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| 00:02.17 | HeadlessZombie | sorry, connection dropped. am i going down the wrong path assumeing my apache's bus error and todays boot error are related to the USB drive? |
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| 00:04.11 | somiaj | I can see boot issues be related to usb drives if you don't use uuid's in /etc/fstab, I don't see why the apache bus error would be related. |
| 00:05.03 | somiaj | but I would keep looking though logs to try to track down the error |
| 00:05.25 | HeadlessZombie | xampp forum member told me to see if my linux supports running from USB as this is likely the problem. im pretty sure that is not the issue |
| 00:05.56 | somiaj | USB is just slow I wouldn't want to run the os from one. |
| 00:06.06 | somiaj | but you should be able to do it just fine |
| 00:06.42 | somiaj | but if you are running from the usb drive and either the usb driver (or the usb connenction) went bad you will start to get weird errors. |
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| 00:07.47 | WillPittenger | somiaj: Just restarted after uninstalling "gnome-core". I don't have a desktop. All I see is the wallpaper. No context menus. No bars. |
| 00:08.02 | WillPittenger | I was able to log in. |
| 00:08.34 | somiaj | that has nothing to do with the gnome-core package |
| 00:08.43 | HeadlessZombie | yeah i suspect the USB drive. couple of months ago i was using linux live USB creator to make a bootable USB of it and windows locked up unrecoverably during the process and only gparted could get it working again |
| 00:09.39 | somiaj | WillPittenger: did any other packages besides gnome-core and evolution get removed in that? |
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| 00:10.18 | WillPittenger | Empathy. Evince. The browser that gnome comes with. |
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| 00:11.56 | somiaj | none of those should haev caused what you experience. Sounds like gnome-session or gnome-pannel and things like that are missing |
| 00:12.18 | abrotman | evince is not a browser |
| 00:12.28 | abrotman | neither is empathy |
| 00:12.29 | somiaj | I think that was another thing he removed |
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| 00:12.41 | somiaj | as opposed to being either of those two |
| 00:13.06 | somiaj | WillPittenger: here is a quick test to make sure it isn't some user setting mess you up. Create a new user, login as that user, see if you ahve your bars/menus. |
| 00:13.31 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.14 | SiDz | debsums: changed file /var/lib/ndpmon/neighbor_list.xml (from ndpmon package) what should i put in /etc/debsums-ignore to ignore that? |
| 00:14.45 | SiDz | i wonder why debsems even watch there |
| 00:14.49 | SiDz | debsums |
| 00:15.39 | SiDz | tryed "/var/lib/ndpmon/neighbor_list.xml" "^/var/lib/ndpmon/neighbor_list.xml$" and "^/var/lib/ndpmon/neighbor_list.xml" none working |
| 00:16.54 | ManoftheSea | So, I tried running with a read-only root filesystem. |
| 00:17.03 | ManoftheSea | resolv.conf can't be updated. |
| 00:17.07 | ManoftheSea | ick. |
| 00:17.16 | WillPittenger | somiaj: It won't let me log in as root for some reason. "Authentication failure" |
| 00:17.39 | somiaj | logging in as root is a bad idea |
| 00:17.41 | somiaj | maek a new user |
| 00:17.55 | somiaj | (well x as root is a bad idea) |
| 00:17.57 | WillPittenger | How? |
| 00:18.05 | somiaj | 'adduser newusername' as root |
| 00:18.16 | ManoftheSea | what would be the package to file a bug against resolv.conf? |
| 00:18.19 | WillPittenger | I can't get in as root. |
| 00:18.38 | ManoftheSea | wait... no... /etc/resolv.conf should be a link to /var/resolv.conf, right? |
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| 00:19.37 | p8m | ManoftheSea: I think it's just a text file, not a link |
| 00:19.51 | ManoftheSea | p8m: I mean... I think I can fix it by making it a link. |
| 00:20.03 | ManoftheSea | Yeah, still a bug regards "/run transistion" |
| 00:20.07 | imMute | is there a way to get dpkg to create the /var/lib/dpkg stuff that it needs to operate? (context: I'm writing an installer for an embedded project) |
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| 00:20.51 | ManoftheSea | imMute: do you mean, like debootstrap? |
| 00:21.02 | somiaj | WillPittenger: crtl-alt-f1 -- login to a console |
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| 00:21.21 | WillPittenger | somiaj: I went to recovery mode. |
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| 00:22.49 | Buglouse | How was http://packages.debian.org/dict-moby-thesaurus translated to work with dictd? I'm trying to convert moby (csv) into dictd compat format. |
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| 00:24.12 | somiaj | Buglouse: look at the source package and build scripts? |
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| 00:24.39 | somiaj | maybe yhe changelog or buildd might say what was done. |
| 00:24.43 | WillPittenger | somiaj: New account. Same result. |
| 00:25.12 | somiaj | WillPittenger: Seems you are missing something, but not sure what. I don't know gnome that well |
| 00:25.16 | anigma | what other browser besides iceweasel do you guys recommend? |
| 00:25.40 | Buglouse | conkeror, for javascript interpretation; elinks. anigma |
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| 00:25.54 | imMute | ManoftheSea: maybe, the distro isn't any kind of debian, and what I've been doing so far was just mkdir/touch on the paths that dpkg complains about not finding. |
| 00:26.06 | somiaj | what are ya looking for anigma. You have chromium and many browsers built off webkit |
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| 00:26.24 | Buglouse | somiaj: Yeah, diff posts script. Ty |
| 00:26.39 | anigma | well, basically just something that gets me into this site: https://fronter.com/hio/ |
| 00:26.43 | ManoftheSea | imMute: if it's not Debian, it doesn't get support here. sorry. |
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| 00:27.13 | imMute | ManoftheSea: could you suggest a place to get help with dpkg then? |
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| 00:28.53 | ManoftheSea | imMute: you might try asking your distro's channel for help. I believe you can get debootstrap on RH distros. However, you may be doing something so weird there is not channel for you. |
| 00:28.56 | somiaj | anigma: what is keeping you from getting into that site. It may be a plugin vs a browser issue. |
| 00:29.25 | imMute | ManoftheSea: there is no distro, it's just dpkg. |
| 00:29.26 | ManoftheSea | imMute: I believe you could try the dpkg man pages and source, as well. I don't know. |
| 00:29.39 | ManoftheSea | Well, perhaps you'd like to convert to Debian? |
| 00:29.52 | ManoftheSea | What architecture? Would Debian work for you? |
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| 00:30.21 | Theoden | http://www.cyberciti.biz/ref/apt-dpkg-ref.html |
| 00:30.28 | imMute | ManoftheSea: I don't know that debian would work, or if the company would want to switch to it. it's an ARM system. |
| 00:30.39 | somiaj | anigma: if you are running squeeze and you think you need a newer browser, try mozilla.debian.net for a newer iceweasle |
| 00:30.44 | anigma | somiaj: well, the notice on the frontpage keeps telling me that "FIREFOX 3 for Linux" is not supported.. am I running an old version perhaps? I've updated all my packages as of this morning. |
| 00:31.19 | somiaj | yea the iceweasle in squeeze is basically firefox 3, goto mozilla.debian.net -- follow the instructions for squeeze |
| 00:31.24 | imMute | ManoftheSea: probably the best way to think about it is - I've got a Linux From Scratch system that I want to add packaging to (using dpkg) |
| 00:31.51 | ManoftheSea | imMute: Debian has a soft-float ARM arch support. |
| 00:31.55 | anigma | ah, will do. |
| 00:31.57 | anigma | thanks |
| 00:32.43 | imMute | ManoftheSea: don't get me wrong, I'd *love* to switch to an actual supported distro, but the company has put restrictions on that, so it's homebrew for me :( |
| 00:32.43 | ManoftheSea | And comes with packaging. |
| 00:33.06 | ManoftheSea | You will find difficulty in adding packaging to a foreign distro (or lack thereof) because of the essential packages. |
| 00:33.42 | ManoftheSea | imMute: I question what they gain by using LFS rather than a well-supported, community maintained distro like Debian. |
| 00:33.48 | ManoftheSea | Is it a concern over the license? |
| 00:33.55 | imMute | ManoftheSea: right, so we have a system that boots and runs and all that jazz, but installing is literally just copying the / to a new controller. |
| 00:34.07 | ManoftheSea | I've done LFS before. |
| 00:35.24 | ManoftheSea | imMute: here's what I'd suggest, though I'm not the most experience here: |
| 00:35.37 | ManoftheSea | Use debootstrap on some media you can later mount to the target system. |
| 00:36.15 | dondelelcaro | imMute: what are the actual restrictions? I mean, worst comes to worst, you can actually build all of Debian from source if you really had to, though that seems a bit silly |
| 00:36.37 | ManoftheSea | pass the --arch=arm or armel |
| 00:36.49 | somiaj | imMute: maybe look at damn small linux. They are debian based but around being very small. Might be useful to see how you can do make your own debian based system. |
| 00:36.56 | ManoftheSea | !emdebian |
| 00:36.56 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 00:37.00 | imMute | ManoftheSea: well it didn't start as LFS - it started as a Arago bitbake thing, that we got to work once. it was using ipkg at first, but we switched to dpkg and it slowly grew into a mess. |
| 00:37.38 | ManoftheSea | imMute: feature-creep. It gets us all. Perhaps now is the time to clean your tech-debt |
| 00:38.06 | ManoftheSea | emdebian supports armel and armhf |
| 00:38.08 | imMute | in all honesty, this is waaay off my original question, which was "how does the debian installer setup the /var/lib/dpkg stuff?" |
| 00:38.37 | ManoftheSea | imMute: I agree, it is. I don't know. |
| 00:39.14 | imMute | and I've been looking all over, but I get lost in the sources and havn't figured out where the magic actually happens |
| 00:39.15 | dondelelcaro | imMute: it calls debootstrap which unpacks the packages which enable that to be configured |
| 00:39.15 | ManoftheSea | I know that debootstrap DOES set it up, while also installing the essential packages, which include the system libraries and much of /etc. |
| 00:39.48 | ManoftheSea | Which means... to get any kind of consistent dpkg, you're going to stomp all over whatever system you already have. |
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| 00:39.59 | ManoftheSea | One option is a chroot. |
| 00:40.18 | ManoftheSea | debian-chroot is common in projects like that. |
| 00:40.41 | ManoftheSea | !debootstrap |
| 00:40.43 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 00:41.03 | ManoftheSea | so, imMute, what your asking isn't supported. |
| 00:41.49 | imMute | ManoftheSea: well my solution is to boot from a micro-SD disk (which I can already do), and mount the flash partition, create the basic / structure, use dpkg --root to unpack (but not "configure") the bare minimum packages to chroot, chroot into the flash / and run the rest of dpkg |
| 00:42.19 | ManoftheSea | imMute: do that, but with debootstrap instead of dpkg |
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| 00:45.09 | imMute | debootstrap looks like what I was looking for, and not much source to get lost in. thanks for the pointer. |
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| 00:46.20 | sonnie | hi,i'm using 3.2.0-3-amd64. how to solve this problem? open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory |
| 00:46.55 | sonnie | version: wheezy/sid |
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| 00:48.13 | joulez | sonnie: obviously the driver for your "device" that creates the special file "sequencer" in /dev hasn't loaded and/or initiated as expected. |
| 00:48.31 | knob | Hello... I'm logged into a box as root... where would I find the directories of a user? |
| 00:48.41 | knob | I checked inside /usr .... yet... not sure |
| 00:48.45 | ManoftheSea | sonnie: that sounds like an audio problem. Do you know which of ALSA, Pulseaudio, ESS you're using? |
| 00:48.55 | ManoftheSea | knob: /home |
| 00:49.06 | ManoftheSea | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.13 | knob | *facepalm |
| 00:49.16 | dondelelcaro | sonnie: depends what you're trying to do. /dev/snd/seq is usually the alsa location. |
| 00:49.46 | knob | Awesome =) |
| 00:49.52 | tomreyn | knob: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard#Directory_structure |
| 00:49.55 | knob | thanks DudeOfTheOcean! =D |
| 00:50.02 | Aenigma | i did not know usr stood for that. it makes sense now :3 |
| 00:50.18 | knob | useful link... thanks romreyn |
| 00:50.21 | knob | tomreyn |
| 00:50.21 | sonnie | joulez, i'm trying to play midi file. it worked months ago before i upgraded. |
| 00:50.24 | tomreyn | yw |
| 00:50.42 | ManoftheSea | Aenigma: check tomreyn's link. It may be a different acronym now, or in the past. |
| 00:50.43 | dondelelcaro | sonnie: you want /dev/snd/seq; whatever is trying to open /dev/sequencer is using the outdated location of the sequencer |
| 00:51.01 | dondelelcaro | sonnie: you can temporarily symlink it if you have to |
| 00:51.08 | ManoftheSea | knob: the dude abides. |
| 00:51.20 | joulez | perhaps its an oss compat layer |
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| 00:52.00 | joulez | http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sound/alsa/seq_oss.html |
| 00:52.08 | sonnie | i created symlink now it reports "there is no soundcard" |
| 00:52.21 | joulez | sonnie: no. |
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| 00:53.23 | Aenigma | ManoftheSea: says it's for read-only user stuffs. "Secondary hierarchy for read-only user data; contains the majority of (multi-)user utilities and applications." |
| 00:53.33 | sonnie | snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_midi all loaded |
| 00:54.10 | joulez | sonnie: can this "app" of yours not use OSS? |
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| 00:55.21 | ManoftheSea | Aenigma: http://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard |
| 00:55.28 | ManoftheSea | "formerly from UNIX source repository, now from UNIX system resources" |
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| 00:56.16 | joulez | i actually prefer /user over /home *shrug* :P |
| 00:56.28 | ManoftheSea | well, that's not FHS compliant |
| 00:56.36 | joulez | no |
| 00:57.15 | ManoftheSea | and doesn't get supported here. |
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| 01:00.05 | peterrooney | ManoftheSea: that "fact" is untrusted. I suspect it's a backronym. |
| 01:00.42 | joulez | yes i remembering back logging into my unix account at school |
| 01:00.53 | joulez | it was /usr |
| 01:00.58 | joulez | *shrug* |
| 01:02.00 | joulez | or /user i forget and no longer care. |
| 01:05.16 | joulez | /srv was a good addition imo |
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| 01:06.13 | ManoftheSea | peterrooney: I believe it. |
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| 01:13.38 | foobary | I'm trying to automate removing a package, but the package keeps popping up a prompt where you just have to hit ok. How do I skip this, or feed it a preseed? |
| 01:14.36 | joulez | foobary: what package manager? (apt, aptitute etc) and what package? |
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| 01:15.38 | sonnie | wildmidi and deadbeaf can open the midi file, but with no sound |
| 01:16.35 | foobary | joulez: apt or aptitude, resolvconf |
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| 01:20.16 | thump3r | foobary: this should work... http://superuser.com/questions/116014/automatically-agree-to-license-agreement-when-using-apt-get-install-sun-java6-j |
| 01:21.03 | foobary | thump3r: ya, but usually you get debconf answers via debconf-selectoins for installed package |
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| 01:21.11 | foobary | thump3r: i don't know how you would do that for a package you are removing |
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| 01:22.08 | thump3r | foobary: i meant script with expect... won't expect send the carriage return for you. |
| 01:28.51 | tomreyn | foobary: does this not list the template of the prompt you get to see? debconf-show resolvconf |
| 01:29.48 | tomreyn | IF it does you could just set the desired response in the database automatically before the package uninstalls |
| 01:30.19 | tomreyn | by piping into debconf-set-selections |
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| 01:31.02 | tomreyn | i assume the "resolvconf/reboot-recommended-after-removal" template is the prompt you get to see there |
| 01:31.32 | foobary | tomreyn: i was'nt aware of that command, trying it |
| 01:32.25 | foobary | tomreyn: hmm ya i think i can play with that and try to turn off the option, i see it listed |
| 01:32.26 | foobary | thanks |
| 01:32.34 | tomreyn | yw |
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| 02:00.05 | baronobeefdip | I am building a cluster with debian squeeze, I have read that in order for a cluster to work you need to setup some NFS stuff, What types of NFS configurations should be done for setting up a cluster |
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| 02:02.09 | baronobeefdip | hello i need some help with building my cluster |
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| 02:16.27 | WillPittenger | somiaj: You want to try again? I reinstalled Debian. |
| 02:17.02 | somiaj | WillPittenger: you can ask more questions. Just pay attention to what your remove this time so you can install stuff back. |
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| 02:42.26 | dmbaturin | Anyone got sound working with "Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller"? |
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| 02:44.41 | dondelelcaro | dmbaturin: if you search for the pci ids, you'll probably figure out if it's supported |
| 02:44.51 | dondelelcaro | dmbaturin: but I'd suspect that it is; check dmesg for details |
| 02:45.08 | dondelelcaro | (by snd_hda_intel on a relatively recent kernel) |
| 02:47.26 | dmbaturin | dondelelcaro: snd_hda_intel is loaded, the card seems supported (detected by mixer tools etc.). But I hear no sound. |
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| 02:50.10 | dvs | !alsa checklist |
| 02:50.10 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) squeeze: purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 02:53.42 | scri | if i want to install testing, am i supposed to install squeeze, then change my repo's? |
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| 02:54.16 | trenter2 | what is eqvt of httpd -S / apachectl -S in debian ? |
| 02:54.17 | scri | also... there aren't may torrents for the installer |
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| 02:54.26 | dmbaturin | scri: No. Just download the netinst or other iso. |
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| 02:54.51 | scri | i mean peers |
| 02:54.59 | dmbaturin | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:55.29 | dmbaturin | They all are available by HTTP, no need to use unholy protocols. :) |
| 02:55.32 | scri | i've got it, just prefer torrents |
| 02:55.39 | scri | haha |
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| 02:58.56 | Nikozzzzzz | Hello fellow debianians! |
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| 03:16.16 | casherxl | Any reason I can't pay my building $125 for parking |
| 03:16.17 | casherxl | then rent out the spot for $250? |
| 03:17.05 | dmbaturin | casherxl: It's a question for the bulding maintainer, I guess. |
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| 03:19.27 | ChibaPet | Hey all. Just curious... I see lib32asound2-plugins on packages.debian.org, but not in my actual available packages. I'm not sure how to figure out what the situation is with the package. Thanks in advance for clues! |
| 03:20.02 | ChibaPet | Hm, maybe it only existed in Squeeze. |
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| 03:20.31 | scanwinder | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.50 | ChibaPet | scanwinder: Don't suppose keys are a possibility...? |
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| 03:21.43 | ChibaPet | If so, ssh-copy-id is your friend. |
| 03:21.48 | ChibaPet | And ssh-agent. |
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| 03:22.19 | scanwinder | ChibaPet: I'm not too sure how keys work, do i need to create them on all the client machines and then somehow have the keys in a file on the machine i'm using to connect to them? |
| 03:22.39 | scanwinder | ChibaPet: I will look up ssh-copy-id and ssh-agent, thanks |
| 03:22.42 | ChibaPet | scanwinder: You want to find a tutorial, but in short, you have two key halves, one private and one public. |
| 03:23.08 | ChibaPet | You keep the private half on your box, and install the public half on your target machines. |
| 03:23.11 | ChibaPet | man ssh-keygen |
| 03:23.40 | ChibaPet | in general, you'll want to ssh-keygen and don't specify any arguments unless you really know why you want to |
| 03:24.11 | scanwinder | ChibaPet: Cool, thanks for that, I will investigate, sounds like what i'm looking for |
| 03:24.20 | ChibaPet | As for passwordless access, you *can* make a key with no passphrase associated, but that's dangerous. More complex but safer (and keys are generally safer than passwords in any event) is using ssh-agent. |
| 03:24.31 | ChibaPet | It's almost certainly what you want. Lifesaver in big environments. |
| 03:24.53 | ChibaPet | So: ssh-agent, ssh-keygen, ssh-copy-id |
| 03:25.21 | scanwinder | ChibaPet: Yeah, i'm happy to enter a password of some kind, just not on every machine individually |
| 03:25.27 | ChibaPet | You'll need to log in once to each machine so ssh-copy-id can install your key, but after that, once you have ssh-agent going, you're good. And thinking about it, desktop environments probably manage an ssh-agent for you already. |
| 03:25.54 | ChibaPet | Usually you'll feed your agent your key passphrase on login, and it'll negotiate on your behalf thereafter. |
| 03:26.17 | ChibaPet | Take care if the machine you're logging into can be accessed by other admins - especially ones that can get root. |
| 03:26.23 | ChibaPet | But this is the case in any event. |
| 03:26.54 | scanwinder | ChibaPet: These machines will be getting imaged on a regular basis, it's for a lab used to teach IT Units. Does that mean every time they are imaged a new key would need to be generated? |
| 03:27.16 | ChibaPet | No, but your public keyhalf will need to be reinstalled. |
| 03:27.22 | ChibaPet | Ideal would be getting it included in your account. |
| 03:27.31 | ChibaPet | This should be quite possible through a number of mechanisms. |
| 03:28.07 | scanwinder | ChibaPet: alright, thanks. I will start doing some reading on the things you have mentioned |
| 03:28.07 | ChibaPet | If you use Puppet or the equivalent, that's one easy way. |
| 03:28.15 | ChibaPet | Sure. You'll love it. Infinitely flexible. |
| 03:28.31 | ChibaPet | You'll be using ssh for things you don't anticipate right now. It's addictive. |
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| 03:30.21 | ChibaPet | (Random ideas, most of which I use on occasion: forwarding to web proxies, setting up SOCKS proxies, protecting synergy sessions, instituting temporary VPNs, plugging in OTP of various flavours...) |
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| 03:31.48 | ChibaPet | And now, I'll see if I can cherry-pick this one library I really want from libasound2-plugins on a real i386 machine. Sigh. |
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| 03:32.58 | ChibaPet | Whimper. ldd libasound_module_conf_pulse.so | wc -l returns 32 lines. Maybe I'll try this multiarch thing again. |
| 03:33.05 | ChibaPet | 33 lines |
| 03:33.43 | scri | hey, i can't find the md5sums for the netinst... :/ |
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| 03:33.56 | sobrediggler | Righto does anyone have any comments on online resizing for ext4 ? Limits and tribulations? Use of dell/vmware software solutions notwithstanding. |
| 03:34.05 | somiaj | scri: where you are looking or getting the netinstall? |
| 03:34.20 | scri | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:34.44 | ChibaPet | scanwinder: Look here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:34.56 | ChibaPet | The links to the arches don't make it easy, but if you pick it apart, there they all are. |
| 03:35.07 | ChibaPet | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 03:35.08 | ChibaPet | for instance |
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| 03:35.10 | somiaj | scri: they are in the same directories as the installers |
| 03:35.12 | somiaj | scri: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta2/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:35.17 | somiaj | or what ever arch you want |
| 03:35.21 | scri | ah ok |
| 03:35.34 | scri | yeah i saw that, actually |
| 03:35.36 | ChibaPet | oh, I hit the wrong sc<tab> |
| 03:36.19 | scri | there wasn't a link, so i was hopelessly lost |
| 03:36.39 | ChibaPet | Yeah, you have to make the assumption that they're there somewhere, and guess at it, but then you get the prize. :P |
| 03:37.34 | scri | i've heard that's the Debian Way |
| 03:37.56 | ChibaPet | Nah, pretty unusual in my experience. Most things are well-documented. |
| 03:38.35 | scri | well that was on #archlinux, so it needs a grain of salt |
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| 03:38.54 | ChibaPet | heh |
| 03:39.10 | ChibaPet | That's unfortunate. I tend to like the Arch docs for things I find. |
| 03:40.18 | ChibaPet | I suppose I undulge in that myself, mostly when people mention one of the many Debian-ripoffs. |
| 03:40.22 | ChibaPet | indulge* |
| 03:41.05 | scri | if you ask the arch bot about debian i think it says "there's mold growing on this software!" |
| 03:41.29 | ChibaPet | Takes a stable platform to accumulate mold. |
| 03:42.14 | simonlnu | if you wanna take this to #debian-offtopic, that would be great. otherwise, please keep it on-topic |
| 03:42.35 | SomeoneWeird | Anyone know why it's impossible for me to delete a folder? even as root I get permission denied |
| 03:42.39 | dmbaturin | "amixer: Mixer hw:0 load error: Invalid argument". What does it meant? |
| 03:42.42 | dmbaturin | * mean |
| 03:42.45 | ChibaPet | Debian being stable and having somewhat older releases than one might expect seems pretty on-topic to me. |
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| 03:43.19 | ChibaPet | SomeoneWeird: read-only FS? Check your mount? Check to see if you have selinux or similar? |
| 03:43.36 | SomeoneWeird | not readonly, I can delete otherstuff and don't have selinux |
| 03:43.41 | SomeoneWeird | which is why I'm confused as hell |
| 03:43.46 | somiaj | SomeoneWeird: first they are called directoires, second what directory are you trying to delte and how are you trying to delete it? |
| 03:44.10 | SomeoneWeird | sudo rm -Rf folder |
| 03:44.11 | ChibaPet | SomeoneWeird: lsattr your folder? Maybe it's immutable? Don't remember if that's supposed to deny a delete. |
| 03:44.29 | simonlnu | +i yes |
| 03:44.38 | SomeoneWeird | hmm |
| 03:45.03 | SomeoneWeird | awesome that worked, thanks guys |
| 03:45.06 | ChibaPet | Woohoo! |
| 03:45.13 | SomeoneWeird | no idea how it got +i but it worked so :) |
| 03:45.14 | ChibaPet | Glad to help you with the tricky folder. |
