| 00:00.03 | qmr | I'm at the partition disks bit, how do I wipe everything? |
| 00:00.48 | abrotman | is there a Manual Partition method? |
| 00:00.58 | abrotman | go in there, shuld list the partitions, then go in to each one, delete it |
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| 00:01.53 | qmr | right, that's not what I asked for. don't you think an option to delete * is better than deleting everything 1x1? |
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| 00:02.48 | abrotman | depends who you ask, might be confusing to some ... |
| 00:03.28 | qmr | I want 128m /boot, and rest for md ... what's the fastest way to do that? >_> |
| 00:03.55 | themill | any way of doing it would have been faster than arguing about it for 10 minutes |
| 00:04.16 | qmr | I manually created the partitioning I want but the installer refuses to see it |
| 00:04.26 | qmr | fuckit I'll just reboot and wait for my ISO to go over the network again |
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| 00:09.33 | znush | find / -inum ... -print does not find any file; this is due to the "inconsistency", right? |
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| 00:11.24 | znush | oh, and as soon as fsck drops to a shell during normal boot, it does not actually provide a shell (nothing works except ctrl-D); why is that? |
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| 00:13.04 | Urmel79 | nabend |
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| 00:13.14 | Urmel79 | ich hoffe mir kann hier jemand helfen |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | Urmel79: english please |
| 00:13.40 | glockX | hey guys, can some1 please type "sysctl -a | grep tcp" and paste it in pastebin.com ? I need to compare the values with mine |
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| 00:14.55 | Urmel79 | Ok sorry. I hope someone can help me here. |
| 00:15.10 | Urmel79 | I am looking for a debian6-confixx image. can someone help me? |
| 00:15.47 | znush | abrotman: oh, and running fsck on a mounted system does not sound "sane", of course; sorry for that |
| 00:16.12 | abrotman | znush: which filesystem is it? |
| 00:16.14 | qmr | well you can run it if it's mounted ro |
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| 00:17.58 | znush | abrotman: ext3 |
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| 00:18.06 | Urmel79 | I am looking for a debian6-confixx image. can someone help me? |
| 00:18.08 | abrotman | znush: which mount point? |
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| 00:18.14 | abrotman | Urmel79: google cna't ? |
| 00:18.16 | LtL | glockX: not as root, http://paste.debian.net/192688/ |
| 00:18.29 | Urmel79 | not realy |
| 00:18.36 | glockX | LtL, thank you very much! |
| 00:18.46 | LtL | glockX: welcome |
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| 00:19.04 | znush | abrotman: none; i'm running fsck /dev/sda3 right now (which takes a lot of time and is not very verbose) |
| 00:19.33 | abrotman | Urmel79: did you think you ask the people that make Parallels? |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | znush: uhm, you don't mount the filesystem ? |
| 00:20.56 | qmr | so, I have 2x 250gB disks, was thinking of doing 128M for /boot, then the rest for sw raid 1, with LVM on top of that. does that sound sane-ish? |
| 00:21.18 | znush | abrotman: fsck's manpage says "filesys can be a device name (e.g. /dev/hdc1, /dev/sdb2)", so do i still have to mount it manually? |
| 00:21.18 | Urmel79 | I, who have said that there is something not of paralells but it should be something |
| 00:21.33 | Urmel79 | on the internet, but I find nothing |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:21.33 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 00:21.44 | abrotman | znush: i'm asking where it normally mounts ... |
| 00:22.01 | Urmel79 | #debian.de |
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| 00:22.45 | znush | abrotman: i don't know; where does a common debian normally mount /etc, /bin, ...? / i would assume |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | it's your computer, which filesystem has the error? |
| 00:23.37 | znush | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | gives up |
| 00:24.06 | znush | ? |
| 00:24.52 | znush | there are three partitions with three different file systems; one of them (/dev/sda3) is erroneous |
| 00:26.57 | znush | ok, fsck just asked me "Pass4: Checking reference counts ... Unattached inode 12345678 ... Connect to /lost+found<y>?"; i assume <y> is what i should do now, but what exactly does "connecting to /lost+found" mean? |
| 00:27.26 | abrotman | it's a directory, it will put the file in there |
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| 00:30.05 | znush | ah, so so it will point the inode of /lost+found to the actual disk blocks of the "unattached" inode so i can "restore"/retrieve it from /lost+found later manually? |
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| 00:30.15 | znush | be patient with me, please |
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| 00:31.43 | znush | no, it's just temporary, i assume? |
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| 00:37.12 | znush | ok, fsck says that the file system has been modified; let's hope it worked; but what could potentially have caused the inconsistency? |
| 00:37.24 | abrotman | znush: lightning in tulsa |
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| 00:38.25 | znush | no, there was power all the time; there is a battery for this case; i rather assume the system was out of memory, but isn't the file system specifically built to handle this situation? |
| 00:38.27 | Kobaz | so i'm trying to build a kernel (3.5.x), and i'm getting mconf.c:(.text+0x1626): undefined reference to `initscr' and etc. I know this is libncurses, and I have it installed... but it's still not finding the libs |
| 00:38.56 | Kobaz | i have libncurses5 and libncurses5-dev installed. I think it's related to this new multi-arch support changes |
| 00:39.00 | abrotman | znush: a million things can lead to this .. |
| 00:39.03 | znush | is it possible that hardware issues did cause this? maybe a missing block index? |
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| 00:39.14 | abrotman | it is possible, so is a software error |
| 00:41.21 | znush | the system was not consuming a huge amount of file descriptors or something and the file system was not under heavy load at the time of the crash; the system was shut down unporperly a few times earlier, though (force-quitted after heavy memory consumption) |
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| 00:42.30 | znush | is etx* using disk space in the case of unproper quits which is consumed after too many force-quits, maybe? |
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| 00:45.05 | znush | well, that is all just speculation |
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| 00:46.03 | znush | to check if it worked i will have to physically reboot the machine i'm using right now, so i will have to leave #debian; if there are still errors, i feel free to come back |
| 00:46.10 | znush | abrotman: thanks for your help! |
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| 00:47.48 | abrotman | znugh |
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| 01:42.28 | nsadmin | does xfce like a particular xterm-alike? |
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| 01:53.25 | somiaj | I don't see why it would matter what terminal you used, though I'm sure xfce comes with its default. |
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| 01:54.37 | somiaj | seems xfce uses a terminal emulator known as terminal |
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| 01:58.43 | nsadmin | somiaj, thanks... does xfce depend on terminal? |
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| 02:30.19 | dvs | !qotd37 |
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| 02:34.20 | sha0 | Good day to all. Does the "multi-arch" 6.0.5 .ISO have both 32- and 64-bit installation options, or is it some kind of primarily 64-bit thing with 32-bit compatibility, or something? |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | sha0: yes, both |
| 02:36.17 | sha0 | abrotman: Are you saying that the 64-bit installation option will allow for 32-bit binaries to run? |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | i'm saying you can install either 64bit or 32bit |
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| 02:37.26 | dvs | sha0: They have both archs in one installer. |
| 02:37.27 | abrotman | and yes, you can setup a 32bit chroot inside a 64bit install to run 32bit apps |
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| 02:38.20 | sha0 | The installer might detect my system as being 64-bit, but I want to force only a 32-bit installation, can I use the multi-arch CD for this? I want to keep it around in case I want to install 64 bits on another computer. |
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| 02:42.48 | nsadmin | sha0, that should work |
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| 02:43.15 | sha0 | nsadmin: Awesome! I guess I'll see 32- or 64- somewhere in the installation process. :) |
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| 02:43.30 | dvs | sha0: At the beginning. |
| 02:43.35 | dvs | I hope |
| 02:43.40 | abrotman | yes, it gives you the option |
| 02:43.46 | sha0 | Yay! |
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| 02:47.44 | sha0 | Hmm... The multi-arch .ISO is called "debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst"... I wonder if that means it has very little in the way of packages on it, even though it's 417 MB. |
| 02:48.05 | abrotman | it has the netinst for each one |
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| 02:48.49 | sha0 | boggles at a 208.5 MB netinst. |
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| 02:49.18 | sha0 | I guess that maybe the multi-arch DVD is what I want, at 4.4 GB... |
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| 02:49.56 | nsadmin | or the multiarch netinst which should be much smaller |
| 02:50.10 | nsadmin | more than 8 times smaller |
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| 02:50.44 | abrotman | sha0: netinst is a bit of misnomer .. you don't actually need internet to complete the install |
| 02:50.47 | sha0 | I sort of wanted a majority of packages for offline use. |
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| 02:51.00 | abrotman | sha0: a "majority" is 8 DVDs :) |
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| 02:51.15 | sha0 | I guess I don't know what "base system" includes; my biggest problem. |
| 02:51.31 | sha0 | abrotman: Oh yeah, well I must not mean that. Oops. |
| 02:51.36 | abrotman | sha0: enough to have a functional CLI system |
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| 02:51.51 | sha0 | No X. Hmm... |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | sha0: that might be on the DVD though, but i can't say |
| 02:52.12 | nsadmin | right; you'd install that after the base is installed |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | but really, you just use the netinst, get everything after |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | can't remember the last time he used something bigger than the netinst to install a Debian box |
| 02:53.07 | sha0 | Well, doesn't quite help without an Internet connection. A position I might find myself in, some day. |
| 02:53.20 | dvs | a breadbox? |
| 02:53.27 | sha0 | I wonder if DVD #2 has the X. |
| 02:53.27 | abrotman | sha0: right, but if the package you want isn't on DVD1, you'd be in the same spot |
| 02:53.52 | sha0 | Yeah |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | sha0: if you get DVD1 for i386 and amd64 (the full DVDs), they'll have X |
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| 02:54.13 | abrotman | but really, the netinst is generally fine |
| 02:54.16 | sha0 | abrotman: But not the DVD 1 for multi-arch |
| 02:54.38 | abrotman | sha0: that i can't say ... |
| 02:54.41 | sha0 | Ok. |
| 02:54.45 | abrotman | !tell sha0 about cd contents |
| 02:55.09 | sha0 | Aha. |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | bleh, doesn't say for multiarch ? |
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| 02:55.22 | sha0 | pets dpkg |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-dvd/ |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | wait, no .. |
| 02:55.53 | nsadmin | !pet sha0 |
| 02:56.06 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/list-dvd/ .. there we go |
| 02:56.12 | nsadmin | someone got rid of that one :) |
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| 02:56.58 | sha0 | !pet dpkg |
| 02:57.05 | sha0 | D'oh well. |
| 02:57.07 | abrotman | can we uh .. stop with the bot ? |
| 02:57.32 | sha0 | Sure. |
| 02:57.53 | sha0 | I'll peruse the list of files that you kindly shared. |
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| 03:07.36 | Vasistha | I upgraded Dad's computer from 2 GB to 16 GB RAM. I'm presently running memtest86+ and it seems to be doing okay. |
| 03:07.52 | sha0 | Heh. |
| 03:08.03 | Vasistha | However it still has a 32 bit kernel on it, and I am wondering if that is going to cause problems - if I should physically remove memory in excess of 4 GB |
| 03:08.15 | bradleyayers | I'd like to install the package that provides a command |
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| 03:08.28 | Vasistha | It has hung a couple times, and I'm not sure if it's related but I don't like this: http://pastebin.ca/2207452 |
| 03:08.32 | bradleyayers | when i type command, bash tells me it's not installed and is able to make a suggestion to me |
| 03:08.47 | bradleyayers | but i can't figure out between apt-get/dpkg how to make this work |
| 03:09.09 | Vasistha | bradleyayers: I usually use google :P |
| 03:09.12 | bradleyayers | i found apt-file, but that seems to use a different set of metadata from aptitude, which means it downloads 30MB or so |
| 03:09.18 | bradleyayers | well, i've tried, and failed |
| 03:09.26 | bradleyayers | so i thought i may get some help here :( |
| 03:09.50 | Vasistha | bradleyayers: is there one in particular you're looking for now? or are you more concerned with addressing the general problem? |
| 03:09.56 | bradleyayers | the general problem |
| 03:10.28 | bradleyayers | i'm writing a script to setup a VM, and i want to handle ubuntu 10.04 and ubuntu 11.04, "timeout" is part of the "timeout" package in 10.04, but part of coreutils in 11.04 |
| 03:11.24 | bradleyayers | so i thought the best approach here is just ask the package manager which package provides /usr/bin/timeout |
| 03:11.51 | Vasistha | how about just use "which timeout" and if it's not there then install package timeout |
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| 03:13.55 | sha0 | bradleyayers: Are you pondering the "command-not-found" package? |
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| 03:15.06 | bradleyayers | Vasistha: well on 11.04 timeout is a virtual package and causes http://dpaste.com/805546/ |
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| 03:15.25 | Vasistha | dude ask #ubuntu |
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| 03:15.33 | Vasistha | you crossed the line |
| 03:15.43 | bradleyayers | ok, thanks |
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| 03:16.26 | bradleyayers | sha0: well yes, i'm curious how that works |
| 03:16.43 | sha0 | Hmm... Maybe it's open source? |
| 03:18.37 | bradleyayers | good idea |
| 03:19.46 | Vasistha | is it dangerous to boot a 32 bit kernel when a machine has 16 GB memory inside it? |
| 03:20.03 | bradleyayers | Vasistha: no, of course not |
| 03:20.08 | sha0 | Vasistha: No. |
| 03:20.31 | Vasistha | hmm. I just installed some memory and I have seen 3 hangs and this weird error message in dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/2207452 |
| 03:20.43 | sha0 | Vasistha: My Windows XP 32-bit only uses 3/4 of my RAM. |
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| 03:21.05 | redwarriors25 | i have a problem detecting new lan card how can i know how to detect |
| 03:21.34 | Vasistha | redwarriors25: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 03:22.57 | sha0 | redwarriors25: Also useful might be 'lspci' |
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| 03:29.18 | redwarriors25 | so the first will the eth? |
| 03:29.27 | redwarriors25 | ty |
| 03:31.04 | Vasistha | memtest86+ found 522 errors, so I'm guessing (hopefully only) one of these new modules is bad. How to figure out which physical module is the culprit? |
| 03:31.23 | sha0 | abrotman: Thanks again. Have a pleasant day, all. |
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| 03:39.51 | redwarriors25 | . |
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| 03:41.53 | LtL | Vasistha: pull one at a time and retest. its usually only one. |
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| 03:59.29 | scanwinder | Hi, I keep getting an error when trying to start dnsmasq. I get "dnsmasq: failed to create listening socket: Address already in use". I have looked at netstat and it doesnt look like anything is using port 53 and, there aren't any other dns servers installed |
| 04:01.41 | i5noc | firewall have it closed? |
| 04:02.04 | jagginess | scanwinder, well dnsmasq by default is installed on ubuntu.. sounds like you're using ubuntu. :) |
| 04:02.26 | scanwinder | i5noc, I haven't configured the firewall to block it and it was working previously. How would i check? |
| 04:02.37 | scanwinder | jagginess, Nope, i'm using debian squeeze |
| 04:03.19 | jagginess | scanwinder, the new netstat app is "ss" |
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| 04:03.36 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 04:03.44 | i5noc | \o |
| 04:04.05 | man_in_shack | what's a decent graphical web browser with few dependencies? |
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| 04:04.15 | jordanm | scanwinder: did you specify -l for netstat when you checked? |
| 04:04.45 | scanwinder | jagginess, when i do ss -a, i can't see anything using port 53 which i thought is the port dnsmasq uses |
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| 04:04.52 | jordanm | jagginess: while `ip` from iproute2 contains all the features `route` and `ifconfig` have to offer, ss still lacks in some features |
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| 04:05.20 | scanwinder | jordanm, I did to netstat -l and there was nothing on port 53 |
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| 04:07.10 | jordanm | scanwinder: does manually running "dnsmasq -p 53" give the same error? are you root |
| 04:07.41 | scanwinder | jordanm: Yes, that gives the same error. And yes, I am root |
| 04:07.58 | jordanm | scanwinder: pastebin netstat -lnap | grep LISTEN |
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| 04:14.18 | scanwinder | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/R6MVpfcr |
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| 04:16.47 | jordanm | scanwinder: what does uname -a say? |
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| 04:18.31 | scanwinder | jordanm: Linux server 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:01:09 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:19.54 | jordanm | scanwinder: can you pastebin your dnsmasq.conf? |
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| 04:22.45 | scanwinder | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/X6ZxfBWV |
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| 04:25.28 | jordanm | scanwinder: ps aux | grep dhclient |
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| 04:27.10 | scanwinder | jordanm: root 1772 0.0 0.0 3304 752 tty1 S+ 12:25 0:00 |
| 04:27.53 | jordanm | scanwinder: that line looks truncated. if there is a dhclient process, try killing it |
| 04:28.31 | scanwinder | jordanm, there is no dhclient process |
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| 04:29.14 | scanwinder | jordanm: do you think dpkg-reconfigure dnsmasq would help? Set it up again |
| 04:29.40 | jordanm | scanwinder: strace -vvtf -s 4000 -o strace.out dnsmasq -p 53 |
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| 04:30.02 | jordanm | scanwinder: compress and upload the strace.out to wikisend.com |
| 04:30.31 | jordanm | scanwinder: that may overwrite the config, it depends on the package |
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| 04:39.00 | scanwinder | jordanm: I will have it soon. THe machine is on an isolated network with no internet right now so gotta set it back to DHCP and plug it into the ohter network to install strace |
| 04:39.53 | scanwinder | jordanm: Actually I just restarted the machine and it launched. Looks like it is working now |
| 04:39.57 | scanwinder | jordanm: Thanks for your help |
| 04:40.05 | jordanm | scanwinder: I probably won't be around tonight a lot longer. what you are looking for are failed system calls prior to it writting the error message to the console |
| 04:40.09 | scanwinder | jordanm: I had restarted it previously but last time it failed |
| 04:40.25 | jordanm | scanwinder: if you can determine exactly how its trying to bind, that should help you a lot in resolving the issue |
| 04:40.34 | jordanm | scanwinder: ah, good |
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| 04:41.08 | scanwinder | jordanm: Thanks for that, I will keep it in mind if it happens again. Although i suspect it's related to my network configuration since was trying to change it over to the other network before i restarted |
| 04:41.40 | jordanm | scanwinder: I suspected it was trying to bind to an address that was not configured on any interface |
| 04:41.55 | jordanm | the error message was misleading |
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| 04:52.28 | majuscule | Can anyone point me towards a clear explanation of how to use dh_auto_configure in a package? |
| 04:53.49 | majuscule | err, i figured out you can use debian/rules to override_dh_auto_configure |
| 04:54.03 | majuscule | but whatever arguments I pass are only appended to the default set |
| 04:54.11 | jordanm | majuscule: the default rules file with dh_make will run dh_auto_configure |
| 04:55.08 | jordanm | majuscule: what do you mean appended to the default set? its calling ./configure with arguments before you provide an override? |
| 04:55.48 | majuscule | jordanm: say I have override_dh_auto_configure: dh_auto_configure -- --test=testing |
| 04:56.14 | majuscule | jordanm: ./configure gets called with a whole bunch of shit like --build, and my param is appended to the end |
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| 04:56.34 | jordanm | majuscule: seems odd. GNU autotools build system? |
| 04:57.23 | majuscule | jordanm: forgive my ignorance here, i believe so |
| 04:57.32 | majuscule | jordanm: i'm trying to package nginx with a patch |
| 04:58.04 | majuscule | i can build from source with ./configure --... && make && make install |
| 04:58.17 | jordanm | majuscule: why didn't you start with the existing nginx source package? |
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| 04:59.08 | jordanm | majuscule: grab the existing source package, use dquilt to track and apply your patch, then rebuild |
| 04:59.33 | majuscule | jordanm: thats a good idea, but i was hoping to do it from scratch. this is a very strange error, i'm sure i'm missing something straightforward |
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| 05:00.39 | majuscule | jordanm: actually, reading the dh_auto_configure man page - it says it does exactly this |
| 05:00.43 | majuscule | appending the args |
| 05:00.54 | jordanm | majuscule: yes, "automagically" |
| 05:01.09 | majuscule | seems strange that there would be no simple way to tell it to listen to me instead? |
| 05:01.30 | jordanm | majuscule: ./configure is really easy to run manually |
| 05:01.51 | majuscule | ? forgive me :-) yes it is. but what is your point? |
| 05:02.19 | jordanm | majuscule: dh_auto_configure doesn't always work, and the manpage suggests simply not using it if it doesn't |
| 05:02.30 | jordanm | majuscule: just call configure manually from the rules file |
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| 05:02.35 | majuscule | ahh |
| 05:03.22 | majuscule | heh |
| 05:03.23 | majuscule | yeah |
| 05:03.32 | majuscule | that does it |
| 05:03.41 | majuscule | i shouldv thought of that myself, thank you jordanm |
| 05:03.49 | majuscule | I like it better this way anyway |
| 05:03.58 | majuscule | no "automagical" for me thank you very much |
| 05:04.17 | jordanm | it's nice when it works |
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| 05:05.33 | majuscule | i believe it |
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| 05:10.36 | ggggbabybabybaby | Is Keith Packard in here I need to talk to him |
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| 05:12.56 | jordanm | ggggbabybabybaby: /who |
| 05:13.38 | ggggbabybabybaby | i didn't dance in high heels all day to be talk to by some guy on irc about how i shouldn't be spoon fed answers |
