| 00:00.10 | seravitae | just like i had the problem before, you probably need an actual mirror in there, security.debian.org apparent doesnt do a lot. |
| 00:00.12 | scri | is that the bot? |
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| 00:00.29 | gnarface | scri: yes, dpkg is the info bot. |
| 00:00.32 | scri | dpkg: well? |
| 00:00.32 | dpkg | That's a deep subject, scri. |
| 00:00.38 | SiDz | lol |
| 00:00.39 | gnarface | scri: judd is the dpkg bot (i don't know why) |
| 00:00.39 | scri | dpkg: sources.list |
| 00:00.39 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main". Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <squeeze updates> <squeeze security> and "man sources.list". |
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| 00:01.23 | gnarface | scri: the bot told you that in a private channel at my request. check your IRC client for extra tabs, sidebars, or menu items denoting separate channels/converstation threads |
| 00:01.55 | scri | oh my bad, it opened on another screen |
| 00:02.28 | scri | stupid pidgin |
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| 00:03.55 | gnarface | scri: installing a trustworthy IRC client and learning how to handle will be a good investment of your time early on. trust me on this one. |
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| 00:04.13 | kal | hi |
| 00:04.17 | scri | thx, i think ill go back to using ERC |
| 00:04.54 | kal | im having trouble with the installer, can someone help me? |
| 00:05.12 | scri | dpkg: tell kal about ask |
| 00:05.15 | gnarface | kal: not unless you're more specific about the trouble |
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| 00:05.33 | gnarface | kal: we need error messages and steps to recreate |
| 00:05.46 | gnarface | kal: specific pastes of text output can be helpful |
| 00:06.43 | gnarface | kal: (don't paste in-channel though. use paste.debian.net) |
| 00:06.57 | kal | im using the wheezy installer, booting to a usb drive, i put the install iso also on the drive, when i go to "scan hard drives for installer ISO image" the installer hangs forever. I can go into shell mode and find the ISO, is there any way i can just manually mount the ISO for the installer to find and use? |
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| 00:11.57 | kal | the ISO image i put on the usb drive is named "debian-wheezy-DI-b2-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso" |
| 00:12.38 | gnarface | kal: how come you're not trying Squeeze first? |
| 00:12.58 | gnarface | kal: also, how come you're not using the net installer? |
| 00:13.24 | prietus | aptitude should be called attitude |
| 00:13.29 | kal | i guess i could try the net one |
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| 00:15.04 | gnarface | kal: there are a number of possible problems i see here but any one of them could be a red herring cause you're using wheezy (which might simply be broken all of its own accord) |
| 00:15.47 | gnarface | kal: the whole thing about reading the installer cd from the harddrive though... that's probably not a really safe approach for a beginner. the net installer is by far better tested. |
| 00:15.59 | kal | ya was thinking its just broken, but was wondering where/if it was ossible just to mount it myself (but where?) and have installer find it |
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| 00:17.56 | gnarface | kal: yea but even i don't know the right paths off the top of my head and if you don't get them exactly right the failure error message isn't going to give you any help guessing it right. |
| 00:18.58 | kal | i am using wheezy because I rely on many newer packages, thought it be easier than installing squeeze and then just upgrading all the packages to testing |
| 00:19.16 | gnarface | kal: you thought wrong, but its a common mistake. |
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| 00:19.47 | kal | is there any difference in those too methods? (1) installing wheezy and (2) isntalling squeeze and jsut change sources.list or whatever? |
| 00:20.35 | gnarface | kal: yes, the difference is wheezy's installer is often broken. also, relying on "many" newer packages isnt' necessarily of its own accord a justification for installing wheezy. you're recommended to try backports first. |
| 00:20.39 | gnarface | dpkg, tell kal about backports |
| 00:22.05 | gnarface | kal: (once installed, the upgrade process does *not* use the installer, so installing squeeze and upgrading can avoid wheezy's potentially broken installer) |
| 00:22.26 | kal | ya i mean that makes sense with the installer |
| 00:22.34 | kal | i wasnt expecting it to be broke |
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| 00:23.52 | gnarface | kal: well you're also doing something really weird. most people install from a netinstall cd or a normal cd. most people to NOT try to copy the installer to their harddrive and use a separate installer to try to use the first one as a repo. i don't know where you got the idea to start with THAT as the plan but its insane and probably the second or third most unnecessary convoluted approach to a debian install i've ever heard. |
| 00:24.36 | gnarface | doesn't know why people don't just try it the normal way first. everyone always just assumes they must need the bleeding-edge version of the whole damned OS because they want VLC's shiny new UI or something. |
| 00:24.49 | kal | no |
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| 00:24.53 | kal | not vlc |
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| 00:25.47 | kal | i do a lot of developement with gcc 4.7, was thinking maybe have less compatablity issues if my libraries were all compiled with it |
| 00:26.19 | z_marco | netinstall is the way to go.. preferably from scratch. :-) |
| 00:27.13 | simonlnu | it's not always b0rked, but it's not reliable |
| 00:27.13 | gnarface | kal: well... your kernel still won't be so fat chance of that. i recommend you consider doing a lot of development with gcc 4.6 instead. |
| 00:27.48 | gnarface | !SNS |
| 00:27.49 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 00:28.27 | kal | im using c++11 and gcc 4.7 has better support |
| 00:28.31 | gnarface | kal: even wine still needs gcc4.6 for optimal stability (such as it is) |
| 00:28.47 | simonlnu | they can co-exist |
| 00:28.55 | gnarface | that is also true |
| 00:29.12 | gnarface | in most cases you still need both because some shit won't work with 4.6 |
| 00:29.17 | gnarface | er, 4.7 i mean |
| 00:29.19 | gnarface | (both really) |
| 00:29.25 | simonlnu | though to use the newer one you'll need to do some env. var. changes or other finicky things |
| 00:29.31 | simonlnu | yeh |
| 00:29.35 | gnarface | nah all you need is to set CC |
| 00:29.41 | gnarface | as far as i know |
| 00:29.52 | gnarface | unless you're not using autoconf |
| 00:29.55 | gnarface | then god only knows |
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| 00:30.14 | simonlnu | i use ccache, and not everything responds to that, but many projects are getting better on settling on "standards" |
| 00:30.38 | simonlnu | they also tend to set things that way |
| 00:31.48 | simonlnu | most popular ones are cmake and autofoo |
| 00:31.53 | gnarface | hmm. there may be a gcc 4.7 in backports... i wonder |
| 00:31.58 | simonlnu | ime anyway |
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| 00:33.15 | kal | is wheezy that buggy at this stage that you dont recommend using it? |
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| 00:34.02 | simonlnu | it's in transition, preparing for release. so a lot of things are going on |
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| 00:34.29 | scri | i accidently removed myself from a bunch of groups |
| 00:34.38 | scri | is there a way to restore the default group membership? |
| 00:34.44 | simonlnu | check /var/backups |
| 00:35.02 | scri | nothing there |
| 00:35.41 | simonlnu | dunno man, i got a bunch of stuff ;). is this a new install? |
| 00:35.50 | scri | yeah |
| 00:36.03 | nevyn | why did you remove yourself from a bunch of groups? |
| 00:36.06 | gnarface | kal: the normal path of "fixing" things in debian appears to involve pedantically breaking them and then leaving them broken for weeks on end as a primary step. yes, i would avoid using wheezy (or sid for that matter) for anything important for the time being |
| 00:36.11 | simonlnu | that would do it. |
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| 00:36.50 | simonlnu | gnarface: o_O |
| 00:36.51 | scri | nevyn: i did usermod -G sudo instead of usermod -a -G |
| 00:37.01 | nevyn | scri: h. |
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| 00:37.14 | simonlnu | ouch |
| 00:37.34 | gnarface | simonlnu: just trying to prepare the children for the worst possible eventuality |
| 00:37.37 | scri | i.? |
| 00:37.39 | alex- | anyone? |
| 00:37.49 | simonlnu | gnarface: i see |
| 00:38.00 | simonlnu | hehe, funny way to do it |
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| 00:39.19 | simonlnu | certainly got my attention :) |
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| 00:40.17 | kal | i guess what i need more than gcc-4.7 is libstdc++4.7 you think that would be backported? |
| 00:41.02 | simonlnu | very commonly needed package, so it's likely |
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| 00:44.02 | themill | notes there are more (reported) RC bugs in squeeze than wheezy at this stage of the release cycle |
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| 00:44.47 | simonlnu | nice. ready to get out of the oven? :P |
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| 00:45.51 | kal | if i use wheezy now, what exactly is the process to continue to use it when it becomes stable, jsut apt-get update/upgrade or are there other steps? |
| 00:46.43 | dondelelcaro | kal: that's it |
| 00:46.51 | simonlnu | well, it's gonna be stable, so you'd be getting wheezy |
| 00:46.54 | dondelelcaro | kal: main thing is just to make sure your sources.list says wheezy, and not testing, and you'll be fine. |
| 00:47.05 | simonlnu | yup |
| 00:47.54 | nevyn | scri: oh. |
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| 00:50.41 | kal | where is the net installer for wheezy, before i used boot.img.gz and dd to copy it to my usb drive, but that doesnt seem to want to use the network |
| 00:51.19 | kal | i see a netboot.tar.gz |
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| 01:06.54 | kal | i used boot.img.gz under the hd-media directory, looks the same for squeeze too |
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| 01:22.31 | ChibaPet | So, another question. I just noticed that at some point dpkg moved aside my old /etc/default/rcS, which had my UTC specifier. Where does this information live nowadays? I'm not finding it. |
| 01:23.15 | dvs | ChibaPet: /etc/adjtime |
| 01:23.30 | ChibaPet | Ah, thank you! |
| 01:24.04 | ChibaPet | I saw the drift stuff in there but didn't notice the timezone, which is clearly right there. |
| 01:24.19 | ChibaPet | Don't know if there's a karma bot in here, but |
| 01:24.22 | ChibaPet | dvs++ |
| 01:24.40 | dvs | yay |
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| 01:25.48 | kal | anyone know how to do a net install from usb boot installer? |
| 01:26.06 | ChibaPet | kal: Do you mean you have a USB stick with an installer on it? |
| 01:26.12 | kal | yes |
| 01:26.25 | kal | it jsut asks me the location of ISO file when i run it |
| 01:26.39 | ChibaPet | It should be just like installing off of a CD, assuming you boot from it. You might need a boot-selection adjustment in your BIOS. |
| 01:26.50 | kal | it boots to it |
| 01:26.56 | kal | but the installer wants an ISO image |
| 01:27.15 | ChibaPet | Where did you get your image, out of curiosity? That error doesn't ring a bell. |
| 01:27.32 | dvs | thinks kal didnt cat the iso |
| 01:27.52 | kal | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 01:28.02 | kal | i used dd with boot.img.gz |
| 01:28.08 | ChibaPet | oh |
| 01:28.12 | ChibaPet | I'd recommend grabbing an ISO. |
| 01:28.16 | kal | ok |
| 01:28.31 | kal | can i dd the iso on the usb drive directly? |
| 01:28.34 | ChibaPet | yes |
| 01:28.40 | kal | kk |
| 01:28.40 | kal | thx |
| 01:28.53 | ChibaPet | dd if=filename of=/dev/sd{drive} |
| 01:29.05 | ChibaPet | With Debian, you can use the same ISO you'd burn to a CD. |
| 01:29.34 | kal | ok that helps a lot |
| 01:29.46 | ChibaPet | It's quite convenient. |
| 01:31.25 | kal | i seem to remember not being able to do that in the past :/ |
| 01:32.20 | ChibaPet | I don't remember the details of it, but it's something we (or GNU/Linux, or...) are doing explicitly. Doesn't happen with the BSDs as yet, as I understand it. |
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| 01:33.25 | ChibaPet | In fact, it's not Linux as a whole. I'm remembering now that RHEL-based distros don't do it. But Debian (and presumably derivatives) do it. |
| 01:33.55 | dvs | kal: squeeze was the first release where this will work |
| 01:35.01 | kal | ok that explains my confusion and trying to use boot.img, im sure its made obvious somewhere in the install docs, but i missed that |
| 01:35.29 | kal | thanks for the help though everyone here |
| 01:35.50 | ChibaPet | Enjoy. |
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| 01:48.29 | julius_ | hi |
| 01:49.29 | julius_ | ive installed roundcube but aborted the installation after it was asking for a password for its mysql account, but when i now run dpkg-reconfigure roundcube nothing happens? |
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| 01:50.53 | gnarface | julius_: you could try to dpkg --purge it then re-install it. maybe the installation configuration isn't tied to the reconfigure hook properly? (that's a common package bug, buti'm not familiar with roundcube, sorry) |
| 01:51.13 | gnarface | julius_: chances are though there is a configuration text file in /etc somewhere you can trivially edit by hand though |
| 01:51.49 | gnarface | julius_: or maybe its outsmarting you (mabye now that you have mysql installed its smart enough to use the built-in deb-sys-maint admin bot user?) |
| 01:52.07 | gnarface | julius_: sorry, like i said not familiar with roundcube. those are just guesses |
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| 01:52.42 | julius_ | ok, but shouldnt a --purge also remove /etc/roundcube just tried that and it didnt work |
| 01:53.13 | nsadmin | why didn't it work? did something put files there? |
| 01:53.25 | julius_ | no, just the install process |
| 01:53.28 | gnarface | julius_: --purge *should* remove all the installed config files yes, but it will probably leave behind anything manually or automatically created after-the-fact |
| 01:54.00 | nsadmin | what files are in there? |
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| 01:54.04 | gnarface | julius_: keep in mind that action is largely determined by the package itself, and dictated only by debian convention |
| 01:54.29 | gnarface | julius_: well its more than convention, its actual standards, but sometimes shit still slips through broken |
| 01:55.07 | julius_ | ok, this package is serious trouble |
| 01:55.51 | julius_ | why is it popping up on my wishlist now - me becoming the even nicer admin i am already and doing it by the book ;) |
| 01:56.47 | iateadonut | i've got a problem with setfacl - just can't figure it out. |
| 01:57.05 | iateadonut | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=4786201 |
| 01:57.17 | gnarface | julius_: wishlist? are you using some sort of GUI package manger front-end? |
| 01:57.56 | julius_ | no, the one in my mind |
| 01:58.14 | gnarface | ah |
| 01:58.22 | nsadmin | so the wishlist items appear as shamanistic messages... got it... |
| 01:58.30 | scri | apt is looking for http://ftp-nyc.osuosl.org/debian/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-i386/packages, which doesn't exist... |
| 01:58.37 | scri | i generated my sources.list with the online tool |
| 01:58.55 | gnarface | i get messages like that direct to my brain all the time too but they're usually not helpful messages like debian package suggestions |
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| 01:59.31 | nsadmin | julius_, could you run: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 01:59.38 | nsadmin | and pastebin that |
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| 02:13.13 | scri | how do make a sources.list that works? |
| 02:13.33 | ManoftheSea | I want to use my phone (n900) to connect my computer to internet, via DUN. It used to work, I reinstalled the computer (Wheezy), now it times out trying to get the configuration. |
| 02:13.57 | ManoftheSea | I'm running a stripped down system. Would anyone know if I'm missing a package for Network Manager to do DUN? |
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| 02:14.49 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: I use wvdial - dead easy |
| 02:15.16 | ManoftheSea | I don't think that's network manager, though. |
| 02:15.18 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: I also have a skinny system and use cl a fair amount |
| 02:15.21 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: it has been my experience that the bluetooth stack in wheezy and sid has been broken for the past 2 years. it appears to work but transmits garbage down the line. |
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| 02:15.38 | ManoftheSea | I used to just be able to click click the NM icon, and connect, no problem. |
| 02:15.38 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: it's not -- I don't have network manager -- too heavy |
| 02:15.40 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: try in squeeze with identical config - i bet it will work |
| 02:15.52 | ManoftheSea | Then I reinstalled and turned off "install recommended by default" |
| 02:16.04 | ManoftheSea | gnarface: nah, I don't need it that bad. |
| 02:16.14 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: "stripped down systems" are ot for click click really ;) |
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| 02:16.25 | ManoftheSea | I really think it's a missing permission or package, not a broken one. |
| 02:16.34 | scri | is there a reliable way to generate a sources.list for wheezy that _works_? |
| 02:16.51 | jpinx | !apt-spy |
| 02:16.51 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 02:17.00 | jpinx | scri: ^^^ |
| 02:17.16 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: aptitude reinstall it |
| 02:17.31 | scri | thanks |
| 02:17.52 | jpinx | scri: yw :) |
| 02:17.54 | ManoftheSea | jpinx: reinstall what? bluez? |
| 02:18.35 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: whatever it is that you think is broken ;) |
| 02:18.49 | jpinx | it should sort out permissins etc |
| 02:18.51 | ManoftheSea | jpinx: I was saying, I don't think it's broken, I think it's missing. |
| 02:19.09 | ManoftheSea | a permission problem would be if my user needed to be in a group, like dip, dialout, or bluetooth. |
| 02:19.14 | ManoftheSea | (I am in all of those) |
| 02:19.15 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: look at the dependencisies and recommends then |
| 02:19.29 | ManoftheSea | I have looked for bluez, network-manager |
| 02:20.05 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: i'm almost certain its something broken at a driver level. i can't even obexftp except on squeeze. |
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| 02:20.41 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: what documentation did you use to set up the reverse-DUN? i have been trying to figure that trick out for a while cause its supposed to be easier than PPP (which i can't really figure out either) |
| 02:21.16 | ManoftheSea | I am able to "browse" and "send" with the phone. Just no DUN via NM |
| 02:21.30 | ManoftheSea | gnarface: reverse-dun? I'm not familiar with the term. |
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| 02:22.41 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: maybe i misunderstood the problem. you're not trying to tunnel network traffic from your n900 to your lan through your desktop using a direct point-to-point bluetooth connection? |
| 02:22.54 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: the n900 is what I use too |
| 02:23.03 | ManoftheSea | gnarface: no, and that'd be PAN, not DUN. |
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| 02:23.10 | ManoftheSea | I want to use the n900 as the modem. |
| 02:23.20 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: ah! that would explain why i don't know wtf i'm doing. |
| 02:23.59 | ManoftheSea | gnarface: you set up the PAN with the phone, then I think you can bridge or route from the desktop. |
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| 02:24.21 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: yea that's the general idea i just couldn't get it to work but i should try again on squeeze... |
| 02:24.46 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: i'd been trying PPP too, which is what people USED to use, but the documentation hadn't been updated in even longer so... |
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| 02:25.07 | jpinx | wvdial was a sinch to setup and "just works" (tm) |
| 02:25.17 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: the DUN thing did actually work for me a long time ago but that may have been back during like... etch. i haven't tried since my phone company started charging 50$/month for the privilege |
| 02:25.27 | ManoftheSea | gnarface, jpinx and that's what I'd seen before with NM |
| 02:25.44 | ManoftheSea | gnarface: T-Mobile doesn't even bother to know what the device is. |
| 02:26.14 | ManoftheSea | hmm... sdptool can see the dialup networking service. |
| 02:26.23 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: you're certain your cellphone company hasn't also remotely disabled this capability? |
| 02:26.25 | jpinx | has a shell script to do the usb network and fire up wvdial -- it's automagic :) |
| 02:26.36 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: its possible they're blocking you at the network end |
| 02:26.51 | ManoftheSea | remotely disabled? I haven't changed anything in the last month |
| 02:26.59 | ManoftheSea | My HDD died, so I had to reinstall. |
| 02:27.14 | ManoftheSea | hmm, guess I'll pick up tomorrow. |
