| 00:00.10 | frikinz_ | oscurochu1: wireless and graphics drivers are a pain.. |
| 00:00.25 | nsadmin | and sound |
| 00:00.32 | frikinz_ | yes |
| 00:00.39 | oscurochu1 | should i just build my own kernel and start from there? is there a kernel module i can blacklist so that i can use the drivers from the realtek web site? would kernel modules create this type of conflict with other similar drivers? |
| 00:00.48 | nsadmin | and all other hardware (sometimes) |
| 00:01.38 | frikinz_ | oscurochu1: so you have this package installed and iwconfig doesn't show your card? |
| 00:01.46 | oscurochu1 | yep, pretty much |
| 00:02.13 | nsadmin | oscurochu1, what's output of echo ${uname -r) $(cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 00:02.18 | oscurochu1 | the light doesnt even flash on the card, but its going crazy right now as im using it on my laptop for testing purposes just to verify it worked well and wasnt defective. so far so ood |
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| 00:02.19 | oscurochu1 | good* |
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| 00:03.28 | hasdf | is there a possibility to encrypt / on sda and /home on sdc with the same passphrase? |
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| 00:04.16 | zinx | hasdf: sure |
| 00:04.17 | hasdf | I am in the wheezy installer right now and I don't know how if it can work |
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| 00:04.28 | zinx | hasdf: you might be better off creating a key file on one and using that to decrypt the other, though |
| 00:04.45 | oscurochu | nsadmin: sorry, i disconnected the device from my laptop and forgot to reenable my wireless 3.2.0-3-686-pae wheezy/sid |
| 00:05.24 | frikinz_ | oscurochu1: its an usb device? |
| 00:05.47 | hasdf | zinx: any helpful links on this topic, or some example partition-tables? |
| 00:05.48 | oscurochu | yeah |
| 00:05.51 | frikinz_ | I've never found a usb wireless card that would work 100% |
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| 00:06.39 | oscurochu | i've used the rt73 flawlessly |
| 00:06.59 | zinx | frikinz_: there are plenty, but you have to check before you buy rather than after |
| 00:07.18 | oscurochu | i did check before i buy |
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| 00:08.08 | frikinz_ | plenty but for a production machine and cards still available I did'nt really find. It would work a week and then bam. or after a reboot there would be a race condition, forced to unplug, replug. not acceptable |
| 00:08.22 | oscurochu | there werent any posts or articles that complain about this card online that werent installation issues due to lack of users knowledge of installing proper drivers |
| 00:08.35 | nsadmin | and watch out for frys... the box might say the chipset is one thing but turned out to be another |
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| 00:09.16 | frikinz_ | even the linux-wireless team told me one was perfect which turned to be false after a few days |
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| 00:11.13 | frikinz_ | rt73usb seems also to have the problem of unplug replug |
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| 00:11.40 | Devastator | i can't believe i will have to use U "badword" live cd :( |
| 00:12.03 | qw12 | is there a way to install a package on a different drive (i have two drives and first main one is almost full) |
| 00:12.24 | zinx | frikinz_: haven't had that happen to me, ah well |
| 00:13.01 | zinx | frikinz_: i have an older one i got from someone that requires ndiswrapper, though :/ |
| 00:13.08 | zinx | frikinz_: not happy about that particular one :) |
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| 00:13.25 | abrotman | qw12: not really likely |
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| 00:14.41 | nothingmuchhere | Uh, I'm wondering if this is the right place to file a bug report on drivers maintained by Debian? |
| 00:14.51 | Devastator | abrotman do happen to have a suggestion of a debian live with kernel >2.6.38 + wireless firmware? i wonder if there's a way to use kmuto as live.. |
| 00:15.11 | frikinz_ | nothingmuchhere: not really. and not sure if debian is maintaining drivers |
| 00:15.13 | qw12 | abrotman: ok, what is an easy way to save space using symlinks and moving directories ? so that nothing breaks and nothing happens at boot time (since my second drive gets mounted at the end of boot time) |
| 00:15.50 | nothingmuchhere | i heard that sid got the new nvidia beta drivers 304.48 i think |
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| 00:16.46 | oscurochu | so how can i determine if the chipset detected by linux is actually the chipset that is in it? |
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| 00:17.15 | frikinz_ | know the chipset that is in? :) |
| 00:17.27 | montage | Why are the U.S. major traditional media not covering Presidential Candidates Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode and Rocky Anderson? |
| 00:17.32 | meyou^ | qw12: depends on your partition structure |
| 00:17.50 | meyou^ | if /home is on the same partition as /, that would be the first thing to move |
| 00:17.55 | oscurochu | can i determine the chipset from windows? im on windows on my laptop, and the driver is installed.. im just not sure how to check that type of stuff |
| 00:18.01 | montage | I find that very puzzling since the USA touts itself as a shining beacon of democracy |
| 00:18.05 | frikinz_ | qw12: you tried localepurge? |
| 00:18.23 | simonlnu | nothingmuchhere: /msg dpkg bts |
| 00:18.28 | montage | Why are the US major traditional media acting like they are censoring some Presidential Candidates? |
| 00:18.40 | meyou^ | montage: why are you popping into a debian linux channel to gripe about the American 2 party political system? |
| 00:18.42 | simonlnu | montage: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 00:18.44 | frikinz_ | oscurochu: I'd first look on google if people have same problem as you. on windows you could investigate the .inf for usb vendor, manufacturer,.. |
| 00:18.50 | montage | ok |
| 00:19.36 | qw12 | frikinz_: no, looking that up |
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| 00:20.05 | frikinz_ | rm /usr/share/doc works well too |
| 00:20.18 | simonlnu | and breaks stuff |
| 00:20.25 | frikinz_ | yes but not that much :) |
| 00:20.35 | simonlnu | and breaks stuff |
| 00:20.35 | frikinz_ | simonlnu: what does it break? |
| 00:20.48 | divbell | upgrades later |
| 00:20.50 | frikinz_ | rm /usr/share/doc/* |
| 00:21.22 | qw12 | ok |
| 00:21.29 | qw12 | i'll move that and create links |
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| 00:21.49 | frikinz_ | deborphan, debfoster,.. |
| 00:22.07 | qw12 | frikinz_: docs is only 70M |
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| 00:22.22 | qw12 | but that also helps |
| 00:22.36 | g0del | wouldnt it be rm -r? |
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| 00:23.48 | frikinz_ | qw12: /var/lib/apt/lists/ is also a good candidate. not a lot but stil.. |
| 00:25.03 | frikinz_ | these things are usually on embedded systems though when your total disk is 1G or less.. |
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| 00:26.16 | qw12 | frikinz_: is that list of all the packages etc. ? like when you do apt-get update or something liek that ? |
| 00:26.41 | tables | import sys, json |
| 00:26.41 | tables | obj = json.load(sys.stdin) |
| 00:26.41 | tables | json.dump(obj, sys.stdout, encoding='utf-8', sort_keys=True, indent=4, ensure_ascii=False) |
| 00:26.45 | tables | that didn't work |
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| 00:26.51 | tables | oops wrong chan |
| 00:26.52 | frikinz_ | qw12: yes. it will come again when you do an update. or not if you run out of space.. |
| 00:26.59 | frikinz_ | qw12: :) |
| 00:27.27 | qw12 | frikinz_: ok, i am not deleting them, i am just moving to drive2 and create symlink |
| 00:28.19 | oscurochu | i just realised i accidentally installed the drivers for squeeze, while im running wheezy. oops. hopefully that was the problem this entire time. |
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| 00:29.13 | abrotman | Devastator: did you look at live.debian.net to see if they have a wheezy-ased iso ? |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | based |
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| 00:30.12 | qw12 | what is there in /var/lib/apt/lists/ ? |
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| 00:30.28 | Devastator | abrotman you mean here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 00:31.56 | hasdf | zinx: how to encrypt /home partition with key on / ? |
| 00:32.00 | oscurochu | ok yeah im an idiot, i knew it would be something obvious and simple... i update the driver from squeeze to wheezy and now it works. thats kind of embarrassing. lol |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | Devastator: what does it say?! |
| 00:32.25 | abrotman | Devastator: will it promise gold, health, and twinkies/ |
| 00:32.27 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:32.55 | abrotman | Devastator: that' doesn't look like wheezy at all |
| 00:33.02 | Devastator | abrotman unless my eye is really bad, i see 6.0.4 |
| 00:33.02 | queso | How do I flush my dns cache? (debian wheezy) |
| 00:33.18 | abrotman | Devastator: tha'tsa not wheezy |
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| 00:34.34 | frikinz_ | oscurochu: "updated the driver" is not common here, what do you mean? |
| 00:34.46 | abrotman | Devastator: i'd probably wander over to #debian-live on irc.oftc.net, ask them |
| 00:34.57 | Devastator | abrotman yeah, probably |
| 00:35.08 | frikinz_ | oscurochu: the firmware package? |
| 00:35.09 | oscurochu | updated .28 to .36, |
| 00:35.13 | oscurochu | yes |
| 00:35.14 | frikinz_ | oscurochu: ah ok |
| 00:35.43 | oscurochu | is a driver different from firmware? |
| 00:35.46 | Devastator | abrotman thanks! |
| 00:35.56 | frikinz_ | oscurochu: firmware is not the driver, its the non free binary blob that is injected into the card |
| 00:36.03 | oscurochu | oh ok. |
| 00:36.06 | oscurochu | thanks |
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| 00:37.02 | oscurochu | now to get my screen to stop flickering with my new nvidia graphics card, another fun problem to resolve. =D now that i actually have wifi i can do that. |
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| 00:39.20 | oscurochu | should i use the nvidia kernel for my card ? i am using the default kernel right now using my built in nvidia card |
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| 00:40.40 | nothing_much | Where do I go about to message package maintainers for Debian? |
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| 00:42.14 | abrotman | about what/ |
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| 00:43.55 | nothing_much | nvidia drivers? |
| 00:44.48 | abrotman | what about it? |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | be less vague |
| 00:45.14 | nothing_much | they don't work properly when installed through synaptic, but when using the binary from the nvidia website, they work |
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| 00:48.51 | nothing_much | so, yeah, looking for package maintainers to let them know about the issue |
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| 00:52.56 | abrotman | nothing_much: file a bug with the BTS |
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| 00:54.10 | baronobeefdip | hello i have some questions about clustering debian with openmpi |
| 00:55.28 | nsadmin | baronobeefdip just ask and someone will see |
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| 00:56.51 | baronobeefdip | I just installed ssh on all the nodes, exported the home folder with NFS and installed openmpi. the commands seem to work but my question is if this is normal behavior. when i run the command "mpi -np 2 --hostfile hosts ls" the ls command executes but it shows me the result twice. is this normal behavior if not then what do i have to do to get the nodes to process it |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | thought there was an MPI channel |
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| 00:57.26 | baronobeefdip | heres the command i made a typo in that last post "mpirun -np 2 --hostfile hosts ls" |
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| 00:58.14 | baronobeefdip | i just need to know if this is normal behavior if not then i want to know how to make the cluster work |
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| 01:02.14 | p8m | baronobeefdip: -np sets the number of processes. If you have two processes you should see the output twice. |
| 01:02.38 | baronobeefdip | so thats normal |
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| 01:03.38 | baronobeefdip | then what do i set in the command to make a number of processor work on the same task, is it possible to make those processors work on the same job instead of it's own copy of the job which i think is what is making it display twice |
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| 01:05.28 | baronobeefdip | will it being displayed twice mean that the nodes are working on the same job issued by the server or are they working on their own copy of the program that was issued by the server |
| 01:05.35 | p8m | baronobeefdip: MPI works by launching multiple processes. The mpi library allows those processes to communicate. |
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| 01:06.49 | p8m | Each processs runs the same command. You have to write programs that divide up a job and communicate to solve a problem. You should go read about mpi |
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| 01:06.57 | baronobeefdip | is this what is happening, the server will issue a process to all the nodes, will they be running a portion of the process or will they be running a copy of the process which is causing it to reflect a copy of the commands result. can i make it only display one thing after issuing it on the server |
| 01:07.25 | p8m | baronobeefdip: they all run the same program. |
| 01:07.38 | baronobeefdip | their own copy or a portion of it on each node |
| 01:07.45 | baronobeefdip | i am issueing the ls command as a test |
| 01:07.52 | baronobeefdip | and i get 2 results |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | mmm .. beefdip |
| 01:08.21 | p8m | Each process runs its own copy of the same program |
| 01:08.22 | baronobeefdip | i want it to only reflect one because it's telling me that it's running a copy of the job on each node instead of distributing a portion of it to each node |
| 01:08.42 | p8m | You need to write an mpi program to do that |
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| 01:08.56 | baronobeefdip | how do i make an mpi program from a normal one such as Xdmx |
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| 01:10.21 | p8m | baronobeefdip: there is no simple way. It's custom programming. What are you trying to do? |
| 01:10.43 | p8m | baronobeefdip: xdmx doesn't make any sense to run with mpi |
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| 01:11.13 | baronobeefdip | make a distributed multihead system (visualization cluster) I am trying to keep it simple plus i want each node to contribute to the performance of the xdmx process to make the images on the screens run smoother |
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| 01:12.28 | baronobeefdip | ROCKS supposedly does this unless the Xdmx process in the viz roll can't be called a true cluster. everyone at my university is saying that it is a cluster (MPI implementation and all) but you are saying that Xdmx is not an MPI program therefore it might not be processing the program like a cluster but i want each node to contribute it's system resources to the Xdmx program running on the server |
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| 01:16.58 | p8m | I think rocks viz roll just uses vnc to tile across machines. All the processing is done on the master. |
| 01:18.09 | baronobeefdip | so there is no parallel processing in the viz roll in rocks. dmx is used on the version that we are using which is 5 and your telling me that dmx doesn |
| 01:18.54 | baronobeefdip | and your telling me that dmx is not being computed in parallel what is going on here is that the server is simply controlling the nodes's X servers without contributing any processing power to the master |
| 01:19.19 | p8m | What processing would be parallelized? Those are just visualization tools, they just draw pictures that other tools generate |
| 01:19.59 | baronobeefdip | everything is being processed on the master, the processors in the nodes don't do anything to the master so therefore it's not being a cluster? |
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| 01:22.05 | baronobeefdip | does this mean that i can get the same result by using the Xdmx program on a debian box and an array of debian nodes with port 6000 and the X acl's disabled without installing the MPI? |
| 01:22.41 | baronobeefdip | if that is true than what was the point of using rocks? other than the fact that the roller coaster was pre-installed into it |
| 01:24.19 | baronobeefdip | I am starting to feel more confident in thinking that I was right all along, I could have gotten the same result with what i had explained |
| 01:24.27 | p8m | rocks does a lot of stuff. it is a tool kit for clusters |
| 01:25.35 | baronobeefdip | but Xdmx implementation on rocks isn't a true cluster? since Xdmx isn't an MPI application? |
| 01:26.23 | baronobeefdip | and can i get the same result with the same quality by doing what i explained with the debian boxes earlier |
| 01:26.39 | p8m | What are you trying to do? |
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| 01:27.56 | baronobeefdip | i am trying to find out if the Xmdx implementation in ROCKS utilizes the MPI in the cluster operating system and if i can get the same result by installing Xdmx on a front end machine and open port 600 and disabled X's access control lists on the nodes so i can launch an Xdmx session on them, will this be the equivalent of using the dmx program on rocks viz roll |
| 01:29.37 | baronobeefdip | does Xdmx use MPI on rocks, and can i get the same result by using Xdmx on a regular Debian machine with port 6000 and X acl disabled on some debian nodes? |
| 01:29.39 | Probeus | Is it possible to use Alsa or some other mixer to turn a physical output jack into an line-in device? |
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| 01:30.19 | abrotman | you want a loopback ? |
| 01:30.31 | p8m | What does it matter is xdmx uses mpi? If it used http would that be better? |
| 01:30.43 | baronobeefdip | I just want to know |
| 01:31.02 | baronobeefdip | if it used mpi in rocks |
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| 01:31.50 | Probeus | I have an raspberry pi that i want to use as an sound recorder. The pi doesnt have any line or microphone inputs. only one stereo output. I know in windows you can change what you want to use the port as, but i dont know how i could do that in debian |
| 01:32.37 | baronobeefdip | if so then ROCKS viz roll seems to be a fancy way of creating a visualization wall that could have been done by hand with more ease of use. frankly i find the Xdmx on the debian boxes method i explained much easier since everyone at the university has me setting things up for chromium which isn't necessary since they are just using Xdmx |
| 01:32.47 | somiaj | Probeus: read the alsa module info. Sometimes there are settings you can send the module to do that. It will probabaly be hit and miss if your actual module supports such a thing though. |
| 01:33.13 | baronobeefdip | which isn't an MPI program and nobody seems to be utilizing chromium |
| 01:33.28 | baronobeefdip | So i have to call it "not a true cluster" with the way it is running Xdmx |
| 01:34.10 | p8m | they might be running mpi jobs that feed images to xdmx/viz roll |
| 01:34.37 | baronobeefdip | just the roller coaster and some networking tools like the browser which runs splunk and an instance of wireshark and some images |
| 01:35.17 | baronobeefdip | the roller coaster seems to be just merely a screen save that has been windowed |
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| 01:37.44 | Probeus | seems like the soundchip only supports output :( |
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| 01:38.53 | baronobeefdip | can those be called mpi jobs or are we still just using distributed multihead to render images on the screens. |
| 01:41.27 | baronobeefdip | i think we are |
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| 02:01.59 | rozz2 | My mic is working but I can't get it to work on even "Sound Recorder". Any advice? |
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| 02:03.44 | baronobeefdip | there is one more thing that i would like to know, since Xdmx can only support 16 screens how do i make it support more screens since there is no chance of it being an MPI program any time soon, if this is too much for it to handle then i think that the implementation of middle ware is in place which is a true MPI program |
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| 02:22.29 | maher | how do i run gdm on a different display/ |
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| 02:27.03 | somiaj | maher: what do you mean? Do you mean launch your xserver on a differt tty? Or have multiple instances running? |
| 02:27.04 | buddha_ | Is there someway to tell if i have hardware acceleration enabled? |
| 02:27.20 | somiaj | buddha_: glxinfo and xvinfo are useful. also glxgears will test it for you |
| 02:27.34 | maher | somiaj: i have an X session on :0 from startx, I would like to run gdm3 on :1 |
| 02:28.11 | somiaj | maher: well the display numbers are arbitary so you can do either. But look at the gdm config, you can configure what tty and display it uses |
| 02:28.25 | somiaj | with startx I think you can just do startx -- :1 to start it with a different display |
| 02:28.47 | p8m | I think gdm removed the (easy) ability to run on multiple servers |
| 02:29.16 | p8m | It's really easy with kdm |
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| 02:29.45 | somiaj | yea I haven't used gdm in a long time. but I know you should be able to configure the display and tty the dm runs on. I only did it with wdm I belive though. |
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| 02:30.12 | somiaj | but he could run gdm3 as :0, then just manually run startx on display :1 since the number shouldn't matter to much, just that they are different. |
| 02:30.21 | buddha_ | somiaj, how do I install glxinfo and glxgears. apt tells me they don't exist. xvinfo says i have an Adaptor #0: "Intel(R) Textured Video" |
| 02:30.41 | somiaj | buddha_: glxinfo I thought was a core file, let me check |
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| 02:30.59 | somiaj | they are both part of the mesa-utils package |
| 02:31.16 | somiaj | buddha_: note you can use apt-file, packages.debian.org, or /msg judd file to figure out which package a file is in |
| 02:31.48 | maher | somiaj: ok - let me try running gdm first and then startx.... |
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| 02:34.51 | buddha_ | ok, thanks guys.. so I guess I did instal the driver right afterall |
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| 02:37.37 | Alives | what is the current kernel version in debian 6.0.5? |
| 02:37.57 | abrotman | 2.6.32 |
| 02:38.03 | Alives | sweet thanks |
| 02:38.05 | abrotman | though you have backports.debian.org as an option |
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| 02:38.29 | Alives | im hacking together an arm install |
| 02:38.29 | homecablee | whats a secure email server to run ? |
| 02:38.46 | Alives | homecablee: smtp? pop3? imap? |
| 02:39.00 | homecablee | i want to send and res emails |
| 02:39.54 | homecablee | i have a sgs3 phone also id like to beable to login to my email server from my phone |
| 02:40.05 | somiaj | homecablee: the mail server will be exim4 (default), but postfix, qmail, etc are all options for an email server. |
| 02:40.22 | abrotman | res? |
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| 02:40.36 | abrotman | somiaj: oh come now .. qmail hasn't been a real option since like 2001 :) |
| 02:40.42 | homecablee | receive |
| 02:41.00 | somiaj | abrotman: haha, I just stick with postfix and don't keep track. I belive debian still has sendmail and not sure who uses that. (: |
| 02:43.20 | abrotman | Solaris admins :) |
| 02:43.42 | damacus | anyone with a big sendmail environment |
| 02:43.53 | damacus | hopefully they're far fewer these days. |
| 02:43.53 | abrotman | lots of people |
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| 02:44.23 | abrotman | http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.201108/mxsurvey.html |
| 02:44.48 | abrotman | that looks totoaly scientific |
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| 02:45.53 | damacus | interesting nonetheless |
| 02:46.00 | damacus | i'm surprised at exim vs. postfix |
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| 02:47.09 | abrotman | remember, a lot of people use defaults |
| 02:48.13 | damacus | suppose so. i guess i didnt realize exim was a common default. |
| 02:48.56 | abrotman | it's the default in Debian .. and probably the default in Ubuntu |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | that's a lot of linux installs |
| 02:51.14 | damacus | looks like postfix is the default in fedora/rhel |
| 02:51.40 | Devastator | what about the greatest gentoo? |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | NFC, ask #gentoo |
| 02:52.10 | Devastator | hehe, i will |
| 02:52.22 | homecablee | what packaged for postfix do i need to install to send/receive email |
| 02:52.33 | damacus | just postfix |
| 02:52.34 | homecablee | package* |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | Devastator: be an interesting blog post, try the 20 most popular linux distros, see what each uses |
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| 02:52.45 | abrotman | homecablee: but you still have to configure it |
| 02:52.46 | damacus | <3 postfix |
| 02:53.01 | damacus | dpkg-reconfigure postfix to suit needs |
| 02:53.01 | homecablee | damacus can i pm you |
| 02:53.04 | damacus | sure |
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| 02:53.36 | e1z0 | dpkg-reconfigure your-head |
| 02:53.40 | abrotman | damacus: please keep it in the channel, that's preferred in #debian |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | (as long as it's on topic) |
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| 02:54.42 | joedy | Hi all |
| 02:54.49 | joedy | I have this daemon program |
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| 02:55.10 | joedy | which monitor devices e.g removed and add |
| 02:55.36 | joedy | also i have a function in the program that checks for available devices |
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| 02:55.48 | damacus | abrotman: rgr |
| 02:55.59 | joedy | now the problem is it creates a new instance of my program when i run it again |
| 02:56.20 | joedy | for example the name of my program is udevmon so i run it ./udevmon |
| 02:56.36 | joedy | now i run it again ./udevmon -s |
| 02:56.50 | joedy | it creates two process of my udevmon |
| 02:56.54 | joedy | how can i avoid this? |
| 02:56.58 | abrotman | lock file |
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| 02:57.03 | abrotman | or state file |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | whatever you'd like to call it |
| 02:57.18 | abrotman | or have your program do a pgrep of sort |
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| 02:57.30 | damacus | is there nothing that already does what you need? |
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| 02:57.40 | abrotman | runit/monit? |
| 02:57.45 | joedy | say if i run the program again it will first kill the process running udevmon and start a new one like that |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | so, code that in your program |
| 02:58.14 | joedy | runit/monit? |
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| 02:58.54 | joedy | i need to run the program many times so it must not create lots of process |