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| 03:46.29 | ChibaPet | Well, no help for my question, and the usual suspects are as rude as usual, so I guess I won't hang around much. Ask one, answer three. Good enough for tonight. Have a great one! |
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| 03:47.31 | simonlnu | didn't know what the question was |
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| 03:49.28 | dmbaturin | http://pastie.org/4769885 This is what I get when [re]starting ALSA. |
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| 03:50.33 | somiaj | dmbaturin: what do you expect to do with restarting alsa, that should just set up the mixer. cat /proc/asound/cards -- do you see your sound cards there |
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| 03:52.29 | dmbaturin | somiaj: I expect the sound to work. I restarted alsa to reproduce the message I get at boot time. |
| 03:53.08 | somiaj | well all that does is reload the mixer settings that were saved when you shut down |
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| 03:53.29 | somiaj | so you either have somethign wrong with your sound card or that script. I would first just see if it is sound, so check you have a sound card driver loaded |
| 03:53.34 | somiaj | (do you rember what you did before this error started) |
| 03:53.39 | dmbaturin | somiaj: Sure. Still, what does that message tell me? |
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| 03:54.08 | dmbaturin | I did nothing, apart from installing the system half an hour ago. |
| 03:54.36 | fluffywolf | it seems a recent update has hosed gcc pretty well. the problem seems to be the search paths for includes and libraries no longer work, with errors like "/usr/include/features.h:323:26: error: bits/predefs.h: No such file or directory" and "/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory |
| 03:54.49 | somiaj | dmbaturin: there is some error loading the mixer settings. You have an invalid argument hding somewhere. Again lets get yoru sound working and then worry about fixing the mixer restore script |
| 03:55.03 | simonlnu | fluffywolf: squeeze? (and hi) |
| 03:55.11 | fluffywolf | any ideas? /etc/ld.so.conf.d/i486-linux-gnu.conf contains the directory where crt1.o is... |
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| 03:55.44 | fluffywolf | simonlnu: stable, with a couple unstable packages mixed in. |
| 03:55.46 | dmbaturin | somiaj: What to look at? |
| 03:55.50 | somiaj | fluffywolf: there is your problem |
| 03:55.58 | somiaj | fluffywolf: you cannot mix unstable + stable. Learn about backports |
| 03:56.06 | fluffywolf | worked fine until the last batch of updates.... now can't compile anything. |
| 03:56.07 | somiaj | dmbaturin: I told you how to look. please do |
| 03:56.21 | fluffywolf | somiaj: wouldn't it be nice if every single thing you ever needed was backported? |
| 03:56.25 | somiaj | fluffywolf: yea mixing unstable and stable is bad juju, things will just start breaking |
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| 03:56.35 | somiaj | fluffywolf: make your own, they are fairly easy for many packages, /msg dpkg ssbp |
| 03:56.44 | ChibaPet | simonlnu: Please don't private-message me. |
| 03:56.51 | ChibaPet | I have no interest in private communication with you. |
| 03:57.00 | simonlnu | *plonk* |
| 03:57.00 | somiaj | fluffywolf: again its rarely the pakage you isntalled but the core libs from sid that get installed |
| 03:57.04 | dmbaturin | somiaj: Could you be a little more specific? |
| 03:57.14 | simonlnu | i would be very happy to ignore you |
| 03:57.17 | ChibaPet | Plonk is right, you punk. Good idea. |
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| 03:57.36 | somiaj | fluffywolf: now you are mixing core libs from stable and squeeze and many things will just start having issues because libc6 is not compadable anymore |
| 03:57.38 | ChibaPet | And returned. Thank you. You're now my first and only ignore-list person. Have a good evening. |
| 03:58.04 | somiaj | dmbaturin: how could I be more specific than 'cat /proc/asound/cards' -- and see if you see your sound card |
| 03:58.42 | fluffywolf | ChibaPet: I have no idea who you are, but if you're finding you need to ignore simon, I'd suspect you're doing something wrong. |
| 03:58.55 | fluffywolf | although maybe that's simonrvn I'm thinking of. |
| 03:59.19 | somiaj | fluffywolf: also if you want these newer sid packges for compling, you should consider building yourself a sid chroot with debootstrap on your stable system |
| 03:59.23 | dmbaturin | somiaj: Sorry. http://pastie.org/4769911 |
| 03:59.28 | simonlnu | fluffywolf: same person, yes |
| 03:59.48 | ChibaPet | fluffywolf: No, I came in earlier and asked a question. No one answered, but I was happy to answer several questions while here. In the middle of that a couple people were randomly rude to me and/or the people whose questions I was answering. Noting this, I left, and then simon decided he needed to private-message me. I do not private-message on IRC, so I brought it back here. Sufficient? |
| 03:59.51 | fluffywolf | so then, yes. if you're ignoring him, I'd wager you're the one with the issue, not him. he's helpful. :P |
| 04:00.03 | simonlnu | fluffywolf: might need to check the system path for those |
| 04:00.09 | somiaj | fluffywolf: but to fix your problem, you can use aptitude to search for all packages that are not from teh stable repo and then manually downgradt ehm all to the stable repo version and start making backports. Or fully upgrade to sid, or reinstall. |
| 04:00.11 | ChibaPet | Ah. No, no issue per se, other than an intolerance for rudeness. |
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| 04:01.14 | fluffywolf | simonlnu: if I use -I to specify the correct include path, the first error goes away... but I don't know why ld can't find crt1.so, as it's in one of the pathes specified in its conf. |
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| 04:01.42 | ChibaPet | fluffywolf: Frankly, I never linger in this channel, because of my expectation of rudeness, either to me or to others. I occasionally come in with a question, but have never in fact had a question answered. But I stay and answer other people's questions, as I have some notion of netiquette. |
| 04:02.03 | ChibaPet | fluffywolf: ld.so.conf, and ldconfig after to make it "take?" |
| 04:02.07 | simonlnu | fluffywolf: the problem with mixing things like that is that the paths will change, due to various library changes. so, i'm not surprised things break. |
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| 04:02.21 | ChibaPet | I missed the beginning of your question, though, so I might be missing something critical. |
| 04:02.34 | fluffywolf | this is annoying, because it broke on an update, not on my actually doing anything. :P |
| 04:02.42 | ChibaPet | sid, that can happen |
| 04:02.57 | simonlnu | a lot of things are getting put into /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ (or amd64-*) |
| 04:03.05 | ChibaPet | I'm never brave enough to run anything newer than testing. |
| 04:03.23 | FreeNslaved | can anyone familiar with clonzilla to imagine help ? |
| 04:03.39 | fluffywolf | simonlnu: crt1.o is /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/crt1.o, but even with -L /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ it still doesn't find it, so I'm missing something... |
| 04:04.06 | simonlnu | i'd agree |
| 04:04.24 | simonlnu | (that's what somiaj said, too) |
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| 04:05.01 | fluffywolf | I mean, either I'm missing some concept, or something is broken in other ways... I don't see why it can't find a .o file in a directory given with -L. :) |
| 04:05.01 | somiaj | ChibaPet: I find sid nicer than testing. testing has its own issues, and sid gets fixed way quicker. Its the mixing that is the main issues with binary distributions. |
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| 04:05.34 | fluffywolf | if it were just an issue of paths, that should work, I think... |
| 04:05.46 | simonlnu | esp. squeeze and wheezy/sid. libc is compatible, but there's been a lot of work done in the latter two |
| 04:05.52 | FreeNslaved | ahh never mind...youtube is helpful |
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| 04:06.35 | somiaj | dmbaturin: ok sorry didn't mean to ignore you. Anways looks like you have a card. 'alsamixer' -- can you adjust the settings on that card? (sound levels) |
| 04:06.43 | somiaj | !tell dmbaturin about alsa-checklist |
| 04:06.50 | somiaj | also look though that to get your sound card working |
| 04:07.39 | fluffywolf | does it have the step where you find an alsa dev and club them over the head for saving the status in reverse order so your sound cards swap place every single time you reboot unless you manually add index options? :) |
| 04:08.21 | simonlnu | that's been left out of the "official" tuts ;p |
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| 04:08.29 | somiaj | fluffywolf: they switch because there is really no detection order. On my system they don't always change, it is more how the kernel probes the devices than how alsa saves the info. |
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| 04:08.56 | fluffywolf | somiaj: on the three boxes I've had with multiple cards, they'd swap place on every single reboot or alsa reload. :) |
| 04:08.57 | somiaj | mine cards swap about 1 in 5 boots, and the onboard one is always 1 |
| 04:08.59 | somiaj | always 0 |
| 04:09.04 | simonlnu | that's why i usually manually load them via /etc/modules |
| 04:09.19 | somiaj | yea it is annoying, but I always thought it was a kernel card detection order issue more than alsa |
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| 04:09.51 | simonlnu | you still have to use an index if you have multiple devices with the same driver |
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| 04:10.33 | fluffywolf | so, other than mixing stable/unstable being bad, what is the specific thing breaking compiling right now? crt1.o is in the paths in /etc/ld.so.conf, and even specifying it with -L, it still doesn't find it, and won't link. |
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| 04:11.34 | somiaj | I can't think of anything. But that is the bad juju of mixing. There are just sligt differences in what libs the package was compiled against vs the libs on your system causing strange behavior. Sometimes you can track it down and fix, sometimes you can't. |
| 04:11.39 | simonlnu | i'm running wheezy/sid (pinned to wheezy) and mine is also in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ |
| 04:11.39 | Some_Person | What's the advantage of ext4 over ext3? |
| 04:11.54 | somiaj | ext4 is way faster in many bench marks |
| 04:11.58 | Some_Person | I ask because ext4 is a pain in other OSes |
| 04:12.13 | simonlnu | is personally happy with ext4 |
| 04:12.14 | somiaj | (though it is still kinda new, so compadability and maybe stability issues still exist with it) |
| 04:12.37 | Some_Person | It's 4 years old now |
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| 04:13.00 | simonlnu | it was "new" when it was still called ext4dev ;P |
| 04:13.04 | fluffywolf | both libc6 and libc6-dev are 2.13-35 |
| 04:13.20 | simonlnu | ditto |
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| 04:13.39 | simonlnu | package: libc6-dev:i386 |
| 04:13.42 | somiaj | fluffywolf: those are sid version (not squeeze versions) |
| 04:13.45 | Some_Person | So would ext3 be noticably slower? |
| 04:13.52 | fluffywolf | somiaj: correct |
| 04:13.54 | somiaj | Some_Person: really depends on what you are doing. |
| 04:14.08 | fluffywolf | I have way too many things installed that depend on the sid versions to want to try downgrading them. |
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| 04:14.15 | Some_Person | somiaj: in what way? |
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| 04:14.57 | somiaj | Some_Person: for a simple desktop you may not notice the difference, so it really depends on how you use the file system and what your expectations are |
| 04:15.04 | somiaj | Some_Person: ext3 is still the default for squeeze |
| 04:15.12 | fluffywolf | I've been running this box like this since... *thinks*... 2005? heh. this is the first time having a new libc6 has broken things in non-obvious ways. |
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| 04:15.36 | fluffywolf | how do you tell when a debian install was originally done? :) |
| 04:15.39 | simonlnu | i've had that happen before. for me it was a screwed up symlink |
| 04:15.53 | simonlnu | fluffywolf: i go by old configs =) |
| 04:16.40 | somiaj | logs are good to |
| 04:16.44 | Some_Person | And proper swapsize... is it still 2 * RAM/ |
| 04:16.46 | Some_Person | ? |
| 04:16.49 | somiaj | unless you have them delteed they may go back all the way to the original install |
| 04:17.04 | somiaj | Some_Person: again depends on what you are doing and what your specs are. I have no swap on this machine |
| 04:17.18 | somiaj | Some_Person: but have just slighty over ram on my laptop for hibernate |
| 04:17.20 | fluffywolf | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2006-08-02 11:25 /var/log/installer |
| 04:17.22 | simonlnu | Some_Person: depends on your RAM size now. if not a lot, yes. otherwise i'd go for 500 MB swap |
| 04:17.22 | xubumafoo | no swap on this machine as it runs off USB |
| 04:17.27 | fluffywolf | 2006, not 2005. I was close. :) |
| 04:17.31 | Some_Person | 2GB RAM |
| 04:17.39 | simonlnu | desktop? |
| 04:18.10 | somiaj | fluffywolf: yea I just kinda go with mixing is causing issues and not supported and you get to figure it out. I see people mix, but sooner or later they come in with strange issues. |
| 04:18.52 | simonlnu | Some_Person: there's 1.7 GB here, but i also added a lot of swap just in case |
| 04:19.58 | somiaj | fluffywolf: yea my sid install here seems to only go back to abotu 2006 as well. I think that is when I switched from i386 to amd64 |
| 04:20.08 | dmbaturin | somiaj: Nothing is muted, aplay doesn't work even for root, the user is in audio group. That's why I'm asking. |
| 04:20.13 | somiaj | (I like how it has been the same install on now 3 differen t desktops) |
| 04:20.24 | somiaj | dmbaturin: aplay dosen't work, any errors? |
| 04:20.32 | dmbaturin | somiaj: No, just silence. |
| 04:20.32 | fluffywolf | I have 1G of ram with 1G of swap, and rarely use it.... Swap: 979956k total, 1372k used, 978584k free, 362420k cached |
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| 04:20.48 | simonlnu | i've switched not only machine, but arch for this install |
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| 04:21.24 | somiaj | how'd ya switch arch. I did a debootstrap install from my old i386 install to switch arch and then copied over the config/user data |
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| 04:23.36 | somiaj | Some_Person: though since hd (non ssd assuming) space is cheap, to much swap dosen't usally hurt. But yea you really only need what you will use. |
| 04:23.53 | Some_Person | Yeah, I don't have an SSD |
| 04:23.55 | sobrediggler | so here's a question about the debian repository ... Aren't the keysigner keys by default, installed onto the distro? You wouldn't need to explicitly add a repo key right? |
| 04:23.58 | simonlnu | exact same way. debootstrap, used rsync to cp stuff |
| 04:24.27 | somiaj | simonlnu: ahh yea, I just consider that a new install at the time. though I think I just used cp (didn't know about rsync at the time) |
| 04:24.34 | simonlnu | sobrediggler: there's a package for them, that gets installed |
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| 04:25.32 | sobrediggler | not the ca-certificates ..... if that's what you're saying |
| 04:25.39 | fluffywolf | that was annoying. let's try that again.... |
| 04:25.41 | fluffywolf | dmbaturin: I missed the start of this conversation... have you checked the obvious? speakers in the right plug? physical volume knob, if any, turned up? both master and pcm set to 80% or higher? |
| 04:25.42 | simonlnu | nope |
| 04:26.01 | sobrediggler | why isn't the repo keys in by default? |
| 04:26.08 | simonlnu | debian-archive-keyring |
| 04:27.53 | somiaj | dmbaturin: is this for a laptop? the intel_hda sound driver has tons of models, maybe you just have a finky sound card that requires a special module to enable your ports. |
| 04:28.22 | dmbaturin | fluffywolf: Yes, I did. I'm stupid, but not that stupid. |
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| 04:28.35 | dmbaturin | somiaj: No, a desktop mainboard. |
| 04:28.36 | simonlnu | weee |
| 04:28.48 | fluffywolf | you might also want to cat /proc/asound/cards and make sure the first card is your sound device, and not, say, a modem. |
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| 04:29.17 | dmbaturin | fluffywolf: Never seen a modem named Intel HDA. ;) |
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| 04:29.28 | somiaj | fluffywolf: already went though that, he only has one card there...but I guess it has a strange name |
| 04:29.29 | mmnicolas | I did |
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| 04:29.38 | somiaj | http://pastie.org/4769911 -- that PCH is new to me |
| 04:30.11 | fluffywolf | dmbaturin: sorry, as I said, I missed the start of the conversation. I've fixed way too many computers by moving the speaker cable from the mic plug to the speaker plug. :) |
| 04:30.39 | fluffywolf | or turning up the laptop's volume knob, or poking the laptop's keyboard fn-whatever mute combo... |
| 04:30.45 | somiaj | well modern desktop boards have configurable plugs in many cases, so could be he needs to set the modle right to configure them |
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| 04:31.34 | dmbaturin | somiaj: Configurable plugs? |
| 04:31.46 | fluffywolf | from what I'm reading, the last update probably started installing multiarch stuff, and it's very, very non-backwards-compatible. |
| 04:31.48 | mmnicolas | dmbaturin: If you hook it up to your tv with and HDMI cable, do you have sound ? |
| 04:31.53 | mmnicolas | *an |
| 04:32.00 | somiaj | dmbaturin: yea many come with a windows driver you can use to say do stero, 4.1, 5.1, etc settings |
| 04:32.19 | somiaj | mmnicolas: he has no hdmi sound card, just some intel_hda onboard (only one loaded by alsa) |
| 04:32.39 | dmbaturin | mmnicolas: no HDMI, it's a cheap office desktop. |
| 04:32.43 | somiaj | dmbaturin: so that actually changes what the ports do depending on what you set on those sound cards. |
| 04:32.57 | somiaj | dmbaturin: can you get me the pciid of your sound card? |
| 04:33.16 | dmbaturin | somiaj: Where do I configure those? |
| 04:33.21 | dmbaturin | Sure. "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)" |
| 04:33.30 | somiaj | that isn't the pciid |
| 04:34.14 | fluffywolf | hrmm, also looks like there's some brokenness with gcc versions... |
| 04:35.30 | simonlnu | fluffywolf: bingo (on multiarch) |
| 04:35.33 | somiaj | dmbaturin: lspci -nn |
| 04:35.52 | somiaj | yea mixing multiarch from sid with nonmultiarch in squeeze...even more issues. :/ |
| 04:36.03 | dmbaturin | somiaj: 8086:1c20 |
| 04:36.12 | somiaj | ,pciid 8086:1c20 |
| 04:36.13 | judd | [8086:1c20] is '6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1c20 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 04:36.28 | somiaj | dmbaturin: see if any of that info helps you. |
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| 04:37.09 | somiaj | seems you need 2.6.34 kernel or newer, you still ahve kernel 2.6.32 (uname -a) dmbaturin |
| 04:37.13 | somiaj | ? |
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| 04:37.27 | dmbaturin | No, it's wheezy. 3.2.0 |
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| 04:37.44 | dmbaturin | With squeeze I had even more hardware issues. Sorry, forget to mention it. |
| 04:39.32 | fluffywolf | meh, this is getting messy... if |
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| 04:40.29 | fluffywolf | if I upgrade binutils, it wants to install a new gcc, which conflicts with the old version of gcc, which has to be removed (according to aptitude, at least), which will break compiling kernel modules... |
| 04:40.58 | simonlnu | :/ |
| 04:41.31 | somiaj | dmbaturin: do you have a /usr/sahre/doc/alsa-base/driver directory on your install? |
| 04:41.37 | fluffywolf | I can't uninstall the gcc used to compile the kernel, as that would be a bad thing... |
| 04:41.49 | simonlnu | ok, g'night folks, good luck with your issues |
| 04:42.33 | dmbaturin | somiaj: No, no driver dir in alsa-base. |
| 04:42.34 | fluffywolf | cyas |
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| 04:43.32 | fluffywolf | how do I tell aptitude's dependency resolution that it is not to suggest solutions which conflict with anything I told it on the command line? heh. |
| 04:43.46 | fluffywolf | if I tell it to install something, I don't want it telling me a solution that doesn't include installing it. :) |
| 04:43.53 | somiaj | dmbaturin: I'm trying to find a model list for that card, it isn't were it use to be in wheezy/sid..:/ |
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| 04:47.30 | fluffywolf | "*** No more solutions available ***" lol |
| 04:47.41 | fluffywolf | first time I've ever pissed it off enough to get that. :) |
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| 04:51.34 | fluffywolf | meh... got to do something... can't have a box with no working compiler. |
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| 05:00.50 | fluffywolf | heh, adding the proper dir to the search paths (even with -L) didn't work, but symlinking all the crt*.o files to /usr/lib did. something is broken with the search path logic in gcc-4.3 methinks... |
| 05:01.00 | fluffywolf | or with old binutils, I guess. |
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| 05:03.13 | somiaj | could that old gcc just not like the newer libs? |
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| 05:05.55 | fluffywolf | I think all pre-multiarch programs are going to object to multiarch. |
| 05:05.58 | dmbaturin | somiaj: I've fixed it. modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf had anything but hda_intel for some reason. |
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| 05:09.02 | fluffywolf | yay, more problems... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lm |
| 05:09.24 | sobrediggler | no math for you |
| 05:10.22 | fluffywolf | -lm works with gcc but not g++. grrr. |
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| 05:12.08 | fluffywolf | goes hog-wild with symlinks |
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| 05:12.37 | fluffywolf | ln -s -v i386-linux-gnu/* ./ :) |
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| 05:12.48 | fluffywolf | un-multiarching |
| 05:13.19 | sobrediggler | so you included the path and all right? |
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| 05:14.07 | fluffywolf | it seems to ignore library paths despite my best efforts. using -L, export LIBRARY_PATH, AND putting it in /etc/ld.so.conf... no effect. adding symlinks works. |
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| 05:14.34 | fluffywolf | yay! qtdmm compiled and working. |
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| 05:14.38 | fluffywolf | thanks to lots of symlinks. heh. |
| 05:14.58 | sobrediggler | that certainly is going to be a pain to administer |
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| 05:15.25 | somiaj | dmbaturin: good work. |
| 05:15.46 | fluffywolf | sobrediggler: because a half-stable half-unstable isn't enough of a pain already. |
| 05:16.00 | sobrediggler | oh it also could just be the makefile |
| 05:16.45 | fluffywolf | no, the latest multiarch libc6 is thouroughly non-compatible with older gcc/binutils. |
| 05:17.00 | fluffywolf | I installed a multiarch libc6 with non-multiarch tools. |
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| 05:17.22 | dmbaturin | somiaj: Do you think this is sort of normal behavoir or it should be reported? |
| 05:17.34 | dmbaturin | * behaviour |
| 05:17.39 | sobrediggler | pardon my ignorance but what is a non-multiarch tool? |
| 05:17.56 | fluffywolf | I found a few forum posts complaining binutils ignores the paths and only uses its hardcoded ones, but I can't upgarade without breaking the old gcc I used to compile my kernel... |
| 05:18.40 | fluffywolf | sobrediggler: the latest libc6 includes features to allow libraries for multiple architectures to peacefully co-exist on one system, such as i386 and x64 versions, or cross-compiling, etc... |
| 05:18.59 | fluffywolf | it does this by putting stuff in all new locations, and some binary format changes I didn't spend the time reading about. |
| 05:19.18 | sobrediggler | yes but what is a non-multiarch tool specifically? |
| 05:19.29 | Some_Person | trying to decide between debian stable and testing |
| 05:20.00 | fluffywolf | one that has hardcoded paths in it and doesn't like files in new locations |
| 05:20.04 | fluffywolf | like gcc and binutils. |
| 05:20.22 | fluffywolf | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch has a lot more about it than I know. :) |
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| 05:21.14 | sobrediggler | oh right ... nice! |
| 05:21.25 | Some_Person | for my laptop |
| 05:21.52 | sobrediggler | always thought that that would be totally ok if you use apt |
| 05:22.01 | somiaj | dmbaturin: you are running a testing system, so yea check the bts. but i gave up caring a while ago (its late and I have to finish work i was procrastnating) |
| 05:22.11 | fluffywolf | the wiki says you have to have gcc-4.6 to make it work, I can't install anything past 4.3 without breaking 4.1, which means I wouldn't be able to compile modules for my current kernel... and my wifi driver is stuck with the old kernel. |
| 05:22.28 | somiaj | yea sid has been switching to a multiarch setup and things have changed a lot with libs and how they are linked |
| 05:22.53 | fluffywolf | so because of my crappy binaryblobular wifi driver, I can't install modern tools. |
| 05:23.08 | somiaj | I'd still suggest trying to just downgarde everything to squeeze |
| 05:23.30 | fluffywolf | that would make a substantial portion of my installed software vanish. |
| 05:23.54 | fluffywolf | 82 packages, according to aptitude. :) |
| 05:23.58 | sobrediggler | why not just virtualize and run everything separate? |
| 05:24.16 | fluffywolf | yay wasting resources! |
| 05:25.21 | sobrediggler | it's 2012 you know ... and you're not on a broadcom .. or are you? |
| 05:25.45 | fluffywolf | when I can afford 2012 hardware, I'll let you know. ask around 2020 or so. |
| 05:25.57 | sobrediggler | ;) |
| 05:25.58 | fluffywolf | this 1.3ghz celeron is my fastest box. |
| 05:26.03 | somiaj | kvm doesn't waste that much, and if you just need a newer build enviorment chroots are good |
| 05:26.45 | sobrediggler | but can you chroot to a multiarch environment? Or does the kernel not care? |
| 05:26.47 | somiaj | I am waiting for giving vms full access to my graphics card and the likes to become more stable |
| 05:27.05 | fluffywolf | the kernel isn't involved |
| 05:27.30 | somiaj | sobrediggler: the kernel does have to be able to run all the binaries. so yes you could if your kernel supported all arches you were using in the chroot. |
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| 05:28.57 | fluffywolf | even my nslu2 is running a newer kernel than this laptop. heh. |
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| 05:29.23 | blackshirt | fluffywolf, what is nslu2? |
