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| 00:14.00 | nsadmin | anyone know where .debs are stored while the installer is running? |
| 00:14.35 | dax | nsadmin: /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
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| 00:15.55 | nsadmin | dax, on the target? they don't seem to be there... oh well; I looked at all the partitions and there are no .debs anywhere |
| 00:16.41 | dax | oh, derp, installer as in debian-installer. ignore me, I have no idea |
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| 00:18.12 | nsadmin | I'll just reinstall and install a grub on the primary partition |
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| 00:19.03 | nsadmin | here I go... |
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| 00:19.35 | Tree_Hugger | okay I'm trying change my resolution through xorg.conf. however xorg.conf does not exist. BUT, I do have x11 folder, so I try open x11 folder under terminal as root, it keep saying it does not exist. I went through many different folders and I found /usr/sbin/x11/xorg so I decided edit under that and there is nothing on xorg.conf. |
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| 00:20.34 | Tree_Hugger | what can I do? |
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| 00:21.34 | GTRsdk | does apt-build actually have the -march=native (or whatever was chosen) flags added to compiling? |
| 00:22.28 | Tree_Hugger | not sure |
| 00:25.44 | talsamon | Tree_Hugger, you have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ., after grub start you have to create and edit this file x should not be started |
| 00:26.03 | talsamon | on the kommandline |
| 00:26.19 | talsamon | c |
| 00:27.29 | Tree_Hugger | so, I need stop all X files/folders, to order to edit it? |
| 00:27.49 | Tree_Hugger | stop x |
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| 00:28.28 | talsamon | no, you reboot , and make ctrl+alt+f2 , on this shell you edit |
| 00:28.49 | Tree_Hugger | oh I see |
| 00:28.50 | talsamon | or f1, f3, f4 |
| 00:28.52 | GTRsdk | hmm |
| 00:29.02 | GTRsdk | dpkg says apt-build will not optimize as advertized |
| 00:29.03 | dpkg | GTRsdk: wish i knew |
| 00:29.24 | Tree_Hugger | nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf |
| 00:29.25 | Tree_Hugger | right? |
| 00:29.28 | Tree_Hugger | kk |
| 00:29.49 | talsamon | nano or vim ok |
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| 00:30.47 | talsamon | Tree_Hugger, there's a Xorg channel... |
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| 00:33.28 | GTRsdk | dpkg: apt-build |
| 00:33.29 | dpkg | somebody said apt-build was an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/projects/ . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 00:33.51 | GTRsdk | Can anyone confirm that it doesn't optimized? |
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| 00:34.23 | GTRsdk | doesn't see -march or -O3 in the output.... maybe the flags are hidden? |
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| 00:35.27 | mutante | ever came across a bug in Iceweasel where you can keep browsing and opening new tabs as much as you like but can't close any tabs anymore?:p |
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| 00:36.32 | abrotman | GTRsdk: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 00:37.01 | GTRsdk | abrotman: a fast system |
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| 00:38.22 | abrotman | GTRsdk: uhm, not really what i was asking |
| 00:38.41 | abrotman | GTRsdk: good luck! |
| 00:39.31 | ghostlines | does Exim4 ever give an error when you run update.exim4.conf after incorrectly editing a conf file, it doesn't seem to be accepting changes I make a to auth/30_exim4-config_examples |
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| 00:43.49 | gnarface | ghostlines: are you sure you are not using /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template instead? |
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| 00:47.49 | ghostlines | gnarface, thought I was using both, some general settings in exim4.conf.template and auth settings in other file |
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| 00:48.22 | Tree_Hugger | wtf |
| 00:48.35 | Tree_Hugger | so I took your advice and x11 does not exist |
| 00:48.42 | Tree_Hugger | I see it |
| 00:48.46 | Tree_Hugger | on my file manager |
| 00:48.47 | gnarface | ghostlines: no, the conf.d subdirectory is mutually exclusive with the .template file |
| 00:48.53 | Tree_Hugger | this is bullshit |
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| 00:49.58 | ghostlines | gnarface, damn! So I think the conf.d/ is for the split conf, and the exim4.conf.template for the unsplit conf? |
| 00:50.10 | gnarface | ghostlines: that is correct |
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| 00:50.21 | ghostlines | a revelation |
| 00:50.47 | ghostlines | thx, now I think I can get this to work |
| 00:50.54 | gnarface | good luck |
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| 00:51.48 | talsamon | Tree_Hugger, sorry /etc/X11/ with a uppcase X |
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| 00:54.03 | Tree_Hugger | yea |
| 00:54.05 | Tree_Hugger | I tried that |
| 00:54.09 | Tree_Hugger | still doesn't exist |
| 00:54.25 | Tree_Hugger | I see it through file manager |
| 00:54.26 | Tree_Hugger | I don't get it |
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| 00:57.14 | talsamon | Tree_Hugger, you right, i was on ubuntu, in wheezy /etc/X11 don't exist.... |
| 00:57.28 | abrotman | uh, yes it does |
| 00:58.20 | talsamon | abrotman, ok, i was too fast |
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| 01:02.24 | talsamon | Tree_Hugger, what's not exist the /etc/X11 folder or the xorg.conf |
| 01:02.26 | talsamon | ? |
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| 01:03.49 | tinkster | What's the debian way of making source routes permanent? I could just slap a series of ip commands into rc.local, but it feels wrong |
| 01:04.57 | Tree_Hugger | X11 folder does not exist |
| 01:05.17 | Tree_Hugger | I see it as the file manager |
| 01:05.20 | somiaj | tinkster: these routes are attached to an interface, use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:05.23 | Tree_Hugger | but in terminal it does not exist |
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| 01:05.37 | somiaj | tinkster: and add a preup/postup script that sets up the routes when the interface is brought up |
| 01:06.04 | Tree_Hugger | I mean, this is freshly new installed os |
| 01:06.04 | dioz | so why wouldn't someone just say "the installer on the ati website works with wheezy" in regards to the fglrx |
| 01:06.13 | tinkster | somiaj, can I basically point pre-/postup at anything at all? |
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| 01:06.27 | somiaj | tinkster: though 'man 5 interfaces' the options you want may already be there if they are just ip commands |
| 01:06.56 | somiaj | tinkster: correct, they are just scripts you can do what ever you want. You may want to also ahve a post/pre down script to remove the routes when the interface is brought down |
| 01:07.13 | Tree_Hugger | can't be corrupted |
| 01:07.14 | tinkster | Cool ... |
| 01:07.43 | talsamon | Tree_Hugger, there's something wrong with the installation of Xorg - reinstall it i would, but i would say ask in the Xorg-channel |
| 01:07.49 | somiaj | tinkster: note this is assuming you don't use a network-manager to manage your interfaces. |
| 01:07.53 | tinkster | I did read interfaces(5), and the admin guide it references, but there isn't really much talk about "ip" in it ... |
| 01:08.16 | tinkster | somiaj, No, I don't .... I don't trust it further than I can spit a rat |
| 01:08.17 | somiaj | yea I think the interfaces file preferences use ifconfig |
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| 01:09.24 | abrotman | there's nothing wrong with his Xorg |
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| 01:09.52 | Tree_Hugger | thats a lie |
| 01:10.03 | abrotman | not likely |
| 01:10.05 | tinkster | My problem is that I have a dual-homed server (different subnets in the same net), and quite a few services are broken because they only bind to one interface; but when a client comes in on the IF they're not on they connect to the service on the primary interface, but the response goes out on the 2ndry ... |
| 01:10.15 | tinkster | and the client just goes "meh" |
| 01:11.41 | Tree_Hugger | I need to fix the resolution |
| 01:11.42 | Tree_Hugger | 800x600 |
| 01:11.42 | Tree_Hugger | hah |
| 01:12.04 | dioz | tinkster: it's called arp flux |
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| 01:14.12 | bool | I am starting the x server with startx, but my mouse cursor is invisible. However, if I install xdm and run xdm, the cursor is visible. Any ideas? |
| 01:15.12 | tinkster | heh |
| 01:15.23 | tinkster | thx dioz - a new phrase for me ;} |
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| 01:17.01 | dioz | you have two nics in the same lan |
| 01:17.05 | dioz | with services running on them |
| 01:17.07 | dioz | is that what you said? |
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| 01:18.03 | Tree_Hugger | oh finally I managed to get in X11 folder |
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| 01:18.14 | Tree_Hugger | xorg-configure does not exist |
| 01:18.21 | Tree_Hugger | so I did nano xorg |
| 01:18.24 | Tree_Hugger | nothing is in it |
| 01:19.04 | somiaj | well you want the file name to be xorg.conf |
| 01:19.17 | Tree_Hugger | er |
| 01:19.19 | Tree_Hugger | yea |
| 01:19.20 | somiaj | and yes by default there will be no or an empty xorg.conf file |
| 01:19.27 | Tree_Hugger | there is empty xorg.conf |
| 01:19.33 | Tree_Hugger | i forgot to type .conf on here. :p |
| 01:19.40 | Tree_Hugger | but I did type that through terminal |
| 01:19.56 | Tree_Hugger | according to the debian website, it said there would be a setup thing |
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| 01:22.07 | somiaj | there is, but mostly you want to let xorg automatically detect things. Are you wanting to add a few lines to setup nvidia/fglrx |
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| 01:25.54 | gnarface | xorg auto detection blows |
| 01:26.25 | somiaj | works just fine for most things, which is a nice improvment from the days people were talking about xorg.conf files in here way to often |
| 01:26.48 | gnarface | somiaj: yes but your advice is lame for anyone who can tell the difference between 800x600 and 1900x1200 |
| 01:26.57 | somiaj | (there are a few thigns that need to improve, I just wish the non-free graphic driver packages would include a copy of the small snippet they need that can just be copied over to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | somiaj: wishlist bug? |
| 01:27.47 | somiaj | gnarface: I have yet to have the xorg auto detection not try to use the max resolution of my monintor according to its EDID |
| 01:27.56 | Tree_Hugger1 | do I have to manually type resolution in? |
| 01:27.57 | somiaj | abrotman: good call, I should see if there is one. |
| 01:28.19 | gnarface | somiaj: it depends largely on the type of display you use. clearly you've generally not had a lot of experience. |
| 01:28.29 | somiaj | usually when xorg gives you 800x600 I notice it is usually bad driver detection as opposed to resolution dection. |
| 01:29.19 | Tree_Hugger1 | :s |
| 01:29.20 | Tree_Hugger1 | everything that xorg needs |
| 01:29.49 | somiaj | Tree_Hugger1: I haven't been following what you are doing, but in many cases you can get away with just telling xorg to use your non-free driver and it will detect the rest |
| 01:30.14 | Tree_Hugger1 | but I have window 7 on my other harddrive and it works.... I don't think its the driver issue.. I dunno |
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| 01:30.42 | somiaj | Tree_Hugger1: what is it you are trying to do again? |
| 01:30.44 | gnarface | Tree_Hugger1: what is your physical display? |
| 01:30.52 | Tree_Hugger1 | somiaj, nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf nothing is in xorg.conf |
| 01:30.54 | abrotman | right, the driver in windows is clearly related to the driver in Debian .. |
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| 01:31.08 | gdea73 | Usermod -G "group1,group2,etc." "username" is not taking effect for some reason. |
| 01:31.15 | Tree_Hugger1 | debian said that there should be a set up feature |
| 01:31.17 | Tree_Hugger1 | or soemthing |
| 01:31.19 | gdea73 | Even if I run the command "newgroup" |
| 01:31.23 | abrotman | gdea73: logout/login ? |
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| 01:31.35 | Tree_Hugger1 | its at 800x600 |
| 01:31.40 | gdea73 | eh ok |
| 01:31.41 | somiaj | Tree_Hugger1: again why are you needed to write an xorg.conf file. What are you trying to do? Use non-free nvidia or fglrx driver? |
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| 01:31.41 | Tree_Hugger1 | no other resolution |
| 01:31.47 | Tree_Hugger1 | T.T |
| 01:31.55 | somiaj | Tree_Hugger1: have you read though your Xorg.0.log to see what it is detecting? |
| 01:32.04 | Tree_Hugger1 | no |
| 01:32.07 | Tree_Hugger1 | I dunno how to do that |
| 01:32.17 | somiaj | just less that file, read though it or share it on paste.debian.net |
| 01:32.33 | somiaj | file is /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 01:33.36 | abrotman | he hasn't even stated which video card he has |
| 01:33.39 | gdea73 | still not working unless I login in and out each time, that's kind of annoying because I needed the permissions to take effect immediately. Ah well. |
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| 01:33.47 | Tree_Hugger1 | gforce 560gti |
| 01:33.52 | gdea73 | (http://pastebin.com/951DHBXj) |
| 01:33.54 | Tree_Hugger1 | there stuff in the log |
| 01:34.00 | Tree_Hugger1 | do you want me put on pastebin? |
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| 01:34.32 | Tree_Hugger1 | X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 X.Org Video Driver: 6.0 X.Org XInput driver : 7.0 X.Org Server Extension : 2.0 |
| 01:34.35 | somiaj | Tree_Hugger1: are you runnging debian squeeze? |
| 01:34.39 | Tree_Hugger1 | yes |
| 01:35.13 | somiaj | you card is not supported in squeeze. My suggestion is to install xorg/nvidia drivers from squeeze-backports (and maybe a kernel) |
| 01:36.05 | Tree_Hugger1 | how do I do that? |
| 01:36.10 | Tree_Hugger1 | but again |
| 01:36.48 | Tree_Hugger1 | I'm not going use this os on my computer, I'm just setting things up before my parts comes in. |
| 01:36.48 | somiaj | Start here, since your card is so new, lets get some backports installed (this is my suggestion) |
| 01:36.52 | somiaj | http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 01:37.34 | Tree_Hugger1 | okay ty |
| 01:37.39 | Tree_Hugger1 | i'll see what I can do |
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| 01:47.12 | Tree_Hugger1 | hmm nothign supports Intel |
| 01:47.16 | Tree_Hugger1 | I'm fucked |
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| 01:47.32 | Deutopia | ? |
| 01:47.49 | Deutopia | i've never heared that 1 b4 |
| 01:48.02 | Tree_Hugger1 | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=squeeze-backports |
| 01:48.09 | Tree_Hugger1 | md64 i386 |
| 01:48.16 | Tree_Hugger1 | all of them are like that |
| 01:48.22 | Tree_Hugger1 | amd64* |
| 01:48.37 | somiaj | amd64 and i386 are both intel |
| 01:48.46 | somiaj | depending on if you are running a 64bit or 32bit os |
| 01:48.46 | Tree_Hugger1 | wat |
| 01:48.59 | Tree_Hugger1 | o.O |
| 01:49.06 | Deutopia | yeah |
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| 01:49.43 | somiaj | i386 is actually 'intel 386' I belive, the old pc standard, the 64 bit extensions are just called amd64 because amd was the first one to publish those standards, but except for a very few set of early 64 bit intel processors, they use amd64 kernels for 64bit |
| 01:49.58 | Deutopia | just wont work on an intel itanium |
| 01:50.10 | somiaj | anyways, it shouldn't matter, when you apt-get install it will find the right package for you Tree_Hugger1 |
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| 01:50.50 | Tree_Hugger1 | it won't install anything unless I put the package down |
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| 01:50.58 | Tree_Hugger1 | so I need find the right package |
| 01:51.03 | nickgaw | Hi, Does anyone here know of an apt repository for debian so I don't have to go threw the full hand install as asterisk is in the main debian repository but even with contrib and non-free no freepbx? |
| 01:51.28 | somiaj | Tree_Hugger1: what does that mean? What did you do to mess up apt? |
| 01:51.36 | Tree_Hugger1 | i typed as it sayd |
| 01:51.37 | Tree_Hugger1 | said |
| 01:51.42 | nickgaw | I am trying to install freepbx the web interface for asterisk but no package in debian's repositories? |
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| 01:52.14 | Tree_Hugger1 | apt-get -t squeeze-backports instal |
| 01:52.19 | Tree_Hugger1 | install |
| 01:52.35 | somiaj | did you modify your /etc/apt/sources.list and add a squeeze backport lines |
| 01:52.41 | somiaj | then ran apt-get update |
| 01:52.55 | Tree_Hugger1 | yes it said that o updates |
| 01:52.59 | Tree_Hugger1 | I know |
| 01:53.06 | Tree_Hugger1 | I have to manually pick a package |
| 01:53.42 | nickgaw | are there ways to suggest packages to be added to debian? |
| 01:53.49 | somiaj | ok so you awnt to install xserver-xorg and linux-image-3.2-(your arch) |
| 01:54.26 | somiaj | nickgaw: yes, but it takes a bit. You have to find a matainer and the package ahs to meet all the debian standards |
| 01:54.42 | ahferroin7 | night all |
| 01:55.00 | somiaj | Tree_Hugger1: also install the linux-headers-<version> for the kernel you decide to install 'apt-cache search linux-image' will show you available kernels |
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| 01:55.23 | nickgaw | so there is no way to search for any third party apt repository for freepbx? |
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| 01:55.31 | gdea73 | Expo doesn't work for me in Compiz no matter what key I set as the shortcut. It's enabled, I have fglrx installed, and I'm running 6.0.5. |
| 01:56.01 | somiaj | nickgaw: for the most part we dont' trust third party repos. Many of them are buggy and conflict with the debian repo. In your case my suggestion is you build your own debian package |
| 01:56.54 | nickgaw | could that be the reason freepbx is not in any debian repository even contrib and non-free is that it might not meet all the requirements when asterisk does? |
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| 01:57.13 | somiaj | nickgaw: you are also welcome to install things like that in /usr/local -- dpkg does not put stuff there so you can use it to install third party stuff with out conflicting with debian files. |
| 01:57.14 | Tree_Hugger1 | e: broken package |
| 01:57.17 | Tree_Hugger1 | o.0 |
| 01:57.36 | somiaj | Tree_Hugger1: when you have an issue, put a copy of the command you ran and the errors it spit out at paste.debian.net |
| 01:57.43 | somiaj | nickgaw: it could be that no one wanted to package it |
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| 01:58.28 | somiaj | nickgaw: it could be buggy, or not meet debian policy. You can go check the bts for asterisk and see if there are any bugs about it. If there aren't you can file a wishlist bug to have it included. |
| 01:59.09 | Tree_Hugger1 | oh thats glx |
| 01:59.37 | Tree_Hugger1 | tried the opencl and its downloading, hopefully its workig |
| 01:59.39 | Tree_Hugger1 | working |
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| 02:02.11 | nickgaw | with the debian package live-builder is there a way to configure it to stop after it completes the chroot filesystem so I can go into it manually and make changes to it before the squash filesystem and the final iso is built? |
| 02:04.38 | somiaj | I thought the live-builder put a system of packages and didn't actually create a full chroot. So wouldn't modifying the packages used be the prefered way? (I haven't used the live-builder much) |
| 02:05.38 | nickgaw | it does create a chroot but I can only get to it after an iso image is created would going into the chroot making my changes then rerunning the building command work? |
| 02:05.58 | somiaj | I don't know. You can try it. (: |
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| 02:09.13 | redwarriors25 | gud am |
| 02:09.29 | redwarriors25 | may i ask is this the ryt command apt-get --purge remove resolvconf network-manager for debian lenny |
| 02:09.45 | somiaj | right command to do what |
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| 02:09.57 | somiaj | yes that will remove those two packages (And any other packages that depend on them) |
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| 02:13.30 | redwarriors25 | purginf of resolvconf waht if not yet installed how can i installed |
| 02:13.49 | somiaj | why do you want to install it if you just want to purge it? |
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| 02:14.02 | redwarriors25 | how can i save in the folder of nano/etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:14.47 | somiaj | yes you can edit that by hand |
| 02:14.48 | abrotman | and why are you using lenny? |
| 02:14.56 | somiaj | dhcp will also update that file though. |
| 02:15.12 | redwarriors25 | from our web server |
| 02:15.31 | redwarriors25 | so how can i save |
| 02:15.39 | somiaj | lenny hasn't had security updates in some time...be aware that it is most likey insecure |
| 02:16.14 | redwarriors25 | it is ok with the office |
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| 02:16.40 | redwarriors25 | so how can i save everything ive done in etc/resolv.conf |
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| 02:16.56 | somiaj | depends on the editor, but in nano look at the bottom of the screen, it gives you some commands you can type |
| 02:19.01 | redwarriors25 | ok thanks |
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| 02:25.30 | redwarriors25 | what command can i install resolv package |
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| 02:27.41 | Tree_Hugger | did the updates and nothing. |
| 02:27.44 | Tree_Hugger | sigh |
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| 02:31.49 | Thibaud | Hey guys |
| 02:32.01 | Thibaud | Any good DNS channel ? |
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| 02:43.13 | ex-parrot | hi folks... anyone noticed that the `asterisk' package just released in to the security updates repository for squeeze doesn't seem to load? throws an "WARNING[1870]: loader.c:435 load_dynamic_module: Error loading module 'chan_sip.so': /usr/lib/asterisk/modules/chan_sip.so: undefined symbol: sip_pvt_lock_full" error |
| 02:43.55 | abrotman | sounds like perhaps another package is out of date |
| 02:44.16 | ex-parrot | my squeeze system is up to date. I did a bit of snooping with strace and I can't see it pulling in any other libraries when it tries to load chan_sip.so |
| 02:44.35 | ex-parrot | also verified that I had the packaged version of chan_sip.so, the asterisk binary and so on |
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| 03:04.51 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 03:05.51 | johnfg | I need to remove wicd as it's not able to handle my network configuration. I tried from the command line with apt-get remove wicd, but for some reason that didn't work. |
| 03:06.27 | johnfg | I see from apt-cache show wicd that wicd is a metapackage. Should I remove it instead with synaptic package manager? |
| 03:06.29 | tinkster | any error messages to go with that? |
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| 03:06.43 | johnfg | tinkster: No, not from apt-get. |
| 03:06.50 | johnfg | But it did not remove it. |
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| 03:17.45 | somiaj | use apt-get show pkgname to see what the meta package depends on |
| 03:17.51 | somiaj | or dpkg -l | grep wicd |
| 03:18.03 | somiaj | and remove the actual wicd packages (though apt-get autoremove may take them out too) |
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| 03:36.35 | dioz | what is the difference between "su" |
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| 03:36.38 | dioz | and "su -" ? |
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| 03:39.14 | somiaj | if a full login as root is done |
| 03:39.32 | somiaj | su - will parse roots profile, .bashrc and so forth (as if you actually login as root) |
| 03:39.59 | somiaj | with out the dash, you just become root in the cwd and any shell customizations are not read. |
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| 03:42.44 | dioz | somiaj: thnx |
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| 03:48.56 | thepro4ever | i need a linux game i can play that is good, free and isn't sauerbraten because I've played that way to much |
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| 03:50.24 | somiaj | nethack? I'm not sure what type of game? |
| 03:50.39 | somiaj | apt-cache search games -- that should give you a list of some, install some and play around |
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| 03:51.47 | thepro4ever | i learned of sauerbraten from some one in here even though it doesn't show on my repo list |
| 03:54.15 | thepro4ever | exit |
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| 03:58.54 | somiaj | well what kinda game are you looking for. I did run across 0A.D. not so long agom, but you won't find that in debian though it is linux |
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| 05:00.21 | canurabus | hey all... my computer has a capacitive touch screen and a stylus that I'd like to get working with Debian. I've gotten it working on Ubuntu and Arch before so I feel like it should work, but I couldn't find any information on setting it up. As far as I can tell it should be supported by the kernel and 'just work' (cntd) |