| 02:59.16 | veryhappy | hi guys i need your recommendations, i still have a pentium 3 that works still quite fast, i just used it in textmode i wanted to ask you if i should stay with debian or if i also can go to ubuntu? what's better? i mean debian is stable but doesn't allow so much new features like ubuntu, but i fear that the pentium 3 will be a little bit to slow for ubuntu |
| 02:59.26 | veryhappy | what shall i do now? |
| 02:59.32 | somiaj | joedy: you can use the programs from daemontools to do a lot of that. |
| 02:59.33 | abrotman | veryhappy: try them both, decide for yourself |
| 02:59.42 | maher | somiaj: thanks - turns out you need startx -- :1 -nolisten tcp, not startx -- -nolisten tcp :1 |
| 02:59.45 | veryhappy | abrotman: that's NOT helpful |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | veryhappy: yes, it is .. we can't tell you what's acceptable perforamnce for your use case .. you hae to try them both |
| 03:00.18 | veryhappy | abrotman: i asked you for a recommendation related to my text not try it out for yourself! i asked what to do especially on this pc |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | veryhappy: you're in #debian, use Debian, good luck |
| 03:00.41 | joedy | somiaj thank you.. |
| 03:00.45 | somiaj | joedy: another option is write a basic start/stop/status script that uses a lock/pid file, checks for it and acts accordinally. |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | veryhappy: this channel doesn't support ubuntu .. perhaps you wanted to ask ##linux ? |
| 03:01.55 | joedy | somiaj yes but i need to run the program again and again because i have different arguments for the program. |
| 03:02.02 | somiaj | joedy: so you use the script (or daemontools) to run your program and it will figure out if it is already running and exit accordinally. |
| 03:02.08 | somiaj | joedy: add a restart option then |
| 03:02.19 | joedy | say ./udevmon -s |
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| 03:02.29 | joedy | ./udevmon -s -b |
| 03:02.56 | maher | ata3.01: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x0 <-- i assume this is a bad sign |
| 03:03.38 | joedy | somiaj thanks i think adding a restart option will do. can u point me a good tutorial on how can i do that? |
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| 03:05.06 | somiaj | joedy: look up lsb init scripts if you want to make a start/stop/restart/status script for your daemon that meets those specificiations. daemontools is another option that has a lot of this stuff (and more) set up for running daemons. But you'll have to read the documentation for that as I haven't used it. |
| 03:05.45 | enyawix | Razor-Qt .deb? |
| 03:05.53 | joedy | okay thanks a somiaj.. you're a life saver. |
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| 03:07.14 | rawburt | if I add a file to /etc/logrotate.d/ do I just need to /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart? |
| 03:07.15 | veryhappy | pointless, bye |
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| 03:07.32 | damacus | haha |
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| 03:14.16 | ksx4system | how do I add /opt to PATH for all users? |
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| 03:14.47 | damacus | can add it to /etc/profile |
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| 03:15.46 | ksx4system | damacus: well, I tried but it didn't work for me |
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| 03:16.17 | ksx4system | damacus: my /etc/profile looks like this and I tried to add this to both of PATH lines - without luck |
| 03:16.37 | damacus | are you/your users using bash? |
| 03:16.54 | damacus | regular shell accounts |
| 03:16.58 | ksx4system | I'm the only user of this box. Both user and root accounts use bash. |
| 03:17.52 | ksx4system | but it's craziest PC-compatible box I've seen in my life and atm it doesn't boot anything that heavily modified Debian 4.0 etch |
| 03:18.39 | damacus | odd.. |
| 03:18.54 | ksx4system | heh, just an old thin client manufactured by IBM |
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| 03:19.09 | damacus | well, in the bash man page, FILES section, it tells you where all bash looks when setting up environment |
| 03:19.15 | damacus | maybe something else is overriding PATH |
| 03:19.30 | damacus | on my squeeze box I just tested.. changed PATH in /etc/profile and logged in, and it was there. |
| 03:19.49 | damacus | could try adding a new user account and log in and see if the PATH is as you expect |
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| 03:20.09 | damacus | if so, it's something in your other accounts' dotfiles |
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| 03:44.36 | devios | how do i make it so when i shut the laptop lid,it just turns off the screen but continues to run, instead of hibernating/sleeping? seems like script hacking that i dont understand, or some kind of tweak tool for gnome that isn't in apt from googling. anyone know? |
| 03:45.00 | subb1 | I have a few scripts to start at boot time in /etc/rc3.d/ . It is here: http://pastebin.com/hmnNW4nR . could you tell me in which order the system will start the scripts when booting to runlevel 3 ? My system is debian 4.0. |
| 03:45.42 | simonlnu | it won't run in 3 unless you explicitly tell it to |
| 03:46.47 | somiaj | subb1: basically numeric order, so S10 starts before S20 -- so think of it as start and priority. |
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| 03:49.55 | subb1 | somiaj, i see. So i have these links in /etc/rc3.c/ to scripts in /etc/init.d/ . So is it safe to assume that having these links in /etc/rc3.d/ is enough to start those services at boot time? or do I have to run update-rc.d to make them run at boot time? |
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| 03:50.30 | somiaj | subb1: by default debian boots into run level 2 (as simonlnu mentioned) so it will only run the startup scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ |
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| 03:50.38 | simonlnu | forget about rc3. if you set it up that way, fine, do that. but you should focus on rc2 |
| 03:51.07 | somiaj | subb1: you have to change to run level three to get those to run. Just use 2. All update-rc.d does is add/remove the scripts (and puts the corresponding number for prefered order) |
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| 03:51.21 | simonlnu | runlevels aren't set up like in centos or rhel in debian. that's left up to the admin to set up. |
| 03:51.22 | somiaj | subb1: so you should use that to make/remove the links from /etc/rc2.d/ to /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:51.24 | subb1 | somiaj simonlnu, I have system defaulted to 3 in /etc/inittab... |
| 03:51.45 | somiaj | subb1: fine we are just making sure you realize that are aren't suprised when they don't run. |
| 03:52.10 | somiaj | subb1: but yea use rc3 then |
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| 03:57.05 | simonlnu | awesome, have fun |
| 03:59.38 | subb1 | somiaj simonlnu, thank you both. is there an update-rc.d command equivalent to chkconfig --list , where I can see what services are on and off at what run levels? |
| 04:01.26 | somiaj | subb1: I don't know of one. Looking at the links will of course work. But I don't use multiple runlevels. |
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| 04:03.09 | subb1 | somiaj, so for debian, we just need to check the links with S in the required /etc/rcN.d/ directory, right? |
| 04:03.24 | subb1 | to see which services are on and off at boot time.... |
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| 04:10.10 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 04:10.32 | stonerfish | hi pie |
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| 04:11.04 | raden | anyone have a idea why running off caching DNS server i cannot access netflix or other streaming services but with 8.8.4.4 and 4.2.2.2 i can ? |
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| 04:11.13 | raden | running bind9 on debian with newest root hints |
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| 04:13.52 | ksx4system | raden: try with pdnsd and use your working DNS servers as source for pdnsd |
| 04:14.01 | ksx4system | bind sucks |
| 04:14.01 | damacus | are you allowing query? |
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| 04:14.19 | damacus | eg, allow-query { any; }; in named.conf.options |
| 04:14.31 | damacus | bind is awesome |
| 04:15.11 | raden | i have a named.conf but no options files |
| 04:15.45 | raden | never mind i see it |
| 04:17.17 | EasyAsPie | hi stonerfish |
| 04:17.17 | EasyAsPie | how r u? |
| 04:17.25 | raden | damacus, thats what it was .... |
| 04:17.25 | EasyAsPie | I'm lonely and depressed, looking to exchange pms |
| 04:17.29 | raden | what does that exactly do ? |
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| 04:17.48 | damacus | default setup is to just respond locally |
| 04:18.08 | damacus | instead of using any you could replace that with eg 192.168.1.0/24 etc |
| 04:18.53 | simonlnu | subb1: yes |
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| 04:19.08 | simonlnu | subb1: the number will tell you what order it is |
| 04:20.36 | subb1 | simonlnu, great. thank you. |
| 04:20.48 | raden | damacus, oddddddd |
| 04:20.56 | raden | damacus, worked for some stuff but not others |
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| 04:21.25 | damacus | weirdly enough.. i'm looking now, and this one doc is indicating that allow-query {any;}; is the default behavior when not specified |
| 04:22.27 | damacus | raden: does it still not work even if you set bind to forward to 4.2.2.2? |
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| 04:23.19 | damacus | and for testing, you can do nslookups from the server itself and another box on the net to reduce the problem set. and dont forget to flush resolver caches on the various machines you're testing on |
| 04:25.34 | raden | damacus, how do i set it to pull dns from 4.2.2.2 |
| 04:25.35 | raden | ? |
| 04:25.54 | simonlnu | EasyAsPie: not a social channel, but a support channel, but have a hug. *hug* |
| 04:25.57 | raden | still not working on 3 of the 4 devices |
| 04:26.01 | damacus | add forwards { 4.2.2.2; }; to named.conf.options |
| 04:26.06 | EasyAsPie | ty |
| 04:26.12 | damacus | errrr |
| 04:26.15 | damacus | forwarders |
| 04:26.17 | damacus | not forwards |
| 04:26.34 | raden | what are forwarders ? |
| 04:26.44 | raden | sorry not experianced with DNS |
| 04:26.55 | raden | forwards |
| 04:26.56 | damacus | forwarders are where bind will send queries when it doesn't know the answer to the query |
| 04:26.57 | raden | sorry |
| 04:27.07 | simonlnu | EasyAsPie: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 04:27.18 | raden | what are root hints for ? |
| 04:27.30 | damacus | those are if bind will look everything up on its own |
| 04:28.25 | damacus | unless you're running a large installation where all the DNS queries will give you a deep rich cache, you'll usually have faster lookups using forwarding |
| 04:28.31 | EasyAsPie | i did |
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| 04:29.16 | devios | how do i make it so when i shut the laptop lid,it just turns off the screen but continues to run, instead of hibernating/sleeping? seems like script hacking that i dont understand, or some kind of tweak tool for gnome that isn't in apt from googling. anyone know? |
| 04:30.16 | raden | damacus, gotcha |
| 04:30.27 | raden | damacus, does it still cache when using forwarders ? |
| 04:30.29 | gnarface | devios: i *don't* know but i was led to believe that acpi responses to such events are configurable in /etc/acpi somewhere |
| 04:30.32 | damacus | raden: yep |
| 04:30.50 | devios | gnarface: ya that's the script hacking that is beyond my abilities |
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| 04:31.06 | gnarface | devios: that said; most people don't have the problem you're having with your laptop. most people have trouble getting it to hibernate/sleep |
| 04:31.16 | raden | damacus, now i can load netflix but i get a error that the server could not be loaded fast enough ? |
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| 04:31.22 | raden | how can DNS cause this many issues |
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| 04:32.41 | grothendieck | lol |
| 04:32.50 | damacus | not sure. consider rebooting the box you're loading netflix on. |
| 04:32.51 | grothendieck | DNS is how URLS are translated to IP addresses |
| 04:32.54 | baronobeefdip | hey how do you use Xdmx on a machine that has two screens, how do you control what is displayed on those screens from the server that has the dmx console |
| 04:32.58 | raden | vudu works |
| 04:33.02 | raden | cinema now works |
| 04:33.02 | grothendieck | what you have in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:33.06 | grothendieck | ? |
| 04:33.10 | raden | on that machine ? |
| 04:33.13 | raden | 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:33.42 | devios | gnarface: well nanner nanner nanner to them! lol. im really irritated how difficult this seems to be. feel like i'm missing something. |
| 04:34.11 | simonlnu | raden: root hints. first, root is ".". the root nameservers. hints, hints pointing to what their ips are, and their FQDNs |
| 04:34.24 | gnarface | devios: its the lid i think is often hardware/bios specific and not something you can override with software necessarily every time, but there might be another way to override it, like by plugging in an external monitor before boot then closing it immediately after post (a trick that worked on linux with old mac laptops for me once) |
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| 04:34.42 | devios | gnarface: i remote into this system from another room all the time and dont want to leave it open in the other room when im not there. small child with grubby fingers and all... |
| 04:35.33 | damacus | raden: ah, didn't realizing you're accessing netflix from the dns server itself. |
| 04:35.40 | devios | gnarface: i know the laptop supports the desired behavior because it used to run vista and was very easy to make that setting in vista power saving settings |
| 04:36.01 | raden | damacus, im not |
| 04:36.07 | raden | damacus, its on my work network |
| 04:36.10 | raden | we have a WISP |
| 04:36.23 | raden | insert you should know what your doing comment >>>> |
| 04:36.26 | damacus | ah, ok, good. |
| 04:36.45 | raden | BDP , OSPF , general networking i get |
| 04:36.49 | raden | dns leaves me baffled |
| 04:37.00 | simonlnu | BGP maybe? :) |
| 04:37.01 | raden | should i remove db.root ? |
| 04:37.07 | simonlnu | no |
| 04:37.30 | damacus | that can stay |
| 04:37.38 | damacus | did you reboot the box you're using netflix on? |
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| 04:37.57 | damacus | also you should fire up a terminal or console and start doing nslookups of stuff |
| 04:38.05 | raden | damacus, 3 different streaming players |
| 04:38.09 | raden | a nexus tablet |
| 04:38.20 | damacus | i don't think dns is your problem - forwarding/caching bind shouldnt introduce any issues |
| 04:38.31 | raden | i change to 4.2.2.2 everything works |
| 04:38.38 | raden | i turned off firewall on router |
| 04:38.45 | raden | enabled loggin on interfaces |
| 04:38.49 | raden | i just dont get it |
| 04:38.56 | raden | i have like 30 people on that DNS server |
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| 04:40.17 | damacus | so if you go on another box.. that has DNS set to point to that server, and you do an nslookup mlb.com or some site you dont visit regular.. does it work? |
| 04:40.53 | raden | damacus, dns works fine just not netflix |
| 04:41.00 | damacus | that doesn't make any sense. |
| 04:41.04 | raden | i can go anywhere on the net no issues |
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| 04:41.14 | raden | just streaming players and netfdlix on everything dont work |
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| 04:42.24 | raden | damacus, run some queries |
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| 04:58.02 | xcess | hi, i am using debian testing with awesome. My problem is that xresources seems to load in wrong scope. When I launch xterm from awesome it does not reflect the new settings. But when I launch it from within xterm then it works. Any thoughts ? |
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| 05:08.04 | scanwinder | Hi, Does anybody know how to password protect an NFS share? I have tried searching for it but can't find anything |
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| 05:08.56 | damacus | scanwinder: no password protection for mounts |
| 05:09.03 | damacus | it's IP based and then filesystem-level security |
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| 05:09.45 | scanwinder | damacus: thanks for that, I suspected as much. I can easily restrict it by IP address for my purposes |
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| 05:09.59 | damacus | np |
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| 05:37.08 | dbb | hi - I would like a debian server with xfce4 .. do I have to install the package 'xorg' ? is package xfce4 enough ? I ask because I saw xorg in 'recommends' |
| 05:37.45 | blackshirt | dbb, you can use xorg-core for minimal xorg |
| 05:38.00 | nsadmin | is this a headless server you're going to ssh into and then run clients from? |
| 05:38.15 | dbb | I like to use the desktop apps sometimes via X |
| 05:38.21 | nsadmin | at minimum you will need x client libs (because xfce is a buncha clients) |
| 05:38.25 | dbb | like gedit or pgadmin |
| 05:38.44 | nsadmin | instead of pgadmin I like to use text editors |
| 05:38.48 | dbb | this is new to me .. thx for info .. what are the good choices (briefly)? |
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| 05:39.11 | dbb | xorg or xorg-core I mean |
| 05:39.27 | nsadmin | is this a remote server? |
| 05:39.41 | dbb | in another room in the same bldg |
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| 05:39.56 | nsadmin | oh, and in the same subnet too? |
| 05:39.59 | dbb | yes |
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| 05:40.22 | nsadmin | so you won't suffer the net latency you would if the server were 3000 miles/km away |
| 05:40.45 | nsadmin | does the server have any video? kbd? mouse? |
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| 05:40.58 | dbb | are there other choices besides package xorg or xorg-core ? |
| 05:41.08 | blackshirt | dbb,actually,you can do it without gui :d |
| 05:41.20 | dbb | yes it has a minimal video card, and I use a kvm on it |
| 05:41.24 | nsadmin | those are recommends, which means you don't need any xorg (or other x server) |
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| 05:41.56 | dbb | geez guys - dont talk me out of what I want.. I just want to have the xfce4 work |
| 05:42.21 | dbb | I will install packages xfce4 xorg |
| 05:42.22 | nsadmin | you originally asked if you can install xfce without an x server |
| 05:42.29 | nsadmin | we're saying yes, you can do that |
| 05:42.30 | dbb | no no |
| 05:42.53 | dbb | I meant to ask what do I need for xorg with a new xfce4 install |
| 05:43.12 | dbb | I dont know the xorg package, what it is and isnt... |
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| 05:43.26 | nsadmin | remember that x is client server... the server (the thing that handles video.kbd/mouse) would be the one running on your desktop |
| 05:43.33 | dbb | ok ok |
| 05:43.42 | dbb | thats from 1985 :-) |
| 05:43.44 | nsadmin | the clients are located on the thing in the other room running kvm |
| 05:43.57 | dbb | I know I remember those days! |
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| 05:44.17 | dbb | so I install xorg xfce4 |
| 05:44.23 | dbb | I will try now |
| 05:44.32 | nsadmin | you don't need xorg on the server :) |
| 05:44.51 | dbb | ok |
| 05:45.00 | nsadmin | those days are still these days!@ |
| 05:45.19 | dbb | it says xorg in recommends, thats what started this whole line of inquiry :-) |
| 05:45.33 | nsadmin | it's just that the perception has shifted since most people run an x server and x clients on the same box |
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| 05:45.48 | dbb | ah |
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| 05:47.30 | nsadmin | and, if you want, you can use your x server which is located on your normal desktop (in the nice warm well lit room) to ssh into the server machine (in the cold dank dungeon) and then run x clients from the ssh connection |
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| 05:48.34 | nsadmin | also any monitor in a server rack will be placed such your head and neck are in the most uncomfortable position possible |
| 05:48.57 | nsadmin | this is a tautology... just ask my neck... |
| 05:49.07 | dbb | suuuure |
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| 05:49.33 | piecemkr | nsadmin: i think you switched the places (normal desktop should be in the cold dank dungeon) ;) |
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| 05:49.43 | dbb | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.01 | dbb | so I am still missing something... |
| 05:50.17 | dbb | ' serial 195 error_code 2 request_code 143 minor_code 3' |
| 05:50.28 | dbb | I could try to look that up ... |
| 05:50.37 | nsadmin | piecemkr, oh, you mean aka parent's basement... |
| 05:50.41 | blackshirt | for beginner, i think that was seems bit complicated :d |
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| 05:51.39 | nsadmin | blackshirt, as you know you may even be able to run the xfce session starter executable over that ssh |
| 05:51.56 | dbb | well I often use ssh -X with the other machines, but somehow I am missing some ingredient on this minimal install |
| 05:51.59 | blackshirt | nsadmin, yes ... |
| 05:52.43 | nsadmin | or you can go even further, open up the tcp on whatever is doing xdmcp and run Xnest -query dungeon.server.com |
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| 05:53.34 | nsadmin | make it so it only listens to machines on the subnet... or just that machine |
| 05:54.07 | dbb | I cant do anything fun yet.. its still now running apps via X |
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| 05:54.15 | dbb | s/not/now/ |
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| 05:54.45 | nsadmin | dbb, probably that ingredient is xbase-clients and/or xauth |
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| 05:54.54 | dbb | listens |
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| 05:55.38 | nsadmin | or what did you mean by missing ingredient? is it not working properly? if yes what are the symptoms? |
| 05:56.05 | dbb | it is not working properly |
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| 05:56.51 | dbb | if I ssh -X to it now, and run a trivial app, it throws that X Window System error above |
| 05:57.04 | dbb | ' serial 195 error_code 2 request_code 143 minor_code 3' |
| 05:58.10 | nsadmin | never seen that |
| 05:58.51 | devios | how do i make it so when i shut the laptop lid,it just turns off the screen but continues to run, instead of hibernating/sleeping? seems like script hacking that i dont understand, or some kind of tweak tool for gnome that isn't in apt from googling. anyone know? |
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| 06:00.09 | nsadmin | funny, i want the opposite and instead have what you want |
| 06:00.47 | devios | nsadmin: lol |
| 06:01.02 | devios | i remote into this system from another room all the time and dont want to leave it open in the other room when im not there. small child with grubby fingers and all... |
| 06:02.01 | nsadmin | I guess you'd need to deal with additional heat issues if you were to close it up in some box |
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| 06:02.09 | nsadmin | I'm running kde |
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| 06:02.29 | homes | evening all |
| 06:02.43 | ksuhku | good morning |
| 06:02.54 | gnarface | yea heat would definitely be an issue unless you downclocked the crap out of it, and were able to ensure the fans stay on and the lcd off |
| 06:02.59 | devios | nsadmin: why are people trying to talk me out of it instead of agreeing that it's too hard :P lol |
| 06:03.39 | nsadmin | I think it's easy... just run kde |
| 06:03.46 | ChrisH | dbb: given error_Code from errno, than: #define ENOENT 2 /* No such file or directory */ |
| 06:03.50 | devios | nsadmin: snorez |
| 06:04.13 | nsadmin | or reduce the swap space to less than your total ram |
| 06:04.21 | nsadmin | I dunno if you wanna do that |
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| 06:04.37 | homes | hasn't used swap since 2.4 ^_^ |
| 06:04.57 | bullgard4 | '~# usermod -a -G admin <my username>' obtains: "usermod: group 'admin' does not exist." What can I do to become a member of the sudoers file? |
| 06:05.33 | devios | nsadmin: i dont really want a hack... drives me nuts when i stumble across these things that vista does and debian (out of the box, so to speak) doesn't |
| 06:05.38 | homes | bullgard4: what do you mean member of? presumably you don't mean visudo? |
| 06:05.44 | nsadmin | visudo? |
| 06:06.20 | nsadmin | devios, I didnn't suspect so... still I put it out there as last resorts |
| 06:06.24 | bullgard4 | homes: No. I do not intend to use the vi program. |
| 06:06.33 | devios | nsadmin: nods its a good idea - hadn't thought of that |
| 06:06.48 | devios | nsadmin: but not exactly what i wanted to do |
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| 06:07.20 | nsadmin | you'd have to find what's controlling the thing watching the lid switch |
| 06:07.27 | dbb | xauth and xbase-clients is already the newest version. |
| 06:07.33 | helena | Rght go buy me these items |
| 06:07.33 | dbb | :-( |
| 06:08.13 | bullgard4 | homes: I'd like to get rid of the error message: "<my username> is not in the sudoers file." |
| 06:08.33 | devios | if i could script worth a crap, it would be easy to edit the scripts for lid actions |
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| 06:08.44 | devios | but i program about as well as a pig flies |
| 06:09.12 | nsadmin | dbb, ok, try sshing in now, and run some simple x client like xev |
| 06:09.16 | bullgard4 | nsadmin: No. |
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| 06:09.27 | ksuhku | devios, scripting isn't too hard, try it! |
| 06:09.29 | helena | devios: You forgot something... |
| 06:09.33 | helena | pigs don't fly <3 |
| 06:09.43 | dbb | nsadmin: oh - that worked |
| 06:09.49 | nsadmin | you can lauhch them tho |
| 06:09.51 | devios | hahahahahahah |
| 06:09.53 | dbb | I wonder why gkrellm failed |
| 06:09.59 | piecemkr | pigs don't fly? that's new.. |
| 06:10.11 | kwork | american pigs dont fly ? |
| 06:10.16 | nsadmin | try running gkrellm |
| 06:10.35 | dbb | oh! that worked now! |
| 06:10.47 | dbb | something is better |
| 06:11.09 | dbb | even though it said xauth and xbase-clients is already the newest version. |
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| 06:11.22 | dbb | running the install again helped? |
| 06:11.24 | homes | bullgard4: perhaps read up a bit on how sudo/ers works :) where did you get usermod -G admin from, btw? admin isn't a default group in debian |
| 06:11.24 | nsadmin | which means they're already installed |
| 06:11.28 | dbb | well at any rate - thx |
| 06:11.39 | nsadmin | sure |
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| 06:13.01 | homes | bullgard4: fwiw visudo uses /usr/bin/editor, which may or may not be vi |
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| 06:13.57 | devios | ksuhku: if i tried to modify these scripts, i can pretty much garuntee closing the lid would cause a city-wide blackout |
| 06:14.11 | ksuhku | :) |
| 06:16.10 | bullgard4 | homes: I will add <my username> to /etc/group entry "sudo:x:27". |
| 06:16.41 | homes | bullgard4: why? |
| 06:17.11 | homes | ^is this guy a troll? or just /really/ new to this |
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| 06:17.57 | epitamizor | anyone know a free database I can use online |
| 06:18.18 | bullgard4 | homes: I got this recipe from the Internet. |
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| 06:19.21 | nsadmin | epitamizor, postgresql |
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| 06:20.03 | epitamizor | nsadmin, I meant one thats online without need to install |
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| 06:20.41 | homes | bullgard4: well, it would seem this 'recipe' sucks. hence all your problems. what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:23.03 | simonlnu | homes: just really new |
