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| 00:03.34 | vipe_ | I just recovered my lost partition table using parted rescue, when I quit it doesn't seem to save the table, if I run fdisk -l afterwards nothing is changed |
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| 00:04.05 | ztag100 | anyone able to tell me which of these http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/ |
| 00:04.14 | ztag100 | are debian without a GUI? |
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| 00:04.30 | ztag100 | (no DE prebundled)? |
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| 00:05.42 | daemonkeeper | All of them can be run headless. |
| 00:05.52 | gabesubdo | ztag100: it would appear that the standard one doesn't come with X at all |
| 00:06.07 | ztag100 | gabesubdo |
| 00:06.09 | ztag100 | thanks |
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| 00:06.23 | ztag100 | **gabesudo: thanks*** |
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| 00:06.34 | daemonkeeper | All do. The difference is just about the DE being shipped on the CD. Nobody forces you to actually make use of it. |
| 00:06.43 | gabesubdo | no problem. you can inspect the packages files to see what's included |
| 00:06.57 | ztag100 | daemonkeeper, I understand that, I just don't want one bundled at all |
| 00:07.09 | ztag100 | I'd much rather configure it myself |
| 00:07.14 | gabesubdo | these are livecds, I imagine they're a bit different from installing and picking whatever you want at that time |
| 00:07.49 | ztag100 | actually, now that I remember this is a live distro, I'm probably gna want a DE |
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| 00:08.11 | ztag100 | also, I can use any live iso on a USB, right? |
| 00:08.52 | ztag100 | could anyone send me the link for a live CD torrent? |
| 00:08.56 | vipe_ | I just recovered my lost partition table using parted rescue (gpt), when I quit it doesn't seem to save the table, if I run fdisk -l afterwards nothing is changed. It remains the same, one whole partition |
| 00:09.19 | vipe_ | any advice ? |
| 00:09.45 | gabesubdo | ztag100: depending on your hardware, you're probably able to use one of the Hybrid ISOs at http://www.debian.org/CD/live/, which has bittorrent links |
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| 00:11.08 | ztag100 | gabesubdo: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-dvd/ |
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| 00:11.15 | ztag100 | is this the right place? |
| 00:11.46 | ztag100 | also, why are there "DVD 1" "DVD 2" "DVD 3"? |
| 00:12.04 | gabesubdo | those aren't live images |
| 00:12.29 | gabesubdo | they're install ISOs, with the extra ones containing extra packages (usually people just download the first CD or DVD and pull anything else off the network |
| 00:12.34 | gabesubdo | ) |
| 00:13.09 | gabesubdo | these are the hybrid ISOs for i386 (if you can't do 64-bit): http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 00:14.09 | ztag100 | thanks |
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| 00:14.31 | ztag100 | I'll be back in like 10 min, I need to restart my computer before I start |
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| 00:25.55 | azazello | somiaj, hello again. I've installed Debian Stable onto the same hardware. Fglrx clearly said the adapter is not supported. With radeon I'm having the same issue even though I now do have the package radeonhd. |
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| 00:30.57 | archetech | i installed xfce4 and got cer 4.6 wanted 4.8 on squezze |
| 00:31.03 | archetech | any suggestions |
| 00:31.08 | somiaj | azazello: squeeze is gonna be way to old, maybe the flgrx and xorg in squeeze-backports will work |
| 00:31.16 | somiaj | !tell azazello about squeeze-backports |
| 00:31.23 | somiaj | ,versions xfce4 |
| 00:31.24 | judd | Package: xfce4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2.1; lenny-backports: 4.6.1.1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2; sid: 4.8.0.3; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; experimental: 4.10.0 |
| 00:31.38 | somiaj | ,checkbackport xfce4 |
| 00:31.39 | judd | Backporting package xfce4 in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
| 00:31.47 | somiaj | archetech: you will have to make your own backport |
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| 00:32.11 | archetech | ok |
| 00:32.24 | archetech | bummer |
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| 00:33.31 | azazello | somiaj, so you think I should try installing radeon and radeonhd from backports? |
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| 00:36.18 | somiaj | I doubt teh free driver in squeeze-backports will do any better than your issue in wheezy |
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| 00:36.40 | somiaj | archetech: /msg dpkg ssbp (though unsure how many side packages you'll ahve to also backport) |
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| 00:36.54 | somiaj | azazello: but the fglrx in squeeze-backports may support it |
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| 00:37.27 | azazello | somiaj, i'll try that. |
| 00:37.39 | Ariii | Hi! |
| 00:37.51 | azazello | somiaj, is that possible that fglrx from testing doesn't support my card, but fglrx from stable backports does? |
| 00:38.12 | somiaj | azazello: the issue is fglrx is NOT in testing because it is not capabable with the new xorg abi |
| 00:38.13 | sney | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 00:38.14 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1; experimental/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1+exp1 |
| 00:38.36 | somiaj | I though fglrx was backported -- but don't see it there |
| 00:39.19 | Ariii | I have a clamshell iBook that's fine in OpenBox and FVWM, but does anybody know of a desktop manager that would work fine other than LXDE? |
| 00:39.44 | azazello | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fglrx&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports |
| 00:39.45 | mmnicolas | Ariii: next on the list is xfce |
| 00:39.50 | somiaj | azazello: but since your laptop is so new, and it worked in FC I would just suggest going back (though I do like you want to use debian) |
| 00:39.52 | azazello | it is backported |
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| 00:40.27 | somiaj | azazello: oh good, I thoguth I saw it there, but if that version from squeeze backports doesn't support your card, you are just out of luck on debian (unless you want to do lots of manual work) |
| 00:40.33 | azazello | Fedorca Core is the testing platform for we all know what and the level of its stability hugely insufficient even for a desktop machine |
| 00:41.04 | Ariii | mmnicolas: Hm.... I'll try that. Should KDE2 be good too? |
| 00:42.07 | mmnicolas | Ariii: KDE2 has been deprecated for a while, you mean KDE4, it could work fine but it's way heavier than your previous WMs & DEs |
| 00:42.21 | blackshirt | that was too old |
| 00:43.00 | bolt | use awesome wm and get some work done already :) |
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| 00:45.03 | Ariii | bolt: Oh my gosh, I can't believe I haven't thought of that :O! |
| 00:46.09 | azazello | somiaj, crossing fingers for it to build the module :) |
| 00:46.35 | azazello | dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64: fglrx (10-9)...failed |
| 00:46.51 | azazello | but then aptitude stumbled upon some unresolved dependencies... |
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| 00:47.59 | vipe_ | I was just able using rescue (parted) to recover my partition table (gpt), but when I quit and reboot? no partitions found?. any advice? |
| 00:48.26 | bolt | vipe_: repartition and restore from backup instead? |
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| 00:49.01 | azazello | somiaj, so what exactly is the issue with radeon driver? It get's inserted but for some reason it isn't loaded? |
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| 00:49.35 | vipe_ | bolt: recently lost a lot of backups on a nas appliance :-( |
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| 00:50.01 | vipe_ | running gpart, but it takes ages? (remote server) |
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| 00:50.18 | bolt | if you're scanning for partitions, that *will* take ages |
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| 00:51.31 | vipe_ | I know? :-( so, trying to figure out an other way? |
| 00:52.14 | vipe_ | I have the lenght of my partitions here (found with parted)? gpt label |
| 00:52.31 | vipe_ | use an msd label with the same lenght ? |
| 00:52.40 | vipe_ | s/msd/msdos/ |
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| 00:56.37 | azazello | somiaj, does it make sense to wait till abi is compatible with fglrx in testing? |
| 00:58.24 | sney | I thought the new fglrx driver was released last month |
| 00:59.44 | azazello | sney, However I can't install it on testing. Not compatible with abi |
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| 01:00.40 | vipe_ | bolt: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdb'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. |
| 01:00.43 | sney | it's supposed to be fixed in fglrx-driver/1:12-6+point-1 |
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| 01:01.21 | azazello | sney, and when is that coming out? |
| 01:01.34 | azazello | (in testing) |
| 01:01.37 | sney | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 01:01.38 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3; sid/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1; experimental/non-free: 1:12-6+point-1+exp1 |
| 01:01.51 | sney | ohh, it's still just in sid |
| 01:02.01 | vipe_ | bolt: /proc/mdstat shows me my raid devices ; lvs shows me my volumes (and all other lvm config) |
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| 01:02.43 | sney | azazello: you should be able to install it from sid without any issues. It probably hasn't hit testing yet because of the freeze |
| 01:02.47 | vipe_ | bolt: current partitiontable found: /dev/sdb1 1 266306 2147483647+ ee GPT |
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| 01:08.26 | sney | azazello: have you tried the sid driver? it doesn't look like fglrx-driver is going to make it into testing any time soon if at all. But the issue is fixed in the sid version and it will most likely work. |
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| 01:12.47 | azazello | sney, I'm on stable now; don't mind moving to testing. I certainly don't wanna mess with sid... |
| 01:12.58 | azazello | sney, is it possibly to install only one package from there? |
| 01:13.33 | sney | azazello: you can use many sid packages on a testing system |
| 01:13.41 | sney | but not stable. |
| 01:14.36 | azazello | sney, will that fglrx package from sid require installing all of the xorg's package from sid, too? |
| 01:15.26 | sney | azazello: no, it's compatible with testing xorg. Actually, right now, sid and testing have the same version of Xorg |
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| 01:16.37 | azazello | sney, so, i just add sid's repo to source.list and install fglrx? how about building the module? how likely is this procedure to fail? |
| 01:16.44 | HTT-Bird | if I want a bare-metal ARM GCC cross compiler on Debian, what package(s) should I install? |
| 01:17.05 | sney | azazello: again, you can only do it if you are running testing. it won't work for stable. |
| 01:17.25 | azazello | sney, I'm willing to move to testing |
| 01:17.41 | sney | azazello: but, you simply tell apt what you want as the default, and then add the sid repo to sources.list like you said |
| 01:17.44 | sney | !tum |
| 01:17.46 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution |
| 01:18.17 | sney | Default-Release in that case should match something you have in your sources.list, so if your sources.list has wheezy and sid it should be Default-Release "wheezy"; |
| 01:18.38 | sney | it's called a testing-unstable mix and it's a pretty common setup. I'm using it too |
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| 01:22.54 | ghormoon | Hi guys, I'm a linux noob ... I'm trying to install xorg on stable debian, but idk why, I don't have /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... I've found that Xorg -configure should create it, but it always segfaults ... is it possible that I forgot to install something it needs or what? I'm searching on the internet for more than hour and I'm still stuck :-/ |
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| 01:23.19 | HTT-Bird | ghormoon: Xorg should auto-configure itself |
| 01:23.25 | HTT-Bird | if your xorg.conf is misisng |
| 01:23.28 | HTT-Bird | *missing |
| 01:23.57 | ghormoon | both Xorg -configure and startx segfault ... |
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| 01:24.04 | sney | !empty xorg.conf |
| 01:24.04 | dpkg | Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg config squeeze>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>. |
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| 01:24.35 | dokma | ffmpeg -formats | grep 264 |
| 01:24.44 | HTT-Bird | dokma: ENOTTY |
| 01:24.52 | dokma | gives h264 and h264_vdpau |
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| 01:25.40 | dokma | but ffmpeg with -acodec h264 gives : Unknown encoder 'h264' |
| 01:26.09 | dokma | on Debian stable, ffmpeg compiled from source configure/make without any gimmicks |
| 01:26.20 | dokma | am I missing something simple |
| 01:26.42 | jelly-home | h264 being a _video_ codec |
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| 01:31.44 | ghormoon | maybe the problem is that i mess together keyboard-configure and xkeyboard-config ... anyway, apt can't find xkeyboard-config ... i have xkb-data, but not this config :-/ according to this http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/xkeyboard-config its made from that source ... :-/ |
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| 01:37.27 | somiaj | azazello: did you follow the instructions for squeeze-backports correct. The issue with the 'radeon' driver is it deson't reconize and/or support that card |
| 01:37.48 | somiaj | azazello: the issue with the fglrx non-free driver (which did support that card) is it is not compadable with the xorg in wheezy. |
| 01:38.01 | somiaj | azazello: though there may be a newer upstream release and in that acse just wait... |
| 01:41.20 | sney | somiaj: as I just told azazello, the fglrx-driver in sid is compatible with the xorg in both sid and wheezy. the abi issue was fixed. |
| 01:42.02 | somiaj | sney: oh it was, my last upgrade forced me to go back to the radeon driver and I just didn't care to see when it was fixed as all my 3d stuff is on my nvidia desktop |
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| 01:42.16 | somiaj | I know it didn't work in sid when I last upgraded |
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| 01:48.58 | ghormoon | damn xorg :( says that it can't invoke xkbcomp, but i actually have it in /usr/bin ... |
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| 01:51.40 | mhrivnak | Hello. I am looking for a reference on how dpkg-style repositories should be structured. Something like this, but not obsolete: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 01:51.50 | mhrivnak | Have any sources to suggest? |
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| 01:58.20 | cardamon | Having trouble here. Can't open firestarter. When I try it says: No protocol specified (firestarter:6273): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0 |
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| 02:01.47 | nycjv321 | how do I configure my system to use the intel driver formy video card? |
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| 02:03.27 | cardamon | nycjv321: http://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard#Intel |
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| 02:07.21 | azazello | somiaj, sney - thanks for your advice. Let me first upgrade to testing... |
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| 02:11.56 | eirich | how is it i can ping a secondary NIC (which is not plugged in) and am able to get a response? |
| 02:12.12 | eirich | the primary & secondary interfaces are not bonded. |
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| 02:15.56 | eirich | # brctl show |
| 02:15.57 | eirich | bridge namebridge idSTP enabledinterfaces |
| 02:16.08 | mhrivnak | eirich: what address did you ping? |
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| 02:16.43 | eirich | i pinged the address i assigned to the 2nd NIC, but i don't have it plugged in, so i expected it not to reply. |
| 02:16.45 | ghormoon | is it possible that fglrx doesn't support my card? (it is more than a year old) |
| 02:16.59 | ghormoon | *fglrx in stable |
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| 02:17.30 | eirich | when i ssh to it i even get into the server (though i know it's through the 1st NIC). |
| 02:18.11 | blackshirt | ghoormon, i don't know exactly... |
| 02:18.16 | mhrivnak | eirich: it would be interesting to see the output of "/sbin/ifconfig -a" |
| 02:18.52 | ghormoon | well I don't see it listed anywhere in this version, I'll try to find if its supported in newer |
| 02:19.22 | eirich | am i allowed to post that in here? |
| 02:19.31 | blackshirt | ghormoon, what your series graphic card? |
| 02:20.01 | mhrivnak | No. use something like pastebin. |
| 02:20.17 | eirich | ok, yeah. i thought so. let me set one up |
| 02:21.17 | ghormoon | HD 6470M |
| 02:22.07 | blackshirt | ghormoon, from ati ? |
| 02:22.11 | ghormoon | yep |
| 02:22.50 | blackshirt | ghormoon, have you tey propietary driver? |
| 02:23.25 | ghormoon | btw is it necessary to have working xorg when you want to pass it through ssh? maybe it would be faster to log on the x from another machine xD |
| 02:23.59 | ghormoon | yep, 10.9. (i'm trying to make xorg working for about 2.5 hours and i've found on the internet that it helped to some people) |
| 02:24.31 | eirich | mhrivnak: http://pastebin.com/SrPJyqs0 |
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| 02:27.46 | mhrivnak | eirich: looks to me like both interfaces are up. |
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| 02:28.14 | eirich | but that's the thing… they can't be. the 192…16 isn't plugged in. |
| 02:28.28 | eirich | it's only configured |
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| 02:29.09 | mhrivnak | Being plugged in and being up are different concepts. |
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| 02:29.50 | eirich | well yes, but even if it's "up", if it's not plugged in, it shouldn't reply to ping. |
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| 02:30.21 | eirich | also after running "ifdown eth1" ifconfig still shows that it's up. |
| 02:30.23 | mhrivnak | Are you pinging from the same machine, or a remote machine? |
| 02:30.50 | eirich | same machine. those IPs are only used on that machine and i'm not using hostnames. |
| 02:31.34 | ghormoon | I've found that in backports there should be 12.3. version, I've added them and apt doesn't want to update it, dunno why :-/ |
| 02:32.06 | blackshirt | specify with -t switch |
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| 02:32.36 | ghormoon | 0 upgraded |
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| 02:35.58 | eirich | it's a stumper, yeah? |
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| 02:40.37 | mhrivnak | eirich: just for curiosity, look in /proc/net/arp and see if that IP address has the HW address you expect. |
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| 02:40.56 | ghormoon | finally, working :) |
| 02:41.06 | mhrivnak | Or is more likely not listed at all. |
| 02:41.37 | eirich | neither IPs for this machine are listed. |
| 02:42.12 | ghormoon | thanks black :) now I have to remember why I've needed the xorg 3 hours ago xD |
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| 02:45.57 | mhrivnak | eirich: I wonder if this is a quirk of having them on the same subnet. |
| 02:47.01 | eirich | i wouldn't think so as then i wouldn't have the ability to bond them if desired. |
| 02:47.33 | eirich | but who knows. if it's a quirk... |
| 02:48.07 | mhrivnak | Well, I assume that when eth1 is down, the route to that subnet is through eth0 |
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| 02:49.11 | mhrivnak | And maybe when the packets hit eth0, the kernel is still accepting them even though their physical device isn't involved? |
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| 02:49.57 | eirich | i just commented out the eth1 block in the interfaces file and verified it now doesn't show in ifconfig, but i can still ping the *16 address. |
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| 02:50.36 | joules | hi, i borked, /etc/X11 ..i've reinstalled all the packages ( i think) now what the best way to set the default configuration? /etc/X11/xorg.conf is still missing , thanks. |
| 02:51.29 | mhrivnak | eirich: would be interesting to run tcpdump on eth0 and ping the .16 address to see if those packets are hitting it. |
| 02:52.35 | somiaj | joules: mondern day xorg works with a blank config and tries to autodetect all your hardware |
| 02:53.05 | somiaj | joules: you should only need an xorg.conf if you have special needs or hardware xorg cannot detect (also using non-free drivers require an xorg.conf snippit) |
| 02:53.15 | joules | I thought it used a standard template...anyhow. |
| 02:53.16 | somiaj | joules: make sure you don't have any files sitting around in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ as well |
| 02:53.28 | joules | xorg.conf.d doesn't exist. |
| 02:53.29 | somiaj | nope, just a blank xorg.conf file and things are autodeteted |
| 02:53.41 | somiaj | yea by default neteither of those exist, they only do if you whish to make them yourself |
| 02:54.00 | joules | ahh i need debconf... |
| 02:54.41 | joules | there is no xorg.conf at all. |
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| 02:55.03 | somiaj | and that is the correct way for it to be |
| 02:55.11 | somiaj | xorg does not rquire a conf file |
| 02:55.13 | joules | theres usually a standard xorg.conf "This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database." |
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| 02:55.36 | somiaj | joules: no there isn't (there use to be) but squeeze onward a blank or no xorg.conf file is what most people use |
| 02:55.47 | joules | ok cool |
| 02:55.50 | eirich | mhrivnak: tcpdump -i eth0 shows traffic coming from another machine i'm pinging it from. |
| 02:55.58 | somiaj | there are cases y ou need to create one, but they are rare and lots of times you only need to create a part of it, hence /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d to create a small part |
| 02:56.01 | eirich | from that machine, i'm pinging the *16 address. |
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| 02:57.04 | ghormoon | damn, the xorg worked ofr a while, but when I restarted the system, it stopped :-/ |
| 02:57.33 | ghormoon | segfault on first attepmpt to run it, black screen on second ... |
| 02:58.04 | somiaj | segfault...that sounds like you are running a strange mix of packages. |
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| 02:58.07 | joules | what about the /etc/X11/X symlink -> /usr/bin/xorg? |
| 02:58.19 | somiaj | black screen - go read /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:58.34 | somiaj | joules: correct |
| 02:59.01 | joules | i --reinstalled the packages that that /etc/X11 in the path, but I don't think /etc/X11 is fully set up.. |
| 02:59.04 | fleeky | did a reboot, running debian wheezy kernel 3.2.0-3 running mate window manager , all of a sudden sound isnt working, sound card being used is a dummy output? |
| 02:59.17 | fleeky | how do i check / reconfigure the sound to properly use the soundcard again ? |
| 02:59.26 | eirich | another thing, if i unplug the NIC using *15, then plug in the NIC using *16, i can no longer ping either address. |
| 02:59.30 | fleeky | lspci shows the sound card |
| 02:59.30 | somiaj | joules: what do you mean? What isn't working. though look up this factoid /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:59.47 | joules | what? |
| 02:59.52 | somiaj | !tell fleeky about alsa-checklist |
| 02:59.55 | somiaj | joules: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:59.58 | joules | somiaj: i'm comparing to what exists on another system. |
| 03:00.01 | Schrodinger`Cat | meow |
| 03:00.03 | somiaj | if they are really conf files they won't be reinstalled unless you ask. |
| 03:00.03 | Schrodinger`Cat | !meow |
| 03:00.03 | dpkg | breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow... |
| 03:00.21 | fleeky | thanks somiaj |
| 03:00.30 | joules | what sets up /etc/X11 ? what do i need to dpkg-reconfigure X ? |
| 03:00.38 | somiaj | joules: is the system the same debian version or another distro. |
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| 03:01.29 | somiaj | joules: read the factoid I told you to. |
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| 03:02.18 | joules | read it |
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| 03:02.38 | somiaj | it tells you how to explicity tell apt to regenrate configfiles if you thik they are missing. |
| 03:02.39 | Schrodinger`Cat | [17~!meow |
| 03:02.43 | Schrodinger`Cat | !meow |
| 03:02.44 | dpkg | breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow... |
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| 03:02.55 | Schrodinger`Cat | sorry |
| 03:03.36 | mhrivnak | eirich: there is definitely something non-standard going on with your setup. |
| 03:03.58 | eirich | agreed. i've never seen this behavior before. |
| 03:04.38 | nycjv321 | htop |
| 03:04.44 | eirich | but at least you've confirmed i'm checking the right things. |
| 03:04.45 | nycjv321 | lol wrong screen |
| 03:06.55 | mhrivnak | eirich: it would be fun to confirm the madness by doing "sudo arping -I eth0 192.168.1.16" from the remote machine, and see that it does indeed return the HW address of eth0. Obviously do this with the cable plugged into eth0. |
| 03:07.14 | mhrivnak | I'm also assuming you're using eth0 on the remote machine, so adjust the arping line as needed. |
| 03:09.35 | joules | somiaj: all fix, thanks man ;) |
| 03:09.46 | SiDz | in debian wheezy, when doing lsb_release -a, from where did it get information? as i have no /etc/lsb-release |
| 03:10.08 | joules | the other system is debian cuz debian is teh awesome |
| 03:10.30 | somiaj | SiDz: lsb_release looks at varous things, including kernel version, versions of libc6 and other standard libs though not sure the exact thigns it looks at |
| 03:11.04 | SiDz | but when i create a file /etc/lsb-release |
| 03:11.09 | SiDz | it will give me info from that file |
| 03:11.18 | SiDz | and not the last information it was giving before i create the file |
