| 00:00.37 | somiaj | yea with dd/rsync you do have to design how your backup/restore will work, but once you do it is simple and relaiable |
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| 00:07.37 | phix | Iam running debian as a lxc guest, and I keep getting these messages --> init: Id "c4" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 00:08.01 | phix | It seems that TTY1-4 keeps failing to spawn, any way to fix that? or get rid of those TTYs if they are not needed? |
| 00:09.38 | lighterapp | jeep: i have used mondo and in my opinion it is better than clonezilla, with mondo you can clone a live system with ALL partitions mounted. mondo only needs a system with at least 92MB RAM, clonezilla says i only needs 196MB RAM but in reality it needs 256MB RAM as a minimum |
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| 00:10.28 | blackshirt | phix, i have no experiences, sorry |
| 00:10.33 | lighterapp | dd is useless if i upgrade my hard drive because it copies block by block |
| 00:10.35 | dondelelcaro | phix: that usually means that whatever you're running on doesn't have ttys1-4 or doesn't support them |
| 00:10.41 | dondelelcaro | lighterapp: not really |
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| 00:10.58 | dondelelcaro | lighterapp: you can easily dd, then adjust the partitions. |
| 00:11.13 | dondelelcaro | phix: you can just disable them in /etc/inittab |
| 00:11.18 | lighterapp | adjust with what? |
| 00:11.24 | lighterapp | a thrid party app? |
| 00:11.27 | dondelelcaro | lighterapp: with parted, fdisk, or similar |
| 00:11.31 | phix | dondelelcaro: ok so does it make sense to add them to the underlying lxc conf file? or should i just disable them in inittab? |
| 00:11.48 | phix | lighterapp: gparted live CD <3 |
| 00:12.04 | lighterapp | dd on it own is useless if i upgrade my hard drive because it copies block by block, i would need a third party app. |
| 00:12.16 | dondelelcaro | phix: I don't know; I don't use lxc. |
| 00:12.25 | dondelelcaro | phix: but either should work. |
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| 00:12.52 | dondelelcaro | lighterapp: you use dd to copy the data, and then fdisk or similar to modify the partitions you've copied. |
| 00:12.58 | dondelelcaro | lighterapp: it's not terribly difficult |
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| 00:13.40 | lighterapp | dondelelcaro, i need an all inclusive app and mondo seems to be the one |
| 00:13.50 | blackshirt | yes, i think dondelelcaro was right |
| 00:14.17 | dondelelcaro | lighterapp: then use whatever you want. |
| 00:14.23 | dondelelcaro | personally uses obnam, but YMMV. |
| 00:14.37 | jeep | lighterapp: dd will make you feel like a hero after you have it all setup ! mn |
| 00:14.43 | phix | dondelelcaro: so I wont be inevertinly disabling my console? |
| 00:14.55 | abrotman | is that a word? |
| 00:14.56 | jeep | lighterapp: mondo will just backup the data with no emotional benifit |
| 00:15.02 | martinm | are there known problems with mirrors.anl.gov? This evening it is once again borking up updates with an expired Release file (this is the first time I've been motivated to find out why exactly the process failed) |
| 00:15.28 | dondelelcaro | phix: not sure; you can check what tty you're using as a console with tty |
| 00:16.00 | dondelelcaro | martinm: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html should have the current mirror status. |
| 00:16.01 | lighterapp | jeep: have YOU used mondo? |
| 00:16.11 | phix | /dev/pts/3 |
| 00:16.30 | phix | SSH, I am guessing disabling TTYs wont affect SSH |
| 00:16.37 | dondelelcaro | phix: yeah, won't affect it at all |
| 00:16.40 | jeep | lighterapp:nope but i have used dd |
| 00:16.50 | dondelelcaro | martinm: it looks like it's at least 7 days out of date |
| 00:16.55 | dondelelcaro | martinm: I'd switch to a different mirror |
| 00:17.04 | dondelelcaro | (I'm not sure if someone has contacted that mirror operator) |
| 00:17.07 | somiaj | lighterapp: mondo seems like a decent app, go play aroudn with it |
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| 00:17.26 | jeep | lighterapp: dd and a little bash scripting you can cruise around like strutting rooster with the sense of accomplishment! |
| 00:17.27 | lighterapp | somiaj, yes i will . thanks |
| 00:17.54 | lighterapp | jeep: no need to do bash scripting, mondo is very user friendly |
| 00:17.57 | somiaj | lighterapp: my suggestion is just do a trial run. Erarse your hd with something like cat /dev/random > /dev/sda -- then restore from it. |
| 00:18.09 | martinm | dondelelcaro: thanks, I knew I'd seen that status list before but couldn't find it. already switched, just thought I'd raise the question, as I *have* seen this before |
| 00:18.15 | phix | dondelelcaro: awesome, thnx |
| 00:18.25 | jeep | somiaj: ooh can imagine the upset if it failed! |
| 00:19.01 | somiaj | jeep: well the idea is you do it in a controled setting where you have another means of backup or can reinstall. |
| 00:19.08 | somiaj | jeep: best check your backup before it is vital you need it. (: |
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| 00:21.13 | jeep | somiaj: i think i would make the backups .. go through delete some "garbage" .. then restore so if it failed i only lost well "garbage" i was getting rid of |
| 00:21.51 | somiaj | yea I'd want to go though the whole process of recering from nothing, but I would deintally have another dd or rsync backup (don't rely on a single backup) |
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| 00:22.07 | jeep | hi redwarriors25 |
| 00:22.20 | redwarriors25 | gud am |
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| 00:22.59 | redwarriors25 | morning simonlnu |
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| 00:37.00 | hiall | How do i force remove a package, http://paste2.org/p/2217369 is driving me nuts :/ |
| 00:37.27 | abrotman | start with a 'set -x' on the second line, see why it won't remove |
| 00:40.02 | redwarriors25 | jeep |
| 00:40.31 | hiall | abrotman: how do I do that in a dpkg command? |
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| 00:41.56 | jeep | redwarriors25 |
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| 00:42.19 | somiaj | hiall: in that case you can edit the post-reomval script located in /var/log/dpkg/info/package_name.postrm |
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| 00:42.39 | redwarriors25 | hi jeep |
| 00:42.56 | somiaj | hiall: you should try to fix what is failing, but you can just put 'exit 0' as the very top line, and then be responsable to manually undo anything the script was supose to do |
| 00:43.09 | hiall | somiaj: thank you |
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| 00:44.21 | mrphilov | I wrote a tool (https://github.com/time-palominodb/distribution) that I think would be nice in Debian. Tools I've written in the past (tedia2sql) got into Debian, but someone else did legwork. This is a simple tool, so there may well be a package this could go into; anyone know of a package to which this script might belong? (I'm searching http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=wnpp;dist=unstable#_4_5_6 and haven't found anything yet) |
| 00:44.54 | GreenET | Say, how come I got this email today from release.debian.org: "On 2012-09-12 (Wednesday), the following source package(s) entered testing:" --- Isn't "testing" frozen already? |
| 00:46.07 | somiaj | GreenET: yes it is frozen, though I'd check the change log, I'm sure there is some reason this package moved in. During the freeze changes can be made before the final stabalization. |
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| 00:47.14 | somiaj | mrphilov: not sure about that tool, but #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is a good place to ask questions about packaging. Though in your case once you find a package/source that seems reasonable I would contat the package matainer. |
| 00:47.48 | mrphilov | somiaj: Seems like sound advice. Thanks! |
| 00:48.34 | GreenET | somiaj: I see. It's a bunch of pkgs though. 11 actually. |
| 00:49.20 | somiaj | GreenET: well one source package can create multiple binaries |
| 00:49.58 | somiaj | GreenET: another thing is there are some packages that are in sid but not in wheezy due to conflicts, so I expect a few of these to get put into the wheezy release once the issue preventing them from getting in is fixed. |
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| 00:50.28 | GreenET | somiaj: got it. thanks for clue. |
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| 00:54.11 | Craigwd_2000 | Are there any plans to ever support Tiano Core...? I've got a HP ProBook 6565b & I was wondering if Wheey or maybe Sid already have Tiano Core Intel UEFI Boot images available because I was unable to boot a LiveCD the other day... |
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| 00:56.08 | somiaj | What is the Tiano Core? |
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| 00:57.21 | jeep | Craigwd_2000: http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/booting.html check this out might be informative |
| 00:57.32 | jeep | Craigwd_2000: i read it yesterday |
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| 01:04.15 | peaveyman | I want to download the dvd image via jigdo but there are 11 dvd to choose from, which should I get |
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| 01:04.48 | somiaj | peaveyman: 0 |
| 01:05.12 | somiaj | peaveyman: unless you really want an offline copy of the debian packages |
| 01:05.20 | Cogito_ | Hi everyone. I am looking to move my config files to conform to the XDG basedir standard. Is there any recommended way to do that in Debian, or things I need to look out for? |
| 01:05.28 | somiaj | peaveyman: you should just get the net install cd |
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| 01:05.39 | somiaj | peaveyman: dvd 1 will contain the most common packages and the installer |
| 01:06.10 | peaveyman | somiaj: I wanted to use the business card install but it keeps freezing at the choose a language screen |
| 01:06.31 | somiaj | netinstaller is preferable |
| 01:06.37 | peaveyman | If I get the netinstall iso can I burn it to a dvd |
| 01:06.39 | somiaj | it contains a functioning base system |
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| 01:06.47 | somiaj | you can burn it to a cd/dvd or even put it on a usb drive |
| 01:06.52 | peaveyman | because I don't think these cds are any good |
| 01:07.03 | peaveyman | I have a usb, never tried that before |
| 01:07.19 | somiaj | if your bios can boot from a usb (most mondern do) |
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| 01:07.41 | jeep | peaveyman: i like the program unetbootin but there are several ways to make the usb stick |
| 01:07.42 | somiaj | then just cat file.iso > /dev/sdb (thinking your usb drive is /dev/sdb -- note this will destory all data on the usb) |
| 01:07.45 | peaveyman | mine is almost brand new |
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| 01:07.54 | somiaj | unetbootin is known to make nonbootable images |
| 01:08.05 | somiaj | but people who get it to work sure like it. (: |
| 01:08.55 | peaveyman | I have plenty of dvd's, will use one of them |
| 01:09.13 | peaveyman | the cd's are -R, I normally use +R |
| 01:09.34 | jeep | somiaj: i have had 2 failures out of like 10 or so i think unetbootin does have some flaws |
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| 01:10.43 | peaveyman | I would have to make the bootable usb from Windows since I don't have a linux install yet |
| 01:11.13 | jeep | peaveyman: unetbootin is a windows program also |
| 01:12.34 | faustische | peaveyman, you can also write the Debian live CDs to a USB drive and give 'em a test drive |
| 01:12.51 | faustische | peaveyman, unetbootin would do the trick |
| 01:13.33 | nsadmin | right, late netinstall isos can just be dd-ed to a usb stick and booted |
| 01:14.00 | somiaj | problem is a easy windows tool, if I knew a simple dd/cat in windows I would suggest that over unetbootin |
| 01:14.16 | nsadmin | (back up the stick first, it will destroy all data) |
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| 01:14.30 | H4rx0rBG00 | !help |
| 01:15.04 | nsadmin | H4rx0rBG00, welcome to debian support. |
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| 01:15.09 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 01:15.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 01:18.51 | lighterapp | can anyone recommend me a *console* app to edit rtf files? |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | vi |
| 01:19.49 | abrotman | from what i recall, you can edit an RTF file using a simple text editor |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | the syntax is an open standard |
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| 01:20.13 | nsadmin | consoles cannot visually represent rtf |
| 01:20.51 | nsadmin | as abrotman suggests, you can edit the internal representation |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | he said edit .. not view |
| 01:21.17 | epsilon | maybe some editor with sytax highlighting for rtf |
| 01:21.22 | lighterapp | can anyone recommend me a *console* app to view and edit rtf files? |
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| 01:21.37 | abrotman | oh sure .. now he wants to view it ... |
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| 01:21.42 | lighterapp | indeed |
| 01:21.47 | lighterapp | ,) |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | probably better to ask google, i don't see anything in apt |
| 01:22.30 | jeep | i think you need a gui app to view .rtf |
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| 01:23.16 | lighterapp | as far as google is concerned i could not find any console app to view and edit rtf files |
| 01:23.29 | somiaj | libreoffice comes with a command line tool to convert files such as .rtf and others, convert it to normal text |
| 01:23.44 | somiaj | though there are simpliar more focused scripts for formats, bet ya there are already ones for rft files |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | but then it owuldn't be RTF anymore |
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| 01:24.02 | somiaj | oh he wants to view it in rtf format, not just see the data form it...:/ |
| 01:24.20 | abrotman | he's being picky ... |
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| 01:24.24 | lighterapp | somiaj: libreoffice is an X app and does not work on a system with 192MB RAM, |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | lighterapp: abiword may .. |
| 01:24.50 | lighterapp | i already have abiword but again that is an X app |
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| 01:24.57 | somiaj | look at the package unrtf |
| 01:24.59 | nsadmin | why do you have to edit it on that machine? |
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| 01:25.55 | jaggz | I'm grepping through a raw partition to find long-ago-deleted file data, but then grep chokes on some long line (out of memory) .. how do I properly search binary data (for an ascii string) .. ? |
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| 01:37.41 | Tramp | jaggz: with "strings"? |
| 01:39.32 | jaggz | well, I'm grepping with offsets being output (-b iirc) |
| 01:41.31 | WinstonSmith | to install a diskless machine, could i just debootstrap straight into the nfs share it is going to be shared from? |
| 01:41.37 | jaggz | strings before grep will ruin that |
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| 01:42.40 | WinstonSmith | i mean on the nfs server, into the dir that is going to be shared? |
| 01:45.06 | Tramp | jaggz: well - maybe try some of the forensic tools available |
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| 01:57.00 | Schrodinger`Cat | meow! |
| 01:57.05 | Schrodinger`Cat | !meow |
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| 01:57.24 | Schrodinger`Cat | !meow && meow |
| 01:57.51 | peaveyman | So I have tried both the business card and net install and both are freezing up when I get to the choose a language screen |
| 01:58.13 | Schrodinger`Cat | hum |
| 01:58.18 | Schrodinger`Cat | good architecture? |
| 01:58.24 | Schrodinger`Cat | i386 amd64... |
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| 01:58.38 | peaveyman | amd64 |
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| 01:59.29 | abrotman | does the stable netinst work ? |
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| 01:59.38 | peaveyman | tried the business card on a cd and the net install on the usb |
| 01:59.51 | peaveyman | both boot just fine just freeze on that screen |
| 02:00.12 | abrotman | tried expert mode ? |
| 02:00.19 | peaveyman | yep |
| 02:01.14 | peaveyman | have to try it later, time for bed |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | i'd try the stable netinst |
| 02:01.29 | peaveyman | I will download it and try it tomorrow |
| 02:01.31 | peaveyman | thanks |
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| 02:02.32 | GreenET | Debian Package Tracking System http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html spits out an "Error 404" about a package. Is there another URL to query to see if an app. is in "testing", or in "unstable"? |
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| 02:03.01 | abrotman | GreenET: sure .. packages.debian.org/foopkg |
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| 02:03.26 | GreenET | abrotman: thank you |
| 02:03.32 | pinkus | does apt-get/apt-cache have a functionality similar to "aptitude search <package> | grep ^i"? In other words, to list ONLY installed packages under the command 'apt-cache search'. |
| 02:03.53 | abrotman | pinkus: apt-cache does not as far as i know |
| 02:04.05 | abrotman | pinkus: dpkg -l | grep |
| 02:04.12 | abrotman | pinkus: dpkg -l | grep "[hi]i" |
| 02:04.19 | pinkus | ty ill give that a try |
| 02:04.21 | abrotman | pinkus: dpkg -l | grep "^[hi]i" |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | i guess it technically more correct |
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| 02:14.54 | Schrodinger`Cat | !cow |
| 02:14.56 | dpkg | cow is, like, a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo, or see <cow theory>, or copy-on-write, or a big animal that says <moo> |
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| 02:18.30 | abrotman | Schrodinger`Cat: enough |
| 02:18.46 | Schrodinger`Cat | sorry |
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| 02:25.08 | KsM | hm |
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| 02:25.41 | KsM | Pressing the button on my CD drive doesn't make it eject, `eject` gives me this: |
| 02:25.42 | KsM | eject: tried to use `/dev/scd0' as device name but it is no block device |
| 02:25.43 | KsM | eject: unable to find or open device for: `cdrom' |
| 02:26.07 | KsM | Apparently /dev/cdrom has been moved to /dev/cdrom3 |
| 02:26.32 | nsadmin | look at the output of mount |
| 02:26.41 | nsadmin | does it appear to be mounted? |
| 02:26.47 | nsadmin | or is the drive empty? |
| 02:26.59 | KsM | well, not anymore, I just ejected it with eject /dev/cdrom3 |
| 02:27.21 | KsM | ls: cannot access /dev/cdrom: No such file or directory |
| 02:27.27 | KsM | Er, wait |
| 02:27.42 | KsM | was /dev/cdrom an actual device or was it a symlink |
| 02:28.12 | KsM | Because if it was originally / supposed to be a symlink now I feel a bit silly and wonder how it got deleted |
| 02:28.29 | nsadmin | for some reason it thinks your cdrom is /dev/cdrom3 |
| 02:29.22 | KsM | (cdrom3|cdrw3|dvd3|dvdrw3) all seem to be linked to sr0 |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | KsM: shuld have been a symlink |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | just like cdrom3 |
| 02:29.57 | KsM | Would this be some effect of my kernel, because I don't recall touching anything that might affect that |
| 02:30.10 | KsM | abrotman: ah, so now I wonder how it got deleted |
| 02:31.35 | KsM | well, now eject works, but the button doesn't |
| 02:33.01 | abrotman | KsM: sounds like udev got upset |
| 02:33.20 | KsM | How do I calm it down? |
| 02:34.02 | KsM | I don't know much about udev; reboot or will switching to init 1 and back work? |
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| 02:34.49 | KsM | Blah, my uptime isn't that important, I'll just reboot |
| 02:35.33 | abrotman | or that |
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| 02:43.46 | chalcedony` | i'm home, the new land card works, how do i correct the ip? |
| 02:44.16 | nsadmin | ok |
| 02:44.19 | abrotman | chalcedony`: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:44.54 | KsM | works now |
| 02:44.59 | chalcedony` | abramart, thank you |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | KsM: well, i guess that was simple enough |
| 02:45.27 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, first, could you compare the ouutput of ifconfig to the output of ifconfig -a |
| 02:45.52 | nsadmin | you'll see paragraphs and labels, you can compare the lists of labels |
| 02:46.09 | abrotman | ... |
| 02:46.11 | KsM | abrotman: eject wasn't working for a while, like a couple reboots before, but I just wansn't sure if linking was the best way to fix that |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | KsM: you could have relinked it .. |
| 02:46.31 | nsadmin | begins logging |
| 02:46.51 | abrotman | begins to think nsadmin is not going to be any help, as usual |
| 02:46.59 | KsM | abrotman: I didn't know that it was linked originally |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | starts his logger, to counter nsadmin's logger! |
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| 02:47.37 | KsM | I thought it was an actual device, and if I put a link where it should be, sometime down the road it might have some more problems |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | KsM: sure .. those links are created upon boot, but I'm unsure if doing a udev upgrade and the subsequent restart of udev would change those links |
| 02:47.50 | KsM | oh |
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| 02:48.47 | abrotman | KsM: sort of late to debug anything .. maybe next time it happens |
| 02:49.11 | KsM | ok |
| 02:49.38 | Hatori | how to setup virtual host on apache |
| 02:49.45 | Hatori | I have a public ip |
| 02:49.46 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, ifconfig has eth1 and lo but somehow i lost pan0, which is present in ifconfig -a. the issue i have is that instead of 192.168.3.3 they both show 192.168.3.19 |
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| 02:50.30 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, that means pan0 is down, ifconfig -a means list all interfaces whether up or down. |
| 02:50.42 | nsadmin | are you saying eth1 appears in both? |
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| 02:51.13 | abrotman | Hatori: which type? httpd.apache.org has docs for both types |
| 02:51.24 | jeep | Hatori: the best thing is to google it so you have samples to look at |
| 02:51.36 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, yes eth1 is in both, it sees the new card |
| 02:51.40 | abrotman | Hatori: note there are IP-based and name-based virtual hosts |
| 02:52.01 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, yes, that means eth1 is "up" |
| 02:52.24 | chalcedony` | yippie |
| 02:52.31 | nsadmin | it's likely you're all set... are things working? |
| 02:52.47 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, yes except for the wrong ip |
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| 02:53.32 | abrotman | chalcedony`: is it using DHCP? static? did you 'man 5 interfaces' yet? |
| 02:53.41 | chalcedony` | that won't bother anything except things that login to my computer |
| 02:53.57 | chalcedony` | you want me to read that? i started |
| 02:54.08 | abrotman | chalcedony`: it's not a very long man page, and a good thing to know anyway |
| 02:54.30 | Hatori | abrotman, is it possible to setup host-based vhost without domain? |
| 02:54.47 | abrotman | Hatori: how would oyu like to address the server then ? |
| 02:55.18 | chalcedony` | i can read it, but i'm not sure about making it make sense |
| 02:55.44 | nsadmin | then let's separate the two |
| 02:55.47 | abrotman | chalcedony`: does the internet work on the system ? can you pastebin your interfaces file ? |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | from /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 02:56.11 | chalcedony` | abraman ok |
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| 02:58.03 | Hatori | abrotman, i'm totally newbie..thats why i ask here.. I'm using debian squeeze for now |
| 02:58.30 | chalcedony` | abrotman, pastebin.com/2equjzX |
| 02:58.55 | chalcedony` | Hatori, you're in the right place, right time. squeeze works fine |
| 02:59.05 | abrotman | chalcedony`: bad pasteid |
| 02:59.17 | chalcedony` | abrotman, pastebin.com/j2equjzX |
| 02:59.17 | Hatori | abrotman, i just a public ip |
| 02:59.51 | chalcedony` | whoops |
| 02:59.52 | chalcedony` | hang on |
| 03:00.09 | abrotman | Hatori: but you don't have any domains pointed at the system yet? |
| 03:00.17 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, change line 13 to the ip you want |
| 03:00.35 | Hatori | hemmm... |
| 03:00.37 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, it is |
| 03:00.40 | abrotman | ... |
| 03:00.44 | nsadmin | ok, ping it |
| 03:00.59 | chalcedony` | and it recognized the problem. but it's still not the right one |
| 03:01.02 | chalcedony` | ok |
| 03:01.04 | Hatori | how we can access my web site from internet |
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| 03:01.09 | Hatori | ? |
| 03:01.18 | Hatori | Just by ip address |
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| 03:01.27 | Hatori | ? |
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| 03:03.31 | abrotman | Hatori: you can, that's possible |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | and you can use subdirectories to get to separate 'sites' |
| 03:03.45 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, 192.168.3.19 could not find host. 192.168.3.3 Request timed out. |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | chalcedony`: is this an internal/home network ? |
| 03:04.08 | chalcedony` | abramart, yes |
| 03:04.19 | chalcedony` | pinging from laptop to desktop |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | chalcedony`: one wired, one wireless ? |
| 03:04.28 | chalcedony` | yes |
| 03:04.36 | abrotman | some home routers do not allow that |
| 03:04.47 | chalcedony` | it worked last week |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | okay, just mentioning it |
| 03:05.08 | chalcedony` | works on 3.5 - my husband |
| 03:05.16 | abrotman | you gave your husband an IP?! |
| 03:05.40 | chalcedony` | shouldn't every man have his own ip? |
| 03:05.40 | LtL | that's cold ;) |
| 03:05.54 | abrotman | v6 for all! |
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| 03:06.03 | jeep | i found home is happier place when i control the router |
| 03:06.05 | chalcedony` | indeed |
| 03:06.10 | aidalgol | This Internet of things fad is getting out of hand. |
| 03:06.19 | chalcedony` | jeep, he tells me what to do |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | chalcedony`: pan0 is your wifi? |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | or was? |
| 03:07.02 | chalcedony` | abrotman, i'm not sure, i don't remember pan0 being there but i never paid much attention to it if eth0 worked |
| 03:07.14 | abrotman | chalcedony`: dmesg | grep pan |
| 03:07.20 | chalcedony` | ok |
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| 03:08.06 | chalcedony` | umm several lines |
| 03:08.12 | abrotman | chalcedony`: anything interesting? |
| 03:08.22 | chalcedony` | let me pastebin |
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| 03:09.34 | chalcedony` | pastebin.com/w9ZMHHje |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | not related :) |
| 03:10.21 | chalcedony` | i wasn't sure. pastebin lets you see what i get |