| 05:15.15 | InternetItself | Fuck off retard |
| 05:15.30 | InternetItself | you looking for a flame war? |
| 05:15.43 | ggggbabybabybaby | honey i'll pull you up by the neckbeard |
| 05:16.21 | InternetItself | I didn't idle in this channel for 12 months just to be mouthed at by a neckbearded teenager |
| 05:16.43 | InternetItself | so kindly leave and don't hit your tail on the way out |
| 05:17.10 | ggggbabybabybaby | I didn't make millions shaking dat ass to be told I'm a teenager when I'm really a 35 year old female that looks 15 |
| 05:17.22 | ggggbabybabybaby | also they cut the tail off at birth |
| 05:17.27 | ggggbabybabybaby | so you can't say that you can't say it |
| 05:17.40 | InternetItself | is this guy for real? |
| 05:18.17 | ggggbabybabybaby | i know you may be seeing things as of late from all the CRT radiation frying your brain like eggs in the morning at denny's but baby baby baby i am real(except for my nose and breasts) |
| 05:18.23 | peterrooney | InternetItself: are you? you haven't been using that nick for 24 hours, even and both of you are way off-topic. |
| 05:18.41 | ggggbabybabybaby | topical lotions only do soo much peterrooney |
| 05:18.47 | ggggbabybabybaby | WHERE IS KEITH PACKARD |
| 05:18.55 | ggggbabybabybaby | I need to yell at him for xlock and memory management issues!!!! |
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| 05:19.36 | InternetItself | peterrooney: it can be out special secret :) |
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| 05:20.47 | InternetItself | ggggbabybabybaby: Might I suggest that you go to the official debian irc network to try and find this fellow? |
| 05:22.00 | ggggbabybabybaby | InternetItself: I want to catch him off guard |
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| 05:23.06 | ggggbabybabybaby | KEITH I KNOW YOU'RE HERE |
| 05:23.10 | InternetItself | ggggbabybabybaby: I am afraid I cannot help you. |
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| 05:23.16 | ggggbabybabybaby | IM THE GIRL YOU MET AS FOSSCON '11 |
| 05:23.25 | InternetItself | please stop this madness at once |
| 05:23.28 | ggggbabybabybaby | WITH THE LAZY EYE AND GAIT |
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| 05:23.42 | ggggbabybabybaby | KEITH YOU RUINED X11 AND MY MARRIAGE |
| 05:24.08 | ggggbabybabybaby | KEITH I LOVE YOU BUT YOU DESERVE TO BE THROWN INTO A PIT OF FIRE |
| 05:24.19 | ectospasm | !ops |
| 05:24.20 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 05:24.22 | ggggbabybabybaby | KEEEEEIIIIIIIIIITH |
| 05:24.28 | ggggbabybabybaby | PACKAAAAAAAAAAAAARD |
| 05:24.31 | InternetItself | !voteban ggggbabybabybaby |
| 05:24.38 | ectospasm | dpkg: ops troll alert |
| 05:24.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: ectospasm complains about: troll alert |
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| 05:24.54 | ggggbabybabybaby | Look at this channel-by-comittee nonsense |
| 05:24.57 | ggggbabybabybaby | just like X11 |
| 05:25.02 | ggggbabybabybaby | THAT IS WHY IT IS SHIT AND CANT GET THINGS DONE |
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| 05:25.09 | ggggbabybabybaby | LIKE +B ON ME |
| 05:25.14 | InternetItself | ggggbabybabybaby: you are a cancer upon this world |
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| 05:25.29 | InternetItself | all women deserve to die |
| 05:25.31 | ggggbabybabybaby | KEITH DID THIS TO YOU ALL |
| 05:25.41 | Losowski | Shouldn't this be off-topic? |
| 05:25.54 | ggggbabybabybaby | KEITH IS BALD AND FAT AND BETA AND LETS PEOPLE READ YOUR EMACS SESSION WHEN RUN IN X |
| 05:26.06 | Losowski | Any #debian ops here? |
| 05:26.14 | ggggbabybabybaby | THEO IS MY NEW LOVER AND HE'LL KICK YOUR FAGGOT GNU ASS |
| 05:26.26 | ggggbabybabybaby | SRS RITE NAO |
| 05:26.30 | InternetItself | ggggbabybabybaby: plz |
| 05:26.36 | ggggbabybabybaby | dicks slappin at mah tenda mouf |
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| 05:26.49 | ggggbabybabybaby | I MEAN FUCK YOU KEITH |
| 05:26.50 | InternetItself | I will give you whatever you desire |
| 05:26.57 | InternetItself | just forgive keith |
| 05:26.59 | ggggbabybabybaby | I want KEITH PACKARDS BALLS |
| 05:27.02 | ggggbabybabybaby | >:\ |
| 05:27.24 | InternetItself | Calm down please. |
| 05:27.29 | ggggbabybabybaby | I want a memory segmented X11 server so my husband can't see me looking at keith package slashfic rule 34 |
| 05:27.30 | InternetItself | we're all rational serious people here |
| 05:27.43 | ggggbabybabybaby | I'm a WOMAN i dont' have to be rational |
| 05:27.57 | InternetItself | go back to #debian-women then |
| 05:28.02 | InternetItself | we don't need your kind here |
| 05:28.35 | jordanm | !ops ggggbabybabybaby |
| 05:28.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jordanm complains about: ggggbabybabybaby |
| 05:28.37 | ggggbabybabybaby | doesn't exist |
| 05:28.43 | ggggbabybabybaby | THEY ARE ALL SLEEPING |
| 05:28.47 | ggggbabybabybaby | WITH KEITH PACKARD |
| 05:29.03 | ggggbabybabybaby | sharing their fluids through broken IPCs |
| 05:29.03 | jordanm | oops, didn't notice someone already did !ops |
| 05:29.32 | InternetItself | you people need some real gestapo ops like #gnu has |
| 05:29.48 | ggggbabybabybaby | what are those |
| 05:29.53 | InternetItself | #gnu takes no prisoners |
| 05:30.08 | jayne | ggggbabybabybaby: this doesn't look very on-topic for #debian |
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| 05:30.43 | ggggbabybabybaby | I'm a USER and I have RIGHTS like being able to address greivances to developers that ruin ecosystems AKA KEITH ASSHAT PACKARD |
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| 05:31.07 | InternetItself | jayne: you can't argue with an internet female |
| 05:31.11 | InternetItself | it's no use |
| 05:31.19 | ggggbabybabybaby | btw this is really tuomov and i'm drunk |
| 05:31.20 | InternetItself | the best you can do is cower in fear and hope they leave |
| 05:31.25 | jayne | ggggbabybabybaby: whatever rights you may have don't extend to using freenode and this channel as a platform to distract from its intended mission. |
| 05:31.50 | Daedalus687 | Well, its intended mission is...? |
| 05:32.01 | ggggbabybabybaby | shoot the shit and bitch about M$ |
| 05:32.04 | Daedalus687 | It seems to me, to facilitate open and free communication |
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| 05:32.10 | IdleOne | Daedalus687: /topic is a handy irc command |
| 05:32.11 | ggggbabybabybaby | LIBRE |
| 05:32.13 | ggggbabybabybaby | EGALITE |
| 05:32.17 | ggggbabybabybaby | FRATERNITE |
| 05:32.34 | InternetItself | Living the GNU/Life |
| 05:32.40 | jayne | If you are concerned about the debian ecosystem, then this might be a good place to discuss it if you can do so in a civil and mutually respectful manner, which doesn't appear to be what's happening. |
| 05:32.56 | Daedalus687 | what is debian? |
| 05:32.58 | jordanm | stop feeding the trolls |
| 05:33.08 | jayne | Daedalus687: a flavor of linux |
| 05:33.42 | ggggbabybabybaby | Debian is a SysV piece of shit that ignored all advances in computer operating system design since 1973 |
| 05:33.45 | Daedalus687 | Who is the troll in this context? |
| 05:34.17 | IdleOne | Daedalus687: usually the loudest person in the room |
| 05:34.19 | ggggbabybabybaby | what percentage of users in this channel have autism |
| 05:34.20 | jayne | ggggbabybabybaby: you probably don't need the swearing, but what advance do you think would be most important for debian to incorporate? |
| 05:35.31 | ggggbabybabybaby | jayne: Exclusion of shit like GNOME3, maybea direct democracy organized through aptitude, incorporation of selinux or some kind of ACLs, proper stack smashing protection for all binaries, grsec, and |
| 05:35.35 | ggggbabybabybaby | and and |
| 05:35.42 | Daedalus687 | IdleOne: loud being- the most number of vulger word said? |
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| 05:35.50 | ggggbabybabybaby | ponies with a zlib compression filesystem |
| 05:35.58 | ggggbabybabybaby | i'm tired of this |
| 05:36.00 | ggggbabybabybaby | can you believe it |
| 05:36.07 | ggggbabybabybaby | XP had compression on ntfs back in like 2001 |
| 05:36.12 | ggggbabybabybaby | it's more than a decade later |
| 05:36.12 | jayne | ggggbabybabybaby: well debian is an open project. How much effort are you willing to contribute to adding those things? |
| 05:36.17 | ggggbabybabybaby | a user on debian can't have compression |
| 05:36.38 | ggggbabybabybaby | jayne: fuck no i'm just a erotic dancer i failed highschool algebra |
| 05:36.56 | jelly-home | !ops ggggbabybabybaby nonsense-generating troll |
| 05:36.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: jelly-home complains about: ggggbabybabybaby nonsense-generating troll |
| 05:37.03 | peterrooney | !ops ggggbabybabybaby: way off topic |
| 05:37.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: peterrooney complains about: ggggbabybabybaby: way off topic |
| 05:37.06 | ggggbabybabybaby | they are not listening |
| 05:37.13 | ggggbabybabybaby | to your whining |
| 05:37.14 | jayne | ggggbabybabybaby: so you're just here to make crude demands of those who volunteer their effort to bring you a product you don't even like? |
| 05:37.21 | ggggbabybabybaby | the gods have forsaken you jelly-home peterrooney |
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| 05:37.26 | damacus | what's the beef with keith packard? |
| 05:37.34 | InternetItself | !ops ggggbabybabybaby transvestite with a grudge |
| 05:37.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: internetitself complains about: ggggbabybabybaby transvestite with a grudge |
| 05:37.36 | ggggbabybabybaby | jayne: well no i just want to beat up KEITH PACKARD over irc |
| 05:37.53 | Daedalus687 | You are generating text awful fast |
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| 05:37.56 | ggggbabybabybaby | damacus: he RUINED X and forced SHIT down BSD users throats |
| 05:37.58 | jayne | ggggbabybabybaby: I don't think this is the place to do that, then. |
| 05:38.03 | yano | ggggbabybabybaby: this is not the channel for such a discussion |
| 05:38.03 | mark_peters | If I were an op, I'd definitely want three pings rather than one. |
| 05:38.16 | ggggbabybabybaby | the ops are DEAD |
| 05:38.25 | ggggbabybabybaby | I killed them by stepping on their necks with my high heels |
| 05:38.29 | InternetItself | clearly the ops are out to lunch and thus it matters not how many times they are beeped |
| 05:38.46 | InternetItself | !op ggggbabybabybaby how was lunch? |
| 05:38.51 | ggggbabybabybaby | you're all screaming HELP HELP HELP HELP |
| 05:38.56 | ggggbabybabybaby | but they are DEAD |
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| 05:38.59 | ggggbabybabybaby | and so will KEITH |
| 05:39.03 | InternetItself | !ops ggggbabybabybaby how was lunch? |
| 05:39.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: internetitself complains about: ggggbabybabybaby how was lunch |
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| 05:39.11 | ggggbabybabybaby | if that nutbag ESR doesn't defend him |
| 05:39.13 | jayne | ggggbabybabybaby: that's starting to sound like threats, and those really don't belong here |
| 05:39.28 | jelly-home | jayne: apply /ignore until he's quietened |
| 05:39.29 | ggggbabybabybaby | death to gnu/linux, it's all marxism |
| 05:39.33 | ggggbabybabybaby | SHE |
| 05:39.34 | InternetItself | guys, what if |
| 05:39.39 | jayne | jelly-home: I'm hoping not to have to use that |
| 05:39.40 | InternetItself | we ignore the troll |
| 05:39.54 | jelly-home | also the InternetItself dude, just for good measuer |
| 05:40.01 | InternetItself | why me?! |
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| 05:40.07 | ggggbabybabybaby | IGNORE is for limp wristed internet people |
| 05:40.22 | jayne | ggggbabybabybaby: really, can we stay on-topic, please? |
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| 05:40.35 | ggggbabybabybaby | i have healthy breasts that once bounced on RMS' italian leather sofa at his office in MIT |
| 05:40.38 | ggggbabybabybaby | BUT NOW |
| 05:40.40 | ggggbabybabybaby | I AM A GIRL WITHOUT A HOME |
| 05:40.42 | majuscule | trying to build an nginx package with a patch, coming across this error, searching the web, can't seem to find any help. |
| 05:40.43 | jayne | insulting linux, other users, keith packard, everybody else... is counterproductive |
| 05:40.45 | ggggbabybabybaby | LIEK A STRAY ALLEY CAT |
| 05:40.45 | majuscule | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/d/nginx/nginx-1.2.0' dpkg-genchanges >../nginx_1.2.0_i386.changes |
| 05:40.49 | majuscule | dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory |
| 05:40.53 | InternetItself | I run debian on every single general purpose cpu in my house. |
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| 05:41.13 | jayne | I did try :-/ |
| 05:41.31 | cjg | so much for all the excitement |
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| 05:41.47 | cjg | on the heels of that tirade, I would like to say that I dislike debian |
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| 05:42.10 | jelly-home | majuscule: which source package did you start from |
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| 05:42.35 | jelly-home | or did you use the upstream tarball |
| 05:42.49 | majuscule | jelly-home: upstream tarball |
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| 05:43.05 | majuscule | nginx |
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| 05:44.07 | jordanm | jelly-home: I went down this path |
| 05:44.22 | jelly-home | majuscule: ok. Does the upstream tarball contain a debian/ directory or did you add it yourself? |
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| 05:44.40 | ectospasm | jayne: I'm surprised it took you that long |
| 05:44.49 | majuscule | jelly-home: added it myself |
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| 05:45.23 | jayne | ectospasm: we try to catalyze first, and avoid using force |
| 05:45.35 | ectospasm | jayne: fair enough |
| 05:45.42 | majuscule | jelly-home: trying to follow http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ |
| 05:46.37 | ectospasm | does anyone know of a midnight-commander channel? I've tried #mc and #midnight-commander, to no avail. I'd like to remap some keys (primarily the tab key) |
| 05:46.54 | jelly-home | majuscule: if you're not doing this as an exercise in packaging, I'd suggest starting from Debian's source of nginx instead, and using uupdate to bring it up to date with your intended version |
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| 05:47.14 | jordanm | jelly-home: < jordanm> jelly-home: I went down this path |
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| 05:47.35 | majuscule | majuscule: i would very much like to understand the error, i will use the source package if absolutely necessary but I would prefer to avoid it |
| 05:48.02 | majuscule | this is my first .deb from source, however it is not purely an exercise |
| 05:48.16 | majuscule | whoops, jelly-home ^^ |
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| 05:48.31 | jordanm | majuscule: it looks like its trying to use an old source format. have you specified source format 3 (quilt) and used quilt to track your changes? |
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| 05:49.06 | majuscule | jordanm: i am not using quilt because I am not making any changes to existing files, just adding some |
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| 05:50.14 | gabby | Hi all |
| 05:50.18 | gabby | I need help |
| 05:50.26 | gabby | I'll be building an io server |
| 05:50.29 | jelly-home | jordanm: not aware which path it is |
| 05:50.44 | majuscule | jordanm: my changes are `cd contrib && wget .... && wget ... && tar xf ...;`, that is all |
| 05:50.51 | gabby | the server acts as a broker |
| 05:50.54 | jordanm | majuscule: if it has *any* difference from the source tarball, you need to use quilt |
| 05:50.57 | InternetItself | hello #debian my network card is behiving str- |
| 05:51.11 | majuscule | jordanm: even though i do not modify anything? |
| 05:51.14 | majuscule | jordanm: okay :-) |
| 05:51.18 | majuscule | jordanm: i'll try |
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| 05:51.30 | jordanm | majuscule: when dpkg-source builds the source package, it does so by applying patches to the upstream tarball |
| 05:51.49 | jordanm | majuscule: any changes/additions/removals need to come in the form of patches |
| 05:51.51 | gabby | Hello |
| 05:52.05 | gabby | the webserver talks to the server |
| 05:52.25 | gabby | to make requests |
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| 05:52.44 | gabby | i want to tell device A to do Y |
| 05:52.48 | gabby | something like that |
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| 05:53.56 | jordanm | sounds like technical specifications from upper management |
| 05:54.11 | majuscule | jordanm: okay, thanks for your help by the way! |
| 05:54.11 | gabby | Technically the ioserver is a messenging server that knows all party |
| 05:54.45 | gabby | jordanm: |
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| 05:56.05 | gabby | Hello anyone? |
| 05:56.22 | gabby | How can i pull this one out? |
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| 05:57.13 | gabby | Im using debian cli |
| 05:57.16 | jordanm | gabby: it sounds like your asking us to design an application based on very vague requirements |
| 05:57.40 | gabby | i know how to make modules |
| 05:57.45 | gabby | and kernel programming |
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| 05:57.54 | gabby | i just need an idea how can i do this |
| 05:58.11 | jordanm | define "device" |
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| 05:59.00 | gabby | something like the available device in debian. |
| 05:59.06 | gabby | dev/ttyS0 |
| 05:59.38 | jordanm | so you have a web server that needs to make a connection to another server and read/write to data to its serial port? |
| 06:00.05 | gabby | yes something like that. the server(debian) acts like a broker |
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| 06:00.37 | gabby | When a device start up, it register itself to the broker. Hey broker. I am device type X, and my name is Z. I am ready to take command. clients talk to broker, and broker go between. |
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| 06:01.30 | jordanm | gabby: device type X needs to provide an API for the broker to communicate. XML-RPC, SOAP, REST, etc work over HTTP and are not that difficult to implement |
| 06:02.09 | majuscule | jordanm: i can't seem to add a dir with `dquilt add`, how might you suggest I continue? My first thought is to use git to create an actual patch, but I'm sure I'm missing a simpler metod |
| 06:02.13 | majuscule | method |
| 06:02.45 | jordanm | majuscule: try adding a file inside the new directory |
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| 06:03.12 | jordanm | majuscule: I am off to bed, you can still highlight me in messages, but I won't see them until tomorrow |
| 06:03.19 | gabby | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.45 | majuscule | jordanm: np, thank you for your help! |
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| 06:05.41 | heoa_ | http://pastie.org/4710550 <-- my aptitude is broken, how to fix it? |
| 06:05.49 | gabby | jordanm: thanks for the idea but i'm still confuse |
| 06:06.32 | majuscule | how do i use quilt to add a dir? |
| 06:06.36 | majuscule | ugg |
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| 06:08.03 | gabby | jordanm: will i need to create a device then? then this device accepts read/write and relay messages? |
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| 06:11.12 | gabby | jordanm: is creating a kernel device necessary for this? |
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| 06:14.41 | r15 | hi #debian |
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| 06:16.28 | r15 | I am trying to install vmware-server on squeeze_64 bit. however I am getting one prompt during installation of vmware-server. |
| 06:16.31 | r15 | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? |
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| 06:16.53 | r15 | i have 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 kernel installed. |
| 06:17.21 | r15 | from where to get devel pacakge for 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64? |
| 06:17.25 | ectospasm | r15: did you install the linux-header package? |
| 06:18.24 | r15 | ectospasm:ii linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 3.2.20-1~bpo60+1 Header files for Linux 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
| 06:18.39 | ectospasm | r15: look in /usr/src |
| 06:19.27 | majuscule | How can I tell quilt to add a new file to a patch? |
| 06:19.27 | r15 | i created a soft linux /usr/src/linux pointing to /usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 06:20.07 | ectospasm | r15: you'll need to update that link every time you upgrade your kernel... |
| 06:20.09 | majuscule | I run `quilt add `find contrib``, it does that, but when I `quilt refresh` no changes are found |
| 06:20.25 | majuscule | I've tried running a refresh before quilt add and after quilt new |
| 06:20.29 | majuscule | no luck |
| 06:20.34 | majuscule | what am i missing? |
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| 06:21.08 | r15 | ectospasm: yes, if required i will do that, any other alternative beside manually upgrading link? |
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| 06:21.38 | ectospasm | r15: I dunno, you'll need to recompile your VMWare stuff anyway for a new kernel... |
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| 06:22.22 | r15 | ectospasm:yes i know that i have to run vmware-config.pl everytime i upgrade my running kernel. |
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| 06:23.52 | majuscule | I get "Nothing in patch ...." every time |
| 06:24.12 | majuscule | I've tried explicitly naming the patch to add the new files to but no luck |
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| 06:24.23 | r15 | however currently i am looking for a solution to pass the prompt 'location of the directory of C header files.' |
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| 06:25.49 | r15 | it looks like i have to install devel package for 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 06:30.58 | nsadmin | r15, I guess that would be the kernel headers |
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| 06:32.47 | nsadmin | what program exactly is asking that question? |
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| 06:36.36 | r15 | this is what i am getting http://fpaste.org/nSky/ during vmware-server install |
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| 06:44.23 | r15 | any idea? |
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| 06:47.04 | ader10 | I'm not sure where to ask about this, so I'm asking here because I hope this channel encompasses official packages |
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| 07:12.56 | osfd | Hi there. I use debian stable and I Use the mozilla firefox and thunderbird. From both software, I cannot print because the dialog does not show a single printer. Can you help me please... |
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| 07:14.04 | tralala | osfd, do you use gnome? |
| 07:14.27 | osfd | tralala xfce4 |
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| 07:15.16 | tralala | is cups installed and configured? |
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| 07:15.47 | osfd | tralala cups is installed... but I don't know for config |
| 07:16.19 | tralala | point a browser to http://localhost:631 |
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| 07:17.02 | osfd | ok |
| 07:17.05 | osfd | done |
| 07:17.44 | r15 | ping |
| 07:17.46 | tralala | ok, go ahead and set up a printer now |
| 07:19.23 | osfd | hhmm, looks like I can't do anything from here, I'm not admni here |
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| 07:19.33 | tralala | log in as root |
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| 07:19.50 | tralala | (in the site, not the PC) |
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| 07:20.40 | r15 | any idea? http://fpaste.org/bCFw/ (vmware-server installation on squeeze(64 bit) and bpo kernel)? |
| 07:20.47 | osfd | tralala I'm at work, would that change anything if I log as root ? |
| 07:21.08 | osfd | tralala I'm not root around, I'm user |
| 07:23.19 | trapni | does anyone know about debian package creations? -- where do I find exact documentation about the file debian/rules and debian/control? |
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| 07:24.08 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 07:24.25 | jair | hello guys I am having an annoying problem which I though I have fix but looks like that is not the case. I am staying at a friend house for a few weeks and his dns server keep overwriting the dns server I have in resolv.conf every couple of hours or I guess whenever it does another broadcast for the dhcp server |
