IRC log for #debian on 20120915

`00:00.03`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JessicaW: just enter those commands to setup the rules, thats ALL you will need to mess with for iptables, no matter what happens`
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`00:00.13`	`bool`	`ectospasm, thats why i had a look at my other disk to ensure i would have enough. but what i dont understand is what it has to do with performance. either there is enough inodes or it isnt, but what does it have to do with performance?`
`00:00.31`	`GamezR2EZ`	`bool: research inodes, it will explain it very clearly`
`00:01.03`	`bool`	`i have calculated the inodes to be 4 times more than i actually need. i guess that would be ok?`
`00:01.13`	`GamezR2EZ`	`bool: short story (and inaccurate) is inodes will limit the number of files you can create`
`00:01.31`	`JessicaW`	`GamezR2EZ: okey dokey. thanks for the help. I'm calling it a night.`
`00:01.38`	`JessicaW`	`have a good weekend all`
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`00:02.03`	`bool`	`GamezR2EZ, i know, but thats why i set it to 4 times more than i am going to need.`
`00:02.28`	`GamezR2EZ`	`bool: No one said you are doing anything wrong, just be cautious.`
`00:02.38`	`GamezR2EZ`	`bool: i use 128k inodes myself`
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`00:03.19`	`bool`	`but even if i set the inode count to 1... how whould that be something to do with performance? i know i will only be able to make one file, but that doesnt mean it is performing bad`
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`00:04.44`	`bool`	`ectospasm, could you elaborate on the fragmentation issue? you mean that if i have a large file that needs to be splitted across multiple sections of a disk, it would result in more usage of inodes?`
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`00:06.40`	`ectospasm`	`bool: simply put, yes. fragmentation occurs when a large file's inodes are not contiguous.`
`00:07.11`	`ectospasm`	`...but if the filesystem has enough leeway (inodes, reserved space, etc.) that shouldn't ever be a problem.`
`00:07.34`	`ectospasm`	`again, I've only studied filesystems a little bit.`
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`00:09.20`	`bool`	`well, i guess i will be safe with 128k for a 500G disk. the other data disk i analyzed with 1TB and 50k inodes have never been defragmented.`
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`00:09.53`	`bool`	`this is not a server disk that has to store a trillion small files`
`00:10.08`	`bool`	`it is for movies, documents and mp3s`
`00:10.08`	`GamezR2EZ`	`bool: you will be fine, yes`
`00:10.26`	`bool`	`thats what i thought`
`00:10.28`	`bool`	`thanks`
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`00:11.36`	`GamezR2EZ`	`bool: again, it is just a warning. i have about 2million free inodes on my 1TB drive (128k inodes) and it is 90% full`
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`00:20.10`	`gnarface`	`can i pipe stdout from tar through udpcast and then untar it on all the receivers? will that work?`
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`00:22.56`	`tzarc`	`try it and report back?`
`00:22.58`	`bool`	`GamezR2EZ, for a 1TB drive i would have used 256k inodes, which would still be the double of what you are using`
`00:25.17`	`GamezR2EZ`	`bool: I used 128k for compatibility with ext2fsd and ext2ifs. I needed it at the time, havent reformated since. no need to i appears`
`00:26.21`	`nsadmin`	`bool, wouldn't that depend on the partition size rather than the drive size?`
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`00:28.00`	`bool`	`nsadmin, yes. i meant partition`
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`00:28.36`	`bool`	`256k per 1tb of personal data seems like good choice`
`00:28.42`	`bool`	`a`
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`01:01.25`	`Blue1`	`i am having issues the the gnome-screensaver not engaging - it worked fine yesterday. no updates, but does not engage. no error messages in .xsession-errors or system log`
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`01:02.18`	`GamezR2EZ`	`Blue1: do you have something open that is preventing the screen saver, like VLC?`
`01:02.46`	`Blue1`	`GamezR2EZ: I dont think so. nope vlc not open`
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`01:03.21`	`GamezR2EZ`	`Blue1: VLC is just one program that CAN do that, do you have others that could be possibly preventing the screensaver?`
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`01:03.56`	`Blue1`	`GamezR2EZ: usual fare -- firefox, thunderbird pidgin`
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`01:05.36`	`Blue1`	`GamezR2EZ: just for the halibut going to nuke dropbox`
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`01:08.21`	`Blue1`	`going to try gdm restart`
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`01:14.38`	`Blue1`	`GamezR2EZ: hmm seemed to have fixed it...`
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`01:16.58`	`GamezR2EZ`	`Blue1: restarting gdm?`
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`01:38.04`	`nickdaly`	`anyone ever seen the following? my system won't pick up an IP address: "ifup eth1" gives me "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" and "send_packet: Network is down" http://pastebin.com/Fq1sBDS6`
`01:38.38`	`nickdaly`	`I can't make any sense of Google's answers, the results seem to be all over the place.`
`01:39.00`	`GamezR2EZ`	`ive seen that on wlan links`
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`01:39.38`	`nickdaly`	`I get it for all the interfaces right nwo`
`01:39.56`	`GamezR2EZ`	`was it working previouls,y or is this a new install?`
`01:40.34`	`nickdaly`	`It's been running for a few months, till I restarted it after messing with dnsmasq`
`01:40.50`	`nickdaly`	`I've purged dnsmasq, but still no fixes`
`01:41.40`	`Blue1`	`GamezR2EZ: yeah must have gotten rid of something that was open I didnt inow about`
`01:41.43`	`blackshirt`	`nickdaly, look you have configured your eth0 and you try reconfigure again`
`01:42.46`	`nickdaly`	`eth0 was just a static IP to work as a DHCP server`
`01:43.44`	`nickdaly`	`/etc/network/interfaces is at http://pastebin.com/ewSMrwzA`
`01:45.10`	`blackshirt`	`nickdaly, are you using desktop/gnome or pure server version?`
`01:46.01`	`nickdaly`	`server only`
`01:46.37`	`nickdaly`	`The DreamPlug isn't built for Gnome`
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`01:48.33`	`blackshirt`	`nickdaly, what interfaces are you using, eth0 or eth1...or both of them?`
`01:48.57`	`nickdaly`	`eth1`
`01:49.12`	`nickdaly`	`I just want the bugger to get its own IP address at this point, keep it simple.`
`01:49.40`	`blackshirt`	`nickdaly, sorry, i can,t follow your pastebin link,..i'm on handheld devices`
`01:50.38`	`nickdaly`	`fair enough, thanks for trying, though.`
`01:51.27`	`nickdaly`	`it's weird, the error messages seem meaningless, and I can't find weird configuration I haven't taken out`
`01:53.11`	`blackshirt`	`for some reason, have you choose one of static or dhcp for your eth1 devices..? And try to restart networking services`
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`01:54.31`	`blackshirt`	`nickdaly, i think your eth1 have been configured and you try to if up them`
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`01:55.29`	`nickdaly`	`i'm reconfiguring a package now, I'll try bringing everything down and back up when it finishes. It's on a microSD card, so it's speedy like a backwards turtle`
`01:56.22`	`blackshirt`	`it doesn't matter :d`
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`02:01.42`	`nickdaly`	`the weird thing is that "ifconfig" doesn't recognize the interfaces`
`02:02.04`	`nsadmin`	`nickdaly, and ifconfig -a?`
`02:02.16`	`nickdaly`	`it does show them all`
`02:02.45`	`nickdaly`	`except eth1 doesn't have a broadcast address`
`02:02.49`	`nickdaly`	`weird`
`02:02.54`	`nsadmin`	`so, the ones not in ifconfig that are in ifconfig -a, have been brought down`
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`02:05.16`	`nickdaly`	`yup, that's all of 'em accounted for.`
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`02:06.52`	`nickdaly`	`ifconfig -a: http://pastebin.com/0Zw74BBt`
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`02:08.34`	`GamezR2EZ`	`did you 00 out the MAC address?`
`02:10.54`	`nickdaly`	`could you clarify a little?`
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`02:11.41`	`GamezR2EZ`	`"HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00"`
`02:11.46`	`GamezR2EZ`	`that shouldnt be 0`
`02:12.14`	`nickdaly`	`that's a good point. No, I didn't do that intentionally.`
`02:12.52`	`GamezR2EZ`	`im not sure WHY that is, but you hsould be able to set the mac address again`
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`02:13.35`	`nickdaly`	`yeah, I'm trying to find where. Don't recall. I've seen it, but never had to do it before.`
`02:13.50`	`GamezR2EZ`	`you can use macchanger`
`02:14.07`	`GamezR2EZ`	`or set it in /etc/network/interfaces "hwaddress ether 00:11:22:33:44:55"`
`02:14.32`	`nickdaly`	`some weird ifconfig juju does it too`
`02:14.37`	`jagginess`	`GamezR2EZ, hey that's a google mac! :)`
`02:14.59`	`nickdaly`	`there it is: ifconfig eth0 hw ether my:nu:ma:ca:dd:rs`
`02:15.22`	`GamezR2EZ`	`yes, i was talking about a permanant solution. you are right to test it first though`
`02:15.53`	`nickdaly`	`and that fixed it.`
`02:15.57`	`nickdaly`	`wow.`
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`02:16.15`	`un214`	`what's up with debian-multimedia`
`02:16.20`	`nickdaly`	`you guys rock. :)`
`02:16.26`	`GamezR2EZ`	`its because yo uhad 2 interfaces with the same MAC`
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`02:17.44`	`GamezR2EZ`	`I would be interested in finding out why that is missing, but i have never dug into how it was read and assigned in the first place`
`02:18.54`	`nickdaly`	`It's supposed to be factory assigned, IIRC, but I'm not surprised it was that screwed up. I'm doing a lot of odd things to this box.`
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`03:29.12`	`adrakoa`	`hi`
`03:29.34`	`GamezR2EZ`	`hi`
`03:31.13`	`gdea73`	`During setup, I was faced by a prompt asking me what additional software to install (i.e. web server, file server, graphical interface, etc.)`
`03:31.36`	`gdea73`	`I did not realize that the spacebar was used to check the boxes and not [Enter] and I forgot to install the web server I meant to. Is this menu accessible later?`
`03:32.04`	`GamezR2EZ`	`that is just a selection of packages, you can still install them all later`
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`03:33.52`	`gdea73`	`okay. I just thought the menu was a nice feature anyway.`
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`03:50.47`	`hedgehoginfog`	`Hi. How do I setup wpa from console if I don't have a passphrase. I only have the password the wireless point.`
`03:51.08`	`hedgehoginfog`	`and where do I put the password? /etc/network/interfaces?`
`03:52.51`	`nickdaly`	`gdea73: try running "tasksel", I think that's the one you're thinking of`
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`03:56.34`	`nickdaly`	`hedgehoginfog: you can do it that way, see https://github.com/NickDaly/freedom-maker/blob/master/source/etc/network/interfaces for an example`
`03:56.56`	`nickdaly`	`the commented-out uap0 interface does it that way.`
`03:57.29`	`hedgehoginfog`	`uap is wireless?`
`03:58.10`	`nickdaly`	`yeah`
`03:58.12`	`nickdaly`	`kinda`
`03:58.21`	`nickdaly`	`eth1 is usually the one you want`
`03:58.32`	`GamezR2EZ`	`or wlan0, no?`
`03:58.35`	`nickdaly`	`run "ifconfig -a" to find all the interfaces you have`
`03:58.43`	`neantpastel`	`a good way to go`
`03:58.58`	`nickdaly`	`wait, the example I sent you is if you want to host the wireless connection`
`03:59.08`	`nickdaly`	`you probably want to join a wireless network that's already there.`
`03:59.27`	`neantpastel`	`a good way to connect`
`03:59.47`	`SiDz`	`anyway to hide an interface from ifconfig`
`04:00.03`	`SiDz`	`i want to hide wlan0, mon.wlan0, and eth0, so i just see br0`
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`04:00.12`	`SiDz`	`and l0`
`04:00.24`	`SiDz`	`lo i mean`
`04:00.31`	`neantpastel`	`a good communication between computers after all`
`04:00.33`	`hedgehoginfog`	`it's a dhcp wirelss point to which I know the password.`
`04:02.02`	`hedgehoginfog`	`so, do I need to edit /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf?`
`04:03.25`	`hedgehoginfog`	`however DHCP gets timed out`
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`04:03.56`	`hedgehoginfog`	`just like it does with eth0 when you cable is not properly plugged`
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`04:04.18`	`GamezR2EZ`	`that is because you are not authenticating probably`
`04:04.25`	`hedgehoginfog`	`wrong password?`
`04:04.31`	`GamezR2EZ`	`or bad config`
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`04:04.56`	`hedgehoginfog`	`again: should the password be in /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf?`
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`04:05.11`	`GamezR2EZ`	`iirc, you can set this all in /etc/network/interfaces`
`04:06.05`	`GamezR2EZ`	`add the lines: wpa-ssid $SSID; spa-psk $PSK`
`04:06.11`	`GamezR2EZ`	`under your wireless interface`
`04:06.21`	`GamezR2EZ`	`obviosuly, replace the variables`
`04:07.17`	`hedgehoginfog`	`GamezR2EZ, should the name of the point be in quotation marks?`
`04:07.33`	`GamezR2EZ`	`if it has blank spaces, yes`
`04:07.42`	`GamezR2EZ`	`just through quotes on anyway`
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`04:08.02`	`hedgehoginfog`	`GamezR2EZ, is it spa-psk or wpa-spa-psk?`
`04:08.14`	`GamezR2EZ`	`sorry, typo`
`04:08.20`	`hedgehoginfog`	`so?`
`04:08.20`	`GamezR2EZ`	`it is wpa-psk`
`04:08.58`	`hedgehoginfog`	`and then ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0, right?`
`04:09.21`	`GamezR2EZ`	`after you verify, yes`
`04:09.30`	`hedgehoginfog`	`verify what?`
`04:09.54`	`GamezR2EZ`	`the information`
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`04:11.05`	`hedgehoginfog`	`still the same`
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`04:11.59`	`GamezR2EZ`	`what does iwconfig say?`
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`04:16.38`	`hedgehoginfog`	`GamezR2EZ, well, it show wlan0, says Encryption Key is off, Access Point: Not-Associated`
`04:17.30`	`GamezR2EZ`	`hedgehoginfog: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces please.`
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`04:18.47`	`hedgehoginfog`	`GamezR2EZ, http://paste.debian.net/189874/`
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`04:20.38`	`hedgehoginfog`	`the point is working properly; i've just connect to it from my phone`
`04:21.05`	`hedgehoginfog`	`i'm sure it's not the driver problem`
`04:21.16`	`hedgehoginfog`	`because lspci shows the correct driver is in use`
`04:21.46`	`hedgehoginfog`	`and all of the guided i've found on the web say i need to configure wpa_supplicant.conf`
`04:21.54`	`GamezR2EZ`	`i dont typically use the interfaces config to setup wpa, so we will do this manually so it works for you`
`04:23.35`	`GamezR2EZ`	ok, run `wpa_passphrase "$SSID" "$PSK"`
`04:24.38`	`GamezR2EZ`	`output should have a psk=(hexidecimal number)`
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`04:28.16`	`SiDz`	`any idea why since i use br0 (wlan0 eth0) wins don't resolv host anymore?`
`04:28.24`	`SiDz`	`when trying to smbmount`
`04:28.28`	`SiDz`	`it was working before!`
`04:28.52`	`jeep`	`SiDz: check /etc/resolv.conf`
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`04:29.16`	`SiDz`	`it was working witthout puting the host ip in resolv.conf`
`04:29.23`	`SiDz`	`with package winbind`
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`04:29.31`	`SiDz`	`and adding wins to /etc/nsswitch.conf`
`04:29.40`	`SiDz`	`in hosts line`
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`04:30.29`	`SiDz`	`but i just installed bridge utils and bridged wlan0 and eth0, radvd hostapd and wide-dhcp6-server and isc-dhcp-server everything work fine`
`04:30.44`	`SiDz`	`but my mount dont work anymore, i have to add options ip=10.20.5.10`
`04:30.57`	`hedgehoginfog`	`GamezR2EZ, hm..output is network = {ssid = ... psk = a very long hexadecimal}`
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`04:31.43`	`GamezR2EZ`	`hedgehoginfog: thats your config, save that wherever you want, the run spa_supplicant manually`
`04:31.51`	`GamezR2EZ`	`wpa_supplicant*`
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`04:32.30`	`SiDz`	`hoooooo i understand why!`
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`05:08.36`	`GNU`	`gawd I'm struggling here, I can't seem to get my damn microphone working in debian. I don't get it.`
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`05:09.30`	`GamezR2EZ`	GNU: make sure it isnt mute with `amixeramixer`
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`05:10.09`	`GamezR2EZ`	`GNU: im sorry im tired, that command is "alsamixer"`
`05:10.57`	`GNU`	`yup I tried that I did that and also I tried to test my recording device in audacity and it says that no recording device was found.`
`05:11.36`	`GamezR2EZ`	`alsamixer`
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`05:11.54`	`GamezR2EZ`	`F6 selects different sound cards`
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`05:13.35`	`GNU`	`I have default and HDA Intel`
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`05:21.33`	`GNU`	`hell I dunno`
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`05:31.35`	`g0dfrey`	`my rear microphone doesn't work but the front one can...so what should i do to have the rear one work?`
`05:31.36`	`kermoo`	`my rear microphone doesn't work but the front one can...so what should i do to have the rear one work?`
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`05:33.12`	`simonlnu`	`!tell root__ -about root`
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`05:34.15`	`SiDz`	`can't add wlan0 to bridge br0: Operation not supported`
`05:34.21`	`SiDz`	`any idea?`
`05:34.56`	`SiDz`	`i have that while its booting`
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`05:36.24`	`simonlnu`	`doesn't support bridging...`
`05:36.36`	`simonlnu`	`kinda obvious message there`
`05:36.51`	`SiDz`	`well it's added anyway`
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`05:37.22`	`simonlnu`	`then it's spurious, or something else isn't supported`
`05:37.33`	`SiDz`	`i just dont get why i have that error`
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`05:38.06`	`simonlnu`	`i'd blame the driver first`
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`05:49.25`	`g0dfrey`	`how to change alsa's default microphone to the rear one?`
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`05:51.02`	`nsadmin`	`you really want wlan0 on a bridge? that would mean all traffic that goes thru the bridge would also go to any warwalkers or anyone in your area with a wireless`
`05:51.39`	`zleslie`	`Trying to boot the netboot iso wheezy beta from a usb flash drive tells me that it can't proceed because it can't find the installer components`
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`05:52.20`	`SiDz`	`fixed it with pre-up iw dev wlan0 set 4addr on`
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`05:54.59`	`GNU`	`Hello all, I'm having issues with my microphone and have been struggling with it for the past few hours.`
`05:55.21`	`GNU`	`I just can't seem to record anything and use my microphone at all.`
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`05:56.53`	`GNU`	`I think I may have found something`
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`06:00.08`	`companion`	`bring me the porn!`
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`06:03.30`	`ajbiz11`	`idk, but it would be nice for T-MO users`
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`06:03.49`	`arietis`	`oh, nickserv is down`
`06:04.21`	`ajbiz11`	`how is NS down`
`06:04.33`	`arietis`	`check server channel`
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`06:05.46`	`nsadmin`	`it faww down go BOOM!`
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`06:18.18`	`nsadmin`	`is there a way to have my laptop sleep when I close the lid? squeeze kde`
`06:19.12`	`cardamon`	`nsadmin: gnome-power-manager has a setting for that. :P`
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`06:20.29`	`cardamon`	`I joke because I don't know KDE all that well.`
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`06:21.01`	`cardamon`	`Every time I install KDE I vomit uncontrollably until it's uninstalled. I think I'm allergic to shiny bezels.`
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`06:24.36`	`nsadmin`	`I don't mind either really, I wanted to see kde... I haven 't changed it to anything else yet`
`06:25.42`	`ompaul`	`nsadmin: did it work with anything else?`
`06:26.23`	`ompaul`	`imagines non-free firmware or firmware may be needed`
`06:26.31`	`nsadmin`	`I tried ubuntu some time ago, it worked for that`
`06:26.32`	`ompaul`	`note imagine`
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`06:27.06`	`meta-coder`	`freenode services down`
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`06:29.19`	`ompaul`	`meta-coder: if that was a question, answer yes`
`06:30.31`	`simonlnu`	`points to the GLOBAL NOTICE staff issued`
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`06:31.43`	`nsadmin`	`ready sleep`
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`06:37.54`	`meta-coder`	`looking forward to rock solid wheezy release`
`06:38.57`	`boudiccas`	`meta-coder: i've been using wheezy and XFCE now for 5 weeks and it hasnt failed me once, still rock-solid and stable`
`06:39.49`	Belial`	`boudiccas, using sid and xfce right now and trying to get this theme installed: http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&section=&global=1&q=naos#/d2m4fnb`
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`06:40.08`	Belial`	`but when i gunzip it, and move the contents to /usr/share/themes, it doesn't show up in options.`
`06:40.12`	Belial`	`what am i missing?`
`06:40.30`	`boudiccas`	Belial`: i havent bothered installing any new themes as i'm very happy with the default one, sorry
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`06:40.56`	Belial`	`i guess i'm just wondering if i'm missing anything as i did a minimum netinstall.`
`06:41.04`	`boudiccas`	Belial`: shouldnt it be in /lcal/.themes or wherever it is?