| 02:27.20 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: you might have to pay your cell company an extra 20-50$/month for tethering, even if its just to your LAN. that's all i'm saying. are you? |
| 02:27.20 | ManoftheSea | gotta sleep now. |
| 02:27.26 | ManoftheSea | I haven't in the past. |
| 02:27.38 | ManoftheSea | again, the change was my reinstall on the laptop. |
| 02:27.42 | gnarface | ManoftheSea: they have been all changing to more strict billing lately |
| 02:27.45 | ManoftheSea | The same phone, same cell service. |
| 02:27.55 | ManoftheSea | gnarface: I've seen the opposite. |
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| 02:28.03 | ManoftheSea | but, goodnight for now. |
| 02:28.09 | gnarface | peace |
| 02:29.20 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: I proesume you tried connection from the phone direct, not over the usb network from your laptop ? |
| 02:29.32 | jpinx | ManoftheSea: ok - hope you sort it tomorrow |
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| 02:36.32 | mischief | anyone have an idea why i cant put grub on my flash drive? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ae15f08e/ |
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| 02:37.42 | gnarface | mischief: just guessing but uh... maybe cause its not there? |
| 02:37.52 | jagginess | mischief, says on line 2 |
| 02:40.12 | mischief | i dont know what that means |
| 02:40.59 | mischief | /dev/mapper/debian-deb1 is my lvm volume and /dev/sdb is my flash drive, they both exist |
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| 02:52.01 | scri | jpinx: apt-spy segfaulted at first, now just returns with an error |
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| 02:55.07 | mv | hey folks anyone familiar with usermod on the command line |
| 02:56.59 | scri | yes, don't do usermod -G to add groups |
| 02:57.09 | scri | do usermod -a -G |
| 02:57.43 | scri | dpkg: tell Guest73505 about man |
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| 02:58.03 | Guest73505 | scri: well the last usermod I did was usermod -a -G adm <user> |
| 02:58.09 | Guest73505 | user being my username |
| 02:58.33 | Guest73505 | and now after I shutdown and restarted gdm3 won't let me login in |
| 02:58.35 | boudiccas | where does reportbug store its copy of an email that it sent too report abug in a packake on wheezy please? |
| 02:58.52 | boudiccas | package |
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| 02:59.48 | un214 | is there a GLX X extension that only uses CPU? Google returns no sane results |
| 02:59.57 | Guest73505 | scri: I read through the man page but I am unsure ho do undo what I did |
| 03:00.17 | Guest73505 | /ho/how do/to |
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| 03:00.59 | Guest73505 | may have just figured it out by editing /etc/group |
| 03:01.22 | Guest73505 | reboots to see |
| 03:03.38 | un214 | I've found actual references to a vesa-glx but can't find the driver |
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| 03:07.49 | mv` | scri: i am back but I did not succeed |
| 03:07.50 | scri | seems pretty dead in here... |
| 03:08.25 | scri | mv`: what groups are you in? |
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| 03:10.51 | boudiccas | scri: thats because its the middle of the night here in the UK and Europe, most folk are asleepo in bed |
| 03:11.00 | mv` | scri: root, adm, voice, cdrom, floppy, sudo, audio, dip, www-data, video, plugdev, bluetooth, netdev, scanner, debian-tor, |
| 03:11.12 | mv` | is awake in mexico city |
| 03:11.25 | daniel-s_ | is awake in Australia |
| 03:11.27 | daniel-s_ | :-) |
| 03:11.48 | boudiccas | you're both foreigners! :) |
| 03:11.58 | scri | aren't we all |
| 03:11.59 | un214 | wow swrast conflicts with nvidia |
| 03:12.08 | mischief | !grub usb |
| 03:12.45 | boudiccas | mischief: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:12.56 | jagginess | mischief, grub2 does usb |
| 03:13.03 | jpinx | scri: dunno about your apt-spy problem - try re-installing it |
| 03:13.25 | mischief | boudiccas: jagginess: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/ae15f08e/ |
| 03:13.28 | scri | ok here's sources.list http://paste.debian.net/191779/ and here's the error from apt-get update http://paste.debian.net/191780/ |
| 03:13.42 | mischief | grub-probe fails when reading my lvm volume |
| 03:13.48 | mischief | but im trying to put grub2 on my flash drive |
| 03:14.04 | scri | same thing happened with the one i generated from http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 03:14.06 | mischief | this is really stupid imo - why is grub2 scanning my lvm volumes when i told it to go on my flash drive |
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| 03:14.54 | scri | is testing supposed to be _that_ broken, that i can't even get a fucking repository to sync with? |
| 03:15.03 | scri | or does it have nothing to do with that? |
| 03:15.17 | scri | goddamn it this is so easy under Arch |
| 03:15.21 | mv` | scri: I haven't had problem. but I also can't load those pages |
| 03:16.30 | scri | why not |
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| 03:17.42 | gnarface | scri: i suspect you're searching for valid repos in the wrong place. use one on this list: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 03:18.19 | gnarface | scri: in general consider all 3rd party documentation to be suspect by default |
| 03:18.42 | jpinx | sronly use debian.org - the rest is very suspect |
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| 03:18.50 | jpinx | scri: ^^ |
| 03:19.37 | gnarface | mischief: are you sure /dev/sdb is actually your flash drive? you confirmed this via dmesg when you plugged it in? have you run fdisk -l as root? |
| 03:21.04 | scri | gnarface: ok, how do i use that? |
| 03:21.19 | jpinx | !tell mischief about usb boot |
| 03:21.28 | jpinx | that might give you some clues too |
| 03:21.34 | scri | the mirrors i'm using are debian.org: http://paste.debian.net/191779/ |
| 03:21.42 | mischief | gnarface: yea |
| 03:22.20 | mischief | another q - if i am on a new lenovo laptop with UEFI, should i be using grub-amd64-efi-bin? |
| 03:22.32 | gnarface | scri: do you get that i don't give a rat's ass what mirrors you're using? do you understand that if your mirror isn't one of these (http://mirror.debian.org/status.html) its fucking bogus? |
| 03:23.16 | gnarface | mischief: eek. sorry i don't know anything about UEFI |
| 03:23.21 | mischief | i actually want to boot multiple isos from my flash drive which dpkg's usb boot message has no info about |
| 03:23.26 | mv` | hates to prod |
| 03:24.05 | mv` | any ideas on where to start on why gdm3 won't let me login in but I can with the same credentials from ctrl alt F1? |
| 03:24.10 | jpinx | mischief: I suggest you take some time to learn about multi-booting and usb booting |
| 03:24.21 | gnarface | mischief: if you discover the answer i would be interested to find out |
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| 03:24.27 | scri | gnarface: my mirrors _are_ on that list. i've tried a few |
| 03:24.49 | scri | some of the update succeeds, but it ends with a 404 error |
| 03:24.58 | scri | i guess that maybe doesn't matter? |
| 03:25.12 | jpinx | scri: are you on a good connection ? |
| 03:25.58 | scri | jpinx: yes, and the page apt looks for does not exist |
| 03:26.00 | gnarface | scri: you should not get 404s, but i have never seen testing-proposed-updates are you sure it exists? also fyi security is empty on wheezy so that's pointless.... |
| 03:26.18 | scri | http://debian.corenetworks.net/debian/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 03:26.35 | jpinx | scri: you really need to read up about sources.list and hw it works |
| 03:26.35 | mischief | jpinx: i know plenty about it. i have written a multiboot compliant kernel before. it is simply that this feature of grub is obscure, and i am amazed that grub2 is so much more complicated than grub1. :( |
| 03:26.37 | gnarface | scri: you're advised also to not call it "testing" you're advised to call them by name |
| 03:26.58 | jpinx | scri: only se debian.org for information -- you've been told this already |
| 03:27.10 | gnarface | scri: ^^^ |
| 03:27.16 | jpinx | mischief: welcome to grub2 ;) |
| 03:27.30 | mischief | :'< |
| 03:27.53 | scri | testing-proposed-updates exists, i'm browsing it right now |
| 03:28.11 | jpinx | scri: that's not a debian source |
| 03:28.45 | jpinx | scri: is using some non-official source.... |
| 03:29.17 | scri | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy-proposed-updates/ |
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| 03:31.33 | jpinx | ok - my bad - never seen that before - but your sources.list needs to be from ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/ |
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| 03:31.52 | Some_Person | How do I add google's apt repository? |
| 03:32.02 | Some_Person | I don't have a browser installed and want to get Chrome |
| 03:33.10 | z_marco | doesn't see google in http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 03:33.44 | boudiccas | deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ testing main |
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| 03:35.03 | scri | Some_Person: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ |
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| 03:35.24 | boudiccas | Some_Person: deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ testing main |
| 03:35.37 | scri | boudiccas: that's a 404 for me |
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| 03:36.31 | boudiccas | scri: well its working for me on this wheezy box, whereas the link that you posted for wheezy-proposed-updates isnt working for me! |
| 03:36.41 | Some_Person | boudiccas: thank you. didn't work with testing, but worked when I put in stable instead |
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| 03:37.03 | scri | nothing makes sense anymore :P |
| 03:37.04 | boudiccas | Some_Person: you're welcome |
| 03:37.18 | gnarface | there's not a package for chrome in non-free? |
| 03:37.32 | boudiccas | ,v chrome |
| 03:37.33 | judd | No package named 'chrome' was found in i386. |
| 03:37.51 | gnarface | huh |
| 03:37.59 | gnarface | oh i guess there isn't for opera either |
| 03:38.04 | boudiccas | ,v google-chrome |
| 03:38.05 | judd | No package named 'google-chrome' was found in i386. |
| 03:38.18 | Some_Person | there's a lot of stuff I wish debian had in its repos |
| 03:38.24 | gnarface | but the opera package adds its own entry to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ so you don't need to know the name of the repo |
| 03:38.40 | gnarface | certainly the chrome one would do the same, since the google-talk iceweasel plugin does? |
| 03:38.50 | boudiccas | gnarfoperas is here -- deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free |
| 03:38.50 | Some_Person | not helpful if you're running without a browser to begin with though |
| 03:39.03 | LtL | , chromium |
| 03:39.11 | LtL | , chromium-browser |
| 03:39.14 | gnarface | Some_Person: oh. not even lynx? |
| 03:39.16 | LtL | hrm |
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| 03:39.20 | Some_Person | chromium sucks -- no PDF reader, so no print preview |
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| 03:39.34 | LtL | ,v chromium |
| 03:39.35 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- lenny: 0.9.13.2-1; squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; sid: 21.0.1180.89~r154005-1; wheezy: 21.0.1180.89~r154005-1 |
| 03:39.56 | Some_Person | (not sure why print preview would be dependent on the pdf reader, but it is) |
| 03:40.42 | mv` | is sudo nano /etc/group a recommended method to remove a user from a group? |
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| 03:45.02 | z_marco | mv: it is possible to just sudo nano or sudo vi /etc/group. Personally I believe a correct way is to first id the user, then use usermod. With usermod make sure to use -g for his primary group, and proceed with the rest of their secondary gids. |
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| 03:46.34 | z_marco | mv: id <user> then usermod -g <number_of_primary_group> -G <rest_of_the_secondary_gid's> |
| 03:46.50 | z_marco | then again, there is so many roads to Rome. |
| 03:47.09 | mv` | z_marco: that is helpful let me try it |
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| 03:47.45 | mv` | z_marco: actually if the only usermod I did was to add to adm how do I remove the user from adm with usermod? |
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| 03:49.00 | z_marco | mv: I recommend to first create a test user account and give it a try. Good exercise for the command line. hehehe |
| 03:49.37 | mv` | z_marco: that it is and I love learning command line, but that leads me to ask how do I create a test user? |
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| 03:51.28 | mv` | would search for this online if he knew how to browse the web in emacs |
| 03:51.40 | z_marco | mv: useradd <enter> and you will see the flags. I usually do something like useradd -d /path/to/homedir -g <primary_group> -G <rest_of_the_gids> -c "Name" <userid>; passwd <userid> |
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| 03:54.49 | jpinx | mv`: use adduser |
| 03:54.53 | mv` | z_marco: what is the primary group of a regular install? as well as rest of the gids? |
| 03:55.20 | jpinx | mv`: adduser USER GROUP Add an existing user to an existing group |
| 03:55.38 | jpinx | mv`: man adduser - it's all in there - very simple |
| 03:55.55 | mv` | jpinx: but what would the default usergroup be? |
| 03:56.17 | jpinx | mv`: depends on which user ;) |
| 03:56.38 | mv` | jpinx: how about a regular user :) |
| 03:56.56 | z_marco | mv: for a desktop debian install; the primary group is usually the same number as the userid. For professional server environments the primary groups are configured according to their role i.e. oracle sysadmin etc. |
| 03:57.02 | jpinx | mv`: the install process asks you to create a user and it is added to a group of the same name |
| 03:57.14 | mv` | ahh |
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| 03:58.12 | jpinx | mv`: you can adduser <user> <whatever groups you want> later ;) |
| 03:58.40 | z_marco | which is funny because the Red Hat it's quite strict that a user is not a group. And in theory I'm not allowed to say this, but it makes more sense. |
| 03:58.55 | jpinx | ;) |
| 03:59.52 | jpinx | z_marco: I daresay you could do it redhat's way if you wanted to - but it'd be a pita ;) |
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| 04:00.30 | mv` | jpinx and z_marco ok the new test user is created |
| 04:00.53 | mv` | I have to reboot to test this cause for some reason ctrl-alt F7 shows a blank screen |
| 04:01.08 | mv` | I'll be back in either case...thanks so far for the assistence |
| 04:01.14 | z_marco | jpinx: for my laptop or desktop I don't really mind. For a professional environment, both testing and production servers, it's quite a different approach. :-) |
| 04:01.15 | ski | mv` : maybe a different VTY ? |
| 04:01.25 | mv` | VTY? |
| 04:02.23 | mv` | ski i'll see if gdm3 works in this case of the test account if so then I have an idea of the problem |
| 04:02.29 | mv` | hits reboot |
| 04:03.10 | z_marco | I always get scared when newbies issues a reboot command. lol |
| 04:03.32 | z_marco | it's almost like babies swimming alone in the pool. lmao |
| 04:04.29 | boudiccas | phew! 44 updates in wheezy this morning! |
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| 04:06.03 | Guest53515 | jpinx and z_marco so the new user exists on the gdm3 login but also it flashes back to the gdm3 login in screen not letting me login |
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| 04:06.42 | ski | Guest53515 : sorry, "VT", <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_console> |
| 04:06.45 | z_marco | Guest53515: can you login with the root account? |
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| 04:06.57 | Guest53515 | z_marco: no I tried that too |
| 04:07.13 | Guest53515 | z_marco: might it be a gdm config issue? |
| 04:08.04 | ski | idly wonders whether logging in in a textual VT does work |
| 04:08.36 | mv_ | ski: I am currently in a vitual console now |
| 04:09.06 | mv_ | in the sense that when the gdm3 doesn't let me login I then hit ctrl - alt F1 and login successfully from there |
| 04:10.16 | jpinx | mv_: reconfigure gdm I reckon -- but don't ask me how ;) |
| 04:10.26 | ski | i assume the home directory of the user doesn't contain old file which might be picked up by gdm .. |
| 04:10.36 | z_marco | Guest53515: the only way out that I can think of is booting into single-user-mode. Onboot, select the second option recovery mode and press "e" to edit. Scroll down with the arrow keys to where you see "Single" and next to it type init=/bin/bash the press <ctrl><X> to boot into a root shell and change the password with "passwd". Then reboot and try again. |
| 04:10.50 | ski | i would probably try a `startx' at this point |
| 04:12.43 | mv_ | ski: startx fails to load |
| 04:12.54 | z_marco | I agree ski. |
| 04:13.15 | z_marco | I thought mv could not logon at all. |
| 04:14.10 | mv_ | do either of you know where the gdm3 config files are? |
| 04:14.51 | z_marco | mv: sorry, I generally try to avoid gdm and kde. |
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| 04:17.34 | ski | mv_ : .. is there any error message which might give a clue for the reason ? |
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| 04:18.00 | ski | what if you try `startx -- :1.0' ? |
| 04:18.45 | jpinx | mv_: check your logs |
| 04:19.45 | mv_ | jpinx: sorry to be a newbie on this but how do I check the logs |
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| 04:20.56 | mv_ | hold on looking through /var/logs |
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| 04:21.54 | ^Shad0w^ | which of the dvd's contain compiler tools ? |
| 04:23.05 | ^Shad0w^ | hmm |
| 04:23.09 | mv_ | jpinx: this might be x failing |
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| 04:23.24 | zmisc | build-essential? |
| 04:23.44 | ^Shad0w^ | zmisc: I guess... |
| 04:23.54 | ^Shad0w^ | zmisc: so not dvd1 right |
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| 04:25.53 | zmisc | I usually do a net install, but I believe there is a way to assemble an ISO with the packages you would like. |
| 04:26.38 | ^Shad0w^ | zmisc: well the problem is that the network driver is flakey so i'm trying to compile the one from www.realtek.com.tw |
| 04:26.57 | mv_ | ski jpinx z_marco so the error is xinit fails to connect to xorg-server |
| 04:27.20 | ^Shad0w^ | zmisc: unfortunatly the bittorrent dvd1 didnt install any compiler tools |
| 04:29.51 | zmisc | Is there a list of packages included in each ISO image somewhere along with the images on the FTP site? |
| 04:30.32 | ^Shad0w^ | zmisc: I wish |
| 04:31.32 | zmisc | I am on my mobile right now al I might not be too much of a help right now. |
| 04:32.12 | z_marco | mv: does the error message say: xinit fails to connect to xorg-server |
| 04:32.26 | mv_ | z_marco: yep |
| 04:32.44 | mv_ | z_marco: wait no |
| 04:32.49 | mv_ | only the connection is lost |
| 04:32.55 | z_marco | mv: more specifically, does it say xinit fails to connect to xorg-server |
| 04:33.12 | z_marco | connection is lost? |
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| 04:33.46 | mv_ | z_marco: I'll try to relay the message here give me a second |
| 04:33.56 | z_marco | mv: it doesn't say xinit failed /usr/bin/xorg is not setuid? |
| 04:34.10 | mv_ | z_marco: no it does not |
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| 04:35.16 | z_marco | mv: can you post the log in paste.debian.net and provide the URL in here? |
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| 04:35.45 | mv_ | z_marco: I would love to but I don't now how to load websites from shell or emacs |
| 04:35.57 | mv_ | now/know |
| 04:37.51 | z_marco | mv: there is a way, but I'm afraid that tutorial would be quite lengthy. Give me a moment.. |
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| 04:38.21 | zmisc | links2/elinks are decent |
| 04:38.33 | z_marco | mv: which version of Debian do you have? |
| 04:38.44 | mv_ | z_marco: debian testing |
| 04:39.06 | z_marco | zmisc: Yes, agreed. Now I'm trying to avoid a lengthy tutorial on how to use links or elinks. |
| 04:39.39 | zmisc | True |
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| 04:42.14 | z_marco | mv: when you see the blank screen, does your mouse work at all? |
| 04:42.26 | ski | mv_ : fwiw, i use `w3m' |
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| 04:42.47 | mv_ | z_marco: i have a cursor that when I hit enter i goes down the screen |
| 04:42.52 | mv_ | but that is all |
| 04:43.43 | ski | mv_ : in `w3m', you can navigate around a web page using the usual cursor keys. if you press `RET' when on a link, you follow the link. `B' goes backward |
| 04:43.53 | mv_ | ski cool |
| 04:43.59 | mv_ | i have it open now |
| 04:44.08 | zmisc | ski forgot about w3m |
| 04:44.19 | ski | `C-u' will open a prompt where you can type an URL |
| 04:44.49 | ski | (you can also type the URL after `w3m', when invoking it) |
| 04:44.53 | ski | `q' quits |
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| 04:46.29 | mv_ | ski now I am just trying to copy the log file and paste it into w3m |
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| 04:47.44 | ski | well, you can use `w3m' to view a file, sure |
| 04:47.52 | ski | but i'd probably use `less' for that |
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| 04:48.24 | ski | hm -- oh, you mean you want to copy it into a text box on some paste site ? |
| 04:48.34 | mv_ | ski: yep |
| 04:48.53 | mv_ | apparently copying in emacs won't let me past into w3m |
| 04:49.09 | zmisc | why have less when you can have more! lol |
| 04:49.26 | simonlnu | Q quite without asking you if you wanna quit |
| 04:49.31 | simonlnu | quits* |
| 04:49.35 | ski | mv_ : well, try this : type `o' to go into the options screen |
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| 04:50.32 | ski | mv_ : then under "External Program Settings", you can set the "Editor" field to "/usr/bin/emacs -nw" (or wherever your emacs is) |
| 04:51.00 | ski | (and press the `[Ok]' button to confirm the options change) |
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| 04:51.35 | ski | then, when you press return on a text box, it should invoke emacs on it, so you could insert the file normally then. end emacs with `C-x #' |