| 05:30.26 | fluffywolf | blackshirt: it's a linksys network file server box. it has an ethernet port and a couple usb ports, and you plug drives in it and it shares them on the network. or, at least, that's what it does with stock firmware. mine's running debian. |
| 05:31.20 | blackshirt | fluffywolf, nfs box ? |
| 05:31.32 | fluffywolf | it also makes a nice compact embedded system. minimal specs, but it'll run a full debian install. |
| 05:31.48 | fluffywolf | I have a medium-sized install running off a compactflash card on it. |
| 05:32.07 | blackshirt | fluffywolf, i think that was great |
| 05:32.25 | blackshirt | fluffywolf, like raspberry ? |
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| 05:32.47 | fluffywolf | yep. about the same physical size, too. much poorer specs, however - it's pretty old. same idea, broadcom system-on-a-chip. |
| 05:33.18 | sobrediggler | ha! so you're on a broadcom |
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| 05:34.03 | fluffywolf | right now it runs 24/7 logging my weather station. am planning on adding logging of various parts of my solar system once I get adapters for the proprietary protocols all the parts speak... |
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| 05:34.45 | blackshirt | fluffywolf, that greats surrounded |
| 05:35.09 | fluffywolf | ? |
| 05:35.55 | sobrediggler | wait so you're looking to compile x86 & 64 on an arm? |
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| 05:36.16 | fluffywolf | no, these are two unrelated topics. |
| 05:36.31 | sobrediggler | right ... sorry |
| 05:36.33 | fluffywolf | I just pointed out my nslu2 has a newer kernel than this box, then blackshirt asked about it. |
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| 05:37.13 | fluffywolf | this box is a celeron 1.3ghz, with an atheros chip that only works (at least, as of last time I had to make it work, in 2009) with a non-updated blobular driver. |
| 05:37.16 | blackshirt | thats right |
| 05:38.42 | fluffywolf | ,pciid 168c:0013 |
| 05:38.44 | judd | [168c:0013] is 'AR5212/AR5213 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0013 http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k |
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| 05:38.59 | fluffywolf | hrmm, looks like there's finally a real driver for it. |
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| 05:40.01 | fluffywolf | "Unlike the MadWifi driver, ath5k does not require a binary HAL (hardware abstraction layer). " yay, and it's non-blobular. |
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| 05:42.55 | fluffywolf | bbl, bedtime for wolfies. |
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| 05:43.19 | sobrediggler | bb fluffy |
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| 06:08.15 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 06:08.23 | lkthomas | how could I scan new inserted disk on linux ? |
| 06:09.10 | lkthomas | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/vmware-add-a-new-hard-disk-without-rebooting-guest.html |
| 06:09.13 | lkthomas | nevermind, solved :) |
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| 06:17.28 | ckari | When I am writing my rent cheques, can I put my suite # in the line to whom it is to? |
| 06:17.50 | ckari | I figure that is added security as it makes it explicitly clear. |
| 06:18.27 | tomreyn | ckari: do you want to verify you're on the channel you meant to ask that on? |
| 06:18.53 | ChrisH | wonders what a "rent cheque" is |
| 06:18.56 | ckari | I came here for the intellect, tomreyn. |
| 06:19.02 | ckari | I don't want to ask my question in a channel of dummies. |
| 06:19.15 | ckari | ChrisH, What do you mean? |
| 06:19.18 | ckari | A cheque for my rent. |
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| 06:20.14 | ckari | My building has a preauthorized rent payment thing where I write them a void cheque and they take care of it thereafter but |
| 06:20.20 | ckari | I am not totally 100% comfortable with that. |
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| 06:20.25 | ChrisH | ckari: to pay your rent to your landlord you write a pice of paper? |
| 06:20.28 | ckari | I don't like someone else having that kind of access to my chequing acct. |
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| 06:20.41 | ckari | ChrisH, How do you do it? |
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| 06:21.46 | ChrisH | ckari: It must be in the 1990s I wrote my last cheque... All gets done by mony transfer from Account to account. Normaly online |
| 06:22.11 | ckari | Well, they don't have the same bank as me. I can't do it like that. |
| 06:22.29 | ckari | They only have a preauthorized plan where I write them a void cheque first so they have access to my chequing acct. |
| 06:22.33 | ckari | But I don't really like that. |
| 06:22.38 | lkthomas | how could I migrate logical volume from volume group A to volume group B ? |
| 06:22.45 | ChrisH | ckari: where do you come from not that it is not possible to transfer money from bank to back? |
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| 06:23.25 | ckari | ChrisH, Canada. I don't see any way I can transfer to them using online banking. |
| 06:23.30 | ckari | What anyway is so bad about regular paper cheques? |
| 06:23.45 | ChrisH | lkthomas: I only know this way: lvcreate newlvovB ; mkfs, mount; rsync ; umount lvolA ; lvremove lvola |
| 06:23.52 | ckari | It takes me 1 minute to write a rent cheque and then I have just to deposit it in a box. |
| 06:24.15 | ckari | You know, I have a "contactless credit card" |
| 06:24.20 | ckari | that I have learned is a big security concern. |
| 06:24.33 | ckari | In many cases modern banking technologies are not all they are cracked up to be. |
| 06:24.39 | lkthomas | ChrisH: another option is to increase root volume group size |
| 06:24.48 | ckari | I have to call my CC company and have them send me a card without the contactless payment option |
| 06:25.05 | ckari | because that makes me nervous and I don't like carrying my card around because of it. |
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| 06:25.18 | ChrisH | lkthomas: Was that a question or statement? |
| 06:25.24 | lkthomas | statement |
| 06:25.44 | ckari | So anyway |
| 06:25.45 | lkthomas | would it cause root fs unbootable after adding new physical disk to root ? |
| 06:25.48 | ckari | no one in here knows about cheques. |
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| 06:26.50 | ChrisH | lkthomas: but you asked to move an lvol to another VG. Adding another RV to root VG should not have impact on beeing able to boot. |
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| 06:28.12 | ChrisH | ckari: Cheques take time until they are booked... I remeber of up to 5days. If i do an online transfer with the same bank its there within seconds. To any other bank inside germany it must be there within one day my law... |
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| 06:29.04 | ckari | ChrisH, What do I care how long it takes if I am sending the money? |
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| 06:29.16 | ckari | The cheque is addressed for the first of the month so that's all that matters. |
| 06:29.28 | ckari | If it takes 5 days after that that's not my problem. |
| 06:30.06 | ckari | Maybe that's why the company pushes hard for people to sign up for the preauthorized payment plan? |
| 06:30.18 | lkthomas | ChrisH: I am choosing another option to increase the root volume |
| 06:30.28 | ckari | I figure by the way they push that that it's more about them than it is about the tenant. |
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| 06:32.03 | ChrisH | ckari: contract for flats here contain wordings that the payer has to ensure the money is there on the thrid working day. Then it matters. BTW most rents get payed by debit, thats more secure for the payer as you can revoke the debit within 6 weeks |
| 06:32.20 | ompaul | you may like to know for random conversation we do have #debian-offtopic |
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| 06:32.34 | ckari | ChrisH, good point. |
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| 06:32.39 | ckari | I've revoked payments before. |
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| 06:32.51 | ckari | continuing our talk in #debian-offtopic |
| 06:32.52 | tomreyn | lkthomas: look into vgsplit / vgmerge, too |
| 06:33.23 | ChrisH | lkthomas: Another option might be setting up a mirror to a larger disk |
| 06:34.21 | lkthomas | ChrisH: it's ok, I am adding new disk to root volume group |
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| 06:34.27 | lkthomas | I hope it wouldn't cause bootup problem |
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| 07:16.54 | nunnsby | hey all, broken my send mail config and not sure how t fix it. was using webmin and by mistake, doh, typed in "# -o ..." for the virt user table settings, NOT "hash -o ..." |
| 07:16.59 | nunnsby | everytime it runs now it complains about makefile:265 and stops and won't run. How can I fix this? Or reset all the sendmail configs and start over? |
| 07:17.34 | nunnsby | that makefile line now contains an entry that refers to #.db |
| 07:17.39 | nunnsby | lol |
| 07:17.42 | nunnsby | such a muppet I know! :( |
| 07:19.44 | ChrisH | nunnsby: have you ssh access and option to vi a file? |
| 07:19.55 | nunnsby | chrish, yeah I do |
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| 07:20.45 | ChrisH | nunnsby: which mailer do you use? sendmail, exim? |
| 07:20.51 | nunnsby | sendmail |
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| 07:21.37 | nunnsby | thought I knew what to do, but being too clever I guess. hash actually meant "hash" not "#" like all the other lines stating #dnl, lol |
| 07:21.37 | bigmeow | meow:) |
| 07:21.39 | bigmeow | http://superuser.com/questions/477817/why-i-failed-to-install-packages-when-using-debian |
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| 07:22.53 | nunnsby | any good references on where to start with setting up mail as well, as I really need to understand what I'm doing, as opposed to just following some guide. Just want to setup up a mail server, to receive mail for various domains and send to various mailboxes. thought I had a handle on it. my bad |
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| 07:24.54 | ChrisH | nunnsby: cd /etc/mail and check the file for strange content. |
| 07:27.43 | nunnsby | chrish, newbie here, not sure what strange content would look like |
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| 07:29.16 | ChrisH | nunnsby: I just re-read your last comment.. Did you start to set it up or did it already work as expected? If you started up I would recomment to purge sendmail and consider moving to exim4 or postfix. After years of using sendmail I moved to exim and its easier to configure and handle. |
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| 07:31.05 | Nunnsby | chrish, sorry, connection died |
| 07:31.13 | Nunnsby | yeah man, to be honest I would prefer to go to postfix |
| 07:31.19 | Nunnsby | nope, completely new install |
| 07:31.23 | Nunnsby | nothing worked yet |
| 07:31.31 | Nunnsby | what do I need to do to do that |
| 07:31.46 | Nunnsby | eg, remove sendmail and install postfix and courier |
| 07:32.01 | Nunnsby | currently have sendmail and procmail |
| 07:32.03 | ChrisH | Nunnsby: then purge sendmail... apt-get remove --purge sendmail and install postfix. I cannot help setting up postfix |
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| 07:32.07 | Nunnsby | is courier better than procmail? |
| 07:32.28 | Nunnsby | sweet, no worries with that. thanks for the assistance anyway. |
| 07:32.38 | Nunnsby | chrish, should I remain with procmail? |
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| 07:34.27 | ChrisH | Nunnsby: I do not know why you a) decided to use procmail b) need this function. I do not need procmail at all. |
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| 07:35.49 | Nunnsby | lol, it came with the default install of the debian I got, for some unknown reason. yeah man, seems this install I "got" was not very well thought out at all. thanks anyway |
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| 07:36.15 | nsadmin | Nunnsby, procmail is a delivery agent that also has additional features, for example filtering as well as forwarding |
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| 07:36.28 | Nunnsby | chrish, any advice for general mail tutorials, or recommendations. ie, how the thing works and the flow, just so I can gget my head around it? |
| 07:36.28 | Shadow` | is there a way to let irssi/ssh understand utf? |
| 07:37.34 | Nunnsby | nsadmin, tx, if I have postfix/courier, is it necessary then? considering I just want to receive mails for domains, and using virtual users send to certain mailboxes? is there a reason to remove it? |
| 07:37.58 | nsadmin | Nunnsby, a mail delivery agent is required, yes |
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| 07:38.33 | nsadmin | you can tell it to deliver into maildirs |
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| 07:39.22 | nsadmin | the mail delivery agent doesn't have to be procmail, altho you might like the additional features |
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| 07:41.57 | ChrisH | Nunnsby: How should your clients access to the Mails received? |
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| 07:42.45 | nsadmin | do the clients have home dirs? |
| 07:42.50 | Nunnsby | well, I was hoping to have a few options, probably an imap/pop3 client, or webmail based. |
| 07:43.32 | Nunnsby | I'm kinda seeing a few things here, and excuse my ignorance - newbie and all, but trying to learn, so I need an MTA - postfix/exim/sendmail |
| 07:43.34 | nsadmin | do the clients have shell access? |
| 07:43.59 | Nunnsby | I'm running debian, obviously, which they still run sendmail as default, and ubuntu runs postfix as their default |
| 07:44.11 | Nunnsby | then I need an MDA to do filtering and delivery |
| 07:44.12 | nsadmin | who;s they? |
| 07:44.19 | Nunnsby | procmail or maildrop seems to be the two right? |
| 07:44.39 | nsadmin | most MDAs just deliver |
| 07:44.43 | Nunnsby | dovecot is the pop3/imap "agent/program" to facilitate that |
| 07:45.08 | Nunnsby | they = random internet sites it appears |
| 07:45.14 | Nunnsby | no, no shell access |
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| 07:45.43 | Nunnsby | just webmail or client, like thunderbird, mobile phone, outlook / express, or webmail |
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| 07:45.59 | Nunnsby | sorry |
| 07:46.09 | Nunnsby | they = the default debian install comes with sendmail |
| 07:46.21 | nsadmin | "I'm running debian, obviously, which they still run sendmail as default" |
| 07:46.30 | nsadmin | which they is they? |
| 07:46.42 | ansgar | Nunnsby: No. |
| 07:46.53 | Nunnsby | well, mine did, and the rest of the default install also had sendmail |
| 07:46.55 | Nunnsby | really? |
| 07:47.01 | Nunnsby | okay,t hen I must eb missing a trick |
| 07:47.04 | nsadmin | that used to be the case many years ago, now it's exim |
| 07:47.28 | Nunnsby | strange |
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| 07:47.38 | Nunnsby | okay, so somewhting has gone horribly wrong here then |
| 07:47.39 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 07:47.40 | nsadmin | like 15 years ago? |
| 07:47.46 | Nunnsby | ok, so exim is preferred then? |
| 07:48.06 | nsadmin | well exim is now the default |
| 07:48.14 | nsadmin | exim is ok |
| 07:48.20 | Nunnsby | to be honset, I'm using a vps, so the vps provider probably configured it that way |
| 07:48.22 | nsadmin | it works well |
| 07:48.29 | Nunnsby | okay, cool, I'll go that route then |
| 07:48.30 | Xillie | hello, Im looking for old ISA sounddriver called `snd-opl3sa`, it appears to be no longer there, anyone can help? |
| 07:48.42 | Nunnsby | lol 15 years ago, nice |
| 07:48.45 | nsadmin | do you have root access to that box? |
| 07:48.57 | Nunnsby | I do yeah, to the vps, but not the host |
| 07:49.12 | Nunnsby | it appears their build of debian 6 is with sendmail |
| 07:49.19 | Nunnsby | I can apt-get whatever I need |
| 07:49.22 | nsadmin | well the host would have your vps and many others, right? |
| 07:49.29 | Nunnsby | yeah totally |
| 07:49.32 | Nunnsby | I'm jsut one |
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| 07:49.35 | boudiccas | sounds like a bastardization of debian |
| 07:49.45 | Nunnsby | haha, probably is |
| 07:50.00 | nsadmin | ok, so what's your file /etc/debian_version contain |
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| 07:50.37 | boudiccas | ccat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:50.46 | boudiccas | cat |
| 07:50.48 | nsadmin | kkat! |
| 07:50.55 | Nunnsby | 6.0..5 |
| 07:51.04 | Nunnsby | *6.0.5 |
| 07:51.07 | nsadmin | so, squeeze |
| 07:51.12 | Nunnsby | yeah,t hink they knobbed this one badly |
| 07:51.15 | Nunnsby | :( |
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| 07:51.44 | Nunnsby | exim4-base? |
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| 07:51.46 | Nunnsby | that the one |
| 07:52.19 | Nunnsby | can I setup webmail, and pop3 and imap and virtual users and all those good things after going this route? |
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| 07:54.36 | Nunnsby | and what are teh various apps I should look at using for the various parts. I'd like some sort of a gui interface to doign virtual users, like being able to use webmin, etc |
| 07:55.03 | boudiccas | yuk, webmin |
| 07:55.12 | Nunnsby | as opposed to constantly having to hack via the shell/console, but even in the cisco world, we all know the console is king |
| 07:55.14 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 07:55.21 | Nunnsby | I know, webmin ... mare |
| 07:55.22 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 07:55.32 | Nunnsby | anyone used ispconfig3? |
| 07:55.35 | nsadmin | pepoe don wike webmin |
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| 07:55.56 | Nunnsby | not that I'm doing isp stuff, just seems like an easier interface |
| 07:56.12 | nsadmin | that camp feels you'd be much better off learning how to do things from shell |
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| 07:58.06 | Nunnsby | I know, and I'll gladly learn via shell, and do the things via shell, but the admin is nice to have via web. like virtual user adding and stuff, though it's not like it is going to loads all the time |
| 07:58.27 | Nunnsby | so, back to the question, recommendations for apps for various components? |
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| 07:59.29 | nsadmin | yes, and there is more than one way to do that (more than one gui interface, more than one way in the shell) |
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| 07:59.48 | nsadmin | one thing you could do is write a script to add a user |
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| 08:02.11 | Nunnsby | hmmm, yeah, sounds plausible. |
| 08:02.17 | nsadmin | one thing you could do is give them home dirs as normal, if they're not gonna have shell access, you would prevent that, and each user gets a .procmailrc that drops mail into the maildir, maybe you put that maildir in their home dir |
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| 08:06.23 | Nunnsby | okay, then that dir is used for their mail and can be accessed via webmail and the imap/pop3 stuff? |
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| 08:14.12 | nsadmin | it should be, depending how how the webmail is configured |
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| 08:17.11 | cathper | squeeze (2.6.32-5-xen-amd64) running on Xen (xen-3.0-x86_64) with openntpd which tries to fix the time on the domU which had been off, but then the time suddenly jumps: http://pastebin.com/Zqy1XTQm |
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| 08:17.41 | cathper | Any good ideas why (or how to bug hunt it)? |
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| 08:19.45 | Zeeflo | goodmorning :) |
| 08:20.04 | Zeeflo | Often i use midnight commander |
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| 08:20.37 | Zeeflo | how do i change the locale (or what ever) to make midnight commander show nordic letters? |
| 08:20.53 | Zeeflo | e.g. æ ø å |
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| 08:23.39 | colo-work | Zeeflo, those letters are where - in filenames? |
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| 08:24.21 | Zeeflo | yes |
| 08:24.32 | Zeeflo | and in mc |
| 08:25.17 | cathper | Zeeflo: locale -a shows da_*? |
| 08:25.25 | Zeeflo | instead of e.g. ø it shows wierd shit |
| 08:25.47 | Zeeflo | root@hjemmeserver:~# locale -a |
| 08:25.48 | Zeeflo | C |
| 08:25.48 | Zeeflo | C.UTF-8 |
| 08:25.48 | Zeeflo | da_DK.utf8 |
| 08:25.48 | Zeeflo | POSIX |
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| 08:25.51 | cathper | Zeeflo: Then LANG=da_... mc should do it I guess. |
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| 08:26.22 | Zeeflo | did you see my paste? |
| 08:26.22 | colo-work | Zeeflo, how are the filenames encoded? UTF-8? |
| 08:26.39 | Zeeflo | well.. i can type the letters in console |
| 08:26.42 | Zeeflo | thats no problem |
| 08:26.52 | Zeeflo | but mc and other apps wont show them |
| 08:26.58 | colo-work | ok, so on your shell, everything works fine? |
| 08:27.23 | Zeeflo | in shell it works fine, but in mc etc etc i cant type the letters, and it doesnt show the letters |
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| 08:28.01 | colo-work | you use the same terminal emulator with all of them? |
| 08:28.04 | Zeeflo | i did a dkpg-reconfigure console-setup |
| 08:28.28 | Zeeflo | and made changed it to iso-15 |
| 08:28.36 | Zeeflo | 9889-15 |
| 08:28.38 | Zeeflo | or what ever its called |
| 08:28.40 | Zeeflo | thats nordic i think |
| 08:28.42 | nsadmin | Zeeflo, dunno... I would know if it was complete if the bot didn't kick you... bot won't kick you for one line, so maybe you'd make that one line be a pastebin url |
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| 08:29.29 | Zeeflo | http://pastebin.ca/2206108 |
| 08:29.53 | Zeeflo | should i perfom some command after i did the dpkg-reconfigure console-setup? |
| 08:29.59 | Zeeflo | or reboot the server |
| 08:30.44 | Zeeflo | shouldnt it be enough to close the shell and open a new? |
| 08:31.35 | Zeeflo | look.. |
| 08:31.39 | Zeeflo | i opened nano: |
| 08:31.48 | Zeeflo | i typed the three letters æ ø å |
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| 08:31.55 | Zeeflo | this is what it gave me: |
| 08:31.57 | Zeeflo | ��� |
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| 08:32.30 | colo-work | what's your locale set to? |
| 08:32.36 | colo-work | (paste on http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:32.37 | colo-work | ) |
| 08:32.38 | Zeeflo | check the pastebin |
| 08:32.42 | Zeeflo | http://pastebin.ca/2206108 |
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| 08:33.03 | colo-work | that's ALL locales your host has installed |
| 08:33.09 | colo-work | I ned the output of `locale` |
| 08:33.43 | Zeeflo | http://pastebin.ca/2206109 |
| 08:34.02 | Zeeflo | i think i need to change it to an iso |
| 08:34.16 | Zeeflo | a nordic/western european iso |
| 08:34.18 | Zeeflo | perhaps? |
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| 08:35.30 | colo-work | no, that should be ok |
| 08:35.53 | colo-work | I don't know if nano has a setting that controls if it's in UTF-8/multibyte mode or not |
| 08:36.13 | Zeeflo | well its not ok |
| 08:36.22 | Zeeflo | i tried changing it to da_iso |
| 08:36.53 | Zeeflo | that worked |
| 08:36.56 | Zeeflo | :) |
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| 08:37.09 | colo-work | so your whole setup is properly fubared ;) |
| 08:37.13 | colo-work | apparently |
| 08:37.15 | Zeeflo | no idea.. |
| 08:37.37 | colo-work | anyways, using an ISO codepage is... not really what I'd recommend you to do in the year 2012 |
| 08:37.49 | Zeeflo | but changing it from da_utf8 to da_iso_blabla_1 |
| 08:38.14 | Zeeflo | well.. it works, i can now type æ ø å in nano, and mc shows the correct letters instead of code |
| 08:38.23 | Zeeflo | so maybe utf-8 is fubar ;) |
| 08:38.31 | Zeeflo | and doesnt cosider danish letters |
| 08:38.35 | Zeeflo | consider* |
| 08:38.54 | colo-work | oh no worries, Unicode contains all your danish letters, and a "few" more |
| 08:39.07 | colo-work | and UTF-8 encodes them all |
| 08:39.16 | Zeeflo | well.. it couldnt encode danish.. |
| 08:39.20 | Zeeflo | not on my system |
| 08:39.26 | Zeeflo | but it works with the iso |
| 08:39.28 | Zeeflo | :)¨ |
| 08:39.35 | colo-work | yes, that's because of some kind of misconfiguration on your end |
| 08:39.42 | colo-work | I don't know what's broken, but something is |
| 08:40.02 | themill | probably the terminal settings |
| 08:40.21 | Zeeflo | dont know... how do i check? |
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| 08:41.59 | themill | what terminal is this? |
| 08:42.44 | Zeeflo | ssh terminal |
| 08:43.31 | themill | And what terminal is the ssh client being run from? |
| 08:44.00 | Zeeflo | putty |
| 08:44.17 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:44.55 | xy | bullgard4: look at their PPID |
| 08:45.01 | blackshirt | application startup maybe |
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| 08:45.39 | colo-work | Zeeflo, putty still starts in ISO-8859 mode by default, afaik |
| 08:45.43 | themill | Zeeflo: in the config, Window→Translation→Remote character set = utf-8 |
| 08:45.46 | colo-work | you can change the session encoding at runtime though |
| 08:46.06 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 08:46.08 | colo-work | right-click on putty's title-bar to access the settings menu |
| 08:46.44 | Zeeflo | remote character set is: ISO-8859-1:1998 (Latin-1, West Europe) |
| 08:46.52 | Zeeflo | so i change it to utf-8 |
| 08:47.10 | Zeeflo | and change dpkg-reconfigure console back to da_utf8 ? |
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| 08:48.22 | Zeeflo | now I cant type æ ø å again |
| 08:48.25 | Zeeflo | this blows! |
| 08:48.35 | nsadmin | you just did |
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| 08:48.41 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 08:48.48 | Zeeflo | in mc and nano |
| 08:48.51 | Zeeflo | in the shell |
| 08:48.58 | nsadmin | in the irc client |
| 08:49.25 | Zeeflo | im on my server via putty.. |
| 08:49.33 | themill | Zeeflo: you need to reconnect (or reset lots of environment variables) for locale changes to take effect |
| 08:49.35 | Zeeflo | this has nothing to do with my irc client |
| 08:49.41 | Zeeflo | ok |
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| 08:50.06 | themill | Zeeflo: double check the output of "locale" after reconnecting. |
| 08:50.17 | Zeeflo | ive changed dpkg-reconfigure locales back to da_utf8 |
| 08:50.28 | nsadmin | maybe the thing you can't type it in doesn't have the proper vars set because they were set improperly, and before you installed the newer locale |
| 08:50.29 | Zeeflo | ive changed the remote character set in putty to utf8 |
| 08:50.38 | Zeeflo | ive logged out of shell / putty |
| 08:50.41 | Zeeflo | and logging in now |
| 08:51.11 | Zeeflo | LANG=da_DK.UTF-8 |
| 08:51.19 | Zeeflo | etc etc etc all da_dk.utf-8 |
| 08:51.31 | nsadmin | so, does it work now? |
| 08:52.19 | Zeeflo | im afraid to admit it |
| 08:52.20 | Zeeflo | but yes |
| 08:52.23 | themill | \o/ |
| 08:52.25 | Zeeflo | damnit! |
| 08:52.27 | Zeeflo | :D |
| 08:52.35 | Zeeflo | fucking putty.... |
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| 08:52.53 | ChrisH | suggests to replace the OS below :) |