| 07:25.18 | tralala | osfd, then your admin should take care of printing for you |
| 07:26.18 | osfd | tralala I can see printers from ANY other software, why not this one ? |
| 07:27.08 | tralala | osfd, hmm, that's strange. Did you see any printers in cups? |
| 07:27.42 | confrey | I've a problem, I0m using two notebook in my wifi LAN at home, but the router not always assign the same IP address; I need to sync some dirs on both, is there a way to get IP address from hostname? (no DNS server working) |
| 07:27.44 | tralala | r15, you need different vmware modules - ones that work with a 3.2 kernel |
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| 07:28.04 | osfd | tralala: yes, I can see them from Printers |
| 07:28.15 | jair | I read the instructions in the dhcp.conf settings and I thought I did that explained, here is my current dhclient.conf => http://paste.debian.net/192744/ |
| 07:29.11 | tralala | confrey, you can either instruct the dhcp client to ignore the dns server in the offer (not sure how, that's done) or overwrite it in post-up script in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:30.56 | tralala | jair, the last one was for you |
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| 07:31.26 | jair | I know there is something simple I am missing. It looks like the resolv.conf file keeps getting update ip for the wireless router (polar) |
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| 07:31.28 | confrey | tralala: I dont' know what are you meaning exactly... my problem is : I need to slogin to 'confreyMint', without knowing what IP address confreyMint has at the moment |
| 07:32.02 | r15 | tralala: currently i am unambe to compile any vmware module. |
| 07:32.04 | tralala | confrey, normally you should be able to tell the router to always assign the same IP to the same computer. |
| 07:32.23 | jair | tralala: I believe there is a simpler way there in the dhclient.conf though... |
| 07:32.31 | tralala | r15, yes, I can see that. |
| 07:32.51 | jair | tralala: but thank you for the advise |
| 07:32.52 | tralala | jair, possibly, but I don't know it. |
| 07:32.59 | confrey | tralala: not with actual provider, neither I can configure it locally,192.168.1.1 dont' respond |
| 07:33.12 | jair | tralala: I did it last time with another computer just trying to remember how hahaha |
| 07:33.49 | r15 | I am executing vmware-config.pl which is asking for location of C header files, |
| 07:34.04 | confrey | tralala: often router assign the same Ip address, but sometimes not; everytime I need to go to remote notebook to discover the IP address of that moment; |
| 07:34.33 | tralala | r15, your version of vmware's modules cannot be built against you version of linux, so you need to find a matching pair |
| 07:34.47 | confrey | is there a way to discover all machines' IP address in a LAN? |
| 07:35.26 | tralala | confrey, so the router doesn't allow for fixed IPs and doesn't have DNS? |
| 07:36.13 | confrey | tralala: I don't think so, I'm sure there are not DNS |
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| 07:37.30 | tralala | confrey, can't you just have the laptops use static IPs then? |
| 07:37.55 | r15 | taralala: you mean if i use something other than bpo kernel? |
| 07:38.20 | tralala | r15, yes, or some other vmware version |
| 07:38.22 | confrey | tralala: I don't know if router can accept static IP |
| 07:39.03 | tralala | confrey, the laptops need static IPs, the router already has one. |
| 07:39.26 | r15 | unfortunately i can not find any other newer vmware-server, and switching from bpo kernel gives me undesirable results on hp dv6 laptop :( |
| 07:40.05 | r15 | is going to stick with virtual manager. just needed some screenshot from vmware-server. |
| 07:40.25 | tralala | r15, any newer packages? |
| 07:40.56 | osfd | Any idea ? |
| 07:41.48 | tralala | osfd, not really, no. |
| 07:42.14 | osfd | that's a pain... :( |
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| 07:42.35 | r15 | tralala: latest release on vmware site i can see is VMware Server 2 for Linux Operating Systems 64-bit version dated 2009-10-26 | 2.0.2 |
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| 07:43.29 | tralala | r15, you're out of luck |
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| 07:44.01 | jair | tralala: I think I got the solution from google :) prepend domain-name-servers a.b.c.d; |
| 07:44.20 | tralala | jair, great! |
| 07:44.48 | r15 | tralala: thanks for your help and support :) |
| 07:45.06 | tralala | sure |
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| 07:45.24 | confrey | tralala: thanks, I've to go now, bye |
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| 08:01.32 | kernel2 | How can use xrandr to force newmode on VGA-0 ? |
| 08:01.57 | tralala | --output VGA-0 --mode <something> |
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| 08:02.19 | tralala | it's explained in the manual |
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| 08:03.15 | kernel2 | I have problem with this command : xrandr --newmode "1280x1024_60.00" 109.00 1280 1368 1496 1712 1024 1027 1034 1063 -hsync +vsync |
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| 08:03.44 | kernel2 | it goes to HDMI , but i want to add this to VGA-0 |
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| 08:04.19 | tralala | once you have defined the new mode you can use it on any output that can support it |
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| 08:05.57 | kernel2 | but when i add it , and then want to use "addmode" it say : xrandr: cannot find mode "1280x1024" |
| 08:06.39 | tralala | because it's named "1280x1024_60.00" |
| 08:07.07 | capri | i want to build a 2 node cluster with pacemaker and stonith/ipmi - anyone know how could i get rid of the problem if one node get a completely power loss - means also impi is down ?! |
| 08:07.49 | capri | cause if ipmi will also no longer responsable, pacemaker wouldn't start the resources on the second node |
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| 08:08.59 | redwarriors25 | error 18:selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios how can i fix this |
| 08:09.19 | ectospasm | capri: the second node needs to monitor the ipmi link, and restart it if the primary goes down |
| 08:09.29 | ectospasm | ...that's all on the second node |
| 08:09.50 | ectospasm | ...because what else is there to bring up all links? |
| 08:10.02 | kernel2 | please view this : http://paste.debian.net/192751/ |
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| 08:10.07 | capri | ectospasm: for sure i know that, thats how that works. but whats about a complete power loss |
| 08:10.11 | kernel2 | tralala, : this : http://paste.debian.net/192751/ |
| 08:10.16 | capri | or mainboard crash with ipmi |
| 08:10.57 | kernel2 | could u text how to solve it step by step ? plz ? |
| 08:11.00 | ectospasm | capri: wait, a complete power loss and both nodes are taken out? |
| 08:11.59 | capri | ectospasm: complete power loss of node 1, so node 2 cant check status of node 1 so it wouldn't start any services. is there any way to fix this issue? |
| 08:12.13 | capri | like shared storage mapped to both or dont know |
| 08:12.27 | ectospasm | capri: node 2 should detect that node 1 isn't there, and initiate failover |
| 08:12.49 | ectospasm | capri: DRBD doesn't work for you? |
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| 08:13.02 | redwarriors25 | error 18:selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios how can i fix this upon booting |
| 08:13.36 | capri | ectospasm: but with ipmi/stonith - the second node dont know the status of node 1 and pacemaker wont do anythink until node 1 becomes online again |
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| 08:13.48 | capri | ectospasm: were using drbd at the cluster also |
| 08:13.52 | ectospasm | capri: then you've programmed Pacemaker wrong |
| 08:14.12 | ectospasm | ...the second node should notice that node 1 is offline, then Pacemaker should initiate failover |
| 08:14.23 | ectospasm | ...that's all in how Pacemaker is built |
| 08:14.32 | ectospasm | I'm not an expert, though |
| 08:14.48 | tralala | kernel2, maybe the display on VGA-0 doesn't support this modeline |
| 08:15.34 | capri | ectospasm: but how should pacemaker know that the second node is completly offline if it cant reach the ipmi anymore? thats the main problem |
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| 08:16.10 | ectospasm | capri: Ah, IPMI doesn't have redundancy? Pacemaker should have an alternative way of determining if node 1 has gone offline (like a periodic ping) |
| 08:17.12 | capri | ectospasm: so its possible to configure pacemaker like - First test stonith and if that failes and that ping is also lost, takeover? |
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| 08:17.36 | ectospasm | capri: it should be able to do that |
| 08:17.45 | ectospasm | ...otherwise how else would failover work? |
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| 08:18.48 | capri | ectospasm: failover would work if the second node could check if host is really offline over ipmi - and if the node isn't completly offline, shutdown over ipmi |
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| 08:21.09 | ectospasm | capri: I don't know enough about IPMI to say... |
| 08:21.17 | tralala | capri, just guessing here, but what if there's a dedicated ipmi box? |
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| 08:22.03 | capri | tralala: we dont want to use an external device, we just want to use the two servers |
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| 08:22.48 | tralala | the virtualisation setup we have here has two VM host servers and a controller that does load balancing and fail over. |
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| 08:23.12 | tralala | it's not linux based, though so I don't know details |
| 08:24.00 | capri | tralala: ok |
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| 08:29.33 | jpinx | mount tells me how things were "meant" to be mounted - what tells me the state of the mounting now? I have a ro issue which seems to happen at random :( |
| 08:30.34 | Guest69011 | someone can tell me how to use iwconfig to configure my wireless network |
| 08:33.30 | jpinx | found it -- cat /proc/mounts :) |
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| 08:36.27 | Guest69011 | exit |
| 08:36.34 | ectospasm | /quit |
| 08:36.52 | ectospasm | Emacs does everything! |
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| 08:37.34 | tralala | or dies trying |
| 08:37.51 | hanibana | is there any configuration file which ip command work with? |
| 08:38.34 | hanibana | does it look into /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 08:38.42 | nevyn | no |
| 08:40.29 | joltcan_ | hanibana: but you can run ip commands from that file by using up/down stansas etc |
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| 08:43.41 | xeon123 | I'm trying to mount a usb HDD and I get the error "ntfs-3g-mount: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied". |
| 08:43.51 | dokma | I need Chrome to load a domain from one ip and Firefox from another. Any idea how to do this on Debian? |
| 08:44.18 | xeon123 | it looks that the user don't have permissions. how can I add permission? |
| 08:44.26 | Phil-Work | dokma, you can't |
| 08:44.34 | Phil-Work | DNS has no concept of http host |
| 08:45.30 | dokma | Phil-Work: I think I just found an addon for Firefox that can trick it to do just that.... |
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| 08:45.30 | dokma | let me see it a bit |
| 08:45.30 | Phil-Work | oh, it's for your own purposes |
| 08:45.30 | Phil-Work | I thought this was for general users |
| 08:45.34 | dokma | no this is for dev |
| 08:45.44 | dokma | to be able to load production in one browser and dev in another |
| 08:45.46 | xeon123 | and I'm a member of plugdev group |
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| 08:46.20 | Phil-Work | dokma, browsers heavily cache DNS responses to prevent DNS rebind |
| 08:46.25 | Phil-Work | you could use this to your advantage |
| 08:46.34 | xeon123 | here's the proof: uid=1000(xeon) gid=1000(xeon) groups=1000(xeon),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),110(bluetooth),116(scanner) |
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| 08:47.58 | tralala | xeon123, add yourself to the fuse group and re-login |
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| 08:54.46 | no_gravity | Good morning from Germany! Can anybody explain to me the difference between "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"? In which situation would you use dist-upgrade? |
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| 08:56.37 | themill | dpkg: tell no_gravity about dist-upgrade |
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| 08:58.49 | no_gravity | themill: i read the official explanations a couple of times. still dont get it. did you ever use dist-upgrade? and if so - why? |
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| 09:00.04 | themill | sure. Every time you need to install a security update that will add or remove packages you will need to. Upgrading from squeeze to wheezy you will need to. Upgrading from sid last week to sid this week you might need to |
| 09:00.16 | tralala | no_gravity, dist-upgrade might remove packages if it decides they are no longer supported. upgrade will never remove packages |
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| 09:01.49 | no_gravity | themill: so when you run debian 6 you do not need to do it unless you want to upgrade to debian 7? |
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| 09:02.05 | themill | no_gravity: that's the opposite of what dpkg and I said |
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| 09:02.06 | no_gravity | tralala: "if it decides they are no longer supported"? what does that mean? |
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| 09:02.46 | no_gravity | themill: so when do i know that i should use dist-upgrade? |
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| 09:02.56 | tralala | no_gravity, for example not in the archives any more or replaced by some other package, etc |
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| 09:03.05 | themill | no_gravity: when apt tells you that packages have been kept back or fails to find an upgrade solution |
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| 09:03.51 | no_gravity | themill: i cant remember "apt-get update" ever complaining about anything. |
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| 09:05.01 | no_gravity | themill: s/update/upgrade |
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| 09:05.48 | themill | no_gravity: I don't know that there have been any security updates in squeeze that required a dist-upgrade to install. There were a few in lenny for krb packages. |
| 09:05.53 | trapni | a standard-way I mean? |
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| 09:06.04 | no_gravity | is running "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" the same as using that upgrade icon that pops up from time to time in the gnome task-bar? |
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| 09:06.37 | xeon123 | I added my user to the fuse group, and I still got the error: ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/usb0 |
| 09:06.43 | themill | trapni: uscan or debian/rules get-orig-source are the standard ways. They would normally fetch the latest version from upstream not necessarily the version you are working on |
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| 09:08.24 | tralala | xeon123, are you using ntfs-3g on the command line/ |
| 09:08.25 | tralala | ? |
| 09:08.45 | trapni | themill: hey, well, I am developing my own software, and thus would like to create the source package from within my own dev repo. is it usual to do it like this? I mean, I do not want to rename my local repo to $name-$ver just because I want to create a new package. :) |
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| 09:09.08 | xeon123 | tralala: no |
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| 09:09.41 | trapni | themill: in case of `debian/rules get-orig-source` it seems I need to define this (custom) rule myself to invoke tar, right ? |
| 09:10.28 | ws2k3 | hi how can i send a email using an externel smtp server ? i read up something about nail but that command doesnt work |
| 09:10.29 | tralala | xeon123, this has never happened to me. You'll need to find out which tool is responsible for auto-mounting the disk and why it can't access /media/usb0 |
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| 09:10.53 | tralala | maybe something than should be suid root isn't |
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| 09:11.11 | xeon123 | tralala: I think it has to do with user permissions |
| 09:11.37 | xeon123 | tralala: is it because of user permisssions in the /media dir? does it make sense? |
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| 09:12.12 | tralala | xeon123, do any other file systems mount properly? |
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| 09:12.29 | tralala | I don't think it has to do with user permissions |
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| 09:12.49 | xeon123 | tralala: all mounts good in user root |
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| 09:13.12 | tralala | Yes, but that isn't relevant. |
| 09:13.30 | tralala | (and should be avoided) |
| 09:13.44 | joltcan | ws2k3: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 09:13.56 | xeon123 | tralala: that's why I think it's a matter of permissions. |
| 09:14.09 | tralala | xeon123, are you logged in as root and user in GUI? |
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| 09:14.30 | xeon123 | tralala: yes |
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| 09:15.55 | tralala | xeon123, log out the root user and try again |
| 09:16.09 | redwarriors25 | what command to fix fsck |
| 09:16.12 | xeon123 | tralala: as my user? |
| 09:16.12 | tralala | (I mean re-connect the usb device) |
| 09:16.17 | tralala | yes |
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| 09:17.19 | redwarriors25 | what command to fix fsck |
| 09:18.01 | tralala | redwarriors25, fsck will normally fix the file system unless it's mounted |
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| 09:19.07 | xeon123 | tralala: done. |
| 09:19.15 | xeon123 | tralala: and still got the problem. |
| 09:19.45 | redwarriors25 | this was the error http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l188/jekbong/eeee.jpg |
| 09:19.45 | tralala | xeon123, sorry, I'm out of ideas |
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| 09:20.31 | ksk | redwarriors25: i guess your boot partition is too big |
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| 09:20.51 | redwarriors25 | how can i fix it |
| 09:20.56 | ksk | (in case you have an ooold pc, its not able to use such a big partition) |
| 09:21.49 | ksk | i dunno. find out whats the maximum size your bios supports. then resize your /boot //reinstall your system - just in case it never worked. if it was working since $date its probably something else.. |
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| 09:46.50 | fturco | Hello. I just installed iceweasel on my Debian testing system. If I run "ldd" on /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1/{xulrunner-bin,xpcshell} I get two "not found" entries: libxpcom.so and libxul.so. Is this normal or is a bug? |
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| 09:47.55 | fturco | I scanned every executable file for missing libraries, and found just those two files |
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| 10:05.03 | bullgard4 | 'man mc': "Internal File Editor > Ctrl+Ins copies to the file mcedit.clip." Why does there not exist a file mcedit.clip on my wheezy computer? |
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| 10:14.18 | g0dfrey | Wiil kerbel |
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| 10:14.41 | g0dfrey | Will kernel 3.6 be available in wheezy? |
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| 10:15.55 | themill | !wheezy kernel |
| 10:15.55 | dpkg | Wheezy will release with the Linux 3.2 kernel, with additional features backported (from later kernel versions) to provide better hardware support. See http://lists.debian.org/20120129182205.GR12704@decadent.org.uk for further details. Newer kernels will be provided through <backports.debian.org> as usual. |
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| 10:17.28 | g0dfrey | And the final kde edition is 4.8? |
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| 10:17.55 | themill | g0dfrey: wheezy is frozen. The packages in wheezy aren't changing much from now on |
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| 10:18.44 | g0dfrey | Ad it means that new packages will not enter testing for a long time? |
| 10:18.55 | average_1rifter | hello ! is there a libiconv-dev ? I'm looking for it for the past hour in my repo |
| 10:19.06 | average_1rifter | actually in ubuntu and debian repo |
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| 10:19.34 | average_1rifter | I find it strange that libiconv is not packaged ? |
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| 10:20.16 | Nik05 | no there isnt |
| 10:20.22 | themill | average_1rifter: iconv is part of libc |
| 10:20.24 | r4co0n | hello. i want to shrink an encrypted lvm by reducing /home, one of its partitions. I certainly managed to reduce the fs size as df reports and I think I have succesfully shrunk the lvm volume. If I understood correctly I now need to resize the volume group and then the underlying partition. Please tell me if this is correct and/or how to tackle this task. |
| 10:20.38 | jelly | average_1rifter: GNU libc has its own iconv library implementation. What's your goal? |
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| 10:21.38 | average_1rifter | jelly: well basically |
| 10:21.49 | average_1rifter | jelly: I converted stuff like %B5%F1 etc to chars |
| 10:21.59 | average_1rifter | jelly: now they're gonna go to a file and I want to encode them to UTF-8 |
| 10:22.02 | average_1rifter | jelly: this is in C |
| 10:22.13 | average_1rifter | jelly: so I want to use iconv to convert my strigns to UTF-8 |
| 10:22.44 | average_1rifter | jelly: and I was looking on the interwebz to find a library for this and iconv popped up. I think it's the canonical way of doing these things |
| 10:22.52 | jelly | average_1rifter: use it, then, man 3 iconv |
| 10:22.52 | average_1rifter | jelly: right ? |
| 10:22.59 | woshty | are there currently some issues with X in whezzy? |
| 10:23.16 | Nik05 | average_1rifter its in libc |
| 10:23.18 | Nik05 | so use it |
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| 10:23.42 | jelly | average_1rifter: install manpages-dev if it's missing |
| 10:24.03 | jelly | it ~ the manual |
| 10:24.10 | average_1rifter | jelly: alright, thank you :) |
| 10:24.14 | average_1rifter | Nik05: thank you :) |
| 10:24.25 | Nik05 | dont thank me... |
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| 10:26.04 | average_1rifter | Nik05: why not ? it's a confirmation that it's the good lib to use |
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| 10:26.13 | average_1rifter | I need stuff like that so I can get a feel that I'm doing the right thing |
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| 10:33.05 | ectospasm | ader10: ever see Inception? |
| 10:33.19 | ader10 | yep, heh. |
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| 10:35.46 | no_gravity | Hello! Is there a single ISO version of debian testing that I can put on an usb stick and install it from the stick? |
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| 10:36.27 | Nik05 | yes |
| 10:36.42 | Nik05 | which arch no_gravity ? |
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| 10:37.19 | no_gravity | Nik05: a samsung x20 notebook |
| 10:37.33 | Nik05 | without internet connection? |
| 10:37.52 | Nik05 | no_gravity im asking the arch not the name of the laptop... |
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| 10:38.24 | no_gravity | Nik05: it has internet via wlan, but when i installed debian 6 on it, debian did not find the wlan and it was a ton of work to get it installed. had to find a cable and connect it to my wlan router. |
| 10:38.41 | no_gravity | Nik05: architecture? |
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| 10:38.44 | Nik05 | yes |
| 10:38.51 | no_gravity | Nik05: how do i find out? |
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| 10:39.13 | Nik05 | Intel Pentium M 730 is that the cpu? |
| 10:39.23 | no_gravity | Nik05: i dont know |
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| 10:40.19 | no_gravity | Nik05: google says intel centrino. |
| 10:40.44 | rgr | ok, I have an ecrypt set up where my user's home (entire) is encrypted. In readiness to install testing over stable I set up a new partition to create a seperate home partition. I've done this multiple times before but not with ecryptfs. I gave the new partition a new UUID using tune2fs, set up the fstab, and rsynced the unmounted /home to the new partition (effectively copying the encrypted files as well as the non encrypted ones) . It |
