| 00:00.03 | LtL | msnw: with the proper headers and image .. probably |
| 00:00.09 | crocket | "fatal: Not a git repository (or any parent up to mount parent )" |
| 00:00.49 | LtL | msnw: or you could compile it from source.. like the old days :) |
| 00:01.31 | msnw | heh okay, thank you. |
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| 00:05.48 | bizhanMona | Hello, I just installed squeeze backport amd64, how could I find out the list of the packages and their dependencies? Thx |
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| 00:06.58 | bizhanMona | The reason I am asking , is I am trying to create a minimalistic debian distro on my embedded system. |
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| 00:18.34 | haylo | bizhanMona: if you just type aptitude there is a ui in which you can see programs and libraries, installed and not installed |
| 00:19.27 | haylo | i am trying to build a debian debirf system to run in ram btu i am not quite understanding how to do it |
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| 00:20.02 | wutm | Hi, so, where can I find some 3.2 kernel live backports? |
| 00:20.12 | haylo | but they have an iso where you can run a little web browser in debian and it is only 120mibs all in ram |
| 00:20.37 | haylo | wutm: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 00:20.43 | dvs | !backports |
| 00:20.43 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 00:20.54 | wutm | haylo, I can't, I'm on windows :( |
| 00:21.00 | wutm | It's a pain. |
| 00:21.01 | haylo | you might have to add a backports repo to /etc/apt/sources/list and aptitude updtae |
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| 00:21.10 | crocket | gitlab is a pain to set up. |
| 00:21.21 | wutm | guys, guys, I can't get internet on my debian |
| 00:21.29 | wutm | I need a distribution with 3.2 in it |
| 00:21.40 | Devastator | !kmuto |
| 00:21.41 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 00:21.41 | dvs | !kmuto |
| 00:21.46 | wutm | Would I be here if I would have internet access? :) |
| 00:21.47 | dvs | dang |
| 00:22.04 | Devastator | my first win hehe |
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| 00:22.28 | haylo | how are you here without internet access wutm ? |
| 00:22.40 | wutm | I knew about kmuto, but it doesn't have live dist |
| 00:23.01 | wutm | haylo, I can't access my internets on debian. I can on windows however. |
| 00:23.03 | haylo | il try to find the link for you so you can wget it |
| 00:23.14 | haylo | or w/e it is that you do with windows :) |
| 00:23.20 | Devastator | wutm first things first, what are trying to do? |
| 00:23.21 | wutm | Thanks for your kindness haylo! |
| 00:23.31 | wutm | haylo: I actually don't use it. |
| 00:23.43 | wutm | haylo: except for games and virtualizing |
| 00:23.59 | haylo | where are you so i can make sure to find the mirror :D |
| 00:24.06 | wutm | Devastator get a live distro with 3.2 so I can roll it on my hdd. |
| 00:24.25 | wutm | haylo: doesn't matter >.> I'll take any cruel speeds |
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| 00:25.15 | Devastator | are you trying to fix something? |
| 00:25.27 | wutm | I've downloaded a 800MB over a 10kbps before.. |
| 00:25.37 | wutm | Devastator, I am trying to get my drivers working... |
| 00:25.48 | Devastator | ethernet? |
| 00:25.53 | Devastator | wireless? |
| 00:26.01 | wutm | Devastator: wireless, sound too. |
| 00:26.26 | Devastator | you might need firmware-nonfree |
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| 00:27.17 | wutm | Devastator: Only firmwares there are for my specific cards are 3.0+ |
| 00:28.00 | Devastator | i'm only saying the kernel itself might not be enough |
| 00:29.28 | wutm | 2.6.38+ is the linux i need |
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| 00:29.45 | wutm | squeeze comes with 2.6.32 :( |
| 00:29.54 | dvs | kmuto has 3.2 |
| 00:30.02 | wutm | but it isn't live.. |
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| 00:30.19 | wutm | I can't install kmuto from usb.. |
| 00:30.35 | Devastator | install from net |
| 00:30.50 | Devastator | wutm amd64? |
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| 00:30.57 | wutm | yes devastator |
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| 00:32.35 | Devastator | i could only find the dummy package |
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| 00:33.54 | Devastator | wutm is this a fresh install? if so, go for kmuto |
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| 00:34.22 | wutm | Devastator, I arleady have debian on my hdd.. |
| 00:34.50 | Devastator | wutm recently installed? |
| 00:34.54 | wutm | should I get the source 'n compile, or is there an actual live version? |
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| 00:34.58 | wutm | Devastator, yes. |
| 00:35.18 | Devastator | wutm i'm suggesting you to reinstall using kmuto images |
| 00:35.53 | wutm | I can't use them via grub/usb... It will get an error at cd prompt |
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| 00:36.34 | Devastator | how did you install your debian? |
| 00:36.36 | wutm | Can I mount the usb to the cd slot? |
| 00:36.43 | wutm | live |
| 00:36.45 | larvatar | jojoj |
| 00:36.53 | larvatar | Hola |
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| 00:37.43 | Devastator | wutm sorry, i can't understand, i guess i can't help you.. |
| 00:37.44 | wutm | I just got the live version, got it on a usb, installed grub, and installed it from the gui.. |
| 00:38.19 | wutm | it's okay... thanks for trying |
| 00:38.20 | Devastator | wutm and why you can't do the same thing again using another image? |
| 00:38.43 | Devastator | it doesn't need to be 'live' |
| 00:38.51 | Devastator | it's a installer |
| 00:38.54 | wutm | Devastator: kmuto doesn't have live versions, I can't use it from the usb |
| 00:39.09 | Devastator | does your computer have cd? |
| 00:39.13 | wutm | It prompts for a cd |
| 00:39.20 | Devastator | can you burn a cd and use it? |
| 00:39.26 | wutm | I can't.. |
| 00:39.36 | wutm | If I could, I would... |
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| 00:40.12 | Devastator | wutm have you ever heard of winimage? |
| 00:40.52 | wutm | First time, should I download it? |
| 00:42.05 | wutm | heh Devastator |
| 00:42.14 | wutm | I tried that with grub, didn't work... |
| 00:42.43 | Devastator | wutm https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer |
| 00:42.45 | wutm | but well, I'll try, thanks. |
| 00:42.47 | Devastator | sorry |
| 00:42.52 | Devastator | i meant image writer |
| 00:43.05 | Devastator | download kmuto and use this program to flash kmuto image into your usb |
| 00:44.00 | wutm | thank you!! |
| 00:45.11 | wutm | Thanks alot. It's brilliant. |
| 00:45.41 | wutm | Have a nice night, Devastator. |
| 00:45.49 | Devastator | welcome :) |
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| 00:50.53 | jaggz | anyone have an idea if I can use linux's dmraid support to migrate from a raid mirror (raid 1) from nvidia to intel raid? |
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| 00:51.38 | erre | hii, i have aprovlem with video in debian - what to do |
| 00:52.02 | jaggz | there's a windows7 x64 partition involved too, which likes to bsod at me now that I'm in intel instead of nvidia. but linux recognizes the drives as nvidia as it is (although there's no mb support.. I've actually not tried setting up the drives as a single mirrored device, only accessed them as separate drives) |
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| 00:52.41 | erre | someone here in this time? |
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| 00:54.12 | bizhanMona | halyo what is debirf? |
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| 00:55.04 | streuner | bizhanMona: no idea, maybe you tell me? |
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| 00:55.38 | debster | is there a way to copy files one after another, instead of at the same time, automatically? |
| 00:56.16 | jaggz | what? |
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| 00:56.33 | bizhanMona | is there a way to create a ramdisk from squeeze backport amd46? |
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| 00:59.12 | nadley | hi all |
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| 01:03.57 | WaterRatj | How do you create a new user in debian wheezy cli with sudo rights? |
| 01:04.28 | engla | add a new user, add the user to the sudo group, that should be enough |
| 01:05.04 | WaterRatj | How do you add a new user to debian wheezy cli then |
| 01:05.24 | WaterRatj | ^^ |
| 01:05.42 | LtL | WaterRatj: adduser |
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| 01:12.54 | haylo | if i dont have a /boot/grub/menu.lst should i make one ? |
| 01:13.08 | haylo | this walkthrough is calling for it, but i dont see the file ? |
| 01:13.27 | wilee-nilee | haylo, Areyou sure you are not running grub 2 |
| 01:14.06 | epsilon | if you does not have /boot/grub/menu.lst, your pc is using some kind of magic to boot or using lilo |
| 01:14.21 | haylo | well its debian stable and i am inside of /boot/grub/ maybe i should update-grub |
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| 01:16.20 | LtL | haylo: there is no menu.1st in squeeze |
| 01:16.44 | fr1gg | Is there a more "official" avenue for enabling WMA playback [through totem] than deb-multimedia.org ? |
| 01:19.18 | haylo | where should i add the location of kernels that i have debootstrapped onto my debian system in squeeze. this guide says to use the menu.lst file |
| 01:19.27 | haylo | sorry to be a pain |
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| 01:23.17 | fr1gg | haylo: not exactly sure what you mean by 'debootstrapped'... but things such as `grub-mkconfig` | `update-grub` | /boot/grub/grub.cfg | /etc/grub.d/ | /etc/default/grub may be relevant :P |
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| 01:25.47 | haylo | frigg a debian debootstrap ionstall |
| 01:25.53 | haylo | install* |
| 01:26.06 | haylo | i dont think update-grub will find it though |
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| 01:26.21 | haylo | its in my home directory |
| 01:27.17 | fr1gg | also curious, why are you using debootstrap? |
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| 01:28.14 | haylo | it is part of the debirf procesw, its a pain really |
| 01:28.39 | haylo | dont mean to take up your guys time- its kind of a fringe topic |
| 01:28.56 | haylo | i think i can chroot in and update-grub though, like you were syaing |
| 01:29.28 | fr1gg | maybe convince someone to invite you into #debian-devel ? :P |
| 01:30.46 | haylo | its pretty cool. i think its an almost noobifiable way to make debian run in ramdisk |
| 01:31.09 | haylo | im not sure though, im probably just barking up the wrong tree as usual |
| 01:31.38 | epsilon | depends on what you want with debootstrap, if it's just chroot'ed debian on a host mashine not required to boot, there is no grub inside debootstrap |
| 01:31.57 | epsilon | but if you use debootstrap to install bootable debian, you need to install grub2 |
| 01:31.59 | fr1gg | haylo: maybe just use ACPI suspend/restore? |
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| 01:38.42 | haylo | epsilon: yeah debirf is maybe not ready to use really. but i think if i can get the part of it that is a debootstrap correct then it will be good to go |
| 01:39.49 | haylo | debootstrap has nothing installed almost :P |
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| 01:40.06 | fr1gg | Is there a more "official" avenue for enabling WMA playback [through totem] than deb-multimedia.org ? |
| 01:42.52 | roy___ | all these packages you can install with apt-get in Ubuntu like mame and zsnes aren't available for Debian ? |
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| 01:44.08 | fr1gg | roy___: there's not provided in the official debian repositories. That doesn't mean they're not available. |
| 01:44.14 | haylo | roy___> you probably just need to add the correct repositories and apt-get update |
| 01:44.51 | haylo | i find that debian does almost nothing without a non-free repo added to it |
| 01:44.53 | fr1gg | and in those two specific cases, mame seems to be available, whereas zsens isn't |
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| 01:45.15 | roy___ | so what should i do specifically to get mame ? |
| 01:45.16 | haylo | and also you might want a backports, or testing repos to try and get newer packages |
| 01:45.28 | haylo | roy___> man man |
| 01:46.15 | haylo | http://wiki.debian.org/Mame |
| 01:46.45 | fr1gg | roy___: add "non-free" to your deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list ... then sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xmame-sdl |
| 01:47.18 | roy___ | thanks ! |
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| 01:48.38 | roy___ | fr1gg: you mean something like "deb-src http://nonfree.debian.org/" |
| 01:49.04 | fr1gg | no... |
| 01:49.28 | fr1gg | just tak on "non-free" to the end of an existing *NON*-src line |
| 01:49.44 | fr1gg | ie, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 01:50.06 | roy___ | everything is commented out in that file |
| 01:50.20 | roy___ | oh wait |
| 01:50.39 | roy___ | think i get it now |
| 01:52.01 | fr1gg | maar u wilt waarschijnlijk niet de mijne kopiƫren precies zoals je waarschijnlijk je in Nederland ;) |
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| 01:58.46 | roy___ | fr1gg: well i got sudo aptitude update working but install xmame-sdl says package not found |
| 01:59.02 | roy___ | fr1gg: would i need to reboot after making changes to sources.list ? |
| 01:59.18 | fr1gg | no... |
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| 01:59.38 | fr1gg | results of `aptitude search xmame-sdl` ? |
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| 02:00.35 | fr1gg | roy___: `cat /etc/apt/sources.list|grep non-free` |
| 02:02.10 | roy___ | deb http://security.debian.org/squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 02:02.39 | roy___ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/squeeze-updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:04.05 | fr1gg | hmm.. seems weird |
| 02:04.41 | fr1gg | try adding a line like this: |
| 02:04.41 | fr1gg | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 02:05.04 | roy___ | ok |
| 02:06.13 | roy___ | mm i did but makes no difference |
| 02:06.56 | fr1gg | you did `sudo aptitude update` ? |
| 02:07.48 | roy___ | aah yeah |
| 02:07.54 | roy___ | now it works |
| 02:07.55 | roy___ | great |
| 02:07.57 | fr1gg | ;) |
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| 02:11.15 | roy___ | fr1gg: is there a way so i could print a list of all available packages ? |
| 02:11.33 | fr1gg | uhm... |
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| 02:12.51 | fr1gg | aptitude search ~A |
| 02:12.51 | fr1gg | but, it's probably better to search with specific keywords... |
| 02:13.23 | roy___ | ok |
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| 02:13.37 | fr1gg | aptitude search <key>, or use <key> ~i for all installed, or ~i followed by a keyword for installed that match keyword like ~igedit |
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| 02:31.38 | haylo | if i amde a debian live system with persistence, could i make a normal user and have ahome directory and whatnot ? |
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| 02:32.34 | voltagex | hi, the URL for the keyserver in http://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning#Step_5:_Get_your_key_digitally_signed doesn't seem to work anymore but I don't have permission to edit it |
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| 02:33.24 | nsadmin | haylo, if you could not, then you'd be stuck with whatever was on the cd |
| 02:33.40 | nsadmin | so I suspect you can |
| 02:34.24 | nsadmin | haylo, what has you want to do a live system? |
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| 02:42.04 | nsadmin | http://mohan43u.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/howto-bake-persistent-live-usb-debian-way/ |
| 02:42.39 | haylo | nsadmin: i just want my old butted computer to be able to wrok right. so i am trying to make a ram based debian system |
| 02:42.47 | CQ | is there a way to have fsck run only if it hasn't run in 90 days (or similar)? I want to force a check on startup if that's the case... |
| 02:43.42 | nsadmin | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/debian-live-flash-drive-install-from-windows/ |
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| 02:44.03 | fr1gg | more "official" avenue for enabling WMA playback [through totem] than deb-multimedia.org ? anyone ? :) :) |
| 02:44.48 | nsadmin | there's a coupla articles I found you could check out, and/or you could get a list by googling for debian live persistent |
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| 02:45.41 | LtL | CQ: as root, 'touch /forcefsck ; then reboot |
| 02:45.44 | nsadmin | other than to make more guesses (which I suspect are not useful to you) and searches, I'm at the edge of my knowledge here |
| 02:46.01 | haylo | nsadmin: thank you. do you think this is the best course to take for my situation (needing a ram based system) ? |
| 02:46.49 | nsadmin | my first hit on that is, a ram-based system seems fragile |
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| 02:47.18 | nsadmin | and, I'm not sure if that's what a live does or not |
| 02:47.52 | nsadmin | so the kernel and modules, processes and what, a ramdisk would all be in ram? |
| 02:47.55 | CQ | LtL: these are encrypted filesystems, I need to luksOpen them first... will that still work? |
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| 02:48.14 | LtL | CQ: that i do not know, sorry. |
| 02:48.16 | haylo | yeah i think liveCDs are essentially always running in ram |
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| 02:48.31 | nycjv321 | hey is there a package for Eclipse EE? |
| 02:48.34 | haylo | nsadmin: one of these articles you linked is really good. thank you |
| 02:48.37 | CQ | LtL: what I was hoping for is a fsck --interval 90d option or something liek that, but haven't found it |
| 02:48.52 | nsadmin | ypu're very welcome |
| 02:50.34 | LtL | CQ: i forget where that setting is myself. |
| 02:51.47 | jeep | hello |
| 02:51.55 | LtL | jeep: hi |
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| 03:12.35 | etisfo | I've setup BIND9 on my server to handle DNS for my domain (also have wildcard subdomain setup). I have two nameserver. If I wanted to host someone else, do I just give them those nameservers, and it will point to my server (nginx handles webserver), or do I have to setup BIND for that domaint too? |
| 03:12.40 | nycjv321 | is it possible to install 32bit packages on 64bit (squeeze)? |
| 03:12.42 | WinstonSmith | CQ: tune2fs does it IIRC |
| 03:13.12 | WinstonSmith | tune2fs -c |
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| 03:13.59 | WinstonSmith | or -i |
| 03:14.12 | WinstonSmith | depends if you want times mounted or days |
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| 03:15.46 | jeep | nycjv321: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 |
| 03:17.34 | jeep | nycjv321: actuallly thats old maybe better info out there |
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| 03:23.48 | jaggz | how do you suspend/standby through shell? |
| 03:24.10 | jaggz | my linux rescue cd doesn't have pm-suspend (no pm-* |
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| 03:28.30 | jeep | i wouldnt think a rescue would tke long enough to need suspend |
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| 03:38.44 | jaggz | heh |
| 03:38.47 | jaggz | bbl .. |
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| 04:55.39 | setuid | I'm trying to build a .deb package for netatalk 3.0, based on the source package for 2.1.2 (latest in Debian), but when I copy the ./debian/ directory from the 2.1.2 src tree into the netatalk 3.0 unpacked source tree and run dbuild, it still thinks it's building for 2.1.2 |
| 04:55.54 | setuid | I cant' find any reference to 2.1.2 inside the 3.0/debian/* directory at all |
| 04:55.57 | setuid | How can I do this? |
| 04:56.52 | zinx | setuid: it's generally in debian/changelog |
| 04:57.13 | setuid | So debuild actually parses the changelog? |
| 04:57.16 | zinx | setuid: yes |
| 04:57.37 | zinx | setuid: just put an entry with * New upstream version. * NMU |
| 04:57.58 | zinx | setuid: and appropriate version/date/priority/etc |
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| 05:03.44 | setuid | parsechangelog/debian: warning: debian/changelog(l6): badly formatted trailer line |
| 05:03.49 | setuid | blech, doesn't like it |
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| 05:04.05 | setuid | I cloned the last changelog entry, bumped the version, doesn't like it |
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| 05:07.00 | setuid | Ok, seems to be building now, let's see if this works |
| 05:13.29 | setuid | That didn't work, works fine when I build by hand, but not when I use the smae build commands in debian/rules |
| 05:14.06 | setuid | Is there a way to take the cleanly-compiled source tree and make a deb out of it? |
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| 05:18.10 | setuid | Looks like the latest NetFP doesn't support Apple's AFP 3.3 either |
| 05:18.12 | setuid | sigh |
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| 05:32.28 | luftikuss | [wheezy/sid Xfce] How can I determine my current window manager? |
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| 05:38.01 | jeep | luftikuss: :O |
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| 05:44.50 | somiaj | setuid: Have you looked at uupdate |
| 05:44.58 | somiaj | setuid: /msg dpkg uupdate |
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| 06:04.24 | jelly-home | luftikuss: well, xfce users typically use the default xfwm4, if it's running than that's probably it |
| 06:04.30 | jelly-home | then* |
| 06:06.07 | luftikuss | jelly-home: I believe that xfwm4 is not running. Rather something with "simple" in it's name. |
| 06:08.52 | luftikuss | There is no environment variable XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP set. |
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| 06:10.15 | ronny | hi |
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| 06:10.49 | ronny | i added unstable to my sources.list so i can install firefox aurora, now upgrade wants to update everything else to unstable as well |
| 06:11.22 | Devastator | hehe, you made a big mistake doing that |
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| 06:11.57 | ronny | Devastator: i mainly want to pin everything thats not needed for firefu to testing, how do i do that (the preferences file confuses me) |
| 06:11.59 | jeep | ronny: take unstable out and run apt-get update |
| 06:12.14 | ronny | jeep: then i cant keep the firefox aurora build |
| 06:12.37 | Devastator | ronny have you checked http://mozilla.debian.net? |
| 06:13.56 | ronny | Devastator: yes, it needs ttesting for libmozjs17 |
| 06:14.00 | ronny | eh unstable i mean |
| 06:14.04 | wilee-nilee | ronny, Was is this ppa it only has firefox aurora and flash plugins https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/firefox-aurora |
| 06:14.22 | jelly-home | ppas are built for ubuntu, not debian, wilee-nilee |
| 06:14.27 | ronny | i figured what was wrong - had a typo in the preferences |
| 06:14.39 | wilee-nilee | oops wrong channel my baf jelly |
| 06:14.47 | wilee-nilee | jelly-home, |
| 06:14.48 | ronny | release n=something instead of release a=something |
| 06:14.54 | ronny | now it works as expected again |
| 06:14.56 | jeep | wilee-nilee: hate when that hap[pens ! |
| 06:15.08 | wilee-nilee | lol yeah |
| 06:16.12 | jelly-home | ronny: if you're very lucky, it did not pull any other dependencies from unstable. after wheezy becomes stable, that setup might cause trouble |
| 06:17.14 | somiaj | you can use aptitude to search which packages you have come from unstable and not wheezy |
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| 06:17.37 | jeep | ronny: you could always be fearless and just use unstable |
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| 06:19.40 | lowtax | hi, i just upgraded mysql-common, and its broken...how can i downgrade? |
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| 06:20.11 | ronny | jelly-home: i currently configured testing to have a higher prio than unstable, so i should be reasonably safe? |
| 06:23.18 | somiaj | ronny: not really, because what happens is you pull in a package that depends on a core (libc6, dpkg, or other core packages) which then get upgraded to unstable, so your core system is mixed between stable and unstable packages. |
