ramdisk |
| 06:26.52 | specing | q_: that is a big server |
| 06:26.57 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.01 | jpinx | q_: if you get _rooted , partitoning will not save you ;) |
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| 06:27.30 | specing | q_: you'll get better performance if you put it on tmpfs </troll> |
| 06:27.38 | gnarface | q_: yea if you're worried about performance you may want to isolate mysql from the disk the logs are being written to |
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| 06:27.47 | q_ | yea till reboot :) |
| 06:27.51 | specing | gnarface: quite a bit, actually |
| 06:28.10 | specing | gnarface: there is zram now |
| 06:28.22 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.46 | jpinx | gnarface: cool move -- I didn't think of a data paretition just for logs,,, |
| 06:29.27 | gnarface | jpinx: most people don't need it but apache custom logging can get pretty heavy |
| 06:29.31 | specing | logging to a usb drive... cheap, no seek times, doesen't slow down the main drive... |
| 06:30.03 | jpinx | specing: unless it'sa remote machine |
| 06:30.15 | specing | ,.. hardly fails |
| 06:30.25 | specing | jpinx: with a remote usb key |
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| 06:30.55 | q_ | yea EC2 stick :) |
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| 06:31.41 | q_ | thx |
| 06:32.09 | jpinx | !next |
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| 06:39.22 | jelly-home | huh, what kind of app needs 20GB of /tmp |
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| 06:40.20 | AimHere | Use lsof and find out |
| 06:40.56 | sephii | hey there, i'm trying to get a user have a specific locale. I read the locale page on the Debian wiki and I managed to change the locale of the shell (zsh) but when I start applications on the DE, they still start with the system locale. I tried editing .profile, .bashrc, but no luck. I guess that's because the system shell is dash, but I don't know how to export default env vars in dash... any idea? |
| 06:41.21 | jelly-home | AimHere: a comment on <q_> hey. i need to setup an EC2 web+mysql server. Would this be a good partitioning scheme ? http://pastebin.com/Tf4tLkJ1 |
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| 06:42.14 | gnarface | jelly-home: php session storage defaults to /tmp. its not unheard of for each user instance to take a couple mb of space |
| 06:42.45 | AimHere | 10,000 PHP sessions? |
| 06:43.01 | gnarface | business would have to be good, certainly |
| 06:44.09 | jelly-home | 10k is not much at all, 120k visits and a 2h session |
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| 06:48.30 | gnarface | sephii: i dont' know but dash is optional - i think you can switch it back so bash runs everything. i'd be curious if that fixes your problem |
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| 06:52.35 | psiklops | good morning |
| 06:54.09 | psiklops | i recall "qcad" being a in the early Debian Repos. I am now running Squeeze. And cannot find QCad. |
| 06:54.16 | specing | PHP is a fail or a language |
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| 06:55.24 | gnarface | psiklops: yep, its not in squeeze. its in sid and wheezy though. you could backport (easier than it sounds usually) |
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| 06:57.56 | psiklops | thanks gnarface , though dpkg suggested using librecad ... anyways i go for both :-) |
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| 06:59.30 | gnarface | psiklops: librecad sounds like it will keep your soul cleaner. i have no experience with either though, sorry. |
| 07:01.42 | psiklops | gnarface, qcad it very easy to handle when coming from AutoCAD... |
| 07:02.13 | psiklops | ^it=is |
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| 07:08.40 | gnarface | god |
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| 07:08.51 | gnarface | just realized it was still the 80's when he last touched AutoCAD |
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| 07:09.25 | gnarface | hmm. or maybe 1991-1992 |
| 07:12.19 | jeep | gnarface: your age is showing! |
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| 07:12.37 | gnarface | is feeling it too |
| 07:12.44 | gnarface | needs a drink |
| 07:13.15 | ChrisH | feels more like a cup of coffee at 0900 in the morning :) |
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| 07:15.16 | gnarface | its midnight here, ChrisH |
| 07:15.31 | gnarface | hello from across the pont! |
| 07:15.36 | gnarface | s/pont/pond |
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| 07:18.55 | gnarface | woohoo |
| 07:18.57 | gnarface | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/12/09/05/1230201/amd64-surpasses-i386-as-debians-most-popular-architecture |
| 07:19.01 | gnarface | congrats amd64! |
| 07:19.22 | gnarface | coming-of-age |
| 07:19.25 | jeep | kind of cool |
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| 07:19.55 | jeep | oh the days i remebr when amd64 didnt actually exist |
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| 07:21.11 | gnarface | remember intel saying it was impossible to add 32-bit compatiblity to a 64-bit arch? then like a month later AMD put some on store shelves. i laughed and laughed |
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| 07:21.36 | jeep | yeah intel dropped the ball on that one |
| 07:21.56 | gnarface | dropped it? they tried to fucking bury it |
| 07:22.19 | gnarface | they wanted to help microsoft force everyone to buy a new copy of windows first |
| 07:22.40 | jeep | yeah intel and m$ are tight |
| 07:23.05 | jeep | all my computers i built for myself were amd just because of that |
| 07:23.33 | gnarface | i had switched over around the release of the first athlons |
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| 07:24.19 | gnarface | they still run too hot |
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| 07:24.25 | gnarface | and they're too picky about memory |
| 07:24.34 | gnarface | but i'm beyond such triviality |
| 07:24.50 | gnugr | do not confuse amd and amd64, debian is pointing 64bits and not just amd |
| 07:25.14 | gnarface | gnugr: no no, i'm aware. |
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| 07:25.45 | gnarface | gnugr: but the athlon xp 3200's they made (32-bit) were also fairly spectacular at that price point |
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| 07:26.20 | gnarface | gnugr: assuming you had one of the few motherboards that could push the frontside bus at max speed (ddr 400) |
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| 07:26.34 | gnarface | not that doing so helped the heat issues any |
| 07:27.13 | jeep | i used to heat rooms of my house with my amd boxes lol |
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| 07:27.22 | gnarface | haha /me still does |
| 07:27.33 | gnarface | and some CRTs |
| 07:28.19 | gnarface | hey is it just me or is there no way to install a winegcc package on SID amd64 concurrently with any wine package? |
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| 07:28.40 | gnarface | wonders wtf you do with winegcc and no wine |
| 07:28.57 | jeep | yeah i was using dual athlon mp cpus and a three head display between the the three crts and two amd cpus i could heat a fairly large room |
| 07:29.15 | gnarface | haha |
| 07:29.25 | gnarface | a little extra gamma radiation hurt nobody i say! |
| 07:29.43 | gnarface | blames his shitty eyesight on genetics |
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| 07:31.00 | gnarface | i remember booting my first amd64 install |
| 07:31.12 | gnarface | some opteron chip, dependency based boot |
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| 07:31.18 | gnarface | OMG so fast.jpg |
| 07:31.39 | gnarface | haha sorry i punked out there for a bit |
| 07:32.09 | gnarface | so i've been looking into this debian livecd thing |
| 07:32.29 | gnarface | it seems the approach is different - centered around cusomization *before* booting |
| 07:32.34 | jeep | wolfenstien3d bare booting a 386 so it would play without lag was the greatest! |
| 07:32.50 | gnarface | hah |
| 07:32.59 | jeep | gnarface: customizing your own installer ? |
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| 07:33.11 | gnarface | well, you can customize the livecd apparently |
| 07:33.25 | gnarface | effectively its *also* an installer |
| 07:33.36 | gnarface | i think this question was asked by someone else a few days ago but now it piqued my interest |
| 07:33.58 | jeep | but does the installer install your modifications or justy the predertimined base ssystem ? |
| 07:34.05 | gnarface | if i make a custom debian livecd then use the built-in "install-to-harddrive" link on the desktop... |
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| 07:34.11 | gnarface | jeep: my question exactly |
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| 07:34.35 | stdout | Hey guys |
| 07:34.55 | jeep | stdout: your back again ! |
| 07:35.04 | gnarface | jeep: because if it does, i could use this as a very powerful conversion force for debian. if i can do all the complicated X11 tweaking for someone and just give them a working livecd that can be turned to a real install at the click of a button... the arguments against linux evaporate rather quicly |
| 07:35.14 | gnarface | greetings stdout |
| 07:35.15 | stdout | I am, and I have my install done now :) |
| 07:35.27 | stdout | Now I am just upgrading to SID :) |
| 07:35.46 | gnarface | risky |
| 07:36.25 | stdout | I have always used the testing branch haha |
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| 07:36.44 | stdout | Still more stable than the Distro I was just using |
| 07:36.49 | gnarface | stdout: did you start already? i would advise if you're upgrading from squeeze to upgrade to testing first then to sid. skipping a release is not supported (though sometimes does work) |
| 07:37.22 | jeep | gnarface: as a desktop user/hobbyist i dont see much benifit... but in a business setting needing to setup 1,000 workstation be cool as hell setup one and then just go machine to machine replicating it |
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| 07:37.26 | gnarface | stdout: if that's what you were already doing nevermind me |
| 07:38.04 | stdout | gnarface: Ya I went straight to SID.. too late to stop now, hope it works out haha |
| 07:38.16 | gnarface | jeep: well that's what i was thinking. also i have a few friends who have Toshiba laptops that won't support the newest amd catalyst drivers in windows, so i was thinking of making some preloaded wine steam setups |
| 07:38.54 | gnarface | jeep: just cause its always fun to rub the windows user's noses in bullshit |
| 07:39.34 | stdout | gnarface: If i get screwed by going straight to SID, am I left with only the option of a reinstall? |
| 07:39.43 | gnarface | jeep: also stuff like, preconfiguring for movie playback on specific projectors that require custom modelines for optimal res and stuff.... outfitting it with a nice xmbc or mythv default boot |
| 07:39.47 | jeep | gnarface: it could actually turn into a project .. building a installer custom tailored to the computer. |
| 07:40.11 | gnarface | jeep: frankly i'm surprised that there isn't more effort behind such approaches |
| 07:40.18 | gnarface | jeep: its only a matter of time really |
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| 07:41.13 | gnarface | stdout: the only option anyone here is likely to be able to help you with, yes. honestly though if you know the package system well enough you may be able to repair it by just removing the problem packages then completing the upgrade then reinstalling them after-the-fact |
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| 07:41.49 | stdout | gnarface: So if I make it through the dist-upgrade w/o issue I am okay, and got lucky? |
| 07:42.05 | gnarface | stdout: eh, actually not necessarily. my problem has always been that the breakage never shows up immediately in such situations. you may not see any symptoms of the problem you caused until you try to do the NEXT upgrade |
| 07:42.31 | stdout | hmm |
| 07:42.39 | gnarface | stdout: but when i did that it was inconveniently right during the transition to dependency-based LSB booting, so your mileage may vary |
| 07:42.54 | jeep | gnarface: i always wondered if anybody would create a kernel tool to custom build based on the output from lspci lsusb ect. |
| 07:43.04 | gnarface | stdout: at the moment since wheezy is frozen and on the path to stable its very similar to sid right now so you may really get lucky |
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| 07:44.05 | stdout | Hope so |
| 07:44.10 | gnarface | jeep: closest thing i found to anything like that is in the kernel source somewhere i found an undocumented directory of a bunch of preconfigs for various shit never meant to run linux (palm pilots and cellphones and the like) and actually managed to make use of one.... it seems that would be just another step above that... |
| 07:44.13 | stdout | I havent used Debian since.. Potato |
| 07:44.19 | gnarface | oh wow |
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| 07:44.55 | gnarface | i think i have potato on a cd from linuxworld with some trance music |
| 07:45.03 | gnarface | what year was that |
| 07:45.47 | stdout | Maybe 2002 or so |
| 07:45.56 | stdout | Around then i switched to gentoo |
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| 07:46.50 | jeep | Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 (a.k.a. Potato) was released on August 14th, 2000 |
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| 07:47.39 | gnarface | i feel like it must have been 2002 because people were complaining already that potato was old |
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| 07:47.44 | stdout | Yea and I think it was replaced around 2003? |
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| 07:47.53 | stdout | 3 year release schedule :) |
| 07:48.20 | stdout | Oh I thought you were asking what year I was using Potato, not when it was released.. |
| 07:48.54 | jeep | i spent 2001 in rpm hell i think |
| 07:48.56 | gnarface | no i was just trying to remember when that cd was printed |
| 07:49.27 | gnarface | http://www.last.fm/music/Various+Artists/Sounds+of+Slashdot:+Mixed+by+San+%22NeTTwerk%22+Mehat |
| 07:49.31 | gnarface | there is an entry for it on last fm |
| 07:49.59 | gnarface | yea i was still using redhat back then |
| 07:50.21 | gnarface | but i'd gotten fed up with it so i'd long since just been gutting the install by rpm -e everything and manually installing from source |
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| 07:50.33 | gnarface | potato didn't have a great installer |
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| 07:50.58 | EmleyMoor | I had a job at work once with instructions to install "either RedHat or CentOS" - so I installed CentOS |
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| 07:51.53 | stdout | I hate rpm distros |
| 07:52.03 | stdout | Used Redhat once way back in the day |
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| 07:52.26 | EmleyMoor | I have done new installs of slink, potato, lenny, wheezy and possibly a few others |
| 07:52.28 | stdout | And decided right there, that I would never use a distro with RPM package managment again |
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| 07:52.31 | gnarface | i think i also went to gentoo after trying out woody and failing to grok apt-get |
| 07:52.44 | stdout | and RPM's were popular back then, I was always using alien to install RPM's on Debian |
| 07:52.49 | gnarface | but then i graduated to sarge and been happy for the most part ever since |
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| 07:53.09 | EmleyMoor | A lot of my systems came through several upgrades |
| 07:53.18 | stdout | Man, now I have to reconfigure my irssi |
| 07:53.27 | stdout | maybe I will just get weechat |
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| 07:54.00 | gnarface | i like xchat... if you're in more than a couple irc channels at once i can't imagine a better solution |
| 07:54.14 | stdout | I dont use X lol |
| 07:54.20 | stdout | Unless I have to |
| 07:54.26 | gnarface | ah well that would be a good reason |
| 07:54.32 | gnarface | (not to) |
| 07:54.35 | stdout | Yea |
| 07:54.41 | gnarface | is bitchx still in debian? |
| 07:54.51 | EmleyMoor | botcheggs? |
| 07:55.03 | jeep | the power of x is the ability to open 20 terminals ! |
| 07:55.25 | gnarface | !bitchx |
| 07:55.26 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat> for alternatives. To ignore BitchX quit messages in irssi, ask me about <literal bitchxignore>. |
| 07:55.36 | gnarface | ah |
| 07:55.39 | gnarface | dead developers |
| 07:55.43 | EmleyMoor | Searching for bitchx only reveals pork |
| 07:55.53 | gnarface | yea but its an aol client |
| 07:56.05 | gnarface | oh it also does irc |
| 07:56.06 | gnarface | huh |
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| 07:56.19 | gnarface | maybe pork is the way to go then |
| 07:56.31 | gnarface | where is that package popularity listing? |
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| 07:57.34 | gnarface | oh here it is: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 07:57.45 | gnarface | looks like ircii has more action |
| 07:57.49 | gnarface | by far |
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| 07:59.20 | emabrad | I'm having trouble getting my Epson Workforce 500 printer to work with Debian, at least when I'm in GNOME. |
| 07:59.24 | jeep | new version of bitchx in svn |
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| 08:00.57 | jeep | emabrad: so it works except if you use gnome apps ? |
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| 08:01.11 | emabrad | I read here (http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Epson/Epson-WorkForce_500) that I could use the package epson-escpr, and that it should run with that, but when I plug the printer in, even with the package installed, the status bar comes up on the bottom saying that it couldn't find a driver for the printer. |
| 08:01.41 | gnarface | emabrad: http://localhost:631/ go here |
| 08:01.45 | emabrad | And no, I'm just saying I'm using GNOME Shell right now. I doubt that has anything to do with it. |
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| 08:02.26 | gnarface | emabrad: http://localhost:631/ go here click on "administration" then "add printer" then look through the list. see if you can find yours and add it |
| 08:02.32 | jeep | i prefer my cups to be full of whiskey ! |
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| 08:03.13 | gnarface | i definitely had less trouble with lp |
| 08:03.36 | jeep | dot matrix printers are the bomb! |
| 08:03.41 | gnarface | most the problem with cups is that the documentation blows and they like to keep the important details a big secret |
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| 08:04.00 | emabrad | It tells me "forbidden". |
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| 08:04.15 | gnarface | emabrad: oh my. as root perhaps? |
| 08:04.30 | emabrad | Hmmm... |
| 08:04.31 | emabrad | Just a sec. |
| 08:04.54 | gnarface | emabrad: wait when did it tell you forbidden, when you connected right away? or did you at least get to click on the "administration" link? |
| 08:05.07 | EmleyMoor | cups definitely got worse when Apple got their hands on it |
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| 08:05.30 | gnarface | yea |
| 08:05.31 | emabrad | It did it once I tried to add a printer. |
| 08:05.48 | emabrad | And, even when I run the browser under root, it gives me that. |
| 08:06.00 | gnarface | emabrad: hmm. that doesn't sound right |
| 08:06.21 | gnarface | emabrad: which debian version again? |
| 08:06.23 | emabrad | I'm on Wheezy, if that means anything at all. |
| 08:06.34 | gnarface | it could, if cups is currently broken on wheezy |
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| 08:07.12 | emabrad | I suppose. |
| 08:07.13 | gnarface | emabrad: you said you installed a driver for it? from where did you download the driver? |
| 08:07.14 | jeep | time for sleep() night |
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| 08:07.22 | emabrad | Synaptic. |
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| 08:07.46 | gnarface | hmm |
| 08:08.10 | gnarface | emabrad: well if you got it through Synaptic that theoretically should mean you aren't missing any core cups components or related dependencies.... |
| 08:08.17 | milo_ | if i do dist-upgrade, am i able to choose what desktop environment i want (squeeze => wheezy)? |
| 08:08.54 | emabrad | That's what I figured. |
| 08:08.57 | EmleyMoor | milo_: You will be like-for-like upgraded. If you want to change, you need to do it afterwards |
| 08:09.15 | milo_ | what does that mean? |
| 08:09.38 | emabrad | milo_: You can just switch DEs at login and download them with apt-get. |
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| 08:11.03 | milo_ | facepalms |
| 08:11.05 | gnarface | emabrad: the "forbidden" part is weird though, like a permissions problem or something. i haven't seen that interface in a while... maybe you need to auth somewhere to unlock admin features? maybe its locked because you have jobs stalled in the queue? |
| 08:11.20 | milo_ | emabrad, i wanna remove gnome 3 too. |
| 08:11.58 | emabrad | milo_: sudo apt-get remove gnome |
| 08:12.12 | milo_ | ok |
| 08:12.14 | emabrad | gnarface: I doubt it, because I haven't actually tried to print anything. |
| 08:12.33 | emabrad | gnarface: The only option to print is to file. |
| 08:12.43 | gnarface | emabrad: i got nothing then. maybe pastebin dpkg -l |grep cups and dpkg -l |grep epson? |
| 08:13.20 | gnarface | emabrad: i guess make sure cups is actually running, though i would think you couldn't actually connect to that port otherwise |
| 08:13.26 | EmleyMoor | At least it's not "on fire" |
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| 08:13.42 | emabrad | Oh wow, okay. So I tried to log in as "brad", and it didn't work, but when I just did it as "root", it appears to have. |
| 08:13.45 | emabrad | Just a sec. |
| 08:14.08 | gnarface | oh? |
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| 08:14.53 | emabrad | gnarface: Now it's asking me about the specific model. |
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| 08:15.29 | gnarface | emabrad: according to my research, your model should be in the "add printer" list since like... 2005 |
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| 08:16.04 | gnarface | emabrad: go back to that "administration" button then go to "add printer" |
| 08:16.05 | emabrad | gnarface: Do I choose "CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.7" or one of the two duplicates "Epson Inkjet Printer Driver (ESC/P-R) for Linux"? |
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| 08:16.45 | gnarface | emabrad: uh... i'd say the latter, but... are there version numbers listed on the duplicate entries? that also seems weird |
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| 08:17.01 | emabrad | Both preceded by "Epson Workforce 500". |
| 08:17.20 | emabrad | The duplicate entries look completely identical. |
| 08:17.31 | emabrad | I'll choose the first one. |
| 08:17.34 | gnarface | well then you know what you have to do |
