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| 00:00.18 | psyclopolis | somiaj: no reason - just curious |
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| 00:01.28 | somiaj | psyclopolis: you can remount the root partition read only, which is useful for some things. But I don't think you can resize a mounted filesystem. |
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| 00:02.56 | maxh2 | sorry typing to fast. computer wont boot. lvm claims to be missing which when at that terminal its missing from /dev/mapper i loaded a live disk and its there and im loaded into the root shell of my drive. tried to lsinitfs and i cant find it, i try and update-initramfs and it sats missing modules.dep im not sure where to go from here. |
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| 00:05.28 | nsadmin | what release? |
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| 00:06.28 | maxh2 | squeeze 6.0.5 64 |
| 00:06.36 | maxh2 | 2.6.39 kernel |
| 00:06.43 | maxh2 | i think |
| 00:06.45 | nsadmin | so a different kernel? |
| 00:07.03 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 00:07.07 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 00:07.08 | mmnicolas | .32 |
| 00:07.08 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.29-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
| 00:07.24 | maxh2 | let me check real quick |
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| 00:07.33 | Brigo | maxh2: dont you have a initrd into /boot ? |
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| 00:09.01 | nsadmin | can he do rescue, and then mount everything? |
| 00:09.16 | maxh2 | 2.6.39bpo which has been working great for the past 6 months all ive done since then was updates |
| 00:10.04 | nsadmin | is that the exact text of the version? |
| 00:11.15 | maxh2 | yes ive used the rescue from the cd and had it load the shell for my /dev/mapper-root and home to see if everything is there which it is |
| 00:11.47 | maxh2 | and Brigo do you mean the initrd file in boot? i just have a grub folder |
| 00:12.06 | nsadmin | ok, then you didn't install that kernel from a .deb |
| 00:12.24 | maxh2 | i installed it throught apt |
| 00:12.39 | nsadmin | did you intend at the beginning that /boot would live in a separate partition? |
| 00:12.46 | Brigo | maxh2: yes i was asking for it. |
| 00:13.11 | maxh2 | and its been running fine for a long while and i have rebooted many times with no problems, im thinking its from an update |
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| 00:13.25 | maxh2 | nsadmin, i just had it do the auto setup lvm2 |
| 00:13.38 | nsadmin | encrypted? |
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| 00:14.20 | maxh2 | and i believe i actually may have downloaded a backports cd because it was the only one that would even work with my lsi 9750-8i controller |
| 00:14.38 | nsadmin | what is that? |
| 00:14.41 | maxh2 | and Bringo i dont have that file in /boot |
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| 00:14.47 | maxh2 | its a raid controller |
| 00:14.52 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 00:14.55 | Brigo | maxh2: do you have a /boot line on your /etc/fstab ? |
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| 00:15.42 | nsadmin | are the lvm pvs on the raid? |
| 00:16.05 | nsadmin | do you boot from grub? |
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| 00:16.24 | nsadmin | any disks outside of your raid? |
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| 00:17.42 | maxh2 | i boot from grub. not sure what pvs is |
| 00:18.07 | nsadmin | need a factoid that points at an lvm primer |
| 00:18.19 | nsadmin | !lvm |
| 00:18.19 | dpkg | [lvm] the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:18.30 | maxh2 | fstab shows /deb/mapper/lang-root / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 00:19.03 | nsadmin | how many /dev/mapper lines are there? |
| 00:19.42 | maxh2 | then i see a uuid=myuuidhere /boot ext2 defaults 0 2 |
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| 00:20.04 | nsadmin | so you do have a separate /boot |
| 00:20.08 | maxh2 | i see root home and swap1 |
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| 00:20.13 | jsjc1 | What will be the easiest way |
| 00:20.21 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 00:20.34 | jsjc1 | to setup a user that is locked via sftp/ssh to its own home? |
| 00:20.59 | jsjc1 | I have tried several things and no luck.. |
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| 00:22.02 | maxh2 | nsadmin, i image i should try and mount boot? |
| 00:22.31 | nsadmin | maxh2, where is your / mounted right now? is this a rescue? |
| 00:22.32 | mxprm_ | Hi, somebody you have problems with microphono in debian wheezy?, I see the alsamixer and pulse audio, but nothing |
| 00:22.52 | maxh2 | i ran the rescue and loaded terminal on /dev/mapper/lang-root |
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| 00:23.09 | nsadmin | ok, if you type mount |
| 00:23.19 | chronik-rootz | mxprm_: Add the controls yourself |
| 00:23.23 | nsadmin | do you see /dev/mapper/lang-root in the output? |
| 00:23.59 | mxprm_ | chronik-rootz: ok, I search, very thank |
| 00:24.09 | maxh2 | yes i do |
| 00:24.25 | chronik-rootz | mxprm_: Download the guialsa its easier |
| 00:24.28 | chronik-rootz | afk a min |
| 00:24.48 | mxprm_ | chronik-rootz: genial :) |
| 00:24.48 | nsadmin | do you see where that is mounted? (put a space before the /something so it gets into irc as a posting) |
| 00:25.29 | maxh2 | says its mounted on / |
| 00:25.45 | nsadmin | try typing: mount -a |
| 00:26.09 | maxh2 | no output using that command |
| 00:26.13 | nsadmin | then run mount again (no args) |
| 00:26.22 | nsadmin | see if it looks different/bigger |
| 00:26.42 | mxprm_ | nsadmin: you see the commads mount --help |
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| 00:27.00 | nsadmin | don't need that at this moment :) |
| 00:27.09 | mxprm_ | ok :D |
| 00:27.43 | nsadmin | mxprm_, right now the goal is to get all partitions mounted |
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| 00:28.10 | maxh2 | it added /dev/sdb2 /boot ext2 |
| 00:28.28 | nsadmin | ok, ls /boot |
| 00:28.34 | nsadmin | see if your kernels are there |
| 00:28.52 | maxh2 | yes |
| 00:29.02 | nsadmin | do you also have mounts for /proc, /sys, /dev? |
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| 00:29.21 | maxh2 | i didnt see it in there but ill ls \ |
| 00:29.42 | maxh2 | yup |
| 00:29.48 | nsadmin | well, look at output of mount |
| 00:29.52 | maxh2 | it shows crap lol |
| 00:30.07 | maxh2 | i ran is /proc /sys/ and dev and i see stuff |
| 00:30.11 | maxh2 | ls |
| 00:30.16 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:30.29 | nsadmin | so that sounds like they are present |
| 00:30.44 | nsadmin | for some odd reason, your /boot doesn't mount right away |
| 00:31.17 | nsadmin | and this is the probable reason why it's failing |
| 00:31.33 | nsadmin | does this machine have net at themoment? |
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| 00:31.49 | maxh2 | yes |
| 00:31.56 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:32.02 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r? |
| 00:32.27 | maxh2 | i think a while back i ran into something similar to this and i had to add something in grub to slow it down so it had time to find the lvm, |
| 00:32.39 | nsadmin | btw, it seems like your raid is going (if the / partition is in the raid) |
| 00:32.54 | maxh2 | says 2.6.32-5amd64 |
| 00:33.01 | maxh2 | for this live disk |
| 00:33.23 | nsadmin | oh ok... so this kernel seems to have drivers for your raid |
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| 00:33.55 | maxh2 | the other one did also. ive been running this new kernel the entire time. |
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| 00:34.29 | maxh2 | installed off some backports iso. and i think the reason i did it was because this controller but i dont remember exactly |
| 00:35.03 | nsadmin | ok... we can try the experiment of installing the 3.2.x backport kernel |
| 00:35.09 | nsadmin | want to do that? |
| 00:35.18 | maxh2 | sure |
| 00:35.20 | maxh2 | cant hurt |
| 00:35.45 | nsadmin | that's true, and not removing other kernels means they'll stay in your grub menu |
| 00:36.01 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 00:36.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.29-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-45); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 00:36.19 | nsadmin | you run amd64? |
| 00:36.24 | maxh2 | correct |
| 00:37.05 | nsadmin | ok, so you want... 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 00:37.22 | nsadmin | , kernels --arch=amd64 |
| 00:37.23 | judd | (kernels [--release <squeeze>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 00:38.00 | maxh2 | ill add the backports into my sources and download it |
| 00:38.23 | nsadmin | themill... help :) |
| 00:39.03 | nsadmin | themill, I want to see the kernels where arch is amd64 |
| 00:40.20 | JoeHazzers | would anyone understand what i mean if i want ipsec clients to be able to connect to a machine and get an IP address on a virtual interface? |
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| 00:40.56 | mmnicolas | Anyone having issue with Iceweasel randomly crashing ? I've been having this issue for ages with every versions available from mozilla.debian.net, even -esr, never been able to find a bug report about it, the only occurence where it *never* crashes is when I run it after strace .. |
| 00:41.15 | mmnicolas | Usually when typing text in a form |
| 00:41.38 | mmnicolas | it seg faults |
| 00:41.53 | nsadmin | you want the package linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 maxh2 |
| 00:42.42 | maxh2 | its installing |
| 00:43.14 | maxh2 | k rebooting, ill let you know |
| 00:43.18 | nsadmin | maxh2, so after this, boot, then look at the grub menu |
| 00:43.27 | nsadmin | make sure all your kernels are there |
| 00:45.47 | maxh2 | well i think i have good news, all kernels are there and it said my lang-root has not been checked in 327 days and its doing it so i think we are in business |
| 00:46.07 | maxh2 | nevermind i lied |
| 00:46.19 | maxh2 | it did check then it said something dailed and rebooted ill let you know what it says |
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| 00:48.30 | gnarface | mmnicolas: i recommend unloading all your plugins/themes, then add them back one at a time until you find the thing causing it |
| 00:49.38 | gnarface | mmnicolas: also consider backing up then deleting your user's ~/.mozilla |
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| 00:50.58 | gnarface | mmnicolas: nothing else does this, right? just icweasel? cause you could have bad ram... |
| 00:51.02 | mmnicolas | gnarface: yea, I tried that at every update out of despair with no success |
| 00:51.20 | maxh2 | this is awesome now its checking lang-home which is 6tb 10% done. i cant skip this can i? |
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| 00:51.52 | maxh2 | nm i did |
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| 00:52.16 | gnarface | maxh2: fsck on boot of the filesystem... you can't really know whether it was safe to skip it or not until you complete one |
| 00:52.22 | mmnicolas | gnarface: ...I do actually have a script that moves my whole .mozilla to /dev/shm on login and symlink to it, gonna memtest that 8gb right away, I hope you're wrong :) |
| 00:52.35 | gnarface | maxh2: ... or your harddrive barfs |
| 00:52.43 | nsadmin | maxh2, things seem to be working differently tho |
| 00:53.19 | maxh2 | its booted up now i did see some error pass by that i have to check is that in /etc/default/bootlogd or somwehere else? |
| 00:53.20 | nsadmin | it does look like your raid is working |
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| 00:53.33 | maxh2 | yes it is |
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| 00:53.50 | nsadmin | that sounds good |
| 00:53.53 | gnarface | mmnicolas: on wheezy, mixing distros, by any chance? |
| 00:54.29 | gnarface | mmnicolas: i also wonder if some subtle mismatch between some core libraries might also be the cause |
| 00:54.33 | mmnicolas | gnarface: Squeeze amd64 with backports, installed after 6.0.2 |
| 00:55.04 | gnarface | mmnicolas: what have you backported? |
| 00:55.22 | mmnicolas | kernel, nvidia driver and Xorg |
| 00:55.25 | maxh2 | nsadmin, i appreciate all your help |
| 00:55.26 | mmnicolas | and iceweasel |
| 00:55.36 | maxh2 | where is the boot log hidden so i can see what failed |
| 00:55.57 | gnarface | mmnicolas: oh no! |
| 00:56.08 | gnarface | mmnicolas: dear god.... |
| 00:56.24 | mmnicolas | I did the exact same setup with my mom and my brother, with similar hardware, I must have backported some unfriendly stuff because they don't have this issue |
| 00:56.43 | mmnicolas | or some part of my ram is bad |
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| 00:57.11 | mmnicolas | gnarface: something wrong with backporting xorg ? If I remember well I had to in order to backport the nvidia driver |
| 00:57.34 | gnarface | mmnicolas: make sure you do the extended texts (#6, 7, 8, 9?) in memtest to check for subtle ram failures |
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| 00:57.45 | gnarface | mmnicolas: that will take a while though |
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| 00:58.10 | nsadmin | maxh2, welcome... to review, you did the rescue boot, then we both made sure everything was mounted -- a mount -a mounted /boot, and we made sure /proc, /sys and /dev were mounted, which made it possible for linux-image package installs to know how to create the initrd, then you booted |
| 00:58.41 | nsadmin | err... then you installed the 3.2.x kernel, then you booted |
| 00:58.51 | maxh2 | correct |
| 00:59.09 | gnarface | mmnicolas: nothing is wrong in principle, it just seems like a troubling combination with that driver (which isn't known for following the rules or doing things safely and i wouldn't expect it to backport at all... i'm surprised) |
| 00:59.32 | gnarface | mmnicolas: did you also backport the kernel? |
| 00:59.40 | mmnicolas | yes |
| 00:59.45 | nsadmin | the most important thing for the kernel install, was having those special mounts... then it knew what to put into the initrd so it could mount / |
| 01:00.09 | nsadmin | could you just check to see if /boot is mounted? |
| 01:00.20 | gnarface | mmnicolas: so is it fair to say you've backported dozens of packages from sid? |
| 01:00.40 | mmnicolas | well, from the official backports only |
| 01:00.51 | mmnicolas | a dozen or so yes |
| 01:00.52 | gnarface | oh, nothing built yourself? |
| 01:00.59 | nsadmin | if it is... I will have to suggest to you to reboot and let it check those partitions... maybe have dinner while it's doing that :) |
| 01:01.24 | nsadmin | if it successfully mounted /boot, we're done |
| 01:01.30 | maxh2 | already on that :) |
| 01:01.36 | mmnicolas | gnarface: no, did everything the easy way |
| 01:01.42 | maxh2 | i did a touch /forcefsck and rebooted |
| 01:02.11 | maxh2 | and its been going at it |
| 01:02.12 | mmnicolas | gnarface: that's why I'm surprised to be the only one having this issue, this usually means that I am the issue |
| 01:02.27 | nsadmin | oh great... 6 t, I thought I was big with expanding /home 10g at a time |
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| 01:03.15 | maxh2 | so basically making sure that /proc, /sys, /dev is mounted and then its safe to do a kernel upgrade if needed for some reasons such as this |
| 01:03.26 | maxh2 | nsadmin, you are awesome |
| 01:04.10 | nsadmin | yeah, the kernel package install needs that info to know what to put in the initrd |
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| 01:04.41 | gnarface | mmnicolas: i've had more than one nvidia card's ram fail in ways that manifested *very* strangely too. but not all cards are equally supported by any given nvidia driver version either. your mom and your brother have different hardware, no? |
| 01:04.53 | aca20031 | Why am I getting "unable to connect to debian.lcs.mit.edu" from apt-get update, but ping works fine and I can go there in my browser? Is there something i should check? |
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| 01:05.00 | nsadmin | there is a script for building a kernel package, it builds packages that later create the initrd |
| 01:06.00 | mmnicolas | gnarface: all nvidia/intel but different chipsets yes |
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| 01:06.45 | somiaj | aca20031: you could put a copy of your sources.list, and the output of the errors you get from apt-get update on pastebin.net |
| 01:06.57 | aca20031 | certainly |
| 01:07.02 | somiaj | aca20031: you could also try another mirror, and see if it is an issue with that mirror. |
| 01:07.12 | aca20031 | ive tried 3, i think its my host being squirly, but i cant be sure |
| 01:07.16 | somiaj | aca20031: and use paste.debian.net (less adds) |
| 01:07.19 | maxh2 | i appreciate you help, for some reason i didnt think about upgrading the kernel |
| 01:07.25 | aca20031 | i just setup the server and sources.list intially had only my HOSTS repos. |
| 01:07.42 | somiaj | aca20031: have you tried ftp and http mirrors? |
| 01:07.43 | nsadmin | maxh2, so we never did find out why your separate /boot mount didn't happen... maybe we don't need to know |
| 01:07.48 | aca20031 | yes |
| 01:08.12 | somiaj | well then provide us with the requested info. |
| 01:08.16 | aca20031 | working on it :) |
| 01:08.56 | nsadmin | anyway, need to get down the road... did it get past the fsck yet? |
| 01:09.33 | maxh2 | nsadmin, i didnt think about it but when i first got this raid card i tried installing ubuntu and it wouldnt detect it at all, so i tried debian which didnt work so i ran the 2.6.39.bpo which found it and installed it but wouldnt boot, at the time i googled it and people were saying that something doesnt mount fast enough so i ended up having t0 add something in grub that slowed it down somehow |
| 01:09.48 | maxh2 | its at 17% |
| 01:09.50 | aca20031 | somiaj and others: http://paste.debian.net/193399/ |
| 01:10.08 | nsadmin | just gotta wait it out... |
| 01:10.22 | nsadmin | ok, I'm out... appt in an hour :) |
| 01:10.43 | maxh2 | thanks again |
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| 01:11.18 | nsadmin | you probably still have the choice to run ubuntu if you want... it strongly looks like a hardware-support-by-kernel issue |
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| 01:11.35 | nsadmin | if this is a server, you might want to stick with debian |
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| 01:12.08 | maxh2 | i was a huge fan of ubuntu when it first came out then they started adding all kinds of crap and as a server wasnt that great, so i went to the real thing and love it |
| 01:12.42 | maxh2 | i host 9 of my companies websites on this guy |
| 01:12.49 | maxh2 | well company i work for |
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| 01:14.27 | somiaj | aca20031: some thigns I notice. First I dno't see debian.server4you.net as a main debian mirror, so I would comment those out for the time being. And you should be using security.debian.org for your security updates (again don't know anything about that server4you.net repo you are using). Again I suggest removing those for testing reasons. |
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| 01:15.09 | somiaj | aca20031: next the errors Unable to connect to debian.server4you.net:http: -- it is like something is mangling your request and adding an :http: to te end of your servers. |
| 01:15.41 | aca20031 | somiaj that server4you crap is my hosting provider. im suspecting they're blocking other things but im not sure |
| 01:15.43 | somiaj | I have no clue what could be mangling your requests |
| 01:16.15 | aca20031 | thought the :http: thing was just how it reported the protocol :( |
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| 01:16.52 | somiaj | I don't think so, I think that is the actual server it is trying to connect to |
| 01:17.42 | aca20031 | how annoying...no ideas then? |
| 01:18.19 | somiaj | well that should be the port, and the first few that give timeouts actually say server.foo:80 which I would more expect. |
| 01:19.01 | aca20031 | no idea why im getting timeouts, i can ping the server but i cant visit it in links or anything |
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| 01:19.14 | somiaj | have you have tried ftp://ftp.us.debian.org? as opposed to an http request. |
| 01:19.20 | aca20031 | was the first one i tried |
| 01:19.31 | somiaj | I don't see what could be wrong. |
| 01:20.01 | somiaj | does it work fine if you remove all the other sources and only use their mirror? |
| 01:20.14 | somiaj | because if that doesn't I'd open up a support ticket with them |
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| 01:21.22 | aca20031 | hmm |
| 01:21.34 | aca20031 | with only the ftp mirror i get |
| 01:21.53 | aca20031 | http://paste.debian.net/193400/ |
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| 01:24.11 | blackshirt | .gnome-shell |
| 01:24.31 | blackshirt | , gnome-shell |
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| 01:25.56 | blackshirt | !gnome-shell |
| 01:25.56 | dpkg | The GNOME Shell is the core user interface for the <GNOME> desktop as of version 3, replacing GNOME Panel. http://wiki.debian.org/GnomeShell http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/FAQ http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org. See also <mutter>. |
| 01:26.12 | somiaj | aca20031: what is the output of 'apt-cache policy apt-get' |
| 01:26.30 | aca20031 | N: Unable to locate package apt-get |
| 01:26.33 | somiaj | aca20031: sorry just apt-cache policy apt |
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| 01:26.52 | aca20031 | output: http://paste.debian.net/193401/ |
| 01:27.02 | aca20031 | uhh |
| 01:27.02 | somiaj | aca20031: just making sure you don't have some unstandard apt installed |
| 01:27.08 | aca20031 | i switched it back to server4you for testing, let me switch again |
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| 01:27.46 | aca20031 | this now: http://paste.debian.net/193402/ |
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| 01:28.33 | somiaj | so apperentally the server4you sources work just fine but other sources don't? |
| 01:28.48 | aca20031 | server4you did earlier, everything was workign fine, i didnt check my sources |
| 01:29.01 | aca20031 | then i started getting a timeout from server4you so i checked the sources, noticed that was all tehre was, tried adding debian mirrors |
| 01:29.08 | aca20031 | and here i am, getting a timeout on everything |
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| 01:31.46 | somiaj | maybe something wonky is going on with their network |
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| 01:31.52 | somiaj | I would revert everythign back to their servers |
| 01:32.06 | crtxc | hi. What is the best way to manage bluetooth on debian squeeze? |
| 01:32.27 | somiaj | get the output from apt-get update, and then send it them as a support ticket. I cannot think of anything, maybe someone else will see if I was mising anything, but your sources.list look just fine |
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| 01:35.05 | somiaj | crtxc: have you started looking though descriptions of packages from 'apt-cache search bluetooth' |
| 01:35.44 | aca20031 | bah, cant do anything :( |
| 01:37.32 | crtxc | yes. I was wondering if there was a way to do it without an app. Manually. I just want to turn it off for the time being. |
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| 01:37.39 | crtxc | somiaj:^^ |
| 01:38.55 | somiaj | I'm sure there are some cli tools, but no clue about them (haven't used bluetooth) |
| 01:38.57 | crtxc | Bluez seems to be the app I think unless there is another alternative. |
| 01:39.31 | crtxc | ty somiaj. I just want to turn it off. I just noticed it was on. Must be on by default. |
| 01:40.12 | crtxc | I saw pan0 in firestarter. googled it and found it related to bluetooth? |
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| 01:41.10 | somiaj | ahh, figure out the bluetooth module, modprobe -r module_name |
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| 01:41.25 | somiaj | set up a blacklist in modprobe.conf.d ( or what ever the directory is actually called ) |
| 01:41.29 | crtxc | ty somiaj |
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| 01:45.13 | Hatori | !compiz |
| 01:45.14 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:47.34 | Hatori | is compiz removed from testing? |
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| 01:50.29 | dax | It's not currently in wheezy, correct. |
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| 01:51.09 | Hatori | dax, why? There are some crucial reasons? |
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| 01:51.59 | dax | http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/compiz/news/20120514T163914Z.html |
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| 01:52.47 | dax | and then again a month later http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/compiz/news/20120619T163914Z.html |
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| 01:53.07 | Hatori | dax, too much bug ? |
