| 00:00.01 | Tree_Hugger | thats what I'm building |
| 00:00.04 | nsadmin | game? |
| 00:00.10 | Tree_Hugger | social network |
| 00:00.13 | Tree_Hugger | !google diaspora |
| 00:00.25 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:00.29 | abrotman | Tree_Hugger: you can just tell us it's for diaspora |
| 00:00.34 | abrotman | uh .. "diaspora*" |
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| 00:01.02 | AmarokNelg | Google is disabled in the bot's configuration i think |
| 00:01.09 | abrotman | it should be |
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| 00:02.46 | nsadmin | Tree_Hugger, what do you want to do now? and, do you still want to use lvm? |
| 00:03.12 | damacus | if its a fresh install, i think he should try reinstalling using lvm on the new computer |
| 00:03.32 | Tree_Hugger | I think LVM is the best choice as for the server side but I don't really think its that important since I'll have another harddrive for all information that will be stored. |
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| 00:03.56 | damacus | Tree_Hugger: one thing you could do is boot each comp off the netinstall disk in rescue mode with the hdd in |
| 00:03.59 | damacus | and do fdisk -l |
| 00:04.02 | nsadmin | ok... so you're saying you might not use it |
| 00:04.06 | damacus | and compare the drive geometry between machines |
| 00:04.39 | AmarokNelg | doesn't say work with an ! |
| 00:04.43 | damacus | alternatively if you dont want to futz around you could boot the cd in rescue mode on the comp with the drive now and re-run the grub installer |
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| 00:07.20 | Tree_Hugger | well I typed md5sum and it did nothing |
| 00:07.25 | Tree_Hugger | just blank screen |
| 00:07.33 | Tree_Hugger | rebooted it, then typed dmesg |
| 00:07.39 | Tree_Hugger | everything looks good from there |
| 00:07.42 | Tree_Hugger | :S |
| 00:07.57 | damacus | wtf? |
| 00:08.01 | damacus | wanders off |
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| 00:08.22 | Tree_Hugger | well not in that sense |
| 00:08.42 | Tree_Hugger | it gave me scripts that recognize the hardware and it looks all good. |
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| 00:09.29 | Tree_Hugger | I can't do the netinstall on the other machine since I don't have the long cord to hook it up. I |
| 00:09.45 | Tree_Hugger | I'll still give it a try |
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| 00:10.09 | Devastator | ,version openchrome |
| 00:10.10 | judd | No package named 'openchrome' was found in i386. |
| 00:10.33 | nsadmin | actually you can... you would end up with the most minimal installation possible (aka a base-only install) |
| 00:10.43 | nsadmin | then you can install packages from there |
| 00:11.19 | jelly-home | Devastator: apt-cache search openchrome |
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| 00:12.12 | nsadmin | Tree_Hugger, could you pastebin the output of mount |
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| 00:13.09 | rawburt | is the ssl-cert-snakeoil certs in /etc/ssl/ just automatically generated SSL self-signed certs? |
| 00:15.08 | Devastator | jelly-home thanks, it's actually called: xserver-xorg-video-openchrome |
| 00:15.09 | Devastator | hehe |
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| 00:20.30 | Devastator | unfortunately the bug i thought it was fixed seems to be back :/ http://www.openchrome.org/trac/ticket/407 |
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| 00:20.39 | Devastator | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-openchrome |
| 00:20.41 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-openchrome on i386 -- lenny: 1:0.2.902+svn579-4; squeeze: 1:0.2.904+svn842-2; squeeze-backports: 1:0.2.904+svn920-1~bpo60+1; sid: 1:0.2.906-2; wheezy: 1:0.2.906-2 |
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| 00:22.34 | gagagruau | I would like to purge all package that have been removed but not purged on my debian wheezy |
| 00:22.44 | gagagruau | I tried "dpkg --purge -a", with no result |
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| 00:23.27 | gagagruau | when i do a "dpkg -l", I can still see there are package where "Desired = Remove" and "Status = Conf-files" |
| 00:24.53 | gnarface | gagagruau: you can't purge or remove packages that are not installed. partially/unsuccessfully removed packages do not count as installed. usually the easiest way to sidestep this problem is to install the package again, then try purge instead of a normal remove |
| 00:25.16 | somiaj | I think he just wants to purge all the 'rc' packages that show up in dpkg -l |
| 00:25.25 | gagagruau | somiaj, yes exactly |
| 00:25.35 | gnarface | oh |
| 00:25.38 | somiaj | dpkg -l | grep ^rc -- that gives you a list, you can use awk, xargs, etc to automatic that processes but I don't think you can do it from dpkg itself |
| 00:25.38 | dpkg | ii | grep ^rc -- that gives you a list, you can use awk, xargs, etc to automatic that processes but I don't think you can do it from dpkg itself 1.2-11.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 00:25.50 | gagagruau | ok |
| 00:26.00 | gagagruau | well by reaading the man page of dpkg, action "--purge" |
| 00:26.07 | gagagruau | I though that giving the "-a" option |
| 00:26.10 | gagagruau | instead of a package name |
| 00:26.22 | gagagruau | would do the trick, but it doesn't, so I believe I misunderstand something |
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| 00:27.17 | somiaj | yea the -a only applies to cerntain dpkg actions |
| 00:27.24 | gnarface | gagagruau: that does indeed look like it should do the trick logically, i agree, but my copy of the man page actually only specifically mentions -a as an option for remove and configure |
| 00:27.27 | somiaj | purging all packages is a bad idea, (: |
| 00:27.52 | gnarface | gagagruau: excellent wishlist suggestion though! |
| 00:27.55 | gagagruau | k |
| 00:28.04 | gagagruau | I'm on debian wheezy that said |
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| 00:28.42 | gagagruau | yeah, purging all packages is certainly a bad idea ;), but what about purging all removed packages ? I believe this is legit |
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| 00:29.15 | gnarface | sure |
| 00:29.24 | gnarface | if you really need the disk space |
| 00:29.33 | gagagruau | well it's only to do a bit of cleanup |
| 00:29.59 | gnarface | and if you haven't made any hand customizations to those config files you might want to keep for reference... |
| 00:30.00 | gagagruau | in fact, I have a raspbian that I'm trying to strip down a bit, since I don't need an X and the other stuff... |
| 00:30.05 | somiaj | there may be a clearner way, but dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2;}' | xargs sudo dpkg --purge |
| 00:30.17 | gnarface | facepalm |
| 00:30.33 | gnarface | !raspbian |
| 00:30.33 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the Raspberry Pi. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ . The regular Debian squeeze, wheezy etc <armel> ports work fine on the Raspberry Pi but don't use the Pi's hardware floating point support. (Debian's <armhf> port (wheezy onwards) targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it.) |
| 00:30.43 | gagagruau | somiaj, yeah |
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| 00:31.28 | gagagruau | gnarface, thanks for the link :P but i'm staying here! |
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| 00:32.10 | somiaj | then we will continue to harass you. do not ask raspbian support questions here unless you are using a debian port. |
| 00:32.23 | AmarokNelg | dpkg: shut up |
| 00:32.23 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 00:32.25 | AmarokNelg | lolol |
| 00:32.29 | gagagruau | meh |
| 00:32.34 | AmarokNelg | umm |
| 00:32.40 | AmarokNelg | ok? |
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| 00:33.02 | gagagruau | it was a dpkg question anyway |
| 00:33.46 | gagagruau | and thank you for the answer |
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| 00:34.46 | abrotman | AmarokNelg: This is not a playground, please try to be less noise, more signal. Thank you. |
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| 00:46.34 | kjk | hi |
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| 00:48.58 | Tree_Hugger | nsadminTree_Hugger, could you pastebin the output of mount... I just got back from dinner, I'll do the disk check up in a second. |
| 00:49.39 | Tree_Hugger | fdisk is not found |
| 00:49.44 | Tree_Hugger | :| |
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| 00:50.16 | p8m | Tree_Hugger: What about /sbin/fdisk ? |
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| 00:54.42 | alusion | Is it normal for debian machines for the network settings not to be automatically configured? |
| 00:56.16 | abrotman | alusion: only if the network was not available at install time |
| 00:57.18 | alusion | It wasn't and now my ethernet light won't even light up. |
| 00:57.42 | abrotman | alusion: dmesg | grep eth |
| 00:57.57 | Tree_Hugger | does not exist but its odd though, the command line which I type begins with (initramfs) /sbin/fdisk. press enter, next line shows, /bin/sh: /sbin/fdisk not found |
| 00:58.13 | Tree_Hugger | o.O |
| 00:58.25 | alusion | abrotman, no results |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | alusion: lspci | grep -i Net |
| 00:59.10 | alusion | 05:00.0 Ethernet Controller: Atheros Communications Device 1083 (rev c0) |
| 00:59.32 | abrotman | wireless card only ? |
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| 00:59.59 | alusion | Impossibru! |
| 01:00.32 | alusion | My wireless card won't even light up |
| 01:00.47 | alusion | Should I just issue another fresh install? Seems kind of redundant though. |
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| 01:00.50 | abrotman | are we talking about a wired or wireless card ? |
| 01:01.00 | alusion | Wired. |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | alusion: what's uname -r ? |
| 01:02.25 | alusion | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 01:02.51 | alusion | However I must say, [not sure if this matters or not] I am running an intel chip [3570k] |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | doubtful the CPu matters |
| 01:03.34 | Tree_Hugger | cpu has nothing to do with the networking |
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| 01:03.47 | abrotman | alusion: is there only one network device? |
| 01:04.28 | alusion | abrotman: what do you mean? I am hardwired via ethernet but the light won't even turn on >_> |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | alusion: i can't imagine it requires firmware |
| 01:05.19 | Tree_Hugger | fk it, I'm reinstalling it |
| 01:05.21 | Tree_Hugger | :s |
| 01:05.33 | alusion | ^ I |
| 01:05.38 | alusion | ^I'm about to as well >_< |
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| 01:05.53 | abrotman | alusion: don't think a reinstall would help you |
| 01:05.57 | alusion | first time I tried installing it I accidently overwrote my windows partition, 2tb gone |
| 01:06.09 | alusion | Going to try a fresh patch cable |
| 01:06.09 | Tree_Hugger | lol.... |
| 01:06.12 | abrotman | at least not with the same image |
| 01:06.28 | Tree_Hugger | dude, you should never install new os when you have existing os with a lot of data. |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | alusion: dmesg | grep eth .. would show your network device if it were loaded |
| 01:06.37 | Tree_Hugger | I hope you backed it up |
| 01:06.39 | Tree_Hugger | D: |
| 01:07.31 | alusion | Tree_Hugger, sort of... T_T I ended up buying 2 years of crashplan, little too late eh? heh... |
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| 01:08.17 | alusion | Nope, still won't recognize. |
| 01:08.35 | alusion | I will try connecting directly to the modem |
| 01:08.47 | abrotman | not going to help .. |
| 01:08.56 | alusion | T_T |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | !tell alusion about kmuto |
| 01:09.51 | alusion | This might be just what I need, my hardware is pretty new. |
| 01:10.07 | abrotman | give it a try |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | alusion: or you can try the wheezy installer |
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| 01:11.00 | alusion | abrotman, should I opt for the newer kernel version? |
| 01:11.20 | abrotman | alusion: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 01:12.00 | alusion | When is 7.0 stable expected to be released? |
| 01:12.19 | abrotman | when it's ready |
| 01:12.19 | Tree_Hugger | that'll be awhile |
| 01:12.27 | chronik-rootz | its like 3 year cycles |
| 01:12.31 | abrotman | not quite |
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| 01:13.06 | chronik-rootz | try linux mint debian =) |
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| 01:13.15 | abrotman | chronik-rootz: why? how does tha thelp? |
| 01:13.26 | abrotman | clueless people spewing nonsense ... yay |
| 01:13.30 | chronik-rootz | abrotman: sorry |
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| 01:16.14 | damacus | abrotman: curious why you ruled out firmware ealier |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | Atheros traditionally does not need firmware |
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| 01:18.29 | damacus | ah. i'm only familiar with one of their wireless cards which does require firmware |
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| 01:20.33 | damacus | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/howto-install-driver-for-ethernet-controller-atheros-communications-device-1083-a-930325/#post4614220 |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | damacus: right, which is why i suggested he use the wheezy installer |
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| 01:21.50 | damacus | gotcha. |
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| 01:34.55 | martxelo | bye |
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| 01:42.07 | Tree_Hugger | ^ porn |
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| 01:43.42 | abrotman | Tree_Hugger: please ignore spam in the future, there are more than enough staff and ops in this channel. |
| 01:43.58 | Tree_Hugger | ik |
| 01:44.01 | Tree_Hugger | I was just sayying |
| 01:44.10 | abrotman | yeah .. and the bot killed the guy |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | didn't need any comment |
| 01:44.37 | Tree_Hugger | okay. |
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| 01:50.27 | alusion | network autoconfiguration failed during the install, I am going to supply my DHCP host name, what would that be? |
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| 01:51.29 | damacus | that's rarely used |
| 01:51.32 | abrotman | alusion: with which installer? |
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| 01:52.12 | alusion | I am using the squeeze-custom-amd64-0315.iso - kernel version 3.2.4, Debian 6.0.4 with firmwares, WPA suppor |
| 01:52.23 | alusion | by Kenshi Muto |
| 01:52.23 | dvs | kmuto! |
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| 01:53.46 | abrotman | alusion: and it won't load your NIC ? |
| 01:53.49 | abrotman | no lights or anything ? |
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| 01:55.40 | alusion | hmm one moment.. |
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| 02:33.39 | alusion | how much swap area should I have? |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | how much RAM do you have? |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | and what iwll the box do? |
| 02:34.13 | alusion | 16gb |
| 02:34.23 | alusion | main server / machine |
| 02:35.32 | ectospasm | you mean workstation? |
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| 02:35.37 | alusion | yea |
| 02:35.53 | ectospasm | I've heard conflicting reports... swap should be equal to RAM, or 2*RAM |
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| 02:36.06 | abrotman | alusion: how big is the HDD ? |
| 02:36.10 | alusion | 2tb |
| 02:36.17 | abrotman | will go to visit Wyzard soon! |
| 02:36.32 | abrotman | alusion: don't think you'll miss a few GB ? |
| 02:36.32 | nsadmin | and another: swap should be "somewhat" bigger than ram so it can suspend to ram |
| 02:36.45 | alusion | 32gb swap? |
| 02:36.53 | abrotman | sure, go for it |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | you'll never use it unless you suspend to RAM :) |
| 02:37.23 | alusion | Thanks a lot guys! |
| 02:37.25 | alusion | Going to the bar |
| 02:37.27 | alusion | peace |
| 02:37.27 | p8m | suspend to ram shouldn't use swap |
| 02:37.29 | seravitae | has anyone had the dreaded "black screen, blinking cursor" problem with debian when installing nvidia drivers? |
| 02:37.30 | nsadmin | if it's not a laptop, you probably don't want the suspend to ram |
| 02:37.35 | p8m | suspend to disk will |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | p8m: uh, yeahm, that :) |
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| 02:38.29 | nsadmin | alusion, curious, why so much ram? |
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| 02:38.39 | abrotman | why so much? |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | that's not really all that much anymore for a new system |
| 02:39.10 | nsadmin | it's just that it sounds expensive |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | pfft .. maybe $100 |
| 02:39.23 | p8m | 16GB isn't a lot of ram. 32GB costs < $150 |
| 02:39.33 | nsadmin | wow |
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| 02:42.01 | damacus | that makes me feel old. :) |
| 02:42.09 | nevyn | damacus: it's scary |
| 02:42.38 | nevyn | is someone shipping 16Gb dimms? |
| 02:43.16 | damacus | server memory, sure |
| 02:43.40 | damacus | not sure if there are any desktop kits that use 16GB dimms yet |
| 02:43.45 | damacus | i'd lean toward yes |
| 02:44.11 | abrotman | newegg only has up to 8GB that i see |
| 02:44.17 | damacus | intel is already discontinuing at least some if not all sandy bridge chips |
| 02:44.26 | nsadmin | there's server memory? how's that different from client memory? |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | oh, i lie, i see a 32GB module |
| 02:44.38 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's not server/client, it's server/desktop/laptop |
| 02:44.38 | damacus | ECC and/or registered |
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| 02:44.51 | abrotman | but yes, ECC and speed are the big parts of that |
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| 02:45.11 | nsadmin | oh ok, thanks :) |
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| 02:49.22 | bullgard4 | 'man mc': " F19 will format the currently highlighted block (plain text or C or C++ code or another)." My computer does not have a F19 key. How can I emulate a F19 keypress? |
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| 02:49.52 | damacus | press F12 and F7 at the same time |
| 02:49.57 | damacus | ;) |
| 02:50.20 | abrotman | get a real keyboard |
| 02:50.41 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Your message is not helpful. |
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| 02:50.49 | nsadmin | damacus, you also need the + key |
| 02:50.56 | awc737 | is it possible to remotely reinstall debian? |
| 02:51.08 | abrotman | bullgard4: your humor detector is broken |
| 02:51.17 | abrotman | or your lack of knowledge is disturbing |
| 02:51.32 | nsadmin | awc737, depends on the hardware and other things like its location and the policy of that location |
| 02:51.56 | awc737 | theres no real policy, it's a friends location, but its far away |
| 02:51.59 | abrotman | awc737: debootstrap |
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| 02:52.24 | awc737 | its just a mini itx, amd e-350 setup |
| 02:52.44 | nsadmin | awc737, oh ok, he could install and you could talk him thru it |
| 02:53.03 | damacus | awc737: it would seem to be easier to upgrade rather than reinstall |
| 02:53.12 | awc737 | id rather do it on my own, im not paying him anything, it is at a friends datacenter |
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| 02:53.25 | awc737 | its deb6. upgrade to wheezy? |
| 02:53.34 | damacus | nice, good |
| 02:53.35 | damacus | yes |
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| 02:53.51 | phox | hey. I was hoping there was a more concrete (i.e. with example(s)) dpkg-buildpackage guide somewhere.... |
| 02:53.53 | awc737 | that clears the data? |
| 02:54.01 | awc737 | its got openvz with a few vms currently |
| 02:54.05 | nsadmin | oh, so it's yours not his :) |
| 02:54.19 | damacus | nah, doesnt clear the data, just upgrades the software. depends on how the box is set up |
| 02:54.25 | awc737 | right its my server, its tucked in the corner of his data center lol |
| 02:54.36 | nsadmin | are you running any databases? |
| 02:54.44 | damacus | if its not mission critical, you could do a backup and then try an in-place upgrade |
| 02:54.46 | awc737 | maybe a mysql db |
| 02:54.55 | nsadmin | you will want to make a dump first |
| 02:54.55 | awc737 | i dont need to back up anything |
| 02:54.59 | awc737 | im ok with wiping it clean |
| 02:55.27 | nsadmin | so you'd not want to use that db, and, what, you're totally repurposing the machine? |
| 02:55.54 | awc737 | yeah basically. i don't want any of the crap thats on there anymore. no more openvz vmz |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | awc737: you can upgrade it without reinstalling |
| 02:56.07 | awc737 | i actually would like wheezy, if that will take care of my problem too |
| 02:56.14 | nsadmin | ok, good enough |
| 02:56.29 | awc737 | will wheezy get rid of openvz installation? |
| 02:56.34 | awc737 | will upgrading* |
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| 02:56.46 | abrotman | are you going to remove it? |
| 02:56.47 | nsadmin | it will probably upgrade to a new version of that package |
| 02:57.02 | awc737 | hm |
| 02:57.05 | nsadmin | you'd have to remove the package either before or after upgrading |
| 02:57.23 | awc737 | i don't see any point then in updating. i just wanted a clean format. i'll wait till i can drive over there |
| 02:57.53 | nsadmin | ok... good enough... at least you know you have the choice of not waiting |
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| 02:58.12 | nsadmin | and you don't have to drive there either |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | or use debootstrap |
| 02:58.14 | awc737 | if i manually uninstall all the packages etc |
| 02:58.43 | nsadmin | you might get yourself in trouble unless you know exactly what you're doing |
| 02:58.43 | awc737 | I have one partition, taking 100% hdd. so I could split it in half, and use debootstrap? |
| 02:58.57 | nsadmin | sure, you could do that |
| 02:59.08 | damacus | awc737: if you're going to reinstall |
| 02:59.12 | damacus | and the box supports it |
| 02:59.26 | damacus | strongly consider setting it up as a KVM server, so you can change it up as much as you want remotely |
| 02:59.40 | damacus | then just do as little as necessary to the host |
| 02:59.43 | nsadmin | does the box have a serial console? |
| 02:59.47 | damacus | vms make life so much easier |
| 02:59.51 | abrotman | it's a mini-itx box .. |
| 03:01.15 | awc737 | i would have liked KVM. the installation looked complicated, so I went with openvz |
| 03:01.21 | awc737 | i don't like it much, i wish I hadn't |
| 03:01.38 | nsadmin | you may or may not want to use lvm (and establish it on the other half of the drive)... if you don't know what that is, you could ignore that or read up on the possible benefits |
| 03:02.34 | nsadmin | (kvm having to do with virtual machines, while lvm has to do with on-disk organization of partitions/volumes) |
| 03:03.00 | awc737 | ill look into it |
| 03:03.26 | damacus | take an afternoon and play with KVM on a box you have local access to |
| 03:03.35 | damacus | it can look more complicated than it is |
| 03:03.51 | damacus | to use it as a basic hypervisor is really not too involved, imho |
| 03:04.35 | awc737 | yeah i have a little itx 2gb server here i will practice setting up kvm |
| 03:05.02 | nsadmin | it will take up ram... awc737 would have to decide if he thinks it's too much ram |
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| 03:05.56 | awc737 | well on this 2gb it wouldn't be worth it |
| 03:06.15 | awc737 | but my remote server is 8gb, and nothing I do needs that much, which is why i opted for openvz |
| 03:06.19 | awc737 | so i could mess with many servers |
| 03:06.25 | awc737 | but now I don't like it lol |
| 03:06.34 | damacus | actually, i've got 2 machines in production, 2GB apiece, that each have 3 KVM vms |
| 03:06.37 | damacus | work amazingly |
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| 03:07.04 | damacus | +well |
| 03:07.15 | awc737 | 3 512mb cms? |
| 03:07.17 | awc737 | vm* |
| 03:07.19 | damacus | aye |
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| 03:07.26 | awc737 | does not sound bad |
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| 03:08.04 | damacus | dns, dhcp, and a syslog/sftp jail for infrastructure logs / config backups |
| 03:08.24 | damacus | virtio is awesome |
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| 03:11.25 | usaguy | hi |
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| 03:32.47 | gabby | Hello all |
| 03:33.03 | gabby | I have this user app but why printf is not working? |
| 03:33.28 | gabby | when i do printf("hello\n"); this prints hello |
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| 03:34.43 | gabby | but when i do printf("Area: %d\n", area); assuming area = 10 x 10. i dont get any output |
| 03:34.46 | gabby | why is that? |
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| 03:35.44 | gabby | anyone? |
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| 03:37.12 | simonlnu | what language is this ? |
| 03:38.55 | simonlnu | (looks like php, they have their own channel. languages usually do) |
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| 03:40.29 | gabby | it's c language |
| 03:40.41 | gabby | i don't get it why it won't work |
| 03:40.52 | gabby | printf("hello works\n"); |
| 03:40.56 | gabby | works |
| 03:41.01 | cardamon | There's a C channel. |
| 03:41.06 | cardamon | #C |
| 03:41.17 | gabby | yeah but it's in debian |
| 03:41.44 | gabby | im creating an application in debian where i use c language |
| 03:41.55 | cardamon | So? |
| 03:42.01 | cardamon | stdout is stdout. |
| 03:42.09 | cardamon | Unless you didn't import it. |
| 03:42.18 | gabby | i have it |
| 03:42.27 | cardamon | Then it's a not a debian problem. |
| 03:42.34 | gabby | aw i didn't |
| 03:42.36 | gabby | wait |
| 03:42.53 | cardamon | Well, either way, it's a not a Debian issue. |
| 03:43.09 | gabby | is it stdout.h? |
| 03:43.11 | gabby | right? |
| 03:43.34 | cardamon | Debian is not responsible for your code, or your misunderstanding of C. |
| 03:43.38 | gabby | thanks anyway. |
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| 03:44.09 | cardamon | It's stdio. |
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| 04:19.57 | grothendieck | lol |
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| 04:20.40 | grothendieck | "Debian is not responsible for your code, or your misunderstanding of C" |
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| 04:21.06 | grothendieck | that should be the new slogan for debian |
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| 04:22.20 | HansReiserAttack | LOL |
| 04:23.22 | rjsalts | if you can't find any help there then maybe ask on #debian-offtopic |
| 04:23.32 | rjsalts | but definitely not here |
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| 04:25.37 | yac | Is somewhere discussed wheter to rotate daily, weekly or monthly? |
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| 04:26.08 | yac | I'm highly inclined to rotate daily all the things, but i lack experience |
| 04:26.19 | scottj | pulseaudio isn't starting at boot, there's no mention of it in dmesg, is that normal/any ideas what to check for? |
| 04:26.41 | grothendieck | scottj: init scripts? |
| 04:27.01 | scottj | grothendieck: /etc/rc#.d? there's several scripts there, presumably installed by apt |
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| 04:28.12 | scottj | found /etc/default/pulseaudio, PULSE_SYSTEM_START=0, guess that's it (not sure how it changed to that) |
| 04:28.22 | rjsalts | yac: how big do the log files get? |
| 04:28.40 | rjsalts | yac: how long do you want to retain them? |
| 04:29.05 | yac | rjsalts: consider both small and large |
| 04:29.09 | grothendieck | scottj: sounds reasonable, I don't use pulseaudio but /etc/init.d is usually a good place to start hunting for stuff you expect to happen at boot time |
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| 04:29.45 | scottj | grothendieck: do all scripts in /etc/init.d get started or just ones that are in /etc/rc#.d? |
| 04:29.46 | grothendieck | dmesg wouldn't log it though if it has been disabled...probably you should be glad dmesg says nothing ;) |
| 04:29.48 | yac | rjsalts: my idea is that i want to rotate all daily, so i can ship them for automated analysis every day. |
| 04:30.09 | rjsalts | yac: logwatch or something similar? |
| 04:30.28 | rjsalts | yac: that sounds like a reasonable reason to rotate daily |
| 04:30.40 | yac | rjsalts: my log files are quite small. not more than a 1MB per day per file and even that has quite a reserve |
| 04:30.53 | grothendieck | scottj: ughh I was hoping you wouldn't ask that, I always forget |
| 04:31.02 | yac | rjsalts: logwatch? is it something different than what logrotate does |
| 04:31.03 | grothendieck | I know CentOS symlinks /etc/rd.c/init to /etc/init.d |
| 04:31.35 | grothendieck | SysV specification says stuff that happens after boot goes into /etc/init.d |
| 04:31.38 | yac | rjsalts: right, but i lack long-term experience with this so i wonder what other things i should consider |
| 04:32.19 | rjsalts | yac: not really, it's all about trading off space vs. retention for diagnostic or compliance reasons |