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| 04:52.09 | pfc | Hey, anyone know why ai32-libs has been uninstallable in sid for a couple months? |
| 04:52.19 | zmisc | Once I made dinner with emacs. |
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| 04:53.21 | pfc | I meant to say ia32-libs uninstallable on 64bit sid... and any way around this? |
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| 04:54.06 | mv_ | ski: I am trying it won't let me change it keeps going back to sensible-editor |
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| 04:55.11 | ski | mv_ : hm, if you press return after you've edited the field, it should change the value |
| 04:55.32 | ski | mv_ : btw, which editor does `sensible-editor' start ? Nano ? |
| 04:55.45 | mv_ | ski: yeah nano |
| 04:56.02 | mv_ | which if I could figure out how to copy I'd be set I think |
| 04:56.21 | ski | apparently `C-r' to insert a file in Nano |
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| 05:00.02 | mv_ | ski: I got it let me send it and then copy the link here |
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| 05:01.05 | mv_ | ski z_marco http://paste.debian.net/191789 |
| 05:01.17 | mv_ | ski: thanks for being patient with me on that |
| 05:01.44 | ski | mv_ : btw, one can set things up so that `w3m' will connect to an existing Emacs session, instead of making a new one (so that one can copy from other open buffers in that session, e.g.) |
| 05:01.52 | Some_Person | Having trouble with network manager -- "device not ready" on my wifi |
| 05:02.36 | mv_ | ski lets do that on a different day :) i love emacs but still learning it |
| 05:03.26 | ski | (yeah, i figured this was probably not the right time to fiddle with that :) |
| 05:04.42 | ski | as for the log itself, i'm afraid i can't help much here (i see no errors, and only a few warnings which i suspect are not relevant) |
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| 05:05.54 | mv_ | ski hmm crap...I am at a loss of where do go from here |
| 05:07.00 | mv_ | ski well I am now at least able to search this on the web |
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| 05:08.56 | ski | mv_ : .. btw, if you like doing things in a terminal, i can recommend trying GNU Screen there |
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| 05:10.01 | mv_ | ski: GNU screen as in like when one is ssh'd into a server |
| 05:10.02 | mv_ | ? |
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| 05:10.14 | ski | e.g. yes |
| 05:10.54 | mv_ | ski: I am familiar with that :) |
| 05:11.00 | mv_ | i love screen |
| 05:11.25 | ski | runs most of his processes inside a GNU Screen session, so can connect to it and check them from anywhere |
| 05:11.59 | mv_ | ski I am higly thinking about installing a new display manager and using openbox |
| 05:12.08 | ski | (an alternative to inserting file might have been to copy it using GNU Screen) |
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| 05:17.03 | mv_ | z_marco: are you still around? |
| 05:17.26 | mv_ | ski: I am wondering if it is work uninstalling gdm3 and replacing it with xdm or something |
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| 05:19.08 | mv_ | ski: will you be on for a bit? |
| 05:20.58 | mv_ | ski I am going to reboot and see if xdm does anything different |
| 05:21.11 | mv_ | logs out |
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| 05:27.18 | mv_ | ski: no luck :( |
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| 05:29.52 | Diopter | Does the Wheezy installer support EFI booting yet? |
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| 05:30.50 | Diopter | The netinst doesn't have an EFI directory, so it looks like a no. |
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| 05:31.47 | baronobeefdip | I just built a debian cluster and I want to test it to see if it works, how do i test the cluster to see that it is working like a true cluster |
| 05:32.40 | Diopter | baronobeefdip: Uh... what do you mean by 'cluster'? |
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| 05:33.08 | baronobeefdip | beowulf cluster where all of the nodes are communicating with a message passing interface, openmpi |
| 05:33.21 | baronobeefdip | in order to process jobs sibmitted from the server |
| 05:33.33 | baronobeefdip | i want a way to test the system to see if it works |
| 05:33.34 | Diopter | Ah, well. Sounds like you'll need to code something that uses MPI. |
| 05:33.42 | Diopter | Or install a piece of software |
| 05:33.54 | baronobeefdip | like what |
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| 05:35.05 | Diopter | baronobeefdip: Don't know, I don't use MPI or Beowulf. But I know the general idea of MPI; presumably there's some easy software you can throw on to test. |
| 05:35.22 | Diopter | http://www.open-mpi.org/projects/mtt/ like this |
| 05:35.48 | baronobeefdip | I am wanting to use the cluster to run Xdmx so that the displays on the monitors i am projeting pictures to will run smoother than they were running without the mpi installed |
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| 05:36.04 | baronobeefdip | do you know of any software i can use to test it |
| 05:36.11 | Diopter | Um. Ok. Are you sure Xdmx supports clustering through MPI? |
| 05:36.51 | baronobeefdip | it did so on rocks (unless it's just an Xdmx daemon running without the assistance of the MPI) |
| 05:36.59 | Diopter | Ok then |
| 05:38.29 | ski | mv :( |
| 05:38.45 | baronobeefdip | is it possible to use mpi to run something like Xdmx |
| 05:39.07 | ski | isn't sure what "openbox" is |
| 05:39.21 | mv_ | ski: it is a windows manager |
| 05:39.49 | mv_ | ski I am currently backing up my files on to an external my next step is complete install probably crunchbang |
| 05:40.31 | mv_ | ski: unless I can figure this out |
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| 05:41.13 | baronobeefdip | I want to know if the Xdmx program being ran on ROCKS clusters was truly sharing the system resources to run the program, because i was able to achieve the same stuff on just a regular network of red hat machines that weren't clustered together |
| 05:41.13 | baronobeefdip | but making it from is one thing, using ROCKS is another. I am wondering if Xdmx can be used with MPI |
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| 05:47.02 | simonlnu | baronobeefdip: ask #xorg maybe? |
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| 05:48.28 | Some_Person | Why does my system boot to tty1 instead of loading slim? |
| 05:49.43 | simonlnu | check the xorg log |
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| 05:50.09 | simonlnu | it "boots to tty1" regardless |
| 05:50.20 | mischief | sighs |
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| 05:50.55 | Some_Person | Yeah, but it should load slim, and there's nothing wrong with slim or X as far as I can tell ("sudo slim" and "/etc/init.d/slim start" both work) |
| 05:50.58 | mischief | debian wheezy 32 bit worked great out of the box. i installed debian testing am64 netinst without X or any wm/de, and now i can't get my tablet inout working.... |
| 05:51.02 | mischief | s/inout/input/ |
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| 05:51.29 | cihhan | Hi all! Somehow my /boot is not mounted, it seems to be busy when I try to mount it manually. Any help? |
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| 05:51.57 | cihhan | I think one of my friends was trying to learn Linux and messed up the system a bit :( |
| 05:53.06 | baronobeefdip | does anyone know how to run Xdmx in OpenMPI |
| 05:53.42 | bullgard4 | cihhan: I think you need a life CD to investigate your problem. May be you can boot into rescue mode and investigate there. But I doubt that this will be possible. |
| 05:54.13 | cihhan | bullgard4: so you recommend me to reinstall the system? |
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| 05:54.39 | bullgard4 | cihhan: No. |
| 05:54.54 | bullgard4 | cihhan: Just to fix it. |
| 05:55.09 | cihhan | Hmm |
| 05:55.11 | cihhan | OK |
| 05:55.23 | cihhan | How I can check it? |
| 05:55.33 | cihhan | meaning investigate |
| 05:55.35 | simonlnu | it may work, but it's not, really, i suspect. read the log ;) |
| 05:55.40 | simonlnu | Some_Person: ^^ |
| 05:56.06 | bullgard4 | cihhan: I told you: Use a live CD and investigate your installed system which is on your hard disk. |
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| 05:59.18 | cihhan | bullgard4: Thanks, I will try that way then |
| 05:59.33 | Some_Person | simonlnu: you were right |
| 05:59.35 | Some_Person | Failed to become DRM master |
| 06:00.00 | simonlnu | kms not loading or something? |
| 06:00.08 | simonlnu | s/loading/starting/ |
| 06:00.33 | Some_Person | No, I think the problem has to do with X trying to start too early (while plymouth is still running) |
| 06:01.21 | simonlnu | ah yeh. someone had an issue with plymouth a few weeks ago |
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| 06:02.45 | Some_Person | so what can I do about this (other than remove plymouth)? |
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| 06:03.50 | simonlnu | i heard one solution was rebuilding the initrd, but i don't have much clue about that. maybe it has some tweak in its config? |
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| 06:04.37 | simonlnu | i don't have clue, as in i don't know if it'll help to fix it |
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| 06:06.06 | Some_Person | ok, well thanks for trying anyway |
| 06:07.50 | simonlnu | good luck |
| 06:08.35 | simonlnu | oh, the plymouth config. (i thought i said that, meant to) |
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| 06:40.09 | hagbard_celine | morning |
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| 06:43.33 | hagbard_celine | I have a problem when using alpine in my smtp settings. wenn I put in my username like "doej" in the user var I get something like Mail not sent Sender address rejected: Domain not found. If I put in "jd@example.com" in the user var I can't connect to the server because "jd@example.com" is not the valid username. Anybody has any idea? |
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| 06:54.13 | jonesst1 | example.com doesnt exist so the mta is rejecting it |
| 06:54.20 | jonesst1 | is my best guess |
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| 06:57.43 | hagbard_celine | jonesst1: I use smtp authentication. there is no mta on the computer where the client runs. and the mta requires "doej" as username |
| 06:58.43 | hagbard_celine | the mta on the remote machine |
| 06:58.44 | coelebs | good morning |
| 06:58.49 | hagbard_celine | morning |
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| 07:00.41 | beboj | hey gyus, you know maybe how to setserial , wvdial can't find my internal gsm card http://pastebin.com/tnru54NS |
| 07:01.17 | jonesst1 | you sre getting domain not found thats usually because there is no DNS entry |
| 07:01.49 | jonesst1 | what client are you using? |
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| 07:04.24 | hagbard_celine | alpine |
| 07:05.01 | hagbard_celine | usualy it use a mta, but the mta on the machine could not be used |
| 07:05.12 | hagbard_celine | so an smtp authentication is required |
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| 07:05.39 | coelebs | i tried installing nvidia drivers with this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 07:05.48 | jonesst1 | so the remote machine has your account? |
| 07:05.49 | coelebs | but it fails to load driver |
| 07:06.09 | jonesst1 | it masybe the machine you are on isnt in DNS |
| 07:07.35 | coelebs | here is Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/CKtZ88L3 |
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| 07:08.08 | hagbard_celine | form other email clients like thunderbird is works nice. so it isn't a dns problem |
| 07:08.21 | hagbard_celine | it's just an configuration issue |
| 07:10.05 | hagbard_celine | so I think it will fix this issue if I could set a from address in a composing mail |
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| 07:10.39 | jonesst1 | hmmm |
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| 07:13.34 | hagbard_celine | currently the configuration string is mai.example.com/novalidate-cert/user=doej/ssl bit it should be something like this mai.example.com/novalidate-cert/user=doej/mail=jd@example.com/ssl |
| 07:13.44 | hagbard_celine | bit/but |
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| 07:15.42 | hagbard_celine | I get it work |
| 07:16.46 | hagbard_celine | there is a setting likr User Domain set it to example.com and the example.com will be attached to the username |
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| 07:24.10 | jonesst1 | no idea sorry |
| 07:25.23 | hagbard_celine | no problem |
| 07:25.26 | hagbard_celine | thanks anyway |
| 07:25.28 | hagbard_celine | ;-) |
| 07:25.48 | jonesst1 | command line mail isnt something ive messed with |
| 07:26.24 | jonesst1 | have u troed googling? |
| 07:26.44 | jonesst1 | food time AKF |
| 07:26.47 | jonesst1 | AFK |
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| 07:31.19 | hagbard_celine | jonesst1: yes. But as I said I solved the issue. you can set a costum header in the configuration section of alpine. I've just added my own from header |
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| 07:36.39 | monogate | what's wrong with this vid? can't understand nothing :X http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Y94IeQ8gk&feature=g-all-u |
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| 07:57.39 | Devilholk | Hi |
| 07:58.13 | Devilholk | If I want to install debian on 9 computers at once, can I easely set up some cache or something to prevent downloading everything 9 times? (network install) |
| 07:58.52 | Sm0ke0ut | I don't it's worth to do so |
| 07:59.01 | Sm0ke0ut | +think |
| 07:59.04 | Devilholk | Ah ok |
| 07:59.20 | Devilholk | Well, if it was "very simple" it would be nice to the network |
| 07:59.39 | Sm0ke0ut | You can either host a full mirror or copy the files from the apt / cache folder |
| 07:59.50 | Sm0ke0ut | (not sure where located, but probably somewhere in /var/lib |
| 07:59.56 | Devilholk | Oh, well, that sounds complicated |
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| 08:00.19 | Devilholk | Would be nice to just ask a computer that would ask the external mirror and just locally cache stuff |
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| 08:03.18 | Adriaan | hi, I want some packages to be upgraded further than the version give by the package tree. Is there anyway other than going from squeeze to testing? |
| 08:03.33 | xand | Devilholk: there is apt-proxy |
| 08:03.36 | xand | IIRC |
| 08:04.46 | Devilholk | xand: Nice, found it on sf |
| 08:05.06 | xand | it;s in apt |
| 08:06.04 | xand | well, was. Devilholk, looks like apt-cacher may be the right thing to use now |
| 08:06.18 | Devilholk | "The main shortcoming with apt-proxy v1 was its speed. Because it was written as a shell script, it was not particularly fast. " Heh heh |
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| 08:07.45 | Devilholk | Interesting. Browser just dove when trying to read about apt-cacher |
| 08:07.58 | Devilholk | xand: Thanks, apt-cacher does indeed look like what I want |
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| 08:17.39 | drigolli2r | hi all |
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| 08:19.53 | guardian | hi does someone know whether netgear readynas that ship with etch can be upgraded to squeeze (or eventually wheezy)? |
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| 08:23.35 | jonesst1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:24.32 | guardian | well if I can eventually use it as a small server for experiments that's a plus. I'm balancing ditching a P4 box in favor of such a nas |
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| 08:25.16 | jonesst1 | i would assume its got little cpu and ram....I just built my own nas box on pc hardware |
| 08:25.29 | dwatkins | I built a NAS out of a netbook. |
| 08:25.30 | z_marco | guardian: That sounds like a question for netgear. They should be able to inform you of any firmware upgrades. |
| 08:26.06 | jonesst1 | silverstone gd7 htpc case |
| 08:26.08 | guardian | z_marco: indeed |
| 08:26.51 | jonesst1 | i might do that with my laptop as it has a e-sata port |
| 08:27.11 | jonesst1 | but i need a new laptop first :D |
| 08:27.23 | guardian | jonesst1: yeah used to do so, from old hardware. then wondered whether something designed to be a small nas box would consume less watts. anyways that's indeed off topic. just hoped someone here would know whether the distro is upgradable |
| 08:27.47 | jonesst1 | i aimed to minimalise watts |
| 08:27.55 | jonesst1 | i have not checked yet mind |
| 08:28.17 | jonesst1 | its running minecraft....so its a bit busier than it needs to be |
| 08:28.34 | jonesst1 | ;] |
| 08:28.37 | dwatkins | power usage was the reason I used my netbook, it's got an Atom CPU |
| 08:29.19 | jonesst1 | Yeah Im going to swap out for a very low power cpu when I get a second vmware box |
| 08:29.31 | z_marco | guardian: Those are two seperate questions. Yes, a Linux distro should be able to be upgraded, but the way a firmware is customized into a hardware appliance is very different to an OS that is installed in a laptop, server or a pc. |
| 08:29.35 | jonesst1 | quieter as well |
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| 08:31.33 | jonesst1 | i run vmware's esxi so i need decent disk i/o....so a netbook wouldnt do it and i want raid1 |
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| 08:32.38 | makoto | hey. I've got sound issues here. Sound seems to work fine in flash, but not in programs like VLC or Totem. Where should I start looking to fix it? |
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| 08:33.00 | z_marco | joesst1: small question. Does esxi support any 3D acceleration? Can you run compiz on your vm's? Just curious... |
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| 08:49.05 | martin_ | Hey guys, I'm installing Debian on my VM right now (just testing, before going into production). My setup has 2x 4GB drives (simulating pen drives that I want to boot from) and 2x 2TB drives (to store /, /home, etc.. They are all configured running in RAID1 and encrypted (md0_crypt & md1_crypt). However, I get an error saying that I can't put my /boot file system on an encrypted partition. Is there any downside to not encrypting the /boot |
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| 08:50.33 | ectospasm | martin_: not really, unless you consider kernel stuff to be all that sensitive |
| 08:51.12 | ectospasm | like you've got an initramfs file that has a driver you don't want anybody to know you have |
| 08:51.27 | ectospasm | ...but that feels like a stretch |
| 08:51.57 | ectospasm | but then again I've never understood the idea behind encrypting an entire block device |
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| 08:52.34 | martin_ | ectospasm: I'm just paranoid :) |
| 08:52.36 | ectospasm | is a heavy ecryptfs user, so I only encrypt one directory of /home/me |
| 08:52.48 | donttrustem | I am trying to install this lib and get the following problem dpkg i libltdl3-dev_1.5.26-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb dpkg: need an action option |
| 08:52.56 | donttrustem | with a list of options |
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| 08:53.09 | ectospasm | donttrustem: is -i not working for you? |
| 08:53.20 | donttrustem | ah ..:S |
| 08:53.22 | donttrustem | opps |
| 08:53.25 | donttrustem | crap |
| 08:53.32 | martin_ | ectospasm: Ok thanks for the info. How big should the boot part be? I would do 1MB for grub and probably 1GB for /boot, should be enough, right? |
| 08:53.33 | donttrustem | going blind |
| 08:53.42 | dwatkins | martin_: that sounds like an impressive configuration :) |
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| 08:54.06 | dwatkins | I have 43 MB in /boot ;) |
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| 08:54.19 | ectospasm | martin_: 1GB for boot should be plenty (as dwatkins says, probably overkill) |
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| 08:54.40 | babilen | donttrustem: And youn *really* shouldn't install Ubuntu packages on Debian. In particular ones that are as old (and probably deprecated/bug-ridden) such as that one. |
| 08:55.29 | martin_ | ectospasm: Well. I guess I could go for less, but since I won't need the pen drive for anything else, I could give it all the space anyway. Ok thanks again! |
| 08:55.30 | donttrustem | babilen: the problem is they are required for software I am installing |
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| 08:57.10 | babilen | donttrustem: It specifically needs the Ubuntu package? I doubt it! That software doesn't seem to be maintained very well and I would strongly recommend to run it in a lenny (/msg dpkg lenny) chroot or virtual machine. You shouldn't torture your real (Debian, right?) system like that as it might get angry and throw a tantrum. (i.e. refuse to work) |
| 08:57.21 | babilen | ,v libltdl3-dev --arch amd64 |
| 08:57.22 | judd | Package: libltdl3-dev on amd64 -- lenny: 1.5.26-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.5.26-4+lenny1 |
| 08:57.51 | babilen | ,v libltdl-dev |
| 08:57.52 | judd | Package: libltdl-dev on i386 -- lenny-backports: 2.2.6b-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.6b-2; sid: 2.4.2-1.1; wheezy: 2.4.2-1.1 |
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| 08:58.17 | babilen | donttrustem: The software should be upgraded and should be linked against ^^^ Which "software" is this anyway? |
| 08:58.48 | donttrustem | babilen: http://www.dmasoftlab.com/cont/home |
| 09:00.27 | babilen | *shudder* You pay that much money for software that hasn't been developed/maintained in at least 3 years? Aren't there any alternatives? (foss or not) |
| 09:01.23 | donttrustem | babilen: it is maintained …. you just don't see the patches until you login |
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| 09:02.48 | babilen | donttrustem: Why do they link against ancient libraries then? Either way: You should run it in a lenny chroot or virtual machine (that is well protected from the outside) |
