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| 00:39.58 | scotepi | I have debian in a VM, if I fresh boot it boots fine, if I reboot I get initramfs unpacking failed: junk in compressed archive ... kernel panic - not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0 0) |
| 00:40.16 | yac | why would libmagickcore3-extra require libgtk2.0-0 on server? |
| 00:40.18 | Ghormoon | I've came to thank you for your time guys :) In the end, I've installed grub4dos and it works from it ... hopefulyl I'll be able to load debian from it later ... or chain grub2, but that would be realy sick, now i have 3 bootloaders on one partition :D so at least I want to get rid of the grub2 and have only 2 :) |
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| 00:41.57 | devios | woot |
| 00:42.08 | Ghormoon | btw I've just got an idea, is it possible to have debian correctly working on two sets of hardware? (virtualbox and real laptop hw)? I know windows wouldn't, but debian may be more flexible :))) |
| 00:43.06 | yac | should be, this is critical need for live distros |
| 00:43.15 | Ghormoon | so i can choose to duaboot it or virtualize it when i need it just for a while because of some tools :) |
| 00:43.17 | devios | after about 6 hours of wasted life, i finally can use nxclient to remote into my laptop, and can close the lid of my laptop without the laptop going into standby (but still blanking the screen) |
| 00:43.51 | Ghormoon | yep, windows also have some edited live dvd, but I'd need to have drivers in it for both hardware, so id works efficiently :) |
| 00:43.57 | devios | actually - correction: nxclient not working, but vino-server working so i can remote in using realvnc viewer |
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| 00:44.49 | nsadmin | Ghormoon, made any progress? did that grub module work? |
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| 00:45.24 | Ghormoon | btw is there anything that would eat less battery than virtualbox so i can have debian under windows (almost) all the time? I don't want to have graphics, I'll pass it though ssh x11 |
| 00:45.51 | Ghormoon | nsadmin: In the end, I've installed grub4dos (the same as on hiren's boot cd) and it works, I hope it will be aple to boot debians :) |
| 00:45.57 | hesco1 | is there an apt tool which will tell me what files a package installs? I just installed libhtml-tidy-perl and am hoping it might have included a cli tidy tool I can use on this ugly obfuscated html file I'm looking at. |
| 00:46.50 | Ghormoon | in worst case I'll chain grub2 from it, but that wuld be sick ... having 3 bootloaders on one partition ... :D |
| 00:47.12 | nsadmin | Ghormoon, you could try booting into grub, get a shell and poke around |
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| 00:48.01 | scotepi | I have debian installed in a VM, VirtualBox. I am getting a Kernel Panic on reboot, only on reboot.. cold boot is fine. Initramfs unpackeding faile: junk in compressed archive ... Karnel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(0,0) |
| 00:48.17 | nsadmin | hesco1, apt-file comes to mind |
| 00:48.20 | Ghormoon | I've been aplaying with grub2 console almost all day today, so I gave up and installed that edited dos grub :) but i think it will be able to boot debian when set correctly |
| 00:49.14 | nsadmin | Ghormoon, yeah, tab key is handy in grub shell of either 1 or 2 |
| 00:49.22 | hesco1 | nsadmin: thanks, looking at that now |
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| 00:50.15 | Ghormoon | it didn't help much :D i didn't get thotug the invalid signature error anyway ... grub4dos doesn't complain :D |
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| 00:50.21 | Ghormoon | *through |
| 00:50.30 | nsadmin | hesco1, it pulls files when you update it, then you can query |
| 00:50.59 | nsadmin | is that your ownly machine you can irc on? |
| 00:51.37 | Ghormoon | me? now yes, i'm in train :D I'll be back on college on monday evening (I have desktop there) |
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| 01:08.57 | hesco1 | what is the name of that tool which pings the apt mirrors and provides a list of those closest to you? |
| 01:09.14 | dvs | apt-spy? |
| 01:09.34 | hesco1 | my sources.list entries are throwing 404s and I need a new mirror it seems |
| 01:09.54 | hesco1 | have not heard of that one, but will look it up. thanks dvs . |
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| 01:10.11 | dvs | or http://cdn.debian.net/ |
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| 01:15.12 | z_marco | hesco1: Perhaps this link can help http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 01:21.29 | Jolein | anyone kows how to add visualisatuions in VLC ? |
| 01:21.34 | hesco1 | dvs: thanks, sources.list is much happier now |
| 01:21.40 | dvs | cool |
| 01:22.03 | NoobCoder | what do you mean by visualizations? |
| 01:22.24 | NoobCoder | check out KDE or GNOME look, they should have heaps |
| 01:22.36 | NoobCoder | sorry, but GNOME3 sucks |
| 01:22.43 | NoobCoder | even Linus said that |
| 01:23.15 | Jolein | NoobCoder http://i42.tinypic.com/2myax78.png |
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| 01:23.58 | Jolein | for VLC NoobCoder not for my window manager |
| 01:24.07 | Jolein | just something to show for music playing |
| 01:24.10 | NoobCoder | ahh, so you want the winamp style stuff for vlc |
| 01:24.14 | Jolein | yeah |
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| 01:24.21 | NoobCoder | let me think |
| 01:24.22 | Jolein | but it unfortunatly has to be VLC |
| 01:24.26 | NoobCoder | .......... |
| 01:24.28 | Jolein | or if winamp can stream |
| 01:24.33 | Jolein | i dunno that |
| 01:24.33 | NoobCoder | thats cool dude, it can be done |
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| 01:24.42 | NoobCoder | i just havent done it myself in a while |
| 01:24.49 | Jolein | ? |
| 01:24.51 | Jolein | done what ? |
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| 01:25.00 | NoobCoder | visualisations |
| 01:25.15 | NoobCoder | alright |
| 01:25.17 | NoobCoder | open VLC |
| 01:25.33 | Jolein | open |
| 01:25.39 | NoobCoder | now, hold on |
| 01:26.11 | Jolein | NoobCoder http://imagebin.org/230198 |
| 01:26.16 | NoobCoder | i have to check it out, give me a minute |
| 01:26.17 | Jolein | thats the look i am goin for |
| 01:26.25 | NoobCoder | go to tools |
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| 01:26.55 | Jolein | am in tools :D |
| 01:26.57 | NoobCoder | wait, stratch that |
| 01:27.31 | NoobCoder | yes, tools |
| 01:27.32 | NoobCoder | sorry |
| 01:27.44 | NoobCoder | plugins and extensions |
| 01:27.51 | NoobCoder | then there should be some there |
| 01:28.03 | Jolein | only 1 |
| 01:28.19 | NoobCoder | you should be able to google some and download them to VLC |
| 01:28.25 | NoobCoder | you run Debian? |
| 01:28.26 | Jolein | called allocine (france) |
| 01:28.37 | Jolein | yeah am on squeeze |
| 01:28.41 | NoobCoder | because the screenshot was windoze lol |
| 01:28.59 | Jolein | windoze ? |
| 01:29.06 | NoobCoder | Windows |
| 01:29.07 | NoobCoder | lol |
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| 01:29.11 | Jolein | ah lol ... |
| 01:29.14 | Jolein | its not .... |
| 01:29.21 | NoobCoder | it isnt? |
| 01:29.26 | Jolein | you ever saw ncmpcpp on windows ? |
| 01:29.32 | NoobCoder | man im trippin |
| 01:29.35 | NoobCoder | sorry, no |
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| 01:29.52 | NoobCoder | but i have seen Aircrack-ng on windows lol |
| 01:30.10 | Jolein | no its debian :p |
| 01:30.16 | z_marco | Jolein: are you trying to apply a skin for vlc? Is that the question? |
| 01:30.17 | Jolein | i would feel bad if i was on windows .... |
| 01:30.31 | Jolein | z_marco http://imagebin.org/230198 |
| 01:30.32 | bbqgates | I have one computer PXE booting off another computer which I have configured as a network switch... The computer boots fine via PXE through the switch, but I can't get the switch to forward my internet connection to the PXE computer. Does anyone have any advice? |
| 01:30.40 | NoobCoder | anyway dude, google some visualisations and KDE or GNOME should come up. go from there |
| 01:30.45 | Jolein | the visual on the background is from VLC |
| 01:30.54 | NoobCoder | i'll be back in a flash, gonna get some smokes |
| 01:30.55 | Jolein | from the same stream as the ncmpcpp but that one is dull |
| 01:31.08 | Jolein | NoobCoder i did that |
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| 01:31.15 | NoobCoder | how did it go? |
| 01:31.18 | Jolein | bad |
