| 00:00.02 | abyxcos | update-rc.d? |
| 00:00.21 | adrakoa | to remove the services from all runlevels |
| 00:00.24 | Ariii | frommr: I'm having problems with the original AirPort card in Debian... it's recognized but when I installed wicd it failed to start... any help? |
| 00:00.31 | adrakoa | but move is useful |
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| 00:01.13 | abrotman | Ariii: did you configure wicd to use it ? |
| 00:01.21 | abyxcos | Also, if anyone knows the name of the bluetooth package, I can just remove that... |
| 00:01.40 | Ariii | abrotman: No... how could I do that? |
| 00:01.51 | Ariii | Sorry, I should probably Google that. |
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| 00:15.35 | adrakoa | abyxcos, dpkg --get-selections | grep bluetooth | xargs dpkg --remove |
| 00:17.20 | abrotman | what could go wrong .. |
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| 00:18.08 | jaakkos | :D |
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| 00:19.49 | jaakkos | so, i never got dpkg --set-selections work so now rolling with aptitude install `awk '{print $1}' /tmp/packages.txt` |
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| 00:21.04 | abrotman | jaakkos: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 00:22.59 | jaakkos | hmm, the automatically installed might be a good thing to have indeed |
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| 00:26.39 | jaakkos | migrating my years-old i386 rootfs to amd64, on kernel zfs :) |
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| 00:27.05 | adrakoa | bye |
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| 00:31.34 | Ariii | Okay... I got it working, but whenever I try to connect to a network it says that the authentication failed. |
| 00:32.42 | Ariii | By the way, I have wpasupplicant installed, so is there anything I can do? |
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| 00:34.23 | abrotman | did you check the box to force WPA? |
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| 00:36.28 | Ariii | abrotman: I don't think that box was in wicd... I've tried a computer-to-computer WEP NetWork, but it says the authentication failed for that, too |
| 00:36.30 | Ariii | . |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | it has that box, i use it |
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| 00:42.47 | Ariii | abrotman: Thanks, but where is the box to force WPA? I've looked around a little and I don't think Google's helping ver much. |
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| 00:42.53 | Ariii | **very |
| 00:42.58 | abrotman | hit properties on the connection name .. |
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| 00:43.48 | lewis | top ten reasons why i should use debian |
| 00:44.07 | lewis | why should i favor it over others distrib |
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| 00:44.12 | abrotman | !tell lewis about why debian |
| 00:44.17 | lewis | I know what's coming: stability |
| 00:44.31 | lewis | not good enough |
| 00:44.43 | abrotman | then don't use it |
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| 00:45.03 | lewis | abrotman: fair enough |
| 00:45.06 | abrotman | try it yourself, either oyu'll like it, or oyu won't .. |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | see, that's easy |
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| 00:54.30 | Ariii | abrotman: I just checked the box, and it's not connecting in either... do you know what I might be able to do? |
| 00:55.04 | abrotman | Ariii: did you install teh firmware and such for the carD? |
| 00:55.46 | Cyclohexane | does anyone know the package repo url for linux_source (kernel)? apt-get cache can't find anything |
| 00:56.26 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 00:56.37 | Cyclohexane | Yeah doesn't find anything |
| 00:57.06 | Ariii | Yeah, I did. I think something must be wrong with the drivers. It finds the network, at least... |
| 00:57.17 | abrotman | Cyclohexane: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 01:08.16 | lewis | hi |
| 01:08.48 | lewis | my desktop has an interl7 processor should i pick i386 when i dl |
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| 01:09.05 | abrotman | lewis: i386 or amd64 |
| 01:10.21 | lewis | abrotman: it doesnt matter |
| 01:10.23 | lewis | ? |
| 01:10.44 | LtL | lewis: why use 32bit when you have a 64bit processor |
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| 01:11.24 | abrotman | LtL: binary-only software that doesn't work on amd64? |
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| 01:12.35 | LtL | abrotman: that much i knew. thats a big if |
| 01:13.00 | abrotman | i gave you a reason :) |
| 01:13.09 | lewis | LtL; why is it limited to i386 |
| 01:13.17 | LtL | abrotman: that you did. |
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| 01:13.23 | abyxcos | Alright, I give up. How the hell do I make bluetooth not auto-run without uninstalling gnome? |
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| 01:13.40 | abyxcos | update-rc.d is deprecated, and the manpage for insserv is pretty bad. |
| 01:13.44 | LtL | lewis: i don't understand your question |
| 01:13.54 | abyxcos | Should I just delete /etc/init.d/bluetooth? |
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| 01:14.45 | LtL | lewis: if you run 32bit binaries then use 386 32 bit or take advantage of your proc and run 64.. its your call. |
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| 01:17.13 | LtL | i have 32 bit libraries installed on amd64 but i don't know or use binary-only 32 bit stuff, not even sure what that is. ask abrotman |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | !tell LtL about multiarch |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | hides |
| 01:18.05 | lewis | LtL: amd64 |
| 01:18.09 | lewis | here i go |
| 01:18.21 | lewis | why is there so many cds to download |
| 01:19.02 | LtL | lewis: bottom line is you dont take advantage of the 64 bit bus with i386. and you generally only need the first iso. |
| 01:19.47 | LtL | lewis: piece of advice, install cd1 on the wire, get wifi working afterwards. |
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| 01:20.30 | lewis | LtL: thanks. what do you mean on the wire |
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| 01:20.41 | LtL | lewis: all those cd's contain 19k something packages which you can pull off the net when needed. |
| 01:20.53 | lewis | oh it's an expression i suppose |
| 01:20.56 | lewis | "on the wire" |
| 01:21.01 | LtL | lewis: on an ethernet wired connection. |
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| 01:21.44 | lewis | oh that's what i intend to do. thanks |
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| 01:21.52 | LtL | lewis: then setup wireless while you have the net available to grab the extra stuff that isn't on cd1 for wpa wifi. |
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| 01:22.20 | lewis | LtL: it\s ok. it'\s a desktop with no wireless card |
| 01:22.26 | LtL | lewis: if applicable of course. |
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| 01:23.53 | abyxcos | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=80500 |
| 01:24.03 | abyxcos | Seems like no one knows how the new initscripts work either... |
| 01:24.20 | Dan39 | i got this cheap keyboard from monoprice, and im not sure which keyboard layout to use with it: http://images2.monoprice.com/productlargeimages/92761.jpg |
| 01:24.52 | abrotman | Dan39: seems like a 104 key layout would work |
| 01:25.10 | Dan39 | when i do alt-2 i get " instead of @ :|, and alt-' gives @ haha, also some other guys messed up, like | ~ |
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| 01:25.39 | Dan39 | yea i tried 104 and 105 |
| 01:25.47 | Dan39 | seems to be the same with both |
| 01:27.17 | Dan39 | any ideas on what other layouts to try? i really have no idea |
| 01:27.24 | Dan39 | googling didnt help much |
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| 01:27.58 | abyxcos | The following packages will be REMOVED: bluez gnome-bluetooth gnome-core gnome-session gnome-shell gnome-user-share |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | abyxcos: why not just blacklist the bt driver? |
| 01:28.18 | abyxcos | Why is it so hard to turn off bluetooth? |
| 01:28.23 | abyxcos | abrotman: Is that what's causing that? |
| 01:28.33 | abyxcos | abrotman: google and the man pages have been useless. |
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| 01:29.32 | abrotman | abyxcos: i don't know what your real problem is .. kjust that you've been trying to turn off bluetooth for some reason |
| 01:29.54 | abyxcos | abrotman: I have a bluetooth keyboard and a usb dongle. |
| 01:30.17 | abyxcos | It works fine in the bios, but as soon as debian-testing starts, it hijacks the bluetooth controller, and tries to pair with it, fucking up, and not letting me log in, or do anything. |
| 01:30.22 | abyxcos | Worked fine in -stable. |
| 01:30.51 | abyxcos | And the ever so helpfull services won't believe that I don't want bluetooth when I say update-rc.d bluetooth disable. |
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| 01:31.44 | LtL | abyxcos: try update-rc.d bluetooth remove or run rcconf from a terminal |
| 01:31.55 | abyxcos | LtL: Deprecated. |
| 01:32.05 | abyxcos | LtL: In favour of insserv, with it's terrible manpage. |
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| 01:32.26 | LtL | abyxcos: rcconf maybe? |
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| 01:33.45 | abyxcos | LtL: Frontend for update-rc.d, same result (ie, nothing.) |
| 01:33.58 | LtL | abyxcos: I've used both not too long ago, both did the job. i'm running squeeze for what it's worth though. |
| 01:34.41 | abyxcos | Yea, they fudged up a bunch of stuff in -testing. |
| 01:34.55 | abyxcos | The default 'advanced' partition sizes aren't big enough. |
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| 01:35.18 | abyxcos | How do you regenerate the modprobe blacklist? |
| 01:35.32 | abyxcos | Does that read /etc/modprobe.d/* every time it runs? |
| 01:35.53 | dvs | yes |
| 01:35.58 | LtL | abyxcos: in the update-rc.d manpage read the removing scripts section. might work. |
| 01:36.00 | abyxcos | Because apparently, 'blacklist bluetooth' doesn't do what it used to do. |
| 01:36.08 | abyxcos | LtL: I did, it doesn't. |
| 01:36.21 | abyxcos | LtL: It got replaced with insserv, which as far as I've been able to find, no one knows how it works. |
| 01:36.56 | abyxcos | dvs: Any better way to debug why the 'bluetooth' module is still loading? |
| 01:37.05 | abyxcos | Should I just delete the .ko? |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | no |
| 01:38.40 | abyxcos | I'm not seeing any solid arguments for not. I don't even have bluetooth beyond this usb compat dongle, which works quite fine as a usb device... |
| 01:39.17 | abyxcos | And unless something checksums /lib/modules these days, at worse, I should get a kernel error about not having the module. |
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| 01:43.28 | dvs | abyxcos, /etc/modules would be too obvious to check |
| 01:44.21 | abyxcos | dvs: I had to blacklist rfcomm, btusb, bnep, and bluetooth, because they thought they were smarter than my config file. |
| 01:44.42 | abyxcos | And /etc/modules is deprecated these days, because someone thought conf.d would be a fun time. |
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| 01:47.57 | abyxcos | Meh, now it's just being forcibly disconnected... |
| 01:48.20 | abyxcos | lsusb sees it, but the keyboard still isn't talking... |
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| 01:49.32 | abyxcos | Even the device nodes are being populated... |
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| 02:13.23 | abyxcos | Ahh, installing bluez-compat seems to have fixed things for now. |
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| 02:25.36 | robysath | I posted a potential patch for bug 671030 on July 1. Haven't heard anyone accept it or comment in over 2 months. Is that the norm? |
| 02:25.53 | zinx | that's nothing |
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| 02:26.25 | zinx | i reported a wxwindows bug with a simple (2 line?) patch to fix it, with no side-effects |
| 02:26.38 | zinx | who knows how many years later, the bug still isn't fixed, and it's got a new name :P |
| 02:27.13 | robysath | zinx: :) that's funny |
| 02:27.30 | robysath | also discouraging... but we are all volunteers after all |
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| 03:39.37 | alpre | I compiled the kernel myself and a linux-firmware-image got created too. Is it needed for me to install it tooQ |
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| 03:43.29 | alpre | I guess not, since I don't have any firmware packages installed currently. |
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| 03:44.00 | jeep | alpre: redo your config and take that option out |
| 03:44.55 | alpre | jeep: what if I just install the linux-image? |
| 03:45.47 | jeep | alpre: well try it might just have to boot the old kernel if you have problems |
| 03:46.08 | alpre | jeep: of course, OK :) |
| 03:46.36 | jeep | alpre: if you get kernel panic or something just pick the old kerne; |
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| 03:46.52 | alpre | will try jeep |
| 03:48.17 | jeep | alpre: if your like me you forgot mouse, sound and video support and will need to recompile anyway lol |
| 03:48.54 | alpre | na, I just didn't have dpkg-dev installed jeep |
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| 03:50.00 | alpre | just wanted to try out tickless,off and ticks,1000 for a gateway |
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| 04:26.34 | bullgard4 | [Debian wheezy] aptitude: "#Broken: 118 Will use 940MB of disk space. DLSize: 331 MB" What does that mean? |
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| 04:30.45 | PatrickC | i need to install Debian on my Macbook Pro 9,1 |
| 04:31.00 | PatrickC | Will the regular instructions on the Wiki work? even with the new EFI and Mountain Lion? |
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| 04:40.15 | cc11rocks | I have 14 pending bug reports with patches. Would someone take a look at them for me : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=cc11rocks%40yahoo.com |
| 04:41.09 | cc11rocks | *Outstanding. They haven't been accepted or declined yet... |
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| 04:42.14 | jeep | cc11rocks: are speeling errors considered bugs .. or features ? |
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| 04:43.28 | cc11rocks | jeep: Are you making fun of my contributions? Or trolling/spamming? I don't mean to offend you. I am just waiting to get these in before I start working on more difficult bugs... |
| 04:43.48 | cc11rocks | jeep: Plus, bugs are bugs. These need to be fixed too. |
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| 04:45.02 | jeep | cc11rocks: i see ubuntu packages .. are they all ubuntu packages ? |
| 04:45.21 | cc11rocks | jeep: Took them STRAIGHT from Debian. I just fixed them in Ubuntu |
| 04:45.38 | cc11rocks | jeep: bzr branch lp:debian/<package> |
| 04:45.53 | cc11rocks | ...lp : Debian.. |
| 04:46.44 | cc11rocks | Where they are fixed SHOULD be irrelevant. Especially for grammer/spelling errors... |
| 04:47.47 | cc11rocks | jeep: If you look at my 1 accepted patch, that is the same deal as the untouched ones |
| 04:48.03 | PatrickC | anyone running a Macbook Pro with Debian? |
| 04:48.30 | bullgard4 | cc11rocks: What does mean in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686808 the row: "User: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com"? |
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| 04:50.08 | cc11rocks | bullgard4: I have NO clue what that means. I'm using the "submittodebian" tool in Ubuntu which auto-formats it including that |
| 04:50.34 | cc11rocks | bullgard4: I'm assuming it's just extra information. If you look at the bottom, you'll see difflogs... |
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| 04:51.38 | cc11rocks | *.debdiff files |
| 04:51.51 | cc11rocks | Or message part1 at the top... |
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| 04:53.14 | cc11rocks | I think I actually am wrong about the part1 having a debdiff...Anyway, I HAVE to leave in 5 minutes |
| 04:53.27 | cc11rocks | if anyone has any more questions, ask now please... |
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| 04:55.36 | PatrickC | cc11rocks: well, the only question i had was about a macbook pro.. but no one seems to have an answer at this time (which is fine) |
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| 04:56.42 | cc11rocks | PatrickC: I meant for my issue sorry. I don't know much about Macs, PowePC arch, or anything of the sort (don't know if you use intel/PowerPC, etc) |
| 04:57.06 | PatrickC | Intel is what i have. but thanks :) |
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| 04:57.33 | PatrickC | i know how it can be trying to get answers sometimes, there seems to be quite a few logged users in here, but quite a few away users |
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| 04:58.15 | cc11rocks | PatrickC : I know how unresponsive IRC can be :) |
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| 04:58.46 | cc11rocks | Thanks guys. Email me at cc11rocks@yahoo.com if you have any comments, questions, concerns, tips, etc... |
| 04:58.56 | cc11rocks | concerning my patches, etc |
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| 05:02.50 | jeep | wb me |
| 05:03.06 | jeep | PatrickC: what is your question about mac book |
| 05:03.16 | PatrickC | if the 9,1 was supported yet |
| 05:03.24 | PatrickC | and the best installation instructions, or just follow the normal wiki |
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| 05:03.38 | PatrickC | because i tried to follow the normal Arch wiki and it was really outdated it seemed |
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| 05:03.53 | jeep | http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook you looked at this ? |
| 05:04.18 | PatrickC | yeah, just making sure that's the best source right now |
| 05:04.19 | bullgard4 | PatrickC: How long are you doing IRC? Isn't it commonplace to you that the overwhelming majority of IRC channel users is only idling and hardly responding? |
| 05:04.39 | PatrickC | bullgard4: i know that is the case in most channels |
| 05:05.25 | jeep | PatrickC: looks like you may need a custom kernel looking at the 2009 info what year is your macbook from ? |
| 05:05.31 | PatrickC | 2012 |
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| 05:07.42 | jeep | PatrickC: i would try it |
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| 05:08.12 | PatrickC | i'm going to |
| 05:09.46 | bullgard4 | PatrickC: You should also take into account that the majority of Debian users lives in Europe. And not too many people have free time at 07:08 hours local time. The responsiveness of this channel will be greater in 12 hours time. |
| 05:10.09 | PatrickC | gotcha |
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| 05:11.24 | jeep | is represetning the USA ! |
| 05:11.37 | jeep | with bad speeling |
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| 05:11.58 | PatrickC | lol |
| 05:12.14 | jeep | i used debian on an imac g3 for long time it was great |
| 05:12.14 | bullgard4 | Three cheers to the USA! |
| 05:13.31 | PatrickC | this stupid network configuration is gonna kill me |
| 05:13.38 | PatrickC | it really is :P |
| 05:14.03 | jeep | got it from a dumpster had os9 and butchered osx with no mouse support so i rooted it it fixed the mouse upgradedosx then pulled the drive out and installed debian |
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| 05:15.16 | PatrickC | installing Debian on my other laptop first, so i have something to use while it installs on the Mac :) |
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| 05:17.25 | PatrickC | hmm... why would it not let me resize a partition? |
| 05:17.30 | ex-parrot | has anyone succeeded in rebuilding the isc-dhcp-server package from source? it seems to have some harmless looking warnings that -Werror nonetheless disagrees with |
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| 05:19.26 | jeep | wb wilee-nilee |
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| 05:38.30 | khaleel5000 | hi..........something smart has happened... I updated or tried to update from stable to testing, thing is ...no space left on disk! |
| 05:39.04 | khaleel5000 | so i am stuck half way throgh (apt-get got all its stuff ) but when prepping to install ...no space left on disk! |
| 05:39.20 | khaleel5000 | i cant remove packages coz it says apt-get was interuppted ! |
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| 05:40.04 | c4ptotc | is there a bug with linux 3.5.3 and lvm ? |
| 05:40.13 | c4ptotc | i have been trying for over an hour to boot with my lvm and i cant |
| 05:40.34 | jeep | khaleel5000: /var/apt/cache has download .deb's have you tried cleaning them out ? |
| 05:41.32 | jeep | khaleel5000: apt-get clean should do it |
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| 05:43.38 | khaleel5000 | jeep: if i do that will it remove the downloaded files that are needed to update teh system? |
| 05:44.18 | bullgard4 | khaleel5000: Yes. |
| 05:44.55 | jeep | khaleel5000: it will remove all the .debs from /var/cache .. then when you update you should have enough room for new ones .. if thats where your problem lies or that creates enough room |
| 05:45.28 | khaleel5000 | ok |
| 05:45.34 | khaleel5000 | i have abit of "slow connection" |
| 05:45.47 | khaleel5000 | I have a 5 gig partition free...(ext2 |
| 05:46.15 | khaleel5000 | if i copy the .debs there, make a link of /var/cache folder to /mnt/thatdisk/ will it work? |
| 05:46.22 | khaleel5000 | i sooo dont want to go through downloading again :( |
| 05:46.30 | jeep | khaleel5000: yeah that should work |
| 05:46.49 | khaleel5000 | its ln -s ? |
| 05:47.14 | jeep | mount that drive and mv the .debs there then ln -s |
| 05:47.41 | khaleel5000 | ok |
| 05:48.17 | jeep | or actually just unmount and remount it to the right place would work instead of linking it |
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| 05:53.28 | khaleel5000 | jeep: you mean mount /dev/sda6 /var/cache ? |
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| 05:54.33 | jeep | khaleel5000: mkdir foo && mount /dev/sda6 foo/ && mv /var/apt/cache/*.deb foo/ |
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| 05:55.35 | jeep | khaleel5000: then umount /dev/sda6 && mount /dev/sda6 /var/apt/cache double check the path and make sure no other files in cache you need |
| 05:55.47 | khaleel5000 | ok |
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| 05:56.26 | khaleel5000 | ok my system may be going insane : umount /dev/sda6 , mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda6 (sda6 is mounted!) |
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| 06:00.05 | bullgard4 | What program displays to what "section" a certain DEB program package belongs? |
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| 06:01.32 | crtxc | hi. Is the firewall enabled by default on a debian squeeze install? |
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| 06:03.46 | jeep | crtxc: im gonna say no |
| 06:05.33 | crtxc | Thank you jeep. I wasn't sure. I will search for an iptable howto. |
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| 06:06.35 | jeep | crtxc: default is just disconnect ... not really needing anything unless your runnign services |
| 06:07.16 | crtxc | ok. |
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| 06:08.45 | khaleel5000 | jeep: hey man, guy with fill space issue on upgrade...i am on different install which is reacting normally instead of disk full crisis. so /mnt/sda6 is place where free space is.... /mnt/sda7/var/cache/apt has the archives folder, i copy apt folder, archives folder or just debs (to later mount) |
| 06:09.06 | crtxc | I came accross this http://linuxadministration.us/?p=23 and got a little panicked. |
| 06:09.15 | crtxc | ty jeep. |
| 06:09.46 | jeep | khaleel5000: one sec |
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| 06:10.17 | khaleel5000 | sure |
| 06:11.17 | jeep | khaleel5000: you have /var/apt/cache/archives/ ? full of .debs ? |
| 06:11.34 | bullgard4 | Why is the owner of /tmp root/root? |
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| 06:13.11 | khaleel5000 | yes jeep |
| 06:13.38 | jeep | khaleel5000: your /dev/sda6 is already mounted at /mnt/sda6 ? |
| 06:13.42 | khaleel5000 | yes |
| 06:14.51 | jeep | khaleel5000: cp /var/apt/cache/archives/* /mnt/sda6/ |
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| 06:15.39 | jeep | khaleel5000: after that finishes umount /dev/sda6 and then mount /dev/sda6 /var/apt/cache/archives/ |
| 06:16.14 | jeep | khaleel5000: then you can type ls /var/apt/cache/archives to confirm they are there |
| 06:16.16 | khaleel5000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.28 | khaleel5000 | they are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 06:16.53 | Gm4n | When I try to use 'mail my@address.com', I type the message then get "/usr/lib/sendmail: No such file or directory" - any ideas? (I can't seem to find sendmail, but I do have exim4 installed) |
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| 06:17.55 | khaleel5000 | after its complete, what should be the entry in /fstab? |
| 06:18.06 | Gm4n | actually, ignore me :) |
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| 06:18.25 | jeep | khaleel5000: you want it to be permanent or just temporary ? |
| 06:18.42 | khaleel5000 | temporary |
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| 06:18.59 | jeep | then dont put anything in fstab |
| 06:19.04 | khaleel5000 | i will remove the entry after install is done? (and remove bloatware) |
| 06:19.46 | jeep | khaleel5000: just manually mount do the upgrade |
| 06:20.12 | khaleel5000 | mountpoint? |
| 06:20.38 | jeep | khaleel5000: mount your /dev/sda6 /var/apt/cache/archives |
| 06:21.03 | jeep | khaleel5000: after you reboot to one with problems |
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| 06:21.18 | jeep | be back ina bit |
| 06:21.24 | bullgard4 | [Debian wheezy] aptitude: "#Broken: 118 Will use 940MB of disk space. DLSize: 331 MB." What does that mean? |
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| 06:21.34 | khaleel5000 | ok, thanks jeep |
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| 06:48.45 | bool | why is it that web-browsers in linux get really slow and hangs when i have multiple windows open with multiple tabs. when having many more windows and tabs in ms windows it runs fine. |
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| 07:02.02 | mithrop | hi |
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| 07:10.24 | mithrop | I'm looking for somebody who install Redmine on Debian... the installation seems to not be the same than the official one |
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| 07:14.04 | bool | if i install a backport, will it be automatically upgraded when i run aptitude upgrade? |
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| 07:27.48 | bullgard4 | [Debian wheezy] aptitude: "#Broken: 118 Will use 940MB of disk space. DLSize: 331 MB." What does that mean? |
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| 07:30.07 | ChrisH | bullgard4: I am not sure, but to me this sounds like the downloaded package (DL size) is incomplete. find the package name, search it like find /var/spool -name packeg\* and remove it and restart your action |
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| 07:32.27 | bullgard4 | ChrisH: Let me try to do what you suggested. |
