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| 00:00.10 | thewanderer1 | you'll have to configure the program so that it uses the right sound card, then |
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| 00:00.32 | thewanderer1 | in this case, I guess it would be hw1.0 |
| 00:01.03 | Dovid | thewanderer1: Waht is hw1.0 like i said I am a n00b to somethings |
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| 00:01.15 | Dovid | in Centos it connects to /dev/sdp |
| 00:01.18 | Dovid | if thathelps |
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| 00:01.29 | thewanderer1 | Dovid: Asterisk should provide you with a config option that selects the audio device to use |
| 00:01.42 | Dovid | thewanderer1: It does but throws errors ;) |
| 00:02.01 | Dovid | http://pastebin.com/ja5JdgCC |
| 00:02.06 | Dovid | thats where i got the /dev/sdp from |
| 00:03.05 | thewanderer1 | Dovid: stop using pastebin.com (paste.debian.net is fine)... also, do use ALSA instead of OSS for asterisk. this looks relevant: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+config+alsa.conf |
| 00:03.42 | Dovid | thewanderer1: Thanks. I am looking at it |
| 00:04.26 | thewanderer1 | anyway, gotta go. hope you can figure it out! (there's still others in the channel, anyway) |
| 00:04.31 | Dovid | thewanderer1: and where did you see the hw1.0. i have no idea what it is. trying to learn |
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| 00:07.10 | thewanderer1 | actually, it'd be hw:1,0 I think. read about ALSA device names, not sure where I initially found that... |
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| 01:05.17 | thomaschaaf | Hello how do I recreate the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ? I deleted it because I want to reset it but it did not regenerate |
| 01:05.30 | thomaschaaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.57 | abrotman | easiest way? reboot |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | maybe /etc/init.d/udev restart |
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| 01:08.04 | thomaschaaf | both don't work :( |
| 01:08.08 | abrotman | reboot works |
| 01:08.16 | thomaschaaf | I just tried |
| 01:08.18 | abrotman | or you've done something to your box you shuoldn't have |
| 01:08.23 | thomaschaaf | the file still does not exist |
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| 01:27.06 | buu | Hey, quick apt question, I'm on debian squeeze, I run: sudo apt-get install libmp3lame-dev; and I get this output: "libmp3lame-dev : Depends: libmp3lame0 (= 3.98.4-0.0) but 3.98.4+repack2-3~bpo60+1 is to be installed". The package libmp3lame0 3.98.4+repack2-3 is already installed, any ideas? |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | tried aptitude? |
| 01:29.01 | buu | abrotman: Interesting, I think that helped. |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | make sure you pay attention to what it's removing |
| 01:30.07 | buu | It's removing.. stuff! |
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| 01:31.43 | tintin | How can i type Spanish characters from keyboard? |
| 01:31.46 | tintin | Á |
| 01:31.57 | tintin | How can i type Spanish characters from keyboard? |
| 01:31.58 | tintin | Á |
| 01:32.20 | abrotman | buu: did you make sure it wasn't removing things oyu wanted ? |
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| 01:34.11 | buu | abrotman: Nope! |
| 01:34.36 | buu | "Aptitude installed without checking what it was removing #yolo" |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:36.00 | buu | It was just removing some avcodec packages |
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| 01:57.01 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:57.04 | dvs | looks at his belly button |
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| 02:06.18 | jpinx | having trouble with making/setup/mounting a loop device - what am I missing here? http://paste.debian.net/189756/ |
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| 02:07.36 | abrotman | ntfs or ntfs-3g ? |
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| 02:08.45 | jpinx | abrotman: I tried -t for both - still errors out |
| 02:09.34 | jeep | without specifying a type ? errors asking for type ?\ |
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| 02:10.37 | Mayou | how come there's no live image for 6.0.5 |
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| 02:37.48 | Mayou | how come debian doesn't use ext4 |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | it can |
| 02:38.58 | Mayou | although ext3 is enough for me. since I only have one 3TB drive. just wondering. |
| 02:39.21 | abrotman | not sure if that's changing in wheezy |
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| 02:42.03 | Mayou | does anyone use arch? someone told me he didn't update his arch box for 3 weeks and then it was so obsolete that he couldn't update it anymore |
| 02:42.27 | abrotman | there's a #archlinux |
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| 03:01.44 | grothendieck | lol archlinux |
| 03:02.26 | grothendieck | the only good source-based operating systems are freebsd and gentoo |
| 03:02.52 | grothendieck | I see no compelling reason to use archlinux |
| 03:04.03 | grothendieck | also if you do partitioning manually in the debian installer, you can pick ext4 even in squeeze |
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| 03:04.36 | grothendieck | ext3 will probably remain default for a while though |
| 03:05.14 | grothendieck | if you want ext4 by default, there is another popular linux distro that you can use |
| 03:08.18 | abrotman | you just change it during install, it's not rocket science |
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| 03:10.06 | peterrooney | Mayou: ext4 has known situations where data loss can be expected. |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | mostly involving rockets and magnets |
| 03:11.31 | grothendieck | and data recovery cannot be performed as usual |
| 03:11.50 | grothendieck | unless things have changed, testdisk/photorec don't work on ext4 |
| 03:12.00 | grothendieck | or at least don't work as usual |
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| 04:20.46 | riex | Hello, can somebody tell me a fix, for this error i am getting when i am trying to install pear DB. Check: http://pastebin.com/abfN4e01 :-) |
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| 04:33.35 | TriJetScud | hey is it possible to use debootstrap using the ISO as the mirror? |
| 04:33.58 | TriJetScud | oh never mind |
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| 04:34.17 | TriJetScud | found it.. silly me, forgot the file:// uri |
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| 05:09.54 | osubuckeye__ | anyone familiar with the package amd64-microcode? |
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| 05:11.08 | mmnicolas | !ask |
| 05:11.09 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 05:11.44 | osubuckeye__ | well i stumbled apon it while browsing packages, and i was wondering if it would be beneficial to have? |
| 05:11.54 | osubuckeye__ | i have a dual core amd processor |
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| 05:12.39 | mmnicolas | I have it installed, did not notice anything, probably not bad to have an updated microcode |
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| 05:13.22 | mmnicolas | it's not like it's permanent, the update has to be re-applied every boot |
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| 05:38.01 | k-man | is there anything I should be careful of before changing my server's timezone? I want to change its timezone to match my own timezone |
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| 05:43.19 | gnarface | k-man: it seems safe to me but i can't be sure because i don't know what software you're running. the only thing i can think to tell you is that it is customary to store the time in the system bios as UTC |
| 05:43.41 | gnarface | k-man: (as opposed to matching the system bios to the local time) |
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| 06:46.48 | Moebius | i've got a little problem with PA. It seems that there's some limit to max volume, so when i try to raise it up a little bit it gets automatically shut off (0 volume) and i have to raise it up again |
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| 07:01.42 | k-man | gnarface, yeah, thanks |
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| 07:11.35 | nunnsby | hey all, question, where can I get the latest copy of Debian "unstable" on cd? need to install it on a VM Vsphere setup but debian 6.0.5 doesn't support the vmxnet3 driver? and no, I can't add it after the install of 6.0.5 via usb. It's all virtual |
| 07:11.58 | Sevet | do you mean testing (wheezy)? |
| 07:11.59 | nunnsby | as apparently the driver is in the latest weekely/unstable release |
| 07:12.04 | nunnsby | the alternative is ubuntu |
| 07:12.15 | nunnsby | yeah, that would be right |
| 07:12.29 | nunnsby | or, what is the best way of getting this thing to work |
| 07:12.45 | nunnsby | preferably I would liek to stay with stable, but can't get the nic working |
| 07:12.49 | nunnsby | chicken and egg story |
| 07:12.51 | nunnsby | lol |
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| 07:13.14 | nunnsby | is netinstall latest drivers? |
| 07:13.23 | nunnsby | or will it have same issue? |
| 07:13.34 | Sevet | either install squeeze and distupgrade to wheezy, or beta2 of the debian-installer for wheezy http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 07:14.36 | Sevet | if it can't see the nic within the squeeze installer though netinstall would likely have the same issue (they use the same kernel in the installer, just have fewer packages on the disk) |
| 07:14.52 | Sevet | so i'd try the beta2 wheezy d-i |
| 07:14.58 | nunnsby | yeah, though apparently 4 and 5 support it |
| 07:16.44 | nunnsby | could it be that it was back-ported before 6 went stable? |
| 07:16.44 | nunnsby | where can I get a copy of 5 then on cd? |
| 07:16.44 | nunnsby | can;t find a mirror hosting it anywhere |
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| 07:17.12 | Sevet | archive.debian.org, but lenny is end of life |
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| 07:17.50 | Sevet | ah, that's just packages |
| 07:17.51 | Sevet | !tell nunnsby about lenny iso |
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| 07:20.00 | franco00 | hello. I am trying to ssh into my debian machine via wifi (as in: the debian machine is /not/ connected to the internet, has a wifi/3g modem though). I know how to ssh when a machine is connected to the internet (and it works), but I don't know how to do it without a connection (or even it if is possible). |
| 07:20.25 | franco00 | Can somebody point me to the appropriate resources, please? |
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| 07:20.38 | ectospasm | franco00: well, it has to have some kind of network connection for an external device to connect to it via SSH |
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| 07:20.48 | ectospasm | ...even if it's just a LAN connection |
| 07:20.55 | nunnsby | sweet, tx Sevet, I'll give that a go. At least once I have it up I can do a full dist upgrade. bit of a mission, but how it will have to work until the driver is in |
| 07:21.16 | jeep | nunnsby: use the testing installer then edit your sources.list |
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| 07:21.54 | nunnsby | There is a workaround I know of and that is to create a custom vm when doing the install on VSphere, but unfotunately I don't have the luxury of controlling the box |
| 07:22.08 | nunnsby | that way you can create a NE1000 driver, etc |
| 07:22.47 | ectospasm | can't you just emulate a different model NIC? |
| 07:23.03 | ectospasm | ...or can't the host controller change that for you? |
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| 07:23.41 | Sevet | franco00: connect to its lan ip address |
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| 07:24.10 | Xezes | hi everyone, i need help on choosing which debian I need? I'm downloading it from a torrent, but I'm not sure which torrent do I need |
| 07:24.26 | Sevet | you won't be able to ssh to it unless it's already joined the wifi network though |
| 07:24.36 | Sevet | Xezes: squeeze netinstall |
| 07:24.44 | alpre | Xezes: depends on what do you want |
| 07:24.54 | ectospasm | Xezes: unless you're doing an install without the luxury of an Internet connection, go with the netinst |
| 07:25.05 | Xezes | I want to install it on a vmware virtual host, so I can test and experiment |
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| 07:25.14 | Sevet | netinstall is the smallest download and the installer downloads the remaining packages it needs when you install (only the ones it needs) |
| 07:25.35 | alpre | Xezes: maybe use CD1, so you can reinstall fast if you want |
| 07:25.36 | Sevet | if you're going to install on lots of machines then the CD/DVD images might be better, but you probably only need the 1st |
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| 07:26.17 | alpre | DVD1 is like CD1, but with other languages besides english I think? |
| 07:26.23 | Xezes | amd64armelkfreebsd-i386kfreebsd-amd64i386ia64mipsmipselpowerpcsparcs390sourcemulti-arch |
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| 07:26.34 | Xezes | this is what confuses me |
| 07:26.40 | Xezes | which one do i need ? |
| 07:26.49 | ectospasm | Xezes: what CPU arch will your guest be emulating? |
| 07:26.58 | alpre | Xezes: virtual host needs i386 or amd64 |
| 07:27.13 | alpre | Xezes: 64bit or 32bit |
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| 07:27.28 | Xezes | the CPU is Pentium ? Dual-Core t4200 |
| 07:27.54 | alpre | Xezes: probably has 64bit support, if you want to test that |
| 07:27.58 | Sevet | go with amd64 |
| 07:28.10 | Xezes | so amd64 ? |
| 07:28.14 | Sevet | alpre: it does |
| 07:28.33 | alpre | 32bit gues might be a little faster, as 64bit needs IO APIC enabled, at least on vbox |
| 07:28.52 | alpre | multicore guest needs it too |
| 07:28.59 | alpre | Sevet: I see :) |
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| 07:29.28 | Xezes | I'm going with amd64, if it doesn't work, i'll try the i386 |
| 07:29.39 | Xezes | thank you guys, you have been very helpful! |
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| 07:32.25 | nunnsby | thanks jeep, busy getting 5.0.10 and the latest wheezy nightly netinstall |
| 07:32.31 | nunnsby | will try both |
| 07:32.33 | nunnsby | cheers |
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| 07:37.54 | franco00 | thanks Sevet and ectospasm , I wouldn't have guessed for it to be so easy! |
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| 07:38.21 | franco00 | (just connected via wifi, got my lan ip, bingo) |
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| 07:41.05 | ectospasm | franco00: no problem |
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| 07:41.32 | ectospasm | franco00: remember, the separation between WAN, LAN, and WLAN doesn't matter much to the computer |
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| 07:42.47 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I will be moving my NFS server from my network and behind a firewall. I would like ot use an unencrypted VPN to be able to access the servers at good speed. Does anyone have suggestions? |
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| 07:45.53 | vz2icarly | hello all how to make netgear rangemax wn111 work in debian lewnny 5.0.9? |
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| 07:53.44 | CQ | hello, RAID question. I have a HD-partition-VG-LV setup, and I want to raid one of the LVs ... I can either do it with a fixed partition (don't like it since I probably can't grow it easily then) or with another LV. |
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| 07:54.08 | CQ | or should the setup be HD-partition-raid-LV instead? |
| 07:54.23 | CQ | raid-VG-LV of course |
| 07:54.24 | specing | both are possible |
| 07:54.41 | specing | HD-partition raid is good if you use LUKS |
| 07:54.52 | CQ | I'm using luks |
| 07:54.52 | vz2icarly | anyone got an answer for my wifi adaptor question? |
| 07:54.53 | specing | since you only have to encrypt/decrypt once |
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| 07:55.26 | specing | HDD-part-md_raid-LUKS-vg-lv |
| 07:56.21 | CQ | that would make the most sense, but I'd have to redo partitions again to get there... |
| 07:56.48 | vz2icarly | how to make netgear rangemax nr111 work in debian lenny 5.0.9? |
| 07:58.08 | CQ | vz2icarly: what is it doing? |
| 07:58.08 | specing | CQ: depends on how powerfull the computer is and what the bottleneck is |
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| 07:58.30 | CQ | computer is a few years old and a home server... bottleneck is probably cpu |
| 07:58.39 | vz2icarly | it is nort being detecteed durring setup or at all afer install |
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| 07:59.09 | vz2icarly | i am new to linux and do not want to mess this up |
| 07:59.37 | specing | CQ: well then repart |
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| 08:00.59 | CQ | specing if I can shrink the lvm partition then I have enough space to make the raid partition on that drive |
| 08:02.04 | vz2icarly | CQ any idea of how to fix? |
| 08:02.08 | specing | CQ: wait a second |
| 08:02.12 | CQ | vz2icarly: I'm not the expert for that sort of thing, but look at the lsusb output and see if it shows up there |
| 08:02.25 | specing | CQ: what is the point of RAID if you have both partitions on the same drive? |
| 08:03.08 | CQ | specing: no :) I have one large VG with several LVs on it, and I need to move 2 of the LVs out of that group onto the raided partition |
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| 08:03.33 | CQ | thats 750GB which is the size if another drive I have (2nd part of the raid1) |
| 08:04.28 | CQ | but right now the large VG fills the whole drive |
| 08:06.20 | nunnsby | hey all, any virtual packages for debian for lamp stack? like they have in ubuntu? |
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| 08:06.31 | nunnsby | server this is, no desktop |
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| 08:06.55 | nunnsby | or is it all manual install of packages? |
| 08:07.19 | nunnsby | apache,php,mysql, etc |
| 08:07.32 | CQ | nunnsby apt-cache search lamp ? |
| 08:07.45 | nunnsby | please don;t tell me it is that easy |
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| 08:08.21 | nunnsby | nope, not on mys system, but I am running a turnkey core install. probably why |
| 08:09.06 | CQ | no, it's not that easy, I don't see it either. but if you install debian, you have most of the packages anyway. |
| 08:09.13 | sonnie | hi, i made some mistake on my local OS and grub reports error 15. now i boot into a live debian. how to solve that problem? |
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| 08:10.37 | nunnsby | no, appears not. I'll do manual's for them all. Or maybe install the turnkey web stack |
| 08:10.38 | nunnsby | lol |
| 08:11.27 | specing | nunnsby: Its not that hard to install it |
| 08:11.59 | Mayou | installing squeeze |
| 08:12.19 | CQ | sonnie: mount the partition where you installed debian somewhere on your live system, cd into teh dir, chroot, then run grub-install and grub-update and see if that fixes it |
| 08:12.19 | nunnsby | I know ... just being lazy I guess. also, appears the turnkey install has the driver the vmxnet3 card for vsphere 5 which I require by default, so makes my life easier that way |
| 08:12.20 | nunnsby | :) |
| 08:12.52 | specing | CQ: that is not going to work |
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| 08:13.47 | CQ | specing: why not? what am I missinge? |
| 08:13.57 | specing | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:14.05 | Phase | ... |
| 08:14.40 | CQ | right, mount --bind /dev /mnt/yourmountdir/dev |
| 08:14.47 | CQ | before chrooting |
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| 08:15.23 | JanSch | hi, I have debian squeeze, which unfortunately contains an outdated and broken package for osmosis. what is the clean way to install a more current version? |
| 08:16.13 | alpre | JanSch: compile it, or try backport |
| 08:16.33 | alpre | would be cleanest, or try apt pinning |
| 08:16.46 | nkuttler | !tell JanSch about backports |
| 08:16.49 | ectospasm | dpkg, tell JanSch about backports |
| 08:16.56 | sonnie | grub-update? |
| 08:19.29 | CQ | sorry, update-grub ; ) |
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| 08:19.49 | CQ | updates the /boot/grub/* files |
| 08:20.07 | sonnie | grub-mkconfig for grub2 ? |
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| 08:21.29 | CQ | sonnie- sorry, that's all I had to do when I migrated my system from one partition to another... else ask in #grub? |
