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| 00:40.03 | joulez | hi, i've just upgraded from lenny->squeeze :), anyhow..are there any particular packages that need to be installed for usb device (removabled disk) notification? |
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| 00:44.29 | short_circuit | I was curious if someone could help. When I upgraded my machines from debian last stable to debian current stable I've gotten really slow and surge like transfers with my usbsticks, tablet.... Heck.. anything connected via usb. Way slower than the previous release. Lots of different hardware, same peculiar behavior. |
| 00:44.39 | nsadmin | joulez, so it doesn't work? |
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| 00:47.39 | joulez | nsadmin: they end up mounted in /media fine..just not notified of it..could be a kde issue. |
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| 00:51.45 | short_circuit | ugh... google search seems to indicate I need a newer kernel to resolve. Is there a repo out there I can get a kernel 2.6.36 or newer to run on 6.0 deb nice and stable?? |
| 00:52.53 | engla | short_circuit: there is backports |
| 00:53.12 | engla | backports.debian.org |
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| 00:53.32 | short_circuit | adding it now |
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| 00:53.44 | short_circuit | hopefully they hage a 2.6.newenough |
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| 00:53.57 | short_circuit | s/hage/kernel.... brainfart |
| 00:54.01 | engla | it should have wheezy's kernel which is 3.2.* |
| 00:54.02 | nsadmin | ok so that obviously rules out a bunch of stuff... device, cables, usb connector, usb controller, any mobo hubs, drivers. |
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| 00:54.29 | sney | ,kernels |
| 00:54.30 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 00:54.55 | nsadmin | and in fact the mount succeeded... you're saying the only issue is lack of notification |
| 00:55.02 | nsadmin | ? |
| 00:55.41 | joulez | nsadmin: yes. |
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| 00:56.56 | short_circuit | I wonder how much I'll break with a 3.2 kernel :( |
| 00:57.37 | short_circuit | currently 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 00:57.38 | short_circuit | on my netbook |
| 00:58.25 | wkhan113 | Short_circuit: why would something break? |
| 00:58.34 | wkhan113 | I like 3.2 |
| 00:58.36 | dondelelcaro | short_circuit: you can just use a backport kernel to see |
| 00:58.45 | dondelelcaro | short_circuit: but things shouldn't break |
| 00:59.01 | sney | short_circuit: installing a new kernel won't remove your current one. if something fails when you boot the 3.2 kernel, just reboot back into 2.6.32 |
| 00:59.36 | short_circuit | Oh.. I know... just pick the old one in grub |
| 00:59.37 | short_circuit | anywho |
| 00:59.47 | short_circuit | which should I try now that you have my uname -r |
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| 01:01.08 | short_circuit | was just remembering when he built a really cutting edge kernel for a very old rig and ended up completely unable to get a stable wireless network card set up. |
| 01:02.39 | short_circuit | guess I'll try linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae |
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| 01:04.04 | makoto | grrr... |
| 01:04.08 | redwarriors25_ | gud am |
| 01:04.12 | redwarriors25_ | any1 here |
| 01:04.13 | makoto | throws a SPARC at debian-installer |
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| 01:04.33 | makoto | i can't seem to get past this retreiving file 1 of 1 error |
| 01:04.35 | short_circuit | ugh... n/m Apt is telling me all are impossible situations due to unmet dependencies |
| 01:04.51 | redwarriors25_ | guys what seems to be the problem here im using debian 5 lenny http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l188/jekbong/error.png |
| 01:04.56 | jeep | short_circuit, sounds broke |
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| 01:05.56 | short_circuit | yep yep |
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| 01:06.38 | redwarriors25_ | guys what seems to be the problem here im using debian 5 lenny http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l188/jekbong/error.png |
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| 01:08.42 | jeep | redwarriors25_, is that some sort of video player ? |
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| 01:10.58 | sney | redwarriors25_: lenny is EOL and #debian does not support firefox from mozilla.org |
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| 01:13.05 | short_circuit | Yep... broke but good. I'm a little stunned deb released with a kernel that is causing so many so much trouble in severel distros of linux :/ |
| 01:13.48 | short_circuit | I'll wait a couple weeks and try backports again. |
| 01:13.52 | short_circuit | thanks for the help |
| 01:13.52 | sney | 2.6.32 was pretty solid in february of 2011 when Squeeze was released. most of the problems developed later on with hardware that was released after that |
| 01:14.12 | short_circuit | all my hardware is unchanged from 2011 |
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| 01:14.27 | short_circuit | I got the problem the instant I upgraded from 5.0 to 6.0 |
| 01:14.31 | short_circuit | On all rigs |
| 01:14.56 | short_circuit | I've just kinda been living with it. |
| 01:15.18 | jeep | short_circuit, just to mention its very possible to run your own kernel |
| 01:16.05 | redwarriors25_ | yes it plays by a local web server using debian 5 lenny |
| 01:16.13 | short_circuit | I know. Like I said.. I have built kernels in the past. But compiling one just for this netbook.... well... I guess I could build one for this netbook on my quadcore and then install it here |
| 01:16.57 | jeep | redwarriors25_, the server side is fine the client side is having a issue i would guess |
| 01:17.10 | short_circuit | Used to spend alot of time on kernel.org |
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| 01:19.26 | jeep | short_circuit, ive almost always needed my own for one reason or another |
| 01:20.08 | simonlnu | redwarriors25_: you should seriously consider upgrading that lenny to squeeze. right now, lenny isn't getting security updates. |
| 01:20.32 | simonlnu | (since it was EOLed...) |
| 01:20.38 | redwarriors25_ | yes sir jeep the client side cant view movie |
| 01:21.11 | simonlnu | dpkg: tell redwarriors25_ about lenny->squeeze |
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| 01:21.37 | redwarriors25_ | @simonlu but i think its hard sir since the local setup of that web server is in lenny |
| 01:21.58 | jeep | redwarriors25_, is that lenny box yours ? or its like a schools |
| 01:22.02 | simonlnu | depends on your skill level |
| 01:22.34 | redwarriors25_ | hehe im just a noobie about now in linux,its in our office sir jeep |
| 01:22.55 | jeep | redwarriors25_, so the server is someone elses ? |
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| 01:23.13 | redwarriors25_ | yes its from office |
| 01:23.25 | simonlnu | if you know how to edit files on a unix box it should be easy enough to follow the instructions the dpkg bot told you |
| 01:24.07 | jeep | redwarriors25_, what OS is your desktop ? you have yahoo toolbar so i guess windows |
| 01:24.12 | simonlnu | nano is a newbie friendly editor |
| 01:24.18 | redwarriors25_ | thats the big problem :D im just a first timer handling linux system since the last it personnel didnot turn over properly |
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| 01:24.36 | simonlnu | oh shoot.. |
| 01:24.46 | simonlnu | dpkg: tell redwarriors25_ about grounding |
| 01:24.57 | simonlnu | that should help |
| 01:25.03 | redwarriors25_ | ryt now im using windows the one accessing the videos are in windows also |
| 01:25.10 | redwarriors25_ | :D |
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| 01:25.45 | redwarriors25_ | what should help? |
| 01:26.17 | simonlnu | what the bot told you. it'll be in another window |
| 01:26.18 | jeep | redwarriors25_, you should email the admin and tell him his old server vulnerable to exploits |
| 01:26.51 | jeep | redwarriors25_, give him the directions simonlnu had dpkg give you |
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| 01:28.03 | simonlnu | is running his own updates ATM ;) |
| 01:28.16 | redwarriors25_ | im sorry im a noobie in this chat |
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| 01:28.32 | redwarriors25_ | is the one u telling dpkg? |
| 01:28.44 | simonlnu | you're in the web chat... it should show something like "dpkg" in a tab at the top |
| 01:28.52 | short_circuit | Off to watch some dragonballz. thanks again :) |
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| 01:29.05 | redwarriors25_ | oh ic thanx :D |
| 01:29.10 | redwarriors25_ | sorry for that |
| 01:29.14 | simonlnu | np |
| 01:29.51 | simonlnu | you might want to C&P that to notepad or something |
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| 01:30.07 | simonlnu | all the <word> stuff is things you can ask the bot here |
| 01:30.13 | redwarriors25_ | sir simon i think the webserver lenny cant access internet because the ip of that is static |
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| 01:30.54 | simonlnu | well, static or not, a single homed host has a gateway machine, the router in front of it |
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| 01:31.15 | simonlnu | i'm guessing the network isnt coming up properly |
| 01:31.20 | simonlnu | isn't* |
| 01:31.42 | simonlnu | and simonlnu or simon is fine, BTW, no need for sir/ma'am here :) |
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| 01:32.28 | redwarriors25_ | :D the webserver has one lan port and upon checking to the ifconfig it is static ip |
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| 01:33.43 | simonlnu | what's the ip? you might want to pastebin the info |
| 01:33.51 | simonlnu | !pastebin |
| 01:33.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 01:36.04 | simonlnu | also, can you ping, say, google.com ? |
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| 01:37.07 | redwarriors25_ | nope cant |
| 01:37.18 | simonlnu | 100% packet loss? |
| 01:37.36 | redwarriors25_ | unknown host |
| 01:37.47 | redwarriors25_ | heres the setup of ifconfig auto eth7 iface eth7 inet static address 192.168.0.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.0.0 broadcast 192.168.0.255 gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 01:38.07 | simonlnu | could you include the result of 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' too? |
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| 01:38.22 | simonlnu | ah ok. not an internet reachable ip |
| 01:38.38 | redwarriors25_ | ### BEGIN INFO # # Modified_by: NetworkManager # Process: /usr/bin/NetworkManager # Process_id: 2436 # ### END INFO |
| 01:38.58 | simonlnu | networkmanager? eek |
| 01:39.12 | simonlnu | that might be part of the issue here... |
| 01:39.28 | redwarriors25_ | the result of 'cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:39.47 | simonlnu | well, that's the other problem, no working dns ;) |
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| 01:40.48 | simonlnu | try editing that so it reads "nameserver 192.168.0.1\nnameserver 8.8.8.8" \n is a newline i.e. press enter there |
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| 01:41.29 | redwarriors25_ | also heres in the top of nano/etc/interfaces a while the one i post |
| 01:41.31 | redwarriors25_ | # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface #allow-hotplug eth0 # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed # dns-nameservers 202.78.97.41 202.78.97.35 # dns-search kaplaninc.com |
| 01:41.51 | simonlnu | ah ok |
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| 01:42.41 | simonlnu | so instead of those two i gave you, put those dns-nameservers ones there in resolv.conf. but before you do that, i'd remove networkmanager |
| 01:42.44 | redwarriors25_ | so what do you think is the problem of the that i post of the picture |
| 01:43.02 | simonlnu | and maybe resolvconf... |
| 01:44.02 | redwarriors25_ | in here cat /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 01:44.27 | simonlnu | no, you'd do 'nano /etc/resolv.conf' |
| 01:44.42 | simonlnu | but wait. do you know how to remove packages? |
| 01:44.50 | redwarriors25_ | nope :D |
| 01:45.14 | redwarriors25_ | but this help resolv the internet?or the error picture ive post a while ago |
| 01:45.45 | simonlnu | ok, here's an example: apt-get --purge remove resolvconf ; what that does is remove that package, and clear out any config files it has |
| 01:46.24 | redwarriors25_ | it will clear also the ip setup? |
| 01:46.46 | simonlnu | well, something's broken there. we're stripping layers out to simplify it and getting working at a lower level |
| 01:46.59 | simonlnu | getting it* |
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| 01:48.36 | simonlnu | n-m versions in lenny were rather iffy |
| 01:49.03 | redwarriors25_ | do u think it can help the problem of this http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l188/jekbong/error.png |
| 01:50.00 | simonlnu | it'll help, yes. but we're not there yet ;) |
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| 01:50.53 | redwarriors25_ | :D |
| 01:51.04 | simonlnu | redwarriors25_: do 'dpkg -l 'network-manager*' -- if you see any that have ii in front, do 'apt-get --purge remove name-here' for each one |
| 01:51.09 | redwarriors25_ | but now sir the server is running and using by the client |
| 01:51.32 | simonlnu | so, name-here is where you'd put the name of the installed package (the ones with ii) |
| 01:51.41 | simonlnu | yes, and? |
| 01:52.12 | redwarriors25_ | theres no network-manager in dpkg -l |
| 01:52.21 | simonlnu | i missed a single quote with the dpkg command.. but it's ok |
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| 01:52.56 | simonlnu | did you type dpkg -l 'network-manager*' ? |
| 01:53.28 | simonlnu | might want to do dpkg -l 'network*manager*' (just in case of a package name change) |
| 01:53.51 | jeep | simonlnu, sir simon has a nice ring to it .. prestigious ! |
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| 01:54.19 | simonlnu | hehe.. i don't like it ;) |
| 01:54.24 | redwarriors25_ | heres appear |
| 01:54.28 | redwarriors25_ | Medlin:~# dpkg -l 'network-manager*' Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii network-manage 0.6.6-3 network management framework dae |
| 01:54.35 | simonlnu | we don't have knights in my culture ;) |
| 01:54.59 | simonlnu | er, yeh, pastebin that next time |
| 01:55.21 | simonlnu | it is installed. remove it like i showed you |
| 01:55.25 | squisher | evening, I'm having some fun with gpt -- I fixed the partition table with parted, and I installed a new protective mbr with gdisk, and now the linux kernel fails to detect the partition table at. gdisk can still read it, while parted fails. |
| 01:55.56 | squisher | anyone have a clue? I'm pretty lost at this point |
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| 01:56.09 | redwarriors25_ | huhu im scared sir ryt now the server is using |
| 01:56.35 | simonlnu | the network isn't even up, and it's only going to improve things |
| 01:57.15 | simonlnu | squisher: i don't, sorry |
| 01:57.37 | squisher | simonlnu: :-\ thanks anyway |
| 01:57.46 | simonlnu | stick around |
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| 01:58.11 | simonlnu | someone's bound to come back to the chan ;p |
| 01:58.30 | redwarriors25_ | :D |
| 01:59.19 | redwarriors25_ | btw also sir the client using smthing it can set to local feeding of videos and direct feeding of videos |
| 01:59.30 | jeep | squisher, you changed the partition table i guess ? paste bin fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 01:59.42 | squisher | jeep: gpt, fdisk can't handle that |
| 02:00.40 | simonlnu | that's higher up. you need to get the lower levels working again before you even start thinking of application level stuff |
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| 02:01.33 | simonlnu | redwarriors25_: ok, so did you remove network-manager ? |
| 02:01.40 | simonlnu | and resolvconf too? |
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| 02:03.05 | squisher | jeep, see for example http://paste.debian.net/189461 |
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| 02:03.35 | essial | man why does linux have so much hate. I got almost every problem except one solved in Arch and when I asked a question their response was literally "f@#k off" |
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| 02:03.47 | simonlnu | redwarriors25_: you need to do these things so we can move further along... |
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| 02:04.39 | simonlnu | essial: i don't know, and you might want to go vent in #debian-offtopic instead. this is purely a support channel |
| 02:05.57 | essial | exactly.. :p but ok |
| 02:06.11 | simonlnu | thanks |
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| 02:06.38 | jeep | squisher, i would assume the / changed but i never used gpt |
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| 02:08.50 | squisher | jeep, not sure what you're referring to with / in this context, but thanks for trying to help :-) |
| 02:09.08 | simonlnu | rootfs, the fs at / |
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| 02:10.16 | redwarriors25_ | not et may i ask if will interrupt from client to access those videos? |
| 02:10.50 | simonlnu | no. |
| 02:11.29 | simonlnu | installing software in debian doesn't require a reboot, except updating the kernel. |
| 02:11.49 | simonlnu | and that goes for many if not all linux and bsd distros |
| 02:11.55 | redwarriors25_ | ah ok so heres the commands il use apt-get --purge remove resolvconf |
| 02:12.22 | simonlnu | do apt-get --purge remove resolvconf network-manager ; doing both at once |
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| 02:13.18 | redwarriors25_ | error -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
| 02:13.35 | simonlnu | heh, leave off the 'do' ;) |
| 02:14.01 | simonlnu | do is a bash built-in command |
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| 02:15.35 | redwarriors25_ | already removed sir |
| 02:16.02 | simonlnu | what is? |
| 02:16.27 | redwarriors25_ | ? |
| 02:16.36 | simonlnu | what's already removed? |
| 02:16.48 | redwarriors25_ | both |
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| 02:17.07 | redwarriors25_ | Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package resolvconf is not installed, so not removed The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: lp-solve openoffice.org-impress openoffice.org-filter-mobiledev openoffice.org-draw libgfortran3 openoffice.org-report-builder-bin libsuitesparse-3.1.0 ttf-liberation openoffice.org-math libblas3gf ope |
| 02:17.13 | simonlnu | scratches his head |
| 02:17.36 | simonlnu | witf did that previous admin do? |
| 02:17.47 | simonlnu | sighs |
| 02:17.48 | redwarriors25_ | dnt know sir |
| 02:18.19 | redwarriors25_ | that the message ive post above is the result upon purging commands |
| 02:19.11 | redwarriors25_ | so whats next sir |
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| 02:19.54 | simonlnu | redwarriors25_: anyway, so let's move on. open up resolv.conf now and put in the contents of the pastebin here: http://paste.debian.net/189463 -- that'll use the data resolvconf had, you pasted in here before |
| 02:20.42 | simonlnu | the line with a # in front is a comment. it won't get read |
| 02:20.55 | simonlnu | well, used, anyway |
| 02:21.41 | redwarriors25_ | so il copy the one you post in resolv.conf is that correct |
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| 02:22.49 | simonlnu | that was the intent yes |
| 02:24.32 | simonlnu | then, once you've saved that (make sure it's "/etc/resolv.conf" ;), you can try pinging www.google.com again |
| 02:25.00 | simonlnu | it might be just a dns issue, and not also an interface issue |
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| 02:34.46 | hipodilski | hi I have very weird problem |
| 02:35.10 | hipodilski | one sub-directory php scripts are not being interpreted |
| 02:35.15 | hipodilski | anyone had some similar issue? |
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| 02:39.42 | mortal1 | hey guys, I have a shutdown script that goes apt-get update; apt-get upgrade --yes ; poweroff, today I got a notice that I certain packages were being 'held back' what does that mean? Did my shutdown script mess something up? |
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| 02:49.35 | redwarriors25_ | sir simon |
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| 02:52.59 | squisher | mortal1: held back means they cannot be installed because they have new packages as dependencies |
| 02:53.11 | squisher | you'll get those (usually) with an apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 02:54.29 | redwarriors25_ | sir simon how can i edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:59.16 | squisher | redwarriors25_: with your favorite editor, like vi or pico |
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| 03:04.38 | redwarriors25_ | sir simon how can i edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:05.18 | squisher | redwarriors25_: with your favorite editor, like vi or pico |
| 03:05.33 | squisher | you can also 'ping 8.8.8.8' to see if the net is up without dns |
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| 03:10.56 | redwarriors25_ | simon |
| 03:11.01 | redwarriors25_ | u there huhu |
| 03:11.30 | fire_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.33 | squisher | shakes his head |
| 03:11.45 | squisher | fire_: rough guess, from their vcs? |
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| 03:12.22 | fire_ | squisher: vcs ? searched on gnome site, but i was not able to find it. |
| 03:12.36 | squisher | fire_: version control system, like git or subversion |
| 03:13.00 | fire_ | squisher: i searched through but can't find it though. |
| 03:13.23 | squisher | sorry, that's way off topic -- use google, or a gnome channel |
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| 03:17.28 | lisporu | cam someone post his /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:20.18 | lisporu | I just got net and want to add some mirrors in sources.list |
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| 03:29.46 | squisher | lisporu: more mirrors? what exactly do you mean? mirrors are listed at debian.org |
| 03:30.09 | redwarriors25_ | squisher |
| 03:30.18 | redwarriors25_ | is simon there |
| 03:31.02 | squisher | redwarriors25_: you are really not very familiar with irc, are you? If he doesn't answer you, then he is not here. I tried to give you some little hints, but you did not even respond to that |
| 03:31.07 | squisher | there's nothing more that I can do |
| 03:31.23 | redwarriors25_ | sorry for that im just a noob |
| 03:31.32 | squisher | that's fine |
| 03:31.48 | redwarriors25_ | thanks |
| 03:31.55 | redwarriors25_ | soon ill be familiar :D |
| 03:31.56 | squisher | but you asked about how to edit resolv.conf, I answered that question for you: just use a text editor like vi or pico |
| 03:32.43 | redwarriors25_ | yup |
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| 03:32.59 | redwarriors25_ | ryt now its already pinging |
| 03:33.17 | lisporu | squisher: my sources.list contains only CD-ROMs. I just got net connection and want to remove CD-ROMs and add HTTP repos there |
| 03:33.18 | redwarriors25_ | there we stop the conversation |
| 03:33.39 | squisher | lisporu: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 03:35.46 | squisher | lisporu: e.g. deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:36.23 | squisher | redwarriors25_: I didn't follow the whole conversation, sorry. Read again what simon suggested about resolv.conf |
| 03:37.02 | redwarriors25_ | ok |
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| 03:59.34 | roy__ | Any idea why i cant read hotmail, clicking inbox won't do anything doesnt matter which browser |
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| 04:09.58 | grothendieck | roy__: no idea |
| 04:10.06 | Bradford | LOL |
| 04:11.17 | Bradford | hola |
| 04:11.24 | grothendieck | hi |
| 04:11.44 | Bradford | grothendieck: FUCK YEAH |
| 04:11.57 | aidalgol | How do I find out what bugs are keeping a package in experimental from going into sid? |
| 04:12.03 | grothendieck | Bradford: indeed! |
| 04:12.22 | Bradford | grothendieck: hablame español |
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| 04:12.53 | Bradford | <grothendieck> roy__: no idea |
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| 04:14.11 | grothendieck | aidalgol: what is the package? |
| 04:14.23 | aidalgol | grothendieck: iceweasel |
| 04:14.29 | cc11rocks | Less than 5% of my patches have been rejected or accepted, nor have I received any feedback from them. Is there a way to get these moving? They are all recent, minor fixes... |
| 04:14.47 | grothendieck | cc11rocks: ask on #debian-mentors? |
| 04:14.53 | roy__ | grothendieck: its weird |
| 04:15.03 | cc11rocks | grothendieck: Will do, thanks |
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| 04:15.47 | roy__ | grothendieck: only on my laptop (which has debian installed) i have this problem |
| 04:15.48 | cc11rocks | "Topic: This channel is no longer officially on freenode and has been forwarded to an 'about' channel (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#termination). Please part and rejoin. Thanks." |
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| 04:16.39 | Na_Klar | how come hwclock and date put out different results? TZ is Europe/Dublin (GMT0 w/o DST). |
| 04:16.58 | grothendieck | aidalgol: aidalgol this is my guess http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=674908 |
| 04:17.05 | cc11rocks | That was for the #debian-mentor channel. I'm not trying to spam etc this channel. The status of this channel has not been changed, nor have I attempted to change the topic, hack it, or anything of the sort.. |
| 04:18.12 | aidalgol | grothendieck: I also just noticed the "Bug Reports" link on the package page. :P |
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| 04:18.38 | grothendieck | tell cc11rocks about mentors |
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| 04:20.05 | grothendieck | !tell cc11rocks about mentors |
| 04:20.09 | grothendieck | bah |
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| 04:20.21 | grothendieck | it's on irc.debian.org not freenode |
| 04:23.06 | cc11rocks | Thanks |
| 04:23.20 | grothendieck | np |
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| 04:31.03 | cc11rocks | grothendieck: That channel is for people that MAKE packages... Just a heads-up for next time... |
| 04:31.04 | blackshirt | is it possible to limit samba just allowed some type of files ? |
| 04:31.28 | cc11rocks | twb said "You realize this channel is for people *making* debian packages, right?" to me after I asked the channel... |
| 04:31.51 | cc11rocks | grothendieck: Thanks for trying to point me in the right direction though :) |
| 04:31.51 | blackshirt | is it possible to limit samba just allowed some type of files ? |
| 04:32.00 | grothendieck | cc11rocks: oh hm sorry about that |
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| 04:32.20 | blackshirt | or somebody can point me to the right direction |
| 04:32.21 | blackshirt | ? |
| 04:32.23 | cc11rocks | grothendieck: No problem. I'm just letting you know for the next time :) |
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| 04:33.01 | grothendieck | try #debian on irc.debian.org |
| 04:33.07 | grothendieck | it's the official channel |
| 04:33.26 | blahdeblah | Hi. What is the name of the package which provides the keyboard driver under X11 in wheezy? My machine crashed in the middle of an update and i no longer get keyboard access after X starts. |
| 04:33.54 | aidalgol | If it crashed in the middle of an update, I'd revert to a backup and start the update over. |
| 04:34.40 | blahdeblah | Everything else is functional. I'd really rather not restore the whole machine from backup for that. |
| 04:35.10 | cc11rocks | grothendieck: A dude on there helped me (twb). Thank you :) |
| 04:35.19 | cc11rocks | On the -mentor channel |
| 04:35.27 | cc11rocks | *mentors |
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| 04:38.01 | bolt | blackshirt: you only want to see certain kinds of files on your shares? why? |
| 04:39.22 | bolt | blahdeblah, grothendieck: apt-get should continue where it left off. no need for backups to do that. apt-get -f install might get it going? |
| 04:39.56 | blahdeblah | bolt: I did that, and also successfully ran an apt-get dist-upgrade, but the keyboard is still broken |
| 04:40.03 | blahdeblah | This sounds like a similar problem: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=64927 |
| 04:40.18 | blahdeblah | But it's pretty old, and mine was already working on newer udev versions than they had |
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| 04:41.55 | bolt | blahdeblah: have you tried re-installing the previous version of whatever you upgraded? |
| 04:42.34 | blahdeblah | I was hoping not to have to go through every package on the list... ;-) |
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| 04:42.53 | blahdeblah | It was in the middle of my weekly wheezy upgrade which usually is about 100 MB at the moment |
| 04:43.50 | blahdeblah | I'm just looking at /var/log/dpkg.log now |
| 04:44.12 | blahdeblah | I don't know a lot about this side of things, but hal seems a likely candidate, no? |
| 04:44.58 | bolt | blahdeblah: could be. that and any driver packages, maybe a kernel upgrade, or anything related to usb (assuming your keyboard is usb) |
| 04:45.17 | blahdeblah | I can't see any kernel packages in the log |
| 04:45.28 | blahdeblah | My keyboard is built-in on my laptop |
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| 04:47.16 | bolt | blahdeblah: you could also try looking at Xorg.0.log. see what it says about keyboards |
| 04:47.33 | bolt | brb - food cooking :D |
| 04:47.53 | blahdeblah | bolt: "Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD" is the only entry. |
| 04:49.46 | squisher | blahdeblah: maybe the following Xorg.0.log line is interesting for you: [ 50.871] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so |
| 04:50.00 | blahdeblah | looks |
| 04:50.16 | squisher | that's xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 04:50.21 | blahdeblah | Doesn't appear in my Xorg.log |
| 04:50.31 | blahdeblah | checks for that package |
| 04:50.37 | squisher | do a --reinstall |
| 04:50.54 | blahdeblah | under way already |
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| 04:52.35 | unferth | so it is actually possible to install debian to a bootable usb stick? |
| 04:52.54 | blahdeblah | unferth: definitely. I use unetbootin to do that |
| 04:53.14 | blahdeblah | You can put any bootable ISO on a USB stick with unetbootin |
| 04:53.18 | unferth | oh man, for some reason i thought it wouldn't work. |
| 04:53.39 | unferth | ooh, right, it would have to be a live version right |
| 04:53.43 | blahdeblah | no |
| 04:53.51 | blahdeblah | I use install disks that way |
| 04:54.11 | blahdeblah | There may be other ways as well, but i like unetbootin because i can stick any old ISO on there. |
| 04:54.35 | blahdeblah | squisher: No joy with evdev reinstall :-( |
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| 04:54.56 | blahdeblah | Still doesn't appear in Xorg.0.log |
| 04:54.58 | unferth | hrm |
| 04:55.16 | squisher | blahdeblah: move your Xorg.conf out of the way to try the auto detection? |
| 04:55.28 | blahdeblah | There's no /etc/X11/xorg.conf at all |
| 04:55.35 | unferth | but i can't just put any ISO on there, it has to be bootable. |
| 04:55.41 | squisher | not _all_ isos work with unetbootin btw, but the vast majority does |
| 04:55.45 | unferth | like a live cd i would think |
| 04:55.56 | blahdeblah | unferth: yes, must be a bootable ISO |
| 04:56.07 | unferth | i mean, gah |
| 04:56.09 | blahdeblah | I haven't found any Linux distro that won't work that way |
| 04:56.12 | squisher | unferth: why would you want to use a non-bootable iso that way? Just copy the files :D |
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| 04:56.40 | blahdeblah | I've done it with Debian, CentOS, Ubuntu and they've all worked off the unetbootin stick |
| 04:56.44 | squisher | blahdeblah: my guess would be that it's udev related then -- but what exactly I don't know |
| 04:56.45 | unferth | i mean, if it's not a live cd ISO, w |
| 04:57.00 | blahdeblah | unferth: I repeat: it does not need to be a live CD |
| 04:57.04 | unferth | i've installed _from_ a usb drive |
| 04:57.25 | blahdeblah | So you want a bootable USB that is a fully functional system? Then a live CD would be your best bet. |
| 04:57.33 | unferth | i don't understand how putting a debian ISO on a usb stick causes it to |
| 04:57.39 | unferth | yes, that is what i was asking. |
| 04:57.50 | unferth | not how to install _from_ a usb, but _to_ one. |
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| 04:58.04 | blahdeblah | OK |
| 04:58.07 | blahdeblah | Makes more sense now |
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| 04:58.22 | unferth | so, i ask again, has anyone here done that? |
| 04:58.25 | bolt | http://wiki.debian.org/InstallToUsbMemoryStick |
| 04:58.28 | bolt | google, first page |
| 04:58.31 | unferth | with debian |
