| 00:00.00 | bronaugh | uh; I'm on squeeze. bunch of shit appears to be broken. |
| 00:00.06 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.10 | bronaugh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:02.32 | themill | that's not squeeze... you have a mixture of squeeze and other random crap |
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| 00:02.53 | bronaugh | uh, lemme check into that... |
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| 00:03.29 | themill | (possibly wheezy, possibly sid, possibly just out-of-date wheezy) |
| 00:03.55 | bronaugh | it's sid. co-worker didn't follow the instructions I wrote. |
| 00:03.58 | bronaugh | god damn. |
| 00:04.37 | themill | who'd have thought that debian stable was actually in a consistent state and that the problem existed between keyboard and chair ... |
| 00:04.41 | bronaugh | ok, not entirely. |
| 00:05.02 | bronaugh | I've got sid in there, but it has a much lower priority than stable. |
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| 00:05.12 | bronaugh | such that packages should not be pulled from sid, if they exist in stable. |
| 00:05.18 | bronaugh | so this shouldn't happen. |
| 00:05.20 | themill | no |
| 00:05.35 | themill | if there are versioned dependencies, then you will make a mess. Like this. |
| 00:06.28 | bronaugh | uh. no. |
| 00:06.34 | bronaugh | this has nothing to do with sid :/ |
| 00:06.42 | bronaugh | I commented out the sources, apt-get update; and same result. |
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| 00:07.46 | themill | you've already got gcc4.4-base=4.4.7-2 installed and now you're trying to install packages that require gcc=4.4.5-8 |
| 00:07.50 | bronaugh | but this could be package-mixing screwups. |
| 00:07.59 | bronaugh | gah. |
| 00:08.12 | themill | this *is* package mixing screw-ups. Just don't do it. It always ends in tears. |
| 00:08.29 | bronaugh | right. so I'm supposed to run stone age software? |
| 00:08.40 | themill | *sigh* |
| 00:08.46 | bronaugh | the point of doing this, is that it allows me to pull in software from sid -when necessary- |
| 00:09.02 | Belial` | you could use backports |
| 00:09.39 | bronaugh | so tell me more about backports here. |
| 00:09.48 | bronaugh | do they cover the entire software set of sid? |
| 00:10.01 | themill | that's not guaranteed to work.. in fact, it's pretty much guaranteed to not work or to leave you in a situation exactly like this. If stability is not an issue (which it clearly isn't if you are chasing versions), run "testing". |
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| 00:10.07 | themill | dpkg: tell bronaugh about bpo |
| 00:10.27 | Belial` | bronaugh, http://backports-master.debian.org/ |
| 00:10.27 | themill | bronaugh: backports clearly cannot cover everything in sid. If it tried to do that, it would just be sid. |
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| 00:11.54 | mutante | dpkg: apt-pinning |
| 00:11.54 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 00:15.19 | bronaugh | ok, so how would I force-downgrade the packages? |
| 00:15.29 | themill | dpkg: tell bronaugh about downgrade |
| 00:15.57 | bronaugh | ok, so it's a little ugly but more or less doable. |
| 00:15.58 | themill | aptitude install package=version might work, depending on how many packages you've got to do this for. |
| 00:16.41 | themill | bronaugh: you might want to "/msg dpkg not available" now that you've only got squeeze in your sources.list to see how many packages you've got in this situation |
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| 00:18.27 | bronaugh | hmm; thanks. |
| 00:18.30 | bronaugh | looks workable. |
| 00:19.12 | bronaugh | seems to have at least squared the immediate problem away. |
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| 00:19.57 | themill | bronaugh: at this stage of the release cycle, with testing frozen, you could always consider upgrading to wheezy. There are a few grues hiding in the corner and you don't have security support yet, but it's a reasonable plan for a desktop. |
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| 00:20.28 | bronaugh | yeah, this is going to be a database server... :S |
| 00:20.59 | bronaugh | so sid's probably a really, really, bad plan anyways. |
| 00:21.10 | bronaugh | even in partial form. |
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| 00:22.05 | themill | quite. |
| 00:22.37 | bronaugh | looks like I can pull a debian packports kernel here and get a modern kernel version; that's one of my biggest concerns. |
| 00:24.17 | themill | unless you've got specific hardware that's not supported by the squeeze kernel (remembering that new network card drivers etc are backported to it already), then even that is barely worth it |
| 00:24.46 | bronaugh | there's a lot of major changes to eg md that affect us. |
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| 00:29.30 | p8m | Just compile a bleeding edge kernel then you can have the lastest bugs *and* drivers. |
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| 00:30.48 | ekaj | rofl |
| 00:31.03 | bronaugh | p8m: btdt. no. |
| 00:31.22 | bronaugh | I prefer to at least wait a few days after a kernel release to see if anyone's screaming about filesystem corruption. |
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| 00:32.14 | bronaugh | I don't upgrade for the sake of upgrading; I upgrade because there is a problem of some kind, and I think that the patches in the kernel's changelog may actually affect it. |
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| 00:40.33 | pseudorandom | hello, I'm looking to have short letter in english translated to chinese. if there are any native speakers here with 20 minutes of their time, I would appreciate a pm. Sorry for off-topic - couldn't think of proper channel, and debian folks never let me down. |
| 00:40.59 | abrotman | pseudorandom: you'd probably have more luck in #defocus |
| 00:41.13 | pseudorandom | thanks |
| 00:41.20 | ahferroin7 | pseudorandom: have you tried translating it using http://translate.google.com |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | hahaha |
| 00:41.56 | pseudorandom | that's a bad idea |
| 00:42.05 | pseudorandom | :) |
| 00:43.08 | p8m | Why would it be that qgis has a powerpc package in stable but not testing,sid? Problems with a dependency? I don't see any bugs reported... |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | did you look at the changelog or buildd reports? |
| 00:44.13 | p8m | nope. I'll check those out |
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| 00:45.47 | somiaj | or check the qa page. http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qgis.html -- sometimes you can find info there. |
| 00:46.21 | p8m | thanks! Wasn't sure where to look. |
| 00:46.30 | somiaj | looks like it was removed from unstable and testing for some reason, and maybe the ports didn't get made when it was brought back in |
| 00:46.49 | KidCisc | Say, is a "Live image" of "testing" (Wheezy) available for a USB drive? |
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| 00:48.15 | abrotman | KidCisc: see live.debian.net if there is one |
| 00:48.19 | p8m | Hmm looks like a .tocl section overflow from the buildd report. |
| 00:48.26 | KidCisc | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:49.07 | somiaj | I haven't seen any on live.debian.net, but you can find tools there to create you own. |
| 00:49.16 | somiaj | (in the case there isn't one) |
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| 00:53.34 | kittonian | well, i fixed the boot drive problem and it had nothing to do with hda vs sda. it had to do with new options in the kernel config that i didn't enable relating to IDE legacy support. now it goes through that part just fine but halts the machine without a kernel panic after trying to run ntpdate and start named |
| 00:54.22 | somiaj | kittonian: haven't followed what you were doing to closely. but have you tried to say take a debian kernel config and modify the options to what you desire? |
| 00:54.50 | kittonian | yes, i've already done all of hat |
| 00:54.52 | kittonian | *that |
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| 00:55.13 | abrotman | legacy .. support ... |
| 00:55.28 | kittonian | it seems to be building a 64-bit kernel for some reason, though i saw no mention of 64-bit when going through all the options, and the processor (PIII 550mhz) doesn't support 64-bit |
| 00:58.49 | KidCisc | somiaj: thank you |
| 00:59.27 | kittonian | is it possible that i enabled something in the kernel config that would be blocking ports from being used? |
| 00:59.46 | kittonian | that would explain the ntpdate clockerror: name or service not known |
| 01:00.16 | kittonian | apparently i'm not the first one to see the named running 32-bit mode legacy support enabled message either but couldn't find an answer to that one |
| 01:00.39 | rodyduterte | good morning. i was able to install php+mysql+apache.i can open http://localhost/info.php.but http://localhost/phpmyadmin it says The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server. i restarted my box but still the same.any thoughts?thanks |
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| 01:00.57 | abrotman | rodyduterte: please don't ask both networks |
| 01:01.17 | rodyduterte | sorry.its quiet in oftc |
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| 01:02.56 | abrotman | the three minutes you waited |
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| 01:03.30 | blackshirt | hello, how we do configuru monitor resolution manually? |
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| 01:06.10 | wilee-nilee | blackbox, xrandr -s "resolution here" |
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| 01:06.41 | wilee-nilee | like 800x600...ect |
| 01:06.47 | wilee-nilee | etc* |
| 01:07.19 | wilee-nilee | blackshirt, ^^^ |
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| 01:07.29 | blackshirt | wille-nee, thats automatically added to xorg.conf ? |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | no |
| 01:07.58 | wilee-nilee | blackshirt, no, it just setts the resolution |
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| 01:08.00 | abrotman | blackshirt: xrandr -q |
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| 01:09.57 | blackshirt | xrandr -q just show me 800x600 for highest resolution..is that normal? |
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| 01:12.08 | abrotman | blackshirt: depends on your card and your driver |
| 01:13.20 | blackshirt | abrotman, i have onboard intel gma500 |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | so you probably need at least the intel driver from backports.debian.org |
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| 01:16.20 | blackshirt | abrotman,thanks .. I have to check |
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| 01:19.28 | kittonian | ok, the next thing in the list at bootup after it freezes is "starting random number generator". prior to that it's the ntpdate clockerror: name or service not known |
| 01:19.33 | kittonian | any thoughts on how to solve this? |
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| 01:20.45 | queso | Using debian wheezy. Installed updates last night. Something happened, because now there are two processes that are using 100% cpu continually, not sure how to fix it. The processes are tracker-miner-fs and tracker-store. I tried disabling the tracker in the 'Search and Indexing Settings' application (gnome3, ala http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/documentation.html), but it's still running. Help? |
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| 01:21.55 | internat | hey with acls.. can you make it so any new created subfolder gets the new acl? |
| 01:22.02 | internat | err gets the existing acl* |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | queso: kill them ? |
| 01:22.35 | queso | abrotman: They come back. |
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| 01:23.24 | abrotman | queso: tried letting them finish ? |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | queso: or checked the BTS ? |
| 01:23.49 | queso | abrotman: They ran all day. There can't be that many files even on the system to be indexed. |
| 01:23.53 | abrotman | queso: i have them running too, but not using my CPU |
| 01:23.55 | queso | abrotman: BTS? |
| 01:24.11 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org |
| 01:24.29 | queso | abrotman: I'll check now |
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| 01:28.19 | queso | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612242 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=669116 |
| 01:28.59 | queso | abrotman: I guess I can temporarily make a cron job that kills those processes . . but that doesn't seem like a clean solution. |
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| 01:29.49 | ahferroin7 | queso: you could just get rid of tracker |
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| 01:30.06 | queso | ahferroin7: it's a dependency of gnome now. |
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| 01:30.42 | ahferroin7 | queso: then now is a better time than ever to look into alternative environments |
| 01:31.09 | abrotman | ahferroin7: you're not helping |
| 01:31.14 | queso | ahferroin7: I'm using enlightenment. My wife can't use enlightenment, and she doesn't like xfce. |
| 01:31.52 | abrotman | judd: versions tracker |
| 01:31.53 | judd | Package: tracker on i386 -- lenny: 0.6.6-2; squeeze: 0.8.17-1; sid: 0.14.1-2; wheezy: 0.14.1-2 |
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| 01:32.28 | abrotman | queso: you may want to append the bug, say it's sitll present in the current version you have |
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| 01:32.55 | abrotman | queso: also, you may want to see if it has a debug mode to see if you can tell what it's doing |
| 01:32.58 | ahferroin7 | queso: the cpu usage should drop once it's finished indexing the fs |
| 01:33.03 | maher | i have some sort of problem with utf8/fs/emacs i have a file called `0300b mariage Félix LR 1900.jpg' according to stat, but when i load up the directory in vidir using emacs I see '0300b mariage Félix LR 1900.jpg' |
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| 01:33.21 | abrotman | ahferroin7: did oyu miss the part where he said he let it run all day and it didn't finish ? |
| 01:34.06 | queso | abrotman: I'm happy to help by adding to the bug report, but I've never done so before. I just hit Reply and shoot an e-mail? |
| 01:34.10 | ahferroin7 | abrotman: depending on the io throughput and the number of files, that could be perfectly normal behavior |
| 01:34.24 | abrotman | ahferroin7: I'm sure his wife has millions of small files |
| 01:34.32 | Walhter | Is anyone haveing problem installing virtualbox-4.2 on Wheezy, it hangs everything on module reg. |
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| 01:34.58 | abrotman | queso: i see tracker-store has a verbosity level for logging |
| 01:35.17 | queso | abrotman, ahferroin7: Perhaps it's related to me having an encrypted disk. One of the persons who reported a similar bug also mentioned having an encrypted fs. |
| 01:35.31 | abrotman | queso: but the process runs as the user, correct? |
| 01:35.42 | queso | abrotman: yes, as my wife's user |
| 01:36.16 | queso | abrotman: I could kill the processes and try to manually start them with verbose logging? |
| 01:37.44 | abrotman | queso: you could .. though i don't see where it says it logs |
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| 01:38.24 | a_meteorite | I'm having issues with a new dual gigabit NIC (specifically HP NC360T, Intel-based)... neither of the NICs on the board will pull a DHCP address, only the built-in one on the mobo |
| 01:38.52 | a_meteorite | I added the two NICs to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:39.07 | a_meteorite | They're showing up in dmesg, and the e1000e module is being loaded |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | do they require firmware? |
| 01:39.22 | a_meteorite | as far as I know, no |
| 01:39.34 | abrotman | anything mentioned in dmesg ? |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | queso: is all of /home/ encrypted, or just your wife's $HOME ? |
| 01:39.55 | queso | abrotman: /home/user/.local/share/tracker/tracker-miner-fs.log |
| 01:40.10 | queso | abrotman: all partitions are encrypted |
| 01:40.33 | a_meteorite | e1000e 0000:06:00.0: eth1: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 01:40.56 | a_meteorite | and the same for eth2, along with it loading 1000e 1.5.1-k |
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| 01:41.13 | abrotman | a_meteorite: dhclient eth1 .. says what? |
| 01:41.18 | abrotman | queso: anything useful in teh logs? |
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| 01:41.39 | kittonian | well, it's not ntpdate cause i took that out of the equation. it's got to be something with the random number generator |
| 01:42.31 | queso | abrotman: I think so. I keep seeing this: Tracker-WARNING **: Locale '0' is not set, defaulting to C locale |
| 01:42.42 | a_meteorite | abrotman: one sec.. |
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| 01:42.58 | queso | abrotman: At the end of this bug report, it notes that for one user, setting the locale fixed the problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=612242 |
| 01:43.54 | a_meteorite | ifup eth1 tries to get a DHCP lease, but it finally fails ("No DHCPOFFERS received.") |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | that's cute :) |
| 01:43.58 | queso | abrotman: Similar warnings occurred in .xsession-errors |
| 01:44.04 | a_meteorite | dhclient hung for the longest time, just finished, with no output |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | queso: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:44.22 | abrotman | queso: and i'd never have guessed that would cause the issue |
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| 01:45.30 | a_meteorite | oddly enough, it's auto-configuring inet6... but it seems getting a DHCP lease is completely broken? |
| 01:45.53 | queso | abrotman: okay, this doesn't make much sense. I swear I did this a couple weeks ago so package list updates wouldn't take forever because it was getting tons of translation packages from various repos. |
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| 01:47.58 | queso | abrotman: I only have "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" selected for locales to be generated. I will add the other two en_US locales for different character sets. Maybe that'll fix it. |
| 01:48.43 | ahferroin7 | queso: try adding 'LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8' to /etc/environment |
| 01:49.30 | abrotman | he shouldn't have to |
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| 01:54.08 | queso | abrotman, ahferroin7: Okay, so previously I didn't set a default locale, and now I have (en_US.UTF-8) using dpkg-reconfigure locales. Both the tracker processes are running now and using no cpu. It appears that is what fixed it. |
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| 01:54.37 | ahferroin7 | queso: yeah, some programs do weird things when using the C locale |
| 01:54.39 | a_meteorite | Hmmm, this is quite interesting. syslog showed eth1 going up and down, constantly flipping - which explains it. Figured I'd reboot for the heck of it, seems to have panic'd? |
| 01:54.44 | a_meteorite | At least I got a trace. |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | queso: be great of you could append the bug that doesn't ahve a solution with that solution |
| 01:55.32 | a_meteorite | Not sure how to see the trace after I hard reset though. |
| 01:55.40 | abrotman | queso: send an email to bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 01:55.50 | abrotman | queso: note that it will not hide your email address if that matters to you |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | a_meteorite: still doing it? |
| 01:56.22 | a_meteorite | Going to hard reset and find out. |
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| 01:57.45 | queso | abrotman: Is there some kind of protection against crawlers for spam? Otherwise, I don't mind my e-mail being public. |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | queso: it won't obfuscate or hide it in any way .. the email address you use is completely public |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | as for crawlers, can't answer that |
| 01:59.52 | queso | abrotman: I'll send it in :) |
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| 01:59.59 | simonlnu | use an obfuscated email, or email you don't mind getting spammed, otherwise sooner or later -- and probably sooner -- you'll get some on that address. |
| 02:00.16 | queso | abrotman: Thanks for your help. |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | i suggest creating a hotmail account, make it microsoft's problem! :) |
| 02:00.27 | queso | abrotman: haha |
| 02:00.30 | simonlnu | uses a gmail addie |
| 02:00.39 | simonlnu | but yeh, that's good too ;) |
| 02:01.16 | a_meteorite | abrotman: rebooted, eth1 isn't resetting anymore, but it's still not acquiring a DHCP lease |
| 02:01.19 | queso | Looks like a lot of people are using their actual addresses, not extra spam-collector addresses. |
| 02:01.33 | a_meteorite | *sigh* |
| 02:01.45 | simonlnu | most do yes |
| 02:01.46 | abrotman | a_meteorite: have another NIC about you can try ? |
| 02:02.11 | abrotman | queso: right, i used a yahoo address years ago .. i get spam, but not a ton, and they are decent about dumping it to the spam box |
| 02:02.20 | a_meteorite | only an old 100Mb non-Intel PCI, but yes... hold on |
| 02:02.42 | abrotman | a_meteorite: wait, what's your 'uname -a' ? |
| 02:03.22 | a_meteorite | heh, go to shutdown - kernel panics again |
| 02:03.36 | a_meteorite | I think I can definitely blame this NIC |
| 02:03.42 | a_meteorite | or the e1000e driver |
| 02:04.20 | abrotman | that's why i asked for your uname |
| 02:04.44 | maher | a_meteorite: i had problems with the e1000e driver in the past - have you tried using the most recent version? |
| 02:05.03 | a_meteorite | maher: no, not sure how to go about that on debian being a kernel modul |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | a_meteorite: wait, what's your 'uname -a' ? |
| 02:05.16 | a_meteorite | abrotman: one sec, getting |
| 02:05.34 | abrotman | i'll assume this is production, but is it external ? |
| 02:06.31 | maher | a_meteorite: i forget exactly what you do, but you can just build a single module for your current kernel |
| 02:07.09 | a_meteorite | abrotman: Linux dewey 3.2.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 23 02:45:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | oh, don't get much newer than that in Debian |
| 02:07.25 | a_meteorite | indeed |
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| 02:09.04 | a_meteorite | lemme see about getting the latest e1000e module |
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| 02:17.22 | Ronis_BR | hi all, does apt-get have a history control like yum? |
| 02:17.36 | queso | abrotman: update submitted. thanks again, have a good night. |
| 02:18.05 | abrotman | queso: good luck |
| 02:18.12 | abrotman | Ronis_BR: history control ? |
| 02:18.44 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: like, a track of every transaction so I can undo an operation |
| 02:19.15 | abrotman | eh .. /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
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| 02:19.39 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: but how this transactions can be undone] |
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| 02:20.41 | abrotman | downgrade a package i suppose |
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| 02:20.53 | abrotman | i'm not aware of yum doing this, so i'm not sure i fully understand how it works |
| 02:21.23 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: for example, with yum, if I install xfce, it will install a lot of packages, but all this packages can be uninstalled with just one command yum history undo <HISTORY_NUMBER> |
| 02:21.31 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: is there a way to accomplish it in debian? |
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| 02:22.52 | abrotman | Ronis_BR: not that i'm aware of, though Debian has metapackages, aptitude install xfce4 will install tons of packages, aptitude remove xfce4 should remove them s well |
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| 02:22.55 | abrotman | as well |
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| 02:25.36 | spersaud | how can you find out the number of cores a machine has ? |
| 02:25.45 | somiaj | Ronis_BR: packages get marked as auto vs manual, so any package that you do not explicity install is an auto package, and ones you explicity request are manual |
| 02:26.01 | Ronis_BR | somiaj: sorry? |
| 02:26.04 | LtL | spersaud: nproc |
| 02:26.06 | Ronis_BR | abrotman: yes, I see, thanks! |
| 02:26.16 | somiaj | Ronis_BR: aptitude will remove any auto packages that don't have a manual package that depends on them, apt-get will not |
| 02:26.36 | somiaj | Ronis_BR: but apt-get as an 'autoremove' option to achive the same thing (though I have seen issues where it isn't as clean as people would like) |
| 02:26.45 | spersaud | LtL: or /proc/cpuinfo :) |
| 02:26.56 | abrotman | then why'd you ask?! |
| 02:27.04 | LtL | spersaud: yeah why ask |
| 02:27.10 | spersaud | LtL: nproc says 8, cpuinfo says 4 |
| 02:27.13 | spersaud | its an i7 |
| 02:27.17 | somiaj | in general using only aptitude (vs apt-get) will give you more that feature Ronis_BR |
| 02:27.21 | LtL | its 8 |
| 02:27.27 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 02:27.30 | Ronis_BR | somiaj: ok, thanks! |
| 02:27.31 | spersaud | this company is using amd64 kernel on an intel machine ... |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | cpuinfo should number the cores from 0 |
| 02:27.43 | sney | !tell spersaud about why amd64 |
| 02:27.44 | LtL | i have an i7 it has 8 cores |
| 02:27.48 | a_meteorite | well, the new e1000e module didn't help |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | but not all have 8 cores? |
| 02:27.57 | a_meteorite | wondering if this NIC is defective... |
| 02:28.07 | abrotman | if he has one physical CPU with four cores ... |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | unless each core has hyperthreading .. |
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| 02:29.02 | abrotman | in which case, you still only have four cores |
| 02:29.32 | spersaud | cpu cores: 4 |
| 02:29.46 | spersaud | siblings: 8 |
| 02:30.02 | spersaud | processor: 7 |
| 02:30.05 | spersaud | vendor_id: GenuineIntel |
| 02:30.24 | p8m | amd64 is another name for x86-64 or intel64, etc |
| 02:30.26 | spersaud | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz |
| 02:30.43 | spersaud | cpu MHz: 1600.000 |
| 02:30.59 | abrotman | spersaud: you can stop pasting any time |
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| 02:31.16 | spersaud | this is what hetzner.de is using for a dedicated server :) with 32gb memory ... :T |
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| 02:32.59 | spersaud | can always count on the europeans for providing a lot for less ... |
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| 02:34.24 | mmnicolas | spersaud: and we can count on you for off-topic flood |
| 02:34.27 | bbqgates | Is there anyway I can use a Windows XP 32-bit driver via Ndiswrapper with Squeeze 64-bit? |
| 02:34.56 | somiaj | bbqgates: might have troubles, what card is this again, I rarely seen a card needing ndiswrapper to work. |
| 02:35.07 | somiaj | (well needing it anymore) |
| 02:35.16 | mmnicolas | bbqgates: typically, no |
| 02:35.42 | bbqgates | it's a DWA-130 usb adapter |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | !dwa130 |
| 02:35.50 | dpkg | The D-Link DWA-130 is an 802.11n USB device. For rev.A1 (USB ID 07d1:3b11, Marvell 88W8362), ask about <ndiswrapper>. For rev.B (USB ID 07d1:3c13, Ralink RT2870), see <rt2800usb>. For rev.C1 (USB ID 2001:3301, Realtek RTL8192U), see <rtl8192u>. For rev.D (USB ID 07d1:3a0f, Atheros AR9170), see <ar9170usb> and <new_id>. For rev.C2 (USB ID 07d1:3302, Realtek RTL8191SU) and rev.E (USB ID 07d1:3300, Realtek RTL8191SU), see <rtl8192su>. |