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| 07:33.38 | peterrooney | bullgard4: ChrisH downloaded packages are kept in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 07:35.09 | peterrooney | bullgard4: ChrisH also, the problem looks like a resolver issue: run aptitude interactively, hit 'B' to find all broken packages, decide which ones are likeliest to be the problem. |
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| 07:44.25 | bullgard4 | peterrooney: (I am a beginner with aptitude.) What have I to do in order to run aptitude interactively? I did '~$ sudo aptitude'. A ncurses window opens. It appears to me that this could be "interactively". Am I right? |
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| 07:47.53 | peterrooney | bullgard4: correct. |
| 07:47.56 | r0b_- | has anyone tried to bridge wireless to wired in debian? |
| 07:48.10 | r0b_- | like bridge_ports wlan0 eth0 |
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| 07:50.49 | Phil-Work | r0b_-, yeh |
| 07:50.53 | Phil-Work | standard bridge should work |
| 07:50.57 | r0b_- | hmmm |
| 07:51.13 | r0b_- | ok |
| 07:51.57 | r0b_- | ok |
| 07:52.11 | r0b_- | will sudo service networking restart drop connections/ |
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| 07:54.47 | r0b_- | brb |
| 07:54.48 | r0b_- | :P |
| 07:54.55 | r0b_- | actually nvm |
| 07:55.04 | r0b_- | should be getting an AP soon that does bridging so |
| 07:55.51 | r0b_- | and an 8 port switch so i can set that up .... to do what i want |
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| 07:56.24 | r0b_- | Phil-Work do you use debian as a desktop or server? |
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| 07:56.50 | Phil-Work | at the time, a server |
| 07:57.10 | r0b_- | ah |
| 07:57.12 | r0b_- | you dont use it? |
| 07:57.20 | r0b_- | i use it as a primary desktop |
| 07:57.23 | r0b_- | Debian 7 |
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| 07:57.58 | r0b_- | its alot nicer than windows... atleast for just the basics that i do |
| 07:58.44 | r0b_- | is it bad to not regularly check for updates/ |
| 08:00.01 | r0b_- | i mean i check once a week.... |
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| 08:09.59 | bullgard4 | peterrooney: Am I right assuming that broken packages are indicated by a "B"? I tried to search for packages having a "B" attribute: I typed '/'. A 'Search for:' dialog appears. After entering 'B' and pressing Ok, I obtain a hit at the package »base-files«« which has no 'B' attribute. How can I search for files having a 'B' attribute? |
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| 08:13.52 | peterrooney | bullgard4: correct again, and, press the 'B' key |
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| 08:26.47 | bullgard4 | peterrooney: This obtains: "Some dependencies of libgd2-xpm are not satisfied: * libgd2-xpm conflicts with libgd2 (provided by libgd2-noxpm 2.0.36~rc1~dfsg-6.1); * libgd2-xpm conflicts with libgd2-noxpm. The following packages conflict with libgd2-xpm: * libgd2-noxpm conflicts with libgd2-xpm." How can I now resolve these conflicts? |
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| 08:28.52 | stephan48 | with a debian wheezy(raspbian; rpi) i want to run a wlan accesspoint & client(host a ap and connect to another wlan), how to do this software whise and can someone maybe even suggest a working stick? |
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| 08:31.21 | stephan48 | i take from some research that i would be good to go with an atheros based chip? |
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| 08:32.43 | cm13g09 | stephan48: I believe Atheros chips may be capable of this |
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| 08:33.09 | cm13g09 | although in my personal opinion, I'd choose to go with two wireless cards |
| 08:33.21 | cm13g09 | one for the AP, one for the client |
| 08:33.46 | stephan48 | cm13g09: the clients are notebooks etc |
| 08:34.00 | cm13g09 | I may have misunderstood your question |
| 08:34.05 | stephan48 | cm13g09: and the rpi sadly doesnt have two pci slots ... or rather not even one |
| 08:34.17 | stephan48 | ahm and i missunderstood your answer |
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| 08:34.55 | cm13g09 | are you asking: "How can I connect my RPi to a wireless network, and then host another wireless network from the Rpi" |
| 08:35.06 | stephan48 | yap |
| 08:35.17 | stephan48 | basically i want to use the pi as small router |
| 08:35.23 | cm13g09 | I thought as much |
| 08:35.28 | stephan48 | either connected to target net via wlan or lan |
| 08:35.37 | stephan48 | and then provide a wlan ap |
| 08:35.38 | cm13g09 | ok |
| 08:35.40 | cm13g09 | fine |
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| 08:35.51 | cm13g09 | in which case, my original answer stands |
| 08:36.01 | stephan48 | 2 wlan cards? |
| 08:36.08 | cm13g09 | well, USB-wlan |
| 08:36.10 | stephan48 | and on the pi will i then have a vpn/gw software running |
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| 08:36.40 | cm13g09 | I understand (owning a pair of pis myself), that they have no card slots! |
| 08:36.53 | stephan48 | yip |
| 08:37.02 | stephan48 | that was my problem with your first answer ;) |
| 08:37.20 | cm13g09 | but, yes, I'd use two USB wlan cards |
| 08:37.40 | cm13g09 | it may not be the most efficient, but it'll work |
| 08:37.44 | stephan48 | k |
| 08:38.04 | cm13g09 | and remember, the Pi's USB bus isn't exactly 100% |
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| 08:38.42 | cm13g09 | I regularly lose access to USB peripherals (e.g. LAN port) |
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| 08:38.56 | cm13g09 | if the load gets a little high on the processor |
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| 08:39.16 | stephan48 | ye |
| 08:39.21 | stephan48 | will need to test that |
| 08:39.31 | cm13g09 | also, with 2 wifi cards |
| 08:39.42 | stephan48 | basically i plan it to get rid of my notebook(windoof) doing all the ISC stuff |
| 08:39.54 | cm13g09 | I strongly suggest a powered USB hub between the Pi and the adapter |
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| 08:40.23 | stephan48 | ok |
| 08:40.38 | stephan48 | then i will probably need a power adapter :) |
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| 08:40.45 | cm13g09 | yes |
| 08:40.52 | stephan48 | the solution should be mobile |
| 08:41.05 | cm13g09 | it's doable.... |
| 08:41.20 | cm13g09 | you just need to (ab)use a few 7805 voltage regulators |
| 08:41.27 | stephan48 | currently i plan on using an accupack for powering the pi ;) |
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| 08:42.08 | cm13g09 | you'll need to step the voltage down to 5V for the Pi |
| 08:42.17 | stephan48 | 5000mah at 5V |
| 08:42.23 | cm13g09 | right, OK |
| 08:42.33 | cm13g09 | well, that'll last ~10 hours with the Pi only |
| 08:42.44 | stephan48 | wont need that long ;) |
| 08:42.50 | cm13g09 | Pi plus 2 wireless cards, maybe 3 hours.... |
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| 08:43.32 | stephan48 | yea |
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| 08:43.45 | cm13g09 | that's still enough? |
| 08:44.05 | stephan48 | about 2 school lessons ;) |
| 08:44.24 | cm13g09 | fair enough |
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| 08:45.00 | cm13g09 | well, my suggestion in that case is: take a feed off the battery pack and splice it onto the USB power |
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| 08:45.14 | stephan48 | usb power? for the hub? |
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| 08:45.22 | cm13g09 | no, for the wireless |
| 08:45.34 | cm13g09 | You'll need to do some USB-cable bodging |
| 08:46.06 | cm13g09 | disconnect the 5V line in the USB so the Pi isn't powering the USB wireless |
| 08:46.07 | stephan48 | currently i plan as follows, the pack has 2 outputs, 1 0,5A and 1 1A |
| 08:46.13 | cm13g09 | right.... |
| 08:46.13 | stephan48 | oh ok |
| 08:46.23 | stephan48 | one goes onto the hub one onto the pi |
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| 08:46.29 | cm13g09 | you could do that |
| 08:46.31 | stephan48 | (1a for hub 0,5 for pi) |
| 08:46.45 | cm13g09 | 0.5 for the Pi isn't enough during startup |
| 08:46.51 | stephan48 | oh. |
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| 08:46.54 | stephan48 | the hub will probably backfeed.. |
| 08:47.00 | cm13g09 | it might well do |
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| 08:47.03 | stephan48 | will need to do a lot of testing :) |
| 08:47.04 | cm13g09 | but that's far from ideal |
| 08:47.13 | stephan48 | thanks for your ideas so far |
| 08:47.22 | cm13g09 | and it shouldn't backfeed if designed properly |
| 08:47.30 | stephan48 | yea |
| 08:47.39 | stephan48 | "if designed properly" ... ;) |
| 08:47.40 | cm13g09 | the other option, is omit the hub completeluy |
| 08:47.44 | stephan48 | k |
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| 08:47.55 | stephan48 | and drain from the pi? |
| 08:48.03 | cm13g09 | and just put a USB extension between the Pi and the USB Wireless |
| 08:48.12 | cm13g09 | but cut the 5V line, and splice into it |
| 08:48.26 | cm13g09 | it works, and is quite effective... |
| 08:48.37 | stephan48 | into another plug and then into the pack? |
| 08:48.39 | stephan48 | mh ok |
| 08:48.43 | cm13g09 | or something like that |
| 08:48.58 | cm13g09 | external hard disks often have 2 USB connectors |
| 08:49.04 | stephan48 | yea |
| 08:49.10 | cm13g09 | (USB A that is) |
| 08:49.26 | cm13g09 | so, you could go down that route if you really wanted to.... |
| 08:49.33 | stephan48 | got a few of these y cables around |
| 08:49.41 | cm13g09 | yeah |
| 08:49.43 | cm13g09 | ok |
| 08:49.55 | cm13g09 | well, there's a few options to play with |
| 08:50.02 | stephan48 | will need to think about how to do all that in the end :) |
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| 08:50.04 | stephan48 | thanks! |
| 08:50.13 | cm13g09 | but remember that the Pi, at peak, can draw 0.75A |
| 08:50.38 | cm13g09 | that's only for a second or so during boot I've seen it do that |
| 08:50.52 | cm13g09 | but if the power isn't there |
| 08:50.52 | stephan48 | k |
| 08:51.00 | stephan48 | nice results ;) |
| 08:51.01 | cm13g09 | the SD card usually resets |
| 08:51.10 | stephan48 | ye |
| 08:51.18 | cm13g09 | which can cause problems... |
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| 08:51.36 | cm13g09 | hope that helps! |
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| 08:53.13 | stephan48 | we will see! thanks so far! |
| 08:53.48 | cm13g09 | no problem! |
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| 08:56.16 | otkrick | guys, remind me please, how to find path of script in the same script? |
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| 08:56.47 | otkrick | * sh/bash |
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| 08:59.24 | dizzylizzy | is there a way to query apt/dpkg for, say, a list of packages installed from the "www.deb-multimedia.org" repo (as opposed to the official ones) ? |
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| 08:59.59 | themill | !dmm list |
| 08:59.59 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from deb-multimedia.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p'. Note: apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). See also <which repo>. |
| 09:00.36 | dizzylizzy | themill, HA, thanks themill |
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| 09:10.19 | hipodilski | hi by default Debian /home directory created users are not restrictive is there a certain command to change the default security settings of /home |
| 09:12.02 | berarma | hipodilski: man adduser.conf |
| 09:13.05 | berarma | !tell hipodilski -about homedir permissions |
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| 09:14.15 | hipodilski | berarma: thanks ! |
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| 09:16.51 | Peace- | could someone tell me what this gives on debian ? |
| 09:16.54 | Peace- | lsb_release -a 2>&1| awk '/Release:/{gsub(/\./,"");print $2}' |
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| 09:18.29 | _bt | Peace-: 605 |
| 09:19.06 | Peace- | _bt: coud paste me the line lsb_release -a 2>&1ù |
| 09:19.23 | Peace- | _bt: coud paste me the line lsb_release -a 2>&1 |
| 09:19.29 | _bt | No LSB modules are available. |
| 09:19.29 | _bt | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 09:19.29 | _bt | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) |
| 09:19.29 | _bt | Release:6.0.5 |
| 09:19.29 | _bt | Codename:squeeze |
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| 09:20.37 | themill | ("lsb_release -rs" looks easier...) |
| 09:20.56 | Peace- | let me try that |
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| 09:21.25 | Peace- | themill: mm i thought |
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| 09:21.34 | Peace- | i need to detect that is debian |
| 09:21.44 | themill | what are you really trying to do? |
| 09:21.57 | Peace- | well i did ffmpeg service menu |
| 09:22.03 | Peace- | and i have made the function compile ffmpeg |
| 09:22.09 | md_5 | I am currently using Wheezy and have been for nearly I year, any word on the final release? |
| 09:22.19 | Peace- | because on debian and ubuntu and whatever ffmpeg is not in the repository |
| 09:22.25 | themill | md_5: sooner if you help |
| 09:22.47 | themill | Peace-: ffmpeg is, but it is a wrapper around libav |
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| 09:22.50 | Peace- | so i need to load the function only if there is debian \ubuntu \ derived |
| 09:22.56 | Peace- | themill: so it's not ffmpeg |
| 09:23.40 | themill | Peace-: does the same things in the same way... |
| 09:24.05 | Peace- | don't mind the part ffmpeg blabla i have my idea about that , what i am interested right now it's to load function only if it's running debian |
| 09:24.32 | themill | Peace-: in any case, there are also 3rd party repositories that already provide ffmpeg... you don't need to be compiling it on end-user systems |
| 09:24.52 | Peace- | themill: well it's an option i have given to users |
| 09:24.57 | Peace- | if the want they can |
| 09:25.01 | Peace- | they |
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| 09:25.50 | themill | Peace-: you will always be better of testing if the actual functionality is there or not rather than testing for whatever distro it is. Derivatives differ and they aren't always good at changing lsb information. (and lsb_release isn't even necessarily present on a debian system) |
| 09:26.44 | Peace- | themill: well do yu know some trick to get if it's running debian or not? |
| 09:26.58 | Peace- | or i guess i will support ubuntu btw |
| 09:27.02 | themill | I thought I just covered that |
| 09:27.32 | Peace- | thsi ? [11:20] <themill> ("lsb_release -rs" looks easier...) |
| 09:27.39 | Peace- | well that gives numbers |
| 09:27.45 | themill | Peace-: you will always be better of testing if the actual functionality is there |
| 09:27.49 | Peace- | i guess i need "debian" |
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| 09:28.09 | themill | Peace-: if you want to know if ffmpeg is there, then look for /usr/bin/ffmpeg |
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| 09:29.03 | Peace- | themill: you don't undestand the problem |
| 09:29.05 | Mediarocker | Ello peoples |
| 09:29.11 | Peace- | i don't want use ffmpeg from repo themill |
| 09:29.24 | Peace- | it's deprecated and it's not the same of ffmpeg compiled properly |
| 09:29.28 | Peace- | with all the codecds |
| 09:29.30 | Peace- | so ... |
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| 09:29.54 | themill | Peace-: so use avconv instead. |
| 09:30.16 | Peace- | omg ok themill you are not useful to me 1 because you did not understand |
| 09:30.22 | Peace- | 2 because i want compile ffmpeg |
| 09:30.34 | Peace- | i don't wnat my users use avconv |
| 09:30.36 | themill | And I'm telling you that users do not want to compile ffmpeg... |
| 09:30.50 | Peace- | themill: you know it ? |
| 09:30.56 | Peace- | omg troll |
| 09:31.03 | themill | Peace-: please test for functionality rather than program names and versions, Life will be better for everyone. |
| 09:31.08 | Peace- | :D ok removing support for debian |
| 09:31.12 | themill | byw |
| 09:31.50 | Peace- | you behavior it's stupid |
| 09:32.02 | Peace- | you are not users so you can't tell anything |
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| 09:32.16 | themill | Peace-: test for functionality being present rather than names and versions is a pretty basic principle. |
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| 09:32.46 | themill | Peace-: What if the user has already compiled ffmpeg themselves? Now your thing will try to do it again for them and make an even bigger mess. |
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| 09:33.13 | boudiccas | Peace-: you are being a time wasting troll, its you that is stupid. you're being given good advice by a debian user yet you choose to ignore it. its youir choice |
| 09:33.27 | themill | Peace-: What if (zomg) debian's ffmpeg does actually work for everything the user wants to do (I bet it does)... you've just made a big pile of mess for the user without providing any benefit to them at all |
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| 09:34.00 | themill | Peace-, boudiccas: let's leave name calling out of this. It won't get us anywhere. |
| 09:34.25 | streuner | is searching for popcorn... |
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| 10:05.54 | Cart | Hey Guys I was hoping anybody could please tell me whats wrong with my Konsole or VI perhaps I folow some tutorials but for some reason my VI just doesnt work the same for instance when I say " I " or " :I " of both of them uncapitalized it doesnt seem to do anything |
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| 10:06.12 | Cart | Im having allot of trouble getting it to work :( and I need to study and I cant |
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| 10:08.09 | vizzy | whats the common pdf viewer app called? i used kpdf on lenny, but its gone in squeeze. whats its new name? |
| 10:08.21 | themill | vizzy: okular |
| 10:08.29 | streuner | vizzy: default is xpdf, but use what themill told you |
| 10:08.30 | boudiccas | evince? |
| 10:08.45 | streuner | vizzy: okular is just great |
| 10:08.51 | vizzy | ah, okular |
| 10:09.03 | Cart | Hey Guys I was hoping anybody could please tell me whats wrong with my Konsole or VI perhaps I folow some tutorials but for some reason my VI just doesnt work the same for instance when I say " I " or " :I " of both of them uncapitalized it doesnt seem to do anything |
| 10:09.06 | babilen | Cart: What did you expect to happen? |
| 10:09.07 | Cart | :( |
| 10:09.12 | Cart | well |
| 10:09.17 | vizzy | i wonder how people came to all this crazty names :) and ... can remember them |
| 10:09.19 | Cart | I is for Edit right? |
| 10:09.21 | babilen | Cart: So to clarify: You are running Debian VERSION and you edit a file in vi (rather SOME_VIM (check "aptitude versions ~i~nvim")). Directly after opening a file you enter: '" I "' (input denoted by ' (yes, that is one " followed by two spaces ...)) and nothing happens. What happens instead? And please do not repeat your question! |
| 10:09.29 | jelly-home | Cart: lowercase i is, yes |
| 10:09.36 | babilen | Cart: "i" switches you to input mode, not "I" |
| 10:09.47 | Cart | Yea I did try i |
| 10:09.50 | Cart | sorry for te double post |
| 10:09.56 | themill | vizzy: people used to rant about how they didn't like all the programs starting with k ... |
| 10:10.24 | vizzy | themill, the time where kde apps had a k in front of its name is over :) |
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| 10:10.39 | Cart | ok currently what happens is..the little purple Character goes away then I can tipe in whatever I want to but it doenst do anything and then when I say " wq " nothing happens |
| 10:10.46 | berarma | vizzy: on a desktop session you can open a PDF just doing "xdg-open filename" |
| 10:11.10 | berarma | vizzy: you don't have to care about the app as long as you installed a desktop task |
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| 10:11.26 | vizzy | berarma, xdg will determine the correct app for that file? using configured apps? |
| 10:11.48 | jelly-home | Cart: could you avoid extra spaces when quoting actual commands you used, if you meant wq, write just "wq" |
| 10:11.49 | themill | vizzy: xdg-* will use your desktop environment's file associations |
| 10:12.00 | Cart | my VI doesnt seem to be workign the same way as the UNIX one does on the tutorial...I thought they were all the smae? |
| 10:12.03 | themill | Cart: and if you meant ":wq" then write that ;) |
| 10:12.07 | vizzy | themill, yep, thats what i mean. |
| 10:12.10 | vizzy | thx |
| 10:12.19 | babilen | Cart: It is ":wq" not "wq" -- "iwq" should cause vim to enter input more (i) and you then input wq which causes the buffer to be filled with "wq" |
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| 10:13.16 | babilen | Cart: Please see my first question and provide the relevant information on http://paste.debian.net -- In particular the aptitude output is interesting. I also still don't understand what you do *exactly*, what you think should happen and what did happen. |
| 10:13.24 | babilen | s/more/mode |
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| 10:13.30 | themill | Cart: at the level of inputting text, saving and quitting like you are doing here, vim and old unix vi are the same. The differences come in cursor keys while in input mode actually working (who'd have thought) and some more advanced macro stuff that is a long way beyond what you're doing here. |
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| 10:13.56 | yalu_ | is it possible to have utf-8 in terminals etc. and not to have localisation? So basically LANG or LC_ALL set to C, but to have utf-8 support? |
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| 10:14.19 | themill | yalu_: there's a C.UTF-8 locale |
| 10:14.23 | babilen | yalu_: C.UTF-8 ? |
| 10:15.25 | themill | yalu_: alternatively, you can set whatever language you like for messages separately to the character encoding (have a look at the output of "locale" and you'll see LC_CTYPE) |
| 10:16.38 | Cart | Ok so how would you go about just inserting "Test" into a txt file ? Like this maybe ( 1. vi /etc/test.txt 2.press "i" for input mode 3.insert "test" 4.press ":wq" ? |
| 10:17.21 | Peace- | themill: you are sick , my ffmpeg is compiled locally in the home |
| 10:17.22 | babilen | Cart: 3.5 ESC (leave input mode) |
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| 10:17.27 | Peace- | themill: really you are poor |
| 10:17.30 | yalu_ | I am not sure I fully grasp the connection between LC_* and LANG... is LANG merely a fallback? |
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| 10:17.43 | themill | Peace-: we like to keep it civilised in here. Thanks. |
| 10:17.54 | Cart | ok let me try exactly that |
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| 10:18.32 | themill | Cart: you need to hit escape between 3 and 4 to leave insert mode, of course |
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| 10:18.50 | Cart | hahahah YEAAAA it worked :) |
| 10:18.58 | babilen | Cart: ... or CTRL-[ |
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| 10:19.12 | Cart | Wish it told you atleast that youre in Edit mode though |
| 10:19.14 | Cart | input mdoe |
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| 10:19.31 | babilen | Cart: May I suggest "vimtutor" along with http://www.derekwyatt.org/vim/vim-tutorial-videos/vim-novice-tutorial-videos/ |
| 10:19.47 | bool | i have installed some apps from backports, now i want to stop using backports and use the default instead when i can. how do i do this? |
| 10:19.54 | themill | Cart: if you create a .vimrc and run vim in "vim" mode rather than "vi" mode, then it will tell you when you are in insert mode |
| 10:20.00 | Cart | ty guy babilen...will check oit out |
| 10:20.03 | babilen | Cart: You probably want to install one of the more complete vim packages such as vim-gnome, vim-gtk or vim-nox as well. |
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| 10:20.18 | Cart | that has a GUI thing going? |
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| 10:20.56 | babilen | Cart: Yes, that comes with a GTK gui but more importantly gets you a lot of desirable features such as syntax highlighting (etc) |
| 10:21.57 | Cart | Ohh ok I see..but I just first want to learn the hard way then ill go to smooth sailing otherwise ill probably just forget.Really LOVE linux though ghez just sucked me right in |
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| 10:24.18 | babilen | Cart: There is absolutely no point in "learning it the hard way" -- Just install vim-gtk or vim-gnome and run "vimtutor" -- Also ask in #vim for good beginner tutorials, but I guess that "vimtutor" along with Derek's videos are all you need at first. There is also ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/doc/book/vimbook-OPL.pdf which is a complete and free book on vim (a bit dated, but *very* good) |
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| 10:26.27 | Cart | Thanks allot for the Advice Babilen...Im busy learning how to connect 2 Linux computers over the network and also share printers and stuff Thus I need the VI / VIM tool to edit the hosts.txt folders etc |
| 10:26.44 | Cart | Files rather then folders |
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| 10:27.26 | babilen | Cart: Sure -- I would also like to recommend http://debian-handbook.info/ and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ which will teach you more than you need about Debian. ;) |
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| 10:29.14 | babilen | Cart: But "vimtutor" shouldn't take more than an hour and should teach you enough to be able to edit comfortably with vim |
| 10:29.29 | berarma | bool: you can purge all packages from backports, then remove backports and reinstall them |
| 10:29.34 | yalu_ | hmm, why does Debian set "LANG" and not "LC_ALL" or when you select a default locale? because it's supposed to be of less priority than LC_* ? |
| 10:29.39 | Cart | can I find it in Synaptic packet manager? |
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| 10:30.53 | berarma | yalu_: LC_ALL overrides the settings in the other LC_* vars |
| 10:31.04 | themill | Cart: it's in the vim-runtime package (that you probably already have installed) |
| 10:31.50 | berarma | yalu_: by setting your locale to C you aren't disabling UTF-8 afaik |
| 10:32.27 | bool | berarma, by removing backports you mean removing from the source.list? |
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| 10:32.36 | berarma | bool: yes |
| 10:32.47 | bool | k, thanks |
| 10:33.05 | yalu_ | berarma: well a couple minutes ago on this channel I learned that you can actually use C.UTF-8, only since C is "no" locale, you can 't generate it - at least not by dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:33.05 | berarma | bool: downgrading packages would be another option but less safe I think |
| 10:34.07 | bool | berarma, wouln't a downgrade also mean removing the new (backport) and then install an older version? or is there a difference? |
| 10:34.46 | berarma | bool: no, and yes, the difference is in keeping the configuration files |
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| 10:34.59 | bool | ahh. ok |
| 10:35.00 | babilen | Cart: themill mentioned if already and you should have it with even the tiniest vim package. I would still recommend to install vim-gnome or vim-gtk to replace the vim-tiny package that is installed by default. |