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| 01:31.24 | Jolein | thats what i did first |
| 01:31.28 | Jolein | cant find any other visuals |
| 01:31.43 | NoobCoder | u try KDE or GNOME-Look? |
| 01:31.54 | Jolein | this is gnome |
| 01:31.57 | Jolein | KDE sux |
| 01:32.01 | Jolein | imo |
| 01:32.06 | NoobCoder | KDE rules dude |
| 01:32.17 | Jolein | thats why i added the imo ^^ |
| 01:32.41 | Hydroxide | this isn't the place to have sux/rules arguments. people here use both environments and other things |
| 01:32.43 | NoobCoder | no problem |
| 01:32.48 | NoobCoder | im sorry |
| 01:32.55 | homes | e16! |
| 01:33.00 | Hydroxide | heh |
| 01:34.04 | Jolein | or does anyone else knows a media player that can stream and has some nice visuals ? |
| 01:34.33 | homes | visuals...for audio you mean? |
| 01:34.36 | NoobCoder | yeah, i think MPlayer can |
| 01:34.44 | Jolein | homes yeah |
| 01:34.50 | Jolein | the squirly stuff |
| 01:34.55 | NoobCoder | lol |
| 01:34.59 | Jolein | that moves with the music |
| 01:35.15 | z_marco | Jolein: If you google "VLC Skins", you have tons of skins to choose from for "nice visuals" as you put it. :-) |
| 01:35.20 | Hydroxide | on the kde side, amarok can. I'm sure gnome ones exist, and yes, vlc too |
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| 01:35.34 | NoobCoder | thats what i was trying to say |
| 01:35.54 | NoobCoder | damn my English sometimes |
| 01:36.30 | homes | the english words for mplayer and amarok are very similar |
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| 01:36.37 | z_marco | NoobCoder: Your english is fine.. |
| 01:36.38 | homes | ducks |
| 01:37.04 | bbqgates | Here is my /etc/network/interfaces file for both the "Switch" and the "PXE" computer and my /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf file for the "Switch" computer -> http://pastebin.com/CfpcRXj1 |
| 01:37.23 | Jolein | z_marco that gives me actual skins not realy visualisations |
| 01:37.25 | NoobCoder | z_marco thankyou |
| 01:37.55 | NoobCoder | MPlayer should do what you want |
| 01:38.05 | NoobCoder | not as good as VLC for codec support, but still good |
| 01:38.11 | bbqgates | When I wasn't PXE booting, the switch was forwarding my internet connection to the 2nd computer... I'm not sure why PXE booting the second computer would change that |
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| 01:39.03 | Jolein | NoobCoder am installing that |
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| 01:41.22 | bbqgates | I would think that setting my gateway (for the PXE booting computer) to the address of my switch would forward the connection... |
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| 01:42.08 | Jolein | ok mplayer does strem |
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| 01:42.13 | Jolein | but its in a terminal |
| 01:42.21 | Jolein | so not realy big on the visuals xD |
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| 01:48.23 | bbqgates | I don't think it has anything to do with my PXE setup because I can boot over PXE fine |
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| 01:49.45 | bbqgates | but I also don't see how it can be my network configuration, because I configured it the same way when I wasn't pxe booting and it was working fine then |
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| 01:50.20 | bbqgates | Maybe if you use an ethernet connection for PXE booting, can you then not use it for internet? |
| 01:50.57 | damacus | bbqgates: why doesnt switch computer have auto eth0 and auto eth1 and the matching inet manual entries? |
| 01:51.10 | damacus | not sure if thats relevant at all, im just now coming into this :) |
| 01:52.19 | damacus | perhaps unrelated too, but im wondering why you're calling it a switch computer. |
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| 01:53.17 | damacus | while linux is fairly commonly used as a router, it's rarely used as a switch except perhaps if you consider vm/cloud platforms and/or bridging |
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| 01:55.14 | damacus | further, what you've shown so far for the switch machine doesn't show anything relevant to a connection to the internet |
| 01:55.52 | bbqgates | ah well, the "br0" interface is the eth0 and eth1 interfaces combined |
| 01:56.28 | damacus | what interface reaches 0.1 |
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| 01:56.50 | damacus | in a physical sense |
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| 01:57.48 | bbqgates | the computer with the br0 interface doesn't have it's own internet connection, but gets forwarded the internet from another computer |
| 01:57.51 | damacus | btw, curious, what happens if on the pxe booting computer you just do route add default gw 192.168.0.1? |
| 01:58.16 | bbqgates | hmm.... eth1 on the br0 interface has the physical cable leading to the computer with the internet connection |
| 01:58.41 | damacus | if the switch comp bridge works as you'd expect a switch, then the traffic gets relayed.. but i suspect that'll fail thus your pushing gateway as 0.11 in the dhcp config... |
| 01:58.53 | bbqgates | that's a good thought adding the gateway as 192.168.0.1... let me try that |
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| 01:59.21 | damacus | if that works, that's kinda cool in an incredibly hacked up way :) |
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| 02:00.26 | bbqgates | unfortunately it doesn't :( |
| 02:00.53 | damacus | you may want to run a sniffer on br0 and see what traffic looks like |
| 02:01.10 | damacus | for example pinging 0.1 from 0.20 |
| 02:01.33 | damacus | aside from messing around though, clearly the easiest answer is to get a switch ;) |
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| 02:01.57 | bbqgates | yeah... but switches that allow PXE booting are expensive |
| 02:02.14 | bbqgates | plus I'm cheap :) |
| 02:02.22 | damacus | you can pxe over any switch |
| 02:02.25 | damacus | you can pxe over a hub |
| 02:03.02 | damacus | if its all on the same layer 2 segment, its fairly straightforward |
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| 02:03.12 | damacus | you run a server that has dhcp and tftp, maybe also nfs |
| 02:03.35 | bbqgates | really?... maybe it's home routers that you can't pxe off of... that I'm thinking of |
| 02:03.47 | damacus | yeah, that sounds reasonable |
| 02:04.01 | damacus | a lot of the appliacne routers or whatnot just have very basic services |
| 02:04.04 | bbqgates | right... my server/switch computer now runs tftp, dhcp and nfs |
| 02:04.44 | damacus | is 0.1 a linux router? |
| 02:04.47 | bbqgates | btw... of off my br0 interface I can successfully ping 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.20 |
| 02:05.01 | damacus | btw, one other thing |
| 02:05.20 | bbqgates | no... it's third debian computer with a wlan connection to the internet |
| 02:05.33 | damacus | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 02:05.36 | damacus | is that 1 or 0? |
| 02:05.41 | damacus | should be 1, just in case. |
| 02:05.55 | damacus | granted that bridging is layer 2, this may be relevant |
| 02:06.04 | bbqgates | it's a 0.... |
| 02:06.09 | damacus | ok |
| 02:06.16 | damacus | echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 02:06.21 | damacus | and try the pings etc again |
| 02:06.28 | bbqgates | let me change that and put my PXE comp gateway back to 192.168.0.11 |
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| 02:08.00 | bbqgates | ok that worked... I'm an idiot :P |
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| 02:08.07 | damacus | sweet |
| 02:08.09 | bbqgates | you're my hero damacus |
| 02:08.12 | bbqgates | :D |
| 02:08.16 | damacus | well that's pretty nifty :) |
| 02:09.00 | damacus | speaking of software switches though, I really do need to mess with openvswitch sometime. |
| 02:09.15 | damacus | ditto crossbow on illumos/solaris |
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| 02:09.49 | bbqgates | I've never tried those... I'm a networking noob |
| 02:10.05 | damacus | they're pretty hardcore |
| 02:10.13 | damacus | a lot of the cloud stuff is rocking that |
| 02:10.21 | damacus | vlans, bridging, tunneling, etc |
| 02:10.40 | damacus | a lot of the stuff you normally buy $1-3K+ cisco switches to do |
| 02:10.56 | damacus | except programmable, scriptable, flexible.. and .. free. |
| 02:11.55 | damacus | ERMAHGERD FRINGE |
| 02:11.56 | damacus | bbiab |
| 02:12.24 | bbqgates | lol |
| 02:12.43 | bbqgates | thanks again damacus |