| 01:53.58 | dax | "rc buggy, not maintained", so yes, it had release-critical bugs and isn't maintained |
| 01:55.08 | Hatori | dax, is there a plan to include agains in next release after whhezy? |
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| 01:57.20 | p8m | Hatori: I think so. The version that would have made it into wheezy was too buggy but future version could be better |
| 01:59.14 | gnarface | ,v compiz |
| 01:59.16 | judd | Package: compiz on i386 -- lenny: 0.7.6-7; squeeze: 0.8.4-4; sid: 0.8.4-5.2; experimental: 0.9.2.1+git20110226.f059fae9-4 |
| 01:59.28 | gnarface | still in sid, suggests yes? |
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| 01:59.59 | Hatori | gnarface, for amd64 |
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| 02:00.58 | dax | It's in sid on amd64 too |
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| 02:01.31 | r60 | god damn you windows |
| 02:01.35 | r60 | let me access my samba share |
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| 02:02.17 | Hatori | seems there in sid, but like dax said, maybe not include on whhezy...thats right? |
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| 02:05.10 | somiaj | It will probabaly stay in unstable until it is completely unsuable, but until it gets a matainer it most likely will have the same issue when jessie freezes. |
| 02:06.08 | somiaj | Hatori: /msg dpkg ssbp (though the sid version will probabaly install fine in wheezy for the time but that is the better way). You can use it but it won't be offically supported. |
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| 02:08.42 | pzn | any debian hardware compatibility information about this notebook? http://us.getac.com/products/notebook/s400/features |
| 02:09.51 | r60 | oh son of a b |
| 02:09.59 | r60 | i had "browseable" |
| 02:10.03 | r60 | no e in that |
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| 02:15.22 | somiaj | pzn: it is mostly the kernel that matters. I would look up info about each piece and see what you get. having the actual chipset info is the best, but look up the nic, and any other things. |
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| 02:17.21 | somiaj | things like the Verizon 4g LTE may not be fully supported, but I would imangine the intel ethernet and wlan will be just fine |
| 02:17.32 | pzn | somiaj, ok, I'll try to get some tech specs about it and see... |
| 02:18.15 | somiaj | well there is a techspecs link, note squeeze's kernel may be a bit old so you'll want 3.2 from squeeze-backports. So when you see linux kernel support making sure it was included before kernel 3.2 |
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| 02:26.31 | twobitsprite | so... I'm trying to completely wipe out and reinstall mediawiki... I aptitude remove --purge mediawiki mysql-server, then delete the /var/lib/mysql, /usr/share/mediawiki and anything I find with "find / -iname "*wiki*"", and then I install it and it fails like so: http://paste.debian.net/193410/ |
| 02:27.05 | twobitsprite | this is on debian squeeze |
| 02:28.10 | twobitsprite | somehow the behavior is different when I reinstall than when I first install, so some amount of state or config is left around, but I don't know where |
| 02:28.16 | eataudio | You're missing your mediawiki apache config |
| 02:28.17 | sney | could be confmiss |
| 02:28.28 | sney | !confmiss |
| 02:28.28 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
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| 02:28.49 | perr | OH NO |
| 02:28.54 | perr | YOU KNOW I DONT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE |
| 02:28.58 | perr | BUT I STILL UNDERSTAND |
| 02:29.02 | perr | ITS IN THE MOVE OF HER BODY |
| 02:29.06 | perr | AND IN THE TOUCH OF HER HAND |
| 02:29.11 | perr | YOU KNOW I DONT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE |
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| 02:29.15 | twobitsprite | !ops perr is spamming |
| 02:29.15 | sney | !ops |
| 02:29.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: twobitsprite complains about: perr is spamming |
| 02:29.20 | dax | perr: hi, welcome to #debian. Please state the nature of the technological emergency. |
| 02:29.42 | perr | ITS IN THE MOVE OF HER BODY |
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| 02:29.44 | perr | AND THE TOUCH OF HER HAND |
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| 02:29.48 | perr | YOU KNOW I DONT SPEAK THE LANGUAGE |
| 02:29.52 | perr | I LEFT THE TEMPLE |
| 02:29.57 | perr | CIVILIZED MAN |
| 02:29.58 | perr | sorry |
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| 02:30.44 | twobitsprite | that was fun |
| 02:31.08 | twobitsprite | anyways, sney, I tried the suggested command, and now is says: ln: creating symbolic link etc/apache2/conf.d/mediawiki.conf': File exists |
| 02:31.14 | twobitsprite | <-- confused |
| 02:31.15 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 02:31.43 | sney | check the bts for reports of the same behaviour. if there's a bug report there may also be a workaround |
| 02:32.37 | twobitsprite | ahh.. it's because the symlink exists, but the file it points to doean's |
| 02:33.08 | twobitsprite | let me try purging again, then installing with the confmiss option |
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| 02:48.26 | lbj90 | I've never tried installing an ISO from a USB before until now. I ran cat deb...iso > dev/sdc1 as root, and the next line is just a cursor. Not sure what to expect next or if I've made an error. Is this "blank line" to be expected in my terminal/ |
| 02:48.44 | dax | it's /dev/sdc1, but yes |
| 02:49.41 | lbj90 | double checked my terminal, i've got what you've said. so...what do i do now? is there any indicator that it's done 'moving' or concatenating the iso over? |
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| 02:50.03 | dax | when it's done, it'll return you to the shell prompt |
| 02:51.29 | acu | hey guys - I am installing posgresql database in wheezy (so it installs 9.1) I also installed posgresql-contrib because I need pgcrypto.sql - but though the posgresql-contrib is installed, I cannot find pgcrypto.sql ? am I missing here something ? I used to do it all the time with 8.4, but now I do not know |
| 02:52.15 | lbj90 | approx wait time? not trying to sound impatient, i only have CD burn time to compare to it and it's been longer than that. it's the cd iso, not the dvd. |
| 02:52.29 | somiaj | ,file --release wheezy pgcrypto.sql |
| 02:52.30 | judd | (file <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <stable>] [--regex | --exact]) -- Returns packages that include files matching <pattern> which, by default, is interpreted as a glob (see glob(7)). If --regex is given, the pattern is treated as a extended regex (see regex(7); note not PCRE!). If --exact is given, the exact filename is required. The current stable release and i386 are searched by default. |
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| 02:52.39 | dax | acu: /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/lib/pgcrypto.so |
| 02:52.59 | dax | whoops, sorry, /usr/share/postgresql/9.1/extension/pgcrypto--1.0.sql |
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| 02:54.29 | sney | lbj90: after using the cat or dd command, it's recommended that you run 'sync' a couple times. also, you're supposed to write it to the full device e.g. /dev/sdc instead of a partition, though it may not matter if it's the first partition. |
| 02:57.19 | lbj90 | sney: thanks, I'm trying to learn by experience, which means i end up in over my head from time to time. I didn't know how long to wait to be returned to a shell prompt, hence I came to ask this after ~15 min. Since the USB has only one partition, are you saying I can omit the 1 in /dev/sdc1? |
| 02:57.34 | sney | yes |
| 02:57.36 | wilee-nilee | Hello channel so I'm running wheezy with gnome 3 only installed the time is always wrong, in spite of setting it or using network time. |
| 02:57.52 | wilee-nilee | wrong on a reboot that is |
| 02:58.25 | sney | wilee-nilee: is it set to the correct time zone? is this a multi-boot system? |
| 02:58.50 | wilee-nilee | sney, Yeah, so I don't access it daily. |
| 02:59.13 | sney | is the other operating system windows? windows likes to mess with the bios clock |
| 02:59.18 | wilee-nilee | correct time zone yes |
| 02:59.32 | acu | dax: thanks, why find did not find it ? what should have I typed - by the way, I thought I need to do also in psql - CREATE EXTENSION pgcrypto |
| 02:59.38 | wilee-nilee | sney, actually 12.04 and 12.10, ubuntu and W7. |
| 03:00.13 | dax | acu: probably because of the --1.0 in the filename I'd guess |
| 03:00.20 | somiaj | wilee-nilee: so you don't use debian? |
| 03:00.32 | dax | acu: and I don't know anything about postgresql, just package contents :) |
| 03:00.50 | sney | somiaj: sounds like he's got 3 linux distros and windows sharing 1 machine. it's a menagerie for sure |
| 03:00.51 | somiaj | wilee-nilee: oh sorry you said wheezy, but either way, win7 won't deal with UTC times and set the hw clock to the local time zone |
| 03:00.56 | wilee-nilee | somiaj, Not daily but I like debian I always have multiple OS's is all. |
| 03:01.12 | somiaj | wilee-nilee: so make sure all your linux installs use local time instead of utc time for the hw clock. |
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| 03:01.37 | dax | !utc |
| 03:01.37 | dpkg | Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the time standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). Set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs), then run "invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart" to apply. The /etc/default/rcS UTC setting was dropped at sysvinit 2.88dsf-25 (Debian bug #554345). |
| 03:01.45 | dax | iirc that'll work on both Debian and Ubuntu |
| 03:01.47 | somiaj | sney: yea for virtual machiens, need to get a decent mobo so I can share my hardware to local vms better. |
| 03:01.52 | dax | (you want UTC to be off) |
| 03:02.07 | wilee-nilee | somiaj, Ah alright, I rarely use windows just for writing papers in word although daily now in a grad program |
| 03:02.44 | somiaj | wilee-nilee: you could tell windows to not automatically change the time (not sure how though) and it will be the only place with the wrong time if you really want utc. (: |
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| 03:04.13 | wilee-nilee | somiaj, I had not heard that windows would mess with the time in another OS's but it is a cough uh usable, I have always used open source, and got W7 pro for 25$ in a student upgrade, I thought why not. |
| 03:04.56 | wilee-nilee | thanks for the help I will make sure l the open source is set correctly, and the same. |
| 03:04.58 | dax | Your hardware has a real time clock built in to it. Windows and Linux will both update it by default. Windows updates it in localtime because it's silly; Linux updates it in UTC. |
| 03:05.16 | dax | and since Windows is not amenable to change, you need to tell Linux to use localtime instead :) |
| 03:05.17 | wilee-nilee | dax, That makes sense. |
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| 03:06.42 | somiaj | I know winxp didn't do that by default, so I would imangine you could turn it off in w7. back when I dual booted I just always had the wrong time in windows |
| 03:06.56 | wilee-nilee | I generally don't use UTC but I may have one of the ubuntu's set that way I will look thanks for the info. ;) |
| 03:07.49 | wilee-nilee | gotta boot to winders to finish some work on a paper do thanks. |
| 03:07.59 | wilee-nilee | due* |
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| 03:14.52 | GRMrGecko | I'm looking at iotop to determine why when my virtual machine writes at incredible speeds, it just can't connect to the internet for awhile. |
| 03:15.15 | GRMrGecko | I see a process (md1_raid1) which is at 100% IO. |
| 03:15.26 | GRMrGecko | This tells me, this is a software raid. |
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| 03:15.55 | GRMrGecko | Is there a way to limit the write speed of my VMWare virtual machine so we do not reach the limit at which the raid cannot handle? |
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| 03:16.33 | GRMrGecko | According to IOTop on the virtual machine, it's writing at 625.20MB/sec |
| 03:16.43 | GRMrGecko | I'm positive no hard drive could reach that speed! |
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| 03:30.49 | kingsley | How do restore programs find files that are supposed to be linked to when restoring gives them new inode numbers? |
| 03:31.47 | oxy290 | Anyone have some good tutorials on setting up an apache, mysql, php, ssh, NAT, file and domain server? |
| 03:32.31 | GRMrGecko | oxy290: apt-get install apache2 mysql php5 smb bind |
| 03:32.35 | GRMrGecko | don't know about nat |
| 03:32.52 | oxy290 | network adress translation, basically useing the server like a router |
| 03:32.55 | GRMrGecko | use apt-cache search to find what I'm missing |
| 03:32.59 | oxy290 | and I ment tutorials on setting it up and configuring |
| 03:33.19 | GRMrGecko | oxy290: Easiest way to configure things is to use something like webmin |
| 03:33.38 | GRMrGecko | there are tutorials all over the net for those things, I've came across one with loads of them. |
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| 03:33.59 | oxy290 | Yeah i've offered that to em, Its a buddy of mine and he just got installed and wants me to walk him through it. haha I just want to toss him at a tutorial site |
| 03:34.06 | GRMrGecko | oxy290: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server |
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| 03:34.31 | peterrooney | oxy, 90% of the tutorials on the net are crap, adn often for outdated versions. I've found nothing teaches faster than setting it up and breaking it, except for ssh - the snail book is pretty awesome. |
| 03:34.32 | GRMrGecko | skip the php4 stuff |
| 03:34.47 | p8m | oxy290: NAT is easy to set up. You just turn on ip forwarding and set a iptables rule |
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| 03:35.37 | oxy290 | p8m I know, again, its a buddy of mine who is doing this =P I've set up too many debian based servers to ever have the patience to be a teacher at it x.x |
| 03:35.51 | scanwinder | Hi, I have a program which is in a folder, I have found out that to make that program available without being in the directory, I can put it in /usr/bin. The problem is, that program refers to other files for licensing information/etc but, it seems like /usr/bin isn't the correct place to put these other files. I tried symlinking the binary file in /usr/bin back to the folder but it still |
| 03:35.51 | scanwinder | doesn't find the licensing information. What is the best way to handle this? |
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| 03:36.37 | GRMrGecko | I believe the software raid is buffering the write, is there a way to just have it slow down the write speed to the speed at which it is being written? It appears as of Debian just stops VMWare once it reaches the max. |
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| 03:38.07 | GRMrGecko | oxy290: I highly recommend webmin (http://webmin.com/) |
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| 03:39.06 | peterrooney | !webmin |
| 03:39.07 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 03:40.15 | GRMrGecko | free whcp? |
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| 03:44.43 | GRMrGecko | peterrooney: So why do you hate webmin? |
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| 03:45.23 | oxy290 | Okay, so remember that friend of mine i was talking about, he doesn't know is root password -_- |
| 03:45.38 | oxy290 | and using "su" apparently says "Authentication Error" |
| 03:45.49 | GRMrGecko | oxy290: There is not much he can do. |
| 03:46.07 | GRMrGecko | If he cannot get root, he cannot install or configure things |
| 03:46.08 | oxy290 | I'm about to introduce him to ubuntu |
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| 03:46.31 | GRMrGecko | if he's on an administrator user, tell him to do sudo passwd |
| 03:46.37 | GRMrGecko | which will set the root password |
| 03:46.47 | oxy290 | I had him try su |
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| 03:46.58 | oxy290 | IDK what version of debian he is using either... |
| 03:47.12 | GRMrGecko | oh wait, on debian sudo isn't there by default... |
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| 03:49.29 | GRMrGecko | peterrooney: What is that alternative and also would you hate it if you use such a thing as ssh tunnel? |
| 03:49.42 | GRMrGecko | I know they had flaws in the past |
| 03:49.50 | GRMrGecko | which allowed access |
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| 04:24.05 | subb1 | I'm having a debian4 system, 64bit, 2.6.24 kernel. During wget,scp file transfers over network, the transfer rate goes on decreasing until it becomes 0 and the transfer bar says 'stalled'. What could be the possible reason? |
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| 04:25.43 | r60 | damn |
| 04:25.51 | r60 | finally got my samba share working |
| 04:26.10 | r60 | had to add force user = (me) to my share |
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| 04:26.59 | devios | why wont i386 netinst iso find a suitable kernal in apt during install for a centrino dell vostro 1700? |
| 04:27.18 | devios | kernel, even |
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| 04:36.32 | devios | think the generic package will work? |
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| 05:28.55 | lbj90 | i chose debian as my new distro because installing the nvidia drivers looked appealingly simple -- ran nvidia-versions.sh first as a precaution and got this: 'Uh oh. Your card is only supported by the current drivers series, which is only in Squeeze.' I'm running Squeeze. Eh? |
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| 05:31.18 | jair | can I upgrade gnome 2.30 to gnome 3 just installing it manually on debian squeeze 6.0.5? |
| 05:31.34 | jair | apt-get dist-upgrade will not install it automatically correct? |
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| 05:42.33 | somiaj | lbj90: what card do you have. The version in squeeze-backports may work for you |
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| 05:43.00 | somiaj | jair: you can't run gnome3 easily on squeeze and I wouldn't suggest trying to install it unless you know what you are doing. |
| 05:43.18 | somiaj | jair: you'll have to upgrade to wheezy for gnome 3 (though I suggest waiting until it stabalizes) |
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| 05:45.50 | drigolli2r | hi all |
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| 05:46.26 | lbj90 | somiaj: gtx 560 ti. |
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| 05:50.05 | somiaj | lbj90: 295.59 -- that is the version you can install from squeeze-backports. Is it new enough? if so look at backports.debian.org and you'll may want a newer kenrnel and xorg as well to run that card (not sure if it is required or not) |
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| 05:58.17 | lbj90 | somiaj: should i take the dkms route? also considering upgrading kernel, i suppose, and i should get the driver from the bpo. as far as i know, nvidia drivers build a xorg.conf |
| 05:58.39 | somiaj | yes the dkms route is the most automatic and the one I prefer |
| 05:58.49 | somiaj | you shouldn't need a complicated xorg.conf you can get away with like 3 lines |
| 05:58.55 | somiaj | !tell lbj90 about nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 05:59.11 | somiaj | that factoid tells ya the 3-4 lines you need to add |
| 05:59.26 | somiaj | make sure you install the linux-headers for your kernel you choose |
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| 06:01.27 | lbj90 | somiaj: 1. update kernel 2. install linux-headers 3. use dkms for nvidia drivers |
| 06:01.42 | somiaj | yea that factoid should include all info you need |
| 06:02.00 | bullgard4 | '~$ env | grep BROWSER' does not produce any output. How to change that for all users of this computer? '~$ sensible-browser' produces the wanted result though. |
| 06:02.23 | somiaj | lbj90: you can optionally chose to install the xorg from squeeze-backports if you want. Though I think the nvidia drivers will work fine with the one in squeeze. |
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| 06:06.23 | lbj90 | somiaj: all sounds well except my lack of understanding as to the difference between a kernel module and a driver, if there is one. |
| 06:07.32 | somiaj | same thing |
| 06:08.02 | somiaj | in linux they are called kernel module (a module is something you plug into the kernel to get some sort of kernel/hardware feature). they are just called drivers in win land |
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| 06:08.26 | somiaj | (though I guess sometimes the driver will also come with the libaries and stuff to support it) |
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| 06:09.24 | lbj90 | that clarified a good month of confusion for me..... |
| 06:09.29 | bullgard4 | lbj90: These 2 terms are not the same. "driver" is a generic term. "kernel module" is a special driver for enlarging the kernels capabilities. |
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| 06:14.21 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps whats a good X Client software app? |
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| 06:20.15 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: xterm, xclock, xteddy, xosview ... |
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| 06:20.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | sorry not what i mean http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/XDMCP-HOWTO/ |
| 06:21.12 | Eryn_1983_FL | i set that up but i dont know how to connect to it lol i feel dumb . |
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| 06:25.25 | excalibr | How do you derive fmask/dmask value to place in fstab? #ntfs-3g |
| 06:26.31 | bullgard4 | '~$ env | grep BROWSER' does not produce any output. How to change that for all users of this computer? '~$ sensible-browser' produces the wanted result though. |
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| 06:27.26 | ChrisH | bullgard4: does ls -l /etc/alternatives/*browser* |
| 06:27.52 | ChrisH | bullgard4: does ls -l /etc/alternatives/*browser* show something which looks known to you? If yes update-alternatives is what you are looking for. |
| 06:30.12 | ChrisH | Eryn_1983_FL: I did not understand whay you did and what you are trying to do. The Howto is on XDMCP which allows logins to remote sessions... That was used in the early days when you had X-Terminals in HW. |
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| 06:31.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | yeah |
| 06:31.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | sigh |
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| 06:34.46 | bullgard4 | ChrisH: Yes. 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/*browser*' produces meaningful and sensible results. Does your advice: "pdate-alternatives is what you are looking for" mean that I should adjust my Debian alternative system only? |
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| 06:37.54 | ChrisH | bullgard4: yes. man update-alternatives should explain how to set the defautl browser and other things systemwide to your expectataions |
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| 06:38.21 | bullgard4 | ChrisH: Thank you for your advice. |
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| 06:43.19 | jair | somiaj: Thank you so much, I have been looking a few options to accomplish that but will give the a try in a virtual machine before I try on my current production system |
| 06:43.35 | jair | somiaj: I agree completely about waiting for wheeze :) |
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| 06:51.54 | darsie | how do I configure the sensible-pager? |
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| 06:53.12 | Kasreyn | "-t <timeout> Specifies (in seconds ) for how long dhcpcd will try to get an IP address. The default is 60 seconds. dhcpcd will not fork into background until it gets a valid IP address in which case dhcpcd will return 0 to the parent process." - http://www.phystech.com/download/dhcpcd_man.html so say the network for some reason is unreachable, DHCP server might be temporarily off, with dhcpcd you never recover connectivity. how is this usually solved? |
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| 06:57.58 | Kasreyn | dhclient manpage: "-nw Become a daemon immediately (nowait) rather than waiting until an an IP address has been acquired." .. i guess dhclient solves it .. |
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| 07:03.20 | e66 | Hello I have downloaded a package by apt-get source. then added a config line in debian/rules. Now I want to change the defualt prefix and repack it as a .deb file. how do I do it? |
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| 07:04.11 | nevyn | dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
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| 07:04.23 | nevyn | unless you want to do the whole signing thing. which you might. |