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| 06:24.33 | somiaj | ronny: it is better to make a backport (though right now the difference between the two is small). Stick with wheezy if you want to stabalize with it (which is my suggestion) |
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| 06:25.00 | luftikuss | In order to increase my bash history length, do I have to add a line "export HISTSIZE=10000" in ~.bashrc? |
| 06:25.14 | acemi | lowtax: maybe installing the old package with dpkg works, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-common_... |
| 06:25.45 | somiaj | lowtax: by upgraded, what version of debian are you running and what did you upgrade it to? |
| 06:25.55 | nkuttler | luftikuss: man bash will tell you |
| 06:26.46 | luftikuss | nkuttler: Do you know how many lines of dense mathematical text 'man bash' produces? |
| 06:27.05 | dax | 5465 |
| 06:27.49 | nkuttler | luftikuss: do you want to learn how to search in your pager? |
| 06:28.04 | lowtax | acemi, thanks |
| 06:28.26 | lowtax | somiaj, i guess it was a dotdeb some mariadb newbrokencrap |
| 06:29.16 | somiaj | lowtax: there is your problem. You can use dpkg to manually install packages and will probaly have to trace errors and fix it by hand |
| 06:29.36 | somiaj | lowtax: dotdeb is bad bad juju, my experience just says stay away from unoffical debs and make your own backports if needed. |
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| 06:29.54 | luftikuss | nkuttler: I know how to search in my pager. So your message is not helpful. |
| 06:30.17 | lowtax | its been fine for me |
| 06:30.29 | lowtax | cept this once, easy enough to fix |
| 06:30.58 | somiaj | luftikuss: there are multiple places you can set an envvar for your shell, but yes I would suggest $HOME/.bashrc for that user. |
| 06:32.45 | luftikuss | somiaj: Thank you for your information. |
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| 06:35.19 | jmd | How can I make sure that when X starts, it has the correct keymap? |
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| 06:35.54 | somiaj | jmd: xorg.conf, or modify the keymap in a startup script of your wm/desktop |
| 06:37.32 | jmd | somiaj, Any idea which startup script? There are so many. |
| 06:37.45 | simonlnu | ~/.xsession |
| 06:37.45 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
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| 06:38.20 | somiaj | jmd: no because it totally depends on how you run x, what your desktop or wm is. |
| 06:38.31 | jmd | Well I don't have a .xsession file, so it can't be that. |
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| 06:38.53 | simonlnu | .xsession always gets read no matter what |
| 06:39.03 | setuid | Looks like rebuilding 2.2.2 worked |
| 06:39.24 | setuid | I'll figure out how to patch and jump to 3.0. Building it clean works, building it using Debian's build system results in code-level failures. |
| 06:39.27 | jmd | simonlnu, It cannot get read if it doesn't exist. |
| 06:39.30 | simonlnu | well, that's not quite right |
| 06:39.45 | simonlnu | it doesn't if you choose a session other than default |
| 06:40.57 | jmd | I thought the default per user config file was $HOME/.xinitrc |
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| 06:43.48 | somiaj | debian prefers to use the .xsession file so it can be read with either startx or a display manager (provided you don't choose one of their preconfigured sessions) |
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| 06:47.04 | jmd | somiaj, ... and one of their preconfigured sessions happens to be labelled "system default" or similar. |
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| 06:47.23 | luftikuss | [wheezy/sid Xfce] How can I determine my current window manager? |
| 06:47.30 | somiaj | system default is the one to read .xsession jmd |
| 06:47.43 | somiaj | luftikuss: ps fax -- look at the running processes |
| 06:48.33 | jmd | Well like I said, I don't have a .xsession file. I have a .xinitrc file and that seems to be read on login. |
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| 06:49.14 | jmd | But I think the keymap is set before that is read. |
| 06:49.35 | somiaj | you could easily change the keymap in that startup script |
| 06:49.46 | somiaj | or man xorg.conf and configure the correct keymap there |
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| 06:50.03 | somiaj | (if you use a desktop like gnome it may have a keyboard setting you could use) |
| 06:50.14 | acemi | jmd: see setxkbmap |
| 06:50.54 | jmd | Yes, yes. But it's just non-sensical to have to ask the user to set the keymap everytime he logs in. |
| 06:51.20 | acemi | add this command to startup script |
| 06:51.20 | jmd | It is also very difficult to type in a command when the keys are all wrong. |
| 06:51.49 | jmd | It's also non-sensical for the keymap to be dependent on which desktop environment they happen to use. |
| 06:52.43 | jmd | somiaj, $ man xorg.conf |
| 06:52.43 | jmd | No manual entry for xorg.conf |
| 06:53.40 | jmd | acemi, You are suggesting that I change the startup script of every user on the system? |
| 06:54.37 | jeep | im at 72% of a install dvd after 4 days of downloading 1 or 2 more to go |
| 06:54.42 | somiaj | jmd: the man page is part of xserver-xorg-core package. |
| 06:55.00 | acemi | jmd: no, this is fine if you set the keymap for some users |
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| 06:55.30 | ronny | jeep: why do you need a whole install dvd? |
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| 06:57.09 | jeep | ronny: well internet is soo slow here i didnt want to attempt the network install |
| 06:57.33 | jeep | so i can work for multiple days on the dvd .. without having my computer down |
| 06:58.45 | ronny | i see |
| 06:59.50 | bizhanMona | hi how do I find package depencies? |
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| 07:01.32 | luftikuss | bizhanMona: For example, use 'aptitude why'. |
| 07:02.58 | Snuupy | Hey there, I'm running a vks, from ovh, with debian 6 that was just installed. I'm trying to follow this page to install webmin: http://www.webmin.com/deb.html - but I'm getting a few error, listed in this pastie: http://pastie.org/private/j3cnhoumgtomagtly9pqw |
| 07:03.18 | Snuupy | I've googled around, but apt-get -f install doesn't work, either =\ |
| 07:03.53 | Snuupy | could I get some help, please? |
| 07:04.36 | bizhanMona | How to make the minimalist debian, from squeexe backport amd64 image? |
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| 07:05.09 | nkuttler | !tell Snuupy about webmin |
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| 07:08.46 | Snuupy | nkuttler: but webmin's sorta half-installed - how do I remove it? |
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| 07:10.53 | nkuttler | Snuupy: dpkg --remove |
| 07:10.58 | Snuupy | ohhh |
| 07:11.05 | Snuupy | thanks! |
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| 07:12.34 | Snuupy | !tell |
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| 07:13.16 | Snuupy | Oh, that's awesome. |
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| 07:37.49 | sube | hall |
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| 07:41.23 | sube | qwdqwdq |
| 07:41.23 | sube | dq |
| 07:41.23 | sube | dqd |
| 07:41.24 | sube | qdqd |
| 07:41.24 | sube | qd |
| 07:41.24 | sube | q |
| 07:41.26 | sube | d |
| 07:41.36 | Snuupy | !ops |
| 07:41.36 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 07:41.40 | dax | sube: Something we can help you with? :) |
| 07:41.58 | Snuupy | oh, wow. that trigger actually exists. |
| 07:42.09 | dax | ... |
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| 07:42.35 | Max^ | okk |
| 07:42.42 | drigollier | hi all |
| 07:42.57 | sube | I had problems with the keyboard |
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| 07:46.27 | mah454 | How can calculate kernel load in system startup ? |
| 07:46.31 | mah454 | memory and CPU |
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| 07:52.37 | bolt | mah454: why would you want to? |
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| 07:53.23 | bolt | mah454: I'm pretty certain your system is starting as fast as it can. if you don't have "silent" in your boot parameters, you can see if it gets stuck on something for too long. |
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| 08:05.23 | dawud | bolt: it's not "silent", it's "quiet", and there have improvements WRT boot speed, check systemd for instance |
| 08:05.33 | dawud | have been* |
| 08:05.33 | jpinx | is there any reason for making the swap area on a hdd close to /, or can it be anywhere? |
| 08:06.10 | dawud | jpinx: / (the root filesystem) can be anywhere in a hard disk, what do you mean? |
| 08:06.45 | bolt | dawud: i'm pretty sure he would find "quiet" if he was looking for "silent" in his boot options :) |
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| 08:07.07 | dawud | bolt: sure |
| 08:08.08 | bolt | dawud: also improvements in boot speed is still a weird reason to measure stuff like memory consumption during boot, which is why i asked |
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| 08:10.08 | jpinx | dawud: I am contemplating moving the swap area away from being next to / |
| 08:10.34 | jpinx | just wanted to know if there are any restrictions or performance limits maybe |
| 08:11.26 | bolt | jpinx: as soon as you start swapping heavily, performance pretty much goes down the drain anyway |
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| 08:12.07 | bolt | jpinx: technically, if whatever you're loading in that makes you swap is physically close on a mechanical drive to where it would swap stuff out to, you might save off a few microseconds |
| 08:12.12 | bolt | jpinx: i wouldn't worry about it |
| 08:12.29 | namoamitabuddha | Why is mozplugger kicked out from the wheezy repo? |
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| 08:12.36 | namoamitabuddha | http://packages.debian.org/sid/mozplugger |
| 08:12.43 | jpinx | bolt: ok - thanks - confirms my gut feeling,,, |
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| 08:14.43 | namoamitabuddha | Hi? |
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| 08:15.47 | dawud | namoamitabuddha: don't expect an inmediate answer to your questions |
| 08:16.27 | namoamitabuddha | dpkg: mozplugger |
| 08:16.27 | dpkg | namoamitabuddha: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 08:16.40 | namoamitabuddha | dpkg: query mozplugger |
| 08:16.40 | dpkg | namoamitabuddha: wish i knew |
| 08:17.09 | dawud | ,v mozplugger |
| 08:17.10 | judd | Package: mozplugger on i386 -- lenny: 1.10.2-2; squeeze: 1.14.1-1; sid: 1.14.5-1 |
| 08:17.28 | namoamitabuddha | The one for wheezy is missing. |
| 08:17.36 | dawud | indeed |
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| 08:18.24 | dawud | I have used the sid sources to build a deb pkg, no problems so far |
| 08:19.19 | bolt | namoamitabuddha: it simply didn't make it before the freeze |
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| 08:19.28 | bolt | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mozplugger |
| 08:20.41 | namoamitabuddha | Ah, awful! |
| 08:20.43 | namoamitabuddha | bolt: Thanks! |
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| 08:21.20 | bolt | namoamitabuddha: look for it in packports after release, or simply backport it yourself :) |
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| 08:21.53 | namoamitabuddha | bolt: I fetched it direct from sid repo. |
| 08:22.37 | bolt | namoamitabuddha: careful with that. right now they're probably pretty similar, but soon you suddenly end up with a system that's in the middle somewhere because of dependencies |
| 08:23.38 | namoamitabuddha | bolt: Yeah but fortunately all the dependencies of mozplugger could be fetched from wheezy repo. |
| 08:23.48 | bolt | for now |
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| 08:24.25 | namoamitabuddha | After installing I removed the sid repo. |
| 08:25.05 | dawud | just apt-get source mozplugger; apt-get build-dep mozplugger; cd mozplugger*; debuild -us -uc |
| 08:25.25 | dawud | you'll have a backported mozplugger deb pkg ready |
| 08:25.38 | namoamitabuddha | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_tracking_literal_testing_literal_with_some_packages_from_literal_unstable_literal |
| 08:26.24 | namoamitabuddha | Oh, sorry, not that. |
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| 08:27.10 | namoamitabuddha | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_packages_from_mixed_source_of_archives |
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| 08:28.02 | namoamitabuddha | APT-Pinning is more dangerous. |
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| 08:30.47 | bolt | not if you do it right |
| 08:31.01 | bolt | backports are the way to go though |
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| 08:36.07 | namoamitabuddha | What about dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 08:38.22 | bolt | !simple sid backport |
| 08:38.23 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 08:41.45 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 08:41.59 | ZenWalker | fsck.ext3 -cc is better than fsck.ext3 -c ? |
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| 08:43.01 | nevyn | better? |
| 08:44.04 | bolt | ZenWalker: your question doesn't make sense. one is a read-only test and one is a read-write test. if your drive is failing, don't do either. get the data off or just toss the drive and use your backup. |
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| 08:45.28 | ZenWalker | the read-write test delete all my disk? |
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| 08:45.54 | bolt | ZenWalker: read the manual |
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| 08:48.11 | nevyn | ZenWalker: there are so many things happening with a modern disk if you're seeing bad blocks at the OS side you should almost certainly throw the disk away |
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| 09:28.41 | pippo | ciao |
| 09:28.48 | pippo | !list |
| 09:28.48 | dpkg | pippo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 09:29.24 | kaushal | Hi |
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| 09:29.42 | kaushal | what does Linux kernel internals technically mean? |
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| 09:31.43 | nkuttler | kaushal: um, context? |
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| 09:34.55 | kaushal | nkuttler: http://www.whigg.cas.cn/resource/superComputer/201011/P020101102767674025010.pdf |
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| 09:35.37 | kaushal | nkuttler: also in http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/careers |
| 09:35.44 | kaushal | LF320: Linux Kernel Internals and Debugging |
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| 09:45.07 | themill | LordTrev: stop ircing as root |
| 09:45.55 | tzarc | surely not... someone listened? |
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| 09:46.11 | themill | witheld: that's better :) |
| 09:46.16 | tzarc | faints |
| 09:46.31 | witheld | Yeah |
| 09:46.51 | witheld | Anyway, I can't seem to get package pinning to work... |
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| 09:48.18 | themill | witheld: the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy $package" would be handy to see, along with some idea of what you expected it to be |
| 09:48.46 | witheld | The file is /etc/apt/preferences.d/anheng and contains Package: xserver-xorg-core \n Pin: version 1.11.4-loongson \n Pin-priority: 1001 |
| 09:48.49 | witheld | And will do |
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| 09:50.40 | oops | is there a package to use timeboxing to improve productivity? |
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| 09:57.01 | CQ | what is timeboxing? |
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| 09:57.41 | witheld | themill: apt-cache policy just shows now found, I tried just setting origin to ftp.us.debian.org, my only repo, as a test, and it still says not found |
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| 09:57.54 | blackshirt | i don't know |
| 09:58.16 | CQ | should a system drive use ext3 or ext4? |
| 09:58.21 | blackshirt | witheld, what packages you want to know |
| 09:58.48 | project2501a | what's this input in a URL, again? \xe8\xf1\xef\xee\xeb\xfc\xe7\xf3\xe5\xec \xef\xf0\xee\xea\xf1\xe8 \xed\xe5 \xed\xe0\xf8\xeb\xee\xf1\xfc \xf4\xee\xf0\xec\xfb \xe4\xeb\xff \xee\xf2\xef\xf0\xe0\xe2\xea\xe8;, ? |
| 09:59.17 | CQ | project2501a: don't know, a hidden phishing attack maybe? |
| 09:59.21 | blackshirt | i think you play with some shellcodes |
| 09:59.22 | witheld | blackshirt: que? I meant the package pin is not found, need me to repeat the package pin file? |
| 09:59.47 | project2501a | cq, how do i decode those chars? what are they? octal or hex? |
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| 09:59.59 | blackshirt | i don't know package pin |
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| 10:00.43 | blackshirt | they just machine code .. And i think in hex |
| 10:00.49 | CQ | project2501a: well, since you have teh number 8 in there, they can't be octal, octal goes 0..7 only. Convert teh \x to spaces, and convert the rest, or look up the ascii values |
| 10:01.30 | project2501a | r |
| 10:01.47 | blackshirt | opcodes |
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| 10:02.23 | project2501a | blackshirt: can i change those into ascii? |
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| 10:02.46 | CQ | use http://www.asciitable.com/ |
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| 10:04.37 | blackshirt | i don't know exactly, but you should do some research on disassembly or reverse enginering... I think that was a code from assembly/c language and reuslted on some opcodes specific to architecture and os |
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| 10:05.07 | dokma | with my remote server being in frankfurt obviously I cannot see the console while the machine is booting, so I am wondering how to find out when fsck will be force ran during boot. because to me it will look like the machine is not booting because I won't be able to see anything... |
| 10:05.51 | CQ | dokma: look at tune2fs, it'll tell you when a check is due |
| 10:06.08 | dokma | CQ: exactly what I'm looking for. thank you! |
| 10:06.31 | CQ | dokma: look at the awk script on http://serverfault.com/questions/28343/will-my-system-fsck-when-i-reboot |
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| 10:34.59 | bolt | dokma: keep in mind you can in many cases run the tests while online. depends on your setup |
| 10:35.15 | bolt | dokma: you can check if anything needs fsck'ing, run the tests and reset the counters |
| 10:35.38 | bolt | i find that safer than crossing fingers while a remote server boots |
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| 10:42.47 | NotJimCarrey | anyone know a way to make a live debian system that fully persistent? not just /home |
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| 10:44.24 | thewanderer1 | NotJimCarrey, I use a simple system where I copy my whole install to RAM at boot time and discard the boot medium. if I want to save the system, I plug in the medium (pendrive) later, and cp -ax / /mnt/pendrive to save a snapshot. |
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| 10:46.13 | NotJimCarrey | this is mainly for work systems. i might be able to load 5% of puppy linux |
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| 10:56.19 | bullgard4 | How can I find out if xfce-dict is included in some Debian program package? |
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| 10:56.40 | project2501a | bullgard4: apt-file search xfce-dict |
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| 10:57.25 | bullgard4 | project2501a: Thank you very much for your help. |
| 10:57.36 | project2501a | my pleasure |
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| 10:59.24 | erre | hello |
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| 10:59.51 | nsadmin | bullgard4, (now you have to install apt-file and prepare it for use) |
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| 11:16.42 | jokar | hello all |
| 11:16.45 | bullgard4 | nsadmin: What for does it download a file of 21 MB size? |
| 11:17.09 | nsadmin | bullgard4, so the search can be local to your box |
| 11:17.10 | jokar | can i run debian package on all debian based distro? |
| 11:17.17 | jokar | for example gnewsense |
| 11:17.39 | bullgard4 | nsadmin: What is its search realm or search scope? |
| 11:18.00 | nsadmin | jokar, no, each package should be built for its dist and release |
| 11:18.14 | nsadmin | bullgard4, should be defined by your sources.list |
| 11:18.26 | jokar | nsadmin: can i send pm? |
| 11:18.36 | bullgard4 | nsadmin: Ah, I see. Thank you for explaining. |
| 11:18.52 | jokar | \o |
| 11:19.20 | jokar | gnewsense is debian based !!! |
| 11:19.50 | erre | jokar: what is gnewsense? |
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| 11:20.02 | jokar | gnewsense is a linux distro |
| 11:20.13 | nsadmin | jokar, ok... |
| 11:20.29 | boudiccas | jokar: then its not supported here, we only support Debian, noithing else |
| 11:20.42 | specing | gnewsense is a totaly disfunctional distro unless used on FSF hardware (nonexistant) |
| 11:20.50 | jokar | boudiccas: thanks |
| 11:21.08 | boudiccas | jokar: you're welcome |
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| 11:23.57 | erre | I have a lock device in debian.. |
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| 11:25.51 | dos000 | how do i find the module generating errors if i know the device name (/dev/sdd and /dev/sde) ? |
| 11:26.12 | dos000 | I am getting i/o errors from the kernel with those devices |
| 11:27.46 | jokar | excuse me,how can i make an official room for my country? |
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| 11:28.17 | nsadmin | jokar, the people in #freenode can help you with that |
| 11:28.21 | specing | jokar: worship the debian gods and if allowed, /join #debian-yourcountry |
| 11:28.44 | jokar | i want make a room and register it |
| 11:28.59 | jokar | i saw http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/ |
| 11:29.08 | jokar | many country have special room |
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| 11:29.43 | jokar | nsadmin: i sent pm please answer it |
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| 11:30.55 | nsadmin | actually I don't do tech support by /msg without a service contract |
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| 11:31.09 | specing | dos000: /sys/class/block/sdd & sde |
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| 11:39.27 | ravenzz | hello |
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| 11:39.48 | ravenzz | how can I remove apache with apt? |
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| 11:40.05 | ravenzz | what packages are part of it? |
| 11:40.20 | thomaschaaf | Hey I am at a conference and want to setup a computer that shares its internet. Internet )))) wlan0 -> eth0 <----> NETGEAR ROUTER. Is a network bridge with bridge-utils the way to go? |
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| 11:40.53 | ravenzz | are these enough? apache2 apache2-doc apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common |
| 11:41.05 | thomaschaaf | the Netgear router should then do dhcp etc.. and broadcast a wifi and lan ports |
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| 11:44.00 | dawud | ravenzz: use aptitude, it will handle the dependencies for you |
| 11:44.01 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf, yeah, use a bridge. also disable NAT on the "router", or you'll likely have double NAT. |
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| 11:44.18 | ravenzz | dawud nice but how? :) |
| 11:44.37 | thomaschaaf | thewanderer1: I found this: http://willudovich.com/?p=86 this doesn't use bridge-utils if I am not mistaken |
| 11:45.06 | dawud | run aptitude, search for the apache pkg, mark it for purge, go |
| 11:45.30 | ravenzz | oh |
| 11:45.42 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf, there are many ways - one is NAT on your laptop, another one is the laptop doesn't get an IP address and is a wireless<>wired bridge only |
| 11:45.44 | ravenzz | cool it has an "interface" |
| 11:45.53 | ravenzz | never know that |
| 11:45.55 | ravenzz | thank you |
| 11:46.00 | dawud | man aptitude |
| 11:46.04 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf, depends on whether you want the laptop to have Internet connectivity or not :P |
| 11:46.26 | dawud | ...and aptitude-doc-$LANG will help you |