| 03:10.35 | abrotman | that's okay |
| 03:10.45 | chalcedony` | i miss pastebinit |
| 03:10.52 | abrotman | it still exists |
| 03:11.08 | chalcedony` | last time i tried it wanted a lot of information |
| 03:11.20 | abrotman | chalcedony`: if you just manually configure the IP with ip or ifconfig, does it work the way you want? |
| 03:11.45 | aidalgol | Remember when it was all just plug and play? No? Me neither. That's just a lie marketing tells you. :P |
| 03:11.54 | chalcedony` | hehe |
| 03:12.17 | abrotman | aidalgol: plug and play only works with the power plug :) |
| 03:12.21 | chalcedony` | abrotman, i'm not sure, i can't recall what i did to make it fixed on 3.3 |
| 03:12.33 | abrotman | chalcedony`: the interfaces file normally does it |
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| 03:12.49 | chalcedony` | yes and its not seeing that |
| 03:13.05 | chalcedony` | it sees it, it knows it's wrong, but it didn't fix it |
| 03:13.26 | aidalgol | That reminds me. Here in NZ, the wall outlets have switches next to them, and my cat likes the clicking noise they make, so she would switch off my computer at the wall just to hear it. I've had to tape it in the "on" position (with electrical tape). |
| 03:13.41 | chalcedony` | lol |
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| 03:14.16 | chalcedony` | aidalgol, that would be terrible. tape is a good solution if you can't bypass the switch in the box |
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| 03:15.13 | aidalgol | I don't want to open up the wall if I don't have to. |
| 03:15.51 | jeep | aidalgol: it will on shock a little bit if you touch the wires! |
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| 03:16.04 | aidalgol | jeep: What? |
| 03:16.17 | jeep | aidalgol: *only |
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| 03:16.22 | aidalgol | ah |
| 03:16.30 | aidalgol | very funny ;) |
| 03:16.39 | chalcedony` | heh |
| 03:16.45 | chalcedony` | is it 240 there in nz? |
| 03:16.47 | abrotman | chalcedony`: can you tell which interface is actually working ? |
| 03:16.57 | chalcedony` | neither one seems to be |
| 03:17.02 | chalcedony` | something is |
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| 03:17.05 | aidalgol | chalcedony`: yep |
| 03:17.16 | chalcedony` | i can't ping them |
| 03:17.21 | chalcedony` | how to tell? |
| 03:17.31 | abrotman | chalcedony`: ping isn't a very good test .. try to actually use the internet |
| 03:18.10 | abrotman | chalcedony`: ifconfig -a .. may show a higher TX/RX for the one that is working |
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| 03:20.43 | chalcedony` | it sees pastebin |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | chalcedony`: well, sounds like working internet! |
| 03:21.11 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, are you irc-ing from the machine you're editing interfaces on? |
| 03:21.18 | abrotman | chalcedony`: oh jeez, pan0 is bluetooth |
| 03:21.23 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, no i'm on the laptop |
| 03:21.25 | chalcedony` | ah |
| 03:21.29 | abrotman | i wasn't even thinking about it |
| 03:21.34 | jeep | chalcedony`: download something big and check ifconfig a few times the one with tx rx running up will be the hot one |
| 03:21.52 | nsadmin | yeah, pan0 is down and has been this whole time |
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| 03:22.35 | nsadmin | chalcedony`, and you're not otherwise using the machine other than to test the net right now? |
| 03:22.36 | chalcedony` | hmm |
| 03:22.39 | andreim | hello, does reading a file that is currently being written on affect its being written? |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | chalcedony`: ifdown eth0 ;ifconfig eth0 192.168.3.3 ; ifup eth0 |
| 03:22.42 | chalcedony` | nsadmin, yes |
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| 03:23.02 | abrotman | not even sure you have to take it down/up |
| 03:23.14 | chalcedony` | abrotman, hmm? |
| 03:23.17 | nsadmin | not using. ok, ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 03:23.22 | nana-san | n_n/ |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | chalcedony`: those are commands up there |
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| 03:24.17 | chalcedony` | eth0 no such device |
| 03:24.47 | abrotman | ugh, use eth1, not eth0 |
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| 03:24.51 | abrotman | oh .. jesus |
| 03:24.52 | chalcedony` | ok |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | chalcedony`: hold on |
| 03:24.56 | abrotman | wait a second |
| 03:25.01 | chalcedony` | ok waiting |
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| 03:25.28 | abrotman | chalcedony`: rm /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules && reboot |
| 03:26.05 | abrotman | i thought it was already showing as eth0, my apologies |
| 03:26.48 | chalcedony` | hold on |
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| 03:28.03 | chalcedony` | it's rebooting |
| 03:28.08 | abrotman | so slow!~!! |
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| 03:30.19 | abrotman | chalcedony`: any difference? |
| 03:30.31 | chalcedony` | the brother printer hasn't worked. it keeps giving me notices |
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| 03:30.46 | abrotman | the who ? |
| 03:31.33 | chalcedony` | we have a Brother printer. for some reason it's giving me notices that it's noit working |
| 03:31.48 | abrotman | one problem at a time? |
| 03:31.51 | chalcedony` | surely |
| 03:31.58 | chalcedony` | if it will let me do anything else. |
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| 03:32.29 | nsadmin | did it take this long to reboot last time you did it? |
| 03:33.17 | chalcedony` | it's done rebooting |
| 03:33.23 | chalcedony` | the printer notices were a pain |
| 03:33.30 | abrotman | chalcedony`: and the IP problems? |
| 03:33.35 | chalcedony` | i'm just ignoring thiem nw |
| 03:34.10 | chalcedony` | eth0 :) :) |
| 03:34.13 | chalcedony` | and lo |
| 03:34.16 | abrotman | chalcedony`: all fixed up? |
| 03:34.19 | abrotman | ready to rock? |
| 03:34.28 | chalcedony` | and correct ip!! |
| 03:34.31 | chalcedony` | dances! |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | chalcedony`: enjoy, sorry I got myself stuck in a barrel |
| 03:34.46 | chalcedony` | we did it :) |
| 03:34.51 | chalcedony` | you did good |
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| 03:35.28 | abrotman | chalcedony`: that 70- file has a list of MAC addresses andt he associated eth device. When you add a new NIC, you may have to alter the file or remove it completely |
| 03:35.55 | chalcedony` | i see |
| 03:36.05 | abrotman | wish it were a bit smarter about adding new things, but such is life |
| 03:36.10 | abrotman | good luck! |
| 03:36.23 | chalcedony` | i'm just happy :) |
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| 05:22.27 | jpinx | ok - I give up -- htf do I get diff or meld or similar to show me differences between 2 text files without marking huge chunks as added when, in fact, only one line was added but subsequent lines were shifted down |
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| 05:24.50 | simonlnu | jpinx: you sometimes need to refresh the diff |
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| 05:31.57 | codescience | i have virtualbox running all my servers. curious is anyone else is doing the same? |
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| 05:36.59 | archetech | I use vbox for testing and proxmox for production |
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| 05:37.15 | codescience | never heard of proxmox! |
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| 05:43.01 | koegs | i am using virtualbox on a headless server at home and vmware esxi + kvm at work |
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| 05:52.38 | kudin | hye all.. |
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| 05:52.58 | kudin | i'm newbie using linux debian.. |
| 05:53.28 | kudin | i want to know how to set screen solution.. |
| 05:53.33 | kudin | can u all help me? |
| 05:53.45 | tekbwainz | you have any idea of google |
| 05:54.10 | LtL | kudin: xrandr |
| 05:54.30 | kudin | i'm already using that.. |
| 05:54.40 | kudin | but i don't understand |
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| 05:55.13 | LtL | kudin: won't your desktop set the resolution? |
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| 05:56.14 | LtL | kudin: you may need firmware or proptietary drivers, depends on hardware. |
| 05:56.16 | kudin | after login my screen resolution auto to 1024x768 but my screen solution is 1366x768.. |
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| 05:57.44 | tekbwainz | kudin: because of the card drviers |
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| 05:57.53 | tekbwainz | is it ATI /? |
| 05:58.01 | kudin | no |
| 05:58.27 | kudin | i'm using intel graphic. |
| 05:58.30 | tekbwainz | weird ATI has more driver issus with debian abd debian absed distros |
| 05:58.33 | tekbwainz | aaaaaaaaa |
| 05:58.36 | tekbwainz | integrated |
| 05:59.08 | specing | I feel sorry for ya :D |
| 05:59.17 | specing | sits on his ol' trusty Nvidia |
| 05:59.54 | kudin | it's mean? |
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| 06:01.38 | kudin | what must i'm doing to solve this problem? |
| 06:01.58 | ChrisH | kudin: what DE (Desktop Environemnt) do you use? What does lspci show as VGA Card? |
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| 06:02.41 | kudin | i'm using 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 06:03.26 | LtL | kudin: after you've looked into everything else this may be an answer. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 06:04.19 | LtL | kudin: oh nevermind thought you mentioned you ran ATI |
| 06:04.49 | kudin | it's men my graphic is ATI or what? |
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| 06:05.43 | ChrisH | kudin: I am still missing the answer to the first question. Is this a Laptop? |
| 06:06.00 | kudin | it's notebook. |
| 06:06.34 | ChrisH | 08:01 < ChrisH> kudin: what DE (Desktop Environemnt) do you use? |
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| 06:07.32 | kudin | how to know i'm using DE (Desktop Environment)? |
| 06:08.05 | LtL | kudin: gnome, kde etc |
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| 06:08.15 | ChrisH | The Question is not AM I using but WHICH one are you using... Answer could be gnome, kde. XFCE, ... |
| 06:08.26 | kudin | i'm using lxde |
| 06:08.54 | LtL | kudin: pastebin lspci -nn |
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| 06:09.31 | ChrisH | kudin: did you use xdpyinfo | grep dime to get the pixels you mentioned? |
| 06:10.12 | kudin | i'm not understand.. |
| 06:10.56 | ChrisH | kudin: YOu wrote: "resolution auto to 1024x768 " How did you find it out its 1024x768? |
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| 06:12.27 | kudin | i see it at Display Setting. |
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| 06:14.13 | archetech | kudin check the forum/wiki for a how to install intel video driver |
| 06:14.19 | ChrisH | run xdpyinfo | grep dime just to compare it. I do not know lxde and do not know how to handle it. |
| 06:15.16 | specing | I see #debian just got a little noobish |
| 06:15.25 | specing | kudin: $ xrandr -q |
| 06:15.53 | specing | does it say 13XXxblabla somewhere in there? |
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| 06:15.58 | hellyeah | hey |
| 06:16.04 | hellyeah | couple of problems on debian |
| 06:16.11 | kudin | yes. |
| 06:16.19 | specing | kudin: cool |
| 06:16.25 | kudin | so |
| 06:16.33 | kudin | what must i do? |
| 06:16.40 | hellyeah | first of all i cannot use desktop screen i mean i cannot create desktop i ccannot arrange background image |
| 06:17.10 | specing | kudin: $ xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 133xblabla |
| 06:17.24 | specing | swap VGA with your screen name |
| 06:17.35 | specing | and 133xblabla with the resolution |
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| 06:19.40 | kudin | after i do that, this is what is out. warning: output VGA-0 not found; ignoring |
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| 06:20.25 | specing | kudin: < specing> swap VGA with your screen name |
| 06:20.40 | hellyeah | anyone help me? |
| 06:20.45 | kudin | how to swap VGA?? |
| 06:21.04 | specing | kudin: how is your screen called? |
| 06:21.14 | kudin | lxde |
| 06:21.17 | specing | kudin: DVI? DVI-0? LVDS-0? LVDS? |
| 06:21.27 | specing | its in xrandr |
| 06:21.40 | specing | it says BLABLA connected .... |
| 06:21.51 | specing | $BLABLA is your screen name |
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| 06:23.10 | specing | hellyeah: there is quite a difference between the three things you just said |
| 06:23.31 | LtL | kudin: probably DVI-0 xrandr -q will say |
| 06:23.32 | hellyeah | like? |
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| 06:23.54 | kudin | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1366 x 768, maximum 8192 x 8192 LVDS1 connected 1366x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 309mm x 173mm |
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| 06:24.44 | specing | kudin: 'LVDS1' |
| 06:24.46 | hellyeah | specing: http://oi45.tinypic.com/148qhs.jpg |
| 06:24.52 | specing | it is set to 1366x768 |
| 06:24.57 | hellyeah | i cannot do anything on desktop |
| 06:25.04 | hellyeah | look at screenshot |
| 06:25.23 | kudin | yes. |
| 06:25.39 | specing | hellyeah: you cannot? How did you take the screenshot, then? :D |
| 06:25.44 | kudin | it's already change with manually.. |
| 06:25.47 | hellyeah | with printscr |
| 06:25.57 | hellyeah | printsc |
| 06:26.00 | hellyeah | anyway |
| 06:26.18 | specing | kudin: k |
| 06:26.22 | kudin | the auto screen resolution is 1024x768/. |
| 06:26.23 | hellyeah | when i click right button of mouse on the desktop |
| 06:26.28 | hellyeah | i cannot see any menu |
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| 06:26.51 | hellyeah | like create file create folder or arrange icon by name by date |
| 06:26.53 | hellyeah | etc |
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| 06:32.43 | kudin | who can help me please. |
| 06:33.03 | sonnie | hi, i have a debian machine just upgraded from lenny to squeeze, with xserver-xorg,kde,openbox installed. when i run 'startx' from text prompt, it reports: failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable. but DISPLAY is really set. |
| 06:33.21 | sonnie | DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 06:35.26 | specing | kudin: you can hardcode it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:35.46 | specing | or put the xrandr line somewhere around your ~/.xinitrc |
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| 06:36.51 | kudin | what lines must i put? |
| 06:37.16 | specing | see the relevant manpages |
| 06:38.01 | kudin | where?? |
| 06:38.17 | kudin | in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesnt' have abythung? |
| 06:38.26 | kudin | *anything |
| 06:39.52 | archetech | kudin try running Xorg -xconfigure it will create it |
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| 06:40.58 | archetech | then you can add Mode "1366x768" |
| 06:41.37 | kudin | just put it? |
| 06:42.27 | kudin | i wanna restart to see what is going. |
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| 06:44.58 | hellyeah | specing: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=1515 |
| 06:45.05 | hellyeah | thats the thing i talked about |
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| 06:53.10 | khaleel5000 | jeep: hi, thanks for your help (disk full while trying t update squeeze to wheezy, the mmount thing works well....i made it permanent) |
| 06:53.56 | jeep | khaleel5000, cool glad it worked for you :) |
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| 06:57.07 | hellyeah | seems gnome-tweak-tool solved the problem |
| 06:59.19 | jeep | im pursuing the 5 second boot up |
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| 06:59.44 | bullgard4 | [Debian wheezy] After switch-on a dialog window appears showing "Login: Username:" After having typed my username, a message appears: "F1: select session". When I press F1, I can choose between 8 items: default, .., blackbox, awesome. Is this a Debian feature or a Xfce feature? |
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| 07:00.46 | jeep | bullgard4, thats a gdm feature if your using gdm as your gui login |
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| 07:05.06 | archetech | finally got rid of all the locales during an apt update what a mess that is by default |
| 07:05.17 | archetech | in wheezy |
| 07:05.44 | jeep | archetech, that was gonna be my tomorrow project |
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| 07:42.26 | bullgard4 | jeep: I am not using gdm but SLiM. So is the choice feature between »default«, ..., »blackbox«, and »awesome« aSLiM feature? |
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| 07:43.03 | jeep | bullgard4, gdm,kdm, ect. all allow you to pick the diffrent ones |
| 07:43.56 | jeep | bullgard4, if you install fluxbox for example when you log out you should be able to log back in using it |
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| 07:48.06 | bullgard4 | jeep: Thank you for your help. |
| 07:48.25 | jeep | bullgard4, np |
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| 07:57.51 | archetech | aplay ring.wav gives cannot find card 0 |
| 07:58.14 | archetech | module is loaded snd_cmipci |
| 07:58.35 | archetech | card is there just not configed |
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| 08:00.55 | archetech | user is in audio |
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| 08:09.36 | colo-work | does anyone happen to know if there still is a 32GB memory limit for Debian kernels (as of the squeeze-release) in xen domUs? |
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| 08:13.32 | saedelaere | I want to stop mysql autostart, do I have to remove the symlinks from the /etc/rc* directories or is there another option? |
| 08:14.07 | ChrisH | saedelaere: man update-rc.d |
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| 08:14.56 | saedelaere | ChrisH: ah thanks :) I knew removing symlinks is not a good idea |
| 08:15.19 | saedelaere | btw, is debian also moving to systemd from initscripts? |
| 08:15.58 | ChrisH | saedelaere: update-rc.d does the same, at least on SYSV startup. I do not know about the event-based stuff... only Solaris SMF |
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| 08:17.00 | saedelaere | for my desktop i use archlinux and they switched to systemd recently, crazy stuff. but works nice. |
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| 08:21.24 | jpinx | thanks simonlnu :) got it sorted now |
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| 08:23.46 | pinkus | in the debian expert install (wheezy b2), when configuring the package manager, it lists 1) security updates, and 2) release updates. Security is checked by default but not Release. Why is that? |
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| 08:27.21 | Gromgull | On a amd64 system - multiarch and the ia32-* packages are two solutions to the same problem, right? ia32 packages being phased out? |
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| 08:29.05 | crtxc | pinkus: So you can choose if you want to add "unstable" release yourself? |
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| 08:29.36 | berarma | Gromgull: yes |
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| 08:30.01 | crtxc | pinkus: good question. |
| 08:30.07 | pinkus | crtxc: oh i see. i didn't realize the Release Update option is sid. |
| 08:30.38 | crtxc | I am just guessing. |
| 08:30.52 | crtxc | I never installed sid. |
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| 08:34.20 | eugenmayer | hello. Is there anyway to reset / delete the current install/deinstall list of aptitude. I accidently hit plus on "new packages" … i did not apply those chnages yet, but how to get rid of the install list? restarting aptitude wont help |
| 08:35.21 | crtxc | pinkus: I am guessign that security for wheezy would be wheezy release and you would optionaly add sid repos via source.list later or at install (optionaly if you choose). Not sure. |
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| 08:35.37 | eugenmayer | ah keep-all does it, thaniks |
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| 08:41.14 | nevyn | eugenmayer: hit : on new packages |
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| 08:56.52 | Sevet | crtxc/pinkus: you would not want to mix wheezy and sid repos |
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| 08:57.30 | pinkus | Sevet: is that what the "Release Updates" otion is in the installer? |
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| 08:57.39 | pinkus | option* |
| 08:58.05 | pinkus | for all i know that might still be testing/wheezy updates, and not sid. |
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| 08:58.18 | pinkus | so i'm not sure if i should check that option or not. |
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| 08:59.17 | Sevet | !stable-updates |
| 08:59.18 | dpkg | squeeze-updates is a suite providing updates to some stable packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from squeeze-updates will be included in point releases. This suite replaces the Debian Volatile archive starting from Debian 6.0. http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110215 http://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <squeeze/updates>, ask me about <security>. |
| 08:59.33 | Sevet | i think it'd be that... previously called volatile |
| 08:59.49 | Sevet | but it won't exist yet for wheezy, not until it's properly released |
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| 09:00.42 | Sevet | pick the option if you like, i suspect all that'd happen is it'd look for a repo, not find it and then keep going with the install |
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| 09:00.44 | Sevet | this is the wheezy d-i? |
| 09:00.54 | pinkus | wheezy beta2 installer |
| 09:00.57 | pinkus | the one that just came out. |
| 09:01.41 | pinkus | netinstaller |
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| 09:02.14 | bool | i am trying to decide how much space i should put aside for swap. i use wheezy as a desktop system. some say i dont need swap, some say double of ram (i have 8gb), and some say to use swappiness 100 to keep all unused program away from memory. any ideas? |
| 09:02.25 | Sevet | just looking around and it does indeed look like it's the option to enable the stable-updates repo - until wheezy is launched it'll make no difference (404 errors on apt-get update maybe), after launch it'll have that repo enabled |
| 09:03.04 | Sevet | !swap |
| 09:03.04 | dpkg | Swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM (say, less than 2GB), you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a <swap file> and use that. See also <am i swapping>. http://wiki.debian.org/Swap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Linux |
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| 09:03.53 | Sevet | you can skip a swap entirely if you want, just bear in mind when you hit 8gb there's absolutely no leeway and the OOM killer will start terminating programs to free up space |
| 09:03.54 | crtxc | ty Sevet. |
| 09:04.27 | Sevet | you can add/remove swap at any time using swap files btw without needing to reboot |
| 09:04.30 | zetheroo | I am getting some errors when trying to install Icinga via apt-get in Wheezy |
| 09:04.38 | zetheroo | Errors were encountered while processing: icinga-common, icinga-core, icinga-cgi, icinga |
| 09:04.38 | zetheroo | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 09:05.13 | Sevet | did you apt-get update first, and any errors shown before that? |
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| 09:05.55 | crtxc | Sevet: so "apt-get -t distribution install package" is not recomended? |
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| 09:07.34 | zetheroo | this is the full output: http://paste.debian.net/189659/ |
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| 09:10.04 | pinkus | whew, kvm-qemu is sloooooow. |
| 09:10.20 | bool | Sevet, k, thanks. i currently have 2 gb of swap, but do you think i should have more? |
| 09:10.53 | pinkus | i usually have 2gb myself. |
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| 09:10.59 | pinkus | and i have 8 physic gb |
| 09:11.05 | pinkus | physical* |
| 09:11.46 | pinkus | just monitor your "free -m" while you are doing a heavy load of the things you usually do, and see if you need more. |
| 09:11.58 | bool | k, thanks |
| 09:13.13 | zetheroo | is there a command to reconfigure apache? |
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| 09:15.42 | bool | if i mount /tmp as tmpfs with size=7G, does that mean other processes only have 1G of ram left to use? |
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| 09:19.27 | Trewas | bool: how much RAM (+swap) tmpfs uses depends on how much stuff is in there, 7GB in that case would be the maximum amount |
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| 09:25.43 | JyZyXEL | is there a .screenrc command that loads another .screenrc file? |
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| 09:29.10 | babilen | JyZyXEL: I would try #screen if you don't get an answer here -- Also read "man screen" and in particular the discussion of the "source" command in the CUSTOMIZATION section |
| 09:29.47 | JyZyXEL | i think "source" is the answer |
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| 09:36.02 | Kakadu | hi! Can u recommed an IRC web-client for irc.debian.net? |
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| 09:36.22 | Kakadu | I can't find any workable |
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| 09:37.02 | boudiccas | Kakadu: i use pidgin , works well |
| 09:37.39 | Kakadu | boudiccas: In this LAN some ports are closed, thats why I use freenode _web_ client |
| 09:38.03 | themill | Kakadu: web clients tend to get banned pretty often as they are troll magnets. Your life will always be happier if you use a real client. Have you tried connecting to other ports (e.g. the ssl ports?) |
| 09:38.08 | boudiccas | Kakadu: sorry, i missed the 'web' part of your question |
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| 09:39.43 | ChrisH | Kakadu: pidign can tunnel IRC through a proxy :) |
| 09:40.34 | ectospasm | so can irssi, and my personal favorite, weechat |
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| 09:45.58 | pinkus | irssi can be run directly through an ssh session. no proxy :) |
| 09:48.51 | ChrisH | then I recommend irssi, too :) |
| 09:48.57 | crtxc | :) |
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| 09:50.27 | ectospasm | I can--and do--run weechat in screen, through SSH sessions... |
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| 09:51.14 | mr_blue | hello all |
| 09:52.01 | mr_blue | is that possible to install a .deb package but without running the postinstall script ? |
| 09:52.33 | themill | mr_blue: what are you *really* trying to do? |
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| 09:52.53 | mr_blue | what i say |
| 09:53.02 | mr_blue | not clear ? |
| 09:53.26 | mr_blue | installing a deb package and not running the postinstall script |
| 09:53.48 | themill | mr_blue: "install a .deb" means unpack and configure. Configure means run postinstall. What are you trying to achieve here? Why? |
| 09:53.57 | Kakadu | mr_blue: themill says that what you want is a little bit strange and maybe exists more obvious solutions |
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| 09:55.59 | mr_blue | thanks for your answers. I have local .deb package do install. I use izpack to install the .deb package (i know what you'll say but i have to use izpack) and in the postinstall script there is a gdm restart which of course kill my izpack. |
