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| 00:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | So you need samba 3 for windows 7. Not available in Debian? |
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| 00:07.19 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: i'm not sure both those statements are true. i was recently able to connect to a file share on a windows 7 box |
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| 00:07.47 | nkuttler | ,v samba |
| 00:07.48 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2:3.6.6-3; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-3; experimental: 2:3.6.7-1 |
| 00:08.06 | nkuttler | looks like 3 to me.. |
| 00:08.18 | gnarface | do i read that right that its been version 3 since as far back as lenny |
| 00:08.20 | gnarface | ? |
| 00:08.36 | nkuttler | i don't think 4 is out yet |
| 00:08.53 | nkuttler | ,v samba4 |
| 00:08.54 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-1; sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3 |
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| 00:11.13 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, it was the 2:3 that confused me. |
| 00:11.43 | gnarface | jhutchins_lt: for recent windows versions i do believe you need to mount as cifs instead of smbfs though |
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| 00:13.03 | jhutchins_lt | gnarface: This is w7 on a samba pdc. |
| 00:13.16 | jhutchins_lt | Some security settings need to be changed. |
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| 00:15.46 | jhutchins_lt | The newer versions of 3 supposedly work out of th3e box. |
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| 00:18.09 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, 3.5.6 should work... |
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| 00:26.54 | jasox | I am trying to downgrade to debian wheezy from sid, should I put in /etc/apt/preferences 'Pin release a=stable' or 'Pin release a=wheezy' |
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| 00:27.34 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 00:27.35 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 00:28.11 | jasox | Thanks |
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| 00:35.53 | simonlnu | jasox: stable is still squeeze, so that wouldn't work right now anyway |
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| 00:37.56 | jasox | I'll try downgrade to stable, then upgrade to wheezy |
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| 00:43.54 | engla | downgrade isn't really possible |
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| 00:46.19 | blackshirt | hello |
| 00:46.27 | blackshirt | Good morning |
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| 00:47.09 | blackshirt | is that possible to install linux to uefi based system? |
| 00:47.44 | engla | yes |
| 00:48.20 | blackshirt | engla, even with not disabling eufi? |
| 00:49.04 | engla | yes it's possible. I'm not sure if debian supports it in any convenient way though |
| 00:50.00 | blackshirt | engla, yes, we know that was possible, but when we disable uefi first.. Is that true? |
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| 01:12.02 | sifu1 | hi |
| 01:12.07 | sifu1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:14.26 | mmnicolas | sifu1: come again ? |
| 01:14.50 | sifu1 | mmnicolas:what? |
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| 01:15.57 | mmnicolas | isn't there a checkbox for that in mouse properties ? assuming you're using gnome 3 |
| 01:16.09 | dvs | never liked using the synaptics touchpad for mouse clicks. |
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| 01:17.03 | sifu1 | mmnicolas: i'm susing lxde |
| 01:17.20 | somiaj | dvs: mine gets triggered by my thunb when I type...very annoying |
| 01:17.55 | dvs | thats what i'm sayin! |
| 01:18.22 | sifu1 | mmnicolas: wheezy using gnome 3, requiring 3D support, i dont like it because it freezes the laptop |
| 01:19.32 | mmnicolas | sifu1: if it is a synaptics tp, you should read this: http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad |
| 01:19.47 | sifu1 | i've install tpconfig and gpointing-device-setiings but they dont make any effect |
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| 01:20.25 | sifu1 | mmnicolas: thank you; i'm on to it :) |
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| 01:22.39 | Alaunus | anyone here use a Lenovo X220? Did you do anything to enhance your battery life with Debian? |
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| 01:29.31 | kesroesweyth18 | I need to PDF a few man pages. Is there a good method to do so that allows me to control the font size of the resulting PDF? |
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| 01:32.44 | mmnicolas | kesroesweyth18: paste them in a word processor and export as pdf ? |
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| 01:33.22 | kesroesweyth18 | mmnicolas I might have to do that. I wanted to keep the perfect man-page-esque formatting automatically though. |
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| 01:34.28 | mmnicolas | nothing really prevents that |
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| 01:40.59 | dizzylizzy | if I change the /dev/hdX value of the swap between reboots will debian magically find it or will I have to tell /etc/fstab about it too |
| 01:41.00 | sifu1 | mmnicolas: thank you again! touching tapping works!! |
| 01:41.49 | sifu1 | sifu1: mmnicolas: /thank you again! touchpad tapping works!! u debians rock |
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| 01:43.12 | Blue1 | i am trying to recover a blown boot block on a debian squeeze system - simple -- http://pkill-9.com/recovering-ubuntudebian-linux-after-a-windows-installhiccup/ but it won't let me chroot - using ubuntu 10.04 livecd |
| 01:44.08 | mmnicolas | dizzylizzy: context please |
| 01:44.36 | jeep | what is the chroot error ? |
| 01:44.59 | mmnicolas | jeep: context ?! |
| 01:45.35 | jeep | mmnicolas: of ? |
| 01:46.05 | jeep | Blue1: got any other cd options ? |
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| 01:47.35 | Blue1 | jeep: linux mint or debian squeeze |
| 01:47.52 | Blue1 | jeep: error is no such file or command |
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| 01:48.29 | jeep | Blue1: at which step ? |
| 01:50.06 | dizzylizzy | mmnicolas, unfortunately my iBook G4 requires two partitions all to itself just to boot, so I think I have to repartition hda4 and hda5 to be inside an LVM |
| 01:50.22 | dizzylizzy | so it'll be apple1, apple2, /, and LVM containing swap and /home |
| 01:50.23 | mmnicolas | Blue1: just boot again from the install disc and go to the last step, "Install bootloader" or something |
| 01:50.24 | dizzylizzy | sighs |
| 01:50.41 | dizzylizzy | i'm surprised it let me create it at all if it can only hold 4 partitions |
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| 01:51.50 | mmnicolas | dizzylizzy: no problem here, just use UUIDs, identify your partitions with `blkid /dev/hdXX`, and add both entries |
| 01:52.14 | dizzylizzy | let me install uuid >_> silly squeeze |
| 01:53.10 | tanderson11 | Hi guys. I just installed debian and I am having trouble configuring my wireless chipset. I have a Realtek RTL8188CE, which is not supported by debian. I have upgraded my kernel to 3.2 via backports and run "apt-get install firmware-realtek", but iwconfig still shows no wlan0. 'dmesg | grep "firmware"' gives: rtl8192ce:rtl192c_init_sw_vars():<0-0> Failed to request firmware! |
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| 01:53.20 | tanderson11 | Does anyone know anything about how to configure my wireless? |
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| 01:54.47 | un214 | ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwconfig wlan0 ap xxxxxxx |
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| 01:55.50 | tanderson11 | wlan0: Error while getting interface flags. No such device |
| 01:55.59 | un214 | might be eth1 then |
| 01:56.23 | tanderson11 | I get the same error when I run ifconfig eth1 up |
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| 01:56.55 | un214 | sorry I'm stumped then |
| 01:57.03 | tanderson11 | Thanks for the help anyway :) |
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| 01:57.39 | Tramp | !rtl8188ce |
| 01:57.39 | dpkg | The Realtek RTL8188CE and RTL8192CE are PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets (PCI IDs 10ec:8176, 10ec:8177, 10ec:8178, 10ec:8191). mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192ce) is available since Linux 2.6.38. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 02:00.08 | tanderson11 | Tramp, I have already added the non-free repo to my sources.list and ran "apt-get install firmware-realtek" Is there a way to see if I have the right package installed? |
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| 02:02.00 | Tramp | tanderson11: I just thought the factoid could tell you something new. Sorry if it doesn't- I don't use wireless. If the apt-get did not return an error, you should have the right package |
| 02:02.16 | tanderson11 | Okay, thank you! |
| 02:02.40 | jeep | tanderson11: dpkg -l | grep real will show if it installed |
| 02:03.15 | Tramp | or apt-cache policy firmware-realtek |
| 02:03.33 | nsadmin | tanderson11. also you said "added non free then tried to install"... did you run aptitude update between the two? |
| 02:04.18 | tanderson11 | nsadmin: yes I did. Jeep and tramp, the commands say I have the realtek firmware 0.28 installed |
| 02:04.55 | nsadmin | oh ok, is that the right one afauk? |
| 02:05.07 | Tramp | well. mine shows Candidate: 0.36 - but that's on squeeze |
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| 02:05.52 | tanderson11 | nsadmin: I think it is, but I haven't actually done enough research. I will try and find out. Tramp: I am on squeeze as well, do you know how you got candidate: 0.36? |
| 02:06.47 | nsadmin | tanderson11, you might try iwlist scan to see if you get results |
| 02:07.10 | nsadmin | this is a wireless interface? |
| 02:07.11 | Tramp | tanderson11: sorry the box I checked it is wheezy , not squeeze |
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| 02:08.18 | tanderson11 | iwlist scan says eth0, pan0, and lo don't support scanning |
| 02:08.46 | tanderson11 | Tramp, do you have a working realtek chipset? If so should I just get wheezy? |
| 02:08.49 | nsadmin | ok |
| 02:09.07 | Tramp | tanderson11: no. as I noted, I don't do wireless anymore |
| 02:09.21 | tanderson11 | Oh yes, sorry |
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| 02:09.35 | nsadmin | howbout ifconfig -a? you'd get paragraphs and titles (interface names) |
| 02:09.40 | Tramp | having wasted too much of my time with this stuff, I just run cables |
| 02:09.47 | nsadmin | does that confirm it's just those three? |
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| 02:10.02 | tanderson11 | Yes I believe so |
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| 02:10.56 | Tramp | I think the driver fails to initialize the hardware, so he does not have the device |
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| 02:12.16 | nsadmin | tanderson11. would you be willing to check? |
| 02:12.26 | tanderson11 | Yes I just did. It is only those three |
| 02:12.51 | nsadmin | ok, so most likely the driver isn't installed |
| 02:13.01 | nsadmin | or is installed but not inserted |
| 02:13.14 | tanderson11 | How can I determine which one is true? |
| 02:14.13 | nsadmin | the first would be true if the driver file is not present on your machine... do you know the driver name? |
| 02:14.17 | Tramp | nsadmin: you missed the error he pasted earlier: rtl8192ce:rtl192c_init_sw_vars():<0-0> Failed to request firmware! |
| 02:14.28 | Tramp | so the driver is there and running, just not working |
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| 02:15.33 | nsadmin | hmm. that's a driver behavior I haven't seen before, which is driver present and interface not present (indep of whether firmware loaded)... having said that, that behavior makes more sense |
| 02:16.10 | nsadmin | that is, if can't load firmware, don't make interface |
| 02:16.18 | tanderson11 | I don't know the driver name. Although it would appear I have it. |
| 02:16.37 | jeep | lsmod should show it ? |
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| 02:17.06 | Tramp | rtl8192ce |
| 02:17.29 | nsadmin | tanderson11, howbout running lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 02:17.39 | nsadmin | that shoujld probably get you two lines |
| 02:17.39 | tanderson11 | Yes, I have that and rtl8192c_common and rtlwifi |
| 02:19.44 | tanderson11 | Yes. I have one line for ethernet: Intel corporation something-something and one line for network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi adapter |
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| 02:25.11 | Tramp | tanderson11: the changelog for firmware-realtek says: "Add Realtek RTL8192CE/RTL8188CE firmware for use with rtl8192ce" vor 0.30 |
| 02:25.23 | Tramp | s/vor/for/ |
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| 02:25.46 | tanderson11 | Okay, that is good news. So I should just setup a wheezy repo and get the latest version of the firmware? |
| 02:27.27 | nsadmin | you could "backport" that package |
| 02:27.56 | Tramp | tanderson11: I'd probably try to just unpack the new version and slap it in, to try if it works before reinstalling |
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| 02:28.25 | Tramp | isnce this firmware package is just a bunch of data files |
| 02:29.09 | nsadmin | and before doing that, you could download the package, make a temp work dir, move the package there and look thru those files, and copy to the firmware dir and see if that work |
| 02:29.10 | nsadmin | s |
| 02:29.52 | nsadmin | in order to see if the firmware in that package works |
| 02:30.21 | nsadmin | one unfortunate possibility is the firmware package is a downloader instead of a container |
| 02:30.59 | Tramp | nah, I checked - it's not |
| 02:31.09 | nsadmin | so it's a container? |
| 02:31.15 | tanderson11 | Okay I will try that. Thank you. Do you know where I can get the software? I have run apt-get install realtek-firmware from the squeeze-backports, and got .26, but this page has the version I want. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze-backports/firmware-realtek |
| 02:31.52 | Tramp | yes. I installed it and it's just a bunch of files, mainly in /lib/firmware |
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| 02:33.14 | nsadmin | tanderson11, look in the pool dir |
| 02:34.27 | nsadmin | look in packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-realtek |
| 02:34.38 | nsadmin | (two separate suggestions :) |
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| 02:35.42 | witheld | What is the difference between suggested packages and reccomended packages? |
| 02:35.53 | tanderson11 | Sorry for the newbie question, but how do I look in the pool directory? |
| 02:36.19 | Tramp | why don't you just download from the page you just mentioned? |
| 02:36.55 | tanderson11 | Nevermind I found it. I just didn't see the link on the side :blush: |
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| 02:39.03 | krakrjak | anyone got a good idea on how to make loop file systems mount last at boot up and umount first at shutdown? |
| 02:39.29 | krakrjak | I tried hacking up umountfs and the like with not much luck. |
| 02:42.01 | jeep | krakrjak: rc.local can handle the startup side |
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| 02:56.00 | tanderson11 | Okay, I moved the contents of the wheezy package into /lib/firmware and I restarted. Still no luck |
| 02:56.29 | nsadmin | tanderson11, check output of dmesg? |
| 02:57.19 | tanderson11 | Same error: Failed to request firmware |
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| 02:59.28 | nsadmin | failed to -request- firmware... that's interesting, if I'm understanding correctly, it's saying this about itself... that it failed to take a required action |
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| 03:01.36 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Either that or the error message was written by a non-english speaker. |
| 03:02.06 | nsadmin | ahh, good point... in the latter case it meant that a request -was- done and somehow failed |
| 03:02.45 | tanderson11 | What was the command to determine which version of the driver I have installed? I just want to make sure the copying happened correctly |
| 03:05.26 | nsadmin | tanderson11, dpkg -s <pkg> would give you a lot of key/value pairs, one being the Version: |
| 03:06.13 | nsadmin | modinfo <module> would extract info from the module |
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| 03:10.19 | nsadmin | karlpinc, is the source of the module in question under source control? |
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| 03:12.43 | Tortel | has anyone used an Intel Centurino 6235 agn before? |
| 03:13.14 | Tortel | i cant get it to connect, even with a 3.5.3 kernel, and the firmware from the website |
| 03:14.26 | sney | Tortel: 3.5.3? what debian version is this? |
| 03:14.42 | Tortel | technically its mint debian |
| 03:14.52 | sney | !lmde |
| 03:14.53 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 03:15.18 | Tortel | well, has anyone gotten it working on debian sid? |
| 03:15.42 | Tortel | using a self-compiled kernel |
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| 03:15.50 | sney | Tortel: the helpers in this channel are volunteers who have decided to support Debian users... it is disrespectful to expect them/us to just support any apt/dpkg distro under the sun |
| 03:16.05 | sney | Tortel: please go to the correct channel (or install Debian and party with us) |
| 03:16.35 | Tortel | im not sure it works at all |
| 03:16.50 | Tortel | so if anyone has it working, let me know |
| 03:17.07 | sney | if you want to inquire about support for that nic in the kernel, try ##linux |
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| 03:23.04 | woprr | lo |
| 03:23.40 | sney | hi |
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| 03:39.07 | woprr | Q: which kernel CONFIG is missing if /dev/disk/by-id ../by-path is OK with 3.2 bpo but /by-path missing and obfuscated names and *ata* missing with vanilla 3.5.3 with localmodconfig on AMD K8 platform but not on intel 64 platform? upgrading to testing udev hasnt fixed that yet, waiting for rebuild without CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED... |
| 03:39.31 | woprr | on squeeze |
| 03:39.36 | woprr | +bpo |
| 03:42.10 | woprr | udevadm test $(udevadm info -q path -n /dev/sdx) confirmed the obfuscated names creation under /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 03:43.21 | tapout | is there a way to know if you're being throttled? 2 servers, 1 connected at 1Gb, another 100Mb. Start transfering files, did 110GB and then now it's capped at 300KB/sec ... it was going 11-12MB/sec.. I'm figuring they throttled me. Is there a way to know for sure? |
| 03:43.24 | woprr | on stable & testing udev on linux 3.5.3 |
| 03:44.10 | woprr | tapout, use a peer server with iperf over ssh? |
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| 03:47.34 | woprr | or use tcpdump to analyze priority flags traces from the load balancer in packets? |
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| 03:48.18 | tapout | iperf will at least let me see what's going on, thank you |
| 03:48.31 | woprr | hopefully |
| 03:49.24 | tapout | check this out |
| 03:49.34 | tapout | ovh.ca -> ovh.ie [ 4] 0.0-10.2 sec 100 MBytes 82.7 Mbits/sec |
| 03:49.51 | tapout | ovh.ie -> ovh.ca [ 3] 0.0-10.4 sec 3.23 MBytes 2.60 Mbits/sec |
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| 03:50.07 | tapout | one way goes 82Mb, the other .. 2.6 ? |
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| 03:51.49 | Na_Klar | How bad is a misaligned ext4 partition (by 3584bytes) in regard to performance and stability? And how does this happen? |
| 03:53.20 | Wyzard | Na_Klar: Misaligned partitions reduce write performance, but shouldn't significantly affect read performance afaik, and shouldn't affect stability at all |
| 03:53.39 | tapout | is there a way to force a larger tcp window size for ssh connections? |
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| 03:54.32 | Wyzard | Na_Klar: How it happens is just that the partitioning tool didn't choose an aligned starting address when it created the partition |
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| 03:56.37 | Na_Klar | wyzard, is it fixable without repartitioning? Or rather without the risk of loosing data? |
| 03:57.22 | woprr | tapout, sry I'm not a server guy, wait for answers from the networking guys ;) |
| 03:57.37 | Wyzard | Na_Klar: There are partition-alignment tools out there, but I wouldn't trust them... better to back up, repartition with an ordinary partitioning tool, and restore data |
| 03:58.03 | Wyzard | Na_Klar: Realigning in-place is possible, but leaves you with a broken mess if the process is interrupted |
| 03:59.34 | Na_Klar | wyzard, I used gparted on that 3TB disk. I wouldn't know which other tool I should use for a better partitioning. |
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| 04:00.15 | Wyzard | Na_Klar: I've never liked gparted... I'd use plain fdisk or cfdisk, or gdisk if you're using GPT |
| 04:00.23 | Wyzard | gives you more control |
| 04:00.27 | Na_Klar | I see |
| 04:00.50 | Na_Klar | okay, thanks for the information. I appreciate |
| 04:01.02 | Wyzard | 1MB alignment seems to be the new de-facto standard |
| 04:01.27 | slidesinger | Trying to compile a driver and it generates a message: The file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.33.7.2-rt30/include/INCLUDE_VERSION_H. I have traced this down to ../include/linux/version.h in the header package, but other things need the full sources. |
| 04:01.33 | slidesinger | I also checked and there is no ../include/linux/version.h in them either. Are there any potential problems/pitfalls if I use both the header packages and kernel source packages? |
| 04:01.42 | Na_Klar | Is there a connection between the size of the misalign and the performance lack? |
| 04:02.09 | Wyzard | Even though hard drives only require 4k, SSDs often require larger alignment sizes; 1MB is much more alignment than any drive actually needs, but it's easier to think in 1MB units anyway |
| 04:02.17 | Wyzard | no |
| 04:02.57 | slidesinger | Should read: I also checked /vanilla kernel sources/ and there is no... |
| 04:03.04 | Wyzard | but small writes are affected more than large contiguous writes |
| 04:03.23 | Na_Klar | makes sence |
| 04:03.48 | Na_Klar | *sense |