| 02:13.08 | damacus | yw =) |
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| 02:13.59 | bbqgates | I have another question for anyone willing to answer... Can I pxe boot an x86 debian install off a x64 debian install? |
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| 02:15.51 | cockroach | hey, it seems some of my fonts got corrupted (see http://picpaste.com/pics/out.1348884880.png). i tried reinstalling the fonts and clearing any caches that i managed to find - any more ideas? |
| 02:16.26 | cockroach | (using xfce on wheezy) |
| 02:17.02 | devios | how can i make sure i have the best nvidia driver in place? |
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| 02:18.11 | nerd | debian uses packages that are outdate than most of that distro out there, doesn't this make debain app outdated and less featureless ? |
| 02:18.34 | bbqgates | devios, are you using the proprietary nvidia or the open source one? |
| 02:18.48 | nerd | cause new features are added in the newer version, and debain uses quite old packages ? |
| 02:19.00 | bbqgates | nerd... well it makes it more stable |
| 02:19.29 | cockroach | nerd: there's always the testing and unstable versions of debian if you really want newer versions of things |
| 02:19.29 | bbqgates | you can use testing or sid debian packages to get newer versions |
| 02:19.34 | nerd | bbqgates: we can say that 99 % debain is free from problem ?? |
| 02:19.52 | bbqgates | well stable is pretty darn stable |
| 02:20.24 | nerd | bbqgates: :) |
| 02:21.15 | nerd | thier is a lot of documentation on the debain site right to learn things straight away right ? |
| 02:21.42 | bbqgates | yes, or this irc room is pretty helpful |
| 02:22.21 | nerd | bbqgates: cool :D |
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| 03:03.19 | acu | hey guys - I am running wheezy gnome - and have two monitors - two questions - how can I move my control menus from one monitor to other - question 2 - If I play a movie one one screen (for full screen) versus other - where do I set these ? |
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| 03:04.39 | becker_11 | Hi, I'm trying to run a CBT course and need the latest version of java. I'm using Chromium v21 & there is a message on the icedtea plugin saying I need to download a critical security update. I've run dpkg --get-selections | grep icedtea & found I had version 6 so I manually installed v7 then did a sudo apt-get update/upgrade & a dist-upgrade yet the message is still there |
| 03:04.53 | becker_11 | How can I get this resolved?? |
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| 03:09.41 | acu | becker - what OS version do you use, what chromium ? |
| 03:10.02 | becker_11 | Debian Wheezy |
| 03:10.13 | acu | I use wheezy and iceweasel with flash-plugin-nonfree installed |
| 03:10.22 | becker_11 | Chromium v21.0 |
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| 03:10.48 | acu | did you enabled the non-free repositories ? and then install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:10.56 | becker_11 | acu: that's flash I'm refering to java |
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| 03:11.41 | acu | oh - so you need jre |
| 03:11.45 | acu | jre! |
| 03:12.01 | acu | !jre |
| 03:12.02 | dpkg | Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian; for Squeeze systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:12.31 | becker_11 | !icedtea |
| 03:12.32 | dpkg | IcedTea is a <Java> implementation based on <OpenJDK> and GNU Classpath, which can bootstrap OpenJDK using only free software components. It currently provides the only working free software Java web browser plugin. Packaged for Debian as icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) and icedtea-plugin (Wheezy). http://icedtea.classpath.org/ |
| 03:13.02 | acu | there you are :) |
| 03:13.41 | acu | but I would try different browsers anyhow |
| 03:13.50 | becker_11 | acu: yeah I think it's telling me I have the latest versions available, just checking now |
| 03:13.52 | chi | i'm having a netwokring issue with a fresh install of Debian 6.3. netstat -nr shows a Destination IP of brA-12 |
| 03:13.55 | chi | Remote Reboot Port: 11 |
| 03:13.56 | chi | god damn it |
| 03:14.18 | chi | 192.168.1.64 vs the expected 192.168.1.0 |
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| 03:15.41 | acu | !route |
| 03:15.42 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>. |
| 03:15.44 | chi | let's see if i can make that more readable, dang buffer |
| 03:15.46 | chi | i'm having a netwokring issue with a fresh install of Debian 6.3. netstat -nr shows a Destination IP of 192.168.1.64 vs the expected 192.168.1.0 |
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| 03:16.33 | cockroach | hey, it seems some of my fonts got corrupted (at least in iceweasel, see http://picpaste.com/pics/out.1348884880.png). i tried reinstalling the fonts and clearing any caches that i managed to find - any more ideas? |
| 03:16.47 | acu | chi ^^^ - also - do you have two network cards - or one ? |
| 03:16.55 | chi | acu 2 |
| 03:17.43 | acu | that is one think you need to do - for each you may need to specify a gateway - also, you may have some rogue dhcp serves, or misconfigured servers in your network |
| 03:18.21 | acu | chi: you may have one of the network card misconfigured -go edit ---- nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:18.37 | acu | of course do first an /sbin/ifconfig -v |
| 03:18.43 | chi | I already double checked /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:18.49 | acu | and see exactly what cards are enabled etc |
| 03:19.28 | acu | what /sbin/ifconfig -v tells you ? |
| 03:19.35 | chi | acu also the install DVD put in a .64 ip network |
| 03:19.57 | chi | ip for* netowkr |
| 03:20.04 | chi | omg sorry so many things going on at aonce |
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| 03:20.36 | acu | route -n should give you also some info |
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| 03:21.13 | chi | yes, that is the reason for my question allow me to restate it |
| 03:21.23 | acu | are your cards getting ip from a dhcp server ? |
| 03:21.49 | chi | the destination address I expect route -n to show is 192.168.1.0 but it's giving me 192.168.1.64 |
| 03:21.53 | cockroach | hmm okay, this is a little embarassing, but let's try: on one of my machines i get a fancy graphical window whenever i ssh somewhere, asking for my passphrase and then adding it to the agent. any idea what dark magic is behind that? |
| 03:22.04 | chi | I can't imagine this is normal |
| 03:22.16 | chi | acu, no this is all static |
| 03:22.22 | acu | means that you have a dhcp server enabled innapropriately (I think) |
| 03:22.31 | chi | and yes I am only using eth0 |
| 03:22.40 | chi | there is no DHCP server on this network |
| 03:22.47 | acu | take them down and restart them |
| 03:22.48 | chi | this is a public ip |
| 03:22.54 | acu | ifup eth0 |
| 03:22.58 | chi | i am only using 192.168.1 as an example |
| 03:22.58 | chi | kk |
| 03:23.01 | acu | ifdown eth0 |
| 03:23.06 | acu | ifdown eth1 |
| 03:23.13 | acu | then ifup eth0 |
| 03:23.16 | acu | and see |
| 03:23.20 | chi | eth1 is not configured |
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| 03:23.28 | acu | however, can you ping your network (or other computer) |
| 03:23.40 | chi | no |
| 03:23.52 | acu | !route |
| 03:23.52 | dpkg | To add a static route in Debian, just put "up /sbin/route add -net ...." for the relevant network interface in /etc/network/interfaces . See also <interfaces>. |
| 03:24.18 | chi | you don't have the answer to the one question I asked? |
| 03:25.23 | acu | chi: you have to first diagnose your problem, if there is no diagnosis - there is no treatment - the question just states a situation - you have to figure out where this comes from |
| 03:25.24 | chi | I've never had this issue with other versions of Debian |
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| 03:25.41 | chi | acu, yes |
| 03:25.57 | chi | this is why I asked the previous question |
| 03:26.27 | chi | I have not ever entered a .64 IP anywhere in the install |
| 03:26.36 | acu | I am not magician - I think you missconfigured your card somewhere - specially if you did it for static IP |
| 03:26.58 | chi | yet .64 seems to be the destination IP listed after doing a route -nr |
| 03:27.19 | cockroach | i haven't really been following but did you by any chance enter a wrong netmask? |
| 03:27.24 | chi | there was never an option to configure the network field in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:27.34 | chi | during the install* |