| 04:32.31 | grothendieck | "The /etc/init.d directory contains the scripts executed by init at boot time and when the init state (or "runlevel") is changed (see init(8)). |
| 04:32.34 | grothendieck | " |
| 04:32.42 | grothendieck | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html (sectioon 9.3.1) |
| 04:32.43 | yac | rjsalts: only thing that comes to mind is the size of log files, but as the size increases it begs for rotation more often, which is daily (as opposed to standard weekly or so) |
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| 04:33.29 | rjsalts | yac: yep, logwatch is a script that will grep through all the logs for specific patterns and then emails you on any matches |
| 04:33.58 | yac | oh, right. thanks |
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| 04:35.12 | rjsalts | there are a few other things of a similar nature |
| 04:35.17 | ectospasm | scottj: only the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ get run... just being in /etc/init.d/ is not enough to have anything run on boot |
| 04:36.00 | ectospasm | scottj: you can manage the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d by hand, but it's easier and less error prone to use update-rc.d... |
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| 04:37.01 | rjsalts | ectospasm: is that still the case with the make style dependency handling? |
| 04:37.48 | ectospasm | rjsalts: I dunno... you probably have to rename the symlinks if they don't use the make dependency handling |
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| 04:41.52 | rjsalts | ectospasm: ah, it looks like update-rc.d uses insserv to figure out boot order during a postinst or something |
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| 04:52.48 | Mohsen_Hassani | After dist-upgrading from wheezy to sid, I had problems with my sound card and now that I have solved the problem, I can't volume down or up with my keyboard. I'm only able to do that with alsamixer |
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| 04:53.47 | ectospasm | Mohsen_Hassani: that's handled by your DE... XF86Keys and whatnot |
| 04:54.23 | Mohsen_Hassani | ectospasm, so is there any help to make it work, a tutorial, website or something? |
| 04:54.35 | ectospasm | Mohsen_Hassani: what DE do you have? |
| 04:55.18 | ectospasm | Mohsen_Hassani: so google multimedia keys and GNOME, KDE, XFCE, etc. |
| 04:55.43 | Mohsen_Hassani | ectospasm, What do you mean by 'DE'? |
| 04:55.55 | ectospasm | Mohsen_Hassani: Desktop Environment |
| 04:56.19 | Mohsen_Hassani | ectospasm, oh, Gnome, I'm gonna google as you said;) Thanks! |
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| 05:32.07 | jair | hello guys I am trying to solve the dhclient.conf dns overwrite :( |
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| 05:34.01 | jair | this is a very annoying issue |
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| 05:44.30 | ElDiabolo | Hi. How can I find out which keyring was used to sign a package? |
| 05:46.24 | ElDiabolo | Ah, apt-get update fixed it. Thought I had already done that. |
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| 05:52.45 | afidegnum | hello good morning all, I am using an OpenVZ debian VPS and I recently upgraded my server speed from 2Gb memory to 4GB, but it happens, I can upgrade that memory on php.ini, my webserver goes offline with connection reset. can you please give a hand? |
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| 06:11.22 | help_ent | how can i restart a process (using shell script. it is not in /etc but in /home folder) when it goes down? |
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| 06:21.25 | ksuhku | help_ent, how about a cron script that checks whether the process is alive and restarts if not? |
| 06:22.17 | ksuhku | help_ent, or perhaps a script with a never ending loop, depends on details |
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| 06:23.16 | lolgolflol | hi |
| 06:23.20 | ksuhku | the loop will restart instantly but will use more system resources |
| 06:26.42 | peterrooney | help_ent: there is inittab, which has the 'respawn' option |
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| 06:27.22 | lolgolflol | How to check package was installed? |
| 06:27.47 | cthuluh | help_ent: see "runit" |
| 06:27.52 | peterrooney | help_ent: i.e. my favourite, "cia:0123456S:respawn:/usr/bin/nice -n 19 /usr/bin/top </dev/tty8 > /dev/tty8" |
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| 06:32.01 | rudi_s | lolgolflol: dpkg --status package-name | grep Status: |
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| 06:32.12 | rudi_s | install ok installed if the package is installed. |
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| 06:33.26 | lolgolflol | rudi_s thank you |
| 06:33.37 | rudi_s | np |
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| 06:40.02 | oskie | how can a cron file with "30 23 6-12 * fri" run every friday at 23:30? 6-12 is supposed to specify day of month |
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| 06:42.50 | niels1 | oskie, it doesn't run every friday. it runs only on one friday of the month |
| 06:43.25 | rudi_s | oskie: Check the man page: "Note: The day of a command's execution can be specified by two fields — day of month, and day of week. If both fields are restricted (i.e., aren't *), the command will be run when either field matches the current time.". |
| 06:43.34 | niels1 | oskie, oh, i'm wrong |
| 06:43.38 | rudi_s | It also has an example. |
| 06:44.05 | rudi_s | *and an example of a fix in the EXAMPLE CRON FILE section. |
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| 06:46.37 | boudiccas | oskie: put 23,6 in the cron date place |
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| 06:47.14 | boudiccas | sorry 6,12 |
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| 06:53.33 | rudi_s | boudiccas: Won't work, check the man page. |
| 06:54.27 | phenom | How is KDE running these days? |
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| 06:57.55 | boudiccas | rudi_s: you sure about that? its working now for me to run a script to compress to tar.gz my days backup on the 1st and the 15th of each month |
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| 06:58.47 | rudi_s | boudiccas: Yes. But he wants to run on all Fridays between 6th and 12th if I understdood oskie correctly. |
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| 07:00.13 | boudiccas | rudi_s: ah, then we're interpreting it differently. i was interpreting it that he wantn if it was the 6th or the 12th and they were a friday |
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| 07:01.11 | rudi_s | boudiccas: Oh, possible as well. But if "Fri" stays in place, it will still run every Friday. |
| 07:01.16 | rudi_s | oskie: ^ |
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| 07:02.46 | boudiccas | phenom: what a vague question! what version of KDE? what version of debian? |
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| 07:05.51 | phenom | 4.8.4 debian testing. All of my dealings with KDE in the past have been problematic for me. As a gnome2 refugee I'm trying kde 4 and tbh it looks great. |
| 07:06.02 | bullgard4 | 'man mc': " F19 will format the currently highlighted block (plain text or C or C++ code or another)." My computer does not have a F19 key. How can I emulate a F19 keypress? |
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| 07:06.44 | phenom | But I'm curious if anyone would consider it unstable in their experience with it. |
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| 07:06.58 | boudiccas | phenom: ah, i dont know, i'm using XFCE on wheezy with no problems |
| 07:07.30 | phenom | I suppose I'll give it a few days, and give it a shot. |
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| 07:11.48 | oskie | rudi_s: thanks for pointing this out |
| 07:12.07 | rudi_s | np |
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| 07:13.20 | oskie | rudi_s: so I have to think of something else then, like: if [ $(date +%u) = 6 ]; then mycommand; fi |
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| 07:15.15 | rudi_s | oskie: [ $(date +%u) -eq 6 ] && mycommand should be the simplest way. |
| 07:15.29 | rudi_s | (-eq is used to compare numbers.) |
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| 07:15.53 | rudi_s | Oh and inside crontab you have to escape the %, so +\%u IIRC. |
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| 07:16.16 | oskie | oh! thanks. |
| 07:16.24 | rudi_s | np |
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| 07:19.07 | jmtheron | hello i get a black screen when booting off a debian netinst is this a bad download or am i being a nood |
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| 07:20.04 | dawud | jmtheron: not enough info, can you see the installer boot at least? |
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| 07:22.25 | JyZyXEL | how do i debug why a command in my rc.local seems to not have worked? |
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| 07:22.44 | jmtheron | no i did not even see a anything just a black screen. i am trying to install it on a VMware machine |
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| 07:27.18 | jmtheron | vmware is causing the problem.. sorry |
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| 07:46.25 | jmarsden | JyZyXEL: sudo sh -x /etc/rc.local # will trace execution of it for you, just like any other shell script. |
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| 07:49.27 | JyZyXEL | jmarsden: how do i have it execute like that during bootup? |
| 07:49.30 | JyZyXEL | and log to a file |
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| 07:51.09 | robokop | when i plug in my webcam dmesg says: http://paste.debian.net/193109/ any pointers? |
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| 08:05.33 | tralala | robokop, try a different port |
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| 08:06.56 | robokop | tralala: tried them all, gives similar results, only the identifier numbers change |
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| 08:17.35 | ectospasm | bullgard4: if I had to hazard a guess, I'd say it's a meta-programming package. |
| 08:17.48 | ectospasm | er, around-programming == meta-programming |
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| 08:22.15 | milligan | My resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten by network manager, bugging out my network connection! How can I prevent that? I have set up a static address in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 08:23.38 | ectospasm | milligan: don't use Network Manager then |
| 08:23.51 | ectospasm | let dhclient or whatever set resolv.conf, and be done with it |
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| 08:29.52 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.41 | bullgard4 | ectospasm: ctospasm What do you mean by "meta-programming package"? A 'metapackage'? |
| 08:30.59 | ectospasm | bullgard4: I'm not going to answer you, pinging me twice like that. |
| 08:31.12 | ectospasm | less than a minute apart, that's rude |
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| 08:32.22 | bullgard4 | ectospasm: Read more carefully so that you will not draw wrong conclusions. |
| 08:33.19 | ectospasm | bullgard4: there are better ways to correct what you said, and no need to correct at all. |
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| 08:43.45 | julius_ | hi |
| 08:44.44 | julius_ | iptables -A INPUT -i venet0:0 -p tcp -s a.b.c.d.e --destination-port 7500 -j DROP shouldnt this kill connections that try to reach the machine over the internet (venet0:0) on port 7500? |
| 08:45.46 | nsadmin | seems that way... forgot: why the .e? |
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| 08:46.28 | julius_ | oh, typo |
| 08:46.40 | nsadmin | so it's a.b.c.d? |
| 08:47.11 | julius_ | yes, normal ip |
| 08:48.00 | rjsalts | a:b:c:d::e |
| 08:48.14 | nsadmin | so, you must be here asking because the behvior you expect is not happening? and what's happening instead is? |
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| 08:48.54 | tralala | julius_, this will only kill connections originating from a.b.c.d |
| 08:49.05 | julius_ | ah, right. |
| 08:49.48 | julius_ | iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp -d a.b.c.d --destination-port 7500 -j DROP but this one also does not block the connection, brb |
| 08:49.55 | diverdude | Hello, i have this in my httpd.conf: AddType application/x-font-woff woff but i still get this warning in chrome sometimes: Resource interpreted as Font but transferred with MIME type application/octet-stream: "http://mydomain/js/fontawesome/font/fontawesome-webfont.woff". What am I missing? Did i use the wrong config file? |
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| 08:50.47 | tralala | julius_, if you want to block all incoming connections to port 7500 just drop the IP completely. |
| 08:51.59 | tralala | better yet use a frontend to iptables that will make everything more manageable and secure (say shorewall) |
| 08:53.23 | EmleyMoor | Is there a guide on how to set up a protocol 41 tunnel on an A&A Data SIM in Linux? |
| 08:53.40 | linduxed | is there a way to tell apt-get or aptitude "install as non-root into this directory" ? |
| 08:53.54 | EmleyMoor | Erk, wrong channel |
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| 08:54.16 | nsadmin | linduxed, no... but you can pull it apart |
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| 08:54.39 | Solak | Hello. |
| 08:54.52 | nsadmin | !wtds |
| 08:54.52 | dpkg | welcome to debian support! |
| 08:55.34 | linduxed | nsadmin: which means...? |
| 08:55.37 | tralala | linduxed, you can use a download only option (that I don't remember) and then extract the archive with dpkg |
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| 08:55.44 | madtux | morning to everyone |
| 08:55.50 | bittin^work | morning |
| 08:55.54 | madtux | sorry guys a quick one |
| 08:55.58 | linduxed | tralala: ah, ok |
| 08:56.19 | nsadmin | linduxed, a .deb is a .ar containing a text file and (version 2 has) 2 tarballs |
| 08:56.19 | madtux | in one crontask I setup to install a couple of packages |
| 08:56.23 | tralala | linduxed, note the _extract_ not install |
| 08:56.50 | madtux | but this morning I've discovered that that packages haven't been installed so |
| 08:57.05 | julius_ | tralala, yeah shorewall maybe a good idea |
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| 08:57.14 | madtux | my script just is gone to bitches damn it! |
| 08:57.26 | nsadmin | madtux, cron is not what you want because cron repeats periodically |
| 08:57.37 | julius_ | tralala, still i do not see why the iptables rule above would not block a incoming http request on port 7500 to the ip a.b.c.d |
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| 08:57.59 | madtux | nsadmin, I explained my case in the worstest possible way |
| 08:58.24 | tralala | julius_, probably the request isn't coming at a.b.c.d |
| 08:58.33 | madtux | I mean in the script for the backup I am checking if rsync and another couple of packages are installed |
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| 08:58.46 | tralala | julius_, use tcpdump to see the actual request |
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| 08:58.58 | nsadmin | why not just install those packages? |
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| 09:00.38 | madtux | because I am going to deploy another 60 servers so my script should do it |
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| 09:02.01 | nsadmin | (you must know this...) you can just run the install command |
| 09:02.31 | linduxed | tralala: well the reason i'm asking is because i don't have root at this machine, and the maintainer doesn't feel like installing the package i want, so i'm left to installing it and all its deps in /tmp or something |
| 09:02.57 | linduxed | to build it, and then move it to ~ |
| 09:03.25 | linduxed | it would be a lot easier if i could just have the deps and the package installed somewhere locally |
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| 09:03.31 | julius_ | tralala, tcpdump -i venet0:0 port 7500 -v shows the request, iptables -A INPUT -i venet0:0 -p tcp -d 37.59.248.204 --destination-port 7500 -j DROP (now with the new interface, but still doesnt block) |
| 09:03.54 | nsadmin | linduxed, what has you wanting to install these things on that particular machine? |
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| 09:04.38 | tralala | julius_, what's the tcpdump output? |
| 09:04.40 | madtux | look nsadmin I've put the properly path for the aptitude install command so basically should work |
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| 09:05.11 | julius_ | 11:00:07.525837 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 55, id 39169, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 60) |
| 09:05.11 | julius_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.12 | tralala | linduxed, it might be easier to just build it from source |
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| 09:05.41 | tralala | julius_, I'd like no see it with -n |
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| 09:06.45 | julius_ | http://pastebin.com/4mqnJXMc |
| 09:07.19 | gedO | Hello, I want to ask is there posible to connect to Debian from remote desktop connection from Windows? |
| 09:07.28 | linduxed | nsadmin: basically, i want a tiling wm and the computers/main server don't have any |
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| 09:07.57 | alyosha | hi, i just reinstalled sistem and i notice that when i unrar or unzip files, it takes twice or three time longer then it did before. What should i do? |
| 09:08.05 | alyosha | for 300mb it takes like 2minutes |
| 09:08.06 | alyosha | :/ |
| 09:08.08 | linduxed | nsadmin: i mailed the admins and they said "atm we won't install it, but you can compile it in /tmp if you like" |
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| 09:09.00 | linduxed | tralala: yeah i guess, but it has SO many deps |
| 09:09.58 | nsadmin | is there another without so many deps? (given it's an x client, it would need at least the x client libs) |
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| 09:10.29 | tralala | linduxed, I'm not sure it's even possible to just relocate the binaries |
| 09:10.50 | julius_ | tralala, http://pastebin.com/4mqnJXMc |
| 09:10.56 | tralala | julius_, now that's strange |
| 09:11.00 | linduxed | nsadmin: if we're going to be specific, it's awesome i'm talking about |
| 09:11.26 | nsadmin | what's the debian you're installing it on? |
| 09:11.31 | julius_ | tralala, maybe it has something todo with this being a openvz machine? the venet0:0 looks dirty |
| 09:11.33 | tralala | julius_, what about iptables -L INPUT? |
| 09:11.48 | linduxed | nsadmin: lemme see what the servers have... |
| 09:11.50 | tralala | julius_, I doubt it |
| 09:11.58 | linduxed | nsadmin: how did i check that? |
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| 09:12.08 | tralala | !version |
| 09:12.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 09:12.23 | tralala | !debian suite |
| 09:12.24 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 09:12.31 | julius_ | tralala, 0 0 DROP tcp -- venet0:0 * 0.0.0.0/0 37.59.248.204 tcp dpt:7500 from iptables -L INPUT -v -n |
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| 09:12.59 | linduxed | oh shit |
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| 09:13.12 | linduxed | they're running ubuntu on this mainframe :-/ |
| 09:13.22 | linduxed | it's not debian :-( |
| 09:13.25 | boudiccas | using 'claws' for my mail on wheezy, how do i set it up to store them in mbox format please? i've looked through all the menus but cant see anything about how it stores the recieved emails |
| 09:13.29 | nsadmin | mainframe? s390? |
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| 09:13.44 | linduxed | oh well, i don't know what to call it |
| 09:13.50 | ectospasm | prolly not a mainframe |
| 09:13.54 | linduxed | mainframe is probably a bad phrase |
| 09:14.05 | linduxed | the main shell that i log into |
| 09:14.12 | linduxed | it's a central server |
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| 09:14.22 | ectospasm | maybe an LTSP thing |
| 09:14.28 | tralala | julius_, I'm confused. Does it work without the destination IP? |
| 09:14.29 | linduxed | LTSP? |
| 09:14.32 | nsadmin | if it has huge racks and they fill the room and need specific cooling and power... |
| 09:14.36 | ectospasm | Linux Terminal Server Project |
| 09:14.42 | nsadmin | that would probably be a mainframe :) |
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| 09:15.50 | julius_ | tralala, iptables -A INPUT -i venet0:0 -p tcp --destination-port 7500 -j DROP still i get a connection |
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| 09:15.58 | julius_ | tralala, wait |
| 09:15.59 | linduxed | nsadmin: well yeah, it's a university and i know they've got at least one big server hall |
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| 09:16.15 | nsadmin | why do you need it on that? |
| 09:16.31 | linduxed | one just logs into that |
| 09:16.34 | Eagleman | Why is lshw -C network not working on my machine? It says the command cannot be found, i am logged in as root |
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| 09:16.42 | linduxed | but then you actually work at terminal computers with X |
| 09:16.48 | julius_ | tralala, iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 7500 -j DROP this blocks. somehow the interface definition with the 0:0 was wrong....let me check |
| 09:16.55 | linduxed | and on those, there's no tiling wm |
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| 09:17.12 | nsadmin | remember that when debian-alikes reboot, they usually clear /tmp |
| 09:17.13 | linduxed | nsadmin: catch my drift now? |
| 09:17.21 | linduxed | nsadmin: yeah yeah, i know |
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| 09:17.27 | ectospasm | Eagleman: it's a separate command, that doesn't appear to be installed by default |
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| 09:17.39 | linduxed | nsadmin: that's why the idea was to build it there and then move it over to ~ |
| 09:17.47 | ectospasm | Eagleman: aptitude install lshw |
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| 09:18.11 | Eagleman | hmm, i am trying to troubleshoot a network problem, the network interfaces are installed if i do lspci, but they cant be mounted as eth |
| 09:18.22 | Eagleman | so i cant install packages to |
| 09:18.31 | nsadmin | not really... is this to serve the same population the server serves? |
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| 09:19.28 | nsadmin | Eagleman, eths don't mount |
| 09:19.42 | Eagleman | i know, wasnt able to find the correct word |
| 09:19.45 | ectospasm | linduxed: it's probably better to build it in ~/, because if you don't the binaries will be linked to stuff in /tmp, and may not exist after a server restart |
| 09:19.53 | ectospasm | ...unless you statically link it |
| 09:20.00 | nsadmin | Eagleman, look at output of ifconfig -a |
| 09:20.00 | Eagleman | ifconfig -a shows only my loopback |
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| 09:21.02 | julius_ | tralala, theres a venet0 with ip 127.0.0.2 and a veenet0:0 with the official ip. somehow you have to use venet0. thx |
| 09:21.04 | linduxed | ectospasm: i'll keep that in mind |
| 09:21.05 | nsadmin | hmm. that could mean the driver is not present. how many do you expect? |
| 09:21.06 | Eagleman | i staticly assigned the eth interfaces in my network file |
| 09:21.10 | Eagleman | 2 |
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| 09:22.37 | Eagleman | it is attached to an esxi switch and other machines on that same switch work, but debian is having problems |
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| 09:23.50 | nsadmin | I see, so you should have an eth0 and lo? |
| 09:23.55 | Eagleman | yes |
| 09:24.00 | Eagleman | and eth1 |
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| 09:24.23 | Eagleman | i can see the 2 network "cards" attached with lspci but they wont show up in ifconfig -a |
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| 09:24.37 | nsadmin | ok, do you know what might have happened that the drivers would be missing? |
| 09:24.49 | Eagleman | if i did i wasnt here :P |
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| 09:25.14 | anomalies | Eagleman, touche |
| 09:25.19 | ||arifaX | I want to automatically mount a webdav share at boot. fstab already correct, credentials setup. how can I make sure apache is up before the mount starts? how can I set a dependency on thatß |
| 09:25.51 | nsadmin | what I'm trying to find out, is could this have been part of something you did recently? |
| 09:25.59 | ectospasm | ||arifaX: add _netdev to the mount options |
| 09:26.19 | Eagleman | i rebooted |
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| 09:27.12 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: thanks, will try that |
| 09:27.17 | nsadmin | hmm. what's your uname -r? and, how many files do you see when you run ls /boot/*$(uname -r)* |
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| 09:28.39 | Eagleman | I am sorry |
| 09:29.02 | Eagleman | I only have 10% of the knowledge of the infrastructure here |
| 09:29.11 | Eagleman | Since i am an intern |
| 09:29.16 | nsadmin | you'll get there |
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| 09:29.36 | Eagleman | We'r having some problems with disks that are not reachable by smb |
| 09:30.01 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: I have this line http://192.168.178.50/caldav.php/telefon/addresses/ /media/webdav davfs _netdev,auto,user 0 0 it does not mount automatically but with mount -a it does |
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| 09:30.21 | nsadmin | so let me make sure, the problem started? or ended? when you rebooted? |
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| 09:30.51 | Eagleman | No |
| 09:30.55 | XeeNa | I'm trying to do a "dpkg -reconfigure ipvsadm" but gets error message: dpkg: conflicting actions -e (--control) and -r (--remove) |
| 09:31.10 | Eagleman | the problems started when we recieved some calls that some users are not able to reach a share in our network |
| 09:31.20 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 09:31.41 | nsadmin | did you reboot in the last few mins? |
| 09:31.41 | boudiccas | using 'claws' for my mail on wheezy, how do i set it up to store them in mbox format please? i've looked through all the menus but cant see anything about how it stores the recieved emails |
| 09:31.49 | Eagleman | And the share is connected to s NFS system with some foreign filesystem |
| 09:31.55 | Eagleman | Yes |
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| 09:32.07 | nsadmin | ok, try the ifconfig -a again |
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| 09:32.09 | xingu | XeeNa: perhaps try --reconfigure |
| 09:32.15 | Eagleman | its not network related anymore |
| 09:32.23 | Eagleman | The disks are somehow failing |
| 09:32.27 | ectospasm | ||arifaX: wait, you want the share to be mounted before or after apache? |
| 09:32.33 | nsadmin | hmm. you need help then |
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| 09:32.42 | xingu | XeeNa: or actually re-reading, you need dpkg-reconfigure, not dpkg -reconfigure |
| 09:32.54 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: after apache since it provides the webdav via davical and postgresql |
| 09:32.57 | Eagleman | Thats for sure |
| 09:33.00 | nsadmin | and the people you need help from are other folks who run that thing |
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| 09:33.49 | ectospasm | ||arifaX: yeah, _netdev will mount the share as soon as the network comes online, which may be before apache starts |
| 09:34.11 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: I see, so I have to add a command somewhere then? |
| 09:34.12 | ectospasm | ..you might want to have a post-apache launch script that mounts the share manually |
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| 09:34.24 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: good idea |
| 09:35.04 | nsadmin | Eagleman, I can try to help... having said that, this is too big and too important, and I don't feel good having you try guesses... |
| 09:35.05 | ectospasm | ||arifaX: ...set it for noauto in /etc/fstab |
| 09:35.16 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: yep |
| 09:35.22 | Eagleman | nsadmin i appreciatre that |
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| 09:35.46 | nsadmin | if the disks are dying, then the ideal thing to do is replace the drives and restore from backup |
| 09:35.48 | ||arifaX | ectospasm: are there any best options in fstab for dav2fs? syncronous or async and so on? |
| 09:35.54 | Eagleman | Disks are not dieing |
| 09:36.00 | Eagleman | We can reach everything |
| 09:36.11 | XeeNa | xingu: already tried "dpkg-reconfigure" and got a "command not found" and --reconfigure doesn't work either.. |
| 09:36.15 | Eagleman | But i think they'r mounted on the debian machines |
| 09:36.15 | ectospasm | ||arifaX: that I don't know |
| 09:36.17 | nsadmin | this is ideal, that is, if you're sure they're -physically- going |
| 09:36.20 | Eagleman | and that mount is having problems |
| 09:36.36 | Eagleman | We can reach all data trough ftp |
| 09:36.38 | nsadmin | ok, run mount with no args on the debian machine |
| 09:36.55 | xingu | XeeNa: is the debconf package installed? |
| 09:37.02 | Eagleman | Thats for later we'r trying to make the shares on windows so the users can reach the data trough the mount |
| 09:37.03 | xingu | XeeNa: that's what provides dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:37.11 | nsadmin | ftp to which machine tho? would you be ftping thru the mounts? |
| 09:37.19 | Eagleman | The data is on a NAS |
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| 09:37.37 | Eagleman | ME>SMB>FILESYSTEM>NAS |