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| 08:18.17 | gnarface | emabrad: but i wonder if you also have an unpackaged version of the driver floating around. that might explain duplicate entries. in a fair world it shouldn't matter enough for you to notice one way or another though. |
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| 08:22.05 | emabrad | gnarface: Looks like it's hopefully working now. The printer's making sounds, and it shows up in the list of printers, now I just have to figure out how to make the thing work. XD |
| 08:23.08 | gnarface | emabrad: good luck |
| 08:23.18 | emabrad | Thanks for your help! I really appreciate it. |
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| 08:24.25 | gnarface | emabrad: no problem |
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| 08:28.19 | emabrad | gnarface: Well, the first time it printed only 10% of the first page, but now it looks like it's printing "Blackbody Curves and UBV Filters" just as intended. Again, thanks for the help! |
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| 08:28.53 | gnarface | !next |
| 08:28.54 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
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| 08:38.48 | linuxuz3r | hekki |
| 08:38.52 | linuxuz3r | hello |
| 08:38.55 | linuxuz3r | wassup |
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| 08:41.30 | gnarface | hi linuxuz3r got a debian question? |
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| 08:43.38 | linuxuz3r | nope thanks gnarface |
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| 08:46.42 | beboj | hi does anyone use this card under debian ? - Dell Wireless 5620 EVDO-HSPA Mobile Broadband Mini-Card |
| 08:47.21 | gnarface | beboj: you'll have better luck stating your problem directly |
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| 08:49.15 | beboj | im desperated ubuntu user with Dell Wireless 5620 EVDO-HSPA Mobile Broadband Mini-Card , tried using gobi with this tutorial - http://securit.se/en/2012/03/guide-sa-har-far-du-gobi-2000-wireless-modem-att-fungera-ubuntu-12-04/ but nothing... |
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| 08:50.30 | gnarface | beboj: fyi we can't help you with ubuntu issues, also is not generally recommended that you follow ubuntu tutorials on debian |
| 08:50.30 | beboj | lspci , lsusb don't see this , nm either |
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| 08:51.17 | ChrisH | lspci , lsusb do not see the card? Then you need to start there... first.. pastebin lspci lsusb and if possibe lshw -short |
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| 08:56.53 | beboj | http://pastebin.com/Gg0KqJs1 |
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| 08:58.02 | elektryk91 | hi, can anyone please tell where there are stored users passwords hashes on debian? |
| 08:58.37 | gnarface | elektryk91: typically /etc/shadow, sometimes /etc/password, but it could be anywhere really if they're using kerberos/ldap or other such pam extensions |
| 08:58.40 | starZ | mmm.. empathy have problems with certificates and gwibber do not add accounts.. running wheezy with openbox, all of them installed form experimental repositories.. any fix/idea?? |
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| 08:58.42 | elektryk91 | iI know that users logins and their groups with user folders are in /etc/passwd but where are the passwords? |
| 08:59.01 | elektryk91 | gnarface: i will check |
| 08:59.06 | movl | starZ: try #debian-next on OFTC |
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| 08:59.33 | starZ | movl: what is OFTC ?? |
| 08:59.39 | Sevet | another irc network |
| 08:59.45 | gnarface | beboj: looks like your kernel is missing the driver or the driver is broken; ChrisH do you concur ? |
| 08:59.47 | elektryk91 | gnarface: it was the shadow file, thanks |
| 09:00.01 | gnarface | elektryk91: no problem |
| 09:00.03 | Sevet | starZ: http://www.oftc.net/oftc/ |
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| 09:00.28 | starZ | Sevet: thx :)) |
| 09:03.07 | ChrisH | beboj: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2053590 I assume its your post :) What is the device behind: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 187c:0522 Alienware Corporation ? |
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| 09:05.34 | beboj | yes as I said Im desperated :P ChrisH good question |
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| 09:05.56 | starZ | movl: apparently you have to be invited before you can join #debian-next ?? :( |
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| 09:07.03 | ansgar | starZ: Wrong network. #-next is on OFTC. |
| 09:07.05 | ChrisH | beboj: can you pastebin the dmesg output please? or the output from /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 09:07.33 | ChrisH | gnarface: Even if the kernel is too old, I would expected to to detect the card in lsusb or lspci |
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| 09:10.22 | starZ | ansgar: euh.. i connected to oftc.. do i have to use a special command to join #-next on this server.. ?? |
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| 09:11.16 | beboj | http://pastebin.com/kJ9KVVaK - dmesg output |
| 09:11.35 | starZ | ansgar: is it something like join <network-name>/#<room> or i don't know.. ?? |
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| 09:14.14 | movl | starZ: just /join #debian-next |
| 09:14.15 | gnarface | ChrisH: me too... but maybe its like WAAY too old? or patched with some non-standard shit? |
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| 09:14.49 | gnarface | ChrisH: i'm still stuck trying to figure out if he's trying to follow ubuntu instructions on a debian system or debian instructions on an ubuntu system |
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| 09:15.15 | SpeedyG | hi. how can I make applications run using gksudo (or kdesudo) obey the same graphical settings as applications run under my normal user account (should probably modify some config file in the root's home-dir but not sure which), I'm running KDE as DM |
| 09:15.24 | ChrisH | beboj: your Ubuntu-Kernel 3.2.0-30 does not detect it... I recommend to retest with a debian testing or unstable and check if the kernel detect the Module anyhow. You are sure there is a module in? If it works on Win* you can get the DeviceIDs from there and google using them. |
| 09:17.07 | gnarface | SpeedyG: well KDE is QT-based and gksudo sounds gtk-based so you would look for the theme settings for either of those toolkits in /root/.qt* or /root/.gtk* (i think) |
| 09:17.19 | starZ | movl: euh.. not working.. freenode is answering.. how can i specify on which net to join the room ?? |
| 09:17.30 | SpeedyG | gnarface: thanks, I'll start looking (and googling) in that direction! :) |
| 09:17.46 | movl | starZ: /server irc.oftc.net, IF your client supports multinetwork |
| 09:17.55 | movl | then /join #debian-next |
| 09:18.00 | gnarface | SpeedyG: good luck. fyi i avoid KDE so the qt configs may be somewhere else |
| 09:18.22 | beboj | thx for help Chrish im gonna try with debian, it works with win |
| 09:18.45 | SpeedyG | gnarface: no worries, ive been enjoying KDE for quite a while but just wasnt aware there it stores graphical settings. :) enjoy your wm/dm ;) |
| 09:18.58 | starZ | movl: thx man!! |
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| 09:23.49 | SpeedyG | gnarface: fun things happening.. gksudo doesnt take graphical settings into account, gksu does :D |
| 09:25.01 | gnarface | SpeedyG: hmm. may be actually a bug |
| 09:25.39 | gnarface | SpeedyG: my DE is entirely GTK2-based so, ymmv |
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| 09:26.06 | gnarface | SpeedyG: but i wonder if its maybe controllable by shell variables |
| 09:26.12 | SpeedyG | gnarface: only difference I see (on the surface) is that gksu asks for a password, gksudo does not :0 |
| 09:26.37 | gnarface | SpeedyG: oh, well that part would be due to the sudoers config in /etc i would assume |
| 09:26.50 | gnarface | SpeedyG: not related to graphical toolkit theme customizations |
| 09:27.02 | gnarface | SpeedyG: (which is what i assumed was the issue at hand) |
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| 09:27.47 | SpeedyG | gnarface: your assumption is correct :) wanted a black-ish interface for xenwatch but got the default (almost gnome-looking) theme :) |
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| 09:57.10 | joshb | hi, anyone can help with ssh "permission denied" login error ? I can't login on 2 computers after installing a new Debian on both, yet on an old third I can using the same modem. Do i need to import keys with gpg ??? thx ! (just clueless) |
| 09:57.43 | intore | hi, is possible to install and use a internet key using wicd? |
| 09:58.34 | ChrisH | joshb: check ssh -v on client and check /var/log/auth.log on ssh-server... If you still have no clue pasetbin the ssh -v for start |
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| 09:58.52 | ChrisH | intore: What is an internet key? |
| 10:01.25 | joshb | ChrisH: i did try it with -vvv but nothing odd seems to come up, except "trying private key: ~/.ssh/id_dsa [\n] no such identify: ~/.ssh/id_dsa |
| 10:01.37 | joshb | ChrisH: trying that log.. |
| 10:02.24 | ChrisH | joshb: Did you copy the content from ~/.ssh/ to the new client? |
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| 10:02.54 | joshb | ChrisH: no, i did really nothing more then install a new system and try to connect using ssh to a remote |
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| 10:05.18 | joshb | ChrisH: /var/log/auth.log does not add new entries when failing to log in using ssh |
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| 10:06.17 | gnarface | joshb: uh... odd. it should (although a standard syslog config includes ignoring repeated concurrent messages, fyi) |
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| 10:06.32 | ChrisH | joshb: If its the same user you can either copy the previous used keys to the new installation or create new keys... I prefer copy |
| 10:06.57 | joshb | gnarface: i think it just did, after the program ended... something about 'unregistered authentication Agent for session ....." |
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| 10:07.57 | gnarface | joshb: weird sounds like some sort of broken keyring or something |
| 10:08.14 | gnarface | joshb: are you running some sort of ssh agent? |
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| 10:08.21 | joshb | ChrisH: oh ok, so i would need to copy the old ~/.ssh/known_hosts to the new machines ? |
| 10:08.23 | themill | seeing real output in a pastebin would be nice |
| 10:08.41 | gnarface | yea paste.debian.net please |
| 10:08.43 | ChrisH | joshb: BEfore copying, please pastebin ssh -v and ls -l ~/.ssh |
| 10:08.49 | joshb | gnarface: i wondered about keys too |
| 10:09.03 | joshb | oh ok pastebin ... one second |
| 10:09.03 | pierpier | joshb: often errors with wrong perms on ~/.ssh : chmod 700 ~/.ssh |
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| 10:09.24 | joshb | pierpier: yeah i saw ppl saying that on forums but it seems ok here |
| 10:10.27 | joshb | ChrisH: i have a .ssh/known_hosts which contains some code strings |
| 10:10.47 | ChrisH | .ssh/known_hosts is not relevant here |
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| 10:12.44 | joshb | paste.debian.net/188208 the auth.log |
| 10:13.43 | gnarface | ugh |
| 10:13.45 | gnarface | gnome |
| 10:13.50 | gnarface | overcomplicating everything as usual |
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| 10:14.45 | themill | is this auth.log from the machine that is the ssh client or the ssh server? |
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| 10:15.01 | bastomat2000xl | Hi |
| 10:15.17 | joshb | themill: ssh client |
| 10:15.29 | joshb | i'll pastbin the client -vvv output now |
| 10:15.46 | intore | ChrisH, is a usb key useful to connect on internet. i think you're kidding |
| 10:15.55 | bastomat2000xl | Ned help by setting up debian server without peripherals. Just got an usb stick |
| 10:16.08 | ChrisH | joshb: To make more easier... pasetbin all into one and put some comments around. |
| 10:16.19 | themill | joshb: auth.log on the client side is not useful. auth.log on server side might be. Also "/msg dpkg ssh debug" |
| 10:16.32 | joshb | paste.debian.net/188209 ssh -vvv output |
| 10:16.53 | joshb | oh ok but i don't think i can access the server log auth.log |
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| 10:17.53 | ChrisH | intore: I was not kidding, I never heard that word before. Here they are refered as UMTS Stick.... Netwoik Manager is excpected to handle these sticks. Most times firmware is the main issue. Attach the stick, check lsusb and google for debian USB IDs |
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| 10:19.32 | intore | mmm, Network manager gives me problem with my wifi network card. wicd is not good? |
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| 10:19.47 | gnarface | intore: network manager is not good |
| 10:20.04 | ChrisH | intore: then add wicd to your google search term... I do not know wicd |
| 10:20.06 | intore | gnarface, i know |
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| 10:21.06 | ChrisH | agrees on Netwrok Manager.... at home I use NFS Home, NIS and cannot login because my $HOME is not mounted and I cannot configure the Network as I cannot login :) |
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| 10:25.38 | themill | ChrisH: n-m is designed for simple setups that 99.9% of people use. Not everyone is in that 99.9%, surprisingly... That said, if you need a system-wide network setup, then you should configure n-m to do a system-wide network connection rather than per-user. |
| 10:26.02 | enlightified | question, I want to install codeblock(unstable) but It wants to change libwxbase2.8-0 to unstable. audacity uses libwxbase2.8-0 stable so I don't really want to upgrade that. What would friends here propose? |
| 10:26.37 | joshb | themill: "/msg dpkg ssh debug" ? sorry did not figure out what you meant |
| 10:26.38 | gnarface | enlightified: a full backup or a spare machine |
| 10:26.55 | themill | dpkg: tell joshb about ssh debug |
| 10:26.56 | joshb | paste.debian.net/188212 (combination) |
| 10:27.05 | enlightified | oh, that would be a bit harsh. |
| 10:27.31 | gnarface | enlightified: devoted prayer may also work |
| 10:27.44 | gnarface | enlightified: (not supported though) |
| 10:28.00 | themill | enlightified: don't mix releases like that. You could upgrade to wheezy or try a sid chroot on your squeeze machine. (schroot works well) |
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| 10:28.12 | enlightified | To which deity would I have to pray to. steve or linux? |
| 10:28.13 | joshb | themill: ok i see it |
| 10:28.52 | gnarface | enlightified: i think if its down to that you pray to anyone that will answer. themill's chroot tip may be worth trying first |
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| 10:29.22 | enlightified | yes I would thing schroot would help. I could use it for any other stuff that needs sid packages. |
| 10:29.55 | enlightified | let me check schroot and see the logical way of using it ... |
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| 10:30.28 | joshb | themill: sadly i have no root access on the remote, it gave permission denied for '/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 222' on a file in /etc/ssh |
| 10:30.45 | joshb | *2222 |
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| 10:32.30 | enlightified | *Linus BTW. Also Steve may be able to do more now that his soul is free, but I'd think he only answers app prays. |
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| 10:34.06 | gnarface | personally i'm a fan of linux-vservers but they're being ditched as a native component after squeeze (a shame, really) and like with chrooting, there is still the possiblity that the stable kernel will be too different from your unstable chroot to be able to use it properly |
| 10:34.38 | gnarface | a backported sid kernel in a squeeze parent host may fix the problem though, for the time being (maybe 6 months to a year max) |
| 10:35.41 | gnarface | i'm sure steve will do his best to answer any prayers from registered Apple customers |
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| 10:36.51 | enlightified | ty! I'll ask my gf to do the pray as I use android. |
| 10:37.00 | gnarface | haha |
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| 10:37.32 | jeredepp | hello everyone, i have the following command "mysqlbinlog --database db mysql-bin.* | awk '/logging/,/;/' | awk '/truncate/,/;/{next}{print}' > /home/user/binoutput.sql" now i have the problem that sometimes the ; is missing, how can i insert a semicolon after every first awk? |
| 10:37.52 | gnarface | enlightified: dual-booting is always an option too, though obviously cumbersome if you have to switch back+forth alot during standard use |
| 10:38.25 | enlightified | yes, thank you. If I were to dual boot, Id use virtual box instead. |
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| 10:39.02 | jeredepp | facepalms |
| 10:39.11 | jeredepp | forget it, i'm stupid |
| 10:40.08 | gnarface | jeredepp: maybe not relevant but you know that replication is a standar feature as of mysql 5.0 (at lastest) right? |
| 10:40.34 | afuentes | what tells login to read /etc/pam.d/login? |
| 10:40.53 | gnarface | afuentes: pam |
| 10:41.01 | enlightified | I am checking out schroot, as described here: |
| 10:41.01 | enlightified | http://sourceforge.net/p/opycua/wiki/Schroot/ |
| 10:41.01 | enlightified | Just one thing I don't like to have the chroot directory in my home, is it wrong to have a /sidchroot? |
| 10:41.17 | jeredepp | gnarface: yes but it's more a cause of innodb recovery from binlog |
| 10:41.52 | enlightified | Is there something horribly wrong with messing with the root directory or can it be done sensibly? |
| 10:41.55 | gnarface | jeredepp: yea sorry i just wasn't sure what you'd be doing with binlog other than replication |
| 10:42.03 | joshb | (ssh problem) i copied the ~/.ssh/* from the working machine to the new but the same result |
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| 10:42.43 | gnarface | enlightified: no its more just to avoid crowding the namespace. if you pick a unique enough directory name i doubt it will matter |
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| 10:43.42 | enlightified | ty. yeah I think that would be the better option. The sid won't then rely on my account and I'd be able to use it from other accounts also. |
| 10:43.54 | afuentes | gnarface, how libpam knows logins should read /etc/pam.d/login? |
| 10:44.09 | afuentes | logins= login |
| 10:44.23 | gnarface | afuentes: magic |
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| 10:44.46 | gnarface | afuentes: sorry, that was rude. what i meant was "fuck if i know" |
| 10:44.54 | afuentes | that what what i though first :/ |
| 10:45.03 | afuentes | pretty much all this is the product of magic |
| 10:45.22 | gnarface | afuentes: here's what i do know: all the config files in /etc/pam.d are the pam config files. pam is a core component of linux authentication and pretty much everything else is an extension on top of it. |
| 10:45.43 | afuentes | yup, i know that :S |
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| 10:45.55 | themill | enlightified: I typically use /srv/chroots/sid or similar for such things. Some use /var/chroots/ or other things within that hierarchy. A convenience script to call schroot and run a command is worthwhile. (note that schroot is packaged for debian) |
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| 10:46.08 | afuentes | its just /etc/pam.d/login does not seem to be hardcoded in anyway in login |
| 10:46.25 | afuentes | so its not passed as parameter to pam |
| 10:46.32 | afuentes | u.u |
| 10:46.32 | ChrisH | joshb: Sorry, was busy with other stuff... from the pasting I see debug1: identity file /home/joshb/.ssh/id_rsa type -1 for all ssh-kys... There are no ssh kys from your pastbin... and the ls -la ~/.ssh is missing from both sides... Mayby you simply compare these directories on both client systems, |
| 10:46.46 | gnarface | afuentes: i assume at some level login must interact with the kernel but its really above my head right now. pam is on my list of things to learn better. |
| 10:47.06 | afuentes | i have to make some modifications and thats what im doing right now xD |
| 10:47.27 | ansgar | afuentes: retcode = pam_start ("login", username, &conv, &pamh); |
| 10:47.29 | gnarface | just plugging slapd into it was about all i could muster |
| 10:47.40 | ansgar | afuentes: You have a strange login source? |
| 10:48.25 | joshb | ChrisH: that's ok i can wait, kind of you to want to help. yes those files just don't seem to exist on either installation; they both (working and non-working) only contain ~/.ssh/known_hosts nothing else |
| 10:49.39 | ChrisH | joshb: You mentioned a system still working.. There must be these keys |
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| 10:50.09 | joshb | ChrisH: ls -a ~/.ssh -> . .. known_hosts |
| 10:50.17 | joshb | on the working one |
| 10:50.50 | joshb | there is a ~/.gnupg directory with some files in it, but not ~/.ssh |
| 10:52.41 | joshb | grabs coffee :) |
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| 10:52.46 | ChrisH | joshb: I am starting to get lost, too... can you pastebin a working ssh -vv session? |
| 10:52.56 | joshb | ah good idea, sure |
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| 10:53.52 | afuentes | u.u thank you ansgar i totally missed that |
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| 10:57.38 | joshb | ChrisH: paste.debian.net/188215 |
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| 11:04.13 | colo-work | which (probably samba-related) Debian package holds the "net"- or "rpcclient"-binaries to interact with windows machines over the network? |
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| 11:04.54 | colo-work | hmmm, apparently smbclient... |
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| 11:07.00 | ChrisH | joshb: the working one has no keys I can see. It's a plain password login. And the same plain PW based login fails on the other one. IF possible ask the remote side admin. compare Lines 77-80 working with 95-101 from the non-working one. AND the username is different: awusclnl vs. awusclcn |
| 11:08.01 | joshb | ChrisH: oh no the loginname is different ... |
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| 11:09.37 | joshb | ChrisH: it works ! wow that was stupid of me : ( |
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| 11:10.39 | joshb | ChrisH: thanks much ChrisH, awesome =) -- sorry for missing that |
| 11:10.41 | ChrisH | joshb: puh... that happens from time to time... You need someone else to see this kind of typo |
| 11:11.12 | joshb | ChrisH: it's some kind of a login-name they gave me, seems itself a bit like a password |
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| 11:11.55 | joshb | yep, got it exactly the same wrong on both machines, both type-copied |
| 11:12.41 | joshb | both login just fine now |
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| 11:13.00 | ChrisH | joshb: fine... then I will now have lunch |
| 11:13.02 | joshb | mucho thankies |
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| 11:21.45 | Fudge | hi cant seem to find speakup or speakup-source for the raspberry arm |