| 09:03.26 | donttrustem | it need to access the outside …. |
| 09:03.45 | donttrustem | it connects via VPN to the other networks |
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| 09:04.31 | KinkyPinkie | Hey. I'm having a bit of a problem that I hoped that someone perhaps had a fix for. I've tried creating boot usb from unetbootin and lili, (both windows) and creating one from my debian cli. But for some strange reason I get prompted to mount CD Rom (probably to get another iso from there). My box ain't got one, so I wonder how I can bypass this. |
| 09:04.34 | donttrustem | so the box is public so you can login and manage you network |
| 09:05.12 | babilen | donttrustem: Ok, then *at least* use the Debian packages -- I would still recommend not to mix those packages into a production squeeze server, but run it seperated. |
| 09:05.40 | donttrustem | OK … where do I find those 2 packages |
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| 09:05.58 | ectospasm | KinkyPinkie: what are you booting on this USB stick? Debian or something else? |
| 09:06.10 | babilen | donttrustem: btw, a 10second google search came up with http://sourceforge.net/projects/daloradius/ and I am sure that there are better solutions around. You could ask in #freeradius |
| 09:06.26 | donttrustem | ok |
| 09:06.29 | babilen | donttrustem: http://packages.debian.org ;) |
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| 09:06.51 | KinkyPinkie | ectospasm: debian yes. first install on a new box |
| 09:07.20 | babilen | donttrustem: And you are sure that the software needs exactly that version and not a newer libltdl one? |
| 09:07.25 | ectospasm | KinkyPinkie: which ISO image are you trying to install? |
| 09:07.51 | donttrustem | babilen: I am only as sure are the installation manual |
| 09:08.09 | donttrustem | I am checking out the other solution you sent me ... |
| 09:08.18 | babilen | donttrustem: Well, you could try installing libltdl-dev and see if that satisfies it. |
| 09:08.26 | donttrustem | I want to see if it works with Mikrotiks |
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| 09:09.18 | KinkyPinkie | ectospasm: debian-live-6.0.4-i386 got it off debian.org/cd/live . |
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| 09:09.42 | babilen | donttrustem: That version is in squeeze. What exactly does the manual say about that library? And just google for "radius billing mikrotix" yourself. I just tried to find something -- I have no idea if that software (i.e. daloradius) is any good. It might be the best of its kind and it might be bad, I wouldn't know :) |
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| 09:10.16 | donttrustem | :) |
| 09:10.17 | donttrustem | OK |
| 09:10.27 | donttrustem | thanks for the help |
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| 09:10.58 | ectospasm | KinkyPinkie: so when you boot the LiveCD image from USB it prompts you to insert yet another CD? |
| 09:11.28 | babilen | KinkyPinkie: unetbootin is known to cause exactly that error, but I haven't seen it with normal install images and the "Debian cli" way. It *might* therefore be related to the fact that you use the live cd. You might want to try a real image such as "/msg dpkg netinst", "/msg dpkg firmware image" or "/msg dpkg cd1" |
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| 09:12.52 | ectospasm | yeah, unetbootin is terrible |
| 09:12.57 | babilen | donttrustem: Good luck! You most likely paid for the dmasoftware already and I would therefore recommend to try compiling it against the libltdl-dev that is in Squeeze. But looking around for other (maybe even free (beer/speech)) solutions might still be worth it. |
| 09:13.08 | KinkyPinkie | yes, I found that on http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=48602 Taught it was strange when I got that off the others aswell. |
| 09:13.32 | babilen | !tell KinkyPinkie -about usb install |
| 09:13.38 | babilen | !tell KinkyPinkie -about hybrid images |
| 09:13.54 | KinkyPinkie | woah, nice |
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| 10:12.04 | iiii | ciao |
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| 10:24.30 | deux_ | hi everyone |
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| 10:25.45 | deux_ | i want to reinstall my debian. i have multiple partitions and i would like to keep my files intact. which partition should i format and reinstall to? |
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| 10:26.38 | pzn | I have a debian machine with some "bug" in cifs remote filesystem... filesystem is "locked", can't umount it (process is disk-sleep state for hours), and "shutdown" command is wanting for disk to be umounted... how can I force an umount of something? |
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| 10:28.01 | tremon | !sysrq |
| 10:28.02 | dpkg | i guess sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-[Key]. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try [Key] with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt . See also <sysrqd>. |
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| 10:29.09 | deux_ | anyone can help? |
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| 10:30.22 | ksuhku | deux_, what partitions do you have? |
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| 10:32.26 | deux_ | root? (the forward slash), usr, var, swap, tmp and home |
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| 10:33.49 | pzn | tremon, didn't work... "sync" command (via command line) or via sysrq stays waiting forever, since I have one "locked" filesystem... |
| 10:34.03 | pzn | tremon, seems I'll have to pull the plug :-( |
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| 10:34.27 | tremon | pzn: you pressed alt-sysrq-u followed by alt-sysrq-b and nothing happened? |
| 10:35.29 | pzn | tremon, since I have ssh access and I'm logged into the machine, I just ran "sync" as root and sync is in disk-sleep state... |
| 10:35.53 | tremon | pzn: ah, but you didn't say you weren't at the console... |
| 10:36.20 | tremon | how are you going to power-cycle it if you're not physically at the machine? |
| 10:36.58 | ectospasm | magic sysrq requires direct keyboard access, right? |
| 10:37.18 | tremon | yes, for certain values of direct |
| 10:37.24 | pzn | tremon, ectospasm: done... echo 'r' > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 10:37.42 | tremon | ah, that's a new one for me |
| 10:38.11 | pzn | sorry... what was echo 'b', not echo 'r' |
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| 10:38.30 | deux_ | ?? |
| 10:39.06 | tremon | deux_: and which parititions contain data that you want to keep? |
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| 10:39.30 | deux_ | only my personal data (which is on home?) |
| 10:39.49 | tremon | deux_: then format everything except /home :) |
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| 10:40.38 | tremon | pzn: I'm curious... did that action reboot the machine (i.e. did the same as alt-sysrq-b)? |
| 10:40.55 | pzn | does debian ssh provide some default method of anti-brute-force or anti-overload for many incoming connections? I'm getting "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" and I think that maybe some "overload", since many machines are trying to start an "scp" simultaneous to the same server |
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| 10:41.22 | pzn | tremon, yes, it did reboot. check there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Alternate_ways_to_invoke_Magic_SysRq |
| 10:41.36 | deux_ | thanks :-) |
| 10:41.39 | themill | pzn: do you have denyhosts installed? |
| 10:42.23 | nkuttler | pzn: or fail2ban |
| 10:42.26 | tremon | pzn: no rate-limiting by default, but if you just did an unclean reboot, the machine might still be busy doing fsck |
| 10:43.04 | pzn | themill,nkuttler, default ssh installation. all was OK. network got down for hours... network is up now... many clients are trying to connect to server via scp and server is refusing. |
| 10:43.22 | pzn | tremon, it is a different machine :-) the reboot one is running ok now! |
| 10:43.31 | tremon | :) |
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| 10:43.52 | nkuttler | pzn: check the server logs |
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| 10:44.06 | pzn | nkuttler, can't ssh to it :-) how? |
| 10:44.17 | nkuttler | pzn: walk there? |
| 10:44.44 | nkuttler | pzn: or use whatever management tools you have |
| 10:45.13 | themill | nkuttler: if iptables were involved you wouldn't get as far as ssh_exchange_identification where as you do when tcpwrappers are involved. |
| 10:45.24 | pzn | nkuttler, this server is far away... do you think that putting iptables rules in all clients that are trying to connect, waiting 5 mins to server "stop thinking it is brute force" will help me? |
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| 10:45.57 | themill | pzn: check your logs to find out why this is happening first |
| 10:46.20 | nkuttler | themill: yeah, i thought he was wanting to install something to prevent attacks |
| 10:47.00 | themill | ahh |
| 10:48.45 | pzn | themill, unfortunately there is noone there now, and I don't want to travel 40km to go there today unless it is really needed. do you think I have any other alternative? is my idea of logging in all clients and stop them will help me to ssh there? |
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| 10:49.20 | tremon | pzn: no one can answer that without knowing why the server is refusing connections |
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| 10:50.00 | tremon | if you think there might be some rate-limiting configuration on the server, then TIAS |
| 10:50.14 | addiks | hi, does anybody kow how to automaticly execute a shell script everytime a specific package gets upgraded? |
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| 10:50.54 | pzn | tremon, ok, I'll TIAS |
| 10:51.31 | daemonkeeper | addiks: you are the script yourself, given it's you to upgrade it? |
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| 10:51.46 | themill | pzn: I can't imagine how you can change iptables rules on this machine but can't look at its logs |
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| 10:52.24 | pzn | themill, no... I'll change iptables OUTPUT rules in all 14 machines that are clients and connect to the server to transfer via scp... |
| 10:52.50 | pzn | themill, than wait some minutes and check if server answers good again |
| 10:53.17 | addiks | deamonkeeper: no, its the automatic upgrade program in ubuntu, but i am curious if there is a generic trigger in apt/dpkg which i could hook into. |
| 10:53.32 | daemonkeeper | addiks: There are dpkg triggers indeed. |
| 10:53.51 | daemonkeeper | addiks: But they are not (really) supposed to be used by end users but packages |
| 10:54.21 | daemonkeeper | Likewise there are hook directories for apt. |
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| 10:54.36 | daemonkeeper | But you cannot restrict them to a specific package only afaict. |
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| 10:56.00 | tremon | use a logwatcher on dpkg.log ? |
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| 10:56.14 | addiks | mhh, maybe i could check in that apt-hook if the package was updated by storing the version number somewhere. |
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| 10:57.00 | beboj | hi, Im desperated ubuntu 12.04 user + fluxbox , and I have annoying problem with internal wireless gsm modem ,qualcomm sierra 5620.None of this program wvdial,network manager can work with this device.I used this little how to with drivers - http://securit.se/en/2012/03/guide-sa-har-far-du-gobi-2000-wireless-modem-att-fungera-ubuntu-12-04/ but nothing :( |
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| 10:57.38 | ksuhku | !ubuntu |
| 10:57.38 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 10:57.49 | daemonkeeper | addiks: dpkg triggers come closest to what you want indeed. But you need to make a minimal pseudo-package for that. |
| 10:57.50 | addiks | Maybe there is a more direct solution. What i want is to apply a patch and recompile a package while not getting out of package-control and updates. |
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| 10:58.30 | beboj | I know.. but debian users seems to be more experienced so Im writing this here |
| 10:59.05 | daemonkeeper | You miss the point. |
| 10:59.15 | nkuttler | !they don't know |
| 10:59.21 | dpkg | We're sorry your distro's channel isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and party with us. |
| 10:59.29 | themill | dpkg: tell bebojb about install guide |
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| 11:00.05 | hcx | debian imho is more sophisticated than ubuntu |
| 11:00.17 | ksuhku | not to mention sexier |
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| 11:00.50 | hcx | on the other hand I got nuts trying to sync my communicator 9500 with debian lenny |
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| 11:03.18 | hcx | is anybody here to has experiences with motiontrack on debian 6? |
| 11:03.40 | pzn | themill, it didn't work... problem does not seem to be related to many ssh connections... I'll have to go to the machine (40km)... that is saturdays hell :-( |
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| 11:04.13 | pzn | themill, why do we have nagios to tell admins about the problems at weekends????? |
| 11:04.23 | themill | pzn: I assume you have no other way of getting to this machine? No vpn, no call-back session, no screen, no remote console? |
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| 11:05.58 | pzn | themill, yes, I have vpn. I'm connected from home to datacenter via vpn. the only tcp opened port is 22. since ssh is not connecting, I suppose there is no other way to discover remotelly |
| 11:06.08 | bullgard4 | Is the Debian Reference http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/index.en.html available also in another format which can be grepped easier? |
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| 11:06.56 | tremon | ,i debian-reference |
| 11:06.56 | judd | Package debian-reference (doc, optional) in squeeze/i386: metapackage to install (all) translations of Debian Reference. Version: 2.46; Size: 16.8k; Installed: 44k; Homepage: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference |
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| 11:07.11 | pzn | themill, I also have getty running at ttyS0 since the machine is a dedicated hardware and has no video card. but that should be done locally too |
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| 11:07.38 | ksuhku | bullgard4, ^ |
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| 11:08.38 | bullgard4 | tremon: You did not answer my question. |
| 11:09.08 | bullgard4 | ksuhku: Can you elaborate. |
| 11:09.24 | ksuhku | bullgard4, install the package and grep away? |
| 11:09.26 | pzn | bullgard4, when you install debian-reference package, there is a txt-plain version of the reference in /usr/share/doc/debian-reference |
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| 11:12.43 | pzn | themill, do you have any other remotely-possible-to-do ideas to ssh again? the only different thing is that all clients were trying scp at the same time... but now they are blocked and I still can't ssh... |
| 11:13.13 | themill | pzn: I still think it's your /etc/hosts.deny |
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| 11:19.55 | pzn | themill, hosts.allow hosts.deny are both empty (just comments), checked that in the server backup of yesterday. just 2 people have root access and me and other person didn't change anything... also server has no access to external net, then less probable of some cracker |
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| 11:20.39 | themill | checking the backup isn't very useful if the problem didn't also exist yesterday |
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| 11:21.26 | pzn | themill, which point you are seeing that I'm not? |
| 11:21.55 | pzn | themill, do you think that maybe some filesystem corrupted hosts.deny file the last night? |
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| 11:24.48 | redwarriors25 | i have a problem |
| 11:24.57 | redwarriors25 | is it ok here in networking? |
| 11:25.10 | pzn | themill, I think that there is nothing to be done remotely :-( will travel to the machine and will come back later to tell what was the problem |
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| 11:33.26 | naquad | hi |
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| 11:56.11 | FGH` | hi |
| 11:56.21 | FGH` | where can i find my mysql database file? |
| 11:57.11 | nkuttler | FGH`: /var/lib/mysql/ .. but why? |
| 11:57.21 | FGH` | just asking |
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| 11:59.31 | Woet | is there a way to generate more entropy for /dev/random for cryptographic purposes? |
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| 12:01.12 | tremon | Woet: what do you mean "generate more entropy"? |
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| 12:01.50 | tremon | purely theoretically speaking, something "generated" isn't of sufficient randomness for cryptographic purposes |
| 12:01.50 | Woet | tremon: I need more data coming out of /dev/random and /dev/urandom is not usable for cryptographic purposes |
| 12:02.03 | Woet | well, seed more entropy I guess |
| 12:02.10 | Woet | make /dev/random use more sources for it's randomness |
| 12:02.36 | tremon | iirc, the kernel uses a number of sources for randomness, one is keyboard input, another is the timing of arrival of network packets |
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| 12:02.55 | Trewas | Woet: you can actually cat somefile > /dev/random and it will increase the entropy |
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| 12:04.19 | tremon | well, yes, but where would you get sufficient entropy to seed /dev/random with high-quality noise? (no I don't know what post-processing the kernel does on such writes) |
| 12:06.18 | Trewas | yeah, that's not a long-term solution |
| 12:06.41 | tremon | from what I remember, writing to /dev/random is only good in two occasions: restoring the seed after boot, or if you get the data to write from a hardware rng |
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| 12:07.42 | pzn | Woet, I had the same problem a few years ago... know the solution... give me some minutes to search |
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| 12:11.26 | pzn | Woet, this is a workaround that will work for most cases... apt-get install rng-tools; edit /etc/default/rng-tools and put "HRNGDEVICE=/dev/urandom", /etc/init.d/rng-tools restart |
| 12:11.38 | Woet | pzn: then i can just read /dev/urandom |
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| 12:11.41 | mashk | HI |
| 12:12.05 | mashk | I cannot start php5-fpm ? |
| 12:12.09 | mashk | what I can do? |
| 12:12.24 | mashk | it works as daemon but does not listen on port |
| 12:12.50 | pzn | Woet, it will basically use /dev/urandom as "seed" to /dev/random when /dev/random has low characters on buffer. rng-tools also add some FIPS checking to see if data is really random, not pseudo-random |
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| 12:14.13 | pzn | Woet, take a look in rng-tools manpage, you can also use other sources (like some intel random-number generators that some motherboard have), in /etc/default/rng-tools you can specify some real-random-generator-hardware too, instead of /dev/urandom |
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| 12:22.08 | MediaWork | hi |
| 12:22.21 | MediaWork | is there a command line way to figure out my global ip address on linux? |
| 12:22.34 | MediaWork | without typing into google "what is my ip addres?" |
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| 12:23.27 | tremon | MediaWork: you mean, other than wget www.whatismyipaddress.com and parsing the output? |
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| 12:25.10 | wutix | Why does wheezy use gnome 3? Isn't ubuntu an option for that? |
| 12:25.26 | wutix | What if we're not ready for gnome 3? |
| 12:25.55 | tremon | wutix: wheezy doesn't /use/ gnome 3, it merely provides the option to install it |
| 12:25.58 | ksuhku | doesn't wheezy use xcfe because of the cd space limits? |
| 12:26.36 | wutix | tremon: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy#Packages_.26_versions |
| 12:27.06 | tremon | wutix: is there a support question in there somewhere? |
| 12:27.24 | wutix | Yes. What if I want to rollback to gnome2? |
| 12:27.34 | tremon | wutix: then don't upgrade to wheezy |
| 12:27.51 | wutix | What if I need the new kernel? |
| 12:28.04 | tremon | then use backports |
| 12:28.13 | wutix | what if I need the ipv6 support? |
| 12:28.18 | tremon | then use lenny |
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| 12:28.52 | wutix | tremon: where do I find backports with 3.2.6 ? |
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| 12:29.06 | tremon | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 12:29.07 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on i386 -- lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+44~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 3.2+45~bpo60+1; sid: 3.2+45; wheezy: 3.2+45 |
| 12:29.16 | MediaWork | tremon: yes, |
| 12:29.33 | MediaWork | tremon: can traceroute or something examine the ip traffice to figure this out? |
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| 12:30.58 | tremon | MediaWork: there isn't a simple answer to that question, as different protocols can be routed through different proxies or gateways |
| 12:31.44 | wutix | tremon: squeeze 3.2.6? any idea where I can find it? :( |
| 12:31.47 | tremon | for http traffic, there really isn't a better option than to use a web browser |
| 12:31.52 | wutix | tremon: I need the 3.2.6 for firmware that requires it |
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| 12:31.55 | boudiccas | i'm trying to creat a menu entry in alacarte for XFCE on wheezy for 'eximon' which runs from the command 'sudo eximon'. So far i've managed to get it to open a terminal but no further. so how do i do it please? any tutorials or web pages please? |
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| 12:33.12 | ksuhku | boudiccas, try gksudo instead of sudo |