| 03:11.22 | somiaj | SiDz: http://linux.die.net/man/1/lsb_release |
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| 03:12.46 | eirich | mhrivak: that doesn't seem to work. i get "arping: Unable to get the IPv4 address of interface eth0:" |
| 03:12.49 | somiaj | hmm, I thought lsb_release looked at compoents of the system not just the contents of a textflie |
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| 03:13.52 | azazello | sney, hey!!! Your proposed method worked! I took fglrx from sid |
| 03:14.15 | SiDz | well if i create the file it will look at that file, if i don't, i dont know where it look |
| 03:14.52 | nsadmin | azazello, curious, what debian release are you running? |
| 03:15.17 | ghormoon | somiaj: what should i see in the log? I've found few warnings, googled them, and tried to add nomodeset into grub, but still the same problem |
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| 03:16.28 | fleeky | !tell alsa |
| 03:16.35 | eirich | q |
| 03:16.49 | azazello | azazello, testing |
| 03:16.55 | nsadmin | fleeky, having problems with alsa? |
| 03:16.57 | fleeky | yeah |
| 03:17.08 | nsadmin | azazello, thanks |
| 03:17.08 | azazello | nsadmin, ^^ |
| 03:17.11 | fleeky | somehow pulseaudio is set to a dummy device |
| 03:17.14 | fleeky | no options to select anything else |
| 03:17.19 | fleeky | lspci shows the card |
| 03:17.28 | nsadmin | ok |
| 03:17.47 | nsadmin | fleeky, well, here's some info you could start with |
| 03:17.54 | nsadmin | !alsa checklist |
| 03:17.54 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 03:18.50 | nsadmin | also, there is an alsa-info.sh that pastebins a lot of info about your system |
| 03:19.35 | fleeky | hmm dont have that |
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| 03:20.47 | ghormoon | giving up ... it's almost sunrise and i need working laptop through the day, donna install windows back :-/ |
| 03:21.04 | fleeky | im not sure but i dont see anything loaded audio wise in lsmod |
| 03:21.20 | jeep | ghormoon: dual boot! |
| 03:21.24 | eirich | ok. by just running "arping 192.168.1.16" (2nd NIC) i get a reply from MAC of the 1st NIC. |
| 03:21.25 | nsadmin | fleeky, http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-driver.git;a=blob_plain;f=utils/alsa-info.sh |
| 03:21.44 | nsadmin | there's the info script |
| 03:22.15 | ghormoon | it slows down too much, I'll use virtualbox for debian like always, it works there flawlesly, just takes too much battery :-/ |
| 03:22.32 | nsadmin | fleeky, that could be your problem... |
| 03:22.42 | nsadmin | see if /proc/asound exists and is a dir |
| 03:23.06 | fleeky | yeah theres no asound |
| 03:23.08 | ghormoon | (well, what i'm trying to do would eat much more battery, but that's another story) :D |
| 03:23.15 | fleeky | and it seems theres no modules installed |
| 03:23.23 | fleeky | i wonder how they all got uninstalled hmr |
| 03:23.26 | somiaj | ghormoon: first what version of debian are you running? (have you tried to included any onoffical sources or mixed versions in your sources.list) |
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| 03:23.34 | nsadmin | fleeky, so it seems you've found the problem, drivers not inserted |
| 03:23.46 | ghormoon | stable + backport |
| 03:24.09 | somiaj | ghormoon: second what video card are you using and what drivers are you trying to use for it. |
| 03:24.24 | fleeky | nsadmin, i see how should i go about inserting them ? |
| 03:24.27 | somiaj | ghormoon: also if you paste your Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net people will look at it for you to help you determine what is important |
| 03:25.04 | XfcGNOMe | http://paste.debian.net/plain/188937 |
| 03:25.07 | ghormoon | ati HD 6470M with fglrx (version 12.3.1 from backport) |
| 03:25.24 | nsadmin | fleeky, -maybe- the stuff isn't installed... ls /etc/init.d/*alsa* | wc -l |
| 03:25.28 | fleeky | silly question could vbox have screwed up the driver install? |
| 03:25.36 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 03:25.41 | somiaj | ghormoon: did you create an xorg.conf file to tell your system to use fglrx, you should provide us with a copy of your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log in that case |
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| 03:26.15 | fleeky | funny enough there is only alsa-utils in init.d |
| 03:26.23 | ghormoon | only default through aticonf ... i'll dowloand it on usb flash and post it somewhere |
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| 03:27.43 | nsadmin | , v alsa-base |
| 03:27.44 | judd | Package: alsa-base on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.17.dfsg-4; squeeze: 1.0.23+dfsg-2; sid: 1.0.23+dfsg-4; sid: 1.0.25+2+nmu2; wheezy: 1.0.25+2+nmu2 |
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| 03:28.00 | nsadmin | fleeky, try installing alsa-base |
| 03:28.04 | fleeky | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/Tiy2mqsw |
| 03:28.05 | fleeky | k |
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| 03:28.54 | fleeky | should i restart x at that point ? |
| 03:28.59 | nsadmin | no |
| 03:29.14 | nsadmin | was it already installed? |
| 03:29.18 | fleeky | nope |
| 03:29.35 | nsadmin | ok, lsmod | grep ^snd |
| 03:29.37 | fleeky | this is quite odd |
| 03:29.58 | fleeky | nothing happend |
| 03:30.24 | nsadmin | ok... look again in /etc/init.d/*alsa* |
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| 03:31.13 | nsadmin | anything new there? |
| 03:31.14 | azazello | ok, i was to quick to say that everything was okay with the new fglrx driver from sid on my testing release. The monitor loses signal after 20 minutes of stable work. |
| 03:31.20 | fleeky | nope |
| 03:31.25 | azazello | It didn't happen on radeon of vesa |
| 03:31.31 | fleeky | just alsa-utils |
| 03:31.52 | azazello | and i'm pretty sure it's not caused by poor power supply or a connector problem |
| 03:32.49 | somiaj | azazello: do you have another monintor you can test |
| 03:32.59 | somiaj | azazello: it sounds like something in your monintor is overheating |
| 03:33.28 | somiaj | azazello: also radeon of vesa makes no sense, radeon and vesa are two vastly different drivers |
| 03:34.45 | bullgard4 | The title bar of an UXTerm window shows to the right as an additional symbol an up arrow. What is its function? |
| 03:35.02 | nsadmin | fleeky, hmm, that's all I got too and I have working sound |
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| 03:35.11 | ghormoon | somiaj: stable debian, kernel 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/5tCNs20A segfault log: http://pastebin.com/Fqgj0Av1 black screen log: http://pastebin.com/DJvq7yws |
| 03:36.01 | nsadmin | try: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop ; /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start |
| 03:36.14 | fleeky | doing that it says done (none loaded) |
| 03:36.22 | fleeky | so theres just nothing for it to do basically |
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| 03:37.06 | nsadmin | and still no /proc/asound? |
| 03:37.30 | fleeky | yep no asound |
| 03:37.36 | nsadmin | maybe the existing config thinks there are no cards and you need to reconfigure |
| 03:37.44 | fleeky | possibly |
| 03:38.05 | fleeky | is there a alsa-autoconfigure command |
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| 03:39.42 | milo64 | hello,,,, someone help me... i accidently run this virus on my debian, it always trigger a kernel panic each time i start my computer. |
| 03:39.46 | somiaj | ghormoon: have you tried to install testing or unstable xserver on stable? |
| 03:40.03 | somiaj | ghormoon: you told me you are running stable + backports, and the xserver you are running is not the version from squeezebackports |
| 03:40.30 | milo64 | what to do... |
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| 03:40.58 | ghormoon | only thing from backports is fglrx, everything else from squeeze |
| 03:41.07 | somiaj | what does apt-cache policy xserver-xorg tell you ghormoon |
| 03:41.25 | jeep | milo64: you sure it was a virus ? |
| 03:41.31 | somiaj | the logs you link say you are using 1.7.7 compiled on a linux 3.0 kernel -- most likely not stable xorg |
| 03:41.52 | somiaj | ghormoon: put the output of apt-cache policy xserver-xorg on paste.debian.net |
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| 03:42.02 | milo64 | yes, i got it from, random.freeoda.com jeep |
| 03:42.21 | milo64 | jeep: i was curious what it was and try it |
| 03:42.23 | milo64 | :( |
| 03:42.33 | ghormoon | xserver-xorg: Installed: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1 Candidate: 1:7.5+8+squeeze1 |
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| 03:44.17 | somiaj | hmm, guess I'm not good at translating versions from what it says in the log file. |
| 03:44.22 | ghormoon | http://paste.debian.net/188939/ |
| 03:44.28 | somiaj | it could be you also need the backported xorg server to go with the newer drivers |
| 03:44.51 | ghormoon | I'll try |
| 03:44.57 | somiaj | your xorg.conf is also a bit much, you can delete everything except the Device section and let it auto detect monintors and resolutions. |
| 03:45.27 | ghormoon | strange that it worked ... once :D |
| 03:45.57 | ghormoon | btw new xorg requires newer kernel ... |
| 03:46.29 | somiaj | you can get that form squeeze-backports as well |
| 03:47.15 | somiaj | usually i suggest people grab all three for newer hardware. The segfault gets me, but I really don't see what is going on. I'm blaming the fglrx driver, but think it will work better with newer kernel/xorg from backports |
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| 03:51.58 | ghormoon | 3.2.0.0 is ok? |
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| 03:53.54 | fleeky | thats funny |
| 03:54.11 | fleeky | uninstalling virtualbox 4.1.22 or whatever the latest version was fixed my sound problem ? |
| 03:54.20 | somiaj | ghormoon: correct |
| 03:54.43 | fleeky | although now installing 4.1.18 from apt-get gives a broken virtualbox |
| 03:54.51 | fleeky | complaining about no vboxdrv stuff |
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| 03:58.42 | fleeky | even more funny , reinstalling the same 4.1.22 deb from virtual box site |
| 03:58.48 | fleeky | now sound and virtualbox work |
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| 03:58.55 | fleeky | i wonder if rebooting would break everything ;) |
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| 04:02.07 | ghormoon | btw is any way to hide lines from grub without removing the kernels? I've managed to duplicate some before and now it duplicated all of them with new kernel, so i have at least 15 lines, maybe more :D |
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| 04:06.34 | ghormoon | well, now it doesnt segfault but I get different errors :D http://paste.debian.net/188940/ |
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| 04:09.47 | somiaj | ghormoon: care to try a test for me with a non xen kernel? Maybe those patches are messing with things. |
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| 04:10.47 | somiaj | though the errors say something is wrong with your video card BIOS |
| 04:11.11 | ghormoon | ok ... btw, how X11 passthrough (on SSH) works, do I need working drivers on the "host"? |
| 04:11.39 | somiaj | no the drivers are just required for the the client running on the host |
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| 04:12.23 | ghormoon | maybe i can just manage it through ssh and give up :D |
| 04:12.34 | cardamon | Well, I just decided install kde, then promptly decided I hated it and am now jettisoning the whole thing. |
| 04:12.57 | ghormoon | i've just started trying to install xorg about 4 hours ago because of virt-manager :D |
| 04:13.02 | cardamon | Trying to figure out how to step through the tasks for it. |
| 04:13.30 | somiaj | ghormoon: well looking up your issues it has to deal with the xen as a dom0 kernel. Seems there are some patches to get it working but not sure if you have to compile your own kernel or not |
| 04:14.10 | bullgard4 | The title bar of an UXTerm window shows to the right as an additional symbol an up arrow. What is its function? |
| 04:14.13 | ghormoon | well on nonxen it started |
| 04:15.24 | ghormoon | anyway, if it would be possible to log on it though putty and xming then it would be enough |
| 04:15.44 | ghormoon | I just need to set up two guests (win7+debian sid) |
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| 04:16.45 | somiaj | finding various info about your problem now ghormoon, its something with xen patches. |
| 04:17.17 | somiaj | searching the error "fglrx(0): V_BIOS address out of range" in google gave me otehr people with your situation. Some suggest you disable your onboard video card others suggest you modify the kernel with some other patches. |
| 04:18.07 | somiaj | bullgard4: click it, see what happens. (: |
| 04:18.30 | ghormoon | onboard card is disabled by default (not even possible to turn on in bios) ... it sucks, because if it was possible to turn on, i would use one gpu for win and one for debians |
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| 04:22.30 | bullgard4 | somiaj: I did before I posted here. I cannot see a sense in it. Therefore I was asking here. What is the use of such a function? |
| 04:23.15 | somiaj | not sure, trying to think of what it does, usually windows do not put things in the titlebar, that is the job of the wm |
| 04:24.22 | bullgard4 | somiaj: Do you suggest to ask the same question in #xfce? |
| 04:24.45 | somiaj | is that your DE/WM -- yea they might better know what their buttons do. |
| 04:25.04 | somiaj | unless that term is drawing its own title bar (most applications don't) the buttons are put there by the window manager |
| 04:27.04 | ghormoon | btw have you ever trid to log on ssh x11 from windows putty? |
| 04:27.08 | ghormoon | *tried |
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| 04:28.09 | somiaj | I don't use windows so no I haven't. (: |
| 04:30.33 | bullgard4 | somiaj: Thank you very much for your help. |
| 04:31.02 | ghormoon | ah, just found out that i have to run xming separately (even though i provided putty with it's binary) |
| 04:32.43 | ghormoon | and it works also with the xen kernel (slow like hell, but at least it works) |
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| 04:33.55 | somiaj | ghormoon: you may want to consider switching to kvm |
| 04:34.06 | somiaj | ghormoon: espically if you have a newer processor that can do the virtualiztion for you. |
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| 04:35.32 | mangoboy8 | http://bitchinbeach.com/Forum/index.php?tid=16&title=She_Takes_a_Wild_Double_Anal |
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| 04:37.44 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey whats a decent terminal? terminator is being annoying with the themes and backgrounds .. |
| 04:39.37 | ghormoon | I've never tried a kvm, maybe i'll set it on the second debian where the perpformance matters, on the dom0 it is only one time setup and maybe some edits once in a long time ... |
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| 04:42.06 | nerdbromancer | eryn_1983_FL: I like lx_terminal |
| 04:42.34 | somiaj | ghormoon: kvm is just another virtulization envoriment that is included in the linux kernel and doens't need additional patches. It would be used in place of dom0 |
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| 04:42.55 | somiaj | ghormoon: I'm trying to set it up here but got a snag, I ahve to turn it on in my bios and didn't want to reboot (that was about 2 weeks ago) |
| 04:43.48 | ghormoon | ah, i thought you mean keyborad-video-mouse, it's stupis that it has same acronymes :D |
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| 04:44.47 | ghormoon | but anyway, at least what i've found on the net, except taht it would be problem to set up sleep mode, xen will be better for my situation, expecially because of low overhead and gpu passthorugh (main reason to keep windows are games + Trillian ...) |
| 04:45.22 | palma | a |
| 04:46.53 | somiaj | also afiak xen has been removed from debian and you won't find support for it in wheezy. kvm is supose to have the same low overhead if you have a processor with virtulization hardware and are virturilzing the same arch. |
| 04:47.18 | somiaj | ghormoon: just a suggestion since you want to run fglrx and are having a conflict with the dom0 kernel. |
| 04:48.06 | ghormoon | i don't really need the fglrx, I've been just trying to manage the virt-manager anyhow, now I'm logged through putty so maybe if i remove fglrx it would still work |
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| 04:48.09 | somiaj | but you are knees deep in xen so you can stick there. (: |
| 04:49.07 | somiaj | anways I should reboot and play aroudn with kvm while it is on my mind |
| 04:49.10 | ghormoon | maybe i'll have a look on kvm sometimes, but i've found quite a lot tutorials for xen so i think i've got at least some chance to make it running in less than a month xD |
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| 05:21.39 | MrHatter | I know this is #debian and I love you all, I would just like to ask quietly if any of you have to support M$ servers and if you know of an irc channel similar to this for assistance ? |
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| 05:25.25 | jeep | MrHatter: is there a #windows on freenode ? |
| 05:25.28 | jagginess | MrHatter, what time is it? |
| 05:25.38 | MrHatter | 15:25pm |
| 05:25.45 | jagginess | MrHatter, timezone. |
| 05:25.57 | jagginess | MrHatter is a kid. He has no idea of his locales. |
| 05:26.14 | MrHatter | I must be ! |
| 05:26.17 | jagginess | MrHatter, it's bedtime kid. |
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| 05:26.27 | MrHatter | afternoon nap sounds good. |
| 05:26.30 | jagginess | time for your afternoon nap. |
| 05:26.34 | jagginess | good now go. |
| 05:27.09 | MrHatter | you are not being very nice jagginess. |
| 05:27.13 | ph1rmw4r3 | lol |
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| 05:28.13 | MrHatter | jeep, yes indeed, I am liking this idea :) |
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| 06:09.07 | Younos | mornin |
| 06:09.49 | grothendieck | good morning Younos |
| 06:10.36 | Younos | i'm installing debian on a real old machine, didnt dare to install x11 yet |
| 06:10.45 | Younos | it will probably need the old x11 packages |
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| 06:11.46 | somiaj | Younos: what do you consider really old? |
| 06:12.04 | grothendieck | like 105 that is pretty old! |
| 06:12.18 | somiaj | don't know any machines that old |
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| 06:14.17 | grothendieck | I read somewhere that in the soviet union some crazy physicists built a machine out of a complex system of tubes and pumps to do calculations by moving around volumes of water |
| 06:14.58 | Younos | yea i've read that too grothendieck, but its only simple logical operations, i dont know if they actually do 'calculations' yet |
| 06:15.08 | grothendieck | right |
| 06:15.11 | grothendieck | not turing complete anyway |
| 06:15.34 | grothendieck | also still not 100 years old |
| 06:15.45 | grothendieck | I think that was in the 1920s or 30s |
| 06:16.05 | somiaj | my guess is debian won't run on it |
| 06:16.39 | Younos | its got 256mb memory, 10gb disk, but its booting from disk and seems ok, networking is up aswell :) |
| 06:17.38 | jeep | what cpu is that a p2 or p3 ? |
| 06:17.40 | somiaj | 10gb disk is more than enough, memory is slighty low, but at 256 should be fine, just use a light weight wm. |
| 06:18.01 | somiaj | though easiest way to increase preformance on tha tmachine will be double its memory if you can find any memory that old |
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| 06:19.42 | Younos | all i would need it to do is run twm or icewm or something simple |
| 06:19.54 | Younos | it's a p3 |
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| 06:20.36 | jeep | Younos: fluxbox ! |
| 06:20.40 | grothendieck | debian should run |
| 06:20.56 | grothendieck | I've run it on an old IBM laptop with a P3 and similar specs |
| 06:21.27 | grothendieck | it ran well enough to recover files with photorec |
| 06:21.36 | grothendieck | no X or anything though |
| 06:21.36 | Younos | its running fine actually, ping6 etc |
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| 06:26.42 | somiaj | there shouldn't be any issue, I think if you had something pre pentium 1, squeeze may have issues with that old of hardware, but 586 and beyond should work. |
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| 06:27.33 | jeep | 99% on my iso download |
| 06:28.06 | Younos | the only issue i had was that the first installer screen of the boot cd produced graphics garble, i had to reboot several times until i figured out to go to 'help' and start installing from there |
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| 06:31.37 | Younos | thats the sceen that allows you to choose between 'install' and 'graphical install' basically |
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| 06:33.52 | gabesubdo | argh, my little server is getting memory corruption again :( |
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| 06:43.31 | jeep | hi wilee-nilee |
| 06:43.56 | wilee-nilee | hi |
| 06:44.07 | jeep | gabesubdo: that sounds broken did you run run memtest ? |
| 06:44.25 | gabesubdo | jeep: yep, irritatingly. it hasn't found anything |
| 06:44.54 | gabesubdo | I upgraded to wheezy and 3.2 at the same time as a hardware upgrade, and I've been getting occasional problems since then |
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| 06:47.46 | jeep | gabesubdo: syslog throwing errors ? |
| 06:47.52 | gabesubdo | nope |
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| 06:48.18 | jeep | gabesubdo: what kind of problems is it |
| 06:48.26 | gabesubdo | I believe it has something to do with file caching in RAM |
| 06:48.34 | gabesubdo | I can md5 the same file 3 times and get 3 different checksums |
| 06:49.00 | gabesubdo | (using big ISOs that haven't changed in years) |
| 06:49.21 | nsadmin | gabesubdo, if you upgraded both at once, it's going to be hard to determine which is at fault... but, the memtest not finding anything would suggest the core hardware is good |
| 06:49.40 | gabesubdo | nsadmin: well, I did drop back to 2.6 for a little while and eventually encountered the same issue |
| 06:49.41 | k-man | any idea of any ascii animations one can install in debian other than sl? |
| 06:49.49 | jeep | gabesubdo: are you running a hardened kernel pax/grsecurity ? |
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| 06:50.04 | gabesubdo | jeep: just the standard wheezy kernel |
| 06:50.31 | gabesubdo | the problem does take a while to show up for whatever reason, so I'm going to run memtest for a while |
| 06:50.47 | gabesubdo | (previously I only let it do a few passes over a few hours) |
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| 06:51.01 | nsadmin | gabesubdo, could you describe "eventually" in more detail? |
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| 06:51.33 | gabesubdo | this problem never shows up right after boot. sometimes it takes a few hours, sometimes a few days |
| 06:51.52 | gabesubdo | damn, that reminds me, I forgot to force drop_caches when it was doing it |
| 06:51.55 | nsadmin | is this a remote? |
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| 06:52.09 | gabesubdo | remote? |
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| 06:52.33 | jeep | there is the kernel debug modes might be worth enabling |
| 06:52.42 | nsadmin | like a server located anywhere from 100 - several thousand miles away from you |
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| 06:53.08 | gabesubdo | ah, nsadmin. no, it's right next to me. usually operates headless but I have a keyboard and display hooked up lately. |
| 06:53.20 | gabesubdo | it's mostly a file server |
| 06:53.26 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 06:53.57 | gabesubdo | for a while I thought it was an overheating issue, since it was quite warm and turning up the fan speed seemed to solve it... until tonight. |
| 06:54.03 | nsadmin | two things that it's starting to look like, is out of memory, and heat issues |
| 06:54.06 | gabesubdo | where "a while" = 2-3 days |
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| 06:54.45 | nsadmin | do you watch your heat sensors? |
| 06:54.58 | gabesubdo | somewhat, I've never seen anything interesting come up |
| 06:55.22 | gabesubdo | as for out of memory, it has 4GB and `free -m` usually shows about 100-150MB in actual use, and the rest is buffers and caches |
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| 06:55.53 | nsadmin | gabesubdo, and nothing's in swap? |
| 06:56.01 | bullgard4 | somiaj: Yes, it does. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
| 06:56.33 | gabesubdo | nsadmin: I don't remember exactly but never more than a few megs |
| 06:56.54 | gabesubdo | I want to say swap usage was always 0 but I'm not sure |
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| 06:58.30 | nsadmin | how much swap? |
| 06:58.33 | jeep | ok drumrool md5sum is running |
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| 06:59.27 | cardamon | Anyone have any luck troubleshooting visual tearing with an nvidia card? I've tried nouveau with GLXVBlank true, and I've tried nvidia with nvidia-settings setting vblank. I get decent but not great performance out of mplayer and vdpau, and tearing in any videos embedded in flash OR html5. VM's videos tear a bit too. |
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| 07:00.17 | gabesubdo | nsadmin: I think somewhere around 4GB |
| 07:00.26 | jeep | wow the md5sum checks 4 days of chopped up downloading is completed successfully |
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| 07:01.11 | k-man | jeep, what wre you downloading? |
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| 07:01.24 | jeep | install dvd |
| 07:01.24 | nsadmin | gabesubdo, so approx the same amount of swap as ram |
| 07:01.39 | gabesubdo | yeah, roughly |
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| 07:02.14 | jeep | k-man: im on hotel net connection disconnects every 5 hours and throttles bandwidth depending on how many connections |
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| 07:03.54 | k-man | jeep, ah sounds horrid |
| 07:04.11 | k-man | i hate how they advertise "internet" but its really _crap_ internet |
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| 07:46.27 | Assid | hi |
| 07:46.48 | Assid | is openvz a supported package in debian? if so.. how come ubuntu doesnt carry it ? |
| 07:48.26 | elsifaka | Assid: openvz is deprecated |
| 07:48.37 | elsifaka | Assid: lxc is the future |
| 07:48.41 | Assid | lxc ? |
| 07:48.55 | elsifaka | Assid: linux container |