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| 11:30.20 | mattalexx | Lately my flash plugin in Squeeze has been screwing up in Gnome/Chrome. No sound today, but lately it's been locking up the browser tab. If I switch tabs, and switch back, that sometimes works. I can't seem to find much on Google. Anyone know of a fix? |
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| 11:33.38 | Fudge | like this |
| 11:33.40 | Fudge | espeak hello |
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| 11:35.05 | colo-work | nope, wrong. it's in samba-common-bin |
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| 11:37.27 | n_np | Hello, my nic connects to my network, establishes that its 100 full dublex and rx tx flow control is on, then it just goes down again directly |
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| 11:39.29 | n_np | abrotman are you here? |
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| 11:46.13 | jeredepp | how can i add a char after every line with awk? |
| 11:46.52 | jeredepp | so that "bla" becomes "bla;" |
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| 11:48.05 | ChrisH | jeredepp: My suugestion is sed: echo "bla bla blubb" | sed -s -r "s/(.*)$/\1;/g" |
| 11:48.12 | bootc | afternoon all - strange PAM/su problem here |
| 11:48.32 | bootc | I can ssh to a server as root, but if I login as non-root and try to su to root I get authentication denied |
| 11:49.08 | ChrisH | bootc: Login via ssh using PW or keys? |
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| 11:49.16 | bootc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.21 | bootc | ChrisH: by password |
| 11:49.47 | ChrisH | and su - with the same PW fails? sudo -i ? |
| 11:50.11 | bootc | we don't have sudo set up |
| 11:50.21 | bootc | but yes, su - with the same password fails |
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| 11:50.37 | bootc | Sep 6 12:44:03 laplace unix_chkpwd[16280]: check pass; user unknown |
| 11:50.37 | bootc | Sep 6 12:44:03 laplace unix_chkpwd[16280]: password check failed for user (root) |
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| 11:51.19 | ChrisH | bootc: does this work for different users: getent passwd USERNAME ? |
| 11:51.50 | bootc | yes |
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| 11:52.01 | bootc | there _is_ ldap auth on that server as well as local files |
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| 11:52.48 | ChrisH | bootc: puh... LDAP is not my favorite one. Is there a root in LDAP too? |
| 11:53.02 | bootc | the user I've logged-in with is a user in /etc/passwd though; no root in LDAP no |
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| 11:53.58 | bootc | I should add, other servers that appear to be configured identically do work |
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| 11:54.15 | bootc | the nss and pam configs are deployed through Puppet too, so are identical |
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| 11:55.15 | grifx | How can I put : 644 for files and 755 folders |
| 11:55.18 | tremon | bootc: /are/ identical, or /should be/ identical (I mean, did you verify that assumption) |
| 11:55.47 | bootc | tremon: I re-ran puppet manually on both the affected machine and another machine, and made sure that the files were under its control |
| 11:56.17 | ChrisH | grifx: find . -type f | xargs chmod 644 ; find . -type d | xrags chmod 755 #standard disclaimer on -exec and xargs |
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| 11:57.03 | ChrisH | grifx: I assume you see the typo in the second command |
| 11:57.18 | themill | you might want to look at chmod's X symbolic mode |
| 11:57.25 | tremon | bootc: did you visually compare /etc/nsswitch.conf, and ran getent passwd commands on both machines? |
| 11:57.26 | grifx | #standa? |
| 11:57.52 | grifx | ChrisH: I have to do the first then the second ? |
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| 11:58.15 | bootc | tremon: yes |
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| 11:58.30 | ChrisH | grifx: the first is for Files (-type f) and the seocnd for directories (-type d) |
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| 11:59.15 | grifx | ChrisH: THANKS ChrisH You are awesome |
| 11:59.28 | tremon | bootc: where does unix_chkpwd come from? is that a pam module? |
| 12:00.00 | bootc | tremon: it's in libpam-modules |
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| 12:02.44 | bootc | hmm the /etc/pam.d/common-* files are a bit different on this machine |
| 12:03.16 | abrotman | n_np: i am now |
| 12:03.19 | tremon | bootc: maybe you can try a pam group/list (#pam?), the debian default is to only use pam_unix |
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| 12:03.59 | bootc | tremon: I first need to find out why they are different :-) |
| 12:04.13 | tremon | ah true... |
| 12:04.25 | bootc | but it _is_ using pam_unix.so |
| 12:04.27 | tremon | bootc: have you compared /etc/pam.d/common-* ? |
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| 12:04.47 | tremon | or even /etc/pam.d/login, seeing as ssh logins do work |
| 12:04.54 | bootc | tremon: 13:02 < bootc> hmm the /etc/pam.d/common-* files are a bit different on this machine |
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| 12:05.06 | tremon | sry, missed that |
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| 12:05.31 | n_np | abrotman i have a problem, my dhcp connection is established but dropped directly afterwards |
| 12:05.38 | n_np | its wireless lan |
| 12:05.43 | n_np | broadcom card |
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| 12:06.14 | n_np | the ubuntu guys are too clueless to ask |
| 12:06.25 | abrotman | n_np: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 12:06.37 | n_np | let me check |
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| 12:07.12 | n_np | 3.2.0-29-generic-pae |
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| 12:07.24 | n_np | i think something might be cut off on the left, the screen doesnt work so well |
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| 12:07.46 | bootc | tremon / ChrisH: thanks for your help, the ball is now in my court... :-) |
| 12:07.53 | abrotman | n_np: ask #ubuntu or ##linux .. we don't support Ubuntu here |
| 12:08.09 | n_np | i tried man |
| 12:08.18 | abrotman | then install Debian |
| 12:08.20 | n_np | i thought maybe its a problem a man like you would know about |
| 12:08.28 | n_np | i will |
| 12:08.32 | n_np | if this carries on |
| 12:08.36 | tremon | ... or try a debian livecd and ask again :) |
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| 12:08.56 | n_np | but what's your best guess, a driver issue? or bug in their dist? |
| 12:09.10 | abrotman | this is NOT #ubuntu, end of discussion |
| 12:09.22 | n_np | sorry guy didnt want to waste your time |
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| 12:10.06 | n_np | abrotman for the record my debian server has no issues whatsoever, its work that makes me use this |
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| 12:11.43 | symlink | are you within fair range of the router? |
| 12:11.55 | n_np | its right next to it |
| 12:12.00 | jeredepp | How do i remove all (unix) linebreak in this statement "awk '/logging/,/;/'" ? something like awk '/logging/,/;/{remove'\n'}' |
| 12:12.01 | symlink | being on the edge of your router's range can cause this |
| 12:12.10 | symlink | perhaps it's too close? |
| 12:12.13 | n_np | hmm |
| 12:12.17 | abrotman | symlink: this is NOT #ubuntu |
| 12:12.17 | n_np | well its a wired connection |
| 12:12.18 | symlink | being too close to it can cause problems too |
| 12:12.27 | abrotman | symlink: if you want to help him, go to #ubuntu |
| 12:12.40 | symlink | it's a general networking question, distro's have nothing to do with this |
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| 12:12.57 | abrotman | symlink: he's asking about an Ubuntu problem, go to #ubuntu to help him, thank you |
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| 12:14.29 | tremon | jeredepp: hard to do with line-based processing. both awk and sed need some wizardry to join lines |
| 12:14.43 | tremon | it's doable, but google and/or #bash will probably be of more help |
| 12:15.25 | jeredepp | tremon: thx i just joined awk, maybe they are the wizards i need |
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| 12:16.10 | jeredepp | regex just make my head explode |
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| 12:22.00 | jeredepp | tremon: here's the solution awk '/logging/{ORS=""} !ORS && /;/{ORS="\n"}{print}' |
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| 12:22.18 | jeredepp | they are wizards |
| 12:22.32 | tremon | pfah... wizardry isn't what it used to be ;) |
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| 12:22.59 | oggei | yo |
| 12:24.09 | themill | jeredepp: at some stage, it's better to do it in perl... |
| 12:24.35 | abrotman | jeredepp: sed can do this also IIRC |
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| 12:25.41 | jeredepp | themill: yeah but that would require to get deep into perl, at least much deeper than what i understand |
| 12:26.18 | jeredepp | abrotman: i'm also using this in my oneliner |
| 12:26.25 | themill | jeredepp: I'd rather try to understand perl than that awk :( |
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| 12:27.57 | jeredepp | But if anybody ever needs to recover a single table and just wants the inserts of said table, here's a possible solution, of course don't forget to add --start-position and --end-position |
| 12:27.58 | jeredepp | mysqlbinlog --database dbname mysql-bin.* | awk '/logging/{ORS=""} !ORS && /;/{ORS="\n"}{print}' | awk '/logging/,/;/' | awk '/truncate/,/;/{next}{print}' | grep -v '/*!*/;' | sed -s -r "s/(.*)$/\1;/g" > /home/user/binoutput.sql |
| 12:28.05 | bizhanMona | I am looking for a minimalist debian for an embedded project (X86). Any pointer please .....? |
| 12:28.52 | tremon | bizhanMona: emdebian? |
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| 12:29.22 | luftikuss | I followed http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en and obtained: "I: Base system installed successfully." Section D.3.4.1. "Create device files" argues: "which method you should use depends on the host system you are using for the installation." My host system is Ubuntu 11.10. I intend making a kernel similar to Ubuntu's. How should I create device files now? |
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| 12:29.36 | tremon | jeredepp: you should consider putting that in an awk source file, for future usage and reference |
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| 12:30.33 | oggei | i suspect sed -s -r "s/(.*)$/\1;/g" === sed 's/$/;/' |
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| 12:32.07 | jeredepp | tremon: i will |
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| 12:33.51 | tremon | luftikuss: bullet #3 (bind-mount) is what debian will use too, and ubuntu is sufficiently similar (/me ducks). You can use the other options if you are paranoid about tainting your debian chroot, but I don't see a reason why it would break anything |
| 12:33.57 | jeredepp | oggei: insert semicolon at end of every line |
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| 12:34.55 | oggei | jeredepp: i suspect sed 's/$/;/' will suffice for doing that, much more readable |
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| 12:35.32 | oggei | just a couple of unasked cents :P |
| 12:35.39 | tremon | oggei: except that (.*)$ will not match empty lines, and $ will |
| 12:36.06 | tremon | other than that, their effect is the same |
| 12:36.33 | oggei | tremon: nope |
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| 12:36.55 | oggei | you have to use .+ |
| 12:37.22 | tremon | ah, you're right |
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| 12:39.57 | luftikuss | tremon: This reads mutatis mutandis: "bind mount /dev from the Ubuntu system on top of /dev in the target Debian system." What does the "bind" here mean? 'man bind': "Bind a name to a socket". Or should I rather issue a mount command? |
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| 12:40.31 | tremon | luftikuss: mount -o bind <orig> <new> |
| 12:40.52 | tremon | e.g. mount -o bind /dev /chroot/dev |
| 12:41.31 | tremon | you want man mount, not man bind :) |
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| 12:42.04 | alek66 | Hi anybody can help me booting from a HHD iso (PC: no usb boot, no cd, no floppy, win installed and grub installed) |
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| 12:44.14 | ChrisH | alek66: I have no idea, but where is the ISO? |
| 12:44.26 | Iridos | huh, why shouldn't (.*)$ match empty lines? |
| 12:44.37 | Iridos | oh, you're already through that :) |
| 12:45.00 | tremon | waves |
| 12:45.05 | alek66 | ChrisH: I have 30gb parted in 15gb for the win partition and 15gb unallocated, I dont know If I need to make a new partition just for the iso |
| 12:45.09 | Desproges | Hi all, I made a big mistake : I'm a beginner debian squeeze user, and wanted to test gnome3, I followed a tutorial to install it ( by using sid and experimental), and all the gnome thing is broken. I hardly tryed to restore everything, but gnome still not working (I m currently using xfce). |
| 12:45.35 | Desproges | How can I fix that ? Which package should I install ? |
| 12:45.41 | pierpier | Desproges: try wmii :D |
| 12:46.31 | Iridos | duh... |
| 12:47.07 | Desproges | maybe later, but for now I want to get back gnome. in my init.d there is still gdm and gdm3, but i removed gdm3 |
| 12:47.09 | Iridos | dpkg, tell Desproges about bobbitt |
| 12:47.22 | tremon | Desproges: downgrading packages isn't trivial and not officially supported, especially not for something as an entire desktop environment. I think you have two options, 1) reinstall squeeze, 2) dist-upgrade to wheezy and try to fix gnome3 there. Usual caveats about using pre-release software apply |
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| 12:47.55 | Desproges | I already removed all gnome3 related thing |
| 12:47.58 | Iridos | yeah, indeed... was just going to say reinstalling is probably a lot faster than trying to fix the mess |
| 12:48.15 | Desproges | I will be fine with the gnome from normal package |
| 12:48.36 | Desproges | and later I will try xmonad |
| 12:48.47 | Iridos | the problem is that the packages from testing/unstable you installed pulled in further packages from testing/unstable that they depend on |
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| 12:49.03 | ChrisH | alek66: I still do not understand what you are trying to do. Install Debian or boot an existing debian on a system without USB Boot and no CDRom? |
| 12:49.03 | aguitel | is e4rat the right way to make faster boot ? |
| 12:49.04 | Desproges | no, everything from the testing/unstable has been removed |
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| 12:49.13 | Desproges | all dependencies are now solved |
| 12:49.38 | Desproges | I think I just need to now what packages I should install to get back gnome |
| 12:49.56 | Desproges | it seems apt-get install gnome is not the good one |
| 12:50.11 | tremon | Desproges: then all you need to do is remove all configuration related to gnome3 (in /etc, ~/.gnome and ~/.local) and reinstall gnome-desktop-environment |
| 12:50.19 | boudiccas | Desproges: if you're sources are all squeeze then sudo apt-get install gnome will start you off |
| 12:50.35 | abrotman | there are probably a crap top of libraries that gbnome depends on that were upgraded and are incompatibile with gnome2 |
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| 12:51.32 | Desproges | thanks you |
| 12:51.54 | Desproges | oh, one more thing (really important for me), how to change the keyboard layout from terminal ? |
| 12:52.29 | tremon | from memory, it's dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 12:57.39 | Desproges | I just found, loadkeys tremon |
| 12:59.04 | alek66 | ChrisH: I want to install debian on my computer (which has no usb boot, no cd and no floppy) and fully erase Win |
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| 12:59.30 | aguitel | is e4rat the right way to make faster boot ? |
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| 13:00.08 | luftikuss | tremon: So I should issue the command '~$ sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev ? |
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| 13:01.29 | alek66 | ChrisH: I have installed grub4dos in order to have a way to boot the iso, but I am having a hardtime making it work |
| 13:03.06 | pierpier | Desproges: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 13:03.36 | pierpier | if you wish it to be définitif |
| 13:04.07 | Desproges | thanks a lot pierpier that's what I used to use |
| 13:04.13 | ChrisH | alek66: OK,google 'use grub to boot iso' gets some ideas.. How did you copy the ISO onto the Disk? |
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| 13:05.45 | alek66 | ChrisH: yes, and yes... I googled, but could boot the iso and when the installation starts keeps looking for a cd roms for the packages. I had some doubt regarding what parameter to use on grub and wheater I should place the iso in a different separate partition |
| 13:05.53 | themill | !win32-loader.exe |
| 13:05.54 | dpkg | http://http.debian.net/debian/tools/win32-loader/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system. It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supports the GNU/kFreeBSD and GNU/Hurd Debian-Installer flavours as of version 0.7.4. |
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| 13:07.07 | Desproges | (and btw thanks Iridos for the bobbitt story |
| 13:07.08 | Desproges | ) |
| 13:07.19 | Iridos | :D |
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| 13:09.22 | Iridos | ooh, and I thought ... |
| 13:09.27 | Iridos | dpkg, goodbye microsoft |
| 13:09.28 | dpkg | [win32-loader] "Debian-Installer Loader" is a method of transferring Debian-Installer to a system running Microsoft Windows, which can then be restarted to install Debian. To install using CD/DVD or USB, ask me about <setup.exe>. To install from the Internet (or local Debian mirror), ask me about <win32-loader.exe>. See also <install guide>, <d-i>. |
| 13:09.37 | Iridos | specially after how he phrased the question! |
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| 13:13.07 | Desproges | And I'm back again with gnome :) "apt-get install gnome" did the job, I didn't even removed ~/.gnome ! (before I already made it, but was stuck with the other dependancies). Now I just need to figure out how to restore my display parameters, but I think I will find myself, thanks again :) |
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| 13:17.44 | mattalexx | Lately my flash plugin in Squeeze has been screwing up in Gnome/Chrome. No sound today, but lately it's been locking up the browser tab. If I switch tabs, and switch back, that sometimes works. I can't seem to find much on Google. Anyone know of a fix? |
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| 13:18.17 | as001 | hi how can I check available file descriptors on my Squeeze machine ? |
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| 13:18.29 | as001 | How can I set it to 65536 ? |
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| 13:20.17 | alek66 | Bye everybody1 |
| 13:20.43 | ChrisH | as001: man ulimit |
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| 13:21.01 | as001 | No manual entry for ulimit |
| 13:21.06 | as001 | I already checked that |
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| 13:21.44 | tremon | man limits.conf |
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| 13:22.04 | oggei | ulimit is a builtin, you have to do help ulimit |
| 13:22.15 | oggei | (bash builtin) |
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| 13:30.35 | as001 | ok thanks |
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| 13:35.50 | gschwepp | Hello. I got a new installation of Debian Squeeze on my vserver and when i try to run screen i get the "Sorry could not find pty" error message. I googled the error but there is no proper answer for my problem. All rights are correct. Any clues? |
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| 13:36.21 | kwork | gschwepp: that hapens when you try to run screen while you have sudot before |
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| 13:37.17 | gschwepp | kwork: if i dont sudo before the error wont occur? o0 What kind of miracle is that :D *try* |
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| 13:38.00 | gschwepp | kwork: no. i make a new ssh connection to my vserver and get still the same error |
| 13:38.15 | kwork | okey then i have no ideas |
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| 13:41.57 | gschwepp | ty kwork |
| 13:42.20 | kwork | gschwepp: figured it out ? |
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| 13:44.45 | gschwepp | no. Some say its a mounting problem. But they are already mounted. some say its a problem with the rights. But they have the proper rights. i try reinstall screen now |
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| 13:45.24 | gschwepp | And as root it works just fine. |
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| 13:47.00 | kwork | if it works with root it's most likely perm problem |
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| 13:47.20 | gschwepp | kwork: yeah but .. what should i do ... |
| 13:47.28 | kwork | try running it with strace |
| 13:47.32 | kwork | maybe you catch the place it fails |
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| 13:49.00 | tremon | gschwepp: ptys are allocated from /dev/pts by accessing /dev/ptmx. check that ptmx is mode 666 and /dev/pts is mode 755 (at least) |
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| 13:49.39 | gschwepp | tremon: at the moment they are all 777. i try it second. |
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| 13:51.06 | tremon | the ttys themselves should not be world-accessible at all (/dev/pts/N), they should be owned by the user |
| 13:52.10 | gschwepp | ok /dev/pts/N <- seems to have a lack of file. there is only ptmx in it ... |
| 13:52.25 | tremon | let me guess... custom kernel? |
| 13:52.51 | gschwepp | tremon: i just installed the vserver from the host. Its a brand new installation. i don't know right now |
| 13:53.00 | tremon | or maybe root doesn't need pty's, not sure |
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| 13:53.17 | gschwepp | tremon: uname -r 2.6.32-042stab057.1 |
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| 13:53.39 | tremon | but if you're logged in on a terminal on that server right now, there should be at least one terminal there, hopefully /dev/pts/0, owned by root:tty |
| 13:54.02 | gschwepp | tremon: yes and owned by user tty |
| 13:54.30 | tremon | gschwepp: you just said there was only ptmx in that dir? |
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| 13:54.56 | gschwepp | yeah sry i just realized that 0 is not the size of ptmx sry. |
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| 13:55.07 | catphish_ | is it fairly easy to compile a generic (ie with a full set of loadable drivers / initrd) bleeding edge kernel for debian? |
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| 13:55.33 | gschwepp | tremon: saw it by /dev/pts/ [tab] first. then did ln -l |