| 02:35.51 | bbqgates | with a Marvell chipset |
| 02:36.02 | bbqgates | its a Rev A1 |
| 02:36.10 | abrotman | awesome |
| 02:36.15 | LtL | spersaud: i think your gneration i7 has 4 cores |
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| 02:36.24 | mmnicolas | just get another one, it's like 20$ ;) |
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| 02:37.07 | bbqgates | crap... I could though install debian 32-bit and it would work right? |
| 02:37.39 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:37.45 | abrotman | or should anyway |
| 02:37.48 | mmnicolas | bbqgates: you'd have more luck, but it's still dirty |
| 02:37.53 | spersaud | LtL: but its reading up to processor 7, 0-7 .. |
| 02:38.06 | abrotman | hyperthreading |
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| 02:38.09 | spersaud | why does it says 1600 mhz ? |
| 02:38.20 | bbqgates | ok, thanks somiaj, mmnicolas, and abrotman |
| 02:38.22 | blackshirt | abrotman, is compiz has been removed for next debian release (wheezy) ? |
| 02:38.49 | abrotman | blackshirt: last i knew, yes |
| 02:38.52 | spersaud | blackshirt: it should be removed, its a piece of shit |
| 02:39.01 | abrotman | spersaud: thanks for your awesome input |
| 02:39.13 | blackshirt | abrotman: is there a reason why ? |
| 02:39.27 | npx | it could have been phrased more diplomatically but he's in the right neighborhood ;) |
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| 02:39.34 | p8m | Is that the one with the spinning cube? That one rocks. |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | blackshirt: I believe the maintainer decided the vresion in wheezy was too buggy, and didn't feel he could get a better version into the release in time |
| 02:39.49 | blackshirt | spersaud: yes, I think that is a bloated, and makes someone crazy..but it was amazing |
| 02:39.52 | abrotman | blackshirt: bugs.debian.org/compiz .. find it |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | !tell blackshirt about removals |
| 02:40.12 | blackshirt | abrotman: I would to check |
| 02:40.16 | mmnicolas | I have been using it full-time for the last two years, never had any trouble |
| 02:40.20 | spersaud | blackshirt: how flattering, love debian stability |
| 02:41.15 | somiaj | blackshirt: checking the debian.qa page and bug reports, changelog, buildd can all help answer that question |
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| 02:41.34 | somiaj | blackshirt: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/compiz.html |
| 02:42.01 | blackshirt | somiaj: thank you, I have try compiz on lenny, that stable enough |
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| 02:43.17 | somiaj | umm, why not use the one in squeeze |
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| 02:43.22 | somiaj | seems it is the same as the one in sid |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | judd: versions compiz |
| 02:43.31 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 02:43.32 | somiaj | though no guarntee how well it will work on a wheezy system. |
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| 02:44.06 | somiaj | well almost the same, seems to have a few fixes. |
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| 02:44.53 | blackshirt | somiaj, I was upgraded to wheezy now, and we know, compiz was not available on wheezy |
| 02:45.20 | somiaj | you were upgraded to wheezy? strange way to say it, the only way that will happen is if you choose to leave a stable system and use a testing system. |
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| 02:46.18 | sney | the version in sid is probably installable on wheezy, at least for now |
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| 02:48.46 | blackshirt | somiaj, I'm waiting the next release, wheezy.. maybe as soon as woulde be released |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | somiaj: these are not the droids you're looking for |
| 02:49.17 | somiaj | you are always welcome to test it, but usually safest to wait for the offical release and read though the release notes. |
| 02:50.18 | blackshirt | somiaj: thanks for the advices...I'm still learning on this |
| 02:50.28 | somiaj | blackshirt: but now you can see why compiz is not there. |
| 02:51.20 | blackshirt | somiaj: yes, compiz has a lot of bugs and maybe need some time to fix thems |
| 02:51.54 | somiaj | yea and seems that enough people had their fill of wobbly windows that it isn't nearly as popular as it once was. |
| 02:51.57 | sney | compiz was really just a proof of concept anyway. the best use of compiz is to take useful features from it and build them into something else. |
| 02:51.59 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864 |
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| 03:08.34 | dagen | hi there |
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| 03:08.42 | sney | hi |
| 03:09.17 | dagen | i try to set: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth1 -s ! 10.0.0.0/24 -j DROP |
| 03:09.18 | dagen | But there is AN ERROR: Bad argument `10.0.0.0/24' |
| 03:09.28 | dagen | what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 03:10.09 | divbell | you need to escape the ! |
| 03:10.09 | sney | I can never remember how iptables syntax goes, but you must be entering the subnet id in the wrong place |
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| 03:11.03 | divbell | or is it the space? |
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| 03:18.51 | spersaud | blackshirt: tienes la camisa negra ? |
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| 03:26.44 | Rug | I have followed a few guides but still cannot get kontact to sync with Google. Any suggestions on what to do? |
| 03:26.47 | Rug | I have added akondai google.data, it asked for my password, but it isn't syncing |
| 03:27.13 | nickool | has this happened to anyone before? when I click open a abiword file, I get Iceweasel opened up. |
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| 03:28.02 | somiaj | nickool: sounds like the filemanager is confused |
| 03:28.20 | somiaj | nickool: you can assoicate any application with any file type, so something must have changed. |
| 03:29.07 | nickool | yeh, association of file to app. how to set that? |
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| 03:29.53 | somiaj | depends on the file manager |
| 03:29.58 | somiaj | usually with a right click |
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| 03:30.55 | nickool | that can be done, each time a file is to be opened. what i mean is a setting which will automatically open the right app for the file type. |
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| 03:31.31 | somiaj | yes but usually there is a menu option there you can say 'always', or assoicate. Maybe look for your file options |
| 03:31.57 | somiaj | or goto google and type '<name of file manager> file association' -- and read on how to do it (I don't use a file manaer so I can't just answer you) |
| 03:32.10 | nickool | yeh, I can recall that now. thanks. |
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| 03:38.15 | nickool | somiaj: r u using dolphin filemanager? |
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| 03:41.33 | a_meteorite | abrotman: tried some other NICs (all super old and not known if working), seem to have issues getting a DHCP lease on them too |
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| 03:42.05 | a_meteorite | so maybe there's some other issue going on... (still doesn't explain the kernel panics I saw with the original NIC) |
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| 03:45.34 | a_meteorite | ah, kernel panic'd again with a different NIC on shutdown |
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| 03:46.00 | a_meteorite | call trace includes an efi_call, efi_pstore_write [efivars] |
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| 03:46.21 | a_meteorite | I did use an experimental Debian installer for UEFI/GPT... one of the modules that gets loaded is efivars |
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| 03:49.24 | redwarriors25 | how can i have the internet of web server debian lenny |
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| 03:51.58 | LtL | redwarriors25: http://archive.debian.org/ ? |
| 03:52.18 | a_meteorite | booted into same installer, it fails to get a DHCP lease on the dual gigabit NIC... in fact, the adapter is shown as going up and down |
| 03:52.53 | redwarriors25 | ? |
| 03:53.34 | a_meteorite | e1000e: eth1 NIC Link is Down; e1000e 0000:06:00.0: eth1: Reset adapter; e1000e: eth1 NIC Link is Up 1000 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: RX/TX |
| 03:53.37 | a_meteorite | over and over |
| 03:54.08 | LtL | redwarriors25: i can't make much sense of your question, what are you looking for? |
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| 03:56.18 | darsie | 'curl https://mtgox.com/api/1/BTCEUR/ticker' says: "curl: (60) SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed". This works on a different machine. Package ca-certificates appears to be installed and configured fine. |
| 03:57.08 | darsie | The Verisign CA is activated in dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates |
| 03:59.17 | nsadmin | a_meteorite, maybe something physical is going on, with the magnetic properties of the cable... how short is it? |
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| 04:00.42 | a_meteorite | nsadmin: it's about 6 feet |
| 04:01.04 | a_meteorite | I have no issue with the onboard realtek gigabit nic |
| 04:01.19 | a_meteorite | well, it was finicky until I got the firmware |
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| 04:02.07 | nsadmin | so what are the actual symptoms? |
| 04:03.14 | nickool | i hv recently bought a solid-state drive. can use it for back-up but cannot make it bootable. how to make it boot up the system? |
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| 04:03.42 | a_meteorite | nsadmin: DHCP won't come up on this dual Intel 82571-based NIC (HP NC360T) |
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| 04:03.57 | somiaj | nickool: why can't you make it bootable. Grub should be able to boot from an os on it, just configure it correctly |
| 04:04.19 | nickool | how to configure it correctly? |
| 04:04.20 | somiaj | for the most part it should be like any other drive in your system, so make sure you set your bios to boot from it |
| 04:04.28 | a_meteorite | configured it in /etc/network/interfaces, etc. shows in ifconfig. the adapter seems to periodically reset itself. having issues with DHCP coming up on any non-mobo NICs (tried a few others) |
| 04:04.31 | redwarriors25 | to have connection of internet in my web server debian lenny |
| 04:04.43 | somiaj | nickool: do you have an os installed on it yet? if so os-prober and grub-update should od the trick |
| 04:04.45 | a_meteorite | updated e1000e to the latest available version manually. |
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| 04:06.13 | nickool | i hv done grub-install and update grub. When i use the bios to select it as the first boot drive, I get "error: out of disk", and then enter into grub-rescue. |
| 04:06.39 | somiaj | well grub-install by default will keep installing grub on the old drive you chose (and you can keep it on the mbr there) |
| 04:06.51 | darsie | Hmm, I'll disable certificate verification for now, and ask again tomorrow ... |
| 04:06.52 | somiaj | if youw ant to install grub on the new drive, try 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' |
| 04:07.43 | jagginess | !etch->lenny |
| 04:08.00 | nickool | no, all i hv to do is to specify d drive. if my ssd is /dev/sdb, then grub-install /dev/sdb would do. |
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| 04:10.08 | carbon_ | I love Debian. |
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| 04:10.35 | carbon_ | No, no. I think I actually am falling in love with Debian. |
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| 04:11.50 | acu | any news for compiz in wheezy ? |
| 04:12.08 | acu | !compiz |
| 04:12.08 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:12.21 | sid_supporter | !yum |
| 04:12.22 | dpkg | well, yum is "Yellow dog Updater, Modified". Somewhat like <APT> for RPM-based systems. It automatically computes dependencies and figures out what things should occur in order to safely install, remove, and update RPM packages. Packaged for Debian. http://yum.baseurl.org/ #yum on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:12.38 | nickool | carbon, why are you telling us that? |
| 04:13.01 | sid_supporter | Because Yum is good for Debian? |
| 04:13.59 | somiaj | acu: we just went over this, look at teh bug reports. It is being removed because there is no matianer for it |
| 04:14.14 | sid_supporter | acu: if you want it, maintain it. |
| 04:14.24 | somiaj | acu: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677864 |
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| 04:14.42 | sid_supporter | Actually, if you want it, use Ubuntu. |
| 04:15.04 | sid_supporter | I'm not being kind or charitable on IRC. I will leave before I get banned for being smartalek. |
| 04:15.07 | sid_supporter | Bye. |
| 04:15.38 | somiaj | the squeeze package should install just fine, and the sid package should to (but I wouldn't rely on that in the future without backporting it) |
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| 04:17.55 | blackshirt | sid_supporter: I think not ... that was natively for centos based distro |
| 04:17.55 | blackshirt | hello all, is that possible to use ACL and MAC (like selinux) both together ? |
| 04:19.28 | sid_supporter | !faikvm |
| 04:19.36 | acu | what is the compositing alternative for gnome ? - I need simple cube roll |
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| 04:25.46 | metrix | when I do iptables -L on my xen virtual machine I get the following: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-xen-686/modules.dep |
| 04:26.04 | blackshirt | somiaj, is it possible to use ACL and MAC (like selinux) both together ? |
| 04:26.10 | metrix | I thought that I might be missing a module package, but there doesn't seem to be one for 2.6.32 |
| 04:26.26 | simonlnu | known issue |
| 04:26.47 | metrix | Any suggestions on what I should do? |
| 04:27.00 | somiaj | blackshirt: I don't know. |
| 04:27.26 | simonlnu | there is, but i don't recall what it was |
| 04:27.36 | somiaj | don't you ahve to install the kernel modules on the guest? |
| 04:27.57 | redwarriors25 | simonlu |
| 04:28.18 | redwarriors25 | how can i get have internet of the debian lenny web server |
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| 04:28.42 | somiaj | redwarriors25: what do you mean? Are you looking for the lenny repo? It is on archive.debian.org. |
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| 04:29.14 | blackshirt | abrotman, is it possible to use ACL and MAC (like selinux) both together ? |
| 04:29.38 | redwarriors25 | what i mean is how can have access internet in debian lenny |
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| 04:30.29 | somiaj | blackshirt: people see your question when you asked it the first time. You do not need to ask every person who helped you directly |
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| 04:30.43 | somiaj | blackshirt: though if some are asleep, try again at a different time |
| 04:30.46 | blackshirt | somiaj: thank you ... |
| 04:30.52 | blackshirt | somiaj: okey |
| 04:31.07 | redwarriors25 | what i mean is how can have access internet in debian lenny? |
| 04:31.33 | somiaj | redwarriors25: just like any *liux distro, set up an interface. If you have a local network, configure your eithernet card in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:31.45 | somiaj | you do need to ensure you have the correct modules loaded for your kernel and card |
| 04:32.05 | redwarriors25 | how can i get the dns server |
| 04:32.33 | somiaj | the file /etc/resolv.conf is where you configure the nameserver you system uses |
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| 04:32.40 | somiaj | if you want to use googles, nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:32.50 | redwarriors25 | heres inside my et/resolv.conf |
| 04:32.52 | redwarriors25 | ### BEGIN INFO # # Modified_by: NetworkManager # Process: /usr/bin/NetworkManager # Process_id: 2436 # ### END INFO /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 202.78.97.41 nameserver 202.78.97.35 |
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| 04:38.06 | redwarriors25 | somiaj |
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| 04:38.48 | somiaj | ok, so trace down the issue. Is your nameserver having issues? type 'host google.com' |
| 04:39.05 | somiaj | is your interface up, /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:39.16 | somiaj | does it have a reaonsable ip, can you ping your interface? Can you ping your gateway? |
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| 04:39.35 | somiaj | put in googles nameserver if you think it is your dns servers causing issues |
| 04:39.42 | Thibaud | Hi guys |
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| 04:39.54 | Thibaud | Is it possible to expand variables into here-document ? |
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| 04:41.03 | somiaj | Thibaud: what is here-document? |
| 04:41.41 | smhar | greetings |
| 04:44.20 | smhar | I just got myself a Dell 5520 i5 laptop that I upgraded to 8GB RAM. I installed debian wheezy on it using net install. I managed to configure eth but wifi still does not work. Anyway. I am experiencing sudden and repeated system hanging with no apparent reason. how can I figure out the cause? |
| 04:44.35 | Thibaud | http://www.unix.com/shell-programming-scripting/16064-here-document.html |
| 04:44.52 | smhar | so far, I got three syslog files from three incidents |
| 04:44.56 | redwarriors25 | i cant ping the gateway either |
| 04:45.20 | redwarriors25 | cant ping also host google.com |
| 04:45.36 | somiaj | well if you can't ping your gateway, unless you gateway is blocknig pings, most likley that is your issue |
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| 04:45.53 | somiaj | your isp could just be down, you could have to restart your network interface to get a new dhcp lease |
| 04:47.02 | redwarriors25 | but it is using webserver this inside the /etc/resolv.conf how can i edit ### BEGIN INFO # # Modified_by: NetworkManager # Process: /usr/bin/NetworkManager # Process_id: 2436 # ### END INFO /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 202.78.97.41 nameserver 202.78.97.35 |
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| 04:50.48 | somiaj | if you cannot reach your gateway it won't matter what your resolv.conf is since you cannot get outside to the world to the nameserver to request a name. |
| 04:51.08 | somiaj | so first figure out how to get on the internet, try ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 04:51.38 | somiaj | again some networks can completely drop/block pings, but most don't so it is a way to test if you can get out to the internet |
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| 04:54.08 | redwarriors25 | im now already ping the 8.8.8.8 all replied |
| 04:54.22 | redwarriors25 | so does it mean i have already have internet |
| 04:55.32 | simonlnu | yes |
| 04:56.37 | redwarriors25 | ok thanks |
| 04:57.01 | redwarriors25 | next problem when i have apt-get update the error look like this |
| 04:57.04 | redwarriors25 | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the list directory |
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| 05:06.32 | peterrooney | smhar: think about why you're pastbinning _that_ file |
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| 05:09.01 | smhar | peterrooney, I get repeated system hanging on a fresh install of wheezy on a brand new dell laptop. I am going through this big file to spot something that could have caused it, but can not seem to see anything I can suspect. I need a second eye |
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| 05:15.26 | redwarriors25 | how can i fix this E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the list directory |
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| 05:17.21 | GamezR2EZ | redwarriors25: you can restart, that will kill any process accessing that |
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| 05:18.30 | redwarriors25 | ryt the error freezes only here:Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090905-08:48] lenny Release.gpg Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090905-08:48] lenny/contrib Translation-en_PH Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090905-08:48] lenny/main Translation-en_PH Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Officia |
| 05:18.43 | GamezR2EZ | if you are unsure if one is accessing it, you can use `lsof $(filename)` |
| 05:19.04 | bullgard4 | '~$ ps -ef | pager' invokes »most«. Where did I set that? |
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| 05:20.20 | redwarriors25 | there are so many ouputs come out |
| 05:21.19 | peterrooney | !lenny |
| 05:21.19 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 05:21.42 | GamezR2EZ | redwarriors25: there is a process that has it open. you can find the process and kill it, then remove the lock. Or you can restart and remove the lock |
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| 05:21.53 | peterrooney | bullgard4: update-alternatives --config pager |
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| 05:22.12 | redwarriors25 | how can i find the process and how can i remove the lock |
| 05:22.40 | GamezR2EZ | lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 05:22.58 | GamezR2EZ | once the process is found, kill it. then remove the file |
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| 05:23.14 | blackshirt | redwarriors25: you can see with ps aux |
| 05:23.26 | peterrooney | redwarriors25: more importantly, no one has yet to give a compelling reason to still be using lenny |
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| 05:23.54 | GamezR2EZ | i did not realize he was still on lenny |
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| 05:26.38 | redwarriors25 | what command in terminal to restart the debian |
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| 05:27.10 | GamezR2EZ | reboot |
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| 05:31.26 | tdlguiinstall | . |
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| 05:35.02 | bullgard4 | peterrooney: Yes indeed. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 05:38.45 | smhar | I just got myself a Dell 5520 i5 laptop that I upgraded to 8GB RAM. I installed debian wheezy on it using net install. I managed to configure eth but wifi still does not work. Anyway. I am experiencing sudden and repeated system hanging with no apparent reason. how can I figure out the cause? |
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| 05:38.55 | smhar | http://paste.debian.net/191110/ |
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| 05:40.32 | mDemocritus | smhar: hard locks? do you have to reboot to resolve? |
| 05:41.20 | bullgard4 | peterrooney: Is this setting preferable to a ~/.bashrc entry '#export PAGER=/usr/bin/most'? I am the sole user of this computer. |
| 05:41.31 | smhar | mDemocritus, yes |
| 05:42.26 | mDemocritus | smhar: ick |
| 05:43.40 | mDemocritus | smhar: does numlock still work on the keyboard? |
| 05:43.46 | smhar | mDemocritus, and it only resolve till the next lock which could be after 60 min or 1 min with no apparent reason |
| 05:43.49 | mDemocritus | that is, does it still light up? |
| 05:44.20 | smhar | mDemocritus, there is no numlock, this is a laptop |
| 05:44.39 | mDemocritus | smhar: well, it being a laptop doesn't preclude numlock :) |
| 05:44.45 | mDemocritus | smhar: what about capslock? |
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| 05:45.39 | smhar | mDemocritus, did not check the CapsLock, will wait for the next lock time :-) |
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| 05:46.02 | mDemocritus | smhar: that'll give you an indication if it's a full blown hard lock, or if there's still something happening. |
| 05:46.15 | mDemocritus | smhar: but really, i suspect a ram fault. try memtest for a few hours? |
| 05:46.22 | smhar | mDemocritus, the virtual consoles (ctrl+Fn) does not work |
| 05:46.38 | mDemocritus | smhar: grab a livecd and test with that, see if you can reproduce, ext |
| 05:46.40 | mDemocritus | etc* |
| 05:47.10 | smhar | mDemocritus, the laptop comes with 4GB I asked the shop to add another 4GB, could be |
| 05:47.36 | mDemocritus | smhar: that's a big reason i suggested the possibility |
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| 05:47.52 | mDemocritus | smhar: but yeah, try a livecd, try memtest, see if it's hardware |
| 05:48.08 | mDemocritus | smhar: if it's not, then it's probably some driver hanging |
| 05:48.35 | mDemocritus | smhar: although it'll probably be pretty low-level if it's hard locking instead of kernel panicing |
| 05:48.42 | tekbwainz | morning all |
| 05:49.00 | mDemocritus | tekbwainz: sssssssh it's not morning. because if it is, i need to go to bed |
| 05:49.22 | tekbwainz | mDemocritus: it's almost 9am here :) so |
| 05:49.39 | mDemocritus | tekbwainz: you darn aussies and your time zones :) |
| 05:49.47 | mDemocritus | tekbwainz: err, i'm dumb |
| 05:49.48 | tekbwainz | i ain't an aussie :) |
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| 05:50.02 | mDemocritus | tekbwainz: right. as you can see, i'm tired and my brain isn't working |
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| 05:50.04 | mDemocritus | goodnight all |
| 05:50.09 | tekbwainz | night night |
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| 05:50.37 | smhar | mDemocritus, tekbwainz, it is around 9am too |
| 05:50.51 | tekbwainz | smhar where are you from ? |
| 05:50.58 | smhar | tekbwainz, Bahrain |
| 05:51.11 | tekbwainz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:52.07 | tekbwainz | but you are nto supposed to have time like mine |
| 05:52.30 | smhar | tekbwainz, we are +3GMT |
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| 05:53.13 | tekbwainz | do you move your clock |
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| 05:53.18 | tekbwainz | like summer and winter time ? |
| 05:53.23 | CoJaBo | Out of curiousity, is it possible to do an install option where neither host nor nslookup nor dig commands are installed? |
| 05:53.43 | smhar | tekbwainz, no |
| 05:53.53 | tekbwainz | smhar: so that's why :) |
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| 05:56.09 | redwarriors25 | what should i do |
| 05:57.15 | tekbwainz | redwarriors25: ? |
| 05:57.31 | redwarriors25 | error of this lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 05:57.35 | redwarriors25 | soory |
| 05:58.04 | GamezR2EZ | redwarriors25: did you restart? |
| 05:58.07 | redwarriors25 | only stuck with this Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090905-08:48] lenny Release.gpg Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090905-08:48] lenny/contrib Translation-en_PH Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090905-08:48] lenny/main Translation-en_PH Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD |
| 05:58.10 | redwarriors25 | yez |
| 05:58.18 | GamezR2EZ | did yo uthen remove the lock file? |
| 05:58.32 | tekbwainz | redwarriors25: do you have an operation access the lock ? |
| 05:58.49 | redwarriors25 | is this the one lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 05:59.20 | tekbwainz | what's the error |
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| 06:00.18 | redwarriors25 | nothing outputs |
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| 06:00.48 | GamezR2EZ | redwarriors25: remove the file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
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| 06:37.32 | bullgard4 | Is a setting 'update-alternatives --config pager'preferable to a ~/.bashrc entry '#export PAGER=/usr/bin/most'? I am the sole user of this computer. |
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| 06:47.16 | ChrisH | bullgard4: I would not not most via update-alternatives but via .bashrc. But I am administering systems with mutiple users and the expected PAGER is more or less depending on the OS. Linux less and UNIX[TM] more ... more or less :) |