| 04:05.04 | Na_Klar | wyzard, well, that's most likely very dependant, but what would you say, how high is the performance lack approximately on a misaligned partition? |
| 04:06.13 | Wyzard | I don't know any specific numbers, but I'm sure you can find benchmarks of that on the web |
| 04:06.58 | Na_Klar | yeah, ty |
| 04:07.10 | Wyzard | A write that would normally overwrite a single 4k block on the disk will instead make the disk read two sectors and then write them both |
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| 04:07.34 | Wyzard | and a read followed by a write to the same spot means the drive has to wait for a full rotation |
| 04:08.21 | Wyzard | In a contiguous write of a larger amount of data, that problem only occurs at the beginning and end; the blocks in the middle can be overwritten without reading them first |
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| 04:09.25 | Na_Klar | wyzard, when both sectors got written, wouldn't one of them been freed afterwards? |
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| 04:10.04 | Na_Klar | s/been/get |
| 04:11.35 | Wyzard | There's no such thing as "free" at the physical disk level -- every sector always contains data (even if it's zeroes or meaningless nonsense) |
| 04:11.54 | Na_Klar | oh yeah, you are right of course. my bad |
| 04:12.01 | Wyzard | Free space is a filesystem concept; it just means that the data stored in some sectors on the disk is unimportant and can be overwritten with file contents |
| 04:12.12 | Na_Klar | right |
| 04:12.39 | Na_Klar | was missing the forest through the trees |
| 04:13.02 | Tortel | sney, iwconfig wlan0 power off made it work |
| 04:13.04 | Tortel | btw |
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| 04:17.25 | slidesinger | Sorry about that, found the answer to the question after the 100th or so rephrase. Been at this for four days and I'm beat. They can exist together, but doing so did also gen some new errors which I will tackle tomorrow. |
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| 04:18.29 | woprr | Q: A: fixed by udev testing 175-7 |
| 04:19.50 | woprr | for linux 3.5.3 |
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| 04:25.47 | witheld | I have the line deb http://anheng.com.cn/loongson2f wheezy/ in my sources.list, and I'm trying to pin all the packages from that repo, but....I can't seem to |
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| 04:26.43 | witheld | I have Pin: origin "www.anheng.com.cn" , but that's not working |
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| 04:28.06 | simonlnu | that's not an origin. origin is e.g. Debian |
| 04:28.19 | simonlnu | man apt_preferences |
| 04:29.14 | witheld | "the keyword here is "origin" which can be used to match a hostname" |
| 04:29.21 | witheld | I have read it quite a few times now |
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| 04:29.37 | simonlnu | can be, but origin is usually defined in Release |
| 04:29.50 | simonlnu | if it is, it'll use that |
| 04:30.39 | witheld | Well, how can I match a hostname then? They both have the same release |
| 04:31.43 | simonlnu | check the Release file. it'll be a lot easier to do this |
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| 04:33.17 | witheld | How would I check that? Or what would I man to find out? Sorry, I've just never used apt further then what most normal systems need... |
| 04:33.33 | simonlnu | go on the site, and read it :) |
| 04:33.40 | simonlnu | it's a text file |
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| 04:39.51 | witheld | Eh, it doesn't seem to have a release |
| 04:41.57 | simonlnu | da hell? weird. should be in dists/ or similar |
| 04:42.27 | simonlnu | might be compressed too |
| 04:42.37 | simonlnu | bz2 or gz or xz |
| 04:42.43 | nsadmin | witheld, "what most normal systems need" is pretty vague and also nonspecific... |
| 04:43.19 | simonlnu | i assumed s/he meant "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" and similar things |
| 04:43.32 | nsadmin | especially since each machine could be used in a completely different way from each other and from itself at different times |
| 04:44.05 | nsadmin | it may be the second kind of archive... no dists |
| 04:44.36 | JoeHazzers | "most normal systems need" virtual terminals, init, a linux kernel, basic filesystem utilities, basic core utilities, basic network connectivity tools |
| 04:44.44 | JoeHazzers | you know, the sort of thing every system needs |
| 04:44.46 | witheld | nsadmin: Normal as in 'not a yeelong lemote', I need that repo to get a patched Xorg that doesn't segfault when you try to use the siliconmotion driver |
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| 04:45.53 | witheld | Yes I've messed with apt a bit, I can makes a sources.list, upgrade released, whatever, I just don't know anything about package pinning and it's not working |
| 04:46.04 | witheld | releases* |
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| 04:47.07 | nsadmin | getting software that works properly with specific hardware is pretty normal, I'll give you that... |
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| 04:52.25 | pinkus | why is it that "apt-get build-dep mpd" requests a whole gigabyte of packages? |
| 04:52.46 | pinkus | surely i dont need a gig of dependencies to build a music server? |
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| 04:53.03 | witheld | Depends if you already have the build utilities, I would assume |
| 04:53.16 | witheld | The basic ones that is |
| 04:53.20 | pinkus | i have build-essentials and dpkg-dev already |
| 04:53.33 | pinkus | and even those arent nearly close to 1 gig |
| 04:54.44 | witheld | Hm, what packages does it ask for anyway? |
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| 04:56.25 | pinkus | 236 packages, some of them are autopoint, autotools-dev, clisp, g++, defoma, iso-codes, tons of texlive stuff |
| 04:57.09 | pinkus | xpdf, x11proto-input-dev and other x11proto stuff |
| 04:57.16 | pinkus | i dont see why all of those are necessary. |
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| 04:59.29 | pinkus | i tried several times to get mpd to allow lame encoding, but it is disabled by default in the repo. |
| 04:59.47 | pinkus | so i am trying to compile it to enable lame |
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| 05:12.35 | pinkus | i am running squeeze, and i was wondering if there is a way to enable lame encoding with mpd. it seems to be disabled by default (not the case with other distros). |
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| 05:28.52 | pinkus | hi soloman. |
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| 05:45.41 | rawburt | any chance I can take the string "Fri Aug 31 23:37:00 CDT 2012" and determine what time has passed via CLI? |
| 05:45.48 | rawburt | looking for a oneliner. |
| 05:46.25 | jeep | rawburt: for in a bash script ? |
| 05:46.57 | rawburt | actually I'm looking for a oneliner for an extend entry in my snmpd.conf |
| 05:47.21 | rawburt | basically if I can convert that string to a time unit that's passed since, goal |
| 05:49.05 | jeep | rawburt: maybe time would be useful not sure |
| 05:49.22 | jeep | rawburt: time foo.sh .. will print how long the command ran |
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| 05:50.09 | enlightified | fortune has many oneliners, maybe you could use one of them. |
| 05:50.09 | rawburt | jeep: not quite what I'm looking for.. thanks though |
| 05:50.24 | enlightified | the last thing I posted was not serious. |
| 05:50.34 | enlightified | :) |
| 05:50.42 | rawburt | heh |
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| 06:01.22 | jeep | enlightified: fortune is fun for many purposes |
| 06:02.24 | pinkus | so i deleted a conf file and now i cant remove that packager from apt. |
| 06:02.51 | pinkus | gives me errors when i try to do anything with the package in either apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 06:03.06 | pinkus | sed: can't read /etc/mpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 06:03.10 | enlightified | hah? fun for many purposes? I can't digest that sentence. please elaborate. |
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| 06:03.22 | enlightified | jeep: . |
| 06:04.10 | jeep | you can use it in your profile and various other places so it is posted .. on webpages .. all over |
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| 06:05.26 | jeep | pinkus: have your tried touch /etc/mpd.conf then apt-get remove package |
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| 06:11.05 | luftikuss | I am using the kernel Linux 3.2.0-3-686-pae. Does »pae« stand for Physical Address Extension? |
| 06:11.31 | dax | yes |
| 06:11.45 | luftikuss | dax: Thank you- |
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| 06:15.59 | pinkus | does anyone here know a way to get mpd to use lame encoding in debian? |
| 06:16.27 | pinkus | seems to be a debian specific problem for me. |
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| 06:16.37 | pinkus | since it works fine in other distros i tried. |
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| 06:21.04 | ompaul | pinkus: what version of debian? |
| 06:21.23 | luftikuss | Debian wheezy/sid xfce4 writes out very fast some status messages on my screen between the Grub 2 and the login screen images. What log file does relect them for later viewing? |
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| 06:21.57 | luftikuss | s/relect/reflect/ |
| 06:22.23 | jeep | luftikuss: /var/log/xorg--- ? for the x startup messages |
| 06:22.38 | ompaul | luftikuss: /var/log/syslog or run the command dmesg | less |
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| 06:26.03 | pinkus | ompaul: squeeze |
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| 06:26.32 | pinkus | ompaul: does mpd support lame in wheezy? |
| 06:26.58 | ompaul | it should do |
| 06:27.08 | ompaul | I don't see why it doesn't in squeeze |
| 06:27.15 | ompaul | goes to investigate |
| 06:28.42 | ompaul | pinkus: you do have lame installed? |
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| 06:30.09 | pinkus | ompaul: i believe i do. i got it from the backports repo since it wasnt on the normal repo |
| 06:30.58 | ompaul | pinkus: ok hang on a sec |
| 06:31.23 | ompaul | pinkus: got lame from backports? |
| 06:31.45 | pinkus | i think i did. since it only found in on apt after i added the backports to my source.list |
| 06:32.00 | ompaul | apt-cache policy lame will tell you |
| 06:32.06 | pinkus | then it installed after i added backports repo |
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| 06:33.05 | pinkus | yep it is installed |
| 06:33.40 | ompaul | pinkus: from? |
| 06:33.41 | pinkus | the output of running "/etc/init.d/mpd start" is the following: Starting Music Player Daemon: mpdoutput: line 222: No such encoder: lame |
| 06:34.01 | pinkus | lame is installed from backports repo. |
| 06:34.08 | pinkus | according to apt-cache |
| 06:34.26 | ompaul | thank you - please stick with only what I ask the rest is noise and side tracking ;-) |
| 06:34.37 | pinkus | ok sorry :) |
| 06:35.08 | ompaul | pastebin in paste.debian.net the following please mpd --version |
| 06:36.00 | ompaul | I'm interested not in your version number it's the full output |
| 06:37.15 | pinkus | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/188559/ |
| 06:37.52 | ompaul | pinkus: looks like you need to compile it in --enable-lame-encoder << that option |
| 06:37.59 | ompaul | for squeeze |
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| 06:38.04 | ompaul | ,versions lame |
| 06:38.05 | judd | Package: lame on i386 -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-backports: 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy: 3.99.5+repack1-3; wheezy-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-0.1; sid-multimedia: 1:3.99.5-dmo1 |
| 06:38.20 | ompaul | ,versions mpd |
| 06:38.21 | judd | Package: mpd on i386 -- lenny: 0.13.2-3lenny1; squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; wheezy: 0.16.7-2; sid: 0.17.1-1 |
| 06:38.57 | ompaul | pinkus: so there was a version of lame in squeeze mm |
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| 06:39.37 | pinkus | it is in the normal repo? |
| 06:39.45 | ompaul | pinkus: yes |
| 06:40.02 | pinkus | ill remove my version of lame and add in the normal one if i can. |
| 06:40.36 | ompaul | well it is squeeze multimedia - which you enable as and when you want but you DISABLE so you don't bring in things you don't want |
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| 06:40.51 | luftikuss | ompaul: Why has /var/log/syslog the owner root? Does Debian not know by default a system user »syslog« in order to simplify reading the syslog? |
| 06:41.11 | rozie | if you got version from squeeze working, I recommend upgrading mpd to newer version (rolling your own backport for example). there was lot of bug fixes/features added when I was using it |
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| 06:41.43 | ompaul | !bpo |
| 06:41.44 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 06:41.45 | rozie | luftikuss: there's adm group |
| 06:42.34 | ompaul | luftikuss: what rozie said - debian is debian, not $distro and maybe it is not appropriate for everyday users to read syslog |
| 06:42.38 | pinkus | ompaul: E: Package 'lame' has no installation candidate |
| 06:42.55 | ompaul | pinkus: I said squeeze multimedia |
| 06:42.56 | ompaul | !mm |
| 06:42.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mm is Myanmar (Burma) |
| 06:42.57 | pinkus | thats the same error i got originally, which caused me to add backports to my source list |
| 06:42.58 | RainbowW | i've got a server going bonkers. it's running 2.6.32-bpo-5-686, and the load average is extremely high. the CPU %wa runs 75+ most of the time in top. i can't see in iotop what's causing this. i shut down mysql and it went away for a bit but reappeared suggestions? i'm now thinking (and testing) apache but that's just a guess. |
| 06:43.03 | ompaul | !multimedia |
| 06:43.03 | dpkg | [dmm] deb-multimedia.org (formerly debian-multimedia.org) is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for legal reasons or because the packages are too poor in quality. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm squeeze>. Remember to include a "non-free" component in your sources.list lines. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>. |
| 06:43.24 | pinkus | oh, multimedia. i havent tried that yet |
| 06:43.34 | ompaul | pinkus: do not leave it enabled |
| 06:43.46 | pinkus | disable multimedia after installing lame? |
| 06:43.53 | ompaul | pinkus: yes |
| 06:44.11 | ompaul | you don't want it "fixing lots" that you don't think needs fixing |
| 06:44.28 | ompaul | pinkus: you are going to have to compile your mpd |
| 06:44.53 | ompaul | pinkus: my sid box has: null vorbis lame wave flac |
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| 06:45.11 | ompaul | pinkus: and if you don't know how to fix a very broken box - don't run sid |
| 06:45.13 | luftikuss | rozie: '/var/log/$ ls -al syslog; -rw-r----- 1 root adm 523183 Sep 8 08:23 syslog'. Is my Debian wheezy/sid not properly configured? |
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| 06:45.26 | ompaul | luftikuss: it is correct |
| 06:45.49 | luftikuss | ompaul: Thank you very much for your information and help. |
| 06:46.23 | pinkus | i've never used sid, only squeeze so far. |
| 06:46.42 | luftikuss | jeep: Thank you for your help. |
| 06:47.28 | ompaul | pinkus: it's not always easy, in fact it breaks now and again, you have to understand how to work it or it will bite you hard and eat your family data and other various things |
| 06:47.39 | pinkus | ok the multimedia lame is installed. i have to install mpd from source? |
| 06:47.48 | ompaul | yes |
| 06:48.04 | ompaul | pinkus: use debian source |
| 06:48.06 | pinkus | do i get the repo source using apt-get source? |
| 06:48.43 | ompaul | pinkus: well assuming you have source repos enabled add the line I gave you as a compile switch |
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| 06:49.59 | pinkus | this is the part i tried earlier and failed at miserably. |
| 06:50.40 | pinkus | i should purge my current mpd package, correct? |
| 06:51.04 | ompaul | it will overwrite but that is not an issue (in theory) |
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| 06:51.50 | pinkus | i add that switch on the ./configure part? |
| 06:51.53 | pinkus | then i do "make"? |
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| 06:53.55 | ompaul | pinkus: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=67187 |
| 06:53.56 | pinkus | ompaul: the ./configure with that switch shows that lame support is enabled. do i dpkg-source the folder now, or should i make && make install? |
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| 06:58.27 | pinkus | ompaul: i did all of that and ran "make && make install" to compile and i get the same "no lame encoder" error when i run /etc/init.d/mpd start |
| 06:58.42 | ompaul | pinkus: read the page I pointed at |
| 06:59.34 | rozie | luftikuss: if you want user to be able to read logs, just add him to adm group |
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| 07:02.53 | himanshu_linux | ? |
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| 07:04.17 | luftikuss | rozie: That worked! Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 07:07.49 | chrisirc | Any ideas? (BTW even just having a command to turn off both LCD+backlight would be useful too sometimes, so that I don't have to close the lid to get that effect.) |
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| 07:09.19 | rozie | BTW, as we're talking about groups. Is there good Debian specific description of all groups? |
| 07:09.39 | rozie | kind of group policy in Debian |
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| 07:22.05 | luftikuss | rozie: I believe that the old Debian reference included a description of groups. You might consider that as a mild form of a policy. |
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| 07:25.09 | AntonioLatrippa | hi |
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| 07:26.17 | luftikuss | Where can I find a list of what programs will the DEB program package task-xfce-desktop install? |
| 07:26.30 | AntonioLatrippa | if i use `dd if=/dev/sdX |pv > /dev/null` on an usb stick, is it equal to the use of `badblocks -v /dev/sdX` (badblocks in read-only mode) ? |
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| 07:26.52 | AntonioLatrippa | i mean: using dd i'll get an error, if a bad block is found, right ? |
| 07:27.53 | AntonioLatrippa | luftikuss: i dont know that program, but i know for sure that you can find a chronology of installed package in /var/log/apt/ |
| 07:28.50 | luftikuss | AntonioLatrippa: Right. But this was not my question. |
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| 07:29.34 | AntonioLatrippa | luftikuss: is that program something like a 'tasksel for xfce' (aka X graphic version) ? |
| 07:29.56 | AntonioLatrippa | or do you mean its dependancies? |
| 07:29.57 | luftikuss | AntonioLatrippa: Yes. |
| 07:30.01 | dax | It isn't a program, it's a metapackage. |
| 07:31.00 | luftikuss | AntonioLatrippa: I'd like to read a list of all its dependencies. |
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| 07:32.19 | dax | amongst other ways, see http://packages.debian.org/task-xfce-desktop |
| 07:33.23 | dax | or "apt-cache depends task-xfce-desktop" |
| 07:34.10 | AntonioLatrippa | luftikuss: try using dpkg or aptitude or apt-get , there's some option to use to see the dependencies of a package. (i think it's dpkg) |
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| 07:34.43 | simonlnu | apt-cache |
| 07:34.49 | AntonioLatrippa | luftikuss: or you can use `apt-get -s package-name` <<------ this 'simulate' , so you can see the dependencies |
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| 07:36.26 | simonlnu | !metapackage |
| 07:36.26 | dpkg | metapackage is, like, a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
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| 07:38.53 | AntonioLatrippa | i've read somewhere that usb sticks have a max write times, after that number of writes those zones will be no longer usable. How many times is that ? |
| 07:39.47 | luftikuss | AntonioLatrippa: You forgot the parameter »install« in your recommendation. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
| 07:40.17 | simonlnu | a lot |
| 07:40.20 | simonlnu | !trim |
| 07:40.49 | AntonioLatrippa | luftikuss: np |
| 07:42.38 | AntonioLatrippa | luftikuss: by the way .. you can simply use `apt-get install task-xfce-desktop` , without the `-s` , to see the dependencies. after that apt-get will ask you if you want to install that package. |
| 07:43.19 | AntonioLatrippa | (there's no need to really install it to see its deps. just press N instead of Y ) |
| 07:43.25 | luftikuss | AntonioLatrippa: Thank you for your additional help. |
| 07:43.58 | AntonioLatrippa | do someone know the answer to my question (about usb sticks) ? |
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| 07:58.05 | luftikuss | Is there a default graphical editor for XFCE? I grepped task-xfce-desktop for »gedit« with no positive result. |
| 07:58.32 | boudiccas | xwrite i think |
| 07:58.52 | dax | luftikuss: no. the Xfce project has mousepad, which is rather simple |
| 07:59.19 | dax | oh, that's recommended in task-xfce-desktop, i see |
| 08:01.16 | dax | there's also leafpad, which is similar to it |
| 08:02.24 | boudiccas | leafpad isn't bad, very useful for most things |
| 08:02.34 | luftikuss | dax: I can confirm that task-xfce-desktop depends on mousepad. I will install mousepad and see if it fits my needs. -- leafpad is no dependency of task-xfce-desktop. |
| 08:04.59 | luftikuss | boudiccas: If your statement is true, why did task-xfce-desktop maintainers not replace mousepad with leafpad? |
| 08:05.03 | babilen | (it is of lxde) |
| 08:05.10 | chrisirc | Wow, answering my own question, this does what I've asked: echo 0 > /sys/devices/pci0000\:00/0000\:00\:02.0/drm/card0/card0-LVDS-1/intel_backlight/brightness |
| 08:05.32 | boudiccas | luftikuss: i dont know, ask them |
| 08:05.39 | chrisirc | (and xset dpms force off answers my second question) |
| 08:06.07 | dax | luftikuss: because mousepad is Xfce's default text editor, and leafpad is not |
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| 08:07.30 | ToApolytoXaos | hello guys. i am having some serious issues with VLC and mplayer when i am forwarding a song a few seconds up. mplayer complains about "mpg123 decoding failed: No stream opened. (code 24)" and VLC throws a segmentation fault. |
| 08:07.51 | ToApolytoXaos | is it possible to have a broken dependency between these two? |