| 10:35.12 | berarma | yalu_: I don't think you need to generate C.UTF-8, just use it |
| 10:36.00 | berarma | yalu_: sry, I thought you were asking, I think you already solved it |
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| 10:39.01 | yalu_ | berarma: well from experiments I can now say that you only can use utf-8 when using an utf-8 locale. generating a couple of utf-8 locales and setting the environment to C.UTF-8 isn't enough. |
| 10:39.38 | yalu_ | at least: you can set LANG, but it makes no difference; and if I set LC_ALL, I'm even getting an error because 'no such file or directory' |
| 10:39.53 | berarma | yalu_: I didn't know, what's failing? |
| 10:41.10 | yalu_ | pe typing é in the console... |
| 10:42.26 | yalu_ | and apparently it even needs to be set right at log in, because setting either of these variables to pe en_US.UTF-8 doens't suddenly allow to type non-ascii characters. that must have something to do with SSH |
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| 10:47.36 | boudiccas | i'm trying to run the command .. udevadm info --query=property --path=$(udevadm info --query=path --name=/dev/sdX) ...on wheezy but its failing because 'udevadm' is not a valid command. is udevadm available as a package, or a command in a package please? i cant find it in synaptic, so now wonder about the validity of the whole command |
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| 10:51.01 | Trewas | boudiccas: it's in package udev, unlikely you would miss it... it's in /sbin/ though so meant to be used by root |
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| 10:52.06 | boudiccas | Trewas: ah, thanks |
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| 10:59.57 | boudiccas | when running .. sudo udevadm info --query =property --path=$(udevadm info --query=path --name=/dev/sdX) on wheezy i get the reply ...bash: udevadm: command not found . has it changed on wheezy? udev is instaled and uptodate too |
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| 11:02.18 | Brigo | boudiccas: i am using sid and: Package: udev Version: 175-7 which udevadm -->> /sbin/udevadm |
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| 11:03.47 | babilen | !tell boudiccas -about sudo path |
| 11:04.01 | babilen | boudiccas: It is typically a good idea to read changelogs and debconf NEWS |
| 11:04.17 | boudiccas | yes, i've done a 'locate udevadm' and its found in /sbin, but then why doesnt my command work and pick it up? |
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| 11:05.39 | Brigo | boudiccas: a problem with PATH ? |
| 11:05.56 | Brigo | try sudo /sbin/udevadm ... |
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| 11:08.03 | babilen | boudiccas: Have you read dpkg's message about changes in the way PATH is handled by sudo? |
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| 11:09.15 | boudiccas | babilen: yes, i've just read it and the path is set exactly as dpkg says in /etc/sudoers. so i still dont understand why my command doesnt respect the path and pick up udevadm |
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| 11:11.16 | babilen | boudiccas: May I see? |
| 11:11.24 | boudiccas | even when running as .. sudo /sbin/udevadm info --query =property --path=$(udevadm info --query=path --name=/dev/sdX) .. its failing to find udevadm, so what am i missing here in my understanding then please? |
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| 11:12.39 | babilen | boudiccas: What does "ls -l /sbin/udevadm" give you? What about "dpkg -l udev|tail -n1" ? |
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| 11:15.22 | boudiccas | babilen: http://dpaste.com/799364/ |
| 11:16.04 | babilen | boudiccas: What about "/sbin/udevadm --help" ? |
| 11:16.54 | sephii | so I think I found why my system is taking so long to shut down. I have an init script that does this when stopped: start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --retry=0/30/KILL/5 --exec $DAEMON I read the start-stop-daemon page and I'm not sure what the --retry syntax is. Does that mean that if there's still a process after 30 seconds it should return an exit code of 0? |
| 11:17.33 | boudiccas | babilen: http://dpaste.com/799365/ |
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| 11:18.13 | babilen | boudiccas: So, that works. Now try "sudo /sbin/udevadm --help" :) |
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| 11:19.48 | boudiccas | babilen: exactly the same as the previous udevadm --help command |
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| 11:20.48 | babilen | boudiccas: So ... well ... it clearly ... not sure how to break it to you ... but .. it well .. like .. clearly finds udevadm |
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| 11:21.38 | babilen | boudiccas: I reckon it's your "--path" -- What are you trying to do anyway? |
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| 11:22.13 | bhasker | i want to remove the battery status indicator from the gnome panel |
| 11:22.13 | boudiccas | babilen: yes, i agree. so why doesnt my original command of .. sudo /sbin/udevadm info --query =property --path=$(udevadm info --query=path --name=/dev/sdX) work and find the correct path? everything is set up and runnign corretcly with the correct paths but the command is failing to find udevadm |
| 11:22.35 | bhasker | does someone know how can I achieve it ? This is the stock battery indicator which comes with gnome-panel |
| 11:22.51 | babilen | boudiccas: Shouldn't the second call to udevadm be in a subshell? Shouldn't that be in `...` or $(...) ? |
| 11:23.30 | boudiccas | babillei'm trying to find the udev path for my mobile plugged in and recongised under lsusb. then i'm hoping to write a udev rule to enable me to ultimately flash it |
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| 11:24.21 | babilen | boudiccas: I still don't understand what you are actually trying to do? Why do you have "--path=$(udevadm info --query=path --name=/dev/sdX)" in there? Btw, --name=/dev/sdX) is almost certainly wrong (X is a placeholder and device names are lowercase) |
| 11:24.45 | Brigo | boudiccas: i have no path in /etc/sudoers, i have it in my own user .bashrc. |
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| 11:25.24 | Brigo | bhasker: gnome3? |
| 11:25.26 | babilen | boudiccas: It's still about that? Have you read http://developer.android.com/tools/device.html ? |
| 11:25.41 | bhasker | yes |
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| 11:26.04 | bhasker | Brigo: yes, but not the gnome-shell it is the classic gnome-panel since gnome-shell is taking too much CPU on my ntebook |
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| 11:26.28 | boudiccas | babilen: i'm trying to use a java programme called 'FlashTool' which will enable me to flash my mobile and upgrade the OS of it. But its failing to run due to not having a udev rule for the androind mobile. no, i havent read that link, but i will do so now, thanks |
| 11:26.28 | babilen | boudiccas: In particular "Set up your system to detect your device." -- Which udev rule are you using right now? |
| 11:26.36 | Brigo | bhasker: try to hold shift and pick with the right mouse on the icon. |
| 11:26.42 | bhasker | Brigo: I tried the internet but not much information on removing the default battery applet .. it is a bit annoying |
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| 11:27.32 | bhasker | Brigo: Tried both shift as-well-as 'alt' buttons when using right click ... no use |
| 11:27.41 | boudiccas | babilen: i've just amended it to one i got from an email from the debian-users mailing list to .. SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0fce", MODE="0666", GROUP="plugdev" ... but i have't tried it out yet |
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| 11:28.37 | babilen | boudiccas: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Udev is not bad as well, but this really isn't Debian specific anymore. I would ask in whatever channel is used by the firmware you are trying to flash. That udev rule looks correct (if your device is, in fact, manufactured by Sony Ericsson) |
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| 11:29.34 | boudiccas | babilen: yes, its correctly recognised in lsusb and is a Sony Ericsson mobile, i just have to try the tool out now. thanks anyway |
| 11:29.40 | Brigo | bhasker: i am using gnome3 classic, like you, and i can remove applets with alt + rigth button mouse. |
| 11:30.09 | babilen | boudiccas: Don't forget to run "udevadm trigger" after adding that rule! |
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| 11:36.46 | bhasker | Brigo: I had to log out and login since my shift key somehow got stuck when doing it. |
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| 11:37.36 | bhasker | Brigo: Only manually added applets can be removed using 'alt-rightclock'. This is the stock applet which shows the battery status which comes with the gnome panel. I want to remove this. Are you able to remove this ? |
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| 11:48.32 | yalu_ | themill: babilen berarma - there is work being done on C.UTF-8 but it's not available in Squeeze (see Bug#634167 pe). I'm just going to compromise and set the default system locale to en_US or something. |
| 11:49.18 | berarma | yalu_: I just checked is working here in testing |
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| 11:51.30 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 11:52.59 | Harzilein | settings* |
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| 12:02.51 | Cymew | Anyone good with expect? I SEND a string but see no response unless I put an INTERACT in there and then it shows. But, since I want to automate it kind of defeats the purpose... |
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| 12:04.33 | themill | yalu_: I'd have expected setting most LC_*=C except for LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 would give you the desired results in squeeze too |
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| 12:13.04 | guardian | hi |
| 12:13.24 | chalcedony` | is there a way to replace networking files in debian? |
| 12:13.45 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: define "networking files" |
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| 12:13.59 | chalcedony` | i plugged in new usb headphones, the system crashed, and now it won't see the lan. it says eth0 doesn't exist. |
| 12:14.35 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: ifconfig -a does show anything |
| 12:14.40 | nsadmin | what (was) eth0? |
| 12:14.59 | chalcedony` | let me go look ChrisH |
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| 12:16.22 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, ifconfig -a bash: ifconfig: command not found |
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| 12:16.57 | bhasker | giving up ... I am not getting a clue on how to remove the battery status icon from gnome3-panel |
| 12:17.03 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: sudo /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 12:17.08 | chalcedony` | ok |
| 12:17.20 | bhasker | anybody who have some clues help please |
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| 12:18.26 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, that's an issue of $PATH: the value of that variable determines the search path to be used when the command name does not contain "/", and is different for root than it is for plain users (by default) |
| 12:18.32 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, lo Link encaap: Local Loopback ; inet addr: 127.0.0.1 Msk:255.0.0.0 .. etc. |
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| 12:19.22 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, hmm should i have been root? |
| 12:19.24 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: only lo? No eth at all? |
| 12:19.44 | nsadmin | so you would see paragraphs and labels... you only see one label (lo) and one paragraph? |
| 12:19.54 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, pan0 Link encap:Ethernet Hwaddr .. |
| 12:20.05 | chalcedony` | no eth ChrisH |
| 12:20.06 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, for reading, ifconfig is not root only |
| 12:20.22 | nsadmin | so, lo and pan0? |
| 12:20.32 | chalcedony` | correct nsadmin |
| 12:20.39 | themill | bhasker: you might find more gnome3 users in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:20.56 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: Please do not drop stuff. Please pastebin ifconfig -a Did you powercycle the box? real power off not only reboot? |
| 12:21.25 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, i'm on a laptop, the debian box has no connection |
| 12:21.27 | nsadmin | ok... one test you might perform... remove the headphones, reboot, come back here (don't plug in headphones) then look at ifconfig -a again (and wait till ChrisH says go) |
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| 12:21.58 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, forget the headphones. i was terrified my computer was dead. |
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| 12:22.17 | bhasker | themill:thanks |
| 12:22.42 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: I agree to nsadmin action plan, but strictly recommend a powercyle. meaning poweroff |
| 12:23.03 | chalcedony` | ok i'll try that again |
| 12:23.26 | chalcedony` | you don't want me to type all of ifconfig -a ? |
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| 12:23.51 | nsadmin | no, you look at it |
| 12:24.42 | nsadmin | first thing we will want to know is, woudl there be a difference in the number of paragraph/labels |
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| 12:27.47 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, ChrisH no difference |
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| 12:28.55 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, ok... the standard thing (to start with) assumption is "driver for your net card not inserted into kernel space" |
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| 12:29.21 | boudiccas | how do i find out my java version under wheezy please? i'm using the default wheezy version with jdk 0.7 installed, no java from roacle |
| 12:29.49 | nevyn | update-java-alternatives --display |
| 12:29.57 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 12:30.00 | ksuhku | bhasker, one way is to remove a .desktop while somewhere |
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| 12:30.04 | danieldeusing | is there any way to add a udev rule to run a script if a device with symlink=="xyz" is removed ? |
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| 12:30.50 | danieldeusing | i have read some things about ENV vars but its not working actually |
| 12:30.59 | danieldeusing | ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="ttyUSB?", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", SYMLINK+="enoceanstick", RUN+="/etc/dse/blink_stop_red.sh" |
| 12:31.02 | danieldeusing | ACTION=="remove", KERNEL=="ttyUSB?", RUN+="/etc/dse/blink_red.sh" |
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| 12:31.22 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: lspci does still show the NIC? anything in dmesg showing a problem with firmware? I could imaging that it is an issue with filesystem problems caused from the reboot |
| 12:31.32 | danieldeusing | thats the working rule, but this runs the script at every time a usb device is removed |
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| 12:34.31 | ksuhku | bhasker, i believe the file is gnome-sound-applet.desktop |
| 12:34.37 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, lspci | grep -i ethernet doesn't show anything |
| 12:35.02 | boudiccas | using this command i get this result .. sudo update-java-alternatives --display ... X: --display . it doesn't seem to recognise the --display command. is there another alterniative please to get my java version under wheezy? |
| 12:35.05 | chalcedony` | what arguments for dmesg should i use? |
| 12:35.30 | themill | boudiccas: java -version |
| 12:36.33 | boudiccas | themill: that gives ... Unrecognized option: --version Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 12:36.44 | themill | boudiccas: that's not the command I gave you |
| 12:37.02 | boudiccas | themill: ah , one - only |
| 12:37.13 | themill | yeah, Sun/Oracle java is speshul |
| 12:37.37 | boudiccas | brilliant, thanks, thats got it |
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| 12:38.46 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: lshw -short -C network |
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| 12:41.27 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, thanks! |
| 12:41.35 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:41.40 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:42.27 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, lshw -short -C network ; bash: lshw: command not found |
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| 12:43.05 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: if lshw is not installed... try dmesg | more and check for unusual lines |
| 12:43.48 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, i'll try it's hard to tell because i don't know how it's supposed to look |
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| 12:44.44 | nsadmin | Agiofws, there's a 4-port hub? |
| 12:45.08 | Agiofws | yes |
| 12:45.19 | Agiofws | but its a dsl modem also |
| 12:45.36 | nsadmin | which probably means it's also a router? |
| 12:45.40 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: is the box near you? If yes you could use an USB stick to transfer some data to pastebin |
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| 12:47.32 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, you might find stuff like reasons something attempted couildn't succeed |
| 12:48.17 | ^DEMOSS^ | hello, can i get help here on debian 4 ? |
| 12:48.41 | nsadmin | well debian 4 is end-of-lifed years ago |
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| 12:48.57 | nsadmin | but what do you want? |
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| 12:49.59 | freebird | you guys, please, why is my sound not working ? I've alsa running just fine, but alsamixer wont load, |
| 12:50.05 | freebird | any help is welcome please |
| 12:50.21 | nsadmin | ^DEMOSS^, or not... the latest stable is debian 6 which means you're two upgrades behind |
| 12:50.53 | nsadmin | freebird, why does alsamixer not load? |
| 12:51.38 | freebird | nsadmin, not sure man, |
| 12:51.46 | nsadmin | it must say -something- |
| 12:52.02 | freebird | nsadmin, cannot load mixer controls: not valid arguments ( translated from portuguese) |
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| 12:52.40 | nsadmin | ok, not going into detail, that probably means some drivers are not installe |
| 12:52.43 | nsadmin | d |
| 12:53.23 | freebird | what do you suggest ? |
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| 12:53.58 | ^DEMOSS^ | can i get help, if i do not have any chance to upgrade system ? ( i can't upgrade this working place, couse we have a document on debian 4.0 attestation ) :( this computer using only for 3 pple ) |
| 12:54.22 | ^DEMOSS^ | some secret work |
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| 12:55.21 | nsadmin | ^DEMOSS^, probably I have no specific help for debian 4 as my memory isn't -that- good |
| 12:55.33 | nsadmin | why can't you upgrade? |
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| 12:56.49 | nsadmin | ^DEMOSS^, do you have a spare, empty box? |
| 12:57.41 | nsadmin | ^DEMOSS^, anyway, in order to get specific help, we have to know in detail what you want |
| 12:57.48 | ^DEMOSS^ | ðüü |
| 12:57.48 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 12:57.48 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 12:57.50 | ^DEMOSS^ | hmm |
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| 12:59.45 | ^DEMOSS^ | no, we can't upgrade \ reinstall system and cant using new computer to 25 december 2012 year |
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| 13:00.32 | nsadmin | so far you've asked for help... I can't respond to that request because (a) I don't know what you want and (b) since I don't know what you want, I cannot determine if I have enough information to help |
| 13:00.37 | ChrisH | ^DEMOSS^: ask your Q and not ask to ask. |
| 13:01.30 | ^DEMOSS^ | i find some solution in internet, i think it must work - if it not working - i back here. Thank you. |
| 13:01.35 | nsadmin | can I ask to see if I can determine whethher I have permission to make a query about asking questions in general? |
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| 13:03.18 | DammitJim | is the best way to get details about an X crash by using gdb? |
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| 13:05.30 | nsadmin | DammitJim, gdb is essentially a microscope |
| 13:05.38 | DammitJim | :) |
| 13:05.52 | DammitJim | once I capture the backtrace, where do I submit it? |
| 13:05.53 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, i don't think it's seeing that usb stick |
| 13:05.57 | DammitJim | I think I"m having problems with xorg |
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| 13:06.25 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: It seems that the box is having some other issue |
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| 13:07.29 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, or the usb stick is |
| 13:08.26 | nsadmin | if you have a dump file (and, maybe, source of x somewhere gdb expects it and compiled with -g), you can view the stack at the point of the crash and look at the source at each stack frame |
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| 13:09.35 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, it sees: 500gb file system, 500 gb file system, CD/DVD drive and file system - but it says i don't own the file system. |
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| 13:09.58 | chalcedony` | it's refusing to let me copy to it |
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| 13:10.12 | babilen | DammitJim: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/XserverDebugging |
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| 13:11.51 | roy__ | whats the equivalent for winrar for linux ? |
| 13:12.18 | babilen | roy__: unrar (-nonfree) |
| 13:12.24 | babilen | !tell roy__ -about search |
| 13:12.40 | alpre | roy__: or 7zip, unpacks all |
| 13:12.41 | babilen | !tell roy__ -about rar |
| 13:12.47 | nsadmin | DammitJim, and the point of the crash is one tiny point in time, and the purpose of gdb in this scenario is to look at details about that one moment |
| 13:13.00 | DammitJim | right |
| 13:13.07 | DammitJim | ok, that link is super helpful, babilen thanks! |
| 13:13.17 | babilen | alpre: Wouldn't that be p7zip-rar ? |
| 13:13.27 | roy__ | ok thnx |
| 13:13.34 | alpre | babilen: I thought he would find it too |
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| 13:13.59 | alpre | babilen: for unpacking, it is not needed I think, just for creation of rar |
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| 13:14.14 | nsadmin | DammitJim, so the microscope of gdb should be just one of many tools in your bag |
| 13:14.15 | babilen | *shrug* -- I haven't used rar in ages and don't care about it at all :) |
| 13:14.23 | alpre | haven't either |
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| 13:15.16 | DammitJim | a little bit off topic... maybe there is another place to read about this but how come I don't have an xorg.conf file? I understand that's the way it should be, but everywhere you read, they talk about adding options to it? I just use arandr to configure my monitors and that's it... |
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| 13:15.31 | babilen | <offtopic> The fact that I had to pay money for winzip and winrar finally convinced me to completely switch to Linux back in the late nineties </offtopic> |
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| 13:15.47 | chalcedony` | babilen, you did the right thing |
| 13:15.54 | babilen | I know |
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| 13:16.03 | DammitJim | LOL @ babilen... |
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| 13:16.10 | oggei | hi |
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| 13:16.16 | babilen | !tell DammitJim -about xorg.conf.d |
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| 13:17.15 | babilen | DammitJim: *If* you need to configure something manually you should create small .conf files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ with *only* those entries that you want. |
| 13:17.20 | DammitJim | thanks, babilen ... so one can create an xorg.conf, but it's not necessary if you don't need to do anything special... is that the idea? |
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| 13:18.08 | babilen | DammitJim: No, the idea is to never use an xorg.conf, but to let Xorg configure itself automatically. If manual configuration is needed or wanted you create small files with whatever section/options you want in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 13:18.13 | DammitJim | would one of those cases be if I want my laptop to automatically detect my 2 external monitors and set the proper resolution for them? |
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| 13:19.37 | babilen | DammitJim: Are they not correctly detected and configured? |
| 13:19.53 | jelly-home | DammitJim: nah, that can be set up from the DE or with xrandr at login time or any time afterwards |
| 13:20.01 | DammitJim | no, when I boot up, it just does a "mirror" and it uses a lousy resolution |
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| 13:20.33 | DammitJim | then what I do is open arandr and run the scripts it created to configure the monitors accordingly |
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| 13:20.54 | rical | would it be possible to su to a user and enter password from root account? |
| 13:20.57 | DammitJim | I have 3 scripts that are for different configurations, but that's the arandr way, not the debian way I'm sure |
| 13:20.59 | jelly-home | ah, so you're already doing that |
| 13:20.59 | rical | I want to test the users password |
| 13:21.40 | DammitJim | I want it to detect them automatically (i.e. 2 external monitors, 1 external monitor and laptop monitor, just laptop monitor, etc) |
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| 13:21.49 | jelly-home | DammitJim: there's no "debian" way I'm afraid, the great wisdom of Xorg devels was to let the DE or wm people manage it instead |
| 13:22.11 | DammitJim | DE meaning? |
| 13:22.20 | jelly-home | desktop environment |
| 13:22.23 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 13:22.33 | DammitJim | so, in my case, it would be e17? |
| 13:22.37 | jelly-home | right |
| 13:22.53 | jelly-home | does it have anything of its own to do the things arandr does? |
| 13:23.00 | DammitJim | when I was using an nvidia card, by using nvidia-settings this was all saved and configured automatically |
| 13:23.16 | DammitJim | it does, but it's pretty primitive for multiple monitors |
| 13:23.26 | DammitJim | which is why I'm using arandr instead |
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| 13:23.54 | DammitJim | that's why I was asking... it seems I should add a .conf file with the configuration I want for the different monitor layouts I have |
| 13:24.26 | DammitJim | which is really only 1... so, when it "Detects" the 2 monitors, it should automatically use the proper resolution, layout and be done |
| 13:24.51 | DammitJim | would it be wrong to do Xorg -configure ? |