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| 09:56.58 | boudiccas | mr_blue: why do you have to use a non-standard way of installing a deb? and what is 'lzpack'? |
| 09:57.16 | themill | and why would it be restarting gdm? |
| 09:57.22 | BlitzHere | So, I'm a complete noob, but here's an idea I had. Why can't we have a tag based file system? Instead of storing files in directories, why can't we have a file system in which everything is tagged instead. I've heard of a few such file systems but am wonderih why they never took off - or rather, why the idea is stupid |
| 09:58.17 | themill | BlitzHere: WinFS was supposed to do something a lot like that for windows xp iirc. Never quite worked, never released. Perhaps there's history there. |
| 09:58.19 | mr_blue | ok ok. I do not want to explain everything sorry about that. I just want to know if it is possible to install a .deb and to not run the postinstall script |
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| 09:58.38 | themill | mr_blue: if you have the .deb, then you can change the postinst. |
| 09:59.30 | mr_blue | themill: hmm ok. dpkg -e mypack.deb ; dpkg -x mypack.deb and then reconstructing the .deb ? |
| 09:59.52 | BlitzHere | themill: I was pointed to this link - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3263036/filesystem-that-uses-tags-rather-than-folders |
| 10:00.04 | BlitzHere | I'm still wondering why it can't work |
| 10:01.36 | boudiccas | mr_blue: what is 'mypack.deb' please, and where did you get it from? |
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| 10:01.50 | mr_blue | boudiccas: from my company |
| 10:04.02 | boudiccas | ,v lzpack |
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| 10:04.03 | judd | No package named 'lzpack' was found in i386. |
| 10:04.17 | joules | how does tal:attributes work the style attribute? having trouble figuring it out. |
| 10:04.40 | babilen | boudiccas: izpack is not packaged for Debian, but you can find information about it "on the internet" |
| 10:05.10 | boudiccas | babilen: just checking google now |
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| 10:06.17 | mithrop | hi |
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| 10:07.33 | mithrop | I want to make a web service with my Debian server. Apache is already installed and I know how to do it, I'm just looking for a "best practises" advices. Actually, I don't really where I *should* places my source files. Somebody can tell me ? |
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| 10:10.21 | ChrisH | mithrop: /var/www is debian standard place; given source files mean the stuff you want to server |
| 10:10.41 | mr_blue | boudiccas: http://izpack.org |
| 10:11.48 | mithrop | ChrisH: thanks. I forgot to say that I already have a website in this location then I want to place it anywhere else. Maybe should I move the current content in a subfolder and make this kind of folders : /var/www/currentSite and /var/www/webService ? |
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| 10:12.39 | yetanotheruser | is there possibly a way to include packages not in debian repositories in debian live build? (web front-end would be perfect to give it to others, my live-build scripts here would also be alright) |
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| 10:13.39 | Sevet | zetheroo: looks like the install failed because of /etc/apache2/conf.d/icinga.conf /etc/icinga/resource.cfg being missing - possibly the package doesn't create them but needs to. you could manually create them yourself then install icinga. might be worth checking if the package should be creating them and file a bug report if it doesn't |
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| 10:13.59 | Sevet | (apologies but i got called away for a while) |
| 10:14.24 | zetheroo | Sevet: thanks for getting back to me ;) I ended up performing a purge on the packages in questions and then reinstall .. that seems to have done the trick |
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| 10:14.41 | Sevet | great :) |
| 10:14.50 | ChrisH | mithrop: that depends on you. make /var/www1 /var/www2 or /var/www/www1/ /var/www/www2 Also depends on how you created the filesystems below |
| 10:15.14 | x1__ | http://i46.tinypic.com/35ldeus.png <-- They should be a return arrow, centered dot and a star; any idea why they are not showing up? |
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| 10:15.59 | mithrop | ChrisH: ok. Thank you very much :) |
| 10:16.06 | x1__ | in xterm (tried other terminal emulators also) on squeeze |
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| 10:18.19 | yetanotheruser | okay, slightly rephrase my question... have you ever managed to include truecrypt in a debian live build? (not ubuntu, wheezy, or which release ever it was) |
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| 10:23.30 | ChrisH | Looks like several packages fail to start if their spool directory is a seperate filesystem. Saw this with apt-cacher-ng and squid. |
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| 10:27.57 | ChrisH | dpkg-reconfigure squid fixes it... why does this not happen during installation? Is that expected behaviour? |
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| 10:39.05 | yetanotheruser | (sorry if i just get on peoples nerves with it) - maybe truecrypt portable could be used as a local file to be included in a live build? |
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| 10:39.23 | Sevet | ChrisH: fail to start at boot, or when the system is up? |
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| 10:39.39 | Sevet | (did you try invoke-rc.d $X restart first) |
| 10:40.09 | Sevet | reconfigure might restart them, failing at boot might indicicate they need a $remote-fs start dependancy in the init.d script |
| 10:40.37 | Sevet | * $remotefs |
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| 10:44.02 | Sevet | ChrisH: checking the init.d script it has $remote_fs but no $local_fs |
| 10:44.44 | Sevet | i guess the filesytem you mean is local? try adding $local_fs to the Required-Start Required-Stop entries in the init.d scripts and then running update-rc.d $X defaults |
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| 10:46.00 | Sevet | seems the lintian local_fs can only check for /var being used by the init.d script, not by the daemon it starts |
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| 10:56.07 | ChrisH | Sevet: I did lvcreate $SQUIDFS, vi fstab mkdir $MOUNTPOINT mount $MOUNTPOINT and then apt-get install squid there creating cachedir and starting squid itself failed. $MOUNTPOINT was owned by root. dpkg-reconfigure squid found: Oh, permissons of $MPUNTPOINT are incorrect, should I fix it? and from then all was fine. |
| 10:56.08 | CQ | if I set up a raid5 with 3 1tb disks, can I pull one and just put it aside as a backup and let the array fill the replacement drive? |
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| 10:56.29 | CQ | I'm thinking of doing this for offsite backups every 2-3 months for a home server |
| 10:56.43 | ChrisH | CQ: quick and simple: no |
| 10:57.27 | CQ | ChrisH: why not, raid array drives are not designed to be able to be read individually? or would this work with a raid1 instead? |
| 10:57.28 | ChrisH | CQ: what you think of is a three-way-mirror. Raid1 with 3 mirrors. There you can detach one mirror and use it as backup. |
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| 10:58.35 | ChrisH | CQ: Please check wikipedia on raid5. It spreads (not mirrors) data over all 3 Disks and if you remove one you loose your redundancy. |
| 10:58.40 | ectospasm | yeah, if you use RAID5, parity and data will be striped across all three disks... when you disconnect your "backup" drive, any subsequent deltas will be missing from that "backup", making it useless as a backup |
| 10:59.37 | CQ | yep, obvious from the wikipedia pics... else use three drives raid5 and raid1 that together with a mirror drive? |
| 11:00.16 | CQ | 7join #raid |
| 11:00.29 | ChrisH | CQ thaqt would work in theory. I am not sure if its possible with mdadm, you need to test |
| 11:01.00 | CQ | well, all linux soft raid implementations tout that they are block drives and can thus be combined however you want... |
| 11:01.13 | CQ | s/drives/devices |
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| 11:04.16 | ChrisH | CQ: If you do not need the 2TB (from the 3x1TB in Raid5) I personally would prefer the three-way RAID 1. I cannot give an explanation, |
| 11:04.29 | ChrisH | Its just "a feeling". |
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| 11:05.14 | ectospasm | I have a 5*2TB RAID6 array, because I can lose two drives and still be operational. |
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| 11:07.19 | Sevet | ChrisH: with 3 drives you can recover from only 1 disk failure with raid5, but from 2 disk failures with raid1 - but at the cost of having less usable space |
| 11:08.26 | Sevet | that justifies your feeling ;) since the drives are likely same make/model/age and have roughly the same usage 1 failure could indicate others are imminent so being able to handle another failure gives you longer to put a new drive into the array |
| 11:08.28 | CQ | what I'd really like is this, but it's a bit expensive ... :) http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ |
| 11:09.10 | CQ | or actually the updated version blog.backblaze.com/2011/07/20/petabytes-on-a-budget-v2-0revealing-more-secrets/ |
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| 11:10.01 | Sevet | CQ: 2.8 million amazon vs 117k - that's a pretty nice saving :) |
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| 11:11.28 | CQ | and teh design seems nice and clean... I guess their main IP is the management software etc. for their datacenter |
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| 11:13.36 | love_color_text | hi guys, i am wondering if anyone has had the issue of the graphical Authenticate dialog's "Authenticate" button doing nothing when clicked? I cant manage my libvirt VM's or upgrade packages. i havent tried rebooting yet since users are using the system right now |
| 11:13.47 | love_color_text | and im referring to this dialog http://cl.ly/image/2I1P2v2Y3B3M |
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| 11:16.12 | babilen | love_color_text: Do you have gksu and gksu-polkit installed? |
| 11:16.27 | love_color_text | babilen: not that i know of, how can i check? thanks for the reply btw |
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| 11:17.12 | babilen | love_color_text: Just paste the output of "dpkg -l gksu gksu-polkit policykit-1-gnome" to http://paste.debian.net -- Which desktop environment or window manager do you use and how do you start it? |
| 11:18.10 | love_color_text | oh wow something is strange.... dpkg doesnt seem to exist in my path, nor does apt-get or aptitude .... |
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| 11:18.14 | love_color_text | uh ohz |
| 11:18.22 | love_color_text | using gnome, but looks like i have bigger problems now |
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| 11:18.47 | babilen | love_color_text: What does "echo $PATH" give you? |
| 11:19.06 | love_color_text | gives me /usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/home/hive/bin |
| 11:19.12 | love_color_text | good thing i have echo at least ... hah |
| 11:19.50 | babilen | Hmm, does "/usr/bin/dpkg -l dpkg gksu gksu-polkit policykit-1-gnome" work? |
| 11:19.58 | yetanotheruser | i had a button where authenticate asked for password, but this didn't cause me to be authenticated ... it was a file permission issue - seems to be different. in my case, it could only run the processes it happened with as root from terminal (i see, terrible english, sorry) |
| 11:20.16 | yetanotheruser | (test) |
| 11:20.18 | love_color_text | babilen: nope, dpkg doesnt exist there! |
| 11:20.20 | love_color_text | so strange |
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| 11:20.50 | love_color_text | ive never seen a debian/ubuntu machine lose dpkg or apt-get... maybe someone messed with this machine.... |
| 11:20.56 | love_color_text | but that should be impossible... |
| 11:20.57 | ChrisH | CQ,Sevet This blackhole thing, do they mention what OS they run? Standard FS like ext4 and a forced fsck will get you to know your CEO very well. And then it does not matter is was so cheap. It looks like the disk cannot be replaced online. So comparing simply the the costs is a bit unfair. |
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| 11:21.20 | babilen | love_color_text: Are you sure that you are running Debian? What does "uname -r", "cat /proc/version" and "cat /etc/debian_version" give you? |
| 11:21.49 | love_color_text | babilen: HAHA you're right... i forgot i'm running centos as the hypervisor and the guests are debian *facepalm* |
| 11:21.58 | love_color_text | sorry! |
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| 11:22.35 | babilen | love_color_text: hehe :) -- I would recommend taking this to #centos in that case. I still assume that it is related to a borked gksu/policykit installation, but this is the wrong channel for CentOS. Good luck! |
| 11:22.46 | love_color_text | thanks i really appreciate it |
| 11:23.03 | babilen | love_color_text: You are welcome :) haha! |
| 11:23.10 | love_color_text | sets the desktop background to something obviously indicative of centos ... |
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| 11:25.10 | CQ | chrish in the second article them mention upgrading to debian 5 ... and using ext4. Config is raid6 with lvm |
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| 11:26.20 | CQ | and with lvm and raid6 they should be able to do online replacing, or am I missing something? |
| 11:26.49 | CQ | ChrisH: and its backblaze and not blackhole... I woudn't trust my data to blackhole.com : ) |
| 11:27.21 | bhasker | how to know what is the current version of firmware running ? modinfo does not show it |
| 11:28.05 | boudiccas | dmidecode |
| 11:28.47 | ChrisH | CQ: ext4 is still a FS which needs fsck from time to time. I assisted during a support call (some years ago on HPUX) where an online store wass offline because the HA Cluster did a failover of a part of the database and the big Filesystem got corrupted and needed a fsck. |
| 11:29.16 | bhasker | dmidecode does not show the firmware loaded by ath9k |
| 11:29.43 | bhasker | my wireless card loads the firmware (ath9k) and I am wanting to find the version of the firmware loaded |
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| 11:30.12 | CQ | ChrisH: which FS doesn't need a fsck? can xfs avoid it? Google uses ext4 as well (for datacenters and android) ... |
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| 11:30.45 | WinstonSmith | the "Graphical desktop environment" during install, that is gnome3 right? testing netinst |
| 11:30.57 | ChrisH | CQ: Online replacment: This is more a matter of HW. You need to uncinfigure the disk in SW which is easy. Unconfigure it from kernel (dunno how to do in Linux) and then poweroff the disk for phyiscal replacement... then back with poweron, ask kernel to see the disk, put back into snyc. |
| 11:31.16 | WinstonSmith | bhasker: mine say it in dmesg |
| 11:31.27 | WinstonSmith | not ath9k though |
| 11:31.36 | ChrisH | CQ: ZFS does have no fsck and I assume btrfs ; XFS has fsck |
| 11:31.37 | CQ | chrish unmount, and hot-unplug... I would assume the abckplanes and controllers support hot plugging |
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| 11:49.55 | ChrisH | boudiccas,CQ I was talking about umount /FS and I assume CQ was more about unmounting the Disk physically. |
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| 11:53.38 | bool | why isnt there a reopen last closed tab in iceweasel? |
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| 11:53.57 | donttrustem | I am trying to find a debian package for this http://www.phpclasses.org/package/6115-PHP-Create-ebook-in-EPUB-format-for-ex-Apple-iPad.html |
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| 11:54.21 | bool | i mean.. when rightclicking the tabbar |
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| 11:54.48 | donttrustem | any ideas … I find epub-utils but not sure that is correct |
| 11:54.52 | themill | bool: the session manager extension gives you that |
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| 11:55.44 | babilen | !tell donttrustem -about pear |
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| 11:56.52 | babilen | donttrustem: You might also want to ask in ##php if you require help with the usage of that class. |
| 11:56.53 | donttrustem | babilen: so Ineed to install pear |
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| 11:57.26 | CQ | ChrisH: sorry, I got split out in case you responded in teh last minute or three |
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| 11:57.35 | donttrustem | babilen: it's required by a drupal module |
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| 11:57.55 | donttrustem | I will asked on the channel |
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| 11:59.08 | n3storm | good evening everyone |
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| 11:59.44 | babilen | donttrustem: I don't know -- I assumed that the module is available from the typical PHP repos -- Can't find it in PEAR though and don't want to go deeper into PHP land. ##php might be able to help you to track down that "class" |
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| 12:00.17 | n3storm | I am upgrading today my debian stable and package python-uno has a problem and never finishes |
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| 12:00.28 | n3storm | Preparing to replace python-uno 1:3.4.6-2~bpo60+2 (using .../python-uno_1%3a3.5.4-7~bpo60+1_amd64.deb) ... |
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| 12:01.01 | n3storm | I have killed all dpkg packages and make clean upgrade again and it never finishes upgrading in that package |
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| 12:01.15 | n3storm | I don't need to upgrade now |
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| 12:01.30 | ChrisH | CQ: me was splitted out, too. |
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| 12:01.43 | n3storm | any idea for solving this? |
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| 12:02.21 | boudiccas | n3storm: do you mean 'upgrading' to wheezy? or just 'updating' your stable setup? |
| 12:02.27 | n3storm | sorry: updating |
| 12:02.43 | Kakadu | Hey |
| 12:02.43 | Kakadu | can you a little bit explain politics of debian packages |
| 12:02.43 | Kakadu | after execution debuild package is seccessfully build, but how to clean everything? |
| 12:02.43 | Kakadu | I've tried ./debian/rules clean but some generated files was not cleaned after that |
| 12:02.49 | n3storm | I realize this machine has squeeze-backports active |
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| 12:03.09 | n3storm | if it helps |
| 12:03.12 | CQ | ChrisH: what are you looking for in the dmesg paste? This is what I read in the hotswap documentation, and it works fine for me |
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| 12:03.50 | n3storm | another thing, this is a server, there is no xorg |
| 12:04.05 | n3storm | libreoffice is for generating documents server side from an app |
| 12:04.19 | ChrisH | CQ: I wanted to see the messages from kernel when hot-removing a SATA Disk and hot-inserting it. Just in case you did save it from the last time you did it. |
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| 12:05.03 | CQ | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/189675/ |
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| 12:05.08 | CQ | this is insert, rescan, mount, unmount, power down, pull |
| 12:05.20 | CQ | no messages are generated during pull |
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| 12:29.24 | Doggie52 | Is it a good idea, for a server, to have one user run one application and not one user run several applications? If so, why? I'm trying to learn how to best setup my server. |
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| 12:29.56 | nevyn | Doggie52: one server per application is a model I like. |
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| 12:30.18 | Doggie52 | nevyn: say I one have one server, then -- would you recommend one user per application? |
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| 12:30.27 | nevyn | nah. |
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| 12:31.16 | nevyn | so virtualise all the things |
| 12:31.22 | nevyn | then automate all the things! |
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| 12:33.42 | Doggie52 | nevyn: I'm looking to avoid virtualization actually |
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| 12:34.02 | ylt | nevyn: sounds similar to what I do.. OpenVZ container for each group of servers |
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| 12:34.07 | ylt | and lovely spam :) |
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| 12:34.14 | nevyn | Doggie52: why? |
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| 12:34.40 | nevyn | Doggie52: so this is mostly curiose there are reasons to avoid virtualisation. |
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| 12:34.59 | Doggie52 | Because I'm only going to be running one or two applications and I'm afraid virtualization introduces performance hogs |
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| 12:35.24 | superlinux-hp | hi. what can read and play *.ivr files on Linux? |
| 12:35.27 | Doggie52 | nevyn: I'll be running one LAMP and one gamserver -- that's not enough to begin virtualizing imho |
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| 12:35.43 | superlinux-hp | they are some kind of audio files |
| 12:35.47 | Doggie52 | And to be honest, I've never really understood the point of virtualization, simply because I know too little about it |
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| 12:36.30 | nevyn | Doggie52: so there are a number of security and operational benefits. but. it does have some more moving parts. |
| 12:36.45 | Doggie52 | nevyn: I see |
| 12:37.02 | pippin | nevyn: the more moving parts also provide for interesting ways to subvert the imagined security ;) |
| 12:37.23 | nevyn | pippin: well yes. |
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| 12:37.29 | pippin | like the recent sysret vulnerability |
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| 12:37.38 | nevyn | pippin: I put little stock in the security win |
| 12:37.55 | nevyn | for me it's all about the operational win of divorcing workload from the tin |
| 12:38.08 | nevyn | particularly with live migrate |
| 12:38.12 | pippin | http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/649219 |
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| 12:38.44 | nevyn | because this lets you control your fixed asset register without needing an "application upgrade project" |
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| 12:39.59 | ylt | and is ideal being able to snapshot the vms before making big changes |
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| 12:40.32 | nevyn | that's nice too. |
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| 12:40.53 | nevyn | but we're getting to a point where we can do that with storage systems anyway (lvm/btrfs) |
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| 12:42.17 | pippin | nevyn: https://live.gnome.org/OSTree also tries to solve issues within a similar problem space |
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| 12:43.14 | nevyn | pippin: and reduced complexity due to single function os images |
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| 12:44.10 | Doggie52 | Any opinions about a good iptables frontend? Preferably with a GUI |
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| 12:45.14 | nevyn | I hate them all do it manually? |
| 12:45.16 | neo^ | Doggie52, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 12:45.23 | grylli | nevyn++ |
| 12:45.34 | superlinux-hp | hi. what can read and play *.ivr audio files on Linux? |
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| 12:45.52 | superlinux-hp | and I need to convert it to mp3 |
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| 12:46.20 | nevyn | Doggie52: unless you're making this a router or something as well... |
| 12:46.29 | nevyn | wtf is ivr? |
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| 12:47.24 | crazy0n3 | I second that notion never heard of *.ivr |
| 12:47.29 | Doggie52 | nevyn: I'd prefer to do it via a simple GUI |
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| 12:47.44 | Doggie52 | neo^: thanks! I did not see the last part of that article earlier |
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| 12:48.23 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: what does file somefile.ivr tells you? |
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| 12:49.06 | superlinux-hp | ChrisH, I cannot play it in mplayer nor ffmpeg can convert it for me |
| 12:49.35 | superlinux-hp | my googling tells me that it's a RealPlayer file |
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| 12:49.53 | nevyn | oh... |
| 12:50.02 | ChrisH | superlinux-hp: What does file somefile.ivr say? |
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| 12:50.05 | pippin | superlinux-hp: then get some realplayer or helixplayer adware thingy and see if you can perhaps record the pcm data? |
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| 12:50.36 | superlinux-hp | ok |
| 12:50.39 | superlinux-hp | let me see |
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| 12:51.08 | crazy0n3 | superlinux-hp you can add a ivr codec to VLC that might also help |
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| 12:51.36 | superlinux-hp | crazy0n3, how can I add it? |
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| 12:55.13 | crazy0n3 | superlinux-hp you should just be able to download it and install there are quite a few articles on it of you google :) |
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| 13:06.32 | Doggie52 | Anyone used Firestarter for managing iptables? Do I need to have the program running to have the firewall turned on or do I simply need to set the settings once and then quit it? |
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| 13:07.29 | boudiccas | Doggie52: run once, it generates the iptables rules and then not run it again and iptables functions okay. i prefer ipkungfu |
| 13:07.46 | Doggie52 | OK! Thanks |
| 13:07.59 | boudiccas | Doggie52: you're welcome |
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| 13:16.30 | Hexeon | woohoo "cat /etc/issue |
| 13:16.30 | Hexeon | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l" :D |
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| 13:17.41 | boudiccas | Hexeon: welcome back, what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' show please? |
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| 13:17.59 | Hexeon | 3.1 |
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| 13:18.19 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 13:18.23 | boudiccas | Hexeon: ah, still some way to go then before you get to squeeze |
| 13:18.25 | nsadmin | wow :) |
| 13:18.26 | Hexeon | I went from test/unstable that was mostly woody to stable sarge |
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| 13:18.43 | nsadmin | so you have a couple more to go |
| 13:18.48 | Hexeon | yesterday. for anyone who doesn't know |
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| 13:19.04 | abrotman | Hexeon: might i ask why you don't just reinstall ? |
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| 13:19.21 | abrotman | or is this an exercise in fun? :) |
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| 13:20.40 | nsadmin | and to that point, do you want to upgrade or stay where you are? |
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| 13:21.05 | abrotman | watches freenode flipflop |
| 13:21.29 | Hexeon | cause somebody has stuff on it |