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| 06:51.20 | redwarriors25 | may i ask if i can update debain to 6 squeezy ryt from lenny 5 is there have arise problem from what im using webserver on lenny 5.03 |
| 06:52.57 | ChrisH | redwarriors25: you SHOULD upgrade to squeeze as lenny is EOL since Februay! Ask the bot on update procedures. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 06:53.24 | bullgard4 | ChrisH: Thank you for commenting und your help. |
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| 06:57.53 | oggei | holla |
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| 06:59.29 | sephii | I just bought a USB wiki adapter which, according to the following page, should be supported by rt2800usb: http://www.wikidevi.com/wiki/ASUS_USB-N53 however the module doesn't get loaded when I plug the USB key, and even if I load it manually, the USB key doesn't get recognized. Any idea how I could debug this? |
| 06:59.38 | sephii | s/wiki/wifi/ |
| 07:00.06 | darruiz | buenos dias |
| 07:00.10 | darruiz | desde venezuela |
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| 07:01.13 | blackshirt | sephii: I don't know with you mean with usb wiki adapter ? |
| 07:01.43 | sephii | blackshirt: typo: wifi, not wiki |
| 07:03.12 | ChrisH | sephii: check dmesg for help... if this does not help you use paste.debian.org to show it to us... please include lsub in the same past |
| 07:05.16 | tekbwainz | back to MVP |
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| 07:10.12 | morteza | hi |
| 07:10.13 | morteza | how to load gtk in terminal ? |
| 07:11.03 | morteza | without using gnome or kde |
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| 07:12.46 | morteza | anybody? |
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| 07:13.07 | cm13g09 | morteza: how do you mean load gtk in a terminal |
| 07:13.23 | morteza | cm13g09: I am in terminal |
| 07:13.27 | cm13g09 | gtk is a graphical interface and requires at minimum an X server be running |
| 07:13.42 | morteza | cm13g09: and I have any gui tools , I wanna to load just a web browser |
| 07:14.06 | morteza | cm13g09: sorry , i haven't any gui |
| 07:14.28 | morteza | cm13g09: I wanna just open web browser in that |
| 07:14.33 | cm13g09 | ok, so you want to run a graphical browser, but without starting Xorg. I'm sorry to say that that isn't possible |
| 07:14.40 | cm13g09 | you can run text-based browsers |
| 07:14.42 | cm13g09 | such as elinks |
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| 07:14.58 | cm13g09 | or w3m |
| 07:15.04 | morteza | cm13g09: so how can I start X ? |
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| 07:15.17 | cm13g09 | morteza: if X is installed, type startx |
| 07:15.26 | cm13g09 | and it should dump you at a graphical session |
| 07:15.37 | cm13g09 | if it's over SSH though |
| 07:15.40 | cm13g09 | that won't work |
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| 07:18.54 | osfd | Hi there |
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| 07:19.32 | xgl | hi all |
| 07:20.05 | morteza | cm13g09: with just startx , I can run web browser? |
| 07:20.29 | osfd | In order to have a more up to date firefox, I use the mozilla firefox. I cannot print from firefox though. When I try to print, the dialog is empty, not a single printer is visible. From any other soft, I can print with no problem |
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| 07:22.00 | cm13g09 | morteza: no, you'll need to start x, and then start a web browser from the session it loads |
| 07:22.01 | sephii | ChrisH: here's my lsusb -v: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/58332afe/ the USB key is the last one in the list. and my dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/da1794ed/ |
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| 07:23.19 | ChrisH | sephii: dmesg lines 1021- you can see your stick gets detected. |
| 07:24.40 | sephii | ChrisH: that's when I loaded the module manually ;) |
| 07:25.23 | ChrisH | sephii: line 803 it detects aleady a wifi device |
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| 07:26.01 | sephii | ChrisH: I also have an internal wifi device |
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| 07:29.35 | ChrisH | sephii: without a deeper search do you have firmware-ralink installed? I still assume its a missing firmwaer issue. |
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| 07:30.10 | sephii | ChrisH: yes it is: firmware-ralink: Installed: 0.36 |
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| 07:31.09 | sephii | ChrisH: maybe I need a version of the rt2800usb that's not in the current kernel…? although that seems weird since the guy on wikidevi said it works on 3.1… |
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| 07:32.56 | ChrisH | sephii: Please check http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb for details |
| 07:34.05 | ChrisH | sephii: and as I saw its a Laptop, do yourself a favour and add some powercyles during the tests. I have an issue with my UMTS Modem as it does not work allways after any kind of suspend. |
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| 07:34.59 | smhar | greetings |
| 07:35.32 | smhar | I just got myself a Dell 5520 i5 laptop that I upgraded to 8GB RAM. I installed debian wheezy on it using net install. I managed to configure eth but wifi still does not work. |
| 07:35.39 | osfd_ | I have the same problem with thunderbird though |
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| 07:35.56 | smhar | not sure if this is a driver or hardware problem |
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| 07:37.46 | sephii | ChrisH: alright I'll try that, thanks |
| 07:38.52 | morteza | how to stop gnome? I haven't any file in /etc/init.d/dgm |
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| 07:39.06 | simonlnu | smhar: missing firmware? |
| 07:39.31 | simonlnu | morteza: what debian release? |
| 07:40.02 | morteza | simonlnu: I'm using ubuntu but , in debian 7 |
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| 07:40.29 | simonlnu | morteza: whowhat? is it debian or not? |
| 07:40.55 | morteza | simonlnu: no |
| 07:41.37 | simonlnu | you're better off asking in #ubuntu then |
| 07:42.01 | ChrisH | smhar: check dmesg for messages, warning, errors or hint to missing firmware |
| 07:42.07 | simonlnu | (FYI, it's probably "gdm3") |
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| 07:44.58 | blackshirt | what is differences between linux-gate.so and linux-vdso.so ? |
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| 07:48.01 | babilen | blackshirt: You might want to provide more details -- Right now I would answer "the name" or "the substring between - and . (gate, vdso)" |
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| 07:49.22 | Mysterytrain | not strictly /debian/ related but I'm here so I thought I'd ask: what's a good, simple to use cli music converter that doesn't take up too much room and gets the job done? |
| 07:49.44 | blackshirt | babilen, when we use ldd to show library dependencies ... some show linux-gate.so on one system, and some time show linux-vdso.so on other system, |
| 07:50.01 | ChrisH | Mysterytrain: sox |
| 07:50.41 | Mysterytrain | ChrisH: package or tarball? |
| 07:50.42 | babilen | seconds sox |
| 07:50.51 | ChrisH | ,v sox |
| 07:50.52 | judd | Package: sox on i386 -- lenny: 14.0.1-2+b1; squeeze: 14.3.1-1; sid: 14.4.0-3; wheezy: 14.4.0-3 |
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| 07:50.56 | Mysterytrain | k |
| 07:51.30 | Mysterytrain | it's going to earn its keep. got two thousand files to do |
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| 07:51.45 | babilen | ,file linux-gate.so |
| 07:51.51 | babilen | ,file linux-vdso.so |
| 07:51.55 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 07:52.02 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
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| 07:52.45 | babilen | blackshirt: What is the software in question and how do those systems differ? As you can see (^^^) those libraries don't seen to be in Debian at all. I honestely have no idea what you are really talking about. Looks like different libraries -- Why do you think they should be the same and how is this related to Debian? |
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| 07:55.09 | ChrisH | babilen,blackshirt ldd -v /bin/ls shows it.. and here some explanation I found with simple google search http://blogs.igalia.com/aperez/2009/01/13/the-story-of-linux-gatevdsoso/ |
| 07:56.11 | babilen | ChrisH: yay! |
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| 08:01.24 | sephii | ChrisH: I'm rebuilding my kernel w/ the "rt2800usb - include support for unknown (USB) devices" according to wikidev, let's see if it works... (the "have you tried turning it off and on again?" solution didn't) |
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| 08:08.37 | dym | Is anyone good with procmail? im trying to extract a subject from an email and pass it to a file. This doesnt seem to work: http://pastebin.com/dJYEzUDy and end with "procmail: Error while writing to " echo "$MATCH" >> /home/fax/test123" |
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| 08:11.54 | babilen | dym: What happens if you drop the "" ? I typically only use $MATCH to specify mailboxes like in http://paste.debian.net/191126/ (catch-all for every Debian mailing list) |
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| 08:13.39 | dym | babilen: Kein Fehler, aber test123 bleibt leer. |
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| 08:14.10 | dym | babilen: sorry - no error but test123 remains empty |
| 08:14.17 | dym | babilen: instant languageswitch :D |
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| 08:14.53 | dym | babilen: I just need the mails subject, cause i want to use it in another script |
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| 08:25.16 | babilen | dym: Ok - Let's see. |
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| 08:28.55 | babilen | dym: Does "| tee -a /home/fax/test123" append the complete mail? |
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| 08:31.32 | babilen | dym: Oh, I see at least one mistake. You need to use "\/" in your rule to signal where you want a match to start. |
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| 08:32.49 | babilen | dym: Try without "" and a match such as: "* ^Subject:\/.+" -- Please also try if the method with tee works for the entire mail. |
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| 08:33.29 | babilen | dym: (Und falls Du dieses Problem auch nocht irgendwo auf Deutsch diskutierst können wir auch dort fortfahren) |
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| 08:34.35 | simonlnu | he's gonna time out, watch |
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| 08:43.07 | afuentes | what are env variables SSH_CLIENT and SSH_CONNECTION? |
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| 08:44.02 | joltcan | afuentes: host IP and port info for your ssh connection |
| 08:44.38 | joltcan | afuentes: I use that to set different .profile settings depending on which host I'm connecting from |
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| 08:45.09 | smhar | greetings |
| 08:45.18 | smhar | I just got myself a Dell 5520 i5 laptop that I upgraded to 8GB RAM. I installed debian wheezy on it using net install. I managed to configure eth but wifi still does not work. |
| 08:46.05 | afuentes | joltcan, so this variables are set before sourcing .bashrc? |
| 08:47.07 | joltcan | afuentes: yes |
| 08:47.30 | babilen | smhar: Could you show me the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please? |
| 08:47.33 | joltcan | afuentes: they are set before running .(bash_|whatnot)profile |
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| 08:49.57 | ChrisH | smhar: did you do what I told you 1h ago? |
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| 08:50.46 | afuentes | thank you joltcan |
| 08:52.15 | smhar | ChrisH, 08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4365] (rev 01) |
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| 08:54.44 | ChrisH | smhar: I asedk you to check dmesg for warning, errors or indications of missing firmware. |
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| 08:56.33 | babilen | ,pciid 14e4:4365 |
| 08:56.34 | judd | [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4365 |
| 08:57.08 | babilen | smhar: That wifi adaptor doesn't seem to be supported by any version of the Linux kernel at all :-/ |
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| 08:57.21 | babilen | smhar: Is it built-in or a USB one? |
| 08:58.07 | smhar | babilen, it is the built-in |
| 08:58.28 | babilen | There are, however, a bunch of matches google comes up with when you search for the PCIID (14e4:4365) -- The titles of some indicate that it might be possible to get support. Lets investigate further.. |
| 08:58.45 | smhar | babilen, this laptop is a dell laptop that comes with ubuntu pre-installed |
| 08:59.25 | sobrediggler | you mean a preinstalled os doesn't include drivers for the camera? |
| 08:59.26 | babilen | smhar: Ok, was it working with Ubuntu and can you still access Ubuntu? |
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| 08:59.57 | smhar | ChrisH, dmeg: [ 0.743374] pci 0000:08:00.0: [14e4:4365] type 0 class 0x000280 |
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| 09:01.04 | smhar | babilen, not sure, as the shop technician formatted it and installed windows :-) which I formatted and installed debian wheezy |
| 09:01.08 | babilen | wonders if broadcom's wl driver supports that device |
| 09:01.38 | simonlnu | linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
| 09:01.39 | babilen | smhar: Ok, it would just have been easier to actually check the configuration of a working system. |
| 09:01.50 | babilen | simonlnu: You reckon? |
| 09:02.09 | simonlnu | googled it |
| 09:02.20 | babilen | simonlnu: It has "supported=no" in the table :) |
| 09:02.38 | babilen | I guess that wl is the only chance, but let me finish reading the articles |
| 09:02.56 | simonlnu | yeh.. :/ |
| 09:03.16 | simonlnu | no alt. either |
| 09:03.45 | babilen | ,v broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 09:03.47 | judd | Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on i386 -- sid/non-free: 5.100.82.112-7; wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-7 |
| 09:03.49 | simonlnu | apt-get install firmware-b43-installer |
| 09:03.56 | simonlnu | supposedly |
| 09:04.02 | simonlnu | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Ubuntu.2FDebian |
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| 09:06.31 | simonlnu | ,v firmware-b43-installer |
| 09:06.33 | judd | Package: firmware-b43-installer on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 4.150.10.5-4; sid/contrib: 1:015-14; wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14 |
| 09:08.04 | dutchfish | hi, how can i see which mirror has been used on update when sources.list contains http://http.debian.net/debian as apt source in Debian testing? |
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| 09:08.22 | smhar | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/191143/ |
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| 09:09.17 | simonlnu | wget --timeout=60 http://www.lwfinger.com/b43-firmware/broadcom-wl-5.100.138.tar.bz2 |
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| 09:09.32 | simonlnu | basically, from postinst |
| 09:09.43 | smhar | babilen, but I assume that Dell will not sell a laptop with a pre-installed os that has some important device not working |
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| 09:09.52 | babilen | simonlnu: AFAICT b43 doesn't support that device -- There seems to be a bcm43142-dkms-6.20.55.19 version somewhere (as indicated in, for example, http://askubuntu.com/questions/175104/how-do-i-install-bcm43142-wireless-drivers-for-dell-vostro-3460-3560) but I haven't yet found the upstream source or repositories from the manufacturer |
| 09:09.55 | smhar | babilen, as wifi to a laptop |
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| 09:10.10 | ChrisH | smhar: from that paste, onlyforware for your grafic card is missing. but I think was discussed already |
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| 09:10.45 | simonlnu | nods |
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| 09:11.01 | babilen | smhar: They obviously provide drivers (that are not in the kernel) for Ubuntu precise that comes pre-installed. I am still trying to hunt those down and, in particular, find a reliable source that is better than "Downbload these .debs from Dropbox/random website" |
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| 09:12.06 | smhar | babilen, maybe I should email Dell and ask them! |
| 09:12.24 | afidegnum | Hello, pls I am trying to write a shell script which will allow me to tar $file.gz and remove the .gz file from the folder. how can I formulate the script? |
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| 09:13.24 | vaq | Hello, I created a ramdisk with mknod /dev/ram1 b 1 1 mkfs.ext4 /dev/ram1, the size is 512M... However when running a simple dd if of it seems that the ramdisk is slower than the normal disk.. Isn't a ramdisk supposed to be a lot faster? |
| 09:14.56 | ChrisH | afidegnum: You want to archive gzip'ed files into a tar-archiv and remove the original files? |
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| 09:15.49 | ChrisH | afidegnum: if yes: man tar and search for --remove-files |
| 09:15.56 | afidegnum | no. I want to extract... euh, is it untar.. tar -xvf file.gz |
| 09:16.20 | babilen | smhar: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-certification/+question/200767 which mentions the (also untrusted and not recommended) http://wielki.tk/vostro/ -- I am taking a short break and will try to find the upstream for those drivers. |
| 09:17.05 | vaq | Hello, I created a ramdisk with mknod /dev/ram1 b 1 1 mkfs.ext4 /dev/ram1, the size is 512M... However when running a simple dd if of it seems that the ramdisk is slower than the normal disk.. Isn't a ramdisk supposed to be a lot faster? - dd if=/dev/zero of=null bs=1024 count=400000 in /mnt where /dev/ram1 is mounted = 409600000 bytes (410 MB) copied, 6.56748 s, 62.4 MB/s |
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| 09:17.52 | thewanderer1 | smhar, have you tried Broadcom's proprietary drivers, wl? |
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| 09:18.16 | ChrisH | afidegnum: I suggest to first formulate your objective in pseudp code and put the idea on paste.debian.net |
| 09:18.26 | babilen | dutchfish, smhar: Also check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/923809 |
| 09:18.40 | afidegnum | ChrisH: ok, hold on |
| 09:19.32 | smhar | babilen, I appreciate your efforts, thanks alot |
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| 09:19.52 | ksk | vaq: there is linux disk-caching, which always comes in place - so a ramdisk will not be faster then "disk" in many cases |
| 09:19.57 | smhar | thewanderer1, no, not yet. not sure if they support this chipset |
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| 09:20.16 | vaq | ksk: hmm, but when saving in ram, it shouldn't cause disk I/O ? |
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| 09:20.35 | thewanderer1 | smhar, if Broadcom doesn't support Broadcom, this means you're in hell ;P |
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| 09:22.17 | smhar | thewanderer1, I meant this chipset as in this particular chipset (14e4:4365) |
| 09:22.21 | afidegnum | pls anyone know a command that will split large csv files into smaller chunk ? |
| 09:22.42 | ChrisH | afidegnum: have a look at cvstool |
| 09:22.44 | thewanderer1 | smhar, if you've got wheezy already, install the wl driver from non-free and find out :P |
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| 09:23.30 | thewanderer1 | afidegnum, and how is this different from splitting any file into smaller files, line-based? |
| 09:23.43 | ksk | vaq: should not |
| 09:23.44 | brokencycle | Hi! I have once installed a 3.3 kernel from an archive, and now don't find anything newer than 3.2. |
| 09:23.59 | brokencycle | Also no bug reports, nor any other package info, as if the package never existed. |
| 09:24.12 | babilen | I am still wondering where people got version 6.20.55.19 of the broadcom sta drivers (broadcom-sta-source in Debian) from -- http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php doesn't list that version *at all* |
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| 09:24.23 | afidegnum | imagine a large csv files thewanderer1 yes that's what I am looking for |
| 09:24.48 | thewanderer1 | afidegnum, you could write a simple bash script, or python, or php... pick your poison ;P |
| 09:25.19 | afidegnum | imagine a large csv file of 6MB. I just want to 500kb or 600 lines of it, to be processed. hence 7MB / 600kb where each file will have their csv headers as the original csv file |
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| 09:25.45 | thewanderer1 | define "csv headers" |
| 09:25.58 | thewanderer1 | first line? first 2 lines? |
| 09:26.43 | afidegnum | first line |
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| 09:27.17 | thewanderer1 | guess what, you've just come up with an algorithm - now, need to translate this into code and voila :P |
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| 09:27.27 | Blazemore | Is there any harm in doing apt-get -t squeeze-backports dist-upgrade |
| 09:27.42 | thewanderer1 | Blazemore, it probably wouldn't work. and yes. |
| 09:27.49 | afidegnum | apart from csvtool, what else do we have? |
| 09:28.05 | Blazemore | thewanderer1: It's proposing a few application updates when I do that, nothing scary |
| 09:28.29 | Blazemore | gstreamer, vlc, network-manager... nothing horrible like libc or gnome |
| 09:28.58 | thewanderer1 | Blazemore, do not upgrade network-manager - it won't work better than it already does, and has potential for breaking on a Wheezy upgrade :P |
| 09:29.26 | Blazemore | OK thanks |
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| 09:34.35 | afidegnum | it seems the split command can split files into smaller chunk, what about appending a first line to other chuncked files? |
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| 09:34.58 | thewanderer1 | afidegnum, write a script which will do that :P |
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| 09:36.03 | babilen | smhar: Ok, so summarise: I can't really find official sources for the driver you need to install and it looks as if some Ubuntu developer was given access to a beta version of it by broadcom. That driver doesn't seem to be available from any *trusted* sources, but you can download it from http://wielki.tk/vostro/ (wlan_amd64.deb or wireless-bcm43142-oneiric-dkms_6.20.55.19 *shrug*) -- Those packages do, however, target oneiric which is an older ... |
| 09:36.09 | babilen | ... Ubuntu release. I don't expect them to work on Debian (at least not Squeeze) and I can also not vouch for their integrity. |
| 09:36.42 | Blazemore | tl;dr try it but be prepared for breakage? |
| 09:36.49 | babilen | smhar: In short: That wireless adaptor is a horrible piece of crap and I would return that laptop to Dell as soon as possible and exchange it for something with better linux support. |
| 09:37.09 | Blazemore | What's the best way to search an entire filesystem for a string? I'm using find / -type -f | xargs grep foo |
| 09:37.23 | Blazemore | But I don't think that will give me the filename where the string is found |
| 09:37.34 | vaq | Hello, I created a ramdisk with mknod /dev/ram1 b 1 1 mkfs.ext4 /dev/ram1, the size is 512M... However when running a simple dd if of it seems that the ramdisk is slower than the normal disk.. Isn't a ramdisk supposed to be a lot faster? - dd if=/dev/zero of=null bs=1024 count=400000 in /mnt where /dev/ram1 is mounted = 409600000 bytes (410 MB) copied, 6.56748 s, 62.4 MB/s |
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| 09:37.58 | ChrisH | Blazemore: grep -l will do |
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| 09:40.46 | zetheroo | Running KVM in Squeeze we are not able to configure the VM's with Bridged Lan connections so that they are accessible directly from remote locations ... Is this something Wheezy will fix? |
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| 09:44.26 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, no, Wheezy will not fix anything if you don't know what you are doing |
| 09:45.04 | vaq | Hello, I created a ramdisk with mknod /dev/ram1 b 1 1 mkfs.ext4 /dev/ram1, the size is 512M... However when running a simple dd if of it seems that the ramdisk is slower than the normal disk.. Isn't a ramdisk supposed to be a lot faster? - dd if=/dev/zero of=null bs=1024 count=400000 in /mnt where /dev/ram1 is mounted = (410 MB) copied, 6.56748 s, 62.4 MB/s - According to http://www.krenger.ch/blog/linux-ramdisk-with-tmpfs/ and others it should be up to 70% |
| 09:45.12 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: so are you saying that this works in Squeeze but that we just don't know what we are doing? |
| 09:45.38 | colo-work | works for me(tm) :) |
| 09:45.55 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, I say you need to find the cause, before resorting to an upgrade |
| 09:46.11 | thewanderer1 | are you using vanilla KVM, or libvirt? |
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| 09:46.50 | a_meteorite | Oh... my god. So anyone who saw my earlier saga with a dual Intel gigabit NIC... I figured it out. |
| 09:46.55 | a_meteorite | It should have been obvious. |
| 09:47.05 | a_meteorite | It was my cable modem. >_< |
| 09:47.07 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: I am not sure what the test case was using ... I'll have to ask the guy who was running it .. |
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| 09:47.17 | a_meteorite | That thing has really started to annoy me now. |
| 09:47.30 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: but with either one has this feature been proven to work? |
| 09:47.35 | blackshirt | a_meteorite, what the problem? |
| 09:47.58 | a_meteorite | blackshirt: Intel-based gigabit NIC would not pull DHCP at all |
| 09:48.18 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, I've used bridging with KVM, yes |
| 09:48.24 | a_meteorite | Under both Arch and Debian. It was used so I wasn't sure if the hardware was at fault. |
| 09:48.36 | sharky2 | hello ppl, do you know how to remove the mapping of the network card in debian, i added new one on pci slot and the old shows now as "eth1-eth0", i have tried to delete everything in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, but maybe there is more to do |
| 09:48.37 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: in Squeeze? |
| 09:48.40 | a_meteorite | I tried another mobo, which also had an onboard gigabit NIC and it failed. |
| 09:48.47 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, in Lenny, Squeeze, and Wheezy |
| 09:48.54 | a_meteorite | So finally I hooked it straight up to my laptop and ran a DHCP server. Voila! It worked. |
| 09:48.57 | sephii | ChrisH: so my wifi dongle works with the new kernel. do you know where I should report the vendor string so that it gets added to the module? to the rt2x00 project or to debian? |
| 09:49.06 | a_meteorite | Only after 6 hours or so, maybe more, of playing with it. |
| 09:49.15 | a_meteorite | Now I just need to see how to get my cable modem to play nice. |
| 09:49.22 | bullgard4 | 'man uxterm': " uxterm is a wrapper around the xterm(1) program that invokes the latter program with the ‘UXTerm’ X resource class set." What is a »X ressource class set«? |
| 09:49.26 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, the default script shipped with KVM is somewhat flaky, so I usually resort to libvirt - makes life easier |
| 09:49.34 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: sounds great - can you tell me how you configured this or is there any documentation for this? |
| 09:49.44 | ChrisH | sephii: reportbug |
| 09:50.00 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: we are using libvirt I was just told |