| 03:27.51 | chi | and yet I have this odd .64 ip listed in the network feild of /etc/network/interface |
| 03:28.03 | acu | yes, that is a problem - it is generated somewhere in one of your files |
| 03:28.08 | chi | I have since changed it to .0 like I would excpect it to be |
| 03:28.19 | acu | then you have to restart the network |
| 03:28.24 | acu | service networking restart |
| 03:28.26 | chi | i have rebooted |
| 03:28.29 | chi | same issue |
| 03:28.39 | chi | service network restart seems to kill the eth0 |
| 03:28.47 | chi | and it never comes up again |
| 03:29.00 | cockroach | acu: oh fancy, didn't know about the "service" command. |
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| 03:29.13 | acu | so there is a clear conflict somewhere - paste your /network/interfaces |
| 03:29.54 | blackshirt | chi, is your eth0 managed by network-manager? |
| 03:29.59 | acu | cockroach, yeap :) I used to to /etc/init.d/networking restart and others - now there is service whatever restart - cool :) |
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| 03:30.52 | acu | chi: can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 03:30.54 | cockroach | acu: scary new things everywhere! :) |
| 03:30.54 | acu | !paste |
| 03:30.55 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 03:31.16 | blackshirt | chi, is your eth0 managed by network-manager? |
| 03:31.20 | chi | http://ompldr.org/vZm9pOA |
| 03:31.37 | chi | blackshirt, I really hope not |
| 03:31.44 | chi | i just did a default basic server install |
| 03:31.51 | cockroach | chi: well, as i said, your netmask is weird |
| 03:31.55 | acu | cockroach: yes, the only things what really matters if those new things make us live forever, happy, young, rich, respected, loved, admired - everything else is irrelevant :) |
| 03:32.02 | chi | cockroach, that is the correct netmask |
| 03:32.18 | cockroach | chi: then .64 is correct too. i think. |
| 03:32.19 | chi | blackshirt, no networkmanager running |
| 03:32.31 | chi | cockroach, thanks, that was my question |
| 03:32.32 | blackshirt | chi is your ethernet corrrectly detected ? |
| 03:32.32 | chi | =) |
| 03:32.39 | blackshirt | Chi, okey? |
| 03:32.42 | chi | blackshirt, I can not install ethtool |
| 03:32.42 | blackshirt | okey |
| 03:32.45 | chi | but the link light is up |
| 03:32.55 | cockroach | acu: ah yes, those. lots of those. |
| 03:33.10 | blackshirt | chi,what is your ethernat chipset |
| 03:33.12 | blackshirt | ? |
| 03:33.25 | blackshirt | is your card works before? |
| 03:33.53 | cockroach | chi: heh sorry, guess i wasn't paying enough attention - i'll stop bothering you :) |
| 03:34.30 | chi | e1000e |
| 03:34.45 | chi | yes this hardware works fine with other operating systems |
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| 03:35.30 | chi | cockroach, bothering me? naw you've actually been the most helpful |
| 03:35.31 | chi | =) |
| 03:35.35 | cockroach | :) |
| 03:35.36 | acu | you have to make sure the gateway is right |
| 03:35.42 | chi | the gate way is right |
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| 03:35.48 | acu | what /etc/hosts.conf shows ? |
| 03:35.54 | acu | perhaps another DNS ? |
| 03:36.15 | chi | heh |
| 03:36.25 | superstraw | I can't remember who I spoke to the other day, but isn't there a way to install debian onto my computer from within windows? none of the debian installer cd's work on my laptop, an acer aspire 5516 |
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| 03:37.01 | acu | chi - do you run gnome ? |
| 03:37.16 | chi | what has that got to do with anything? |
| 03:37.19 | chi | this is a headless server |
| 03:37.34 | chi | If you must know I usualy run OpenBSD everywhere with dwm |
| 03:37.37 | acu | if you click on the network connection on the menu bar - you should see network card unmanaged |
| 03:38.19 | cockroach | chi: mind if i jump back in? :) |
| 03:38.25 | chi | plz do |
| 03:38.26 | chi | =) |
| 03:38.30 | acu | chi: you should see what dmsg tells you |
| 03:38.35 | chi | i have looked |
| 03:38.40 | blackshirt | chi, i mean with your system before?your debian box |
| 03:38.43 | acu | also, you can look into logs /var/log - |
| 03:38.57 | acu | and see what's wrong - they will tell you |
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| 03:39.16 | cockroach | chi: okay. could you paste your "netstat -nr" then? if you already did i'm sorry, can't find it in the back log. |
| 03:39.25 | chi | blackshirt, I am unsure how many different operating systems have run on this particular hardware |
| 03:39.53 | blackshirt | chi, what others linux? |
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| 03:40.09 | blackshirt | centos,?redhat? |
| 03:40.11 | cockroach | also the e1000 stuff should work just fine and not require any firmware or anything (at least that's what dpkg just told me) |
| 03:40.35 | chi | http://ompldr.org/vZm9pZA3 |
| 03:41.23 | cockroach | chi: okay, looks reasonable so far. and you said you can't ping the gateway? |
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| 03:42.34 | chi | correct |
| 03:42.56 | chi | and also can not see arp requests form it |
| 03:43.18 | chi | and also can not see arp requests on the network from this server* |
| 03:43.28 | cockroach | i was just about to ask that, damn you :) |
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| 03:44.20 | cockroach | and you said it's a fresh install? |
| 03:44.35 | chi | yes, that's what is tripping me up |
| 03:44.56 | cockroach | i assume dmesg doesn't mention anything weird about your card? |
| 03:45.25 | cockroach | and ifconfig shows it as being UP? |
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| 03:46.31 | chi | yeah it looks fine http://ompldr.org/vZm9pZw |
| 03:47.01 | blackshirt | chi, can you reach your gateway? |
| 03:47.20 | cockroach | and euhm, your cable is in the correct port? :) |
| 03:47.36 | chi | can't ping the gateway |
| 03:47.39 | chi | haha |
| 03:47.40 | chi | yes |
| 03:47.49 | chi | i have verified the port |
| 03:47.53 | blackshirt | chi, thats stupid thing :d |
| 03:47.55 | cockroach | do you see and RX or TX packets in ifconfig? |
| 03:48.37 | cockroach | and/or errors, dropped packets etc |
| 03:48.38 | chi | a bit, http://ompldr.org/vZm9paQ+ |
| 03:48.55 | chi | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.31 | cockroach | hmm only 1 RX packet, that seems a little weird |
| 03:49.42 | acu | chi look at this tutorial - it may help http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/35713/adding-two-default-gateways-in-debian-interfaces-file |
| 03:50.09 | cockroach | what if you run tcpdump, any traffic whatsoever? (i would assume no) |
| 03:52.13 | cockroach | chi: you can also try ping -I eth0 your.gateway, just to make sure that it's not a routing thing |
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| 03:59.11 | acu | chi: I am sure you can bypass the problem by forcing a route - somehow like is suggested in this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/35713/adding-two-default-gateways-in-debian-interfaces-file --- but you have some missconfigured file - /etc/resolv.conf or something |
| 04:00.17 | acu | chi: or the bottom of this -http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup/print |
| 04:00.22 | acu | gottogo |
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| 04:01.30 | CRCinAU | Hai guys. |
| 04:01.55 | CRCinAU | I'm trying to install Debian 6.0.5 via netinstall to a Xen DomU via the netinstall instructions at: http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Debian_Guest_Installation_Using_Debian_Installer#Netboot_installation |
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| 04:02.07 | CRCinAU | however, part way through, I get the following kernel bug: http://pastebin.com/LWtRf5zq |
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| 04:02.24 | CRCinAU | Anyone got any ideas? I'm not a debian person - but it seems like a problem with the debian kernel? |
| 04:02.41 | chi | I give up and am just going to use an older version of Debian |
| 04:02.57 | cockroach | chi: doesn't ping -I do anything? |
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| 04:04.45 | chi | thanks for trying guys =) |
| 04:04.49 | chi | I already started it |
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| 04:06.13 | chi | also |
| 04:06.14 | chi | lol |
| 04:06.18 | chi | I just figured out the issue |
| 04:06.19 | chi | =X |
| 04:06.43 | chi | since it's a supermicro X9SCM-F mobo |