| 05:01.08 | somiaj | the squeeze kernel may be a bit outdated (compared to ARCH and Ubuntu) |
| 05:01.17 | somiaj | so maybe you should install the linux 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports |
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| 05:01.29 | somiaj | (common issue on squeeze with newer hardware) |
| 05:01.37 | canurabus | its called "N-Trig" and I see that its recognized correctly |
| 05:02.00 | somiaj | so is it xorg isn't detecting it and setting it up as a pointer? |
| 05:02.03 | canurabus | this hardware is ancient actually... its a laptop from ~2007 i think |
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| 05:02.45 | canurabus | it kind of is. It should be recognizing two inputs -- a touch screen and a stylus, but it only recognizes one. The touch screen 'works' but has a critical bug |
| 05:02.59 | canurabus | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578695 |
| 05:03.51 | canurabus | thats the closest description i could find of whats going on ... |
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| 05:04.56 | canurabus | I don't think there are many (any?) other Debian users of the particular laptop I have. Also, when I got this working with ubuntu, it was a couple of years ago when ubuntu still used the 2.6 kernel |
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| 05:05.54 | somiaj | well sometimes I suggest looking at the configs/logs/drivers used in say ubuntu and that can tell ya what ya need to do in debian |
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| 05:40.08 | boudiccas | i've just done a apt-get dist-upgrade on my wheezy setup, and got this ... Error: Timeout was reached .... which happens most time when i'm apt-getting. how can i increase the timespan of apt-get please? |
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| 05:49.08 | boudiccas | and i've just read 'man apt.conf' where it says that the conf file is at /etc/apt/apt.conf which turns out to be empty and probably non-existing! any ideas folks please? |
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| 05:50.57 | milligan | Can someone verify that this cron entry, "20 21 * * 2 /usr/bin/perl /home/milligan/perl/backup.pl", will run every Tuesday at 20 minutes past 9, PM .. ? |
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| 05:54.15 | dawud | milligan: the format is minute, hour, day of month, month, day of week. those depend on your timezone settings, so dow=2 could be monday or tuesday |
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| 05:55.21 | milligan | Cheers. Means I have to figure out why the bugger didn't work :) |
| 05:55.49 | boudiccas | is backup.pl executable? |
| 05:56.05 | milligan | Found it already. >.< |
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| 05:56.23 | boudiccas | milligan: and the answer is? |
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| 05:57.04 | boudiccas | milligan: and on a second look, you dont need " in front of 20 |
| 05:57.17 | milligan | I have written my own perl module that I put in the same directory as the perl script. When cron executes it, from a different directory, the module isn't available and the script dies. |
| 05:57.38 | milligan | The quotations were just to echo my command ;) |
| 05:57.38 | dawud | milligan: wrong @INC, then |
| 05:57.39 | boudiccas | ah, right |
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| 05:59.32 | milligan | dawud, yep. changed my use to use lib and provided an absolute path. seems to be dandy now |
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| 06:24.24 | nedhel | does anyone have wheezy freeze up totally and require hard reset? |
| 06:25.30 | SiDz | in gnome? |
| 06:25.33 | SiDz | it happened to me. |
| 06:25.48 | SiDz | 5+ times |
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| 06:26.21 | nedhel | it happens to me constantly |
| 06:26.33 | nedhel | openbox |
| 06:27.03 | nedhel | how do i see the logs to know what's causing it, if it's even possible to log a freeze like that |
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| 06:33.59 | HoboSteaux | im having a problem with a python 2.6 not showing up; only 2.7. 2.6 is installed and usable, but the package manager can't find it anywhere. Where should I go from here |
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| 06:39.00 | dizzylizzy | Yeah wheezy froze up for me in GNOME but I did Alt+F2 r and it was fine |
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| 06:48.12 | dragonslay | what happens if i stop vboxweb-service from startup..? will that stop me from starting a virtual machine? |
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| 06:52.30 | jeep | dragonslay: that would just stop the networking maybe have you tried it ? |
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| 06:56.15 | dragonslay | jeep, right now, service status is reporting "not running.." should i stop this one from starting at all.. |
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| 06:58.26 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. i have debian wheezy (32-bit PAE) installed and I would like to know if it's easy to migrate to 64-bit without losing any data. |
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| 07:00.44 | specing | ToApolytoXaos: 1) make backups. 2) move your stuff to a seperate partition 3) reinstall |
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| 07:01.14 | ToApolytoXaos | specing: that's the only way?! no way for sure |
| 07:01.29 | specing | ToApolytoXaos: what did you expect? |
| 07:01.37 | specing | Seems trivial to me |
| 07:01.54 | ToApolytoXaos | that would totally pointless to call it "upgrade" |
| 07:02.07 | ToApolytoXaos | s/would/would be/g |
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| 07:03.12 | dragonslay | ToApolytoXaos: do you have seperate partition for /home? |
| 07:03.25 | ToApolytoXaos | dragonslay: no, i use LVM |
| 07:03.30 | specing | ToApolytoXaos: you could replace 32 bit execes with 64bit ones from packages but that will make you pull out your hair and the end result will most likely be broken |
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| 07:03.57 | dragonslay | ToApolytoXaos: fine, do you have a seperate volume for /home? |
| 07:04.03 | ToApolytoXaos | nope |
| 07:04.08 | specing | then make one |
| 07:04.27 | specing | actually |
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| 07:04.52 | specing | make a new empty one, install 64-bit debian there and mount the previous one as home |
| 07:04.53 | dragonslay | ToApolytoXaos: google for instructions on how to move /home to sperate volume.. |
| 07:05.08 | ToApolytoXaos | ok, rather than moving to 64-bit, would it be OK to use my existing HDD on a 64-bit hardware without great process loss? |
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| 07:05.38 | dax | depends what you're doing. for normal desktop loads, you won't notice much of a difference either way |
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| 07:05.44 | specing | ToApolytoXaos: backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups backups |
| 07:05.58 | specing | Always have backups. |
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| 07:06.20 | ToApolytoXaos | specing: you sound like Ballmer "developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers" |
| 07:06.23 | specing | Im 99.5% sure you're data will stay as is if you do it |
| 07:06.26 | MO_Handes | how to search a couple of text files for a specific string? |
| 07:06.31 | specing | your* |
| 07:06.35 | specing | MO_Handes: grep |
| 07:06.47 | dax | MO_Handes: grep "some specific string" textfile1 textfile2 textfile3 |
| 07:06.55 | specing | ToApolytoXaos: No, I sound like someone whose disks failed in the past |
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| 07:07.35 | ToApolytoXaos | specing: i have dual backup and everytime I work on upgrades, I do make backups |
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| 07:08.03 | ToApolytoXaos | all i want is to change hardward without affect my existing setup |
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| 07:08.16 | ToApolytoXaos | it will take weeks to reconfigure everything back to normal |
| 07:08.30 | specing | right... |
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| 07:08.53 | specing | all it takes is one dd of the MBR and rsync of previous data |
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| 07:09.24 | bullgard4 | '~$ LANG=C apt-cache show mousepad; Mousepad has the |
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| 07:10.07 | nate_h_ | so, say i have a package, mysql-server. I want to install the package, but I don't want to use the default data-dir, is there a way to list all the pre-seed options for a package, or some other way I can force the installer to pick a different initial datadir? |
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| 07:12.17 | nate_h_ | there must be some way of teling the package to pick a different data-dir |
| 07:12.24 | nate_h_ | unless that has to be done at package build time? |
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| 07:13.36 | boudiccas | nate_h_: i think that its done at build time and coded into the deb where everything is going to go |
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| 07:13.49 | nate_h_ | meh |
| 07:13.58 | nate_h_ | i don't want a custom deb |
| 07:14.13 | nate_h_ | but i also don't want messy code in puppet that moves the damn datadir |
| 07:14.15 | bullgard4 | '~$ LANG=C apt-cache show mousepad; Mousepad has the following features: * Font selection.' How can I select permanwntly a smaller font? |
| 07:14.40 | boudiccas | nate_h_: get the source deb, rebuild it with the paths you want and then install the resulting deb |
| 07:14.40 | ToApolytoXaos | specing: i think a clean installation would be preferable when that time will come for hardware upgrade; too much hassle i would say with the "upgrade". |
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| 07:15.09 | nate_h_ | boudiccas: yeah then i have to maintain my own deb for any upgrades which is annoying, but yeah i may do it |
| 07:16.40 | specing | ToApolytoXaos: trivial. your argument is invalid. |
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| 07:17.51 | ToApolytoXaos | specing: why's that? |
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| 07:18.01 | ToApolytoXaos | it's not a server; it's a desktop PC |
| 07:18.09 | specing | so what? |
| 07:18.14 | specing | still trivial |
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| 07:18.24 | specing | even reinstalling Gentoo is trivial |
| 07:18.39 | specing | hence your argument about debian is just wrong |
| 07:19.06 | ToApolytoXaos | who mentioned Gentoo? |
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| 07:19.40 | specing | you mentioned desktop, I use Gentoo for desktops |
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| 07:19.57 | ToApolytoXaos | why would i care about what you are using?! |
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| 07:21.15 | specing | ToApolytoXaos: same, Why would I care about your problem/ramblings with upgrading/reinstalling debian? |
| 07:21.33 | specing | Do what you want, its your system. |
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| 07:23.30 | HoboSteaux | Python: 2.6, 2.7, and 3.x are installed, apt keeps complaining that 2.6 can not be found. Can I manually show apt where 2.6 is? |
| 07:23.53 | ToApolytoXaos | specing: this is a forum about discussing debian related subject, not gentoo therefore you are been out of subject, not me. |
| 07:24.01 | ToApolytoXaos | channel, not forum |
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| 07:26.07 | engla | HoboSteaux: what's the error msg |
| 07:26.48 | HoboSteaux | engla: whenever I try to install something that relys on 2.6: Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.2-10 is to be installed |
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| 07:27.39 | HoboSteaux | I've somehow gotten myself into apt package hell :P |
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| 07:29.16 | jeep | HoboSteaux: its not suggested but it is possible top force an install |
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| 07:30.07 | engla | HoboSteaux: are you mixing repositories? |
| 07:30.38 | HoboSteaux | engla: yes, some. Between crunchband and debian squeeze |
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| 07:30.53 | HoboSteaux | crunchbang* |
| 07:30.54 | engla | well not much I can do for you there. |
| 07:31.08 | HoboSteaux | which iirc is squeeze-based |
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| 07:31.19 | engla | ask crunchbang |
| 07:31.50 | HoboSteaux | lol ill try, hasnt been much of a response over there |
| 07:32.10 | boudiccas | HoboSteaux: you've got a frankendebian! :) |
| 07:32.15 | boudiccas | !frankendebian |
| 07:32.16 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
| 07:32.29 | HoboSteaux | hahahahahaha alrighty :P |
| 07:32.36 | engla | if you make your own mess you get to keep it. If you want working squeeze repositories (and install) don't mix it up |
| 07:32.39 | engla | :-) |
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| 07:34.23 | HoboSteaux | ty :P |
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| 07:40.39 | canurabus | is there any way of upgrading my kernel without jumping from 2.6.32 to version 3.2? |
| 07:41.15 | engla | you can compile your own kernel with make-kpkg |
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| 07:41.42 | babilen | canurabus: What is wrong with 3.2? |
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| 07:42.03 | canurabus | ati doesnt support my video card on it |
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| 07:43.07 | canurabus | and at the same time i have another device that needs 2.6.38 to compile a kernel module |
| 07:43.17 | babilen | canurabus: The radeon driver doesn't work with a 3.2 kernel? |
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| 07:44.27 | canurabus | the radeon driver isn't very good with my particular chipset. i do opengl dev ... and there's too many problems with it so im trying to stick with fglrx |
| 07:44.31 | bullgard4 | '~$ LANG=C apt-cache show mousepad; Mousepad has the following features: * Font selection.' How can I select permanwntly a smaller font? |
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| 07:47.32 | babilen | canurabus: Yeah, you need a newer version of the fglrx package that works with backported (3.?) kernels. There used to be .38 packages on bdo too, but I can't find them right now. |
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| 07:49.10 | canurabus | i think they took the .38 kernel out of backports. and amd/ati isnt ever going to update fglrx for my chipset so thats not an option... nice little catch22 to be in |
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| 07:50.32 | babilen | canurabus: Well, use the radeon driver or compile your own kernel or get a new GPU (which might just be a good idea given that you work in that area) |
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| 07:51.29 | canurabus | heh, its a laptop :) ah well |
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| 07:56.02 | syssi | somebody around using linux-headers-3.5-trunk frome experimental? it degrades my raid1 array every bootup. |
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| 07:57.30 | babilen | syssi: Have you checked the BTS? You are aware that experimental packages are in experimental for a reason and I would suggest to report that bug and use 3.2 in the interim. |
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| 07:58.04 | syssi | babilen: i'm aware of that fact. ;-) i like to solve it anyway. |
| 07:58.31 | babilen | syssi: First time I hear about it, but the BTS will know more. |
| 07:59.07 | syssi | babilen: i will dig through the bts. |
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| 08:06.25 | pozic_ | I can run a Python application just fine as user X, but not as user Y. env|grep PYTHON returns nothing. Where can the difference in behaviour come from? $HOME/foo/bar is accessed by both calls (with HOME having a different value) |
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| 08:06.57 | specing | pozic_: error or it didn't happen! |
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| 08:07.34 | pozic_ | specing: there is no user visible error, but when I debugged it, it said that it was trying to write to a read-only database. |
| 08:08.02 | pozic_ | specing: (and no, the database file is not read-only) |
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| 08:08.16 | pozic_ | specing: so, perhaps there is some other way to make something 'read-only'. |
| 08:08.31 | pozic_ | specing: but I copied the file to the other user account where it does work immediately. |
| 08:08.40 | pozic_ | specing: in short, I have no idea where this comes from. |
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| 08:09.06 | pozic_ | Is there some way to completely clear the environment? |
| 08:09.12 | specing | ownership? |
| 08:09.15 | pozic_ | I.e., such that env returns nothing. |
| 08:09.27 | pozic_ | specing: ownership is set to X and Y respectively. |
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| 08:10.28 | pozic_ | specing: but perhaps this is wrong? drwx------. |
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| 08:10.38 | pozic_ | specing: in particular: what's the dot? |
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| 08:11.34 | specing | pozic_: stat it |
| 08:11.41 | specing | and tell me the numeric mode |
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| 08:14.05 | Iridos | hm, shouldn't we have a factoid on the wheezy installer |
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| 08:14.35 | n1x0n | Morning, I might be wrong but it looks like newest (today's) asterisk package in sqeeze (1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze7) is a bit broken (unless it's just my machine, found only 1 post from yesterday evening about it). It fails with chan_sip.so: undefined symbol: sip_pvt_lock_full/. |
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| 08:15.44 | Iridos | judd, versions asterisk |
| 08:15.45 | judd | Package: asterisk on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny6; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny6; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.2.9-1~bpo50+3; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze5; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze7; squeeze-backports: 1:1.8.13.0~dfsg-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg-1; wheezy: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg-1 |
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| 08:16.50 | Iridos | n1x0n, like... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688062 ? |
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| 08:17.07 | Iridos | which the poster seems not have deemed necessary to fit with a subject line /o\ |
| 08:17.28 | n1x0n | Iridos: aha! ok already reported :) /me reads |
| 08:17.37 | Iridos | oh, actually also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688053 |
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| 08:18.02 | n1x0n | yay, at least I'm not alone, ok thanks for that |
| 08:18.05 | Iridos | n1x0n, just go back to the previous version |
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| 08:18.28 | n1x0n | yup will do, wanted to check if a) it's just my machine b) report if noone else did , thx |
| 08:18.36 | Iridos | n1x0n, with any luck, the .deb is still in /var/cach/apt/... |
| 08:18.41 | Iridos | cache* |
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| 08:18.57 | Iridos | n1x0n, bugs.debian.org is the right place to check that :) |
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| 08:19.27 | n1x0n | Iridos: hah! will do next time, didn't see any "bug" for years in debian, I'm not used to this ;-P |
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| 08:23.30 | Iridos | n1x0n, not? I see some every time a new stable releases... or if you want lots, look at testing/unstable :P |
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| 08:24.31 | metaphysician | software without bugs is rare. very rare. |
| 08:24.54 | specing | suckless.org |
| 08:25.03 | specing | bugless software. |
| 08:25.10 | llimeht_ | haha |
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| 08:25.59 | llimeht_ | ,bug suckless-tools |
| 08:26.00 | judd | Bug summary for package suckless-tools: wishlist: 6, minor: 2, normal: 3, important: 3, ITA: #647090 |
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| 08:26.10 | specing | is slowly approaching the state of unix nirvana |
| 08:26.32 | specing | ,#647090 |
| 08:26.45 | specing | Weblink anywhere? |
| 08:27.00 | llimeht_ | dpkg, tell specing about bts |
| 08:27.26 | DeusEx | hello |
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| 08:28.26 | Capn_Blazemore | What repository do I need for flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 08:29.08 | Capn_Blazemore | nonfree contrib? |
| 08:29.15 | themill | just contrib, actually |
| 08:29.29 | Capn_Blazemore | OK thanks |
| 08:29.29 | boudiccas | i've just done a apt-get dist-upgrade on my wheezy setup, and got this ... Error: Timeout was reached .... which happens most time when i'm apt-getting. how can i increase the timespan of apt-get please? and i've just read 'man apt.conf' where it says that the conf file is at /etc/apt/apt.conf which turns out to be empty and probably non-existing! any ideas folks please? this happend not only when i'm upgrading/dist-upgrading but occasionaly |
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| 08:30.31 | Capn_Blazemore | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 08:32.43 | pozic_ | specing: http://paste.kde.org/552776/ |
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| 08:33.04 | pozic_ | specing: what I don't quite understand is how the size of that directory is so large. |
| 08:33.14 | pozic_ | specing: most other directories are only 4.0KB. |
| 08:33.21 | pozic_ | specing: that one is over 5MB. |
| 08:34.01 | adam8157_ | pozic_: it contains many files or directories in its 1-level |
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| 08:34.53 | pozic_ | adam8157_: does every entry have some fixed size? |
| 08:35.06 | pozic_ | adam8157_: because there are about 1000 entries. |
| 08:35.20 | pozic_ | adam8157_: which could translate to 5KB/entry. |
| 08:35.27 | pozic_ | adam8157_: which is a lot. |
| 08:35.59 | adam8157_ | pozic_: hmm... only 1000 entry dont take that much size |
| 08:36.25 | pozic_ | adam8157_: perhaps there is a bug in the file system then? |
| 08:36.45 | pozic_ | adam8157_: at one point I had several hundred thousand files there. |
| 08:36.51 | adam8157_ | pozic_: have you checked the hidden files? |
| 08:36.57 | pozic_ | adam8157_: but those have been deleted a long time ago. |
| 08:37.04 | pozic_ | adam8157_: yes and they are not there. |
| 08:37.24 | pozic_ | adam8157_: that is, they are counted in the 1000 number. |
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| 08:38.20 | pozic_ | I think it's an implementation deficiency in the file system. |
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| 08:38.32 | adam8157_ | pozic_: I can image one situation, yes you deleted, but the entry recording just zeroed, not re-ordered and wipe |
| 08:38.45 | pozic_ | That is, inode sizes can grow, but not shrink. |
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| 08:38.54 | pozic_ | I think that's a design failure myself. |
| 08:38.58 | adam8157_ | pozic_: what is the filesystem |
| 08:39.03 | pozic_ | adam8157_: ext4 |
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| 08:39.20 | oskie | why would one use a -rt (PREEMPT_RT) kernel in Debian? |
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| 08:39.39 | oskie | smoother user interaction for workstations? |
| 08:39.40 | pozic_ | oskie: if you are building a real-time system, of course. |
| 08:39.54 | adam8157_ | pozic_: huh... this issue is interesting. I will try to reproduce and fix it. |
| 08:40.00 | pozic_ | oskie: if you do audio work, it could be applicable. |
| 08:40.09 | pozic_ | oskie: but more so for robot stuff. |
| 08:40.27 | pozic_ | oskie: usually you would need to have control over every single interrupt for that to be useful, though. |
| 08:40.55 | pozic_ | oskie: (which is why specialized robot operating systems exist, sometimes based on Linux (and thus those options)) |
| 08:41.03 | pozic_ | oskie: does that answer your question? |
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| 08:41.18 | oskie | pozic_: yes, thanks! |
| 08:41.28 | pozic_ | oskie: it's not homework, is it? |
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| 08:42.09 | pozic_ | oskie: because in that case, you should read the kernel documentation for those options and perhaps there are some papers on the actual design. |
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| 08:42.32 | pozic_ | oskie: (or if you don't care at all about these things, study something else) |
| 08:42.53 | oskie | pozic_: not really - I know what "real-time systems" are - but I just wasn't sure in what situations the -rt debian kernel package would be needed. I don't see how it is usable on debian when it probably takes other real-time system components as well to make the system predictible |
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| 08:43.16 | adam8157_ | pozic_: I reproduced it |
| 08:43.58 | Dewi | oskie: my understanding is that "real-time" in that context refers to latencies much finer than humans would notice |
| 08:44.51 | Dewi | it's more for things like signal processing than making it seem smoother to you. It might even seem less smooth because of the drop in overall throughput |
| 08:45.26 | oskie | ok |
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| 08:49.17 | oskie | wonders why debian needs to mount /run/lock and /run/shm as tmpfs if /run is already mounted as tmpfs |