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| 08:08.54 | babilen | ToApolytoXaos: Which versions of those do you have installed? (and which version of Debian do you use?) |
| 08:09.09 | adc | ToApolytoXaos: can you play the song directly with mpg123 without problems? |
| 08:09.23 | ToApolytoXaos | babilen, oh yeah sorry for not letting you know :D i am under wheezy 32-bit with the latest updates. |
| 08:09.28 | babilen | ToApolytoXaos: Does is happen with *every* "song" that uses the same codec, only a single one or regardless of codecs? |
| 08:09.34 | ToApolytoXaos | adc i haven't tried that to be honest |
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| 08:10.46 | ToApolytoXaos | babilen, with VLC it happens with both .mp3 and .mp4, and even sometimes with mkv |
| 08:13.03 | ToApolytoXaos | adc, eemm how to do that if i may? is mpg123 an application i should have installed on my system? |
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| 08:14.29 | adc | ToApolytoXaos: yep, i'm thinking that it might be mpg123 that's broken. The syntax is simple 'mpg123 <file>' |
| 08:14.41 | ToApolytoXaos | it's not available on my system |
| 08:15.50 | adc | try 'apt-get install mpg123' |
| 08:16.12 | ToApolytoXaos | it's something with my repositories. let me check it and i will be right back |
| 08:16.54 | gnarface | adc: i believe we use mpg321 now because mpg123 had a patent-violating implementation of mp3 playback or something |
| 08:18.00 | adc | gnarface: i see. But it seems like ToApolytoXaos' vlc and mplayer are still looking for mpg123 |
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| 08:18.51 | ToApolytoXaos | installed the latest package and VLC still crashes. |
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| 08:19.07 | ronny | hi |
| 08:19.26 | gnarface | adc, ToApolytoXaos maybe its an alternatives thing? |
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| 08:19.29 | gnarface | !alternatives |
| 08:19.29 | dpkg | [alternatives] the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
| 08:19.41 | ronny | im on testing and i want to install iceweasel from the aurora repos - but for some reason apt refuses to install the fit xulrunner |
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| 08:19.50 | ronny | anyone got an idea what im missing? |
| 08:19.59 | ToApolytoXaos | and mplayer continues to produce the same error stream message. |
| 08:20.24 | gnarface | adc, ToApolytoXaos although i would expect that unless something went wrong, simply installing mpg321 should update alternatives automatically, stopping it from looking for mpg123 ... at least in theory |
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| 08:20.58 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, ok i will check it right now |
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| 08:21.46 | quizme | hi |
| 08:22.08 | quizme | i just installed debian, but don't have an "alias" command in /usr/bin |
| 08:22.32 | quizme | where can i find "alias" ? |
| 08:22.32 | ronny | quizme: alias is a shell builtin, not a executable |
| 08:22.40 | forgotten | ya |
| 08:22.48 | quizme | ok |
| 08:22.49 | forgotten | u use alias in like .profile or .bashrc |
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| 08:23.08 | ronny | quizme: what gave you the idea it was a normal command? |
| 08:23.47 | dclarke | Hello. I am on Debian wheezy/sid and want a normal GNOME Desktop however I seem to g4t a bizarre looking desktop with black borders top and bottom and most normal gnomeish stuff is missing entirely .. is there some magic to getting a normal gnome desktop ? |
| 08:23.54 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, i have done it, but i have a libmpg123-0 installed which is used by mplayer i presume, am i right? |
| 08:24.10 | ronny | dclarke: you got a gnome 3 desktop it seems |
| 08:24.15 | dclarke | eeek |
| 08:24.18 | quizme | i am setting some aliases in .bashrc but the aliases that i set in .bashrc are not available after i ssh into my server |
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| 08:24.34 | quizme | do i need #!/bin/bash at the top of ~/.bashrc ? |
| 08:24.42 | dclarke | ronny, gnome 3 has a bizarre and dead black border top and bottom to which one cna not apply widgets etc ? |
| 08:24.51 | ronny | quizme: you need the same in the servers bashrc |
| 08:25.05 | ronny | dclarke: its a rather different ui |
| 08:25.13 | ronny | dclarke: i suppose you want a classical gnome? |
| 08:25.13 | dclarke | ronny, right |
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| 08:25.16 | boudiccas | dclarke: have a look at xfce as an alternative to gnome3 |
| 08:25.19 | dclarke | ronny, yes please |
| 08:25.26 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, yep I think I got it right "Selected audio codec: [mpg123] afm: mpg123 (MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 layers I, II, III)" |
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| 08:25.38 | ronny | dclarke: im not sure how to get classical gnome, i took the occasion to switch to xfce |
| 08:25.45 | dclarke | boudiccas, no thanks .. can't do that .. am in the middle of a dev project and I just wnat a normal old fashion gnome with crux .. |
| 08:25.57 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: well i suppose it largely depends on if you compiled mplayer to do that and whether mplayer can be compliled to do that or not (mine isn't, i don't have one, mine works) maybe you should be using the debian versions of all this stuff instead of trying to mish-mash together a bunch of random different distributions? |
| 08:26.12 | quizme | ronny: what is the "servers bashrc"? |
| 08:26.18 | dclarke | oh hell .. you mean to say that gnome on wheezy is totally differnt from stable and I'm screwed wit hthis ? |
| 08:26.42 | ronny | quizme: ssh runs a shell on a different computer, you need to have the aliases in the bashrc of that one |
| 08:26.44 | boudiccas | dclarke: you can choose gnome-classical when you login |
| 08:27.07 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, i don't know what gave you that impression that i mix different distros, but all i do is opening synaptic and find the package i am looking for and install it, that it! |
| 08:27.08 | quizme | ronny: they are there |
| 08:27.11 | dclarke | boudiccas, well .. tried that .. and got an even uglier looking weird interface .. it was like gdm was ignoring my request |
| 08:27.23 | boudiccas | dclarke: yes, stable has gnome2 whereas wheezy has gnome3 |
| 08:27.38 | dclarke | however .. I'll try agian .. I have a full backup of my home ddir from my old stable machine .. maybe I have to restore totally or some weeirdness |
| 08:27.52 | ronny | quizme: in what file? |
| 08:28.12 | dclarke | boudiccas, well, maybe people would lean from the microsoft mistakes .. don't change the user interface and leave them with no way back |
| 08:28.23 | quizme | ronny: ~/.bashrc |
| 08:28.38 | dclarke | mutters .. I should format to the ground and install stable again |
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| 08:28.57 | ronny | quizme: are you absolutely sure that that file is the same on the remote box? |
| 08:29.10 | dclarke | ookay .. going to logout and see if I can get my old desktop back |
| 08:29.26 | dclarke | utters curses and emacs |
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| 08:30.32 | quizme | oh yeah sorry PIBCAC |
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| 08:30.55 | dclarke | returns .. still unhappy at new interface |
| 08:31.13 | dclarke | looks like there is no way back to gnome classic .. am screwed on this I guess |
| 08:31.27 | boudiccas | dclarke: yes, i was unhappy with gnome3 too, so i switched to xfce and its working well |
| 08:31.47 | dclarke | boudiccas, I am beginning to see your point |
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| 08:32.03 | dclarke | okay .. I'll install xfce and give it a try |
| 08:32.06 | boudiccas | xfce will utilise your gnome menus |
| 08:32.14 | dclarke | aaawwwsome |
| 08:32.22 | dclarke | boudiccas, thank you |
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| 08:32.31 | boudiccas | dclarke: you're welcome |
| 08:33.06 | dclarke | boudiccas, I want to meet the guy that decided to stick in gnome 3 into wheezy and not allow for gnome 2.x to be installed ! |
| 08:33.46 | boudiccas | dclarke: i'm afraid that you'll have to join a queue, and you'll be at the end of a long queue too. |
| 08:34.02 | dclarke | seriously .. I agree |
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| 08:34.43 | boudiccas | dclarke: i think xfce is the way forward for wheezy, and its very adaptable too |
| 08:35.05 | babilen | dclarke: Debian just ships the newest gnome releases. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that and Gnome3 is not nearly as bad as you make it sound. But you can always choose something else (LXDE, XFCE, ...) and be happy. |
| 08:35.07 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, what you have stated before about using mpg321 (patent violating implementation comment), it seems that mpg123 now is LGPL'ed. |
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| 08:35.58 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: so you're saying these are 100% all native debian packages from your current version? nothing is hand compiled or downloaded directly from the VLC repo or anything? all i'm saying is you don't *need* mpg123 and i don't have it and i can play mp3s fine with vlc |
| 08:36.12 | dclarke | babilen, while I agree that a new thing is not a bad thing, a change to the users interface is *always* a bad thing if you give them no option backwards to what they are accustomed to. No I no longer use a vt100 terminal however I do expect GNOME 2.x to at least be avail |
| 08:36.31 | babilen | dclarke: Either way: We are *very* tired of this discussion and there is nothing that will change so we can just drop it now. It is certainly not a Debian conspiracy and saying things like "the guy who let gnome3 into wheezy" is just ridiculous as it implies that the reasonable action would have been to *not* ship current releases from upstream. |
| 08:36.37 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, no i did not install anything at all. yes i have installed them from debian repositories |
| 08:36.45 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: something clearly has gone wrong but its not the type of thing that typically goes wrong unless you're doing something weird to the dependency tree |
| 08:37.00 | babilen | dclarke: This has nothing to do with Debian though. |
| 08:37.04 | ToApolytoXaos | most probably has something to do with broken packages somewhere |
| 08:37.06 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: which debian version did you say this was again? also, could you please pastebin your sources.list? |
| 08:37.20 | dclarke | babilen, you are beeing infantile in your logic. Providing the latest is a good thing. However taking away a stable and well used desktop from the user is always a bad thing |
| 08:38.29 | gnarface | frankly i can't disagree with him |
| 08:39.14 | babilen | dclarke: It happened before (gnome1 -> gnome2 for example) and what would have been the alternative in this case? Debian maintaining a no longer maintained *huge* number of packages itself? |
| 08:39.20 | gnarface | babilen: he's gone |
| 08:39.30 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, Debian wheezy 32-bit http://paste.debian.net/188568/ |
| 08:39.36 | gnarface | babilen: that's what suse appears to be doing... |
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| 08:40.23 | frogg | Hello. I'd like to move from nfs3 to nfs4, but apparently that requires me to move my shared under a single root. How do I do that without rebooting my server? |
| 08:40.34 | frogg | `exportfs -ua' does nothing |
| 08:40.35 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: you have debian-multimedia. you are mixing distros. |
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| 08:40.51 | frogg | No matter how hard I try, it doesn't unexport my shares |
| 08:40.52 | ToApolytoXaos | ah multimedia is causing the trouble? |
| 08:41.05 | frogg | and I don't want to resort to rebooting |
| 08:41.11 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: those are non standard packages bro. totally independent 3rd party. unsupported. |
| 08:41.39 | babilen | gnarface: Debian's GNOME team neither has the manpower nor the intention to do it. There are wonderful alternatives to Gnome3 and a seizable number of maintainers is quite happy with Gnome3 as it removes a lot of warts in its codebase. |
| 08:41.45 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: in fact they've recently been forced to change their name do "deb-multimedia" you may have heard (this is to try to avoid giving the impression its a legitimiate part of debian) |
| 08:41.50 | ToApolytoXaos | i remember installing it for installing a few packages i wanted |
| 08:42.07 | ToApolytoXaos | yeah i have modified my sources too |
| 08:42.10 | gnarface | babilen: you're preaching to the choir. gnome 1 was too crappy for me. |
| 08:42.33 | gnarface | babilen: i think they should remove them all from debian frankly. that project is a liablity |
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| 08:44.04 | tremon | frogg: use bind mounts |
| 08:44.47 | frogg | tremon: I'm using bind mounts. How do I remove my older exports to make the bind mounts work? Do I delete my rmtab? |
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| 08:46.21 | tremon | frogg: have you tried editing /etc/exports, then exportfs -vr ? |
| 08:46.33 | tremon | I'm not sure exportfs -ua will unexport all |
| 08:46.45 | tremon | I thought exportfs -u always needed an argument |
| 08:46.58 | luluganeta | hi all, can someone point me where i should start reading about creating a custom version of debian with a particular selection of packages+config? (google is confusing me) |
| 08:47.20 | ronny | again - how the heck can i install iceweasel aurora from the debian mozilla repos? |
| 08:47.45 | frogg | tremon: Yes. Well, I managed to unexport all by emptying my rmtab. Now I can't export anything. :D |
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| 08:48.38 | ToApolytoXaos | can someone stop joesph from trolling me in private messages please? He insists that I am talking to him whereas I am not! |
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| 08:49.17 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: hey he's trolling you too? he's doing that to me, but his pastebins are too fast i think it may be bot driven |
| 08:49.18 | tremon | I thought rmtab was a list of all current client mounts, not all current exports |
| 08:49.32 | ToApolytoXaos | it's not even in the channel |
| 08:49.32 | gnarface | anyone else here getting trolled by joesph? |
| 08:49.37 | tremon | so you've only made your server forget about current clients |
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| 08:50.06 | tremon | etab is the list of current exports |
| 08:51.18 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, he insists that you are talking to him. i have replied to him in Greek language but with English characters so I can see what f..k he is! |
| 08:51.44 | frogg | tremon: Essentially, I'm getting No such file or directory when I try to mount it over nfs4 (nfs3 works fine) |
| 08:52.10 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, it's a person who controls it and not a bot because he delayed a lot to reply and now he told me "English please" |
| 08:52.24 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: yea just an annoying troll. probably this guy TheSarge from a few nights ago seeking global revenge on #d* for having been banned |
| 08:52.38 | tremon | frogg: paste your /etc/exports and exportfs -v on the server, command (with -vv) and output from the client |
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| 08:52.53 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, another script kiddie? |
| 08:52.56 | tremon | I'd always start with trying to mount from the server btw |
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| 08:53.45 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: yea that's my guess at least. i recommend ignoring him |
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| 08:57.05 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: i think i just got a bunch of your txt |
| 08:57.32 | frogg | tremon: http://pastebin.com/EE3r0v0U |
| 08:57.44 | gnarface | !ops joesph (an annoying bot that is not in channel but is clearly being controlled by someone who is) |
| 08:57.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: gnarface complains about: joesph (an annoying bot that is not in channel but is clearly being controlled by someone who is) |
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| 08:57.55 | frogg | tremon: The same command with nfsvers=3 succeeds |
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| 08:59.01 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: i just got a bunch of greek txt from you through it i think. haha |
| 08:59.33 | frogg | tremon: The options in my fstab are intr,nfsvers=4 |
| 08:59.41 | ToApolytoXaos | gnarface, pardon?! |
| 09:00.00 | gnarface | ToApolytoXaos: the greek txt you said you sent joesph... i think he just dumped it at me |
| 09:00.21 | ToApolytoXaos | it's English characters but can get read as Greek |
| 09:00.26 | ToApolytoXaos | we call it Greeklish |
| 09:00.43 | babilen | gnarface: PM ok? |
| 09:02.54 | tremon | frogg: the mount paths in nfs4 are different, because of fsid=0 (virtual root). You need mount -t nfs4 server:/yyyy/shared |
| 09:03.00 | tremon | lose the /export/ |
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| 09:03.11 | gnarface | babilen: sorry yea i'll keep it on-topic. |
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| 09:10.46 | ronny | again, where can i obtain a xulrunner-17.0 package for the iceweasel aurora builds? it seems that even unstable has only 16.* |
| 09:12.03 | frogg | tremon: Oh, thanks :) |
| 09:12.53 | ronny | hmmm |
| 09:12.59 | ronny | weird, now it work |
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| 09:16.53 | luluganeta | hi, i want to make a custom version of Debian, with a specific set of packages *and* tailored config files. Is it Debian Pure Blends that I should be looking at? |
| 09:17.24 | luluganeta | (i get that blends are the choice for a custom set of packages, but couldn't find any reference about including custom configs) |
| 09:19.49 | enlightified | the forum is very quite so I am sending out my love to everyone just to recoup some of the bandwidth. fishsh fishshs (that's the sound of me sending out my love). |
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| 09:23.33 | enlightified | \msg gnarface The Idea of the bot is very clever, by acting as a relay between two people it doesn't have to know how to speak a language. |
| 09:24.40 | themill | the difference between \ and / is so subtle :) |
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| 09:28.32 | frogg | OK, another question. If /export/x/y is owner by user:user and has mode 710, mount works. If I set the *same* mode on /export/x (and that's not a separate export) it doesn't |
| 09:28.38 | enlightified | sublte but important :). My bad. |
| 09:28.50 | frogg | Context: I'm exporting using nfs4 |
| 09:30.13 | lauris | anyone here using btrfs on squeeze? |
| 09:30.26 | frogg | lauris: Unfortunately... |
| 09:30.36 | lauris | unfortunately yes ? :) |
| 09:30.38 | lauris | or no? |
| 09:30.44 | frogg | lauris: Unfortunately yes :) |
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| 09:30.58 | lauris | what's so unfortunate about it? |
| 09:31.01 | lauris | is it unstable? |
| 09:31.05 | frogg | lauris: Although I switched the system to a wheezy kernel, so it is not technically squeeze anymore (and I'm using btrfs progs from git) |
| 09:31.25 | frogg | lauris: btrfs? Pretty much :) |
| 09:32.46 | lauris | then why are you using it? |
| 09:32.56 | frogg | lauris: IIRC, it has some terrible corruption bugs in older kernels (at least that's what I think destroyed my 4x1TB RAID10 btrfs array - there seem to be some corruption bugs fixed in the changelog), |
| 09:33.27 | lauris | what if used without raid, just as a plain partition with compression enabled |
| 09:33.38 | lauris | that's the only reason why i'm considering it |
| 09:33.49 | frogg | lauris: Well, it takes efford to change file systems :) For now, I've duct taped it - I have a separate filesystem to which I'm rsyncing all my snapshots, in case the array goes down I can start from there :) |
| 09:34.56 | lauris | would it cause me any problems? |
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| 09:35.15 | lauris | without any advanced configuration |
| 09:35.24 | frogg | lauris: The help in menuconfig in 3.6 and the btrfs wiki say it's experimental and dangerous. I would trust them. (I didn't once, I lost a month worth of data) |
| 09:35.52 | frogg | By 3.6 I mean linux 3.6 |
| 09:35.57 | lauris | I understand |
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| 09:38.01 | Guest91997 | Hallo, ich bin Hitler. |
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| 09:39.58 | frogg | I don't believe that. I think the irssi on wheezy still doesn't support time-displaced messages. |
| 09:40.53 | lauris | frogg, any other alternatives that would support compression at fs level? have you tried ZFS on linux/. |
| 09:40.54 | lauris | ? |
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| 09:41.54 | frogg | lauris: Yes, I'm using zfs on my desktop (with compression enabled) |
| 09:42.08 | lauris | is it stable? |
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| 09:44.11 | frogg | lauris: I migrated my pool to zfsonlinux yesterday. (It was in storage for a year, and zfs-fuse before that) I would believe so, but I can't tell. I can tell that snapdir=visible support is unstable, though. |
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| 09:47.05 | frogg | lauris: We did some attempts to break it at work, and it seemed to work better than btrfs (which was silently ignoring disk failures in a very nasty way), but that doesn't give you any guarantees. My suggestion: if you have a handy backup option, go with zfs |
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| 09:47.43 | tremon | just out of interest, what would filesystem-level compression achieve? I know what it does, but in my experience 90% of my data is uncompressible |
| 09:47.48 | lauris | i'm wondering why ext4 does not support any kind of data compression |
| 09:48.02 | lauris | tremon, it depends on data |
| 09:48.19 | tremon | of course. but what kind of bulk data is uncompressible? |
| 09:48.26 | lauris | when I tested zfs on freebsd where it's support is native, I've got 10% compression level |