| 08:53.25 | themill | Zeeflo: there are unfortunately quite a lot of things that all have to agree to get encodings right -- that's why legacy encodings are a right pain and utf-8 everywhere makes life much much easier. |
| 08:53.42 | blackshirt | zeeflo, i think maybe better,just erase your windows :d |
| 08:53.48 | nsadmin | OS below sounds like a robin trower song |
| 08:54.11 | Zeeflo | what linux os is better for laptops? |
| 08:54.21 | themill | Zeeflo: debian works just fine for me |
| 08:54.24 | Zeeflo | i must admit im not too fund of kde |
| 08:54.25 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: any? |
| 08:54.32 | Zeeflo | debian with gnome? |
| 08:54.36 | Zeeflo | or |
| 08:55.03 | Zeeflo | besides.. im afraid of the hassle with getting my hardware to work properly.. |
| 08:55.08 | Zeeflo | thats why i use windows.. |
| 08:55.23 | ChrisH | I use KDE and Gnome on Laptops. Its just a matter of personal preferences. |
| 08:55.33 | Zeeflo | i like gnome |
| 08:55.42 | Zeeflo | i did when i had a stationary pc |
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| 08:55.45 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: I allways had much more hassles with Windows on HW then Linux. |
| 08:55.53 | Zeeflo | u did? |
| 08:56.16 | Zeeflo | im just.. all the hardware in a laptop USED to be poorly supported.. |
| 08:56.30 | Zeeflo | i remember all the shit i had to do when i had gentoo on a laptop |
| 08:56.33 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: sure... Install base OS and then start to get drivers for this and that and ... Linux, install OS, install applications, work. |
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| 08:56.37 | Zeeflo | it was freaking hilarious! |
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| 08:57.24 | Zeeflo | ChrisH, actually everything worked out of the box with windows8 |
| 08:57.27 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: get a debina live cd, boot it and see if all HW gets recognized and works as expected. |
| 08:57.36 | Zeeflo | i havent installed a single driver etc on it |
| 08:57.40 | Zeeflo | yea |
| 08:57.43 | Zeeflo | thats a good idea |
| 08:57.48 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: did you install Win8 or was it preinstalled? |
| 08:57.55 | Zeeflo | i installed it myself |
| 08:58.11 | Zeeflo | i dont care for all the shit lenovo puts on a factory installation |
| 08:58.12 | teraflop | hi, i have a laptop with debian sid && win7 when i use bt headset in win 7 when i reboot into debian i cant connect the headset, it can pair to the bluetooth, this is crazy but i have tested, no dbout |
| 08:58.35 | ChrisH | I must addmit it was WinXP I installed :) |
| 08:58.43 | Zeeflo | :P |
| 08:59.34 | Zeeflo | i think ill try a live cd of wheezy |
| 08:59.39 | Zeeflo | its running on my server |
| 08:59.43 | Zeeflo | and it runs like a dream! |
| 09:00.04 | Zeeflo | OH |
| 09:00.06 | Zeeflo | by the way |
| 09:00.12 | Zeeflo | wheezy is still testing.. |
| 09:00.14 | blackshirt | greats zeeflo, you were smart people |
| 09:00.15 | ChrisH | Is there a way to check debian bug system for RFEs like please put proxydriver into the repos? |
| 09:00.35 | Zeeflo | when it goes live, do i then have to reinstall or just apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:00.47 | Zeeflo | ive never gone from a testing to a live |
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| 09:02.12 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: wheezy will be promoted from testing to stable. If you have wheezy in sources not testing I expect it to smoothly become a stable. I did install my replacmeent home server with weheezy and expecting to to move to stable in near future. |
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| 09:02.41 | Zeeflo | I expect that too |
| 09:02.58 | Zeeflo | thats why i put wheezy on it when i moved from win2k8 r2 to linux |
| 09:03.13 | Zeeflo | my other server runs squeeze |
| 09:03.22 | Zeeflo | but its taken out of commission now ;) |
| 09:03.25 | teraflop | !paste |
| 09:03.25 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 09:03.48 | teraflop | !nopaste |
| 09:03.49 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 09:03.57 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.00 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: My old one is still on Lenny. |
| 09:04.21 | Zeeflo | holy shit.. thats old.. but then again.. if it works, dont fuck with it ;) |
| 09:04.24 | Zeeflo | and i tell you.. |
| 09:04.26 | xy | bullgard4: oh |
| 09:04.29 | Zeeflo | windows server does not work! |
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| 09:05.07 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: its working and the only reboots are needed for new kernel or power failures |
| 09:06.13 | teraflop | hi, i have a laptop with debian sid && win7 when i use bt headset in win 7 when i reboot into debian i cant connect the headset, it can pair to the bluetooth, this is crazy but i have tested, no dbouthttp://pastie.org/4770885; |
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| 09:08.43 | bullgard4 | xy: Can you elaborate your "oh". |
| 09:09.43 | ectospasm | teraflop: you have to re-pair the headset whenever you change OSes... at least I used to notice the same behavior with my Bluetooth mouse whenever I'd swap from Debian (or Ubuntu) and Win7 on my old netbook |
| 09:11.06 | teraflop | you mean release an pair again ectospasm ? thats what im doing but is anoyying |
| 09:11.24 | ectospasm | teraflop: don't use Win7 then (-; |
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| 09:11.51 | ectospasm | teraflop: yeah, it's annoying, but unless you make Debian look identical to Win7, that's what you have to do. |
| 09:12.12 | teraflop | lol. ok, with my mouse occurs the same |
| 09:12.26 | teraflop | ok thanks dor the advice |
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| 09:22.22 | Zeeflo | Guys, does anyone here know how best to extract a DVD and covert it to avi? |
| 09:22.34 | Zeeflo | with ffmpeg |
| 09:23.13 | nsadmin | it's perfectly well documented |
| 09:23.39 | Zeeflo | yes, but its hard to understand for me, from the man |
| 09:23.47 | Zeeflo | i have an iso |
| 09:23.56 | Zeeflo | i want it to become an avi |
| 09:24.04 | Zeeflo | theres gotta be a simple way |
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| 09:24.16 | ChrisH | nsadmin: the question is more on, how to get the film from the DVD? converting is more-or-less simple |
| 09:25.04 | Zeeflo | yes, thank you |
| 09:25.05 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 09:25.13 | nsadmin | not cdparanoia? |
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| 09:26.54 | ChrisH | nsadmin: cdparanoia retrieves audio tracks from CDDA-capable CDROM drives. <- from man-page, so cdparanioa is not the answer |
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| 09:31.59 | ChrisH | Is there a way to check debian bug system for RFEs like please put proxydriver into the repos? Haven't found one so far. |
| 09:32.33 | kellyangels | Hummm.. |
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| 09:37.23 | Iridos | Zeeflo, there's not really "one simple way"... more like lots of moderatly complictated ones. And "avi" is just a container format and can contain all kinds of codecs |
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| 09:38.04 | Zeeflo | ive found a script that converts dvd iso to avi using mencoder etc on the fly |
| 09:38.07 | Zeeflo | im testing it now |
| 09:38.24 | Iridos | dpkg, tell ChrisH about wnpp |
| 09:39.09 | Zeeflo | dpkg, tell z_marco about wnpp |
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| 09:39.48 | teraflop | !rip |
| 09:39.48 | dpkg | it has been said that rip is an old routing protocol, still in use in many places however, but probably better to use OSPF or BGP accordingly |
| 09:40.02 | teraflop | !ripping |
| 09:40.33 | Iridos | maybe we can ease up a bit on the random bot quotes... |
| 09:40.51 | ChrisH | Iridos: if you have the movie in any mpeg from the iso the conversion less painfull. Thanks for wnpp linke |
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| 09:41.26 | Iridos | ChrisH, I didn't ask about the DVD thing, though :) |
| 09:41.30 | Iridos | and yw |
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| 09:45.50 | boy24 | hi |
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| 09:54.45 | bullgard4 | xy: Can you elaborate your "oh". |
| 09:55.22 | xy | bullgard4: i misunderstood you before, that's why "oh". |
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| 09:56.36 | bullgard4 | xy: Right. -- Thank you. |
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| 10:07.41 | your_name | Hi folks |
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| 10:07.55 | your_name | Could you please advise me good hosting in German except Hetzner? |
| 10:08.50 | nsadmin | there are not ads? |
| 10:10.20 | ChrisH | an it depends on the definition of good hosting. CT is having enough ads. What is wrong with Hetzner? |
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| 10:11.41 | your_name | CT? |
| 10:11.44 | your_name | we have servers on Hetzner already |
| 10:11.49 | your_name | but we need another DC |
| 10:12.41 | ChrisH | your_name: Do you want to co-locate your server or get systems from them? Which part of Germany? |
| 10:13.23 | ChrisH | your_name: CT: heise.de/ct |
| 10:14.16 | your_name | Get systems from them |
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| 10:14.32 | your_name | part of Germany doesn't matter |
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| 10:15.34 | your_name | ChrisH, thanks, i'll look |
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| 10:20.33 | MoneY_ | Hello. I want to use scp command to copy files. ive got a local debian server which needs to pass through a proxy and connect to remote internet server. now i think its easies to tell the local maschine to use proxy for every outgoing process. can i use iptables for forward?pass through to proxy? If yes, how to do that? |
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| 10:22.43 | fire_ | is there any search engine which can find the phrase or text from your text files ? |
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| 10:23.48 | MoneY_ | fire_ whats about cat filename and cache with grep? |
| 10:24.02 | MoneY_ | catch* |
| 10:24.18 | fire_ | grep has some limitation with html files. |
| 10:24.25 | ChrisH | MoneY_: you want to tunnel ssh/scp though a proxy? iptables cannot act on process base |
| 10:24.56 | ChrisH | fire_: google? |
| 10:24.56 | MoneY_ | ChrisH: can i configure sshd? by ssh_config? or how to? |
| 10:25.24 | ChrisH | MoneY_: sshd -> sshd_config ssh -> ssh:_config |
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| 10:25.42 | MoneY_ | fire_ you need to from html core in html files? i think you need to escape special chars like <> |
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| 10:26.17 | MoneY_ | * by any of these both file? |
| 10:26.37 | fire_ | ya need to esacape special characters. it doesn't detect line breaks. |
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| 10:27.02 | MoneY_ | fire_ works now? |
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| 10:27.45 | fire_ | than i will not get the exact text what i am searching for. |
| 10:28.40 | your_name | fire_, perl? |
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| 10:29.38 | fire_ | your_name: let me try |
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| 10:30.45 | MoneY_ | ChrisH any hint for me? how to esablish an ssh connection through proxy? |
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| 10:37.15 | lxmintuser | hi |
| 10:37.34 | lxmintuser | my laptop freezes during bios and doesn't boot many times |
| 10:37.41 | lxmintuser | how can i diagnose the fault |
| 10:37.52 | lxmintuser | tried dmesg but couldn't find anything |
| 10:38.13 | babilen | lxmintuser: Which version of Linux do you use and what exactly do you mean by "during bios" ? |
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| 10:38.16 | lxmintuser | any suggestions? |
| 10:39.03 | lxmintuser | babilen: it gets hung at the bios logo (acer) and pressing caps lock doesnt bring on the LED light on |
| 10:39.20 | babilen | lxmintuser: And you are using Mint? |
| 10:39.27 | lxmintuser | babilen: it seems like a hardware issue but can i know what part might be failing? any way to diagnose? |
| 10:39.48 | lxmintuser | babilen: yes |
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| 10:40.00 | babilen | !mint |
| 10:40.01 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 10:40.27 | babilen | lxmintuser: ^^^ and that sounds like a hardware issue that has nothing to do with Linux, Mint, Debian, Windows, ... |
| 10:40.36 | lxmintuser | babilen: well can you suggest a tool? |
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| 10:41.23 | babilen | lxmintuser: Send it in for repair. And also: This really is the wrong channel -- you could try ##hardware, but I would just call your vendor. |
| 10:41.58 | lxmintuser | ok |
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| 11:09.59 | bullgard4 | I tried to download the package »reportbugs-ng« and obtained: " |
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| 11:10.01 | bullgard4 | W: Die Datei »http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-5.5/libmysqlclient18_5.5.24+dfsg-7_i386.deb« konnte nicht heruntergeladen werden |
| 11:10.03 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.15 | bullgard4 | " What should I do now? |
| 11:10.19 | MoneY_ | uhm, is there a way to setup a generall proxy for every outgoing traffic? |
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| 11:11.20 | ChrisH | ,v libmysqlclient |
| 11:11.22 | judd | No package named 'libmysqlclient' was found in i386. |
| 11:11.26 | MoneY_ | bullgard4 Die Datei is not on this server, try a different mirror |
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| 11:12.15 | ChrisH | ,v libmysqlclient18 |
| 11:12.16 | judd | Package: libmysqlclient18 on i386 -- sid: 5.5.24+dfsg-8; wheezy: 5.5.24+dfsg-8; experimental: 5.5.25+dfsg-1 |
| 11:12.20 | bullgard4 | MoneY_: I see. And would be waiting a few hours a solution? |
| 11:13.04 | ChrisH | bullgard4: no, apt-get update seems more like a solution. It should be shown at the bottom |
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| 11:13.24 | MoneY_ | http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-5.5/ |
| 11:13.25 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | does anyone know how to block torrent on the network through iptables or squid? |
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| 11:14.29 | ChrisH | Ctrl-Alt-Del: you need to block it on your firewalls/router into the internet |
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| 11:15.49 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | ChrisH, I know, but the question is how? |
| 11:16.28 | ChrisH | Ctrl-Alt-Del: Is your debian box the Internet gateway? |
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| 11:16.45 | ectospasm | I can't remember, what port does bittorrent use by default? |
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| 11:17.17 | Ctrl-Alt-Del | ChrisH, yes |
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| 11:20.24 | ChrisH | Ctrl-Alt-Del: its worth mentioning it. you could start with eg. iptables -A INPUT -p $PORT -j DROP -A FORWARD might be needed too. I am no iptables user. |
| 11:20.47 | MoneY_ | im tring to proxy my ssh connection by using: ssh -L 22:192.168.1.1:800 root@s1.xxxxxxx.de -p 22 but i still get message: ssh: connect to host s1.xxxxxxx.de port 22: Network is unreachable. please anyone give me a hint. |
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| 11:22.18 | ChrisH | MoneY_: check ip route get IP_OF_s1.xxxxxxx.de |
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| 11:23.35 | DotHack | using squeeze got some ext4 errors in the past but now i got logs of those errors everyday in syslog.... is there anyway to clear these errors? |
| 11:23.40 | MoneY_ | host s1.xxxxxxx.de return: s1.xxxxxxx.de has address 94.xxx.xxx.xx |
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| 11:24.39 | MoneY_ | apt/wget works since i modified apt.conf with proxy usage. |
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| 11:25.46 | ChrisH | MoneY_: Please re-read my suggestion... |
| 11:26.11 | DotHack | uname -a |
| 11:26.14 | DotHack | oops |
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| 11:26.32 | MoneY_ | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 11:26.39 | MoneY_ | via traceroute s1.xxxxxx.de |
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| 11:48.35 | blackswan | i am using gnome-terminal. i would like to map an unused function key to a string of my choosing in it. does gnome-terminal have this functionality somewhere? is there some other way i could do this, for example, by switching to some other terminal emulator, or binding the function key globally somehow? |
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| 11:49.07 | blackswan | i'd even consider switching desktop environments to have this feature. |
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| 11:49.56 | hroi | hi |
| 11:50.08 | blackshirt | hi hroi |
| 11:50.30 | hroi | Im building a raid with mdadm |
| 11:50.39 | hroi | Im wondering about chunk or sector sizes?? |
| 11:50.49 | hroi | Im going to be storing big files... |
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| 11:51.05 | hroi | should I make chunk size very big? ... |
| 11:51.47 | blackshirt | hroi, i don't have play a bit with this |
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| 11:53.43 | abrotman | blackshirt: then why answer? |
| 11:54.03 | abrotman | hroi: is it always going to be large files? |
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| 11:54.15 | julius_ | hi |
| 11:54.25 | ChrisH | hroi: I never checked anything on md-level. only on Filsystem level when planning to use plenty of small or large files. |
| 11:54.27 | blackshirt | abrotman, maybe someone others can help him..sure, |
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| 11:54.39 | julius_ | is there a way to disable proftpds logging completely? i mean i dont need the infos that userxyz has connnected from whereever |
| 11:54.42 | abrotman | blackshirt: and they can read, they don't need you to say "i don't have a clue" |
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| 11:55.44 | abrotman | julius_: can you point thte log file to /dev/null ? |
| 11:55.46 | blackshirt | abrotman, i just tell someone ... That was not a problem.. |
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| 11:56.06 | DotHack | u just unmount, e2fsck, and mount my ext4 but the error count is still 5.... |
| 11:56.18 | hroi | abrotman: yes, pretty much always > 5 MB and mostly tens of MB per file |
| 11:56.20 | DotHack | how can i reset it so that it wont show up everyday? |
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| 11:57.04 | abrotman | blackshirt: it's useless .. |
| 11:57.15 | ChrisH | DotHack: Can you pastebin what you do to paste.debian.net ? |
| 11:57.53 | Nunnsby | if someone msgs me and then sends a "+++" what does that mean? it means they are trying to do something via irc right? |
| 11:58.02 | Nunnsby | or is that a stupid question? |
| 11:58.12 | Nunnsby | so I'm back with a bridging question now |
| 11:58.20 | blackshirt | blackshirt, i would try to help if i can help someone... |
| 11:58.32 | abrotman | blackshirt: but you're not helping in any way |
| 11:58.35 | Nunnsby | how do I get bridging to work? |
| 11:58.57 | thewanderer1 | Nunnsby, if you get a +++, they think you're an AT modem. |
| 11:59.01 | abrotman | Nunnsby: the bridging howto is pretty accurate IIRC .. or install brutils and check /usr/share/doc/brutils |
| 11:59.14 | blackshirt | abrotman, yes, i know ... We learning and sharing together here |
| 11:59.23 | julius_ | abrotman: yes that seems to work well, thx |
| 11:59.26 | Nunnsby | cool, I got it working but it's not staying resident on reboot |
| 11:59.41 | abrotman | blackshirt: no, you're not |
| 12:00.02 | abrotman | julius_: wonder what will happen when it tries to rotate logs, or if it was leaving that to syslog |
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| 12:00.09 | abrotman | julius_: just keep an eye on it :) |
| 12:00.30 | julius_ | ah, yes... |
| 12:00.31 | DotHack | ChrisH: just unmount. e2fsck -f /dev/xvdb1, let it check, and then mount |
| 12:00.36 | blackshirt | abrotman, i learning a lot of here.. is that something wrong? |
| 12:00.47 | abrotman | i think we already covered that |
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| 12:01.06 | DotHack | ChrisH: the errors are from far in the past... |
| 12:01.47 | hipodilski | hi i'm trying to enable mod_userdir on debian and I had strange issue |
| 12:01.59 | hipodilski | userdir tries to be read from /var/www |
| 12:02.14 | Nunnsby | abrotman, thanks, it is working, but the reboot doesn't acknowledge anything, or start anything. I have 3 nics |
| 12:02.17 | Nunnsby | one for mgmt |
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| 12:02.27 | Nunnsby | and 2 and 3 for pass-thru |
| 12:02.27 | ChrisH | DotHack: And what is your problem/question now? |
| 12:02.38 | Nunnsby | network connects to 2 |
| 12:02.43 | Nunnsby | server to 3 |
| 12:02.48 | blackshirt | if i had a problem related with debian, i would try to ask here |
| 12:02.52 | abrotman | Nunnsby: i'd guess you need to read the docs in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 12:03.03 | Nunnsby | and I am trying to do tc on the br interface to do rate-limitting/latencym, etc |
| 12:03.06 | abrotman | Nunnsby: it should handle how to start the bridge at boot time The Debian Way |
| 12:03.18 | DotHack | ChrisH: e2fsck doest clear the ext4 error count so i get warnings erevry day is syslog that there were some erros in the past... |
| 12:03.19 | Nunnsby | I can get that working once the bridge is up, but the reboot doesn;t hold |
| 12:03.43 | Nunnsby | I have the config in the /etc/network/interfaces, but thinking that is maybe wrong |
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| 12:04.02 | abrotman | so use a pastebin and show the channel .. /me steps away |
| 12:04.03 | Nunnsby | any cmd to run ti check for errors, ro follow the path |
| 12:04.28 | ChrisH | DotHack: Please show it to us as I requested. fsck and the syslog messages |
| 12:04.36 | Nunnsby | dmesg | grep eth dhows the interfaces recognised but not binding it appears |
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| 12:04.48 | Nunnsby | cool |
| 12:05.39 | Nunnsby | thewanderer1, what would that mean for them if I was an AT modem? |
| 12:06.11 | ChrisH | Nunnsby: +++ means: attention.. prepare for answering get into cmd mode |
| 12:06.15 | thewanderer1 | Nunnsby, you'd beep a lot... |
| 12:06.22 | DotHack | ChrisH: http://paste.debian.net/191527/ |
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| 12:08.10 | Nunnsby | oh, ok |
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| 12:09.01 | Nunnsby | thewanderer1, so I should get beeps in my client too then?? my earphones are plugged in but I'm not using them, so won;t hear it |
| 12:09.03 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 12:09.35 | zW_ | mmm |
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| 12:09.58 | zW_ | Anyone has a clue why a debian on normal console (vga connected) does not ask for a password when logging in as root ? |
| 12:09.59 | DotHack | ChrisH: and after fsck, by using dump2efs the FS error count is still 5 |
| 12:10.51 | jhutchins_wk | zW_: Whoever set it up configured it to not require a root password. |
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| 12:11.24 | thewanderer1 | Nunnsby, no. you're a human, not a modem, apparently... never mind :P |
| 12:11.50 | thewanderer1 | Nunnsby, now, paste the bridge config to paste.debian.net and we may be able to help |
| 12:12.24 | zW_ | jhutchins_wk: but where can I check that ? |
| 12:12.41 | jhutchins_wk | zW_: Check what? |
| 12:12.58 | a_meteorite | Hm, I have a NIC defined in interfaces, allow-hotplug eth1, iface eth1 inet dhcp, up sleep 5; ethtool -s eth1 autoneg on speed 100 duplex full (cable modem goes whacky if it negotiates to gigabit) |
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| 12:13.23 | a_meteorite | If I unplug the ethernet, or the modem goes down, it seems to never ifdown the interface, and conversely ifup to get a new DHCP lease when it comes back up |
| 12:14.02 | a_meteorite | This is a slightly modified Wheezy (for UEFI/GPT) |
| 12:14.12 | a_meteorite | Is that normal behavior? If so, how can I change that? |
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| 12:14.43 | zW_ | jhutchins_wk: where can I disable that ? I already set a new root password with passwd (which works if I check that with ssh) |
| 12:14.55 | zW_ | only on the physical console it does not require a password |
| 12:15.06 | Nunnsby | cool, will do |
| 12:15.07 | zW_ | And I wanna understand where that is configured to be able to disable that |
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| 12:15.24 | a_meteorite | Watching syslog, e1000e knows the link goes down, but the DHCP lease is never pulled (ifconfig shows the IP it got before going down) |
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| 12:16.17 | a_meteorite | Ideas? |
| 12:16.27 | ManoftheSea | a_meteorite: yes, normal. Why would it change? |
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| 12:16.55 | a_meteorite | ManoftheSea: well, for one, there's no link - and when the link comes back up, it never renews the DHCP |
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| 12:17.03 | a_meteorite | which... kinda doesn't work |
| 12:17.06 | ManoftheSea | The lease is still valid. |
| 12:17.13 | ManoftheSea | why isn't the lease valid? |
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| 12:17.37 | a_meteorite | I had it unplugged for quite awhile over night, plugged it back in, it never got a new DHCP lease |
| 12:17.44 | a_meteorite | it had no address assigned |
| 12:17.46 | jhutchins_wk | zW_: So it's requiring a root password for ssh, but no password for local login? |
| 12:17.56 | a_meteorite | I had to ifdown and ifup it back |
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| 12:18.01 | zW_ | jhutchins_wk: indeed |
| 12:18.06 | ManoftheSea | a_meteorite: oh, you had it unplugged past the lease period? |
| 12:18.08 | jhutchins_wk | zW_: Who set it up? |
| 12:18.10 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 12:18.13 | ManoftheSea | Hmm, I thought it would periodically check that. |
| 12:18.15 | zW_ | jhutchins_wk: ex employee |
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| 12:18.56 | a_meteorite | I mean maybe I could make a cron or something to check that, but... well I didn't really want to if there's a way to fix it configuration wise |
| 12:19.11 | ManoftheSea | well, you could use Network Manager. |
| 12:19.12 | ChrisH | DotHack: check Bug 682910 |
| 12:19.19 | a_meteorite | I'm going to be leaving this server and would rather not have to get someone to reboot it in the event of an extended power outage |
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| 12:19.37 | a_meteorite | ManoftheSea: it's GUI-less |
| 12:19.59 | ManoftheSea | NM has a cli |
| 12:20.17 | a_meteorite | oh |
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| 12:20.39 | ManoftheSea | Certainly it's not the most transparent gui... |
| 12:20.53 | Nunnsby | wanderer1, can't copy paste, running this vm in a vsphere lab environment and don't have ssh access to the device as it is all virtual |