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| 11:57.04 | erre | hi |
| 11:57.38 | thomaschaaf | thewanderer1: I do :) |
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| 11:58.41 | fairway | hi all |
| 11:59.04 | fairway | using sendmail to test my mailserver I have now the following problem: |
| 11:59.08 | fairway | RCPT TO:<bre@photocity.ch> |
| 11:59.09 | fairway | 550 relay not permitted |
| 11:59.26 | fairway | I am using exim and cyrus |
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| 11:59.32 | fairway | what could cause the problem? I have no clue. |
| 12:00.17 | thewanderer1 | fairway, what did you use as MAIL FROM? |
| 12:00.24 | nsadmin | fairway, recipient not permitted by the server |
| 12:00.34 | thewanderer1 | thomaschaaf, then use the NAT method described in that article. no bridge. |
| 12:00.58 | fairway | thewanderer1: my google mail account |
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| 12:01.30 | thewanderer1 | fairway, so you're trying to send from a random host that is not Google, claiming that you *are* Google, and expect it to work? :P |
| 12:01.40 | crocket | I installed bundler with "gem1.9.1 install bundler", but /usr/bin/bundle is not available. How can I obtain /usr/bin/bundle? |
| 12:01.53 | fairway | thewanderer1: ah I see heh :P |
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| 12:02.34 | thewanderer1 | fairway, also, are you typing that in telnet to photocity.ch? or some other, unrelated host? |
| 12:03.22 | fairway | thewanderer1: thewanderer1: it is another host |
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| 12:03.30 | nsadmin | fairway, if a mail server permitted any sender it would be a relay |
| 12:04.29 | nsadmin | and you do NOT want a relay. you would properly configure it to accept/send mail from a specific domain, and no other... then it won't be an "open relay" |
| 12:04.40 | fairway | 250 Accepted |
| 12:04.41 | fairway | bingo |
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| 12:04.52 | nsadmin | more importantly, other people don't want you to have a relay |
| 12:05.41 | fairway | where would be my mail now? |
| 12:05.44 | fairway | in spool? |
| 12:05.58 | nsadmin | well who did you mail to? |
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| 12:06.19 | nsadmin | the debian place (well, the FHS place) is /var/mail |
| 12:06.46 | fairway | empty |
| 12:07.00 | thewanderer1 | depends on your config :P |
| 12:07.01 | nsadmin | so, who did you mail to? |
| 12:07.21 | fairway | a local user |
| 12:07.25 | fairway | oh the same host |
| 12:07.38 | nsadmin | look at the mail log |
| 12:08.07 | fairway | k |
| 12:08.56 | nsadmin | and for that as well, its actions will depend on your config... is this a debian package this mail server is in? |
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| 12:10.26 | nsadmin | do you have an email address that is not local you can test this with? |
| 12:10.31 | fairway | he log is a bit strange. I see some TLS cyrus errors |
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| 12:11.08 | fairway | the |
| 12:11.59 | crocket | mysql_query() in -lmysqlclient... no |
| 12:14.47 | dokma | crocket: that's weird |
| 12:15.20 | crocket | doki_pen, After installing libmysqlclient-dev, it was fine. |
| 12:15.21 | crocket | hmm.... |
| 12:15.27 | crocket | debian package management is weird. |
| 12:15.33 | crocket | Why do they separate dev files? |
| 12:15.39 | crocket | It is only inconvenient. |
| 12:15.51 | crocket | Their futile attempt to reduce bandwidth |
| 12:16.28 | crocket | annoying |
| 12:16.32 | nsadmin | crocket, cause it wastes disk space for people who aren't compilin against that lib |
| 12:16.44 | nsadmin | and download time |
| 12:16.46 | crocket | nsadmin, many people end up compiling anyway. |
| 12:16.55 | crocket | There are pip and bundle |
| 12:17.39 | nsadmin | are you writing a custom mysql client? |
| 12:17.52 | crocket | nsadmin, no |
| 12:17.56 | crocket | nsadmin, I'm installing gitlab |
| 12:18.04 | crocket | gitlab requires manual installation. |
| 12:18.18 | crocket | "bundle install --without development test --deployment" requires some compiling and dev packages. |
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| 12:18.31 | nsadmin | btw, debian has separated -dev (and -dbg, -profile, etc) from the beginning |
| 12:18.33 | crocket | bundle is in ruby. |
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| 12:19.54 | nsadmin | I dunno if they've fixed ruby and rubygems... I almost always build my own ruby since the debian ruby maints don't quite have the gem thing working properly |
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| 12:30.43 | bullgard4 | My Bash history length apparently is 2052. My ~/.bashrc shows 'export HISTSIZE=10000' and 'unset HISTFILESIZE'. How can I obtain a longer Bash history length? |
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| 12:32.41 | FDFlock | use it more and type more commands to fill it up! |
| 12:32.44 | FDFlock | kidding :P |
| 12:33.02 | bullgard4 | grml |
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| 12:33.41 | FDFlock | !grml |
| 12:33.41 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:34.26 | bullgard4 | (*grml*) |
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| 12:37.08 | daimrod | bullgard4: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/088 the example uses shopt -s histappend though I don't know what it really does. |
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| 12:37.19 | FilipeMaia | Is mdadm multi threaded? |
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| 12:42.14 | Nirgal | Hello. I run a stable debian, and somehow, after last reboot with an additional network adapter (that I removed since), I had a kermel message "address space collision on of device", and now my net adapter always has a macaddress ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff on boot. I think I remember installing a packet about dynamic macadress recently, but I can remember which one. Any suggestion about what it could be? Using "ifconfig eth1 hw ether 00:e0:4c...." works, but then ude |
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| 12:43.29 | thewanderer1 | Nirgal, macchanger ? |
| 12:44.19 | Nirgal | not installed, nope, thanks, that might help however :) |
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| 12:46.20 | thewanderer1 | well, an address space collision is never a good thing |
| 12:46.32 | thewanderer1 | what is your motherboard? |
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| 12:47.21 | nsadmin | a parental plank |
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| 12:48.53 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin, terrible pun thursday is next week ;P |
| 12:49.27 | Nirgal | thewanderer1: "Asus p5ql-vm epu" |
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| 12:50.58 | Nirgal | I have one on board Realtek network adapter, plus 2 pci ones (well, one removed now) |
| 12:51.30 | thewanderer1 | Nirgal, the BIOS (precisely, DSDT) could be buggy and specify overlapping memory regions, this happens with some boards |
| 12:51.51 | thewanderer1 | I don't know about this particular one, but you'd better check the Web |
| 12:53.20 | Nirgal | time to try an upgrade then... I'll install macchanger to have a proper macaddress on boot first.... ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff is definitly not good, udev is lost and many things fails to start .... I supposed I f*cked up the net adapter eeprom somehow ... :/ |
| 12:54.29 | bullgard4 | daimrod: I cannot see how this article solves my problem: HISTSIZE=10000 but actually my Bash history length is only ~2052. |
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| 12:57.36 | someDebUser | Hi Im using a Huawei E620 USB modem - it works fine under linux 2.6.39, but after upgrading to 3.2, network manager will no longer detect it, even though the ttyUSB interface is created ? Any ideas on how to track down where nm is going wrong? |
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| 12:59.15 | daimrod | bullgard4: did you try to copy/paste the commands? |
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| 13:00.16 | bullgard4 | daimrod: What commands should I copy&paste? |
| 13:01.17 | daimrod | unset + export + shopt |
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| 13:01.44 | etisfo | I've setup BIND9 on my server to handle DNS for my domain (also have wildcard subdomain setup). I have two nameserver. If I wanted to host someone else, do I just give them those nameservers, and it will point to my server (nginx handles webserver), or do I have to setup BIND for that domaint too? |
| 13:01.56 | daimrod | I've tried with just unset + export HISTFILE and it didn't work, but when I tried the whole thing it worked. |
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| 13:04.38 | petemc | etisfo: if its a different domain you would just add a zone file to your existing bind |
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| 13:04.55 | etisfo | petemc, no need for reverse? |
| 13:04.56 | petemc | etisfo: depends what you mean by host |
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| 13:05.10 | petemc | no, reverse isnt needed for lots of things |
| 13:05.21 | etisfo | petemc, I'm a webhost, before was using A record, trying to move to NS |
| 13:05.27 | petemc | erm |
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| 13:06.28 | petemc | you will still use A records for web etc, NS records are for specifying nameservers |
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| 13:08.55 | etisfo | petemc, I mean, I've been telling customers to point domain to A xx.xx.xx.xx |
| 13:09.02 | etisfo | now I want to say ns1.domain, ns2.domain |
| 13:09.24 | petemc | so you want to create glue records for the domains? |
| 13:09.45 | etisfo | petemc, glue records? |
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| 13:10.26 | petemc | you need a glue record if the nameserver is a hostname of the domain itself |
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| 13:10.42 | grzeslaw | hello guys.. I am just wondering.. some of you probably use linux on desktop.. I am debian fan.. but I think that on desktop better is ubuntu.. what are your feelings about that? what are you using?.. ;) |
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| 13:12.29 | haylo | so i can build a custom like CD using debians live-build tools? If so will the resulting product be runnning in unionfs or aufs? or would it be squashfs? |
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| 13:13.09 | Nillerz | Hello |
| 13:13.31 | blubberdiblub | grzeslaw, since you're asking on a debian channel, it's not unreasonable to expect getting an answer biased towards debian (if you get any usable answers at all) |
| 13:13.34 | Nillerz | Is it possible to update my kernel to 3.3 or 3.4? |
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| 13:16.04 | bullgard4 | daimrod: The line Ā»shopt -s histappendĀ« appends the history list to the history file when the shell exits, rather than overwriting the history file. I have not includes this line because I did not want that my history file becomes bloated in the end. The other 2 lines are identical with mine. |
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| 13:18.17 | bullgard4 | daimrod: I consider it black magic that copying the whole thing worked with you but copying the separate lines did not work. |
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| 13:20.30 | User_420 | Hi folks. |
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| 13:50.21 | alexft | hey folks |
| 13:50.33 | alexft | what is the difference between hostname and mail server name? |
| 13:50.51 | alexft | hostname got to be xyz.com and mail name mail.xyz.com? |
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| 13:51.36 | Nirgal | alexft: I use the same, you get a better (lower) spamassassin score if your mailname matches your reverse dns |
| 13:51.47 | GeekInTraining | alexft: Heya |
| 13:52.30 | alexft | Nirgal I read somewhere if yourmail host is not mail.xyz.com and xyz.com more chances for mail to be classed as spam |
| 13:52.40 | alexft | I dunno even how it changes anything |
| 13:52.43 | alexft | GeekInTraining heya |
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| 13:53.19 | Nirgal | anyways, the mailname is given in the SMTP protocol after the HELO/EHLO command, that's all |
| 13:53.43 | alexft | so its simply saying hello post from mail.lovelyspam.com? :D |
| 13:53.44 | alexft | :) |
| 13:53.56 | Nirgal | for exemple, yes ;) |
| 13:54.07 | alexft | or mail.broitslegitmail.com :D |
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| 13:54.21 | no_gravity | Hello! I run Debian 6 - is there a way to read epub files with it? |
| 13:54.29 | alexft | epub yes |
| 13:54.38 | alexft | debian however is operating system |
| 13:54.41 | alexft | not an epub reader |
| 13:56.15 | no_gravity | I heard "calibre" can read epub files. "apt-get install calibre" wants to install 134mb .. wow. Is that a good choice? |
| 13:56.47 | alexft | yes |
| 13:56.49 | alexft | it is |
| 13:57.00 | alexft | I use calibre |
| 13:57.24 | no_gravity | ok.. i give it a try... |
| 13:57.27 | engla | fbreader can read epub as well |
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| 13:57.47 | no_gravity | engla: but its not part of debian, or is it? |
| 13:58.00 | engla | it's in wheezy at least |
| 13:58.16 | alexft | Nirgal ok I read more |
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| 13:58.52 | no_gravity | engla: which version is wheezy? |
| 13:58.54 | alexft | the reason for having subdomain is to make setup more flexible. as then u can place subdomain on another box and add new IP to dns |
| 13:58.59 | alexft | kinda makes sense |
| 14:00.34 | no_gravity | wow, calibre sucks |
| 14:01.11 | alexft | well man its good if u publish kindle |
| 14:01.17 | alexft | :) |
| 14:01.32 | no_gravity | i wanted an epub viewer. not itunes for books. |
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| 14:03.25 | no_gravity | installing calibre added 134mb. removing it freed 46mb :( |
| 14:04.25 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, well, how about fbreader? |
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| 14:04.30 | tmroland | hello |
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| 14:05.04 | thewanderer1 | a few commercial ebook devices use fbreader under the hood, it works quite well |
| 14:05.22 | tmroland | i booted from debian netinstall mini.iso to install the os over internet and i get : some of your hwardware needs non-free firmware drivers: RTL8169E-2.fw |
| 14:05.35 | GeekInTraining | yeah me to with the live disk tmroland |
| 14:05.38 | tmroland | and wireles doesnt work |
| 14:05.47 | GeekInTraining | rt5390 wireless? |
| 14:06.12 | engla | no_gravity: wheezy is the current testing |
| 14:06.16 | GeekInTraining | I have the same problem, during live install i get asked for the non free driver for my wireless |
| 14:06.26 | tmroland | well |
| 14:06.27 | GeekInTraining | I do not know where to download it though |
| 14:06.28 | tmroland | what to do |
| 14:06.32 | alexft | I am looking at postfix config |
| 14:06.32 | alexft | myorigin = /etc/mailname |
| 14:06.39 | GeekInTraining | what is your wireless card |
| 14:06.41 | thewanderer1 | tmroland, install over a wired connection |
| 14:06.48 | alexft | I think it should point to domain from where emails are sent right? |
| 14:06.54 | GeekInTraining | thewanderer1: what if you have no way to wire a connection |
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| 14:07.12 | tmroland | thewanderer1 i cant |
| 14:07.19 | tmroland | i have pppoe connection |
| 14:07.22 | tmroland | needs username password |
| 14:07.22 | thewanderer1 | GeekInTraining, then you are screwed with the default d-i and you need to use a different install method |
| 14:07.23 | tmroland | from isp |
| 14:07.36 | thewanderer1 | tmroland, what does that change? |
| 14:07.38 | no_gravity | Why is it, that "apt-get remove" does not remove what "apt-get install" installed? Am I doing something wrong? |
| 14:07.47 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, apt-get autoremove |
| 14:07.50 | nunnsby | hey all is there a repo version of webmin for apt, or must I install the package from the site? |
| 14:07.50 | GeekInTraining | thewanderer1: Is there a way to do it WITHOUT eth0? |
| 14:07.53 | alexft | no gravity good question |
| 14:08.09 | alexft | anyone here installed email server befoee? |
| 14:09.00 | thewanderer1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ -- scroll down to the part that mentions firmware and read |
| 14:09.20 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: ok, did that and it removed another 89mb. But "find / -name '*calibre*'" still finds a lot of shit. (I installed and removed calibre) |
| 14:09.37 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, did you remove --purge calibre ? |
| 14:09.46 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: no |
| 14:09.50 | thewanderer1 | there you go |
| 14:09.56 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: just "apt-get remove calibre" |
| 14:10.03 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: now its probably too late? |
| 14:10.35 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, try it and see |
| 14:10.46 | GeekInTraining | thewanderer1: so download the iso at the bottom of the firmware caption for my architecture? and that will have the hardware driver for the wireless? |
| 14:11.15 | thewanderer1 | GeekInTraining, most likely, yes. I don't know if the particular chip is supported, but at least the chances are non-zero (contrary to the default image). |
| 14:11.48 | thewanderer1 | note that there are quirks like no WPA2 support, or at least there were last time I checked |
| 14:12.02 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: looks like it removed more. but i still find "/usr/share/app-install/icons/calibre.png" for example. |
| 14:12.05 | thewanderer1 | in general, installing without a working wired Ethernet connection is harder than with it |
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| 14:12.19 | GeekInTraining | thewanderer1: great because our router is wpa2 |
| 14:12.42 | thewanderer1 | GeekInTraining, just lay a cable from it to the machine... |
| 14:12.46 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: also "/home/user/Calibre Bibliothek/" seems to have been created by calibre and not been removed. |
| 14:12.58 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, `dpkg -S /usr/share/app-install/icons/calibre.png` will tell you what package it belongs to |
| 14:13.18 | GeekInTraining | can i get it working through wlan0 if i use eth0 to install and configure? |
| 14:13.20 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, would you really want removing a *program* from the system touch your *data* when you remove it? think about it :P |
| 14:13.47 | ompaul | GeekInTraining: put a wire in the computer and in the router and you don't need the wpa password ... |
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| 14:14.02 | thewanderer1 | GeekInTraining, sure. only the install part is tricky. WiFi will work after install, with smaller or greater amount of tweaking... |
| 14:14.10 | GeekInTraining | oh ok |
| 14:14.12 | ompaul | GeekInTraining: and life becomes easier, when in training you don't try to do the hardest thing ... |
| 14:14.21 | thewanderer1 | Squeeze's kernel could be too old to support it, but it's nothing that installing a few packages can't fix |
| 14:14.21 | GeekInTraining | You guys are great |
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| 14:15.03 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: yes! in the sense that the data is in the programs folder. i think that is how it works on android and ios. im not sure, but i would expect programs on those OSes not to leave clutter after you delete them. |
| 14:15.06 | GeekInTraining | I really appreciate the help, i will see if i have an ethernet cable laying around somewhere and try to figure out how to install it that way |
| 14:15.51 | thewanderer1 | GeekInTraining, otherwise, there are ways to install from WPA2 manually, but it's much more hassle (if you've ever tried Gentoo, you'll know what I mean) |
| 14:16.06 | GeekInTraining | I have been looking at gentoo |
| 14:16.24 | GeekInTraining | seems thats a great way to really learn how packages and things work |
| 14:16.33 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, this is not a "program folder", this is just a directory that the program has created during runtime, but it does not form part of the program itself |
| 14:16.50 | alexft | lolol |
| 14:16.59 | alexft | what u want to install,? |
| 14:17.00 | GeekInTraining | I am not well versed enough yet to install debian and have wifi =) gentoo is a lil ways away for me lol |
| 14:17.13 | alexft | u can repack debian and then install it |
| 14:17.13 | ompaul | GeekInTraining: why bother half learning two things when you can learn one well, and perhaps better. |
| 14:17.16 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: yes, i understand that it is a failure of calibre and not of debian. |
| 14:17.28 | GeekInTraining | ompaul: ? |
| 14:17.49 | ompaul | GeekInTraining: your offtopic gentoo comment |
| 14:17.52 | GeekInTraining | ompaul: I am trying to learn one thing... |
| 14:17.54 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, it's not a failure. imagine this: you install a photo management program, then you download 50,000 family photos from your cameras. you remove the program, BOOM. all your photos, gone. |
| 14:18.01 | GeekInTraining | ompaul: I said debian would be cool in future when i know more |
| 14:18.07 | GeekInTraining | ompaul: gentoo* |
| 14:18.33 | thewanderer1 | GeekInTraining, anyway, try it with a cable now and if you can't manage that, then we'll look for an alternative :P |
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| 14:18.49 | ompaul | can't fathom that kind of mentality and this is way offtopic |
| 14:19.01 | GeekInTraining | ompaul: what are you talking about? |
| 14:19.09 | GeekInTraining | ompaul: I said i want debian, not gentoo |
| 14:19.11 | ompaul | exactly |
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| 14:19.19 | alexft | so Geek what u want to do? |
| 14:19.26 | alexft | what exactly u want to install? |
| 14:19.30 | GeekInTraining | thewanderer1: thanks bud |
| 14:19.33 | ompaul | GeekInTraining: get cable and start |
| 14:19.35 | thewanderer1 | sorry, I initially mentioned Gentoo as a tongue-in-cheek remark. but ompaul, don't be such a nitpicker :P |
| 14:19.36 | GeekInTraining | i am |
| 14:19.41 | alexft | wtf |
| 14:19.43 | ompaul | thewanderer1: hehe |
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| 14:20.04 | nycjv321 | is there a package for Eclipse EE? |
| 14:20.31 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: if the photo management downloads the photos to ~/pmanagement and i do apt-get --purge remove pmanagement, thats what i want. |
| 14:20.52 | ompaul | nycjv321: do apt-cache search eclipse and have a look |
| 14:21.05 | nycjv321 | looks |
| 14:21.17 | ompaul | no_gravity: you can use digikam for that |
| 14:21.24 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: if i want to keep the photos after i remove the program, i would keep them in my general photo directory, not in the programs directory. |
| 14:21.29 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, the short answer is, it doesn't work that way and you'll have to live with it... you could automate it with scripts, but it's contrary to most users' expectations, so don't count on it adopted upstream... |
| 14:21.57 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: is it NOT that way? that --purge removes the programs folder in ~? |
| 14:22.18 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, correct, dpkg (apt-get) does not touch any of the user's home directory. |
| 14:22.21 | nycjv321 | ompaul: didn't see it oh well.. |
| 14:22.32 | no_gravity | ompaul: we dont have a discussion about photo management. we have a discuttion about philosophy. |
| 14:22.39 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, it's the same on Windows. |
| 14:23.18 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: then why isnt there a "/home/user/.calibre/" now? didnt calibre create one in the first place? |
| 14:23.49 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, only if you launch it, but that's a function of the program itself at run-time, not of the program's package |
| 14:24.11 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: i understand that |
| 14:24.18 | alexft | how do I check my system mail name? |
| 14:24.18 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: i launched it. |