| 09:37.46 | nsadmin | and the nas has nfs shares that should be mounted somewhere? |
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| 09:37.59 | nsadmin | and which thing is broks? |
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| 09:38.39 | XeeNa | xingu: Yepp - installed and up to date.. |
| 09:38.57 | osfd | Hi there. In the llatest version of acrobat reader for winodws you can now comment the pdf files you read. Do we know about something equivelent for linux that is compatible with acrobat reader, please ? |
| 09:39.16 | nsadmin | I'm guessing you're ftping directly to the NAS? |
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| 09:39.32 | nsadmin | in order to make sure stuff is there? |
| 09:39.43 | ectospasm | osfd: sounds like a proprietary extension to the PDF standard... I don't know of any clients like that... maybe Xournal can do it, but I have my doubts. |
| 09:39.49 | xingu | XeeNa: if /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure exists - you maybe need to run this command as root, instead of your usual user (sudo or su, I am not sure what you usually use to become root) |
| 09:40.26 | Eagleman | Not much i can do now, i will be back later |
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| 09:40.44 | osfd | ectospasm: such a pain... wold be great if something could e done in that field |
| 09:40.59 | osfd | I mean something that may be read by any pdf soft |
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| 09:41.45 | ectospasm | well, that's the open PDF standard... I just don't know of any tools (other than PostScript tools) which can modify that... nothing as slick as Adobe's interfaces, that's for sure. |
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| 09:42.29 | XeeNa | xingu: well debconf is installed but /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure doesn't exist..? |
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| 09:43.01 | nsadmin | Eagleman, one thing I know for sure, is this is an emergency if third parties can't reach the data they need... the degree to which this is an emergency depends on stuff... in any case, you may need to wake people up if they are asleep |
| 09:43.28 | Eagleman | nsadmin there is only one sysadmin, and he is already here |
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| 09:43.42 | nsadmin | oh, very good... |
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| 09:44.02 | XeeNa | xingu: yeah, i'm root |
| 09:44.03 | Eagleman | but if he does not know what is happening and how to fix it |
| 09:44.14 | Eagleman | we'r seting up a work around now |
| 09:44.32 | nsadmin | you may need to bring things down and restart them in the recommended order |
| 09:45.13 | nsadmin | that may be an extreme action... |
| 09:45.31 | xingu | XeeNa: what does dpkg -L debconf | grep /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure say ? |
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| 09:46.11 | xingu | XeeNa: the reason I ask is this is a fairly core package, so having that command go missing is concerning |
| 09:46.58 | XeeNa | xingu: it comes up empty - yeah, I feel the same, never got this problem before.. |
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| 09:49.52 | jeredepp_ | is there a good way to "outsource" all my home directories ,+10 users, to a sambashare without having to setup a share for every user? |
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| 09:52.04 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: the [homes] share doesn't work for you? See the annotated cifs.conf (or whatever the file is called) |
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| 09:53.12 | xingu | XeeNa: it seems you might want to investigate further; re-installing debconf itself may make the problem worse, or it may recover the command that's been removed |
| 09:53.21 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: i'm gonna check it out, but seems to be what i was looking for |
| 09:53.24 | jeredepp_ | thanks |
| 09:53.41 | xingu | XeeNa: debconf also provides /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure and /usr/bin/debconf just as an fyi (see output from dpkg -L debconf) |
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| 09:55.56 | boudiccas | i'm setting up claws to use as my email programme on wheezy, how do i find my thunderbird .mbox files please? i've tried 'locate mbox' but it just scrools out of the terminal window pane so i never find them |
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| 09:56.16 | boudiccas | scrools |
| 09:56.28 | boudiccas | scrolls , better! |
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| 09:57.14 | ectospasm | boudiccas: ever heard of less? or grep? |
| 09:57.29 | ectospasm | boudiccas: sorry... |
| 09:57.37 | ectospasm | boudiccas: locate mbox | less |
| 09:57.51 | boudiccas | ectospasm: yes, i've tried grepping for it and saving it to my h/d as a text file but thats just blank |
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| 09:59.04 | ectospasm | boudiccas: so try | |
| 09:59.17 | ectospasm | boudiccas: so try locate mbox | head |
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| 10:11.26 | Onixs | is wheezy btter that squeeze ? |
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| 10:12.06 | nsadmin | are bananas better than baseball bats? |
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| 10:12.23 | mah454 | Hello |
| 10:12.35 | Onixs | is nsadmin better than me |
| 10:12.41 | nsadmin | is shey stadium better than your house? |
| 10:12.41 | Onixs | dont think so |
| 10:12.46 | mah454 | How can compile 32bit kernel on 64bit OS ? |
| 10:12.55 | Onixs | ask nsadmin |
| 10:13.00 | Onixs | he seems to know it all |
| 10:13.03 | mah454 | nsadmin: How can compile 32bit kernel on 64bit OS ? |
| 10:13.21 | nsadmin | you need the 32b gcc, binutils and supporting libs |
| 10:13.39 | Onixs | you are good |
| 10:13.57 | Onixs | are you ? |
| 10:14.00 | nsadmin | first time I built gcc was in 1985 |
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| 10:14.16 | Onixs | anyway... |
| 10:14.25 | nsadmin | !better |
| 10:14.25 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 10:14.33 | mah454 | nsadmin: can do this with gcc-multilib ? |
| 10:14.41 | Onixs | plannin to swith from ubuntu. |
| 10:14.44 | Onixs | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.45 | nsadmin | not sure what multilib is |
| 10:14.56 | Onixs | hence i asked |
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| 10:15.26 | mah454 | dpkg: gcc-multilib |
| 10:15.26 | dpkg | mah454: are you using Windows? |
| 10:15.34 | mah454 | !! |
| 10:15.34 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 10:16.09 | nsadmin | Onixs, ok, so what do you mean exactly by better? what's better to you? |
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| 10:16.33 | thewanderer1 | mah454: install the gcc multi-lib, then use make-kpkg --arch i386 |
| 10:16.36 | nsadmin | mah454, you can also make a 32b userland chroot |
| 10:16.47 | thewanderer1 | mah454: you might also need to export ARCH=x86 for the kernel build scripts |
| 10:17.06 | mah454 | ok |
| 10:17.11 | thewanderer1 | it's possible, overall. I did this once. how, I have no recollection of ;P |
| 10:17.13 | Onixs | googling debian gives me 2 variety of it |
| 10:17.23 | Onixs | so i dont know which |
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| 10:17.38 | thewanderer1 | Onixs: Wheezy is testing. Squeeze is stable. go figure... |
| 10:17.46 | Onixs | ah ok.. :) |
| 10:17.56 | Onixs | Thanks |
| 10:18.39 | boudiccas | ectospasm: i tried locate mbox | head and the only mbox file that it found was the local mbox file from when i've read roots emails. nothing at all from thunderbird, so i dont know what that was saving its mails to nor if i can import them to claws, ho hum! |
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| 10:19.04 | ectospasm | boudiccas: that might be in .thunderbird |
| 10:19.09 | ectospasm | boudiccas: or in .mozilla |
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| 10:23.09 | boudiccas | ectospasm: yes, i've looked in both places but still no sign of one. although .thunderbird did have a jcf file which seems to be a ........ never mind, i've got it! it doesnt have a .mbox extension which is why it couldnt be found with locate, its just called 'inbox' |
| 10:23.50 | ectospasm | yeah, I use GMail's web client for all my mail |
| 10:24.00 | Onixs | wow, huge download lol |
| 10:24.03 | ectospasm | I was tired of losing my existing mail with every HDD crash |
| 10:24.20 | thewanderer1 | ectospasm: you know, you could just use IMAP instead of the old POP |
| 10:24.21 | nsadmin | Onixs which is? |
| 10:24.53 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: yes, I know. But I'm much more efficient with the GMail interface, so... |
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| 10:25.20 | ectospasm | thewanderer1: actually, I don't know if my primary email provider has IMAP as an option... |
| 10:25.37 | Onixs | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.40 | thewanderer1 | ectospasm: whatever works for you. I like my e-mail as private property :) |
| 10:26.29 | nsadmin | Onixs, the netinstall ones are about a third of a cd |
| 10:26.41 | ectospasm | unless you own/control all the servers in between, it ain't private |
| 10:26.55 | ectospasm | ...and I can encrypt in Gmail (now) |
| 10:26.57 | nsadmin | or if it's gpgd |
| 10:27.18 | ectospasm | ...but I don't have anyone to trade encrypted emails with... )-; |
| 10:27.25 | babilen | Onixs: Oh, and you almost certainly don't want the ia64 architecture or do you own an Itanium box? Most 64bit Intel/AMD processors are supported by the amd64 one (/msg dpkg why amd64) |
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| 10:29.55 | babilen | Onixs: Sorry, I just joined but you seem to be in the process of selecting a suitable installation image. On what kind of hardware are you installing. Are you connected to the internet during the installation? If so: How? ... |
| 10:30.17 | Onixs | yes, im connected |
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| 10:30.32 | Onixs | do i need only the small installation ? |
| 10:31.10 | nsadmin | if the installer detects and activates your connection, you can install anything at that point |
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| 10:31.57 | babilen | Onixs: How are you connected and on what kind of hardware are you installing? What is your processor/ethernet card/wireless adaptor ? |
| 10:31.59 | Onixs | ah ok… getting it now |
| 10:32.00 | nsadmin | it depends on what you have as net hardware... wireless is not a good bet, but most eth cards will work |
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| 10:32.56 | nsadmin | even if you don't have any net connection at the point of the install, you can still get the base installed and can then try to configure the net again after that (and set up your debian package sources) |
| 10:32.59 | Onixs | aua i7 sandy with RTL8111C. |
| 10:33.15 | Onixs | aua=Asus |
| 10:33.19 | nsadmin | once you're there, (again) you can install anything |
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| 10:33.52 | thewanderer1 | is 8111C a wired chip? or a wireless card with no chance of working? |
| 10:34.03 | nsadmin | Onixs, judd the bot knows how to interp pciids (which textually look like [1234:abcd]) |
| 10:34.09 | babilen | Onixs: For that hardware you want to use an installer with an updated kernel. Download it from the address given in "/msg dpkg kmuto" |
| 10:34.29 | babilen | thewanderer1: Why should it have no chance of working? |
| 10:34.30 | Onixs | ok..connected via ethernet |
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| 10:34.47 | nsadmin | Onixs, with that info could you show the pciid you get from lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 10:34.56 | thewanderer1 | babilen: it's Realtek, and it's Wireless... ergo won't work in the installer :P |
| 10:34.57 | babilen | Is Onixs running Linux already? |
| 10:35.03 | babilen | thewanderer1: How so? |
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| 10:35.29 | Onixs | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03) |
| 10:35.38 | nsadmin | wireless has a poor chance of being detected, connecting and dhcping early enough in the installer |
| 10:35.42 | Onixs | not C then, sorry |
| 10:35.43 | thewanderer1 | aha, that one should work |
| 10:35.53 | babilen | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 10:35.54 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 10:36.19 | babilen | Onixs: Just use the kmuto installer and you should be fine. Could you also paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" ? |
| 10:36.26 | nsadmin | oh, it is wired |
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| 10:36.59 | babilen | Onixs: Or, to make this easier. Just paste the output of "lspci -n ; lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL |
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| 10:37.17 | Onixs | lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet |
| 10:37.18 | Onixs | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 03) |
| 10:37.22 | Onixs | oh.. ok.. posting |
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| 10:38.44 | nsadmin | wouldn't r8169 in squeeze work? |
| 10:39.09 | babilen | It would, but a bunch of the sandybridge hardware needs a newer kernel ... |
| 10:39.13 | Onixs | http://paste.debian.net/193157/ |
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| 10:39.42 | nsadmin | oh, so does one of the kmutos have a 3.x? |
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| 10:40.55 | thewanderer1 | i915 is going to be a problem, but installing with 2.6.32 will work |
| 10:41.17 | nsadmin | that's an intel video? |
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| 10:41.46 | martxelo | hi |
| 10:42.06 | babilen | Onixs: Thank you. I would recommend to use the "/msg dpkg kmuto" installer for the initial installation. You will, almost certainly, need to upgrade the X server and install the propriatary nvidia driver afterwards. |
| 10:42.43 | nsadmin | !wtds |
| 10:42.43 | dpkg | hi! welcome to debian support! |
| 10:42.46 | babilen | Onixs: In order to do that configure your /etc/apt/sources.list as detailed in "/msg dpkg bdo", but make sure that the "deb" line ends in "main contrib non-free" so that you can install non-free software. |
| 10:43.00 | Onixs | Ok got the replay from dpkg i will be working on |
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| 10:43.34 | Onixs | Thank You! :) |
| 10:43.48 | nsadmin | welcome, glad it worked out |
| 10:44.12 | Onixs | i will be installing now… Thanks again for the assistance :) |
| 10:44.18 | nsadmin | I still say bananas are better than baseball bats! |
| 10:44.23 | themill | (for sandybridge, you're probably just better off installing wheezy at this stage) |
| 10:44.26 | Onixs | :D |
| 10:44.44 | thewanderer1 | themill: uhh, Squeeze + bdo works just fine, unless you also have a Wacom tablet... |
| 10:44.49 | babilen | themill: I was just wondering the same thing |
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| 10:45.34 | thewanderer1 | there is, however, merit in using newer kernels (from kernel.org) - there's some nasty crashes with 3.2/3.3 |
| 10:45.45 | babilen | Onixs: After you've done that you can install a newer Xorg version with the instructions linked from "/msg dpkg bdo xorg". Complete the installation by installing the nvidia driver with "aptitude -r -t squeeze-backports install linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms" |
| 10:46.15 | themill | thewanderer1: depends on your exact chipset, and I wonder if it's more work to install squeeze+bpo kernel +bpo xorg when wheezy is looking like it's in good shape. (and there are more reported RC bugs in squeeze than wheezy) |
| 10:46.51 | babilen | Onixs: You see that you have to upgrade quite a number of packages (kernel, Xorg, nvidia driver, ..) which might make it easier to install a development version of Debian called wheezy/testing ... |
| 10:46.52 | thewanderer1 | themill: GNOME3. |
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| 10:47.43 | themill | thewanderer1: nmp. Also, that has to be dealt with sooner or later anyway. |
| 10:48.04 | babilen | Onixs: The problem with that is that it has not yet been released and is ridden by a number of bugs. A bunch of people use it daily though and seem to be happy with it. You would probably need to learn a bit more about Debian and it's packaging system in order to be able to deal with some problems. |
| 10:48.38 | thewanderer1 | speaking of Wheezy... anyone else notice a regression where NFS stops mounting at boot, despite being listed in /etc/fstab ? ideas? |
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| 10:49.51 | themill | thewanderer1: you're one of three people to actually use nfs ;) |
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| 10:50.33 | themill | thewanderer1: I did see some reports about network not being ready by the time nfs mounts were being made if you used n-m. |
| 10:50.33 | thewanderer1 | ah well... I suppose everyone's on Coda or AFS these days? :P |
| 10:50.41 | thewanderer1 | and yes, I use n-m |
| 10:50.46 | babilen | Onixs: You can find the installer at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- You need to supply firmware for your network interface card though as detailed in "/msg dpkg installer firmware" |
| 10:51.34 | babilen | Onixs: You can download the firmware package in question from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek (it is already included in the kmuto images, which is why you don't need it there) |
| 10:52.11 | babilen | Onixs: It is your call what to do and *I* would probably just install wheezy. This would, however, get you a Gnome3 desktop. Do you know which desktop environment or window manager you want to use? |
| 10:52.19 | thewanderer1 | themill: hmm, would that mean n-m is calling if-up.d at the wrong time / not at all? |
| 10:52.21 | themill | thewanderer1: "/msg judd bug network-manager nfs" |
| 10:52.44 | themill | thewanderer1: I only noticed the existence of the bug report and haven't looked further. |
| 10:52.51 | thewanderer1 | ah well |
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| 10:53.00 | thewanderer1 | thanks, I'll investigate |
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| 10:53.59 | SiDz | my debian is sender packet to multicast... i dont know why |
| 10:54.02 | dawud | ,v psad |
| 10:54.03 | judd | Package: psad on i386 -- lenny: 2.1.3-1.1; lenny-backports: 2.1.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.1.7-1; sid: 2.2-2; wheezy: 2.2-2 |
| 10:54.05 | SiDz | any idea how can i stop that? |
| 10:54.06 | babilen | Onixs: Still with us? |
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| 10:56.28 | xeon123 | I'm trying to mount automatically a usb stick in debian, but I can't. |
| 10:56.33 | xeon123 | any help? |
| 10:57.23 | ksk | !tell xeon123 about automount |
| 10:57.25 | joltcan | xeon123: I think I followed this guide in the past: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs |
| 10:57.32 | nsadmin | does the stick have a filesystem with a uuid? |
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| 10:57.54 | nsadmin | what kind of filesystem is on the stick |
| 10:57.59 | babilen | autofs! uuuugh :( |
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| 10:58.25 | babilen | xeon123: Are you using a desktop environment such as Gnome, XFCE or LXDE? |
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| 10:58.44 | wiseguysonly | I'm reading this: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/pmac but it keeps appearing in Spanish. How can I force it to English. |
| 10:59.04 | bittin^work | wiseguysonly, it came up in english here |
| 10:59.20 | babilen | wiseguysonly: You should have a link at the bottom to other languages -- Also: adjust your browser's language preferences to your liking. |
| 10:59.21 | xeon123 | babilen: I'm using gnome |
| 10:59.24 | thewanderer1 | wiseguysonly: it does automatic language detection based on what your browser sends. |
| 10:59.26 | themill | wiseguysonly: there's a link in the footer for English (and other languages) |
| 10:59.47 | wiseguysonly | Ok got the footer links - thank you! |
| 10:59.58 | themill | wiseguysonly: if you'd rather English in general, then you can configure your browser to request English documents in preference to Spanish. |
| 11:00.50 | babilen | xeon123: Mounting a usb stick should be as easy as plugging it in. You can then open nautilus (the file manager) and browse it. What happens if you plug it in? Could you try to mount it with nautilus? Please also paste the output of "dmesg|tail -n42" to http://paste.debian.net directly after plugging it in. |
| 11:01.20 | themill | xeon123: is this a user that was created by the installer or one created since? |
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| 11:01.55 | wiseguysonly | themill: cheers - I think I'd rather keep all my settings for spanish and change onsite really. Happy they have the option though |
| 11:02.04 | robokop | when i plug in my webcam dmesg says: http://paste.debian.net/193109/ any pointers? |
| 11:02.37 | themill | robokop: unhappy device or unhappy usb port |
| 11:02.46 | ectospasm | robokop: looks like your webcam or USB controller is shot |
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| 11:03.31 | xeon123 | babilen: I think it's ok now.But I can't read any file. This was the usb stick that I used to install debian. Maybe I need to format it, but I don't see that option in the gnome desktop. |
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| 11:03.54 | xeon123 | babilen: I only got 0 bytes used and free |
| 11:04.01 | robokop | usb controller does interact with other devices (since keyboard and mouse do work) |
| 11:04.43 | xeon123 | the result of the dmesg is here: http://paste.debian.net/193160/ |
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| 11:05.20 | babilen | xeon123: Ah, ok. You probably want to create new partitions with a tool such as cfdisk or gparted and then continue with creating a filesystem of your liking. Do you want to use this only on Linux or is interoperability with MS Windows/OSX machine important? |
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| 11:05.53 | xeon123 | babilen: I just want to format the usb stick |
| 11:06.19 | babilen | xeon123: formatting == creating a new filesystem -- How much space should that device have? |
| 11:06.27 | xeon123 | babilen: 1 GB |
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| 11:07.05 | babilen | xeon123: Ok, that should be fine then. Do you want to use it on MS Windows or OSX machines too? |
| 11:07.22 | xeon123 | babilen: MS windows only |
| 11:07.56 | babilen | xeon123: Not even Linux? You could just "format" it in Windows then. (i.e. create either a vfat or ntfs filesystem on it) |
| 11:08.07 | xeon123 | linux also |
| 11:08.19 | SiDz | im trying to figure out why in iptstate i have 0.0.0.0 (source) sending igmp packet to 224.0.0.1 |
| 11:08.28 | SiDz | any clue how can i stop that? |
| 11:08.51 | xeon123 | babilen: I'm going to windows and format it. |
| 11:09.03 | xeon123 | babilen: thanks |
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| 11:09.22 | babilen | xeon123: Ah, ok. I would recommend to create a vfat filesystem then. Make sure you have the dosfstools package installed and run "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1" as root. |
| 11:09.28 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 11:10.45 | ectospasm | rinse repeat |
| 11:10.54 | xeon123 | babilen: now, I just recall. When I installed debian, the windows entry disappeared from gruv |
| 11:11.09 | xeon123 | babilen: s/gurv/gurb |
| 11:11.12 | xeon123 | grub |
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| 11:11.42 | babilen | xeon123: Ah, ok. I would recommend to create a vfat filesystem then. Make sure you have the dosfstools package installed and run "mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1" as root. |
| 11:11.59 | babilen | (my message after you left) |
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| 11:15.05 | babilen | xeon123: Oh, and in order to get the Windows entry back: Install os-prober and run "update-grub" -- That should find and configure a grub entry for Windows too. |
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| 11:19.38 | ewet | hi, what is the fastest way of "converting" filenames with convmv to _something_ useful -- I _don't_ care about nonsense filenames, I just want cp to work |
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| 11:21.18 | ksk | ewet: how does cp not work? |
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| 11:25.42 | ewet | cp sputs out "Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character" which cannot be resolved through mounting/setting shell locale (probably because it's a filename in a different cp than the original windows system was) |
| 11:25.46 | ewet | u=i |
| 11:26.49 | Eagleman | How do i repair a reiserfs 3.6 partition>? |
| 11:26.53 | Eagleman | my debian wont start up |
| 11:27.21 | Eagleman | i am recieveing an error 16 on startup |
| 11:27.24 | gnarface | ewet: just curious; what is the output of locale charmap? |
| 11:27.37 | gnarface | ewet: to be clear: "locale charmap" |
| 11:28.11 | ewet | gnarface: UTF-8 |
| 11:28.38 | nkuttler | Eagleman: um... fsck it? |
| 11:28.47 | gnarface | Eagleman: you might actually have a dead drive on your hands, leastwise its likely it crashed and then was repairing itself, then something caused it to crash again mid-repair. i recommend a livecd |
| 11:28.57 | ectospasm | Eagleman: there is an fsck tool in reiserfsprogs, I think |
| 11:29.00 | gnarface | Eagleman: and yea, like nkuttler said; just fsck it |
| 11:29.06 | ectospasm | ReiserFS is rather antiquated now |
| 11:29.16 | nkuttler | it's, like, dead |
| 11:29.30 | ectospasm | ...and Hans Reiser is a convicted murderer |
| 11:29.37 | gnarface | nkuttler: latin is also dead |
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| 11:29.48 | Eagleman | What if that fails? |
| 11:29.54 | babilen | backups! |
| 11:30.02 | gnarface | Eagleman: just read the output but i think you use --fix-fixable |
| 11:30.04 | ectospasm | Eagleman: yeah, hope your backups aren't hosed |
| 11:30.28 | Eagleman | the backup system also crashed |
| 11:30.38 | themill | !win Eagleman |
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| 11:30.38 | dpkg | Congratulations, Eagleman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 11:30.39 | nkuttler | sounds like fun. restore from the archive host then |
| 11:30.41 | Eagleman | we had 2 system 1 failed so we powered up the second and that also crashed |
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| 11:31.46 | babilen | ewet: To clarify: You are sitting in front of you box and mounted a MS Windows FILESYSTEM (which?). When you copy FILE (which exactly?) you get ERROR as can be seen on http://paste.debian.net (paste it here) -- It is definitely an encoding problem. Are you connected directly to the system? |
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| 11:32.27 | Eagleman | its on top of vsphere |
| 11:32.34 | gnarface | brb |
| 11:33.07 | nkuttler | Eagleman: so you had.. a virtual "backup" system on the same physical host? |
| 11:33.14 | swaP | Eagleman, both systems are on the same datastore? |
| 11:33.46 | Eagleman | no |
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| 11:34.19 | swaP | hm ok |
| 11:34.20 | Eagleman | both different locations |
| 11:34.23 | swaP | ok |
| 11:34.32 | swaP | can you access the datastores? |
| 11:34.56 | Eagleman | Yes |
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| 11:35.44 | swaP | is there like a savefile, or like, a suspeneded file? |
| 11:36.00 | Eagleman | no idea |
| 11:36.08 | swaP | suspended* |
| 11:36.13 | ewet | babilen: I already converted the filenames - but thank you -- I just hoped for somebody to spit out a fast "will encode to something" answer "-f latin1 -t uft-8" worked just fine --- and yes: I'm absolutelypositive I have the encoding chain under control I just rarely use convmv ;-) |
| 11:36.21 | Eagleman | it just fails to boot the os from that partition |
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| 11:36.44 | swaP | its usually like a lockfile |
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| 11:37.33 | Eagleman | hold on i am getting acces to the backup OS |
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| 11:37.39 | Eagleman | lets try to fix the partition |
| 11:37.44 | swaP | "LinUM-054cfaaf.vmss" |
| 11:37.46 | swaP | .vmss |
| 11:38.02 | swaP | also "LinUM.vmsd" |
| 11:38.04 | swaP | .vmsd |
| 11:38.23 | babilen | ewet: This error can be caused by various things (e.g. wrongly configured putty session, wrong mount options (locale) for ntfs (if ntfs filesystem), ...) ... just needed a few more pointers. Glad you've figured it out and got rid of those pesky latin1 encoded filenames (who needs those anyway?) |
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| 11:40.54 | ewet | babilen: the encoding chain was alright -- these filenames have most certainly been f*** up on the windows box already and were most certainly _not_ latin1 but nobody here speaks %§$%/ here so ... any name cp could handle would be okay ;-) |
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| 11:42.03 | themill | cp1252 is a reasonable bet on the windows box, but double-encoding is too |
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| 11:42.39 | thewanderer1 | actually, it's quite funny - different language releases of Windows use different encodings :P |
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| 11:44.07 | ewet | thewanderer1: chcp says it's 850 so that's what I mounted it to but that doesn't really tell you _anything_ ... sadly |
| 11:44.46 | ewet | themill: actually ... |
| 11:45.06 | jeredepp_ | is there a way to change permissions on a mount? |
| 11:45.16 | Eagleman | swaP which livecd should i use? |
| 11:45.20 | Eagleman | to begin repairing |