| 13:55.46 | tremon | catphish_: install kernel-package, man make-kpkg. You decide if it's easy :) |
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| 13:56.19 | catphish_ | tremon: thanks, i'm reasonably familiar with building hardware-specific kernels but not generic ones |
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| 13:56.46 | catphish_ | will take a look at kernel-package |
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| 13:57.14 | catphish_ | i'm looking to build a xen system based on the latest xen and kernel i can |
| 13:57.15 | gschwepp | tremon: is this the folder where the tty should be created? and it fails? |
| 13:57.21 | tremon | gschwepp: ok, but if /dev/ptmx is world-writable and /dev/pts is world-accessible, the problem seems to be with the kernel being unable to allocate the pty itself. That sounds like a kernel bug, but you're not running a stock kernel. I'd ask your hosting provider, or whatever place your kernel came from |
| 13:57.52 | tremon | gschwepp: yes, pty's should be created in /dev/pts/ (and they are numbered 0...many) |
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| 13:58.14 | gschwepp | tremon: i just install the 32bit version and have a look if does the same. |
| 13:58.40 | tremon | catphish_: for a generic kernel, just copy /boot/config-[your kernel] to .config and do a make oldconfig menuconfig from there |
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| 13:59.18 | catphish_ | tremon: makes sense :) |
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| 13:59.47 | catphish_ | how is the initrd generated? |
| 13:59.52 | catphish_ | that's something i've never done |
| 14:00.09 | catphish_ | or will the make-kpkg handle that |
| 14:00.23 | gschwepp | tremon: thank you very much |
| 14:00.33 | tremon | initrd is generated after install (it is dependent on the target system configuration, not the kernel config) |
| 14:00.58 | tremon | if you use make-kpkg, it will produce a .deb that automatically runs update-initramfs after install |
| 14:01.21 | tremon | and if you prefer to do it manually, man update-initramfs :) |
| 14:02.07 | wZ | Hi, I'm parsing apt-get upgrade output in perl using backtics. |
| 14:02.25 | wZ | For some reason it stops on The following packages will be upgraded untill I hit the enter ? :) |
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| 14:02.42 | wZ | I'm doing -y and -o to specify some alternative sources list. |
| 14:02.57 | catphish_ | tremon: awesome, that's what i need, thanks |
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| 14:03.47 | catphish_ | tremon: does update-initramfs generate a ramfs for anything it finds in /boot? |
| 14:04.00 | catphish_ | (with an appropriate set of modules and config file) |
| 14:04.13 | catphish_ | or is it more involved that that |
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| 14:04.19 | tremon | it does if you specify -k all, but only for kernels that match the expected debian naming convention |
| 14:04.34 | catphish_ | tremon: that's what i hoped, thanks for all the help |
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| 14:28.27 | antivirys | someone help me with these conflicts can not handle the second day I read in google so much, but without success |
| 14:28.31 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/188272/ |
| 14:28.52 | antivirys | thanks in advance |
| 14:28.55 | antivirys | cheers |
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| 14:31.52 | themill | antivirys: the problem seems to be the libpaper1 postinst script. It would be nice to know why it's failing. Also, can you tell us what you're upgrading from and to here? |
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| 14:35.39 | tremon | # DEBCONF_DEBUG=1 sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpaper1.postinst --configure |
| 14:36.01 | tremon | however... apport? |
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| 14:36.32 | themill | that can be ignored... that's dpkg weirdness that no-one understands (including the developers, I believe) |
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| 14:36.52 | themill | the first error is the important one -- the rest is just resultant noise |
| 14:37.20 | tremon | yes but I didn't know debian's dpkg was apport-enabled (at least, haven't noticed it before) |
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| 14:38.52 | tremon | seems antivirys has gone back to google |
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| 14:39.39 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/188273/ |
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| 14:40.08 | tremon | grr... bah |
| 14:40.19 | frold | How much do I have to care about the mem use on my webserver: one setup use 600mb out of 2000mb (debian 6 with plesk 10.2) another setup use 1300mb out 2000mb (debian 6+webmin/virtualmin (where I havent trimmed the server).... The last setup seems quite faster then the plesk setup, but the plesk setup use less ram... Do I have to worry about the ram use in the debian+webmin setup? |
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| 14:40.51 | antivirys | Delete old but lxde desktop environment and tried to put kde but everything went successfully Dakota was not the problem with conflicts |
| 14:42.15 | ChrisH | frold: 1. are you refering to RAM usage? 2. If yes how did you collect these values? |
| 14:42.21 | antivirys | I think the problem comes from php because I was there he gave this problem |
| 14:42.30 | antivirys | ... |
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| 14:42.58 | haylo | what is the system config file that determines the default shell, like bash or zsh ? |
| 14:42.59 | frold | ChrisH: I take the bar htop gives me :S |
| 14:43.10 | tremon | great... so let's try DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/libpaper1.postinst configure 1.1.24 |
| 14:43.33 | frold | ChrisH: yes, it RAM usage we are taking about :) |
| 14:43.33 | ChrisH | frold: and what are you worried about? |
| 14:43.37 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/188274/ |
| 14:43.47 | tremon | haylo: /etc/passwd, mostly |
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| 14:44.44 | frold | ChrisH: I jsut want the fastes server.. I have a very slow server at the moment when using my vserver with plesk 10 and now I would like to change from plesk to webmin in the hope of getting a better and faster server... |
| 14:44.47 | tremon | antivirys: do you have ucf installed? |
| 14:45.07 | haylo | hmm , ok thanks tremon , so if i change it there, it will be default likely? or is there more i should do ? |
| 14:45.16 | antivirys | I have it installed ucf |
| 14:45.58 | themill | antivirys: what does "md5sum /var/lib/dpkg/info/ucf.*" say |
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| 14:46.50 | tremon | haylo: the system-wide default always is /bin/sh, in /etc/passwd you can specify the per-user shell |
| 14:47.02 | tremon | haylo: man chsh |
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| 14:47.19 | frold | Is high RAM use the same as a slow server or does it not tell anything about the servers speed? |
| 14:47.32 | antivirys | themill: md5sum: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ucf.*: No such file or directory |
| 14:47.37 | tremon | frold: high ram usage usually implies a fast server |
| 14:47.52 | themill | antivirys: can you pastebin "apt-cache policy ucf"? |
| 14:48.03 | frold | hmm makes sence in this case tremon |
| 14:48.21 | antivirys | http://paste.debian.net/188275/ |
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| 14:48.48 | ChrisH | frold: can you pastebin ps aw -o pid,rss,size,pmem,comm from both servers and mark which the faster is? |
| 14:49.11 | tremon | antivirys: I'd try to reinstall ucf, I think it's missing some file (apitude reinstall, or apt-get --reinstall install) |
| 14:49.23 | tremon | s/file/&s/ |
| 14:49.23 | themill | antivirys: the lack of all /var/lib/dpkg/info/ucf.* files worries me. You can try downloading the .deb and installing it with "aptitude download ucf; dpkg -i ucf*.deb" but I'm worried about why those files are missing. |
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| 14:49.32 | ChrisH | What is plesk and webmin? aptitude does not know them |
| 14:49.48 | gnarface | !webmin |
| 14:49.50 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 14:50.01 | themill | antivirys: Have you had any fs or hdd-related problems or errors in dmesg? (have you run an fsck recently?) |
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| 14:50.09 | tremon | !plesk |
| 14:50.10 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:50.12 | somiaj | ChrisH: both web based gui system admin tools. |
| 14:50.22 | DammitJim | should I not have a swap partition in a VM that runs in a host that has an SSD? |
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| 14:51.06 | ChrisH | is happy not knowing these two tools.... and beeing able to use vi |
| 14:51.32 | antivirys | I have no errors dmesg and fsck no problem hardware |
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| 14:52.08 | ChrisH | DammitJim: The swap is needed for the OS running inside the VM and that is independent from the HW of the Host. I do not see any connection b etween the SSD and swap inside a guest. |
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| 14:52.38 | tremon | I think he's worried about ssd wear |
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| 14:52.55 | DammitJim | yes, +1 tremon |
| 14:53.01 | gnarface | thought part of the the point of VMs was to not need their own swap |
| 14:53.07 | zak__ | how to format a complete hard drive and correct bad clusters under linux ? |
| 14:53.16 | DammitJim | I have conflicting info read online about having no swap or minimizing it or something |
| 14:53.30 | DammitJim | gnarface, I've read about that, too |
| 14:53.37 | DammitJim | maybe I should just leave it as is |
| 14:53.42 | DammitJim | and not worry about it |
| 14:54.23 | tremon | I'm not sure, there is little benefit in preventing an OS to swap out underused memory pages |
| 14:54.31 | gnarface | swap IS known to increase SSD wear but i thought they had addressed that in the firmware of most newer ones (i could be wrong) |
| 14:54.35 | oggei | zak__: mkfs, fsck |
| 14:54.52 | tremon | ... and dd, fdisk, badblocks... |
| 14:55.04 | zak__ | oggei: ? iam new to linux , and have no idea of command line :( |
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| 14:55.27 | frold | ChrisH: Here you go: http://pastebin.com/NfcD8FDx the first is slower then the second.... |
| 14:55.35 | ChrisH | gnarface,DammitJim A VM's kernel does not know its running on a virtual or real HW. And to be able to offer a memory page to a process the kernel needs to make sure he has a potential place to page it out. |
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| 14:56.01 | oggei | zak__: what have you tried for learning it ? |
| 14:56.14 | oggei | so we can start from where you left |
| 14:56.14 | gnarface | ChrisH: but certainly the host provides this to the guest right? |
| 14:56.15 | ChrisH | frold: are you sure you used the command I asked for? |
| 14:56.25 | gnarface | i guess it could depend on the VM |
| 14:56.27 | tremon | DammitJim: hopefully, if you're running VM's and are serious about it, you're using slc disks and have underpartitioned them. then I wouldn't worry about the wear |
| 14:56.49 | zak__ | has Just landed on linux :) |
| 14:57.05 | ChrisH | gnarface: no. the hosts offers the RAM . |
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| 14:57.17 | tremon | but swapping on multi-tiered storage may lead to skewed statistics (keeping swap space on ssd while you may not want it) |
| 14:57.20 | ChrisH | But what is SSD wear refering to? |
| 14:57.41 | DammitJim | tremon, I do not have slc disks... I'm going to have to do some research on that |
| 14:57.45 | gnarface | ChrisH: i guess uml and vservers work differently then; because they provide swap, but i guess that's because the guests can use the host kernel |
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| 14:58.01 | tremon | ChrisH: ssd wear is referring to the limited write cycles that flash memory can endure |
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| 14:58.12 | DammitJim | ChrisH, SSDs have a limit of how many writes you can do to them |
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| 14:59.22 | tremon | DammitJim: I wouldn't turn off swap completely, but you could expose two separate datastores to the vm's, and put swap on a non-ssd store |
| 14:59.39 | ChrisH | SSD Wear: OK. I know the fact but not this name.... |
| 14:59.56 | tremon | it's not an official title :) |
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| 15:00.17 | ChrisH | And if the RAM is sized correctly, the system will not use the swap for paging much. |
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| 15:00.46 | tremon | depends on usage. The kernel will happily swap out unused programs in favour of disk cache |
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| 15:01.55 | tremon | unused, as in: running but sleeping for a long time |
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| 15:02.23 | frold | ChrisH: Will you be affraid of a RAM use of 1300 out of 2000 if the server seems faster? |
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| 15:03.11 | ChrisH | frold: no... I would be happy the server used my expensive RAM modules instead of ignoreing them.... It even does not yet use 700MB of expensive RAM :) |
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| 15:03.22 | tremon | frold: I'm still not sure what your real question is, but if a linux server has less ram in use than its total ram, it is bored |
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| 15:04.31 | tremon | it means that its total working set (data+programs) can fit in memory, with ram to spare |
| 15:04.46 | frold | My question is simple... does high RAM usage make the system slower? Answer: seems to be NO not in this case and when there is still 700mb ram left |
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| 15:05.56 | frold | I will do a Debian Minimal install on my server and then install webmin (which you seems to hate or a dondelelcaro hates based on !webmin :) ) |
| 15:06.37 | tremon | frold: the correct answer is that ram usage has unmeasurable effect on system speed (I'm assuming you mean computational throughput, not clock speed or velocity) |
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| 15:07.54 | ChrisH | frold: Too high RAM usage makes the system slower if the kernel needs to search for unused memory pages. You will then see the load (the last 3 figures on uptime) increasing. Or in vmstat 10 the sys column below CPU will increase. |
| 15:08.04 | tremon | frold: the only connection between ram usage and system performance is when the system's current workload does not fit in ram |
| 15:08.30 | tremon | but what makes your system slow in that case is not ram usage nor swap usage, but the amount of swapping |
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| 15:09.23 | frold | I dont think my server traffic will make the system swapping..... |
| 15:09.34 | tremon | ah, and yes, what chris says is true, but then we're talking page exhaustion/memory fragmentation which shouldn't really be an issue on 64-bit systems |
| 15:09.41 | frold | tremon: and ChrisH thanks for your clear answers |
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| 15:09.54 | tremon | although I'm not 100% about the latter, chrish may know more |
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| 15:20.25 | ChrisH | I did read the Porsche book (Sun Performance and Tuning from Adrian Cockcroft, ISBN-10: 0130952494) and the previous one. The main idea are similar/the same in Linux kernel... I assume :) |
| 15:22.05 | tremon | can't tell, haven't read it :) |
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| 15:23.49 | ChrisH | needed to discuss this with customers quite often... for HPUX you can allways refer to the memory management whitepaper which can be found somewhere below /usr/contrib |
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| 15:26.49 | bitfury | morning, can I repartition a drive after install? |
| 15:27.11 | bitfury | without installing OS again |
| 15:27.22 | gnarface | not safely, but yes |
| 15:27.39 | gnarface | it would probably help you to have another harddrive on hand of equal or greater size |
| 15:28.02 | gnarface | bitfury: people use gparted a lot |
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| 15:28.50 | tremon | bitfury: if you know what you're doing, you can resize/move any partition except the one you're working from (/, or a livecd/usb) |
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| 15:29.18 | blubberdiblub | or just use a livecd, or gparted livecd/stick |
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| 15:29.47 | gnarface | the gparted live image is pretty nice, but debian has one too |
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| 15:30.06 | blubberdiblub | yup |
| 15:30.07 | ChrisH | bitfury: It is risky, if you explain why you wnat to do it and pastbin the current partition layout we might come up with a better idea. |
| 15:30.12 | tremon | (oh, and for completeness sake, / can be resized, just not moved) |
| 15:30.37 | blubberdiblub | / can be moved, unless you use lilo |
| 15:30.49 | tremon | yes, but not while you're running from it |
| 15:30.53 | blubberdiblub | true |
| 15:30.54 | tremon | you need a livecd to move / |
| 15:31.06 | blubberdiblub | well, we were suggesting livecd/stick ;) |
| 15:31.37 | tremon | yeah, well with my previous comment the livecd was optional |
| 15:31.48 | tremon | ;) |
| 15:31.54 | bitfury | great, I'll try using the live cd. thanks everyone |
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| 15:32.06 | gnarface | good luck |
| 15:33.46 | ChrisH | Maybe moving to LVM is an option to make similar actions easier in future. |
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| 15:37.37 | calzifer | hi, why does chromium not sync the addons? i'm using wheezy |
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| 15:42.43 | gnat_x | i'm trying to get consolekit working properly so that i can use startx to launch xfce. i've followed the steps in /usr/share/doc/xfce4-session/README.Debian which warns to use .xsessions. there i'm running 'exec startxfce4 --with-ck-launch'. |
| 15:42.58 | gnat_x | what's weird is that it works when i run 'startx' |
| 15:43.11 | gnat_x | but not when i run 'startx & exit' |
| 15:43.44 | jordanm | gnat_x: startx & exit will send a SIGHUP to startx |
| 15:43.50 | gnat_x | by works i mean sets the ck session to active = TRUE, allowing me to suspend/restart the machine. |
| 15:44.12 | gnat_x | jordanm: is that something new in wheezy? that worked fine in squeeze. |
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| 15:45.20 | gnat_x | i started doing that when i realized you could ctrl-c from the tty and get a working shell logged in as me. |
| 15:45.57 | gnat_x | it was away around the xscreensaver screen lock. |
| 15:46.02 | jordanm | gnat_x: that's the way job handling in interactive bash shell has always worked |
| 15:46.11 | jordanm | gnat_x: have you considered a graphical display manager? |
| 15:46.17 | gnat_x | jordanm: i have. |
| 15:46.30 | gnat_x | particularly after this has been such a headache. |
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| 15:46.47 | gnat_x | though i kind of like not having one. |
| 15:46.50 | jordanm | apt-get install gdm3 # pretty easy |
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| 15:54.51 | ^Oliver^ | /var/www belongs to www-data:www-data and is set to 0775. I am in the www-data group so I can write to that directory. I uploaded a PHP script, but the script isn't working properly because it can't write to some directories I made. Since it's a script that's going to be running in the long-term, should I make www-data:www-data own the files or simply set them to be writable by the www-data group? |
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| 15:55.22 | ^Oliver^ | By "should I make www-data:www-data own the files" I mean just chown the entire directory tree. |
| 15:57.36 | gnat_x | jordanm: btw, startx work, inasmuch as xfce starts, and the console login exits -- its whatever the consolekit piece is that defines my session as active that exits. |
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| 15:58.42 | ChrisH | ^Oliver^: Why are you asking here? Do you feel one option is worse or less secure of slower or will kill your cat? I asssume, if made correct both shpuld work. |
| 15:58.59 | ^Oliver^ | ChrisH: They both work. I just didn't know if one was considered the better option. |
| 15:59.13 | ^Oliver^ | Trying to make sure I do things "right". |
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| 16:00.19 | ChrisH | From my point of view, there is no better way. But you might consider a more secure way. I would compare both option and choose the one with more restrict permissions. |
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| 16:00.38 | gnarface | i concur. php scripts should not be allowed write access to the docroot. that's suicide |
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| 16:01.10 | gnarface | ^Oliver^: don't do it. point them at a quarantined partition and give them write access to THAT instead |
| 16:01.27 | ^Oliver^ | Right, okay. |
| 16:01.31 | ^Oliver^ | I'll look into that; thanks. |
| 16:01.35 | gnarface | good luck |
| 16:01.51 | ChrisH | gnarface: looks like you do not like PHP |
| 16:02.11 | gnarface | ChrisH: well to be honest i fucking hate it but it makes me a lot of money |
| 16:02.37 | gnarface | ChrisH: the worst part about it is simply that nobody ever wrote a PHP tutorial who knew about or even cared about security |
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| 16:03.50 | gnarface | so you end up cleaning up in the aftermath of someone chmodding the whole /var/www to 777 to fix some gallery plugin that allows anyone who understands query strings to read/delete your whole filesystem |
| 16:03.51 | ChrisH | I only used it for some internal (my familiy and me) used stuff. There I did not care about security, too. |
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| 16:05.31 | blubberdiblub | gnarface, the bad thing is, there are also a lot of forum software installation instructions that tell people to 0777, while it is perfectly possible without world write access (with some thought) |
| 16:06.14 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: yea. its brutal. they should never have ported it to windows. |
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| 16:06.33 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: (where such things are considered perfectly reasonable) |
| 16:06.49 | gnarface | then that all came spilling back into the linux community with them |
| 16:07.59 | gnarface | ^Oliver^: primarily what you're trying to avoid here is someone finding a security hole in one of your php scripts itself being able to gain write access to said php scripts. this is bad on countless levels |
| 16:08.41 | ^Oliver^ | gnarface: Yeah, I see what you mean. |