`06:41.12`	`boudiccas`	`local`
`06:41.26`	Belial`	`well, that's for the specific user. ~/.themes`
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`06:41.32`	Belial`	`system wide is /usr/share/themes`
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`06:41.39`	Belial`	`but i haven't tried doing it locally.`
`06:41.40`	`boudiccas`	`fair enough`
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`06:42.31`	Belial`	`when i unzip the file, it tells me the extracted file is a tar archive...but there's nothing to untar.`
`06:42.50`	Belial`	`other themes seem to install fine.`
`06:42.56`	`boudiccas`	`perhpas its a faulty download?`
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`06:43.58`	Belial`	`i guess that's possible. it's one of the reasons i was checking the comments section for the page it comes from. haven't seen any complaints.`
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`06:59.37`	`amartin`	`Hello guys`
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`07:13.14`	`Quibus`	`hi all`
`07:13.22`	`Quibus`	`[FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!`
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`07:13.38`	`Quibus`	`This happens since a few weeks on my system... any idea where I can see why it fails?`
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`07:16.07`	`boudiccas`	`Quibus: sudo service mysqld start, and then check in /var/log/dmesg for anything from it`
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`07:17.34`	`Quibus`	`boudiccas: there is nothing in dmesg about it`
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`07:20.34`	`Quibus`	`oh, right`
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`07:20.41`	`Quibus`	`syslog I forgot about`
`07:20.54`	`Quibus`	`there it gives failure messages, I'll pastebin`
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`07:21.13`	`boudiccas`	`Quibus: dont use pastebin, i avoid it, use dpase`
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`07:21.32`	`Quibus`	`http://pastebin.com/cCHxn6Ax`
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`07:21.36`	`Quibus`	`well, too late :P`
`07:21.41`	`Quibus`	`still, you can see what's in the syslog now`
`07:21.47`	`boudiccas`	`and i know nothing about mysql anyway, so i cant help you, but others may see it and comment on it for you`
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`07:23.08`	`Quibus`	`mysql experts, please take a look...`
`07:23.37`	`CQ`	`Quibus: look at packages.debian.org to find out in which package you can find mysqladmin and isntall it, its telling you it cant find it`
`07:23.54`	`Quibus`	`CQ: I thought the same, but then it seems to be a dependency bug`
`07:24.09`	`Quibus`	`Seems I need mysql-client-5.5`
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`07:29.12`	`Quibus`	`I filed a bug for it`
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`08:29.16`	`CQ`	`ravenz go with 64 bit esp if you have more than 4gb RAM... else it shouldn't matter much`
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`08:30.43`	`ravenzz`	`CQ considering that this vps has 512mb of RAM, I'd go for the 32bit so far`
`08:30.49`	`ravenzz`	`is that fine right?`
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`08:51.50`	`Quibus`	`see http://dpaste.com/801274/`
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`09:01.28`	`Quibus`	`If some MySQL expert wants to help, please check #687689`
`09:02.30`	`CQ`	`Quibus: try in #mysql ?`
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`09:02.57`	`Quibus`	`It seems Debian specific`
`09:03.49`	`SiDz`	`anyone got linux-igd to work?`
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`09:04.17`	`ansgar`	`Quibus: Purge mysql-server-5.0. The init.d script probably comes from there.`
`09:04.19`	`SiDz`	`upnp`
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`09:15.05`	`Quibus`	`ansgar: taht's a great idea`
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`09:15.39`	`Quibus`	`ansgar: well, now the whole init.d script is gone :-)`
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`09:17.05`	`Quibus`	`ansgar: I guess that solved it, thanks a lot! :-)`
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`09:22.54`	`smhar`	`greetings`
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`09:30.39`	`smhar`	`I have just got myself a Dell 5520 laptop with i5 and 8GB RAM. I installed amd64 netinst cd, but got no eth, no wifi. I had to manually download the ethernet driver from aanother computer then copy and dpkg -i it in the laptob.`
`09:30.54`	`smhar`	`I am still trying to get the wifi working.`
`09:32.00`	`smhar`	`but I experience sudden hanging f the system with no obvious reasons that only a hard off/on will solve. how can I trace the cause of it?`
`09:32.09`	`smhar`	`oh I am using wheezy`
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`09:35.40`	`CQ`	`I'm just rediscovering midnight commander... great tool!`
`09:36.27`	`CQ`	`smhar: with hangs, look at /var/log/syslog or dmesg and see what the kernel says...`
`09:36.50`	`needle`	`dmesg \| tail`
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`09:41.03`	`bool`	`i am using a GPT table on my disk, should I still place Grub2 in MBR?`
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`09:48.01`	`smhar`	`CQ, Norton Commander was one of the first 'applications' I ever used in computers back in 1991`
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`09:51.07`	`smhar`	`I am also having difficulty getting thunderbird -from mozilla.org- to install. I keep getting this error:`
`09:51.12`	`smhar`	`error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`09:51.19`	`smhar`	`the file is there as per locate`
`09:51.37`	`CQ`	`smhar jsut use iceweasel, its tbird in debian...`
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`09:52.23`	`CQ`	`err, icedove ... the other animal :)`
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`09:53.10`	`useless-eater`	`Hi, I just installed libreoffice on a pretty minimal debian. I doesnt seem to get all dependencies. Since when opened I get: Warning: failed to read path from javaldx ; terminate called after throwing an instance of 'com::sun::star::uno::RuntimeException'`
`09:53.36`	`useless-eater`	`Anyone knows how to fix?`
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`09:53.40`	`emk`	`Hi all. Is there a way I can allow access to SCP for someone (to a specific directory) without having to create a local user for them?`
`09:54.08`	`krababbel`	`bool: mbr and gpt are exclusive I believe`
`09:55.37`	`krababbel`	`bool: either you use gpt or mbr`
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`09:59.18`	`bool`	`apparently i need a bios boot partition`
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`09:59.53`	`ChrisH`	`bool: GPT used?`
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`10:02.31`	`bool`	`yes`
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`10:03.46`	`ChrisH`	`then you will need one... I needed to learn it at the end of the installation process while grub tried to install`
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`10:05.04`	`bool`	`I needed to learn it now after the install, because i just read that the cause of my grub loading so slow is that the /boot partition is stored on a different drive than my grub install`
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`10:05.36`	`bool`	`i have two harddrives. the first which my computer boots from and has grub in mbr. the second has linux`
`10:06.28`	`bool`	`and /boot`
`10:06.47`	`bool`	`apparently that makes grub load very slow`
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`10:07.18`	`ChrisH`	`I did install to 2 disks, two. but SW Raid 1 and missed to create a bios boot partition. grubfailed to install at all`
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`10:13.02`	`bool`	`ok... basically i need to somehow make a backup of my / partiton (except for /var /usr and /home)... then i need to delete the first partition and make one boot partition and then the rest for root. finally move all my backed up root files back`
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`10:13.50`	`bool`	`what directories do i need to make a backup of? do i need to make a backup of eg. /dev and /proc ?!`
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`10:14.21`	`Kira-T`	`Is it possible to keep a widget above all windows?`
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`10:16.16`	`ChrisH`	`bool: could you pastebin parted /dev/disk print from both and add a df -h`
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`10:20.18`	`bool`	`ChrisH: http://pastebin.com/YAxspey4`
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`10:23.01`	`bool`	`so i am basically crapped`
`10:23.21`	`bool`	`the easiest would probably be to reinstall debian`
`10:23.24`	`ChrisH`	`bool: how far are you with using and configuring that system? Would a new installation be an option? I assume that would be faster than the move option`
`10:23.55`	`bool`	`yes, i can reinstall the system. i have made notes of everything i have configured`
`10:24.15`	`bool`	`so it shouldnt be that hard, but still.. it does take some time :p`
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`10:24.46`	`bcv`	`bool: Cant you install grub on the 2nd hdd and ask bios to boot from the 2nd one ?`
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`10:25.24`	`ChrisH`	`bool: not hard to move... but faster...`
`10:25.25`	`bcv`	`you can boot the ntfs volume from 2nd one`
`10:25.25`	`bool`	`bcv: apparently not when i am using gpt for that drive`
`10:25.50`	`bool`	`i need a special "boot partition"`
`10:26.06`	`ChrisH`	`bool: you can boot from GPT, but need to create a bios partition there, too. but there you can backup /home and dump that partition and create 2 instead.`
`10:26.43`	`Andon`	`Really? I thought GPT was for EFI, not BIOS.`
`10:27.15`	`bool`	`Andon: gpt are basically for large harddrives and extra copies of the partition table. so safer`
`10:27.36`	`Andon`	`Yeah, I know what GPT is :)`
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`10:27.44`	`diabel`	`Hello Everybody`
`10:27.47`	`Andon`	`Created by Intel during their EFI spec.`
`10:28.07`	`bool`	`i am using gpt even if my hdd is just 60gb`
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`10:28.28`	`bool`	`thought it was cool and gpt are still better than mbr`
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`10:28.33`	`CQ`	`bool: true, 60gm is really large by 1994 standards ; )`
`10:28.33`	`bool`	`is`
`10:28.38`	`CQ`	`gb`
`10:28.40`	`diabel`	`Is there any reason to using debian-multimedia (aka deb-multimedia) in sources.list?`
`10:28.58`	`ChrisH`	`bool: this is my setup http://paste.debian.net/189889/`
`10:29.06`	`Andon`	`GPT is preferred on any system with EFI, anyway.`
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`10:29.21`	`blackshirt`	`diabel, if you concern on multimedia support`
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`10:30.56`	`diabel`	`blackshirt: but what kind of multimedia?`
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`10:31.03`	`bool`	`how can i tell my system has efi?`
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`10:31.54`	`bool`	`you are using 10mb for bios_grub?? i have read 1mb should be enough`
`10:32.33`	`kaosu`	`I would rather use more than end up needing more later on. Especially if it is only a 9MB difference.`
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`10:32.58`	`kaosu`	`If someone is hard up for 9MB, they are better off just buying a new drive and extending the LVM.`
`10:33.16`	`bool`	`yeah.. but moving from 34k to 10 mb just for a boot loader seems much, and boot loaders will probably learn how to handle gptdrives by that time`
`10:33.51`	`dutchfish`	`Andon, How did you overcome the fact that there is no official MBR-to-partition handover protocol defined for booting from disks partitioned using GPT partition tables with BIOS-style firmware?`
`10:34.20`	`ChrisH`	`bool: I did not know how much I needed, so I used 10MB :)`
`10:34.23`	`bool`	`dutchfish: the first partition with bios_grub flag set`
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`10:34.43`	`dutchfish`	`bool, ah ok, thanks!`
`10:35.31`	`kaosu`	`I just carry around my /boot drive on my key chain. I am worried someone will try to poison an unencrypted /boot partition if it lived on my physical disk.`
`10:36.09`	`Andon`	`dutchfish: I don't have any computers that use BIOS`
`10:36.16`	`Andon`	`They're all EFI>`
`10:36.17`	`bool`	`kaosu: make a hashlist and check regularly`
`10:36.17`	`Andon`	`.`
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`10:36.35`	`dutchfish`	`Andon, ok, fair enough, i still have to coop with it.`
`10:36.38`	`ChrisH`	`Andon: what kind of CPU and what HW?`
`10:37.24`	`Andon`	`2 MacBook Pros, a new Intel LGA2011 box, and an Intel Atom N2800.`
`10:37.49`	`Andon`	`The Asus motherboard in my LGA2011 uses EFI instead of BIOS.`
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`10:39.03`	`ChrisH`	`Andon: I expected PA-Risc or IA-64 and HP-9000 :)`
`10:39.08`	`Andon`	`:P`
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`10:39.38`	`Andon`	`The Atom N2800 makes a decent file server though.`
`10:39.49`	`Andon`	`8 Watt max TDP`
`10:40.01`	`diabel`	`ChrisH: I've got HP-9000 / 785 / C3750, but without debian ...`
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`10:41.59`	`ChrisH`	`diabel: I tried debian-pa on L2000 4way, but it was pretty unstable. meanwhile these systems did not surive the office move.`
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`10:44.08`	`kaosu`	`I am forced into using Mozilla's ESR (10.X) of Iceweasel due to stability and compatibility issues with the 3.x main branch release. How quick is Mozilla when it comes to providing security updates to the ESR branch?`
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`10:44.55`	`kaosu`	`I wanted to stay within the Squeeze branch-line, so my best option was ESR, but I am curious how quickly it gets security updates in comparison to Mozilla's current releases.`
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`10:49.27`	`bool`	`i am having a asus p5e deluxe motherboard, do you think that is efi capable?`
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`10:53.42`	`Zumochi`	`bool: use google please...`
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`10:54.52`	`Zumochi`	`Now, I have my own question: I am trying to compile GCC 4.7.1, but when running 'make -k check', it keeps giving this fail: FAIL: gcc.dg/cproj-fails-with-broken-glibc.c execution test`
`10:55.04`	`Zumochi`	`As far as I know, I am using Debian Squeeze's default glibc...`
`10:55.09`	`Andon`	`bool, the p5q Deluxe has an EFI firmware.`
`10:55.29`	`Andon`	`I don't know about p5e`
`10:55.32`	`Zumochi`	`bool: http://forum.efi-x.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=8134`
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`10:55.45`	`Iridos`	`haha "use google please... now I got my own question to ask"`
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`10:56.20`	`Zumochi`	`>:D`
`10:56.21`	`Zumochi`	`yes`
`10:56.27`	`Zumochi`	`I googled around for quite a while you know`
`10:56.34`	`Zumochi`	`Before I came to ask here...`
`10:56.50`	`bool`	`thanks. i tried to google myself, but the asus site did not open`
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`10:57.25`	`bool`	`i also did a dmidecode to see if i could grab some info from there`