| 04:58.32 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 04:58.33 | bolt | lots faster than askin ehre :) |
| 04:58.45 | unferth | meh |
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| 04:58.57 | unferth | i've done research on it. i guess i just misread somebody's post. |
| 04:59.06 | jeep | google beats irc like a red headed step child 98% of the time |
| 04:59.42 | unferth | um |
| 04:59.47 | squisher | jeep, google doesn't sleep, people do |
| 04:59.49 | cardamon | Anyone heard of Pencil? http://pencil.evolus.vn/ It's not in the repos and they're not supporting/updating their build from source, so I don't feel like infesting time there...but it does meet a need I have for something I can draw mockups in and link them to others. |
| 04:59.51 | squisher | that's the main difference imho |
| 04:59.56 | unferth | gee, i've never heard that before |
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| 05:00.14 | cardamon | I'm looking for something for UI design prototyping that might be in the repos. |
| 05:00.40 | blahdeblah | tries downgrading udev to the pre-wheezy version - not expecting anything great to happen here... |
| 05:00.54 | squisher | blahdeblah: you did read the release notes, right? |
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| 05:01.09 | squisher | there's some special stuff you need to do for udev / kernel _prior_ to upgrading |
| 05:01.33 | blahdeblah | Before i installed wheezy, yes; i didn't read them before my upgrade this week. |
| 05:01.47 | blahdeblah | The machine was installed about a month ago and was working fine until Monday |
| 05:01.50 | hendrikz | wheezyyyy |
| 05:03.02 | unferth | great, just as i thought, the link is completely useless |
| 05:03.35 | unferth | "this may work" |
| 05:03.49 | squisher | unferth: afaik that depends on the hardware |
| 05:04.01 | squisher | motherboard / usb stick combination |
| 05:04.27 | redwarriors25_ | how to get updates in debian lenny |
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| 05:04.43 | squisher | redwarriors25_: look for the archive |
| 05:05.07 | squisher | that implies there are no updates, but it helps if you need to install missing packages |
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| 05:05.17 | blahdeblah | nice; i can't mount /boot because ext3 is not a recognised filesystem |
| 05:05.21 | blahdeblah | I wonder how that happened... |
| 05:05.28 | unferth | well, it doesn't look like it's a supported feature, so i'll hold off |
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| 05:07.11 | squisher | unferth: what's your reason for doing it in the first place? |
| 05:07.18 | unferth | i don't see why i can't just install to a usb stick. when i choose an installation destination |
| 05:07.39 | unferth | i have an Eee with only a 4 gig HDD. if i put debian on my 8 gig it'd give me a lot more wiggle room |
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| 05:07.49 | unferth | 8 gig usb stick* |
| 05:08.02 | blahdeblah | unferth: I'm pretty sure you can do it, but to my knowledge there isn't a boot loader that will boot off USB natively yet. |
| 05:08.55 | unferth | ah, i see |
| 05:09.27 | blahdeblah | I could be wrong - not an expert in this area |
| 05:09.50 | unferth | yeah, all i know is it's not easy. and why else would i use debian? :P |
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| 05:10.03 | blahdeblah | Can anyone tell me how to get ext3 into the list of supported filesystems in /proc/filesystems? I can't mount /boot because of it. |
| 05:10.06 | blahdeblah | modprobe ext3 doesn't fix |
| 05:10.07 | jeep | unferth, you could use a livecd.. and partititon the usb stick so you have /home |
| 05:10.09 | unferth | well, i mean, of course there's other reasons |
| 05:10.26 | jeep | unferth, just have to manual mount it |
| 05:10.55 | jeep | blahdeblah, did you build your own kernel or ? |
| 05:11.06 | blahdeblah | jeep: no, just linux-image |
| 05:11.12 | unferth | you mean, boot a livecd from the usb stick? |
| 05:11.15 | blahdeblah | manually mounting /boot fails as well |
| 05:11.19 | unferth | or just use the stick for /home |
| 05:12.31 | jeep | unferth, partition your usb stick 2gig and 6gig install the live cd to the 2 gig partition .. then use the 6gig partititon for /home |
| 05:13.05 | unferth | it's that simple? |
| 05:13.33 | unferth | i should try it.. i've cleared everything off my usb |
| 05:13.33 | jeep | unferth, after it boots you will need to manually mount it .. but yeah |
| 05:13.51 | unferth | but, i could just write a script or something for that, right |
| 05:14.14 | jeep | unferth, the 2gig may be able to be smaller .. i dont remebr how much room a live cd needs maybe only 1 gig |
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| 05:14.48 | jeep | unferth, yeah save a little script to that /home partition to run would work fine |
| 05:15.02 | unferth | and.. now that i'm thinking about it, isn't there some sort of drawback to using a livecd? |
| 05:15.12 | jeep | unferth, its slow |
| 05:15.36 | jeep | unferth, usb stick is slower than dual boot |
| 05:15.43 | blahdeblah | And you can't install packages and have them stick |
| 05:15.50 | unferth | oh. that wouldn't work then, it's slow enough :) i didn't know dual booting slowed down anything? |
| 05:15.58 | unferth | yeah, that's what i thought. that's a no go |
| 05:16.16 | jeep | dual boot is fast/normal speed runnign from a usb stick is slow |
| 05:16.42 | unferth | ah, i guess i'll just wait then |
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| 05:16.53 | unferth | probably just get a better computer |
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| 05:17.13 | unferth | my dream is to turn this thing into a tablet, because the keyboard already went out |
| 05:18.53 | jeep | unferth, you can get dumpster boxes with same specs as that eeepc probably |
| 05:19.11 | jeep | unferth, just to have soemthing to play/learn on |
| 05:19.56 | unferth | i still use it |
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| 05:20.41 | unferth | it's all i have |
| 05:20.50 | unferth | i mean, i have a junky celeron box, but yech |
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| 05:23.17 | blahdeblah | gah |
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| 05:24.10 | blahdeblah | "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext3'" :-( |
| 05:24.26 | blahdeblah | How did i ever manage that? :-\ |
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| 05:25.20 | squisher | blahdeblah: seems like there is more wrong with your system than you thought -- if you do have a backup, then I'd use it if I was you |
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| 05:25.51 | blahdeblah | is sure there isn't *that* much broken ;-) |
| 05:26.15 | squisher | ah, so no backup then :P |
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| 05:27.25 | blahdeblah | No, i just don't want to go through the pain of copying over 320 GB of crap from my old laptop again. |
| 05:27.40 | blahdeblah | I might try booting a previous kernel |
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| 05:27.51 | squisher | reinstall the kernel package and reboot |
| 05:28.38 | blahdeblah | Can't reinstall the kernel because it can't mount /boot to put files in it! |
| 05:28.45 | blahdeblah | Nice catch-22, huh? :-) |
| 05:30.01 | squisher | blahdeblah: depending on your setup/boot loader you can get away with temporarily throwing /boot out of fstab and just install the kernel & grub into the root partition |
| 05:30.09 | squisher | btw, what fs is your root partition? |
| 05:30.14 | blahdeblah | btrfs |
| 05:30.27 | blahdeblah | I managed to boot previous kernel and /boot seems to be mounted |
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| 05:33.50 | jeep | tada |
| 05:34.29 | jeep | blahdeblah, ive forgot alot of things building kernels but i dont think i ever forgot the files system support |
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| 05:34.51 | blahdeblah | Must be a bug in the linux-image |
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| 05:36.23 | blahdeblah | Or bad install - trying reinstall now |
| 05:37.23 | jeep | blahdeblah, did you compile it ? |
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| 05:40.13 | blahdeblah | no |
| 05:40.24 | blahdeblah | I haven't compiled a kernel for 12 years or so |
| 05:41.00 | blahdeblah | I just reinstalled linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 and it appears to have mounted /boot |
| 05:41.38 | blahdeblah | yay! \o/ |
| 05:41.44 | blahdeblah | Keyboard working in X now, too. |
| 05:42.02 | blahdeblah | thanks for the help, jeep, squisher, and bolt |
| 05:42.37 | squisher | heh, yw, I hope not too much else is b0rked ;-) |
| 05:44.10 | maik | anyone know of a way to get YouTube videos to remain fullscreen even when it loses focus? using Gnome and Chromium. not really a debian-specific question |
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| 05:44.54 | maik | hmm, these are flash, maybe it's a flash thing |
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| 05:46.17 | AlcariTheMad | maik: i was annoyed by the same issue with flash on win7 in firefox just yesterday; it's a flash thing |
| 05:47.15 | maik | that's frustratingly reasonable :/ |
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| 05:48.59 | maik | http://forums.adobe.com/message/4592293 describes it as a security thing |
| 05:49.08 | maik | i describe it as lame |
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| 05:51.16 | maik | ooh, perhaps this http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=140366 |
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| 05:56.01 | grothendieck | using debian+apache2 webserver, the permissions root:root on /srv/www are correct yeah? |
| 05:56.29 | grothendieck | I assume it is correct because it is the default.. |
| 05:56.57 | grothendieck | but on other systems (e.g. CentOS + cPanel/Apache/PHP) it is completely different...public_html is user:nobody |
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| 05:57.16 | grothendieck | and apache docroot is /home/user |
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| 05:58.23 | grothendieck | so how is it that apache on CentOS/cPanel serving HTML as user:nobody and apache on Debian as root:root are both (presumably) secure? |
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| 05:58.51 | grothendieck | does...not...compute |
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| 06:00.05 | grothendieck | eh wahtever, I'd rather go experience paralysis and hallucinate vividly for a few hours than thnk about this right now |
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| 06:02.08 | jeep | grothendieck, perhaps a chroot ? |
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| 06:03.21 | hotwings | is it possible to create a .deb using checkinstall, but _not_ be required to press enter to continue (ie: the `enter number to change or press ENTER to continue` prompt) ?? |
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| 06:07.37 | nsadmin | hotwings, why would it ask that? |
| 06:08.37 | squisher | nsadmin: it asks that when you create a package so that you can customize it |
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| 06:10.02 | hotwings | nsadmin - i guess to make sure the deb info is populated to your liking? i dunno |
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| 06:10.59 | squisher | hotwings: look for cli options or pipe it your selections |
| 06:12.06 | nsadmin | this asking happens when exactly? and what package? |
| 06:12.16 | hotwings | squisher - i already do that.. |
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| 06:13.18 | hotwings | any package, doesnt matter. my question is can debs be created using checkinstall _without_ requiring user input.. or are you forced to at least press enter (as seen in http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/checkinstall/images/1.gif for example) |
| 06:13.30 | hotwings | and if you can avoid that prompt, how ?! |
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| 06:15.09 | nsadmin | unless you say more about your specific situation, I can't help you |
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| 06:16.10 | nsadmin | when I build packages, I don't use checkinstall and the install is not interactive |
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| 06:16.16 | squisher | hotwings: that question is about checkinstall specifically - ask on a ML or something like that |
| 06:16.25 | hotwings | more specific than asking if debs can be created using checkinstall without prompting the user?... thats as simple as it gets |
| 06:16.28 | squisher | you're more likely to get help there |
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| 06:16.53 | squisher | or maybe explain _why_ you want that; what you want to achieve |
| 06:17.02 | hotwings | squisher - right.. i was hoping i wouldnt have to bother doing all that |
| 06:17.08 | hotwings | signing up for a ml that is |
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| 06:17.48 | squisher | there may be other ways to package what you need, but without explaining more noone can help |
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| 06:18.22 | hotwings | explain why i dont want to be prompted? because its an inconvenient waste when im already providing all the deb info. what do i want to achieve?......not wasting time on a useless step that prevents me from automating deb creation |
| 06:19.04 | _strog | hello people, i have installed apache on my system and wanted add vsftpd with it. now i have configured the vsftpd to allow registerd users to log into the ftp-server. problem only is that i cannot upload webcontent onto /var/www/ . Now the access rights is all pointed out to root, how can i bend it safely to allow users to upload web content? |
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| 06:19.30 | hotwings | my question is very simple, it makes no sense to complicate it with irrelevent details |
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| 06:21.15 | nsadmin | hotwings, give us a specific example of when this happens. when you're building/ when you're installing? backporting doesn't require checkinstall. |
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| 06:22.19 | nsadmin | if you want to backport an existing package and you're using checkinstall, you're doing something wrong |
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| 06:23.22 | hotwings | nsadmin - it happens whenever checkinstall is used to create a debian package. |
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| 06:23.51 | nsadmin | so, that's a feature of checkinstall |
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| 06:24.20 | hotwings | download any source -> use checkinstall to build deb -> get prompted, even when all the details have been supplied therefore the prompt itself is useless and prevents fully automated deb creation |
| 06:25.14 | hotwings | therefore, if checkinstall can be made to not bother prompting me, thats what i prefer.. but i havent found a way to do that on my own so im asking if its even possible, and if so, how. |
| 06:28.09 | nsadmin | what happens if you use --default? |
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| 07:16.04 | sonnie | hi, i'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. 'dpkg --audit' reports that perl-modules and libswitch-perl have to be configured. but when running 'dpkg --configure -a', it says: perl-modules depends on perl (>= 5.14.2-1) |
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| 07:28.18 | oggei | hola |
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| 07:33.11 | mitoh | Is there a way to aggregate multiple *.deb packets to one deb packet? Which then can be installed as one of the single packet (dpkg -i)? |
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| 07:44.58 | joltcan | mitoh: not unless you make it yourself |
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| 07:45.50 | joltcan | mitoh: Or as far as I know. I would unpack the relevant packages and create a new one |
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| 07:55.42 | pbase | i am on debian wheezy currently and want to add other timezone clocks in the time area (gtk3). how do i do that? |
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| 08:01.46 | mitoh | joltcan: Thank u for the hint. It leads me to the solution ;) |
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| 08:14.09 | etisfo | Can anyone link me to a tutorial of installing Xen (pictures?)? :) |
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| 08:15.09 | specing | etisfo: lololololol, No. |
| 08:15.56 | etisfo | Spec, ? |
| 08:16.34 | specing | etisfo: read the debian xen docs |
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| 08:16.44 | specing | they are *very* easy to follow |
| 08:17.08 | etisfo | specing, they aren't *very* easy to follow |
| 08:17.36 | specing | they are |
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| 08:17.44 | etisfo | specing, oh, I was looking at Lenny. |
| 08:17.57 | specing | I got the thing installed and running in under 10 mins |
| 08:18.38 | roger_hamilton | etisfo: apt-get install xen |
| 08:18.41 | etisfo | specing, do I need QEMU? |
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| 08:19.46 | specing | etisfo: if you are going to host HVM, yes |
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| 08:20.15 | etisfo | specing, I'm installing Xen + SolusVM to host 3 VPS's for friends |
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| 08:21.02 | specing | etisfo: if they have xen-enabled kernels, you don't need qemu |
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| 08:21.27 | etisfo | specing, all 3 VPS's will be running Squeeze? |
| 08:22.12 | specing | etisfo: I don't know |
| 08:22.27 | specing | if they will |
| 08:22.36 | specing | Will they? |
| 08:22.42 | etisfo | specing, they will be. |
| 08:22.51 | specing | I doubt the default squeeze kernel is xen enabled |
| 08:22.59 | specing | again, follow the docs |
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| 08:26.42 | joltcan | you need linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-686 or so for dom0, for the hosts you don't virtualization support is already available in linux kernel for vms |
| 08:26.51 | ignasr | hello, my root disk UUID changed, where should I update it in grub2? |
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| 08:29.57 | roger_hamilton | etisfo: if you're not tied to Xen, openVZ is quite nice and easy |
| 08:30.31 | etisfo | roger_hamilton, I'm with Xen. :) --- for the network interface, can I use 172.20.0.1 instead of 192.168.1.1? |
| 08:31.06 | joltcan | You can use any subnet you want |
| 08:31.52 | joltcan | etisfo: I have 5 public IP's at home, so I just bridge to my clients and they all have public IP's from dhcp |
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| 08:32.11 | etisfo | joltcan, thanks, just making sure it's not supposed to be 192.168/ |
| 08:32.17 | etisfo | joltcan, this is a OVH dedi :) |
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| 08:36.52 | bool | do debian kernels support gpt tables by default and since when? |
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| 08:41.19 | nsadmin | tables? there are lots of tables in the kernel for a wide variety of purposes |
| 08:41.33 | thewanderer1 | bool: yes, and since Squeeze or earlier (not sure) |
| 08:41.39 | bool | thanks |
| 08:41.59 | nsadmin | what tables do you mean? |
| 08:42.08 | bool | nsadmin: gpt tables |
| 08:42.18 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 08:42.38 | nsadmin | I misread gpt as got |
| 08:42.45 | bool | :p |
| 08:43.11 | bool | support got tables? :p what grammar is that?` |
| 08:43.19 | etisfo | joltcan, I have 3 IP's from OVH, 188.165.225.xx, 188.165.1.xx, 188.165.4.xx; for my br0 interface, what would I do for bridge_ports? bridge_ports eth0? |
| 08:43.34 | nsadmin | you'd be surprised... |
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| 08:43.39 | bool | hehe |
| 08:43.42 | joltcan | bool: Well, you can probably look at gnu parted and check how long they supported it |
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| 08:44.09 | etisfo | joltcan, where eth0 has this, as well as the netmask network broadcast gateway: http://trashb.info/31adc52d |
| 08:44.15 | joltcan | bool: at least 5 year or so I guess |
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| 08:44.33 | bool | joltcan: that doesnt mean debian comes with a kernel with support for gpt table by default |
| 08:44.38 | nsadmin | (and don't use fdisk on those drives) |
| 08:45.23 | bool | going to use gparted |
| 08:45.30 | bool | or parted |
| 08:45.49 | joltcan | bool: I'm pretty sure I used gpt in squeeze |
| 08:45.52 | nsadmin | those are said to work |
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| 08:46.06 | thewanderer1 | gdisk is actually pretty nice for making GPT tables AND ensuring they are aligned for free |
| 08:46.47 | thewanderer1 | (the installer should also be able to create GPT... but if it aligns that, I doubt) |
| 08:47.05 | joltcan | etisfo: bridge_port is the physical IF |
| 08:47.21 | bool | think i will be using parted magic to run parted from and align partitions manually |
| 08:47.33 | etisfo | joltcan, yes, so I'd do bridge_port eth0, correct? |
| 08:47.41 | joltcan | etisfo: yeah |
| 08:47.51 | etisfo | joltcan, thanks |
| 08:48.01 | bool | also, why do gpt seem to be better suited for aligning partitions than regular partition tables in mbr? |
| 08:48.36 | thewanderer1 | bool: it's not, only most tools that are designed for GPT will align automatically for you :P |
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| 08:48.49 | joltcan | etisfo: I dont do ifconfig on those though, I let the bridge script in xen do that for me |
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| 08:49.11 | etisfo | joltcan, The Xen supplied network scripts are not always reliable and will be removed from a later version. They are disabled by default in Debian's packages. |
| 08:49.50 | balboah | I'm trying to get xen-tools on debian to debootstrap ubuntu precise for me. Anyone happen to have an idea why the ubuntu guest freezes on boot like this? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2468164/Screen%20shot%202012-09-12%20at%2010.41.11.png |
| 08:49.56 | joltcan | etisfo: chicken! |
| 08:50.02 | etisfo | joltcan, hm> |
| 08:50.05 | etisfo | hm?* |
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| 08:50.55 | joltcan | etisfo: I know they are disabled by default, but I just added the bridge script to the networking config |
| 08:51.11 | etisfo | joltcan, ah |
| 08:51.12 | bool | thewanderer1: ahh.. got it. i read a post where some people got misaligned partitions after resizing with gparted, but one of the guys said he fixed it by using gpt tables. so i thoght there was an advantage. here is the post: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=74341 |
| 08:51.12 | joltcan | etisfo: But you could use ifconfig and do aliasing, that should work fine I guess |
| 08:51.59 | joltcan | etisfo: anyway, the script just adds vifX.0 to mybridge0, all IP config I do in the xen host |
| 08:52.10 | nsadmin | at some pt consider moving from ifconfig/route to ip |
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| 08:52.54 | joltcan | ip <3 |
| 08:53.24 | etisfo | SolusVM is confusing. Main page says it support "OpenVZ, Linux KVM, Xen Paravirtualization and Xen HVM", and the order page says "This license allows you to run a master that can host virtual servers (OpenVZ only)." |
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| 09:27.40 | jelly-home | etisfo: "we support everything. you have to cash out if you actually _want_ everything but the basic option?" |
| 09:28.35 | jelly-home | best to contact the vendor and ask them for extra licenses to cover your test platform |
| 09:28.56 | etisfo | jelly-home, I figured it out, searched around :) |
| 09:29.22 | jelly-home | I think proxmox ve gives a bit more in their free version |
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| 09:30.25 | etisfo | jelly-home, does proxmox have both admin and client controls? |
| 09:30.54 | jelly-home | hm, no idea (the only clients are us, here) |
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| 09:41.17 | ChrisH | Any Amanda Usere here with different Amanda Versions active? I cannot amrevocer with wheezy from an old lenny amanda server for compressed images. local recovery is OK |
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| 09:53.18 | Doggie52 | loving debian |
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| 10:13.41 | Odd_Bloke | Hello all. I'm getting all syslog messages being printed to all consoles. I've tried commenting out all references to consoles in /etc/rsyslog.conf to no avail, and am at something of a loss. |
| 10:14.44 | nsadmin | did you restart syslogd |
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| 10:15.21 | Odd_Bloke | nsadmin: I've restarted since, to ensure everything was restarted. |
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| 10:15.30 | Odd_Bloke | The lines take the form in http://paste.debian.net/189528/ |
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| 10:15.43 | nsadmin | oh you mean you restarted the whole machine |
| 10:16.04 | Odd_Bloke | nsadmin: Yeah, apologies for the lack of clarity. |
| 10:16.04 | nsadmin | that would do it so long as the restart happened after changing the config |
| 10:16.09 | Odd_Bloke | Yeah, it did. |
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| 10:16.15 | Odd_Bloke | But hasn't fixed the problem. :) |
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| 10:16.52 | nsadmin | Odd_Bloke, accepted, and, no apology necessary. I like to make sure with my communication, on both sides |
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| 10:18.05 | sKeiths | I have a program that wants to use /tmp, then /root as temporary installation directories, but /tmp is small and /root is rather limited, i have a directory /DataVolume with TBs of space. Is there a ln command to link /root to a directory in this drive and is it safe to do? |
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| 10:18.06 | nsadmin | so you want to run django with postgres as db |
| 10:18.46 | Odd_Bloke | nsadmin: That's a Django app which is logging to the syslog. |
| 10:19.00 | Odd_Bloke | There's no ready way to stop it doing that (for now). |
| 10:19.17 | gfrank | getting rid of Mono, part III: According to your experiences, what might be a powerful, possibly DE-independent alternative to Gnome-Do? |
| 10:19.22 | thewanderer1 | sKeiths: use a temporary bind mount. best done in a separate mount namespace, but short of that, it's pretty safe as long as other apps don't write to there... |
| 10:19.36 | Odd_Bloke | And as I'm the only dev not using a Mac, I'm the only one seeing this, so we're unlikely to spend dev time fixing it. :) |
| 10:19.53 | thewanderer1 | Odd_Bloke: can you paste your rsyslog.conf to paste.debian.net ? |
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| 10:20.56 | ChrisH | sKeiths: does the program honours TMPDIR or has another way to configure it? |
| 10:21.37 | Odd_Bloke | thewanderer1: http://daniel.daniel-watkins.co.uk/rsyslog.conf |
| 10:21.51 | nsadmin | Odd_Bloke, so syslog is sending these messages to you, maybe because the messages are urgent, or maybe because there is no other configured outlet |
| 10:21.58 | sKeiths | ChrisH: I dont have a env $TMPDIR that might be an issue |
| 10:22.26 | Odd_Bloke | nsadmin: These are being logged at 'DEBUG', so I would _suspect_ the latter rather than the former. |
| 10:22.36 | Odd_Bloke | Though, of course, they may not be sent to syslog with the correct priority. |
| 10:22.42 | nsadmin | Odd_Bloke, agreed |
| 10:22.51 | ChrisH | sKeiths: export TMPDIR=/DataVolume/myapptmp and you have such an env |
| 10:23.08 | ChrisH | sKeiths: ask the vendor or use the source for find out... |
| 10:23.15 | sKeiths | thanks. i'll try that. |
| 10:23.20 | Odd_Bloke | They are ending up in /var/log/syslog though, which suggests there is another configured outlet. |
| 10:23.29 | Odd_Bloke | Unless that's a similar 'default' sink, too. |
| 10:23.30 | sKeiths | its closed source as far as I know. accurev |
| 10:23.32 | ChrisH | sKeiths: If you use LVM simple increase /tmp from DataVolume |
| 10:23.43 | thewanderer1 | Odd_Bloke: it's strange that rsyslog would just dump that to the console (maybe your app is doing the output? O.o), but try reconfiguring kernel's printk level |
| 10:23.49 | thewanderer1 | (see /etc/sysctl.conf) |
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| 10:24.05 | Odd_Bloke | thewanderer1: Agreed, but if I stop rsyslogd then it stops happening. |
| 10:24.17 | thewanderer1 | hm, must be rsyslogd then |
| 10:24.27 | thewanderer1 | Odd_Bloke: is there any config snippet in /etc/rsyslog.d ? |
| 10:24.29 | Odd_Bloke | Indeed. |
| 10:24.31 | Odd_Bloke | thewanderer1: Nope. |
| 10:24.37 | nsadmin | so then maybe it's the config files associated with -r-syslogd |
| 10:24.52 | ChrisH | sKeiths: if its closed source ask the vendor on how to configure a different tmpdir. |
| 10:25.31 | sKeiths | okay, thanks. You have given lots of wriggle room. I'll try all this. |
| 10:25.55 | halt__ | HI all, i have a truble with the dhcp leases file |
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| 10:26.23 | halt__ | it's look like it's storing the old (inactive) leases as well |
| 10:26.52 | nsadmin | halt__, it does store old leases, that's pretty norman |
| 10:26.54 | halt__ | is it normal, and if it's then is there any option to switch to just active |
| 10:26.55 | nsadmin | normal |
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| 10:27.34 | halt__ | i need to see just the active ones |
| 10:27.37 | Odd_Bloke | I think it's desirable to maintain the old leases so that returning clients receive the same IP, but I may be mistaken. |
| 10:28.02 | thewanderer1 | if the leases are there, I would guess they classify as "active" i.e. non-expired ones |
| 10:28.34 | halt__ | this is exectly what i whan to avoid |
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| 10:29.23 | nsadmin | the "active" leases are where the lease is currently applied to a running host |
| 10:29.41 | Odd_Bloke | Ah, one thing I've just noticed: the "DEBUG" messages are not in /var/log/debug. |
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| 10:30.12 | milo64 | hello debian |
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| 10:30.23 | milo64 | hello to all |
| 10:30.42 | milo64 | how can i search for package version? |
| 10:30.44 | nsadmin | milo64, hi, welcome to debian support |
| 10:30.46 | milo64 | is there a bot? |
| 10:31.05 | nsadmin | milo64, yes, which queries UDD |
| 10:31.06 | milo64 | i need to know about byobu |
| 10:31.08 | nsadmin | !udd |
| 10:31.08 | dpkg | The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/ |
| 10:31.22 | nsadmin | , versions byobu |
| 10:31.24 | judd | Package: byobu on i386 -- squeeze: 2.80-1+squeeze1; sid: 5.16-1; wheezy: 5.16-1 |
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| 10:31.55 | Odd_Bloke | Aha, rsyslogd, I have you. |
| 10:32.09 | Odd_Bloke | If I comment out the emergency logging line, I don't see the messages any more. |
| 10:32.25 | thewanderer1 | Odd_Bloke: maybe the messages were being sent as emergency level? O.o |
| 10:32.34 | Odd_Bloke | *shakes fist as Django* |
| 10:32.47 | nsadmin | Odd_Bloke, ok, so the messages were considered urgent... it might be a good idea to find out why |
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| 10:33.05 | thewanderer1 | I suppose emergency should mean "come and bring an extinguisher with you"... |
| 10:33.55 | Odd_Bloke | Yeah, indeed. |
| 10:34.07 | Odd_Bloke | It looks like Django is writing to /dev/log. |
| 10:34.19 | Odd_Bloke | My suspicion is that messages to that are treated as urgent by default. |
| 10:34.27 | Doggie52 | Are there any major upsides to disabling 1. swap and 2. initial ram disk? |
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| 10:35.22 | thewanderer1 | Doggie52: no swap = no chance of a slowdown (swap is generally useless on desktop systems), and the initrd? maybe 1s faster boot time, at a very high cost (LVM2, RAID support, lots of other useful stuff) |
| 10:35.41 | Odd_Bloke | Swap is useful for hibernate to disk. |
| 10:35.46 | thewanderer1 | okay, only that |
| 10:35.54 | nsadmin | Doggie52, you're compiling a kernel? |
| 10:36.05 | Doggie52 | thewanderer1, say I would want to run a game- and webserver -- I wouldn't need swap for that either? |
| 10:36.09 | Doggie52 | nsadmin, yes. |
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| 10:36.33 | thewanderer1 | Doggie52: seeing how a game server would grind to a halt when using swap space, no |
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| 10:36.47 | nsadmin | swap is a dynamic thing that responds to everything that's happening as one thing |
| 10:36.57 | berarma | Doggie52: you should always have a swap |
| 10:37.09 | thewanderer1 | ↑ not really, no :P |
| 10:37.39 | Doggie52 | berarma, why? I have 4GB of ram, of which I will practically never even use 70% |
| 10:37.41 | thewanderer1 | if you're running mission-critical services, swap is a must - but if you value performance over absolute resiliency (as should be the case with a game server)... better use no swap |
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| 10:38.25 | boudiccas | or if you have very little ram, 500mb in my case, you need swap |