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| 16:09.44 | gnarface | ^Oliver^: in general when writing any server-side web software (not just PHP) you want to make sure the http daemon's user can read but NOT write to the php scripts, and the php scripts can only write to a designated spot nothing else reads, and that the php scripts can't read the servers's own log files. cover those bases and you're in decent shape |
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| 16:10.25 | gnarface | ^Oliver^: clarifying: cover those bases *at the filesystem level* and you're in decent shape then so long as your php scripts are secure |
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| 16:11.54 | ^Oliver^ | gnarface: Thanks again, I'll fiddle about with things now. |
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| 16:13.11 | gnarface | ^Oliver^: good luck |
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| 16:19.06 | rgr | anyone in feeling hardy enough to help me get my intel HD audio working on my new thinkpad? Ive managed to get video & wireless working after about 4 hours, now it sonly audio playing up. |
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| 16:19.45 | somiaj | !tell rgr about alsa-checklist |
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| 16:21.50 | rgr | yes, im pretty familiar with all that |
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| 16:22.50 | tremon | anyone have experience with oss4 and usb audio? The only thing I can find is a Arch reference stating that support is experimental, but it's not dated |
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| 16:23.26 | mgaunard | what's the easiest way to install debian sid? Install debian wheezy and upgrade? |
| 16:23.33 | babilen | rgr: Run "alsactl init" and see if that makes a difference |
| 16:23.38 | rgr | all checked. still not working. sigh. usual linux install merry go round ;) Was hopeful this x121e would work out of the box with debian since its all common intel cheps. Oh well;) |
| 16:23.48 | rgr | babilen: k |
| 16:23.52 | babilen | (as root) |
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| 16:24.25 | rgr | Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Intel CougarPoint HDMI" "HDA:14f1506e,17aa21ed,00100002 HDA:80862805,80860101,00100000" "0x17aa" "0x21ed" |
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| 16:24.48 | tremon | mgaunard: the official way is to install squeeze, then upgrade. But sid and wheezy are very similar, and will probably remain that way until wheezy has been released. Why do you need sid? |
| 16:24.56 | babilen | rgr: Ignore that -- Do you have sound now? (test with, say, "speaker-test -t wav") |
| 16:25.12 | mgaunard | tremon: for bleeding edge packages |
| 16:25.36 | mgaunard | tremon: hasn't testing been frozen now? |
| 16:25.37 | rgr | no |
| 16:25.44 | tremon | sid's bleeding has run dry... |
| 16:25.55 | tremon | !slushy |
| 16:25.55 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 16:26.04 | nkuttler | rgr: my x121e has a 'virtual' audio device that does nothing.. |
| 16:26.15 | rgr | nkuttler: so you have sound? |
| 16:26.26 | nkuttler | rgr: http://kuttler.eu/post/installing-debian-gnulinux-thinkpad-x121e/ |
| 16:26.29 | rgr | (also do you have awful contrast problems?) |
| 16:26.52 | nkuttler | nah, everything works pretty well for me (except for fglrx) on testing |
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| 16:27.30 | rgr | so many different hw setups on tis model. I have intel hd 3000 gfx and an intel centrino wifi, |
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| 16:27.39 | nkuttler | :\ |
| 16:28.04 | youlysses | Does the dvd image include more device drivers, specifically network (both wifi and ethernet cards)...? |
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| 16:28.15 | rgr | I found your page via google earlier and no that asound thing didnt work. This reinds me of when I first tried linux years back, |
| 16:29.13 | nkuttler | mine sas Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "ATI R6xx HDMI" "HDA:1002aa01,00aa0100,00100200" "0x1002" "0x1314" |
| 16:29.31 | nkuttler | s/sas/says |
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| 16:29.56 | rgr | is a local .asoundrc ok ok too? |
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| 16:30.23 | nkuttler | rgr: should be afaik but i've not used it |
| 16:30.45 | nkuttler | but unknown hardware from alsactl init doesn't sound very good |
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| 16:32.02 | babilen | youlysses: No it does not. For which device are you missing support? |
| 16:32.02 | rgr | this is a real downer. I really tought this would work. |
| 16:32.20 | nkuttler | rgr: dmesg | grep -i snd ? |
| 16:32.27 | babilen | nkuttler: I get an identical warning and don't have any problems on my T420 |
| 16:32.46 | nkuttler | babilen: good to hear |
| 16:33.11 | rgr | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/CNufMhGd my aplay .l |
| 16:33.22 | rgr | (getting used to new keyboard as you can see..) |
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| 16:34.04 | nkuttler | gtg |
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| 16:34.36 | Ormu | hello |
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| 16:35.48 | Ormu | I have an old thinkpad laptop running debian and I'd like to have it to shut the LCD backlight off automatically... is there a way to do it, besides xset dpms which doesn't work as it doesn't have X installed? |
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| 16:37.19 | daimrod | Ormu: iirc you can control the backlight through /sys/class/backlight/... |
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| 16:38.50 | Ormu | hmm |
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| 16:39.22 | Ormu | there's a link thinkpad_screen pointing to /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/thinkpad_screen |
| 16:39.28 | youlysses | babilen: Both my ethernet card, and a wifi card on my new box. I thought they were both fairly generic, but one (ethernet card) is a Atheros AR8161, and the other (wifi card) is a Intel Centrino Wireless-n 22003 |
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| 16:40.20 | Ormu | and that file is empty... what should I do with it? |
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| 16:40.55 | Woet | why can't I change the root password I entered during installation? |
| 16:41.04 | Woet | "go back" does not ask me for the root password again |
| 16:41.12 | babilen | youlysses: What kind of wireless network do you want to connect to? Is it encrypted? |
| 16:42.05 | babilen | ,pciid 1969:1091 |
| 16:42.06 | judd | [1969:1091] is 'AR8161 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1091 |
| 16:42.10 | babilen | youlysses: That one ^^^ ? |
| 16:42.26 | youlysses | Wpa2 with Tkip, which I'm able to do via arch by default. I don't know if they include any non-free software though... |
| 16:42.49 | youlysses | babilen: I believe so. :-/ |
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| 16:43.52 | babilen | youlysses: Ok, for your wifi you need firmware (firmware-iwlwifi) which you can either supply during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware) or by using an installer image with firmware. Could you connect via ethernet if the NIC were working? |
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| 16:45.09 | babilen | !alx |
| 16:45.09 | dpkg | alx is a Linux kernel driver in development, intended to replace <atl1c> and support Atheros AR8131, AR8132, AR8151, AR8152, AR8161 (PCI ID 1969:1091) and AR8162 (PCI ID 1969:1090) chipsets. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ethernet/alx |
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| 16:46.03 | youlysses | babilen: Oh wow, alx looks nice. :-) |
| 16:46.19 | babilen | youlysses: It looks as if your NIC is not supported in Linux *at all* right now (apart from ^^^) -- Are you sure that it works in Arch Linux? If so: Could you run "lspci -knn" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 16:46.47 | babilen | youlysses: Which version of Debian do you plan/intend to run? |
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| 16:46.57 | Ormu | oops |
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| 16:47.32 | youlysses | I'll hopefully be running testing. Also, the only thing that's currently working is just the wifi-card. |
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| 16:48.15 | JoeyJoeJo | I've compiled some software from source and now I want to make a deb file out of the binaries. How do I do that? |
| 16:48.36 | oggei | JoeyJoeJo: use checkinstall |
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| 16:49.13 | JoeyJoeJo | thanks |
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| 16:49.28 | babilen | youlysses: You need to supply firmware and you need a newer version of the debian-installer if you want to connect to WPA encrypted networks during the installation. You have two options: 1. Use the testing beta installer and provide firmware on a USB stick 2. Use kmuto's installer to install a (minimal!) stable system and upgrade that to testing |
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| 16:51.04 | sney | Joeyjoejo if you want to distribute the deb or get into packaging then you should read the nmg |
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| 16:51.18 | youlysses | babilen: Ok cool, I'll probably just grab a cd image of the b1 installer. Do I just need a clean formatted usb, to put the the firmware on? |
| 16:51.30 | JoeyJoeJo | sney: This will just be for in-house use. I don't plan on distributing it |
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| 16:53.56 | babilen | youlysses: Yeah, you would just download the firmware (http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi) and put that on a USB stick |
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| 16:55.11 | sKeiths | i have my book live, which has 5.0.4 in debian_version but has squeeze in apt\sources.list. is it lenny or squeeze? |
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| 16:56.11 | sney | Skeiths: sounds like an incomplete upgrade. What does 'apt-cache policy' say? |
| 16:56.17 | JoeyJoeJo | I made my deb file, but when I installed it, it put the binary in /usr/local/bin but I need it to be in /usr/sbin. How can I fix that? |
| 16:56.41 | sney | Joeyjoejo- that's a configure option. --prefix |
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| 16:57.01 | sKeiths | Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now Pinned packages: |
| 16:57.43 | sKeiths | i spaced the new lines so as not to paste 4 lines |
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| 17:05.02 | TheWarden | Hi, how do find out the video output names? The reason is because you require the video output name when issuing xrandr --ouput video_output_name_here |
| 17:05.47 | TheWarden | I can type xrandr and it states a VGA-1 and a DVI-D-1. Would those be the output names? |
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| 17:06.28 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yes, those are the output names |
| 17:06.29 | rgr | nkuttler: still there? Did you find a way to adjust the contrast? my x121e screen is totally washed out., |
| 17:06.35 | rgr | (sound working btw) |
| 17:06.44 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: okay, thanks. |
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| 17:07.26 | bizhanMona | Hi is it possible to have pure 64 bit debian, i.e. no multi-arch ? if so how? Thx |
| 17:07.38 | TheWarden | when issuing a xrandr command is that permanent or only for that session until the system is reboot or X is restarted? |
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| 17:08.32 | dondelelcaro | bizhanMona: if you're not using anything that is 32bit, sure. |
| 17:08.41 | dondelelcaro | bizhanMona: but there's no reason not to have multi-arch. |
| 17:08.59 | gnarface | TheWarden: depends on your definition of 'restarted' - the changes might survive a -HUP (don't know) but they won't survive it if you stop then start X again |
| 17:09.30 | gnarface | TheWarden: traditionally people customize their xorg.conf to address that. |
| 17:09.58 | TheWarden | gnarface: oh okay, that's what I figured. Thanks for the confirmation. |
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| 17:11.34 | gnarface | TheWarden: i think there are some limited exceptions though; if you're using the nvidia proprietary drivers for example there's a userland tool that can store such configs locally and be run from within the x session to re-load your setup. that might be kinda ghetto though. |
| 17:11.53 | gnarface | TheWarden: (but i believe it does work by calling xrandr) |
| 17:12.09 | carandraug | hey guys! I have problems with iceweasel (actually I have always problems with iceweasel in all my systems, 3 and counting) and decided to do something about it. How can I track down what's the problem? I had heard about stack trace but have no idea how? This is a weird problem and happens in random occasions, iceweasel just hangs for a couple of seconds |
| 17:12.23 | TheWarden | gnarface: oh okay, thanks. |
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| 17:13.58 | rgr | nvidia doesnt support xrandr i tought. |
| 17:14.03 | rgr | thought |
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| 17:14.20 | gnarface | rgr: *didn't* i think is the more current terminology. possibly still doesn't very well. |
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| 17:17.29 | z_marco | carandraug: sounds like this is more of an iceweasel problem. Perhaps check your messages file "tail -f /var/log/messages" or syslog while trying to reproduce the problem. Otherwise I recommend to go to the iceweasel channel in sand.mozilla.org #iceweasel. |
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| 17:18.22 | bizhanMona | dondelelcaro: Do you know how I can create a debian distro only 64 bit? |
| 17:19.12 | dondelelcaro | bizhanMona: what are you actually trying to do? Why are you trying to do it? |
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| 17:20.03 | carandraug | z_marco, will ask there. I can't reproduce the problem. It happens at random times can't find a pattern. It's so vague I can't report. Found a post on mailing list complaiing but they just changed to chromium |
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| 17:22.43 | pozic | How can I get the pid of all programs using bandwidth in either direction? |
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| 17:23.36 | z_marco | carandraug: If you wish to check more log files, perhaps install the package "sysstat", and should this intermittent problem occur, you will have more logs to check. Still, I recommend to to go the iceweasel channel. :-) |
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| 17:24.04 | gnarface | pozic: i think you can use netstat but i'd try iotop first |
| 17:24.24 | carandraug | z_marco, trying to. Can't connect to sand.mozilla.org |
| 17:24.41 | gnarface | pozic: scratch the iotop note, i think that's just disks |
| 17:26.36 | z_marco | carandraug: try irc.mozilla.org #iceweasel |
| 17:27.21 | greenLaptop | This for loop is not doing what I expect: http://pastebin.com/exA2UVWZ |
| 17:27.21 | carandraug | z_marco, did it. There's no channel |
| 17:27.27 | rgr | so any ways to alter contrast with intel drivers? (intel hd 3000) |
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| 17:28.07 | sney | rgr contrast is normally a monitor/acpi control |
| 17:28.11 | gnarface | rgr: most people do that either at the video playback program's level, or at the physical display level |
| 17:28.12 | rgr | greenLaptop: in the absense of a crystal ball you might need to explain what you expect |
| 17:28.29 | rgr | theres no contrast on this laptop |
| 17:28.44 | pozic | gnarface: I was more thinking of something which wouldn't display all kinds of local activity. |
| 17:28.58 | rgr | and it snought to do with video playback - its X. |
| 17:28.58 | themill | greenLaptop: what shell? |
| 17:28.59 | pozic | gnarface: nethogs is OK in principle, but it doesn't work. |
| 17:29.46 | gnarface | pozic: hmm. tcpdump and some clever bash scripts? |
| 17:29.49 | themill | greenLaptop: (hint: that {1..10} construct is bash specific and /bin/sh != /bin/bash) |
| 17:29.53 | rgr | greenLaptop: works fine in bash |
| 17:30.20 | pozic | gnarface: do you think that's also what Ubuntu tells to their enterprise customers? |
| 17:30.40 | greenLaptop | echo ${BASH_VERSION} |
| 17:30.41 | greenLaptop | 4.2.24(1)-release |
| 17:30.55 | gnarface | just about choked on his soda hearing "ubuntu" and "enterprise customers" in the same sentence seriously |
| 17:31.01 | pozic | gnarface: (I can imagine network administrator kind of people to say something like that if someone were to try to introduce Linux into the company) |
| 17:32.05 | gnarface | pozic: it was just an off-the-cuff suggestion. evoking Ubuntu is not productive here. |
| 17:32.05 | themill | greenLaptop: but you're not typing that in at your command prompt, are you? |
| 17:32.07 | z_marco | carandraug: You can try #debian-mozilla at irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:32.21 | greenLaptop | I put it in a file and ran it as a script |
| 17:32.37 | greenLaptop | sh script |
| 17:32.37 | greenLaptop | {1..10} |
| 17:32.47 | dir | greenLaptop: you are running it with sh |
| 17:32.48 | gnarface | pozic: i'm pretty sure there are better ways, i just don't know them off the top of my head.... there's a crap ton of monitoring software of all flavors and levels of intrusiveness |
| 17:32.56 | greenLaptop | how should I run it? |
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| 17:33.19 | dir | greenLaptop: try invoking it with bash instead |
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| 17:34.12 | themill | greenLaptop: as I said, /bin/sh != /bin/bash. If you want bash features, then make sure you use #!/bin/bash to invoke it |
| 17:34.39 | themill | (or "bash myscript" instead of "sh myscript" if you want to run it that way) |
| 17:34.59 | carandraug | z_marco, found it. Thank you |
| 17:35.04 | greenLaptop | that worked thanks |
| 17:35.07 | greenLaptop | I didn't know that |
| 17:35.17 | pozic | gnarface: also your Ubuntu claim is rather silly, since Google uses a slightly modified version of it. |
| 17:35.58 | bizhanMona | dondelelcaro: This is for embedded environment and I need to save as much as possible memory space. |
| 17:36.19 | gnarface | pozic: don't care. the netstat manpage may be useful to you. that seems liek the type of thing that would just require the right flags. if you want something more point-and-clicky then maybe you should have specified that |
| 17:36.32 | pozic | gnarface: netstat -p, you mean? |
| 17:36.57 | dondelelcaro | bizhanMona: then you probably don't actually want 64 bit at all. |
| 17:36.59 | pozic | gnarface: one thing I don't understand is why not every connection has some pid associated with it. |
| 17:37.09 | pozic | gnarface: how can there be connections without pids? |
| 17:37.15 | dondelelcaro | bizhanMona: because 64bit will almost always take more memory than 32bit |
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| 17:38.05 | pozic | gnarface: I don't mind things not being point and click; I do mind when output is not clear. |
| 17:38.17 | i0x71 | hey, i have a src rpm package which needs to be rebuild, how would i rebuild it on debian ? essentially it provides kernel driver for the current kernel version, i need .deb as an output |
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| 17:38.37 | bizhanMona | dondelecaro: yes we need 64 bit os due to we need to map more than 4 G and I do not want to deal with what I do not need. |
| 17:38.39 | dondelelcaro | pozic: because some connections happen in the kernel, and some are no longer connections, and in other cases, no process is actively associated with the connection |
| 17:38.39 | gnarface | pozic: an excellent questonto be sure. are you in a virtual guest of some sort? |
| 17:38.59 | dondelelcaro | bizhanMona: you still might not actually need a completely 64 bit os. You might just need parts of it to be 64 bit. |
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| 17:39.04 | gnarface | pozic: oh, listen to dondelelcaro he's smarter |
| 17:39.35 | dondelelcaro | pozic: but you'd have to provide actual output for us to say much. [or if you have already, repeating the link to it would be useful.] |
| 17:39.40 | bizhanMona | dondelelcaro: will you say more on this... |
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| 17:40.03 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I found the answer myself. |
| 17:40.11 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the answer is that I wasn't running as root. |
| 17:40.14 | dondelelcaro | bizhanMona: only the parts of the stack which need to mmap more than 4G need to be 64bit. |
| 17:40.23 | dondelelcaro | pozic: well, that's the other half, yes. |
| 17:40.32 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the program arguably should say "You must run this program as root if you want to have all output." |
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| 17:40.48 | gnarface | pozic: probably. |
| 17:40.53 | pozic | dondelelcaro: that would also be in line with other utilities that also do this. |
| 17:40.57 | gnarface | pozic: some of them just fail entirely silently |
| 17:41.12 | pozic | (and these kinds of things are the difference between an operating system and a bunch of random tools in a box) |
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| 17:42.32 | bizhanMona | dondelelacaro: so you are saying no 64bit or use multi- arch ? |
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| 17:42.46 | pozic | dondelelcaro: what does a path denoted by @ mean? |
| 17:43.38 | gnarface | bizhanMona: fyi if you install amd64 nobody is gonna force you to USE the multi-arch support. extra arches aren't even ON by default. |
| 17:43.41 | pozic | (in the output of netstat -p -e -e for example) |
| 17:44.04 | gnarface | bizhanMona: you will only get 32-bit software if you install it explicitly |
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| 17:44.22 | gnarface | bizhanMona: (or explicitly make configuration changes to allow it to be implicit) |
| 17:44.48 | bizhanMona | gnarface: good, thx for info |
| 17:45.01 | gnarface | bizhanMona: leastwise mult-arch isn't even IN squeeze yet. so you don't have to even worry about it till wheezy |
| 17:45.48 | bizhanMona | My next question, is there such thing as kickstart image for debian similiar to Redhat/Fedora...? |
| 17:46.18 | pozic | !kickstart |
| 17:46.18 | dpkg | Kickstart is an automated installation method used by Red Hat Enterprise Linux, allowing installation of large numbers of identical Linux systems. A Kickstart file can be loaded from an initrd via the 'initrd-kickseed' debian-installer udeb package. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart . See also <fai>. |
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| 17:46.42 | gnarface | bizhanMona: in debian its called pre-seeding |
| 17:46.56 | dondelelcaro | bizhanMona: yes, it's called preseeding. I actually suggest using some mixture of 32bit and 64bit. What precisely you do depends on what you're doing. |
| 17:47.41 | dondelelcaro | pozic: iirc, it means that it was connected to that socket, but the socket is no longer at that position in the filesystem. [Things which are currently connected to a socket show up like that.] |