`10:57.47`	`Iridos`	`I got a question... why the heck are you trying to compile gcc anyway`
`10:57.56`	`Iridos`	`judd, versions gcc`
`10:57.57`	`judd`	`Package: gcc on i386 -- lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; sid: 4:4.7.1-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.1-1`
`10:58.02`	`Zumochi`	`haha`
`10:58.07`	`Iridos`	`oh, you're backporting the one from wheezy?`
`10:58.18`	`Zumochi`	`euh, no`
`10:58.33`	`Zumochi`	`there are some programs that can only be properly compiled with 4.7.1 :\`
`10:58.49`	`Iridos`	`well, so you ARE backporting the one from wheezy`
`10:59.01`	`Zumochi`	`okay yes ;_;`
`10:59.24`	`Zumochi`	`but another reason is that it's giving me good practice lol.`
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`10:59.31`	`Zumochi`	`I'm fairly new into linux (couple of months now)`
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`11:00.03`	`Iridos`	`well, then... did you follow this?`
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`11:00.06`	`Iridos`	`dpkg, ssb`
`11:00.06`	`dpkg`	`First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.`
`11:00.47`	`Zumochi`	`I did not, and on purpose`
`11:01.08`	`Zumochi`	`I want to try to succesfully compile it myself`
`11:01.17`	`Iridos`	`well, so you wanted misery and you got it and why are you here complaining?`
`11:01.31`	`Zumochi`	`I am not complaining?`
`11:01.33`	`Iridos`	`and actually using the package for the backport, you still compile it "for yourself"`
`11:01.36`	`Iridos`	`dunno, asking :P`
`11:01.41`	`Iridos`	`same difference`
`11:01.46`	`Zumochi`	`:x`
`11:01.52`	`Zumochi`	`but in any way`
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`11:02.04`	`Zumochi`	`why does it say that glibc is broken?`
`11:02.10`	`kaosu`	`Well, not be to rude, but if you're trying to make it harder on yourself by "figuring it out myself" then is it not pointless to come here asking for help?`
`11:02.15`	`tremon`	`Zumochi: it doesn't`
`11:02.18`	`kaosu`	`That is a contradiction to your underlying point.`
`11:02.56`	`tremon`	`it says that cproj builds fail because of a glibc issue`
`11:03.32`	`Iridos`	`kaosu, that was exactly what I was trying to say... thanks for phrasing it more distinctly :)`
`11:03.45`	`Zumochi`	`:v`
`11:03.58`	`Zumochi`	`Because I've been stuck for quite a while now`
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`11:04.43`	`tremon`	`that does not necessarily mean that your current glibc is broken (the test could be injecting a glibc fault to test cproj's resilience)`
`11:04.45`	`Zumochi`	`asking for help isn't a bad thing`
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`11:04.50`	`Zumochi`	`I see`
`11:05.18`	`tremon`	`but these kind of questions are probably best asked in #gcc`
`11:05.31`	`tremon`	`have you at least tried the dpkg-build to see if it fails the same way?`
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`11:05.52`	`Zumochi`	`nope :v`
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`11:06.15`	`l23`	`hey, just encountered a kernel BUG "at /build/buildd-linu`
`11:06.16`	`l23`	`x_3.2.23-1-amd64-zj7gxu/linux-3.2.23/fs/btrfs/extent-tree.c:5797!" invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP`
`11:06.16`	`l23`	`so I'm now wondering, should I restart the machine to prevent further damage or is it safe to go on and search for the origin of the bug?`
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`11:06.35`	`g00se`	`Just been using latest wheezy installer. In package management it talks about 'release updates' on the same page as security updates. Does that mean apt has some kind of new config?`
`11:06.41`	`kaosu`	`Also, you should keep in mind that if you are not doing proper backporting, when it came time to upgrade from, for example, current stable to new stable, you're likely going to be left forced to reinstall, or a ton of headaches.`
`11:06.43`	`tremon`	`l23: depends... what data is on your btrfs partition?`
`11:06.53`	`l23`	`important data..`
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`11:07.11`	`tremon`	`l23: reboot, backup, then go bughunting`
`11:07.15`	`tremon`	`;)`
`11:07.17`	`l23`	`kk, thanks`
`11:08.42`	`l23`	`do you think its likely the bug corrupted something?`
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`11:09.29`	`tremon`	`l23: it doesn't look like it, the message is about a failed instruction, not corrupted data. But one doesn't preclude the other`
`11:09.30`	`kaosu`	`With bugs like that, it is always best to assume to worst and make proper backups under the assumption of sudden and probable failure.`
`11:10.06`	`kaosu`	`While I doubt your in any danger of sudden failure, if the data is important enough, it is best to always operate under that assumption.`
`11:10.20`	`kaosu`	`you're, even.`
`11:11.07`	`l23`	`hm, it doesnt react to a shutdown -r now`
`11:11.24`	`l23`	`but init 1 works, at least`
`11:11.29`	`tremon`	`l23: you have two options: do a backup before reboot, in the off chance the superblock is corrupted, or do a backup now. But if the in-memory structures are corrupted, doing a backup now is likely to make things worse`
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`11:12.18`	`l23`	`hm`
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`11:12.51`	`l23`	`btw, the btrfs is just the home partition, I'm now in runlevel one, should I unmount it?`
`11:13.23`	`tremon`	`if you couldn't reboot, it's likely you won't be able to unmount it either`
`11:13.27`	`l23`	`and is there any way to check whether the superblock is still consistent`
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`11:14.03`	`l23`	`hm`
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`11:14.25`	`tremon`	`if there is such a thing as btrfsck yet, try it with some -n argument (check only, no modifications)`
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`11:15.04`	`tremon`	`l23: most likely, your data is fine. my first response is what I would do (reboot first), but there are no guarantees`
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`11:17.17`	`l23`	`oha, just did a "di", it tells me some input output error for one of my external harddrives, so its probably more likely that that the error is corresponding to that drive, and not the home partition ?`
`11:17.34`	`kaosu`	`Yeah. The best route would be to reboot, then backup, and then attempt to figure it out. Rebooting, while it has a very minor risk, is still better than causing more significant damage by trying to back up the data right now.`
`11:17.48`	`l23`	`ok, I'll do now`
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`11:18.08`	`l23`	`if it would work..`
`11:18.40`	`l23`	`now my only terminal in runlevel one is blocked by the shutdown command..`
`11:18.54`	`l23`	`should I cut the power, or is there any better way?`
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`11:19.22`	`sneex`	`cut power -- runlevel is disk sync'ed`
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`11:19.36`	`sneex`	`runlevel one*`
`11:19.45`	`l23`	`kk, thx`
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`11:20.37`	`Mogget`	`I have a script that I want to be executed while booting up and shutting down. What should I be looking into to be able to ddo this? I have been working rc.local which I think it the correct way for boot up, but not for shutdown.`
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`11:22.13`	`tremon`	`l23: alt-sysrq-s, alt-sysrq-u, then alt-sysrq-b (emergency sync, emergency umount, reboot)`
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`11:23.37`	`l23`	`okay, it boots fine, no errors`
`11:24.12`	`sneex`	`Mogget: see the difference in runlevels? S versus K ?`
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`11:27.19`	`metaphysician`	`"nm.debian.org uses an invalid security certificate."`
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`11:27.57`	`Mogget`	`sneex: i don't see them, but I have heard of them I think.`
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`11:28.36`	`sneex`	`Look in # /etc/rc6.d`
`11:29.05`	`sneex`	`metaphysician: how are you accessing https://nm.debian.org`
`11:29.18`	`sneex`	`it looks good to me`
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`11:31.16`	`tremon`	`metaphysician: not running debian?`
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`11:32.55`	`metaphysician`	`right, not in debian atm`
`11:33.40`	`tremon`	`ok. The debian security certificates are signed by the SPI root certificate, which isn't in all browsers iirc`
`11:34.11`	`sneex`	`# openssl s_client -connect nm.debian.org:443 -showcerts ???`
`11:34.16`	`tremon`	`not all certs, I guess`
`11:34.50`	`sneex`	`self signed`
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`11:37.18`	`vampi-the-frog`	`hi guys. I'm trying to get sound to work with multiple applications at once, right now it's only one app at a time. any ideas what I can do?`
`11:37.25`	`vampi-the-frog`	`running squeeze amd64`
`11:39.21`	`tremon`	`most likely, you're using alsa and the card doesn't support hardware mixing?`
`11:39.30`	`Brigo`	`vampi-the-frog: are you using pulseaudio?`
`11:39.47`	`vampi-the-frog`	`the card is an USB card that worked fine before`
`11:39.53`	`vampi-the-frog`	`how do I check if I'm using pulseaudio?`
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`11:40.16`	`Brigo`	`ps ax\|grep pulse`
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`11:41.50`	`Brigo`	`vampi-the-frog: so it looks like you are using it. I dont know why you have mixing problems ...`
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`11:42.21`	`Brigo`	`you can try to adjust pulseaudio with pulseaudio-manager.`
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`12:05.36`	`tremon`	`rkh: have you tried apt-get source chkrootkit?`
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`12:14.06`	`g00se`	`Can someone remind me what the login manager is for xfce4 (in wheezy pref.)?`
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`12:14.50`	`abrotman`	`gdm3 doesn't work ?`
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`12:16.41`	`g00se`	`I installed xfce4 and apparently haven't got one`
`12:17.10`	`abrotman`	`so install gdm3 or any other that you think might work`
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`12:18.31`	`g00se`	`But is that the one that is meant to be installed? I recently installed on another architecture and didn't have this problem`
`12:18.52`	`abrotman`	`i'd just install gdm3`
`12:19.07`	`g00se`	`The one it installed looked light and in keeping with xfce4`
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`12:20.01`	`ansgar`	`g00se: You want to look at task-xfce-desktop.`
`12:20.54`	`tremon`	`g00se: otherwise, you can apt-cache search "display manager" and choose from the options presented`
`12:21.45`	`g00se`	`ansgar: Ah right. I was unsure whether to go for tasks or meta-packages`
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`12:24.05`	`rkh`	`tremon: thanks.`
`12:24.32`	`rkh`	`i've found the tar.gz in the dir on the repository server`
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`12:57.02`	`guest1`	`let's chat`
`12:57.40`	`ompaul`	`guest1: have you a debian question?`
`12:58.04`	`guest1`	`my touchscreen doesn't work...`
`12:58.14`	`abrotman`	`guest1: in what OS?`
`12:58.35`	`guest1`	`debian stable`
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`12:58.55`	`guest1`	`wait ...`
`12:59.24`	`guest1`	`debian-6.0.5-i386-DVD-1.iso，stable版,/cat /proc/bus/input/devices:`
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`12:59.48`	`guest1`	`e, sorry I am not good at english.`
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`13:00.02`	`guest1`	`/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-evtouch.conf:`
`13:00.04`	`ompaul`	`guest1: uname -a please`
`13:00.17`	`guest1`	`Section "InputDevice"`
`13:00.18`	`guest1`	`Identifier "touchscreen"`
`13:00.18`	`guest1`	`Driver "evtouch"`
`13:00.18`	`guest1`	`Option "Device" "/dev/input/event7"＃这个数字来回变过，但同样没反应。`
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`13:00.29`	`abrotman`	`saw that coming ..`
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`13:00.50`	`sneex`	`><`
`13:00.58`	`ompaul`	`abrotman: it was kind of obvious`
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`13:07.18`	`guest1`	`uname -a`
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`13:10.12`	`Zeeflo`	`hello.`
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`13:10.26`	`Zeeflo`	`I accidently deleted a .conf file in a user dir.. Can I recover it?`
`13:10.28`	`guest1`	`and ...`
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`13:11.10`	`tx0h`	`hello,i have problems with bug #680153 - this got reported in being of july. what are the lib people up to?`
`13:11.25`	`sneex`	`Zeeflo: which file?`
`13:11.34`	`Zeeflo`	`an eggdrop.conf file`
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`13:11.52`	`Zeeflo`	`the eggdrop is still running..`
`13:12.00`	`Zeeflo`	`but i accidently deleted the conf file`
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`13:12.28`	`guest1`	`if you have a hard link of this file ...`
`13:12.43`	`Zeeflo`	`do i have a hard link of that file?`
`13:13.06`	`sneex`	`Zeeflo: redownload Eggdrop ?`
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`13:13.22`	`Zeeflo`	`nono.. it would be easier to just reconfigure the conf file..`
`13:13.28`	`tremon`	`Zeeflo: if eggdrop has the .conf still open, you can retrieve it from /proc/<pidof eggdrop>/fd/`
`13:13.30`	`guest1`	`Zeeflo: sorry, I am new player, I just guess.`
`13:13.33`	`Zeeflo`	`im asking if i can recover the deleted file`
`13:13.42`	`Zeeflo`	`tremon, trying now`
`13:13.53`	`tremon`	`but in general, conffiles are only opened at startup and not read thereafter`
`13:14.29`	`abrotman`	`Zeeflo: was it a package?`
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`13:15.05`	`tremon`	`Zeeflo: there is an ext2undelete, but for other filesystems you are out of luck. If the file isn't overwritten, it's theoretically possible but it will take many hours to recover it (you need a hex editor and in-depth knowledge of the filesystem)`
`13:15.43`	`Zeeflo`	`jt`
`13:15.46`	`Zeeflo`	`its reiserfs`
`13:15.59`	`Zeeflo`	`abrotman, no, compiled`
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`13:16.06`	`tx0h`	`sighs`
`13:16.39`	`guest1`	`How can we creat a hard link to a file which is deleted...`
`13:17.25`	`Zeeflo`	`is there no way I can see the configuration the eggdrop is currently running on?`
`13:17.34`	`Zeeflo`	`the /proc/pid/fd contains nothing`
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`13:17.40`	`abrotman`	`Zeeflo: perhaps you should ask #eggdrop`
`13:17.40`	`Zeeflo`	`nothing of use anyways`
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`13:18.53`	`guest1`	`is there any software like finaldate or easyrecovery on linux ?`
`13:19.12`	`g00se`	`Thanks folks`
`13:21.01`	`Iridos`	`err, you can never recover stuff from /proc/<pidof eggdrop>/fd/, it's all soft-links`
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`13:21.40`	`guest1`	`any one can read chinese here ? I meet a problem ... bbs.chinaunix.net/thread-3769901-1-1.html`
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`13:23.06`	`z0rr0`	if `strings /sbin/init\|egrep HOME` returns something, does that really means that the system is infected by the Suckit rootkit? or could it be a false positive?