| 11:45.39 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: you could remount it with the new permissions (umask) |
| 11:45.43 | jeredepp_ | something like mount -t whatever //server/dir dir user=myself |
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| 11:46.25 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: problem is with the homeshare i made, i don't want to give other users than root mount permissions, but if i mount it as root, the permissions are set to root |
| 11:46.38 | jeredepp_ | on the sambashare the permissions are ok |
| 11:46.50 | jeredepp_ | *sambaserver ! share |
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| 11:47.22 | swaP | Eagleman, for debian? |
| 11:47.33 | Eagleman | Yes |
| 11:47.43 | Eagleman | If i want the reiserfs repaired |
| 11:47.48 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: something like mount -o remount,uid=XXXX /dir |
| 11:48.00 | swaP | I don't know, ask perhaps.. "13:29:58 ‹gnarface› Eagleman: just read the output but i think you use --fix-fixable" |
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| 11:48.26 | Eagleman | by the way, i am able to see all the data when booted in gparted |
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| 11:48.55 | Eagleman | So i am able to get the config files and reinstall debian on ext4 and get it up and running |
| 11:49.13 | ectospasm | Eagleman: do you have any clue as to why it's not booting? |
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| 11:49.23 | Eagleman | no idea |
| 11:49.36 | Eagleman | its giving me error 16 |
| 11:49.39 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: thanks, it worked that way |
| 11:50.07 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: OK, good |
| 11:50.11 | Eagleman | we need those machines becuase 50 people cant work now, since our share is down |
| 11:50.24 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: it appears that the mount man page only lists it as part of a --bind couplet |
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| 11:51.44 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: yeah permissions are fine now ,but still can't access through ssh with a privatekey due to permissions, do you know how to inherit permissions of the share? |
| 11:51.49 | gnarface | Eagleman: it just says "error 16" and that's it? |
| 11:52.29 | Eagleman | rebooting hold on |
| 11:52.35 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: what's the permissions of ~/.ssh? |
| 11:52.45 | gnarface | Eagleman: nevermind that just use the "rescue" kernel ok? |
| 11:52.57 | gnarface | Eagleman: try the rescue kernel for me see what that does |
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| 11:53.24 | gnarface | Eagleman: if you start seeing it spraying a ton of text like "replaying transaction log..." and a bunch of numbers just let it go |
| 11:53.25 | jeredepp_ | on the server 0700 and on the mounted share 0775 |
| 11:53.36 | gnarface | Eagleman: it may take some time |
| 11:53.40 | bullgard4 | 'man mc' requests a 'F19' keypress: "F19 will format the currently highlighted block." How can I emulate a F19 keypress on a laptop computer that has no F19 key on the keyboard? Shift+F9 does not have any effect in an uxterm. |
| 11:53.51 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: on the server 0700 and on the mounted share 0775 |
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| 11:54.20 | winnie666 | hello! Does anyone know of a finished package the allows for hassle free script calling from a web browser? Not going through the hassle of installing apache and cgi etc. |
| 11:54.20 | JeffJohnson | howdy |
| 11:54.24 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: yeah, sshd won't work if the permissions aren't right... you need to make the mounted share 0700 |
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| 11:55.09 | thewanderer1 | winnie666: you mean like anyterm? or more like phpMyAdmin with a backdoor? :P |
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| 11:56.11 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: but then www-data won't have access to the files on the shared home |
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| 11:56.23 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: no, just .ssh |
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| 11:56.53 | ectospasm | jeredepp_: or, run ssh -vvv to see why it's not reading the keys |
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| 11:58.51 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: i'll try it |
| 11:58.52 | winnie666 | thewanderer1, i guess anyterm would work, but i was hoping somebody made some simple html bundled with a server so just pressing a button would trigger a script, something like the torrents web clients |
| 11:59.24 | winnie666 | actually i am aware that torrent program web clients are far from just html :) |
| 11:59.25 | thewanderer1 | winnie666: ajaxterm |
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| 12:00.33 | winnie666 | thewanderer1, well that looks better than anyterm but it is still the same thing |
| 12:01.30 | thewanderer1 | winnie666: no |
| 12:01.50 | boudiccas | right, i've moved from thunderbird for my emails to claws, but does anyone know of a good newsgroup reader for wheezy please? i was using thunderbird for that too but got fed up with it always spewing out script errors and di i want to stop the script or let it continue? phewy, its history now |
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| 12:02.29 | ectospasm | boudiccas: if you like thunderbird, would icedove be appealing to you? |
| 12:02.57 | winnie666 | thewanderer1, I installed it, it works great, but i would prefer a login-free solution that can only executes predefines scripts at a click |
| 12:03.01 | boudiccas | no, i'm moving over to claws which does mail and feed reading, so still need a newsgroup reader |
| 12:03.24 | winnie666 | it's really not an issue i might as well set up an apache, i'll just learn from the experience |
| 12:03.44 | thewanderer1 | winnie666: so change your user's shell to an interface that only allows you to do so? |
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| 12:03.53 | thewanderer1 | winnie666: or, you know, write your own |
| 12:03.58 | ectospasm | winnie666: you might want a more lightweight webserver, like nginx or lighttpd |
| 12:04.01 | thewanderer1 | (Node.js is particularly useful here) |
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| 12:17.29 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: well i can login to the samba with ssh, but not the dir i mounted, it acts like it isn't even there |
| 12:17.58 | ectospasm | yeah, I'm lost when it comes to Samba... I haven't used it in so long |
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| 12:22.22 | jeredepp_ | ectospasm: np thanks anyway |
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| 12:34.05 | JyZyXEL | ideas how to set up something that emails me when a hostname goes down? |
| 12:34.26 | specing | JyZyXEL: have fun with nagios |
| 12:34.42 | JyZyXEL | sounds overkill |
| 12:34.54 | specing | sounds just about right |
| 12:34.55 | babilen | s/nagios/icinga/ |
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| 12:35.55 | ectospasm | JyZyXEL: I have an android app that monitors services... it's called "Server Monitor" |
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| 12:36.13 | ectospasm | it makes a noise if a service is unavailable |
| 12:36.16 | JyZyXEL | how about looping "ping; sleep 30s" and mailing if ping doesn't succeed? |
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| 12:37.18 | ectospasm | JyZyXEL: what a crude method |
| 12:37.28 | JyZyXEL | whats wrong with it though? |
| 12:37.34 | jelly | have fun reinventing the wheel, JyZyXEL |
| 12:38.05 | specing | JyZyXEL: thats what nagios does ;P |
| 12:38.23 | jordanm | its wrong because one failed ping doesn't mean the system is down, and you usually care about more than "does the box ping". eg are the services up? is the disk space full? are the hard drives failing? |
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| 12:38.34 | jordanm | then you need a monitoring system |
| 12:38.47 | JyZyXEL | no i only care if the system hard locks |
| 12:39.02 | jordanm | it doesn't provide any services? |
| 12:39.06 | ectospasm | ping won't tell you that |
| 12:39.08 | JyZyXEL | nope |
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| 12:39.28 | jordanm | right, ping won't tell you that. userspace can be in a complete deadlock, and the kernel will respond to pings |
| 12:39.29 | ectospasm | what's the point if it doesn't provide any services? |
| 12:39.41 | else- | so, is there a possibility to do a netinst via ssh? ideally i'd just plug in a usbstick and connect to the machine |
| 12:39.49 | JyZyXEL | its just doing scientific calculations |
| 12:39.50 | ChrisH | JyZyXEL: ping can still work even if the OS is completely on holiday |
| 12:40.07 | JyZyXEL | well it does have a python powered web server for statistics |
| 12:40.20 | JyZyXEL | guess i could netcat that |
| 12:40.23 | babilen | else-: Not completely, but read the installation guide. It is detailed there. You can probably pre-seed whatever is needed to get the SSH install going, but I've never played with that. |
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| 12:40.54 | else- | babilen: thanks for the hint, i'll have a look |
| 12:41.05 | babilen | else-: In particular http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#network-console |
| 12:41.23 | petemc | also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole |
| 12:41.38 | babilen | was just searching for that link :) |
| 12:41.42 | petemc | :) |
| 12:41.49 | else- | thanks guys |
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| 12:42.35 | babilen | else-: I've only ever used it like "Ah, sod this. I'm going home now as the server room is too cold and continue there"-solution |
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| 12:43.20 | vladimir_ | Hello world! who knows what GUI will have wheeze? |
| 12:43.25 | else- | babilen: =) |
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| 12:43.35 | themill | vladimir_: whichever one you choose to install |
| 12:43.51 | vladimir_ | kde 3.5.10? |
| 12:44.10 | themill | vladimir_: well... you need to choose from the dozen or so available |
| 12:44.15 | pagz | hello, rkhunter found positive to a root kit (Debian Squeeze 6.0.5) how do i check if this is a false positive or not?, should i take this box down? http://pastebin.com/BXKPfXTQ |
| 12:44.22 | vladimir_ | hope gnome3 not be the default |
| 12:44.46 | themill | vladimir_: there isn't really a default and whatever "default" you want to find is irrelevant anyway |
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| 12:45.28 | thewanderer1 | page: yeah, because "hdparm" in /etc/init.d/hdparm is soooo suspicious... |
| 12:45.33 | themill | pagz: have a look at what's in /etc/init.d/hdparm -- I bet it's a fairly standard init script |
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| 12:46.04 | babilen | vladimir_: You can install whatever you want (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, LXDE, nothing, ...) -- IIRC wheezy will release with KDE 4.8 |
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| 12:46.46 | nsadmin | that network-console link has info that is out of date (applies to lenny, and to sid somewhere when lenny was either stable or testing |
| 12:46.49 | vladimir_ | lately i cannot decide which gui to use |
| 12:47.14 | nsadmin | don't use a gui until you do decide |
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| 12:47.35 | vladimir_ | terminal rules |
| 12:47.53 | nsadmin | or play gui spin the bottle |
| 12:47.56 | pagz | well i dont know waht hdparm is, what its ment to do etc etc |
| 12:48.28 | babilen | vladimir_: You don't have to install the desktop task during the installation at all. (/me recommends standard (and laptop if applicable) though) In fact I wouldn't recommend to install a desktop like that at all. |
| 12:48.34 | nsadmin | pagz, check its man page |
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| 12:49.00 | vladimir_ | agree |
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| 12:52.08 | Iridos | actually I noted that selection on double-click is a lot more sane in gnome-terminal compared to xterm... are there any other terminal programs I should possible have a look at? |
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| 12:56.37 | Bombo | anyone knows what happened to 'mimencode'? iirc there was a package in woody or lenny, but i can't find it in squeeze |
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| 12:57.26 | abrotman | Bombo: tried apt-file ? |
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| 12:58.24 | themill | it was in the metamail package in lenny |
| 12:58.30 | Bombo | $ apt-file search mimencode |
| 12:58.31 | Bombo | exmh: /usr/lib/exmh/mimencode.tcl |
| 12:58.36 | Bombo | just one tcl |
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| 12:58.49 | JeffJohnson | I have 2 init scripts, init script B has: should-start: A, the rc2.d/ script are orderer correctly there is rc2.d/S3A and rc3.d/S4B. But during boot init-script the init script B is started first... anybody have an idea what the reason could be? Do i need to have a working "status" parameter for init-scripts? |
| 12:59.21 | Billy_ | Hello! I have a question. I'm looking to download Debian (Wheezy), but there are 3 different .iso files: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 12:59.32 | Billy_ | What do each contain? |
| 12:59.42 | mobilegamer999 | extra packages, jsut use the first |
| 12:59.47 | themill | ,bug rm metamail |
| 12:59.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/274451 in ftp.debian.org (done): «RM: metamail -- RoQA; orphaned, missing upstream, buggy»; severity: normal; opened: 2004-10-01; last modified: 2010-01-18. |
| 12:59.53 | Bombo | $ apt-cache search metamail |
| 12:59.53 | Bombo | crm114 - versatile classifier for e-mail and other data |
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| 12:59.55 | Bombo | hmm |
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| 13:00.46 | Bombo | if there was 'mimencode' in the crm114 package, apt-file would show that, right? |
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| 13:02.12 | themill | Bombo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=274451#104 might be useful |
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| 13:03.18 | themill | Bombo: (it uses recode from the package "recode") |
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| 13:09.20 | Bombo | themill: yep thx, that worked |
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| 13:10.27 | mobilegamer999 | i have a debian install wich was a bare-bones install (only SSH) and X was added after the fact, what is the best way to make X start up automatically when the system boots |
| 13:10.41 | thewanderer1 | mobilegamer999: install a display manager |
| 13:11.02 | bullgard4 | 'man mc' requests a 'F19' keypress: "F19 will format the currently highlighted block." How can I emulate a F19 keypress on a laptop computer that has no F19 key on the keyboard? Shift+F9 does not have any effect in an uxterm. |
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| 13:11.31 | mobilegamer999 | what if i dont want a display manager to keep it as lightweight as possible? |
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| 13:11.58 | thewanderer1 | !nodm |
| 13:11.58 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
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| 13:16.31 | mobilegamer999 | i installed nodm, but it didnt seem to add anyhting to init |
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| 13:18.27 | garo | How can i make sure that i get mailoutput for some lines in a crontab file and not for others (when the lines are all in the same crontab file) ? |
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| 13:20.29 | bullgard4 | /usr/share/mc/mc.lib includes a line: "f19=\\e[33~". How can I make good use of it if my computer does not have a F19 key? |
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| 13:23.46 | DeltaHeavy_ | Hey, I'm at a place where I need to log into the internet trying to install Debian from a minimal install (as I want it running MATE and I don't want to gunk up my menus). Are there any CLI browsers/tools that could help me log in? Popups are required but can this be emulated? |
| 13:24.32 | thewanderer1 | DeltaHeavy_: define "log in"... captive portal over HTTP? |
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| 13:25.35 | DeltaHeavy_ | thewanderer1: There are 2 fields (username and password) over an HTTPS connection with an untrusted SSL cert. When you enter in your username and password, and click login it redirects you, opens a popup, then redirects you again to where you wanted to go. |
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| 13:26.39 | thewanderer1 | DeltaHeavy_: boot liveCD, authenticate, then reboot into the installer... if your MAC doesn't change, there's a good chance you will remain authenticated |
| 13:27.11 | DeltaHeavy_ | thewanderer1: It won't. The popup has to be open. This system is god awful for more reasons than what I'm telling you lol |
| 13:28.15 | thewanderer1 | DeltaHeavy_: is this MAC-based, or port-based? I'm thinking maybe you could attach a switch... |
| 13:28.44 | DeltaHeavy_ | thewanderer1: It's at my school. I'm not allowed to mess with the network. And it's not MAC based. It's session based. |
| 13:29.04 | DeltaHeavy_ | Is there an .iso out there that's Debian with MATE pre-installed on it? Even if it's unofficial I'll take it. |
| 13:29.08 | thewanderer1 | DeltaHeavy_: what does *that* mean? |
| 13:29.15 | thewanderer1 | what is a session? |
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| 13:29.49 | DeltaHeavy_ | thewanderer1: The popup the login creates manages a session through the web server |
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| 13:31.08 | thewanderer1 | DeltaHeavy_: yes, but the IP stack does not know anything about it |
| 13:31.19 | thewanderer1 | so it must be IP-based, MAC-based, or port-based |
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| 13:32.04 | DeltaHeavy_ | if by "Port based" you mean there's an application running on the other side of it it's port 80 aka a web server. |
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| 13:32.19 | DeltaHeavy_ | Trust me, I've been here for a few years now. It's not MAC, o rIP based. |
| 13:32.38 | DeltaHeavy_ | It's "web" based if that makes more sense to you. |
| 13:32.44 | themill | DeltaHeavy_: I've had good success with such login-to-enable-access schemes using curl to post the data and watch to just run curl (from a script) every few minutes to keep the session "alive" |
| 13:32.55 | antgel | hi people. i have two boxes on my lan, "cubase" and "stealth". they used to respond to mdns queries e.g. ping stealth.local, but now it's broken, it only works by ip address. there have been many upgrades since i checked this last. neither box runs a firewall. iptables -L reports nothing, avahi-daemon is running, and /etc/nsswitch.conf has the relevant mdns configuration. any clues on how to debug this? |
| 13:33.43 | mobilegamer999 | antgel: try throwing wireshark on one of the machiens and see if it actually sees the query for DNS name |
| 13:33.51 | DeltaHeavy_ | themill: Will this get around the "pop-up" problem? If I'm in firefox on a windows box trying to log in, and pop-ups are disabled, I can't log in. |
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| 13:34.24 | themill | DeltaHeavy_: depends on how it's all been done |
| 13:34.37 | DeltaHeavy_ | I think I'm just going to install another DE |
| 13:34.38 | thewanderer1 | DeltaHeavy_: look, there's a browser running on your computer. but other programs have no means of using the credentials of the browser |
| 13:34.39 | antgel | mobilegamer999: okay, it might take a while, i haven't used wireshark for ages |
| 13:34.45 | antgel | but i'll give it a go |
| 13:34.51 | thewanderer1 | i.e. it's based on IP, MAC, or switch port |
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| 13:35.46 | mobilegamer999 | antgel: it will be pretty easy, it will auto-parse DNS quearies for you, but with that you should be able to see at which point there is no response to a step and determine if its the machine ignoring the query, or a different machine ignoring the response |
| 13:36.02 | DeltaHeavy_ | thewanderer1: If a popup running a small JS app to manage the session the browser can in fact do this. |
| 13:37.01 | themill | thewanderer1: sure, but that ip or mac or switch port permissions are only valid after you've logged in through whatever webform and for as long as you keep some poxy little pop-up window open. |
| 13:37.43 | thewanderer1 | themill: this is precisely why I'm suggesting a switch if it's port-based |
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| 13:38.05 | thewanderer1 | DeltaHeavy_: you can also install Debian manually, using debootstrap, if you know what you're doing |
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| 13:38.13 | thewanderer1 | then you'd have a full GUI on the LiveCD |
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| 13:39.19 | DeltaHeavy_ | I'm at the FTP page now and I'd just rather do an automated install as I need to just get this working now. There are like 40 CDs. If I get CD1 and install that will that give me a minimal GUI install with a browser? |
| 13:40.24 | antgel | mobilegamer999: so if i'm pinging stealth.local from cubase.local, i should run wireshark on stealth.local? |
| 13:40.41 | mobilegamer999 | yes |
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| 13:40.58 | antgel | mobilegamer999: thanks, will report back :) |
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| 13:46.39 | bullgard4 | 'man gogglesmm': "Ctrl-O: Import files from given directory." Where are the files after this operation is finished? |
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| 13:48.32 | themill | bullgard4: you'll be lucky to find a single user of this program in the channel. You could ask the upstream authors, look in the source code or as a last result strace the program. |
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| 13:50.29 | bullgard4 | themill: Thank you for advising. |
| 13:54.20 | antgel | mobilegamer999: right, i did that. ran wireshark on cubase.local, pinged it from stealth.local. no sign of my mdns query arriving at all. where to go next? i was wondering if my LAN router is somehow throwing all MDNS away |
| 13:54.28 | boudiccas | anyone got a recommendation for a newsgroup reader with a gui please? i'm using claws for my mails and feed reader, but still need a newsgroup reader |
| 13:54.40 | Eagleman | How do i assign a debian machine to ldap= |
| 13:54.54 | Eagleman | I want an debian machine in the ldap domain |
| 13:55.08 | themill | boudiccas: I use knode, but then again I use kontact for mail and rss too so it's all part of the one app |
| 13:55.36 | antgel | Eagleman: you need to ask a proper question, with details etc |
| 13:55.59 | mobilegamer999 | antgel: hmmm, try running wireshark on the other machine, and see if you can see an mdns query being sent out when you ping |
| 13:56.24 | mobilegamer999 | antgel: if you can, then that probably means the router is (for some reason) discarding them |
| 13:57.00 | Eagleman | I am running a replica ldap server on my localhost, and i want my users to authenticate with ldap before they can enter a samba share |
| 13:57.07 | antgel | mobilegamer999: yep, it's sending them out |
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| 13:57.22 | Eagleman | But my samba share is rejecting everyone because they dont have rights |
| 13:57.36 | mobilegamer999 | antgel: okay, are they both linux boxes? |
| 13:57.36 | Eagleman | So somehow samba and ldap are not communicating correctly |
| 13:57.45 | antgel | mobilegamer999: yes, they are. both debian wheezy |
| 13:58.01 | antgel | i can't believe my router (netgear dgn2200) is so brain dead *blink* |
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| 14:01.29 | mobilegamer999 | antgel: its weird because those packets shouldnt be discarded for any reason because its UDP |
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| 14:01.53 | drigolli2r | hi all |
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| 14:01.55 | antgel | mobilegamer999: i'm so confused |
| 14:02.00 | antgel | mobilegamer999: it's all on the LAN side too |
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| 14:03.01 | mobilegamer999 | antgel: yea, thats why it doesnt make sense |
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| 14:06.07 | antgel | mobilegamer999: woah. i don't know what i got wrong, but now i'm running wireshark on both machines. if i ping stealth.local from cubase.local, i can see that stealth.local *does* get the query, and sends a response! but the response doesn't appear in cubase.local's wireshark |
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| 14:06.47 | dokma | I'm just doing a: ssh -pxxxxx user@host.hr 'mysqldump -u root -p315h4dd41 c49pretafinir' | mysql -u user -p dbname |
| 14:07.02 | dokma | I'm wondering if ssh compresses this by default or not? |
| 14:07.13 | dokma | Because the transfer just takes a bit too long in my opinion |
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| 14:10.22 | themill | dokma: see -C in "man ssh". There aren't many times when it's actually useful but you might be in one such situation. |
| 14:10.35 | antgel | mobilegamer999: it was a lot easier to use wireshark once i worked out how to set the filter for only multicast packets ;) |
| 14:10.50 | dokma | yeah, I figured that as well since these db are mostly text |
| 14:10.57 | dokma | so it might actually work a bit faster |
| 14:11.09 | themill | dokma: also, mysql import isn't that fast so that's quite possibly an issue here. And that command will screw over your encodings if you've got anything other than latin1 in there |
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| 14:11.46 | dokma | it's fine in this case because I'm just syncing from an original to a cloned machine |
| 14:11.52 | dokma | so the db structure is exactly the same |
| 14:12.02 | dokma | with encodings and everything |
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| 14:12.19 | mobilegamer999 | antgel: yea, wireshark is pretty nice, especially with filters, i would suggest checking router settings for something about multicast packets, but i dont think the router would randomly change its settings |
| 14:13.02 | dokma | yeah, with compression my CPU is at 50% disk near limit and network a bit under limit |
| 14:13.09 | dokma | I'd say with -C it's optimal |
| 14:13.21 | themill | dokma: no, mysqldump will dump in the encoding of your db; mysql import like that will assume latin1 and eat your data. The tool is braindeadly asymmetric. |
| 14:13.26 | dokma | yup, it finished about 5x sooner |
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| 14:13.49 | dokma | themill: are you sure? I'm using UTF8 everywhere and had no encoding issues |
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| 14:14.26 | themill | dokma: if you've manually configured mysql to assume utf-8 on client connections then you would be ok, but that's not the default. |
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| 14:15.04 | themill | dokma: and db / table / column encoding aren't the issue here, it's connection encoding -- i.e. what the "mysql" process uses to talk to mysqld |
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| 14:15.10 | dokma | everything is on latin1 |
| 14:15.17 | themill | !pal dokma |
| 14:15.18 | dpkg | points at dokma and laughs |
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| 14:15.35 | dokma | :D |
| 14:15.52 | dokma | except character_set_system |
| 14:15.59 | dokma | which is on utf8 |
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| 14:35.01 | shak3zula | doh, sorry about that |
| 14:35.09 | shak3zula | just like to see the chat ;) |
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| 14:35.43 | toxboi | hey shak3zula |
| 14:36.04 | shak3zula | good morning |
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| 14:48.52 | chemistrydioxide | HI, can someone help me? When I start Iceweasel, the whole window is just blank. By blank, I mean, there's no toolbar, no addressbar. Everything is just grey. |
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| 14:50.33 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: which version of debian, and which version of iceweasel? |
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| 14:51.37 | chemistrydioxide | For the iceweasel version, wait a sec |
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| 14:52.37 | boudiccas | ,v iceweasel |
| 14:52.38 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.5.16-14; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-18; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.7esr-2~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.7esr-2; wheezy: 10.0.7esr-2; experimental: |
| 14:52.39 | judd | 15.0.1-1 |
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| 14:53.40 | chemistrydioxide | iceweasel version is 10.0.7esr-2 |
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| 14:54.12 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: so you're on wheezy then? have you checked the BTS? |
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| 14:55.11 | chemistrydioxide | To be honest, I didn't |
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| 14:56.24 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: mine works okay, maybe yours didnt download properly? you could try reinstalling it |
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| 14:56.59 | chemistrydioxide | nothing helpful there |
| 14:57.05 | chemistrydioxide | Point is, it used to work |
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| 14:57.20 | chemistrydioxide | Then I closed and restarted it and it stopped working |