| 14:24.18 | GeekInTraining | Found a cable but it is like 5' lol. I will have to move computer into the other room and relog. Sorry for the newb questions as well. |
| 14:24.42 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, then it probably didn't create the directory, if it's not there now |
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| 14:25.09 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: looks like it didnt create .calibre but instead .Calibre\ Library/. I was under the impression programs under linux are supposed to create .my_name/ folders. |
| 14:25.28 | nycjv321 | ompaul: I can install it from within eclipse |
| 14:25.43 | nsadmin | programs can but not package installs |
| 14:25.47 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: but now i see, that there is no .firefox as well but .mozilla instead. oh my. chaos has no boundaries. |
| 14:25.58 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, this is only a convention, but they can create any directories they want. it's all up to the developers. |
| 14:26.50 | thewanderer1 | for me, for example, it creates ~/Biblioteka\ Calibre, which is not a hidden directory. fine, because it asked me first what dir I want to use :P |
| 14:27.03 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: is all this stuff also going on under android? people install and remove apps on their tablets all day and night... does that mean their devices are cluttered with crap to no extend? |
| 14:27.24 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, actually, yes, but this is getting increasingly off-topic |
| 14:27.47 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: discussing the differences between debian and other linux flavors is off-topic? |
| 14:27.49 | nsadmin | package installs are not supposed to touch places like /home, /usr/local, etc |
| 14:28.13 | nsadmin | but when you later run programs in those packages, they could do that |
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| 14:28.30 | no_gravity | nsadmin: yes, that was mentioned already. |
| 14:28.35 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, asking about how Android works is best done in #android I think - I am not sure and there may be a hook mechanism, but I've never seen a program remove its data files on Android. |
| 14:29.02 | thewanderer1 | (i.e. the XMPP client I use did leave its log files untouched) |
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| 14:30.38 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: thats interesting. ios says "this will also delete all data of the app" when deleting and app. i expected android would do the same. but the message is just "do you really want to delete the app"? |
| 14:31.47 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: but im still sceptical. this would result in phones that are full, but people would not be able to do anything about it. google must have thought about this. |
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| 14:32.42 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, SD cards are huge and apps really do not produce that much cruft... about data files like dynamic in-game updates, there is probably a hook mechanism which deletes those on removal |
| 14:33.17 | thewanderer1 | likewise, in Debian, I expect that an anti-virus program which downloads its signatures periodically will remove them when I remove it, because it's program data, not user data |
| 14:33.56 | thewanderer1 | yet user data, such as configuration files of the GUI management panel, should stay intact - that is, if you choose to install it again later, they'll still be there |
| 14:34.14 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: ah! i was not talking about the sd card. because the user can clean it up himself. i was talking about the stuff that is unreachable for the user. for example, there is a /data/ folder on my nexus 7. i cannot look into it. i guess thats where the magic happens. |
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| 14:35.16 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity, you'd have to ask proper Android developers, but I'm sure there is a distinction between app data and user data, too |
| 14:35.38 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: probably, yes. |
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| 14:36.53 | thewanderer1 | in Debian, this distinction is as follows: user data goes in $HOME, program data does not, that's about it :P |
| 14:37.15 | no_gravity | where does program data go? |
| 14:37.30 | thewanderer1 | man hier |
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| 14:38.27 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: i take that as "in all kind of weird places" |
| 14:39.31 | thewanderer1 | for reference, there was a Linux distro once upon a time that attempted to place program data all in one dir for each program (much like Windows does). it didn't work out too well... |
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| 14:40.50 | alexft | how do I find mqsql ip? |
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| 14:41.24 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: sounds like a smart idea |
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| 14:41.43 | imachine | hello |
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| 14:41.44 | alexft | any ideas? |
| 14:41.50 | alexft | hey imachine |
| 14:41.50 | imachine | anyone installed gitweb using debian 6.0? |
| 14:41.51 | no_gravity | alexft: explain what you mean |
| 14:42.09 | imachine | I have an issue with apache just displaying the perl file's contents, instead of running the cgi script. |
| 14:42.10 | alexft | no gravity I want to find to which IP does mysql setup to listen to |
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| 14:42.21 | imachine | I pretty much just installed the gitweb package. |
| 14:42.29 | specing | no_gravity: It doesen't really matter if the package manager knows what files belong to what package |
| 14:42.29 | alexft | imachine reinstall it |
| 14:42.37 | imachine | alexft, reinstall what |
| 14:42.41 | alexft | imachine or use repair |
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| 14:42.45 | alexft | install perl |
| 14:42.48 | alexft | lol |
| 14:42.51 | imachine | alexft, wtf |
| 14:43.00 | imachine | I need apache related config pointers |
| 14:43.03 | alexft | well u want to handle perl file |
| 14:43.06 | imachine | yea |
| 14:43.11 | imachine | using cgi |
| 14:43.18 | imachine | not mod_perl |
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| 14:43.41 | imachine | and debian has some automagic with apache configuration |
| 14:43.55 | alexft | imachine http://www.thesitewizard.com/archive/addcgitoapache.shtml |
| 14:43.58 | imachine | so if it's there, I want to do it "the debian way", or as near to it. |
| 14:43.59 | no_gravity | alexft: how many ips does the machine have that your mysql is running on? |
| 14:44.05 | alexft | 1 |
| 14:44.10 | imachine | alexft, yeah, but php runs with cgi just fine. |
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| 14:44.19 | no_gravity | alexft: so then mysql will listen on that machine... |
| 14:44.23 | alexft | yes |
| 14:44.28 | alexft | makes 100% sence |
| 14:44.28 | alexft | :D |
| 14:44.38 | no_gravity | alexft: so you dont know the ip of that machine? |
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| 14:44.45 | imachine | alexft, so I have cgi working fine, I use cgi + running php cgi as the user. |
| 14:44.51 | imachine | alexft, that works :) just not for perl :? |
| 14:45.00 | alexft | only it does not listen to public ip no_gravity |
| 14:45.04 | thewanderer1 | alexft, netstat -tlnp | grep mysql |
| 14:45.07 | alexft | for security reasons |
| 14:45.22 | no_gravity | alexft: then you cannot reach it from other machines |
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| 14:45.37 | no_gravity | alexft: only from that machine via 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:45.39 | alexft | thats the idea! |
| 14:45.52 | alexft | lol ty thewanderer1 and no_gravity |
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| 14:46.06 | alexft | I wanted to make sure it listens on 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:46.21 | alexft | imachine once again what is exactly not working? |
| 14:46.28 | alexft | perl via cgi? |
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| 14:46.48 | imachine | alexft, yes |
| 14:46.50 | imachine | perl via cgi |
| 14:46.56 | imachine | alexft, www.mlink.net.pl/gitweb |
| 14:46.57 | imachine | see ? |
| 14:47.26 | imachine | and installing gitweb via apt-get pushed some config file into /etc/apache/conf.d/ - gitweb |
| 14:47.40 | imachine | Options FollowSymLinks +ExecCGI AddHandler cgi-script .cgi |
| 14:47.50 | imachine | that's what it has inside, among other things. |
| 14:47.56 | imachine | I don't understand much of it :/ |
| 14:48.04 | alexft | ok you are doing it via repositories |
| 14:48.08 | alexft | hence the mess |
| 14:48.10 | imachine | yeah |
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| 14:48.20 | alexft | I usually install it via apt-get |
| 14:48.23 | imachine | like I wrote, I want to do it 'the debian way' |
| 14:48.31 | alexft | well remove what you installed |
| 14:48.32 | maukd | imachine: that means it handles *.cgi files |
| 14:48.38 | alexft | and use app-get maybe? |
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| 14:48.42 | imachine | maukd, well it doesn't |
| 14:48.47 | thewanderer1 | imachine, well, wouldn't it be easier for you to just use mod_perl? |
| 14:48.48 | imachine | alexft, ugh, what I wrote, I used apt-get |
| 14:48.49 | alexft | I dont know how to work with repositories |
| 14:48.54 | maukd | imachine: do you have a .cgi file? |
| 14:49.00 | alexft | thewanderer1 exactly |
| 14:49.01 | imyour-bela | hi |
| 14:49.02 | alexft | :) |
| 14:49.06 | imachine | thewanderer1, since cgi is already in use, I presumed debian suggested to use cgi |
| 14:49.15 | imachine | maukd, yes, index.cgi |
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| 14:49.27 | maukd | imachine: what are its permissions? |
| 14:49.46 | imachine | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 09-09 16:14 index.cgi -> ../../lib/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi |
| 14:50.04 | imachine | seems it's +x |
| 14:50.12 | imachine | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 211216 2011-09-21 /usr/lib/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi |
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| 14:51.07 | maukd | to be honest, I don't know how debian works either |
| 14:51.12 | imachine | maukd, :) |
| 14:51.21 | thewanderer1 | imachine, you should probably paste the whole config it came up with to paste.debian.net |
| 14:51.26 | maukd | I'd try restarting apache and maybe asking in #httpd |
| 14:51.33 | alexft | i got ain ideaa |
| 14:51.34 | imachine | maukd, done that. the restart part. |
| 14:51.59 | imachine | I could just use mod_perl |
| 14:52.09 | alexft | yepppp |
| 14:52.13 | imachine | but I figured since debian installed a default config with cgi |
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| 14:52.17 | imachine | cgi is the preferred way |
| 14:52.23 | thewanderer1 | imachine, for one thing, is CGI even enabled? |
| 14:52.30 | imachine | thewanderer1, like I wrote above, yes. |
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| 14:52.46 | maukd | mod_perl is for writing apache modules in perl, not running web applications |
| 14:52.48 | imachine | thewanderer1, I use cgi+php |
| 14:53.00 | thewanderer1 | imachine, cgi or fastcgi? |
| 14:53.07 | mallxs | hi, i'm the new owner of a dell R200 it has CentOs on it and wanne swap it to debian .. but it seems it doesn't wanne run; it boot from the CD adnd then switches to the normal boot from the disk; any ideas ? |
| 14:53.11 | imachine | thewanderer1, :) |
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| 14:53.33 | thewanderer1 | mallxs, what ISO image did you use? |
| 14:53.36 | imachine | thewanderer1, fcgid ! that might be the culprit :) |
| 14:53.56 | imachine | thewanderer1, made me realize cgi!=fcgid |
| 14:54.04 | thewanderer1 | imachine, if you were using PHP with CGI, I'd hand you the 1995 Technology Award right now... |
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| 14:54.16 | maukd | imachine: oh yeah, they're pretty much unrelated :-) |
| 14:54.32 | maukd | FastCGI just has "CGI" in its name |
| 14:54.43 | thewanderer1 | CGI is probably not enabled in Apache2 by default... enable the proper module |
| 14:54.48 | obiwahn | when i look at sysfs |
| 14:54.54 | mallxs | thewanderer1: debian 6.0.3-i386-netinstall 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 14:55.12 | imachine | thewanderer1, I use php+fcgid, and have the scripts ran as the users who own the php files. |
| 14:55.15 | obiwahn | and look at some device like backlight |
| 14:55.19 | imachine | thewanderer1, I think that's a good idea. |
| 14:55.21 | obiwahn | what does the type say |
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| 14:55.35 | obiwahn | or what is the difference between firmware and raw? |
| 14:55.48 | imachine | thewanderer1, feel free to point me to a place that would say otherwise, and suggest a better solution for multi-user apache hosting. |
| 14:55.57 | imachine | likes knowledge |
| 14:55.59 | alexft | use nxing |
| 14:56.08 | alexft | ngxinx its faster |
| 14:56.32 | imachine | yeah thought of that... but I'm also quite lazy ;d and apache seems to work fast enough in the current setup :) |
| 14:56.53 | imachine | maukd, confusing. |
| 14:56.54 | alexft | then be happy :D with what u got |
| 14:56.58 | thewanderer1 | by the way, where does one configure setuid() in fcgid? |
| 14:57.05 | alexft | how do I check system mail name ? |
| 14:57.18 | imachine | thewanderer1, I don't think you configure it per se |
| 14:57.25 | alexft | as to php I use suhoshin |
| 14:57.42 | imachine | thewanderer1, I set it up in the virtual host file |
| 14:57.48 | maukd | imachine: javascript has nothing to do with java either :-) |
| 14:57.49 | imachine | thewanderer1, in /etc/apache/sites-enabled/* |
| 14:57.54 | imachine | maukd, :X |
| 14:57.55 | thewanderer1 | imachine, hmm, how? :P |
| 14:58.01 | alexft | all together you can download ready made debian image with stuff and see how its done |
| 14:58.09 | imachine | thewanderer1, I'll paste you a config, hang on. |
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| 14:58.14 | maukd | on the other hand, C# is somewhat similar to Java (but not C) |
| 14:58.28 | dutchfish | alexft, cat /etc/mailname |
| 14:59.11 | alexft | ty ty! |
| 14:59.17 | dutchfish | alexft, if you meant, where to set it |
| 15:00.00 | bullgard4 | !sound |
| 15:00.00 | dpkg | [sound] Ask me about <alsa>, <install alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <devdsp>, <dmix>, <microphone>, <oss4>, <pulseaudio>. |
| 15:00.10 | imachine | thewanderer1, http://pastebin.ca/2202616 |
| 15:00.18 | imachine | thewanderer1, user somesite group somesite |
| 15:00.27 | imachine | thewanderer1, you also need the proper cgi-bin/* files |
| 15:00.53 | thewanderer1 | oh, suexec. |
| 15:00.55 | imachine | thewanderer1, the homedir I construct with ~/public_html, ~/cgi-bin, ~/log |
| 15:01.00 | imachine | yea |
| 15:01.00 | bullgard4 | !alsa checklist |
| 15:01.01 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 15:01.11 | thewanderer1 | yeah, apache2-mpm-itk does the same, but with less cruft :P |
| 15:01.32 | imachine | thewanderer1, less cruft = more speed + less memory footprint? :) |
| 15:01.44 | thewanderer1 | I sure hope so! |
| 15:01.48 | imachine | hehe |
| 15:02.07 | imachine | well this here setup works and I don't want to get into fixing something that works ;d |
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| 15:02.23 | imachine | I think cgi + fcgid won't collide ? |
| 15:02.28 | thewanderer1 | it shouldn't |
| 15:02.57 | imachine | and cgi perl is not some terryfing security risk or so? I wouldn't think so, though I'm not exactly in the thinking mood atm |
| 15:03.09 | maukd | not per se |
| 15:03.12 | imachine | :> |
| 15:03.26 | maukd | CGI is simply a method of running programs in response to http requests |
| 15:03.33 | maukd | i.e. "dynamic web pages" |
| 15:03.44 | imachine | I guess I'll just password protect the realm using htpasswd |
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| 15:03.56 | maukd | what realm? |
| 15:03.57 | imachine | It'll be only one person using the git repo anyway |
| 15:04.07 | imachine | the gitweb I choose to run with cgi + perl |
| 15:04.12 | thewanderer1 | imachine, you're only enabling CGI, so Apache will happily run anything that has a shebang line at the top... the Perl is a minor quibble here :P |
| 15:04.35 | maukd | I don't know how gitweb works but normally those files shouldn't be in your web root |
| 15:04.38 | roy___ | damn i tried installing gnome-video-arcade .. then it like removed a bunch of stuff and i've lost half of the menu items |
| 15:04.45 | imachine | thewanderer1, :x |
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| 15:05.27 | maukd | yeah, as far as apache is concerned, "CGI" simply means "oh, I'm supposed to execute *that* program. ok!" |
| 15:05.43 | maukd | the program could be written in anything |
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| 15:06.19 | imachine | well, cool |
| 15:06.32 | imachine | suexec is set up to permit only programs from /var/www/ to be run |
| 15:06.44 | imachine | so moving the files or choosing mod_perl in my case |
| 15:06.48 | imachine | will see about mod_perl.. |
| 15:07.00 | thewanderer1 | someone said mod_perl was for writing Apache modules |
| 15:07.12 | maukd | what is suexec? |
| 15:07.12 | thewanderer1 | I've got no idea, I only use PHP :P |
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| 15:08.09 | imachine | it seems mod_perl doesn't even exist here... |
| 15:08.14 | imachine | so I'll just move the files. |
| 15:08.37 | maukd | why do you have suexec? |
| 15:08.48 | thewanderer1 | imachine, symlink! symliiink! :P |
| 15:08.52 | imachine | thewanderer1, nope. |
| 15:08.56 | imachine | thewanderer1, suexec is smarter. |
| 15:08.58 | thewanderer1 | okay :-S |
| 15:09.05 | maukd | get rid of suexec |
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| 15:09.33 | thewanderer1 | thinks about a directory hard link, but immediately finds so many things wrong with this approach |
| 15:09.51 | maukd | thewanderer1: there's a reason you can't normally create directory hard links :-) |
| 15:09.53 | imachine | maukd, when a user logs on to my box, and sets up some php webshop or other horrid creation, they often need to write files with php |
| 15:10.18 | imachine | maukd, so instead of making those directories 777, I keep them 755 and run the php scripts as that particular user |
| 15:10.23 | imachine | so he can write to his ~ with php |
| 15:10.29 | imachine | (php from apache) |
| 15:10.40 | haylo | would standard x11 be a good choice for live-build model, if i would like to use dwm as a desktop? |
| 15:10.53 | maukd | but I thought you were using fastcgi, so apache doesn't communicate with php directly |
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| 15:11.05 | imachine | I use fcgid+suexec+php |
| 15:11.05 | imachine | :d |
| 15:11.17 | bullgard4 | '~$ most /etc/debian_version; wheezy/sid' Why are there stae |
| 15:11.22 | imachine | now I just need to modify the default debian stuff so it works with my setup |
| 15:11.27 | imachine | onto the adventure! |
| 15:11.30 | bullgard4 | '~$ most /etc/debian_version; wheezy/sid' Why are there stated two releases together? |
| 15:12.04 | themill | dpkg: tell bullgard4 about wheezy/sid |
| 15:12.23 | boudiccas | sid isnt a release, it will never be released |
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| 15:12.28 | cyberspace- | eval lastlog -file ~/irclogs/%Y/$tag/$C.log |
| 15:13.15 | thewanderer1 | imachine, I'm curious, do you make every user maintain his own permissions? 755 is a poor default, .php often contains passwords :P |
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| 15:14.14 | cyberspace- | eval lastlog -file /home/c/cyberspace/irclogs/%Y/$tag/$C.log |
| 15:14.30 | thewanderer1 | cyberspace-, it's not working. |
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| 15:15.02 | flexo | getent should talk to my nscd when running instead of directly calling into the nss_* modules, shouldn't it? |
| 15:15.09 | boudiccas | i've just been trying to flash my xperia x10 using flashtool, but it keeps showing in the log that i dont have ... ERROR - No permission on device. Add valid udev rules... what udev rules do i need please? this is on debian wheezy/testing |
| 15:15.32 | thewanderer1 | flexo, probably |
| 15:15.38 | flexo | well. it doesn't. why doesn't it? :) |
| 15:15.50 | flexo | (can i force it?) |
| 15:16.03 | cyberspace- | eval lastlog -file /home/c/cyberspace/irclogs/$tag/$C.log |
| 15:16.04 | flexo | even if no nscd is running it makes no sense for nss_ldap to be used directly |
| 15:16.46 | flexo | (a local user might have no kerberos ticket, signed binding, etc. yadda) |
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| 15:17.45 | thewanderer1 | flexo, I believe nss_ldap is designed to be used with nslcd, not nscd |
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| 15:18.13 | no_gravity | exit |
| 15:18.37 | flexo | thewanderer1: not an option for me (nslcd doesn't seem to be usable.. hangs all the time) |
| 15:18.46 | flexo | in any case, why would it matter? |
| 15:19.06 | flexo | i was under the impression that nss takes care of forwarding to nscd and the modules don't care? |
| 15:19.28 | thewanderer1 | what actually does this is a very good question |
| 15:19.31 | flexo | (to be honest i'm rather new to this area - i'm just guessing) |
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| 15:20.19 | thewanderer1 | let's check with the source |
| 15:20.32 | flexo | well i'll start by reading the glibc manual :) |
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| 15:21.47 | flexo | ... and it seems like the manual doesn't even mention the possibility of using an nscd |
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| 15:22.20 | bullgard4 | themill, boudiccas: Thank you for your information. |
| 15:22.53 | boudiccas | what udev rules does a experia x10, mobile phone, need for it to be recognised by wheezy please? i can plug it in and its mounted but its not recognised for udev rules. any ideas please? |
| 15:22.58 | GNU\colossus | I'm looking for a comfortable tool to create and maintain an LDAP-based address book. personal, one user only. any tips? |
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| 15:27.06 | thewanderer1 | flexo, what entry type are you testing with? |
| 15:27.16 | flexo | passwd and group |
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| 15:28.27 | thewanderer1 | then it should be using the nscd :P |
| 15:28.32 | flexo | agreed.. |
| 15:28.40 | thewanderer1 | as far as I can tell, nscd support is in eglibc code |
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| 15:30.23 | flexo | with nslcd + libnss-ldapd it works |
| 15:30.32 | flexo | (nslcd + libnss-ldap causes symbol errors, nice) |
| 15:30.40 | flexo | sigh |
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| 15:30.58 | flexo | but with nslcd there is the problem that nslcd tends to hang up once a day |
| 15:31.10 | thewanderer1 | hm, it's always worked for me |
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| 15:31.44 | roy___ | is there a default partition manager ? |
| 15:31.50 | Nico____ | fdisk |
| 15:31.54 | roy___ | i mean like fdisk but with menu options |
| 15:32.12 | flexo | okay, i'll give it another try then.. |
| 15:32.18 | abrotman | fdisk? cfdisk? |
| 15:32.27 | maukd | cfdisk |
| 15:32.41 | Nico____ | partition manager (????) |
| 15:33.38 | roy___ | cfdisk is fine |
| 15:33.49 | abrotman | darn toootin |
| 15:34.01 | thewanderer1 | flexo, this is actually quite funny, getXXbyYY_r.c (_r usually means "reentrant") does use NSCD, but the non-r version of the file makes no mention of NSCD |
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| 15:34.43 | flexo | thewanderer1: ... and i'm just coming from SunOS where this stuff just works... |
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| 15:35.35 | Nico____ | everything just work in debiN |
| 15:35.36 | flexo | no samba installation / non-default domain join, no pam reconfiguration, no manual kerberos conf, barely and manual ldap conf.. |
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| 15:35.48 | flexo | gssapi enabled by default in sshd |