| 10:38.27 | thewanderer1 | there are *some* cases where swap might improve performance, but they are extremely specific |
| 10:38.45 | Odd_Bloke | nsadmin: thewanderer1: Thanks for the help. :) |
| 10:39.03 | Doggie52 | I see! Thanks! |
| 10:39.04 | ChrisH | Its no matter of *using* swap, the kernel *needs* swap space to hand out all RAM pages. |
| 10:39.06 | berarma | Doggie52: swap is a safety bed when you run out of memory, it will also free seldom used process from ram |
| 10:39.48 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: except kernel pages aren't swapped out, I think |
| 10:39.50 | Doggie52 | Ah, well, in my case I think the cons far outnumber the pros with swap |
| 10:39.54 | Trewas | kernel will also happily swap used stuff out if it thinks that RAM is better used for caching, I avoid swap in desktops just for that |
| 10:40.07 | berarma | Doggie52: your computer will not work better without swap, your processes will use more ram and when running out of memory instead of a slowdown your processes will die |
| 10:40.27 | thewanderer1 | see? no slowdown :P |
| 10:40.39 | Doggie52 | berarma, that's fine -- I'll never use too much memory. My processes are too pro for that |
| 10:40.57 | thewanderer1 | on a server, you should be disabling memory overcommit, anyway... |
| 10:40.58 | berarma | wanders to the #ubuntu channel |
| 10:41.04 | Doggie52 | :D |
| 10:41.15 | ChrisH | Doggie52: If you do not use memory why did you bought it? |
| 10:41.21 | nsadmin | now about the initial ramdisk, you would need that if any piece of support for mounting / is a module |
| 10:42.08 | Doggie52 | ChrisH, it came bundled, I did not build this particular setup myself actually |
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| 10:42.42 | Doggie52 | nsadmin, ah, ok -- I've read about people advising one to *not* use it, but without stating any reasons why |
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| 10:44.02 | Doggie52 | But support for LVM and RAID etc could be compiled into the kernel (not as modules) and thus work even if I don't have an initrd, amirite? |
| 10:44.42 | Doggie52 | If I were to have a real grudge against an initrd and really not want to use it, that is. |
| 10:44.47 | nsadmin | Doggie52, the basic deal, is that at first, no filesystems (incl /) are mounted... then, the initrd is read in, modules are modprobed, which should make it possible to mount / |
| 10:44.54 | thewanderer1 | the kernel would still need some early userspace for activating the LVM, AFAIK... better chances with RAID, but the point still stands |
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| 10:45.02 | nsadmin | once / is mounted, the ramdisk is deallocated |
| 10:45.16 | Doggie52 | Roger that |
| 10:45.41 | thewanderer1 | also, the kernel didn't use to provide UUID support itself (this has since changed) - this was a major argument for initramfs |
| 10:45.55 | nsadmin | right, that's another thing the initrd allows, is support for everything in raid, or everything in lvm, or both in combination |
| 10:46.10 | nsadmin | as well as lvm encrypted |
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| 10:46.49 | nsadmin | (note, that you would need a rescue system that supports everything needed to mount / as well |
| 10:46.51 | nsadmin | ) |
| 10:47.31 | Doggie52 | Ah |
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| 10:47.43 | Doggie52 | I'll just keep initrd then, as there's no real benefit in getting rid of it |
| 10:48.16 | Doggie52 | On another topic, is it safe to use steamline_config.pl (https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/20940/) ? Is there a risk that some modules are needed even though they don't appear in 'lsmod' ? |
| 10:48.34 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm running into this, only mplayer does not "see" the HDMI/DP output either, and I have no means of playing sound over it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=670486 |
| 10:49.11 | nsadmin | then, you would need to make sure that all the support for mounting / is either modulized or compiled into the kernel (maybe this is (say) 5 modules, and if you use the initrd, you can use any combination of modules versus compiled-in |
| 10:49.20 | thewanderer1 | Doggie52: I've used an auto-config option from the kernel sources (don't remember the name, make currentconfig ?) and half of modules were missing. |
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| 10:50.17 | moebius_ | hey... does anyone know how to stop PulseAudio shutting off every time the level is too high according to its own limits? |
| 10:50.27 | Doggie52 | thewanderer1, i.e. you weren't able to boot your system? |
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| 10:50.42 | thewanderer1 | Doggie52: I was, but there wasn't much to look at afterwards :P |
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| 10:50.49 | Doggie52 | :D |
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| 10:51.01 | bal0on | ehlo |
| 10:51.18 | Doggie52 | Ah, that script is now 'make localmodconfig' |
| 10:51.27 | thewanderer1 | yeah, this is precisely what didn't work for me :P |
| 10:51.28 | Doggie52 | Was that the one you used, thewanderer1 ? |
| 10:51.31 | Doggie52 | haha |
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| 10:51.36 | Linox32 | I create a user with adduser and group and the dir /home/username now how i can do something to this user can have access to edit 1 files in /home/siteweb/www/file1.php ? |
| 10:51.38 | thewanderer1 | so, can anyone with a ThinkPad tell me if/how they got their DisplayPort audio working? |
| 10:51.58 | thewanderer1 | Linox32: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 10:51.59 | moebius_ | wow.... 3.6.0... |
| 10:52.02 | moebius_ | :) |
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| 10:52.10 | nsadmin | thewanderer1, I like: make mrproper ; (copy the appropriate config from /boot to ./.config) ; make oldconfig ; (backup .config) ; (use make menuconfig or make xconfig to adjust the config) ; (backup .config) ; make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 10:52.42 | Roberts | Hi, guys. Any info on .deb bin hardware monitoring tool? By monitoring tool i mean, i need to monitor physical hardware changes - when and what hardware where changed, for example, usb connected, usb disconnected, drive hw changed etc. Anyone aware of this kind of tool? |
| 10:52.45 | thewanderer1 | nsadmin: I know, that's what I usually do... because localmodconfig is pretty much useless :P |
| 10:53.05 | Linox32 | thewanderer1 the files in /home/siteweb/www/file1.php use another group |
| 10:53.17 | thewanderer1 | Linox32: read the section about ACL please |
| 10:54.09 | Doggie52 | Any disadvantage in using -j 2 when make-ing the kernel? |
| 10:54.11 | nsadmin | it's actually been a long time since I had to build my own kernel... the last times were mostly because I wanted to play with rt, low-latency, and capabilities |
| 10:54.20 | Linox32 | acl ok |
| 10:54.29 | bal0on | does anyone use ifscheme in wheezy? |
| 10:54.37 | Linox32 | then I log in ftp with the username is dir have nothing no file |
| 10:54.44 | thewanderer1 | Doggie52: well, you could be using -j 100 if you had a 100-core machine... but really, do use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 make-kpkg --initrd ... |
| 10:55.08 | bal0on | at startup I get "Can't read ifupdown state file ...", afair |
| 10:55.32 | Ora3232 | bal0on: No. Have you tried network manager/wicd? Much easier |
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| 10:55.57 | thewanderer1 | Linox32: maybe you are in the wrong directory? :P |
| 10:57.28 | Linox32 | thewanderer1 no |
| 10:57.44 | Linox32 | thewanderer1 if I connect on root I have aceec to my website files |
| 10:57.56 | Linox32 | in /home/website/www/files |
| 10:58.14 | Linox32 | I add a new user with useradd |
| 10:58.22 | Linox32 | I add a new user with useradd usernmae |
| 10:58.25 | Doggie52 | thewanderer1, is there a difference between CONCURRENCY_LEVEL and make -j ? |
| 10:58.41 | Linox32 | to get access to /home/username |
| 10:58.43 | thewanderer1 | Doggie52: note: I wrote make-kpkg, not make, which are two completely different programs |
| 10:59.04 | Doggie52 | I'm using make -j 2 deb-pkg |
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| 10:59.12 | Linox32 | now I want this username can read and edit file1.php in /home/website/www/ |
| 10:59.30 | Linox32 | the user have only access to /home/username |
| 10:59.30 | Doggie52 | As the kernel handbook tells me to |
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| 10:59.51 | jelly-home | does it now |
| 11:00.00 | nsadmin | Doggie52, under debian there is already a script called make-kpkg |
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| 11:00.18 | jelly-home | Doggie52: where can this kernel handbook be read |
| 11:00.22 | thewanderer1 | Linox32: define "have only access to /home/username". can't you cd to /home/website? why? |
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| 11:00.27 | Doggie52 | jelly-home, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
| 11:00.34 | babilen | nsadmin: Doesn't the kernel team endorse "make deb-pkg" over make-kpkg these days? |
| 11:00.41 | Doggie52 | nsadmin, so make deb-pkg == make-kpkg? |
| 11:00.54 | Linox32 | no |
| 11:01.00 | nsadmin | babilen, dunno what they advocate |
| 11:01.05 | Linox32 | I can only go to /home/username |
| 11:01.18 | thewanderer1 | Linox32: then your FTP setup is broken, fix it |
| 11:01.24 | bal0on | Ora3232: ifscheme is ok for me, but in wheezy not working |
| 11:01.28 | Linox32 | ? |
| 11:01.30 | babilen | I was under the impression that deb-pkg is the way to go, but I haven't really followed this topic closely. |
| 11:01.32 | jelly-home | make deb-pkg doesn't deal with -amd64 kernels if you want then built as _i386.deb package |
| 11:01.49 | bal0on | this has to do with changes in ifupdown: /etc/network/run/ifstate is now symlink to /run/network/state |
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| 11:01.49 | jelly-home | but maybe they also expect you to go multiarch |
| 11:02.00 | Ora3232 | babilen: I suggest trying the lastest version and then reporting the bug to the developers |
| 11:02.02 | Linox32 | thewanderer1 I user this instruction to create FTP user http://www.unix.com/unix-dummies-questions-answers/127205-creating-ftp-account-using-ssh-putty.html |
| 11:02.33 | thewanderer1 | Linox32: your FTP server config is still broken (uses chroot for no good reason) |
| 11:02.38 | babilen | Ora3232: Huh? I am not sure what you refer to. Would you mind clarifying which bug you are talking about? |
| 11:02.40 | thewanderer1 | also, stop using FTP :P |
| 11:02.46 | nsadmin | make-kpkg optionally creates packages that when installed, build an initrd |
| 11:02.50 | Doggie52 | jelly-home, so if I'm on amd64 I should be using make-kpkg ? |
| 11:02.52 | Linox32 | I need it en hire a freelancer |
| 11:02.57 | Linox32 | need to edit 1 files |
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| 11:03.13 | Linox32 | imoa |
| 11:03.24 | Linox32 | I will ask on other channel |
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| 11:08.51 | jelly-home | Doggie52: no, if you're on amd64 you don't have to worry about that issue at all. |
| 11:09.01 | sKeiths | my numlock led has stopped indicating if numlock is on or off. |
| 11:09.10 | Doggie52 | OK, great! |
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| 11:10.33 | boudiccas | sKeiths: are you using wheezy? the exact same thing happened to me last night, btu logging off and logging in again sorted it out |
| 11:11.46 | jelly-home | sKeiths: switching to console and back to X sometimes makes the X server reset keyboard LED states |
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| 11:12.10 | sKeiths | squeeze. i'll try now. |
| 11:12.37 | jelly-home | avoids all that trouble by not having a num.keypad |
| 11:13.06 | sKeiths | crtl+alt+1, then alt+7. same. i'll live with it, can't log out right now. |
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| 11:14.31 | babilen | Doggie52: This also seems to be a good time to learn about "nproc" -- Read "man ncproc" and use "make -j $(nproc)" from now on. |
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| 11:15.00 | ChrisH | I am using wheezy and my KDE4 forgot/mixed up my Dualhead config over night. I needed to deactivate the second monitor reactivate to get different pictures onto the 2 monitors |
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| 11:15.27 | sKeiths | jelly-home: i have a netbook, and thought i had done something seriuosly wrong when half the keyboard kept typing the wrong things. it turned out it had a numlock and it puts a pad over right hand side of keyboard. |
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| 11:15.29 | Doggie52 | babilen, thanks! Great tip. |
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| 11:23.25 | Linox32 | I create a user with adduser and group and the dir /home/username now how i can do something to this user can have access to edit 1 files in /home/siteweb/www/file1.php ?someone speak french ? |
| 11:23.27 | Linox32 | someone speak french ? |
| 11:23.33 | thewanderer1 | !fr |
| 11:23.35 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 11:25.23 | ChrisH | Linox32: assign the new user to the group owning /home/siteweb/www/file1.php. make the file group writeable. for a more detailed answer, please pastbin: ls -ld /home/siteweb/www/file1.php /home/siteweb/www/ and id -a as this newly created user |
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| 11:27.02 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: I already pointed him at POSIX ACL, but he's using FTP and his users are (probably) chroot'ed... |
| 11:28.50 | ChrisH | thewanderer1: He didn't mention FTP |
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| 11:30.52 | thewanderer1 | ChrisH: <Linox32> then I log in ftp with the username is dir have nothing no file |
| 11:31.02 | jelly-home | ChrisH: you can find it half an hour ago in the logs, around 10:54 UTC |
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| 11:32.21 | ChrisH | I only saw the last query. |
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| 11:36.19 | chalcedony` | http://pastebin.com/MKN5bhsL can someone explain how to do this please? |
| 11:36.55 | chalcedony` | i won't tell how many ways i tried wrong |
| 11:37.41 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: if your network hardware worked before the hw incident, there's nothing that different drivers can help with |
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| 11:38.29 | chalcedony` | jelly-home, you'd just give up and go buy a network lan card? |
| 11:38.31 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: power off the machine, power it back on, see if things work better. Do you have a working usb stick so you can copy off the logs and pastebin them if need be? |
| 11:38.46 | chalcedony` | no usb stick |
| 11:39.02 | chalcedony` | shut it off twice, no difference |
| 11:39.19 | jelly-home | then it's not going to be easy to debug the issue |
| 11:39.23 | chalcedony` | eth0 can't be found.. so the drivers might help by replacing that |
| 11:39.43 | chalcedony` | i have the cd player thing |
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| 11:40.04 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: on Linux there's little benefit in replacing drivers that already worked |
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| 11:40.47 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: find a way to show us the lspci -nn output, and dmesg output (or /var/log/kern.log) from the machine. |
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| 11:41.32 | chalcedony` | how do i copy files to the cd? |
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| 11:42.25 | jelly-home | burn them onto cd-r or cd-rw media |
| 11:42.41 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: do you have wodim installed? |
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| 11:43.21 | chalcedony` | wodim command not foubnd |
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| 11:43.58 | jelly-home | unless there's a second low-level cd burning app, you're SOL |
| 11:44.10 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: get a usb stick |
| 11:44.25 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: digital photo? I know there is an pastebin for jpgs or much better get a working USB Stick |
| 11:44.38 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, good to see you |
| 11:44.59 | jelly-home | ChrisH: wth, his network card does not work -- trying to get logs out |
| 11:45.29 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, you remember me. we don't know if the usb stick didn't work or if it's the port. either way.. the cd did download the driver, i just don't know how to move it, to untar it |
| 11:45.31 | chalcedony` | ? |
| 11:45.33 | ChrisH | jelly-home: I know... we tried to figure it out yesterday allready. |
| 11:45.56 | jelly-home | oh, he had a different issue, also with hardware, then? |
| 11:46.06 | chalcedony` | he is a she |
| 11:46.16 | jelly-home | she, then, has shitty hardware |
| 11:46.17 | jpinx | jelly-home: other stuff got in the way todsy. I'll try to get to it tomorrow ;) |
| 11:46.22 | chalcedony` | adult with learning disabilities. |
| 11:46.54 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: You did download the livecd onto another system with a CD burner? |
| 11:47.36 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, my husband couldn't figure out what to download, i got him the Realtek drivers, so i have that here on the cd. |
| 11:47.53 | thewanderer1 | chalcedony`: drivers are probably not the issue |
| 11:48.33 | chalcedony` | thewanderer1, if they aren't at least we tried, and i know how to handle the files next time. ... could someone please explain how to deal with them? |
| 11:48.58 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: there's typically little reason to blame drivers for failure of hardware after a hw malfunction; typical approach is to analyze the logs and whether the hw can be seen at all by the OS |
| 11:49.17 | chalcedony` | ok so how do i upload the logs to a cd? :) |
| 11:49.34 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ select one of the file ending with iso |
| 11:50.32 | thewanderer1 | chalcedony`: without wodim, this is going to be tough... have you got any other media, like an SD card + a reader, or a digital camera that you can transfer files to? |
| 11:50.42 | jelly-home | ChrisH: is wodim present on the live image? |
| 11:51.34 | chalcedony` | you know, i probably have the debian image on this laptop.. anyway what i used is i386 |
| 11:51.46 | ChrisH | jelly-home: I wanted to see if the NIC is visible in the LIVE CD to be able to determine if the HW is broken or the Installation get corrupted when the system crashed when adding the USB Headphone. |
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| 11:52.50 | jelly-home | that makes some sense |
| 11:52.58 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: then please burn the debian image onto a CD and boot it. Its not needed to have the newest one. We only need to see if the Network Card (NIC) is visible or not. |
| 11:53.21 | chalcedony` | so -any- os live cd would show that? |
| 11:53.28 | jelly-home | I'll withdraw any suggestions until this line of approach is exhausted |
| 11:53.35 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: pretty much, yeah |
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| 11:54.19 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: any Linux live CD would be fine... Windows live will not help me to find out about the HW. |
| 11:54.38 | chalcedony` | right but ubuntu would |
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| 11:55.09 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: yes. ubunut is fine as we can assume all needed firmware is there |
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| 11:56.36 | chalcedony` | let me see what we have |
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| 12:11.27 | Linox32 | ChrisH thank for yoru help |
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| 12:14.19 | Doggie52 | When installing a new kernel package with the same name, will it simply overwrite the old one? |
| 12:14.30 | Doggie52 | Or do I have to first uninstall the old one and then install the new kernel |
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| 12:15.05 | jelly-home | Doggie52: dpkg first removes the old one, then installs the new one |
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| 12:15.23 | jelly-home | you're jsut upgrading the package |
| 12:15.31 | Doggie52 | It does that if the package has the same name, yes? But if my new kernel had another name it wouldn't do that, right? |
| 12:15.35 | abrotman | Doggie52: you don't have to manually remove anything |
| 12:15.38 | jelly-home | Doggie52: correct |
| 12:15.48 | Doggie52 | Thanks! |
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| 12:20.04 | Doggie52 | How do I set my new kernel as the default kernel that GRUB boots from? |
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| 12:21.15 | Doggie52 | Nvm |
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| 12:25.57 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, jelly - ubuntu 10.10 live cd says No network interfaces detected. shall i continue? |
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| 12:27.14 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: can you go into a shell and run lshw -short or lspci and test tail -f /var/log/messages and plug ypur USB Stick into different USB Ports. |
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| 12:27.54 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: don't have anything newe? |
| 12:27.57 | jelly-home | newer* |
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| 12:28.08 | abrotman | shouldn't matter if it's PCI |
| 12:28.09 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, i gave the stick back to my husband. i'm doing the ubuntu live cd .. |
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| 12:28.38 | chalcedony` | jelly-home, we agreed that any cd would do? |
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| 12:29.30 | jelly-home | chalcedony`: yeah, but... how old is your hardware? |
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| 12:29.57 | chalcedony` | it's an ASRock A780GXH/128M |
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| 12:30.26 | abrotman | does the NIC try to PXE boot when the system POSTs? |
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| 12:30.51 | chalcedony` | abramart, talking to me? |
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| 12:31.20 | chalcedony` | me hits <continue> |
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| 12:32.39 | abrotman | yes |
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| 12:33.29 | chalcedony` | abrotman, it errors |
| 12:33.38 | chalcedony` | do i tell it a root file system? |
| 12:35.10 | mrcarrot | What is the current state of wheezy? Has there been any freeze? Is there any known problem (big ones) |
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| 12:36.20 | mrcarrot | I am asking as a ltsp is not backported to squeeze, and I wonder if it is even worth to make a test installation of wheezy. I need real stability as 7 schools will depend on it. There are some critical features that ltsp in squeeze is not having. |
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| 12:37.44 | chalcedony` | mrcarrot, i think i sent them headscratching, let's wait a bit and someone will answer you |
| 12:39.20 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, jelly - would you be happier with an 11.04 cd? |
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| 12:39.39 | boudiccas | mrcarrot: wheezy is frozen since endof June, and it is stable enough for desktop useage [if you're rpeared to sort things out if they break] but only you can decide whether its good enough for you to use. i use it, but then my patients say that i'm mad! :) |
| 12:39.41 | abrotman | chalcedony`: no, i was just wondering if it was there at all .. you never answered them about the lspci |
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| 12:41.09 | sKeiths | how do i access files inside of a .deb without installing them. |
| 12:41.15 | chalcedony` | abrotman, they didn't say how to copy files. then we decided to try a live cd. |
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| 12:41.20 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: we only need to push a shell and run the commands we asked for. |
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| 12:41.33 | mrcarrot | boudiccas: Thanks. |
| 12:41.44 | boudiccas | you're welcome |
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| 12:43.01 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, ok i'm at BusyBox v1.14.3 (Ubuntu 1:1.15.3-1ubuntu5) built in shell (ash) |
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| 12:43.54 | boudiccas | sKeiths: i think that you can examine them in ark |
| 12:43.55 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: lspci |
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| 12:44.13 | sKeiths | boudiccas. dpkg -x source dest worked. |
| 12:44.43 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, ok what am i looking for in lspci? |
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| 12:45.28 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: something with realtek in name Realtek RTL8111DL is the chipset used for your NIC from asrock web page |
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| 12:45.37 | chalcedony` | yep |
| 12:45.50 | chalcedony` | and nothig like that here |
| 12:46.03 | chalcedony` | PCI bridge? |
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| 12:46.49 | mrcarrot | Next question: How well is the upgrade taking care of the transition from gnome2 to gnome3? |
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| 12:47.08 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: to compare http://paste.debian.net/189546/ Lines 23 and 34 are Network cards |
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| 12:48.20 | grylli | hello, is there any way to set aptitude to not load dependency tree each time it starts?that is a delay and i would rather it saves it in file somewhere |
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| 12:49.23 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: all that intel stuff is not relevant here... If you do not see anything looking like a NIC we have 2 options left. 1. The BIOS Setting did reset and the BIOS did disable the NIC 2. The HW id dead then you need to add a new NIC or replace the Mainboard. But both are jobs for a local guy. Do you have such a PC shop in your home town? |
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| 12:50.15 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, i'm not stupid about hardware |
| 12:50.31 | DammitJim | whoa... arandr's script actually worked! |
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| 12:51.42 | chalcedony` | nothing says Ethernet however. |
| 12:51.46 | chalcedony` | so.. |
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| 12:51.55 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: then let me reword it. Check the BIOS and replace the MB or add another NIC to use it. Its no SW issue. |
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| 12:52.00 | chalcedony` | toasted board or buy a nic card |
| 12:52.07 | boudiccas | mrcarrot: pretty seamless, but i've gone over to XFCE as its easier on the old eyes |
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| 12:53.14 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: Or disabled in BIOS |
| 12:53.34 | chalcedony` | ChrisH, check the bios - so reboot and look? |
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| 12:55.23 | ChrisH | chalcedony`: yes. |
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| 13:06.59 | Shadow` | if i delete a folder and get a billion questions to remove regular file |
| 13:07.03 | Shadow` | is there a yes-to-all? |
| 13:07.26 | crtxc | rm -rf file |
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| 13:07.43 | crtxc | -r = recursive -f is force |
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| 13:07.48 | Shadow` | cool |
| 13:07.50 | Shadow` | thanks |
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| 13:08.29 | crtxc | :) |
| 13:08.50 | Shadow` | should've just asked many years ago instead of all the y-enter spam :P |
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| 13:09.21 | crtxc | :) |
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| 13:09.49 | jokerdino | someone didn't know about rm -rf? ~_~ |
| 13:09.58 | Shadow` | waves, here |
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| 13:10.07 | Dealizer_ | I was installing a bunch of packages and suddenly my desktop session quited. I've logged in again and I want to recover that Synaptic window, how can I do that? |
| 13:10.08 | crtxc | I didn't. |
| 13:10.13 | crtxc | :) |
| 13:10.17 | jokerdino | Shadow`: that was like one of the commands that i learned not to use :P |
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| 13:10.27 | ChrisH | some call it remove really fast |
| 13:10.31 | crtxc | :) |
| 13:10.49 | Shadow` | theres allot u 'shouldnt' use :P |
| 13:10.58 | Sm0ke0ut | mv location /dev/null would've worked as well =) |
| 13:11.19 | Shadow` | move it into oblivion |
| 13:11.51 | Erlkoenig | why doesn't the "grub rescue" shell recognize my partitions... "ls" shows (hd0), but "ls (hd0,0)", "ls (hd0,1)" etc. shows "error: no such partition". The partition table is in GPT format, made with "parted". |
| 13:12.15 | crtxc | Note Shadow` before I use that command, i always check the directory that I am deleting first for any files i might want and any links -- soft or hard. |
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| 13:12.40 | Shadow` | heh, thanks for the tip |
| 13:12.42 | jokerdino | john_barleycorn: sup |
| 13:12.46 | crtxc | Because the directory might be needed by something else. |
| 13:12.53 | jokerdino | oops wrong room. |
| 13:13.01 | jokerdino | i have been talking in the wrong room the whole time. |
| 13:13.26 | Shadow` | heh, i usually only delete stuff from home folders |
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| 13:16.39 | bullgard4 | What update manager does Debian provide? |
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| 13:18.58 | john_barleycorn | hey jokerdino |
| 13:19.04 | john_barleycorn | didn't think I'd see you here. |
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| 13:19.19 | Shadow` | guess he has to find a new place to hide from you |
| 13:19.20 | jokerdino | john_barleycorn: neither did i see myself here. |
| 13:19.51 | jokerdino | i was just checking if i could grab a live iso for wheezy. |
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| 13:23.01 | abrotman | bullgard4: apt-cache search update manager |
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| 13:23.08 | Cart_ | Hi Guys. |
| 13:23.23 | Cart_ | How does one reset the new Debian root password? |
| 13:23.32 | abrotman | !tell Cart_ about ifrp |
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| 13:29.37 | Cart_ | ahm whats ifrP? |
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| 13:30.35 | jelly-home | Cart_: read the dpkg dpkg botsent you in private. |
| 13:30.43 | jelly-home | read the message* |
| 13:31.07 | boudiccas | is it possible to log the console boot up messages to /var/log/boot.txt please, and if so, how? |
| 13:31.54 | jelly-home | boudiccas: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 13:32.06 | boudiccas | jelly-home: k thanks |
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| 13:33.39 | Kakadu | hey! I'm trying to rebuild xen-api but after debuild's execution I cant clean source tree. http://paste.in.ua/4712/#61 Any ideas? |
| 13:33.55 | Cart_ | Ohh thanks :) |
| 13:33.58 | Cart_ | only noticed now |
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| 13:37.13 | Cart_ | ok how do I fsck to root file system? |
| 13:37.24 | Cart_ | in GNU GRUB command line thingy |
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| 13:37.53 | ChrisH | Cart_: standard way: boot from a differnt media. CD, Net |
| 13:38.37 | Cart_ | Ohh ok I see, Cant I edit the files from my windows partition on is it a different file system for Debian |
| 13:38.56 | Lasse- | It's different. |
| 13:39.21 | Lasse- | Depending on what filesystem you have for Debian, you might be able to read & write from Windows with third party tool. |
| 13:39.53 | ChrisH | Cart_: shutdown -F might work... from man shutdown this should force an fsck on bootup. I never tested that. |
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| 13:44.02 | Hexeon | hey, I am trying to find out what version of debian I have. /etc/debian_version just says "testing/unstable". /proc/version says "2.6.4-1-k7" "gcc version 3.3.2" "Mar 13 2004" |
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| 13:44.11 | Hexeon | any ideas? |
| 13:44.35 | jhutchins_wk | Cart_: Yes, shutdown -Fr now will reboot and do a filesystem check. |
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| 13:45.06 | boudiccas | Hexeon: sounds like wheezy with testing/unstable |
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| 13:45.45 | boudiccas | Hexeon: but thinking about it it would also say wheezy/sid |
| 13:45.54 | Hexeon | well, it's a really old server. so, wouldn't be anything new |