| 09:48.44 | lauris | meaning 1TB of data was compressed into 100G |
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| 09:49.00 | tremon | lauris: then, what kind of data? |
| 09:49.01 | frogg | tremon: compressratio for /home 1.3, compressratio for /warehouse (mostly photos, music and videos), 1.01 |
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| 09:49.41 | tremon | yes. problem is that on my system, music and photos are about 90% of storage use |
| 09:49.46 | frogg | tremon: Also compression works as a way to auto-detect sparse files and volumes |
| 09:50.16 | tremon | ok, I can see that would be useful for hosting vm nodes |
| 09:50.22 | lauris | in my case it's logs |
| 09:50.45 | lauris | mp3s and videos is already very much compressed |
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| 09:53.05 | frogg | lauris: Also, is this a situation in which you can't use logrotate with compression enabled? :) |
| 09:53.58 | lauris | it's mysql's binlog |
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| 09:55.06 | frogg | Oh, I hate those :) By the way, my /var/lib/mysql compressratio is 2.51 (with no binlogs in it) |
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| 09:56.53 | frogg | I had a system which had binlogs on by default without it being a replication setup, and at the time I didn't know what that was, and I couldn't figure out why my disk was filling up :) |
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| 09:59.58 | ImaLamer | I'm having errors with sasl trying to use pam_mysql authentication, but I can't find where where it's defined - any clues? |
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| 10:01.11 | tremon | ImaLamer: don't know where sasl is configured, but pam is in /etc/pam.d/<service> |
| 10:01.38 | ImaLamer | I assumed it was postfix, but don't see it anywhere , seems to be attached to an old webmail prog maybe? |
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| 10:03.15 | ImaLamer | the login attempts fail, so I'm okay, but OSSEC hates it |
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| 10:14.48 | luftikuss | "sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts." After what latency can I retry? |
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| 10:18.09 | movl | immediately |
| 10:18.25 | aidalgol | luftikuss: You can try again right away. It just sends a notice to root. |
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| 10:18.40 | aidalgol | Which doesn't matter if it's your own system. |
| 10:19.02 | luftikuss | aidalgol: Thank you for your advice. |
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| 10:47.20 | papiewski | Can't locate SVN/Core.pm |
| 10:47.36 | papiewski | which package contains this ? |
| 10:48.47 | tremon | ,file SVN/Core.pm |
| 10:48.53 | judd | Search for SVN/Core.pm in squeeze/i386: libsvn-perl: usr/lib/perl5/SVN/Core.pm |
| 10:50.13 | papiewski | judd: i have libsvn-perl it has worked until today |
| 10:50.14 | judd | No package named 'have' was found in squeeze/i386. |
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| 10:52.00 | salvo | ciao |
| 10:52.03 | salvo | !lista |
| 10:52.14 | papiewski | I making git svn fetch, maybe update will help |
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| 10:58.50 | TopGear | Hi people. I'm installing Debian on my NAS (QNAP TS209 PRO). I'm not new to Linux, but I'm new to RAID. I'd like to configure my harddrives as one big one. I have to 1TBs in there, and I'd like it to show up as one 2TB in my network. Is that possible? |
| 11:00.08 | Guest54670 | TopGear: configure it as raid 0 - but if one of the drives die your data is lost! |
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| 11:01.02 | tremon | my recommendation would be to not use raid at all. use pvcreate to create two lvm volumes, and join them together in a single volume group |
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| 11:01.53 | FDFlock | Jesus! Wheezy still has Eclipse 3.8 instead of 4.2. I tried it and the plugins I need are in compatible, because EVERYONE has skipped compatibility with 3.8 and supports 4.2 (and rightly so). What a load of... |
| 11:01.57 | FDFlock | Ironically, "compatibility" seemed to be the whole point of 3.8 anyway. And the version bump request on the Debian bugtracker is already 2 months old. |
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| 11:02.11 | TopGear | tremon: Alright, new territory to me. I'm, to be honest, quite the noob at manual partitioning. So what you are saying is to make them look "merged" but in fact they're not? |
| 11:02.20 | FDFlock | tremon: Wouldn 't raid0 be faster, though? |
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| 11:02.57 | tremon | no, they're still merged, just not entangled as you would with raid-0 |
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| 11:03.29 | tremon | the difference is only superficial though, as you would need a filesystem expert to recover the still-functioning half with lvm too |
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| 11:03.54 | tremon | it's just theoretically possible, whereas with raid-0 you automatically lose all files larger than the stripe size |
| 11:04.23 | tremon | FDFlock: raid-0 would be faster, yes |
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| 11:04.37 | uhwhatlol | Hello, Every Time I Try And Install Debian I Get An Error! |
| 11:04.50 | FDFlock | tremon: I agree, I'd never use RAID0 |
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| 11:06.46 | FDFlock | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.20 | FDFlock | I guess it would be slower, but more flexible. The real question is whether it would be as reliable as Linux software RAID1... |
| 11:08.32 | tremon | I wouldn't recommend lvm mirroring |
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| 11:09.40 | tremon | problem is that lvm needs a third location for keeping mirror logs, which means you either do it in memory (always full rebuild after reboot), put it on a third disk, or sacrifice some space on one of the mirrored disks |
| 11:09.53 | uhwhatlol | RAID7FTW |
| 11:10.56 | FDFlock | Oh yeah, right. But if we assume there's a 3rd disk (a reliable SSD), are there still reasons to be against it? |
| 11:11.11 | tremon | not that I can think of |
| 11:11.23 | FDFlock | Thanks |
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| 11:24.12 | TopGear | I did it! Two drives, one partition each, RAID0. |
| 11:24.47 | TopGear | Is BTRFS stable? |
| 11:25.33 | TopGear | Hold on - I need to be able to write to it via Windows. |
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| 11:27.22 | tremon | TopGear: you just said it's a nas? |
| 11:27.38 | TopGear | tremon: Yes, with music and videos. |
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| 11:28.19 | tremon | then windows only needs access to the networked filesystem, not the disks, right? |
| 11:28.50 | TopGear | That's right. Windows only needs to do some R/W on the filesystems, not the HDs itself. |
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| 11:30.26 | tremon | then windows should influence your choice of filesystem, only how you present it to the network (which will probably be through samba) |
| 11:30.40 | tremon | argh... s/should/&n't/ |
| 11:30.49 | TopGear | should not. |
| 11:30.50 | TopGear | Okay. |
| 11:31.01 | TopGear | BTRFS or EXT4, what do you suggest? |
| 11:31.31 | tremon | I'd choose ext4, unless you are diligent about backups |
| 11:31.49 | tremon | there are no known issues with btrfs, but it's still an experimental filesystem |
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| 11:38.19 | MySystem | hello i try to add a service to the startup and shutdown, so it starts with server and stops, the service works if i type it in terminal. the script is located in /etc/init.d so i tried adding (as readme said) with "update-rc.d -n minecraft defaults" as root output was http://pastebin.com/63DD5miY. The prob nothing happens at startup, at shutdown don't know because i dont wont to kill the app if the script dont works. for understanding the |
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| 11:40.27 | tremon | MySystem: did you notice the "dryrun, not creating [...]" ? |
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| 11:40.55 | MySystem | yes but dont understand i can say iam nearly a noob |
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| 11:41.38 | tremon | try man update-rc.d, and read what the -n switch does |
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| 11:41.58 | MySystem | k short reading |
| 11:42.09 | tremon | it's just one line :) |
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| 11:43.23 | MySystem | -n Don't do anything, just show what we would do. *laugh* |
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| 11:45.34 | MySystem | ok now without -n but is this a succes output?:"update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing" |
| 11:46.04 | heoa | Where does startup command exist? |
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| 11:46.28 | tremon | you should be able to verify that /etc/rc2.d/S19minecraft now exists |
| 11:46.30 | heoa | setxkbmap -option grp:caps_toggle -variant dvorak-intl,nodeadkeys, us,de,no & <--- I want that this command is run in startup |
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| 11:47.12 | tremon | heoa: for you or for all users? |
| 11:47.23 | heoa | tremon: for all users |
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| 11:47.52 | MySystem | very nice it exists will now try it by rebooting lots of thx |
| 11:48.01 | tremon | heoa: /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 11:48.55 | heoa | tremon: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start this one? |
| 11:49.49 | tremon | creating a new file in that directory is the better option |
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| 11:50.25 | Zentaur | hello |
| 11:50.56 | Zentaur | I dowloaded debian xfce live, tryed it and now I'm installing |
| 11:51.12 | heoa | tremon: I created a file /etc/X11/Xsession.d/keyboard |
| 11:51.25 | tremon | heoa: I'd advise you to start your file with number 39, so that users can still override your defaults with their own .xsessionrc |
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| 11:51.29 | heoa | then added "exec keyboard" to the 99x11-common_start -file, correct? |
| 11:51.31 | eXeC001er | Hello |
| 11:51.44 | tremon | heoa: no, that last is not correct |
| 11:51.53 | Zentaur | the net is configured but it fails when i must choose copy on the net (a repository I think) |
| 11:52.13 | Zentaur | if i ignore it then the grub installation fails too |
| 11:52.28 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.40 | Zentaur | can anybody help me with this issue? |
| 11:52.43 | eXeC001er | Could somebody say me why 'aptitude' tries to remove *wicd* packages on Wheezy ? |
| 11:53.07 | MySystem | ok startup works what is rc2.d is this init 2 ? if yes where should i look for shutdown if it exists |
| 11:53.27 | heoa | tremon: like this 39x11-keyboard ? |
| 11:53.51 | heoa | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/39x11-keyboard |
| 11:54.42 | tremon | heoa: yes |
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| 11:55.21 | tremon | MySystem: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-and-ubuntu-linux-run-levels.html |
| 11:55.27 | heoa | tremon: now just reboot? |
| 11:55.35 | heoa | or do I need to run some command? |
| 11:56.28 | MySystem | ah the number in rc#.d is realy the runlvl |
| 11:56.44 | tremon | heoa: just restarting X should be enough, but I'm not sure if you can use exec in the Xsession scripts |
| 11:56.52 | tremon | I'd try without an explicit exec first |
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| 11:57.15 | MySystem | so i should look at rc6.d thx |
| 11:57.32 | tremon | MySystem: yes, 6 for reboot, 0 for poweroff |
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| 11:57.42 | arakno | o_O cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-meabi=4" |
| 11:57.42 | arakno | config.c:1: error: bad value (armv7tl) for -mtune= switch |
| 11:58.10 | arakno | armv7l -_- |
| 11:58.52 | boudiccas | arakno: please use a past site like dpaste instead of randomly pasting in the channel |
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| 11:59.03 | MySystem | realy nice another day in linux another thing i learned i love it thx |
| 11:59.25 | boudiccas | paste |
| 11:59.29 | luftikuss | How can I navigate in Iceweasel back to the previously visited ("parent") Web page? (In Firefox on a Thinkpad I could press the XF86Forward keyboard key.) |
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| 11:59.54 | heoa | tremon: did not run the script |
| 12:00.31 | tremon | luftikuss: about:config, item browser.backspace_action |
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| 12:01.10 | tremon | for some reason mozilla thought it would be nice for windows users to tie the backspace key to the "back" command, and for unix users to tie the backspace key to "page up" |
| 12:02.00 | MySystem | have a nice day you all |
| 12:02.02 | tremon | heoa: hrm, it should have. Can you put some diagnostic there, like "touch /tmp/I_really_did_run" ? |
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| 12:02.41 | tremon | then again, I've never really done this system-wide, maybe someone else has a better solution |
| 12:03.00 | heoa | tremon: touch /tmp/I_really_did-run? |
| 12:04.08 | tremon | heoa: well, something like that. I would use an echo, but I'm not sure if the output of xsession scripts is logged somewhere, so creating a file is a second-best |
| 12:04.41 | tremon | luftikuss: at least, that's what I do ;) |
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| 12:05.56 | tremon | heoa: the goal is to test whether the script isn't read, or whether its settings are overwritten somewhere else |
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| 12:17.57 | heoa | tremon: how can I restart X without rebooting? |
| 12:18.26 | tremon | heoa: restart your display manager (e.g. service gdm3 restart) |
| 12:19.10 | bolt | is there a professional way of sending an email when someone logs in via ssh on a server? i've seen so many stupid .bashrc and sshrc hacks my eyes bleed |
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| 12:21.11 | tremon | bolt: what's professional? I can think of a third solution, but it's even uglier |
| 12:21.21 | tremon | at least it doesn't depend on the user's config |
| 12:21.42 | blubberdiblub | bolt, i'm pretty sure there's a pam module that allows you to do that. or you could monitor and parse auth.log. or you could set up your logging demon to execute a program when an auth line is to be logged |
| 12:22.11 | nkuttler | bolt: yeah, probably hook into pam |
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| 12:22.13 | bolt | tremon: I am currently screwing around with libpam-script to do it. at least it catches logins that never start a command but only do a port forward, for instance |
| 12:23.00 | bolt | still seemed like something someone must have needed before i did though, so i guess what i meant by "professional" was "something included in debian that already has this kind of functionality without needing to write a script" |
| 12:23.13 | heoa | tremon: the script gets run but it is overwritten by something |
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| 12:23.30 | heoa | tremon: perhaps kbd -settings are defined elsewhere? |
| 12:24.04 | tremon | heoa: perhaps by a later script. Rename the 39 to 98, that should make it run (almost) last |
| 12:24.31 | tremon | btw, keyboard layout can be configured system-wide by console-setup. I thought that your script did more than just that, though |
| 12:25.56 | heoa | tremon: console-setup? I don't have such command |
| 12:26.26 | abrotman | package, not command |
| 12:26.34 | tremon | heoa: it's a package. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 12:27.00 | abrotman | bolt: why would you want to be notified? |
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| 12:29.33 | bolt | abrotman: it's a server where several people maintain a service it runs. if it breaks down, it sends an email. now, when someone logs in to fix it, it sends an email too |
| 12:30.03 | bizhanMona | Hello, I just downloaded squeeze-custom-am64-315.iso, how could I find out the list of the packages with their licenses? thx |
| 12:30.21 | abrotman | bolt: why not just email when then service returns instead of when a person logs on? |
| 12:30.47 | abrotman | bizhanMona: copyright files after install |
| 12:30.54 | heoa | tremon: # dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 12:30.55 | heoa | WARNING: Unknown X keysym "dead_belowcomma" |
| 12:30.58 | bolt | abrotman: then you get several people fixing it at once if they don't bother checking. it's just more output. not critical, but neat. |
| 12:31.19 | heoa | tremon: the 98 -file did get overwritten by something or did not run |
| 12:31.25 | abrotman | bizhanMona: otherwise, see packages.debian.org |
| 12:31.37 | luftikuss | tremon: browser.backspace_action: "Status=default, Type=integer, Value=2." Can you elaborate what that means? |
| 12:31.53 | bizhanMona | abrotman: Where would be the location of the copyright files? |
| 12:32.40 | abrotman | bizhanMona: /usr/share/doc/(pkgname) |
| 12:32.54 | tremon | luftikuss: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=browser.backspace_action |
| 12:32.57 | bizhanMona | abrotman: thx |
| 12:33.11 | tremon | argh |
| 12:33.19 | tremon | let's take the direct link : |
| 12:33.20 | tremon | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action |
| 12:33.38 | abrotman | bolt: hrm .. okay .. but does your script only email when the service is down and someone logs in ? |
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| 12:34.17 | bolt | abrotman: currently, whenever someone logs in. still working on it. but that machine only runs that service, so it doesn't really make a difference. people don't log in to hang around :) |
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| 12:34.19 | abrotman | bolt: is it easy to get the service started again? |
| 12:34.28 | bolt | abrotman: not always |
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| 12:35.27 | abrotman | ah, okay .. i was going to ask about using runit or monit .. but okay |
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| 12:48.35 | luftikuss | tremon: This works all right. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 13:31.09 | grothend1eck | Hi, I have been trying to get debian to work on a MacMini 5,2 (Mid-2011, ATI Graphics Card) but am having problems with Xorg and video drivers |
| 13:32.28 | grothend1eck | wondering if anybody knows (a) if I should use the proprietary ATI driver and (b) if I need to pass an special kernel parameters at boot time for video to work correctly |
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| 13:33.04 | grothend1eck | this is my graphics card: AMD Radeon HD 6630M 256 MB |
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| 13:35.16 | grothend1eck | after fresh minimal install (no X), I installed xorg and xfce4 and it worked -- but it didn't detect my dual monitor config or the native resolution (1920x1080) for my main monitor |
| 13:36.27 | grothend1eck | then I installed the flgrx proprietary ATI driver, rebooted and when login 'startx' it goes to a black screen and I can;t switch to a tty (though I think beause the Fn keys don't automatically work on a mac keyboard) |
| 13:36.27 | boudiccas | grothend1eck: define 'worked' please? and what version of debian are you using? |
| 13:36.32 | grothend1eck | 6.0.5 |
| 13:36.52 | grothend1eck | it worked meaning it loaded the desktop environment and X started without errors |
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| 13:37.25 | grothend1eck | What I want to do is remove the flgrx and all proprietary drivers and revert to a vanilla non-tainted Linux kernel |
| 13:37.54 | grothend1eck | and see if I can get the free radeon drivers to work for dual-head monitors and support native resolution |
| 13:38.04 | grothend1eck | I don't need or care about 3D acceleration |
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| 13:38.59 | grothend1eck | Would it be faster/easier to just reinstall Debian or recompile the kernel? |
| 13:39.26 | nsadmin | just got here... but, why would you want to do either? |
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| 13:40.05 | grothend1eck | I installed proprietary ATI drivers that I think cause X to crash |
| 13:40.13 | grothend1eck | and I don't want to use them anyway |
| 13:40.25 | nsadmin | just looking at effort, compililng the kernel is probably the larger effort |
| 13:41.30 | grothend1eck | Hm |
| 13:41.50 | grothend1eck | I've compiled a kernel before, so it's not something I'm afraid of doing |
| 13:41.50 | nsadmin | you could generate the xorg.conf and look for where the driver is specified |
| 13:42.26 | grothend1eck | I ran 'aticonfig --initial' and it told me something 'unable to locate resource' |
| 13:42.48 | grothend1eck | I'm on a debian VM in OS X right now so I don't have the exact error |
| 13:43.05 | grothend1eck | but following the proprietary ATI wiki documentation did not work |
| 13:43.19 | nsadmin | a vm? does it have access to actual hardware |
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| 13:43.32 | grothend1eck | Yes, I believe so |
| 13:43.38 | grothend1eck | is checking |
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| 13:44.16 | grothend1eck | Ugh, no it does not :( |
| 13:44.24 | grothend1eck | VMwarez |
| 13:44.36 | grothend1eck | 00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMware SVGA II Adapter |
| 13:44.50 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 13:44.52 | thewanderer1 | use VMware drivers, not $your_GPU_vendor, then |
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| 13:45.06 | infinity0 | why does read -r behave differently in bash vs dash? |
| 13:45.07 | grothend1eck | Heh, the VM works fine! |
| 13:45.24 | grothend1eck | It's the native install on another partition I am having problems with! |
| 13:46.20 | grothend1eck | infinity0: because dash is a descendent of ash |
| 13:46.31 | nsadmin | it would be helpful if you were to boot into that in case runtime info would assist in getting your drivers working |
| 13:46.38 | infinity0 | which one is POSIXly correct? |
| 13:46.45 | grothend1eck | infinity0: it is an Almquist shell, not a Bourne shell |
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| 13:48.10 | grothend1eck | infinity0: infinity0: I'm not sure which is Posix but you can set bash compatibility in dash with the shebang line #!/usr/bin/env bash |