| 08:49.46 | oskie | it seems there are some differencies in the mount options though: nodev, mode, size |
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| 08:53.00 | pozic_ | adam8157_: are you actually going to do anything about it? |
| 08:53.22 | pozic_ | adam8157_: (I think it's a 3 line patch or so) |
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| 08:54.02 | adam8157_ | pozic_: yes, I'm checking the shrink policy now, if it's really a design issue, I will try to fix it |
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| 08:56.08 | SiDz | how can i know (live) how many bw a user on my lan network is using |
| 08:56.13 | SiDz | like 10.20.5.10 |
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| 08:56.29 | SiDz | my router is a debian box, 10.20.5.1 |
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| 08:56.54 | SiDz | monitoring the bw of a particular ip in lan |
| 08:57.13 | qw12 | i want to have a script which simply does cd $1 |
| 08:57.16 | qw12 | but directory name is ".a b\c" |
| 08:57.17 | qw12 | if i give ".a b\c" as the input it is not working |
| 08:57.40 | SiDz | try #bash |
| 08:57.54 | pozic_ | adam8157_: are you someone who actually commits to the Linux kernel? |
| 08:57.56 | SiDz | they are pro |
| 08:58.05 | qw12 | no response there |
| 08:58.28 | pozic_ | qw12: cd "$1" |
| 08:58.45 | adam8157_ | pozic_: not really, I'm not a kernel maintainer, but I work for Red Hat's kernel team |
| 08:58.47 | pozic_ | qw12: do !morequotes in #bash |
| 08:58.57 | SiDz | bandwithd only make graph about how many data have been used. every 2.5 min, i would like to see live bw usage |
| 08:59.06 | pozic_ | adam8157_: everything good in Linux comes from you :) |
| 08:59.07 | boudiccas | qw12: then sit around and wait for them to wake up, its still early in the morning you know :) |
| 08:59.09 | qw12 | pozic_: i tried that but doesn't work |
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| 08:59.36 | qw12 | if i echo that command and copy and paste it it works, but not through the shell script |
| 09:00.01 | pozic_ | adam8157_: I think the last 4 issues I had with various software has been resolved by Redhat people (e.g. gdb bugs, etc.) |
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| 09:00.15 | pozic_ | Red Hat, sorry :) |
| 09:00.47 | adam8157_ | pozic_: sure, because we sell linux distro. that's out duty |
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| 09:01.22 | pozic_ | adam8157_: not really |
| 09:01.33 | pozic_ | adam8157_: if people also buy it with you not fixing anything, you would also do that. |
| 09:01.44 | pozic_ | adam8157_: people pay you to do some work that they don't want. |
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| 09:01.57 | pozic_ | adam8157_: in this case, I am not paying you anything, except advanced technology skills. |
| 09:02.05 | pozic_ | adam8157_: i.e., my time. |
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| 09:03.56 | adam8157_ | pozic_: :) because people working for RH really love *nix and open-source? |
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| 09:05.35 | pozic_ | adam8157_: how much time is spend on proprietary extensions and infrastructure? ;) |
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| 09:06.04 | qw12 | tiny bash script. What is the problem ? : http://pastebin.com/PhjpXGiy |
| 09:06.38 | adam8157_ | pozic_: no idea... kernel is total open |
| 09:07.02 | pozic_ | adam8157_: kernel is not completely open, because I am sure some technical know-how is not documented. |
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| 09:07.37 | pozic_ | adam8157_: some of it (the technical documentation) is still under NDA. |
| 09:07.43 | adam8157_ | pozic_: hmm... not if you count that thing on.. |
| 09:07.54 | pozic_ | adam8157_: so, the drivers are 'open', but well that doesn't really mean a lot then. |
| 09:08.11 | pozic_ | adam8157_: but yes, Linux is relatively open compared to the rest. |
| 09:08.21 | pozic_ | adam8157_: (which is one of the reasons I use it) |
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| 09:09.03 | pozic_ | (if someone throws a bad error message, you can actually go to the source and sometimes see what's happening if there isn't a huge cluster fuck going on) |
| 09:09.24 | esto | what doesn't work qw12 ? just tested and works |
| 09:09.47 | adam8157_ | pozic_: yes, that's the benefit from open source |
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| 09:10.14 | esto | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/255414/why-doesnt-cd-work-in-a-bash-shell-script <- i think this is your "problem" |
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| 09:10.51 | pozic_ | qw12: create an alias or function if you want that to work. |
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| 09:11.15 | pozic_ | qw12: so, inside your .bashrc, place mycd(){ cd "$1"} |
| 09:11.21 | pozic_ | qw12: then do mycd "mydir" |
| 09:11.33 | pozic_ | qw12: if I guess your problem based on the above link name. |
| 09:11.54 | SiDz | how can i wget a link like that http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ipaudit/ipaudit-web/ipaudit-web-1.0BETA9/ipaudit-web-1.0BETA9.tar.gz?r=http%3A%2F%2Fipaudit.sourceforge.net%2Fdownloads.html&ts=1348045853&use_mirror=softlayer |
| 09:12.03 | SiDz | it should download ipaudit-web-1.0BETA9.tar.gz |
| 09:12.15 | esto | wget -O ipaudit-web-1.0BETA9.tar.gz "link" |
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| 09:12.33 | pozic_ | I suppose we should stop doing #bash topics. |
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| 09:13.17 | true_pk | SiDz: create sh file :) |
| 09:13.31 | SiDz | thx:) |
| 09:13.49 | pozic_ | true_pk: that's terrible advice |
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| 09:14.24 | true_pk | pozic_: hah |
| 09:14.29 | pozic_ | SiDz: if you want to stop being an amateur read the advanced bash scripting guide 10 times. |
| 09:14.43 | pozic_ | SiDz: or read a book on Bash (which I think is a better approach) |
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| 09:16.19 | RichiH | how can i choose a different default audio device in current unstable? google results are confusing, conflicting and misleading |
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| 09:17.09 | boudiccas | Richwhy do you have to choose #one#? pulseaudio can be running whilst you're using asls |
| 09:17.38 | esto | pavucontrol ? |
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| 09:23.00 | RichiH | boudiccas: i don't need to choose per se |
| 09:23.28 | RichiH | but the cleaning staff ripped the socket out of my mainboard so i got a soundcard |
| 09:23.59 | RichiH | as i don't hear anything while playing atm, i'd like to fix that |
| 09:24.24 | RichiH | esto: that seems to be similar to alsamixer? |
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| 09:24.36 | boudiccas | RichiH: sudo dmidecode will show you if its recognised, as will lspci and you can go from there |
| 09:24.56 | RichiH | boudiccas: aplay -L tells me it's detected |
| 09:25.29 | boudiccas | then its just a matter of configuration |
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| 09:27.18 | qw12 | why does this not work (just 3-4 lines stuff) : i am trying to move files now, can you see http://pastebin.com/6bsrqd9J |
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| 09:29.06 | boudiccas | ricithanks for that aplay command, mine shows that i have a sound card and onboard card as well, but mine is configured to use the sound card |
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| 09:55.23 | qw12 | i accidentally changed the ownerships of all files in / to some user |
| 09:55.30 | qw12 | how to revert them back to correct ones ? |
| 09:55.47 | ksk | reinstall the system |
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| 09:55.59 | qw12 | qw12 obviuosly that's the last resort |
| 09:56.15 | ksk | or you cant build some script which takes ownerships from a "good" system and make it apply them to your old system |
| 09:56.23 | ksk | but thats not too easy though.. |
| 09:56.24 | frostschutz | if you have a full backup of your files you could do something with find and chmod / chown --reference /backup/file /original/file |
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| 09:58.45 | frostschutz | it's usually faster to just reinstall. backup your config files in /etc, databases and other things if you have them, probably a list of the packages you installed, and be back to a working system within an hour or two... |
| 09:58.57 | ksuhku | adam8157_, FWIW Linux contains binary blobs |
| 09:59.39 | ksuhku | adam8157_, Debian has a sanitized version, like Linux-libre |
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| 10:06.22 | prietus | 30% [1 linux-source-3.2 23,2 MB/77,0 MB 30%] 6.712 B/s 2h 13min. 29seg. ath9k is anoying me |
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| 10:07.46 | Capn_Blazemore | How do I install flash player? I enabled contrib and tried to install flashplugin-nonfree as per the wiki |
| 10:07.56 | Capn_Blazemore | But apparently it's only available from another source |
| 10:08.07 | dax | did you apt-get update after enabling contrib? |
| 10:08.11 | Capn_Blazemore | yes |
| 10:08.56 | prietus | non-free |
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| 10:09.00 | Capn_Blazemore | oh |
| 10:09.04 | dax | no, it's contrib |
| 10:09.20 | dax | Capn_Blazemore: copy the output of `apt-cache policy` to http://paste.debian.net/ and link the page it creates here. |
| 10:09.34 | Capn_Blazemore | Fixed it. I had "nonfree" and changed it to "non-free" now it works |
| 10:09.44 | boudiccas | Capn_Blazemore: from memory on squeeze, i installed the flashplugin-nonfree which then went and got teh flash plugin from adobe, but that was some time ago now and i could be wrong |
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| 10:10.16 | prietus | yes is contrib |
| 10:10.57 | Capn_Blazemore | Well it isn't, because enabling non-free fixed it |
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| 10:11.44 | dax | I suspect fixing your typo made the entire line work and that fixed it. |
| 10:11.53 | dax | because the package is in contrib, not non-free |
| 10:12.01 | Capn_Blazemore | Right OK that'll be it then |
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| 10:18.15 | BenNZ | not sure if this is the place to ask , but having trouble with rsync , trying to run rsync -arv --filter="+ *.iso" --filter="- *" --exclude-from /home/ /mnt/Backup/ , but it copies nothing , and i would assume its because of the -filter="- *" , just was wondering if there was a better way to do this |
| 10:19.26 | Capn_Blazemore | BenNZ: Why not try using find to get a list of files that match your patterms |
| 10:19.51 | boudiccas | Ben /usr/bin/rsync -avz \ --exclude-from '/home/boztu/cron/xclude.txt with a seperate file for your exclusions, its simpler and easier |
| 10:19.54 | ectospasm | --exclude-from expects a file list, doesn't it? Note, you can have multiple --exclude parameters. |
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| 10:20.02 | Capn_Blazemore | boudiccas: arr, your solution be more elegant |
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| 10:20.46 | boudiccas | Capn_Blazemore: i just copied it from my backup script, which works flawlessly |
| 10:20.50 | boudiccas | :) |
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| 10:21.04 | BenNZ | boudiccas: ok is it alright to use * as an exclusion as i only want to copy *.iso files |
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| 10:21.19 | Zeeflo | is is possible to rsync to a bluraydrive/disk? |
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| 10:21.41 | boudiccas | BenNZ: in the xclude file you put everything you /dont/ want and whatevers left gets copied over |
| 10:22.35 | ChrisH | BenNZ: I failed with excluded from commandline allways. With exclude-file it works for me. |
| 10:22.41 | BenNZ | boudiccas: so i would have to put everything in there like *.txt *.jpg *.jpeg *.jpeg *.avi etc etc |
| 10:22.43 | boudiccas | BenNZ: so you're looking at it from the wrong end, you want to specify /only/ what you do want, i.e. the *.iso files |
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| 10:23.03 | boudiccas | BenNZ: yes, with a seperate line for each |
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| 10:23.52 | BenNZ | boudiccas: ok , could i use an include file , which would only include whats in the file? |
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| 10:24.38 | boudiccas | BenNZ: that i dont know, you'll have to read the man page, i only know about the exclude file through fighting it to get it weorking by my line of code |
| 10:25.15 | BenNZ | boudiccas: Capn_Blazemore ok , ill have a look and see , thanks for your time |
| 10:25.30 | boudiccas | BenNZ: you're welcome |
| 10:25.50 | Capn_Blazemore | BenNZ: You're welcome, me ol' matey |
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| 10:29.36 | lorenzosu | What's the best way to enable my user (or a group) to run cpufreq-set without sudo? |
| 10:29.56 | lazka | regarding hicolor icon theme (I'm upstream): should I copy icons on install and update the icon cache or leave that to the package maintainer? |
| 10:30.36 | ectospasm | lorenzosu: no best way, but you could change the group to something your users are in (e.g. "admin"), and be sure that group can execute the command |
| 10:31.11 | ectospasm | ...or you could doe something with setgid, but I dunno how advisable that is |
| 10:31.40 | lorenzosu | ectospasm: cool, guess I'll guess setting the group would be the easiest |
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| 10:31.49 | lorenzosu | *I guess |
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| 10:33.20 | ectospasm | if the command is in any other group than root, I'd advise against changing it << lorenzosu |
| 10:33.51 | lorenzosu | ectospasm: how do I check that? |
| 10:34.42 | ectospasm | lorenzosu: ll $(which cpufreq-set) |
| 10:34.57 | ectospasm | er, ll == ls -al |
| 10:35.22 | ectospasm | sorry, if there's one thing I got from Red Hat, it's use of the ll alias |
| 10:36.00 | lorenzosu | ectospasm: it's ok... it's root:root |
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| 10:36.30 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 10:36.44 | cousin_luigi | How does os-prober tell the various versions of Windows apart? |
| 10:36.55 | ectospasm | very carefully |
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| 10:37.39 | boudiccas | cousin_luigi: it tells the OS a joke, and then reads its responses :) |
| 10:38.31 | boudiccas | cousin_luigi: it probably reads the mbr where its encoded there |
| 10:38.52 | ChrisH | boudiccas: I like the joke Idea more! |
| 10:38.57 | cousin_luigi | boudiccas: I thought grub replaced the original windows mbr |
| 10:39.09 | ectospasm | there are probably magic numbers it reads to get the version |
| 10:39.21 | boudiccas | cousin_luigi: yes, it does, but it has to read it first |
| 10:39.32 | ectospasm | and yes, "magic numbers" is a technical term (-; |
| 10:39.36 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: just where? |
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| 10:39.44 | lorenzosu | ectospasm: will changing the group be enough? :| |
| 10:39.48 | ectospasm | cousin_luigi: I dunno, I can't answer that. |
| 10:39.52 | ectospasm | lorenzosu: I don't know |
| 10:40.11 | ectospasm | lorenzosu: why do you want to have non-root users execute cpufreq-set? |
| 10:40.14 | cousin_luigi | my problem is that windows 7 is now recognised as windows 8 even after the latter was deleted. The MBR is the only thing I haven't touched at this point. |
| 10:40.22 | cousin_luigi | I guess I'll have to. |
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| 10:40.37 | lorenzosu | ectospasm: because I'm the only user of this machine (It's a laptop) |
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| 10:41.01 | ectospasm | lorenzosu: why not just log in as root (sudo -i) and run it that way? |
| 10:41.14 | lorenzosu | ectospasm: And I often switch govenor when doing audio |
| 10:41.23 | lorenzosu | ectospasm: well I could use sudo (I have sudo) |
| 10:42.47 | ectospasm | cousin_luigi: what do you mean "recognized?" is it just displaying Win8 in the GRUB list? |
| 10:43.12 | ectospasm | ...or can win7 not be booted anymore? |
| 10:43.36 | lorenzosu | ectospasm: but is there really such a risk in having my user run that command on a single-user laptop? |
| 10:43.50 | ectospasm | lorenzosu: I can't answer that |
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| 10:48.12 | lorenzosu | ok ectospasm thanks for your help see ya |
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| 10:49.25 | qw12 | anyone knows how to handle getfacl when there are symbolic links ? |
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| 10:52.59 | ChrisH | qw12: man getfacl search for link and find your answer |
| 10:54.20 | bullgard4 | Is it true that the program mousepad is outdated? |
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| 10:56.03 | boudiccas | .v mousepad |
| 10:56.27 | boudiccas | .version mousepad |
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| 10:56.39 | boudiccas | oh, my foo has left me! |
| 10:56.57 | jelly | ,v mousepad |
| 10:56.58 | judd | Package: mousepad on i386 -- lenny: 0.2.13-2; lenny-backports: 0.2.16-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.2.16-4; sid: 0.2.16-6; wheezy: 0.2.16-6 |
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| 10:57.50 | boudiccas | jelly; ah, i used a . and you used a , ! doh! |
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| 11:03.09 | bullgard4 | judd: So I conclude that there has been a development at least up to sid. Right? |
| 11:05.25 | rent0n | bullgard4: as far as I know, it's not actively developed anymore. But it's still the de facto xfce editor. |
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| 11:05.46 | rent0n | bullgard4: I have no idea what plans the xfce guys have for it |
| 11:06.21 | rent0n | bullgard4: the last version released was 2.16 and that was a long time ago. |
| 11:06.22 | bullgard4 | rent0n: Thank you for your judgment. |
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| 11:07.03 | jelly | bullgard4: judd is a bot. 0.2.16 upstream is apparently from 2009 |
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| 11:07.27 | matlads | ,v perl |
| 11:07.28 | judd | Package: perl on i386 -- lenny: 5.10.0-19lenny5; lenny-security: 5.10.0-19lenny5; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze2; squeeze: 5.10.1-17squeeze3; sid: 5.14.2-13; wheezy: 5.14.2-13; experimental: 5.16.1-1 |
| 11:07.36 | jelly | bullgard4: however, it might just be a small codebase, a small set of features and no new bugs |
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| 11:07.55 | jelly | you could try asking about it in #xfce channel |
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| 11:08.47 | inzane | can i discuss dd in here? |
| 11:09.00 | jelly | inzane: if you're running it on Debian, sure |
| 11:09.02 | bullgard4 | jelly: What other bots are there in use in this channel? |
| 11:09.16 | inzane | ya, i'm running dd on debian |
| 11:09.23 | jelly | !bots |
| 11:09.23 | dpkg | We have lots of bots around to help out with different things. dpkg (<dpkgbot>) and <judd> are the main two for factoids and package information; dselect (<dselectbot>) fills in for dpkg. There's also debhelper (flooding, moderating), apt, ... Most bots are also in #debian-bots if you can't use /msg to talk to them. Be nice to the bots though; they have feelings, bleed oil and let out the <magic smoke> when angry. |
| 11:09.52 | inzane | lately when i dd an iso to my usb, i'm getting "No boot sector on USB device" when i try to boot from it |
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| 11:10.41 | jelly | inzane: make sure that: 1) the usb device is not mounted at the time of dd 2) you're writing to the whole device, and not a partition |
| 11:10.44 | inzane | i've had it work in the past. i'm avoiding the simple mistakes like, i make sure it's unmounted, and i dd straight to the device (sdc) not partition (sdc1) |
| 11:10.49 | jelly | righto |
| 11:11.13 | jelly | inzane: do you disconnect it in a clean way? |
| 11:11.32 | inzane | i don't think so. but idk how |
| 11:11.39 | jelly | inzane: eg. echo 1 > /sys/block/sdc/device/delete after the write |
| 11:11.43 | inzane | that was something i was suspicious of |
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| 11:12.24 | inzane | hmm.. i'll try it! |
| 11:12.26 | jelly | running a sync after dd should be enough tho |
| 11:12.38 | inzane | a sync? i'm still kinda new |
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| 11:12.45 | inzane | what's the command for that? |
| 11:14.05 | inzane | too dumb a question to answer eh.. |
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| 11:16.07 | bullgard4 | jelly: I have tried to get a precise answer in #xfce. Although I argued with package description output I was left alone. |
| 11:16.14 | ksuhku | inzane, haste makes waster |
| 11:16.18 | ksuhku | -r |
| 11:16.38 | jozza | hi i want to install tomcat6 with apt-get on 6.0.5 but it says it cant install because of dependencies problem |
| 11:16.41 | bullgard4 | jelly: Thank you for a first-hand distinction between several bots. |
| 11:16.44 | SiDz | how can i implement raguard on my debian?! |
| 11:16.56 | SiDz | ipv6 router advertissement guard |
| 11:17.07 | SiDz | similar to dhcp snooping |
| 11:17.10 | SiDz | for v4 |
| 11:17.11 | jozza | i installed from a dvd and did the apt-get update |
| 11:17.37 | jelly | arguing with descriptions is similarly silly to arguing with bots |
| 11:17.48 | jelly | hides |
| 11:18.40 | jozza | did i do something wrong at os installation so it doesnt know about the repositories? |
| 11:19.25 | jozza | apt-get update shows some ign and some hit lines |
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| 11:20.57 | jozza | any ideas what is wrong? |
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| 11:24.46 | Brigo | jozza: please paste your /etc/apt/source.lst |
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| 11:25.11 | jozza | Brigo: paste here? |
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| 11:26.47 | Brigo | http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ |
| 11:26.54 | jozza | Brigo: http://pastebin.com/50YcDNBk |
| 11:27.33 | Brigo | jozza: are you tring to install tomcat from dvd or from internet? |
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| 11:28.04 | jozza | i've just commented out the cdrom from sources, i want to install all from internet |
| 11:28.34 | Brigo | then uncoment the last two lines and apt-get update |
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| 11:29.18 | Brigo | jozza: They are the origin of the packages. |
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| 11:29.53 | inzane | jelly: bash: /sys/block/sdc/device/delete: Permission denied |
| 11:30.33 | inzane | after i dd, i did an fdisk -l, to check it, and it says 'no valid partition table'... which does not sound good |
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| 11:31.01 | inzane | jelly, and yes that was with sudo |
| 11:31.25 | inzane | idk what that command does anyway, lol |
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| 11:31.33 | jozza | Brigo: i did, but it doesnt work, still missing dependencies |
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| 11:32.09 | thothstriangle | hi |
| 11:32.33 | inzane | i need help with dd |
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| 11:32.59 | jozza | Brigo: http://pastebin.com/Qptx1bpp |
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| 11:35.21 | Brigo | jozza: run it: apt-cache show tomcat6 |grep Vers |
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| 11:35.33 | Brigo | and apt-cache show tomcat6-common |grep Vers |
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| 11:36.51 | jozza | Brigo: root@HSC-Debian:~# apt-cache show tomcat6 |grep Vers |
| 11:36.53 | jozza | Version: 6.0.35-1+squeeze2 |
| 11:36.54 | jozza | root@HSC-Debian:~# apt-cache show tomcat6-common |grep Vers |
| 11:36.56 | jozza | Version: 6.0.35-1+squeeze2 |
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| 11:37.46 | Brigo | so you have de correct version, i cant see the error ... |
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| 11:37.52 | jozza | yeah |
| 11:38.11 | Brigo | :-) |
| 11:38.40 | Brigo | jozza: try install tomcat6-common |
| 11:39.21 | jozza | says problem with its dependencies then |
| 11:39.31 | jozza | goes on to the root package |
| 11:39.51 | jozza | as if i should install all packages from root up |
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| 11:40.00 | boudiccas | jozza: whats a 'root package'? |
| 11:40.00 | jelly | inzane: don't do it with sudo, do it in a root shell |
| 11:40.05 | furrykef | I'm using Debian 6 with dotdeb. I can't get MediaWiki to work... I get "Call to undefined function mysql_error()" in my log. I have mysqld running, and phpinfo() shows the "mysqlnd" extension (no other mysql stuff, though). Any ideas? |
| 11:40.21 | jelly | inzane: alternatively, echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/sdc/device/delete |
| 11:40.37 | boudiccas | furrykef: dotdeb isnt supported, you're on your won with them |
| 11:40.40 | jozza | the first package tomcat would need to get all its dependencies installed |
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| 11:40.49 | jozza | maybe a bad choice of a word |
| 11:40.58 | boudiccas | own |
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| 11:42.12 | furrykef | My mistake, I didn't have php5-mysql installed |
| 11:42.13 | Brigo | jozza: what the dependecies problem with tomcat6-common? |
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| 11:42.42 | jozza | its own dependencies |
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| 11:43.11 | Xtreme | guys i badly need to remove ctrl + alt + l key |