| 12:20.58 | DotHack | ChrisH: ah.. i am indeed running a kernel from backports.. because i had some trouble with xen migration with the stable one |
| 12:21.00 | Nunnsby | only vsphere console |
| 12:21.06 | Nunnsby | but what I do have it this |
| 12:21.09 | ManoftheSea | But "nmcli" can allow you to work with network manager |
| 12:21.17 | Nunnsby | ifconfig only shows eth0 and lo |
| 12:21.20 | ManoftheSea | Hmm... I'm not sure how you set it up, though. |
| 12:21.33 | ManoftheSea | So, that's an option, but not the best. |
| 12:21.34 | jhutchins_wk | zW_: I'd start by contacting the ex employee and asking how it was done. |
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| 12:21.40 | ChrisH | DotHack: looks like this is more or less a cosmetic issue. Do you understand german a bit? |
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| 12:21.56 | ManoftheSea | Perhaps a cron job that runs a script, "If I have no IP, reload dhcp"? |
| 12:21.58 | jhutchins_wk | zW_: Since that's unlikely to work, I'd look at the pam configuration and see what's non-standard. |
| 12:22.14 | a_meteorite | ManoftheSea: that's basically all I want |
| 12:22.23 | ManoftheSea | gotta go. |
| 12:22.31 | DotHack | ChrisH: a little im from holland |
| 12:22.32 | a_meteorite | thanks for the suggestion |
| 12:22.33 | Nunnsby | the file /etc/network/interfaces has: auto lo, auto eth0, and then iface br0 inet manual, with bridge_ports eth1 eth2 underneath |
| 12:22.59 | Nunnsby | brctl show shows nothing |
| 12:23.01 | ChrisH | DotHack: therfore I asked.. check http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2010-12/msg10724.html (englush) and http://blog.alexanderkoch.net/2011/error-count-in-ext4/ (german) |
| 12:23.11 | Nunnsby | now if I gt brctl addif br0, etc then it works fine |
| 12:23.21 | ManoftheSea | auto br0 |
| 12:23.39 | Nunnsby | above the iface br0? |
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| 12:25.38 | Nunnsby | DOH! dude, ManoftheSea |
| 12:25.39 | Nunnsby | thanks |
| 12:25.45 | Nunnsby | I'm such and idiot |
| 12:25.47 | Nunnsby | lol |
| 12:25.58 | Nunnsby | working "mooi" as we sometimes say |
| 12:25.59 | Nunnsby | :P |
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| 12:27.29 | DotHack | ChrisH: there should be a newer e2fsprogs in backports.. |
| 12:28.08 | ChrisH | ,v e2fsprogs |
| 12:28.09 | judd | Package: e2fsprogs on i386 -- lenny: 1.41.3-1; squeeze: 1.41.12-4stable1; sid: 1.42.5-1; wheezy: 1.42.5-1 |
| 12:28.20 | ChrisH | does not show the backport ones |
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| 12:29.21 | bool | how do i check if the iptables limit extension is installed and available? |
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| 12:38.11 | jhutchins_wk | ChrisH: judd knows about backports, so if none is listed there isn't one (or judd hasn't updated yet). |
| 12:38.42 | jhutchins_wk | bool: limit extension? |
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| 12:39.13 | Nunnsby | me again ... :) |
| 12:39.20 | Nunnsby | how do I stop bind from auto starting? |
| 12:39.25 | Nunnsby | without uninstalling it |
| 12:39.30 | Nunnsby | I might have a use for it later |
| 12:39.38 | Nunnsby | but right now I don't need it |
| 12:39.59 | abrotman | Nunnsby: update-rc.d |
| 12:41.28 | Nunnsby | abrotman, sweet |
| 12:41.43 | Nunnsby | knew there was something to do the trick |
| 12:41.44 | Nunnsby | cheers |
| 12:41.47 | Nunnsby | :) |
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| 12:47.49 | mooperd | Hi. Can I set a single script to be executable by a non root user? |
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| 12:51.02 | abrotman | mooperd: but with root permissions ? |
| 12:51.11 | mooperd | abrotman: yep |
| 12:51.25 | mooperd | So a user can load and unload kernel modules |
| 12:51.32 | mooperd | for example |
| 12:53.15 | mooperd | abrotman: ….how do I do that? :) |
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| 12:57.42 | thewanderer1 | mooperd, use sudo |
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| 12:59.11 | mooperd | thewanderer1: but doesnt sudo give the use access to all root stuff? |
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| 13:00.05 | dkr | with sudo, you can specify one specific command for a user to run as a specific user |
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| 13:00.31 | dkr | man sudoers |
| 13:01.15 | dkr | although in this case, if you let them load a kernel module by allowing them to run modprobe with root privs, they could load a module which would in turn give them a root shell relatively easily |
| 13:01.42 | specing | mooperd: you can also set the SUID bit on the file |
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| 13:02.50 | mooperd | And of course they should not be able to edit the script |
| 13:03.07 | specing | chmod 2711 |
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| 13:04.08 | redwarriors25 | gud eve |
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| 13:07.34 | hroi | im raiding with mdadm 4 3TB disks |
| 13:07.48 | hroi | Im looking at the status /proc/mdstat |
| 13:08.01 | hroi | and there it shows the progress of the raid construction... |
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| 13:08.14 | hroi | however, it says something funny: |
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| 13:08.26 | colo-work | so laugh :) |
| 13:08.50 | hroi | md0: active raid5 sde1[4] sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sdb1[0] |
| 13:09.07 | hroi | .... 512k chunck, algorithm2 [4/3] [UUU_] |
| 13:09.12 | hroi | now, |
| 13:09.19 | hroi | this is strang is it not? |
| 13:09.30 | hroi | why UUU_ ... should it not say UUUU |
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| 13:09.55 | hroi | also, why does it count [4] [2] [1] [0] ... ?? |
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| 13:11.48 | ChrisH | hroi: check and compare with /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf Disk 3 is missing |
| 13:11.48 | VlanZ | any clue how to list every sata/usb drive on debian? |
| 13:12.19 | ChrisH | VlanZ: lshw -short -C disk |
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| 13:12.27 | colo-work | VlanZ, also check out https://github.com/pturmel/lsdrv |
| 13:12.31 | colo-work | (not packaged afaik) |
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| 13:14.28 | VlanZ | ChrisH: thanks! |
| 13:15.09 | hroi | ChrisH: mdadm.conf doesnt say much at the moment. |
| 13:15.29 | hroi | ChrisH: nothing on the number of devices nor what raid level |
| 13:15.47 | hroi | ChrisH: I actually found the following thread: http://serverfault.com/questions/43575/how-to-create-a-software-raid5-array-without-a-spare |
| 13:15.54 | hroi | this guy has the same problem as me... |
| 13:16.26 | hroi | his solution is to run mdadm with --force --assume-clea --level=5 |
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| 13:16.42 | hroi | somehow --force makes his fourth drive be included... |
| 13:16.51 | hroi | otherwise it will be spare according to him |
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| 13:17.09 | colo-work | hroi, what is the situation? does your array contain any data? |
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| 13:18.11 | Zeeflo | Is it possible to convert a current mdadm raid0 to raid5? |
| 13:18.15 | Zeeflo | without loss of data |
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| 13:18.54 | hroi | colo-work: no, no data, brand new drives |
| 13:19.05 | colo-work | Zeeflo, I don't know if RAID0 to RAID5 is possible, but mdadm and its --grow action are pretty darn flexible |
| 13:19.09 | hroi | colo-work: Im setting up the raid for the first time, and then I will format it |
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| 13:19.13 | colo-work | hroi, how did you create the array? |
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| 13:19.24 | colo-work | is it still syncing data? |
| 13:19.40 | colo-work | (is there an ascii-art progress bar in mdstat?) |
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| 13:19.58 | ChrisH | Zeeflo: I would not expect it to work. |
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| 13:20.35 | hroi | I created with... mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sde1 |
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| 13:22.08 | hroi | colo-work: it is still syncing data yes. |
| 13:22.18 | hroi | colo-work: yes ascii progress bar |
| 13:22.19 | colo-work | hroi, wait until it's finished |
| 13:22.28 | colo-work | everything should be fine by then |
| 13:22.47 | hroi | colo-work: what do you think about the option to use --force and --assume-clean ? |
| 13:22.53 | hroi | colo-work: supposedly it is faster? |
| 13:23.08 | colo-work | hroi, nothing. --assume-clean is mostly for re-creating an array that lost its metadata |
| 13:23.15 | colo-work | don't use it if you don't know you need to |
| 13:23.33 | colo-work | the initial sync is good for your array's health, as it will probably kick out a failing drive before you put data on it |
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| 13:24.59 | hroi | colo-work: ok, so, even if I now progress towards putting xfs on the raid... everything will sort itself out, and suddenly the new |
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| 13:25.04 | hroi | drive will add more space? |
| 13:25.17 | hroi | somehow magically the fourth drive will be added, ? |
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| 13:25.34 | Zeeflo | ok |
| 13:25.39 | colo-work | hroi, can you paste the full output of `cat /proc/mdstat` to paste.debian.net? |
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| 13:26.02 | colo-work | it's normal for a RAID5 array to assume being degraded during the initial rebuild |
| 13:26.09 | hroi | colo-work: :S I would have to type it, ... not internet connected server at moment |
| 13:26.15 | colo-work | ok |
| 13:26.25 | redwarriors25 | is debian 6.04 the latest version |
| 13:26.42 | hroi | colo-work: ahh, right, so the raid I will actually show 3*3TB already |
| 13:26.47 | colo-work | you'll have 3xN LBA sectors available, where N is the number of LBA sectors each of your backing devices has |
| 13:26.48 | boudiccas | no, you want 6.0.5 |
| 13:26.49 | hroi | colo-work: just it is not fail safe yet |
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| 13:27.10 | colo-work | hroi, yes, the _ will turn to an U once the sync is done |
| 13:27.40 | hroi | colo-work: thank you! starting to make sense, how about the funny device indexing starting at 4, then 2,1,0 ? |
| 13:27.51 | hroi | colo-work: will 4 be renamed to 3 when it is ready? |
| 13:28.00 | colo-work | I don't have an explanation for that, but it's irrelevant. |
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| 13:28.23 | colo-work | I don't think it will be renamed, but as long as the superblock is consisten on all the member devices, everything's going to be fine |
| 13:28.39 | hroi | colo-work: ok, thanks again! |
| 13:28.43 | colo-work | no problem |
| 13:28.47 | colo-work | you're welcome |
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| 13:42.54 | hroi | colo-work: do you know it it is normal that my resulting volume group has only 8.19 TB free? |
| 13:43.08 | hroi | colo-work: I am raiding 4x 3TB disks.. with raid5 |
| 13:43.41 | hroi | colo-work: I thought it should be close to 4*3TB - 3TB = 9 TB? |
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| 13:44.53 | SPF | hroi: 5% is reserved for root, see http://www.unixtutorial.org/commands/tune2fs/ |
| 13:45.33 | SPF | I recommend changing it to 1% for large volume gruops |
| 13:45.38 | ChrisH | 3TB is calculated with 1000Bytes per KB and df counts with 1024Byes per KB.. that sums up at TB level. |
| 13:46.41 | colo-work | hroi, what ChrisH said |
| 13:46.45 | colo-work | it's normal |
| 13:47.13 | colo-work | feel free to blame/complain about the disk manufacturing industry ;) |
| 13:48.23 | abrotman | blames Gizmo |
| 13:48.43 | colo-work | blames abrotman |
| 13:48.44 | hroi | SPF: im not sure what you mean |
| 13:48.55 | hroi | SPF: I havent put any filesystem on the volume group yet |
| 13:48.59 | abrotman | it's math ... |
| 13:49.16 | colo-work | hroi, what SPF says is true, but it doesn't answer your question :) |
| 13:49.49 | hroi | colo-work: ChrisH: thanks its good it is normal, I can see it is not far from usuable space defined by the raid calculator |
| 13:49.50 | colo-work | e2-family filesystems will reserve a percentage of their allocated blocks for UID 0 |
| 13:49.58 | colo-work | so that ordinary users cannot exhaust the filesystem's free space |
| 13:49.59 | SPF | hroi: ok, then take my advise into consideration when you start making a filesystem |
| 13:50.20 | hroi | colo-work: SPF: thanks! great to know this |
| 13:50.33 | hroi | colo-work: SPF: it is part of the mkfs step, right? |
| 13:50.49 | grobda24 | Hello. I've been testing Mondo Rescue as a possible professional solution to backup of a production system (part of a home recording studio). |
| 13:50.50 | colo-work | hroi, yes, but you can use tune2fs to re-set the reserved % after fs creation |
| 13:51.10 | hroi | colo-work: ok, great! |
| 13:51.12 | grobda24 | But I have found Mondo to be terrible when it comes to its interface, simplicity, clearness, etc |
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| 13:51.51 | grobda24 | What other solutions are there ? For example live ISO's that are friendly, easy to understand, have full tools and reliable backup ? |
| 13:52.55 | colo-work | grobda24, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PING_%28software%29 and friends |
| 13:52.55 | SPF | grobda24: you could try ultimatebootcd |
| 13:53.18 | boudiccas | grobda24: please define 'full tools'? |
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| 13:54.11 | grobda24 | Parted Magic could be a candidate for me |
| 13:54.18 | grobda24 | I'll check the link, thanks :) |
| 13:54.35 | tomreyn | i find clonezilla to be quite usable |
| 13:54.46 | hroi | SPF: am I right that tune2fs only works on ext filesystems? not the xfs system? |
| 13:55.02 | tomreyn | but i'm not sure a live cd is really the right way to approach a strategy for a regular backup |
| 13:55.04 | grobda24 | boudiccas: like the Parted Magic CD has. Anything that can help recover from a failiure ... file recovery, partitioning, restore backup images, etc |
| 13:55.42 | grobda24 | tomreyn: can it restore to a different hardrive architecture ? |
| 13:56.15 | tomreyn | grobda24: i'm not sure, please read up on it. |
| 13:56.43 | tomreyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disk_cloning_software << sort by licensing and look at the ones which are "free software" |
| 13:57.30 | tomreyn | but before you do this, make sure disk closing is really what you want to use. there are other options with less overhead |
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| 13:59.36 | grobda24 | colo-work: is that part of "partclone" ? |
| 13:59.45 | tomreyn | grobda24: i don't mean to rule out cloning (it /may/ well make sense) just suggesting you make yourself aware of other backup strategies, too, before you take a decision. |
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| 14:00.48 | grobda24 | tomreyn: yes, good advice. I need to have a backup of the full production system with all the correct libraries, etc as I cannot guaruntee perfect reproduction of functionality from a vanilla install of Debian |
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| 14:04.39 | guardian | hello, what could be the reason why an executable built from C++ src on squeeze doesn't run on wheezy? it says "not a dynamic executable" |
| 14:04.51 | tomreyn | grobda24: since you say you're doing home reocrding there, be sure to at least have separate partitions (much preferrable separate disks, too) for where you store operating system and the actual audio/video files. the smaller a partition is, the faster it is to restore it from a backup. if you only need to resotre some partitoons, not everything, you can save a lot of time. |
| 14:04.59 | guardian | architecture is x86_64 |
| 14:05.06 | guardian | on both boxes |
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| 14:07.01 | ChrisH | guardian: compare ldd -v on both boxes |
| 14:07.22 | guardian | ldd -v says not a dynamic executable |
| 14:07.28 | guardian | on the wheezy box |
| 14:07.35 | guardian | md5 sums are equal |
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| 14:09.58 | grobda24 | tomreyn: yeah I know, already doing that :) |
| 14:10.00 | jelly | guardian: what does file say? |
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| 14:10.43 | guardian | ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0xe964389aac7e89dd510d30bf7d819d351f371068, stripped |
| 14:10.45 | guardian | on wheezy |
| 14:11.21 | grobda24 | says - helpful inks guys and gals, thanks for the help :D |
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| 14:11.50 | jelly | grobda24: thatsa nota 64bit binary |
| 14:11.54 | jelly | erm. |
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| 14:12.02 | jelly | I meant guardian. |
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| 14:12.38 | grobda24 | np |
| 14:12.44 | jelly | guardian: you're missing support to run 32 bit userspace on the wheezy installation |
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| 14:12.49 | guardian | ah yeah forgot that |
| 14:12.55 | guardian | how do I install that again? |
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| 14:13.18 | jelly | I have no idea for wheezy... previously it was ia32-libs |
| 14:13.30 | jelly | now, maybe, |
| 14:13.33 | jelly | !multiarch |
| 14:13.33 | dpkg | Debian is working towards the ability to install packages from one architecture on a machine that is running a different architecture. This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!), helps tag firmware blobs with the correct arch and allows easier cross-compiling and bootstrapping. Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0 "Wheezy". http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110726b http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch |
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| 14:15.19 | jelly | guardian: there's a user howto linked on the wiki page, but it seems outdated |
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| 14:16.16 | guardian | and it doesn't say how |
| 14:17.04 | jelly | it'd be something like: run "dpkg --add-architecture i386", do an "apt-get update", install stuff |
| 14:17.20 | jelly | now, _which_ stuff do you have to install? |
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| 14:17.27 | jelly | libc6:i386 for a start |
| 14:17.29 | jelly | I guess |
| 14:18.56 | ChrisH | guardian: try aptitude install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk first |
| 14:19.30 | jelly | ChrisH: erm. "This makes i386/amd64 issues simpler (no more ia32-libs!)" |
| 14:20.03 | ChrisH | jelly: OK... I did fix it that way till now. |
| 14:20.05 | themill | ,depends ia32-libs --release wheezy --arch amd64 |
| 14:20.06 | judd | Package ia32-libs in wheezy/amd64 -- depends: lib32bz2-1.0, lib32asound2 (>> 1.0.18), lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), lib32ncurses5 (>= 5.7+20100313), lib32stdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), lib32v4l-0 (>= 0.5.0), lib32z1 (>= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg),dpkg (>= 1.13.21), libc6-i386 (>= 2.9-18). |
| 14:20.16 | themill | (you can still use it as a grab-bad ov everything) |
| 14:20.23 | themill | s/ov/of/ |
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| 14:20.38 | themill | hmm... or not. I thought you could. |
| 14:20.51 | jelly | does libc6-i386 do the "right thing" and enable i386 and install libc6:i386? |
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| 14:21.07 | grobda24 | colo-work: why does PING not support ext4 ? |
| 14:21.33 | themill | jelly: doesn't look like it |
| 14:22.42 | jelly | release goal, but for which release |
| 14:23.22 | tremon | "Multiarch support is a release goal for Debian 7.0" ? |
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| 14:25.00 | alkisg | Hi, I installed debian/lxde but my computer doesn't automatically sync time from the network, should I install the ntpdate package? |
| 14:25.04 | tremon | jelly: I don't think libc6-i386 automatically enables i386 arch. fafaik multiarch still has experimental status in wheezy, and the I think dpkg maintainers objected to it being enabled by anything automatically |
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| 14:25.44 | themill | alkisg: "ntp" not "ntpdate" |
| 14:25.49 | jelly | tremon: apparently, "release goal" is a SHOULD, not a MUST |
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| 14:26.00 | alkisg | themill: ntp is the server, and ntpdate the client, right? Do I need a server? |
| 14:26.29 | themill | alkisg: no. ntp is a daemon that changes your time slowly not a crufty piece of crap that gives you timewarps |
| 14:26.31 | jelly | there are still largefile bugs, and lfs has been a release goal for, like sarge |
| 14:26.34 | boudiccas | ntp runs ntpd the daemon and it just woorks out of the box |
| 14:26.44 | alkisg | themill: ah, gotcha, thanks |
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| 14:26.58 | blackswan | ntpdate abruptly sets your time to match the time on an ntp server |
| 14:27.02 | tremon | alkisg: according to the description for ntpdate "ntpdate is a simple NTP client [..] not sufficient for maintaining an accurate in the long run" |
| 14:27.14 | DotHack | im trying to do : net idmap secret alloc <passwd> but my password contains -- so it gets interpreted as parameter what do i do? |
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| 14:27.23 | tremon | and the description does include "clock" somewhere in there |
| 14:27.25 | alkisg | Thank you guys |
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| 14:28.06 | boudiccas | alkisg: wrong! we're not /all/ guys, some of us are female! |
| 14:28.22 | xand | maybe he wasn't thanking you |
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| 14:28.55 | tremon | waits for alkisg to declare its gender |
| 14:28.56 | boudiccas | i replied to his question too, if you read the scroll-back |
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| 14:29.09 | alkisg | boudiccas: I'm no native english speaker, but I've heard movies where girls call each other "guys" :D And the same happens here in greece too, we have some male-words that in recent years can target females as well :D |
| 14:29.42 | themill | alkisg: every female I've come across in the last 10 or so years agrees with you apart from boudiccas. Feel free to ignore her on this one ;) |
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| 14:29.57 | mrhanky | does the setting dns-nameservers in /etc/config/interfaces work for ipv6 too? |
| 14:30.11 | xand | I just use resolv.conf... |
| 14:30.13 | alkisg | Anyways, /me restates: thank you all :) |
| 14:30.26 | xand | the interfaces file doesn't support ipv6 properly |
| 14:30.31 | xand | or multiple IP addresses |
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| 14:32.59 | tremon | DotHack: if net has normal unix parameter parsing, putting -- in front of the secret should work |
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| 14:33.19 | tremon | that's dash dash space, not just two dashes |
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| 14:34.36 | DotHack | tremon: thnx! |
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| 14:35.47 | MySystem | hello sry for question here but #mail is nobody and google outputs very much with the search for mail, i have mails on my server from cron and so but i dont get it how to mark as read or delete a message, has anybody a nice short manual link for the konsole mail app |
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| 14:36.20 | redwarriors25 | in this link can i select the first for full installation of debian? |
| 14:36.35 | redwarriors25 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 14:37.24 | DotHack | tremon: hard to find this -- in the docs |
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| 14:38.00 | Brigo | redwarriors25: there is DVDs too |
| 14:38.09 | redwarriors25 | ok tnx |
| 14:38.53 | Brigo | redwarriors25: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 14:39.36 | ChrisH | MySystem: My recommendation mutt or pine |
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| 14:42.05 | jhutchins_wk | MySystem: Most installs include mailx which has the mail command for a primitive reader that will let you read/delete the messages. Not very intuitive, I usually install alpine for console mail. (Alpine is pine with a more DFSG friendly license). |
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| 14:42.33 | sunshinehappy | hi |
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| 14:45.09 | MySystem | ok good to know that there are userfrendly apps but dont wont to install much and dont realy need mail only to check if cronjobs run without errors |
| 14:45.17 | MySystem | found xmail |
| 14:46.54 | MySystem | it lookes much like mail |
| 14:48.05 | jelly | MySystem: mutt or alpine aren't that awful |
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| 14:48.52 | jelly | I check root's mail with mutt, but then again, I use mutt as my standard mail client so that doesn't say much |
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| 14:51.58 | Blackboxcoder | hi :) |
| 14:53.27 | Blackboxcoder | i bought a LINUX - Magazin.. on this Magazin was a DVD with debian, mint & puppy. now i am interested to debian. |
| 14:54.33 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: Great, welcome. Can we make this any easier for you? What do you need help with? |
| 14:54.46 | DotHack | Blackboxcoder: great! |
| 14:55.08 | Blackboxcoder | i insterted this dvd, and boot from this one. and selected debian.. so and now i am on the grub comand line. how can i start debian |
| 14:55.15 | Blackboxcoder | booted* |
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| 14:56.12 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: Hmm, that is a tough question as we have no idea what is actually on that DVD. It is certainly not an official image that we would recommend. You might be able to start it simply by hitting ENTER though. |
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| 14:57.29 | Blackboxcoder | I get a visual interface where i can select the distri. than i can select debian and the Grub-Commandline starts. its a offical DVD- |
| 14:58.01 | boudiccas | Blackboxcoder: was this the 'Linux Format' magazine? |
| 14:58.26 | Blackboxcoder | no, its a german magazine. called Linux für Profis |
| 14:58.37 | boudiccas | ah, don't know it then |
| 14:58.40 | ChrisH | Blackboxcoder: let me check their webpage |
| 14:58.52 | Blackboxcoder | wait a sec please |
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| 14:59.06 | Blackboxcoder | it`s a special edition from chip |
| 14:59.35 | Blackboxcoder | http://www.chip.de/downloads/Linux-fuer-Profis-CHIP-Sonderheft_56255798.html |
| 14:59.37 | nkuttler | Blackboxcoder: that sounds like a bug. the distros should probably just boot when you select them |
| 14:59.51 | nkuttler | you certainly shouldn't have to use the grub command line |
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| 15:00.11 | Blackboxcoder | i think this one too |
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| 15:00.44 | Blackboxcoder | the problem is i cant boot from usb on this laptop |
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| 15:01.14 | Blackboxcoder | so i have to use a dvd |
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| 15:01.41 | Blackboxcoder | i tried a mint with debian |