| 10:40.44 | rgr | seems that everything should be self contained from the ecryptfs side of things in my /home. But when I restart and use the new /home while I can log in I get decrypt errors on some files and .ICEauthority errors. I can see my home files ok, my desktop works but many things wont launch. I've been googling but cant think of any reason this might be. I cant see rsync copying file "incorrectly" - and the -a should be keeping the uid/guids |
| 10:40.45 | rgr | etc just fine. Indeed checking ownership in my home dir shows everything to be owned by me. So, ideas about where the problem could be coming from? |
| 10:40.49 | Nik05 | thats a wifi adaptor... |
| 10:42.00 | no_gravity | Nik05: so what do i do? |
| 10:42.05 | Nik05 | no_gravity do you want to install over internet? |
| 10:42.06 | themill | no_gravity: the i386 wheezy installer beta 2 should be fine for you |
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| 10:42.58 | no_gravity | Nik05: i dont know. i just want to try some more modern version of debian then debian 6. |
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| 10:43.03 | no_gravity | themill: where do i find it? |
| 10:43.13 | Nik05 | use the one themill said |
| 10:43.32 | Nik05 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/index.html |
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| 10:44.20 | Nik05 | and download the i386 |
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| 10:46.11 | no_gravity | Nik05: this one? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:46.26 | no_gravity | Nik05: will i have to get a cable to get network like when i installed debian 6? |
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| 10:47.37 | Nik05 | you will need the wifi adapter firmware |
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| 10:48.10 | no_gravity | Nik05: whatever that means... |
| 10:48.15 | Nik05 | mill know alot more about that :P |
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| 10:48.38 | no_gravity | And how did you find that installer on the debian site? I was looking all over debian.org and did not find it. |
| 10:49.10 | Nik05 | Developers' Corner |
| 10:49.25 | no_gravity | If i have to go search for a cable again, i will probably rather try some other os. Mayb lubuntu. I heard its slim. |
| 10:49.44 | Nik05 | you can also install offline |
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| 10:50.27 | Nik05 | themill do you something about installing over wifi? |
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| 10:51.06 | themill | the wheezy installer should be able to install over WPA2 but you might need firmware .debs to help it |
| 10:51.24 | Nik05 | yep |
| 10:51.38 | Nik05 | so no_gravity you will need you wifi adapter firmware |
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| 10:52.27 | no_gravity | do i create the usb-stick with "dd if=the.iso of=/dev/sdb" or with "dd if=the.iso of=/dev/sdb1"? |
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| 10:52.57 | Nik05 | /dev/sdb |
| 10:53.03 | Nik05 | both will work i think :P |
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| 10:53.12 | no_gravity | themill: sorry, i have no clue what it mwans to "need firmware". isnt everything i have in the installer? how could i put more files into the installer? |
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| 10:53.28 | Nik05 | no_gravity wait im searching ;) |
| 10:53.41 | Nik05 | you need to put that on the USB with the installer |
| 10:53.50 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about installer firmware |
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| 10:54.09 | Nik05 | or another usb |
| 10:54.14 | babilen | no_gravity: do you know which wireless adaptor is in your laptop? |
| 10:54.37 | no_gravity | babilen: no, but the notebook is a samsung x20. |
| 10:54.49 | themill | babilen: quite possibly centrino based on earlier answers |
| 10:55.18 | no_gravity | Nik05: i create the installer by dding the iso to the stick... i guess i cannot put additional stuff on it, right? |
| 10:55.35 | Nik05 | you can if you make another partition |
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| 10:56.26 | babilen | no_gravity: I know -- It comes with either a broadcom or an Intel 2200 adaptor -- Hence my question. Either way, the firmware you need are http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-iwlwifi and ... |
| 10:56.59 | babilen | no_gravity: Ah, looks as if its just the intel one. (sorry, misread the technical specs) |
| 10:57.24 | babilen | bbl |
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| 10:58.14 | Nik05 | but no_gravity did you read the info babilen gave you? |
| 10:58.31 | Nik05 | about adding extra firmware for instlaler? |
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| 10:59.09 | no_gravity | Nik05: yes |
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| 10:59.59 | babilen | would either create the installer "the flexible way" (as in the installation guide linked from "/msg dpkg usb install" or (probably *much* easier for a beginner) just burn a CD and provide the firmware via USB |
| 11:00.08 | babilen | ) |
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| 11:01.31 | no_gravity | for some reason the notebook does not boot from the stick after i dd'ed the iso to sdb |
| 11:01.52 | no_gravity | and fdisk -l still says the stick contains a partition sdb1 that is ntfs. hmm... |
| 11:01.57 | Nik05 | which iso did you download? |
| 11:02.27 | ectospasm | ...and is it a hybrid ISO image? |
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| 11:02.39 | no_gravity | Nik05: tried it with lubuntu for now. |
| 11:02.48 | Nik05 | -__ |
| 11:03.47 | Nik05 | and no_gravity did you press the "key" to boot from usb? |
| 11:04.10 | Nik05 | cause your system is probably not booting from usb without pressing a key |
| 11:04.12 | no_gravity | Nik05: i dont know if it has a key. in bios "removable media" is on top of the boot-list. |
| 11:04.54 | Nik05 | but that a question for #ubuntu or #lubuntu... |
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| 11:07.07 | no_gravity | Nik05: i found it. it recognised the stick as a regular hd. now it boots. well, that applies to the installation of debian as well. just trying lubuntu while we figure out how i can putdebian esting on that machine. so far it sounds to me like hooking up a cable to my router would be the easiest way. so i will probably do that. |
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| 11:07.57 | no_gravity | Nik05: i still dont get how i find the testing download on debian.org. yes, i have the direct link now. but shouldnt it be somehow accessible from the homepage? |
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| 11:09.05 | no_gravity | Aha, it looks like you have to go to "developers corner" and then search for "installer". |
| 11:09.15 | Nik05 | yes no_gravity at the developers' corner |
| 11:09.15 | babilen | no_gravity: We cannot support lubuntu in here and their images are probably *very* different from the Debian ones. If you plan to use that ask in #ubuntu or #lubuntu for help please. |
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| 11:09.50 | babilen | no_gravity: Nik05 gave you the link already: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ :) |
| 11:09.54 | no_gravity | babilen: hey, whats up? where did i ask for lubuntu support? |
| 11:10.10 | Nik05 | #lubuntu or #ubuntu |
| 11:10.16 | xeon123 | I've the /etc/network/interfaces defined like that: http://pastebin.com/qB78U9zw, but I can't do ping www.google.com. Any help? |
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| 11:10.25 | babilen | no_gravity: AFAIU you tried the Debian usb installation way with a lubuntu image, which didn't work |
| 11:10.35 | babilen | !pastebin.com |
| 11:10.36 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 11:11.08 | Nik05 | he has the standard dhcp interface |
| 11:11.12 | no_gravity | babilen: i just talked about how to make that notebook boot from usb. that applies to every os i want to install. |
| 11:11.21 | babilen | xeon123: Try "ifup eth0" -- Do you see errors? Does "ping 8.8.8.8" work? What is the content of /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 11:11.23 | seravitae | hi, my debian testing box, i need to install nvidia drivers. to do this i have to terminate X server. usually i CTRL+ALT+F1 or F2, F3, etc, to access other tty's. However I don't have any except F1, which doesnt yeild a login prompt. Just some messages from the machine bootup. any ideas? |
| 11:11.38 | xeon123 | babilen: ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
| 11:12.09 | babilen | no_gravity: Well, not quite as the techniques to create a bootable usb stick differ. But lets drop it and just try it with the Debian image. |
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| 11:12.14 | xeon123 | here's the ifconfig -a: http://paste.debian.net/192777/ |
| 11:12.16 | Nik05 | seravitae when its in level 1/2 only tty1 is working |
| 11:12.31 | babilen | xeon123: Ah, well. Either continue or run "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" |
| 11:12.31 | Nik05 | tty2, etc. start when kernel is running in lvl 3/4 |
| 11:12.33 | Nik05 | i think |
| 11:13.01 | xeon123 | babilen: I get the error: receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down |
| 11:13.41 | babilen | xeon123: That is when you run "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" ? |
| 11:13.57 | xeon123 | babilen: yes. here's the full result: http://paste.debian.net/192778/ |
| 11:14.25 | Nik05 | so dhcp is not working |
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| 11:14.35 | xeon123 | it looks so |
| 11:14.36 | Nik05 | wait it is |
| 11:14.36 | seravitae | Nik05: yeah, but i'm sitting in gnome at the moment, so apparently im in runlevel 5? |
| 11:14.44 | babilen | xeon123: It looks as if you have been assigned an address. Does "ping 8.8.8.8" work? |
| 11:15.19 | xeon123 | the ping ping 0.0.0.0, yes. NOT ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 11:15.40 | Nik05 | oh tty2-6 are running when in runlevel 2 or 3 |
| 11:16.12 | babilen | xeon123: Or rather: Please paste the output of "ping 10.0.0.1", "route -n", "ping 8.8.8.8", "nslookup debian.org", "nslookup debian.org 8.8.8.8", "ping debian.org", "cat /etc/resolv.conf" |
| 11:16.46 | no_gravity | babilen, Nik05: I wonder, why arent the wpa2 drivers part of the installer by default? |
| 11:16.58 | Nik05 | cause they arent free |
| 11:17.03 | Nik05 | !free |
| 11:17.04 | dpkg | from memory, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>. |
| 11:17.06 | babilen | !tell no_gravity -about firmware |
| 11:17.33 | Nik05 | oops sorry for spam |
| 11:18.01 | babilen | Nik05: You can use "!tell NICK [-]about FACTOID" functionality (- will not send you the factoid as well) |
| 11:18.37 | no_gravity | babilen: so its some kind of "political" or "ethical" reason? In what way would the world be worse if they where included in the installer? |
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| 11:19.45 | xeon123 | babilen: here's the full result: http://paste.debian.net/192780/ |
| 11:19.50 | no_gravity | Sorry if I ask too many questions. I could probably also read it up on the net somewhere. |
| 11:20.13 | babilen | no_gravity: Debian does not contain any non-free software and users have to explicitly enable it if they want to use it. This is an area in which ease of use (i.e. include non-free software/binary blobs/microcode) and Debian's philosophy dictate different actions. |
| 11:20.31 | babilen | !tell no_gravity about why debian |
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| 11:21.57 | babilen | no_gravity: Essentially we "strive to protect your freedom" even if that means that Debian is harder to use than other distributions. People who don't want any non-free binary blobs don't need to have them. Also a bunch of other distributions are in a legal grey (or black) area in that they distribute software they are not allowed to distribute (commonly flash for example) |
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| 11:22.34 | themill | babilen: itym "people who don't want any non-free binary blobs don't need to have them unused on their disk" |
| 11:22.37 | seravitae | Nik05: I'm sitting at gnome, under X, so apparently im in runlevel 5. so not sure why i've only got access to tty1? |
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| 11:23.30 | no_gravity | babilen: ok |
| 11:23.43 | Nik05 | sorry seravitae i have know idea... |
| 11:23.53 | babilen | no_gravity: Unfortunately we live in a time in which hardware typically needs firmware (/msg dpkg firmware) or processors need microcode updates to function properly (see the microcode.ctl and {intel,amd}-microcode packages. This means that a lot of people are forced to use non-free software if they want to use all their hardware. |
| 11:24.09 | seravitae | ok, thanks Nik05. |
| 11:24.30 | Nik05 | how did you stop x? |
| 11:24.50 | babilen | themill: Well, I think there are a bunch of people who would consider it a sacrilege if any non-free bits touched their harddrive (used or unused) - be it as part of the kernel or from a package or ... |
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| 11:25.14 | babilen | yum, lunch o' clock |
| 11:26.00 | seravitae | wow this is wierd |
| 11:26.18 | seravitae | i just SSH'd into the box, killall gdm / Xorg ... surely enough, X server closed |
| 11:26.19 | Nik05 | babilen do you know why getty is only invocate in runlevel 2 and 3? |
| 11:26.37 | seravitae | but I'm stuck with the same tty1, no prompt |
| 11:27.15 | seravitae | i mean at least i can install my stuff via ssh, but its wierd that I just have tty1 effectively ignoring user input and nothing else. |
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| 11:27.54 | no_gravity | babilen: well, i love debian. i used it in the pre-ubuntu days and started my own company based on it. later we switched everything to ubuntu. but since unity, i switched back to debian. using debian 6 now. its ok, but sometimes i wish some more up to date software. since unity, there is no os I can suggest to non-tech persons anymore. everything sucks. i seriously look into osx and windows for the first time ever to evaluate them. i wish debia |
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| 11:28.53 | babilen | xeon123: Sorry -- I have to leave now. It looks as if you are being (a little bit) filtered as you can query 8.8.8.8 just fine, but not ping it. I would recommend to let other people have a look at that as I'm being summoned for lunch. |
| 11:29.11 | jeph | Hi all, sorry if this is the wrong forum. I cant remember the name of the package that allows you to do text based menus in scripting. I think it is used in Debian installer text mode and apt configuring. Please help. |
| 11:29.15 | Nik05 | eetze babilen |
| 11:29.18 | xeon123 | babilen: ok thanks |
| 11:29.30 | seravitae | jeph: curses? |
| 11:29.56 | babilen | no_gravity: You don't have to reinstall if you use Debian right now -- You can just upgrade to wheezy. See "/msg dpgk squeeze->wheezy" for pointers. |
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| 11:30.36 | jeph | seravitae: no, more specific. It is really easy to call from a shell script. I've used it before, but I cant remember the name. |
| 11:30.45 | jeph | ie. There is no curses package |
| 11:31.17 | no_gravity | babilen: i dont reinstall. i just install side by side. i have a lot of computers and many of them have many partitions with different OSes. Im just trying to figure out what works well. So far debian 6 is my favorite in this day and age. The only problem is that its so hard to set up. |
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| 11:32.14 | Nik05 | xeon123 still got a problem? |
| 11:32.18 | petemc | jeph: dialog? |
| 11:32.23 | xeon123 | Nik05: yes |
| 11:32.44 | Nik05 | which problems do you still have? |
| 11:32.45 | jeph | Nik05: YES! Thank you! |
| 11:33.05 | Nik05 | jeph ? |
| 11:33.16 | jeph | Sorry, petemc: Thank you! |
| 11:33.23 | petemc | np |
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| 11:37.42 | vbajpai | what should I do to get a later (v2.15) of libc6 on squeeze? |
| 11:37.55 | Nik05 | ,versions libc6 |
| 11:37.56 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; sid: 2.13-35; wheezy: 2.13-35 |
| 11:38.07 | themill | vbajpai: what are you really trying to do here? and why? |
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| 11:38.46 | vbajpai | well, I am trying to install a package that depends on libc6 2.15 |
| 11:38.56 | themill | yeah, that much I guessed... |
| 11:38.59 | xeon123 | It's strange because when I comment #auto eth0 and uncomment allow-hotplug eth0 I don't get the error message etho network is down, but I still can't do ping. |
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| 11:39.35 | vbajpai | themill: http://www.yumaworks.com/?page_id=162 |
| 11:39.39 | Oliver`_ | Hi. I was wondering if there's a way to integrate some firmware packages with a Debian ISO, as to avoid having to insert flash drives with packages on them during the installation? |
| 11:39.58 | vbajpai | themill: it appears they do development on ubuntu/fedora, and expect me to use them |
| 11:40.00 | themill | vbajpai: you shouldn't be trying to install packages designed for ubuntu on debian |
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| 11:40.18 | themill | (for this exact reason, amongst others) |
| 11:40.28 | vbajpai | themill: yea, it occurred to me as well, well internaly we deploy VMs using debian squeeze |
| 11:40.41 | vbajpai | so, I guess the best way is to locally setup a VM for this task |
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| 11:41.06 | themill | or build rebuild the package for squeeze |
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| 11:41.54 | vbajpai | well, the source has dependency on libc6 2.15 no? |
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| 11:42.32 | themill | vbajpai: unlikely |
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| 12:00.08 | tictacbum | j #bzr |
| 12:00.11 | tictacbum | ups sorry |
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| 12:01.44 | melissublime | do anyone know what is the best internet download manager for ldebian? |
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| 12:16.25 | vbajpai | hello, how can I resolve these dependency errors? https://gist.github.com/3781433 |
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| 12:16.38 | vbajpai | I am running debian squeeze on amd64 |
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| 12:18.41 | themill | no, you *were* running squeeze. You've got an unholy mixture of squeeze and wheezy/sid there |
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| 12:25.00 | thomaschaaf | I am using the network card e1000e in my computer. When I boot I have a very high paket loss due to the ethernet card turning off and on again time after time. as soon as I remove the driver with modprobe -r e1000e and reappling it with modprobe e1000e it works without a problem. Any ideas why this could be? |
| 12:25.30 | babilen | vbajpai: Have you installed *any* packages from wheezy or sid already? |
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| 12:26.18 | jordanm | thomaschaaf: I would suspect a hardware/cable issue, but it could be a kernel bug. what version of debian? |
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| 12:27.20 | vbajpai | babilen: this is my sources.list https://gist.github.com/3781479 |
| 12:27.34 | vbajpai | babilen: I see squeeze everywhere so I should say no |
| 12:27.42 | thomaschaaf | jordanm: running wheezy |
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| 12:27.56 | thomaschaaf | I am also running intels driver (2.1.4) |
| 12:28.29 | thomaschaaf | this is happening on a couple computers so I am pretty sure it's not a hardware issue since they are all as far as I can tell from different batches |
| 12:28.55 | jordanm | thomaschaaf: intel's driver is built into debian's kernel |
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| 12:29.33 | jordanm | it may require installation of firmware to work properly though, depending on the card |
| 12:29.56 | jordanm | intel is good about getting their drivers into mainline |
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| 12:30.06 | thomaschaaf | I installed: http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/2.1.4/ |
| 12:30.22 | babilen | vbajpai: See the entries that start with "# added by vbajpai" on line 10, 11 and 12? Whoever added those mixed testing (wheezy) and unsupported third-party repositories with the base stable (squeeze) system. We *strongly* discourage people from doing that as it will just mess up their packaging system. |
| 12:30.39 | average_1rifter | jelly: I have a problem |
| 12:30.41 | jordanm | thomaschaaf: did you do that because you were having issues with the default ones? |
| 12:30.48 | thomaschaaf | yep |
| 12:30.48 | average_1rifter | jelly: I did everything as described in the documentation of iconv |
| 12:30.52 | thomaschaaf | same problem |
| 12:31.02 | thomaschaaf | after I unload and reload the driver everything is good |
| 12:31.05 | vbajpai | it was my mistake, how can I resolve it? |
| 12:31.12 | vbajpai | babilen: ^ |
| 12:31.14 | babilen | vbajpai: So my question once again: Did you already install anything from wheezy/testing ? What happens if you remove those and run the command listed in "/msg dpkg not available" ? |
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| 12:31.36 | babilen | vbajpai: Oh, remove them, run "apt-get update" and then the command in "/msg dpkg not available" |
| 12:32.05 | babilen | vbajpai: Paste the output along with that of "dpkg -l libc6" to http://paste.debian.net please. |
| 12:32.32 | average_1rifter | jelly: but when I run "file outputfile" I get Non-ISO extended-ASCII English text, with LF, NEL line terminators |
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| 12:33.01 | jelly | average_1rifter: and what did you expect it to be? |
| 12:33.10 | average_1rifter | jelly: UTF-8 |
| 12:33.15 | jelly | (also, what's NEL) |
| 12:33.17 | vbajpai | okay I removed testing from sources.list, I do not understand, what do you mean by: "run the command listed in "/msg dpkg not available" ?" |
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| 12:33.23 | vbajpai | babilen: ^ |
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| 12:33.41 | babilen | !tell vbajpai -about not available |
| 12:33.47 | babilen | !tell vbajpai about msgthebot |
| 12:34.01 | average_1rifter | jelly: because I fed to iconv_open From => ISO-8859-1 To => UTF-8 |
| 12:34.08 | average_1rifter | jelly: I don't know what NEL is |
| 12:34.15 | jelly | average_1rifter: care to pastebin a hexdump -C output or input and output sample file (one or two lines)? |
| 12:34.19 | average_1rifter | jelly: I just know I have ASCII and I want it to go into UTF-8 |
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| 12:34.49 | jelly | average_1rifter: does the command line iconv -f latin1 -t utf8 < source > dest result in similar output? |
| 12:35.07 | vbajpai | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/192796/ |
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| 12:35.46 | average_1rifter | jelly: https://gist.github.com/a8e8424f9a6ca47a8963 |
| 12:35.52 | average_1rifter | jelly: sorry didn't hexdump it |
| 12:36.05 | average_1rifter | jelly: I'll try with latin1 |
| 12:36.15 | ColdRush | I'm trying to setup an nfs share, I'm confused by the following part from a guide :192.168.0.4:/home/pi /home/pi. what is the second /home/pi? I just don't understand where or what that is. Is it a location that should exists on other machines trying to access the share? |
| 12:36.50 | ColdRush | ^That is a line in the fstab file |
| 12:36.57 | jelly | ColdRush: that's not the complete line |
| 12:37.14 | average_1rifter | jelly: ISO-LATIN-1 right ? |
| 12:37.40 | jelly | average_1rifter: just hexdump -C the source and your first attempt at the destination, for starters |
| 12:37.45 | babilen | vbajpai: You already installed the libc6 from testing and probably a bunch of other packages too. It is *very* hard or most likely impossible to downgrade your system back to stable. What kind of machine is this, what is it used for and do you have backups? |
| 12:37.56 | ColdRush | 192.168.0.4:/home/pi /home/pi nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 is the full line, but I don't understand how it works. |
| 12:38.05 | jelly | !fstab |
| 12:38.05 | dpkg | from memory, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
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| 12:38.23 | babilen | vbajpai: Please also show me the output of aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 12:38.23 | vbajpai | this is xen machine |
| 12:38.29 | jelly | ColdRush: the columns are as follows: # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> |