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| 09:50.29 | a_meteorite | So far the commonality is gigabit. How should I force it to 100 Mb? |
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| 09:50.47 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, with libvirt, it's really simple. on the other hand, the default "virtual networks" that libvirt assumes you want, are really NAT+routed subnets, which is not what you usually want - just use "shared device name" and input an already existing bridge. |
| 09:50.56 | ChrisH | a_meteorite: why do you want to force anything ? |
| 09:51.13 | sharky2 | a_meteorite, i think you can use ethtool for that |
| 09:51.17 | L3top | weird... I have a 3m touchscreen and when I run the install script it works as expected, but when I create a .deb package and install it, it somehow shows in /etc/input/js0. Any idea why this occurs? |
| 09:51.45 | a_meteorite | ChrisH: Read up. It seems my cable modem won't give out DHCP to gigabit NICs. I'm concluding that there's something weird there. |
| 09:51.51 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, what I usually do is define a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces with ethX, which is the network I want the VMs to join, and then attach all VMs to that shared device (there's a manual input box for this). |
| 09:51.57 | a_meteorite | I can't explain that, but he. |
| 09:52.12 | L3top | we have a game pad handler and it causes problems with my touchscreen... otherwise I wouldn't know this I am sure. |
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| 09:52.34 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: what do you mean by "manual input box"? |
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| 09:52.48 | ChrisH | a_meteorite: man ethtool |
| 09:52.53 | a_meteorite | ChrisH: thanks |
| 09:53.09 | a_meteorite | I wonder if I can put that in some configuration... |
| 09:53.10 | ChrisH | a_meteorite: or man mii-tool |
| 09:53.33 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, virt-manager's NIC configuration has a bridging section, where you select the bridge to attach to, it lets you enter a device name by hand. |
| 09:54.33 | sephii | ChrisH: against? linux-image-...? |
| 09:54.43 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: is there any useful documentation you know of for this kind of setup? |
| 09:55.02 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: I am being told that all the steps you mentioned were already taken without success |
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| 09:55.41 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, are you using a "virtual network", as defined in libvirt, or a bridge that already existed? what are the symptoms of no success? |
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| 09:56.49 | ChrisH | sephii: udev rules? |
| 09:57.38 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: a bridge was created in the /etc/network/interfaces file and then that bridge was used in virt-manager |
| 09:58.43 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: could not access the outside systems from within the VM |
| 09:59.40 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, does the bridge contain any real interface via which the traffic can travel to the "outside systems"? |
| 10:00.01 | thewanderer1 | this is probably a routing or L2 forwarding problem, doesn't sound related to KVM |
| 10:00.42 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: eth0 was reconfigured to be the bridge - I am told |
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| 10:02.08 | thewanderer1 | first, check if the venet* device gets assigned to the bridge, if the subnets are set correctly, and if there's no offending iptables rules |
| 10:02.12 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: does this look correct to you? http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-a-debian-squeeze-server |
| 10:02.15 | brokencycle | if i 'shutdown -h now' my system, as of recently, the result is an unclean raid on the partition that holds / |
| 10:02.17 | bullgard4 | 'man uxterm': " uxterm is a wrapper around the xterm(1) program that invokes the latter program with the ‘UXTerm’ X resource class set." What is a »X ressource class set«? |
| 10:02.28 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: because this is what was followed ... more or less |
| 10:02.51 | brokencycle | how can i discover the exact cause, and/or repair this situation? I'm on 3.3.0... 686-pae (3.3.4*) |
| 10:03.02 | sephii | ChrisH: I think it was the rt2800usb kernel module that didn't recognize the product id, right? I don't really know how this works but there are lots of aliases in rt2800usb module, and each corresponds to a vendor/product id, and mine is not in this list |
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| 10:03.57 | zetheroo | thewanderer1: how does one do this? "check if the venet* device gets assigned to the bridge" |
| 10:04.08 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, `brctl show` and inspect the list of bridges :P |
| 10:04.28 | ChrisH | sephii: could be, you did the tests and must decide this. But if the bug is wrong it should be reassign to the correct group/Q/how ever they are named |
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| 10:06.27 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.43 | sharky2 | i think i have found the answer myself, so for name and order mapping of the network cards like eth0 eth1 depends on cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules which is enough to set |
| 10:06.44 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, yes, although virt-install is mostly useless - you can do the same with virt-manager |
| 10:06.49 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:06.56 | thewanderer1 | yeah, the bridge is fine |
| 10:06.58 | sephii | ChrisH: alright, thanks |
| 10:07.23 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:09.20 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, when it's ready. I use sid's KVM and libvirt at home, but it still has minor quirks - better to wait |
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| 10:10.22 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.26 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, when it's released, no. oldstable->stable upgrades are usually very smooth... |
| 10:10.33 | thewanderer1 | one month is too short ;P |
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| 10:11.09 | bullgard4 | Does installing the package »reportbug« automatically install also the program mutt? |
| 10:11.12 | zetheroo | I mean for Wheezy to be released stable .. |
| 10:11.37 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, yes |
| 10:11.44 | thewanderer1 | more like 6, but we shall see |
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| 10:12.38 | zetheroo | thanks for the input ... at least we know now that our bridge issue is not one that is impossible to remedy in Squeeze .. |
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| 10:15.14 | thewanderer1 | I run a small, rusty weblog at rkaw.pl with some KVM-related info, not sure if there's anything relevant to what you are doing - but it'd show as the last entry in Google, so pointing out just in case there is |
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| 10:23.47 | bullgard4 | 'man uxterm': " uxterm is a wrapper around the xterm(1) program that invokes the latter program with the ‘UXTerm’ X resource class set." What is a »X ressource class set«? |
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| 10:24.51 | themill | bullgard4: googling "X resource class set" gives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_resources |
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| 10:34.57 | zetheroo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.31 | thewanderer1 | zetheroo, yes, rkaw.pl , and it mostly deals with obscure things you'd never expect to do (VT-d) :P |
| 10:35.43 | zetheroo | ah ok |
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| 10:43.58 | bullgard4 | themill: ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_resources does not answer the question which I have put. |
| 10:44.18 | themill | seems to answer it to me |
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| 10:45.40 | themill | (and if that doesn't then the third and fourth google hits go into more detail) |
| 10:45.45 | Blazemore | Has anyone used H-Sphere? |
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| 11:13.02 | cusco | hi |
| 11:13.33 | cusco | I used to have a '/sys/block/md0/md/sync_action' |
| 11:13.57 | cusco | and I used to write 'check' in there, and see progress in /proc/mdstat |
| 11:14.09 | cusco | but 'sync_action' no longer exists there |
| 11:14.27 | cusco | this, while using wheezy... any one knows anything about this? |
| 11:15.19 | colo-work | eh? can you nopaste `ls -l /sys/block/md0/md/`? |
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| 11:16.09 | cusco | ok |
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| 11:16.29 | cusco | http://paste.debian.net/191176/ |
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| 11:36.17 | cusco | well? |
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| 11:40.46 | Zmanu | hello |
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| 11:42.01 | Zmanu | is it possible to use wayland under debian instead of Xorg ? |
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| 11:42.51 | metaphysician | is linux 3.5 available for squeeze? |
| 11:44.05 | babilen | metaphysician: You can compile it yourself, but it is not in backports (, wheezy or sid fwiw) |
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| 11:44.15 | babilen | ,kernels |
| 11:44.16 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 11:44.23 | themill | metaphysician: you can grab the packages from experimental and they work with squeeze up to the point where you will not be able to compile any out-of-tree modules with it |
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| 11:45.14 | babilen | Zmanu: Why do you need 3.5? Would using 3.2 be an option? Do you use out-of-tree modules (fglrx, nvidia, openafs, ... ) ? |
| 11:45.49 | Zmanu | babilen: you want to answer to metaphysician i think |
| 11:45.58 | babilen | yes, indeed |
| 11:46.03 | babilen | metaphysician: ^^^^ |
| 11:46.47 | themill | Zmanu: the bits of wayland that are not vapourware are in debian already. You can count the number of people using it on one hand, however |
| 11:47.29 | babilen | ,v libwayland0 |
| 11:47.30 | judd | Package: libwayland0 on i386 -- sid: 0.85.0-2; wheezy: 0.85.0-2 |
| 11:47.32 | metaphysician | there is a patch that supposedly solves my Intel 845G graphics problem in linux 3.5 |
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| 11:47.40 | themill | ,popcon weston |
| 11:47.42 | judd | Popcon data for weston: inst: 5, vote: 0, old: 4, recent: 1, nofiles: 0 |
| 11:48.02 | babilen | Literally one hand :D |
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| 11:48.27 | themill | metaphysician: that may well have been backported to the squeeze-backports kernel and squeeze-backports xorg. Both teams have been quite proactive in backporting intel driver fixes. |
| 11:49.26 | babilen | metaphysician: Has that bug been reported to Debian? I guess that the kernel team would be happy to hear about it if not as this would allow them to backport the fix. Have you tried the backported kernel (See "/msg dpkg bdo kernel") ? |
| 11:49.44 | metaphysician | themill: they do? great! |
| 11:49.46 | babilen | metaphysician: Oh, and "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" as well .. |
| 11:49.58 | metaphysician | will try backported kernel |
| 11:50.14 | themill | metaphysician: you will also find better intel graphics support in wheezy than what you find in squeeze-backports. You could consider that an option if the bpo kernel +xorg isn't enough |
| 11:50.16 | babilen | metaphysician: We don't know if that particular patch has been backported, but it might be the case. Can you provide more information on that patch and bug so that we can check? |
| 11:50.18 | themill | dpkg: tell metaphysician about bpo xorg |
| 11:51.09 | metaphysician | babilen: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7bd4c25650704d4d065eb4ce2a122d2a80ce804 |
| 11:51.20 | babilen | metaphysician: Has that bug been reported? |
| 11:51.20 | metaphysician | ^ it's in 3.5rc1 |
| 11:51.42 | metaphysician | babilen: in Debian Bug tracker? not sure. |
| 11:52.06 | Zmanu | themill: so best way is to wait, and add one to the number of people using wayland |
| 11:53.40 | metaphysician | babilen: this bug https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49041 |
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| 11:55.12 | babilen | metaphysician: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=648348 ? |
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| 11:56.45 | metaphysician | babilen: yes. |
| 11:56.57 | babilen | metaphysician: Ok, thanks. |
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| 12:00.01 | Hejbop | is it possible to update the kernel to 3.3 or newer in debian. I tried using the aptosid mirrors to do this as i usually do, but i get missmatch errors. |
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| 12:00.29 | Hejbop | my hybrid gfx card requires 3.3 or newer. |
| 12:01.38 | esto | is there any reason why http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ is not updated since 3 days ? |
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| 12:06.06 | metaphysician | babilen: ping me if you need feedback |
| 12:06.13 | abrotman | a_meteorite: figure it out? |
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| 12:08.22 | babilen | metaphysician: Ah, ok. I am taking a lunch break now and will provide additional information to that bug later. You have three options: 1. Try the backported kernel and xorg ("/msg dpkg bdo kernel" "/msg dpkg bdo xorg") 2. Try the 3.5 kernel in experimental 3. Upgrade to wheezy .... Oh, and then there is also: 4. Upgrade to wheezy and try the 3.5 kernel in experimental until the bug has been fixed. |
| 12:08.32 | babilen | ... so close ... |
| 12:08.53 | themill | esto: there were other problems reported the other day with extracting info from the bts. Perhaps related and perhaps this is a useful data point. |
| 12:09.11 | SiDz | anyone got a working isc-dhcp-server that is starting dhcpd6.conf and dhcp.conf at the same time? |
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| 12:09.33 | SiDz | for now i just cp the init.d script to isc-dhcp6-server |
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| 12:10.00 | SiDz | added a -6 to all command that call dhcpd, and 6 to pid.. etc |
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| 12:14.58 | a_meteorite | abrotman: yup, it was my modem's fault all along |
| 12:15.07 | a_meteorite | apparently it does not like some gigabit NICs |
| 12:15.38 | a_meteorite | I locked the available autonegotiation speed to 100Mb/FDX and it's playing nicely now |
| 12:16.07 | a_meteorite | I have no idea why my cable modem hates some gigabit NICs, but oh well... |
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| 12:19.04 | FilipeMaia | Hi. Does anyone know where I can get a debian installer that will install on imsm arrays (Intel Matrix sataraid)? |
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| 12:19.27 | FilipeMaia | My biggest problem at the moment is mdmon not being included in the installer which means the array is in read only mode |
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| 12:21.53 | blackshirt | FilipeMaia: md not included in debian-installer ? |
| 12:22.03 | FilipeMaia | blackshirt: mdadm yes mdmon no |
| 12:22.21 | FilipeMaia | blackshirt: my problem is basically the same as bug #684708 |
| 12:22.31 | FilipeMaia | To which there is a patch |
| 12:22.48 | FilipeMaia | But I don't know how to make my own image with the patch applied |
| 12:22.53 | blackshirt | FilipeMaia: actually, i don't know why .. but maybe you want d-i from kamuto.jp |
| 12:22.58 | blackshirt | !kamuto |
| 12:23.08 | blackshirt | tell FilipeMaia about kamuto |
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| 12:23.20 | blackshirt | !tell FilipeMaia about kamuto |
| 12:23.26 | FilipeMaia | !kmuto |
| 12:23.26 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 12:23.45 | blackshirt | yes.. |
| 12:23.50 | FilipeMaia | This is not really a question of lacking drivers |
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| 12:24.01 | abrotman | a_meteorite: oh, that stinks |
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| 12:24.13 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: please msg the bot |
| 12:24.30 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: a newer kernel wouldn't work ? |
| 12:24.42 | FilipeMaia | abrotman: no. It's the installer that lacks mdmon |
| 12:24.55 | FilipeMaia | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684708 |
| 12:25.30 | a_meteorite | abrotman: yeah... luckily I don't have a 100 Mbit+ plan, but it's still annoying (especially after spending hours on it) |
| 12:25.35 | FilipeMaia | The solution seems to be to include mdmon in the udeb package but i don't know how to do that or quite what it means |
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| 12:29.16 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 12:29.40 | abrotman | FilipeMaia: not sure how far that'll get you, but it's a start |
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| 12:38.12 | FilipeMaia | I copied mdmon from another system by hand |
| 12:38.22 | FilipeMaia | It seems to have worked for now |
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| 12:39.34 | blackshirt | FilipeMaia: greats |
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| 12:43.36 | FilipeMaia | Also had to partition by hand with fdisk as the installer didn't want to partition an imsm device |
| 12:43.39 | FilipeMaia | but it worked |
| 12:43.55 | FilipeMaia | will see if grub wants to install |
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| 12:48.52 | phaidros | hi, I am experiencing trouble I haven't seen before with an ext4 fs. Using vmware, I have a debian wheezy vm with ext4. for developer convenience purposes I had to enable ACLs so the team can work together, without g+w permission hassles. |
| 12:49.00 | phaidros | now I am seeing heavy wait IO, "mkdir test" - while rsyncing data to the partitions - takes 5 (!) minutes |
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| 12:49.14 | phaidros | I tried several ways of mount the ext4, here is what I currently use: acl,noatime,nouser_xattr,nobarrier,delalloc |
| 12:49.34 | phaidros | since no of the tried options seem to have a signifcant impact in the IO performance :( |
| 12:49.49 | phaidros | system is wheeze. |
| 12:50.07 | phaidros | is there any way to find out, whatis slowing down the system that heacvy? |
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| 12:50.23 | phaidros | I mean, ACLs are surely a bit epxensive, but *that* ? |
| 12:50.42 | phaidros | wait is around 80, a cp process doenst kill for ~1-2minutes .. |
| 12:50.53 | FilipeMaia | I was being too optimistic, both grub and lilo don't want to install |
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| 12:51.59 | Parhs | hello guys |
| 12:52.07 | Parhs | why php stable is still 5.3.3 ?? |
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| 12:52.18 | abrotman | Parhs: because that's how stable works |
| 12:52.22 | abrotman | !tell Parhs about meaning of stable |
| 12:52.40 | phaidros | anyone ext4 problem experienced? |
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| 12:53.46 | bullgard4 | I have changed my ~/.bashrc file. What should I do so that this change becomes effective? |
| 12:53.49 | Parhs | so it wont be upgraded for the next few years until new debian is released? |
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| 12:54.04 | bambuss | bullgard4 : relogin? |
| 12:55.07 | themill | Parhs: php 5.4 will be part of the next stable release which will be released early next year |
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| 12:55.46 | Parhs | lol seems legit |
| 12:55.52 | abrotman | bullgard4: source ~/.bashrc |
| 12:55.54 | curfont | Why does gitosis not have a wheezy package? |
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| 12:55.59 | curfont | only squeeze and sid |
| 12:56.12 | abrotman | curfont: check the BTS |
| 12:56.57 | themill | curfont: gitosis isn't in sid either |
| 12:57.38 | themill | ,bug 641010 |
| 12:57.39 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/641010 in ftp.debian.org (done): «RM: gitosis/experimental -- RoM; superseded by gitolite»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-09-09; last modified: 2011-10-23. |
| 12:57.42 | curfont | http://packages.debian.org/sid/gitosis |
| 12:57.44 | curfont | it is |
| 12:58.00 | curfont | oh |
| 12:58.02 | curfont | only as a page |
| 12:58.04 | curfont | no download |
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| 12:59.14 | serotoninaeh | hola |
| 12:59.43 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 13:01.36 | antgel | hi all, i'm trying to build audacious from pkg-multimedia git repo as the one in debian is so buggy. but i get http://pastebin.com/t7QTDrrc - can someone advise? all cryptic to me |
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| 13:02.29 | themill | antgel: you need to fetch the "pristine-tar" branch from the git repo |
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| 13:03.26 | themill | antgel: grabbing the source package from experimental may well be enough though |
| 13:04.28 | joar | I've just set my desktop up with two 1080p screens, and suddenly I got blackscreen and something about NVIDIA VGA BIOS appeared briefly before the machine rebooted. |
| 13:04.31 | antgel | themill: so i do! (git checkout pristine-tar) for some reason i assumed git-buildpackage did all the magic |
| 13:04.34 | antgel | themill++ |
| 13:04.49 | joar | which log file do I check for extra information about this? |
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| 13:05.18 | themill | antgel: g-bp will do all the magic once the branches are there. Working out what branches you should check out is sadly left as an exercise to the reader, sometimes. |
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| 13:14.00 | antgel | next question. i'm trying to play a flac file with audacious via the pulseaudio sink. but audacious just hangs. there is no segfault. any tips on how to debug this? getting rid of PA isn't going to happen, it's the only way my standard desktop apps can easily coexist with my JACK studio apps |
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| 13:21.56 | splitter | Evening. I'm currently evaluating whether I want to use debian stable or testing, for a use-case where I'm in need of a distribution that has a as-long-as-possible support cycle. If I'm on testing, what needs to be done/considered when, say, wheezy becomes stable? Will I need to switch repositories et cetera? |
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| 13:24.39 | abrotman | splitter: for starters, wheezy currently has no security support. |
| 13:24.56 | abrotman | splitter: if you track wheezy instead of testing, you won't have to switch anything at release time |
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| 13:25.54 | splitter | abrotman: I see. Security is not a particularly huge concern, as the box will not be connected to the internet (only local ad-hoc wlan) and only run an sshd. |
| 13:26.44 | splitter | It's a terminal-type thing to display things, the wlan is only really there for me to log in and fix things. |
| 13:26.50 | abrotman | splitter: okay, well, wheezy would have a newer kernel/software, though it'd be more buggy. |
| 13:27.17 | abrotman | splitter: so I'd say to test wheezy to see if it's stable enough for your needs |
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| 13:28.00 | splitter | abrotman: allright, I'll give it a shot. Do you happen to know the exact time (if applicable) for how long wheezy will be supported starting today? |
| 13:28.15 | abrotman | splitter: it's not technically supported today :) |
| 13:28.21 | abrotman | (from a security standpoint) |
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| 13:28.42 | splitter | abrotman: yeah, but I'm mostly concerned about the mirrors disappearing after a few years. |
| 13:28.46 | abrotman | splitter: if you were to look at recent trends, it would be receiving security support for roughly 3 years after release |
| 13:28.53 | abrotman | splitter: there's always archive.debian.org |
| 13:29.04 | splitter | abrotman: right. |
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| 13:31.39 | abrotman | splitter: make sense, sort of? :) |
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| 13:34.01 | splitter | abrotman: yeah. I'm looking through the repos right now to figure out if it has recent-enough versions of the particular software I need. |
| 13:35.53 | thewanderer1 | splitter, rumor has it, if you want really long support, try RHEL with its ultra-expensive support plans... or Ubuntu, with a shuttle worth of long-term support :P |
| 13:36.20 | abrotman | he just said he doesn't want the repos to go away |
| 13:36.24 | abrotman | which they really won't |
| 13:36.32 | thewanderer1 | ah, true... only some URL fixing may be necessary |
| 13:36.44 | thewanderer1 | we still have people using Lenny come here every now and then |
| 13:36.56 | splitter | thewanderer1: I don't really like RHEL... I'm going to consider ubuntu as well. |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | and etch .. and sarge |
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| 13:39.20 | jeredepp | hello i setup a software raid with a lvm on top, and the performance is really really bad (2TB disks), is it normal that i get a performance decrease of nearly 50% or am i doing it wrong (means shouldn't be like that)? |
| 13:39.42 | ChrisH | ,v proxydriver |
| 13:39.43 | judd | No package named 'proxydriver' was found in i386. |
| 13:40.39 | thewanderer1 | jeredepp, 50% is a bit drastic, but I've seen that kind of performance degradation with LVM on mdraid, yes |
| 13:41.06 | jeredepp | thewanderer1: did you make better experience with software raid on lvm? |
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| 13:41.47 | thewanderer1 | you mean, whether I got it fixed? |
| 13:43.19 | TheWarden | Hi, I have TightVNC 1.3.9 installed on Squeeze using LXDE. I ran "vncserver" and it stated a "New 'X' desktop is kiosk-desktop:1". I can see the process "Xtightvnc" running however when I try to connect to the system via VNC nothing happens. |
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| 13:44.41 | mish | русские есть? |
| 13:44.46 | thewanderer1 | !ru |
| 13:44.46 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 13:45.05 | TheWarden | I've had vino provide me VNC before with Gnome but so far with LXDE I'm not having much luck getting VNC to work. |
| 13:46.04 | thewanderer1 | jeredepp, to be honest, I've since migrated to ZFS - it's easier to maintain sensible alignment values there. using a formatting tool that's aware of block layout should help you (assuming the drives have 4KB sectors)... |
| 13:46.28 | thewanderer1 | out of curiosity, are you using LVM as a backend for virtual machines? |
| 13:46.45 | jeredepp | thewanderer1: guess i have to look out for alternatives then |
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| 13:47.36 | thewanderer1 | it should work much nicer if you align the partitions properly |
| 13:47.39 | jeredepp | thewanderer1: no it's just lvm for the db partition, because our database is growing like crazy and last time we ran out of free HDD slots, so we switched to lvm to have to choice to expand the drives |
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| 13:48.24 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden, check the port it's running on, the address it's bound to, and firewall rules |
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| 13:48.36 | mish | так-с |
| 13:48.43 | mish | есть тут кто онлайн? |
| 13:49.04 | mish | ой |
| 13:49.16 | babilen | !ru |