| 11:43.17 | boudiccas | jozza: please paste in dpaste the whole of the command to install tomcat6-common and its output |
| 11:43.19 | Xtreme | for locking terminal on gnome 3 |
| 11:43.22 | Xtreme | how can i? |
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| 11:43.46 | joules | hi, i'm setting up a base system from debootstrap (wheezy, variant=minbase) all is working except dpkg-reconfigure -a just cycles the "adduser" configuration..is this a bug? |
| 11:44.17 | boudiccas | jozza: and its self-evident that you tell us the url |
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| 11:44.56 | joules | i have to ^C to break out and configure the package manually..annoying. |
| 11:46.59 | jozza | http://pastebin.com/bdeg2utm |
| 11:47.28 | boudiccas | jozza: thats not dpaste! sorry, i avoid pastebin, too much advertising |
| 11:47.38 | jozza | oh |
| 11:47.40 | jozza | ok |
| 11:47.43 | jozza | let me see |
| 11:48.31 | jozza | http://dpaste.com/803037/ |
| 11:49.32 | jozza | i don't know, like something is wrong with apt, it doesnt find any dependencies |
| 11:49.56 | boudiccas | jozza: thanks |
| 11:50.02 | boudiccas | ,v libtomcat6-java |
| 11:50.03 | judd | Package: libtomcat6-java on i386 -- squeeze: 6.0.35-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 6.0.35-1+squeeze2; sid: 6.0.35-4; wheezy: 6.0.35-4 |
| 11:50.35 | boudiccas | jozza: try installing libtomcat6-java first and see if that solves it |
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| 11:51.25 | jozza | no, it depends again on some other packages |
| 11:51.35 | pozic_ | Are there any plans to nuke dbus from orbit? |
| 11:51.42 | Brigo | jozza: try istall them |
| 11:51.45 | pozic_ | If not, please make such plans. |
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| 11:52.15 | jozza | shouldn't apt take care of all that in the first place? |
| 11:52.16 | Brigo | install* |
| 11:52.30 | boudiccas | jozza: wait, you're missing some sources, wait and i'll paste you the missing lines |
| 11:52.36 | pozic_ | Dbus always creates issues like: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoServer: Failed to connect to socket |
| 11:52.36 | Brigo | jozza: yes, and report it, but i dont know what is the problem |
| 11:52.44 | Brigo | jozza: try use aptitude ... |
| 11:52.51 | pozic_ | Does anyone actually understand dbus? |
| 11:53.22 | pozic_ | That is, is it the application to blame when something like this goes wrong or is it dbus? |
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| 11:54.10 | boudiccas | jozza: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib add that, and update and try again |
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| 11:56.02 | thewanderer1 | how do I force the kernel to send a Router Solicitation message after I've replaced a router and want to refresh my routes? |
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| 11:58.15 | Brigo | boudiccas: why change ftp? |
| 11:58.16 | boudiccas | Brigo: jozzawas missing squeeze main from his sources.list which is why he kept failing |
| 11:58.17 | jozza | boudiccas: it works now |
| 11:58.27 | Brigo | mmm |
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| 11:58.42 | boudiccas | jozza: yes, because you were missing squeeze main from your sources.list |
| 11:58.51 | jozza | why was i missing it? |
| 11:59.12 | boudiccas | jozza: dunno, its your sources.list and you're the only one with access to it |
| 11:59.19 | jozza | hehe |
| 11:59.19 | Brigo | sorry, jozza was my fault, i didnt see "squezze-update" :-) |
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| 11:59.38 | jozza | i didnt mess with any files, was a fresh install from a dvd |
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| 12:00.00 | jozza | the next command from install was apt-get install tomcat6 and the trouble started |
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| 12:00.13 | Brigo | jozza: you have a line for secure-udates, for squeze-updates, but not for main repository. |
| 12:00.48 | Brigo | jozza: apt didnt know where to find packages. |
| 12:01.08 | jozza | i know dvd install was asking me some weird questions about repositories and maybe i answered wrong |
| 12:01.37 | boudiccas | jozza: dunno, but you're up and running now, and apt-get is working as it should |
| 12:01.59 | jozza | yes, thx to all for help :) |
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| 12:02.13 | boudiccas | jozza: you're welcome |
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| 12:02.15 | Brigo | jozza: yes, that's why i tell you paste your source.lst first. But i didnt see it miss the main repository. |
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| 12:02.37 | boudiccas | good job i kept my squeeze sources.list when i upgraded to wheezy :) |
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| 12:03.53 | boudiccas | jozza: a hint to the wise, always use dpaste here as pastebin is despised, too many ads and captchas |
| 12:04.40 | jozza | i didnt actualy know for any other site until know |
| 12:04.41 | Iridos | or paste.debian.net |
| 12:04.52 | boudiccas | Iridos: true |
| 12:04.54 | Iridos | which seems to be the obvious choice :D |
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| 12:06.08 | jozza | i will from now on, it does look more obvious to its purpose |
| 12:06.21 | jozza | no adds and stuff... |
| 12:06.50 | boudiccas | jozza: its easier to use then pastebin and its quicker for you and for us to read it too |
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| 12:13.47 | thewanderer1 | I can't seem to get IPv6 to work - the machine doesn't send router solicitations. how do I approach this? |
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| 12:14.41 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: is the router set up for ipv6? |
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| 12:15.05 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: forget that, i thought you meant your router |
| 12:15.06 | sobrediggler | is there anyway i can tunnel a v4 through a free v6 gateway? |
| 12:15.57 | smoke_ | if i download the first debian install dvd i can network the other disks if necesary? |
| 12:16.31 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: well, the router does respond if I send an RS from userspace (using rdisc6)... it's only that the kernel doesn't seem to do any discovery on its own, so doesn't assign an address to the interface |
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| 12:18.14 | thewanderer1 | heck, the router has been sending RA's every 20 seconds and the Debian machine just doesn't see them |
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| 12:18.49 | boudiccas | smoke_: you wont need the other discs if you've got dvd1 as then you can get internet access and update and get apt-get wotking |
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| 12:19.42 | Dagger2 | /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/disable_ipv6? /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/accept_ra? MTU >= 1280? |
| 12:20.39 | thewanderer1 | disable_ipv6=0, accept_ra=1 for eth0 and all, and the MTU is 1500 |
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| 12:20.50 | boudiccas | working |
| 12:20.56 | thewanderer1 | hmm, I actually did get Debian to send a RS, but it did not react on the RA |
| 12:21.20 | Dagger2 | well, that should be fine... firewall? |
| 12:21.35 | thewanderer1 | empty |
| 12:21.54 | Dagger2 | and policy set to accept, I take it? |
| 12:21.57 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 12:22.01 | thewanderer1 | I'm on 2.6.32-5-amd64 and there's no log entries about IPv6 at all |
| 12:22.30 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: that looks like wheezy? |
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| 12:23.08 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: err no, that's squeeze |
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| 12:23.38 | Dagger2 | erm... /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/*/autoconf? |
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| 12:24.10 | thewanderer1 | is set to 1 |
| 12:24.32 | Dagger2 | are your RAs advertising a /64? |
| 12:24.37 | thewanderer1 | yes |
| 12:24.44 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: you've googled? and looked in the debian wiki? |
| 12:25.06 | Dagger2 | and AdvAutonomous is set to on? |
| 12:25.15 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
| 12:25.19 | thewanderer1 | Dagger2: where? |
| 12:25.33 | Dagger2 | thewanderer1: in radvd.conf |
| 12:26.09 | thewanderer1 | I'm not using radvd, this is a FreeBSD machine - but that's a good catch, actually |
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| 12:26.58 | Dagger2 | ah, you'll have to work out the equivalent option then. it should be set to on by default though |
| 12:27.06 | smoke_ | boudiccas, thx |
| 12:27.43 | ksk | hey guys |
| 12:27.50 | boudiccas | smoke_: you're welcome |
| 12:28.08 | ksk | on installing a kernel "the magic" does not put "lvm support" into the generated initrd - is there a way to tell it to do so? |
| 12:28.10 | thewanderer1 | Dagger2: thanks, that was it! I had the autonomous option disabled on the FreeBSD advertisement daemon. |
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| 12:28.41 | thewanderer1 | ksk: maybe you have configured "the magic" to generate a minimal initrd, not a standard one? |
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| 12:29.01 | Dagger2 | thewanderer1: phew, good, because I was running out of ideas :) |
| 12:29.41 | thewanderer1 | <<Use "Router Only" to only advertise this router, "Unmanaged" for Router Advertising with Stateless Autoconfig,>> - I should've read more carefully ;P |
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| 12:31.57 | ksk | thewanderer1: good point, but initramfs.conf says "MODULES=most" - any other place to take a look at? (its not set to anything else in /etc/initramfs-tools) |
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| 12:33.38 | thewanderer1 | ksk: there's probably an initramfs hook that's responsible for placing the lvm modules there - that should be the guilty part (some kind of autodetection fails?). try specifying the modules by hand in the initramfs config... |
| 12:34.10 | ksk | just did so, checking if it helps. thanks so far |
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| 12:34.23 | thewanderer1 | (I mean /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ) |
| 12:35.25 | ksk | it helped :) |
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| 12:56.53 | Kako | hi, (newbie question), I work since years with linux, but im a newbie in debian. How can I install a specific version of pkg? I'm trying to rollback an installation |
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| 13:00.12 | bullgard4 | Kako: I don't think that "rolling back" a distribution is a splendid idea for a newbie. |
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| 13:01.06 | Kako | bullgard4: sorry, not the hole dist, only one pkg. In my case from asterisk from 1.6.2.9-2+squeeze7 to 1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6 |
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| 13:01.46 | thewanderer1 | apt-get install asterisk=1.6.2.9-2+squeeze6 ... did +squeeze7 introduce a regression? O.o |
| 13:01.59 | bullgard4 | Kako: You can use the program Synaptic to freeze a certain package version. |
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| 13:02.55 | pozic_ | It seems that the only difference I can find is a '.' in the file permissions. |
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| 13:04.30 | Kako | bullgard4: does this mean I had to freeze the version bevore trying an upgrade? |
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| 13:05.28 | erlehmann2 | we have a problem, we are installing from usb stick and usb storage module is loaded |
| 13:05.33 | erlehmann2 | but cdrom detect fails |
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| 13:05.45 | erlehmann2 | and there ist no /dev/sdb |
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| 13:06.00 | erlehmann2 | which we could mount to .cdrom |
| 13:06.35 | erlehmann2 | i mean /cdrom |
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| 13:07.14 | MySystem | hello together i want my server harddisk to shutdown after a specified time of idle state so i read a bit and found some examples and the programm hdparm in the sample config are 5 examples and in most is the "write_cache = off" variable set and a variable i dont understand "mult_sect_io = 16" so is it needed to successfully standby harddisk that the write_cache is disabled ? |
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| 13:07.35 | Brigo | erlehmann2: if you are installing from usb stick what's the problem with cdrom? |
| 13:07.44 | erlehmann | Brigo, cdrom detect fails |
| 13:07.52 | erlehmann | it asks for a manual device input |
| 13:08.08 | erlehmann | and we tried mounting /dev/bus/usb/005 under /cdrom, but that is not right |
| 13:08.12 | erlehmann | what can we do? |
| 13:08.17 | bullgard4 | Kako: If you want to keep the current version of a certain package while upgrading others you can use the Synaptic option Package > Lock Version for this package in question. |
| 13:08.18 | Brigo | erlehmann: but you arent using a cdrom. |
| 13:08.23 | erlehmann | dmesg shows usb support and it boots from there |
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| 13:08.31 | erlehmann | Brigo, we have no cdrom drive |
| 13:08.38 | erlehmann | there is none |
| 13:09.09 | Brigo | i think you have to mount something like /dev/sda1 /cdrom, or something from /dev. |
| 13:09.18 | erlehmann | we think that as well |
| 13:09.19 | Kako | bullgard4: no, I want to remove the "new" version and reinstall the old one. How to remove I know, but not how to install a specific version. |
| 13:09.25 | erlehmann | but how can we determine which is the usb drive? |
| 13:09.33 | erlehmann | is /dev/sda not the internal disk? |
| 13:09.44 | thewanderer1 | Kako: I gave you an apt-get line, scroll up |
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| 13:10.54 | Brigo | erlehmann: dmesg |
| 13:11.11 | erlehmann | Brigo, it shows (wait) |
| 13:11.39 | Brigo | or tty2 or tty3 show syslog information |
| 13:12.07 | erlehmann | Brigo, there is usbcore stuff and "usb mass storage support registered" |
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| 13:12.17 | erlehmann | but how do i know which is the device? |
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| 13:13.28 | erlehmann | Brigo, i am confuzzled |
| 13:13.33 | bullgard4 | Kako: http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/03/how-to-install-specific-version-of.html |
| 13:14.07 | Brigo | erlehmann: you may find something like [ 2.484427] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] 625140335 512-byte logical blocks: (320 GB/298 GiB) |
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| 13:14.32 | erlehmann | Brigo, i may, but how can i find the thing i need to mount to /cdrom ? |
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| 13:15.14 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: The former. Found about it btw. |
| 13:16.11 | cousin_luigi | ectospasm: (it greps a certain string in \boot\BCD) |
| 13:16.19 | qdb | hello. i changed console background color. but when i login, it is black. i want to make monitor brighter, so set white background, just to see keyboard . how to set white background before login? |
| 13:17.25 | Brigo | erlehmann: try things like: mount /dev/sda1 /cdrom |
| 13:17.31 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 13:17.34 | Brigo | erlehmann: or mount /dev/sdb1 /cdrom |
| 13:17.37 | erlehmann | Brigo, but is not /dev/sda the hard disk? |
| 13:17.43 | erlehmann | Brigo, there is no /dev/sdb |
| 13:17.46 | nkuttler | qdb: console or terminal? |
| 13:17.55 | qdb | console |
| 13:18.00 | qdb | ctrl alt f1 root |
| 13:18.11 | Brigo | erlehmann: if sda are the hardisk sdb should be the usb stick |
| 13:18.20 | qdb | before login it is probabl;y also root |
| 13:18.28 | erlehmann | Brigo, but if there is no sdb, can i do something about that? |
| 13:18.50 | Brigo | erlehmann: then sda are the sub stick, try to mount it and test. |
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| 13:18.59 | Brigo | usb stick* |
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| 13:25.05 | ManoftheSea | aar! |
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| 13:27.17 | erlehmann | Brigo, /mount /dev/sda /cdrom failed invalid argument |
| 13:27.49 | MySystem | hello again together i want my server harddisk to shutdown after a specified time of idle state so i read a bit and found some examples and the programm hdparm in the sample config are 5 examples and in most is the "write_cache = off" variable set and a variable i dont understand "mult_sect_io = 16" so is it needed to successfully standby harddisk that the write_cache is disabled ? |
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| 13:28.41 | dkr | that seems doubtful |
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| 13:29.04 | phaidros | doesn wheezy beta installer support efi installation already ? |
| 13:29.22 | phaidros | (at first glance efi sucks .. :D ) |
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| 13:29.56 | bullgard4 | What is the proper way to change the environment variable EDITOR? |
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| 13:30.35 | Brigo | erlehmann: mount /dev/sda1 /cdrom |
| 13:30.46 | dkr | bullgard4: depends on what shell you use |
| 13:30.48 | phaidros | bullgard4: in .bashrc set EDITOR=nano |
| 13:31.08 | erlehmann | Brigo, there is no /dev/sda1 |
| 13:31.35 | dkr | phaidros: not "export EDITOR=nano" ? |
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| 13:32.41 | Brigo | erlehmann: then i dont know what is the problem. |
| 13:33.07 | erlehmann | Brigo, okay :( |
| 13:34.32 | bullgard4 | dkr, phaidros: Thank you very much for your help. |
| 13:34.44 | Brigo | erlehmann: what version are you trying to install? |
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| 13:35.16 | erlehmann | Brigo, testing xfce cd image was put on usb stick via dd and it is a thinkpad e135 |
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| 13:35.23 | tehtrb | i got a question: what's the "thd" service doing on my pc ? |
| 13:36.28 | dkr | dpkg -S `which thd` might tell you what package it was installed by, and aptitude show packagename would tell you more about it |
| 13:36.28 | dpkg | Dingos ate my `which thd` might tell you what package it was installed by, and aptitude show packagename would tell you more about it! |
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| 13:37.18 | phaidros | is the currect wheezy installer capable of creating a gpt partition table? |
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| 13:38.32 | Kako | bullgard4: thanks, I've removed the brocken version and reinstalled the "old" one. now it seems to work again. |
| 13:38.33 | Brigo | erlehmann: wrong |
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| 13:39.01 | bullgard4 | Kako: Congratulations. |
| 13:39.01 | erlehmann | Brigo, what is wrong about it? |
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| 13:39.33 | Brigo | erlehmann: cd images are not usb compatibles, they need some changes |
| 13:39.37 | Iridos | phaidros, what partitioning programs are able to do it? |
| 13:39.53 | _martin | i want to create a bootable debian usb install medium where can i find the necessary tools? |
| 13:39.55 | _martin | for windows? |
| 13:40.09 | erlehmann | Brigo, but it booted! |
| 13:40.19 | erlehmann | Brigo, i thought dd is all it took. friends told us :/ |
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| 13:42.44 | erlehmann | Brigo, details? |
| 13:42.45 | Brigo | erlehmann: yes, it boots, but it expect the data in a cd, not in a usb stick, for example :-) |
| 13:42.58 | erlehmann | Brigo, so what do we have to do? |
| 13:43.25 | jpinx | _martin: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 13:43.26 | phaidros | Iridos: I am not sure, I think gparted is .. acutally I want to find out if I can install wheezy via expert installer on an EFI-only machine |
| 13:43.33 | _martin | thxy |
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| 13:44.50 | Brigo | fedora: try things like multisystem |
| 13:44.57 | Brigo | or ask google. :-) |
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| 13:45.45 | jpinx | erlehmann: did you consider the netinstall from usb ? |
| 13:45.54 | erlehmann | jpinx, nope, not a good network here |
| 13:46.22 | jpinx | erlehmann: don't let that put you off - it's not so hard on the connection if you are patient ;) |
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| 13:46.31 | Iridos | phaidros, the installer disk by default uses partman for partitioning, but there's also support for using cfdisk or parted via the console outside the "gui installer"... (and of course you can always partition from a separate disk, then install) ... I haven't had contact with all that efi stuff yet, so dunno what restrictions it poses or how the installers deal with them/it |
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| 13:47.37 | jpinx | erlehmann: as has been said - the CD's have references to the cd device - not the usb device - I have not heard of anyone untangling that, though I daresay it's possible |
| 13:47.54 | erlehmann | oh well is there a full usb device install? |
| 13:48.16 | jpinx | erlehmann: I belive not - but you might find a live system ... |
| 13:48.41 | Iridos | hm? |
| 13:49.30 | Iridos | erlehmann, usually netinstall is the way to go, as less data is transferred, total |
| 13:49.47 | jpinx | Iridos: we've talked about that ;) |
| 13:49.48 | erlehmann | indeeds? |
| 13:49.49 | Iridos | you plan to take disks from some place with better network for the install? |
| 13:50.25 | jpinx | erlehmann: you say you have the CD's already in your hand? |
| 13:50.43 | erlehmann | jpinx, the thinkpad e135 has no cdrom, therefore we use a usb stick |
| 13:51.08 | jpinx | erlehmann: or do you have the .iso's downloaded already? |
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| 13:51.19 | Iridos | erlehmann, and what install media did you want to use via usb? I am just playing round with a wheezy usb install ... could see if copying the CD1 or whatever and using it is painless |
| 13:51.26 | phaidros | Iridos: thans. but I especially ask for that efi compatibility ;) |
| 13:51.33 | erlehmann | Iridos, usb! |
| 13:51.49 | erlehmann | Iridos, i did sudo dd if=debian-6.0.5-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync |
| 13:52.01 | Iridos | erlehmann, you put the usb image on the usb stick, then you put the iso image on the new filesystem! |
| 13:52.05 | jpinx | Iridos: can you sort out the way the installer refers to the cd-device and make it look at the usb-device during install? |
| 13:52.21 | _martin | thx jpinx |
| 13:52.27 | erlehmann | Iridos, oh well :( |
| 13:52.53 | Iridos | erlehmann, no, it doesn't work like this. there are specially prepared images for usb sticks and after you put those on, you copy the intact iso onto that filesystem and that iso is then later mounted via loopback device from the installer like a CD |
| 13:52.59 | jpinx | has a similar issue to erlehmann coz the eeepc has no cd |
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| 13:53.02 | Iridos | dpkg, usb install |
| 13:53.02 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 13:53.05 | erlehmann | Iridos, give link? |
| 13:53.13 | Iridos | erlehmann, ^^^ |
| 13:53.21 | phaidros | erlehmann, Iridos: I just had success booting a usb stick, created with dd if=wheezy_businescard.iso of=/dev/sdX |
| 13:53.22 | erlehmann | dpkg, install debian |
| 13:53.22 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 13:53.40 | erlehmann | unetbootin is good? |
| 13:53.52 | erlehmann | i am now downloading wget "http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso" |
| 13:53.55 | erlehmann | is this correct? |
| 13:53.56 | Iridos | phaidros, that's kinda astonishing as such... |
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| 13:54.40 | segmentation_fau | can anyone help with multiple keyboard layouts in lxde - debian squeeze? |
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| 13:54.52 | jpinx | erlehmann: if you are downloading with impunity - you can do the very easy netinstall |
| 13:54.56 | phaidros | Iridos: correct file name was debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso, tho |
| 13:55.13 | segmentation_fau | I have set up my options in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-keyboard.conf |
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| 13:55.21 | segmentation_fau | but they don't work |
| 13:55.49 | jpinx | segmentation_fau: locales might hold your answer |
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| 13:56.26 | segmentation_fau | jpinx, if I use setxkbmap from terminal everything sets up fine |
| 13:56.27 | Iridos | phaidros, oh, actually the link from the installer guide now says you can boot the isos from usb... funnily enough, I didn't see the same for wheezy |
| 13:56.42 | segmentation_fau | looks like my keyboard.conf is ignored |
| 13:56.52 | phaidros | Iridos: it has been told to do so since squeeze, tho the docs of the installer didn't reflect this untile lately |
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| 13:57.26 | segmentation_fau | I have made a post here https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/multiple-keyboard-layouts-on-lxde-debian-squeeze-4175427984/ |
| 13:57.43 | Iridos | hmm, weird... http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03 same text... but I came from the install guide and got stuck at http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apas02.html#howto-getting-images-usb |
| 13:57.44 | segmentation_fau | for more details |
| 13:58.33 | jpinx | Iridos: I can confirm that cd.iso's did not work on a usb stick a few months ago |