| 13:48.39 | tremon | grothend1eck: that's not bash compatibility, that's using bash |
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| 13:49.07 | grothend1eck | infinity0: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Bash-POSIX-Mode.html |
| 13:49.15 | grothend1eck | set -o posix |
| 13:49.20 | grothend1eck | and see how 'read -r' behaves |
| 13:49.28 | infinity0 | ah thanks |
| 13:49.36 | grothend1eck | np |
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| 13:53.58 | grothend1eck | according to the X.org wiki, the radeon drivers should work actually |
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| 13:54.23 | grothend1eck | then last question -- in the xfce4 display configuration, the only resolutions I can pick for my monitor are ridiculously low |
| 13:54.33 | grothend1eck | does that have anything to do at all with what X will support? |
| 13:54.48 | grothend1eck | i.e., if I go and edit xorg.conf by hand and set the resolution to something reasonable |
| 13:54.56 | grothend1eck | then that should work? |
| 13:55.36 | h2o_____ | did you used command aticonfig --initial to make the xorg file ? |
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| 13:55.58 | grothend1eck | h2o_____: yes, I ran it in a virtual tty like the documentation instructed |
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| 13:56.09 | grothend1eck | Xorg was not running and I Was root |
| 13:56.56 | grothend1eck | aticonfig: No supported adapters detected |
| 13:56.58 | grothend1eck | was the error |
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| 13:57.26 | h2o_____ | what driver do you use radeonhd or fglrx ? |
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| 13:58.50 | h2o_____ | for my radeon on an amd-e350 i have to use the driver/package : fglrx-driver the other won't work |
| 13:59.21 | grothend1eck | Xorg seems to be crashing when I try to load fglrx |
| 13:59.30 | grothend1eck | should I try installing Wheezy instaed of Squeeze? |
| 13:59.37 | grothend1eck | Or fglrx from backports? |
| 13:59.47 | h2o_____ | fglrx is broken in stable and testing |
| 13:59.54 | h2o_____ | i had to upgrade to sid |
| 13:59.57 | grothend1eck | lol |
| 14:00.07 | grothend1eck | "broken in stable" |
| 14:00.23 | h2o_____ | or removed ; don't remember |
| 14:00.37 | grothend1eck | hmm |
| 14:00.38 | krisfremen | good joke :P |
| 14:01.13 | grothend1eck | I need to boot into debian partition and get some more information on the problem... |
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| 14:02.28 | grothend1eck | to use the radeonhd driver and not use the fglrx driver, I can do 'modprobe -r glrx ; modprobe radeonhd drm' right? |
| 14:02.29 | h2o_____ | for my card fglrx is not working if below release : Version: 1:12-6+point-1 |
| 14:02.38 | grothend1eck | Hmm |
| 14:03.02 | grothend1eck | This is a Mid-2011 MacMini 5,2 (AMD Radeon HD 6630M 256 MB) |
| 14:03.19 | grothend1eck | Maybe installing from backports... |
| 14:03.29 | grothend1eck | the free radeonhd |
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| 14:04.23 | h2o_____ | the driver is in experimental |
| 14:04.54 | tremon | !radeonhd |
| 14:04.55 | dpkg | radeonhd is a deprecated open source display driver for Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx chipsets. Packaged as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd, ask me about <radeon firmware>. radeonhd does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Squeeze to resolve bug #612190, ask me about <radeon>. |
| 14:05.23 | nsadmin | who deprecated that? |
| 14:05.24 | grothend1eck | thanks dpkg! :D |
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| 14:05.43 | tremon | nsadmin: x.org deprecated it, the useful stuff was merged with the radeon driver |
| 14:05.46 | h2o_____ | !fglrx-driver |
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| 14:06.19 | grothend1eck | cool |
| 14:06.26 | nsadmin | so radeon is what continues out of the ashes? |
| 14:06.40 | tremon | yep |
| 14:06.56 | tremon | h2o_____: the amd apu's only work with fglrx on squeeze |
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| 14:07.22 | tremon | if you want the open driver, you need to have at least kernel 3.0.0 (iirc) and install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 14:07.34 | grothend1eck | hmm |
| 14:07.45 | tremon | for squeeze, you'd need to pull the firmware, kernel and x.org from backports |
| 14:08.04 | grothend1eck | cool |
| 14:08.19 | h2o_____ | next time ill take an nvidia :) |
| 14:08.51 | h2o_____ | they are working to support optimus on linux |
| 14:08.52 | grothend1eck | this is my work computer...unfortunately the most bizarre hardware that has ever been crammed inside a mac |
| 14:09.21 | boudiccas | if its your work computer let them sort it out |
| 14:09.42 | grothend1eck | I was told explicitly that if I want to install Linux on it, then I'm on my own |
| 14:09.43 | grothend1eck | lol |
| 14:09.52 | tremon | h2o_____: the same applies to recent nvidia cards ;) |
| 14:10.15 | grothend1eck | When I'm done with all of this I'll write it up for wiki or something |
| 14:10.37 | grothend1eck | post-2011 MacMinis are really tricky beasts |
| 14:10.38 | nsadmin | maybe they knew the deal with the video driver and its status in stable/testing |
| 14:10.50 | grothend1eck | nsadmin: I seriously doubt it... |
| 14:11.22 | nsadmin | that may be too; they may have never wanted to learn about it (spend time/effort) |
| 14:11.57 | grothend1eck | well the reason we have all macs is to make the life of our support admins easier |
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| 14:13.15 | grothend1eck | not everyone who works here knows linux well enough to fix their own problems |
| 14:13.52 | grothend1eck | but we need unix-like OS on workstations...so MacMinis with Linux VMs has been sufficient for most people |
| 14:14.00 | grothend1eck | anyway |
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| 14:14.41 | grothend1eck | it is just because there needed to be a standard, and linux changes too much for them to use it as a standard on the workstations |
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| 14:15.19 | grothend1eck | one month Fedora looks good, the next month Debian is the best, after that everyone thinks Mint is the next big thing |
| 14:15.24 | grothend1eck | I'm off now |
| 14:15.25 | grothend1eck | later |
| 14:15.28 | samuel | hello guys |
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| 14:16.14 | samuel | anyone know if it is possible to have pulseaudio lower all volumes or suspend all sources when a certain source begins? |
| 14:16.27 | z | does anyone know if d-i has or will soon develop the ability to pass in SHA-512 hashes to passwd/root-password-crypted password? |
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| 14:18.15 | boudiccas | zd i ? |
| 14:18.36 | z | boudiccas: debian-installer. |
| 14:18.42 | nsadmin | boudiccas, debian-installer |
| 14:19.54 | z | there've been known issues with MD5 for some time so it'd be really nice if there was an alternative, obviously shadow supports SHA-512 nicely (hashes starting $6$) for some time, hence the question |
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| 14:21.56 | nsadmin | do you mean that you want to switch your passwords to sha1? |
| 14:23.08 | z | nsadmin: I mean I don't want to be putting MD5 hashes in a preseeded configuration file |
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| 14:24.39 | nsadmin | ok, do you know for sure whether a debian release uses the version of the shadow passwd suite that has been patched to handle shas? |
| 14:25.40 | ansgar | z: d-i doesn't care what encryption you use for passwd/root-password-crypted. |
| 14:25.55 | nsadmin | and if so which debian releases? |
| 14:26.09 | nsadmin | ansgar, but login and passwd do |
| 14:26.41 | z | ansgar: Its just plonking it into user{add,mod} or direct into /etc/shadow and the documentation just says MD5 and completely leaves out any mention of other hashes because nobody updated it yet? ;) |
| 14:27.23 | ansgar | nsadmin: I think glibc supports that for a fairly long time already. |
| 14:27.31 | z | nsadmin: pam (and other tools) were updated to support in August 2009 |
| 14:27.55 | nsadmin | ansgar, that's good news then... |
| 14:28.05 | z | nsadmin: and SHA512 hashes have been 'the norm' in distributions since 2009/10 or thereabouts |
| 14:28.07 | ansgar | crypt(3) says 6 | SHA-512 (since glibc 2.7) |
| 14:28.18 | h2o_____ | How can i solve this: ia32-libs-gtk : Dépend: ia32-libs-i386 but is not installable ? |
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| 14:28.43 | tremon | h2o_____: wheezy or squeeze? |
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| 14:28.58 | h2o_____ | i switched to sid |
| 14:29.01 | z | ansgar: Thanks for the pointer it may not care, I shall experiment :-) |
| 14:29.10 | tremon | dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 14:29.10 | dpkg | tremon: no idea |
| 14:29.16 | tremon | dpkg, shush |
| 14:29.17 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 14:29.34 | ansgar | z: FWIW I have a password starting with $6$ in my preseed config and it works ;) |
| 14:29.43 | z | ansgar: Ah super. Magic :-) |
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| 14:30.09 | z | ansgar: $6$ = nobody cares if I leave the config on a mirror with dir indexes enabled |
| 14:30.39 | z | ansgar: MD5 = it gets people feisty, thus "How can I not have to care?". |
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| 14:35.09 | h2o_____ | tremon, installing that package was going to remove all amd64 parts :p |
| 14:35.38 | tremon | that shouldn't happen, unless you're using aptitude (it doesn't handle multiarch for now) |
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| 14:36.07 | tremon | h2o_____: paste the output of apt-cache policy and the command you're trying to run |
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| 14:37.15 | h2o_____ | the command i used was : # apt-get install ia32-libs-i386 |
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| 14:38.12 | tremon | !paste |
| 14:38.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:38.48 | h2o_____ | ok he was going to remove few packages, i misread |
| 14:40.26 | tremon | btw, it's often better to paste non-localized strings. do export LANG=C before such commands |
| 14:40.42 | tremon | people can often guess what the english translation should be, but it's not always clear |
| 14:40.56 | h2o_____ | ok good to know, ty |
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| 14:43.56 | h2o_____ | http://paste.debian.net/188609/ |
| 14:44.17 | h2o_____ | i did a remove of i386, and reinstalled the removed packages |
| 14:46.31 | h2o_____ | this package is required to install skype for amd64 |
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| 14:47.50 | tremon | I don't see any i386 sources. did you run apt-get update after the dpkg --add-architecture? |
| 14:48.00 | tremon | (I know, I didn't mention that) |
| 14:48.22 | h2o_____ | yes, but to come back i did the dpkg --remove-architecture |
| 14:48.36 | tremon | ah, I missed that |
| 14:50.24 | h2o_____ | i guess i can't install that package and keep pulseaudio x64 |
| 14:50.33 | h2o_____ | and mpalyer and moc |
| 14:50.44 | tremon | not sure, no experience with either skype or pulseaudio |
| 14:51.20 | h2o_____ | i'll wait for a true amnd64 release of skype then |
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| 15:04.11 | humbolt | Hi |
| 15:05.24 | humbolt | I want to backup an 8GB SD-Card with dd. However, things are a little more complicated than they seem at first sight. |
| 15:05.54 | boudiccas | use rsync, its more powerful and easier |
| 15:06.15 | nsadmin | humbolt, why with dd? |
| 15:06.42 | nsadmin | what part of the filesystem metadata were you interested in preserving? |
| 15:06.53 | humbolt | nsadmin: The thing is, I did populate the 8GB SD-Card with an image from a 2GB Card and did not resize the partition. Now I want to backup only these 2GB and not all the 0000 after it. |
| 15:07.23 | humbolt | nsadmin: I need an image to clone 40 Cards from. That is the reason. |
| 15:07.24 | nsadmin | then copy the files instead of the image |
| 15:07.36 | humbolt | nsadmin: and it should stay boooootable |
| 15:07.40 | nsadmin | for the image, just make one |
| 15:07.56 | humbolt | nsadmin: read me. |
| 15:08.29 | humbolt | nsadmin: I don't want an 8GB image, as only the first 2GB are occupied by partitions. |
| 15:08.38 | tremon | humbolt: what's going to boot off these cards? |
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| 15:09.09 | tremon | humbolt: as a direct answer, dd has a count= parameter, check the manual |
| 15:09.10 | humbolt | nsadmin: I know how to make dd stop at a certain offset (with count), but the question is, what is the right offset! |
| 15:09.27 | humbolt | tremon: that I know already, thanks. |
| 15:09.34 | tremon | if you didn't specify an offset copying in, the offset is 0 |
| 15:09.39 | humbolt | tremon: but what number goes there? |
| 15:09.47 | tremon | (and it should be, otherwise it wouldn't be bootable) |
| 15:10.13 | nsadmin | if you're going to insist on the dd method, then I'll suggest that you dd the entire 8g to an image file, then reduce the filesystem followed by the image filesize |
| 15:10.16 | humbolt | tremon: no, I mean the offset from the end not the beginning. ... hence count |
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| 15:10.30 | humbolt | nsadmin: no |
| 15:10.31 | sneex | foswiki suggests libapache-mod-perl .... but it doesn't appear to exist. Am I missing something? |
| 15:10.32 | tremon | count isn't an offset from the end |
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| 15:10.52 | nsadmin | that would be all I have |
| 15:11.03 | tremon | it's exactly that, the number of blocks that should be copied |
| 15:11.15 | humbolt | nsadmin: did you ever have to clone 40 SD-Cards from one image? I am not going to make this process 4 times as long, as it already is. |
| 15:11.36 | humbolt | tremon: I know that ... words. |
| 15:11.43 | nsadmin | humbolt, did you look more closely at my last suggestion? |
| 15:12.10 | tremon | so, are you going to ask a concrete question that is answerable by this channel? |
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| 15:12.35 | nsadmin | it's not quite a debian support question |
| 15:12.58 | tremon | ,v libapache-mod-perl |
| 15:12.59 | judd | No package named 'libapache-mod-perl' was found in i386. |
| 15:13.07 | sneex | libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 15:13.16 | humbolt | nsadmin: yes, it sucks! it does not make a difference in consumed time, if you compress the image. still when I dd the image on the other cards, all 8Gb will have to be written. when I only backup the necessary 2GB, I only have to write up to this point. get it? |
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| 15:13.46 | nsadmin | actually I reached all I have earlier |
| 15:13.59 | nsadmin | probably you want to talk to someone else now |
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| 15:14.10 | mah454_ | How can fix this ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1192859/ |
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| 15:14.21 | tremon | ,v libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 15:14.22 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-perl2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.4-5+lenny1; squeeze: 2.0.4-7; sid: 2.0.7-1; wheezy: 2.0.7-1 |
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| 15:14.32 | humbolt | tremon: the question is: do I simply take the "End" value from the last partition shown in fdisk and make this the "count" parameter?= |
| 15:15.01 | tremon | humbolt: that depends on what units fdisk is using |
| 15:15.10 | tremon | and what you specify as blocksize |
| 15:15.40 | humbolt | tremon: now we are getting there. this is the kind of insights, I was looking for :-) |
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| 15:15.59 | tremon | I'd use fdisk -lu, which should display the end value in sectors |
| 15:16.55 | tremon | then, theoretically, you'd use 512 as dd's blocksize (assuming fdisk still thinks a sector is 512 bytes), and count as fdisk's end value (perhaps +1) |
| 15:16.56 | humbolt | tremon: gave me the same number 3788799 |
| 15:17.28 | tremon | that's slightly under 2G, so should be correct |
| 15:18.03 | tremon | I'd probably take no chances and just use bs=1k count=2M, copying the full 2G |
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| 15:19.38 | ToApolytoXaos | geez...after removed orphaned packages and lots of obsoletes plus xfce, my system runs like rocket now and consumes only 242MB the most! O_o |
| 15:19.39 | humbolt | tremon: does count always use 512 blocks as basis, or does this change, when I change bs=1k? |
| 15:19.45 | tremon | mah454_: what's T205? |
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| 15:20.13 | tremon | humbolt: the latter, count uses bs |
| 15:20.22 | mah454_ | tremon: for this : Bus 002 Device 013: ID 1b80:d398 Afatech DVB-T receiver [RTL2832U] |
| 15:20.40 | humbolt | tremon: the answer actually was in your previous post ... mathematically. thanks! |
| 15:20.49 | mah454_ | tremon: DVB driver |
| 15:21.25 | tremon | mah454_: I'd ask #v4l (the video4linux guys) |
| 15:21.40 | tremon | looks like a header/library versioning issue |
| 15:22.03 | humbolt | tremon: is 1k = 1024 or 1000? |
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| 15:22.49 | tremon | it says in the man page: kB =1000, K =1024 |
| 15:23.11 | tremon | (so my suggestion was wrong) |
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| 15:23.25 | tremon | no wait, I was right ;) |
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| 15:24.12 | tremon | was thrown off by the b=512, kB=1000 thingy |
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| 15:24.43 | Ludvig | looks like I got myself into something of a situation |
| 15:24.55 | Ludvig | I wanted to install wine and it said I had to enable multiarch, so I did |
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| 15:25.21 | Ludvig | now I have a problem where wine won't install because apparently there are two gcc-4.7-base packages |
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| 15:27.01 | tremon | Ludvig: please paste the entire apt-get output |
| 15:27.11 | tremon | most likely you need to run apt-get upgrade first |
| 15:28.16 | Ludvig | tremon: alright but you're not going to like it: http://pastebin.com/J33SvrSc |
| 15:28.43 | Ludvig | it removed passwd during the last install attempt, for some reason |
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| 15:29.18 | tremon | Ludvig: and you said yes to that? ;) |
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| 15:29.33 | Ludvig | tremon: not explicitly, no |
| 15:29.40 | tremon | try apt-get -f install first, then apt-get upgrade |
| 15:29.55 | tremon | paste both outputs, then we'll try again |
| 15:30.41 | Ludvig | tremon: output of apt-get -f install: http://pastebin.com/0nQdZ3pa |
| 15:30.49 | Ludvig | it's the gcc-4.7-base problem again |
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| 15:31.29 | roy___ | do i really need to burn 12 dvd's to install debian ? |
| 15:32.10 | rozie | roy___: no. you can even use netinstall which is less than half CD |
| 15:32.11 | tremon | roy___: no, you only need dvd 1 for base installation. Most people don't even do that, they use the netinst cd and install from the internet |
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| 15:32.47 | tremon | Ludvig: you can try to manually dpkg --configure gcc-4.7-base:i386 and :amd64 |
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| 15:33.09 | tremon | but save the output, I think this is a bug that should be reported |
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| 15:33.51 | roy___ | tremon: do you think the netinst cd would detect the WIFI in my laptop ... ? |
| 15:34.05 | humbolt | tremon: I am confused now! What values do I use now? The size is 3700*1024(*512 byte blocks)=3788800 blocks (I added one here to the fdisk value) or 1939865600 byte. That is 1850*1024*1024, so I use bs=1M (which is 1024*1024) and count=1850. Correct? |
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| 15:34.46 | tremon | humbolt: should work, yes |
| 15:35.22 | tremon | roy___: depends on the chipset, but the squeeze installer has no wpa support |
| 15:35.35 | Ludvig | tremon: ok this is interesting; manual configure worked but then it complained about two versions of libgcc1, so I tried manually configuring that, but as it happens libc6 and libgcc1 are circularly dependent |
| 15:35.46 | Ludvig | tremon: so I configured them both at the same time |
| 15:36.40 | roy___ | tremon: so i'd need to burn the first dvd of the base install to do that ? |
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| 15:36.54 | tremon | roy___: yes, I think that's the best solution |
| 15:36.58 | Ludvig | alright, now apt-get -f install works apparently |
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| 15:37.21 | tremon | rejoices as progress is made |
| 15:37.49 | Ludvig | ok, now installing wine-bin:i386, it says it needs to remove wine64-bin, I presume this is ok? |
| 15:38.04 | tremon | yes, that is expected |
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| 15:38.16 | Ludvig | alright, this is working |
| 15:38.20 | Ludvig | you're a genius |
| 15:38.37 | Ludvig | I had really lost hope, the situation seemed incredibly screwed |
| 15:39.03 | tremon | you just need to know where to prod the beast :) |
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| 15:40.36 | tremon | if you can, please do file a bug: run reportbug apt, explain the error you got (the ambiguous package name), and what you did to resolve it |
| 15:41.06 | tremon | I suspect more people might run into this |
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| 15:41.47 | Ludvig | tremon: ok, I also had to manually configure 4 other packages |
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| 15:42.38 | tremon | btw, I do notice that apt says "296 not upgraded" |
| 15:43.03 | tremon | tsk tsk |
| 15:43.26 | Ludvig | hrm, I always upgrade regularly |
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| 15:43.59 | tremon | try running apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
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| 15:44.03 | Ludvig | oh, I know what that's about |
| 15:45.47 | Ludvig | i'm using the 'safe upgrade' option |
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| 15:46.45 | tremon | that's fine for stable, but testing sometimes requires a more heavy-handed approach |
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| 15:47.34 | boudiccas | i dist-upgrade every day, keeping my wheezy nice and current, and, so fa, no problems |