| 12:33.25 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
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| 12:34.21 | bullgard4 | Is »UTF-8 Unicode English text« a stand-alone MIME type? |
| 12:34.38 | tremon | ,i linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 --arch amd64 --release wheezy |
| 12:34.40 | judd | Package linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 (kernel, optional) in wheezy/amd64: Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs. Version: 3.2.23-1; Size: 22720.1k; Installed: 104924k |
| 12:34.58 | tremon | wutix: why do you need 3.2.6, is 3.2.23 not good enough? |
| 12:35.22 | wutix | tremon: that works too |
| 12:35.33 | wutix | tremon: can't seem to find it though |
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| 12:35.49 | tremon | !tell wutix about bpo |
| 12:36.39 | wutix | tremon.. I want an install cd, with linux 3.2.x included... |
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| 12:38.17 | allorder | wutix: try http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:38.21 | tremon | !tell wutix about kmuto |
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| 12:38.34 | tremon | yeah that one, although the page says latest kernel is 3.2.4 |
| 12:39.49 | zecrazytux | !tell zecrazytux about kmuto |
| 12:40.09 | tremon | zecrazytux: /msg dpkg kmuto ;) |
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| 12:40.29 | zecrazytux | tremon: :) thx |
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| 12:43.00 | Somelauw | Hi, I installed latex and for some reason a lot of fonts in the webbrowser changed. The problem is that I prefer the old fonts. |
| 12:43.13 | Somelauw | But I don't know what my old fonts were or how to correct this. |
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| 12:57.52 | ksuhku | Somelauw, maybe new fonts got installed? try grep ttf /var/log/dpkg* |
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| 13:13.12 | wobster | Hi everyone. I am setting up a 'fakeraid' (mdadm, efi). everything seems to be set up fine, however, from the initrd , the array is not assembled. more confusingly: although the kernel parm 'root' references the right md partition by uuid, it boots off just one disk (dev/sda) of an raid1 array. does the kernel look for candidates by itself? just trying to figure out what is going on. |
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| 13:15.28 | ManoftheSea | wobster: no, the initramdisk must do the assembly before mounting the real root. Are you using initramfs-tools? |
| 13:15.40 | tremon | wobster: if you reference your root parameter by UUID, the initramfs scripts may not include the necessary mdadm modules in the initramfs. Try using a /dev/mapper path as root parameter and regenerating initramfs |
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| 13:16.12 | ManoftheSea | tremon: that'd be a bug on the initramfs scripts |
| 13:16.34 | wobster | tremon, I checked the output of update-initramfs, which seemed ok to me, module-wise. |
| 13:16.53 | wobster | Ill give it a try. |
| 13:16.56 | tremon | (iirc, the kernel can auto-assemble, but only does so for newer mdadm formats and if the homehost field matches the current system) |
| 13:16.59 | ManoftheSea | wobster, you might try bringing it up manually, to see if the initramfs has everything needed. |
| 13:17.19 | ManoftheSea | pass break=premount on the kernel cmdline in grub |
| 13:17.28 | ManoftheSea | This will give you a shell in the initramdisk environment |
| 13:17.30 | tremon | wobster: it's not about modules, but init scripts and binaries. Does the initramfs include mdadm, for example? |
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| 13:17.34 | wobster | ManoftheSea, it does. what is simply puzzling is that it boots at all. |
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| 13:17.37 | ManoftheSea | At which point, you'll want to mdadm --scan |
| 13:17.52 | wobster | I currently break=bottom. resuming kernel panics :) |
| 13:17.54 | ManoftheSea | create your fakeraid, make it the root device. |
| 13:18.11 | ManoftheSea | bottom is after mount, right? |
| 13:18.13 | wobster | I have an local-premount script that simply --assemble --scans ... |
| 13:18.19 | wobster | yes |
| 13:18.25 | ManoftheSea | When you've mounted only part of the raid. |
| 13:18.50 | wobster | hm, what do you mean? |
| 13:19.02 | wobster | how to "make it the root device"? |
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| 13:20.06 | ManoftheSea | if you break at premount... |
| 13:20.18 | ManoftheSea | You exit once you've mounted it at /root in the initramfs environment |
| 13:20.52 | wobster | hm, ok. I have to figure out when the kernel panics when exiting the shell.. *sig* |
| 13:20.53 | wobster | h |
| 13:21.01 | wobster | why, even |
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| 13:23.10 | wobster | man, I have fun. |
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| 13:27.42 | themill | Woet: btw there is a hardware usb "entropy key" you can buy which comes highly recommended for that |
| 13:27.55 | Woet | I know themill, not an option in this case I'm afraid |
| 13:28.21 | themill | ok |
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| 13:30.42 | specing | Woet: ddg frandom |
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| 13:33.09 | darsie | Which program can scan this code? http://www.bksys.at/bernhard/temp/P1100063-rotate-crop.JPG |
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| 13:33.40 | darsie | zbarimg doesn't do it. |
| 13:34.02 | specing | darsie: what does file say |
| 13:34.22 | darsie | it's a jpg image. What do you expect? |
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| 13:34.45 | darsie | P1100063-rotate-crop.JPG: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.01 |
| 13:34.50 | tremon | darsie: that's a qr code |
| 13:34.56 | ManoftheSea | that's not a QR, those usually have boxes in the corners. |
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| 13:35.16 | marxistvegan | what log file would track issues with a login from gdm3? |
| 13:35.17 | darsie | It's from a flyer. |
| 13:35.19 | tremon | ok, so it's a malformed qr code |
| 13:35.29 | darsie | No, it's a different format. |
| 13:35.41 | tremon | does the format have a name? |
| 13:35.52 | darsie | with 2 solid and 2 dotted edges. |
| 13:35.56 | darsie | Probably. |
| 13:36.07 | boudiccas | i'm trying to make a menu entry in alacarte in xfce in wheezy, for eximon that runs from a terminal, and i've got 'gksudo eximon' which asks for roots password and then opens a terminal but then just hangs. how do i do it please? |
| 13:36.16 | wobster | ManoftheSea, alright. manual setup from preboot works. now (of course) I corrupted my fs during the experiments. but that's not an issue. now the grub/efi device mapping issue remains :) |
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| 13:36.29 | darsie | Ok, seems I have to find out which coding that is. |
| 13:36.57 | ManoftheSea | wobster: there is not grub/efi device mapping issue. |
| 13:36.59 | tremon | wobster: did you mark the partitions as the FD-equivalent for gpt? |
| 13:37.10 | tremon | (fd = md raid autodetect) |
| 13:37.16 | ManoftheSea | EFI will not do fakeraid, and Grub just puts the kernel and initrd into memory and gets out of the way |
| 13:37.33 | wobster | tremon, ugh, too high for me. |
| 13:37.39 | bullgard4 | marxistvegan: /var/log/syslog |
| 13:37.52 | wobster | tremon, what do you mean? |
| 13:38.15 | ManoftheSea | wobster: It is suggested that you put /boot on a seperate partition that isn't raided, and the rest of the disks into the raid set. |
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| 13:38.32 | wobster | ManoftheSea, hm, ok, my assumption was the the board firmware somehow only presents the firmware-assembled array to EFI. |
| 13:38.48 | ManoftheSea | firmware assembled? Didn't you say softRAID? |
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| 13:38.55 | marxistvegan | bullgard4: thank you now to figure out what I am looking for |
| 13:38.55 | ManoftheSea | you're using mdadm |
| 13:38.57 | carrera | Greetings! :) |
| 13:39.14 | wobster | ManoftheSea, not possible. i tis a dual-boot system. windows and linux share the same metadata over the entire disk |
| 13:39.18 | tremon | wobster: well I'm still guessing here, but when auto-assembling, the kernel only scans for partitions that have the FD (md raid) filesystem type. There is an equivalent filesystem type for gpt |
| 13:39.23 | wobster | ManoftheSea, no, I said fakeraid. |
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| 13:39.46 | darsie | seems to be a Datamatrix code. |
| 13:39.55 | wobster | dmraid doesn't work on that metadata. and mdadm works just fine. I have 3TB drives here which dmraid cannot handle. |
| 13:39.56 | tremon | ah fakeraid... never mind then :) |
| 13:39.59 | ManoftheSea | wobster: oh, ick. I've done that before, but it's hard as crap to get win and lin to agree. |
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| 13:41.19 | wobster | yes, I'd like windows so secure my linux data as well. since mdadm is actively intel supported and I have imsm, I see no reason why that should break |
| 13:41.29 | carrera | In Wheezy, Clock Preferences->Time Settings->Network Time doesn't stick to ON. It keeps switching back to OFF. Any solutions? |
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| 13:42.16 | wobster | ManoftheSea, I am already in day 4 of this nightmare ;) |
| 13:42.18 | ManoftheSea | wobster: I agree, it should work eventually. |
| 13:42.24 | ManoftheSea | but... ew. |
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| 13:42.52 | ManoftheSea | once you manually assembled and booted, did you try rebuilding your initramfs? |
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| 13:43.04 | wobster | manly because I corrupted the fss' a million tims. |
| 13:43.09 | ManoftheSea | the detection may run differently now, since it IS on the fakeraid. |
| 13:43.25 | ManoftheSea | I seem to remember having to bootstrap manually before the autodetect would work. |
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| 13:43.31 | ManoftheSea | again, good luck. |
| 13:43.34 | wobster | I have to try. I just managed to boot for the first time on the md (manually) |
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| 13:44.05 | wobster | ManoftheSea, tremon thanks for the support. appreciated. |
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| 13:46.08 | wobster | ManoftheSea, the key problem is the 3TB drives as all (debian + derivates) automatic install-procedures use dmraid. which raises all kinds of hell (gpt corruptions and whatnot) |
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| 13:48.37 | carrera | Any ideas as to why Clock Preferences->Time Settings->Network Time doesn't stick to ON? |
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| 13:50.42 | ManoftheSea | wobster: for really complex install, I prefer debootstrap. |
| 13:51.00 | wobster | Don't know it. Thanks for the hint. |
| 13:51.22 | ksuhku | darsie, perhaps one of these would do it http://www.libdmtx.org/resources.php |
| 13:51.25 | ManoftheSea | it's manual. |
| 13:51.33 | ManoftheSea | It's complex. |
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| 13:51.56 | darsie | dmtxread did it, but it took 4:10 minutes for the non cropped image! |
| 13:52.00 | ManoftheSea | But then, I installed Wheezy on an EFI system without a CD drive. |
| 13:52.16 | darsie | ksuhku: Thanks, I already found it. |
| 13:52.38 | ManoftheSea | Whole disk encrypted, only grub on the efi partition is unencrypted. |
| 13:52.53 | wobster | nice. |
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| 13:53.38 | tremon | ManoftheSea: I'm using refind instead of grub and have not yet managed the encryption part (I want my system to pull the key from the network) |
| 13:53.51 | tremon | other than that: hi! |
| 13:54.00 | tremon | ;) |
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| 13:54.24 | ManoftheSea | tremon: well, I'm also currently working on EFI Stub booting. |
| 13:54.43 | ManoftheSea | Supposedly added in 3.3, I'm on 3.5.3 vanilla. |
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| 13:55.17 | tremon | I think the efi stub was added earlier, as refind relies on it, and I'm booting debian's 3.2 |
| 13:55.18 | ManoftheSea | But, it looks like it's not properly getting a console before asking for the key. Also, I should take this to debian-offtopic. |
| 13:55.45 | tremon | noted |
| 13:55.54 | Melissublime | something made me so curious.why people don't choose their own name in the channels?i mean why you don't choose your real name dear friends(iknow it's not about debian but i'm just so curious ) :P |
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| 13:56.57 | wobster | Melissublime, probably for the same reason why people change their underwear regularly. I mean, wouldn't it be easier to just keep the one? |
| 13:57.14 | Melissublime | :-D |
| 13:57.21 | tremon | Melissublime: because my nick is much easier to pronounce and remember than my name. And besides, is your real name purple? ;) |
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| 13:58.54 | Melissublime | i asked this because i thought it might make some problem for people!!!!!so they don't choos their realname :P |
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| 13:59.56 | tonytraductor | I change my drawers every Saturday when I take my weekly bath. |
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| 14:00.07 | ManoftheSea | Melissublime: this is an offtopic conversation. Let's all take it to debian-offtopic |
| 14:00.22 | tonytraductor | I didn't even know we had an offtopic chan. co0l |
| 14:00.34 | maxxe | i like to be pseudonymous |
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| 14:01.20 | tonytraductor | I'm Tony Baldwin, but somebody had tonybaldwin registered on freenode before I got here. I'm a translator, so "tonytraductor" (tony-translator in español) works for me. |
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| 14:01.50 | Melissublime | tonytraductor: nice |
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| 14:02.35 | tonytraductor | but if/when you see "tonybaldwin" on the Debian wiki pages and user lists (EN, ES, PT and FR), it's me. |
| 14:03.10 | tonytraductor | Oh, and that "Anthony Baldwin of Baldwin Linguas" mentioned in the acknowledgements of Rafeal and Roland's Handbook, that's me, too. |
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| 14:03.23 | tonytraductor | I'm quite proud of that. |
| 14:03.39 | ManoftheSea | tonytraductor: Now that you know of it, use it. |
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| 14:05.14 | marxistvegan | I am having an issue with logging in using gdm3 the only change that occurred yesterday was the use of usermod -a -G amd ... which may have been done with the root user...would that impact the ability for any user to login? |
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| 14:06.18 | marxistvegan | for the record I am running debian testing for about a year now |
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| 14:11.17 | marxistvegan | in my syslog is a Glib-GIO-warning: Dropping signal activesessionchanged of type(s) sinc the type from expexted interface is (0) ... not sure if that i helpful |
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| 14:35.32 | bullgard4 | marxistvegan: The use of usermod can impact the ability for users to login. Yes. |
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| 14:44.06 | ronaldo | I just installed 6.0.4 i386 to me Dell Lattitude E6420, eth0 works, however the NetMon panel applet shows no connections/devices, also it finds sound card but no sound is heard (I un-muted in alsamixer) |
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| 14:49.44 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:50.53 | ronaldo | aplay does not produce sound, however it does not throw up any error message |
| 14:51.11 | ronaldo | when playing a flac file |
| 14:52.13 | bullgard4 | ronaldo: Investigate if your loudspeakers are connected. If they are connected to the proper output jack. |
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| 14:53.45 | ronaldo | its a laptop, when i plug in headphones i can hear fine |
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| 14:57.05 | bullgard4 | ronaldo: So your problem is close to hardware and difficult to judge from remote when not being familiar with your Dell Latitude E6420 laptop computer. -- Sometimes you will need to plug the loudpeaker cord into a different plug. Sometimes one did not plug in deep enough. |
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| 14:58.41 | ronaldo | ok thanks, what do you think about the NetworkManager Applet, i keeps putting evolution offline |
| 14:58.46 | bullgard4 | ronaldo: Scrutinize your computer's handbook for "loudspeakers". |
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| 14:59.39 | bullgard4 | ronaldo: Do you speak about the email program "Evolution"? |
| 14:59.45 | fredl | hi, I seem to be having a problem with facebook today, my iseweasel just sits there.... |
| 15:00.32 | ronaldo | yes the email |
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| 15:00.55 | ronaldo | I keep getting: "evolution-shell-Message: Network disconnected. Forced offline." |
| 15:00.58 | marxistvegan | fredl: which iceweasel? |
| 15:01.23 | tremon | https://live.gnome.org/Evolution/FAQ#Why_is_Evolution_offline_when_my_net_connection_is_working.3F |
| 15:01.24 | bullgard4 | ronaldo: You should check if NetworkManager provides Internet access. Does '~$ sudo rout' produce meaningful output? |
| 15:01.29 | fredl | 10.0.7 |
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| 15:01.44 | fredl | it looks like it's related to https somehow but other sites work fine |
| 15:01.48 | bullgard4 | ronaldo: You should check if NetworkManager provides Internet access. Does '~$ sudo route' produce meaningful output? |
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| 15:03.36 | ronaldo | bullgard4: yes route does, and I do have inet access on several different applications, but some fail saying no network is avail |
| 15:04.16 | marxistvegan | fredl: have you tested it in another browser? |
| 15:04.38 | bullgard4 | ronaldo: Can you classify what applications have Internet access and what applications do not have Internet access? |
| 15:04.53 | fredl | marxistvegan, yeah I have chromium installed but that seems to be bothered with tons of other things |
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| 15:05.15 | fredl | I also tried installing opera but that doesn't seem to work properly either. |
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| 15:05.39 | fredl | marxistvegan, if I remove all facebook cookies and reload using http I get the login page |
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| 15:05.45 | ronaldo | bullgard4: classify? not really so far just evolution seems to be having an issue, i managed to get epiphany, liferea, xchat working without any complaints |
| 15:05.57 | marxistvegan | fredl: I am afraid I won't be able to help too much I don't actually have a facebook account |
| 15:06.17 | fredl | hmm ok |
| 15:06.35 | bullgard4 | ronaldo: Did you read what <tremon> suggested? |
| 15:06.48 | fredl | it's kinda bizarre, it just sits there waiting and waiting after I log in |
| 15:06.55 | ronaldo | checking now |
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| 15:07.06 | fredl | anybody here who can log in on facebook with iceweasel? |
| 15:07.12 | fredl | (using https) |
| 15:07.15 | tremon | it's not really a solution beyond what you were already saying though, evolution simply won't work if you don't let networkmanager handle your internet connection |
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| 15:07.33 | marxistvegan | fredl: what add-ons do you have? |
| 15:07.51 | fredl | marxistvegan, just cookiemonster, firebug and firephp |
| 15:08.10 | marxistvegan | fredl: try disabling cookiemonster |
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| 15:08.30 | fredl | well I just installed that one to remove my cookies to see if it would make any difference :) |
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| 15:09.00 | fredl | so, sadly that won't fix anything I'm afraid. |
| 15:09.08 | tremon | there is also iceweasel --safe-mode, that disables all plugins. |
| 15:09.20 | fredl | hmm lemme try that |
| 15:09.29 | tremon | oh it's -safe-mode |
| 15:09.40 | tremon | stupid non-unix conventions |
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| 15:10.23 | fredl | --safe-mode also seems to work. |
| 15:10.32 | fredl | doesn't fix the problem though |
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| 15:11.14 | fredl | its just like facebook changed their https layer so it no longer works for iceweasel |
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| 15:12.17 | tremon | well, at least you don't need to look for an error in other plugins |
| 15:12.26 | fredl | there's nobody here with an up to date squeeze who can verify this? |
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| 15:13.07 | fredl | I have a binary firefox installed in /opt, it might be iceweasel is loading it's libraries mistakenly? |
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| 15:14.04 | tremon | fredl: make the directory inaccessible to your user and try again? |
| 15:14.36 | fredl | hmm, no difference. |
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| 15:16.11 | ThePaRaDoX | people please dont laugh:p how can i reset my root pass? |
| 15:16.22 | ThePaRaDoX | havent used my linux pc in a while and i forgot it |
| 15:16.25 | ronaldo | reboot didnt help, but wireless works, eth0 says device is not managed |
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| 15:16.55 | fredl | the whole firefox/iceweasel thing is just so confusing :/ |
| 15:16.55 | makoto | anyone able to give me a hand getting sound working? |
| 15:17.18 | makoto | it appears to work, but nothing's coming out |
| 15:17.18 | fredl | iceweasel pkg has filenames like 'firefox.real' in it. |
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| 15:17.42 | fredl | oh BTW, my iceweasel is a BPO pkg |
| 15:18.10 | ThePaRaDoX | anyone?:D |
| 15:18.17 | tremon | ThePaRaDoX: there's probably a factoid for it. edit the kernel command line from the bootloader, add init=/bin/bash. remount / read/write, then passwd |