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| 08:32.35 | Iridos | judd, versions osmosis |
| 08:32.36 | judd | Package: osmosis on i386 -- squeeze: 0.34+ds1-1; sid: 0.40.1+ds1-7; wheezy: 0.40.1+ds1-7 |
| 08:32.55 | sonnie | CQ: bad luck. no error met during grub-install and update-grub. still met error 15. |
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| 08:34.42 | CQ | sonnie: strange. run gparted and look at the partitions, check /etc/fstab to see if the root partition is correct... can't really think of anything else |
| 08:34.45 | Mayou | epiphany or iceweasal? |
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| 08:44.14 | mtrd`w | Hello! I've got a little problem while running ssh! Here is the output of "ssh -vX user@omega" : http://pastebin.com/8GHSka75 It seems to crash everytime, before i can enter my password, or after i'm logged, but it crashes rapidly everytime. Any ideas to fix that ? |
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| 08:50.43 | CQ | mtrd`w: try in #openssh ? |
| 08:51.11 | mtrd`w | CQ: thank you, i'll check that out |
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| 08:57.01 | DelphiWorld | hello guys |
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| 08:57.11 | DelphiWorld | i have a debian machine doing multicast |
| 08:57.36 | DelphiWorld | i want multicast traffic to go out through a specific device, any clue what to do ? |
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| 08:59.34 | p00d73 | Hi, I have a problem with one specific account, when I try to login, a prompt asks "Enter the Host and Port you want to connect to", but whatever I enter, it goes back to the login screen. All the other accounts are unaffected. I didn't install anything around the period when it started. What could this be? |
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| 09:00.29 | CQ | p00d73 look at the shell listed in /etc/passwd and compare it with the others. Then ask yourself if your computer got hacked... |
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| 09:01.43 | CQ | DelphiWorld: try in #networking |
| 09:01.52 | DelphiWorld | cq, lol |
| 09:02.03 | redguy | hi, anyone knows where from dget is getting public keys used to verify source packages? |
| 09:02.23 | p00d73 | Thanks CQ |
| 09:02.56 | DelphiWorld | see ya cq there ! |
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| 09:03.50 | themill | redguy: dget uses dscverify for this; the dscverify man page tells all |
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| 09:04.41 | bool | so... (running wheezy) apt-get install default-jre installs openjdk-6-jre, but openjdk-7-jre is in the repository. why isnt 7 installed instead? |
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| 09:05.05 | themill | bool: because openjdk-7 is not the default jdk |
| 09:05.20 | bool | why not? |
| 09:05.42 | themill | because to change the default jdk is a lot of work and we were not ready to do that before wheezy froze. |
| 09:05.51 | bool | ahh |
| 09:06.09 | bool | but i should stick with default-jdk right? |
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| 09:09.39 | themill | bool: There are few problems with openjdk-7 from the jre side; there was lots of work to do from the package building side to switch jdk. |
| 09:10.01 | themill | bool: in practice, you could have them both installed and use 7 for most thing and 6 for the bits that need it, if you wanted. |
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| 09:10.58 | bool | k :) thanks. just going for the default i guess. it will automatically upgade to 7 when debian is ready :) |
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| 09:11.59 | themill | that's a change that will presumably happen in jessie some time in 2013 (and then we can do it again for openjdk-8...) |
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| 09:16.25 | thewanderer1 | hi. when I use volume up, PulseAudio bumps up my PCM setting to 100, which results in choppy audio (optimal setting for my sound card is 77). how can I force it not to manipulate PCM, and only control the master channel? (this is Wheezy) |
| 09:17.17 | themill | thewanderer1: volume up buttons on your keyboard in gnome or kde or something? |
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| 09:19.45 | thewanderer1 | themill, this is what XF86VolumeUp does, according to lxde-rc: <command>amixer sset Master 5%+</command> |
| 09:20.41 | thewanderer1 | however, this also seems to manipulate PCM |
| 09:22.59 | thewanderer1 | (if I run it standalone, without pressing the hotkey, it also results in increased PCM value) |
| 09:23.10 | Iridos | err |
| 09:23.26 | Iridos | check which levels actually change.. |
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| 09:23.42 | Iridos | I think what it thinks is "master" isn't always straight-forward |
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| 09:25.03 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, no matter what I do, PCM is set to one of {98,99,100} at *every* volume change (no matter positive or negative) |
| 09:25.31 | Iridos | heh |
| 09:25.43 | Iridos | sounds like fun |
| 09:25.55 | Iridos | I think it's a karma-thing because you started using pulse :P |
| 09:26.09 | thewanderer1 | hey, I needed it so that I can use my DisplayPort audio out :P |
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| 09:26.52 | Iridos | actually sounds like you have saved "100" somewhere and it gets restored everytime you make a volume-change |
| 09:26.58 | thewanderer1 | this says I can hack PA config to only control a particular ALSA item... but do I want to? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9184651 |
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| 09:27.18 | bool | is it safe to remove all packages reported by deborphan or is there a better way to do this? |
| 09:28.09 | Iridos | since lenny or so, packages get a flag if they're installed as a dependency or not |
| 09:28.58 | thewanderer1 | okay, apparently, there is no place in pavucontrol to set PCM value... |
| 09:29.26 | CQ | bool I wouldn't ... there are a few things there that I need. apt-get autoremove I do regularly though |
| 09:29.29 | thewanderer1 | this wouldn't be an issue if modern sound cards actually worked fine with PCM=100%! :P |
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| 09:30.42 | CQ | on that note, is it a good idea to do a fresh install every few years or so to clear out old stuff and get all config files as up to date as possible? |
| 09:30.56 | bool | CQ, the reason i am asking is that if i install a metapackage (or virtual package?) it often installs a bunch of packages. then when i remove the metapackage, it does not remove all the packages it installed, only the metapackage. |
| 09:31.24 | bool | CQ, well, i do, just because it makes me feel better ;) |
| 09:31.26 | CQ | bool: if you don't have a disk space problem, ignore the issue... |
| 09:31.58 | bool | i like cleaning up |
| 09:32.03 | bool | feels better |
| 09:32.17 | CQ | bool: so save the list, remove them all, see if anything breaks, reinstall, rinse, repeat ... |
| 09:33.15 | bool | yeah |
| 09:34.15 | Iridos | thewanderer1, google says you can have something like "load-module module-alsa-sink control = PCM" in /etc/pulse/default.pa |
| 09:34.29 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, PCM is precisely what I don't want PA to control :[ |
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| 09:35.01 | Iridos | thewanderer1, well... I thought PCM is exactly what you WANT to control instead of having it uncontrolled at 100% |
| 09:35.19 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, I want PA to leave it alone... |
| 09:35.40 | thewanderer1 | aha, I thought my control=Master config was not working, but that was just the line being commented :P |
| 09:35.50 | Iridos | CQ, no... where's the fun in this? I had my systems running based on something I installed in 2001 until last year |
| 09:36.30 | Iridos | bool, apt-get doesn't autoremove except if you tell it, aptitude does |
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| 09:36.48 | thewanderer1 | okay, now I know why PA controls PCM. without it, sound will be completely borked at some Master sound levels... O.o |
| 09:37.06 | Iridos | thewanderer1, isn't learning fun? |
| 09:37.46 | thewanderer1 | throws a PCM knob at Iridos, mumbling something about positive reinforcement failures |
| 09:38.36 | Iridos | thewanderer1, what?! |
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| 09:38.40 | bool | Iridos, i see :) |
| 09:38.53 | Iridos | bool, but there's apt-get autoremove |
| 09:39.01 | thewanderer1 | I'll see, perhaps PCM=100 will be livable... |
| 09:39.27 | Iridos | what kind of word is "livable"... did you mean... "lively"? |
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| 09:39.54 | bool | when installing printers... should i install the whole "cups" package, or just some of the packages that the cups meta package depends on? i only use the printer locally and the machine should not act as a print server |
| 09:39.58 | thewanderer1 | Iridos, "Such as is pleasant to live in; fit or suitable to live" :P |
| 09:41.07 | thewanderer1 | bool, you still need CUPS print server, but you can configure it to only handle local jobs |
| 09:41.55 | bool | and that is the default, right? |
| 09:42.02 | thewanderer1 | AFAIK, yes |
| 09:42.19 | bool | k, thanks |
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| 09:47.26 | guardian | hello |
| 09:47.44 | guardian | how to upgrade squeeze to wheezy? is it just a matter of search/replace in sources.list then update then dist-upgrade? |
| 09:47.52 | guardian | or should I pay attention to other things? |
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| 09:48.23 | bool | guardian, remember to remove gnome-do if you are using that |
| 09:48.33 | thewanderer1 | guardian, pretty much what you said, but pay attention to backports - ideally, you should remove all of them before upgrading to Wheezy |
| 09:48.52 | thewanderer1 | also, Wheezy is testing, so expect stuff to break, and desktop regressions to happen in a great multitude :P |
| 09:49.12 | bool | i havent crashed yet |
| 09:49.17 | boudiccas | guardian: make special note of what drivers are needed for your graphicas card and wifi card and network card, write them down as you may have to upgrade them by hand, then change your sources and apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, reboot and pray |
| 09:49.47 | thewanderer1 | also, running the upgrade while GNOME2 or any DE you're upgrading is running is not recommended |
| 09:50.23 | boudiccas | also, maybe try to remove all stuff from debs-multimedia as that may cause problems too |
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| 09:50.58 | guardian | it's a headless box so I don't care much about gnome etc. I want to benefit from clang 3 and it's not in squeeze backports |
| 09:51.14 | thewanderer1 | aha, headless servers are easy, just go fot it |
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| 09:51.37 | thewanderer1 | (unless, you know, you care about stability and lack of bugs) |
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| 09:54.18 | guardian | I configured my apt preferences to be able to install packages from testing occasionally. aptitude versions clang shows 3.0-6 with a priority of −10 |
| 09:54.43 | bool | use "wheezy" instead of "testing" |
| 09:54.45 | guardian | but when I try to install it, it complains about libstdc++ version and I bet upgrading it clashes with lots of other packages |
| 09:55.23 | thewanderer1 | ,checkbackport clang |
| 09:55.38 | judd | Backporting package clang in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: llvm-3.1-dev (>= 3.1), llvm-3.1-source (>= 3.1), gcc-4.6, g++-4.6. |
| 09:55.46 | themill | (the longer judd takes, the less likely it is to be successful) |
| 09:55.48 | guardian | and since clang has a requirement on libstdc++ >= 4.6 while squeeze uses 4.4.5-8, is there a chance I build clang myself on squeeze? |
| 09:56.03 | themill | guardian: mixing stable and testing gets progressively harder as development on testing continues. Don't be surprised if you get to situations where you just can't do it any more. |
| 09:56.13 | guardian | so yeah it looks like backporting leads me into troubles as well :) |
| 09:56.23 | thewanderer1 | guardian, you'd end up doing a partial upgrade to wheezy, anyway. my advice is, either get a chroot for clang specifically, or go full wheezy. |
| 09:56.24 | themill | guardian: mixing stable and testing is never a very good plan |
| 09:56.33 | guardian | themill: yeah I know, but I badly wanted vim 7.3 :) |
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| 09:56.56 | themill | dpkg, pal guardian |
| 09:56.57 | dpkg | points at guardian and laughs hysterically |
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| 09:58.27 | guardian | relative numbering in vim is a serious need :p it justifies a squeeze backport imho |
| 09:58.53 | thewanderer1 | you could've made that backport yourself |
| 09:59.21 | guardian | yeah that's true |
| 09:59.21 | thewanderer1 | at least, it *should* be simpler than clang :P |
| 09:59.38 | guardian | yeah exactly for clang I'll just upgrade the box to wheezy |
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| 10:00.24 | guardian | so the result of ,checkbackport clang basically says it's all uphill because of the gcc 4.6 dependency? |
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| 10:01.07 | Carlitos___ | hi all, something strange happen now ? please any help, I try to use some commands like vim give me an error bash: /usr/bin/nano: Input/output error |
| 10:01.15 | thewanderer1 | guardian, yes, and you don't want to be backporting that |
| 10:01.26 | guardian | can someone please give me that bot command again? that gives instructions on how to backport a package |
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| 10:01.37 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, did you pull your disk out of the machine? |
| 10:01.48 | thewanderer1 | !tell guardian about ssb |
| 10:02.17 | Carlitos___ | thewanderer1: no, i did not touch nothing, but this is strange |
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| 10:02.27 | Carlitos___ | the disk is failing ? |
| 10:02.46 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, which commands exactly don't work? what does 'smartctl -H /dev/sda' (replace sda with your drive name) say? |
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| 10:03.59 | Carlitos___ | thewanderer1: command not found , I can not install either |
| 10:04.21 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, you can not install why? |
| 10:04.56 | Carlitos___ | for example ls, dmesg , works but another ones bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: Input/output error |
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| 10:05.16 | thewanderer1 | have you got a liveCD? you'll need it for disk diagnostics... |
| 10:05.53 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, also, paste your dmesg to paste.debian.net |
| 10:06.02 | guardian | thewanderer1: I read what dpkg said me about ssb. it says Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!) — why not a deb-src line for wheezy? |
| 10:06.24 | thewanderer1 | guardian, because it assumes you want to backport from sid... but you can use a wheezy line just fine :P |
| 10:06.48 | thewanderer1 | (still, if upgrading to wheezy anyway, a backport is a moot point) |
| 10:06.59 | Carlitos___ | no, I havent |
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| 10:07.42 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, okay,paste your dmesg contents to paste.debian.net... |
| 10:07.44 | guardian | !tell guardian about bdo |
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| 10:08.28 | Carlitos___ | thewanderer1: http://pastebin.com/fGEA2WkD |
| 10:08.52 | boudiccas | Carlitos___: thats not paste.debian.net! |
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| 10:09.20 | Carlitos___ | sorry |
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| 10:10.07 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, the situation is not good, your drive may be failing (is it WD? I see some similar reports on the Web...) |
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| 10:11.12 | Carlitos___ | sorry what is wd? |
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| 10:11.25 | boudiccas | western digital |
| 10:12.13 | guardian | thank you all for caring, launched the dist upgrade to wheezy. looked like less hairy than backporting clang 3.0-6 and its dependencies |
| 10:12.25 | n1md4 | can anyone suggest a pcmcia 16-bit ethernet card? |
| 10:12.43 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, could also be a problem with an NVIDIA chipset - those are known to cause HDD problems... anyway, data loss is certain at this point |
| 10:12.44 | Carlitos___ | no is seagate |
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| 10:13.28 | Carlitos___ | thewanderer1: what Can I Do? |
| 10:13.37 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, have backups... |
| 10:13.42 | Carlitos___ | it is ok |
| 10:13.55 | Carlitos___ | I have only one problem |
| 10:14.07 | Carlitos___ | my concern is mysql data |
| 10:14.09 | boudiccas | Carlitos___: backup to a known good medium, usb external harddrive? and then get a new hard drive and reinstall |
| 10:14.35 | Carlitos___ | I can not get mysqldump properly , I try to copy /var/lib7mysql but I can not either |
| 10:14.37 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, this *could* be a temporary failure (see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=625922 ), but assume the worst |
| 10:15.21 | D4rKr0W | does anyone know of any vnc repeater compatible with debian? |
| 10:16.26 | thewanderer1 | D4rKr0W, and a "VNC repeater" is? |
| 10:16.45 | D4rKr0W | thewanderer1: this http://www.uvnc.com/products/uvnc-repeater.html |
| 10:16.57 | Carlitos___ | uvnc |
| 10:17.38 | boudiccas | Carlitos___: what version of debian are your unning? |
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| 10:17.53 | boudiccas | you running |
| 10:17.55 | Carlitos___ | squeeze |
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| 10:18.01 | Carlitos___ | 6.0.5 |
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| 10:18.27 | Carlitos___ | I have 3 disk, and nvidia setting |
| 10:18.52 | thewanderer1 | "NVIDIA setting" = NVIDIA chipset? |
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| 10:21.39 | Carlitos___ | thewanderer1: the video card GeForce graphics |
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| 10:22.02 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, what does `lspci` say? |
| 10:23.01 | Carlitos___ | bash: /usr/bin/lspci: Input/output error |
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| 10:24.01 | Carlitos___ | thewanderer1: fsck help something ? |
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| 10:24.34 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, not at this point, no. reboot is pretty much all you can do... and hope your data is still there |
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| 10:25.19 | Carlitos___ | thewanderer1: yes, I rebooted, many times, data still there but then crash system |
| 10:25.34 | mrtnt_ | Is it fine to install Debian to first HDD, then add another later with same size and create RAID1 setup? |
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| 10:26.07 | ChrisH | mrtnt_: better to setup Raid 1 with a missing disk from installer... its mich easier |
| 10:26.16 | smj | what is TERM environment variable, and why does the Internet recommend xterm-256color for enabling the 256 colors? |
| 10:26.32 | smj | if I want to use Konsole, connect to a server with SSH, and resume a Screen session, should I use konsole-256color or screen-256color? |
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| 10:26.47 | Carlitos___ | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/189794/ |
| 10:26.49 | thewanderer1 | Carlitos___, look at the bug report I linked to above - you may find something in common with it (disk model? chipset?) |
| 10:27.03 | mrtnt_ | ChrisH: you mean it's easier to set up RAID1 directly during the installation? |
| 10:27.04 | ChrisH | smj: seems like you found an Apple-centric internet :) xterm-color in call versions tends to be nasty |
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| 10:27.40 | smj | oh, how so? |
| 10:27.44 | Sevet | mrtnt_: if it's a new install, would be easiest to create / on a raid1 software raid device right at the start with only 1 drive in the array and add the new drive to the existing array later |
| 10:27.52 | ChrisH | mrtnt_: YES. much easier. Even if you only have one disk for a Mirror. I did this with my office desktop |
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| 10:28.21 | Sevet | otherwise you have to make lots of changes to change booting / from sdaN to mdN |