| 15:47.35 | tremon | usually it has to do with changing dependencies, which the safe-upgrade doesn't handle |
| 15:47.48 | boudiccas | far |
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| 15:48.36 | humbolt | tremon: worked. and it is exactly the size of the original image! thanks for your assistance! |
| 15:48.40 | tremon | I run upgrade every day, dist-upgrade only when it's necessary. That's been about twice the last month |
| 15:49.03 | tremon | humbolt: yw |
| 15:49.21 | edju | Started to remove packages installed from deb-multimedia. However, removing, e.g., libaacplus would also remove KDE. Installing a few things from the Debian repos is not a problem, but tons of them? Is there any way around this? |
| 15:49.22 | boudiccas | how do you decide when to dist-upgrade as distinct from upgrade? |
| 15:49.41 | tremon | when apt-get says that upgrades have been held back :) |
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| 15:49.53 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
| 15:50.08 | tremon | usually it then depends on which package is held back and how busy I am with other stuff |
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| 15:52.40 | tremon | edju: it can be hairy. Most importantly, you need to figure out the dependency chain from libaacplus to kde-standard (if that's the package that gets uninstalled) |
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| 15:54.37 | tremon | edju: try aptitude -v why kde libaacplus |
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| 16:01.29 | edju | tremon, That won't work. It's not that one package called kde is involved - I could deal with that. It's most (all?) of progs and libs associated with kde. Ah, well, I guess I'll just leave things be. |
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| 16:30.18 | Ludvig | tremon: ok I'm *very carefully* doing a dist-upgrade |
| 16:30.57 | Ludvig | I'm not upgrading the xserver drivers though, I went through something like 20 iterations before arriving at a set that actually worked |
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| 16:41.26 | TopGear | Does anyone know how to get into a QNAP via MS Explorer using Debian with the Webmin? |
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| 16:44.16 | blubberdiblub | TopGear, try something like http://ip.address.of.qnap:10000/ |
| 16:44.23 | sleepee | hello people. linux noob here. i was wondering if anybody could help me out installing the latest 3.x kernel in debian stable. i've been having a bit of trouble.. |
| 16:44.42 | sleepee | got the backports repository enables already.. just don |
| 16:45.07 | sleepee | 't know how to search for the kernel package name and install it |
| 16:45.21 | grothend1eck | apt-get install -t squeeze-backports $PACKAGE |
| 16:45.25 | grothend1eck | is how you install from backports |
| 16:45.33 | grothend1eck | aptitude search $STRING |
| 16:45.37 | grothend1eck | is how you search for a package |
| 16:45.45 | grothend1eck | or use the synaptic package manager |
| 16:45.52 | Ludvig | apt-cache search $STRING also works |
| 16:46.20 | thewanderer1 | Debian kernels have names in the form of: linux-image-$VERSION-$ARCH , so this would work: apt-cache search linux-image-3 |
| 16:46.20 | TopGear | blubberdiblub: It keeps on saying it isn't a valid folder |
| 16:46.29 | sleepee | hmmm.. the apt-cache search gives me different results |
| 16:46.54 | sleepee | nvm.. i just spelled the package name wrong |
| 16:46.55 | sleepee | lol |
| 16:46.59 | blubberdiblub | TopGear, well, you should use internet explorer or firefox, not windows explorer |
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| 16:47.19 | sleepee | cool!!! thanks guyus |
| 16:47.46 | TopGear | blubberdiblub: Via FF i can get into the webinterface. But I need to be able to access the folders via Windows Explorer. That's why it's a NAS. I just can't get it to work. Quite a lot of settings... |
| 16:48.02 | Max^ | !windows |
| 16:48.02 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available in ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:48.06 | sleepee | so am i supposed to install both linux-image-3.2 and linux-headers-3.2?? |
| 16:48.26 | blubberdiblub | TopGear, well, you should have formulated your question differently then ;) |
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| 16:49.38 | blubberdiblub | TopGear, seems your question is more like a webmin questions then. try finding a channel related to that. you may also want to install samba, if you haven't already, since the samba suite does the windows folder sharing thing |
| 16:50.03 | Ludvig | sleepee: linux-headers aren't needed just to run the kernel, but most likely there are packages on your system which depend on it, so yes |
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| 16:50.43 | TopGear | blubberdiblub: The webmin channel is rather empty. |
| 16:50.56 | TopGear | blubberdiblub: And samba's installed. |
| 16:51.25 | sleepee | ok.. thanks Ludvig. i'm going to install them both now and see what happens. wish me luck! lol |
| 16:51.50 | blubberdiblub | TopGear, well, i don't use webmin, so i can't help, sorry. and webmin might still be a bit offtopic here. but maybe someone is still kind enough to share their knowledge thereof |
| 16:52.11 | TopGear | I hope so. But it's dinner time here. |
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| 16:59.51 | gnarface | idly considers upgrading to the leaky nvidia drivers again and just setting a cron job to echo 3 into /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches every 5 minutes or so |
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| 17:03.06 | Ludvig | tremon: dist-upgrade complete and restarted, everything working nice, and wine working as well, thanks |
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| 17:06.32 | nunnsby | hey all, I installed ubuntu after debian, and now |
| 17:06.35 | nunnsby | iDOH! |
| 17:06.48 | nunnsby | now, I'm stuck with the ubuntu grub loader |
| 17:07.07 | nunnsby | how do I set it back to use the debian boot loader, I kinda like it, with the Ubuntu lines? |
| 17:07.20 | somiaj | there is an os-probe package in debian (not sure if ubuntu has it) so you can get both oses in the same boot loader |
| 17:07.38 | nunnsby | as in I now have the purple loader, and I want the cheesy old-school debian one! |
| 17:07.43 | tremon | ,i os-prober |
| 17:07.44 | judd | Package os-prober (utils, extra) in squeeze/i386: utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives. Version: 1.42; Size: 23.2k; Installed: 184k |
| 17:07.45 | somiaj | you can mount the debian root, (the mount /sys, /proc and /dev in there) chroot and from there rerun update-grub |
| 17:07.51 | somiaj | and install-grub |
| 17:08.06 | nunnsby | I have tried startup-manager, that is good in that it allows setting of boot up, but doesn;t change grub "skin" |
| 17:08.19 | zecrazytux | grub-install* |
| 17:08.22 | nunnsby | cool, I can get into all of them |
| 17:08.28 | nunnsby | win 7, ubuntu,, debina |
| 17:08.40 | nunnsby | so just reun update-grub from debian then? |
| 17:08.44 | nunnsby | *rerun |
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| 17:08.54 | somiaj | no grub-install (you'll have to reinstall the debian grub in the mbr) |
| 17:09.09 | somiaj | but update-grub after you install os-prober so it can detect the other oses and put in the menu entries |
| 17:10.22 | nunnsby | okay, so os-prober, then grub-install, then update-grub, or just os-prober and then update-grub? |
| 17:10.31 | blubberdiblub | "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" also calls grub-install and presents a harddisk selection menu as well |
| 17:10.40 | wilee-nilee | nunnsby, I would be careful with startup manger I don't believe it is set up to work with grub 2 so that it moves with kernel updates |
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| 17:10.54 | nunnsby | oooh, okay, |
| 17:11.18 | blubberdiblub | but yes, you should install os-prober first if it isn't already installed |
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| 17:13.28 | wilee-nilee | nunnsby, Also I would let ubuntu control the boot here there is a app called the grub customizer that will let you set the grub list how you want. |
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| 17:14.27 | wilee-nilee | thats what I would do if I wanted a custom menu, personally I just choose the boot I want with 4 installs on my HD. |
| 17:14.28 | nunnsby | okay, cool, I was kinda leaning that way anyway, so just use that and let it do the stuff, and at least I still have all my options then, win7, debian, ubuntu, etc |
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| 17:15.05 | nunnsby | ok, and so basically use whatever bootloader the newer os puts down, as they typically pick up the rest of the options as well |
| 17:15.14 | nunnsby | and customise it that way then |
| 17:16.03 | wilee-nilee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:16.44 | nunnsby | okay, cool. can't seem to find the grub customizer app in the ubuntu software thingy, should I use synaptic instead? |
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| 17:17.26 | nunnsby | u guys familiar with webmin and iptables, or just iptables in general? |
| 17:17.38 | nunnsby | I am trying to create a rule for iptables in webmin, but can't seem to get it working properly |
| 17:17.43 | wilee-nilee | nunnsby, it is in a ppa look here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1664134 |
| 17:17.52 | nunnsby | cmd line rule is a snat rule |
| 17:17.56 | nunnsby | cheers, will look now |
| 17:18.06 | nunnsby | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.255.0 -j SNAT --to-source 123.123.123.123 |
| 17:18.09 | wilee-nilee | I have W7, precise. quantal, and wheezy on my HD |
| 17:18.13 | nunnsby | the 123.123.123.123 is purely example |
| 17:18.21 | nunnsby | so I'm natting a source range to an outbound ip |
| 17:18.31 | nunnsby | it works if I put it in in the cmd line, but the webmin never sees it and when I reboot, I loose the rule from the nat table, so thinking the iptables never writes it |
| 17:18.35 | simonlnu | step 1: stop using webmin to do iptables |
| 17:18.46 | nunnsby | any ideas how to 1) make it stay resident |
| 17:18.59 | nunnsby | 2) possibly control it via webmin - but webmin is not critical |
| 17:19.14 | simonlnu | step 2: install iptables-persistent |
| 17:19.44 | nunnsby | haha, yeah, webmin is crap |
| 17:19.47 | simonlnu | step 3: configure iptables as needed |
| 17:19.51 | nunnsby | for iptables |
| 17:19.57 | simonlnu | step 4: enjoy |
| 17:20.00 | nunnsby | yeah, thought as much |
| 17:20.03 | nunnsby | cheers |
| 17:20.09 | nunnsby | as much as one can enjoy iptables! |
| 17:20.10 | nunnsby | lol |
| 17:20.20 | nunnsby | thanks, will soldier on then |
| 17:20.28 | simonlnu | i personally use ferm |
| 17:20.55 | simonlnu | handles ipv4 ipv6 and many other things nicely. |
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| 17:25.55 | shake | does someone know how to make a cronjob to visit a page by useing a password? |
| 17:26.22 | nkuttler | shake: which part of that do you have a problem with? |
| 17:27.35 | shake | i want a link to be open on a every saturday |
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| 17:27.50 | nkuttler | shake: man 5 crontab, man wget |
| 17:28.12 | shake | 5 crontab |
| 17:28.14 | shake | ? |
| 17:28.28 | jelly-home | yes |
| 17:28.30 | nkuttler | man man while you're at it |
| 17:28.37 | shake | the crontab opened in the editor |
| 17:28.46 | peterrooney | shake: wget and curl have command line options for passwords -if there's other users on the system, you should avoid having the password ddirectly in the cronjob, but read from a file - the standard ps utility can reveal exact commands |
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| 17:29.30 | shake | i dont have any other users on the system |
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| 17:30.13 | shake | so its not necessary toi hide it |
| 17:30.17 | yaarrr | Whois who |
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| 17:30.41 | shake | i have now this line : 30 19 * * 6 command |
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| 17:31.35 | shake | now i have to add: 30 19 * * 6 wget http://domain.com:user:password |
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| 17:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | for some reason the "add machine script" configuration on my samba server is completely bogus. |
| 17:32.14 | yaarrr | Ask |
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| 17:32.48 | yaarrr | Amp do yu know himp |
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| 17:33.38 | yaarrr | Thx |
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| 17:34.22 | jhutchins_lt | Could someone paste that line from their smb.conf? |
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| 17:37.27 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: the default, commented out one? |
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| 17:37.33 | jelly-home | ; add machine script = /usr/sbin/useradd -g machines -c "%u machine account" -d /var/lib/samba -s /bin/false %u |
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| 17:39.43 | jhutchins_lt | Huh. My lenny system says the options are incorrect. |
| 17:39.52 | jhutchins_lt | /ambigous |
| 17:40.48 | jhutchins_lt | Ah ha, for some reason using adduser instead of useradd |
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| 17:43.05 | jelly-home | u y still lenny?!?!? |
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| 17:45.06 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, can't upgrade this one yet. |
| 17:45.30 | jhutchins_lt | Still dealing with the upgrade to kde4 address book on the home desktop. |
| 17:45.52 | jhutchins_lt | I'm probably going to have to build a lenny VM, export the address book, and import it to kde4. |
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| 17:48.49 | jhutchins_lt | the config's probably a holdover from the gentoo server. |
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| 17:48.57 | jhutchins_lt | Got it working though, thanks. |
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| 17:53.16 | thothstriangle | hello |
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| 17:55.44 | shake | i hope wget is eneough |
| 17:55.48 | CQ | how can I get this error: Sep 8 18:17:34 blackbox kernel: [3287785.151427] Buffer I/O error on device dm-8, logical block 0 ...when that device ...lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Aug 1 17:02 cryptobackup1 -> ../dm-8 ...isnn't mounted?? |
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| 17:56.07 | MzK | hello |
| 17:56.26 | MzK | someone from here use tvmaxe on debian? |
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| 17:57.22 | tremon | CQ: you don't need to mount a block device to read from it |
| 17:57.53 | CQ | tremon: well, the hard drive that that points to doesn't exist inteh system at present... |
| 17:58.02 | tremon | well that would explain the read error... |
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| 17:58.40 | CQ | ?? ok... it's a hot swap device, I unmounted it, removed it, and rescanned the bus... what else do I need to do? |
| 17:59.27 | shake | how can i configure the time and timezone on debian ? |
| 17:59.27 | tremon | not sure, no experience with hotswap. but the presence of the (udev-managed?) symlink suggests the kernel or udev is completely oblivious to the fact to you removed it |
| 17:59.30 | CQ | oh, maybe luks is still looking at it |
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| 17:59.51 | tremon | forgot a luksClose... yeah that would explain it |
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| 18:04.57 | CQ | sudo cryptsetup luksClose /dev/mapper/cryptobackup1 should have done it now.. thanks! |
| 18:05.10 | tremon | yw |
| 18:05.26 | CQ | I have another drive with bad sectors and couldn't figure out if the two things were related or not... : ) |
| 18:06.15 | tremon | be sure to fsck the drive. Even though the volume was supposed to be umounted, you don't know if all writes reached the disk |
| 18:07.10 | CQ | tremon: no can do, its the backup drive at the in-laws |
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| 18:07.26 | CQ | but I unmounted it cleanly before removing, so it should eb OK |
| 18:07.35 | tremon | ok |
| 18:07.47 | CQ | another questions: system drives, ext2 or ext3? |
| 18:08.05 | tremon | always ext4 nowadays ;) |
| 18:08.35 | tremon | I still use ext2 for low-write situations, e.g. cf disks |
| 18:08.45 | digdilem | r, ext4. xfs for the odd job, but generally ext4 |
| 18:09.37 | CQ | ok, ext4 it is... |
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| 18:16.32 | shake | the cronjob is not working i used this on the crontab every saturaday at 20:15 open domain: 15 20 * * 6 wget "http://domain.com" |
| 18:18.45 | jelly-home | shake: does that wget command work on its own? |
| 18:18.58 | shake | got to check that |
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| 18:20.05 | shake | no |
| 18:20.11 | shake | its just downloading the file |
| 18:20.20 | shake | not executing it |
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| 18:20.56 | jelly-home | that's what wget does |
| 18:21.02 | jelly-home | what did you expect? |
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| 18:21.23 | tremon | shake: you need to rethink your problem if the solution is to blindly download and run a program from the internet |
| 18:21.23 | shake | i wat that a link be visit |
| 18:21.44 | jelly-home | shake: it is a visit. Look at the web server access logs. |
| 18:22.06 | shake | it should open that link |
| 18:22.13 | shake | and execute that skript |
| 18:22.18 | shake | which is behind that link |
| 18:22.24 | specing | lol |
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| 18:22.49 | jelly-home | shake: what kind of script? |
| 18:22.52 | CQ | is it sensible to separate /boot on its own partition? |
| 18:22.56 | shake | shoutcvast kick source |
| 18:23.13 | specing | CQ: you can put all the /* on their seperate partitions |
| 18:23.29 | specing | CQ: you can also put /*/* on their seperate partitions |
| 18:23.29 | tremon | specing: no, that's not true |
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| 18:23.38 | jelly-home | shake: does anything different happen if you open the same URL in a web browser? Do you have control of the web server? |
| 18:23.48 | shake | yes |
| 18:23.50 | shake | its kicken the server |
| 18:23.56 | specing | CQ: But be warned that maintainance time is going to increase dramatically if you do so |
| 18:24.04 | specing | tremon: ofcourse it is |
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| 18:24.14 | jelly-home | shake: sorry, I don't understand what that means |
| 18:24.45 | shake | yes it execute the skript |
| 18:24.49 | tremon | specing: ok, then with your next install, create separate partitions for /etc, /bin and /lib and let us know how it's working out for you |
| 18:24.52 | shake | when im opening by useing a browser |
| 18:25.09 | jelly-home | CQ: it depends on the complexity of your other storage, a separate /boot can be beneficial |
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| 18:25.48 | CQ | jelly-home: my plan is / /home swap and tmp ... unless theres a good reason to separate boot on a home server, I'll leave it with / |
| 18:26.11 | jelly-home | shake: ok. Do you have control of the web server your URL is on and can you look at the access logs, see what a normal browser does? |
| 18:26.25 | tremon | CQ: the primary reason for separating out /boot is the limitations of your bootloader |
| 18:26.33 | specing | tremon: duh all it takes is a script in initramfs |
| 18:26.35 | shake | i have control of tthe webserver |
| 18:26.41 | CQ | tremon then I don't need to, thanks |
| 18:26.46 | shake | access log of apache |
| 18:26.47 | shake | ? |
| 18:26.52 | specing | mount / (containing etc - the /etc partition) |
| 18:27.02 | jelly-home | shake: yes. Compare what wget does to what a browser does. |
| 18:27.14 | specing | parse fstab and mount everything there |
| 18:27.16 | tremon | specing: this is a debian channel... |
| 18:27.21 | jelly-home | shake: then replicate what the browser does using wget |
| 18:27.22 | specing | tremon: so? |
| 18:27.32 | shake | ok ill try |
| 18:27.33 | jelly-home | specing: so you're being silly |
| 18:27.48 | specing | tremon: debian kernels all have an initramfs |
| 18:27.59 | tremon | specing: you're welcome to write your own initramfs, but in this channel we try to promote solution that work without raping debian inside out |
| 18:28.04 | specing | jelly-home: No, Im just answering a question |
| 18:28.19 | specing | tremon: I did write my own initramfs |
| 18:28.27 | jelly-home | specing: from here, it looks you're ignoring a valid point |
| 18:28.41 | specing | Well to tell the truth it was 95% copypasta and 5% patchwork |
| 18:29.05 | specing | But it did the job |
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| 18:30.38 | shake | jelly-home is it something like this : GET /images/facebook.png HTTP/1.1" 304 189 "http://62.108/content.php?include=admradio&action=new" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1" |
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| 18:31.46 | jelly-home | shake: yes, but you'll have to figure out what's the exact GET or PORT request that triggers your desired action |
| 18:32.06 | jelly-home | shake: it's probably not the fetching of that fb image |
| 18:32.17 | shake | hmm |
| 18:32.23 | shake | i need an example |
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| 18:35.44 | jelly-home | shake: a web browser makes quite a lot of requests, to fetch all the parts of a web page. wget only fetches exactly the links you tell it to. |
| 18:36.02 | jelly-home | shake: you need to figure out which browser request does the thing you want to be done |
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| 18:36.17 | shake | thats the clue |
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| 18:36.42 | shake | how can i do now the request which i want |
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| 18:36.55 | shake | so how can i run the webbrowser |
| 18:36.59 | shake | with the link |
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| 18:37.35 | shake | i dont if that action is in the access log |
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| 18:39.01 | jelly-home | _everything_ the browser does in interacting with a web server is logged there |
| 18:39.12 | shake | is not lynx |
| 18:39.19 | shake | a browser on debian |
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| 18:40.56 | jelly-home | it is |