| 04:06.52 | chi | the nics get reversed |
| 04:07.05 | chi | hangs his head in shame |
| 04:07.58 | cockroach | ha! |
| 04:08.05 | chi | sorry guys, thanks for the assistance though \o/ |
| 04:08.09 | cockroach | "and euhm, your cable is in the correct port? :)" |
| 04:08.22 | allure | not sure if its the right place to ask, but does anyone know some sort of software to make video lessons/presentations solution that has the slides or the screen on one site and the video input (webcam, normal cam) on the other at the same time? could be linux app or webapp...... |
| 04:08.26 | cockroach | you're welcome, it was fun :) |
| 04:08.34 | chi | =XXX |
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| 04:09.23 | blackshirt | chi,i are you using selinux,or similar tool? |
| 04:10.36 | chi | no |
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| 04:12.22 | cockroach | chi: now the more pressing issue. your screenshots indicate that you are either not using debian as your desktop or, if you are, there's something weird going on with your theme. explain yourself! |
| 04:12.49 | chi | I'm using funtoo at the moment with dwm |
| 04:13.01 | chi | then VirtualBox with Windows something or other |
| 04:13.05 | cockroach | oh, funtoo! is that any good? |
| 04:13.12 | chi | just for that machine because IPMI was not working correctly from linux |
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| 04:14.01 | cockroach | gah. guess who has ALT-F4 mapped to close his window... |
| 04:14.16 | chi | doh! |
| 04:14.31 | cockroach | and ctrl-Fx to switch between workspaces :) |
| 04:15.20 | chi | alt-fx here |
| 04:15.23 | chi | =P |
| 04:15.27 | cockroach | heh |
| 04:15.38 | chi | whhich is annoyying while in windows |
| 04:15.55 | cockroach | EVERYTHING is annoying while in windows. imho. |
| 04:16.01 | chi | ^ |
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| 04:33.14 | GoonSquad | Hello |
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| 04:33.58 | qak | any particular resources people would recommend for debian on laptops? |
| 04:35.12 | cockroach | qak: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/ |
| 04:35.22 | qak | cockroach: :) |
| 04:35.44 | cockroach | qak: or are you looking for anything in specific? |
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| 04:36.44 | qak | cockroach: running the installer now of 6.05 netinst, waiting for "challenges" ... |
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| 04:41.32 | Mohsen_Hassani | What's the codename of Debian 6? |
| 04:41.53 | cockroach | !codename |
| 04:41.53 | dpkg | Debian release codenames are buzz (1.1), rex (1.2), bo (1.3), hamm (2.0), slink (2.1), potato (2.2), woody (3.0), sarge (3.1), etch (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (6.0), wheezy (7.0)=Testing and sid=Unstable. "lsb_release -sc" (lsb-release package) will display a Debian system's codename. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives#s-codenames |
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| 04:43.15 | chi | cockroach, http://ompldr.org/vZm9qYQ =P |
| 04:43.53 | cockroach | chi: oh wow, that looks scary :) |
| 04:44.29 | chi | just wanted to clear my name of the whole windows dealy |
| 04:44.32 | chi | lol |
| 04:44.37 | chi | anyway thanks again for the assistance |
| 04:44.39 | cockroach | chi: and you did! |
| 04:44.40 | chi | heads out |
| 04:44.44 | chi | haha |
| 04:45.02 | cockroach | you're welcome, and good luck with your network :) |
| 04:45.07 | chi | thanks =) |
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| 04:45.34 | simonlnu | Mohsen_Hassani: wheezy, and see the bot's response above |
| 04:46.00 | Mohsen_Hassani | simonlnu, cockroach, Thanks! |
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| 04:48.44 | cockroach | okay i'm getting a little paranoid here: it seems that my fonts get corrupted randomly (see http://picpaste.com/pics/out.1348884880.png). restarting an affected application seems to 'fix' the problem, except that typically some other font (size) will have corruptions. |
| 04:49.07 | cockroach | does anyone happen to have a better explanation than dark magic? |
| 04:49.29 | simonlnu | try rebuilding your and the system font cache (fc-cache -vf run as user and as root) |
| 04:49.38 | cockroach | ok, let me try |
| 04:49.56 | cockroach | i think i already did that as user, but probably not as root |
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| 04:51.12 | simonlnu | and it's not dark magic, it's font magic :P |
| 04:51.37 | cockroach | simonlnu: still happens though :/ |
| 04:51.37 | hesco1 | I am building a sed pipe to transform a tab separated values file into a csv file, I've tried: sed "s/\ */','/g", sed "s/\t*/','/g" sed "s/\ ?/','/g" sed "s/\t?/','/g" and probably a few other variations but nothing seems to work here. Can anyone advise me what I'm missing or perhaps a more appropriate channel for this question? |
| 04:51.57 | simonlnu | i'm passing out here. been up since 6 , and slept 4 hours. damn, good luck with that. |
| 04:52.00 | cockroach | simonlnu: but i can't see it in firefox anymore atm, just in libreoffice. maybe that thing has its own font cache somewhere |
| 04:52.09 | hesco1 | I've also tried to match the spaces with \s? and \s* |
| 04:52.10 | cockroach | heh, thanks, and have a good night! |
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| 04:52.12 | simonlnu | possibly |
| 04:52.21 | simonlnu | thank you |
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| 04:55.32 | cockroach | hah, removing my .config/libreoffice seems to have fixed it for now. cache THAT. |
| 04:56.08 | cockroach | ... and now my iceweasel fonts are corrupted again. *sigh* |
| 04:56.36 | cockroach | guess i'll be back tomorrow |
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| 05:32.35 | bullgard4 | Synaptic: "Xmms2 provides a flexible media library that you can use to organize your music." Is this library as powerful as Banshee's? |
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| 05:38.36 | xcess | hi, how can i ensure that my .Xresources settings are loaded automcaticlly in X session ? i am using slim to start awesome session. Opening xterm from awesome shows default settings. Using xrdb -query -all shows correct settings. |
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| 05:55.45 | tuv | how can i tell which program is consuming my network bandwidth? iftop doesn't show programs. netstat doesn't show bandwidth usage |
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| 05:56.23 | acu | hey guys - I have some incredible and stupid question - if I have not a local DNS but I still create a two websites on a apache webserver how would I access the second website (I created a configuration file in /etc/apache2/sites-available and a2ensite) but how can now access the second website (the default comes by typing url localhost or IP address - but how can I access the second site ? |
| 05:57.34 | dax | assuming it's on localhost, add "127.0.0.1 othersitehostname.example.com" to your /etc/hosts |
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| 05:58.06 | dario | tuv: nethogs |
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| 06:00.19 | acu | dax: then how do I access it ? |
| 06:00.36 | dax | by visiting othersitehostname.example.com in your web browser |
| 06:00.52 | dax | (obviously, you'd replace othersitehostname.example.com with the actual hostname) |
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| 06:02.26 | acu | dax so in /etc/hosts I have a line 127.0.0.1 localhost --- then I just add let's say moodle - then restart the network and the apache webserver and type at the url moodle ? |
| 06:02.44 | dax | you shouldn't need to restart anything, I think. but yes. |
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| 06:03.27 | blubberdiblub | you should probably stress again that this only works if the browser and the server is on the same host |
| 06:03.41 | joyindescribable | hi, i'm using squeeze and i'm trying to use an android phone to connect to the internet using USB tethering, but i'm having trouble getting the phone to show up |
| 06:04.01 | joyindescribable | there's no 'usb' folder or devices in /dev/. i know the device is connecting and being registered from dmesg |
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| 06:08.02 | joyindescribable | the dmesg output https://www.privatepaste.com/80f55fbc89/82nefh2igsss |
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| 06:08.36 | joyindescribable | when i compare that output to http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=48309 it looks like cdc_ether isn't doing anything and it looks like rndis isn't registering the device? |