| 07:49.20 | Assid | any kernel mod required ? |
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| 07:50.08 | kwork | its already in kernel :) |
| 07:50.17 | Assid | elsifaka: and openvpn etc work fine in it ? |
| 07:51.27 | efaistos | linux container is like the zoning on Solaris ? |
| 07:51.44 | Assid | any suggested guides to get up and running |
| 07:52.26 | Assid | i am currently using bonding ... so do i just bridge my bond interface? |
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| 07:55.16 | nsadmin | Assid, anything about ubuntu, is better asked on their mailing lists or maybe their irc channel... there's no claim that anyone here knows much of anything about them or their dist |
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| 08:46.04 | Iridos | it's all so quiet |
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| 08:49.12 | ChrisH | waiting for [===================>.] resync = 97.5% (1809275968/1855661818) finish=12.7min speed=60642K/sec |
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| 08:49.34 | ChrisH | to finish... and ask question aftwerwards... like why does my system no longer boot? |
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| 08:55.43 | bullgard4 | '~$ alsamixer; ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused. Error when opening the mixer device: Connection refused.' How to open alsamixer? |
| 08:59.27 | fmerges | hello, is there a problem with ntp on squeeze? what happens to me is that the daemon simply dies after some time, might be a couple of days or so. Any idea? |
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| 08:59.57 | ChrisH | time delta > 1000sec? |
| 09:00.16 | fmerges | ChrisH: yup |
| 09:00.35 | fmerges | ChrisH: today I had 1 hour |
| 09:01.18 | fmerges | ChrisH: well not exactly 1 hour.. ;-) so it's not a timezone issue |
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| 09:01.43 | ChrisH | fmerges: thats the way it is... the algorith does not converg if the time delta is > 1000sec.. can you pastebin your ntp.conf? |
| 09:01.46 | bullgard4 | fmerges: You should have a look in /varlog/syslog. |
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| 09:08.10 | bullgard4 | /usr/bin/alsamixer does exist. |
| 09:08.46 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 09:09.04 | Harzilein | can i set Acquire::Languages in a way to completely suppress downloading translations? |
| 09:09.34 | Assid | hi.. i need help setting up a bridge |
| 09:09.55 | Assid | i have a bond.. and i want the bond to be part of the bridge |
| 09:10.13 | Harzilein | (i am also asking this on ircnet #debian.de) |
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| 09:18.46 | ChrisH | fmerges: did you pastebin anything? I did not see any url |
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| 09:19.47 | llimeht_ | Harzilein: sure. apt.conf(5) tells you how. |
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| 09:22.31 | llimeht | Harzilein: (btw, are you sure you don't want the package descriptions in English?) |
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| 09:24.19 | Harzilein | ellimeht: i want the download of translations not to fail with my hoster's debian mirror, i don't really care if i can't "explore" packages on that server, i can do that on my workstation |
| 09:24.41 | Harzilein | s/debian mirror/(apparently broken) &/ |
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| 09:25.27 | private_morozov | hi there |
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| 09:28.03 | fmerges | ChrisH: ouh, I just found out one thing that was wrong and it was due to sharing files via puppet; the drift path was wrong |
| 09:28.34 | fmerges | ChrisH: but anyhow, before even having puppet in place, the ntp service in this version of debian already gave me problems, one sec i paste the config |
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| 09:29.00 | private_morozov | is anybody used usb network card DLINK E100? I see it in lsusb, all required modules are loaded (asix, usbnet) but I don't see information about an adapter in dmesg or ifconfig -a |
| 09:29.12 | private_morozov | core version is 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 09:29.36 | private_morozov | would you be kind enough to give an advice? |
| 09:30.13 | fmerges | ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/hAPJUgkT |
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| 09:35.07 | shadok | fmerges: your ntp server seems to be down too |
| 09:35.19 | shadok | fmerges: http://pastebin.com/tGKBX2KS |
| 09:35.45 | shadok | fmerges: use pool.ntp.org |
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| 09:37.00 | ChrisH | fmerges: Do you have the chance to setup an internal NTP to refer to? Relaying only onto one external server is nothing I would setup |
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| 09:45.15 | ChrisH | fmerges: 2 suggestions 1. add more external servers 2. add localhost for fallback: an idea might to consider: http://pastebin.com/Tvy6pPFM |
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| 09:55.08 | bullgard4 | '~$ alsamixer; ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused. Error when opening the mixer device: Connection refused.' How to open alsamixer? |
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| 09:57.45 | fmerges | shadok: only available internally... |
| 09:58.32 | shadok | fmerges: ok, sorry |
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| 09:59.17 | fmerges | ChrisH: ok, ill add also more servers, but what is really the reason for the service to simply die.. |
| 09:59.28 | fmerges | ChrisH: i can understand to be off, but the process to die..? |
| 10:00.22 | fmerges | with adding servers.. it's a bit complicated, some hosts doesn't have access to the outside |
| 10:00.28 | ChrisH | fmerges: if (timedelta > 1000 sec) { exit } somehow like thats is coded in ntp... can you pastebin ntpq -p or ntpq -pn output if first hangs? |
| 10:01.29 | fmerges | ChrisH: you mean the way i have it right now, or by adding the config you pasted? |
| 10:01.51 | ChrisH | fmerges: ntpq -p preferred in the current setup |
| 10:03.05 | fmerges | ChrisH: *vargas.mercator 161.72.58.1 3 u 109 128 377 0.206 0.845 0.107 |
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| 10:04.20 | ChrisH | fmerges: that looks OK for reach, offset and jitter. |
| 10:04.50 | ChrisH | fmerges: my pastebin is from my "standard" setup... some external + local clock as fallback |
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| 10:20.58 | fmerges | ChrisH: when I do man ntp.conf I don't see this fudge option.. |
| 10:21.47 | bullgard4 | In order to obtain a longer scroll back length I can do '~$ uxterm -sl 10000'. Is there a better (moresimple) solution to invoke uxterm always with 10000 scroll back lines? |
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| 10:23.13 | bolt | bullgard4: probably. check the manual for a corresponding .Xresources entry |
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| 10:24.54 | ChrisH | fmerges: seems you are right, but it works :) Seems to be missing in the man page |
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| 10:25.15 | bolt | bullgard4: "xterm*saveLines: 10000" might do what you want. (i didn't try) |
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| 10:27.40 | bullgard4 | bolt: Right. But this is almost as complicated as "uxterm -sl 10000", isn't it. |
| 10:28.03 | ChrisH | fmerges: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594071 |
| 10:28.41 | bolt | bullgard4: er... it's a config file |
| 10:28.56 | bolt | bullgard4: it's something you do once, and it's read every time you start X |
| 10:29.31 | bolt | bullgard4: if you find that just as complicated.. well, it's up to you. at least it makes the command shorter. |
| 10:29.51 | fmerges | ChrisH: that is what happens to me |
| 10:29.59 | fmerges | ChrisH: and I also don't see anything in the logs.. |
| 10:31.31 | bullgard4 | bolt: Did you suggest me to add a line "xterm*saveLines: 10000" in the file ~/.Xresources? |
| 10:31.47 | bolt | bullgard4: affirmative |
| 10:32.20 | bullgard4 | bolt: Ah! Now I understand. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 10:32.48 | bolt | bullgard4: remember to restart X, or merge your xresources with the running database |
| 10:33.19 | maukd | xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
| 10:33.39 | bullgard4 | bolt: I will not forget that. |
| 10:33.47 | jelly-home | I think xterm reads XTerm* resources. the uxterm wrapper uses -class UXTerm |
| 10:34.20 | bolt | thought uxterm would read xterm first, then overwrite with uxterm specifics |
| 10:34.24 | bolt | might be wrong though |
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| 10:36.35 | ChrisH | fmerges: assign yourself to the bug and try to create a crash... You might need to put a ulimit -c unlimited into ntp startup script or start it manually from inside a screen session. |
| 10:36.47 | bullgard4 | bolt: 'man uxterm: uxterm is a wrapper around the xterm(1) program that invokes the latter program with the ‘UXTerm’ X resource class set." |
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| 10:45.15 | bolt | bullgard4: well, i know my urxvt reads my rxvt* entries, as well as the urxvt ones. just assumed it was the same. i trust you'll figure it out however |
| 10:46.22 | jelly-home | bolt: rxvt and derivatives do dirty things with resources, which includes reading the file at each start |
| 10:46.44 | bolt | jelly-home: ah. still a nice terminal though :) |
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| 10:47.01 | bullgard4 | bolt: I will test it for my special case. |
| 10:52.08 | bullgard4 | '~$ alsamixer; ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused. Error when opening the mixer device: Connection refused.' How to open alsamixer? |
| 10:52.38 | sneer | how can i change debian in this picture to my favourite name? www.mediafire.com/view/?31bp53sp8pglppi |
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| 10:54.27 | fmerges | ChrisH: tanks |
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| 10:58.36 | ghormoon | damn, is there any way to reload /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen to default? I had it linked as 08_ and didn't notice it's a link ... so ofcourse, I've deleted the 20_ :-/// |
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| 11:05.02 | bullgard4 | What is the proper term for depriving (an xterm) window from its main part leaving only its headline? |
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| 11:19.07 | bolt | bullgard4: could you rephrase that? |
| 11:23.26 | bullgard4 | bolt: One can get rid of the main part of an uxterm by clicking in the headline on the "arrow up" symbol. What is the proper name for this effect? |
| 11:24.25 | bolt | i know some wm's call it to "shade" the window |
| 11:24.27 | bolt | no idea why |
| 11:24.34 | themill | ask apple |
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| 11:38.02 | leo-unglaub | hey guys, i very high traffic on my server on localhost lo |
| 11:38.11 | leo-unglaub | on eth0 i have RX bytes:5493635174 (5.1 GiB) TX bytes:62838021326 (58.5 GiB) |
| 11:38.21 | leo-unglaub | but on lo i have RX bytes:698786026743 (650.7 GiB) TX bytes:698786026743 (650.7 GiB) |
| 11:38.28 | leo-unglaub | what chould that be? |
| 11:38.41 | leo-unglaub | i have postfix, apache2 + php, mysql installed |
| 11:38.44 | leo-unglaub | nothing else |
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| 11:41.08 | daemonkeeper | You answered yourself already. |
| 11:41.17 | leo-unglaub | i did? |
| 11:41.22 | daemonkeeper | You did. |
| 11:41.32 | daemonkeeper | You have PHP and MySQL installed. This is database traffic from PHP to MySQL and back. |
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| 11:42.14 | leo-unglaub | hmmm, i thought if i specify the socket connection in php the connection doesn't go over the networking system? |
| 11:42.36 | daemonkeeper | That's true. |
| 11:42.41 | daemonkeeper | (if done properly) |
| 11:44.02 | daemonkeeper | That said, I wonder why you do care. This is loopback traffic - it's not anyone would make you pay for it. |
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| 11:46.47 | leo-unglaub | hmmm |
| 11:46.59 | leo-unglaub | in the php settings it looks correctly |
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| 11:47.08 | leo-unglaub | i am not worried about the costs or something |
| 11:47.29 | leo-unglaub | just, if you cave 0,6 TB traffic and no idea from where, you get interested in it :) |
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| 11:48.14 | ChrisH | leo-unglaub: what IP does PHP use to connect to the DB? I assume 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:48.59 | leo-unglaub | ChrisH: no ip address, only the socket |
| 11:49.04 | leo-unglaub | mysql:unix_socket=/tmp/mysql.sock;dbname=foobar |
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| 11:51.13 | ChrisH | leo-unglaub: on my yesterday installed system, nearly nothing running, only a distupgrade (partly via local apt-cacher) eth1 RX bytes:302526309 (288.5 MiB) TX bytes:13244448 (12.6 MiB) lo0 RX bytes:111603910 (106.4 MiB) TX bytes:111603910 (106.4 MiB) |
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| 11:52.01 | thewanderer1 | if PHP is running as FastCGI, guess what, it'll usually listen on some port on lo, too :P |
| 11:52.28 | leo-unglaub | hmmm |
| 11:53.18 | daemonkeeper | if you care enough, do tcpdump -i lo0 and look what traffic is there. |
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| 11:54.24 | oggei | aloha |
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| 11:55.36 | dhanasekaran | Hi Guys any landscape alternative tool is there, for debian based machines please guide me |
| 11:56.53 | leo-unglaub | daemonkeeper: i am going to to do that |
| 11:56.54 | leo-unglaub | thanks |
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| 11:57.28 | jelly-home | ChrisH: huh, where did you get lo with an 0 lo0 |
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| 11:58.13 | ChrisH | jelly-home: from my mind... solaris has it that way: lo0: flags=2001000849<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4,VIRTUAL> mtu 8232 index 1 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000 |
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| 12:26.51 | svp_ | Hello. I would like to ask for some advice about backing up. I'm running 2 Debian 6.0 servers and I have been allotted a directory on a remote server where I would like to store the backups of the two servers. Problem is, I have no control of the remote backup server (i.e. no cron, no pull-operations) but only access to a directory. So far I've looked into rsync, rdiff-backup and rsnapshot. Ideally I would like to use rsnapshot (multiple backups, both hourl |
| 12:26.51 | svp_ | y and daily) but it's giving me trouble because it uses hardlinks which is no good over SSH/SSHFS (right?) |
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| 12:28.30 | Harzilein | booi: just a hunch, but what fs do you use for the debian system? |
| 12:29.07 | thewanderer1 | svp_, OpenSSH from 5.7 onwards features an "ln" command that can create hard links |
| 12:29.09 | Harzilein | booi: also what kind of partition table do you use? |
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| 12:29.32 | Harzilein | booi: and is grub installed to the mbr (if using dos partitions)? |
| 12:29.58 | ChrisH | svp_: 1. HOw to you have access to the remote dir? scp/NFS/soemthing else? 2. I personally use amanda for most of my backups or backintime for a desktop backup to a local USB Disk (it does rsync'ish things) |
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| 12:30.14 | Harzilein | booi: maybe there is also some delay by i.e. the bios searching for inexistant devices? |
| 12:31.07 | Darky` | Hi everyone. I just found back an old network card that I installed on a debian machine and I'm desperatly trying to make it work. I'm able to ping my router as well as other machines connected to the lan, but I can't ping or access any internet resources |
| 12:31.56 | grobda24 | Hi. Does anyone here use Mondo Rescue ? I'm looking to see how to restart the menu system after a boot from the first ISO. |
| 12:32.05 | Harzilein | Darky`: maybe pastebin /etc/network/interfaces? http://paste.debian.net |
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| 12:34.30 | thewanderer1 | grobda24, hi, Mondo Rescue is not Debian, ask in a Mondo channel. |
| 12:35.06 | ChrisH | Darky`: First idea: incorrect Netmask I assume Harzilein is expecting similar |
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| 12:35.46 | Darky` | Harzilein: http://paste.debian.net/189043/ |
| 12:35.57 | Darky` | eth0 works fine |
| 12:36.11 | Darky` | it's the motherboard's network cars |
| 12:36.13 | Darky` | -s +d |
| 12:36.51 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, you must not have two addresses in the same subnet, unless you really know what you're doing |
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| 12:37.10 | grobda24 | thewanderer1: well I'm using it to backup debian and I installed it using debian. Plus I already searched for a mondo channel |
| 12:37.16 | svp_ | ChrisH, I believe the only remote access is through SSH but I'm not sure. It's an CentOS 5.8 server if that provides any info |
| 12:37.27 | FilipeMaia | Is it possible to combine 2 xfs filesystems in a single one? |
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| 12:38.12 | Darky` | thewanderer1: I only connect one at a time |
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| 12:38.21 | ChrisH | Darky`: How did you determine you are pinging over eth0 or eth1 ? |
| 12:38.23 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, yeah, but both have an address... |
| 12:38.31 | Darky` | ping -I eth1 8.8.8.8 |
| 12:38.36 | thewanderer1 | svp_, if years-old software like faubackup could manage hard links over SSH, I'm sure the new ones can as well |
| 12:38.47 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, ifdown the other interface |
| 12:39.23 | thewanderer1 | svp_, btw. I can recommend faubackup, despite its hard availability in Debian |
| 12:39.30 | Darky` | thewanderer1: I just did |
| 12:39.40 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, well, does it work now? |
| 12:39.43 | Darky` | and I still get a "Destination Host Unreachable" |
| 12:39.48 | svp_ | thewanderer1, example output from rdiff-backup to a dir I mounted by SSHFS: Warning: hard linking not supported by filesystem at /mnt/snapshots/rdiff-backup-data |
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| 12:40.03 | e-anima | is there a way to install mysqlnd on debian 6. it makes me sick that i can not use mysqli_stmt::get_result() with php |
| 12:40.03 | ChrisH | Darky`: please pasetbin dmesg and ifconfig -a |
| 12:40.17 | thewanderer1 | svp_, you should be using a backup system that talks directly over SSH/SFTP, rather than using sshfs |
| 12:40.20 | jelly-home | svp_: sounds like sshfs hasn't caught up with sftp features yet |
| 12:40.27 | e-anima | i searched but there does not seem to be a package |
| 12:40.31 | grobda24 | feels ignored |
| 12:40.34 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, also, please include the output of "ip route show" |
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| 12:41.04 | ChrisH | grobda24: you got your answer 14:34 < thewanderer1> grobda24, hi, Mondo Rescue is not Debian, ask in a Mondo channel. |
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| 12:41.27 | grobda24 | ChrisH: and you did not read my reply. I cannot find the mondo channel |
| 12:41.35 | thewanderer1 | grobda24, you could try a generic channel such as ##linux, or hit the mailing lists, support forums, etc. of the respective project |
| 12:41.38 | jelly-home | svp_: you'll need sshfs 2.3 or nwer |
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| 12:42.15 | grobda24 | oh give me a break, mondo is debian related. if ya going to be like this then I'm leaving |
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| 12:42.55 | svp_ | jelly-home, and Debian 6.0 ships sshfs 2.2, so I guess I can forget that |
| 12:43.22 | jelly-home | svp_: you could try to backport a newer version |
| 12:43.27 | jelly-home | ,v sshfs |
| 12:43.28 | judd | Package: sshfs on i386 -- lenny: 2.1-1; squeeze: 2.2-1; sid: 2.4-1; wheezy: 2.4-1 |
| 12:43.44 | jelly-home | ,checkbackport sshfs |
| 12:43.45 | judd | Backporting package sshfs in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 12:43.49 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell svp_ about ssb |
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| 12:44.08 | svp_ | jelly-home, do I want to do that in a server environment? |
| 12:44.24 | bittin^work | sshfs is <3 |
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| 12:45.07 | jelly-home | svp_: if you absolutely require a newer version of particular software, and you realize you'll have to manage the updates on your own from that point on, backporting is the best choice |
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| 12:45.52 | boudiccas | threw his dummy out of the pram! [sorry for the delay, the bulb in my lamp just blew and had to be replaced] |
| 12:46.09 | jelly-home | wtf |
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| 12:48.15 | jelly-home | svp_: sshfs looks like a reasonably small and self-contained piece of software |
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| 12:50.05 | Harzilein | Darky`: i'll have to leave for work now, if you highlight me when you answer ChrisH's requests i might be able to chime in later |
| 12:50.13 | svp_ | jelly-home, I'll try it on a test server and see how it goes, thanks |
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| 12:52.30 | ChrisH | Hopefully Darky` did not ifdown'ed the interface over that he was connected to the system. |
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| 13:01.34 | Darky` | i did some stupid things and had to reboot |
| 13:01.47 | Darky` | i'll paste the things now |
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| 13:05.03 | g00se | Is it possible to do an ntfs-3g mount starting from above the root of the mounted volume, e.g. something like /dev/sda2/Users/Documents/Jackie ? |
| 13:05.31 | bolt | g00se: mount, then bind? |
| 13:06.20 | g00se | says that 'bind' is a new one on him ... |
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| 13:07.00 | jelly-home | at least you seem to understand the question... I don't |
| 13:07.02 | g00se | bolt: I thought bind was to do with sockets ;) |
| 13:07.44 | bolt | jelly-home: he wants to mount the Documents/Jackie directory on the NTFS partition on sda2 to somewhere |
| 13:07.58 | g00se | Exactly |
| 13:08.01 | jelly-home | what does "starting from above the root of the mounted volume" mean? What does your mixing of device path and directory paths mean? |
| 13:08.23 | g00se | It's just a shorthand |
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| 13:10.17 | ChoHag | Is there a sensible way (I have a build environment based around pbuilder & reprepro set up) to build kernel modules which will be used on a wide number of machines (which don't have a compiler)? |
| 13:10.29 | Darky` | http://paste.debian.net/189052/ |
| 13:10.30 | ChoHag | In this instance, open-vm-source. |
| 13:10.34 | Darky` | ChrisH: ^ |
| 13:10.37 | jelly-home | g00se: no, only the root of a fs can be mounted normally. bolt suggests using mount --bind after that, which is basically arbitrary mapping of file path namespace so you can make any directory appear someplace else |
| 13:11.05 | Darky` | and Harzilein http://paste.debian.net/189052/ |
| 13:11.13 | g00se | Ah thanks, will look into bind |
| 13:11.27 | jelly-home | g00se: eg. you could mount /dev/sda2 /mnt; and mount --bind /mnt/Users/Documents/Jackie /home/jackie/Documents |
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| 13:12.13 | jelly-home | just like the normal mount, a bind mount also needs the destination mount point to exist beforehand |
| 13:12.14 | ChrisH | Darky`: from line 897 NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1 (ne2k-pci): transmit queue 0 timed out ... get rid of that card...it will slow down anything |
| 13:13.07 | ChrisH | Or... worst case. eth1 is the one you named 'the working one' |
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| 13:13.58 | adam8157 | Hi, all. Why testing-CD-1 still install Gnome3 as default desktop env? |
| 13:14.22 | Darky` | ChrisH: no, eth1 is the one i'm trying to get to work |
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| 13:15.17 | g00se | I really need to get the perms right though. My motivation is to restrict access to other Windows directories. |
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| 13:16.27 | g00se | Would the perms of the dest mount point override those of the source? |
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| 13:18.40 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, you have no route to the Internet. |
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| 13:21.26 | Darky` | thewanderer1: i know i'm kind of a noob, but doesn't "192.168.1.0/24 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.23 " mean that there is a route ? |
| 13:21.32 | Darky` | if not, how can I add one ? |
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| 13:21.41 | ChrisH | Darky`: I am missing the ip route show ; please add ip route get 8.8.8.8 ; output |
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| 13:22.38 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH, it's there at the top, but very short |
| 13:23.00 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, ifdown and ifup the interface again, or add it manually: ip route add 0.0.0.0/0 via 192.168.1.1 |
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| 13:24.27 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: ahh, now I found it... and yes the default route is missing |
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| 13:25.18 | Darky` | thewanderer1: I added it manually |
| 13:25.20 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, you really should not have two interfaces in the same subnet - as you can probably see, it breaks a lot of things |
| 13:25.20 | Darky` | and it's working |
| 13:25.33 | Darky` | i don't understand why ping -I eth1 8.8.8.8 didn't work though |
| 13:25.42 | thewanderer1 | Darky`, because you had no route! |
| 13:25.42 | Darky` | thanks for your help |
| 13:26.06 | Darky` | ooooh |
| 13:26.16 | Darky` | i get it now |
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| 13:26.22 | Darky` | haha i'm such a noob :) |
| 13:26.31 | thewanderer1 | if you really must have eth0 and eth1 in 192.168.1.0/24, get a bridge device set up (br0 or so) |
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| 13:26.53 | ChrisH | Darky`: Do youself a favour and remove that NIC! |
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| 13:27.10 | daemonkeeper | thewanderer1: + STP. No, really. |