`13:23.18`	`z0rr0`	`*mean`
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`13:24.13`	`Iridos`	`tremon, I mean ... tab-fail`
`13:24.24`	`Iridos`	`(no, didn't complete to "err")`
`13:24.55`	`Iridos`	`dpkg, cn`
`13:24.56`	`dpkg`	`如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作!`
`13:25.01`	`Iridos`	`them guys can`
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`13:25.11`	`tremon`	`Iridos: hmm, I thought there was a way to identify the file's inode from an open file descriptor`
`13:25.14`	`Iridos`	`ha, it's zh, amazing what we learn on a sunny saturday`
`13:25.41`	`guest1`	`dpkg, cn`
`13:25.41`	`dpkg`	`如果您想得到中文的帮助，请您移步本服务器上的#debian-zh频道，进入方式是在您现在输入文字的输入框中输入"/join #debian-zh" （不含引号），谢谢您的合作如果您想要得到中文的協助，請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道，加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號)，謝謝您的合作!`
`13:25.47`	`guest1`	`dpkg, jp`
`13:25.48`	`dpkg`	`Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here.`
`13:26.08`	`tremon`	`hence saving it from destruction before it got unlinked`
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`13:28.26`	`guest1`	`(21时29分56秒) ##debian-zh 上的用户数：@ChanServ guest1 ... only me...`
`13:28.57`	`tremon`	`z0rr0: if you get a positive match for that command, your system is not running the debian-provided init`
`13:29.07`	`prometoys`	`hi, i broke my bootloader (yaboot, ibook, debian ppc, squeeze) only way to boot is network, because my cdrom is broken, can i set up the tftp server on a fedora machine?,`
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`13:29.48`	`tremon`	`prometoys: you should be able to use any standards-conforming tftp server`
`13:30.02`	`z0rr0`	`tremon: do you mean that there're legit cases for the init file to contain that string ? ( "HOME" )`
`13:30.13`	`in0cula`	`hi, I get internet via wifi, i would like to share the internet via eth0, cuold you please help me out on this?`
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`13:30.21`	`guest1`	`dpkg, ?`
`13:30.21`	`dpkg`	`guest1: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about`
`13:30.22`	`guest1`	`dpkg, abc`
`13:30.41`	`tremon`	`z0rr0: no, I mean that there are no debian-built versions of /sbin/init that contain that string`
`13:31.12`	`prometoys`	`tremon, thanks`
`13:31.43`	`z0rr0`	`tremon: according to chkrootkit source files, the program checks for that string in the init file. If it finds it it means that the system is infected by the Suckit rootkit`
`13:32.15`	`tx0h`	`hello,i have problems with bug #680153 - someone in here knows when we can get this thing solved?`
`13:32.33`	`tremon`	`z0rr0: then you should be asking the chkrootkit people, not #debian I guess`
`13:33.12`	`z0rr0`	`tremon: i'm simply asking to linux people here, to know if a false positive is possible`
`13:33.13`	`sneex`	`does that thread say touch screen is broken ?`
`13:33.14`	`z0rr0`	`http://paste.debian.net/189898/`
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`13:34.30`	`z0rr0`	`is there a chkrootkit related channel , here on freenode?`
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`13:35.10`	`tremon`	`z0rr0: false positives are always possible. there's always ##linux, at least you will get answers from different distro's there`
`13:35.11`	`guest1`	`sneex: me ? yes!!!`
`13:35.38`	`z0rr0`	`tremon: thanks. but ##linux is not accessible :(`
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`13:36.04`	`abrotman`	`z0rr0: /msg nickserv help`
`13:36.25`	`z0rr0`	`abrotman: it doesnt accept yopmail/mailinator :(`
`13:37.14`	`abrotman`	`z0rr0: so use something else`
`13:37.22`	`z0rr0`	`like what?`
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`13:37.39`	`abrotman`	`yahoo? gmail? hotmail?`
`13:37.41`	`z0rr0`	`(slopsbox is offline :(`
`13:38.29`	`z0rr0`	`is #linux also on oftc?`
`13:38.37`	`abrotman`	`look for yourself`
`13:39.04`	Belial`	`yeah, chiggity check yourself`
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`13:39.30`	`sneex`	`Guest1: if the screen is "broken" why are you trying to use evtouch`
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`13:40.01`	`tremon`	`tx0h: can't make heads or tails from that bugreport, but the maintainer address is listed. Why don't you ping them?`
`13:40.24`	`guest1`	`/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-evtouch.conf: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "touchscreen" Driver "evtouch" Option "Device" "/dev/input/event7" Option "DeviceName" "touchscreen" Option "MinX" "98" Option "MinY" "43" Option "MaxX" "940" Option "MaxY" "925" Option "ReportingMode" "Raw" Option "Emulate3Buttons" Option "Emulate3Timeout" "50"`
`13:40.37`	`tremon`	`!paste`
`13:40.38`	`dpkg`	`Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.`
`13:40.41`	`sneex`	`Guest1: and is 6.0.5 the lastest you can get ?`
`13:40.57`	`sneex`	`dont paste here :P`
`13:41.02`	`guest1`	`I install evtouch , and write 50-evtouch.conf like that ,but nothing happen`
`13:41.24`	`sneex`	`yes, I thinkl evtouch is not working in 6.0.5`
`13:41.32`	`tremon`	`sneex: you mean 6.0.6 is out and they didn't tell me?`
`13:41.37`	`sneex`	`update/upgrade?`
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`13:42.02`	`abrotman`	`there is no 6.0.6`
`13:42.03`	`sneex`	`who knowws lol I used a knife`
`13:42.07`	`guest1`	`...sorry`
`13:42.33`	`abrotman`	`lololololololol`
`13:42.54`	`tx0h`	`tremon: well.. i thought someone here might know more`
`13:43.22`	`guest1`	`e , I am not good at english ...`
`13:43.41`	`guest1`	`I use stable sourse,`
`13:43.59`	`guest1`	`nothing to update`
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`13:44.11`	`sneex`	`Guest1: google translate isn't that great but I'm thinking you cant do what you want with evtouch`
`13:44.49`	`sneex`	`ggogle for debian+evtouch+calibrate`
`13:44.59`	`sneex`	`google*`
`13:45.17`	`tremon`	`tx0h: never hurts to try, but it's a fairly niche issue (jack2+ia32-libs + dist-upgrade) so not many people will have hit it`
`13:45.52`	`tremon`	`...yet`
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`13:46.17`	`tx0h`	`tremon: all people who like to run wine or i386 bins and for instance wireshark...`
`13:46.25`	`guest1`	`our goverment ** google , google is not convenience in my country...`
`13:46.44`	`sneex`	`k`
`13:46.45`	`guest1`	`OK , I will try more and more times`
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`13:47.00`	`Zeeflo`	`guest1, use a vpn to a country that allows google`
`13:47.06`	`tremon`	`tx0h: not really, as I do have wine on wheezy but haven't hit that issue (wine is properly multi-archified)`
`13:47.22`	`sneex`	`Guest1: does any touch cause a response?`
`13:47.27`	`tremon`	`(i386 wine on amd64 wheezy I mean)`
`13:47.35`	`tx0h`	`tremon: first of all wine is bad maintained.`
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`13:48.08`	`guest1`	`no, nothing happen. do you see bbs.chinaunix.net/thread-3769901-1-1.html? anything wrong whih my .conf?`
`13:48.09`	`tremon`	`tx0h: are you here to argue or to find a solution?`
`13:48.22`	`guest1`	`with`
`13:48.45`	`tx0h`	`but i need ia32-libs and can't get it installed when i don't remove wireshark or melt`
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`13:49.29`	`tx0h`	`tremon: well.. would be nice if i could kick some maintainers :-)`
`13:49.51`	`tx0h`	`but i need solutions`
`13:50.06`	`tremon`	`maintainers tend to prefer carrots over sticks :)`
`13:50.47`	`sneex`	`Guest1: nothing stand out on the conf but I really dont see how ubuntu will fix that -- OP thinks so; maybe you should try ubuntu?`
`13:51.43`	`tx0h`	`tremon: what else could people do? they post big reports & patches and no reactions from the maintainers`
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`13:52.17`	`nsadmin`	`tremon, that may be what they prefer... and they often supply the other`
`13:52.19`	`tx0h`	`tremo: and if this where the only case i would mention it. but that happen to often`
`13:52.49`	`tx0h`	`wouldn't`
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`13:53.19`	`sneex`	`Guest1: the way I read yur chinese post is they are saying there ae no drivers for evtouch`
`13:53.22`	`guest1`	`try ubuntu, I don't like ubuntu, so ubuntu is the final way I woule try...too much words and sentence I can't understand here...`
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`13:54.03`	`sneex`	`Guest1: ubuntu is just debian .. mingled a bit but its debian`
`13:54.11`	`tremon`	`tx0h: my point is that yours isn't a systemic problem, as I am running wheezy with wine installed and can install melt and wireshark just fine. Can you paste what you're trying to do, and the output of apt-cache policy?`
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`13:55.01`	`abrotman`	`sneex: no, it's not`
`13:56.16`	`sneex`	`yeah, SL isnt rhel either`
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`13:56.26`	`guest1`	`it was said that ubuntu is not keep standard ... maybe i use wrong words`
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`13:56.43`	`Iridos`	`guest1, "<guest1> (21时29分56秒) ##debian-zh 上的用户数：@ChanServ guest1 ... only me..." that channel isn't here but on irc.oftc.net, as the bot said`
`13:56.59`	`abrotman`	`sneex: Please take a timeout, go learn the differences between Debian and Ubuntu. They are NOT the same, please don't tell people they're the same. That's completely untrue.`
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`14:11.47`	`joya`	`is there any tool in the main repo that checks whether a media file is broken and/or incomplete ?`
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`14:13.02`	`joya`	`(preferably for the command line...)`
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`14:13.21`	`ompaul`	`joya: media files are either complete in which case you can play them end to end or they are not complete in which case they don't match the original - you need to check the original sizes and md5 to be sure`
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`14:14.05`	`ompaul`	`joya: without original you can't work out if it complete`
`14:15.18`	`joya`	`ompaul: one indicator that for example a .webm file is incomplete is that totem does not allow jumping around the file, not even to parts that are already retrieved. Other players, such as mplayer, allow it. But I want to check it on a massive scale since I got a few incomplete videos in my collection`
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`14:16.41`	`ompaul`	`joya: source media vs what you have sha1 or md5sum or some such to do it on a large scale different files have different "qualities"`
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`14:17.20`	`ompaul`	`joya: if it was me, I'd be looking for other copies of what I have out there`
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`14:19.38`	`joya`	`ompaul: to check all checksums to the complete original would mean that I had to get all the files again. There must be some other way to find out if a file is complete. But specifically for .webm one would probably need to know internals to write a tool that checks if one has not already been written`
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`14:25.29`	`kaosu`	`My quest to rip every last bit of Java out of Debian Squeeze has been rather successful. It also freed up a good amount of system resources, disk space, and reduced system mess.`
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`14:26.08`	`kaosu`	`Luckily, I also ended up with zero dependency issues. When you really begin this process, you truly see just how bloated Java and its libraries are.`
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`14:30.34`	`ompaul`	`kaosu: fantastic, but have you documented it?`
`14:30.51`	`kaosu`	`I could. It was a simple process.`
`14:31.59`	`ompaul`	`joya: you need to find out if someone else generated a md5sum for the files in question, now if only there was a way to search the web, most media files don't have "the anti slider stuff in there"`
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`14:32.31`	`ompaul`	`joya: md5sum is also a variable name in that sentence`
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`14:32.45`	`clamscan`	`anyone here uses clamav?`
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`14:33.07`	`kaosu`	`My ultimate goal is to not only increase system security, but also get my maximum memory usage at or below 900MB. Right now I am sitting at: 16067 total, 1561 used, 14505 free.`
`14:33.17`	`clamscan`	`i 've run clamscan on a disk , with the -l option to save the report to a log file.`
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`14:33.27`	`kaosu`	`I really think 1561MB of memory is a bit much. Especially since I run really light software.`
`14:34.00`	`boudiccas`	`kaosu: what DE are you using? XFCE has a fairly light footprint`
`14:34.10`	`clamscan`	`the problem is that it ends with "infected files found: 3" but i dont know what mark has been used to indicate an infection. how can i know what are the infected files?`
`14:34.21`	`tremon`	`kaosu: really? you have 16G ram, but you want to use less than 5% of it?`
`14:34.26`	`kaosu`	`I am using XFCE, and I removed most things I will never use.`
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`14:34.48`	`kaosu`	`Tremon: Yes. Some of the forensic work I do uses up the full remaining memory.`
`14:34.56`	`kaosu`	`I'd like to have a little more for my actual work.`
`14:35.06`	`boudiccas`	`I'm using XFCE with everything installed on just 500mb ram, but on wheezy`
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`14:35.13`	`tremon`	`ah... :)`
`14:35.38`	`kaosu`	`I think my two worst offenders are: Iceweasel and Pidgin.`
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`14:35.50`	`kaosu`	`Those seems to really eat up memory when they are running for a while.`
`14:35.51`	`tremon`	`my system is at 760M used, even with firefox open with 7 tabs`
`14:36.02`	`kaosu`	`What DM?`
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`14:36.16`	`tremon`	`e17`
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`14:36.25`	`kaosu`	`I'd love any opinions if anyone has any ideas for me to reduce my footprint.`
`14:36.36`	`kaosu`	`But I do wish to stick with XFCE. I truly love it.`
`14:36.44`	`tremon`	`depends on what's eating your memory right now`
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`14:37.03`	`kaosu`	`Pidgin is listed #1 of my top memory processes`
`14:37.19`	`kaosu`	`But I can't seem to find a good alternative with a smaller footprint, and support for encryption (OTR)`
`14:37.20`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`does anyone know if there's a standard debian way of storing policy-based routes?`
`14:38.09`	`boudiccas`	`kaosu: do you use 'atop' in place of top, its in the repos and gives a truer picture i find`
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`14:38.39`	`kaosu`	`I will give atop a shot.`
`14:39.30`	`tremon`	`kaosu: my memory usage just after boot (so without apps) is just below 100M. most tools I use are light (terminals, vim, inkscape). firefox and quodlibet are the "heavy" applications (using 200-300M each)`
`14:39.38`	`clamscan`	`found, the string is 'FOUND'. thanks anyway`
`14:39.57`	`kaosu`	`Yeah. Upon boot I sit at like 70MB used.`
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`14:40.05`	`kaosu`	`I think something has a leak.`
`14:40.13`	`jeep`	`kaosu: wmaker is cool`
`14:40.24`	`kaosu`	`I am just going to monitor atop all day, and see what exactly I need to be replacing.`
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`14:44.49`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`or even yet, has anyone who's around messed with policy based routing?`
`14:44.52`	`kaosu`	`Wmaker looks promising. Enough so that I will use it for my custom LiveCD for sure.`
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`14:45.31`	`kaosu`	`However, for my main workstation, I find XFCE is the perfect balance between modern and light. So, I would likely never move from it.`
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`14:47.56`	`kaosu`	`Thanks for the atop tip. I really like it much better than top.`
`14:48.14`	`kaosu`	`If nothing else, the split screen between dynamic and static results is way easier to read.`
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`15:02.22`	`mooperd`	`Can someone explain why each of my processes are limited to a certain amount of quite small IOPS? http://pastie.org/4725603 Im using iozone to test 16k IOPS and have found that each process can only handle something like 7000 IOPS.`
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`15:05.17`	`joya`	`ompaul: if it were up to me, any files on the internet were provided along with their checksums. But, unfortunately, aside from free software related projects, that practice seems to be followed rarely... ;(`
`15:08.18`	`ompaul`	`joya: there was a phrase that used to annoy the hell out of me when I worked in a particular company it seemed popular at the time (about 2k), implementing logging after an event won't catch the event, nobody thinks of doing it for tomorrow until they need it, we are used to cameras and exif data, time to look to encoders to create "check sums"`
`15:08.35`	`ompaul`	`joya: and as you have the itch, I grant you that project. :-)`
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`15:13.42`	`prometoys`	`does anybody know, how boot via tftp works?`
`15:13.50`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`i do`
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`15:14.17`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`assuming you mean pxe`
`15:14.41`	`prometoys`	`f4c3pl4nt, on ppc, too? i installed dhcp server, tftp and downloaded yaboot and the other files into the tftp directory`
`15:15.05`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`ive never touched ppc linux in my life :S I'd assume it to work the same way? what's the question`
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`15:15.33`	`johnfg`	`hi folks`
`15:15.37`	`ompaul`	`mooperd: machine arch lack of buffer and you didn't say from what to what ram to ram ram to sd storage ram to sata disk to ram whatever I looked at your figures and you have "random tests" we don't know what those tests are, nor do we know what else is happening if you have a multi core machine or anything ... kind of meaningless statement tbh`
`15:16.17`	`ompaul`	`mooperd: i.e. it's not even a question at this point, it's lacking a lot of data, you could actually do the colour graph it can do and see what you have going on`
`15:17.04`	`johnfg`	`I notice on my two laptops running squeeze, that the mouse pad works after bootup, before login manager, but won't work for tapping/double-tapping afterwards. Is this a known problem? Is there a fix for it?`
`15:17.09`	`ompaul`	`mooperd: and you could have a 8004 chip you've not said nor did you say if it was ext2 ext4 riser union or lots of other things`
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`15:17.27`	`johnfg`	`One laptop is an Asus and one is an HP.`
`15:18.40`	`prometoys`	`f4c3pl4nt, do i need anything more instead of vmlinux, intitrd, yaboot (the boatloader) ?`
`15:19.06`	`mooperd`	`ompaul: Hi, I have tested to ext4 on local, NFS and NFS over RDMA. I have a server with a top of the (current) range CPU and 128GB ram`
`15:19.43`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`prometoys: well, if you were setting up pxe boot the answer would be yes... but, I just read this (http://wiki.ppckernel.org/w/Mac_Netboot) and it appears not`
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`15:19.57`	`mooperd`	`ompaul: also tested to ramps and saw the same result`
`15:20.00`	`ompaul`	`mooperd: ps awux > foo pasted`