| 13:49.16 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 13:50.01 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I'm looking into that now as I'm not sure what the port is as I assumed it would be the default of 5900. As for firewall, there is no firewall running on the system presently and I'm connecting to a system within the same LAN. |
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| 13:50.38 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden, I think the ":1" means the screen number is 1, so port would be 5900 + 1 |
| 13:51.37 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: oh crap, your kidding. I thought that was the vnc session name. |
| 13:52.10 | thewanderer1 | that's how it always worked for me... O.o |
| 13:52.54 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: I didn't realize that lol. |
| 13:53.44 | TheWarden | thewanderer1: okay, it is working. Awesome, thanks. |
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| 13:54.20 | TheWarden | Now my next question, I've always used VNC to connect to a system to view the current session. However in my current setup it appears to create a new X session. How can I connect to the current X session? |
| 13:58.02 | Shadow` | hmm mv -R/-r doesnt work? keep getting 'mv: cannot move' |
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| 13:59.18 | thewanderer1 | Shadow`, there is no recursive move switch... every move is automatically recursive |
| 13:59.27 | Shadow` | figured, but -f aint working either |
| 13:59.35 | thewanderer1 | what are you trying to do? |
| 13:59.39 | Shadow` | folder is not empty...... |
| 14:00.01 | thewanderer1 | you can't replace directories using mv... cp -a and then remove the source |
| 14:00.11 | Shadow` | cant? i thought i could |
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| 14:00.25 | jelly | Shadow`: it's prone to failure, as you have found out |
| 14:00.33 | thewanderer1 | you could attempt a file-wise merge... best assisted with a script :) |
| 14:00.43 | Shadow` | ye i noticed :P |
| 14:00.48 | jelly | thewanderer1: script? We haff rsync. |
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| 14:01.38 | thewanderer1 | yeah, script around rsync so that it uses hard links :P |
| 14:01.41 | jelly | Shadow`: in general, don't mv directories across mountpoints. Copy and delete instead. |
| 14:02.00 | Shadow` | sucks though :P but ill go do that, thanks both |
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| 14:02.36 | Shadow` | do wonder why noone bothered making mv work with those folders too though |
| 14:04.07 | TheWarden | mm there must be a way as I've done this before many times. mmm |
| 14:04.53 | thewanderer1 | TheWarden: |
| 14:04.56 | thewanderer1 | ,info x11vnc |
| 14:04.57 | judd | Package x11vnc (x11, optional) in squeeze/i386: VNC server to allow remote access to an existing X session. Version: 0.9.10-1.1; Size: 966.8k; Installed: 1996k; Homepage: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 14:09.05 | TheWarden | yes see it says remote access to existing X session. some how mine starts a new X session. mmmm it might be because of my changes I did to the ~/.vnc/xstartup adding exec ck-launch-session startlxde |
| 14:09.26 | TheWarden | mmm nope I removed that last line exec ck-launch-session startlxde and now I dodn't get an X session fully loaded and useable. |
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| 14:29.39 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: It depends on which vnc server you use. |
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| 14:30.06 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Also on who compiled it. Some of the have the option to use a shared session disabled, even though it's documented. |
| 14:30.20 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: The one I've used pluggs directly into the xorg.conf |
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| 14:31.10 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: x11vnc |
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| 14:31.32 | hroi | hi |
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| 14:32.04 | hroi | I want to install debian server, will the debian net install cd have enough packages to do a basic server install? |
| 14:32.11 | hroi | without connecting to internet? |
| 14:33.27 | jhutchins_wk | hroi: Probably won't give you everything you want without a network connection. In fact, I'm not sure it will even run the installer without a network connection. |
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| 14:37.16 | psyclopolis | how can i emulate key strokes programmatically |
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| 14:39.28 | hroi | jhutchins_wk: is the distro CD1 alone enought to get a basic server isntall? |
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| 14:40.03 | themill | hroi: define "basic server" |
| 14:40.51 | hroi | themill: no desktop, just login shell, ehm, able to connect potentially to the internet, kernel and basic drivers and install manager I guess |
| 14:40.57 | themill | hroi: the netinst has openssh-server on it. That's enough. |
| 14:41.48 | hroi | themill: jhutchins_wk: is not sure the netinst will allow me to proceed without internet connection? |
| 14:42.40 | themill | depending on what you ask it to install at the "tasksel" stage, it can complete without an internet connection. You could try it and see. |
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| 14:42.52 | jhutchins_wk | hroi: Yes |
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| 14:43.35 | hroi | themill: so, maybe my best chance is to download all 22 CD's? |
| 14:43.36 | jhutchins_wk | themill: So Debian's netinst doesn't download the actuall installer? |
| 14:43.59 | jhutchins_wk | themill: I know there's some distro where it doesn't even have the installer script on the netinst image. |
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| 14:44.38 | hroi | would be nice to be able to install a stripped down debian from a single CD without network. |
| 14:44.41 | themill | jhutchins_wk: umm... what exactly are you asking? |
| 14:44.43 | hroi | just for now I need this |
| 14:44.56 | themill | hroi: the netinst does this... we've just covered that |
| 14:45.11 | hroi | themill: :) ok great! |
| 14:45.24 | psyclopolis | how does key input work in debian |
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| 14:45.56 | thewanderer1 | psyclopolis, xmacro |
| 14:46.14 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_wk, there's the "business card" ISO images - we're also dropping them for Wheezy release... whee |
| 14:46.55 | redwarriors25 | gud am |
| 14:47.05 | redwarriors25 | where i can direct download debian squeeze |
| 14:47.15 | themill | dpkg: tell redwarriors25 about install debian |
| 14:47.25 | somiaj | redwarriors25: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 14:47.43 | somiaj | redwarriors25: you can update your lenny install to squeeze, just make sure to read all the info and release notes to do it in the correct order. |
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| 14:48.17 | redwarriors25 | how can i use that /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:48.37 | somiaj | just type that into your irc client |
| 14:48.38 | themill | somiaj: did I miss something? I'm not seeing anything about lenny here. |
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| 14:48.55 | somiaj | themill: he was in here lastnight getting lots of help on his lenny server. I'm assuming he is now wanting to update it to squeeze |
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| 14:49.09 | redwarriors25 | ok |
| 14:49.10 | themill | ahh, ok |
| 14:49.11 | somiaj | though he can install a fresh squeeze instance too if he prefers to do that. |
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| 14:49.25 | themill | somiaj: thanks for the background |
| 14:50.08 | psyclopolis | thewanderer1: how can i find what display i am using? |
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| 14:50.28 | thewanderer1 | psyclopolis, echo $DISPLAY |
| 14:50.31 | somiaj | psyclopolis: echo $DISPLAY from an term in your xorg? (or you thinking another display)? |
| 14:52.21 | smhar | greetings |
| 14:52.39 | smhar | I just got myself a Dell 5520 i5 laptop that I upgraded to 8GB RAM. I installed debian wheezy on it using net install. I managed to configure eth but wifi still does not work. |
| 14:52.59 | smhar | this laptop is a dell laptop that comes with ubuntu pre-installed |
| 14:53.29 | smhar | but the shop technician formatted it and installed windows :-) which I formatted and installed debian wheezy |
| 14:53.49 | smhar | http://paste.debian.net/191143/ |
| 14:54.04 | smhar | dmeg: [ 0.743374] pci 0000:08:00.0: [14e4:4365] type 0 class 0x000280 |
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| 14:54.22 | smhar | 08:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:4365] (rev 01) |
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| 14:55.26 | somiaj | ,pciid 14e4:4365 |
| 14:55.28 | judd | [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4365 |
| 14:56.55 | thewanderer1 | smhar, open the laptop, throw away the Broadcom crap, install a proper Intel wireless card |
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| 14:57.29 | smhar | thewanderer1, what do you mean open the laptop?! |
| 14:57.39 | redwarriors25 | @ somiaj not yet because the lenny server is in the office mine in my house where i will dl squeeze |
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| 14:58.41 | Anticom | hi all, i was just installing zabbix-server-mysql using synaptics package manager and now the installation process has hung up it seems |
| 14:58.44 | Anticom | i'm not sure what to do |
| 14:59.01 | Anticom | console says 'populating database via sql...' but nothing seems to happen there |
| 14:59.14 | Anticom | any recommendations on how to coup with this? |
| 14:59.59 | babilen | smhar: I provided you will *all* the inforamtion that is available about that wifi adaptor already. I've given you links to (totally unofficial and probably not applicable) repositories for oneiric packages, several links to relevant bugs, ... What more do you need? |
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| 15:00.47 | thewanderer1 | smhar, I mean a screwdriver... that's what I would do :P |
| 15:00.51 | babilen | smhar: You can either: 1. Return that laptop as soon as you can 2. Run the pre-installed version of Ubuntu with the mysterious drivers or 3. Try the unofficial packages on wheezy/sid |
| 15:02.02 | Anticom | oh it just took some time |
| 15:02.07 | Anticom | forgett about the issue |
| 15:02.20 | babilen | heh :) |
| 15:02.24 | babilen | !next |
| 15:02.24 | dpkg | NEXT PLEASE! |
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| 15:02.32 | babilen | oh :( |
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| 15:03.41 | mnice | hello |
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| 15:04.19 | milo_ | did debian make apt-get, aptitude? |
| 15:04.20 | mnice | would anyone pastebin for me an output from analogical command in debian as ``rpm -q pulseaudio --requires'' does in rpm systems ? i need to check PAs deps in deb but i don't have any .deb system right now |
| 15:04.28 | babilen | milo_: yes |
| 15:04.32 | milo_ | ok |
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| 15:04.49 | babilen | mnice: What does that command do? |
| 15:04.50 | milo_ | if you do, you should answer what this is: |
| 15:04.52 | mnice | thanks |
| 15:04.59 | milo_ | aptitude -vvvvv moo |
| 15:05.03 | milo_ | xd |
| 15:05.13 | babilen | milo_: An easter egg -- Do you need help with that? |
| 15:05.14 | mnice | babilen: it list the capabilities required by package and provided by dependant packages |
| 15:05.29 | milo_ | babilen: yes, why do you put easter egg in? |
| 15:05.33 | mnice | babilen: so for example: # rpm -q pulseaudio --requires | grep ALSA |
| 15:05.34 | mnice | libasound.so.2(ALSA_0.9)(64bit) |
| 15:05.34 | mnice | libasound.so.2(ALSA_0.9.0rc4)(64bit) |
| 15:05.34 | mnice | libasound.so.2(ALSA_0.9.0rc8)(64bit) |
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| 15:05.36 | babilen | mnice: What are capabilities in this context? |
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| 15:05.48 | mnice | sorry for paste |
| 15:05.55 | babilen | recommends http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:05.58 | babilen | mnice: What are capabilities in this context? |
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| 15:06.15 | milo_ | why would you put an easter egg in to a program ? |
| 15:06.22 | mnice | babilen: what pulseaudio packages needs for run .. |
| 15:06.39 | thewanderer1 | mnice, use http://packages.debian.org to find out |
| 15:06.44 | mnice | eg its dependencies but in format of package names (and i'm okay even with names) |
| 15:06.54 | mnice | **not in format of package names |
| 15:07.01 | babilen | mnice: You mean the depdencies? Those can be seen on http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/pulseaudio for example |
| 15:07.03 | mnice | thewanderer1: sure, sorry for paste |
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| 15:07.29 | mnice | babilen: thanks .. good answer |
| 15:07.41 | babilen | mnice: What do you mean by "not in format of package names" -- What else would you like? |
| 15:07.57 | mnice | babilen: would you please also show me if you can that output directly from dpkg if dpkg is capable of doing so ? |
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| 15:08.33 | thewanderer1 | dpkg only handles package *files* - it has no idea about repositories, or packages that are not on the system physically |
| 15:08.33 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, thewanderer1 |
| 15:08.39 | thewanderer1 | see? :P |
| 15:08.42 | boudiccas | mnice: you're askin gpeople to do a lot of work, why dont you do it yourself? |
| 15:09.14 | mnice | babilen: okay, example: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/67241182 |
| 15:09.19 | babilen | mnice: List all dependencies? "apt-cache depends pulseaudio" would list all dependencies for example. You can also use aptitude search to specify more specific relations. |
| 15:09.30 | mnice | i don't have any .deb system |
| 15:09.39 | mnice | babilen: ^^ check last two lines |
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| 15:09.57 | babilen | !tell mnice -about apt-file |
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| 15:10.04 | babilen | mnice: What are you really trying to do? |
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| 15:10.16 | mnice | boudiccas: it's one command analogue to `rpm -q pulseaudio --requires' .. it's not a lot of work |
| 15:10.49 | hroi | what does it mean when debian partitioner warns me "/dev/sda contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valide fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- .... Or perhaps you deleted the GPT table, and are now isng an msdos partition table. Is this a GPT partition table? Yes or No? |
| 15:10.51 | hroi | " |
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| 15:11.40 | mnice | babilen: i actually request you for being so kind that pastebin for me that output |
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| 15:11.47 | mnice | from one command .. nothing more |
| 15:11.56 | boudiccas | mnice: do it youirself!# |
| 15:12.00 | babilen | mnice: I am not aware of any command that does exactly the same. But frankly I wouldn't even know why I would want that information. Debian offers a collection of packages that depend on each other. |
| 15:12.12 | babilen | mnice: Which command? |
| 15:12.25 | mnice | boudiccas: OMG .. do you have problems with reading :: I DON'T HAVE ANY DEB SYSTEM |
| 15:12.45 | jordanm | mnice: then why are you asking these questions? |
| 15:13.04 | mnice | because i need it to check PAs dependencies in debian |
| 15:13.05 | babilen | mnice: http://paste.debian.net/191236/ -- I still fail to see what you are trying to achieve? What are you *really* trying to do here? Do you even use Debian? What do you need that output for? |
| 15:13.10 | jordanm | dpkg -f foo.deb | grep 'Depends:' |
| 15:13.10 | dpkg | jordanm: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 15:13.19 | babilen | mnice: I already gave you your answer ... |
| 15:13.42 | mnice | jordanm & babilen .. great .. thanks |
| 15:13.44 | hroi | can anyone advice me on the hard to understand qeustion debian is asking me |
| 15:13.46 | mnice | that's all i wanted |
| 15:13.54 | babilen | mnice: Whatfor? |
| 15:13.59 | jordanm | a big difference is that rpm packages depend on files, whereas dpkg packages depend on other packages |
| 15:14.10 | hroi | I never installed msdos nor did I know of any GPT nor msdos partition tables with signatures on it |
| 15:14.21 | thewanderer1 | hroi, is there an existing OS on the disk? |
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| 15:14.29 | hroi | thewanderer1: quite possibly |
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| 15:14.48 | hroi | thewanderer1: Im overwriting the old partition table... I thought I had already told debian yeah go ahead man do it |
| 15:15.07 | jordanm | GPT is only needed if you plan to have a partition > 2TB |
| 15:15.15 | jordanm | select MBR otherwise |
| 15:15.17 | redwarriors25 | is it hard to understand linux? |
| 15:15.20 | hroi | jordanm: this is a small disk 250 GB |
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| 15:15.38 | jordanm | hroi: mbr part table will be fine |
| 15:15.40 | blackshirt | redwarriors25: i don't think so |
| 15:15.53 | redwarriors25 | i see |
| 15:15.55 | thewanderer1 | hroi, then you want "no" |
| 15:15.56 | ChrisH | ,v xmcd |
| 15:15.57 | judd | Package: xmcd on i386 -- lenny: 2.6-21; squeeze: 2.6-23 |
| 15:15.58 | mnice | jordanm: would you also pastebin for me your suggested ``dpkg -f foo.deb | grep 'Depends:''' .. i've received ``apt-cache depends pulseaudio'' .. just to compare outputs |
| 15:15.59 | hroi | jordanm: thanks, however the question posed to me by debian does not give me an option to select |
| 15:16.01 | hroi | .. |
| 15:16.04 | hroi | ohh |
| 15:16.05 | hroi | ok |
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| 15:16.10 | hroi | thewanderer1: thanks1 |
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| 15:16.20 | thewanderer1 | hroi, it's asking if you expect this data to be valid GPT, which you probably don't :P |
| 15:16.26 | blackshirt | redwarriors25: so, do you get some troubles with your debian box ? |
| 15:16.42 | thewanderer1 | this can happen if you have had Windows 7 (8?) or Mac OS X installed on there, I think |
| 15:16.44 | redwarriors25 | yup |
| 15:16.55 | boudiccas | mnice: do you actually have a debian support question? or are you just expecting others to do your work for you? |
| 15:17.01 | blackshirt | redwarriors25: what the problems exactly ? |
| 15:17.25 | redwarriors25 | im using in our office lenny but the thing is if i upgrade the lenny is there any problem will arise |
| 15:17.28 | hroi | why does the isntaller even care what is already on the disk, when I have already told it hey its ok, iron the whole thing |
| 15:17.37 | mnice | boudiccas: sorry but STFU .. i don't want any support but just one output .. if all you do is pointless asking why i really can't follow .. ignore me please |
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| 15:18.13 | blackshirt | redwarriors25: what the problem would arise ? |
| 15:18.14 | jordanm | redwarriors25: there can be potential issues, make sure you review the upgrading section of the install guide |
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| 15:18.28 | boudiccas | mnice: this is for you. |
| 15:18.35 | boudiccas | !volunteer |
| 15:18.36 | dpkg | Volunteers are people who do things for you for free. All the helpers on #debian are volunteers. Please treat them with respect and don't expect them to follow your orders. Insulting them or the things that they have worked hard to create is not a good way of getting help. |
| 15:18.48 | jordanm | blackshirt: business application can break, kernel+udev issues, any number of things |
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| 15:18.59 | redwarriors25 | the lenny debian server is role for web server for local feeding of videos |
| 15:19.30 | jordanm | mnice: it takes 15min to install debian in VM, and that doesn't require being hostile with debian's community |
| 15:20.13 | babilen | mnice: Just out of curiosity: What is this for? Why do you need it? |
| 15:20.21 | jordanm | redwarriors25: IMO don't upgrade it unless a) its ok if its down for a few hours b) you know what your doing |
| 15:20.22 | mnice | jordanm: sorry man .. i just don't follow why he's molesting me .. we're professionals .. if you enter solaris or rhel i won't ask you why you want foo and bar but just help if can |
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| 15:20.52 | mnice | jordanm: and i wanted one output .. that's all .. isn't it legit ? |
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| 15:21.14 | redwarriors25 | @jordanm oh ok but i have some clones to play with :D |
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| 15:21.49 | blackshirt | jordanm: i think yes... thats commonly propietary version ... |
| 15:21.50 | babilen | mnice: It is, but it is also a very random request. As you don't really seem to have a *real* problem that you would like to fix but are happy with some random program output it is hard to provide good support. |
| 15:22.22 | blackshirt | redwarriors25: you can stay on lenny .. and maybe need some backports |
| 15:22.23 | mnice | babilen: i'm writing some script and need my script to check dependencies in debian/buntu system .. that's all .. |
| 15:22.33 | mnice | i have only rpm systems available |
| 15:23.14 | themill | mnice: why do you need to check dependencies? apt does that for us already |
| 15:23.48 | themill | mnice: can you take a step back and explain more about what you're trying to do? It sounds a bit like reinventing the wheel here, and it would be nice to help you avoid that |
| 15:24.11 | mnice | i beg don't ask me for pointless things .. if you wish to gimme one dammit output from `dpkg -f foo.deb | grep Depends:' just do it .. it's all i want .. nothing more .. |
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| 15:24.32 | mnice | themill: s/foo.deb/pulseaudio/ |
| 15:24.34 | jordanm | blackshirt: you never know how your custom php/mysql app is going to react to a php/mysql upgrade unless its been well tested |
| 15:24.36 | mnice | in debian |
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| 15:24.42 | redwarriors25 | what is the backports sorry im just new in linux also |
| 15:24.54 | jordanm | !tell redwarriors25 about bpo |
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| 15:25.34 | mnice | themill: got it .. `apt-cache depends pulseaudio' |
| 15:25.35 | themill | mnice: if you're going to deploy this anywhere, you're going to need to test it anyway and that will require you to have a debian machine. Trivial output like that you can get yourself... let's focus on the more difficult questions where we can help you |
| 15:25.39 | blackshirt | jordanm: thats true ... and that way a backup come play a role ... everything maybe gone be wrong |
| 15:25.58 | babilen | mnice: What are you really trying to do? I gave you relevant output already and you can work with that. But what do you need those dependencies for? What are you planning to do with that information in your script? There are probably a number of better approaches to your problem, but we can't offer solutions without knowing what you are trying to do! |
| 15:26.19 | themill | mnice: note that the output of that command might be more complex than you think |
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| 15:26.36 | mnice | babilen: thanks for that output .. that's all i can say right now .. THANK YOU VERY MUCXH |
| 15:26.56 | themill | mnice: glad we could be of assistance. Good luck |
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| 15:27.42 | redwarriors25 | is it ok im using clonezilla to clone another partition |
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| 15:28.19 | babilen | redwarriors25: I can't think of anything that forbids doing that. |
| 15:28.54 | redwarriors25 | oh i see |
| 15:29.17 | babilen | redwarriors25: What are you trying to do? |
| 15:30.01 | redwarriors25 | cloning of linux os to other hd which ive done already |
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| 15:31.19 | babilen | redwarriors25: Note that clonezilla is not Debian and that we don't support it in here. I don't think that it is wrong to use it though, just that you are in the wrong place here if you have questions. |
| 15:31.47 | redwarriors25 | oh im sorry for that my bad |
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| 15:34.19 | Nascent_grammer | sorry for the basic question, can't seem to find the right string on google to find my own answer, but I am learning Debian for the first time, and I made myself a SU (got tired of typing "sudo <command"). How do I get out of SU mode? |
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| 15:34.39 | babilen | !tell redwarriors25 -about clonezilla |
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| 15:36.33 | yakamo | Nascent_grammer: hi just type exit that will bring you back to the user account you were on before |
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| 15:41.43 | prietus | ctrl + d |
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| 15:44.35 | akSeya | it's a bit quiet in here today.... |
| 15:45.16 | babilen | akSeya: That's a good thing! Quiet == no problems. Do you need help with anything? |
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| 15:45.54 | akSeya | babilen, nope.. just watching ;) |
| 15:46.06 | babilen | alright! Enjoy the show in that case :) |
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| 15:47.07 | thewanderer1 | pro tip: if you disable join/part messages, it's almost serene |
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| 15:50.49 | SiDz | i can't get linux-igd to work |
| 15:51.20 | SiDz | doest open up port form my xbox 360, doesnt even seems to receive any packet |
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| 15:52.22 | SiDz | 11:52:10.848174 IP 360.SiD.Cum > 239.255.255.250: igmp v2 report 239.255.255.250 |
| 15:52.22 | SiDz | 11:52:13.295431 IP Quad.SiD.Cum > 224.0.0.251: igmp v2 report 224.0.0.251 |
| 15:52.30 | SiDz | humm first one i see! |
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| 16:07.23 | somiaj | redwarriors25: ok, just letting you know you can upgrade. (: |
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| 16:08.42 | redwarriors25 | :D |
| 16:08.45 | redwarriors25 | okies |
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| 16:10.48 | SiDz | anyone can help with linux-igd (upnp)? |
| 16:11.00 | SiDz | its not forwarding port as it should |
| 16:11.24 | SiDz | 360 tell me to enable upnp support |
| 16:11.24 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions mediatomb |
| 16:11.26 | judd | Package: mediatomb on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.0-3; squeeze: 0.12.0~svn2018-6.1; sid: 0.12.1-4; wheezy: 0.12.1-4 |
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| 16:28.18 | phaidros | what could possibly go wrong if: apache is running on 80 (netstat shows), wget localhost works, iptables -L -n -v show nothing, wget from remote of another service on 8080 works, tcpdump sees the incoming http requests .. *but* from remote: Connecting to 192.168.1.69:80... failed: Connection refused. |
| 16:28.27 | phaidros | hosts.allw & hosts.deny are empty |
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| 16:29.25 | phaidros | and the same happens with nginx as server |
| 16:29.37 | phaidros | *confused .. never seen before like this :D |
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| 16:30.40 | ChrisH | phaidros: what is the netstat line in exact? *.80 ? |
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| 16:31.16 | phaidros | 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 16:31.33 | phaidros | ChrisH: I just confirmed that it even works on another interface (eth1) in another subnet. |
| 16:31.43 | phaidros | just 80, just that ip .. |
| 16:31.59 | phaidros | I'm inclined to say w.t.f. |
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| 16:33.09 | ChrisH | phaidros: OK, my next stop would be: strace -p $APACHEPID and see it the connect arrives or tcpdump port 80 and try to connect.... if you do not see anything as I assume. Find out what Network devices are between your host and remote |