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| 18:43.35 | shake | ok |
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| 18:46.15 | shake | here i got this now in my access log: "GET /admin.cgi?pass=changeme&mode=kicksr HTTP/1.1" 404 506 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/14.0.1" |
| 18:46.36 | shake | but if i try to opne this command by useing the browser is saidf access denied |
| 18:46.45 | shake | *lynx |
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| 19:00.29 | jelly-home | shake: so you try to lynx 'http://example.org/admin.cgi?pass=changeme&mode=kicksr' and it fails? |
| 19:00.30 | Chronic_ | I have an hp pavillion and I ran a live disk of the latest debian stable. It did not recognize my rt5390 wireless....I read this is a non free firmware issue. How exactly can I get it working? Someone said to activate non free resources and then download...but without wifi how can i? |
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| 19:00.51 | jelly-home | shake: even that log line above is a 404, so something's missing |
| 19:00.59 | shake | ok |
| 19:01.46 | shake | its openeing the site |
| 19:01.52 | shake | but its doing nothing |
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| 19:09.04 | dawud | what's the status of SELinux in wheezy? it's still at 20110726 version, while upstream is 20120725. I get a _lot_ of denials trying to use it. |
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| 19:13.13 | dawud | is anyone using systemd on a fully encrypted disk(s) system? I can't seem to get it working on such config. |
| 19:13.14 | DeusEx | salut |
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| 19:13.50 | shake | jelly-home: i van open the site ujseing lynx. but its doing nothing |
| 19:14.22 | specing | dawud: what I've currently heard of systemd doesen't make me want to consider switching |
| 19:14.29 | shake | when i try to open the link on that page manually it says access denied |
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| 19:16.02 | dawud | specing: I'm already using it on Fedora systems quite happily, and it works good on unencrypted systems on Debian too |
| 19:16.43 | jelly-home | shake: your app might be looking for a http cookie or looking for the right referer url or something else |
| 19:17.39 | jelly-home | or the page migt be using javascript to do actual active requests and lynx doesn't do js |
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| 19:18.32 | kale | hi i'm trying to install debian, however it seems the installer does not have a driver for my cdrom/sata controller. what do i do? |
| 19:18.39 | kale | i tried netinst |
| 19:19.55 | dawud | kale: use pxe/preseed |
| 19:20.30 | dawud | kale: or an USB stick with the installer |
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| 19:21.05 | jelly-home | shake: if you can't figure out the correct request from access.log, try using firefox with firebug to inspect what the browser does when it _does_ work |
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| 19:21.19 | kale | dawud: sounds like the usb stick is the easiest way to go |
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| 19:21.47 | kale | dawud: are there binary usb stick images? |
| 19:22.42 | dawud | kale: I can't recall, but it's quite simple to do, try searching it on the web |
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| 19:23.54 | shake | lol |
| 19:23.57 | shake | jelly |
| 19:25.02 | shake | (20:27:03)shake: ok. Do you have control of the web server your URL is on and can you look at the access logs, see what a normal browser does? |
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| 19:25.16 | dawud | kale: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb |
| 19:25.26 | shake | (20:28:13)shake: then replicate what the browser does using wget |
| 19:25.38 | shake | shake: yes, but you'll have to figure out what's the exact GET or PORT request that triggers your desired action |
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| 19:25.56 | shake | and now u say : (21:21:58)shake: if you can't figure out the correct request from access.log, try using firefox with firebug to inspect what the browser does when it _does_ work |
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| 19:26.28 | kale | dawud: now thats neat. i didn't think you could just dd it over :-) |
| 19:26.32 | shake | trying everything is not the clue |
| 19:26.35 | ompaul | shake: nothing incompatible with both those statements. |
| 19:26.35 | jelly-home | shake: yes. access.log doesn't everything -- cookies, or POST parameters are not in there |
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| 19:27.23 | jelly-home | shake: so if replicating a simple GET request fails, you have to dig deeper |
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| 19:27.33 | shake | how shoulkd i see with firebug what happens? |
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| 19:27.57 | ompaul | !TIAS |
| 19:27.57 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 19:28.09 | ompaul | it is rather verbose |
| 19:28.14 | shake | but what see |
| 19:28.23 | ompaul | look and you will see |
| 19:28.24 | shake | when i klick on the link it will guide you |
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| 19:29.46 | shake | io dont know on what on the hrml |
| 19:29.48 | jelly-home | shake: at this point, you would need to learn a bit about HTTP, and what sorts of additional data can be in a request |
| 19:29.49 | shake | on the debugger |
| 19:30.41 | ompaul | http://www.w3schools.com/ |
| 19:30.53 | ompaul | shake: ^^ pick and mix in stuff you learn there also |
| 19:31.16 | shake | lol |
| 19:31.25 | shake | you think im a nooc |
| 19:31.25 | ompaul | shake: what you are trying to understand is a none trivial process. |
| 19:31.27 | shake | noob |
| 19:31.27 | thewanderer1 | ompaul: that is actually a pretty awful site for learning, but I'm out of better ideas (maybe Ethereal + monkeying around?) :P |
| 19:31.28 | shake | xD |
| 19:31.37 | jelly-home | shake: you can use curl or wget to send either GET or POST requests, add cookies, and other stuff |
| 19:31.42 | shake | yes |
| 19:31.47 | shake | i resad this too curl |
| 19:31.49 | shake | can be used |
| 19:32.03 | ompaul | thewanderer1: well I'm getting to the point where this should be in #apache or something |
| 19:32.17 | shake | ill try this in a few minutes with curl |
| 19:32.23 | shake | and ompaul |
| 19:32.28 | shake | im noit a noob |
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| 19:32.52 | shake | i create templates |
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| 19:33.33 | jelly-home | and yet, your experience of http seems to cover only the normal user side |
| 19:34.38 | shake | yes |
| 19:35.08 | shake | there are some cases new to me but some nit |
| 19:35.12 | jelly-home | you'll have to experiment and learn more |
| 19:35.14 | shake | *not |
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| 19:35.27 | shake | :) |
| 19:35.30 | shake | im trying |
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| 19:36.09 | jelly-home | or change the password and show the actual URL so maybe someone else can try and replicate what you want to do |
| 19:36.21 | irgendwer4711 | hi, how to install vlc-nox without x11, it want to install x11-common and others too |
| 19:36.28 | simonlnu | anyone can make templates |
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| 19:36.34 | shake | i can do this now . cause its a test server |
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| 19:38.13 | gotmynick | irgendwer4711, aptitude why vlc-nox x11-common |
| 19:38.43 | gotmynick | it maybe pulled if you install "recommends" which is the default, because of its dependencies |
| 19:39.30 | irgendwer4711 | I look |
| 19:39.46 | shake | thi sis the command which is used on this site jelly-home: http://admin:changeme@radio.fashionradio.de:9006/admin.cgi?mode=kicksrc |
| 19:39.55 | irgendwer4711 | vlc-nox depends on libfontconfig1 |
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| 19:40.29 | irgendwer4711 | this points to other, which points to x11-common |
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| 19:40.49 | themill | x11-common is just some config files |
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| 19:41.42 | irgendwer4711 | may be I look wrong, but whole vlc-nox would be 320 mb?? |
| 19:41.52 | simonlnu | um, no |
| 19:41.59 | shake | lol peeps dont hit that link |
| 19:43.23 | themill | irgendwer4711: ~90MB if you don't have recommends enabled, ~270MB if you do, it seems. You probably don't want all of the recommends.... but you probably do want some of them. It's only disk space... |
| 19:43.30 | irgendwer4711 | the list: http://pastebin.com/G4gPg4Ln |
| 19:43.42 | irgendwer4711 | how to disable "recommends"? |
| 19:43.56 | themill | dpkg: tell irgendwer4711 about apt recommends |
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| 19:44.32 | themill | irgendwer4711: but as dpkg said, when it doesn't work that's your problem... you are going against the recommendations of apt and the maintainers of these packages. |
| 19:44.54 | irgendwer4711 | the 323 ist a must. no recommend |
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| 19:45.04 | irgendwer4711 | 323 mb |
| 19:45.06 | shake | jelly-home: what do you think? |
| 19:45.27 | simonlnu | Installed-Size: 8730 |
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| 19:46.15 | simonlnu | that's just vlc-nox itself. doesn't include deps |
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| 19:47.32 | irgendwer4711 | now it is 78 mb :-) |
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| 19:49.05 | themill | irgendwer4711: sure. And your vlc can also do a lot less. |
| 19:49.22 | irgendwer4711 | I know |
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| 19:52.00 | jelly-home | shake: that command seems to be incomplete, what is it supposed to do? |
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| 19:53.06 | jelly-home | shake: also, that :9006 url is not apache, that's your shoutcast server so you need to look at its logs |
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| 19:54.03 | shake | its do disconnet the running dj from the shoutcast server |
| 19:54.21 | shake | so why is :9006 nit apache? |
| 19:54.33 | shake | do you mean its not from the apache system |
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| 19:55.40 | jelly-home | because it's shoutcast. It runs its own http server. |
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| 19:56.16 | shake | yes |
| 19:56.35 | shake | but its running its own http server |
| 19:57.03 | shake | yes it can be installed as satndalone |
| 19:57.08 | shake | standalone |
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| 19:59.29 | jelly-home | so you have to look at its own logs to see what a successful kick command looks like, not apache |
| 20:00.27 | shake | ok |
| 20:00.44 | shake | ill try to grab it out |
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| 20:01.11 | specing | "The questioner will keep changing his question untill it drives the helpers in the channel insane." |
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| 20:01.47 | dclarke | is ther a way to set windows themes and settings in GNOME 3.x on wheezy or am I screwed wit hthis new "Microsoft" looking interface ? |
| 20:02.18 | shake | jelly-home: <09/08/12@21:41:08> [dest: 213.191.139.215] Invalid resource request(/admin.cgi?mode=kicksrc) |
| 20:02.29 | dclarke | points at "Microsoft" means "you have no control and should not be allowed to have any" |
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| 20:02.53 | jelly-home | shake: that's me, and apparently your software does not accept that URL |
| 20:03.04 | shake | yes |
| 20:03.17 | jelly-home | so read the docs and find the one it does accept |
| 20:03.31 | jelly-home | shake: can you do the same thing clicking on the web interface? |
| 20:03.46 | shake | yes |
| 20:03.49 | jelly-home | where? |
| 20:03.52 | shake | ill do know |
| 20:04.21 | themill | dclarke: please try to ask questions without adding a little rant each time. You've already been asked ... |
| 20:05.02 | dclarke | themill, hey man .. I'm losing the one thing I can't get more of .. time. money is easy. energy is available. But time gets destroyed when user intefaces change .. so .. the rant is valid |
| 20:05.16 | dclarke | alos .. non negotiable |
| 20:05.18 | themill | dclarke: please rant in /dev/null |
| 20:05.26 | themill | you'll find more people who care there |
| 20:05.26 | jelly-home | shake: find out, and see what's the correct link |
| 20:05.40 | themill | dpkg: tell dclarke about gnome3 ranting |
| 20:05.50 | dclarke | great .. Debian has gone all corporate and microsfoty .. off I go to RHEL .. |
| 20:05.52 | shake | ok |
| 20:06.03 | themill | dclarke: bye! |
| 20:06.03 | Max^ | k |
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| 20:06.27 | dclarke | looks at dpkg |
| 20:06.31 | dclarke | fuk this |
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| 20:08.12 | shake | tehre is nothing on |
| 20:08.20 | shake | like kick |
| 20:08.58 | roy___ | i need those files listed here .. http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:09.05 | roy___ | can i download them somewhere ? |
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| 20:09.17 | roy___ | they're wifi firmware |
| 20:09.29 | shake | jelly-home |
| 20:09.42 | themill | roy___: aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi? |
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| 20:10.04 | roy___ | themill: no i'm installing debian op laptop .. and install asks me to provide these files on usb device |
| 20:10.51 | LtL | roy___: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/firmware-iwlwifi/download |
| 20:10.58 | themill | roy___: ah. There's a download link on the page you linked to. Alternatively, you can use iso images that already have the firmware on them (/msg dpkg firmware images) |
| 20:11.12 | bolt | isn't it easier to provide a cable just for the install? |
| 20:11.19 | bolt | ..or images with firmware, yes :) |
| 20:11.52 | roy___ | yeah i didn't realize |
| 20:12.02 | Ludvig | I have precisely this same problem, but it's not fixed: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2012-May/013625.html |
| 20:12.03 | roy___ | well if this works i'm fine |
| 20:12.11 | Ludvig | I'm on wheezy and my distro is fully upgraded |
| 20:13.12 | themill | Ludvig: you might get better answers about multiargh stuff in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:13.53 | Ludvig | lol, is 'multiargh' a typo or deliberate? :p |
| 20:14.00 | kl4m | Hi, I need to build a module on wheezy which I know works on 2.6.32, but I have trouble getting the headers; linux-headers-2.6.32-5-686 is asking for gcc-4.3. I'm currently booted on that kernel. |
| 20:14.04 | themill | Ludvig: both |
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| 20:14.28 | somiaj | kl4m: wheezy won't be supporting that older kernel. You should try to build it against the kernel in wheezy (3.2 I belive) |
| 20:14.34 | shake | jelly-home: the log file does not show any kick actions. |
| 20:14.48 | somiaj | kl4m: what module are you trying to build? |
| 20:14.58 | kl4m | the infamous martian-modem |
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| 20:15.27 | somiaj | does it still need a third party module in kernel 3.2 -- but due to the time between squeeze and wheezy it will be much better if you use the supported kernel |
| 20:16.18 | roy___ | anyone has an idea what a WEP key is ? |
| 20:16.53 | somiaj | roy___: its a key for wireless encryption. It is insecure and you should use WPA instead of you can |
| 20:17.01 | somiaj | (well it is easly cracked) |
| 20:17.13 | somiaj | but its a hex string, that is one of two set lengths (forget what they are) |
| 20:17.16 | themill | the squeeze installer doesn't support WPA (only WEP) |
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| 20:17.49 | somiaj | the squeeze installer is a pain to use for more wireless cards for firmware reasons too. Really hope they fix both those issues in wheezy |
| 20:18.14 | jelly-home | shake: since shoutcast isn't in Debian, I don't know what mroe to do but to tell you to read their documentation. I _think_ it's this: http://wiki.winamp.com/wiki/SHOUTcast_DNAS_Server_2 |
| 20:18.28 | roy___ | i'm not usign the squeeze installer |
| 20:18.34 | roy___ | but i have no clue where to get this wep key |
| 20:18.42 | themill | roy___: what installer are you using? |
| 20:18.46 | roy___ | on my ipad i just enter network name and a password |
| 20:18.52 | roy___ | themill: 1st dvd of base installation |
| 20:18.56 | shake | jelly but i have also a script which can do this kick action. cant i visit this skript |
| 20:19.00 | shake | which does it for me |
| 20:19.06 | themill | roy___: installing squeeze, presumably. |
| 20:19.07 | shake | maybe easier |
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| 20:19.28 | jelly-home | shake: sure, if it works, you can also read its source and figure out what it does |
| 20:19.42 | themill | somiaj: WPA works and the installer will grab firmware .debs off any usb key you have there. (or there are the firmware images) |
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| 20:20.10 | jelly-home | shake: hell, if you have a script on that same server, why not run that script from cron instead of messing with the web ui |
| 20:20.13 | shake | the skript is on a website it need a login for it too |
| 20:20.27 | shake | hahah |
| 20:20.38 | shake | 1st time im hadling with crownjobs |
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| 20:20.41 | shake | :) |
| 20:20.44 | shake | give me time |
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| 20:21.24 | shake | ill put that skript on the debian server |
| 20:21.35 | shake | and run it from it directory |
| 20:21.36 | shake | ? |
| 20:22.03 | jelly-home | probably, yes |
| 20:22.08 | shake | ill try this know |
| 20:22.12 | shake | *now |
| 20:22.14 | shake | :) |
| 20:22.38 | shake | just will take a little bit of time |
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| 20:23.03 | chico39_ | someone knows the card is to quit smoking? http://reducercard.xopie.com |
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| 20:31.47 | kl4m | fyi somiaj - something's wrong with the martian-modem package... I just went to /usr/src/modules/martian-modem/source and make && make install and it's working fine. module-assistant shows no obvious error message but refuses to install it, even with --non-inter. I'll file a bug monday. |
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| 20:33.03 | somiaj | kl4m: have you tried to use make-kpkg |
| 20:33.17 | somiaj | as opposed to letting module-assistant handel it for you |
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| 20:35.17 | kl4m | somiaj, I don't have any linux-source right now, only the headers |
| 20:35.46 | somiaj | make-kpkg as a modules_image option to make packages of modules. So I don't think it requires the source but only the headers |
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| 20:52.42 | shake | jelly-home: i got that script now on the webpage |
| 20:52.54 | shake | its in the var/www |
| 20:53.02 | shake | folder |
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| 20:55.20 | kl4m | somiaj, make-kpkg still reports "Module /usr/src/modules/martian-modem failed". Must be a simple upgrade bug since a simple make gives me martian_dev.ko without issues. |
| 20:55.51 | shake | now my cronjob should look like this: 5 22 * * 6 root run-parts var/www/kcik.php |
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| 20:56.28 | bolt | php as a scripting language for cron jobs? |
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| 20:56.49 | shake | it should just start |
| 20:56.50 | somiaj | kl4m: you can't see above what failed? What was the last part ot finish before the fail, it could just be giving the wrong exit code. |
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| 20:57.27 | shake | i didnt get u bolt |
| 20:57.55 | kl4m | shake, I think you're looking for : 5 22 * * * root php -f /var/www/kcik.php #assuming you want to run that php script every day |
| 20:58.03 | bolt | shake: i just thought php was a weird choice of language for something that runs as a cron job |
| 20:58.05 | shake | i dont want a yes |
| 20:58.13 | shake | yes you right |
| 20:58.16 | shake | kl4m |
| 20:58.20 | kl4m | shake, but you should also change root for "www-data" probably |
| 20:58.36 | shake | what do you mean |
| 20:58.46 | kl4m | shake, that's the user which the jobs runs under, root can be unsafe |
| 20:59.06 | shake | so i need to create a new user |
| 20:59.12 | shake | or is this the default user |
| 20:59.14 | shake | for cron |
| 20:59.24 | kl4m | www-data is the user under which Apache runs |
| 20:59.26 | shake | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.40 | shake | like this: 5 22 * * * www-data php -f /var/www/kcik.php |
| 21:00.14 | shake | ill try this now :) |
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| 21:05.19 | bolt | shake: where are you putting that line? |
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| 21:06.26 | solstis | hello |
| 21:06.36 | bolt | EHLO bolt |
| 21:06.36 | solstis | how can i reinstall without deleting /home |
| 21:06.53 | bolt | solstis: is /home on the same partition as / ? |
| 21:07.12 | solstis | it;s in a different partition |
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| 21:07.22 | bolt | solstis: then you don't have to do anything special |
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| 21:07.40 | bolt | solstis: install to your root partition, don't specify a separate /home, put it in fstab later |
| 21:08.27 | bolt | actually i'm not sure it would be deleted even if you did specify it at install. feel free to try that too, provided you have backups. which you should anyway. |
| 21:09.40 | bolt | the installer allows you to select "keep existing data" for every partition you set up, afaik |
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| 21:09.54 | solstis | great |
| 21:09.55 | solstis | thanks :) |
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| 21:10.07 | themill | amazing how you get the same answer from different channels :( |
| 21:10.26 | bolt | ? |
| 21:10.34 | solstis | just double checking ;) |
| 21:10.51 | bolt | solstis: make backups |
| 21:11.07 | themill | solstis: all it does is waste more people's time providing the same answer |
| 21:12.56 | solstis | themill, point taken! bolt, i have backups, just in case |
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| 21:21.23 | shake | bolt: i put that line in my crontab |