| 13:27.11 | Darky` | ChrisH: is it that bad ? |
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| 13:29.34 | adam8157 | Hi, all. Why testing-CD-1 still install Gnome3 as default desktop env? |
| 13:29.43 | thewanderer1 | daemonkeeper, yeah, just realized... :P |
| 13:29.46 | colo-work | we have a problem on one of our Debian machines that doesn't mount a viable NFS filesystem on bootup, despite being listed in fstab |
| 13:29.54 | colo-work | it mounts fine once the machine is up & running |
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| 13:30.22 | colo-work | it seems to have to do with the fact that the route to the nfs-server is not available yet when the system tries to mount the fstab entry |
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| 13:30.59 | colo-work | the fstab entry reads like this: |
| 13:31.02 | colo-work | stuff:/ghnfs /ghnfs nfs vers=3,noatime,ro,_netdev 0 0 |
| 13:31.07 | Megaf | Can you give me a hand please? http://paste.debian.net/189059/ |
| 13:31.16 | thewanderer1 | colo-work, proper fix: find out why it's not available, possibly reorder your init scripts (insserv); quick fix: /etc/rc.local... |
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| 13:31.42 | colo-work | thewanderer1, the problem is that a few services depend on config files residing on that NFS share |
| 13:31.53 | colo-work | the nfs-server is reachable via eth0 |
| 13:32.03 | colo-work | the host has a second interface, eth1, for its other traffic |
| 13:32.39 | colo-work | somehow whatever tries to mount the export apparently believes that eth1 is sufficient for the network to be considered "up" |
| 13:32.51 | thewanderer1 | I would read the init scripts and see what determines if it's mounted or not |
| 13:33.35 | ChrisH | Darky`: Do some test traffic (1GB or more) over the card, check the systems load, and the messages for more NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1 (ne2k-pci): transmit queue 0 timed out |
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| 13:33.49 | colo-work | thewanderer1, do you have an idea which init script to look at specifically? |
| 13:34.57 | piorekf | i'm looking for some replacement for xdmcp, any sugestions? |
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| 13:35.28 | thewanderer1 | colo-work, specifically, mountnfs.sh, but any of `fgrep -d recurse nfs /etc/init.d | cut -d: -f1 | sort | uniq` could be responsible :P |
| 13:35.39 | g00se | Thanks folks. It's a start .. |
| 13:35.45 | thewanderer1 | piorekf, XDMCP over SSH |
| 13:36.07 | ghormoon | how do i find out if xen-pciback is built in or as module? I can't make it working so maybe the problem is there :D |
| 13:36.15 | koegs | piorekf: vnc, freenx, X over ssh |
| 13:36.31 | simonlnu | ghormoon: see /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:37.57 | simonlnu | colo-work: try mounting via ip and not hostname? (i typoed that 'hastname'... wth? heh) |
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| 13:38.34 | ghormoon | there is no "pciback" in it ... only thinng that seems relevant CONFIG_PCI_XEN=y |
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| 13:39.17 | piorekf | thewanderer1 koegs: thanks |
| 13:39.26 | colo-work | simon_, the hostname is in /etc/hosts, and we get "no route to host"-errors on the xen console of the machine when booting |
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| 13:41.12 | simonlnu | try inserting a gateway line in your eth0 stanza, or is the gateway somewhere else? |
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| 13:42.25 | simonlnu | ghormoon: maybe this: XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND |
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| 13:43.38 | verblendet | hi, in squeeze i run vnc4server as user, vncserver :1 , it starts, but i cannot connect from any workstation in the net. any ideas? some special debianish settings i need to set up? theres no firewall activte on the local machine running vnc4server. |
| 13:43.45 | ghormoon | D CONFIG_XEN_PCIDEV_BACKEND=m :( so it will be more complicated than only hiding it in grub |
| 13:45.35 | milligan | I'm sshing, through a script, from one box to another. On the other box, this is being executed: nohup java -jar server.jar <&- 1>/dev/null 2>&1 & . If I run this from a console by hand it works.. being done over a script it does not. What could be wrong? (Sorry for vague description) |
| 13:45.39 | ghormoon | or will it work if i only change it to =y? i really doubt it, but I'll try :) |
| 13:46.16 | diabolical | Hey there, I'm having problems using gparted with linux 3.2 from backports. After starting it, it's scanning for devices but it never finishes. It's working without problems on the stock kernel. |
| 13:46.25 | thewanderer1 | milligan, use screen instead of nohup |
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| 13:47.01 | milligan | thewanderer1, simply replace nohup with "screen" ? |
| 13:47.05 | simonlnu | tmux, screen, would be better than nohup there.... |
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| 13:47.47 | verblendet | does squeeze setup a firewall or netfilter by default? e.g. blocking clients connecting to vnc? |
| 13:47.53 | thewanderer1 | milligan, no, actually read the manual and find out how you are supposed to use it :P |
| 13:47.57 | thewanderer1 | verblendet, no |
| 13:48.24 | thewanderer1 | verblendet, but maybe it doesn't listen on the right interface? I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 13:48.39 | simonlnu | no, debian has a smart default there, no iptables. |
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| 13:50.15 | verblendet | thewanderer1, nope, theres only one configured interface |
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| 13:51.38 | thewanderer1 | verblendet, netstat -tlnp |
| 13:52.39 | verblendet | thewanderer1, for ipv4 i get: 0.0.0.0:6001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 31552/Xvnc4 |
| 13:52.54 | verblendet | 0.0.0.0 looks fine to me |
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| 13:53.16 | verblendet | serv everything everywhere.... |
| 13:53.41 | thewanderer1 | verblendet, does the port look open from the outside? nc -z $HOST_IP 6001 && echo OPEN || echo UNREACHABLE |
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| 13:54.47 | thewanderer1 | (oops, I forgot to provide a timeout value - but if it hangs, you'll know there's some kind of networking problem) |
| 13:55.00 | verblendet | its closed |
| 13:55.06 | verblendet | so wtf? |
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| 13:55.22 | verblendet | i knew it, must be some debianish settings in the hidden fields |
| 13:55.43 | verblendet | and no logging at all |
| 13:56.17 | thewanderer1 | there is no default firewall |
| 13:56.29 | verblendet | must be a timeout |
| 13:56.40 | adam8157 | Hi, all. Why testing-CD-1 still install Gnome3 as default desktop env? |
| 13:56.44 | verblendet | the net is fine here |
| 13:56.54 | thewanderer1 | verblendet, well, can you connect on any other port to that machine? ... |
| 13:57.17 | thewanderer1 | adam8157, maybe the git tasksel change is not pulled yet into the images? |
| 13:57.42 | abrotman | adam8157: does it really matteR? skip tasksel, use aptitude after the install |
| 13:57.58 | adam8157 | thewanderer1: will they? testing already freeze... |
| 13:58.15 | thewanderer1 | adam8157, testing yes, but not the installer |
| 13:58.17 | adam8157 | abrotman: just wonder, I dont use xfce and gnome... |
| 13:58.28 | adam8157 | thewanderer1: I see.. |
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| 14:02.23 | verblendet | ok, checked with port 6001 + 22, 22 is ok, 6001 times out, thats totally crazy |
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| 14:04.33 | thewanderer1 | verblendet, check your iptables |
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| 14:04.49 | verblendet | iptables -L reports its empty |
| 14:05.53 | thewanderer1 | you could try /etc/hosts.allow, but it shouldn't make a difference |
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| 14:08.16 | FilipeMaia | What files do I have to change to set /sys/block parameters at startup? |
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| 14:08.45 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: install sysfsutils, then /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 14:08.56 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: thanks |
| 14:10.40 | verblendet | hmm |
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| 14:10.57 | verblendet | in the log of vnc4server i can see: error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
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| 14:11.40 | verblendet | and indeeed, theres no such file in /etc/X11 ... isnt that created during install? do i really need that? |
| 14:11.52 | thewanderer1 | verblendet, run tcpdump and see if you're getting any traffic incoming on port 6001 registered by the system... and if the TCP connection ever gets established |
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| 14:12.16 | diabolical | Hm, looks like gparted is generating I/O errors on fd0 on linux 3.2. Does that mean it's more of a kernel issue? |
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| 14:14.53 | ChrisH | diabolical: fd0 like FloppyDisk0 or filedescritor 0 ? |
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| 14:16.10 | diabolical | ChrisH, fd0 like /dev/fd0 |
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| 14:16.30 | jelly-home | diabolical: do you even have a floppy drive? |
| 14:16.52 | ChrisH | diabolical: 1. is there a floppy disk drive in? 2. if answer to 1 is yes, is there a floppy in? If any of these answers is NO, the IO error is OK |
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| 14:17.32 | diabolical | No, I have none. (Actually, I do have one, but I unplugged it because I don't need it.) |
| 14:18.00 | thewanderer1 | diabolical, what's the problem, then? :D |
| 14:18.21 | diabolical | Well, gparted is still hanging, and it seems to me that it's gparted that is causing these I/O errors |
| 14:18.30 | jelly-home | diabolical: look for some other problem -- this is likely normal and a red herring in your case |
| 14:18.48 | thewanderer1 | why is the gparted even touching fd0, anyway? |
| 14:19.04 | jelly-home | because it's there. |
| 14:19.13 | verblendet | muahahaha |
| 14:19.25 | jelly-home | and because the user didn't ask gparted to deal with just one device |
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| 14:19.57 | diabolical | thewanderer1, I have no idea. But seeing that it's doing stuff to fd0 all the time, I thought it might be in some kind of loop |
| 14:20.08 | ahferroin7 | thewanderer1: because it scans all connected disk like devices that would be partitioned on a standard setup |
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| 14:21.03 | thewanderer1 | yeah, it'd probably list all like fdisk -l if you don't give it a particular device to work on |
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| 14:21.17 | thewanderer1 | now, does it also hang if you point it at a specific device? |
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| 14:21.34 | diabolical | thewanderer1, like gparted /dev/sda? |
| 14:21.38 | jelly-home | diabolical: yes |
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| 14:22.29 | diabolical | Oh, wait, it's actually done by now. Took it long enough. (and there are no I/O errors anymore.) |
| 14:23.27 | thewanderer1 | it probably retried a few times on fd0, reached some fail limit value, and moved on |
| 14:24.21 | ghormoon | where should i have modprobe.conf? most guides on the internet say /etc/modprobe.conf, but the system says, its obsolete, is it ok to have it in /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf or where? (I'm trying to find out, if the problem is in the file, or location of the file :D) |
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| 14:25.17 | thewanderer1 | ghormoon, just use something like /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf |
| 14:25.56 | diabolical | thewanderer1, yes, it does also hang if I point it at /dev/sda (and I can confirm that /dev/sda actually exists) |
| 14:27.10 | diabolical | (But it still says 'Scanning all devices'.) |
| 14:27.39 | babilen | ghormoon: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:27.40 | ghormoon | still not helping, maybe i've got something wrong elsewhere (i'm trying to pass pci through xen) |
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| 14:32.58 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there a command line tool to convert pdf to epub? Maybe even just extracting the text of a pdf would be enough. I want to read pdfs on my mobile devices, but since they do not allow reflow, they suck. |
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| 14:34.02 | ghormoon | in my kernel the pciback is only a module, so i have to do this messing aroung (or compile kernel, vhich would be much more dangerous in my hands) so i'm trying to do it according to guides like this (and millions simmilar) http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Assign_Hardware_to_DomU_with_PCIBack_as_module |
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| 14:44.08 | ocmsRzr | I just installed systemd as a replacement for sysvinit on my desktop and my laptop. The desktop is a recent, clean install of testing. My boot time is the same if not faster on the desktop, but the boot time on the laptop is now glacial. |
| 14:44.20 | ocmsRzr | How can I speed systemd up? |
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| 14:45.29 | ocmsRzr | In case its relavent, the result of systemd-analyze: Startup finished in 8106ms (kernel) + 104309ms (userspace) = 112416ms |
| 14:45.30 | ocmsRzr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.38 | engla | you can check systemd-analyze for the plot |
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| 14:46.17 | engla | or the "blame" subcommand |
| 14:46.54 | ocmsRzr | I don't have man entries for systemd-analyze, and systemd-blame isn't installed... can you be more specific? |
| 14:47.05 | ocmsRzr | nvm |
| 14:47.15 | ocmsRzr | sorry, systemd-analyze --help to the rescue |
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| 14:47.51 | colo-work | I have a system here with a bpo kernel installed on lenny, that qas upgraded to squeeze (and received squeeze's proper kernel in the process) |
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| 14:48.03 | colo-work | however, update-grub seems to incorrectly order those two kernel images: |
| 14:48.12 | colo-work | Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64 |
| 14:48.13 | colo-work | Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 14:48.29 | ghormoon | seems that the local.conf has no effect, i've removed the pciback.hides from grub (as they shouldn't work) and the only one working device i had disappeared from passable list :D |
| 14:48.38 | colo-work | the version identifiers read like this: 2.6.32-45 (squeeze) vs. 2.6.32-29~bpo50+1 |
| 14:48.51 | colo-work | why is the bpo50 package preferred over that of squeeze proper? |
| 14:48.58 | jelly-home | colo-work: yeah, boot the Debian one manually, and if it works, remove the bpo one |
| 14:49.27 | jelly-home | colo-work: because dpkg --compare-versions thinks bpo is larger than 5 |
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| 14:50.04 | colo-work | so the tilde in there doesn't convey any kind of special meaning to dpkg's version copmarison algorithm? |
| 14:50.05 | jelly-home | or worse, update-grub might not even be using that sort method but plain ascii |
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| 14:50.23 | jelly-home | colo-work: the versions are not compared, file names are. |
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| 14:50.46 | engla | backports are not considered for debian upgrade support I think |
| 14:51.34 | jelly-home | obviously noone wants to remove the currently working kernel, even at release upgrades |
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| 14:52.13 | jelly-home | colo-work: so yeah, after the kernel and udev installation step, the best thing would be to reboot the squeeze kernel and see if it works |
| 14:52.48 | colo-work | will do. |
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| 14:52.53 | colo-work | thanks |
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| 14:54.20 | oo_miguel | On server A I have a directory where I save some backups (like mysqldumps). Now I want to transfer them from a backup server B with rsync, that is run on server B. My questions are: 1. is this in general a good idea to create backups? 2. What if I run rsync WHILE a new backupfile is just beeing created? |
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| 14:54.52 | oo_miguel | sorry, I want to transfer them TO server B of course |
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| 15:00.50 | jelly-home | also, asking the same question in multiple channels are the same time? Not nice, oo_miguel |
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| 15:01.49 | jelly-home | better to exhaust one channel's support before moving to a different one; that way you use less of the volunteer resources |
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| 15:02.36 | oo_miguel | jelly-home: sorry for that |
| 15:02.41 | maukd | Can't locate object method "arch" via package "DhMakePerl::Command::make" at /usr/share/perl5/DhMakePerl/Command/make.pm line 307. |
| 15:02.48 | maukd | I get that when running dh-make-perl |
| 15:02.52 | maukd | what's going on? |
| 15:02.58 | cardamon | So, still trying to diagnose my visual tearing issues. The only thing I've done that didn't tear as badly was videos in mplayer with vdpau. |
| 15:03.22 | jelly-home | maukd: which version of dh-make-perl package, which debian release, and what's the _exact_ command line you were using? |
| 15:03.22 | cardamon | Flash and html5 videos still tear. |
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| 15:03.52 | maukd | jelly-home: how do I determine the version of dh-make-perl? it doesn't recognize --version |
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| 15:04.03 | jelly-home | maukd: dpkg -l dh-make-perl will do |
| 15:04.30 | maukd | 0.70-1 |
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| 15:05.18 | maukd | debian version is 6.0.5, and dh-make-perl --install --cpan Dir::Self |
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| 15:07.13 | cardamon | Oh great. I broke the sound too. |
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| 15:08.04 | psyclopolis | Is https://ssd.eff.org/tech/deletion correct in saying there exist no undeletion prevention tools for *nix |
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| 15:11.41 | garulf | hi guys... |
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| 15:11.59 | bolt | !greet garulf |
| 15:11.59 | dpkg | Wassup, garulf |
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| 15:12.13 | garulf | i'm trying to use svn, but it ask me gnome-keyring password!What I have to do to disable it? |
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| 15:15.03 | psyclopolis | help |
| 15:15.06 | cardamon | I think I removed some essential sound stuff when I stripped out kde. It definately got pulseaudio. |
| 15:15.20 | psyclopolis | Is https://ssd.eff.org/tech/deletion correct in saying there exist no undeletion prevention tools for *nix |
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| 15:17.14 | abrotman | psyclopolis: not true |
| 15:17.15 | gnarface | psyclopolis: i think there's a fair chance you can get by everyone except perhaps the NSA in most cases by just using DD to write random garbage over the whole drive a few dozen times in a row |
| 15:17.15 | asturel | hey, has debian's mc 'view diff files' command menu? |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | gnarface: NSA ? |
| 15:17.44 | abrotman | gnarface: either i or you misread |
| 15:17.47 | cardamon | Well, fixed that at least. |
| 15:17.51 | asturel | anyone can check this for me? |
| 15:17.59 | CQ | psyclopolis: read the answer here: http://superuser.com/questions/19326/how-to-wipe-free-disk-space-in-linux - sfill can wipe free space |
| 15:18.12 | abrotman | psyclopolis: google "libtrash" |
| 15:18.16 | gnarface | abrotman: he's looking for something to securely delete files right? |
| 15:18.26 | abrotman | no, he wants a Windows Trashcan |
| 15:18.28 | abrotman | i think |
| 15:18.42 | gnarface | abrotman: i read it right. maybe he said it wrong. |
| 15:18.47 | abrotman | disagree! |
| 15:18.59 | psyclopolis | no i don't want a windows trashcan |
| 15:19.00 | gnarface | undeletion *prevention* suggests to me you DON"T want the trash back |
| 15:19.09 | gnarface | abrotman |
| 15:19.09 | abrotman | !dban |
| 15:19.09 | dpkg | Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq . See also <nwipe>. |
| 15:19.15 | abrotman | yes, i misread |
| 15:19.31 | gnarface | whew |
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| 15:19.35 | gnarface | thought i was going crazy *again* |
| 15:20.21 | bullgard4 | asturel: Do you mean "Compare directories" or "Compare files"? |
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| 15:21.24 | psyclopolis | I wanted to know if there exists a tool which can be used to delete something then write over that space (without dd ing the whole drive) so the original file is unretrievable even with digital forensics |
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| 15:21.35 | psyclopolis | CQ: Reading now |
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| 15:21.56 | CQ | if I get an enclosure like this one http://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=123 can I attach it to a standard SATA port on the MB (with eSATA connectors at the expansion slot to bring it outside) and then see teh 4 disks inside as separate devices, or how does JBOD work? |
| 15:22.54 | cardamon | psyclopolis: Basically plenty of tools exist to make sure your deletions stay deleted. |
| 15:22.54 | CQ | psyclopolis: ideally you delete with srm right away, then it's gone, otherwise you need to use sfill |
| 15:23.29 | asturel | bullgard4 compare files |
| 15:23.52 | asturel | i have only compare dir |
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| 15:24.08 | bullgard4 | asturel: A menu option "Compare files" exists. |
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| 15:24.30 | asturel | i dont have that.. |
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| 15:24.39 | asturel | in commands section? |
| 15:25.14 | bullgard4 | asturel: Yes, in the Commands section. |
| 15:26.04 | asturel | http://i47.tinypic.com/2n04n08.jpg |
| 15:26.24 | cardamon | Knowing what 30 pass of junk data one every inch of every cylinder does to prexisting data, I'm fairly confident even the NSA couldn't retrieve it. |
| 15:27.16 | asturel | any idea, bullgard4? |
| 15:27.18 | cardamon | Honestly, you're probably good with 3. |
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| 15:27.53 | psyclopolis | CQ: thanks srm should work well |
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| 15:28.07 | specing | psyclopolis: you could use rubberhose FS within LUKS within LUKS within LUKS |
| 15:28.25 | specing | Then Im sure not even you could retrieve the data |
| 15:28.30 | bullgard4 | asturel: You have 8 options there, and I have 9. Do you use Debian testing <8wheezy/sid)? |
| 15:28.51 | bullgard4 | -8 |
| 15:29.27 | cardamon | what's he want? just to make sure his deletions stay deleted? to sell or to scrap? |
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| 15:30.40 | asturel | bullgard4 how do i check it |
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| 15:31.03 | specing | random guy when he is asked how to partition his harddrive: Oh I'll just use <insert some random fs that will give me the maximum performance> |
| 15:31.04 | psyclopolis | just to ensure when I delete a file my harddrive will show no trace that it ever existed.. srm should do nicely from what ive read |
| 15:31.05 | asturel | int apt squeeze |
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| 15:31.43 | CQ | asturel: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:31.46 | specing | rnadom guy 6 months later: OMG I'done something illegal/going to sell the drive, now what should I do to protect my data?! |
| 15:31.54 | asturel | 6.0.5 |
| 15:32.13 | bullgard4 | asturel: int? If you have sueeze then you will probably need upgrading to wheezy/sid. |
| 15:32.24 | asturel | how do i do that? |
| 15:32.32 | asturel | replace apt.sources and dist-upgrade? |
| 15:32.43 | specing | protip: it is easier to prevent something from happening than repairing the consequences |
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| 15:33.23 | cardamon | psyclopolis: Hard to do live. Easier to just encrypt the entire volume, then write over with junk data when you sell/scrap it. |
| 15:33.32 | bullgard4 | asturel: '~§ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 15:34.10 | asturel | bullgard4? |
| 15:34.15 | asturel | its already up |
| 15:34.22 | asturel | but i have squeeze in apt sources |
| 15:34.35 | bullgard4 | asturel: What is already up? |
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| 15:35.04 | asturel | 0 upgraded |
| 15:35.12 | asturel | for dist-upgrade |
| 15:36.03 | bullgard4 | asturel: Please read the Debian documentation how to dist-upgrade to a newer Debian version. |
| 15:36.13 | asturel | ok |
| 15:36.31 | asturel | btw is there a debian version which use 3.x kernel? |
| 15:37.00 | bullgard4 | asturel: Yes. |
| 15:37.20 | asturel | which? |
| 15:37.29 | psyclopolis | cardamon: if I used rubberhose could I move my current files to that file system? |
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| 15:37.36 | sney | asturel: testing |
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| 15:39.13 | boudiccas | ,v kernel |
| 15:39.16 | judd | No package named 'kernel' was found in i386. |
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| 15:39.27 | asturel | i didnt find sid in http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 15:40.26 | bullgard4 | asturel: Debian unstable. |
| 15:40.40 | cardamon | psyclopolis: I don't know what that is. It's not really a problem I've researched. |
| 15:40.41 | jelly-home | !sid faq |
| 15:40.41 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
| 15:40.47 | asturel | ah ok, thx |
| 15:41.00 | bullgard4 | asturel: Debian sid is not unstable. Debian sid is testing. |
| 15:41.03 | psyclopolis | so would you use truecrypt or something? |
| 15:41.10 | cardamon | bullgard4: No. Other way around. |
| 15:41.45 | sney | bullgard4: sid is unstable. wheezy is testing. you should read the faq, too |
| 15:41.53 | boudiccas | psyclopolis: truecrypt is very good, and i use it on wheezy, but its not supported by debian as its non-free |
| 15:41.55 | asturel | http://www.debian.org/releases/sid/ says unstable |