| 07:06.00 | darsie | (How) can I configure sensible-pager to use 'less -S'? Probably with update-alternatives, but I didn't find it (yet). |
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| 07:06.30 | drigoll10r | re |
| 07:06.31 | jelly-home | darsie: what does it use instead of less? |
| 07:06.49 | darsie | jelly: it uses less, but without the -S option. |
| 07:07.11 | jelly-home | darsie: well then, just export LESS= with your desired set of options |
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| 07:07.53 | jelly-home | darsie: see OPTIONS in less(1) manual |
| 07:08.01 | darsie | jelly: Well, but sometimes I don't want -S, so I'd like to have less work without -S in the shell. |
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| 07:08.31 | jelly-home | dunno then. |
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| 07:09.10 | jelly-home | typing -S when already in less toggles the feature |
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| 07:09.22 | darsie | ok ... |
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| 07:12.30 | darsie | I'll try that for a while. thx. |
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| 07:15.08 | e66 | nevyn: does that change default prefix? |
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| 07:24.04 | nevyn | no. |
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| 07:28.19 | devios_ | i just loaded squeeze on a dell vostro 1700. it sees my wireless network, but can't seem to get connected. Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 07:29.08 | devios_ | it's driving me crazy |
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| 07:35.47 | jelly-home | !iwlwifi |
| 07:35.47 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports Intel 3945 ABG, 4965 AGN and several Intel 802.11n adapters (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N). Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>. |
| 07:36.15 | jelly-home | devios_: see that firmware-iwlwifi is installed |
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| 07:36.57 | devios_ | jelly-home: latest version installed |
| 07:37.32 | devios_ | jelly-home: im not sure how to tell what the problem is, let alone resolve it. any help greatly appreciated. |
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| 07:39.18 | jelly-home | that's all I can offer, maybe someone else has experience debugging wifi issues |
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| 07:40.02 | devios_ | jelly-home: thx anyway |
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| 07:59.38 | devios__ | im gonna have to switch back to windoze if i cant figure this wireless problem out - dont understand why i cant find more info on this problem |
| 07:59.55 | igungor | hey |
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| 08:00.18 | devios__ | http://pastebin.com/H0hT1HfJ - it seems to connect to the AP, authenticate, then fail |
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| 08:01.42 | confrey | hi everybody |
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| 08:02.48 | igungor | i wonder if anyone can help me understand this behaviour? |
| 08:02.54 | confrey | what's about unetbootin not working on 64bit? |
| 08:02.54 | igungor | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.57 | igungor | E: Broken packages |
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| 08:03.13 | igungor | i'm squeeze |
| 08:03.17 | igungor | lol |
| 08:03.19 | igungor | i'm on squeeze |
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| 08:03.30 | devios__ | http://pastebin.com/pbEZ9T7f - some more on this infuriating wireless problem |
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| 08:04.17 | devios__ | network manager sees the wireless network, and when i connect, it seems to authenticate, then disconnect. driving me CRAZY |
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| 08:13.37 | adoff | hi |
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| 08:13.52 | igungor | no idea? |
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| 08:14.09 | igungor | i can't install postfix for some reason on squeeze |
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| 08:14.19 | adoff | what would be the more efficient file system to do many disk writes ? Any suggestion |
| 08:14.22 | adoff | thanks |
| 08:14.29 | igungor | root@fizydev:~# aptitude why-not postfix |
| 08:14.32 | igungor | i libsasl2-2 Breaks postfix (<= 2.8.3-1) |
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| 08:15.07 | jelly-home | ,v postfix |
| 08:15.08 | judd | Package: postfix on i386 -- lenny: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.5.5-1.1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.7.1-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 2.7.1-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.9.1-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2.9.3-2.1; wheezy: 2.9.3-2.1 |
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| 08:15.29 | jelly-home | igungor: your system has a newer libsasl2-2 than what's available in squeeze |
| 08:15.32 | jelly-home | probably |
| 08:16.02 | jelly-home | igungor: installed any packages from testing or unstable? |
| 08:16.24 | igungor | jelly-home: i guess so |
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| 08:16.41 | bitonic | is there a way to disable effects in GNOME 3? or at least some of them? |
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| 08:16.52 | igungor | not me but someone might add a new source and updated the apt db. |
| 08:16.54 | bitonic | I really don't like the drop shadows and the transitions |
| 08:16.57 | igungor | then removed the source, i think |
| 08:17.15 | igungor | now i cant install postfix |
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| 08:17.30 | igungor | are there any safe methods to fix this issue, jelly-home ? |
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| 08:20.46 | jelly-home | igungor: downgrading sasl libs might break those other things you install that need them |
| 08:21.19 | igungor | yep, i'm aware of that. that's the reason why i said "safe method" :) |
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| 08:27.45 | jelly-home | reinstall! |
| 08:29.14 | jelly-home | or investigate what's upgraded and why; make backports instead of using those packages; verify said backports are compatible with your existing data on a test system, then install those instead of packages from testing/unstable |
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| 08:37.12 | devios | still stuck on wireless issues here :-( |
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| 08:40.29 | devios | i can't seem to connect to my wireless network and would greatly appreciate any assistance #debian can provide |
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| 08:48.42 | devios | can anyone recommend a more appropriate place for support? |
| 08:50.25 | ChrisH | devios: You would need to describe more like, lspci, lsusb, what did you allready tried. Prepare a summary and pastebin it to paste.debian.org and the URL here. Any other place will/should/must ask the same question. |
| 08:51.17 | devios | ChrisH: one moment please - i've posted most of that already |
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| 08:54.48 | devios | http://pastebin.com/LjWsafpT - Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) - when i try to connect to my wireless network, it tries to connect, then disconnects. can't get connected. |
| 08:54.58 | devios | ChrisH: ^ |
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| 08:55.34 | puzzleled | I'm puzzled by the U.S. Presidential Elections |
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| 08:55.51 | puzzleled | The USA touts itself as a shining beacon of democracy |
| 08:56.15 | puzzleled | But why are the US traditional media not covering Presidential Candidates Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode and Rocky Anderson? |
| 08:56.25 | devios | puzzleled: #debian-offtopic |
| 08:56.41 | puzzleled | Why are the US traditional media acting like they are censoring some Presidential Candidates? |
| 08:57.09 | puzzleled | I'm very puzzled by that since the USA touts itself as a shining beacon of democracy |
| 08:57.18 | aduse | Is there any good guide on setting up dual boot between FreeBSD and Debian? I have Debian installed, I (think I) have FreeBSD installed on one of the partitions, but I can't get neither grub2 nor grub1 to do it yet. And there isn't a clear guide on setting that up, and I'm getting frustrated by having to solve this by brute force. |
| 08:58.46 | aduse | grub2 is complaining about invalid signature, with grub1, update-grub is generating an invalid config, so even my Debian stops booting (as the root is on a RAID) |
| 08:59.32 | devios | sorry anyone available to help me with wireless woes? http://pastebin.com/LjWsafpT - Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) - when i try to connect to my wireless network, it tries to connect, then disconnects. can't get connected to wireless. |
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| 09:00.05 | aduse | And this isn't even the real installation, I'm just testing on a spare machine to learn how to do it before doing it on the live one, so a guide is ve3ry much what I need |
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| 09:01.08 | devios | aduse: http://drpaudel.com.np/?p=214 <- is that helpful? |
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| 09:01.33 | feneste | hi there |
| 09:01.52 | feneste | Sometimes when I resume from the suspension I get an error and I have to power off my laptop because the screen freezes. This is a big problem but unfortunately now there is another one.. |
| 09:01.58 | feneste | This last time, after I reboot, I found a mess in the screen! |
| 09:02.08 | feneste | The "screen", has been moved. It has been translated and now in the bottom of the screen it is just black and a small part of the screen that should have been in the right part is located instead in the left part! |
| 09:02.15 | feneste | My screen should be in this way: |
| 09:02.20 | feneste | ABCDE |
| 09:02.25 | feneste | FGHIL |
| 09:02.30 | feneste | MNOPQ |
| 09:02.35 | feneste | RSTUV |
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| 09:02.40 | feneste | but instead now is in this way!: |
| 09:02.46 | feneste | LFGHI |
| 09:02.48 | jsjc | I think I have messed up something ;) I was following some instructions to make a sftp only user with chroot |
| 09:02.51 | feneste | QMNOP |
| 09:02.55 | feneste | VRSTU |
| 09:02.58 | ChrisH | devios: Dont hurry... Important fro the paste, the cards gets detected. IT seems to fail duing authentication with the AP |
| 09:03.05 | feneste | ***** |
| 09:03.06 | jsjc | but now seems that nobody except root can login for ssh or sftp... |
| 09:03.09 | feneste | * = black |
| 09:03.16 | jsjc | anyway to restore config for ssh? |
| 09:03.35 | feneste | I tried also to install other desktop environments |
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| 09:03.39 | feneste | but nothing.. |
| 09:03.42 | feneste | any idea? |
| 09:03.50 | devios | ChrisH: i know that i am using the correct password. why else would authentication fail? |
| 09:03.50 | aduse | devios: Thanks. Well, that's the GRUB2 config I'm using (only with uuid instead of directly specified root, and it is failing), perhaps I've mis-installed the FreeBSD, so I'm going to do that again. |
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| 09:05.25 | ChrisH | devios: how did you configure the card? Network-Manager oder via interfaces file? |
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| 09:06.47 | feneste | anybody? |
| 09:06.59 | devios | ChrisH: i think i may have just figured it out |
| 09:07.48 | devios | ChrisH: i had a DHCP reservation in my AP for this machine using its windows computer name. i removed that reservation and connected again and it appears to be working. bug? |
| 09:08.21 | ChrisH | devios: Bug in your AP SW? Could be |
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| 09:09.52 | devios | ChrisH: very strange - well thx for helping to point me in the right direction |
| 09:09.53 | zantekkr | hey guys |
| 09:10.30 | zantekkr | does somebody of you know where to place thunderbird addons so that they are preinstalled for every new user without using /etc/skel for copying a hole profile folder? |
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| 09:12.48 | dawud | zantekkr: that's what skel is for |
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| 09:14.14 | zantekkr | ok |
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| 09:14.58 | zantekkr | but it's not a problem that the profile folder (e.g. ~.mozilla/firefox/9x8ffc5.default) will be the same on every new user? |
| 09:15.30 | dawud | zantekkr: I guess that depends on sensitive content being included or not |
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| 09:16.09 | themill | zantekkr: many icedove plugins are packaged for debian already; just install the package |
| 09:16.16 | feneste | :( |
| 09:16.47 | zantekkr | yes, but icedove v11 is the newest one you can get from the repos |
| 09:16.51 | zantekkr | I want v15 |
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| 09:17.49 | zantekkr | themill, or is there any icedove 15 package available for debian? |
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| 09:18.35 | themill | zantekkr: I didn't think icedove development was fast enough to justify releasing new versions every few weeks like that. It's so close to a dead project... |
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| 09:18.52 | bartus | hi, I wont to ask what is the proper way of installing 32bit nvidia drivers on amd64 base system with new multiarch features? |
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| 09:19.37 | zantekkr | themill: that's the problem. So I have to manually install it to /opt |
| 09:19.42 | themill | zantekkr: but even still, the icedove extensions in debian should work for both versions. You may need to create a dummy package for icedove with "equivs" to handle your source install of t'bird. |
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| 09:19.57 | tyrmored | t'bird |
| 09:20.03 | tyrmored | like in grease |
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| 09:20.08 | themill | zantekkr: well... are you sure it's really a problem, that's what I'm asking. |
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| 09:20.42 | jelly | bartus: a known bug precludes that possibility at present, http://bugs.debian.org/640499 |
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| 09:22.48 | bartus | jelly, thanks for help, i will follow closely this bug report ;) |
| 09:23.54 | jelly | there are workarounds linked in there |
| 09:26.01 | themill | jelly: do you mean rebuilding libvxmc? |
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| 09:27.37 | jelly | I think so |
| 09:27.48 | jelly | did not read the thing recently |
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| 09:52.28 | bittin^work | haha somone is queueing outside the Apple Store here and waiting for iPhone 5 =D |
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| 10:00.24 | CRCinAU | Hai all. just checking, to do a basic install, do I only need DVD #1 of 8? |
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| 10:01.11 | ksuhku | CRCinAU, just get the netinstall cd, if you have network available where you're installing |
| 10:01.42 | CRCinAU | well, I'm trying to replicate an issue some of my users are having running Debian as a Xen 4.2.0 PV guest |
| 10:02.19 | milligan | I get some output on the console like this, "E3E7A219E9 1217 Tue Sep 25 10:36:08 id@isome.domain.com". No quotes, and the whitespace is not always constant. How can I get the last field, the e-mail, only? |
| 10:02.19 | CRCinAU | disclaimer: I've never used Debian before ;) |
| 10:02.21 | CRCinAU | my gut feeling says a debian issue, as EL6 works perfectly, as does Windows XP / 7 etc |
| 10:02.44 | CRCinAU | milligan: awk is your friend. |
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| 10:03.17 | milligan | CRCinAU, I was looking at awk. Looks like an advanced version of cut? Anyway, which argument should I be reading about ? |
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| 10:03.49 | tziOm | How can run apt-get -f install and ask debian _not_ to install unmet dependencies? |
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| 10:04.10 | themill | tziOm: umm... that's the point of that command. What are you really trying to do? |
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| 10:04.26 | djp_ | should i be concerned with a 20.3% non-contiguous report for my hard drive or can i ignore it? |
| 10:04.29 | CRCinAU | milligan: theres not really an arguement... it'll have something like '{ print $7 }'.. I forget the syntax to awk easily - but that should give you a push in the right direction. |
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| 10:04.40 | CRCinAU | djp_: what filesystem type? |
| 10:04.52 | djp_ | CRCinAU: ext3 |
| 10:05.15 | CRCinAU | iirc, you can't defrag ext3. ext4 is supposed to have support for it if the tools ever get classified as stable. |
| 10:05.56 | CRCinAU | XFS has a fully online defrag that works. I recommend it for all large filesystems. but usually most distros can't boot from XFS |
| 10:06.33 | djp_ | CRCinAU: it's my /home partition |
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| 10:07.21 | Argafal | Hi folks. I am wondering what to do to get the new open source "Source Code Pro" font from Adobe into my Debian system. https://github.com/adobe/Source-Code-Pro |
| 10:07.22 | tziOm | themill, make debian forget unmet dependencies |
| 10:07.25 | CRCinAU | still the same issue though... its ext3 and the tools don't exist to defrag it safely. You can rsync it all to some other disk, wipe the disk, then rsync it back? |
| 10:07.41 | djp_ | CRCinAU: i gather it's ok to ignore it then? i believbe my /root partition reports 1% non-contiguous or something around that |
| 10:07.45 | tziOm | themill, I want to install liblockfile1 without the "silly" deps |
| 10:07.46 | themill | tziOm: what are you really trying to do? why? You don't just rewrite dependencies at will... |
| 10:07.48 | milligan | CRCinAU, cheers. got it going |
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| 10:07.59 | tziOm | I know what I am doing |
| 10:08.09 | themill | tziOm: it doesn't have any "silly" dependencies |
| 10:08.14 | CRCinAU | tziOm: obviously ;) |
| 10:08.16 | tziOm | for me it has |
| 10:08.19 | themill | perhaps you need to look up "dependency" in the dictionary |
| 10:08.21 | djp_ | CRCinAU: yes, good call. i may well do that as it's my /home directory |
| 10:08.45 | kallepersson | If I wanted to output the 10-20 most memory-heavy processes sorted by memory usage, what'd be the best command? |
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| 10:08.59 | themill | dpkg: tell kallepersson about meminfo |
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| 10:09.05 | tziOm | heck shut up. Point is I have full control of what I am doing. |
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| 10:09.08 | kallepersson | I know top can output only one "cycle" and return, but it outputs a lot of other characters |
| 10:09.10 | kallepersson | thanks themill |
| 10:09.16 | tziOm | How can I force install liblockfile with no deps? |
| 10:09.23 | CRCinAU | djp_: I went to XFS for my main fileshare - as some 5-6Gb files on there can fragment into 2000+ fragments. which kills performance. so I use xfs_fsr to defrag it regularly. |
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| 10:09.27 | bitonic | just installed debian testing, and GNOME3 is surely hard to configure. 1) how do I disable drop shadows? 2) how do I disable automatic brightness adjustement? |
| 10:09.27 | themill | tziOm: have fun and good luck! You'll need it. |
| 10:09.55 | djp_ | CRCinAU: thanks for the advice. will look into it. |
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| 10:10.38 | CRCinAU | djp_: disclaimer: I'm not a debian user - but EL6 has all the XFS tools in a package called xfs_progs - I assume it'll be something similar in debian ;) |
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| 10:11.23 | CRCinAU | however, if anyone has any experience here in running Debian as a Xen DomU under Xen 4.2.0, please let me know :) |
| 10:11.28 | CRCinAU | I'm trying to troubleshoot some stuff. |
| 10:11.30 | tziOm | themill, you should get dry behind your ears before you act god |
| 10:12.06 | themill | tziOm: if you want help, please try providing the necessary information. Some output from apt would be helpful. |
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| 10:12.08 | themill | dpkg: tell tziOm about bat |
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| 10:12.44 | themill | tziOm: some knowledge of debian packaging and apt might help you too... but I don't know how you've screwed up yet to know how to help you fix it |
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| 10:20.48 | mr_daniel | Is there any reason why /var/log/dpkg.log could be empty? |
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| 10:21.14 | Sm0ke0ut | by not using dpkg I guess |
| 10:21.33 | themill | mr_daniel: it gets rotated by logrotate |
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| 10:28.43 | mr_daniel | logrotate is executed daily (/etc/cron.daily/logrotate) at 04:09 AM. But dpkg.log was changed/edited last at 18:49 PM. Also there is only a single file dpkg.log.1 created at 3 Aug 17:03 PM: |
| 10:28.46 | mr_daniel | http://pastebin.com/mXdUuSm4 |
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| 10:30.33 | mr_daniel | The reason I want to investigate dpkg history is because rkhunter warned me yesterday about a lot inode changes ona lot of binary files. And this scares me: http://pastebin.com/gpVNUdnY |
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| 10:31.16 | mr_daniel | But I guess the inode changes could be normal, because it is a virtual server, where some sort of harddisk relocation/optimization/repartitioning operation could be the reason for the inode changes |
| 10:31.50 | mr_daniel | But just 5 minutes after rkhunter warned me, a cronjob can't executed because /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp can't be found |
| 10:32.15 | mr_daniel | And now I am stuck, don't know what the cause for this weird behavior could be |
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| 10:33.15 | mr_daniel | What make me curious are the timestamps of the evetns: 04:09 AM /var/log/dpkg.log changed (deleted?), 18:55 PM rkunter warning, 19:00 PM /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp can't be found |
| 10:33.53 | mr_daniel | btw logrotate gets executed daily at 04:09 AM |
| 10:33.57 | mr_daniel | sorry, I mean: |
| 10:34.06 | mr_daniel | What make me curious are the timestamps of the evetns: 18:49 AM /var/log/dpkg.log changed (deleted?), 18:55 PM rkunter warning, 19:00 PM /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp can't be found |
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| 10:34.18 | mr_daniel | sorry, again, I mean: |
| 10:34.24 | mr_daniel | What make me curious are the timestamps of the evetns: 18:49 PM /var/log/dpkg.log changed (deleted?), 18:55 PM rkunter warning, 19:00 PM /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp can't be found |
| 10:36.23 | nsadmin | maybe you got hacked and these files have been replaced |
| 10:36.44 | mr_daniel | no, replaces would mean changes md5 check sums, but only the inode changes |
| 10:37.34 | nsadmin | do you use sendmail as your mta? |
| 10:37.35 | mr_daniel | But I am not sure, even /usr/bin/rkhunter is part of the inode changes list: http://pastebin.com/gpVNUdnY |
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| 10:38.35 | nsadmin | , file usr/sbin/sendmail-msp |
| 10:38.44 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 10:39.00 | nsadmin | , file usr/sbin/sendmail-msp --release=wheezy |
| 10:39.09 | judd | No packages in wheezy/i386 were found with that file. |
| 10:39.28 | nsadmin | what release are you running? |
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| 10:40.32 | mr_daniel | lsb_release: http://pastebin.com/WbdeYf7J |
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| 10:40.41 | mr_daniel | it's Debian 6.0.5 (squeeze) |
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| 10:42.01 | nsadmin | ok, so something you have seems to be pointing at that file, and you don't have it, and debian doesn't have it either |
| 10:42.06 | GRMrGecko | Anyone in her specialize with raids? |
| 10:42.08 | kallepersson | When I try to: echo -e $(ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size --sort size | tail -n 15) everything is displayed on one line |
| 10:42.14 | nsadmin | her who? |
| 10:42.15 | kallepersson | even though the command itself outputs multiple lines |
| 10:42.22 | kallepersson | how can I make it keep its formatting? |
| 10:42.36 | jelly | kallepersson: why are you using that echo at all? |
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| 10:42.47 | kallepersson | to append it to a text file |
| 10:43.06 | jelly | kallepersson: ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size --sort size | tail -n 15 >> $thatfile |