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| 06:09.32 | joyindescribable | as i said, there's absolutely nothing in /dev with the word 'usb' in it, but it does pop up as /dev/bus/usb/003/029 |
| 06:09.41 | blubberdiblub | joyindescribable, does "ifconfig -a" show the nic? |
| 06:10.06 | joyindescribable | [swearing removed]. yeah, it does. |
| 06:10.07 | joyindescribable | sigh, thanks. |
| 06:10.24 | joyindescribable | can i ask why it doesn't show up as /dev/usb0 or whatever? |
| 06:10.57 | blubberdiblub | for me, nothing shows up as /dev/usb0. different usb device classes show up differently |
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| 06:13.15 | blubberdiblub | there's /dev/usb/* here, but there are only hid class devices inside there |
| 06:13.27 | blubberdiblub | i.e. keyboard and mouse |
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| 06:17.13 | KsM | I get these in dmesg when I close the lid on my laptop or remove the charger: http://paste.debian.net/194168/ |
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| 06:19.49 | KsM | the acpi error appraretly leads to the graphics crashing sometimes, atkbd is just something I also want to deal with I guess |
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| 06:36.04 | aLeSD_ | hi all |
| 06:36.38 | aLeSD_ | if I put a task in the crontab that has to be executed every 5 min .... and the task takes 10 minutes ... what happend ? |
| 06:36.43 | aLeSD_ | DOS attack ? |
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| 06:48.57 | bullgard4 | Synaptic: "Xmms2 provides a flexible media library that you can use to organize your music." Is this library as powerful as Banshee's? |
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| 07:06.54 | julius_ | ah vgscan && vgchange -a y vgpool i love linux |
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| 07:09.10 | Ghormoon | Hi guys, I'm here again :D this time I'm trying to start exim4 but it fails because I don't have ipv6 on that machine ... is there any simple way to tell it to don't use it? I've removed ::1 from config, but that doesn't help :( |
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| 07:13.34 | Ghormoon | ha, it started now, but it doesn't reply anyway :( I've messed up something ^^ |
| 07:17.22 | Ghormoon | now the process died :( |
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| 07:19.50 | grondilu | anyone using clive, get-flash-videos or youtube-dl to download youtube videos? Since recently, none of them works :( |
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| 07:29.02 | Ghormoon | what should i set on exim4 to handle all mail? It sends me 550 relay not permitted :( |
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| 07:36.37 | J4M | build error when building samba4 RC http://pastebin.com/xr6cYtkz |
| 07:36.48 | J4M | I'm not a regular debian user, so I'm unsure what to make of it |
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| 07:38.08 | J4M | oh, it thinks it's using sh when it's using dash |
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| 08:18.48 | guest7777 | is xfce 4.10 in testing/unstable ? |
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| 08:19.48 | tzarc | my sid has 4.8, but I haven't updated in a while |
| 08:20.05 | dax | guest7777: no. it's in experimental. |
| 08:20.12 | dax | predictably, experimental is experimental |
| 08:20.20 | dax | (and thus not something I'd use, personally) |
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| 08:51.35 | _KaszpiR_ | hi, quick question, how to install from console package in another language, I'm interesting in getting Linux HOWTO in another language than english |
| 08:53.52 | _KaszpiR_ | ah found it |
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| 09:26.58 | FilipeMaia | Hi. I have a really strange problem. When I start nrpe from a script several of the plugins don't work |
| 09:27.10 | FilipeMaia | when I start it from the command line it does work |
| 09:27.10 | FilipeMaia | same exact command |
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| 09:41.55 | v4nelle | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.01 | v4nelle | sorry |
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| 09:53.05 | heikki_ | hello, need to install dovecot-sieve, but there is no such package, how to proceed? |
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| 09:53.28 | heikki_ | debian 6.0.5 |
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| 09:56.17 | nkuttler | ,v dovecot-sieve |
| 09:56.18 | judd | Package: dovecot-sieve on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 1:2.1.7-2~bpo60+1; sid: 1:2.1.7-2; wheezy: 1:2.1.7-2 |
| 09:56.36 | nkuttler | !tell heikki_ about backports |
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| 09:57.37 | heikki_ | is it compatible with non-backport dovecot? |
| 09:57.58 | heikki_ | or should i install dovecot from backports also? |
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| 10:04.20 | nkuttler | heikki_: i'd guess so, but no idea |
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| 10:09.57 | heikki_ | o'ou, how do i tell apt-get or something to do the installation completely again? Replacing the config files? |
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| 10:10.08 | heikki_ | i didn't chose to replace them, and now they are incompatible |
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| 10:10.23 | heikki_ | dovecot-common |
| 10:10.33 | heikki_ | dovecot-core, i mean |
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| 10:12.28 | nkuttler | heikki_: that shouldn't happen.. |
| 10:12.33 | heikki_ | ? |
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| 10:12.45 | nkuttler | config files don't get overwritten, usually |
| 10:12.48 | heikki_ | i NEED to replace the old config files with the default new ones |
| 10:12.53 | nkuttler | ah |
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| 10:12.55 | heikki_ | because the old ones are incompatible |
| 10:12.57 | nkuttler | !tell heikki_ about confmiss |
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| 10:16.40 | heikki_ | that didn't help, |
| 10:16.45 | nsadmin | back up the old ones, maybe you would apply some aspects of them to the new ones to effect similar functionality... this is only important if you had changed them |
| 10:16.53 | heikki_ | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
| 10:16.57 | heikki_ | it says |
| 10:17.03 | heikki_ | i have backups |
| 10:18.02 | nsadmin | heikki_, see if there are examples in /usr/share/doc/dovecot |
| 10:18.11 | nsadmin | is dovecot the package name? |
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| 10:19.43 | nsadmin | heikki_, and could you show the exact command line you used? given not seeing it, there's no way to evaluate anything |
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| 10:22.56 | nsadmin | if you want to do the installation completely, make sure there's no mail for everyone (and/or back it up), purge the package (not remove) then reinstall. that will take EVERYTHING away, and completely replace it |
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| 10:33.53 | heikki_ | ok, it was a BIG mistake to use backports |
| 10:33.56 | heikki_ | how do i revert back? |
| 10:33.58 | heikki_ | ucfr: Attempt from package dovecot-common to take /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf away from package dovecot-core |
| 10:34.01 | heikki_ | ucfr: Aborting. |
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| 10:34.25 | heikki_ | i have uninstalled dovecot-core which is from backports |
| 10:35.35 | heikki_ | ahnd trying to install backports-common from non-backports |
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| 10:37.13 | daemonkeeper | Why would you do that? |
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| 10:56.31 | Pinearl | Hello, I am trying to track down a bug/undesirable behaviour regarding the compose key and external keyboards, running testing + xfce. |
| 10:56.51 | Pinearl | When I insert an external keyboard, the compose key set with setxkbmap no longer takes effect, until I re-run the command |
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| 10:57.47 | Pinearl | any ideas on what systems might be involved here, and whereabouts to poke around? I have setxkbmap running in my startup apps in XFCE, but clearly this is not sufficient when plugging/unplugging external devices. |