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| 13:46.55 | boudiccas | Hexeon: no, thats definetly not wheezy then, possibly something older like squeeze before it was released, does that sound feasible? |
| 13:47.09 | Hexeon | it gives no version or codename, just "testing/unstable", which is strange. I dunno if it was really installed back in 2004 or not |
| 13:47.13 | babilen | Hexeon: Paste your sources.list and the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net and we can tell you. |
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| 13:48.45 | Cart_ | I made a "forcefsck" file in the Root and didnt do anything on reboot |
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| 13:48.47 | Iridos | Hexeon, dpkg -l gcc\* ... look in /etc/apt/sources.list ... if you can install stuff, try apt-show-version for an overview where packages apparently are from |
| 13:49.00 | Hexeon | http://paste.debian.net/189554/ |
| 13:49.14 | Iridos | Hexeon, and well... it WAS testing/unstable and now it's nuffin |
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| 13:49.41 | Hexeon | now it's nuffin? what? |
| 13:49.43 | babilen | Hexeon: What about "dpkg -l libc6|tail -n1" ? |
| 13:49.56 | kjalil | hello, are there any good authoritative websites with information about setting up / using KVM (virt) on Debian? |
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| 13:50.14 | Iridos | ops, libc6 instead of gcc ... haven't been in here for long |
| 13:50.19 | babilen | !tell kjalil -about kvm |
| 13:50.26 | Hexeon | it says "ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone" |
| 13:50.39 | jokerdino | !tell jokerdino -about debian |
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| 13:50.46 | Iridos | Hexeon, if it was testing/stable in a time when potato was stable, what would you call it now? :P |
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| 13:50.54 | Iridos | judd, versions libc6 |
| 13:50.55 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; sid: 2.13-35; wheezy: 2.13-35 |
| 13:51.15 | Hexeon | I dunno. this is the first time I've dealt with debian. I've always used ubuntu/fedora/centos mostly |
| 13:51.17 | Iridos | heh, we need a list of libc6 versions going back to slink |
| 13:52.09 | Hexeon | just wondering how I might update and bring this thing up-to-date if possible |
| 13:52.12 | babilen | Hexeon: The changelog for that version was changed on 10 May 2005 -- So that box was tracking unstable back when woody was stable (shortly before the sarge release) |
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| 13:53.01 | Hexeon | I looked it up, woody is 3.0 and sarge is 3.1 |
| 13:53.39 | babilen | Hexeon: I would strongly recommend a new installation. You are running a completely out-of-date mix of whatever packages were in unstable at that point in time. Even if it is possible to upgrade your system to Sarge you would still have to upgrade to Etch, Lenny and Squeeze. It will be *much* easier to just reinstall it. |
| 13:54.10 | Iridos | actually 2.3.2 was apparently still used in sarge according to http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/libc6/ |
| 13:54.38 | Hexeon | so it could be after sarge? |
| 13:54.57 | Iridos | no, then would have sarge in the name, as on the page I linked to |
| 13:55.06 | babilen | Iridos: yeah, I am merely saying that the package was uploaded back then (followed by 2.3.4-1 eight days later) |
| 13:55.33 | Iridos | babilen, nono, you're completely right... it already had 2.3.2 and that was then kept for sarge |
| 13:55.56 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 13:55.56 | Hexeon | I tried aptitude update and it didn't work |
| 13:55.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 13:55.59 | Iridos | dpkg, release history |
| 13:55.59 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06). The next release will be Wheezy. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 13:56.48 | ChrisH | would try the upgrade just to see what happens... and then reinstall if needed |
| 13:57.07 | Iridos | Hexeon, ^^^ so your system is from shortly before sarge in mid-2005 |
| 13:57.29 | Iridos | ChrisH, it's oh-so easy to imagine what will happen... |
| 13:58.20 | Iridos | at least if you try to upgrade to squeeze without going through all the other releases |
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| 13:58.59 | boudiccas | instant Frankendebian! |
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| 13:59.13 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: You'd want to step through the versions from sarge through squeeze. |
| 13:59.45 | Hexeon | is there a way to upgrade to sarge still? |
| 14:00.34 | Iridos | yes |
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| 14:01.23 | ^DEMOSS^ | i do it is #mount /dev/sda1 /mnt #mount -t proc none /mnt/proc #mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev now i wanna mount dev/sda5 - were i have /usr partition. what command i need to use for mount /dev/sda5 to /mnt and have scripts on mnt ( i wanna chroot and reinstall grub ) |
| 14:01.37 | Iridos | dpkg, woody->sarge |
| 14:01.38 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <sarge release notes>. Ask me about <woody sources.list> as woody has been archived, then: "apt-get install aptitude". After this, ask me about <sarge sources.list>, then: "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". There is serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html . Also ask me about <sarge> and <sarge->etch>. |
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| 14:02.22 | jelly-home | whoa, has there been an "aptitude" in woody? |
| 14:02.54 | boudiccas | it sounds like Hexeonalready has aptitude |
| 14:03.04 | Hexeon | I think it's a 32-bit system |
| 14:03.45 | jelly-home | Hexeon: care to pastebin your dpkg -l libc6 kernel-image\* dpkg apt aptitude | grep '^.i' |
| 14:03.47 | Iridos | jelly-home, must have... dpkg won't lie to us! |
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| 14:04.16 | Blazemore|Work | Hello all. I'm using Debian Stable and was wondering what's the best way to get a reasonably recent version of Firefox backported? |
| 14:04.20 | Blazemore|Work | Iceweasel, or whatever is fine |
| 14:04.28 | jelly-home | Blazemore|Work: /msg dpkg mdn |
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| 14:04.51 | crtxc | you can get iceweasel at 10.0.6 |
| 14:05.09 | jelly-home | ,v iceweasel |
| 14:05.10 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.7esr-1; sid: 10.0.7esr-2; experimental: 15.0-1 |
| 14:05.11 | boudiccas | ,v iceweasel |
| 14:05.12 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.7esr-1; sid: 10.0.7esr-2; experimental: 15.0-1 |
| 14:05.23 | Blazemore|Work | I have a backports repository enabled I believe; I backported some things x-related to get my graphics working properly |
| 14:05.29 | jelly-home | judd needs duplication detection |
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| 14:06.30 | Blazemore|Work | Yeah it'd be cool if it said "see above" |
| 14:06.38 | Hexeon | http://paste.debian.net/189556/ |
| 14:07.33 | crtxc | http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 14:07.39 | jelly-home | Hexeon: set the archive woody sources.list before doing anything else |
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| 14:08.08 | Hexeon | oh. how do I do that |
| 14:08.32 | Blazemore|Work | So, I have this backports repository, and I can apt-get update without any errors, but apt-get upgrade isn't pulling down a later version of iceweasel |
| 14:08.35 | Cart_ | Guys...if the konsole after a BOOT says " root@debian:~# " im in the right place to edit my root password right? |
| 14:08.36 | Blazemore|Work | Is it a different package? |
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| 14:08.47 | jelly-home | Hexeon: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to only contain the stuff from /msg dpkg woody sources.list |
| 14:09.13 | Hexeon | okay |
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| 14:09.32 | jelly-home | Blazemore|Work: nothing from backports is automatically upgraded. Have you read the instructions at backports.debian.org? |
| 14:09.45 | Blazemore|Work | No, I'll do so now |
| 14:09.53 | Blazemore|Work | jelly-home: Didn't know you were in here, too |
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| 14:10.07 | jelly-home | where would I be |
| 14:10.15 | Hexeon | right now the file says "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" |
| 14:10.40 | jelly-home | Hexeon: yeah... that's not a good line to have there for that system. |
| 14:10.50 | boudiccas | shouldn't that url be to the archive setup? |
| 14:10.53 | Hexeon | dpkg says 3 things for woody. do I put all 3 in? |
| 14:10.53 | dpkg | Hexeon: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:10.56 | jelly-home | Hexeon: yes. |
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| 14:10.58 | crtxc | Hexeon: http://mozilla.debian.net/ does that help? |
| 14:11.08 | jelly-home | crtxc: wrong person |
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| 14:11.16 | crtxc | sorry. |
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| 14:12.12 | Hexeon | thanks crtxc: I think that link will be useful if I can get the system a bit more up-to-date |
| 14:12.26 | crtxc | nice. |
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| 14:14.17 | Hexeon | okay, this is what it looks like now |
| 14:14.19 | Hexeon | http://paste.debian.net/189557/ |
| 14:15.31 | jelly-home | that's great. now you can fully upgrade to woody, and after that, begin the woody->sarge step |
| 14:15.32 | Iridos | Hexeon, but you still would need to do 3 more upgrade steps... Woody->Sarge-> Etch-> Lenny-> Squeeze ... as we said... it's much faster and painless to reinstall with squeeze |
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| 14:15.53 | Blazemore|Work | Great I have a stable system with a sensible DE now |
| 14:15.54 | Hexeon | just run aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade? |
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| 14:16.05 | Iridos | actually I guess with anything not debian(-based) it would be impossible to upgrade |
| 14:16.08 | jelly-home | Hexeon: after reading the release notes, right |
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| 14:16.35 | Iridos | jelly-home, I think he's gonna do a quick(ish) nostalgic stroll through the history of debian |
| 14:16.43 | bullgard4 | Ubuntu offers a package »update-manager-text«. Why does Debian not offer a ackage »update-manager-text«? |
| 14:16.55 | bullgard4 | +p |
| 14:17.02 | jelly-home | bullgard4: maybe.. because you have aptitude. or apt-get. |
| 14:17.08 | Cart_ | YAY I did it :) |
| 14:17.25 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: No sir. They have that too. |
| 14:17.32 | Iridos | YAY, he did it |
| 14:17.36 | Iridos | whatever IT it was |
| 14:17.37 | jelly-home | bullgard4: so? |
| 14:17.40 | abrotman | bullgard4: because you haven't packaged it ? |
| 14:17.40 | babilen | Hexeon: What is the problem with reinstalling that box from scratch? If you *really* want to uprade it you have to do: the-mess-you-have-right-now→woody, woody→sarge, sarge→etch, etch→lenny, lenny→squeeze -- That will be a lot of work. What do you think to gain from that over a completely new Squeeze installation followed by reinstalling whatever services were offered by that box? |
| 14:17.56 | jelly-home | bullgard4: I mean, what's the feature you're missing? |
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| 14:18.49 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: An update manager that gives some graphical support but does not need a full GNOME installation. |
| 14:18.52 | jelly-home | babilen: what's the probloem with release upgrading? It's a lot of work, it it actually works in Debian. |
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| 14:18.57 | Hexeon | babilen: someone else has some stuff on it that I don't want to touch |
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| 14:19.18 | jelly-home | bullgard4: synaptic? |
| 14:19.20 | drathir | bullgard4: you have apt-get update/upgrade what need more? |
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| 14:19.41 | Iridos | you heard the entity... shiny piktschures |
| 14:19.43 | babilen | jelly-home: I don't see the point of doing it if the best end result (i.e. working squeeze installation) can be achieved in a fraction of the time. |
| 14:20.21 | bullgard4 | drathir: I already stated what. Please read more carefully what I wrote. |
| 14:20.26 | Hexeon | aptitude dist-upgrade seems to have replaced a few packages with the same version but with the name woody in it |
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| 14:20.42 | abrotman | bullgard4: that's what aptitude does |
| 14:20.48 | TheWarden | Hi, I came across a program called unclutter which hides the mouse cursor in X for a period of inactivity. How can I use this program to load automatically at system bootup? |
| 14:20.49 | babilen | Hexeon: What kind of "stuff" -- How are you not touching it by upgrading the entire system? I am merely trying to understand what you are doing and why .. You can, naturally, upgrade via all interim releases. |
| 14:20.58 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: Synaptic does not offer this functionality. |
| 14:21.00 | mlechner | hi, is it possible to create sftponly-chroot environment (/data/%u%/sftp) but allow a specific other user (foo) to mkdir in /data/ ? The problem is that ssh-chroot seems to force 0755 and root:root for /data/ . I thought about using ACLs and do a setfacl -m u:foo:rwx data while /data is rwxr-xr-x root:root . but this does not seem to work getfacl reports effective r-x for u:foo. Any idea? |
| 14:21.09 | abrotman | bullgard4: if you like ubuntu so much, why are you trying to use Debian? |
| 14:21.12 | jelly-home | bullgard4: I'd suggest using aptitude full-upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade with apt-listchanges installed, it's functionally equivalent but using just a terminal interface |
| 14:21.36 | babilen | TheWarden: That depends on your desktop environment or window manager. What do you use? |
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| 14:21.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: who says he likes it |
| 14:21.57 | abrotman | he wants to turn Debian into it ? |
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| 14:22.08 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: Yes, I will try that. Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it. |
| 14:22.10 | abrotman | bullgard4: you're using Deiban, not Ubuntu .. we have different tools |
| 14:22.10 | Hexeon | I think he's got a CVS repository on it. although I told him to get a backup of those files. Also there's an old internal website hosted on it which nobody looks at except that guy. I told him to get a backup of that site too but I dunno if he did it or not |
| 14:22.32 | TheWarden | babilen: well I'm using gnome with gdm3. Is the proper way to do this in Startup Applications? |
| 14:22.32 | jelly-home | abrotman: no, he wants a certain featureset he knows about from other distro. I'm just trying to fish out which feature exactly he's after |
| 14:22.33 | Iridos | actually we have the same tools a lot, too |
| 14:22.36 | abrotman | bullgard4: some are the same, some are not .. but you can't whine when the same thing isn't there |
| 14:22.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: and he was told twice? thrice? and still argued |
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| 14:23.39 | babilen | Hexeon: Why not create backups of all data (you should do that anyway) and ask that person if (s)he is still interested in those services? I am sure that getting a CVS repo and website running on Squeeze is less work than all the upgrades. But meh, why should I argue?! |
| 14:24.15 | Iridos | why not... I can also whine about all the stuff missing in windows :P |
| 14:24.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: noone explained or try to inquire what is it exactly he was missing... if the user is repeating themselves, they might actually be after something |
| 14:24.19 | babilen | TheWarden: Yes, exactly. |
| 14:24.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: docs are hard, let's go drinking .. |
| 14:24.35 | abrotman | or jsut trying .. |
| 14:24.55 | jelly-home | shrug |
| 14:25.02 | Iridos | drinking! |
| 14:25.14 | Iridos | but only small amounts and with people all of legal age! |
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| 14:25.55 | boudiccas | which pub are we meeting up in? and when? |
| 14:26.01 | Hexeon | jelly-home: so I am up to date with woody now? |
| 14:26.19 | TheWarden | babilen: oh okay, so this should be added into a file instead of using startup applications? |
| 14:26.22 | abrotman | boudiccas: i don't think anyone lives near you :) |
| 14:26.23 | jelly-home | Hexeon: dunno. Have you done an update and dist-upgrade? |
| 14:26.29 | Iridos | boudiccas, probably the #debian-offtopic pub |
| 14:26.57 | jelly-home | boudiccas: I think Ireland or Azores would be somewhat of a half-way point |
| 14:26.59 | boudiccas | boo, party poopers! :( |
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| 14:27.26 | babilen | TheWarden: No, not at all. I answered "Yes, exactly" to your "Is the proper way to do this in Startup Applications?" -- See, for example, http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/07/07/auto-hide-your-mouse-pointer-when-idle-with-unclutter/ for the general idea |
| 14:27.37 | Hexeon | jelly-home: yes. http://paste.debian.net/189562/ |
| 14:28.16 | jelly-home | Hexeon: you didn't really need webmin did you :-) |
| 14:28.31 | Hexeon | no. I didn't know webmin was on it |
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| 14:28.51 | jelly-home | Hexeon: which services do you have on there |
| 14:28.55 | Hexeon | I figure I can always install a new version later |
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| 14:29.22 | Hexeon | I think CVS and Apache |
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| 14:29.34 | jelly-home | Hexeon: static html pages apache? |
| 14:29.40 | Hexeon | yeah |
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| 14:29.56 | babilen | Hexeon: So this box has essentially only been used by a single person who hosts *one* CVS repo and static HTML website on it? |
| 14:30.11 | Hexeon | babilen: yes |
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| 14:30.31 | jelly-home | Hexeon: it would probably really be quicker to backup the cvs and web data and reinstall |
| 14:30.38 | TheWarden | babilen: I know, I just thought I would check. |
| 14:30.46 | babilen | Hexeon: I still think its a better idea to just install Squeeze on it and configure CVS and get apache running with that website. |
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| 14:32.13 | Hexeon | I know. but actually the entire machine will be removed at some point. It's the only Debian machine here so I thought I'd see what it's like to work with an old Debian box |
| 14:32.44 | Hexeon | he wants me to keep it up as long as I can though. so meanwhile I can do anything I want with it |
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| 14:33.09 | babilen | Hexeon: Sure, then follow "/msg dpkg woody->sarge" and <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> and finally <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 14:34.55 | Hexeon | it says 30% people have breakage from woody to sarge |
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| 14:36.28 | Cart_ | wheree is Debians SYSCONFIG file situated? |
| 14:36.49 | nsadmin | Hexeon then start by upgrading just the kernel |
| 14:36.49 | babilen | Cart_: What is a SYSCONFIG file? |
| 14:36.50 | boudiccas | in which version of debian? |
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| 14:37.12 | abrotman | Cart_: you mean for sysctl things? |
| 14:37.15 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 14:37.16 | abrotman | nevermind |
| 14:37.26 | abrotman | Cart_: depends on the app, or config you want to change |
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| 14:37.43 | Cart_ | well the command goes like this |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | babilen: /etc/sysconfig/ on RH/CentOS boxes .. |
| 14:37.57 | babilen | abrotman: Ah! |
| 14:37.58 | abrotman | i thnik that's what he's after |
| 14:38.21 | Cart_ | vi /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 |
| 14:38.32 | babilen | !tell Cart_ -about interfaces |
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| 14:38.37 | abrotman | Cart_: vi /etc/network/interfaces .. but the syntax is different |
| 14:38.38 | babilen | Cart_: Are you looking for that? |
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| 14:38.59 | Cart_ | ahh Debian thing |
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| 14:39.25 | abrotman | Cart_: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 14:39.49 | heoa | How can I see the version of my apache? |
| 14:40.08 | heoa | "httpd -v" -command does not exist in Debian |
| 14:40.09 | somiaj | heoa: dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 14:40.29 | Cart_ | manually assigning an IP address |
| 14:40.36 | babilen | heoa: Or "aptitude versions ~i~napache" |
| 14:40.44 | Cart_ | but its one that suppose to change verytime I boot up |
| 14:40.50 | abrotman | Cart_: following instructions for RH doesn't seem like a great idea .. |
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| 14:41.20 | Hexeon | http://paste.debian.net/189564/ |
| 14:41.21 | babilen | Cart_: You want to manually assign a different IP address during each boot? (I must misunderstand that, so please clarify) |
| 14:41.44 | Hexeon | what are all those can't stat lines? |
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| 14:42.06 | Cart_ | No..I just want it to reAssign it everytime it boots up essentually making it a static IP |
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| 14:42.55 | babilen | Cart_: What is assigning the IP in the first place? Why don't you just configure the interface as static from the start? |
| 14:43.14 | Cart_ | Have no clue how to : |
| 14:43.14 | nsadmin | Cart_, from your isp? dhcp? |
| 14:43.15 | Cart_ | : |
| 14:43.25 | Cart_ | nope only my Host comp |
| 14:44.08 | babilen | Hexeon: Could you paste the output of "ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/" please? Does "apt-get update" lead to a different result? |
| 14:44.57 | Cart_ | Ok...I want to set up a local Domain right...thats why I need to edit the DHCP thingy right? |
| 14:45.05 | Cart_ | accept I dont know which file to edit |
| 14:45.15 | babilen | Cart_: Please read http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and "/msg dpkg interfaces" (and the documentation mentioned in there) |
| 14:45.17 | Cart_ | cause the tutorials /etc/ file is different |
| 14:45.51 | babilen | Cart_: Which tutorial are you following? |
| 14:45.51 | Hexeon | http://paste.debian.net/189565/ |
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| 14:46.10 | Cart_ | Video of fedora..thought theyll all be the same on the Config level |
| 14:46.16 | Cart_ | I like Debian though |
| 14:47.01 | babilen | Hexeon: What does "ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/" give you now? Or "aptitude update" fwiw? Looks as if it is OK now. |
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| 14:47.49 | Hexeon | oh looks like it's okay now! |
| 14:47.53 | babilen | Cart_: No, there are significant differences between distributions. |
| 14:48.10 | Sevet | heoa: httpd is called apache2 on debian, apache2 -v works |
| 14:48.14 | jelly-home | Hexeon: a somewhat smart thing to do is run your upgrade process inside screen, and inside script, too |
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| 14:49.05 | jelly-home | screen ensures apt won't stop if your connection dies; script saves a log |
| 14:49.09 | Hexeon | inside screen? |
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| 14:49.27 | jelly-home | "screen" the utility |
| 14:49.39 | jelly-home | !screen |
| 14:49.40 | dpkg | screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add key bindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. See http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnuScreen to keep ctrl-a unbroken. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:51.02 | leirbag | is it possible to have icedove "14.0" or newer on debian unstable ? the last version in the repository seems to be 10.0 |
| 14:51.23 | Hexeon | oh cool |
| 14:51.24 | dkr | leirbag: http://mozilla.debian.net/ |
| 14:51.43 | leirbag | dkr: for icedove, it's the officiel repository :/ |
| 14:51.47 | nsadmin | is splitvt still around? |
| 14:52.13 | dkr | leirbag: ah, yeah, just noticed that. I'd only used it for iceweasel so far |
| 14:52.15 | babilen | Hexeon: I can also strongly recommend to actually read and follow the release notes. See "/msg dpkg etch release notes" for the ones that were published for etch. In particular http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html will be of interest. (likewise for the following releases) |
| 14:52.24 | leirbag | dkr: yeap, me too :) |
| 14:52.32 | nsadmin | , v splitvt |
| 14:52.33 | judd | Package: splitvt on i386 -- lenny: 1.6.6-7; squeeze: 1.6.6-7; sid: 1.6.6-11; wheezy: 1.6.6-11 |
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| 14:55.51 | Hexeon | reading release notes of sarge |
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| 14:56.27 | babilen | Hexeon: Err, yes. Sure! :) |
| 14:56.42 | Hexeon | major kernel update to 2.6.8. is that a big improvement over what I have, 2.6.2? |
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| 14:56.57 | Sm0ke0ut | read the changelog I would say |
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| 14:57.29 | babilen | Hexeon: You eventually want to upgrade to 2.6.32, but 2.6.8 is the kernel version you should upgrade to at this point. |
| 14:57.52 | Hexeon | oh. non-US obsoleted. I was wondering why it only gave me 2 instead of 3 |
| 14:57.58 | Hexeon | for sources |
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| 14:58.26 | crtxc | t.y. all |
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| 14:59.00 | boudiccas | are you rebooting asfter each update? |
| 14:59.14 | boudiccas | damn it! |
| 14:59.30 | boudiccas | Hexeon: are you rebooting after each update? |
| 14:59.38 | Hexeon | do I need to reboot? I didn't after woody. but it didn't really replace anything with newer version |
| 15:00.13 | babilen | Hexeon: Yes, you have to as you install (among a couple of other things) new kernel versions. |
| 15:00.18 | boudiccas | Hexeon: its advisable too, so that you can sort out any problems that have developed without them accumulating to one big mess |
| 15:00.31 | Hexeon | oh. it didn't update kernel last time. I'll reboot after sarge |
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| 15:00.59 | kjalil | hello, my debian guest is running fine with networking on top of a debian host, however if I use 'virt-install' to install a new one, it keeps telling me I've given it a bad mirror even though the mirror supports 'squeeze'. Has anyone seen this before? |
| 15:01.05 | kjalil | I was thinking networking might be broken but there is no 'ping' command within the debian installer's shell so I can't debug that |
| 15:01.28 | oggei | but there is wget |
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| 15:01.55 | nsadmin | yeah, what the heck is up with that?! the installer should have ping |
| 15:02.23 | boudiccas | kjalil: which debian installer? for which version of debian? |
| 15:02.51 | kjalil | oggei: thanks, I get "Connecting to ftp.nl.debian.org (130.89.149.21:80)" and then it times out |
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| 15:03.25 | Hexeon | the release note for sarge mentions a "completely new installation system," does it mean aptitude? |
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| 15:03.35 | kjalil | boudiccas: i'm trying to use virt-install on squeeze to install a squeeze guest. I'm referring to the text based installed I guess |
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| 15:04.23 | Sevet | hexeon: i think it means debian-installer (ie when installing from a cd) |
| 15:04.25 | nsadmin | probably that's the first release that used debian-installer |
| 15:04.57 | Hexeon | it says the old system is called "boot-floppies" |
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| 15:05.22 | kjalil | I'm just using virt-install with "--location=http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/" |
| 15:05.27 | kjalil | what does that use? |
| 15:05.34 | nsadmin | Hexeon, yes,that's the old one |
| 15:06.06 | nsadmin | boot-floppies was harder to build, harder to maintain and harder to customize |
| 15:06.07 | heoa | Sevet: somiaj babilen # aptitude versions ~i~napache # dpkg -l | grep apache # apache2 -v <--- which one would you recommend? I like 'dpkg -l', which you prefer? |
| 15:06.50 | Sevet | boot-floppies hasn't existed since etch, dpkg says the linux kernel got too large to get onto a floppy for the installer |
| 15:07.43 | boudiccas | Hexeon: i think you should reboot before you do the next upgrade, just to make sure that the box is still bootable |
| 15:08.44 | oggei | kjalil: so you don't have complete networking to this box |
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| 15:09.13 | oggei | debugging that is beyond debian i think |
| 15:09.51 | kjalil | oggei: the installer pops up, asks me about networking, I input what I *know* will work, it tries to connect to the NL mirror, times out. I then use the "shell" option to get a console |
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| 15:10.42 | kjalil | but I wish there was a ping or ssh, etc to help me more than just wget |
| 15:10.53 | Sevet | kjalil: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_ping_not_available_in_the_debug_shell |
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| 15:12.11 | Sevet | the fact it resolves ftp.nl.debian.org to 130.89.149.21 is promising |
| 15:12.23 | oggei | kjalil: there is really no need in having ping or ssh, wget is really sufficient, period. If you *know* your setup is working then try to convince the machine and you will be done :) |
| 15:12.33 | Hexeon | okay. let me reboot it before upgrading to sarge |
| 15:12.45 | Sevet | try another mirror (even if it's in another country perhaps there's a routing issue to the nl one) |
| 15:13.00 | kjalil | Sevet: thanks, makes sense I guess. I'm pretty sure now that I need iptables :-( It seems the other guest on the same box that DOES work is using iptables to DNAT to a squid proxy :-) |
| 15:13.14 | kjalil | that's why that works, and this doesn't |
| 15:13.22 | kjalil | of course there is no iptables when installing :-( |
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| 15:13.36 | oggei | Sevet: you don't know if kjalil operate a dns on his lan, maybe he can resolve for that reason |
| 15:14.24 | menace | hey, i have an installation script, which i want to automate with expect. but after some user input, the script does not install the files of the installation program, but outputs every data... any idea why that/what happens? |
| 15:14.29 | kjalil | oggei: it's fine, pretty sure iptables is the solution for me but impossible to achieve. I might need a local mirror and NOT use that squid host |
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| 15:15.03 | oggei | kjalil: if you need iptables on machine you're *installing*, then simply you are doing it wrong ... |
| 15:15.48 | oggei | maybe you can try to take your time thinking how to improve your env ... |
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| 15:23.07 | vadimkolchev | hi all |
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| 15:25.36 | jhutchins_wk | kjalil: The client never needs iptables, just the NAT server. |
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| 15:26.00 | Hexeon | "Important! You should not upgrade using telnet, rlogin, rsh, or from an X session managed by xdm, gdm or kdm etc on the machine you are upgrading. That is because each of those services may well be terminated during the upgrade, which can result in an inaccessible system that is only half-upgraded. " Does that include ssh? |
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| 15:26.05 | jhutchins_wk | kjalil: The installer knows how to deal with a squid proxy. |
| 15:26.52 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: Yeah, it does really. Even screen gets terminated. |
| 15:27.05 | Hexeon | oh okay |
| 15:27.09 | nsadmin | Hexeon, ime, ssh connections stay up even if the server is taken down. do you need ssh? why? |
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| 15:27.25 | alex- | I did sudo unmount --bind /home/alex/i/ alexfolder/ |
| 15:27.27 | alex- | How can i undo it? |
| 15:27.45 | Hexeon | that's how I remote into the server |
| 15:27.48 | jhutchins_wk | alex-: No need to, there's no such command. |
| 15:27.50 | nsadmin | alex-, "unmount" is not a command |
| 15:28.17 | nsadmin | you would expect that to be the command, byt they misspelled the true command |
| 15:28.33 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: Would you do ssh + screen or just ssh? |
| 15:28.37 | alex- | erm |
| 15:28.39 | alex- | i did mount |
| 15:28.41 | alex- | copied the wrong command |
| 15:29.01 | nsadmin | alex-, what do you want to do? |
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| 15:29.08 | jhutchins_wk | alex-: man umount |
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| 15:29.48 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, there seems to be a difference of opinion... I've noticed my sessions stay up, other people say they go away... which is true? |