| 06:23.18 | simonlnu | (even though he's been coming here for years) |
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| 06:24.55 | homes | simonlnu: ahh. |
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| 06:26.24 | bullgard4 | homes: I tried to get rid of the error message: "<my username> username is not in the sudoers file." -- My second operation (described above) has worked successfully. -- Thank you. |
| 06:26.41 | devios | epitamizor: i remember there was one... lemme see if i can find it |
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| 06:29.14 | homes | bullgard4: well that's good. i can only assume your debian is different to mine :) |
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| 06:29.49 | bullgard4 | homes: Problem solved. All is well. Thank you again. |
| 06:29.52 | simonlnu | porbably made an admin group and added that to sudoers.d |
| 06:29.59 | simonlnu | pro* |
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| 06:30.51 | homes | nods |
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| 06:31.38 | pbase | i was viewing the email headers in icedove and saw the user agent string in it. i am now wondering on the relevence of that information in the header.. can anyone explain? |
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| 06:33.02 | simonlnu | more of a vanity thing than anything, IMO |
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| 06:33.53 | pbase | simonlnu: i doubt the developers have that kind of thinking |
| 06:34.05 | ksuhku | pbase, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_agent |
| 06:34.39 | simonlnu | i suspect it was by user request... |
| 06:34.39 | devios | love this new hulu bug where you have to refresh the browser because they cant get their commercials right? |
| 06:35.07 | devios | and doing so makes you watch even more commercials |
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| 06:35.40 | simonlnu | *cough* adblock *cough* |
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| 06:36.58 | devios | is that what it is? i disabled adblock on hulu site |
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| 06:42.20 | pbase | ksuhku: i understand it for a browser.. but an email client?? |
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| 06:42.39 | simonlnu | only place i disable adblock is on my websites. because i don't have any ads. |
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| 06:43.21 | jyc_ | hello - for some reason, my internet connection is very slow in Debian 6 |
| 06:43.30 | ksuhku | pbase, I guess it fetches stuff from the net, like pictures etc as some people don't stick with proper text only email |
| 06:43.33 | simonlnu | believes in net neutrality, not ad neutrality |
| 06:43.38 | Sm0ke0ut | I think that's more related to your connection than Debian... |
| 06:44.18 | simonlnu | yes (WRT email user agent) |
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| 06:45.40 | jyc__ | and on every other device I have in my house |
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| 06:48.28 | homes | he was right about the very slow |
| 06:48.42 | ksuhku | :D |
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| 06:53.57 | devios | simonlnu: i just get aggrivated when i agree to see their stupid ads over and over again and they can't even get that right. i am bitter about hulu plus having ads and not having as much (current show) content as hulu free. i am bitter that i have to build an HTPC or hack a boxee box to watch hulu free on my hdtv. etc. hulu just all around encourages content theft. lol |
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| 06:54.49 | devios | i notice that the ad that they are loading from not hulu is always the third ad too |
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| 06:55.12 | devios | so i end up watching three ads and listening to the elevator music in place of the ad that isn't working |
| 06:55.31 | ksuhku | just dump hulu |
| 06:55.33 | nvz | I dont suppose anyone could explain to me why for example a 1gb torrent takes up 1gb on disk even if I cancel it before it downloads 1mb.. I just had a really obscure bug that seems to be related to the fact I had only 16kb of available space despite the fact I actually had 1.7GB but somehow or another it was all "reserved" for data I didn't actually have or any intention of having |
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| 06:56.19 | devios | ksuhku: dont have cable/sat here, and dont have an htpc for the ota, and dont wanna illegally watch |
| 06:56.29 | nvz | whatever is happening there, I'd rather it never do that, ever |
| 06:56.43 | ksuhku | devios, there's more to life besides the boom box |
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| 06:57.07 | devios | nvz: think it makes a container on the disk, then fills it in, |
| 06:57.07 | Player | nvz: because downloading torrents, based on your client, reserves the space |
| 06:57.23 | nvz | I suppose I could understand that with something like torrents where its downloaded asynchronously and different parts of the file at once |
| 06:57.25 | Player | nvz: your client should have an option to reserve or not the space for it |
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| 06:57.53 | ksuhku | and disk is so cheap |
| 06:58.38 | nvz | yeah well thats everyone's answer to everything.. its so cheap.. then buy it for me ;-P |
| 06:58.54 | nvz | I got a 2TB drive in the mail.. that doesnt help me now.. heh |
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| 06:59.34 | Player | nvz: then the answer is patience, or 42 |
| 06:59.39 | nvz | right now I got a 160gb drive thats full and on the verge of crapping out.. heh |
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| 07:00.41 | nvz | but yeah, transmission doesn't seem to have any options related to that, I'm just very in tune with all the resources of my system and when needed I push them close to the limit.. I don't like the idea that something wastes space its not actually using |
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| 07:03.41 | devios | nvz: Transmission allocates the full file to reduce fragmentation. |
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| 07:04.05 | nvz | well thats great if it actually "delete files and remove" like it says |
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| 07:04.54 | nvz | but it never has in my experience.. it leaves the torrent, the data, and occupies the full space of the file regardless if I actually downloaded it or not.. heh |
| 07:05.16 | Player | for me the delete and remove worked always.. |
| 07:05.25 | Player | i don't have a system now, but when i did, i didn't have problems |
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| 07:06.22 | nvz | idk.. it'll all be forgotten soon enough I ordered all the stuff to build a decent P4 desktop with plenty of space and a good gfx card, and got myself an open source router with USB storage and crap |
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| 07:06.47 | Player | open source router? What is that? |
| 07:06.56 | Player | you mean a router that can take openwrt? |
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| 07:07.53 | nvz | basically yeah, but this one unlike the WRT series is actually designed to be open source and marketed as such.. major drawback I imagine will be the signal strength due to lack of external antennas, but thats easily fixed |
| 07:08.38 | nvz | I mostly plan to use it to pickup the signal of the WRT54G and drive a wired network, with the ability to handle crap like torrents on its own |
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| 07:15.46 | bullgard4 | What key on a computer keyboard is meant by '<Primary>'? |
| 07:15.56 | simonlnu | ctrl |
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| 07:16.47 | bullgard4 | simonlnu: It works. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
| 07:17.02 | Player | OMG Apple words |
| 07:17.04 | Player | runs |
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| 07:19.36 | bullgard4 | Player: No. Xfce documentation. |
| 07:20.08 | Player | I menat the "It works." |
| 07:20.12 | Player | *meant even |
| 07:21.28 | bullgard4 | Player: Please keep in mind that not everyone's native language in this channel is English. |
| 07:21.58 | Player | as it is not mine either ... |
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| 07:25.17 | jyc_ | Hello, my slow internet problems with Debian seem to continue. |
| 07:25.37 | jyc_ | I've tried setting the nameservers manually, but that hasn't helped either. |
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| 07:32.11 | cardamon | Hey, trying to figure out how to get mysql-workbench on my laptop to connect to a mysql server running on my desktop. |
| 07:32.39 | cardamon | I have an existing ssh server already. |
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| 07:33.15 | nsadmin | yeah, that;s what I wanted to know next... what part of this have you done already |
| 07:33.27 | nsadmin | what else? |
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| 07:33.55 | cardamon | I'm trying to add it as a connection, but it's failing...hold on, trying to take a screenshot. |
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| 07:34.51 | ChrisH | cardamon: is the MySQL Server listening on more then 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 07:34.52 | nsadmin | so... you've also installed all the individual pieces (workbench, mysql server, what else)? |
| 07:36.02 | bullgard4 | jyc_: Your description is not precise enough. |
| 07:36.45 | cardamon | nsadmin: just that. Worbench and mysql-server and their deps. |
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| 07:38.21 | nsadmin | and, each on a separate machine? |
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| 07:39.04 | cardamon | server has workbench and mysql-server. remote just has workbench. |
| 07:39.47 | cardamon | http://imgur.com/BGXs1 |
| 07:39.51 | nsadmin | ok, did the workbench on the server work? |
| 07:40.21 | nsadmin | that is was it able to connect to the mysql? |
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| 07:41.06 | cardamon | It won't connect. That's the problem. |
| 07:41.44 | nsadmin | not even the one on the same machine as the mysql? |
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| 07:42.00 | cardamon | I don't know. Haven't tried it on there. |
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| 07:42.35 | cardamon | ChrisH: no, just bound to 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:43.00 | nsadmin | one thing you can do is try sshing into the server and then running workbench from the ssh shell |
| 07:43.56 | ksuhku | I can take a screenshot of framebuffer with cp /dev/fb0 filename but how can I view the file? |
| 07:44.28 | nsadmin | one thing you could try is file <thatfile> to see what it is |
| 07:44.37 | cardamon | Ah. |
| 07:44.40 | cardamon | I think... |
| 07:44.43 | cardamon | hmm |
| 07:44.57 | cardamon | Password didn't get changed like I told it to. |
| 07:45.04 | cardamon | I've been using a bad password. |
| 07:45.13 | cardamon | No wonder. |
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| 07:45.51 | cardamon | Well, no that only...grr. |
| 07:46.13 | ksuhku | nsadmin, file says just "data" |
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| 07:49.50 | cardamon | Okay, I got it successfully test the connection on the server. |
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| 07:50.55 | cardamon | But trying the remote still gives me the "could not connect to the SSH tunnel" error. |
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| 07:53.37 | Mogget | Hey guys. I have a script that sends me an email depending on the return value of "$service my_service status". This works great when running it manually as the intended user. But not when I put it in /etc/cron.d |
| 07:54.06 | Mogget | When tailing /var/log/cron i see that the script is executed but my maillog is telling me that there is no mail being sent. |
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| 07:54.22 | Mogget | What is the difference between running manually and in /etc/cron.d |
| 07:54.23 | Mogget | ? |
| 07:54.59 | nsadmin | ksuhkuin that case you either need to find out another way what kind of data it is and convert it, or find a completely different way to capture the fb into data in the right format |
| 07:56.06 | nsadmin | probably it runs as root from that cron dir |
| 07:57.35 | Mogget | nsadmin: I have this line in the cron file: /home/hmartins/Desktop/Net-IS |
| 07:57.44 | Mogget | nsadmin: oops, wrong paste there |
| 07:57.50 | cardamon | bind-addess is currently set to 127.0.0.1 on mysql server...should that be blank for remote access? |
| 07:58.06 | Mogget | nsadmin: I have this line in the cron file: */1 * * * * netadmin /usr/local/bin/em-poller-check |
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| 07:58.32 | Mogget | so it should be running every minute as it should and as netadmin as the cron log is telling me. |
| 07:59.03 | Mogget | I am thinking that maybe there are some environmental variables that does not get set when running scripts like this way maybe? |
| 07:59.14 | cardamon | ...that doesn't seem to hlep. |
| 07:59.38 | cardamon | I don't know waht to do now. |
| 07:59.52 | nsadmin | you can try 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:00.03 | nsadmin | but maybe you shouldn't leave it that way |
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| 08:01.44 | nsadmin | */1 ==> * |
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| 08:02.11 | nsadmin | */1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1 ==> * |
| 08:02.15 | cardamon | That didn'twork either. |
| 08:02.35 | nsadmin | did you restart mysql? |
| 08:03.06 | nsadmin | (in order that it would reread its config files) |
| 08:03.10 | cardamon | yes. |
| 08:03.13 | ChrisH | Mogget: cron executes script in a very minimalistic ENV. What is netadmin ? Does the script starts with an explicit shell? If bash is used, add a set -xv and use at now for testing |
| 08:03.29 | jyc_ | Bullgard4: how would you like it to be more precise? |
| 08:03.48 | nsadmin | check that it's actually listening... look thru output of netstat -a |
| 08:03.48 | cardamon | I'm gonna leave it alone for now. |
| 08:04.07 | nsadmin | are you getting connection refused? |
| 08:04.21 | cardamon | i'm getting that error box in that image I send you. |
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| 08:04.31 | cardamon | I can ssh in. I'm doing it right now. |
| 08:04.47 | cardamon | I'm on my remote but this terminal is in a screen on my server. |
| 08:04.56 | nsadmin | ok, that shows ssh is listening and that the machine is basically working |
| 08:05.12 | nsadmin | see if there's logs from mysql starting |
| 08:05.12 | cardamon | I did poke a hole in my firewall at port 3306 |
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| 08:06.00 | D4rKr0W | i have a numeric md5 hash (not in a .md5 file) and i need to check a file against this number, how do i do that? md5sums wants some crappy .md5 file and i am not able to create that by hand |
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| 08:07.14 | cardamon | logs are empty. |
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| 08:08.42 | cardamon | I give up. |
| 08:08.49 | cardamon | back later |
| 08:09.31 | phorce1 | cardamon: you also have to make sure rights are granted to users coming from other than localhost |
| 08:09.36 | raz0 | Hrm. Anyone know how to avoid the following? When I am playing some music in Amarok at a certain volume, if I open a flash movie in e.g. youtube, this increases the volume of the music playing in Amarok while the flash player is open. Very annoying. |
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| 08:14.26 | crtxc | hi. Wanting to blacklist a module I did 'depmod -ae' as suggested by the wiki but got this: WARNING: -e needs -E or -F? Using F needes an argment but which? I don't know what the E does. How do I generate my module dependency file? |
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| 08:15.14 | hansmeier | how do I change window decorations with compiz? |
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| 08:15.35 | nsadmin | crtxc, the man page should have all that |
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| 08:15.51 | crtxc | man depmod? |
| 08:16.32 | nsadmin | is that what you're running? (I think you said you are, but now not so sure) |
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| 08:16.51 | nsadmin | if so, yes, try that first |
| 08:17.06 | crtxc | trying to do this: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
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| 08:18.33 | JeffJohnson | anybody have an Idea why my init script B is started before A? B has (Should-Start: A) and in the rc*.d directory A is ordered before B |
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| 08:19.18 | crtxc | man depmod doesn't show an option -E and -F requires an argument but I have no idea what argument I am to use to accomplish the file creation. |
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| 08:21.22 | crtxc | -E Module.symvers |
| 08:21.56 | nsadmin | according to the man page, what is the argument to -F? |
| 08:22.41 | crtxc | -F --filesyms System.map Supplied with the System.map produced when the kernel was built, this allows the -e option to report unresolved symbols. |
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| 08:23.23 | nsadmin | so, this system.map is a product of a kernel compile... |
| 08:23.32 | nsadmin | hey, there's kernel stuff in /boot |
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| 08:25.07 | crtxc | ... and when I do 'depmod -ae' like the wiki says I get this: http://pastebin.com/GZhZLw88 |
| 08:25.41 | crtxc | oops when I do depmod -aeF |
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| 08:27.13 | nsadmin | and it looks from the man page that -a is not present in either of the two synopses |
| 08:27.45 | nsadmin | -a is the only option familiar to me, and is as far as I know the most used |
| 08:28.51 | crtxc | nsadmin: so should I just do depmod -a? |
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| 08:29.29 | nsadmin | my tendency is to say yes, but then I wonder why the wiki says to use it |
| 08:29.58 | crtxc | nsadmin: yes this is where I am confused and uncertain. |
| 08:30.46 | nsadmin | -a: ... this option is enabled by default if no file names are given on the command line |
| 08:31.32 | nsadmin | it's too bad no one is responding who has real info |
| 08:33.50 | crtxc | My concern is that blacklisting modules is an important thing. If the wiki instruction is incorrect it should be corrected. I don't know how to correct the wiki but first I need to know if it is incorrect. |
| 08:33.53 | Rix | is it possible to view user bash history(under root) if that user has cleared it |
| 08:34.25 | nsadmin | Rix, not that I know of |
| 08:34.51 | Rix | and what about process run history or sth? |
| 08:35.31 | Rix | and is it possible to forbid clearing history (or make a copy of it that user cant delete)? |
| 08:36.19 | themill | crtxc: -F must be followed by something |
| 08:36.37 | crtxc | themill: What? |
| 08:36.53 | crtxc | that is what I am trying to figure. :) |
| 08:36.54 | themill | you can't just say "-F" you have to say "-F filename" exactly as that error message says |
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| 08:37.27 | crtxc | themill: but what file name? What file? Or do I use the -E option. |
| 08:37.55 | themill | whatever filename you want. I have no idea what your goal is in touching depmod (you should never need to) |
| 08:38.18 | crtxc | trying to do this: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 08:38.44 | cjae | wowzers does a min net install ever take a long time |
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| 08:41.11 | crtxc | so do I create a file modules.dep in /etc/modprobe.d and use that as the argument for -F? |
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| 08:44.03 | Mogget | ChrisH: netadmin is a user i just added with useradd in my testing environment. I will try the set -xv and see what happens. |
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| 08:46.56 | subb1 | hi |
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| 08:47.49 | subb1 | I use debian4. I'm able to see sysklogd and klogd under /etc/init.d/. Are those files from the system logger "syslog" package which has the config file /etc/syslog.conf? |
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| 08:49.09 | ChrisH | Mogget: do you expect cron to do an su netadmin there? |
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| 08:50.35 | Mogget | ChrisH: when I look in the /etc/cron.d folder all the scripts has the username prepended to the command and in the logs it does say that it is running as the username. |
| 08:51.29 | JeffJohnson | debian still uses the etc/rc*.d script for booting? right? Also with the new dependency + parallel booting feature? |
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| 08:51.52 | Mogget | ChrisH: I see the error, when doing set -xv the result coming in on the root email is that the service is responding 127 |
| 08:52.16 | Mogget | ChrisH: Thanks for the set -xv suggestion. Now I have something to debug atleast. |
| 08:53.03 | nsadmin | JeffJohnson, yes, and, look into insserv |
| 08:55.32 | JeffJohnson | nsadmin: already read the wiki pages about lsb + dependency booting +insserv and the insserv manpage |
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| 09:07.56 | ChrisH | Mogget: You need to put that crontjob into this user's crontab if it is exoected to be executed as a different user |
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| 09:11.14 | ChrisH | Is a Debian (or Linux generic) alternativ to SysV Init as we have SMF in Solaris? Stop/disable ntp svcadm disable ntp or stop until the next reboot: svcadm disbale -t ntp ? I lost a the overview a bit with upstart and Co. |
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| 09:13.28 | nsadmin | JeffJohnson, in that case... the answer is "yes" |
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| 09:38.06 | jasox | In which package is shared library libnet.so, can someone give me reference. |
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| 09:38.44 | ChrisH | jasox: tried aptitiude search libnet.so or apt-file search libnet.so ? |
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| 09:42.15 | jasox | yeah, ChrisH |
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| 09:42.52 | jasox | It game me as result some weird perl related package |
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| 09:46.52 | ChrisH | jasox: What program does need that libnet? |
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| 09:47.16 | nsadmin | any program which links to it |
| 09:48.02 | nsadmin | if the lib is in a package, then you can look at the dependency tree |
| 09:48.03 | ChrisH | nsadmin: such a linked program in debian should request the lib as dependency?! |
| 09:48.12 | nsadmin | yes |
| 09:48.17 | ChrisH | therefore I asked :) |
| 09:49.18 | jasox | Thanks ChrisH apt-file search helped me ;) |
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| 09:49.26 | ChrisH | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libnet1 ? |
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| 09:50.39 | Ecco | Hi guys. What network appliance would you recommend to block P2P traffic, and to do some basic traffic shaping (prioritize VoIP, and ensure a faire sharing of bandwidth among users) ? |
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| 09:50.52 | Ecco | (Not specifically Debian-related, but I thought you guys might know) |
| 09:51.29 | nsadmin | Ecco, p2p is a generic name for a -lot- of different protocols |
| 09:51.39 | Ecco | indeed |
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| 09:52.01 | nsadmin | some of which have no doubt been created in secret... |
| 09:52.05 | ChrisH | Ecco: sounds like you need a firewall with deep packet inspection. |
| 09:52.09 | Ecco | I'm looking for a hardware device that would be in the ~100€ ballpark |
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| 09:52.14 | Ecco | Indeed |
| 09:52.15 | Ecco | I |
| 09:52.19 | Ecco | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.20 | Ecco | an |
| 09:52.21 | Ecco | d |
| 09:52.22 | Ecco | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.25 | Ecco | (sorry, buggy IRC client) |
| 09:52.36 | Ecco | And I have no idea of the actual price, nor where to look at |
| 09:52.37 | Ecco | I |
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| 09:52.57 | Ecco | I've always used recycled PC boxes, but in that case I need something "solid" as I won't have physical access |
| 09:52.59 | ChrisH | Ecco: honest answer: forget it in that price range... block anything and open only known ports |
| 09:53.14 | nsadmin | the thing is you (or anyone, or a device) can't block traffic you can't recognize |
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| 09:53.27 | Ecco | ChrisH: Ok, makes sense :-) |
| 09:53.48 | Ecco | I'm not trying to find an impossible deal |
| 09:54.09 | Ecco | Thing is, I've zero experience in network appliances outside of switches and WiFi access points |
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| 09:54.44 | Ecco | When I have time, I set up a Debian router. Here I can't do that : not enough time, no physical access. I need something simple and reliable. |
| 09:54.56 | ChrisH | Ecco: force http,https through a proxy. Depends all on details we do not know and maybe you do not yet know. |
| 09:54.58 | Ecco | Yet I can't just "open everything up", or people will do P2P like crazy and ruin VoIP. |
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| 09:55.34 | Ecco | It's a very simple setup actually: small student residence. One shared DSL line. One switch, one ethernet plug per room, and 4 WiFi hotspots. |
| 09:55.46 | Ecco | People want "internet access" (yes that probably means HTTP for most people) |
| 09:56.07 | tziOm | I have a few problems I would like to resolve (without actually installing anything) in apt: liblockfile1 : Depends: liblockfile-bin (>= 1.09-4) but it is not installable PreDepends: multiarch-support but it is not installable AND bsd-mailx : Depends: default-mta or mail-transport-agent |
| 09:56.43 | nsadmin | Ecco, for someone who knows, that means unrestricted access for all ports |
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| 09:58.23 | Ecco | Sure. But there are some basic things I have to block : illegal activities (once again for most people, that means BitTorrent/eDonkey), and I have to ensure a fair repartition of the bandwidth (i.e. not having one dude blocking all VoIP by downloading like crazy from a megaupload copycat) |
| 09:58.46 | swaP | I love ecco shoes |
| 09:58.52 | Ecco | :-D |
| 09:58.54 | nsadmin | meetoo |
| 09:59.13 | swaP | but my gf says they are not pretty. but it feels so good to wear them |
| 09:59.14 | nsadmin | I've worn out my ecco loafers many times over |
| 09:59.17 | swaP | :[ |
| 10:00.28 | nsadmin | I talked to a salesperson who says that ecco doesn't fill in all colors for particular styles |
| 10:00.35 | nsadmin | for examole |
| 10:00.36 | nkuttler | Ecco: bittorrent isn't illegal ffs.. |
| 10:00.41 | Ecco | ok |
| 10:00.48 | Ecco | Guys, please stop being so picky |
| 10:00.57 | Ecco | Of course bitTorrent isn't illegal per se |
| 10:01.06 | nsadmin | picky about colored shoes?! |
| 10:01.08 | Ecco | :-D |
| 10:01.13 | specing | Ecco: allow torrents |
| 10:01.20 | specing | do bulk QoS |
| 10:01.25 | swaP | qos that shit up |
| 10:01.28 | specing | :) |
| 10:01.28 | Ecco | And risk having our DSL line shut down ? |
| 10:01.36 | specing | Where do you live? |
| 10:01.39 | Ecco | France |
| 10:01.46 | specing | then you're fine! |
| 10:01.52 | Ecco | Crappy law: bittorrenting gets your DSL line shut down |
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| 10:01.58 | specing | really? |
| 10:01.58 | specing | :O |
| 10:02.06 | Ecco | Yup |
| 10:02.07 | specing | fail france :D |
| 10:02.11 | Ecco | Yes |
| 10:02.19 | specing | Luckily I live in a saner part of Europe |
| 10:02.20 | nkuttler | Ecco: did you have a technical question? |
| 10:02.47 | swaP | he wants to know how to restrict torrenting |