| 15:42.02 | cardamon | Sid is always Unstable. |
| 15:42.08 | cardamon | Always. |
| 15:42.23 | sney | asturel: correct. some people get it mixed up. if you want a pre-release debian version with 3.x, upgrade to wheezy |
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| 15:42.35 | cardamon | Because Sid is the bad kid who always breaks things. |
| 15:42.37 | sney | boudiccas: and the command for the kernels is just ,kernels |
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| 15:43.03 | boudiccas | snayah, thanks, i'll try to remember it :) |
| 15:43.12 | boudiccas | sney, sorry |
| 15:43.22 | asturel | wheezy?:D |
| 15:43.32 | asturel | already did for sid.. |
| 15:43.40 | cardamon | asturel: While still being nominally "Testing" and not the current stable and supported release, Wheezy's ramping up to take its place and was fairly rock solid already. |
| 15:43.44 | sney | !introduction |
| 15:43.45 | dpkg | Debian is a free (as in <dfsg>) and universal operating system, best known for its <apt> package management. It mainly consists of three distributions <stable> (currently <Squeeze>), <testing> (currently <Wheezy>) and <unstable> (<Sid>). Each is further divided in several repositories, at least <main>, <contrib> and <non-free>. See also <overview>, <fundamentals>, <backports>, <security>, <general cli tutorial> and <reference>. |
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| 15:45.57 | ghormoon | is it possible to find out which device blkocks boot of VM in xen? I only get "Device model isn't ready for commands" and I don't have idea why :-/ |
| 15:46.44 | asturel | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 15:46.45 | asturel | acpi-support-base bind9-host bison bisonc++ dbus dnsutils fluxbox g++ g++-multilib gawk gcc-multilib git ia32-libs linux-image-2.6-amd64 mc mc-dbg python-markdown python-reportbug reportbug tcl tk |
| 15:46.57 | asturel | why it kept back? |
| 15:47.15 | sney | !bat |
| 15:47.15 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | !tell asturel about held back |
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| 15:51.19 | queso | PostgreSQL 9.2 was just released. Sorry, I don't understand what changes can be made at this point because of the freeze, but will PG9.2 make it into wheezy? |
| 15:51.52 | ansgar | queso: No. |
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| 15:52.15 | queso | ansgar: okay, thank you. |
| 15:52.17 | vadimkolchev | hi all. Got a question about apt: in sources.list I have squeeze/updates main contrib non-free and squeeze-updates main contrib non-free. What is the difference? |
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| 15:52.45 | abrotman | vadimkolchev: one is security, one is pending updates |
| 15:53.09 | vadimkolchev | abrotman, so actually I need both entries? |
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| 15:55.12 | asturel | mc Failed to run: Cannot create /home/android/.config/mc directory |
| 15:55.35 | asturel | ah there was a file .config |
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| 15:57.44 | babilen | vadimkolchev: You don't need them in the sense that the universe will collapse if you remove one, but it is advisable and both are considered to be in a standard sources.list -- See also "/msg dpkg make squeeze sources.list" |
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| 15:58.51 | vadimkolchev | babilen: I'm asking because after fresh installation I had this kind of entry - squeeze-updates main , and then added contrib and non-free manually |
| 15:59.11 | vadimkolchev | babilen: so I wondered why there are almost two similar entries |
| 15:59.30 | FilipeMaia | Is there a way to make changes to /sys/block/md0/md/stripe_cache_size permanent such that I don't have to change it after every reboot? |
| 16:00.05 | themill | vadimkolchev: sources.list syntax is not based on similarity... they are either identical or not. |
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| 16:00.26 | Brigo | FilipeMaia: i am not sure, but i think not. |
| 16:00.28 | babilen | vadimkolchev: squeeze-updates is IMHO a horrible name for what used to be volatile. (in particular because it is so similar to squeeze/updates). But also read "/msg dpkg squeeze-updates" and linked articles/news entries. |
| 16:00.40 | FilipeMaia | Brigo: :( |
| 16:00.47 | Brigo | FilipeMaia: usualy people makes the change on boot time. |
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| 16:01.10 | FilipeMaia | Brigo: is there an accepted way to make the change at boot time automatically? Or do I have to write my own script? |
| 16:01.11 | ghormoon | can anyone who knows xen check this please? http://paste.debian.net/189092/ almost anything done in xen fails, I can't start VM, I can't edit settings ... maybe I've forgot to install some package or something :-/ |
| 16:01.22 | FilipeMaia | Brigo: the problem is the timing of the assembly of the raid array |
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| 16:01.49 | Brigo | FilipeMaia: /etc/rc.local i think |
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| 16:03.02 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: you could dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and tell it to assemble md0 at boot time |
| 16:03.07 | vadimkolchev | babilen, thank you, it was very helpful |
| 16:03.20 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: it is already assembling at boot time actually |
| 16:03.44 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: but it's still not there when sysfsutils init script is called? |
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| 16:03.57 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: i'm not sure i was asking |
| 16:04.00 | vadimkolchev | babilen, btw, when debian 7.0 is available, will it be hard to move to it without reinstalling? I heard that the default desktop will be xfce there |
| 16:04.12 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: try it and see. |
| 16:04.24 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: that's where i imagine the problem might be but i don't know |
| 16:04.27 | CQ | vadimkolchev: yes, you can upgrade without reinstalling |
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| 16:05.02 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: do you have bootlogd enabled, can we see it? |
| 16:05.40 | jubo2 | Hello. I'm on Debian & KDE & Compiz and Kmail is very brokeh. Someone suggested installing thunderbird but I cannot find it with aptitude. What to do ? |
| 16:05.41 | boudiccas | vadimkolchev: four weeks ago i upgraded to wheezy from squeeze, kept the gnome desktop but didnt like it, so am now using XFCE with great success. If you're careful its stable and okay, so far at least :) |
| 16:05.55 | Brigo | FilipeMaia: /etc/sysctl.conf? may be? |
| 16:06.00 | sney | jubo2: it's called icedove in debian |
| 16:06.19 | BusMaster | jubo2, aptitude search icedove |
| 16:06.21 | jubo2 | sney: 'k tnx |
| 16:06.26 | babilen | vadimkolchev: It will be possible to upgrade painlessly (at least people are working hard to ensure that) from Squeeze to Wheezy. The process will be detailed in Wheezy's release notes, just like the upgrade to Squeeze was detailed in its release notes. (cf. "/msg dpkg release notes"). The change to XFCE as default desktop (if we actually do that) will *not* impact your system, as it only affects new installations. |
| 16:06.37 | vadimkolchev | boudiccas, yes, I just wondered whether it is easy to upgrade from gnome to xfce easily |
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| 16:07.09 | boudiccas | vadimkolchev: its just a matter of installing XFCE and then using it when you log on |
| 16:07.13 | FilipeMaia | Brigo: isn't /etc/sysctl just for things inside /proc? |
| 16:07.19 | Chris___ | what's the command to lock a file so even root can't mess with it, used mainly to preserve files through upgrades? |
| 16:07.27 | BusMaster | vadimkolchev, gnome-->xfce is not an "upgrade" except in the semantic sense :) |
| 16:07.30 | vadimkolchev | babilen, so as I understand, my gnome desktop will be preserved if I just upgrade and won't do fresh install? |
| 16:07.41 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: i'll try it out, thanks |
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| 16:07.43 | babilen | vadimkolchev: One thing to keep in mind though is that if you use Gnome2 right now that you will be upgraded to Gnome3 (the current stable release of Gnome). You can, naturally, switch to another desktop environment right now (e.g. XFCE, LXDE, ...), after the upgrade to Wheezy or stay with Gnome. |
| 16:07.44 | vadimkolchev | BusMaster, lol) |
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| 16:08.12 | vadimkolchev | babilen, I'm okay with gnome 3, thank you |
| 16:08.30 | vadimkolchev | babilen, actually I came from arch and used gnome 3 there |
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| 16:10.14 | babilen | vadimkolchev: Sure, I just wanted to point out your options. If you want to know more about wheezy, testing and unstable you might want to read <wheezy>, <squeeze->wheezy>, <testing>, <unstable> and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable/ |
| 16:10.20 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: did you verify the line in /etc/sysfs.conf was correct before rebooting, ie. were you able to set the value using /etc/init.d/sysfsutils start |
| 16:10.24 | babilen | vadimkolchev: (/msg dpkg testing) |
| 16:10.52 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: can I use sysctl for values in /sys instead of /proc/sys? |
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| 16:10.58 | jelly-home | no |
| 16:11.21 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: i want to change /sys not /proc/sys |
| 16:11.28 | jelly-home | I'm aware of that. |
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| 16:12.01 | vadimkolchev | babilen. Thank you. I didn't decide still, maybe when the time comes I just reinstall - got /home on different partition, so I won't have any worries. I've heard that fresh install is always better than upgrade |
| 16:12.12 | FilipeMaia | jelly-home: I see I was confusing /etc/sysfs.conf with /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 16:12.14 | Brigo | FilipeMaia: apt-cache show sysfsutils |
| 16:12.26 | Chris___ | nevermind, found it. chattr. |
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| 16:12.38 | jelly-home | FilipeMaia: hah. Next time, use copy/paste |
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| 16:13.17 | babilen | vadimkolchev: It certainly is more work and the result is most likely the similar :) |
| 16:14.10 | vadimkolchev | babilen, : ) okay, I think it's still plenty of time for me to decide |
| 16:14.29 | babilen | vadimkolchev: Sure (unless you upgrade now) -- Have fun and welcome to Debian. |
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| 16:15.40 | vadimkolchev | babilen, no, I have no need using unstable or testing - I'm happy with the versions of software I've got now. That's the point why I moved away from arch - bleeding-edge, but unstable. Thank you for welcome. |
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| 16:23.35 | somiaj | vadimkolchev: you do know about squeeze-backports -- very useful so you have a stable core but your one or two pieces of software you like newer. |
| 16:24.36 | vadimkolchev | somiaj, yes, I've heard about it, but I don't think I'll use it unless I really need it for some reason, but I'm using as a desktop, so I don't think there will be any reason for that |
| 16:25.32 | babilen | vadimkolchev: Yet another thing you might be interested in is http://mozilla.debian.net if you use Iceweasel as your browser. (but I think we should wait now until you actually ask a question) ;) |
| 16:25.39 | somiaj | ok, well lots of time I see people upgrade to testing when the piece of software they want can be easily backported (or is backported) to squeeze. |
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| 16:26.48 | babilen | somiaj: Yeah, backports and the possibility to create them yourself (cf. "/msg dpkg ssb") should be more widely known. |
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| 16:28.22 | vadimkolchev | babilen, somiaj, thank you very much |
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| 16:44.56 | cardamon | huh. |
| 16:45.01 | cardamon | My cursor froze. |
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| 16:48.46 | rgr | hmm. to go ssd or not. that is the question. |
| 16:49.09 | slyboots | rgr: If your going to go ssd, dont cheap out |
| 16:49.36 | rgr | backports are no where near as straightforward as you make out in many cases. libmobiledevice for squeeze proves that. |
| 16:49.38 | slyboots | has had good experiances with the "Crucial M4" range for a mix of performance/price |
| 16:49.42 | jelly-home | rgr: yes. Then you get to find out why your video _really_ stutters |
| 16:49.52 | rgr | slyboots: yeah I realise that. Ive been perusing. |
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| 16:50.13 | jelly-home | I had "good" experience with OSZ Vertex 2 until it died <g> |
| 16:50.17 | rgr | but Id love a nice quiet fast ssd in my new thinkpad. |
| 16:50.18 | jelly-home | OCZ* |
| 16:50.32 | rgr | The samsung 256g one for 200 euro on ebay looks nice. |
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| 16:50.45 | slyboots | I found the OCZ's to be terribel x.x |
| 16:50.55 | slyboots | I had a early one that was as slow as a mechanical drive :P |
| 16:51.06 | rgr | and it seems that there can be considerable battery sayvings too but again opinins differ. |
| 16:51.09 | liquidstone | i want to download debian (the cd version), which parts should i download? |
| 16:51.11 | jelly-home | now I have a Vertex 3 and supposedly extended warranty starting anew with this replacement device |
| 16:51.11 | slyboots | Uh anyway.. reason Im here heh.. |
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| 16:51.37 | slyboots | Im a bit of a linux... indermediate user, but for the last few years I've been using Ubuntu but with their move to Gnome3 it.. sucks awfully |
| 16:51.38 | rgr | the intel 512 series are getting good press too. |
| 16:51.45 | slyboots | Im curious if Debian might be a better fit for me |
| 16:52.04 | jelly-home | slyboots: no easy answer to that... try it and see |
| 16:52.11 | ahferroin7 | slyboots: try xubuntu, it uses XFCE which is more like GNOME 2 |
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| 16:52.15 | rgr | debian is nearly always a beter pick then ubuntu imo. depends on your hw and willingness to us ebackports and "non stable" |
| 16:52.31 | rgr | xfce is nothing like gnome 2 :) |
| 16:52.37 | slyboots | Well this is really just for me to use as a remote-desktop system |
| 16:52.40 | jelly-home | slyboots: you don't have to change the whole distro just to change the desktop environment |
| 16:52.44 | slyboots | (Not a server etc) |
| 16:53.05 | slyboots | So cutting-edge isnt a huge deal. But Im more in the mood for a "JustWorks" sort of thing |
| 16:53.10 | rgr | but as jelly says. Most distros allow you to configure all that stuf which some people then package as a *cough* "new distro". |
| 16:53.12 | jelly-home | slyboots: so try some other DE with your current distro |
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| 16:53.50 | nsadmin | slyboots, debian is probably better tested |
| 16:54.14 | rgr | btw jelly, I dd'd my old 2.5 drive in my asus to the 2.5 in the x121e and bingo .. just worked. took a while but great stuff. After the usual "f*** video is not working and neither is wireless" hurdles it all works great. Oh. And sound ;) |
| 16:54.19 | slyboots | nods, chinrubs "What about guides/manuals for getting started/teaking" |
| 16:54.30 | slyboots | Say I.. want to join Debain to a AD domain |
| 16:54.38 | jelly-home | liquidstone: if you have wired internet access at installation time, just use the 200MB-ish netinst image, or the combo 32+64bit image linked right from www.debian.org |
| 16:54.49 | rgr | probably? Thats the understatement of the year. Ubuntu is hardly ever tested and released on a fixed date regardless... pfft. |
| 16:54.56 | gnarface | in soviet debian AD domains join to you |
| 16:55.11 | ahferroin7 | rgr: I mean the ui is more like gnome 2 than unity/gnome 3 is |
| 16:55.31 | jelly-home | rgr: yeah, I did that with my old SSD, when it died I had to restore from file-based backups so I aligned the partitions properly |
| 16:55.45 | nsadmin | what's a ad domain? |
| 16:55.46 | liquidstone | jelly-home: i have dsl connection will it work during the install? |
| 16:55.52 | rgr | in that is not gnome 3. but there the similarities end. I stick with Gnome 2 on squeeze as I detest kde with a passion I normally save for chocolate.. |
| 16:55.55 | jelly-home | liquidstone: yes |
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| 16:56.12 | jelly-home | liquidstone: as long as you have a wired, ethernet connection to the router |
| 16:56.18 | slyboots | nsadmin: Active Directory domain controller |
| 16:56.22 | liquidstone | im using fedora, want to try debian :) |
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| 16:57.00 | jelly-home | liquidstone: I don't know how PPPoE works in the installer, if you're using that, read the install guide. Hell, read the i-g anyway |
| 16:57.02 | nsadmin | liquidstone, what are you using as a dsl modem? do you use pppoe? |
| 16:57.04 | jelly-home | !i-g liquidstone |
| 16:57.09 | jelly-home | !i-g |
| 16:57.09 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 16:57.15 | ghormoon | have anyone experienced that xen didn't create virbr0 (or xenbr0)? I haven't found much on the internet, usually problems ale between bridges, bud I didn't even manage to create the interfaces :-/ |
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| 16:58.14 | nsadmin | ghormoon, networking/bridges are separate from xen... so, you would have to arrange to start them |
| 16:58.25 | liquidstone | nsadmin: yes |
| 16:58.37 | nsadmin | to which question?" |
| 16:58.49 | liquidstone | yours |
| 16:58.53 | liquidstone | i use pppoe |
| 16:59.20 | ghormoon | well, maybe I've forgot some package iven thoug I've been installing it according to a guide :) |
| 16:59.32 | nsadmin | ok, and the dsl modem you use? is it in your machine or an outside box where you plug your phone line in?\ |
| 16:59.53 | jelly-home | liquidstone: http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/apds05.html.en |
| 17:00.10 | liquidstone | its outside box |
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| 17:00.41 | gnarface | slyboots: this is hearsay, mind you (i've never touched AD and you couldn't pay me enough to do so) but i've generally heard that most people just use an ldap server instead and make the AD clients talk to it (rather than the other way around) |
| 17:00.49 | nsadmin | liquidstone, ok. that could work pretty easily |
| 17:02.00 | liquidstone | im about to install debian in virtual machine, i'l write the impressions later :) |
| 17:02.15 | rgr | active directory is something thats been on my list of things to investigate for ages. |
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| 17:04.43 | slyboots | Iknow there are packages for Ubuntu that mostly "Justwork" (Give domain name, your done) |
| 17:05.09 | slyboots | Rather than tinkering with samba/winbind manually |
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| 17:07.40 | ghormoon | damn, ifdowning bridge kills also eth0? :) |
| 17:08.20 | nsadmin | ghormoon. kills? so not mentioned in ifconfig -a? |
| 17:09.08 | ghormoon | i've set it wrong (dhcp) and edited to manual, so i did ifdown virbr0 and cut off myself :D (i'm confing through ssh) |
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| 17:12.34 | ghormoon | damn, trebe is already bridge peth0-eth0 so i can't add virbr0 to bridge :-/ |
| 17:13.38 | donttrustem | I need to find out what the original password was for debian-sys-maint as I have changed it in the file by mistake. Is it visible in one of the mysql tables? |
| 17:13.51 | cardamon | So, still trying to diagnose my visual tearing issues. The only thing I've done that didn't tear as badly was videos in mplayer with vdpau. Turned off compositing. Don't have a DE. Flash and HTML5 still tear. |
| 17:14.02 | cardamon | Oh, and games. |
| 17:14.22 | cardamon | Tried nouveau, still tears. Back on nvidia, still tears. |
| 17:15.28 | ChrisH | donttrustem: IIRC its in there, but hashed. and IIRC2 google shows nice procedures on how to fix that |
| 17:16.17 | gnarface | cardamon: export __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 |
| 17:16.17 | donttrustem | ChrisH: could you point me to the fix please … I have tried quite a few |
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| 17:16.55 | donttrustem | ChrisH: been trying to fix it all day |
| 17:16.55 | ChrisH | donttrustem: http://www.buildblog.de/2009/04/20/mysql-das-debian-sys-maint-passwort-wiederherstellen/ is german is OK |
| 17:17.15 | donttrustem | is there an english version |
| 17:17.31 | ChrisH | donttrustem: I am searching |
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| 17:18.37 | ChrisH | donttrustem: http://blog.janjonas.net/2010-02-25/ubuntu-reset-debian-sys-maint-mysql-password is flagged ubuntu but looks OK to me |
| 17:19.30 | slyboots | Ok, well big problem Im going to have is.. Does Debian/Linux have something like RDP? |
| 17:20.00 | donttrustem | ChrisH: OK .. I will try but I cannot login as root so I have to start mysql in safe |
| 17:20.01 | slyboots | Im running this OS on a ESXI host, so I need a remote-connection technology that will handle the graphical interface in a timly fashion (So not vnc) :P |
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| 17:20.04 | jeep | slyboots: yes many options |
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| 17:20.41 | slyboots | RDP would be nice, but since thats a windows technology Im assuming that wont work |
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| 17:21.17 | donttrustem | ChrisH: ERROR 1290 (HY000): The MySQL server is running with the --skip-grant-tables option so it cannot execute this statement |
| 17:21.39 | jeep | slyboots: there are rdp clients |
| 17:21.41 | ghormoon | according to this http://www.sparksupport.com/blog/xen-bridging script /etc/xen/scripts/network-bridge should create xenbr0, but i don't see it anywhere :( |
| 17:21.42 | cardamon | gnarface: bashrc? |
| 17:22.02 | slyboots | jeep: No-no.. I want to connect *to* the Debain machine. not the other way around |
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| 17:22.41 | jeep | slyboots: thats covered too |
| 17:23.07 | darsie | My clock app shows a sun with a 'clear sky' tool tip 8 minutes after sun set. |
| 17:23.12 | slyboots | jeep: Really? |
| 17:23.12 | cardamon | slyboots: We've got that. Most of us prefer to avoid GUI remotes anyway. |
| 17:23.19 | cardamon | slyboots: They're slow. |
| 17:23.25 | cardamon | We just use ssh. |
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| 17:23.30 | slyboots | Well I can SSH in, but for a GUI interface thats not going to work really well |
| 17:23.31 | ChrisH | donttrustem: do you still have /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 17:23.43 | nsadmin | darsie, could it be your clock is 12h off? |
| 17:23.45 | jeep | slyboots: ssh is better for 90% of things |
| 17:23.47 | donttrustem | ChrisH: yeah but the password is wrong |
| 17:23.48 | gnarface | cardamon: i've got mine in ~/.bash_profile but whatever works |
| 17:23.52 | darsie | nsadmin: no |
| 17:23.52 | cardamon | slyboots: There's X forwarding with ssh, but it's also slow. |
| 17:24.07 | cardamon | gnarface: will try later. |
| 17:24.09 | gnarface | cardamon: the nvidia-settings tool that comes with the driver should be able to do this for you with a nice gui, fyi |
| 17:24.20 | nsadmin | darsie, show output of date and date -u |
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| 17:24.34 | gnarface | cardamon: (but then you'd have to start it every time you start Xorg) |
| 17:24.35 | cardamon | gnarface: Yeah, I have that too. It loads the config when xmonad starts up. |
| 17:24.36 | donttrustem | ChrisH: mysql will not let me login as root |
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| 17:24.40 | darsie | nsadmin: It's 19:24 and the clock says 'sunset: 19:15'. |
| 17:24.55 | cardamon | nvidia-settings -l |
| 17:25.08 | darsie | Mon Sep 10 19:24:50 CEST 2012 Mon Sep 10 17:24:51 UTC 2012 |
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| 17:25.17 | gnarface | cardamon: nvidia-glx supports a few other __GL* env variables that you might find useful. you really outta read the README.txt |
| 17:25.22 | donttrustem | ChrisH: can I start mysql without using the debian.cnf |
| 17:25.42 | nsadmin | darsie, the utc one looks good... does the cest one? |
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| 17:25.53 | jeep | darsie: sunset changes based on elevation sunset doesnt exactly match outside conditions |
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| 17:26.19 | donttrustem | ChrisH: I can then login as root and fix the debian-sys-maint password |
| 17:26.23 | ChrisH | donttrustem: http://mirzmaster.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/mysql-access-denied-for-user-debian-sys-maintlocalhost/ looks like what you are searching for... Use it the other way round |
| 17:26.35 | ChrisH | donttrustem: need to bring kids to bed |
| 17:26.38 | darsie | nsadmin: My radio controlled clock says 19:26. |
| 17:26.54 | JoeHazzers | 18:26:38 < darsie> nsadmin: My radio controlled clock says 19:26. |
| 17:26.56 | JoeHazzers | seems legit |
| 17:27.04 | cardamon | mplayer or mplayer2? |
| 17:27.18 | darsie | jeep: But when the sunset as claimed by the clock applet has passed, it's strange to see the sun symbol. |
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| 17:28.11 | darsie | It doesn't really bother me. It's just curious. |
| 17:28.25 | darsie | s/curious/weird. |
| 17:29.08 | jeep | darsie: it may be getting that data from two diffrent locations clock applet goes strictly by time perhaps.. the symbol goes by actual conditions |
| 17:29.10 | nsadmin | darsie, ok, so we've determined your clock and time zone are set properly... so I'll agree, the applet is weird |
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| 17:29.37 | jeep | darsie: might be soemthing in the docs .. |
| 17:30.22 | darsie | The actual sun has set, too. |
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| 17:30.43 | jeep | darsie: then its just pooched! |
| 17:31.18 | darsie | The dictionary does not contain any entries for 'pooched' . |
| 17:31.42 | darsie | pooch is a dog. |
| 17:31.58 | nsadmin | if a noun :) |
| 17:32.02 | jeep | darsie: its polite slang for f'd up |
| 17:32.08 | darsie | ic :) |
| 17:32.13 | wonderworld | is there a way to securely delete a file from a journaling filesystem without dd'ing the whole disk? |
| 17:32.30 | nsadmin | so you'd never say "pooched eggs"? |