| 15:18.30 | metaphysician | ThePaRaDoX: boot into single user mode |
| 15:19.00 | tremon | ah... |
| 15:19.15 | tremon | !tell ThePaRaDoX about forgot root password |
| 15:19.18 | ThePaRaDoX | metaphysician this is the recovery right? |
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| 15:19.24 | ThePaRaDoX | ahhh |
| 15:19.27 | ThePaRaDoX | thx a lot :) |
| 15:19.35 | metaphysician | ThePaRaDoX: do what the factoid says |
| 15:19.45 | ThePaRaDoX | will do |
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| 15:25.34 | dodo_ | i'm trying to build an app from sources. but it ended with an error. i think that i have solved it. should i continue with a "make" or do i have to do a "make clean" or something... |
| 15:25.35 | dodo_ | ? |
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| 15:26.43 | ThePaRaDoX | metaphysician when i try to do passwd from the recovery mode i type the new pass twice and i get: passwd: Authentication token manipulation error and passwd: password unchanged |
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| 15:27.13 | babilen | dodo_: Which "app" (are you compiling for a mobile device?) ? What was the problem and how did you solve it? I reckon that you'll have to run ./configure again, but that is simply guessing |
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| 15:28.18 | metaphysician | ThePaRaDoX: did you remount '/' filesystem as read-write ? |
| 15:28.44 | ThePaRaDoX | i think so let me see cause i am not that good with such stuff |
| 15:28.56 | dodo_ | babilen: actually, it was a assumption. |
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| 15:32.18 | Nik05 | hey guys |
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| 15:33.08 | Nik05 | Which package do i need to reconfigure with dpkg if i want to get the settings you can configure at install time? |
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| 15:33.24 | babilen | Nik05: Which settings exactly? |
| 15:33.31 | Nik05 | euh like network, keyboard |
| 15:33.38 | babilen | Which? |
| 15:33.50 | Nik05 | euh hostname, gateway |
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| 15:33.53 | Nik05 | everything :p |
| 15:34.09 | babilen | Nik05: Reinstall the box or be more precise than "everything" |
| 15:34.23 | Nik05 | wait |
| 15:34.27 | babilen | waits |
| 15:34.32 | Nik05 | :) |
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| 15:36.41 | Nik05 | babilen installer starts with choose languange |
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| 15:36.45 | Nik05 | cause that for locales? |
| 15:36.49 | Nik05 | guess damn |
| 15:36.54 | Nik05 | guess thats for locales? |
| 15:37.11 | babilen | Nik05: You want to change your locale? Only for your user or system-wide? |
| 15:37.17 | babilen | !tell Nik05 -about locales |
| 15:37.25 | Nik05 | :) |
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| 15:37.40 | babilen | !tell Nik05 -about locale |
| 15:37.41 | Nik05 | and keyboard layout? |
| 15:38.00 | babilen | Nik05: Ask the bot about <keymap> -- "/msg dpkg keymap" |
| 15:38.15 | Nik05 | its so easy |
| 15:38.49 | Nik05 | ok and the third in the installer is configure network |
| 15:39.00 | Nik05 | and in the standard installer it is using DHCP |
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| 15:39.19 | Nik05 | but in the expert installer you can choose not to use DHCP |
| 15:39.21 | babilen | Nik05: That is a bit more involved. In order to recomend the best setup you have to tell me a little about your network topology and how you use it. |
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| 15:39.51 | Nik05 | i want to give a static ip |
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| 15:39.58 | Nik05 | so no dhcp |
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| 15:40.42 | babilen | Nik05: Sure -- How are you connected to the network? Does this connection change? Do you have to connect to wireless networks too? |
| 15:40.45 | Nik05 | is that /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:40.46 | Nik05 | or is there more the installer does? |
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| 15:41.28 | Nik05 | no wireless |
| 15:41.34 | Nik05 | connection doesnt change |
| 15:41.36 | babilen | Nik05: /etc/network/interfaces is the place that is configured by the installer. There might, however, be a more suitable solution for you, but I can't recommend any as I don't know how your box connects to the internet or if you carry it around... |
| 15:42.04 | Nik05 | connection doesnt change |
| 15:42.31 | babilen | Nik05: Ah, ok. Configure it in /etc/network/interfaces then. Read "/msg dpkg interfaces" the linked documentation and http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 15:43.48 | pzn | themill, I traveled to the machine that was not accepting ssh connections... all I could see was a "kernel panic"... after reboot, machine is OK... nothing in the logs since HD went read-only after the panic :-( didn't discover the reasons... but machine is up again :-) |
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| 15:45.06 | Nik05 | babilen how can i comment in the interface file? |
| 15:45.18 | Nik05 | with // or #? |
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| 15:45.45 | babilen | Nik05: # |
| 15:45.48 | Nik05 | thanks |
| 15:46.24 | Some_Person | Can anyone help me with plymouth? |
| 15:46.24 | beboj | need help with winmodem, wivdial - http://pastebin.com/sBQ8GRzR |
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| 15:48.15 | ThePaRaDoX | thx all |
| 15:48.42 | Nik05 | oops... |
| 15:48.50 | Nik05 | i stopped my interfaces... |
| 15:48.55 | Nik05 | but im connected with ssh lol |
| 15:49.05 | Nik05 | well was connected |
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| 15:50.55 | babilen | Nik05: That might not have been the best idea |
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| 15:51.50 | Nik05 | i know babilen :P |
| 15:52.05 | Nik05 | i dont have a screen on it... |
| 15:52.05 | garotosopa | Can I easily remove packages installed by aptitude build-dep? Otherwise it'd be nice if there were metapackages holding these dependencies so it'd be easier to uninstall packages needed only during compilation. |
| 15:52.26 | Nik05 | can i connect keyboard and then press ctrl alt del? |
| 15:52.36 | blubberdiblub | Nik05, it might be a good idea to write a network-settings-test-script. one that automatically reverts to the old settings and restarts interfaces when you don't press enter within a certain time, like 2 mins or so |
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| 15:54.40 | Nik05 | ok |
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| 15:54.48 | Nik05 | well i will restart the machine |
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| 15:58.47 | Some_Person | When I have plymouth enabled, X fails to become drm master |
| 15:59.05 | Some_Person | What can I do about this? It ends up dumping me to tty1 |
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| 16:04.03 | FilipeMaia | Does iostat shows the throughput that hits the devices taking caches into account? |
| 16:04.12 | babilen | Some_Person: You check the BTS ( http://bugs.debian.org ) only to find http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687500 -- you continue to read the bug report. After thinking about the information you gathered you decide that plymouth is really not worth the hassle and you finish by purging it from your system. |
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| 16:04.51 | babilen | Some_Person: Otherwise provide more information (e.g. which version of plymouth you are referring to) |
| 16:04.56 | Some_Person | It doesn't hang in my case, just X fails to load so it dumps me to tty1 |
| 16:05.51 | Some_Person | plymouth 0.8.5.1-5 on wheezy |
| 16:06.28 | babilen | Some_Person: Does it happen with the version in sid too? |
| 16:06.36 | Some_Person | Haven't tried that |
| 16:06.39 | babilen | Please do |
| 16:06.44 | FilipeMaia | I run iozone with a large file size (double my RAM) and i'm getting quite good numbers on my raid system 1GB/s write and 2GB/s read. How can I know if I can trust the numbers? |
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| 16:06.56 | Some_Person | What's the proper way to install packages from sid on wheezy? |
| 16:07.02 | babilen | !tell Some_Person -about tum |
| 16:07.10 | Some_Person | thank you |
| 16:07.49 | babilen | Some_Person: Make sure that the entries in your sources.list match your default release. I would recommend to set both to "testing" for this (mix testing/unstable) setup. |
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| 16:08.22 | babilen | Some_Person: You might also be happy to hear that we have a dedicated testing/unstable support channel (#debian-next) over at irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 16:08.24 | Some_Person | well doesn't this require adding entries for sid? |
| 16:08.29 | babilen | Some_Person: yes, it does |
| 16:08.37 | babilen | or s/sid/unstable |
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| 16:09.07 | babilen | Some_Person: Just don't use "wheezy" in your sources.list and set the default release to "testing" |
| 16:09.15 | Some_Person | ok |
| 16:09.38 | babilen | Some_Person: Or actually -- I am not entirely how this behaves this time. What are your plans for the box after wheezy's release? |
| 16:09.48 | bool | why isnt the Verdana font style in iceweasel the same as on MS Windows? I cant seem to find any settings to change the fonttype |
| 16:09.55 | Some_Person | babilen: Haven't decided yet |
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| 16:11.39 | babilen | Some_Person: Ok, in that case leave "wheezy" in your sources.list and set the default release to "wheezy" too. |
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| 16:13.53 | babilen | Some_Person: And be happy that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=97564 has been fixed :) |
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| 16:14.55 | bool | here is an example of what i mean: http://postimage.org/image/e538m2ijp/full/ |
| 16:15.00 | Some_Person | babilen: looks like it worked |
| 16:15.49 | babilen | Some_Person: The installation or plymouth? (or both) |
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| 16:16.11 | Some_Person | the repositories. I'm installing plymouth now (need to reboot to see if it solved the problem) |
| 16:16.36 | babilen | Some_Person: Sure, good luck. I never considered important enough to deal with its quirks, but lets see. |
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| 16:24.02 | Some_Person | that made things worse |
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| 16:24.10 | Some_Person | Now it does hang instead of dumping me to tty1 |
| 16:24.24 | babilen | progress! |
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| 16:24.57 | Some_Person | btw, I'm using slim as my display manager. not sure if that matters |
| 16:25.36 | simonlnu | no, since the person who had some issue like that was running gdm3 |
| 16:25.46 | babilen | Some_Person: slim is quite broken AFAIK -- I would try with a different display manager too. Also try the workarounds mentioned in the bug report I linked to earlier. |
| 16:26.07 | Some_Person | what workarounds? |
| 16:26.17 | babilen | Some_Person: did you read the bug report? |
| 16:26.20 | Some_Person | yes |
| 16:26.27 | babilen | read again ;) |
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| 16:26.42 | Some_Person | You mean this? Removing 'splash' from the kernel boot parameters solves the problem. |
| 16:26.47 | Some_Person | that disables plymouth |
| 16:26.57 | ManoftheSea | So, my issue with NM and bluetooth phone? |
| 16:26.59 | babilen | Some_Person: Sure, but it solves the problem! |
| 16:27.11 | ManoftheSea | Updated network manager in aptitude. Problem solved. |
| 16:27.36 | ManoftheSea | though... I can't use the phone bluetooth and the laptop WWAN at the same time, it seems. |
| 16:27.50 | babilen | Some_Person: Ok, excuse me. I am essentially unsure what else you can try and am not very fond of plymouth. |
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| 16:28.11 | Some_Person | kind of wish I could just install usplash at this point |
| 16:28.49 | simonlnu | Some_Person: as i recall, hitting esc made the boot msgs appear as they should, but it would hang when he didn't do that. |
| 16:29.06 | Some_Person | it still hangs when I press esc |
| 16:29.26 | Some_Person | I'll try replacing slim with lightdm and report back |
| 16:29.49 | tremon | well just as a point of interest, I'm using slim and plymouth on wheezy and have had no issues (yet) |
| 16:29.57 | simonlnu | the inird seemed to help a bit. but then he hit another thing where it wasn't working again (i *think*). so, he tweaked the plymouth config to allow for video quirks |
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| 16:30.09 | simonlnu | initrd rebuild* |
| 16:30.27 | simonlnu | ah ok |
| 16:30.57 | simonlnu | could be different issue. |
| 16:32.56 | simonlnu | !test |
| 16:32.56 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 16:33.32 | Some_Person | Huh, it actually works with lightdm |
| 16:33.40 | Some_Person | though the transition is a bit jarring |
| 16:33.50 | AlexLikeRock | Can anyone recommend me some program like "sony vegas" for gnu |
| 16:34.08 | simonlnu | AlexLikeRock: ask in one chan at a time please. |
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| 16:35.16 | Some_Person | lightdm is ugly as heck though |
| 16:35.30 | babilen | AlexLikeRock: And also restrict yourself to *one* network. There really isn't a need to ask *three* channels on two networks. |
| 16:36.05 | simonlnu | thank you for being clearer than me :) |
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| 16:37.51 | Some_Person | So is there any way to make it work with slim? Or should I just use lightdm instead and deal with the fact that it looks crappy |
| 16:38.41 | simonlnu | up to you... it works, so use lightdm, or remove plymouth and use slim :P |
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| 16:40.27 | Some_Person | I don't want gdm because I'm not using gnome |
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| 16:46.52 | Some_Person | doesn't help that 2 of lightdm's greeters are not packaged in debian (lightdm-webkit-greeter and lightdm-unity-greeter) |
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| 16:51.27 | eeeno | i am having trouble getting my wireless card to work on my eeepc... lspci for my wireless results in broadcom corporation bcm4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01) |
| 16:52.46 | eeeno | when i ifconfig wlan0 up it says SIOCSIFFLAGS: no such file or directory |
| 16:52.55 | eeeno | i can see it with i do ifconfig -a however |
| 16:53.45 | eeeno | lspci says its using b43-pci-bridge kernel driver |
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| 16:57.54 | eeeno | i have read that i must install b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer |
| 16:59.15 | wobster | ManoftheSea, if you do not mind, I have more questions... |
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| 17:00.19 | eeeno | oh wait this is an HP mini not an eeepc lol |
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| 17:04.30 | beboj | does anyone use sierra goobi 2000 5620 via wvdial, nm or anything? |
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| 17:15.39 | jhutchins_wk | beboj: Yes, people use those things. |
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| 17:17.28 | beboj | i finnally downloaded the proper driver fori this winmodem device , everything see it but still can't connect with the network via wvdial or nm either |
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| 17:26.23 | ManoftheSea | wobster: yes? |
| 17:29.11 | Some_Person | crap, I just realized my audio isn't working |
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| 17:35.31 | wobster | ManoftheSea, when invoking mdadm --assemble in premount, /proc/mdstat shows the array as being readonly. when I boot with a live cd and do the same, it is auto-read-only. resuming booting from the initrd shell yields an error that says something about being RW or root. also, the degrade test fails in initird. but the arrays is in perfect shape. |
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| 17:36.27 | ManoftheSea | wobster: if the array is out of sync, it wouldn't let you write, correct? |
| 17:36.34 | ManoftheSea | I'm not THAT experienced with fakeRAID |
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| 17:37.47 | wobster | ManoftheSea, as I said, setting that up from a running system yields that it is in perfect shape. |
| 17:38.02 | wobster | ManoftheSea, ok, nevermind. Ill figure that out some time. |
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| 17:38.27 | ManoftheSea | sorry man. |
| 17:38.57 | wobster | ManoftheSea, no problem. Ill get through the process and figure that out, :) |
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| 17:41.23 | wobster | ManoftheSea, oh, maybe this one: I noticed that there is a permission statement in mdadm.conf. It requires group 'disk', which isn't available in the rd system. should I change that or somehow add the group? |
| 17:43.28 | robin_debspace | Hi, does anyone in here have experience running Snort on Squeeze? |
| 17:43.47 | ManoftheSea | wobster: I don't know. I return you to asking the channel for help. |
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| 17:45.49 | wobster | Dear channel, does it make any sense to (or is that possible at all) to have the user 'disk' in initrd? |
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| 17:47.03 | Mjbmr | Hello, will lighttpd 1.5 included in debian reposes? |
| 17:47.23 | babilen | ,v lighttpd |
| 17:47.24 | nkuttler | ,v lighttpd |
| 17:47.24 | judd | Package: lighttpd on i386 -- lenny: 1.4.19-5+lenny3; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny3; squeeze: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.28-2+squeeze1; sid: 1.4.31-1+b1; wheezy: 1.4.31-1+b1 |
| 17:47.31 | Mjbmr | :D |
| 17:47.35 | babilen | Mjbmr: It already is ^^ :) |
| 17:47.45 | Mjbmr | where? |
| 17:47.53 | nkuttler | i don't see 1.5 |
| 17:48.02 | babilen | Ah! |
| 17:48.11 | babilen | Sorry, missed the 1.5 in the question. |
| 17:48.25 | babilen | Mjbmr: I have no idea -- when has it been released? |
| 17:48.43 | nkuttler | it wasn't apparently.. |
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| 17:48.51 | Mjbmr | I've no idea, for a while, lighttpd 2.0 also exist. |
| 17:49.01 | nkuttler | Mjbmr: http://www.lighttpd.net/ |
| 17:49.08 | nkuttler | Mjbmr: what makes you think so? |
| 17:49.13 | babilen | Mjbmr: I can neither see 1.5 nor 2.0 at http://www.lighttpd.net/download |
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| 17:49.37 | Mjbmr | lighttpd 1.5: svn://svn.lighttpd.net/lighttpd/trunk |
| 17:49.49 | Mjbmr | lighttpd2: git://git.lighttpd.net/lighttpd/lighttpd2.git |
| 17:49.50 | nkuttler | Mjbmr: that's trunk.. aka the development version |
| 17:50.06 | Mjbmr | so will not include? |
| 17:50.17 | nkuttler | Mjbmr: it doesn't look released at all |
| 17:50.34 | nkuttler | Mjbmr: once it's released it will most likely be packaged |
| 17:50.55 | Mjbmr | okay. |
| 17:51.05 | babilen | Mjbmr: It will most likely be packaged once it has been released. 1.5 very much looks like the current development version (i.e. absolute bleeding edge that might not even work) -- Why do you need 1.5 and why can't you use a stable release? (i.e. 1.4.31) |
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| 17:51.32 | babilen | nkuttler and babilen and art of saying everything twice |
| 17:51.49 | nkuttler | hugs babilen |
| 17:51.54 | babilen | Mjbmr: Which version of Debian do you use and which version of lighttpd do you need? |
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| 17:52.48 | humbolt | hi guys |
| 17:52.53 | robin_debspace | I also kind of have a version issue… I'd like to run Snort on my router which is running Squeeze, the version of Snort in the stable rep is 8.x, but the Snort team only offers updates for Snort 9.x and above... |
| 17:52.59 | humbolt | anybody ever setup GlusterFS? |
| 17:53.12 | MonkeyDust | is it possible to repair bad blocks on a debian system? |
| 17:53.30 | humbolt | is it recommended to have a RAID setup on the actual GluserFS nodes? |
| 17:54.12 | robin_debspace | MonkeyDust: I guess the chkfs tool is your friend :-) |
| 17:54.14 | humbolt | That does result in double replication (if replication is turned on in GlusterFS), so does that make any sense? |
| 17:54.22 | MonkeyDust | never mind, just found this ... fsck -t ext3 -l bad-blocks /dev/sdc1 |
| 17:54.48 | MonkeyDust | robin_debspace what would be the syntax (/dev/sda) |
| 17:55.33 | Mjbmr | I use lighttpd 1.5 which has more stuff, we has set server vars for each vhost. |
| 17:55.41 | Mjbmr | s/we has/we can/ |
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| 17:56.08 | robin_debspace | MonkeyDust: oh, yes, could be that it's actually fsck, it's been ages since I've last done that… and I'm not sure, best idea probably would be to run it with the —help flag or read the manpage :-) |
| 17:57.03 | break19 | fsck? so old fashioned. :p |
| 17:57.22 | break19 | lovingly pets his zfs filesystem |
| 17:57.27 | MonkeyDust | break19 any other hints&tips? |
| 17:57.42 | ravenzz | is ggrep actually a program or my sysadmin made a script? |
| 17:58.05 | break19 | MonkeyDust: fsck is fine for your old ext3 fs. |
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| 17:59.05 | peterrooney | ravenzz: apt-file search ggrep |
| 17:59.07 | robin_debspace | break19: excuse my lack of knowledge, but would you mind explaining what is so great about zfs? |
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| 17:59.55 | peterrooney | ravenzz: I'd put my quarter on your sysadmin. |
| 18:00.04 | MonkeyDust | whattayaknow, debian uses ext3 |
| 18:00.28 | MonkeyDust | (ubuntu user, used to ext4) |
| 18:00.38 | break19 | robin_debspace: "hmm.. I'm about to try something very dangerous to my system.. zfs snapshot pool/root@saveme" |
| 18:00.56 | break19 | do my dangerous thing, and it breaks my system.. "oops... zfs rollback" |
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| 18:01.12 | robin_debspace | MonkeyDust: no, you don't *have to* use ext3, you could have chosen another file system in the installer, at least if you had done manual disk partitioning. |