| 15:02.03 | abrotman | Blackboxcoder: why not just get the regular Debian installer ? |
| 15:02.19 | ChrisH | Blackboxcoder: chip.de is awfully slow for me. |
| 15:02.43 | drhouse123 | why apt/aptitude did not unmarkauto for each meta-package automatically and how I can get it ? |
| 15:02.57 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: What are you actually trying to do? Do you want to test a Live CD of Debian or would you like to install it? |
| 15:03.38 | Blackboxcoder | i can't burn a debian dvd - because i dont have a dvd-burner and the image is too big for a cd.. (i want xfce ^^ ) |
| 15:03.39 | babilen | drhouse123: Could you elaborate please? |
| 15:04.01 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: Do you have access to the internet? How do you connect to the internet? |
| 15:04.10 | nkuttler | Blackboxcoder: if you just want to boot try something like http://wiki.debianforum.de/Die_Grub_Shell |
| 15:04.12 | Blackboxcoder | eth-wire |
| 15:04.15 | MySystem | ok i decided to take one of the named mail clients which is the smaller and simpler one from the ones |
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| 15:04.56 | Blackboxcoder | you're so nice, a german link for me :) |
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| 15:05.16 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: Ok, you *really* don't need to download/use the entire DVD. Debian offers a variety of images and software can be downloaded from the internet during the installation as well. What kind of hardware are you installing on? Are you running a Linux right now? |
| 15:05.38 | drhouse123 | babilen: meta-package removes everything that in-depend, but I want purge meta-package only but not his dependences. |
| 15:05.50 | nkuttler | Blackboxcoder: but if they didn't even get the boot process right it's possible that the rest doesn't work too well either... |
| 15:05.56 | babilen | !tell drhouse123 -about remove rhythmbox |
| 15:06.33 | babilen | drhouse123: That should give you an idea of *one* suitable solution. What are you *really* trying to do? Would it make sense to install a smaller metapackage and mark selected packages as manually installed? |
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| 15:07.34 | babilen | nudges Blackboxcoder |
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| 15:08.45 | drhouse123 | babilen: can aptitude do unmarkauto for all each meta automatically and may i can set it in apt's config ? |
| 15:08.46 | Blackboxcoder | ok, i have a 2ghz laptop with 2 gb ram |
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| 15:09.14 | themill | drhouse123: so it's the dependencies of the meta-package that need to be marked as manually installed, not the meta-package itself |
| 15:09.56 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: Ok. Do you know which processor do you have? Are you by chance running another Linux distribution already or are you currently running Windows? |
| 15:09.57 | Blackboxcoder | i write from my tower-computer with windows.. |
| 15:09.57 | drhouse123 | babilen: i just won't waste my time for doing unmarkauto manually for stock system |
| 15:10.15 | Blackboxcoder | und my laptop should get debian |
| 15:10.16 | boudiccas | Blackboxcoder: thats perfectly adequate to run XFCE with. i'm running it on a 1500MHZ clockspeed, 500mb ram old machine of about ten years vinatge quite adequately |
| 15:10.34 | Blackboxcoder | that is the reason why i want xfce |
| 15:10.48 | blackswan | i installed cups on a wheezy system, now it's spewing error messages to log files: |
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| 15:11.07 | boudiccas | vintage |
| 15:11.09 | blackswan | to /var/log/cups/error_log: E [21/Sep/2012:11:08:08 -0400] cupsdAuthorize: Empty Basic password! |
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| 15:11.36 | blackswan | to /var/log/cups/access_log: localhost - - [21/Sep/2012:11:08:08 -0400] "GET /admin/conf/lpoptions HTTP/1.1" 401 0 - - |
| 15:11.39 | blackswan | any ideas? |
| 15:12.09 | blackswan | it's filling up my root partition with this. |
| 15:12.29 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: Sure - I would recommend to use a "netinstall" image that will download everything you need from the internet. I will ask out bot to send you some additional information about the installation process. The first will contain a link to a netinstall image that contains firmware and the second explains how you can install XFCE. |
| 15:12.36 | babilen | !tell Blackboxcoder -about firmware image |
| 15:12.43 | babilen | !tell Blackboxcoder about install xfce |
| 15:13.22 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: So, download the image and burn it to the CD. You can then select XFCE from the installer boot menu ("Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install") |
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| 15:14.29 | boudiccas | babilen: i think Blackboxcodersaid that he didn't have a cd/dvd burner, so he may have to install from usb |
| 15:14.42 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: You can download an i386 image for 32bit or amd64 for a 64bit version. Given that you have "only" 2GB RAM you most likely don't need amd64. |
| 15:14.58 | babilen | boudiccas: My understanding was that Blackboxcoder can burn CDs but not DVDs. |
| 15:15.02 | ChrisH | boudiccas: He said now DVD-Burner and USB boot does not work. so CD schould be OK |
| 15:15.23 | Blackboxcoder | CD is okay |
| 15:15.29 | MySystem | thanks you all i found mutt already installed in my system and finally mark read and deleted my messages |
| 15:15.43 | babilen | !tell Blackboxcoder -about ig |
| 15:15.55 | boudiccas | ah, yes, 'cant boot from usb' is what Blackboxcoder actually said, i got it wrong, sorry! |
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| 15:16.26 | MySystem | have a nice day you all |
| 15:16.27 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: That factoid contains a link to the installation guide and you might also want to take a look at the excellent http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/installation.html |
| 15:16.40 | drhouse123 | babilen: Ithen, I need marking as 'manually installed' for all such necessary packages ? |
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| 15:16.54 | babilen | drhouse123: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 15:19.23 | drhouse123 | babilen: I didn't anything for now but I experienced with that issue earlier. thanks for answers. |
| 15:19.27 | Blackboxcoder | i thank you guys for the big support :) i will read all the articles carefully and try my best :D |
| 15:19.55 | babilen | drhouse123: It really depends on the actual case. Is this about Gnome? |
| 15:20.23 | drhouse123 | babilen: it is about kde too :) |
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| 15:20.44 | drhouse123 | kde-full, kde-standard |
| 15:21.58 | babilen | drhouse123: You might also be interested in the "kde-plasma-desktop" metapackage. But I am not that familiar with KDE's packaging (nor do I want to be) -- Do you want to remove one of the dependencies? |
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| 15:27.42 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: Just ask if you have a question. Please also note that we have a German support channel (#debian.de) if you prefer to speak German. |
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| 15:28.50 | Blackboxcoder | if its okay for you, i want to imrpove my english skills |
| 15:28.58 | redwarriors25 | how can i check my version of debian |
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| 15:29.12 | boudiccas | redwarriors25: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:29.23 | redwarriors25 | ty |
| 15:29.33 | boudiccas | redwarriors25: you're welcome |
| 15:30.00 | redwarriors25 | is it the latest 6.04 |
| 15:30.13 | boudiccas | no, it should be 6.0.5 |
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| 15:30.27 | babilen | Blackboxcoder: No problem -- Just wanted to mention it :) |
| 15:30.29 | redwarriors25 | how i uprade to 6.05 |
| 15:30.50 | boudiccas | sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 15:30.54 | babilen | redwarriors25: Just run "apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade" |
| 15:31.05 | Blackboxcoder | thank you |
| 15:32.24 | redwarriors25 | thank you |
| 15:32.30 | babilen | redwarriors25: An "apt-get dist-upgrade" *might* be necessary in certain situations. You might want to read "man apt-get" to learn about the differences of these commands. I can also recommend http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html#section.apt-mise-a-jour (and the rest of that book) |
| 15:33.05 | MySystem | back again with anaother question hope iam not totaly wrong here i have a root cronjob that returns failed because he searches for the two apps to run in /bin/sh the cron cmd is "ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org > /dev/null; hwclock -w > /dev/null" |
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| 15:33.44 | boudiccas | just install ntp and let it run, no cron job needed at all. it will take care of your system for you |
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| 15:34.26 | MySystem | i know i just removed ntp |
| 15:34.59 | xand | why did you do that? |
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| 15:35.06 | boudiccas | best put it back then :) ntpdate is deprecated, and ntp is the currently working one |
| 15:35.08 | redwarriors25 | nothing happens |
| 15:35.38 | boudiccas | redwarriors25: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:35.58 | ChrisH | ntpdate is only usefull to manually sync the clock once. setup ntp and be happy... |
| 15:36.00 | redwarriors25 | i want to upgrade 6.04 to 6.05 version |
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| 15:36.45 | boudiccas | redwarriors25: okay, like i saod beforre, 'sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get upgrade' |
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| 15:36.55 | boudiccas | said before |
| 15:37.52 | abrotman | would recommend aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade |
| 15:38.35 | MySystem | its an experiment i know ntp is much easier and more exakt but this isnt the point, the point is that cron searches for the two apps in "/bin/sh: hwclock: not found" |
| 15:38.45 | redwarriors25 | nothing happen |
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| 15:38.52 | abrotman | redwarriors25: use a pastebin to show us |
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| 15:39.04 | abrotman | it's quite likely your system is up to date |
| 15:39.07 | redwarriors25 | it appears 0 upgrade o newly installed |
| 15:39.20 | abrotman | redwarriors25: all up to date, carry on! |
| 15:39.32 | tremon | MySystem: hwclock has nothing to do with ntp |
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| 15:40.11 | MySystem | *smile* yes but the cronjob has to first synch time with time server and then correct the hwclock |
| 15:40.26 | tremon | ah, it's a custom cron job :) |
| 15:40.47 | tremon | why do you need to re-sync the hwclock? |
| 15:41.05 | redwarriors25 | here only outputs |
| 15:41.14 | redwarriors25 | Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20120128-12:53] squeeze Release.gpg Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20120128-12:53]/ squeeze/contrib Translation-en Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20120128-12:53]/ squeeze/contrib Translation-en_US Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Bina |
| 15:41.15 | jhutchins_wk | MySystem: Depending on how ntpd was compiled it has the ability to sync on startup over a broader range of error than is standard. |
| 15:41.16 | MySystem | yeah many lines above was the cmd "ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org > /dev/null; hwclock -w > /dev/null" |
| 15:41.46 | MySystem | tremon: because of bios battary failure |
| 15:41.52 | redwarriors25 | how to paste bin |
| 15:42.21 | MySystem | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 15:42.33 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 15:42.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 15:43.24 | redwarriors25 | this was the output http://pastebin.com/4juwbgcE |
| 15:43.35 | boudiccas | redwarriors25: you've only got the sources for teh CR installation in your /etc/apt/sources.list , you need more sources. please see the following factoid |
| 15:43.51 | redwarriors25 | whe upgrading to 6.04 usig comman sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 15:43.59 | boudiccas | ,dpkg squeeze aources |
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| 15:44.19 | boudiccas | ,dpkg squeeze sources |
| 15:44.35 | boudiccas | !judd squeeze sources |
| 15:44.36 | dpkg | boudiccas, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 15:44.51 | babilen | !tell redwarriors25 -about make squeeze sources.list |
| 15:44.55 | boudiccas | judd squeeze sources |
| 15:44.59 | MySystem | so anybody know why i get "/bin/sh: ntpdate: not found /bin/sh: hwclock: not found" when the root cron trys to run "ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org > /dev/null; hwclock -w > /dev/null" |
| 15:45.05 | boudiccas | bollocks, i give up |
| 15:45.27 | tremon | MySystem: I still wouldn't use a cronjob for that, unless you don't always have a network connection at boot (e.g. laptop). I would use ntpd's -q option at boot only (as jhutchins says), then just use ntpd |
| 15:45.37 | tremon | MySystem: because /sbin isn't in $PATH? |
| 15:45.53 | babilen | redwarriors25: Please edit your /etc/apt/sources.list according to the factoid dpkg (our bot) just sent you. The problem is that you only have the CDs in there and that not all online repositories are checked. |
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| 15:47.08 | redwarriors25 | is this right deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main |
| 15:47.18 | boudiccas | redwarriors25: yes |
| 15:47.19 | redwarriors25 | paste to source.list |
| 15:47.33 | MySystem | yes tremon i know but as i said its an experiment and ahhhhh so my cmd has to look like "/sbin/ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org > /dev/null; /sbin/hwclock -w > /dev/null" ? |
| 15:47.47 | drhouse123 | babilen: This is not actually now :) |
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| 15:49.27 | dioz | bunch of hackers in here |
| 15:49.35 | tremon | MySystem: if said binaries are in /sbin, yes. |
| 15:50.37 | redwarriors25 | still not working |
| 15:51.25 | MySystem | nice thx and ntpd -q i will keep in mind |
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| 15:52.29 | boudiccas | redwarriors25: did you paste them into /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 15:53.17 | redwarriors25 | i dont have directory it says so i do nano /etc/spt/source.list instead and then paste this http://http.debian.net/debian/ links |
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| 15:53.58 | boudiccas | redwarriors25: it /must/ be /etc/apt/sources.list and not as you said. that is where apt-get looiks for its sources |
| 15:54.19 | redwarriors25 | oh no permission denied |
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| 15:54.44 | boudiccas | do 'su-' and give the root password, and then do it |
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| 15:55.41 | zak_ | hi |
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| 15:58.41 | jhutchins_wk | MySystem: The path that's available to crontab commands is not the same as your shell path, use the full path to the command. Use which <command> to determine the path. |
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| 15:59.43 | jhutchins_wk | One advantage of ntpd vs. ntpdate is that ntpd maintains a drift file where it tries to learn to anticipate clock errors and apply an ongoing correction in between server time checks. |
| 15:59.51 | MySystem | ah nice which i searched aktually thx |
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| 16:00.18 | cusco | hi |
| 16:00.47 | MySystem | yes the drift file is one of the things i have to deaktivate in my experiment |
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| 16:01.55 | cusco | I am missing /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action |
| 16:02.03 | cusco | can't figure out why |
| 16:02.05 | cusco | in wheezy |
| 16:02.16 | cusco | used to have it not long ago,and write 'check' in there |
| 16:02.28 | redwarriors25 | still have a problem http://pastebin.com/LKrGKAnX |
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| 16:03.34 | abrotman | redwarriors25: what's in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 16:03.42 | abrotman | oh wait, it works |
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| 16:03.45 | abrotman | redwarriors25: try again |
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| 16:04.09 | abrotman | i suppose teh DNS could still be hosed |
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| 16:05.02 | MySystem | nice now without errors thx a lot and i will keep the use of ntpd in mind for after the experiment |
| 16:05.14 | redwarriors25 | here |
| 16:05.16 | redwarriors25 | # Generated by NetworkManager domain localdomain search localdomain nameserver 192.168.206.2 |
| 16:05.39 | redwarriors25 | permission denied if only /etc/resolv.conf so i use nano |
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| 16:06.06 | redwarriors25 | cant still upgrade to 6.05 |
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| 16:07.46 | dutchfish | redwarriors25, your dns server spits out wrong IP's for the domains queried by apt. |
| 16:08.01 | MySystem | now iam hopefully gone for today so thx to all helpers and have a nice day |
| 16:09.02 | redwarriors25 | what should i do |
| 16:09.16 | dutchfish | redwarriors25, check your dns server |
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| 16:09.26 | redwarriors25 | how? |
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| 16:09.50 | dutchfish | redwarriors25, is the dns server for that station maintained by you? |
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| 16:10.53 | redwarriors25 | i mean this my own pc in my home |
| 16:11.09 | abrotman | maybe point your dns at 8.8.8.8 |
| 16:11.18 | dutchfish | redwarriors25, as an example dig -t A debian.nctu.edu.tw should RESULT in 140.113.2.137 |
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| 16:12.48 | n1md4 | Hi. This is a nautilus question. Does any one know how to set the default view to 'list' ? |
| 16:13.01 | babilen | redwarriors25: Does puffinhost.com ring a bell? |
| 16:15.08 | redwarriors25 | theres nothing here ftp://ftp.tku.edu.tw/ |
| 16:15.17 | redwarriors25 | where my dl cant start |
| 16:15.24 | bool | Hello? Could someone help me with my iptables config? I am trying ot allow SSH and prevent Brute Force attacks, but I am not sure about the two rules i have marked with #!!!#. Do I need these two rules to make it work? http://pastebin.com/ACGRiSAs |
| 16:15.39 | abrotman | bool: there is a #netfilter for that |
| 16:16.15 | bool | thanks |
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| 16:39.01 | johndoe | which bitcoin client do you suggest? |
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| 16:44.36 | digdilem | bool, moving ssh off port 22 will stop almost all automated bruteforce attempts |
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| 16:46.10 | digdilem | bool, and there's that logwatching package whose name completely escapes me that blocks ips after X attempts |
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| 16:48.00 | kaawee | Hello! How can I fake that a package is configured while it is not configured? |
| 16:50.04 | babilen | kaawee: AFAIK no, why would you want that? |
| 16:51.16 | kaawee | babilen: because if a configure script fails repeatedly (due to a bug), the whole dpkg and apt-get system is unusable |
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| 16:52.12 | kaawee | babilen: see http://pgsql.privatepaste.com/41432c9a24 |
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| 16:56.19 | babilen | kaawee: That bug has been fixed -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623672 -- Which locale are you using? |
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| 16:57.57 | awc737 | if I have iptables rules like the following, how would I delete num 1? |
| 16:57.58 | awc737 | http://paste.laravel.com/6aI |
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| 16:58.51 | awc737 | I tried root@dcw1:~# iptables -D INPUT 1 |
| 16:58.52 | awc737 | iptables: Index of deletion too big. |
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| 17:00.20 | babilen | awc737: That is the PREROUTING chain not INPUT |
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| 17:01.03 | awc737 | iptables -D PREROUTING 1 ? |
| 17:01.04 | Devastator | iptables -t nat -D PREROUTING 1 |
| 17:01.14 | rgenito | i just did apt-get install lamp-server^ ... pretty sveet :) |
| 17:01.27 | awc737 | thanks Devastator! |
| 17:01.31 | babilen | awc737: tias! |
| 17:01.38 | Devastator | welcome.. |
| 17:01.39 | babilen | awc737: Oh, babilen is sad now |
| 17:01.50 | rgenito | but just curious... my /var/www directory is for root only, and i've seen a convention where servers will have all of the hosted web data as "www-data:www-data" user group |
| 17:01.51 | Devastator | hehehe |
| 17:01.52 | tharkun | babilen: Bist du Deutsch? |
| 17:01.55 | babilen | notes awc737's name on the black list |
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| 17:02.05 | awc737 | whats tias? |
| 17:02.10 | tharkun | !tias |
| 17:02.10 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
| 17:02.14 | rgenito | of course i can just change these files to this user group, but is there something extra that needs to be done for this to function properly? |
| 17:02.15 | awc737 | lol try what... |
| 17:02.22 | rgenito | for example... make apache run as www-data user? :D |
| 17:02.23 | awc737 | i did and i said thanks |
| 17:02.34 | Devastator | you thanked me and not him |
| 17:02.52 | babilen | Lets just drop it ... My joke wasn't that funny and we have better things to do :) |
| 17:02.53 | kaawee | babilen: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 |
| 17:03.05 | awc737 | oh |
| 17:03.09 | awc737 | thanks babilen |
| 17:03.10 | babilen | kaawee: Could you place the output of "locale" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:03.34 | babilen | tharkun: yes, why? |
| 17:03.34 | awc737 | but the command was obviously wrong and didn't work, trying it wouldv'e only resulted in more questions |
| 17:04.01 | awc737 | rgenito: i didn't know debian came with a lamp install script, i thought there was just tasksel web server |
| 17:04.22 | rgenito | it's for apt-get |
| 17:04.34 | rgenito | apt-get install lamp-server^ :D |
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| 17:04.52 | awc737 | that is nice |
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| 17:04.53 | babilen | rgenito: Where is that package from? Could you show me the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy lamp-server" on http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 17:05.00 | awc737 | does it install php5 mod_php? |
| 17:05.19 | rgenito | babilen, no, cause i need an answer to mah question first :D |
| 17:05.33 | rgenito | awc737, don't remember actually... i'm sure it does |
| 17:05.40 | rgenito | it didn't install gd tho, so i had to do apt-get install php-gd |
| 17:05.45 | rgenito | sorry, php5-gd |
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| 17:06.13 | babilen | rgenito: I doubt that you are using Debian -- It would be not only nice but also quite convincing to see the output I asked for. |
| 17:06.54 | babilen | rgenito: And the answer is "No" |
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| 17:07.06 | tharkun | babilen: some German company is hosting some spammers. I just needed a to know if there is an AntiSpam law in Germany or something similar? |
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| 17:07.22 | babilen | tharkun: → #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:10.07 | babilen | kaawee: Mind showing me the output of "locale" ? |
| 17:10.30 | kaawee | babilen: I've set the default locale to en_US.UTF-8 and retried and get this result: http://paste.debian.net/191626/ |
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| 17:13.22 | awc737 | how should I go about making :81 requirement dissapear from this domain? http://vm1.cagehost.com:81/ ? |
| 17:13.27 | awc737 | I am using iptables to forward port 81 on the external ip to port 80 on a VM's internal IP |
| 17:13.45 | xand | use port 80 |
| 17:14.16 | awc737 | xand: i need multiple web servers on one IP |
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| 17:14.40 | nkuttler | awc737: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ |
| 17:14.51 | awc737 | I have my host OS, and multiple VM's. can I install BIND , or set vhosts, or do anything in the host to not have the forwarding port appear |
| 17:15.24 | xand | you'd have to use vhosts and a reverse proxy like nginx |
| 17:15.29 | awc737 | nkuttler: i already put this in the host OS 192.168.0.101 vm1.cagehost.com |
| 17:15.37 | babilen | kaawee: Could you try a "apt-get install ca-certificates-java" please? (the files need to be unpacked again) |
| 17:15.43 | xand | or multiple IP addresses |
| 17:15.54 | awc737 | but it actually doesn't seem to make any difference if that vhost is there or not |
| 17:16.11 | awc737 | because I'm just forwarding an A record from my registrar to the external IP, and the appropriate port hits the appropriate VM |
| 17:16.33 | xand | DNS has nothing to do with port numbers... |
| 17:16.35 | awc737 | so I should look at a reverse proxy, on my Host OS, or guest OSs? |
| 17:16.51 | awc737 | does it sound like I need DNS for my goal? |
| 17:17.08 | xand | DNS is not relevant here. use a reverse proxy on the host |
| 17:17.22 | xand | which then forwards to the appropriate VM based on the hostname in the http request |
| 17:17.41 | specing | man debian's installer is so usefull |
| 17:17.47 | specing | doesen't even ship ping |
| 17:18.07 | awc737 | ok thanks a lot xand |
| 17:18.44 | awc737 | with reverse proxy, will I not even need the iptables nat rules I am using now? |
| 17:18.51 | specing | or ifconfig |
| 17:19.01 | specing | or anything else that would be remotely usefull |
| 17:19.08 | xand | it has ip |
| 17:19.26 | xand | specing: some things are only available after the "loading installer components" bit |
| 17:19.44 | matlads | Is there a channel for testing system recovery skills - i.e. a vm image of a system that is broken is some way, and attempts are made to fix it? |
| 17:19.52 | awc737 | xand: if I configure my reverse proxy in the host correctly, are the iptables rules pointless? |
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| 17:20.11 | xand | awc737: yes. |
| 17:20.12 | matlads | knows that the question is largely OT |
| 17:20.49 | awc737 | thanks a lot |
| 17:21.41 | nkuttler | matlads: the channel for the os |
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| 17:22.02 | specing | xand: anything that can serve as ping? |
| 17:22.16 | babilen | kaawee: Figured it out? |
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| 17:23.00 | xand | specing: not afaik :( |
| 17:23.16 | specing | D: |
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| 17:23.48 | kaawee | babilen: sorry, I had to kill the current process first |
| 17:23.54 | kaawee | babilen: "ca-certificates-java is already the newest version." and then the same problem repeats |
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| 17:24.22 | babilen | kaawee: "apt-get --reinstall install ca-certificates-java" ? |