| 15:29.51 | Sevet | jhutchins_wk: screen doesn't get terminated by an upgrade, it's what i use for remote upgrades |
| 15:29.58 | alex- | nsadmin: I want to undo sudo mount --bind /home/alex/i/ alexfolder/ |
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| 15:30.16 | Hexeon | I told it to restart but the server hasn't come back up yet. weird |
| 15:30.40 | Sevet | however squeeze->wheezy does make a change to screen that means you can't reconnect to sessions started by the old version of screen - if it detects any running it copies the old screen binary to /tmp/ so you can still reconnect to them after the upgrade |
| 15:30.59 | nsadmin | alex-, so umount /home/alex/i/ |
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| 15:31.33 | Sevet | hexeon: that could be because of a number of bootup problems - bios errors, bootloader errors, file system errors etc |
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| 15:32.00 | Sevet | if it's an old system that's not been rebooted for a while then it's likely fsck is doing a scan of the disk because it's been more than N days since it was last checked |
| 15:32.07 | nsadmin | Hexeon, what's your present /etc/debian_version |
| 15:32.56 | alex- | nsadmin: How do I give www-data access to my folder? |
| 15:33.09 | Sevet | alex-: chown+chmod |
| 15:33.28 | nsadmin | you mean www-data the group? |
| 15:33.31 | alex- | no idea |
| 15:33.34 | Sevet | *chgrp |
| 15:33.40 | alex- | I want my webserver to access my home folder |
| 15:33.53 | nsadmin | for what reason? |
| 15:34.06 | alex- | to access some files i have |
| 15:34.20 | alex- | I want to be able to reach it from my webapp |
| 15:35.08 | nsadmin | there's a module for apache (mod-homedir or something like that) then you make a dir ~you/public_html |
| 15:35.20 | nsadmin | then you copy any files you want into that dir |
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| 15:35.42 | Sevet | mod_userdir |
| 15:35.53 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 15:36.25 | alex- | can't it be done with chown? |
| 15:36.28 | alex- | or chmod |
| 15:36.29 | Sevet | it'd be a bad idea to give them access to the entire folder - it'd include any private data, ssh private keys etc |
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| 15:36.37 | Sevet | you need a combination of things |
| 15:36.41 | boudiccas | Hexeon: better you know the box has reboot problems now than after two upgrdes and without a reboot in between |
| 15:36.58 | alex- | How I have it now is; /home/username/domain/ |
| 15:37.09 | Sevet | chgrp+chmod to let apache read the folder, mod_userdir to make http://yourserver/~user access /home/user/public_html |
| 15:37.11 | alex- | so if you visit domain.com/file.php you will get /home/username/domain.com/file.php |
| 15:37.33 | alex- | I don't like youserver/~user |
| 15:37.47 | alex- | I want multiple domains |
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| 15:38.02 | alex- | But what I want now is giving www-data access to another home folder |
| 15:38.08 | alex- | (which basically is only for apache read) |
| 15:38.10 | Sevet | you can have it use a different folder on each domain |
| 15:38.18 | alex- | I upload images to the folder |
| 15:38.20 | alex- | and then they are on my website |
| 15:38.54 | Sevet | any reason you don't want to use /var/www? |
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| 15:39.11 | xp2 | hello all |
| 15:39.45 | xp2 | how to run 2 application on debian console? |
| 15:40.03 | xp2 | at the same time |
| 15:40.32 | xp2 | help me ! |
| 15:40.45 | alex- | xp2: no, they are helping me first |
| 15:41.02 | alex- | Sevet: I don't like to use sudo every time I want to edit my website |
| 15:41.09 | alex- | and I can't use sudo when I login to sftp |
| 15:41.12 | oggei | rotfl |
| 15:41.30 | Sevet | alex: so add your user to the www-data group |
| 15:41.43 | alex- | xp2: use screen or tmux |
| 15:41.56 | alex- | Sevet: why should I do that? |
| 15:42.06 | Sevet | because that's the correct way to do it |
| 15:42.27 | alex- | so i should use /var/www/username/domain/ ? |
| 15:42.39 | ChrisH | xp2: define more what you mean by: 2 application on debian console. If they use start scripts, they will simply be started. if you need interaction either use different virtuell console like tty1 and tty2 or screen. |
| 15:43.13 | Sevet | depends on what the url is, is it user-specific stuff or domain-specific stuff |
| 15:43.48 | Sevet | domain-specific stuff use /var/www/domain and control access through the group (www-data or a custom one containing www-data user and your user), user-specific stuff use mod_userdir |
| 15:44.36 | alex- | users have domains |
| 15:44.53 | Sevet | (http://yourserver/~user -> /home/username/public_html is only the most common setup, it is configurable, and per-domain too http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_userdir.html) |
| 15:45.09 | alex- | I don't like to do that, because I have to put everything into 1 folder then |
| 15:45.16 | alex- | like http://yourserver/~alex/domain/ |
| 15:45.26 | alex- | I prefer http://domain/ |
| 15:46.10 | Cart_ | Does the "ifdown eth0" command work in Debian ? |
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| 15:47.14 | ChrisH | Cart_: depending on your definitionof "work" Its expected to unconfigure a configured eth0 |
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| 15:47.57 | Cart_ | The way I understand it is its just suppose to switch a device "eth0" off or on |
| 15:47.58 | ververe | The way I understand it is its just suppose to switch a device "eth0" off or on |
| 15:48.02 | ververe | how to restart Tor service? |
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| 15:48.25 | Cart_ | with say .... in root # ifdown |
| 15:48.26 | ververe | with say .... in root # ifdown |
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| 15:48.32 | Cart_ | with say .... in root # ifdown eth0 |
| 15:48.32 | ververe | with say .... in root # ifdown eth0 |
| 15:48.34 | alex- | ververe: stop repeating Cart_ please |
| 15:48.34 | ververe | ververe: stop repeating Cart_ please |
| 15:48.40 | alex- | !ops |
| 15:48.41 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 15:48.41 | ververe | !ops |
| 15:48.41 | ververe | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 15:48.49 | Cart_ | O.o |
| 15:48.49 | ververe | O.o |
| 15:48.52 | alex- | !ops ververe (aka MoZaHeM) is copying my messages |
| 15:48.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: alex- complains about: ververe (aka MoZaHeM) is copying my messages |
| 15:48.53 | ververe | !ops ververe (aka MoZaHeM) is copying my messages |
| 15:48.55 | ververe | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: alex- complains about: ververe (aka MoZaHeM) is copying my messages |
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| 15:49.06 | Pici | (had the same problem with it in #ubuntu, fwiw) |
| 15:49.06 | ververe | (had the same problem with it in #ubuntu, fwiw) |
| 15:49.07 | Sevet | alex-: so your user has the entire domain? then either /var/www/domain or /var/www/username/domain (it's up to you) and create a new group containing the www-data and your user to access it |
| 15:49.07 | ververe | alex-: so your user has the entire domain? then either /var/www/domain or /var/www/username/domain (it's up to you) and create a new group containing the www-data and your user to access it |
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| 15:49.22 | alex- | thanks niko |
| 15:49.26 | Sevet | ververe: ? |
| 15:49.30 | Cart_ | Weird |
| 15:49.49 | alex- | Sevet: how do I prevent people breaking out from their /var/www/username/ dir? |
| 15:50.20 | Sevet | by giving them each their own groups, instead of using www-data |
| 15:50.29 | Cart_ | Ok soo..back to my question |
| 15:50.52 | Cart_ | using command : #ifdown eth0 doesnt seem to work it says |
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| 15:51.28 | ChrisH | Cart_: pastebin ifconfig -a and the ifdown eth0 |
| 15:51.36 | Cart_ | ifdown: interface eth0 not configured |
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| 15:52.15 | Cart_ | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 15:52.17 | Cart_ | ops |
| 15:52.19 | Cart_ | sorry wrong one |
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| 15:52.48 | Cart_ | ones in Vritual machien :\ |
| 15:52.51 | Cart_ | machine` |
| 15:52.53 | Sevet | alex-: or stepping back much better... make /var/www/username (and everything below) owned by username:www-data |
| 15:53.04 | alex- | Hmm |
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| 15:53.11 | alex- | And where can they store their own files then? |
| 15:53.15 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.04 | Sevet | (usually i give access to groups of users at a time, but if each domain is only owned by 1 user then that'd work fine) |
| 15:54.22 | Sevet | what files do you mean by their own files? |
| 15:54.22 | alex- | Dunno |
| 15:54.30 | alex- | I want to access my friend his domain also |
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| 15:55.02 | Sevet | in that case you'd want a new group owning that domain containing www-data, your friend's user and your own user |
| 15:55.23 | Sevet | (you could still use username:www-data on all the other domains so you don't need as many groups) |
| 15:55.32 | nsadmin | alex-, yer starting to make this fairly complex |
| 15:55.52 | alex- | Yes :D |
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| 15:56.34 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.47 | alex- | now i locked down the user from his directory |
| 15:56.49 | alex- | ... |
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| 15:57.44 | alex- | sudo chown -R alex:www-data i/ |
| 15:57.47 | alex- | you mean like how i have it now? |
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| 15:58.23 | nsadmin | you want to lock users into their own dir so they don't have access to others... and then, you want access to theirs? |
| 15:58.33 | alex- | Lets start again |
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| 15:58.51 | alex- | I have it now like /home/username/domain/ |
| 15:58.51 | nsadmin | if you do, then: |
| 15:58.54 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 15:58.55 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 15:59.04 | alex- | I want an user to be able to store files in /home/username/ |
| 15:59.07 | alex- | just normal files |
| 15:59.13 | alex- | but he may not go out of /home/username |
| 15:59.15 | alex- | he may not view /home/ |
| 15:59.22 | nsadmin | stop right there |
| 15:59.24 | alex- | preferably only sftp |
| 15:59.35 | Sevet | the issue with putting web files into /home/username/domain |
| 15:59.52 | Sevet | is the web server must be able to read / /home /home/username as well as /home/username/domain to get to that folder |
| 16:00.01 | alex- | Yes |
| 16:00.02 | Sevet | hence the security problem of doing so... |
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| 16:00.04 | alex- | hmm |
| 16:00.10 | alex- | What should I do then? |
| 16:00.15 | alex- | I still want people to have 1 login accoutn |
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| 16:00.26 | alex- | and not having to switch accounts or something to switch between files and websites |
| 16:00.29 | Sevet | and the permissions required would be the same as putting them under /var/www/, without the risk of opening up /home/user |
| 16:00.36 | nsadmin | alex-, so, maybe you do NOT want to have the web server read home dirs |
| 16:00.48 | nsadmin | not at all, period |
| 16:01.25 | alex- | Hmm |
| 16:01.35 | alex- | So how can I let them switch between /home/username/ and /var/www/username/domain ? |
| 16:01.36 | pippin | why not make the user subdirs on the webserver just be symlinks in the homedirs of the users? |
| 16:01.46 | alex- | mount --bind |
| 16:01.48 | alex- | ? |
| 16:01.57 | nsadmin | is the domain to be owned by the user? |
| 16:02.02 | alex- | owned? |
| 16:02.13 | nsadmin | and the files in the domain |
| 16:02.25 | nsadmin | yes, owned |
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| 16:03.58 | Hexeon | Okay. I did everything release notes suggested. and it says to use "aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade" too, instead of just "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
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| 16:04.56 | Hexeon | it will take couple hours for it to download all the packages |
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| 16:05.07 | nsadmin | Hexeon, I tend to disagree with "with-recommends", that would be a LOT of bloat |
| 16:05.37 | Hexeon | size reported seems to be about the same |
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| 16:06.06 | alex- | so /var/www/domain/ |
| 16:06.11 | nsadmin | really? what's the actual difference? |
| 16:06.13 | alex- | and /home/username/ |
| 16:06.15 | alex- | right? |
| 16:06.21 | babilen | nsadmin: It is, however, explicitly mentioned in 4.5.4 in the release notes. |
| 16:06.47 | Hexeon | I forgot. like without was like, 300 something, I forgot, maybe about 320MB. with it, something like 380MB |
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| 16:07.01 | nsadmin | babilen, that may be true. is it not true that recommends are optional? |
| 16:08.01 | babilen | nsadmin: They should be installed in all but the most obscure cases. |
| 16:08.04 | nsadmin | Hexeon, so, 60 mb is the approx difference |
| 16:08.16 | nsadmin | so that would make them depends |
| 16:08.34 | Hexeon | probably optional. I dunno. I just did what the release notes said. checking packages for hold and such before upgrade, and some other stuff. |
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| 16:09.34 | babilen | nsadmin: Well, not really. Recommendations are defined as "strong, but not absolute, dependency" -- It should be assumed that they are installed by default (and this is indeed the default behaviour) -- See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 16:09.51 | Hexeon | aptitude didn't report anything on hold. but dpkg reported like 4 packages on hold. took me a while to find out how to get rid of those hold. not sure if it was actually needed to cause I am doing the upgrade with aptitude. |
| 16:10.10 | nsadmin | Hexeon, so, there you have probably all the info you need to make a decision... if you have the space and don't mind the time, install them... didn't you say this is a remote? |
| 16:10.16 | babilen | !tell Hexeon -about hold |
| 16:10.48 | alex- | nsadmin: /home/username/ and then symlinks or mount --bind /var/domain/ ? |
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| 16:11.33 | Hexeon | if a package is reported on hold by dpkg but not aptitude, if I do aptitude dist-upgrade, does it get upgraded? |
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| 16:12.52 | Hexeon | yeah I'd say like a 50MB difference probably |
| 16:13.18 | Hexeon | it was more like 330MB without recommends |
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| 16:14.33 | somiaj | heoa: for just looking for the version of the package installed, they are both the same, I like dpkg myself as i is faster and the lower level tool. Though with aptitude you can get much better searches and even see more info about the package. |
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| 16:15.09 | babilen | somiaj: s/dpkg/apt-get/ ? |
| 16:15.30 | babilen | somiaj: nvm :) |
| 16:15.35 | Hexeon | I tried using dselect, it says something about failed to build a base list or something like that. I forgot the exact thing it said. but it just quits |
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| 16:15.49 | babilen | hasn't used dselect in ages |
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| 16:15.51 | Zeeflo | Hello guys, hope your day is good :) |
| 16:16.09 | Zeeflo | I have a dream! (more of an idea)! |
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| 16:16.44 | babilen | Zeeflo: Please discuss it in #debian-offtopic or #defocus (unless it is a Debian related support question) :) |
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| 16:18.02 | Zeeflo | lets say that my neighbour has a windows server.. Could I make it tunnel (or something) to (or through) my homeserver and make his server a part of my LAN, so that he could use my homeserver (debian wheezy) acting as a Serviio (or other dlna service)? |
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| 16:18.08 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, welcome to debian support... how can we support you? |
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| 16:19.13 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, if you can get a physical connection between the two, the neighbor could be part of your lan |
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| 16:19.37 | Zeeflo | nsadmin, were connected through the same LAN in our uhm... |
| 16:19.46 | Zeeflo | apartment building |
| 16:20.09 | nsadmin | so it's already as you describe |
| 16:20.12 | Zeeflo | were both on the same internal apartment lan or how ever you say |
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| 16:20.30 | nsadmin | and to use your name server, all he has to do is edit a file |
| 16:20.48 | Zeeflo | yea, he has to edit his network settings.. |
| 16:20.55 | Zeeflo | but do I install stunnel or? |
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| 16:21.21 | Zeeflo | nsadmin how, in short terms, do i do this? |
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| 16:21.31 | Zeeflo | if you give me the idea, ill figure it out :) |
| 16:21.32 | nsadmin | right. that means: he chooses whether he wants to use the name server, and you have the choice of whether to allow that |
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| 16:21.49 | Zeeflo | so, i install nameservice on my debian server? |
| 16:22.01 | Zeeflo | is that enough? |
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| 16:23.48 | Zeeflo | ? |
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| 16:25.07 | babilen | Zeeflo: A DLNA server such as rygel would probably be needed if you want to offer that service. |
| 16:25.25 | nsadmin | is this for the apartment lan? or, do you have a separate lan? |
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| 16:25.34 | Zeeflo | atm i am using serviio |
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| 16:26.09 | nsadmin | ok, and is it enough of a PHYSICAL connection for both of you to be on the apartment lan? |
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| 16:26.49 | Hexeon | mmmm it's download kde and koffice. I didn't know those were installed. The server boots to commandline |
| 16:26.52 | Zeeflo | yes, were both plugged into the wall with! |
| 16:27.00 | Hexeon | *downloading |
| 16:27.14 | Zeeflo | so were both on the same sublan |
| 16:27.19 | Zeeflo | or whatcha call it |
| 16:27.49 | nsadmin | you said, "and make it a part of my lan" |
| 16:28.15 | nsadmin | do you have a SEPARATE lan apart from the apt lan? |
| 16:28.27 | babilen | Zeeflo: Can't help you with Serviio as it doesn't seem to be packaged for Debian unfortunately. |
| 16:28.56 | Zeeflo | nsadmin: yea we both have our own routers |
| 16:29.12 | Zeeflo | babilen, thats ok, im all over serviio :) |
| 16:29.41 | daviss776 | hello, can someone help me with installing latest transmission from experimental on squeeze? |
| 16:30.16 | Zeeflo | so, I could maybe even configure his router to use my debian server as ns server for IP etc? |
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| 16:30.33 | Zeeflo | that would make his pc a part of my private lan, would it? |
| 16:30.45 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Is there a connection between your two systems, or are they both just connected to the internet via routers? |
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| 16:31.05 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: That's probably not going to work. |
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| 16:31.32 | Zeeflo | jhutchins: were both connected to the internet via routers, but through the same apartement building lan |
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| 16:31.47 | Zeeflo | do you know what I mean? |
| 16:32.18 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: What you probably need to do is establish a VPN between the two routers so the systems _inside_ the routers apear to be on the same network. |
| 16:32.34 | Zeeflo | its not that we wouldnt need our routers.. IF we wanted to, we could just plug our cable straight into the wall (rj45) and be online |
| 16:32.40 | Zeeflo | Yea |
| 16:32.52 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk: that sounds kinda right |
| 16:33.20 | Zeeflo | what services would I need to install to create that kind of vpn? |
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| 16:34.17 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, do your IPs start with 10, 172 or 192? |
| 16:34.30 | Zeeflo | the subnet ips start with 10 |
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| 16:34.39 | Zeeflo | private lan ip's start with 192 |
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| 16:34.47 | black_13 | is the preseed system in ubuntu the same for debian |
| 16:34.56 | Zeeflo | I have a public IP assigned to my 10. ip though |
| 16:35.00 | kerio | hi all, i have a weird question about apt |
| 16:35.02 | nsadmin | black_13, no idea |
| 16:35.19 | jhutchins_wk | Double NAT! I'll bet that causes some headaches. |
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| 16:35.22 | kerio | is there a way to set a priority for packages whose version ends in "-thumb*"? |
| 16:35.23 | boudiccas | black-13; how would we know? we run debian not ubuntu |
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| 16:36.33 | kerio | i'm trying to pin by version in /etc/apt/preferences, but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 16:36.35 | kerio | :( |
| 16:36.36 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: It would be best if the routers could establish the VPN - many have that option. Otherwise you would need a VPN server and the ability for the router to pass the connection to your server. |
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| 16:36.58 | jelly-home | black_13: there are not many people activewly using both debian and ubuntu. Try asking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server |
| 16:37.32 | Zeeflo | could my server not act as a VPN server and pass him through to my private lan? |
| 16:37.48 | Zeeflo | and assign 192. ip etc etc |
| 16:37.48 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, do you also have a personal lan (in which are machines in your room)? |
| 16:37.55 | jhutchins_wk | Yes, if the router will forward the VPN port. |
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| 16:38.07 | Zeeflo | i can forward ports, yes |
| 16:38.19 | Zeeflo | nsadmin, yes, i do have a personal lan yes |
| 16:38.31 | Zeeflo | a rather extensive one in fact :) |
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| 16:39.28 | Zeeflo | basically, what were thinking, is that he can use my media server (serviio) instead of him going out and buying his own server to host multimedia.. |
| 16:39.48 | Zeeflo | and since were using the same 100mbit sublan 10. |
| 16:39.55 | nsadmin | is that inside your private lan? |
| 16:39.57 | Zeeflo | i was thinking, this MUST be possible! |
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| 16:40.48 | Zeeflo | actually the sub lan is 10gbit |
| 16:41.02 | Zeeflo | but the ports to the apartment is "only" 100mbit |
| 16:41.03 | nsadmin | what is the device that routes between the 10. and your priv lan? |
| 16:41.21 | Zeeflo | its some big ass routers down in the cellars |
| 16:41.22 | Zeeflo | :D |
| 16:42.18 | nsadmin | so you don't use your own device to route between the 10. and your 192.? |
| 16:42.20 | Zeeflo | imagine it being some kind og big ass collage lan |
| 16:42.28 | Zeeflo | yes i do nsadmin |
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| 16:42.33 | Zeeflo | i have a private router |
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| 16:42.38 | Zeeflo | so does he |
| 16:42.54 | Zeeflo | i have alot of machines hooked up on my router.. |
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| 16:44.27 | nsadmin | one thing, you have no control over the connection speed thru the apartment lan |
| 16:44.41 | Zeeflo | no, i dont |
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| 16:45.12 | Zeeflo | but I do know that the access points/routers/what ever in the basements, have 10gbit full duplex backplanes! |
| 16:45.17 | Zeeflo | so it shouldnt be a problem :) |
| 16:46.00 | Zeeflo | when I FTP a file to him, its a constant stream of 100-120mbit |
| 16:46.03 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: You could just forward the connection from his router to your media server port, wouldn't necessarily need a VPN. |
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| 16:46.45 | Zeeflo | jhutchins, forward which connection from him? |
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| 16:47.14 | mosno | can somebody please tell me what user polkitd runs as on stable? |
| 16:47.18 | mosno | and/or testing |
| 16:48.20 | Zeeflo | Let me ask in another way.. |
| 16:48.29 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Whatever port advertizes the media server. |
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| 16:48.55 | Zeeflo | Couldnt I just set up VPN on my server, and make his network card connect to my vpn, thus becoming a part of my lan? |
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| 16:49.00 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: That way your router will appear to be running the media server and he can presumably see your router. |
| 16:49.16 | Zeeflo | aha |
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| 16:49.22 | Zeeflo | i think I see your point |
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| 16:49.28 | nsadmin | if you use that lan for media, (1) the apartment mgrs don't need to provide you with additional bandwidth, and (without additional effort) can't go above the 100mb bw they have installed... (b) if you're serving media stream files over that 100mb line, it's very easy to max it out... |
| 16:49.37 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Yes, you could also create a VPN tunnel between your two LANs and that would probably allow auto-discovery of your server. |
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| 16:49.59 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, wouldnt that be our best bet? |
| 16:50.35 | Zeeflo | but I do see what you mean with forwarding his port to my public/subnet ip |
| 16:50.43 | jhutchins_wk | It depends. Just forwarding the port is easier. |
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| 16:51.25 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: No, you forward the port on your router to your internal server. |
| 16:51.27 | TheWarden | what is the main purpose of the directory /user/local/src/? |
| 16:51.49 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: locally installed source code? |
| 16:52.10 | Zeeflo | nsadmin: when I monitor the bandwidth when serving mkv streams on my internal lan, it hardly ever gets over 10mbit.. |
| 16:52.16 | Zeeflo | so It should not max out.. |
| 16:52.18 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: Well I thought maybe but wasn't sure... so just thought I would ask. |
| 16:52.40 | Zeeflo | even when playing a 1080p with a 15000+ bitrate, I never get over 50 mbit |
| 16:52.43 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: There's a reference for the Linux File Hierarchy Standard somewhere... |
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| 16:53.17 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: oh really, well that would be handy. |
| 16:53.25 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, I have done that.. |
| 16:53.37 | jhutchins_wk | If dpkg knows about it I can't find the trigger. |
| 16:53.38 | Zeeflo | But he would still need to forward his port to me, wouldnt he? |
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| 16:54.41 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Probably not. He connects to the port on your system. Usually any connection he would originate from his system to yours is "established" and is passed through his router. |
| 16:55.09 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, so that's pretty often about 10% of the total available bandwidth? |
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| 16:55.16 | Zeeflo | nsadmin yes |
| 16:55.17 | viller | weird question: can someone guesstimate when debian will have (e)glibc > 2.13? |
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| 16:55.32 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, how many apts in the building? |
| 16:55.48 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: On a switched network that would be dedicated bandwidth from each router to the main router/switch. |
| 16:55.52 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, im missing the link where he is supposed to see my media server, by my just forwarding a port.. |
| 16:56.10 | Zeeflo | nsadmin, 24 apartments per switch |
| 16:56.27 | babilen | viller: It already does -- http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eglibc.html |
| 16:56.29 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: You forward the port that he connects to to request the stream. It looks like your router is the system running the media server, but it's just forwarding the connection to your server. |
| 16:57.16 | Zeeflo | jhutchins, how will his PS3 or Western Digital live TV see my media server (serviio) if he is not a part of my private lan? |
| 16:57.18 | Zeeflo | thats what I mean.. |
| 16:57.34 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: Media streaming is frequently done over 802.11g these days. |
| 16:57.50 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Can they see your router? |
| 16:57.56 | Zeeflo | no |
| 16:57.57 | nsadmin | isn't that 54mb/sec? |
| 16:58.02 | Zeeflo | we cannot see each others routers |
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| 16:58.13 | jhutchins_wk | How do you transfer files? |
| 16:58.17 | Zeeflo | so, I think our only bet is PPTP |
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| 16:58.21 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, FTP |
| 16:58.32 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: How do you connect? |
| 16:58.36 | viller | babilen: I see 2.13 on that page, I asked > 2.13 not >= 2.13 :P |
| 16:58.44 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, connect to what? |
| 16:58.56 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, if you can't see each other's routers, how can you transfer anything? |
| 16:58.57 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: To the system to request the ftp? |
| 16:59.18 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, your question may be mine as well |
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| 16:59.45 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, I run vsftpd on my server, he runs a ftp client,.. He opens the client and connects to my vstpf |
| 16:59.47 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, I run vsftpd on my server, he runs a ftp client,.. He opens the client and connects to my vstpd |
| 16:59.48 | jhutchins_wk | considers lunch. |
| 16:59.56 | Zeeflo | lunch= |
| 16:59.58 | Zeeflo | ? |
| 17:00.03 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: So he can already see your server? |
| 17:00.04 | nsadmin | fuud |
| 17:00.05 | Zeeflo | its 19 :) |
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| 17:00.18 | jhutchins_wk | In Denmark yes. |
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| 17:00.25 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, he can connect to my server through ftp yes |
| 17:00.31 | Zeeflo | and thats it |
| 17:00.40 | Zeeflo | thats all the connection we have to each other |
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| 17:00.51 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: what address does he use to connect? |
| 17:00.59 | Zeeflo | he uses my external ip |
| 17:01.08 | Zeeflo | which is based on the internal 10. |
| 17:01.14 | dkarampi | hello. My monitor supports 1900x1200 resolution, however the best available option according to xrandr is 1600x1200. Any idea how to fix that ? |
| 17:01.30 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: So it sounds like that is the address of the router, which he CAN see, and it's fowarding ftp to your server. |
| 17:01.30 | Zeeflo | in my router, I define a static IP, and nameserver and so on |
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| 17:01.50 | jhutchins_wk | dkarampi: graphics card with more RAM, higher resolution. |
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| 17:02.57 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, question: if I tell his computer to tunnel to my debian server via PPTP, will he then not become a part of my LAN? |
| 17:03.15 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: No, but he'll have a route to it. |
| 17:03.15 | Zeeflo | and then access the internet through my lan.. |
| 17:03.20 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 17:03.36 | Zeeflo | ok.. |
| 17:03.39 | nsadmin | what kind of connection do you have thru the static ip? |