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| 10:28.56 | ChrisH | smj: I prefer vt100 or vt220 but xterm was in previous days a source of trouble. |
| 10:29.25 | Sevet | mrtnt_: also in theory you could add the new drive to the array without even needing to reboot |
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| 10:31.05 | mrtnt_ | ChrisH, Sevet ok, I see. The problem is, that my new drive is ordered, but it will arrive during the next week. However, as I understand, it's totally possible to add second drive later and form RAID1 setup then? |
| 10:31.59 | Carlitos___ | how can I know which disk is not working properly ? |
| 10:32.55 | ChrisH | mrtnt_: yes... let me pastbin my mdstat outot http://paste.debian.net/189795/ |
| 10:33.55 | ChrisH | Carlitos___: I did not get all... last time I had a Raid5 wirh one suspicous disk, atop helpt to identify the bad one.... it was much slower then the others |
| 10:36.13 | mrtnt_ | ChrisH: ok, thanks! |
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| 10:38.13 | ChrisH | mrtnt_: during installation you can setup raid 1 with 2 devices and 1 missing... that's the trick. If the new disk arrives, poweroff the box; add the disk and manually finish the setup. Do you plan to use GPT label? |
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| 10:46.17 | bool | when is trim actually doing its work? i remember reading something about windows did it when staying at the logon-screen |
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| 10:47.19 | kurtcocaine | I install grub after windows7 ,windows7 was picked up during install now there is no win7 entry in grub |
| 10:47.21 | kurtcocaine | what do i do |
| 10:47.33 | abrotman | install os-prober |
| 10:47.35 | kurtcocaine | tried update-grub |
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| 10:47.56 | kurtcocaine | abrotman: then I would've installed gentoo |
| 10:48.01 | kurtcocaine | but my netbook is full of shit |
| 10:48.19 | abrotman | .... |
| 10:48.27 | abrotman | ok, good luck |
| 10:48.47 | ChrisH | hand over a sheet to clean it |
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| 10:49.33 | bool | then clean it |
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| 10:54.19 | CQ | kurtcocaine: install-grub before update-grub ? |
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| 10:54.48 | CQ | err, grub-install before update-grub I mean |
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| 10:56.17 | lighterapp | can anyone actually running icewm on debian (squeeze) recommend me a light app to lock my X session? |
| 10:56.44 | kurtcocaine | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html#mozTocId722095 |
| 10:56.46 | CQ | lighterapp: just unplug the screen and keyboard... |
| 10:56.53 | kurtcocaine | CQ: ^\ |
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| 10:57.45 | kurtcocaine | lighterapp: ask in #gentoo they will know |
| 10:57.52 | babilen | lighterapp: slock, i3lock and xlock come to mind |
| 10:58.07 | kurtcocaine | this question isn't really debian specific so you can ask in #gentoo |
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| 10:58.21 | boudiccas | lightaslock, i think its in something *-utilities but i cant remember what the * is. have a look in synatic ans search for slock |
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| 10:58.37 | babilen | lighterapp: slock is part of the suckless tool collection |
| 10:58.49 | boudiccas | thats it suckless |
| 10:58.55 | lighterapp | babilen, are YOU actually running icewm on debian (squeeze) ? xlock is no longer to be found on the squeeze repo |
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| 10:59.18 | boudiccas | i use slock on XFCE in wheezy, works well |
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| 10:59.49 | CQ | chrish how does sw raid work on the root partition? separate boot partition to boot and load the kernel, then mount the raided rest? |
| 10:59.52 | babilen | ,info xlockmore |
| 10:59.54 | judd | No package named 'xlockmore' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 10:59.58 | babilen | ,v xlockmore |
| 10:59.59 | judd | Package: xlockmore on i386 -- sid: 1:5.31-1.1 |
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| 11:00.39 | babilen | lighterapp: Ah, well. I was thinking of ^^^, but I have personally only used slock and it works well. (quite basic/slim though) |
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| 11:02.01 | ChrisH | CQ more or less, yes. inside initrd the raids get activated, mounted ... /boot is normaly a seperate (mirrored) filesystem.... |
| 11:02.35 | CQ | how can boot be mirrored if the kernel is in there? |
| 11:03.29 | babilen | lighterapp: And no, I am neither using icewm nor squeeze, but that shouldn't be important ;) |
| 11:03.38 | babilen | waves |
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| 11:04.17 | ChrisH | CQ: because grub2 is able to do it. It even works if /boot is inside a mirrored LVM setup. If you are interesed in details I would suggest to start with grub/grub2 docu. I only use it that way :) |
| 11:04.48 | CQ | chrish interesting, I'll read up on that, thanks |
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| 11:06.14 | dabd | hi i am trying to apt-get update an offline machine using apt-get --print-uris update, and then using wget to fetch the files. The resulting files have include Sources.gz, Sources.gz.1, sources.gz.2,etc. What am I supposed to do with these files? |
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| 11:07.10 | themill | dabd: you might want to have a look at the apt-offline documentation that will help you with this. |
| 11:07.15 | themill | dpkg: tell dabd about apt-offline |
| 11:07.50 | Sevet | does that syntax work with dpkg? |
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| 11:12.54 | petn-randall | I think bug #678140 isn't fixed in stable yet. I wanted to mail to that bug report, but it's archived. Should I open a new bug report? |
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| 11:13.54 | dabd | themill: I have tried to use apt-offline and it generates a similar signature file as with apt-get --print-uris update. I just don't know what to do with the downloaded Sources.gz, Sources.gz.1, etc. files. I read they should be placed in /var/lib/apt/lists but I don't know how to decompress Sources.gz.1 Sources.gz.2. Gunzip complains they are not valid files |
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| 11:14.28 | dabd | why do we have sources.gz, sources.gz.1, sources.gz.2? |
| 11:14.34 | dabd | are these multi part gz files? |
| 11:14.39 | dabd | how do you join them? |
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| 11:16.14 | themill | dabd: no, these are several different Sources.gz files from different repositories. If you used the commands in §3.2 of the documentation dpkg just gave you, you would end up with uniquely named files rather than auto-renamed files from wget. (the .1, .2 etc are just wget adding a number to save you clobbering the files) |
| 11:16.54 | themill | dabd: you'll see that the wget commands given in that documentation explicitly set the output filename so that it's unique and is the same as what apt expects to see |
| 11:19.16 | themill | petn-randall: I suspect asking in #debian-security on irc.oftc.net would be a better bet. |
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| 11:30.41 | dabd | themill: are you refering to this documentation http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html#s3.2 |
| 11:30.59 | themill | yes |
| 11:32.45 | themill | dabd: if you run «apt-get -qq --print-uris update | awk '{print "wget -O " $2 " " $1}'» (which is what those commands amount to) then you'll get a pile of wget commands that do not generate Sources.gz at all (you'll get http.my.mirror_debian_dists_...Sources.gz instead) |
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| 11:35.12 | garulf | Hi, maybe a little offtopic. But anyone of you can help me to understand why my svn can't find mhash library in /usr/local/lib/php when try to commits? |
| 11:35.42 | garulf | or why it search there. I don't have even a php dir under /usr/local/lib :S |
| 11:36.08 | Sm0ke0ut | I don't see why SVN needs it at all |
| 11:36.27 | themill | garulf: svn shouldn't be doing anything with php, and nothing in debian will use /usr/local unless you ask it to. Do you have a commit hook? |
| 11:36.28 | Sm0ke0ut | did you modify your SVN hooks ? |
| 11:36.40 | boudiccas | garulf: could you not use a git repo instead of svn, git is more robust than svn |
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| 11:37.33 | themill | boudiccas: eh? |
| 11:38.02 | boudiccas | themill: thats what i've heard, git is more robust and easier to use |
| 11:38.20 | themill | boudiccas: no on both counts |
| 11:38.23 | dabd | themill: I tried it and some files downloaded ok but a few like these http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en.gz failed |
| 11:38.28 | dabd | i got 404 not found |
| 11:38.46 | dabd | all the translation files filed |
| 11:38.47 | boudiccas | themill: fair enough |
| 11:38.57 | dabd | failed* |
| 11:39.02 | themill | dabd: yeah, some of these files will exist as .bz2 instead and apt would normally keep trying different compression types until one worked |
| 11:39.35 | themill | boudiccas: I use both on a daily basis. They're good for different things, but a broken commit hook would break both just as well |
| 11:39.35 | garulf | theborger, themill : yes i already known that git is better, but my team uses svn |
| 11:39.38 | dabd | so what should i do about it? |
| 11:39.56 | garulf | themill: maybe can be a problem of the repository server? |
| 11:39.58 | themill | dabd: either change Translation.*gz to Translation.*bz2 or ignore it |
| 11:40.07 | dabd | ok |
| 11:40.08 | themill | garulf: yeah, have a look at your commit hooks |
| 11:40.11 | dabd | thanks |
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| 11:40.48 | themill | dabd: actually, for squeeze, Translation* is completely ignorable anyway if you're only after English texts |
| 11:40.49 | garulf | themill: where can i find them? or they are on server repositories? |
| 11:41.32 | themill | garulf: on the server, in the "hooks" directory of your repo. |
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| 11:41.47 | garulf | themill: thank you |
| 11:41.51 | themill | garulf: ignore amything that is called "*.tmpl" or isn't executable |
| 11:42.16 | themill | garulf: I'm assuming you've got a "post-commit" script in there for some sort of bug tracker integration that is broken |
| 11:42.44 | garulf | themill: yes, by the way I'm not svn server admin so... yes something like that, or I haven't the correct rights to commit |
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| 11:44.02 | themill | garulf: the hook scripts would generally be readable by anyone who can commit to the repo |
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| 11:45.14 | garulf | themill: but I don't have ssh access |
| 11:45.15 | Brigo | any cgroup user here? |
| 11:45.16 | mrcarrot | I asked this yesterday, but nobody answered: How smooth is squeeze (gnome2) to wheezy (gnome3) going? |
| 11:45.29 | mrcarrot | Is the user profiles needed to be manually changed in some way? |
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| 11:47.01 | themill | garulf: in that case, you'll have to chat with your svn admin. It doesn't sound like a problem with your setup so everyone in your team should be screwed atm |
| 11:47.12 | Brigo | mrcarrot: i didn't try, but i think not. I think you can find a howto upgrade in debian.org |
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| 11:47.33 | prooz | Is there a way to use tail -f and make it only print new lines after the command is issued? |
| 11:48.03 | Brigo | prooz: tail -n 0 -f file |
| 11:48.20 | garulf | themill: thank you.. I'll talk with him. Is possible that they have some kind of user right management that I can checkout but I can't commit? |
| 11:48.31 | prooz | Brigo: Thank you |
| 11:49.12 | themill | garulf: sure. svn doesn't let anyone commit... that would be icky. |
| 11:49.35 | themill | garulf: what sort of URL have you checked out? svn? https? |
| 11:50.44 | garulf | themill: svn |
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| 11:51.25 | mrcarrot | Brigo: At some point I will have to do the transition for seven schools. It is definitely not just a handful of users... Regardless of how I will test it before going to the real servers, I am afraid it will fail in many cases. |
| 11:51.55 | mrcarrot | At this point I am interested in hearing how it has went for people that have been trying to do it |
| 11:52.31 | D4rKr0W | is anyone aware of an opensource support system similar to teamviewer? VNC is ok as a protocol, but the networking issues would require a repeater, which i could not find for debian |
| 11:52.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like you'll have to test it on one machine first anyway... |
| 11:52.55 | themill | garulf: yeah, you can do all manner of validation for an svn url |
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| 11:54.49 | mrcarrot | D4rKr0W: There are a few reverse VNC clients. |
| 11:54.55 | Brigo | mrcarrot: well, you know, it is testing yet. You can spect some bug |
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| 11:59.13 | D4rKr0W | mrcarrot: would you care to elaborate? |
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| 12:01.40 | D4rKr0W | also, a simple reverse connection would not be good cause we have no access to the local firewall device, our isp is really crap |
| 12:04.16 | dabd | themill: the downloaded files seem to be .gz files with no extension should i copy them to /var/lib/apt/lists as is or gunzip them first? |
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| 12:14.38 | romgo | Hello guys, I am currently using squid from debian repo on squeeze. I have arround 0-80 users, and squid process is using arround 3Gb of memory. Seems that they are some memory leak in this version does anyone have the same issue ? |
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| 12:15.54 | petn-randall | themill: I will ask on #debian-security on oftc then, thanks. |
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| 12:18.48 | bool | will booting of debian fail if i set mount options of / to noauto instead of auto? |
| 12:19.02 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 12:19.15 | bool | do mount use mount -a |
| 12:19.16 | bool | ? |
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| 12:19.31 | abrotman | why would you do that? |
| 12:20.26 | bool | i want to only use options that i really need |
| 12:20.34 | abrotman | try it, let us know |
| 12:21.10 | bool | and noauto says it affects the mount -a, but i am not sure if that is what debian uses when it boots |
| 12:21.27 | bool | or if it mounts by some other means |
| 12:21.44 | abrotman | just try it .. |
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| 12:22.28 | bool | well.. maybe not for my root partition :p |
| 12:22.41 | bool | that could be catastrophic |
| 12:22.44 | abrotman | but that's what you asked .. don't chicken out now |
| 12:22.58 | bool | haha |
| 12:23.04 | abrotman | is not amused |
| 12:23.54 | bool | well... another question. if defaults is not set as an option.. will it still be using defaults? |
| 12:24.01 | bool | or only the options specified? |
| 12:24.19 | petn-randall | bool: are you seriously asking that? |
| 12:24.29 | bool | not sure |
| 12:24.31 | diabel | Hello |
| 12:24.43 | petn-randall | bool: If a default wasn't used by default, would it be a default? |
| 12:24.49 | abrotman | bool: sounds like you need a VM that you can take a snapshot and try this stuff .. |
| 12:24.50 | diabel | Is there debian support for Hppa? (HP PA-RISC)? |
| 12:25.14 | bool | then why do some specify the defaults keyword in fstab? if it is used by default anyway... :p |
| 12:25.26 | themill | diabel: not any more |
| 12:25.27 | ahferroin7 | diabel: there used to be, but not anymore |
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| 12:26.09 | petn-randall | bool: Sometimes defaults change, and some people don't like those surprises. Also some defaults are different with other distros, and you just want to be clear about them. |
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| 12:27.01 | bool | i am opting for the explicit way i think |
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| 12:29.01 | petn-randall | bool: It's always the safest bet, unless you don't care about the option and just trust the default will be the best for you. |
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| 12:30.16 | petn-randall | bool: For example, the default journalling mode for ext3 changed from ordered to writeback a while ago. This increased performance, but also increased the risk of data corruption. |
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| 12:31.31 | milligan | Completely debian off topic, but does anyone know how I can create templates for Open Office impress? I want to make a template I can use when creating presentations for my rugby club.. |
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| 12:36.17 | bool | petn-randall, any comments on the user_xattr, data or barrier attributes for ssd drives? |
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| 12:39.39 | petn-randall | bool: data=journal, barrier=1, unless you have regular backups and need the extra few percent performance. |
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| 12:40.48 | petn-randall | bool: If you feel adventurous, btrfs has some features for SSDs, but make sure you have regular backups. |
| 12:40.58 | colock | i need help :| |
| 12:41.20 | colock | how can i find the correct question and answer in squeeze preseeding for configure the keyboard layout _variant_ ? |
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| 12:41.45 | colock | fully automated but this tiny bit that happens in the middle of the intallation (grrr) |
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| 12:42.49 | bool | petn-randall, i am using ext4. what about the user_xattr.. could i gain some performance by disabling it? |
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| 12:43.39 | nevyn | diabel: there certainly was maybe is. |
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| 12:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | colock, isn't it just part of the name? |
| 12:44.38 | colock | CutMeOwnThroat: how so? |
| 12:45.14 | colock | d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select ? d-i keyboard-configuration/layoutcode string ? d-i console-keymaps-at/keymap select ? |
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| 12:45.32 | colock | or maybe d-i keyboard-configuration/variantcode string ? |
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| 12:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, mabbe not |
| 12:45.43 | colock | and what are valid answers? |
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| 12:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | colock, mabbe like http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/01/msg00840.html |
| 12:47.33 | colock | I've tried |
| 12:47.41 | colock | but i don't want Deutschland |
| 12:47.51 | colock | i would like to know what are the valid answers |
| 12:47.53 | colock | where to find them |
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| 12:50.25 | colock | :/ |
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| 12:53.31 | petn-randall | bool: I can't see how that would affect performance |
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| 13:08.10 | bool | petn-randall, i cant find any other sources mentioning that data should be set to journal for ssd. the default is ordered and some ssd guides mention setting this to writeback for better performance (but maybe not as safe). is jounal cosidered safer than ordered? |
| 13:09.31 | petn-randall | bool: safety wise it is journal > ordered > writeback. Performance is exactly the opposite order. |
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| 13:10.30 | petn-randall | bool: I did experiment extensively with those settings a year or two ago, and came to the conclusion that a 1-2% increase in performance doesn't outweigh that you can't trust your data anymore after a crash. |
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| 13:11.25 | bool | i agree, but what about write operations (as are often mentioned when talking about ssd)= |
| 13:11.27 | bool | ? |
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| 13:13.00 | jelly-home | you could disable journal completely if you worry about ssd firmware not being able to cope with frequent small writes to the same place |
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| 13:13.51 | bool | i am just wondering if data=jounal causes more write operations than data=ordered |