`15:20.06`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`its pretty dated, but seems straight forward enough`
`15:20.16`	`prometoys`	`f4c3pl4nt, thanks for the link, i will check it`
`15:20.46`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`i agree with the author of that page, get the debian netboot kernel/ramdisk since they work well with network booting`
`15:20.53`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`you can get fancier stuff later`
`15:21.18`	`ompaul`	`mooperd: have to rma something - back in a bit lovely post office closes in a bit`
`15:21.24`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`it looks like you need a yaboot.conf, not sure if you have that or not`
`15:21.46`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`also the default now for tftpd-hpa is /srv/tftpboot i think`
`15:21.51`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`not /tftpboot or whatever the article had`
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`15:22.13`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`it also doesn't use inetd any more`
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`15:23.49`	`holycow`	`hi guys`
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`15:24.21`	`holycow`	`i would like to be able to burn iso to cdrom devices physically installed on different debian systems in the room`
`15:24.53`	`holycow`	`any general tips on how that might be done? i am thinking there must be a way to export the cdrom device from the other machine, mount it as a cdrom machine locally and burn to that?`
`15:24.57`	`holycow`	`any thoghts?`
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`15:25.49`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`im assuming scping the iso's over and cdrecord are out of the question? D:`
`15:26.03`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`you might be able to pull some ninja shit with tar and nc`
`15:26.05`	`Rienzilha`	`Hey guys. running update-grub in squeeze results in a grub.cfg with an incorrect set root=(foo) line. Where do I change the device that update-grub sets as root`
`15:26.08`	`Rienzilha`	`?`
`15:26.20`	`holycow`	`f4c3pl4nt: heh, not a bad idea`
`15:26.37`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`or nfs export your directory with the isos`
`15:26.46`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`mount it on the system with the cdburner`
`15:26.50`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`.. profit??`
`15:26.56`	`holycow`	`or that. sure indeed.`
`15:27.31`	`prometoys`	`f4c3pl4nt, cant boot from cd, the drive on the ibook is proken, hardware`
`15:27.37`	`n3storm`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:27.48`	`prometoys`	`so, i need the iso too, i will try this`
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`15:28.17`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`prometoys: if oyu get the netboot installer booted, you can install via the internet`
`15:28.19`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`no iso necessary`
`15:28.51`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`holycow: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Burning_disks_over_a_network_with_rscsi <-- could try something like this? rscsi`
`15:29.10`	`prometoys`	`f4c3pl4nt, actually, i just need a shell to fix the bootloader,`
`15:29.21`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`oh the netboot installer should let you do that`
`15:29.26`	`holycow`	`ooo ... been googling and didn't see that.`
`15:29.30`	`GamezR2EZ`	`wonders why everyone recommends the larger netinst over the smaller businesscard iso`
`15:29.31`	`holycow`	`thank you kindly f4c3pl4nt`
`15:29.35`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`just get the kernel and initrd`
`15:29.51`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`i have a setup here where I pxe boot that for new installs or to un-screw things`
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`15:34.34`	`prometoys`	`f4c3pl4nt, ok, at the moment i use fedora, i try to get the tftp running, thanks for your help`
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`15:36.34`	`tremon`	`GamezR2EZ: it's because the netinst doesn't contain any optional packages. If you use the businesscard, you end up having to download the netinst contents anyway`
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`15:37.38`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`holycow: here's a simpler approach http://linuxconfig.org/burning-cds-over-the-internet-with-or-without-iso-image`
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`15:38.02`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`thats more similar to what i was initially saying`
`15:38.17`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`looks like cdrecord can take "-data -" as an arg and burn whats coming in on stdin`
`15:38.45`	`GamezR2EZ`	`tremon: I understand that bit, but will it not install the latest packages?`
`15:39.11`	`holycow`	`huh`
`15:39.19`	`holycow`	`f4c3pl4nt: you are a god`
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`15:39.20`	`holycow`	`thank you`
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`15:39.26`	`prometoys`	`f4c3pl4nt, haha, was confused by the hints you gave holycow :D`
`15:39.36`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`hehe`
`15:39.51`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`holycow: no prob, but dont get too excited i havent actually tried any of that :P`
`15:39.55`	`gdea73`	`on my new Debian installation I no longer have any network connection, and network-manager is gone`
`15:40.06`	`gdea73`	`service network-manager (status/start/stop/restart) all return nothing.`
`15:40.30`	`gdea73`	`also "ifconfig" returns "command not found"`
`15:40.44`	`f4c3pl4nt`	`i used to do backups in a similar way back in the day with tar, ssh, and mt`
`15:40.45`	`boudiccas`	`gdea73: thats nice. what new debain installation? squeeze, wheezy or what?`
`15:40.46`	`holycow`	`lol well lets find out`
`15:41.21`	`tremon`	`GamezR2EZ: sure, but so will the first upgrade after install. And for debian stable, the base packages change only rarely`
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`15:41.55`	`gdea73`	`Squeeze`
`15:42.17`	`gdea73`	`and that's a problem, network-manager-gnome showed up as uninstalled in synaptic but I obviously can't retrieve the packages because I have no network connection.`
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`15:42.40`	`GamezR2EZ`	`tremon: Thanks for the enlightenment. I typically use sid`
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`15:43.51`	`gdea73`	`ohh crap I just realized this may be because I enabled the upgrades repository and updated some packages...`
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`15:44.09`	`gdea73`	`i.e. squeeze-proposed-updates`
`15:44.17`	`gdea73`	`I wouldn't expect that to kill my network connection though :(`
`15:44.27`	`boudiccas`	`gdea73: you must have a internet connection, you're talking tous!`
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`15:45.05`	`tremon`	`yeah, for sid the businesscard may be better. But then, there are no official businesscard images for testing/unstable ;)`
`15:45.16`	`gdea73`	`I have an internet connection. It is not working. :P`
`15:45.39`	`GamezR2EZ`	`tremon: ...I was not aware of that.`
`15:45.41`	`gdea73`	`Well, my internet connection is obviously working from my laptop right now but my server (on which I've installed Debian) cannot reach the router.`
`15:45.43`	`boudiccas`	`gdea73: then how are you able to talk to us? something doesnt add up here`
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`15:45.48`	`gdea73`	`^^`
`15:45.53`	`tremon`	`(since there is no official installer for testing, only the development builds)`
`15:46.15`	`GamezR2EZ`	`tremon: oh ok i follow you now. i was confused`
`15:46.23`	`gdea73`	`To clarify, I wouldn't expect updating packages as listed in Update Manager to cause my network connection not to work from that computer.`
`15:46.30`	`GamezR2EZ`	`tremon: well you have answer my question, thank you!`
`15:46.39`	`tremon`	`yw`
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`15:48.26`	`boudiccas`	`gdea73: got a network cable around to use?`
`15:48.47`	`gdea73`	`... yes`
`15:49.10`	`gdea73`	`My server is connected to my router via a cat5 ethernet cable.`
`15:49.36`	`gdea73`	`It's possible that the cable died or something. I'll go find another one if that's what's necessary...`
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`15:50.08`	`boudiccas`	`gdea73: check the connections, it mightbe loose`
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`15:51.20`	`gdea73`	`comes upstairs with another ethernet cable only to find the clips are missing... facepalm`
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`15:51.31`	`gdea73`	`That happens to me more than it should. I need to get more snagless ones.`
`15:51.51`	`gdea73`	`I have reconnected the existing cable on both ends and rebooted but I still have no ethernet connection`
`15:52.03`	`gdea73`	`and what concerns me is I have no network manager informing me of the lack of said connection.`
`15:52.21`	`boudiccas`	`gdea73: is the network card seen by the server?`
`15:52.43`	`boudiccas`	`maybe that needs reseating?`
`15:52.55`	`zinx`	`perhaps network-manager got uninstalled :/`
`15:53.28`	`gdea73`	`zinx: it seems that way. And I also have no network connection with which to reinstall it. :/`
`15:53.48`	`gdea73`	`boudiccas: lspci does report the Realtek ethernet controller in its listing, so I think yes.`
`15:53.53`	`zinx`	`gdea73: you can manually configure the network connection and/or use ifupdown`
`15:54.25`	`gdea73`	`ifupdown and ifconfig are both "command not found" for whatever reason.`
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`15:54.44`	`zinx`	`gdea73: ifup / ifdown and ifconfig are probably in /usr/sbin or /sbin`
`15:54.52`	`boudiccas`	`sounds like an imperfect installation`
`15:54.58`	`zinx`	`gdea73: as they are intended to be used by root`
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`15:56.15`	`gdea73`	`oh right`
`15:56.15`	`boudiccas`	`i'd be inclined to try a fresh installation and see if everything gets picked up this time`
`15:56.29`	`gdea73`	`well normally I thought ifconfig would run as a normal user... it does on this laptop.`
`15:56.35`	`gdea73`	`yup`
`15:56.42`	`gdea73`	`sigh yeah I guess I'll reformat.`
`15:56.50`	`gdea73`	`that's disappointing though considering it worked initially`
`15:57.05`	`gdea73`	`I'm not sure where I screwed up, perhaps enabling squeeze-proposed-updates? :/`
`15:57.07`	`tremon`	`gdea73: ifconfig can be run as normal user, it's just not in your path. Use ip instead`
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`15:58.21`	`gdea73`	`ip as in "ipconfig," or as in "ipupdown..." neither are valid commands as a normal user`
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`15:59.03`	`GamezR2EZ`	`gdea73: why are you not using ifup or ifconfig again?`
`15:59.41`	`gdea73`	`no wait ifconfig works now`
`15:59.48`	`gdea73`	`it lists that I have an IP which looks to be DHCP from my router`
`16:00.03`	`gdea73`	`but when I ping the router it returns ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted (&repeat)`
`16:00.03`	`GamezR2EZ`	`can you ping the gateway?`
`16:00.09`	`gdea73`	`^^. as superuser as well.`
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`16:00.45`	`GamezR2EZ`	`that sounds more like an iptabels/firewall issue`
`16:00.55`	`gdea73`	`oh right`
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`16:01.12`	`tremon`	`gdea73: I meant ip as in "ip addr show" and "ip link show"`
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`16:01.29`	`gdea73`	`I installed guarddog and hadn't configured it to open any ports yet.`
`16:01.44`	`GamezR2EZ`	`youll need to do that`
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`16:01.49`	`gdea73`	`However, I could still access the machine via port 80 (httpd was running) from a remote machine. The router has 80 forwarded to the server.`
`16:02.09`	`gdea73`	`I found this strange and I decided to reset the firewall to "factory default" which is perhaps what caused the problem when I hit "apply"`
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`16:03.30`	`gdea73`	`I disabled the iptables firewall altogether and then had network access again...`
`16:03.47`	`gdea73`	`but when I uncheck "disable firewall" I can't access anything.`
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`16:04.37`	`boudiccas`	`disable it and complete your installation, then enable it and set it up properly`
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`16:05.39`	`gdea73`	`seems legit`
`16:06.27`	`gdea73`	`is system-config-firewall available for Debian? I really liked it on CentOS.`
`16:06.35`	`gdea73`	`* really liked its interface, rather.`
`16:06.50`	`boudiccas`	`no`
`16:06.59`	`gdea73`	`well I removed guarddog and my network seems to work again. However I don't know if the firewall is even enabled.`
`16:07.24`	`boudiccas`	`then run sudo iptables -L to see what rules you have`
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`16:28.39`	`mooglenorph`	`Hi, can someone recommend a portable mp3 player that is dead-easy to use with linux? I have an ipod but it is too much of a hassle.`
`16:28.59`	`zinx`	`anything that supports USB Mass Storage`
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`16:29.09`	`zinx`	`MTP can be ok, but i honestly can't stand MTP myself`
`16:29.10`	`simonlnu`	`i have a sansa. works fine. is rockbox-able.`
`16:29.20`	`Erdon`	`mooglenorph: anything from here http://www.rockbox.org/`
`16:29.22`	`simonlnu`	`mtp on linux sucks quite often`
`16:29.35`	`simonlnu`	`good suggestion Erdon`
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`16:29.43`	`Erdon`	`and +1 for sansa`
`16:30.02`	`mooglenorph`	`Ah, check for usb mass storage? Thanks. They never specify linux support on the pages for those things.`
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`16:30.11`	`zinx`	`Sansa added support for vorbis/flac on my Sansa Clip v1 after I mentioned it`
`16:30.19`	`zinx`	`so +eleventy billion to them :)`
`16:30.27`	`simonlnu`	`hehe`
`16:30.30`	`zinx`	`(that player is too weak for rockbox)`
`16:30.53`	`simonlnu`	`the v1? yeh, i think v2 is ok?`
`16:31.02`	`zinx`	`i dunno`
`16:31.08`	`zinx`	`i only have the v1, so that's all i looked at :)`
`16:31.21`	`zinx`	`also haven't looked in quite some time`
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`16:31.41`	`Erdon`	`by the way, has anyone got vagrant to work on latest wheezy?`
`16:31.50`	`zinx`	`i suppose Opus / RFC 6716 support will be the next big thing`
`16:31.50`	`Erdon`	`with the virtualbox in repo?`
`16:32.41`	`simonlnu`	`<< sansa fuzev2`
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`16:33.18`	`Erdon`	`I get the following message: http://paste.debian.net/189913/ although the virtualbox in repo is 4.1.18, so it falls under 4.1.x category`
`16:33.23`	`mooglenorph`	`Huh. This rockbox thing looks cool. Thanks all! Probably I'll grab a sansa, the clip + looked like exactly what I wanted but I was unsure of linux compat.`
`16:33.29`	`zinx`	`mooglenorph: anyway, to sum it up, anything with USB MSC support will work, anything with rockbox support will be awesomesauce`
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`16:35.26`	`simonlnu`	`indeed on the awesomesauce`
`16:37.17`	`simonlnu`	`they have 2 channels here, #rockbox (for the devs) and #rockbox-community`
`16:37.33`	`simonlnu`	`ah damn he left`
`16:38.29`	`simonlnu`	`used to hang around the former for a while, tracking the commits and other stuff ;p`
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`16:41.27`	`JyZyXEL`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:41.29`	`JyZyXEL`	`I: Retrieving Release`
`16:41.31`	`JyZyXEL`	`I: Retrieving Release.gpg`
`16:41.33`	`JyZyXEL`	`E: Release signed by unknown key (key id AED4B06F473041FA)`
`16:41.37`	`JyZyXEL`	`ideas?`
`16:43.00`	`Dillithamir`	`I have NAT setup on my debian network server, port forwarding works fine from the outside, but is there a way to get portforwarding to work in iptables from the internal network?`
`16:43.59`	`g00se`	`Is it possible to gain any insight into non-functioning sound in wheezy by looking at a working sound config in (old) Knoppix?`
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`16:45.21`	`Dillithamir`	`g00se, wouldn't hurt to try I'd think.`
`16:45.54`	`g00se`	`What kind of thing should i be looking for? The sound works in Knoppix`
`16:45.55`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: remove "--keyring" param`
`16:46.03`	`JyZyXEL`	`i can't`
`16:46.19`	`JyZyXEL`	`its executed by the tool itself`
`16:46.44`	`GamezR2EZ`	`sudo debootstrap --arch amd64 sid /mnt/debootstrap.14501 http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/`
`16:46.57`	`JyZyXEL`	`no its executed by the tool`
`16:47.09`	`Dillithamir`	`g00se, I wouldn't be sure... but I would run a comparison of config files just to see what's different any check why.`
`16:47.20`	`JyZyXEL`	`* Executing:`
`16:47.20`	`GamezR2EZ`	`i understand, why can you run it manually?`
`16:47.29`	`JyZyXEL`	`because then its not part of the script`
`16:47.42`	`JyZyXEL`	`it needs to be a step that succeeds`
`16:47.44`	`JyZyXEL`	`so it goes on`
`16:47.45`	`GamezR2EZ`	`if its a script you can edit it,yes?`
`16:47.54`	`JyZyXEL`	`no`
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`16:48.41`	`g00se`	`thinks it might be less apples/oranges were he to use a Knoppix with the same kernel as wheezy`
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`16:49.37`	`GNU\colossus`	`what's today's favourite application to rip CDDA to Vorbis and/or MP3? automatic tagging and all that included. batch-mode preferred (no GUI-clicking and all that)`
`16:50.05`	`Erdon`	`GNU\colossus: abcde`
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`16:51.36`	`GNU\colossus`	`Erdon: that's what I used back in 2003, I remember :) so it's still the best?`
`16:51.52`	`GNU\colossus`	`freedb is still around, right?`
`16:52.01`	`Erdon`	`I don't know if it's the best, but it hasn't failed me so far`
`16:52.11`	`GamezR2EZ`	JyZyXEL: `sudo gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --recv-keys AED4B06F473041FA`
`16:52.23`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: then rerun script`
`16:52.56`	`kaosu`	`I don't think asking what "the best" is does anything worth while to get a valid answer. You should be more focused on what can get the job done, and less on what is the best.`
`16:53.04`	`JyZyXEL`	`GamezR2EZ: it freezes`
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`16:53.34`	`JyZyXEL`	`gpg: requesting key 473041FA from hkp server keys.gnupg.net`
`16:53.39`	`JyZyXEL`	`after that it freezes`
`16:53.55`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: sounds like its working, give it a minute`
`16:54.07`	`JyZyXEL`	`it takes a minute to fetch some key?`
`16:54.11`	`Dillithamir`	`kaosu: good point`
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`16:54.51`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: no, it is requesting the keys. anything over the internet should be given a minute to try and work`
`16:55.01`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: if it FAILS, it will let you know`
`16:55.25`	`JyZyXEL`	`timed out`
`16:55.28`	`JyZyXEL`	`keyserver error`
`16:55.47`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: ping keys.gnupg.net`
`16:55.48`	`JyZyXEL`	`got any keyserver addresses?`
`16:55.56`	`JyZyXEL`	`36ms`
`16:56.05`	`GamezR2EZ`	`retry the command`
`16:56.13`	`nsadmin`	`GNU\colossus, I like cdparanoia (you get wavs) then convert... I do mp3 so I use lame`