| 15:36.02 | thewanderer1 | spots a "goto" in eglibc sources and decides he doesn't want to read any more of this today |
| 15:36.31 | flexo | i'm writing down the steps to configure a fresh debian installation to join AD and have full SSO... not so nice :( |
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| 15:36.53 | thewanderer1 | Active Directory never quite worked for me on Debian, there was always some kind of glitches |
| 15:37.02 | thewanderer1 | guess what, it works semi-decently with a Debian LDAP server :P |
| 15:37.13 | flexo | talk about vendor lockin :) |
| 15:37.23 | thewanderer1 | (and yes, I do recall some nslcd hangs with Active Directory) |
| 15:37.29 | flexo | ah. ;) |
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| 15:37.43 | flexo | i was really impressed on how easy this is on SunOS |
| 15:38.07 | flexo | along with a nicely working CIFS server |
| 15:38.07 | thewanderer1 | how are you checking that getent isn't using the cache, by the way? |
| 15:38.23 | flexo | thewanderer1: well, as i have signed binding i just have to run it as a user who doesn't have a kerberos ticket |
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| 15:38.42 | flexo | so i see gssapi failure in the log when it doesn't talk to nscd |
| 15:38.58 | thewanderer1 | uh, but nscd wouldn't know about GSSAPI... I think? |
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| 15:39.16 | flexo | libnss-ldap (or libnss-ldapd) has gssapi support |
| 15:39.18 | roy___ | Crazy somehow i just fucked up my install while trying to install some package .. and now the Debian boot-cd won't start the installation and report a fatal kernel error ?!!? |
| 15:39.35 | flexo | there you can configure the path to the kerberos ticket |
| 15:39.41 | thewanderer1 | flexo, yeah, but it's probably an external feature, it's not mediated by nscd I think |
| 15:39.47 | roy___ | invalid or corrupt kernel image |
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| 15:39.52 | flexo | true |
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| 15:40.42 | abrotman | ome package? |
| 15:40.49 | flexo | i disabled referrals in nslcd now.. i think they caused problems with nscd too (although it failed more gracefully) |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | some ... |
| 15:41.42 | flexo | i rebooted and for now it works.. but lets see how it handles a kerberos ticket update or a not-available ldap server.. :/ |
| 15:42.44 | flexo | i also had problems with gssapi / ticket forwarding with putty => sshd - login worked fine but i had no (forwarded) ticket.. now i have them.. i have no idea what happened there. sigh. |
| 15:43.05 | flexo | (did i mention that all of this just works out of the box on sunos..) |
| 15:43.32 | flexo | oh. no. it doesn't work |
| 15:43.35 | flexo | fnawothnig@hades:~$ klist |
| 15:43.35 | flexo | klist: No credentials cache found (ticket cache FILE:/tmp/krb5cc_10000) |
| 15:43.37 | flexo | ..... |
| 15:43.49 | flexo | so. any idea how to debug why this is happening now.. |
| 15:44.20 | thewanderer1 | it's a ticket forwarding issue, not an nss issue, right? |
| 15:44.24 | flexo | yea |
| 15:44.32 | flexo | Sep 9 17:42:06 hades sshd[2015]: Authorized to fnawothnig, krb5 principal fnawothnig@EVEDEV.ECD (krb5_kuserok) |
| 15:44.38 | flexo | Sep 9 17:42:06 hades sshd[2015]: Accepted gssapi-with-mic for fnawothnig from 10.9.0.3 port 51959 ssh2 |
| 15:44.41 | flexo | Sep 9 17:42:06 hades sshd[2015]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user fnawothnig by (uid=0) |
| 15:44.46 | flexo | ^ i think i should have a ticket by now.. |
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| 15:45.46 | alexft | hey guys what do u use for standard relayhost value? |
| 15:45.58 | flexo | (i've developed quite some appreciation for microsoft over the last week :) |
| 15:46.05 | alexft | yes MS is wonderful |
| 15:46.11 | alexft | it simply works |
| 15:46.48 | thewanderer1 | flexo, was the ticket forwardable? |
| 15:47.07 | flexo | thewanderer1: i'm sure it is, i use the same configuration as i do to login on my sunos boxes |
| 15:47.14 | flexo | and there it works fine |
| 15:47.23 | flexo | (also i checked - yes, delegation is enabled clientside) |
| 15:47.24 | ChrisH | grrr... run into the same issue we had here some days ago... 2x 2TB Disks with GPT and at the end, when grub tries to install, it complains about missing BIOS Partition. No hint during Disk partitioning, creating MD devices, LVM. Does anyone know if there is a BUG open to change this? |
| 15:47.35 | flexo | also sometimes i do get my ticket. i have yet to figure out under what circumstances i don't |
| 15:47.43 | thewanderer1 | flexo, there's 2 possibilities, SSH config or pam_krb5 config |
| 15:48.09 | thewanderer1 | flexo, also, notice that your CC will be cleaned up when you log out by default - you should disable CC cleanup in sshd config if you rely on ticket forwarding |
| 15:48.19 | flexo | thewanderer1: huh, why? |
| 15:48.47 | thewanderer1 | flexo, if you have 2 sessions and log out on one of them, it is my understanding that both would lose the ticket, since the CC is shared |
| 15:48.53 | flexo | ah. right. |
| 15:49.05 | flexo | didn't think of that :) |
| 15:49.20 | flexo | i suppose ssh krb should be completely disabled, right? |
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| 15:49.26 | flexo | (as i'm doing it all through pam) |
| 15:49.46 | thewanderer1 | if you want SSO, you do need Kerberos enabled in SSH |
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| 15:50.08 | flexo | why? i want to use gssapi? |
| 15:50.12 | flexo | gssapi or pam |
| 15:50.19 | flexo | i don't see why sshd would talk to libkrb directly |
| 15:50.28 | thewanderer1 | i.e. for SSO you need GSSAPI - pam_krb5 auth module is only used if GSSAPI fails i.e. you input your password via keyboard-interactive |
| 15:50.33 | flexo | yes |
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| 15:50.53 | lighterapp | can anyone recommend me a very light screenshot app for an old pentium II computer running X and icewm? |
| 15:50.55 | flexo | if i understand correctly sshd can also talk to libkrb5 instead of using pam or gssapi - i suppose i don't want that? |
| 15:51.04 | flexo | (that'd be KerberosAuthentication?) |
| 15:51.25 | lighterapp | shutter is too big and requires lots of gnome deps |
| 15:51.27 | icarious | i have a laptop which has an Atheros AR8131 lan card which is undetected during installation.. and a broadcom 4313 wireless... how do i install the wireless without the lan??? |
| 15:51.29 | themill | lighterapp: Ā«import -window root screenshot.jpgĀ» |
| 15:51.30 | thewanderer1 | lighterapp, scrot, or some program from ImageMagick which I don't remember |
| 15:51.36 | thewanderer1 | yeah, that one ā |
| 15:51.54 | flexo | login still works with kerberos explicitly disabled |
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| 15:52.08 | sneex | yes |
| 15:52.20 | thewanderer1 | flexo, yeah, you need GSSAPI only I think |
| 15:52.23 | flexo | both with a forwarded ticket and keyboard-interactive |
| 15:52.36 | flexo | but i still don't have my ticket after login |
| 15:52.49 | flexo | (unless i do keyboard-interactive - then i have it) |
| 15:52.50 | lighterapp | can anyone recommend me a very light GUI screenshot app for an old pentium II computer running X and icewm? I am not after a command line app |
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| 15:53.21 | flexo | which component should create that file in /tmp and how can i trace what it's doing... |
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| 15:53.29 | bullgard4 | daimrod: I made a mistake. My measurement was wrong. I did not measure the maximum Bash history length but rather the maximum scroll back length of my UXTerm terminal. My apologies. |
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| 15:53.44 | tlab | lighterapp, printscreen doesn't work? |
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| 15:53.52 | thewanderer1 | flexo, I *think* every app using libkrb5 would create the file, since it's part of the lib |
| 15:53.56 | themill | lighterapp: something wrong with the 3 recommendations you've already received? |
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| 15:54.09 | thewanderer1 | flexo, btw. have you tried GSSAPIDelegateCredentials yes ? |
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| 15:54.19 | flexo | server or client side? |
| 15:54.28 | thewanderer1 | themill, he wrote "I am not after a command line app" |
| 15:54.35 | thewanderer1 | flexo, I think server |
| 15:54.41 | flexo | is it a server option even? |
| 15:54.47 | thewanderer1 | looks like it! |
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| 15:55.07 | flexo | no it's not |
| 15:55.09 | thewanderer1 | oops, it's a client option, my bad |
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| 15:56.28 | flexo | i should mention that i get no error at all |
| 15:56.32 | flexo | i can login just fine |
| 15:56.35 | flexo | i'm just missing the file |
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| 15:57.25 | thewanderer1 | flexo, can you run the ssh client in debug mode? what does it say? |
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| 15:57.36 | thewanderer1 | there should at least be a trace of it forwarding the ticket |
| 15:57.37 | flexo | well, not for putty i suppose but i can login through a unix box |
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| 15:59.01 | flexo | uhm |
| 15:59.15 | flexo | SSO doesn't even work not |
| 15:59.15 | sneex | local acct ? |
| 15:59.15 | flexo | debug1: GSS-API error while calling GSS_Init_sec_context(): Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information |
| 15:59.19 | flexo | Cannot find ticket for requested realm: client is 'EVEDEV.ECD', server is 'EVEDEV.ECD' |
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| 15:59.48 | flexo | nevermind |
| 15:59.55 | flexo | didn't have a forwardable ticket (uhm) |
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| 16:00.09 | flexo | but i still have the same problem there |
| 16:00.20 | thewanderer1 | any debug output? |
| 16:00.31 | flexo | i did "kinit -f" "ssh -vvv hades", i logged in without password but "klist" on the client says no cred. cache found |
| 16:00.35 | flexo | sur |
| 16:00.37 | flexo | sure |
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| 16:01.09 | flexo | but nothing interesting |
| 16:01.13 | flexo | debug1: Authentication succeeded (gssapi-with-mic) |
| 16:01.18 | alexft | guys I just setup postfix and dovecot |
| 16:01.19 | alexft | Sep 9 15:49:14 mail postfix/smtp[4166]: C7EF46DE0: to=<root@net>, relay=none, delay=0.01, delays=0.01/0/0/0, dsn=5.4.4, status=bounced (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=net type=A: Host found but no data record of requested type) |
| 16:01.34 | alexft | seems its missing something how come its net? |
| 16:01.44 | alexft | and not FQDN xyz.net? |
| 16:01.49 | thewanderer1 | flexo, what if you run ssh with the -K flag? |
| 16:01.50 | mallxs | thewanderer1: re dell R200 ... a old knoppix dd 2003 showed it was booting but missed the drivers, so i burned a new CD and it ok now |
| 16:02.01 | flexo | ssh: illegal option -- K |
| 16:02.02 | flexo | :) |
| 16:02.09 | flexo | i suppose you want me to use a debian box instead? ;) |
| 16:02.10 | alexft | ssh -hack |
| 16:02.11 | alexft | :D |
| 16:02.13 | thewanderer1 | flexo, aha, you really meant a UNIX machine :P |
| 16:02.17 | flexo | it is |
| 16:02.25 | flexo | -bash-4.0$ ssh -V |
| 16:02.25 | flexo | Sun_SSH_1.5, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090818f |
| 16:02.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah, it'd help if you used a platform we're actually familiar with in here :P |
| 16:02.39 | alexft | unix is mad! |
| 16:02.48 | flexo | thewanderer1: sorry :) |
| 16:02.54 | alexft | thewanderer1 are you familiar with postfix? |
| 16:03.03 | flexo | oh, i can just login locally |
| 16:03.27 | mallxs | flexo: ssh -v1 |
| 16:03.30 | thewanderer1 | alexft, it's a love-hate relationship. I only do postfix consulting with per-hour rates starting at $100... |
| 16:03.34 | alexft | :) |
| 16:03.37 | alexft | hehehe |
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| 16:03.51 | alexft | hmm if u can solve it in 1 min |
| 16:04.15 | alexft | 100/60 = what? about 1,75 per min |
| 16:04.23 | alexft | ok I can pay for 5 min :D |
| 16:04.30 | alexft | its something simple I am sure |
| 16:04.41 | flexo | -K seems to work |
| 16:04.53 | flexo | well |
| 16:04.56 | flexo | it also without without -K |
| 16:05.10 | flexo | so... ssh user@localhost puts my krb ticket into /tmp |
| 16:05.18 | alexft | I followed linode guide so its something to do with machine mail name setup in posftix maybe |
| 16:05.25 | flexo | logging in through putty or sun_ssh does not |
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| 16:05.40 | alexft | or relay |
| 16:05.52 | alexft | whats the standard relay value? |
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| 16:06.14 | abrotman | there is a #postfix also |
| 16:06.17 | thewanderer1 | flexo, this would indicate some kind of client problem or client-server incompatibility, don't you think? |
| 16:06.24 | themill | alexft: what do you mean "standard relay value"? Your question doesn't make any sense to me without context |
| 16:06.45 | flexo | thewanderer1: well... OTOH all putty, sun_ssh and debian's ssh client login fine on the sun_sshd, the krb ticket is always there... |
| 16:06.51 | flexo | i would interpret this as a server bug ;) |
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| 16:07.05 | alexft | themill I mean relay value in postfix config file |
| 16:07.32 | flexo | could it be that on debian the server relies on the client to generate the krb ticket after login |
| 16:07.39 | flexo | possibly by manually executing kinit or something? |
| 16:07.51 | thewanderer1 | the client doesn't know about the shell or anything else |
| 16:07.56 | lighterapp | has anyone ben able to install Dillo-3.0.2 on aqueeze without messing with compiling libraries, dependencies and stuff. I mean, is it possible to install it from a 3rd party repo? |
| 16:07.57 | flexo | (i wish i had a better understanding on how this works..) |
| 16:08.00 | themill | alexft: which config file? postfix has many |
| 16:08.06 | thewanderer1 | flexo, that's pretty unlikely |
| 16:08.25 | flexo | thewanderer1: agreed. IMHO it's pretty unlikely that i run into the situation i'm in too :) |
| 16:08.29 | thewanderer1 | flexo, my guess is that the file does get set up, but is immediately cleaned up for whatever reason |
| 16:08.39 | flexo | hm |
| 16:08.46 | flexo | so.. more krb logging |
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| 16:08.48 | alexft | themill one moment |
| 16:08.50 | thewanderer1 | now, I have no idea about Kerberos delegation, but you should be able to track down all changes to the given file |
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| 16:08.52 | flexo | to verify that it is indeed set up |
| 16:09.10 | thewanderer1 | either more logging, or kernel-level auditing (auditctl and good documentation from RedHat) |
| 16:09.22 | themill | alexft: if you mean "relayhost" in main.cf, then that's something you should ask your network administator |
| 16:09.28 | thewanderer1 | either way, you'll need to know what's happening to your CC :P |
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| 16:09.38 | flexo | thewanderer1: in any case, thanks for taking the time... it's really appreciated. i've been going crazy over the last week because i had no one who had the slightest idea what i was doing :) |
| 16:09.45 | dutchfish | lighterapp, it is nothing more the `aptitude install dillo` i am running it on debian testing aka Wheezy, but i gues stable has it as well. |
| 16:10.08 | flexo | at the very least it's good to verify that my guesses on how this all works were mostly correct |
| 16:10.08 | alexft | themill relayhost = yes |
| 16:10.18 | alexft | I am running amazon EC2 hmm :D |
| 16:10.19 | lighterapp | squeeze does NOT have dillo 3.0.2 |
| 16:10.34 | alexft | I guess should of kept original config :D |
| 16:10.46 | abrotman | judd: versions dillo |
| 16:10.47 | judd | Package: dillo on i386 -- sid: 3.0.2-2; wheezy: 3.0.2-2 |
| 16:10.48 | alexft | well I am going to put machine ip name |
| 16:10.50 | dutchfish | lighterapp, maybe bpo has, no idee, otherwise take the quick backport route. |
| 16:11.20 | dutchfish | lighterapp, or install testing |
| 16:11.24 | thewanderer1 | lighterapp, what's your hardware spec, again? I was able to run full-blown Chromium with success on Pentium 3, 256MB of RAM. |
| 16:11.35 | thewanderer1 | (and RAM is more significant than CPU) |
| 16:11.41 | themill | alexft: that would be empty unless you have a smarthost to offload mail to |
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| 16:12.23 | ebuyw | Hello, will Debian (default desktop and everything) run okay on 2GHz single core + 512MB RAM? |
| 16:12.31 | lighterapp | i tried chromium, arora, midori on a Pentium II 300 Mhz 192 MB RAM (maximum supported by the mainboard) an they were very slow |
| 16:12.36 | abrotman | ebuyw: yes |
| 16:12.38 | sneex | y |
| 16:12.44 | archetech | upper left corner sys no network but it boots up fine? |
| 16:12.48 | archetech | on xfce |
| 16:12.56 | archetech | upper right corner |
| 16:13.09 | ebuyw | I mean on Gnome 2, will it be fine? |
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| 16:13.20 | sneex | yep |
| 16:13.49 | thewanderer1 | ebuyw, 512MB of RAM is a bit low, so you won't be able to start 50 tabs in Iceweasel or Chromium, but it'll run. |
| 16:14.12 | ebuyw | thewanderer1: Will 1GB be better then? |
| 16:14.13 | dutchfish | lighterapp, this is the rpdepends for dillo http://paste.debian.net/188787/ |
| 16:14.19 | thewanderer1 | ebuyw, yes |
| 16:14.42 | ebuyw | I also need to find a network card for my desktop that can work with Debian? I cannot use ethernet. |
| 16:14.46 | abrotman | ebuyw: more ram is always better? |
| 16:15.01 | thewanderer1 | some programs are notoriously RAM-hungry, like GIMP, Open/LibreOffice etc. |
| 16:15.05 | abrotman | ebuyw: why doesnt your nic work? |
| 16:15.16 | ebuyw | nic? |
| 16:15.26 | abrotman | network card |
| 16:15.49 | ebuyw | No, this is for a cheap build I need to make |
| 16:15.55 | ebuyw | I need to choose a network card |
| 16:15.58 | lighterapp | i do NOT want to install testing. there is NO dillo backport for squeeze |
| 16:16.11 | abrotman | lighterapp: you can make your own |
| 16:16.21 | abrotman | ebuyw: so choose one |
| 16:16.38 | lighterapp | dutchfish: is that on squeeze? |
| 16:16.41 | ebuyw | abrotman: 90% wont work with Linux I'm sure |
| 16:16.42 | dutchfish | lighterapp, then i gues you are out of luck as far as debian packages goes |
| 16:16.47 | abrotman | ebuyw: untrue |
| 16:16.49 | dutchfish | lighterapp, on wheezy |
| 16:16.50 | ebuyw | No wifi cards are |
| 16:16.55 | lighterapp | abrotman: do you say that to all desktop newbies like myself? |
| 16:16.58 | abrotman | ebuyw: also untrue |
| 16:17.20 | abrotman | lighterapp: are you a technical person? willing to read and learn? |
| 16:17.25 | ebuyw | This build has to be 100% Debian compatible, I need to install it using wifi and have no problems |
| 16:17.41 | lighterapp | abrotman: i am a desktop newbie |
| 16:17.46 | themill | ,checkbackport dillo |
| 16:17.55 | judd | Backporting package dillo in sidāsqueeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libfltk1.3-dev. |
| 16:17.57 | abrotman | lighterapp: didnt really answer my question ... |
| 16:17.58 | alexft | :D |
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| 16:18.00 | Harzilein | is there an easy way to find out, if a newly checked out package (using debcheckout) uses a certain build system? or even find out which build system it uses? |
| 16:18.03 | thewanderer1 | ebuyw, installing with wifi is problematic, you are better off connecting via cable |
| 16:18.09 | alexft | wow chat is so fast |
| 16:18.23 | ebuyw | thewanderer1: I can't use ethernet |
| 16:18.26 | Harzilein | i want to automatically organize checked out packages according to their build system |
| 16:18.39 | haylo | live-build did not give me .img :( |
| 16:19.14 | thewanderer1 | ebuyw, well, get an install DVD and activate the wireless later |
| 16:19.20 | lighterapp | abrotman: i am not a technical persona, i am a desktop newbie, No, not everybody wants to be a programmer or deb package builder |
| 16:19.37 | haylo | i do !! |
| 16:19.38 | ebuyw | thewanderer1: Okay. |
| 16:19.39 | abrotman | lighterapp: a backport is likely easier than compiling directly |
| 16:19.42 | haylo | :D |
| 16:19.51 | ebuyw | But can I find out if a card is compatible? |
| 16:20.05 | lighterapp | abrotman: there is NO dillo backport for squeeze |
| 16:20.08 | thewanderer1 | ebuyw, do you know the make and model? |
| 16:20.08 | abrotman | ebuyw: which type of card? |
| 16:20.22 | abrotman | lighterapp: make your own, /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:20.33 | gnarface | lighterapp: really, its easier than it sounds |
| 16:20.39 | gnarface | lighterapp: (usually) |
| 16:20.49 | abrotman | or just keep yelling at me like im stupid ... |
| 16:20.52 | themill | do check what judd said 3 minutes ago |
| 16:21.21 | ebuyw | abrotman: http://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-Link-TL-WN781ND-150Mbps-Wireless-Express/dp/B0036AFAEW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347207641&sr=8-1 |
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| 16:21.54 | lighterapp | if is is so easy make a dillo 3.0.2 deb for squeeze, how come there is none on the net? |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | no one asked? |
| 16:22.13 | abrotman | ebuyw: we'd need the chipset |
| 16:22.22 | lighterapp | abrotman: lots have asked |
| 16:22.26 | flexo | thewanderer1: by the way - sshd is somehow involved - in the working case it logs "Setting KRB5CCNAME to FILE:/" at the end.. |
| 16:22.37 | abrotman | lighterapp: ok |
| 16:23.03 | abrotman | is done arguing about it |
| 16:23.09 | ebuyw | abrotman: how do I find that out? |
| 16:23.15 | sneex | u sure? |
| 16:23.56 | thewanderer1 | flexo, well, yes, since it uses the GSSAPI itself (notice the "API" in the name means it does not call a separate process - it's just a library API, so it does all the work itself) |
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| 16:27.09 | flexo | thewanderer1: and i believe cleaning up the tickets isn't so bad - every login gets a different one |
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| 16:28.17 | ebuyw | abrotman |
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| 16:30.55 | alexft | postfix crazy biach |
| 16:30.55 | alexft | :D |
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| 16:31.21 | alexft | is I set it to use outside smptp for sending mail how i can configure it to use local smptp? |
| 16:31.21 | Harzilein | any idea about my source sorting question? |
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| 16:32.07 | alexft | Harzilein what u want to check exactly? |
| 16:32.20 | alexft | that some .deb package is been issued on some date? |
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| 16:33.11 | themill | Harzilein: when you say "build system" are you meaning cdbs vs debhelper? Or automake vs cmake? |
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| 16:34.05 | Harzilein | themill: automake vs cmake vs dh_perl vs simple makefile... |
| 16:34.24 | Harzilein | themill: vs java vs mono ... |
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| 16:34.44 | Harzilein | s/java/&-ant/ |
| 16:34.48 | Harzilein | etc. |
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| 16:36.06 | themill | Harzilein: you can look at the declared build-depends(-indep), but in practice, you're probably going to have to look at the upstream system to really know. |
| 16:36.13 | Harzilein | it's okay if it does not work on complex multi-frontend stuff, those would go into deb-complex or something |
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| 16:36.46 | Harzilein | themill: i think i can't tell autofoo from simple make with build-depends |
| 16:36.48 | ebuyw | abrotman: How?!:) |
| 16:36.51 | themill | I don't know that you really gain anything by doing that though... that's one of the weirder ways of grouping packages that I can think of |
| 16:37.26 | Harzilein | themill: it kinda makes sense for dh_perl vs dh_python vs dh_ruby i think |
| 16:37.37 | themill | Harzilein: what about packages that use all three? |
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| 16:38.21 | Harzilein | themill: and i want to look if it could easily extended so i don't have a huge deb-c or something |
| 16:38.22 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 16:38.34 | Harzilein | deb-c makes me think i could possibly use debtags... |