| 13:25.04 | babilen | DammitJim: I am essentially doing the same thing -- There are a couple of scripts floating around on the internet that allow you to cycle through different sets of settings, but I found them all to be inferiour/ugly. (last time I checked) |
| 13:25.04 | DammitJim | that statement sounded lazy |
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| 13:25.27 | DammitJim | my statement about Xorg -configure that is... not babilen's |
| 13:25.29 | DammitJim | lol |
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| 13:25.50 | DammitJim | babilen, so, you just ended up writing your own .conf files? |
| 13:26.22 | DammitJim | and again... will all .conf files in xorg.conf.d be read automatically? |
| 13:26.30 | babilen | DammitJim: Right now I am just using xrandr to switch between the limited sets of screens that I am having access to frequently. |
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| 13:26.43 | bullgard4 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/task-desktop: "Package: task-desktop (3.13); Debian desktop environment; This task package is used to install the Debian desktop." What is understood by »the Debian desktop«? |
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| 13:27.46 | themill | bullgard4: the page you linked to explains that |
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| 13:29.14 | bullgard4 | themill: No. It does not. |
| 13:30.01 | babilen | bullgard4: Take a look at the dependencies |
| 13:30.02 | themill | bullgard4: the definition of what it means would be what it installs.... |
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| 13:30.31 | DammitJim | ok, cool.. now I'm running gdb from another machine and hopefully I can capture the crash |
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| 13:31.20 | bullgard4 | babilen, themill: I understand what you are going to tell me. So I need furthersnooping. |
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| 13:34.06 | babilen | bullgard4: Take a look at the recommends. Due to the order it would pull in Gnome, but the recommends dependency is satisfied by any other desktop environment package as well. |
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| 13:34.49 | wificard | if anyone could help me find one out on http://www.ebay.co.uk/ I would be grateful ... I'm going purist with my laptop dell xps 1330 |
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| 13:35.10 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: anything new? I was away |
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| 13:35.47 | bullgard4 | babilen: I saw just that in the past minutes myself. -- Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it. |
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| 13:37.58 | DammitJim | if I create an xorg.conf file |
| 13:38.17 | babilen | (which you shouldn't do) |
| 13:38.36 | DammitJim | I'm sorry... if I create an intel.conf file in xorg.conf.d |
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| 13:38.40 | DammitJim | just with the options I need |
| 13:39.05 | DammitJim | that's the right thing to do, right? |
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| 13:39.52 | DammitJim | I'm trying to understand what you are saying, babilen ... 'cause this http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg says the opposite? |
| 13:40.08 | DammitJim | I really hate the internet for its inconsistency or maybe I just don't know how to read |
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| 13:42.00 | DammitJim | I hate myself for my inconsistency |
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| 13:44.47 | babilen | DammitJim: I can't be more explicit: DON'T use /etc/X11/xorg.conf *BUT* small configuration files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ -- That page hasn't been written by me and I have no idea how accurate the information is. (discuss that with the authors) |
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| 13:45.53 | DammitJim | just working through the process... if I create a .conf file in xorg.conf.d, the system will automatically configure my system + those options I specified, right? |
| 13:46.07 | DammitJim | so, if I removed the .conf file later, it'll just continue doing what it is doing now, right? |
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| 13:46.52 | boudiccas | i have just installed oracle-j2sdk1.7_1.7.0+update7_i386.deb made with java-package and fakeroot but am getting this error .. java -version java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ... how do i completely remove all java from this wheezy installation please? presumably sudo apt-get remove oracle-j2sdk1.7_1.7.0+update7_i386 and sudo apt-get purge? |
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| 13:50.21 | babilen | boudiccas: Try ##java or use OpenJDK which is supported by us (and the reference implementation for Java7!) |
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| 13:50.50 | babilen | boudiccas: And you want to purge it |
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| 13:52.03 | boudiccas | babilen: still on about the FlashTool program which seems to baulk at the OpenJDK java version, so I was trying the oracle java version, but iots not installing cleanly, but thanks, i'll try ##java |
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| 14:03.21 | wolf29 | Is this an ejabberd password issue? Exception: OpenSRF::EX::Session 2012-09-11T10:02:00 OpenSRF::Transport /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/OpenSRF/Transport.pm:83 Session Error: router@private.localhost/open-ils.cstore IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE NETWORK!!! |
| 14:03.36 | wolf29 | Is what I think I remember. |
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| 14:04.12 | wolf29 | opensrf.math works |
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| 14:12.16 | afidegnum | hello good morning all, I can see I have lots of process running on my system sucking all my memory. how do I find out the running process on my system so I can stop them via ssh ? |
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| 14:12.36 | gnat_x | afidegnum: there are a bunch of ways. |
| 14:12.43 | gnat_x | afidegnum: top is a good place to start |
| 14:12.55 | afidegnum | ? |
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| 14:13.51 | CaioAlonso | afidegnum, gnat_x means running the 'top' program |
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| 14:14.37 | gnat_x | CaioAlonso: thanks. just took the first sip of coffee. ;) |
| 14:14.44 | CaioAlonso | :) |
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| 14:14.58 | afidegnum | ah ok |
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| 14:15.12 | MPCU | Hi all, sorry if this is a dumb question.  I'm adding backports to my sources.list and get the following error upon apt-get update: "Type 'deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib' is not known on line 19 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list" - I don't see anything the matter with it and haven't been ale to find any help |
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| 14:15.26 | MPCU | This is my sources.list also, just in case: http://pastebin.com/gjW3tHvR |
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| 14:16.03 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, (or anyone) would having a lot of lines similar to this indicate a problem with the network card? [ 0.265316] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [PRID.P_D1._STA] (Node F70A21F8), AE_NOT_EXIST |
| 14:16.31 | chalcedony` | that's dmesg |
| 14:16.36 | Guest469 | Guys please a quick question I have installed Debian 6.0.5 kfreebsd and have my Ethernet cable plugged in and it auto detected during dhcp but now when I click on browser there no connection |
| 14:17.21 | themill | MPCU: I'd check that your spaces are actually spaces in there. |
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| 14:18.13 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: ACPI, in general, does not directly affect network cards (but it might affect PCI bus discovery) |
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| 14:18.35 | MPCU | themill: Ugh, that was indeed dumb. I replaced all the returns, but didn't think spaces would be an issue. Thank you. |
| 14:18.36 | CaioAlonso | MPCU, try copying and pasting the deb line from http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ and checking if the problem persists |
| 14:18.42 | CaioAlonso | oh :) |
| 14:18.52 | MPCU | CaioAlonso: That's where I got the line from. Thanks though! |
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| 14:19.40 | themill | MPCU: please tell me you're not ftp'ing that file back and forth and editing it on a windows machine, or something nasty like that... |
| 14:20.01 | simonlnu | *shudder* |
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| 14:20.52 | MPCU | themill: Nope...loaded into debian, editting with nano. That's why I was confused! |
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| 14:22.33 | boudiccas | i've removed oracle-j2sjk with apt-get and then purged it, now when running java-version i get this ... java -version java: error while loading shared libraries: libjli.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory on this wheezy installation. how do i clear that message please? |
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| 14:24.30 | koko_ | hello |
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| 14:25.26 | gnat_x | afidegnum: did that work for you? |
| 14:25.40 | afidegnum | yes, perfeftly, thanks |
| 14:26.16 | koko_ | on my squeeze i have to NIC i install Virtualbox . And i create 2 NIC on VM . I want to use eth1 in VM like eth1 on my squeeze. |
| 14:26.39 | koko_ | in VM 2 NIC are on Bridge |
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| 14:26.51 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: most times this only shows a buggy bios ACPI implementaion. But compare to /var/log/dmesg* older ones. |
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| 14:27.57 | ChrisH | Guest91927: does ifconfig -a show expected values for IP and netstat -rn a default oute? |
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| 14:30.08 | chalcedony` | i don't know. what i know is it's broken and i would dearly like to fix it! |
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| 14:31.45 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, netstat -rn shows column headers, no data. |
| 14:32.03 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: netstat was for Guest91927 |
| 14:32.22 | chalcedony` | ah |
| 14:32.37 | chalcedony` | i need to sleep |
| 14:32.59 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, thank you so much for your help |
| 14:33.18 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: Back to USB stick. run tail -f /var/log/messages (sudo might be needed) and plug your USB stcik I expect some lines to appear. If not weird HW problems. |
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| 14:33.36 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: Ok.. take your sleep as needed. Sleep well |
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| 14:33.45 | chalcedony` | i can try that |
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| 14:36.13 | hipodilski | hi I'm trying to move one site but for some reasons, after moving it php is not interpreted the system is Debian Squeeze |
| 14:36.28 | hipodilski | any idea where I might be mistaken? |
| 14:36.54 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, no new notes when i plugged in the usb stick after typing tail -f /var/log/messages - i ran it again to see if there were lines. |
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| 14:37.43 | Doggie52 | I'm wanting to patch my debian kernel to simply get rid of a few bloat drivers and change the timer frequency. I'm reading the Debian wiki and it tells me how to apply the patch but not how to actually create the patch. I'd love to use xconfig to make the patch, how would I go about this? |
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| 14:39.16 | fredcooke | wonders if this is the right place to ask about packaging policy and directory choice |
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| 14:40.07 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: If no messages are visible after you plugged in any USB device, this sounds like USB or even more broke. You could try a livecd when you are done with sleeping. |
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| 14:40.44 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, where to download what i need on a live cd? |
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| 14:41.49 | chalcedony` | praying it's the stick, i knew it had problems before. my usb keyboard and mouse seem ok, the ups temperature sensor seems to provoke errors, probably i set that up not quite right, but the fourth plug is the usb stick. |
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| 14:43.43 | grobda24 | Doggie52: by "patch" do you mean change a few kernel symbols ? Or are you actually changing code ? |
| 14:43.44 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: you could remove and replug the mouse or plug the stick at the mouse port and vice-versa |
| 14:44.18 | Doggie52 | grobda24, apologies for the confusion -- I mean just changing setting such as the timer freq and NOT touching any actual code. |
| 14:44.21 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, the plug i put the headphones in is working fine. |
| 14:44.53 | chalcedony` | it seems to have fried other things/ |
| 14:45.02 | fredcooke | I have a graphical data view application that is packaged as a single jar with dependencies bundled inside, my current deb layout is /usr/local/appname/appname-bin.jar and i have a script in /usr/bin/ that is named by initials in lower case that calls the jar with java -jar - is this considered wrong and if so, what should i do? |
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| 14:46.18 | grobda24 | Doggie52: I have a WIP guide here that might be useful ... http://stargate.djbarney.org/node/188 |
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| 14:46.52 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, where can i download what i need? |
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| 14:47.46 | themill | fredcooke: that's a fairly typical start. For a real debian package, you wouldn't have dependencies bundled into it but you'd have them in separate packages. You'd use /usr/share/java for your .jar and your script in /usr/bin would set the classpath if needed. It may also need to ensure that the right version of java is called (openjdk? or gij?) -- tools like java-wrappers can help do that last bit. |
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| 14:48.47 | Doggie52 | grobda24, that looks great, but as I think more about it, I think I'll skip the whole patching and just go directly for configuring the kernel. Would 'make xconfig' be instead of step 6 in your guide? How would I then compile the kernel and install it? |
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| 14:49.16 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: http://www.debian.org/ http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 14:49.50 | grobda24 | Doggie52: the important bit is the few steps at the top. Just study the official kernel building documentation and it will become clear. |
| 14:50.35 | Doggie52 | grobda24, alright! Thanks! Done this once before but I'm incredibly rusty it seems |
| 14:50.37 | grobda24 | Doing it the kernel build the "Debian way" makes it a lot simpler than building a vanilla kernel. |
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| 14:51.13 | grobda24 | Doggie52: exactly why I started writing that guide as the last time I built a kernel was in 1998 ! |
| 14:51.21 | Nicolas_Leonidas | hi, do you guys know what drobo is? |
| 14:51.48 | grobda24 | Nicolas_Leonidas: some kind of form of designer breed of small dog ? |
| 14:51.59 | Doggie52 | grobda24, what exactly differs in the "debian way" -- simply the fact that I get the source from 'apt-get source linux' and not via somewhere else? |
| 14:52.21 | Nicolas_Leonidas | grobda24: not really it's an external thing that you put hard disks in it |
| 14:52.43 | Nicolas_Leonidas | when I do sudo /usr/sbin/drobom list, it says /dev/sdd which is the device that is drobo |
| 14:52.43 | Doggie52 | hahahaha |
| 14:52.54 | boudiccas | right, sorted, i did sudo update-alternatives --remove-all and then sudo dpkg -i /home/boztu/oracle-j2sdk1.7_1.7.0+update7_i386.deb and now java -version gives me java version "1.7.0_07" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_07-b10) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 23.3-b01, mixed mode) ... thanks all |
| 14:52.54 | grobda24 | Doggie52: the command differs depending on if you are on Debian greater or smaller than 6. Just go to the official docs through the front of the debian site. |
| 14:53.08 | Nicolas_Leonidas | but I can't mount it, when I do mount /dev/sdd /mnt/drobo, it says mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 14:53.17 | fredcooke | themill: thanks! I understand the "wouldn't have deps included" but in this case it's far better to include, and it guarantees me perfect consistency across win/lin/mac with identical jars being included (by maven) at build/package time. In fact, identical jar with deps is packaged for most artifact outputs and reused. I also doubt that all of my deps are available in any debian, let alone all variants :-) |
| 14:53.18 | fredcooke | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.21 | Nicolas_Leonidas | I tried ntfs, FAT32, ext2, ext, ext3, ext4 non worked |
| 14:53.43 | grobda24 | Nicolas_Leonidas: right, don't know then unless it's tail wags |
| 14:53.53 | Doggie52 | grobda24, I see. Slight problem, it is "unable to find a source package for linux" :( I'm pretty sure my apt sources are correct |
| 14:54.32 | twobitsprite | I have a file which is mode 4550 (-r-sr-x---) and I'm trying to run it as a user who's a member of the group-owner of the file... but it doesn't seem to be taking on the file owner's ID as I expect suid to do... |
| 14:54.41 | Nicolas_Leonidas | seriously how do I mount this disk? |
| 14:54.51 | koegs | Nicolas_Leonidas: how did you connect the drobo? |
| 14:54.51 | themill | fredcooke: you could package your dependencies as well then ;) And if you "/msg dpkg nmg" and "/msg dpkg mentors" you'll get some ideas about how to get them into debian so that they are all there. |
| 14:54.52 | fredcooke | themill: confirmed, deps not available in sid right now, so that's a moot point :-) |
| 14:54.59 | Nicolas_Leonidas | koegs: USB |
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| 14:55.12 | koegs | Nicolas_Leonidas: most like you will have to partition the hard drive first |
| 14:55.13 | ChrisH | Nicolas_Leonidas: tried blkid $DEVFILE ? |
| 14:55.30 | Nicolas_Leonidas | this was partitioned most probably, it was used for backup on another server |
| 14:55.45 | fredcooke | themill: thanks! I do want to grab a maintainer position for a specific package, but it's sure not going to be my rapidly changing custom deps, nor the other stuff which I have nothing to do with. Appreciate the advice all the same. |
| 14:55.50 | koegs | Nicolas_Leonidas: try "fdisk -l" |
| 14:55.54 | koegs | as root |
| 14:55.59 | colo-work | I have a delicate situation on a Debian-powered host here |
| 14:56.08 | Nicolas_Leonidas | ChrisH: I did, there was no /dev/sdd in that |
| 14:56.21 | colo-work | it's a machine that's (roughly) on lenny's level in terms of package version |
| 14:56.36 | Nicolas_Leonidas | koegs: WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdd'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted. |
| 14:56.38 | colo-work | a few packages have been pinned - a very important production proftpd with a few dependencies |
| 14:56.49 | colo-work | I'd like to TRY upgrading that to squeeze vanilla |
| 14:57.00 | twobitsprite | nevermind, I always forget the shell scripts can't be suid root :( |
| 14:57.05 | colo-work | how would you go about that with minimal downtime? |
| 14:57.06 | ChrisH | twobitsprite: the setuid only ALLOWS the program to call setup |
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| 14:57.35 | koegs | Nicolas_Leonidas: then use parted :) |
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| 14:58.08 | jelly-home | jpinx: gparted can take a /dev/foo device as a command line parameter, but I'm not sure that's the (only) tool to be used here |
| 14:58.33 | Nicolas_Leonidas | koegs: what's my goal? I'm trying to mount this disk, what should I be trying to find out with parted? |
| 14:58.37 | Nicolas_Leonidas | the partitions? |
| 14:58.52 | koegs | yes |
| 14:59.16 | jpinx | I have created an iso of my XP partition, but it includes some empty space. What's the best way to shrink it? |
| 14:59.35 | Nicolas_Leonidas | koegs: ok, I guess that would be "print list" command, right? |
| 14:59.35 | jelly-home | iso? |
| 14:59.44 | jelly-home | jpinx: how did you create the image. |
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| 15:00.32 | jpinx | jelly-home: dd if=/xp/partition of=xp-copy.image |
| 15:00.41 | koegs | Nicolas_Leonidas: "select /dev/sdd/" and then "print" |
| 15:00.53 | twobitsprite | ChrisH: I don't think so... I'm pretty sure it should run the program with the UID of the owner of the file |
| 15:00.55 | jelly-home | jpinx: iso9660 is a cdrom _filesystem_ type. You just did a binary image of a partition, that's good |
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| 15:01.16 | twobitsprite | ChrisH: the problem I'm having is that most kernels are compiled with code to disable suid on shell scripts |
| 15:01.20 | ChrisH | Nicolas_Leonidas: I am not sure if I got anything, can you pastbin lshw -short -c disk ; fdisk -l |
| 15:01.49 | Gargantua | last: /var/log/wtmp: No such file or directory |
| 15:01.54 | Gargantua | Does debian come with this file by default? |
| 15:02.10 | jpinx | jelly-home: I mounted it with -o loop and df -h shows some free space I would like to trim off it |
| 15:02.11 | Nicolas_Leonidas | ChrisH: will do |
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| 15:02.28 | jelly-home | jpinx: do you care about size on disk, or about the size of the partition in case you ever want to put it back somewhere? You could mount the filesystem, zero out all the unused space, umount it and compress it |
| 15:02.38 | wildwind | jpinx: you can gzip your image |
| 15:02.45 | Nicolas_Leonidas | ChrisH: this is the parted output http://pastebin.com/fAMHXE2y |
| 15:03.02 | jpinx | this is a first step to making .vdi for virtualbox |
| 15:03.48 | koegs | Nicolas_Leonidas: do you want to get some data of that drive or not? if not i would create a ext3/4 partition |
| 15:03.59 | jpinx | having failed to get my native XP to run in virtualbox, someone suggested that a copy of my native XP made into a .vdi might be more amenable |
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| 15:04.20 | Nicolas_Leonidas | koegs: I probably do want to have a look at the data, why does it look corrupted or something? |
| 15:04.28 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, thank you, take care :) |
| 15:04.38 | Doggie52 | Is the config-xxx file inside /boot definitely my current kernel configuration? I.e. is it safe to load that into menuconfig when configuring a new kernel and just make changes to that? |
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| 15:05.31 | Doggie52 | Why are a bunch of texlive-packages build depencies for linux-2.6 ?! |
| 15:05.38 | jelly-home | jpinx: xp likely won't boot at all if it suddently wakes up on a different partition number with a different lba sector offset |
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| 15:06.01 | Nicolas_Leonidas | ChrisH: I don't have lshw on this machine for some reason |
| 15:06.04 | koegs | Nicolas_Leonidas: you should try "mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt/drobo" or something NOT /dev/sdd |
| 15:06.24 | koegs | "/dev/sdd" points to the hard drive, not the partition |
| 15:06.41 | kreature | I'm having some weird problems with dhcp. Part of my log is here: http://pastebin.com/VMuDa8Pn . Why is the ip address being abandoned? How do I debug this? |
| 15:06.46 | Nicolas_Leonidas | koegs: stupid me, that worked |
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| 15:07.04 | Nicolas_Leonidas | I'm a retard, thank you |
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| 15:07.15 | koegs | np |
| 15:07.37 | queso | If I install updates and the kernel is updated, will there be any negative affects as a result of not rebooting immediately, beside not running on the updated kernel? |
| 15:07.42 | ChrisH | Nicolas_Leonidas,koegs after installing parted to understand the output, I just wanted to suggest the same :) BTW blkid /dev/sdd1 should work |
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| 15:08.05 | jelly-home | jpinx: I'll assume you're going to munge the disk image to conform to previous disk layout at some point. this means you'd have to create an image that basically has a copy of the MBR, the boot loader, the partition table and the XP partition in the right place |
| 15:08.05 | jpinx | jelly-home: yea - it's tricky, but mine is OEM and I am told that I can tweak the BIOS and fool it into thinking it's at home |
| 15:08.12 | Nicolas_Leonidas | ChrisH: thank you too sir |
| 15:08.42 | jelly-home | jpinx: I mean -- it would failt to boot even on real hardware if you moved it around. |
| 15:08.55 | jelly-home | so step a) is not to move it around |
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| 15:09.24 | jelly-home | only then you can step b) make it boot on different hw |
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| 15:09.38 | abrotman | Doggie52: send an email to the maintainer |
| 15:09.48 | jpinx | jelly-home: this is a .vdi I am trying to create, not a native install |
| 15:09.59 | jelly-home | jpinx: I'm aware of that |
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| 15:11.33 | jpinx | jelly-home: so yes - I will have to munge the bios and registry - possiby in the native install under different hardware profiles and then re-create the .vdi until it boots in vbox |
| 15:11.41 | jelly-home | jpinx: In any case your disk image is going to have to look like a partitioned disk, not a single partition |
| 15:12.31 | jpinx | jelly-home: I have the native starting the boot sequence in vbox, but it's failing because of the same issues of it thinking it's been "moved" |
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| 15:12.48 | jelly-home | and IME xp boot partition is best kept in exactly the same starting offset, at exactly the same partition number, if other things are changed |
| 15:12.51 | jpinx | it boots but throws up the bsod :( |
| 15:12.58 | themill | Doggie52: "a bunch of texlive packages" isn't particularly descriptive. |
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| 15:13.20 | ChrisH | I try to recover using amanda 3.3 (wheezy) from an etch Amanda 2.5.2 Server; not-compressed stuff work but compress stuff does not get umcompressed. (local recovery on Etch server is working well). http://paste.debian.net/189321/ is an excerpt from amrecover.debug lines 43-54 are intersting |
| 15:13.26 | jpinx | jelly-home: yes I know not to mess with the starting position of the partition |
| 15:14.10 | jpinx | jelly-home: a lesson learned the hard way - but I learned a lot in fixing it |
| 15:14.11 | jelly-home | jpinx: and keep its number in partition table static as well |
| 15:14.43 | jelly-home | jpinx: and bonus point: keep its end aligned to the CHS geometry (else it can BSOD on shutdown) |
| 15:14.48 | jelly-home | (why? no idea) |