| 13:13.58 | bool | i dont want to disable journaling |
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| 13:14.33 | jelly-home | it does. |
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| 13:15.55 | bool | but not by much i guess? |
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| 13:16.53 | jelly-home | bool: man mount says: journal -- All data is committed into the journal prior to being written into the main filesystem. |
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| 13:19.05 | bool | and ordered does it afterwards, so it should be about the same? |
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| 13:20.52 | petn-randall | bool: not quite. But seriously, SSDs can cope very well with small writes, better than spinning platters. It won't be an issue. |
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| 13:22.15 | bool | i guess i can set my /home partition to data=journal atleast. i dont care about the system since that could be reinstalled anyway :p |
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| 13:22.18 | hellyeah | hey |
| 13:22.34 | hellyeah | i have a problem in debian i dunno i can correct in an understandable way |
| 13:22.42 | hellyeah | sometimes letters are messing up |
| 13:22.46 | hellyeah | i cannot read them |
| 13:22.51 | petn-randall | bool: The only reason I could think of where it's worth tinkering with those options is if you have a VM, and you're smoketesting software and you've got a snapshot and you need every bit of performance. |
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| 13:23.45 | bool | the default is ordered.. i am just changing my home partition to journal for better safety. not for better performance |
| 13:23.48 | petn-randall | bool: Other that that, it's simply not worth it going with anything else than the safest option. We're seriously talking about 1-2% performance in real world applications, that's not noticeable on a desktop machine. |
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| 13:24.08 | petn-randall | bool: for ext3. ext4 should have data=journal as default. |
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| 13:24.18 | bool | ext4 has data |
| 13:24.19 | petn-randall | bool: Don't ask me who came up with that idea. |
| 13:24.24 | bool | ordred as default |
| 13:24.38 | hellyeah | it is like piece of meaningless scramble |
| 13:24.42 | colock | trying last possible/logical comibination of variantcode |
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| 13:35.13 | qu-bit | hello, I'm trying to switch from grub to lilo, as I can't get past a blinking cursor on boot with grub. however, liloconfig won't create a conf file for me, erroring out with "it seems you want to configure the base filesystem..." |
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| 13:35.58 | qu-bit | I'm currently chrooted into the new install, but I'm stuck getting the bootloader to work |
| 13:36.10 | qu-bit | which is unpleasant |
| 13:36.16 | jelly-home | qu-bit: are /dev, /proc and /sys mounted inside the chroot? |
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| 13:37.33 | jelly-home | dpkg: ping |
| 13:37.33 | dpkg | Yes, jelly-home, you are online. |
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| 13:41.50 | petn-randall | qu-bit: You should bind mount those three dirs into the chroot before "jumping in". |
| 13:43.45 | qu-bit | petn-randall: they;re mounted, but the error persists |
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| 13:44.31 | qu-bit | besides which, it's a little bewildering that grub wouldn't work |
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| 13:45.31 | qu-bit | but this liloconfig error. " it seems you want to configure the base fliesystem" is perplexing. |
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| 13:50.26 | jelly-home | is that the whole message? |
| 13:51.01 | qu-bit | er, "It seems you want configure the base filesystem and I'm therefore simply going to exit successfully without trying to actually configure LILO properly. " |
| 13:51.22 | qu-bit | jelly-home: doesn't _feel_ successful |
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| 13:55.46 | ChrisH | How do I easiest/best migrate existing users from an existing NIS Master (not a nis slave itself) to its replacment box? |
| 13:56.29 | jelly-home | qu-bit: I bet it doesn't! I'd go with grub-legacy before lilo tho. |
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| 14:00.54 | qu-bit | jelly-home: when I tried to install grub it autoupdated me to grub2 |
| 14:01.12 | jelly-home | qu-bit: did I say grub? I thought I said grub-legacy. |
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| 14:12.58 | petn-randall | qu-bit: What's wrong with grub2? |
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| 14:13.34 | qu-bit | petn-randall: it wouldn't load the kernel. just a blinking cursor. used grub-setup and everything :/ |
| 14:15.09 | petn-randall | qu-bit: IMHO it'll be easier to fix that problem than to go with LILO |
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| 14:15.51 | qu-bit | petn-randall: sure, I can deal with that. of course, I'm stumped with grub, so I figured I may as well be stumped with lilo as well |
| 14:16.30 | simonlnu | you're just going to complicate things instead of fixing it. |
| 14:16.51 | petn-randall | qu-bit: Did it fail loading grub, or did it failing booting the kernel? |
| 14:17.01 | qu-bit | failed booting the kernel |
| 14:17.22 | petn-randall | Then it might not even have to do with grub ... is it a stock kernel or a selfbuilt one? |
| 14:17.25 | qu-bit | simonlnu: I try to have as many half completed things around as I can |
| 14:17.28 | qu-bit | stock kernel |
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| 14:18.10 | petn-randall | qu-bit: Then press shift while grub starts, it should show the grub menu. |
| 14:18.37 | petn-randall | If that doesn't work, you've borked the staging parts of grub, if it works, there's a problem with the kernel |
| 14:18.43 | qu-bit | yeah, I've got to that |
| 14:18.59 | qu-bit | I can edit the config and try different options |
| 14:19.07 | qu-bit | it's booting from uuids, but they seem correct |
| 14:19.20 | petn-randall | qu-bit: try to remove all the options that suppress warnings, like 'quiet' |
| 14:19.27 | qu-bit | personally I'm more comfortable with /dev/ addresses, but that's what it went with |
| 14:19.29 | qu-bit | m |
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| 14:20.02 | petn-randall | qu-bit: if you hand over a wrong rootfs to the kernel, it would rather panic |
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| 14:20.22 | squisher | qu-bit, you can just replace the uuids with /dev in the grub editor |
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| 14:20.28 | petn-randall | qu-bit: in the chrooted system, run 'update-grub' and double check for warnings/errors. |
| 14:20.38 | qu-bit | squisher: tried that, still no luck |
| 14:21.15 | petn-randall | qu-bit: On a sidenote: If your rootfs is marked as dirty, grub will take very long to find the kernel |
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| 14:21.54 | petn-randall | qu-bit: It might appear if the kernel is not booting, since that might take up to > 10 mins to run |
| 14:22.02 | qu-bit | petn-randall: it's a new (to me) drive |
| 14:22.10 | qu-bit | can I clean it without a format? |
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| 14:22.47 | petn-randall | qu-bit: clean means unmounted before shutdown. That may fail on a chrooted system with the bind mounts. |
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| 14:23.17 | qu-bit | I made sure there was nothing mounted before I removed the drive |
| 14:23.21 | petn-randall | boot into a live system and do a 'fsck /dev/<devicename>' to see if it's clean |
| 14:23.30 | qu-bit | I'm going desktop -> laptop |
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| 14:27.05 | qu-bit | petn-randall: the drives are all clean |
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| 14:28.34 | qu-bit | partitions, rather |
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| 14:35.45 | Warpedflash | I am having issues with xorg on debian testing. I have a thin client (well 50) that we are looking to repuroise as web kiosks. Basic system xorg,openbox,alsa,fbpanel and google chrome as flash is included with it. I notised when testing the system that flash runs appalingly and chromes CPU usage shoots up when video is being played. before I rule out 50 machines I want to make sure that the Via Openchrome driver is in fact being |
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| 14:37.20 | jelly-home | Warpedflash: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show details of what the X server loaded |
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| 14:40.56 | thomaschaaf | Does anyone know how to fix the networking on the e1000e? I have tried installing a new driver (intels official driver) but sadly am still constantly seeing network going down and up |
| 14:41.05 | Warpedflash | jelly-home: bah looks like it is loading the driver and its just flash being rubbish. ta! |
| 14:41.51 | dabd | I am trying to install some packages offline, so i downloaded some deb files and placed them in /var/cache/apt/archives when I run apt-get install <the downloaded packages> it still tries to connect to the internet. Shouldn't it install from cache instead? |
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| 14:42.43 | squisher | thomaschaaf, have you tried to compile your own (newer) kernel? |
| 14:43.06 | thomaschaaf | no it was wheezy standard but then I installed linux-headers-amd64 |
| 14:43.10 | squisher | dabd, don't use apt-get for that, use 'dpkg -i foo.deb' |
| 14:43.30 | petn-randall | qu-bit: Try to boot the system with a live CD. I suspect that the kernel doesn't run on that machine in the first place. |
| 14:43.31 | jelly-home | Warpedflash: yeah, flash on linux is quite bad |
| 14:43.47 | cantorun | i have a bluetooth problem can anyone help me please? |
| 14:44.01 | qu-bit | petn-randall: it's a 64-bit binary, but atom processors are 64-bit |
| 14:44.11 | dabd | squisher: then what is the purpose of copying the deb files to /var/cache/apt/archives? I am following the instructions here http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/517 |
| 14:44.22 | qu-bit | plus, no cd-drive |
| 14:44.27 | qu-bit | netbooks, eh |
| 14:44.30 | squisher | thomaschaaf, I'd recommend that - it's fairly easy. Grab the tarball, install kernel-package, copy the current config from /boot to .config in the kernel tree, run make oldconfig, then make-kpkg -rfakeroot kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 14:44.35 | dkr | cantorun: nope; because you didn't say what the problem is. :) |
| 14:44.46 | petn-randall | qu-bit: usb drive then |
| 14:44.47 | Warpedflash | jelly-home: I know just a shame these things are probably going to get chucked now as most student like to use flash. thanks for the help anyway |
| 14:44.57 | qu-bit | no such luck |
| 14:44.59 | qu-bit | just satas |
| 14:45.03 | squisher | dabd, no clue about tuxradar, but I wouldn't copy the deb to /var/cache |
| 14:45.11 | dabd | ok |
| 14:45.19 | thomaschaaf | squisher: I did this: wget -O /opt/e1000e.tar.gz http://downloadmirror.intel.com/15817/eng/e1000e-2.1.4.tar.gz && tar xvfz e1000e.tar.gz && cd e1000*/src/ && make install |
| 14:45.20 | cantorun | dkr : it s simple : not working. here is my outputs : http://forum.debian.org.tr/index.php?topic=5592.new |
| 14:45.48 | squisher | thomaschaaf, that was a good thing to try, but you said it didn't work ;-) Btw have you ruled out faulty hw? |
| 14:46.12 | thomaschaaf | I don't know it seems to be a common problem |
| 14:46.28 | cantorun | dkr: now you know the problem :) |
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| 14:48.12 | squisher | ah ok |
| 14:48.41 | squisher | anyway, newer kernel version is unfortunately my only suggestion. |
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| 14:49.27 | qu-bit | petn-randall: |
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| 14:49.59 | qu-bit | so I just tried grub again, after running setup on the base drive (/dev/sde, in this case) but on boot I wasn't even presented with the menu |
| 14:50.00 | thomaschaaf | squisher: am on 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 14:50.34 | dabd | on the offline machine i am trying: apt-get --print-uris --yes install libonig2 | grep ^\' | cut -d\' -f2 > download.list |
| 14:50.39 | dabd | but i get: E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 14:51.00 | dabd | how can I fix this? Should be some problem in sources.list? |
| 14:51.05 | squisher | thomaschaaf, well, if you want to go through with a newer kernel, newest stable on kernel.org is 3.5.3 |
| 14:51.33 | squisher | I can provide you the steps with a bit more detail - it'll take some time and disk space, but it's not very difficult |
| 14:51.37 | thomaschaaf | Na I don't want a newer kernel 3.2 is already pretty new from debians point of view |
| 14:52.47 | qu-bit | uuids are mountpoint agnostic, right? |
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| 14:53.00 | squisher | qu-bit, yes |
| 14:53.15 | petn-randall | qu-bit: You didn't run update-grub in the chroot, did you? |
| 14:53.22 | squisher | uuids identify a particular filesystem instance |
| 14:53.35 | qu-bit | petn-randall: I just did |
| 14:54.19 | somiaj | dabd: usually issues like that are due to conflicting packages/dependencies of packages already installed. Does 'apt-get -f install' suggest any fix? |
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| 14:54.21 | petn-randall | qu-bit: Is there maybe an other drive with grub on it where you're booting from? |
| 14:54.33 | qu-bit | no, my desktop has syslinux |
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| 14:55.54 | bool | what happens if i assign my /tmp partition to have a maximum of nr_inodes=5k and it reaches this limit? will it use swap space, delete files or give error, system crash? |
| 14:56.01 | dabd | somiaj: so I ran apt-get -f --print-uris --yes install | grep ^\' | cut -d\' -f2 > download.list to get a list of fixes but it comes empty |
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| 14:56.41 | somiaj | dabd: just run apt-get -f install -- see what it says, you can always say 'N' and it won't hurt thigns not being on the internet. |
| 14:56.59 | somiaj | dabd: also what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:57.22 | CQ | dabd: dpkg --configure first? |
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| 14:59.21 | dabd | somiaj: i am running 6.0.5 squeeze |
| 15:01.26 | squisher | dabd, have you tried 'apt-get -sd install ... | ...' ? Maybe that'll work better |
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| 15:02.18 | qu-bit | petn-randall: still a blinking cursor after "loading ramdisk" |
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| 15:04.06 | qu-bit | ran update-grub, detected the kernel fine |
| 15:04.23 | dabd | so apt-get -f install seems to have ran normally |
| 15:04.46 | dabd | now when i try sudo dpkg -i libapache2-mod-php5_5.3.3-7+squeeze14_amd64.deb |
| 15:05.05 | dabd | i get dpkg-deb: `libapache2-mod-php5_5.3.3-7+squeeze14_amd64.deb' is not a debian format archive |
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| 15:11.56 | jelly-home | dabd: bad download? |
| 15:13.44 | squisher | dabd, what does file say about that file? |
| 15:14.50 | jhutchins_wk | qu-bit: Any unusual hardware? RAID, Encryption? |
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| 15:16.42 | qu-bit | nope, standard netbook |
| 15:16.53 | qu-bit | atom intel atheros |
| 15:17.15 | qu-bit | i've never had this much trouble with a bootloader |
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| 15:23.18 | dabd | squisher: file says it is a POSIX tar archive?? |
| 15:23.56 | squisher | dabd, well, that's wrong ;-) Look into it with "tar taf ...deb" and see what it lists |
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| 15:25.08 | dabd | yeah it lists 3 deb files: php5-cgi_5.3.3-7+squeeze14_amd64.deb |
| 15:25.09 | dabd | php5-cli_5.3.3-7+squeeze14_amd64.deb |
| 15:25.09 | dabd | php5-common_5.3.3-7+squeeze14_amd64.deb |
| 15:25.27 | dabd | so installing this deb files should be what i need to run apache with php right? |
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| 15:27.57 | squisher | dabd, you did something wacky there. Extract that in /tmp with tar xaf, then install those debs with dpkg -i |
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| 15:41.14 | r3m | ,v bitlbee |
| 15:41.15 | judd | Package: bitlbee on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1; sid: 3.0.5-1.1; wheezy: 3.0.5-1.1 |
| 15:42.45 | nsadmin | another choice: /msg judd v bitlbee |
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| 15:57.31 | hramrach | hello |
| 15:58.00 | hramrach | what is the status of IPv6 on Debian? |
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| 15:58.09 | nsadmin | I think it works |
| 15:58.30 | nsadmin | I've seen people using debian connect to irc using an ipv6 address |
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| 15:59.13 | hramrach | I have one box that gets IPv6 address and anohter that does not |
| 15:59.45 | nsadmin | what are their kernels? (uname -r on each box) |
| 15:59.46 | hramrach | how do I tell if it's lack of support or some configuration sent from dhcp server or anything else? |
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| 16:00.18 | hramrach | 3.2.0-3-amd64 3.1.0-1-amd64 |
| 16:00.46 | nsadmin | ok, what's their cat /etc/debian_version? |
| 16:01.00 | nsadmin | the first looks like wheezy or sid |
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| 16:01.28 | hramrach | wheezy/sid 6.0.5 |
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| 16:01.55 | nsadmin | so the 6.0.5 box is which kernel? |
| 16:02.08 | hramrach | same order |
| 16:02.25 | hramrach | so 6.0.5 3.1.0-1-amd64 no IPv6 |
| 16:02.33 | nsadmin | ok... |
| 16:02.42 | hramrach | wheezy/sid 3.2.0-3-amd64 IPv6 |
| 16:02.46 | nsadmin | you might try the backport kernel |
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| 16:02.58 | hramrach | completely different network |
| 16:02.59 | nsadmin | on the 6.0.5 box |
| 16:03.20 | nsadmin | hmm. what happens if you exchange them temporarily? |
| 16:03.23 | iateadonut | hi... i'm triple booting a few linux distro's including debian by sharing home, mysql, and html partitions |
| 16:03.30 | iateadonut | someone told me that's a really bad idea |
| 16:03.33 | iateadonut | does anyone else do this? |
| 16:03.46 | hramrach | they are physically distinct |
| 16:04.18 | hramrach | I don't have miles of wire ant ehternet specs don't allow that anyway |
| 16:04.27 | themill | iateadonut: you'd better make sure mysql doesn't change on-disk data formats (or any of your apps change their config file format) |
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| 16:04.56 | nsadmin | hramrach, while this test (exchange them) is optional, it would tell us for sure whether the problem is the net or the machines |
| 16:05.19 | hramrach | yes, would be nice to know |
| 16:05.36 | nsadmin | another "test" you could do is install the backport kernel on the 6.0.5 box |
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| 16:05.59 | nsadmin | what distance are the two machines apart? |
| 16:06.04 | hramrach | I would rather not reboot the box at this moment |
| 16:06.32 | hramrach | a few miles I guess ;-) |
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| 16:06.52 | iateadonut | themill, the only problem i've seen is firefox and thunderbird will change config formats, but they do it automatically on startup. |
| 16:06.53 | nsadmin | oh, so finding a pair of long ethernet cables is out... |
| 16:07.13 | iateadonut | everything else has been fine - it's useful to use the home directory, so, for example, i can have my ssh keys on either distro, etc |
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| 16:07.53 | hramrach | I think that 3.1 was backport anyway. |
| 16:07.59 | iateadonut | i'll look into the mysql on-disk data formats |
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| 16:08.13 | themill | iateadonut: sure. There was lots of amusement a while back when people were doing that between kde3 and kde4, for example.... remember that these automatic transitions might happen for upgrades but not for downgrades. |
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| 16:08.45 | iateadonut | right |
| 16:08.54 | iateadonut | when you switch between distros, what do you do? |
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| 16:09.26 | iateadonut | (i start by installing lamp, then changing the user id's of mysql and my user on the new system) |