| 10:02.53 | henux | how do i restart the network system over ssh without rebooting after the system i have made changes to /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 10:02.55 | nsadmin | does your dsl provider have a problem with torrents? |
| 10:03.03 | swaP | nsadmin, they do |
| 10:03.17 | specing | What is their problem with them? |
| 10:03.20 | Ecco | Yes : what router/firewall would you recommend for a 100-300€ price range |
| 10:03.26 | swaP | henux, service ssh restart |
| 10:03.36 | swaP | oohright |
| 10:03.39 | specing | My ISP even provides instructions on how to get torrents rolling |
| 10:03.42 | swaP | service networking restart |
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| 10:03.46 | nkuttler | henux: i'd just use ifconfig. and run a script that reboots unless i abort it.. |
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| 10:03.59 | specing | Ecco: PC engines ALIX |
| 10:04.04 | henux | thanks |
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| 10:04.08 | nsadmin | probably you want to do that in a screen |
| 10:04.23 | nkuttler | henux: you know about screen, right? |
| 10:04.31 | specing | TMUX FTW |
| 10:04.33 | Ecco | it's not an ISP problem: the government is joining BitTorrent swarm, and then asks your ISP to shut down your connection |
| 10:04.45 | specing | screen is old |
| 10:04.49 | henux | nkuttler: yes |
| 10:04.53 | ksuhku | screen is gold |
| 10:04.55 | swaP | Ecco,vpn traffic :P |
| 10:04.58 | Ecco | Sure :-) |
| 10:05.03 | Ecco | that's what I do :-) |
| 10:05.07 | specing | ksuhku: tmux FTW |
| 10:05.12 | Ecco | but here i'm responsible for some random student's traffic |
| 10:05.18 | nsadmin | specing, is that bad? |
| 10:05.19 | Ecco | Also, what if someone does illegal crap? |
| 10:05.32 | nkuttler | Ecco: really, #debian is not about laws |
| 10:05.41 | specing | nsadmin: Its usefull for serial lines ;) |
| 10:05.49 | specing | But as a multiplexer? not really |
| 10:05.54 | specing | tmux pwns it 1000* over |
| 10:06.02 | nsadmin | nono, didn't mean for a multiplexer |
| 10:06.04 | Ecco | yes, I know. I just thought someone here had some good advice as to what hardware device I should buy. |
| 10:06.17 | specing | Ecco: < specing> Ecco: PC engines ALIX |
| 10:06.20 | Ecco | (and I know it's not Debian related, and I apologized for it initially) |
| 10:06.43 | nsadmin | I was just saying a networking restart could happen in a screen to have a better chance to run to completion |
| 10:06.47 | swaP | hardware device? i thought you wanted to stuff |
| 10:06.57 | Ecco | Oh, sweet. Thanks specing |
| 10:07.06 | specing | :) |
| 10:07.21 | specing | get the 2d3 one (or 13 if you need NTP) |
| 10:07.41 | specing | 3 ethernet ports: WAN + LAN + DMZ |
| 10:07.43 | Ecco | Nice |
| 10:07.58 | specing | you can run caching DNS and stuff on there as it has 256M ram |
| 10:08.02 | Ecco | In terms of software, is there anything by default or am I on my own ? |
| 10:08.17 | specing | I ran voyage on it for some time |
| 10:08.39 | specing | voyage is a stripped down debian adjusted for flash and embedded |
| 10:08.50 | specing | Now I run full-blown Gentoo on it |
| 10:09.04 | Ecco | Doesn't it take ages to build anything ? |
| 10:09.07 | specing | no |
| 10:09.23 | ksuhku | :) |
| 10:09.42 | specing | Gentoo build cluster ;) |
| 10:09.45 | Ecco | :-) |
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| 10:12.29 | swaP | Ecco |
| 10:12.37 | swaP | if you have a spare computer hanging around |
| 10:12.43 | swaP | could try ClearOS |
| 10:12.46 | Ecco | Yeah, I know, this I've done in the past already. |
| 10:12.47 | swaP | its free :P |
| 10:13.01 | swaP | its sorta slow |
| 10:13.07 | swaP | though ;p |
| 10:13.08 | Ecco | The issue with using a spare PC is that the hardware isn't that solid |
| 10:13.19 | Ecco | You often end up having to do some manual intervention |
| 10:13.41 | swaP | mmhm |
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| 10:14.40 | swaP | dd-wrt? |
| 10:15.24 | ChrisH | OpenWRT? FritzBox? |
| 10:15.52 | Ecco | Indeed |
| 10:15.59 | Ecco | That's probably what I'll end up using :-) |
| 10:15.59 | swaP | Chris Hanson helloo |
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| 10:44.35 | nlkl | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.53 | crtxc | nlkl: what is that? |
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| 10:45.56 | nlkl | crtxc: nothing :) just want to know about that freeze : ) |
| 10:46.34 | crtxc | :) |
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| 10:54.29 | bullgard4 | Description of the DEB program package »slim«: "Desktop-independent graphical loginadministration for X11." What does here mean "desktop-independent"? |
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| 10:55.26 | nkuttler | bullgard4: not much really.. some DMs depend on some largish libs like gdm and kdm |
| 10:56.12 | bullgard4 | nkuttler: Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 11:05.47 | LordShiva | Is there anyone around knowledgeable with Alsa and pulse and settings in debian I have big problem with it |
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| 11:09.51 | bullgard4 | LordShiva: You better describe your situation more precisely. |
| 11:10.21 | LordShiva | ok |
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| 11:10.32 | LordShiva | I have problem with pulse and alsa |
| 11:10.56 | LordShiva | I have tried some solutions from linuxquestions and fuckedup even more |
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| 11:11.30 | LordShiva | Now I have problem that on every 10 minutes I get muted all channels on my alsa mixer |
| 11:11.55 | LordShiva | I mean I use xfce xfce mixer Front Headphone and master get muted after 10 minutes |
| 11:11.57 | bullgard4 | LordShiva: It is wise to obtain an error message and report the complete error message here. |
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| 11:13.18 | LordShiva | I dont get any errors just muting the sound |
| 11:13.34 | LordShiva | but here is the part of syslog file in that time |
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| 11:14.12 | bullgard4 | LordShiva: The fact that the xfce mixer gets muted after 10 minutes should reflect in a log. Did you look in /var/log/syslog at that time? |
| 11:14.26 | LordShiva | here it is |
| 11:14.57 | LordShiva | http://pastebin.com/Le1wyieR |
| 11:15.33 | LordShiva | can you find out anything from it ? |
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| 11:18.03 | MrGeneral | does anyone here use scoutapp? |
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| 11:20.06 | bullgard4 | LordShiva: "debian kernel: pulseaudio[2804]: segfault at 7c ip 00007f6ecfd2d099 sp..." is a severe bug. Please check if you configured your audio system all right. May be '~$ sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' will help. |
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| 11:20.47 | MrGeneral | does anyone here use scoutapp? I'm getting this error http://pastie.org/private/dgnvwdrguixv4r3zo3722a |
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| 11:23.16 | LordShiva | Hmmm bullgard4 , no I cant update whole system I'm already on wheezy but I have problem with fglrx driver in wheezy it is incompatible with xserver from wheezy so I need all xserver packages to keep in squeeze no wheezy no sid |
| 11:24.16 | tziOm | How can I make debian remove dependencies? |
| 11:24.27 | tziOm | so I am able to use apt get without installing what debian think I need? |
| 11:24.51 | bullgard4 | LordShiva: I do not know how to solve a fglrx driver problem in wheezy otherwise. |
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| 11:26.25 | crtxc | tziOm: why do you want to do that? You don't want dependencies resolved? |
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| 11:28.32 | tziOm | crtxc, that is correct |
| 11:28.58 | tziOm | crtxc, I have manually met the dependencies with source installs, and dont care to make debian packages of those things |
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| 11:29.13 | tziOm | crtxc, So I need to tell apt not to bother, basically.. its all fine |
| 11:29.14 | Excalibr | hey I remember someone here once pointed to a way to set advanced file permission but I can't recall it |
| 11:29.56 | Iridos | chattr/lsattr or acls |
| 11:29.57 | crtxc | ok |
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| 11:32.04 | urmet | Hi. I need to detect when a server has rebooted and I thought I'll send an e-mail from rc.local but i get an error message in the boot log: send-mail: cannot open mail.exam.pel:25 |
| 11:32.21 | urmet | if i log in a second later and run it again, the mail gets sent |
| 11:32.26 | tziOm | crtxc, How would I do that? |
| 11:32.39 | urmet | what could be the problem? |
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| 11:35.20 | ChrisH | urmet: no mailer started during rc.local gets executed |
| 11:35.58 | urmet | hm. what are my options then? |
| 11:37.01 | ChrisH | put the script to a later point. depending on your default-runlevel. rc3.d/S99-notifyme ? |
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| 11:39.33 | urmet | ChrisH, the only things after rc.local are rmnologin and stop-bootlogd |
| 11:39.46 | Excalibr | Iridos: that's probably it. do you think it's possible to set up a dir permission for a folder shared by multi local users in a way that any files/dirs created in it by any users will inherit the main folder's owner&group permission? |
| 11:39.53 | urmet | I cant see how they can affect anything |
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| 11:40.59 | zmitya | hi gents |
| 11:41.07 | urmet | I use ssmtp for getting mail out and that shouldn't need any daemons running or anything |
| 11:41.30 | zmitya | how can I filter out the files in a directory which are created within the last 5 seconds ? |
| 11:41.49 | zmitya | find does not work for me for some reason |
| 11:42.17 | zmitya | find . -mtime -5s -> find: missing argument to `-mtime' |
| 11:42.36 | ChrisH | urmet: anyhow put it later and retry |
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| 11:47.08 | urmet | well.. that's strange |
| 11:47.11 | urmet | it worked |
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| 11:50.58 | ChrisH | urmet: I am not surprised. |
| 11:51.31 | urmet | but how?? |
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| 11:51.43 | boudiccas | LordShiva: just reading back in the scrollback and i see you're on wheezy with graphics drivers problems, have you checked the BTS because there is a known bug about fglrx, check it out. you might also care to join #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where youi can get more wheezy support |
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| 11:53.41 | ChrisH | urmet: my rc.local has "This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel." in... so when will it be executed? To me its unclear, end of Runlevel 1 or 2? Therefore I prefer a defined point using rc.X/SYZfile |
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| 11:54.05 | urmet | 1 is single-user |
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| 11:54.38 | urmet | ChrisH, ls /etc/rc1.d |
| 11:54.56 | urmet | multiuser runlevels are 2-5 |
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| 12:00.24 | Iridos | Exc... |
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| 12:05.47 | jch2os | Anyone using debian with pacemaker and iscsi? for some reason only one lun(the first one) is showing up... |
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| 12:11.54 | zmitya | how can I filter out the files in a directory which are modified within the last 5 seconds ? |
| 12:11.56 | zmitya | find . -mtime -5s -> find: missing argument to `-mtime' |
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| 12:12.59 | joshb | zmitya: loose the '-' for '-5s' ? -mtime 5s ? |
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| 12:13.30 | zmitya | joshb: same :( |
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| 12:13.49 | ChrisH | zmitya: touch NOW-5sec markerfile ; find . -newer markerfile === or if there re only a few: ls -rtl | tail |
| 12:14.12 | zmitya | ChrisH: wow, thx |
| 12:14.38 | joshb | zmitya: my `find` program says -mtime N where N is hours, nothing on an 's' under -mtime in find(1) |
| 12:15.13 | zmitya | joshb: yes, I just found it on the net, but those does not worked, that is why I'm here |
| 12:15.41 | Nik05 | guys how can i run something when system boots? |
| 12:15.43 | zmitya | I like this markerfile thing, should work, thanks anyway |
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| 12:16.16 | tralala | dpkg, version |
| 12:16.17 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 12:16.57 | joshb | zmitya: my `find` program here seems to work properly, taking N as an hour and saying 'missing argument' for 'Ns' |
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| 12:17.37 | zmitya | joshb: I think mine does tha same, that is why it did not work |
| 12:17.49 | zmitya | I mean the examples I found |
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| 12:19.46 | Iridos | zmitya, look stuff like that up in "man find", not somewhere on the net where it might be for a different version of find or a different architecture or really a completely different program find (e.g. from Sun-solaris or IRIX) |
| 12:20.03 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 12:21.15 | zmitya | Iridos: you are right |
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| 12:25.12 | bullgard4 | [Debian wheezy Xfce] I have installed the DEB program package »phpmyadmin«. It is not yet configured. How can I invoke the program phpmyadmin? '~$sudo grep DocumentRoot /usr/local/apache2conf/httpd.conf; grep: /usr/local/apache2/conf/httpd.conf: File or directory not found.' |
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| 12:27.35 | louisdk | When using AptPreferences can I then use more releases w/ the sane priority entry like "Pin: release a=stable,squeeze"? |
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| 12:29.59 | Nik05 | guys is there something like crontab so users can start something at startup? |
| 12:30.28 | jelly | louisdk: as a general rule, don't expect _anything_ sane from preferences functionality. If it's not explicitely mentioned in the manual, assume it does not work, or does not do what you want |
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| 12:33.52 | LordShiva | boudiccas, no I dont have problem with fgrlx driver :) I have it installed just the way to have fgrlx from wheezy is to keep xorg-xserver-core in version from squeeze |
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| 12:34.29 | LordShiva | boudiccas, I have problem with alsa and pulseaudio not with fglrx. fglrx is fixed long time ago :) |
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| 12:39.17 | louisdk | jelly, okay |
| 12:39.26 | louisdk | jelly, thx |
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| 12:40.19 | jelly | louisdk: notably -- do not use preferences to mix in newer packages into an installation of stable release |
| 12:40.40 | jelly | use backports instead |
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| 12:42.34 | LordShiva | jelly, Do you know how to configure pulseaudio with alsa ? I have some problems with it |
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| 12:47.08 | louisdk | jelly: It was what has planned. Even the Debian wiki has examples of that. Maybe I should just upgrade to testing. |
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| 12:49.28 | louisdk | jelly; It's just a "homeserver" running stable used for backup and later Mythtv backend too. |
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| 12:54.50 | jelly | louisdk: those wiki pages probably ought to be expunged or 36px red blinking text added saying "BAD IDEA DO NOT DO THIS" |
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| 12:56.06 | jelly | updated binary dependencies that get pulled in typically trigger all sorts of edge cases and make such a system an unsupportable mess |
| 12:56.55 | jelly | louisdk: from a PoV of being able to manage the OS, it's better to upgrade the whole system to wheezy |
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| 12:57.49 | jelly | LordShiva: know yes, have time to deal with it no, sorry |
| 12:58.17 | LordShiva | ok jelly |
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| 12:58.55 | louisdk | jelly, well good advice. |
| 12:59.04 | LordShiva | jelly do you have any link for solving pulseaudio with alsa problems |
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| 13:00.06 | jelly | LordShiva: people in the #pulseaudio channel will have |
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| 13:03.00 | maher | i want to replace the hard drive in one of my computers - is there a tool which will copy the info off the current disk and copy it across to a new one, in such a way that the new disk will boot up when i swap them? |
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| 13:05.33 | ChrisH | maher: dd ? |
| 13:06.14 | maher | ChrisH: whay about uuid in fstab |
| 13:06.48 | guampa | maher: iirc clonezilla does it |
| 13:06.56 | dkr | maher: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
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| 13:07.42 | ChrisH | maher: with dd the UUID gets copied. I prefer meanwhile to setuip any box with md-tools raid1 but no active mirror, which allows me to getin a new disk as mirror and have the OS sync it. |
| 13:08.13 | maher | ChrisH: the new hd will have a different uuid so won't boot |
| 13:08.31 | dkr | maher: a uuid identifies the filesystem, not the drive |
| 13:09.24 | ChrisH | dkr: thanks for confirming my understanding. UUID != WWN |
| 13:10.32 | maher | ok - so if i use dd the uuid of the new partition will be the same as the old one... |
| 13:10.55 | maher | ChrisH: i only have space for one hd in the box... |
| 13:11.30 | ChrisH | maher: the UUID of the Filesystems are the same. If you only have space for one disk, you need another system to do all the work. |
| 13:11.45 | maher | ChrisH: i will plug it in via usb to do the copy |
| 13:12.42 | ChrisH | maher: OK. If you want to. USB-Disk and Linux was allways slow as hell in any of my tests |
| 13:12.50 | maher | ChrisH: i have time |
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| 13:14.22 | ksuhku | maher, how much data is it? |
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| 13:15.02 | maher | ksuhku: about 200G |
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| 13:17.41 | bullgard4 | /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian.gz: "Since 3.0.0 phpMyAdmin can be configured using dbconfig-common." '~$ locate dbconfig-common' does not produce any output. How to configure phpMyAdmin? |
| 13:18.03 | themill | bullgard4: dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin |
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| 13:19.12 | themill | (which is what the file you cite tells you to do, funnily enough) |
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| 13:30.07 | jrm-rnl | do the files in /usr/share/base-passwd list every single UID and GID globally allocated by the Debian project in the intervals reserved for globally allocated UIDs and GIDs as specified in Policy? |
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| 13:30.52 | jrm-rnl | I'm making a local package that needs to make some users and groups with fixed IDs |
| 13:31.09 | jrm-rnl | don't want to risk colliding with some Debian package |
| 13:31.27 | bullgard4 | themill: '~$LANG=C sudo /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigurephpmyadmin; phpmyadmin is broken or not fully installed.' How should I continue? |
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| 13:34.51 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: how did it get that way, and what version of Debian are you using? |
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| 13:40.29 | jrm-rnl | nevermind, I didn't see the backlog |
| 13:42.04 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: I'd start with "apt-get install phpmyadmin" and see if apt-get can sort it out. |
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| 13:43.01 | FGH` | how can i see the size of a directory ? |
| 13:43.10 | jrm-rnl | du -chs . |
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| 13:43.37 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: [Debian wheezy Xfce]. I downloaded the phpmyadmin package which drew apache too. I tried to enter my password. I was confused if I had to enter my sudo password or my root password. I struggeled a while, gave up and returned later. |
| 13:43.47 | jrm-rnl | FGH`: or rather, du -chs <name-of-directory> |
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| 13:46.07 | somiaj | bullgard4: for phpmyadmin you have to enterin the username/password of the mysql users |
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| 13:46.30 | babilen | bullgard4: What exactly does "gave up and returned later" mean? Did you stop the installation? I reckon that you had to configure MySQL connection and that you've been asked about those passwords. |
| 13:46.36 | somiaj | bullgard4: which is usually in its own database seperate from system users. I think when you install mysql it asks you for an root password. |
| 13:46.42 | babilen | it does |
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| 13:48.35 | bullgard4 | babilen: When I tried to install phpmyAdmin, a dialog window appeared asking stepwise to fill in data. I reached a point when it asked for my password. |
| 13:50.11 | bullgard4 | I put in several times my two passwords. I pressed several times the "Back" button and tried again. The dialog assistant program did not accept my password entries. Finally I left it there. |
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| 13:51.05 | bullgard4 | This assistant program has disappered after a while. |
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| 13:52.53 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: did you try to apt-get install the package again? |
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| 13:53.11 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: No. Not yet. |
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| 13:53.44 | jrm-rnl | it should bring up the configuration assistant again |
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| 13:54.14 | jrm-rnl | or if it doesn't you can run dpkg-reconfigure after it's properly installed |
| 13:54.14 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: I'll try to re-install phpmyadmin now. |
| 13:56.22 | jrm-rnl | if it asks for a username and password, it can only be for the mysql database |
| 13:57.21 | jrm-rnl | the installer runs as root, there's no reason for it to ask system users' passwords |
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| 13:57.57 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: This time apt-get install brings up a ncurses window "Package configuration": "Configure phpmyadmin". |
| 13:58.25 | jrm-rnl | the last time was not ncurses? |
| 13:59.01 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: This is correct: Last time it was a graphical assistant dialog window. |
| 13:59.26 | jrm-rnl | I always install from a CLI, so I pretty much never see any other debconf frontend |
| 13:59.37 | jrm-rnl | I assume you originally installed through a GUI |
| 14:00.12 | jrm-rnl | it's just a different frontend to the same configurations |
| 14:00.37 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: I will now acknowledge its question: "Configure database for phpmyadmin using dbconfig-common?" |
| 14:02.15 | jrm-rnl | that sounds like automatic co-configuration of mysql and phpmyadmin so they'll work together |
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| 14:03.01 | jrm-rnl | I assume you declined that last time, so it fell back to manual configuration |
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| 14:04.19 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: It prompts me now: "Password of the administrative database user:" I can think of 3 different passwords that I can choose: My root password, my sudo password, or the MySQL Server password? Which one should I select and enter? |
| 14:05.06 | jrm-rnl | MySQL Server password. A program running as root generally has no need for the other two, so it makes no sense to ask for them. |
| 14:06.14 | jrm-rnl | besides, it says right there "administrative database user" |
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| 14:10.20 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: I entered the password for MySQL Server and obtain: "An error has occurred when installing the database: ERROR 2002 (HY000); Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysqld.sock' (2)." |
| 14:10.44 | jrm-rnl | is the mysql server running? |
| 14:10.54 | jrm-rnl | service mysql status |
| 14:11.08 | jrm-rnl | I'm guessing the mysql part, don't know the name of the service |
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| 14:13.18 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: if it's not, look in /etc/init.d for a filename that looks like it's related to mysql |
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| 14:14.02 | bullgard4 | '~$ service mysql status; bash: service: command not found.' |
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| 14:14.45 | jrm-rnl | yeah, it's not the right name |
| 14:15.12 | jrm-rnl | doesn't the mysql server package have an init script? |
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| 14:17.17 | jrm-rnl | According to this, it has: http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/amd64/mysql-server-5.5/filelist |
| 14:17.34 | bullgard4 | In /etc/init.d I cannot find a name that resembles "myswl |
| 14:17.41 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: are you sure you have a mysql server installed? |
| 14:17.42 | bullgard4 | In /etc/init.d I cannot find a name that resembles "mysql". |
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| 14:18.25 | jrm-rnl | do you have mysql-server installed? |
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| 14:19.29 | mhz | heh |
| 14:19.50 | jrm-rnl | ikr |
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| 14:22.59 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: Something is blocked in my APT system. |
| 14:23.53 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: you probably still have the apt-get install phpmyadmin running |
| 14:23.55 | bullgard4 | 'sudo apt-get clean' responds: "The Download directory could not be locked." |
| 14:24.22 | jrm-rnl | finish configuration with an empty passord or give up configuration cleanly |
| 14:24.36 | jrm-rnl | don't Ctrl-c it |
| 14:24.57 | jrm-rnl | you can dpkg-reconfigure later |
| 14:25.04 | jrm-rnl | after you install mysql |
| 14:26.15 | bullgard4 | I cannot finish configuring. I cannot see any terminal open which could cause this blocking. What process name in 'ps aux' shluld I grep for? |
| 14:26.49 | bullgard4 | s/shluld/should/ |
| 14:26.53 | jrm-rnl | apt-get? |
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| 14:27.15 | jrm-rnl | I'd use htop with tree listing |
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| 14:27.42 | jrm-rnl | and kill apt-get's last grandchild |
| 14:28.04 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: Yes. The process apt-get install phpmyadmin is still running. |
| 14:28.05 | thims | Has anyone heard of any issues with nautilus 2.30.1 running very slow on debian squeeze 6.0.5 stable? |
| 14:28.08 | superstraw | wow thats hardcore yo |
| 14:28.55 | jrm-rnl | if anyone knows a cleaner way to finish the stray apt-get, I'd like to know |
| 14:29.35 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: if you kill, make sure you use SIGTERM and >NOT< SIGKILL |
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| 14:29.51 | jrm-rnl | i.e. kill, NOT kill -9 |
| 14:29.52 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: I have killed the least daughter process. This removed the parent apt-get intall phpmyadmin as well. |
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| 14:30.06 | bullgard4 | +s |
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| 14:30.26 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: run it again and skip configuration |
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| 14:30.48 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: What should I run again? |
| 14:30.59 | jrm-rnl | apt-get install phpmyadmin |
| 14:31.24 | jrm-rnl | so that you don't have half-installed packages |