| 16:38.47 | Harzilein | be* |
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| 16:39.06 | themill | Harzilein: and does it matter if autotools is invoked during the build process vs if the upstream-generated ./configure is used as it is? |
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| 16:40.26 | Harzilein | themill: well, autoconf-utilities usually have gnuish layouts. one could do all kinds of grep slicing and dicing per category tree if one does not need not handle specific cases |
| 16:41.00 | Harzilein | or needs to handle less of them |
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| 16:42.52 | Harzilein | so maybe deb-perl, deb-ruby, deb-python, deb-gnu and deb-misc would be nice start |
| 16:43.28 | Harzilein | i don't really care much about java, but i have some java packages checked out, and all my checkouts currently reside in my home directory :/ |
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| 16:44.44 | Harzilein | cmake/qmake would be nice to filter out as well :/ |
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| 16:46.33 | Harzilein | so what i take from this is that it's not particularly easy :/ |
| 16:46.48 | Harzilein | als debtags are on binary packages iirc |
| 16:46.53 | Harzilein | also* |
| 16:47.06 | themill | Harzilein: so build-deps on qmake, cmake, python-support, pkg-kde-tools etc would be a place to start. The Contents-Sources file can tell you if there's detritus left behind by autofoo inside the source package. |
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| 16:49.32 | Harzilein | another case where separate dirs for those categories would help would be for applying different policies. for example i like the directory name of my perl packages to remain as dh-make-perl extracted it -> cpan name instead of deb name. |
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| 16:50.17 | themill | Harzilein: well -- you made those packages yourself, you can move them yourself (or build them in your own location yourself...) |
| 16:50.23 | cardamon | anyone know anything about gnome-mplayer leaving zombie processes after closing? If I run just plain mplayer and close it, the dead stay dead. |
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| 16:51.33 | Harzilein | yeah, i was just arguing that i think it's not such an exotic wish |
| 16:51.36 | themill | cardamon: what fewer horror movies. |
| 16:51.41 | themill | cardamon: s/what/watch/ |
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| 16:53.42 | flexo | krb termionlogy question: forwardable is not the same as ok-as-delegate? |
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| 16:55.17 | sneex | no, i dont think so |
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| 16:57.13 | flexo | hm |
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| 16:57.52 | flexo | my guess is this now: my tickets are not ok-as-delegate, sun_ssh ignores this flag, debian sshd respects it and "-K" overrides it client-side? o.o |
| 16:58.17 | flexo | hm. some tickets are ok_as_delegate |
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| 16:59.39 | sneex | flexo: is the acct local to the box? Does PAM allow kerb? many factors make kerb work or appear to |
| 17:00.08 | sneex | may look like it works and is still broke |
| 17:00.09 | flexo | sneex: no, yes - krb pretty much works |
| 17:00.26 | flexo | my only problem is that cred. delegation doesn't work (i think) |
| 17:00.31 | sneex | so pam allow it and the acct is local to box |
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| 17:00.40 | flexo | unless you use a specific ssh client with a specific flag |
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| 17:01.04 | sneex | you want it be deletgated so another box get same tickets right? |
| 17:01.15 | Zeeflo | msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 17:01.53 | flexo | sneex: yes |
| 17:02.04 | Zeeflo | I need help regarding squeeze +ffmpeg +serviio.. |
| 17:02.12 | Zeeflo | does anyone here have experience with that? |
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| 17:02.52 | sneex | hmmm, a universite got that working but I dont rember who or what they did -- I only use kerb for AD auth and not delegation -- so Im not sure how to help |
| 17:03.22 | sneex | are al the relms the same on these boxes? |
| 17:03.28 | sneex | realms* |
| 17:03.34 | flexo | yea.. |
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| 17:03.54 | sneex | can all see the kdc? |
| 17:03.57 | flexo | okay i'm rather sure that the ticket is marked ok-as-delegate |
| 17:03.59 | flexo | yes. |
| 17:04.05 | sneex | k |
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| 17:05.58 | flexo | hm.. |
| 17:06.44 | sneex | kinit and klist all agree ? |
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| 17:06.57 | Zeeflo | if anyone can/want to help over ssh, ill pay!ĀØ |
| 17:06.59 | flexo | well, if i have a ticket they do.. my problem is that i don't have a ticket after login. |
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| 17:07.24 | sneex | yes but that can be a pam thing |
| 17:07.27 | themill | Zeeflo: please don't make offers like that. The sort of help you get might not be the sort of help you want. |
| 17:07.35 | sneex | kerb may never get invoked |
| 17:07.48 | flexo | sneex: it shouldn't be invoked over pam. i'm using gssapi through sshd |
| 17:08.15 | flexo | (and i'm wondering whether that might be a problem - if auth is not done though gssapi gssapi cred. del. is disabled for security reasons since openssh 4.1) |
| 17:08.35 | sneex | yes, but pam rules with suffient on localhost and if the acct is local -- I think pam is fighting you |
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| 17:09.13 | Zeeflo | themill: Well.. im frustrating.. |
| 17:09.27 | Zeeflo | im pulling hair, and ffmpeg is pulling teeth |
| 17:09.32 | themill | s/ing/ed/ unless that's what you really mean :) |
| 17:09.46 | sneex | lol |
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| 17:11.39 | Chris___ | I've got a ppc/squeeze box which doesn't appear to recognize my fat32 1.5 TB external (USB) HD in 'fdisk -l' |
| 17:11.49 | Chris___ | also doesn't automount in /media/ |
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| 17:12.12 | themill | Zeeflo: you'll find that you need to look at the documentation for the exact version of ffmpeg that you have installed. ffmpeg tends to change annoyingly quickly and has a million different compilation options that may or may not have been used. |
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| 17:13.15 | Zeeflo | themill, ive been doing that for about a day now.. |
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| 17:13.33 | Zeeflo | Ive read the doc, ive read every forum.. |
| 17:13.39 | Zeeflo | ive googled back and forth |
| 17:13.54 | sneex | check you guys next Sunday Peace' |
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| 17:14.16 | Zeeflo | I bought alot of expensive hardware, just to be able to serve my videos for my kids.. |
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| 17:14.36 | Chris___ | any thoughts to getting my external HD mounted? |
| 17:14.52 | Zeeflo | usb? |
| 17:15.10 | Chris___ | yeah |
| 17:15.12 | themill | Zeeflo: you need to actually ask questions here before you'll get an answer (and even then you might not...) |
| 17:15.35 | Zeeflo | themill, i dont even know the question to ask.. |
| 17:15.36 | Zeeflo | its.. |
| 17:15.57 | Zeeflo | i dunno.. |
| 17:16.02 | themill | Welcome to Support Jeopardy! Where you have to guess the question and then try to answer it! |
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| 17:16.08 | Zeeflo | i was just hoping someone would ssh my server.. |
| 17:16.11 | Chris___ | lol |
| 17:16.15 | Chris___ | LOL |
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| 17:16.52 | Zeeflo | crhis, whats the format on the drive? |
| 17:17.30 | somiaj | Chris___: could start with putting the output of fdisk -l /dev/sd(whatever) and various other info like the dmesg info about assiging the drive a device in paste.debian.net |
| 17:17.54 | Chris___ | somiaj: gladly. just a moment. |
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| 17:18.20 | x1__ | Zeeflo: i happen to have a squeeze box with serviio + ffmpeg |
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| 17:19.05 | Chris___ | somiaj: http://captain-kickass.net/p/41 |
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| 17:19.27 | Chris___ | the "sdb" that dmesg mentions is my HD, but it isn't showing up on fdisk -l |
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| 17:20.23 | somiaj | Chris___: see line 563, t says that the new drive is called sdb and it has a single partition sdb2, [409138.877255] sdb: sdb2 |
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| 17:20.30 | somiaj | Chris___: so do fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
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| 17:20.45 | somiaj | Chris___: or mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt (that should mount it provided the file system headers are correct) |
| 17:20.50 | Chris___ | somiaj: for both sdb and sdb*, I get no output |
| 17:21.00 | Chris___ | huh |
| 17:21.05 | Chris___ | the mount command worked |
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| 17:21.37 | Chris___ | any idea why it wouldn't show up in fdisk -l? |
| 17:22.13 | somiaj | Chris___: did you type fdisk -l /dev/sdb? |
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| 17:22.49 | somiaj | hmm, guess fdisk -l trys to go though all disks, looks like I learned somethign new |
| 17:23.14 | Chris___ | somiaj: yeah, the output of /dev/sdb, /dev/sdb*, and /dev/sdb2 were all blank |
| 17:23.16 | somiaj | but it could be the partition table wasn't written correctly or isn't being read correctly (thus making fdisk -l not function) |
| 17:23.17 | Chris___ | (no output) |
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| 17:25.01 | somiaj | Chris___: you could try some other priogram like cfdisk or gparted and see if they have issues with viewing the parittion table |
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| 17:25.29 | Chris___ | well, I'm using it as a server, so no GUI. I'd have to use parted, which I don't *really* know how to do.. |
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| 17:25.49 | gotmynick | do you have "file" installed ? |
| 17:25.49 | somiaj | yea I use cfdisk myself |
| 17:26.01 | gotmynick | try: file -s /dev/sdb |
| 17:26.35 | Chris___ | gotmynick: /dev/sdb: x86 boot sector; partition 2: ID=0xb, starthead 1, startsector 63, 1953520002 sectors, code offset 0xb8 |
| 17:27.41 | gotmynick | here you have what you could get with fdisk -l |
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| 17:28.16 | gotmynick | the filesystem ID, and the geometry of the partitions. Tough it's weird there is no partition 1 |
| 17:28.17 | Chris___ | could I assign the drive a mount point via UUID in /etc/fstab? (even though the drive had this earlier issue) |
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| 17:29.00 | gotmynick | if blkid list sdb2 ... |
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| 17:30.06 | Harzilein | muesst mal raussuchen welche apps betroffen waren, "einige apps" ist so wenig plakativ ;) |
| 17:30.08 | Harzilein | ewin |
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| 17:31.40 | haylo | i am missing this documentation /usr/share/doc/live-build/examples/ is it possible that i have an older version of debian. and is it possible to get these files soemwehre |
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| 17:31.58 | haylo | i thought i would pull them in with aptitude install live-buil |
| 17:32.14 | Chris___ | thanks folks :) |
| 17:32.19 | haylo | live-build* |
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| 17:32.50 | gotmynick | haylo, maybe examples are on live-config ? |
| 17:32.55 | gotmynick | I'm not sure |
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| 17:33.06 | csotelo_ | hello people |
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| 17:33.59 | haylo | gotmynick: you think maybe the people making the walkthrough are on live cd ? |
| 17:34.06 | haylo | and thats why they have the examples ? |
| 17:34.06 | csotelo_ | [OT] some of you know about a network admins channel? thanks |
| 17:34.29 | gotmynick | csotelo_, try #networking |
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| 17:34.44 | gotmynick | haylo, I'm not sure if I understand the question |
| 17:35.07 | gotmynick | haylo, I see the live-config package installs a examples/ dir under /usr/share/doc/live-config/ |
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| 17:35.33 | haylo | ah nice, thank you so much man :) |
| 17:35.44 | gotmynick | np |
| 17:36.03 | csotelo_ | gotmynick: thanks a lot |
| 17:36.11 | boudiccas | i'm trying to get udev rules for my usb phone, and they are ... #SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0fce:2138", SYSFS{idProduct}=="*", MODE="0777" AND SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0fce", SYSFS{idProduct}=="*", MODE="0777" but neither work. lsusb shows .. Bus 001 Device 034: ID 0fce:2138 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB Xperia X10 mini pro (Debug) Where am i going wqrong please? the rules are saved to /etc |
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| 17:40.40 | bullgard4 | What is the most popular Debian wheezy/sid graphical package manager? |
| 17:41.07 | archetech | synaptics |
| 17:41.29 | bullgard4 | archetech: Do you mean Synaptic? |
| 17:42.19 | archetech | y |
| 17:42.22 | boudiccas | bullgard4: why? |
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| 17:44.34 | gotmynick | boudiccas, In /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz it talks about using ATTRS{manufacturer}=="hardware vendor", ATTRS{product}=="model", I don't know if that matters |
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| 17:44.54 | bullgard4 | boudiccas: Your question is too short to be comprehensible. Can you elaborate, please. |
| 17:44.58 | gotmynick | also it talks about udevadm info --attribute-walk --path=/sys/class/.... |
| 17:45.02 | somiaj | bullgard4: popular, aptitude |
| 17:45.22 | somiaj | synaptic sometimes does its own thing and doens't communicate with apt correctly. |
| 17:45.40 | bullgard4 | somiaj: I do not think that aptitude is graphical. |
| 17:46.18 | somiaj | bullgard4: type aptitude, enjoy yoru nice ncurses graphical envoriment (it isn't command line) |
| 17:46.23 | somiaj | though If orget if you can use a mouse with it or not |
| 17:46.32 | somiaj | though aptitude can be usd at the command line too |
| 17:46.36 | bullgard4 | somiaj: I have never heard that Synaptic does not communicate with apt correctly. |
| 17:47.28 | archetech | its true they do get out of sync |
| 17:47.34 | archetech | use one or the other |
| 17:47.52 | somiaj | bullgard4: I think it is more with adding repos and stuff though synaptic. I personally say avoid it and use apt-get/aptitude to keep things working nicely |
| 17:47.52 | somiaj | but yea if you stick only to synaptic you shouldn't have an issue. |
| 17:48.28 | bullgard4 | somiaj: Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 17:52.31 | themill | bullgard4: "konsole -e aptitude" graphical! |
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| 17:53.36 | gotmynick | the debian app "store" |
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| 17:54.18 | viller | do I need to install a specific package on wheezy if I want to mount a windows share? Smbfs doesn't exist in wheezy and mounting doesn't work currently |
| 17:54.29 | viller | I can see shares with smbclient but I can't mount them |
| 17:55.38 | gotmynick | " Utilities for mounting shares locally are found in the package |
| 17:55.38 | gotmynick | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.55 | gotmynick | from "apt-cache show smbclient" |
| 17:55.56 | somiaj | viller: cifs |
| 17:56.09 | somiaj | it is the renaming of the filesystem samba uses |
| 17:56.26 | viller | thanks, I couldn't figure it out myself >:( |
| 17:56.56 | viller | but I don't need package samba right? It's the server I think |
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| 17:57.52 | somiaj | I think you only need the client to mount a share |
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| 17:59.02 | derdon | why am I not in the group 'users' per default? I thought it'd be the normal case to have users in the group 'users' |
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| 17:59.45 | somiaj | I don't think the users group is really given much stuff by default that requires users to be in it |
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| 18:00.09 | somiaj | I think it is there for you to configure and use if you want, but in general you may not want all your people to be in that group |
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| 18:01.28 | somiaj | derdon: http://wiki.gacq.com/index.php/Debian_default_system_groups_description |
| 18:01.51 | somiaj | that group is left there for a more tranditional approach, but debian puts each user in their own group by default. |
| 18:02.39 | derdon | somiaj: thanks for the link |
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| 18:11.43 | isaiahhhhh_ | Hi, cany anyone help me with my wifi card? I'm trying to get the DW1501 to work on debian, it auto installs on ubuntu |
| 18:13.35 | specing | the card installs itself? Oh wow, skynet. |
| 18:13.54 | somiaj | two common issues, a) you don't have the non-free firmware installed |
| 18:14.01 | somiaj | b) you need a newer kernel from squeeze-backports |
| 18:14.07 | somiaj | isaiahhhhh_: what is the exact chipset of the card you are using? |
| 18:15.07 | isaiahhhhh_ | i'm not sure, I read that the Linux STA works but idk how to correctly work that |
| 18:15.24 | isaiahhhhh_ | i'm extremely new to linux |
| 18:16.22 | somiaj | what is the linux STA |
| 18:16.37 | isaiahhhhh_ | http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
| 18:16.43 | somiaj | first off debian removes teh 'non-free'firmware from the kernel (which many distros do not) so you have to install the firmware packages. |
| 18:16.44 | ompaul | isaiahhhhh_: you on that machine now? |
| 18:17.03 | ompaul | isaiahhhhh_: if you ever publish a broadcom url again prepare to dye your hair green |
| 18:17.05 | somiaj | second debian-squeeze default kernel is a bit old for some more modern wifi chips, so you need to install the kernel/firmware from squeeze-backports |
| 18:17.21 | isaiahhhhh_ | how? |
| 18:17.24 | somiaj | isaiahhhhh_: lspci -- can we get the chipset of the card you are using |
| 18:17.39 | somiaj | isaiahhhhh_: there is a good chance the instucrtions are on the debian wiki on what to do |
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| 18:19.37 | isaiahhhhh_ | i'm using a broadcam chipset, but the device doesn't even show up that it eists as far as I can tell |
| 18:20.19 | gnarface | ugh. apache mod_status configured as normal but i get a 404 when connecting to http://localhost/server-status. http://[server url]/server-status works but is Forbidden for security reasons (and i'd rather not change that) wtf am i forgetting? |
| 18:21.05 | isaiahhhhh_ | found it the chipset is BCM4313 |
| 18:24.12 | somiaj | isaiahhhhh_: http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 |
| 18:24.17 | somiaj | looks like you are just missing the non-free firmware |
| 18:25.02 | somiaj | isaiahhhhh_: I would double check you got a supported device from that link I sent you, but those instructions should work |
| 18:26.01 | isaiahhhhh_ | that is the correct device, 4313 |
| 18:26.05 | isaiahhhhh_ | thank you so much |
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| 18:29.53 | isaiahhhhh_ | You're awesome somiaj, that worked like a charm |
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| 18:36.52 | prietus | !cdrom |
| 18:36.52 | dpkg | To mount a cdrom from console, do mount /media/cdrom; also ask me about <automount>. Tell apt about your CD sources using <apt-cdrom>. |
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| 18:37.11 | Cart | Hi guys |
| 18:37.37 | Cart | could soemone please explain the difference between Debian / Fedora and ubunu? |
| 18:37.41 | Cart | Ubuntu` |
| 18:37.42 | Cart | ? |
| 18:38.08 | specing | Where should we start? |
| 18:38.23 | bolt | !ubuntu |
| 18:38.23 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 18:38.25 | Cart | well |
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| 18:38.57 | Cart | the one has a Konsole where the other has Terminal? does the commands still stay the same? |
| 18:39.20 | Cart | The problem is....I have to learn how to use Debian...but all the CBT nuggets are either in FEDORA or REDHAT |
| 18:39.24 | maukd | all of them have everything |
| 18:39.33 | Cart | now I dont know the defference betweeen them |
| 18:39.35 | maukd | what's a CBT nugget? |
| 18:39.47 | Cart | Its these videos that show you how things works |
| 18:39.53 | specing | Oh my |
| 18:39.57 | Cart | I need to study off of them |
| 18:40.00 | maukd | cock/ball torture? |
| 18:40.02 | Cart | But i have to use Debian |
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| 18:40.20 | Cart | problem is all the Videos are in either Fedora or RedHat |
| 18:40.26 | maukd | if it's command line stuff, it will be nearly 100% identical |
| 18:40.33 | Cart | Will the Konsole/Terminal commands still be the same? |
| 18:40.37 | Cart | ahh |
| 18:40.39 | Cart | ok well |
| 18:40.49 | Cart | it doesnt want to work tough cause |
| 18:40.50 | Cart | for instance |
| 18:41.04 | Cart | # yum -y update kernel |
| 18:41.11 | Cart | Doesnt seem to get recognized |
| 18:41.18 | Cart | on Konsole |
| 18:41.31 | CissWit | Cart: how did you find those videos ? |
| 18:41.41 | Cart | its given to us |
| 18:41.45 | maukd | Cart: ok, that part will be very different |
| 18:41.46 | Cart | by the Uni |
| 18:41.54 | maukd | 'yum' is redhat's package manager |
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| 18:42.00 | CissWit | so the uni forces you to use debian and gives you videos on how to use red hat ? |
| 18:42.01 | maukd | debian uses apt-get |
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| 18:43.10 | Cart | ok but could I still just say apt-get update kernel? |
| 18:43.11 | gnarface | oh! that's what i was forgetting. my developers are idiots and keep throwing their broken .htaccess files back in no matter how many times i tell them not to |
| 18:43.23 | gnarface | hits his head against the wall |
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| 18:43.37 | maukd | Cart: probably not |
| 18:44.12 | CissWit | Cart: if the videos are for red hat, then just search for your own materials to learn debian. Google will help. Look for "debian for beginners" "learning debian" "starting with debian linux" |
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| 18:45.32 | Cart | ok will do :) |
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| 18:47.31 | Cart | The probelm is...sometimes I type in Konsole what they say in the manuel right...like for instance " vi /ect/hosts " I get a list of details but I cant seem to edit anything |
| 18:47.49 | Cart | when I try to type its just unresponsive...doesnt show the lettera ctually typing |
| 18:47.54 | CissWit | like i said, find a guide for beginners |
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| 18:48.12 | maukd | Cart: so what you're saying is, you don't know how to use vi? |
| 18:48.25 | Cart | well...probably yea |
| 18:48.28 | CissWit | is the command "vimtutor" available ? |
| 18:48.39 | maukd | nano may be easier for beginners |
| 18:49.04 | maukd | alternatively, find a video that explains how to use vi :-) |
| 18:49.08 | fbs | which package is the 'grub theme'? |
| 18:49.10 | Cart | wimtutor...nope it isnt |
| 18:49.16 | specing | vi is very easy to use |
| 18:49.23 | Cart | ok lemme check |
| 18:49.31 | maukd | Cart: vimtutor, not wimtutor |
| 18:49.32 | specing | all you need to know is ESC, i, :w and :q |
| 18:49.42 | CissWit | anyway, when you type a command like 'vi' and feel like somthing is not working the way you would expect, just google the command |
| 18:49.47 | maukd | specing: that's not enough for real vi :-) |
| 18:49.59 | fbs | :! emacs |
| 18:50.02 | specing | maukd: that is why nobody uses the real vi anymore |
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| 18:50.06 | maukd | specing: ... or even vim with default settings |
| 18:50.14 | specing | maukd: sure it is enaugh |
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| 18:50.20 | specing | maukd: what else do you need? |
| 18:50.21 | maukd | specing: you can't delete text that way |