| 16:09.28 | nsadmin | hramrach, so I've identified a coupla places you might check out... there may be more (one thing, if you're using dhcp, then there could be differences between: the dhcp servers on the two nets the machines are connecting to, the dhcp clients installed on each machine |
| 16:09.40 | iateadonut | that way i don't have to think i have to do it all at once, but can still use my old distro for work as needed. |
| 16:09.44 | ribe | disculpen pero no estoy en mi casa tuve que cambiar de computadora..... |
| 16:09.52 | nsadmin | there are more differences, and those places are good starting points |
| 16:09.53 | ribe | sorry |
| 16:09.58 | ribe | wrong message |
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| 16:10.17 | iateadonut | well, someone in #ubuntu told me that doing that was stupid, so i came to #debian for validation |
| 16:10.21 | hramrach | nsadmin: there is dhcp. all the interfaces have ll v6 address except the one configured with dhcp |
| 16:10.31 | iateadonut | i feel better now - thanks, themill ! |
| 16:10.33 | themill | iateadonut: "when I switch"... wrong person to ask there, I'm afraid... I gave up flipflopping between distros in about 2001. |
| 16:11.15 | iateadonut | do you use debian for your GUI system? |
| 16:11.29 | iateadonut | what X manager do you run on it? |
| 16:11.30 | themill | iateadonut: sure |
| 16:11.31 | nsadmin | hramrach, and another thing you could try, is to take a spare machine to where each of these networks are and try them in each of the two places.... |
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| 16:11.50 | nsadmin | also for your info, the squeeze backport kernel is presently 3.2.something |
| 16:11.50 | jelly-home | same here, an OS would have to be so much better than Debian in ease of use and maintainability to even consider it |
| 16:12.20 | iateadonut | i've had bad luck upgrading debian in the past, so even when i switch between new versions of the same distro, i still do the new partition thing; that way i can still go back if i need it for work rather than having to stay up all night making sure it works. |
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| 16:12.38 | nsadmin | you can look at the current kernels using /msg judd kernels |
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| 16:13.28 | jelly-home | iateadonut: you could have two or more working computers in the house to work around breakage |
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| 16:16.34 | nsadmin | jelly-home, devil's advocate dept: I think that by adding intensely complex systems to debian, it can make those parts less maintainable than they were before (one stunning exception was the boot-floppies -> debian-installer transition) |
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| 16:18.03 | hramrach | debian used to be cool but its package management does not scale well to the size of current desktop system |
| 16:18.44 | nsadmin | it's WAY more maintainable, easy to build and substitute things into... |
| 16:19.07 | nsadmin | hramrach, that's not debian's fault tho... |
| 16:19.41 | boudiccas | hramrach: rubbish. i'm using debian wheezy on an ancient machine wioth bios dated 2003, 500mb ram, and 100mhzclockspeed, and its doing okay |
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| 16:20.30 | hramrach | that's because the machine is small and you simply can't put much stuff there. |
| 16:20.39 | hramrach | well, you technically can but could not use it |
| 16:20.42 | nsadmin | boudiccas, either way, the size of the software isn't debian's fault |
| 16:21.19 | hramrach | but lack of a solution for that immense archive size erodes the maintainibility advantage |
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| 16:21.57 | nsadmin | hramrach, also smaller-footprint desktop stuff is available, including window managers instead of des |
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| 16:22.22 | nsadmin | so that puts the choice at the user's whim |
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| 16:22.55 | hramrach | I don't use a DE but I do use various applications some of which are hopelessly broken or obsolete in Debian |
| 16:23.00 | babilen | hramrach: I fail to understand in what way the package management system doesn't scale well and which systems do. |
| 16:23.10 | Artemis3 | hramrach, which packages? |
| 16:23.25 | nsadmin | debian doesn't particularly advocate that choice since there's not a tasksel "task" that puts together an x session type with just a window manager |
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| 16:23.58 | hramrach | at this moment I stumbled over mount |
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| 16:24.19 | hramrach | it contains losetup which in no Debian version suports partitions |
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| 16:26.01 | hramrach | and as the package system is not of sufficeint quality to support importing packages from newer release when a particular application needs to be updated it is not very well suited for managing systems that run many different applications |
| 16:26.38 | somiaj | it isn't, source packages are fairly well made and many source packages from a newer release can be compiled into a binary package on an older release |
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| 16:27.20 | hramrach | but that's not something the package manager does for you, and often it does not really work |
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| 16:28.27 | somiaj | no shared libary system is going to be able to just install binary packages made for different releases. And a static linked system of packages would be way to bloated. So this is just the nature of using shared libaries. |
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| 16:28.42 | babilen | hramrach: I still fail to understand what your actual problem is -- Which version of losetup (or mount fwiw) do you need and what do you need it for? |
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| 16:29.00 | hramrach | 2.21 in this case |
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| 16:30.38 | babilen | hramrach: That version hasn't been packaged yet, but you might want to do that yourself. See "/msg dpkg uupdate" for one method to do that. Please be advised that backporting that package to squeeze is probably not the best idea. You can also compile that software locally and install it to /usr/local. I would recommend to "manage" that installation with stow (see "/msg dpkg stow usage") |
| 16:30.45 | hramrach | but on other occasion I would want eg. new version of a PDF viewer which fixes an issue but I would have to upgrade wholly to sid to have a 'supported' setup or install just the package and a few supporting libraries but get unsupported setup |
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| 16:30.58 | hramrach | and the worst thing is the time any installation takes |
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| 16:32.30 | hramrach | and once you have an 'unsupported' setup no package tool is required to work, and they often don't |
| 16:32.51 | SiDz | do you recommend using br0 when we have 2 lan interface (eth0/wlan0) |
| 16:32.51 | babilen | hramrach: You can either have bleeding-edge software or packages that have been tested (and are at least somewhat known to work together). I don't quite see the point of this discussion though. What are you trying to achieve now? |
| 16:32.57 | SiDz | or a /25 for each interface? |
| 16:33.27 | hramrach | or use a distro that tests more recent software so I need less updates |
| 16:33.48 | hramrach | and has a faster package manager |
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| 16:34.20 | babilen | hramrach: You are welcome to use whatever you want to use. What are you trying to achieve now? |
| 16:34.55 | hramrach | just saying that the 'ease of management' is not really with debian that much anymore |
| 16:35.05 | jelly-home | hramrach: which distro has a losetup that manages partitions automatically? |
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| 16:35.21 | hramrach | fedora, for example |
| 16:35.46 | hramrach | I am sure you could find others |
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| 16:36.31 | jelly-home | hramrach: which version of fedora? |
| 16:36.40 | hramrach | f17 |
| 16:36.50 | jelly-home | thanks! |
| 16:36.52 | hramrach | did not look into any other |
| 16:37.48 | hramrach | if you want that losetup for debian it's available in my ppa on launchpad ;-) |
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| 16:38.07 | hramrach | but that's untested, of course :p |
| 16:38.13 | jelly-home | did they start supporting Debian on PPA |
| 16:38.29 | jelly-home | their build environments used to be Ubuntu releases only |
| 16:38.32 | Artemis3 | i think canonical said they would not support debian |
| 16:38.36 | hramrach | no but you can use a launchpad PPA from Debian just fine |
| 16:38.41 | jelly-home | no thanks |
| 16:38.50 | jelly-home | well, deb-src maybe |
| 16:39.05 | hramrach | it includes that too |
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| 16:40.01 | jelly-home | I'll use kpartx to slice devices in the meantime |
| 16:40.05 | Artemis3 | hramrach, you can really help by helping your own repository elsewhere, and compile the package against your intended target (squeeze?) |
| 16:40.13 | Artemis3 | oops, setting |
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| 16:41.10 | hramrach | Artemis3: the package should be buildable on Debian too. I just don't have a Debian autobuilder. |
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| 16:41.27 | namoamitabuddha | I found it too ugly: http://imagebin.org/228427 |
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| 17:06.08 | hramrach | I have the same dhclient on both boxes. How cahn I chexk that whatever is supposed to provide an IPv6 address provides it? |
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| 17:11.38 | vipkilla | how do i create a dummy audio device when there are no physical soundcards on my machine? |
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| 17:12.39 | nsadmin | , v libglibmm-2.4-dev |
| 17:12.40 | judd | Package: libglibmm-2.4-dev on i386 -- lenny: 2.16.4-1; squeeze: 2.24.2-1; sid: 2.32.0-1; wheezy: 2.32.0-1 |
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| 17:18.03 | blubberdiblub | vipkilla, use the snd-dummy kernel module |
| 17:18.18 | vipkilla | # modprobe snd-dummy |
| 17:18.19 | vipkilla | FATAL: Module snd_dummy not found. |
| 17:19.03 | dabd | i'm in a little dependency hell on this offline debian machine but it has ssh access to another machine (running fedora) that has internet access. Is there anyway I can configure the offline machine to acesss the debian repos through this ssh link? |
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| 17:20.12 | blubberdiblub | vipkilla, well, i have the module here. it should be included in all default debian kernel packages |
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| 17:20.23 | hramrach | dabd: you might want to look at the apt option print-uris or similar |
| 17:20.35 | vipkilla | blubberdiblub: i thought so too... |
| 17:20.49 | vipkilla | i have no physical soundcard maybe that is related? |
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| 17:21.17 | blubberdiblub | vipkilla, i'm not sure. does "modinfo snd-dummy" work? |
| 17:21.30 | vipkilla | no |
| 17:21.51 | blubberdiblub | vipkilla, or "ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/drivers/snd-dummy.ko" ? |
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| 17:22.08 | vipkilla | ls: cannot access /lib/modules/2.6.38.8-squeezeplug/kernel/sound/drivers/snd-dummy.ko: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.17 | blubberdiblub | what's squeezeplug? |
| 17:22.18 | vipkilla | guess i need to compile it :/ |
| 17:22.25 | blubberdiblub | that's no default debian kernel package |
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| 17:22.47 | dabd | hramrach: i've been struggling with offline installations using print-uris so i thought that i might use portforwarding or something to connect the offline to the internet throught the ssh connectino to the other machine but I am not sure how to do it |
| 17:23.32 | divbell | blubberdiblub, http://squeezeplug.de/ |
| 17:24.01 | hramrach | dabd: ssh has some option to act as web proxy. that might help too |
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| 17:24.14 | blubberdiblub | well, i've got no intention to read pages. it's no official debian kernel, that's for sure |
| 17:24.29 | vipkilla | blubberdiblub: it's a version of debian i have on a dockstar |
| 17:24.36 | hramrach | or you can port-forward to a remote proxy |
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| 17:25.04 | blubberdiblub | !tell vipkilla about debian-based |
| 17:25.11 | yakamo | anyone know where the wifi passwords are store for "wicd"? |
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| 17:25.34 | vipkilla | thanks blubberdiblub |
| 17:26.18 | yakamo | never mind found them |
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| 17:46.06 | thewanderer1 | guys, is anybody able to connect to a wired network using n-m in Wheezy? it doesn't let me enable wired Ethernet *unless* I'm on GNOME3, then it works |
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| 17:46.24 | thewanderer1 | but on LXDE or XFCE, I only see a "disconnected" under "wired networks" |
| 17:46.29 | somiaj | thewanderer1: do you have eth0 defined in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:46.32 | specing | thewanderer1: WICD ftw! |
| 17:46.37 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: no, and it works on GNOME3 |
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| 17:46.56 | somiaj | thewanderer1: well was wondering if gnome was a bitch and didn't ignore interfaced networks while the other places did |
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| 17:47.27 | thewanderer1 | funnily enough, I can select a PPPoE connection, and it seems to be using the wired iface |
| 17:47.33 | blackswan | what package has all the gnome desktop printing magic stuff in it (in wheezy)? |
| 17:47.40 | babilen | thewanderer1: What are you using if not Gnome3? |
| 17:47.50 | thewanderer1 | babilen: XFCE and LXDE, both fail with nm-applet |
| 17:47.52 | yakamo | i need to get around to install wheezy on my netbook soon |
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| 17:48.05 | somiaj | thewanderer1: what network manager front end are you using? Have you tried the cli front end? |
| 17:48.27 | thewanderer1 | babilen: also, GNOME3 has different n-m controls - instead of nm-applet, it has this silly 1/0 flip-switch |
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| 17:48.52 | thewanderer1 | somiaj: nm-tool says eth0: Disconnected |
| 17:49.32 | thewanderer1 | it's obviously not disconnected if GNOME3 can connect on it, and a manual `ip link set up dev eth0` works |
| 17:49.33 | babilen | thewanderer1: Hmm, you might have to make sure that /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1 is running, but I haven't seen that issue before. Yes, gnome3 uses a different applet. |
| 17:50.11 | thewanderer1 | babilen: now that you mention it, both LXDE and XFCE complain about some polkit agent at startup (but I never bother to read) |
| 17:50.30 | thewanderer1 | but yeah, the agent seems to be running |
| 17:50.46 | thewanderer1 | sec, quick reboot into a different kernel... |
| 17:50.50 | babilen | thewanderer1: Sure |
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| 17:53.03 | thewanderer1 | still no luck after a reboot, n-m does not see a wired connection (I think) |
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| 17:53.56 | thewanderer1 | okay, that was just silly! I had no wired connection profiles defined, so n-m would say "disconnected"... |
| 17:53.59 | cardamon | Which package contains all the libreoffice applications? libreoffice-core? |
| 17:54.05 | thewanderer1 | grrrr |
| 17:54.05 | babilen | thewanderer1: yay! |
| 17:54.23 | jelly-home | cardamon: just libreoffice |
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| 17:54.44 | thewanderer1 | GNOME usability... if I could just default to wpa-supplicant proper and ifupdown, n-m would be long gone |
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| 17:55.04 | jelly-home | ifupdown is a) crap b) available only in Debian |
| 17:55.08 | cardamon | jelly-home: Thanks. I somehow managed to just get base. |
| 17:55.23 | babilen | cardamon: They are packaged individually (e.g. libreoffice-calc for the spreadsheet application) -- You want the "libreoffice" metapackage though if you want to install all applicable packages. |
| 17:56.28 | thewanderer1 | jelly-home: I'm always open to alternatives :P |
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| 17:58.10 | blackswan | what package has all the gnome desktop printing magic stuff in it (in wheezy)? |
| 17:58.11 | jelly-home | thewanderer1: Don't blame Gnome for choosing a portable tool |
| 17:58.32 | thewanderer1 | okay :-S |
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| 18:16.34 | thewanderer1 | does linux 3.2 in Wheezy come with aufs support? |
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| 18:17.12 | shevy | hi guys, I somehow killed libcrypt.so - is there a way to reinstall it via dpkg perhaps? |
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| 18:19.09 | thewanderer1 | shevy: apt-get install --reinstall libc6-dev |
| 18:19.12 | CQ | shevy: look at packages.debian.org to see which package contains it and reinstall that package via apt-get --reinstall |
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| 18:19.27 | shevy | ok |
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| 18:20.02 | bfig | hello, is this correct for checking for processes hoarding the 8080 port: `lsof | grep 8080` ? |
| 18:20.22 | Powergiant | Can someone explain the stable/unstable structure in debian? I have read a couple of people recommending unstable for desktop usage, and that stable is stable as in " Use it for a big server" stable. So is ustable a good ide for a desktop ? |
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| 18:21.01 | bfig | (i know it can get other stuff too, i just want to know if opened tcp sockets in the 8080 port are included in whatever the command i stated brings, or if somebody can think of a prettier alternative i'd be interested to hear about it) |
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| 18:21.07 | adityamenon | hello, good afternoon |
| 18:21.11 | tremon | ,kconfig aufs --release wheezy |
| 18:21.12 | judd | Searching for 'aufs' in wheezy kernel config gives AUFS_FS=m AUFS_BRANCH_MAX_127=y AUFS_SBILIST=y AUFS_EXPORT=y AUFS_BR_HFSPLUS=y AUFS_BDEV_LOOP=y. |
| 18:21.27 | adityamenon | I just helped a friend install debian on their computer, guiding them on skype |
| 18:21.30 | Leolo_3 | hello, what's the debian equivalent to chkconfig --list ? |
| 18:21.35 | adityamenon | I'm now trying to login with SSH |
| 18:21.35 | tremon | thewanderer1: it appears so (aufs) |
| 18:21.47 | adityamenon | I got them to get their ip from whatismyip.com |
| 18:21.55 | thewanderer1 | tremon: thanks, saves me from doing a compile |
| 18:22.20 | adityamenon | but when I do the usual `ssh accountname@ip.ip.ip.ip`, it fails with a 'bad file number' message on my Windows |
| 18:22.25 | boudiccas | Powergiant: i would use wheezy for a desktop if you have good backups and are prepared for stuff to break, otheriwse use squeeze for desktop nad servers |
| 18:22.35 | adityamenon | I logged in to a server I've got access to, and tried from there |
| 18:22.40 | tremon | Leolo_3: chkconfig is a runlevel editor, right? try service --status-all |
| 18:22.42 | adityamenon | it said "connection timed out" over there too |
| 18:22.53 | nsadmin | , v cdbs |
| 18:22.54 | judd | Package: cdbs on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.52; squeeze: 0.4.89; wheezy: 0.4.115+deb7u1; sid: 0.4.117 |
| 18:22.58 | adityamenon | so it's def. not a problem with my computer/firewall |
| 18:22.59 | bfig | Powergiant, stable means you have to press a thermic lance through the motherboard to make the system stop functioning. For servers you need it, but for desktops you might prefer the new stuff even if it crashes sometimes |
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| 18:23.17 | adityamenon | do we need to do any configuration on the fresh debian install to allow this to work? |
| 18:24.00 | Powergiant | bfig: So sid or wheezy? depending on what new-to-broke ratio I want ? |
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| 18:24.18 | bfig | yes |
| 18:24.19 | boudiccas | Powergiant: never sid, possibly wheezy |
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| 18:24.33 | bfig | for example, i have both sid and wheezy repos in my install |
| 18:24.36 | Leolo_3 | tremon : hmmm... that's close. I assume + means running, - means not runing. what about ? |