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| 17:03.52 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: You can do it either way, all traffic through VPN, or just traffic for your net through VPN. Windows defaults to the first optio, but can do the second. |
| 17:04.12 | nsadmin | is it the same 100mb apartment lan? |
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| 17:04.55 | Zeeflo | what if I installed a second NIC in my debian server |
| 17:05.03 | Zeeflo | and made it a ns server... |
| 17:05.07 | Zeeflo | ns service |
| 17:05.18 | nsadmin | what would you connect it to? |
| 17:05.29 | Zeeflo | could he then connect directly to my lan? |
| 17:05.34 | Zeeflo | i would make my home server act as a router.. |
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| 17:05.53 | Zeeflo | if pptp cant do it, im thinking what the hell can.. |
| 17:06.22 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: All DNS does is translate hostnames to IP addresses, has nothing to do with connectivity. |
| 17:06.25 | babilen | viller: Ah, sorry. I am not sure what the plans of glibc-maintainer's are. You might want to ask on http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/ |
| 17:06.32 | dkarampi | jhutchins_wk, so this is not enough: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt-430 |
| 17:06.34 | dkarampi | ? |
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| 17:06.59 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, i think you get the basic idea of what we want to do.. and how were on the same building sub lan.. |
| 17:07.06 | Zeeflo | Just tell me what to do :D |
| 17:07.09 | Zeeflo | god damnit :D |
| 17:07.11 | Zeeflo | hehe |
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| 17:07.18 | viller | babilen: thanks. I don't really want to go complaining there but it's a bit sad that even unstable is lagging so much |
| 17:08.01 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, route an extra wire between the two apartments and try to do 1000baseT |
| 17:08.09 | jhutchins_wk | dkarampi: According to the specs that can do 2560x1600, so the limitation is probably from the drivers. |
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| 17:08.26 | babilen | viller: I am not surprised that such an important transition is not being done during a freeze (given that wheezy will release with 2.13) |
| 17:08.34 | Zeeflo | nsadmin, not possible.. we have about 100 meters space between us |
| 17:08.45 | Zeeflo | and other apartments in between |
| 17:09.08 | jhutchins_wk | dkarampi: x.org should have details on what the driver can do. I'm not aware of proprietary linux drivers from geforce, but you could look. |
| 17:09.13 | nsadmin | so then you have to depend on the max speed of the apt lan, and buying a net card won't do you any good |
| 17:09.38 | Zeeflo | dont worry about the apartment lan.. |
| 17:09.42 | Zeeflo | its capable enough |
| 17:09.43 | viller | babilen: okay. I'm not aware of debian's release schedule. |
| 17:10.04 | nsadmin | there's not one :) |
| 17:10.05 | jhutchins_wk | viller: It's not a schedule, it releases when the critical bugs are fixed. |
| 17:10.11 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: er... geforce = nvidia |
| 17:10.22 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Ah. |
| 17:10.24 | Zeeflo | i just want to know how his server can see my serviio service through a vpn or tunnel or something |
| 17:10.25 | nsadmin | it's released when it's ready |
| 17:10.35 | jhutchins_wk | !tell dkarampi about nvidia |
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| 17:10.44 | jhutchins_wk | is definitely going to lunch. |
| 17:10.44 | Zeeflo | wheezy becomes stable in a few months |
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| 17:11.00 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, have a fine lunch my friend :) |
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| 17:11.10 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Try the pptp thing. |
| 17:11.17 | Zeeflo | perhaps give it a thought and help out when you come back.. |
| 17:11.18 | Zeeflo | yes |
| 17:11.24 | Zeeflo | ill try the pptp mean while :) |
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| 17:13.36 | abrotman | Zeeflo: no one knows when it will go stable for sure .. |
| 17:13.59 | abrotman | Zeeflo: it will go stable when the number of RC bugs reaches 0 .. could be six months, could be six years |
| 17:15.13 | nsadmin | is emu10k1 still supported? what sound card that's NOT intel-hda can I get that's decent, reliable and supported? |
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| 17:15.44 | abrotman | it should still be supported, it was a oppular card 10 years ago |
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| 17:17.48 | nsadmin | abrotman, heya. so I just ran modinfo emu10k1 and it said it couldn't find it... lemme try one more thing |
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| 17:18.55 | nsadmin | abrotman, a find revealed these: /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/kernel/drivers/input/gameport/emu10k1-gp.ko and /lib/modules/3.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/emu10k1 |
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| 17:29.10 | Doggie52 | What is the best remote control application for debian, i.e. not CLI like SSH but more like remote desktop |
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| 17:31.10 | gnarface | Doggie52: you can forward X11 programs over ssh |
| 17:31.16 | alex- | What is the difference between a symlink and mount --bind ? |
| 17:31.20 | gnarface | Doggie52: which is NOT a remote desktop (that would be vnc) but its better |
| 17:31.49 | gnarface | alex-: symlinks exist on the filesystem. |
| 17:31.59 | alex- | mount --bind also does ? |
| 17:32.07 | gnarface | no its operating below the filesystem |
| 17:32.13 | gnarface | you can't ls -l and see the link as a file |
| 17:32.17 | alex- | hmm |
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| 17:32.22 | alex- | Which one is the best for me? |
| 17:32.42 | pippin | managing symlinks is likely more dead easy than managing a bunch of mount --bind for every single user |
| 17:32.49 | gnarface | alex-: well if you're talking about multiple mounts to /dev /sys or /proc, then you want to mount --bind |
| 17:33.04 | alex- | nah I want to mount to a folder |
| 17:33.09 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.37 | Doggie52 | gnarface, hmm, is it built-in? I.e. can I just get a viewer and start using it? |
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| 17:34.39 | gnarface | Doggie52: X11 forwarding you mean? yea its a standard component of ssh now. you may need to alter your /etc/ssh/sshd_config but i think its on by default in squeeze |
| 17:35.30 | gnarface | Doggie52: oh. uh... your local machine also has to be running an X11-capable window manager though. older versions of os X will need the special one from the developers cd, and no versions of windows support this natively today (you'll need commercial software) |
| 17:36.03 | gnarface | Doggie52: putty is probably right out |
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| 17:36.47 | alex- | gnarface: |
| 17:37.27 | gnarface | alex-: yes, most people would use symlinks for that |
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| 17:37.40 | alex- | Hmm |
| 17:37.52 | alex- | How can I prevent someone from breaking out of his own folder when using symlinks? |
| 17:38.41 | gnarface | actions on symlink targets through said symlink will still *effectively* inherit the permissions of the target |
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| 17:39.04 | gnarface | although if you're using them in an apache docroot there are other caveats that are apache-specific |
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| 17:39.51 | gnarface | alex-: if you want to understand the difference between a symlink and lower level stuff it may help for you to google up symlinks vs hardlinks |
| 17:40.08 | alex- | Hmm |
| 17:40.18 | alex- | I'm trying to install some web based panel where I can access my files from |
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| 17:40.43 | alex- | Is it the best to point the panel to only use that folder (e.g. create a new instance of the panel), or creating symlinks to that specific folder? |
| 17:40.59 | gnarface | i don't really know |
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| 17:41.04 | gnarface | its best to not use such panels |
| 17:41.06 | gnarface | quite honestly |
| 17:41.26 | alex- | True, but it's a pain in the ass to start my filezilla client every time |
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| 17:41.44 | alex- | And I can't access files when I'm at school because they won't let me install anything, and they blocked all ports except 80 and 443 |
| 17:41.57 | alex- | I tried a VPN client, but that one requires admin rights |
| 17:42.30 | gnarface | which panel? |
| 17:42.43 | alex- | ownCloud |
| 17:42.51 | alex- | Works like a charm |
| 17:43.36 | gnarface | never heard of it |
| 17:43.44 | gnarface | fyi there are web-based vnc clients too |
| 17:43.56 | gnarface | but setting up a vnc server probably won't be any easier for you to figure out |
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| 17:44.21 | gnarface | you probably should be reading the apache documentation on how to configure virtualhosts |
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| 17:44.35 | gnarface | (especially with regards to Options and AllowOverride directives) |
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| 17:45.02 | alex- | Apache is not the problem |
| 17:45.14 | alex- | The problem is to access a folder where the webserver normally shouldn't have access to |
| 17:45.52 | gnarface | alex-: you sound conspicuously certain of the first statement yet the following sentence suggests you're wrong |
| 17:46.00 | alex- | lol |
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| 17:46.04 | alex- | True |
| 17:46.07 | alex- | But vhosts aren't the problem |
| 17:46.12 | alex- | the setting up with apache isn't |
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| 17:48.17 | gnarface | alex-: please do yourself a favor and make sure you are familiar with apache's options "FollowSymlinks" and "SymlinksIfOwnersMatch" |
| 17:48.52 | alex- | Should I just set the folder it should use then? |
| 17:48.53 | gnarface | alex-: alternately you could just make an additional vhost (or replace the default) to point your docroot to your home directory |
| 17:49.16 | alex- | Nah, the files it needs to access are in another folder |
| 17:49.24 | alex- | Same permissions, but other folder |
| 17:49.46 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk: Back yet? |
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| 17:49.47 | gnarface | alex-: here what i'm trying to tell you is that what you're trying to accomplish sounds *painfully* trivial with a basic knowledge of your own system (which i don't have) and a basic knowledge of apache configuration |
| 17:50.12 | gnarface | alex-: you do have root access on the machine you're connecting to, right?> |
| 17:50.42 | alex- | Yes |
| 17:50.57 | Zeeflo | alex-, have you tried samba? |
| 17:51.06 | alex- | Zeeflo: insecure |
| 17:51.14 | Zeeflo | samba insecure?? |
| 17:51.14 | alex- | Zeeflo: And not suitable for when I'm at school |
| 17:51.22 | Zeeflo | then install owncloud |
| 17:51.25 | Zeeflo | with https |
| 17:51.46 | Zeeflo | access your files through http from anywhere |
| 17:52.11 | alex- | Yes, but what should I do, point owncloud to the folder it should use, or just create a symlink (or mount --bind) from the owncloud installation folder to the files i need to access? |
| 17:52.30 | Zeeflo | yes |
| 17:52.37 | Zeeflo | you create a data dir outside the web dir |
| 17:52.53 | Zeeflo | thats as safe as youre ever gonna be |
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| 17:53.05 | jhutchins_wk | owncloud is not a debian package. |
| 17:53.11 | Zeeflo | yes it is |
| 17:53.19 | Zeeflo | i did an apt-get owncloud |
| 17:53.25 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions owncloud |
| 17:53.27 | judd | Package: owncloud on i386 -- wheezy: 4.0.4debian-1; sid: 4.0.7debian-1 |
| 17:53.40 | alex- | lol @ jhutchins |
| 17:53.41 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, only on testing, not available on stable. |
| 17:53.53 | Zeeflo | well im on wheezy |
| 17:53.58 | Zeeflo | anyways.. |
| 17:54.05 | Zeeflo | the install is easy |
| 17:54.12 | alex- | I know |
| 17:54.13 | Zeeflo | even if you cant apt it |
| 17:54.15 | alex- | I already have it installed |
| 17:54.22 | alex- | But the files i need to access with it are in another folder |
| 17:54.30 | alex- | and apache isn 't allowed to read there |
| 17:54.35 | Zeeflo | then move them |
| 17:55.02 | Zeeflo | u cant have 2 data dirs in owncloud |
| 17:55.25 | alex- | So I can do 3 things: point to other folder with mount--bind, symlink to other folder, install another instance which haves another base folder |
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| 17:56.03 | Zeeflo | or you can just make sure your files are readable by others |
| 17:56.11 | Zeeflo | then owncloud can read the files |
| 17:56.27 | Zeeflo | as long as your data dir is outside the web dir, theyre safe |
| 17:56.42 | jhutchins_wk | alex-: There is no point in having a folder in another path if you mount it in the web path. |
| 17:56.56 | alex- | jhutchins_wk: what do you mean? |
| 17:56.58 | jhutchins_wk | alex-: You might as well just create the folder under the web directory. |
| 17:57.09 | alex- | Nah, the folder is already in another location |
| 17:57.20 | alex- | It's a gameserver where I would like to access some files from |
| 17:57.22 | alex- | and edit them |
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| 17:57.26 | jhutchins_wk | alex-: The package should create a path system for owncloud anyway. If not, check /usr/share/doc/owncloud* |
| 17:57.29 | alex- | I can't just move the gameserver, that would cause downtime |
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| 17:57.47 | Zeeflo | then define your webdir in apache |
| 17:57.52 | Zeeflo | its really not that hard |
| 17:58.15 | Zeeflo | besides |
| 17:58.22 | alex- | huh |
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| 17:58.24 | alex- | what do you mean |
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| 17:58.37 | Zeeflo | theres a bazillion php apps that allows you to remote connect to your files with secure options |
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| 17:59.10 | alex- | What's it name? |
| 17:59.53 | Entmoot | tsk |
| 17:59.59 | Zeeflo | go to sites like: www.hotscripts.com phpjunkyard.com etc etc |
| 18:00.05 | gnarface | alex-: you know you can just like, telly your server to host arbitrary shit on port 80 right? |
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| 18:00.53 | alex- | It's already online |
| 18:01.07 | alex- | I only want to access another folder outside the web directory with ownCloud |
| 18:01.09 | gnarface | alex-: the school firewall restriction that you can only connect out on port 80 is unlikely to actually mean that you have to use HTTP ... even if it does, they allow 443 you say and there's no way they could be deep-packet inspecting that |
| 18:01.13 | alex- | So I wonder what's the best way to do this |
| 18:01.29 | dawud | ,v sssd |
| 18:01.30 | judd | Package: sssd on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.1-4+squeeze1; sid: 1.8.4-1; wheezy: 1.8.4-1 |
| 18:01.33 | gnarface | alex-: move your ssh port to 80 and be done with it |
| 18:01.56 | alex- | gnarface: I have websites on port 80 |
| 18:02.00 | gnarface | oh |
| 18:02.08 | alex- | I wish it was that easy |
| 18:02.16 | alex- | I only wonder what's the best way to let ownCloud access those files |
| 18:02.20 | alex- | Not to install it or something else |
| 18:02.45 | Zeeflo | alex- if you want true access to your server / folders, create a vpn to it |
| 18:02.51 | matte3560 | Hi guys, I need some urgent help. I managed to delete my root partition (/dev/sda1) with fdisk. I got a message saying the partition has been written, but the kernel has not been informed of the change, because the partition is in use. I'm assuming that if I reboot, my system will be screwed. What do I do? |
| 18:03.04 | alex- | Zeeflo: As I said before: I can't install a VPN client |
| 18:03.08 | Zeeflo | ah ok |
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| 18:03.52 | dokma | how do I get numerical perms of a folder? |
| 18:03.58 | alex- | (I can't even unzip .dll files :\) |
| 18:04.01 | dokma | can ls show that? |
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| 18:04.18 | gnarface | matte3560: if that's literally ALL you did (didn't delete the actual filesystem contents, just the partition that held them) you can usually get it back by just recreating the partition *exactly* |
| 18:04.26 | alex- | dokma: ls -l ? |
| 18:04.34 | alex- | yes |
| 18:04.43 | dokma | alex: that lists symbolic |
| 18:04.45 | dokma | I want numeric |
| 18:04.52 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk: Something struck me before.. If I make a pptpd connection from his windows machine to my server and forward the ports to my lan with iptables, it will work! |
| 18:04.53 | Zeeflo | BUT |
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| 18:05.40 | Zeeflo | that means that his windows machine will disconnect from his OWN lan, which means his ps3 etc wont see the mediacenter and so on.. |
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| 18:06.00 | Zeeflo | wouldnt it? |
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| 18:06.10 | matte3560 | gnarface: I also ran partprobe afterwards, wondering why it didn't work, but I'm assuming this doesn't matter. Could you please walk me through recreating the partition again? I'm not very experienced with using fdisk (obviously). |
| 18:06.36 | keln | Hello, I have an 8 core AMD FX CPU (6.0GHz) and 16GB DDR3 RAM and a 6 GB Radeon Graphics card, will it be enough to run Debian? :/ |
| 18:06.48 | Zeeflo | keln, no |
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| 18:07.10 | keln | Oh. :( |
| 18:07.28 | Zeeflo | .... |
| 18:07.36 | gnarface | matte3560: uh, i'm sorry too much liability involved. not gonna touch that one. |
| 18:07.48 | pfc | Running debian sid with lxde but every once in a while the keyboard decides to go unresponsive (keys are missed if not pressed for at least 1 sec. each) Any ideas how to troubleshoot? |
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| 18:07.53 | Zeeflo | keln, you can run debian on an old 486 machine with 16 mb ram!! |
| 18:07.55 | Zeeflo | come on.. |
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| 18:08.05 | matte3560 | gnarface: Allright, I understand |
| 18:08.08 | gnarface | anyone brave and really familiar with fdisk want to help matte3560 ? |
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| 18:08.53 | Zeeflo | fdisk is fairly simple.. |
| 18:09.16 | matte3560 | Zeeflo, the thing is i deleted my root partition |
| 18:09.34 | Zeeflo | root partition as in /boot or / |
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| 18:09.42 | matte3560 | as in / |
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| 18:10.24 | Zeeflo | did you write the changes in fdisk before you exited? |
| 18:10.58 | matte3560 | yes, i also ran partprobe afterwards, because i was wondering why it didn't work |
| 18:11.01 | jordanm | matte3560: checkdisk should be able to recover that |
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| 18:12.20 | Zeeflo | you need to recover with chkdsk |
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| 18:14.17 | matte3560 | so i would run 'fsck -p /dev/sda'? |
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| 18:15.19 | Zeeflo | if you want a gui to do it, install partimage |
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| 18:15.35 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: No, that's not how it works. |
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| 18:16.15 | Zeeflo | no, but partimage makes the process of fsck much easier |
| 18:16.44 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk. I would need his router to connect to my lan somehow.. |
| 18:16.45 | kanliot | i know i can download cd #1 of debian, and install it, but what do i get by downloading 53 cds of debian? every package period? |
| 18:16.49 | Zeeflo | that is the only way! |
| 18:16.49 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Like any other internet connection, the pptp virtual link becomes avaiable as a route for packets that want to get to your network and back. One system can have many routes. |
| 18:17.09 | specing | kanliot: A large internet bill. |
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| 18:17.17 | jhutchins_wk | kanliot: ~30,000 packages. |
| 18:17.28 | Zeeflo | jhutchins_wk, im just thinking, if i reroute the NIC in his windows machine, he will disconnect from his own LAN wouldnt he? |
| 18:17.31 | jhutchins_wk | kanliot: All of the translations. |
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| 18:17.46 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: If he did, he couldn't reach yours. |
| 18:17.48 | specing | kanliot: just rsync a local mirror |
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| 18:18.08 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: The traffic to your lan travels over his lan to the building lan to your lan. |
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| 18:18.32 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: That's why it's sometimes called a tunnel, it creates a connection that is carried over other connections. |
| 18:18.54 | Zeeflo | yes, but will his machine still be available on his own lan? |
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| 18:19.17 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: It depends on how he sets it up, but yes. |
| 18:19.27 | Zeeflo | hmm |
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| 18:19.37 | matte3560 | what exactly am i supposed to do with partimage? do i have to back up the partition, then restore it? |
| 18:19.37 | Zeeflo | do you know how this would have to be set up= |
| 18:19.39 | Zeeflo | ? |
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| 18:20.03 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: I haven't done it on Debian, but I've set up a couple of servers and several clients over the years. |
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| 18:20.24 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: I would look for a Debian document on it. pptp server |
| 18:20.34 | Zeeflo | i have set up pptpd |
| 18:20.47 | Zeeflo | i have forwarded the ports and ip ranges in iptables |
| 18:20.54 | Zeeflo | i do believe that pptp is ready for him.. |
| 18:21.00 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: The ms chap protocol often used is proprietary and non-DFSG, so you might need to get something from a third party. |
| 18:21.30 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: In order for him to have normal networking while connected he just needs to tell windows not to make the tunnel the default route. |
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| 18:22.08 | Zeeflo | but that would still not make his ps3 etc etc see my media server.. |
| 18:22.18 | Zeeflo | that would only make his pc see it.. |
| 18:22.44 | Zeeflo | i think I have to make his router, route to my router.. |
| 18:23.13 | Zeeflo | so that he gets on my lan entirely |
| 18:23.27 | Zeeflo | hmm |
| 18:23.29 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Depends on the protocol. |
| 18:23.37 | Zeeflo | how so? |
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| 18:24.02 | Zeeflo | that would be the protocol on windows machine |
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| 18:24.38 | Zeeflo | it would have to share everything the machine sees on my lan, to his lan.. |
| 18:24.52 | Zeeflo | jesus ch..... |
| 18:24.59 | Zeeflo | this is becoming complicated |
| 18:25.07 | jhutchins_wk | No, the protocol that the media server runs over. |
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| 18:25.24 | Zeeflo | i dont know if its upnp |
| 18:25.28 | Zeeflo | but i do believe it is |
| 18:25.39 | jhutchins_wk | If the ps3 can only auto-discover the server then it usually needs to be on the same physical network (no router). |
| 18:26.02 | jhutchins_wk | If you can tell the ps3 the address of the server to use you can route it. |
| 18:26.21 | jhutchins_wk | The PS3 might be able to make a VPN connection to your lan. |
| 18:26.49 | Zeeflo | i can tell the ps3 which ip to aquire etc.. |
| 18:27.09 | Zeeflo | from which dns server etc |
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| 18:27.22 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: Just giving it an IP doesn't put it on the lan, something has to do the routing. |
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| 18:27.49 | Zeeflo | so, if I tell the ps3 to connect to the pptpd..? |
| 18:27.53 | Zeeflo | somehow.. |
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| 18:30.03 | matte3560 | can i get some instructions on how to recreate the /dev/sda1 partition exactly like it was? i know it started at the beginning of the disk, and i have it mounted, so i can see the size |
| 18:30.19 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: This is really a lot of traffic that's not on topic for #debian, if you have more questions you can ask me in a PM. |
| 18:30.43 | jhutchins_wk | matte3560: What did you do to it? |
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| 18:31.02 | matte3560 | jhutchins_wk: i deleted it by accident using fdisk |
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| 18:31.23 | Zeeflo | he accidently deleted boot partition / |
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| 18:32.52 | Hexeon | oh the upgrade finished. I dunno if it worked or not |
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| 18:34.04 | jhutchins_wk | matte3560: Now would be an excellent time to make a backup, something you should always do before messing with fdisk or the like. |
| 18:34.13 | jhutchins_wk | matte3560: |
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| 18:34.29 | jhutchins_wk | matte3560: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/recovering.html |
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| 18:35.08 | Zeeflo | yea, i told him to make a backup with partimage |
| 18:35.14 | Zeeflo | and then recover again |
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| 18:35.26 | Zeeflo | but read the how to |
| 18:35.43 | jhutchins_wk | matte3560: http://geexhq.com/recover-partition-table/ http://www.salingfamily.net/trav/linux/lost_partition.html |
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| 18:37.06 | matte3560 | allright, i'll look into that stuff |
| 18:37.08 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: I don't think partimage is going to help if he doesn't have a table, but he can certainly use any copy utility to do a file copy backup of the mounted partition. I'd certainly make a copy of anything important/irreplacable, once you reboot there's a chance you'll never see it again. |
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| 18:37.32 | jhutchins_wk | THe parted live cd has a tool called gpart that may be able to recover the table. |
| 18:37.58 | matte3560 | jhutchins_wk, I've only deleted the sda1 partition |
| 18:38.05 | matte3560 | there are three other partitions |
| 18:38.13 | matte3560 | so there must be a partition table |
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| 18:38.28 | jhutchins_wk | matte3560: Did you write-quit fdisk? |
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| 18:38.43 | matte3560 | jhutchkins_wk: yes |
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| 18:39.00 | Kostic | Hello everyone... Does the base Debian 6 netinstall iso contain nmcli utility? I cannot find this information... I used Google and cd-imagesearch.debian.org... :| |
| 18:39.12 | jhutchins_wk | matte3560: I would read those pages and whatever else you can find and, again, back up anything important. |
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| 18:39.29 | matte3560 | will do |
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| 18:40.02 | sickgut | is there an apt-get command to install absolutely everything that is available? i tried apt-get install * but it didnt do much |
| 18:40.02 | Hexeon | how do I find out if the update worked? |
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| 18:40.18 | Zeeflo | sickgut what? |
| 18:40.32 | Zeeflo | install everything absolutely available? |
| 18:40.42 | superstraw | he wants to install every package debian has to offer i suppose.... language packs and all??? |
| 18:40.50 | sickgut | yes |
| 18:40.51 | Zeeflo | dude, you dont have, and never will have enough space for that |
| 18:40.56 | sickgut | everything |
| 18:41.05 | sickgut | i have spare TB's |
| 18:41.09 | Hexeon | why would you want to install EVERYTHING??? that's crazy |
| 18:41.11 | Zeeflo | tb's cant do it |
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| 18:41.34 | Zeeflo | besides, your machine will compile and install for 2 years straight haha |
| 18:41.47 | Zeeflo | even if you had enough hdd |
| 18:41.58 | sickgut | im asking is there a command to do it, im not asking about the logistics |
| 18:42.01 | jhutchins_wk | matte3560: For recovering just the partiton there appears to be a program called "testdisk". |
| 18:42.04 | Zeeflo | i gotta ask, why do you want to install everything it as to offer? |
| 18:42.19 | dkr | also several packages conflict with each other so you can't install them simultaneously |
| 18:42.46 | jhutchins_wk | Zeeflo: It's only 54 CDs. |
| 18:42.51 | Kostic | Nmcli in Debian 6 netinstall iso? Anyone? |
| 18:43.43 | jhutchins_wk | sickgut: As dkr suggested, some packages conflict, and a lot of what's available is alternative languages and localles as well as different architectures. |
| 18:43.53 | jhutchins_wk | !tasksel |
| 18:43.53 | dpkg | tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 18:44.09 | matte3560 | jhutchins_wk, I'll look at that aswell, thanks |
| 18:44.12 | sickgut | im wanting to setup an external bootable hdd that has everything available installed running debian live and a squashfs filesystem that is compressed... i have the technical aspects setup and working, im just wanting to know is there an install all command? if not then cool. |
| 18:44.30 | sickgut | i know how to trouble shoot the conflicting packages |
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| 18:45.00 | jhutchins_wk | sickgut: No, there is no "install everything", but have a look at the tasksel stuff. |
| 18:45.08 | Zeeflo | sickgut, not that I know of.. But you could make a mirror server or something. Download all dvd's or something.. |
| 18:45.10 | sickgut | k |
| 18:45.19 | jhutchins_wk | sickgut: You would not, for instance, install postfix, sendmail, and exim together. |
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| 18:46.07 | dkr | sickgut: aptitude install "search pattern that matches everything" ;) ah, "?true~TSelect all packages." |
| 18:46.17 | sickgut | i know the technical stuff and conflicting packages, i would trouble shoot as i go, was just asking if there is a command to do it |
| 18:46.30 | sickgut | k thaqnks |
| 18:46.36 | jhutchins_wk | sickgut: No. Nobody does that. |
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| 18:47.04 | dkr | now I want to try aptitude install ~T also. don't be so negative. :) |
| 18:47.17 | Zeeflo | i wanna know how that went :D |
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| 18:47.48 | jhutchins_wk | Think about whether that question would make sense in Windows. |
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| 18:48.31 | sickgut | 57 packages upgraded, 28515 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:48.54 | matte3560 | I'm scanning with gpart at the moment, will probably just recreate the partiton using parted |
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| 18:49.30 | ansgar | sickgut: Impressive. How much does it want to download and how much space would it need? |
| 18:50.03 | sickgut | Resolving dependencies... open: 9969; closed: 26281; defer: 2; conflict: 3 oNo solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n] |
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| 18:52.15 | Doggie52 | Is there any way I can get the sources for the 3.5 kernel through apt-get? Why is debian on 2.6 when the official kernel is on 3.5 ? |
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| 18:53.00 | gnarface | dpkg, tell Doggie52 about backports |
| 18:53.33 | sickgut | cool it asks if you want to resolve conflicts by hand, as you go during the aptitude install ~T |
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| 18:54.23 | ryx | hello, I have memory pressure even though my programs only use half of my ram. OOM-killer just killed something. I really don't get where it went. meminfo: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?591 |
| 18:54.51 | sickgut | it spits out a good 20 pages of txt as a list of packages, if i log it then i can copy and paste whatever real easy and use apt-get install |
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| 18:57.03 | dutchfish | ryx, ps auxww (to get nsight what processes took the main part) |
| 18:57.17 | Zeeflo | ps -aucww |
| 18:57.21 | Zeeflo | whoops |
| 18:57.27 | Zeeflo | ps -auxww |
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| 18:57.59 | Zeeflo | or install nmon |