| 10:43.16 | kallepersson | of course! |
| 10:43.20 | mr_daniel | The sendmail-msp thing is weird. There is a cronjob /etc/cron.d/sendmail, executed every 20 minutes: |
| 10:43.23 | mr_daniel | */20 * * * * smmsp test -x /etc/init.d/sendmail && /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail cron-msp |
| 10:44.05 | nsadmin | mr_daniel, is this the first time you've encountered this file? |
| 10:44.19 | GRMrGecko | if you respond to me, please mention my nick as I won't know otherwise if you're talking to me or someone else. |
| 10:44.19 | jelly | mr_daniel: what prompted you to use Sendmail instead of the default exim or the saner postfix? |
| 10:44.21 | kallepersson | jelly: In theory, had I wanted to use the output as a variable, could I have done so and still kept the formatting? |
| 10:44.47 | mr_daniel | Well, I never heard of this file until now. But I am not sure if it is really a file or only executing sendmail with special options |
| 10:44.50 | jelly | kallepersson: doublequotes, a="$(ls -la)"; echo "$a" |
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| 10:45.02 | kallepersson | Oh, cool. Thanks! |
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| 10:45.36 | mr_daniel | what weird the cronjob executed "sendmail cron-msp", but "sendmail-h" doesn't show this option: http://pastebin.com/AcR0Z32K |
| 10:45.39 | nsadmin | mr_daniel, let's back up a bit |
| 10:46.04 | jelly | kallepersson: see this common error, and others http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#echo_.24foo |
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| 10:46.17 | nsadmin | about the machine that started reporting all this... what name can we use for it? |
| 10:46.22 | GRMrGecko | Should I ask this question in some forum or mailing list? |
| 10:46.30 | mr_daniel | It's a shell script: |
| 10:46.33 | mr_daniel | user@h15:/usr/share/sendmail$ file /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail |
| 10:46.34 | mr_daniel | /usr/share/sendmail/sendmail: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 10:47.00 | nsadmin | right now, I'm zoomed out a few clicks |
| 10:47.03 | mr_daniel | how about strato? It's a Strato powerserver v5.1 something |
| 10:47.25 | nsadmin | because I'd like to get some history... sure :) strato is fine! |
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| 10:47.50 | nsadmin | so, is strato a remote? |
| 10:47.55 | jelly | GRMrGecko: #linux-raid will probably help determine whether there's anything weird on the md raid side |
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| 10:48.41 | mr_daniel | yes, it's a remote server |
| 10:48.54 | mr_daniel | I access it with SSH public-key authentication |
| 10:49.05 | nsadmin | ok,,, when did it start going online? (approx :) |
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| 10:51.08 | mr_daniel | well, about 6 monts |
| 10:51.16 | mr_daniel | trying to find the exact date |
| 10:51.29 | nsadmin | no need :) approx is just fine |
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| 10:51.51 | mr_daniel | since 07.11.2011 |
| 10:52.01 | mr_daniel | why is the date important? |
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| 10:52.33 | nsadmin | I just needed a ballpark approximation... and thanks for being accurate :) |
| 10:52.56 | nsadmin | did you start with squeeze? |
| 10:53.01 | mr_daniel | wait a minute, also the timestamp of the cronjob /etc/cron.d/sendmail causing the sendmail-smp problem is very new: |
| 10:53.25 | mr_daniel | user@h15:/etc/cron.d$ ls -l * |
| 10:53.26 | mr_daniel | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 355 22. Aug 2010 cron-apt |
| 10:53.28 | mr_daniel | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2343 25. Sep 18:44 sendmail |
| 10:53.59 | mr_daniel | so maybe it could be some security packages got be installed? But why the hel /var/log/dpkg.log is empty? I want to check this! |
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| 10:54.13 | mr_daniel | with squeeze? need to check version names |
| 10:54.15 | mr_daniel | no |
| 10:54.23 | mr_daniel | vserver is a fresh install |
| 10:54.44 | nsadmin | did you ever have to upgrade to squeeze? |
| 10:54.53 | mr_daniel | I bought the server and installed Debain 6 on it |
| 10:55.03 | nsadmin | or do you think it was a fresh squeeze install? |
| 10:55.13 | mr_daniel | no, I can't remember that |
| 10:55.19 | mr_daniel | but let me double check |
| 10:55.20 | nsadmin | ok, so all through its life, it's been squeeze |
| 10:55.29 | nsadmin | that's good to know |
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| 10:56.22 | nsadmin | have you ever installed anything that was not in a debian package on strato? |
| 10:56.24 | mr_daniel | well, when I bought the server I choosed "Debian 6.0.4" |
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| 10:56.42 | nsadmin | ever since july 2011 |
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| 10:56.48 | mr_daniel | but now lsb_release print "Debian 6.0.5", so there were maybe some minor update I guess? But not sure about this |
| 10:56.55 | mr_daniel | yes |
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| 10:57.20 | mr_daniel | e.g. "aptitude install cron-apt" for auto security updates, "aptitude install postfix" to setup a secondary backup SMTP server |
| 10:57.44 | themill | you can't have both sendmail and postfix debian packages on the machine at the same time |
| 10:57.45 | mr_daniel | maybe a couple of minor other things to, like "aptitude install vim" etc. |
| 10:58.06 | mr_daniel | well, postfix install sendmail as well for legacy puporoses for other programs |
| 10:58.22 | mr_daniel | I no sendmail and postfiy do the same job, providing SMTP functionality |
| 10:58.32 | nsadmin | themill, note that the executable was not found on the machine (/usr/sbin/sendmail-something) |
| 10:58.39 | mr_daniel | sendmail is just a frontend so postfix for other programs I guess |
| 10:58.48 | mr_daniel | ...when you install postfix |
| 10:59.03 | nsadmin | that does sound reasonable |
| 10:59.17 | nsadmin | it would be good to know if it's actually true |
| 11:00.14 | nsadmin | mr_daniel, I need to ask this in a different way... was there anything you installed that was not from aptitude or apt-get? |
| 11:00.25 | nsadmin | through its whole life |
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| 11:01.14 | mr_daniel | I usually use aptitude to install packages, because every says it is superior to apt-get in terms of conflict resolution and package logging |
| 11:01.47 | mr_daniel | I don't think I installed any package without aptitude, I am used so aptitude so I use every time I want to install somethign new |
| 11:02.03 | nsadmin | that's true... one thing I am wanting to know, is had you ever (for example) built a program from C source and did make install? |
| 11:02.22 | nsadmin | (again, since july 2011 |
| 11:02.23 | nsadmin | ) |
| 11:02.57 | osfd | Hi there. For a reason I don't understand, I cannot see printers from official mozilla firefox AND thunderbird whereas I can see them from any other apps installed on my system. Would you mind helping me please |
| 11:04.06 | mr_daniel | no, never |
| 11:04.22 | nsadmin | ok... that's very good to know... |
| 11:04.29 | mr_daniel | I don't need "./configure && make && make instal" because I am fine with debian repository |
| 11:04.40 | nsadmin | so what I hear you saying in summary... |
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| 11:04.50 | nsadmin | is, you've only installed debian packages |
| 11:05.18 | nsadmin | one more history question... |
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| 11:05.41 | mr_daniel | for completion, these are the files that "aptitude install postfix" installs: http://pastebin.com/L0CW2nbW |
| 11:05.42 | nsadmin | is there anyone who has the same rights as you do to strato who may have installed anything? |
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| 11:06.15 | mr_daniel | and for legacy purposes it installs sendmail-dummy-frontends as well: http://pastebin.com/ZAykjCbu |
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| 11:06.42 | mr_daniel | no, I am the only person using this server |
| 11:06.57 | mr_daniel | only I have access to it, well this should be the case |
| 11:07.03 | nsadmin | ok, also great to know. |
| 11:07.24 | nsadmin | so any access other than you is not permitted. fair to say? |
| 11:08.01 | mr_daniel | nsadmin: do you have any idea what the "sendmail-msp" problem could be? |
| 11:08.14 | osfd | is it a job interview ? |
| 11:08.21 | mr_daniel | lol, no :) |
| 11:08.49 | nsadmin | so far, I don't know what sendmail-msp is, and it's -also- unknown to debian |
| 11:08.58 | osfd | :P |
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| 11:09.10 | nsadmin | so any reference to it could also come under the category of "not permitted" |
| 11:09.26 | osfd | well, may I insist about my issue ? |
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| 11:10.28 | themill | osfd: do the printers work with iceweasel or icedove? |
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| 11:11.36 | osfd | themill: yes they do |
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| 11:13.24 | themill | osfd: well... sounds like you need to talk to the mozilla people then. We probably don't have much experience with firefox and t'bird from upstream. |
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| 11:13.43 | folivora | Gday, I am trying to start xfc4 as normal user but I get an error "Can't open .config/user-dirs.xinit |
| 11:13.58 | folivora | as a root it works |
| 11:14.04 | osfd | themill: so I should go in #mozilla channel and ask the same... |
| 11:14.11 | folivora | but I would like that xfc4 would autostart as boot |
| 11:14.12 | osfd | themill: is that it ? |
| 11:14.27 | themill | osfd: there's a #firefox too |
| 11:14.44 | osfd | ok |
| 11:14.50 | Coweater | osfd: is it a 32-bit firefox install on a 64-bit system? |
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| 11:18.17 | nsadmin | mr_daniel, the bottom line is, it's very hard to tell what happened, in what order, etc... the only thing you do have, are these notifications and the files you have discovered |
| 11:18.31 | jeredepp | hello i got a ghost in my system, i want to remove a directory but it's always refusing to delete everything with the error -rm: cannot remove `path/to/symlink/path/to/symlink/path/to/symlink/path/to/symlink/etc./etc./etc./etc.': Directory not empty |
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| 11:18.41 | mr_daniel | nsadmin: true |
| 11:18.45 | nsadmin | at this point, I can say they look suspicious |
| 11:18.59 | jeredepp | tried to rm -r, rm-rf tried tar it and delete the files (cowardly refusing) |
| 11:19.05 | mr_daniel | true |
| 11:19.15 | mr_daniel | what makes me suspicious are the timestamps of the files |
| 11:19.49 | nsadmin | mr_daniel, be very careful about using these files (especially executables) it says there's a new inode for |
| 11:20.01 | nsadmin | mr_daniel, exactly, me too |
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| 11:20.15 | antsygeek | i am playing with debian preseed files. only thing that i can't seem to set is the keyboard layout (i want switzerland). german keyboard won't work, too. this is from my preseed.cfg file: http://pastie.org/4829076 what am i doing wrong? after boot, it is always us keyboard |
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| 11:21.11 | nsadmin | mr_daniel, do you run any databases as part of what the server does? |
| 11:21.21 | mr_daniel | no |
| 11:21.39 | nsadmin | is it a mail server only, or other things too? |
| 11:22.26 | nsadmin | I think you need to back up (well should do that anyway too) |
| 11:22.49 | zantekkr | hey, I want to make an own debian-based linux distri for our company so that everyone has got a bunch of software preinstalled, some customized config files in their home dirs and I want to be able to spread packages over the network. e.g. if we need a new package I don't want to install it on 50 computers manually, just start some kind of event and it get installed automatically on every system running the distri. Is this even possbile? |
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| 11:23.39 | ksk | zantekkr: you dont need your own distri for that. just a repository and some tools to deploy anything (either dsh or (much more work todo) puppet) |
| 11:23.44 | nsadmin | mostly, you should backup any stuff you put on there yourself, any original material like recipes, diagrams, screenplays, songs, poems, and any config files you altered |
| 11:24.16 | zantekkr | ksk, something like this? http://code.google.com/p/dforker/wiki/HowToUse |
| 11:24.47 | ksk | now you want to install a linux system? |
| 11:24.52 | ksk | use fully automatic installer then |
| 11:25.05 | zantekkr | ksk, so preseeded installation, right? |
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| 11:26.40 | nsadmin | mr_daniel, of course the worst case (which I hope you don't have and which you should think about) is someone might have access access |
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| 11:27.00 | nsadmin | another thing, as root ls /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 11:27.08 | nsadmin | notice the star at the end |
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| 11:28.04 | nsadmin | when I do it, I get more than: |
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| 11:29.22 | nsadmin | dpkg.log dpkg.log.11.gz dpkg.log.3.gz dpkg.log.6.gz |
| 11:29.22 | nsadmin | dpkg.log.1 dpkg.log.12.gz dpkg.log.4.gz dpkg.log.7.gz |
| 11:29.37 | mr_daniel | so many files? |
| 11:29.41 | mr_daniel | that's a lot! |
| 11:29.50 | mr_daniel | I have only two, one is empty |
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| 11:30.26 | nsadmin | yes, that's caused by an automatic process that stores dpkg.log when it gets "too big" |
| 11:30.33 | nsadmin | this is called log rolling |
| 11:30.42 | nsadmin | what are the two called? |
| 11:31.04 | kaste | hey, we are wondering if there is some voodoo we could do to install a server from floppy? we are thiking minimal kernel with nfs parameters compiled in |
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| 11:32.19 | nsadmin | kaste, maybe... and, what has you interested in that? maybe we can solve the underlying problem |
| 11:32.39 | kaste | server with a floppy, no cdrom, no pxe |
| 11:32.55 | nsadmin | usb? |
| 11:32.58 | kaste | nope |
| 11:33.06 | Iridos | dpkg, floppy |
| 11:33.07 | dpkg | [bf] Boot floppies are Debian-Installer images written to floppy disks, then used to install a Debian system. These were last made available for the Etch/4.0 release, see <etch floppies>. From the <lenny errata>: "Due to an increase in the size of the Linux kernel, we are unable to provide installation images for installs from floppy disk." |
| 11:33.12 | nsadmin | wow... that's... bad :) |
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| 11:33.38 | kaste | well i could go etch and the dist-upgrade my way through hell into sqeeze :D just for fun |
| 11:33.52 | Iridos | dpkg, rube goldberg install |
| 11:33.53 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 11:34.22 | nsadmin | kaste, does it have working net? |
| 11:34.29 | kaste | yes |
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| 11:34.51 | specing | then install it on the disk from another machine |
| 11:34.51 | specing | simple. |
| 11:34.52 | kaste | well whatever that means |
| 11:35.20 | nsadmin | but not pxe... the floppies could work for you; at minimum it's worth a try |
| 11:35.28 | kaste | i would have working net if something where on there, i'll just take the disks out and install it somewhere else and put them back in |
| 11:35.40 | kaste | seems simplest |
| 11:35.47 | specing | yup |
| 11:36.12 | kaste | although it seems like a cool adventure to try the floppy, maybe i'll try |
| 11:36.14 | specing | don't forget to delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-* rules |
| 11:36.21 | kaste | k thank you very much |
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| 11:37.04 | nsadmin | maybe you'd consider trying the floppies first, before moving hardware around |
| 11:37.53 | specing | don't bother with floppies |
| 11:37.59 | specing | we are in 2012 ffs |
| 11:38.19 | specing | Or if you must, boot pxelinux from them |
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| 11:39.12 | nsadmin | that sounds like a good solution too, but first we need to know if the floppies support his card |
| 11:39.13 | kaste | nonow that's a brilliant idea |
| 11:40.02 | specing | don't bother with floppies |
| 11:40.04 | specing | seriously. |
| 11:40.06 | nsadmin | specing, if he does that, does that mean his server doesn't need to boot from pxe? |
| 11:40.26 | specing | That means he has a pxe client locally |
| 11:40.38 | specing | there are two ways to pxe boot |
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| 11:40.46 | specing | actually 3 |
| 11:40.50 | specing | 1) pxe on the NIC |
| 11:40.55 | specing | 2) pxe in the bios |
| 11:41.05 | specing | 3) pxe on the disk/floppy |
| 11:41.14 | specing | I have used both 1 & 2 |
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| 11:41.53 | nsadmin | and in all of 1-3 he'd have to set up another machine |
| 11:42.02 | specing | indeed |
| 11:42.09 | specing | which is trivial |
| 11:42.13 | specing | for a sysadmin |
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| 11:42.42 | specing | I have a tftp server with a couple of Gentoo images |
| 11:42.58 | specing | used both for rescue purposes and running configs |
| 11:43.28 | kaste | we have a server with enough images on them that's no issue |
| 11:44.09 | nsadmin | kaste, do you have another server you can copy from? |
| 11:44.38 | nsadmin | that's the same hardware |
| 11:45.11 | kaste | yes, we boot a lot of machines from network, once i got pxe we are set. Our main problem is locating floppys atm :) |
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| 11:45.47 | nsadmin | and then finding the one good floppy in a box of 100 sonys |
| 11:45.53 | specing | kaste: any museums nearby? |
| 11:46.00 | Argafal | I am wondering, is there a way to tell aptitude dist-upgrade to not upgrade a certain package and its dependencies? |
| 11:46.08 | specing | hehe |
| 11:46.17 | specing | I have a whole drawer full of floppies |
| 11:46.24 | specing | 500MB! |
| 11:46.25 | specing | :) |
| 11:46.50 | specing | One drawerfull of capacity... 500MB = 1DF :) |
| 11:47.03 | Iridos | Argafal, hold |
| 11:47.31 | Iridos | dpkg, hold |
| 11:47.31 | dpkg | hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. |
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| 11:48.10 | apg | Hello, Guys, where will next year's debconf be held? |
| 11:48.26 | themill | apg: debconf.org |
| 11:48.27 | nsadmin | I bought a box of 10 sony floppies... all but 2 were bad... and if -sony- (really big company) can't manage to get more than 2 good ones per box, then everything they sell (imo) is suspected of being 80% crap just like those floppies |
| 11:48.37 | Argafal | Iridos: thank you |
| 11:49.07 | apg | themill: ok |
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| 11:54.36 | mr_daniel_ | yes |
| 11:54.52 | Iridos | Argafal, there was a bug that apt-get did not honor hold set with aptitude... dunno if that's fixed (so take care to only use aptitude) |
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| 11:55.12 | Iridos | ah, the factoid also said that ... didn't bother to read all of it :P |
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| 11:56.36 | Argafal | Iridos: yes, i've seen it in the factoid, but thanks for pointing it out |
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| 12:07.21 | Iridos | it'll hopefully be remedied in wheezy... if not than in the release after |
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| 12:12.36 | nsadmin | , v libhtml-treebuilder-perl |
| 12:12.38 | judd | No package named 'libhtml-treebuilder-perl' was found in i386. |
| 12:12.39 | ChrisH | I remember there was a package to get more details from any MPEG movie, which command was it? |
| 12:12.59 | themill | avprobe? |
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| 12:13.34 | themill | (or ffprobe in squeeze) |
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| 12:13.56 | ChrisH | themill: looks like avprobe will bring me one step ahead... thanks |
| 12:13.58 | Iridos | mediainfo:? |
| 12:14.07 | Iridos | s/:// |
| 12:14.32 | Iridos | (which is, oh surprise, in the mediainfo package) |
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| 12:14.59 | bool | I have added the entry <user> ALL=NOPASSWD:<path to command> in my sudo file (by running visudo), but I am still asked for a password |
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| 12:18.30 | ChrisH | bool: ain't there a blank missing between NOPASSWD: <path to command>/command 1. missing blank 2. absolute path to command |
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| 12:20.37 | bool | still asks for password :s |
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| 12:21.18 | bool | i have tried to move the line last and also above %sudo, but nothing seems to work |
| 12:21.41 | Iridos | did you try entering the command with the full path as well? I think it has to be entered the same way it's written in the file |
| 12:22.13 | ChrisH | bool: then start with 'bool ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL' and restrict it down... or pastebin your line |
| 12:22.35 | bool | is there a commandline utility for pasting? |
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| 12:23.31 | babilen | !tell bool -about nopaste |
| 12:23.50 | bool | ok.. the last worked, so how shoild i start restricting? i am not sure about all the fields |
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| 12:25.32 | bitonic | I'm running another wm (i3), and I'm starting it with ck-launch-session, however I can't use the wireless through `nm-applet' - I get "(32) Insufficient privileges" |
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| 12:25.48 | bool | ok, it fails when relpacing ALL with the command i want to run, but I am sure the full path matches the file |
| 12:26.03 | bool | /home/bool/myscript.sh |
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| 12:28.32 | ChrisH | bool: if you are unsure about the file, start reading man sudo and I would replace the final ALL with /home/bool/myscript.sh |
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| 12:29.12 | bool | i got it working now :p i did a .sh .py misspelling :p |
| 12:30.00 | bool | so now I have "bool ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /path/to/command" do I need to restrict anymore? |
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| 12:37.24 | felipe123456 | hello |
| 12:37.35 | ChrisH | bool: Try to run other commands... but I am no security guy :) |
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| 12:55.44 | pablo | hello, when I remove and purge a package, shouldn't it also remove the user it has created? |
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| 12:57.24 | themill | pablo: that has been argued about a few times and the general feeling is that it shouldn't. |
| 12:58.35 | pablo | themill: hmm, ok |
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| 13:00.56 | pablo | should I mantain/delete this users by hand, or is there a tool for detecting them, removing, a flag for apt maybe to remove the user too? |
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| 13:01.32 | rdz | hi all. i added the apt repository from pve to sources.list and i also imported the key. after 'aptitude update' i still can't find the packages from the added repo. i must miss something obvious, but i am not able to figure it out. any ideas? |
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| 13:01.58 | Player | pablo: i say go by hand |
| 13:02.23 | Player | pablo: logically, if there would be packages that use the same user and you remove one package, it shouldn't delete the user 'cause the pther package couldn't use it |
| 13:02.41 | Player | rdz: do apt-cache search package game |
| 13:03.21 | rdz | Player, still the same results |
| 13:03.47 | rdz | the added repo is this: deb http://download.proxmox.com/debian squeeze pve |
| 13:04.04 | rdz | how can i see, which repos apt is checking at all? |
| 13:04.04 | pablo | Player: I see. Ok |
| 13:04.58 | boudiccas | rtztry putting a / after debian |
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| 13:05.20 | rdz | boudiccas, i'll try. thanks |
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| 13:06.33 | garulf | hi |
| 13:06.33 | themill | rdz: «aptitude search '?origin(Proxmox)'» should list packages from that repo (if I'm reading their Release file correctly) |
| 13:06.35 | rdz | boudiccas, no difference |
| 13:06.40 | garulf | how can i make a program that crash a coredump? |
| 13:07.02 | rdz | themill, no result |
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| 13:08.05 | themill | rdz: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update; apt-cache policy" |
| 13:08.08 | rdz | i'd think, there is something screwed on this machine, but i had this before and this is now on a freshly installed debian |
| 13:08.16 | rdz | themill, sure |
| 13:08.21 | jelly | garulf: make sure core dumps are enabled in the parent shell, with "ulimit -c unlimited" |