| 17:32.53 | ghormoon | well i'm trying to boot it at least without ethernet but it stays for quite long on mapping vram to f0000000 - f0400000 platform_fixed_ioport: changed ro/rw state of ROM memory area. now is rw state. platform_fixed_ioport: changed ro/rw state of ROM memory area. now is ro state. |
| 17:32.55 | ghormoon | is it normal? |
| 17:33.00 | ahferroin7 | wonderworld: there's a program called `wipe` that can do it |
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| 17:33.06 | darsie | wonderworld: Depends on the file system, I'd say. |
| 17:33.06 | jeep | wonderworld: your wife found your porn collection i guess |
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| 17:33.30 | wonderworld | i'd want to do it with ext4 |
| 17:33.37 | wonderworld | seems to be impossible |
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| 17:33.44 | ChrisH | donttrustem: any success? |
| 17:33.51 | donttrustem | ChrisH: All fixed thanks for your help |
| 17:33.53 | wonderworld | jeep: large parts of my porn collection have been downloaded by my wife ;) |
| 17:34.09 | donttrustem | I had to reset the root password first .. |
| 17:34.15 | somiaj | wonderworld: any reason you can't just dd or cat 0's to the actual file (As opposed to the whole dsk) |
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| 17:34.40 | somiaj | or /dev/random if you want to just fill the location of the file on the disk with random data |
| 17:34.58 | ahferroin7 | wonderworld: also, you could try dd'ing /dev/urandom just to the file itself and specify the proper bs and count options |
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| 17:35.08 | wonderworld | somiaj: yes, because journaling file systems have a copy of files in the journal |
| 17:35.16 | wonderworld | so zeroing the actual file isn't enough |
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| 17:35.56 | wonderworld | maybe not all of them, need to read it up |
| 17:36.03 | wonderworld | thought someone would know |
| 17:36.07 | ChrisH | wonderworld: are you sure? is not only the Meta data in journal? |
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| 17:36.27 | ahferroin7 | wonderworld: so sync both before and after, also what you are thinking of is a snapshoting filesystem, not a journaling one |
| 17:36.43 | somiaj | well zeoring the file just zeros the temp location in the journal, then once the file is closed the file system writes the journal to the actual file. So there is probabaly a way to flush the journal and cause it to overwrite the actual file |
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| 17:36.53 | wonderworld | no, not really sure, just read the warning about ext3 in "man shred" |
| 17:37.02 | somiaj | so it isn't the journal contains a copy of the orignal file, you write to the journal first then push the updates to the file. |
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| 17:37.42 | wonderworld | i see. so there is only to find out how to flush the journal i guess |
| 17:37.51 | somiaj | I belive sync does that, but maybe you need more. |
| 17:38.42 | darsie | Does a journalling file system have half the write speed, and needs to write everything twice? |
| 17:38.48 | wonderworld | ahh, didn't read enough.... there is a data=journal mode in ext3 that would cause this problem. |
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| 17:38.51 | wonderworld | it's not default |
| 17:39.14 | ChrisH | wonderworld: depending on your level of paranoia, you might want to use crypted disks. from man shred, I read its not the default to journal data only meta data to avoid the fsck |
| 17:39.27 | somiaj | darsie: they do things to maximize the speed so it isn't twice as slow .. partly because you only need to record changes (not the whole file) |
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| 17:40.12 | ChrisH | wonderworld: Things are totaly different for a copy-on-write FS like ZFS or btrfs (I'm not in btrfs) |
| 17:40.14 | wonderworld | ChrisH: yes, i am using encryption anyway, but was wondering if it's really *that* hard to just delete a single file from the system :) |
| 17:40.27 | somiaj | darsie: but depending on the journling setup yes they could end up writting everythign twice. But the idea is the journal is supose to be big enough they can do the second write durning idel times -- though there is a bit of different ways this is implemented...even reading about using a second drive as the journaling drive, but here you are almost getting into raids. |
| 17:40.51 | ChrisH | wonderworld: do be reeeealy sure, get a hammer out and .. you know :) |
| 17:41.04 | wonderworld | hehe. magents work too. saw breaking bad |
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| 17:41.33 | ahferroin7 | wonderworld: default journal size for ext4 is 128M, so just `dd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/filesystem/tmp bs=1M count=128 && rm /path/to/filesystem/tmp` |
| 17:41.46 | darsie | Heating the disk above curie temperature is safe. |
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| 17:41.48 | cardamon | Are we still talking about deletions? |
| 17:41.57 | cardamon | darsie: There's always thermite. |
| 17:42.03 | somiaj | I use to know a guy who would take every floppy drive he was done with and use programs to cat /dev/random to it at least 6 times to ensure that the residue magnitic fields could not be used to recover his data by the fbi |
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| 17:42.51 | cardamon | somiaj: Man, three passes of dd and I'm calling it a paperweight. |
| 17:42.53 | ChrisH | somiaj: sounds like another urban legend... this overwrite 6 times.. |
| 17:43.01 | darsie | There are better patterns than random to overwrite securely. |
| 17:43.03 | jeep | somiaj:was he just paranoid .. or he had illegal hobbies ? |
| 17:43.32 | cardamon | Besides, if you have security concerns, you encrypt first. |
| 17:43.50 | pzn | I think my server is "overloaded"... I get some start-of-tcp connection timeouts/failures. This server is a nagios server monitoring 1600 services (and information comes from tcp sockets). how to debug this? |
| 17:43.52 | somiaj | ChrisH: for the most part one pass is enough there I guess there is some magnitic residue that could be detected by really expensive topics, still be really hard to get anything useful |
| 17:44.27 | ChrisH | back ontopic... Anyone having a good working link on how to recover from a remote Amanda server to a local system? |
| 17:44.42 | somiaj | jeep: yea just a urban legend, he use to sit around and listen to art bell about consipircy theories all the time. He was an ex cop, so not really illegale activities, just loved paranoia |
| 17:44.49 | ghormoon | is there any way to find out, why VM powered off? on xend.log i see this http://paste.debian.net/189126/ (when i start the VM, it takes whole one cpu for about 40s and then stops ...) |
| 17:44.58 | cardamon | Oh Mandy, you came and you gave without taking...but I sent you away! |
| 17:46.44 | ChrisH | pzn: can you pastebin the output from to top -n 1; free ; LANG=C netstat -an | grep -c EST |
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| 17:52.27 | thetrizomath | y'a qqun |
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| 18:03.09 | dizzylizzy | hmm, maybe I shouldn't use the debian-multimedia repos. It seems like some change to some part of gstreamer has made handbrake no longer function |
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| 18:08.24 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: they are known to cause at least as many problems as they are intended to solve |
| 18:08.52 | gnarface | dizzylizzy: they're not an official part of debian and have recently been renamed 'deb-multimedia' to avoid the ambiguity |
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| 18:09.53 | jelly-home | and yet they still have better builds of ffmpeg, mplayer and mplayer2 than debian |
| 18:10.19 | gnarface | generally yes, but where they fail often is in the stock dependencies |
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| 18:10.58 | dizzylizzy | gnarface, all right, thanks |
| 18:11.04 | jelly-home | oh most definitely, it can be a pain to guess which debian package is broken because of ABI failuers |
| 18:11.19 | dizzylizzy | breathes out slowly |
| 18:11.26 | gnarface | i agree, and it can also be a pain in the ass to build ffmpeg |
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| 18:12.45 | jelly-home | IMHO, if I have to build it, the distro has already lost |
| 18:12.48 | masss | ciao |
| 18:12.51 | masss | !list |
| 18:12.51 | dpkg | masss: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 18:13.04 | dizzylizzy | i should have stuck with exclusively debian, and then compiled custom builds of certain packages |
| 18:13.36 | gnarface | that's what i've had the most luck with |
| 18:13.46 | gnarface | basically only ever need to for wine and ffmpeg though |
| 18:13.53 | jelly-home | when d-m package horribly confused vlc builds... the answer was apparently to also build vlc |
| 18:14.23 | jelly-home | I guess the next step might be to build and provide the whole of gstreamer in d-m |
| 18:14.24 | jordanm | that's what vlc recommends, but I have never had issues with packaged vlc |
| 18:14.28 | jordanm | I do build my own wine though.. |
| 18:14.40 | jelly-home | ,v wine-unstable |
| 18:14.41 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 18:14.48 | jelly-home | eh... not horribly old |
| 18:14.52 | gnarface | i haven't had issues with the packaged vlc for at least ... maybe 5 years even |
| 18:15.01 | jordanm | jelly-home: its getting better since the recent... -devel rant |
| 18:15.03 | gnarface | well no *serious* issues |
| 18:15.10 | jelly-home | gnarface: ever tried to transcode or re-stream anything? |
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| 18:15.54 | gnarface | jelly-home: through vlc? yea its really fragile, but it works if you read the streaming features/codec compatibility charts and make sure the outgoing and incoming vlc versions are *identical* |
| 18:16.00 | jelly-home | ,v wine |
| 18:16.01 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; sid: 1.4.1-2; wheezy: 1.4.1-2 |
| 18:16.40 | jelly-home | I can now wine fr030-candytron-final-101.exe |
| 18:16.42 | gnarface | generally uses ffmpeg for streaming though |
| 18:16.59 | somiaj | there is also wine-unstable if you want 1.5 -- though you will have to backport either of those packages to squeeze. |
| 18:17.14 | jelly-home | it's not good enough for wine elevated_1024x768.exe, but I suspect it's the hardware's fault |
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| 18:18.12 | gnarface | i'm still trying to figure out how to get a working winegcc installed via debian packages in amd64 (without the action auto uninstalling wine-unstable) |
| 18:18.12 | pzn | ChrisH, I'm collecting this data in a 10 minutes interval, to check for peaks |
| 18:19.05 | jelly-home | gnarface: I'm not going for amd64 until multiarch Just Works |
| 18:19.54 | gnarface | jelly-home: that's probably wise. nvidia-glx's dependencies are all broken and so are half of the wine build deps that used to be in ia32-libs-devl |
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| 18:20.03 | gnarface | er, ia32-lib-dev or whatever it was called |
| 18:20.12 | somiaj | yea the multiarch transition has been a bit of a pain, but really it is working just fine, have wine + diablo3 working just fine |
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| 18:20.43 | somiaj | nvidia-glx just required a single libary to be multiarch that wasn't. Look at the bug reports, you'll find unoffical multiarch version of that lib and can install it just fine |
| 18:20.45 | gnarface | the only thing the nvidia conflict has permanently broken for me is CUDA support (which i was only using for one game) |
| 18:20.48 | jelly-home | is there a version of tcptraceroute that works for ipv6? |
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| 18:21.22 | gnarface | jelly-home: i thought the default traceroute is traceroute6 now? |
| 18:21.32 | jelly-home | gnarface: I don't want the udp one. |
| 18:21.40 | Dagger2 | # dpkg -S `which tcptraceroute6` |
| 18:21.41 | Dagger2 | ndisc6: /usr/bin/tcptraceroute6 |
| 18:21.46 | gnarface | jelly-home: uh... -T? |
| 18:21.50 | format_c | !tell jelly-home about ndisc6 |
| 18:21.53 | Dagger2 | uh... well, ok, that wasn't the package I was expecting it to be in, but there you go |
| 18:22.11 | format_c | well too late |
| 18:22.13 | format_c | :-) |
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| 18:22.38 | gnarface | i was pretty sure traceroute does both tcp and udp |
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| 18:22.51 | gnarface | you just have to pass -T (and be root) |
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| 18:23.41 | jelly-home | Dagger2: thanks, that works |
| 18:24.05 | jelly-home | gnarface: neither of the two traceroutes I had laready did ipv6 |
| 18:24.12 | jelly-home | erm. tcptraceroutes* |
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| 18:24.58 | jelly-home | format_c: dpkg does not know about ndisc6 |
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| 18:25.29 | format_c | jelly-home, yes in fact I'm lacking the commands dpkg is aware of :-) |
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| 18:26.40 | sephii | my computer takes ages to shutdown (at least 1 minute just to kill X), do you have a hint that could help me find out what's going on? |
| 18:27.03 | jelly-home | format_c: ircbots.debian.net |
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| 18:28.36 | format_c | jelly-home, thx |
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| 18:30.58 | war9407 | hi, running a xeon board, when cpu-freq is unloaded, the cpus like to go down to 1.6ghz even though I have the MINCPUSPEED set to 3.1ghz, this results in bits of lag everytime I do something for the first time, waiting for the CPU to spin up, thoughts on how to avoid this without turning cpufreq off as I want turbo boost capability? |
| 18:31.35 | war9407 | when its loaded* rather |
| 18:31.47 | sephii | I guess I could add some logging in /etc/init.d/rc*.d/ files but isn't there a "shutdown log" somewhere? |
| 18:32.14 | Zeeflo | hello guys |
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| 18:32.55 | Zeeflo | war9407, just a thought = perhaps a bios setting? |
| 18:33.11 | somiaj | sephii: try to figure out what is taking so long. Do you have low memory and a lot of memeory is being swapped? |
| 18:33.16 | war9407 | Zeeflo: perhaps.. will look into the manual |
| 18:33.19 | Zeeflo | from what I remember/recall, eco is 1.6 ghz in bios |
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| 18:35.05 | sephii | somiaj: no, I have plenty of free RAM and I always close all my applications manually before shutting down. It looks more like something waiting for a timeout or something like that |
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| 18:35.40 | somiaj | sephii: well you say it takes X a long time to shut down, why not play around with manually running the shutdown scripts |
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| 18:35.51 | somiaj | sephii: try '/etc/init.d/gdm3 stop' or whatever your display manager is |
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| 18:36.01 | somiaj | sephii: ways to isolate what script is causing the hangup |
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| 18:38.01 | Zeeflo | i always do a killall -9 application |
| 18:38.14 | Zeeflo | that works.. |
| 18:38.38 | Zeeflo | as a last resort, anyways.. |
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| 18:40.06 | sephii | somiaj: I'll try that, maybe trying to go from init 5 to init 3 could already give a clue... thanks |
| 18:41.02 | somiaj | umm, by default debian multiuser run levels are all the same, so have you done some specal configuration to make different run levels have different startup/shutdown programs? |
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| 18:46.51 | sephii | somiaj: nope, I didn't. I'm just used to the fact that going from init 5 to init 3 kills at least kdm/gdm/whatever |
| 18:47.51 | somiaj | well it should kill it and then restart it |
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| 18:51.11 | sephii | so what's the proper way to run every kill script? executing each script in /etc/init.d/rc1.d/ sequentially and check where it hangs? |
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| 18:52.04 | pzn | war9407, I'm not a specialist, and I never used changing-speed cpus in PCs... however in general processors, the "spin-up" process of going from low->high speed takes nano or microseconds. you shouldn't notice any delay. maybe your delay is because other factors (first time the program needs to be loaded from HD, second time program is loaded from RAM) or other factors |
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| 18:53.07 | somiaj | yea my processor spins up and down by itself, cat /proc/cpuinfo is intersting, can totally tell when a core is idel as my speed drops to lke 800mHz |
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| 18:53.41 | gnarface | the default cpu governor enforces a measured delay incremental stepup to max speed. this isn't really the behavior most windows/mac users are used to |
| 18:53.52 | somiaj | hmm funny my desktop drops speeds just fine, my laptop doesn't...must be why it eats so much power. |
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| 18:54.25 | gnarface | i prefer the powernowd userspace governor, its a bit more sane (instant step-up to max speed then incremental delay step back down at idle) |
| 18:54.39 | specing | somiaj: is it pentium? pentium is crap. |
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| 18:55.08 | gnarface | hmm. g4 ppc chips have a notably HUGE latency on changing speeds |
| 18:55.14 | gnarface | most modern stuff is pretty fast |
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| 18:55.34 | gnarface | amd chips won't even hitch |
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| 19:04.49 | ech0s7 | hi |
| 19:04.55 | format_c | hi |
| 19:05.11 | ech0s7 | i'm using debian as access point for a lot of mobile device
it's possible to change on fly all http response ? |
| 19:06.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 19:06.29 | gnarface | ech0s7: yes, it is. you can have an active proxy (most people just write perl scripts) |
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| 19:07.00 | wonderworld | ech0s7: what kind of response do you want to send? |
| 19:07.13 | gnarface | assumes he wants to replace all GET requests with cat images or force redirection to a payment gateway or something |
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| 19:07.30 | ech0s7 | wonderworld, i would modify the response if the content of http resonse is an HTML page |
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| 19:07.54 | ech0s7 | i'm a C,C++,Java developer |
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| 19:08.21 | ech0s7 | and I'm going to write this program in C |
| 19:08.38 | ech0s7 | the problem is where put this program, between what ? |
| 19:09.14 | wonderworld | hmm. access point -> iptables -> your code -> proxy -> world ? |
| 19:09.32 | gnarface | something like that |
| 19:09.42 | jelly-home | ech0s7: you want to munge http on the fly? a) mod_proxy_html b) why? |
| 19:09.58 | gnarface | there are almost no non-evil reasons to do this |
| 19:10.05 | ech0s7 | jelly-home, i'm not the web server, i'm access point |
| 19:10.09 | gnarface | but its popular to replace upstream banner ads with your own |
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| 19:10.28 | ech0s7 | yes, the goal is replace banner |
| 19:10.41 | wonderworld | I'd love to have a random porn pic on every page i vidit. |
| 19:10.46 | jelly-home | gnarface: oh there are, if you have stupid legacy URLs and legacy apps expecting to see exactly the right content |
| 19:10.47 | ech0s7 | for the people that have access to my access point |
| 19:10.50 | gnarface | i saw a really funny one that just used libgd or something to rotate all images 180 degrees |
| 19:10.52 | ech0s7 | wonderworld, :) |
| 19:10.55 | jagginess | smart webpages that "use" ads would refuse to work properly without the client loading them.. |
| 19:11.16 | jelly-home | ech0s7: read about using squid in transparent proy mode. |
| 19:11.20 | jelly-home | proxy* |
| 19:11.48 | jelly-home | ech0s7: for a silly example, google upside-down-ternet |
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| 19:12.29 | jelly-home | I thought you were the content provider for a moment |
| 19:13.03 | ech0s7 | jelly-home, no i'm not the content provider, i'm only access point for internet |
| 19:13.32 | ech0s7 | client->access_point(my debian box)->Internet |
| 19:13.35 | gnarface | ech0s7: be careful. in some locales interfering with the ads may be illegal |
| 19:13.54 | gnarface | ech0s7: and even if its not in your locale, your ISP may frown on it |
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| 19:14.22 | jelly-home | huh, why would they -- it's his AP |
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| 19:14.38 | war9407 | Zeeflo: it was on eco-mode, still testing but C6 and C7 were enabled, I set it up to mimic my other supermicro (super board) and so far it seems better, still testing.. |
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| 19:14.51 | ahferroin7 | jelly-home: because some ISP's do it themselves |
| 19:14.53 | war9407 | C6+C7 excellent energy saver etc, but makes horrible lag when using X etc |
| 19:15.11 | jelly-home | ahferroin7: I bet they don't replace all images with horse pron tho |
| 19:15.19 | gnarface | bwahaha |
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| 19:16.31 | ech0s7 | jelly-home, i think this is what i would do |
| 19:16.31 | ech0s7 | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
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| 19:26.08 | francesco_ | Hello. |
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| 19:27.22 | format_c | hi |
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| 19:29.29 | francesco_ | Hello, I would like some advice. I am interested in installing Debian in my PC. At the moment, I use Ubuntu as Linux OS. I would like some info, and in particular if it is difficult to install. I know, it is a silly question. |
| 19:29.55 | specing | Its *very* easy to install |
| 19:30.07 | greycat | If the PC has a CD-ROM drive, and if your network card and disk controller are supported by the installer's kernel, it should be easy. |
| 19:30.38 | francesco_ | Is Debia like Ubuntu, or different. |
| 19:30.41 | francesco_ | ? |
| 19:30.46 | greycat | Ubuntu is based on Debian. |
| 19:30.46 | specing | francesco_: did ubuntu install into the flat disk (/dev/sdXN) or LVM (/dev/vg-*/*)? |
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| 19:31.14 | francesco_ | specing ??? |
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| 19:32.22 | francesco_ | Sorry, if I am not familiar with the PC jargon. I have Ubuntu installed in my PC, with a double partition. I have Windows also. |
| 19:32.32 | specing | francesco_: mount | grep ' / ' |
| 19:32.42 | specing | francesco_: This is no PC jargon |
| 19:33.08 | themill | LVM is not jargon now? wow... |
| 19:33.21 | greycat | It's Linux jargon, not PC jargon, is the point. |
| 19:33.27 | jagginess | !ubuntu |
| 19:33.28 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 19:33.39 | themill | jagginess: unhelpful. |
| 19:34.02 | jagginess | thought he just came in |
| 19:34.07 | Zeeflo | !wheezy |
| 19:34.07 | dpkg | The release following squeeze will be called "wheezy" (the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie) and will be Debian 7.0. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Ask me about <testing>, <freeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy #debian-next on irc.debian.org. |
| 19:34.13 | specing | francesco_: how much space on your harddrive is currently used by ubuntu and how large is it? |
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| 19:34.37 | francesco_ | specing, This is what I am worried about: my PC is a little old. I should change it, actually. I am worried that installing the last version of Debian, it will be to heavy for my PC. I am not installing updates for a long time for this reason. |
| 19:34.46 | Zeeflo | !gentoo |
| 19:34.46 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. See http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ , http://bash.org/?464385 , http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg , or rice rice rice rice, or ask me about <greenhouse>, <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:34.47 | jagginess | francesco_, ubuntu is sort of diverging, they're using "upstart" in their startup scripts, and lightdm, and soon they'll use "wayland" for their X server.. so in a way, i say they're getting more and more different.. |
| 19:34.58 | themill | Zeeflo: you can chat to dpkg in /msg |
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| 19:35.05 | greycat | Being a little old is a GOOD thing, actually. It means the hardware is likely to be well supported. |
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| 19:35.21 | greycat | It's the brand new machines that are the problems. |
| 19:35.34 | daemon | hey all I just installed exim4, it installed with a bizzare split config file seperating the file into sub sections under directories |
| 19:35.40 | daemon | I would like the traditional 'one file' config |
| 19:35.44 | daemon | how can I get it to do that for me |
| 19:35.51 | jagginess | daemon, it can use the one file configuration. |
| 19:35.58 | dkr | daemon: hrm, it used to ask you which way you wnted it during install |
| 19:35.58 | jagginess | daemon, /usr/share/doc/exim* |
| 19:36.02 | francesco_ | greycat, I have noticed that installing updates my PC got a little slow. That's why I keep now an old realese of Ubuntu in my PC. That's my point. |
| 19:36.04 | greycat | daemon: dpkg-reconfigure exim-config I think |
| 19:36.21 | abrotman | francesco_: are you using Debian at all? |
| 19:36.25 | jagginess | daemon, the spit or not split can be set in /etc/default/exi* if i recall properly.. |
| 19:36.32 | jagginess | daemon, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:36.35 | specing | francesco_: the reason Im asking you that is because you could shrink the ubuntu partition and install debian side-by-side with it |
| 19:36.44 | francesco_ | abrotman, n. |
| 19:37.01 | abrotman | francesco_: Do you want to run Debian? |
| 19:37.05 | francesco_ | Spec, I don't know if I have enough space. |
| 19:37.14 | specing | francesco_: Also you could consider using a lightweight window manager instead of GNOME |
| 19:37.25 | jagginess | francesco_, you don't* have to use the macros there, you can actually recreate if from plain scratch if you even wish to.. |