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| 17:26.20 | kaawee | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/191632/ |
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| 17:26.51 | specing | xand: I think I know what is wrong |
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| 17:28.19 | babilen | kaawee: I'll be back in a second -- Please try purging the package prior to installing it again. |
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| 17:31.16 | boudiccas | n1md4: you can set the list view in the preferences |
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| 17:32.22 | kaawee | babilen: to no avail... but I think the other problem is a kind of bug in Java when running on a 64-core machone |
| 17:33.29 | boudiccas | kaawee: 64 cores? really? |
| 17:33.44 | babilen | kaawee: Does that do the trick? If it doesn't I would recommend to use dpkg. You should be able to download that package with "apt-get download ca-certificates-java" -- Run "dpkg -i ca-cartificates-java*.deb" to install it. My understanding right now is that you have to force unpacking of the package again. It has, however, been unpacked already (with the messed up filenames due to your "wrong" locale) .. |
| 17:34.01 | babilen | boudiccas: Just s/core/bit and you are fine I guess |
| 17:35.08 | babilen | kaawee: "dpkg --configure -a" does configure all already unpacked but not yet configured packages. It doesn't repeat the unpack step. I guess that "apt-get install" and "apt-get --reinstall" don't unpack again as well, but I am not 100% sure of that. |
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| 17:35.55 | kaawee | babilen: same effect when doing "dpkg -i ca-certificates-java*.deb" |
| 17:36.29 | kaawee | boudiccas: yes, really |
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| 17:37.17 | kaawee | the purpose of implicitly ca-certificates-java was actually to upgrade java because the installed java6 from sun seems to have high idle CPU load for some reason, and maybe this is the reason "keytool" (which is also a Java program) fails |
| 17:37.25 | babilen | kaawee: That is in the same console with the locale set correctly to en_US.UTF-8 ? |
| 17:37.45 | kaawee | babilen: yes, I've actually logged out and in |
| 17:38.00 | kaawee | (to get the implicit system locale set correctly) |
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| 17:40.27 | babilen | kaawee: Ok -- May I see the output? Did it unpack the .deb ? |
| 17:42.12 | kaawee | http://paste.debian.net/191639/ |
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| 17:44.30 | niang | hi |
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| 17:46.44 | kaawee | babilen: I've removed completely the sun java6, now openjdk-7-jre-headless at least makes "keytool" to not hang anymore |
| 17:46.47 | babilen | kaawee: Hmm, interesting. Looks as if the bug has been fixed in 20110425, but I wonder how other people are installing that package on Squeeze these days. |
| 17:47.12 | babilen | fires up a squeeze VM |
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| 17:49.33 | nsadmin | niang, welcome to debian support |
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| 17:50.59 | niang | how are u |
| 17:51.18 | niang | why |
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| 17:54.29 | nsadmin | !why debian |
| 17:54.30 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 17:54.47 | awc737 | i just installed a guest VM into debian, and internet to and from the guest works, but the host connection out is now broken |
| 17:54.53 | awc737 | can you give me any suggestion of where to troubleshoot? |
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| 17:56.19 | phox | well, ok, #nfs is dead and I'm doing this on debian... so I'm wondering if there is a way to configure SPECIFIC *protocol*/port pairs as one can in /proc/fs/nfsd/portlist via configs somewhere, e.g. in /etc/default/nfs-common.... only it seems that one can only specify PORTS there, not protocol/port combinations |
| 17:56.24 | LordDeath | we need an "apt-get warez PACKAGE" command for commercial software :) |
| 17:56.33 | phox | -t warez |
| 17:56.38 | phox | n00b :) |
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| 17:58.10 | babilen | kaawee: Reinstalling ca-certificates before ca-certificates-java might be worth a try. I've just tested it in my (pristine) squeeze vm (with openjdk) and didn't run into issues. |
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| 18:06.43 | tipox | ?_? |
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| 18:07.12 | tipox | 9_9 |
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| 18:09.44 | boudiccas | n1md4: you can also set it on the preferences |
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| 18:11.14 | vipkilla | im running debian squeeze, how do i install a package from the unstable repo? |
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| 18:11.58 | boudiccas | vipkilla: with great difficulty as you could cock it up for upgrading to wheezy |
| 18:12.07 | babilen | vipkilla: Generally speaking: You don't as it would almost certainly break your system. Don't mix stable with anything but backports -- With that out of the way: Which package? |
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| 18:12.20 | vipkilla | fence-agents |
| 18:12.27 | vipkilla | which does not exist in stable |
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| 18:12.39 | boudiccas | ,v fence-agents |
| 18:12.40 | judd | Package: fence-agents on i386 -- sid: 3.1.5-2; wheezy: 3.1.5-2 |
| 18:13.01 | babilen | vipkilla: You can backport it yourself by following the instructions in "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 18:13.35 | babilen | vipkilla: Ask the bot about all the factoids in <..> -- E.g. "/msg dpkg bdo" |
| 18:14.22 | vipkilla | what do you mean? |
| 18:14.43 | Devastator | ,check-backport fence-agents |
| 18:14.44 | judd | Backporting package fence-agents in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze. |
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| 18:15.29 | vipkilla | is so confused |
| 18:16.06 | Devastator | vipkilla /msg dpkg ssb and all your questions will most likely be answered |
| 18:16.18 | vipkilla | Devastator: reading that |
| 18:16.33 | vipkilla | added line deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:16.43 | phox | grr, lazy slob NFS maintainers =/ |
| 18:16.52 | vipkilla | how do i enable backports? |
| 18:17.26 | phox | vipkilla: add it to your sources.list (ok I can't just type the syntax off the top of my head :P) |
| 18:18.00 | vipkilla | deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main |
| 18:18.04 | Devastator | vipkilla also check http://backports.debian.net |
| 18:18.11 | Devastator | specially instructions |
| 18:20.01 | babilen | vipkilla: And read "/msg dpgk bdo" as I suggested earlier. All the things in < ... > are factoids that you can/should ask the bot. |
| 18:20.17 | vipkilla | thanks babilen compiling package now |
| 18:20.19 | vipkilla | :) |
| 18:20.26 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:20.44 | phox | anyone have any thoughts on sorting out NFSD/rpc.statd port/protocol configs? =/ |
| 18:21.17 | Devastator | have you tried debian wiki? |
| 18:21.21 | vipkilla | installed :) i love debian |
| 18:21.22 | phox | me? |
| 18:21.34 | Devastator | phox yes |
| 18:21.47 | phox | I've googled extensively. I'd think I'd have gotten a hit. |
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| 18:22.01 | phox | I think I'm going to have to write another init.d script because rpc.statd is stupid |
| 18:22.03 | babilen | vipkilla: Enjoy :) |
| 18:22.24 | vipkilla | how can i verify it's installed? |
| 18:22.46 | Devastator | phox like this? http://wiki.debian.org/NFSServerSetup |
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| 18:23.54 | phox | Devastator: no |
| 18:24.30 | Devastator | hum, sorry, i can't help then.. |
| 18:24.40 | phox | ok |
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| 18:24.46 | phox | I'm just going to write this script I guess |
| 18:25.16 | babilen | vipkilla: Did you install it? Just compiling it won't install it? |
| 18:25.41 | vipkilla | dpkg -i fence-agents_3.1.5-2_amd64.deb |
| 18:25.41 | dpkg | installs fence-agents_3.1.5-2_amd64.deb into vipkilla's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 18:25.49 | babilen | vipkilla: You could also try running it or check "apt-cache policy fence-agents" or "dpkg -l fence-agents" |
| 18:25.53 | vipkilla | ouch |
| 18:26.06 | vipkilla | yup it's installed. thanks. |
| 18:26.08 | phox | also speaking of the wiki this functionality is annoying and broken: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts =/ |
| 18:26.20 | phox | it's missing the "should" equivalent for "x-start-before" |
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| 18:26.36 | vipkilla | i like chkconfig more than update-rc.d |
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| 18:26.45 | vipkilla | why can't debian use chkconfig |
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| 18:27.28 | babilen | ,i chkconfig |
| 18:27.29 | judd | Package chkconfig (admin, optional) in squeeze/i386: system tool to enable or disable system services. Version: 11.0-79.1-2; Size: 9.0k; Installed: 68k |
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| 18:27.33 | babilen | vipkilla: ^^^^ |
| 18:27.34 | vipkilla | lol |
| 18:27.40 | vipkilla | i know... |
| 18:28.00 | babilen | Why do you ask then? |
| 18:28.14 | vipkilla | well debian comes with updated-rc.d insteadof chkconfig |
| 18:28.29 | babilen | We like cryptic, but working solutions! |
| 18:28.36 | vipkilla | haha... makes sense |
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| 18:28.52 | vipkilla | i found rhel a little easier to navigate around |
| 18:30.19 | nsadmin | umm yay! i think... |
| 18:30.27 | Devastator | argh :/ |
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| 18:33.17 | nsadmin | these days, that stuff is all deprecated in favor of insserv, which sorts the services in the order of need (if a service A needs service B running, B is started first) |
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| 18:34.05 | babilen | (cf. /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian) |
| 18:34.08 | Devastator | nsadmin this is so microsoft, the concept at least hehe |
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| 18:34.57 | nsadmin | could be, that if you disable A, then services depending on A (B,C,D,E,F,G,H,...) won't start |
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| 18:35.20 | nsadmin | Devastator, dependency-ordered boot you mena? |
| 18:35.40 | Devastator | nsadmin yup, but doesn't work in real world.. |
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| 18:35.59 | nsadmin | are you running squeeze? |
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| 18:36.34 | babilen | Devastator: Huh? Please give examples. |
| 18:36.44 | Devastator | nsadmin i mean: this is so microsoft, the concept at least, but doesn't work in real world for them :P |
| 18:37.59 | nsadmin | hmm. if it's "so microsoft" maybe someone should do a patent search |
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| 18:38.20 | Devastator | heheh i will |
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| 18:38.39 | Devastator | they try to do the same thing in every version |
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| 18:38.56 | babilen | mumbles something about off-topic and beer in other channels |
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| 18:39.10 | akfdj | http://vpayin.com/ref.php?page=act/ref&invcod=47781 |
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| 18:39.13 | Devastator | shushs |
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| 18:43.14 | rofl | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120921/03581820457/eu-officials-propose-internet-cops-patrol-no-anonymity-no-obscure-languages-because-terrorism.shtml |
| 18:43.59 | rofl | wrong channel |
| 18:44.31 | babilen | indeed |
| 18:45.09 | peterrooney | how would it affect debian's ability to distribute, say, tor? |
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| 18:46.05 | nsadmin | where is debian based these days? |
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| 18:47.36 | dkr | the internet |
| 18:47.38 | peterrooney | nsadmin: there's no 'there' there |
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| 18:48.48 | nsadmin | maybe have to bring back non-us and maybe non-us-eu |
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| 18:49.50 | dkr | doesn't non-free already cover that? |
| 18:50.02 | dkr | cackles maniacally |
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| 18:50.58 | nsadmin | dunno, another question to be curious about, is, if tor is shot down by us and eu, then where would it have to be served from? |
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| 18:51.30 | peterrooney | nsadmin: sounds like a perfect bootstrapping exam question. |
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| 18:52.39 | nsadmin | and of course, what are the chances this will happen |
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| 19:37.31 | alex- | I installed on 512 MB ram or something, and then I upgraded to 1024 MB |
| 19:37.35 | alex- | is there any way to prevent the system from using swap? |
| 19:37.47 | alex- | Because it's using like 600/1024 MB RAM, but it still uses 236 MB SWAP |
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| 19:49.36 | SubjectOne | is there a way to rename the "c2f374e9-6f57-44a5-97a7-42dda603c822" ? under fstab |
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| 19:54.27 | fas3r | Hello |
| 19:54.53 | fas3r | I would like to do a replication real time for apache, what is the best solution ? |
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| 19:55.27 | gordonjcp | hello |
| 19:55.53 | gordonjcp | I'd like to install Debian on a machine with limited "disk" space; actually 256MB of flash |
| 19:56.15 | gordonjcp | the minimal install is way too big, is there a way to just install the bare minimum? |
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| 19:56.39 | specing | gordonjcp: voyage |
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| 19:58.14 | nsadmin | gordonjcpthe minimal install is the minimal install (it's base only) |
| 19:58.25 | nsadmin | you should get a larger hd |
| 19:58.48 | gordonjcp | specing: looks like a good start |
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| 20:03.04 | ariejan | Hey. Just did a fresh install of Debian on my system. Grub got auto-installed to /dev/sda, but that's not the bootable disk. Can I use netinst cd to select the proper driver and boot anyway? |
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| 20:11.27 | Dantevios | !why debian |
| 20:11.27 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian) http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 20:12.20 | user_ | eh |
| 20:12.21 | alex- | I installed on 512 MB ram or something, and then I upgraded to 1024 MB. is there any way to prevent the system from using swap? Because it's using like 600/1024 MB RAM, but it still uses 236 MB SWAP |
| 20:12.48 | gordonjcp | alex-: you could comment out the swap line in /etc/fstab |
| 20:12.56 | user_ | troy |
| 20:13.00 | gordonjcp | alex-: why would you want to prevent it using swap? |
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| 20:14.06 | alex- | gordonjcp: because it makes my system slow |
| 20:14.10 | Mogget | alex-: chances are you want to let it use that swap space for efficiencys sake |
| 20:14.12 | alex- | using swap while there's still ram available |
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| 20:14.54 | gordonjcp | alex-: as opposed to just crashing? |
| 20:15.03 | phox | so, new crowd of people now... I'll ask again: I'm wondering if there is a way to configure SPECIFIC NFSD *protocol*/port pairs as one can in /proc/fs/nfsd/portlist via configs somewhere, e.g. in /etc/default/nfs-common.... only it seems that one can only specify PORTS there, not protocol/port combinations |
| 20:15.44 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.06 | nsadmin | whether you have swap or not, you still have the same amount of ram |
| 20:16.27 | Mogget | alex-: if you remove the swap space, the data in the swap will be moved to ram leaving you with no vacant ram and the os will crash |
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| 20:17.18 | alex- | I don't really get itd |
| 20:17.20 | alex- | it |
| 20:17.26 | nsadmin | phox, nfs requires portmapper |
| 20:17.29 | alex- | Why can't it just move the swap it's using now to the ram? |
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| 20:17.36 | alex- | And when it needs more than it's using now it will start using swap? |
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| 20:17.47 | alex- | Instead of: use 600 mb ram, and then use 200 mb swap, and then if it needs more use ram |
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| 20:22.46 | sriharsha | can't we have linux-3.2(from backports) and linux-2.6 both in squeeze? |
| 20:22.57 | tonytraductor | I'm having a serious problem. updates today have completely hosed both/either mariadb or mysql. |
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| 20:24.53 | tonytraductor | I was running mariadb on my webservers, ran updates and got errors in configuring mariadb-server, which I could not resolve, so tried to replace with mysql, and got similar errors. everything is completely hosed that relies on either mariadb or mysql, which is pretty well everything. |
| 20:25.21 | tonytraductor | This is on Squeeze, which is supposed to be Stable, and no have issues like this. |
| 20:26.19 | ansgar | I don' think mariadb is in squeeze... |
| 20:26.39 | tonytraductor | It is. |
| 20:26.48 | tonytraductor | I've been using it for months. |
| 20:27.10 | ansgar | apt-cache search mariadb -> nothing. |
| 20:27.28 | tonytraductor | But when I try to revert to mysql, I am still having troubles. aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client failes, telling me that mysql-server requires mysql-server-5.1. I try to install that, I get nothing. |
| 20:27.34 | tonytraductor | Okay, it must be in backports, then. |
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| 20:27.45 | babilen | tonytraductor: Where did you get it from? Could you show us the "apt-cache policy PKG" output for the mariadb package? |
| 20:27.50 | tonytraductor | But I have two servers completely hosed now. |
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| 20:27.56 | babilen | !tell tonytraductor -about bat |
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| 20:28.34 | t0th_-_Ausente_A | hi |
| 20:29.01 | tonytraductor | you want that stuff from which attempt? the initial update that hosed mariadb? or my attempts to revert to mysql? |
| 20:29.05 | tonytraductor | because both are failing |
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| 20:29.35 | babilen | tonytraductor: The more information you can provide the better. policy output for all packages in question and some real errors would be a start |
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| 20:29.54 | babilen | tonytraductor: Paste everything to http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL |
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| 20:30.01 | tonytraductor | I don't quite understand "policy output" |
| 20:30.28 | nsadmin | apt-cache policy [ <pkg> ] |
| 20:30.31 | babilen | tonytraductor: "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1" and "apt-cache policy NAME_OF_THE_MARIADB_PACKAGE" |
| 20:30.40 | babilen | (for example) |
| 20:30.45 | babilen | brb |
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| 20:31.49 | \n | hi, how can I prevent logwatch/anacron from sending out mail daily? |
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| 20:32.07 | tonytraductor | okay, here's all the aptitude output: http://paste.debian.net/191682/ |
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| 20:34.04 | tonytraductor | and here's the policy output: http://paste.debian.net/191683/ |
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| 20:35.53 | babilen | tonytraductor: mariadb is *not* in Debian -- It looks as if it provides a mysql server 5.5 which is why you can't install Debian's mysql server anymore (as you would have to downgrade that) |
| 20:36.25 | blah | Hi, i have ssh'd from a debian box into another debian box of which im trying to connect to a windows box via rdesktop how do i achieve getting the display to open in the local debian box? |
| 20:36.42 | t0th_-_Ausente_A | anybody uses supervisord with fastcgi?: |
| 20:36.48 | babilen | tonytraductor: Check your sources.list -- You have a third-party repository in there (i.e. http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/) from which you've installed mariadb. I would strongly recommend to talk to whoever provided those packages. |
| 20:36.50 | tonytraductor | oh, right, mariadb has their own repos. yes....so what do I do? I tried removing mariadb and installing mysql, but still no joy |
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| 20:37.35 | babilen | tonytraductor: Well, apparently you either need working mariadb packages (no idea about that as mariadb is not in Debian) or *maybe* a mysql 5.5 server |
| 20:37.56 | babilen | ,v mysql-server-5.5 |
| 20:37.57 | judd | Package: mysql-server-5.5 on i386 -- sid: 5.5.24+dfsg-8; wheezy: 5.5.24+dfsg-8; experimental: 5.5.25+dfsg-1 |
| 20:38.59 | tonytraductor | okay, I got one to remove mariadb and it's troublesome mysql server, and reinstalled mysql...will try the other server now. |
| 20:39.22 | babilen | tonytraductor: You might be able to backport ^^^ from sid as per "/msg dpkg ssb" (you need to backport doxygen-latex first!) but I wouldn't necessarily recommend that. |
| 20:39.25 | tonytraductor | Only, it seems I've lost something in my DBs. Can't log into the friendica installation on the first server I just "fixed" (and I know the user:pass is correct) |
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| 20:39.59 | babilen | tonytraductor: Well, those are mariadb's aren't they? They are probably not compatible with a standard mysql 5.1 ... |
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| 20:40.25 | babilen | tonytraductor: Really, you need to speak to whoever is responsible for MariaDB -- This has nothing to do with Debian. |
| 20:40.54 | blah | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.51 | babilen | tonytraductor: You want in particular #Maria on this network -- I would personally recommend to not use unsupported third-party packages and stick with whatever comes with Debian. Good luck! |
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| 20:42.14 | babilen | tonytraductor: They might know how you can get your data out of the MariaDB 5.5 databases and into MySQL 5.1 ones ... |
| 20:42.52 | blah | any help would be greatley appreciated |
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| 20:44.02 | tonytraductor | it's a drop in replacement (or at least, was when I went mysql->mariadb). didn't have to do anything to the DBs, just installed mariadb |
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| 20:45.05 | tonytraductor | well, Oracle owns mysql now, yes? And mariadb is 100% Free (also faster, or my experience has indicated so). |
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| 20:48.05 | Tramp | !tell blah -about sshx |
| 20:48.44 | jonesst1 | anybody about pls? I just upgraded to debian 6 and dovecot doesnt know what sieves are....how would I reset dovecot to clean? |
| 20:49.01 | jonesst1 | so i can start from scratch |
| 20:49.09 | babilen | tonytraductor: I wouldn't know as I am rather a PostgreSQL person, but you still want support in #Maria for their packages. |
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| 20:49.50 | \n | is there a way to prevent from anacron and logwatch from sending out daily messages? |
| 20:50.25 | babilen | tonytraductor: As indicated above ... Squeeze comes with MySQL 5.1 and your databases are MariaDB/MySQL 5.5 ... (hence the downgrade) |
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| 20:50.47 | specing | gordonjcp: I used it on my alix before I installed gentoo on there |
| 20:50.49 | tonytraductor | I can't get mysql-server to reinstall. I removed the mariadb repos from sources.list, removed all mysql pkgs, and have tried several times to reinstall mysql-server, mysql-server-core, mysql-server-5.1, etc., and I get errors every time. |
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| 20:52.53 | babilen | tonytraductor: Yeah, because it would have to do a downgrade (5.5 -> 5.1) which would, almost certainly, destroy data. Ask #Maria or #mysql for help with that migration. There surely is a method to create a backup of the data and then restore it on the older version. (e.g. mysqldump) |
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| 20:53.23 | babilen | tonytraductor: This is *not* a Debian issue and I strongly recommend to ask people who know more about MariaDB and MySQL than #debian :) |
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| 20:54.20 | tonytraductor | It IS a debian issue now, since I removed the MariaDB package and their repos from my sources.list, and still can't get msyql to reinstall. |
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| 20:54.53 | tonytraductor | err, can't get OUR (ie.debian) mysql packages to install. |
| 20:56.13 | tonytraductor | I removed all the mariadb packages, commented out their repos, and have tried a dozen times to reinstall mysql, now, and I keep getting an error: |
| 20:56.25 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.26 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.41 | tonytraductor | but aptitude install mysql-server-5.1 fails. |
| 20:56.47 | tonytraductor | this is a debian issue |
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| 21:03.53 | wobster | Hi everyone. I set up a jail root 'mount --bind'ing /dev to mnt/dev. Now I cannot umount this and lsof mnt/dev shows kdevtmpfs as its accessing it. How can I safely umount this? |
| 21:04.57 | somiaj | do you have anything that ran in the jail still running? |
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| 21:05.11 | gordonjcp | specing: it's for a Soekris net4511 so it needs to be i586 at most |
| 21:05.13 | wobster | no. nothing |
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| 21:05.42 | somiaj | tonytraductor: it could be because you still ahve old unoffical packages on that are conflicting with the debian packages making it uninstallable. |
| 21:05.52 | somiaj | tonytraductor: you can use aptitude to search for all pacakges that are not debian and remove them |
| 21:05.54 | xand | wobster: try mount -l ? |
| 21:05.55 | xand | er |
| 21:05.57 | jonesst1 | anybody about pls? I just upgraded to debian 6 and dovecot doesnt know what sieves are....how would I reset dovecot to clean somehow? |
| 21:06.00 | xand | umount -l |
| 21:06.05 | wobster | I forgot to bind /dev/pts earlier and some process tried to access that. maybe it's because of that. |
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| 21:06.24 | somiaj | jonesst1: you want to just erase all configs and go back the the default? |
| 21:06.30 | wobster | xand, then I cannot safely umount ./mnt anymore. and that would hurt. |
| 21:06.55 | tonytraductor | how do I find -not-debian pkgs with aptitude? |
| 21:07.13 | babilen | tonytraductor: Did you read the error message? The installation is aborted because installing MySQL server 5.1 would constitute a *downgrade* that would potentially lead to data loss. I *really* wouldn't recommend to do so, but if you want you can remove /var/lib/mysql/debian-*.flag and install again. Once again: This issue is caused because your MariaDB 5.5 installation (third-party) is not compatible with MySQL 5.1 |