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| 11:02.00 | tremon | Pinearl: xkbmap is set on the input device itself, not the X input layer |
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| 11:02.14 | tremon | you get the same behaviour if you unplug and replug the same keyboard |
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| 11:03.06 | Pinearl | yes, this is what I am doing - just cycling the USB plug. My only current solution is to poll udev by a bash script every blah seconds, but this (1) not implemented (2) a major hack. |
| 11:03.25 | Pinearl | there must be a better way. |
| 11:03.47 | tremon | you need to use event hooks to apply the xkbmap to new devices, at least there used to be hooks for that |
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| 11:04.09 | Pinearl | do you know which system the hooks are in - is it the udev rules? |
| 11:04.12 | tremon | I'd try asking #xorg (guessing the name here) |
| 11:04.32 | tremon | udev rules run outside of X, so doing it there won't help |
| 11:04.53 | Coweater | Pinearl: i would consider adding a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, look at the basic configuration here http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/xorg-docs/input/XKB-Config.html they list a comparable setxkbmap command as well |
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| 11:07.06 | Coweater | probably the second part of the basic configuration section is applicable since you don't need to change the layout presumably |
| 11:07.24 | Pinearl | thanks, I'm trying it now |
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| 11:22.04 | Pinearl | Thanks Coweater/tremon, the X11 conf file works. |
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| 11:38.33 | bullgard4 | What is the name of the configuration file of xterm where I can set "Meta Sends Escape" persistently? |
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| 11:42.03 | dario | bullgard4: i would guess .Xresources, but don't ask me what to put in there |
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| 11:43.41 | ronny | hi |
| 11:43.58 | ronny | again - is there any way to get a glibc 2.15 on debian? |
| 11:45.32 | tremon | ,v libc6 |
| 11:45.33 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- lenny: 2.7-18lenny7; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny7; squeeze: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-updates: 2.11.3-3; squeeze-proposed-updates: 2.11.3-4; sid: 2.13-35; wheezy: 2.13-35 |
| 11:45.46 | tremon | ronny: no |
| 11:46.23 | ronny | hmm |
| 11:46.45 | ronny | then i'll have to run 5 hour long builds from now on :/ |
| 11:47.17 | tremon | !tell ronny about uupdate |
| 11:47.51 | tremon | but you should not use that method to upgrade libc6, you'll break your system |
| 11:48.07 | tremon | (possibly) |
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| 11:48.37 | tremon | if you really need to, get a sid chroot and try it in there |
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| 11:49.30 | ronny | tremon: is there a howto for testing it? |
| 11:49.37 | ronny | (with a chroot) |
| 11:50.42 | tremon | not that I know of, but basic chroot instructions are in the reference manual |
| 11:50.43 | boulet101010 | ronny: do you want to run direct rendering app into the chroot? |
| 11:50.56 | tremon | !tell ronny about chroot |
| 11:50.58 | ronny | boulet101010: nop |
| 11:51.19 | boulet101010 | ok, so it should be quite easy |
| 11:51.34 | boulet101010 | just deboostart sid /target |
| 11:51.39 | ronny | boulet101010: i just need an env to run a binary that was compiled on a ubuntu box and takes 5 hours to build on my box |
| 11:51.48 | boulet101010 | s/start/strap/ |
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| 11:52.30 | heikki_ | ok, i got dovecot old version back |
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| 11:52.53 | tremon | ronny: also, http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 11:53.00 | heikki_ | but the problemm not is, i don't get any error messages, but the mail isn't coming in anymore, out from the server goes ok |
| 11:53.16 | heikki_ | problem not -> problem now |
| 11:53.43 | heikki_ | postfix problem? |
| 11:53.57 | heikki_ | imho i didn't change anything in postfix |
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| 11:54.41 | heikki_ | and telneting to the host smtp port is ok untill the command DATA and then returns, nothing comes |
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| 11:55.27 | boulet101010 | i'm trying to get direct rendering in a sid chroot, but the nvidia driver version conflicts with the one that's loaded by the host system. is there a way to use the stable drivers with the chroot apps? |
| 11:55.30 | tremon | heikki_: is postfix' mailq empty? |
| 11:55.42 | heikki_ | tremon: how do i check it |
| 11:56.16 | tremon | run mailq |
| 11:56.34 | heikki_ | lots of things there, temporary failure |
| 11:56.55 | tremon | then that's why your messages aren't arriving, postfix can't deliver them |
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| 11:57.53 | tremon | you need to look through the mail logs to find the exact error, perhaps the older dovecot rejects some arguments |
| 11:58.33 | boulet101010 | I tryed to install the same package as in the stable host, but when i install x apps, they require to upgrade the drivers. |
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| 11:59.11 | heikki_ | tremon: i can't see anything in the error logs, mail.err or syslog |
| 11:59.24 | bullgard4 | dario: Yes. But I need to know the syntax that .Xresources needs. |
| 12:00.27 | tremon | well, that's about as far as my postfix knowledge goes. If there's nothing in the logs, I wouldn't know where to look |
| 12:00.53 | heikki_ | Sep 29 14:48:39 s1 postfix[9014]: fatal: usage: postfix [-c config_dir] [-Dv] command |
| 12:01.00 | heikki_ | found that |
| 12:01.49 | heikki_ | fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
| 12:02.43 | tremon | hmm, I was hoping you would find the exact command that failed, not just the error message |
| 12:03.00 | tremon | those are seem to be postfix internal errors, nothing to do with dovecot |
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| 12:05.33 | nsadmin | bullgard4, so probably (makes sense, right?) you need the document that details the format |
| 12:06.18 | heikki_ | warning: SASL: Connect to private/auth failed: No such file or directory |
| 12:06.35 | heikki_ | but i have the filwe |
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| 12:21.08 | saedelaere | hi, I try top copy a file on my debian server that is located on a webdav mount. I mounted with mount -t davfs -o rw ... |
| 12:21.17 | saedelaere | I can see the files there end the size is correct |
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| 12:21.37 | saedelaere | but when I try to copy a file with cp or rsync the target file has 0 bytes |
| 12:22.09 | saedelaere | not very familiar with webdav, does anyone know what I am doing wrong here? |
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| 12:26.43 | boudiccas | i've just rebooted into xfce on wheezy and the hated message logger is back in the status bar, how do i remove it please or stop it from operating? every time i get a new email, or a volume is automounted, it shows its output in a popup and also in the message logger, which i dont want |
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| 12:30.37 | z_marco | PapaSierra: Which OS are you running? Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 12:31.18 | PapaSierra | ubuntu actually. but i'm using dotdeb repository |
| 12:31.35 | z_marco | dju: Forget NFS for now, are you able to either ping or traceroute the host in question? If yes, you should be able to check the mounts with the command "showmount". |
| 12:31.48 | boudiccas | PapaSierra, neither of which are supported here, please ask your questions in #ubuntu |
| 12:31.57 | z_marco | PapaSierra: I suggest to post your question in the channel #ubuntu |
| 12:32.20 | PapaSierra | right |
| 12:32.34 | dju` | z_marco: mounting the NFS share by hand works well. I'd like to automate the mount when connecting to this network and not others |
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| 12:33.20 | z_marco | dju`: By implying "automate", do you mean you want it to be mounted automatically onboot? |
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| 12:33.40 | dju` | z_marco: not on boot but on connecting to the network |
| 12:33.55 | dju` | probably using a self-made if-up.d script |