| 18:50.25 | maukd | you can only type more |
| 18:50.30 | specing | sure you can |
| 18:50.31 | Cart_ | SORRY guys...clicked on exit while trying to click on new tab :( |
| 18:50.34 | specing | i , backspace |
| 18:50.39 | specing | or press del |
| 18:50.45 | maukd | specing: that requires :set bs=indent,eol,start |
| 18:50.47 | specing | del works even in global mode |
| 18:50.48 | maukd | which is not the default |
| 18:50.54 | specing | it is on Gentoo ;P |
| 18:51.03 | maukd | pfft, gentoo |
| 18:51.11 | maukd | compile your own vim! |
| 18:51.15 | specing | I did |
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| 18:51.35 | Cart_ | ok cool I got a video...lets check it out :) |
| 18:51.39 | Cart_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI8TeVMX8pk |
| 18:51.42 | CissWit | [20:50:54] specing ā it is on Gentoo ;P [20:51:11] maukd ā compile your own vim! |
| 18:51.48 | CissWit | that's the point of geentoo :) |
| 18:51.51 | CissWit | gentoo* |
| 18:51.54 | specing | :) |
| 18:51.58 | Cart_ | is that the rigth video? |
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| 18:52.47 | ix_ | hello, where does debian save the aliases? I've just made one and I'm curious where it stores them |
| 18:52.53 | ix_ | bash aliases |
| 18:53.07 | maukd | nowhere |
| 18:53.20 | specing | ix_: ~/.bashrc, /etc/skel/.bashrc, /etc/bash/bashrc |
| 18:53.31 | maukd | you can add your own to ~/.bash_aliases, though |
| 18:54.36 | ix_ | I know I can add that, but I can't find the file where it stores my current alias |
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| 18:54.56 | maukd | again, nowhere |
| 18:55.13 | ix_ | oh |
| 18:55.16 | ix_ | I see now |
| 18:55.16 | maukd | aliases don't live in files |
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| 18:55.33 | ix_ | I closed the terminal and it deleted my alias :D |
| 18:55.35 | maukd | they're settings in some running shell process |
| 18:55.42 | ix_ | ok, I'll make a bash_alias |
| 18:55.43 | maukd | yes, exit the shell and everything is forgotten |
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| 18:55.58 | Cart_ | So ... VI is like a universal tool for all UNIX/Linux OSes? |
| 18:56.06 | maukd | technically these files don't contain aliases, they contain instructions to (re)create aliases |
| 18:56.33 | maukd | Cart_: vi is a text editor, and yes, it's commonly installed on unixish systems |
| 18:57.13 | Cart_ | ok so how would I go about creating a new file with VI? |
| 18:57.23 | specing | vi file |
| 18:57.24 | maukd | vi somenewfile |
| 18:57.29 | maukd | at least that's how I'd do it |
| 18:57.40 | gnarface | actually vi is the one text editor that is part of the POSIX spec |
| 18:57.40 | maukd | from inside: :e somenewfile |
| 18:57.46 | gnarface | it has that on everything else |
| 18:57.50 | maukd | gnarface: I would have expected ed |
| 18:58.06 | gnarface | maukd: no they weren't assholes |
| 18:58.15 | maukd | [citation needed] |
| 18:58.17 | gnarface | haha |
| 18:58.19 | ix_ | Cart_: vi is not intuitive in my experience, nano is easier |
| 18:58.35 | gnarface | nano is much easier for beginners because the instructions are printed at the bottom of the window |
| 18:58.46 | maukd | vim is much more fun, though |
| 18:58.57 | maukd | "fun" |
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| 19:01.10 | Cart_ | Thanks for all the input |
| 19:01.17 | Cart_ | but im already on VI ...trying to learn |
| 19:01.19 | Cart_ | hahah |
| 19:01.27 | Cart_ | not afraid..should I be? |
| 19:01.29 | Cart_ | anyway |
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| 19:01.37 | Cart_ | soo no I say |
| 19:01.42 | Cart_ | vi Newfile |
| 19:01.43 | Cart_ | then |
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| 19:01.46 | Cart_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.46 | gnarface | its just annoying that's all |
| 19:01.54 | ix_ | Cart_: vi is probably good for programming |
| 19:02.03 | Cart_ | then nothing happens |
| 19:02.07 | Cart_ | yea im a programmer |
| 19:02.07 | rgr | lol. |
| 19:02.26 | Cart_ | just never used Linux...really wanted to do linux for a looooong time though |
| 19:02.30 | rgr | are yo useriously comparing nano with vi? lol! |
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| 19:02.51 | Cart_ | ehh whow guys dont want to start an argument :\ |
| 19:03.01 | maukd | Cart_: not :i |
| 19:03.12 | maukd | i starts insert mode |
| 19:03.33 | Cart_ | ohhh ok ... i only |
| 19:03.35 | gnarface | Cart_: since you're new to linux i'll give you a pro tip; never ask a room of linux users what text editor you should use unless you want to start an argument |
| 19:03.45 | rgr | there is no argument. nano is for simple script/config file update. Pretty much nothing else. vi is a programmable complex (albeit awful) legacy editor that can edit the kitchen sink. And there are about 100000 tutorials on it. |
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| 19:03.47 | Cart_ | rofl |
| 19:03.50 | Cart_ | ok got it |
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| 19:03.54 | ix_ | isn't geany great for programming? I saw that it has all kinds of plugins for different programming languages |
| 19:04.23 | Cart_ | hahahaha whow ...it could build a house? would be cool |
| 19:04.24 | rgr | many editos have plugins for all kinds of languages. |
| 19:04.25 | maukd | heh. some people like vi, others absolutely hate it |
| 19:04.41 | maukd | Cart_: there's a #vim channel if you're interested, btw |
| 19:04.42 | rgr | go try them and see what you like. |
| 19:04.51 | gnarface | i just use emacs typically, or mg if the system doesn't have enough ram |
| 19:04.52 | rgr | vim is not vi... |
| 19:05.47 | rgr | but a modal editor in 2012? Pooh to that. |
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| 19:06.10 | ix_ | yeah, vim is vi improved :) |
| 19:06.15 | abrotman | editor war? |
| 19:06.27 | maukd | ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!! |
| 19:06.48 | gnarface | actually had to use it once |
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| 19:07.48 | maukd | has no idea how to use ed |
| 19:08.03 | gnarface | basically you just give it inline regexes and hope you know what you're doing |
| 19:08.28 | maukd | I'd probably resort to perl if I didn't have a full-screen editor |
| 19:08.44 | gnarface | you'd probably be better off than using ed |
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| 19:17.58 | roy__ | Why do i need to insert a cd-rom to install the Flash plugin ? |
| 19:17.58 | peterrooney | uses cat. |
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| 19:18.25 | roy__ | flash-nonfree that is |
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| 19:18.42 | abrotman | roy__: a) it depends on a package on the CD b) you didn't comment out the CD source in your sources.list |
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| 19:19.37 | WinstonSmith | uses butterflies |
| 19:20.18 | roy__ | ah yeah didnt comment out the cd source |
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| 19:24.46 | pc_magas | Hi i have problems with transmission deamon |
| 19:24.52 | FDFlock | Hello. Default JRE is still the 1.6 one, but I'm using the 1.7 JRE/JDK without many problems (at first glance). Is there any reason NOT to uninstall the default one (1.6)? Debian Wheezy |
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| 19:25.08 | pc_magas | I get error permision denied |
| 19:25.18 | pc_magas | even though i changed permissions |
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| 19:26.00 | themill | FDFlock: things may depend on default-jre (not default-jre | whatever-jre-you-have) so you may have troubles doing so |
| 19:26.54 | FDFlock | pc_magas: Is that the torent client? "Deluge", which IMO is better, also has a daemon mode. In any case, more info is needed about permissions |
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| 19:27.27 | bool | I am trying to start gdm3, but it seems like X is going into an infinite loop or something where the cursor just flashes at the top left corner. I am using the nvidia driver and have a GeForce GTX 670 card. |
| 19:28.00 | FDFlock | themill: Thanks, then I'll keep it installed for now (although it's hard to believe that any recent package would depend explicitely on 1.6) |
| 19:28.05 | pc_magas | So the download folder is in group debian-transmission and permitions 770 |
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| 19:29.45 | FDFlock | pc_magas: Are you also a group member? You may need to logout first. |
| 19:31.03 | pc_magas | yes I just put wrong path |
| 19:31.11 | pc_magas | that was the problem |
| 19:31.14 | bool | any ideas what it could be? |
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| 19:31.33 | FDFlock | pc_magas: oh, that's nice :) |
| 19:32.49 | FDFlock | bool: not really, GDM3 works with my nvidia (binary driver). Wheezy. |
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| 19:33.55 | pc_magas | But when I make changes to json file with transmission-deamot stoped it just ignores them |
| 19:33.57 | bool | i am running stable |
| 19:34.08 | bool | cursor just flickers and i cant do anything |
| 19:34.09 | pc_magas | how can i force the changes into json file? |
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| 19:39.21 | humbolt | hey, msdos partition table information is only stored in the first block or sector, right? |
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| 19:43.13 | humbolt | so if I have a partition with a filesystem, which is 2GB in size located at the beginning of the partition, and I expand the partition (not the FS) to occupie the full 8GB of my device and I then create an image of that disk but only of the first 2GB, I will essentially not loose one bit of information, will I? |
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| 19:43.55 | humbolt | as there is no information about the partition stored at it's end, right? |
| 19:44.35 | humbolt | nobody here today? |
| 19:44.47 | humbolt | is a game on the telly? |
| 19:44.57 | maukd | how do I get a newer version of binutils? |
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| 19:46.09 | blubberdiblub | humbolt, if you've only expanded the partition size in the partition table, then yes, you get away with only saving the first 2GB and don't lose information |
| 19:46.31 | humbolt | blubberdiblub: yeah! |
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| 19:47.02 | gnarface | whether that resulting image (though complete in content) is actually usable without being repaired first though is another issue... |
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| 19:47.21 | blubberdiblub | gnarface, he said he didn't expand the filesystem, so it is |
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| 19:49.05 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: yea? what happens when you try to dd a 2GB .iso with an 8GB partition table to a target disk smaller than 8GB? |
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| 19:49.36 | gnarface | would assume grub shits its pants |
| 19:50.43 | blubberdiblub | gnarface, don't know what you mean. iso with partition table? anyway, the circumstance he was talking about was his partition was expanded (to 8GB) while the filesystem was not, in that case the filesystem still acts as if it were in a 2GB partition |
| 19:51.38 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: he earlier asked where the partition was stored on disk. you assumed he meant the first 2GB of *the filesystem* i'm assuming he meant the first 2GB of *the disk* |
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| 19:52.28 | simonlnu | it would get truncated. the empty space (~6 GB) hmm. assuming that the empty space was actually taken, and the partition data wasn't edited. seems to me there would be issues. not having actually tried this, i couldn't say for sure. |
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| 19:52.44 | blubberdiblub | gnarface, yes, true, i'm assuming the most reasonable thing in that case. might be a wrong assumption, tho |
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| 19:53.13 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: the most reasonable thing would be to use tar to back up the filesystem so you don't have to worry about it. |
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| 19:53.36 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: that would also omit the need to specify how many GB |
| 19:53.45 | simonlnu | yeh, i'd certainly be doing that. too many unknowns for my comfort. |
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| 19:54.24 | blubberdiblub | gnarface, whatever. i was just commenting on the case at hand and how i understood it |
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| 19:54.52 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: right, i understand that. and i was commenting on what lead me to the conclusion that whatever he was doing isn't even remotely sane |
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| 20:15.05 | bjwebb | i'm having a persistent problem where vga screens/projectors are detected by my lappy (with correct screen resolutions), but no image is ever displayed. is this likely a software or hardware issue? |
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| 20:19.57 | azazello | How do I install xserver-xoxrg-video-radeonhd in wheezy? It's needed for the free radeon driver to work. |
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| 20:24.07 | boboy77b | http://bitchinbeach.com/Forum/index.php?tid=30&title=The_Best_TEEN_Porn_Movie_Collection |
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| 20:25.30 | prietus | wtf |
| 20:25.31 | somiaj | azazello: it is probabaly a part of the xserver-xorg-video-radeon package. |
| 20:25.52 | somiaj | azazello: note that if you want any 3d acceleration with the free drivers, you'll need non-free firmware package too |
| 20:26.58 | azazello | somiaj, glxinfo does say I have 3d-acceleration; and I do have both -radeon and non-free firmware installed. The problem is that GNOME system-settings Display wouldn't let me change my monitor's resolution to its highest possible. |
| 20:27.10 | azazello | it's usually a sign that something is wrong with the driver... |
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| 20:27.44 | somiaj | type xrandr in the console, see what video modes that says your card supports |
| 20:27.55 | somiaj | sometimes it is the info on the monintor not being correctly given to xorg |
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| 20:29.25 | azazello | somiaj, the highest resolution given by xrandr is the one I'm currently on: 1280x1024. However it's a 24'' monitor and did manage to display 1920x1080 with the same videocard |
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| 20:30.23 | somiaj | azazello: so it is either the driver or the EDID of your monintor isn't telling xorg it can use that larger resolution |
| 20:30.45 | somiaj | azazello: on my radeon 4200 I can get 1920x1080 just fine on my hdmi tv |
| 20:31.01 | somiaj | azazello: are you plugging into your monintor with a standard 15 port vga slot or an hdmi cable? |
| 20:31.17 | somiaj | azazello: and that is with sid and the radeon drivers, so I don't think it is the driver issue in this case. |
| 20:31.49 | nycjv321 | hey |
| 20:31.53 | nycjv321 | exit |
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| 20:32.42 | azazello | somiaj, VGA cable. It doesn't matter really. The evil of hell named Fedora Core could display 1920 through the same chord just all right |
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| 20:33.02 | nycjv321 | hey why would the system disable irc 16? how would I go about renabing it? |
| 20:33.20 | somiaj | ahh well I know that some monintors give crappy edid info or won't let you get their full 1920x1080 resolution over a vga cable (mine is one for instance) |
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| 20:33.57 | somiaj | azazello: go though your Xorg.0.log and various other things in xrandr to see why it thinks it cannot get that higher resolution. |
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| 20:38.23 | nycjv321 | hey why would the system disable irc 16? how would I go about renabing it? |
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| 20:38.45 | somiaj | what is irc 16? |
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| 20:40.52 | nycjv321 | somiaj: usb/firewire |
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| 20:41.38 | somiaj | that didn't help me, you mean irq? |
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| 20:42.27 | nycjv321 | yes thats what I meant... sorry! |
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| 20:42.59 | somiaj | why did it disable irq16 -- sometimes this is done in the bios, read though your dmesg and see if you can figure out why. |
| 20:43.12 | simonlnu | irq conflict |
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| 20:43.33 | simonlnu | popped into my head, doesn't necessarily mean that |
| 20:43.34 | nycjv321 | I've used 4 differnt verson of linux aandthis isthe first time its disabed irq.. it will do this when Iam afk and the monitor turns on the screensaver |
| 20:43.42 | nycjv321 | any irq* |
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| 20:43.56 | abrotman | !r |
| 20:43.56 | dpkg | R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. To install: "aptitude -r install r-base". http://wiki.debian.org/R http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/R http://www.r-project.org/ #r on irc.freenode.net. And it's "are", not "r". See also <plotting>. |
| 20:44.07 | abrotman | !release history |
| 20:44.07 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
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| 20:44.13 | simonlnu | i've had that happen when it was a wonky board and sometimes iffy drivers and/or pci |
| 20:44.37 | simonlnu | the irongate board that fried (?) did that |
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| 20:47.22 | cesurasean | what is the command to grep files for wording in a directory? |
| 20:47.45 | somiaj | nycjv321: type dmesg -- read though the logs, if debian disables an irq it will tell you why with some error message (provided it isn't just bad hardware) |
| 20:47.51 | daemonkeeper | grep (surprise!) |
| 20:49.06 | simonlnu | cesurasean: grep --help |
| 20:49.07 | azazello | somiaj, if that matter's, lsmod|grep radeon gives nothing |
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| 20:50.07 | somiaj | azazello: so you aren't even running the radeon module, go read your Xorg.0.log (or give us a copy at paste.debian.net) I want to see exactly what xorg thinks you are running |
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| 20:51.43 | azazello | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/188852/ |
| 20:52.07 | azazello | somiaj, as you see, it does have some mentioning of ATI driver |
| 20:53.00 | somiaj | azazello: but it doesn't load it, it loades the VESA driver instead |
| 20:53.10 | somiaj | is your radeon card in that list of supported cards it lists? |
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| 20:54.12 | azazello | somiaj, I can't deduce the answer from what lspci tells me: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 9901 |
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| 20:54.15 | somiaj | line 354 is where the actual problem is |
| 20:54.21 | somiaj | [ 16.113] (II) GPU only supported with KMS, using vesa instead. |
| 20:54.37 | somiaj | so you don't have kms enabled....what does 'modprobe radeon' return if you try to manually load the radeon kms module |
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| 20:54.46 | somiaj | well radeon module (which should depend on kms) |
| 20:55.07 | azazello | somiaj, nothing. It gets inserted with no mistakes. |
| 20:55.27 | azazello | somiaj, as i said, i have radeon installed, but not radeonhd |
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| 20:57.08 | somiaj | the problem is kms isn't loading correctly, do you use a framebuffer? |
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| 20:57.55 | somiaj | if you have any video= settings in your bootup that loads a framebuffer it won't let kms load and thus is causing your conflict making you use the vesa driver |
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| 20:59.26 | somiaj | http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting |
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| 20:59.52 | azazello | I think I do use a framebuffer |
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| 21:00.20 | somiaj | it should be working by default and xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd was removed in order to use xorg-video-radeon to have kms support instead (better method) |
| 21:00.41 | somiaj | so my guess is when you followed some instructions to setup a framebuffer you used a video= or vga= line and caused kms to not load correclty. |
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| 21:01.07 | azazello | In my /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf, the only line is options radeon modeset=1 |
| 21:01.09 | azazello | is that OK? |
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| 21:01.34 | azazello | so, the point is disable framebuffer? |
| 21:01.56 | somiaj | don't want to turn on my laptop to compare |
| 21:02.10 | somiaj | well kms is also a framebuffer, but yes if you enabled some other framebuffer it could be conflicting |
| 21:02.21 | somiaj | but you know what the issue is now, it is kms is not loading, look though your logs and figure out why |
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| 21:02.27 | somiaj | try dmesg | grep kms |
| 21:03.24 | azazello | somiaj, returned nothing |
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| 21:04.09 | somiaj | yea I don't know why it isn't loading by default, I never had issues like this on my radeon cards |
| 21:04.28 | somiaj | and everythign says that kms is loaded by default squeeze onward in debian. so you did something to disable it |
| 21:04.58 | somiaj | do you have the package xserver-xorg-video-vesa installed? |
| 21:05.38 | somiaj | that driver is incompadable ith kms, but again it shoudl'nt be disabling it |
| 21:05.56 | azazello | somiaj, Yes, I have it installed... Should I remove it? |
| 21:06.10 | somiaj | azazello: what does 'grep modset /etc/modprobe.d/*' give |
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| 21:06.27 | somiaj | azazello: what does 'grep modeset /etc/modprobe.d/*' give |
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| 21:06.53 | azazello | /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf:options i915 modeset=1 |
| 21:06.53 | azazello | /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf:options radeon modeset=1 |
| 21:07.55 | azazello | On Intel and Radeon cards KMS is disabled at run time in Debian kernel images by default. |
| 21:07.57 | azazello | !!! |
| 21:07.57 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:08.38 | azazello | somiaj, btw, if that matters, i don't have the xorg.conf file |
| 21:08.40 | somiaj | -but it should be enabled when you modprobe radeon |
| 21:08.43 | somiaj | it doens't |
| 21:09.13 | azazello | somiaj, so where should i look for framebuffer? in /boot? |
| 21:09.18 | somiaj | so you manually loaded the 'radeon' driver, |
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| 21:09.27 | azazello | yeah |
| 21:09.29 | somiaj | lsmod | grep kms and lsmod | grep radeon show it is there |
| 21:09.34 | azazello | should i restart gdm3? |
| 21:09.46 | somiaj | yea restart your xserver and see if everything is detected correctly |
| 21:10.01 | azazello | ok. both radeon and kms are on the list of modules |
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| 21:10.38 | azazello | somiaj, would /etc/init.d/gdm3 as root do the job of restarting xserver? |
| 21:11.16 | somiaj | correct |
| 21:11.22 | somiaj | I'd logout of your current xsession just to be safe |
| 21:11.33 | somiaj | well /etc/init.d/gdm3 restart |
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| 21:15.03 | azazello | (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported. |
| 21:15.06 | azazello | still the same |
| 21:15.56 | somiaj | so something is disabling KMS |
| 21:15.58 | somiaj | uname -a |
| 21:16.02 | somiaj | (what kernel are you running) |
| 21:16.12 | azazello | 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 21:17.26 | somiaj | I still think it is your framebuffer conflicting, which would mean you have to disable your framebuffer then reboot |
| 21:17.40 | mmnicolas | where is the Xorg log pastebin link ? :) |
| 21:17.56 | somiaj | mmnicolas: |
| 21:18.02 | somiaj | mmnicolas: http://paste.debian.net/188852/ -- for azazello issue? |