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| 17:48.14 | bizhanMona | Hey guys, thank you so much for all your help, you guys rock. you have saved me so much time. |
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| 17:49.06 | pozic | dondelelcaro: why are sockets even related to the file system? |
| 17:49.28 | pozic | dondelelcaro: (please don't say 'because it is UNIX) |
| 17:49.42 | themill | pozic: because it's linux |
| 17:49.47 | gnarface | it is a pretty old unix convention |
| 17:50.12 | pozic | What is the technical reason for having it? |
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| 17:50.22 | pozic | Or is it just for convenience to have 'everything as a file'? |
| 17:50.25 | dondelelcaro | pozic: because you connect to a socket in a physical location on the filesystem |
| 17:50.27 | gnarface | pozic: that was just one of the fundamental tenants of the POSIX specification - its all gotta be represented as a file. that's why there's no registry too |
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| 17:50.56 | gnarface | pozic: it *is* intended to make it *easier* for you |
| 17:51.58 | pozic | But I cannot actually write to a socket by using echo hi > /foo/mysocketfile, can I? |
| 17:52.04 | gnarface | pozic: think about it. you don't need to write a whole program called 'regedit' you can just poke at bits in the existing filesystem with existing native (and quite old and reliable and well-tested) low-level tools |
| 17:52.12 | pozic | I'd have to use netcat to do that. |
| 17:52.36 | gnarface | pozic: uh... i'm not sure its quite that simple - i think you need to write data in the format that the socket is expecting but pretty much yea that DOES mean you can just pipe shit to it over stdin |
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| 17:52.55 | gnarface | pozic: don't let the power go to your head |
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| 17:53.39 | pozic | gnarface: ok, so you are saying that it is possible to communicate between two different Linux machines using only shell code and some odd line of C to open up the socket? |
| 17:53.57 | gnarface | pozic: you can do it with one COMMAND. man nc |
| 17:54.16 | pozic | gnarface: but nc is itself not shell code. |
| 17:54.34 | gnarface | pozic: the statement you made is also correct |
| 17:54.48 | pozic | gnarface: but bash cannot even write binary data. |
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| 17:55.06 | gnarface | pozic: but file pipes can pass arbitrary data, and bash can wrangle file pipes |
| 17:57.14 | jordanm | bash can write binary data, but its not pretty |
| 17:57.36 | gnarface | pozic: there's a greater truth to be discovered behind your earlier statement about the difference between operating systems and just a bunch of random tools in a box |
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| 17:58.12 | dir | pozic: haven't used it, but yes in recent bashes you can use sockets directly |
| 17:58.14 | gnarface | would take a bunch of random tools in a box any day of the week |
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| 17:58.21 | pozic | gnarface: Inferno? |
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| 17:58.36 | dmilith | I have strange question.. is it possible for some of you to upload somewhere /bin/su file for debian lenny? |
| 17:58.38 | dmilith | x64? |
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| 17:59.04 | gnarface | pozic: as in Dante's? not sure what you're getting at |
| 17:59.26 | gnarface | dmilith: should be on the archives |
| 17:59.34 | dmilith | gnarface: where? |
| 17:59.48 | dmilith | I tried to look for deb package with that |
| 17:59.53 | dmilith | but don't remember the name |
| 18:00.00 | gnarface | dmilith: http://snapshot.debian.org/ |
| 18:00.14 | JonB | hi, debian multimedia has too old gpac package. gpac provides their own 0.5.0.deb which depends on libdirectfb-1.2-0, but debian squeeze provides libdirectfb-1.2-9, While I can force it in, and it does work, every time I install another package, apt complains that it is missing dependency libdirectfb-1.2-0 |
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| 18:00.22 | dir | pozic: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/more-using-bashs-built-devtcp-file-tcpip |
| 18:00.40 | dmilith | gnarface: how to check name of package containing su command? |
| 18:01.44 | gnarface | dmilith: you can ask the judd bot here (/msg judd files [filename] i believe) or you can install and run apt-file update && apt-file search [filename] |
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| 18:01.53 | pozic | gnarface: Inferno is/was the successor of Plan 9. |
| 18:02.14 | pozic | gnarface: I think that in Plan 9, you could actually write things like that. |
| 18:02.17 | gnarface | dmilith: locally apt-file will only show you stuff in your sources.list though so you'll have to add some lenny sources from snapshots first |
| 18:02.22 | blubberdiblub | dmilith, dpkg -S $( which su ) |
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| 18:02.41 | blubberdiblub | dmilith, considering you usually should have su installed ;) |
| 18:03.03 | dmilith | I have ;] |
| 18:03.10 | dmilith | but i'm hacking my own box ;] |
| 18:03.15 | blubberdiblub | oh, you don't have it. then don't mind me |
| 18:03.18 | gnarface | pozic: for my money, the difference between that and the current state of bash in linux is nonexistent - but it sounds like even bash will soon have that feature too |
| 18:03.33 | gnarface | pozic: it probably won't be as pretty as in plan9 though. bash wasn't meant to be |
| 18:03.44 | pozic | gnarface: I probably agree on that. |
| 18:03.49 | gnarface | pozic: they wouldn't have named it after violence otherwise |
| 18:04.15 | pozic | dir: interesting way to abuse Bash even more. |
| 18:04.25 | gnarface | pozic: but you can get a LONG LONG way just tying "random tools in a box" together with bash and file pipes |
| 18:05.37 | dir | pozic: rather pretty nifty to me |
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| 18:06.42 | JonB | found a working solution to my question here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=110458 |
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| 18:07.36 | pozic | gnarface: I know, I wrote several hundred of those scripts. |
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| 18:07.52 | pozic | gnarface: it's even more fun when you use multiple languages. |
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| 18:09.18 | gnarface | oh the horrific things that reside in the example scripts directory in the debian nc package.... |
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| 18:12.38 | DeusEx | hi everybody |
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| 18:12.54 | sney | Hi |
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| 18:13.37 | LoRez | DeusEx: don't /amsg |
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| 18:16.29 | DeusEx | LoRez, why shouldn't I? |
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| 18:16.54 | LoRez | klines happen for things like that. |
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| 18:17.53 | dmilith | is it really that hard to put one file to some file sharing place? |
| 18:17.58 | dmilith | I still cannot find that file |
| 18:18.01 | dmilith | no login package |
| 18:18.12 | dmilith | no any packages containing su binary anywhere |
| 18:18.59 | gnarface | dmilith: oh? |
| 18:19.01 | streuner | dmilith: thats hard, it should usually be essiantial... |
| 18:19.04 | gnarface | judd: files su |
| 18:19.21 | gnarface | or maybe |
| 18:19.22 | gnarface | ,files su |
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| 18:19.40 | dmilith | nothing that kind wokrs |
| 18:19.41 | jelly-home | dmilith: "login" package |
| 18:19.43 | dmilith | already checked |
| 18:19.48 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/su |
| 18:19.49 | gnarface | checks to make sure su is actually a file |
| 18:19.52 | judd | Search for bin/su in squeeze/i386: login: bin/su |
| 18:19.55 | dmilith | yea.. where can I find it? |
| 18:19.58 | jelly-home | judd: file bin/su --release lenny |
| 18:20.02 | judd | Search for bin/su in lenny/i386: login: bin/su |
| 18:20.08 | gnarface | there we go |
| 18:20.19 | jelly-home | ,v login |
| 18:20.20 | judd | Package: login on i386 -- lenny: 1:4.1.1-6+lenny1; squeeze: 1:4.1.4.2+svn3283-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1:4.1.4.2+svn3283-2+squeeze1; sid: 1:4.1.5.1-1; wheezy: 1:4.1.5.1-1 |
| 18:20.29 | gnarface | jelly-home: the bot ignores search criteria of only 2 characters in length or something? |
| 18:20.49 | jelly-home | dmilith: so pick login 1:4.1.1-6+lenny1 from snapshot.d.o, or grab it from archive.d.o |
| 18:21.08 | jelly-home | gnarface: "file" not "files" |
| 18:21.24 | gnarface | jelly-home: oh, duh |
| 18:21.36 | streuner | sure, but wth he hasnt login package at all? |
| 18:21.36 | blubberdiblub | i think lenny is not on archive yet. i don't find it at http://archive.debian.net/lenny/ anyway |
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| 18:21.49 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: archive.debian.ORG |
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| 18:22.04 | blubberdiblub | oops, okay, thanks jelly-home |
| 18:23.30 | jelly-home | but the source for "login" binary package is "shadow", so it will be under http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/shadow/ |
| 18:24.27 | streuner | insane, in brain, how would someone install Debian without login... |
| 18:24.55 | blubberdiblub | well, if i understood him correctly, he fiddled around with his install |
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| 18:25.21 | streuner | blubberdiblub: LFS? |
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| 18:25.31 | dmilith | jelly-home: thanks.. |
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| 18:25.51 | dmilith | I would never find "Login" package in "S-hadow" dir :/ |
| 18:25.59 | blubberdiblub | streuner, i don't know. maybe he just deleted it ;) |
| 18:26.04 | jelly-home | dmilith: i no, rite |
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| 18:31.03 | streuner | blubberdiblub: insane in brain ;-) |
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| 18:50.15 | ^Oliver^ | How can I check the health of a hard drive (assuming S.M.A.R.T. isn't present)? |
| 18:50.26 | jordanm | install smart |
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| 18:51.12 | specing | +10 internets to jordanm |
| 18:52.27 | ^Oliver^ | Ah, thanks. |
| 18:52.29 | ^Oliver^ | I feel silly now. |
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| 18:52.57 | trysten | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.12 | sney | Most hard drive manufacturers also have bootable drive test utilities |
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| 18:53.43 | a_person | how does one keep oneself updated about people such as Stallman, Ahmadinejad, or something? |
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| 18:54.58 | simonlnu | a_person: how about a debian question? |
| 18:55.20 | a_person | simonlnu: I want to do that on my Debian system |
| 18:55.45 | simonlnu | it's not a support question |
| 18:55.45 | a_person | simonlnu: with like a social networking program from the archives or so |
| 18:56.02 | gnarface | a_person: you mean like a web browser? |
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| 18:57.00 | simonlnu | seriously, man, go use google or some other search engine. |
| 18:57.01 | a_person | I thought maybe something like twidge but a tool that runs more in the background and tells me when people I am interested in made a public statement, etc. |
| 18:57.30 | sney | I think some DEs have twitter and RSS widgets |
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| 18:57.40 | superstraw | be like Noam Chomsky and read foreign papers. |
| 18:57.51 | a_person | I am using openbox with conky |
| 18:57.57 | gnarface | a_person: uh... you mean like a web browser? |
| 18:58.27 | a_person | gnarface: I do not yet know of a meaningful usage of a browser that runs in the background... |
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| 18:59.05 | dokma | how do I rotate a video with ffmpeg on Debian stable? |
| 18:59.28 | dokma | seem that the transpose mentioned all over the web is not supported by the official version of ffmpeg? |
| 18:59.55 | a_person | dokma: go in ffmpeg's manual and look for `transpose' |
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| 19:00.09 | gnarface | hmm |
| 19:00.10 | dokma | not found |
| 19:00.13 | a_person | it's about line 7510 |
| 19:00.20 | gnarface | i'm not actually sure the version of ffmpeg in stable is actually ffmpeg |
| 19:00.22 | dokma | when I man ffmpeg |
| 19:00.26 | dokma | and / transpose |
| 19:00.29 | dokma | I get nothing |
| 19:00.47 | simonlnu | a_person: he means for you to type into your web browser and do a search. |
| 19:00.48 | dokma | a_person: what version of ffmpeg you run? |
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| 19:00.57 | simonlnu | and now, *plonk* time |
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| 19:01.01 | superstraw | mine doesn't have transpose either, but transcode |
| 19:01.06 | a_person | dokma: from wheezy, but the docs shouldn't have changed that much |
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| 19:01.53 | a_person | dokma: don't you have info about transpose at about line 7510+ ? |
| 19:02.05 | dokma | I have no mention of transpose in the entire manual |
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| 19:02.53 | gnarface | dokma: believe it or not this may be relevant. do you have 'less' installed? |
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| 19:03.01 | dokma | I do |
| 19:03.14 | gnarface | dokma: nevermind then |
| 19:03.51 | gnarface | its definitely there in sid - but its also actually avconv not ffmpeg (bastards) |
| 19:04.13 | dokma | where does man pull the page to use from? |
| 19:04.17 | dokma | the pager to use |
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| 19:05.00 | gnarface | dokma: i assume it pulls it out of its ass, but if you want more robust search capabilities in man pages you might want to try using the emacs built-in man page reader |
| 19:05.17 | gnarface | dokma: its really all around far nicer |
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| 19:05.43 | dokma | I thought man uses some variable to get the pager binary |
| 19:05.50 | dokma | but it's seems to work just as nice |
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| 19:06.00 | dokma | it's ass that is |
| 19:06.30 | gnarface | dokma: all i know for sure is it uses more unless you have less installed, and searching is even more crippled with more |
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| 19:06.56 | dokma | yeah, I just wanted to toggle line numer display in less |
| 19:07.00 | dokma | obviously it uses less |
| 19:07.02 | a_person | within this manual from 2011 transpose is mentioned: paste.debian.net/188313 |
| 19:07.15 | babilen | dokma: It is handled via the alternatives system (pager) unless you export PAGER IIRC |
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| 19:07.29 | dokma | ok |
| 19:07.43 | blubberdiblub | dokma, -M is for a long prompt. works as option as well as key sequence inside less |
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| 19:09.01 | mikemol | So, I've read through the Debian Policy Manual, cover to cover. Where do I find out how to create a package that would fall under the 'Tasks' category? (This is for an internal use case, not something I'd submit to Debian) |
| 19:09.04 | simonlnu | it's an environment variable, or a setting |
| 19:09.31 | gnarface | dpkg, tell mikemol about nmg |
| 19:09.32 | blubberdiblub | yes, you can set it permanently with the LESS env variable too, that's right simonlnu |
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| 19:10.06 | simonlnu | but usually it's an alternative |
| 19:10.08 | gnarface | can i set it to emacs, like visudo |
| 19:10.09 | gnarface | ? |
| 19:10.19 | gnarface | that'd be awesome if "man emacs" opened emacs |
| 19:10.32 | simonlnu | eh |
| 19:10.38 | blubberdiblub | oh, you're talking about the standard editor |
| 19:10.41 | simonlnu | emacs as pager? o_O |
| 19:10.41 | blubberdiblub | nevermind |
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| 19:11.00 | gnarface | simonlnu: no but it has a far superior built-in manpage reader |
| 19:11.29 | gnarface | simonlnu: you can switch it out for shocking stuff just by overriding $EDITOR |
| 19:11.48 | simonlnu | i know |
| 19:11.59 | gnarface | i just thought it would be fun |
| 19:12.52 | mikemol | gnarface: ty. Though I shudder at the thought of reading fourteen years worth of archives for two mailing lists as part of "RTFM". STFM, I'll do without complaint. :) |
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| 19:12.57 | mikemol | gets searching |
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| 19:13.38 | babilen | mikemol: Just name it "task-whatever" and declare its dependencies accordingly. You might also want to take a look at the existing task source packages and discuss it in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
| 19:14.12 | gnarface | mikemol: i didn't enjoy that read very much either |
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| 19:18.52 | mikemol | cackles |
| 19:18.58 | sleepee | hello everybody... quick question. anybody know where i could get my hands on a debian-based distro (non ubuntu-based) that comes with the 3.x kernel? |
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| 19:19.15 | mikemol | Why, oh why, didn't I read /usr/share/doc/tasksel/README.gz? |
| 19:19.17 | sleepee | preferably somewhat lightweight too if possible |
| 19:19.56 | gnarface | oh look emacs can open gzipped files now. when did that become default? |
| 19:20.01 | kwork | sleepee: debian wheezy ? |
| 19:20.19 | mikemol | babilen, gnarface: tftr. I think I've found what I need. |
| 19:20.36 | babilen | sleepee: Or Debian stable/squeeze with a backported kernel ? (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) |
| 19:20.37 | gnarface | mikemol: good luck! |
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| 19:20.48 | sleepee | really?? i don't know why i always thought wheezy used 2.6 |
| 19:21.02 | babilen | sleepee: It doesn't |
| 19:21.02 | themill | ,kernels |
| 19:21.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 19:21.13 | gnarface | sleepee: it did .... when there was only 2.6 |
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| 19:21.46 | sleepee | ahhh... i see. cool! thanks a lot for the info guys! |
| 19:22.10 | gnarface | you are welcome |
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| 19:23.12 | babilen | sleepee: You might also be interested in the kmuto and wheezy beta installer -- "/msg dpkg kmuto" and "/msg dpkg wheezy beta" |
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| 19:24.04 | sleepee | is that another debian installer? |
| 19:24.44 | sleepee | because i was just about to ask about that... i had trouble with the debian and crunchbang installer before.. |
| 19:24.49 | gnarface | an unofficial one that adds a backported kernel to the stable version |
| 19:25.33 | gnarface | but afterwards you have a normal debian system |
| 19:25.39 | gnarface | (unlike crunchbang) |
| 19:25.48 | timmay | trying debian out for the first time. downloaded a program called devede. did 'sudo dpkg -i devede.deb' and got... Errors were encountered while processing: how do i fix this? |
| 19:26.17 | dondelelcaro | timmay: randomly installing .deb packages is generally not a good idea |
| 19:26.29 | jelly-home | timmay: is this .deb file created specifically to work on Debian? |
| 19:26.36 | sleepee | hmmmm.. i'd actually like to stick with the new kernel... not sure if that's what i really want. |
| 19:26.38 | dondelelcaro | timmay: dpkg -r devede; should fix it. |
| 19:26.42 | gnarface | timmay: the easiest way to get around it would be "apt-get install devede" |
| 19:27.23 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: wouldn't that merely mean he already had it installed? |
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| 19:27.45 | gnarface | dondelelcaro: or are you making commentary about the quality of the program? |
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| 19:28.18 | babilen | sleepee: Just read the factoids I mentioned. |
| 19:28.20 | ranveer5289 | ? |
| 19:29.42 | gnarface | sleepee: no no, you'd still have that newer kernel. it would just be the one package on the system not officially supported by debian |
| 19:29.51 | sleepee | yea... i'm actually going to try out wheezy and see if it works for me |
| 19:29.59 | gnarface | it may |
| 19:30.22 | gnarface | it is coming of age |
| 19:30.27 | sleepee | ohhhh... i thought you meant it only used the new kernel for the installation and that's it |
| 19:30.57 | gnarface | sleepee: it also then installs it |
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| 19:31.03 | babilen | sleepee: No, you surely "keep" the kernel as well. :) |
| 19:31.18 | gnarface | sleepee: but yea, then you've got a kernel not subject to squeeze security updates |
| 19:31.22 | sleepee | yea.. .i thought that sounded weird.. lol |
| 19:31.39 | gnarface | not that wheezy gets security updates either... |
| 19:31.48 | streuner | sleepee: wth is your problem? |
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| 19:31.56 | gnarface | sleepee: either path you choose, once wheezy goes stable it'll all come out in the wash |
| 19:32.03 | timmay | maybe i should ask this. what is the preferred method of converting avi's to dvd's |
| 19:32.20 | sleepee | lol!!! yea.. i guess i should've mentioned my original problem right.. |
| 19:32.32 | streuner | sure, do it! |
| 19:32.54 | gnarface | timmay: i'm usually going the other way around but i'd still use ffmpeg for that. it has cost me ... months at least, of my life though |
| 19:32.55 | sleepee | basically, i've got a desktop with a wireless usb dongle that i can't install.. but it works with distros that use the new 3.x kernel |
| 19:33.26 | sleepee | i figure i'd go the easy route and find a 3.x based distro i liked and make life easier |
| 19:33.38 | gnarface | timmay: ffmpeg and mencoder are both really great for this type of stuff but they also both have utterly horrible documentation. luckily they also both have their own irc channels! |
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| 19:34.17 | timmay | gnarface: thanks |
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| 19:34.40 | streuner | sleepee: Debian isnt a way easier, you just do it right... |
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| 19:35.44 | gnarface | sleepee: eh, since wheezy is frozen, if its installer works for you, i'd say just use it and keep it up-to-date. but you could *probably* just as easily or even more easily install squeeze using the kmuto installer and then just upgrade to wheezy when it goes stable |
| 19:36.07 | babilen | sleepee: Well, you might need firmware on Debian and it would help us a lot to know *which* USB dongle you have. The output of, say, "lsusb" would help for example. |
| 19:36.09 | sleepee | well, it was easier than trying to figure out why i keep getting errors trying to compile the drivers... it's been a real pain and taking forever |
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| 19:37.05 | gnarface | sleepee: here's what saved me decades of time: apt-get build-dep [package name] |