`16:56.16`	`JyZyXEL`	`ow it worked`
`16:56.32`	`JyZyXEL`	`lets rerun the grml-deboostrap script then`
`16:56.35`	`GamezR2EZ`	`yes, the interweb is like that`
`16:56.45`	`JyZyXEL`	`usually its not like that though`
`16:57.04`	`JyZyXEL`	`the 100Mbit pipe is like ZAP`
`16:57.05`	`GamezR2EZ`	`its not a onesided issue, it may be load on thier end`
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`16:57.23`	`nsadmin`	`GNU\colossus, (best means nothing, you would need to say what you want instead, so I didn't answer that part)`
`16:57.28`	`JyZyXEL`	`I: Valid Release signature (key id 9FED2BCBDCD29CDF762678CBAED4B06F473041FA)`
`16:57.31`	`JyZyXEL`	`it worked`
`16:57.46`	`JyZyXEL`	`now the problem is, how would anyone know to execute a gpg command like that`
`16:57.51`	`GamezR2EZ`	`its because release keys are stored in a directory in Wheezy`
`16:58.00`	`JyZyXEL`	`ill take a look at the manuals and see if they say anything about this`
`16:58.01`	`GamezR2EZ`	`debootstrap needs to be updated`
`16:58.46`	`JyZyXEL`	`well im lucky i found someone who knows something about the key system`
`16:59.05`	`JyZyXEL`	`because usually thats the sort of stuff no one really cares about to be honest..`
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`16:59.21`	`nsadmin`	`JyZyXEL, well you would know to do that... why would someone else need to on your machine?`
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`16:59.36`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: I know very little about it. I just googled your issue`
`16:59.51`	`g00se`	`Has wheezy adopted pulse rather than alsa?`
`17:00.22`	`JyZyXEL`	`sometimes i just wish they threw is some pointers to these error messages where to go searching for the cure u_u`
`17:00.38`	`nsadmin`	`JyZyXEL, on "noone really cares', you don't actually know whether that's true or not. better to speak only for yourself`
`17:01.07`	`nsadmin`	`is pulse a replacement for alsa?`
`17:01.10`	`JyZyXEL`	`people just wanna apt-get and magically have it work`
`17:01.26`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: that is why i use a binary distro, yes`
`17:01.31`	`nsadmin`	`JyZyXEL, again, you only know for sure what's true for yourself`
`17:01.39`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: I am prepared to take down issues as well`
`17:01.51`	`abrotman`	`nsadmin: no`
`17:02.13`	`JyZyXEL`	`nsadmin: i also know its true for other users i know`
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`17:02.33`	`GamezR2EZ`	`It matters not, right guys?`
`17:02.37`	`GamezR2EZ`	`Problem solved?`
`17:02.39`	`GamezR2EZ`	`Good.`
`17:03.04`	`nsadmin`	`GamezR2EZ, right... problem solved, he's going to only speak for himself from now on, all good.`
`17:03.12`	`abrotman`	`...`
`17:03.25`	`JyZyXEL`	`and isn't the world full of examples how security just "gets in the way" so then people just neglect it`
`17:03.27`	`GamezR2EZ`	`sighs`
`17:03.28`	`abrotman`	`please just move on`
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`17:04.40`	`JyZyXEL`	`so its acually good there was no --disable-keyring or anything like that, because it would be really tempting :p`
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`17:05.20`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: you were calling the keyring for verification in the command`
`17:05.31`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: it is not called for by default`
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`17:05.54`	`JyZyXEL`	`not me, but the grml-debootstrap wrapper`
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`17:06.23`	`kaosu`	`I think any person that feels like "security gets in the way" should not be allowed to work in the I.T. industry.`
`17:06.30`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: Then take it out of the wrapper, you can do that you know`
`17:06.59`	`kaosu`	`Security should be the #1 priority, with stability being a very close second.`
`17:07.00`	`nsadmin`	`kaosu, so you want "emotion police"... got it :)`
`17:07.03`	`JyZyXEL`	`i like to use the wrapper because i used it the last time and it was great`
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`17:07.49`	`kaosu`	`nsadmin: It has little to do with emotion, and more to due to corporate networks, banks, and Government facilities being compromised.`
`17:07.56`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: well it is fixed, if yo uwant a detailed explaintion of WHY, i can do that for you. Otherwise, tis all good`
`17:08.07`	`nsadmin`	`kaosu, it was how you worded it`
`17:08.09`	`ws2k3`	`is there any way debian servers can work together for example share load ?`
`17:08.10`	`kaosu`	`All of which because someone along the way felt like the proper security policies got in the way.`
`17:08.20`	`abrotman`	`ws2k3: depends on the applicatoin`
`17:08.35`	`ws2k3`	`abrotman its a network application i wanne host`
`17:08.44`	`GamezR2EZ`	`ws2k3: Are you looking for some type of clustering?`
`17:08.46`	`ws2k3`	`it takes some cpu and some memory and it provider a network service`
`17:08.48`	`ws2k3`	`yeah`
`17:08.52`	`abrotman`	`ws2k3: depends on the applicatoin`
`17:09.06`	`GamezR2EZ`	`ws2k3: Then yes. But youll need to do research on that`
`17:09.07`	`abrotman`	`if you're going to be vague, i'll be vague`
`17:09.18`	`ws2k3`	`abrotman how should i know if my appplication will work on it`
`17:09.23`	`GamezR2EZ`	`ws2k3: if you have a particular issue, im sure we can help`
`17:09.33`	`abrotman`	`ws2k3: you haven't told us the applicatoin`
`17:09.38`	`boudiccas`	`ws2k3: what is the application?`
`17:09.40`	`ws2k3`	`its a gameserver`
`17:09.51`	`abrotman`	`ws2k3: then you should ask the people that made the game server`
`17:10.28`	`JyZyXEL`	`GamezR2EZ: well if you could point out some up to date reading about the keyring stuff that would be great`
`17:10.45`	`ws2k3`	`i can say i know that the application isnt made to comminicate to other processes of game servers`
`17:10.57`	`abrotman`	`you still have to ask them`
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`17:11.19`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: I can point you to the exact issue you were having and the solution i took from it. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614029#10`
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`17:11.47`	`GamezR2EZ`	`JyZyXEL: as i said, its a change in debian that needs to be changed in debootstrap`
`17:11.52`	`kaosu`	`If the software lacks an efficient interface which allows it to efficiently distribute its load to units within the array, then you effectively won't be able to create an actual cluster with the end-result that you're achieving. Most vendors can let you know if the software is capable of said feat.`
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`17:12.29`	`kaosu`	`Also, once you do some research on the theory and implementation of a cluster, a lot of concerns you may have will suddenly be answered.`
`17:12.32`	`abrotman`	`or you can have a load balancer in front of the boxes .. which is why it depends on the application`
`17:13.08`	`kaosu`	`Yeah. There can be a lot of variables, which is why it isn't something you can go into a community room and ask how to do it on an abstract level.`
`17:13.39`	`kaosu`	`Come back with specific questions to problems, and I am sure you will get answers, but it is up to you to figure out your needs and implementation.`
`17:13.45`	`abrotman`	`especially when it's not an application in Debian .. hence, ask the people that made it`
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`17:15.56`	`nsadmin`	`kaosu, remember what you said... "anyone who -feels- " xyz " should not be allowed to do abc"... think about that, you're advocating policing based on what someone feels, feelings are limbic-system, emotion-based... so when you say "It has little to do with emotion" you're only contradicting what you said. I think it depends on the situation; and when the situation is banks and money, I think security should be tightened way more than it is; for pe`
`17:15.56`	`nsadmin`	`rsonal machines facing the internet, those are subject to attack so there are security issues there; for machines which are not, you can relax about "the rest of the internet" and should focus more on "who in the building has physical access"... so it depends`
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`17:16.19`	`abrotman`	`nsadmin: i think you want #debian-offtopic`
`17:16.28`	`GamezR2EZ`	`abrotman: seconded`
`17:16.42`	`abrotman`	`and he should know better`
`17:17.04`	`nsadmin`	`ahh, patronizing`
`17:17.08`	`nsadmin`	`parental`
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`17:17.31`	`abrotman`	`nsadmin: you can /part any time you like`
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`17:20.33`	`SiDz`	`is there a way to hide interface from "ifconfig"`
`17:20.51`	`nsadmin`	`SiDz, no`
`17:20.59`	`SiDz`	`ok`
`17:21.20`	`nsadmin`	`well actually... what are you trying to accomplish exactly?`
`17:21.26`	`SiDz`	`wanted to only see br0 instead of br0, wlan0, mon.wlan0, and eth0`
`17:21.42`	`abrotman`	`SiDz: ifconfig br0`
`17:21.46`	`SiDz`	`i know i know`
`17:21.47`	`SiDz`	`lol`
`17:21.47`	`kaosu`	`You could load an application into kernel space which would filter out the results of specific calls and return modified results.`
`17:21.49`	`nsadmin`	`are the others active/up?`
`17:22.16`	`SiDz`	`yes`
`17:22.23`	`SiDz`	`bridge need them up right?`
`17:22.43`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`17:22.48`	`nsadmin`	`SiDz, then they cannot be hidden from ifconfig`
`17:22.49`	`abrotman`	`what's wrong with 'ifconfig br0' ?`
`17:22.51`	`simonlnu`	`nsadmin: dude, could you seriously drop it? that's getting annoying.`
`17:22.54`	`nsadmin`	`and should not either`
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`17:22.59`	`SiDz`	`nothing, i was just askin if it's possible;p`
`17:23.05`	`nsadmin`	`simonlnu, which?`
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`17:23.21`	`abrotman`	`SiDz: i just told you how? :)`
`17:23.24`	`simonlnu`	`feeling like you're being targeted`
`17:23.30`	`simonlnu`	`you're not`
`17:23.34`	`SiDz`	`i said from "ifconfig"`
`17:23.43`	`SiDz`	`no from ifconfig br0;p`
`17:23.53`	`abrotman`	`SiDz: okay, good luck`
`17:24.00`	`SiDz`	`i won'T achieve it`
`17:24.06`	`SiDz`	`was just askin if its possible`
`17:24.22`	`nsadmin`	`simonlnu, abrotman tends to get angry (look up the definition of that word)`
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`17:25.36`	`simonlnu`	`if you think that, you don't know him at all`
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`17:25.54`	`nsadmin`	`simonlnu, what is the meaning of "..."?`
`17:26.08`	`simonlnu`	`let. it. go.`
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`17:26.32`	`nsadmin`	`simonlnu, you brought this up...`
`17:26.50`	`nsadmin`	`I'd be happy to discuss this with you elsewhere`
`17:26.53`	`simonlnu`	`yes, because you need to let this non-issue go.`
`17:27.10`	`nsadmin`	`that's also parental`
`17:27.18`	`abrotman`	`i'd prefer if you two please move this to #debian-offtopic though :)`
`17:27.26`	`simonlnu`	`yes, done`
`17:27.30`	`nsadmin`	`let;s do that`
`17:27.35`	`abrotman`	`thanks folks!`
`17:29.40`	`armitage81`	`yo`
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`17:38.16`	`Dillithamir`	`Can anyone give me an example of iptables internal forwarding? Say I have port 8080 forwarded from the outside to machine 192.168.1.5 -- how do I setup so that I can use external_ip:8080 from the inside network and get forwarded properly?`
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`17:39.38`	`abrotman`	`Dillithamir: the netfilter.org website has lots of examples, plus #netfilter does exist`
`17:40.07`	`Dillithamir`	`Thanks.`
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`17:41.00`	`zleslie`	`Anyone tried the wheezy beta installer from usb stick? I am having some troubles. It keeps looking for a cdrom drive that does not exist.`
`17:41.17`	`abrotman`	`zleslie: how did you create it ?`
`17:41.23`	`abrotman`	`with unetbootin ?`
`17:41.44`	`zleslie`	`abrotman: zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/device`
`17:42.14`	`abrotman`	`zleslie: most people use the netinst ISO and put it on the device`
`17:42.43`	`zleslie`	`abrotman: oh, thats right. Its been a while..`
`17:43.04`	`abrotman`	`that boot.img.gz is for hdd installs IIRC, and yes, you'd need a CD ISO somewhere for it to reference`
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`17:44.44`	`zleslie`	`I figured it would just look to the internet. Confusing. Is there some doc I should have read? Seems an obvious thing to include. Anyway, I'll copy the netboot iso to the disk I made with zcat and see how it goes.`
`17:45.07`	`abrotman`	`i think the install guide covers the various medias .. but the netinst is generally the way to go IMO`
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`17:45.49`	`zleslie`	`Yeah, I thought I would be able to find a netinstall.img and dd it to the disk`
`17:45.58`	`abrotman`	`that's what the ISO is :)`
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`17:47.07`	`zleslie`	`I can dd the iso to the usb stick? I think I tried that`
`17:47.23`	`abrotman`	`i believe you use zcat also`
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`17:48.08`	`zleslie`	`Ah`
`17:48.21`	`zleslie`	`That may be where I went wrong. I'll try that. Thanks, abrotman.`
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`17:57.42`	`ompaul`	`mooperd: I ended up dining out ... amazing these people who just take your time`
`17:57.52`	`ompaul`	`mooperd: wives friends and so on`
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`17:58.51`	`abrotman`	`ompaul: wrong channel?`
`17:59.18`	`ompaul`	`abrotman: mostly yes`
`17:59.26`	`abrotman`	`heh`
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`18:02.23`	`ompaul`	`Erdon: what do you use your machine for?`
`18:02.24`	`abrotman`	`instead of?`
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`18:03.26`	`Erdon`	`well, now in grub there started to appear kernels -486 -686-pae -rt-686-pae`
`18:03.37`	`Erdon`	`i know the difference between 486 and 686`
`18:03.43`	`Erdon`	`but this pae and rt thing is new to me`
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`18:09.41`	`ompaul`	`Erdon: pae allows x86 32bit get to bigger and better spaces (i.e. above four gig in ram) rt real time - fantastic if you know what it's for if you are using rt and pae you should be locked up :) and no I'm not saying why, research is your friend`
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`18:10.29`	`bhasker`	`has anybody used the drag and drop of the windows in gnome3 in different workspaces ?`
`18:10.39`	`bhasker`	`It is not working for me in static workspace configuration`
`18:10.54`	`holycow`	`thanks for the help guys`
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`18:11.11`	`bhasker`	`has anybody used the drag and drop of the windows in gnome3 in different workspaces ?`
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`18:12.29`	`bhasker`	`has anybody used the drag and drop of the windows in gnome3 in different workspaces ?`
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`18:14.34`	`JyZyXEL`	`interesting, when i boot up the system i see this running: root 2313 0.0 0.0 4084 612 ? Ss 20:10 0:00 startpar -f -- rc.local`
`18:14.47`	`JyZyXEL`	`and only half of the things in my rc.local have started`
`18:15.00`	`JyZyXEL`	`how can it get stuck if i have & appended in every command`
`18:15.02`	`ompaul`	`syntax`
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`18:17.13`	`JyZyXEL`	`oh yeah couple errors in there ;)`
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`18:19.02`	`ompaul`	`h2h (and for effect, short answers best ...)`
`18:20.15`	`abrotman`	`bhasker: yes, works for me, why?`
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`18:22.35`	`garotosopa`	`Hi. Where can I check why a package hasn't made from experimental into sid yet? Is there some kind of log? I'm particularly insterested in xfce4.`
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`18:23.05`	`abrotman`	`garotosopa: that's not how it works`
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`18:24.34`	`ompaul`	`garotosopa: read here please http://www.debian.org/releases/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental`
`18:24.44`	`abrotman`	`garotosopa: experimental is a playground, things don't flow from experimental to sid`
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`18:29.43`	`garotosopa`	`So is there somewhere I could see why a package isn't on its upstream version yet?`
`18:30.52`	`abrotman`	`garotosopa: likely because wheezy is frozen`
`18:32.52`	`garotosopa`	`I see. Thanks.`
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`18:41.56`	`joya`	`(I know it can be kept with an option; but why isn't it by default?)`
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`18:52.39`	`black_13_`	`what does /hd-media mean when you are using a preseed file?`
`18:53.26`	`black_13_`	`or when you specify using hd-media where do you place the preseed file`
`18:54.59`	`zleslie`	`abrotman: cat /tmp/debian-wheezy-DI-b2-amd64-netinst.iso > /dev/sdb was the command I just used to build my install usb stick. It still stops because no cdrom was detected and cannot continue.`
`18:55.19`	`zleslie`	`I have no cdrom in this system`
`18:55.48`	`black_13_`	`abrotman: greets`
`18:55.54`	`abrotman`	`black_13_: hi`
`18:56.28`	`black_13_`	`have you made or use a preseed file as part of an installation?`
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`18:56.51`	`abrotman`	`black_13_: i don't have an answer for you if that's what you mean`
`18:57.08`	`black_13_`	`if you dont you don`
`18:57.09`	`black_13_`	`dont`
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`18:58.21`	`abrotman`	`zleslie: AFAIK, that should be quite enough to work`
`18:59.03`	`abrotman`	`zleslie: is your laptop very new ?`
`18:59.47`	`syntaxx`	`i am at work and i want to access one server in my home with port 8080 in my browser. is it possible to use ssh tunnel?`
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`19:00.47`	`zleslie`	`abrotman: its a desktop, and yes, I just got it.`
`19:01.49`	`zleslie`	`I can try to get my PXE environment up, but it will take time. I just want to get debian installed on this box.`
`19:02.15`	`abrotman`	`zleslie: you can try a daily image, but i suspect oyu're going to have to go to #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net and patiently wait for an answer`
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`19:02.53`	`zleslie`	`Cool. This seems bug-ish. Of the thousands of debian machines I've installed, never this issue.`
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`19:24.03`	`robin_debspace`	`Hi guys! OK, I've got a little issue for which I need some advice. I'm running a Debian 6 server which hosts some websites using Apache and many other things. As I'd like to also use it as a phone system, I just installed Asterisk and would also like to install the FreePBX web management interface for it. I've already done that pretty much successfully, but keep getting permission issues when I try to access the interface. Now, I f`
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`19:25.10`	`abrotman`	`robin_debspace: truncated after "Now,"`
`19:26.52`	`robin_debspace`	`Oh no! Sorry about that, here's the remainder of the message:`
`19:26.53`	`robin_debspace`	`I found out that for this to work, Apache also has to run as the asterisk user, otherwise this won't work. Now, my first idea regarding this would be to setup a second Apache instance on a different port and set it up to run as the asterisk user. Would this concept work practically, and how difficult would this be to set up?`