| 14:32.00 | thims | wouldnt "apt-get --purge remove phpmyadmin && apt-get install phpmyadmin" be cleaner? |
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| 14:32.41 | thims | the purge is variable. |
| 14:32.46 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: The computer responds: "Error: The dpkg process has been interrupted: You need to execute »sudo dpkg --configure -a« in order to solve the problem." |
| 14:32.55 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: do it |
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| 14:33.26 | jrm-rnl | thims: it shouldn't make a difference since the package has never been successfully configured before |
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| 14:34.24 | thims | yeah. |
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| 14:35.20 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: A ncurses windows asks me now: "Do you want to configure the database for phpmyadmin using dbconfig-common?" |
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| 14:35.34 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: say no |
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| 14:36.02 | GHAI | aye |
| 14:36.28 | jrm-rnl | yarr |
| 14:36.53 | zodmaner | Guys, I just used aptitude to remove gnome meta-package, and I later found that eventhough some packages are listed as already have been deleted (ebtables, for example), they are still in the system. |
| 14:37.24 | jrm-rnl | zodmaner: how do you know they're still in the system? |
| 14:37.24 | zodmaner | I had to explicitly issue aptitude purge to get rid of these packages, most of which contained a daemon of some kind. |
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| 14:37.47 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: I pressed "No." It responded: "Replacing config file /etc/phpmyadmin/config-db.php with a nwe version." |
| 14:37.49 | jrm-rnl | that sounds like configuration files left behind, which is normal |
| 14:38.08 | bullgard4 | s/nwe/new/ |
| 14:38.09 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: anything else? did if finish? |
| 14:38.24 | bullgard4 | I did finish. |
| 14:38.41 | jrm-rnl | now you can install mysql-server |
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| 14:38.57 | zodmaner | jrm-rnl: Ah, really? So it's normal for a package to leave behind a file in /etc/init.d even though I use purge? |
| 14:39.31 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: I don't know why you were installing phpmyadmin without a working mysql installation to begin with |
| 14:39.45 | bullgard4 | It added: "Reloading web server config: apache2apche2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName. Ok" |
| 14:39.59 | babilen | zodmaner: That is normal behaviour. remove doesn't remove configuration files whereas purge does. To list all packages that have been removed-but-not-purged run "aptitude search ~c" |
| 14:40.04 | nkuttler | hrm, is there a tool that determines the size of something i pipe to it? |
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| 14:40.09 | jrm-rnl | zodmaner: ok, an init script doesn't sound normal |
| 14:40.30 | babilen | zodmaner: No, it is not normal to leave those behind if you purged the package. |
| 14:40.36 | zodmaner | babilen: Thanks, babilen, I'll try out that command. |
| 14:40.57 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: My situation is special: On the same computer there is my MySQL database on another partition which is not Debian. |
| 14:40.57 | jrm-rnl | babilen: even if it was modified by the user? |
| 14:41.11 | babilen | yes |
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| 14:41.47 | zodmaner | jrm-rnl, babilen: One thing that I forgot to mentioned is I use purge command on the meta-package, then run aptitude again and let it remove the meta-package dependencies. |
| 14:41.52 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: there is a different OS on that partition? |
| 14:42.06 | zodmaner | So maybe aptitude use remove and left behind those init scripts? |
| 14:42.08 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: Yes. |
| 14:42.28 | zodmaner | Another thing is that while these packages were listed as "p", I could still use purge to remove them (the second time). |
| 14:42.30 | babilen | zodmaner: A typicaly mistake is that people purge the wrong package, i.e. one that doesn't really contain the configuration files. Could you paste the output of the aptitude search and details about the configuration files to http://paste.debian.net please? |
| 14:42.36 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: But Ubuntu and Debian are relatives. |
| 14:42.43 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: what is it? does it run at the same time as debian? |
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| 14:42.50 | jrm-rnl | oh |
| 14:42.59 | bullgard4 | No, not at the same time. |
| 14:43.10 | fleetfox | guys how should i debug gnome-shell freezes? what are the logs to look at? |
| 14:43.20 | bullgard4 | I can only start one OS at one time. |
| 14:43.24 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: you can't possibly administer a database that's not running... |
| 14:43.38 | jrm-rnl | certainly not with phpmyadmin |
| 14:43.40 | babilen | zodmaner: Just because you purge a metapackage doesn't mean that all of its dependencies are purged as well. I typically use "apt-get purge package ; apt-get --purge autoremove" fwiw |
| 14:44.11 | bullgard4 | I thought I could mount that partition and thus have access to it. |
| 14:44.55 | zodmaner | babilen: Wow, "aptitude search ~c" listed tons of packages. |
| 14:44.58 | kesroesweyth | I have a list of absolute file paths that I need to cat and pipe into another command with xargs, however many of the paths include spaces. My plan was to pipe through sed first and substitute spaces for escaped spaces. Can anyone help me with this? |
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| 14:45.11 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: you can access the files of the database, yes, but you can't do anything to them without going through the database program, which is not running |
| 14:45.13 | zodmaner | babilen: Wait a sec, I'll posted these onto pastebin for you. |
| 14:45.21 | kesroesweyth | I was trying something like sed 's/ /\\ /g' but that didn't work. |
| 14:45.25 | babilen | zodmaner: You can purge them all (if you *really* want that) with "aptitude purge '~c'" ... |
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| 14:46.11 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: in short, phpmyadmin is an interface to the mysql server daemon |
| 14:46.16 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: So I thought to install mysql server here in Debian. |
| 14:46.25 | zodmaner | babilen: Hm... so this would explained why eventhough a package was listed as purge in the log file of aptitude, its files, as well as its init script, are still in the system, right? |
| 14:47.13 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: you can do that and configure it to use the same files as the one in Ubuntu, but I'm not familiar enough with MySQL server configuration to help you with that |
| 14:47.21 | babilen | zodmaner: No, but I guess that the files you see actually belong to a different package. Could you provide details? (e.g. Which package was purged, output of "aptitude seach '~c'" and which configuration files?) |
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| 14:48.28 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: I have to go afk; I'll be back in something like five minutes. |
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| 14:48.48 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: My first step would be to set up phpmyadmin and apachy and mysql server here in Debian. How to fill in the data from a database is a second step. |
| 14:49.03 | bullgard4 | s/apachy/apache/ |
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| 14:53.41 | zodmaner | babilen: Here's the output of aptitude search ~c: http://pastebin.ca/2228850 |
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| 14:54.10 | zodmaner | babilen: The package I issued a purge command was the "gnome" meta-package. |
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| 14:54.38 | babilen | zodmaner: May I recommend http://paste.debian.net in the future (faster, no ads, less "social" web2.0 nonsense ;) |
| 14:54.42 | zodmaner | babilen: The files that was left behind were the init files of qemu-kvm & libvirt-bin packages. |
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| 14:55.00 | zodmaner | babilen: Ah, didn't know about that. Thank you. :) |
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| 14:55.21 | zodmaner | I was kinda new to this whole Debian thing, if you haven't already figured that out. :P |
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| 14:56.30 | zodmaner | babilen: BTW, both qemu-kvm and libvirt-bin are now shown in the pastebin because I have already removed them. I just want to know why I had to do that. |
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| 14:56.42 | babilen | zodmaner: /etc/init.d/libvirt-{bin,guests} belong to the libvirt-bin package, but ... |
| 14:56.45 | babilen | Ah |
| 14:56.55 | babilen | zodmaner: So everything is fine now and no confusion? |
| 14:56.59 | babilen | !tell zodmaner -about apt-file |
| 14:57.28 | zodmaner | babilen: Didn't know about that, nice. |
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| 14:57.36 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: if you just want a mysql server and phpmyadmin administering it, then install mysql-server and phpmyadmin in that order |
| 14:57.56 | babilen | zodmaner: Also "dpkg -S /path/to/file" or "dlocate -S /path/to/file" (if installed) or "/msg dpkg judd file /path/to/file" (in IRC) to figure out which package a file is from) |
| 14:58.16 | zodmaner | babilen: Yeah, I have already purged offending packages, I just wish to know what I did wrong to leave them there in the first place. |
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| 14:58.53 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: if you want to administer THE database that you currently have on your Ubuntu partition, then you need to configure Debian's mysql server to use those database files |
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| 14:59.31 | babilen | zodmaner: aptitude doesn't purge when it automatically removes (sic!) packages that are not needed anymore (because they were automatically installed and nothing depends on them anymore) |
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| 14:59.50 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: or you could try to run Ubuntu's mysql server using chroot, but that's probably too complicated |
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| 14:59.59 | zodmaner | babilen: Ah, so packages that are not needed are "remove" and not "purge", correct? |
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| 15:01.46 | jrm-rnl | bullgard4: also, I'm assuming the versions of mysql-server in the Debian and Ubuntu partition share the same binary file format, which may not be the case |
| 15:02.01 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: So I will try to install mysql-server now. |
| 15:02.08 | babilen | zodmaner: Yes, but you can give the "--purge-unused" option. I typically use apt-get for day-to-day package management and just use "apt-get --purge autoremove" when I want to get rid of unused packages. You might also want to read "man aptitude" and "man apt-get" to learn more about those commands and options. I can also recommend http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/apt.html (and the rest of the book) |
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| 15:02.33 | jrm-rnl | it should be ok if they're the same version and the same architecture |
| 15:02.48 | zodmaner | babilen: Nice. Thank you very much, babilen. You really help me a lot here. |
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| 15:03.00 | jrm-rnl | may be problematic if one's i386 and the other's amd64 |
| 15:03.27 | zodmaner | babilen: Another thing that I find confusion is the whole apt-get vs. aptitude thing, some people say one should uses aptitude, other stay to stick with apt-get. |
| 15:03.48 | zodmaner | babilen: Do you have any personal recommendation which tool should i prefers? |
| 15:04.09 | jrm-rnl | aptitude all the way (except when it has to be apt-get) |
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| 15:04.36 | babilen | zodmaner: You can use both these days which wasn't always the case and mixing them caused unwanted package removals in the past, because they managed "automatically" and "manually" installed packages differently. |
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| 15:05.07 | zodmaner | jrm-rnl: It's the "except when it has to be apt-get" that gets me. :P |
| 15:05.36 | jrm-rnl | zodmaner: e.g. apt-get source has no aptitude equivalent IIRC |
| 15:05.41 | babilen | zodmaner: These times are gone though and you can just mix them as much as you want. It essentially boils down to what you need. I use apt-get (and the other apt-*) tools for day-to-day package management as apt-* is typically faster than aptitude. (in particular "apt-cache search", ..) |
| 15:05.41 | zodmaner | babilen: Yeah, they both seem to have use a different algorithm to resolve dependencies, aren't they? |
| 15:05.42 | jrm-rnl | or was it apt-get download? |
| 15:06.35 | zodmaner | Ah, I see. Glad to know that. Can't even begin to imagine what it was like back then. |
| 15:06.53 | babilen | zodmaner: I do use aptitude quite a lot as well for reasons that include: 1. Search terms -- I want to come up with elaborate package searches such as "all automatically installed packages whose names begin with gnome" |
| 15:07.18 | jrm-rnl | babilen: but does apt-cache search have this?: http://www.algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 15:07.39 | babilen | jrm-rnl: No, which is exactly the reason I just gave :) |
| 15:07.58 | jrm-rnl | I hadn't seen it when I pressed return :) |
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| 15:08.38 | babilen | zodmaner: 2. I need its resolver -- Aptitude's dependency resolution system is different from apt-get's and might get things correct where apt-get doesn't. In particular the interactive resolver is great ("Do you accept this solution? [Y/n] → "n") |
| 15:08.56 | jrm-rnl | babilen: I love that feature |
| 15:09.03 | babilen | yeah, but you don't need it all the time |
| 15:09.08 | jrm-rnl | and how you can reject or accept parts of the solution |
| 15:09.13 | zodmaner | babilen: Yeah, aptitude's search feature & resolver are amazing. |
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| 15:09.25 | no_gravity | Hello! I just noticed a new insanity while trying Mint: When you choose germany as your location during install, it creates german directory names. So "Desktop" isnt called "Desktop" but "Arbeitsfläche". Does this come from the latest Debian release or is it an invention of Ubuntu or Mint? |
| 15:09.26 | babilen | jrm-rnl: Yeah, that is really nice |
| 15:09.31 | zodmaner | Thanks guys, I think I'm starting to see the big picture now. |
| 15:09.41 | babilen | zodmaner: Those are the two major reasons that pop into my mind right now ... |
| 15:09.42 | jrm-rnl | babilen: I also like doing things like aptitude markauto ~nmono |
| 15:09.50 | zodmaner | I was confused by all the guides/tips that still recommend using apt-get over aptitude. |
| 15:09.58 | babilen | zodmaner: As always on Linux there are multiple tools and there really isn't the "one truth" |
| 15:09.59 | damacus | i didn't realize aptitude could replace some of dpkg's query features |
| 15:10.11 | zodmaner | babilen: Will keep that in mind. |
| 15:10.35 | damacus | eg, can aptitude replace dpkg --get-selections and aptitude -L <package>? |
| 15:10.37 | damacus | errr |
| 15:10.39 | damacus | dpkg -: |
| 15:10.39 | dpkg | damacus: are you using Windows? |
| 15:10.42 | damacus | dpkg -L |
| 15:10.43 | dpkg | Files in package damacus-pr0n: /srv/damacus-pr0n/damacus.jpg |
| 15:10.49 | babilen | zodmaner: And don't even get me started on cupt, wajig, synaptics (ugh), ... or the different resolvers for apt-get. ;) |
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| 15:10.56 | damacus | lol wut |
| 15:11.01 | damacus | dpkg: botsnack |
| 15:11.01 | dpkg | damacus: :) |
| 15:11.05 | zodmaner | Well, thank you, jrm-rnl, babilen. You guys really help this poor newbie alot. :D |
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| 15:11.11 | zodmaner | I really appreciated you guys helps. |
| 15:11.19 | zodmaner | Oh man, you can changed the resolver? |
| 15:11.23 | zodmaner | That's madness! :D |
| 15:11.36 | babilen | damacus: I prefer dlocate for those (also apt-file for uninstalled packages) |
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| 15:13.10 | damacus | g2know |
| 15:13.33 | no_gravity | Ok, I got confirmations that Ubuntu also translates directory names like "Desktop" to local language. Can anybody here with debian testing tell me if it does that too? I use Debian 6 and - thank god - its not doing that. |
| 15:13.47 | babilen | zodmaner: http://mancoosi.org/~abate/aptget-external-solvers-call-testers |
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| 15:14.24 | babilen | ,i apt-cudf --release sid |
| 15:14.25 | zodmaner | babilen: Oooh, very interesting. |
| 15:14.25 | judd | Package apt-cudf (admin, extra) in sid/i386: CUDF solver integration for APT. Version: 3.0.2-1; Size: 350.8k; Installed: 938k; Homepage: http://www.mancoosi.org/software/ |
| 15:14.47 | babilen | zodmaner: But nothing really to worry about. :) |
| 15:14.52 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: that's probably defined in some freedesktop.org standard |
| 15:15.09 | zodmaner | Okay :D |
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| 15:15.45 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: any idea how it is set up in the next debian release? |
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| 15:17.32 | babilen | no_gravity: As in: You change your locale and all those directories are renamed? |
| 15:18.17 | babilen | reminds me of windows (where you AFAIK can't change the locale) |
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| 15:18.30 | no_gravity | babilen: ive choosen "german" while installing mint and my desktop folder is called "Arbeitsfläche" on this machine now. |
| 15:18.56 | babilen | no_gravity: What happens if you switch to "Englisch {Vereinigtes Königreich)" ? |
| 15:19.01 | jrm-rnl | babilen: I think the directories are created the first time a user logs into a graphical session and are named according to the locale |
| 15:19.36 | no_gravity | babilen: i would think the folder names stay the same, right? wouldnt it be insanity to change them all the time? all scripts would break... |
| 15:19.37 | jrm-rnl | babilen: they retain their names afterwards, even with a locale change, I think |
| 15:19.47 | babilen | jrm-rnl: I feared as much and think that it is absolutely brain-dead. /me would decouple the actual storage from the localisation, but meh ... |
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| 15:20.24 | no_gravity | So nobody here with a not-english debian testing install? |
| 15:20.37 | themill | Are you sure the actual directory names are changed and not just the label in .directory? |
| 15:20.56 | babilen | no_gravity: yeah, I am just not sure if you end up with "Arbeitsfläche", "Desktop", "書桌", ... if you keep on switching :) |
| 15:21.03 | jrm-rnl | babilen: that would make the most sense, but could generate some confusion when users look for their files in a CLI or in programs that don't support the DE's localization scheme |
| 15:21.25 | babilen | jrm-rnl: Users shouldn't be allowed to use the CLI if that confuses them ;) |
| 15:21.50 | jrm-rnl | aw, come on. the CLI is for everyone who's not afraid to type words |
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| 15:22.15 | babilen | I am actually pretty sad ... I had nice ~/downloads and ~/pictures directories and ... well ... I surrendered and use ~/Downloads now :( |
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| 15:22.44 | themill | babilen: you should be able to configure xdg to obey that preference |
| 15:22.52 | themill | ,i xdg-user-dirs |
| 15:22.53 | judd | Package xdg-user-dirs (utils, optional) in squeeze/i386: tool to manage well known user directories. Version: 0.13-2; Size: 49.6k; Installed: 932k; Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs |
| 15:23.06 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: how about trying "grep -R Arbeitsfläche ~" and see if the configuration is stored in some file? |
| 15:23.11 | themill | ^^ that will create localised dirnames and set XDG_* things to set it |
| 15:23.25 | themill | (in ~/.config) |
| 15:23.31 | babilen | themill: I thought I did, but some tools always do it wrong and create ~/Desktop or store files you download in ~/Downloads or ... |
| 15:23.34 | themill | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs |
| 15:23.45 | babilen | gives user-dir's a try |
| 15:23.51 | babilen | Thanks :) |
| 15:23.52 | themill | babilen: yeah, well, not everything actually uses xdg because that's "too heavy" or something |
| 15:23.57 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: why? |
| 15:24.06 | themill | NIH is much better. apparently |
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| 15:24.41 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: you can change the localized names to whatever you want if you find the right file to edit |
| 15:24.54 | jhutchins_wk | babilen: The variety of programs that can store files - web browsers, mail programs, other stuff pretty much precludes always using the same names. |
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| 15:25.21 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: sure. i just would like to know who invented this insanity. |
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| 15:25.26 | no_gravity | So nobody here runs testing? Or nobody runs something else then english as the language? |
| 15:25.27 | themill | babilen: and yes it sounds like xdg-user-dirs-update would keep creating more and more localised versions of these things as you spin through the languages |
| 15:25.51 | themill | jhutchins_wk: not true. If they all used the xdg utils, they could all use the same names |
| 15:26.02 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: Step 1 was successful: I can access my Debian MySQL server via phpMyAdmin. |
| 15:26.29 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: I run testing at home |
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| 15:26.35 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: in which language? |
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| 15:26.55 | babilen | themill: I've just read the same paragraph and though: Oh, noes! |
| 15:27.01 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: I just checked, and some of my family members have localized directories |
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| 15:27.10 | themill | babilen: it's sort of a good idea. |
| 15:27.20 | jrm-rnl | since they only speak Portuguese |
| 15:27.34 | Iridos | no_gravity, changelogs? |
| 15:27.47 | jrm-rnl | I always use the en_US locale, so my homedir has the english names |
| 15:28.03 | themill | babilen: it's probably better doing that than getting the UI to pretend that the dir has a different name to what it actually has (like certainly other legacy operating systems do) |
| 15:28.30 | babilen | yes, exactly |
| 15:28.47 | Iridos | actually I've seen something similar on some windows system... but it was even weirder than this... IIRC, the filemanager showed localized paths, cmd.exe showed English paths... (or something along the lines) |
| 15:28.50 | jrm-rnl | themill: I got quite frustrated using a colleague's OS X laptop because of that |
| 15:28.56 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: aaarrggghhhh. so this insanity comes from debian. im crying now. |
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| 15:29.10 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: no, it comes from freedesktop.org |
| 15:29.12 | Iridos | themill, ha :) yes... pretty much everything else is probably better |
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| 15:29.27 | themill | jrm-rnl: yes. I've had that experience too. |
| 15:29.32 | jrm-rnl | blame upstream... blame upstream... |
| 15:29.46 | babilen | themill: But then we are very soon in areas where people argue that this shouldn't be actual directories/files at all but be stored in some ... well ... database or, even better, cloud-enabled-tag-thingie! |
| 15:30.09 | themill | babilen: then grep -R can work properly \o/ |
| 15:30.14 | babilen | hahaha |
| 15:30.15 | jrm-rnl | babilen: somewhere above the tag clouds |
| 15:30.30 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: so you cannot tell anybody "go to /home/user/desktop" anymore. you cannot write simple scripts that reference these folders anymore. you cannot have different machines with different locales without going insane anymore. |
| 15:30.34 | babilen | Anyway -- I give user-xdg-dir's a chance and if I don't see a ~/Desktop or a ~/Downloads in one month I am happy |
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| 15:31.06 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: pretty sure there's some environment variable or program you can call to find out |
| 15:31.34 | themill | no_gravity: you use $XDG_DESKTOP_DIR |
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| 15:32.16 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: xdg-user-dir DESKTOP |
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| 15:32.40 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: awesome. one more thing that makes life more complicated. |
| 15:32.47 | surf | guys all the time I start my system I get 100% of cpu by /usr/bin/tracker. Is this process necessary? I have to kill it to start working.. |
| 15:32.57 | Zilus | hey! |
| 15:33.07 | themill | no_gravity: well... why does any non-english user want to see "Desktop"? |
| 15:33.43 | Zilus | I can't make a redirection work with shorewall (to squid port), anyone with this issue? |
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| 15:33.46 | Iridos | themill, YES |
| 15:35.00 | jrm-rnl | ./.config/user-dirs.dirs |
| 15:35.05 | no_gravity | themill: so we should rename all unix commands as well? so i dont write "cd desktop" anymore but "wv arbeitsfläche" where wv stands for "wechsle zu"? And somebody from sweden will write "sb krödeldö" where sb stands for smörebröd? |
| 15:35.06 | jrm-rnl | it's all there |
| 15:35.27 | Zilus | @no_gravity hehe |
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| 15:35.43 | no_gravity | themill: and irc will now be ckk in german for "computer kommunikations kanal"? |
| 15:36.37 | no_gravity | themill: and please dont call me "no_gravity". thats my international handle. since you know im from germany, please call me "keine schwerkraft". if you talk about me to somebody from china, please call me "chiango earliihu". |
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| 15:37.45 | babilen | Will the world explode if I set XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/" ? |
| 15:38.05 | no_gravity | Also we should localize programming languages of course.. |
| 15:38.06 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: command names are standardized and are somewhat of a programming interface; your scripts/programs should not be making assumptions about arbitrary directory names |
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| 15:38.46 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: the less assumptions you make the more time it takes to write software. you can go on and generalize forever if you like. |
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| 15:39.10 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: and its not only about scripts. its also about communication and learning. |
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| 15:40.00 | no_gravity | well... whatever. i will just choose english as the language for future installs. and hope for the best. |
| 15:40.08 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: and you think everyone in the world having to use english names somehow facillitates learning about their computer? |