| 19:37.22 | sleepee | well, i don't have the desktop in front of me right now, but it's a ralink rt2870 chipset |
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| 19:38.26 | streuner | dpkg rt2870 |
| 19:38.26 | dpkg | rt2870sta is the vendor driver for Ralink 802.11n/g USB (RT2070, RT2770, RT2870, RT3070, RT3071, RT3072) wireless LAN devices, included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Debian Linux 2.6.32 kernel images. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . Removed at Linux 3.0, ask me about <rt2800usb>. |
| 19:38.51 | sleepee | i installed the firmwares and everything and still nothing... i'm not the most tech savvy, but i've tried some things and i just figured it's easier to find a distro where it worked out of the box.. |
| 19:39.42 | streuner | sleepee: if you want find something which work out of the box, you are prolly not right in Debian :-) |
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| 19:40.11 | streuner | otherwise, you are able to read and learn |
| 19:40.14 | sleepee | yep... i saw that wiki when i was doing a lot of googling lol |
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| 19:41.12 | babilen | sleepee: That wireless adaptor should work just fine with a .32 kernel (as in stable) -- Could you come back when you have access to the actual system with Debian installed on it? |
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| 19:41.39 | eXeC001er | Hello. Sorry for my question, but where can i ask about gnu-make? or maybe somebody can help me here ? |
| 19:41.43 | sleepee | sure... give me a minute... |
| 19:42.38 | gnarface | eXeC001er: ask your question. state the problem you're having. they will decide on their own whether to answer. |
| 19:42.42 | babilen | sleepee: It might, however, be the case that your specific device works *better*/*at all* with rt2800usb that comes with 3.* kernels. You can always install a 3.2 kernel from backports along with the ralink firmware. (make sure you enable contrib and non-free for backports!) |
| 19:42.59 | babilen | brb |
| 19:43.00 | streuner | babilen: he is gone... |
| 19:43.21 | gnarface | eXeC001er: (to be clear: this IS the appropriate place to ask... maybe. it depends on the problem you're actually having and whether you're having it on a Debian system or not) |
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| 19:45.26 | hellyeah | hey |
| 19:45.39 | hellyeah | i cannot find compiz apckages on debian why |
| 19:45.49 | gnarface | ,versions compiz |
| 19:45.50 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
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| 19:46.06 | gnarface | hellyeah: probably just not looking very hard is my guess |
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| 19:46.55 | hellyeah | debian just have this package p compiz-fusion-bcop - Compiz Fusion option code generator |
| 19:47.03 | sleepee | ok.... so ummm... change of plans. apparently during one of my attempts to install another distro i screwed up grub. |
| 19:47.33 | streuner | insane, grub isnt a big problem at all... |
| 19:47.46 | gnarface | sleepee: well according to dpkg squeeze should work fine. also babilen said this just after you left: <babilen> sleepee: It might, however, be the case that your specific device works *better*/*at all* with rt2800usb that comes with 3.* kernels. You can always install a 3.2 kernel from backports along with the ralink firmware. (make sure you enable contrib and non-free for backports!) |
| 19:48.10 | babilen | hellyeah: compiz is in Debian (apart from wheezy) -- Could you *maybe* provide more information about your setup if you want us to help you. (e.g. the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy compiz") |
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| 19:48.13 | gnarface | sleepee: just make sure you have the latest squeeze installer so its got the 2.6.32 kernel (6.0.5) |
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| 19:48.59 | hellyeah | how can i be sure |
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| 19:49.16 | hellyeah | there is no result coming out with aptitude update aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:49.34 | babilen | sleepee: And you need firmware which you can provide during the installation (/msg dpkg installer firmware) or by using an installer that includes it already (/msg dpkg firmware image) -- Note that the kmuto installer includes it as well, while the wheezy beta one does not. |
| 19:49.56 | sleepee | ok... well. i'll give squeeze one more shot.. this time with the 3.2 kernel.. |
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| 19:50.27 | babilen | sleepee: I would suggest to use the kmuto installer in that case |
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| 19:51.09 | sleepee | hmmmm... well, i've already got debian downloaded and ready to install. if that doesn't work, i'll download the kmuto install |
| 19:51.15 | streuner | well, wheezy installer uses a 3.2 kernel nowadays, IIRC |
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| 19:52.42 | hellyeah | hey |
| 19:52.48 | hellyeah | there is no compiz package |
| 19:52.52 | hellyeah | help me |
| 19:53.07 | babilen | hellyeah: Please paste the information I asked you about earlier. |
| 19:53.09 | streuner | hellyeah: In wheezy? |
| 19:53.29 | sleepee | holy crap... i already have the kmuto install downloaded... don't even know why i havent tried installing it yet... |
| 19:53.36 | babilen | hellyeah: (on http://paste.debian.net *not* here -- also "On wheezy?") |
| 19:54.03 | hellyeah | how can i look at the version o debian |
| 19:54.08 | sleepee | ill try it out and let you guys know... |
| 19:54.12 | sleepee | thanks a lot!!! |
| 19:54.19 | boudiccas | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:54.49 | hellyeah | it is wheezy/sid |
| 19:54.57 | streuner | sure |
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| 19:55.33 | hellyeah | i didnt know it is unstable when installed from media |
| 19:55.37 | hellyeah | what the hell |
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| 19:57.00 | babilen | hellyeah: So you are most likely using wheezy which does not include compiz -- You can either decide that you don't want to use it (due to the reason that caused its removal (cf. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864)) or install it from sid |
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| 19:57.45 | babilen | hellyeah: It also sounds as if you are rather new to Debian and I would therefore recommend to use stable and not a development version of Debian. How old is that installation? |
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| 19:58.41 | hellyeah | actually i used debian long time ago like 2-3 years then i started using ubuntu and sick of ubuntu then turn to debian |
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| 20:00.07 | babilen | hellyeah: Sure! Welcome back and don't be afraid to ask if something is unclear. |
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| 20:00.37 | hellyeah | yeah okey fiÅŸrst of all |
| 20:00.45 | hellyeah | i am glad you dont have suck unity thing |
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| 20:01.05 | hellyeah | secondly when i used ubuntu compiz had full of bugs |
| 20:01.09 | marlun | When you read about command-line tools you often see something like name(1), where the name and number can differ, what does the number mean and where can I read more about it? :) |
| 20:01.28 | hellyeah | but i guess ubuntu and debian policy bout releasing new version is different |
| 20:01.42 | hellyeah | so in every case debian must be stabler |
| 20:02.00 | hellyeah | so i return to debian |
| 20:02.11 | hellyeah | using compiz and cairo-dock is too important to me |
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| 20:02.21 | hellyeah | it makes desktop using interactive for me |
| 20:02.48 | hellyeah | i prefer to use 3d + mac-esque desktop rather then static desktop |
| 20:03.02 | babilen | marlun: It's the section. Read "man 1 man" for more information ;) |
| 20:03.03 | boudiccas | !enter |
| 20:03.04 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 20:03.10 | marlun | babilen: thanks! |
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| 20:03.46 | heoa | http://meta.german.stackexchange.com/a/420/887 <-- could someone help me to get the keyboards set in X? |
| 20:03.49 | hellyeah | okey sorry i watch out problem i have not install compiz |
| 20:04.16 | heoa | I can get my keyboads set for one window but I am unable to get them working over all window and from certain defaults |
| 20:04.52 | babilen | hellyeah: You, it is not part of wheezy. You can either: 1. Install and use Squeeze which is the current stable release or 2. Install it from sid with a setup like the one detailed in "/msg dpkg tum" or 3. Forget about compiz and continue using vanilla wheezy. |
| 20:05.05 | heoa | setxkbmap -option grp:caps_toggle -variant dvorak-intl,nodeadkeys, us,de,no & <--- this is basically the command that I want to save, somehow to /etc/default/keyboard ? |
| 20:05.51 | hellyeah | babilen: why? i want to help compiz community to make compiz walking and kicking not it is little bit out of grid |
| 20:06.32 | babilen | hellyeah: I am merely listing your options |
| 20:06.48 | hellyeah | okey i got it |
| 20:07.05 | boudiccas | hellyeah: compiz is not part of wheezy, fact! you've been told how to get it from 'sid', or to install squeeze and then get it from the repos. its all your choice, stop whinging about it |
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| 20:08.55 | DelphiWorld | hi everyone |
| 20:09.11 | DelphiWorld | please how can i stop multicast from getting out through a specific interface, thank you |
| 20:09.13 | streuner | hi |
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| 20:09.39 | hellyeah | i already stopped that why did you pretend like crazy bitch man :D |
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| 20:11.52 | GoodJob | guys. how to check current version of apt-get php5? |
| 20:11.58 | GoodJob | php version... |
| 20:12.26 | streuner | GoodJob: dpkg -l <package> |
| 20:12.38 | ManoftheSea | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.49 | GoodJob | thanks |
| 20:12.56 | DelphiWorld | ManoftheSea: cant do anything using ifconfig ? |
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| 20:13.10 | ManoftheSea | configure your firewall to not pass the multicast traffic |
| 20:13.24 | ManoftheSea | you may also be able to do something about your routes for multicast traffic. |
| 20:13.34 | ManoftheSea | but no, I don't think ifconfig will do it. |
| 20:13.57 | DelphiWorld | ManoftheSea: do ifconfig eth0 and you'lle see multicast flaghs |
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| 20:14.15 | ribe | hey guys, I setup the GATECH server at install, I think it is super slow... can I change that? |
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| 20:14.26 | ManoftheSea | hmm, okay, perhaps you know more than me, DelphiWorld |
| 20:14.46 | DelphiWorld | ManoftheSea: why should i ask then ;-) |
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| 20:18.46 | GoodJob | streuner, .. and how to know current package version before installation? :?) |
| 20:19.08 | streuner | GoodJob: dpkg.log |
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| 20:19.40 | streuner | GoodJob: try /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 20:22.20 | streuner | GoodJob: why do asking at all? |
| 20:22.38 | streuner | you* |
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| 20:23.22 | GoodJob | just want to be sure about version :) |
| 20:23.23 | streuner | GoodJob: (you should give us more details, otherwise we arent able to help...) |
| 20:23.25 | GoodJob | thank you :) |
| 20:23.28 | streuner | hm |
| 20:23.39 | GoodJob | there is 5.3 version |
| 20:23.50 | GoodJob | it's ok |
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| 20:25.03 | babilen | GoodJob: "apt-cache policy PKG" "dpkg -l PKG" "rmadison PKG" (from devscripts) or check on http://packages.debian.org. You can also use "/msg judd v PKG" in here |
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| 20:26.28 | GoodJob | oh, this is very useful! thanks |
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| 20:27.33 | streuner | GoodJob: we told you before, we are only useful, if you provide some details to us... |
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| 20:29.40 | kesroesweyth | Can anyone remind me how the hell I might've done that? |
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| 20:42.21 | jofr54 | I am a new user for debian. how to intall LXDE ? |
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| 20:43.31 | gotmynick | which debian version ? |
| 20:43.42 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Pulse audio is not required for sound, right? |
| 20:43.51 | babilen | Rosenzweig|Deb: It is not |
| 20:43.59 | babilen | !tell jofr54 -about install lxde |
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| 20:44.22 | babilen | jofr54: Essentially just "apt-get install lxde" :) |
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| 20:44.55 | bhasker | hi all anybody who has successfully used mplayer with crystalhd ? I am having some trouble compiling mplayer/ffmpeg with crystalhd |
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| 20:46.06 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Okay. |
| 20:46.53 | Rosenzweig|Deb | So I uninstalled pulaseaudio. |
| 20:46.53 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Restarted my computer 2 days later. |
| 20:46.53 | Rosenzweig|Deb | And now I can't get any sound out of chrome. |
| 20:46.53 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Or anything, really. |
| 20:47.12 | jofr54 | ok babilen it's dow,load ... |
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| 20:47.48 | jofr54 | my version is squeze |
| 20:48.16 | bhasker | Rosenzweig: If you uninstalled pulse audio what are you using ? ALSA ? |
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| 20:49.41 | bhasker | rosenzweig: alsa can but is not that good in multiple sharing of audio device. You might have some other app locked up the device and so it is not usable. Try fuser -v /dev/audio or /dev/dsp whcih will give the app blocking the device |
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| 20:50.06 | babilen | Rosenzweig|Deb: Alternatively: Why don't you just install it again and enjoy sound? |
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| 20:51.05 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Um, it caused issues with Steam. |
| 20:51.07 | Rosenzweig|Deb | :( |
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| 20:51.49 | jofr54 | lxde downloaded. how to startx ? |
| 20:51.54 | Rosenzweig|Deb | Restarting. |
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| 20:52.09 | aidalgol | I haven't had issues with Steam and pulseaudio. |
| 20:52.22 | gnarface | i haven't had issues with steam and alsa |
| 20:52.23 | aidalgol | I wonder what's different about his system. |
| 20:52.38 | gnarface | aidalgol: he's using an onboard soundcard not capable of hardware multiplexing |
| 20:52.39 | jofr54 | ok startx :) thanks babilen |
| 20:52.49 | smhar | greetings |
| 20:52.52 | gnarface | aidalgol: his window manager is probably tying it up to make "bing" noises occasionally |
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| 20:53.10 | gnarface | aidalgol: its easily fixable with userland configs |
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| 20:53.20 | aidalgol | gnarface: Is that true for most onboard sound cards? I have an onboard soundcard, but it's not a cheap motherboard. |
| 20:53.23 | gnarface | aidalgol: the hard part is learning that much about alsa and your hardware |
| 20:53.43 | babilen | jofr54: I would suggest to install a graphical login manager such as gdm3, but that is not necessary. |
| 20:54.12 | gnarface | aidalgol: i think its true for pretty much any card you didn't pay >100$ to creative labs for these days, but there may be other differences (like your userland configs are already using 'default' instead of 'hw,0.0') |
| 20:54.15 | aidalgol | gnarface: yep, but if you want to have success with games in wine, you're going to need to use all sorts of hackery. |
| 20:54.19 | smhar | I just got myself a new Dell i5 laptob. I want to install debian testing on it. which image should I use: the i386 or the ia64? and why? |
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| 20:54.28 | gnarface | aidalgol: no that's not true either |
| 20:54.41 | aidalgol | gnarface: OK, I exaggerated a little. |
| 20:55.32 | gnarface | aidalgol: all you need are a basic understanding of alsa and the specific features of your soundcard - unfortunately these two things are both very rarely documented thoroughly, or at all |
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| 20:56.05 | gnarface | aidalgol: and its probably fair to say you shouldn't need to |
| 20:56.08 | aidalgol | gnarface: Oh, yeah, I was thinking of non-sound issues, as well. |
| 20:56.10 | babilen | jofr54: Alternatively take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/LXDE but note that the "exec startlxde" should much rather be "exec ck-launch-session dbus-launch startlxde" which will initialise consolekit and dbus correctly. (make sure you have "dbus" and "consolekit" installed. I would personally prefer a graphical login manager though. |
| 20:56.25 | aidalgol | gnarface: agreed |
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| 20:57.11 | xian | Hey all. Ran into an issue on a squeeze host where a php script's ldaps connection does not work when called by apache, but connects fine when called via cli. Changing ldap.conf to never use certs "fixes" the apache issue, but I'd rather fix it for real. I'm out of ideas. Any thoughts? |
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| 20:57.31 | xian | So ssl cert issue, but only from apache, not from cli. I don't get it |
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| 20:58.24 | jofr54 | I try Debian on an old PC. If ok then I will install on a new pc |
| 20:58.41 | gotmynick | xian, file perms? can apache (www-data user) read the perms and get into the parent directories ? |
| 20:58.42 | babilen | jofr54: Sure :) |
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| 20:59.19 | gotmynick | errr read the perms no... read the "certs" |
| 20:59.26 | jofr54 | but I am french and I have problem for read doc in english |
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| 20:59.40 | xian | gotmynick: apache can read the /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt (standard debian cert file) just fine |
| 20:59.40 | DelphiWorld | jofr54: be carful |
| 20:59.49 | DelphiWorld | jofr54: atention tu doit pas anoncé votre origin |
| 20:59.52 | jofr54 | tank babilen for your help |
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| 21:00.06 | DelphiWorld | jofr54: oh... what channel i am in ! |
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| 21:00.18 | jofr54 | why not origin ? |
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| 21:00.46 | jofr54 | not authorized ? |
| 21:01.03 | axx_ | hi all.. quick question, I've read recently about a Java vulnerability that affects all OSes (this, I believe : https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=2012-4681 ) |
| 21:01.28 | xian | gotmynick: I just tried running the php script on the cli as www-data and it runs fine |
| 21:01.30 | axx_ | as a Debian Wheezy user, what should I do? just run regular updates? do something specific? |
| 21:01.42 | DelphiWorld | no no jofr54 |
| 21:01.46 | xian | but if I access the page when served by apache, I get an ldap bind error |
| 21:01.52 | DelphiWorld | jofr54: i thought i'm in another channel ;) |
| 21:01.54 | jofr54 | ok Delphy sorry |
| 21:01.58 | axx_ | I have openjdk-6-jre-headless installed |
| 21:02.10 | xian | But editing /etc/ldap/ldap.conf to not check certs allows the ldaps bind to succeed |
| 21:02.22 | xian | I'm kind of stumped about what is special |
| 21:02.33 | xian | I don't see anything funky in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 21:02.42 | gotmynick | xian, th cli uses other php.ini than apache as far as I know, maybe you need to add something to apache's php.ini (?) |
| 21:02.49 | smhar | someone suggested I use amd64 for the intel i5, is this right? |
| 21:03.04 | Monotoko | hello folks... would anybody mind having a look at my SSH config with me? I used puttygen and uploaded the public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, but when I try to use the private key for the same account I just keep getting "server refused our key" - here's my sshd config: http://pastebin.com/Tw0sDppA |
| 21:03.15 | Monotoko | I also set the authorized_keys file to 0600 permissions |
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| 21:03.23 | xian | gotmynick: Yeah. I just don't know what |
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| 21:04.08 | blubberdiblub | Monotoko, try generating a key with more bits. it used to help here |
| 21:04.20 | gnarface | also while apache executes php as www-data by default, the cli php will execute as whatever user you call it as. this could cause permissions issues |
| 21:04.25 | Monotoko | blubberdiblub, 2048? Will do |
| 21:04.39 | blubberdiblub | Monotoko, yup, 2048 should suffice |
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| 21:05.20 | joegiampaoli | Can someone please help me with wrong text formatting in Firefox? |
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| 21:06.53 | jofr54 | is possible to put a firewall? or not necessary? |
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| 21:07.41 | gnarface | jofr54: most people use iptables |
| 21:07.56 | gnarface | jofr54: or some frontend of it |
| 21:08.38 | gnarface | jofr54: it is highly advised but not strictly necessary |
| 21:09.15 | Monotoko | blubberdiblub, it's still being refused :( |
| 21:09.24 | jofr54 | how to install? |
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| 21:10.05 | gnarface | jofr54: installing anything should be as easy as apt-get install [package name] but then you have to figure out how to use it... |
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| 21:10.26 | gnarface | jofr54: there should be a debian irc channel for your native language |
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| 21:11.38 | blubberdiblub | Monotoko, did you put the pubkey into authorized_keys in the right format? all on one line? with ssh-rsa as first word and the whole key as the second word? |
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| 21:12.32 | gnarface | jofr54: ignore that one, sorry |
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| 21:13.12 | gnarface | jofr54: there, that may be helpful, no? |
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| 21:14.20 | jofr54 | yes |
| 21:14.40 | Monotoko | blubberdiblub, I litterally hit "save public key" from puTTy, saved it as "authorized_keys" and uploaded that |
| 21:14.41 | jofr54 | I will go anf thanks |
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| 21:15.01 | gnarface | jofr54: no problem. good luck |
| 21:15.31 | trysten | has anyone here used tilp before? |
| 21:15.40 | blubberdiblub | Monotoko, i think it doesn't save it correctly when doing that. try copy&pase in the correct format like authorized_keys expects |