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| 13:22.11 | abrotman | without a separate data partition ? |
| 13:22.21 | nsadmin | this stuff, is it just storage, or is it things that run? |
| 13:22.23 | Hexeon | and I want to see how well it would've upgraded. maybe I will stay on sarge |
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| 13:22.41 | abrotman | Hexeon: is this an external system? |
| 13:22.55 | Hexeon | it runs a website and a CVS repo that both only 1 person accesses |
| 13:23.01 | abrotman | externally? |
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| 13:24.08 | Hexeon | internal |
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| 13:26.53 | nsadmin | with the cvs repo, it's -probably- ok to follow the upgrades of cvs all the way to sqieeze... |
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| 13:27.15 | nsadmin | for the web site, that's probably going to require attention after each upgrade |
| 13:27.53 | Sevet | backing up everything and installing squeeze'd be a hell of a lot quicker/easier |
| 13:27.53 | themill | CVS hasn't changed much in the last 10 (15?) years |
| 13:27.58 | nsadmin | in fact you may wish to take the website thru its paces and test it out |
| 13:28.18 | nsadmin | themill, that's what I suspected; still I wasn't totally sure |
| 13:28.43 | Hexeon | I just checked it, it still works |
| 13:28.49 | Hexeon | I mean the website |
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| 13:28.57 | themill | it'd be worthwhile taking this opportunity to change from CVS to something more umm... well, anything, really. |
| 13:28.58 | nsadmin | Hexeon, great :) |
| 13:29.01 | babilen | Hexeon: Still working on it? Which release have you reached by now? |
| 13:29.24 | nsadmin | babilen, he says debian-3.1 |
| 13:29.43 | Sevet | hexeon: could still be that you find there's a page/feature that uses some obscure feature/module/permissions that gets broken, even if at first glance the web site appears to work |
| 13:30.02 | Sevet | hence 'take the website thru its paces and test it out' |
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| 13:30.36 | Hexeon | I just installed webadmin on it. it's apache module doesn't work with it |
| 13:30.41 | abrotman | Hexeon: is the website PHP-based ? |
| 13:30.43 | Hexeon | webmin 1.59 I think |
| 13:30.56 | Hexeon | I think it's just HTML. not sure. |
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| 13:31.14 | abrotman | if it's static content, doubt you'd have any issues going all the way to squeeze |
| 13:31.19 | nsadmin | webmin is typically demonized around here :) |
| 13:31.21 | abrotman | unless the hardware ran out of support |
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| 13:31.29 | abrotman | it's demonized for good reasons |
| 13:31.39 | Hexeon | I think it's just HTML. it's something called twiki |
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| 13:31.49 | Hexeon | I am not sure if twiki uses PHP. I think it's just HTML |
| 13:31.51 | babilen | Hexeon: Have you spoken to the person in question by now? I *still* strongly recommend to just reinstall Squeeze on that system and configuring CVS (or something better!) and apache. Alternatively: Quarantine it (as in: absolutely not reachable from the internet/any other machine than those that absolutely have to access it) |
| 13:32.27 | Hexeon | I told the person the server will be shutdown at some point and told him to make backup of both the CVS repo and the Twiki website |
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| 13:32.56 | Hexeon | and he did. but told me to keep it up for as long as I can. so now I have a box I can do anything I want with |
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| 13:33.31 | nsadmin | for example git can read your cvs with all its history to produce git repos |
| 13:33.40 | Hexeon | so I am doing all the "Debian stuff" on it without actually breaking it. if I ever break it, it will be taken out of the server room. |
| 13:33.59 | Sevet | twiki wouldn't be static content |
| 13:34.00 | Doggie52 | Any tips on some kind of GUI front-end for configuration of Apache? |
| 13:34.10 | Sevet | Doggie52: vim ;) |
| 13:34.20 | Doggie52 | haha |
| 13:34.21 | Sevet | or gvim ;) ;) |
| 13:34.28 | nsadmin | cat, head, tail, echo |
| 13:34.38 | nsadmin | the RealMans editor |
| 13:34.44 | Hexeon | for some reason webmin's apache module says apache isn't on the machine. I guess I have to configure that module manually |
| 13:34.51 | Doggie52 | I have configured it before, I'm just thinking there is a better way to do it, would love to have a GUI that can guide me through some advanced configuration |
| 13:35.10 | babilen | nsadmin: Hexeon probably doesn't want to force OTHER_PERSON who is most likely set in his/her ways to change anything about their work style. (I used twm back in 1989 and why should I change?!) |
| 13:35.24 | nsadmin | babilen, agreedc |
| 13:35.25 | ribe | I'm running Debian Testing 64 bits how can I gat Gnome to preview raw images? |
| 13:35.32 | Hexeon | what's twm? |
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| 13:35.45 | Sevet | !webmin |
| 13:35.45 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 13:35.47 | nsadmin | old old windo manager |
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| 13:36.28 | abrotman | ribe: it likely depends on which raw format |
| 13:36.49 | Hexeon | I didn't know the bot expressed personal opinions |
| 13:36.56 | ribe | abramart, nikon's raw format? |
| 13:36.58 | abrotman | it doesn't, it expresses what we tell it |
| 13:37.11 | Sevet | hexeon: most important for you is: 'Removed from Debian post-Sarge' |
| 13:37.23 | ribe | abramart, I can see them in my other Stable install |
| 13:37.30 | abrotman | ribe: abro<tab> |
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| 13:37.43 | abrotman | ribe: compare package lists .. |
| 13:37.50 | babilen | Hexeon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twm -- old very old wm. It was just an example. CVS is considered to be too horrible to use and I would consider it so obsolete that its rotten corpse would have disintegrated by now if it weren't for the fact that CVS users burned it in rage many decades ago. |
| 13:37.50 | nsadmin | Hexeon, as babilen says, talk to the guy before moving to git... but, you can tell him how to have git pull the cvs |
| 13:38.07 | abrotman | if it's one person using the VCS, git or CVS won't really matter much |
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| 13:38.29 | abrotman | almost fainted during that netsplit |
| 13:38.31 | babilen | Well, at least its not RCS :) |
| 13:38.31 | Hexeon | I like webmin. cause I still haven't figured out how to configure half of the servers I am running on linux. but it seems that webmin doesn't always configure them correctly and can break manual configurations that worked |
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| 13:39.07 | abrotman | Hexeon: and you won't learn while you have a crutch |
| 13:39.11 | nsadmin | Hexeon, the "how to configure" piece is something you could usefully learn |
| 13:39.47 | Sevet | that's the problem with pretty much any gui config tool - they lack flexibility so can only configure something they way the gui designer had in mind, and get very confused if the config was written by something else that doesn't fit into its own brackets |
| 13:40.18 | Sevet | there's also the security of root access through your browser, but since this is an internal machine that's perhaps not such an issue here |
| 13:40.25 | nsadmin | is still waiting for a gui representation of bash |
| 13:40.39 | Hexeon | it seems to work for configurations that itself has setup. but I have trouble setting up, say, a samba file server even with a fresh install of webmin |
| 13:40.44 | Hexeon | and OS |
| 13:41.17 | Sevet | in case you missed it though, <Sevet> hexeon: most important for you is: 'Removed from Debian post-Sarge' <-- you're going to have a problem in your upgrade path if you want to keep using it |
| 13:41.31 | Hexeon | I've used it successfully to setup apache before. CVS setup sort of works, but still doesn't work all the way |
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| 13:41.46 | Hexeon | what's Debian post-Sarge? |
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| 13:42.03 | boudiccas | debian after darge |
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| 13:42.04 | nsadmin | !codenames |
| 13:42.04 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames |
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| 13:42.17 | boudiccas | sarge |
| 13:42.26 | themill | Hexeon: all releases after Sarge -- that is the ones you're upgrading to |
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| 13:42.28 | nsadmin | Hexeon, that's a list of all the releases |
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| 13:42.43 | Sevet | ie you're on 3.1 now so you'll lose webmin the next time you upgrade |
| 13:42.46 | Hexeon | my sources.list is pointed to sarge main and update |
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| 13:43.05 | nsadmin | themill, that is, if he decides to upgrade... at this point he's in a holding pattern |
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| 13:43.29 | abrotman | !tell nsadmin about bottell |
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| 13:44.41 | Hexeon | I kind like where it is now. everything works and it finally has a version # instead of unstable/testing |
| 13:45.44 | Devastator | two questions: how can i disable a service from running without uninstall? how can i reload sysctl.conf without rebooting? |
| 13:45.51 | Sevet | hexeon: in that case if it's running ok, internal so security bugs aren't such an issue and getting retired in the near future when the stuff's moved off it it may be easier to keep it at that version |
| 13:46.13 | Sevet | !tell devastator about update-rc.d |
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| 13:46.55 | Sevet | to reload sysctl.conf, invoke-rc.d procps restart |
| 13:47.07 | Hexeon | yeah. and I always liked sarge from the movie |
| 13:47.31 | nsadmin | well then, decision made! |
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| 13:49.04 | nsadmin | you'll never have to do anything like apt-get dist-upgrade on that machine ever again |
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| 13:49.32 | themill | never be hassled about installing security updates ... |
| 13:49.34 | Hexeon | it's actually the only debian machine we have. everything else is centos/fedora. no debian or ubuntu |
| 13:50.26 | bool | grub loads very slow. it uses about half a minute before it shows the menu. something i can do? |
| 13:50.43 | Devastator | thanks Sevet |
| 13:52.08 | Hexeon | I might upgrade to etch though. just to see if it will work. or if it will break anything |
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| 13:53.11 | babilen | Hexeon: Make sure that the machine is not connected to anything. If it has to be accessed by OTHER_PERSON make sure that only (s)he can access it. In particular make sure that it is not reachable from the internet or other (potentially malicious) co-worker. |
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| 13:54.12 | Hexeon | I am upgrading to etch |
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| 13:55.02 | bool | upgrade? etch? isn |
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| 13:55.24 | bool | isnt stable two releases later? |
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| 13:55.29 | Hexeon | yeah, bool. I like the latest and the greatest.well, relatively speaking |
| 13:55.44 | boudiccas | bool: come on, keep up please. its all been explained in the back log |
| 13:55.49 | bool | isnt etch debian 4.0 and stable 6.0 ? |
| 13:56.05 | bool | i just started reading :p |
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| 13:56.43 | bool | and i cant scroll that far up |
| 13:57.27 | bool | i am running wheezy |
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| 14:00.58 | Hexeon | okay I am rebooting it. then I am gonna upgrade |
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| 14:01.24 | Hexeon | This should go a lot faster than yesterday |
| 14:01.50 | Iridos | judd, kernels |
| 14:01.51 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 14:04.28 | nsadmin | Hexeon, you'd lose webmin (which might be a good thing in that this would pretty much force you to learn how to do manually what you were doing before with webmin) |
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| 14:05.07 | nsadmin | maybe you could hold off and get your friend to try things out |
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| 14:06.10 | nsadmin | another idea you could consider, is copying the whole machine to a spare empty inactive box, to serve as a staging server |
| 14:06.35 | jelly-home | or virtualize it |
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| 14:06.47 | jelly-home | make snapshots or copies as you go |
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| 14:08.48 | Argafal | hi folks. I am trying to build xephem for Debian 64 bit. I run into trouble with "/usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `../../libXm/linux86//libXm.a(DragUnder.o)' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output" |
| 14:09.44 | jelly-home | Argafal: your build process is confused and tries to use a 32bit library |
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| 14:10.44 | Argafal | jelly-home: what I did is: I downloaded the source code tar.gz. I untared it, and according to the INSTALL file I changed to a subdirectory and executed "make MOTIF=../../libXm/linux86/" |
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| 14:10.53 | Argafal | Not sure what I could have done differently. |
| 14:11.08 | jelly-home | Argafal: "linux86" implies 32bit |
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| 14:11.36 | jelly-home | Argafal: is there no x86-64 build for that static motif lib? |
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| 14:12.13 | jelly-home | Argafal: you could try installing the distro libmotif-dev and link against that |
| 14:12.21 | jelly-home | (and build against that as well) |
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| 14:13.06 | Argafal | jelly-home: I am not quite sure how I would start doing that? |
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| 14:14.51 | jelly-home | Argafal: libXm is the Motif widget library. It used to be non-free, so people made multiple compatible free implementations instead. Some of them are packaged in Debian, Open Motif is one of them, and libmotif-dev is the package used for building stuff with it |
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| 14:15.41 | jelly-home | Argafal: you'd install it, and try to run make without specifying where MOTIF= was at all |
| 14:16.00 | Argafal | I see, ok, let me try thyat. |
| 14:16.22 | Argafal | jelly-home: and thanks for elaborating. |
| 14:16.44 | jelly-home | Argafal: if that failed, you'd look at package contents and documentation of libmotif-dev, and figure out the right value to link against open motif instead of the static library your app brought |
| 14:17.32 | jelly-home | ,v libmotif-dev |
| 14:17.33 | judd | Package: libmotif-dev on i386 -- lenny/non-free: 2.2.3-4; sid/non-free: 2.3.3-5; squeeze/non-free: 2.3.3-5; wheezy/non-free: 2.3.3-5 |
| 14:18.41 | jelly-home | oh, it seems I was wrong wrf Open Motif, it's the "real" Motif, open sourced when everyone moved off to better widgets and the owners realized it made to sense to keep it closed |
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| 14:19.35 | jargon- | am i doing it wrong or is there no dovecot page on wiki.debian.org? |
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| 14:20.32 | Argafal | mh, now i am running into /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a No such file or directory |
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| 14:21.07 | Argafal | but I think I can fix that myself |
| 14:21.12 | jelly-home | Argafal: where is libXm.a that libmotif-dev brought? |
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| 14:22.07 | Argafal | jelly-home: /usr/lib. Just changed the Makefile to point there. |
| 14:22.15 | jelly-home | good |
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| 14:22.41 | jelly-home | MOTIF=/usr might have worked |
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| 14:22.55 | Argafal | and of course in the end it fails "undefined reference to `XftTextExtentsUtf8'" and plenty of others when linking |
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| 14:23.57 | jelly-home | Argafal: apt-cache search xft dev |
| 14:24.03 | jelly-home | or perhaps libxft dev |
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| 14:24.44 | Argafal | "i A libxft-dev - FreeType-based font drawing library for X (development files)" |
| 14:26.38 | jelly-home | you already have it? |
| 14:27.04 | jelly-home | then fix the Makefile to actually link against it |
| 14:27.23 | jelly-home | repeat until stuff builds |
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| 14:28.48 | Kobaz | how would i restore the default alsa config... i had pulseaudio installed but it just stopped working and i want to make everything use alsa again |
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| 14:48.23 | WinstonSmith | when running "service networking restart" the warning comes about "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because...". but what should one use instead? |
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| 14:52.13 | SiDz | ifdown ; ifup |
| 14:52.15 | tremon | WinstonSmith: iirc the suggested method is to use ifdown/ifup and provide an explicit interface name |
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| 14:52.50 | WinstonSmith | ok. SiDz, tremon: thank you! |
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| 14:53.25 | themill | WinstonSmith: you should perform the action that you actually want to occur rather than hoping that "restart networking" means the same thing to you as to anyone else. |
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| 14:54.08 | WinstonSmith | themill: true. |
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| 14:55.09 | jelly-home | ifdown eth0<enter> oops wanted eth1 CRAP |
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| 14:57.55 | Guest32885 | Hi |
| 14:58.03 | Guest32885 | okay, this has always bugged me and some how I haven't found out how to do this. When using mail (command line email client) how does one list the messages that you see when you first go into the program? |
| 14:58.53 | ChrisH | Guest32885: replace mail with mutt or pine... the mail and mailx is real hardcore. |
| 14:59.25 | nsadmin | Guest32885, yeah, mail was probalby the first ever email client |
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| 14:59.31 | Guest32885 | ChrisH: Well I'm sure there better but I'm just asking how to do this. For the most part I don't use it much to begin with. |
| 15:00.22 | Guest32885 | argh stupid lag... didn't take my identify fast enough... now how to can I switch my nick back and identify mmm |
| 15:00.33 | nsadmin | mail (with no params) lists the mail |
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| 15:01.32 | ChrisH | Guest32885: /nick realNick then /msg nicksrv identify realnick PW |
| 15:01.53 | nsadmin | well it lists the new mail |
| 15:01.59 | ChrisH | s/nicksrv/nickserv |
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| 15:02.18 | Guest32885 | ChrisH: doesn't work. I get "TheWarden Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable" |
| 15:02.53 | Guest32885 | nsadmin: right but how do I see that list again once I'm in the program using it and to see mail that is on the next page. |
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| 15:03.23 | ChrisH | with over 15 years experience in UNIXish system does not use mail/mailx |
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| 15:03.59 | Devastator | i'm a little confused, is there a glassfish server or do i need to install it manually? |
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| 15:04.19 | nsadmin | I thought it was list, and mail does list "list" as a command, but when you type it it acts like list is not one of the commands (throws list of commands again) |
| 15:04.25 | TheWarden | ahh finally it worked. |
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| 15:04.55 | TheWarden | nsadmin: that lists commands to type |
| 15:05.12 | nsadmin | oh, duh :) |
| 15:05.20 | nsadmin | clumsy me :) |
| 15:05.38 | ChrisH | Devastator: I assume you need to install Glassfish manually... License issue and glassfish-* are only parts non working |
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| 15:06.18 | TheWarden | ahhh sorry I guess this program considers that screen "headers". Which to me is not a mail header at all bust a list of what is in the mail box anyways I got that now, thanks. |
| 15:06.33 | Devastator | ChrisH damn :( |
| 15:07.16 | TheWarden | ChrisH: I agree I don't really use mail either but in certain cases one has too. For instance in this case I have some issues being sent to mail so therefore I need to read'em after that I don't care as it will not be checked anymore. |
| 15:07.31 | Odd_Bloke | Hello all. I've broken my postgresql configuration, and would like to replace /etc/postgresql/9.1/main/postgresql.conf with the version from the package. How can I go about doing this? |
| 15:07.45 | ChrisH | Devastator: at least I did need to install it manually last time as the packages did not work |
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| 15:08.58 | nsadmin | Odd_Bloke, hmm. you could dig for it... you could also try adding a cluster (that postgresql.conf is for cluster "9.1/main" |
| 15:09.32 | ChrisH | TheWarden: Honnestly, if there is a plain mail fiel I prefer view MAILFILE over mail! |
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| 15:10.10 | nsadmin | new clusters will have additional postmaster backends which are communicated with on separate ports |
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| 15:12.53 | themill | Odd_Bloke: if you delete (or move out of the way) the entire /etc/postgresql/9.1 directory, I *think* dpkg-reconfigure postgresql-9.1 will regenerate it for you. |
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| 15:14.23 | Devastator | ,versions postgresql |
| 15:14.24 | judd | Package: postgresql on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.9-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.13-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1+124~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: |
| 15:14.25 | judd | 9.1+130~bpo60+2; sid: 9.1+134; wheezy: 9.1+134; experimental: 9.1+135 |
| 15:14.28 | jtrucks | debian based supercomputer experiment: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/university-builds-cheap-supercomputer-with-raspberry-pi-and-legos/ |
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| 15:15.25 | Odd_Bloke | themill: Just tried; nope. :( |
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| 15:17.14 | themill | Odd_Bloke: hmm... I was looking at the squeeze maintainer scripts and punted it would be the same. they basically just run "/usr/bin/pg_createcluster -u postgres 9.1 main" |
| 15:18.21 | DammitJim | what is the partition software you can use on a terminal? |
| 15:18.29 | DammitJim | I know Gparted has a GUI |
| 15:18.38 | DammitJim | but does gparted also work on a terminal? |
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| 15:19.16 | jordanm | DammitJim: "parted" is the CLI application |
| 15:19.20 | Odd_Bloke | themill: Aha, creating a new cluster with a different name and then comparing is looking like it'll work. |
| 15:19.21 | Hexeon | more complicated than I thought it would be. but it's doing aptitude dist-upgrade now |
| 15:19.21 | DammitJim | ah, thanks |
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| 15:20.36 | DammitJim | jordanm, is parted the one that gives you options and stuff on the terminal window? or you have to just run commands to run it? I want to delete a partition and add the space to an existing one |
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| 15:22.27 | jordanm | DammitJim: you can use it interactively or in batch mode. check out the docs |
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| 15:23.14 | DammitJim | reading them, thanks! |
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| 15:24.09 | Kevin` | on my computer, if gdm3 fails to start x once, it goes into what looks like a fast loop of trying to restart x without ever giving up, which blocks any input to the computer except sysrq |
| 15:24.32 | Kevin` | also makes a super mess of the log files apparently |
| 15:24.44 | Fl3x1bl3 | Anyone know why I cannot get a motd to stick? I have tried tracking every application that could change it, but it still does it. This is Debian 6 |
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| 15:25.43 | bool | what about putting /var/cache and /var/lock to tmpfs? |
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| 15:26.40 | themill | bool: /var/lock is /run/lock and already on tmpfs from wheezy onwards. I wouldn't want to lose /var/cache all the time... that would be annoying |
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| 15:27.20 | bool | themill, loose all the time? wouldnt tmpfs keep the data as long as the machine is running? |
| 15:27.47 | themill | bool: sure. And there stuff in there that, while not essential to the system, doesn't really want to be lost on every reboot |
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| 15:28.47 | bool | hmm.. so debian doesnt follow the fsh standard ? |
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| 15:28.54 | themill | bool: sure it does |
| 15:29.07 | tremon | bool: some applications don't cope well with losing their particular subdirectory under /var/cache |
| 15:29.09 | bool | it states the data should be safely deleted |
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| 15:29.24 | tremon | note /data/, not /directory structure/ |
| 15:29.35 | bool | ahh |
| 15:29.47 | themill | bool: also note "can" vs "should" |
| 15:29.50 | Hexeon | it's saying something about changing device from hotplug to udev or something like that in the release notes. so maybe it will make my machine not bootable. not sure |
| 15:30.05 | bool | themill, yeah.. i reacted to that aswell after pressing enter :p |
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| 15:30.09 | Hexeon | I haven't rebooted it yet |
| 15:30.23 | themill | bool: you *can* delete apt-file's data from there.... you'll just need to regenerated it before you can use apt-file again. (also apt-xapian-index, pbuilder chroots, ...) |
| 15:31.13 | tremon | bool: in general, using tmpfs for world-writable (or only root-writable) locations is fine, but it's not easy to use tmpfs on something that has a different permission/owner/group structure |
| 15:31.22 | bool | what about /home/<user/.cache then? is that safe to put on tmpfs? or not because of the same reasons? |
| 15:32.20 | tremon | it's theoretically possible, but you'd have to provide the hooks to mount it for every user yourself |
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| 15:32.29 | bool | fstab |
| 15:32.35 | DammitJim | does parted know automatically the start/end even if I provide them in GBs? |
| 15:32.49 | themill | pam-mount could do it for you too |
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| 15:32.54 | DammitJim | when using print, it says: Start 52.4GB End 113GB |
| 15:32.55 | tremon | fstab is fine if you only have a few users, and they don't change |
| 15:33.03 | bool | tremon, and i am the only user of this computer anyway |
| 15:33.14 | DammitJim | if I resize a partition, it will know not to override over the existing ones, right? |
| 15:33.15 | tremon | ah, then it's possible :) |
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| 15:33.52 | bool | why use pam-mount instead of fstab? |