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| 12:38.57 | ColdRush | so in that case the two zeros are the dump and pass? |
| 12:39.02 | xeon123 | I'm trying to set up DNS in debina, but I can't. I can do ping 194.117.20.20 but not ping www.google.com, or ping 8.8.8.8. Any help |
| 12:39.14 | babilen | vbajpai: I would recommend to either restore it from backups or reinstall it if that box is used in production for anything important |
| 12:39.22 | jelly | ColdRush: thus, the second "/home/pi" is column two, local mount point, a directory where the remote fs should be mounted |
| 12:39.51 | jelly | ColdRush: yeah, 0 0 are placeholder values for dump and pass for remote filesystems |
| 12:40.04 | vbajpai | babilen: I see, what we learnt from this exercise? never use sources from later distro releases in your current release? |
| 12:40.09 | xeon123 | xeon123: Probably not DNS, but DHCP |
| 12:40.24 | ColdRush | I don't quite understand what you mean by local mount point. is that what it appears as on the network? |
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| 12:40.57 | babilen | vbajpai: yes. never mix stable with anything but backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
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| 12:41.42 | vbajpai | babilen: I see, thanks! |
| 12:41.53 | jelly | ColdRush: mouting is a process where a filesystem, whether local or remote, appears visible in your filesystem namespace at a certain path. That path is the mount point. |
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| 12:42.36 | ColdRush | so the mount point should be a different path than the filesystem |
| 12:42.52 | jelly | ColdRush: eg. if you mount a partition at /home mount point, all of its contents will be visible as files or directories under /home/* |
| 12:43.18 | jelly | ColdRush: you pick where you want to mount each filesystem |
| 12:43.44 | jelly | the only requisite is that the mount point needs to be an existing directory |
| 12:44.13 | ColdRush | jelly: So if I do 192.168.0.4:/home/pi /media nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 everything within pi will be visible at root in a directory called media? It's like a shortcut? |
| 12:44.39 | ManoftheSea | at root? |
| 12:44.49 | babilen | xeon123: Your problem is not DNS as you can resolve just fine. Try "nslookup google.com" or even "nslookup google.com 8.8.8.8". If you have dig you can also play with "dig @8.8.8.8 debian.org" or other servers. The problem is that, at least, pings seem to be filtered. Can you run something like "curl www.debian.org" and do you get the website? |
| 12:44.49 | jelly | ColdRush: it's not a shortcut, everything under /media then points to the remote share. |
| 12:45.07 | jelly | ColdRush: this is how filesystems normally work in unix |
| 12:46.08 | xeon123 | babilen: here's the result: http://paste.debian.net/192802/ |
| 12:46.25 | ColdRush | jelly: But /home/pi is the remote share right? |
| 12:46.45 | babilen | xeon123: See how it is working fine? Try "curl www.google.com" or "curl www.debian.org" |
| 12:46.58 | jelly | ColdRush: yes. You may mount it _anywhere_ on your machine |
| 12:47.04 | babilen | xeon123: How are you connected to the internet? |
| 12:47.34 | ColdRush | jelly: Okay I think I get it, thanks. I'll probably be back in the next few minutes with another problem haha |
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| 12:48.19 | ColdRush | jelly: Does the mount point have to exist before I use it in fstab? |
| 12:48.23 | xeon123 | babilen: the curl works. I'm connected behind a proxy server. But this proxy automatically relays the packets. |
| 12:48.39 | jelly | ColdRush: yes, it must exist, and it must be a directory. Preferably an empty directory. |
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| 12:49.20 | jelly | ColdRush: any contents will be hidden and unreachable after something else is mounted on top of it |
| 12:49.37 | babilen | xeon123: So what exactly is the problem? It looks as if part of your traffic is being filtered, but there is very little we can do about that. |
| 12:49.47 | ColdRush | Jelly: I see, very good to know. |
| 12:50.25 | ManoftheSea | ColdRush: you can also check the mount at the command line, before putting it in your fstab |
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| 12:50.59 | ColdRush | ManoftheSea: like a command that tests the mount? |
| 12:52.05 | xeon123 | why I can't ping www.google.com? |
| 12:52.50 | ManoftheSea | ColdRush: at the commandline, you can "mount -t nfs -o options addr:/path/files /path/to/mount" |
| 12:52.57 | ManoftheSea | you don't always have to put it in the fstab first. |
| 12:53.05 | jordanm | jelly: you can bind mount the underlying filesystem to see the data on it |
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| 12:53.45 | babilen | xeon123: Apparently pings (ICMP traffic) is being filtered. Speak to your ISP or whoever is in charge of your network connection. |
| 12:53.54 | babilen | *are |
| 12:54.14 | jelly | jordanm: yes. BY ALL MEANS let's introduce all the corner cases into an introductory explanation for a newb! |
| 12:54.20 | jelly | sighs |
| 12:54.34 | xeon123 | babilen: ok. thanks. |
| 12:55.14 | ColdRush | *head explodes* |
| 12:56.29 | ColdRush | Right so now... |
| 12:56.40 | ColdRush | How do I access this share from my windows machine |
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| 12:59.13 | ManoftheSea | ColdRush: not really a debian question. Windows would need a driver to access NFS shares. LMGTFY www.google.com/search?q=windows+access+nfs |
| 12:59.51 | ColdRush | I think I found a way to mount it via cmd |
| 12:59.55 | ColdRush | soooo nice :D |
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| 13:02.37 | daniel-s | Hi, I see this line alot in my /var/log/auth.log --> Sep 24 23:17:01 eMachine CRON[21565]: pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 13:02.40 | daniel-s | does it mean anything? |
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| 13:03.25 | ManoftheSea | daniel-s: I think it means root has logged out. |
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| 13:05.16 | shaullx | hello, i can't run .jar files using "right click->open with java oracle 7 runtime", only using the terminal command java -jar <filename>, why is that? |
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| 13:06.14 | ManoftheSea | shaullx: as in, that menu option doesn't work, or you don't have the menu option? |
| 13:06.22 | shaullx | doesn't work |
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| 13:06.31 | shaullx | it's there though |
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| 13:09.28 | ManoftheSea | shaullx: try "java --version" |
| 13:09.37 | ManoftheSea | Do you have oracle runtime? |
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| 13:10.43 | ManoftheSea | What's after Wheezy? |
| 13:10.52 | ManoftheSea | When does that get picked? |
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| 13:11.03 | jordanm | ManoftheSea: jesse |
| 13:11.09 | shaullx | ManoftheSea, |
| 13:11.11 | shaullx | java version "1.7.0_03" |
| 13:11.12 | shaullx | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_03-b04) |
| 13:11.12 | shaullx | Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 22.1-b02, mixed mode) |
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| 13:11.12 | abrotman | jessie |
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| 13:11.18 | shaullx | gah |
| 13:11.26 | abrotman | ManoftheSea: someone picks them from a list of Toy STory characters |
| 13:11.49 | jordanm | who is "someone". I never recall seeing votes. DPL perhaps? |
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| 13:12.34 | abrotman | release team |
| 13:12.34 | ManoftheSea | Thanks. |
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| 13:12.46 | ManoftheSea | I wish that I was Jessie's girl. |
| 13:12.47 | bluesmm | Hey. |
| 13:13.01 | bluesmm | How to "startx" |
| 13:13.08 | ManoftheSea | wait... that's not the lyric. s/was/had/ |
| 13:13.08 | abrotman | startx |
| 13:13.10 | bluesmm | But not default GUI but particular ? |
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| 13:13.47 | bluesmm | ? |
| 13:13.50 | jelly | !jessie |
| 13:13.50 | dpkg | The release following wheezy will be called "jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html |
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| 13:14.37 | GridCube | how do i know wich version of debian im running? |
| 13:14.57 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 13:14.57 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 13:14.59 | jelly | GridCube: ^^ |
| 13:15.05 | jordanm | bluesmm: the default gui will be the current set x-session-manager alternative, or w/e you put ini .xinitrc |
| 13:15.42 | GridCube | 6.0.1 :D thanks |
| 13:16.02 | bluesmm | So in order to start another GUI I have to change some config file ? |
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| 13:16.16 | jelly | GridCube: inspecting just that file might be misleading if you're using a derivative distro |
| 13:17.09 | GridCube | no, my "boss" gave me this vbox with debian on it and i need to install workbench here, so i needed to know wich version i was running to find a proper tutorial on the nets |
| 13:17.16 | jelly | GridCube: so basically you want to check all three of (debian_version, lsb_release output, sources.list contents) to be reasonably sure |
| 13:17.32 | GridCube | :) thanks ill check |
| 13:17.59 | jelly | ok, "Debian 6" or squeeze is probably good enough for that purpose |
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| 13:18.30 | GridCube | >6.0.1a _Squeeze_ :) |
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| 13:19.04 | urseus | hey i just installed Debian 6.0.5, my kernel is 2.6.x how can i update my kernel to 3.0.x i also want to install kde 4.8 can you guide me please ? |
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| 13:20.06 | jordanm | !tell urseus about bpo |
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| 13:20.53 | jordanm | urseus: the kernel can be upgraded through backports, kde 4.8 would likely be impossible on debian 6 |
| 13:20.59 | ManoftheSea | well, you're not gonna get 3.0.x, right? |
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| 13:21.06 | ManoftheSea | I thought backport had 3.2.x |
| 13:21.06 | jordanm | atleast without upgrading most of your system to testing |
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| 13:21.35 | urseus | i was using kde 4.8 before with debian i think i was using unstable branch |
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| 13:22.35 | urseus | so how can i add unstable repository to aptitude ? |
| 13:23.13 | boudiccas | urseus: without wholesale upgrading to wheezy/testing you'll get a 'frankendebian' |
| 13:23.15 | jordanm | yes, but it's not recommended |
| 13:23.19 | boudiccas | !frankendebian |
| 13:23.19 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince #linux to help. |
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| 13:24.09 | babilen | urseus: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable/ |
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| 13:24.41 | ManoftheSea | Frankenstein was the doctor. Frankenstein's Debian :) |
| 13:24.59 | urseus | at last, i really need to kde 4.8 even if i need to have adolfdebian i don't care much about it :s |
| 13:25.10 | ManoftheSea | urseus: upgrade to testing. |
| 13:25.23 | babilen | urseus: You might want to try wheezy (currently frozen testing branch) which has XFCE 4.8 -- See "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" for a short overview of the upgrade process. |
| 13:25.35 | babilen | Oh, KDE |
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| 13:26.23 | urseus | thanks guys, i think i'm gonna turn my debian to uber frenkydebian :p |
| 13:26.37 | babilen | urseus: yeah, wheezy has KDE 4.8.4 as well. |
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| 13:27.02 | boudiccas | shuts her mouth and says nothing :) |
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| 13:27.16 | babilen | urseus: And *no* please completely upgrade to wheezy if that is your plan and also read the DebianUnstable wiki page I pointed out as some tips are applicable to testing too. |
| 13:27.24 | babilen | boudiccas: knock it off |
| 13:27.47 | urseus | oh okidoki i got it, i'm just moving to wheezy instead of squeeze |
| 13:27.59 | urseus | thanks a lot ^^ |
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| 13:33.47 | average_1rifter | jelly: actually, my real problem is this: after removing % and replacing each 2-byte group with the appropriate character %E5%BF%83%E4%B9%8B%E8%B0%B7 |
| 13:33.51 | average_1rifter | jelly: what encoding is the result in ? |
| 13:33.55 | average_1rifter | jelly: that is my main problem |
| 13:33.59 | average_1rifter | jelly: this is from an URL |
| 13:34.06 | average_1rifter | jelly: and I have no idea what the result after this process is |
| 13:34.30 | ManoftheSea | average_1rifter: those are hex codes, the way URLs encode them. |
| 13:34.33 | nunnsby | ? |
| 13:34.33 | average_1rifter | jelly: the decoding(removing % and coverting E5 for example to the appropriate char) I've done, but I have no idea what I get afterwards |
| 13:34.43 | yalu | can somebody tell me how to configure gnutls to accept valid ssl certificates? a few system tools depend on gnutls (like nslcd) and it can never verify the certificate |
| 13:34.52 | average_1rifter | ManoftheSea: yes, indeed, that is what I've done, and after that, what is the encoding of the result ? |
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| 13:36.03 | jelly | average_1rifter: I still don't see your hexdump -C of input and output file, dude. Have you tried dumping the urldecoded stream somewhere and running "file" on it? |
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| 13:36.49 | jelly | average_1rifter: it's harder to provide suggestions without actual data you're working with |
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| 13:37.13 | ManoftheSea | average_1rifter: after decoding, it's supposed to be ascii. |
| 13:37.27 | GridCube | im having a problem, im trying to install mysql-workbench.deb using: http_proxy=10.10.10.2:8080 gdebi-gtk mysql-workbench.deb and it failing telling me it cant connect to: 8080:80 |
| 13:37.30 | average_1rifter | jelly: I am working on a small testcase so I can show it |
| 13:37.32 | GridCube | what im doing wrong? |
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| 13:39.03 | jordanm | GridCube: why do you need a http proxy to install a local deb file? |
| 13:39.21 | babilen | ,v mysql-workbench |
| 13:39.23 | judd | Package: mysql-workbench on i386 -- sid: 5.2.40+dfsg-1+b1; wheezy: 5.2.40+dfsg-1+b1; experimental: 5.2.43+dfsg-1~exp0 |
| 13:39.35 | babilen | GridCube: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 13:39.42 | GridCube | 6.0.1 |
| 13:39.51 | GridCube | theres not workbench on synaptic |
| 13:40.07 | jordanm | I use the upstream deb in squeeze, shouldn't be an issue |
| 13:40.11 | GridCube | jordanm, it need sot update packages |
| 13:40.25 | babilen | GridCube: Indeed and you shouldn't manually install the package if you don't want to mess up your system. where is that package from and what are you trying to achieve? |
| 13:40.27 | GridCube | and download 11 more |
| 13:40.32 | jordanm | GridCube: dpkg -i <package>; apt-get install -f |
| 13:40.50 | jordanm | presumably its from the oracle website |
| 13:41.18 | GridCube | babilen, im trying to install mysql-workbench, from oracle, to manage mysql databases. |
| 13:41.33 | babilen | jordanm: No idea -- The Debian one depends on libmysqlclient18 (>= 5.5.24+dfsg-1) which would be hard to satisfy on squeeze |
| 13:42.08 | jordanm | babilen: that's probably because it was linked against that when it was compiled. I bet recompiling against 5.1 would work fine |
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| 13:42.18 | amcsi_work | hello |
| 13:42.27 | babilen | It should also be trivial to backport the sid packages (See "/msg judd checkbackport mysql-workbench" and "/msg dpkg ssb" for details) |
| 13:42.34 | GridCube | oh! i encapsulated the proxy ip on "" and it works now :3 |
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| 13:42.50 | jordanm | babilen: I am using 5.2.40 on squeeze currently |
| 13:43.16 | babilen | jordanm: Yeah, it is fine. I just wanted to make sure that GridCube doesn't mess up her/his packaging system and just didn't want to assume that unsupported third-party packages are being used. |
| 13:43.50 | amcsi_work | we have a dev server with debian that has 500 mb of ram and 1gb or swap. ssh-ing on that server has been extremely slow! We are running php projects on it. free -m reports there is 100MB of RAM free (inlucing cached memory). Does this explain the extreme slowness? |
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| 13:44.17 | babilen | GridCube: You have two options: Either backport mysql-workbench from sid (as per "/msg dpkg ssb") which would be the supported (by us) way or follow jordanm's advice. |
| 13:44.18 | dkr | no |
| 13:44.20 | GridCube | :) thanks babilen, your concern is dudedly noten |
| 13:44.42 | jordanm | amcsi_work: 100MB is not a lot of disk cache. as far as it being slow, try disabling UseDNS in sshd_config |
| 13:44.46 | GridCube | babilen, gdebi its doin its work now, i encapsulated the proxy ip and its working properly |
| 13:44.49 | babilen | GridCube: It might be that the Debian package integrates better into the Debian system, but that is pure conjecture |
| 13:45.05 | amcsi_work | 100MB free and cache together |
| 13:45.09 | dkr | amcsi_work: doesn't your company have a sysadmin that should be investigating this? |
| 13:45.12 | jordanm | amcsi_work: tjat |
| 13:45.17 | jordanm | amcsi_work: that's even worse |
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| 13:45.44 | bullgard4 | 'man mc': "Internal File Editor > Ctrl+Ins copies to the file mcedit.clip." Why does there not exist a file mcedit.clip on my wheezy computer? |
| 13:45.56 | jordanm | amcsi_work: disk caching is good for performance, the more the better |
| 13:46.27 | amcsi_work | I know, I'm just basically asking whether 100MB is enough for me to be ssh-ing normally |
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| 13:46.35 | dkr | amcsi_work: it is |
| 13:46.54 | boudiccas | why, when i use this line in a cron job .. /usr/bin/aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' >/home/boztu/cron/package_list_$(date +%F) .. does it work from the command line but from the cron job i get an email saying this .. /bin/sh: 1: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string . i'm puzzled and dont know what to do , can anybody suggest a solution please? |
| 13:47.18 | dkr | boudiccas: % has special meaning in cron entries. you need to escape it. man 5 crontab |
| 13:47.20 | jordanm | boudiccas: % is special to cron |
| 13:47.28 | jordanm | its the same as newline IIRC |
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| 13:49.40 | dkr | we could probably train a bot to recognize issues like that, print "escape your % signs. man 5 crontab" if /cron/ && /%/; |
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| 13:55.48 | boudiccas | so, i've read the relevant section of the man page, but i dont know what the solution is, can anyone suggest one for me please? |
| 13:56.28 | pzn | is there any way of root user to "get an screenshot" of other user running X? |
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| 13:56.57 | dkr | boudiccas: 'escaped with a backslash" means placing a \ in the position immediately before the % i.e. date +\%F |
| 13:56.57 | jhutchins_wk | amcsi_work: What's your cpu usage like? That's much more significant than free ram for an ascii terminal (ssh). |
| 13:57.18 | yalu | pzn: exporting and importing X cookies and setting DISPLAY |
| 13:57.32 | boudiccas | dkr,ah, right, i'll try that and see if t works at 2300 tonight then. thanks |
| 13:57.34 | jhutchins_wk | amcsi_work: heavy swap could create a high cpu load, iostat will show that. |
| 13:57.39 | yalu | I don't know the commands by heart, I think with xauth |
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| 13:58.23 | pzn | yalu, how can I get the list of active DISPLAYs? |
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| 14:00.37 | DammitJim | what is an alternative to the file command where one can figure out the file type of a file? |
| 14:00.38 | niels1 | boudiccas, dkr, the error message suggests that the first % might need to be escaped, too |
| 14:01.10 | dkr | niels1: no "might" about it. definitely. :) |
| 14:01.21 | jhutchins_wk | pzn: You're actually not supposed to be able to do that, but you can with something like x11vnc |
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| 14:02.45 | boudiccas | dkr: theres actuall #2# % so i've amended it to .. /usr/bin/aptitude search -F '\%100p' '~i!~M' >/home/boztu/cron/package_list_$(date +\%F) ... and i'll see if that works. thanks for your help |
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| 14:03.04 | pzn | jhutchins_wk, the real question would be that: I have a customer that works in the security market... for audit purposes, he wants to take one screenshot every 30 seconds of all X sessions of all users... I think that is crazy idea, but I'd like to know if it is technically possible |
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| 14:03.23 | babilen | DammitJim: Why don't you just use file? |
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| 14:03.43 | DammitJim | because this embedded system doesn't have it |
| 14:03.48 | DammitJim | they use some kind of busybox |
| 14:03.57 | DammitJim | without it LOL |
| 14:03.58 | babilen | DammitJim: Then ask "them" |
| 14:04.14 | DammitJim | I know it's not Debian, but you guys know everything and maybe there was an easy alternative |
| 14:04.28 | amcsi_work | jhutchins_wk: http://pastebin.com/bj5xfsFS |
| 14:04.31 | niels1 | if there's no "file", chances are there's no replacement |
| 14:04.41 | jelly | or install it |
| 14:04.50 | dkr | DammitJim: copy the file to a debian system and use file. :) |
| 14:05.04 | jelly | or share the filesystem... and use file |
| 14:05.12 | babilen | In short: Just use file |
| 14:05.26 | jelly | Resistance is futile. |
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| 14:07.27 | DammitJim | ok, thanks |
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| 14:09.41 | jhutchins_wk | !paste |
| 14:09.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:09.59 | jhutchins_wk | amcsi_work: Dunno why you're pasting, but pastebin.com is blocked from here. |
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| 14:10.07 | dkr | the number of data types libmagic (used by file) supports is quite impressive. "melong: A four-byte value in middle-endian (PDP-11) byte order." |
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| 14:11.27 | abrotman | i'm not even sure that's a Debian paste .. |
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| 14:13.58 | amcsi_work | jhutchins_wk: http://codepad.org/3aRzhTae |
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| 14:29.50 | boudiccas | while doing an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' this morning on wheezy, this message scrolled by .. WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/boztu/.cache/keyring-IB9lXK/pkcs11: No such file or directory ... but 'gnome-keyring' is already installed. presumably it then needs to be configured, but i cant see anymenu item for it in xfce's menu |
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| 14:31.54 | ManoftheSea | boudiccas: sounds like it was trying to access a smartcard. Do you use a smartcard? |
| 14:32.17 | boudiccas | no, just one internal h/d and one external usb h/d |
| 14:32.38 | ManoftheSea | um, that's nothing to do with a smartcard. |
| 14:32.44 | ManoftheSea | You probably don't need to worry about it. |
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| 14:33.36 | boudiccas | ManoftheSea: okay, thanks. i took it ot mean that it was some artifact of a squeze->wheezy upgrade that had failed |
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| 14:37.22 | amcsi_work | <jhutchins_wk> amcsi_work: heavy swap could create a high cpu load, iostat will show that. <- http://codepad.org/3aRzhTae Do I have heavy swap and a high cpu load? |
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| 14:39.24 | jhutchins_wk | amcsi_work: run iostat 2 or something to do ongoing monitoring. Look at whatever partition is your swap. If you see a lot of activity that says you're swapping. The most common tool to look at cpu load is top. |
| 14:40.21 | boudiccas | or you could use 'atop' which i think is better and clearer too |
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| 14:41.09 | Leaving | Hi. I have a problem with my midi keyboard that I was unable to solve using the Internet. The problem is that aconnect does not see my midi keyboard (now other midi software) but amidi does, and cat /dev/midi1 works. |
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| 14:41.47 | yalu | ok so I really can't find gnutls' search path for CA certificates. gnutls-cli says "Got a certificate list of 2 certificates" (only 2!) |