| 19:37.33 | specing | francesco_: basic graphical install is about 2 gigabytes |
| 19:37.34 | jagginess | ,/it from/ |
| 19:37.45 | francesco_ | abrotman, I have heard that a friend installed Debian, and his PC has risen from the death, so he says. |
| 19:37.47 | jagginess | f |
| 19:37.52 | jagginess | daemon, i meant to say that to you |
| 19:37.59 | Zeeflo | for servers, thers only debian! |
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| 19:38.07 | specing | Zeeflo: I run more that 5 Gentoos :D |
| 19:38.07 | jagginess | daemon, (you can even start the one main config from scracth if you wish to) |
| 19:38.10 | abrotman | Zeeflo: do you need help with Debian ? |
| 19:38.39 | Zeeflo | specing: according to dpkg, you shouldnt run more than 1 gen2 server ;) |
| 19:38.41 | specing | And I know a guy who does enterprise webhosting on Gentoo |
| 19:38.44 | Zeeflo | abrotman: no |
| 19:38.45 | abrotman | ... |
| 19:39.00 | abrotman | Zeeflo: perhaps you wanted to use #defocus for general chitchat, this is a Debian support channel |
| 19:39.21 | Zeeflo | abrotman: noted, but thank you |
| 19:39.27 | abrotman | Zeeflo: please stay on topic |
| 19:39.33 | francesco_ | specing, Perhaps I should ask another question, I don't now if this is the proper channel to ask. Why I noticed that when I install updates with Ubunti my PC gets slower? |
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| 19:39.48 | abrotman | francesco_: if you want to know about what Ubuntu does to your machine, you'll ask #ubuntu |
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| 19:40.15 | francesco_ | abramart, proper answer. :D |
| 19:40.18 | specing | francesco_: because you use GNOME, which is totaly bloated |
| 19:40.19 | r3m | abrotman: can i ask you something in private |
| 19:40.29 | abrotman | r3m: yes |
| 19:40.37 | jagginess | yeah.. it sounds more like he's trying to understand the differences.. i already mentioned vital ones.. but still if he needs help on #ubuntu. i'm there. |
| 19:40.46 | jagginess | says anyone can go to #ubuntu, he's there too |
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| 19:41.05 | jagginess | ok i use both hahaha |
| 19:41.07 | specing | Yeah, I should practice some trolling on #ubuntu |
| 19:41.23 | themill | specing: :( |
| 19:41.30 | abrotman | specing: you're nearing a ban here |
| 19:41.41 | francesco_ | specing, Another question: did you experience the same behaviour with Debian? :) |
| 19:41.50 | specing | Its a miracle I haven't been banned yet ;P |
| 19:41.56 | specing | francesco_: what behaviour? |
| 19:42.06 | Zeeflo | as i understand it, ubuntu has more specific support for their releases as they have a coorporation behind it.. Debian is purely community supported which can be good for some, but bad for others.. |
| 19:42.07 | specing | francesco_: debian + awesomeWM = racecar. |
| 19:42.27 | Zeeflo | also, why would you run something thats build on debian, why not just run debian? |
| 19:42.27 | specing | francesco_: this is on an old Pentium4 3GHz |
| 19:42.27 | francesco_ | specing, the PC getting slow when updating it. |
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| 19:42.45 | specing | francesco_: the problem is the gnome bloat |
| 19:43.00 | specing | with all its fancy effects and stuff like that |
| 19:43.04 | format_c | Ne das geht eigentlich immer 1a von der Hand |
| 19:43.19 | format_c | ups wrong tab |
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| 19:43.24 | francesco_ | specing, do you mean that you normally use the console? |
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| 19:43.47 | specing | Im a sysadmin, francesco_, the "console" is my home. |
| 19:44.02 | greycat | A lot of people use X but don't use GNOME or KDE. |
| 19:44.11 | francesco_ | specing, sorry. :) |
| 19:44.37 | specing | I have no other use for a graphical interface than putting lots and lots of terminals next to eachother |
| 19:44.39 | Zeeflo | does anyone here know where I can go for ffmpeg support? |
| 19:44.45 | abrotman | #ffmpeg ? |
| 19:44.46 | Zeeflo | troubleshooting |
| 19:44.52 | francesco_ | specing, greycat, so, if I understand correctly, you are saying that is the interface that slow down my PC. |
| 19:44.58 | Zeeflo | ah shit.. didnt even notice the channel :D |
| 19:45.01 | Zeeflo | thank you |
| 19:45.05 | specing | francesco_: yep |
| 19:45.07 | greycat | francesco_: It's a strong possibility. |
| 19:45.14 | jagginess | francesco_, install debian, you're forgetting this :) |
| 19:45.25 | specing | Its always the graphics' fault |
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| 19:46.09 | francesco_ | specing, greycat, I see. How do I change the graphics manually? When I install an update, I can't choose the interface that I want. |
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| 19:46.53 | abrotman | perhaps he should install Debian first? |
| 19:47.10 | jagginess | yeah.. i think he's forgetting that haha |
| 19:47.15 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 19:47.18 | greycat | He should either install debian, or go to #ubuntu (or ##ubuntu or whatever). |
| 19:47.24 | abrotman | ###ubuntu ? |
| 19:47.49 | specing | francesco_: shrink the ubuntu drive, adjust the partitions, add a new partition in the free space, install debian there |
| 19:47.50 | francesco_ | abramart, I understand that. Otherwise, I should ask on #ubuntu. :D You're right. But how do I do it normally? |
| 19:48.01 | specing | francesco_: If you don't like it, you can just go back to ubuntu |
| 19:48.24 | jagginess | francesco_, you can use gparted live cd (google), to shrink partitions |
| 19:48.38 | User_420 | gparted live is nice |
| 19:48.43 | greycat | francesco_: there is no such thing as "normally". You would have to ask #ubuntu how to run something other than GNOME on your Ubuntu system. |
| 19:48.56 | francesco_ | specing, I already have another partition with Windows. I don't have much space. I should try to install Debian fron the beginning. |
| 19:49.06 | greycat | It might be hard, or it might be easy. I really don't know. |
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| 19:49.13 | francesco_ | greycat, You are right. |
| 19:49.15 | _ramok | hi |
| 19:49.16 | specing | you could also install it to an USB stick |
| 19:49.23 | specing | And enjoy the sound of SILENCE |
| 19:49.53 | _ramok | i'm somehow getting this error when trying to connect ot my server: Fehler 137 (net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED) ... what could that be? i can connect via ssh, but not via webbrowser |
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| 19:50.45 | specing | _ramok: are you connecting via its hostname @ssh? |
| 19:50.51 | specing | or IP? |
| 19:51.03 | _ramok | specing: ip |
| 19:51.05 | francesco_ | Pertinent question. Why Debian graphical interface is not as "heavy" as the Ubuntu one? Can you choose the interface that you like most. Do you have limitations if you want to use graphical functionalities, like videos, etc.? |
| 19:51.08 | jelly-home | _ramok: does "getent hosts your-server-full-name" work? |
| 19:51.36 | _ramok | jelly-home: yes |
| 19:51.47 | greycat | You can use whatever window manager or desktop environment you want. |
| 19:51.49 | jelly-home | _ramok: then it ought to workin the browser as well |
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| 19:52.04 | jagginess | francesco_, i already said, ubuntu is irrelevant to compare to. It's becoming more and more divergent. (I told you more than 10 minutes ago the main differences) |
| 19:52.07 | _ramok | jelly-home: try itembase.com |
| 19:52.12 | _ramok | did you get a cool result?= |
| 19:52.16 | _ramok | or just error 137 ? |
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| 19:52.23 | jelly-home | _ramok: without "www."? |
| 19:52.25 | francesco_ | jagginess, sorry. |
| 19:52.31 | specing | _ramok: Well then, isn't it obvious that if it says that name lookup failed that your DNS setup is broken? |
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| 19:52.51 | _ramok | it's a godaddy problem |
| 19:53.11 | jelly-home | _ramok: seems to work |
| 19:53.15 | greycat | I get a web page at http://itembase.com/ after a long delay. |
| 19:53.35 | specing | Ah right, the legion is after godaddy |
| 19:53.39 | _ramok | it's a godaddy dns service issue |
| 19:53.43 | jelly-home | _ramok: your dns is a bit laggy, but not too much from here, about a second or two |
| 19:53.44 | _ramok | godaddy.com is not working too |
| 19:53.57 | _ramok | here in germany it's not working |
| 19:53.58 | abrotman | so we should fix godaddy? |
| 19:54.11 | _ramok | abrotman: do it :) |
| 19:54.25 | daemon | jagginess, thank you :) |
| 19:54.57 | cardamon | abrotman: Take off, nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 19:54.58 | jelly-home | _ramok: run this, "dig +trace itembase.com. A" and see where it stops |
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| 19:55.13 | jagginess | daemon, np |
| 19:55.13 | francesco_ | jagginess, I am sorry. I am just afraid that Debian could be difficult. But, as you say, I have to try it. However, you guys helped me a lot. It could be just the interface. |
| 19:55.31 | daemon | jagginess, I dont suppose there is a way to do that reconfigure in a non interactive way |
| 19:55.37 | jelly-home | _ramok: it's basically the saem thing your resolver, or your ISP's recursing nameserver does |
| 19:55.38 | solomon | so I'm getting 'Connection failed' when doing [aptitude|apt-get] update, but when I wget the same files it succeeds. I've tried the obvious google search, but i'm inundated with results about people trying to disable proxies, or use proxies properly. I've verified that no proxy is in use, so I'm not sure how to troubleshoot further |
| 19:55.41 | _ramok | jelly-home: i don't have dig installed |
| 19:55.45 | specing | francesco_: Well if you think it is difficult, then go try Gentoo |
| 19:55.47 | jagginess | daemon, yeah i think it's /etc/default/exi* |
| 19:55.47 | jelly-home | !installit\ |
| 19:55.50 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 19:55.52 | _ramok | :) |
| 19:55.57 | jelly-home | dammit, dpkg |
| 19:55.59 | jagginess | daemon, and maybe another exim*.conf file somewhere in /etc |
| 19:56.03 | jelly-home | !install it |
| 19:56.03 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 19:56.15 | _ramok | i don't want to install it on this server |
| 19:56.15 | greycat | _ramok: apt-get install dnsutils |
| 19:56.17 | _ramok | i have to found another one |
| 19:56.24 | jagginess | daemon, oh wait that's in the /etc/exim* directory of course.. but there ought to be too in /etc/default |
| 19:56.41 | greycat | _ramok: if you are having DNS issues, then having the tools to diagnose those issues would be of enormous benefit |
| 19:56.56 | francesco_ | specing, silly question. Answer me if you want. :D Why do you use Debian. And did you compare it with other linux-like OS? |
| 19:56.56 | _ramok | greycat: godaddy has dns issues |
| 19:57.10 | specing | francesco_: servers |
| 19:57.18 | greycat | So install dnsutils to help you pinpoint the problems. |
| 19:57.34 | specing | francesco_: I use Gentoo on my desktops |
| 19:57.38 | _ramok | i will on another server |
| 19:57.45 | maukd | greycat: wtf, why would I debug godaddy's server problems? |
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| 19:58.15 | jelly-home | _ramok: that may be so, but you're asking about verifying that and debugging it on your Debian machine. If you're sure you know the cause, and it's out of your hands, then there's nothing more that needs doing, is there? |
| 19:58.19 | greycat | If you were affected by them (e.g. if your web site did not work reliably), then you would probably care more. |
| 19:58.27 | _ramok | i just get: ;; global options: +cmd ;; Received 12 bytes from 213.133.98.98#53(213.133.98.98) in 3 ms |
| 19:58.48 | francesco_ | specing, what is Gentoo? ("Use Google!") And, again, sorry, is Debian normally to heavy for PCs? |
| 19:58.54 | _ramok | jelly-home: i agree... if i go to www.godaddy.com it's down too |
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| 19:59.20 | greycat | Debian has a much more modest footprint (disk space, RAM) than Ubuntu *if* you choose to use lighter packages. |
| 19:59.27 | petemc | i see people in other channels mentioning problems with godaddy |
| 19:59.50 | GNU\colossus | what's the most lightweight imageviewer in all of Debian? should support zooming an image, and accept jpeg, png and gif as inputs. no toolkit (GTK+ et al.) dependency, please |
| 19:59.55 | jelly-home | _ramok: is that the whole output, just one line? |
| 19:59.59 | mz|` | godaddy is mentionning issue with godaddy, dude. |
| 20:00.07 | _ramok | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:00.40 | specing | francesco_: Gentoo is the ricers distro :D |
| 20:00.42 | themill | GNU\colossus: display? |
| 20:01.00 | jelly-home | specing: didn't you say you ran gentoo the other day |
| 20:01.01 | greycat | display(1) links to well over a dozen libraries |
| 20:01.10 | specing | jelly-home: I do, Im a ricer |
| 20:01.10 | greycat | ('twas the first one I checked...) |
| 20:01.18 | francesco_ | specing? |
| 20:01.40 | specing | francesco_: Don't bother with it if you don't want to blow up due to excessive blood pressure |
| 20:01.50 | jelly-home | _ramok: that implies your configured resolver cannot even give an answer for root dns servers. That's unusual. |
| 20:02.08 | themill | greycat: sure. If it didn't use libraries, we'd yell NIH! NIH! and burn the developers for being silly |
| 20:02.10 | jelly-home | _ramok: can you show the nameserver lines in your /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 20:02.31 | greycat | "supports zooming" and "does not use GTK or any other toolkit" are not likely to coexist well, I'd guess |
| 20:02.57 | _ramok | jelly-home: nameserver 213.133.98.98 nameserver 213.133.99.99 |
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| 20:03.10 | GNU\colossus | themill, you mean imagemagick? |
| 20:03.20 | francesco_ | specing, would you like to tell me the advantages that you find in Gentoo.? (A little off topice, but...) :D |
| 20:03.28 | themill | GNU\colossus: indeed. that's one possibility |
| 20:03.43 | architekt | GNU\colossus: I use https://github.com/muennich/sxiv , but it's not in Debian repositories. |
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| 20:04.03 | specing | francesco_: It doesen't make a fuss about running proprietary drivers (graphics) and it doesen't make assumptions about what you are trying to achieve |
| 20:04.11 | francesco_ | specing, never mind. I think I will try Debian, just to see what it is like. |
| 20:04.13 | GNU\colossus | architekt, cool, thank you |
| 20:04.38 | jelly-home | _ramok: ask hertzner for help, their resolvers aren't working well |
| 20:05.13 | GNU\colossus | both hetzner and godaddy are reported to have problems with their DNS servers right now |
| 20:05.24 | GNU\colossus | godaddy because of anonymous, supposedly. |
| 20:05.40 | jelly-home | _ramok: if you had an issue with godaddy, dig would have done two more steps worked up until it tried to look up your NSes |
| 20:05.42 | jelly-home | itembase.com. 172800 IN NS ns67.domaincontrol.com. |
| 20:05.42 | jelly-home | itembase.com. 172800 IN NS ns68.domaincontrol.com. |
| 20:05.43 | GNU\colossus | Hetzner themselves don't seem to know what is going on in their network |
| 20:05.55 | derdon | how do I install the common fonts like Arial, Helvetica etc.? is there some meta package so that I can install many fonts I need at once? |
| 20:05.56 | jelly-home | _ramok: ie. it would stop there ^^ |
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| 20:06.08 | francesco_ | specing, I was only worried that installing Debian was "difficult". |
| 20:06.42 | _ramok | jelly-home: but the godady support tweeted that they have problesm... since 2 hours |
| 20:06.42 | greycat | 15:30 greycat> If the PC has a CD-ROM drive, and if your network card and disk controller are supported by the installer's kernel, it should be easy. |
| 20:06.44 | jelly-home | _ramok: so your issue is multifold... sine you already have a server, you might as well install and use your own dns resolver |
| 20:07.11 | jelly-home | _ramok: yup. And I'm telling you your symptoms don't point to GoDaddy, but Hertzner's own resolvers. |
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| 20:07.55 | _ramok | now it's working again |
| 20:08.04 | _ramok | jelly-home: thanks |
| 20:08.12 | _ramok | i'll inform them and try to figure out |
| 20:08.23 | jelly-home | GNU\colossus: they probably host a bit too many bots! |
| 20:09.04 | specing | francesco_: < specing> francesco_: shrink the ubuntu drive, adjust the partitions, add a new partition in the free space, install debian there |
| 20:09.12 | specing | or USB. |
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| 20:09.32 | jeep | i finally got the software for my aircard and its 32bit |
| 20:09.50 | francesco_ | specing, I will. Thank you for your patience. I have to go now. |
| 20:10.40 | specing | I really think installing to a USB 3.0 key would be a smart move |
| 20:11.00 | specing | since 99% of reads are random reads |
| 20:11.13 | specing | and the latency of flash storage is like ~0 |
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| 20:11.23 | specing | + you can take it everywhere with you |
| 20:12.38 | jelly-home | is USB3 latency really that good? |
| 20:13.22 | jelly-home | and are the drivers and hw better than typical USB2 cpu-hogging stuff on linux |
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| 20:14.01 | specing | jelly-home: yeah, SCSI controllers are real cheap these days. |
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| 20:15.17 | jelly-home | ? |
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| 20:15.58 | specing | jelly-home: Since you were referring to "hw better than typical USB2..." |
| 20:16.18 | specing | The whole processing time is still less than the time spent in IO_WAIT |
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| 20:17.18 | jelly-home | my experience with USB2 on linux has been disappointing |
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| 20:17.50 | gnarface | mine too, as a whole, but i suspect it must be partially a hardware issue |
| 20:18.01 | jelly-home | it should not have made unrelated video or Xorg processes stutter, yet somehow it did |
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| 20:18.18 | gnarface | i have this one cellphone though i can transfer data to so fast its ... unrealistic |
| 20:18.34 | gnarface | the micro-sd card in it shouldn't be even close to that fast |
| 20:18.38 | gnarface | no way its possible |
| 20:18.40 | gnarface | i'm still confused |
| 20:18.58 | gnarface | 600MB files in a matter of a few seconds |
| 20:19.04 | gnarface | even after sync&& unmount |
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| 20:19.36 | gnarface | all my other usb devices (even with the same type of SD cards) take the typical amount of time you'd expect at 7-10megabits/second |
| 20:19.55 | gnarface | so its gotta be more about what you're plugging into the usb port than the software controlling it |
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| 20:22.11 | gnarface | jelly-home: i've had serious issues with some new daemon interfering with certain usb devices though (especially multi-format adapter devices) |
| 20:22.21 | gnarface | jelly-home: hang on let me get the name i'm drawing a blank right now |
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| 20:24.43 | gnarface | ah that's right |
| 20:25.11 | specing | gnarface: don't use USB1.1 then |
| 20:25.13 | gnarface | jelly-home: its udisks-daemon. if you're running it, try stopping it before you mount whatever usb2 device you're having trouble with next time. |
| 20:26.00 | gnarface | suspects udisks-daemon of all sorts of misbehavior, at least on sid |
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| 20:26.34 | gnarface | any usb device that violates the standard in some minor way is probably the trigger |
| 20:26.43 | specing | has never heard of udisks-daemon |
| 20:26.57 | gnarface | its relatively new |
| 20:27.03 | greycat | Hmm, it seems I have this udisks thing installed but that daemon is not running. |
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| 20:27.13 | greycat | I have no idea what it is, either. |
| 20:27.14 | specing | What is its purpose? |
| 20:27.26 | gnarface | greycat: the only thing that starts it on my system is wine. i assume its got something to do with automounting shit |
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| 20:27.42 | jeep | daemon was very appropiate name in the case of udisks if its causing problems |
| 20:27.58 | greycat | "daemon" is common unix slang for any long-running background process |
| 20:28.34 | specing | OMG THIS MACHINE BE HAUNTED!! |
| 20:28.43 | greycat | ITYM possessed. |
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| 20:29.23 | specing | And theres this dark basement called init |
| 20:29.37 | specing | where all the daemons lurk, ready to go after you |
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| 20:38.04 | mrc2 | Hi, I have a problem similar to the bug #669949 and I don't know how to solve it. I tried to downgrade sysvinit to the version 2.88-22 but did not help |
| 20:38.29 | mrc2 | for sure it start happening after an update |
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| 20:40.00 | mrc2 | usually I tend to remove services in /etc/rc2 and /etc/rcS that I think are not useful to me and maybe I removed a bit to much |
| 20:42.26 | greycat | mrc2: what is the actual problem/symptom? |
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| 20:55.25 | rdz | hi all. is formatting a block device to ext4 significantly faster than resizing the fs with resize2fs from 10% to 100% of the device? |
| 20:56.16 | specing | rdz: 1st: formatting != resizing |
| 20:56.27 | krakrjak | rda: growing the fs will be much faster than backup, format, restore. |
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| 20:57.27 | rdz | specing, did i assume it was the same? assuming it is not the same is the reason i asked |
| 20:57.34 | rdz | krakrjak, thanks |
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| 20:58.39 | krakrjak | rdz: and growing the fs is safe. lots of file systems support it. |
| 20:59.39 | rdz | krakrjak, it's ext4, which would even work online, but then i wouldn't see a progress bar |
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| 21:00.21 | krakrjak | rdz: yeah no progress bar, but it's usually quite quick. |
| 21:00.42 | krakrjak | rdz: even if you are growing to 10 times larger than it already is, how large is the final volume? |
| 21:00.44 | rdz | krakrjak, whatever quick means (on a 4TB device= |
| 21:00.45 | rdz | ) |
| 21:00.51 | zykes- | how can I pass a object to a directive in a partial ? |
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| 21:01.30 | krakrjak | rdz: It'll still be much, much, much faster than reformatting. Especially since 90% of the space is empty. It will just write superblocks. |
| 21:01.32 | rdz | krakrjak, it's a lvm LV which was 20GB (only for testing) before and is going to be 4TB after the resize |
| 21:01.43 | krakrjak | rdz: one issue with a volume that large is the extent size of the fs. |
| 21:02.03 | zykes- | ooops, wrong chan ;o |
| 21:02.06 | krakrjak | The trade off for small files vs performant streaming of large files comes into play here. |
| 21:02.07 | rdz | krakrjak, formatting ext4 is also very quick.. from what i gather it also only writes superblocks |
| 21:02.23 | juguir6 | hello |
| 21:02.33 | krakrjak | At 4TB I start recommending XFS very heavily. (Really at >2TB fs). |
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| 21:02.49 | rdz | krakrjak, oh.. |
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| 21:02.56 | rdz | krakrjak, i'll look into that |
| 21:03.05 | rdz | krakrjak, is there any particular reason? |
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| 21:03.28 | krakrjak | rdz: True. So one downside of just growing the fs is that the extent size will stay the same even though the size of the file system is an order of magnitude larger. |
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| 21:03.43 | krakrjak | rdz: it will work and it will be fast (minutes maybe) in your case. |
| 21:04.15 | krakrjak | rdz: It might be worthwhile though recreating the file system as xfs or even just reformatting ext4 so it can autotune the extents better. |
| 21:04.56 | rdz | krakrjak, is it easy to get xfs in debian squeeze? |
| 21:05.28 | krakrjak | rdz: for a rationale, xfs is better at organization of large file systems, particularly for multi I/O streaming read performance. |
| 21:05.49 | krakrjak | rdz: sure is, just install xfsutils |
| 21:05.58 | krakrjak | It's also in the installer |
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| 21:06.40 | gnarface | i concur with krakrjak about xfs being a good choice for multi-terabyte files and filesystems |
| 21:07.05 | krakrjak | rdz: sorry the package is xfsprogs |
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| 21:07.31 | daemon | exim4 seems to use the conf.d system I can use dpkg-reconfigure to tell it to use a single config file but I want to automate the process; can I just rm -Rf conf.d and create a exim4.conf? |
| 21:08.18 | gnarface | daemon: no |
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| 21:08.37 | daemon | gnarface, why not..? are there other files that need to be updated |
| 21:09.17 | gnarface | daemon: those files are just the template. they're merged with the update-exim4.conf.conf to create /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated (which is your actual running config file and i wouldn't recommend editing it manually either) |
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| 21:10.39 | gnarface | daemon: automating the reconfiguration of a package shouldn't be too difficult of a trick though |
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| 21:12.37 | themill | daemon: by "automate this" do you mean "I want to do this on 100 machines"? If so, you could consider preseeding your debconf answers prior to installation. /msg dpkg preseed |
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| 21:41.46 | bonks | How come when I run the following command it doesn't show anything in iptables -L? iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -s <VPS_IP> -p tcp --dport <LOCAL_PORT> -j DNAT --to-destination <EXTERNAL_IP/PORT> |
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| 21:43.26 | specing | bonks: because filter is the default table |
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| 21:44.05 | bonks | specing: Sorry what does that mean? I just want to relay data on a specific port to another server/port |
| 21:44.18 | specing | bonks: iptables -t nat -S |
| 21:44.50 | mns | has anyone used dpsam or assp ? how do they compare to each other ? any pointers to some comparison study ? |