| 18:24.45 | bfig | this is *a mess*. but i can handle it |
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| 18:25.30 | tremon | Leolo_3: ? means unknown. Usually this means started but no daemon was found (which is expected for runlevel scripts that don't actually start a daemon) |
| 18:25.36 | Leolo_3 | ...it means that service doesn't support 'service foo status' |
| 18:25.40 | Powergiant | Ok not SID. But would I really be missing anything by running squeeze ? |
| 18:25.45 | boudiccas | i've saved a file in a users directory and now its owned by root, how can i touch it so that its owned by the user please? |
| 18:25.51 | tremon | that sounds like a better answer :) |
| 18:26.14 | Leolo_3 | also, service --status-all won't show me what runlevel they are activate, nor upstart services :-/ |
| 18:26.23 | boudiccas | Powergiant: no problems with running squeeze |
| 18:26.36 | alpre | boudiccas: chown it? |
| 18:27.07 | boudiccas | alpre: i'm not sure, would you elaborate please? |
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| 18:27.26 | alpre | I am not sure I understand boudiccas |
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| 18:27.50 | boudiccas | alpre: please explain more |
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| 18:28.21 | alpre | chown, changes ownership |
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| 18:28.28 | tremon | Leolo_3: it lists the running services. If you want to see the complete runlevel configuration, I think insserv -s comes close |
| 18:28.52 | boudiccas | alpre: i know that, but i dont know what number to give it to change from root to user |
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| 18:29.05 | tremon | but that's only available if you're using dependency-based boot sequencing (which is the default for all systems, except those that started out as lenny or earlier) |
| 18:29.10 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: Remember that for most commands like chown or chmod you can easily consult the man page, or use the --help option for simple usage. |
| 18:29.21 | Leolo_3 | insserv: invalid option -- 's' |
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| 18:29.42 | tremon | hmm... maybe that's a wheezy addition then |
| 18:29.50 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: chown can use <username>:<groupname> as well as the UID:GID, or you can look them up in /etc/passwd. |
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| 18:30.18 | tremon | Leolo_3: sorry, out of suggestions, other than parsing all of /etc/init.d/* yourself |
| 18:30.18 | boudiccas | jhutchinsah, thanks |
| 18:30.28 | Leolo_3 | yeah :-/ |
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| 18:30.48 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: Sometimes you'll see odd ownership in files from tarballs. If there isn't a corresponding UID in the passwd file, it will show up as just a number. |
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| 18:31.59 | ImaLamer | Is there a quick way to remove a deb source from the command line? |
| 18:32.10 | ImaLamer | one of my ppa/sources expired |
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| 18:35.17 | \Jan | Is there any option or package for wicd to make it auto-scan every so often and autoconnect |
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| 18:35.40 | \Jan | I mean it has autoconnect already, but half the time it's doesn't activate because it doesn't autoscan |
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| 18:36.08 | Mayou | oh wow. when I installed squeeze and chose web server, apache is installed automatically and configured!! |
| 18:36.33 | ImaLamer | \Jan: could use use the CLI to run with cron? |
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| 18:37.01 | ImaLamer | I am hardwired, so I've never used the wicd except to play with an adapter once |
| 18:37.01 | \Jan | hm |
| 18:37.10 | xyfvz | Hello, what's the best way to format my hard drive in Debian? |
| 18:37.33 | \Jan | gparted, fdisk? |
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| 18:37.50 | xyfvz | I need to securley erase all data on it. |
| 18:38.13 | nsadmin | Mayou, what were you expecting? :) |
| 18:38.25 | ImaLamer | xyfvz: use a liveCD, maybe Clonezilla |
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| 18:39.36 | \Jan | dban livecd |
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| 18:44.01 | ImaLamer | mindf*ck: setting irssi to ignore join/parts in this channel - not knowing if it's working because you dont' see any |
| 18:44.34 | abrotman | yeah .. amazing .. |
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| 18:45.07 | ImaLamer | look, i'm waiting on a phone call, i'm bored :P |
| 18:45.19 | ImaLamer | also Ima...Lamer |
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| 18:47.29 | Leolo_3 | so, how do I tell if a service would be started at boot? |
| 18:48.13 | jordanm | Leolo_3: chkconfig --list |
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| 18:49.26 | Leolo_3 | ok, i'm a dunce. apt-get install chkconfig |
| 18:49.39 | jordanm | ,file bin/chkconfig |
| 18:49.43 | judd | Search for bin/chkconfig in squeeze/i386: chkconfig: sbin/chkconfig |
| 18:50.04 | ImaLamer | Leolo_3: i'd say not a dunce if you get that part :) |
| 18:50.53 | tremon | lol... seems there's always a better solution :) |
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| 18:53.26 | johnfg | loopback 127.0.0.0; and local 0.0.0.0; and link-local I'm not sure. |
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| 18:55.31 | ImaLamer | as root, can I attach user screen sessions? |
| 18:56.45 | abrotman | ImaLamer: man screen .. see about ACLs |
| 18:57.12 | ImaLamer | abrotman: thanks, wanna collapse 2 putty windows into one |
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| 18:58.23 | abrotman | putty windows? |
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| 19:01.21 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: putty is available in linux, does some key and account management that take extra steps with ssh. |
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| 19:02.31 | jhutchins_wk | Leolo_3: there are several init managers like rcconf. |
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| 19:03.18 | greenLaptop | Do I need to specify my DNS server by IP in the whois information? |
| 19:03.20 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: i'm aware of what putty is .. thanks for assuming we're all idiots |
| 19:03.40 | abrotman | greenLaptop: ask your registrarr |
| 19:03.40 | greenLaptop | If I do it by name it wont be able to resolve it. |
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| 19:03.58 | greenLaptop | I am trying to understand how DNS works in general. |
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| 19:04.21 | abrotman | greenLaptop: last time i was doing domain registrations, you had to 'register' the DNS servers |
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| 19:04.47 | jhutchins_wk | Debian chkconfig is actually a script - an interesting one at that. |
| 19:04.49 | greenLaptop | I see |
| 19:04.53 | greenLaptop | That makes sense |
| 19:05.01 | abrotman | greenLaptop: so you'd tell it what the DNS server names and IPs were, and then when you were registering a domain, you could tell it to use those DNS servers. talk to your registrarar |
| 19:05.05 | abrotman | can't spell it! |
| 19:05.33 | jhutchins_wk | abrotman: Well, I didn't know it was available in linux or why anyone would use it until fairly recently. Just trying to be helpful. |
| 19:05.38 | greenLaptop | thanks for your help |
| 19:05.46 | abrotman | jhutchins_wk: right ... |
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| 19:09.06 | Tenchworks | question, bash scripting, if/thens... "if [ $? -eq /var/run//tmux/ ]; then" if I wanted to partial match the /var/run//tmux/ would what I have there be fine or can I toss a * at then end (is * a wildcard symbol in this case ?). does that partial match have to be in quotes or is it fine on it's own? |
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| 19:10.42 | jordanm | Tenchworks: $? is always an integer (up to 255) |
| 19:10.55 | Tenchworks | oh |
| 19:10.57 | Tenchworks | hrmm |
| 19:10.59 | CoolDuke | bye |
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| 19:11.14 | jordanm | Tenchworks: if [[ $something == /var/run/tmux* ]]; then ... |
| 19:11.34 | jordanm | Tenchworks: glob matches only work inside of [[ in bash, not [ (test) |
| 19:11.56 | jordanm | Tenchworks: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 19:12.25 | Tenchworks | prevent a script that runs on login from running again when I create a new window/pane in tmux |
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| 19:13.22 | Tenchworks | I don't want it to run WITHIN tmux, thus checking if I'm already in tmux before checking anything else |
| 19:13.47 | jordanm | Tenchworks: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/045 |
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| 19:15.08 | jordanm | Tenchworks: but really, you probably just want to move your script from .bashrc to .bash_profile |
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| 19:15.28 | jordanm | Tenchworks: .bash_profile is invoked on login, whereas bashrc is invoked for every interactive shell |
| 19:15.35 | grothendieck | ^ |
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| 19:16.07 | grothendieck | you can also check if you are running in tmux/screen in the bashrc |
| 19:16.49 | jordanm | if it sets TERM as expected |
| 19:17.35 | Tenchworks | the script is only linked from .profile (which should be the same as .bash_profile if i understand right) though it is still called on the creation of a new prompt in tmux |
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| 19:23.57 | johnfg | I've read the man page, but am not sure what should be in the file /etc/networks. I don't remember editing it. Is it done automatically? |
| 19:24.04 | johnfg | because it doesn't look right. |
| 19:24.09 | johnfg | loopback 127.0.0.0; and local 0.0.0.0; and link-local I'm not sure. |
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| 19:27.56 | tremon | johnfg: why do you need /etc/networks? Or rather, what program needs it? |
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| 19:28.54 | johnfg | tremon: My question exactly. I wondered, just because I found it, and the networks not quite right. |
| 19:29.02 | tremon | anyway, according to my file, the link-local segment is the stateless autoconfiguration space, 169.254.0.0/16 |
| 19:29.25 | johnfg | s/networks/network is/ |
| 19:29.26 | tremon | johnfg: "the networks not quite right" is pretty meaningless |
| 19:29.45 | tremon | well, semantically the 's doesn't improve it |
| 19:30.08 | johnfg | tremon: Yeah, but too long to get into at the present. So you do have that file also? |
| 19:30.22 | tremon | yes... |
| 19:30.25 | Dagger2 | realistically, just ignore /etc/networks |
| 19:32.49 | johnfg | Ok. Should resolv.conf contain: nameserver 192.168.0.1? |
| 19:33.14 | tremon | if that's your local dns server... |
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| 19:33.31 | Dagger2 | ok, here we go: it's used by `route` to let it print symbolic names for networks rather than the numeric version |
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| 19:33.57 | tremon | Dagger2: cool, so it does have a purpose ;) |
| 19:34.17 | Dagger2 | `ip route` doesn't use it though, and `route` is a tad deprecated in favour of that, so it's not very useful |
| 19:35.20 | tremon | sees his mood come crashing down again |
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| 19:36.19 | jhutchins_wk | johnfg: If you're using dhcp then resolv.conf is probably getting the setting from that. |
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| 19:37.25 | johnfg | tremon: If I have in my /etc/hosts 192.168.0.107 dns.<mydomain>.org, should I have that address also in resolv.conf? |
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| 19:38.29 | tremon | johnfg: probably not, unless dns.mydomain.org is also a recursive (resolving) dns server |
| 19:38.50 | tremon | most of the time, the dns server hosting a domain does not do resolving for other domain queries |
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| 19:39.54 | tremon | I'd just try nslookup irc.oftc.net 192.168.0.1 and see if that gets an answer |
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| 19:40.20 | tremon | alternatively, prepend a nameserver 8.8.8.8 line to resolv.conf to sidestep dns issues for new |
| 19:40.24 | tremon | s/new/now/ |
| 19:40.27 | johnfg | No, I'm using static. |
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| 19:42.56 | johnfg | resolves fine with 192.168.0.1 |
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| 19:43.33 | tremon | ok, then your resolv.conf is correct |
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| 19:43.53 | johnfg | tremon: Ok, thanks for the help. ttyl |
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| 19:47.38 | _DomY-Dom | Hi, I've got exim4 configured on my server with three domain names. DNS are all set up, so is BIND, etc. Mails @ two of the domains seem to work, but one just doesn't. No error message bouncing back except when I send something with my iCloud account: http://pastebin.com/KCQg8A2S |
| 19:47.38 | _DomY-Dom | The logs are extremely vague it seems: http://pastebin.com/K9TNK5MN |
| 19:47.38 | _DomY-Dom | Does anyone know how to fix this ? |
| 19:47.54 | \Jan | er, what's the command to make a pop-up alert window |
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| 19:51.00 | \Jan | nevermind, zenity, got it |
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| 19:51.28 | tadzik | hello, I have vdpau problem for the last few days in testing |
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| 19:51.51 | tadzik | I get "Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" even though I'm not using an nvidia card |
| 19:52.03 | tadzik | Is that a know issue? Could it be solved with some downgrade possibly? |
| 19:52.11 | tadzik | It stopped working around ~thursday |
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| 20:01.26 | nsadmin | , file shunit2 |
| 20:01.30 | judd | Search for shunit2 in squeeze/i386: shunit2: usr/bin/shunit2, usr/share/shunit2/shunit2 |
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| 20:21.30 | superstraw | has anyone figured out what l1mpm4rk's quit message means? |
| 20:21.51 | ectospasm | superstraw: looks like brainfuck |
| 20:21.58 | ectospasm | ...if I had to hazard a guess |
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| 20:22.14 | \Jan | How do I have something like a while loop in bash, except it continues to the next iteration without waiting for the previous one to finish |
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| 20:22.24 | \Jan | er, a for loop |
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| 20:22.35 | ectospasm | \Jan: next or continue |
| 20:22.42 | ectospasm | ...I can't remember off the top of my head |
| 20:22.46 | \Jan | replace do with continue? |
| 20:22.47 | \Jan | oh |
| 20:22.58 | \Jan | er, done with continue |
| 20:23.32 | \Jan | oh, continue after do, but before done |
| 20:24.07 | ectospasm | right |
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| 20:24.26 | ectospasm | \Jan: typically you'll put the continue within a conditional block |
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| 20:25.53 | \Jan | I don't have a conditional block; it's not working |
| 20:25.57 | blubberdiblub | ectospasm, i'm not sure, but \Jan's wording sounded like he might be looking for how to background commands |
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| 20:26.56 | \Jan | That worked |
| 20:26.59 | ectospasm | blubberdiblub: now that I read it, s/he meant both |
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| 20:28.34 | useless-eater | when I set up kvm with vms hooking up to a virtual bridge created with "bridge-utils", is thats what called a virtual network? Or is VPN? or VLAN? |
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| 20:45.14 | vimpulse | dpkg: cupsys-bsd |
| 20:45.15 | dpkg | vimpulse: are you using Windows? |
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| 20:46.39 | vimpulse | dpkg: cups-bsd |
| 20:46.40 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, vimpulse |
| 20:47.08 | ectospasm | !self-tell |
| 20:47.08 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
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| 20:53.18 | kaosu | Do you guys think there would be any major issues with completely purging Java from a Debian Squeeze installation? |
| 20:53.40 | kaosu | I really don't want to run Java, at all. It is too much of a security risk for how little I actually use it. |
| 20:53.46 | daemonkeeper | Chances are you won't even miss it. |
| 20:54.03 | kaosu | I am just hoping it does not really put me in dependency hell later on, lol |
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| 20:54.35 | daemonkeeper | Probably not. There is certainly no core package depending on Java, and most likely you only have a few leaf packages of minor importance installed. |
| 20:54.51 | daemonkeeper | Which make use of Java, if any. |
| 20:55.01 | jelly-home | silly things might depend on libgcj\* |
| 20:55.24 | dankobum | Does anyone know, if facebook works on standard chromium browser? |
| 20:55.28 | daemonkeeper | Silly maybe, but probably of limited importance to most systems. |
| 20:56.02 | daemonkeeper | Why wouldn't it? |
| 20:57.30 | dankobum | a time ago facebook did not work on standard iceweasel, I had to do some work with backports and so on to get newer iceweasel/firefox |
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| 20:59.02 | kaosu | Open Office did depend on some Java libraries, so I am purging all of Open Office. Not a huge deal. |
| 20:59.15 | dankobum | currently I am using fedora 17 but I want back to debian |
| 20:59.29 | kaosu | When I really look at it; Open Office is one hell of mess. I wonder if Libre Office depends on Java so heavily as well. |
| 20:59.46 | nsadmin | is facebook theonly thing holding you back? |
| 21:00.21 | daemonkeeper | kaosu: It is not really different to OO. That said, OO does not really depend on Java. It _could_ work without. |
| 21:00.24 | dankobum | I want a stabel linux with working facebook |
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| 21:00.43 | nsadmin | is facebook theonly thing holding you back, or is there something else? |
| 21:01.05 | kaosu | demon: Just to keep my system cleaner, I decided to just use Abiword and GNUmeric. It should be just fine for my use, and not require such heavy packages. |
| 21:01.38 | dondelelcaro | kaosu: libreoffice also depends on java; there are lots of things that do, unfortunately |
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| 21:01.57 | dondelelcaro | it at least works with openjdk, though. |
| 21:02.25 | dankobum | there is nothing holding me back, I download the iso at the moment, I am quite sure there will be somehow a working browser with facebook |
| 21:02.42 | ectospasm | facebook works in chromium last I checked... |
| 21:02.49 | ectospasm | is too lazy to check right now |
| 21:02.55 | dankobum | thanks |
| 21:02.56 | ectospasm | loathes facebook |
| 21:03.03 | nsadmin | dankobum, once you get it installed look at mozilla.debian.net |
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| 21:03.35 | nsadmin | ectospasm, it's probably the hottest marketing tool on the planet right now |
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| 21:04.06 | jelly-home | so, if you don't have it, you're missing loads of interesting marketing? |
| 21:04.27 | nsadmin | or opportunities to market your own products |
| 21:04.34 | kaosu | I finally did it. I managed to get dpkg -l | grep jre to list no results, removing every single Java library, and all of OO, with no dependency issues or breakage on Debian Squeeze. |
| 21:04.42 | kaosu | That at least makes me feel a little safer and less bloated. |
| 21:04.45 | ectospasm | nsadmin: yes, and it is fadish |
| 21:04.48 | ImaLamer | jelly-home: you're missing customers, recent study says campaigning on social networks beats TV ads |
| 21:04.54 | nsadmin | yep, sure is |
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| 21:05.49 | ImaLamer | nsadmin: though we should add the debacle with FB ads - you pay per click, clicks are done by FB owned bots |
| 21:06.33 | ImaLamer | nsadmin: we market our insurance agency on FB, but not with paid ads, organic shares work best (for free!)... though G+ now has more reach |
| 21:07.12 | nsadmin | I'm aware of that part... but not the bot thing |
| 21:07.53 | ImaLamer | nsadmin: there is a write up about it, but forget who did it and the company - basically they were getting hits from non-standard user agents I believe |