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| 14:42.03 | amcsi_work | thank you |
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| 14:53.23 | jtr | how do i configure my bcm4313 driver ( wireless ) |
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| 14:55.04 | jhutchins_wk | boudiccas: Top is more likely to be installed. |
| 14:55.23 | boudiccas | jhutchins_wk: true |
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| 14:56.36 | jtr | make: *** /lib/modules/3.2.0-3-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 14:56.47 | jtr | can someone help me with the above error? |
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| 14:57.24 | jhutchins_wk | jtr: I thought that worked fine with the native drivers. |
| 14:57.31 | jhutchins_wk | jtr: Are you following a guide? |
| 14:57.35 | jtr | yes |
| 14:58.07 | jhutchins_wk | !b43 |
| 14:58.08 | dpkg | b43 is a driver supporting PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips, part of the Linux kernel. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by <b43legacy>. For BCM4313/4321/4322/43224/43225 (802.11n) device support, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 15:13.40 | bluesm | Do you know Where i can search for help, related to Modem LTE? |
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| 15:14.33 | tommy28 | ciciciao |
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| 15:17.46 | colo-work | we got a pair of identical servers today. one powercycles/reboots when booting the Debian kernel, the other works fine. I don't know if there's a kernel panic happening. how could I make sure the kernel won't reboot the machine if that's the case, but show what's the problem on the console indefinitely? |
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| 15:21.17 | sney | colo-work, hook up a serial console |
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| 15:27.23 | tommy28 | ciao |
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| 15:33.54 | cardamon | Will apt-get -d dist-upgrade just download the files? |
| 15:34.22 | cardamon | I might get interrupted and want to make sure I can do something I can resume later. |
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| 15:42.15 | jhutchins_wk | colo-work: If it's a controllable condition, check /etc/sysctl.conf for the kernel.panic setting. Integer number of seconds to wait before a reboot after kernel panic. |
| 15:42.27 | jhutchins_wk | colo-work: 0 = do not reboot. |
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| 15:43.06 | jhutchins_wk | colo-work: Some kinds of crash will cause a reboot anyway. |
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| 15:47.46 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 15:47.52 | TheWarden | What Debian package contains the Gnome Startup Applications in the System menu -> Preferences? |
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| 15:50.34 | TheWarden | I've done some searches through pacakages but so far I haven't found it. Maybe its just a part of gnome-session |
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| 15:51.21 | TheWarden | mm not that I see it there |
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| 15:56.46 | GoodBehavist | helo frinz |
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| 16:00.47 | TheWarden | also lxshortcut from what I understand is a GUI to handle editing and adding shortcuts. However I don't see an entry in my LXDE menu and nor does it load up when I run the command in the Terminal. I do however have some command line parameters I can provide to lxshortcut. |
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| 16:03.36 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Is lxshortcut on your system? Is it in your path? |
| 16:03.41 | boudiccas | TheWais 'lxeshortcut' installed? maybe you need to install it before it runs? |
| 16:04.02 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: yes it is on my system and I have it installed. |
| 16:04.37 | boudiccas | damned tab autocompletion! |
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| 16:05.14 | boudiccas | TheWarden: could you not use 'alacarte' as you have gnome on your box? |
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| 16:05.58 | TheWarden | boudiccas: I was not aware of this program but I'm using LXDE. |
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| 16:06.30 | boudiccas | TheWarden: i'm usinbg xfce and it works okay on that |
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| 16:06.52 | TheWarden | boudiccas: oh wait I just saw a screen shot I've seen this before but its not present on my system. Oh really mmm well I'll look at it but I would like to figure out lxshortcut |
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| 16:07.24 | uskerine | hi |
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| 16:07.42 | TheWarden | boudiccas: alacarte is a menu editor and lxshortcut is an editor for .desktop files for the menu or desktop itself. Not sure it would work well with LXDE but maybe. |
| 16:08.03 | uskerine | how can I setup my console keyboard to Spanish? |
| 16:08.35 | boudiccas | TheWarden: ah, i assumed that lxde has a 'static' menu, a la gnome and xfce. maybe it will not work in your case then, try it and see |
| 16:08.37 | uskerine | I have tried dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
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| 16:09.50 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: any suggestions to make lxshortcut work? Do I need another package for the GUI? As it appears its only a command line tool thus far playing with it. However I've not been able to edit an existing desktop file with it though. |
| 16:11.20 | GoodBehavist | umm |
| 16:11.34 | GoodBehavist | my top panel icon order got messed |
| 16:11.37 | GoodBehavist | how i fix? |
| 16:12.08 | mtn | loves vague questions |
| 16:12.28 | mtn | is often happy :) |
| 16:12.52 | GoodBehavist | H A L P ! |
| 16:13.01 | sney | !ask |
| 16:13.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:13.24 | GoodBehavist | my top panel icon order got messed |
| 16:13.37 | GoodBehavist | after upgrade |
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| 16:15.48 | sney | GoodBehavist, what debian version? what desktop? what does "got messed" mean? we are not at your computer with you and cannot read your mind. |
| 16:16.07 | themill | GoodBehavist: we can't see your screen. We have no idea what you might be trying to describe |
| 16:16.25 | tty01 | anyone use FAI here? |
| 16:16.36 | sney | !anyone |
| 16:16.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 16:16.51 | GoodBehavist | ok the icons on the right |
| 16:17.01 | GoodBehavist | they are now behind the search icon |
| 16:17.05 | GoodBehavist | wtffff |
| 16:17.14 | ManoftheSea | GoodBehavist: are you on Ubuntu? |
| 16:17.25 | GoodBehavist | debian 6.0.5 |
| 16:17.34 | sney | it's like pulling teeth. |
| 16:17.43 | GoodBehavist | wat |
| 16:17.55 | ManoftheSea | Are you using gnome-shell? |
| 16:18.10 | GoodBehavist | yes |
| 16:18.11 | sney | you might be able to right click on whatever you are talking about, and select "move", but since you won't give us any details about what you are using, that's just a GUESS. |
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| 16:18.27 | GoodBehavist | do u kno y this hapen tho? |
| 16:18.34 | ManoftheSea | What icons? Gnome-shell doesn't have icons on the right... |
| 16:18.44 | ManoftheSea | or a search icon. |
| 16:19.04 | sney | ManoftheSea, I doubt this guy knows what gnome-shell is. also, debian 6 does not offer gnome 3 in any fashion |
| 16:19.06 | GoodBehavist | o hay moving workd |
| 16:19.07 | GoodBehavist | thx |
| 16:19.21 | ManoftheSea | sney: That's sorta what I was getting at. |
| 16:19.30 | GoodBehavist | stop being a bitch |
| 16:19.41 | ManoftheSea | GoodBehavist: Ask a good question. |
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| 16:20.06 | ManoftheSea | This may require you to do some searching on your own. |
| 16:20.25 | GoodBehavist | dood i fukin fixed it dipshit |
| 16:20.42 | GoodBehavist | i just forgot how to get to the move option |
| 16:20.57 | GoodBehavist | my question is why did upgrade rearange my icons |
| 16:21.06 | ManoftheSea | Can we get a kick over here? |
| 16:21.10 | sney | ManoftheSea, shush. |
| 16:21.32 | GoodBehavist | sney> ManoftheSea, I doubt this guy knows what gnome-shell is |
| 16:21.37 | GoodBehavist | u fukin kiding me |
| 16:21.42 | GoodBehavist | id kick u in the face for that |
| 16:21.53 | sney | well, you don't, because you said you are using it, but gnome-shell does not exist in debian 6.0.5. |
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| 16:22.05 | GoodBehavist | o |
| 16:22.07 | sney | you are using gnome 2, which is not the same thing as gnome-shell. |
| 16:22.12 | GoodBehavist | ah |
| 16:22.17 | GoodBehavist | cool |
| 16:22.23 | GoodBehavist | what is gone shel |
| 16:22.38 | sney | www.gnome.org it's all over the front page. gnome shell is gnome 3. |
| 16:22.49 | GoodBehavist | oh i c |
| 16:22.58 | GoodBehavist | but ppl said they dun like gnome 3 |
| 16:23.08 | ManoftheSea | I like Gnome-shell. |
| 16:23.10 | sney | as for why an upgrade moved your icons, it probably didn't, you likely just hit the move option by accident. I do it sometimes too |
| 16:23.24 | GoodBehavist | no i srsly didnt |
| 16:23.33 | GoodBehavist | when i reboted my icons were messed |
| 16:23.35 | sney | people like things, people don't like things, people always have a problem when something makes a big change. I think it's fine but I don't use it. whatever |
| 16:24.02 | sney | anyway if it happens again you know what to do |
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| 16:24.29 | GoodBehavist | no i still cant move the app icons |
| 16:24.34 | GoodBehavist | only search and time |
| 16:24.46 | GoodBehavist | gah im idiot |
| 16:24.51 | ManoftheSea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:26.44 | GoodBehavist | sux to be nuub |
| 16:26.47 | GoodBehavist | :~ |
| 16:27.10 | sney | the gnome site has a lot of help pages for configuring the panel too, it knows a lot more than I do |
| 16:27.36 | GoodBehavist | y the hel did this hapen |
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| 16:31.24 | bullgard4 | 'man mc': "Internal File Editor > Ctrl+Ins copies to the file mcedit.clip." Why does there not exist a file mcedit.clip on my wheezy computer? |
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| 16:33.02 | sney | it is probably only created when you use that mc function |
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| 16:37.26 | boudiccas | GoodBehavist: please, speak in english , its much easier to understand what you're /actually/ saying than trying to understand you're broken english |
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| 16:38.11 | abrotman | boudiccas: your ... |
| 16:38.37 | boudiccas | abrotman: point taken |
| 16:38.54 | ManoftheSea | boudiccas: English, its |
| 16:39.08 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:39.21 | abrotman | we'll ignore all the punctuation errors :) |
| 16:39.25 | ManoftheSea | I mean, if nits exist to be picked. |
| 16:39.45 | GoodBehavist | lol |
| 16:39.48 | GoodBehavist | dats my point |
| 16:40.04 | GoodBehavist | yall kant speak gud |
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| 16:40.17 | mtn | egads |
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| 16:40.27 | GoodBehavist | at least i know my then and thans |
| 16:40.38 | ManoftheSea | I moved your icons, GoodBehavist. I did it to mess with you. |
| 16:40.43 | sney | squint |
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| 16:40.47 | GoodBehavist | -.- |
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| 16:40.56 | GoodBehavist | move it back ManoftheSea |
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| 16:41.14 | GoodBehavist | gah i can program 3d games but i cant move icon |
| 16:41.16 | GoodBehavist | :~ |
| 16:41.47 | abrotman | GoodBehavist: If you're not going to speak something resembling english, please consider that no one can understand what you're saying and won't be able to help you |
| 16:41.59 | sney | I bet if you looked at the gnome.org help for configuring the panel, you could find out everything you want to know about changing gnome2 panel settings. |
| 16:42.06 | abrotman | for gnome3? |
| 16:42.17 | GoodBehavist | abrotman: its ok |
| 16:42.25 | ManoftheSea | abrotman: 6.0.5, Gnome 2 |
| 16:42.26 | GoodBehavist | i got my help |
| 16:42.30 | abrotman | okay |
| 16:42.39 | GoodBehavist | its fun to talk liek dis |
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| 16:42.59 | abrotman | GoodBehavist: Good luck |
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| 16:45.29 | bullgard4 | sney: Yes indeed. You are right. I have checked that. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
| 16:46.57 | Sirius | good afternoon folks |
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| 16:52.06 | hashpuppy | how do i modify my postgres user so it's not a system account, but has a home directory |
| 16:52.16 | hashpuppy | with bash and a password |
| 16:52.24 | hashpuppy | sudo usermod -d /var/lib/postgresql postgres |
| 16:52.26 | hashpuppy | said no changes |
| 16:52.51 | nkuttler | hashpuppy: hm, why do you want to do that? |
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| 16:53.26 | hashpuppy | i'm setting up a backup management solution and it needs access to the postgres user w/ passwordless ssh key setup |
| 16:53.42 | hashpuppy | nkuttler: are there any negatives to doing this? |
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| 16:54.18 | simonlnu | um, rsync? |
| 16:54.22 | nkuttler | hashpuppy: not sure. i create users for accessing postgres, so i always have a shell |
| 16:56.09 | boudiccas | TheWarden: have you sorted out your menu problem? was alacarte able to solve it for you? |
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| 16:57.11 | TheWarden | boudiccas: nope, not menu atuo start applications. I was wanting to use lxshortcut. I haven't tried the one you suggested. busy documenting things. |
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| 16:58.27 | boudiccas | in your 'system enu' is there an item for 'main menu'? if so, that might be the shortcut to lxshortcut |
| 16:58.36 | boudiccas | system menu |
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| 17:00.59 | TheWarden | boudiccas: no I don't have that. |
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| 17:07.33 | TheWarden | boudiccas: I figured out how to get the lxshortcut GUI up when creating a new shortcut via the Terminal. |
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| 17:07.51 | boudiccas | TheWarden: ah, how? |
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| 17:09.57 | TheWarden | boudiccas: lxshortcut -o ~/Desktop/test.desktop |
| 17:10.23 | boudiccas | TheWarden: ah, thanks |
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| 17:12.56 | TheWarden | boudiccas: To edit an existing .desktop file do lxshortcut -i ~/.config/autostart/test.desktop |
| 17:13.11 | boudiccas | i did try lxde but found the default desktop/theme too dark to actually see anything of what i was doing, so i stick with xfce where i can see exactly what i'm doing. |
| 17:13.15 | TheWarden | boudiccas: so far I've found this tool neat but very limiting at least from what I've read these files can do. |
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| 17:13.49 | TheWarden | boudiccas: yeah I choice lxde because its light weight. I don't need much as most of it is not used very often. |
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| 17:14.01 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: blog it for future use, and helping others too |
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| 17:14.47 | boudiccas | thewanderer1: sorry, i meant TheWarden |
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| 17:17.17 | TheWarden | boudiccas: yeah good idea. I found this out playing around with the parameters then I found this http://wiki.lxde.org/pt/LXDE:FAQ look under LXShortcut :-). |
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| 17:33.29 | boudiccas | new pidgin, time for a restart then |
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| 17:38.16 | JordiGH | sudo in my chroot isn't behaving nicely, saying "unable to find host Iris" (that's my localhost) and thus always prompting for a password. How do I fix this? |
| 17:39.04 | acxty | HI guys, I connect to a server using ssh fine, but if I don't work on the connection for a while when I try to access it I get DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: ... I am using sftp connect to server and squeeze |
| 17:39.32 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: fix /etc/hosts in the chroot, usually |
| 17:40.50 | JordiGH | Hm, well, that silenced sudo's warning |
| 17:40.57 | JordiGH | Still asking me for a password every time... |
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| 17:41.27 | simonlnu | that's a sudo thing |
| 17:41.39 | simonlnu | check the timestamp dir |
| 17:41.48 | JordiGH | simonlnu: Where is that? |
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| 17:42.57 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: /var/lib/sudo |
| 17:43.16 | ParadoxG | I keep getting 404's in my aptitude update: "Err http://ftp.debian.org wheezy-updates/main amd64 Packages" ? |
| 17:43.22 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: that may also indicate that the permissions on /var/lib/sudo (or somewhere in that path) are wrong |
| 17:43.29 | dondelelcaro | ParadoxG: there's no wheezy-updates |
| 17:43.35 | dondelelcaro | ParadoxG: it won't exist until after the release |
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| 17:44.06 | JordiGH | Huh, /var/lib/sudo has only permissions for root. |
| 17:44.10 | JordiGH | Is that wrong? |
| 17:44.16 | ParadoxG | I generated it from: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 17:44.30 | JordiGH | No, that's wrong... |
| 17:44.32 | JordiGH | Er, right. |
| 17:44.34 | nkuttler | JordiGH: what makes you think that's wrong? |
| 17:44.40 | ParadoxG | I want to use always testing, not wheezy. So, I just don't need that line? |
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| 17:45.29 | ParadoxG | also, what is the difference of wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates from security? |
| 17:46.03 | sney | rather than always using testing, it's wiser to stick with wheezy and keep an eye on jessie (wheezy+1 testing) development until it quiets down. Debian testing immediately following a stable release can be a huge mess. |
| 17:46.42 | segv | this is kind of annoying, got a macmini 5,1 it loads passed the 'loading initial ramdisk" |
| 17:46.45 | segv | then goes to a black screen |
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| 17:47.01 | segv | I think its kernel panic'ing but I can't tell and all the options nomodeset etc. etc. seem to be ignored |
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| 17:47.06 | JordiGH | sney: I use stable because I'm too old for this shit of chasing a constantly moving target. |
| 17:47.13 | JordiGH | Firefox 3.6 for life, yo. |
| 17:47.15 | ParadoxG | sney, Oh, I see. Thanks for that note. I think in that case I'll switch. |
| 17:47.29 | JordiGH | sney: And I have a chroot for when I feel young and vibrant and want to test the hot new thing. |
| 17:47.40 | JordiGH | But my chroot's sudo is right now being stupid. |
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| 17:47.53 | jhutchins_wk | segv: The syntax of the kernel commands varies from kernel to kernel (and more so distro to distron). |
| 17:48.45 | JordiGH | sney: I also use stable because I don't like bugs, and if there are bugs, I want them to be carefully documented and known. Better the bug you know than the bug you don't. |
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| 17:48.52 | segv | jhutchins_wk: figured that much, but it's ignoring *every* option i've specified |
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| 17:49.28 | segv | I've installed it, just want to boot it without high-resolution terminal because I know that's probably what's breaking |
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| 17:49.42 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: sudo -v; should give you some more information |
| 17:49.56 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: but I'd then check the timestamps on /var/lib/sudo/useruserid |
| 17:50.05 | Cart__ | Hey Guys |
| 17:50.20 | sney | JordiGH: are you using backports with your stable install? there are some pretty big changes between squeeze and wheezy so I'm not surprised if binary compatibility is getting weird. a VM would be a wiser solution for testing the new hotness without contaminating your stable environment |
| 17:51.04 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: /var/lib/sudo/jordi seems empty! |
| 17:51.08 | JordiGH | Actually, is empty. |
| 17:51.12 | Cart__ | HEY guy I have a HUGE problem :( |
| 17:51.20 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yeah, it should be empty; just the timestamp matters |
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| 17:51.46 | JordiGH | sney: Yeah, if I care enough about some package, I use backports. If I care even more and there is no backport, I do my own backport (and I modify debian/changelog with my own +jordigh version number just to know I made my own backport). |
| 17:51.46 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: err, actually; sorry. it should have the tty that you're using in it |
| 17:51.55 | Cart__ | I had to reinsatll windows today and by doing so I wiped the boot record and now I cant seem to Choose my Linux on startup anymore :( all my stuff is on there |
| 17:52.00 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's possible that you don't actually have a tty there |
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| 17:52.11 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: In my normal setup, /var/lib/sudo/jordi has a bunch of ttys in there. In my chroot, it's empty. |
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| 17:52.24 | Cart__ | is there some manual way I could write a new boot list thingy? |
| 17:52.32 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yeah; I bet if you turn off tty_tickets in the chroot, it'll just wort |
| 17:52.35 | dondelelcaro | s/wort/work/ |
| 17:52.59 | dkr | Cart__: boot from rescue cd and re-run grub-install |
| 17:53.31 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Ah, sounds reasonable. I do believe I had other tty issues in my chroot. How do I turn off that thing in my chroot? |
| 17:53.32 | Cart__ | ahm...I dont have a rescue CD..will a Bootable Linux mint CD work? |
| 17:54.09 | dkr | Cart__: you can use the normal debian install cd and just choose rescue option |
| 17:55.17 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: 'Defaults tty_tickets = off' in /etc/sudoers should do it |
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| 17:55.29 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: but use visudo to change that just in case I've given it to you wrongly |
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| 17:55.53 | JordiGH | Oh, I thought that was some chroot setting. |
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| 17:56.33 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: nah, it's a sudo thing; you could probably get around it by bind mounting /dev/pty in the chroot, but that's not really necessary |
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| 18:03.01 | segv | THis is driving me up a wall, no kernel options seem to be working, all ignored, I just need debug and low resolution x-x |
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| 18:06.59 | xingu | segv: try ... video=radeonfb:off video=nvidiafb:off video=vesafb:off video=uvesafb:off |
| 18:07.07 | JordiGH | Man, sudoers(5) is written in BNF... |
| 18:07.13 | segv | xingu: will give that a shot |
| 18:07.16 | JordiGH | I can't figure out the syntax. |
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| 18:07.49 | tziOm | How would I add a mount option from a debian package.. I would want to add usrquota to home partition (if it exists) |
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| 18:08.17 | p8m | JordiGH: There should be some examples at the bottom of the man page. |
| 18:08.40 | JordiGH | Aha. |
| 18:09.15 | segv | xingu: do I put that on the GRUB_CMDLINE, or specify that on the actual entry for the boot |
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| 18:10.15 | segv | kernel line ;) |
| 18:10.39 | xingu | segv: what you said. :) |
| 18:11.01 | somiaj | the actual grub menu is autogenerated so if you edit that file your edits will be removed next time it is auto generated. |
| 18:11.12 | somiaj | that is why you use GRUB_CMDLINE -- that gets used in the autogeneration. |