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`19:28.16`	`abrotman`	`why would it need to run as the asterisk user?`
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`19:30.37`	`robin_debspace`	`abrotman Honestly, I'm not 100% sure about that either. I tried setting it up with Apache running as user and group www-data, but keep getting error messages when I try to access the interface. I've done some searching, and all tutorials describing the installation state that Apache needs to run as user asterisk. I guess it could be because the scripts served by Apache have to access the Asterisk daemon itself`
`19:31.00`	`robin_debspace`	`as well as other scripts in other directories, all of which belong to the user asterisk...`
`19:31.30`	`tremon`	`robin_debspace: can't you make the user apache is running as (presumably www-data) member of the asterisk group?`
`19:31.49`	`tremon`	`just make sure that the asterisk files aren't group-writable`
`19:32.33`	`abrotman`	`the GUI manager may need to be able to write to those files`
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`19:34.11`	`tremon`	`what command was it again that I have to use so that ^S (ctrl-s) is sent to tty programs, instead of eaten by the terminal? I can't seem to easily find it`
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`19:34.44`	`abrotman`	`loadkeys?`
`19:35.00`	`robin_debspace`	`tremon: hmmm, but couldn't that perhaps cause other file permission issues? For example, I have some PHP scripts that belong to the user who created them, but to the www-data group so that they can be run properly (I know this usually would not be required, but some CMS systems such as Wordpress wouldn't work without this).`
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`19:35.24`	`robin_debspace`	`It's not possible to assign multiple groups to one user… Right?`
`19:35.55`	`tremon`	`hmm... doesn't ring a bell. Oh, maybe it was a screen config setting. Anyway, i'll keep searching`
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`19:36.34`	`tremon`	`robin_debspace: but it is, try man adduser. There is only one primary group though`
`19:37.00`	`[SkG]`	`robin_debspace for dealing with permissions for apache I use apache2 with itk and run sites with the id of the owner user.`
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`19:37.40`	`tremon`	`abrotman: it was stty`
`19:38.08`	`abrotman`	`ok`
`19:38.13`	`tremon`	`(^S is bound to tty flow control, use stty stop undef to remove the mapping)`
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`19:39.05`	`robin_debspace`	`tremon: hmm OK… But I'm not sure if that would work or if it will just make life even more difficult :-) wouldn't it be better to just start a new Apache instance and separate it from everything else to make things easier?`
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`19:40.47`	`tremon`	`don't know what's easier, that would depend on what asterisk needs`
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`19:49.16`	`GNU\colossus`	`hey there, I just installed xfce on wheezy (though not via tasksel)`
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`19:49.46`	`GNU\colossus`	`I wonder what I need to get USB storage hotplugging to work, and to be able to suspend/shutdown the box via the logout dialog?`
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`19:54.09`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: xfce4-power-manager for the latter`
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`19:55.45`	`GNU\colossus`	`jelly-home: already installed; to no effect though`
`19:55.45`	`GNU\colossus`	`pm-utils is also installed`
`19:55.54`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: is it running?`
`19:56.02`	`GNU\colossus`	`(I do have the power manager applet running in my panel's notification area, yes)`
`19:56.12`	`jelly-home`	`the xfce4-power-manager process`
`19:56.23`	`GNU\colossus`	`2728 xfce4-power-manager --restart --sm-client-id 228365dde-695f-415f-ac20-84f95f23a47f`
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`19:57.15`	`jelly-home`	`hm`
`19:58.08`	`jelly-home`	`it works for me but I'm not sure what component does it, then`
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`20:00.16`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: add Action Buttons to a panel if you don't have them already; do you get a suspend option when you press the logout (down arrow) button?`
`20:00.28`	`GNU\colossus`	`nope`
`20:00.34`	`GNU\colossus`	`even power off and restart are greyed out`
`20:00.53`	`GNU\colossus`	`hmmm`
`20:00.57`	`jelly-home`	`how exactly did you install xfce?`
`20:00.58`	`GNU\colossus`	`is it possible that I need consolekit?`
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`20:01.25`	`GNU\colossus`	`jelly-home: installed task-xfce-desktop w/o recommended packages`
`20:01.31`	`GNU\colossus`	`(too much stuff pulled in I never need)`
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`20:02.02`	`GNU\colossus`	`ok, consolekit is already installed`
`20:02.18`	`bullgard4`	`Gajim reports my jabber status as "Available (not synchronized)." What does mean "not synchronized"?`
`20:02.43`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: is xfce4-goodies installed?`
`20:03.05`	`jelly-home`	`I'm just guessing wildly now`
`20:03.37`	`GNU\colossus`	`http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=365887#p365887 ._.`
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`20:04.23`	`jelly-home`	`oh good heavens, task-xfce-desktop tries to install ... xserver-xorg-video-all`
`20:04.48`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: that was 17 months ago`
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`20:05.23`	`GNU\colossus`	`gawd how I hate all that *kit stuff`
`20:05.31`	`GNU\colossus`	`should have opted for the *shit suffix instead`
`20:05.32`	`simonlnu`	`bullgard4: usually means "not logged in"`
`20:05.40`	`jelly-home`	`the only polkit* I have is polkit-kde-1`
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`20:07.01`	`simonlnu`	`GNU\colossus: the *shit suffix is certainly more amusing, if not really something you say in front of kids ;p`
`20:07.29`	`julianoliver`	`best simple, lean, blog software in the Debian stable repos?`
`20:07.34`	`thothstriangle`	`hello guys`
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`20:08.20`	`GNU\colossus`	`jelly-home: this bug (resolved) seems to hint at consolekit being responsible for granting hibernate/suspend privileges in xfce4-power-manager and -session: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=603325`
`20:08.23`	`simonlnu`	`a text editor, and optional html templating.`
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`20:09.23`	`julianoliver`	`simonlnu: that's not blog software. that's a text editor and optional html templating.`
`20:09.48`	`GNU\colossus`	`julianoliver: that's enough to power my blog, though :`
`20:09.50`	`GNU\colossus`	`:)`
`20:09.56`	`simonlnu`	`julianoliver: :)`
`20:10.03`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: do you have dbus-monitor handy? I get this http://jebo.me/pas/4 on pressing the suspend key`
`20:10.14`	`simonlnu`	`i was being facetious :).`
`20:10.28`	`julianoliver`	`GNU\colossus: and it was for me also, for a while..`
`20:10.31`	`GNU\colossus`	`jelly-home: I don't have any such button, unfortunately ;)`
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`20:10.52`	`simonlnu`	`i use wordpress lately. i've used a lot of stuff.`
`20:10.53`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: what happens when you press the Power key?`
`20:11.02`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: don't hold it, just press`
`20:11.04`	`JonathanDoe`	`Not a Sauna Air!`
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`20:11.24`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: it might send your machine directly to shutdown tho`
`20:11.30`	`GNU\colossus`	`jelly-home: I can't afford losing this session right now, don't dare to check if the acpi event leads to a straight shutdown ;)`
`20:11.39`	`simonlnu`	`can someone perma-ban this dufus?`
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`20:11.52`	`GNU\colossus`	`I'll try when I have finished the tasks that are still ongoing`
`20:12.01`	`GNU\colossus`	`(ripping LOADS of CDs right now)`
`20:12.10`	`jelly-home`	`the doofus is cycling addresses, simonlnu`
`20:12.23`	`GNU\colossus`	`jelly-home: thanks a lot for your support btw :)`
`20:12.46`	`simonlnu`	`yeh, i see that now. match on username`
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`20:13.14`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: there's an #xfce channel here, and at least one debian dev is hanging in there usually`
`20:13.53`	`simonlnu`	`(that would be +e, fyi)`
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`20:16.39`	`GNU\colossus`	`hahahaha`
`20:16.44`	`GNU\colossus`	`I'm about to THROW UP`
`20:16.55`	`GNU\colossus`	`a few minutes ago, I clicked the logout button`
`20:17.11`	`GNU\colossus`	`nothing happened, a few secs later, a message dialog popped up, because a dbus request did not receive a reply`
`20:17.17`	`simonlnu`	`for some reason, xfce is slow on the logout`
`20:17.22`	`GNU\colossus`	`OK, no harm done, so I won't see the logout dialog, right?`
`20:17.40`	`GNU\colossus`	`well a few minutes after that, suddenly - out of nowhere - the dialog appears`
`20:17.51`	`GNU\colossus`	`I dutifully click "Cancel"`
`20:17.55`	`GNU\colossus`	`and the fucking session crashes!`
`20:18.07`	`GNU\colossus`	`so much for "I can't afford to lose this session right now"`
`20:18.09`	`GNU\colossus`	`GAH!`
`20:18.18`	`GNU\colossus`	`next time, it's Squeeze or nothing.`
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`20:18.45`	`GNU\colossus`	`after installing sudo and rebooting the box, the hibernate and suspend buttons have appeared btw`
`20:18.50`	`GNU\colossus`	`dunno what's the casue for it though`
`20:18.53`	`GNU\colossus`	`cause*`
`20:18.59`	`GNU\colossus`	`but that's what I changed meanwhile`
`20:19.29`	`jelly-home`	`Hibernate appears rather erratically here, sometimes it's there sometimes it's not`
`20:19.47`	`GNU\colossus`	`really?`
`20:19.49`	`jelly-home`	`but I suspend this desktop anyway so I don't care too much`
`20:19.51`	`simonlnu`	`um, screen/tmux > rip cds`
`20:19.55`	`GNU\colossus`	`it works 100% fine on my laptop (Squeeze there)`
`20:20.20`	`GNU\colossus`	`simonlnu: yeah, it's always easy to say that AFTER you've been burned ;)`
`20:20.31`	`jelly-home`	`.pal GNU\colossus`
`20:20.32`	`GNU\colossus`	`maybe I should migrate to having screen as my login shell anyway`
`20:20.35`	`simonlnu`	`;)`
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`20:20.52`	`simonlnu`	`heh`
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`20:21.13`	`jelly-home`	`well the sentiment is there, even if I asked a nonexistent bot to laugh at GNU\colossus`
`20:21.52`	`GNU\colossus`	`that thunar-volman crap still doesn't work though`
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`20:22.10`	`GNU\colossus`	`I love how the threw away HAL because it delayed the bootup process for half a second, have I ever mentioned that?`
`20:22.11`	`dokma`	`problems with sshfs, when I mount like this: root@ip.ip.ip.ip:/var/www/ /home/vlatko/mounts/abraham/ -o gid=33,uid=1000,reconnect,IdentityFile=/root/.ssh/id_rsa -p port I cannot access the mounpoint as uid 1000 but I can as root`
`20:22.43`	`dokma`	`as uid 1000 this is what ls shows: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? abraham`
`20:22.54`	`jelly-home`	`dokma: run sshfs as the normal user, not as root.`
`20:23.08`	`dokma`	`I cannot`
`20:23.25`	`dokma`	`this is what comes up as root: drwxr-xr-x 1 vlatko www-data 4096 Ruj 14 21:44 abraham`
`20:23.44`	`jelly-home`	`that's normal for fuse-based filesystems`
`20:24.11`	`ner0x`	`Can someone explain to me how to make, or run, an init.d script as a certain user at boot?`
`20:24.15`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: so even though it shows the mount point as owned by specified uid gid only root can access?`
`20:24.17`	`ner0x`	`Or link me to some docs.`
`20:24.34`	`jelly-home`	`dokma: exactly, the namespace is reserved just for the user that did the mount. Investigate allow_other option.`
`20:24.50`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: thanks a bunch`
`20:25.24`	`jelly-home`	`but again, the easiest thing to do (and the only reliable one for me) is to run sshfs as the user that will use the mountpoint`
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`20:26.28`	`simonlnu`	`that's what i do`
`20:27.37`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: it works with allow other flag, thank you one more time`
`20:27.59`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: it must be root because the mount point is web root on a fcgid server`
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`20:28.30`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: it contains stuff owned by a bunch of users so the only way for me to reduce that to access by one user is to mount root`
`20:28.35`	`nsadmin`	`what's the current situation with X and trying to run clients (1) as other users and (2) as a user on a remote?`
`20:28.40`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: at least that's how I understand it`
`20:28.41`	`jelly-home`	`that opens new questions, but I'll choose to ignore them`
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`20:28.51`	`GNU\colossus`	`hehe`
`20:29.05`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: such as`
`20:29.15`	`jelly-home`	`you're probably doing something WRONG`
`20:29.20`	`jelly-home`	`:-)`
`20:29.28`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: I'm willing to listen to you`
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`20:31.35`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: as in I'd like to hear what is it that you think I'm doing wrong...`
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`20:32.43`	`GNU\colossus`	`btw, does anyone in here use mplayer2 from wheezy or squeeze-backports with the pulseaudio ao driver?`
`20:33.13`	`GNU\colossus`	`mplayer2 always hangs indefinitely for me when playback of a video or audio file should end`
`20:33.33`	`GNU\colossus`	`if I switch to -ao alsa (which is routed to PA with PA's alsa emulation...), everything works fine`
`20:34.23`	`jelly-home`	`dokma: sorry, too late in the evening for me to think straight, shouldn't have mentioned anything. Just remember sshfs is a sftp wrapper, not a real posix-compliant fs`
`20:35.36`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: I understand that. I'm using it to debug php scripts remote on a production server by temporarily enabling xdebug. I use SSHFS to build the project in place from Eclipse`
`20:35.52`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: after I finish the debug session I just turn everything off.`
`20:36.04`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: are you trying to hint at some security flaws in this or what?`
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`20:36.22`	`jelly-home`	`not hinting at anything, forget it`
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`20:36.38`	`dokma`	`jelly-home: ok, thanks for help one more. you were on point!`
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`20:39.54`	`jelly-home`	`if I wanted to build glmark2, an Ubuntu package, on Debian, which deb-src lines would I add to fetch the source? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/glmark2`
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`20:40.20`	`Flynn`	`if i need libssl on debian sid`
`20:40.24`	`Flynn`	`would libssl-dev work?`
`20:40.31`	`Flynn`	`or does anyone know the actual package`
`20:40.34`	`drhouse123`	`hi! can I select desktop kde while installing by hd-media?`
`20:41.10`	`jelly-home`	`Flynn: if you need it to build things from source, then yes`
`20:41.25`	`Flynn`	`its a dependency from spotify`
`20:41.36`	`Flynn`	`but a regular devssl isn't available`
`20:41.39`	`Flynn`	`in debians repos`
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`20:41.54`	`Flynn`	`i mean`
`20:41.56`	`GNU\colossus`	`libssl-dev - SSL development libraries, header files and documentation`
`20:41.58`	`Flynn`	`libssl*`
`20:42.00`	`tremon`	`Flynn: depends on the version, there's libssl1.0.0 and libssl0.9.8`
`20:42.00`	`jelly-home`	`Flynn: a build dependency, or a binary dependency?`
`20:42.02`	`Flynn`	`im a goose`
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`20:42.25`	`jelly-home`	`\_o<`
`20:42.26`	`Flynn`	`ill try it again after im done updating sid`
`20:42.28`	`Flynn`	`and check`
`20:42.41`	`tremon`	`Flynn: for sid, there's only libssl1.0.0`
`20:42.54`	`Flynn`	`would it be compatible even though its a newer version?`
`20:43.07`	`Flynn`	`or would i need to pin from squeeze or something`
`20:43.36`	`Flynn`	`the main goal is to get spotify for linux working`
`20:44.44`	`jelly-home`	`do the spotify people give out their software as source or as binary?`
`20:44.56`	`drhouse123`	`I'm going to install debian using hd-media. can I select desktop type during install ? there's no option to select kde, gnome or another...`
`20:44.58`	`tremon`	`jelly-home: don't ubuntu ppa's pre-format the deb-lines you need?`
`20:45.14`	`jelly-home`	`tremon: it's not a ppa, just a regular package`
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`20:45.55`	`tremon`	`jelly-home: well, there's always packages.ubuntu.com :)`
`20:47.18`	`tremon`	`...which says it's only in precise, universe`
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`20:48.16`	`Iridos`	`jelly-home, but that's a duck!`
`20:48.20`	`jelly-home`	`I can download the .{orig,debian}.tar.gz from the page linked, just wanted some automation instead`
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`20:50.24`	`tremon`	`jelly-home: deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise universe ?`
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`20:50.46`	`jelly-home`	`Iridos: I AM EXPOSED`
`20:51.45`	`Iridos`	`rrrrrr`
`20:51.51`	`GNU\colossus`	`there's probably nothing in the world of computer hardware that I despise more than optical media`
`20:51.55`	`jelly-home`	`the goose, I mean, duck, is out`
`20:52.27`	`GNU\colossus`	`my whole fricking desktop is vibrating so hard, my ears are about to pop`
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`20:52.39`	`Iridos`	`jelly-home, do your web searches in goosegosefly :D`
`20:53.36`	`krababbel`	`hey`
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`20:54.08`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: you can limit the cd speed for reading`
`20:55.01`	`jelly-home`	`cdparanoia has a --force-read-speed`
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`20:55.37`	`GNU\colossus`	`jelly-home: yeah, I know - thing is, the drive's firmware seems to ignore it`
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`20:55.48`	`GNU\colossus`	`I usually use hdparm -E`
`20:56.05`	`jelly-home`	`GNU\colossus: THIS is why I kept an old SCSI Plextor somewhere`
`20:56.08`	`GNU\colossus`	`I'd really like to cram that drive down the firmware programmer's throat`
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`20:57.39`	`tremon`	`also still uses an ide-based LiteOn drive because it's Plextor Inside (tm)`
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`20:58.18`	`bfig`	help, how can i know the name of an application that takes my port 8080? i know the pid with `fuser -k -n tcp 8080`, how can i make it in a single command to get the process name?