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| 13:08.39 | jelly | garulf: how are you starting the program? |
| 13:08.43 | garulf | jelly, thanks |
| 13:08.48 | garulf | jelly, with mpirun :S |
| 13:08.55 | jelly | fun |
| 13:09.04 | psychotropic_ | I've found varying answers on Google about this, but is there anything wrong--security, wise--with installing Samba on my web/FTP server? |
| 13:09.16 | jelly | I have no experience with mpi clusters |
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| 13:09.41 | rdz | themill, not necessary anymore. it works now |
| 13:09.52 | rdz | themill, though i don't understand why.. |
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| 13:10.10 | jelly | psychotropic_: in general, you don't want samba to be available on an untrusted network (like public Internet) |
| 13:10.22 | rdz | after the command you pasted, i did apt-get update again and then it printed an error, because i also put a deb-src line there |
| 13:10.38 | jelly | psychotropic_: if your server is on internal lan, go ahead |
| 13:10.44 | rdz | after removing that line and apt-get update again, i _can_ now search the new repo |
| 13:10.45 | psychotropic_ | Okay, even with a proper firewall config? |
| 13:10.54 | jelly | psychotropic_: vpn only |
| 13:10.59 | rdz | themill, whatever it was: many thanks!! |
| 13:11.12 | jelly | psychotropic_: data traffic goes unencrypted over the network |
| 13:11.17 | psychotropic_ | Well, the Samba server would only be local. My web and FTP are public, though. |
| 13:11.26 | psychotropic_ | So, better safe than sorry? |
| 13:12.02 | jelly | psychotropic_: make doubly sure you're not going to expose it to the interwebs, I guess |
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| 13:12.37 | psychotropic_ | Well, if I had to ask the question, I'd better just leave it be :) |
| 13:12.37 | jelly | psychotropic_: ie. both local iptables firewall and your border router firewall |
| 13:12.50 | rdz | themill, it was the bogus deb-src line, which made it not list the packages from that repo |
| 13:13.06 | rdz | themill, i just tested it on another machine, that had the same problem |
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| 13:23.03 | IRC_USER | anyone compiled Xen 4.2 from source on either Wheezy or Squeeze? |
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| 13:31.29 | miroslav_ | IRC_USER: No, sorry |
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| 13:46.22 | EarlGray | Hello |
| 13:46.25 | mr_daniel | Is there any reason why the dpkg history is deleted? I checked common dpkg history files, but all are empty, how can that be? http://pastebin.com/GFQ5j1db |
| 13:46.43 | EarlGray | I have some questions about live-build, is it a right place to ask? |
| 13:46.48 | babilen | !pastebin.com |
| 13:46.48 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:46.55 | mr_daniel | All files, dpkg.log + history.og + term.log, were changed at the same time (18:49 PM) and all are empty (0 bytes) |
| 13:47.10 | mr_daniel | how can that be. Is this normal for a normal debian system? |
| 13:47.12 | babilen | EarlGray: You can ask, but note that there is a #debian-live on irc.oftc.net (aka irc.debian.org) |
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| 13:47.42 | babilen | mr_daniel: Do you have /var/log/dpkg.log.* files? Are you familiar with logrotate? |
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| 13:48.40 | mr_daniel | babilen: I know logrotate, but it is executed at 04:09 AM every day, not at 18:49 PM |
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| 13:51.06 | mr_daniel | also the files created by logrotate, there are to few: http://pastebin.com/5DACMfd5 |
| 13:51.55 | boudiccas | mr)danyou have logwatch installed? what does it say in todays email from it? |
| 13:52.12 | babilen | mr_daniel: Did you read what dpkg (our bot) just said about pastebin.com? How are there not enough files? Why do you think there should be more? |
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| 13:52.36 | mr_daniel | don't know what logwatch is, need some minutes to check it |
| 13:53.47 | boudiccas | mr_daniel: its no good installing it and expecting it to tell you about yetserdays events, it will only start working from when you install it |
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| 14:02.32 | Eagleman | I've installed the ssh server but when i connect to it it refuses any user/password |
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| 14:04.17 | tremon | Eagleman: check /var/log/auth.log on the server |
| 14:04.39 | Eagleman | session openened |
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| 14:05.25 | Eagleman | nothing special |
| 14:06.40 | tremon | then try ssh -vv or increase your sshd debug level |
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| 14:07.29 | Eagleman | ssh -vv says that its not a correct command |
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| 14:08.00 | tremon | hmm... -v -v then? |
| 14:08.12 | Eagleman | -v is not recognized |
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| 14:08.23 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:08.36 | ChrisH | Eagleman: Please paste the output of ssh -V |
| 14:08.39 | ksk | Eagleman: then you probably are not use the ssh client shipped with debian |
| 14:08.54 | tremon | it should be: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=ssh |
| 14:09.02 | Eagleman | i've installed ssh during instalation |
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| 14:09.37 | Eagleman | I cant paste it, since i am in the terminal |
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| 14:10.12 | Eagleman | OpenSSH-5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze2, OpenSSL 0.9.80 01 Jun 2010 |
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| 14:10.59 | else- | is it possible to prevent a service from starting using the kernel cmdline? |
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| 14:11.24 | tremon | else-: depends on the service, but generally, no |
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| 14:11.32 | else- | ok, thx |
| 14:11.32 | ChrisH | Eagleman: is your installation finished or are you still installing? |
| 14:11.46 | Eagleman | It is finished |
| 14:11.52 | Eagleman | rebooted several times |
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| 14:12.05 | johnfg | For some unknown reason, after an update recently, an Universal Access Preferences icon is appearing in the upper right hand corner of my gnome desktop (on squeeze). |
| 14:12.30 | johnfg | Right clicking on it doesn't do anything, like let me get rid of it. |
| 14:12.36 | johnfg | How do I get rid of it? |
| 14:13.00 | babilen | johnfg: Update from what to what? Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 14:13.30 | boudiccas | well, thats just great! i installed knode yesterday to read my newsgroups with, i've just started it, and i've got a grey box saying Configure Knode at the top, some buttons to press, but no dialogue, and a perfectly fromed knode window too. how do i configure something without its wizard? this is on wheezy |
| 14:14.09 | lxsameer | what is the best way to be sure that a bash snippet is running in a debian box ? |
| 14:14.14 | babilen | johnfg: And are you referring to an "Accessibility" icon? |
| 14:14.19 | ChrisH | Eagleman: The user/PW combination os correct? verified and no keyboard mapping issue visible? can you ssh on the server? ssh user@localhost? and ssh -vv must work |
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| 14:15.01 | Eagleman | -vv shows me a list of commands |
| 14:15.02 | babilen | lxsameer: Please elaborate -- running as in actively running? Or something else? |
| 14:15.33 | lxsameer | babilen: i want to specify that , am i in a debian box or not via a bash script |
| 14:15.38 | tremon | Eagleman: ssh -vv {host}, not just ssh -vv |
| 14:16.16 | babilen | lxsameer: You want to detect the distribution you are running on? |
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| 14:16.26 | themill | lxsameer: there's no definitive way of doing this. Why do you want to do this? |
| 14:16.28 | lxsameer | babilen: yup |
| 14:16.32 | Eagleman | tremon i just logged in doing that, but on puty it fails |
| 14:16.44 | boudiccas | if i close the grey box with the wizard and try to configure it from teh main window, it just opens the wizard dialogue box again which si still grey! |
| 14:17.05 | themill | boudiccas: #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net might be a better place to ask |
| 14:17.12 | tremon | Eagleman: so, ssh is connecting fine but only putty isn't? |
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| 14:17.27 | lxsameer | themill: yes |
| 14:17.28 | boudiccas | babilen: okay, thanks |
| 14:17.40 | Eagleman | yes tremon |
| 14:17.43 | themill | lxsameer: I don't think "yes" answers anything I said |
| 14:17.48 | babilen | lxsameer: Take a look at lsb_release |
| 14:17.49 | themill | lxsameer: the better option is normally to test for the presence (or absence) of the functionality you need rather than trying to identify what you're running on |
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| 14:18.10 | lxsameer | themill: babilen thanks |
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| 14:18.32 | babilen | lxsameer: But why is it important? What are you really trying to do and how is this a Debian specific issue? |
| 14:18.33 | lxsameer | babilen: where is lsb_release? |
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| 14:18.42 | tremon | did you tell putty to connect via ssh, not any of the other protocols it supports? Also, are you connecting to the right server? Even a failed login attempt should be visible in auth.log |
| 14:18.56 | lxsameer | babilen: i want to check the "apt" presence |
| 14:19.02 | themill | lxsameer: lsb_release won't necessarily be installed. Can you tell us why you want this information |
| 14:19.20 | babilen | lxsameer: Why don't you check for "apt" presence then? And read "/msg dpkg apt-file" |
| 14:19.21 | themill | lxsameer: if [ -x /usr/bin/apt-get ]; then ... fi |
| 14:19.26 | Eagleman | hmm i read the wrong ip address |
| 14:19.33 | Eagleman | i feel so dumb.. |
| 14:19.41 | lxsameer | themill: thanks man |
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| 14:29.50 | Eagleman | Do you advise using the UUID to mount a harddisk or just the name? |
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| 14:35.16 | ChrisH | Eagleman: I personally perfer LVM over all. But UUID has advantages over devicefile. Especially if you plan to do some HW modifications over the time. |
| 14:35.18 | jelly | Eagleman: UUIDs are ok, LABELs are usable if you take care not to have duplicates |
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| 14:36.51 | Eagleman | I am using virtual harddisks within esxi |
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| 14:44.00 | fmerges | hello |
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| 14:44.39 | alex- | Is there any way how I can move the swap data to the ram? |
| 14:44.49 | tremon | alex-: swapoff -a |
| 14:45.21 | tremon | be aware, that may trigger the oom-killer |
| 14:45.36 | alex- | oom-killer? |
| 14:45.42 | alex- | I have 72 MB in my swap |
| 14:45.55 | alex- | http://1.nl.eu.org/K2f.png |
| 14:45.57 | tremon | !tell alex about oom-killer |
| 14:46.06 | alex- | every time my system starts using swap, but it still haves enough ram left |
| 14:46.14 | ChrisH | alex-: What is yor ptoblem with swap in use? |
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| 14:46.29 | alex- | swap = slow |
| 14:46.44 | tremon | no, disk = slow |
| 14:46.47 | ChrisH | alex-: How did you detect its slow? |
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| 14:47.07 | llort | what does the debian installer write to fstab? uuids? labels? sdfoo? |
| 14:47.11 | alex- | because disk = slow |
| 14:47.15 | tremon | if you use more data than programs, linux will prefer to keep data in memory instead of programs |
| 14:47.22 | alex- | ChrisH: in-game performance of a gameserver |
| 14:47.24 | swaP | what |
| 14:47.25 | themill | alex-: are you sure it's actually waiting on swap and not just being proactive about memory usage? |
| 14:47.28 | tremon | so it will swap out unused programs |
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| 14:47.33 | swaP | my name |
| 14:47.37 | themill | swaP: might be a good time to pick a different nick |
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| 14:47.46 | themill | !am I swapping |
| 14:47.47 | dpkg | Run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines. If the "so" column is not 0s all the time, then you are swapping. |
| 14:47.52 | swaP | you have highlighted me |
| 14:48.00 | swaP | xD |
| 14:48.02 | swaP | oh well |
| 14:48.06 | swaP | ./disablehighlights |
| 14:48.07 | swaP | brb |
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| 14:48.28 | alex- | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- |
| 14:48.29 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.31 | alex- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.33 | tremon | !paste |
| 14:48.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:48.57 | alex- | https://paste.nl.eu.org/JQsC2KTl |
| 14:50.13 | tremon | alex-: you still haven't answered chrish' question, why is swap usage a problem? |
| 14:50.27 | ChrisH | alex-: Once more, where is your problem? the pasted stuff shows an idle server, |
| 14:50.28 | alex- | because it makes my gameservers slow |
| 14:50.44 | alex- | and more than 300 mb gets swapped after some time |
| 14:50.47 | alex- | even 400 |
| 14:50.50 | tremon | then why did you create swap paritions anyway? |
| 14:50.59 | alex- | if I ever run out of ram |
| 14:51.03 | themill | alex-: you can see in that output that swap isn't being used |
| 14:51.13 | alex- | now not |
| 14:51.18 | alex- | but in a few days it is used |
| 14:51.28 | alex- | (according to htop) |
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| 14:51.35 | tremon | again, why is that a problem? |
| 14:51.42 | alex- | because it makes my gameservers slow |
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| 14:52.00 | alex- | or isn't swap/ram the problem? |
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| 14:52.25 | tremon | that depends on what's being swapped out, and how you are measuring slowness |
| 14:53.23 | alex- | lag |
| 14:53.27 | alex- | of other people |
| 14:54.22 | tremon | for example, my machine has 156 processes in total, of which 155 are currently sleeping, and I estimate over 120 are sleeping almost 24/7. Why should linux keep all those sleepy processes in memory when it can also use the ram as a disk cache? |
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| 14:55.20 | ChrisH | alex-: 1. Please try to reduce the number of CR send. 2. Please try to write complete sentences. 3. I suggest to wait until you see the issue again and get back then. Swap used simply means some parts or even complete programms are moved to disk as they had not been used for a longer time. This frees up memory for the used/running processes. |
| 14:55.46 | alex- | cr send? i pressed enter to early accidently |
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| 14:56.35 | joar | how do I change the /tmp filesystem from tmpfs to regular storage? What's recommended besides tmpfs? |
| 14:56.44 | tremon | alex-: point being, latency is very hard to measure. The easiest way to test whether swap is affecting your server's performance is to turn off swap |
| 14:57.05 | ChrisH | joar: add a coressponding line to /etc/fstab and reboot the system |
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| 14:57.45 | joar | ChrisH: I don't have anything in there for /tmp, is it an implicit default to use tmpfs for /tmp? |
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| 14:57.59 | ChrisH | joar: AFAIK yes. |
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| 14:58.50 | ChrisH | joar: I allways create a lvol for tmp so I never tested it that way. |
| 14:59.16 | joar | ChrisH: lvol as in LVM volume? |
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| 14:59.57 | ChrisH | joar: yes |
| 15:00.00 | tremon | alex-: and if you really want to have more control over your processes (including swap usage), read http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cgroups/cgroups.txt |
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| 15:01.17 | joar | might be an easier option to change the location of the application's temporary storage. |
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| 15:02.10 | ChrisH | joar: depends on your application. If you can configure it easy... Anyhow LVM is usefull anywhere. |
| 15:02.27 | tremon | joar: the configuration is in /etc/default/tmpfs btw (RAMTMP) |
| 15:02.36 | joar | ChrisH: It's GNU MediaGoblin, a web application that transcodes video, images, audio. |
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| 15:13.36 | joshb | hi, 2 harddisks have crashed in recent weeks with messages like [518.816177] ata3.00: cmd c8/00:08:b0(...) tag 0 dma 131072 in (....)]. I bought a third and now i get the same messages. Any ideas what this is ? (is it even the HD, or is it RAM ?) |
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| 15:14.51 | ChrisH | joar: can you pastebin more from dmesg and smartctl -a from all Disks? It can be cable and/or controller too |
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| 15:16.14 | joar | ChrisH: I'm pretty sure it's /tmp, it's 199M and I'm trying to upload a >500M file to the service. |
| 15:16.33 | joar | ChrisH: I'll try to solve it on a software level first. |
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| 15:18.25 | diroots | hi there, on a squeeze box, I need the last ffmpeg version, so I installed the unstable debian-multimedia repository (as well as debian unstable ones, setting up my apt/preferences not to break all) on the debian-multimedia page, it says there is ffmpeg version 7:0.11.2, and when I install it with apt-get install -t unstable, I get the 7:0.10.5 version. do anyone of has any idea why I do not get the announced version? |
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| 15:19.29 | ksk | ,versions ffmpeg |
| 15:19.30 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny3; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1; squeeze: 4:0.5.6-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-security: 4:0.5.9-1; squeeze-backports: 4:0.8-2~bpo60+1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.12-0.0; wheezy-multimedia: 5:0.10.2-0.3; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 6:0.8.3-7; wheezy: |
| 15:19.31 | judd | 6:0.8.3-7; sid-multimedia: 7:0.11.2-dmo1 |
| 15:19.43 | ksk | does this answer your question?^^ |
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| 15:20.25 | ksk | did you do aptitude update? maybe your mirror is outdated? |
| 15:21.42 | diroots | ksk: I believe this is an outdated mirror, as, of course, as I added the repositories, I did an update before installing |
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| 15:23.35 | themill | diroots: note that ffmpeg in debian is just a transitional package to get you libav-tools. There's little point in comparing versions of it. |
| 15:24.11 | themill | diroots: also, don't mix packages for different releases like that. You shouldn't be using packages from dmm's unstable repo on a squeeze machine. |
| 15:24.47 | themill | (and yes, most of the deb-multimedia repos seem to be broken... yet another reason to avoid this paragon of packaging excellence) |
| 15:26.00 | Otizlan | themill: is vlc from deb-multimedia broken? |
| 15:26.54 | themill | Otizlan: no idea. A good portion of bug reports that debian received to do with broken multimedia stuff comes from people using dmm packages and then wondering why that breaks other stuff. |
| 15:27.13 | Otizlan | themill: thks |
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| 15:28.18 | Otizlan | themill: i tried to purge the vlc from deb-multimedia and install the one from debian repo but to no avail as i couldn't get vlc to open |
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| 15:30.02 | diroots | themill: I need this version for some conversion features available only in the 0.11 branche |
| 15:30.03 | spiekey | hello! |
| 15:30.19 | spiekey | why does a bridge on top of bonding not work? |
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| 15:33.40 | johnfg | babilen: Yes, I'm running squeeze, and I guess just an update, the ones that showed up yesterday. |
| 15:35.44 | johnfg | For some unknown reason, after an update recently, an Universal Access Preferences icon is appearing in the upper right hand corner of my gnome desktop (on squeeze). |
| 15:36.09 | johnfg | babilen: What I just re-entered is the unwanted icon. |
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| 15:36.35 | babilen | johnfg: Can you disable it somewhere in gnome-control-center → accessibility ? |
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| 15:37.05 | boudiccas | Otizlan: did you remove the deb-multimedia vlc, close apt-get, update and then try install vlc again? |
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| 15:37.47 | johnfg | babilen: Not that I've found. That's the problem. Just unneeded, unwanted clutter I'd like to get rid of. |
| 15:38.08 | Otizlan | boudiccas: yes. i suspect that the problem occurred after one of update. i'm on debian wheezy |
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| 15:39.18 | Otizlan | boudiccas: at the moment i'm compiling from git, so i'll see what happened. i check my sid version in a chroot jail, and the vlc worked fine |
| 15:39.47 | boudiccas | itizso am i, but i havent installed vlc yet, to try it out |
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| 15:40.48 | babilen | Otizlan: Please remove *all* packages from dmm -- List them with the command in "/msg dpkg dmm list" and subsitute "search" with "purge" in there to purge them. Try reinstalling vlc from the Debian repositories (it definitely opens). You can also try installing a newer version from squeeze-backports (/msg dpkg bdo) |
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| 15:41.29 | boudiccas | Otizlan: oh, i have, and it opens aoky too |
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| 15:41.51 | babilen | Otizlan: You have to make sure that dmm is enabled in your sources.list for the removal to work and the packages from dmm need to be the current version. After you've done that remove dmm from /etc/apt/sources.list and never touch it again. |
| 15:41.56 | Otizlan | babilen: thks for the tips. i will try that after i have done my git version of vlc. |
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| 15:42.52 | babilen | Otizlan: That one might be still be compiled against the wrong libraries (i.e. dmm ones), but meh. Also make sure to install it to /usr/local (/me recommend "/msg dpkg stow" / "/msg dpkg stow usage" for managing that) |
| 15:43.53 | Otizlan | babilen: that is my intention, to install it to /usr/local just to test it. |
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| 15:46.57 | LtL | Is anyone getting this from security.debian.org > connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:4f8:8:36::6 80] |
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| 15:48.03 | LtL | i think their ipv6 is borked |
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| 15:50.42 | LtL | hrm, now it worked, sketchy... nm :) |
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| 15:52.49 | LtL | that was my first question in about 7 years, wheee |
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| 15:56.10 | LtL | the package wasn't authenticated for what it's worth. |
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| 15:57.23 | joshb | ftr after an error like "[518.816177] ata3.00: cmd c8/00:08:b0(...) tag 0 dma 131072 in (....)], my system is now so broken it does not even load into BIOS just stays blank, the fan does come on and the HD makes noises. It's all fairly new equipment & a new HD. On I'net there is some talk of similar errors and kernel bugs. |
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| 15:59.20 | LtL | joshb: bad hard drive maybe? |
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| 15:59.49 | joshb | LtL: that is what I thought too, but i don't think so because this is the 3rd HD in like 3 weeks and this one is just hours old. |
| 16:00.10 | LtL | joshb: third hdd!!! |
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| 16:00.28 | LtL | joshb: that's kind of unusual |
| 16:00.56 | LtL | joshb: maybe the controller then, what brand hdd is it |
| 16:01.00 | joshb | I was wondering whether it is RAM though, so that switching HDs doesn't even help. I have to bring the machine to the shop now I guess. It is unusual, i never crashed a HD before in maybe 15 years of using Debian (iirc). |
| 16:01.11 | joshb | Seagate |
| 16:01.44 | LtL | joshb: seagate is usually good, very strange |
| 16:02.01 | joshb | on I'net is some talk of similar errors, where Debian gave these errors but other OSs didn't |
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| 16:02.20 | joshb | LtL: I hope that means i can still use all these HDs then :), maybe they're all still good. |
| 16:03.15 | LtL | joshb: that would be nice, it would be nice if you had a spare box to try the hdd's on. |