| 21:46.36 | bonks | specing: hmmm so it's there now I don't know why it isn't working |
| 21:47.13 | specing | bonks: because you are doing it wrong |
| 21:47.30 | specing | bonks: possibly you don't have IP forwarding enabled |
| 21:47.43 | specing | probably you don't have the FORWARD chain configured |
| 21:48.03 | specing | and the command you used is just plain wrong |
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| 21:55.58 | bizhanMona | Hi All I like to create my own Debian image based on squeeze backport amd64. And add some of our own package. What is the Debian build infrastructure? Where could I get some info on it? Thx |
| 21:56.26 | streuner_ | bizhanMona: own packages? |
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| 21:57.38 | bizhanMona | streuner: the packages developed by me and our group. We are targeting embedded system. |
| 21:58.01 | specing | bizhanMona: I suggest voyage |
| 21:58.59 | jelly-home | what's voyage? |
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| 21:59.09 | bizhanMona | specing: is there any link to voyage? |
| 21:59.11 | streuner_ | dpkg, voyage |
| 21:59.11 | dpkg | Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. http://linux.voyage.hk/ Not supported in #debian. |
| 21:59.24 | streuner_ | hm |
| 21:59.52 | specing | It did its job before I migrated that router to Gentoo |
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| 22:00.08 | streuner_ | dpkg, gentoosmite specing |
| 22:00.08 | dpkg | spends 9 weeks recompiling specing, and when it's all done, specing runs 0.1% faster than previously |
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| 22:01.58 | specing | streuner_: atleast 5% I'd say |
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| 22:03.10 | specing | streuner_: CFLAGS="--param l2-cache-size=128 --param l1-cache-line-size=64 --param l1-cache-size=64 -mmmx -m3dnow -O2 -march=geode -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer " |
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| 22:03.16 | streuner_ | haha |
| 22:03.17 | specing | Yes, I am a ricer. |
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| 22:04.18 | specing | guilty as charged. |
| 22:04.49 | streuner_ | throws some gloves at specing |
| 22:05.18 | specing | gloves? |
| 22:05.28 | streuner_ | OJ |
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| 22:06.17 | bizhanMona | My next question, is there a tool I can reduce the Debian number of packages, so what I am asking is there a tool to help me to find the depencies and start removing them, or you have other suggestion to reduce the Debian base image? |
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| 22:07.22 | specing | bizhanMona: two things you don't really need are ca-certificates and timezone-data |
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| 22:07.46 | specing | bizhanMona: you may also want to periodically check that find / -name "locale-archive" isn't there |
| 22:09.06 | specing | would suggest it, but he isn't allowed to do it :X |
| 22:09.41 | themill | dpkg: tell bizhanMona about emdebian |
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| 22:13.19 | maccampus | hello |
| 22:13.38 | maccampus | what linux gui option do i have in dedian ? |
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| 22:14.56 | maccampus | how about all the internet plugins i have in Windows or OS X , Internet Explorer , Mozilla or Safari |
| 22:15.22 | maccampus | not all have a linux version, will i miss parts of the internet ? |
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| 22:16.09 | specing | maccampus: yes, unfortunately a large portion of the internet will be unavailable if you don't have Internet Explorer |
| 22:16.15 | specing | *sigh* |
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| 22:16.59 | maccampus | damn , dude i know thats not true because i ont have Internet Explorer on My Mac |
| 22:17.16 | specing | Then why are you asking? |
| 22:17.18 | themill | so what are you actually asking then? |
| 22:17.29 | maccampus | read the complete context of the question, it's about the plugins |
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| 22:18.02 | bizhanMona | themill: I did read about emedian, from what I read the packages could be different, is that is right then it is not Debian minimalistic? |
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| 22:19.29 | maccampus | is there google earth for Debian ? |
| 22:19.34 | streuner_ | yes |
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| 22:19.56 | streuner_ | maccampus: all of the plugins in Linux sucks about Java (new), IME |
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| 22:20.26 | themill | bizhanMona: some stuff is stripped from the debian packages but depending on which emdebian flavour you pick, they can be binary compatible with debian http://www.emdebian.org/emdebian/flavours.html |
| 22:20.41 | maccampus | how about flash & Director ? |
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| 22:20.49 | themill | dpkg: tell maccampus about adobe flash |
| 22:21.03 | streuner_ | maccampus: i dont know about Director, but flash usually works |
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| 22:22.15 | maccampus | how about Unity Web Player plugin ? |
| 22:22.42 | bizhanMona | themill: I am hoping squeeze backport (3.2 kernel) amd64, is there such thing for emdebian? |
| 22:22.50 | abrotman | wtf is Unity Web Player? |
| 22:22.57 | streuner_ | maccampus: thats not the question |
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| 22:23.23 | maccampus | dpkg: tell maccampus about Unity Web Player |
| 22:23.24 | streuner_ | maccampus: the question is rather if you want to find a advantage to use Linux... |
| 22:24.01 | themill | bizhanMona: I imagine that the existing bpo kernel would work with grip, but I'd also expect that you'd be looking for a custom compiled kernel if hardware is bespoke and disk space is important. |
| 22:24.08 | abrotman | maccampus: http://unity3d.com/webplayer/ .. where do you see Linux? |
| 22:24.55 | maccampus | i don't want to return to Windows which i abandoned in '95 but i don't want to stay with Mac Neeither since Mountain Lion & the AppStore i disslike alot |
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| 22:25.21 | themill | maccampus: sounds like you need to install it and try it out then |
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| 22:25.24 | streuner_ | OSX is just fine, if you like apple :-P |
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| 22:25.51 | maccampus | so i see Linux as an option & i would chouse debian because it has long roots |
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| 22:26.54 | maccampus | OS X was fine before Lion, i still like Apple , but i don't like what Apple did with Lion , Mountain Lion & the by then required use of the AppStore |
| 22:27.20 | abrotman | this isn't #bitchaboutosx |
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| 22:27.55 | streuner_ | maccampus: i still dont get why you want change |
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| 22:29.34 | maccampus | because i needa new computer , if a Mac it will come with ML & no downgrade to SL possible, i dont want ML for above reasons ( my only other option would be buy a second hand 2-3 year old Mac or change platform) |
| 22:30.55 | maccampus | As i do not want to return to windows which i became to dislike since 1995 i only see BSD or Linux as options |
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| 22:31.09 | abrotman | maccampus: okay, so install Debian in a VM, try it out |
| 22:31.27 | maccampus | Since Linux supports more HW then BSd i think Debin is a good choise |
| 22:32.53 | maccampus | yess i will do that , i will need to remove my other VM's first though ( Solaris & BSD & ancient *nix versios mostly) |
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| 22:35.48 | streuner_ | *PLONK* |
| 22:36.35 | abrotman | are you suggesting we do that to you ? |
| 22:37.08 | streuner_ | abrotman: as long as you highlight me? ;-) |
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| 22:42.13 | streuner_ | abrotman: i dont give a damn about changeling anymore |
| 22:42.51 | abrotman | takes the bottle from streuner_ |
| 22:43.02 | streuner_ | tell news |
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| 22:51.36 | bullgard4 | [Debian wheezy] aptitude: "#Broken: 118 Will use 940MB of disk space. DLSize: 331 MB" What does that mean? |
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| 22:52.01 | abyxcos | So, I need some help. The installer decided it would be prudent to make a very small /usr and /var filesystem, and not mount /run inside the rescue CD, so I can't fix things easily. Should I nuke and re-install, or try and fix this? |
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| 22:52.31 | abrotman | bullgard4: sounds like you haven't done a dist-upgrade in quite some time |
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| 22:53.19 | themill | bullgard4: also sounds like you need to use apt-get not aptitude for that upgrade |
| 22:53.21 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Not quite. I made a dist-upgrade 5 days ago. What should I do now? |
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| 22:54.14 | bullgard4 | themill: What makes you believing that using apt-get is needed instead of aptitude? |
| 22:54.24 | abrotman | bullgard4: skeptical |
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| 22:54.33 | themill | bullgard4: the output you showed |
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| 22:56.05 | bullgard4 | abrotman: It is always wise to be sceptical in science. But you better believe what I told you. I am new in Debian though. |
| 22:56.46 | themill | new to debian but asking questions in #debian for some years? excellent. |
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| 22:58.26 | bullgard4 | themill: Try to solve the apparent contradiction yourself. It is not difficult. |
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| 23:00.51 | abrotman | bullgard4: sorry, i don't believe you. Good luck. |
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| 23:01.13 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Sleep well. |
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| 23:01.24 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:01.27 | moebius | hi. |
| 23:01.33 | themill | bullgard4: feel free to make it easy to help you |
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| 23:01.38 | abrotman | or go away .. |
| 23:02.34 | moebius | i've got just one question: why is the mic output always followed by some scratchy background on all kernels starting from 3.x? |
| 23:02.42 | moebius | on every single distro i've tried |
| 23:02.49 | moebius | is there any solution? |
| 23:02.49 | abrotman | moebius: always the same machine ? |
| 23:02.52 | moebius | yep. |
| 23:03.01 | abrotman | moebius: it's possible it's the hardware, not the software |
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| 23:03.11 | moebius | but i bet there are some other people with the same configuration who experience the same issue. |
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| 23:03.44 | moebius | doh.. c'mon.. it's not the hardware. On older kernels and on windows it's all fine. It's not that, i'm 100% sure. |
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| 23:05.00 | abrotman | turn the gain down? |
| 23:05.03 | streuner_ | moebius: bad luck, time to change the hardware, if its not a laptop |
| 23:05.11 | abrotman | i've had hardware where it's the problem .. it leaves a hissing sound |
| 23:05.27 | moebius | streuner_, no, it's not a laptop. I have one, which is not mine, but.. doesn't matter. The problem doesn't exist on it, yes. |
| 23:05.38 | themill | moebius: sure the mixer isn't including line-in as well as mic? |
| 23:05.50 | moebius | themill, absolutely. |
| 23:06.23 | moebius | themill, however.. let me check one more time. It's not xfce mixer, but might be active in alsamixer. |
| 23:06.39 | moebius | checked. Nope. It's zero. |
| 23:06.56 | gnarface | often the cdrom drive will put noise on the analog mix/line in/etc if you don't mute them all |
| 23:06.56 | streuner_ | moebius: have you ever tried OSS4? |
| 23:07.01 | moebius | by the way, i can surprise you. The problem can be easily solved by installing PA. |
| 23:07.12 | streuner_ | great |
| 23:07.22 | moebius | but there's one reason i don't wanna do that. In that case i get bad audio on java applets. It stutters or simply is absent. |
| 23:07.24 | abrotman | moebius: problem solved! |
| 23:07.31 | gnarface | moebius: just mute everything |
| 23:07.42 | moebius | abrotman, not quite. I simply swam one to another. |
| 23:07.44 | moebius | swap* |
| 23:07.50 | moebius | gnarface, haha, hey.. good one |
| 23:07.55 | streuner_ | moebius: pulseaudio isnt a way to solve sound problems |
| 23:07.57 | moebius | gnarface, nice to see you again bro |
| 23:08.06 | abrotman | moebius: he's saying as a test |
| 23:08.13 | moebius | streuner_, i know, but in this particular case it always solves it. Surprisingly though. |
| 23:08.17 | jelly-home | streuner_: it does solve some. |
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| 23:08.56 | streuner_ | jelly-home: well, interesting |
| 23:09.11 | moebius | abrotman, won't help i think. I've had this problem all along. And by the way, it happens only if i use a standard mic, but not with USB devices like webcam. I've been using my webcam for a while as a mic device, and it doesn't happen the same way. |
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| 23:09.37 | gnarface | salutes moebius |
| 23:10.14 | moebius | there's just something wrong with the new kernels. |
| 23:10.31 | moebius | something small, but... quite influential to particular types of hardware. |
| 23:10.47 | moebius | oh well, thanks. |
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| 23:14.11 | themill | moebius: all pulse is doing is changing mixer levels here |
| 23:14.48 | moebius | themill, so what you're saying the mic makes that scratchy noise because of some levels? |
| 23:14.58 | bizhanMona | Hey, is there a such thing as debian kiosk and if yes, where I can get some info on it? |
| 23:15.16 | abrotman | moebius: which is what a few people suggested |
| 23:15.27 | abrotman | bizhanMona: google "linux kiosk mode" |
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| 23:15.55 | themill | moebius: s/mic/some other input of which there could me many/ |
| 23:15.56 | moebius | abrotman, which is what i doubted in the beginning |
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| 23:16.33 | abyxcos | Can anyone quote me the defaults for -testing install advanced partition layout? |
| 23:17.31 | sneex | abyxcos: by definition wouldn't you need to choose? |
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| 23:18.04 | isaik | hello. I would like to hide the IP address of my webserver machine when it sends emails. Is that possible? |
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| 23:18.27 | abyxcos | sneex: No, -stable has a list of defaults, but it's... not happy defaults for /testing. |
| 23:18.49 | abyxcos | sneex: Needless to say, I've balled up my system, and I'm looking to do the minimal amount of work before I nuke and re-install. |
| 23:18.53 | streuner_ | isaik: its possible, but why? |
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| 23:19.20 | alpre | I tried to compile the kernel, and make deb-pkg aborted with '.../builddeb: line 27: dpkg-gencontrol: command not found. |
| 23:19.32 | abyxcos | sneex: And the days of rebooting into an install CD and fixing things manually are long gone. |
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| 23:19.42 | streuner_ | isaik: sorry, no, its not possible if someone using a fine email client |
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| 23:20.02 | abyxcos | sneex: Also, I have no more space on /, /usr, and /var. |
| 23:20.02 | isaik | i see |
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| 23:21.33 | alpre | looks like kernel-package was not installed but needed. Can I easily continue to build the kernel package, or do I have to start again recompiling again? I compile all, just the package was not created. |
| 23:22.39 | alpre | never mind |
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| 23:22.50 | sneex | abyxcos: ok, no space in / is pretty much a done deal for backing up and punt |
| 23:22.57 | abyxcos | So, that being said, At the very least, I need to move some partitions around until I have more appropriate sizes on things. So if anyone has suggestions, I'm open. |
| 23:23.17 | abyxcos | sneex: lvextend worked for /usr and /var, something zombied around so I couldn't umount root though. |
| 23:23.46 | abyxcos | sneex: So I had to reboot, and see if everything works this time. |
| 23:23.59 | themill | alpre: you need the dpkg-dev package installed |
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| 23:25.15 | Darky` | ChrisH: the card is working really well, and I haven't have a single "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1 (ne2k-pci): transmit queue 0 timed out" :) |
| 23:25.27 | alpre | themill: thanks, that was installed though |
| 23:25.38 | sneex | abyxcos: if you know how to unmount root on a running system thats a neat trick; like I said pretty much should backup and reformat with better idea about partition or use a lvm |
| 23:25.48 | abyxcos | sneex: Live CD :P |
| 23:25.56 | abyxcos | sneex: And I do have lvm. |
| 23:26.06 | alpre | themill: no of course, it got installed when I just installed kernel-package, thanks again |
| 23:26.12 | sneex | none have space I take it |
| 23:26.17 | abyxcos | As for umounting root, it's do-able. |
| 23:26.28 | abyxcos | sneex: Well, I'm moving them around, but I keep finding a new filesystem is too small. |
| 23:26.38 | abyxcos | sneex: That's why I'm looking for what -testing defaults too. |
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| 23:27.33 | abyxcos | Seems like a 12GB root, 16GB /usr, and 6GB /var are working for now. |
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| 23:28.00 | sneex | abyxcos: not sure but I think its a 3gb tmp with all in / no lvm |
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| 23:33.42 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 23:37.27 | Faustische | Hi, which one is lighter, LXDE or XFCE? |
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| 23:37.45 | gnarface | the L one |
| 23:38.02 | Faustische | gnarface, are you sure? |
| 23:38.04 | k-man | what is the debian way to allow users to shutdown the computer? |
| 23:38.15 | Faustische | k-man, su - |
| 23:38.18 | gnarface | Faustische: no that's purely hearsay based on what their webpage says. |
| 23:38.22 | Faustische | k-man, shutdown -h 0 byeeeeee |
| 23:38.30 | daemonkeeper | Faustische: No. |
| 23:38.34 | k-man | Faustische, thats hardly a "user" way |
| 23:38.58 | Faustische | k-man, that's how I've been shutting down my laptop for years |
| 23:39.06 | gnarface | Faustische: XFCE isn't known for being particularly heavy either though |
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| 23:39.14 | k-man | ideally i would like the user to be able to just type "halt" and the computer will shutdown without further adoo |
| 23:39.17 | Faustische | gnarface, thank you |
| 23:39.28 | daemonkeeper | k-man: Display managers typically allow non-root users to shut down the system (at least, as a configurable option). From a command line, you can allow "sudo halt" to everyone. |
| 23:39.48 | k-man | daemonkeeper, from the command line, sorry i should have said that before |
| 23:40.44 | Faustische | What is the difference between the standard release of Debian and the gnome release? |
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| 23:40.52 | daemonkeeper | k-man: So install sudo, configure a sudo rule and allow user (-groups) at your choice to use it. If you want it transparently, make "halt" being a script pointing to "sudo halt.real" |
| 23:41.07 | Faustische | I guess the standard release comes with the CLI only, am I right? |
| 23:41.13 | Faustische | I'm downloading ISOs |
| 23:41.23 | daemonkeeper | Depends on your choice during the installation. |
| 23:41.47 | Faustische | ^Live CDs |
| 23:41.50 | k-man | daemonkeeper, ok thanks |
| 23:42.09 | Faustische | I meant Standard Live CD and Gnome Live CD... what is the difference? |
| 23:42.23 | tharkun | D [10/Sep/2012:17:12:48 -0500] [Job 7152] printer-state-message="Tree connect failed (NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED)" ||<-- Any ideas on what to search for to fix it? |
| 23:42.26 | daemonkeeper | The default desktop you boot into. |
| 23:42.43 | daemonkeeper | (and thus, image size you need to download) |
| 23:42.54 | Faustische | So what is the desktop in the "standard live cd"? |
| 23:43.00 | daemonkeeper | xfce I think. |
| 23:43.01 | Faustische | is confused |
| 23:43.28 | Faustische | daemonkeeper, but there is a separate "xfce live cd" download link |
| 23:43.29 | tharkun | daemonkeeper: that is for wheezy afaik gnome is still the one for squeeze |
| 23:43.44 | Faustische | I'm downloading squeeze live cds |
| 23:44.09 | Faustische | and I got 4 options to choose from: KDE XFCE LXDE Gnome, and Standard |
| 23:44.14 | Faustische | s/4/5 |
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| 23:45.07 | themill | This is explained at http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 23:45.07 | tharkun | Faustische: xfce is nice, kde is a bit too bloated for my taste, lxde works ok, gnome is the ruling king up to squeeze |
| 23:45.21 | tharkun | greets themill |
| 23:45.28 | themill | moo |
| 23:45.33 | Faustische | tharkun, thank you, but I already know that |
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| 23:45.54 | Faustische | tharkun, I want to know what the "standard" one is |
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| 23:46.03 | Faustische | terrible bandwidth |
| 23:46.16 | Faustische | look here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ |
| 23:46.16 | tharkun | Faustische: Experimenting on installations is best performed when having apt-cache-ng running on your local lan |
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| 23:46.34 | Faustische | tharkun, great tip, thanks |
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| 23:47.31 | Faustische | I've been very freakin' happy with Debian on my PC and laptop, now I'm migrating my netbook from Ubuntu to Debian |
| 23:47.49 | Faustische | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/bt-hybrid/ |
| 23:47.58 | daemonkeeper | Why do you want a live CD then? |
| 23:48.21 | daemonkeeper | Yes, it works as well, but if you know you're going to install it, use netinst, boot into it, be back with your Debian in 10 minutes. |
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| 23:48.31 | Faustische | daemonkeeper, because I want to customize it with around 1000 packages pre-installed |
| 23:48.43 | Faustische | daemonkeeper, like my Ubuntu isos |
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| 23:48.51 | gnarface | Faustische: the standard and rescue ones don't have any desktop environment. they're text console only |
| 23:49.02 | Faustische | gnarface, thanks dude |
| 23:49.05 | gnarface | np |
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| 23:49.07 | Faustische | thank y'all |
| 23:49.14 | daemonkeeper | Faustische: Pre-installed to the live CD you mean, I guess. |
| 23:49.25 | Faustische | daemonkeeper, yeah, egg zackly ;) |
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| 23:49.58 | lighterapp | i have an old Pentium II laptop which has 192MB RAM (maximum supported by the mainboard) and i will share it with my girlfriend whom i gave sudo privilege to shutdown down the laptop. icewm is installed on the laptop and i want to make it possible for her to shut it down without using the command line buthow? |
| 23:50.02 | jaakkos | i wonder why dpkg --set-selections is throwing not in database all the time for me, eg. # echo 'wireshark install' | dpkg --set-selections |
| 23:50.03 | daemonkeeper | You want http://live-build.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-build then, I think. |
| 23:50.05 | jaakkos | dpkg: warning: package not in database at line 1: wireshark |
| 23:50.06 | dpkg | jaakkos: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 23:50.43 | jaakkos | and i've certainly updated my package cache. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=79006 had the same problem but it was never solved. |
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| 23:51.16 | daemonkeeper | jaakkos: Because your line looks faulty? |
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| 23:51.38 | jaakkos | daemonkeeper: how is it faulty? |
| 23:51.52 | jaakkos | it should be exactly like 'man dpkg' says |
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| 23:53.05 | Faustische | Debian never dies on me |
| 23:53.11 | ir8 | Anyone recommend any tool sets for capacity and forecasting planning server clusters? |
| 23:53.43 | lighterapp | about 5 years ago i met a guy who was running FREEBSD and had a network of 5 PCs all running icewm and he had a a shutdown button entry in the icewm menu. all users could shutdown the PC they were using *without* messing with the command line, just by pressing that button. how can that be done on gnu/linux? |
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| 23:54.39 | Faustische | one more question: what is FreeBSD equivalent to nDisWrapper? |
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| 23:54.52 | Faustische | *FreeBSD's |
| 23:55.04 | daemonkeeper | ndiswrapper is a Linux thing, actually. |
| 23:55.11 | daemonkeeper | So, guess what, ndiswrapper. |
| 23:55.12 | Faustische | hmm |
| 23:55.26 | daemonkeeper | That said, ndiswrapper is rarely needed anymore these days. |
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| 23:55.37 | Faustische | I remember someone telling me BSD has something similar to nDis |
| 23:56.08 | Faustische | daemonkeeper, yeah, provided you don't try to run Debian on a netbook |
| 23:56.53 | Faustische | has been Windows-free for 12+ years |
| 23:56.53 | abyxcos | How does one force a service to not start? I see an option to force restart, but not make it not load. |
| 23:57.04 | abyxcos | (I need to stop bluetooth from loading and breaking my keyboard.) |
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| 23:57.47 | Faustische | see ya guys around |
| 23:57.49 | Faustische | bye |
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| 23:59.12 | Ariii | Hi! |
| 23:59.16 | adrakoa | abyxcos, remove the service from init.d |
| 23:59.17 | frommr | hey |
| 23:59.20 | frommr | what's up, Ariii? |
| 23:59.31 | frommr | have you guys ever used textual? |
| 23:59.35 | frommr | it's an IRC client for OS X |
| 23:59.49 | adrakoa | there is a rc.d remove or something similar |