| 15:34.00 | DammitJim | dammit! no jfs filesystem support |
| 15:34.00 | DammitJim | aaahhhhhh |
| 15:34.19 | tremon | DammitJim: parted should default to using all available space, don't know about overlap. Would be very weird if it would allow you to create overlapping partitions though |
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| 15:35.16 | DammitJim | oh, to resize a jfs partition, I have to do something like mount -o remount,resize? |
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| 15:35.47 | bool | DammitJim, parted is designed to give warnings if you try to do anything you shouldn't |
| 15:36.08 | DammitJim | bool, it sure did! I can't resize my jfs partitions with parted apparently |
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| 15:36.39 | bool | DammitJim, you unmounted it first, right? |
| 15:36.46 | DammitJim | I have freed up space before and after the existing partition and I want it to use it |
| 15:36.48 | DammitJim | yes |
| 15:36.58 | DammitJim | (it complained when I tried to run it and it was mounted) |
| 15:37.38 | bool | apparently jfs can not be shrunk |
| 15:37.42 | bool | by design i think |
| 15:38.02 | DammitJim | yeah, but I'm looking to expand it and use the freed up space that I got from deleting adjacent partitions |
| 15:38.44 | bool | DammitJim, there is something about growing here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=61990 |
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| 15:39.18 | DammitJim | yeah, I read that ... arch has a lot of good info |
| 15:39.30 | DammitJim | mount point is /media/usb4 |
| 15:39.39 | DammitJim | not /dev/sdf4 right? |
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| 15:44.23 | bool | right |
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| 15:46.32 | tremon | does anyone have experience setting up oss4 in wheezy? I have installed oss4-dkms, and the correct module (oss-hdaudio) is loaded according to lsmod, but there's no /dev/mixer |
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| 15:46.56 | tremon | what do I need to get that device? create it manually? |
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| 15:47.46 | flami | Hi, Im trying out apache2 with mod fcgid on debian testing . and sicne todays update even though it seems only php changed, it doesnt parse php files anymore. suexec.og doesnt even say that it wanted to start anything and I cant find anything in error log ... any idea where else to look? works fine with nginx and php-fpm though |
| 15:49.59 | bool | tremon, what did you mean by "something that has a different permission/owner/group structure" ? |
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| 15:51.55 | tremon | bool: do a ls -l /var/cache, for example. If you put /var/cache on tmpfs, you are responsible for recreating those top-level directories with permissions as they are now |
| 15:52.35 | bool | ahh |
| 15:52.37 | bool | i see |
| 15:52.40 | tremon | (I mean recreating on every boot) |
| 15:52.59 | bool | tremon, so programs wouln |
| 15:53.11 | bool | t do that automatically when booting? |
| 15:53.50 | tremon | some might, but most don't because those directories are created at package-install time, not at runtime |
| 15:53.51 | themill | bool: some do, some don't. apt has been known to get unhappy about /var/cache/apt/archives/lock going missing, for instance. |
| 15:54.23 | bool | ok, i see. looks like a design flaw |
| 15:54.25 | tremon | moreover, some programs (cups, mailserver, bind) do not even run as root so they cannot create their own directory |
| 15:54.38 | xispirito | tremon: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52919 |
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| 15:55.28 | tremon | xispirito: thanks. looks like i'll need to try a reboot |
| 15:55.38 | themill | bool: that specific bug in apt is fixed. But you'd still need to re-run "apt-file update; apt-cache gencaches" after every boot to have all the cached data reinitialised. Hardly a win. |
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| 15:56.11 | xispirito | tremon: a reboot is required, yeah |
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| 15:56.22 | bool | ahh.. i see. i'll just leave it on my disk then |
| 15:56.24 | Kobaz | so my sound randomly stopped working (in linux), onboard speakers and headphone jack work fine in windows, but only my headphone jack works now in linux |
| 15:56.44 | colo-work | how can I set a host's timezone via debconf non-interactively? I tried this: |
| 15:56.45 | colo-work | echo "set tzdata/Areas Europe" | debconf-communicate |
| 15:56.45 | colo-work | echo "set tzdata/Zones/Europe Vienna" | debconf-communicate |
| 15:56.49 | Kobaz | not sure what happened... i thought pulseaudio got messed up so I uninstalled that and i'm back on alsa/oss |
| 15:56.52 | colo-work | doesn't work as intended though |
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| 15:57.59 | tremon | xispirito: thanks! problem solved |
| 15:58.15 | xispirito | tremon: great o/ |
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| 15:58.57 | xispirito | i insist, OSS have to be default sound system =D |
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| 16:00.42 | berarma | xispirito: it can be, on your computer |
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| 16:02.12 | jacklk | Hello, is it okay to run KDE applications such as Kontact on other window managers/desktop enviroments? |
| 16:02.27 | xispirito | berarma: yeah, it is ... but is good at point to be the number one |
| 16:02.32 | themill | jacklk: sure |
| 16:02.45 | boudiccas | jackiby all means, i regularly run gnome programmes on XFCE |
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| 16:03.07 | jacklk | okay |
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| 16:05.24 | nsadmin | jacklk, if you have kde libs, should be fine |
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| 16:07.13 | nsadmin | was looking for a sound card, found something called splab m-350, any support in debian squeexe nonbackport kernel for this card? |
| 16:08.41 | tremon | nsadmin: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main ? |
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| 16:09.25 | xispirito | i never heard about splab ... |
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| 16:11.00 | xispirito | nsadmin: wich chipset it use? |
| 16:11.11 | nsadmin | xispirito, meetoo, I wonder if I misspelled it after the sales guy said it |
| 16:11.28 | boudiccas | nsadmin: what does dmidecode say for it? |
| 16:11.51 | nsadmin | xispirito I asked him that... he knew the model number |
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| 16:12.14 | z0d | Hello |
| 16:12.14 | nsadmin | boudiccas didn't buy the card yet, trying to do something smart and check first |
| 16:12.41 | boudiccas | nsadmin: ah right, i thought you'd found it in your 'bits' box |
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| 16:13.04 | z0d | a package got installed non-interactively, so it didn't ask questions about the package. how should I answer those questions without completely reinstalling the package? |
| 16:13.18 | tremon | nsadmin: http://spl.info ? |
| 16:13.29 | themill | z0d: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
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| 16:13.43 | z0d | themill: tried that, didn't work. asked nothing |
| 16:13.59 | z0d | it was mysql-server btw |
| 16:14.22 | themill | z0d: sure you're configuring the right package? |
| 16:14.30 | z0d | om, good idea |
| 16:14.45 | themill | dpkg: tell z0d about mysql initial password |
| 16:14.52 | themill | (taking a stab in the dark...) |
| 16:14.59 | xispirito | nsadmin: these strange things in general don't produce driver for open system =( |
| 16:15.06 | nsadmin | boudiccas, looked for bitbox earlier... |
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| 16:15.59 | z0d | thanks themill |
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| 16:16.41 | nsadmin | xispirito, so that's a place in SF that would take me 10 mins to get to,,, otoh, fry;s is like 30 mins south and they have... |
| 16:16.42 | bool | after some time of using iceweasel (a day), pages starts to load really slow... the "waiting icon" shows for maybe 10 minutes.. and then after some while, it seems fine again. what is happening? |
| 16:17.09 | bool | after some time |
| 16:17.20 | TheWarden | can I safely remove notification-daemon? Its my understand this is what provides notifications at the top right, I can't have it interrupt what is playing on the system. |
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| 16:18.27 | xispirito | bool: have pages with flash videos open forgotten in one of the tabs? |
| 16:18.35 | boudiccas | TheWarden: i'm assuming you're on wheezy, and mine seems to have chanced in the last couple of days, and its just a fleeting glimpse and the notification ss gone, its no problem now |
| 16:19.00 | superstraw | bool, I've had issues with iceweasel so I switched to firefox, I tried for a while to fix iceweasel but just gave up on it, sorry. |
| 16:19.13 | bool | xispirito, no, none at the moment |
| 16:19.25 | nsadmin | ... another card we're considering (one at fry's) is a C-MEDIA CMI8738-6C |
| 16:19.27 | TheWarden | boudiccas: I'm using Squeeze. Yet I know but those glimpse can interrupt a full screen video playing. so I'll remove it. |
| 16:19.28 | bool | superstraw, what version of iceweasel? |
| 16:19.32 | boudiccas | i'm now using opera in place ofFF which just ate my memeory |
| 16:19.47 | superstraw | whichever squeeze offers, the default one. been so long I haven't even looked back. |
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| 16:20.03 | xispirito | here it happens ... flash videos forgotten tabs put the plugin-container to fit 90% of cpu |
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| 16:20.42 | superstraw | xispirito: yikes, what do you do about that? |
| 16:20.43 | bool | superstraw, yeah. i had troubles with squeeze (unstable) aswell. i am running wheezy now, and iceweasel seems better, but i havent tried it for that long |
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| 16:21.03 | xispirito | superstraw: close the tab |
| 16:21.15 | bool | haha |
| 16:21.19 | xispirito | =D |
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| 16:21.47 | bool | having a little laugh |
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| 16:23.29 | nsadmin | looks like that one is supported :) |
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| 16:25.48 | meadhikari | just installed vim 7.3 and its installed in /usr/local/bin/ but by default when i type vim it points to vim7.2 how do i change that, thanks in advance |
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| 16:26.55 | bool | meadhikari, uninstall vim7.2 and include /usr/local/bin/ in your path |
| 16:27.03 | nsadmin | how can I tell if this module: snd-cmipci is available (1) in my kernel and/or (2) in squeeze kernel or (3) in squeeze backport kernel (3.something) |
| 16:27.07 | tremon | meadhikari: put /usr/local/bin in front of /usr/bin in $PATH ? |
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| 16:30.10 | jeep | nsadmin: do the kernels the config.gz enabled /proc/config.gz would show for running kernel |
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| 16:30.25 | jeep | *have |
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| 16:31.07 | phorce1 | meadhikari: investigate /etc/alternatives/ (I know not the correct commands for changing where they point properly) |
| 16:31.08 | tremon | ,kconfig cmipci |
| 16:31.09 | judd | Searching for 'cmipci' in squeeze kernel config gives SND_CMIPCI=m. |
| 16:31.25 | tremon | nsadmin: ^^ |
| 16:31.29 | meadhikari | bool, tremon phorcel thanks guys i got it working |
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| 16:31.48 | specing | judd: /boot/config* ? |
| 16:32.35 | nsadmin | tremon, perfect :) thank you |
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| 16:33.09 | Devastator | what's the command to check if a package can be backported? checkbackports? |
| 16:33.15 | Devastator | in judd |
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| 16:34.05 | tremon | Devastator: check-backport |
| 16:34.39 | phorce1 | mead .... crap, he left quick. 'man update-alternatives' specifically mentions systems with multiple versions of vi |
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| 16:35.32 | Devastator | tremon thanks! |
| 16:35.49 | Devastator | judd check-backport openjdk-6-jdk |
| 16:36.08 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-6-jdk in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, gcj-4.7-jdk [alpha amd64 armel armhf hppa i386 ia64 lpia powerpc powerpcspe ppc64 m68k mips mipsel sh4 sparc sparc64 s390 s390x], fonts-ipafont-mincho. |
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| 16:36.42 | Devastator | yep.. i guess i'm in trouble |
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| 16:37.23 | Mysterytrain | ack |
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| 16:41.29 | Hexeon | OMG I broke it. It's broken. Won't boot up anymore |
| 16:41.33 | Devastator | suggestions on what to do? i'm trying to install glassfish which seems to need at least openjdk-6-jdk 6b19 |
| 16:44.07 | jacklk | Hełłø, wħenever I ŧry anð run a game øn Ðebiæn I geŧ bæd læg. |
| 16:44.10 | Brigo | Devastator: in stable? |
| 16:44.18 | Devastator | Brigo yes |
| 16:44.35 | Brigo | Devastator: a chroot? :-) |
| 16:44.36 | jacklk | I hæve æn ATI Rædeøn cærd. |
| 16:44.47 | themill | also seem to have a broken keyboard |
| 16:44.55 | jacklk | I insŧælleð æll the drivers. |
| 16:45.11 | Brigo | or missconfigured :-) |
| 16:45.33 | Devastator | Brigo no |
| 16:45.42 | jeep | jacklk: the messed up keyboard would annoy me more than lag |
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| 16:46.36 | Brigo | Devastator: install del libraries without apt? |
| 16:46.41 | Brigo | Devastator: compile it? |
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| 16:46.52 | Brigo | Devastator: it is a big proble, i know ... |
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| 16:48.22 | Hexeon | >_< dunno what to do now |
| 16:48.35 | Devastator | Brigo i've downloaded glassfish 3.1.2.2 zip, it's running but i cannot see glassfish admin login page, it's blank |
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| 16:49.19 | neonai | hi all |
| 16:49.37 | jeep | Hexeon: a livecd can be used to fix anything |
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| 16:50.34 | Hexeon | maybe I should burn an etch liveCD |
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| 16:50.47 | Hexeon | except I am out of CD-R. all I've got are DVD-R |
| 16:51.02 | t7 | is there an easy way to donate to debian? |
| 16:51.19 | tremon | !donate |
| 16:51.19 | dpkg | If you like Debian and are able to donate hardware, services or money, please do so. See http://www.debian.org/donations and http://www.spi-inc.org/donations |
| 16:51.42 | t7 | what about bitcoin? |
| 16:51.58 | jelly-home | convert it to actual monies forst |
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| 16:53.21 | Hexeon | what's bitcoin? |
| 16:53.46 | Hexeon | jelly-home: I broke it, it doesn't boot up now. kernel panic. |
| 16:54.06 | jelly-home | Hexeon: yay! |
| 16:54.17 | t7 | Hexeon: http://www.weusecoins.com/ |
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| 16:54.45 | Hexeon | jelly-home: something about devfs is no longer supported by the new kernel, and it has to be udev or won't mount. Anyway it doesn't boot up now. |
| 16:54.53 | tremon | Hexeon: this was an old install, right? do you still have a root=/dev/hdXN argument in grub? |
| 16:55.08 | Hexeon | I think it uses lilo |
| 16:55.32 | jelly-home | Hexeon: you don't need udev, just use the static /dev you already have |
| 16:56.26 | tremon | same difference... newer kernels don't use /dev/hdX anymore, try simply changing to /dev/sdX instead |
| 16:57.38 | Hexeon | I dunno. it doesn't up. I can't do anything to it |
| 16:57.43 | Hexeon | *boot up |
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| 16:59.04 | Hexeon | oh this bitcoin thing looks interesting. can I grocery shop with it though |
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| 16:59.24 | t7 | Hexeon: i doubt it :( not enough shops |
| 16:59.50 | Hexeon | I wonder what I should do with the server now. Maybe I can try a liveCD and see what I can grab off the hard drive |
| 17:00.22 | Hexeon | then install a clean copy of whatever distro I have |
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| 17:01.55 | Hexeon | distrowatch will give me some ideas on what's good to install |
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| 17:02.21 | Hexeon | it always has distros on the news page that I've never heard of |
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| 17:02.49 | intgr | Hi! If I don't care about compatibility with older distro versions, should I access /run directly or still through /var/run? |
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| 17:03.38 | tremon | intgr: compatibility with other, or older distro's? fafaik not all have switched to /run |
| 17:04.10 | intgr | Well either, actually. |
| 17:04.17 | intgr | neither* |
| 17:04.19 | Hexeon | wow Mint is Ireland. I always thought it was Canada for some reason |
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| 17:05.30 | najitari | any idea how one would install a system using a locale that isn't UTF-8? Something like ja_JP.EUC-JP ? |
| 17:05.33 | tremon | intgr: I wouldn't hard-depend on /run right now, at least have a fallback for using /var/run if /run doesn't exist |
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| 17:05.47 | intgr | Ok, fair enough. |
| 17:05.48 | intgr | Thanks |
| 17:06.04 | zinx | intgr: generally paths like that are configurable at compile time |
| 17:06.17 | blubberdiblub | intgr, you're supposed to access it through /var/run, since that's in the FHS |
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| 17:06.58 | intgr | Right |
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| 17:10.16 | daedeloth | I have a bit of a problem |
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| 17:10.32 | daedeloth | I've added bitcoin to my home server, which is at home |
| 17:10.41 | daedeloth | and I've added a startup script for it in init.d |
| 17:10.44 | daedeloth | and I've rebooted |
| 17:10.51 | daedeloth | and now my ssl connection doesn't come online anymore |
| 17:11.40 | daedeloth | am I pooped now? |
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| 17:12.26 | najitari | daedeloth: are you using a proxy for a firewall by any chance? |
| 17:12.40 | daedeloth | nope |
| 17:12.49 | daedeloth | I think the server just doesn't come online again |
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| 17:13.20 | najitari | dang, that's about all I had for network anomolies. I don't know anything about bitcoin unfortunately. Are there logs? |
| 17:13.34 | daedeloth | nono, I don't care about bitcoins |
| 17:13.40 | daedeloth | I care about the fact that sshd doesn't come online anymore :p |
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| 17:13.58 | daedeloth | and that with 2000+ km's between me and the server, there is no way I can fix it from here :p |
| 17:14.03 | najitari | oh.. there should definitely be an error in /var/log somewhere then |
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| 17:14.03 | tremon | daedeloth: what was your uptime? any chance the system is performing an fsck? |
| 17:14.06 | najitari | oh ouch |
| 17:14.24 | daedeloth | tremon it's possible, but it's been going on for a while already |
| 17:14.41 | jelly-home | daedeloth: and your server does not have out-of-band console/remote management access? |
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| 17:14.45 | specing | daedeloth: call onsite and have somebody fix it |
| 17:14.50 | tremon | well, nothing you can do if you don't have console access |
| 17:15.05 | tremon | enjoy your impromptu holiday ;) |
| 17:15.07 | daedeloth | the "onsite" is my mother |
| 17:15.20 | specing | so call your cat/dog instead? |
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| 17:15.57 | daedeloth | grmbl |
| 17:16.00 | najitari | I dunno. some moms can follow pretty good instructions so long as you have patience. And they only charge small talk for their kids. |
| 17:16.09 | specing | Anyway, that should teach you to never mess with the system when you are not around it |
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| 17:16.48 | Devastator | ok, i have to either downgrade openjdk-6-jre / jdk to 1.6.0_16 or 19, 18 has a bug that affects glassfish, does anyone have a suggestion besides going with oracle's binary? |
| 17:17.04 | daedeloth | I succesfully resized a partition, created 2 other partitions, moved /usr and /var to seperate partitions and now I'm going to get stuck at installing a stupid debian package :p |
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| 17:17.17 | infernix | something keeps cleaning out my /tmp at every reboot, but /etc/default/rcS has TMPTIME set to 60 days. tried -1 too. grep -r TMPTIME /etc/ yields nothing |
| 17:17.21 | infernix | did this behaviour change in sid? |
| 17:17.36 | tremon | infernix: /tmp on tmpfs? |
| 17:17.38 | infernix | tmp is not a tmpfs filesystem |
| 17:17.44 | tremon | ok :) |
| 17:17.51 | infernix | is puzzled |
| 17:18.05 | infernix | nothing in cron.d/daily/anything. in fact, grep -r rm.*tmp /etc/* yields nothing either |
| 17:18.31 | infernix | i mean what else could be doing it |
| 17:18.38 | infernix | if not for systemd or some initscript |
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| 17:19.40 | najitari | wasn't /tmp always volatile, while /var/tmp is persistent? |
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| 17:20.04 | infernix | no, it's configurable. see /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:20.10 | tremon | according to the fhs, yes, but there still has to be some tool/script to enforce that |
| 17:20.11 | infernix | but that variable isn't called anywhere |
| 17:20.37 | infernix | so i just don't get it. maybe this behaviour isn't configurable with systemd, but that'd be very odd |
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| 17:21.06 | tremon | infernix: try booting with sysvinit, that one is fairly easy to test |
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| 17:21.29 | najitari | TMPTIME is 0 by default, which would clear it every boot. -1 would prevent clearing |
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| 17:21.48 | infernix | I had it on 60. set it to -1 too, doesn't help |
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| 17:22.03 | infernix | unless 60 is in minutes, which makes no sense; description says days |
| 17:22.16 | najitari | the value is indeed in minutes |
| 17:22.23 | najitari | the word infinite can also be used |
| 17:22.45 | specing | lol systemd |
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| 17:22.46 | infernix | minutes? |
| 17:22.50 | infernix | facepalms |
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| 17:23.25 | infernix | # delete files in /tmp during boot older than x days. |
| 17:23.39 | najitari | oh |
| 17:23.40 | infernix | what script is using this TMPTIME var? |
| 17:23.47 | infernix | can't even figure that |
| 17:23.50 | najitari | I must have been thinking of something else |
| 17:24.00 | najitari | grabs his hat and pipe |
| 17:24.03 | najitari | investigation time |
| 17:24.16 | infernix | ah. a clue: ./systemd-44/debian/systemd.postinst:# Do a one-time migration of the TMPTIME setting |
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| 17:24.48 | infernix | systemd uses /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf |
| 17:24.59 | infernix | which does not exist here |
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| 17:26.17 | infernix | aha. /etc/tmpfiles.d/tmp.conf |
| 17:26.30 | infernix | mystery solved |
| 17:26.45 | najitari | so share |
| 17:26.52 | najitari | s/so/do/ |
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| 17:27.00 | DammitJim | man, this is the weirdest thing |
| 17:27.25 | infernix | najitari: man tmpfiles.d |
| 17:27.33 | DammitJim | I created a partition with ext4 filesystem |
| 17:27.38 | infernix | only applies to systemd |
| 17:27.41 | infernix | i thnk |
| 17:27.53 | DammitJim | and after creating it, if I check it with e2fsck, it says that the Superblock is invalid |
| 17:27.59 | najitari | ah, i don't have it on this system. I'll find it online somewhere. good to know, though |
| 17:28.03 | DammitJim | Bad magic number in super-block |
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| 17:28.13 | jacklk | Hello, will Debian server run on 128MB RAM? |
| 17:28.21 | DammitJim | do I need to wait a certain amount of time for the partition creation to work? |
| 17:28.54 | rozie | jacklk: yes |
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| 17:29.32 | rozie | don't expect much, but it's possible to run server on 128 MB |
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| 17:33.34 | Devastator | well.. java non-free it is then.. |
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| 17:37.30 | somiaj | ,versions openjdk-6-jre |
| 17:37.31 | judd | Package: openjdk-6-jre on i386 -- lenny: 6b18-1.8.10-0~lenny2; lenny-security: 6b18-1.8.10-0~lenny2; squeeze: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2; sid: 6b24-1.11.4-3; wheezy: 6b24-1.11.4-3 |
| 17:38.10 | somiaj | ,checkbackport openjdk-6 |
| 17:38.17 | judd | Backporting package openjdk-6 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: g++-4.7, gcj-4.7-jdk [alpha amd64 armel armhf hppa i386 ia64 lpia powerpc powerpcspe ppc64 m68k mips mipsel sh4 sparc sparc64 s390 s390x], fonts-ipafont-mincho. |
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| 17:39.10 | somiaj | Devastator: seems making a backport won't be an easy process so upgrading to wheezy version by backporting it will require you backport g++ as well |
| 17:39.10 | Devastator | somiaj do you think those deps can be worked around? |
| 17:39.20 | somiaj | ,checkbackport g++-4.7 |
| 17:39.21 | judd | Backporting package g++-4.7 in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: binutils (>= 2.21.1) | binutils-multiarch (>= 2.21.1), libmpfr-dev (>= 3.0.0-9~), libgmp-dev (>= 2:5.0.1~);Build-Depends-Indep: doxygen (>= 1.7.2). |
| 17:39.27 | Devastator | argh.. |
| 17:39.28 | somiaj | Devastator: not easily |
| 17:39.47 | Devastator | so.. non-free seems like my only option, correct? |
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| 17:40.12 | somiaj | and since orcale won't let us ship java anymore, I wouldn't trust the sun java pacakges in squeeze and use java-package |
| 17:40.15 | somiaj | ,i java-package |
| 17:40.16 | judd | No package named 'java-package' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 17:40.27 | somiaj | ,checkbackport java-package |
| 17:40.29 | judd | Backporting package java-package in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 17:40.50 | Devastator | somiaj i just don't want to make debian helpers mad or lose support, i try to do things right :) |
| 17:40.53 | somiaj | it will be easy to backport though, so you can use that to make a debian package you can then install/remove with dpkg from the orcale java.bin |
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| 17:41.31 | Devastator | '/msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:41.32 | Devastator | opss |
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| 17:41.38 | somiaj | Devastator: really java is selfcontained in a single directory, just copy it to /usr/local and link the binaries to /usr/local/bin (and/or setup JAVA_HOME) and you can install it with out going though java-package |
| 17:42.01 | somiaj | you could just use the sun-java6 package from squeeze |
| 17:42.09 | somiaj | ,i sun-java-6 |
| 17:42.11 | judd | No package named 'sun-java-6' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 17:42.29 | Devastator | ,i sun-java6 |