| 18:01.13 | break19 | just for starters |
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| 18:01.40 | ravenzz | peterrooney I don't even have apt-file |
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| 18:02.46 | ravenzz | peterrooney it should be some script that cat and grep and also print out the file's path |
| 18:02.56 | robin_debspace | break19: so zfs creates snapshots and can restore them if something goes boom or what? |
| 18:03.15 | break19 | robinsmidsrod: more than that.. I can boot off the snapshot |
| 18:03.22 | break19 | robin_debspace: ^ |
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| 18:03.58 | break19 | robin_debspace: I actually can have multiple OSs on the same pool.. without them interfering with each other. :) |
| 18:04.10 | break19 | and they can all share the same hd space |
| 18:04.26 | robin_debspace | break19: ah, sounds pretty neat! :-) So the snapshot gets saved to another disk? |
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| 18:04.35 | break19 | nope. same disk |
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| 18:05.18 | hass | #pardus come here |
| 18:05.26 | hass | #pardus come here new debian room |
| 18:05.29 | robin_debspace | break19: wow, sounds pretty interesting! And why is this *not* the default when installing Debian? haha |
| 18:05.31 | hass | #pardus come here new debian room |
| 18:05.43 | break19 | robin_debspace: because zfs on linux is.... experimental |
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| 18:06.06 | break19 | zfs, as a filesystem is over 10 years old.. and it's JUST NOW making its way to linux |
| 18:07.00 | robin_debspace | break19: haha, OK… I get it! It will be the default in the Debian installer as soon as a more modern filesystem becomes available, lol |
| 18:07.16 | break19 | it was originally a solaris thing.. I've been using it on my freebsd boxes for almost 2 years.. btrfs -wants- to do the same kinda thing, but gpl licensed, rather than cddl license. |
| 18:07.58 | break19 | it probably will never be the default in debian.. CDDL is an open source license.. that is not compatible with the GPLv3 |
| 18:08.21 | robin_debspace | break19: ah, I see. Well, I'm really not sure what's in these licenses to be honest… :-) |
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| 18:09.10 | MonkeyDust | break19 it says here, zfs is not adviced for a 10 year old pc |
| 18:09.19 | pars | new debian room #pardus |
| 18:09.19 | pars | new debian room #pardus |
| 18:09.41 | robin_debspace | break19: btw, how do you like FreeBSD compared to Debian? I was first planning to install the PFSense distribution on my new router, because it already comes with all kinds of firewalling / routing packages and a neat web interface, but it's FreeBSD based and I've got no clue about FreeBSD. |
| 18:09.46 | break19 | debian was the first linux with a decent package management system that I ever used... I started with slack in the mid 90s. I downloaded 5 floppies of deb |
| 18:09.49 | MonkeyDust | tnx for the advice |
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| 18:11.04 | break19 | robin_debspace: BSD and linux share a lot. I prefer the cohesion of the BSDs. Linux has always felt. piecemeal.. |
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| 18:11.52 | break19 | but I'm not here to convert anyone... I still run linux on my netbook afterall. :P |
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| 18:12.36 | robin_debspace | break19: hmmm, that's an interesting point. Like I said I've never tried using it, but maybe I should try it out. After all, it's… Free! :-) OK, that was lame... |
| 18:13.27 | break19 | lol |
| 18:14.03 | break19 | pfsense is a pretty good firewall system.. I actually use dd-wrt or openwrt depending on which the device supports better... |
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| 18:14.19 | break19 | but, we're dangerously offtopic. and these #debian guys dont put up with that for long. :) |
| 18:14.42 | robin_debspace | break19: haha! And no worries, you didn't come across like you wanted to convert anyone, you've just expressed your personal opinion :-) |
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| 18:15.56 | humbolt | Hey, is there a performance difference between Linux software RAID and these cheap fakeraid implementations? |
| 18:16.41 | humbolt | the onese, which are part of the bios but do not have a dedicated raid chipset. |
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| 18:17.40 | mrtnt | While it's possible to write CD's in a such way: "# mkisofs -r /home/martin/files | ssh martin@10.10.10.1 "wodim -v dev=/dev/scd1 -"" ..then is there a way to write DVD's in a similar way? Looks like growisofs can not use stdin.. Any ideas? |
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| 18:19.32 | squisher | Hi folks, I seem to have a lot of trouble to get an existing debian installation converted to boot in my new uefi pc |
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| 18:20.52 | squisher | I managed to get grub-efi as a shell installed, but it just says "error: no suitable mode found. Booting however" and then hangs |
| 18:20.53 | bool | Since wheezy is frozen... does that mean it will not include gnome 3.4 ? |
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| 18:21.01 | Uuni | Hello I need help |
| 18:21.04 | Uuni | http://i.imgur.com/sI8hQ.png |
| 18:21.15 | Uuni | Why does my gtk2 theme look like this if I have all the packages downloaded |
| 18:21.31 | Uuni | It should look like this: http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/146053-2.png |
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| 18:23.52 | Uuni | LtL, you there |
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| 18:25.46 | sazz | come in new debian room #pardus |
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| 18:57.40 | LtL | Uuni: yessir |
| 18:58.28 | Uuni | http://i.imgur.com/sI8hQ.png |
| 18:58.31 | Uuni | Why does my gtk2 theme look like this if I have all the packages downloaded |
| 18:58.34 | Uuni | It should look like this: http://gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre2/146053-2.png |
| 18:58.39 | Uuni | LtL, ^ |
| 18:59.16 | wobster | ManoftheSea, my issue is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=684708 . so, quite an up-to-date issue. |
| 18:59.28 | wobster | ManoftheSea, just for reference. |
| 18:59.53 | wobster | add mdmon alone to initrd and off it goes. |
| 19:00.02 | LtL | Uuni: i'm not sure, have you tweaked or mis-set your gnome theme? |
| 19:00.32 | Uuni | I have xfce |
| 19:00.39 | Uuni | and i downloaded the gtk2 engines |
| 19:00.44 | Uuni | and downloaded a gtk2 theme |
| 19:00.49 | Uuni | and put the theme on |
| 19:00.54 | Uuni | and it looks stupid |
| 19:01.48 | LtL | Uuni: ah, well, i haven't used xfce for a decade, but i'm sure with a little adjusting it will look right. often a logout/login helps for what it's worth. |
| 19:02.05 | Uuni | I did do that |
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| 19:05.22 | LtL | Uuni: you sure you're using the correct theme |
| 19:05.45 | LtL | Uuni: there are many |
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| 19:06.20 | Uuni | yes? |
| 19:06.23 | Uuni | I downloaded this |
| 19:06.40 | Uuni | right from that link |
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| 19:07.36 | LtL | Uuni: browse synaptic, or apt-get, aptitude for available themes, do you have any other themes loaded in your menu? |
| 19:08.26 | LtL | Uuni: if that's your biggest concern, you're having a good day! You'll get it :) |
| 19:08.56 | Uuni | Thanks bud |
| 19:09.36 | LtL | Uuni: take care :) ps. i think it looks fine |
| 19:09.51 | Uuni | Yeah man, but it's not exact |
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| 19:10.01 | LtL | Uuni: minor tweaks, transparenct etc |
| 19:10.21 | LtL | Uuni: transparency* |
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| 19:11.38 | LtL | Uuni: note, if youre on gnome/squeeze this is nice, 'gconftool-2 -s '/apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager' --type bool true' - no quotes. |
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| 19:17.11 | Brustofski-Fan | Is there a liveCD for the powerpc? an old g4 |
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| 19:19.42 | baronobeefdip | does anyone know how to make proftpd log you in without using a password (like the ssh-keygen thing) |
| 19:20.03 | baronobeefdip | and I am not talking about anonymous access, i mean access as a regular user but without a password |
| 19:20.29 | specing | simple |
| 19:20.32 | specing | use SSH |
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| 19:21.07 | baronobeefdip | i don't want to use ssh, I want to make proftpd log me in without using a password, but as a regular user |
| 19:21.09 | jelly-home | baronobeefdip: does is absolutely have to be ftp? |
| 19:21.14 | baronobeefdip | yes |
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| 19:21.24 | specing | FTP is like a billion years old |
| 19:21.30 | specing | just stop using it ffs |
| 19:21.42 | baronobeefdip | nobody want to stop using it |
| 19:21.49 | jelly-home | baronobeefdip: investigate whether your ftp service supports SSL and client SSL certificates for authentication |
| 19:21.51 | specing | God kills a kitten everytime one makes a FTP transfer... :( |
| 19:21.54 | baronobeefdip | over where I am for research purposes |
| 19:22.00 | specing | Save the kittens!!! |
| 19:22.16 | baronobeefdip | does proftpd support sll and client sll |
| 19:22.16 | LV-426 | hey, wget seems to choke on ipv6 literals, eg. wget -6 http://[::1]:8080/ - any alternative ? |
| 19:22.33 | jelly-home | baronobeefdip: setting up those will be more annoying for your users than switching to ssh (sftp) |
| 19:22.48 | ansgar | specing: Debian uses FTP for package uploads. |
| 19:22.56 | jelly-home | LV-426: what's the error you get? |
| 19:23.00 | Dagger2 | LV-426: that works fine for me. curl is the one that chokes on v6 literals in my experience |
| 19:23.35 | baronobeefdip | well it's what everyone over here wants for some reason, I did suggest ssh but they want to experiment with ftp for some reason. I guess i'll try the ssl stuff |
| 19:23.38 | LV-426 | i get 'bad port number' |
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| 19:24.05 | LordShiva | I use ftp sometime for downloading from debian archives its faster well sometimes :) |
| 19:24.08 | LV-426 | wget 1.14-1 |
| 19:24.20 | baronobeefdip | but will this allow me to acess the ftp server without using a password after only using it once |
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| 19:24.33 | jelly-home | LV-426: which Debian release are you using? Have you quoted the URL in shell to avoid shell interpreting [] as glob? |
| 19:24.44 | baronobeefdip | i am using squeeze |
| 19:24.53 | specing | ansgar: Im a Gentoo guy :) |
| 19:24.59 | jelly-home | ,v wget |
| 19:25.00 | judd | Package: wget on i386 -- lenny: 1.11.4-2+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.11.4-2+lenny2; squeeze: 1.12-2.1; wheezy: 1.13.4-3; sid: 1.14-1 |
| 19:25.08 | Iridos | baronobeefdip, try to tell them sftp is a type of ftp? I dunno... passwordless ftp for real users sounds like open access for any intruder |
| 19:25.46 | baronobeefdip | we are researching and experimenting with the different insecure scenarios in our lab |
| 19:26.18 | baronobeefdip | even though it seems unlikely that ftp will be left inguarded for a regular user it just came up out of nowhere |
| 19:26.20 | LV-426 | jelly-home, +1, by bad... quote issue. |
| 19:26.35 | baronobeefdip | unguarded i meant to say |
| 19:26.39 | specing | baronobeefdip: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 19:26.46 | specing | Short: don't use ftp |
| 19:26.52 | specing | really. |
| 19:27.13 | Iridos | baronobeefdip, well... or you can set it up as anonymous ftp with directories for each user |
| 19:28.00 | baronobeefdip | we want to see it anyway despite the risks, we are not setting anything up for businesses or something we are just wanting to test a few things out with it in the lab, is there a way to do it because i am tired of hearing people answer me by saying don't do it. i want to know if it can be done |
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| 19:28.07 | swigfist | ifconfig -a |
| 19:28.09 | LordShiva | ,v xfwm4 |
| 19:28.10 | judd | Package: xfwm4 on i386 -- lenny: 4.4.2-5; lenny-backports: 4.6.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.6.2-1; sid: 4.8.3-2; wheezy: 4.8.3-2; experimental: 4.10.0-3 |
| 19:28.42 | swigfist | facepalms |
| 19:28.59 | specing | baronobeefdip: take some time and read what I gave you |
| 19:29.19 | specing | just so you know what you are up to, if it doesen't convince you into dropping it |
| 19:29.34 | baronobeefdip | i am reading it right now and it seems that you are still trying to convince me to not use it still, i want to know if it can be done |
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| 19:30.21 | specing | don't use it |
| 19:30.32 | specing | don't even waste your time thinking about using it |
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| 19:37.12 | Iridos | baronobeefdip, yes... simple... have passwordless accounts for the user |
| 19:37.30 | AmoN_AmartH | LOL |
| 19:37.38 | AmoN_AmartH | what this people talking about |
| 19:38.00 | specing | ftpcrap |
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| 19:39.20 | AmoN_AmartH | ROFL |
| 19:39.26 | AmoN_AmartH | !stats |
| 19:39.26 | dpkg | Since Sat Sep 22 11:05:03 2012, there have been 0 modifications, 22 questions, 5 dunnos, 0 morons and 7 commands. I have been awake for 8h 34m 20s this session, and currently reference 39609 factoids. I'm using about 18608 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 35.43/1.99 child 0/0.01 |
| 19:39.29 | AmoN_AmartH | !radio |
| 19:39.30 | dpkg | well, radio is triplej.abc.net.au, or http://radioactive.fm |
| 19:39.50 | AmoN_AmartH | hmmm |
| 19:39.54 | AmoN_AmartH | !films |
| 19:39.57 | AmoN_AmartH | lol |
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| 19:40.04 | AmoN_AmartH | !musuc |
| 19:40.16 | AmoN_AmartH | !hollywood |
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| 19:40.21 | DelphiWorld | hello everyone |
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| 19:40.33 | DelphiWorld | anyone can tel me how to enter a debootstrap chroot ? |
| 19:40.34 | AmoN_AmartH | yo delphiworld |
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| 19:40.49 | AmoN_AmartH | i dont no man |
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| 19:41.02 | DelphiWorld | :) |
| 19:41.26 | DelphiWorld | AmoN_AmartH: MOROCCO! :) |
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| 19:41.59 | baronobeefdip | I am changing the subject then, Sorry that anyone has ever thought about it, I want to know that if there is a way to test a cluster |
| 19:42.56 | baronobeefdip | plus is there any good roller coaster simulation programs out there |
| 19:42.58 | baronobeefdip | for linux |
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| 19:44.26 | Amtrask | Could someone please point me to the torrent for the latest release of Debian for ARM? I cannot for the life of me find it on the Debian website |
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| 19:45.25 | Tramp | !arm |
| 19:45.25 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at Debian 5.0 with official support dropped at Debian 6.0, ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:46.10 | DelphiWorld | i am having this error while chrooting: http://paste.debian.net/ the command is LC_ALL=C chroot /cf /bin/bash |
| 19:46.12 | Amtrask | thanks Tramp |
| 19:46.18 | Tramp | yw |
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| 19:47.18 | Iridos | well, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/armel/bt-cd/ but he's already gorn |
| 19:47.29 | Iridos | *sigh* |
| 19:48.59 | baronobeefdip | i just found grand8 it seems fine just need to get it working, another option was nolimits |
| 19:49.04 | nkuttler | ok, let's see if my desktop stops being so unresponsive with nouveau instead of nvidia.. |
| 19:49.07 | baronobeefdip | but that requires wine |
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| 19:56.33 | break19 | yea.. I need wine to run windows apps too.. cuz if I aint drunk, it aint running on MY computer. |
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| 19:58.08 | pzn | just did an apt-get upgrade to get this week asterisk security upgrade... now the command "sip show peers" does not work anymore. anyone knows if there was a regression in security update of asterisk? |
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| 20:00.55 | killsto | Has anybody had battery problems with wheezy? |
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| 20:04.29 | AmoN_AmartH | (^_^) |
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| 20:08.43 | specing | pzn: looks like latest asterisk package is broken |
| 20:09.45 | pzn | specing, then I'll downgrade to previous one and wait... |
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| 20:16.10 | SiDz | anyone know the syntax of /etc/debsums-ignore ? can't find it |
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| 20:16.35 | project2501b | Debian; It's Linux for Daleks |
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| 20:18.14 | Iridos | I didn't even know wheezy came with a battery! |
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| 20:18.49 | SiDz | it's like no one in the world know the syntax of /etc/debsums-ignore |
| 20:18.57 | SiDz | im asking for like 5 days |
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| 20:20.53 | Iridos | SiDz, that file isn't even mentioned in the manpage... who says it's official |
| 20:20.59 | LtL | SiDz: the only similar option i see in the man page is --ignore-permissions |
| 20:21.39 | Iridos | and inofficial features can break/change without notice |
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| 20:21.47 | SiDz | Iridos the package debsums create /etc/debsums-ignore |
| 20:21.48 | Iridos | looks like you'll have to look in the source for the format |
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| 20:21.59 | Iridos | yes, I saw it |
| 20:22.02 | LtL | SiDz: correction, that file exists here but its empty. |
| 20:22.02 | maxxe | debian is nice, however if i would try something else i would try freebsd =) |
| 20:23.13 | SiDz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=88951 only place where i could find something about syntax in /etc/debsums-ignore |
| 20:23.19 | SiDz | but that syntax doesn't work for me |
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| 20:30.12 | Iridos | SiDz, that syntax should be ok... read /usr/share/doc/debsums/README |
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| 20:35.56 | LV-426 | is there any ncurses interface to the ip command? something that would allow you to arrow-select an interface address & hit 'd' instead of copying it into an ip shell command ? |
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| 20:40.44 | Iridos | doubt it |
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| 20:42.20 | simonlnu | nope |
| 20:42.35 | simonlnu | ip <tab> in zsh |
| 20:46.45 | LV-426 | I don't suppose that will suggest routes/addresses after 'ip [ra] d <tab>' ? |
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| 21:20.32 | GNU\colossus | does anyone know if "Western Digital My Book Live" NAS really contain a "modified Debian" as their OS? |
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| 21:31.16 | Zee | hello |
| 21:31.30 | Zee | is dd better than rsync? |
| 21:31.36 | Zee | for a complete backup of / |
| 21:31.54 | Zee | and /boot |
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| 21:32.39 | tremon | it's a different tool, for a different purpose. Which is better depends on your recovery model |
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| 21:33.17 | Zee | worst case scenario, harddisk brakes, i buy a new and want to restore |
| 21:33.36 | Zee | or, i fuck up all files by doing a wrong chmod command, while being drunk |
| 21:33.42 | Zee | or stuff like that |
| 21:33.45 | tremon | if you want to do bare-metal restore, or need an exact duplicate, then use dd. If you're only interested in the contents of files, use rsync |
| 21:34.04 | tremon | ok, still depends. How large is your / partition? |
| 21:34.23 | Iridos | there's also a lot solutions/programs more specifically geared towards backups |
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| 21:34.48 | Zee | my / is about 20gb |
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| 21:35.34 | Zee | the partition itself is 44.8 gb |
| 21:35.51 | Iridos | like rsnapshot (or a couple of others) instead of rsync |
| 21:35.57 | Zee | rsnapshot |
| 21:36.00 | Zee | i dont know it |
| 21:36.20 | Zee | but i want a complete backup of / as it is right now.. |
| 21:36.20 | tremon | ok, then a rsync-based restore would require you to re-partition a new drive, format it, and restore 20GB of data |
| 21:36.28 | Iridos | or partimage instead of dd |
| 21:36.33 | Zee | and then later install rsync to make incremental backups |
| 21:36.48 | Zee | partimage.. |
| 21:36.51 | Zee | i dont know it |
| 21:36.55 | Iridos | apt-cache show ... |
| 21:36.58 | tremon | a dd-based restore would still require to re-partition the new drive, but you would need to restore the exact 44GB and the new partition cannot be smaller than that |
| 21:37.11 | tremon | s/exact/complete |
| 21:37.19 | Iridos | Zee, try e.g. apt-cache show rsnapshot |
| 21:37.44 | Zee | hmm |
| 21:37.56 | Zee | dd is not an option then |
| 21:38.01 | tremon | zee: the only part where dd is more complete than rsync is in deleted files, unused space and the filesystem id |
| 21:38.04 | Zee | i want to make a backup over lan |
| 21:38.41 | Zee | theres no reason to make complete backup of 20 gb unused space |
| 21:38.53 | tremon | then dd is not your tool :) |
| 21:39.00 | iateadonut | is it possible to keep 640 rights on a file and also add a user with setfacl with rw permissions? |
| 21:39.10 | Zee | rsnapshot looks interesting |
| 21:39.38 | Zee | but so does partimage |
| 21:39.48 | iateadonut | Is there another way to do this? (Keep permissions at 640 and grant rw access to another user?) |
| 21:39.57 | nsadmin | , v partman |
| 21:39.59 | judd | No package named 'partman' was found in i386. |