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| 16:33.35 | nsadmin | 192.168.* are unroutable IPs |
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| 16:33.50 | phaidros | nsadmin: intranet, thats alright |
| 16:34.08 | phaidros | ChrisH: tcpdump sees the requests on 80 |
| 16:34.31 | nsadmin | on the same subnet it would work... but didn't he say "from remote"? |
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| 16:35.13 | phaidros | nsadmin: erm, yeah. distinguising localhost and remote host (in the same subnet) .. ^^ |
| 16:36.21 | nsadmin | so remote meaning "another machine a coupla feet away (and on the same subnet)" |
| 16:36.55 | phaidros | ChrisH: ok, it looks like, apache isnt getting the requests (hence why it is not logging) , but tcpdump sees them .. what could be sitting in between? |
| 16:37.09 | nsadmin | if it;s that, you're right, it should work fine |
| 16:37.09 | phaidros | nsadmin: exactly :) |
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| 16:37.49 | nsadmin | is it a delay? |
| 16:37.58 | phaidros | nsadmin: interestingly something between the port and the daemon is doing magic .. iptables -L -n -v shows nothing .. hosts.allow & hosts.deny are empty |
| 16:38.12 | phaidros | nsadmin: delay? how do you mean? |
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| 16:39.07 | nsadmin | when you make a request to the server from the other machine, does it fail to respond immediately? or what happens? |
| 16:39.30 | ChrisH | phaidros: I assume he might want to point towards name resolution problems |
| 16:40.07 | phaidros | nsadmin: ChrisH, fails immediately. tho, I wget on the ip as well. dns isn't in question so far |
| 16:40.34 | SiDz | anyone got linux-igd working? |
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| 16:40.47 | phaidros | ChrisH: strace stays empty, while tcpdump (tcpdump -l -i eth0 -s0 'tcp and dst port 80 and dst 192.168.1.69' -w -) does show the http request. |
| 16:40.48 | nsadmin | ok, when you say you wget, do you mean from the server on 80? |
| 16:40.48 | SiDz | cause im not able to. |
| 16:41.22 | phaidros | nsadmin: I wrote initially: wget on localhost works perfectly. wget from remote not, Connecting to suche.nr|192.168.1.69|:80... failed: Connection refused. |
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| 16:42.03 | phaidros | nsadmin: tho, wget on 8080 on another service there works. wget from another machine to the second ip of that server works. it is just port 80 on that ip not working |
| 16:42.09 | nsadmin | what happens when you use a browser? (a browser might show an error msg from the server) |
| 16:42.20 | phaidros | nsadmin: same. |
| 16:42.36 | nsadmin | what message? |
| 16:42.40 | nsadmin | if any |
| 16:42.43 | phaidros | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 192.168.1.69. |
| 16:43.28 | nsadmin | what does the apache config say the server name is? |
| 16:43.41 | phaidros | I tend to think that there is something bogus in the network .. maybe a double ip, but since all other ports (22, 8080, 4949) do respond from other machines via telnet ip port .. I wonder if that might be true |
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| 16:44.25 | phaidros | nsadmin: as well apache and nginx with default config (no names, just default serving on 80) do not work |
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| 16:44.59 | Ecco | Hi everyone. A broken version of Asterisk shipped in debian stable (no SIP) |
| 16:45.09 | Ecco | How can I roll back to the previous version without ruining my system? |
| 16:45.11 | nsadmin | yeah, that's a good thought, and I agree, there's not another machine (incorrectly) configured to the same ip (.69?) |
| 16:45.39 | phaidros | nsadmin: hard to find those double ip thingies .. hate when people just take an ip |
| 16:46.01 | phaidros | could there be anything else wrong in that scenario? |
| 16:46.19 | nsadmin | so this sometimes happens on the net? |
| 16:46.38 | phaidros | ah! |
| 16:46.40 | phaidros | I got it |
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| 16:46.56 | nsadmin | what was it? |
| 16:46.57 | phaidros | one dev has put a iptables redirect |
| 16:47.12 | phaidros | tho, I wonder why "iptables -L -n -v" doesnt show it .. |
| 16:47.33 | JackL | Mrs, I am trying to install debian 6 on Hyper-V with Windows 2008 R2. But the kernel / installer only recognizes 136.9GB virtual disk (it has 170GB). Does anyone have any idea about any parameters that I could pass the boot installation? Debian 5 (kernel oldest) recognizes HD Virtual normally! |
| 16:47.34 | phaidros | iptables -t nat -L shows : REDIRECT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:www redir ports 8090 |
| 16:47.37 | phaidros | grrrr |
| 16:47.45 | phaidros | ChrisH: nsadmin thanx for bearing with me :)_ |
| 16:48.10 | nsadmin | ohh, heh |
| 16:48.21 | nsadmin | goot catch |
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| 16:53.29 | nsadmin | phaidros, are the iptables rules still in there? |
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| 16:53.46 | nsadmin | if so... see if you see them when you do iptables -L |
| 16:54.00 | phaidros | nsadmin: 18:47 < phaidros> iptables -t nat -L shows : REDIRECT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:www redir ports 8090 |
| 16:54.03 | phaidros | ;) |
| 16:54.04 | phaidros | thanx |
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| 16:54.39 | nsadmin | so the question is, if they're still there now, does iptables -L show them? |
| 16:54.53 | nsadmin | yes I saw that? |
| 16:55.20 | jelly-home | JackL: which emulated disk controller are you using? |
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| 16:57.08 | jelly-home | JackL: a scsi one like lsilogic or buslogic, or an AHCI compatible (ich8? ich10?) might fare better than some IDE emulation |
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| 16:59.10 | nsadmin | is buslogic still around? |
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| 17:01.50 | jelly-home | nsadmin: as virtualized hw |
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| 17:07.43 | Guest21031 | Hi, I'm running Linux Mint maya (3.2.0-23-generic). When I run lsmod I can see my wireless driver (ath9k,ath9k_common,ath9k_hw). However when I run hostapd I get the following error: invalid/unknown driver 'ath9k'. Can anyone help? |
| 17:08.06 | jelly-home | !mint |
| 17:08.07 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 17:08.32 | carrera | Greetings! :) |
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| 17:08.55 | jelly-home | Guest21031: try that #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org channel. |
| 17:09.36 | nsadmin | so I installed wheezy the other day (this isn't it) and then I installed kde-full. and the application menu is empty... is this known behavior? |
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| 17:14.21 | carrera | my wireless doesn't work in Wheezy. Any ideas? |
| 17:15.18 | boudiccas | nsadmin: do you hav /any/ menu at all? and what is your DE? |
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| 17:17.57 | HeliumPL | witam |
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| 17:20.00 | Devastator | carrera which wireless card? |
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| 17:21.30 | nsadmin | boudiccas, hi, kde... and the menu on the top right (username dropdown) does work and the menu immediately to the right of the far top left (application) works |
| 17:21.38 | carrera | Devastator, that's the problem! :) |
| 17:21.39 | nsadmin | but the application menu itself is empty |
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| 17:21.52 | carrera | Devastator, how do I modprobe for it? |
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| 17:22.13 | frenezulo | is there a burmese language package for debian? |
| 17:22.17 | nsadmin | carrera, try lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 17:22.23 | nsadmin | now many lines is that? |
| 17:22.46 | boudiccas | nsadmin: i'm using XFCE so things will be different, but do you have a 'systems' menu, with a 'starting session' in it? maybe you have to check a tickbox for the kde apllications? |
| 17:23.03 | frenezulo | i can't view the burmese script and it's really annoying to look at generic unicode characters |
| 17:23.24 | carrera | thanks nsadmin |
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| 17:23.27 | nkuttler | frenezulo: does the scripture have a name? |
| 17:23.30 | carrera | I've a Realtek RTL8191SEvB |
| 17:23.56 | nsadmin | carrera, show the line |
| 17:24.03 | nsadmin | for the Realt |
| 17:24.08 | carrera | Devastator, I've a RTL8191SEvB |
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| 17:24.23 | carrera | 0a:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller [10ec:8172] (rev 10) |
| 17:24.29 | nsadmin | boudiccas, gonna be around for a bit? I'll have to reboot into it |
| 17:24.34 | frenezulo | nkuttler: i think it's only used for burmese |
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| 17:24.44 | boudiccas | nsadmin: for a couple of hours, yes |
| 17:24.45 | jelly-home | frenezulo: is ttf-sil-padauk package installed? |
| 17:24.55 | nsadmin | ok, so that shows the pciid which is [10ec:8172] |
| 17:25.05 | nsadmin | , pciid [10ec:8172] |
| 17:25.06 | judd | [10ec:8172] is 'RTL8191SEvB Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'rtl8192se' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8172 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 17:25.26 | nkuttler | frenezulo: well apt-cache search burmese doesn't find anything. maybe if you tried searching for more specific terms |
| 17:25.36 | nsadmin | so you may need a backported kernel (and friends) from sid |
| 17:25.39 | frenezulo | jelly-home: it is now |
| 17:25.51 | frenezulo | it's also called myanmar |
| 17:25.54 | nsadmin | and also firmware |
| 17:26.01 | frenezulo | oh found it |
| 17:26.09 | nkuttler | frenezulo: yeah, just found it, apt-cache search myanmar |
| 17:26.10 | nsadmin | yay |
| 17:26.16 | jelly-home | frenezulo: that ought to make apps using ttf fonts use it as fallback |
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| 17:26.53 | frenezulo | yay it works now thanks |
| 17:27.02 | nkuttler | enjoy! |
| 17:27.23 | devios | hey im running utorrent on my machine, and have it set up to use a socks5 proxy server out on the internet. this makes me not connectable. i lack the tool/knowledge for my proxy server that would forward traffic on a range of ports from my proxy to my client behind the proxy to make me connectable. a "reverse proxy" for a port range??? would anyone please point me in the right direction? im getting nowhere with my googling. :-( |
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| 17:27.54 | nkuttler | sometimes installs random fonts just to get rid of squares on websites he can't read anyway |
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| 17:28.16 | jelly-home | devios: I think SOCKS if only used as a forward, not reverse proxy |
| 17:28.19 | jelly-home | is* |
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| 17:28.43 | viz | utorrent?! |
| 17:28.55 | jelly-home | viz: yeah, there's a build for linux |
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| 17:28.58 | nsadmin | dats wat he sed |
| 17:29.10 | viz | jelly-home: Ooh god, please stay away from it. Please |
| 17:29.15 | jelly-home | also it works well in wine |
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| 17:29.46 | viz | Do you mean u or µtorrent? |
| 17:29.58 | jelly-home | is that not the same thing |
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| 17:30.08 | viz | :/ |
| 17:30.11 | jelly-home | people usually write the mu as u |
| 17:30.35 | viz | Consider the following: You are using a closed source program to do something that is illegal. |
| 17:30.38 | nsadmin | is mu like a upside down h? |
| 17:30.43 | VZ2icarly_ | hi all does anyone know of a "debian 5 for dummies" pdf? they have us on lenny 5.0.9 on our work computers and are refusing to upgrade to squeeze due to the differences in kde 4 vs. kde 3 |
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| 17:30.57 | nkuttler | nsadmin: not really, no |
| 17:31.10 | jhutchins_wk | VZ2icarly_: Be very happy they are not "upgrading" you to kde4. |
| 17:31.12 | devios | im trying to do this because my hdd on the rtorrent/torrentflux on the proxy server is too small, so I wanna use my client too. |
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| 17:31.35 | viz | fawk yeah! rtorrent :> |
| 17:31.40 | jelly-home | viz: it's not me. I have no idea what devios is torrenting, and am not presuming it's illegal by default |
| 17:31.45 | nsadmin | is wheezy kde4? |
| 17:31.47 | nkuttler | rtorrent++ |
| 17:31.56 | viz | jelly-home: Good :> |
| 17:32.01 | devios | jelly-home: i dont understand what your response meant. im using delegate socks5 proxy for the outgoing connections, but lack the reverse proxy (?) to forward a port range on the proxy server to the client machine |
| 17:32.08 | nsadmin | tormenting? |
| 17:32.22 | VZ2icarly_ | jhutchins_wk I am quite happy that they are not doing it ecause kde 4 is just too different from wat we all know and from what i've heard of it it is verry bugg |
| 17:32.31 | jelly-home | devios: right. |
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| 17:33.44 | devios | wouldn't i have the same problem with connectability if i set up vpn services on the proxy server? |
| 17:34.01 | VZ2icarly_ | anone? does anyone know of a "debian 5 for dummies" pdf? they have us on lenny 5.0.9 on our work computers and are refusing to upgrade to squeeze due to the differences in kde 4 vs. kde 3 |
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| 17:34.35 | jordanm | VZ2icarly_: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ |
| 17:34.39 | jelly-home | devios: depends on the vpn setup. If you gave your devices public ip addresses things would work. This is however quite unusual and most people do NAT instead |
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| 17:35.15 | devios | jelly-home: that's what i thought, and i dont have a second ip address on the proxy that i could allocate |
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| 17:35.39 | jelly-home | devios: investigate other tools for connections that go the other way, eh. ssh with -R (RemoteForward) options (requires GatewayPorts on the sshd side) |
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| 17:35.44 | jelly-home | eg.* |
| 17:35.52 | devios | jelly-home: so back to asking if anyone knows of a reverse proxy (?) tool of some sort that would allow me to forward a range of ports to the client machine |
| 17:36.44 | Doggie52 | The built-in remote control in gnome is quite slow -- any tips on how to optimize it? Or even where I can change its settings? |
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| 17:37.38 | jelly-home | devios: if you do it that way, your torrent client will see all the inbound tcp connections as coming from localhost, but at least they'll work. I don't have an answer ready for udp reverse proxying. |
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| 17:38.26 | asturel | i have added 'secure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin"' to sudoers now im getting parse line error http://pastebin.com/f0exWbRN |
| 17:38.47 | VZ2icarly_ | they kiijed at trinity before and decided to stick with lenny as kde 3 as prebundled. so if anyone has the allmightu "for dummies" pdf or hml download it would muchly be appreciated |
| 17:38.57 | SomeoneWeird | there was a tool I found a while back that downloads literally the base essentials for debian/ubuntu, anyone know the name of it? |
| 17:39.15 | devios | jelly-home: you are referring to: "ssh with -R (RemoteForward) options (requires GatewayPorts on the sshd side)" ? |
| 17:39.21 | jelly-home | devios: yes |
| 17:40.02 | jelly-home | ssh client also has a SOCKS proxy as well |
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| 17:40.06 | jelly-home | -D |
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| 17:41.40 | devios | jelly-home: i've done the proxying before with ssh client, but never tried the reverse. your proposed solution was all i could find with my googling. delegate can reverse proxy udp and http one port/protocol at a time too - just makes for an ugly config file. thx for the help though. |
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| 17:43.14 | boudiccas | nsadmin: sorry, i have to go to bed as my legs are playing me up. good luck. |
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| 17:43.48 | nsadmin | boudiccas, feel better... no problem :) |
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| 17:44.27 | VZ2icarly_ | anyone has the allmighty "for dummies" pdf or hml download it would muchly be appreciated |
| 17:44.27 | draginx | Any reason why /tmp wont show up in df -h? |
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| 17:45.09 | Doggie52 | Any ideas on how to optimize the built-in remote desktop in debian gnome? |
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| 17:45.12 | dondelelcaro | draginx: if it's not a separate filesystem, it won't show up there. |
| 17:45.24 | draginx | dondelelcaro: but it did before |
| 17:45.25 | draginx | as tmpfs |
| 17:45.33 | draginx | but now it doesnt... and i have no idea why the behavior would change |
| 17:45.55 | dondelelcaro | draginx: if you don't have /tmp mounted as a tmpfs, then it won't show up. |
| 17:45.59 | jordanm | draginx: you use you wern't looking at /dev/shm, which would be tempfs? |
| 17:46.05 | draginx | yes |
| 17:46.09 | draginx | im 100% sure it was /tmp |
| 17:46.16 | draginx | and im 100% sure it used to show up in df -h |
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| 17:49.29 | ilikenwf | i'm using nouveau on my non-optimus card |
| 17:49.33 | ilikenwf | that being the case |
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| 17:49.45 | ilikenwf | i was wondering if any of you know of a workaround to get 3d acceleration in vmware hosts |
| 17:49.54 | phaidros | ah well, its my debian day :) |
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| 17:50.08 | phaidros | what could be the reason that networking doesnt come up on restart? |
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| 17:50.34 | phaidros | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.49 | phaidros | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.55 | phaidros | it is wheezy |
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| 17:55.01 | jordanm | phaidros: restart does nothing. ifdown and ifup each interface |
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| 17:58.34 | petercollins | !dpkg |
| 17:58.34 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 17:58.48 | petercollins | dpkg xampp |
| 17:58.48 | dpkg | XAMPP for Linux (formerly LAMPP) is a way of installing lots of software that is already packaged for Debian. Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3 libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>. |
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| 17:59.11 | phaidros | jordanm: it used to do things .. imho :) |
| 17:59.11 | petercollins | dpkg search |
| 17:59.11 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. See also <axi-search> <debtags> <dlocate>. |
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| 18:00.41 | phaidros | jordanm: ok, the ifupdown package was missing. tho I have no clue why, and where it got los :D |
| 18:00.45 | phaidros | +T |
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| 18:01.27 | phaidros | jordanm: thx for the pointer! |
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| 18:19.38 | pozic | Can you name any graphical java application which I can use to test whether Java works? |
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| 18:21.02 | jelly-home | azureus |
| 18:21.04 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 18:22.10 | gnarface | http://www.popcap.com aren't these all java games? |
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| 18:24.12 | gnarface | pozic: if you can get feeding frenzy 2 working i'd say you're good |
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| 18:24.52 | gnarface | pozic: if you want something REALLY picky about which java you're using try apache hadoop |
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| 18:25.49 | pozic | gnarface: can I just install that, or do I need to 'configure it using a team of consultants' first? |
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| 18:26.01 | pozic | azureus worked fine. |
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| 18:26.22 | jelly-home | gnarface: the browser-playable Plants vs. Zombies on that site is Flash |
| 18:26.37 | jelly-home | ... most browser games are flash |
| 18:26.44 | tom____ | Is there a way of showing which packages were installed using build-dep? I want to clean up after installing something from source but the dependencies don't show up with autoremove |
| 18:26.45 | gnarface | popcap.com's games used to all be java |
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| 18:27.01 | gnarface | jelly-home: specifically THOSE used to all be java but i guess it was some years ago now... |
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| 18:27.47 | gnarface | pozic: probably the second one |
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| 18:28.25 | tom____ | I guess I could fish around with deborphan, but it seems a bit of a pain. |
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| 18:30.38 | _anton | This may be the wrong channel, and if so - I apologise. But is there any way of disconnecting idle ssh-sessions? |
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| 18:33.50 | jelly-home | _anton: probably. "apt-cache search idle" returns at least one promising result: autolog - Terminates connections for idle users |
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| 18:34.38 | jelly-home | _anton: also: timeoutd - Flexible user timeout daemon with X11 support |
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| 18:35.28 | jelly-home | hunt for more yourself |
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| 18:36.22 | Fotografiona | alright. I have got this laptop, a Thinkpad E135, which has a UEFI instead of BIOS. We tried to install debian but having severe problem with that |
| 18:36.40 | _anton | Interesting, thanks jelly-home =) |
| 18:36.49 | Fotografiona | I guess that is not an unknown problem, we cannot find solutions though |
| 18:37.08 | jordanm | !uefi > Fotografiona |
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| 18:37.21 | jordanm | !tell Fotografiona about uefi |
| 18:37.26 | Iridos | dpkg now has >? |
| 18:37.27 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Iridos |
| 18:37.27 | Iridos | ha |
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| 18:37.33 | Fotografiona | grub does not install |
| 18:38.23 | Fotografiona | frankly there is no need to tell me that UEFI sucks |
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| 18:38.55 | jordanm | Fotografiona: I thought that it was going to provide debian-specific information |
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| 18:39.21 | jordanm | Fotografiona: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting |
| 18:39.35 | jordanm | the ubuntu documentation likely applies to debian as well, but I can't say for sure |
| 18:39.39 | erlehmann | so, i am here with Fotografiona as well |
| 18:39.49 | erlehmann | and the laptop came without an operating system |
| 18:40.02 | erlehmann | we did not even know it had UEFI before i looked at the manual |
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| 18:40.57 | jordanm | ,versions grub |
| 18:40.58 | judd | Package: grub on i386 -- lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; squeeze: 0.97-64; sid: 0.97-66; wheezy: 0.97-66 |
| 18:41.24 | jordanm | erlehmann: Fotografiona: looks like its going to require quite a bit of manual work |
| 18:41.41 | erlehmann | jordanm, and i had thought it takes a while :( |
| 18:41.48 | erlehmann | before UEFI harasses me or my friends |
| 18:41.50 | Fotografiona | indeed. The manuals tell us that we need SPECIAL SKILLS |
| 18:42.10 | jordanm | erlehmann: it will be made easier as it gets more popular |
| 18:42.34 | erlehmann | jordanm, i sincerely hope it does not become popular, if you know what i mean |
| 18:42.41 | erlehmann | we could have a running system with BIOS right now |
| 18:42.48 | erlehmann | well, yesterday |
| 18:42.51 | Fotografiona | So I should stick to it and tell everybody to do the same? ;) |
| 18:43.20 | jelly-home | centos just released an UEFI capable installer |
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| 18:46.36 | jonkri | does anyone have an idea why /etc/aliases has a line saying "root: t" on a vanilla debian systems? |
| 18:46.42 | jonkri | s/systems/system |
| 18:46.52 | jonkri | there is no user t |
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| 18:48.18 | Somelauw | Hi, I'm on skype, but I got no sound. What can I try to fix it. I already put everything to maximum in alsamixer -c 1 |
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| 18:50.10 | nkuttler | !tell Somelauw about skype |
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| 18:50.27 | jelly-home | jonkri: it does not, something's gone wrong |
| 18:50.45 | Somelauw | That wasn't my question. |
| 18:51.21 | jonkri | jelly-home: hmm... should i be suspicious that someone has gained access to my system? |
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| 18:51.26 | Somelauw | I want to solve a problem. I don't care if it is included by default or not in the repositories. |
| 18:51.35 | pozic | gnarface: popcap.com seemed to have a dependency on evil, so that's why I didn't pursue that further. |
| 18:51.50 | gnarface | Somelauw: in alsa mixer, the first panel you see is only "playback" controls. you can hit the TAB key to cycle through control panels. the second panel is the capture controls, which is what you want. |
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| 18:52.26 | gnarface | pozic: sorry i confused different flavors of evil |
| 18:52.40 | pozic | gnarface: ah, in this case facebook. |
| 18:52.50 | Somelauw | gnarface: there is a single bar and it is full. |
| 18:52.53 | pozic | gnarface: but yes, evil is all around us. |
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| 18:53.17 | Somelauw | also stuff like internal microphone is on its fullest |
| 18:53.39 | gnarface | Somelauw: alsamixer controls are auto-generated and behavior is hardware-specific, but probably you should hit the spacebar to "select" one of the capture channels which you have currently maxxed out in volume |
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| 18:56.26 | jelly-home | jonkri: how exactly did you install the system, which installer image and choice of tasks? |
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| 18:58.35 | gnarface | Somelauw: on my system i have to select a capture channel and separately set an input channel to an appopriate device for said capture channel |
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| 18:59.50 | afidegnum | hello, pls I have list of csv files in my folder, I want to split all of them using this technique posted at http://www.edmondscommerce.co.uk/linux/linux-split-file-eg-csv-and-keep-header-row/ Can anyone give me an insight on how to rewrite the script for a better csv split and output ? |
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| 19:01.21 | gnarface | afidegnum: that's not a debian question. also, just use libreoffice calc to mangle csv files if you can't write code. |
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| 19:01.40 | afidegnum | gnarface: I want to use ssh |
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| 19:01.52 | Somelauw | gnarface: I don't know how to do that or whether that is necessary on my system as well |
| 19:02.01 | gnarface | afidegnum: a noble goal |
| 19:02.09 | Fotografiona | we have grub now, but apparently there is no config file generated |
| 19:02.29 | Sisco_ | I'm trying to follow these instructions to install my intel graphics: http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1849 |
| 19:02.38 | Somelauw | I'm in the middle of a skype conversation, so I'm not able to read manuals, right now. |