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| 21:16.45 | trysten | ls |
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| 21:18.46 | Monotoko | blubberdiblub, you're a legend, it worked :) didn't realize putty did that, I only have access to a Windows desktop right now ;) |
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| 21:19.20 | blubberdiblub | Monotoko, no worries, i've gone through the same problems |
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| 21:27.54 | frold | ChrisH: you helped my earlier today - now I have huge memory problem on my server it is out of memory... 2gb used :S How to spot what resources using all that mem? |
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| 21:29.51 | peterrooney | frold: top. top has options to display all kinds of information, eg. run top and press 'f' (lowercase) |
| 21:30.08 | peterrooney | frold: then you can sort on that field. |
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| 21:30.44 | slidesinger | Under the older system I used to put 'alias snd-card-0 snd-hdsp' into '/etc/modutils/alsa' and run 'modules-update' Obviously that has changed and I can't seem to find docs for the equivalent process. Suggestions? |
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| 21:34.57 | jordanm | slidesinger: /etc/modprobe.d/* |
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| 21:36.49 | slidesinger | jordanm: That's what I was afraid of. Put it in alsa-base.conf and still cat /proc/asound/cards returns --- no soundcards --- |
| 21:37.22 | streuner | slidesinger: what kind of chip is that? |
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| 21:37.46 | slidesinger | I even rebooted the computer to be certain that I did not miss restarting anything. |
| 21:38.06 | slidesinger | streuner: rme hdsp with digiface. |
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| 21:38.28 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger, can you modprobe the module by hand? look out for error messages from modprobe and "dmesg" |
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| 21:38.50 | jagginess | blubberdiblub, -v |
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| 21:39.51 | blubberdiblub | jagginess, not really useful, i guess. i'm more interested in if the module loads at all |
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| 21:40.20 | anisfarhana | Hello debian! |
| 21:40.39 | anisfarhana | Seem like i got an error on apt-get update. |
| 21:40.51 | anisfarhana | Hang on , let me paste the error to pastebin. |
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| 21:41.10 | rednovae | is there a currently maintained script for creating chroots? |
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| 21:41.25 | slidesinger | blubberdiblub: Yes. No messages at all in dmesg, no error messages in udevadm monitor output. |
| 21:41.31 | frold | where is the mysql config file located in debian 6? |
| 21:41.52 | Sm0ke0ut_ | /etc/mysql/my.cnf ? |
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| 21:42.06 | anisfarhana | http://pastebin.ws/b3haqv , here is my problem. Maybe i need to update the sources? |
| 21:42.13 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger, so lsmod says the module is loaded, but still no card in /proc/asound/cards ? |
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| 21:42.21 | jordanm | rednovae: debootstrap |
| 21:42.27 | slidesinger | blubberdiblub: Correct. |
| 21:42.55 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger, it seems the module doesn't detect the card, then |
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| 21:43.08 | rednovae | jordanm ok thanks |
| 21:43.19 | slidesinger | lshw -C sound lists it as *-multimedia UNCLAIMED |
| 21:43.42 | slidesinger | Which indicates to me that I don't have the right descriptor set up somewhere. |
| 21:43.57 | blubberdiblub | i'm not familiar with lshw |
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| 21:44.23 | anisfarhana | Ah ignore it. Read only file system. |
| 21:44.26 | anisfarhana | Thanks. |
| 21:44.57 | youlysses | Am I supposed to chroot into my image to add firmware? |
| 21:45.23 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger, do you have the firmware packages installed? maybe the card needs firmware |
| 21:46.12 | youlysses | Well I'm assuming that's not right, since the drive appears to be empty via dd. :-/ |
| 21:46.44 | slidesinger | blubberdiblub: Yes, KERNEL[1346967610.264804] add /bus/pci/drivers/RME Hammerfall DSP (drivers) (udevadm monitor output) |
| 21:47.11 | blubberdiblub | slidesinger, maybe the package alsa-firmware-loaders helps. the description mentions the hammerfall card |
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| 21:47.39 | slidesinger | blubberdiblub: already installed. |
| 21:47.52 | blubberdiblub | okay, well, then i'm out of ideas, sorry |
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| 21:48.49 | youlysses | Wait, am I even supposed to be doing this via a host box, or actually in the image itself...? |
| 21:50.17 | slidesinger | blubberdiblub: You came up with them faster than I did. To get that far took me most of yesterday. |
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| 21:50.25 | slidesinger | Thanks, |
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| 21:51.45 | youlysses | Oh wow, there's an image with all firmware already on the server! |
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| 21:57.04 | hellektro | hello, can anyone recommend me a good cli ftp client? |
| 21:57.46 | jagginess | hellektro, maybe lftp |
| 21:58.32 | hellektro | jagginess ok, thx |
| 21:58.49 | jagginess | hellektro, there's sftp, but that's for sftp_under_ssh |
| 21:59.14 | jordanm | sftp is a completely different protocol |
| 21:59.22 | hellektro | jaggines, does lftp support also uploading to ftp sites? |
| 21:59.39 | jagginess | hellektro, dont see why not |
| 21:59.44 | jordanm | wouldn't be a very useful client if it didn't |
| 21:59.54 | jagginess | i've never seen an cli ftp client that cant uplaod |
| 21:59.57 | hellektro | yeah, i agree , thanks :) |
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| 22:17.14 | aliljet | hey -- I want to install a single unstable package on my stable debian release, is this something easy to do? |
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| 22:17.59 | jordanm | !tell aliljet about ssb |
| 22:17.59 | boudiccas | allisterb: probably not a good idea, but what package is it? |
| 22:18.23 | jagginess | aliljet, anything unstable means you're ready to know how to fix things, so i'd say it's not easy to do if it makes alot of package changes |
| 22:18.44 | aliljet | yep, I completely agree. |
| 22:18.47 | aliljet | I want to install the nodejs packaage |
| 22:18.53 | aliljet | http://packages.debian.org/sid/nodejs |
| 22:18.59 | aliljet | jordanm: thanks, man |
| 22:19.13 | jordanm | ,versions nodejs |
| 22:19.15 | judd | Package: nodejs on i386 -- sid: 0.6.19~dfsg1-4 |
| 22:19.25 | jordanm | ,checkbackport nodejs |
| 22:19.26 | judd | Backporting package nodejs in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libv8-dev (>= 3.7), libssl-dev (>= 1.0.0g), libev-dev (>= 1:4.11), libc-ares-dev (>= 1.7.5), openssl (>= 1.0.0g). |
| 22:19.35 | themill | very much not an easy backport... |
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| 22:20.00 | aliljet | dagger. |
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| 22:20.10 | aliljet | I could just manually download, compile, and use it? |
| 22:20.16 | aliljet | and leave the system alone |
| 22:20.22 | jordanm | yes |
| 22:20.33 | aliljet | is that generally a better strategy? |
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| 22:20.50 | jordanm | you may need to also manually download, compile, and install depends in a way they won't conflict with existings ones though |
| 22:20.51 | zitter | hi, any hint on: ImportError: cannot import name ThePIL |
| 22:21.26 | jordanm | yes, you did "import ThePIL" and that module was not found |
| 22:21.32 | aliljet | yep, agreed |
| 22:21.52 | zitter | jordanm, you're right :D |
| 22:22.19 | zitter | I would like to know if it is a python or debian prb, btw |
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| 22:22.58 | jordanm | the problem is the module doesn't exist |
| 22:23.05 | aliljet | hm, doesn't seem to be complaining about any dependencies -- why the dependencies on the package? |
| 22:23.12 | jordanm | its not a default module, and I have never heard of it, so I am not sure why you expect it to work |
| 22:23.19 | aliljet | (while manually compiling it, that is) |
| 22:23.34 | aliljet | (and maybe the configure script is just killing functionality to let it build.) |
| 22:24.07 | jordanm | aliljet: you can look at debian/rules to see which configure options are given for the debian package |
| 22:24.15 | jordanm | likely there is a --with-ssl |
| 22:24.43 | zitter | strange, I was reading this http://charlesmartinreid.com/wordpress/2012/08/python-image-averaging-and-color-averaging/ |
| 22:25.21 | jordanm | zitter: http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ |
| 22:25.27 | aliljet | where would I find that? is it on the packages site? |
| 22:26.23 | jordanm | zitter: it doesn't appear to be packaged for debian, so you will need to install it via pip (if available) or manually |
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| 22:26.45 | zitter | jordanm, thanks for the info. |
| 22:27.18 | jordanm | aliljet: you need to get the source packages, either via dget or apt-get source |
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| 22:29.00 | themill | ,i python-imaging |
| 22:29.03 | judd | Package python-imaging (python, optional) in squeeze/i386: Python Imaging Library. Version: 1.1.7-2; Size: 424.5k; Installed: 1432k |
| 22:29.17 | aliljet | aye |
| 22:29.28 | themill | zitter: ^^ the library is already in debian, but I've never seen anyone use "ThePIL" before |
| 22:30.26 | rednovae | is there a way i can switch user so that when the switched-to user logouts it does not reenter the previous user's session? |
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| 22:32.33 | jagginess | rednovae, clt-alt-f1, then ctl-alt-del will reboot system without switching users for you |
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| 22:34.59 | boudiccas | jagginess: not on squeeze or wheezy it wont, the mantra of CTRL+ALT+DELETE doesn't work anymore |
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| 22:35.19 | rednovae | i'd like to not switch users |
| 22:35.45 | jagginess | rednovae, so make a special public guest account.. Sounds like you want a kiosk. |
| 22:35.58 | rednovae | yeah. i'm trying to have multiple chroot environments |
| 22:36.05 | rednovae | where i chroot dir; su user; |
| 22:36.31 | jagginess | setup a system username, and do it the right way |
| 22:37.01 | rednovae | the /etc/passwd files will have to match, right? |
| 22:37.04 | rednovae | in and outside the chroot? |
| 22:39.26 | MoTec | is there a reverse dns loolup tpol? |
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| 22:39.43 | MoTec | *tool |
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| 22:41.16 | MoTec | oh duh. host. i knew that |
| 22:41.26 | lelu | if i want to use my collocated server as a proxy, what would be the best method? |
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| 22:42.54 | z_marco | lelu: Uhmmmm.. connect it to the network? lol |
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| 22:43.50 | lelu | I racked it up last weekend so obviously its connected to the network :p |
| 22:44.29 | lelu | I guess a vpn would probably be best |
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| 22:48.53 | z_marco | lelu: Servers these days have remote console. (i.e. HP iLO). Or is it just a desktop installed with squid? |
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| 22:49.14 | TheUnknown2012 | Hi, I have 5 Server and need a solution to manage the Server-Access (SSH-Keys) central - what can you to suggest? |
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| 22:50.24 | lelu | z_marco: I have a drag card installed. |
| 22:50.31 | lelu | *drac |
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| 22:56.36 | z_marco | lelu: For all clarity. Installing and enabling a proxy server, squid should do the job. VPN is a nice service if you need remote access to the server (especially from the evil internet). Make sure you implement a good network architecture that addresses security beforehand. Good luck. |
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| 22:59.21 | joulez | can kde3 libs coexist with kde4 libs? I have an old app I still need to support and we are still stuck on lenny. |
| 23:01.24 | z_marco | joulez: I recommend to install the package "deborphan", it checks issues like orphaned packages that might create conflicts with other libraries. After the install, su to root and issue the command deborphan. Then you can remove unnecessary libraries. |
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| 23:02.38 | ner0x | How can I find where my ssl library files are? |
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| 23:04.21 | z_marco | ner0x: su to root. Issue the command updatedb and then you "locate". (i.e. locate flash*) |
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| 23:06.09 | ner0x | I don't have access to root. |
| 23:06.18 | ner0x | I can only sudo. |
| 23:06.41 | aidalgol | ner0x: OK, then sudo -i |
| 23:06.54 | z_marco | ner0x: su to root = sudo -i |
| 23:07.33 | ner0x | Whoa. |
| 23:08.13 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 23:08.16 | engla | depending on configuration of sudo |
| 23:08.24 | abrotman | he could just look at the pcakage list to see if he has the SSL headers? |
| 23:08.26 | ner0x | So if nginx is asking for --with-sha1=$path What would that path be to? |
| 23:08.42 | abrotman | ner0x: there are nginx packages in Debian |
| 23:09.00 | ner0x | abrotman: I have to build it. |
| 23:09.37 | joulez | z_marco: thanks, can't upgrade to squeeze until i know for sure though :( |
| 23:10.04 | abrotman | ner0x: why? |
| 23:10.50 | abrotman | ner0x: why are you buliding it instead of using the Debian packages? |
| 23:10.56 | ner0x | abrotman: Because I need specific modules. |
| 23:11.00 | abrotman | and if that's the case, ask #nginx how to build their stuff, not us |
| 23:11.00 | boudiccas | ner-x are you usibg ubuntu? |
| 23:11.17 | joulez | hehe |
| 23:11.33 | ner0x | abrotman: The question wasn't about nginx, it was about where a library was. That is distro specific. No need to be a tool. |
| 23:11.39 | jordanm | joulez: I would do the testing in a vm |
| 23:11.45 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.03 | ner0x | I'm fine with just installing it into /opt |
| 23:12.17 | sney | Even if you have to build nginx yourself, apt-get build-dep nginx should take care of all the compile dependencies. --with-foo=/bar is usually only needed on systems that don't have sane package management |
| 23:12.17 | abrotman | ner0x: are you saying #nginx can't help you? |
| 23:12.18 | jordanm | ner0x: he is not being a tool, he is helping by ensuring you are not taking the wrong approach to the given problem |
| 23:13.02 | joulez | jordanm: cool thanks. |
| 23:13.05 | boudiccas | ner0x: again, are you using Ubuntu? |
| 23:13.13 | sney | s/wrong/needlessly complex |
| 23:13.21 | ner0x | boudiccas: No, why would I ask in #debian? |
| 23:13.49 | sney | Heh, you'd be surprised |
| 23:13.53 | ner0x | jordanm: I've already consulted the #nginx channel or else I wouldn't be here. |
| 23:14.02 | joulez | the use of sudo is very ubuntuish :) |
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| 23:17.23 | joulez | ! |
| 23:17.54 | joulez | see if i can compile this junk statically first! (suspect i'll have problems with kde3 libs on squeeze, considering people use kmail etc). |
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| 23:22.22 | z_marco | kmail? whatever happend to mutt, or pine? lol |
| 23:22.54 | abrotman | pine is now alpine |
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| 23:24.16 | z_marco | abrotman: I checked the repo just now, I was pleasantly surprised that it still exists! :-) |
| 23:24.53 | abrotman | i still use it |
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| 23:26.36 | resno | anyone use wpa_supplicant here? |
| 23:27.54 | resno | im setting up a new machine without a gui, and its not detecing my router nor accepting my credentials. any help? |
| 23:30.20 | abrotman | resno: what's your device? what's your kernel? |
| 23:31.25 | resno | abrotman: its a mac-mini. and i think im using squeeze. fresh install. |
| 23:31.44 | resno | abrotman: im actually in the install screen, so its not completed. |
| 23:33.40 | abrotman | you think you're using squeeze? |
| 23:33.57 | abrotman | resno: lspci -nn .. what's the wifi device? i'd guess bcm43xx |
| 23:34.47 | resno | abrotman: from the install screen it says antheros ar5001 |
| 23:35.00 | resno | abrotman: should i complete the install then go from there? |
| 23:35.30 | abrotman | resno: oh, i would, probably easier |
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| 23:36.16 | resno | abrotman: so a side question. my essid is Red :-) should i enter it in "" or no? |
| 23:36.34 | abrotman | resno: eh ? |
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| 23:36.47 | abrotman | resno: oh you know what .. the squeeze installer does'nt support WPA, but the wheezy installer does |
| 23:36.50 | YokoBR | hey guys, look at this please : https://sites.google.com/site/debiandesktop/hardware-tips/drivers-hp-g42-371br |
| 23:37.03 | YokoBR | seems like i can't enable my hd 6370 driver |
| 23:37.03 | abrotman | resno: sorry, had like an 11hr day .. brain slip |
| 23:37.40 | abrotman | resno: so if you wan tot use squeeze, yu'll have to do a WPA wifi after install |
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| 23:37.57 | abrotman | YokoBR: how is that related to you rproblem ? |
| 23:38.39 | YokoBR | i have that notebook and i'm trying to enable my hd 6370 video board |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | not the same machine? |
| 23:39.25 | abrotman | okay .. so what's your error ? |
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| 23:40.40 | resno | abrotman: gotcha thanks |
| 23:41.11 | YokoBR | well, i have a HP G42 373br notebook, and it have both hd 4250 (onboard) and hd 6370 (offboard) video cards. I've installed the proprietary driver, but it can't see my HD 6370... so i have to use HD 4250 drivers... |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | that sounds awful |
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| 23:43.04 | somiaj | YokoBR: what version of debian? You may need a newer kernel, xorg and drivers from squeeze-backports. |
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| 23:44.35 | allballs | 'evening. Quick question about debian/rules, dpkg-build* -- I'd like to add a CFLAG to the compiler, specifically, the PHP-5 package's LFS -- anyone around here in the mood to help a dude out? |
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| 23:46.33 | daemonkeeper | allballs: see dpkg-buildflags |
| 23:46.45 | allballs | yeah, i've read the manpage. Didn't make much sense to me. |
| 23:46.51 | allballs | I'm here as a last ditch effort. |
| 23:47.35 | abrotman | somiaj: that's what the URL says |
| 23:47.54 | daemonkeeper | Export DEB_CFLAGS_APPEND and build the package within that environment again. |
| 23:48.01 | allballs | AHA! |
| 23:48.08 | allballs | OK, now, that makes some sense, thank you! |
| 23:48.18 | allballs | I was wondering what when into [flat] |
| 23:48.19 | YokoBR | somiaj, how do i install the lastest stuff so |
| 23:48.20 | allballs | er, flag |
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| 23:50.11 | gez | Hi |
| 23:50.16 | allballs | so, if the debian/rules for PHP pulls from getconf LFS_CFLAGS, how does bulidconf cmd / export look? |
| 23:50.46 | rudi_s | allballs: If you modify debian/rules (e.g. as maintainer) use DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND (note the _MAINT_), to change the env of a package which correctly uses the DEB_flags* use DEB_CFLAGS_APPEND as daemonkeeper suggested in the environment. |
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| 23:51.40 | gez | I've been experiencing some problems with a genius pensketch graphics tablet. It used to use the wizardpen driver, but I can't find it in Debian Testing. The problems are glitches in the coordinates reading, so there isn't a crash to report and I'm not sure what package is triggering the bug. Any pointers? |
| 23:52.10 | daemonkeeper | rudi_s: Actually, you don't use DEB_ flags anymore as a maintainer. |
| 23:52.26 | rudi_s | daemonkeeper: You don't? |
| 23:52.48 | rudi_s | Then how do you set additional CFLAGS (e.g. -Wall) for a package using dh9? |
| 23:53.14 | rudi_s | (Or additional hardening flags.) |
| 23:53.29 | allballs | so, this is for a one-time compile against source, just to see if it is a valid fix -- I'm still unsure what to do. Too much advice going on in here. |
| 23:53.32 | daemonkeeper | rudi_s: dpkg 1.16.1 does not export flags anymore by default. You need to do it explicitly yourself. |
| 23:53.41 | gnarface | gez: make sure you have contrib and non-free enabled in your sources. if it exists and is a proprietary driver it probably is not in main. additionally - that sounds like something that would be part of xorg or the kernel. if its the kernel maybe m-a will help you |
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| 23:54.30 | gnarface | gez: unfortunately i'm not familiar with that specific hardware so all i can do is speculate |
| 23:54.31 | daemonkeeper | rudi_s: dh (>= 9) automatically injects flags, but the background work is to have something like CFLAGS=$(shell dpkg-buildflags --get CFLAGS) in your rules. |
| 23:54.33 | rudi_s | daemonkeeper: And? That's exactly what DEB_* flags are for, i.e. with dh9 debian/rules. |
| 23:54.44 | rudi_s | daemonkeeper: No. That's not correct. |
| 23:54.55 | somiaj | !tell YokoBR about squeeze-backports |
| 23:55.15 | rudi_s | No need for that with compat=9, that DEB_CFLAGS_MAINT_APPEND = is the recommended way AFAIK. |
| 23:55.35 | rudi_s | And compat=9 automatically exports the buildflags from dpkg-buildflags. |
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| 23:55.56 | daemonkeeper | rudi_s: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2011/09/msg00001.html |
| 23:55.58 | gez | gnarface: Thanks. I have those repos enabled. The tablet was working fine, but it started to show this problema some time ago (I can't tell when exactly. Debian testing moves fast) |
| 23:56.43 | allballs | fellas, I appreciate the deep lesson, but this will be the first chunk of code that I've compiled in 7 years. I just need "-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64" to show up when debian/rules for php gets to 'getconf LFS_CFLAGS' -- help? |
| 23:56.50 | allballs | easy answer is worth a lot to me. |
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| 23:57.01 | gez | I'm not sure what driver it is using. Is there a generic driver for graphic tablets? |
| 23:57.24 | gez | The only one I have installed is xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
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| 23:59.41 | rudi_s | daemonkeeper: I can't find anything in this post that invalidates what I said. |