| 13:58.34 | Iridos | hm... I wonder how I ended up at d-i.alioth |
| 13:58.43 | Iridos | instead of debian.org |
| 13:58.52 | Iridos | but the sections differ a lot |
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| 13:59.47 | Iridos | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.amd64/ch04s03.html <--- vs---> http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/amd64/ch04s03 |
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| 13:59.58 | _martin | can i use the fedora usb creator to write the debian image onto the usb device? https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ |
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| 14:01.14 | abrotman | _martin: from windows you mean? or from linux? |
| 14:01.22 | _martin | from windows |
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| 14:01.43 | abrotman | i think we generaly send people ot the Ubuntu tool, but you can sure try your method |
| 14:02.13 | _martin | ok thans |
| 14:02.15 | _martin | *k |
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| 14:03.34 | Coweater | segmentation_fau: i don't see why you need the evdev file at all. I'm not sure about your identifier string, and all the examples I find set MatchIsKeyboard to "on" not "yes" |
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| 14:04.23 | _martin | damn dont work abramart |
| 14:04.28 | phaidros | what is the meta package for the debian standard desktop (have installed ssh only via d-i, now want to enhance the machine with X and gnome and $everything :) ) |
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| 14:04.43 | abrotman | phaidros: what DE do you want? |
| 14:04.58 | abrotman | _martin: google 'ubuntu win32 CD' or something like that |
| 14:05.08 | _martin | thx |
| 14:05.18 | abrotman | phaidros: oh, i see .. aptitude install xorg gdm3 gnome |
| 14:05.19 | segmentation_fau | Coweater, I tried a couple identifier strings which didn't work. will try "on" instead of "yes" and post back |
| 14:05.20 | phaidros | abrotman: standard ootb (I believe it is gnome3 now?) |
| 14:05.37 | abrotman | phaidros: depends which veresion of Debian you have, but the command is the same |
| 14:05.38 | Coweater | segmentation_fau: for identifiers i've always used the name that shows from xinput (xinput --list --name-only) |
| 14:05.53 | phaidros | abrotman: that comes with network-manager and all the standard stuff? |
| 14:06.29 | segmentation_fau | Coweater, thanks, didn't know that (I still use xorg.conf on my pc) |
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| 14:08.05 | abrotman | phaidros: should, yes |
| 14:08.38 | d1b | ashleyis: you should upgrade debian on your eee soon man, i heard that lenny isn't supported anymore |
| 14:08.42 | abrotman | phaidros: you may have to add addtional items later, like iceweaewl or libreoffice |
| 14:09.14 | ashleyis | d1b: thats crazy talk |
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| 14:10.01 | dym | Hey - i miscalculated a bit and therefore also mis-partitioned a harddrive. is it possible to mount a directory from one partition into a directory on another to kinda "redirect" the files? |
| 14:10.23 | dym | the one partition is full, and i want to re-locate space from the other partition to that drive. |
| 14:10.27 | dym | partition* |
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| 14:10.49 | jpinx | dym gparted might help you |
| 14:11.04 | dym | jpinx: all the space is partitioned |
| 14:11.19 | jpinx | dym: google gparted.... |
| 14:11.25 | abrotman | ashleyis: lenny hasn't had support in quite a few months |
| 14:11.27 | dym | plus everything is in a mdraid 1 |
| 14:11.34 | dym | jpinx: i know gparted |
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| 14:12.27 | segmentation_fau | Coweater, could I merge those settings with 10-evdev.conf? |
| 14:13.46 | dym | jpinx: is what i asked for possible? |
| 14:14.31 | d1b | ashleyis: yeah you should upgrade now! |
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| 14:15.35 | Iridos | dym, mount -bind ... but you can also shrink one partition and enlarge another ... although that depends a bit on what filesystem you have on it ... |
| 14:15.44 | dym | ext4 |
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| 14:16.32 | Iridos | should be possible to resize... dunno about how your raid setup would play into that |
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| 14:19.20 | Iridos | jpinx, well, interesting that you apparently now can directly boot the iso images... and that I obviously took the "wrong" installation guide |
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| 14:23.53 | jpinx | Iridos: yes - sounds like good news for people like me who don't have a cd-drive |
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| 14:24.33 | Iridos | that'll surely make stuff easier... usb install instructions sucked a lot (well, still do if you want to set it up yourself) |
| 14:25.02 | Iridos | I'm still at the partitioning... that's actually also quite horrible... |
| 14:25.18 | jpinx | Iridos: the netinstall instrucions suck badly too |
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| 14:26.12 | Coweater | segmentation_fau: i think the recommendation is to add user files to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/. I prefer it because it makes backups easier for me. It should work if you modify 10-evdev.conf though |
| 14:26.13 | Auriga | Hello, using Debian 6, is it possible to disable the touchpad during screenlock? |
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| 14:26.56 | skrull | asterisk 1:1.6.2.9-2+squeeze7 from security is messed up |
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| 14:27.28 | boudiccas | skrull: have you checked the BTS? i think its a known problem |
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| 14:28.44 | Iridos | it is... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=688053 |
| 14:29.18 | skrull | yeah |
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| 14:29.21 | skrull | no sip peers here |
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| 14:30.45 | skrull | Good, bug is already reported. Ddowngraded back to squeeze5 by the moment. |
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| 14:32.15 | somiaj | Auriga: if you dont have a hardware switch (many touchpads do) it appears you can use xinput (from google, http://www.nico.schottelius.org/blog/xorg-disable-touchpad-with-xinput/) |
| 14:32.34 | somiaj | not sure if you can turn it on/off with that, but it seems lkely |
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| 14:34.01 | somiaj | well that just tells xorg to ignore events from the device you turn off. I know some touchpads have software drivers that can turn them on/off, that could be another way, but not sure how well that is supported. |
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| 14:41.59 | segmentation_fau | Coweater, still no luck. Is it possible that gdm ignores/overrides any settings I make? |
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| 14:42.38 | segmentation_fau | This was a Gnome default install, then I added lxde |
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| 14:43.33 | L337hium | i have a question about the useage of CHROOT. i ask about the quality of my idea: i want to setup a CHROOT the run _one_ specific rubu/rails application to avoid the problem that every ruby app needs specific version of gems. so for the future on i want to setup a chroot for every new ruby problem. is thiss good or are there better sugesstions? thanks for your attions. |
| 14:43.47 | L337hium | s/rubu/ruby |
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| 14:46.18 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Haven't read everything but you really shouldn't edit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-keyboard.conf but /etc/default/keyboard. This can be done with "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" -- A setup for multiple layout just lists them seperated by commas (e.g. "XKBLAYOUT="gb,fi") |
| 14:46.49 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Whatever gave you the idea that tinkering with those files shouldn't be trusted. |
| 14:47.06 | segmentation_fau | babilen, got that from arch and gentoo wiki |
| 14:47.40 | segmentation_fau | babilen, the 30-keyboard.conf file is mine, it didn't exist |
| 14:47.50 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Generally speaking you shouldn't edit files in /usr -- Whenever something recommends to do that there is likely to be a better way. |
| 14:47.52 | phaidros | L337hium: hi, there are several ways to approach that. in python world there is virtualenv. in ruby/rails world there is rvm or other ways to have a specific ruby stack for a certain app. |
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| 14:48.00 | segmentation_fau | babilen, will try your suggestion, thanks |
| 14:48.32 | phaidros | L337hium: but chroot is mostly to much bloated for what you want to do. or do you want to jail the rails apps from each other? |
| 14:49.01 | segmentation_fau | babil |
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| 14:49.14 | L337hium | phaidros: i allready tryed rvm, but ended up with the problem, that i have to setup rvm only in single user mode, and failed several times trying to install rvm with mutli-user mode. |
| 14:49.21 | phaidros | L337hium: I wouldn't recommend a world full of chroots, instead check out lxc (linux containers) which is like chroot on steroids and the way to do it nowadays. |
| 14:49.41 | phaidros | L337hium: try rubies. |
| 14:49.55 | phaidros | (as rvm seems already outdated a bit) |
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| 14:50.05 | segmentation_fau | babilen, the correct options are in /etc/default/keyboard (I didn't edit them, maybe they are from gnome settings?) |
| 14:50.18 | segmentation_fau | will try the dpkg thingy now |
| 14:50.20 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Ah, ok. Either way /etc/default/keyboard is the right place for this. (dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration) -- You can then switch between defined layouts with ALT-SHIFT -- Note that LXDE *might* configure the keyboard on its own and that it doesn't necessarily respects Xorg's configuration. I don't use LXDE and therefore can't help with that. |
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| 14:50.28 | L337hium | phaidros: k i will take a lock at lxc and rubis. thx ;) |
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| 14:50.37 | phaidros | L337hium: anyways, I'd suggest asking in #ruby or #rails for further best-practice questions, as it is not strictly related to #debian |
| 14:51.01 | L337hium | phaidros: i will. |
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| 14:51.04 | segmentation_fau | babilen, AFAIK lxde can't define layouts, it just have an app to switch on the taskbar |
| 14:51.13 | babilen | ack |
| 14:51.23 | phaidros | L337hium: then again, good to see you in here :) |
| 14:52.00 | L337hium | phaidros: ^^ thx. it's good to see you again, too. |
| 14:52.21 | phaidros | anyone a hint how to mount virtualbox' vmdk containers in wheezy? |
| 14:52.51 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Please also note that you might want to define a suitable InputDevice section in a .conf file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) for server specific settings. What are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:53.21 | ChrisH | phaidros: start virtualbox? |
| 14:53.22 | phaidros | oh, http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem suggest xmount for *.vmdk and *.vdi .. trying that :) |
| 14:53.47 | jpinx | phaidros: not sure what you are trying to do since vmdk's are just a ref to the native system to be run in a vm |
| 14:53.55 | phaidros | ChrisH: well, if Iwant to dd if=filesfrom.vmdk of=/dev/local/partition .. a booted virtualbox doesn't help to much, right? |
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| 14:54.24 | phaidros | jpinx: dd'ing a debian install from a virtualbox instance to a real partition :) |
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| 14:54.53 | ChrisH | phaidros: depends on you you want to achieve |
| 14:55.06 | phaidros | ChrisH: this i dont understand :) |
| 14:55.10 | jpinx | phaidros: that will be a .vdi then? |
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| 14:55.25 | phaidros | jpinx: nope. lately virtualbox disks seem to be vmdk as default |
| 14:55.26 | pmade | phaidros: I think you have to convert the disk image to raw first. |
| 14:55.30 | jpinx | phaidros: /join #virtualbox ;) |
| 14:55.32 | segmentation_fau | babilen, I am just trying to add gr layout and alt_shift_toggle |
| 14:55.34 | ChrisH | phaidros: I do not know what your goal is. |
| 14:55.46 | phaidros | ChrisH: dd'ing a debian install from a virtualbox instance to a real partition :) |
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| 14:55.53 | segmentation_fau | babilen, check here https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/multiple-keyboard-layouts-on-lxde-debian-squeeze-4175427984/ |
| 14:55.54 | phaidros | jpinx: maybe, yeah |
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| 14:56.02 | jpinx | phaidros: I'm in there too ;) |
| 14:56.43 | uberhonky | Hey everybody, this is a job control question. I am forwarding x11 data over ssh and interacting with a gui, in my particular case I am using a statistical software called stata, and the program needs to number crunch for days at a time, I would like to bring up the gui and then suspend it to the background with out killing it. And then be able to bring up the same gui at a later date. I tried using "xstata &" but this still bring up the gui, and if |
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| 14:56.44 | uberhonky | exit the window, it kills the program.. any help thanks! |
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| 14:56.53 | deliria | Hi. I have debian 6.0.5 with apt-pinning for some more recent pacakges. Glibc version seems to be 2.11.3-3. I'm installing a game that seems to require glibc 2.12 and thus fails to start with: ./Torchlight.bin.x86: /lib/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0: version `GLIBC_2.12' not found (required by /home/etherx/games/Torchlight/lib/libSDL2-2.0.so.0) |
| 14:56.58 | deliria | Any suggestions? |
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| 14:57.48 | jach123 | Hello, I installed Debian and my graphics seem to be really bad. I've done what it says on the wiki and installed many Radeon packages, aswell as the catalyst driver but still doing stuff like moving windows has a very low FPS rate. Any ideas? |
| 14:58.10 | segmentation_fau | sweet jesus christ, I have alt_shift_toggle on console and not on X... |
| 14:58.21 | segmentation_fau | wtf is wrong? |
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| 15:00.01 | jelly | deliria: rebuild the package from source on squeeze |
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| 15:00.20 | jelly | deliria: using stable + pinning is a recipe for pain |
| 15:00.36 | jelly | dpkg, tell deliria about ssb |
| 15:00.39 | jach123 | I guess not then. Debian has so many Problems. |
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| 15:01.38 | deliria | jelly: thanks, I'll give that a try |
| 15:02.12 | jelly | jach123: be more patient, people are not looking at irc the whole time |
| 15:03.43 | ChrisH | phaidros: I googled "convert virtualbox to real machine" and found nice howtos |
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| 15:04.32 | jach123 | What are good Linux distros based on Debian that work? |
| 15:04.48 | phaidros | hm, ChrisH .. well asking a question like this, full new worlds of readable information turns up .. nice one :D |
| 15:05.05 | phaidros | jach123: ubuntu? |
| 15:05.09 | phaidros | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.11 | Iridos | ms-windows or solaris |
| 15:05.12 | ksk | jach123: http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
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| 15:06.08 | jach123 | Iridos: Windows isn't based on Debian |
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| 15:06.30 | Iridos | ok, fairysnuff... lets say it like this: I don't know of any distribution where people will come up with a concise answer to a rather vague problem description within 3 minutes tops |
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| 15:06.53 | Iridos | based on debian or not |
| 15:07.05 | noetic | Can anybody help me in setting up Evans Debugger for Debian? |
| 15:07.20 | segmentation_fau | babilen, still nothing |
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| 15:08.09 | segmentation_fau | I am this close to creating an xorg.conf file |
| 15:08.23 | jach123 | debian is shit |
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| 15:09.50 | segmentation_fau | jach123, you are free to change that |
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| 15:10.17 | jpinx | jach123: goback to windows then :) |
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| 15:10.41 | jach123 | jpinx: But windows suck dick |
| 15:10.50 | jpinx | jach123: negative attitude get negative results ;) |
| 15:11.02 | jach123 | Is it me or is #SolusOS empty? |
| 15:11.17 | jach123 | I thought SolusOS was based on Debian and is popular |
| 15:11.48 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:12.40 | segmentation_fau | jach123, and? what is the problem that you see |
| 15:13.11 | jach123 | oooooh wrong irc channel |
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| 15:13.20 | jelly | jach123: debian does not really go overboard to cater to users that require non-free software; also, it's not immediately visible that there might be newer free drivers in "squeeze-backports" in case you have fresh hardware |
| 15:13.53 | jelly | if that makes it shit, then yes |
| 15:14.00 | jach123 | *NETWORKkkkkk |
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| 15:18.38 | phaidros | hm, how to use an lvm which is *inside* a .img file? |
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| 15:19.07 | jelly | phaidros: make a device out of it using losetup, first |
| 15:19.23 | jelly | then let lvm tools examine and bring up any volume groups |
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| 15:20.47 | phaidros | jelly: thx |
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| 15:22.21 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 15:22.39 | jach123 | johnfag: hi |
| 15:22.56 | johnfg | I'm trying to get wicd configured to work with my static ip. dhcp in my environment won't work. |
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| 15:23.52 | Zeeflo | use static mac leasing in your router |
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| 15:24.27 | johnfg | wicd is mostly working, but I'm wondering about global dns server being chosen. |
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| 15:26.47 | johnfg | Zeeflo, I'm using a dlink wireless router and am not finding what you're referring to yet. |
| 15:27.50 | Zeeflo | its probably under your dhcp settings |
| 15:28.06 | Zeeflo | i can only imagine that any router allows mac leasing |
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| 15:32.01 | segmentation_fau | fyi still can't use multiple layouts on lxde |
| 15:32.09 | segmentation_fau | any more suggestions? |
| 15:32.16 | johnfg | If I check Use global dns servers in the wicd Preferences, would I use my registrars, my cable modems, or my own, viz. dns1.spirit.org? |
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| 15:33.21 | johnfg | Is my DNS domain church? As this machine is church.spirit.org? |
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| 15:33.52 | Nillerz | Hello. I have audio issues! I am trying to get OSS emulation to work with alsa using alsa-oss |
| 15:34.06 | Nillerz | it doesn't appear to be working, however. |
| 15:34.10 | phaidros | how to distinguish 2 similar debian installs in the grub menu? (read: howto make grub give them different names ot whatever) |
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| 15:36.09 | phaidros | hm, my bad, grub does that ootb, mentioning the root device m( |
| 15:36.14 | phaidros | sry for disturbance |
| 15:36.21 | Nillerz | nobody is disturbed. |
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| 15:38.40 | Zeeflo | j openvpn |
| 15:38.43 | Zeeflo | whoops |
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| 15:40.17 | phaidros | ok, then again, after rerunning update-grub the os-proper mentions that another install is found, but only the running system is writte into /boot/grub/grub.cfg .. howsthat? |
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| 15:42.38 | dagen | anybody knows how to clear iptables rules for PREROUTING & POSTROUTING? because there is many duplicates in rules |
| 15:43.06 | dagen | i'm trying iptables -F -t nat but nothing happens |
| 15:43.28 | aleixdorca | iptables -t nat -F |
| 15:43.30 | dagen | POSTROUTING & PREROUTING rules don't deleted |
| 15:43.36 | dagen | it's not working ( |
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| 15:50.45 | segmentation_fau | can anyone please confirm that debian squeeze is using udev and evdev for its xorg input devices and not hal? |
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| 15:54.26 | phaidros | darn, grub-mkconfig states that os-prober found the other install, but doesnt add it to grub.cfg .. *any* hints here? |
| 15:56.10 | segmentation_fau | phaidros, then add it manually ? |
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| 15:56.33 | sney | phaidros: is /boot on a separate partition? if so, make sure it's mounted rw |
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| 15:57.07 | Brigo | dagen: http://paste.debian.net/190922/ |
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| 15:57.17 | dagen | ops |
| 15:57.30 | phaidros | sney: /boot is a seperate partition for the running system, not for the secondary system .. does that make a difference? |
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| 15:58.35 | dagen | write to '/etc/network/interfaces' to the end of file this: 'post-up /etc/network/iptables.sh' |
| 15:58.36 | sney | phaidros: just make sure it's mounted rw and that there are no permission problems. it sounds like grub.cfg is not being written to at all |
| 15:58.36 | dagen | then do: /etc.init.d/netwroking restart |
| 15:58.36 | dagen | then: iptables -L --> EMPTY |
| 15:58.36 | dagen | iptables -L -t nat --> EMPTY |
| 15:58.44 | dagen | where i'm wrong? |
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| 15:59.06 | phaidros | funnily it got found when I hangled myself from a vbox disk image oder loop device oder vgchange/lvm, dd'ing the contents into the new lvm. grub just got the uuid wrong. now, retrying the grub detection thing, it just says it found another install, but doesnt act on it .. crazy |
| 15:59.10 | dagen | in iptables.sh many many rules |
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| 15:59.46 | Brigo | dagen: do you see what i post? |
| 15:59.52 | Brigo | or paste, better? |
| 16:00.00 | phaidros | sney: nope. the grub.cfg gets written. I can see what grub does with "grub-mkconfig | less" and there is nothing included what the os-prober found. I just wonder why it worked before |
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| 16:00.18 | phaidros | or better: I wonder how to make it work again :) |
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| 16:00.47 | babilen | segmentation_fau: How do you start LXDE? |
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| 16:02.29 | segmentation_fau | babilen, on gdm login screen, I type my username and then select lxde from the drop-down menu |
| 16:02.52 | babilen | segmentation_fau: gdm or gdm3? |
| 16:02.58 | segmentation_fau | gdm3 |
| 16:02.58 | phaidros | segmentation_fau: I *can* add it to 40_custom_config in grub.d, but that is not a generic solution :/ |
| 16:04.12 | babilen | segmentation_fau: I was thinking of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=590534 -- Could you try starting it with startx? |
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| 16:06.26 | segmentation_fau | babilen, this looks interesting. give me a moment to try startx |
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| 16:07.16 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Sure - I gave up on gdm3 when I ran into this bug. Right now I don't really need multiple layouts, but that bug was/is annoying. |
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| 16:07.37 | bullgard4 | What Debian programs do use the environment variable EDITOR? |
| 16:07.39 | segmentation_fau | babilen, I am a debian noob, so how do I remove gdm3 from default runlevel? |
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| 16:08.49 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Oh, you don't have to do that. Just stop it for now (service gdm3 stop) from a console and try startx. ("update-rc.d gdm3 disable" would disable it, but that is unnecessary) |
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| 16:09.49 | segmentation_fau | babilen, right, different problem solving process :) |
| 16:10.01 | babilen | bullgard4: Specifically Debian programs? Hmm, reportbug for example. There surely are many others ... |
| 16:10.14 | babilen | many many others ... |
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| 16:13.31 | bullgard4 | babilen: If there are so many of them, it should not be difficult to list a few more and among them some which i know also. |
| 16:14.12 | segmentation_fau | babilen, WOW! I mean WOW! |
| 16:14.20 | segmentation_fau | it fscking worked |
| 16:14.26 | segmentation_fau | fscking bug |
| 16:14.27 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Heh :) |
| 16:14.29 | segmentation_fau | !!! |
| 16:14.29 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 16:15.01 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Draw whatever conclusion you want to draw from that. Mine was: "Don't use gdm3" |