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| 19:03.15 | gnarface | Somelauw: logic dictates if it was necessary you'd see extra entries in the recording panel on alsamixer, but its possible your soundcard module isn't properly auto-detecting your hardware. i know mine requires manual setting to the specfic model type |
| 19:03.33 | Sisco_ | When I type this command "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64" a notice pops up about the new "hpsa" driver and not sure how to continue... |
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| 19:03.51 | erlehmann | we have a bootloader. |
| 19:03.56 | erlehmann | grub. but no grub menu |
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| 19:04.48 | jonkri | jelly-home: debian 6.0 through the linode control panel, i think |
| 19:05.11 | jordanm | erlehmann: update-grub from within a chroot of the OS will generate a grub.cfg |
| 19:05.25 | jonkri | it's actually okay, it's not a very crucial system |
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| 19:05.48 | jordanm | erlehmann: if the cdrom booted fine, you might just want to use syslinux instead of grub |
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| 19:07.04 | Sisco_ | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 19:07.04 | Sisco_ | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
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| 19:07.28 | Sisco_ | Is that anything to worry about? If so, how would you recommend resolving the issue? |
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| 19:08.47 | jelly-home | jonkri: ask linode what they've done with it |
| 19:09.02 | jelly-home | probably leftover crap from their image |
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| 19:09.11 | jonkri | thanks jelly-home |
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| 19:11.28 | kittonian | can anyone give me a hand with configuring dhcpd.conf? |
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| 19:11.50 | erlehmann | jordanm, intredasting. |
| 19:12.07 | erlehmann | we are now manually typing grub commands |
| 19:12.18 | kittonian | I think I've got most of it figured out but I have a few questions like, can I have a range of addresses that will automatically be assigned to devices and then also specify specific IPs tied to MAC addresses that fall outside of the range of auto assigned IPs? |
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| 19:12.48 | erlehmann | jordanm, we have a crypto system. |
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| 19:14.36 | gnarface | Somelauw: its also possible your problem is not related to ALSA but rather to Skype (which we can't help you with) or to PulseAudio (if its installed it often gets in the way) ... have you successfully recorded audio using any other software? |
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| 19:14.52 | gnarface | Somelauw: trying a direct call to arecord would be a good place to start |
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| 19:19.27 | Somelauw | gnarface: I didn't try, but pulseaudio is running |
| 19:20.01 | gnarface | Somelauw: well i've helped you as much as possible. good luck! |
| 19:20.05 | Somelauw | I would have to try that later, maybe that is a good testcase. Does arecord work? |
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| 19:20.11 | Somelauw | thanks |
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| 19:44.12 | mrtnt | Are numbers in badblock(8) output the block numbers or sector numbers? |
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| 19:45.20 | jelly-home | mrtnt: filesystem block |
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| 19:45.52 | jelly-home | unless you specified -b |
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| 19:47.54 | TheWarden | Hi, I'm trying to run a script after a X session login for a specific user. I created a file ~/.config/autostart/allviso.desktop. However, it doesn't run the script. What am I doing wrong, https://gist.github.com/45d481bda5181eefe3cd? |
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| 19:50.37 | TheWarden | I have successfully ran other programs doing this method just fine but to run a BASH script doesn't seem to work. |
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| 19:53.55 | mrtnt | jelly-home, ok, thanks! However, isn't file system block(ext3, ext4) usually 4096 bytes? Or in this case badblocks detects four(4x 1024) bad blocks? |
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| 19:59.02 | blubberdiblub | mrtnt, "badblocks" doesn't know anything about filesystems. it outputs in 1024 byte blocks by default |
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| 19:59.24 | TheWarden | sighs |
| 20:00.02 | mrtnt | blubberdiblub, ok. So in case it outputs for example block nr 180, then either both or one of the 512 byte sectors under this block are broken? |
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| 20:01.05 | blubberdiblub | mrtnt, linux normally reads in the disk in 4096 size blocks. that's why you get 4 consecutive 1024 byte blocks reported |
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| 20:02.27 | TheWarden | I just tried creating a ~/.xinitrc and entered a line of /usr/local/src/allviso_start.sh and it didn't run |
| 20:03.04 | jordanm | TheWarden: using startx? |
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| 20:03.55 | blubberdiblub | mrtnt, or in other words, it usually doesn't make sense to try to rescue anything smaller than 4096 bytes, unless you have some utility that can read the disk in a more raw mode |
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| 20:06.44 | TheWarden | jordanm: no I have gdm3 with LXDE. So it auto logins for me into X and of course is already started at boot up. I'm trying to get this script to run after X login. |
| 20:07.07 | Mysterytrain | i'm trying to use sox for music conversion. it says: sox FAIL formats: no handler for file extension `mp3'. The manual page codecs need to be installed. on debian, what package would that be? |
| 20:07.34 | TheWarden | oh sorry I actually put /usr/local/src/allviso_start.sh & |
| 20:07.50 | jordanm | TheWarden: I am pretty use .xinitrc is only executed on invocation of startx. you should use w/e LXDE's method of using startup applications is |
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| 20:08.33 | blubberdiblub | Mysterytrain, libsox-fmt-mp3 |
| 20:08.51 | TheWarden | jordanm: okay what is that method then? I was trying to use the .desktop starndard in ~/.config/autostart/*.desktop files. I created one and got it to work for other apps but can't get a BASH script to start. |
| 20:09.18 | jordanm | TheWarden: what does the bash script do? |
| 20:10.45 | mrtnt | blubberdiblub, ok, but I don't get consecutive blocks reported: http://perl.nopaste.dk/p14362 |
| 20:11.05 | Mysterytrain | blubberdiblub: then dpkg-reconfigure sox? |
| 20:11.26 | blubberdiblub | Mysterytrain, i don't think that's needed. just try it? |
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| 20:12.02 | blubberdiblub | mrtnt, hmm, okay |
| 20:12.17 | Mysterytrain | blubberdiblub: then says it was compiled without mp3 support even after dpkg-reconfigure. I guess i have uninstall/reinstall with apt |
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| 20:12.38 | TheWarden | jordanm: I also have lxsession-edit installed but it doesn't allow me to add any startup applications just enable or disable. |
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| 20:13.07 | TheWarden | jordanm: the script just makes sure the system is setup properly for certain settings and downloads some content for local use. |
| 20:13.30 | TheWarden | jordanm: is a kiosk type setup of a system so this script ensures all is set properly. |
| 20:13.45 | TheWarden | jordanm: the script runs fine when I run it manually. |
| 20:13.51 | mrtnt | blubberdiblub, as there is a "-b" option, maybe badblocks is able to access HDD in some sort of raw mode? |
| 20:13.55 | blubberdiblub | Mysterytrain, what output do you get when you run "apt-cache policy sox libsox-fmt-mp3"? copy&paste it into a pastebin, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 20:14.19 | Mysterytrain | too late i purged it lol |
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| 20:14.33 | blubberdiblub | mrtnt, the -b option is only for specifying the granularity, nothing else |
| 20:14.36 | Mysterytrain | gonna compile from source |
| 20:15.03 | blubberdiblub | Mysterytrain, well, good luck ... i think you're doing it wrong, tho |
| 20:15.12 | tremon | mrtnt: at a guess, modern drives can relocate sectors in the case of failure. There is no hard guarantee that consecutive sectors numbers correspond to a contiguous platter area |
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| 20:17.38 | blubberdiblub | mrtnt, it's more like the -B option is interesting. and reading about it shows that it does direct i/o by default (and -B would switch it off). so yes, it apparently does read in as small chunks as you tell it to |
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| 20:18.41 | Mysterytrain | blubberdiblub: http://paste.debian.net/191328/ |
| 20:18.51 | TheWarden | argh this can't be that hard to execute a script after a X session login. |
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| 20:19.46 | blubberdiblub | ,v sox |
| 20:19.47 | judd | Package: sox on i386 -- lenny: 14.0.1-2+b1; squeeze: 14.3.1-1; sid: 14.4.0-3; wheezy: 14.4.0-3 |
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| 20:20.31 | blubberdiblub | Mysterytrain, okay, the candidate versions match up. so if you now install sox and libsox-fmt-mp3 again, does it work now? |
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| 20:21.28 | Mysterytrain | blubberdiblub no it doesn't |
| 20:21.38 | Mysterytrain | continues to say socx was compiled without mp3 support |
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| 20:22.44 | blubberdiblub | Mysterytrain, that's strange. do you have another sox in your search path first maybe? what does "type sox" or "which sox" output? |
| 20:23.23 | Mysterytrain | /usr/bin/sox |
| 20:23.34 | Mysterytrain | both in the same place |
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| 20:24.07 | blubberdiblub | Mysterytrain, okay, then i'm out of ideas. maybe report it as bug on the bug tracking system? |
| 20:25.11 | TheWarden | mmm lxsession-edit only shows two of the three .desktop files I created. Strange. |
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| 20:26.08 | TheWarden | mmm have to logout brb |
| 20:27.44 | mrtnt | blubberdiblub, ok. So if I'll change the block size to smaller, I should see more bad blocks? |
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| 20:30.35 | blubberdiblub | mrtnt, well, yes or no. depends on how small the errors are. assuming at least some of the bad areas are larger than the block size you're changing it to, then yes, it will output more. but the what it really achieves is that you can pinpoint the faults with finer granularity (if it helps you in the end is a different question) |
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| 20:31.45 | TheWarden | well that didn't work... argh |
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| 20:35.16 | schizophrenic | I have some parallel scripts with extension names .pl and some dont' have extension name .pl |
| 20:35.22 | schizophrenic | how does parallel scripts run then? |
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| 20:36.24 | dkr | the extension is irrelevant to non-humans. :) |
| 20:36.24 | TheWarden | mmm trying again |
| 20:37.13 | dkr | schizophrenic: I'm not sure what you mean by "parallel" since .pl generally indicates a perl script |
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| 20:37.40 | schizophrenic | yes, parl script. that's what i meant. |
| 20:37.48 | schizophrenic | how the ones without extension name runs? |
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| 20:40.45 | dkr | schizophrenic: "perl". the first line of the script is what indicates which interpreter is used to run the script |
| 20:41.16 | schizophrenic | ok, thank you. |
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| 20:47.45 | jhutchins_wk | So I guess the solution to KDE4's address book is to use something else for your contacts. |
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| 20:54.18 | themill | jhutchins_wk: works fine here... but you never answered my questions the other day |
| 20:54.39 | themill | (and as I said, it works even better in wheezy) |
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| 21:02.24 | rpmrpmrpm | how do .deb packages differ from .rpm? |
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| 21:02.56 | HeliumPL | hi |
| 21:03.54 | HeliumPL | How can I make a X session? I want to load a wallpaper and cursor and WM, like metacity or compiz |
| 21:04.26 | rpmrpmrpm | startx |
| 21:04.47 | HeliumPL | that will run it, I don't want to use .xinitrc |
| 21:04.58 | HeliumPL | or, maybe |
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| 21:05.16 | rpmrpmrpm | so mv .xinitrc .xinitrc.bak |
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| 21:05.26 | HeliumPL | but how to load empty desktop? |
| 21:05.33 | gnarface | HeliumPL: while you can set a root console graphic for X sessions most people just use built-in window manager features for such things... |
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| 21:07.00 | tremon | HeliumPL: I prefer ~/.xsession over .xinitrc |
| 21:07.15 | Somelauw | I'm still having microphone problems. If I play music, everyone hears it. When I speak into the microphone nobody hears me. If I run pavucontrol, the bar of my microphone doesn't move when I talk, except when I run arecord, then it does run while arecord is running. |
| 21:07.24 | HeliumPL | Yeah, I got experience w/ .xsession |
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| 21:07.29 | nsadmin | HeliumPL, so you're not running a de or wm? |
| 21:08.12 | HeliumPL | using .xsession i start mate-session at the end |
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| 21:08.20 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Which questions? I've been dropping out a lot lately. |
| 21:08.28 | HeliumPL | im running MATE that's the problem |
| 21:08.31 | jhutchins_wk | I tried it with a clean account and it failed there too. |
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| 21:08.44 | tomreyn | hi, i'm using squeeze in a KVM VM and am trying to access its serial remotely using virt-manager. this works at boot time using if i pass console=ttyS0 to the kernel but later during boot serial console gets disattached |
| 21:08.45 | themill | "it failed"? |
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| 21:08.55 | tomreyn | how can i fix it? i guess i need to edit inittab? |
| 21:09.18 | HeliumPL | i want to not run MATE, but only a session with cursor and wallpaper |
| 21:09.19 | themill | jhutchins_wk: I suggested you restart akonadi but you just said that you got a d-bus error that suggested you didn't do it as a logged in user |
| 21:09.46 | nsadmin | HeliumPL, how will you terminate the session? |
| 21:09.52 | jhutchins_wk | themill: I did kikk akonadi and restarted it by launching kaddressbook. |
| 21:09.56 | tremon | HeliumPL: no window manager? |
| 21:10.00 | tomreyn | ignore me, got it solved |
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| 21:10.51 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Although I've had it come all the way up, it usually gives me the grey screen that says something about akonadi not being functional. Even with a clean start, it has errors in the mysql log that it can't create files, there are lockfile errors, etc. |
| 21:10.54 | HeliumPL | I've MATE w/ KWin, but i want to run a clean wallpaper w/ cursor only, like my own de, using any WM like compiz etc. |
| 21:11.16 | jhutchins_wk | I did manage to clean out the few thousand blank vcfs manually, so it at least fails more quickly. |
| 21:11.26 | themill | jhutchins_wk: can't say I've ever seen any of that. |
| 21:11.41 | jhutchins_wk | part of this may be because I'm working remotely off a machine that isn't running kde (and has a poor connection). |
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| 21:12.41 | HeliumPL | i found something :) |
| 21:12.44 | jhutchins_wk | I really haven't had time at home to work on the local console. |
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| 21:13.21 | jhutchins_wk | themill: You do use kaddressbook in squeeze then? |
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| 21:14.42 | tremon | HeliumPL: you can set wallpaper with xsetroot (although I'm not sure it accepts any image), then just exec your window manager |
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| 21:15.14 | tremon | you may want to spawn a few terminals though, otherwise your X environment will remain very clean |
| 21:15.36 | HeliumPL | yeah, i've heard of it |
| 21:15.47 | HeliumPL | i would use gnome-do |
| 21:16.52 | tremon | wonders why gray is easier on the eyes than grey |
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| 21:18.41 | gnarface | tremon: because one of them is actually white? |
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| 21:19.18 | tremon | gnarface: could be, haven't tried it lately, but xsetroot |
| 21:19.24 | tremon | 's manpage assures this is so |
| 21:20.59 | nsadmin | HeliumPL:, one thing, if you don't use a wm, you won't be able to move windows, close, resize or minimize them... |
| 21:21.11 | HeliumPL | of course, I know |
| 21:21.18 | HeliumPL | do you prefer KWin? |
| 21:21.58 | nsadmin | well I do run kde on this box, I've installed gnome on the wheezy |
| 21:24.41 | rpmrpmrpm | how is .deb different from .rpm? |
| 21:25.14 | prietus | ^^ |
| 21:25.25 | meyou | ./nick debdebdeb |
| 21:26.00 | debdebdeb | still I'm curious |
| 21:26.04 | debdebdeb | no one seems to know |
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| 21:26.55 | nsadmin | debdebdeb, rpms have cpio archives that has to be specially extracted to have the separate contents |
| 21:26.57 | tremon | debdebdeb: that's because no one knows what you're asking for |
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| 21:27.37 | debdebdeb | what is a cpio archive and do .deb not have them? |
| 21:28.24 | nsadmin | debs are much simpler, and also easier to extract as no special tools are needed... a .deb is an .ar archive containing a text file and other content depending on the deb format version... currently, it's vers 2 which has a data.tar.gz and a control.tar.gz |
| 21:28.36 | TheWarden | could anyone tell me why at boot time this /etc/init.d/vncboot is not working http://elinux.org/RPi_VNC_Server? I'm using x11vnc. It works starting it manually. the stop is not working for sure. |
| 21:28.42 | nsadmin | no, debs have tarballs |
| 21:29.05 | debdebdeb | what is a cpio archive in comparison? |
| 21:29.20 | nsadmin | a cpio archive is a file representing many files |
| 21:29.34 | nsadmin | which is the exact same purpose of a tarball |
| 21:29.45 | nsadmin | they're just different format |
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| 21:30.46 | debdebdeb | why do debs use tar instead of cpio? |
| 21:31.00 | nsadmin | it starts from how slackware packaged |
| 21:31.10 | Fotografiona | so apparently we managed to install debian on a uefi-based thinkpad from a USB-stick |
| 21:31.26 | debdebdeb | slackware was tar? |
| 21:31.33 | nsadmin | yep |
| 21:31.33 | Fotografiona | we'll write an English documentation soon |
| 21:31.44 | HeliumPL | Thanks for help :) Bye, good night all |
| 21:32.45 | nsadmin | and the tarballs also contained scripts whose purpose was to help set the package up (or tear it down on removal) |
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| 21:33.37 | debdebdeb | so why did redhat go to cpio rather than tarball? |
| 21:33.54 | nsadmin | you'd have to ask them (#redhat) |
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| 21:34.14 | debdebdeb | (still trying to convince my company to move from redhat to debian) |
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| 21:34.32 | nsadmin | oh, is that the purpose for all the questions? |
| 21:34.44 | debdebdeb | so aside from tar vs cpio, how are deb different? |
| 21:35.02 | nsadmin | in that case you're going to have to find out how your company thinks redhat serves their purpose |
| 21:35.08 | debdebdeb | no, I love debian and have for years, want to get deeper into it, but I'm having to build rpms right now for wark... |
| 21:35.09 | Somelauw | It's fixed |
| 21:35.10 | gnarface | deb uses ar |
| 21:35.11 | debdebdeb | work rather |
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| 21:36.47 | nsadmin | I would suggese you don't try convincing them, because you will put yourself in the permanent position of supporting them along those lines |
| 21:37.10 | Fotografiona | haha |
| 21:37.25 | gnarface | also with deb files you build them from their source directory (wherever it sits) whereas with rpms you have to put the source directory in a predetermined spot in the filesystem inside a big scaffolding directory structure for the package building to work |
| 21:37.51 | gnarface | i found the actual process to be much simpler |
| 21:38.01 | nsadmin | it's VERY important that THEY make the decision, and they (independently from you) commit to learning what they need to know about debian |
| 21:38.27 | gnarface | i found the documentation on the other hand to be so inferior to redhat's however as to be laughable to even be calling it documentation |
| 21:38.29 | HeliumPL | get killed by a shooting banana |
| 21:38.55 | nsadmin | if they make that decision, they are also takign responsibility for that decision |
| 21:38.56 | debdebdeb | gnarface: rpm documentation is terrible |
| 21:39.08 | nsadmin | why is it terrible? |
| 21:39.13 | debdebdeb | I'm building right now and it's archaic and inacccurate and incomplete at best |
| 21:39.15 | gnarface | debdebdeb: boy wait till you try to figure out how to build packages without using checkinstall.... |
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| 21:40.14 | debdebdeb | nsadmin: I'm trying to do something seemingly simple in rpm and no documentation covers it and I can't anyone who knows how to do it... |
| 21:40.33 | gnarface | debdebdeb: it is possible it doesn't have that feature? |
| 21:41.36 | debdebdeb | gnarface: I have a small array of users and need the package to install to /home/$user/package with no external arguments to yum but yum install package, only one of the users of the array will ever exist on any system at any given time and if no users are found, exit 1 |
| 21:41.53 | debdebdeb | http://pastebin.com/j82VCeq6 |
| 21:41.56 | debdebdeb | that doesn't work |
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| 21:42.12 | nsadmin | debdebdeb, debian packages are NOT designed to do that |
| 21:42.23 | debdebdeb | I've talked to RHEL people, Fedora people, package maintainers... |
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| 21:42.37 | nsadmin | you would have to CREATE that ability |
| 21:42.46 | debdebdeb | you're telling me that an install script cannot be embedded in the .deb/.rpm? |
| 21:43.01 | nsadmin | I'm sure that's also the case with rpms |
| 21:43.12 | nsadmin | you would have to create that ability. |
| 21:43.29 | gnarface | debdebdeb: no no you mistake my intent. i wasn't trying to HELP you with this, i was trying to discourage you from trying. |
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| 21:43.41 | debdebdeb | gnarface: :) |
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| 21:44.01 | peterrooney | debdebdeb: debian packages can have at least two scripts associated with installation, preinst and postinst |
| 21:44.18 | debdebdeb | nsadmin: tell me this, how would I "create" the ability in a deb? maybe I can find a way to transfer that to rpm |
| 21:44.21 | debdebdeb | god willing |
| 21:44.41 | peterrooney | thinks gnarfaces sees the same XY problem I do |
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| 21:45.09 | gnarface | debdebdeb: deb files have a preinst/postinst script and a preuninst/postuninst script hook. i think there is also preconfig/postconfig and preunconfig/postunconfig right? can someone verify that? |
| 21:45.10 | debdebdeb | XY? |
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| 21:45.26 | debdebdeb | gnarface: %pre and %post in .rpm |
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| 21:45.35 | nsadmin | you're trying to do Y by doing X |
| 21:45.41 | debdebdeb | it executes by BASH but doesn't use my variables for the install |
| 21:46.22 | nsadmin | and so your question is not actually "how do I do Y", but "how do I do X" |
| 21:50.08 | nsadmin | postrm/prerm. and yes, confirmed |
| 21:50.33 | nsadmin | where do you define your variables? |
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| 21:53.03 | TheWarden | I'm running the following command and I get start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- 'f'. Where is the mistake? |
| 21:53.07 | themill | jhutchins_wk: sure, although I mostly use it through kontact rather than as a standalone. |
| 21:53.10 | TheWarden | start-stop-daemon --start --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/x11vnc.pid --background --nicelevel 15 --make-pidfile --exec /usr/bin/x11vnc -rfbauth /home/kiosk/.vnc/passwd -forever |
| 21:53.37 | TheWarden | I don't see a --f option? |
| 21:53.47 | TheWarden | I get this message even when running it manually |
| 21:53.48 | jhutchins_wk | themill: Then I have yet again found a way to break a perfectly good system. |
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| 21:54.30 | nsadmin | however I don't always agree either (1) with certain particular instances of claiming x/y problem, or (2) that by claiming x/y problem, that you don't imply they should change their design to something you think is better somehow. sometimes, a helpee has designed their own structure which is their X or some of which is their X, so their X is handled, all they need is Y and to have it fit into the way THEY WANT to do things |
| 21:54.54 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions kaddressbook |
| 21:54.54 | judd | Package: kaddressbook on i386 -- lenny: 4:3.5.9-5; squeeze: 4:4.4.7-3; sid: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1; wheezy: 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1 |
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| 21:57.16 | debdebdeb | so I saw cups needs help but I don't know anything about coding for a printer, how would I go about jumping on that grenade? |
| 21:57.43 | nsadmin | debdebdeb, why do you want to? |
| 21:58.04 | debdebdeb | I want to be a debian developer |
| 21:58.14 | themill | TheWarden: you probably want a "--" to separate your arguments to s-s-d from the arguments to x11vnc |
| 21:58.16 | nsadmin | that'll take you about 2 years |
| 21:58.16 | debdebdeb | one day.... |
| 21:58.33 | debdebdeb | I suppose debian maintainer first |
| 21:58.36 | nsadmin | and that's only if you hve the requisite knowledge |
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| 21:58.57 | nsadmin | there are a lot of things you can do without being a dd |
| 21:58.59 | debdebdeb | I'll requisite whatever I need |
| 21:59.23 | nsadmin | ok, learn bash, sh, python, perl, and C |
| 21:59.28 | nsadmin | also, make |
| 21:59.41 | nsadmin | and that's a -minimal- list |
| 21:59.59 | nsadmin | study the packaging manual |
| 22:00.00 | gnarface | dpkg, tell debdebdeb about nmg |
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| 22:01.35 | debdebdeb | I know bash/sh/perl/some c/heavy ruby |
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| 22:02.15 | debdebdeb | make....I know make install clean :) |
| 22:02.29 | gnarface | ruby needs more help than cups |
| 22:02.31 | gnarface | in debian |
| 22:02.51 | nsadmin | you need to know how to read and write makefiles in multiple styles (in support of multiple build systems) |
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| 22:03.20 | debdebdeb | gnarface: really? I do a lot of work with ruby and perl |
| 22:03.29 | nsadmin | ruby packages just don't work for me, so I always build ruby myself when I need it |
| 22:03.50 | nsadmin | when I build it myself, it always works |