| 17:42.30 | judd | No package named 'sun-java6' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 17:42.36 | Devastator | hum |
| 17:42.49 | blubberdiblub | ,i sun-java6-jre |
| 17:42.50 | judd | Package sun-java6-jre (non-free/java, optional) in squeeze/i386: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). Version: 6.26-0squeeze1; Size: 6360.3k; Installed: 14316k; Homepage: http://jdk-distros.java.net/ |
| 17:43.14 | Devastator | thanks |
| 17:43.17 | blubberdiblub | as well as the corresponding -bin |
| 17:43.27 | somiaj | not sure how secure it is, if orcale is allowing us to distrubite any security patches, or it is just kinda left as in in squeeze. |
| 17:43.52 | somiaj | but it works fine, only issue I would worry about that package is secuirty issues (espcailly since sun java recentally had a big security update) |
| 17:43.54 | Devastator | somiaj so aptitude install sun-java6-jre and -jdk then do i need to update-alternatives or something? |
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| 17:44.24 | blubberdiblub | somiaj, i think that recent security related bug only affected java 7, not java 6 |
| 17:44.33 | somiaj | Devastator: after you install it, type 'java -v' or 'java -version' and if you don't see the sun java, then yes you need to update-alternatives |
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| 17:46.20 | somiaj | blubberdiblub: well that is good, but my point still stands as I'm unsure if we are allowed to do any security fixes on that package in squeeze. |
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| 17:47.05 | somiaj | Devastator: I would also consider filling out a bug report for openJDK, if it is a bug that can be backported/patched against that version of jdk, debian may consider doing just that. |
| 17:47.11 | blubberdiblub | somiaj, yes, you're right. it's probably better to migrate to openjdk, if possible |
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| 17:51.21 | Devastator | somiaj well, is openjdk based on sun java? |
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| 17:51.47 | somiaj | since sun java is closd source, no -- not sure what it is based on, I do know they try to make it compadable |
| 17:52.30 | somiaj | hmm, guess oracle has openjdk too |
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| 17:52.35 | somiaj | http://openjdk.java.net/faq/ |
| 17:52.37 | intgr | Devastator: It is based on what Sun open-sourced as OpenJDK years ago. |
| 17:52.55 | intgr | It was missing some bits and pieces that were rewritten from scratch |
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| 17:53.18 | Devastator | somiaj this is what i've found when searching for a solution: http://bugs.sun.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6909759 |
| 17:54.23 | Devastator | i can file a bugreport, sure, i love to contribute, i just don't know what to say exactly and also don't know if my english is good enough for it |
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| 17:57.14 | somiaj | I'd just say squeeze openjdk incompadable with glassfish v3, and then link that bugreport. I'd probabaly file the priority as low as it only seems to effect a single program. I'm unsure what they will do with such a bug, but the matainer will at least look at the issue and decide what is proper. |
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| 17:58.30 | DammitJim | man, the weirdest thing just happened.... and I hate myself for closing the window |
| 17:58.50 | DammitJim | but I was just doing a copy of files to an external hard drive and my machine just borked |
| 17:59.13 | DammitJim | I can't access it via ssh anymore :( and all services seem to be dead |
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| 17:59.39 | DammitJim | is there any reason why copying files would cause the system to become unstable? |
| 17:59.41 | Devastator | somiaj do you know what's the update-alternatives command to change from openjdk to oracle java? |
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| 18:00.36 | somiaj | man update-alternatives |
| 18:00.49 | somiaj | (I think it is -c java, -c is configure which should give you ask you which one) |
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| 18:01.33 | DammitJim | ugh, I should have taken a screenshot |
| 18:02.30 | Devastator | founded: update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun |
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| 18:06.00 | Hexeon | I talked to the user. I am gonna give him a debian on a virtual machine to use. what version of debian should I install. hmmm |
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| 18:07.18 | boudiccas | Hexeon: squeeze, its the most 'stable' version |
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| 18:07.42 | Hexeon | okay, I will try that |
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| 18:08.51 | lenzoid | Hi, is there a way to just install ruby 1.9 on my debian squeeze? I see there are packages for 1.8 and 1.9 but they are not in the update-alternative system :S |
| 18:08.59 | Hexeon | I kind like debian now, more than fedora and centos. cause the upgrade seems more fluid. it's not like there's a major revision and there's no way to upgrade |
| 18:09.08 | lenzoid | my ruby applications fail because of 1.8 |
| 18:09.27 | Hexeon | like there's no way to upgrade centos from 5 to 6 without reinstalling it completely |
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| 18:10.29 | somiaj | ,versions ruby |
| 18:10.30 | judd | Package: ruby on i386 -- lenny: 4.2; squeeze: 4.5; sid: 4.9; wheezy: 4.9 |
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| 18:11.10 | somiaj | lenzoid: what package are you using, looks like the version is 4.5 vs 4.9 |
| 18:12.07 | noetic | Is anybody familiar with Evan's Debugger ? |
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| 18:12.24 | noetic | I've trouble running it on debian (6.0.5 squeeze) |
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| 18:14.55 | somiaj | ahh I see lenzoid |
| 18:15.05 | somiaj | ,versions ruby1.9.1 |
| 18:15.06 | judd | Package: ruby1.9.1 on i386 -- lenny-backports: 1.9.2.0-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.9.2.0-2; sid: 1.9.3.194-1; wheezy: 1.9.3.194-1 |
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| 18:15.38 | somiaj | lenzoid: there is a package for ruby 1.9 in squeeze. |
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| 18:17.03 | somiaj | lenzoid: which you have installed. You may have to just manually run ruby1.9.1 to use that binary. (note if you man update-alternatives you can configure and set up your own alternatives) |
| 18:17.51 | snickerz777 | hello, i have a problem with my debian system, if i want to start it normally, it says, that there are missing binaries for the radeon card. |
| 18:18.24 | lenzoid | somiaj: I just noticed, there's rvm - the ruby version manager which adresses this very problem. I'll give it a shot, if it's not too complicated |
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| 18:19.19 | snickerz777 | i can start it in save mode, burt there is no internet connection. |
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| 18:20.49 | noetic | Try setting it up through terminal. |
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| 18:21.54 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 18:22.27 | snickerz777 | how can i solve it? i am a linux- newbie. has anyone a link, that could help? |
| 18:22.28 | johnfg | How can I tell if my port 1194 is open? I just moved this server and am trying to get things back the way they should be. |
| 18:23.09 | noetic | johnfg: Run an nmap scan |
| 18:23.16 | somiaj | johnfg: netstat -a |
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| 18:24.07 | somiaj | though I guess netstat --inet would be better |
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| 18:25.04 | johnfg | k, thanks |
| 18:25.07 | somiaj | johnfg: also what do you mean by port 1194 open -- by default debian dosen't have a firewall, but you configure the services to run. netstat tells you all services that are runing and what ports are being used/listened on. It won't tell you weither or not your firewall lets connenctions to that port. |
| 18:25.19 | boudiccas | snickerz777: what graphic card have you got? |
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| 18:25.43 | boudiccas | snickerz777: or is it your nic card? |
| 18:26.46 | johnfg | somiaj, I use this machine as an openvpn server and it needs port 1194. That's open on the firewall on the machine, but I'm not sure I have the router configured correctly. |
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| 18:27.41 | somiaj | yea that is more likely the issue is a router/firewall. Debian will only have a firewall if you put one on it. |
| 18:27.50 | snickerz777 | boudiccas: an old radeon 300 i think |
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| 18:28.12 | boudiccas | snickerz777: and your network card? |
| 18:28.54 | johnfg | I use arno. |
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| 18:29.43 | snickerz777 | boudiccass: i dont know. its a very old pc. yesterday it al has worked well :( |
| 18:29.50 | JoeHazzers | anyone here know how to remove the amazingly verbose "require passphrase for disk .........." from plymouth, and just display the password box? |
| 18:30.32 | boudiccas | snickerz777: who? |
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| 18:31.13 | nick_h | when a process is in an uninterruptible sleep, how can i determine what the process is waiting on? |
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| 18:31.22 | boudiccas | snickerz777: run 'sudo dmidecode' which will tell you what your network card is |
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| 18:33.05 | snickerz777 | boudiccas: the debian system worked well yesterday. i have compiled a new wine version and autocleaned the packages, and now i have no internet. |
| 18:33.30 | snickerz777 | maybe i deleted something wrong |
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| 18:34.15 | mchristy | I'm trying to upgrade a package, but aptitude tells me it's already at the requested version (7.3+5) but I can see the repository has a newer version (7.3+6) |
| 18:34.23 | mchristy | is there a way to make it do the upgrade? |
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| 18:35.06 | tremon | mchristy: try aptitude install package=7.3+6 |
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| 18:35.39 | tremon | at the very least it will explain why it is not upgrading the package |
| 18:35.56 | boudiccas | snickerz777: as i said earlier, run 'sudo dmidecode' and it will tell you what the network card is |
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| 18:36.56 | tremon | nick_h: usually, you need to install debugging symbols and attach gdb to the process |
| 18:37.05 | mchristy | tremon: that worked perfectly. I've got 14 packages that I am trying to script an upgrade for. I was hoping that I didn't have to lookup each version, but this works great! |
| 18:37.13 | mchristy | Thank you Thank you Thank you! |
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| 18:37.55 | tremon | mchristy: there is also the package/suite notation |
| 18:38.04 | jordanm | mchristy: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 18:38.06 | nick_h | tremon: hm, that's a pain. thanks, i'll look into it |
| 18:40.27 | snickerz777 | boudiccas: i have a via vt6105/vt6106s ethernet controller |
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| 18:42.58 | mchristy | jordanm: thanks, that's much easier than looking through Releases file, or digging through directories on the server |
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| 18:54.52 | Hexeon | what's the difference between the CD version and the DVD version? |
| 18:55.47 | SiDz | cd is netinstall i think? |
| 18:56.20 | mchristy | I believe that is correct. The DVD has the packages, the CD is just the base, and pulls everything else from the Internet |
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| 18:58.17 | tremon | then what's the difference between cd1 and the netinstall cd? ;) |
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| 18:59.59 | tremon | Hexeon: the cd and dvd of what? squeeze installer? |
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| 19:03.21 | jhutchin1_wk | The CD has a live sysetm and enough packages for a basic GUI install. |
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| 19:04.53 | twobitsp1ite | what do you all recommend for a bind9 web gui? (inb4 gnupanel or anything but webmin :P) |
| 19:05.01 | jhutchin1_wk | The DVD has a more complete set of packages. |
| 19:05.16 | specing | twobitsp1ite: vim |
| 19:05.21 | SiDz | nano |
| 19:05.36 | jhutchin1_wk | The netinstall is meant to be run from a server. |
| 19:05.49 | jhutchin1_wk | Has enough to get online and download the installer. |
| 19:06.03 | specing | nano is the default crap that everyone who can type 'apt-get remove', uninstalls |
| 19:06.18 | jhutchin1_wk | twobitsp1ite: I recommend vi, but you can /msg dpkg free whcp |
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| 19:06.56 | peterrooney | specing: speak for yourself. |
| 19:07.02 | peterrooney | dpkg: start an editor war |
| 19:07.02 | dpkg | xemacs users are really backwards. |
| 19:07.11 | specing | SO TRUE! |
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| 19:07.41 | twobitsp1ite | jhutchin1_wk: that's what I'm doing now, but a) I have other people also managing these domains, and b) I have dynamic zones, so doing the rndc freeze/flush/thaw thing is a bit of a pain |
| 19:08.40 | twobitsp1ite | and I've read the free whcp factoid... was wandering what people *recommended* ... |
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| 19:09.02 | specing | hugs dpkg |
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| 19:10.20 | twobitsp1ite | also, dpkg seems to be fairly biased against emacs... :P |
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| 19:11.23 | specing | Yep, guess why vi comes by default. |
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| 19:11.58 | Hexeon | yeah, squeeze installer |
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| 19:14.05 | Hexeon | I am downloading DVD-1, it's gonna take 4 hours and 25 minutes |
| 19:14.28 | themill | any reason to download gigabytes of packages you're not going to use? |
| 19:14.41 | Hexeon | I dunno. I thought DVD is better than CD |
| 19:15.01 | Hexeon | I dunno what package it has that CD doesn't |
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| 19:15.17 | specing | downloaded an entire amd64 mirror just for fun |
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| 19:15.31 | mchristy | netinstall cd requires Internet connectivity, but can get everything you want without the stuff you don't want |
| 19:15.45 | jelly-home | Hexeon: if your machine has wired ethernet and access to internet, just get the 200MB-ish netinst image. |
| 19:16.10 | Hexeon | okay. I am gonna cancel the download |
| 19:16.12 | specing | Or netboot it |
| 19:16.13 | Hexeon | it's only 7% finished |
| 19:16.52 | Hexeon | well I wanna download the CD version so I can burn it to a CD later and use it for other computers |
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| 19:17.39 | Hexeon | is CD-1 a live CD? |
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| 19:17.57 | themill | no. the live cd is a live cd |
| 19:19.01 | specing | http://www.netboot.me/gettingstarted :D |
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| 19:20.08 | mchristy | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html |
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| 19:20.58 | specing | there is also boot.kernel.org |
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| 19:21.50 | twobitsp1ite | wait a minute... gnupanel isn't even in the debian repos... |
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| 19:25.27 | ManoftheSea | Hello Debian. |
| 19:25.49 | ManoftheSea | I'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/RunDirectory |
| 19:26.08 | ManoftheSea | It appears to say /tmp will be a symlink to /run/tmp |
| 19:26.23 | ManoftheSea | And packages will be modified to mount /run/tmp as a tmpfs during boot. |
| 19:26.41 | ManoftheSea | However: I tried to set that up myself... It did not work. |
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| 19:33.00 | jhutchin1_wk | Wow, /dev -> /run |
| 19:33.10 | ManoftheSea | what? no. |
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| 19:33.30 | jhutchin1_wk | Oh, /dev/.* |
| 19:33.33 | ManoftheSea | jhutchin1_wk: it's /dev/.*, as in all the dotfiles |
| 19:33.49 | jhutchin1_wk | cleans his glasses. |
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| 19:34.25 | ManoftheSea | So, if anyone can give me advice on how to make my system up-to-date with this: |
| 19:34.32 | ManoftheSea | I tried to install a debootstrap. |
| 19:34.51 | bool | when i use apt-get install to install a package it often installs multiple packages it depends on, but if i uninstall the package, it only removes that package. how do i remove all the packages it depended on, but are no longer needed? |
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| 19:35.08 | ManoftheSea | bool: usually, "apt-get autoremove" |
| 19:35.18 | bool | didnt do anything |
| 19:35.39 | jordanm | bool: then other things depend or recommend those packages now, or they have been marked manually installed |
| 19:35.44 | jordanm | bool: aptitude why <package> |
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| 19:35.57 | jhutchin1_wk | bool: aptitude does a better job of tracking that, but may not help if the original install was not with aptitude. |
| 19:36.14 | jhutchin1_wk | bool: You may also want to look at the deborphan tool. |
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| 19:36.28 | bool | so aptitude is preferred over apt-get? |
| 19:36.39 | jhutchin1_wk | !why aptitude |
| 19:36.39 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. lenny->squeeze). Read the release notes and http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 19:37.00 | jhutchin1_wk | !why not aptitude |
| 19:37.01 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 19:37.56 | jhutchin1_wk | bool: For lenny -> squeeeze there was a potential dependency loop with aptitude that apt-get didn't hit, so apt-get was recommended. |
| 19:38.17 | bool | i am using wheezy |
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| 19:38.29 | mchristy | is there a way to script setting a package as auto-removeable? I'm trying 'aptitude install "dosfstools&M"' but then asks me to verify removal of the package, but I don't want to remove it now, just remove the manually installed flag. |
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| 19:39.02 | tremon | mchristy: there's aptitude markauto, or apt-mark auto |
| 19:39.02 | jhutchin1_wk | mchristy: Tell aptitude no and see what else it offers as a solution. |
| 19:39.10 | bool | jhutchin1_wk, so now i should probably use aptitude for wheezy? |
| 19:39.30 | tremon | mchristy: if you remove the manually-installed flag, and no other package depends on it, it will get removed |
| 19:39.33 | jhutchin1_wk | bool: That's really an "it depends" question. |
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| 19:39.46 | bool | depends on what really? |
| 19:40.10 | bool | if it keeps better track of packages i dont see why i shoulnt use it |
| 19:40.25 | jhutchin1_wk | depends on what you're doing, how you've learned to do things, what your other experience and level of knowledge are. |
| 19:40.45 | tremon | bool: for one thing, aptitude doesn't handle multi-arch systems |
| 19:40.58 | jhutchin1_wk | bool: I use it for most stuff, but I also sometimes use apt-get and use dpkg directly. |
| 19:41.19 | bool | so when do you opt for apt-get? |
| 19:41.34 | themill | tremon: should do so now |
| 19:41.43 | jhutchin1_wk | bool: Sometimes aptitude is too helpful and I want a simpler solution. |
| 19:41.50 | tremon | ah, am I behind the times? |
| 19:41.57 | themill | tremon: only by a few days |
| 19:42.02 | tremon | ah :) |
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| 19:42.20 | tremon | thx. Frankly I hadn't expected that to happen in the wheezy timeframe |
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| 19:42.32 | tremon | good to hear I was wrong :) |
| 19:42.37 | solar_sea | Hi. Using debian squeeze + alsa, how do I set a default sound card for playback and another one for recording ? |
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| 19:43.06 | somiaj | you can create an asoundrc (eith $HOME/.asoundrc for your user or /etc/asoundrc for the system) |
| 19:43.14 | somiaj | from there you can set up default playback and capture cards |
| 19:44.00 | solar_sea | somiaj: Can alsa write it's current/runtime config as a file ? (such as X -configure) so that I can simply modify it ? |
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| 19:44.34 | somiaj | solar_sea: not that I know of, but it only takes a few lines to change the default. I forget the nice way though. I use a way that works but destorys dmix by default |
| 19:45.21 | pozic_ | My screen tells me 'no signal' for no particular reason. Is there any place where I can see why it shows me 'no signal' out of nothing? |
| 19:45.36 | pozic_ | I don't get a crash of the OS or something like that. |
| 19:45.37 | somiaj | that is your screen doing it on its own. |
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| 19:45.51 | somiaj | It means that the graphics card it is pluged into is giving it no signal |
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| 19:46.03 | pozic_ | somiaj: yes, but if I press Control, it comes back. |
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| 19:46.14 | pozic_ | somiaj: and, if I do not press Control, it does not come back. |
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| 19:46.37 | pozic_ | somiaj: substitute Control for the Any key, if you want. |
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| 19:47.24 | pozic_ | Anyway, that's the description of the problem. |
| 19:47.30 | pozic_ | Now, is there any _solution_? |
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| 19:48.04 | Iridos | switch off powersaving for the monitor? |
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| 19:48.58 | pozic_ | Iridos: I think it's the graphics card not sending a signal, not the monitor just disabling by itself. |
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| 19:50.08 | Iridos | it's one of the powersaving options you can set |
| 19:50.16 | Iridos | often in your WM/DE |
| 19:50.28 | Iridos | well, DE |
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| 19:51.24 | tremon | aka xset -dpms |
| 19:51.25 | pozic_ | Iridos: I am not powersaving anything. |
| 19:51.48 | Iridos | try xset -dpms |
| 19:51.50 | Iridos | oh |
| 19:51.52 | themill | pozic_: does this occur after a period of inactivity? |
| 19:52.04 | Iridos | tremon, unfair, I had to look it up in xsets manpage |
| 19:52.13 | somiaj | well even with dpms the monintor rarely looses signal |
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| 19:52.40 | somiaj | it is strange it is connencted to pressing of a key, it could also be just a faulty wire between the monintor and computer |
| 19:52.44 | themill | somiaj: my monitor at work flashes "no signal" for a couple of seconds and then goes into a low power mode |
| 19:52.45 | pozic_ | themill: it seems to correlate with showing video (e.g. youtube). |
| 19:52.54 | pozic_ | themill: it's not 10 minutes or something like that. |
| 19:53.05 | pozic_ | themill: it happened a few times within 30 seconds or so. |
| 19:53.11 | tremon | somiaj: that really depends on the monitor. For my htpc I had to disable dpms to, because the connected TV wouldn't go to standby either |
| 19:53.15 | somiaj | Iridos: xset s off -- another one I have to use a lot (cause x screen blanking is not always dpms) |
| 19:53.51 | tremon | s/to/too/ |
| 19:53.59 | somiaj | tremon: ahh, well I rarely see monintors that say they loose signal when dpms is turned on, but I though dpms was a signal the graphics card sent tot he monintor. |
| 19:54.01 | pozic_ | One other property is that this never happened before. |
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| 19:54.21 | pozic_ | And I didn't change anything, besides possibly upgrading to a newer kernel. |
| 19:54.34 | tremon | pozic_: so, what changed? software update? new utility company? |
| 19:54.57 | somiaj | hardware can also just go bad...do you have another computer you can test that monintor/cable on? |
| 19:55.02 | pozic_ | tremon: I think just a kernel change, but these things are hard to know. |
| 19:55.19 | pozic_ | tremon: it's not like everything is directly noticed. |
| 19:55.20 | tremon | you can try with the previous kernel, if you still have it |
| 19:56.00 | somiaj | pozic_: double check the connenction to the mointor in the back, maybe it got loose. Though trying the older kernel is also a good idea. |
| 19:56.16 | pozic_ | tremon: but shouldn't the graphics card say something like "Ok, going to stop sending a signal, because user requested it by doing FOOBAR" in some system log? |
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| 19:57.28 | ManoftheSea | So, I've been looking at systemd. Apparently, there's some discussion about having files in /run/initramfs/ like "shutdown" which will get pivot_root'ed at the end of shutdown to unmount the rootfs. |
| 19:57.42 | ManoftheSea | Previously, the root is remounted ro, right? |
| 19:57.54 | ManoftheSea | Were all those shutdowns, for all those years, "unclean"? |
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| 19:58.19 | ManoftheSea | If not, what's the advantage of deactivating the last lv, closing the cryptvolume, etc? |
| 19:58.32 | ManoftheSea | can anyone point me at a resource with better explanation? |
| 19:58.38 | tremon | pozic_: no, dpms status is usually not logged |
| 19:59.40 | pozic_ | tremon: so, basically your theory is that if I run xset -dpms that I won't get into this situation again, correct? |
| 19:59.55 | tremon | ManoftheSea: there is no point. The machine is going to halt. All that is important is that there are no more pending writes before powering down |
| 19:59.58 | somiaj | if that doesn't stop it, then it isn't a dpms issue pozic_ |
| 20:00.45 | tremon | pozic_: that's the theory, if this is indeed a dpms issue (as somiaj says). If it doesn't help, my next bet will be on the edid parsing/load detection in the driver |
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| 20:01.16 | ManoftheSea | tremon: so, it's useless effort? |
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| 20:01.33 | ManoftheSea | Last random question... |
| 20:01.41 | tremon | ManoftheSea: looks like it... |
| 20:01.55 | ManoftheSea | I was reading about dracut. I was like, "Yes, this is all good" but then I thought, "And done in initramfs-tools"... |
| 20:02.09 | tremon | ... it will be even better? |
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| 20:02.14 | ManoftheSea | Does anyone know whether dracut is "better than" initramfs-tools at this point? |
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| 20:03.01 | pozic_ | tremon: how does this explain the part where I didn't change anything besides kernel? |
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| 20:03.31 | tremon | pozic_: hardware can go wrong at any time, with or without kernel updates |
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| 20:05.23 | somiaj | yea it seems to be hardware related (so either a bug in the new kernel driver or bad hardware) |
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| 20:07.01 | somiaj | pozic_: you could also type 'xset dpms force standby' -- that will put your monintor into dpms mode right away and see if that causes the no signal issue or just turns off your monintor |
| 20:08.20 | Hexeon | does anyone use webmin? is there a replacement for webmin? cause I think it's broke and don't work right half of the time |
| 20:08.27 | somiaj | !webmin |