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| 14:57.25 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: okay so whats changed hten? |
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| 14:57.57 | chemistrydioxide | Well, I did nothing, that's what's so strange about it |
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| 14:58.06 | boudiccas | did it /fully/ close and did you give it time to clear from memory? |
| 14:58.16 | chemistrydioxide | I logged out |
| 14:58.45 | boudiccas | well it would've cleared from that then |
| 14:58.52 | chemistrydioxide | I had to log out because of a memory leak in KDE |
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| 14:59.55 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: does it have a conf file? if so, delete that and let it reconfigure itself and see if that sorts it out |
| 15:00.26 | chemistrydioxide | system-wide or user-specific |
| 15:00.29 | chemistrydioxide | ? |
| 15:01.09 | boudiccas | /var/lib/dpkg/info/iceweasel.conffiles |
| 15:01.25 | boudiccas | i'd rename that and then try again and see what happens |
| 15:01.44 | boudiccas | although i doubt it will help |
| 15:01.49 | chemistrydioxide | I just moved away the profile directory, didn't help |
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| 15:02.13 | boudiccas | i dont know what else to suggest, except renaming the conffile back again to its original name of course |
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| 15:03.06 | themill | chemistrydioxide: any other upgrades since you last successfully started iceweasel? |
| 15:03.18 | chemistrydioxide | I don't think so |
| 15:03.35 | chemistrydioxide | but I got an automatic update script, so I don't know for sure |
| 15:03.56 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: if its of any help its something at your end as mine is working okay |
| 15:04.24 | boudiccas | ah ha, maybe thats the culprit then? could that cause the problem do you think? |
| 15:04.26 | themill | chemistrydioxide: apt keeps logs -- that might help. |
| 15:04.29 | tharkun | cat /var/log/aptitude or whatever you use on your script |
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| 15:08.41 | chemistrydioxide | My last iceweasel update was 10 days ago, so that's not the reason |
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| 15:11.54 | themill | chemistrydioxide: it could be any of the libraries used by iceweasel |
| 15:12.31 | chemistrydioxide | themill: Upgrade: libpurple0:i386 (2.10.6-1, 2.10.6-1+b1), libpackagekit-glib2-14:i386 (0.7.5-2, 0.7.6-1), packagekit-tools:i386 (0.7.5-2, 0.7.6-1), xserver-common:i386 (1.12.3-1, 1.12.3.902-1), finch:i386 (2.10.6-1, 2.10.6-1+b1), xserver-xorg-core:i386 (1.12.3-1, 1.12.3.902-1), pidgin-dbg:i386 (2.10.6-1, 2.10.6-1+b1), packagekit-backend-aptcc:i386 (0.7.5-2, 0.7.6-1), python-packagekit:i386 (0.7.5-2, 0.7.6-1), packagekit: |
| 15:12.32 | chemistrydioxide | (1.12.3-1, 1.12.3.902-1), pidgin:i386 (2.10.6-1, 2.10.6-1+b1) |
| 15:12.37 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: specifically kde libraries as mine with gnome/ixfce is working okay |
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| 15:13.01 | chemistrydioxide | that's what I (or rather my script) updated today |
| 15:13.34 | chemistrydioxide | I don't see how any of these packages could break iceweasel |
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| 15:13.55 | average_drifter | can I put two e-mails in a AUTHORS file ? |
| 15:13.56 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: what is this script? can you paste it somehere for us please? i'm intrigued by it |
| 15:14.07 | average_drifter | I mean for an entry |
| 15:14.10 | average_drifter | can I put two emails ? |
| 15:14.13 | average_drifter | separated by , |
| 15:14.14 | average_drifter | ? |
| 15:14.24 | chemistrydioxide | boudiccas: It's something homemade |
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| 15:15.25 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: still like to see it please |
| 15:15.37 | chemistrydioxide | wait a sec |
| 15:15.43 | chemistrydioxide | need to look for it |
| 15:15.45 | chemistrydioxide | haven |
| 15:15.55 | chemistrydioxide | haven't looked at it for 2 years |
| 15:17.07 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: i'll recripocate, this is my backup script http://www.sharons.org.uk/taste//archives/2012/09/index.html#e2012-09-19T06_01_31.txt |
| 15:17.07 | chemistrydioxide | boudiccas: http://pastebin.com/5tR7tR1a |
| 15:17.18 | boudiccas | thanks |
| 15:18.25 | chemistrydioxide | boudiccas: Link is broken |
| 15:19.32 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: which link? |
| 15:19.38 | chemistrydioxide | yours |
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| 15:20.10 | chemistrydioxide | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:20.25 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: try www.sharons.org.uk/taste and its the most recent posting |
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| 15:21.33 | boudiccas | hmm, thats the linjk from claws in the feed reader tehre |
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| 15:22.10 | chemistrydioxide | nice script, thx |
| 15:22.26 | antgel | right, i gathered some data about my avahi / zeroconf problems. completely confused by the results |
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| 15:22.45 | chemistrydioxide | Meanwhile, my iceweasel is still broken |
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| 15:23.56 | antgel | i'll post a link to the results... |
| 15:23.56 | antgel | ah 1 sec |
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| 15:26.12 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: i'd be inclined to apt-get remove iceweasel, purge, and then reinstall it |
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| 15:26.57 | chemistrydioxide | I think I'll do that |
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| 15:27.38 | boudiccas | if you still have problems with it, then its something causing it at your end, and i'd be inclined to nuke its cache and directory and then restart it again |
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| 15:29.23 | antgel | great time for my wifi to kick me out. GRR |
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| 15:35.06 | chemistrydioxide | ok, purged the package, now reinstalling... |
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| 15:37.26 | bullgard4 | '~$ locale -a; C; C.UTF-8; de_DE.utf8; POSIX.' Why does '~$ ncdu /usr/share/man/' list 34 directories? I do not need Japaneses |
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| 15:37.50 | themill | bullgard4: have you looked at the files that are there? |
| 15:38.07 | themill | and have you looked at what packages they belong to? |
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| 15:41.27 | bullgard4 | themill: I have looked at the first file: /usr/share/man/ca/man1/xfce4-terminal.1.gz. It is a French manpage. I do not need it. |
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| 15:41.55 | themill | that does not answer my question |
| 15:42.09 | jm|laptop | hello. Is this the right place to talk about kFreeBSD? |
| 15:42.17 | dawud | bullgard4: localepurge |
| 15:43.01 | themill | (if you use localepurge, make sure you read the package description very carefully) |
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| 15:44.44 | bullgard4 | themill: This file is from the package »«xfce4-terminal«. Does this answer your question? |
| 15:45.26 | themill | bullgard4: I already know the answer... I'm hoping you'll think about the consequences of this discovery in terms of the terminal output you showed earlier. |
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| 15:46.30 | jelly | jm|laptop: #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net might be a better place |
| 15:46.40 | jm|laptop | thanks jelly |
| 15:47.56 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: problem solved? |
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| 15:48.50 | alusion | Good morning, I am installing software on a fresh Debian installation, I was wondering if I should install the DNS server on the main build [or VM]. Also is having all these servers on 1 machine a safe / smart idea? |
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| 15:49.43 | peterrooney | maybe localepurge should be retitled "localepurge-makes-your-system-totally-nonstandard-but-its-cool" |
| 15:49.57 | peterrooney | ...just so nobody can say they weren't told |
| 15:50.01 | bullgard4 | themill: I am a Debian beginner. I probably do not know all consequences. I probably do not need the package »xfce4-terminal«: I am using the terminal program uxterm. I am considering using the program urxvt in the future too. And may be gnome-terminal. But xfce4-terminal probably not. |
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| 15:50.55 | boudiccas | bullgard4: if you're a beginner, as you say, i'd be inclined to just leave things as they are |
| 15:51.14 | themill | does not include people who have been in #debian for 4 or 5 years as "beginners" any more |
| 15:51.27 | themill | bullgard4: so you can uninstall that package if you don't want it. But you will find other man pages there that are part of packages that you do use. |
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| 15:51.34 | sney | alusion: whatever makes sense for your use case. though if the "main build" is a xen dom0, then it's recommended to run anything that isn't xen on a domU |
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| 15:53.09 | ksuhku | has somebody actually run into problems with localepurge? I certainly haven't |
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| 15:54.10 | themill | ksuhku: there will always be people who go "waaa program crashed because it couldn't find documentation waaa" |
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| 15:54.47 | themill | ksuhku: and it makes using tools like debsums much more difficult / noisy |
| 15:54.48 | bullgard4 | themill: What do you mean by "there"? |
| 15:54.56 | ksuhku | I guess you're right |
| 15:55.05 | mamed | hello i have a questin here how can i install debian in a usb . i want to use my usb as a harddisk |
| 15:55.07 | themill | bullgard4: reread your question... |
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| 15:56.27 | ksuhku | "If you don't know what you are doing and can't handle any resulting breakage on your own then please simply don't use it." a disclaimer from the localepurge man page could be an unofficial debian motto |
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| 15:57.28 | ksuhku | not trying to imply there are a lot of problems or anything but just no warranty |
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| 15:57.57 | boudiccas | IOW, if it breaks, you sort it out |
| 15:58.18 | ksuhku | might learn a thing or two in the process besides |
| 15:58.37 | bullgard4 | themill: I think that I understand you now. I will leave things as they are at the moment. May be I will find an answer later to the question why Debian installs French documentation although I do not understand French well. -- Thank you for discussing. |
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| 15:59.36 | bullgard4 | boudiccas: I will leave things as they are at the moment. |
| 15:59.45 | themill | bullgard4: most packages try to install documentation for all the languages they have. Some large sets of packages (like gnome or kde) might group that documentation into separate packages per language. There is no approach that keeps everyone happy and is actually scalable out to the thousands of languages that are spoken around the world. |
| 15:59.54 | boudiccas | bullgard4: sensible idea |
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| 16:02.05 | themill | (also, ca is not French, it's Catalan) |
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| 16:02.18 | kittonian | hi all |
| 16:02.24 | bullgard4 | themill: I did not think before of the aspect you just mentioned. Yes. This makes it clearer to me. -- Thank you very much for your help. I appreciate it. |
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| 16:03.43 | kittonian | i'm having a rather serious problem on a server we've had running for quite a while now. yesterday it started freaking out and spiking the CPU wildly, along with it complaining about not being able to find libpq.so.5 when starting one of the applications we have been running for over a year without issue. |
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| 16:04.02 | kittonian | i was up until 3am and now i'm back and working on it and can't see anything wrong |
| 16:04.21 | kittonian | i've looked through all the logs and don't see anything relevant |
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| 16:05.03 | bullgard4 | themill: ca designates the Catalan locale and not the Canadian locale. Thank you for pointing me at my mistake. |
| 16:05.13 | boudiccas | kittonian: is this a debian problem? doesn't sound so |
| 16:05.18 | kittonian | i rebooted it and nothing changed, however on reboot it showed "could not connect to database" a bunch of times throughout the boot process. we are using nss-switch and a pgsql db for authentication |
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| 16:05.26 | kittonian | this is a debian etch box |
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| 16:06.19 | kittonian | i'm just looking for some assistance in trying to figure out what is going on so I can resolve it. i really don't know where else to look or what to do |
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| 16:07.05 | e_ | hey guys |
| 16:07.20 | ksuhku | !etch |
| 16:07.21 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 16:07.46 | e_ | i'm very confused.. trying to create a postgres cluster on debian, but i get this: DETAIL: Failed system call was semget(1, 17, 03600). however, kernel.sem is already bumped and so are the other kernel.shm* settings |
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| 16:08.12 | e_ | i am very confused by this |
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| 16:10.12 | kittonian | besides telling me to upgrade software, can anyone give me a hand figuring out what's going on? |
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| 16:11.38 | Armageddon | is there a way to define compile time packages that would be "autoremove"d after the installation ? |
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| 16:12.39 | themill | kittonian: I assume someone didn't accidentally upgrade libpq5 or related packages. (was libpq5 even in etch?) |
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| 16:13.17 | ksuhku | kittonian, is the file there? |
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| 16:13.53 | galexydeb | urgent question : during apt-get dist-upgrade from squeez to wheezy in my remote server via ssh, I lost a lot of my files and I am sure if I disconnect the ssh, I even will not be able to reconnect |
| 16:13.59 | ksuhku | ,v libpq5 |
| 16:14.00 | judd | Package: libpq5 on i386 -- lenny-security: 8.3.16-0lenny1; lenny: 8.3.17-0lenny1; lenny-backports: 8.4.10-0squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.11-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.12-0squeeze1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 8.4.13-0squeeze1; squeeze-security: 8.4.13-0squeeze1; lenny-backports-sloppy: 9.1.2-4~bpo50+1; squeeze-backports: 9.1.4-2~bpo60+1; squeeze- |
| 16:14.01 | judd | backports: 9.1.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 9.1.5-2; sid: 9.1.6-1; experimental: 9.2.1-1 |
| 16:14.13 | kittonian | no one updated anything. i'm the only one with access to this box and i didn't make any config changes |
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| 16:14.16 | oo_miguel | Where do I see the amount of data written and read from my hd? |
| 16:14.19 | galexydeb | even apt-get is removed, how can I install at least apt-get ? |
| 16:14.21 | jelly | galexydeb: do you have output corresponding to "losing a lot of your files"? |
| 16:14.32 | ageis | how to get apt to forget what it was trying to install? |
| 16:14.47 | galexydeb | jelly: the important thing is that apt-get is removed |
| 16:14.57 | ksuhku | galexydeb, is dpkg there? |
| 16:15.06 | galexydeb | ksuhku: yes |
| 16:15.20 | jelly | galexydeb: use dpkg to install /var/cache/apt/archives/apt_*deb |
| 16:15.22 | ksuhku | galexydeb, got packages in cache, e.g. apt-get |
| 16:15.36 | jelly | !bat |
| 16:15.37 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:15.37 | galexydeb | how ? please type the command |
| 16:15.47 | themill | galexydeb: I assume you didn't run this inside "script" so we can't see the entire output? apt won't uninstall itself unless you ask it to really really hard |
| 16:15.57 | galexydeb | themill : yes |
| 16:16.14 | galexydeb | unfortunately I answerd really hard ): |
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| 16:16.51 | themill | A warning like «You are about to do something potentially harmful. To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'» didn't put you off? |
| 16:16.57 | ksuhku | :) |
| 16:17.01 | jelly | I suppose asking "why" is irrelevant at this point |
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| 16:17.21 | galexydeb | jelly: I downloaded apt.......squeeze...deb then tried to run dpkg -i to install it but it says "warning : sh not found" and does not run |
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| 16:17.50 | galexydeb | themill : I answered "Yes, do as I say" to that question, because I didnt guess that would happen |
| 16:17.51 | jelly | galexydeb: it's easier to reinstall or reimage this system that fix it over irc |
| 16:17.54 | kittonian | libpq.so.5 exists where it should. the software seems to be looking in the wrong place for some reason |
| 16:18.02 | jelly | than* fix it |
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| 16:18.36 | ksuhku | kittonian, are the permissions sane? |
| 16:18.36 | galexydeb | jelly: rellay there is not easy solution to just reinstall all important file via internet ? |
| 16:18.48 | tremon | kittonian: man ldd |
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| 16:19.25 | jelly | galexydeb: since you seem to have removed /bin/sh and apt, no, no there is no EASY solution to fix that |
| 16:19.36 | galexydeb | oh my god |
| 16:20.01 | galexydeb | can I download /bin/sh from another linux machine to mine? because wget works |
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| 16:20.37 | jelly | galexydeb: if ar and tar work, you can unpack .deb package contents manually |
| 16:20.43 | tremon | galexydeb: do you still have /bin/bash, /bin/dash or even /bin/busybox? |
| 16:20.49 | ksuhku | there could be a lot of stuff missing though |
| 16:20.52 | jelly | galexydeb: eh, even dpkg-deb --extract might work |
| 16:21.10 | galexydeb | tremon : no one of them |
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| 16:21.23 | galexydeb | jelly : I am goint to test that |
| 16:21.24 | themill | wow... nice work |
| 16:21.34 | jelly | galexydeb: how much money are you losing by having to reinstall this system? |
| 16:21.35 | tremon | concurs |
| 16:22.10 | galexydeb | jelly : I am in a situation that this can not be evaluated by amount of money |
| 16:22.36 | ksuhku | are we talking about the mars rover? |
| 16:22.43 | jelly | something similar :-) |
| 16:22.52 | ageis | how to get apt to quit a failed install ? |
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| 16:23.04 | jelly | galexydeb: ok then, how much are you willing to shell out to fix it, then? |
| 16:23.21 | jelly | $500? |
| 16:23.26 | tremon | prepares to underbid jelly |
| 16:23.31 | ksuhku | :D |
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| 16:25.15 | somiaj | ageis: what exctally failed. if the actuall installed had issues, this is usually a dpkg issue and you have to see what package failed to install. |
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| 16:25.58 | ageis | somiaj: i can't clear the cache so it just forgets about this operation altogether? |
| 16:26.15 | somiaj | ageis: what do you mean clear the cache? |
| 16:26.19 | ageis | it's rubygems. I don't want it to install, its a very custom setup |
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| 16:26.24 | tremon | ageis: you mean remove the package? |
| 16:26.29 | ageis | no I do not |
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| 16:26.40 | metaphysician | galexydeb: can you get a bash/dash .deb, and install it? |
| 16:26.41 | somiaj | ageis: so are you installing unoffical packages? are you mixing repos? |
| 16:26.49 | ageis | nah |
| 16:26.56 | ageis | look |
| 16:27.11 | ageis | I apt-get upgraded rubygems, it was a very minor revision |
| 16:27.15 | ageis | it broke my company's redmine setup |
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| 16:27.39 | ageis | which is meant to work with 1.6.2 |
| 16:27.40 | jelly | metaphysician: galexydeb can't install it, but might be able to unpack the contents in place to get a shell, make a /bin/sh symlink manually, _then_ try to use dpkg to install it |
| 16:27.40 | ageis | i downloaded that package |
| 16:27.40 | ageis | and tried to dpkg -i it |
| 16:27.42 | ageis | but the situation fixed itself anyway |
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| 16:27.44 | galexydeb | metaphysician: I can download it, but not install. but I was able to unpack it, copy dash to /bin/dash, and make a link to it via /bin/sh |
| 16:28.06 | ageis | anyway dpkg failed |
| 16:28.07 | themill | lucky ln still works, I guess |
| 16:28.08 | galexydeb | jelly: I dit that, and now dpkg -i says another error |
| 16:28.09 | somiaj | ageis: is this squeeze? That shouldn't happen. Are you using a custom rubygems package that you don't want apt to upgrade? |
| 16:28.22 | galexydeb | jelly : may be I downloaded the wrong version |
| 16:28.26 | ageis | somiaj: I just want it to forget about ever trying to install this, so it doesn't show up when I do 'upgrade/install' |
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| 16:28.34 | jelly | galexydeb: you might want to use a pastebin site to show us the actual, complete errors |
| 16:28.40 | somiaj | ageis: /msg dpkg hold (use that if you want to hold a package and prevent apt from wanting to upgrade it) |
| 16:28.45 | ageis | thank you |
| 16:28.48 | ageis | thats perfect |
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| 16:31.24 | galexydeb | jelly : http://pastebin.com/32XFrd4w |
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| 16:33.20 | jelly | Preparing to replace apt 0.7.20.2+lenny2 |
| 16:33.27 | themill | lovely |
| 16:33.31 | themill | galexydeb: does running /bin/sh work now? |
| 16:33.37 | jelly | <galexydeb> urgent question : during apt-get dist-upgrade from squeez to wheezy |
| 16:33.56 | jelly | galexydeb: are you sure you're talking about the same host in both places? |
| 16:33.58 | galexydeb | jelly: sorry that was a mistake |
| 16:34.07 | galexydeb | jelly : yes I am sure |
| 16:34.15 | galexydeb | tehmill : how to test ? |
| 16:34.35 | jelly | galexydeb: so, it's a lenny->squeeze transition instead, or what? |
| 16:34.53 | galexydeb | jelly : a dist-upgrade from lenny to wheezy |
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| 16:35.18 | jelly | galexydeb: are you sure about that? Skipping releases is not supported |
| 16:36.18 | galexydeb | themill : actually it does not work, even it exists, but when I run it, I see no such file or directory !! |
| 16:36.24 | galexydeb | jelly : may be that is my real mistake |
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| 16:37.06 | themill | galexydeb: what does "ldd /bin/sh" say? |
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| 16:37.36 | galexydeb | themill: /usr/bin/ldd: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 16:37.42 | jelly | if /bin/bash is absent, execve() will say "oops, interpreter not found" |
| 16:37.51 | jelly | yay! ldd is a shell script! |
| 16:38.00 | themill | oh ffs. of course. |
| 16:38.14 | themill | shall we start with busybox-static? |
| 16:38.33 | jelly | dpkg-deb --extract bash_from_lenny.deb / |
| 16:38.42 | metaphysician | isn't he still in a shell? |
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| 16:38.50 | galexydeb | I am in the shell |
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| 16:40.25 | galexydeb | jelly : how to find bash_from_lenny.deb ? |
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| 16:40.59 | jelly | galexydeb: http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 16:42.30 | jelly | galexydeb: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bash/bash_3.2-4_amd64.deb |
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| 16:45.08 | galexydeb | jelly : it worked and bash installed |
| 16:45.41 | jelly | galexydeb: ldd ought to work now |
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| 16:47.52 | galexydeb | jelly : retried to install apt from lenny : see the errors please http://pastebin.com/r2hiqqJp |
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| 16:48.29 | Port22 | nice |
| 16:48.29 | jelly | galexydeb: that's not apt from lenny. |
| 16:48.33 | jelly | ,v apt |
| 16:48.34 | judd | Package: apt on i386 -- lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; wheezy: 0.9.7.4; sid: 0.9.7.5 |
| 16:48.57 | galexydeb | but I downloaded it from the same archive |
| 16:49.12 | jelly | archive.debian.org stores ALL the old releases |
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| 16:49.25 | jelly | !lenny sources.list |
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| 16:49.26 | dpkg | Lenny is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
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| 16:50.14 | jelly | galexydeb: that source will tell you which packages are from lenny once you get apt working. In the meantime, use /msg judd versions packagname |
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| 16:52.38 | galexydeb | jelly : I downloaded it from the security folder, and it worked ! now I have apt-get |
| 16:52.52 | galexydeb | thank you, but now I can not install aptitude |
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| 16:53.35 | jelly | how get rid of wheezy and squeeze sources, leave only lenny in, run an apt-get update, and see what's broken, for a start |
| 16:53.39 | jelly | now* |
| 16:54.11 | galexydeb | jelly : meanwhile http://pastebin.com/AMzZ22Bq |
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| 16:54.35 | jelly | meanwhile is irrelevant |
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| 16:55.02 | Guest32972 | i've enabled ssh server on install but can't ssh to the box, is there an additional step? |
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| 16:55.22 | Guest32972 | i can ssh back into the box from localhost, so sshd is running |
| 16:55.24 | jelly | galexydeb: make your apt config sane first |
| 16:55.29 | metaphysician | Guest32972: firewall? |
| 16:55.41 | Guest32972 | iptables is accepting all |
| 16:56.11 | metaphysician | sshd configuration? |
| 16:56.31 | Guest32972 | perhaps, both ListenAddress are commented out, does it listen on all interfaces by default? |
| 16:57.54 | metaphysician | not sure; see the docs |
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| 16:58.50 | galexydeb | what is the name of bot here ? |
| 16:59.38 | abrotman | galexydeb: /msg dpkg hi |
| 16:59.45 | galexydeb | thanks |
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| 17:07.04 | WDKevin | Why when I install a new version of something, like G++, it doesn't just replace g++ but rather makes a different command, like g++-4.6? |
| 17:07.29 | abrotman | it depends on what you're actually dealing with |
| 17:07.36 | WDKevin | In this case, G++ |
| 17:07.45 | AlexLikeRock | what messenger its better to video-call with a friend whit MSN messenger? |
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| 17:08.42 | themill | WDKevin: there is only one version of g++ in the release and that's the one everyone would ideally use and is /usr/bin/g++. Sometimes extra versions are provided and they give you g++-x.y what you can use if you really need to |
| 17:08.45 | galexydeb | jelly: apt-get update fixed |
| 17:08.51 | galexydeb | but I am not able to install aptitude |
| 17:09.13 | WDKevin | themill, that makes perfect sense. I had to add the wheezy repo to even get 4.6 |
| 17:09.36 | abrotman | galexydeb: pastebin could help |
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| 17:09.51 | galexydeb | jelly: the same first question : run apt-get -f install, then I see the promp "Yes do as I say" |
| 17:09.56 | sliddjur | Can someone give me some examples on how to use cut command? Im a noob |
| 17:09.57 | themill | WDKevin: I hope that doesn't mean that you're mixing squeeze and wheezy. That's not going to work out well |
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| 17:10.05 | babilen | !tell WDKevin -about bat |
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| 17:10.19 | WDKevin | themill, that was the only thing i did |
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| 17:10.51 | themill | sliddjur: "echo foo,bar | cut -f 1 -d," |
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| 17:10.57 | galexydeb | abrotman, jelly : http://pastebin.com/TgByPnfw |
| 17:11.14 | themill | WDKevin: that probably actually upgraded a reasonable portion of the toolchain to wheezy too in order to get multiarch support. Welcome to wheezy! |
| 17:11.48 | galexydeb | so what can I do ? |
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| 17:11.54 | WDKevin | then i may as well just go ahead and do an apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:12.32 | babilen | !!tell WDKevin -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:12.37 | babilen | !tell WDKevin -about squeeze->wheezy |
| 17:12.59 | WDKevin | babilen, im not serios |
| 17:13.01 | WDKevin | serious* |