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| 21:08.33 | ImaLamer | dankobum: if all else fails http://m.facebook.com works everywhere |
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| 21:13.19 | Iridos | I resent the idea that something ending with "facebook.com" actually "works" |
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| 21:13.54 | peaveyman | I installed debian testing using the netinstall image |
| 21:14.01 | jelly-home | hopefully that m. site also has lots less ads |
| 21:14.11 | peaveyman | I wanted to add my Windows 7 to the boot menu |
| 21:14.22 | peaveyman | But it didn't add it during the install |
| 21:14.33 | nsadmin | , v osprober |
| 21:14.35 | Iridos | just install os-prober |
| 21:14.35 | judd | No package named 'osprober' was found in i386. |
| 21:14.40 | nsadmin | , v os-prober |
| 21:14.41 | judd | Package: os-prober on i386 -- lenny: 1.28; squeeze: 1.42; sid: 1.55; wheezy: 1.55 |
| 21:14.50 | nsadmin | peaveyman install that |
| 21:14.52 | ImaLamer | it should work Iridos - they run linux on their servers |
| 21:15.05 | peaveyman | the system says I have it but I have no idea how to run it |
| 21:15.13 | Iridos | grub uses that to detect the oses and is preconfigured to do so |
| 21:15.23 | Iridos | it should "just work™" |
| 21:15.24 | nsadmin | ImaLamer, they might also run php and mysql... |
| 21:16.08 | peaveyman | will it work if the windows install is on another disk from the deb install |
| 21:16.11 | peaveyman | Tridos: thats what I thought also |
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| 21:16.23 | nsadmin | peaveyman, it might |
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| 21:16.57 | peaveyman | so I run os-prober from the terminal, correct? I did that already but didn't get any output at all |
| 21:17.02 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: grub2? |
| 21:17.07 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: not exactly |
| 21:17.08 | jelly-home | peaveyman: no, run update-grub instead |
| 21:17.19 | jelly-home | (as root) |
| 21:17.35 | peaveyman | Yes, grub2 |
| 21:17.38 | ImaLamer | http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/grub-2.html |
| 21:17.48 | jelly-home | but the installation process did that already, so it means something else is wrong |
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| 21:18.44 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: if you apt-get install gparted (or similar) can you see the Windows disk/partition? |
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| 21:18.52 | nsadmin | I have a 2 tb disk that's mostly off, and that has some linux installs on it... when I run update-grub without the drive, my menu gets shorter... when the drive is on and I run that, I get more menu items |
| 21:19.05 | peaveyman | fdisk -l shows it |
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| 21:20.02 | jelly-home | bets os-prober has undeclared dependencies on stuff like ntfs-3g |
| 21:20.10 | zykotick9 | (lazy) when is the PS4 "+" prompt used? |
| 21:20.25 | nsadmin | peaveyman, so install os-prober and run update-grub |
| 21:20.44 | ImaLamer | jelly-home is probably right |
| 21:21.03 | jelly-home | zykotick9: which shell is that anyway |
| 21:21.05 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: can you actually mount the Windows partition (even r/o if you wanted to be safe) |
| 21:21.09 | peaveyman | I have an entry for Windows 7 in the boot menu now due to me adding an entry to the menuentry "Windows 7 /dev/sda1" { |
| 21:21.09 | peaveyman | insmod ntfs |
| 21:21.09 | peaveyman | set root=(hd0,1) |
| 21:21.09 | peaveyman | chainloader +1 |
| 21:21.09 | peaveyman | } |
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| 21:21.26 | jelly-home | \o/ |
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| 21:21.31 | peaveyman | sorry about that |
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| 21:21.44 | zykotick9 | jelly-home: i'm just looking at the bash $ variables. i never remember seeing a + prompt. > yes, but + never. |
| 21:21.54 | peaveyman | I can view the drive in the file manager just fine |
| 21:21.54 | nsadmin | zykotick9, that's in info bash |
| 21:22.13 | peaveyman | I have the entry in the boot menu but it says invalid signature |
| 21:22.38 | zinx | jelly-home: yeah, it tries a lot of stuff including vol_id from udev, blkid, mounts, ls for mounted filesystems, etc |
| 21:22.52 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: thanks. fyi "The value of this parameter is expanded as with PS1 and the value is printed before each command bash displays during an execution trace" |
| 21:22.54 | zinx | jelly-home: that stuff really should be in suggests/recommends for it... stupid package maintainer |
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| 21:23.00 | peaveyman | as far as os-prober goes, I already had it installed |
| 21:23.17 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: think i have something - brb |
| 21:23.43 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: that fyi wasn't for you, but the channel. "execution trace" is certainly nothing i do ;) thanks again. |
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| 21:25.28 | dankobum | thank you all, my download of the debian iso is now almost completet, I will leave here and install, bye |
| 21:25.29 | peaveyman | TmaLamer: okay |
| 21:25.31 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: I think your "set root=" is wrong |
| 21:25.40 | peaveyman | ok |
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| 21:26.27 | peaveyman | TmaLamer: what should it be |
| 21:26.32 | multi_io_ | can I find out when a given debian package was installed on the system? |
| 21:26.38 | ImaLamer | but now I'm seeing it's not if it's /dev/sda1 |
| 21:26.53 | peaveyman | but it's not /dev/sda1 |
| 21:26.58 | peaveyman | it's /dev/sdb1 |
| 21:27.00 | nsadmin | zykotick9, are you saying I shouldn't have replied? |
| 21:27.01 | ImaLamer | (hd0,1) looks to be the right mapping |
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| 21:27.35 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: not at all!? thank you. |
| 21:27.51 | nsadmin | ImaLamer, look at your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 21:27.59 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: then likely (hd0,2) ? I need someone else to weigh in on how grub maps devices |
| 21:28.14 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: i took that fyi/quote from "info bash" |
| 21:28.19 | multi_io_ | found something. |
| 21:28.20 | ImaLamer | nsadmin: useless for me, all my linux machines have only ... linux |
| 21:28.23 | peaveyman | I can try that and see |
| 21:28.41 | nsadmin | zykotick9, sure :) np... now, the actual info page for bash is most likely in non-free... |
| 21:28.52 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: what nsadmin said |
| 21:29.08 | nsadmin | oh, nikmixup |
| 21:29.14 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: i'm on my desktop which runs squeeze non-free - so not an issue |
| 21:29.24 | peaveyman | Ok, let me take a look |
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| 21:30.17 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: the disk is no dynamic, just simple, not GPT, etc? |
| 21:30.34 | peaveyman | Nope, just a simple HDD |
| 21:30.41 | zykotick9 | nsadmin: my only libre-debian is my netbook. ironically the only system with a 100% uptime (due to the cheat of pm-hibernate). |
| 21:30.52 | nsadmin | is it larger than 2tb? |
| 21:31.01 | peaveyman | no, 500 gig |
| 21:31.23 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: and you don't have an EFI motherboard? |
| 21:31.43 | peaveyman | My device map shows (hd1) for this drive |
| 21:31.53 | peaveyman | Nope, it's a gigabyte board |
| 21:32.08 | nsadmin | ok, fyi under 2tb can use the older msdos-style partition table type (or the newer), but over 2tb requires the new one |
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| 21:32.57 | peaveyman | Should it be (hd1,1) |
| 21:32.59 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: as nsadmin said the device map will show what (hd0,X) to use |
| 21:33.21 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: if you only have one partition on that drive - no - 0,disk# |
| 21:33.35 | peaveyman | WEll, crap then it's correct |
| 21:33.42 | nsadmin | or at least which (hdTHIS |
| 21:33.50 | peaveyman | I don't know why os-prober didn't add it |
| 21:34.09 | peaveyman | in the device map it shows for that drive, hd1 |
| 21:34.18 | peaveyman | hd0 is the drive that debian is on |
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| 21:34.32 | biesbjerg | Hi guys, I'm trying to migrate mailboxes from server A to server B (Am using dovecot). Preferrable keeping the same passwords and of course all of the users' mailboxes. I use IspManager as a control panel on both servers, if that matter (Sadly, the import user function doesn't work). Can someone walk me through doing it manually? I am willing to pay if needed. |
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| 21:34.44 | ImaLamer | in /etc/grub.d/ you have said Windows file (##_Windows)? |
| 21:34.48 | biesbjerg | Preferrably* |
| 21:36.14 | ImaLamer | or rather peaveyman - where are you defining the windows entry? |
| 21:36.26 | peaveyman | TmaLamer: in the 40_custom file |
| 21:36.30 | peaveyman | http://www.pastebin.ca/2204315 |
| 21:36.34 | peaveyman | that is my entry |
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| 21:38.12 | ImaLamer | reload your pastebin and try that mod |
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| 21:38.54 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: making another edit, one sec |
| 21:39.03 | peaveyman | I don't see any changes |
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| 21:39.40 | ImaLamer | http://www.pastebin.ca/2204318 |
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| 21:39.52 | ImaLamer | sorry, forgot it changes the serial number on edits |
| 21:40.09 | peaveyman | k |
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| 21:40.19 | \Jan | How do I make bash follow a numerical pattern? |
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| 21:40.57 | \Jan | something like having it echo 1 - 100 |
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| 21:41.18 | ImaLamer | My turn; does anyone here run OSSEC? |
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| 21:42.58 | Iridos | \Jan, echo {1..100} |
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| 21:45.42 | peaveyman | ImaLamer: gotta add my user to sudoers, then I will try it out |
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| 21:49.21 | ImaLamer | I'm looking for a way to parse / pull IP's from a log file where a line contains a word |
| 21:49.40 | jordanm | \Jan: if you need a variable number (eg foo=5 {1..$foo} # doesn't work), you can use a c-style for loop: foo=5; for ((i=1; i<=foo; i++)); do ...; done |
| 21:49.46 | ImaLamer | such as: Sep 14 01:13:04 4qq sshd[21081]: Failed password for bin from 61.191.24.227 port 1027 ssh2 |
| 21:50.32 | ImaLamer | i know there are ten classic command lines to do these things and I never use any of them :( |
| 21:50.49 | blackswan | what word? |
| 21:51.28 | ImaLamer | if the line matches "Failed" pull the IP |
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| 21:51.40 | ImaLamer | I read, and can't find, a great blog post on this |
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| 21:52.07 | blackswan | awk '/Failed/ {print $11}' |
| 21:52.19 | blackswan | for starters |
| 21:52.42 | blackswan | i may have miscounted |
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| 21:53.16 | peaveyman | ImaLamer: no joy, same error, invalid signature |
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| 21:53.45 | ImaLamer | blackswan: that's a start, ty |
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| 21:53.58 | ImaLamer | peaveyman: well what in the actual f |
| 21:54.14 | blackswan | sed -n 's/.*Failed.*\([0-9]*\)\.\([0-9]*\)\.\([0-9]*\)\.\('[0-9]*\).*/\1.\2.\3.\4/p' |
| 21:54.28 | blackswan | might also work, and be somewhat more reliable if the format changes |
| 21:54.33 | ImaLamer | used this too; cat ssh.log | fmt -1 | egrep -E '[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}' | sort -u |
| 21:54.39 | peaveyman | ImaLamer: actual f? |
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| 21:54.50 | ImaLamer | won't say what the f is |
| 21:55.36 | peaveyman | ImaLamer: PM me |
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| 21:56.15 | jordanm | ImaLamer: sed -r 's/.*sshd\[[0-9]+\].+Failed password.*?[[:space:]]([0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}).*$/\1/g' |
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| 21:57.33 | jordanm | blackswan: although it wasn't specified in the question, he probably also wants "sshd" to be there |
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| 21:58.03 | ImaLamer | I already created a file using grep matching SSH |
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| 21:58.48 | jordanm | ImaLamer: you can use mine directly on the syslog file, same with blackswan's if you just add the sshd |
| 21:59.22 | jordanm | if you are also wanting to do more with the data (eg sort, count entries, etc), its better to just use awk |
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| 22:00.20 | ImaLamer | can i use regex with awk? |
| 22:00.24 | blackswan | awk '/sshd/ && /Failed/ {print $11}' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr |
| 22:00.27 | ectospasm | ImaLamer: yes |
| 22:00.37 | blackswan | yes, the // takes a regex inside |
| 22:00.44 | jordanm | blackswan: awk can do the sorting, and the uniq |
| 22:00.48 | ImaLamer | ah kk |
| 22:00.49 | blackswan | awk '/sshd.*Failed/ {blah}' |
| 22:01.07 | blackswan | awk can do the sorting, but piping it to sort is easier to type quickly. |
| 22:01.22 | jordanm | easier yes, but it will be a bit slower if we are talking GBs of logs |
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| 22:01.52 | blackswan | if we are talking GBs of logs, i would think sort would do a better job at sorting than awk holding all that in memory |
| 22:02.00 | ImaLamer | the log is just the OSSEC responses, so not large |
| 22:02.12 | ImaLamer | sorting not needed |
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| 22:04.22 | ImaLamer | fyi; awk '/Failed/ {print $11}' ssh.log > IPs --- gave me the best results however some usernames mixed in, which I can remove in OpenOffice Calc easily enough |
| 22:04.24 | blackswan | i like doing crazy things in one command with awk, sort, join, uniq, sed, and process substitution |
| 22:04.51 | ImaLamer | blackswan: here is my root password then.... ;) |
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| 22:05.04 | ImaLamer | wait, that defeats the whole purpose of this exercise |
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| 22:05.44 | JzaLappy | hi I have a process I want to analyze is there a way I can get more info about it more than top, like if a script is calling it |
| 22:05.58 | JzaLappy | top shows me perl consuming quite a bit of memory |
| 22:06.05 | JzaLappy | but I want to know who is calling it |
| 22:06.49 | JzaLappy | any ideas? |
| 22:07.11 | blackswan | pstree |
| 22:07.20 | blackswan | or use ps -l to get the parent processid |
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| 22:07.31 | blackswan | i think it's -l |
| 22:07.34 | JzaLappy | blackswan: ok |
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| 22:07.41 | itchi_ | JzaLappy: Look for htop, that's a ncurse interactive top replacement. Which has a tree view and more |
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| 22:08.31 | JzaLappy | itchi_: thanks I now htop but I dont see it right away perhaps I need to find more advanced commands in it |
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| 22:09.09 | itchi_ | JzaLappy: The bottom bar shows the keys to press |
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| 22:12.25 | bool | after a reboot my /tmp that is mounted as tmpfs still contains 1.6GB of data when using "df", but a "du -sh /tmp/" only shows some megabytes, how come? |
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| 22:13.52 | blackswan | bool, that could be due to a file that was removed while a process had it open |
| 22:13.57 | ImaLamer | can I use the awk print directive to print based on a regex (yeah, me again) |
| 22:14.06 | blackswan | the space won't be reclaimed until the last reference to the file goes away |
| 22:14.17 | blackswan | df would see it, but du wouldn't |
| 22:14.19 | bool | blackswan, i did a reboot |
| 22:14.44 | blackswan | yeah, i can't explain that part. |
| 22:14.52 | bool | exactly |
| 22:15.04 | blackswan | but a process could fill up a 1.6GB file in tmpfs pretty fast i imagine |
| 22:15.15 | blackswan | maybe it happened after the reboot but before you did the df |
| 22:15.19 | blackswan | somehow |
| 22:15.29 | blackswan | otherwise, something freaky and beyond my ken is going on |
| 22:15.49 | bool | i also created a new empty partition of 500 gb ext4.. i have not filled it with any data yet, but "df" tells me it is using 7.7G |
| 22:16.16 | bool | something must be wrong with df |
| 22:16.18 | ectospasm | bool: some is reserved by the system |
| 22:16.22 | blackswan | yeah that |
| 22:16.33 | bool | ectospasm, but 7.7 GB?! |
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| 22:16.54 | blackswan | 5% |
| 22:17.01 | blackswan | but my df doesn't report that. |
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| 22:17.14 | blackswan | idk. gtg. |
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| 22:17.47 | bool | /dev/sdc2 500G 7.7G 467G 2% /data |
| 22:18.03 | bool | it does not contain more than 120MB of actual data |
| 22:18.39 | ectospasm | bool: 5% of 500 == 25GB |
| 22:18.47 | ectospasm | if my math is right |
| 22:18.54 | ectospasm | no |
| 22:18.56 | ectospasm | 20GB |
| 22:19.04 | bool | that still isnt 7,7 |
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| 22:19.25 | ectospasm | bool: up to 25GB |
| 22:19.30 | ectospasm | er, |
| 22:19.31 | ectospasm | 20GB |
| 22:19.41 | ectospasm | I'm batting 0 for 500 |
| 22:19.42 | bool | for inode table? |
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| 22:20.05 | ectospasm | I don't know, it's just reserved by the system |
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| 22:20.24 | ectospasm | as in, don't try to reclaim it |
| 22:20.38 | simonlnu | 5% for root |
| 22:20.40 | bool | and 5% of 500 is 25 |
| 22:20.41 | ectospasm | if you need to, you can us du to find it |
| 22:20.42 | bool | btw |
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| 22:20.57 | ectospasm | bool: yep. I'm delirious again |
| 22:21.28 | simonlnu | yeh i know, it doesn't make sense unless it was changed. |
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| 22:22.03 | bool | du -h /data still does not show 7.7 gb |
| 22:22.07 | bool | only 120M |
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| 22:22.47 | ectospasm | the system stuff won't show up in du, now that I think of it |
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| 22:42.31 | peaveyman | Ok, when I run sudo os-prober I get no output at all |
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| 22:43.06 | ectospasm | dual booting is so passé |
| 22:43.22 | freeminds | Where can I see with which cflags the binaries have been compiled? |
| 22:43.57 | peaveyman | it may be but I still need back in my windows install at some point |
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| 22:44.45 | JessicaW | hi, is there a permissions command when you mount a hdd from live cd? |
| 22:44.51 | JessicaW | for rw that is |
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| 22:45.25 | ectospasm | JessicaW: you want to look at permissions (ls -l), or change them (chmod...)? |
| 22:45.34 | bool | what is the default options of mkfs.ext4 ? |
| 22:45.36 | JessicaW | I want to delete a file |
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| 22:45.50 | JessicaW | I can't chmod or rm from live cd |
| 22:46.07 | ectospasm | JessicaW: did you mount the chroot? |
| 22:46.30 | ectospasm | JessicaW: oh, you mean a file *on* the LiveCD? The ISO is read-only |
| 22:47.00 | JessicaW | ectospasm: no. you had it right the first time. and... I dunno. I used mount /dev/sda1 /temp |
| 22:47.47 | JessicaW | ectospasm: I screwed up and created a file in /proc/sys/net/ipv4 and I can't remove it. I can't stop networking either. |
| 22:48.03 | ectospasm | JessicaW: what does "echo $UID" return? If it's not 0, then you're not root |
| 22:48.20 | JessicaW | i used sudo |
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| 22:48.35 | JessicaW | ectospasm: should I sudo -i first? |
| 22:48.36 | ectospasm | JessicaW: so reboot, /proc is a special, in-memory only filesystem |