| 16:15.14 | segmentation_fau | babilen, obviously |
| 16:15.22 | segmentation_fau | maybe I setup xdm |
| 16:15.33 | babilen | bullgard4: mutt comes to mind, but that is not a Debian program |
| 16:15.38 | Xtreme | guys, how to enable java for firefox in debian? |
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| 16:15.43 | boudiccas | whats the problem with running gdm3? i run it okay |
| 16:16.02 | babilen | !tell Xtreme -about install java |
| 16:16.20 | Xtreme | babilen, i already did that.. |
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| 16:16.26 | Xtreme | i have java everywhere, but not in firefox |
| 16:16.42 | babilen | Xtreme: firefox is not in Debian -- Try a supported browser please. |
| 16:16.57 | boudiccas | Xtreme: firefox is not a debian programme, its not supprted in debian |
| 16:17.14 | babilen | Xtreme: And you might want to elaborate on the "that" -- What exactly did you install? Is the plugin listed in "about:plugins" ? |
| 16:18.07 | babilen | Xtreme: In Iceweasel, chromium, epiphany, ... for example. Btw, there really isn't a need to use firefox on Debian. |
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| 16:18.58 | bullgard4 | babilen: If there are so many of them, please list a few more popular programs than reportbug and mutt. |
| 16:19.14 | phaidros | sney: ok, the second guest didnt have /boot/* fils, I just forgot to get them from the original system .. hence, os-prober sees something but can't deal with it m) |
| 16:19.28 | babilen | bullgard4: no |
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| 16:19.49 | bullgard4 | babilen: Why not? |
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| 16:21.01 | colo-work | crontab uses $EDITOR, for instance |
| 16:21.05 | colo-work | also visudo, iirc |
| 16:21.46 | babilen | bullgard4: Because I have to check the manpage of every single program as I don't want to tell you something wrong. Furthermore I don't see why you would want to know it ... The EDITOR environment variable is used by many programs that spawn an editor. git would, for example, use whatever is specified there when you have to edit the commit log. As would probably most other VCS systems. Hell, what program do *you* use on the console in which you ... |
| 16:21.51 | babilen | ... have to edit? |
| 16:22.23 | babilen | bullgard4: And yeah, crontab, visudo do use it as well. |
| 16:22.49 | talsamon | Xtreme, iceweasel is nearly the same as firefox....have you set the link in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to libnpjp2.so of your java-version |
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| 16:23.09 | Xtreme | talsomon, thank you :) |
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| 16:23.21 | babilen | talsamon: There is *absolutely* no need to use Firefox on Debian and Xtreme should just use Iceweasel. |
| 16:23.40 | Xtreme | babilen, i like fire, not ice |
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| 16:23.47 | cali_ | hello! |
| 16:23.49 | talsamon | babilen, i agree, on debian i have also iceweasel, but if he want |
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| 16:23.55 | babilen | Xtreme: I am not entirely sure why you use FF, but if you do it because you want a newer version you could just install IW from http://backports.debian.org or http://mozilla.debian.net |
| 16:24.04 | themill | bullgard4: iirc, $EDITOR is a POSIX convention not a debian one. You'll find it much more widely used than just debian |
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| 16:24.16 | Xtreme | babilen, i am on testing repository.. |
| 16:24.22 | Xtreme | so yes, i have the latest stuff |
| 16:24.29 | cali_ | I got xvnc4 running on debian, for unknown reason it has blacklisted 0.0.0.0, anyone knows how to remove that crap |
| 16:24.31 | cali_ | ? |
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| 16:24.38 | babilen | Xtreme: Not quite, but well. Does it work with a supported browser? |
| 16:25.01 | Xtreme | babilen, huh? |
| 16:25.07 | talsamon | Xtreme, the link ist the same in iceweasel like firefox, if you choose iceweasel |
| 16:25.21 | Zeeflo | i need help rolling back to php 5.2 on my debian.. |
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| 16:25.31 | babilen | talsamon: libnpjp2.so is not used by icedtea IIRC, or did you check that? IIRC that is the name of the file installed by Oracle's plugin that cannot be packaged and shouldn't be used if OpenJDK is installed. |
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| 16:26.40 | Xtreme | after creating the link, i have to restart browser am i right? |
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| 16:27.41 | babilen | Zeeflo: That version is no longer supported and I would strongly recommend to update whatever program depends on it. Ask ##php about the best strategy to do it. If that is absolutely not possible (yay, great development!) you can run a lenny installation in a VM or chroot, but you should be aware that it doesn't get security support anymore. (I guess the same holds true for PHP 5.2) |
| 16:28.10 | themill | Zeeflo: fixing the php in question is generally easier than fixing php itself. |
| 16:28.17 | babilen | Xtreme: libnpjp2.so is not installed by icedtea -- Which packages did you install? Does java work in a supported browser? |
| 16:28.51 | Zeeflo | i know.. our shop was running php 5.2.. |
| 16:28.59 | Zeeflo | the new server is running 5.3x |
| 16:29.04 | Zeeflo | now, the shop is dead |
| 16:29.08 | Zeeflo | all i get i Bad SubDomain SQL query. |
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| 16:29.19 | Zeeflo | its caused by php |
| 16:29.21 | Xtreme | babilen, i installed manually. and yes it works on other softwares. |
| 16:29.43 | Xtreme | Zeeflo, whats the problem? |
| 16:29.57 | Xtreme | i mean, why you need a rollback? |
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| 16:30.52 | Zeeflo | Xtreme, cause i know the shop worked with php 5.2 |
| 16:31.02 | babilen | Xtreme: Ok. You can either use supported browsers (there really isn't a difference between iceweasel and firefox apart from the name) or, at least, accept the fact that icedtea installs IcedTeaPlugin.so and not libnpjp2.so |
| 16:31.10 | Zeeflo | so, i guess its easier to roll back then it is to code the whole shop? |
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| 16:32.04 | Xtreme | Zeeflo, you dont have to code everything |
| 16:32.10 | Xtreme | i am a php dev. i can help you with that. |
| 16:32.16 | Xtreme | you can pm me if you like |
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| 16:32.50 | themill | Zeeflo: "prestashop"? I'd be asking them about this problem as you can't be the only one wanting to actually run a supported version of php |
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| 16:34.27 | talsamon | Xtreme, with icedtea if you have you have to set the lin to libjavaplugin.so |
| 16:34.33 | segmentation_fau | babilen, you got an official "thanks" :) https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/multiple-keyboard-layouts-on-lxde-debian-squeeze-4175427984/ |
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| 16:34.58 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Have a nice day and enjoy your working setup -- What did you settle on? |
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| 16:35.09 | segmentation_fau | startx method for now |
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| 16:35.45 | segmentation_fau | I have to study computational theory for monday exams :) |
| 16:36.20 | vipkilla | hi im running debian squeeze VM on xen, im trying to configure a "floating" IP between two servers on eth0:0 eth0:0 initially is pingable from outside on server1 but when i take down eth0:0 on Server1 and do ifup eth0:0 on server2, the IP never becomes pingable again |
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| 16:36.25 | babilen | segmentation_fau: I am quite surprised that this bug has not yet been fixed. I consider it to be pretty invasive and essentially renders gdm3 unusable if you *don't* use a DE that manages the keyboard *as well* |
| 16:36.43 | vipkilla | any ideas? I can pastebn my interfaces if you need it |
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| 16:37.07 | segmentation_fau | well, I always used startx on my machines, so never encountered this before |
| 16:37.19 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: You can't have the same IP on two devices. |
| 16:37.35 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: Well, bonded you can, but not two servers. |
| 16:37.37 | vipkilla | jhutchins_wk: I don't have the same IP on two deviced |
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| 16:38.00 | segmentation_fau | I suppose most debian users stick with gnome |
| 16:38.02 | vipkilla | when server1 takes down eth0:0, server2 puts on eth0:0 so they never have the same IP at the same time |
| 16:38.23 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: It will take time for your router to switch to the new MAC. |
| 16:38.39 | segmentation_fau | babilen, but I switched to blackbox when kde4 was released, and now I use i3 |
| 16:38.41 | vipkilla | jhutchins_wk: hmmm... then how do people accomplish the "floating" IP |
| 16:38.43 | vipkilla | for HA |
| 16:39.23 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: It depends on the router, but there may be a way to refresh it. Possibly sending traffic out from server2? |
| 16:39.31 | vipkilla | i should mention, these are public facing ethernet devices |
| 16:39.51 | babilen | segmentation_fau: Glad we figured it out. |
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| 16:41.51 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: It usually only takes a few minutes - which is forever when your site is down and you're not sure it's coming back up. |
| 16:43.02 | vipkilla | yeah i understand... i've had the interface up for like 30 minutes (testing) and it still hast changed |
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| 16:43.58 | vipkilla | jhutchins_wk: what if you have the same MAC set for eth0:0 on both server1 and server2? |
| 16:44.21 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: Then the switch will see the same MAC on two different ports, right? |
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| 16:44.38 | synamics | help, I have corrupted my ls program |
| 16:44.43 | vipkilla | yeahhh so that would just screw everything up huh? |
| 16:44.44 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: Are you restarting the networking or just bringing up the alias? |
| 16:44.52 | vipkilla | i've down both. |
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| 16:44.55 | vipkilla | *done |
| 16:45.05 | oskie | in windows you have WSUS to manage patches for a set of computers. Is there any equivalent for Debian? |
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| 16:45.32 | themill | oskie: puppet, chef, your own scripts. Depends what you want to do |
| 16:45.33 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: I never really had much trouble with that. You might need to restart the switch/router. |
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| 16:45.59 | synamics | where i download the ls binary again? |
| 16:46.07 | vipkilla | these are debian VMs on XenServer. im not sure but would that make the XenServer the router? |
| 16:46.08 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: I used to work with systems that moved a virtual IP for failover, but while it seemed like forever it wasn't 30 minutes. |
| 16:46.12 | themill | synamics: can you explain what's wrong a bit more? |
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| 16:46.28 | synamics | theborger, man, i corrupt my ls binary |
| 16:46.41 | synamics | themill, $ ls |
| 16:46.41 | synamics | Segmentation fault |
| 16:46.56 | themill | how do you think you did this? |
| 16:47.37 | jhutchins_wk | vipkilla: I'm afraid I'm not familiar with Xen, but I think checking with Xen support would be appropriate. |
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| 16:48.03 | synamics | themill, I was making a link to ls, I don't know whats going wrong |
| 16:48.06 | vipkilla | jhutchins_wk: ok thanks... hey it finally switch :) |
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| 16:48.48 | synamics | themill, my machine is x86_64 architeture, i hope search the binary for it |
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| 16:49.57 | themill | synamics: you could "aptitude reinstall coreutils", it's not obvious to me why or how what you have describe would fix your problem. |
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| 16:50.30 | synamics | themill, thanks I will do that and when it's finish I back |
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| 17:04.16 | asdasd | any ideas how to fix that? tried some packages related to xslfo, but problem still persist |
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| 17:07.45 | bullgard4 | themill: I am aware of that. -- Thank you for commenting. |
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| 17:10.59 | guardian | hi |
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| 17:15.55 | sead0g | hey guys |
| 17:16.07 | sead0g | anyone alive |
| 17:16.22 | synamics | sead0g, what is your problem? |
| 17:16.27 | ahferroin7 | sead0g: ack |
| 17:16.40 | sead0g | this might be out of channel Q |
| 17:16.54 | sead0g | #metasploit :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services |
| 17:16.58 | sead0g | need help on this |
| 17:17.39 | ahferroin7 | sead0g: check the website's info on NickServ |
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| 17:18.03 | boudiccas | so register your nick, whats the problem? |
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| 17:18.25 | serotoni1aeh | hola |
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| 17:18.57 | sead0g | ahferroin7 i tried but nothing on this one http://www.metasploit.com/development/irc-channel/ |
| 17:19.25 | boudiccas | sead0g: you need to reguster with freenode |
| 17:19.29 | ahferroin7 | sead0g: i mean check freenode's website |
| 17:19.41 | sead0g | thank u guys will do check in |
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| 17:21.05 | sead0g | ahferroin7, boudiccas <-- thank u guys |
| 17:21.23 | boudiccas | sead0g: wrong! i'm not a guy, i'm female |
| 17:22.31 | themill | ... |
| 17:23.16 | synamics | sead0g, you have to register with NickServ |
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| 17:24.14 | LtL | sead0g: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml this should help. |
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| 17:25.15 | slacker | ion taking too long to update |
| 17:25.33 | slacker | ios6 * |
| 17:26.00 | babilen | slacker: How exactly is that related to Debian? |
| 17:26.31 | slacker | babilen : nothing but thats what i get for having too many irc open |
| 17:26.41 | babilen | heh :) |
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| 17:38.09 | no_gravity | Hello! Whats an easy way to start a temporary webserver that shares the current directory? Someone mentioned an easy way lately, but I forgot it. |
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| 17:39.42 | babilen | no_gravity: I am particularly fond of: "python -m SimpleHTTPServer" or "python3 -m http.server" |
| 17:40.04 | no_gravity | babilen: yes, but that one is very slow. There is a faster way. |
| 17:40.16 | babilen | no_gravity: Open two? |
| 17:40.18 | babilen | runs |
| 17:40.35 | thewanderer1 | no_gravity: dhttpd |
| 17:41.12 | no_gravity | thewanderer1: seems not to be installed by default on plain debian. |
| 17:41.23 | thewanderer1 | true |
| 17:41.54 | babilen | no_gravity: You want something that is installed by default, is really easy to use, serves CWD and is faster than the python webserver? |
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| 17:44.47 | no_gravity | babilen: found it: twistd -n web --path=. --port=8000 |
| 17:45.19 | babilen | no_gravity: That is most likely not installed by default or is it? |
| 17:45.38 | babilen | twisted! |
| 17:45.48 | no_gravity | babilen: i dont know. its available on my machine. |
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| 17:59.29 | sead0g | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.42 | ekaj | is tempted to ghost |
| 17:59.55 | ekaj | nice password though |
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| 17:59.57 | ekaj | kinda |
| 18:00.18 | jelly-home | ye be wantin to change that password sead0g, arr |
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| 18:00.59 | ekaj | Ehh, this is kinda random, but when a Debian Squeeze box is plugged into power and ethernet, and turned on, is there a way to get it to mail me its IP? |
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| 18:01.42 | ahferroin7 | ekaj: yes, put it in /etc/rc.local |
| 18:01.42 | specing | ekaj: why do you want it to mail its IP? |
| 18:01.56 | specing | Surely your problem has a better solution. |
| 18:02.03 | ekaj | specing: I am gonna give a box to a friend who is going to Chicago, and all I want it for is terminal |
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| 18:02.35 | specing | ekaj: DDNS? |
| 18:02.40 | ekaj | DDNS? |
| 18:02.49 | specing | dynamic DNS |
| 18:03.00 | specing | is much better |
| 18:03.06 | ekaj | let me read about it, or feel free to explain =p |
| 18:03.07 | smj | my ssh got disconnected while I was upgrading the system... I guess I have to run it in screen every time |
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| 18:03.21 | ahferroin7 | ddns means that you need to own a domain name |
| 18:03.42 | babilen | !tell ekaj -about no-ip |
| 18:03.47 | ekaj | Does it have to be paid, or can it be something like a .tk domain? |
| 18:03.53 | somiaj | or you can use no-ip.com or dyndns.com if you want some service to provided you a ddns |
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| 18:04.22 | ekaj | I'll be back in a bit - have to go pick up that computer =p |
| 18:04.23 | smj | anyhow, apt-get and aptitude say that it's still locked, so is the upgrade still running or is it just stuck? |
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| 18:04.50 | somiaj | smj: you can type ps fax (and look for the processes), but my guess is the process died and the lock file is left |
| 18:05.04 | somiaj | smj: did you loose connenction (or it break) during the download or the actual install? |
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| 18:05.31 | smj | the actual install |
| 18:05.46 | smj | there's a dpkg process running |
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| 18:06.20 | somiaj | smj: hopefully it didn't die during a critical part. But in that case I think you may just need to do 'dpkg --configure -a' -- tell dpkg to configure all the packges |
| 18:06.34 | somiaj | smj: my guess is that process is halted or dead (or waiting for user input which it can't get) |
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| 18:07.11 | smj | halted or dead sounds like what htop looks like |
| 18:07.59 | somiaj | you can kill the process (then remove the lock file) and try to reconfigure all your unconfigured packages |
| 18:08.04 | somiaj | again just hope that it didn't break anything. |
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| 18:08.41 | smj | would it be a good idea to run 'upgrade' before 'dist-upgrade'? |
| 18:08.51 | somiaj | smj: on a squeeze or testing system? |
| 18:08.54 | smj | testing |
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| 18:09.11 | somiaj | smj: also since the downloads are done I wouldn't use apt, but try to get dpkg to configure things first |
| 18:09.29 | smj | ok |
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| 18:09.51 | somiaj | smj: yes on a testing system I commonly upgrade then dist-upgrade, because that way I have the smallest amount of packages being changed when it wants to add/remove packages |
| 18:10.09 | somiaj | but in this case, I would fix dpkg and its issues before trying with apt. |
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| 18:11.22 | asturel | any idea? apt-get upgrade http://pastebin.com/KfUbx9xm |
| 18:11.49 | asturel | hmm it was coz i did it by sudo |
| 18:11.53 | somiaj | asturel: echo $PATH |
| 18:12.04 | somiaj | it shouldn't be, sudo should use a very restricted set path |
| 18:12.14 | asturel | it works as root |
| 18:12.15 | somiaj | it could be sudo PATH isn't configured correctly |
| 18:12.24 | somiaj | yea sounds like you have a misconfigured sudo PATH |
| 18:12.43 | asturel | i didnt even know that it is configurable :D |
| 18:12.51 | babilen | !tell asturel -about sudo path |
| 18:13.07 | asturel | thx |
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| 18:13.35 | babilen | asturel: Which Debian release do you track? |
| 18:13.42 | asturel | sid |
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| 18:17.29 | babilen | asturel: yeah, it's most likely that. You might also like to learn about #debian-next on irc.oftc.net which is our support channel specifically for testing/unstable |
| 18:18.12 | asturel | im using debian only for compliing (in virtaulbox) |
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| 18:18.41 | somiaj | what is your main os? |
| 18:18.48 | asturel | windows 7 x64 |
| 18:19.33 | somiaj | ok -- was gonna suggest a sid chroot if it was a linux based distro/os. (: |
| 18:19.40 | asturel | :DD |
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| 18:27.32 | nsadmin | if you're using it only for compiling, how will you run it? |
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| 18:46.23 | Woet | very weird, http://pastebin.com/u2KS25MR works fine while http://pastebin.com/gXiCEgN3 causes network issues (curls/wgets failing) and the server suddenly uses .91 for all traffic - what am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:49.29 | thewanderer1 | Woet: what you're doing wrong is having 2 IP addresses on one interface |
| 18:49.35 | nsadmin | Woet, avoid pastebin.com :) |
| 18:49.39 | Woet | nsadmin: why? |
| 18:49.42 | Woet | thewanderer1: ? |
| 18:50.07 | jhutchins_wk | llimeht_: Are you around? |
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| 18:50.35 | ekaj | Uh... this is most likely a retarded question, but how do I just get the termial-based version of squeeze? |
| 18:50.36 | thewanderer1 | Woet: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:50.43 | nsadmin | well do what you want of course... I just don't like the ads and the flashy thing (technical term from MIB) |
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| 18:50.54 | Woet | thewanderer1: adding my secondary IP |
| 18:50.57 | boudiccas | Woet: you have to jump through too many hoops, captchas and ads on pastebin, whereas if you use dpaste its just plain and simple |
| 18:51.09 | thewanderer1 | Woet: what do you need the "secondary IP" for? |
| 18:51.15 | Woet | thewanderer1: nginx. |
| 18:51.19 | sead0g | drop sead0g seadog@123 |
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| 18:51.54 | nsadmin | seadog, recog-nize |
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| 18:52.09 | sead0g | :) |
| 18:52.12 | jhutchins_wk | My kaddressbook can't connect to the akonadi server |
| 18:52.12 | thewanderer1 | Woet: so you'll need to adjust routing properly - most importantly, by removing the "gateway" stanza from the eth0:1 alias |
| 18:52.29 | Woet | thewanderer1: I added that to troubleshoot, original was without it - same problem. |
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| 18:52.43 | nsadmin | since you're dropping the nick anyway, seems cool... but now, never use pws of that form any more :) |
| 18:52.56 | tremon | ekaj: don't install any desktop tasl |
| 18:52.59 | tremon | s/tasl/task/ |
| 18:53.03 | jhutchins_wk | "Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface... |
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| 18:53.17 | thewanderer1 | Woet: you should only have one gateway, and the system will not use the other interface for outgoing connections |
| 18:53.37 | ekaj | tremon: I can just download the ISO from the site then? (I don't know if Squeeze comes with GUI by default or not, I haven't used Debian much) |
| 18:54.12 | tremon | ekaj: the netinstall cd is preferred, especially for minimal installs |
| 18:54.23 | ekaj | okie dokie, thank you |
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| 18:55.21 | tremon | Woet: the outputs of ip addr show and ip route show in both situations might help... |
| 18:55.36 | nsadmin | ekaj, debian (and squeez therefore) are based on packages... gui is just somethjing you can install, or not... and it's always available on the mirrors |
| 18:55.39 | otkrick | good day, guys. how to compile bind9 with option --with-fixed-rrset in squeeze? (is it possible using apt-get source?) |
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| 18:56.14 | nkuttler | !tell otkrick about package recompile |
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| 18:56.48 | nsadmin | otkrick, mkdir bind9-wrk ; cd bind0-wrk ; apt-get source bind9, |
| 18:57.02 | multi_io | who starts dhclient on Debian? |
| 18:57.08 | nsadmin | then cd into the dir it makes, and then look at debian/rules |
| 18:57.11 | multi_io | ifup? |
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| 18:57.38 | nsadmin | multi_io, yes, if it's in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:57.41 | multi_io | I can't find an init script nor an /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 18:57.44 | multi_io | ..script |
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| 18:57.54 | multi_io | nsadmin: hm, ok |
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| 18:58.13 | nsadmin | look at that file... does it say iface something inet dhcp? |
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| 18:58.45 | otkrick | nsadmin: hm.. and what about compiling option? where is it? |
| 18:58.46 | multi_io | nsadmin: I just removed all dhcp config entries from /etc/network/interfaces and switched to static IPs |