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| 17:14.01 | babilen | WDKevin: Well, I am. Could you show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; dpkg -l libc6 multiarch-support" on http://paste.debian.net please? |
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| 17:14.44 | Bor_Ed | hello. I have issue with qmi_wwan module on recompiled 3.5.2 debian kernel tree and /etc/network/interfaces setup for the connection to get up on boot. what lines are exactly needed for the interfaces file to set up pin, apn and so on? |
| 17:15.03 | Nik05 | hey guys |
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| 17:15.17 | abrotman | galexydeb: you need to fully upgrade your box to whatever fversion you're trying to run |
| 17:15.23 | bitHipy | is there a simple tool that can display text that has accents? mutt is not handling mail correctly |
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| 17:15.58 | WDKevin | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7efebb2e/ |
| 17:16.00 | babilen | bitHipy: mutt has no problems with umlauts or accented characters. Does your terminal support it? |
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| 17:16.20 | galexydeb | abrotman : I want to do but I have only a connect ssh console, how can I do that ?is there a way to reinstall are necessary files via command line ? |
| 17:16.25 | bitHipy | babilen: not sure. I'm using gnu screen |
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| 17:16.54 | babilen | WDKevin: Yeah, you upgraded quite important packages to wheezy. There is no way to downgrade those and I would strongly recommend to upgrade completely as your system is a Frankedebian right now. |
| 17:17.19 | bitHipy | e.g. i get this "\352tre" when it should be "etre" w/ a special "e" |
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| 17:17.25 | babilen | bitHipy: Which version of Debian and which terminal do you use? Can you try it outside of screen? |
| 17:17.34 | WDKevin | babilen, so i should just do an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 17:18.11 | babilen | WDKevin: No, please follow the "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" factoid. |
| 17:18.23 | WDKevin | ok |
| 17:18.29 | WDKevin | truthfully |
| 17:18.33 | WDKevin | im about to wipe it and just install ubuntu |
| 17:18.34 | bitHipy | babilen: i use squeeze. I tried it with mutt inside gnome, and also mutt inside gnu screen inside xterm. |
| 17:18.54 | WDKevin | im sure theres a negative reason behind this, but ubuntu just works |
| 17:18.55 | babilen | WDKevin: If you prefer that: Have fun and see you in #ubuntu |
| 17:19.10 | bitHipy | babilen: both xterm and gnome terminal show numbers instead of the intended symbol |
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| 17:19.29 | abrotman | galexydeb: did you try the full-upgrade yet? |
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| 17:19.53 | bitHipy | the message has "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 " |
| 17:20.00 | bitHipy | my "locale" is en_US.utf8... seems correct |
| 17:20.00 | babilen | WDKevin: As does Debian as long as you don't mix releases. But it is your choice and you are welcome to use whatever distribution you like. I would recommend upgrading to wheezy, but it is entirely up to you. Have a nice day! |
| 17:20.12 | Nik05 | does wheezy's pam motd module uses update-motd.d? |
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| 17:20.53 | galexydeb | abrotman: no how to do that ? |
| 17:20.58 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 17:21.00 | babilen | bitHipy: I guess that your font can't display those. Unfortunately I have to leave now and can't talk you through it. I would recommend to ask the channel and try different fonts (e.g. terminus) |
| 17:21.09 | babilen | bitHipy: Good luck and see you later! :) |
| 17:21.17 | bitHipy | babilen: thank you |
| 17:21.19 | abrotman | galexydeb: read the release nbotes, it's not that hard |
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| 17:21.28 | WDKevin | babilen, ill try to wheezy upgrade first |
| 17:21.40 | WDKevin | thank you |
| 17:21.55 | TomyLobo | some slightly dated package wants libmono-dev to build. what do I change that to? |
| 17:22.12 | TomyLobo | i see a libmono-dev in squeeze and sid. i'm on wheezy |
| 17:22.13 | rndmz | Hey guys. I've testing a distribution of Debian called SolusOS (almost the same as debian), and I've some issues with the USB 2.0 and Mass storage on those port. |
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| 17:22.41 | ksuhku | !based on debian |
| 17:22.41 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 17:22.49 | boudiccas | then seek support in their support channel, we only support Debian here |
| 17:24.02 | rndmz | Oh. kk :( ty anyways |
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| 17:24.39 | galexydeb | abrotman: if I could install aptitude, I would be able to run full-upgrade, but I have only apt-get |
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| 17:29.22 | metaphysician | Doesn't apt-get's dist-upgrade do the same thing? |
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| 17:30.01 | boudiccas | metaphysician: yes |
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| 17:30.34 | metaphysician | galexydeb: ^ |
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| 17:33.19 | abrotman | galexydeb: dist-upgrade |
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| 17:35.28 | cardamon | Anyone familiar with octave? I'm trying to use it as an alternative to matlab, and hunting for which package has fspecial in it. |
| 17:35.35 | cardamon | Maybe I should just get them all? |
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| 17:36.04 | dreamer | weird, booted up my old mediabox, on some newer hardware. and somehow I can't kill processes with ctrl+C, it just displays ^C but doesn't stop them (running squeeze) |
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| 17:37.06 | blubberdiblub | cardamon, octave-image maybe? |
| 17:37.37 | cardamon | blubberdiblub: I think so. Working on it. |
| 17:37.39 | cardamon | Thanks. |
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| 17:40.00 | stmaher | Hi guys, Im new to IPsec and was wondering if someone could explain to me why my ipsec connection breaks after I add a rule to NAT internet traffic through IPtables |
| 17:40.07 | galexydeb | abrotman: every try to install via apt-get gives me same error : "Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)" |
| 17:40.20 | stmaher | Normally im used to a tun0 but racoon/ipsec-tools is a little weird how it handles it on an interface.. |
| 17:40.42 | stmaher | any help would be very much appreaciated.. or if you know of another channel I can join which might help me further.. thanks guys! |
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| 17:41.47 | sliddjur | grep joe,sliddjur /etc/passwd # how do i get the two lines containing joe and sliddjur? |
| 17:42.53 | abrotman | galexydeb: you're going to have to paste your sources.list |
| 17:42.58 | ksuhku | sliddjur, pipe two greps? |
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| 17:44.20 | galexydeb | abrotman : http://pastebin.com/vWnp5nbB , but as you know the problem is because of a mistakely dist-upgrade to wheezy before this occured |
| 17:44.48 | ksuhku | or if you want either instance try grep -E 'joe|sliddjur' path |
| 17:44.48 | kwork | sliddjur: egrep 'joe|slidjur' /etc/passwd |
| 17:44.49 | abrotman | galexydeb: PS, use paste.debian.net |
| 17:45.00 | abrotman | galexydeb: oh, you're trying to downgrade again ? |
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| 17:45.31 | galexydeb | abrotman: yes if be possible |
| 17:45.54 | galexydeb | or if not, have a successfull upgrade |
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| 17:46.52 | galexydeb | abrotman : http://paste.debian.net/193287/ |
| 17:46.54 | dario | in wheezy/multiarch, where have the .so symlinks to libraries gone? |
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| 17:49.56 | abrotman | galexydeb: you're likely going to have to go squeeze in between |
| 17:50.06 | ksuhku | !tell dario about multiarch |
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| 17:51.09 | galexydeb | abrotman; ok, but how to do that while aptitude does not work and apt-get install as well |
| 17:51.29 | galexydeb | and also dist-upgrade does not work ( unment dependencies ) |
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| 17:54.03 | themill | sliddjur: "getent passwd user1 user2" is an even better way of doing it |
| 17:54.29 | fredl | hi guys, how do I force gnome shell to no longer start up the fallback to classig? |
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| 17:55.37 | fredl | for some reason the first time after I upgraded the Wheezy it said something about my hardware being too old (I didn't have the ATI microcode installed) but now it seems to always fall back to classic |
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| 17:55.57 | xy | Hello, i have a problem when doing "apt-get update", it throws an error: http://pastebin.com/CTe6ZB48 |
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| 17:56.42 | themill | xy: your sources.list for security.debian.org is wrong |
| 17:56.49 | themill | dpkg: tell xy about make squeeze sources.list |
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| 17:57.33 | themill | xy: also, please don't use ftp.debian.org but instead choose a better mirror. http.debian.net as suggested by dpkg is a good option |
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| 17:57.53 | xy | themill: that was the default configuration how i got that server |
| 17:58.08 | themill | xy: then you need to lart whoever made that server image |
| 17:58.19 | fredl | lart!! |
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| 18:00.27 | xy | themill: okay, it works now, thank you |
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| 18:02.01 | Dan39 | if i add multiple IPs to same interface(like eth0 and eth0:0, etc.) can i have difference services listening on each IP with same port? like a 2 webservers listens on port 80 for each IP? |
| 18:02.26 | Dan39 | doesnt seem to be working right now :| |
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| 18:02.45 | xy | Also, i have another problem. logrotate does not work. |
| 18:02.45 | xy | cron is running and there is a working script in /etc/cron.daily, but it seems that cron does not execute that. It however works when i execute it by hand (just executing /etc/cron.daily/logrotate using bash) |
| 18:02.52 | jelly-home | Dan39: sure, as long as the services support that configuration |
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| 18:03.14 | Dan39 | yea i can specify the ip |
| 18:03.18 | jelly-home | Dan39: you probably need to, well, configure them correctly |
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| 18:03.43 | Dan39 | i changed apache2 to listen on only the 1 IP, and now it is, and is working like it should |
| 18:03.53 | Dan39 | but the other is not, only working on 8080 |
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| 18:04.31 | tremon | Dan39: virtual interfaces are just that, virtual. two applications can't bind to the same port |
| 18:04.54 | Dan39 | had a feelin youd say that :| |
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| 18:05.14 | tremon | you can put a reverse proxy before them (doable with iptables iirc) |
| 18:05.43 | Dan39 | its fine |
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| 18:06.01 | Dan39 | ill just setup apache2 to proxy like i should of :| |
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| 18:06.33 | jelly-home | Dan39: the other what? |
| 18:06.37 | jelly-home | tremon: false |
| 18:06.43 | Dan39 | <_< |
| 18:06.54 | jelly-home | you can do it! We trust in you! |
| 18:06.54 | Dan39 | the other is just plone/zope |
| 18:07.22 | jelly-home | and can you configure it to bind to a specific listener ip? |
| 18:07.30 | Dan39 | yea |
| 18:07.35 | jelly-home | but? |
| 18:07.37 | tremon | hmm... I thought a bind() was always done on interface/port pair, not on ip/port pair |
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| 18:08.08 | tremon | happy to be proven wrong though :) |
| 18:08.11 | jelly-home | all those other addresses would not have much use |
| 18:08.18 | Dan39 | well apache2 is only listening on the ip i told it to, the other ip(on same NIC) shows no server at all right now |
| 18:08.29 | xy | I think i resolved my cron issue in meantime, it was in fact anacron not working correctly |
| 18:08.53 | Dan39 | tho the server on port 8080 id eotkinh |
| 18:08.55 | Dan39 | is working |
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| 18:10.45 | Dan39 | well apache2 itself could make sure of the seperate IPs and have different websites per-IP and both on port 80, but i dont think a different program can listen on port 80 also |
| 18:10.48 | JessicaW | hi! how do you setup your config for nfs export to two subnets? |
| 18:10.51 | Dan39 | would have to have something in the middle |
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| 18:11.38 | Dan39 | id say tremon is right about virtual interfaces, cant use same port |
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| 18:12.06 | fredl | how do I check for/install a kernel driver for my radeon card? |
| 18:12.37 | abrotman | galexydeb: you're going to have to do it in pieces |
| 18:12.48 | tremon | fredl: modinfo radeon |
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| 18:13.14 | fredl | whoops that gives a LOT of output... |
| 18:13.24 | xeon123 | I'm trying to setup the wlan, but I always got not wireless network found. any help? |
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| 18:13.33 | tremon | is you just want to know if it's loaded, lsmod|grep radeon will suffice |
| 18:13.41 | maukd | what does this error mean? "libsqlite3-dev: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (=3.7.3-1) but 3.7.13-1~bpo60+1 is to be installed" |
| 18:13.51 | maukd | and how do I get sqlite headers installed? |
| 18:14.08 | tremon | maukd: it means you're using backports for the library |
| 18:14.09 | xeon123 | my wlan controller is: 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LA |
| 18:14.16 | LordShiva | I have nasty problem with Vlc |
| 18:14.17 | tremon | that means you must use backports for the -dev package too |
| 18:14.18 | fredl | hmm it's loaded alright. |
| 18:14.24 | maukd | tremon: how do I do that? |
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| 18:14.50 | tremon | maukd: same way you installed the library ;) apt-get -t squeeze-backports install [..] |
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| 18:14.57 | LordShiva | My Vlc produce annoying noise and echo when I try to play movies and music |
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| 18:15.12 | maukd | I don't think I installed the library that way |
| 18:15.13 | LordShiva | Anyone had simmilar problem |
| 18:15.19 | ErvisTusha | hi all |
| 18:15.27 | tremon | fredl: so what's your real question? |
| 18:15.46 | ErvisTusha | anyone have experiences with openvpn ? |
| 18:15.46 | themill | maukd: did you grab something like iceweasel from backports? |
| 18:16.17 | themill | ErvisTusha: if you're using ubuntu, then you were in the right place when you asked earlier... |
| 18:16.25 | maukd | themill: yes, mozilla.debian.net |
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| 18:16.51 | themill | maukd: so the newer iceweasel packages require sqlite from backports.debian.org which is why you've already got it from there |
| 18:16.54 | bitonic | is there any way to disable gnome3 animations easily? |
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| 18:17.02 | bitonic | especially the transition between workspaces |
| 18:17.07 | bitonic | and drop shadows for windows |
| 18:17.20 | xeon123 | but the iwconfig wlan0 says: wlan0 No such device |
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| 18:17.55 | ErvisTusha | themill, Im not only ubuntu user |
| 18:17.59 | maukd | ah |
| 18:17.59 | boudiccas | does anyone use claws mail for their email please? i've got some problems with it, and its not removing the mail from the server even though its configured to remove them. this is my config file for it http://dpaste.com/806403/ |
| 18:18.10 | ErvisTusha | themill, can you help me |
| 18:18.44 | fredl | tremon - I'm having problems with Gnome 3 is what I thought at first.... |
| 18:18.47 | boudiccas | so can anyone help me get it working right please? |
| 18:19.29 | fredl | tremon - http://pastebin.ca/2210656 |
| 18:19.53 | fredl | tremon - I thought my Gnome 3 problems were related to that, somebody on #gnome told me that's not good. |
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| 18:20.12 | fredl | tremon - but I also get it when I start up, say, firefox from the terminal commandline |
| 18:20.25 | tremon | fredl: can you paste your xorg.log and the output of glxinfo? |
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| 18:21.37 | tremon | and also apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-radeon libgl1-mesa-{glx,dri} while you're at it :) |
| 18:22.31 | fredl | tremon - Here's a chunk of my syslog for starters http://pastebin.ca/2210657 |
| 18:22.50 | fredl | so it looks like the kernel driver detects my card properly from what I can see |
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| 18:23.38 | tremon | fredl: yes, kernel driver and firmware seem to be ok |
| 18:24.01 | fredl | tremon - here's the Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/2210658 that also seems fine to my untrained eye |
| 18:24.03 | tremon | although I do question your 60s from boot to X... |
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| 18:24.40 | tremon | fredl: your xorg.conf seems to be a leftover from a fglrx config |
| 18:24.52 | tremon | are you using the proprietary or open driver? |
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| 18:25.17 | fredl | I'm using the open driver right now, but have indeed used the fglrx driver before. |
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| 18:25.47 | mugwort13 | anyone know of a good irc channel for networking or wifi? |
| 18:25.53 | tremon | try starting X without any xorg.conf (just move it out of the way). make sure xorg.conf.d is also empty |
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| 18:26.23 | fredl | ok. Here's what was in there: http://pastebin.ca/2210659 |
| 18:26.47 | tremon | [ 1680.973] (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. |
| 18:27.18 | tremon | that seems to me you may still have leftover opengl drivers from fglrx |
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| 18:27.39 | tremon | try apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-{glx,dri} |
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| 18:28.01 | fredl | in xorg.conf.d are only the standard evdev/synaptics and wacom |
| 18:28.13 | fredl | alright, restarting without xorg.conf, brb |
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| 18:29.12 | bullgard4 | How can I determin what font my uxterm is using? |
| 18:29.41 | boudiccas | bullgard4: look at its config file |
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| 18:30.52 | fredl | tremon - starting up without xorg.conf didn't make any difference |
| 18:31.04 | fredl | I guess I'll remove all fglrx related pkgs |
| 18:31.16 | fredl | glxinfo still gives the error message |
| 18:32.00 | tremon | yeah, there's probably a library issue (as I noted later, maybe you missed it) |
| 18:32.11 | fredl | I guess I may have |
| 18:32.20 | tremon | [ 1680.973] (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. |
| 18:32.24 | tremon | that seems to me you may still have leftover opengl drivers from fglrx |
| 18:32.27 | tremon | try apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-{glx,dri} |
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| 18:32.50 | fredl | 'k lemme first remove all leftover fglrx stuff |
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| 18:33.54 | fredl | aha, on removing those fglrx packages it also said the fglrx kernel driver was *active* |
| 18:34.31 | tremon | that's odd... last time I checked, fglrx and radeon can't be active at the same time |
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| 18:35.06 | alusion | Why might someone want to install a DNS server on Debian? |
| 18:35.19 | dondelelcaro | alusion: because they are serving DNS, or want to cache DNS. |
| 18:35.31 | jelly-home | alusion: to have a place for their domain/zone data? |
| 18:35.38 | fredl | gosh this has been so long ago... but I recall enabling the fglrx image in the initrd |
| 18:35.51 | alusion | So would that be good for Analyst systems? For those whom want to see network traffic going through for example? |
| 18:36.08 | fredl | alrite, I'm going to reboot now |
| 18:36.10 | fredl | brb |
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| 18:38.30 | galexydeb | abrotman : I can run aptitude but the unmet dependencies are not resolvable. I am only connect to my server via ssh, and even the ssh deamon is off ( If I disconnect I will not be able to reconnect and the deamon does not restart also ). the clear question : Is there a command to force my linux box to do a fresh reinstall of itself cleanly from a given repository ? |
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| 18:40.05 | chemistrydioxide | boudiccas: I was gone for a few hours |
| 18:40.13 | chemistrydioxide | and no, the problem isn't solved |
| 18:40.59 | chemistrydioxide | And there's something else |
| 18:41.24 | chemistrydioxide | In all of my titlebars, there's a grey square next to the application icon |
| 18:41.40 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: did you remove the cache folder and let it set up a new one? |
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| 18:41.51 | chemistrydioxide | where is the cache folder? |
| 18:42.00 | chemistrydioxide | ~/.mozilla/something? |
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| 18:42.11 | boudiccas | i dont know, you'll just have to explore a bit. |
| 18:42.19 | fredl | tremon, that did it, thanks for your time. |
| 18:42.25 | tremon | yw :) |
| 18:42.27 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: doubtful, its not mozilla |
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| 18:44.12 | chemistrydioxide | Well, there is a cache folder somewhere a few levels below .mozilla and I have moved away the whole .mozilla directory |
| 18:44.23 | bullgard4 | boudiccas: Is /etc/X11/app-defaults/UXTerm its config file? This seems to allow a set of 6 fonts: (font2, font, font3, font4, font5, font6). Which one is active? |
| 18:44.33 | chemistrydioxide | If you're not talking about that cache directory, I don't know what to look for |
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| 18:44.49 | chemistrydioxide | there's no such thing as ~/.iceweasel or ~/.firefox |
| 18:45.49 | chemistrydioxide | I'll reboot now, let's see if that works |
| 18:46.04 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: it shouldnt need a reboot |
| 18:46.19 | boudiccas | it should just need you restarting iceweasel |
| 18:46.31 | abrotman | galexydeb: debootstrap, maybe .. |
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| 18:47.13 | boudiccas | bullgard4: isnt there a config file in your /home/$user directory? |
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| 18:48.33 | jelly-home | boudiccas: sure there is, ~/.Xresources |
| 18:49.27 | boudiccas | jelly-home: bullgard4; well that should be able to tell you what the fonts are |
| 18:49.34 | boudiccas | jelly-home: thanks :) |
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| 18:50.00 | jelly-home | bullgard4: any one of those can be active, I think. Hold Control and press the right mouse button in an xterm... then pick one |
| 18:51.30 | jelly-home | (out of the Unreadable .. Huge sequence) |
| 18:52.58 | fredl | hmm, my virtual hosts seem to be stuck on 'Starting NFS common utilities: statd idmapd" |
| 18:53.56 | heiner | With KDE: how can I configure the window manager to print the window size in columns/rows during resize? |
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| 18:54.31 | fredl | interesting, powercycling them makes them boot through |
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| 18:54.53 | haole | hey there... how do i change from dash do bash as the default sh in debian wheezy? i'm dealing with legacy scripts that are complaining about dash |
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| 18:55.13 | chemistrydioxide | boudiccas: Now it works again |
| 18:55.19 | tremon | haole: fix the scripts, save the planet ;) |
| 18:55.30 | oo_miguel | For some reason my external drive is mounted read-only :( . Can somebody have a look and tell me why this might happen please ? : http://pastebin.com/XALM6RTk |
| 18:55.43 | oo_miguel | is this because of this exFAT? |
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| 18:55.58 | haole | tremon: it's third party stuff... if i mess them up, then it is my fault and not theirs :) |
| 18:56.05 | boudiccas | chemistrydioxide: good, so it was some problem with the old directory, i'd just delete it, but i'm glad its working properly then :) |
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| 18:56.55 | haole | i am willing to just change the symbolic link but maybe there is a debian-way that will do other necessary stuff as well |
| 18:57.02 | tremon | oo_miguel: the default in-kernel ntfs driver is still read-only |
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| 18:57.41 | tremon | haole: /bin/sh used to be a configurable alternative, but no more |
| 18:58.00 | tremon | how about chroot()ing your supplier's tools? |
| 18:58.03 | haole | done it... just dpkg-reconfigure dash |
| 18:58.05 | haole | easy enough |
| 18:58.11 | tremon | ah :) |
| 18:58.22 | tremon | oo_miguel: try installing ntfs-3g |
| 18:58.31 | haole | tremon: the chrooting is a hell of a good idea |
| 18:58.35 | haole | good call! |
| 18:59.11 | chemistrydioxide | boudiccas: No, the directory wasn't the issue |
| 18:59.25 | chemistrydioxide | I just restored the old directory and it is still working |
| 18:59.30 | chemistrydioxide | only difference is |
| 18:59.49 | chemistrydioxide | Now my Tab bar is *above* the toolbar |
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| 19:00.13 | themill | chemistrydioxide: you can change that in View → Toolbars |
| 19:01.24 | chemistrydioxide | thx |
| 19:01.52 | chemistrydioxide | Somehow, the window does still look different |
| 19:02.05 | chemistrydioxide | Something is gone |
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| 19:03.01 | galexydeb | how can I force aptitude NOT TO REMOVE any thing during my install order for a specific package ? |
| 19:03.30 | oo_miguel | thank you tremon , that solved my problem :) |
| 19:03.39 | galexydeb | now when I want to install a single package, aptitude asks me to remove a lot of other packages, which I do not want to do |
| 19:03.48 | chemistrydioxide | galexydeb: I wouldn't use aptitude |
| 19:03.55 | themill | galexydeb: please pastebin the entire output |
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| 19:04.16 | chemistrydioxide | galexydeb: Probably there is an incompatibility between the packages in question |
| 19:04.53 | chemistrydioxide | Have you tried to reject all those removals? Did aptitude allow you install the package anyway? |
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| 19:05.11 | queso | I'm trying to run nm-applet and keep getting: WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /home/me/.cache/keyring-rAgZsb/pkcs11: No such file or directory Any ideas? |
| 19:05.32 | queso | is on testing wheezy |
| 19:05.45 | chemistrydioxide | I have had situations where synaptic wanted to remove packages but I could convince it not to do so |
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| 19:06.02 | themill | chemistrydioxide: let's see some real output before trying to guess what's going on... |
| 19:06.31 | galexydeb | themill: ok you will be shoked : http://pastebin.com/7QZ8BdYq |
| 19:06.42 | galexydeb | do I press yes or no ?? |
| 19:06.54 | themill | galexydeb: heh... what do you think? |
| 19:07.16 | themill | galexydeb: why on earth are you trying to remove libc-bin? |
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| 19:08.12 | chemistrydioxide | themill: NO, of course |
| 19:08.21 | galexydeb | thats an example, everything other also is like that ------ for example dist-upgrade |
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| 19:08.32 | chemistrydioxide | and libc-bin is essential |
| 19:08.43 | themill | galexydeb: let's see a real example rather than something that's obviously a stupid thing to do |
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| 19:09.56 | chemistrydioxide | Well, it's completely normal that aptitude wants to remove everything if you try to remove libc |
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| 19:11.10 | themill | galexydeb: try running "aptitude unmarkauto ~pstandard+ ~prequired+ ~pimportant+" and pastebin what it wants to do. (also please use a non-sucky pastebin like paste.debian.net rather than pastebin.com) |
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| 19:12.14 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: Pressing Ctrl+Right mouse button allows me to select 1 of 7 fonts: Huge, Large, Medium, Small, Tiny, Unreadable, and Default. ~/.Xressources lists only 6 fonts. How can I establish a mapping between the 7 and the 6 fonts sets? |
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| 19:12.54 | galexydeb | themill: the same for dist-upgrade : http://pastebin.com/683QsrmY |
| 19:13.10 | galexydeb | ok |
| 19:13.12 | themill | galexydeb: what are you dist-upgrading from and to here? |
| 19:13.14 | chemistrydioxide | boudiccas: Thank you for your help |
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| 19:14.40 | galexydeb | themill :http://paste.debian.net/193313/ |
| 19:15.15 | galexydeb | themill: probably from lenny to squeeze, at least now ! |
| 19:15.18 | oo_miguel | can I somehow check the max read and write speeds of my harddisk? |