| 15:40.20 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: yes |
| 15:40.58 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: irc is the perfect example. people can talk about their computers no matter where they are from. |
| 15:40.59 | jrm-rnl | so too bad, everyone's granny, you'll have to learn english to tell apart your pictures folder from your music folder |
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| 15:41.42 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: sounds like a good thing to me. to learn a word of english or two. |
| 15:42.33 | jrm-rnl | no, that sounds like poor usability and not giving a rat's ass about proper localization |
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| 15:43.06 | jrm-rnl | the current solution is fine, if you think about it |
| 15:43.28 | jrm-rnl | only desktop applications should be using those kind of directories |
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| 15:43.38 | jrm-rnl | and they should follow freedesktop.org standards |
| 15:43.41 | ksuhku | surf, that tracker thingy is keeping a list of your files for searching, you can lose it |
| 15:43.47 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: becaue the desktop is for morons? |
| 15:44.05 | surf | ksuhku, well I run "find" for that |
| 15:44.10 | jrm-rnl | s/standards/conventions/ |
| 15:44.25 | ksuhku | surf, sure if you have the time |
| 15:44.37 | jrm-rnl | no_gravity: no, because there are other valid languages other than english |
| 15:44.45 | surf | then ok, just disable it from "gnome-session-properties" works fine? |
| 15:44.56 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: and why should cli applications not use localized directories? |
| 15:45.03 | ksuhku | surf, can't remember, probably |
| 15:45.10 | surf | ksuhku, k thx |
| 15:45.47 | ksuhku | surf, you might want to experiment with mlocate too |
| 15:46.39 | jrm-rnl | because desktop directories is a concept that comes from a the desktop user interface metaphore, and shouldn't leak into the CLI |
| 15:47.54 | no_gravity | jrm-rnl: i dont see your point. anyhow. gotta go now. have a nice day. |
| 15:47.56 | jrm-rnl | I have to go. This was pretty offtopic for #debian anyway |
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| 15:48.55 | jrm-rnl | and yes, some desktop environments should be also for morons. There's nothing wrong with that. |
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| 15:49.00 | Iridos | but more interesting than "I installed wheezy, mint and ubuntu packages into my squeeze system, now I have dependency problems, halp, halp" |
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| 15:52.49 | nerd | now what is freebsd debian all about ? |
| 15:53.02 | Guest80999 | Question: any ideas on this problem? http://pastebin.com/GGax3KTx |
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| 15:55.31 | ksuhku | nerd, seen this? http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD_FAQ |
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| 15:57.49 | Guest80999 | _moon quoted from Bladerunner. Good movie. |
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| 15:58.54 | Guest80999 | Any solutions or ideas? http://pastebin.com/GGax3KTx |
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| 16:01.12 | ksuhku | nerd, the real answer of course is the same as to why a dog licks its balls? ...because it can. |
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| 16:01.55 | LordShiva | Anyone know how to force flash to work with alsa ? After I uninstalled pulseaudio flash can be ploayed but doesnt have any sound |
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| 16:02.36 | L-1011 | hello |
| 16:02.40 | L-1011 | hello? |
| 16:02.47 | L-1011 | can you people see me okay? |
| 16:02.50 | Guest80999 | hi |
| 16:02.54 | L-1011 | am i actually here? |
| 16:02.57 | L-1011 | or not? |
| 16:02.58 | themill | no |
| 16:02.59 | L-1011 | just |
| 16:03.02 | L-1011 | answer |
| 16:03.03 | L-1011 | pls |
| 16:03.04 | L-1011 | tnx |
| 16:03.06 | L-1011 | ? |
| 16:03.11 | themill | L-1011: lay off the enter key, thanks |
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| 16:03.25 | L-1011 | themill, so you can see me? |
| 16:03.29 | L-1011 | why |
| 16:03.31 | L-1011 | not just |
| 16:03.33 | L-1011 | say so? |
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| 16:04.10 | Zilus | lay off the enter key, thanks** hehe |
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| 16:18.26 | LordShiva | I had a system halt probably caused by pulseaudio i dont know for sure because after my system hang I restarted and get this |
| 16:18.45 | LordShiva | Corruption of syslog http://pastebin.com/V3ZcSay9 |
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| 16:19.19 | LordShiva | to clear it off ? |
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| 16:24.35 | FGH` | how can i get the gui of a proceses that is running in the background? |
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| 16:51.25 | vooze | Just after latest update (from update manager) my sound from headset / speakers (the non build in) does not work. Anyone else tryed this? |
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| 16:53.28 | vooze | oh sorry, wrong channel |
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| 17:05.20 | clynamen | are the list of dependency included in a .deb package? |
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| 17:09.48 | thims | clynamen: what about apt-get using -s and --print-uris? |
| 17:09.53 | ksuhku | FGH`, perhaps you mean the fg command? (foreground) |
| 17:10.30 | thims | a bit elaborate, but some grep'ing will get what you want. |
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| 17:13.01 | clynamen | thims I'm not currently using a debian distro |
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| 17:15.19 | ksuhku | clynamen, according to http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging the answer looks to be 'yes' |
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| 17:15.47 | ksuhku | (debian/control file to be specific) |
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| 17:16.51 | ksuhku | not wait, not sure... sorry |
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| 17:18.09 | peterrooney | clynamen: to be fair, we have no idea what changes a non-debian distro may have made |
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| 17:21.39 | clynamen | peterrooney: I checked a deb just now. The dependency are stored inside the deb (like said in ksuhku 's link) |
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| 17:21.50 | clynamen | it is what I need. |
| 17:22.21 | clynamen | another question: there is a way to know the exact address from which apt-get downloads a package? |
| 17:23.06 | boudiccas | clynamen: why all the questions, you admit you're not using debian, why should we support you? |
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| 17:25.39 | tremon | clynamen: apt-cache show $pkg|grep ^File |
| 17:25.56 | clynamen | boudiccas: sorry, but why? just because I don't use debian I can't ask question about debian? |
| 17:26.09 | clynamen | tremon: thanks |
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| 17:27.29 | clynamen | I have another question: how can I obtain |
| 17:27.43 | no_gravity | Hello! I have a debian server that seems to execute ~/.profile but not ~/.bashrc when I ssh into it. Any idea why? My problem is that while .profile is fine when I log in, it doesnt get executet when I start screen. |
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| 17:29.02 | tremon | http://www.debianadmin.com/difference-between-bash_profile-and-bashrc-files.html |
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| 17:30.08 | bullgard4 | clynamen: The addresses are well known. See for example http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=199&t=109373&p=620399 |
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| 17:31.05 | medusaXX | hi |
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| 17:34.46 | clynamen | bullgard4: thanks |
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| 17:52.05 | medusaXX | I created a bug report für php5-cgi and sent it via email, but there is still no record in the bugtracker after one day |
| 17:52.20 | medusaXX | what could have gone wrong? |
| 17:52.49 | boudiccas | medusaXX: check your sendmail queue, it may have got stuck there. mine did so i was able to resend my bug report |
| 17:53.14 | medusaXX | i checked the mail server log and can confirm that the debian mail server has accepted it |
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| 17:53.21 | medusaXX | postfix/smtp[836]: 881D142D23: to=<submit@bugs.debian.org>, relay=bugs-master.debian.org[140.211.166.26]:25, delay=481, delays=473/0.03/6.7/1.1, dsn=2.0.0, |
| 17:53.22 | medusaXX | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.24 | medusaXX | oh sorry |
| 17:53.30 | medusaXX | didnt want to paste two lines |
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| 17:54.19 | boudiccas | medussacheck your reportbug config file and comment out that three lines after your email address, then resend your bug report |
| 17:54.38 | tremon | medusaXX: processing can take a while, give it at least a few hours (not sure when you sent it) |
| 17:54.59 | medusaXX | tremon: sent it about 15 hours ago |
| 17:55.15 | tremon | hmm that should usually be enough :) |
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| 17:55.39 | boudiccas | medusaXX: you should have an auto reply after a couple of hours, change your reportbug config file |
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| 17:55.52 | medusaXX | boudiccas: i did not enter the email address in the reportbug config file |
| 17:56.16 | tremon | medusaXX: so, which from: address is reportbug using? |
| 17:56.29 | medusaXX | i piped the report to a tmp file and then used mail -t -r <mailadress> |
| 17:56.41 | unkmar | So, here I am connected to IRC via my phone attempting to diagnose my network problems on this desktop machine. |
| 17:56.48 | medusaXX | -r sets the from header |
| 17:56.50 | boudiccas | medusaXX: when you configure reportbug it will ask you for your email addrress for reportbug to reply bakc ot you. if you dont give an email address, how can it reply to you? |
| 17:57.26 | medusaXX | does it require more than a from header? |
| 17:57.30 | medusaXX | this is what mail -r does |
| 17:57.54 | boudiccas | medusaXX: yes, sounds like you need to reconfigure reportbug again |
| 17:58.08 | unkmar | ifconfig does not report an IPv4 address and The line after RX byes:0 reports, Interrupt:20 Memory:f6400000-f6420000 |
| 17:58.31 | boudiccas | medussaand then 'reportbug foo' will take you through submitting a bug report |
| 17:58.41 | tremon | it only accepts publically-routable from: addresses iirc, but reportbug normally also sends a CC: to your own address |
| 17:59.04 | medusaXX | boudiccas: what does it need apart from the from header? |
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| 17:59.36 | medusaXX | tremon: i received the mail to the adress in the cc header and my mailing damon reports the correct from address |
| 17:59.39 | boudiccas | medusaXX: sources.list config.file of the programme you're reporting on, reportbug will gather it all for you automatically |
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| 18:00.43 | medusaXX | boudiccas: i used reportbug normally but the last question is what you want to do with the bugreport - you can chose something like send it directly or put the reportbug mail into a tmp file so you can send it on your on with your own mail client - this is what I did |
| 18:00.44 | tremon | I'm no bts expert, but fafaik that should just be accepted, or at the very least you should have got a rejection notice with explanation by now |
| 18:01.15 | medusaXX | tremon: that's what I wonder - why is there neither a rejection notice nor a confirming message |
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| 18:01.29 | boudiccas | medusaXX: you should asnwer that you want your mail to be sent automatically, that way it will set up the right email addresses |
| 18:01.29 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: what was the message id of the message that you sent? |
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| 18:01.44 | sliddjur | does uniq have some kind of sort function? |
| 18:01.57 | dondelelcaro | sliddjur: no, but sort does. |
| 18:02.03 | medusaXX | dondelelcaro: where can I find that? |
| 18:02.16 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: it'll be listed as Message-Id: in the headers of your message |
| 18:02.21 | unkmar | sliddjur: there is a sort command you can use. |
| 18:02.29 | medusaXX | ok just a second |
| 18:02.39 | dondelelcaro | sliddjur: you have to sort before you use uniq anyway |
| 18:02.40 | sliddjur | Thats what I was thinking. thanks dondelelcaro and unkmar :) |
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| 18:03.18 | dondelelcaro | (well, you don't have to, but you probably won't get what you were expecting) |
| 18:03.45 | sliddjur | yeah i got it i think. i was just wondering if there was a built in function in uniq so i could skip one pipe =) |
| 18:03.52 | medusaXX | message-id=<5063bf99.OteZS2Hgm2hv1VSB%root@hilbert.alphasky.net> |
| 18:03.58 | sliddjur | since i guess they are used a lot together. |
| 18:04.27 | dondelelcaro | sliddjur: yeah, the reason why they aren't, is because separate tools which do one thing and do it well is the unix philosophy |
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| 18:04.50 | medusaXX | btw: the reason i did not use the automatic mail function is that i used root to create the bug report and i wanted to use a different from header - so i piped it into a tmp file and used mail -r |
| 18:05.06 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: that mail never made it to the BTS. |
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| 18:05.12 | medusaXX | strange |
| 18:05.19 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: so presumably something is wrong with the mail transport on your machine. I'd check your mail logs |
| 18:05.20 | boudiccas | medusaXX: maybe you should redo the reportbug as $user |
| 18:05.41 | tremon | medusaXX: there's also reportbug --email= |
| 18:05.47 | medusaXX | can you explain why that happend although the debian mailer accepted it? |
| 18:05.50 | medusaXX | postfix/smtp[836]: 881D142D23: to=<submit@bugs.debian.org>, relay=bugs-master.debian.org[140.211.166.26]:25, delay=481, delays=473/0.03/6.7/1.1, dsn=2.0.0, |
| 18:05.52 | sliddjur | dondelelcaro: ok. Im totally new to linux but im taking some classes and learning every day :) |
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| 18:06.30 | Nik05 | guys how can i program like screen run a program without the user begin logged in? |
| 18:06.39 | Nik05 | how can a* program |
| 18:06.46 | dondelelcaro | Nik05: use a cronjob or similar. |
| 18:06.52 | jelly-home | sticks " status=sent (250 OK id=1TH4Lj-0000pv-G2)" to the end of medusaXX's log line |
| 18:07.12 | Nik05 | but dondelelcaro how does that work? |
| 18:07.22 | Nik05 | cause crontab is run by root right? |
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| 18:07.29 | medusaXX | yes sorry, forgot that, thanks jelly-home |
| 18:07.29 | dondelelcaro | Nik05: @reboot screen blah blah blah; in the user's crontab. |
| 18:07.40 | boudiccas | Nik05: every $user has a crontab |
| 18:07.41 | tremon | Nik05: crontab can be run by any user |
| 18:07.41 | Nik05 | but the programs are runned as a user not root |
| 18:07.50 | Nik05 | yes but cron is run by root |
| 18:07.57 | Nik05 | how can root run programs like someone else? |
| 18:08.01 | tremon | user crontabs are not run by root |
| 18:08.09 | dondelelcaro | Nik05: so? cron setuids to the appropriate user, and then runs the user's crontab. |
| 18:08.10 | Nik05 | but cron is... |
| 18:08.14 | tremon | correction: user crontabs are run by root, but not as root |
| 18:08.20 | medusaXX | dondelelcaro: how did you check that the mail with this message-id did not make it to the bts? |
| 18:08.28 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: I looked at the BTS mail logs |
| 18:08.32 | medusaXX | ok |
| 18:08.38 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: what ack did the BTS give you? |
| 18:08.42 | Nik05 | tremon thats what i mean |
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| 18:08.49 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: specifically, the 250 OK blah blah response |
| 18:08.51 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: " status=sent (250 OK id=1TH4Lj-0000pv-G2)" |
| 18:09.06 | tremon | Nik05: what's what you mean? |
| 18:09.11 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: oh, I thought that was you just being amusing. ;-) |
| 18:09.24 | Nik05 | but that has nothing to do with my first question lol |
| 18:09.25 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: when was this sent? |
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| 18:09.34 | Nik05 | how can you run a program without begin logged in? |
| 18:09.45 | Nik05 | cause normally when you loggout the program is stopped |
| 18:09.51 | tremon | Nik05: what's "being logged in" ? |
| 18:10.00 | thims | Nik05: try nohup |
| 18:10.17 | dondelelcaro | Nik05: that's only because your terminal has hung up (HUP). You don't need to be logged in for a program to be running |
| 18:10.24 | thims | it will detach the running program from the current shell. |
| 18:10.24 | tremon | Nik05: do you want to start a program without being logged in, or do you want your program to keep running when you logout? |
| 18:10.34 | Nik05 | i want it running when i logout |
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| 18:10.55 | medusaXX | status=sent (250 OK id=1TH4Lj-0000pv-G2) |
| 18:11.05 | dondelelcaro | ah, here we go |
| 18:11.17 | medusaXX | it was sent 5:01:16 UTC+2 (MEST) |
| 18:11.27 | medusaXX | 2012-09-28 |
| 18:11.53 | tremon | Nik05: then use nohup, screen or tmux. that doesn't work for X programs though, they die when the X session ends |
| 18:11.56 | boudiccas | medusaXX: so it went at 0501 this morning |
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| 18:12.03 | Nik05 | oh ok |
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| 18:12.19 | medusaXX | the greylisted 451 thing was some minutes before, 04:53:24 UTC+2 |
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| 18:12.25 | medusaXX | yes boudiccas, german time |
| 18:12.39 | burdpc | cp -x apparently does not consider loopback mounts to be another filesystem.. is there a way around this or is this a bug of some sort? |
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| 18:12.55 | thims | tremon: why would the X session kill a nohup'd process? |
| 18:13.22 | thims | or screen for that matter. |
| 18:13.37 | boudiccas | medusaXX: please run reportbug again as $user and submit with sendmail correctly and ypus hsould get a reply from the BTS after a couple of hours |
| 18:13.49 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: so yeah, the problem is that you're sending it as root |
| 18:13.59 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: we don't accept mail from UIDs which match FROM_DAEMON |
| 18:14.14 | tremon | thims: wouldn't a gtk application's canvas disappear if the X session is gone? |
| 18:14.14 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: if you send it as a normal user, it'll just work |
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| 18:14.40 | medusaXX | so the email contains information about the user who created the mail although i overwrote the from header with mail -r ? |
| 18:14.41 | thims | A GTK application, sure. An application ran from nohup and detached, nah. |
| 18:14.49 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: uh, the server _did_ accept the mail |
| 18:15.07 | thims | A GUI would have to have a foundation (X) to run, but I thought the question of general. |
| 18:15.09 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: but the BTS did not. |
| 18:15.12 | jelly-home | discarding after 250 is just... uncouth |
| 18:15.14 | tremon | thims: just for completeness, you do mean a /console/ application from nohup and detached, right? |
| 18:15.25 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: we get tons of spam, and we discard tons of it |
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| 18:15.40 | jelly-home | and also valid reports, apparently |
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| 18:15.47 | medusaXX | dondelelcaro: how could the bts know that i created it as root? |
| 18:15.56 | thims | tremon: I do indeed. Answering in trueness to the nature of nohup with GUI applications being an added layer to nohup's useage. |
| 18:15.57 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: From: root <root@hilbert.alphasky.net> <-- that's why. |
| 18:16.01 | medusaXX | hmm |
| 18:16.04 | medusaXX | so mail -r did not work |
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| 18:16.19 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: it rewrote the envelope from, but not the From: line. |
| 18:16.29 | medusaXX | ok |
| 18:16.35 | medusaXX | thanks for that forensic analysis |
| 18:16.45 | dondelelcaro | medusaXX: np; thanks for asking about why the mail didn't go through. |
| 18:16.46 | medusaXX | and thank you for your advice boudiccas |
| 18:17.19 | boudiccas | medusaXX: you're welcome. using the reportbug programme is very simple and easy i've found |
| 18:17.28 | medusaXX | maybe a bounce/error code or something would be helpful in these cases, if it is not too much effort |
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| 18:17.55 | medusaXX | i use it all the time, just forgot to change users this time |
| 18:18.10 | tremon | medusaXX: you should never bounce a (suspected) spam message. it creates all kind of backscatter |
| 18:18.47 | jelly-home | best practice is rejecting the mail at ingress, not accepting and discarding |
| 18:18.49 | medusaXX | is there a statistical significant proof that mail from root is spam? |
| 18:19.11 | tremon | medusaXX: there is statistical proof that most mail from root is from badly configured machines :) |
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| 18:19.33 | medusaXX | or well configured machines but stupid admins like me ;) |
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| 18:19.44 | tremon | jelly-home: agreed, of course |
| 18:20.09 | jelly-home | esp if you have fixed rules like this one, shouldn't be to hard to 5xx after DATA |
| 18:20.20 | dondelelcaro | if we discarded it at RCPT TO time, then it'd be ok |
| 18:20.39 | dondelelcaro | however, because a huge swath of the rules we have only fire after we've got the mail, we have to discard |
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| 18:20.55 | jelly-home | but you said the filter dealt with headers, not envelope... |
| 18:20.57 | dondelelcaro | this is one that probably should be changed to be in the exim config, but I haven't had time to bother |
| 18:21.14 | dondelelcaro | it deals with both, actually |
| 18:21.41 | medusaXX | i can image that a number of bug reports goes to the nirvana because of this handling. especially beginners do not know that there will be a confirmation and if there is no error then they dont look for it |
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| 18:21.59 | medusaXX | and yes, reportbug does warn not to use root, but it does not say that the bugreport is lost then |
| 18:22.03 | jelly-home | frankly I'm a bit surprised you still use exim |
| 18:22.15 | jelly-home | !start a mta war |
| 18:22.16 | dpkg | Courier rulez. |
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| 18:23.15 | Alives | the font? |
| 18:23.18 | nyuszika7h | !start |
| 18:23.18 | dpkg | well, start is what you have to press to stop in Windows |
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| 18:23.27 | Alives | ha... its a bot! |
| 18:23.30 | yeats | heh |
| 18:23.43 | tremon | !bot |
| 18:23.44 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 18:23.56 | medusaXX | btw i love debian, you do great work |
| 18:23.58 | medusaXX | thank you for that |
| 18:23.58 | nyuszika7h | Alives, no, the MTA |
| 18:24.04 | medusaXX | bye bye |
| 18:24.06 | Alives | never heard of it |
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| 18:24.28 | Alives | interesting |
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| 18:24.58 | teraflop | lol |
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| 18:25.54 | boudiccas | i'm trying to open a tar.gz file with ark and ark is unable to open it because it doesnt recognise the format. what do i need to install to open it please? |
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| 18:28.21 | happycrappy | hi all, got a quick question about debian best practices: i want to install a newer version of package. The package maintainer hasn't had a chance to package it (probably for good reason…i.e. he is testing it). What would be the correct course of action for me? 1. compile from source and stick in /usr/local? 2. build a custom .deb named package~my_name and install that using dpkg -i. or 3. any other suggestion ? |
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| 18:29.07 | dawud | happycrappy: which package? |
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| 18:29.22 | happycrappy | dawud: netatalk |
| 18:29.30 | dawud | ,v netatalk |
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| 18:29.32 | judd | Package: netatalk on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.3-11+lenny1; squeeze: 2.1.2-2; sid: 2.2.2-1; wheezy: 2.2.2-1 |
| 18:29.50 | dawud | happycrappy: which version you want to have? |
| 18:30.11 | dawud | happycrappy: wheezy/sid's? |
| 18:30.47 | happycrappy | dawud: I wanna run the 3.x series….3.0 was released in july & 3.0.1 was released today |
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| 18:32.28 | dawud | happycrappy: I'd use checkinstall then |
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| 18:33.04 | happycrappy | dawud: checkinstall into /usr/local? then uninstall when there's an official release? |
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| 18:33.28 | gab59 | !list |
| 18:33.28 | dpkg | gab59: Debian è un sistema operativo composto di software libero non quella gratis. Vedi http://www.debian.org/intro/free.it.html per sapere di più. |
| 18:33.43 | dawud | happycrappy: with checkinstall you have a .deb pkg, so you can handle updates gracefully |
| 18:34.24 | happycrappy | dawud: thanks, I will go rtfm now :) |
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| 18:34.51 | dawud | happycrappy: checkinstall is very simple, you'll have no problem using it |
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| 18:36.21 | happycrappy | dawud: can I compile the source on virtual machine & transfer the deb to the target to avoid unneeded reps on my server? |
| 18:36.45 | happycrappy | dawud: or does check install expect it to be the same machine? |
| 18:37.31 | jordanm | happycrappy: that's fine as long as the build machine is building using the same libs that the target machine has |
| 18:37.36 | dondelelcaro | happycrappy: you could also just use the 2.2 packages as a base and build a new deb package for 3.0.1 or whatever. |
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| 18:37.48 | dondelelcaro | up to you |
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| 18:38.17 | happycrappy | dondelelcaro: yea, I was trying to figure out which is easier and which is the best practice |
| 18:38.34 | VlanZ | anyone has an idea how i can launch another script from "expect" ? |
| 18:38.48 | dondelelcaro | happycrappy: for me, I'd just update the package... but then, I already know how to create debian packages. |
| 18:39.02 | dondelelcaro | happycrappy: that's the best practice, but it might not be the easiest. |
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| 18:39.26 | jordanm | VlanZ: #expect |
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| 18:39.43 | jordanm | VlanZ: erm... #tcl actually |
| 18:40.06 | jordanm | !tell VlanZ about cross-post |
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| 18:40.57 | jordanm | only a 9 second wait in cross posting is pretty bad... |
| 18:41.18 | jordanm | and, not even using debian makes it even better |
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| 18:42.58 | VlanZ | jordanm: sorry bout that.. but does it matter ubuntu or debian? |