| 21:22.57 | bolt | shake: i don't think normal crontabs take a user argument at all. they run as the user the crontab belongs to. it will try to run a command called "www.data". cron.d takes a user |
| 21:23.24 | shake | i dont know |
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| 21:26.51 | shake | now i get u |
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| 21:27.23 | shake | ill try this now: 25 23 * * * /usr/bin/curl http:// |
| 21:27.29 | shake | thanks bolt |
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| 21:29.29 | irgendwer4711 | hi, which are the libs for mpeg1 encoding? |
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| 21:29.35 | shake | this should work but it doesnt |
| 21:29.48 | bolt | shake: why would you run curl and give it http:// ? |
| 21:30.08 | shake | i can run the skript as curl |
| 21:30.16 | shake | or directly from its driectroy |
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| 21:30.23 | shake | both is possible |
| 21:30.40 | shake | and i just want to run it |
| 21:30.41 | shake | :D |
| 21:30.41 | bolt | shake: sure, but giving curl http:// isn't going to run any script |
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| 21:30.55 | shake | hmm |
| 21:31.13 | shake | but here in this post in th eexamplke they do it |
| 21:31.15 | stonerfish | He wants to grab the root of the web |
| 21:31.17 | shake | like this |
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| 21:31.24 | shake | 30 0 * * * /usr/bin/curl http://www.domain.com/php_jobs/sql_job.php |
| 21:31.42 | bolt | shake: that could work, yes. but you need the entire address |
| 21:32.03 | shake | entire adress? you mean my host |
| 21:32.05 | shake | yes |
| 21:32.26 | bolt | shake: also I'd advice against running maintenance jobs through a webserver unless you have a very good reason to do so |
| 21:32.38 | bolt | shake: thought that might be more of a personal taste thing |
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| 21:33.29 | shake | why |
| 21:33.37 | shake | maintteance jobs |
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| 21:33.45 | shake | its not a mainteance job |
| 21:33.55 | bolt | shake: why are you running it from cron then? |
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| 21:36.47 | shake | beacuse i need to run this skript on diffferrent time over the week |
| 21:37.02 | shake | the skript is kicking a the autodj from a shoutcast server |
| 21:38.26 | j-horowitz | has anyone ever had success setting up a dual monitor with an ATI card (Radeon 7500) |
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| 21:38.38 | j-horowitz | I've been struggling so hard with this for hours, wondering if anyone has some advice |
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| 21:41.50 | shake | the command is good |
| 21:41.58 | shake | but tthe cronjob is ot running |
| 21:42.08 | shake | do i have to look for something |
| 21:42.23 | shake | i just deleted this # |
| 21:42.46 | shake | and added my command: 30 0 * * * /usr/bin/curl http://www.domain.com/php_jobs/sql_job.php |
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| 21:42.59 | shake | the server time seems to be right |
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| 21:43.12 | theseb | So if a domain has an A record and a CNAME record which takes precendence? i.e. will domain resolve web page at ip address of A record or do CNAME redirection? |
| 21:43.34 | maukd | o/` the time is right but I'm moving on o/` |
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| 21:45.05 | heoa | I installed LibreOffice but for some reason, it does not create symlinks, why? |
| 21:45.13 | heoa | How can I run it? |
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| 21:46.03 | themill | heoa: how did you install it and what symlinks do you expect to see? |
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| 21:47.31 | heoa | themill: sudo aptitude install libreoffice -- after updating the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:47.37 | heoa | I wan to run the libreoffice |
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| 21:47.44 | heoa | like terminal "$ libreoffice" |
| 21:47.52 | heoa | or from the Applications -panel in the Gnome-GUI |
| 21:48.12 | themill | heoa: why did you need to update your sources.list? |
| 21:50.37 | heoa | themill: now it is default |
| 21:50.41 | z_marco | theseb: can you please be more specific? Is it a question regarding bind? |
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| 21:51.06 | shake | i love dis |
| 21:51.11 | heoa | themill: but with that you cannot find libreoffice :( |
| 21:51.26 | themill | heoa: are you running squeeze? |
| 21:52.01 | theseb | z_marco: it is a question of how to get a custom domain name to point to an app hosted with google app engine |
| 21:52.17 | heoa | themill: yes |
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| 21:52.50 | themill | heoa: so for libreoffice, you need to add backports.debian.org to your sources.list. |
| 21:52.54 | themill | dpkg: tell heoa about bdo |
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| 21:53.14 | heoa | themill: done |
| 21:53.24 | themill | heoa: and you've run "apt-get update"/ |
| 21:53.34 | heoa | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 21:53.36 | heoa | themill: yes |
| 21:53.47 | themill | heoa: can you pastebin the output of "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install libreoffice" |
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| 21:55.35 | z_marco | theseb: please don't send me personal messages. I prefer the posts to be out in the open. I'm not sure how google app engine relates to Debian. I recommend to read about Bind and how DNS works. Specifically A records, CNAME and MX records. |
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| 21:58.07 | shake | how can i test my crontab? |
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| 21:58.17 | shake | it runs nothing |
| 21:58.34 | shake | * * * * * /bin/echo "every minute this output" |
| 21:59.27 | shake | i want to test it but oi cant find that |
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| 21:59.41 | graham_king | shake: crontab doesn't have access to your screen, it runs in the background |
| 22:00.02 | graham_king | try sending that output to a file or syslog |
| 22:00.02 | shake | but where is the output |
| 22:00.21 | graham_king | I think it might mail it to you, depends on setup. Most likely it's just lost. |
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| 22:00.49 | shake | hmm |
| 22:01.10 | shake | cant i test a cronjob |
| 22:01.14 | shake | which can be checked |
| 22:01.19 | graham_king | sure, this should work |
| 22:01.22 | shake | and easy to manage |
| 22:01.29 | graham_king | * * * * * /bin/echo "Hello" > /tmp/test |
| 22:01.49 | shake | thanks ill try this |
| 22:01.54 | shake | :) |
| 22:02.03 | shake | so the output will be imn tmp |
| 22:02.19 | graham_king | I'm not sure about the redirect, so if it doesn't work put the command in a shell script, and use that in the crontab |
| 22:02.35 | graham_king | yes, it should create file "/tmp/test" |
| 22:02.36 | z_marco | shake: don't forget to check that the cron daemon is running. |
| 22:02.52 | shake | how can i check this |
| 22:02.56 | shake | with top |
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| 22:03.30 | z_marco | shake: su to root. Goto /etc/init.d and issue the command ./cron status |
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| 22:04.34 | shake | Checking periodic command scheduler...done (running). |
| 22:04.47 | shake | @z_marco |
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| 22:05.19 | z_marco | shake: it's running, now you can perform your test as explained earlier.. |
| 22:05.28 | shake | its creted the file test |
| 22:05.36 | heoa | themill: Irony -- found it also here http://debian.stevenrosenberg.net/index.php/2011/06/24/installing-libreoffice-in-debian-squeeze-from-backports-without-a-hitch/ and got it working by the command, thank you for your guiding. |
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| 22:05.38 | shake | nice so its working |
| 22:05.42 | z_marco | shake: that means that your cron is working.. |
| 22:05.43 | shake | but not for my commeand |
| 22:05.53 | shake | ok |
| 22:06.20 | shake | ill try to put my command in the crontab again |
| 22:06.27 | shake | maybe it run now |
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| 22:06.35 | graham_king | shake: In IRC you don't need to put @ in fron of someone's name, just their plain name will alert them |
| 22:06.41 | graham_king | made the same mistake in the past |
| 22:07.03 | shake | allright |
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| 22:09.25 | shake | yes it works |
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| 22:09.52 | shake | but how much time need a cronjob before getting publish |
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| 22:10.42 | shake | 1 min |
| 22:10.46 | shake | ? |
| 22:11.13 | graham_king | shake: Yes the first * means every minute |
| 22:12.11 | thegerdur | Arch user here, considering jumping ship and moving to Debian. I have a question; Debian isn't rolling release but I assume that upgrading is handled by aptitude and does not require re installation, am I correct? |
| 22:12.32 | dax | thegerdur: correct |
| 22:12.39 | thegerdur | Thank you :) |
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| 22:13.14 | specing | thegerdur: Arch is cool, stay there |
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| 22:13.40 | thegerdur | I really like arch but I want something a little bit less bleeding edge for my vm server/desktop |
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| 22:14.35 | shake | no what i mean is how much needs the cronjob to getting reday. when i configure a job now which should be execute in 5 min |
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| 22:17.21 | shake | im asking because its not running the jobs on the configurated time |
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| 22:18.53 | shake | can it be possible that the server time is not running the jobs because of a wrong ti9mke on the server. but i checked it with date |
| 22:19.12 | shake | and it says: Sun Sep 9 00:17:54 CEST 2012 |
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| 22:20.42 | Studious | hi, does anyone know how to compile a custom kernel for android phone ? |
| 22:20.45 | LtL | shake: just exactly how do you edit your crontab job? ... plus, the job will use system time. also, google must have a million tutorials on the subjest and man crontab is quite explicit! g'luck. :) |
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| 22:21.13 | shake | yes google helped much |
| 22:21.35 | LtL | shake: you don't seem to be having any success |
| 22:22.19 | shake | yes i have success |
| 22:22.33 | shake | the job is running |
| 22:22.40 | LtL | shake: good, just wondering :) |
| 22:22.43 | shake | when i put it on every minute |
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| 22:23.02 | shake | just its not doing it on time |
| 22:23.08 | shake | :( |
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| 22:24.43 | LtL | shake: is the system extremely busy? |
| 22:25.17 | shake | not really |
| 22:25.49 | shake | 100 mb ram is free |
| 22:25.53 | shake | and 3 gb |
| 22:25.56 | shake | space |
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| 22:26.12 | shake | i think its my sytax |
| 22:26.23 | shake | on the crontab |
| 22:26.24 | LtL | shake: very odd, does cron email root when it completes and whats the timestamp in comparison to the intended execution time |
| 22:26.46 | LtL | shake: its gotta be syntax, usually is. |
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| 22:28.21 | LtL | shake: by the way, extensive use of the enter key is frowned upon. :) |
| 22:29.28 | shake | now the syntax i used this : 40 0 * * * / |
| 22:29.45 | shake | this is running now the commenad everyday on 0:40 |
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| 22:30.21 | shake | i know this behaviour is like smocking |
| 22:30.28 | shake | its a bad habbit+ |
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| 22:46.27 | bcv | all: has anyone used mplayer with bluetooth and controlled using avrcp ? |
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| 22:50.08 | shake | i dont know why its not running the jobs on time. when i configure in the crontab to run that job on every minute. it works. does someone has an idea. |
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| 22:51.24 | shake | is there no logs for the cronjobs? |
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| 22:55.01 | LtL | shake: /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:55.31 | shake | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:56.13 | GuidoLamacchina | hi |
| 22:57.14 | GuidoLamacchina | is it possible to install an OS on a notebook , using something like PXE/netboot to boot a dvd that's inserted on a desktop pc? |
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| 22:57.51 | thegerdur | with pxe yes |
| 22:57.52 | Devastator | GuidoLamacchina why not? |
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| 22:58.49 | Devastator | GuidoLamacchina http://wiki.debian.org/PXE |
| 22:59.35 | blackshirt | what is pxe booting? |
| 22:59.40 | GuidoLamacchina | Devastator: thanks. |
| 23:00.22 | Devastator | blackshirt it boots from the ethernet card |
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| 23:01.23 | blackshirt | thats mean for network booting? |
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| 23:01.32 | shake | this what i get in the cron logs, i think its the user which is wrong: Sep 9 01:00:01 vs6u192 /USR/SBIN/CRON[31761]: (smmsp) CMD (test -x /etc/init.d/sendmail && /usr/share/sen dmail/sendmail cron-msp) |
| 23:02.03 | GuidoLamacchina | Devastator: that page seems to be referring to a debian installation via pxe. I 'm installing slackware on the notebook. The debian system is on the server side (the Desktop, the pxe server). How can i boot an iso with pxe? |
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| 23:02.56 | GuidoLamacchina | (an iso , or a dvd) |
| 23:04.11 | z_marco | GuidoLamacchina: What kind of hardware are you installing Debian? HP DL380/385? Blade? Dell? |
| 23:04.30 | Devastator | GuidoLamacchina then i guess you should look for support at #slackware |
| 23:04.40 | GuidoLamacchina | Devastator: why? |
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| 23:05.11 | Devastator | GuidoLamacchina because you need to check with them how to install via pxe |
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| 23:05.51 | GuidoLamacchina | Devastator: it would be on topic also if i were going to install windoze7, since i'm using a debian system as pxe/netboot server. |
| 23:06.12 | GuidoLamacchina | if i go to #slackware they'll tell me "you need to go on #debian" :) |
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| 23:07.13 | Devastator | GuidoLamacchina does your server has a problem? anything debian related? the instructions i passed is about the same, but every distro has a way to boot from pxe |
| 23:07.53 | GuidoLamacchina | z_marco: i have debian installed on a Desktop pc. What i need to do is: connect directly the pc with the notebook (via LAN cable), and use the PC to read the dvd and make the installation boot on the notebook |
| 23:08.07 | Devastator | things will likely change in "Provide the boot image" section, which is why i told you to go to #slackware |
| 23:08.11 | LtL | shake: in my experience if your job needs root privileges then su to root and type crontab -e if your syntax is wrong you will likely be warned. |
| 23:08.17 | GuidoLamacchina | I have the dvd, but if it's not ok i also have the iso file, on the desktop pc |
| 23:09.14 | GuidoLamacchina | Devastator: ok, i'll try |
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| 23:09.53 | shake | ok |
| 23:10.02 | shake | ill give that job root privilegs |
| 23:10.23 | shake | im logged in as root |
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| 23:11.19 | LtL | shake: just type crontab -e then, type the fields and command and exit. |
| 23:11.51 | shake | im everytime inside the crontab |
| 23:12.28 | shake | 15 1 * * 1 /usr/bin/curl http://domain.com |
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| 23:15.39 | LtL | shake: that will only run on the 1st day of the week |
| 23:15.55 | shake | ahh |
| 23:17.32 | shake | 19 1 * * * root /usr/bin/curl http://domain.com/script.php |
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| 23:18.46 | LtL | shake: minute | hour | day/month | month | day of week. that should run at 1.19 am every day iirc |
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| 23:19.35 | shake | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.36 | shake | You have new mail in /var/mail/root |
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| 23:20.16 | LtL | shake: crontab -l see how many crontabs you have going |
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| 23:21.22 | LtL | shake: i have a race to catch, good luck :) |
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| 23:21.42 | haylo | is it worth trying to put time into figurong out this debrif project? or should i just pursue a different course of action ? |
| 23:21.47 | shake | ok |
| 23:21.48 | shake | :D |
| 23:22.07 | shake | i put it now into the opastebin: |
| 23:22.09 | shake | http://pastebin.com/aSCyU3h2 |
| 23:22.12 | shake | have fun |
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| 23:25.51 | aBound | Howdy all, quick question does apt-get use automatic mirrors for say when a server fails to fetch a package does it switch to another server mirror by default or would I have to add it manually? |
| 23:25.52 | icarious | i have a lenovo laptop. my problem is whenever i am installing debian on it..after going through the installation steps correctly.. and installing grub2... grub is not coming up at all |
| 23:25.52 | shake | its working |
| 23:26.00 | shake | thnaks LtL |
| 23:26.01 | shake | :D |
| 23:26.16 | shake | i did a restart |
| 23:26.17 | shake | xD |
| 23:26.23 | shake | of the crontab |
| 23:28.43 | msnw | guys, kde or gnome? |
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| 23:29.37 | msnw | Are there visible performance differences? |
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| 23:30.24 | dvs | msnw: I'd be a lot more worried about the coming changes to Gnome 3 interface. |
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| 23:30.55 | msnw | dvs: no one uses that shiny new gnome 3. I'm talking about gnome2 here |
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| 23:31.32 | msnw | gnome vs kde, wich one #debian? |
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| 23:31.40 | dvs | msnw: The next Debian will |
| 23:31.54 | msnw | dvs: Don't upgrade? |
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| 23:33.25 | dvs | If you choose Gnome, yes |
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| 23:33.40 | msnw | anyways, should I get the gnome or kde? I'm looking for performance, not for looks. |
| 23:34.08 | dvs | !start a dm war |
| 23:34.08 | dpkg | kdm is the one true way! |
| 23:34.15 | dvs | yeah |
| 23:34.48 | msnw | okay |
| 23:34.50 | symlink | *facepalm*, just get fluxbox or any of the *box-es |
| 23:35.15 | shake | hwo can i clean my mails on the system? |
| 23:35.30 | dvs | mutt? |
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| 23:35.36 | msnw | I'm not looking for lucks... I'm looking for performance, even a no-gui would work for me, symlink |
| 23:35.36 | shake | or should i delete the mailbox |
| 23:35.49 | symlink | gnome/kde will just fill your system with unnecessary junk |
| 23:35.58 | msnw | shake: you could try wiping the partition? |
| 23:36.13 | symlink | well fluxbox is a window manager, so it's as barebones as it gets |
| 23:36.14 | msnw | shake: I always use dd to clean my mail. |
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| 23:36.39 | shake | what is dd clean |
| 23:37.34 | shake | can i do this: rm /var/spool/mail/rfestus |
| 23:38.14 | msnw | If you want to do it the hardway, sure. |
| 23:38.23 | shake | :D |
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| 23:39.12 | shake | is this not the easiest way. to delete them one by one i need secondary programms on my machine? |
| 23:39.34 | LtL | shake: install mutt, it's cli, root's mail should by default goto primary/first user's mbox, run mutt, delete mail. thats a safe way. |
| 23:39.38 | peterrooney | shake: you could do that, or you could just read it. mail (part of bsd-mailx) allows bulk deletes |
| 23:39.55 | shake | okay |
| 23:40.26 | shake | i read them |
| 23:41.13 | shake | but ill try install mutt now |
| 23:41.25 | shake | ^^ i need experience |
| 23:41.31 | msnw | I will never install debian.. Cause I can't decide wether to choose between kde and gnome.. I used them both.. But now I can't decide.. Am I the average mac user? |
| 23:42.07 | msnw | This is like deciding wether to get the mac with retina or the one without.. priceless. |
| 23:42.26 | LtL | msnw: xfce4 is lightweight and quite nice. |
| 23:42.58 | msnw | LtL, but are there packages for it? |
| 23:43.30 | LtL | msnw: i haven't run it for years but my guess is certainly affirmative. |
| 23:44.10 | msnw | I also used x11.. |
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| 23:44.19 | msnw | on bsd if I recall right |
| 23:44.52 | msnw | what do you use right now, LtL? |
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| 23:46.05 | LtL | msnw: squeeze/gnome2 |
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| 23:46.20 | msnw | gnome2 it is then, thanks. |
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| 23:47.43 | LtL | msnw: quite welcome |
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| 23:50.33 | crocket | Debian squeeze is stuck with ruby 1.9.1 |
| 23:50.49 | crocket | And in slackware, gitlab fails to set up DB with ruby 1.9.1 |
| 23:50.59 | crocket | I don't know what would happen in debian squeeze. |
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| 23:52.51 | msnw | wheezy is debian with gnome 3? |
| 23:53.28 | msnw | If so, can I get back to gnome 2? |
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| 23:55.04 | LtL | msnw: wheezy is gnome3 but you have choices, going back to gnome2 is not one of them afaik. |
| 23:55.10 | msnw | wheezy is still unstable? |
| 23:55.15 | crocket | How do I obtain ruby 1.9.3 on squeeze? |
| 23:55.35 | LtL | msnw: yeah, not ready yet |
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| 23:56.27 | msnw | meh.. I need the new linux kernel.. Can I update it offline? |
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| 23:57.12 | LtL | crocket: ruby on my squeeze is version 4.5? |
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