| 22:49.12 | JessicaW | ectospasm: yeah, I know. So how do I get rid of that file? |
| 22:49.17 | ectospasm | JessicaW: reboot |
| 22:49.18 | JessicaW | ectospasm: rebooting didn't help. |
| 22:49.23 | ectospasm | um |
| 22:49.39 | ectospasm | I dunno then |
| 22:49.47 | JessicaW | ectospasm: "touch ip_forward" |
| 22:49.57 | JessicaW | ectospasm: now I can't get rid of it! :) |
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| 22:50.15 | ectospasm | the file must persist somewhere, and it isn't going to persist across a reboot, or shouldn't. Not with a read-only LiveCD |
| 22:50.30 | ectospasm | or is this a LiveCD image on a USB drive with persistent storage? |
| 22:50.39 | JessicaW | ah, no, it's on the hard drive of my installation. I booted to live cd to see if I could get rid of it from there. |
| 22:50.53 | JessicaW | ectospasm: it |
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| 22:51.26 | pundit | into what file should i write "setxkbmap de,gr,il -option 'grp:lwin_toggle'"? Into xinitrc, .xsession, .xsessionrc? and with a trailing "&" (background process)? Where can i find a documentation for these configuration files? |
| 22:51.29 | JessicaW | ectospasm: erp... sorry. it's a full installation on hdd. I'm using the live cd because I couldn't get rid of it while it was running. seems I can't get rid of it using the live cd either. |
| 22:51.29 | ectospasm | what are the permissions of the file? |
| 22:51.39 | JessicaW | 744 |
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| 22:51.46 | ectospasm | owner? |
| 22:51.49 | JessicaW | root |
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| 22:52.16 | ectospasm | JessicaW: lsattr? maybe the immutable flag is set |
| 22:52.26 | JessicaW | one sec. |
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| 22:53.08 | simonlnu | pundit: .xsession and it's ok to background it unless you know for sure it does it on its own |
| 22:53.21 | simonlnu | pundit: except your wm, of course ;) |
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| 22:54.21 | JessicaW | ectospasm: inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 22:54.34 | pundit | simonlnu: thanks! and where can i find documentation on these files? |
| 22:55.07 | simonlnu | man them all to start |
| 22:55.29 | pundit | simonlnu: no manpages there |
| 22:55.44 | ectospasm | JessicaW: try "echo -n '0' > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 22:55.52 | simonlnu | man xsession |
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| 22:56.08 | bool | if i want to reformat a filesystem i can just rerun mkfs right? |
| 22:56.15 | ectospasm | bool: yes |
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| 22:57.55 | pundit | simonlnu: yes, man xsession. but fail to explain to me the difference between .xsession and .xsessionrc, for example |
| 22:57.58 | pundit | :( |
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| 22:58.38 | simonlnu | the rc is a debian thing, iirc. should probably have a doc bug filed. |
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| 23:00.22 | JessicaW | ectospasm: permission denied. tried sudo. permission denied |
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| 23:02.07 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: run it from a root shell |
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| 23:03.06 | simonlnu | pundit: anyway, it's for doing stuff like setting environment variables, and little "metadata" things like that |
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| 23:03.17 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: alternatively, you can place sudo after ">" |
| 23:03.34 | themill | GamezR2EZ: err... no |
| 23:03.35 | simonlnu | or run a sub-shell |
| 23:03.37 | ectospasm | JessicaW: sudo -i ... echo '0' > /proc/.... |
| 23:03.41 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: root shell seemed to work. |
| 23:03.51 | JessicaW | ectospasm: what result am I expecting? |
| 23:04.04 | simonlnu | sudo sh -c "command > file" |
| 23:04.27 | JessicaW | I sudo -i |
| 23:04.48 | JessicaW | then rm -f ip_forward.... permission denied. |
| 23:05.07 | ectospasm | JessicaW: try the echo |
| 23:05.43 | bool | when the linux is reserving space for root on a partition to allow administrative tasks... what kind of administrative tasks would that be? what kind of tasks do root need space for? |
| 23:06.10 | JessicaW | ectospasm: it seems to have completed the command. no errors back at a prompt. |
| 23:06.11 | ectospasm | bool: for filesystem maintenance, primarily |
| 23:06.27 | pundit | simonlnu: ah, a Debian thing. Thanks! :) |
| 23:06.28 | peterrooney | bool: making notes on what needs to be done and what was done |
| 23:06.44 | ectospasm | JessicaW: type "echo /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"... if it returns 0 it worked |
| 23:06.53 | themill | JessicaW: you can't create or remove files in /proc like that. |
| 23:07.04 | bool | peterrooney, i hardly think root would need 5% of 500G to make notes |
| 23:07.24 | JessicaW | ectospasm: it returned the filepath |
| 23:07.26 | ectospasm | bool: have you ever heard of defragging an ext4 partition? |
| 23:07.27 | JessicaW | ectospasm: not 0 |
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| 23:07.40 | ectospasm | JessicaW: oops, sorry, replace 'echo' with 'cat' |
| 23:07.53 | bool | ectospasm, i guess that would be a good point |
| 23:07.55 | GamezR2EZ | themill: placing sudo after ">" does work, is there a reason it should not be done? |
| 23:08.01 | JessicaW | themill: I was following a tip from here :http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=131369 |
| 23:08.04 | nkuttler | bool: so make the reserved space smaller |
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| 23:08.14 | themill | GamezR2EZ: it doesn't work |
| 23:08.37 | GamezR2EZ | themill: im sorry, yo uare right |
| 23:08.51 | Nethox | > is shell redirection, whose process is owned by a non-root user |
| 23:09.06 | GamezR2EZ | No i got that when i acutally typed it out, im just tired |
| 23:09.20 | themill | JessicaW: nothing there is creating or removing files in /proc |
| 23:09.32 | JessicaW | ectospasm: it returned 0 |
| 23:09.45 | ectospasm | JessicaW: then ip_forward is disabled |
| 23:09.57 | ectospasm | ...but it may not survive a reboot |
| 23:10.08 | ectospasm | ...you may need to clear it in your iptables rules |
| 23:10.12 | JessicaW | themill: it said to echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 23:10.32 | themill | JessicaW: sure. That's not creating a file. |
| 23:10.34 | JessicaW | but, ip_forward wasn't there in the first place. it created it. |
| 23:10.50 | JessicaW | themill: *I not it. |
| 23:11.04 | ectospasm | > and >> will create the file if it doesn't exist |
| 23:11.20 | themill | you can't create files in /proc... |
| 23:11.53 | JessicaW | themill: I'm realizing that. I screwed up. I"m trying to fix it. |
| 23:12.11 | JessicaW | themill: and I created it with "touch ip_forward" |
| 23:12.16 | themill | no... |
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| 23:13.10 | simonlnu | it was already there |
| 23:13.32 | themill | either that or you're in a chroot and don't have /proc mounted so you're not actually doing anything at all |
| 23:13.33 | JessicaW | it was empty when i looked |
| 23:13.41 | simonlnu | it's there whether you touch it or not. it's generated in memory, from the kernel. |
| 23:13.52 | simonlnu | it's not a real filesystem |
| 23:13.57 | JessicaW | now it has a zero |
| 23:14.05 | GamezR2EZ | isnt in a virtual one that keeps info on running processes? |
| 23:14.16 | GamezR2EZ | it* |
| 23:14.17 | simonlnu | partly |
| 23:14.17 | JessicaW | so should I try to reboot now? |
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| 23:14.47 | JessicaW | themill: I'm in a live cd. |
| 23:15.08 | JessicaW | themill: bah. brb. i'm gonna try to restart it. |
| 23:15.28 | grusemil | hi all |
| 23:15.59 | grusemil | I edited the file \etc\netwotk\interfaces, but now the system doesn't prompt |
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| 23:16.14 | simonlnu | s,\,/,g |
| 23:16.41 | simonlnu | s,wotk,work, |
| 23:17.08 | ectospasm | simonlnu: oh, you don't like s/\\/\//g? (-; |
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| 23:17.43 | GamezR2EZ | picket fences look better |
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| 23:17.54 | simonlnu | why use / when anything else (not in the strings) would work? ;) |
| 23:18.14 | ectospasm | simonlnu: yeah, it was a lame attempt at a joke |
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| 23:19.00 | simonlnu | grusemil: you might as well continue asking in the other #debian |
| 23:19.33 | simonlnu | ectospasm: i don't always get the text-only jokes, it's ok |
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| 23:20.38 | JessicaW | it's working now.... collective fix? |
| 23:20.46 | ectospasm | hifive! |
| 23:20.53 | JessicaW | VERY NICE |
| 23:21.24 | JessicaW | I'm not sure if I feel dumber or smarter every time I come to IRC. :D |
| 23:21.32 | simonlnu | ^5 |
| 23:21.34 | JessicaW | I definitely learn something everytime. |
| 23:21.48 | ectospasm | in this channel, yeah, I tend to learn something every day |
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| 23:21.53 | ectospasm | in other channels... not so much |
| 23:22.01 | simonlnu | smarter, because you learned something, and more humble. |
| 23:22.21 | ectospasm | humility adds to wisdom, not intelligence |
| 23:22.29 | simonlnu | ;) |
| 23:22.48 | GamezR2EZ | i like you guys |
| 23:22.50 | JessicaW | here and #hpc... the ones that really keep me on my toes. |
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| 23:26.06 | bool | now suddenly df reports correct size of tmpfs which is 42M |
| 23:26.13 | bool | and not 1.6G |
| 23:26.21 | ectospasm | whee! |
| 23:27.08 | JessicaW | ok, here's another. how do I setup a simple gateway? |
| 23:28.01 | JessicaW | I have two nics, one is on at 172.16.0.0 subnet and the other is on 10.10.10.0 subnet. I can ping the 172.16.50 from a pc connected to the 10.10.10 but I can't ping past the eth0 |
| 23:28.11 | JessicaW | that's what caused all this mess in the first place. |
| 23:29.02 | lnxslck | to install debian is the 3 dvd needed? or one can just download dvd 1? |
| 23:29.10 | ectospasm | JessicaW: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianFirewall |
| 23:29.12 | JessicaW | am I looking for packet forwarding? |
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| 23:29.54 | GamezR2EZ | lnxslck: you can just download a cd. if you have an active internet connection you can download the business card iso which is 50mb |
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| 23:30.15 | JessicaW | ectospasm: i have firewall disabled currently. (for testing) |
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| 23:30.56 | lnxslck | GamezR2EZ, that does dvd 1 brings? |
| 23:31.10 | ectospasm | JessicaW: http://imranasghar.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-make-ubuntudebian-as-router.html |
| 23:31.22 | simonlnu | lnxslck: you can do it with a netinst cd. hell, you used to be able to use 3 floppies |
| 23:31.26 | ectospasm | that's not official, but it's the first google hit for "debian router" |
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| 23:32.01 | lnxslck | ok |
| 23:32.20 | simonlnu | wonders if the business card one is still being made |
| 23:32.23 | GamezR2EZ | lnxslck: its just additional packages. if you have an internet connection, i would get the cd |
| 23:32.30 | GamezR2EZ | simonlnu: it is |
| 23:32.31 | lnxslck | ok |
| 23:32.34 | simonlnu | a fast one, certainly |
| 23:32.36 | ectospasm | simonlnu: it is... I used it the last time I installed the wheezy alpha d-i |
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| 23:32.40 | simonlnu | *nods* |
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| 23:32.46 | lnxslck | GamezR2EZ, is testing good for daily usage? |
| 23:32.59 | JessicaW | ectospasm: hmmmm, it uses nat. will that affect the pc behind eth1 being able to access files on the pc it's connected to? |
| 23:33.18 | GamezR2EZ | lnxslck: sure? It depends on what you need it for. |
| 23:33.34 | simonlnu | bool: looks like the file got "let go" |
| 23:33.42 | ectospasm | JessicaW: explain. what is "the pc it's connected to"? Do you mean the router? |
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| 23:34.19 | ectospasm | essentially the router will act as a DHCP server, giving IP addresses (DHCP leases) to computers requesting IP addresses and related info on the interface you specify |
| 23:34.37 | bool | simonlnu, yeah, but it should do that when i rebooted |
| 23:34.46 | ectospasm | that LAN network will be an internal RFC 1918 address (unless you have your own public IP network to work with, but I doubt it) |
| 23:34.57 | simonlnu | bool: i know, that's why it confuzzled me |
| 23:35.28 | JessicaW | I have a computer running deb 6.0.5 with two nics. eth0 is connected to the router eth1 is connected to another computer. the second computer pulls it's OS from a diskless image via pxe boot and then NFS4. I want the second pc to be able to talk to the interwebs. |
| 23:35.30 | ectospasm | ...the PCs receiving DHCP leases will be able to access the router, and other PCs on the LAN. If you configure the routing right, they can even access the Internet, too |
| 23:35.31 | JessicaW | sorry about the book. |
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| 23:36.43 | ectospasm | JessicaW: hmm, you'll need two subnets, with the squeeze machine acting as a secondary router |
| 23:36.58 | simonlnu | if it's not over 4 lines on my screen, it's not a book ;p |
| 23:37.12 | JessicaW | ectospasm: yeah. i have 172.16.1.0 on eth0 and 10.10.10.0 on eth1 |
| 23:37.14 | ectospasm | ...then the second PC in your scenario will be able to connect through the debian box, to the Internet |
| 23:37.20 | JessicaW | simonlnu: lol |
| 23:37.41 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: are these /24 networks? |
| 23:37.51 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: yes |
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| 23:38.35 | GamezR2EZ | just setup the rules with the "route -n" command |
| 23:38.41 | GamezR2EZ | unless im missing something? |
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| 23:39.05 | JessicaW | I'm trying to nfs share something from a THIRD computer also on the 172 subnet to the second computer. :D |
| 23:39.56 | ectospasm | that gets tricker. |
| 23:40.31 | ectospasm | why not put the second PC on the same subnet as everything else, and have the diskless machine pull everything from what it needs to? |
| 23:40.44 | ectospasm | having the extra subnet sounds like you're over complicating things. |
| 23:41.06 | ectospasm | ...or, you'd have to add a route for the 10.10.10.0 network on the main border router |
| 23:41.06 | JessicaW | ectospasm: I tried that but then I get ARP errors when trying to PXE boot |
| 23:41.29 | ectospasm | so fix your ARP errors |
| 23:41.46 | JessicaW | ectospasm: couldn't it created a loop between eth0 and eth1 |
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| 23:42.45 | JessicaW | ectospasm: unless I ifdown eth0 |
| 23:42.52 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: I am a bit confused, have you added the appropriate route into the computer with 2 nics and the computer with 1 |
| 23:43.15 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: me too. :) and yes. at least I think so. |
| 23:43.20 | ectospasm | the way I understand it, PXE has to be on the same subnet |
| 23:43.43 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: can you post the output of "route -n" from both computers? |
| 23:43.45 | JessicaW | ectospasm: as the nic it's pulling from |
| 23:45.50 | ectospasm | JessicaW: you just set up a route from the diskless system to the 172 LAN |
| 23:46.20 | ectospasm | ...and maybe do some /etc/hosts fiddling so the diskless station can connect to the NFS server on 172.x.. |
| 23:46.54 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1205899/ |
| 23:47.56 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: bah. sorry. thought I was on deb. I use ubuntu for most of our workstations. debian is new to me but better for clustering from what I've read. |
| 23:47.56 | GamezR2EZ | what is the ip assigned to eth2? |
| 23:48.17 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: 10.10.10.1 |
| 23:49.02 | GamezR2EZ | so it appears you should be able to get out to the network from computer 2 |
| 23:49.25 | GamezR2EZ | is that not the case? |
| 23:49.40 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: nope |
| 23:50.16 | JessicaW | --- 4.2.2.2 ping statistics --- |
| 23:50.18 | JessicaW | 2 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 1006ms :) |
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| 23:50.29 | ectospasm | JessicaW: try traceroute |
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| 23:50.45 | JessicaW | ectospasm: gimme a minute. have to install it. |
| 23:51.06 | ectospasm | also, pastebin the output of "route" |
| 23:51.12 | ectospasm | ...on the Debian system |
| 23:51.44 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: "route add default gw 10.10.10.1 dev eth0" |
| 23:51.54 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: on computer 2 |
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| 23:52.28 | ectospasm | GamezR2EZ: but then she needs route add default gw 172... dev eth0 on Debian machine... |
| 23:52.55 | JessicaW | ectospasm: traceroute gets to 10.10.10.1 and times out. |
| 23:52.56 | GamezR2EZ | no, any connection going out will open that port and add it into the routing tables |
| 23:53.15 | ectospasm | GamezR2EZ: but remember, the Debian machine is acting as a router here |
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| 23:53.23 | JessicaW | they're both deb. the image for the second machine was created with debootstrap |
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| 23:53.42 | ectospasm | so there needs to be a route on the diskless station going through the debian machine, and there needs to be a route on the debian machine going to the 172 LAN |
| 23:53.50 | GamezR2EZ | she wont be able to get back into the 10.x network unless the connection originated from the 10.x |
| 23:54.04 | JessicaW | #gah. this is more a networking issue isn't it? |
| 23:54.11 | ectospasm | yes |
| 23:54.32 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: first we need to resolve that ping issue. it should be responding |
| 23:54.50 | JessicaW | agreed. |
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| 23:55.14 | JessicaW | does there need to be some kind of bridge between the two nics? |
| 23:55.22 | GamezR2EZ | no |
| 23:55.24 | JessicaW | what handles the routing? iptables? |
| 23:55.29 | ectospasm | traceroute will tell you which hop is failing |
| 23:55.36 | GamezR2EZ | this is a routing/iptables/firewall issue |
| 23:55.38 | ectospasm | JessicaW: no, the routing table |
| 23:55.40 | bool | got rid of the 7.7 GB used of a fresh formatted 500G drive by reducing the inode count to 128k |
| 23:55.55 | ectospasm | bool: I hope you know what you're doing |
| 23:56.14 | GamezR2EZ | ectospasm: now he can open the volumes on windows! |
| 23:56.22 | ectospasm | bool: you may have severely hampered performance later on |
| 23:57.06 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: 2 commands to follow, run them on "computer 1" |
| 23:57.21 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 23:57.32 | bool | ectospasm, i had a look at my other datadisk (movies, documents, music etc) and it only used 53000 inodes on a 1TB drive. i now have 128k for a 500G drive which is a ratio of 4 times more. i believe that should be enough |
| 23:57.35 | ectospasm | I say forget iptables for now |
| 23:57.40 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: iptables --append FORWARD --in-interface eth2 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:57.51 | bool | ectospasm, what kind of performance could be hampered? |
| 23:58.03 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: that will finish the forwarding setup, and your routes are in place |
| 23:58.10 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: my only option is nat? |
| 23:58.24 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: you are already nating |
| 23:58.44 | GamezR2EZ | JessicaW: you have a subnet behind 1 ip address 10.10.10.1, THAT is why NAT exists |
| 23:58.45 | ectospasm | bool: as the disk fills up, you might run out of inodes. Especially if it's a lot of little files. |
| 23:59.17 | ectospasm | ...then there's also the fragmentation issue |
| 23:59.24 | JessicaW | GamezR2EZ: well, I guess I should probably start iptables then? |
| 23:59.25 | ectospasm | but then again, I may not know what I'm talking about. |
| 23:59.27 | ectospasm | bbl |
| 23:59.43 | JessicaW | ectospasm: thanks for all the help |