| 18:59.13 | multi_io | nsadmin: am I supposed to kill the dhclient process manually now? |
| 18:59.30 | nsadmin | otkrick, you'd have to look for the ./configure invocation |
| 18:59.50 | nsadmin | which is probably in debian/rules |
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| 19:00.20 | otkrick | nsadmin: thank you for your help |
| 19:00.21 | nsadmin | multi_io, well you needed to ifdown before altering the interfaces file... |
| 19:00.41 | nsadmin | so yeah, you probably need to kill off dhclient |
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| 19:01.34 | nsadmin | otkrick, once you find it, you can add the option, build the package and install it |
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| 19:15.51 | emilsedgh | hey guys. today i updated my nvidia-glx (and friends) package. Now, wine could not do directx anymore. i have libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32 and libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 and nvidia-glx-ia32 installed on latest versions. |
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| 19:16.29 | emilsedgh | however, apparently i need ia32-libs as well. i have an older version installed, but i cannot install newer versions. |
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| 19:16.52 | thewanderer1 | emilsedgh: are you on squeeze or wheezy? |
| 19:16.58 | emilsedgh | it says: ia32-libs-i386:i386 : Depends: libjack0:i386 (>= 1:0.118+svn3796-7) but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:17.02 | emilsedgh | im on sid. |
| 19:17.21 | thewanderer1 | emilsedgh: first, have you got multi-arch enabled? |
| 19:17.32 | emilsedgh | i think so, yes, how can i make sure? |
| 19:17.44 | thewanderer1 | did you dpkg --add-architectue i386? |
| 19:18.05 | thewanderer1 | (if you apt-get update, you would see i386 in the list) |
| 19:18.20 | emilsedgh | i think i have done that ages ago, but im not sure, let me apt-get update. |
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| 19:18.36 | emilsedgh | yes it is enabled. |
| 19:18.52 | jhutchins_wk | Is there a tool that will "use" a specified amount of memory for load testing? |
| 19:18.58 | thewanderer1 | emilsedgh: is your wine i386? |
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| 19:19.15 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: python? |
| 19:19.40 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: Not a clue. |
| 19:19.49 | thewanderer1 | write one in C... |
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| 19:20.12 | jhutchins_wk | jordanm: Moderate bash, cobol77, system360 assembler, RPG II... |
| 19:20.27 | emilsedgh | thewanderer1: no its amd64. |
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| 19:20.44 | thewanderer1 | emilsedgh: there is no more amd64 wine in Wheezy/Sid, you're doing something wrong... |
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| 19:20.53 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: in C, you would probably just need a single malloc() call |
| 19:21.02 | emilsedgh | thewanderer1: oh yes, i have wine installed from their own repository. |
| 19:21.10 | thewanderer1 | emilsedgh: there you go |
| 19:21.41 | emilsedgh | ok, so i should remove wine-unstable? |
| 19:21.43 | thewanderer1 | emilsedgh: the Wine in Debian Wheezy/Sid is actually pretty decent, I manage to play Dawn of War on it without any glitches |
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| 19:21.49 | thewanderer1 | yes |
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| 19:22.50 | erjk | Hi. I am using Debian amd64. I need to install libasound2-plugins:i386. I have 64bit version of libasound2-plugins already installed. When I try to install 32bit version using aptitude, there appear conflicts between already installed 64bit and 32bit versions of some dependecies. Is there a way to solve it? It appears I really need this package. When using foobar2000 under wine, I hear cracks all the time. |
| 19:22.50 | emilsedgh | thewanderer1: Debian's wine is usually pretty old. and i had no issues with it. today i updated nvidia-glx which had a bugfix for chromium and wine broken :p |
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| 19:23.01 | emilsedgh | thewanderer1: thanks for your help. i will try using debian's wine now. |
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| 19:24.17 | thewanderer1 | then, get libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32, and wine:i386 should run quite happily with it |
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| 19:25.34 | emilsedgh | uh uh no apt tried to do stupid things when i asked it to install wine:i386 |
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| 19:26.03 | emilsedgh | hundreds of upgrades and removals, and removing libc-bin. |
| 19:26.42 | thewanderer1 | something is very wrong there |
| 19:26.54 | thewanderer1 | are you mixing squeeze and sid? O.o |
| 19:27.52 | emilsedgh | no. just sid and experimental. |
| 19:27.54 | emilsedgh | :D |
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| 19:28.18 | thewanderer1 | perhaps it works better in wheezy... |
| 19:28.29 | emilsedgh | how about me doing an apt-get upgrade before continue. |
| 19:28.35 | thewanderer1 | good idea |
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| 19:36.42 | emilsedgh | thewanderer1: pardon me, updating apt and dpkg helped. now, when i try installing wine it wants to install a huge load of new packages (i386 ones). is that normal? |
| 19:36.47 | otkrick | nsadmin: "apt-get source bind9" downloaded three files. is it normal? |
| 19:37.38 | i0x71 | hey, anyone remember whats that minimalistic shell is called, its used on openwrt, dd-wrt, android |
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| 19:38.26 | abrotman | i0x71: dash ? |
| 19:38.35 | i0x71 | abrotman: |
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| 19:38.39 | abrotman | i0x71: |
| 19:38.40 | i0x71 | nope, its something else |
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| 19:38.49 | abrotman | i0x71: apt-cache search minimal shell ? |
| 19:38.49 | thewanderer1 | emilsedgh: yes |
| 19:38.56 | blubberdiblub | i0x71, ash, as far as i know |
| 19:39.04 | emilsedgh | thewanderer1: ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 19:39.06 | specing | i0x71: busybox ash |
| 19:39.10 | i0x71 | abrotman: busybox |
| 19:39.12 | i0x71 | thats it |
| 19:39.18 | abrotman | not really a 'shell', but okay! |
| 19:39.24 | specing | its a shell |
| 19:39.30 | specing | busybox's ash |
| 19:39.49 | abrotman | specing: busybox is not a *shell* |
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| 19:40.20 | specing | slaps abrotman around with an unhappy tree |
| 19:40.39 | abrotman | still not a shell |
| 19:40.44 | specing | type in $ busybox ash |
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| 19:40.51 | specing | enjoy. |
| 19:41.11 | specing | it is very much a shell |
| 19:41.27 | abrotman | lets specing be wrong .. good luck |
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| 19:42.00 | erjk | Hi. I am using Debian amd64. I need to install libasound2-plugins:i386. I have 64bit version of libasound2-plugins already installed. When I try to install 32bit version using aptitude, there appear conflicts between already installed 64bit and 32bit versions of some dependecies. Is there a way to solve it? It appears I really need this package. When using foobar2000 under wine, I hear cracks all the time. |
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| 19:46.00 | gnarface | erjk: i've got two answers for you. they're not my answers, but they are the answers, whether we like them or not. 1) nobody gives a shit about wine support in debian except you and i. 2) multiarch support is broken currently and its likely that patience is your only hope, and its a slim hope at that. |
| 19:46.14 | specing | abrotman: suit yourself. |
| 19:46.26 | abrotman | specing: try reading the man page |
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| 19:47.14 | abrotman | foobar2000 ? |
| 19:47.28 | blubberdiblub | is a music player |
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| 19:47.38 | abrotman | i thought it was a vague app! |
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| 19:48.08 | nkuttler | likes quodlibet |
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| 19:48.37 | gnarface | erjk: fyi there is a wine-unstable package in SiD that works if you can make due with 1.5.6 |
| 19:48.57 | blubberdiblub | yup, erjk could simply use a native music player and be done with it |
| 19:49.13 | nkuttler | why on earth would anybody use wine to run an audio player? |
| 19:49.23 | blubberdiblub | who knows |
| 19:49.29 | gnarface | wasn't gonna get into that part |
| 19:50.03 | abrotman | that sounds like a skipping adventure :) |
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| 19:50.22 | syslq_ | nkuttler: agree :) |
| 19:50.25 | ompaul | specing: eh this doesn't agree with your reality, http://www.busybox.net/about.html perhaps when you have read it you should file a bug against that page. ;-) |
| 19:51.50 | specing | busybox is a shell embedded in busybox... and how does this disagree with me? |
| 19:51.51 | blubberdiblub | well, the answer was ash. busybox _includes_ (a version of) ash (and thus a shell), but isn't one |
| 19:51.54 | erjk | blubberdiblub, There is no native music player that fits my needs. |
| 19:52.03 | abrotman | specing: you mean ash is a utility in the busybox binary ? |
| 19:52.22 | erjk | gnarface, You mean installing wine-unstable from sid? |
| 19:52.31 | specing | abrotman: you mean /bin/dash and /bin/bash are also utilities? |
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| 19:52.46 | abrotman | goes back to letting specing be clueless |
| 19:53.05 | ompaul | specing: it is not a shell, it is a toolbox. It contains many shell like attributes. |
| 19:54.11 | specing | does a shell have to be a standalone binary to qualify as such? |
| 19:54.57 | blubberdiblub | an apple tree has apples, but it's not an apple itself. likewise, busybox has a shell, but isn't one itself |
| 19:54.57 | ompaul | ime yes |
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| 19:57.26 | specing | wikipedia: "Operating system shells generally fall into one of two categories: command-line and graphical. Command-line shells provide a command-line interface (CLI) to the operating system...In either category the primary purpose of the shell is to invoke or "launch" another program; however, shells frequently have additional capabilities such as viewing the contents of directories." |
| 19:57.51 | specing | there: ash gives me a cli and lets me do stuff |
| 19:57.55 | specing | its a shell. |
| 19:58.08 | blubberdiblub | busybox isn't ash, busybox includes ash |
| 19:59.01 | specing | still doesen't change the fact that it lets me do stuff. |
| 19:59.02 | ompaul | debian isn't a shell, but it contains several |
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| 19:59.32 | ompaul | specing: never said it didn't, it is as I said a toolbox, therefore by implication it does allow you do things. |
| 19:59.56 | ompaul | specing: step away from the nits, allow them to pick themselves |
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| 20:04.34 | Mjbmr | Hello, why perlapi doesn't exist in debian repos? |
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| 20:05.14 | ompaul | Mjbmr: type this please apt-cache search perlapi |
| 20:05.39 | Mjbmr | libperl-apireference-perl - Perl module to programmatically query the perlapi |
| 20:05.40 | Mjbmr | perl-base - minimal Perl system |
| 20:06.06 | Mjbmr | see this: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=perlapi |
| 20:06.32 | Mjbmr | Package perlapi-5.14.2 is a virtual package provided by: |
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| 20:07.13 | ompaul | Mjbmr: Packages providing perlapi-5.10.0. perl-base: minimal Perl system |
| 20:07.41 | jhutchins_wk | Maybe I should reboot the workstation and see if I can get akonadi working. |
| 20:08.05 | Mjbmr | Package perlapi-5.10.0 is a virtual package provided by: |
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| 20:08.10 | Mjbmr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:08.44 | Rockj | Q: request-tracker4 in backprots, any reasons for why it is missing required libraries to install it? |
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| 20:09.25 | erjk | gnarface, I have installed wine 1.5.5 from sid, but the problem still exists. Will it be any easier now install this libasound2-plugins:i386? |
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| 20:10.41 | gnarface | erjk: sorry no. my assumption was merely that if you didn't need to compile wine yourself you wouldn't need libasound2-plugins:i386. |
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| 20:11.52 | gnarface | erjk: if you're desperate to do this, and you have plenty of free disk space, you could consider making a i386-only chroot install just for this purpose. its a pain in the ass, i know. are you even sure that will fix the problem? crackly audio is usually an alsa driver/configuration problem |
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| 20:12.59 | Mjbmr | nvm |
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| 20:13.11 | ompaul | ,versions perls-base |
| 20:13.12 | judd | No package named 'perls-base' was found in i386. |
| 20:13.15 | ompaul | ,versions perl-base |
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| 20:14.19 | mj_ | hi all! |
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| 20:14.35 | mj_ | hi all! need help :D as always i think ))) well, do someone know, do kde or gnome store information about connected usb devices? or all of it in /var/log/dmesg and syslog? |
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| 20:15.44 | erjk | gnarface, I have no idea what chroot is. I am quite sure it's this. If I play audio in VLC it plays alright. It's a wine problem. I was running foobar2000 udner wine for a long time without problems. First on Debian, then on Fedora. I've just came back to Debian yesterday. When I was doing it before, wine wasn't multiarch and I think that's why it worked before. |
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| 20:16.19 | gnarface | erjk: lots of stuff is broken because multiarch is broken |
| 20:16.33 | zinx | it is? o_O |
| 20:16.40 | erjk | Do they plan to fix it in the near future? |
| 20:16.43 | gnarface | zinx: (in wine) |
| 20:16.46 | zinx | wine works fine for me |
| 20:17.12 | gnarface | erjk: i wouldn't hold your breath. the nvidia drivers have been broken for me for a month at least |
| 20:17.31 | zinx | nVidia's drivers aren't packaged for multiarch |
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| 20:17.54 | erjk | gnarface, Do you know what this libasound2-plugins package really do? Maybe I would remove 64bit version and just have 32bit one. |
| 20:17.56 | gnarface | zinx: they also leak |
| 20:18.19 | zinx | you can copy the needed .so's to /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ |
| 20:18.24 | gnarface | erjk: i was under the impression it was for audio transcoding but i don't really know |
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| 20:20.28 | erjk | Fuck. This was the reason I changed Debian for Fedora few months ago. There were always some problems. Mostly with fglrx, but only. I didn't like Fedora, so I decided to come back and... problems : ). |
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| 20:22.10 | meyou | it's tough all over erjk :D |
| 20:22.30 | ompaul | points erjk to the shop of intel cards |
| 20:22.41 | ompaul | sad but true the rest of them are a pain |
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| 20:23.59 | erjk | ompaul, If I had a chance to do it again, I would never buy Radeon again. |
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| 20:24.27 | zinx | Intel's cards are 10 years behind |
| 20:24.42 | gnarface | at least |
| 20:24.50 | abrotman | zinx: the OSS drivers? |
| 20:24.56 | zinx | abrotman: the /hardware/ |
| 20:25.03 | abrotman | who cares .. buy a PS3 .. |
| 20:25.06 | zinx | ... |
| 20:25.14 | gnarface | the new nintendos come out in november |
| 20:25.15 | abrotman | it's not worth the frustration of nvidia or fglrx |
| 20:25.19 | gnarface | course they're already sold out... |
| 20:25.28 | zinx | abrotman: for you, i guess |
| 20:25.36 | abrotman | Remember when Matrox was the savior? :) |
| 20:25.44 | abrotman | GMA400s for all! |
| 20:25.47 | gnarface | abrotman: yea i remember that month |
| 20:25.52 | zinx | abrotman: nothing is worth putting up with sub-par controls, for me :/ |
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| 20:26.00 | zinx | abrotman: and games i can't modify |
| 20:26.08 | abrotman | zinx: i have a PS3? |
| 20:26.18 | abrotman | oh, i porefer console games anyway |
| 20:26.34 | zinx | abrotman: surprise, everyone is different ;P |
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| 20:29.36 | pozic__ | How is it possible that I cannot change the owner of a file if I am the owner of that file? |
| 20:29.54 | gnarface | you can't change it to an owner you're not |
| 20:30.17 | pozic__ | I see I makde a mistake. |
| 20:30.33 | pozic__ | And apparently another one. Sorry for the noise. |
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| 20:38.01 | abrotman | zinx: that's your problem :) |
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| 20:40.03 | bamotarp | gentoo.de fascist? |
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| 20:41.09 | TheWarden | Hi |
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| 20:41.32 | TheWarden | with LXDE how do you add an application at startup? In Gnome there was Startup Applications. |
| 20:41.47 | gnarface | TheWarden: put it in your .xinitrc |
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| 20:44.59 | Azureus777 | Hello all! I need help with setting up debian, can someone please help me? |
| 20:45.00 | TheWarden | I did find lxsession-edit but it doesn't allow me to add a new startup application. |
| 20:45.14 | format_c | Azureus777, just ask |
| 20:45.15 | TheWarden | gnarface: oh okay, where is that file suppose to be located? |
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| 20:45.55 | Azureus777 | ok, i have debian server installed and running right now on my virtual machine, i want to install tor and run it how can i do this? |
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| 20:46.20 | gnarface | TheWarden: sorry ~/.xinitrc; i thought that was implied |
| 20:47.24 | gnarface | TheWarden: files beginning with "." that reside in your home directory is the standard naming convention for user-specific configuration files |
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| 20:47.52 | gnarface | TheWarden: ls does not list them by default. you have to use -a |
| 20:48.04 | TheWarden | gnarface: well I figured as much but wanted to make sure. So this would work for the X session, once logged in it would start the application? |
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| 20:48.47 | TheWarden | gnarface: I thought . files meant they are hidden and can be located any where on the file system. Now if you had ~ that would assume /home/user_folder |
| 20:48.51 | gnarface | TheWarden: its a bash script like any other. just make sure the last command is your window manager |
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| 20:51.05 | TheWarden | gnarface: unless I'm not understanding according to this that I just found http://wiki.debian.org/Xinitrc I'm suppose to use ~/.xsession |
| 20:51.49 | gnarface | TheWarden: it will only make a difference if you use a graphical login manager |
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| 20:52.10 | gnarface | TheWarden: (which i don't so i am only speculating) |
| 20:52.12 | bizhanMona | Hi how to find out the list of the packages installed on the system? |
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| 20:52.42 | gnarface | bizhanMona: dpkg -l |
| 20:52.53 | bizhanMona | thx |
| 20:52.57 | wilee-nilee | bizhanMona, This command will make a list of installed. dpkg --get-selections > installed-software |
| 20:53.20 | TheWarden | gnarface: yeah in my case I'm using gdm3 and after X login I want to auto start some applications. How is the .xsession formated? Trying to find the details on this file but nothing so far. |
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| 20:53.42 | synamics | people |
| 20:53.45 | gnarface | TheWarden: i'm assuming its executed like a shell script as well. i don't really know |
| 20:53.52 | Azureus777 | hi! My problem is i want to run tor on debian server(not GUI version) and run python scripts in order to access web, so i need it to run through TOR, please can you help me to setup? |
| 20:53.53 | synamics | who has an Core i5 2410M, and it's video card? |
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| 20:54.46 | bizhanMona | How do I get the license version of the installed packages? |
| 20:54.49 | gnarface | TheWarden: that means you would end the line with & if its a program you still want to be running when the window manager starts |
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| 20:55.57 | gnarface | bizhanMona: its in /usr/share/doc/[package name]/copyright i think |
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| 20:56.45 | bizhanMona | gnarface: is any option with dpkg to extract that, I am hoping an automated way to do this? Thx |
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| 20:57.09 | gnarface | bizhanMona: no idea |
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| 20:58.09 | bizhanMona | gnarface; Thx, one last question if is there a way to NOT have the docs to be installed with each package? |
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| 20:59.56 | gnarface | bizhanMona: i don't know that either, sorry |
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| 21:00.45 | TheWarden | What package is best to use for a VNC Server? |
| 21:01.35 | synamics | who has a Core i5 2410M and it's video card? |
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| 21:09.39 | qw12 | i accidentally change the permissions of many directories in / |
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| 21:10.32 | qw12 | i accidentally change the ownership of many directories in / to nonroot, is there a way to fix them ? does /lib have any permissions other than root:root ? I see that /dev or /proc for example has some non-root ones |
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| 21:17.58 | bhasker | I am going round and round on pastebin for debian |
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| 21:18.31 | ^Shad0w^ | what debian image do I want for x86_64 ? |
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| 21:18.50 | ahferroin7 | ^ShadOw^: amd64 |
| 21:18.57 | ^Shad0w^ | ahferroin7: thanks |
| 21:19.28 | bhasker | what is the defauly expiry value for paste.debian.net ? anyone ? |
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| 21:20.55 | synamics | bhasker, 666 days... |
| 21:22.10 | bhasker | synamics: This website says it is max 7 days |
| 21:22.21 | bhasker | synamics: http://paste.debian.net/rpc-interface.html |
| 21:22.22 | synamics | bhasker, xP |
| 21:22.35 | synamics | some use Core i5 2410M and it's video card? |
| 21:23.06 | ^Shad0w^ | ouch snuff lol |
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| 21:23.17 | ^Shad0w^ | oh wait |
| 21:23.21 | ^Shad0w^ | lol |
| 21:23.24 | ^Shad0w^ | nevermind |
| 21:23.32 | Otkrick | squeeze, bind, rrset. Please, help me (http://pastebin.com/0MWcp4R1) |
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| 21:28.43 | awc737 | is there a beautiful panel like SolusVM compatible with Debian? or anything for hosting VM? |
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| 21:30.12 | abrotman | awc737: /msg dpkg free whcp |
| 21:30.51 | awc737 | whcp? |
| 21:31.06 | abrotman | Web Hosting Control Panel |
| 21:31.27 | abrotman | awc737: is that not what you were looking for? |
| 21:31.48 | awc737 | oh yeah sorry I didn't realize I should copy paste that |
| 21:31.49 | abrotman | awc737: oh, VM .. hrm, we hve the stuff for vbox and libvirt ? |
| 21:31.51 | awc737 | hehe don't use Webmin |
| 21:32.06 | abrotman | not sure what SolusVM is |
| 21:32.14 | awc737 | solusvm is for managing virtual machines |
| 21:32.35 | thewanderer1 | awc737: apt-get install virt-manager |
| 21:32.36 | abrotman | not sure what makes it 'beautiful' |
| 21:32.38 | awc737 | more than what webmin or ispconfig does though |
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| 21:33.09 | bhasker | anyone has got magnetometer based on lsm303dlh working on debian ? I have got the accelerometer working but lsm303dlh has magnetometer too |
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| 21:33.53 | awc737 | it has a nice clean interface abrotman |
| 21:33.54 | awc737 | https://www.enzu.com/images/Portal.PNG |
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| 21:34.29 | awc737 | virt-manager is for managing my vm remotely right? |
| 21:34.29 | abrotman | awc737: ah, a web interface for managing VMs ? |
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| 21:34.41 | awc737 | yeah exactly, I guess I should have said administering VM's? |
| 21:35.16 | abrotman | "web interface for managing VMs" |
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| 21:35.54 | awc737 | that's a good way to put it :) |
| 21:36.06 | awc737 | if you scroll down a bit, you can see it's functionality abrotman: http://www.webtuga.pt/software/solusvm |
| 21:36.14 | abrotman | awc737: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Management_Tools .. start there perhaps ? |
| 21:36.20 | abrotman | i don' tknow if any are packaged for Debian though |
| 21:36.20 | awc737 | or hell I don't know why I wouldn't just link their home page http://www.solusvm.com/ |
| 21:36.54 | awc737 | but in the forum it's pretty lame the reasons they claim for not supporting Deb http://forum.soluslabs.com/showthread.php/314-SolusVM-for-Debian-possible/page2 |