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| 18:58.13 | Zeeflo | gui suite for everything in your system |
| 18:58.46 | ryx | I usually use atop |
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| 18:59.20 | ryx | I made atop sum by user, it told me I use 39%, root uses 8% |
| 18:59.22 | Zeeflo | thats a good one too |
| 18:59.37 | ryx | the ps contains commandlines that I don't want to paste |
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| 19:00.11 | dutchfish | ryx, dont paste but just analyze it |
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| 19:00.56 | ryx | I already did. Of course iceweasel uses a lot, but only 500M of my 4G |
| 19:00.56 | ryx | I even tried reading slabinfo before coming here |
| 19:01.05 | ryx | look at the paste, it doesn't make sense to me |
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| 19:01.43 | ryx | active + inactive is around 1.5G, cache 300M, slab 800M (wtf???), free is 50M, and that still doesn't add up to 4G |
| 19:01.59 | dutchfish | ryx, also do a ps auxww | echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && sync && sync | psauxww and compare |
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| 19:02.23 | ryx | i already tried drop_caches with 2 |
| 19:02.50 | ryx | doesnt' change a thing. 3 neither. |
| 19:03.05 | ryx | sounds to me like something in the kernel is leaking ram |
| 19:03.09 | dutchfish | ryx, try and compare (and store your findings for analyses |
| 19:03.12 | dutchfish | ) |
| 19:03.46 | dutchfish | ryx, could be, the echo 3 would reveil that |
| 19:03.57 | ryx | well, since slab is 700MB SUnreclaim, it won't get dropped |
| 19:04.04 | ryx | I just tried with 3 |
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| 19:04.18 | dutchfish | ryx, then you have your answer |
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| 19:04.36 | ryx | dutchfish: not at all |
| 19:04.47 | dutchfish | ryx, now analyze which process is responsable for it |
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| 19:04.55 | ryx | HOW???? |
| 19:05.07 | dutchfish | ryx, by elimination |
| 19:05.12 | ryx | by eliminating WHAT? |
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| 19:05.37 | ryx | I've searched for half an hour before coming here |
| 19:05.37 | nander | Why can't I find any header packages in the repositiory? |
| 19:05.43 | ryx | my personal guess is nouveau |
| 19:06.05 | ryx | but I don't have any proof and nowhere to look |
| 19:06.06 | nander | ah linux-headers-... |
| 19:06.07 | dutchfish | ryx, restarting processes one by one, or not starting some at boot, to find out |
| 19:06.08 | nander | Namechange |
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| 19:06.24 | dutchfish | ryx, what debian version? |
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| 19:06.33 | dutchfish | ryx, and what kernel? |
| 19:06.44 | dutchfish | ryx, and hints on the processes you are running? |
| 19:06.44 | ryx | dutchfish: well, OOM-killer has a tendency to only stop after X is dead |
| 19:06.48 | Doggie52 | With 'apt-get source linux-2.6' I was able to download the entire source for the 2.6 kernel to the folder I was in. Is there a similar method to get the source for the 3.2 kernel? 'apt-get source linux-3.2' doesn't work. |
| 19:07.10 | dutchfish | ryx, then analyse the processes under X |
| 19:07.26 | ryx | dutchfish: testing, 3.2.0-3-rt-686-pae |
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| 19:07.37 | dutchfish | ryx, might be also something like framebuffers or video drivers or 3d drivers |
| 19:08.20 | dutchfish | ryx, have you eximaned carefully syslog? |
| 19:08.37 | dutchfish | examined* |
| 19:09.02 | ryx | I have looked at dmesg, which told me about plugin-container getting OOM-killed |
| 19:09.31 | ryx | what part of syslog? doesn't really look unusual, apart from the OOM-kill |
| 19:09.33 | dutchfish | ryx, can you pastebin the passage? |
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| 19:10.52 | dutchfish | ryx, n-10 also |
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| 19:11.39 | ryx | http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?592 |
| 19:11.59 | ryx | n-10? |
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| 19:15.35 | dutchfish | ryx, what filesystem are you using? by accident XFS? |
| 19:15.38 | ryx | no |
| 19:15.46 | bhasker | hi all is there a method to assign an executable file to a unknown keycode ? so that whenever that key is pressed, the executable is executed ? |
| 19:15.59 | ryx | I stopped doing that when I lost data to a raid because of it |
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| 19:17.27 | dutchfish | ryx, The Linux kernel by default overcommit memory so that sometimes a program will successfully allocate memory not available and the OOM will kick in and kill a random process instead. Disabling this would perhaps allow you do perhaps identify what application steals memory. |
| 19:18.03 | dutchfish | ryx, you can do that with echo 2 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory |
| 19:18.25 | ryx | Committed_AS: 3084500 kB |
| 19:18.28 | dutchfish | ryx, witht he info you gave i do not have an exact clue |
| 19:18.33 | ryx | MemTotal: 4147172 kB |
| 19:18.38 | ryx | doesn't look overcomitted to me |
| 19:18.56 | dutchfish | ryx, not atm, but at times it could be |
| 19:19.11 | dutchfish | ryx, with my suggested setting you can maybe reveal the culprit |
| 19:19.18 | ryx | well, the only thing that changed since before ist that a 250MB-process got killed |
| 19:19.35 | ryx | thanks for your help, but I rather doubt it |
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| 19:20.09 | dutchfish | ryx, for that i would need all logs and a clear case of the setup, but isnce that would reveal quiet some security stuff, i wont ask |
| 19:20.12 | ryx | well, I disabled it anyways |
| 19:20.23 | dutchfish | ryx, my best bet is to use that setting and follow th elogs |
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| 19:22.26 | dutchfish | ryx, it might be related to (it smells like it) cgroups | also tweaking /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure is another param to reveal the culprit |
| 19:22.38 | dutchfish | ryx, at this time i have no real idee |
| 19:22.58 | dutchfish | ryx, it also could be related to highmem |
| 19:23.30 | dutchfish | ryx, if you find out more, let us know |
| 19:23.50 | dutchfish | ryx, good luck with triaging |
| 19:24.14 | ryx | cgroups? |
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| 19:24.45 | dutchfish | ryx, cgroups sheduling proces |
| 19:24.45 | ryx | well, one question I have is: isn't that meminfo inconsistent? but nobody seems to know |
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| 19:25.04 | dutchfish | ryx, not that i cna see at a glance |
| 19:25.08 | dutchfish | can* |
| 19:25.29 | dutchfish | ryx, the meminfo is pretty useless to find out oomkillers reason |
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| 19:25.52 | dutchfish | ryx, it all about claim/release/reclaim |
| 19:26.23 | Doggie52 | Where do I find a default .config file for the linux-3.2 source? |
| 19:26.25 | dutchfish | ryx, ps auxxww in a sheduled log and then graphing it out can reveal or at least hint you |
| 19:26.35 | ryx | well, I just hunted through atop-logs for the last time X got killed, vmcommit was at 3,7G |
| 19:26.53 | dutchfish | ryx, thats sounds much |
| 19:27.02 | ryx | of 4G? not really |
| 19:27.16 | ryx | I already had vm commits of 6G on that machine, with 2G being in swap |
| 19:27.31 | dutchfish | ryx, it all depends what processes and how cache is distributed inside your system |
| 19:28.00 | dutchfish | ryx, well, to judge that i need more info (logs) |
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| 19:28.07 | Hexeon | http://paste.debian.net/189607/ |
| 19:28.08 | nsadmin | Doggie52, do you have that kernel installed and possibly running now? |
| 19:28.14 | Hexeon | it can't continue >_< |
| 19:28.24 | ryx | dutchfish: which log could possibly help? |
| 19:28.44 | Doggie52 | nsadmin, nah, I don't. I downloaded the source tarball |
| 19:28.48 | dutchfish | ryx, any log related to mem pressure and process info (detailed) |
| 19:28.50 | ryx | atop records which processes use how much ram and cpu |
| 19:29.16 | ryx | it has nothing unusual |
| 19:29.21 | dutchfish | ryx, but you can study that yourself also, with all i already said up till now |
| 19:29.24 | ryx | (except the constant slab at 700mb) |
| 19:29.32 | nsadmin | Doggie52, so you're sure the exising 3.2 won 't serve you even as you haven't tried it yet? |
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| 19:30.15 | Doggie52 | I'm not sure it will serve me, I'd just like to try it. I suppose I'll stay on 2.6 for the time being though |
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| 19:30.45 | nsadmin | Doggie52, what's in /etc/debian_version? |
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| 19:31.19 | Doggie52 | nsadmin, 6.0.5 |
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| 19:31.46 | dutchfish | ryx, slab represents a contiguous piece of memory, usually made of several physically contiguous pages. A cache consists of one or more slabs. The slab is the actual container of data associated to objects of the specific kind of the containing cache. So a high amount of mem in slab in itself is not a disturbing reaosn of its own. |
| 19:31.53 | nsadmin | Doggie52, so there are 3.2 kernels in backports |
| 19:32.29 | Doggie52 | nsadmin, yes |
| 19:32.31 | ryx | dutchfish: but how about a lot of non-cache slab memory? |
| 19:33.24 | dutchfish | ryx, http://reference.kfupm.edu.sa/content/s/l/the_slab_allocator__an_object_caching_ke_117671.pdf |
| 19:34.05 | dutchfish | ryx, i would start with eximaning your processes more closely and how they are configured to use mem under stress |
| 19:34.57 | nsadmin | Doggie52, and it's a quick way to try that kernel... |
| 19:35.01 | MPCU | Hi all. I'm running squeeze, and I'm pretty happy with it, but the old version of nautilus is rather bugging me. I'd rather update to 2.9.1 or even the latest of the 2.3.x group. Is the only way to go about this to compile from source? Or is this just completely discouraged? |
| 19:35.46 | divbell | the version of nautilus in wheezy is 3.4.2 |
| 19:36.12 | MPCU | divbell: Right, but that requires gnome 3, correct? |
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| 19:36.41 | divbell | yeah, i'm not sure.. i don't really run x |
| 19:36.58 | divbell | it's going to be stable rsn though |
| 19:37.35 | MPCU | Hmm, i see. I ask because I like and want to stick with gnome 2, but would rather an updated release of nautilus |
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| 19:39.08 | dutchfish | ryx, one other issue to take in account is defect hardware like memmory or a disk failure, henc emy q about the FS at first. |
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| 19:39.41 | dutchfish | ryx, run a memcheck and check the health of your disk or backend/raid |
| 19:39.51 | ryx | dutchfish: all new ram gets at least an hour of memtest86+ from me |
| 19:40.15 | dutchfish | ryx, ok, and that was recently or after a burn in period? |
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| 19:40.39 | ryx | and I ditched the raid after it lost me data that I wouldn't have lost without it |
| 19:40.52 | dutchfish | ryx, oh? |
| 19:41.08 | ryx | that was after a year of burn-in to recheck that everything is ok |
| 19:41.29 | dutchfish | ok, just the get the facts straight. |
| 19:41.39 | ryx | dutchfish: after a power outage once my system was unbootable because libc6 got truncated |
| 19:41.49 | dutchfish | ouch |
| 19:41.54 | ryx | which apparently was awesome interaction between software raid5 and xfs |
| 19:42.03 | dutchfish | ryx, that you check that nothing more was damaged? |
| 19:42.08 | ryx | debsums |
| 19:42.19 | dutchfish | ok, fair enough |
| 19:42.34 | ryx | and that was more than a year ago |
| 19:42.39 | dutchfish | ok |
| 19:43.30 | ryx | the memory problem is about 10 days old, after an aptitude full-upgrade |
| 19:43.38 | dutchfish | anyway, my point was that this kind of problems can be hardware induced, base with me, and take that into account as well. |
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| 19:43.46 | dtcrshr | for some reason my debian box is not accepting ssh external connections. I didnt assemble this server, so im fixing some other dudes work, and he didnt backup the original ssh_config and sshd_ config, so i dunno what he messes up, and I dont really want to double check every and each option, preffer to start from scratch. So, is there a way to recreate this files, as default values? Iv tryed apt-ger remove and apt-ger install ssh, dpkg-reconf |
| 19:43.47 | dtcrshr | igure ssh, but neither worked |
| 19:43.51 | Jupiter123 | Hi team |
| 19:44.00 | dtcrshr | is there some way to fully remove ssh and its files, and fresh install it? |
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| 19:44.24 | Jupiter123 | I got a 32 bit system |
| 19:44.31 | ryx | dtcrshr: apt-get purge? |
| 19:44.35 | Jupiter123 | I wanted to try Debian on my system |
| 19:44.49 | Jupiter123 | could anyone help me which full DVD to download |
| 19:44.50 | Jupiter123 | plz |
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| 19:45.14 | ryx | dtcrshr: also check iptables |
| 19:45.16 | Xtreme | guys is it safe to delete everything from /tmp folder |
| 19:45.18 | dtcrshr | well, apt-get purge did show that uninstalled it, but the /etc/ssh folder is still there |
| 19:45.51 | dtcrshr | ryx, well, the server was a fresh install, he just copied some files to it ans installed ssh |
| 19:46.08 | cassio | Jupiter123: download the net install image for your architecture (assuming you'll have a network connection during install) |
| 19:46.12 | dtcrshr | pretty sure he dont know about iptables to set up, only if ssh isntallation does it itself |
| 19:46.37 | Jupiter123 | I have a weak internet , so I better try a full download option |
| 19:46.43 | Jupiter123 | at once. |
| 19:46.48 | Jupiter123 | or bittorrent |
| 19:46.57 | Jupiter123 | but i see only 64 bit versions of it |
| 19:47.04 | Jupiter123 | so bit concerned will it work |
| 19:47.12 | alex- | How can I give the user www-data read/write access to my files? |
| 19:47.28 | cassio | Jupiter123: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:47.44 | cassio | Jupiter123: the first cds contain the most frequently used software |
| 19:47.46 | Jupiter123 | any dvd, full version, so that i don't have to update again |
| 19:47.46 | ryx | dtcrshr: I'm probably the wrong guy to ask, but try explicitly purging openssh-server and openssh-client |
| 19:48.00 | ryx | dtcrshr: ssh is only a metapackage |
| 19:48.03 | dtcrshr | purging |
| 19:48.10 | cassio | Jupiter123: you should at least be getting security updates.. |
| 19:48.33 | Jupiter123 | oh |
| 19:48.35 | Jupiter123 | ok |
| 19:48.38 | cassio | Jupiter123: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 19:48.45 | dtcrshr | ryx: worked. thanks! |
| 19:48.46 | Jupiter123 | so I have to download this |
| 19:48.47 | Jupiter123 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:49.05 | ryx | dtcrshr: nice, I'm happy I could help |
| 19:49.07 | dtcrshr | purging the meta, and dpkg-reconfigure didnt worked. thanks for the tip |
| 19:49.17 | Jupiter123 | why are there 8 DVD's |
| 19:49.17 | cassio | Jupiter123: yes, and read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 19:49.20 | Jupiter123 | and one update |
| 19:49.30 | Jupiter123 | I was confused on that |
| 19:49.40 | Jupiter123 | I checked that DVD link you shared earlier |
| 19:49.43 | Jupiter123 | so bit confused |
| 19:49.47 | dtcrshr | jupiter, get the first dvd and you should be fine |
| 19:50.00 | Jupiter123 | since I used ubuntu and mint earlier and wanted to go to basics |
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| 19:50.05 | Jupiter123 | simple Stable Debian |
| 19:50.07 | dtcrshr | only if yo have no connection at all, and need an specific package, on the docs there is which disk have wat |
| 19:50.09 | cassio | Jupiter123: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#update-cd |
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| 19:50.22 | Doggie52 | Why do you need the ^ in "sudo apt-get install lamp-server^" |
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| 19:51.48 | Jupiter123 | thanks it seams understandable now |
| 19:51.58 | Jupiter123 | Thanks Cassio |
| 19:52.29 | cassio | Jupiter123: you're welcome |
| 19:53.02 | nsadmin | Doggie52, look at the man page for aptitude... you'll see |
| 19:53.06 | Jupiter123 | so I would better try downloading tomorrow debian-6.0.5-i386-DVD-1.iso version |
| 19:53.12 | Jupiter123 | and will test it |
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| 19:53.46 | JessicaW | anyone familiar with NIC bonding? I have some questions on which mode is best for high bandwidth and low latency. |
| 19:54.08 | Jupiter123 | Hope that works till now |
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| 19:54.13 | Jupiter123 | and will get to know more |
| 19:54.30 | cassio | Jupiter123: cool. make sure you read the install guide |
| 19:54.38 | Doggie52 | nsadmin, "Note: The caret (^) was generally required at the end of the command in older versions of tasksel. It is not required in newer versions of tasksel." |
| 19:55.28 | nsadmin | tasksel? I thought that was aptitude |
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| 19:56.45 | user-X | why I have error with ftp.debian-multimedia.org in update ? |
| 19:57.18 | jhutchins_wk | user-X: Because it's the internet. |
| 19:57.42 | jhutchins_wk | user-X: Also because the site has been renamed. |
| 19:57.43 | user-X | jhutchins: what do You mean ? |
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| 19:57.52 | jhutchins_wk | !tell user-X about dmm |
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| 19:58.53 | user-X | jhutchins_wk: I see... thx |
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| 20:00.02 | Jupiter123 | sure |
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| 20:01.26 | nsadmin | Jupiter123, you don't need to download that much to start with if the box has a good net connection |
| 20:01.42 | Doggie52 | Why can't apt-get find lamp-server^ ? |
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| 20:01.59 | Jupiter123 | oh |
| 20:02.07 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Doggie52 about lamp |
| 20:02.08 | Jupiter123 | so CD image is fine as you say |
| 20:02.27 | Jupiter123 | and based on packages needed network install you meant is it? |
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| 20:03.33 | nsadmin | you can download a netinst which is about 200 mb (as opposwed to 4-5g |
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| 20:04.17 | nsadmin | one benefit, is you can get started sooner, and after that you only download what you need on a package-by-package basis |
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| 20:18.26 | Xtreme | guys kcachegrind, need to install it |
| 20:18.28 | Xtreme | can anyone help? |
| 20:18.32 | Xtreme | its not there in my repo |
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| 20:19.57 | ompaul | Xtreme: you might check your distro, it's there in debian sid |
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| 20:20.06 | user-X | Xtreme: http://kcachegrind.sourceforge.net/html/Download.html |
| 20:20.11 | ryx | kcachegrind rocks |
| 20:20.33 | Xtreme | ompaul, i am on testing |
| 20:20.35 | ryx | I see it in testing, unstable and stable |
| 20:20.49 | Xtreme | ryx i cant, i am using synaptics |
| 20:20.57 | Xtreme | can you help me fixing this issue |
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| 20:21.48 | ryx | sorry, no time. (and I have no clue about that gui stuff) |
| 20:22.22 | ompaul | ,versions kcachegrind |
| 20:22.24 | judd | Package: kcachegrind on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.8.4-2; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2 |
| 20:23.28 | ompaul | Xtreme: ^^ it is there |
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| 20:26.00 | user-X | Xtreme: in Wheezy I have this too in Synaptic |
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| 20:27.12 | Xtreme | damn |
| 20:27.18 | Xtreme | why i dont i have it ;( |
| 20:27.28 | user-X | Xtreme: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ... try to find this there |
| 20:27.33 | BusMaster | after I upgraded from squeeze to wheezy, it can't find any of my lvm volumes, and drops me to a shell where I have to type cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 crypt1;vgchange -ay; before it can boot. How do I get rid of this? I tried doing update-initramfs -k all; but it didn't fix the issue. |
| 20:28.07 | heoa | http://pastie.org/4709994 -- what could cause aptitude not working? |
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| 20:28.37 | heoa | http://pastie.org/4710022 <-- my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:28.56 | Hexeon | "slapcat: bad configuration file!" >_< |
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| 20:29.27 | Doggie52 | How do I get the default VNC server to run before a user is logged in? |
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| 20:30.19 | heoa | I think the problem is that I messed up with /etc/apt/sources.list, could someone share a working copy of /etc/apt/sources.list? I am using squeeze |
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| 20:31.05 | user-X | Xtreme: do something like that in terminal: cat /etc/apt/sources.list > repo.txt , and paste code in paste.debian.net |
| 20:31.26 | user-X | terminal/console |
| 20:31.32 | Xtreme | user-X, dont know how, but reboot fixed it |
| 20:31.42 | Xtreme | coz i noticed it was there in apt |
| 20:31.45 | BenNZ | heoa: this may be of help http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 20:31.50 | fprophet | how do I remove a program that I can find with which |
| 20:31.54 | user-X | Xtreme: ok |
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| 20:32.06 | Xtreme | thanks everyone |
| 20:32.28 | fprophet | I mean, I need to completely remove java but I dont know the package it was installed with |
| 20:32.50 | user-X | Xtreme: You know... U should update nad uprgare Your system sometimes ? |
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| 20:33.24 | user-X | U=You... sorry, bat habit from MO |
| 20:33.27 | user-X | MMO* |
| 20:33.50 | BusMaster | fprophet, dpkg --search /path/to/file will tell you which package installed that file. Then you can aptitude remove that package |
| 20:34.28 | Xtreme | user-X, i do it every night. on testing, so i get updates everyday |
| 20:34.44 | fprophet | # dpkg --search /usr/bin/java |
| 20:34.45 | fprophet | dpkg: /usr/bin/java not found. |
| 20:34.45 | dpkg | i don't know, fprophet |
| 20:34.45 | Xtreme | and IIRC, i think i have autoupdate enabled |
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| 20:35.01 | BusMaster | fprophet, does /usr/bin/java exist? |
| 20:35.15 | fprophet | # which java |
| 20:35.28 | fprophet | # /usr/bin/java |
| 20:35.46 | fprophet | I guess that means yes? I dont know though |
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| 20:36.47 | user-X | fprophet: You are kind of newbie ? (sorry my ENG is bad but I trying to help) |
| 20:36.58 | fprophet | user-X: yes |
| 20:37.13 | fprophet | BusMaster: the directory is there, in usr/bin |
| 20:37.29 | user-X | fprophet: use program "Synaptic" to remove Java |
| 20:38.34 | fprophet | http://pastebin.com/2CuWEbrX |
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| 20:39.07 | fprophet | I was trying to install java 7 but I butchered it up pretty good. |
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| 20:40.12 | user-X | fprophet: i can't help... sorry |
| 20:40.26 | fprophet | user-X: i dont have a desktop envionment installed. does synaptic require one? |
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| 20:41.40 | Tramp | fprophet: your /usr/bin/java is probably a link, not a file. Follow the link until you find the real file, then try dpkg --search again |
| 20:41.44 | user-X | fprophet: Synaptic is a computer program which is a GTK+ graphical user interface front-end to the Advanced Packaging Tool for the Debian package management system. |
| 20:41.57 | BusMaster | fprophet, dpkg -l *jdk*; does that show any packages whose status is ii ? |
| 20:42.24 | BusMaster | Tramp, it probably links to /etc/alternatives/java so not much help there |
| 20:42.34 | Doggie52 | What is the default VNC server on debian called? |
| 20:42.36 | Tramp | BusMaster: now follow that link |
| 20:42.58 | BusMaster | Tramp, ah, yes |
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| 20:43.31 | BusMaster | fprophet, ls -l /etc/alternatives/java; that will lead you to the package name |
| 20:44.26 | fprophet | BusMaster & Tramp: alright |
| 20:45.07 | BusMaster | fprophet, for example, on my system /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java . So I know that I am looking for openjdk-6-jre |
| 20:45.24 | jhutchins_wk | Doggie52: There are a couple that are available as well as an RDP server, but I don't think there's a "default". |
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| 20:45.50 | Doggie52 | jhutchins_wk, vino-server was the name I was looking for! Thanks anyway |
| 20:45.56 | jhutchins_wk | Doggie52: Aptitude search vnc |
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| 20:46.31 | xreal_train | How can I "diff" two files, which have additional lines? |
| 20:46.57 | fprophet | ah, cool :) that worked |
| 20:47.02 | fprophet | I think |
| 20:47.05 | fprophet | (I hope) |
| 20:47.17 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions vino-server |
| 20:47.18 | judd | No package named 'vino-server' was found in i386. |
| 20:47.27 | fprophet | java -version no longer works so thats a good sign :) |
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| 20:48.32 | stony | Hi there! |
| 20:49.14 | fprophet | Are there any easy ways to install java 7? |
| 20:49.39 | stony | I'm looking for some advice. Does anyone know a good debian based distro for education, capable of running nicely on a Raspberry Pi? |
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| 20:52.43 | vampirefrog | hi guys. I'm trying to get sound to work with multiple apps in squeeze amd64 (for example, rhythmbox + chrome + VirtualBox) |
| 20:53.02 | xreal_train | How can I "diff" two files, which have additional lines? I want to see the new entries only. |
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| 20:55.04 | fprophet | stony: little trolls cracked me up. thanks for that :) |
| 20:57.24 | Tramp | fprophet: aptitude search '~Pjava7' |
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| 20:59.45 | fprophet | oracle-java7-installer was the thing I tried last that buggered up |
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| 21:00.30 | stony | fprophet: pleasure! ;-) |
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| 21:04.43 | fprophet | Any reason I get this error? http://pastebin.com/2B8v5La1 |
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| 21:05.11 | fprophet | do I have to manually set how some path variables or something |
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| 21:08.09 | useless-eater | Im trying to install debian on an ssd for the first time, when booting after install all I get is a black screen. |
| 21:08.43 | jelly-home | fprophet: something else seems to be going wrong here... do you have a really small amount of (free) ram? |
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| 21:10.21 | jelly-home | fprophet: which java are you using? dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which java)) |
| 21:11.50 | fprophet | jelly-home: I have nearly 1.5gb free |
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| 21:12.08 | fprophet | # dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which java)) |
| 21:12.09 | fprophet | dpkg: /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-oracle/jre/bin/java not found. |
| 21:12.09 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, fprophet |
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| 21:17.13 | Hexeon | http://paste.debian.net/189617/ anyone has any idea how to resolve this? >_< |
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| 21:29.39 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: ReallY? |
| 21:29.40 | jelly-home | fprophet: that's weird, how did you install it then |
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| 21:30.09 | jelly-home | fprophet: which debian release are you using? |
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| 21:31.42 | jelly-home | Hexeon: it tells you how to fix it in the line 6, starting with E: ... try that. |
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| 21:32.43 | fprophet | 6.0, 64bit version |
| 21:32.53 | fprophet | jelly-home: also, I figured out what was causing the problem |
| 21:33.09 | fprophet | jelly-home: have to run programs with -Xmx??!m arg |
| 21:33.14 | jelly-home | Hexeon: did you not say you only had cvs and apache on that system? If you don't need a ldap server, get rid of slapd |
| 21:33.16 | jhutchins_wk | fprophet: care to share? |
| 21:33.29 | fprophet | jhutchins_wk: did :) |
| 21:33.30 | zinx | fprophet: memory eating programs :( |
| 21:33.46 | fprophet | zinx: indeed :( |
| 21:34.07 | zinx | fprophet: there is probably somewhere you can set the default amount for that |
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| 21:34.19 | fprophet | zinx: thats what im trying to find right now |
| 21:34.34 | zinx | fprophet: probably in /etc/java-[67]* |
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| 21:34.54 | zinx | fprophet: and it may not have the value there already :/ |
| 21:35.04 | fprophet | zinx: I'll take a look, thank you :) |
| 21:35.18 | zinx | fprophet: yeah, looks like jvm.cfg |
| 21:35.30 | jelly-home | fprophet: -version should not necessitate use of -X options |
| 21:35.36 | zinx | fprophet: which is apparently disappearing very soon |
| 21:36.07 | jhutchins_wk | Oh, javaspawn! We had one of those. They wanted us to add 64G of RAM. |
| 21:36.20 | zinx | fprophet: hmm that may not be the right file anyway, no idea |
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| 21:36.36 | jelly-home | wonders what oracle-java7-installer is |
| 21:36.36 | zinx | jhutchins_wk: is that all? |
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| 21:37.00 | zinx | jelly-home: the latest installer for an insecure virtual machine runtime |
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| 21:37.18 | fprophet | zinx: that's what I'm using :( |
| 21:37.31 | jelly-home | fprophet: where did you get it from? |
| 21:37.38 | fprophet | aptitude |
| 21:37.57 | fprophet | i mean, apt-get |
| 21:38.04 | fprophet | I'm bad at linux |
| 21:38.09 | fprophet | and I feel shame.. |
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| 21:38.28 | jelly-home | fprophet: could you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy oracle-java7-installer" and just "apt-cache policy", please. |
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| 21:40.10 | fprophet | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/4KP7cUy6 |
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| 21:41.14 | jelly-home | fprophet: oh. That package, and the repo you added, seem to be created for ubuntu 12.04 release. There's no warranty they'd work on anything else. |
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| 21:41.36 | jelly-home | and indeed, they seem to make a bit of a mess |
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| 21:42.14 | fprophet | jelly-home: are there no java7 repos for debian? |
| 21:42.28 | zinx | fprophet: there's openjdk-7-jre |
| 21:42.45 | fprophet | zinx: I tried to install that, couldnt locate though |
| 21:42.51 | zinx | at least in sid... which i can't recommend running |
| 21:43.22 | jelly-home | fprophet: correct. the best you can get is "grab the tarball jdk, or the .bin jre from oracle, and use make-jpkg tool from java-package from unstable to make a .deb, then install _that |
| 21:43.46 | fprophet | ugh |
| 21:44.01 | fprophet | the download site is a nightmare |
| 21:44.33 | jelly-home | eyup |
| 21:45.01 | jelly-home | ,v java-package |
| 21:45.02 | judd | Package: java-package on i386 -- lenny/contrib: 0.42; wheezy/contrib: 0.50; sid/contrib: 0.50+nmu1; experimental/contrib: 0.51~exp1 |
| 21:45.17 | zinx | fprophet: it's Oracle, what do you expect :) |
| 21:47.11 | jelly-home | oh good, they've fixed some bugs in 0.50 |
| 21:47.30 | jelly-home | er, some bugs from 0.50 are fixed in 0.51 |
| 21:48.42 | fprophet | apparently I already downloaded that tar decompressed it |
| 21:48.58 | jelly-home | fprophet: grab the very latest java-package from packages.debian.org and install it manually using dpkg (and some apt-get -f install if needed), then use make-jpkg on the .bin or .tar.gz you downloaded |
| 21:49.02 | jelly-home | don't unpack |
| 21:49.28 | fprophet | jelly-home: the thing I have came from oracles' site |
| 21:49.46 | jelly-home | fprophet: you need both that tar.gz and make-jpkg, to make a .deb |
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| 21:50.31 | user-X | g2g.. see ya all |
| 21:50.35 | fprophet | jelly-home: alright, I'll see if I make something of this |
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| 21:53.59 | jelly-home | fprophet: btw Oracle's Java 7 has more known security issues than Oracle Java 6 at present. If you don't absolutely require Java 7, consider using 6 instead |