| 22:03.52 | gnarface | debdebdeb: a lot of important gems are still missing from the package tree so shit doesn't work right unless you manually install it |
| 22:03.54 | debdebdeb | stable's 1.9.2 has some weird issues off and on... |
| 22:04.13 | nsadmin | you won't be able to change stable in any way |
| 22:04.16 | TheWarden | ahh I believe I've got it. the --exec command must be enclosed in ` characters. |
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| 22:04.22 | debdebdeb | gnarface: yeah, that is the one thing, with ruby and perl in debian, I install modules/gems with cpan/gem... |
| 22:04.22 | TheWarden | off to try this out. |
| 22:04.27 | Koneko349 | tail -f has stopped working on my system, "No space left on device" I have plenty of disk space and inodes avaliable. I have also increesed my watches 3 times with no success. |
| 22:04.39 | debdebdeb | nsadmin: so would I affect sid or experimental? |
| 22:04.45 | gnarface | nsadmin: you can often fix it by simply adding the right gem using ruby's built-in tools but knowing the name of the missing gem on the other hand without being a seasoned ruby developer... would be like betting on horses without knowing the names of any of the ones in the race |
| 22:04.49 | nsadmin | yes |
| 22:04.58 | ompaul | Koneko349: /var not full then |
| 22:05.11 | Koneko349 | correct not full 60% avaliable (116GB) |
| 22:05.21 | debdebdeb | nsadmin: well...I run sid at home |
| 22:05.26 | nsadmin | gnarface, the problem was always rubygems |
| 22:05.34 | debdebdeb | testing on workstations |
| 22:05.50 | debdebdeb | I'd love to help with ruby |
| 22:06.02 | debdebdeb | I just thought cups was hurting the most of all packages |
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| 22:06.17 | gnarface | it just maybe needs some current drivers |
| 22:06.17 | nsadmin | cups works fine for me... |
| 22:06.24 | ompaul | Koneko349: ok please paste to paste.debian.net the output of the following commands run as root: df -h ; mount ; free |
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| 22:06.48 | debdebdeb | nsadmin: not that it doesn't work but that the maintainer is so overwhelmed for so long and looking for help... |
| 22:06.53 | gnarface | debdebdeb: if you can contribute a driver for some model of printer not currently supported, please do. the list is definitely getting kindof old |
| 22:07.21 | Koneko349 | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/191359/ |
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| 22:08.50 | debdebdeb | how long till I get a really cool @debian.org email? |
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| 22:09.11 | debdebdeb | like dpkg@debian.org or apt-get-moo@debian.org |
| 22:09.14 | nsadmin | debdebdeb, 2 - 5 years |
| 22:09.18 | nsadmin | or longer |
| 22:09.21 | debdebdeb | :( |
| 22:09.34 | ompaul | Koneko349: I think I have it, ls -al the file you are tailing and uname -a please |
| 22:09.34 | debdebdeb | what if I commit a lot |
| 22:09.54 | debdebdeb | nsadmin: do you have a @debian? |
| 22:09.55 | ompaul | debdebdeb: then you burn out faster :) |
| 22:10.27 | debdebdeb | if I could put on a resume that I'm a debian developer...I'd be a made man |
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| 22:10.39 | tomreyn | to speed it up, you need to offer free massages to DDs and admins |
| 22:10.45 | debdebdeb | hah |
| 22:10.47 | jordanm | debdebdeb: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-checklist |
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| 22:11.32 | themill | TheWarden: --exec doesn't do what you think it does |
| 22:11.32 | Koneko349 | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/191360/ |
| 22:11.35 | nsadmin | thinks tomreyn is lookin for a happy ending... |
| 22:11.46 | tomreyn | i always do |
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| 22:12.04 | TheWarden | okay I must be doing something really off here. here is my init.d script for x11vnc https://gist.github.com/ba6bde1770dc2d5f4d05. It doesn't seem to work at boot time as the x11vnc process is not present. |
| 22:12.19 | ompaul | Koneko349: eh you tailed that file and were told that the disk was full? |
| 22:12.31 | Koneko349 | yes I will paste bin that for you |
| 22:12.47 | TheWarden | themill: oh it checks for process by that name? mmm how do I do this then... not even sure. |
| 22:13.39 | themill | TheWarden: there's a lot of things wrong with that... --exec is for finding the right process name to kill things, not for starting the process. You don't want backticks. Check the examples in the man page. |
| 22:13.40 | Koneko349 | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/004f43eb/ |
| 22:13.44 | TheWarden | themill: oh so really I should move my x11vnc command right after --start ? |
| 22:15.58 | ompaul | Koneko349: ah tail: cannot watch `ssl_access.log.1': No space left on device means Each used inotify watch takes up 540 bytes (32-bit system), or 1 kB (double - on 64-bit) |
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| 22:17.02 | ompaul | So, assuming you set the max at 524288, and all were used (improbable), you'd be using approx. 256MB/512MB of 32-bit/64-bit kernel memory |
| 22:17.10 | Koneko349 | correct and I have put this in my sysctl.conf to try to fix it... fs.inotify.max_user_watches = 32768 |
| 22:17.14 | TheWarden | themill: the reason I put backticks is because it seems to truncate the command when I was trying to execute it manually. |
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| 22:17.32 | ompaul | Koneko349: and restarted watchs? |
| 22:17.41 | Koneko349 | i rebooted the whole box |
| 22:17.45 | Armand | Hi guys |
| 22:18.28 | Armand | I'm running 6.0.5 on my laptop, and I can't seem to force 1024x768 via xorg.conf.. |
| 22:18.43 | Armand | It's stuck on 800x600. |
| 22:19.01 | Armand | http://pastebin.com/cERgKZQe |
| 22:19.08 | ompaul | Koneko349: have a look here https://github.com/guard/listen/wiki/Increasing-the-amount-of-inotify-watchers there are some people suggesting use all your ram but remember it can exhaust your box no matter how much you use it |
| 22:19.13 | debdebdeb | 800x600 is great, I don't need to wear my glasses with that res |
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| 22:19.32 | Armand | I have changed the mode under "Screen" |
| 22:19.36 | Armand | No use. |
| 22:19.52 | Koneko349 | I can give that a try, this is the 4th time i have increased the # so i hope it works... |
| 22:19.58 | Armand | debdebdeb, I'm running much higher res on this machine. :P |
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| 22:20.56 | Armand | debdebdeb: 1400x1050 |
| 22:21.00 | ompaul | Koneko349: your number looks low |
| 22:21.45 | Koneko349 | ompaul: im increasing to max now |
| 22:21.55 | TheWarden | themill: I looked at the examples but I don't seem to see how to do this still. mm |
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| 22:22.41 | Koneko349 | looks like its working now |
| 22:22.43 | themill | TheWarden: --startas x11vnc -- -rfbauth … |
| 22:22.57 | Koneko349 | if this dosen't solve it, what should i look at next, or just pop back in and ask again =P |
| 22:23.27 | ompaul | Koneko349: ask yourself if watch is what you want |
| 22:23.47 | Koneko349 | ompaul: im not sure i follow |
| 22:23.58 | Koneko349 | I need to have access to tail -f for troubleshooting |
| 22:24.16 | ompaul | Koneko349: na, if you are running into hard limits maybe you are using the wrong tool |
| 22:24.24 | Koneko349 | ahh |
| 22:24.50 | ompaul | and given I'm off to bed I'll leave you with the thought - there is more than one way to achieve most things |
| 22:25.04 | Koneko349 | thanks for your help =) |
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| 22:29.19 | TheWarden | themill: okay, thanks. I'll give that a try. |
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| 22:33.09 | TheWarden | themill: mm I tried that and it didn't work. mmmm |
| 22:33.30 | themill | tried what? |
| 22:33.49 | themill | Also, where's x11vnc going to get its xauth info from? |
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| 22:35.09 | TheWarden | lol not sure I'm just winging this.... never done this before and don't have a lot of experience with x11vnc either. |
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| 22:35.43 | adilroot | hi everyone |
| 22:35.49 | adilroot | i have a probleme |
| 22:36.01 | adilroot | recently install debian whith xfce |
| 22:36.26 | adilroot | i dont have sound and no sound controler |
| 22:36.38 | TheWarden | themill: mmm lost my pastebin link as I rebooted. I'll re-post |
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| 22:37.27 | TheWarden | themill: https://gist.github.com/a045c3a5feb447ac7db6 |
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| 22:38.20 | TheWarden | themill: there is a xauthority in the default user kiosk. Its really the only user that is intended to be used on this system since it is setup as a kiosk. |
| 22:38.25 | themill | TheWarden: you didn't include the -- before your arguments. |
| 22:38.35 | TheWarden | themill: oh crap really... |
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| 22:39.22 | themill | TheWarden: is this display being managed by something like gdm? or is the kiosk user logging in automatically? |
| 22:39.35 | prietus | could I bypass a buggi package by editing files in /var/lib/dpkg as available or status? |
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| 22:40.08 | themill | prietus: what are you really trying to do here? |
| 22:40.11 | TheWarden | themill: I have gdm3 installed but it does auto login. I'm using lxde if you need to know. |
| 22:40.17 | TheWarden | themill: https://gist.github.com/a045c3a5feb447ac7db6 how's that? |
| 22:40.55 | prietus | a bad package has ruined apt-get |
| 22:41.09 | themill | TheWarden: looks better, but x11vnc won't have xauth information to allow it to connect to the display. You need to get that information from wherever gdm hides it |
| 22:41.31 | themill | prietus: real output in paste.debian.net would be handy |
| 22:41.33 | nsadmin | prietus, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nopaste |
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| 22:42.08 | TheWarden | I think its good now with the --. I'll have to reboot and see brb. |
| 22:43.06 | TheWarden | themill: running it manually /etc/init.d/vncboot start appears to work along with stop. I'll do a reboot to verify that. Thanks so much for the help. |
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| 22:46.00 | nsadmin | prietus, if you dnn't have nopaste, aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl |
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| 22:46.37 | themill | of course if apt is unhappy, that's probably not possible |
| 22:46.52 | nsadmin | hmm, didn't think of that |
| 22:47.23 | TheWarden | themill: strange, it didn't run at reboot. oddly. It starts and stops when I run it manually as in /etc/init.d/vncboot start or /etc/init.d/vncboot stop |
| 22:47.34 | TheWarden | I know this by checking for the process ps -A | grep vnc |
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| 22:48.18 | nsadmin | prietus, so then, put the content of /etc/apt/sources.list into paste.debian.net |
| 22:48.28 | prietus | themill, nsadmin i have no issues but i remember of doing that time ago I suppose is dangerous |
| 22:48.30 | nsadmin | and tell the url it gives you here |
| 22:48.32 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 22:49.32 | WillPittenger | How do you uninstall the Gnome games and Evolution, but keep the Gnome desktop? |
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| 22:53.15 | TheWarden | mmmm I wish I knew what this wasn't working. |
| 22:54.33 | TheWarden | is there a log file I can look at for /etc/init.d errors? |
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| 22:56.16 | nsadmin | prietus, I can't help if I don't have the requested info |
| 22:56.30 | DHD | WillPittenger, just remove gnome desktop manually and packets what you whan, but dont execute "apt-get autoremove" |
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| 22:57.19 | prietus | sorry nsadmin and thanks |
| 22:57.36 | nsadmin | so you're not going to provide the info? |
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| 22:57.55 | prietus | nsadmin, i have no issue i was wondering if this could be made |
| 22:58.07 | syslq | I get fuse permission denied when using sshfs, my user IS part of fuse group, any ideas? |
| 22:58.19 | abrotman | TheWarden: what kind of errors? |
| 22:58.47 | nsadmin | "<prietus> a bad package has ruined apt-get" |
| 22:59.14 | prietus | yes nsadmin because i remeber having this issue |
| 22:59.41 | prietus | not now i have only official repos |
| 22:59.55 | TheWarden | abrotman: I have no idea, the /etc/init.d/vncboot script is not loading at boot time. |
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| 23:00.13 | WillPittenger | DHD: So you're saying I can uninstall the package "gnome" and keep the desktop somehow? |
| 23:00.18 | TheWarden | abrotman: I can run the script manually doing /etc/init.d/vncboot start or /etc/init.d/vncboot stop |
| 23:00.28 | abrotman | TheWarden: can you run it yourself ? full paths? |
| 23:00.57 | TheWarden | abrotman: well I run it like sudo /etc/init.d/vncboot start never tried without sudo |
| 23:01.03 | TheWarden | abrotman: here is the script https://gist.github.com/a045c3a5feb447ac7db6 |
| 23:01.14 | DHD | WillPittenger, right |
| 23:01.20 | DHD | yep |
| 23:01.35 | WillPittenger | So which package readds the Gnome desktop? |
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| 23:02.36 | abrotman | WillPittenger: reads? or installs? |
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| 23:02.51 | TheWarden | abrotman: running /etc/init.d/vncboot start returns "https://gist.github.com/a045c3a5feb447ac7db6" |
| 23:02.57 | WillPittenger | abrotman: "re-adds" |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | re-adds .. |
| 23:03.01 | abrotman | yes! |
| 23:03.07 | nsadmin | prietus, if you cause a required package to not be installed, things won't work |
| 23:03.08 | TheWarden | abrotman: ops thats not it it returned /etc/init.d/vncboot: line 21: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 23:03.15 | DHD | dpkg is smart, so trust him |
| 23:03.15 | abrotman | WillPittenger: tried to unmarkauto yet? |
| 23:03.15 | dpkg | DHD: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:03.19 | nsadmin | and your package db would be unhappy |
| 23:03.31 | abrotman | TheWarden: that seems like a problem |
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| 23:04.06 | TheWarden | abrotman: mmm do I need to do su or sudo in front of the start-stop-daemon commmand? |
| 23:04.20 | joulez | is there other ways to figure out usb devices without having to use lsusb? |
| 23:05.01 | TheWarden | abrotman: I figured init.d scripts would be ran by root but maybe not |
| 23:05.15 | prietus | ok nsadmin sure, but could be possible to bypass a package and its dependencies editing tha files? not a whole dependency package, sorry for my english |
| 23:06.01 | TheWarden | prietus: have you tried lshw? |
| 23:06.05 | abrotman | TheWarden: or the full path |
| 23:06.22 | somiaj | joulez: what do you want to figure out about them. dmesg will contain info about them when they are detected. |
| 23:06.51 | prietus | mmm TheWarden is this related to lspci? |
| 23:06.52 | themill | TheWarden: the init script would be run by root at boot time and should be run by root when you test it |
| 23:07.01 | prietus | whats the point? |
| 23:07.18 | prietus | im atlking about debian packages |
| 23:07.31 | joulez | somiaj: dmesg will do, thanks. |
| 23:08.08 | somiaj | joulez: you also have info in /sys/bus/usb about yoru devices, (and other places there), but lsusb is a nice way to see a list of all usbdevices, dmesg is a nice place to look right after you plug one in |
| 23:08.09 | TheWarden | prietus: no it lists hardware |
| 23:08.15 | TheWarden | themill: oh |
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| 23:09.32 | TheWarden | well this is odd, I ran the init.d script as root and it ran perfectly fine. Yet it doesn't work at boot time. What could I be missing. |
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| 23:10.19 | TheWarden | I did do "sudo update-rc.d vncboot defaults" |
| 23:10.22 | prietus | updatercd is for addin scripts |
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| 23:11.59 | somiaj | TheWarden: first is you can check update-rc.d made the links, ls /etc/rc?.d |
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| 23:12.21 | nsadmin | prietus, no, it's more specific than that. it's run by the package scripts to automate starting a service at boot time |
| 23:12.29 | somiaj | TheWarden: do you see the links S20script pointing to the script in your default runlevel (probabaly 2) |
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| 23:13.46 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh crap I don't think this is good I checked /etc/rc?.d and I have 7 links to /etc/init.d/vncboot |
| 23:14.14 | HSaka | Hello I'm trying to install debian with netinstall. But it get stuck at "Starting up the partiotioner" at 50%.... are there any reasons why? |
| 23:14.18 | TheWarden | I would assume it should only be one. mmm I think update-rc.d vncboot remove would remove them all and then I can add it back in. |
| 23:14.47 | somiaj | TheWarden: correct there should be only one. Ones that start with S mean start th eserveice, ones that start with K means stop or dont start the service. |
| 23:15.57 | TheWarden | somiaj: odd I removed it and then added it back in "sudo update-rc.d vncboot defaults" and then I checked /etc/rc?.d and it again has 7 vncboot links. |
| 23:16.22 | HSaka | somebody who can help me? |
| 23:16.46 | TheWarden | somiaj: this is it, https://gist.github.com/2bd97f898eaffdb50228 |
| 23:18.07 | TheWarden | HSaka: are you positive the installer media is not damaged or not created properly? If there was errors during creating the boot media this could be way or if your are using a DVD/CD it could be dirty |
| 23:18.18 | somiaj | TheWarden: well there should be one for each rc?.d directory |
| 23:18.28 | somiaj | TheWarden: I thought you ment 7 in one directory. |
| 23:19.19 | TheWarden | somiaj: oh well no but it still has duplicates at least as far as I can tell... mm is that the right results? Just trying to figure out why this is not running at boot time. |
| 23:19.23 | HSaka | I'm downloading via kable |
| 23:19.37 | HSaka | i sed unetbooting |
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| 23:19.39 | HSaka | used* |
| 23:19.55 | HSaka | then Stable Netinstall, and that's it. |
| 23:20.04 | TheWarden | HSaka: mmm if its downloading content from Internet maybe the mirror is not working well or slow. |
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| 23:20.24 | somiaj | TheWarden: you can put a 'echo "did I run" > /tmp/testfile.text' at the top of your script to see if it is run |
| 23:20.26 | HSaka | even if it is "Starting up the partitioner?" Scanning disc? |
| 23:20.42 | somiaj | TheWarden: I guess it is running but not functioning |
| 23:20.44 | TheWarden | HSaka: try a different one but from what you say it doesn't sound like its at at that part. mmmm not sure sorry. |
| 23:20.55 | HSaka | ic, diffrent what? |
| 23:20.57 | HSaka | diffrent* |
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| 23:21.24 | prietus | HSaka, go to another tty an see if there is an error message sometimes it helps if the system is not freezed |
| 23:21.34 | TheWarden | somiaj: but how can that be? It runs when I run it as root manually without issue. I verified that the expected process is running when running manually and it is. After a reboot the process is not present. |
| 23:21.37 | HSaka | tty? |
| 23:22.01 | TheWarden | HSaka: I was meaning try a different mirror but I don't that that is the issue... since its trying to start up. |
| 23:22.03 | prietus | if you run the installer localy |
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| 23:22.06 | HSaka | oki |
| 23:22.13 | somiaj | TheWarden: does the process you are running require certain services to be running first? |
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| 23:22.33 | abrotman | like X ... |
| 23:22.35 | HSaka | I will try |
| 23:22.37 | somiaj | TheWarden: again feel free to do that simple echo test and reboot (or change your run level) to verrify it is running. |
| 23:22.42 | TheWarden | somiaj: not that I know of, its x11vnc that I'm trying to run. |
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| 23:23.53 | TheWarden | somiaj: runlevel as in, inside the script or how it is positioned within the init.d? Personally I'm fine with it running last at boot time but mmm I'll have to look into this again later I guess |
| 23:23.55 | TheWarden | I have to run. |
| 23:24.02 | TheWarden | Thanks to everyone for your help. |
| 23:24.04 | themill | x11vnc requires X to be running |
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| 23:24.16 | somiaj | and there is your issue |
| 23:24.18 | TheWarden | oh well mabye its running before X is started. |
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| 23:24.33 | TheWarden | mmm how would I tell it to run after X is started? |
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| 23:24.49 | TheWarden | I can't believe I didn't say that to start with of course it requires X lol |
| 23:25.17 | somiaj | with lsb headers you can have it require that your dm be ran first |
| 23:25.36 | somiaj | but not sure if x will boot fast enough that it will be running by the time that init script is run |
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| 23:28.56 | mutante | packaging my own little web application (PHP/HTML/CSS etc) and i am trying to find the right "Section:" for the package, i am looking at the ones available, but neither "PHP "Everything about PHP", nor "Web Software "Web servers, browser,.." seem quite right.. hmm |
| 23:29.32 | HeadlessZombie | kernel panic cannot find root= (and yesterday apache could not start "Bus error (core dumped)") |
| 23:29.37 | abrotman | i'd go with PHP myself |
| 23:29.48 | HeadlessZombie | PHP |
| 23:29.52 | somiaj | mutante: or 'web' -- phpmyadmin is an example of such a thing |
| 23:30.38 | mutante | somiaj: thanks |
| 23:30.50 | somiaj | mutante: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net may have better advise, good place to ask questions about packaging as well. |
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| 23:31.35 | mutante | somiaj: ok, cool :) |
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| 23:32.40 | TheWarden | mm well I'll leave it be for now. I gotta run. thanks to all for your help. |
| 23:32.44 | TheWarden | take care |
| 23:33.01 | nsadmin | HeadlessZombie, fix the first problem you mention... what is your / partition? |
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| 23:33.52 | nsadmin | and, hmm, how did update-grub forget to put root= |
| 23:34.05 | HeadlessZombie | well im running from USB so im wondering if the 2 error are related |
| 23:34.24 | nsadmin | so am I |
| 23:34.55 | nsadmin | usb what, btw? |
| 23:35.32 | HeadlessZombie | everything was running fine, then i had to restart to update some network stuff for the router, and when it came back up apache wouldnt start any more so when i reboot again now i get no root= |
| 23:35.48 | HeadlessZombie | 16GB usb flash drive |
| 23:36.09 | ds999 | I've got a system with on-board video and a pcie video card, i want to only use the onboard video for monitor output, but X -configure is complaining that number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Anyone have any ideas on what's going on? |
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| 23:37.07 | HeadlessZombie | oh. |
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| 23:37.40 | HeadlessZombie | i know what happened..... my security settings werent high enough and i was in here asking questions about opencart.... |
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| 23:38.09 | blackshirt | headlesszombie, opencart?what the problem? |
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| 23:38.50 | HeadlessZombie | setting up a lab enviornment with no care for security and i think i just got hacked |
| 23:39.33 | nsadmin | other people in the lab want the data on your flash? |
| 23:39.38 | HeadlessZombie | was thinking maybe a problem with the USB device but now im wondering |
| 23:40.16 | HeadlessZombie | no but im sure theres at least 1 person on freenode interested in getting into a running opencart |
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| 23:40.39 | HeadlessZombie | not knowing theres no real customer data |
| 23:40.43 | HSaka | Thewarden, it got stuck at 50% again -.- |
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| 23:41.34 | Dovid | anyone have a how to or guide to getting a sound card working with debian? |
| 23:42.09 | somiaj | !tell Dovid about alsa-checklist |
| 23:42.47 | somiaj | Dovid: not cat /proc/sound/cards -- that will tell you if any cards are detected and drivers loaded. If that is empty you have to figure out what your card is and get a driver for it. |
| 23:42.52 | somiaj | not=note |
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| 23:44.24 | Dovid | somiaj: Even the how to is way above em |
| 23:44.25 | Dovid | me* |
| 23:45.10 | somiaj | it gives you step by step instructions of things to check |
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| 23:45.30 | somiaj | type 'groups' -- are you in the 'audio' group? |
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| 23:45.34 | Dovid | ok. let me show how clueless i am: add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) |
| 23:45.46 | somiaj | if not type 'adduser username audio' as root, and then logout/in as your main user |
| 23:46.09 | somiaj | usually by default debian puts the primary user in the audio group, so check 'groups' first before you add yoruself |
| 23:46.20 | Dovid | ah. i was in as root. i am coming from Redhat :0 |
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| 23:48.19 | somiaj | yea you are welcome to try to get it to work as root first, in that case don't worry about the audio group. But it usually encouraged to not do things as root uless you have to |
| 23:51.10 | WillPittenger | Still trying to uninstall some of the extra Gnome stuff. Evolution won't uninstall without uninstalling "gnome-core". |
| 23:52.15 | Dovid | <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped |
| 23:52.26 | Dovid | what dameon should i be looking for? |
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| 23:52.44 | somiaj | WillPittenger: do an apt-cache show gnome-core |
| 23:52.53 | p8m | I think gnome-core is just a virtual package |
| 23:53.11 | somiaj | Dovid: things like esd, jack, but most likely you don't have any installed |
| 23:53.17 | Dovid | aplay: main:682: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 23:53.32 | Dovid | i need a real dumbed down how to |
| 23:53.33 | somiaj | p8m: meta package actually (virtual packages are different) |
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| 23:54.04 | WillPittenger | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/z9pcp3N8 |
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| 23:54.18 | somiaj | WillPittenger: gnome-core is mearly a package that depends on every gnome package, so removing evolution (a gnome package) will remove the catch all package gnome-core |
| 23:54.20 | p8m | somiaj: good to know :) |
| 23:54.45 | somiaj | WillPittenger: that package doesn't effect gnome running or not, it just says that since you removed evolution you do not have the full gnome-core on your system (cause evolution is part of that core) |
| 23:55.06 | somiaj | WillPittenger: yea I just wanted you to read that and see it was a meta package |
| 23:56.04 | somiaj | p8m: a virtual package is one that can be assigned to many packages. For example a mail-transport-agent is a virtual package that all email servers provide. So a package can depend on that and work no matter what email server you choose to install. |
| 23:56.19 | somiaj | p8m: a meta-package is a mostly empty package that depends on a list of other packages. |
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| 23:58.49 | somiaj | p8m: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-virtual_pkg |
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