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| 16:03.34 | joshb | hmm.... actually i do, the one i type this on |
| 16:04.10 | LtL | joshb: sounds more like a controller issue then but hard to tell. |
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| 16:08.33 | joshb | maybe, the Debian installation i had was working for some time so it's a bit hard to see how it can be the kernel then all of a sudden |
| 16:09.46 | LtL | joshb: try a different OS and rule out a debian problem, or you've found a bug |
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| 16:10.33 | LtL | joshb: i don't know what other option you have next to a visit to the shop. |
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| 16:11.09 | joshb | LtL: i could perhaps drop in a old knoppix CD, but atm the box does nothing at all ;) |
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| 16:14.52 | LtL | joshb: I haven't heard nor seen an eror like that recently, but that means nothing. try the knoppix cd |
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| 16:15.29 | joshb | i'll first have to bring this box back to the shop because it doesn't even go into the BIOS |
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| 16:15.57 | LtL | joshb: meh, thats not good, gotta be hardware |
| 16:16.54 | joshb | which btw happened before to a lesser degree then now and it recovered; now it even does nothing for 3 seconds, then the fan comes on and that's it, only shuts down by keeping on/off pressed for 3 seconds |
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| 16:17.15 | llort | I just installed debian testing on an encrypted lvm, but now I can't boot because my usb keyboard isn't working at the password prompt. i selected targeted initrd during install, can that be the cause? |
| 16:17.37 | joshb | i wondered if somehow the BIOS was corrupted through the software, i guess they could find more at the shop or whatever |
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| 16:18.39 | joshb | LtL: on the I'net this problem also was reported to be not that repeatable; don't know what it means but maybe it is hardware related. |
| 16:18.49 | LtL | joshb: check all your connections, the BIOS could have been corrupted but thats pretty rare. |
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| 16:19.35 | joshb | already did, and it's not the first time my monitor is blank with this recently |
| 16:20.16 | joshb | i'll try to replug what i can, maybe it's static ??? |
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| 16:21.38 | LtL | joshb: static can easily destroy stuff, but it would stay bad and not likely be erratic, not sure at all. |
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| 16:22.30 | LtL | joshb: if it's a new machine i would send it back. |
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| 16:23.57 | joshb | it's moderately new, less then a year +- |
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| 16:24.47 | joshb | oh i replugged stuff; oh heh it says "Warning !!! The previous overclocking had failed, and system will restore its default setting. Press any key to continue...' lol |
| 16:25.10 | LtL | joshb: try popping the battery off the mobo and retry or get it to a shop to test, wish you luck on that one. |
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| 16:25.19 | joshb | i replugged, switched on, the fan came on for a second, then it stopped, then came on again & went into the BIOS with this error in red |
| 16:25.39 | joshb | i never did any 'overclocking' on anything, though |
| 16:26.33 | LtL | joshb: you're CMOS is bad or some hardware is bad, a warranty would authorize an RA on that i would think. thats a nasty error. |
| 16:26.52 | joshb | yes weird stuff lol |
| 16:27.29 | joshb | it's a PC plugged into the power grid, no battery that i know off, or you mean the clock battery on the motherboard |
| 16:28.03 | LtL | joshb: the clock battery, or use the mobo jumper to reset CMOS |
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| 16:28.26 | joshb | heh, on reboot it is now booting Debian... |
| 16:28.47 | joshb | i'm at the login, curious |
| 16:28.54 | LtL | joshb: Very flaky though, something is amiss |
| 16:29.11 | joshb | yes sure is |
| 16:29.30 | joar | longs for GNOME 3.6 |
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| 16:29.44 | OltreIrc`59898 | ciao |
| 16:29.46 | OltreIrc`59898 | !list |
| 16:29.47 | dpkg | oltreirc`59898: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 16:29.54 | joshb | LtL: in a way that's worse, as in the shop it might work again, harder to find such erattic error |
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| 16:30.45 | LtL | joshb: well they probably know about the problem due to a batch of bad chips, call them up. |
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| 16:31.11 | joshb | ok good idea on that |
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| 16:31.30 | LtL | joshb: best of luck :) |
| 16:31.33 | hybridark | hey guys |
| 16:31.34 | hybridark | I've got a question for you |
| 16:31.38 | joshb | thankies =) |
| 16:31.41 | hybridark | do you know any program I can run on my Debian server that can be integrated with cron and compares files to show which of them were modified, added or deleted, and then e-mails this list to an e-mail address I configure? |
| 16:31.48 | hybridark | also if any file permission was changed |
| 16:32.23 | specing | hybridark: rsync -n -avu --itemize-changes |
| 16:32.29 | joshb | "someone on the Internet said it could be bad chips" hehe :), "can you pop me a new set in eh ?" |
| 16:32.31 | specing | to backups |
| 16:33.40 | hybridark | I mean, is there a complete software that integrates all the commands I could gather and create a bash script or I should just gather those commands and develop the script myself? |
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| 16:35.16 | LtL | joshb: could be a simple broken trace on the board, only a technician is gonna find it and then they'll just toss the whole board. |
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| 16:36.42 | joshb | LtL: i was installing x-windows when it died, this time i'm redoing that and it goes through; so that sortof seems to mean ... it's not that repeatable, doesn't seem to be a specific HD address or something |
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| 16:38.21 | LtL | joshb: my bet is the board is bad somewhere, heat is causing the erratic behavior, call the maker. get a freebie |
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| 16:40.12 | LtL | joshb: the CMOS error is intolerable, get a new one |
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| 16:41.18 | joshb | ah, it's behaving strange again ... froze up on reboot, hard-reset it boots with a fsck error; ok i'm glad i have at least some clue of what the problem is then. |
| 16:41.35 | Iridos | hybridark, to what end? |
| 16:41.50 | hybridark | check what was modified in the webserver |
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| 16:41.55 | hybridark | files, folders |
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| 16:42.15 | Iridos | I mean... for security reasons, there's tripwire since about a century or so |
| 16:42.17 | hybridark | and receive those reports through email |
| 16:42.27 | joshb | best guess is perhaps in the hardware leading into the HD, maybe they give me a new board we'll see |
| 16:42.35 | LtL | joshb: i've gotta run, get the board serial number, give the maker a call, get it replaced, i'm sure they've seen issues. |
| 16:42.58 | joshb | ok thx LtL, have a good one |
| 16:43.10 | LtL | joshb: you too |
| 16:45.04 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 16:45.38 | Nik05 | how can i copy files to a USB device with a progressbar or something? |
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| 16:47.33 | hybridark | no ideas? |
| 16:47.53 | hybridark | should I just use rsync, diff and sendmail then? |
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| 17:03.49 | jrm-rnl | I'm having trouble moving a squeeze installation into a new HDD |
| 17:04.13 | jrm-rnl | I get dropped to initramfs |
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| 17:05.03 | jrm-rnl | says mount: mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/<long-string> on /root failed: No such device |
| 17:05.36 | jrm-rnl | but it's there |
| 17:05.48 | jrm-rnl | it's an ext4 filesystem |
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| 17:06.02 | superstraw | so I have an acer aspire 5516, can't get any linux distro to install to it. Is it possible to just format the drive, copy over the system files, install grub, etc. to get it going instead of installing via cd? |
| 17:06.23 | superstraw | or some similar way? |
| 17:06.37 | jrm-rnl | superstraw: That should do it, yes. |
| 17:06.44 | ksk | sure, thats a possible way to install |
| 17:06.46 | jrm-rnl | It's what I'm doing right now |
| 17:06.49 | superstraw | live cd's wont work, but I have this one linux system rescue disk that does... |
| 17:06.53 | superstraw | oh ok sweet. |
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| 17:07.04 | jrm-rnl | you can also use deboostrap |
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| 17:07.10 | julius_ | hi |
| 17:07.13 | jrm-rnl | from the livecd |
| 17:07.13 | superstraw | sounds funny, will google it. |
| 17:07.25 | julius_ | any idea how one could get rid of the .0 in this calculation? echo "scale=1; (1/3)*1760" | bc -l |
| 17:07.35 | superstraw | oh thats hot |
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| 17:08.00 | superstraw | thx all |
| 17:08.11 | themill | jrm-rnl: so if you try to mount it manually form the initramfs shell does it work? |
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| 17:10.40 | jrm-rnl | themill: nevermind, I found the problem |
| 17:10.45 | jrm-rnl | targeted initramfs |
| 17:11.01 | jrm-rnl | doesn't have ext4 support because it didn't need it befor |
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| 17:11.36 | themill | so it's not "just moving a drive" then :) it's also a new / or /boot or something |
| 17:11.37 | jrm-rnl | I'll have to chroot into the system from a livecd and rebuild the initramfs |
| 17:11.43 | themill | yeah |
| 17:12.12 | jrm-rnl | it's moving the whole system to a new drive |
| 17:12.43 | jrm-rnl | it's a VM actually; wanted to increase the size of the virtual hdd |
| 17:12.54 | jrm-rnl | made the new / ext4 while I was at it |
| 17:13.16 | jrm-rnl | didn't know this had a targeted initrd |
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| 17:15.19 | jrm-rnl | TIL about Debian Live. I'm using its rescue flavor and liking it so far |
| 17:15.31 | jrm-rnl | except for the appaling lack of emacs |
| 17:16.27 | nkuttler | Debian is all the OS you need |
| 17:16.56 | jrm-rnl | Debian is a great emacs hypervisor |
| 17:17.00 | themill | heh |
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| 17:17.06 | esing | hi |
| 17:17.17 | esing | Why do I not find the package for BeautifulSoup4? I tried apt-get install python-beautifulsoup4 |
| 17:17.44 | nkuttler | jrm-rnl: kidding aside, vim's userbase is 10 times bigger according to popcon, that's probably why |
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| 17:18.02 | nkuttler | esing: apt-cache search beautifulsoup |
| 17:18.13 | themill | esing: debian python modules generally don't have numbers like that because there's no way of installing more than module at a time anyway |
| 17:18.27 | themill | (and version 4 of beautifulsoup isn't packaged at all) |
| 17:20.21 | themill | esing: that said, beautifulsoup has changed its module name hence package name... look at python-bs4 |
| 17:20.25 | babilen | esing: You almost certainly want to install it with pip in a virtualenv |
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| 17:20.38 | jrm-rnl | IIRC python has a dedicated package manager/fetcher, was called cheeseshop or something |
| 17:20.49 | themill | ,i python-bs4 sid |
| 17:20.50 | judd | Package python-bs4 (python, optional) in sid/i386: error-tolerant HTML parser for Python. Version: 4.1.0-1; Size: 74.9k; Installed: 336k; Homepage: http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup |
| 17:20.52 | nkuttler | jrm-rnl: pip, easy_install |
| 17:20.56 | esing | Um Iam confused |
| 17:21.03 | esing | babilen Why in a vertualenv? |
| 17:21.10 | themill | esing: which version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:21.12 | esing | themill python-bs4 also does no work |
| 17:21.19 | esing | themil Debian 6 |
| 17:21.24 | nkuttler | jrm-rnl: not recommended on #debian though |
| 17:22.07 | babilen | esing: Because it allows you to setup virtual environment that don't interfere with each other or with the system. It is IMHO the only sane way to develop in Python if you have to use various different module or Python versions. |
| 17:22.29 | nkuttler | virtualenv++ |
| 17:22.58 | themill | cluebatting upstreams into developing stable APIs so that you don't need 3 different versions of the same library is also allowed |
| 17:24.22 | esing | babilen So installing BeautifulSoup3 with apt-get install would not be in a virtualenv either and not good? |
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| 17:25.45 | esing | babilen I have never work with a virtualenv in linux so Iam not sure if that is what I want, Iam afraid that I have to read much more up |
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| 17:27.58 | jrm-rnl | and "update-initramfs -u" later, it's booting beautifully |
| 17:30.31 | esing | babilen and nkuttler what about this? " you can download the Beautiful Soup 4 source tarball and install it with setup.py." |
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| 17:30.52 | esing | http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/bs4/doc/#installing-beautiful-soup |
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| 17:31.37 | esing | Will I have any disadvantage having BS4 in a virualenvü++ ? |
| 17:31.47 | esing | Also can you link me an instruction for the virtualenv |
| 17:32.10 | babilen | esing: Please don't do that. Virtualenv's allow you to do exactly that but in a virtual environment. That way you won't overwrite any important system files. See http://www.virtualenv.org/en/latest/index.html for details and http://www.doughellmann.com/projects/virtualenvwrapper/ to make it easier. |
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| 17:32.34 | esing | babilen Thanks |
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| 17:34.55 | esing | babilen Iam doing only 1 small 15 line script, Iam not sure if a virtualenv would be overkill? |
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| 17:35.44 | esing | Afaiunderstood the only advantage with the virtualenv is that I don't overwrite my system files (that I will actually never do) |
| 17:37.03 | babilen | esing: It never is if you have to install modules that interfere with system ones (or are not installable) -- Another option would be to install bs4 in your home directory (PEP 370 style) but IMHO a virtualenv is easier. |
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| 17:37.49 | jrm-rnl | it looks pretty simple from what I see on the virtualenv webpage |
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| 17:38.22 | esing | I would first have to know how to install pip on debian |
| 17:38.28 | babilen | esing: Also read PEP 405 -- but this is really rather on-topic in #python and you might want to read http://docs.python.org/install/index.html as well. My recommendation is to use virtualenvs, but if you don't like that you can install it into your user-dir. |
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| 17:38.55 | jsimonet | hello everybody, i've a problem with my debian stable server : i want to set up ipv6; it's normally automatic but it doen't work... I've my pc on debian testing, and ipv6 works correctly. Do you have any ideas ? |
| 17:39.06 | esing | babilen How would I install it into my user dir? |
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| 17:39.45 | babilen | esing: Read the links I've pointed you to. But seriously: Just install python-pip and python-virtualenv from backports or squeeze (/msg dpkg bdo) and use virtualenvs. |
| 17:39.46 | esing | Is this correct to install pip? apt-get install python-pip python-dev build-essential |
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| 17:40.35 | babilen | esing: You only need to install python-pip and python-virtualenv. I'd recommend to install them from backports as that will get you newer versions -- http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ |
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| 17:42.34 | jrm-rnl | is debian.net part of Debian? |
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| 17:43.24 | babilen | jrm-rnl: yes |
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| 17:44.07 | jrm-rnl | the redirect to debian.org had me confused |
| 17:44.49 | babilen | esing: And check virtualenvwrapper for easier handling of virtualenv's ... but I've mentioned that already and you just have to read. |
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| 17:45.21 | jrm-rnl | thought it might've been something like ubuntuforums.org is to Ubuntu |
| 17:45.31 | jrm-rnl | thanks, babilen |
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| 17:46.28 | esing | babilen So I don't need these packages for pip to work? python-dev build-essential |
| 17:46.58 | esing | babilen I did apt-get -t squeeze-backports install python-pip |
| 17:47.24 | esing | So if backdoor already gives me the newest version I suppose I do not have to do this: pip install --upgrade pip |
| 17:47.48 | FGH` | is a virtual filesystem reqursred to do disk quota ? |
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| 17:49.43 | jordanm | FGH`: ext2/3/4 supports quotas |
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| 17:50.09 | joseph | If one wants to download debian for use in a virtual machine, is it better to use the i386 iso or the ia64 iso? I'm running Virtualbox (or VMWare) on Windows 7 64-bit. |
| 17:50.15 | ShaunR | can i use apt-get to update just a single package? |
| 17:50.22 | ShaunR | for example i'm wanting to just upgrade bind |
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| 17:50.54 | jordanm | joseph: ia64 is for intanium. you want amd64 |
| 17:51.02 | joseph | jordanm: Thank you! |
| 17:51.05 | jordanm | ShaunR: apt-get install <package> |
| 17:51.15 | jordanm | install will upgrade if an upgrade is available |
| 17:51.27 | somiaj | jordanm: you don' twant ia64 (unles you want to emulate a obscure old arch). If you want 64bit use amd64 |
| 17:51.30 | somiaj | joseph: ^^ |
| 17:51.54 | somiaj | joseph: i386 vs amd64 is if you want a 32bit or 64bit guest (most 64bits can run both) |
| 17:51.57 | jordanm | ia64 is a lot newer than i386 |
| 17:52.02 | joseph | Wow, 8 isos. |
| 17:52.13 | jordanm | !tell joseph about netinst |
| 17:52.16 | joseph | Thank you |
| 17:52.30 | ShaunR | jordanm: an apt-get upgrade shows bind in the list, but if i do apt-get install bind it doesnt upgrade |
| 17:52.31 | somiaj | yea guess I should have just called it obscure, it was a few year run of 64bit from intel |
| 17:52.48 | ShaunR | bah... |
| 17:52.53 | ShaunR | n/m i spelled the package wrong |
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| 17:53.08 | joseph | I originally learned how to use linux via debian. Looking forward to rekindling our relationship. |
| 17:53.09 | esing | babilen Iam already stuck... I installed pip with backdoor and then used pip install --upgrade pip and I get the response that there is no such file or directory. WHat should I do ? |
| 17:53.31 | jordanm | ShaunR: the name of the package is "bind9" |
| 17:53.56 | ShaunR | ya, just realized that |
| 17:54.10 | esing | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.19 | ShaunR | is there a way to see what CVE patches have been applied to a package |
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| 17:58.29 | jhutchins_wk | How do you tell udev to rescan hardware (to pick up a different eth name)? |
| 17:58.48 | somiaj | ShaunR: debian source packages provide you both the original upstream source and all patches debian applied to it. You can see some info in the package on packages.debian.org, but the best way is to actually look at the source package (apt-get source foo if you have the right deb-src lines) |
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| 17:59.13 | tremon | jhutchins_wk: udevadm trigger, check the manpage, you can limit it to certain devices/classes |
| 17:59.47 | ShaunR | I'm just used to the RPM system were i do rpm -q <package --changelog |grep CVE |
| 17:59.54 | ShaunR | was wondering if there was somthing simular |
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| 18:00.07 | somiaj | ShaunR: I guess for CVE pataches in paticular you can also just look at the DSA mailing list and its archives. Should be able to see search that |
| 18:00.27 | somiaj | ShaunR: the changelog should be in /usr/share/doc/packagename -- So yea you can check that too. |
| 18:00.30 | themill | ShaunR: apt-listchanges can do that for you at install time or from a .deb you've already downloaded |
| 18:01.00 | themill | dpkg: tell ShaunR about apt-listchanges |
| 18:01.10 | tremon | there's also aptitude changelog |
| 18:01.26 | themill | that often fails for security updates |
| 18:01.41 | somiaj | seems there is a patchtracker you can link to from packages.debian.org if you want an online resource. |
| 18:01.48 | tremon | ah, didn't realize that |
| 18:02.10 | tremon | that's kinda odd though, that it's not mandatory to include CVE numbers in the changelog entries |
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| 18:02.36 | themill | tremon: it's certainly considered best practice and the security team does so for stable-security |
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| 18:04.28 | alyosha | hi, i'm having trubles with instaling a program |
| 18:04.32 | alyosha | i get this error |
| 18:04.33 | alyosha | checking for pygtk 2.24 installed... not found |
| 18:04.33 | alyosha | configure: error: required pygtk version not found |
| 18:04.39 | esing | babilen Iam already stuck... I installed pip with backdoor and then used pip install --upgrade pip and I get the response that there is no such file or directory. WHat should I do ? |
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| 18:04.51 | esing | *backports |
| 18:05.01 | alyosha | i installed a lot of python stuff but it didn't helped |
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| 18:06.13 | somiaj | alyosha: look though the configure log generated and see if it can't find pygtk or if you just have the wrong version. |
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| 18:07.33 | somiaj | you most likely need the python-gtk2-dev package |
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| 18:10.57 | alyosha | somiaj, i tryed installin that package but there was no sucsess |
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| 18:33.28 | sliddjur_ | ls /hh > lsoutput2.txt why does this give me an error and dont output the error to given file? |
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| 18:35.12 | divbell | because you are only redirecting stdout |
| 18:35.29 | divbell | the error is coming on stderr |
| 18:35.40 | divbell | ls /hh > lsoutput2.txt 2>&1 |
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| 18:36.41 | xcess | Hi, I am using debian testing with awesome-wm. I would like to change the default font of xterm to DejaVu but it's not working. I created a very simple .Xresources file and used xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources. But when I open a new terminal it still shows the default font. Any ideas ? |
| 18:36.43 | sliddjur_ | 2>&1 is to include error or to output stderr instead? |
| 18:37.23 | sliddjur_ | divbell: and also, it is still creating the file ? |
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| 18:37.52 | xand | sliddjur_: it redirects stderr to stdout.... and then they both go to the txt file |
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| 18:40.26 | xcess | ± |
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| 18:44.02 | Tree_Hugger | what software do you guys use to burn installation .ISO to usb? |
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| 18:45.15 | divbell | cp |
| 18:45.25 | divbell | or dd |
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| 18:48.15 | Tree_Hugger | spell them out..lol |
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| 18:48.25 | Tree_Hugger | cp means copy n paste? |
| 18:48.27 | Tree_Hugger | :p |
| 18:48.34 | Tree_Hugger | DD means double damage? |
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| 18:50.05 | nkuttler | Tree_Hugger: man cp, man dd |
| 18:50.08 | nkuttler | !tell Tree_Hugger about ig |
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| 18:51.59 | Tree_Hugger | you sent me a message, what was it? |
| 18:52.10 | Tree_Hugger | sorry client crashed |
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| 18:56.09 | tremon | !tell Tree_Hugger about usb install |