| 21:38.08 | abrotman | awc737: there aren't really any reasons |
| 21:38.44 | awc737 | "double the cost" "security", security is a non issue, and is it really that different, to modify the packaging |
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| 21:38.50 | awc737 | non issue IMO |
| 21:39.13 | abrotman | if the paying customers aren' thappy, they'd go somewhere else one owuld think |
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| 21:42.31 | awc737 | it's a really nice panel |
| 21:42.47 | awc737 | and it's only like $2 a month. I just think they should add Deb lol |
| 21:43.06 | npx | you can upgrade to debian from ubuntu |
| 21:43.14 | abrotman | you cannot |
| 21:43.24 | awc737 | lol |
| 21:43.26 | npx | it's not like a legitimately supported thing but i've done it and it worked |
| 21:43.34 | abrotman | 'worked' |
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| 21:43.40 | awc737 | it sounds backward |
| 21:43.48 | nate_h | if I have a package that has deps which i want to feed a preseed into |
| 21:43.52 | nate_h | how does that work? |
| 21:44.03 | nate_h | will the options I feed into the first package get used by the deps? |
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| 21:44.39 | npx | abrotman, if nothing else you can debootstrap into a loopback partition and then completely overwrite ubuntu ;) very thorough! |
| 21:45.01 | abrotman | npx: that's different than what you originally suggested |
| 21:45.13 | npx | i know, just throwing it out there |
| 21:45.17 | awc737 | is either xen or kvm generally preferred here? |
| 21:45.28 | nate_h | awc737, i prefer kvm |
| 21:45.37 | awc737 | ok cool |
| 21:45.41 | nate_h | but i'd read up on it |
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| 21:46.02 | gnarface | i still prefer vservers |
| 21:46.07 | awc737 | since you just popped in nate_h, do you know of any nice debian panel, close to http://www.solusvm.com/ ? |
| 21:47.31 | abrotman | awc737: you'd probably do better to ask the #kvm folks |
| 21:47.40 | abrotman | awc737: asssuming thi sis going on top of KVM |
| 21:47.54 | awc737 | yeah ok, good idea |
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| 21:52.41 | Otkrick | no ideas about http://pastebin.com/0MWcp4R1 ? |
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| 21:54.38 | abrotman | Otkrick: can you check the binary to ensure it has that option enabled? |
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| 21:56.07 | Otkrick | abrotman: how it can be done? I wrote that named -R prints complied with option --with-fixed-rrset |
| 21:56.08 | seravitae | hello, i am trying to build zfsonlinux packages. `make deb` yeidls an error saying to install the package for my distro that provides dpkg-buildpackage. yet if i type `which dpkg-buildpackage` i get /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage .. so... |
| 21:56.21 | abrotman | Otkrick: i'd say that's good enough |
| 21:56.41 | abrotman | Otkrick: if oyu use the other method, does it work ? |
| 21:57.04 | abrotman | Otkrick: and there is a #bind that might know more about that feature |
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| 21:57.42 | Otkrick | abrotman: sorry, what other method? *#bind is sleeping |
| 21:58.14 | abrotman | Otkrick: your paste mentions rrset=fixed |
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| 21:58.54 | TheWarden | gnarface: thanks for the help, I got my startup applications running just fine now. |
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| 21:59.11 | gnarface | TheWarden: no problem |
| 21:59.26 | TheWarden | My next issue is this, I want to have vnc server running. I have tightvncserver installed following these instructions http://www.vandorp.biz/2012/01/installing-a-lightweight-lxdevnc-desktop-environment-on-your-ubuntudebian-vps/ |
| 21:59.30 | TheWarden | as I'm using LXDE. |
| 21:59.33 | TheWarden | However its not working. |
| 21:59.43 | Otkrick | abrotman: other methods (cyclic, random) works fine (and without recompilation too) |
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| 21:59.56 | TheWarden | I have vnc server running the process that is but when I try to connect to it it doesn't connect let alone prompt for the password. |
| 22:00.17 | TheWarden | Is there some other trick to getting VNC server running with LXDE? |
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| 22:00.54 | TheWarden | keep in mind I want to be able to connect to the system to view the current session. |
| 22:01.00 | gnarface | TheWarden: hmm. i can't tell what's going wrong. maybe a bug in your version? are you on wheezy? |
| 22:01.13 | TheWarden | gnarface: I'm using Squeeze |
| 22:01.38 | gnarface | TheWarden: i got nothing |
| 22:01.45 | abrotman | Otkrick: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516934 .. that's a bummer |
| 22:01.50 | TheWarden | I have tightvncserver 1.3.9 |
| 22:02.33 | TheWarden | mmm I thought this would been easy |
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| 22:02.51 | gnarface | TheWarden: well its worth checking the bug tracker for anything outstanding on that package, but those instructions DO make it look easy. this suggests you've made a minor mistake somewhere |
| 22:02.55 | Otkrick | abrotman: thx, but bind9.6+ needs '--with-fixed-rrset' |
| 22:03.25 | abrotman | Otkrick: i'd really wait for #bind .. it seems to me like you've done everything correctly |
| 22:03.39 | gnarface | TheWarden: maybe you need to run "xhost +" or something? |
| 22:03.58 | abrotman | Otkrick: or ask again in an hour or so, see if someone else has a bright idea |
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| 22:05.14 | Otkrick | abrotman: can you show your return of "dig test.outcase.ru @5.63.159.108" and "dig test.outcase.ru @5.63.159.109"? |
| 22:05.25 | abrotman | Otkrick: moment |
| 22:06.20 | abrotman | Otkrick: http://paste.debian.net/191031/ |
| 22:06.24 | abrotman | Otkrick: both in there |
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| 22:07.54 | Otkrick | abrotman: looks like a bug.. big thank you for your help!! |
| 22:08.03 | abrotman | Otkrick: good luck |
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| 22:11.01 | TheWarden | gnarface: I tried xhost + and it didn't make any difference. |
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| 22:13.45 | gnarface | TheWarden: yea that's probably only for X11 forwarding |
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| 22:21.55 | TheWarden | argh |
| 22:22.07 | gnarface | firewall? |
| 22:23.12 | awc737 | for free whcp, why does dpkg say 'don't use webmin' ? |
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| 22:23.32 | gnarface | cause webmin is harmful |
| 22:23.35 | gnarface | its malware |
| 22:23.40 | abrotman | gnarface: ... |
| 22:24.01 | abrotman | awc737: webmin has a bad track record in terms of security and how it manages your system |
| 22:24.35 | awc737 | oh ok good to know. I felt it was the easiest to use, but I'll stay away then |
| 22:24.55 | awc737 | other than that, is ispconfig probably the best on the list? |
| 22:25.18 | gnarface | wouldn't recommend using web-based tools for system administration at all |
| 22:25.33 | awc737 | hm |
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| 22:25.43 | awc737 | what if you have clients ***gnarface? |
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| 22:26.28 | gnarface | then i'd keep backups |
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| 22:26.59 | ahferroin7 | only way web based admin is safe is if it's restricted to the loopback interface |
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| 22:27.22 | daemonkeeper | Only way a web based administration interface is safe is not to use it at all. |
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| 22:27.41 | awc737 | what about vm interfaces? |
| 22:28.12 | gnarface | what about them? they're a good idea to use, especially for jailing insecure web interfaces |
| 22:28.15 | awc737 | like http://www.proxmox.com |
| 22:28.19 | awc737 | ok |
| 22:28.35 | gnarface | don't run one on the host machine though or you don't make it any better |
| 22:28.36 | awc737 | i meant vm web interfaces |
| 22:28.48 | gnarface | yea, wouldn't touch that either |
| 22:28.53 | daemonkeeper | It's not primarily about the tool stack. That may be insecure or not, that's not the point. Problem is, they mess in configuration files, grant permissions to people which shouldn't allowed to make such things and are primarily used by people who don't know how to *really* configure a daemon (which is bad, obviously) |
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| 22:29.34 | awc737 | a lot of hosts need to vm to administer to clients though |
| 22:29.47 | awc737 | i mean need a web interface for VPS to administer them to clients |
| 22:29.52 | gnarface | i agree with daemonkeeper but i'd go one further and say its not just that but when it really comes down to it they make a mess. you don't want a mess. you want a simple, easy to administer server, and you think that won't be the text-only command-line, but you're wrong. |
| 22:30.14 | gnarface | awc737: lots of hosts do lots of shit really wrong |
| 22:30.34 | gnarface | awc737: don't get server mentoring from shitty 5$/month virtual host farms |
| 22:30.50 | TheWarden | gnarface: no firewall installed this is all within a LAN at the moment |
| 22:30.55 | daemonkeeper | (and don't become a shitty 5$/month webspace provider) |
| 22:31.20 | awc737 | $5 is not really cheap for a small amount of shared hosting... |
| 22:31.36 | awc737 | but alot of clients would like to have a VPS web interface? to at least install OS right? |
| 22:31.37 | daemonkeeper | Shared hosting is dead. |
| 22:31.39 | alfauser | Q |
| 22:31.40 | daemonkeeper | No, really. |
| 22:31.44 | alfauser | exit |
| 22:31.46 | awc737 | lol shared hosting is dead |
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| 22:32.18 | daemonkeeper | People use virtualized servers today. That's of course even worse, but at least stuff is properly isolated. |
| 22:32.21 | awc737 | how is shared hosting dead |
| 22:32.42 | awc737 | virtualized servers is bad? |
| 22:33.14 | abrotman | for performance |
| 22:33.15 | daemonkeeper | Virtualization is good. Getting random clueless people root access to virtual servers is. |
| 22:33.22 | daemonkeeper | + bad |
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| 22:33.46 | daemonkeeper | But sadly, everyone thinks to need a server these days, getting me and everyone else lots of work. |
| 22:34.04 | daemonkeeper | Because of rooted boxes ddosing me, or sending me spam. |
| 22:34.06 | awc737 | thats good then |
| 22:34.14 | awc737 | oh |
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| 22:34.33 | abrotman | spams daemonkeeper |
| 22:34.44 | daemonkeeper | bad abrotman. bad, bad, bad :p |
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| 22:36.07 | Otkrick | abrotman: all bugs in my brain.. i've founded mistake |
| 22:36.18 | abrotman | Otkrick: good to hear |
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| 22:39.08 | Otkrick | abrotman: good to hear that i have problems with my mind? )) I must use both options at the same time: "--with-fixed-rrset" and "-enable-fixed-rrset", bug-message helps me |
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| 22:39.36 | abrotman | makes uh .. perfect sense? :) |
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| 22:41.11 | Otkrick | abrotman: m? rephrase please |
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| 22:42.30 | abrotman | Otkrick: nevermind, just seems like one of those options would be enough |
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| 22:54.55 | canurabus | hi. im trying to create a usb-bootable iso for another distro using 'isohybrid'... but i dont see any such package on debian stable. has anyone done this before? |
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| 22:58.15 | nsadmin | canurabus, the only thing I can suggest is to look at whatever makes debian's isos... maybe it's documented even |
| 22:58.40 | abrotman | apt-cache search iso hybrid |
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| 23:01.56 | awc737 | I've decided I don't have the HDD space for proper virtualization (60gb), but is it possible to create different... web instances? |
| 23:02.09 | awc737 | for example, I'd like to install apache2 in one, and nginx in another |
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| 23:03.43 | canurabus | abrotman, nsadmin think i found it... its part of syslinux-common |
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| 23:07.48 | nvz | awc737: you want to run two webservers on one install both using port 80 in other words? |
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| 23:08.05 | awc737 | yeah basically... |
| 23:08.12 | awc737 | i guess I Need vm for my case? |
| 23:08.16 | erkan^ | hello, can someone help me --> DEB Driver: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1215810/ ? |
| 23:08.18 | erkan^ | for Lucid |
| 23:08.50 | nvz | awc737: that could be done either in your router and not physically running them on port 80 but having port 80 of one ip go to the actual port 80 and the port 80 of another ip go to say a diff port the other webserver is running on, or you can just do it on the machine itself by having two IPs on one machine |
| 23:09.22 | nvz | awc737: and just binding the one server to one iface/ip and the other to another iface/ip |
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| 23:09.45 | themill | erkan^: you were in the right place when you asked in #ubuntu. |
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| 23:10.59 | nvz | awc737: I'm not real savvy with networking, but thats more along the lines of the question you want to ask, is how to run two webservers both using port 80 on one install. To make it more clear to people who know the specifics of how to do that |
| 23:11.11 | awc737 | ok, i'll google that, thanks nvz |
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| 23:12.54 | nvz | basically though the issue is port conflict and its easily solved by using forwarding in your router |
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| 23:14.03 | kittonian | hi all |
| 23:14.13 | kittonian | i'm having a very strange issue and need some help |
| 23:14.53 | threadlock | state your issue |
| 23:14.56 | nvz | kittonian: me too.. but I think my issues are beyond the scope of this channel.. how about asking a question with the problem explained |
| 23:15.12 | kittonian | i'm moving from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel and have everything compiled and config'd just like the existing 2.4 kernel but when i boot into the new kernel i get a kernel panic saying kernel panic - not syncing : VFS: unable to mount root FS on unknown-block |
| 23:15.19 | kittonian | i was typing :) |
| 23:15.20 | abrotman | wait, what? |
| 23:15.37 | kittonian | i've researched the issue and have tried the suggestions but nothing seems to work |
| 23:15.38 | abrotman | a) why are you compiling b) why were you still on 2.4? |
| 23:15.48 | nvz | kittonian: well 2.4 and 2.6 are drastically different, all the ABI/APIs are rewritten so configs arent gonna match up |
| 23:15.49 | kittonian | abrotman: not really the issue |
| 23:15.50 | aidalgol | 2.4?? o.O |
| 23:15.51 | npx | 2.4 was rich with the bugs |
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| 23:16.16 | erkan^ | haha, i need quick question --> simple, themill :p |
| 23:16.17 | aidalgol | npx: The 3.2 users will say the same thing about 2.6. :P |
| 23:16.28 | abrotman | kittonian: a) is .. |
| 23:16.30 | nsadmin | If I had a nickle for every bug... |
| 23:16.35 | kittonian | nvz: right, i know that, so i went through and checked all the different options in menuconfig and ensured that all is correct before proceeding |
| 23:16.38 | nvz | kittonian: those errors indicate typically that support for the FS of the rootfs or the disk controller driver aren't available at boot time.. they need to be either compiled statically (not as a module) or in the initrd |
| 23:16.39 | npx | kittonian, to answer your issue specifically it seems that you don't have the appropriate drivers for your (S)ATA controller build into the kernel |
| 23:16.59 | awc737 | can I resize partitions from command line? |
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| 23:17.07 | kittonian | npx: believe it or not this is an old IDE machine |
| 23:17.07 | nvz | kittonian: this happened to me recently with linux 3.x and turned out the thing I forgot was AHCI support, so my kernel booted when AHCI was disabled in BIOS but not when it was on |
| 23:17.23 | somiaj | awc737: sure, parted, or other cli partition tools. |
| 23:17.38 | nvz | kittonian: ah, well if its old IDE its kinda hard to forget EXTRAs like AHCI support ;) |
| 23:17.50 | kittonian | nvz: exactly |
| 23:17.50 | somiaj | awc737: note if there is a file system you want to preserve on the partition you may have to resize that first, but I think parted can do most of that (I don't use it much though) |
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| 23:17.53 | npx | kittonian, if you can boot into 2.4 and do an lspci -vv and then pastebin the results we can probably tell you what driver you need to add |
| 23:18.00 | kittonian | from what i can tell i've done the kernel config correctly |
| 23:18.15 | kittonian | i am botted back into the 2.4 kernel and will run that command now |
| 23:18.21 | awc737 | i just have sda1 - 50gb and sda2 - 8gb swap |
| 23:18.23 | nvz | kittonian: well the only other thing that can generate that error with a properly configure kernel is a misconfigured bootloader or kernel command line |
| 23:18.33 | awc737 | I just want to reduce swap to 2gb, and extend sda1 |
| 23:18.42 | nvz | kittonian: other than of course hardware failure which I'm sure you've ruled that one out ;) |
| 23:18.57 | npx | you might try manually specifying root=/dev/hdaX at the kernel prompt |
| 23:18.59 | kittonian | http://pastebin.com/Uq2RhrLr |
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| 23:19.28 | nvz | I say bootloader OR kernel command line, cause these days its possible to configure a kernel with a built-in command line |
| 23:20.05 | npx | 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 <-- CONFIG_ATA_PIIX i believe |
| 23:20.09 | kittonian | npx: i already have root=/dev/hda1 in my lilo.conf |
| 23:20.21 | awc737 | can I just resize a swap partition with parted? or do I need to tell the system how much swap to use elsewhere as well? |
| 23:20.30 | abrotman | kittonian: hold on .. |
| 23:20.40 | nvz | abrotman: hah, the lilo thing right? |
| 23:20.49 | npx | i still have jeans from 1998 |
| 23:21.00 | abrotman | kittonian: your HDD is likely /dev/sda1 now |
| 23:21.01 | kittonian | yes i know, this is very very old machine |
| 23:21.04 | Belial` | too bad you don't have the waist from 1998 |
| 23:21.12 | kittonian | abrotman: ? |
| 23:21.17 | nvz | abrotman: oh, good catch.. I didn't think of that |
| 23:21.34 | mutante | awc737: you could also just create another one, and then use "swapon" to add it |
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| 23:22.01 | kittonian | i'm sorry, i don't understand. are you saying that as of 2.6 the naming of hda turned into sda even though the drives didn't change? |
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| 23:22.28 | nvz | kittonian: as I said earlier the kernel was drastically rewritten, it doesnt resemble the 2.4 kernel at all.. all the ABI/APIs are different |
| 23:22.39 | themill | !libata |
| 23:22.40 | dpkg | libata is a Linux library supporting ATA controllers and devices. Devices handled by libata appear as SCSI devices with associated device names: 'sd' (hard drive, instead of 'hd'), 'sr' (optical), 'st' (tape). The old legacy IDE (PATA) drivers are replaced with libata in Debian kernel images as of linux-2.6 2.6.32-10. http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_FAQ . See also <uuid>. |
| 23:22.43 | awc737 | mutante: ok, I'll delete the extended partiion, resize my primary larger, and then mkswap and swapon |
| 23:23.00 | npx | i thought that was 2.0->2.2 |
| 23:23.04 | kittonian | nvz: ok, understood, but do i take out the standlone line in lilo.conf stating boot=/dev/hda1 and instead put that under the specific kernel boot options? |
| 23:23.05 | npx | facepalms |
| 23:23.17 | kittonian | and of course change the 2.6 kernel config to read sda instead? |
| 23:23.21 | nvz | kittonian: yeah, sounds like it my friend. |
| 23:23.41 | nvz | I should've thought of that cause I've been having hdd woes and seeing a lot of libata messages lately |
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| 23:24.37 | kittonian | hmm, lilo doesn't like that |
| 23:25.12 | nvz | kittonian: try for now just doing it right from the bootloader to verify.. i.e. edit it inline before you boot |
| 23:25.52 | nvz | its been so long since I used lilo I dont even remember how to do that, but iirc it can edit command line at boot time like grub |
| 23:26.02 | nvz | think it was tab or something |
| 23:26.14 | kittonian | shift or tab shows you the lilo menu screen |
| 23:26.20 | kittonian | don't know about inline command options |
| 23:26.38 | nvz | yeah I could be wrong.. but it'd be the quickest way to test.. |
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| 23:27.12 | nvz | not to mention would get past issue with the actual program installing the bootloader seeing the device doesn't exist |
| 23:27.14 | awc737 | can I unmount my one and only primary partition? |
| 23:27.21 | awc737 | and still expect my terminal to work? |
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| 23:28.00 | nvz | awc737: you can't unmount a rootfs while a machine is running, no.. you can only chroot a particular process or remount the rootfs |
| 23:28.18 | awc737 | i want to extend my primary partition |
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| 23:28.24 | kittonian | take a look at my fstab |
| 23:28.25 | kittonian | http://pastebin.com/vYutkTh7 |
| 23:28.30 | somiaj | boot up off a live system and do the work from there. |
| 23:28.31 | awc737 | it's the only partition, and parted says I have to unmount firstr |
| 23:28.34 | nvz | awc737: depends on the FS but would have to be done offline in most cases |
| 23:28.36 | kittonian | i don't think just changing one command to read sda is going to work |
| 23:28.41 | awc737 | hm can't, server is far away :( |
| 23:28.50 | awc737 | even just to extend... ? |
| 23:29.23 | nvz | awc737: yeah thats rough.. again it depends on the FS, if it can be grown or not.. even in cases where you could it'd be recommended to backup and to remount it read-only during the proceedure |
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| 23:29.36 | awc737 | hmm |
| 23:29.38 | nvz | awc737: mount -o remount,ro / |
| 23:29.41 | nvz | would be how you'd do that |
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| 23:29.52 | somiaj | awc737: do you have another drive/partition you can move the rootfs to? |
| 23:30.03 | awc737 | i can make one real quick |
| 23:30.36 | somiaj | awc737: that way you can make a new place for the rootfs to live, remount the root partition read only, then mount it somewhere else (so you don't copy stuf flike /proc and /sys contenst over), then copy the rootfs to your new partition. set up grub/fstab, reboot |
| 23:31.26 | awc737 | hmmm |
| 23:31.31 | awc737 | maybe it's not worth it for an extra 5gb' |
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| 23:31.57 | nvz | awc737: I guess this isn't a server where you have staff available to just do it for you? |
| 23:31.58 | somiaj | or use LVM in the future, though not sure how dynamic it is, it helps in a lot of these cases where you need to resize stuff later on |
| 23:32.31 | awc737 | i could bug them but its not a big deal |
| 23:33.24 | nvz | Thats your decision to make ;) Whatever pulls your bandwagon I always say :-P |
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| 23:35.40 | awc737 | i just want to add an extended partition, parted print shows: |
| 23:35.46 | awc737 | 1 1049kB 50.0GB 50.0GB primary ext4 boot |
| 23:36.03 | awc737 | how can I mkpart logical, starting at the end of that one, 50gb |
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| 23:37.22 | mutante | wheezy/Gnome: locking my screen, come back, do NOT see the input box (user/pass) anymore to unlock, yet if i blindly type my password and mouse focus is in the right spot i can still unlock it, you just ..gotta know :p |
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| 23:38.28 | somiaj | sounds like a bug, file a bug report. does this happen every time or only if you wait a while |
| 23:40.04 | mutante | somiaj: first i thought it just happens when i wait at least a couple minutes, but then it happened like right away, but i also can't realiably reproduce it everytime..hrmm. i also have a feeling it only happens when i have a second monitor connected |
| 23:40.17 | mutante | somiaj: yeah, i know, i should just report it |
| 23:41.21 | somiaj | well was seeing if it was like a dpms issue or something like that |
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| 23:42.41 | mutante | there i could just reproduce it, lock screen, see input box for a split second, then it disappears, blue background graphics and cursor stay visible |
| 23:43.10 | mutante | i am fine with calling it additional security by obscurity for today :) hehe |
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| 23:43.55 | awc737 | now im just fcknsht up |
| 23:44.06 | awc737 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.07 | awc737 | /dev/sda1 * 1 6079 48827392 83 Linux |
| 23:44.07 | awc737 | /dev/sda2 6225 7221 8000512 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 23:44.10 | awc737 | does that look wrong? |
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| 23:44.37 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.15 | awc737 | ok sorry I'll pb next time |
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