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| 15:15.30 | jpinx | heh - don't care if it bsod's on shut dow so long as it boots again ;) |
| 15:15.31 | Doggie52 | themill, I'm surprised any texlive packages are depedencies for building a linux kernel, that's why I asked |
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| 15:16.10 | jpinx | jelly-home: I'm agreeing with all you say , but getting past the initial bsod on boot is eluding me |
| 15:16.25 | themill | Doggie52: they're not directly at least ... if you provided some details, then we might have a chance of working this out |
| 15:16.37 | jpinx | and the guys in #vbox don't seem to have much of an idea :( |
| 15:17.01 | themill | ,builddep linux-2.6 |
| 15:17.02 | judd | Package linux-2.6 in squeeze -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 7), cpio, module-init-tools, python, lzma [armel], libelf-dev, binutils-dev, asciidoc, xmlto, gcc-4.3 [alpha amd64 armel hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc s390 sh4 sparc sparc64], binutils-hppa64 [hppa], gcc-4.3-hppa64 [hppa]; Build-Depends-Indep: bzip2, python-support. |
| 15:17.07 | themill | Doggie52: ^^ spot texlive in there somewhere? |
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| 15:17.53 | Doggie52 | themill, texlive-base, texlive-pictures, texlive-font-utils, texlive-extra-utils, texlive-generic-recommended, texlive-metapost, and the list goes on |
| 15:17.55 | jelly-home | jpinx: did you create a vdi already? |
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| 15:17.59 | Doggie52 | No, themill, I don't |
| 15:18.13 | themill | Doggie52: please put real output in a pastebin. You're not actually providing any more information to help me here |
| 15:18.22 | themill | (also the command you gave) |
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| 15:19.24 | Doggie52 | themill, never mind about it, the output is on another computer and I don't care about texlive at this point |
| 15:19.51 | themill | care enough to have some of us running around to try to work this out though :( |
| 15:19.57 | jpinx | jelly-home: no - I want to trim off the freespace first, before converting the .image to a .vdi |
| 15:20.36 | jelly-home | jpinx: if you trim anything off, it will change the filesystem layout and size |
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| 15:21.03 | jelly-home | jpinx: who knows if that's enough to make xp cry, just on its own, are you sure you want to do that? |
| 15:21.35 | jpinx | jelly-home: I chopped the tail off the native XP partition and it still boots and shuts down cleanly |
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| 15:22.07 | jelly-home | jpinx: you don't have an image of the whole disk I guess, just the partition? |
| 15:22.11 | jpinx | jelly-home: this is only a copy I am working on now - I don't want to mess with the original install any more ;) |
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| 15:22.51 | jelly-home | I suspect gparted doesn't know how to deal with partitionless block devices. |
| 15:23.34 | jpinx | jelly-home: I can see the image in gparted, but there doesn't appear to be any facility to resize |
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| 15:23.49 | jelly-home | jpinx: you can see what exactly? |
| 15:23.54 | jpinx | I'll mess some more - this is why I am working on a copy ;) |
| 15:24.22 | wildwind | jpinx: how do you think XP will work if there's no free space on partition? |
| 15:24.26 | jelly-home | jpinx: how did you open the loop device? |
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| 15:24.57 | ChrisH | jpinx: if parted $IMAGE print does work, why not testing resize NUMBER START END ? |
| 15:25.26 | dutchfish | hi, does debian have a package to create my own fonts (pixel based)? |
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| 15:26.24 | jelly-home | dutchfish: there's ye olde gbdfed |
| 15:26.42 | jpinx | jelly-home: gparted /path/to/xp-copy.image |
| 15:27.17 | jpinx | willmore: I will leave 500Mbs or so of free space to let XP breathe |
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| 15:27.21 | dutchfish | jelly-home, not in my repo |
| 15:27.28 | jelly-home | ,v gbdfed |
| 15:27.29 | judd | Package: gbdfed on i386 -- lenny: 1.3patch1-2; squeeze: 1.5-1.1 |
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| 15:28.04 | jelly-home | dutchfish: it was so old, it died after squeeze? |
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| 15:28.08 | dutchfish | jelly-home, fyi this is wheezy X86_64 |
| 15:28.19 | dutchfish | jelly-home, alternative? |
| 15:28.25 | jpinx | ChrisH: because the gui is not showing the content and doesn't show resizing available |
| 15:28.46 | dutchfish | jelly-home, its for a special X based usb device (2nd screen for debugging) |
| 15:28.52 | jelly-home | dutchfish: none than I can think of, see if the squeeze pacakge worksforyou |
| 15:29.08 | jelly-home | dutchfish: that... doesn't seem relevant |
| 15:29.18 | dutchfish | jelly-home, yeh, i'll try to 'up'-port it |
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| 15:29.22 | ChrisH | jpinx: I did not talk about the GUI. I ment parted |
| 15:29.28 | jelly-home | dutchfish: or just get the binary |
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| 15:31.17 | jelly-home | jpinx: either you hack up an image with an actual partition table to make gparted (and parted!) happy, or use a calculator to get just the right size, ntfsresize to do the work, and dd to truncate the image afterwards |
| 15:32.03 | queso | If I install updates and the kernel is updated, will there be any negative affects as a result of not rebooting immediately, beside not running on the updated kernel? |
| 15:32.18 | dutchfish | jelly-home, thanks, works for me. |
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| 15:34.58 | jpinx | ChrisH: yea - my bad - sorry |
| 15:35.47 | boudiccas | when using a java based programme on wheezy i keep getting the message JAVA_HOME not set. Using default value : ./x10flasher_lib/linjre32. how do i set the java-home please? this is with using java version "1.7.0_07" |
| 15:36.11 | jpinx | jelly-home: I'm at it with a carving knife now --- having made another copy image |
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| 15:38.09 | dutchfish | queso, hard to say, in general 2 things are important within that context. If libc6 changed along and when there are critical security updates. Running to long after a kernel update is generally not a good idee. |
| 15:38.20 | jelly-home | boudiccas: how did you install that java jvm? |
| 15:38.45 | boudiccas | jelly-home it was built with java-package and fakeroot |
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| 15:38.55 | boudiccas | and then with sudo dpkg -i |
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| 15:39.34 | jpinx | jelly-home: it gets a bit hairy - I created a partition on an external hdd, dd'd my native XP into it, then gparted and trimmed it, then dd'd that into an image file and then made the .vdi |
| 15:40.46 | jelly-home | jpinx: why did you not just dd the whole disk until the end of your partition |
| 15:40.49 | jpinx | surprise surprise -- it doesn't boot - but now to get into the way oem versions of XP work,,, :) |
| 15:41.06 | jpinx | jelly-home: I'm stuck for HDD space,,, |
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| 15:41.35 | jelly-home | that's just 63 extra sectors |
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| 15:41.46 | jpinx | because I'm messing at this level, I had to back up all my data and now no more space |
| 15:41.54 | jelly-home | assuming it was the first partition |
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| 15:42.56 | jpinx | jelly-home: it's first partition on the native hdd, already trimmed with gparted and I don't really want to risk messing with that again -- been lucky so far |
| 15:43.35 | jelly-home | and yet you want to trim it again?? |
| 15:43.49 | jelly-home | (a copy of it) |
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| 15:45.20 | jpinx | jelly-home: yes - it has about 4Gbs wasted free space in there |
| 15:45.24 | jelly-home | jpinx: fuck it, pastebin the output of sfdisk -d /dev/youroriginaldisk, sfdisk -d /dev/yourexternaldisk, and ls -ld /path/to/xp.image |
| 15:45.44 | jpinx | I didn't dare trim the native one too closely ;) |
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| 15:46.18 | jelly-home | and keep a bc instance or a better calculator open |
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| 15:46.29 | jpinx | ;) |
| 15:47.52 | Doggie52 | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 15:47.55 | Doggie52 | Whoops |
| 15:48.02 | Doggie52 | I meant to paste "yay! compiling mah kernel" |
| 15:48.53 | babilen | Doggie52: My condolences |
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| 15:49.15 | Doggie52 | babilen, why condolences :) ? |
| 15:49.18 | jelly-home | boudiccas: well. take a look at the contents of installed oracle-j2wotsit.deb, figure out where most of the java stuff got installed (it's a single directory), and export JAVA_HOME=there |
| 15:49.51 | boudiccas | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 15:50.11 | jelly-home | boudiccas: it shouldn't really be needed -- the /usr/bin/java wrapper is supposed to set it up |
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| 15:50.53 | jelly-home | huh, it's not a wrapper |
| 15:51.51 | sque | Hello, is there a way to make debuild and ask to build with a specific g++ version? Something equivalent to CXX=g++-4.6 cmake . |
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| 15:53.23 | Guest49275 | hello - I want to get all the directories from this link to one of my /valgenome in my computer - what command and utility is easier to download recursively all the folders and files (full depth) ? THis is the link ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genomes/H_sapiens/ |
| 15:54.25 | dkr | Guest49275: ncftp |
| 15:55.28 | oggei | also wget -r |
| 15:55.46 | dutchfish | or wget [path]/* |
| 15:56.23 | Guest49275 | dkr: I am trying this command - I think the server is public - do I need anything else ? ncftp -R -v ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov /valgenome /genomes/H_sapiens/ |
| 15:57.08 | jpinx | jelly-home: not ignoring your offer -- thanks, but unlikely to get to it tonight. Maybe tomorrow ;) |
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| 15:57.31 | queso | dutchfish: okay, thanks for the tip |
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| 15:58.04 | dkr | Guest49275: if you aren't doing it interactively, then you need to use ncfptget rather than ncftp, but otherwise those options look right |
| 15:58.12 | dkr | except spelled correctly. :) |
| 15:58.51 | jelly-home | jpinx: I'd wipe the current image and make an image like this: dd the original disk from the beginning to the end of that first partition. |
| 15:59.35 | jelly-home | jpinx: the partition on its own isn't very useful |
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| 16:02.56 | jpinx | jelly-home: fdisk tells me :- /dev/sda1 1 1298 10422240+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
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| 16:03.42 | jelly-home | sorry, I can't read fdisk. sfdisk or death |
| 16:03.49 | jpinx | :) |
| 16:04.17 | jelly-home | or at least have the decency to change to sector units |
| 16:04.19 | specing | fdisk is cool |
| 16:04.25 | reuf | pdf to doc/txt bash tool? |
| 16:05.38 | Guest49275 | dkr, I used ncftpget -R -v ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov /datavirt/refgenome /genomes/H_sapiens/ and got this back tar: This does not look like a tar archive tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors |
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| 16:06.37 | specing | Guest49275: thats what you get for using FTP |
| 16:07.00 | ChrisH | Guest49275: man wget and search for -r that should work |
| 16:07.03 | nsadmin | Guest49275, so ncftpget ran tar? man ncftpget, look for the options you gave |
| 16:07.23 | nsadmin | to see why it called tar |
| 16:07.30 | pippin | would've probably tried to use wget |
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| 16:08.37 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.49 | jpinx | jelly-home: http://paste.debian.net/189365/ |
| 16:09.41 | jelly-home | jpinx: so both the current image and the source are 10GB or so? |
| 16:09.42 | bool | I am using iceweasel and the flashplugin-nonfree... now i want to place iceweasel and adobe flash cache into tmpfs. i have creates a string in iceweasel config to store its cache in /tmp/iceweasel, but does that also include flash movies played with the flash player (eg. youtube)? |
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| 16:09.59 | jelly-home | jpinx: very well, rm the image, and dd the whole disk instead |
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| 16:10.23 | colo-work | may a "command" in a post-up stanza in interfaces(5) contain an executable, followed by arguments to it? |
| 16:10.42 | colo-work | *a path to an executable |
| 16:11.01 | jelly-home | jpinx: just stop right before the beginning of sda4 (nice shuffled partitions btw!) |
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| 16:11.39 | jpinx | jelly-home: i don't have hdd room to DD an image of the whole disk -- I'll try to get the first 12Gbs or so |
| 16:11.50 | nsadmin | colo-work, reference: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:12.09 | jelly-home | jpinx: don't image the whole of it, stop right before the beginning of sda4 |
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| 16:12.55 | jpinx | jelly-home: gotcha |
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| 16:13.56 | jelly-home | jpinx: ie: dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/120GbExtHDD/sdd_mbr+sdd1.img bs=1M count=$((20844544 / 2048)) |
| 16:13.59 | colo-work | nsadmin, yeah. it's not in there. |
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| 16:14.06 | colo-work | it just says "command" |
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| 16:14.18 | colo-work | but it doesn't, afaict, specify what grammar/syntax that has to follow |
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| 16:14.41 | alex- | Can someone send me a sources.list for 6.0? |
| 16:14.49 | sney | !squeeze sources.list |
| 16:14.49 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
| 16:14.50 | jelly-home | jpinx: good thing is your partition alignment is already screwed up, and it seems your copyof xp can deal with it |
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| 16:15.38 | romkansk | Can someone pleeease tell me why is it impossible to mount ntfs partition from debian-installer. I mean is it so hard to just add ntfs module? |
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| 16:15.47 | nsadmin | well a (not aliased or builtin) command is a file, and normally in a script you would specify the fully qualified path of that file |
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| 16:17.05 | jpinx | jelly-home: thanks for the count ;) saves me working it out |
| 16:18.54 | jpinx | jelly-home: why double brackets around the calculation? - just a syntax thing? |
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| 16:19.18 | ChrisH | jpinx: bash/ksh math syntax |
| 16:19.25 | jelly-home | that's how calculation syntax is done, yes |
| 16:19.34 | jelly-home | ChrisH: we call that POSIX sh ;-) |
| 16:19.43 | nsadmin | in answer to your original question, I'd say yes, a command in interfaces should follow /bin/sh style syntax for a command with args. furthermore, the firstword (the command itself) should be the full path to the executable file |
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| 16:20.03 | jpinx | I guessed ;) dd is munching atm,,, |
| 16:20.15 | nsadmin | you should -never- depend on any particular value of $PATH |
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| 16:20.49 | jelly-home | nsadmin: I've used shell for loops in interfaces(5) |
| 16:21.35 | nsadmin | jelly-home, that should be ok, right? |
| 16:21.47 | ChrisH | jelly-home: I allways mixup /sbin/sh on solaris with Posix sh.... verified, you are right |
| 16:21.51 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it works. setting up a couple dozen IP addresses would get right annoying |
| 16:22.06 | jelly-home | ChrisH: /sbin/sh on Solaris is crap |
| 16:22.09 | oggei | what is the best way for renaming files when building packages ? dh_install does not seem to allow that |
| 16:22.20 | jpinx | jelly-home: fwiw - the only change to the pre-installed partitions was trimming the tail of /dev/sda1, which may well have ended up messy, but gparted works to MiB and XP hasn't choked on it .... yet |
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| 16:22.58 | jaakkos | oh dog compression was not inherited from snapshot stream |
| 16:23.03 | jelly-home | jpinx: I guess you were lucky, mine broke |
| 16:23.03 | jaakkos | sorry, wrong channel |
| 16:23.18 | jeep | hello |
| 16:23.38 | alex- | sney: i'm on this page now: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 16:23.43 | jelly-home | but that was in 2009 maybe, I guess MS patched XP to deal better with layouts Vista and 7 generate |
| 16:23.45 | jpinx | jelly-home: xp works in wonderous ways ;) |
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| 16:23.51 | alex- | sney: it links me to http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ |
| 16:23.55 | alex- | but i don't see a sources.list file there |
| 16:24.04 | somiaj | oggei: there is #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net that is a good place for packing question. |
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| 16:24.25 | jpinx | jelly-home: this eeepc is 3 years old now, and was an end-of-line sale when I bought it, so maybe 4 years old |
| 16:24.33 | oggei | somiaj: thx |
| 16:24.33 | jelly-home | jpinx: wahtare you going to do with that "hidden" partition |
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| 16:24.46 | jelly-home | ignore it? |
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| 16:25.02 | jpinx | jelly-home: It was something XP preinstallation had in there and so I left it alone ;) |
| 16:25.02 | MoZaHeM | jelly-home: It was something XP preinstallation had in there and so I left it alone ;) |
| 16:25.04 | sney | alex-: just use the one dpkg said after I said !squeeze sources.list. http.debian.net uses DNS to determine where you are and automatically redirects you to a mirror near you. see http://http.debian.net/ for more information |
| 16:25.06 | MoZaHeM | alex-: just use the one dpkg said after I said !squeeze sources.list. http.debian.net uses DNS to determine where you are and automatically redirects you to a mirror near you. see http://http.debian.net/ for more information |
| 16:25.09 | jelly-home | !ops MoZaHeM |
| 16:25.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: MoZaHeM |
| 16:25.10 | MoZaHeM | !ops MoZaHeM |
| 16:25.11 | MoZaHeM | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: MoZaHeM |
| 16:25.11 | somiaj | oggei: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html#renaming_files -- not sure if that is useful, what I got from google. |
| 16:25.12 | dutchfish | oggei, You cannot rename files using dh_install (via the debian/install). You will need to rename it during the debian/rules "build" target before you get to the dh_install invocation. |
| 16:25.13 | MoZaHeM | oggei: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html#renaming_files -- not sure if that is useful, what I got from google. |
| 16:25.14 | MoZaHeM | oggei, You cannot rename files using dh_install (via the debian/install). You will need to rename it during the debian/rules "build" target before you get to the dh_install invocation. |
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| 16:25.46 | oggei | i'm packing an horrible binary only sw |
| 16:25.58 | jelly-home | thanks, unseen staff |
| 16:26.00 | oggei | i'll make an override dh_install |
| 16:26.13 | oggei | where i rename before the helper acts |
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| 16:26.17 | oggei | thx a lot |
| 16:26.19 | alex- | sney: I don't think only 1 line in my sources.list will help |
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| 16:26.55 | sney | alex-: 1 line is all you absolutely need, but dpkg told you 2 |
| 16:26.56 | jpinx | jelly-home: after trimming sda1, I then moved that hidden partition to be up against sda1, and all seems well .. hence the out of kilter numbering ;) |
| 16:26.58 | jelly-home | jpinx: I guess it's your only way to reinstall xp in a legal manner <g> |
| 16:27.51 | jpinx | jelly-home: MS say you need a separate licence to run in a vm :( |
| 16:28.03 | jpinx | even on the same hardware |
| 16:28.30 | alex- | sney: it told me one |
| 16:28.35 | alex- | but in my old file there were more likes |
| 16:28.37 | alex- | lines |
| 16:28.47 | sney | alex-: lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main" |
| 16:28.55 | sney | pasted from dpkg's message |
| 16:29.40 | sney | the default sources.list often has deb-src lines as well, which are unnecessary if you aren't building things from source. and #debian does not support third party repositories |
| 16:30.27 | alex- | This was my old sources.list : https://paste.nl.eu.org/9yYfwpad |
| 16:30.30 | alex- | but doesn't works anymore |
| 16:31.21 | jpinx | jelly-home: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10672406528 Sep 11 23:28 /media/120GbExtHDD/sdd_mbr+sdd1.img |
| 16:31.39 | sney | alex-: ok, what's the actual problem? |
| 16:31.40 | jpinx | jelly-home: but it refuses to mount - want a filesystem type |
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| 16:32.04 | nsadmin | jpinx, thats a dd of a disk with a partition table? |
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| 16:32.26 | dutchfish | alex-, change http://mirrors.nl.kernel.org/debian/ into http://ftp.debian.nl/debian/ |
| 16:32.38 | alex- | why? |
| 16:32.43 | starZ | hi there, trying to run this script trough (root) crontab but line 11 is not executed? -works perfectly when called from terminal.. http://dpaste.com/799499/ any clue?? |
| 16:33.06 | sney | dutchfish: oh, is that mirror down? |
| 16:33.21 | jpinx | nsadmin: I guess so it's the first 12 gbs of the native hdd |
| 16:33.39 | dutchfish | sney, i dunno, but it is dead slow by times |
| 16:33.48 | sney | alex-: if you use the http.debian.net line that dpkg told you earlier in place of your mirrors.nl.kernel.org line, then that may solve your issue |
| 16:34.18 | nsadmin | right, so that's not mountable,,, a separate partition dd with a filesystem would be |
| 16:34.35 | romkansk | Can someone pleeease tell me why is it impossible to mount ntfs partition from debian-installer. I mean is it so hard to just add ntfs module? |
| 16:34.55 | ansgar | jpinx: I think loop devices can handle partitions. If not, you can still create on with the right offset by hand (-> losetup). |
| 16:35.10 | jpinx | nsadmin: ok - thanks |
| 16:35.15 | sney | romkansk: for features in debian-installer, ask in #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:35.16 | nsadmin | romkansk, why do you neeeed to mount it in the installer? |
| 16:35.19 | bool | so when can we expect wheexy to be stable? |
| 16:35.28 | bool | moved to stable |
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| 16:35.37 | sney | !wwwr |
| 16:35.37 | dpkg | I don't know when Wheezy will release, but I can say that it will be sooner if you help. Ask me about <wheezy pool> for contributed release date guesses. Wheezy was frozen on June 30th, 2012 -- ask me about <freeze>. If you'd like wheezy to release sooner rather than later, perhaps you could help squash some <rc bugs>! |
| 16:35.40 | nsadmin | bool, sometime after today |
| 16:35.54 | sney | bool: most guesses say early 2013, but they are guesses. |
| 16:36.08 | romkansk | sney: thanks, i'll do that |
| 16:36.16 | bool | sney, thanks :) |
| 16:36.25 | ansgar | Having it for Chrismas would be nice too :) |
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| 16:37.16 | bool | squeeze is just to old for desktop use (unstable) |
| 16:37.16 | romkansk | nsadmin: to mount iso which is located there. And let's just assume i can't reposition it |
| 16:37.49 | nsadmin | isos are not ntfs |
| 16:38.03 | nsadmin | they're iso |
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| 16:38.28 | sney | oh, the iso is on a ntfs volume |
| 16:38.28 | nsadmin | (or more specifically iso9660) |
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| 16:39.05 | jacklk | Hello, I need to buy a network card for my desktop; how do I find out what will be compatible with Debian? |
| 16:39.20 | romkansk | nsadmin: u sure!? And if serious, i really thought i can mount isos. But first i must have read access to it. And ad i mentioned it is positioned on ntfs partition |
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| 16:39.58 | nsadmin | you can mount isos, and you can mount ntfs after the installer has installed debian on your box |
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| 16:41.33 | romkansk | nsadmin: that is just great, but i need to install debian first. And, as you probably already figured, i need to mount iso first, so installer could locate necessary files |
| 16:42.09 | nsadmin | romkansk, just to have you be completely clear, what is this iso? |
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| 16:42.16 | gnarface | jacklk: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/nic.html there are probably better lists than this one but i assume you'd rather not have problems |
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| 16:42.59 | romkansk | nsadmin: debian-wheezy-DI-b2-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso , which i bootet with grub2 and parameter isoscan |
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| 16:45.06 | starZ | euh.. is it possible to run pm-hibernate with a cron script? |
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| 16:45.39 | nsadmin | romkansk, ok. so let's look at this for a moment... you want to install debian on this machine? |
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| 16:46.39 | romkansk | nsadmin: apparently isoscan can't be used with ntfs. And already pretty sure it's impossible too. So i just ask is there a good reason for that? |
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| 16:47.39 | romkansk | nsadmin: I know i can crate local partition, and put iso threre, i already googled it up. But it still makes me sad. Why i just can't have bootable ntfs flash with deabian? |
| 16:47.54 | nsadmin | I'm trying to justify this: "And let's just assume i can't reposition it" |
| 16:49.13 | nsadmin | because if you're actually trying to install, then a requirement for installation is you have at at least some unpartitioned disk space. |
| 16:49.19 | romkansk | nsadmin: Because i already have windows7 , ubuntu and partition magic on my ntfs partitioned flash, with a bunch of other stuff as well |
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| 16:49.36 | nsadmin | you do have some space? |
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| 16:50.23 | romkansk | nsadmin: Yes i do. I just wanted to come up with universal solution |
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| 16:50.47 | ansgar | Well, there is a ntfs-3g-udeb package so it should be possible to get NTFS support in the installer. |
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| 16:51.32 | ansgar | But I'm not sure if you can use it early enough. |
| 16:51.48 | romkansk | andgar: i thought of that. But i'll have to rebuild iso for that to work. And when iso will be updated, i'll have to rework it to... |
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| 16:53.36 | nsadmin | romkansk, so the number of choices went up in both directions... |