| 18:43.09 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 18:43.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 18:43.57 | jelly-home | VlanZ: read about expect's "spawn" |
| 18:44.31 | VlanZ | hmm maybe spawn ./script.sh ? |
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| 18:45.19 | jelly-home | that's writing not reading |
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| 18:56.42 | graham1 | hey. i plan to install a socks5 proxy on my debian squeeze vps. will i be able to see all unencrypted traffic going through my box? im guessing yes to that |
| 18:56.59 | Sm0ke0ut | no? |
| 18:57.19 | Sm0ke0ut | use wireshark to see all traffic |
| 18:57.29 | graham1 | what were you saying no to ? |
| 18:57.55 | Sm0ke0ut | you can't see unencrypted traffic with socks5 proxy |
| 18:58.37 | graham1 | why wouldn't i be able to if the socks5 user is going to an http:// website for example |
| 18:59.15 | jelly-home | if he controls the proxy process he can do whatever he wants |
| 18:59.39 | bullgard4 | jrm-rnl: Would it be a solution to my problem to store the data on an external hard disk? |
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| 19:00.54 | graham1 | how would i go about sending him from google.com to proxyhelp.com? |
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| 19:02.17 | Sm0ke0ut | with a transparent http proxy I guess (squid?) |
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| 19:06.23 | Nik05 | guys i tried to run `screen irssi' with crontab |
| 19:06.32 | Nik05 | but i get an error must be connected to a terminal |
| 19:06.42 | bedi | makes sense :) |
| 19:06.50 | Nik05 | how can i start `screen irssi' connected to a terminal? :p |
| 19:06.52 | bedi | why would you run screen on cron ? |
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| 19:07.25 | meyou^ | Nik05: connect to the terminal |
| 19:07.30 | meyou^ | Nik05: type 'screen irssi' |
| 19:07.31 | meyou^ | ? |
| 19:07.50 | Nik05 | but how to do it when im not connected to screen? |
| 19:07.57 | Nik05 | so with screen deattached |
| 19:08.04 | Nik05 | maybe some screen option? |
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| 19:08.47 | meyou^ | what is it you're trying to do? |
| 19:08.53 | meyou^ | make the server get on irc upon boot? |
| 19:08.59 | Nik05 | yes :P |
| 19:09.15 | Nik05 | and able to attach to screen when i want |
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| 19:09.45 | Nik05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.48 | Nik05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.51 | Nik05 | found it :D |
| 19:09.51 | Nik05 | thanks guys |
| 19:11.22 | meyou^ | hehe |
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| 19:11.28 | meyou^ | good stuff |
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| 19:11.43 | Nik05 | but is it possible that internet forexample isnt working? |
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| 19:11.55 | Nik05 | or something else screen and irssi depend on? |
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| 19:12.47 | bedi | irssi will just not connect |
| 19:13.27 | Nik05 | cause cron isnt the last program that starts running at booting |
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| 19:14.00 | saedelaere | does anyone know of a solution that permanently checks ssh daemon and restarts it if it is not running? today my virtual server was no longer reachable after a reboot over ssh. an admin of my provider was able to restart the daemon without problems. I also checked the runlevel config for sshd. is set to 3,4,5 so this should be fine |
| 19:14.15 | saedelaere | now I thought why not checking idf the daemon is running |
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| 19:14.59 | tremon | saedelaere: like monit? |
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| 19:16.44 | saedelaere | tremon: monit sounds very interesting |
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| 19:16.49 | saedelaere | thanks for the hint! |
| 19:17.14 | tremon | I know there are similar programs, but can't find any more right now. you'll have to do with that one |
| 19:17.18 | tremon | ;) |
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| 19:19.37 | specing | nagios. |
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| 19:27.40 | dawud | zabbix |
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| 19:28.30 | julius_ | hi |
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| 19:28.55 | frikinz_ | checkservice |
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| 19:29.42 | julius_ | just resized a volume group, but where can i see the volume groups length so that i can shrink the surrounding partition? |
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| 19:54.57 | AvaterAng1 | Question how can I get my bluetooth keyboard and mouse to work on Gnome Wheeze? |
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| 19:56.46 | AvaterAng1 | I am unable to use them at all on there....on windows i just plug it and it works but on Wheeze gnome it just does not work at all |
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| 19:58.21 | AvaterAng1 | I even try to switch to Lxde and nothing |
| 19:58.22 | tremon | AvaterAng1: the first pairing must be done manually, make sure you have bluez installed |
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| 19:59.00 | tremon | other than that, I've never tried it on gnome3, used it only years ago on gnome2 |
| 19:59.11 | AvaterAng1 | I can't pair anything if I can't click on anything that;s the problem |
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| 20:00.05 | AvaterAng1 | its like using a pc just with a monitor not much you can do lol |
| 20:00.56 | tremon | try asking #bluez or #bluez-users. I think you may need to connect another keyboard for the initial setup |
| 20:01.46 | AvaterAng1 | who was the smart developer in gnome who came up with this dumb bluetooth way of doing things |
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| 20:02.55 | AvaterAng1 | So what you are telling me is to go buy a regular old keyboard and mouse to work with gnome? lol |
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| 20:03.27 | tremon | no, I'm telling you to ask #bluez-users if you don't get a useful response here |
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| 20:03.39 | AvaterAng1 | its ok i will just delete it and get something else like Ubuntu or Mint |
| 20:03.52 | syslq_ | AvaterAng1: win7 |
| 20:03.56 | syslq_ | AvaterAng1: sp1 |
| 20:03.58 | syslq_ | :) |
| 20:04.16 | AvaterAng1 | Win7 works fine I just plug and use no set up |
| 20:04.38 | AvaterAng1 | oh well i will get another distro thanks |
| 20:04.44 | p8m | AvaterAng1: pretty sure windows me has an unofficial bluetooth stack |
| 20:04.52 | p8m | might be worth a try |
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| 20:06.10 | AvaterAng1 | It works fine on window 7 it in linux that it doesnt work why would window have the answers for a linux distro? |
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| 20:06.42 | zinx | x_X |
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| 20:06.49 | AvaterAng1 | Anyway I will try openSuse they are windows baby maybe it will work there |
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| 20:07.42 | frikinz_ | chaing distro for a keyboard ... |
| 20:07.47 | frikinz_ | changing* |
| 20:08.18 | AvaterAng1 | No changing a distro cause it doesn't work like it needs to |
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| 20:09.48 | teraflop | i have debian sid and bt works out of the box |
| 20:09.51 | tremon | wonders if he should mention that all linux distributions use the same bluetooth stack |
| 20:11.07 | AvaterAng1 | Will see if openSuse doesn't let me use my wireless keyboard and mouse i can always delete and just keep using windows |
| 20:11.28 | AvaterAng1 | or Apple |
| 20:11.45 | devios | how do i make it so when i shut the laptop lid,it just turns off the screen but continues to run, instead of hibernating/sleeping? seems like script hacking that i dont understand, or some kind of tweak tool for gnome that isn't in apt from googling. anyone know? |
| 20:12.09 | tremon | AvaterAng1: go annoy people somewhere else. you're obviously not looking to have your issue solved or you would have taken this to #bluez already |
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| 20:13.49 | mtn | devios: what desktop environment are you using? |
| 20:13.55 | devios | gnome |
| 20:14.01 | devios | mtn: gnome |
| 20:14.04 | mtn | devios: gnome what |
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| 20:14.24 | mtn | 2 or 3? |
| 20:14.25 | AvaterAng1 | Tremon I should go to 20 chat rooms to solve easy things that should work from the start and you are angry cause I got choices and not stuck with your sorry ass distro cause there are millions to chose from sorry life is hard when you got competition |
| 20:14.30 | devios | mtn: 2.30.2 |
| 20:14.39 | devios | mtn: on squeeze |
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| 20:15.02 | mtn | devios: I think you look in the power manager settings for turning suspend on/off. I am on 3 so can't look. |
| 20:15.20 | devios | mtn: it's not in there |
| 20:15.24 | devios | mtn: on 2 |
| 20:15.24 | meyou^ | AvaterAngry |
| 20:15.39 | devios | mtn: how do i replace gnome 2 with gnome 3 on squeeze? |
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| 20:15.53 | mtn | devios: pretty much you don't |
| 20:16.28 | mtn | devios: someone else should know where to look to turn off suspend. or go to the gnome site or search for an answer. |
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| 20:16.50 | devios | mtn: you'd think, right? |
| 20:16.57 | tremon | devios: this won't help you, but http://www.hadess.net/2011/09/omg-i-haz-designed-bug-fix.html is the gnome3 solution. Have a read, it's quite enjoyable |
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| 20:17.36 | mtn | devios: in gnome 3 you use gnome-tweak-tool |
| 20:18.31 | tremon | it also happens to suggest that gnome2 does have that option, but not where to find it :( |
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| 20:19.43 | devios | mtn: how do you have gnome3 |
| 20:20.00 | mtn | devios: running wheezy |
| 20:20.01 | devios | tremon: lol that's pretty funny. |
| 20:20.32 | devios | mtn: found any huge problems with wheezy? any big drawbacks? |
| 20:20.44 | mtn | devios: nope, very nice |
| 20:21.15 | devios | mtn: this system is far from production... i should probably just "upgrade" |
| 20:21.27 | meyou^ | devios: take a look in /etc/acpi/lid.sh |
| 20:21.28 | meyou^ | ? |
| 20:21.30 | mtn | devios: sure, why not? |
| 20:21.45 | frikinz_ | tremon: is this gnome3 run thing a joke? :) |
| 20:22.01 | devios | meyou^: lol if i try to edit bash scripts, closing my lid would likely cause a city-wide power outage |
| 20:22.09 | meyou^ | hehe |
| 20:22.34 | meyou^ | that's the script that gets run when you close the lid |
| 20:22.52 | meyou^ | worst case just pastebin it and make one of these guys fix it :) |
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| 20:23.52 | tremon | devios: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15520/how-can-i-tell-ubuntu-to-do-nothing-when-i-close-my-laptop-lid appears to have instructions for gnome2 too. No guarantees that they work on debian though |
| 20:25.39 | mtn | devios: yup, power management settings :P |
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| 20:26.01 | devios | tremon: that looks promising! instead of nothing, what's the keyword for turning the monitor off? |
| 20:26.42 | devios | tremon: oh nvm it says right in the tool |
| 20:26.44 | tremon | "blank", I'd guess |
| 20:26.54 | devios | tremon: ^ nods i deserved that |
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| 20:28.33 | devios | so after making the change, what do you think it takes to make the change "active"? |
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| 20:29.03 | tremon | closing the lid :) |
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| 20:29.25 | tremon | j/k, gconf settings should apply immediately |
| 20:29.26 | devios | lol here goes nothing - if i get disconned, you know what happened... |
| 20:30.07 | tremon | got fragged by suspense |
| 20:31.20 | meyou^ | devios not replying to ctcp ping |
| 20:31.22 | meyou^ | fears the worst |
| 20:32.35 | tremon | aww... that's the second patient I've lost tonight |
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| 20:32.44 | tremon | I'm on a roll! |
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| 20:33.29 | devios | that worked about as well as a fart in church |
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| 20:36.39 | tremon | well, then it's likely not gnome that is doing the suspending |
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| 20:36.53 | devios | tremon: gotcha |
| 20:37.31 | p8m | I think with HAL and pm-utils installed, the /etc/acpi and acpid are not used |
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| 20:38.53 | devios | p8m: so what controls lid settings in that case, and how would one go about changing them? |
| 20:39.00 | p8m | gnome-power-manager calls HAL calls pm-utils which actually suspends |
| 20:39.19 | Quibus | good night |
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| 20:39.24 | p8m | I think pm-utils calls the scripts in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d directory |
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| 20:41.38 | p8m | though if it's the lid, it probably a HAL event, not gnome-power-manager |
| 20:41.53 | bhasker | what does -l do in gnome-screensaver-command. Man page says it is for lock whereas -help says it is for login shell !!! discrepancy between the two ? |
| 20:43.05 | Iridos | my gnome-screensaver-command -h on wheezy says lock, too |
| 20:43.13 | p8m | devios: do you are have pm-utils installed? are you on squeeze? |
| 20:43.22 | Iridos | anyway, what would "login shell" mean in that context |
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| 20:43.29 | devios | p8m: yes and yes |
| 20:43.39 | Iridos | I mean.. what'd it actually do that one could describe that way |
| 20:44.06 | raidhtc | php , mysql, apache2 > whats the correct order to install them on a debian machine |
| 20:44.22 | meyou^ | all at once |
| 20:44.24 | bhasker | oh the problem is when you run it as root it says login shell whereas when you run as normal user -l is to lock |
| 20:44.24 | daemonkeeper | Doesn't matter. |
| 20:44.46 | meyou^ | apt-get install php5-mysql |
| 20:44.54 | meyou^ | dependencies rock |
| 20:45.12 | daemonkeeper | You surely won't get a MySQL server when installing php5-mysql. |
| 20:45.34 | bhasker | http://paste.debian.net/194085/ |
| 20:45.46 | meyou^ | would've sworn you do |
| 20:46.19 | daemonkeeper | And what would people do who run the MySQL server on another machine? |
| 20:46.44 | meyou^ | oh right you just get the client |
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| 20:47.29 | daemonkeeper | Neither. You get client libraries. |
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| 20:50.52 | p8m | devios: I think the simplest way is to keep /etc/acpi/lid.sh from being run. "mv /etc/acpi/lid.sh /etc/acpi/lid.sh.bak" or edit it to not suspend or remove the execute permission |
| 20:50.54 | frikinz_ | Is it currently possible to build and have fglrx working with a 3.5 kernel in debian? Just want to know before upgrading the whole. |
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| 20:53.55 | teraflop | 3.5 kernel from repos in debian is experimental, i think |
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| 20:54.37 | frikinz_ | 3.5 is not the problem, I'm running it but getting some X errors so I guess the kernel interface changed |
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| 20:55.06 | frikinz_ | also heard PM management improved in radeon which was the only reason I went back to fglrx. |
| 20:55.16 | frikinz_ | and winter is arriving here so I need heating |
| 20:56.39 | frikinz_ | 3.5 is spitting a lot of acpi dsdt errors though which does'nt make me so happy |
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| 21:01.30 | p8m | frikinz_: does fglrx not work with the 2.6.32? |
| 21:02.24 | frikinz_ | acpi errors which seems to be for all intel chipset |
| 21:02.33 | frikinz_ | p8m: I get it working for all combinations BUT 3.5 |
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| 21:03.02 | frikinz_ | p8m: not that critical, just wanted to know if people tried. I'll try now |
| 21:03.22 | frikinz_ | 2.6.32, 3.x all worked. just not 3.5 |
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| 21:04.15 | Jolein | anyone knows something about ncmpcpp ? |
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| 21:09.52 | p8m | tell Jolein -about ask |
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| 21:10.34 | Jolein | i am trying to play music from an FPT server with ncmpcpp (dmp) but i cant find any documentation on how this would be done , can anyone help ? |
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| 21:13.16 | jhutchins_wk | Jolein: Have you checked /usr/share/doc/ncmpcpp? |
| 21:13.33 | p8m | Jolein: you'll have to configure mpd on the server |
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| 21:16.23 | bhasker | I am trying to lock a user screen from root. http://paste.debian.net/194096/ This is not complaining but is not working either. Am I doing anything wrong ? |
| 21:16.55 | jhutchins | Jolein: It looks like they consider it so similar to ncmpc that they don't need to document it explicitly, assuming that everybody who knows about it knows ncmpc already. |
| 21:17.19 | dario | bhasker: does the dbus-session-file exist? |
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| 21:18.00 | bhasker | dario: It does not. How do I get the variables |
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| 21:20.36 | bhasker | dario: Well shell does not expand ~ inside test -e. I will try direct path now. |
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| 21:21.21 | bhasker | "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.ScreenSaver was not provided by any .service files." Whereas when run as normal user this works |
| 21:22.58 | bhasker | All I want is to be able to lock the gnome screen when I call my own ACPI suspend to RAM |
| 21:23.16 | Jolein | jhutchins what do you mean ? |
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| 21:23.41 | Jise | buenas y gordas |
| 21:25.14 | jhutchins | Jolein: They haven't documented ncmpcpp at all, but I would expcet that documentation from ncmpc would be relevant. |
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| 21:25.51 | p8m | bhasker: would sudo -u <username> gnome-screensaver-command -l work? |
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| 21:26.50 | bhasker | p8m: No it does not work. Especially when run from inside acpi shell |
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| 21:27.59 | bhasker | ** Message: Failed to get session bus: Command line `dbus-launch --autolaunch=d2418e3edf774ab87d7089a4503ea117 --binary-syntax --close-stderr' exited with non-zero exit status 1: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.\n |
| 21:28.30 | bhasker | this is the message I get when I run it from console the command sudo -u bhasker gnome-screensaver-command -l |
| 21:29.17 | bhasker | whereas it works when I run it from a terminal inside the X session. If I want to lock it from console (tty1) as root then this does not work |
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| 21:30.54 | p8m | If you're logged in as a regular user at tty1 does it gnome-screensave-command -l work? |
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| 21:32.17 | bhasker | No it does not. Typically, login as a user in graphical session and switch to one of the consoles. From there the dbus is not accessible at all. There does not seem to be any way of passing session ID or something to identify the session fom dbus-send command line |
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| 21:34.48 | p8m | bhasker: does it work if you set "export DISPLAY=:0.0" ? |
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| 21:35.10 | bhasker | p8m: tried. No joy. |
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| 21:36.02 | p8m | bhasker: for what it's worth regular xscreensaver works when I tried to lock it from a tty |
| 21:36.59 | bhasker | p8m: Yes. That I think is the best solution. I am sure xscreensaver works ! |
| 21:38.46 | Heston | I know I might be getting a biased answer here but I was curious if Debian is an ideal distro for game server hosting, with relation to the potential need for modern libraries and programs. Stability is my main attraction to Debian but it's not the only factor. |
| 21:38.47 | noetic | Why does stepping in 'si' on a call instruction gives me "Invalid binary operation on numbers." ? |
| 21:39.03 | noetic | Any help with gdb? |
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| 21:40.16 | jhutchins_wk | noetic: I would guess that your code is attempting to perform an invalid binary function on numbers. |
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| 21:42.21 | noetic | jhutchins_wk: Actually the call is being made to 'puts' function (its the same with every call), and this message is popping up. I can't understand why. :S |
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| 21:43.18 | specing | Heston: Gentoo :) |
| 21:43.43 | Heston | haha my favourite distro of course |
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| 21:44.22 | p8m | specing: as long as he doesn't mind everybody lagging as you build a million packages |
| 21:44.36 | specing | lol |
| 21:45.18 | Heston | sorry guys, we're gonna have 5 hour downtime while we rebootstrap and build the kernel from source |
| 21:45.51 | specing | I sync my servers from a buildhost |
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| 21:45.59 | specing | they don't do any compiling at all |
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| 21:47.45 | Heston | specing, so hold on, Gentoo was a serious answer? |
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| 21:48.01 | specing | yes |
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| 21:49.16 | Heston | specing, probably really off topic but for what reasons would I want to go with gentoo? I'm pretty sure I dont need bleeding edge library/program support but I could be wrong |
| 21:49.45 | homes | Heston: fwiw on this 6 core building a kernel doesn't take long at all :) |
| 21:50.09 | p8m | Heston: Debian is a good choice for servers. It has stable libraries and security support. |
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| 21:50.28 | jhutchins_wk | So how does GNUMail get away with capitalized command name? |
| 21:50.48 | jhutchins_wk | p8m: On the other hand it lacks long-term support. |
| 21:51.33 | homes | wonders what long-term means |
| 21:51.50 | homes | to some it's 10 years, to others 5 years, to others 3 |
| 21:51.55 | jhutchins_wk | homes: RH is ten years now. |
| 21:52.10 | jhutchins_wk | homes: I'd like to see 5. 3 we got. |
| 21:52.13 | specing | Heston: flexibility |
| 21:52.32 | p8m | jhutchins_wk: But Debian upgrades are sweet and debian has a ton of packages much more than RHEL |
| 21:52.34 | specing | and speed, hehe |
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| 21:52.42 | homes | while debian support is much shorter, RH support fees sure aren't cheap! |
| 21:52.54 | Heston | what about CentOS |
| 21:52.58 | specing | you get what you pay fore |
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| 21:53.07 | homes | specing: not true at all. |
| 21:53.22 | jhutchins_wk | p8m: Not server-related, but I'm not enjoying lenny-squeeze. etch->etch-n-half-lenny wasn't too bad on the servers. |
| 21:53.33 | specing | I heard RH's support it excellent |
| 21:53.39 | p8m | My brother used CentOS and then his dog died :( |
| 21:53.50 | homes | specing: sure, but not as good as debians in my experience ;) |
| 21:54.11 | jhutchins_wk | specing: I'm not really impressed with redhat support. Then again, I've been running linux longer than some of them have been walking. |
| 21:54.29 | specing | homes: Are there any debian reps you can phone and get an answer in 5 minutes? |
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| 21:54.52 | p8m | Who needs phones when you have unaccountable strangers in an irc channel? |
| 21:54.54 | jordanm | specing: consultants |
| 21:55.04 | jhutchins_wk | specing: An answer vs the correct answer... |
| 21:55.12 | specing | fail enaugh |
| 21:55.15 | specing | fair* |
| 21:55.25 | homes | specing: we have redhat's gold support, the times i've called i have been impressed. but that's only because i was holding them to the same standards as microsoft, oracle or symantec |
| 21:55.35 | jhutchins_wk | specing: I've had three tickets they could give no assistance with so far since March. |
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| 21:56.12 | Heston | I'd just like to say it's pretty cool you guys can talk openly and honestly about other distros in here |
| 21:56.23 | jhutchins_wk | Actually, no, I take that back, one of them they forwarded a script they found on the internet, and I never had a chance to test it. |
| 21:56.34 | specing | Heston: Im constantly being threatened with a ban |
| 21:56.45 | jhutchins_wk | Heston: We are actually pretty off-topic and if one of the mods shows up we'll be in trouble... |
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| 21:56.59 | Heston | hmmm |
| 21:57.06 | jhutchins_wk | Heston: However, we could discuss it in #debian-offtopic |
| 21:57.07 | homes | perhaps, but it's not like we're flooding away anyone's debian related convo :) |
| 21:57.09 | specing | Heston: Try Gentoo :D |
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| 21:57.14 | Heston | rofl |
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| 21:57.42 | jhutchins_wk | homes: True, but a busy channel can discourage people and make it hard to find relevant content when you've been away for a bit. |
| 21:58.23 | tremon | argh. Anyone have a good pointer/explanation on how to use find's -prune operator? I'm fighting it every time I need it |
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| 21:59.03 | bhasker | all: can I get some help please ? I am trying to lock my gnome screen when I come back or go into suspend to RAM. |
| 21:59.11 | specing | isn't prune like exclusion? |
| 21:59.21 | bhasker | gnome-screensaver-command -l does not work inside the acpi lock scripts |
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| 21:59.25 | bhasker | dbus-send does not work |
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| 21:59.51 | bhasker | xscreensaver works but mine is a tablet and xscreensaver does not show any on-screen keyboard to unlock using password ! |
| 21:59.52 | katsh | alright. i am trying to ssh into my debian laptop, but i get connection timed out. auth.log doesn't even show attempts from my IP |
| 21:59.57 | homes | bhasker: not quite the solution you want, but i use xtrlock for screen locking |
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| 22:00.05 | tvm | katsh: ping works ? |
| 22:00.11 | katsh | i can ssh to it from my local computer, but when i ssh into a server, and try to ssh into my debian laptop, timed out. no log |
| 22:00.20 | katsh | tvm: yes. i connect to it from my desktop |
| 22:00.30 | specing | katsh: your routes are broken |
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| 22:00.36 | specing | or your dns is broken |
| 22:00.44 | katsh | which and where? |
| 22:00.50 | tvm | katsh: specifying the host by IP ? |
| 22:00.51 | specing | all, everywhere |
| 22:00.57 | katsh | tvm yes |
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| 22:01.08 | katsh | ok let me explain better :) |
| 22:01.09 | tvm | katsh: telnet IP 22 shows something ? |
| 22:01.17 | specing | s/telnet/nc/ |
| 22:01.23 | katsh | remote server R, local computer A and local computer B. |
| 22:01.25 | bhasker | homes: xtrlock is very minimal and good but not much useful in tablet environment |
| 22:01.28 | katsh | oh, linux btw |
| 22:01.36 | tvm | zsh: command not found: nc |
| 22:01.40 | katsh | ok so. i can ssh from A to B |
| 22:01.42 | tvm | ;-) |
| 22:01.43 | katsh | but not from R to B |
| 22:02.17 | tvm | katsh: firewall ? |
| 22:02.25 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: can you ping the laptop? Can you nmap it? |