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| 18:11.34 | JordiGH | p8m: dondelelcaro: Thanks guys, figured out the syntax, sudo on my chroot is behaving less annoyingly. :-) |
| 18:11.36 | p8m | You can hit 'e' at the grub menu to edit an entry for a single boot, to try a setting |
| 18:11.42 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: cool |
| 18:12.07 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yeah, BNF is actually really awesome once you understand it, but it's god-awful complicated when you don't |
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| 18:14.15 | segv | xingu: that didn't work, seems to be anothe problem I am guessing |
| 18:14.18 | segv | it's just locking up |
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| 18:14.40 | dondelelcaro | segv: are you seeing any output at all? |
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| 18:14.51 | dondelelcaro | segv: because if you aren't, that may mean that the kernel hasn't even begun executing at all |
| 18:14.52 | segv | dondelelcaro: no, it gets passed loading initial ramdisk |
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| 18:14.54 | segv | then goes back |
| 18:14.55 | segv | black** |
| 18:15.09 | dondelelcaro | segv: and you're not passing quiet or anything else? |
| 18:15.18 | segv | i changed quiet to verbose |
| 18:15.32 | segv | updated grub and it's just freezing |
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| 18:15.46 | dondelelcaro | segv: hrm... to me, that would suggest that you have the wrong kernel, or it's not starting executing in the right place, or similar |
| 18:15.55 | segv | yeah |
| 18:15.56 | dondelelcaro | segv: oh, you haven't changed anything but grub? |
| 18:16.01 | segv | nope |
| 18:16.03 | segv | just grub itself |
| 18:16.10 | segv | well the config |
| 18:16.18 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Oh, I understand it, and I actually had to read it in order to understand how to turn off tty_tickets (it turns out you need a line like "Defaults !tty_tickets"), but damn, what kind of nerd writes these and puts mostly useless examples at the very end? |
| 18:16.54 | JordiGH | I've written my own BNF grammars. |
| 18:17.07 | JordiGH | Documentation sucks. :-( |
| 18:17.14 | xingu | JordiGH: someone who's just coming back to planet earth after writing a MIB parser? |
| 18:17.46 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yeah... but at least with BNF, it's documented. |
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| 18:19.45 | segv | I know this thing can boot the current kernel cause the livecd uses the same version of the kernel to get it into rescue mode |
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| 18:24.29 | xingu | segv: is grub-efi or grub-efi-amd64 installed? |
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| 18:24.45 | segv | grub-efi-amd64 (i use the efi option to boot, so easy) |
| 18:24.48 | segv | I think i figured it out.... |
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| 18:24.52 | segv | Sandybridge :( |
| 18:24.54 | segv | HD 3000 video |
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| 18:25.13 | segv | seems to be a big issue with the video |
| 18:25.47 | jhutchins_wk | Well that's dumb. xubuntu-desktop installs abi-office even if you already have openoffice installed. |
| 18:26.33 | p8m | JordiGH: If you can come up with some better examples the sudo maintainer would probably take them |
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| 18:28.07 | Mogget | Hey guys. I need to automate the configuration of a script that will be run by cron every x minutes. How can i do this? Putting the script in /etc/cron.hourly/ does is not often enough. |
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| 18:29.35 | babilen | Mogget: To clarify: You want your script to run more often than once per hour? This is furthermore *not* about ways in which you can automate "the configuration of scripts" (whatever that might be) ? |
| 18:29.43 | jordanm | Mogget: place a crontab file in /etc/cron.d/ |
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| 18:29.49 | danols | hi all |
| 18:30.02 | babilen | !tell Mogget -about cron tutorial |
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| 18:30.05 | babilen | !tell Mogget -about cron |
| 18:30.15 | danols | could someone tell me the philosophy why bye default cron.log is disabled in rsyslog.conf file? |
| 18:30.31 | Mogget | babilen: i know how to create a crontab using crontab -e, but never tried automating adding a line to crontab. |
| 18:30.32 | danols | s/bye/by |
| 18:30.42 | segv | I believe its like that because it logs to system.log |
| 18:30.49 | Mogget | I think jordanm gave me a good answer. thanks guys. |
| 18:31.15 | jordanm | danols: best place to look for that info would be archived rsyslog bug reports |
| 18:31.53 | babilen | Mogget: Ah, ok. I misunderstood your question in that case. What are you really trying to do? Are you installing software locally? On multiple machines? |
| 18:32.00 | danols | jordanm: it's a debian decission to disable it by default - can anyone else chime in perhaps ? |
| 18:32.10 | jordanm | danols: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=625483 |
| 18:32.24 | jordanm | danols: its a decision of the rsyslog maintainer |
| 18:32.38 | jordanm | he who does the work, makes the decisions, that's how it works |
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| 18:32.44 | danweh | Mogget: */x * * * * |
| 18:32.46 | danols | jordanm: 10-4 |
| 18:32.47 | danols | thanks |
| 18:32.49 | danols | reading it now |
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| 18:39.44 | local7 | hey guys, i just upgraded php5-common to install php5-ldap on squeeze, then i installed 5.3.3.7~squeeze14 via dpkg -i, now i am getting this error trying to apt-get install php5-fpm: php5-fpm : Depends: php5-common (= 5.4.4-7) but 5.3.3-7+squeeze14 is to be installed |
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| 18:41.14 | local7 | how do i fix this so that php 5.3.3.7~squeeze14 is fully installed with php5-fpm php5-cgi php5-cli and php5-mysql |
| 18:41.18 | JordiGH | How can I test a squeeze->wheezy upgrade path for a particular package? |
| 18:41.20 | jordanm | local7: that is not a debian provided package |
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| 18:41.30 | JordiGH | I think someone may have messed up for Octave. ;_; |
| 18:41.37 | JordiGH | Messed up the upgrade path, I mean. |
| 18:41.44 | Mogget | babilen: I created some software that needs a script checking if the daemon is running every 5 ish minutes. The cron.d folder worked wonderfully. |
| 18:41.53 | local7 | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/all/php5/download shows php5_5.3.3-7+squeeze14_all.deb: |
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| 18:42.13 | dondelelcaro | local7: that sounds like you're mixing wheezy and squeeze packages. |
| 18:42.14 | jordanm | Mogget: there are tons of existing monitoring tools and daemon watchers out there already... |
| 18:42.19 | dondelelcaro | local7: php5-fpm doesn't exist in squeeze. |
| 18:42.21 | babilen | Mogget: Do you distribute it via Debian packages? |
| 18:42.28 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: I am betting on dotdeb |
| 18:42.35 | thewanderer1 | I think it's wheezy |
| 18:43.00 | local7 | idc if it's mixing packages, just as long as it works, any idea how to go about fixing it? |
| 18:43.12 | dondelelcaro | local7: and in general, you shouldn't be using dpkg -i to install anything. |
| 18:43.25 | thewanderer1 | "as long as it works" is making a wrong assumption... |
| 18:43.37 | majuscule | How can I add a new file to a patch with quilt? I can only seem to add existing files and track changes to them |
| 18:43.38 | local7 | it is, but it won't be touched after it works |
| 18:43.41 | dondelelcaro | local7: it won't work if you're mixing packages. Do you actually need php5-fpm? |
| 18:43.44 | local7 | yes |
| 18:43.49 | thewanderer1 | so upgrade to Wheezy |
| 18:43.51 | dondelelcaro | local7: then you need to upgrade to wheezy. |
| 18:44.01 | local7 | ok won't that break other things though? |
| 18:44.04 | babilen | !tell local7 -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 18:44.16 | dondelelcaro | local7: or backport php5 from wheezy to squeeze. Either way will work. |
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| 18:44.26 | babilen | local7: Note that you won't get (real) security support and that you are running a development release. Do you *really* need php-fpm? |
| 18:44.38 | tintin | Which wireless keyboard and mouse can be used for debian? |
| 18:44.43 | tintin | Will logitech do? |
| 18:44.45 | dondelelcaro | tintin: pretty much any of them |
| 18:44.50 | local7 | yes, that's how the devs set it up |
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| 18:45.22 | thewanderer1 | tintin, any keyboard and any mouse which supports HID. I'm on Logitech and it works fine (although a few multi-media buttons are non-standard, i.e. do not function) |
| 18:45.22 | tintin | Why pretty much any of them? isn't there any specificity for linux? |
| 18:45.34 | tintin | What is HID? |
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| 18:45.45 | thewanderer1 | the protocol that all normal input devices speak |
| 18:45.50 | tintin | How much distance(meter) does that wireless keyboard support? |
| 18:46.09 | thewanderer1 | tintin, this varies greatly between models... mine does 2 metres, maybe 3 |
| 18:46.10 | tintin | Where is HID? How can i know if there is HID on my machine or not? |
| 18:46.27 | dondelelcaro | tintin: HID is a usb specification. Almost any USB device that does input supports it |
| 18:46.30 | thewanderer1 | tintin, just get a wireless set. it'll work... |
| 18:46.53 | local7 | what's the fastest way to get php5-fpm installed on squeeze without upgrading the os, regardless of conflicts |
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| 18:47.18 | dondelelcaro | local7: backport php5 from wheezy to squeeze. |
| 18:47.25 | dondelelcaro | tintin: see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/USB_human_interface_device_class if you want to know more. |
| 18:47.27 | JordiGH | local7: You should care about mixing packages from different releases, this way lies madness. |
| 18:47.37 | local7 | i'm aware |
| 18:47.48 | tintin | That means, wireless keyboard needs something like usb pendrive? |
| 18:47.52 | thewanderer1 | I would suggest the "fastest" to be -t wheezy... also the most error-prone in the long term (but hey, it works) |
| 18:48.03 | dondelelcaro | tintin: the wireless keyboard will come with it |
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| 18:48.32 | local7 | thewanderer1: apt-get -t wheezy install php5-fpm ? |
| 18:48.40 | tintin | Does the USB pendrive also come with wireless mouse too? |
| 18:48.51 | dondelelcaro | tintin: depends on what you buy |
| 18:49.09 | thewanderer1 | local7, yeah... and if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces :) |
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| 18:49.49 | tintin | i'm going to buy wireless mouse |
| 18:49.59 | tintin | also wireless keyboard |
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| 18:50.08 | majuscule | Is quilt incapable of adding a new file in a patch?? I must be missing something |
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| 18:51.13 | babilen | local7: I see the following options: Invest the time to create a proper backports of php5-fpm from wheezy/sid to squeeze. I don't expect this to be trivial (at all!). You can just upgrade to wheezy, but you won't be using a stable release that way. Another option is to run on Apache with libapache2-mod-php5 which doesn't require the installation of php5-fpm .. |
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| 18:52.32 | babilen | I guess that I should mention dotdeb for the sake of completeness |
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| 18:52.40 | babilen | (but I don't recommend it at all) |
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| 19:05.45 | tintin | Is there any battery issue for wireless keyboard? |
| 19:05.56 | tintin | Long battery life?get 24 months of keyboard power and 5 months of mouse power without changing batteries |
| 19:06.02 | thewanderer1 | not a Debian problem |
| 19:06.04 | tintin | http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Wireless-Combo-Keyboard-920-002950/dp/B004KSQANO |
| 19:06.09 | tintin | what does that mean? |
| 19:06.17 | thewanderer1 | go to ##hardware or something |
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| 19:07.56 | prietus | when i use bt sound the ath9k become crappy |
| 19:08.20 | local7 | thewanderer1: as soon as i did apt-get -t wheezy install php5-fpm it threatened to remove mysql-server etc.. |
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| 19:08.35 | local7 | i need a way to ONLY install php5-fpm without removing anything else |
| 19:08.37 | babilen | local7: Didn't we cover that this is not a sensible option? |
| 19:08.41 | local7 | yes |
| 19:08.56 | local7 | i don't care if it breaks apt/aptitude, it's already broken |
| 19:09.10 | local7 | it's being moved either way |
| 19:09.22 | local7 | i just need to get it working for 30 minutes |
| 19:09.23 | thewanderer1 | local7, so how about you install mysql-server from wheezy too? |
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| 19:09.48 | local7 | because that's not an option |
| 19:10.00 | local7 | mysql server must stay online |
| 19:10.03 | babilen | local7: You *cannot* install it directly -- If you *really* don't care at all about your system either upgrade to wheezy, install dotdeb packages or pull whatever is needed from wheezy (the latter will almost certainly break your system, the former is at least a little more sensible) |
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| 19:10.27 | babilen | local7: You are working on a live production system here? |
| 19:10.32 | local7 | no, dev |
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| 19:11.01 | babilen | local7: Why must the MySQL server stay online then? And please re-read my suggestions earlier ... |
| 19:11.01 | local7 | but it's being actively used |
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| 19:11.36 | farrang | sexy sexoo |
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| 19:11.56 | babilen | farrang: Take it elsewhere (i.e. not here) |
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| 19:14.51 | kieran__ | I'm using wheezy on vmware with encrypted root and swap partitions. it works fine except that it asks for a passphrase for each volume during the boot process. I've added the key to the swap partition and specified said key in /etc/crypttab but still it asks for the passphrase on boot. |
| 19:15.08 | kieran__ | if i don't enter a passphrase for the swap partition it still gets mounted fine so the key is working |
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| 19:15.11 | sKeiths | hi, does anybody know how i could use zenity code? |
| 19:15.32 | kieran__ | does anyone know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 19:16.19 | kieran__ | i have a very similar setup on a laptop with encrypted root and /home, keyfile for //home specified in crypttab and it works fine, only asks for one passphrase on boot |
| 19:16.55 | segv | sweet |
| 19:16.59 | segv | got kernel 3.2.0 working |
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| 19:18.09 | babilen | segv: Couldn't have been too hard (/msg dpkg bdo kernel) :) |
| 19:18.18 | segv | i know |
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| 19:18.23 | thewanderer1 | local7, if you're doing an upgrade on a live production system, what do you think your problem is? :P |
| 19:18.31 | segv | was stating that as my mac mini won't boot with the 2.3.36-5 |
| 19:18.32 | babilen | kieran__: Sorry, can't really help you. Is the laptop in question also a Debian system? Same version? |
| 19:18.38 | local7 | it's not prod, but it's still important |
| 19:18.45 | kieran__ | babilen, yes it is, both wheezy |
| 19:18.47 | sKeiths | its okay. i made the mistake of trying to run it with sh. once I chomd +x to it it worked perfectly. |
| 19:19.28 | local7 | we're migrating it to archlinux, i just need to get php5-fpm reinstalled and working with the current running php version of 5.3.3.7~squeeze14 |
| 19:19.36 | babilen | kieran__: Sorry, haven't played with that setup and have no intuition. Sensible course of action seems to be to just compare the two systems .. (if they were identical they would behave identical) -- Sorry :-/ |
| 19:20.06 | local7 | i tried apt-get install --reinstall php5-fpm, but didn't work |
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| 19:20.30 | kieran__ | babilen, the difference is that the 2nd partiton on the functional system is a data partition whereas on the non-working one it's a swap partition |
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| 19:21.03 | kieran__ | there are some indications you can use /dev/random for the key as it's a swap partition but that doesn't seem to play either |
| 19:21.25 | babilen | local7: Please re-read my instructions. You *will* not be able to install the package mixture you want to install. They just won't install together. That's the way these packages work and have been designed. If you want -fpm then upgrade to wheezy or, ffs, backport them yourself or install dotdeb packages (but we do *not* support those at all) |
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| 19:21.45 | babilen | kieran__: So the order of the partitions differ? |
| 19:22.07 | babilen | kieran__: Hmm, maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging helps |
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| 19:22.23 | local7 | ok so just a matter of finding php5-fpm_5.3.3.7+squeeze14.deb then ? |
| 19:22.30 | local7 | or a close enough version |
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| 19:22.55 | babilen | kieran__: I typically run LVM on top of LUKS and therefore don't have to deal with this. (at least on laptops) |
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| 19:23.36 | babilen | local7: Where is that package even from? |
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| 19:23.46 | kieran__ | babilen, just cracked it, needed to update-initramfs! |
| 19:23.56 | babilen | kieran__: yay! |
| 19:24.09 | kieran__ | fortunate as i don't have a rubber duck to hand |
| 19:24.10 | babilen | kieran__: Ah, dammit. I could have come up with that ;) |
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| 19:24.19 | kieran__ | well why didn't you?! :p |
| 19:24.24 | babilen | !congratulate kieran__ |
| 19:24.24 | dpkg | Yay kieran__, you did it! |
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| 19:24.31 | kieran__ | now i gotta change the lightdm resoluttion |
| 19:24.36 | kieran__ | heh |
| 19:24.37 | thewanderer1 | quack. |
| 19:24.42 | kieran__ | cheers dpkg |
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| 19:25.41 | babilen | local7: Sorry, but where did you manager to find a php5-fpm_5.3.3.7+squeeze14.deb ? |
| 19:25.49 | babilen | *manage |
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| 19:29.22 | sKeiths | locate is not finding files and directories under /media is this normal? http://paste.debian.net/192940/ |
| 19:30.19 | kieran__ | sKeiths, is /media/windows ntfs? |
| 19:30.22 | babilen | sKeiths: Yes, that is normal (See /etc/updatedb.conf) |
| 19:30.33 | sKeiths | kieran__, yes |
| 19:30.47 | sKeiths | will look babilen |
| 19:30.55 | babilen | sKeiths: And why should it? Data mounted there has typically been removed already when locate is being run! |
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| 19:31.23 | babilen | sKeiths: All it will tell you: There was a usb stick once that had these files, but it is now gone :( |
| 19:31.36 | sKeiths | for me this is a pernament mount. and i'd like it indexed. |
| 19:31.54 | sKeiths | i know this is probably unique, so I came asking. |
| 19:32.15 | babilen | sKeiths: I would mount it somewhere else then -- locate's config doesn't index /media (and for a good reason) |
| 19:33.01 | babilen | sKeiths: Please also pay attention to the PRUNEFS configuration in there. |
| 19:34.17 | babilen | sKeiths: Why don't you mount it to, for example, /mnt/my_precious ? |
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| 19:34.54 | sKeiths | thank you. |
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| 19:36.16 | kieran__ | babilen, you appear to have more than a rough idea what you're on about so I'll ask directly, i created a new user but when they open a terminal they have no PS1 prompt, just $, they can't autocomplete and the arrow keys don't work for moving through history. which files are they missing? |
| 19:36.25 | kieran__ | i've copied in the contents of /etc/skel |
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| 19:37.16 | themill | kieran__: is your shell /bin/bash or /bin/sh? |
| 19:37.23 | kieran__ | very good question |
| 19:37.28 | themill | (you should use adduser not useradd btw) |
| 19:37.30 | local7 | whew |
| 19:37.35 | local7 | damn that was annoying |
| 19:37.44 | kieran__ | i can never remember which to use... |
| 19:38.07 | local7 | ended up dpkg -i --force-depends-version php5-fpm_squeeze+some_ver.deb |
| 19:38.10 | kieran__ | babilen, got it in one, damn you're good ;) |
| 19:38.14 | local7 | and php5-pgsql and it works for now |
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| 19:38.28 | local7 | thanks guys for bearing with me :) |
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| 19:38.58 | local7 | it was determined that the pkg mgmt was broken to begin with, someone decided to stick some crazy repos in there |
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| 19:39.35 | local7 | band aid has been applied, and we are migrating it over to a fresh install of wheezy |
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| 19:42.56 | sKeiths | when i was booting up i seen a mounting failure, but when i dmesg | grep mnt i get nothing. what is the startup logfile i should be looking for if not dmesg |
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| 19:46.01 | kieran__ | sKeiths, I recently tried to find the same thing, it doesn't seem to be logged anywhere |
| 19:46.18 | kieran__ | users to be able to log it into a file in /etc/default/bootlogd but no longer |
| 19:46.24 | kieran__ | *used |
| 19:46.46 | kieran__ | what's your fstab entry? |
| 19:47.08 | sKeiths | /dev/sda1/mnt/windows ntfs-3g user,defaults 0 0 |
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| 19:47.52 | windowsrefund | hello |
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| 19:48.20 | windowsrefund | am I nuts to try and perform an online reduction of a root lvm partition? (squeeze) |
| 19:48.38 | jhutchins_wk | sKeiths: How would locate know which media was mounted when it indexed it? There isn't a universal identification system. |
| 19:49.10 | kieran__ | windowsrefund, got a recent backup? |
| 19:49.25 | windowsrefund | kieran__: of course not :) |
| 19:49.26 | kieran__ | sKeiths, looks ok, do you need user in there? |
| 19:49.31 | kieran__ | windowsrefund, THEN YES |
| 19:49.32 | kieran__ | oops |
| 19:49.38 | kieran__ | wait |
| 19:49.41 | kieran__ | do you value the data? |
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| 19:49.59 | windowsrefund | kieran__: so yea, that's probably too aggressive |
| 19:50.02 | kieran__ | sKeiths, it should be mounted on boot so no need to be able to mount it as user |
| 19:50.07 | windowsrefund | I guess I need a livecd or something |
| 19:50.09 | babilen | sKeiths / kieran__ : Please read "/msg dpkg bootlogd" |
| 19:50.54 | kieran__ | babilen, you win another interweb cookie, cheers |
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| 19:51.14 | kieran__ | windowsrefund, i'd go with a backup |
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| 19:51.28 | kieran__ | resizing partitions without is asking for trouble |
| 19:51.44 | windowsrefund | stopped backing up boxes 5 years ago |
| 19:51.47 | windowsrefund | :) |
| 19:51.51 | windowsrefund | if it goes, it goes |
| 19:52.00 | sKeiths | thanks, babilen . rebooting for logfile |
| 19:52.01 | windowsrefund | but thank you |
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| 19:52.24 | windowsrefund | I will not try the online reduction. Instead, I'll boot with something and do it offline |
| 19:52.48 | kieran__ | pft, man up, isn't that what lvm does? ;) |
| 19:52.59 | windowsrefund | eh? |
| 19:53.17 | windowsrefund | I'm talking about a mounted / |
| 19:53.17 | kieran__ | if it does it then the odds of it going wrong offline must be similar to online |
| 19:53.18 | jordanm | lvm has no problems reducing online... your filesystem probably does though |
| 19:53.30 | kieran__ | hmm |
| 19:53.30 | windowsrefund | ext4 |
| 19:53.55 | windowsrefund | I almost just want to smack the y and see what happens :) |
| 19:53.58 | kieran__ | personally i wouldn't do it without backup but if you're going to anyway, might as well take the exciting option :) |
| 19:54.05 | windowsrefund | good point |