| 20:08.27 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 20:08.28 | pozic_ | somiaj: that seems to give the same result, yes. |
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| 20:08.46 | somiaj | pozic_: so then that could be what is going on. (: |
| 20:08.53 | somiaj | Hexeon: /msg dpkg free whcp |
| 20:09.10 | pozic_ | somiaj: which part decides that perhaps it's time for dpms? |
| 20:09.32 | pozic_ | somiaj: (I suppose the xserver) |
| 20:09.39 | somiaj | usually it is an activity timer, and vidoe players and stuff send activity to the timer to keep it resetting |
| 20:09.47 | somiaj | yea it is xserver and a timer |
| 20:10.43 | themill | pozic_: screensavers can too. You don't have some sort of multimonitor setup with x2x or synergy or a kvm or something like that do you? |
| 20:11.00 | pozic_ | somiaj: so, if I was watching a video from something in wine, it would be very probably the case that wine generates no such activity and thus causes such a problem. |
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| 20:11.22 | pozic_ | themill: I do have a multi-monitor setup. |
| 20:11.31 | pozic_ | themill: via xrandr 1.2 |
| 20:11.40 | somiaj | pozic_: correct, the video player in wine may not know how to tell the xserver not to go into dpms mode |
| 20:12.21 | somiaj | pozic_: xset -dpms && xset s off -- that will disable the default server going into powersavings mode. I use that when I watch hulu because flash doesn't reset the timer either |
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| 20:12.54 | roxxis | Is the GL draw deprecated in openGL in debian? If so my company is either forced to port it to another system or swap the calls. Both will take me ages. |
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| 20:13.15 | pozic_ | somiaj: yeah, via Youtube the same thing happened (as I already mentioned) and as such I believe this problem has reached 'case closed'-status. Thanks for thinking with me. |
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| 20:14.26 | roxxis | btw the openGL compatibillity on win7 and 8 is horrible |
| 20:14.36 | somiaj | roxxis: do you know the version that it was finally removed/deprecated in? |
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| 20:15.14 | roxxis | i know i can just force non upgrades. |
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| 20:15.39 | roxxis | somiaj: It is wheezy at the moment |
| 20:15.43 | somiaj | well I would compare the version you know doesn't have it to the version in wheezy (that way you know if debian will support it for wheezy's lifetime) |
| 20:16.24 | somiaj | so if wheezy doesn't support it now you do have options to compile your own opengl packages. Might just have to create a patch to reimplement that feature and make your own package. |
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| 20:16.39 | pozic_ | roxxis: why do you need opengl directly? |
| 20:17.05 | roxxis | no i want the openGL draw function to work. |
| 20:17.20 | roxxis | it is dead now |
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| 20:17.31 | somiaj | if it was depricated, didn't they replace it with something else? |
| 20:17.39 | roxxis | no relink or anything |
| 20:18.02 | roxxis | It is just dead |
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| 20:18.19 | [ciga] | hello |
| 20:18.26 | pozic_ | somiaj: I got the 'no signal'-thing again, 5 seconds after I was done typing. |
| 20:18.32 | somiaj | but if wheezy doesn't support it now, it most likely won't. You are welcome to file a wishlist bug, but sounds like you are set with figuring out how to upgrade |
| 20:18.49 | somiaj | roxxis: debian squeeze will be supported for at least another year, so you do have time. (: |
| 20:19.01 | roxxis | if i knew, do you not think i would code a compat layer as my entire buissnes depends on it |
| 20:19.10 | [ciga] | does anyone used nvidia 96.43.23-1 from experimental? it seems to me that nvidia removed this driver... |
| 20:19.22 | pozic_ | roxxis: are you in the business of building a game engine? |
| 20:19.32 | pozic_ | roxxis: if not, why not use one? |
| 20:19.37 | somiaj | ,versions nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:19.38 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 302.17-3; sid/non-free: 304.48-1 |
| 20:19.49 | pozic_ | roxxis: because that's what the purpose is of a game-engine. |
| 20:20.03 | roxxis | no, but i use gldraw a lot as it is stable and bug free. |
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| 20:20.19 | hellyeah | hey |
| 20:20.28 | hellyeah | is there anyone who use cairo-dock |
| 20:20.38 | pozic_ | hellyeah: I did, and I think it was too buggy. |
| 20:20.56 | roxxis | hellyeah: sadly i have tried it, it sucks |
| 20:21.03 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/54073 |
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| 20:21.09 | hellyeah | can you check this |
| 20:21.29 | somiaj | [ciga]: I don't see any nvidia packages in experimental right now, and that version seems fairly old |
| 20:21.30 | hellyeah | cairo-dock works in ubuntu with well condition |
| 20:22.06 | [ciga] | somiaj: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx/nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx_96.43.23-1/changelog |
| 20:22.13 | pozic_ | hellyeah: I think you should just accept that cairo-dock is low-quality software. |
| 20:22.28 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 20:22.30 | pozic_ | hellyeah: you can report a bug at whoever wrote the software, or fix it yourself. |
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| 20:22.38 | hellyeah | is there any similar things |
| 20:22.42 | pozic_ | hellyeah: but I advice you to run away from it. |
| 20:22.47 | roxxis | why not build your own dock? all of them sucks. take the source from the yab project beDock from 2001 and you have a working non-intrusive working dock in no time |
| 20:22.53 | hellyeah | because i would like to have something like cairo |
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| 20:23.01 | hellyeah | actually there was another thing awn |
| 20:23.03 | pozic_ | hellyeah: google for Ikontasks kde4.8 |
| 20:23.09 | hellyeah | what about that awn windows manager |
| 20:23.23 | Ox42 | should my hostname just be a name or a FQDN? |
| 20:23.23 | hellyeah | i am using gnome |
| 20:23.25 | pozic_ | hellyeah: it's different from the dock, but at least it works. |
| 20:23.29 | roxxis | awn is just visual masturbation |
| 20:23.40 | hellyeah | roxxis: what do you mean |
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| 20:24.05 | pozic_ | Probably that it has no utility. |
| 20:24.13 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 20:24.14 | hellyeah | man |
| 20:24.15 | pozic_ | Just like wobbly windows. |
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| 20:24.27 | hellyeah | compiz cairo-dock is just a piece of trash right now |
| 20:24.28 | pozic_ | At least, I don't think anyone actually uses that. |
| 20:24.45 | roxxis | i mean simply this: Use awesome, xmonad or TWiN for one day It will serve you good |
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| 20:25.25 | roxxis | TWiN is not for the faint hearted though as it is curses only |
| 20:25.33 | hellyeah | http://xmonad.org/ |
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| 20:26.03 | roxxis | xmonat is not my personal preference |
| 20:26.15 | roxxis | i like TWiN |
| 20:26.37 | pozic_ | roxxis: twin is text-mode only? I.e. no X? |
| 20:26.42 | roxxis | then i do not need X |
| 20:26.50 | roxxis | yes it is |
| 20:27.04 | pozic_ | roxxis: but then you also don't have high resolution graphics, do you? |
| 20:27.05 | roxxis | but it still allows for FB apps |
| 20:27.22 | pozic_ | roxxis: e.g. beautiful fonts, etc. |
| 20:27.27 | hellyeah | what is FB apps? |
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| 20:27.33 | pozic_ | frame buffer device |
| 20:27.36 | hellyeah | i want X |
| 20:27.39 | roxxis | exactly |
| 20:27.40 | hellyeah | btw |
| 20:27.48 | pozic_ | Not Facebook :) |
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| 20:27.58 | hellyeah | facebook sucks |
| 20:28.13 | roxxis | pozic_: thank you |
| 20:28.14 | pozic_ | Facebook is going down to 2$. |
| 20:28.25 | pozic_ | It will just take a few years. |
| 20:28.36 | hellyeah | facebook said one of guy accepted your friend request that i actually never did such request |
| 20:28.50 | hellyeah | pozic_: you mean "stock" |
| 20:29.07 | pozic_ | hellyeah: that was clear from context. |
| 20:29.31 | roxxis | pozic_: I am using a system with 2056X1600 screen as my base but i have aditional screens |
| 20:29.36 | roxxis | does not matter |
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| 20:29.49 | pozic_ | roxxis: how do you mean? |
| 20:30.00 | roxxis | TWiN rocks for any resolution |
| 20:30.11 | hellyeah | wait |
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| 20:30.17 | hellyeah | twin is with X or without X |
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| 20:30.27 | pozic_ | roxxis: do you use a special kernel or something like that? |
| 20:30.42 | pozic_ | roxxis: my text-mode vttys look like shit. |
| 20:30.57 | DammitJim | man, I'm so nervous to see what awaits me at home... |
| 20:31.07 | hellyeah | amamdamd |
| 20:31.10 | DammitJim | my home server went offline during a copy routine |
| 20:31.18 | DammitJim | I hope the hard drive is ok |
| 20:31.32 | hellyeah | i guess |
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| 20:31.37 | hellyeah | gnome become suck |
| 20:32.03 | DammitJim | is unity in any way related to debian? |
| 20:32.51 | hellyeah | i see something similar to unity |
| 20:32.55 | pozic_ | I can see some advantages to running without X. |
| 20:33.00 | pozic_ | Probably there is less latency. |
| 20:33.01 | hellyeah | gnome has two different thing |
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| 20:33.15 | hellyeah | first one is gnome classic |
| 20:33.23 | hellyeah | other one is gnome similar to unity |
| 20:33.41 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: No, it's a Cannonical project. |
| 20:33.46 | pozic_ | I think the default settings for how many keypresses per second can be done are too low. |
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| 20:33.57 | pozic_ | Just raising that makes it seem that your computer is faster already. |
| 20:34.12 | hellyeah | it is tough to use X |
| 20:34.13 | pozic_ | (It's complete technical nonsense, but it does feel that way.) |
| 20:34.15 | roxxis | pozic_: nothing special about my builds except that they all have FB drivers |
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| 20:34.34 | roxxis | i never use X/X11 |
| 20:34.35 | DammitJim | I've neverheard of FaceBook drivers |
| 20:34.42 | pozic_ | roxxis: who is the vendor of those FB drivers? |
| 20:34.47 | jhutchin1_wk | Did one of you have a Debian Support question? |
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| 20:35.03 | pozic_ | roxxis: is it completely open-source/mainline or is it AMD/nvidia? |
| 20:35.11 | roxxis | Intel is the leading FrameBuffer driver developer |
| 20:35.25 | pozic_ | roxxis: or do you have intel hardware too? |
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| 20:35.30 | DammitJim | jhutchin1_wk, I'm about to go home and look at my server that crashed during a simple cp process |
| 20:35.40 | DammitJim | I was trying to backup stuff to an external hard drive |
| 20:36.04 | pozic_ | roxxis: what kind of things do you do with your computer then that you only use text-mode? |
| 20:36.04 | roxxis | i have a laptop with AMD hardware, but it is only used for irc |
| 20:36.17 | DammitJim | could the squeeze machine have crashed from doing too many reads? |
| 20:36.24 | pozic_ | roxxis: for example, programming without having some web-browser open for documentation seems impractical. |
| 20:36.26 | roxxis | the rest is either Intel or 3Dfx |
| 20:36.39 | DammitJim | is there a debian recovery option? |
| 20:36.49 | roxxis | both have perfect (almost) linux drivers |
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| 20:36.56 | jhutchin1_wk | pozic_ roxxis if you don't have a Debian Support question could you take the general chat to #debian-offtopic or somewhere else please? |
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| 20:37.18 | DammitJim | or does the OS never get corrupted? |
| 20:37.25 | DammitJim | I'm just trying to prepare for the worse |
| 20:37.45 | pozic_ | DammitJim: in the worst case your machine is now inside the sun according to the latest scientific theory. |
| 20:37.46 | DammitJim | I have no RAID or LVMs |
| 20:37.57 | roxxis | indeed. I an just responding to prevous questions. jhutchins |
| 20:38.04 | DammitJim | .... my machine is now inside the sun... that's pretty deep |
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| 20:38.10 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Well, worst is dead drive due to drive hardware failure. I had one start throwing SMART errors and within 24 hours it was unreadable. |
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| 20:38.38 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: ext3 is pretty good at recovering from arbitrary power loss, but bad sectors is bad sectores. |
| 20:38.47 | DammitJim | dammit.. are there any utilities I can run to recover stuff from the drive? I have a wheezy laptop I'm bringing home |
| 20:40.03 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Yes, there are, I was trying to come up with the name, something like photorec. Don't run fsck in repair mode until you know what's wrong. |
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| 20:40.13 | DammitJim | ugh, what is the command to see the filesystem one has? |
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| 20:40.46 | DammitJim | I think I used e2fsck on that external drive because I had ext4 |
| 20:41.09 | jhutchin1_wk | mount should tell you what the FS is. |
| 20:41.13 | DammitJim | jhutchin1_wk, thanks... photorec is what they are mentioning on debian-administrator |
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| 20:41.40 | jhutchin1_wk | Brain like a steel sieve I tell ya. |
| 20:41.40 | DammitJim | yeah, I have ext4 |
| 20:42.01 | zinx | DammitJim: there's scalpel too |
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| 20:42.09 | DammitJim | scalpel? |
| 20:42.10 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Hopefully someone just backhoed your ISP. |
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| 20:42.45 | DammitJim | no no, I saw some weird error that popped up in the window where I was copying the files |
| 20:42.58 | DammitJim | but I accidentally closed it instead of doing a screenshot |
| 20:43.15 | jhutchin1_wk | I have a server that from day one runs along merrily until something starts accessing a LOT of files, like an indexer or an rsync backup, then it starts throwing errors. |
| 20:43.31 | DammitJim | yeah, rsync is what I was doing |
| 20:43.43 | DammitJim | man, I gotta get better hard drives |
| 20:43.49 | jhutchin1_wk | Makes backups problematic. |
| 20:43.51 | K4k | Hi, I'm trying to build surf in Debian 6 and it's complaining that I'm missing "javascriptcoregtk-1.0". After some digging I found references to a package "gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-1.0" in reference to sid. Is there a similar package for stable? |
| 20:44.35 | DammitJim | zinx, scalper seems to be just for recovering deleted files? |
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| 20:45.09 | DammitJim | jhutchin1_wk, if I have to reboot the machine... should I boot into a particular debian option? |
| 20:45.18 | zinx | DammitJim: scalpel works like photorec |
| 20:45.21 | DammitJim | I think normally there are 2 options... |
| 20:45.28 | DammitJim | ok, thanks zinx I added that to my list |
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| 20:46.23 | DammitJim | yeah, I think it's recovery mode |
| 20:46.38 | DammitJim | do I need to have something else with me to run utilities within it? |
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| 20:46.48 | DammitJim | man, something tells me I'm going to have to rebuild the sucker |
| 20:47.27 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Ideally boot to a rescue disk or some other medium - you want to avoid any writes to the disk like log files. |
| 20:47.48 | DammitJim | we have a debian Live CD, don't we? |
| 20:47.51 | DammitJim | maybe I'll do that |
| 20:47.52 | jhutchin1_wk | K4k: I'm not finding anything. |
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| 20:48.10 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Yeah, various sources say any install CD or a specific live image. |
| 20:48.13 | K4k | jhutchin1_wk: thank you for looking, I was coming up empty as well. |
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| 20:48.29 | DammitJim | can I use a netinstall CD? |
| 20:48.32 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: systemrescuecd and clonezilla are limited. |
| 20:48.36 | DammitJim | that's what I have on a USB stick |
| 20:48.46 | DammitJim | I have clonezilla |
| 20:49.20 | DammitJim | so, I boot into a live image for example... then I should just try to mount the drive? |
| 20:49.34 | DammitJim | so that I can read the log files? |
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| 20:50.49 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Mount it read only, check for smart errors. |
| 20:50.58 | thomaschaaf | Hey I am on Debian Wheezy (all updates installed) and am having trouble with my e1000e NIC. It keeps going up and down. I have seen and tried different fixes but found none to be working |
| 20:51.12 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: You can do an fsck, just don't tell it to correct errors. |
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| 20:51.26 | thomaschaaf | sorry let me go to debian-next |
| 20:51.55 | jhutchin1_wk | thomaschaaf: No problem. There is firmware for the e1000e, but it's usually not necessary. |
| 20:52.18 | jhutchin1_wk | thomaschaaf: They're usually rock solid, so it may be a hardware problem or something with network manager. |
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| 20:52.38 | DammitJim | mount -o ro /dev/xxx /mnt/drive should do for readonly, right? |
| 20:52.58 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Right. (mkdir /mnt/drive if necessary) |
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| 20:53.27 | DammitJim | and in my case I'll use fsck.ext4 /dev/xxx1 right? |
| 20:53.36 | DammitJim | xxx1 is the partition number of the device |
| 20:54.00 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: right, and you're mounting /dev/sd?# - the partition not the drive. |
| 20:54.19 | DammitJim | sorry, yes! |
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| 20:54.26 | DammitJim | then if it finds errors, I'm screwed |
| 20:54.34 | DammitJim | if it doesn't, then I should be able to boot from it, right? |
| 20:54.41 | DammitJim | I mean, I'll look at the logs first |
| 20:54.44 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: No, you do moar research. |
| 20:55.03 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Were you running smartmontools? |
| 20:55.07 | DammitJim | no |
| 20:55.24 | jhutchin1_wk | Ok, won't be smart errors then, but you can enable smart and test the drive. |
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| 20:55.47 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: You'll need to check the smart tools docs, I don't do it often enough to remember. |
| 20:55.54 | DammitJim | smart meaning the utilities that come for hard drives? |
| 20:56.12 | DammitJim | I think one can boot into those utilities |
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| 20:56.31 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: dpkg recommends http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
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| 20:57.05 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Yeah, it's software on the onboard drive controller that has Linux tools which interface with it. |
| 20:57.49 | DammitJim | man, it sounds like I'm going to have to just bring an extra drive home and install debian on it |
| 20:57.52 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Remember you can install software on a live cd system, it just goes away on reboot. |
| 20:58.02 | DammitJim | get my services running and while that's going on, I'll do the research on the drive |
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| 20:58.08 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Nice option you have. |
| 20:58.20 | DammitJim | I shouldn't hurry repairing the drive 'cause I could mess stuff up |
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| 20:58.23 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Like I said, maybe the dog just chewed through the network cable. |
| 20:58.29 | DammitJim | well no, I'll put a tiny drive to just do the normal services |
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| 20:58.51 | DammitJim | I'll come back here to paste the actual error if I can get into the logs |
| 20:59.04 | DammitJim | there was a system failure... not a network one... that's all I know |
| 20:59.10 | jhutchin1_wk | I meant nice to have. I ended up building a new system and copying my data, most of which seemed to come through OK. |
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| 20:59.22 | DammitJim | yeah, that's my hope |
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| 20:59.23 | DammitJim | :D |
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| 20:59.34 | DammitJim | especially 'cause I had a separate partition for all my data |
| 20:59.36 | DammitJim | except my mailbox |
| 20:59.47 | jhutchin1_wk | Ouch. |
| 20:59.48 | DammitJim | alright, thank you for your help |
| 20:59.50 | DammitJim | feeling better |
| 20:59.59 | jhutchin1_wk | DammitJim: Good luck! Let us know what you find. |
| 21:00.20 | DammitJim | just the fact that I was able to talk about this has given me confidence to attack the problem... whatever it is |
| 21:00.23 | DammitJim | thanks again! |
| 21:01.07 | Hexeon | oooo install and graphical install. which one? I like GUI. so maybe graphical install |
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| 21:03.40 | hoettr | &c |
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| 21:12.36 | jhutchin1_wk | The fun thing about the graphical install is you run through it and it all works great and you boot into the new system and ... WTF? no graphics? |
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| 21:13.47 | TheWarden | I'm connecting into my Debian system using VNC. For a given session it prompts on the system for "Enter password for keyring 'default' to unlock". How can I get rid of this? I don't want it prompt stopping me from being able to connect to the box. |
| 21:14.05 | gd515 | what do you guys think the top 3 distros are ? |
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| 21:14.34 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Set up your keyring to either start without a password or to not start. |
| 21:14.43 | pozic_ | gd515: Debian, Debian, Debian? |
| 21:15.02 | pozic_ | gd515: (you don't get another response, unless you ask a well-defined question) |
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| 21:15.11 | archetech | the top the best ugh so subjective |
| 21:15.12 | jhutchins_wk | gd515: Not really a topic for #debian. distrowatch.com has some suggestions. |
| 21:15.16 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: if I set it to not start wouldn't that make VNC not work as vino stores the connection password right? |
| 21:15.23 | gd515 | lol Thats what i am thinking on switching to , I have ubuntu now but i hate its unity so i used its classic gnome but i still want something differ |
| 21:16.01 | pozic_ | gd515: that has nothing to do with the distro. |
| 21:16.08 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Dunno, never used vino. I've used openvnc and tightvnc. |
| 21:16.17 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Also always without keys. |
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| 21:16.23 | pozic_ | gd515: if you want to know what you like, install all of them (in Debian) and try them out. |
| 21:16.46 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: okay thanks |
| 21:17.24 | jhutchins_wk | gd515: For that matter there are other desktops available in ubuntu. |
| 21:17.33 | Hexeon | should I choose separate /home parition? |
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| 21:18.06 | prietus | hi |
| 21:18.07 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: I recommend a single partition and swap until you know why you want it otherwise. |
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| 21:18.23 | gd515 | ok if i install debian on my win7 HDD can i make 3 partitions? 258mb for boot 2048 as swap and the 3rd for my primary and use EasyBCD for the loader ? |
| 21:18.47 | Hexeon | separate /home, /usr, /var, and /tmp partitions |
| 21:19.30 | jhutchins_wk | gd515: I wouldn't make a seperate /boot, and I'd just use the stamdard grub bootloader. |
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| 21:20.07 | prietus | ldconfig complaitns about /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6.0.14-gdb.py not an elf file and wrong magic bytes, do i have to worry? |
| 21:20.19 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: Why? |
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| 21:20.58 | jhutchins_wk | prietus: You might want to reinstall that file. |
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| 21:21.15 | jhutchins_wk | prietus: Oh, python. Who knows. |
| 21:21.36 | Hexeon | I guess home would keep all the user files |
| 21:21.43 | llrealmanll | when I access to sepecefic url (POST some data) in PHP program this logs appear in my apache error log: |
| 21:21.44 | llrealmanll | WARNING: HOME is not set, using root: / |
| 21:21.44 | llrealmanll | [Thu Sep 13 22:49:47 2012] [notice] child pid 32111 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
| 21:22.06 | themill | piezo: that file isn't in any debian package... where's it from and which release of debian is this in? |
| 21:22.07 | prietus | apt-get upgrade says the same about a lot of py files jhutchins |
| 21:22.12 | llrealmanll | how could I detect the problem? |
| 21:22.16 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: Again, why seperate partitions at all? |
| 21:23.04 | llrealmanll | and request aborted |
| 21:23.13 | Hexeon | keep things separated. maybe it's better |
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| 21:23.50 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: Maybe it's not. |
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| 21:24.47 | jhutchins_wk | Hexeon: Chances are you will end up with space you need in one partion that is on a different partition. Single+swap is very good for single-user multi-use and prototyping. |
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| 21:24.56 | Hexeon | maybe by keeping it separated, I can reinstall the system and keep all the user files |
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| 21:27.26 | boudiccas | Hexeon: have one partition and it'll make life easier and simpler for you |
| 21:27.30 | phox | ugh... why did this new release severely _break_ bash completion |
| 21:27.35 | phox | this is really infuriating. |
| 21:27.59 | phox | 6.0 stable |
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| 21:28.23 | themill | phox: "new release"? and in what way is it broken? |
| 21:29.27 | phox | weird. it's somewhat started working again. it was doing retarded things like completing '/dev/sd' to /dev/sda' without offering or cycling alternatives, which is of course severely broken, misleading, and unusable =/ |
| 21:29.39 | phox | but it would still offer to complete /dev/sdj to /dev/sdj or /dev/sdj1 |
| 21:30.01 | Hexeon | okay I am gonna make it 1 partition + swap |
| 21:30.05 | simonlnu | sound like it got confused. |