| 21:07.18 | jonesst1 | somiaj yes ive backed up /etc/dovecot so I'd like a clean install so I can start again, this is a 5 to 6.05 upgrade |
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| 21:07.25 | tonytraductor | I did remove all the mariadb-client/server/core packages |
| 21:07.37 | babilen | tonytraductor: But your databases are still there, aren't they? |
| 21:07.47 | tonytraductor | No. I'm not getting that error now that I've removed the mariadb packages and repos. |
| 21:07.48 | somiaj | jonesst1: delete all the dovecot config fiels |
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| 21:07.58 | somiaj | jonesst1: then /msg dpkg confmiss (and follow the instructions to restore them) |
| 21:08.12 | babilen | tonytraductor: I am talking about the databases. The actual data .. |
| 21:08.19 | jonesst1 | thanks |
| 21:09.05 | tonytraductor | now that makes sense. |
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| 21:10.04 | babilen | tonytraductor: And I don't want you to lose that data. Hence my recommendation to discuss a migration strategy with people who can probably help more on the MySQL/MariaDB side of the problem. |
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| 21:11.18 | babilen | tonytraductor: btw, it looks as if mariadb is in the process of being packaged http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565308 |
| 21:12.09 | jonesst1 | in dovecot anyone know what sieves are? |
| 21:12.36 | tonytraductor | yes, removing the flags is allowing me to reinstall mysql...let's hope I haven't lost anything (trying on home/test server, first). |
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| 21:12.41 | somiaj | jonesst1: have you tried #dovecot |
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| 21:13.20 | jonesst1 | yeah no one home |
| 21:13.25 | nsadmin | you should also check the docs |
| 21:14.41 | babilen | tonytraductor: Why don't you do yourself the favour of discussing this issue in #Maria as well? You risk data loss by not doing that. |
| 21:14.46 | babilen | gives up |
| 21:14.48 | somiaj | yea can't help ya, but just lurk in there after you ask your question, somtimes slow room speople will respond in hours when they see it. Until then you have docs/google. |
| 21:15.00 | somiaj | jonesst1: ^^ |
| 21:15.23 | jonesst1 | yeah ive been googling....had a working setup in 5x now in 6 i dont |
| 21:15.23 | tonytraductor | I am in #maria, as well |
| 21:15.29 | somiaj | (though usually if someone knows here they'll pipe up...just trying to point ya in good directions) |
| 21:15.34 | tonytraductor | they're not responding to anything |
| 21:15.49 | jonesst1 | probably asleep |
| 21:17.18 | jonesst1 | yeah ta....i might have to backout my snapshot |
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| 21:17.35 | somiaj | yea we are to helpful and alert here, smaller projects aren't nearly as active. |
| 21:17.44 | jonesst1 | which is annoying as it was a perfect upgrade execpt for dovecot |
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| 21:18.33 | somiaj | jonesst1: you could try to install the lenny dovecot and/or build it from the lenny source package and install and see if it is the dovecot version vs something else. |
| 21:18.54 | somiaj | I don't know the dovecot depds that good, but it is common they are >= so installing older packages is sometimes possible. |
| 21:19.13 | somiaj | ,versions dovecot |
| 21:19.14 | judd | No package named 'dovecot' was found in i386. |
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| 21:19.28 | jonesst1 | i could but I'd rather get this over with, i'd only have to upgrade it later I suspect |
| 21:19.29 | somiaj | ,versions dovecot-core |
| 21:19.30 | judd | Package: dovecot-core on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:2.1.7-2; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-2 |
| 21:19.49 | somiaj | ,versions dovecot-common |
| 21:19.50 | judd | Package: dovecot-common on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.15-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-security: 1:1.2.15-7; squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:2.1.7-2; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-2 |
| 21:19.54 | somiaj | (was just seeing the version differens, there) |
| 21:20.21 | somiaj | yea so it will be something in the 1.0 to 1.2 upgrade I would look into, /usr/share/doc/dovecot-common should have a changelog you can browse though. |
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| 21:21.04 | Dantevios | What is debians release cycle like? |
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| 21:21.18 | somiaj | Dantevios: sparatic, on the 'when its ready' schedule |
| 21:21.30 | tonytraductor | new stable released usually evey c. 2 years |
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| 21:21.35 | tonytraductor | eveRy |
| 21:21.41 | somiaj | Dantevios: but if you look at the history, about 2 years or so between releases, giving each release about 3 years of support |
| 21:22.17 | somiaj | but it is tottaly when it is ready, there is no set release dates. It all about reaching 0 release critical bugs |
| 21:22.18 | jonesst1 | dantevious but usyally its pretty trivial to upgarde versions |
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| 21:22.50 | jonesst1 | i just did 5 to 6 and only dovecot broke |
| 21:22.53 | Dantevios | hrmm that's good jonesst1 |
| 21:23.19 | somiaj | jonesst1: they are getting more and more difficult. lenny->squeeze with the addition of udev and new apt features you had to just be careful about the order |
| 21:23.30 | somiaj | Dantevios: yea make sure you read the release notes before just blinding dist-upgrading |
| 21:23.38 | jonesst1 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html |
| 21:23.45 | jonesst1 | i found that easy |
| 21:24.21 | somiaj | yea the oldstable is also supported about a year after the release of the newstable |
| 21:24.47 | somiaj | so always best to wait for common problems to emerge and be document and also gives you a year to plan/coordinate any upgrades on production machines. |
| 21:25.04 | Dantevios | hrmm I'm debating making ubuntu LTS my desktop or debian my desktop that's why I ask |
| 21:25.09 | gordonjcp | specing: ah well, voyage isn't a goer; it doesn't support the soekris 4511 |
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| 21:25.31 | Dantevios | I can't really figure out the differences |
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| 21:25.50 | somiaj | Dantevios: its all in policy, package versions and what is considered stable |
| 21:25.52 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 21:26.02 | DelphiWorld | guys |
| 21:26.07 | DelphiWorld | i have a surprising things in my Debian |
| 21:26.14 | DelphiWorld | why i have tab completion now in apt-get? |
| 21:26.18 | somiaj | Dantevios: so lots of little behind the sceense differences, and philosophy of packages to include. But from the end point on a desktop it will look fairly similar (Though debian does push unity gnome3 more than debian) |
| 21:26.22 | DelphiWorld | so if i do apt-get upg i get upgrade |
| 21:26.37 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: they are just bash tabcompletion extensions |
| 21:26.45 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: you can create you own...forget the details though. |
| 21:26.49 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: how they come? |
| 21:26.57 | Dantevios | i'm a gnome fan but gnome 3 kind of irritates me |
| 21:26.58 | somiaj | most likely included with the apt packages |
| 21:27.00 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: is auto for me... didnt done anything |
| 21:27.12 | Dantevios | gnome 2 was a great improvement |
| 21:27.13 | true_pk | what is this dispute about? |
| 21:27.15 | babilen | ,i bash-completion |
| 21:27.16 | judd | Package bash-completion (shells, standard) in squeeze/i386: programmable completion for the bash shell. Version: 1:1.2-3; Size: 135.4k; Installed: 1032k; Homepage: http://bash-completion.alioth.debian.org |
| 21:27.18 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: yea it probabaly just came with an apt upgrade |
| 21:27.20 | babilen | Dantevios: ^^^ |
| 21:27.34 | DelphiWorld | babilen: me and my friend have the exact same version |
| 21:27.39 | DelphiWorld | but i have but he no:-P |
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| 21:28.15 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Difference in .bashrc -- You have to uncomment the "Yes, please source bash completion" |
| 21:28.19 | somiaj | Dantevios: I was mearly trying to point out what I see as the differnce. But policy/core/versions are the biggest and on desktops those hide behind the sceen mostly. |
| 21:28.44 | gordonjcp | Dantevios: all Linuxes are pretty much identical |
| 21:28.44 | Dantevios | what do you mean when you say policy somiaj ? |
| 21:28.48 | jonesst1 | im trying to do a --force-conmiss but its telling me aptitude does not have super cow powers???? |
| 21:28.49 | gordonjcp | Dantevios: pick one you like |
| 21:29.00 | DelphiWorld | hey gordonjcp |
| 21:29.02 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I am referring to http://paste.debian.net/191705/ (might also be set in /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc) |
| 21:29.12 | gordonjcp | DelphiWorld: evening |
| 21:29.12 | Dantevios | that's not true gordonjcp I mean I see a huge difference between RPM based distros and aptitude based distros |
| 21:29.16 | DelphiWorld | he's checking, babilen thank you |
| 21:29.28 | gordonjcp | Dantevios: there is no difference |
| 21:29.29 | Dantevios | and also I find the debian/ubuntu community support is by far the best over any other distro |
| 21:29.50 | somiaj | Dantevios: what is considered stable, where to put config files, what defaults are, how often to do releases, do you seperate free and non-free or just give uses a mix cause it works. |
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| 21:30.07 | Dantevios | gordonjcp: drivers, ease of use, etc is a big difference |
| 21:30.08 | babilen | !tell Dantevios -about why debian |
| 21:30.26 | somiaj | Dantevios: what is the boot up policy, what sound server to use, and so forth. That is why we don't help #ubuntu here is because we just don't know all the little core differences. |
| 21:30.59 | babilen | Dantevios: There as many answers as there are users. Community wise I can only recommend to spent a day in here and in #ubuntu -- That should give you a good impression of the IRC community. |
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| 21:31.39 | Dantevios | I've spent a fair amount of time in #ubuntu, but it's nice to chat with it's debian brother |
| 21:31.45 | Dantevios | or father i should say :) lol |
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| 21:32.13 | Mjbmr | Hello, is apache 2.4 fully supported by debian? |
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| 21:32.47 | Dantevios | Oh noes :( apache has moved up to 2.4 now? Where have I been lately? |
| 21:33.11 | somiaj | ,versions apache2 |
| 21:33.12 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny12; lenny-backports: 2.2.16-6+squeeze4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze7; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.2.16-6+squeeze8; sid: 2.2.22-11; wheezy: 2.2.22-11; experimental: 2.4.2-2 |
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| 21:33.25 | Mjbmr | experimental |
| 21:33.26 | meyou | no tomcat no care |
| 21:33.35 | somiaj | Mjbmr: the stable version (Squeeze) will only have 2.2, and wheezy is now forzen and only have 2.4 |
| 21:33.36 | jonesst1 | um aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $dovecot-common comes back as aptitude doesnt have super cow powers? |
| 21:33.53 | somiaj | Mjbmr: I mean 2.2. So no debian stable will not have apache 2.4 until at least jessie (which is more than 2+ years away) |
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| 21:34.19 | somiaj | i.e. not the upcomming wheezy release but the one after it may have apahe 2.4 (provided it gets out of experimental) which i assume it will by that time |
| 21:34.47 | Dantevios | When is wheezy coming out? |
| 21:34.48 | Mjbmr | some apache packages has wrong depends on experimental. |
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| 21:35.30 | somiaj | Dantevios: its in the freeze, and 'when its ready' as I told you eariler. Guess is sometime early next year, but next summer isn't far fetched either. |
| 21:35.39 | somiaj | my guess |
| 21:36.09 | Dantevios | oh I thought since it was in the freeze you meant it was frozen, no new changes were being implemented, and they have picked a release date my bad somiaj |
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| 21:36.24 | Dantevios | and it's time for me to go home, thank you all for the advice have a great weekend! |
| 21:36.33 | somiaj | Dantevios: freeze means just means no new version of packages will come in unless absolutely nescassary |
| 21:36.42 | DelphiWorld | thank you a lot babilen |
| 21:36.48 | DelphiWorld | nighter everyone |
| 21:37.03 | DelphiWorld | have a enlightning debian weekend |
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| 21:37.16 | Mjbmr | main documents on apache websites are related to apache 2.4. |
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| 21:38.07 | jonesst1 | can anyone help with restoring missing /etc/dovecot files pls? |
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| 21:39.12 | Mjbmr | purge and reinstall it, apt-get remove --purge dovecot apt-get install dovecot I guess. |
| 21:39.18 | somiaj | jonesst1: the info in /msg dpkg confmiss didn't do it for you? |
| 21:39.23 | SiDz | can anyone tell me whats the syntax in /etc/debsums-ignore |
| 21:39.28 | somiaj | Mjbmr: sometimes that won't even get them back if you removed them. |
| 21:39.30 | SiDz | can'T find it anywhere.. |
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| 21:39.44 | jonesst1 | no it says aptitude doesnt have cow super powers |
| 21:40.04 | jonesst1 | mjbmr that never seems to work |
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| 21:40.05 | somiaj | what was the exact command you typed? |
| 21:40.07 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.20 | somiaj | jonesst1: yea it is because debconf rembers. |
| 21:40.21 | bullgard4 | s/4/3/ |
| 21:40.26 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions mediatomb |
| 21:40.27 | judd | Package: mediatomb on i386 -- lenny: 0.11.0-3; squeeze: 0.12.0~svn2018-6.1; sid: 0.12.1-4; wheezy: 0.12.1-4 |
| 21:40.35 | jonesst1 | um, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall dovecot-common |
| 21:41.12 | tonytraductor | fixed...the folks on #maria did help me sort it out |
| 21:41.20 | jonesst1 | duh |
| 21:41.25 | jonesst1 | I left the in |
| 21:41.26 | somiaj | the conffile that is missing my not be in the dovecot-common package jonesst1 make sure you do that to all relevant dovecot pacakges |
| 21:41.33 | tonytraductor | problem was mytop, or something, causing conflicts, all resolved...phew....those guys really saved my butt |
| 21:41.46 | jonesst1 | I left the "$" in |
| 21:41.48 | jonesst1 | doh |
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| 21:43.46 | somiaj | tonytraductor: see when we say best to get advise elsewhere we aren't just tyring to pass the buck but actually be helpful. (: |
| 21:43.54 | scri | netinst is taking frickin forever |
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| 21:44.05 | scri | would it be disastrous to halt the install now? |
| 21:44.13 | scri | it's at halfway (after 2 hours) |
| 21:44.23 | somiaj | what part are you at |
| 21:44.33 | scri | preparing to configure ... |
| 21:44.38 | somiaj | the netinstall actually contains a minial install on it, so you can actually do the whole install without actually being on the network |
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| 21:45.02 | somiaj | him, you can hit alt-f2 open up a terminal and try to see what is going on. If its been there for two hours could be some strange hardware issue |
| 21:45.13 | jonesst1 | yes |
| 21:45.23 | jonesst1 | should take about 10mins |
| 21:46.29 | scri | maybe i shouldve unchecked a few package groups? |
| 21:46.36 | scri | i just used the defaults |
| 21:46.51 | scri | it's giving libreoffice, all this stuff i dont need off the bat |
| 21:47.18 | somiaj | well by the time you get to that point |
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| 21:47.41 | somiaj | you have installed a minimial system and ran tasksel, and you can select gigs of packages in those tasks if you pick a bunch of the big ones |
| 21:47.53 | somiaj | I prefer to skip tasksel and just use apt-get or aptitude to install the rest form there. |
| 21:48.13 | scri | ah, damn, should have skipped that |
| 21:48.40 | somiaj | if you are just downloading the packages it is fairly safe to just break it |
| 21:48.47 | scri | yeah, i'm rebooting |
| 21:48.55 | somiaj | and kill the downloading process, but since you are still in the installer |
| 21:49.15 | somiaj | you may want to kill the downloading processes and see if the installer just spits you past that step and gets you to a normal login |
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| 21:49.48 | scri | how do i cancel it? |
| 21:49.50 | somiaj | rebooting should also be fine, just unsure how well the installer will recover from being kinda in the middle |
| 21:49.57 | somiaj | as I said alt-f2 open up a new console |
| 21:50.14 | somiaj | and kill the subprocess that is downloading/installing packges - tasksel might get it all since it would be the parent |
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| 21:50.30 | scri | ok |
| 21:50.38 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.49 | somiaj | scri: if you want to reboot it, also do that from the console so it reboots properlly |
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| 21:51.09 | somiaj | bullgard4: apt-cache search sqlite -- debian sometimes has multiple tools. |
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| 21:51.58 | bullgard4 | somiaj: Thank you. |
| 21:52.41 | lnxslck | what's the runlevel that not uses X? |
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| 21:54.40 | KaiSforza | okay, running vsftpd on a server of mine, and the connection from any computer (even internally) is timing out. here is my vsftpd.conf file in case it is needed: http://sprunge.us/JKDf |
| 21:55.00 | scri | lnxslck: all except 5, i believe. |
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| 21:56.03 | lnxslck | scri, i want debian to boot but not to go directly to gdm and 2 and 3, still goes to gdm |
| 21:58.24 | dioz | how do i disable the screensaver all together in gdm3? |
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| 21:59.54 | scri | lnxslck: idk, i use systemd on Arch mostly. i'm mainly here as a supplicant too |
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| 22:03.35 | scri | lnxslck: but look at inittab |
| 22:03.46 | scri | that's where these things get configured |
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| 22:13.44 | Some_Person | is trying to decide between stable and testing |
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| 22:15.03 | Some_Person | suggestions? |
| 22:15.11 | meyou | testing |
| 22:15.21 | meyou | they get all the cool stuff |
| 22:15.39 | meyou | if you don't mind an occasional issue, but those just hone your debian knowledge :) |
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| 22:19.11 | tharkun | Some_Person: Server or Desktop? |
| 22:19.20 | Some_Person | desktop |
| 22:19.41 | Some_Person | I wouldn't think of running testing on a server |
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| 22:20.16 | tharkun | Some_Person: If you don't mind a rough ride once every 4 years and then slowly getting things calmer then testing is the way to go. |
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| 22:20.37 | Some_Person | a rough ride? |
| 22:20.48 | tharkun | Some_Person: If you have a lot of work and you actually need to do more work than debugging stick with stable |
| 22:21.28 | tharkun | Some_Person: you know when the program you were using yesterday suddenly breaks without you updating it |
| 22:21.40 | tharkun | Those kind of stuff that keep adrenaline pumping |
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| 22:24.17 | Some_Person | but stable also has packages that are several years old |
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| 22:30.33 | somiaj | Some_Person: look into backports, but in most cases the newer software isn't better or has features you need |
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| 22:31.26 | Some_Person | Well, I guess I'll try stable |
| 22:31.33 | somiaj | and in the cases it does matter you can backport it to run on squeeze (and wheezy will be released soon so testing and just waiting for it to tsablize may work well too) |
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| 22:40.56 | lnxslck | when i try to login into gnome it fails and loads gnome classic |
| 22:41.08 | lnxslck | i don t see any errors on xorg log or messages |
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| 22:41.24 | scri | how can i use syslinux with debian? |
| 22:41.25 | lnxslck | im running nouveau driver |
| 22:42.42 | scri | it only lets me install grub, wtf? |
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| 22:43.44 | Some_Person | Also trying to decide between Xfce and MATE (I consider GNOME 2 dead in the water, even though stable still has it) |
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| 22:52.08 | mwynne | Cinnamon/MATE is really nice |
| 22:52.10 | mwynne | i like it a lot |
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| 22:52.32 | pippin | cinnamon and mate are two entirely different things though |
| 22:53.12 | pippin | one is rebuilding something resembling the old experience on new infrastructure one is artifical life support of legacy infrastructure |
| 22:54.04 | aguitel | both are better than gnome-shell |
| 22:56.14 | blah | quit |
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| 23:01.21 | derdon_ | how can I disable my trackpad (thinkpad l520) for specific applications? using xfce by the way |
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| 23:09.31 | scri | derdon_: is that a synaptics touchpad? |
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| 23:09.45 | scri | i have a oneliner to toggle the touchpad on/off |
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| 23:12.48 | ffd2 | Hello! Quick question: Will the package manager of Debian EVER put anything in /opt ? |
| 23:13.54 | Sm0ke0ut | not that I know of |
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| 23:14.47 | Sm0ke0ut | /opt is usually being used by 3rd party .deb installations (like mysql-cluster, observium).. |
| 23:15.01 | nkuttler | ffd2: never seen anything like that, but check the policy to be sure |
| 23:15.08 | ffd2 | Thanks! |
| 23:15.10 | ffd2 | I'm used to ONLY installing software through the package manager, but this time I'll have to put some binaries somewhere manually, and /opt seems the natural place for that. Anything to keep in mind? |
| 23:15.27 | derdon_ | scri: share it maybe? |
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| 23:15.58 | derdon_ | scri: it's called "UltraNav": http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/UltraNav |
| 23:15.59 | Sm0ke0ut | /usr/local/bin is more logic I think, but that might depend on your application |
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| 23:17.03 | derdon_ | oh, I should read: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Synaptics_TouchPad_driver_for_X :-$ |
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| 23:19.52 | ffd2 | Sm0ke0ut: it's a whole distro of binaries/scripts (supposedly safe) with a complex dir structure, so I 'll have to put it in PATH manually anyway... if I put it in /usr/local/bin it might be difficult to uninstall properly. ~/bin would be the most natural, but /home is mounted noexec |
| 23:20.05 | scri | derdon_: synclient TouchpadOff=$[ ! `synclient -l | grep TouchpadOff | awk '{ print $3 }'` ] |
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| 23:21.46 | scri | i bind it to my XF86TouchpadToggle screen and no one's the wiser |
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| 23:22.07 | scri | s/screen/key ... |
| 23:23.25 | seravitae | hi, just installed wheezy/sid, setting up a media pc. it's got limited space so I didnt do a full graphical install. `apt-get install xorg` went fine, `apt-get install fluxbox` complains unable to find package. sources.list contains deb line for wheezy/updates main contrib non-free and likewise for deb-src. |
| 23:23.31 | derdon_ | scri: thx |
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| 23:24.17 | mischief | hi, is there a list of mirrors that have testing netinst amd64 images? |
| 23:24.46 | mischief | i keep trying to dl from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso but i am redirected to a swedish mirror that is very far :( |
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| 23:25.25 | themill | seravitae: perhaps start by pastebinning your sources.list for us → paste.debian.net |
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| 23:25.41 | seravitae | ok |
| 23:27.40 | seravitae | http://paste.debian.net/191742 |
| 23:28.41 | themill | seravitae: so you don't actually have a mirror in your sources.list at all |
| 23:29.10 | seravitae | i thought those were them? |
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| 23:29.28 | themill | that's a line for non-existent security updates |
| 23:29.48 | seravitae | ok, interesting. ill throw my AU mirror in then. |
| 23:29.51 | themill | seravitae: you need something like «deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free» |
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| 23:30.12 | seravitae | yeah, i see that now. hm |
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| 23:32.11 | seravitae | themill: thanks |
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| 23:34.33 | user-X | Hi... have a Q... how to install ~Java for chat ?! on Debian |
| 23:34.57 | cusco | !java |
| 23:34.58 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:35.29 | cusco | I am missing /sys/block/md0/md/sync_action and don't know why |
| 23:35.36 | cusco | used to have it not long ago,and write 'check' in there |
| 23:36.10 | user-X | cusco: thx... |
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| 23:52.05 | scri | so i did a basic netinstall, and apt-get wants me to insert a cd, but i have a connection |
| 23:52.16 | scri | how can i tell it to get from the web? |
| 23:52.30 | seravitae | scientes: check sources.list, comment out the cdrom lines? |
| 23:52.38 | scri | oh gotcha |
| 23:54.17 | scri | ok i did an update, says it'can't locate the package |
| 23:54.29 | scri | there's probably a command i'm missing |
| 23:54.38 | scri | apt-get update, i mean |
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| 23:56.46 | gnarface | scri: the tip to comment out the cdrom lines implies you have normal, working http/ftp ones there in their places ... an empty sources.list file won't help you any more than an empty cdrom drive |
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| 23:59.23 | scri | yeah, i comment cdrom, and uncommented... |
| 23:59.41 | scri | security.debian.org |
| 23:59.50 | gnarface | dpkg, tell scri about sources.list |