`20:58.25`	`bfig`	`it's intermittently taking my port and causing me a headache`
`20:58.38`	`tremon`	`bfig: netstat -p`
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`20:58.54`	`tremon`	`(usually you need to be root)`
`21:01.37`	`jelly-home`	`bfig: uh, that -k will kill the process`
`21:01.47`	`bfig`	`can i do something like tail -f with the use of that socket?`
`21:01.55`	`bfig`	`because it's taking it intermittently`
`21:02.15`	`tremon`	`watch 'netstat -lnp \| grep 8080'`
`21:02.38`	`jelly-home`	`bfig: since you're already using fuser, you can extend it to something like ps -ocomm -p $(fuser -n tcp 22)`
`21:03.07`	`bfig`	`jsvc.exec -> what is this?`
`21:03.42`	`GNU\colossus`	`bfig: a wrapper program for java (server) software`
`21:03.45`	`jelly-home`	`Description-en: wrapper to launch Java applications as daemons`
`21:03.50`	`GNU\colossus`	`usually used to invoke Apache Tomcat`
`21:04.05`	`jelly-home`	`prefers java service wrapper for Tomcat`
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`21:04.48`	`bfig`	`god dammit thanks`
`21:04.58`	`bfig`	`:)`
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`21:17.58`	`symlink`	`anyone knows how to get moc to run a song at boot?`
`21:18.57`	`nkuttler`	`symlink: write an init script? hook it into your dm?`
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`21:19.06`	`simonlnu`	`what he said`
`21:19.12`	`GNU\colossus`	`that sounds like a job for /etc/rc.local`
`21:19.29`	`simonlnu`	`du, du du dooooo!`
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`21:20.01`	`symlink`	`what's the diff between rc2.d (default) and rc.local?`
`21:20.19`	`nkuttler`	`!tell symlink about rc.local`
`21:21.02`	`nsadmin`	`symlink, it's sorta for the same purpose (run things at start) but each are part of two very different mechanisms`
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`21:21.41`	`symlink`	`it's the last script to run though, kind of defeats the purpouse of playing a song during boot`
`21:22.00`	`simonlnu`	`porpoise`
`21:22.11`	`abrotman`	`symlink: so use an init script, have it start early in the process`
`21:22.18`	`simonlnu`	`;p`
`21:22.29`	`symlink`	`thx mr.grammar nazi`
`21:22.46`	`symlink`	`so rc2.d it is i guess`
`21:22.54`	`simonlnu`	`that was a joke :/`
`21:23.15`	`symlink`	`so was mine`
`21:24.20`	`symlink`	`anyways, i reckon i have to make it boot after alsa to make it work`
`21:24.30`	`symlink`	`start*`
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`21:25.07`	`nkuttler`	`or you could beep a melody..`
`21:25.49`	`symlink`	`i guess that would work too`
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`21:27.54`	`symlink`	`wait, doesn't alsa start before any runlevel anyways?`
`21:29.03`	`miwa`	`okay, so hopefully someone here can give me an answer.. I've installed debian after not having used it for several years, after reconfiguring the eth0 network interface so it's no longer dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces and restarting networking I get the proper ip-adress and settings, but after a while it switches back to dhcp, why?`
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`21:29.39`	`julianoliver`	`miwa: because dhclient is running as a daemon in the bg?`
`21:29.46`	`blubberdiblub`	`symlink, you can use the dependency stuff in init scripts and have your init script depend on alsa`
`21:29.47`	`Erdon`	`symlink: btw, if your goal is just to play a single audio file, you're probably better off using play from sox than a full music player like moc`
`21:30.09`	`julianoliver`	`miwa: ps ax \| grep dhc`
`21:30.14`	`miwa`	`julianoliver: it was ^^`
`21:30.16`	`miwa`	`thank you :)`
`21:30.23`	`peterrooney`	`miwa: my vote is, "welcome to the nightmare that is network-manager"`
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`21:30.36`	`julianoliver`	`no probs.`
`21:30.52`	`miwa`	`follow-up question: shouldn't doing /etc/init.d/networking restart kill the dhclient daemon? :P`
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`21:31.07`	`abrotman`	`depends what started it ?`
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`21:31.28`	`julianoliver`	`miwa: i'd have thought so yes.. it may be the horrible gnome network-manager, as peterrooney suggests.`
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`21:31.35`	`blubberdiblub`	`symlink, or rather "alsa-utils", since the init script is called that way`
`21:31.49`	`julianoliver`	`miwa: run pstree and see what's the parent process`
`21:31.53`	`miwa`	`well, I'm not running an X server, so hopefully I'm clean of any gnome stuff`
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`21:32.07`	`abrotman`	`network-manager isn't just a gnome thing`
`21:32.13`	`tremon`	`miwa: the networking script isn't stateful. So if you modify it and then do networking restart, it will restart with its current config`
`21:32.14`	`julianoliver`	`miwa: ok. that is a little odd then.`
`21:32.16`	`julianoliver`	`abrotman: true`
`21:32.29`	`tremon`	`there isn't any way for the networking script to know that it has been altered in the meantime`
`21:32.30`	`simonlnu`	`thank you mr. mind reader abrotman ;)`
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`21:32.48`	`miwa`	`tremon: that makes sense I guess, it still confused me though ^^`
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`21:34.01`	`symlink`	`erdon, what is sox?`
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`21:34.24`	`julianoliver`	`miwa: relatedly: i've noticed on my Debian stable laptop that in recent months invoking dhclient will not kill the previous daemon, resulting in multiple instances of dhclient.`
`21:34.28`	`Erdon`	`symlink: "Swiss army knife of sound processing"`
`21:34.54`	`nsadmin`	`symlink, for feetz n shuz... seriously... sound exchange`
`21:34.55`	`abrotman`	`symlink: apt-cache show sox`
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`21:36.40`	`julianoliver`	`if only there was an 'apt-cache --pair-orphaned-socks'`
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`21:36.54`	`symlink`	`seems like just the thing i need`
`21:36.55`	`symlink`	`thanks`
`21:37.31`	`simonlnu`	`--pair-orphaned-socks sounds like a useful tool, to counteract washing-machine --eat-socks-randomly`
`21:37.35`	`miwa`	`julianoliver: I didn't invoke dhclient manually, it was just the dhclient that had been started by the networking script when the system booted that was still lying around I guess`
`21:38.11`	`julianoliver`	`simonlnu: tell me about it. i swear the LHC is light years behind every washing machine i've lived with. some seriously advanced stuff goes on in there..`
`21:38.28`	`julianoliver`	`miwa: likely..`
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`21:40.48`	`julianoliver`	`simonlnu: somewhere, deep in the chill of space, a cloud of trillions of lost socks rotates slowly.`
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`21:41.16`	`simonlnu`	`slowly forming into a neutron star`
`21:41.56`	`debtor77`	`I am kind of new to irssi and would like to know how to leave a channel and how to reconnect`
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`21:42.32`	`debtor77`	`I am kind of new to irssi and would like to know how to leave a channel and how to reconnect?`
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`21:42.47`	`julianoliver`	`simonlnu: it's real. very real.`
`21:42.53`	`kaosu`	`debtor77: http://irssi.org/documentation/manual`
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`21:43.00`	`simonlnu`	`debtor77: /part, like any other client, and /cycle to part and re-join`
`21:43.20`	`simonlnu`	`and read that ^^ that kaosu pasted`
`21:45.20`	`simonlnu`	`the light at the end of the tunnel needs to reboot to load the new kernel`
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`21:48.28`	`simonlnu`	`julianoliver: pretty soon, you'll have a quasar form, and have some of those socks beamed back at us at the speed of light`
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`21:49.28`	`Erdon`	`i think they go to the same dimension that lost guitar picks go`
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`21:52.22`	`julianoliver`	`simonlnu: I fear that it may be the only thing that can save us from a cruelly ironic end: Studies show that the increased density of the Neutrino Sock Star is set to eat a neighbouring galaxy: the Milky Way.`
`21:52.47`	`julianoliver`	`simonlnu: We, I, need those socks back and now.`
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`21:53.17`	`simonlnu`	`#debian-offtopic ?`
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`21:54.45`	`julianoliver`	`hehe yes, probably. i'm going to get back to some shell scripting - or at least try to after watching these screencasts of Xiki http://xiki.org/screencasts/`
`21:55.21`	`dioz`	`can i ask a question?`
`21:55.24`	`dioz`	`i'm gonna ask a questoijn`
`21:55.39`	`dioz`	`i have a usb device (wlan) and it's a usb device`
`21:55.48`	`dioz`	`i connected it via usb installed the appropriate drivers`
`21:55.55`	`dioz`	`installed the wireless utils`
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`21:56.17`	`dioz`	`iwlist does nothing`
`21:56.40`	`dioz`	`apt-get install ralink-firmware and wireless-tools`
`21:57.00`	`jeep`	`dioz: how does lsusb identify it`
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`21:57.10`	`dioz`	`i've indentified it`
`21:57.11`	`anoob`	`I've installed junit through aptitude (# aptitude install junit). When I try to run a test junit isn't found ...`
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`21:57.19`	`nsadmin`	`can I ask a question if we all live in a yellow submarine?`
`21:57.25`	`dioz`	`i live in a green one`
`21:57.29`	`dioz`	`it's hazy in here`
`21:57.33`	`nsadmin`	`oh ok :)`
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`21:58.03`	`dioz`	`jeep: i was going by this website`
`21:58.04`	`dioz`	`http://www.wikidevi.com/wiki/TP-LINK_TL-WN727N_v3`
`21:58.11`	`jeep`	`anoob: in a shell updatedb then locate junit .. it may be called junit2 for example`
`21:58.25`	`dioz`	`it claims rt2800usb experimental`
`21:58.30`	`dioz`	`what does that mean? do you know?`
`21:58.43`	`dioz`	`am i asking in the wrong place?`
`21:58.44`	`jeep`	`dioz: means most likely not to work`
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`21:59.08`	`jeep`	`dioz: post what lsusb says about it i wanna research`
`21:59.24`	`dioz`	`Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter`
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`22:00.01`	`anoob`	`jeep, http://pastebin.com/tBGkygEi`
`22:01.00`	`jeep`	`dioz: can you unplug / replug it then pastebin your dmesg`
`22:01.13`	`dioz`	`can i ever one sec`
`22:01.45`	`julianoliver`	`dioz: you may need to get the latest compat-wireless, compile and install it: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Devices/USB`
`22:01.59`	`julianoliver`	`i see your device in that list of 'supported devices'.`
`22:02.03`	`jeep`	`anoob: /usr/bin/junit`
`22:02.18`	`jeep`	`anoob: if you run that what happens ?`
`22:02.23`	`dioz`	`jeep: it does nothing`
`22:02.29`	`dioz`	`i tail -f /car/log/dmsg`
`22:02.31`	`anoob`	`now i see a gui jeep`
`22:02.36`	`dioz`	`unplugged and plugged back in and it does nothing`
`22:02.38`	`anoob`	`i want to use junit with netbeans`
`22:02.56`	`dioz`	`julianoliver: i have never done wireless on linux`
`22:02.58`	`dioz`	`i am noooob`
`22:03.02`	`jeep`	`dioz: just type dmesg in the shell it should show something`
`22:03.41`	`julianoliver`	`dioz: new cards often are not supported out of the box on most distros. compat-wireless project is there for this reason.`
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`22:03.59`	`wiremaster`	`hello, good evening`
`22:04.12`	`wiremaster`	`I'm using a program called osmosis`
`22:04.18`	`dioz`	`jeep: http://pastebin.com/6Zcc8Pzz`
`22:04.18`	`wiremaster`	`it's based on Java`
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`22:05.02`	`julianoliver`	`dioz: if you '/sbin/iwconfig' do you see the card in the list?`
`22:05.14`	`wiremaster`	`I'm getting this error when trying to execute: GNU MP: Cannot allocate memory (size = 4)`
`22:05.32`	`wiremaster`	`apparently this is an error for many programs and not limited to osmosis, so I'm doing something wrong at the OS level`
`22:05.40`	`dioz`	`julianoliver: it lists my interfaces and says none of them have wireless extensions`
`22:05.51`	`julianoliver`	`dioz: i fear you need to install compat-wireless.`
`22:05.52`	`jeep`	`dioz: your kernel doesnt have a module for it`
`22:06.07`	`julianoliver`	`dioz: http://linuxwireless.org/`
`22:07.23`	`wiremaster`	`there's about 3GB RAM on this system`
`22:07.37`	`wiremaster`	`and I did not get the memory error even on a 512MB server`
`22:08.02`	`wiremaster`	`the server has a very slow processor so I shifted to a local more powerful computer instead`
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`22:08.29`	`abrotman`	`!tell dioz about rt5370`
`22:08.57`	`cyanboy`	`Hey, I tried to install Wheezy, but when the installation was finished it started booting and then my monitor turned into something that looked like TV snow`
`22:09.31`	`GNU\colossus`	`good night, you princes of maine ;)`
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`22:10.06`	`abrotman`	`cyanboy: did you install a DM? like GDM or anything ?`
`22:10.38`	`cyanboy`	`I went for the one bundled with KDE`
`22:10.48`	`abrotman`	`cyanboy: did it install kdm ?`
`22:11.33`	`cyanboy`	`I assume so. It was at least not an option to not install it, in the installation process`
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`22:12.40`	`abrotman`	`you maybve should check`
`22:13.21`	`cyanboy`	`I don't know how I would do that. I can't get into recovery mode either`
`22:13.39`	`jeep`	`cyanboy: alt control f1 should take you to a shell`
`22:15.41`	`cyanboy`	`doesn't work =/`
`22:16.03`	`abrotman`	`alt-f1 ?`
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`22:16.23`	`cyanboy`	`Still screen fuzz`
`22:16.40`	`nsadmin`	`cyanboy, once you do get there, alt-F7 gets you back`
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`22:17.01`	`cyanboy`	`I can't get any response at all`
`22:17.12`	`jeep`	`cyanboy: is it a desktop ?`
`22:17.27`	`cyanboy`	`yes`
`22:17.34`	`jeep`	`cyanboy: you dont have a logitech keyboard with f-lock do you ?`
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`22:17.39`	`abrotman`	`cyanboy: tried booting to single user mode ?`
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`22:17.48`	`cyanboy`	`meaning?`
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`22:18.28`	`abrotman`	`!tell cyanboy about single-user mode`
`22:18.38`	`antivirtel`	`hello. I can't found a CLI method how to connect to WiFi AP with HIDDEN SSID, the normal works, but when I hide the AP, it can't connect again -.-`
`22:18.44`	`antivirtel`	`please help!`
`22:19.03`	`jeep`	`antivirtel: iwconfig ?`
`22:19.24`	`dioz`	`i am confused jeep abrotman you pointed me to a link i had already read`
`22:19.35`	`antivirtel`	`jeep yes, and then?`
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`22:19.43`	`dioz`	`i have installed the firmware-ralink`
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`22:20.40`	`jeep`	`dioz: have you rebooted by chance after installing them ?`
`22:20.45`	`dioz`	`no`
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`22:21.19`	`jeep`	`dioz: im not sure if the installer loads the module .. rebooting will load it`
`22:21.33`	`jeep`	`dioz: you can modprobe foo if you know name of it`
`22:21.38`	`FilipeMaia`	`Does anyone have experience with gridftp? It seems to be a pain in the ass to install.`
`22:21.53`	`jeep`	`dioz: lsmodwill show if its loaded`
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`22:22.16`	`jeep`	`dioz: you need to restart x also /etc/init.d/kdm restart`
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`22:23.14`	`abrotman`	`dioz: and your kernel is ?`
`22:24.15`	`jeep`	`antivirtel: wicd/netrwork manager ect. all support hidden ap connecting shouldnt be a problem however iwconfig can do it manually`
`22:26.08`	`antivirtel`	`jeep can you tell me how iwconfig does it?`
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`22:27.51`	`dioz`	`abrotman: 2.6.32-5-amd64`
`22:28.15`	`dioz`	`jeep: i've modprobed all the available modules listed for ralink`
`22:28.24`	`jeep`	`antivirtel: sorry i dont have it memorized youll have to grab a sample offline`
`22:29.05`	`jeep`	`antivirtel: i am using wicd with wmaker right now`
`22:29.17`	`jeep`	`dioz: restart x ?`
`22:29.23`	`abrotman`	`dioz: so you didn't actually read what the bot said?`
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`22:29.50`	`dioz`	`oh jc`
`22:29.53`	`dioz`	`abrotman: sorry dude`
`22:30.00`	`abrotman`	`!tell dioz about bpo`
`22:30.01`	`dioz`	`as of 3.0`
`22:30.08`	`abrotman`	`dioz: important fact there :)`
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`22:30.20`	`dioz`	`yeah idk wtf`
`22:30.23`	`dioz`	`sorry dude really sorry`
`22:30.32`	`abrotman`	`don't sweat it .`
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`22:34.29`	`lighterapp`	`how can i view a powerpoint 2007 file on an old Pentium II 128MB RAM. Neither openoffice nor libreoffice are options because of limited RAM and low spec CPU`
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`22:35.05`	`lighterapp`	`using free software and without wine and/or java`
`22:35.11`	`abrotman`	`lighterapp: openoffice`
`22:35.53`	`abrotman`	`lighterapp: did you 'apt-cache search powerpoint' to see what comes up?`
`22:36.05`	`kaosu`	`Have you tried Google Docs?`
`22:36.29`	`lighterapp`	`openoffice require as the very very minimum 256M (512 is strongly recommended) i have 128MB RAM.`
`22:36.38`	`themill`	`lighterapp: I suspect you're either going to need to learn to wait a long time for apps to load or save up for a new machine.`
`22:37.11`	`abrotman`	`if he'd actually learn to search for himself, he'd see other options`
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`22:38.49`	`lighterapp`	`google docs is not an option if you have 128MB RAM`
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`22:39.17`	`themill`	`lighterapp: you seem to want to convince us that nothing is an option.`
`22:39.46`	`lighterapp`	`abrotman, it came up with ripole, has anyone use ripole with ppt 2003 files?`
`22:39.53`	`abrotman`	`lighterapp: you're about to try it .. good luck`
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`22:40.32`	`abrotman`	`though i doubt extracting the OLE stuff is whwat you want, i'd look for another optoin`
`22:40.49`	`lighterapp`	`ok, will do so later. thanks bye`
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`22:43.06`	`gdea73`	`I just uninstalled an apparently unsuccessful copy of fglrx that I installed from the .run file, and now I have just an erratically flashing cursor on boot.`
`22:43.39`	`gdea73`	`How do I install the correct open source drivers again so at least the server will boot?`
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`23:11.54`	`black_13`	`has anyone here some experience with using a preseed file for automatic installation`
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`23:13.22`	`Artemis3`	`i have some`
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`23:13.30`	`dvs`	`!anyone`
`23:13.30`	`dpkg`	`Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.`
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`23:21.12`	`ectospasm`	`!ask \| black_13`
`23:21.17`	`abrotman`	`almost ..`
`23:21.38`	`ectospasm`	`!ask`
`23:21.39`	`dpkg`	`If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.`
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`23:22.34`	`black_13`	`i thought i did`
`23:23.06`	`black_13`	`what does hd-media mean when using a preseed file?`
`23:23.51`	`black_13`	`or when you state hd-media where should the preseed file be located is this in the root of iso or in the root of intial ram disk or in squashed file system?`
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`23:28.58`	`qubits`	`trying to setup a magnet link handler`
`23:29.02`	`qubits`	`anyone know how in gnome`
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`23:34.10`	`nsadmin`	`where do the links stick to? sounds like bookmarks or sticky notes to me`
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`23:38.49`	`Coweater`	`qubits: https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/MagnetLinks would just have to edit the first command with your client and if it's a terminal client change the second line`
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`23:44.29`	`qubits`	`CowboyNeal,`
`23:44.31`	`qubits`	`Coweater,`
`23:44.42`	`qubits`	`: GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:`
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`23:48.13`	`Raheem`	`Anyone here interested in making sketches for an upcoming game???`
`23:48.19`	`Coweater`	`qubits: do you have dbus installed/running?`
`23:48.29`	`qubits`	`yes`
`23:48.30`	`qubits`	`its running`
`23:48.56`	`qubits`	`oic`
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`23:48.58`	`qubits`	`i did it as root`
`23:51.19`	`qubits`	`Coweater, i did that but firefox still wont recognize them`
`23:51.23`	`qubits`	`im in wheezy`
`23:51.36`	`Sw33NY_`	`hi all, I'm trying to use mdadm raid1+0 with Adaptec 6405E but I don't see disks when I do "fdisk -l" Is anyone know how to fix it please ?`
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