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| 19:15.32 | sidewalk | i currently have ubuntu with software raid (md0, md1 & md2), i want to keep md1 & md2, but install debian on the md0, is it possible keeping the devices md1 & md2 from data loss during the installation process of debian? anything i should think of? |
| 19:15.47 | bluesm1 | Hi. What I should do to install drivers for |
| 19:15.50 | bluesm1 | Intel® HD Graphics with 128 MB ? |
| 19:15.54 | themill | galexydeb: oh... do you still have a mixture of lenny, squeeze and wheezy there? |
| 19:16.05 | galexydeb | themill : may be |
| 19:16.09 | themill | ugh |
| 19:16.14 | themill | why have you not just reinstalled |
| 19:16.26 | galexydeb | I can not , you tell me how |
| 19:16.56 | galexydeb | I just have a sigle ssh connection, where if I lose it I will lose my server because even ssh deamon is stopped |
| 19:17.27 | tremon | galexydeb: in other words, your system is already beyond repair? |
| 19:17.33 | themill | galexydeb: this is a box that is hosted by someone else isn't it? As their tech support to just give you a fresh squeeze install (or do that through their web control panel if you can) |
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| 19:18.16 | galexydeb | themill: that is possible but will take some days while I need it today and can not wait so long |
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| 19:18.23 | chemistrydioxide | sidewalk: It should be possible to shrink the raid to two disks |
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| 19:18.33 | themill | galexydeb: fixing this is going to take you all day anyway... and the rest. |
| 19:18.58 | galexydeb | I just thought there must be a solution to this problem in linux |
| 19:19.15 | galexydeb | and I am sad there may be not |
| 19:19.18 | tremon | galexydeb: there is, but not without console access |
| 19:19.22 | themill | galexydeb: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 19:19.35 | themill | or a hell of a lot of time and knowledge |
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| 19:19.43 | bluesm1 | ? |
| 19:20.15 | galexydeb | themill: http://paste.debian.net/193315/ |
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| 19:20.19 | julius | hi |
| 19:20.22 | jelly-home | bullgard4: that, and more, is discussed in the manual for xterm I guess |
| 19:20.44 | Guest75333 | how do you check if /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf was created by the user or installed by some package? |
| 19:20.50 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: I will have a look. Thank you. |
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| 19:21.26 | themill | galexydeb: can you add squeeze to your sources.list as a starter then run "apt-get update" |
| 19:21.43 | galexydeb | themill: you mean both lenny and squeeze be there ? |
| 19:22.10 | themill | yeah, for the time being. having there lenny won't hurt |
| 19:22.24 | galexydeb | and after that run which command ? the same policy one ? |
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| 19:23.55 | themill | galexydeb: the output of «aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'» would be good to see next |
| 19:24.31 | bluesm1 | ? |
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| 19:24.56 | jarg0n | Hey everyone :) |
| 19:25.00 | themill | bluesm1: no-one is likely to know what card that is from that description. "aptitude install xorg" should be enough |
| 19:25.08 | tremon | themill: whoa, can you explain the [^n][^o].* to me? |
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| 19:25.41 | themill | tremon: apt has an internal "now" release for everything, so that's matching releases that don't start with n then o. Icky but fun. |
| 19:25.49 | tremon | ah... :) |
| 19:25.51 | tremon | thx |
| 19:26.16 | jarg0n | I was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm trying to find a way to do the DOS equivalent of "dir 'path' /S /B /A:D" in Linux where it will only list the folders and subfolders of the path I specify |
| 19:26.37 | tremon | jarg0n: find -type d? |
| 19:27.43 | galexydeb | themill: regex compilation error : http://paste.debian.net/193316/ |
| 19:27.48 | jarg0n | tremon: so I would do something like find /home/blah -type d? |
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| 19:27.52 | damacus | teo |
| 19:27.55 | damacus | yep* |
| 19:28.05 | themill | galexydeb: ugh. lenny's version of aptitude might not handle that |
| 19:28.09 | tremon | damacus: keyboard off-by-one error? |
| 19:28.37 | damacus | was typing at a weird angle :) |
| 19:28.53 | themill | galexydeb: also, lenny's apt doesn't handle http.debian.net iirc :S |
| 19:28.55 | jarg0n | Just an fyi, I love you guys. |
| 19:29.05 | jarg0n | <3 |
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| 19:30.35 | jarg0n | I'm over here doing something more complex like "ls -l | grep '^d' | awk '{print $9}' |
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| 19:30.42 | jarg0n | When it was as easy as find -type d... |
| 19:30.44 | jarg0n | Sigh |
| 19:31.27 | tremon | jarg0n: that sums up my usual experience on #bash quite nicely :) |
| 19:31.33 | maukd | ls */ |
| 19:31.40 | maukd | ls -d */ |
| 19:32.06 | damacus | yeah, hear ya. done a few things the hard way.. find is awesome for a lot of things |
| 19:32.07 | tremon | maukd: correct, but he was asking for subdirs too :) |
| 19:32.31 | jarg0n | tremon: trying to catch up with the world... :\ I've used Linux in the past for a bit. Just got back into it. I'm trying to teach myself programming and what not |
| 19:32.39 | jarg0n | a 29 year old bastard trying to learn programming... |
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| 19:33.36 | maukd | tremon: yeah, I was just trying to simplify his pipeline |
| 19:35.38 | dkr | the grep|awk could also be: awk '/^d/ {print $9}' :) |
| 19:37.40 | tremon | yes, and there's also ls -1d */. Now can we get back to debian questions please? ;) |
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| 19:38.20 | fredl | hey guys. I don't seem to be able to mount my NFS filesystems anymore from my vhosts |
| 19:38.35 | tremon | perfect timing :) |
| 19:38.44 | fredl | when I do showmount -e <nfs server> I do see the shares |
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| 19:39.47 | tremon | fredl: do you have debug logs (mount -vvv, rpc.mountd -vvv etc) |
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| 19:40.30 | fredl | hmm it may be related to IPv6 |
| 19:40.46 | fredl | I have the filesystems exported to the IPv4 addresses... |
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| 19:41.12 | fredl | http://paste.debian.net/193326/ |
| 19:41.57 | tremon | well at the very least it shouldn't time-out, unless the servers can't reach each other over ipv6 |
| 19:42.14 | tremon | but I'd try with explicit ipv4 addresses first |
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| 19:43.28 | fredl | boom, put IPv4 addresses in fstab and it works right away |
| 19:43.33 | tremon | hmm... 3dn? sounds familiar :) |
| 19:44.06 | fredl | really? |
| 19:44.26 | fredl | Arno Schuring? |
| 19:44.37 | fredl | ken ik jou toevallig? |
| 19:44.55 | tremon | I don't think we should be going dutch in here :) |
| 19:45.09 | fredl | true. |
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| 19:45.53 | jarg0n | well, that sucks. find -type d doesn't work on mac os x... |
| 19:46.02 | antgel | hi all, what's the shell command to change the virtual console displayed on the monitor (as opposed to using Alt-F1 etc) |
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| 19:46.18 | tremon | jarg0n: magic word is fink, iirc |
| 19:46.48 | damacus | jarg0n: it does.. |
| 19:47.07 | jarg0n | damacus: nay. find -type d doesn't work in os x. trying it out now. |
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| 19:49.39 | jarg0n | nevermind... needed the folderpath.... >_> |
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| 19:50.08 | damacus | gotcha |
| 19:50.57 | Ejdesgaard | Hi, is there any chance that zabbix-server-mysql-2.0 will enter wheezy? |
| 19:51.04 | bluesm1 | themill: What do "aptitude install xorg" ? |
| 19:51.14 | damacus | , versions zabbix |
| 19:51.16 | judd | No package named 'zabbix' was found in i386. |
| 19:51.19 | tremon | ,v zabbix-server-mysql |
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| 19:51.19 | judd | Package: zabbix-server-mysql on i386 -- lenny: 1:1.4.6-1; lenny-backports: 1:1.8.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze2; squeeze-proposed-updates: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1:1.8.2-1squeeze4; wheezy: 1:1.8.11-1+b1; sid: 1:2.0.2+dfsg-4 |
| 19:52.08 | tremon | Ejdesgaard: slim chance, there's no unblock requests for 2.0 |
| 19:52.31 | jelly-home | tremon: where does one look at unblock requests |
| 19:52.50 | Ejdesgaard | tremon, where do I apply it? |
| 19:52.54 | tremon | pts, testing excuses |
| 19:53.37 | tremon | Ejdesgaard: I'm not sure. You may want to ask on #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) how to do that |
| 19:54.51 | tremon | Ejdesgaard: the maintainer needs to contact the release managers for that to happen. But since 2.0 didn't even enter sid before the freeze, I don't think it will be honoured |
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| 19:56.25 | bullgard4 | jelly-home: I found the sought-for mapping in man xterm. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
| 19:56.36 | damacus | Ejdesgaard: on the upside, though, with the freeze already done, you can roll your own 2.0 package and it should work fine thru wheezy's life |
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| 19:57.57 | bluesm1 | "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)" |
| 19:58.05 | bluesm1 | There are any drivers for that ? |
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| 19:58.31 | tremon | oops... spoke too soon |
| 19:58.45 | tremon | jelly-home: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=release.debian.org;dist=unstable |
| 19:58.58 | tremon | Ejdesgaard: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687916 |
| 19:59.50 | jelly-home | so many |
| 20:00.24 | bluesm1 | ? |
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| 20:01.32 | tremon | bluesm1: what's the pciid |
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| 20:03.55 | Ejdesgaard | hmm.. |
| 20:04.02 | bluesm1 | pciid ? |
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| 20:04.53 | tremon | bluesm1: output of lspci -nn for the graphics card |
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| 20:05.21 | tremon | specifically, the [4:4] digits at the end |
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| 20:05.57 | bluesm1 | tremon: [8086:0046] |
| 20:06.10 | bluesm1 | "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0046] (rev 02)" |
| 20:06.18 | tremon | ,pci-id [8086:0046] |
| 20:06.19 | judd | [8086:0046] is 'Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'i915' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0046 |
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| 20:07.03 | tremon | bluesm1: that's driver xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 20:09.24 | bluesm1 | tremon: Which I should install ? |
| 20:10.09 | tremon | bluesm1: xserver-xorg-video-intel |
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| 20:11.14 | bluesm1 | I have that already :) |
| 20:11.25 | bluesm1 | So there is not any additional driver :) |
| 20:11.31 | bluesm1 | Yes? |
| 20:11.37 | bluesm1 | How do you get this information ? |
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| 20:12.25 | tremon | well, judd said the kernel module was i915, so I did apt-cache search i915 and it gave me the xserver video driver |
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| 20:13.37 | drigolli2r | re |
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| 20:19.10 | wertyuioiuytr | j |
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| 20:21.52 | TheWarden | Hi, I', trying to determine what is the proper way to restart the network. I've read /etc/init.d/networking has been deprecated. |
| 20:22.24 | tremon | iirc, it's ifup/ifdown and you have to be explicit about which interface |
| 20:22.27 | TheWarden | I have also found ifconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up or ip link set eth0 down && ip link set eth0 up |
| 20:22.50 | tremon | ifconfig and ip don't read the interfaces file |
| 20:22.52 | TheWarden | then I also found ifdown and ifup which appear to be more reliable and appears to work each time I've tested it. |
| 20:23.21 | tremon | which is why it's preferred over the catch-all networking restart |
| 20:23.28 | TheWarden | so then the true restart would be using ifdown/ifup for a given NIC? |
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| 20:23.48 | tremon | yes |
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| 20:24.33 | TheWarden | okay, so then doing it via the init.d, ifconfig or ip are deprecated or meant for a different use in regards to restarting the network? |
| 20:24.39 | tremon | ip (and ifconfig) is a low-level tool, mostly used in emergency situations |
| 20:25.12 | tremon | ifconfig has been deprecated for years on linux, but it's hard to beat 20 years of maintainer experience across all unixes :) |
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| 20:27.17 | tremon | the init.d method was unreliable in some cases (some interfaces were restarted, some weren't) |
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| 20:28.15 | TheWarden | okay, thanks for the explanation. |
| 20:28.28 | tremon | yw :) |
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| 20:39.55 | k3nz0 | Hello, I'm facing some problems. |
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| 20:41.11 | k3nz0 | I installed Apache in a debian, and even if apache is not started, I get this error "The service is not available. Please try again later." |
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| 20:41.56 | k3nz0 | when opening it, http://ip_address/ |
| 20:42.04 | jordanm | even if? |
| 20:42.04 | JoeHazzers | then you're connecting to the wrong host, not connecting to the host at all, or something else is running on port 80 |
| 20:42.24 | jordanm | k3nz0: that is probably correct for when it is not started |
| 20:42.45 | k3nz0 | jordanm, nothing changes if it's started too ... |
| 20:42.56 | k3nz0 | I get the same error ... |
| 20:42.57 | JoeHazzers | if apache runs on port 80, and you connect to the host when the service is down, but still receive an HTTP response |
| 20:43.01 | JoeHazzers | SOMETHING ELSE is on port 80 |
| 20:43.02 | tremon | k3nz0: and on 127.0.01 ? |
| 20:43.20 | k3nz0 | tremon, i'm connected through ssh |
| 20:43.32 | jordanm | k3nz0: lynx 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:43.33 | tremon | netstat -nlp|grep 80 |
| 20:44.07 | k3nz0 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6053/apache2 |
| 20:44.20 | jordanm | that's right |
| 20:44.22 | JoeHazzers | so apache *is* running, then |
| 20:44.36 | k3nz0 | Then, why I get this error ? ... |
| 20:44.37 | jordanm | k3nz0: and "lynx localhost"? |
| 20:44.49 | k3nz0 | wget http://localhost/ |
| 20:44.54 | k3nz0 | I get "It works" |
| 20:45.03 | jordanm | then you have a firewall or networking issue |
| 20:45.05 | tremon | k3nz0: well, could be because of a firewall, or proxy |
| 20:45.10 | JoeHazzers | jordanm is right |
| 20:45.12 | k3nz0 | Hum, yea |
| 20:45.22 | k3nz0 | maybe |
| 20:46.01 | cnythnk | hm first time installing debian, just curious, what should I add when it asks me for the domain name? I do have a dyndns, but well not sure if I should add that one or just write something such as local |
| 20:46.29 | tremon | cnythnk: do not use .local -- anything but that, it can always be changed later |
| 20:46.43 | jordanm | cnythnk: don't use local, it can mess up thinks such as avahi |
| 20:46.47 | tremon | .local is autoconfiguration space |
| 20:47.09 | cnythnk | ah ill just write my dydns and then change it later on if needed |
| 20:47.09 | JoeHazzers | .internal is a good bet |
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| 20:47.12 | cnythnk | thanks guys :-) |
| 20:47.27 | JoeHazzers | but it is not a reserved TLD for internal purposes, despite widespread use |
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| 20:48.07 | tremon | I'm using .site, but I know of no explicitly reserved tld's |
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| 20:48.31 | k3nz0 | tremon, so what can I do ? |
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| 20:49.07 | tremon | k3nz0: not sure, it's virtually impossible for us to list all the ways in which a machine can be reachable over ssh but not http |
| 20:49.20 | zeeflo_off | im having trouble with php_sendmail function on my debian server.. I am pretty sure its because my server is here in my home and I need to configure something.. Where do I begin to troubleshoot? How do I find logs etc? |
| 20:49.30 | tremon | you can try the usual (traceroute, mtr) or something like tcping |
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| 20:50.11 | tremon | zeeflo_off: depends on the mailserver, but /var/log/maillog would be a good start |
| 20:50.17 | zeeflo_off | ok |
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| 20:50.27 | zeeflo_off | i think its just the standard exim4? |
| 20:50.35 | zeeflo_off | i havent installed any per say.. |
| 20:50.40 | jordanm | zeeflo_off: use PEAR::Mail if you don't know how to configure a mailserver. it can send authenticated emails through a different smtp server |
| 20:51.25 | tremon | zeeflo_off: exim has /var/log/exim4/ along with the usual /var/log/mail* |
| 20:51.54 | jordanm | here in the US, most residentials ISPs block outbound port 25, so even if you do know how to configure, you would need to do it to relay to a smarthost |
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| 20:52.41 | k3nz0 | Well, I'll try to run Apache, in another port |
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| 20:53.05 | Player | run it on 465, i mean the smtp client |
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| 20:55.16 | zeeflo_off | ok |
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| 20:55.29 | zeeflo_off | i live in dk though |
| 20:55.42 | zeeflo_off | but i could just tell php.ini to use another port couldnt i? |
| 20:55.46 | zeeflo_off | smtp_port |
| 20:56.02 | Player | zeeflo_off: if the smtp server has other ports configured, yes |
| 20:56.03 | jordanm | zeeflo_off: no, php is just using /usr/lib/sendmail |
| 20:56.22 | zeeflo_off | dbmaster@example.com R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 20:56.30 | zeeflo_off | oh ok |
| 20:56.35 | jordanm | zeeflo_off: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 20:57.08 | zeeflo_off | ok |
| 20:57.10 | tremon | zeeflo_off: if you didn't install a mailserver, you're probably using exim4-light |
| 20:57.36 | tremon | I'm not sure that can do anything but relaying |
| 20:57.48 | tremon | which may be enough for you, just thought I'd point if out :) |
| 20:58.06 | Player | zeeflo_off: use your ISP's SMTP Server |
| 20:58.10 | Player | they should have one .. |
| 20:58.26 | zeeflo_off | no they dont.. |
| 20:58.29 | zeeflo_off | its a local net |
| 20:58.36 | zeeflo_off | like.. |
| 20:58.39 | zeeflo_off | a college net |
| 20:58.43 | zeeflo_off | just for apartments |
| 20:58.58 | Player | oh, i see, mmm ... then use GMail or anything else? That works on 465 |
| 20:59.19 | jhutchins_wk | How does one configure the screensaver in xfce? |
| 20:59.21 | jordanm | he can do that, but he needs to configure exim4 to relay to gmail as a smarthost |
| 20:59.35 | jordanm | jhutchins_wk: xscreensaver |
| 20:59.44 | Player | if he uses the proper php script, he can send through any smtp servers |
| 20:59.53 | Player | at least it worked for me and some of our clients |
| 21:00.28 | jordanm | Player: you can do that using the pear mail lib, AFAIK, not using php's default mail functions |
| 21:00.40 | Player | jordanm: true, default mail function won't work |
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| 21:01.09 | zeeflo_off | im trying to use it with wordpress |
| 21:01.55 | zeeflo_off | crap.. |
| 21:02.04 | zeeflo_off | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:02.12 | zeeflo_off | ./var/lib/dpkg/info/exim4-config.config: 32: /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string |
| 21:02.40 | zeeflo_off | i must have done somethine wrong in the first dpkg reconfigure.. |
| 21:03.16 | jhutchins_wk | There we go, settings, settings manager, screensaver. |
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| 21:05.57 | heoa_ | How can I get /etc/ back to defaults? |
| 21:06.08 | ageis | from backup |
| 21:06.09 | ageis | :) |
| 21:06.16 | tremon | ageis: beat me to it |
| 21:06.23 | heoa_ | I messed up with /etc/.../sources.list |
| 21:06.25 | VlanZ | hey, how do i change the folder for atftpd? |
| 21:06.37 | Player | heoa_: etc/apt/sources.list (: |
| 21:06.51 | tremon | heoa_: man dpkg-deb, see --force-confdef |
| 21:07.12 | tremon | !tell heoa_ about squeeze sources.list |
| 21:07.24 | heoa_ | Player: http://pastie.org/4811358 |
| 21:07.54 | Player | heoa_: what's wrong with this? |
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| 21:09.02 | jagginess | heoa_, you shouldnt do all of /etc.. sometimes there are default samples in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/examples |
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| 21:09.21 | jagginess | heoa_, if there isnt, then apt-get --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 21:09.32 | heoa_ | Player: http://pastie.org/4811371 -- I am unable to install anything :( |
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| 21:10.38 | heoa_ | jagginess: http://pastie.org/4811377 |
| 21:10.39 | tremon | heoa_: do you read before you paste? |
| 21:11.15 | jagginess | hehe |
| 21:11.33 | tremon | heoa_: there's nothing wrong with your sources.list |
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| 21:12.14 | ne0h|nihilist | hi folks, can someone point me a simple management tool for freeradius+mysql, could be webgui or cli.. all i want is a easy way to manage the sql entries.. |
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| 21:12.43 | heoa_ | tremon: What is the err then? |
| 21:12.48 | tremon | heoa_: please paste the output of apt-cache policy and apt-cache policy couchdb |
| 21:13.05 | tremon | heoa_: the couchdb init script is either wrong or corrupted |
| 21:13.07 | jagginess | ne0h|nihilist, maybe its already inthe repo. put radius aside, there are already free tools available to manage sql graphically |
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| 21:13.17 | jagginess | ne0h|nihilist, (and from the makers of mysql) |
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| 21:14.20 | ne0h|nihilist | jagginess, all right, thanks dude |
| 21:14.24 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811405 |
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| 21:15.23 | tremon | heoa_: ok, nothing wrong there. Can you paste /etc/init.d/couchdb? |
| 21:15.25 | zeeflo_off | will someone help me with local mail server, so we can get our website flying? |
| 21:15.49 | jagginess | ne0h|nihilist, for what it's worth oracle(makers/now owners of mysql), have a cool mysql app for ipodtouch/iphone which i use (there's an option to do ssh tunneling with it) |
| 21:16.07 | jagginess | ne0h|nihilist, (and i'm betting there is for other devices) |
| 21:16.12 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811412 |
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| 21:17.13 | jagginess | zeeflo_off, wait a minute, a website doesnt share the same dns record as for an email server |
| 21:17.39 | ne0h|nihilist | jagginess, great, thanks again |
| 21:17.56 | jagginess | zeeflo_off, even if its local, depending on how strict the email server, it's best to setup your local dns server as well |
| 21:18.57 | k3nz0 | Can't run apache in another port ... : / |
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| 21:18.58 | zeeflo_off | jagginess.. i dont know anything about this subject.. |
| 21:19.10 | k3nz0 | tried to edit ports.conf to Listen 8080 |
| 21:19.18 | tremon | heoa_: hmm... I don't get it. insserv is complaining about a service boot.localfs but it doesn't seem to exist |
| 21:19.31 | tremon | heoa_: can you paste /etc/insserv.conf? |
| 21:19.44 | k3nz0 | restarted apache |
| 21:19.49 | k3nz0 | netstat says : |
| 21:19.50 | k3nz0 | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 6764/apache2 |
| 21:20.00 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811437 |
| 21:20.02 | k3nz0 | But can't, access it remotely |
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| 21:20.19 | tremon | heoa_: ah, there's your problem |
| 21:20.57 | tremon | heoa_: if you look at your couchdb init script, you will see it nicely sets Required-Start:$local_fs |
| 21:21.44 | tremon | and on my system, $local_fs is simply +mountall +mountoverflowtmp |
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| 21:22.10 | nsadmin | k3nz0, on the machine where the 8080 thing is running, telnet localhost 8080 |
| 21:22.29 | tremon | your /etc/insserv.conf, however, has a boot.localfs target, suggesting that /boot is a separate partition and you're using filesystem encryption. Is that correct? |
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| 21:23.18 | k3nz0 | nsadmin, I get response ... |
| 21:23.24 | k3nz0 | But not remotely |
| 21:23.26 | tremon | (although... boot can simply mean at boot, I'm not sure) |
| 21:23.34 | jagginess | zeeflo_off, you'll need to make a proper mx record for your mail server (even if its local-- some mail servers are stubborn and look for an mx dns record), it's best to setup dns first |
| 21:24.07 | heoa_ | tremon: You mean I need to add "+local_fs +remote_fs" to the lines: |
| 21:24.09 | heoa_ | $local_fs boot.localfs +boot.crypto |
| 21:24.09 | heoa_ | $remote_fs $local_fs +nfs +smbfs |
| 21:24.31 | nsadmin | ok, is the machine facing the internet directly? do you have an internal net with a masq gateway? is the machine with the port 8080 thing in that net? |
| 21:24.35 | tremon | heoa_: I'm not sure, I don't know enough about insserv to be sure |
| 21:24.44 | nsadmin | k3nz0 ^^ |
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| 21:24.46 | heoa_ | They are loaded in the startup, not yet understanding the syntax: $ and + |
| 21:25.15 | tremon | $ is a "virtual" target, i.e. not a real startup script but an alias or group of multiple targets |
| 21:25.26 | tremon | + is an optional member of a group |
| 21:25.55 | tremon | you can probably solve your current issue by placing a + in front of boot.localfs, but I don't know if your system will still boot with that |
| 21:26.11 | tremon | and I would at least add +mountall on that line |
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| 21:27.03 | k3nz0 | nsadmin, http://pastebin.com/q9asDMME |
| 21:27.05 | jemadux | how to copy from rxvt on other application for instance firefox |
| 21:27.09 | k3nz0 | ifconfig output |
| 21:27.23 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.com/q9asDMME |
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| 21:27.32 | nsadmin | oopw sowwy :) |
| 21:28.03 | jagginess | jemadux, theres pastebinit to post to directly online, but i prefer xclip, (eg, cat afile.txt |xclip <enter> , then use midmouse button to paste) |
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| 21:29.04 | nsadmin | k3nz0, one problem is, the only nonlocalhost address I found on that output (10.10.101.41) is a nonroutable IP |
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| 21:31.03 | tremon | heoa_: I've just checked some of my machines, and all have only +mountall +mountoverflowtmp +umountfs as their $local_fs -- even the ones with encrypted root |
| 21:31.07 | jemadux | jagginess: yeah , but for insance , i am using irssi and i want to go to url , how to make that |
| 21:31.08 | nsadmin | if this is what your ISP gives you currently, you will have to arrange for a static and routable IP to be routed to you |
| 21:31.22 | tremon | so I'm not entirely sure where your insserv file comes from |
| 21:31.47 | tremon | anyway, I think it's safe to put a + in front of boot.localfs and add +mountall |
| 21:32.21 | nsadmin | and as a bonus you can ask for control over its reverse dns |
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| 21:33.04 | jagginess | jemadux, first check the machine physically. Check the cables. |
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| 21:33.45 | tremon | k3nz0: what machine is that ifconfig output from? A local virtual machine I guess? |
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| 21:33.57 | k3nz0 | nop tremon |
| 21:34.21 | k3nz0 | A remote machine, (getting access through ssh ) |
| 21:34.25 | tremon | then the output is incomplete |
| 21:34.51 | k3nz0 | That's all I got |
| 21:35.21 | nsadmin | k3nz0, it's a remote?? |
| 21:35.35 | tremon | really? but that machine only has point-to-point links. to which address are you ssh'ing? |
| 21:35.37 | nsadmin | wow, and you get to it via ssh? |
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| 21:38.34 | tremon | to put the discussion back here: k3nz0: you're not accessing the server directly on a public IP, there is some proxy in between |
| 21:38.55 | tremon | you need to contact your hosting provider on how to enable other ports than just ssh |
| 21:39.36 | jhutchins_wk | Sounds like rackspace |
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| 21:40.22 | k3nz0 | Hmm, okey tremon :) |
| 21:40.25 | k3nz0 | Thanks. |
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| 21:41.32 | heoa_ | tremon: do I need to restart to test the new settings? I changed the local_fs |
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| 21:42.26 | tremon | heoa_: no, if this is an important machine you may want to hold off restarting until some insserv expert has had its say. It's 90% safe in my opinion, but I don't know that much about insserv's internals |