| 21:30.07 | phox | seems to have magically begun working correctly for now, at least on that testcase. gack. |
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| 21:30.19 | phox | yeah, nfi. I'll see if I can get it to reproduce itself =/ |
| 21:30.39 | themill | phox: sure you didn't fat finger the <tab> and <a>? |
| 21:31.28 | Mp5shooter | wow |
| 21:31.30 | Hexeon | I would've installed ubuntu, but I don't like its default color, bright orange and purple. |
| 21:31.38 | Mp5shooter | you'd need some pretty fat fingers to hit tab and A at the same time |
| 21:31.42 | Mp5shooter | considering they're on different rows |
| 21:31.42 | Mp5shooter | ;p |
| 21:31.46 | phox | themill: I tried it several times in a row. |
| 21:32.04 | phox | Mp5shooter: figure-8-shaped fat fingers. |
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| 21:32.11 | phox | maybe webbed fingers. there we go. |
| 21:32.18 | doomster | good evening, everybody! |
| 21:32.43 | simonlnu | yes, webbed |
| 21:33.16 | superstraw | my wife has a web between two fingers lol |
| 21:33.24 | superstraw | she has to wear her wedding ring on the right hand. |
| 21:33.26 | simonlnu | i just has zsh + mc not play nice with ^c, until i re-logged |
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| 21:33.40 | superstraw | her brother has webbed toes. has one pierced. |
| 21:33.51 | Hexeon | her whole family has webs? |
| 21:34.06 | superstraw | Hexeon: just her and her bro, they suspect it's from her father's exposure to agent orange in vietnam. |
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| 21:34.12 | digdilem | anyone else thinking 'Waterworld'? |
| 21:34.12 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 21:34.21 | superstraw | sorry :D |
| 21:34.26 | doomster | I have issues with a new Debian/testing install running very sluggish under X. Just switching windows takes like 2-4 seconds. Any clue what could be wrong? |
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| 21:34.39 | Hexeon | oh agent orange. I've heard of that. so they are messed up |
| 21:35.10 | bool | finally managed to install my printer |
| 21:35.33 | Hexeon | doomster: what wm |
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| 21:36.21 | doomster | Hexeon, fluxbox or icewm, makes no difference |
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| 21:38.29 | doomster | some more data: it's a 4-core atom 2700 CPU and the install is 64 bit |
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| 21:43.46 | Mp5shooter | themill: I think you forgot one |
| 21:43.55 | phox | grrr, module-assistant = garbage. are there any alternatives? |
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| 21:44.18 | Mp5shooter | 174.55.170.119 |
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| 21:44.56 | phox | i.e. something that might actually let me build any given module |
| 21:45.12 | jhutchins_wk | phox: dkms? |
| 21:45.24 | phox | k, I'll look into that |
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| 21:45.42 | jhutchins_wk | phox: Lots of people use module assistant successfully though. |
| 21:45.53 | specing | Thats no flood, its a zombie smashing at an innocent IRC user with a keyboard! |
| 21:45.56 | phox | it just gives me some dumb-ass, uninformative error when I try to use it |
| 21:46.21 | phox | "mst_pci, what is mst_pci?" |
| 21:46.26 | jhutchins_wk | phox: Your job to become more informed so that the error becomes meaningful. |
| 21:46.32 | phox | which is of course the most retarded error message ever. |
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| 21:46.37 | phox | jhutchins_wk: no, the error is uninformative |
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| 21:47.02 | phox | it does not indicate whether it failed to FIND that as a build target, or whether there is a syntax error when it might be expecting some sort of specific keyword in place of that argument |
| 21:47.06 | phox | so it is a stupid error |
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| 21:47.49 | phox | a real error would look like, for example: "module 'mst_pci' is unavailable to build' |
| 21:47.58 | phox | or, you know, something that tells you something. |
| 21:48.05 | phox | it might as well just print "No." |
| 21:48.12 | superstraw | it's speaking to you, you just don't speak the language. |
| 21:48.27 | phox | superstraw: no, it does not know "the language" |
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| 21:48.45 | phox | "the language" here being "terse-as-shit English" which is what normal utilities speak |
| 21:49.30 | superstraw | lol terse-as-shit English |
| 21:49.46 | phox | "plus commonly-understood delimiters" |
| 21:49.47 | themill | phox: you'll get much better help if you just ask questions rather than complaining how everything is crap/broken/garbage/shit |
| 21:49.50 | phox | like colons, etc. |
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| 21:50.20 | phox | themill: well, someone answered my original question. it seems module-assistant doesn't quite do what one might expect, so I was looking for something that actually lets me build X arbitrary module |
| 21:50.54 | syllopsium | hi.. I'm looking to add a later kernel than is included in my build of wheezy. At what point does it become necessary to rebuild userland/re-install from scratch? |
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| 21:51.18 | themill | phox: ranting goes to /dev/null though, not #debian. Constructive bug reports go to bugs.debian.org, not to #debian. |
| 21:51.56 | phox | themill: as I mentioned though, I was looking for something less-broken because I need this working now, not whenever bugs gets fixed which seems to be a long time for Debian |
| 21:52.04 | themill | syllopsium: you can grab a kernel package from experimental and use it with wheezy just fine. There's no known userland incompatibilities there. |
| 21:52.07 | Hexeon | more download >_< |
| 21:52.45 | syllopsium | themill: excellent! I'll go straight from 3.2 to 3.5 then :) |
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| 21:59.04 | prietus | hi i cant find the package that provides libstdc++.so.6.0.14-gdb.py in debian wheezy |
| 21:59.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell prietus -about pdo |
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| 21:59.40 | themill | prietus: there is no package that does. There are several things wrong with that file there.... |
| 21:59.58 | themill | prietus: are you in the process of upgrading from squeeze to wheezy? |
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| 21:59.58 | prietus | yes i see |
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| 22:00.19 | prietus | no themill fresh install |
| 22:00.43 | themill | of what? wheezy? not with any wheezy installer released in the last year or so |
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| 22:01.10 | prietus | yes fresh install of wheezy |
| 22:01.18 | themill | using what installer? |
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| 22:01.44 | prietus | mmm, netinstall |
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| 22:02.05 | themill | from where? something you downloaded today? a year ago? |
| 22:02.17 | dwlocks | I've read the multiarch spec, but I'm confused as to how a package should depend on an executable. |
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| 22:02.48 | dwlocks | for example, amanda depends on grep but does not care if grep is i386 or amd64. how do I specify that? |
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| 22:02.53 | prietus | themill, several months ago may be 3 or 4 |
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| 22:03.11 | themill | prietus: That file is in the wrong directory, it's for a version of libstdc++ that doesn't exist, it has the wrong file extension and it has the wrong file contents... ,there's a lot wrong here |
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| 22:04.13 | prietus | thanks themill ill backup the file and them remove |
| 22:04.21 | CaneToad | Are there any tweaks you can do to debian to make desktop performance under I/O load better? Desktop responsiveness and performance under I/O load is absolutely pathetic, worse than every other operating system I've tried. |
| 22:04.21 | prietus | *then |
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| 22:05.01 | adrelanos | Hi! /usr/share/doc... folder... How am I supposed to open the *.gz files? Manually copy to /home, unpack, open or is there a more elegant way? |
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| 22:05.20 | themill | adrelanos: for text files, zless |
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| 22:05.45 | root_911 | hi |
| 22:05.48 | adrelanos | okay |
| 22:05.49 | themill | (or use lesspipe) |
| 22:06.16 | adrelanos | great, i though there must be something :) |
| 22:06.51 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: you can change the scheduler, add more memory, get better drives, switch filesystems, etc. |
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| 22:07.07 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: it really depends on what precisely is making the responsiveness bad |
| 22:07.40 | themill | running all your programs under eatmydata can help too... but the name says it al |
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| 22:10.37 | thewanderer1 | guys, I'm trying to track down the bit responsible for activating xscreensaver when I close my laptop's lid. Using Wheezy, LXDE. /etc/acpi/lid.sh is not quite relevant, it only does xscreensaver-command -unthrottle and -deactivate, but not a single word about activate. |
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| 22:11.26 | thewanderer1 | I just can not imagine what would cause xscreensaver to activate when I close the lid under LXDE, and there seem to be no relevant settings in the configuration managers |
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| 22:11.50 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it's an acpi setting which detects the lid closing and activates it. Iirc, it's in laptop-mode or something like that. |
| 22:12.29 | thewanderer1 | I haven't got laptop-mode-tools installed, and the /etc/acpi scripts don't seem to be doing that... |
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| 22:14.04 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it's in /usr/share/acpi-support/screenblank |
| 22:14.13 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: which is sourced by the /etc/acpi/lid.sh script |
| 22:14.16 | thewanderer1 | oh. |
| 22:14.54 | thewanderer1 | shouldn't this be configurable? |
| 22:14.58 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: it is |
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| 22:15.30 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: see /etc/default/acpi-support |
| 22:15.52 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: you're looking for the LOCK_SCREEN=true bit |
| 22:16.02 | thewanderer1 | yeah, but lid.sh sources screenblank unconditionally |
| 22:16.22 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: yes, but screenblank doesn't blank unless LOCK_SCREEN is true |
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| 22:16.25 | thewanderer1 | aha, screenblank does the variable check itself! |
| 22:16.29 | thewanderer1 | thanks a lot |
| 22:16.32 | CaneToad | dondelelcaro: thanks for your reply... I'm particularly talking about disk I/O... for example if I run "du -s ." on a large directory, or copy a large file to disk, and then go and browse web pages at the same time, sometimes it takes minutes for a single web page to come up |
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| 22:17.03 | dondelelcaro | thewanderer1: np |
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| 22:17.15 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: well, the scheduler is what does a lot of that |
| 22:17.36 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: it shouldn't cause web pages to be horribly slow, but you certainly will see some impact if you're doing a ton of IO |
| 22:18.03 | thewanderer1 | one thing to improve browser user experience (since browsers do a lot of caching): put your browser cache on a tmpfs |
| 22:18.06 | dondelelcaro | I should also point out, that if you don't want some operations to impact overall IO, use ionice or simlar |
| 22:18.37 | CaneToad | dondelelcaro: yes I'd expect some performance hit... but do you know of any scheduler tweaks to improve the general experience? |
| 22:18.54 | CaneToad | dondelelcaro: desktop experience |
| 22:19.11 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: check which scheduler you are using. cfq is pretty much the default now |
| 22:20.15 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: but you might get better performance with anticipatory or deadline |
| 22:20.37 | thewanderer1 | the ultimate solution here is an SSD... |
| 22:21.32 | dondelelcaro | or lots of fast spinning disks |
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| 22:21.46 | CaneToad | thewanderer1: already got an SSD.. have the system on the ssd and /var and other file content on disk |
| 22:21.56 | harovali | hi, how can I make mount -t cgroup -o oom oom /mnt/oom-killer work? It says "mount: special device oom does not exist" |
| 22:22.14 | thewanderer1 | CaneToad: /home should be on an SSD too, or at least the parts you do lots of IOPS on |
| 22:22.30 | Hexeon | Has anyone got samba to work in debian? |
| 22:22.37 | CaneToad | Hexeon: yes |
| 22:22.38 | CaneToad | me |
| 22:22.50 | CaneToad | dondelelcaro: scheduler is debian default, how do I find the scheduler type? |
| 22:22.54 | thewanderer1 | CaneToad: the issue is disk thrashing, or the OS trying to access different parts of the disk at the same time, which doesn't work well on HDDs (but does on SSDs) |
| 22:23.08 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: cat /sys/block/<device>/queue/scheduler |
| 22:24.01 | Hexeon | I am doing a fresh install of debian squeeze. and I am installing samba. Not sure if it will work or not. Never had much luck with samba before. The most I could do is setting up a share that everyone can access, but I was never able to join it to a windows 2003/2008 domain and have domain users access it |
| 22:24.09 | Hexeon | with any sort of permission control |
| 22:24.26 | CaneToad | dondelelcaro: all sd* are: noop anticipatory deadline [cfq] |
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| 22:24.35 | engla | there is no way to fix performance if you want to scrub through your whole disk.. disks have grown much faster than their performance, not much you can do. |
| 22:24.44 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: what type of drive are sd*? |
| 22:24.48 | Hexeon | they all had to connect to the share as a local user |
| 22:24.48 | somiaj | Hexeon: read though the howto, I have even had samba control a windows 03/08 domain. |
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| 22:25.20 | Hexeon | I tried many times but couldn't go thru it |
| 22:25.50 | somiaj | well it works, read the documentation. I belive there is a samba channel here on freenode too |
| 22:25.53 | Hexeon | oh well. I will see after debian finishes installing |
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| 22:30.06 | CaneToad | dondelelcaro: sda is a WD sata 2, sdb is intel SSD sata 2, you want more detail? |
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| 22:31.42 | dondelelcaro | CaneToad: you probably should be using cfq for sda, and noop for sdb, then. But you should also try deadline for sda and/or anticipatory |
| 22:33.01 | thewanderer1 | I think increasing the writeback timeout could also help reduce disk thrashing? |
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| 22:38.29 | Hexeon | does debian 6 install ext3 or ext4? |
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| 22:38.57 | abrotman | ext3 by default |
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| 22:56.37 | lighterapp | does anyone here run a desktop or laptop with icewm as their sole window manager? |
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| 22:58.50 | somiaj | !poles |
| 22:58.51 | dpkg | what firefighters go down on |
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| 22:58.59 | somiaj | !polls |
| 22:59.00 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 23:02.14 | GustavoLapizza | hi |
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| 23:03.58 | GustavoLapizza | i need to send my notebook to reparation (it's still in warranty time) so i need to create a sort of 'fingerprint' of its hardware (with serial numers also, if possible ). What kind of software can i use to gather as much infos as possible to create such a report ? |
| 23:04.24 | somiaj | GustavoLapizza: lshw will give you a long list of everythign in the machine |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | !tell GustavoLapizza about whats my hardware |
| 23:04.48 | somiaj | GustavoLapizza: lshw > hardware_file -- though not sure if it covers serial numbers, and you may want to make it more verbose |
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| 23:05.54 | thewanderer1 | dmidecode >dmi_info # keep your BIOS and RAM info, too! |
| 23:06.11 | thewanderer1 | I think it includes machine serial number if available |
| 23:06.15 | GustavoLapizza | somiaj, thewanderer1 : thanks! |
| 23:06.39 | GustavoLapizza | anything else? |
| 23:06.41 | somiaj | hmm, lshw -html -- didn't know about that, might be easier to parse. |
| 23:07.31 | thewanderer1 | GustavoLapizza: depending on the machine, you might want to open it and take a photo of the inside... :P |
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| 23:08.33 | somiaj | GustavoLapizza: take a look of the info you get from lshw and dmidecode |
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| 23:08.43 | GustavoLapizza | thewanderer1: as i said it is *not* possible |
| 23:08.52 | jeep | cant trust "repair" lotsof horror stories out there of them sending you someone elses junk back |
| 23:09.02 | somiaj | I'm sure you will see you will have more than enough info to see what they replaced. |
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| 23:09.29 | jeep | hi somiaj how are you today ? |
| 23:09.42 | GustavoLapizza | jeep: right. one friend of mine got audio card replaced with a crappy one (he sent the laptop have the fan repaired XD ) |
| 23:09.44 | somiaj | jeep: #debian-offtopic (fine) (: |
| 23:10.15 | GustavoLapizza | *to have the fan .. |
| 23:11.12 | jeep | brb |
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| 23:15.54 | jeep | how can i pass AT commands to a /dev/ttyUSB0 manually .. or make wvdial freeze after sending only one |
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| 23:16.39 | abrotman | minicom ? |
| 23:16.42 | abrotman | kermit? |
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| 23:16.53 | jeep | ah let me look minicom up |
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| 23:17.07 | beardy | screen! |
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| 23:17.27 | abrotman | or that |
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| 23:19.03 | lighterapp | does anyone here run a desktop or laptop with icewm as their sole window manager? |
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| 23:19.13 | lighterapp | on squeeze that is |
| 23:19.46 | abrotman | lighterapp: please stop taking polls, it's annoying, ask your real question |
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| 23:22.03 | SiDz | Hi, im trying to check my signed zone with donuts (from package dnssec-tools) here's what happen |
| 23:22.03 | somiaj | was gonna suggestion #icewm, but it looks really empty |
| 23:22.05 | SiDz | root@DonSiD:/etc/bind/zones/master/external# donuts ifconfig.info.external.signed ifconfig.info |
| 23:22.05 | SiDz | **************************************** here: Adolphe.ifconfig.info.root@DonSiD:/etc/bind/zones/master/external# |
| 23:22.23 | SiDz | it does not work as supose |
| 23:22.26 | abrotman | somiaj: no one really uses it anymore .. it was popular 10 years ago :) |
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| 23:23.31 | lighterapp | how can enable users to shut down and rebooti the computer on icewm *without* allowing them to mess with the command line? |
| 23:23.31 | lighterapp | I edited /usr/share/icewm/preferences and shutdown and reboot commands are defined as /sbin/poweroff and /sbin/reboot but when I press CTRL-ALT-DEL and click on either shutdown or reboot nothing happens. what gives? |
| 23:23.31 | lighterapp | by the way both /sbin/poweroff /sbin/reboot are setuid |
| 23:23.36 | SiDz | it's hard to find forum talkin about donuts as i always find thing about dunkin donuts when googling |
| 23:23.39 | kendooo | can somebody help me install ftp server ? please |
| 23:23.41 | kendooo | guide me |
| 23:23.59 | abrotman | kendooo: why are you using FTP? |
| 23:24.22 | abrotman | lighterapp: what groups is your user in? |
| 23:24.25 | kendooo | web application needs it, i cant install the application |
| 23:24.34 | kendooo | so i need to setup ftp server with account |
| 23:24.42 | abrotman | kendooo: vsftpd is pretty simple to setup |
| 23:25.07 | kendooo | yes but many guides on google are incomplete |
| 23:25.19 | kendooo | i need something for complete newbis |
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| 23:25.28 | somiaj | lighterapp: you could set up a group that is allowed to run those commands, or do it with sudo and configure your sudoers to allow your user to run those commands as root with NOPASS |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | kendooo: vsftpd is *easy* |
| 23:25.47 | abrotman | so is proftpd |
| 23:25.48 | somiaj | lighterapp: another option is to use a display manager like gdm, and use it to shutdown/restart the computer. |
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| 23:26.01 | kendooo | abrotman, can you setup ftp server for me |
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| 23:26.16 | abrotman | kendooo: you sohuld learn to do it yourself in case you need to change things later |
| 23:26.48 | kendooo | man i dont want to be rude, im kinda pissd i been following countless tuts online so far and im still not getting there |
| 23:26.55 | kendooo | thats why im asking here |
| 23:26.59 | thanosdave | I just got a sound card, put it in the machine, I wanna see if it's workin (lsmod I think is showing drivers, looks intelish) |
| 23:27.03 | kendooo | i had enough with the tuts online they are incomplete |
| 23:27.14 | lighterapp | abrotman: as a normal user i can open a terminal and execute /sbin/poweroff and the computer does shutdown but i do not users to mess with the command line |
| 23:27.18 | somiaj | kendooo: after you install a package, say proftpd, you can sometimes find documentation in /usr/share/doc/proftpd (packagename) to help you setup/configure the server, or use google to find some documenation on the software yo uchose. |
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| 23:27.39 | abrotman | lighterapp: i didn't ask you about that .. i asked what groups you were in |
| 23:27.41 | lighterapp | slim is installed, xdm makes my old pentium II box dead slow |
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| 23:32.21 | lighterapp | abrotman, do you mean cat /etc/group|grep username ?? |
| 23:32.32 | abrotman | lighterapp: 'groups' would suffice |
| 23:32.45 | thanosdave | brb gotta reboot |
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| 23:33.37 | lighterapp | lighterapp:x:1000: |
| 23:33.56 | themill | which is not the output of "groups". |
| 23:33.57 | abrotman | that's not the output |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | decides lighterapp doesn't actually want help |
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| 23:34.36 | lighterapp | i want help but do you want me to paste the output of /etc/group on pastebin.com ? |
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| 23:34.50 | abrotman | it's a single line, much like the other one you just pasted |
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| 23:37.01 | somiaj | lighterapp: type 'groups' on the command line |
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| 23:38.18 | lighterapp | the output of groups is: lighterapp cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev |
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| 23:38.50 | somiaj | lighterapp: and that is the list of the groups you are in...which is what abrotman asked. |
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| 23:40.10 | abrotman | lighterapp: does /etc/shutdown.allow only listen to terminal commands? |
| 23:40.19 | boudiccas | how can i get a list of running services like top shows running processes, please? |
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| 23:41.17 | lighterapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.51 | lighterapp | i am running squeeze |
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| 23:44.32 | abrotman | you can create it, see the man page |
| 23:45.29 | somiaj | boudiccas: I guess it depends on if a process registers itself as a service. Though they are also listed in top. But 'service --status-all' will run all the scripts in '/etc/init.d/foo status' to get what their scripts say they are in |
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| 23:45.53 | boudiccas | somiaj: thanks, i'll try that now |
| 23:46.40 | somiaj | if you are only intersted in paticular services, service foo status |
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| 23:47.31 | somiaj | though I think top will be a more accurate and more complete list of what is running. |
| 23:47.38 | somiaj | or ps |
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| 23:48.56 | lighterapp | abrotamn: why do i need /etc/shutdown.allow if /sbin/poweroff is setuid? |
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| 23:51.51 | Dovid | hi all. how do i see my sound card in /dev >? |
| 23:51.51 | boudiccas | how do i get a particular service, ipkungfu, to start at every bootup please? |
| 23:52.16 | boudiccas | this is on wheezy btw |
| 23:52.18 | Dovid | i have: http://pastebin.com/FQhmv54g |
| 23:52.25 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: give it an LSB header, then update-rc.d-insserv ? |
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| 23:53.01 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: LSB header? never heard of that, what is it please? |
| 23:53.33 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: init scripts have a header made of bash comments that has metadata... see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 23:53.46 | boudiccas | ah right, thanks |
| 23:53.56 | Dovid | i am a n00b to Debian |
| 23:55.31 | thewanderer1 | Dovid: why do you assume it would be in /dev? not everything is a file (good example: network interfaces) |
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| 23:56.23 | Dovid | thewanderer1: I am coming from RedHad. I just "assumed". I finally have time to play with my PI |
| 23:56.53 | lighterapp | gotta go. thanks. will try and solve the prob another day |
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| 23:57.23 | thewanderer1 | guys, in XFCE, it is impossible to make two screens display different contents using a GUI configurator, and XFCE will bork your .xinitrc xrandr settings. this is a regression from Squeeze (where the default DE, GNOME would support this)... seeing how XFCE is now going to be default, is this just going to pass into stable? |
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| 23:58.13 | thewanderer1 | Dovid: your sound apps can just use sound in/out without it being in /dev via the ALSA API, or via PulseAudio |
| 23:58.46 | thewanderer1 | most programs that deal strictly with audio will provide controls for selecting the input device (examples: Audacity, Skype) |
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| 23:59.18 | Dovid | thewanderer1: I am working with Asteirsk (#asterisk). I want to get and send audio via My USB sound card |
| 23:59.42 | Dovid | http://pastebin.com/DxsL5DT9 |