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| 18:59.36 | xcess | Hi, I am using debian testing with awesome-wm. I would like to change the default font of xterm to DejaVu but it's not working. I created a very simple .Xresources file and used xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources. But when I open a new terminal it still shows the default font. Any ideas ? |
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| 19:02.38 | babilen | xcess: Use a correct ~/.Xresources file -- See http://paste.debian.net/193713/ for inspiration |
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| 19:05.11 | babilen | xcess: Oh, that is for urxvt-unicode (urxvt) -- For some reason I always assume that people would use that when they mention xterm. |
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| 19:39.47 | sliddjur_ | grep test /etc/passwd | cat > log.log 2> error.log what am i doing wrong here? |
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| 19:40.36 | tremon | sliddjur_: for one, gratuitous use of cat |
| 19:40.39 | jordanm | grep 'test' /etc/passwd > log.log 2> error.log |
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| 19:41.02 | themill | "getent passwd username" ftw |
| 19:41.20 | jordanm | yes, getent is preferred |
| 19:41.23 | tremon | second, cat - never outputs anything to stderr |
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| 19:43.22 | xcess | i get xterm: cannot load the font DejaVu Sans Mono when using xterm -fa mono. I am wondering where exactly should this font be in order to be located by xterm. |
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| 19:44.11 | nkuttler | xcess: works for me.. did you install the font? |
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| 19:44.59 | xcess | nkuttler: yes, the font is available in /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
| 19:45.39 | nkuttler | xcess: did you install it during the current x session? |
| 19:46.06 | xcess | nkuttler: not in current session |
| 19:46.50 | xcess | nkuttler: I guess I installed it after installing X |
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| 19:47.17 | nkuttler | xcess: does it appear in fc-list | grep Deja ? |
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| 19:48.01 | xcess | nkuttler: yes, it does |
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| 19:48.24 | nkuttler | xcess: no idea then |
| 19:48.38 | nkuttler | xcess: which command did you use? |
| 19:49.00 | xcess | nkuttler: which command ? |
| 19:49.06 | nkuttler | xcess: to run xterm |
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| 19:49.20 | xcess | nkuttler: xterm -fa mono |
| 19:49.48 | nkuttler | that doesn't seem right... try xterm -fa "DejaVu Sans Mono" |
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| 19:51.02 | xcess | nkuttler: same error. it seems it is able to detect the correct font but couldn't locate it. |
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| 19:51.24 | nkuttler | xcess: yeah, no idea then |
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| 19:52.27 | bluesm | I can do this '/home/pawel/android-sdk-linux/tools/android' |
| 19:52.36 | bluesm | But how can I run the script. |
| 19:52.53 | bluesm | When I am actually in 'tools'. |
| 19:53.05 | bluesm | Not passing entire path ? |
| 19:53.09 | nkuttler | bluesm: ./path/to/bah |
| 19:53.13 | nkuttler | relative path |
| 19:53.35 | tremon | bluesm |
| 19:53.44 | tremon | bluesm: also |
| 19:53.50 | tremon | bluesm: you seem |
| 19:53.56 | tremon | bluesm: short of breath |
| 19:54.13 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.16 | bluesm | .android ? |
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| 19:54.24 | bluesm | Then If I want to run android ? |
| 19:54.28 | bluesm | this not works. |
| 19:55.13 | bluesm | I'm there ''/home/pawel/android-sdk-linux/tools" I want to execute "android" which is in the actual "tools" folder. |
| 19:55.31 | joshb | if 'android' is a the script, you run it ./android from /tools/ |
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| 19:56.07 | bluesm | joshb: Ok. It works for me. |
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| 19:56.16 | bluesm | joshb: But why I can't simply said "android" ? |
| 19:56.26 | bluesm | why "./" ? |
| 19:56.42 | nkuttler | bluesm: because of your PATH variable |
| 19:56.53 | joshb | bluesm: "./" causes it to be found in that directory, just blank "android" and it will be searched in the directories mentioned in the $PATH variable |
| 19:57.04 | nkuttler | !tell bluesm about path |
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| 19:57.39 | afidegnum | hello, how are you this evening, |
| 19:57.40 | afidegnum | ? |
| 19:58.08 | afidegnum | I am trying to install django into my system, what db do you suggest me to use for my django installation? |
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| 19:58.21 | joshb | ".android" is a filename, the preceding dot means it will usually not be listed by `ls` |
| 19:58.31 | jelly-home | afidegnum: does it support postgres? |
| 19:58.34 | nkuttler | afidegnum: sqlite is good for trying things out. also #django |
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| 19:58.51 | bluesm | Ok... |
| 19:58.59 | afidegnum | ok, I am using large contents |
| 19:59.02 | joshb | bluesm: "./" means the current directory, "../" means the directory above the one you are |
| 19:59.26 | themill | afidegnum: django is already packaged -- apt-cache search django; aptitude install packagename. |
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| 19:59.34 | bluesm | "./foo" - open foo file. |
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| 19:59.46 | bluesm | "foo" run program foo ? |
| 19:59.53 | afidegnum | ah ok, |
| 19:59.53 | joshb | bluesm: "./foo" - *run* foo; yes |
| 20:00.04 | afidegnum | I am using debian squeeze anyway |
| 20:00.50 | joshb | bluesm: just for fun you could try ../tools/android, see if it runs it too |
| 20:00.51 | themill | afidegnum: sure. 1.2 is in squeeze and 1.4 is in squeeze-backports. If you need the newer django, /msg dpkg bpo. |
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| 20:01.00 | nkuttler | afidegnum: django in squeeze is ancient and not really supported in #django (where you should be heading now) |
| 20:01.29 | themill | (anything packaged in squeeze will probably require the old django) |
| 20:02.14 | bluesm | joshb: It run. |
| 20:02.26 | bluesm | joshb: I get this. I think. |
| 20:02.34 | bluesm | Thank you all very very much :) |
| 20:02.45 | joshb | bluesm: maybe ./../tools/./../tools/android would too :) |
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| 20:03.10 | bluesm | joshb: Not relative path run. |
| 20:03.25 | bluesm | joshb: I know. |
| 20:03.41 | Devastator | ,pciid [0x0a5c:219c] |
| 20:03.42 | judd | [0a5c:219c] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in squeeze or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0a5c:219c |
| 20:03.50 | bluesm | joshb: You are teasing with me :) |
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| 20:04.46 | joshb | bluesm: that didn't work ? i tried it here and it works too :) playing a bit inhances confidence i guess |
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| 20:05.51 | steampunkey | i can't find this package using apt-cache search, confirm? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/ov51x-jpeg-source |
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| 20:06.50 | bluesm | joshb: It works. I understand ."./" but why is necessary to prefix "./" files in current folder :) |
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| 20:07.36 | joshb | bluesm: because you will more rarely want to run scripts in the current folder, and more often run programs in $PATH i guess |
| 20:08.12 | themill | steampunkey: that package doesn't actually exist |
| 20:08.43 | bluesm | joshb: Ok . Thank you very very very much :) |
| 20:08.49 | nkuttler | bluesm: it would also be terrible for security, executing scripts or programs from random directories |
| 20:09.00 | joshb | bluesm: =) np, it's no effort really |
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| 20:09.49 | themill | bluesm: imagine I dropped a nice little script called "ls" in your /tmp and you were to then "cd /tmp; ls" to have a look at it... do you still want the system to pick up things in the current directory? |
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| 20:11.01 | steampunkey | themill: it used to. how come not? how come it's there in the doc? |
| 20:11.22 | themill | ,bug 680254 |
| 20:11.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/680254 in ftp.debian.org (done): «RM: ov51x-jpeg -- ROM; deprecated; unmaintained; superseded»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-07-04; last modified: 2012-08-02. |
| 20:12.10 | steampunkey | themill: how come it's in the docs? btw. my cam shows all green. didn't when i had ov51x |
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| 20:12.26 | themill | steampunkey: packages.d.o sometimes picks up old crap that has actually been removed. Sometimes it exists on debian-ports.org or something silly like that, sometimes packages.d.o just does stupid things. It's annoying but there are only a couple of people who understand that code.. |
| 20:12.58 | bluesm | themill: good... |
| 20:13.03 | bluesm | themill: It's a point. |
| 20:13.24 | bluesm | themill: Great example. Thanks ) |
| 20:13.26 | bluesm | themill: :) |
| 20:14.22 | joshb | bluesm: if you want "android" to pick up hte current directory: PATH=${PATH}:./ in zsh at least, it then searches the current directory also (at least in zsh) |
| 20:14.26 | themill | steampunkey: the maintainer claims that libv4l is the successor to that package. No idea if that helps you. |
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| 20:15.18 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.27 | joshb | bluesm: *the |
| 20:17.04 | bluesm | joshb: zsh? |
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| 20:17.12 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
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| 20:17.45 | joshb | bluesm: zsh is a shell, i find it the best one |
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| 20:18.48 | xcess_ | i am able to use dejavu with xterm using xtern -fa dejavu but don't know how to put this in Xresources. Using XTerm*renderFont DejaVu Sans Mono doesn't work. |
| 20:19.27 | themill | bluesm: the same syntax works for bash (the default shell). |
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| 20:21.44 | bluesm | joshb , themill: Ok Thank you very much :) |
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| 20:23.03 | joshb | bluesm: if you haven't already, buy a book on useful shell comands like ls, cat, man, vi ? |
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| 20:23.21 | jelly-home | zsh is nice as an interactive shell. horribly overfeatured, but thankfully most of the stuff is in loadable modules |
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| 20:24.04 | joshb | zsh can do everything :), i like the completion system for example; it sure don't feel overfeatures but it's fast |
| 20:25.07 | bluesm | joshb: Which book / |
| 20:25.07 | bluesm | ? |
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| 20:25.15 | tables | how can you make apt not ask you [Y/n] ? |
| 20:26.53 | joshb | bluesm: must be some book somewhere, just search for it ? i assume you are new to shell so maybe helpful to have a manual to get you started |
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| 20:27.29 | bluesm | joshb: I am going to read "debian handbook" |
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| 20:29.05 | joshb | bluesm: that sounds great, in my experience Debian is all you'd ever want to know - i've seen some others but wasn't worth it |
| 20:30.18 | bluesm | :) |
| 20:30.19 | specing | Gentoo :> |
| 20:30.27 | bluesm | Thanks for your support :) |
| 20:30.41 | joshb | good luck bluesm |
| 20:30.52 | themill | tables: what exact question do you have there? |
| 20:30.53 | afidegnum | ok hello, in fact before I prepare myself to learn the big learning curve, pleaase give me a hand |
| 20:31.21 | afidegnum | I need to set up django quick and start to work on that |
| 20:31.25 | afidegnum | I first need to import csv files and send newsletters |
| 20:31.40 | afidegnum | there will be features to post to facebook as well as newsletter system. |
| 20:32.00 | afidegnum | what should I do ? |
| 20:32.09 | themill | afidegnum: you mean you're intending to start writing an app using the django libraries? Ask in #django and read their tutorials. |
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| 20:32.45 | afidegnum | ok |
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| 20:51.25 | digitalirony | Like I can do 'ping ldap' and it resolves |
| 20:51.38 | digitalirony | but if i do 'ssh user@ldap' it says name or service not known |
| 20:52.06 | digitalirony | I am pretty sure this is something left over from nis, but I can't figure out what. My nsswitch.conf no longer has any nis or compat entries |
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| 21:20.54 | sean_ | Dear debian gods, I am trying to install via pxe server (tftp) I have tried 2 approaches 1 being to extract the netboot.tar.gz as described in the installation guide, and the other to directly point at the kernel and initrd.gz via my pxelinux.cfg/default |
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| 21:22.06 | sean_ | Both methods seems to download from the tftp server fine, the extracted tar gives me a boot menu but no keyboard seems to work to select the install (usb, ps2, usb legacy support) so then I set the timeout to 20 assuming I would auto-boot the default |
| 21:22.24 | ompaul | sean_: http://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 21:22.24 | sean_ | instead after the timeout I get a beep and then nothing. |
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| 21:23.51 | tremon | ,i debian-installer-6.0-netboot-amd64 |
| 21:23.52 | judd | Package debian-installer-6.0-netboot-amd64 (misc, optional) in squeeze/i386: Debian-installer network boot images for amd64. Version: 20110106.squeeze4.b1; Size: 30577.7k; Installed: 31424k |
| 21:23.58 | sean_ | ompau: thank you I've been through that.l |
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| 21:25.27 | sean_ | when I point the default directly at the kernel file it downloads the files and then starts to boot but hangs on the Probing EDD (edd=off to disable)... line |
| 21:25.30 | tremon | sean_: does your custom pxelinux cfg include a PROMPT directive? |
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| 21:27.01 | tremon | silently curses at lvm as fsck tells him his / filesystem now has 11 files left |
| 21:27.52 | specing | backup. |
| 21:28.21 | sean_ | tremon: here is my default http://pastebin.com/bQwr9PsK |
| 21:29.08 | sean_ | tremon: it does contain "PROMPT 1" |
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| 21:31.00 | tremon | sean_: the package I mentioned earlier also includes a pxelinux cfg btw |
| 21:31.37 | starsinmypockets | Hey - I need to create a user account that would be reasonably functional for a remote developer on out debian vps... could anyone point me at a tutorial or decent instructions for doing this... |
| 21:31.43 | starsinmypockets | or just offer any useful advice.. |
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| 21:32.14 | tremon | sean_: remove edd=off from the kernel directive, add it to append instead |
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| 21:32.58 | zulu-gula | how to add apache to website file owner group? |
| 21:33.02 | sean_ | tremon: duh, not sure what I was thinking there. |
| 21:34.49 | tremon | specing: sure, but it's the principle. I explicitly mounted r/o because I knew I was being dangerous (pvmove'ing /). That approach didn't work because I needed to shrink / first. so instead I chose the safer option of creating a new LV and moving the data |
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| 21:35.25 | tremon | I never got there though, because apparently lvrename $lv old$lv ; lvcreate $lv is enough to nuke your lv |
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| 21:36.38 | sean_ | starsinmypockets: man useradd? |
| 21:37.29 | Tree_Hugger | what the fuck.... I downloaded live boot, put on usb. its working. then proceed to install, and its not detecting my harddrives. rages |
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| 21:42.16 | sean_ | I like to think of tree huggers as such peaceful people. |
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| 21:43.08 | tremon | sean_: it's because they usually don't need to deal with the real world ;) |
| 21:43.18 | Tree_Hugger | lol |
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| 21:44.29 | vhann | Is there something in recent updates that could mess up with su? For some reason I can't 'su -' to root or to 1 user I just changed the password of |
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| 21:45.03 | sean_ | tremon: thanks for your help I'll try moving the edd=off (I have to wait for someone to press the power button now) |
| 21:45.04 | Jolein | hey everyone |
| 21:45.42 | Jolein | maybe this is a noob question but ima ask anyways since google aint realy helping me.... |
| 21:45.59 | Jolein | how do i make commands that i can use in terminal ? |
| 21:46.12 | kaste | depends on what you want to do |
| 21:46.20 | Jolein | want to make "sudo pm-hibernate" into just "hibernate" |
| 21:46.37 | nkuttler | Jolein: use an alias, help alias |
| 21:46.39 | Monte | a bash alias? |
| 21:46.51 | sean_ | alias |
| 21:46.58 | nkuttler | Jolein: and put it in your shell rc file |
| 21:47.01 | Jolein | am not that familiar with those names .... |
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| 21:47.38 | Jolein | anyone has a link that might help ? |
| 21:47.53 | sean_ | Jolein: alias hibernate='sudo pm-hibernate' |
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| 21:49.29 | Jolein | is not in the bashrc ? |
| 21:49.33 | starsinmypockets | sean_ - thanks. Basically, adduser username will create a user with a root directory. Then I can give them owenership of whatever directories I want them to access and I'm good to go... |
| 21:49.36 | Jolein | or shouldnt i toutch that ? |
| 21:51.40 | sean_ | starsinmypockets: not necessarily ownership, but permissions, yes |
| 21:52.02 | sean_ | starsinmypockets: not with a "root" directory but with a "home" directory |
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| 21:53.02 | bluesm | I have testing version. |
| 21:53.03 | starsinmypockets | sean_ gotcha - it's like /home/dev1/ and I copied staging.sitename.com into that and did chown dev1:www-data -r /home/dev1/staging.sitename.com/ |
| 21:53.07 | starsinmypockets | Does that seem about right? |
| 21:53.15 | bluesm | I want to download plugin to pidgin - > xfire. |
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| 21:53.33 | bluesm | And I have to install "libnotify1" |
| 21:53.36 | bluesm | Because of : |
| 21:53.51 | sean_ | starsinmypockets: I have no idea what you are trying to do, but sounds good I guess |
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| 21:54.18 | Jolein | ah it works |
| 21:54.23 | starsinmypockets | sean_ I'm just trying to set up a developer to work on a staging site ;) |
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| 21:54.54 | Jolein | sean_ "alias hibernate='sudo pm-hibernate'" ads the same line in the bashrc file ? |
| 21:55.04 | bluesm | Dependency is not satisfiable: libnotify1 (>= 0.4.4) |
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| 21:56.18 | sean_ | Jolein: no you will have to add that line to your .bashrc |
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| 21:56.56 | sean_ | Jolein: if you want to always have that alias |
| 21:57.18 | Jolein | ah yeah i added it |
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| 21:58.08 | Jolein | another quick question ..... adding your password after a sudo like " && echo 'password' " |
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| 21:58.12 | vampi-the-frog | hi guys. I'm trying to get the boot process to not set console resolution, ie not have the screen flicker when booting (the resolution is inherited from grub gfxpayload=keep) |
| 21:58.43 | vampi-the-frog | so I probably have to configure the console-setup thing. any ideas? |
| 21:58.49 | bluesm | libnotify1 ? |
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| 21:59.47 | Jolein | ok that doesnt work |
| 21:59.57 | Jolein | sean_ you happen to know this ? |
| 22:00.08 | Jolein | adding the password for sudo in the same command ? |
| 22:00.10 | Jolein | line* |
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| 22:01.34 | Jolein | all i can find is stuff to change the sudo password with visudo or just get rid of it all together |
| 22:01.41 | Jolein | but obviously i dont want that |
| 22:02.49 | xcess | my xresources settings are not applying post login. But if I open a new xterm from within xterm then it works? Any thoughts whats wrong with my setup ? |
| 22:02.58 | bluesm | libnotify1. Do you know How can I get this on |
| 22:03.03 | bluesm | debian testing ? |
| 22:03.11 | p8m | Jolein: You can configure sudo to run certain commands without a password |
| 22:03.13 | Jolein | or do i just add it in the visudo file ? |
| 22:03.28 | Jolein | add the command in the visudo file ? |
| 22:03.29 | jordanm | ,file libnotify1 |
| 22:03.34 | judd | No packages in squeeze/i386 were found with that file. |
| 22:03.35 | Jolein | p8m ? |
| 22:03.56 | jordanm | ,versions libnotify1 |
| 22:03.57 | judd | Package: libnotify1 on i386 -- lenny: 0.4.4-3; squeeze: 0.5.0-2 |
| 22:04.14 | p8m | Jolein: the sudo man page has example of how to add sudo commands that don't need a password |
| 22:04.42 | Jolein | username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/username/pydatertc.sh |
| 22:04.45 | Jolein | like that ? O_o |
| 22:05.07 | bluesm | jordanm: So ? |
| 22:05.19 | jordanm | bluesm: I believe libnotify required applications which used it to be patched from upstream. even installing it wouldn't cause the applications in testing to interact with it |
| 22:06.00 | bluesm | ehh. the "gfire" require it... |
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| 22:06.27 | bluesm | It is connected to graphical environment |
| 22:06.29 | bluesm | ? |
| 22:06.42 | jordanm | bluesm: I would just manually download the deb and see if it installs/works |
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| 22:08.41 | bluesm | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libnotify1 |
| 22:08.47 | bluesm | Where is there deb package ? |
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| 22:09.50 | themill | bluesm: you're running wheezy, aren't you? |
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| 22:10.57 | Jolein | p8m i cant find anything in "man sudo" or in "man passwd" :s |
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| 22:11.13 | themill | bluesm: that library doesn't exist for wheezy and you shouldn't try installing anything that requires it. Where is this package from that requires it? (it's not a debian package...) |
| 22:11.41 | aca20031 | Forgive me a stupid question -- The following packages have unmet dependencies: php5-mysql : Depends: php5-common (= 5.3.3-7+squeeze8) but 5.3.3-7+squeeze14 is to be installed -- does this imply i have a version thats too high for php5-mysql?? |
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| 22:12.29 | bluesm | hey |
| 22:12.57 | Devastator | Is there a debian live usb installer for windows? :P |
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| 22:13.10 | bluesm | It works |
| 22:13.11 | bluesm | with |
| 22:13.13 | Jolein | yeah the iso .... |
| 22:13.24 | bluesm | http://pkgs.org/debian-sid/debian-main-amd64/libnotify1_0.5.0-2_amd64.deb/download/ |
| 22:13.31 | sean_ | Jolein: I don't know I tend to 'sudo su' when I'm tired of typing password. |
| 22:13.33 | bluesm | And then "grfire" |
| 22:13.38 | bluesm | "gfire" |
| 22:13.46 | Jolein | sean_ its for the "hibernate" command |
| 22:13.50 | Jolein | its a sudo command |
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| 22:14.06 | helena | Hello I want to watch a movie but VLC wont read the disc |
| 22:14.07 | Devastator | Jolein i have the iso, problem is to put the iso inside pendrive |
| 22:14.07 | Jolein | and no use in making it a bash if i have to type my password every time -__- |
| 22:14.11 | helena | it's read other discs |
| 22:14.20 | helena | which are also DVDs but not all discs |
| 22:14.27 | Jolein | Devastator google how to make bootable flash drives |
| 22:14.33 | themill | aca20031: sounds like you're missing the line for security.debian.org |
| 22:14.36 | themill | dpkg: tell aca20031 about bat |
| 22:14.37 | helena | Is there some sort of copyright protection? |
| 22:14.44 | helena | How do I solve this issue? |
| 22:14.52 | themill | aca20031: can you paste.debian.net some more information |
| 22:15.05 | aca20031 | uhm, you want the sources.list file? |
| 22:15.11 | helena | Playback failure: Your input can't be opened: |
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| 22:15.27 | jordanm | helena: you probably need libdvdcss2 from dmm |
| 22:15.30 | jordanm | !tell helena about dmm |
| 22:15.38 | themill | aca20031: yeah, that and «apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy php5-common php5-mysql» |