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| 19:54.35 | tintin | http://www.btc.com.tw/english/2-7-36keyboard.htm#6311ARFIII |
| 19:54.36 | kieran__ | then even if it goes wrong you can entertain some random people on the internet |
| 19:54.38 | tintin | will it support linux system? |
| 19:54.41 | tintin | Microsoft Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7 operating system. |
| 19:54.53 | babilen | windowsrefund: Which filesystem is it? Why don't you want to use a live CD? |
| 19:55.20 | windowsrefund | cuz I'm too lazy to burn/create something bootable and go find the box |
| 19:55.52 | sKeiths | Would have to hit the 28 times fsck :-( |
| 19:56.07 | blubberdiblub | windowsrefund, i don't think you can shrink ext4 online. it only supports growing online, afaik |
| 19:56.48 | babilen | tintin: This really isn't ##linuxshoppingadvice -- Most if not all wireless keyboards/mice are supported as Linux/Debian doesn't care how they are connected. The wireless thing is just between the keyboard and a dongle. Certain hotkeys might now be supported, but *please* stop asking in here and google for something like "KEYBOARDMODEL Debian" or s/Debian/Linux for information. |
| 19:57.05 | kieran__ | sKeiths, it's not a static count, it just waits until you don't want it to run then tells you it's been 28 times |
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| 19:57.26 | babilen | windowsrefund: Which filesystem is it? (sorry if you mentioned that already) |
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| 19:57.33 | windowsrefund | babilen: ext4 |
| 19:57.35 | blubberdiblub | windowsrefund, you could shrink it from within the initrd, if you make sure you have the necessary tools in there and stop the boot process with a kernel command line option |
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| 19:58.00 | sKeiths | Seems that way.64% |
| 19:58.03 | kieran__ | now that sounds exciting |
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| 19:59.22 | jeredepp | why does rsync skip my .svn directories and all other hidden stuff by default |
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| 19:59.31 | jeredepp | shouldn't it sync thos by default too? |
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| 20:00.04 | babilen | windowsrefund: You could try it, but I wouldn't personally recommend to do so. Just cat'ing a decent live cd (e.g. Debian live, GRML) to a USB stick and booting from there is definitely much safer and not really much work. |
| 20:00.25 | babilen | windowsrefund: fwiw, it will most likely work, but well ... |
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| 20:01.06 | windowsrefund | babilen: I think it would not be wise :) |
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| 20:01.23 | windowsrefund | I'm seeing lots of clues telling me reducing size online will not work |
| 20:01.41 | windowsrefund | so yes, I'll boot with something |
| 20:01.51 | windowsrefund | and then I'll find the actual box :) |
| 20:01.56 | jeredepp | i get this message even without any excludes "skipping daemon-excluded directory "whatever/.svn" *** Skipping any contents from this failed directory *** " |
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| 20:02.12 | babilen | windowsrefund: I've seen it work, but I *never* done it on partitions that I care about because doing it offline is not really much more work. |
| 20:02.23 | windowsrefund | right |
| 20:02.31 | blubberdiblub | windowsrefund, babilen, resize2fs doesn't support online shrinking. at least that's what the manpage says |
| 20:02.34 | windowsrefund | I'd do it if it were just /home or something |
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| 20:02.41 | babilen | windowsrefund: I recommend either the rescue image of Debian live or the excellent GRML live cd |
| 20:02.44 | sKeiths | access to the bootlog makes it easy. :) i need to create directory to mount it in .. Tue Sep 25 20:59:39 2012: Mounting local filesystems...ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /mnt/windows: No such file or directory |
| 20:03.02 | windowsrefund | I think I've got a arch boot usb stick or something |
| 20:03.06 | windowsrefund | that should do nicely |
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| 20:04.56 | jeredepp | stupid me never mind |
| 20:05.20 | dtcrshr | iv recently updated my box, and now the network icon appears next to the clock. Networkin on this pc is fixed, and for some reason I have to "sudo ifup eth0" everytime I reboot it. On this recently avaiable icon, the cabled network is "not manageable", how do I pass up the networking management to this gnome network manager, instead of upping up the network by hand? |
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| 20:08.46 | sKeiths | thanks for all your help, its been indexed :) |
| 20:10.10 | dondelelcaro | dtcrshr: what do you have in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:10.51 | blubberdiblub | windowsrefund, babilen, here i even tried it for you ;) apparently online shrinking actually doesn't work for ext* filesystems under normal conditions -> http://paste.debian.net/192952/ |
| 20:11.14 | dtcrshr | iface eth0 inet static dondelelcaro |
| 20:11.24 | dondelelcaro | dtcrshr: and what else? |
| 20:11.33 | dondelelcaro | dtcrshr: it'd be easiest to just paste it into a paste site. |
| 20:11.45 | dtcrshr | ill paste it, just a sec |
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| 20:12.14 | windowsrefund | blubberdiblub: haha nice |
| 20:12.27 | windowsrefund | blubberdiblub: thanks though |
| 20:12.29 | windowsrefund | very cool |
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| 20:12.58 | dtcrshr | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/dSJxacRp |
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| 20:13.38 | dtcrshr | dondelelcaro: iv removed the ips, to xxx |
| 20:13.48 | dondelelcaro | dtcrshr: change allow-hotplug eth0; to auto eth0; and it should just work. |
| 20:14.45 | dtcrshr | thanks, ill give a try |
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| 20:20.51 | dtcrshr | dondelelcaro: it worked, now the network get configured automatically, but the network manager icon stills not doing nothing |
| 20:21.29 | dondelelcaro | dtcrshr: it won't if you're configuring the network using /e/n/i |
| 20:21.59 | dondelelcaro | if you want to use nm, then you don't configure the network using /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:22.12 | dtcrshr | i just remove the files? |
| 20:22.16 | zecrazytux | nope |
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| 20:22.37 | zecrazytux | keep lo in it |
| 20:22.42 | dtcrshr | Ill let it this way, since its easyer. I just want to learn how to change between both |
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| 20:29.41 | harovali | hi, I'm in gnome , using evolution, and it asks me for the keyring password to unlock it, and I forgot which password goes there, I have root access to the machine, how can I change the keyring password? |
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| 20:30.02 | ncw2233 | <3 |
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| 20:31.51 | nsadmin | harovali, you may have to just make a new one... just because you are root/have root access doesn't mean you can change any password |
| 20:32.52 | nsadmin | I'm not even sure that making a new keyring would work; you may not be able to delete the existing one without its password. |
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| 20:34.17 | nsadmin | you said: "forgot which password goes there"; does that mean you have a list of passwords you can try? |
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| 20:36.29 | DammitJim | anyone have experience with teraterm? |
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| 21:10.46 | mr_daniel | #flood |
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| 21:37.54 | devicenull | what option can I use a on a pxe command line to automatically set the language? |
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| 21:38.03 | devicenull | I thought it would be locale=en_US, but that doesnt seem to work |
| 21:38.17 | baronobeefdip | Hello i have some questions about openmpi |
| 21:38.43 | baronobeefdip | I ran an ls command in the mpirun command and i see two results. is this normal |
| 21:38.47 | baronobeefdip | heres the command |
| 21:38.52 | baronobeefdip | mpirun -np 2 --hostfile ls |
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| 21:40.21 | baronobeefdip | is anyone here |
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| 21:42.21 | prietus | sh: 1: /sbin/date: not found |
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| 21:43.20 | nsadmin | it's in /bin |
| 21:43.21 | prietus | in /bin ^ |
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| 21:44.17 | baronobeefdip | when i run the ls command in mpirun is it normal to see more than one result. how do i know that the nodes won't execute a process twice when i start using programs that aren't ls |
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| 21:46.17 | jhutchins_wk | prietus: which <command> will tell you where it is if it's in your path. |
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| 21:47.35 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, the answer is which <command> (funny, it's also the question) |
| 21:48.39 | prietus | which works good |
| 21:49.22 | themill | "type" works better |
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| 21:51.29 | prietus | whats the purpose of the sl commad¿ |
| 21:51.45 | prietus | command* |
| 21:52.38 | themill | the package has a description and an the command has a man page |
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| 21:54.02 | prietus | i heve read both |
| 21:54.08 | prietus | have |
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| 22:37.08 | ung | if I do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, does it upgrade 'flashplugin-nonfree' too? if yes, why does the command 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' exist? thanks |
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| 22:38.10 | dondelelcaro | ung: in general, yes. However, you can upgrade the plugin without upgrading the package |
| 22:39.06 | ung | are the security update are only for the package, or plugin have security update too ? |
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| 22:43.41 | ung | anyone is doing a job for 'update-flashplugin-nonfree --install' ? |
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| 22:47.12 | abrotman | is doing a job ? |
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| 22:48.21 | ung | cron |
| 22:48.25 | abrotman | cron eh? |
| 22:48.31 | abrotman | ung: try a complete thought |
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| 23:00.32 | HansReiserAttack | Good evening |
| 23:02.11 | abrotman | looks |
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| 23:07.40 | Tree_Hugger | hello |
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| 23:08.08 | awc737 | in memstat, is 129k kilobit or kilobyte? |
| 23:08.39 | HansReiserAttack | I believe it's Kilobytes. |
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| 23:09.57 | awc737 | then why is it different than free -m |
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| 23:10.30 | abrotman | megabytes ? |
| 23:10.34 | HansReiserAttack | *shrug* |
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| 23:10.54 | awc737 | i think free -m is not updating? i killed lots of processes |
| 23:11.06 | awc737 | can it take a bit to update? |
| 23:11.09 | sney | no |
| 23:11.17 | sney | you are probably confusing free and buffers |
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| 23:11.23 | sney | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
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| 23:11.47 | HansReiserAttack | LOL |
| 23:11.53 | HansReiserAttack | I love that site logo |
| 23:11.59 | awc737 | I have a 512mb VPS. free -m reads: total: 500 , used: 349: free 151 |
| 23:12.19 | awc737 | htop reads Mem: 42/500MB |
| 23:12.46 | awc737 | memstat at the end reads 231616k ( 36080k) |
| 23:13.06 | jelly-home | awc737: are you sure you're reading the right line of the free output |
| 23:13.31 | awc737 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.31 | awc737 | Mem: 500 349 151 0 55 251 |
| 23:13.38 | awc737 | gotta be |
| 23:14.03 | jelly-home | awc737: read the linked web page. |
| 23:14.24 | awc737 | jelly-home: my concern is not that too much ram is being eaten. it is 3 very different outputs |
| 23:14.42 | jelly-home | my concern is you're reading the wrong number |
| 23:14.59 | awc737 | the wrong number in free -m, htop, or memstat? |
| 23:15.16 | awc737 | clearly i'm reading the right number in free-m, i just pasted it |
| 23:15.25 | jelly-home | awc737: read the fine link. |
| 23:15.54 | jelly-home | take notice of the green-highlighted number in the example free -m output on that page |
| 23:16.13 | awc737 | so it's the one next to buffers cache |
| 23:16.22 | jelly-home | \o/ |
| 23:16.25 | awc737 | haha |
| 23:16.27 | awc737 | sorry |
| 23:16.37 | jelly-home | !win awc737 |
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| 23:16.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, awc737! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 23:16.48 | awc737 | w00t! when do i leave |
| 23:16.48 | AmarokNelg | uhh |
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| 23:17.52 | AmarokNelg | you won some ticket? |
| 23:17.58 | AmarokNelg | what did you do to get that |
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| 23:19.52 | awc737 | AmarokNelg: I basically mastered the linux console |
| 23:20.23 | AmarokNelg | awc737: how... |
| 23:20.44 | awc737 | i've been hacking since i was like 16 |
| 23:20.54 | AmarokNelg | you hacked this place? |
| 23:21.00 | AmarokNelg | geez |
| 23:21.08 | awc737 | i stole a free ticket to NC from dpkg |
| 23:21.23 | AmarokNelg | what. dpkg is only a bot |
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| 23:22.18 | awc737 | so is an atm machine? |
| 23:22.20 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:22.27 | HansReiserAttack | this reminds me of that scene near the start of terminator 2 |
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| 23:23.27 | AmarokNelg | --> So you hacked. Is he a human or a bot <-- |
| 23:24.17 | awc737 | it is a botmanboy |
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| 23:24.36 | themill | AmarokNelg: that's more than enough from you today. Thanks. |
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| 23:27.42 | abrotman | that might work .. |
| 23:28.04 | Tree_Hugger | debian-6.0.5-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso Used that to install. it won't detect the cd-rom drive for some reason. I have cd-rom and it's running the cd. what an hypocrite. |
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| 23:28.52 | HansReiserAttack | Uh, Inception. You have to go deeper. Do you have a USB? |
| 23:29.44 | abrotman | HansReiserAttack: do you need help with Debian ? |
| 23:30.27 | chronik-rootz | Tree_Hugger: Did you checksum?> |
| 23:30.28 | chronik-rootz | ? |
| 23:30.59 | HansReiserAttack | I'm fine right now. |
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| 23:31.35 | martxelo | hi |
| 23:31.45 | Tree_Hugger | check sum? |
| 23:32.07 | chronik-rootz | Tree_Hugger: md5sum |
| 23:32.13 | dondelelcaro | Tree_Hugger: there's a difference between the bios booting off the cd and the installer finding the cd, unfortunately. |
| 23:32.25 | chronik-rootz | Tree_Hugger: It is how you verify non-corrupt content. |
| 23:32.28 | dondelelcaro | Tree_Hugger: check dmesg; see if your cd shows up. Is there something unusual about this machine? |
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| 23:34.12 | Tree_Hugger | nothing unusual. I'm borrowing the cd drive from my tower since my mobo doesn't support old fashion cd drive. I have lots of those but only one sata drive so. The mobo, harddrive, and cd drive is brand new. |
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| 23:34.43 | Tree_Hugger | I'll test it later tonight once I take the cd out once again. |
| 23:34.48 | HansReiserAttack | What's the brand? I'm curious. |
| 23:34.55 | Tree_Hugger | for... cd drive? |
| 23:34.56 | Tree_Hugger | asus |
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| 23:35.31 | HansReiserAttack | Hmm, okay. I was curious because that always seemed like a well-supported piece of hardware in my experience. |
| 23:35.50 | Tree_Hugger | yeah I never had problems either for some reason |
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| 23:36.00 | Tree_Hugger | until I used that specific iso |
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| 23:36.15 | HansReiserAttack | Did it work with other Debian isos? |
| 23:36.18 | Tree_Hugger | and I have another question why are there 53 iso? |
| 23:36.20 | Tree_Hugger | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/bt-cd/ |
| 23:36.26 | abrotman | 53? |
| 23:36.27 | AmarokNelg | ? |
| 23:36.31 | Tree_Hugger | look at it |
| 23:36.33 | Tree_Hugger | 53 |
| 23:36.35 | chronik-rootz | lol |
| 23:36.36 | HansReiserAttack | Each successive iso contains more stuff. |
| 23:36.37 | Tree_Hugger | da fuq |
| 23:36.44 | bronaugh | hey; I understand that somewhere there should be OFED packages for Debian that are newer than 1.4.2. any ideas where? |
| 23:36.47 | HansReiserAttack | You only need the first, the rest is just optional packages. |
| 23:36.51 | chronik-rootz | Tree_Hugger: You should have installed slackware back in the day =) |
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| 23:36.58 | chronik-rootz | Tree_Hugger: Lots of floppies hahaha |
| 23:37.06 | Tree_Hugger | tbn, I can't use netinstall |
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| 23:37.17 | Tree_Hugger | I don't have a long cord to connect to the router |
| 23:37.27 | Tree_Hugger | hence that specific iso that I wanted. |
| 23:37.35 | abrotman | Tree_Hugger: what's your wifi card? |
| 23:37.42 | abrotman | didn't you complete your install the other day? |
| 23:37.43 | Tree_Hugger | don't have wifi card lol |
| 23:37.52 | abrotman | so the system has no internet? |
| 23:38.01 | Tree_Hugger | that was from my current tower. |
| 23:38.13 | Tree_Hugger | I'm using a different build and harddrive got corrupted for some reason |
| 23:38.19 | Tree_Hugger | missing boot /dev |
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| 23:38.40 | Tree_Hugger | so I gotta reinstall it |
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| 23:39.30 | AmarokNelg | 6.0.5 cd version, amd64 system? |
| 23:39.48 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.56 | abrotman | themill: didn't you ban him ? |
| 23:40.28 | Tree_Hugger | let me explain. I got two computers. One computer is which I am using right now. another computer which is in different room with no internet since it does not have wifi card and I don't have a long wired cord. I installed harddrive on this computer with netinstall. it was working. transfer the harddrive to another computer, and now its corrupted. missing boot for some reason. |
| 23:40.56 | Tree_Hugger | wel if its fake mount then what do I need to get to real mount? |
| 23:41.42 | nsadmin | it's not on a disk, it's in the kernel or on a ramdisk |
| 23:44.19 | Tree_Hugger | "Unable to find LVM volume debian /root" "unable to find LVM volume debian /swap_1 |
| 23:44.24 | bronaugh | 1.4/part |
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| 23:44.35 | nsadmin | according to mount on my system: udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755) |
| 23:44.40 | HansReiserAttack | Did you set up encryped lvm? |
| 23:44.45 | Tree_Hugger | no |
| 23:44.52 | HansReiserAttack | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 23:44.53 | Tree_Hugger | just LVM |
| 23:45.18 | nsadmin | if /dev isn't mounted, that could explain why you're not finding root or swap |
| 23:46.10 | nsadmin | what's the name of the vg? |
| 23:46.44 | Tree_Hugger | vg? |
| 23:47.18 | Tree_Hugger | missing module - /dev/mapper/debian-root |
| 23:47.39 | HansReiserAttack | volume group |
| 23:47.44 | nsadmin | so, you need a primer on lvm. meanwhile, lvm has three main participants: |
| 23:48.08 | Tree_Hugger | (initramfs) |
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| 23:48.15 | Tree_Hugger | thats the begin of the command line |
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| 23:48.25 | Tree_Hugger | oh |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | maybe he should just not use LVM? |
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| 23:48.42 | Tree_Hugger | I thought LVM is good for..... server side.? |
| 23:48.54 | abrotman | Tree_Hugger: you said it was a desktop ? |
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| 23:49.26 | Tree_Hugger | this computer that I'm using is desktop. The other computer is a server which is I'm trying work on. |
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| 23:49.31 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.21 | damacus | Tree_Hugger: going back to your actual problem.. if they're older machines you may need to try using different disk modes in the BIOS.. Large vs LBA vs. whatever else |
| 23:50.31 | damacus | since you say the exact same disk works in a different computer |
| 23:50.31 | abrotman | damacus: newer system, just built IIRC |
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| 23:50.47 | Tree_Hugger | na its not old machine |
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| 23:50.50 | Tree_Hugger | its brand new lol |
| 23:50.57 | Tree_Hugger | gigabyte with I5 |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | lololololol |
| 23:51.03 | damacus | how about the one you used to install the OS on the drive? |
| 23:51.18 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.20 | Tree_Hugger | well that is old. :p 60gb harddrive from 06 I believe. |
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| 23:51.50 | Tree_Hugger | hmmm |
| 23:52.33 | nsadmin | and, - logical volume (lv) which is mountable storage created from the storage in the volume group, and which you can mount, resize, move, snapshot and back up |
| 23:52.50 | Tree_Hugger | yeah thats from the wiki. I read that before I installed LVM. :p |
| 23:53.08 | Tree_Hugger | I think I forgot which was it. D: |
| 23:53.16 | alusion | Hello I am new to Debian, I was wondering if you could recommend me places to learn how the OS works and things to follow? |
| 23:53.18 | Tree_Hugger | LV I believe |
| 23:53.26 | nsadmin | to be most effective with your lvm setup, you need to understand how those three fit together |
| 23:53.30 | alusion | At the moment I am trying to set up networking, currently hardwired. |
| 23:53.32 | Tree_Hugger | alusion look at the topic |
| 23:53.54 | Tree_Hugger | yeah |
| 23:53.56 | alusion | Oh sorry, thanks |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | alusion: http://debian.org/doc/ is a great start .. or /msg dpkg grounding |
| 23:54.27 | Tree_Hugger | maybe I should not use lvm when I'm clueless abuot it. XD |
| 23:54.36 | Tree_Hugger | I only know little about it |
| 23:54.46 | damacus | i dont thikn LVM is even your problem |
| 23:54.53 | abrotman | Tree_Hugger: the main advantage of LVM is that you can resize partitions |
| 23:55.01 | Tree_Hugger | yup |
| 23:55.08 | Tree_Hugger | which is great for server side |
| 23:55.25 | AmarokNelg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:55.26 | abrotman | is it actually a server? |
| 23:55.28 | nsadmin | that's what abrotman suggested... if this machine is local and something to experiment with, why not learn about it with that machine now |
| 23:55.52 | abrotman | Tree_Hugger: you can also install a normal OS, then experiement with LVM in a VM |
| 23:55.59 | nsadmin | if it's not local, you need to be more careful about pretty much everything |
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| 23:56.47 | Tree_Hugger | thanks for the links AmarokNelg |
| 23:57.00 | abrotman | Tree_Hugger: /msg dpkg lvm |
| 23:57.15 | abrotman | it's not like AmarokNelg came up with those links on his own, he shamelessly stole them from the bot |
| 23:57.26 | Tree_Hugger | oh |
| 23:57.28 | Tree_Hugger | XD |
| 23:57.30 | jelly-home | also: SNAPSHOTS |
| 23:57.37 | nsadmin | is that bad? |
| 23:57.39 | abrotman | yes, that too |
| 23:57.47 | abrotman | nsadmin: instead of using !tell? |
| 23:58.02 | jelly-home | SNAPSHOTS are great for making consistent backups |
| 23:58.02 | AmarokNelg | yeah i got them from dpkg |
| 23:58.37 | Tree_Hugger | its local |
| 23:58.39 | Tree_Hugger | btw |
| 23:58.59 | nsadmin | Tree_Hugger, what do you want to use it for? |
| 23:59.04 | Tree_Hugger | server |
| 23:59.17 | nsadmin | how many users? |
| 23:59.18 | abrotman | it's local, but going to be a server? |
| 23:59.23 | Tree_Hugger | er |
| 23:59.30 | Tree_Hugger | well no |
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| 23:59.44 | abrotman | it's a home server for experiementing and learning? |
| 23:59.48 | Tree_Hugger | its going be private server for friends, allies, family to use. A diaspora server. |