| 16:53.45 | nsadmin | doesn't partition magic also format partitions? |
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| 16:55.30 | nsadmin | if so... you could copy the iso file to an ext3 filesystem and try to boot from it from there |
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| 16:56.06 | nsadmin | let's try to expand your choices one step more... do you have a burner and cd blanks? |
| 16:56.29 | nsadmin | or, a usb stick? |
| 16:56.58 | romkansk | nsadmin: Maybe you don't quite get me here. Sorry for my language, i'm russian. What i wanted initially is: Add debian iso to my ntfs partitioned flash, withoud doing anything to flash partitions, and be able to install it to any computer from now on, using just this usb stick. |
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| 16:57.35 | ansgar | romkansk: Hmm, nsadmin's suggestion looks good. You can just have the NTFS partition for Windows7, Ubuntu and Partition Magic and another ext?fs partition for the Debian iso on the USB stick. |
| 16:57.36 | jacklk | On my laptop I can't use Debian. I have installed all the radeon packages, and even the catalyst driver (which improved it slightly) but I still get a very low frame rate. It's not like this using Gnome 2 on other Linux distributions; would could it be? |
| 16:58.08 | nsadmin | romkansk, but ultimately what you want is to install debian? |
| 16:58.15 | ansgar | romkansk: That would allow using all of the installers. And at least I would not care about having multiple partitions. |
| 16:58.59 | vadimkolchev | hi all. got a strange problem with debian. Never experienced this on any distro. The internet connection is very bad. It can drop and cease to load websites any time, and now I even had trouble to connect to irc. couple of minutes pass and it starts working again. I wonder what the problem is. Can anyone help? |
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| 16:59.10 | romkansk | ansgar: thanks for idea, i think i'll stick with this solution |
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| 17:00.04 | romkansk | nsadmin: yes, but i already know how to do that. I just wanted so solve this problem once and for all |
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| 17:02.44 | romkansk | nsadmin: anyway thanks for your time. I just wandered if there a good reason for not adding ntfs support to debian installer |
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| 17:06.16 | gnarface | romkansk: yea its illegal |
| 17:06.58 | gnarface | romkansk: not something anyone is expected to be sued for, but debian doesn't take chances like that because in the mean time they'd be doing microsoft a favor, while just leaving their asses out in the wind for legal liability |
| 17:06.59 | romkansk | gnarface: whaa..? you mean there is no free implementation of ntfs module?? |
| 17:07.29 | ansgar | gnarface: Ehm, no? And d-i has ntfs support, just not in the initrd... |
| 17:07.39 | wilee-nilee | romkansk, its in a repo though. |
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| 17:07.49 | gnarface | romkansk: its proprietary technology. this means that even if there's a free *implementation* you can still sue them in the US for patent violations |
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| 17:08.02 | ansgar | romkansk: I guess space constraints. You want to keep the initrd small. |
| 17:08.02 | nsadmin | romkansk, I won't say the way you want to do this is completely impossible, but it looks like there are some mutually exclusive blocks in the way you want to try. if it's fun to do it this way, then by all means, go for it. if fun is not the deciding factor, you have already a lot of alternative choices. you might find that the material in the install guide can make suggestions that can enable you to install, either in the way you want or in any nu |
| 17:08.03 | nsadmin | mber of other ways. |
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| 17:08.36 | gnarface | romkansk: so therefor nothing patent-encumbered is in the installer because we don't want debian crippled if they decide to pull the plug on it one day |
| 17:08.41 | Faustische | I have installed Debian 6 LXDE live CD, but I don't have xpdf and epdfview in my repos |
| 17:08.43 | nsadmin | romkansk, of course not. all the ways are instances of reverse engineering |
| 17:08.50 | Faustische | what's wrong? |
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| 17:09.32 | nsadmin | Faustische, wrong? probably they were removed... try okular |
| 17:10.37 | ansgar | Faustische: xpdf | 3.02-12+squeeze1 | squeeze | source, amd64, armel, i386, ia64, kfreebsd-amd64, kfreebsd-i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc |
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| 17:10.42 | romkansk | Ok. Thanks every one, i got my answer. I'll stick with multipartion solution for now, and see if i could figure something better later. |
| 17:10.47 | Faustische | nsadmin, how come I do have xpdf on my PC running Debian+gnome? |
| 17:11.09 | Faustische | I probably need to set the repos manually |
| 17:11.14 | ansgar | Faustische: Missing sources.list entries? |
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| 17:11.22 | Faustische | ansgar, yeah, thanks |
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| 17:23.39 | hellekin | anyone from the brazilian mirror of Debian? The /outro disk seems to have failed, and updates fail there. |
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| 17:25.37 | LtL | hellekin: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 17:29.41 | nyan-cat | hi, how come clang 3.2 is not even in experimental? |
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| 17:31.47 | jelly-home | nyan-cat: priorities tend to change a bit during release freeze |
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| 17:31.59 | nyan-cat | oh ok |
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| 17:32.39 | jelly-home | expect all the new crap to flow right in... sometime in May 2013 |
| 17:32.41 | halt__ | HI all, I have a Intel Cedarview GPU and the screen resolution is not like I expected, with a quick research i found a solution for Ubuntu, but this one is not workin on debian. the ubuntu solution is http://daily.siebler.eu/2012/06/ubuntu-12-04-driver-for-intel-cedarview-atom-n2000-und-d2000-serie/ |
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| 17:33.36 | vadimkolchev | what is the release date of 7.0? |
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| 17:34.01 | jelly-home | vadimkolchev: "When It's Ready" |
| 17:34.09 | boudiccas | vadimkolchev: when its ready :) circa January 2013 |
| 17:34.16 | jelly-home | May! |
| 17:34.22 | vadimkolchev | jelly-home, boudiccas, understood) |
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| 17:35.08 | jelly-home | boudiccas: you did not even make a bet |
| 17:35.23 | malina | hmmm.. I have an ahtlon II X4 with 4 gb ddr3 ram to use as a firewall/gateway/dhcp/web server and have a new workstation machine (i7-2600, 16 gb ram) n am wondering if it would/could be better to run on the new machine, a virtualised server/workstation rather? |
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| 17:35.49 | boudiccas | jelly-home: but i did use a smiley :) |
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| 17:36.11 | specing | malina: it can all be done with a $100 router and an usb harddrive ;p |
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| 17:36.35 | halt__ | malina i7-2600 and 16 gb ram more then enogh to anything |
| 17:36.42 | malina | I am happy enough with my router for this level of needs |
| 17:36.42 | vadimkolchev | boudiccas, jelly-home and what will be with 6 branch when 7 is released? will it still get updates, so that we see 6.0.6 - 6.0.x releases? |
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| 17:37.22 | halt__ | anyone idea to the Inter Cedarview driver issue ? |
| 17:37.24 | malina | ye ok.. so rather use the new workstation as vServer + vWorkstation than a physical gateway/firewall box? *disregarding the router* |
| 17:37.57 | malina | I was looking at Xen but lags behind vbox/vmware on I/O |
| 17:38.34 | malina | vmware isn\t free so no go there |
| 17:39.32 | boudiccas | vadimkolchev: so it will continue for a while before being EOL'd |
| 17:39.33 | jelly-home | halt__: hardware support for that looksto be too new to work with squeeze. You might be able to rebuild it from that ppa's sources to make it work with wheezy, perhaps |
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| 17:39.50 | vadimkolchev | boudiccas, ty |
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| 17:40.30 | boudiccas | vadimkolchev: you're welcome |
| 17:40.59 | jelly-home | halt__: you could try asking Debian X team about it, #debian-x channel on irc.debian.org (or irc.oftc.net, same thing) but don't expect to get an immediate resolution |
| 17:41.12 | h725 | hi is there a specific channel for gnu coreutils? |
| 17:41.17 | jelly-home | pun. not intended. |
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| 17:42.26 | halt__ | jelly-home and how can I add the ppa repo |
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| 17:43.37 | jelly-home | halt__: manually? I don't remember, would have to investigate it instead of you |
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| 17:44.25 | halt__ | i installed the python-software-properties but the add-apt-repository is still not working |
| 17:44.49 | boudiccas | halt__: did you sudo apt-get update? |
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| 17:45.46 | jelly-home | halt__: apt in squeeze is too old probably |
| 17:45.54 | halt__ | boudiccas Yes I did updated the system all the packages up-to-date |
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| 17:46.47 | Xtreme | guys anyone using skype on debian? |
| 17:48.01 | engla | just ask your question.. :-) |
| 17:48.06 | jelly-home | Xtreme: yes |
| 17:48.41 | Xtreme | jelly-home, my skype turns off my music when i get message notification |
| 17:48.45 | Xtreme | how to turn this off? |
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| 17:49.36 | Xtreme | jelly-home, whenever i get notification, my music is paused.... |
| 17:50.02 | halt__ | jelly-home boudiccas all the packages including the apt is up-to-date and yes in the /etc/apt/sources the newest relase is included it's a fress new install |
| 17:50.10 | jelly-home | Xtreme: either disable those notification sounds, or switch to using pulseaudio. Which Debian release are you using? |
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| 17:50.37 | Xtreme | testing |
| 17:51.10 | jelly-home | Xtreme: my preference would be to try pulseaudio for that release, it's reasonably stable |
| 17:51.40 | jelly-home | Xtreme: install pulseaudio, install pavucontrol, log off and back on again, see how things work |
| 17:52.18 | Xtreme | i have pulseaudio installed ;( |
| 17:52.22 | jelly-home | pavucontrol is used to set volumes for each application, with the catch that it only works when an application is playing something |
| 17:52.36 | hellekin | LtL: does that point to the mirror maintainer? :P |
| 17:52.48 | Xtreme | jelly-home, will try it :) |
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| 17:53.24 | Xtreme | jelly-home, will log off work? gnome 3.. i think i need a reboot |
| 17:53.26 | Xtreme | dont you? |
| 17:53.42 | jelly-home | Xtreme: no. |
| 17:53.46 | Xtreme | cool. brb |
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| 17:54.43 | jelly-home | halt__: those drivers look like they're quite non-free |
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| 17:55.11 | hellekin | that said, there are not many mirrors in Latin America. |
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| 17:55.33 | jelly-home | halt__: I would not keep to much hope of getting them to work in debian at all |
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| 17:55.39 | Xtreme | back |
| 17:55.56 | hellekin | I'm going to tell the local free software user groups about it, maybe they're willing to set one up |
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| 17:56.30 | specing | hellekin: Why can't you do it? :D |
| 17:56.33 | Xtreme | jelly-home, still same |
| 17:56.47 | jelly-home | hellekin: universities usually manage to get a mirror or three for any kind of free software running |
| 17:57.12 | malina | halt__: about virtual server contra physical box.. the one caveat is that the worksation is in an area in the home network where I wish to turn it off sometimes... whereas the physical box could be on 24/7 |
| 17:57.31 | malina | I guess that excludes pretty much the virtual idea then :/ |
| 17:57.44 | jelly-home | Xtreme: Menu -> Options -> Sound Devices, what do you have chosen for Mic and Speakers and Ringing in there? |
| 17:57.55 | malina | un,ess I had a wireless display lol |
| 17:58.04 | jelly-home | Xtreme: also, which version of skype is it? |
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| 17:58.31 | Xtreme | jelly-home, skype 4 |
| 17:58.57 | Xtreme | jelly-home, all are pulseaudio |
| 17:59.00 | jelly-home | Xtreme: I have 2.2.0.35 "beta", 32bit |
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| 17:59.11 | Xtreme | jelly-home, i never faced this problem on that |
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| 17:59.31 | jelly-home | Xtreme: huh, on the same debian release? |
| 17:59.52 | Xtreme | nope, on 6 |
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| 18:00.20 | jelly-home | Xtreme: dunno, you can try going back to 2.2 |
| 18:00.51 | jelly-home | see if the problem persists |
| 18:00.51 | Xtreme | this one is better |
| 18:01.42 | jelly-home | better in what, exhibiting undesirable behaviour? |
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| 18:02.07 | Xtreme | skype 2 doesnt have video call right? |
| 18:02.12 | hellekin | specing: because I'm just visiting here? And if one pops up in the next few weeks, you can say I participated :P |
| 18:02.18 | jelly-home | Xtreme: mine does |
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| 18:02.52 | Xtreme | hmm. weird |
| 18:03.08 | hellekin | jelly-home: yes, I need to check with the uni here. But I suppose some members from the user group are also at the uni |
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| 18:06.05 | Cottus | how can i find all i386 installed packages? |
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| 18:08.23 | Cottus | ok i found some through synaptic |
| 18:08.24 | Sevet | Cottus: dpkg -l | grep :i386 |
| 18:08.30 | Cottus | thnx |
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| 18:10.21 | Sevet | possibly in a single command dpkg -l "*:i386" - haven't got a multiarch system with i386 packages atm to check though |
| 18:12.51 | somiaj | aptitude search ~i (and some other flags will proabaly be nicer) as you can search a the i386 repo (though have to figure out the exact syntax) |
| 18:16.44 | jelly-home | yeah, dpkg -l '*:amd64' works here |
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| 18:17.57 | somiaj | aptitude needs a search flag for arch, wonder if it has one and I'm just reading old documentation |
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| 18:20.14 | jelly-home | Xtreme: well, I'm on wheezy, 32bit, xfce as DE, pulseaudio working, and skype (2.2) bleeps don't make the music player go quiet |
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| 18:20.53 | wald0 | how much time you think (really, just to get an idea, not need to be precise) for the stable release of wheezy ? |
| 18:21.18 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 18:21.18 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the lists at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=squeeze&patch=ign&pending=ign&merged=ign&done=ign&rc=1 . See also <rc-alert>. |
| 18:21.37 | somiaj | you can go look at the list of bugs and decide how long you think it will take them to fix. I would be suprised if it happened this year, my guess is early next. |
| 18:21.48 | jelly-home | wald0: look at the green line on the graph and make an educated guess |
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| 18:22.57 | wald0 | gotcha, thanks |
| 18:23.41 | jelly-home | WARNING: past performance is not an indicator of future release schedule |
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| 18:27.22 | wald0 | the green graph means that all those bugs needs to be fixed for the release (to exact 0 bugs) ? or there's a tolerance value ? (if im not wrong, for the last release it was not to 0 ) |
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| 18:35.46 | JyZyXEL | anyone aware of a way how one could have multiple live linux .iso images on a single USB stick? |
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| 18:36.36 | JyZyXEL | only decent way i've found so far is to unpack the ISO's to the stick and boot em with grub |
| 18:36.49 | JyZyXEL | that of course doesn't work if there are filename collisions |
| 18:36.56 | Cottus | what i did was make a fat boot partition and have another partion for the linux, |
| 18:37.23 | Cottus | in msdos filesystem label, max partitions = 4 |
| 18:37.23 | daimrod | JyZyXEL: you could partition your USB stick |
| 18:37.27 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: it can be done _if_ the distro's initrds are able to find their .iso images on hd media filesystems |
| 18:37.50 | JyZyXEL | the initrd usually dies when it can't find the filesystem image |
| 18:38.27 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: many livecds are smarter than that these days, I believe even Debian livecd can do it |
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| 18:38.56 | daimrod | JyZyXEL: or you can use syslinux like this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_Installation_Media#Without_overwriting_the_USB_drive |
| 18:39.15 | daimrod | though I don't know how you can do it with other distros |
| 18:40.20 | jelly-home | I have three different grub versions, freedos, and some bsd on a single stick |
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| 18:40.38 | jelly-home | grml* not grub |
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| 18:41.08 | daimrod | how do you select the partition you want to use? grub on the MBR? |
| 18:41.15 | JyZyXEL | do you just boot the .iso's directy with isolinux? |
| 18:41.29 | jelly-home | daimrod: only one partition |
| 18:41.38 | JyZyXEL | or whatever the emulator was called for booting .isos |
| 18:42.00 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: I have no idea how it's done. Just used grml's grml2usb script |
| 18:42.06 | somiaj | daimrod: dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc -- that should ask you where to install grub |
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| 18:43.09 | jelly-home | it's syslinux, it seems |
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| 18:44.15 | somiaj | yea the only way I have seen that is nice is configuring grub to boot right from the .iso on the usb driver (provided it can). the debian live hdd images are nice in you can alter the partition table with those images. Though if you want to use your usb stick ona windows device you may have to hack it since windows doesn't like multiple partitions on 'removable' devices. |
| 18:44.41 | boudiccas | For some reason the numeric keypad seems to have stopped working, this is on wheezy, any ideas as to how to enable it again please? |
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| 18:44.59 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: if you google for, dunno, multiboot usb linux, you might find a tool that sets it up |
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| 18:45.20 | jelly-home | boudiccas: doesn't work at all? |
| 18:45.36 | boudiccas | that should read 'the numeric kepad on my keyboard' |
| 18:46.01 | boudiccas | no, i have to use the numerals above the qwerty keyboard |
| 18:46.03 | jelly-home | boudiccas: right. Does it not work at all, or does it do something different than the usual? |
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| 18:46.11 | JyZyXEL | its all about the livecd's finding their assets off the usb stick |
| 18:46.23 | boudiccas | jelly-home: doesnt' work at all |
| 18:46.42 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: and it works only with livecds that have that capability up front |
| 18:46.45 | JyZyXEL | maybe their directory structure could be prepended with something with some kernel parameter |
| 18:47.04 | boudiccas | oh, thats odd, i turn off the 'number lock' and it works! weird |
| 18:47.06 | jelly-home | boudiccas: if you run xev, does it show anything when you press the keys inside its window? |
| 18:47.29 | JyZyXEL | im not sure what the solution would be for distros that do not have support for it |
| 18:47.45 | jelly-home | JyZyXEL: not any simple one |
| 18:47.59 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
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| 18:48.23 | jelly-home | boudiccas: ah. don't do that then |
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| 18:50.05 | no_gravity | I did "apt-get --purge remove apache2". Why do I still have "/etc/apache2/" with lots of stuff? |
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| 18:50.31 | no_gravity | In fact, the remove only freed 36kb. Isnt that too little? |
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| 18:51.50 | jelly-home | no_gravity: which package owns "/etc/apache2"? |
| 18:52.19 | no_gravity | jelly-home: how do i find out? |
| 18:52.33 | bool | if I set RAMLOCK, RAMSHM and RAMTMP to yes in /etc/default/tmpfs, do I also need an entry in fstab (or vica versa)? |
| 18:52.33 | jelly-home | no_gravity: dpkg -S /etc/apache2 |
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| 18:53.01 | no_gravity | jelly-home: libapache2-mod-php5, libapache2-mod-dnssd, apache2.2-common: /etc/apache2 |
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| 18:53.10 | jelly-home | no_gravity: well then. |
| 18:53.28 | meyou^ | apt-get autoremove --purge apache2 |
| 18:53.31 | meyou^ | buyer beware |
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| 18:53.51 | no_gravity | meyou^: "buyer beware"? |
| 18:54.02 | meyou^ | it will remove apache2 and all its dependencies |
| 18:54.10 | jelly-home | meyou^: have you tried that command? |
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| 18:54.21 | jelly-home | it doesn't look... correct |
| 18:54.25 | no_gravity | meyou^: thats what i hoped "apt-get remove" would do |
| 18:54.51 | no_gravity | gives it a shot |
| 18:54.54 | meyou^ | it's quite possible i flipped around the syntax |
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| 19:00.50 | jelly-home | no_gravity: you won't. What you will do, however, is find out all the packages that got installed alongside it, and purge them as well. |
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| 19:01.03 | somiaj | no_gravity: look at the depends for apache2 and remove all the apache2 packages. I'd remove the apache2-common package, that should get most of them. |
| 19:01.07 | no_gravity | jelly-home: how do i find out all those packages? |
| 19:01.13 | jelly-home | no_gravity: you just did. |
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| 19:01.49 | no_gravity | jelly-home: by looking up some random folders owners? how do i know there aint other folders? |
| 19:02.01 | jelly-home | in a more generic scenario, you'd look at the installation logs |
| 19:02.20 | no_gravity | somiaj: how do i look at the depends for apache2? |
| 19:02.55 | jelly-home | no_gravity: they're not random, and you don't know. What you do know, is that purging is supposed to clean up everything the packages brought. |
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| 19:03.05 | no_gravity | jelly-home: this really blows my mind... i thought of "remove" as "remove what was installed". now i learn that you have to check logs to uninstall something... |
| 19:03.41 | peterrooney | no_gravity: you're overthinking it. aptitude autoremove finds all packages that were installed in order to satisfy a dependancy, and removes them. adding --purge also removes the package's conffiles. |
| 19:03.50 | somiaj | aptitude will remove teh auto packages by default, apt-get will not |
| 19:04.14 | no_gravity | peterrooney: how am i overthinking it, when i find files on my disk that did not get deleted while uninstalling something? |
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| 19:04.23 | somiaj | though if for some reason the packages got set to 'manual' or other things on your system depend on the packages, they won't be removed. |
| 19:05.04 | peterrooney | no_gravity: tell us what files. |
| 19:05.14 | jelly-home | no_gravity: aptitude tool deals with auto-installed deps in a more complete manner, but is still not ideal |
| 19:05.29 | no_gravity | This seems terrible to me. Is the same stuff going on with android devices? People install and deinstall stuff on these devices all the time and dont even have a file manager. Do people run around with phones full of garbage? |
| 19:05.40 | somiaj | no_gravity: as we said you only removed the meta package which really only contains info about other packages -- not the actual files on your machine. dpkg -l | grep apache -- remove the rest of the apache packages. |
| 19:05.51 | no_gravity | peterrooney: i installed and removed apache2 and it left /etc/apache2 behind |
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| 19:06.28 | meyou^ | apt-get errs on the side of caution |
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| 19:06.42 | meyou^ | better to leave something unneeded than remove something needed, ya know? |
| 19:06.49 | jelly-home | no_gravity: android packaging is rather different than shared dependencies of GNU/Linux distros |
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| 19:07.11 | no_gravity | somiaj: ok, that gives me 6 packages. i feel like an idiot, but ok, i will remove them all by hand... |
| 19:07.22 | jelly-home | but cruft is inevitably left behind |
| 19:07.27 | no_gravity | jelly-home: ok. thats good to hear. |
| 19:07.32 | peterrooney | no_gravity: packages like cricket, apache2-suexec-custom and apache2-common ALSO uses /etc/apache2 |
| 19:07.48 | jelly-home | peterrooney: and would have been listed in that dpkg -S |
| 19:08.16 | somiaj | no_gravity: you may find you like aptitude more than apt-get as it will more try to mimic what you wanted. It won't work all the time, but it handels the auto packages in a manner like you are wanting. |
| 19:08.20 | somiaj | (in many cases) |
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| 19:08.30 | no_gravity | somiaj: WOW, it gets more crazy. I started with "apt-get --purge remove apache2-mpm-prefork". What happens? It tells me it will remove nothing but INSTALL two new packages: apache2-mpm-itk libapache2-mod-php5filter |
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| 19:09.06 | jelly-home | no_gravity: aptitude why apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 19:09.38 | jelly-home | will tell you that something installed wants one (any, really) apache build to keep being installed |
| 19:09.42 | no_gravity | im giving up and just leave the cruft in my filesystem. i feel bad now. |
| 19:09.54 | jelly-home | !next |
| 19:09.54 | dpkg | A satisfied customer? We should have him stuffed! |
| 19:10.16 | henry-nicolas | Hello everyone, I'm running wheezy on a laptop and I'v got an issue with /dev/null. It's not created at boot time so I got an incorrect file (bad perm, not a char device), of course I can mknod but it's not a reboot-proof solution, any idea/suggestions ? TIA :) |
| 19:10.35 | jelly-home | henry-nicolas: is udevd running at all? |
| 19:10.37 | peterrooney | no_gravity: feeling bad is optional. apt is a deep subject. |