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| 22:15.54 | helena | please be as fast as possible with the support I don't want to be up all night cause I have college in the morning :( |
| 22:15.59 | bluesm | Thanks :) |
| 22:16.00 | helena | jordanm: thanks |
| 22:16.17 | marrichi | how to fix http://pastebin.com/dFmgZa41 ??? |
| 22:16.43 | aca20031 | themill no need, you were right, its the security repo |
| 22:16.48 | aca20031 | thanks much |
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| 22:17.05 | themill | np |
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| 22:17.41 | helena | WTF?! |
| 22:17.51 | helena | bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 22:17.52 | helena | O.o |
| 22:18.04 | Jolein | "sudo apt-get" |
| 22:18.09 | helena | jordanm: I'm rooted |
| 22:18.15 | helena | it was here couple secs ago |
| 22:18.31 | Jolein | your sudo might have expired :s |
| 22:18.42 | helena | jordanm: I'm rooted! |
| 22:18.47 | helena | I'm not using sudo |
| 22:18.55 | Jolein | aptitude ? |
| 22:18.57 | Jolein | doesnt work ? |
| 22:19.13 | helena | bash: aptitude: command not found |
| 22:19.30 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to have the system to show a few stock symbols and weather on the desktop by default (something similar where it shows a clock in some windows system).....how do i do this? |
| 22:19.48 | Jolein | helena what if you type "sudo apt-get " ? |
| 22:19.57 | helena | Jolein: I don't have sudo installed |
| 22:20.04 | kaste | paranoidphreak: depends on your desktop |
| 22:20.13 | Jolein | then ... lol |
| 22:20.17 | helena | I have a rooted terminal open |
| 22:20.19 | kaste | but gdesklets are a good start if yours doesn't have something built in |
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| 22:20.39 | paranoidphreak | kaste: i'm using gnome and squeeze |
| 22:21.22 | helena | Why have I no APT? |
| 22:21.31 | kaste | http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=165 |
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| 22:21.41 | themill | helena: what did you do to your machine in the last 10 minutes? |
| 22:21.49 | Jolein | helena what are you doing in a root terminal ? -__- |
| 22:21.50 | helena | themill: I did nothing |
| 22:21.56 | specing | helena: Are you sure you are running debian? |
| 22:22.04 | helena | specing: I'm not stupid |
| 22:22.06 | Jolein | TTY1 ? |
| 22:22.13 | helena | Jolein: noooo |
| 22:22.14 | LtL | helena: try /usr/bin/aptitude -or- /usr/bin/apt-get see if that works |
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| 22:22.47 | Jolein | if you dont have aptitude you did something wrong .... |
| 22:22.53 | specing | helena: are you *really* sure you are running debian? |
| 22:22.56 | helena | bash: /usr/bin/aptitude: Input/output error |
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| 22:23.00 | helena | specing: Yes? |
| 22:23.07 | helena | I'm on wheezy |
| 22:23.08 | helena | O.o |
| 22:23.23 | LtL | helena: something is wrong |
| 22:23.32 | helena | LtL: Like? |
| 22:23.42 | Jolein | like opening a root terminal ? |
| 22:23.43 | LtL | helena: heh, i do not know |
| 22:23.59 | Jolein | why dont you have sudo installed ? |
| 22:23.59 | themill | helena: can you pastebin the output of "mount" |
| 22:24.04 | helena | Jolein: There is nothing wrong with opening a root terminal |
| 22:24.07 | helena | geez |
| 22:24.08 | Jolein | there is :d |
| 22:24.09 | LtL | helena: never seen that before |
| 22:24.10 | devios | man been a long time since i was last running linux/xchat. so used to win/mirc... |
| 22:24.11 | Jolein | to me xD |
| 22:24.11 | helena | it's only temp root |
| 22:24.16 | themill | Jolein: sudo is not part of the standard debian install at all |
| 22:24.24 | helena | it's not like it's a perminant account I use for EVERYTHING |
| 22:24.25 | Jolein | i know |
| 22:24.38 | helena | all my other machines I use sudo on |
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| 22:24.46 | Jolein | themill am on squeeze |
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| 22:24.55 | themill | Jolein: that's nice |
| 22:25.04 | Jolein | but still |
| 22:25.10 | LtL | helena: did you open 'root terminal' from the desktop menu |
| 22:25.14 | jelly-home | Jolein: also, it doesn't make much sense to use sudo solely to gain root access for arbitrary commands. su does exactly the same thing |
| 22:25.32 | helena | themill: warning: failed to read mtab |
| 22:25.41 | Jolein | i know |
| 22:25.46 | helena | LtL: I don't have a desktop menu |
| 22:25.56 | Iridos | JoeHazzers, sudo isn't installe in debian by default, depending on your choices when running the installer |
| 22:26.02 | Jolein | but its not like helena seems to be a debian guru .... |
| 22:26.06 | jelly-home | Jolein: sudo shines where partial, specific commands have to be run as different users |
| 22:26.10 | JoeHazzers | stares at Iridos |
| 22:26.11 | themill | helena: check "dmesg" -- see if there's anything there about unhappy filesystems or hard disks |
| 22:26.23 | Iridos | errrr |
| 22:26.30 | Iridos | Jolein, sudo isn't installe in debian by default, depending on your choices when running the installer |
| 22:26.38 | Iridos | JoeHazzers, sorry, tabfail, it seems |
| 22:26.45 | JoeHazzers | on a related note |
| 22:26.45 | helena | how do I pastebin that? |
| 22:26.48 | helena | it's out of my buffer |
| 22:26.57 | JoeHazzers | "sudo apt-get install sudo" on a new install leads to a facepalm |
| 22:27.07 | Jolein | lol |
| 22:27.10 | themill | helena: we don't need all of it. any errors should be towards the bottom |
| 22:27.38 | Jolein | i still think its funny tho :( |
| 22:27.47 | helena | Jolein: Stop it! |
| 22:27.53 | helena | you're hurting me |
| 22:27.56 | helena | pleasr stop |
| 22:28.05 | Jolein | physicly ? |
| 22:28.10 | helena | themill: web browser wont open |
| 22:28.12 | helena | Jolein: yes |
| 22:28.19 | helena | you're hurting my feelings |
| 22:28.31 | Jolein | ah i thought you ment stopping |
| 22:28.36 | Jolein | i was already freezing |
| 22:28.43 | helena | cause I feel like you're laughing at me for not using sudo |
| 22:28.45 | themill | helena: this doesn't surprise me at this stage. You're going to have to look at it and look for errors yourself |
| 22:29.05 | Jolein | no i think its funny you lost your aptitude :D |
| 22:29.10 | themill | Jolein: might be time to move on now |
| 22:29.15 | Jolein | ok sorry >.> |
| 22:29.21 | Jolein | not trying to be an ass |
| 22:29.37 | helena | apology accepted |
| 22:29.54 | Devastator | what's the difference between debian-live-rescue and debian-live-gnome/kde? only X? |
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| 22:30.19 | beardy | Devastator: I think so. Maybe it has some more tools installed. |
| 22:30.23 | Jolein | + |
| 22:30.40 | beardy | Devastator: Instead of OO.org and GIMP perhaps. Don't know really. |
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| 22:31.27 | helena | Okay I've got to admit... |
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| 22:31.43 | helena | I am using stupid flash memory but it shouldn't be coming to an end already |
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| 22:31.48 | helena | it's a week old! |
| 22:31.57 | specing | < helena> you're hurting my feelings @ lmao --- welcome to the internet |
| 22:32.02 | helena | and hardly been read/written |
| 22:32.18 | helena | okay... |
| 22:32.26 | helena | after a reboot APT is back! |
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| 22:32.39 | specing | suggests fsck |
| 22:32.39 | beardy | helena: If you have a badly manufactured one it can break fast. |
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| 22:32.57 | aca20031 | clients randomly disconnect, they cant get on |
| 22:33.01 | aca20031 | arping -i eth0 <MYIP> |
| 22:33.04 | aca20031 | magically fixes the problem |
| 22:33.11 | aca20031 | until it happens again - whats the problem? IP conflict? |
| 22:33.19 | helena | beardy: Have you mooed today? |
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| 22:33.48 | themill | helena: what sort of device is this in btw? |
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| 22:34.11 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i'm trying to have the system to show a few stock symbols and weather on the desktop by default (something similar where it shows a clock in some windows system).....how do i do this? I'm running squeeze with gnome |
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| 22:36.27 | RMSInterjection | paranoidphreak: You can use conky to do this. There's some minor configurating but I believe it can show stock symbols. |
| 22:36.42 | helena | themill: a laptop that the hard drvie died on |
| 22:36.51 | helena | can't afford a new hard drive yet |
| 22:37.25 | jelly-home | helena: well, looks like it really died |
| 22:37.27 | RMSInterjection | paranoidphreak: This link may help. http://bhaviksblog.com/02/stock-quotes-on-your-desktop-with-conky/ |
| 22:37.28 | themill | helena: ahh. some devices are known to destroy sd cards pretty fast... |
| 22:37.32 | Devastator | beardy sorry, phone ringed |
| 22:37.43 | helena | O.o |
| 22:37.53 | Devastator | beardy i'm trying to repair a laptop with a "stuck" wireless card, rescue should be enough no? |
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| 22:38.48 | helena | goes and sucks on a pepperami |
| 22:39.05 | beardy | Devastator: Depends what environment you want. I've only used the live XFCE one, you can install what you need in the ramdisk if it isn't included, when it's booted. But probably. |
| 22:39.57 | Devastator | beardy i just wanna see if lspci/lsusb sees it, if not, i'm gonna say it's a hardware failure and give it back to the owner |
| 22:40.08 | helena | beardy: do you like sucking on pepperami? :o |
| 22:40.55 | yac | aaaargh, this https://gist.github.com/3796858 angers me sooo much |
| 22:40.56 | specing | helena: I wouldn't run a vanilla operating system on flash storage as is |
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| 22:41.16 | specing | All the flash install I have done are write-hardened |
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| 22:42.12 | specing | ~/.recently_used disabled, lots of other stuff disabled, some redirected to tmpfs, special scripts to initialize the tmpfs layout and link it to a running system |
| 22:43.00 | paranoidphreak | RMSInterjection: thank |
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| 22:46.32 | beardy | Devastator: I'm sure the live-rescue will do nicely. |
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| 22:47.40 | yac | https://gist.github.com/3796858#file_etcinit.dthttpd why there are the "x" on line 36 ? |
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| 22:49.36 | Devastator | beardy thank you once again, good sir :) |
| 22:49.46 | digitalirony | How bad is it going to be if I do a dist-upgrade from lenny to something actually new |
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| 22:50.20 | digitalirony | I have this REALLY weird bug: Sep 27 15:45:33 corollary nslcd[2932]: [b0dc51] failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://ldap.msri.org: Connect error: Succ |
| 22:50.21 | Devastator | digitalirony there's a guide to upgrde from lenny to squeeze (current stable) |
| 22:50.29 | digitalirony | sweet |
| 22:50.37 | digitalirony | Does it work well though? |
| 22:50.41 | digitalirony | anyone can confirm? |
| 22:50.45 | Devastator | !tell digitalirony about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:51.07 | beardy | digitalirony: Read the release notes and the .. what Devastator said and you should be fine. Take care if you can't access the machine physically. |
| 22:51.36 | digitalirony | I can |
| 22:51.42 | Devastator | debian live mirror is so slow :( |
| 22:51.43 | digitalirony | this ldap bug is pissing me off |
| 22:51.55 | Devastator | currently downloading at 188kb/s |
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| 22:55.19 | gabby | hi all |
| 22:55.29 | gabby | i have a question regarding device type. |
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| 22:56.37 | gabby | Is it possible to modify the properties of a plugged device?.. eg Vendor, manufacturer and device type? |
| 22:58.36 | gabby | anyone? |
| 22:59.42 | dondelelcaro | gabby: not to my knowledge, no |
| 23:00.01 | gabby | oh too bad.. |
| 23:00.06 | gabby | do u know libudev? |
| 23:00.13 | dondelelcaro | gabby: why would you want to? |
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| 23:01.37 | gabby | it's regard to my program.. i need to find and subsystem and device type so i can print them to the screen, without the device type i'm gettin lots of errors |
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| 23:02.22 | digitalirony | hrmm |
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| 23:02.38 | digitalirony | I am not sure that upgradeing to squeeze will solve this issue though |
| 23:02.57 | digitalirony | I have this REALLY weird bug: Sep 27 15:45:33 corollary nslcd[2932]: [b0dc51] failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://ldap.xxxx.org: Connect error: Success |
| 23:03.07 | digitalirony | ^ thats a really weird 'error' lolol |
| 23:04.09 | themill | digitalirony: didn't you say earlier you had pretty badly broken name resolution on that box |
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| 23:08.16 | gabby | anyone here know libudev? |
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| 23:08.25 | gabby | http://www.signal11.us/oss/udev/ |
| 23:08.27 | tharkun | !tell gabby ask |
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| 23:08.34 | digitalirony | themill: I fixed it |
| 23:08.42 | tharkun | !tell gabby about ask |
| 23:08.58 | digitalirony | themill: I mean the name resolution, I fixed that |
| 23:09.28 | digitalirony | themill: still not doing ldap lookups though, I am in the middle of doing the squeeze update, cause this isn't happening on the newer machines |
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| 23:11.05 | gabby | I'm using debian ver 3.0 my problem is with libudev, how can i filter out /dev/ttyS0 so it will be ignored in my code? |
| 23:11.39 | gabby | when i came accros /dev/ttyS0 i get unable to find parent usb device |
| 23:11.52 | jordanm | !woody |
| 23:11.52 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10, ISOs are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.0_r6/ . See also <woody sources.list> and <woody->sarge>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 23:11.55 | gabby | it's ok if my /dev/ttyUSB0 is detect |
| 23:12.22 | jordanm | 3.0 hasn't been supported in 6 years |
| 23:12.57 | gabby | it's ok im also using 2.6 |
| 23:14.23 | tharkun | gabby: translating what jordanm just said. If it is that old you are on your own |
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| 23:15.23 | gabby | yeah but it's squeeze version. |
| 23:15.38 | tharkun | still "Devil lives in the details" |
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| 23:20.24 | rozz2 | Hello. |
| 23:20.26 | nutron | I just did a safe upgrade, and it seems that now it's stuck on update-grub... is this bad news? (wheezy) |
| 23:20.29 | rozz2 | I'm having trouble getting my mic on my headset to work. |
| 23:20.44 | rozz2 | I'm on debian stable. I'm fairly sure the mic is in a functional condition. |
| 23:20.54 | rozz2 | It is plugged in securely. |
| 23:21.02 | nutron | I can't tell what it's doing =/ |
| 23:21.05 | gabby | Anyways can't i really modify the properties of device?.. e.g when i connected my usb /dev/ttyUSB0 is detected now i want to edit it's properties eg. manufacturer, vendor and device type, for example the device type is usb_device i wan to rename it to usb_serial is this possible? |
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| 23:21.20 | nsadmin | is perl's HTML::* packaged? |
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| 23:21.57 | Devastator | if a module is available in squeeze, should it be available in debian-live? I'm talking about bcm80211 |
| 23:22.02 | phenom | Can someone please do this on wheezy: md5sum /usr/bin/gawk |
| 23:22.17 | jordanm | nsadmin: apt-file search HTML/Something.pm |
| 23:22.34 | nsadmin | or,.,, |
| 23:22.56 | nsadmin | , file HTML/TreeBuilder.pm |
| 23:23.01 | judd | Search for HTML/TreeBuilder.pm in squeeze/i386: libhtml-tree-perl: usr/share/perl5/HTML/TreeBuilder.pm |
| 23:23.10 | frikinz_ | gabby: you might find what you want in /etc/udev/* |
| 23:23.26 | rozz2 | How can I get my mic working? |
| 23:23.26 | frikinz_ | libhtml.*perl |
| 23:23.29 | nsadmin | hmm, so I had the name wrong yesterday |
| 23:23.36 | Devastator | ,pciid [14e4:4727] |
| 23:23.38 | judd | [14e4:4727] is 'BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'brcm80211' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4727 http://wiki.debian.org/wl http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 23:23.46 | nsadmin | frikinz_, right that part I knew |
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| 23:23.58 | gabby | frikinz_ okay thanks. |
| 23:24.28 | gabby | i did find them in sys file but i don't where can i find the file that i need to edit |
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| 23:25.28 | frikinz_ | phenom: grep gawk /var/lib/dpkg/info/gawk.md5sums |
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| 23:28.29 | nutron | how do I disable a drive sans rebooting |
| 23:28.33 | nutron | it was mounted firt |
| 23:28.36 | nutron | first* |
| 23:28.47 | nutron | it's now dead =/ |
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| 23:30.54 | abrotman | disable for what? |
| 23:31.08 | jagginess | firt |
| 23:31.10 | jagginess | ? lol |
| 23:31.25 | nutron | Sorry, tell the bus to disconnect the drive. |
| 23:31.43 | nutron | Hot remove. I remember it could be done, I just forget what file it is under /sys or /proc |
| 23:32.26 | o2T7 | hi |
| 23:32.30 | nsadmin | does that drive have your / partition? |
| 23:32.42 | nsadmin | !wtds |
| 23:32.48 | nutron | nsadmin: nope |
| 23:33.16 | nutron | It's simply data, that's backed up... dmesg is full of "sens" iordy errors... |
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| 23:33.44 | frikinz_ | nutron: echo 1>/sys/block/sdX/device/delete ? |
| 23:33.54 | nutron | grr why can't I spell today...? Anyway, I was in the middle of an upgrade and grub-os-prober is trying to remount the drive as it used to be a / drive. |
| 23:33.55 | nsadmin | so, you want to replace the drive and then restore it |
| 23:33.59 | o2T7 | does anyone know if it is possible to configure a ks8995 network card on a squeeze with a 2.6.32-5-amd64 stock kernel? |
| 23:34.07 | nutron | frikinz_: aha! that's it, thanks. |
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| 23:34.28 | nutron | nsadmin: nah, just disable it, can't reboot atm due to update-grub hanging. |
| 23:34.43 | oscurochu | im trying to install asus usb n13 that uses the rtl8192cu driver. It shows up just fine in lsusb, but isn't detected by wireless-tools or networkmanager. it should be built into the kernel, or possibly a kernel module. i tried installing the debian package provided on the mirrors, and when that failed, i downloaded the firmware from the realtek web site. the last line of dmesg: "Error: Driver rtl8192cu is already registered, aborting" (there are other mess |
| 23:34.53 | Psi|ocybe | Hello, i'm running a debian based distro that's very streamlined and i'm missing a kernel module. i was hoping someone might have smsc75xx.ko from 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 23:35.02 | o2T7 | I found some matches for 'spi-ks8995 linux', but for OpenWRT |
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| 23:36.29 | Psi|ocybe | i found a guide to compile my own, but i don't have make on this box either, and not enough disk space to install |
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| 23:37.13 | oscurochu | what is the kernel module for? you could either reinstall your kernel (if maybe a file is corrupt) or find out what package contains your module (firmware-free and firmware-nonfree may be the easiest option). |
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| 23:37.50 | whatprg | hi |
| 23:38.04 | helena | whatprg: wpops |
| 23:38.06 | nsadmin | Psi|ocybe, running lvm? |
| 23:38.50 | whatprg | is there a program that simply let me read a .doc file (origin: M$ windoze) , or at least let me convert its text to ascii? |
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| 23:39.00 | frikinz_ | whatprg: antiword |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | whatprg: yes, there ixs |
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| 23:40.00 | Psi|ocybe | it's a usb network controller. my board has realtek driver built in but large transfers kill it. i don't have any pci slots so got stuck with usb, have it working on a gentoo box with the smsc75xx driver |
| 23:40.06 | frikinz_ | that's the one I used on old ms office suites 2000 or 2003, there might be others.. |
| 23:40.08 | whatprg | frikinz_: Great! very good! it works well :) |
| 23:40.15 | Psi|ocybe | nsadmin: i do yes |
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| 23:40.59 | whatprg | (actually the doc file is a mix of chinese + english, but antiword made it and now i have the ascii version :) |
| 23:41.23 | nsadmin | Psi|ocybe, you -could- get an additional drive, stick pvs or just one pv, add it to the vg, lvresize the vol /usr is on and go from there |
| 23:41.54 | nsadmin | it's going to be a serious pita to try to do this without the build requiremenhts |
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| 23:43.18 | Psi|ocybe | well, i have the .c source for the kernel module, just don't have make. i mainly work with gentoo so don't know much about debian systems. i need debian-base? |
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| 23:44.03 | Psi|ocybe | nm |
| 23:44.15 | simonlnu | !b-e |
| 23:44.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 23:47.30 | jelly-home | and linux-headers-$(uname -r) probably |
| 23:47.55 | simonlnu | yeh, since it's a module |
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| 23:48.22 | Psi|ocybe | yeh, i've got the linux-headers, just installed make and b-e. now to troubleshoot. |
| 23:48.39 | Psi|ocybe | thanks |
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| 23:48.58 | nsadmin | did you end up adding more pvs to the vg? |
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| 23:50.01 | o2T7 | do you know of any compatible network switch card? |
| 23:50.26 | Psi|ocybe | nsadmin i was actually assuming the requirements for building a module would be heavier than they are, i've got 1 gig free space so i should be fine |
| 23:50.42 | oscurochu1 | i just tested my wireless card on windows and it works after installing the drivers. im confused to why the linux drivers aren't working. i have a feeling its a simple solution, like it should be obvious to me, but im not sure what im doing wrong. |
| 23:50.53 | nsadmin | Psi|ocybe, sounds it |
| 23:51.56 | nsadmin | oscurochu1, maybe the card needs firmware? look at the output of dmesg | less |
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| 23:53.20 | *** join/#debian Esa_1 (~esa.syt@108-250-33-79.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:53.21 | *** join/#debian dayangkun (~dayangkun@116.213.117.66) |
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| 23:54.53 | nsadmin | oscurochu1, you're looking to see if something requested firmware to load but the loader reported file not found |
| 23:55.25 | *** join/#debian lnxslck (~lnxslck@2.81.138.214) |
| 23:55.26 | nsadmin | since we're not yet sure what happened, you're also looking for any other problem with the wireless |
| 23:55.54 | *** join/#debian nothingmuchheret (~nothingmu@97.102.163.105) |
| 23:55.56 | oscurochu1 | nsadmin: http://dpaste.com/807052/ |
| 23:56.34 | *** join/#debian lcafiero (~lcafiero@adsl-99-163-5-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:56.40 | nsadmin | hmm, failed to -request- firmware |
| 23:57.01 | nsadmin | I saw this once before, never found out why it happened |
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| 23:57.52 | nsadmin | o, I remember now... someone thought the message was written by a nonenglish speaker who got the sense of the message wrong |
| 23:58.18 | nsadmin | so what you want to do is install the appropriate firmware package |
| 23:58.39 | frikinz_ | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek ? |
| 23:58.47 | frikinz_ | oscurochu1: ^ |
| 23:59.00 | oscurochu1 | after running gentoo for a while, wasting my time with arch linux, (pacman is such a pain when it breaks) and experimenting with slackware, im pretty knowledgable about installing my own firmware, but this is new to me. nothing is ever easy though, always a problem, always learning, and then when i apply what i learn later, a new problem exists. so while i feel like i know very much, apparently im still a noob or this driver just sucks. lol |
| 23:59.03 | nsadmin | frikinz_, thanks for that |
| 23:59.26 | oscurochu1 | the firmware is installed though, im not sure what is happening... |
| 23:59.33 | Devastator | well, i'm in kind of trouble: debian-live squeeze has kernel 2.6.32, bcm4313 support was added in 2.6.38 and i also need firmware, what can i do to test this card without installing linux per se? |