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| 21:41.07 | nsadmin | iateadonut, the 0 is "everyone else" to which you grant no perm... you could put someone in the group |
| 21:41.14 | Iridos | Zee, there's lots more, actually... problem is a bit that there's just too much choice. apt-cache search disk backup |
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| 21:41.44 | nsadmin | that's the extent of it if it's just unix-style perms... so outside of that you could look into adding acl support and using that |
| 21:42.13 | iateadonut | nsadmin - i'd like to keep group permission at 4, but give another user 6 permission |
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| 21:42.38 | nsadmin | then you'd need to go outside of pure unix-style perms |
| 21:43.01 | Zee | tremon: which of rsync, partimage or rsnapshot would be easier to restore from, if theres dataloss/disk loss |
| 21:43.02 | nsadmin | which may mean you need full (root) control over that box |
| 21:43.06 | iateadonut | but acl needs a mask (which sets highest possible permission for acl), and the group permission corresponds to the mask |
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| 21:43.48 | Zee | tremon: keep in mind, the backup has to run over LAN to another debian server |
| 21:44.16 | nsadmin | hmm, wasn't aware of that... so you're saying that if you add acls, you effectively change the meaning of the underlying permission bits |
| 21:44.18 | nsadmin | ? |
| 21:44.28 | simonlnu | partman is part of the installer, and not packaged as a .deb |
| 21:44.43 | nsadmin | why the heck not :) |
| 21:44.52 | tremon | Zee: I'm not familiar with partimage, but it depends on the kind of failure. If the system is still running, rsync can be used to restore files very quickly |
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| 21:45.12 | Zee | tremon, lets assume the system cannot boot |
| 21:45.19 | tremon | I imagine rsnapshot can do the same, because it's based on rsync |
| 21:45.51 | tremon | partimage sounds like a tool that is built to restore a complete system/partition |
| 21:46.04 | Iridos | Zee, restoring the whole disk will be easier with full images... partial restores will be easier with rsnapshot |
| 21:46.05 | Zee | yes. it looks like that to me as well |
| 21:46.42 | Zee | but in order to use rsnapshot, i would have to reinstall debian to a new harddrive and then call the rsnapshot backup? |
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| 21:47.07 | Zee | as I understand it, i can reinstall my system with the partimage backup |
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| 21:47.25 | Iridos | depends... if you backup the whole system, you can restore it.. but you will have to rerun grub to make the disk bootable |
| 21:47.28 | Zee | or would i have to install debian and then recover from the partimage backup? |
| 21:47.53 | tremon | however, if a system doesn't boot you first need a way to boot into that system again. Most live-cd's have rsync support, for partimage you probably need a pi-specific boot disk |
| 21:48.12 | iateadonut | nsadmin, yeah, it says in the manual: If the ACL has an ACL_MASK |
| 21:48.13 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.27 | tremon | that's either a drawback or a pro, depending on your requirements |
| 21:48.28 | Zee | then i suppose rsync has a strenght over the others.. |
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| 21:48.45 | Iridos | oh, I just see partimage doesn't support ext4 |
| 21:48.47 | Zee | i can restore with rsync from a livecd |
| 21:49.00 | Zee | is this correct? |
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| 21:49.29 | tremon | well, I see that partimage has its own systemrescue cd. That means you have a live-cd that's specifically geared towards restore, so probably less manual intervention |
| 21:50.16 | Zee | could i make a partimage backup to a bluray 25gb disk? |
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| 21:50.27 | Zee | and then just insert that disk to restore everything? |
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| 21:53.17 | ner0x | How can I tell rsync to maintain permissions and ownership? |
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| 21:54.30 | tremon | ner0x: man rsync, search for "perm" or "owner" ? |
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| 21:56.34 | nsadmin | that -might- be the default if you run it as root (you can't chown if you're not root anyway) |
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| 22:14.24 | Zee | question |
| 22:14.51 | Zee | can I unmount / and /boot while on the system to make a partimage backup? |
| 22:15.09 | nsadmin | well you can'tunmount / |
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| 22:15.26 | Zee | partimage tells me to unmount before it can make a backup.. |
| 22:15.28 | break19 | uhm /boot ? probably. / ? no |
| 22:15.28 | nsadmin | what you can do is boot into single user mode |
| 22:15.47 | Zee | boot into single user mode? |
| 22:15.59 | nsadmin | you use grub? |
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| 22:17.26 | Zee | thats not really an answer nsadmin |
| 22:17.34 | nsadmin | nope, it's a question |
| 22:18.27 | nsadmin | would you say I have carte blanch to do whatever I want in interaction with you so long as it serves you? |
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| 22:19.09 | Zee | would you say I have to answer that question just to make you feel better about your IQ? |
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| 22:19.49 | nsadmin | ok, I guess you don't understand the word "volunteer"... good luck with that |
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| 22:20.21 | Iridos | duh... that makes partimage pretty much unusable for daily backup purposes... sorry, didn't know that... I used rsnapshot for quite some time, but not partimage |
| 22:20.41 | nsadmin | I usually use tar |
| 22:20.54 | Iridos | but I guess makes sense |
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| 22:21.15 | Zee | i think partimage would make do for a single use, complete backup.. I figure i would boot from the livecd and run partimage from there |
| 22:21.19 | Iridos | still might be good to make an image to restore the system from occasionally |
| 22:21.20 | p_masho | I've installed apache2 on debian. but a2enmod is missing... and ideas how to install ? |
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| 22:21.55 | Iridos | well, yes, but I wouldn't be willing to boot daily from a live-cd to make a backup |
| 22:22.16 | Zee | no, its just that my server is tweaked and configured 100% as it should be.. |
| 22:22.24 | Zee | its taken over a week to make it as it is.. |
| 22:22.32 | Zee | so I want to make a backup as it is now |
| 22:22.55 | Zee | ill use partimage for that.. Through livecd it should be no problem with unmounted drives. |
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| 22:23.09 | Iridos | p_masho, it's in apache2.2-common |
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| 22:23.17 | Zee | for daily use ill look into rsync and rsnapshot |
| 22:23.19 | Iridos | dpkg, tell p_masho about apt-file |
| 22:23.45 | Zee | dpkg, tell Zee about rsync |
| 22:24.04 | nsadmin | use (cd / ; tar --one-file-system cpf /path/to/space/for/root.tar .) |
| 22:24.12 | p_masho | Iridos: >> apache2.2-common is already the newest version. ? |
| 22:24.17 | nsadmin | then you can back up / partition |
| 22:24.47 | Zee | nsadmin, so youre saying use tar for a backup? |
| 22:24.47 | bolt | I made a /etc/udev/rules.d/99-usb4adm.rules which sets the group of USB devices to "adm" (SUBSYSTEM=="usb", GROUP="adm", MODE="0660"). However, when I plug in this device, syslog shows udev reading 99-usb4adm.rules and setting group to "adm", and *then* reading /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules which sets the group to "dialout". Is everything in /etc read before /lib regardless of the number? Do I have to put my modifications in /lib ? |
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| 22:25.32 | Iridos | p_masho, it's in /usr/sbin and not in your path if you're not root |
| 22:25.39 | Zee | dpkg, tell Zee about rsnapshot |
| 22:25.52 | Iridos | dpkg, tell zee about selftell |
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| 22:26.39 | nsadmin | when you restore, use a separate os (that does NOT use the / you backed up), mount the / partition on somewhere like /mnt, then do (cd /mnt ; tar xpf /path/to/space/for/root.tar) |
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| 22:27.04 | p_masho | Iridos: ta ;-)) |
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| 22:27.37 | Zee | nsadmin, does this kind of backing up also include symlinks and dot files etc? |
| 22:27.43 | nsadmin | Zee, what I'm saying is you -can- do that (say, if you wish separate image files per partition) in order to accomplish the goal of backing up completely |
| 22:27.47 | nsadmin | yes |
| 22:28.08 | nsadmin | everything on the / partition |
| 22:28.11 | Zee | ok |
| 22:28.12 | queso | When there are packages that can be updated, is there a convenient way to see release notes for the new version of the package? aka, what bug fixes, new features, or security vulnerabilites are being addresses? Say, for example, in aptitude? |
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| 22:28.36 | nsadmin | having said that, you may find a solution you like better |
| 22:28.43 | queso | s/addresses/addressed/ |
| 22:28.53 | nsadmin | tar has been used for this purpose -forever- |
| 22:28.54 | Zee | theres a ton of solutions.. its only getting more confusing.. |
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| 22:29.34 | Iridos | queso, aptitude changelog <packagename> |
| 22:29.35 | nsadmin | so, put it in your bagotricks and move on... if you're overwhelmed, just step back for a few and breathe |
| 22:30.05 | queso | Iridos: Thank you |
| 22:30.49 | Zee | my plan: I need 1 complete backup of /boot and / as is right now.. and then I need to find and use a daily incremental backup solution to a remote server |
| 22:31.11 | nsadmin | Zee, also, if you wish to use partimage, check the man page... there could be additional info waiting for you there |
| 22:31.29 | nsadmin | one thing at a time |
| 22:31.45 | nsadmin | first, get a backup initially |
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| 22:32.14 | RLa | http://www.bootchart.org/images/bootchart.debian.mcrae.0.png <- does it mean ntpdate is blocking the boot process about 10 seconds? |
| 22:32.18 | nsadmin | after that, look at incremental solutions (which I believe rsync is one) |
| 22:32.46 | queso | Why does debian stable receive so few updates compared to, say, an ubuntu lts release? |
| 22:32.47 | Zee | i like the notion of partimage allowing me to recover the image from another server, which means I can create the backups and move them to another server, thus securing my data completely if case of "anything" |
| 22:33.04 | Zee | yes, I do believe rsync will be my choice for incremental daily backup |
| 22:33.16 | nsadmin | Zee, then, you're advised to read man partimage |
| 22:33.27 | Zee | yea |
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| 22:34.08 | xand | queso: because it's stable |
| 22:34.27 | xand | so only security updates generally. |
| 22:34.57 | nsadmin | queso, in debian "stable" means things don't change, so if you set something up, it still works |
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| 22:35.14 | queso | xand: Right, but there are very few security updates. Is it that much more secure, too? |
| 22:35.39 | Zee | man is read.. Am I to understand that I can run part image commandlines to create a backup without unmounting? |
| 22:35.40 | xand | queso: there aren't that few... |
| 22:36.09 | nsadmin | Zee, you must have missed that part when you were reading |
| 22:36.37 | Zee | --allowmnt |
| 22:37.00 | nsadmin | yep |
| 22:37.02 | Zee | but it says !dangerous.. Do you have any clue what it means by Dangerous? |
| 22:37.03 | queso | xand: I was doing server updates for a company I work for and many of their servers use ubuntu lts. It was a pain because every week or two there was a kernel update, which meant I'd have to reboot all the machines. With debian stable, I almost never experience a kernel update. I'm just curious what's different. |
| 22:37.29 | nsadmin | Zee, if you're not in single-user mode, files can change |
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| 22:38.49 | bolt | http://paste.debian.net/192041/ <-- anyone familiar with how udev works who can explain why 91-permissions.rules kicks in after 99-usb4adm.rules in this case? I want to set the group to "adm", but 91-permissions.rules overrides it with "dialout" afterwards. |
| 22:38.58 | Zee | nsadmin sure. But I imagine, if I stop all unnecessary services (apache, serviio etc) the system should be not be changing any crucial information in the files? |
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| 22:41.39 | hotwings | anyone know why an sdhc would show up fine (existing debian testing install is on it), but when i boot into the debian testing netinstall, it doesnt show up in the partitioner |
| 22:41.55 | xand | queso: ubuntu lts has more than security updates, it has new versions of things, inc. kernels |
| 22:42.59 | Iridos | my fresh install doesn't seem to have /lib/udev/rules.d/ |
| 22:43.14 | queso | xand: ah, that explains things. that's not cool. |
| 22:43.36 | queso | xand: thank you. |
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| 22:44.26 | nsadmin | Zee, that's what single-user mode does |
| 22:45.07 | Zee | ok |
| 22:45.11 | nsadmin | and what single-user mode is for: no daemons running, no possible change. |
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| 22:45.46 | Zee | and then i ask again, how do i boot into a single user mode? |
| 22:45.51 | nsadmin | is the machine you're backing up a remote? |
| 22:45.54 | Zee | no |
| 22:46.01 | Zee | its here in my living room |
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| 22:46.18 | nsadmin | inorder to answer that question, I have to ask: do you use grub to boot? |
| 22:46.54 | Zee | yes |
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| 22:47.06 | bolt | nevermind. figured it out. the device gets added with subsystem tty after being added as usb. an additional rule specifying that subsystem tty devices with usb in the devpath should also have group "adm" enforces the setting |
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| 22:47.37 | Tramp | bolt: I'm not familiar with udev, but lines 34-36 of your past seem to show, that 99 is applied after 91 - which is consistent with the manpage, section "Rules files" |
| 22:47.56 | bolt | Tramp: see line 127 |
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| 22:48.03 | bolt | but it's because of what i said above |
| 22:48.24 | nsadmin | ok, usually when you install a new kernel, update-grub will automatically add two lines to your menu, one for normal operation (normal boot) and the other for single-user mode |
| 22:48.59 | nsadmin | I say "usually" because this can be configured in /etc/default/grub |
| 22:49.10 | Zee | let me see if i have that.. i have never seen my grub screen |
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| 22:49.46 | nsadmin | it shows up shortly after the booting process starts |
| 22:50.02 | Zee | i only have the option to boot into safe with either wheezy og squeeze kernel |
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| 22:50.26 | Zee | and of course normal boot |
| 22:50.47 | wobster | Is it possible that the kernel parameter root is in a way optional? I experimented with an imsm fakeraid setup (mdadm in initrd still highly buggy) and when the disks could not be assembled (root was given by UUID of the raid root), the kernel booted from one of the member disks (raid1), which of course instantly desynchronized the data. I don't think this is intended. So I wonder whether it did not just stop, when the UUID wasn't fo |
| 22:50.48 | wobster | und. |
| 22:50.50 | nsadmin | so how many lines do you have? and which are you running, squeeze or wheezy? |
| 22:51.03 | wobster | isms, even |
| 22:51.20 | Zee | im running wheezy |
| 22:51.52 | nsadmin | ok, so you should have two lines that boot the wheezy kernel, and they're probably the top two lines |
| 22:51.55 | Zee | i must have 4 lines.. two for 2.6 kernel and 2 for 3.0 kernel |
| 22:52.03 | nsadmin | right |
| 22:52.03 | Zee | each with normal boot or safe mode |
| 22:52.10 | nsadmin | exactly |
| 22:52.53 | Zee | but im only guessing this from viewing the grub file. |
| 22:52.55 | nsadmin | and the 3.x kernel lines should be closer to the top |
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| 22:52.58 | Zee | yea |
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| 22:54.07 | nsadmin | so, that should be all the info you need for single user mode as now you should know how to get into it |
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| 22:55.00 | Zee | single user = safe mode? |
| 22:55.22 | nsadmin | well safe mode sounds like a windows thing, and I'm not sure what that all entails |
| 22:55.42 | Zee | recovery mode or what its called |
| 22:55.48 | Zee | ive never seen the grub |
| 22:56.02 | nsadmin | curious, why not? |
| 22:56.04 | Zee | except once when i installed debian on it |
| 22:56.09 | gasull | My microphone isn't working. My user is in the audio group. How can I troubleshoot this? |
| 22:56.12 | Tramp | bolt: guessing: could this be triggered by the modprobe in line 52, which adds a driver, which registers a tty (it seems) which then runs the matching rules for tty-stuff? |
| 22:56.59 | Zee | nsadmin, my server just sits in the corner and minds its own business with no screen and keyb connected to it |
| 22:57.18 | bolt | Tramp: probably, yes. it's trying to find everything the device is capable of, as far as i'm aware |
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| 22:57.39 | nsadmin | gasull, somewhere (maybe on alsa's website) there is an alsa-info.sh script you would run which collects data on your system and writes it to a pastebin, whose url is returned by the script |
| 22:58.24 | nsadmin | Zee, if it doesn't have some sort of serial console, you would need to hook kbd/monitor to it |
| 22:58.25 | Tramp | bolt: and this tty is not matched by your 99 rule (which only applies to subsystem USB, not subsystem tty) |
| 22:58.29 | Iridos | gasull, usually it's muted... try to unmute everything that might be connected in alsamixer (tab to switch from output to microphones) |
| 22:58.45 | bolt | Tramp: well, it's matched now :) |
| 22:58.59 | Zee | nsadmin, yea, i have a monitor etc. I think ill throw myself into single user mode tomorrow |
| 22:59.09 | Tramp | bolt: and behaves as expected? |
| 22:59.39 | bolt | Tramp: yep |
| 22:59.52 | Zee | i just realized that its smarter to configure my server with rsync before partition backup, so that my system is recovered with my rsync settings in case of the need for partition restore. |
| 22:59.53 | Tramp | glad I could help ... |
| 22:59.58 | partyrakete | party partysani |
| 23:00.19 | nsadmin | Zee, you -could- take a backup today (taking yer chances) and then take one tomorrow |
| 23:00.48 | nsadmin | Zee, that's also a valid choice |
| 23:00.50 | Zee | ill take my chances and hope that debian survives the night :) |
| 23:01.09 | Zee | but i think ill read up on rsync and get that running before backup |
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| 23:02.10 | Zee | I believe i once read somewhere that you can create a text file which can have the file extensions in it, to exclude from incremental backup? |
| 23:02.19 | Zee | is this also valid for directories? |
| 23:02.22 | nsadmin | as long as your hardware is sound it should be fine |
| 23:02.33 | nsadmin | not sure |
| 23:02.37 | bolt | Tramp: :) |
| 23:03.02 | nsadmin | I tried to do a mirror using rsync, never got it quite right |
| 23:03.45 | nsadmin | you do have the rsync man page avail to you, which should give you all of the details |
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| 23:04.24 | Zee | yea |
| 23:04.34 | Zee | but seriously.. |
| 23:04.53 | Zee | that manual is so extensive i kinda gave up.. |
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| 23:05.54 | Iridos | rsnapshot uses rsync, btw |
| 23:05.58 | Iridos | oh well... gn |
| 23:06.08 | nsadmin | you do have a specific purpose in mind which you've already stated... so, read for that purpose |
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| 23:32.11 | Zee | ive created a .sh script |
| 23:32.22 | Zee | ive started the script with #! /bin/bash |
| 23:32.36 | Zee | and then the whole rsync command on second line |
| 23:32.47 | Zee | ive chmodded it +x |
| 23:33.29 | Zee | i get unexpected EOF while looking for matching bklabla |
| 23:33.35 | Zee | what am i doing wrong? |
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| 23:34.45 | Zee | http://pastebin.ca/2206832 |
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| 23:38.18 | ompaul | Zee: very long command line full error message please |
| 23:39.46 | Zee | i had forgotten an ' at the cdrom part :D |
| 23:39.59 | peterrooney | Zee: that script should be only two lines long; I don't know if the fact that it's three is an artifact of pastebin.ca |
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| 23:40.19 | ompaul | Zee: also you have a space in there - get rid of it - it's so ugly I never want to know aabout it again #! /bin/bash |
| 23:43.10 | Zee | hehe |
| 23:43.49 | ompaul | Zee: please paste it in paste.debian.net |
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| 23:44.46 | Zee | I corrected all my errors and rsync is running just fine :D |
| 23:46.04 | ompaul | oh noes something works |
| 23:46.06 | ompaul | ;-) |
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| 23:48.31 | Zee | :P |
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| 23:53.13 | fender0107401 | A stupid question, when I can use debian 7.0? |
| 23:53.56 | Zee | when its released :D |
| 23:54.24 | fender0107401 | How long I still have to wait? |
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| 23:54.46 | Zee | in my oppionion a couple of months |
| 23:54.56 | Zee | but i know alot already are installing wheezy |
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| 23:56.10 | fender0107401 | Good news! |
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