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| 19:11.06 | no_gravity | peterrooney: im kind of a perfectionist. so i feel bad having cruft on my machine. its irrational probably. i will get over it. hopefully. |
| 19:11.18 | henry-nicolas | jelly-home: yes, 3 processes |
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| 19:11.48 | frostschutz | henry-nicolas: missing dev null usually happens when your root partition was copied somewhere with cp / rsync and you forgot to include some dirs such as /dev from the source filesystem... |
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| 19:12.27 | blubberdiblub | no_gravity, you just didn't purge everything that you installed. usually very few cruft is left after purging packages |
| 19:12.37 | jelly-home | no_gravity: there's (some) logic in how apt and aptitude work and they can be made to do your bidding. You don't have to learn it all right away. |
| 19:12.45 | henry-nicolas | frostschutz: not the case here, the laptop was running properly, I noticed pulseaudio wasn't running because of /dev/null issues and then problems started |
| 19:12.57 | no_gravity | decided differently and continues to remove stuff. lets see if i can get rid of it... |
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| 19:13.22 | jelly-home | frostschutz: uh... what? /dev is created completely from scratch by udev at initramfs time |
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| 19:14.36 | jelly-home | henry-nicolas: pastebin the contents of your /etc/udev/links.conf file. Did you perchance do something with the current kernel's initramfs image? |
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| 19:15.57 | jelly-home | henry-nicolas: I think more than pulseaudio would misbehave if /dev/null wasn't there at all since boot |
| 19:15.59 | weaseal | hey all. i gave a friend an account on my debian server to run a minecraft server, it's working great, but whenever i do a reboot, he has to log in to manually restart it. does anyone know how we can automate this? |
| 19:16.23 | jelly-home | weaseal: an @reboot cron job for his account might do the trick |
| 19:16.38 | weaseal | jelly-home: ok, thanks i will google for that |
| 19:16.39 | somiaj | weaseal: create an init.d script, and set it up so it so it runs at boot up |
| 19:16.39 | frostschutz | jelly-home: most distros including debian still have a static /dev on the root partition with some standard nodes (console, null, loop, etc) and it can cause problems if they are missing |
| 19:16.41 | no_gravity | jelly-home, meyou^, peterrooney, blubberdiblub: It looks like it ends up in an endless loop. When I "apt-get --purge remove" all the owners of /etc/apache2 it installs new stuff that creates new owners of that folder. And so on to eternity. |
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| 19:17.39 | Zumochi | Hello, I'm having this problem for about a week now, and I even went to the extent as to reinstall Debian (Squeeze)... When I tried upgrading one day, dpkg started giving errors, after searching around what it might be, I found out it could be a filesystem problem. Thus, I ran fsck. Results: http://paste.debian.net/188263/ This is on a OVH kimsufi server, so support is limited. Running fsck in |
| 19:17.40 | Zumochi | rescue mode helped nothing either: http://paste.debian.net/188262/ AND SO eventually I decided to reinstall (after backing up everything, of course). After the reinstall (which was today), I ran fsck -fn to see if a complete reinstallation fixed the problem. It did not: http://paste.debian.net/189393/ In OVH's rescue mode, fsck yet again says the filesystem is clean... |
| 19:17.43 | Zumochi | Long post is long |
| 19:17.55 | jelly-home | frostschutz: that might have been the case until etch or lenny or so. the root partition is not accessed at all when early userspace generates /dev, and it's that /dev that gets carried over, I believe |
| 19:18.06 | no_gravity | also it tells me the most hillarious stuff ever. that now gnuchess, totem, gnome-system-log and hundreds of others are not used and not needed anymore... |
| 19:18.14 | henry-nicolas | jelly-home: yeah, sometimes my entire X interface is not starting, ssh issues etc ... paste: http://pastebin.com/9KhH0BEk otherwise, initramfs image => tried to run the kernel 3.5 from exerpimental or the wheezy 3.2, in both cases the initramfs is configured to not use busybox (was fine before) |
| 19:18.15 | blubberdiblub | no_gravity, you disregarded what jelly-home asked you to do. find out which package depends on apache2-mpm-prefork and remove that first |
| 19:18.15 | jelly-home | no_gravity: did you run that aptitude why command? |
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| 19:18.24 | Zumochi | The errors dpkg threw: http://paste.debian.net/187718/ |
| 19:18.35 | no_gravity | Im definately giving up now. |
| 19:18.47 | jelly-home | henry-nicolas: why are you messing with busybox? |
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| 19:19.31 | no_gravity | My system is probably completely fucked up now, as it says hundreds of packages are obsolete now. Like gnome-logs and what not. |
| 19:19.35 | no_gravity | Now im really sad. |
| 19:19.48 | jordanm | Zumochi: show the output of smartctl -a /dev/sda |
| 19:19.49 | jelly-home | frostschutz: I have to confess I'm not 100% sure about /dev being carried over to real root or how that's done :> |
| 19:20.03 | frostschutz | jelly-home: *shrug* just mentioned as that's a common cause for his problem, I see it about once a month in some linux channel or other. it's hard to break udev to not produce devnull |
| 19:20.34 | henry-nicolas | jelly-home: just because it's triggering an error at boot time because it's trying to load an un-existent unix module, note that this worked for months |
| 19:20.41 | jelly-home | yeah, I've done that to myself a couple years back, or on RHEL, but not in current Debian |
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| 19:20.55 | Zumochi | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/189404/ |
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| 19:21.08 | jelly-home | henry-nicolas: that error is not relevant -- unix is built in the kernel |
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| 19:21.50 | jordanm | Zumochi: drive is fine |
| 19:22.05 | Zumochi | Okay... |
| 19:22.08 | henry-nicolas | jelly-home: yeah I know that but I don't think my troubles are related to busybox being disabled since it worked for a long time |
| 19:22.38 | Zumochi | Does SMART say everything? |
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| 19:23.03 | jelly-home | henry-nicolas: nod, still you might try to make everything initramfs related as default as possible, recreate it and see whether there are any changes |
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| 19:23.39 | jordanm | Zumochi: you can have a bad drive that reports good in SMART, but its _very_ rare from what I have experienced |
| 19:24.05 | Zumochi | I reinstalled the entire system though... |
| 19:24.10 | henry-nicolas | jelly-home: Ok, I'll do so and reboot, brb and thx for the help |
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| 19:24.30 | jordanm | Zumochi: show the output of tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 |
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| 19:25.19 | Zumochi | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/189405/ |
| 19:25.38 | jordanm | Zumochi: the filesystem is fine too, what's the actual issue? |
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| 19:25.53 | Zumochi | If you want, I can give you results for both tests in the normal system |
| 19:26.02 | jordanm | Zumochi: what test? |
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| 19:26.27 | Zumochi | jordanm: Then, is it fine to have errors like these? http://paste.debian.net/189393/ |
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| 19:26.44 | Zumochi | And originally, I couldn't install _any_ package anymore until the reinstall |
| 19:26.44 | jordanm | Zumochi: on a mounted filesystem, yes |
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| 19:27.34 | jordanm | Zumochi: there are no errors currently on the filesystem, its fine |
| 19:27.38 | Zumochi | Hm |
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| 19:28.06 | jordanm | Zumochi: are you still having some kind of issue? |
| 19:28.32 | Zumochi | Is it also normal for fsck -n to be clean on /dev/sda2 when mounted? |
| 19:28.47 | Zumochi | At this point I don't see any problems (yet) as I've only reinstalled the system a few hours ago. |
| 19:28.57 | henry-nicolas | jelly-home: rebooted, changed nothing, still having a bad /dev/null (bad perms, not a char file); also I'v this kind of error in syslog: "udevd[2809]: open /dev/null failed: No such file or directory" |
| 19:29.10 | jordanm | Zumochi: I would consider the behavior a fscking a rw mounted filesystem "undefined" |
| 19:29.16 | jordanm | Zumochi: you shouldn't do it |
| 19:29.18 | henry-nicolas | jelly-home: I meaned, it changed noting |
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| 19:30.07 | Zumochi | I know I shouldn't run fsck normally on a mounted filesystem, but I used fsck -n... |
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| 19:30.29 | jordanm | Zumochi: a filesystem that is mounted is always "dirty", because of the way the kernel caches writes |
| 19:30.44 | Zumochi | But sda2 is always clean ;_; |
| 19:30.50 | Zumochi | Because it's not root fs? |
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| 19:31.38 | Doggie52 | After having compiled a kernel with some options changed, I get a kernel panic (VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)) -- I'm thinking it's because I'm missing an initrd image |
| 19:31.41 | Doggie52 | How do I get/make one ? |
| 19:31.43 | Zumochi | my last question: do you have any idea how dpkg could suddenly throw errors like that and stop working? |
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| 19:32.22 | jelly-home | henry-nicolas: no idea. At this point I'd probably try to debug initramfs and see if it's present at that point in time or not |
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| 19:32.57 | henry-nicolas | jelly-home: then I'll try to do so, thx for the help |
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| 19:33.29 | Zumochi | jordanm? |
| 19:34.36 | Zumochi | I'll patiently wait for your response |
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| 19:34.40 | frostschutz | henry-nicolas: check if your root filesystem has it, I still think that's probably it |
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| 19:35.47 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: You'd probably be better off looking for errors while you wait for jordanm. |
| 19:36.16 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: Those of us who aren't doing this from home in the evening in Europe are doing this from real jobs which occasionally require our attention. |
| 19:36.23 | henry-nicolas | frostschutz: if my root filesystem has what ? |
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| 19:36.32 | frostschutz | henry-nicolas: /dev/null and others |
| 19:36.36 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: Which was your original problem? |
| 19:36.56 | frostschutz | henry-nicolas: mount /dev/root /mnt/somewhere ; ls /mnt/somewhere/dev/ |
| 19:37.02 | Zumochi | dpkg starting to throw errors when apt-get upgrading |
| 19:37.03 | dpkg | Zumochi: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 19:37.24 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: What errors? Did you post a pastebin? |
| 19:37.29 | Zumochi | I did |
| 19:37.32 | Zumochi | Hang on |
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| 19:38.29 | jhutchins_wk | Got it, 197718 |
| 19:38.34 | Zumochi | jhutchins_wk: http://paste.debian.net/187718/ |
| 19:38.36 | Zumochi | Ah :P |
| 19:38.42 | Zumochi | Almost haha |
| 19:39.02 | henry-nicolas | frostschutz: very interessing, I did the mount and the null file is there and correct + the others as well (to note, my issue is only with /dev/null) |
| 19:39.04 | jhutchins_wk | Were the errors before or after the reinstall? |
| 19:39.43 | Zumochi | Before |
| 19:39.56 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: So are things ok now? |
| 19:40.06 | Zumochi | It seems so, but I want to be absolutely certain. |
| 19:40.13 | Zumochi | I don't mind running a 24h test or something |
| 19:40.20 | frostschutz | henry-nicolas: well, it was worth a shot. good luck debugging initramfs. it's not a custom kernel config you have is it? |
| 19:40.42 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: I suspect that the package database may have been corrupt, it could also have been a problem with the update file for the package list, including possibly a disk problem accessing the file, but not likely. |
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| 19:40.56 | Zumochi | I tried reupdating and reupgrading |
| 19:41.00 | Zumochi | I verified the checksums |
| 19:41.05 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: If smart and fsck report OK I'd just run with it. |
| 19:41.14 | henry-nicolas | frostschutz: nope, Debian packages. Also note I recreated the /dev/null file manually since the last boot, would have it impacted the /dev/root mounted /dev/null ? |
| 19:41.18 | Zumochi | Okay. |
| 19:41.23 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: did you check the checksum of the package list file? |
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| 19:41.45 | Zumochi | I did not check that particular one, no... |
| 19:42.00 | Zumochi | However, it was with every package I tried to install afterwards |
| 19:42.19 | frostschutz | henry-nicolas: depends on if you created it in udevs tmpfs or on the filesystem. usually no |
| 19:42.30 | jhutchins_wk | tar: Unexpected EOF in archive |
| 19:42.43 | henry-nicolas | frostschutz: created in udev tmpfs |
| 19:42.45 | jhutchins_wk | Seriously, that says truncated update file. |
| 19:42.53 | Zumochi | It does? |
| 19:43.05 | Zumochi | I searched around and haven't been able to find anything saying that. |
| 19:44.11 | jhutchins_wk | Unexpected EOF. Means you didn't get the whole tar file. Package list update comes in a tar. Once you've got the bad file it doesn't re-fetch it, but every operation keeps trying to open it and update the database. A full disk could be a reason, or a filestructure that became locked, or just a bad download. |
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| 19:44.40 | jhutchins_wk | It could also be that the file on the server got truncated/corrupted. |
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| 19:45.44 | Zumochi | That would be... very unlikely, considering I only have official debian mirrors in my sources.list |
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| 19:47.14 | henry-nicolas | frostschutz: note also that the file c1:3 under /run/udev/data is empty, is this normal ? |
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| 19:51.24 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: It happens. The mirrors are all volunteers. |
| 19:52.20 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: Sometimes a link gets dropped in mid update, and lots of things can corrupt the system. That's why packages are signed/checksummed. |
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| 19:52.48 | Zumochi | yeah... |
| 19:53.15 | Zumochi | Well okay. I'll just go with the system as it is right now. And hope for the best :P |
| 19:54.09 | jhutchins_wk | henry-nicolas: Well there's your problem. |
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| 19:58.03 | jhutchins_wk | Zumochi: Check the log for smart errors and you should be fine. If you do start to see smart errors, back the data up immediately - sometimes you don't even have hours before the drive is useless. (Sometimes it'll stumble on for years.) |
| 19:59.01 | jhutchins_wk | Did anyone else spot henry-nicholas' problem? |
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| 20:01.26 | sliddjur | Hello, I set a folder chgrp mygroup and then chmod g+rws |
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| 20:01.55 | sliddjur | but when a user of that group creates a file in that folder. it is still only writable for that user ? |
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| 20:02.59 | nini_ | sliddjur: look at umask stuff |
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| 20:03.16 | sliddjur | i did. |
| 20:03.38 | nini_ | and what is your umask |
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| 20:04.17 | sliddjur | but. it seems that on my ubuntu it is the same umask, but it works differntly? i am doing some homework in school and they use ubuntu. but i use raspbian (debian wheezy?) |
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| 20:04.58 | sliddjur | got ubuntu on laptop raspbian on server |
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| 20:05.50 | nini_ | what is the result of the umask commanf with the use who create the file |
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| 20:09.41 | sliddjur | 0022 |
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| 20:10.12 | sliddjur | hmm, maybe i was wrong, my umask on ubuntu is 0002 |
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| 20:10.28 | sliddjur | what does the first 0 stand for? there are 4 digits |
| 20:10.40 | nini_ | and when you create file waht is the right |
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| 20:12.57 | nini_ | the first 0 is for special permission SGID SUID sticki |
| 20:13.37 | format_c | sliddjur, normally you would chmod a typical directory permission to 0755 and not just 755. |
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| 20:14.06 | format_c | but chmod is that flexible to see that when the leading 0 is missing 0 is prepended |
| 20:14.08 | nini_ | what is the permission when the file get create rw-r----- |
| 20:14.10 | Zumochi | jhutchins_wk: everything seems to be fine... Thanks for the help. Also thank you to jordanm :) |
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| 20:14.43 | format_c | we could tell you, but wouldn't it be better when you learn how to read by yourself? |
| 20:14.45 | sliddjur | nini_: the other users of that group cant write the files the first user created in that folder |
| 20:14.48 | gnarface | nini_: its easier to figure out if you can count in binary, though why isn't immediately apparent |
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| 20:15.16 | fas3r | hello |
| 20:15.55 | fas3r | does the command ausearch check the old log ? (for example audit.log.1, audit.log.2 ... ) ? |
| 20:16.22 | simonlnu | man ausearch perhaps ... |
| 20:17.10 | nini_ | sliddjur: what the permission of the folder and hte permission of the folder or file create underneath |
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| 20:17.43 | simonlnu | nini_: 'man chmod'; then also 'info chmod' |
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| 20:18.30 | simonlnu | i very much doubt you'll want to come here every time you want to figure out what those mean .... |
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| 20:18.35 | nini_ | <simonlnu> I know I just want to help sliddjur and understand the problem |
| 20:18.40 | sliddjur | drwxrws--- 2 root marketgroup 4096 Sep 9 15:18 market |
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| 20:20.53 | nini_ | sliddjur ok and the permission when you create file inside this folder |
| 20:21.10 | sliddjur | when a user of that group create something in that file it gets: |
| 20:21.19 | dawud | the output of 'ausearch -m avc | audit2allow' is quite a huge list of unmanaged denials in Debian SELinux policy, is anyone around here today involved in Debian SELinux mantainership? refpolicy is a year old now... |
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| 20:22.01 | sliddjur | -rw-r--r-- 1 lisa marketgroup 0 Sep 11 22:21 lisa |
| 20:22.08 | sliddjur | umask 0022 |
| 20:22.34 | fas3r | simonlnu: I already check the man of ausearch but it's not written there, it's why i'm asking here :D |
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| 20:22.47 | nini_ | change the umask to 0002 |
| 20:23.07 | simonlnu | fas3r: understood. maybe the --help ? |
| 20:23.14 | fas3r | same :S |
| 20:23.28 | nini_ | depend how people are log via X or shell use profile file |
| 20:23.29 | simonlnu | though if it's not in the manual, it's not likely to be in --help |
| 20:23.34 | sliddjur | But then every user would manually have to change each time they login. And also when writing files to other private folders? |
| 20:23.38 | fas3r | simonlnu: hoooooooooooo |
| 20:23.42 | fas3r | found :D |
| 20:23.49 | simonlnu | cool |
| 20:23.59 | dawud | ausearch -f ? |
| 20:24.18 | nini_ | sliddjur you can change umask for everyone in /etc/profile |
| 20:24.29 | simonlnu | or just for you |
| 20:24.47 | dawud | or ausearch -if $FILE if you moved them around |
| 20:24.48 | fas3r | dawud: -if |
| 20:25.40 | dawud | fas3r: are you using SELinux in wheezy by chance? |
| 20:26.19 | sliddjur | nini_: i suppose you mean /etc/login.defs? |
| 20:26.24 | fas3r | dawud: no redhat but here i alway have a solution :P |
| 20:26.32 | fas3r | dawud: what's your problem ? |
| 20:26.35 | sliddjur | it says its handled by pam_umask |
| 20:27.08 | dawud | fas3r: SELinux in Debian is far behind upstream tresys refpolicy, many unsolved denials, etc ... |
| 20:27.31 | dawud | just interested in its improvement |
| 20:27.39 | fas3r | dawud: I created my own rules for auditd |
| 20:27.43 | nini_ | sliddjur depend your distrib and how people access the file (X, NFS, SAMBA,shell) |
| 20:27.50 | dawud | I myself also use RHEL @ JOB |
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| 20:28.26 | dawud | fas3r: yes, but I'd rather see a working policy (default _and_ strict, left alone MLS/MCS) |
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| 20:28.50 | sliddjur | i access my server via ssh |
| 20:28.59 | nini_ | sliddjur login.def is when you create user |
| 20:29.08 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, you can set the default umask of users in the "undefined" portion of the GECOS field in the password database |
| 20:29.15 | fas3r | dawud: it seems to work for me, let see in 15 minutes when I restored my old auditlog file :) |
| 20:29.17 | simonlnu | login.defs isn't used in debian |
| 20:29.19 | nini_ | /etc/profile is read everytime someone log in |
| 20:30.22 | sliddjur | nini_: my /etc/profile file tells me to go to /etc/login.defs |
| 20:30.28 | sliddjur | raspbian is my distro |
| 20:30.33 | dawud | fas3r: don't you have and endless output when issuing 'ausearch -m avc | audit2allow' ? |
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| 20:30.41 | dawud | s/and/an |
| 20:30.48 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 20:30.49 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the Raspberry Pi. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ . The regular Debian squeeze, wheezy etc <armel> ports work fine on the Raspberry Pi but don't use the Pi's hardware floating point support. (Debian's <armhf> port (wheezy onwards) targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it.) |
| 20:30.50 | nini_ | don't know raspian |
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| 20:32.19 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, "chfn -o umask=002 useryouwanttoaffect", obviously only starts working with the next login |
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| 20:32.46 | sliddjur | blubberdiblub: do i put that in some file? |
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| 20:33.14 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, with the chfn command, the passwd database gets changed (by default /etc/passwd, unless you use nis or ldap) |
| 20:33.36 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, eventually that goes into the last part of the GECOS field |
| 20:34.02 | sliddjur | im not familiar with the gecos field yet. but ill try to run that command |
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| 20:34.45 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, the gecos field is where information like your full name, room number, telephone etc. is stored (and can obviously be empty) |
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| 20:38.18 | simonlnu | ldap with exop can do that, sort of. |
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| 20:39.11 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, you may have to add "session optional pam_umask.so" to both /etc/pam.d/common-session and /etc/pam.d/common-session-noninteractive tho, if it isn't already, if you want the umask in the gecos field to work |
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| 20:43.28 | sliddjur | anyways, does it matter if i type umask 0002 or 002 in the gecos filed |
| 20:43.32 | sliddjur | field |
| 20:44.14 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, shouldn't matter |
| 20:44.22 | gnarface | probably not, but why would you want to choose ambiguity over the cost of one extra byte? |
| 20:45.02 | blubberdiblub | gnarface, it's not ambiguous. it's octal. 02 002 0002 and 00002 all mean the same in octal |
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| 20:45.52 | jelly-home | blubberdiblub: even 2 means the same even if it's not octal! |
| 20:45.55 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: despite the fact that what you say is correct, i disagree |
| 20:46.12 | gnarface | blubberdiblub: its still ambiguous to anyone that doesn't have that context |
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| 20:46.23 | sliddjur | blubberdiblub: the gecos field commandn didnt work. i relogged that user |
| 20:46.40 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, did you read what i said regarding the pam stuff? |
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| 20:47.09 | sliddjur | i read, but didnt apply it yet. i am also not familiar with that. need to read up on that |
| 20:47.37 | sliddjur | but nini_ mentioned earlier that it depends on how people access the server? |
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| 20:48.52 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, the umask in the gecos field does not depend how people access the server as long as all is configured to go through pam (sshd should be configured so by default). but of course any of your /etc/profile ~/.profile and other files could overwrite the so set umask |
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| 20:50.54 | blubberdiblub | sliddjur, and for safety reasons, i suggest you keep a login open to your box at all times (and don't log that out) while changing your pam config, so you can restore the old config in case you messed something up. if you don't, you could easily lock yourself out of the box, if you mess up the pam config |
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| 20:53.01 | sliddjur | Ok, thanks a lot for all the help blubberdiblub . I will try playing around with it more tomorrow, need to sleep now. :) |
| 20:53.27 | blubberdiblub | you're welcome, i'm off to bed too ;) |
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| 21:04.00 | bool | should I use ext4 for my /boot partition? |
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| 21:04.40 | sney | bool: what debian version? but yes, that should be fine |
| 21:04.52 | bool | wheezy |
| 21:05.22 | sney | yep you can use ext4 for everything on wheezy |
| 21:05.33 | bool | any reason why so many suggest using ext2 for boot partiton? |
| 21:05.40 | sney | old data |
| 21:05.48 | bool | k |
| 21:05.49 | bool | thanks |
| 21:05.59 | sney | same as having a separate /boot partition. it is almost always not necessary |