| 21:54.17 | jelly-home | it's even harder to find out the correct download place for that one tho ;-) |
| 21:55.07 | jelly-home | the result of make-jpkg is something like |
| 21:55.13 | jelly-home | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly users 37780082 Sep 7 21:44 oracle-j2re1.6_1.6.0+update35_i386.deb |
| 21:55.24 | abrotman | i think they've hidden java6 pretty well |
| 21:55.32 | jelly-home | buggerers |
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| 21:55.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp |
| 21:56.03 | abrotman | for reference, of course |
| 21:56.28 | jelly-home | google knows it as well |
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| 21:58.53 | fprophet | jelly-home: default-jdk ? |
| 21:59.08 | jelly-home | fprophet: what about it |
| 21:59.20 | fprophet | jelly-home: first repo java repo I had installed. 1.6 |
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| 22:00.40 | jelly-home | fprophet: er... do you have a question about it or? |
| 22:01.52 | fprophet | jelly-home: no, you said it was harder to find though |
| 22:02.18 | jelly-home | fprophet: I meant oracle's java6 |
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| 22:03.09 | jelly-home | fprophet: different from openjdk-6-jdk which is what default-jdk pulls in |
| 22:03.22 | Hexeon | jelly-home: it's worked for the most part. still got some packages left to update though |
| 22:03.23 | jelly-home | are you confused yet. |
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| 22:04.28 | jelly-home | Hexeon: that's SOP with release upgrades... things upgrade, some stuff breaks, dpkg --configure -a, apt-get -f install, continue upgrades, until its finished |
| 22:05.55 | jelly-home | Hexeon: you will want to install the latest kernel each new release provides and reboot into it, see if it works |
| 22:06.27 | Hexeon | yeah I had to remove a package and install it from scratch cause the configuration file was broken |
| 22:07.25 | Hexeon | and somehow it boots to ICE WM instead of commandline now |
| 22:08.07 | jelly-home | !nodm |
| 22:08.07 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 22:08.22 | jelly-home | Hexeon: ^^ if you want to disable it |
| 22:08.44 | Hexeon | I dunno. I kind like it. old school WM |
| 22:08.46 | jelly-home | that echo probably only works on squeeze |
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| 22:09.03 | Hexeon | I even attached a mouse to the machine to see if it worked |
| 22:09.08 | Hexeon | and it did |
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| 22:27.10 | LordDeath | which version of php is included in debian6 with apache2? |
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| 22:27.18 | bs0d | Hello everybody |
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| 22:27.43 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: The default behavior these days will be to start the window manager if one is installed. |
| 22:28.11 | jelly-home | ,v libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:28.13 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-php5 on i386 -- lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny16; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze8; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze13; squeeze-proposed-updates: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze14; sid: 5.4.4-7; wheezy: 5.4.4-7; experimental: 5.4.6-2 |
| 22:28.25 | jelly-home | LordDeath: ^^ 5.3.3 |
| 22:28.38 | themill | +backported security fixes |
| 22:28.51 | bs0d | I have got into trouble with one of my disks. After a HW failure all files on one of my disks are not readable. Disk manager shows there is 1.1 TB occupied, but not a single file is readable, only lost+found dir is displayed. fsck sais filesystem is healthy. What can I do to recover those files? |
| 22:28.53 | abrotman | a lot of them ... |
| 22:29.12 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: you can also set up useful runlevels and use them to control what configuration the system runs with. |
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| 22:29.49 | jelly-home | bs0d: what's in lost+found ? |
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| 22:30.08 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: Restore them from the backups you dilligently made, knowing that hardware fails and you might need them. |
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| 22:30.38 | jhutchins_wk | There are some recovery tools, but if everything' in lost+found now you're chances are poor. |
| 22:30.47 | jelly-home | jhutchins_wk: ask yourself now: would a person with valid backups even BE ASKING that kind of question on irc in the first place |
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| 22:31.05 | jhutchins_wk | I dunno, after that last question... |
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| 22:31.48 | jhutchins_wk | We may hope that others see the correlation - no backup = no data and actually start doing backups. |
| 22:32.07 | bs0d | jelly-home, there are plenty of files with names like #148742 and such, # and some number |
| 22:32.42 | jelly-home | bs0d: those are in all likelihood your files, it's the directory structure and filenames that are lost |
| 22:32.51 | Hexeon | jelly-home: how come it still says "439 packages upgraded, 61 newly installed" after I run it thru once already |
| 22:33.13 | jelly-home | Hexeon: you did not finish the upgrade yet |
| 22:33.37 | Hexeon | how come it didn't finish? I ran aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:33.47 | jelly-home | Hexeon: and it brokein the middle, right? |
| 22:33.54 | bs0d | jelly-home, I dont think those are my files, coz the size of that folder is 3.4 MB total, and total space occupied on disk is 1.1 TB |
| 22:33.55 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: So you examine each file and try to figure out what it was. The "file" command may help identify the type of file, which you can then open with something that will let you figure out what it was. |
| 22:34.01 | Hexeon | I don't think it broke. I am not sure |
| 22:34.20 | jelly-home | Hexeon: you said you had to manually fix at least one package |
| 22:34.31 | Hexeon | yeah I fixed it. then I ran it again |
| 22:34.52 | jelly-home | Hexeon: did you keep the logs of the run with script, as suggested? |
| 22:35.02 | bs0d | jhutchins_wk, I doubt there is something useful in those files, coz 1338 files are total 3.4 MB in size in lost+found folders. Those are definitely not the files themselves :( |
| 22:35.07 | Hexeon | no not the 2nd time |
| 22:35.10 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: If you're lucky they'll all be complete files, not just fragments. |
| 22:35.27 | jelly-home | Hexeon: then I don't know how to figure out what happened |
| 22:35.40 | Hexeon | I am running it again |
| 22:35.55 | jelly-home | Hexeon: what does your sources.list look like at present? |
| 22:35.58 | grzeslaw | hello guys,, Few days ago I set up in php.ini upload_tmp_dir to /var/noexist/ folder which really exist but is not writable to other users then root. I add it also to open_basedir path.. and from this time. I have in my selinux audit.log many information that somethink try to log to it.. I get a big logcheck messages to my email. could I in some way disable this messages, but only for this dir ? |
| 22:36.07 | bs0d | jhutchins_wk so you are telling me all those 3.4 MB are the remains of my files and everything apart from that is irrecoverably lost? |
| 22:36.30 | eamon | Gan I install Debian with just CD 1? http://debian.heanet.ie/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:36.32 | abrotman | possibly ... |
| 22:36.36 | abrotman | eamon: yes |
| 22:36.40 | eamon | Gan/Can |
| 22:36.44 | jelly-home | bs0d: no irrevocably, most of your stuff is still on disk. Contact a professional data recovery service. |
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| 22:37.11 | jelly-home | bs0d: do _not_ write on that disk. Avoid mounting it as well. |
| 22:37.17 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: That is what I would guess without looking at the system more closely. The recovery tools I know of probably won't work after fsck has "recovered" that data. |
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| 22:37.27 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: ext3? |
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| 22:38.17 | bs0d | jhutchins_wk yes, ext3 |
| 22:38.23 | jelly-home | grzeslaw: you're using selinux on Debian? |
| 22:38.47 | grzeslaw | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:38.50 | jhutchins_wk | There's some sort of tool that suggests recovering image files, something like picrecover... |
| 22:39.03 | bs0d | stange that fsck sais filesystem is ok .. if the problem is not in the filesystem, then what is it? |
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| 22:39.13 | jelly-home | grzeslaw: adapt your policy to your usage, then. I don't know how that's done. |
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| 22:39.47 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: fsck sees a nominally functional filesystem. It's just not the filesystem that had your data in it. |
| 22:39.52 | jelly-home | bs0d: it's not really strange. The fs metadata seems consistent... it's just consistently empty. |
| 22:40.03 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: Is what fsck sees the same size as your previous partition? |
| 22:40.15 | jelly-home | bs0d: also: do not fsck it further. |
| 22:40.28 | grzeslaw | jelly-home: right.. I must solve it by selinux policy and thats all |
| 22:41.24 | jhutchins_wk | jelly-home: Damage is probably already done. Do you know what recovery tool I'm thinking of? |
| 22:41.46 | jelly-home | no. I recommend asking a professional service for a quote. |
| 22:42.18 | Guest27168 | I'm trying to run the following command "netcat -l -p 8000 -e /usr/local/src/process_nc.sh" however I keep getting "can't grab 0.0.0.0:8000 with bind". How can I fix this? |
| 22:42.18 | jelly-home | if the data is worth more than that quote, get them to recover it; if not, write it off and move along |
| 22:42.35 | jhutchins_wk | Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 22:43.25 | superstraw | nice |
| 22:43.36 | jhutchins_wk | Guest27168: What user are you running as? |
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| 22:44.30 | jhutchins_wk | No, that's > 1024, should be ok for non-root. |
| 22:45.00 | Guest27168 | jhutchins_wk: a regular user but then I tried doing this as root and it made no difference. |
| 22:45.17 | bs0d | Good that I had nothing valuable on this disk, only movies. But I thought that there is a quite easy way to get this data back. Ok then, let it be lost, nothing serious. |
| 22:45.34 | jhutchins_wk | Guest27168: Yeah, I'm used to seeing five-digit ports for non-root, but it's actually ok for anything above 1024. |
| 22:45.39 | Guest27168 | jhutchins_wk: I checked into it further and I'll be honest I don't know much about netcat, but I believe when binding a port one requires to have bind installed. Well oddly I don't have it. so trying to find the package. |
| 22:45.49 | bs0d | thanks guys |
| 22:45.59 | Guest27168 | what the heck... I'm a guest again argh |
| 22:46.02 | jhutchins_wk | bs0d: Nope, really isn't. Very hard to un-delete ext3 as well. |
| 22:46.10 | Hexeon | this is what happened: http://paste.debian.net/189623/ |
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| 22:47.06 | jelly-home | Guest27168: binding a port to get a listening tcp service has to do with bind(2) syscall, not with BIND the nameserver |
| 22:47.33 | jelly-home | Guest27168: there's nothing extra to be installed |
| 22:48.29 | Guest27168 | jhutchins_wk: yeah... just trying to get it to work. |
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| 22:49.04 | Guest27168 | jelly-home: yeah I don't seem to have that installed I don't think. when I do man bind there is no entry. |
| 22:49.08 | jelly-home | Guest27168: either something else is already using that port on any of the local IPs, or the previous user did not set SO_LINGER and exited abruptly |
| 22:49.16 | Hexeon | I removed the package |
| 22:50.09 | Guest27168 | jelly-home: mmm where do you suggest to do from here? there should be nothing using port 8000, I just setup this system up. |
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| 22:50.42 | Hexeon | so when it encounters an error, it rolls everything back? |
| 22:50.42 | jelly-home | Guest27168: use netstat to verify that's really the case, for a start |
| 22:50.55 | jelly-home | Hexeon: no, it stops in the middle. |
| 22:51.30 | Guest27168 | jelly-home: oh okay, well I'll have to go do some reading. I've never used netstat before and I only have the general idea of it. |
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| 22:51.49 | Guest27168 | jelly-home: I still think its odd that I don't have bind(2) entry in man. |
| 22:52.04 | daemonkeeper | apt-get install manpages-dev |
| 22:52.11 | abrotman | Guest27168: bah, he beat me to it |
| 22:52.16 | roy__ | using linux now ;) anything particularly cool i can do with it ? :) |
| 22:52.22 | jelly-home | Hexeon: the release notes will tell you what to do in that case, typically you first run "dpkg --configure -a" to let the already unpacked packages set up completely |
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| 22:52.42 | abrotman | roy__: conquer the world .. or at least Andorra |
| 22:52.45 | Guest27168 | :-) thanks daemonkeeper |
| 22:52.57 | jelly-home | Hexeon: they you do "apt-get -f install" to get apt into a consistent state. |
| 22:53.37 | jelly-home | Hexeon: then you run the thing you ran before again, whether it was "aptitude dist-upgrade", or something else |
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| 22:54.32 | jelly-home | roy__: you can learn some programming. |
| 22:54.51 | roy__ | abrotman: well let me first figure out how to set up mamba ;) |
| 22:54.57 | roy__ | i know some programming |
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| 22:56.03 | jelly-home | learn some more then |
| 22:56.05 | roy__ | actually i might take advantage of the opportunity to learn php |
| 22:56.12 | jelly-home | oh fuck no |
| 22:56.20 | WinstonSmith | learn perl |
| 22:56.48 | jelly-home | get python ruby perl TCL Java C# C++ C anything |
| 22:56.51 | roy__ | at this point i know some c/c++ and c# |
| 22:57.07 | jelly-home | roy__: write an angry birds clone. |
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| 22:57.30 | jelly-home | or at least a sokoban |
| 22:58.00 | Hexeon | what is cpuburn? do I need it? |
| 22:58.13 | roy__ | this is an ipad app i've been working on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJA4wR5ChY |
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| 22:58.51 | roy__ | did that with Unity3d, but i'd like to learn some more about web development |
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| 22:59.08 | roy__ | content management stuff |
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| 22:59.50 | abrotman | wonders if iPad runs on Debian .. |
| 23:00.06 | faustische | wicd fails to obtain IP using WEP, I have used all the 3 passphrase options: hex, passphrase, and another one there |
| 23:00.09 | faustische | any clues? |
| 23:00.15 | roy__ | you say though its better to get started with perl than php is that also true for stuff like that ? |
| 23:00.17 | faustische | I can connect to wifi using the cli |
| 23:00.27 | jelly-home | Hexeon: a tool to the thermal characteristics of older cpus and mainbridge chips. You don't need it |
| 23:00.34 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: The real question is: Does it have a crypted bootloader loading signed code only? |
| 23:00.43 | abrotman | daemonkeeper: i don't even know what it is |
| 23:00.50 | jelly-home | Hexeon: dpkg -s package shows a Description among other things |
| 23:00.55 | abrotman | faustische: which version of Debian ? |
| 23:01.00 | daemonkeeper | abrotman: Well, your ipad's "grub" :> |
| 23:01.04 | faustische | I have tried both of the automatic IP assignment and the dhclient option |
| 23:01.13 | faustische | abrotman, squeeze, stable |
| 23:01.24 | faustische | abrotman, xfce |
| 23:01.27 | abrotman | faustische: and yu checked the box to turn on security? |
| 23:01.33 | Hexeon | I am answering Y to all the configuration files |
| 23:01.50 | faustische | abrotman, where's that box located? |
| 23:01.58 | faustische | abrotman, I don't think so |
| 23:01.59 | abrotman | in the connection properties |
| 23:02.14 | faustische | abrotman, I enabled encryption |
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| 23:03.10 | faustische | abrotman, it's the stable wheezy xfcd live cd installed on my netbook with a linux broadcom firmware from the official non-free repos |
| 23:03.27 | abrotman | oh .. i have no idea abou tthe liveCD |
| 23:03.46 | faustische | abrotman, everything works beautifully except for wicd |
| 23:03.48 | abrotman | i use wicd with lxde with squeeze adn wep and wpa, works fine |
| 23:03.56 | abrotman | but it's actualyl installed |
| 23:03.57 | faustische | hmm |
| 23:04.06 | faustische | abrotman, mine is installed as well |
| 23:04.34 | abrotman | you just said it was the liveCD .. |
| 23:05.01 | Guest27168 | mmm I dunno about this netcat... anyways hopefully figure it out tomorrow. take care all. |
| 23:05.04 | faustische | abrotman, yeah I installed it using the text-mode installed from the live CD's boot prompt |
| 23:05.13 | faustische | s/installed/installer/ |
| 23:05.31 | abrotman | faustische: have you tried without encrpytion ? |
| 23:05.39 | faustische | abrotman, lemme try |
| 23:05.44 | abrotman | hopes he meant netstat, not netcat |
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| 23:06.08 | faustische | abrotman, I do know that my wifi network is encrypted with WEP |
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| 23:06.53 | abrotman | blames broadcom |
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| 23:07.40 | lighterapp | my girlfriend has an account on my laptop running squeeze, she is a sudoer with full privileges. how can i prevent her or even myself from installing with apt-get a package called menu or any other deb package that has menu as its dependency? |
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| 23:08.25 | abrotman | don't give her full sudo? |
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| 23:08.35 | lighterapp | or even myself? |
| 23:08.38 | peaveyman | I am going to use the business card iso to install debian testing |
| 23:08.57 | abrotman | lighterapp: ISTR you could use pinning and set it to never be installed .. but why don't you want 'menu' ? |
| 23:09.02 | peaveyman | i have a windows 7 install I want to dual boot with |
| 23:09.24 | peaveyman | will the debian install add the windows 7 to the boot menu |
| 23:09.37 | abrotman | if you install os-prober |
| 23:09.47 | faustische | abrotman, the network is encrypted using wep |
| 23:09.48 | lighterapp | installing menu screws up my icewm menu settings whenever a new app is added with apt-get |
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| 23:10.15 | abrotman | faustische: right .. you can't turn that off ? |
| 23:10.30 | faustische | abrotman, I have to add that the system connected only once after a reboot |
| 23:10.33 | faustische | abrotman, nope |
| 23:10.39 | faustische | abrotman, I can't |
| 23:10.57 | abrotman | faustische: i use wicd in squeeze with wpa and wep .. |
| 23:11.00 | lighterapp | abrotmn: please tell me about that pinning thing |
| 23:11.05 | abrotman | did you look in the syslog or message for an error ? |
| 23:11.09 | faustische | abrotman, thank you anyway |
| 23:11.10 | abrotman | lighterapp: abro<tab> |
| 23:11.19 | abrotman | faustische: look for an error in the logs |
| 23:11.25 | abrotman | lighterapp: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 23:11.57 | abrotman | is pretty sure a lot of apps depend on 'menu' .. |
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| 23:12.58 | faustische | abrotman, ok |
| 23:13.26 | lighterapp | abrotman, so far i have found just a couple that i can certainly do without. i do not need menu to have a working system which is what i have right now that i removed menu. |
| 23:13.50 | abrotman | wouldnt' call that working .. |
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| 23:15.17 | lighterapp | squeeze, icewm and a bunch of including icewesel and i hardly use swap. i have 192MB RAM on my pentium II laptop |
| 23:15.53 | abrotman | and? |
| 23:16.03 | lighterapp | abrotman, i do need menu |
| 23:16.04 | abrotman | you're crippling the system .. wouldn't call that working |
| 23:16.10 | lighterapp | abrotman, i do not need menu |
| 23:16.15 | abrotman | make up your mind |
| 23:16.23 | lighterapp | sorry, typo |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | if you say so .. not my box |
| 23:16.42 | abrotman | i'd call that a broken system |
| 23:16.44 | alpre_ | 40MB RAM used without iceweasel, with menu |
| 23:16.48 | Hexeon | woohoo "0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 23:17.02 | Hexeon | so I am all done? |
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| 23:17.46 | Zharf | I don't have menu either, never had it on this box! |
| 23:17.55 | Zharf | and I haven't explicitly removed it either... |
| 23:17.57 | Hexeon | oh well. will be back tomorrow |
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| 23:18.12 | abrotman | Zharf: menu-xdg ? |
| 23:18.21 | Zharf | nope |
| 23:18.37 | xispirito | o put a full big Kde in my Desk aha |
| 23:18.39 | abrotman | regardless, not my box .. i like the things that menu/menu-xdg do for my box |
| 23:18.59 | xispirito | ops, not here |
| 23:19.29 | lighterapp | i do not need menu. i have a very stable system and, believe or not , it is not slow, provided i do not open another app while surfing with iceweasel |
| 23:19.45 | themill | lighterapp: icewm explicitly drags in menu. I would hope that means that it plays nicely with it. If it doesn't, perhaps you should be filing a bug against it. |
| 23:19.49 | Zharf | abrotman, I'm not arguing against it however, I just noticed that I didn't have it when you said that a lot of apps probably depend on it :) |
| 23:20.20 | abrotman | Zharf: maybe it's just apps i use .. dunno |
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| 23:20.40 | lighterapp | i have icewm working without package menu right now and i am very happy |
| 23:20.47 | alpre_ | for me, actually only virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 causes menu to be installed |
| 23:21.46 | lighterapp | themill: on squeeze you do not need menu to install icewm. menu is not an icewm dependency. |
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| 23:22.17 | themill | ,why icewm menu |
| 23:22.22 | judd | Packages icewm and menu in squeeze/i386 are linked by 1 chains: icewm ▶ icewm-common ▷ menu |
| 23:22.44 | abrotman | hollow is a recommends? |
| 23:22.50 | themill | lighterapp: it is, actually. It's a recommended package, as I said, it's explictly dragged in by icewm |
| 23:22.54 | themill | abrotman: yes |
| 23:23.20 | abrotman | unless he's turned off recommends |
| 23:23.41 | themill | that's his problem. the dependency is still there |
| 23:23.48 | lighterapp | menu is a recommended package but i installed icewm without installing menu and i can certainly do without menu |
| 23:24.06 | themill | gives up |
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| 23:27.21 | lighterapp | can anyone tell me the command that i have to execute to get a list of ALL deb packages that have menu as a dependency? |
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| 23:28.51 | epsilon | lighterapp: try deinstall it in dry-run mode and see the dependncies |
| 23:28.53 | abrotman | lighterapp: man apt-cache |
| 23:29.04 | faustische | wicd can always obtain IP address after booting but it fails to do so after disconnection and reconnection |
| 23:29.07 | faustische | what's wrong? |
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| 23:29.59 | root_929 | hi |
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| 23:30.33 | somiaj | faustische: wicd is kinda a dead project so maybe there are some lingering bugs. Though wicd does have a good log file, see if you can read though your log file and see what happens. Also is this a wired or wireless interface? |
| 23:30.42 | root_929 | hi |
| 23:31.04 | faustische | somiaj, thanks for helping me, where's the log file? |
| 23:31.21 | lighterapp | epsilon: i uninstalled menu and apt-get did not complain about packages that have menu as a dependency. i have to point out that i have a very slim syste because my laptop is a pentium II with 192MB RAM (max supported by mainboard) |
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| 23:31.34 | faustische | somiaj, what do you recommend instead of wicd, it seems more powerful than the network-manager |
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| 23:31.41 | themill | lighterapp: you don't need to keep repeating yourself. We know that detail. |
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| 23:32.10 | somiaj | faustische: hmm, maybe wicd is under development again (when I last looked a yaer or two ago its development had completely stoped) |
| 23:32.18 | somiaj | faustische: either way, /var/log/wicd (or soemthign like that) |
| 23:32.26 | faustische | somiaj, I see :) |
| 23:32.52 | somiaj | faustische: I personally do everything in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 23:33.20 | somiaj | faustische: but it could be a flaky wireless driver (I have that problem on my laptop), my wireless loods assocation with the ap and even restarting the network doesn't reassoicate it |
| 23:33.27 | faustische | somiaj, I'd better do so as well, I used to have CentOS on this netbook with everything in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:33.52 | faustische | somiaj, I guess I'll stick to the cli solution |
| 23:33.53 | lighterapp | themill, now that i have a full working system (for my needs), the next step is creating a recovery cd containg an image of my install. clonezilla is not an option, so i am considering mondo |
| 23:34.23 | somiaj | faustische: well I first look though the logs and see if you can see what is happening. I recal lthe wicd logs loging every little action wicd did, so it shoudl tell you why it is failing to reobtain an IP |
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| 23:35.28 | faustische | somiaj, OK, I'll inspect the logs |
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| 23:35.51 | faustische | somiaj, but I do prefer wicd to the network manager |
| 23:36.21 | somiaj | yea I do to, but find them both bulky |
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| 23:36.55 | faustische | somiaj, seems like thousands of people are having this problem: https://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=oII&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=wicd+boot+connect+obtain+ip+address&oq=wicd+boot+connect+obtain+ip+address&gs_l=serp.3...410621.411681.0.411931.7.7.0.0.0.5.229.1104.0j3j3.6.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.pjTWtDIZ7iM |
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| 23:37.26 | faustische | google: wicd connect obtain ip address |
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| 23:39.50 | somiaj | I had a similar issue, but it wasn't wicd's fault, it was crappy linux wireless drivers and my card not staying assoicated with the AP. |
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| 23:40.48 | faustische | somiaj, yeah I'm using a lousy broadcom firmware as well, dollar is skyrocketing in Iran and I can't afford a laptop :( |
| 23:40.50 | faustische | damn |
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| 23:41.19 | gnat_x | is anyone else having issues with the newest iceweeasel and xul-ext-torbutton ? i know that's no longer the recommended path upstream, but i don't see a browser bundle anywhere. |
| 23:41.33 | somiaj | faustische: I bought a linksys usb wireless card, cost $10 and works in the places my internal one doesn't. Though most places I use my laptop I plug into a wired network. |
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| 23:41.54 | faustische | gnat_x, you can always download firefox and add a launcher to it in the menu |
| 23:42.04 | faustische | gnat_x, my 2 cents ;) |
| 23:42.24 | somiaj | gnat_x: what is the newest iceweasel? Are you running testing or unstable? How have you insatlled this newest version if you are running squeeze. |
| 23:42.29 | gnat_x | faustische: its not iceweasel that's the problem though. tor is just giving me dozens of popups. |
| 23:42.36 | faustische | somiaj, lemme try the good ol network manager and see what happens |
| 23:42.57 | faustische | gnat_x, I use FoxyProxy Basic for Tor |
| 23:43.05 | faustische | gnat_x, I depend on Tor 24/7 |
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| 23:43.22 | jeep | hi |
| 23:43.30 | faustische | gnat_x, never been able to come to terms with the tor_button |
| 23:43.52 | gnat_x | somiaj: i'm running wheezy. iceweasel (ff) 15. |
| 23:44.02 | somiaj | ,versions iceweasel |
| 23:44.03 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 10.0.7esr-1; sid: 10.0.7esr-2; experimental: 15.0-1 |
| 23:44.27 | gnat_x | ahh. then i guess i'm running experimental. |
| 23:44.29 | somiaj | gnat_x: how did you install iceweasel 15 in wheezy? I wouldn't just install the experimental package it is built against sid base system |
| 23:44.42 | abrotman | gnat_x: mozilla.debian.net |
| 23:44.47 | gnat_x | as my apt preferences would sugges. :) |
| 23:44.48 | somiaj | gnat_x: do not mix versions of debian, you can run into issues, but being an offical debian package, check the BTS to see what the know issues are |
| 23:44.59 | lighterapp | since i can not use clonezilla, i am considering mondo but i am open to suggestions as long as they are free software apps and have the same (or better) functionality that mondo offers. Anyone? |
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| 23:45.29 | gnat_x | abrotman: experimental is what that site is currently telling wheezy users to sue. |
| 23:46.03 | somiaj | gnat_x: not it is not |
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| 23:46.30 | somiaj | gnat_x: that site backports or builds packages for the appropriate version. Building the xperimential package against wheezy libs is different than using the experimentail package. |
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| 23:47.35 | gnat_x | okay, then there's a bug in the javascript... because i have it set to "I am running Debian "testing (wheezy)" and I want to install "Iceweasel" version "release" |
| 23:47.51 | gnat_x | and it tells me: deb http://your-mirror.debian.org/debian experimental main |
| 23:47.55 | jeep | lighterapp: your backing up a drive ? |
| 23:47.59 | gnat_x | and apt-get install -t experimental iceweasel |
| 23:49.27 | somiaj | hmm, I guess it is. Strange I wouldn't suggest running experiemntal packages on wheezy. Maybe wheezy statisfies the depends. You should still check the BTS |
| 23:49.35 | lighterapp | jepp: i want to do what windows users do with symantec ghost, that is creating an iso image of my hard drive, burn it into a cd and then restore from bare metal if necessary |
| 23:49.58 | somiaj | lighterapp: I like rsync and a usb drive to backup to |
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| 23:50.37 | lighterapp | rsync does not offer the functionality that mondo offers |
| 23:50.56 | jeep | lighterapp: have you looked at the abilities of dd ? |
| 23:51.09 | lighterapp | dd does not offer the functionality that mondo offers |
| 23:51.20 | somiaj | what funcionaltiy does mondo offer that is missing from rsync? |
| 23:52.26 | lighterapp | http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml |
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| 23:54.27 | surial | I'm trying to obtain a CD or USB to install debian with; the standard mirrors all have a bunch of files I can use to construct a new installer. I just want an iso I can dump on a CD and move on. Do these exist? |
| 23:54.37 | somiaj | don't see one feature you can't achive via rsync. But yea it looks like a decent tool if you don't want to design your own backup system to fit your needs |
| 23:54.59 | somiaj | surial: grab the stable netinstall iso (even if you are wanting to install testing) |
| 23:55.06 | surial | ah. |
| 23:55.16 | somiaj | surial: this is probabaly the suggested installer if your machine will be on a decent network |
| 23:55.21 | surial | somiaj: it will be. |
| 23:55.24 | surial | mini.iso, that's the one? |
| 23:55.32 | somiaj | netinstall.iso |
| 23:55.42 | surial | not present. |
| 23:55.48 | surial | I got mini.iso and netboot.tar.gz. |
| 23:55.49 | somiaj | surial: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:55.51 | surial | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 23:55.55 | surial | okay. |
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| 23:56.08 | somiaj | if you need a differnt arch than the multiarch, look around |
| 23:56.29 | somiaj | you can burn that to a cd or cat/dd it to a usb drive and it will boot just fine too |
| 23:56.30 | surial | nah, this should be fine. |
| 23:56.37 | surial | just what I was looking for. Thanks a lot! |
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| 23:57.58 | jeep | lighterapp: have you used mondo before it looks pretty good |
| 23:58.20 | jeep | lighterapp: dd can do all that however its not user friendly just fyi |
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