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| 21:42.38 | tremon | at least apt-get should now work normally |
| 21:43.04 | tremon | start with dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:43.05 | nsadmin | k3nz0, also... |
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| 21:44.41 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811587 --- so do I need to restart? |
| 21:44.58 | heoa_ | hold on, the command... |
| 21:45.00 | nsadmin | do you have copies of all emails your remote provider sent you (especially during the time you first ordered and established the remote)? go back to those emails and read them (if you want to be polite towards your provider, read them before contacting) |
| 21:45.22 | nsadmin | k3nz0, ^^ |
| 21:46.02 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811596 |
| 21:46.12 | heoa_ | (runned the command so I need to restart? |
| 21:46.49 | tremon | gawd what a fail-fest. heoa_, just touch /etc/rc.status |
| 21:47.05 | tremon | heoa_: and tell me, did you manually install a new version of insserv? |
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| 21:47.48 | tdm4 | Hi.. has anyone found latest Nvidia proprietary drivers have broken 3D in WINE? |
| 21:47.52 | tdm4 | I get: err:winediag:X11DRV_WineGL_InitOpenglInfo Direct rendering is disabled, most likely your OpenGL drivers haven't been installed correctly (using GL renderer "GeForce 7800 GS/AGP/SSE2", version "1.4 (2.1.2 NVIDIA 304.48)"). |
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| 21:48.03 | tdm4 | running wheezy here |
| 21:48.06 | k3nz0 | nsadmin, I'm not the owner of the machine ... I'm just helping a friend |
| 21:48.25 | heoa_ | tremon: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/insserv/insserv_1.14.0.orig.tar.gz <-- actually I went on to install this |
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| 21:48.36 | nsadmin | k3nz0, ohh ok... you may wish to ask him for the emails |
| 21:48.47 | tremon | ,v insserv |
| 21:48.48 | judd | Package: insserv on i386 -- lenny: 1.12.0-4; squeeze: 1.14.0-2; squeeze-backports: 1.14.0-2.2~bpo60+1; sid: 1.14.0-4; wheezy: 1.14.0-4 |
| 21:48.48 | k3nz0 | Sure :) |
| 21:48.48 | heoa_ | (manually but it did not fix the errors, I got the errors before this install) |
| 21:49.18 | nsadmin | k3nz0, and then maybe have him make the contact |
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| 21:49.56 | heoa_ | squeeze: 1.14.0-2; squeeze-backports: 1.14.0-2.2~bpo60+1 ? |
| 21:49.59 | tremon | heoa_: you may want to reinstall the original debian package, possibly with --force-confdef to reset insserv's configuration to its default |
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| 21:50.27 | nsadmin | heoa_, possibly a security update |
| 21:50.53 | nsadmin | oh wait, the .2 means there has been two non-maint uploads |
| 21:51.46 | heoa_ | tremon: dpkg_deb --force-confdef install insserv ? |
| 21:52.34 | tremon | heoa_: apt-get download insserv, then dpkg -i --force-confdef insserv-....deb |
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| 21:52.58 | tremon | or apt-get -o Dpkg::options="--force-confdef" --reinstall install insserv |
| 21:53.04 | tremon | (iirc) |
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| 21:54.33 | tdm4 | debian's multiarch support is a mess. How do I change from nvidia-glx-ia32 to libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386? |
| 21:55.05 | tremon | tdm4: usually, it's dpkg --add-architecture i386, then apt-get install libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
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| 21:55.20 | dondelelcaro | generally with an apt-get update; in between... |
| 21:55.23 | jhutchins_wk | tdm4: linux' multiarch support is a mess, it's not just debian. |
| 21:55.37 | tdm4 | libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 : Depends: libxvmc1:i386 but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:55.37 | tremon | thanks for that :) |
| 21:55.58 | jhutchins_wk | tdm4: ia32 i386 i686 should all be 32b. |
| 21:56.03 | tdm4 | If I install these packages it wants to get rid of the old ia32-libs.. will that work? |
| 21:56.18 | dondelelcaro | tdm4: so install it, and yes, it should be getting rid of the old ia32-libs package. |
| 21:56.21 | jhutchins_wk | tdm4: Are these all packages from debian? |
| 21:56.23 | tdm4 | it wants to remove: ia32-libs ia32-libs-dev |
| 21:56.27 | tdm4 | yes |
| 21:56.31 | tdm4 | all from debian |
| 21:56.31 | heoa_ | Suggestions for which insserv to install? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/insserv/ |
| 21:56.43 | tremon | heoa_: the one from your current distribution |
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| 21:57.43 | tdm4 | ok so I can't have libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 and libgl1-nvidia-glx:amd64 installed at the same time ? |
| 21:57.59 | tdm4 | I'm on amd64.. won't this break things? |
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| 21:58.12 | tremon | tdm4: yes, you can, that's the entire goal of multiarch |
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| 21:58.26 | tremon | tdm4: however, only if they're the exact same version |
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| 21:58.43 | jagginess | tremon, yeah thats' there in case there are 32-bit gui apps |
| 21:58.46 | nsadmin | "they" means the packages? |
| 21:58.57 | jagginess | tdm4, i mean to say to ya |
| 21:59.19 | tdm4 | so what do I need to get WINE working with 3D? |
| 21:59.33 | tdm4 | it won't let me use libgl-nvidia-glx for both amd64 nd 32bit |
| 21:59.49 | tremon | tdm4: I don't know what the status is for the nvidia libs |
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| 22:00.27 | tremon | I use the open radeon driver with 32-bit libgl1-mesa libraries, they happily coexist with their 64-bit versions |
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| 22:01.36 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811679 -- tried _2 and _4 for i386 |
| 22:01.39 | tdm4 | I also have libgl1-nvidia-alternatives-ia32 |
| 22:01.40 | heoa_ | both firing errs |
| 22:01.50 | tdm4 | this is a real mess.. any suggestions on cleaning things out ? |
| 22:02.08 | tdm4 | both i386 and amd64 versions are the same here (304.48-1) |
| 22:02.13 | heoa_ | http://pastie.org/4811686 <-- my version of debian |
| 22:02.23 | heoa_ | 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae |
| 22:02.52 | themill | heoa_: there's no such argument "install" to give to dpkg |
| 22:03.03 | tdm4 | should I get rid of anything with 'ia32' in the name? |
| 22:03.10 | tdm4 | so the multiarch stuff will work ? |
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| 22:03.43 | tremon | heoa_: I see Setting up insserv (1.14.0-2) ... and no "error processing insserv" |
| 22:04.22 | tremon | tdm4: actually, the ia32-stuff is just obsolete but it shouldn't get in the way of the multiarch libraries |
| 22:04.45 | tremon | (again, not speaking for the nvidia libs -- have not used them) |
| 22:05.28 | tremon | heoa_: so, does couchdb finally complete its configuration? dpkg --configure -a again? |
| 22:05.32 | tdm4 | says here libgl1-nvidia-glx conflicted with the ia32 version |
| 22:05.52 | tremon | ok, so they do get in each others way :) |
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| 22:06.19 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811703 |
| 22:06.37 | tdm4 | tremon: will apt-get build-dep wine give me all the proper libs it needs to build then? |
| 22:06.57 | tdm4 | because about 4-5 months ago, it broke WINE (I have to compile WINE from scratch) |
| 22:07.08 | tremon | ,v smfpd |
| 22:07.09 | judd | No package named 'smfpd' was found in i386. |
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| 22:07.28 | tremon | heoa_: where does smfpd come from? it's broken too |
| 22:07.56 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811709 |
| 22:08.01 | heoa_ | smfpd? |
| 22:08.17 | themill | heoa_: it's in your paste... |
| 22:08.27 | heoa_ | I see |
| 22:08.33 | nsadmin | sorry monkey foop police dept? |
| 22:08.34 | heoa_ | It is a new error |
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| 22:10.58 | themill | seems to be a samsung printer daemon thing |
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| 22:11.17 | tremon | themill: your google-fu is better than mine |
| 22:11.22 | nsadmin | why would it depend on rc.local? |
| 22:11.41 | themill | nsadmin: it doesn't have any lsb tags at all |
| 22:11.49 | tremon | well, at least they're no longer using chmod 777's |
| 22:11.54 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 22:11.57 | themill | dpkg: tell heoa_ about missing lsb tags |
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| 22:13.42 | nsadmin | themill, wouldn't that make it stranger that it has a dep on rc.local? |
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| 22:15.53 | themill | no, insserv ends up making up dependencies |
| 22:15.59 | alusion | Do you think having a dual monitor setup will affect a kde/gnome setup + compiz? |
| 22:16.30 | tremon | it most definitely will |
| 22:16.43 | heoa_ | themill: lsb -tags? |
| 22:16.45 | tremon | alusion: you get twice the eyecandy |
| 22:16.59 | heoa_ | http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 22:17.05 | alusion | :D awesome, would you recommend kde or gnome to go with compiz? |
| 22:17.15 | alusion | on a dual monitor / triple monitor setup [projector] |
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| 22:18.00 | tdm4 | speaking of insserv.. please tell me debian isn't going to move to that systemd atrocity |
| 22:18.02 | tremon | iirc, kde has better compatibility but I use neither one of them |
| 22:18.17 | tremon | tdm4: ok we won't tell you |
| 22:18.30 | tremon | tdm4: there hasn't been a decision yet |
| 22:18.36 | nsadmin | themill, that particular made-up dep seems illogical... does rc.local have tags on that machine? |
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| 22:19.03 | heoa_ | tremon: I am starting to be confised, there is no easy way to get defaults? |
| 22:19.06 | tremon | it's too late for wheezy anyway, and many seem to see systemd as too redhat-centric |
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| 22:19.47 | tremon | heoa_: I'd just copy the headers from another simple service (cups for example) |
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| 22:20.25 | themill | tdm4: heoa_'s problem would be a hell of a lot easier to solve with systemd than a pile of init scripts. |
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| 22:21.10 | tdm4 | bleh |
| 22:21.36 | tdm4 | pulseaudio was pretty crappy.. why are linux distros letting this Lennart guy write more stuff for them? :( |
| 22:22.04 | tremon | he has tenure ;) |
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| 22:22.20 | tdm4 | he should be banned from writing any more code |
| 22:22.22 | tdm4 | seriously |
| 22:22.33 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 22:22.44 | Lachezar | Hey all... How can I see which repository is used for every package that gets updated by apt-get upgrade? |
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| 22:23.22 | nsadmin | Lachezar, the first step would be to get a list of packages upgraded |
| 22:23.40 | tdm4 | Lachezar: try installing apt-show-versions |
| 22:24.24 | tdm4 | at any rate.. now WINE complains I don't have any 32-bit X library files installed.. this multiarch support is a right mess |
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| 22:24.55 | heoa_ | themill: http://pastie.org/4811820 <-- I got one step forward |
| 22:24.59 | Lachezar | (explanation) I have a few third party repositories, and am not sure if any of those supply packages that (might) conflict with the release ones. |
| 22:25.00 | tremon | tdm4: did you start by installing libwine-bin:i386 |
| 22:25.01 | tremon | ? |
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| 22:25.21 | tdm4 | tremon: I'm trying to compile WINE from source.. because I have to apply a patch to it |
| 22:25.39 | tdm4 | libwine-bin:i386 would be from an already precompiled WINE from debian |
| 22:25.49 | tremon | I'd still try to apply the patch on top of debian's package. Because then you get the 32-bit dependencies for free |
| 22:26.17 | themill | tdm4: have you installed libwine-bin:i386? |
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| 22:26.27 | Lachezar | Hmmm... The update manager displays the repository for all packages... I would like to see that in apt-get too... |
| 22:26.35 | tdm4 | it's not installed |
| 22:26.37 | tdm4 | but I can try |
| 22:26.49 | tremon | remembers that compiling the complete wine package is a complete nightmare |
| 22:26.50 | themill | tdm4: well you can't exactly complain that it's a mess when you've not even tried |
| 22:27.00 | tdm4 | my main problem right now is.. the nvidia drivers upgraded.. and now none of the 3D stuff works in WINE |
| 22:27.15 | themill | tdm4: partial upgrades are not supported |
| 22:27.41 | tremon | Lachezar: closest you will get is -V, I think |
| 22:27.44 | tdm4 | I can't even tell which update broke things because there are so many nvidia packages |
| 22:27.51 | themill | Lachezar: aptitude search ~U -F"%p %t" |
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| 22:28.18 | tdm4 | I don't know whether to use ia32-libs-dev or the multiarch :i386 stuff |
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| 22:28.43 | tdm4 | apt-get build-dep wine seems to not install the proper packages needed to compile it |
| 22:28.53 | Lachezar | will try again when there are new updates... |
| 22:28.54 | tremon | tdm4: have you tried apt-get build-dep libwine-bin:i386? ;) |
| 22:29.32 | tdm4 | Picking 'wine' as source package instead of 'libwine-bin:i386' ... 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 22:29.37 | tremon | lol |
| 22:29.38 | themill | why are you building it? You most definitely cannot complain that it's not working when you also have custom built stuff kicking around too |
| 22:29.44 | tremon | ok, that didn't work |
| 22:29.55 | tdm4 | it's 1 line in a .c file I have to hack to get this game to work |
| 22:29.56 | tdm4 | that's it |
| 22:30.03 | tdm4 | but I need to do it by hand |
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| 22:30.13 | nsadmin | I'm trying to make sense out of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole and what I'm finding so far, is some of the info is related to lenny (and there is not an indication of what stage lenny was at at the time of its writing)... someone willing to go over it as it applies to squeeze and/or wheezy? |
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| 22:30.48 | tdm4 | I'd go back to squeeze if it wasn't so ancient :( |
| 22:31.00 | tdm4 | but so much has moved on since then |
| 22:31.05 | tremon | nsadmin: which part? I've used that page in January this year and it was quite helpful |
| 22:31.13 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811860 I lost in my thinking, I fixed the odd samsung -LSB-prob but still getting the Insserv -prob |
| 22:31.34 | tremon | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.37 | BalthaTczar | Someone familiar with stuttering mp4 playback ? i've installed VLC but there's no difference ... |
| 22:31.40 | tremon | heoa_: touch /etc/rc.status |
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| 22:32.33 | nsadmin | tremon, "As explained above, you need d-i from sid (rc2 won't work), so you need a sid build environment" (from that page), for one reference. is it still true? |
| 22:32.35 | tremon | BalthaTczar: try a different video output module (vo, x11, gl, etc) |
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| 22:33.29 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811875 |
| 22:33.35 | tremon | nsadmin: no, I didn't need to build anything. fafaik all installer images contain the network console by default now |
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| 22:34.06 | tremon | nsadmin: I only needed the preseed part (well, and a dhcp/tftp/apt server) |
| 22:34.51 | tremon | heoa_: paste /lib/lsb/init-functions |
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| 22:35.25 | nsadmin | tremon, does that mean you had to alter the image (by placing a preseed file there)? |
| 22:35.40 | BalthaTczar | tremon, how do i do that ? |
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| 22:36.01 | heoa_ | tremon: http://pastie.org/4811891 |
| 22:36.10 | tdm4 | so it seems WINE refuses to finish ./configure if ia32-libs-dev isn't installed.. so compiling WINE on multiarch debian without ia32-libs* is a total failure here. |
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| 22:36.33 | tremon | nsadmin: no, because I used pxeboot I could just add a preseed file on the kernel command line and have it download it over the network |
| 22:36.42 | BalthaTczar | tremon, i found this post on the subject http://forums.justlinux.com/archive/index.php/t-153129.html |
| 22:36.45 | tremon | probably you still need that part if you don't have a pxeboot environment |
| 22:37.04 | BalthaTczar | tremon, but i wonder if its really that much trouble to get right |
| 22:37.24 | themill | tdm4: debian's wine packages do not need any ia32 packages at all. |
| 22:37.28 | tremon | BalthaTczar: are you on debian lenny? |
| 22:37.35 | nsadmin | well if I knew all that, I wouldn't have to crawl around and stuff :) |
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| 22:38.01 | tdm4 | themill: are debian's wine packages compiled as using wine64 (WOW64)? |
| 22:38.15 | themill | no, they're i386 packages |
| 22:38.48 | tdm4 | hmmm |
| 22:39.12 | tremon | heoa_: that's odd, mine start with # /lib/lsb/init-functions for Debian -*- shell-script -*- |
| 22:39.21 | BalthaTczar | tremon, i installed the latest iso available .. about 2 weeks ago, so i don't think so |
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| 22:39.30 | sidewalk | which is the best vnc server for use in debian? |
| 22:39.32 | tremon | heoa_: reinstall lsb-base from a debian source, please |
| 22:39.32 | BalthaTczar | tremon, but the problems are identical # |
| 22:40.35 | Rotgut | tdm4: the easiest way is probably to install 32bit debian on a virtual machine and compile wine there. At leas i wasn't able to install all the necesary i386 dev libs on my amd64 without it wanting to uninstall pretty much everything. |
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| 22:41.46 | tdm4 | Rotgut: yeah, but then aptitude's handling of multiarch support is fscked |
| 22:41.51 | tremon | BalthaTczar: well, you can always try. I'm not familiar with vnc, but I expect there's a configuration setting somewhere to select the video output method. Just try them and see which works best |
| 22:43.37 | oskar- | hi, is it possible to use a dhcp interface in /etc/network/interfaces and prevent at the same time, that the default route is replaced? |
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| 22:44.12 | nsadmin | tremon, let's see, so you didn't have to alter the image at all... where is this kernel command line located? in the syslinux.conf? would that file be provided over tftp? |
| 22:44.30 | tremon | nsadmin: I don't think you need to build anything yourself. Maybe you can combine that page with dpkg's usb install factoid and gather enough information to include both the original files and your preseed file |
| 22:45.04 | tremon | yes, in netboot case, the kernel command line is provided in pxelinux.cfg, so it would be in syslinux in the normal case |
| 22:45.34 | heoa_ | tremon: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lsb/lsb_3.2-23.2squeeze1.tar.gz -- sudo ./lsbinstall -t profile service inet <--- it requires some "type" and then it requires some package, installing right pkg? |
| 22:46.04 | nsadmin | and the normal case (say, cd boot) those files would be on the cd? |
| 22:46.06 | themill | heoa_: why are you installing from source tarballs rather than .debs? |
| 22:46.15 | tremon | heoa_: please read the debian manual first. Debian has dpkg and apt-get |
| 22:46.16 | heoa_ | I cannot find deb -files |
| 22:46.36 | tremon | heoa_: apt-cache search lsb-base ? |
| 22:47.10 | tdm4 | grr |
| 22:47.15 | tremon | nsadmin: in the normal case, the preseed.cfg (and syslinux.cfg I presume) would be in the / of the cd |
| 22:47.19 | themill | heoa_: they're even in the same directory (but you would "aptitude reinstall lsb-base" |
| 22:47.20 | tdm4 | no wonder... E: Package 'libgl1-nvidia-glx-i386' has no installation candidate |
| 22:47.24 | tdm4 | that's why it's broken to hell |
| 22:48.07 | Rotgut | tdm4: libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 |
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| 22:48.26 | tremon | nsadmin: or / of usb stick, of course |
| 22:48.56 | nsadmin | ok, and in that case you would unpack an image, place the files in its root, build a new image and write it to a cd? |
| 22:49.06 | nsadmin | (right, or stick) |
| 22:49.10 | tdm4 | Rotgut: when I try installing that it wants to remove libgl1-nvidia-glx libgl1-nvidia-glx-ia32 libxvmc1 nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-ia32 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 22:49.19 | tdm4 | won't that break the entire graphics subsystem? |
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| 22:49.30 | tremon | nsadmin: yes, but for cd you need to take care to also extract the cd boot image, not just the files |
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| 22:50.18 | Rotgut | tdm4: it seems that nvidia drivers in wheezy are broken or at least 32bit support on amd64 isn't working |
| 22:50.23 | tremon | (fun fact: the El Torito iso boot specification simply reserves an area on the disc for emulating a 2MB floppy-disk) |
| 22:50.28 | tdm4 | Rotgut: argh |
| 22:50.30 | tdm4 | ok thanks |
| 22:50.32 | heoa_ | themill: You are amazing, thank you, sorry stupid questions -- got nethack installed :D |
| 22:50.35 | tdm4 | guess I'll have to wait til it's fixed |
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| 22:51.47 | nsadmin | for the tftp case, you would do what, place the image and place the pxeboot and preseed files in the same dir? so you'd have image preseedfile pxebootfile all in the dir served by tftp? |
| 22:52.13 | tremon | 1 sec, let me have a look ;) |
| 22:52.19 | tdm4 | anyone know how I'd add my own patch to debian src package? |
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| 22:52.33 | tremon | tdm4: there's a debian/patches dir |
| 22:52.35 | nsadmin | I'm looking to have the page updated |
| 22:53.10 | tdm4 | tremon: there isn't one in the wine-1.4.1-2 dir |
| 22:53.22 | tdm4 | I just did apt-get source wine and no patches at all |
| 22:54.08 | tremon | tdm4: but there is a debian/ dir? then you can create the patches/ dir yourself, but I'm not sure if the patches are automatically picked up |
| 22:54.31 | tremon | maybe someone else here knows, otherwise the answer will be on #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 22:55.21 | tremon | nsadmin: I'll paste my custom pxelinux.cfg |
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| 22:56.01 | themill | tdm4: it looks like a 1.0 source format -- just make the change directly in the source code and build |
| 22:56.14 | tdm4 | themill: cool thanks.. will do :) |
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| 22:57.24 | tdm4 | I'm getting: You asked that all arch in(dep) packages be built, but there are none of that type. |
| 22:57.29 | tdm4 | and it just stops |
| 22:57.45 | tdm4 | that's just running dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 22:58.38 | tdm4 | seems to only build a wine64-bin.. very odd |
| 22:59.05 | themill | wine is an i386-only package so it has to be built on i386 |
| 22:59.12 | tremon | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/193381/ |
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| 22:59.40 | tdm4 | I was able to cross-compile to i386 before |
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| 23:02.10 | tremon | nsadmin: you only need the locale= hostname= and domain= variables for complete remote installation, because the installer will ask those questions before loading the preseed file |
| 23:02.42 | tremon | otherwise you still need to go to the machine and press enter, before continuing your installation over ssh ;) |
| 23:04.31 | tdm4 | found my exact problem: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=686033 |
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| 23:09.15 | tdm4 | ah well thanks guys.. guess this is just broken til they fix it . *headdesk* |
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| 23:10.39 | tremon | tdm4: as an aside, you are aware that you are running a pre-production release and that multiarch-support has more or less a "technology preview" status? |
| 23:10.49 | tdm4 | yeah I know |
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| 23:11.05 | tdm4 | I can't exactly go back to non-multiarch once it's been enabled though |
| 23:11.08 | tremon | good. Just checkin' :) |
| 23:11.20 | themill | and that non-free drivers are the lowest priority |
| 23:11.45 | tdm4 | yeah I hate nvidia too.. I'd rather have an ATI in this machine |
| 23:11.59 | tdm4 | but it's an old machine and I'm not going to buy any nvidia crap ever again :D |
| 23:12.39 | nevyn | so use nouveau |
| 23:12.56 | tdm4 | I need 3D support |
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| 23:18.42 | asturel | since there is no /proc/config.gz can anyone confirm is the default debian supports IOMMU ? |
| 23:19.22 | asturel | kernel* |
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| 23:19.34 | tremon | ,kconfig iommu |
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| 23:19.36 | judd | Searching for 'iommu' in squeeze kernel config gives IOMMU_API=y. |
| 23:19.49 | asturel | o.O |
| 23:19.58 | asturel | ,kconfig CONFIG_PCI_STUB |
| 23:19.59 | judd | Searching for 'CONFIG_PCI_STUB' in squeeze kernel config gives PCI_STUB=m. |
| 23:20.04 | asturel | ,kconfig CONFIG_DMAR |
| 23:20.05 | judd | Searching for 'CONFIG_DMAR' in squeeze kernel config gives DMAR=y DMAR_FLOPPY_WA=y. |
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| 23:20.28 | tremon | asturel: there also is /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 23:20.35 | maxh2 | rebooted after 6 months and i am getting cannot find lvm and loads into console. i dont see it in dev mapper, but live disk shows it existing, maybe an update caused this? Any suggestions on what i can do |
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| 23:20.46 | asturel | thanks |
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| 23:21.45 | tremon | maxh2: usually, either there is no initramfs or the initramfs did not include the lvm modules |
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| 23:22.55 | tremon | maxh2: if you're now in the live environment, mount it, mount --bind /dev, /proc and /sys into it and chroot into it |
| 23:22.56 | maxh2 | what are my options on figuring this out? |
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| 23:23.52 | tremon | (oh, you also want to mount /boot of course) |
| 23:24.34 | tremon | once you're there, you can use ls /boot to see what's there, lsinitramfs to see what's in the initramfs, and update-initramfs to regenerate it |
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| 23:25.40 | Ptj | is there anybody who could help me with gcc flags? :) |
| 23:26.44 | dondelelcaro | Ptj: what's your question about them? |
| 23:26.44 | tremon | that's the short version, I'll soon be offline so I hope it's useful to you |
| 23:27.56 | maxh2 | ill try that and let you know what comes out of it |
| 23:28.18 | Ptj | i organized optimization flags in one file http://pastebin.com/xjkKrRPE need to know which one can change result (make it unstable) of program |
| 23:28.25 | tremon | oh... btw "mount it" == mount your root filesystem |
| 23:28.36 | tremon | good luck! |
| 23:29.08 | Ptj | i want to make acouvea conf file, conisdering they are all obsolate |
| 23:29.50 | Ptj | and i am not interesting in those who could slow program acouvea will test it, i just need to get out unsafe |
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| 23:30.34 | maxh2 | yeah id imagine it being /dev/mapper/lang-root correct |
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| 23:33.27 | Ptj | i consider -ffinite-math-only unsafe and -fomit-frame-pointer as a safe one |
| 23:33.49 | Ptj | but i need help, googling didnt get me far away |
| 23:34.30 | themill | Ptj: you'd do better in #gcc, ##workingset or #gentoo.... |
| 23:35.01 | Ptj | gcc is closed on |
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| 23:36.32 | themill | Ptj: you need to be registered; "/msg nickserv help register" and ask in #freenode if you need help with that |
| 23:37.25 | Ptj | ok |
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| 23:51.04 | maxh2 | i dont see an initramfs in /boot i see an image in / when i go to update it, it says it doesnt exist when i go to create it, it says modules.dep missing |
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| 23:52.33 | Brigo | maxh2: You can create modules.dep with depmod command |
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| 23:55.57 | maxh2 | depmod -a? |
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| 23:56.23 | psyclopolis | is there any way I can shrink the partition I am currently running debian on from debian? |
| 23:57.07 | maxh2 | i have no idea what im doing |
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| 23:58.26 | somiaj | psyclopolis: any reason why you cannot boot up off a livecd with tools to do that? |
| 23:58.35 | Brigo | maxh2: no problem, it dont hurt ;-) |
| 23:59.11 | maxh2 | lol |
| 23:59.12 | somiaj | psyclopolis: I can't think of any safeway to modify the root partition/filesystem. |
| 23:59.18 | maxh2 | how do i use this command |
| 23:59.34 | somiaj | psyclopolis: while you are running off of it. |
| 23:59.36 | maxh2 | depmod -a didnt do crap still says the module is missing |
| 23:59.52 | Brigo | maxh2: what module? |