| 21:06.21 | themill | there's also little advantage for ext4 over ext2 for /boot |
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| 21:07.04 | bool | themill, i would consider consistency more important. it looks "better" if all partitions use ext4 |
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| 21:07.41 | johnfg | hi folks! |
| 21:07.42 | jordanm | the /boot partition really doesn't need journaling |
| 21:07.44 | themill | that's a long way down my list of priorities -- but knock yourself out with it |
| 21:07.49 | bool | sney: wouldnt it be useful to have a separate partition in case something fails? |
| 21:07.59 | n1md4 | hello. running debian 6 testing, and have non-free added to sources.list, but can't find sun-java6-jre |
| 21:08.16 | sney | n1md4: debian 6 is stable, testing is different |
| 21:08.22 | jordanm | bool: things in /boot are typically easily replaceable. it doesn't contain real data |
| 21:08.53 | johnfg | This is a newbie question even though I'm not a newbie. |
| 21:08.55 | sney | bool: I'm not sure what kind of "something" you are worried about failing that would cause / to be inaccessible, but you could still get to /boot. the only place I can see it making sense is with more complex arrays and/or encryption, but even then... |
| 21:09.17 | johnfg | We moved, and I've got to go back to a dynamic ip, running squeeze. |
| 21:09.18 | n1md4 | sney: okay. It was a Debian 6 install, I then edited sources.list, replacing s/squeeze/testing then ran a dist-upgrade. |
| 21:09.56 | themill | n1md4: you should use "wheezy" not "testing" in your sources.list; you won't find sun java anywhere in wheezy as Oracle doesn't permit debian to distribute it |
| 21:09.57 | johnfg | However, I had manually configured everything for the network so that I could have openafs, openldap and openvpn working as I wanted. |
| 21:09.57 | sney | n1md4: also, since oracle changed the java licensing, wheezy+ is no longer allowed to distribute sun java. you have openjdk, though, which should be good enough, and if you don't mind gigantic security holes you can also download the sun-java6 .debs from packages.debian.org and install them manually |
| 21:10.13 | bool | sney: so nothing security related either? if i dont mount the boot partition, could that prevent hackers from doing harm? |
| 21:11.10 | sney | if a hacker of some sort gained access to your system they could just mount /boot if it was not mounted. |
| 21:11.26 | johnfg | Now, I'm not able to connect to the wireless here and I can't figure out why. I've looked at my notes and at everything that I had edited (I thought), but can't find where I actually input the key for the wireless connection. |
| 21:11.34 | n1md4 | sney and themill: thanks. |
| 21:12.01 | n1md4 | It's for this goban client, it wants sun java, annoyingly! |
| 21:12.14 | bool | hmmm... i guess i can put my /boot on root if there arent any real advantages |
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| 21:12.51 | johnfg | I need to get eth1 my wireless up. |
| 21:12.54 | psyclopolis | is there some easy way of loging everything my python program prints? |
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| 21:13.17 | johnfg | And it's fine, no problem with the wireless itself. |
| 21:13.39 | sney | your wireless is eth1 not wlanX? |
| 21:13.54 | sney | psyclopolis: tee |
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| 21:13.57 | n1md4 | themill: Out of interest, why wheezy and not testing in sources.list. |
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| 21:14.27 | sney | n1md4: because when wheezy releases you'll automatically go to the next testing branch, which will be a huge scary mess for a few months |
| 21:14.37 | themill | n1md4: when wheezy releases, you'll find that testing can be a bit of a mess for a time. You might actually decide that you want to stick with wheezy anyway |
| 21:14.38 | sney | that is if you keep "testing" |
| 21:14.48 | johnfg | sney: That could be the problem I guess. At the former residence I had this machine connected by eth0 most of the time. How can I be sure? |
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| 21:15.12 | johnfg | I.e., sure of what is the dev for my wireless? |
| 21:15.15 | sney | johnfg: 'iwlist eth1 scan' to see if it is actually your wireless interface |
| 21:15.17 | n1md4 | okay. thanks guys. |
| 21:15.45 | themill | psyclopolis: do mean something like "myscript > logfile" ? |
| 21:15.46 | Doggie52 | With a newly compiled kernel I get the panic VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 21:15.55 | Doggie52 | Any ideas? I've made sure an initial ramdisk has been created |
| 21:16.07 | bool | should i move my /var/log to tmpfs? i dont care if logs are deleted between boots |
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| 21:16.13 | Saviq | MoDaX, hey, I've taglib-1.8 packaged, wanna take a look? |
| 21:16.28 | sney | Doggie52: did you remember to include the module for your filesystem |
| 21:16.49 | sney | bool: personal choice, I guess |
| 21:16.51 | Saviq | MoDaX, can I somehow submit it for you guys for review? |
| 21:16.52 | Doggie52 | Yes, I even set it to Y as opposed to only M |
| 21:16.55 | Doggie52 | sney, |
| 21:16.59 | psyclopolis | themill: I mean whenever I call the print function what i print is saved to a log file |
| 21:17.12 | cryo__ | haha help pls |
| 21:17.19 | sney | !ask |
| 21:17.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:17.20 | johnfg | sney: Good for me, yes it is. |
| 21:17.22 | cryo__ | my networking is NOT configured right and I've tried to do it |
| 21:17.30 | psyclopolis | i'll try myscript | tee log.log |
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| 21:17.42 | johnfg | sney: And the scan is showing the wireless connection. |
| 21:17.44 | sney | johnfg: ok, and did you happen to see your access point's SSID in the output? |
| 21:17.45 | sney | ok |
| 21:17.47 | cryo__ | For instance I have a hard time getting on an unencrypted AP even after rebooting. Also my wifi keeps dissociating |
| 21:17.49 | themill | psyclopolis: or even better, "import logging" and set up proper logging |
| 21:18.04 | johnfg | sney: yes, churchoffice. |
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| 21:18.34 | Guest83345 | How can I enable multiple desktops in GNOME3 -wheezy ? |
| 21:18.36 | johnfg | The ESSID:"churchoffice" |
| 21:18.42 | sney | johnfg: you mentioned a key, is it wep or wpa/wpa2? |
| 21:19.06 | johnfg | wpa I'm pretty sure. |
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| 21:19.16 | themill | psyclopolis: #python can point you to the right documentation for that |
| 21:19.17 | bool | i am will be installing wheezy on a ssd drive tomorrow... should i care about aligning, or will that be done automatically by the installer? |
| 21:19.40 | sney | johnfg: make sure you have wpasupplicant installed and read its associated docs |
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| 21:19.55 | sney | bool: I have had zero troubles of any kind just using wheezy on a SSD out of the box |
| 21:20.21 | johnfg | sney: So, in /etc/network/interfaces I have this: "iface eth1 inet dhcp" |
| 21:20.29 | psyclopolis | themill: haha I thought I was in #python forgot i joined #debian |
| 21:20.34 | bool | sney: so the installer aligns automatically? |
| 21:20.42 | unferth | i didn't know that was possible! |
| 21:20.43 | cryo__ | Could I get some help fixing my networking setup on boot please? |
| 21:20.52 | cryo__ | I've tried setting up a proper interfaces file |
| 21:20.53 | sney | bool: I don't know the technical details of it, but everything works fine! |
| 21:21.13 | bool | k. thanks |
| 21:21.14 | sney | johnfg: if you need help with interfaces, read 'man 5 interfaces' |
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| 21:22.38 | Havis | Hello, is there any plan to enable CONFIG_CGROUP_MEM_RES_CTLR_SWAP in default debian kernel? (it's needed to limit LXC containers swap space...) |
| 21:23.02 | johnfg | sney: Where/when does one normally enter the key? |
| 21:23.29 | sney | johnfg: read. the. docs. |
| 21:23.43 | bzed | Havis: probably report a wishlist bug against linux-2.6, requesting to enable that |
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| 21:23.58 | bzed | Havis: asking here won't help much :) |
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| 21:24.22 | Havis | bzed: where shall I ask? |
| 21:24.30 | johnfg | I'm reading the interfaces page, but haven't found that answer, yet... |
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| 21:28.46 | cryo__ | Jesus |
| 21:29.01 | cryo__ | It looks like a route keeps being added for eth0 which lies on the same subnet was wlan0's gw |
| 21:29.08 | cryo__ | any idea how that happens? |
| 21:29.30 | sney | cryo__: network-manager running? it likes to put its grubby fingers in things it shouldn't be managing |
| 21:29.43 | cryo__ | no |
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| 21:30.05 | cryo__ | sney: i've disabled that already |
| 21:30.14 | bzed | Havis: 23:23:43 < bzed> Havis: probably report a wishlist bug against linux-2.6, requesting to enable that |
| 21:30.18 | cryo__ | also having trouble loading pages |
| 21:30.26 | sney | cryo__: can you pastebin your interfaces file |
| 21:30.57 | Havis | bzed, ok I try bugs.debian.org, right? :) |
| 21:31.29 | bzed | Havis: yeah. there you'll find enough documentation about reporting bugs. or just run reportbug linux-2.6 in a terminal |
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| 21:33.26 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 21:33.39 | Harzilein | is there a way to disable the scrolling to the end of the screen in nex? |
| 21:33.48 | Harzilein | (nex is part of nvi) |
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| 21:35.18 | cryo__ | it just dropped the wireless connection to the ap again and i had to specify essid, the signal strength is strong |
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| 21:35.30 | cryo__ | http://pastebin.ca/2203314 |
| 21:35.44 | cryo__ | i have a broadcom4313 and im using brcmsmac |
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| 21:39.09 | rubin110 | Is there anyway to get a listing of near by wifi access points, while still connected to an access point, and not having network manager installed? |
| 21:39.21 | sney | rubin110: 'iwlist wlanX scan' |
| 21:39.40 | rubin110 | sney: That will only return info about the currently connected to access point. |
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| 21:40.02 | rubin110 | At least for me. |
| 21:40.02 | cryo__ | sney: http://pastebin.ca/2203314 |
| 21:40.03 | cryo__ | it just dropped the wireless connection to the ap again and i had to specify essid, the signal strength is strong |
| 21:40.03 | cryo__ | i have a broadcom4313 and im using brcmsmac |
| 21:40.05 | epsilon | it shouldnt usually... can you de-associate and try again? |
| 21:40.28 | sney | yeah, mine definitely shows all the neighbourhood APs even while associated |
| 21:40.58 | cryo__ | could it be wicd |
| 21:40.59 | rubin110 | epsilon: When I disconnect I get a list, but once I'm connected I can only get stats on the current AP I'm connected to. |
| 21:41.11 | sney | cryo__: I kind of doubt that it's wicd but you could try again without it |
| 21:41.27 | sney | rubin110: could be a limitation of your nic or driver |
| 21:41.27 | epsilon | rubin110: which hardware? |
| 21:41.42 | rubin110 | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 (rev 34) |
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| 21:43.02 | cryo__ | What are my options for troubleshooting these connections, it's not just this AP sney |
| 21:43.38 | sney | cryo__: try without the wired connection enabled |
| 21:43.54 | cryo__ | it automatically re-enabled the eth0 if right away sney |
| 21:44.03 | epsilon | rubin110: seems to be a quite new card? maybe driver is still in development |
| 21:44.05 | cryo__ | now it didnt |
| 21:44.08 | cryo__ | wait |
| 21:44.10 | cryo__ | yes it did! |
| 21:44.15 | cryo__ | eth0 keeps coming back up |
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| 21:44.25 | sney | disable it in interfaces, unplug the cord, modprobe -r the module |
| 21:44.56 | cryo__ | ah |
| 21:44.57 | cryo__ | good idea |
| 21:45.33 | Schrodinger`Cat | hey |
| 21:45.41 | Erlkoenig | Hello, i'm trying to convert a "normal" (BIOS-based) install of debian-stable to UEFI. I successfully "converted" the disk to the GPT format, created (as documented in various tutorials) a "EFI System Partition" (FAT32 part.), mounted it to /boot/efi, and now would like to install the grub-efi stuff there. I installed grub-efi-amd64, but the "grub-install" program doesn't accept the |
| 21:45.41 | Erlkoenig | --target, --efi-directory, --bootloader, --recheck options which are used in the tut's. It installs some files to /boot/grub (not /boot/efi as documented), and also doesn't install to "/boot/efi/EFI/debian", but directly to "/boot/grub". dpkg indicates the grub-install i'm using is the correct one from grub-efi-amd64. How do i get this working without grub-install doing what it is supposed to? |
| 21:45.47 | cryo__ | shit \interfaces didnt do it |
| 21:45.52 | rubin110 | epsilon: Wicd and netowkr managet can list out the networks fine. |
| 21:46.00 | Schrodinger`Cat | i need to install libssl0.9.8 in my debian testing, and actual version is 1.0.0, how i can force an old version ? thanks |
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| 21:46.55 | jhutchins_wk | cryo__: That sounds like network manager is messing with you. |
| 21:47.30 | cryo__ | i may have another nw manager jhutchins_wk |
| 21:47.58 | cryo__ | how can i do a search for anything "network" in my installed apps |
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| 21:48.17 | Erlkoenig | I used https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB2#Install_grub-uefi_boot_files and http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/UEFI_Firmware and these seem to assume another "grub-install" version |
| 21:48.37 | epsilon | Schrodinger`Cat: try install libssl 0.9.8 from stable package |
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| 21:49.36 | epsilon | Schrodinger`Cat: but remember this may break other application, if you only install 0.9.8 or even both. it's up to you |
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| 21:51.38 | cryo__ | ok i just removed the module "tg3" sney |
| 21:51.51 | cryo__ | im waiting to see if i stay connected |
| 21:51.55 | Schrodinger`Cat | epsilon: thanks |
| 21:52.00 | Schrodinger`Cat | i do $ $ sudo dpkg -i --force-all vmware-view-client_1.5.0-0ubuntu0.10.04_i386.deb |
| 21:52.04 | Schrodinger`Cat | and it work fine :) |
| 21:52.16 | Schrodinger`Cat | no need another version of libssl :) |
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| 21:53.31 | cryo__ | sney: it looks like even without eth0 it won't stay associated to the ap |
| 21:56.37 | a7x | ehi, how do i install the transcode-utils package ( i need avisplit) ? it's not available in the repository |
| 21:57.37 | cryo__ | seriously need help here |
| 21:57.42 | cryo__ | can't stay on the AP |
| 21:58.44 | epsilon | a7x: it's in debian-multimedia.org repo |
| 21:58.47 | sney | cryo__: do any other clients have this problem |
| 21:58.53 | sney | epsilon: deb-multimedia.org, the name changed |
| 21:59.18 | cryo__ | sney: this is with multiple AP's so I doubt it, I will ask a fellow user |
| 21:59.28 | epsilon | a7x: but whatch out, debian-multimedia is know to break some stuff, better install it in debootstrap/vm something |
| 21:59.43 | a7x | uhm, what happens if i just install the .deb? |
| 21:59.43 | epsilon | sney: ah ok |
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| 22:00.07 | epsilon | a7x: probably you will need way more packages (dependencies) |
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| 22:00.25 | cryo__ | they guy i asked was deaf sney, but I still got the impression he's not having any issues |
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| 22:01.45 | a7x | epsilon, well yep i tried |
| 22:02.11 | sney | cryo__: heh. well, I'm starting to think this is broadcom's fault |
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| 22:03.04 | cryo__ | me too sney |
| 22:03.07 | cryo__ | essid gets set to off/any periodically |
| 22:03.41 | sney | I had a machine with a semi-broken wifi nic where I needed to set a cron job to reset the wireless connection every hour or so. sounds like yours is a lot worse, but basically the same situation |
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| 22:04.57 | themill | Schrodinger`Cat: every time you use --force* options with dpkg, a small flask of hydrocyanic acid is shattered. |
| 22:05.23 | cryo__ | if that says anything, i had a little trouble before using wl driver where I had to set the mode to ad-hoc to connect to an ap |
| 22:05.27 | cryo__ | i could try going back and working on that to get it working smoothly |
| 22:05.46 | Schrodinger`Cat | themill: :/ |
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| 22:06.07 | Schrodinger`Cat | meow ! |
| 22:06.10 | Schrodinger`Cat | and !meow |
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| 22:06.47 | themill | Schrodinger`Cat: more seriously, you'll probably find apt complaining about what you did forever more |
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| 22:07.09 | a7x | thnks epsilon ;) |
| 22:08.03 | Schrodinger`Cat | themill: i think there is no libssl0.9.8 available |
| 22:08.10 | Schrodinger`Cat | only libssl1.0.0 |
| 22:08.12 | Schrodinger`Cat | :/ |
| 22:08.35 | themill | that's normally a sign that the thing you are trying to use is not designed for your distribution. The "ubuntu" in the .deb name normally is too. |
| 22:08.45 | Schrodinger`Cat | debian testing too rolling for me |
| 22:09.01 | Schrodinger`Cat | i know |
| 22:09.31 | Schrodinger`Cat | i will return to ubuntu, :) |
| 22:09.39 | Schrodinger`Cat | or stable |
| 22:09.52 | Schrodinger`Cat | because too many pain in *** with testing |
| 22:10.02 | themill | testing is called testing for a reason |
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| 22:10.57 | themill | Schrodinger`Cat: if it weren't non-free crap, you could recompile that thing for wheezy |
| 22:11.19 | Schrodinger`Cat | its a non-free crap |
| 22:11.22 | Schrodinger`Cat | vmware lol |
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| 22:14.49 | Schrodinger`Cat | see ya |
| 22:14.55 | Schrodinger`Cat | thanks themill <3 |
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| 22:18.59 | divbell | when i install or upgrade libc6, i see this message: "INIT: version 2.88 reloading" |
| 22:19.08 | divbell | is there a way to suppress that message without changing the console= line in grub.cfg? |
| 22:19.22 | divbell | i tried setterm -off but that didn't do it |
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| 22:29.41 | Anticom | hi all |
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| 22:30.35 | Anticom | i'm trying to install a CI server called cruise control. it run's on java and comes with an sh script to set it up. now when i run that shell script console is telling me that it can't find /bin/java although sun's java jdk is installed |
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| 22:30.56 | meLon | I am having a hard time configuring colors (bash and vim) for my server's console. ssh colors work fine. My problem is the 'physical console'. I'm having a hard time differentiating between them in search results. ANy suggestions? |
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| 22:35.08 | sney | Anticom: /bin/java is nonstandard, the java binary lives in /usr/bin |
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| 22:35.24 | Anticom | sney i just saw the script uses $JAVA_HOME |
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| 22:35.41 | Anticom | so i need to set a system variable i suppose? |
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| 22:36.24 | sney | yeah or just declare it befor running the script, e.g. JAVA_HOME=foo ./bar.sh |
| 22:37.14 | Anticom | sney like directly in the shell? |
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| 22:38.33 | Anticom | sorry i'm quite a linux newbie |
| 22:38.58 | sney | Anticom: yes, directly in the shell on the same line as executing the script |
| 22:39.23 | Anticom | okay, thank's i'll give it a shot |
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| 22:42.45 | Anticom | okay now i'm having an issue with permissions |
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| 22:44.45 | Anticom | oh and JAVA_HOME still is unknown |
| 22:44.47 | boudiccas | Anticom: which tell us zero, zip, zilch! more information needed if you want help |
| 22:45.00 | Anticom | when i type "set JAVA_HOME = foo | echo $JAVA_HOME" i'm getting an empty line |
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| 22:45.20 | Anticom | boudiccas sorry if i'm kind of writing slow... doing some trial and error in the background |
| 22:45.45 | Anticom | um so the shellscript can't create a file in the directory the shellscript also is located at |
| 22:45.53 | Anticom | it belongs to www-data and is executed by www-data |
| 22:47.11 | Anticom | boudiccas what else do you need? |
| 22:47.29 | boudiccas | Anticom: i've justset up oracle java tonight, so sudo leafpad /etc/profile and add export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/j2sdk1.7-oracle/jre/bin/java then logout and log in again and JAVA_HOME is set |
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| 22:49.24 | boudiccas | Anticom: to check run echo $JAVA_HOME |
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| 22:50.39 | boudiccas | Anticom: got java_home sorted now? |
| 22:50.51 | Anticom | nope, still don't get it to work |
| 22:51.06 | Anticom | i mean i could patch the sh-script but i don't think that i'm supposed to do that |
| 22:51.07 | Anticom | am i? |
| 22:51.42 | boudiccas | Anticom: there is no shell script involved in setting JAVA_HOME. i've just told you how to do it |
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| 22:52.30 | boudiccas | Anticom: try setting java_home and then run your script |
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| 22:53.09 | Anticom | so classpaths are located at /etc/profile? |
| 22:53.31 | boudiccas | no idea, i just know java_home as i said as i've just done it |
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| 22:54.23 | Anticom | lol but i won't edit some files i've never seen before when you're not sure what it actually does |
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| 22:54.49 | Anticom | hope you don't mind, but don't want to mess up our server |
| 22:55.07 | Anticom | i'll wait till next week and ask our sysadmin |
| 22:55.46 | boudiccas | Anticom: i was not telling you to edit some scipt you require to set up a server, i was telling you how to set up $JAVA_HOME and nothing else. but its your choice |
| 22:55.56 | Anticom | huh?! |
| 22:56.06 | Anticom | boudiccas thought you told me to edit /etc/profiles |
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| 22:56.36 | boudiccas | yes, its a perfectly good file to add to and it works |
| 22:56.46 | Anticom | but what is this file? |
| 22:57.00 | Anticom | i want to know what it is and what it does, before i edit anything |
| 22:57.17 | boudiccas | it sets the pathways for various programme s such that they can run, and you can run them from the command line |
| 22:57.56 | Anticom | boudiccas okay. so i simply append JAVA_HOME = path/to/jdk at the end of the file? |
| 22:58.09 | boudiccas | Anticom: i suggest you do some research with aunty google and learn a bit more about it and how to set it up |
| 22:58.51 | Anticom | i've googled arround for quite a bit to find out anything about setting JAVA_HOME under debian but i didn't find anything promissing |
| 22:59.12 | boudiccas | Anticom: i added it just after, i think, export PATH |
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| 23:00.17 | Anticom | i guess root has uid 0? |
| 23:00.34 | Anticom | because i've got a conditional before setting path in my profile file |
| 23:00.39 | boudiccas | save, log out and log back in and then run the echo java command and you'll see its set, use echo $JAVA_HOME |
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| 23:00.43 | boudiccas | no idea |
| 23:01.03 | Anticom | sec |
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| 23:01.49 | boudiccas | i've justset up oracle java tonight, so sudo leafpad /etc/profile and add export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/j2sdk1.7-oracle/jre/bin/java then logout and log in again and JAVA_HOME is set |
| 23:02.39 | TheWarden | how do I get Debian to startx at system startup? I installed Debian without graphical environment to keep things cleaner and then installed gnome-session and xorg. |
| 23:04.43 | jordanm | TheWarden: install a graphical display manager such as gdm3 |
| 23:05.23 | Anticom | boudiccas echo $JAVA_HOME still echos out an empty line |
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| 23:07.03 | boudiccas | Anticom: did you log out and then log back in? and this is all assuming that you've installed the latest java from oracle java? and have you tried running java -version which will show you which java you have installed? |
| 23:07.13 | Anticom | i've appended JAVA_HOME="/path/to/folder" to profile file |
| 23:07.45 | TheWarden | jordanm: okay, makes sense. Thanks. |
| 23:08.00 | Anticom | boudiccas yes |
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| 23:08.26 | boudiccas | Anticom: so what version of java have you got installed? |
| 23:08.50 | Anticom | sec, logging off again... remote desktop is buggy again today -.- |
| 23:09.11 | boudiccas | Anticom: well i've told you how to do it, i'm going to bed |
| 23:09.45 | Anticom | gnite |
| 23:09.54 | TheWarden | good night all |
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| 23:10.06 | Anticom | anyone else willing to help? :O |
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| 23:11.05 | Anticom | anyway bedtime for me aswell |
| 23:11.07 | Anticom | gn8 all, bb |
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| 23:33.33 | makoto | hey guys. i'm redebianing my sun netra T1, over serial console, since well.. thats the only way iirc. so it installs, right the way up to "select and install software", where it hangs at 13% of "Retrieving file 1 of 1". How can I see what its actaually doing? (or not doing as the case may be) |
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| 23:34.30 | scientes | makoto, check out tty....i think 3 or 4 |
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| 23:34.39 | scientes | oh, over serial console.... |
| 23:34.47 | makoto | how do i switch to a tty over serial? :/ |
| 23:34.54 | scientes | you dont |
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| 23:36.43 | fas3r | I know that it's necessary to reboot the server when we add new rules in auditd. But is it necessary to reboot the server then we modify the logfilelimit, sizeloglimit in the auditd.conf, or just restart the service is enough ? |
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| 23:49.26 | fas3r | hello |
| 23:49.30 | fas3r | I know that it's necessary to reboot the server when we add new rules in auditd. But is it necessary to reboot the server then we modify the logfilelimit, sizeloglimit in the auditd.conf, or just restart the service is enough ? |
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| 23:53.19 | crazy0n3 | fas3r you should just need to restart the service rather then the machine |
| 23:54.23 | somiaj | yea the only reason I see you would want to restart the server is to ensure audit=1 so you can audit all the processes. Once that is set, restarting the service should be fine. |
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