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| 22:02.47 | katsh | tvm: but how can it be? i can connect to it with a machine in the same network |
| 22:02.58 | katsh | yes. i can ssh into my laptop from my desktop |
| 22:03.22 | jst_ | can i ask a question here about wheezy since #debian-next is +i? |
| 22:03.28 | tvm | katsh: tried the telnet/nc to port 22 ? this can be ssh-specific configuration problem |
| 22:03.29 | katsh | but when i ssh to my laptop from a remote server, it times out |
| 22:03.52 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: Wait, if the laptop and A are local, do they have public addresses or forwarded ports? On a normal NAT network they would not be visible to external clients. |
| 22:03.54 | katsh | tvm reading man rc right now. one sec |
| 22:04.09 | katsh | jhutchins_wk: what i did was, i changed the sshd port on the laptop. port 9898 |
| 22:04.14 | mtn | jst_: ask away |
| 22:04.26 | katsh | so from a remote computer, i do ssh katsh@my.ip -p 9898 |
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| 22:04.52 | katsh | from my desktop, i do ssh katsh@internal.ip -p 9898 |
| 22:04.57 | katsh | (and that works) |
| 22:05.24 | jst_ | xvba-va-driver was removed from wheezy, but it exists in sid. i really would like to have xvba working for use in mythtv. should i apt-get -t unstable install xvba-va-driver, or install manually using AMD's binary? |
| 22:05.40 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: That's not really relevant. |
| 22:05.47 | frikinz_ | timeout probably means ip problem.. route or firewall so the telnet test would be interesting |
| 22:05.50 | katsh | tvm: nc localhost -9898 gives SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.5p1 Debian-6+squeeze2 |
| 22:06.04 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: Unless the laptop has a public IP you'll need to forward a port on a public device (like a router) to the laptop. |
| 22:06.30 | katsh | why wouldn't changing ports work? |
| 22:06.38 | tvm | katsh: and from the remote machine ? |
| 22:07.01 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: You can change ports all you want, unless a public IP has a port forwarded to the laptop it's not going to work. |
| 22:07.03 | jst_ | mtn, okay, just did, thanks. :) |
| 22:07.10 | katsh | tvm same thing |
| 22:07.33 | katsh | jhutchins_wk: i see what youre saying |
| 22:07.34 | tvm | katsh: so it is actually able to establish the connection to given port |
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| 22:07.43 | katsh | it is..but from internal ips |
| 22:07.44 | jhutchins_wk | you must forward a public IP that routes to your internal network to laptopip:9898 |
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| 22:07.59 | katsh | i have to bind the port for external ips i guess |
| 22:08.01 | tvm | nods |
| 22:08.01 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: It can be port 22, or port 80, or whatever port you want. |
| 22:08.26 | katsh | so i have to login to my router e |
| 22:08.27 | katsh | h |
| 22:08.28 | jhutchins_wk | Remote system -> port on public IP -> port on laptop. |
| 22:08.29 | joebobjoe | Can anyone help me debug cron? When I run cron at command line: "cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 30022: Resource temporarily unavailable" |
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| 22:08.49 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: You have to forward a port on your router to a port on your laptop. |
| 22:08.55 | katsh | right |
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| 22:09.09 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: you could also ssh to the router, then ssh from the router to the laptop if the router has ssh. |
| 22:09.29 | katsh | yeah i have to call verizon and ask for the default u/p |
| 22:09.44 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: ? |
| 22:09.50 | katsh | its an ISP provided router |
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| 22:10.24 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: Oh, and you don't have access. It might not do port forwarding. A lot of ISP's have an official "No Servers" policy, which means no port forwarding. |
| 22:10.36 | Ghormoon | hi guys, I've installed grub2 from debian (live) and i need to chainload windows, I"m trying to make my laptop bootable for last 3 days and still no luck :( from hiren's boot cd (grub4dos) I'm able to boot the partition, but I didn't manage from grub2 :( I'm getting error: invalid signature |
| 22:10.38 | katsh | that's not annoying |
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| 22:10.43 | tvm | joebobjoe: what are you doing, when that happens ? |
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| 22:10.51 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: Do you know what make and model the router is? |
| 22:10.57 | katsh | so i cant let people ssh into me? |
| 22:11.07 | katsh | jhutchins_wk: le tme go look. i know it's fios |
| 22:11.08 | joebobjoe | tvm: root@vps:/etc# cron |
| 22:11.10 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: We don't know yet. |
| 22:11.24 | tvm | joebobjoe: why are you doing that exactly ? isn't cron running ? |
| 22:11.40 | nsadmin | Ghormoon do you have debian already on that machine? |
| 22:11.51 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: "port forwarding" would be important keywords when searching the Verizon knowledgebase. |
| 22:12.10 | Ghormoon | no, I've installed grub into the win7 ntfs partition :) |
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| 22:12.31 | jhutchins_wk | joebobjoe: Your error implies that cron is already running. |
| 22:12.32 | joebobjoe | tvm: Maybe, but it doesn't seem to be executing my crontabs in /etc/crontabs |
| 22:12.40 | joebobjoe | jhutchins_wk: Oh okay |
| 22:13.09 | jhutchins_wk | joebobjoe: That's an unusual location for crontabs anyway. /etc/cron.* is more common. |
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| 22:13.43 | Ghormoon | only thing i need to do is chainload ... hiren's boot cd does only "rootnoveryfy(hd1,0)" (when booting hiren's boot cd, usb is hd0, hdd hd1) and "chainloader +1" and it boots ... from grub2 i didn't manage :( |
| 22:13.46 | jhutchins_wk | joebobjoe: That and /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 22:13.51 | joebobjoe | jhutchins_wk: I'm attempting to make a cron job that runs every 5 minutes, the cron.* is for daily/weekly/monthly no? |
| 22:14.01 | Thyem | So I just downloaded debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso and put it on a USB stick from a backtrack VM I have running on my windows 7 machine. I rebooted the machine and tried to run the installer but the installer wont recognice my keyboard so I cant setup a user etc. Any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 22:14.02 | katsh | jhutchins_wk: mi424-wr googling |
| 22:14.02 | tvm | joebobjoe: you are doing it wrong, most likely, use crontab -e to edit your cron jobs |
| 22:14.26 | nsadmin | hmm. so, you know that overall ntfs support under linux is a collection of guesses? :) |
| 22:14.27 | jhutchins_wk | katsh: Good luck! It's possible they'll suppot it! |
| 22:14.35 | tvm | joebobjoe: cron command is used to start the daemon itself exclusively |
| 22:14.51 | jhutchins_wk | nsadmin: That's all it is in windows. |
| 22:14.52 | katsh | jhutchins_wk: says customizable firewall. so i assume that's a yes |
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| 22:15.10 | katsh | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.32 | joebobjoe | tvm: Okay thanks, I still don't know why a cron in /etc/crontab wouldn't work... I'll try cron -e and report back |
| 22:15.45 | nsadmin | jhutchins_wk, he may have to repair or reinstall windows now... |
| 22:15.47 | raidhtc | i have a debian server, that is setup as apache /mysql/php and also has some samba shares for my windows network. i want to add as a samba share , the apache main folder, so i can work on my site from windows machines without the use of FTP. ive edited the smb.conf , but i cannot set a sambapassword for the www-data user in order to get the correct writes through samba |
| 22:15.51 | tvm | joebobjoe: not cron, crontab -e |
| 22:16.03 | katsh | no it allows it |
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| 22:16.05 | katsh | =D |
| 22:16.10 | raidhtc | rights* |
| 22:16.17 | raidhtc | any ideaS? |
| 22:16.26 | Ghormoon_ | damn tunnels, I've missed it if anyone replied ^^ |
| 22:16.46 | joebobjoe | tvm: Yea typo sorry |
| 22:17.16 | jst_ | xvba-va-driver was removed from wheezy, but it exists in sid. i really would like to have xvba working for use in mythtv. should i apt-get -t unstable install xvba-va-driver, or install manually using AMD's binary? |
| 22:17.43 | raidhtc | http://pastebin.com/5eVeAxq9 this is the share section of my smb.conf |
| 22:17.55 | tremon | joebobjoe: /etc/crontab is system-managed, if you modify it then dpkg might nag you if it needs to update the file. Use /etc/cron.d instead |
| 22:18.17 | raidhtc | i just cant connect through smb to "webroots" folder because i cannot set an smbpasswd for www-data |
| 22:19.08 | joebobjoe | tremon: cron.d/ is a directory, so how does that work? |
| 22:19.31 | jordanm | joebobjoe: you put crontab files in it |
| 22:19.54 | jordanm | joebobjoe: look at the existing files there |
| 22:19.59 | joebobjoe | jordanm: They can be called *? |
| 22:20.07 | joebobjoe | jordanm: There are no existing files there :) |
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| 22:20.16 | tremon | note that the syntax for /etc/crontab differs from user crontabs (crontab -e), there is an additional field to specify the run-as user |
| 22:20.28 | nsadmin | Ghormoon I mean, I hope things go well... but because it is guesses, I don't know if you overwrote something important... |
| 22:20.54 | nsadmin | Ghormoon, what is it you want to accomplish? |
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| 22:21.10 | Ghormoon | to be able to boot without the hiren;s boot usb flash :D |
| 22:21.15 | jordanm | joebobjoe: its just a crontab file. just create a file there and put in it exactly what you were going to put in /etc/crontab |
| 22:21.29 | Ghormoon | now i have to boot hiren, select Boot HDD 2 PArtition 1 and then it boots |
| 22:21.54 | nsadmin | before you did this grub install, were you able to boot normally? |
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| 22:22.37 | Ghormoon | nope, I've moved the win installation from one hdd to anither (classic -> ssd) and ddin't manage to reinstall mbr with any windows tool, so after 3 days I gave up and installed grub :) |
| 22:23.09 | Ghormoon | I hoped that I can accomplish something simmilar like the hiren's boot flash does |
| 22:23.21 | raidhtc | none can help on my issue? |
| 22:23.23 | nsadmin | ok, so you never were able to boot normally? |
| 22:23.32 | Ghormoon | on old hdd i were, on ssd not |
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| 22:24.48 | nsadmin | do you still have the hd with the wondows on it? |
| 22:24.50 | Ghormoon | main problem may be that on old hdd, it was second partitoon, now it's first ... |
| 22:24.54 | Ghormoon | yep |
| 22:25.29 | katsh | jhutchins_wk: many many thanks for your help. all is well. |
| 22:25.48 | nsadmin | so if you were to wipe the ssd and use the windows cd to install, that would be no big deal since you have all of your wondwos backed up? |
| 22:25.50 | katsh | tvm: you too |
| 22:25.55 | katsh | thanks :) |
| 22:26.57 | Ghormoon | but it wouldn't help to DD MBR, it's set for second partition ... |
| 22:26.57 | Ghormoon | I didn't have anought space to move the first partition (debian stable with xen) too :) |
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| 22:27.54 | tremon | Ghormoon: there is an underdocumented grub module called ntldr (or something), you might be able to skip the windows bootsector and jump to the loader directly |
| 22:28.03 | nsadmin | so you'd be leaving that on the hd? |
| 22:29.15 | Ghormoon | well I'm trying to avoid reinstallinf windows, that tyhing sucks :D and also it would be nice to have vorking grub so i can boot debian installations from it (one partition on sdd, other on hd2 - old hdd in caddy instead od DVD drive) |
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| 22:30.48 | nsadmin | Ghormoon, got it... and the ssd boots if you use some usb thing? |
| 22:31.48 | Ghormoon | yep, hiren;s boot cd has grub4dos in it and I've looked in menu,lst ... it executes two commands "rootnoverify(hdX,Y)" and "chainloader +1" |
| 22:32.01 | Ghormoon | it works then |
| 22:32.04 | nsadmin | Ghormoon, so it seems like your choices are, look into this module tremon mentioned, or resintall win |
| 22:32.47 | nsadmin | that sounds like legacy grub |
| 22:32.57 | Ghormoon | I have that module associated with win xp, does it work on 7? |
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| 22:33.22 | nsadmin | you'd have to see |
| 22:33.36 | nsadmin | I think win 7 is based on nt |
| 22:33.57 | tremon | don't know, I've only needed it for winxp, but it doesn't replace the ntldr |
| 22:34.30 | tremon | it only replace the code that starts the ntldr, and I don't think MS changes their low-level boot code that often |
| 22:34.42 | tremon | s/replace/&s/ |
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| 22:37.02 | joebobjoe | jordanm tremon: Still doesn't seem to be running... Is "*/5 * * * * ./root/project/deals/bin/python ../src/checkDeals.py" not a valid cron config? |
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| 22:37.34 | tremon | joebobjoe: depends where you put it. It is not a valid system crontab |
| 22:37.50 | Ghormoon | what should i search for? all results i get are about chaining ntldr for windows xp (and syes, windows up to xp used ntldr and since vista they use bootmgr) |
| 22:38.12 | joebobjoe | tremon: Put it in crontab -e |
| 22:38.34 | tremon | joebobjoe: how do you know it's not running? |
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| 22:38.59 | joebobjoe | tremon: It should output some files to a specific folder every five minutes |
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| 22:39.03 | nsadmin | the . at the beginning is not good |
| 22:39.09 | nsadmin | because |
| 22:39.20 | joebobjoe | tremon: I'll try it with a different command |
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| 22:39.26 | nsadmin | you don't actually know what -cron- is cd-ed to |
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| 22:39.33 | tremon | Ghormoon: hmm, hadn't considered the fact that MS /did/ change their bootloader :) |
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| 22:39.48 | joebobjoe | nsadmin: I tried it without the . first |
| 22:39.54 | Ghormoon | they did it on purpose to screm ne up ^^ :D |
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| 22:40.09 | Ghormoon | *screw |
| 22:40.10 | nsadmin | also the .. isn't good for the same reason |
| 22:40.12 | tremon | Ghormoon: but iirc, bootmgr has an actual configuration interface and repair commands (bootrec?) |
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| 22:40.45 | Ghormoon | yep, that didn't work at all, that's what I've been trying to use before installing grub :D |
| 22:40.46 | joebobjoe | nsadmin: But that part is being passed into the Python interpreter no? |
| 22:41.02 | joebobjoe | tremon: Location of file crontab -e open /tmp/crontab.xnopuR/crontab |
| 22:41.17 | joebobjoe | opens is * |
| 22:41.23 | Ghormoon | anyway, the loader itself works, when i load it from the partition by hiren's boot cd it starts, but it doesn't when i load it from grub ... It must be some dumb mistake ^^ |
| 22:42.04 | Ghormoon | I'll make an experiment, set in bootmgr some timer to see if the hiren;s really boots bootmgr or windows directly |
| 22:42.10 | tremon | Ghormoon: could be something as simple as boot device ordering, maybe win7 still has issues with 0x80 vs 0x81 |
| 22:42.24 | nsadmin | may or may not be,,, I'm not sure what you're using. but I do know the dots are not good because they turn your paths from absolute to relative, and neither of us know the answer to "relative to what" |
| 22:43.11 | tremon | joebobjoe: that's only the location of the copy you're editing, did you notice the "installing new crontab" line after exiting the editor? |
| 22:43.15 | joebobjoe | nsadmin: Good point |
| 22:43.15 | Ghormoon | maybe, I don't have an idea what are you talking about ^^ |
| 22:43.15 | Ghormoon | but the hdd is set as first device |
| 22:43.15 | Ghormoon | *sdd :) |
| 22:43.15 | Ghormoon | damn, ssd, i should sleep more |
| 22:43.15 | Ghormoon | almost didn't sleep last few days messing up with this :D |
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| 22:43.31 | joebobjoe | nsadmin: I forgot that the second rel path would not be evaluated by Python |
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| 22:43.45 | joebobjoe | tremon: No |
| 22:44.05 | joebobjoe | tremon: Oh wait yes |
| 22:44.11 | tremon | well it should say that (unless you don't change anything) |
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| 22:44.49 | tremon | the actual location is in /var/spool/cron/, but paths aren't relative to the file location, but the process working directory (pwd) |
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| 22:45.21 | tremon | and as nsadmin says, you shouldn't rely on the pwd anyway even if you knew it |
| 22:45.22 | joebobjoe | tremon: I think I fixed it we'll see if it works now |
| 22:45.28 | joebobjoe | tremon: How do I find the pwd? |
| 22:46.09 | tremon | guess... :) |
| 22:47.00 | tremon | Ghormoon: welcome back. network lag? |
| 22:47.15 | Ghormoon | 3g in train, tunnels and such ^^ |
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| 22:48.51 | Ghormoon | now I've changed bootmgr to wait 30 seconds to see if it really starts ... going to reboot and try, I'll be back in a while |
| 22:48.53 | Ghormoon | :) |
| 22:48.57 | tremon | but I was referring to the bios drive numbers (first hdd is 0x80, second 0x81 etc). Needed if you wanted to boot windows from another drive than where grub is located |
| 22:49.12 | Ghormoon | grub is on the same drive |
| 22:49.28 | Ghormoon | first partition of first drive |
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| 22:50.27 | nsadmin | the ssd is first drive? |
| 22:50.39 | nsadmin | erp gone |
| 22:50.50 | tremon | you had an epiphany? |
| 22:51.06 | nsadmin | a derpiphany |
| 22:51.48 | nsadmin | I didn't know the ssd was first drive... that makes me wonder if he switched em |
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| 22:55.08 | tremon | bah... having a machine that's faster than your monitor is annoying. Now I'm always too late to enter the bios or interrupt grub |
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| 22:56.27 | G__S_a_k | START KEYLOGGER |
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| 22:57.56 | Ghormoon | I'm back ... so the win bootloader DOES start correctly and works ... so the problem is how to chainload it |
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| 22:58.21 | G__S_a_k | Ghormoon fuck off |
| 22:58.29 | G__S_a_k | dont blame windows |
| 22:58.54 | tremon | !ops G__S_a_k scriptkiddy wannabe |
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| 22:59.06 | nsadmin | G__S_a_k, obviously you joined this conversation late... |
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| 22:59.20 | G__S_a_k | !ops tremon moaning little bitch |
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| 23:00.34 | tremon | Ghormoon: do you have any more partitions? did you change the partitions on the original drive too? |
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| 23:01.15 | Ghormoon | original drive is still untouched until I'm sure this works |
| 23:01.39 | Ghormoon | original hdd: sda1 xen, sda2 win7, sda3 debian, sda4 data |
| 23:01.41 | nsadmin | Ghormoon, wise (non)move |
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| 23:01.43 | Ghormoon | sdd: sda1 win7, sda2 prepared for debian, sda3 data |
| 23:01.46 | tremon | it's also no longer in the system? or is it still connected? |
| 23:02.27 | nsadmin | wait :) you can't have two sdas :) |
| 23:02.40 | Ghormoon | only thing iv;e done so far is DDing 2nd partition of hdd to 1st of ssd and copying some data (last partition) |
| 23:02.41 | nsadmin | just sayin |
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| 23:03.20 | Ghormoon | ikr, it was like it was before adding ssd, forget to write it as sdb now :D |
| 23:03.34 | nsadmin | Ghormoon, I was wondering whether you switched the drives so that the ssd was the first bios drive |
| 23:03.44 | Ghormoon | yep |
| 23:03.46 | tremon | I think your best bet right now is to get the win7 cd and do an automatic boot repair |
| 23:04.03 | Ghormoon | sdd > usb > hdd > other things |
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| 23:04.07 | tremon | but do it without the old hdd connected, so you can be sure it doesn't touch that one |
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| 23:04.20 | tremon | that will clobber grub, of course |
| 23:04.25 | Ghormoon | that was first thing i've tried after copiyng the win partition, it recovered automaticlally and did't boot (kept restarting forever) |
| 23:04.41 | tremon | hmm... ok so we're past that :) |
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| 23:05.06 | Ghormoon | yep, i did that without the hdd caddy :) |
| 23:05.15 | nsadmin | sux to be windows repair... |
| 23:05.31 | tremon | I think at this point you need a windows mechanic more than a debian one :) |
| 23:05.44 | Ghormoon | yep, i've messed with it for two days and then installed grub :D |
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| 23:06.19 | Ghormoon | anyway, grub will save me hassle later anyway (if i'll ever make the xen working xD) |
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| 23:07.34 | Ghormoon | well now U'm in state when windows bootloader works, but in MBR there was nothing, now there's grub which should be aple to chainload it like the hiren's boot cd ... but I don't know what I'm doing wrong ^^ |
| 23:07.52 | nsadmin | right, throughout this whole thing, debian stands strong... |
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| 23:09.22 | Ghormoon | anyway, I think that the problem now is in some grub settings ... I'm sure I've messed that up because i don't undersrand it much ^^ only thing I've done is creating grub.cfg with options that don't work xD |
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| 23:09.51 | dorphalsig | Hello, Im trying to install debian on a HW Raid array |
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| 23:10.11 | dorphalsig | however when its scanning for hardware it just freezes and keyboard light start blinking |
| 23:10.15 | dorphalsig | can anybody give me a hand? |
| 23:10.44 | peterS | dorphalsig: keyboard light blinking sounds like a kernel panic. something buggy about the driver, I would guess |
| 23:11.08 | dorphalsig | peterS: I remember I managed to debug my way through once |
| 23:11.10 | peterS | you don't get any text messages on the console? (or maybe you're using a graphical installer so you _can't_ see them?) |
| 23:11.12 | dorphalsig | but I cant remember now |
| 23:11.27 | peterS | what sort of hw raid, btw? |
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| 23:11.32 | dorphalsig | it just vomits screenloads of stuf |
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| 23:11.38 | peterS | I mean, I haven't heard of debian installer having problems with this, so I'm curious |
| 23:11.41 | dorphalsig | Its a SCSI ServeRaid |
| 23:12.04 | Ghormoon | I'm still googling the configs and now i've found one which has this line in addition: search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 1eb0f35fb0f33c39 what the hell does it do? :) |
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| 23:12.14 | peterS | dorphalsig: Are you installing from a debian 6.0 (squeeze) CD? |
| 23:12.23 | dorphalsig | 6.05 |
| 23:12.50 | peterS | dorphalsig: I suggest trying Kenshi Muto's squeeze installer with kernel 3.2.0 from backports: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 23:13.16 | peterS | dorphalsig: I say this because generic squeeze has kernel 2.6.32, and quite possibly a lot of kernel issues have been fixed between 2.6.32 and 3.2.4 (I think it's 3.2.4 anyway) |
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| 23:14.00 | dorphalsig | peterS: you'r egonna have to walk me through... I'm kinda new to custom kernels and stuff |
| 23:14.25 | peterS | dorphalsig: just download a netinst ISO image from that site, it's just like the normal netinst ISO images except with a newer kernel |
| 23:14.44 | peterS | oh and in my experience it fails when trying to map the USB keyboard layout, but you can just tell it to skip doing that and it proceeds fine |
| 23:14.59 | dorphalsig | ok I'll download it |
| 23:16.35 | Thyem | So I just downloaded debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso and put it on a USB stick from a backtrack VM I have running on my windows 7 machine. I rebooted the machine and tried to run the installer but the installer wont recognice my keyboard so I cant setup a user etc. Any ideas on how to fix it? |
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| 23:17.56 | dorphalsig | peterS: is there a torrent for this? |
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| 23:18.17 | dorphalsig | looks like its gonna take forever |
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| 23:18.48 | dorphalsig | and again I lie |
| 23:18.52 | dorphalsig | 1 minute left :D |
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| 23:20.14 | tremon | Thyem: any chance you have your keyboard plugged in a usb3 port? |
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| 23:24.05 | Thyem | tremon: Yes. It might be in a USB 3 slot. |
| 23:24.27 | dorphalsig | peterS: installing.... |
| 23:24.36 | tremon | in that case, try a non-usb3 port. the squeeze installer doesn't have usb3 drivers yet |
| 23:24.50 | Thyem | Thanks, Will try that later :) |
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| 23:27.51 | dorphalsig | peterS: It wont even start :s |
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| 23:42.30 | guampa | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/iceweasel here says that 15.0.1-1 is experimental, buggy etc |
| 23:43.12 | guampa | however i select "release" in http://mozilla.debian.net/ and it gives this deb line: deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release |
| 23:43.24 | guampa | which has 15.0.1-1 |
| 23:43.29 | guampa | what gives? |
| 23:43.40 | devios | took a while but i got wheezy going - kinda bummed it seems to have broken nxclient remote access :-( |
| 23:44.31 | babilen | guampa: http://mozilla.debian.net packages three Mozilla release channels, namely release, beta and aurora. Debian's repositories are different and you will often find stable upstream releases in experimental. |
| 23:44.58 | guampa | babilen: perfectly clear, thanks |
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| 23:50.48 | devios | took a while but i got wheezy going - kinda bummed it seems to have broken nxclient remote access :-( |
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| 23:51.47 | gnarface | deviant: what is nxclient? is that a debian program even? |
| 23:52.57 | gnarface | devios: i think that it is not, and furthermore i suggest that its nxclient that has broken wheezy access |
| 23:53.11 | devios | gnarface: ya reading about it now |
| 23:53.19 | gnarface | devios: i think probably just an X version mismatch though. |
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| 23:54.01 | devios | so what's the non-nxclient method people are using to remote into gnome3 systems? |
| 23:55.08 | gnarface | devios: well, if you're on a LAN or have decent bandwidth, normal X11 forwarding over SSH works just fine. if that doesn't fit the bill for you though; most people use vnc. there are some vnc servers with extra graphical compression support to improve bandwidth usage. |
| 23:55.26 | devios | gnarface: it |
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| 23:57.14 | devios | vino still the way to go? |
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| 23:58.48 | gnarface | devios: maybe? i seem to remember one that improved bandwidth usage through jpeg compression though. you might want to check around. |
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