| 21:18.26 | azazello | http://paste.debian.net/188857/ |
| 21:18.28 | azazello | the last one |
| 21:18.30 | mmnicolas | ah! thanks, apparently I didn't scroll high enough |
| 21:18.41 | azazello | after i tried to launch it with radeon inserted |
| 21:19.55 | somiaj | azazello: can I have the output of dmesg on paste.debian.net |
| 21:21.04 | azazello | http://paste.debian.net/188858/ |
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| 21:21.53 | somiaj | yea look at line 1081 -- modesetting is enabled |
| 21:23.09 | somiaj | azazello: grep radeon /etc/modprobe.conf.d/* |
| 21:23.21 | somiaj | azazello: grep radeon /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 21:23.42 | somiaj | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=589807#22 |
| 21:23.50 | azazello | /etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf:blacklist radeonfb |
| 21:23.51 | azazello | /etc/modprobe.d/radeon-kms.conf:options radeon modeset=1 |
| 21:24.23 | mmnicolas | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681254 |
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| 21:25.23 | azazello | so, it's blacklisted or what? |
| 21:26.05 | somiaj | the guy I found who had a similar situation was because he had a whole configfile around that was blacklisting the readeon driver causing some other framebuffer to load |
| 21:26.10 | somiaj | but not sure if that is your case |
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| 21:29.13 | mmnicolas | this are a few bugs like this for xserver-xorg-video-radeon, do we have an exact model for this chipset ? |
| 21:29.36 | mmnicolas | *there |
| 21:30.02 | somiaj | azazello: care to regive us the lspci info, and make sure you includ the pciid of the card |
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| 21:36.14 | azazello | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/188867/ |
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| 21:39.48 | azazello | I don't believe my card isn't supported |
| 21:39.49 | mmnicolas | oh.. onboard !? |
| 21:40.47 | azazello | yeah |
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| 21:40.51 | azazello | it's integrated video |
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| 21:42.42 | mmnicolas | and according to HP what's the model, Radeon 9901 ? |
| 21:43.01 | somiaj | azazello: lspci -n -s 00:01.0 |
| 21:43.19 | mmnicolas | I mean, what does the sticker says :P |
| 21:43.51 | somiaj | I just need the two four diget numbers xxxx:xxxx |
| 21:44.23 | mmnicolas | Radeon HD 7660D right ? |
| 21:45.40 | mmnicolas | somiaj: I bet on 1002:9901 |
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| 21:47.29 | azazello | sorry, my monitor periodically loses signal. Had to reboot |
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| 21:49.18 | somiaj | ,pciid 1002:9001 |
| 21:49.19 | judd | [1002:9001] is 'Unknown device' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9001 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 21:49.33 | somiaj | so it isn't even a radeon device? |
| 21:49.39 | somiaj | oh wait that is a sound device |
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| 21:50.27 | azazello | somiaj, so what do you think could be disabling kms in my case? |
| 21:50.46 | somiaj | azazello: lspic -n -- still want the pciid of the actual video card device. |
| 21:50.54 | mmnicolas | you mistyped |
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| 21:51.02 | mmnicolas | ,pciid 1002:9901 |
| 21:51.03 | somiaj | ,pciid 1002:9901 |
| 21:51.04 | judd | [1002:9901] is 'Unknown device' from 'Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9901 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 21:51.42 | mmnicolas | azazello: or just the model of that HP computer |
| 21:51.59 | azazello | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/188875/ |
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| 21:53.23 | azazello | mmnicolas, P7-1240 |
| 21:53.24 | mmnicolas | somiaj: that description is wrong, it's still an "unknown device" the audio driver might just be there because there's an hdmi output |
| 21:54.23 | azazello | HD7660D isn't even mentioned on AMD website... |
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| 21:55.02 | mmnicolas | yea, their onboard video is completely different family, had to wait a long time before mine was supported |
| 21:55.10 | mmnicolas | azazello: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03353576&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=5231490#N412 |
| 21:55.44 | azazello | so, you think it's not supported?! |
| 21:56.38 | somiaj | usually if the card isn't supported xorg says 'card not supported' |
| 21:56.53 | mmnicolas | definetely, seeing how it gets defined by lspci |
| 21:56.54 | somiaj | not that kms is disabled, I still think you have some framebuffer disabiling kms at bootup |
| 21:57.13 | azazello | where are the booup options speicified? |
| 21:57.16 | azazello | rc.2? |
| 21:57.18 | mmnicolas | this hardware is clearly "unknown" to the kernel you're running |
| 21:58.23 | mmnicolas | "ATI Device 9901" ..cmon |
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| 22:00.01 | mmnicolas | you're running testing ? |
| 22:00.10 | azazello | yea, wheezy |
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| 22:01.07 | mmnicolas | you could try building your kernel straight from ftp.kernel.org, or temporarily revert to a more bleeding-edge distro |
| 22:01.25 | mmnicolas | like Ubuntu/Fedora |
| 22:01.56 | somiaj | well 3.2 is fairly new kernel, but yes do you still have Fedora installed in which is was working, just to see what it called the thing |
| 22:02.35 | mmnicolas | and.. theses machines are still on the shelves where I work, give it some time :P |
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| 22:03.03 | azazello | somiaj, No. I've removed Fedora cause I thought it was FC that cause my monitor to lose signal after 20 minutes... |
| 22:03.09 | bcv_ | anyone can help me with axis rotation when I do an xrandr orientation change please ? |
| 22:03.09 | azazello | apparently i was wrong |
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| 22:04.32 | somiaj | mmnicolas: yea I was going off it was working in FC so I would assume it would work in wheezy, but I don't keep up with what kernels/xorg other distros run |
| 22:04.58 | azazello | Fedora's kernel was newer: 3.5 something |
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| 22:06.02 | somiaj | ahh so it could be you do need a newer kernel |
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| 22:06.40 | azazello | oh may..I'm stupid..I was running a proprietary Catalyst driver. |
| 22:06.45 | _ramok | hi |
| 22:07.01 | _ramok | how can i delete folders excepting folder1, folder2, folder3, folder4, folder5 ? |
| 22:07.06 | somiaj | azazello: you can run those in debian too, fglrx-driver should bring it all in |
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| 22:07.43 | azazello | somiaj, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/ |
| 22:07.49 | azazello | according to this, you can't |
| 22:08.07 | azazello | or otherwise, is it written somewhere? what packages do I need to install etc |
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| 22:09.16 | mmnicolas | azazello: I wouldn't bother |
| 22:09.31 | azazello | mmnicolas, I wouldn't bother about what? |
| 22:09.52 | mmnicolas | trying to make it work under debian, for a while |
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| 22:10.15 | specing | ATI is really suckish when it comes to Linux |
| 22:10.21 | specing | If you ask me |
| 22:10.30 | azazello | mmnicolas, I have a 24'' samsung with a resolution of 1280x1024. It is indeed annoying. |
| 22:10.41 | mmnicolas | it's probably just a matter of adding pci id's to a list |
| 22:10.42 | somiaj | azazello: oh yea forgot I ran across that recentally upgrading sid, and am back to using the free drivers on my 4200 |
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| 22:11.25 | somiaj | well the no fglrx in wheezy/sid is due to the abi version upgrade in xorg -- man that has hit non-free drivers multiple times this last year |
| 22:11.35 | mmnicolas | specing: that too, but it's fresh out of factory and it's the less-supported line of chipset |
| 22:12.34 | specing | happily runs the nvidia blobs |
| 22:12.59 | mmnicolas | I run it too, but with shame.. |
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| 22:13.10 | azazello | somiaj, i'll try to follow instructions for squeeze |
| 22:13.12 | specing | Why with shame? |
| 22:13.32 | somiaj | the xorg abi upgrade hit the nvidia blobs for a while, but they were much better at updating their packages to be compadable |
| 22:13.38 | mmnicolas | they're not that much better |
| 22:13.41 | specing | 302.17 added support for Xrandr so now I can manipulate displays on the fly |
| 22:13.43 | somiaj | azazello: squeeze is probabaly to old for that card, maybe in squeeze backports. |
| 22:13.53 | somiaj | azazello: personally I say go back to FC since you know it worked. |
| 22:14.01 | specing | mmnicolas: I've had no problems whatsoever with these |
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| 22:14.14 | azazello | somiaj, because of this abi, aptitude proposes downgrading xorg. Do you think it's a good idea? |
| 22:14.20 | mmnicolas | specing: what about KMS ? |
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| 22:14.36 | specing | mmnicolas: uhm |
| 22:14.41 | somiaj | specing: people who run debian prefer vendors to support the os framework, so there is alawys a small dislike of anythign non-free (even non-free firmware in the supplied os kernel is consider an issue in debian) |
| 22:14.50 | specing | I don't think that'd work for gaming and blender. |
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| 22:15.22 | specing | somiaj: I also prefer opensource stuff, but not if it limits me in what I can do |
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| 22:15.46 | somiaj | but I've used the nvidia blob for 10+ years and have been fairly happy with it...but in sid it breaks more often than most other packages |
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| 22:16.00 | somiaj | I've had to deal with broken nvidia packages more times than any other single package breaking |
| 22:16.04 | mrtnt | Are there programs which work entirely in CPU cache? |
| 22:16.30 | quantumfoam | demoscene stuff maybe? |
| 22:16.33 | quantumfoam | written in asm |
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| 22:17.44 | Devastator | the lack of xorg to follow a single path has been holding back linux as an alternative OS for users with just a few experience with computers.. my opinion though |
| 22:18.44 | quantumfoam | so I'm looking for some linux labs (have cbtnuggets at work, meh) that teach real world skills |
| 22:18.54 | quantumfoam | e.g. hardware troubleshooting from a linux perspective |
| 22:18.59 | quantumfoam | any suggestions from anyone? |
| 22:19.14 | somiaj | Devastator: I just hope waylend dies, but xorg is still holding on to some antiquated features to ensure it stays compadable with everyones faviorte wm |
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| 22:20.43 | Devastator | somiaj well, xorg is the server, if they change, wm will also change, i don't understand why holding on such things.. |
| 22:20.50 | specing | somiaj: Gentoo :D |
| 22:20.51 | _ramok | how can i delete multiple folders except some other oflders? |
| 22:21.37 | specing | _ramok: find supports regexes |
| 22:22.06 | somiaj | Devastator: the problem is if xorg changes xlib or the core (such as waylend is trying), you could make almost every wm out there not work and thus resistance to follow will be high. |
| 22:22.21 | mmnicolas | _ramok: how can I talk to people but not all people, I just talk to some people |
| 22:22.22 | specing | _ramok: if you want to keep only one (such as when unzipping a poorly zipped archive), usu shopt -s extglob; rm !(archive.zip) |
| 22:22.22 | themill | _ramok: bash's extglob can help you there |
| 22:22.44 | mmnicolas | _ramok: find something common on the folders you want to delete or keep |
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| 22:23.11 | somiaj | _ramok: kinda depends on how you name things. If you could use wildcards to only match the folders you don't want to delete. I can't think of a default remove tool that allows you to give in an --exclude list |
| 22:23.29 | somiaj | but things like rsync allow --exclude lists, so that way you could copy every folder except the ones you don't want. |
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| 22:23.54 | mmnicolas | actually, rsync has a --excludelist, and it works pretty well |
| 22:24.15 | somiaj | yea, but can you just rsync to just remove stuff (not copy at all) |
| 22:24.18 | mmnicolas | --exclude-from=FILE |
| 22:24.38 | somiaj | but you could rsync everying except the exclude list |
| 22:24.47 | somiaj | then delte the whole orginial and you have only left what you want. |
| 22:24.52 | mmnicolas | I' sure you can |
| 22:26.09 | somiaj | I know there is an option to delete the original after the copy |
| 22:26.13 | somiaj | so copy to /dev/null |
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| 22:27.00 | black_13 | is it possible to boot off an iso image using grub2 |
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| 22:27.22 | somiaj | I belive so (i've seen people use grub2 to create a multiboot usb from iso images) but don't know the details |
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| 22:28.11 | somiaj | black_13: https://www.google.com/search?q=grub2+boot+from+iso&sugexp=chrome,mod=4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 |
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| 22:31.57 | roy__ | i'm happy to have found debian, ubuntu would crash on unexpected moments .. but debian has been good so far for my laptop |
| 22:32.40 | somiaj | roy__: sure hope you are running stable -- though I rarely have sid crash on me, I have ti break during upgrades regurally..(: |
| 22:32.40 | bolt | roy__: that sounds strange |
| 22:33.03 | bolt | roy__: how did ubuntu crash? |
| 22:33.23 | daemonkeeper | Not really. Ubuntu has a rapid release cycle. It may be very well possible, they use some newish software which crashes a lot. |
| 22:33.25 | somiaj | bolt: not really, non-free by default can sometimes cause stability issues. But yes kernel crashes are usually more underlaying drivers/hardware than actual distro. |
| 22:33.43 | somiaj | and ubuntu autoupdates a lot without warning and that causes things to break |
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| 22:34.07 | bolt | i know this. still wondering what sort of crashes we're talking |
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| 22:34.34 | roy__ | bolt, just total freeze .. had to reboot whenever it happened |
| 22:35.34 | roy__ | bolt, also if i completely closed the lid .. it would crash, couldn't get back to the desktop |
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| 22:36.30 | bolt | so you had an issue with power management, most likely. speedstepping or graphics card |
| 22:37.26 | roy__ | i guess, glad i don't have to deal with it anymore ... |
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| 22:49.51 | humbolt | big problem! |
| 22:50.26 | humbolt | I am writing a init.d script and need it to not start an instance of the daemon again, when it already runs. but it does not work. |
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| 22:51.28 | somiaj | what do you mean by 'not start an instance of the daemon again |
| 22:51.45 | humbolt | the pid is stored with --make-pidfile and I see it in there and the process with the pid is still running, but I can't get start-stop-daemon to NOT start a new instance, when one is already running |
| 22:51.50 | somiaj | the init.d script should only start/stop/restart the daemon and not be trying to start it again...or you just want to add some error checking for a pid or something) |
| 22:52.08 | somiaj | so you want it to just fail if the pidfile exists? |
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| 22:52.28 | humbolt | I have a shell script (with an endless loop) called playout. this is started by an init script. that part works |
| 22:52.33 | somiaj | if [ -f /path/to/pidfile ] |
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| 22:52.39 | somiaj | then |
| 22:52.44 | somiaj | echo "pid file eixsts" |
| 22:52.46 | somiaj | exit 1 |
| 22:52.48 | somiaj | (something like that) |
| 22:53.07 | humbolt | I want it to fail, when the pidfile exists and the pid is running |
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| 22:53.32 | somiaj | well then you'll have to add some additional error checking if you want the pid to be running |
| 22:53.32 | humbolt | but I thought, the start-stop-daemon thingy is checking all that by itself! |
| 22:53.38 | somiaj | so use ps to determine if the pid in the file exists or not |
| 22:53.58 | somiaj | I don't really use start-stop-daemon myself, I just write my own checking in the init script |
| 22:54.10 | humbolt | what is that start-stop-daemon --test for then? |
| 22:54.11 | somiaj | I use the above in the init.d scripts I have written |
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| 22:54.38 | somiaj | read the man page, --test is to only test the command (not test if a pid exists) |
| 22:54.49 | somiaj | "Print actions that would be taken and set appropriate return value, but take no action." |
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| 22:55.17 | somiaj | but I suggest readding teh man page of start-stop-daemon if that is the tool you awnt to use |
| 22:55.29 | humbolt | somiaj: what is the appropriate return value? |
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| 22:55.49 | humbolt | somiaj: I did read it, but did not understand certain parts |
| 22:56.05 | somiaj | it is the exit code |
| 22:56.06 | humbolt | e.g. what the heck --oknodo is fore |
| 22:56.10 | somiaj | exit 0 means the command run sucessful |
| 22:56.21 | somiaj | the other return values are error codes you can read to determine what failed |
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| 22:59.43 | humbolt | somiaj: so the exit status of test just tells me, if the process could be started, ergo if all the necessary files are there, but nothing about the pid and whether or not the daemon is already running?! |
| 22:59.59 | humbolt | somiaj: I need to use --status for that? |
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| 23:00.38 | somiaj | humbolt: I don't want to read and understand the manpage for you. I don't use start-stop-daemon, I just simple bash if/then for my error checking |
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| 23:01.54 | humbolt | somiaj: alright |
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| 23:03.55 | somiaj | humbolt: I take a simple approach and just test of teh pidfile, if it exists I error the init.d script out |
| 23:04.24 | somiaj | humbolt: even if it exists and the program is not running I would rather manually remove the pidfile and restart the processes (then figure out why the process is exitign without taking care of its pidfile) |
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| 23:06.01 | humbolt | somiaj: no manual possible. I need a cron job running the start action at least every 30 minutes, just to be sure. and when the thing is running already, it just does nothing. I have no access to the box and no resources for monit. its a raspberry pi |
| 23:06.08 | humbolt | at the end of the world |
| 23:08.13 | somiaj | humbolt: what? a daemon shouldn't needed to be started every 30 minuets. is this an x-y problem. What is it you are really trying to achive? |
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| 23:12.03 | humbolt | somiaj: hey man, relax. It's a damn video player. Lots of things can go wrong there. This is just for reliability. |
| 23:12.23 | humbolt | somiaj: I just found out, why start-stop-daemon is giving me trouble |
| 23:13.14 | somiaj | humbolt: I'm just saying if you state your actual problem people here may have a far more useful solution what your doing. |
| 23:13.17 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:13.44 | somiaj | cool, glad you figured it out, yea I don't mind helping you continue on this path, just what you are doing is unstandard and there could be a clearn way |
| 23:14.30 | humbolt | somiaj: ok, I have a looping shell script, which starts video playback of all files on disk, randomly one at a time. I need it to run! when it dies, it needs to be restarted!!! |
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| 23:15.35 | humbolt | somiaj: still I don't understand why this start-stop-d thingy thinks, that my process is not running anymore. |
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| 23:15.55 | somiaj | strange that it dies, mplayer -shuffle <list of files> will do just that. |
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| 23:16.14 | black_13 | when i try to use the command line grub2 |
| 23:16.21 | humbolt | somiaj: it does not die. but what if. and there is no mplayer on raspi |
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| 23:16.34 | humbolt | somiaj: precautions! |
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| 23:16.38 | black_13 | and run "insmod iso9660" i get a file not found |
| 23:16.59 | humbolt | how to I test, if there is a running process to a pid in a pidfile? |
| 23:17.05 | somiaj | humbolt: cool, well I think you got start-stop-deamon figured out how to test if the prgram is running, you know how to use the exit code |
| 23:17.14 | somiaj | humbolt: does start-stop-daemon --status return what is going on? |
| 23:17.35 | humbolt | somiaj: I'll do it by hand now. |
| 23:17.47 | humbolt | somiaj: it does return a wrong value |
| 23:18.01 | humbolt | the process is running, and it tells me, that it is not! |
| 23:18.48 | somiaj | ps -p pid |
| 23:19.01 | somiaj | will list a process of the given pid, not sure how to easily use this in a script though |
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| 23:27.20 | humbolt | somiaj: well, the return value tells you, whether ps found the pid or not, hence if it is running or not. |
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| 23:27.28 | humbolt | I got it to run now |
| 23:27.34 | humbolt | two line |
| 23:27.53 | humbolt | start-stop-daemon --status --pidfile $PIDFILE |
| 23:28.00 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.03 | humbolt | done |
| 23:28.16 | humbolt | somiaj: thanks for your help! |
| 23:28.21 | humbolt | got me ideas! |
| 23:29.08 | somiaj | humbolt: if [ start-stop-daemon --status --pidfile $PIDFILE ] |
| 23:29.27 | somiaj | if you want a oneliner as opposed to checking $? afterwards |
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| 23:30.04 | maukd | why the [ ]? |
| 23:30.14 | themill | wonders if we're going to reinvent the rest of daemontools tonight too |
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| 23:31.41 | somiaj | most likley, (: |
| 23:32.37 | somiaj | nice that seems to be exactly what he wants, from apt-cache show humbolt daemontools "It starts the service and restarts the service if it dies." |
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| 23:33.33 | somiaj | maukd: my bash syntax is weak..(: |
| 23:34.24 | humbolt | themill: sounds promising! |
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| 23:36.44 | humbolt | themill: thanks, I'll check that out! |
| 23:37.06 | themill | np |
| 23:37.23 | humbolt | somiaj: you where right, somebody knows the answer to the greater problem. |
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| 23:39.34 | somiaj | still think people have already created video player daemons, though I really only know of the audio counterparts |
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| 23:41.10 | humbolt | themill: while "It pauses for a second after starting ./run" does not sound like exact science! |
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| 23:49.27 | humbolt | actually, what happens, it this is triggered twice simultanously? "/etc/init.d/serviceX start"? |
| 23:49.33 | humbolt | for whatever reason |
| 23:49.45 | KsM | nothing really |
| 23:49.59 | KsM | I think most of the time the script checks if an instance is already running |
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| 23:51.46 | vipe_ | I just recovered my lost partition table using parted rescue, when I quit it doesn't seem to save the table, if I run fdisk -l afterwards nothing is changed |
| 23:53.09 | vipe_ | any advice ? |
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| 23:56.11 | vipe_ | seems to be quiet :-( |
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