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| 12:34.44 | dju` | for a wireless network I could use the SSID but for an Ethernet connection I don't know how I could do that |
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| 12:36.37 | z_marco | dju`: Once you have mounted the NFS share manually, it should be present at all times. The share is either available or not available. |
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| 12:49.08 | z_marco | dju`: I think I finally understand your question. Yes, it is possible to use if-up.d with a script. There are plenty of examples online. (i.e. |
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| 12:52.16 | trotro | hi, I just installed debian on a macbook, but the bootloader was not correctly setup |
| 12:52.25 | trotro | my computer don't find a bootable hardrive |
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| 12:52.32 | trotro | how can I correct that manually ? |
| 12:53.03 | daemonkeeper | Boot from CD/DVD/USB and follow rescue procedures. |
| 12:53.26 | z_marco | trotro: Did you install Debian dual boot? |
| 12:54.19 | trotro | z_marco, no, i gave it all my computer |
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| 12:56.32 | z_marco | trotro: I suggest daemonkeeper's advise to boot from CD/DVD and go into rescue mode. Or you can use a supergrub rescuecd to correct your problem. |
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| 12:58.06 | asciiker | hello all, can a broken BIND stop the network from being unavailable after boot? this is a remote server and it's IP is not responding, I have to use Rescue Live CD |
| 12:58.39 | trotro | I just boot from the CD, select rescue mode, setup the grub but, I thionk that the procedure failed to mark the bootable flag |
| 12:58.49 | trotro | My computer still don't detect my harddrive for boot |
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| 13:04.05 | z_marco | trotro: quite honestly, I fear the tutorial in order to fix your problem is quite lengthy. Check if you /boot partition has a bootable flag with fdisk. In order to do so you need to boot with a rescue cd, check fdisk, mount your paritions, chroot if necessary to check your grub. |
| 13:04.46 | trotro | z_marco, i just find fdisk and set the bootable flag, it didn't solve my problem |
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| 13:05.27 | z_marco | trotro: then you will have to boot with a rescue cd and chroot to check your grub. |
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| 13:06.01 | trotro | z_marco, i just realize that debian use the guid partition table |
| 13:06.05 | trotro | so fdisk is obsolete |
| 13:06.10 | trotro | (CENSORED) |
| 13:06.35 | asciiker | anyone? I have made some modifications to bind, rebooted and server is not responding by IP, no network, no SSH, nothing at all, when I boot thru Rescue CD then networking works. |
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| 13:09.01 | trotro | z_marco, is there a way to reinstall debian using the old scheme partition table (fdisk, mbr and co) |
| 13:09.11 | z_marco | trotro: fdisk is not obsolete. I suspect your grub isn't configured correctly. |
| 13:09.12 | trotro | i think that my computer don't undersatnd that new kind of concept |
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| 13:09.26 | trotro | z_marco, it's GTP guid partition table |
| 13:09.37 | trotro | fdisk said to me that it is obsolete for that |
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| 13:10.10 | boudiccas | trotro, i think the main problem is that you're using a macbook |
| 13:10.44 | z_marco | trotro: sure you can try and reinstall debian. Personally I partition grub in a seperate partion and make it bootable. I don't use lvm. But there are many ways to configure your installation. |
| 13:11.01 | trotro | boudiccas, maybe you're a genius |
| 13:11.22 | trotro | z_marco, how can i say to debian to use the old system for partition ? |
| 13:11.33 | trotro | must I partiition myself with fdisk ? |
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| 13:15.16 | z_marco | trotro: I don't want to mess up your installation. Personally I would make a CD with rescuecd (www.sysresccd.org). I would boot from that, mount my partitions, create an environment with chroot and check grub. |
| 13:16.52 | trotro | z_marco, if i use the command chroot to install linux it will only for lfs |
| 13:16.59 | trotro | :) |
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| 13:17.31 | asciiker | does /var/log/syslog show the boot log messages? I don't seem to find anything on the var/log/boot file |
| 13:17.34 | trotro | maybe I will go back to ubuntu (taht things can handle my keyboard and mark my partition bootable for my computer :D) |
| 13:17.39 | trotro | but thank for your help |
| 13:18.42 | z_marco | trotro: I don't use chroot for installation purposes. I use chroot to test or rescue an environment after installation. |
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| 13:19.26 | trotro | z_marco, it's not my installation, or my root system wich is broke |
| 13:19.38 | trotro | it's just debian don't know how to make my computer bootable |
| 13:19.47 | trotro | (ubuntu got many difficulties but it succeed) |
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| 13:20.49 | trotro | today, i never see a linux capable of boot correctly my computer |
| 13:21.02 | z_marco | trotro: I agree, I don't believe it's your installation either, I suspect it's your grub. In order to check grub I advised to use a rescue cd, mount your partitions and proceed with chroot. |
| 13:21.40 | trotro | it's not grub |
| 13:21.43 | trotro | it's before that |
| 13:22.04 | trotro | when i boot my computer I keep the alt key pressed and my computer list all my bootable drives |
| 13:22.16 | trotro | but it don't list my harddrive |
| 13:22.30 | trotro | there is something magic to do that debian doesqn't know |
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| 13:22.51 | trotro | it's a magic missing flag somewhere |
| 13:23.23 | z_marco | trotro: the "alt" key works well if you have bootcamp or reefit. |
| 13:23.40 | trotro | i have no more mac os x OS |
| 13:23.43 | trotro | i lost my cd |
| 13:23.58 | trotro | i'm with ubuntu for years |
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| 13:24.54 | z_marco | trotro: that's where apple show it's shortcomings, the fact that their bios can't be configured. You have to resort to third party software to tell it where to boot to. |
| 13:25.10 | trotro | bios ? |
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| 13:25.17 | trotro | there is no bios on mac |
| 13:25.20 | boudiccas | trotro, i was not being sarcastic, unlike you, but i was merely suggesting that the macbook has a differetn architecture from pc's, and it requires diferetn setup skills |
| 13:25.21 | trotro | there is something else :) |
| 13:25.45 | trotro | boudiccas, yes, but i'm dissapointed by debian, it's look like it's only for PC |
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| 13:26.00 | trotro | (there was no freanch apple keyboard) |
| 13:26.21 | boudiccas | trotro, if you google for it you may find a tutorial showing how to set up debian on a macbook |
| 13:26.55 | z_marco | trotro: you are mistaken. Debian supports all kinds of architectures. Yes, apple has a bios, but it's not accessible, you see an apple logo instead. |
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| 13:27.56 | trotro | z_marco, when installing it didn't offer french apple keyboard (it's not what i call support many architectures) |
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| 13:28.16 | trotro | boudiccas, i will one day, because debian seems faster than ubuntu |
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| 13:28.41 | trotro | but do something complex and i still don't know if it'll can use my wifi card |
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| 13:28.52 | trotro | it will cost so many time |
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| 13:33.11 | Night-hacks | when i do "lsof -i someport" in the name part i see just localhost |
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| 13:33.32 | z_marco | trotro: I agree, it takes quite some time to get to know linux. I believe it's an OS that users have to adapt too, and not the other way around where an OS has to adapt to a user. But you learn a lot. |
| 13:33.46 | Night-hacks | can it be a reason that i cant connect to this port via LAN ? |
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| 13:34.46 | trotro | z_marco, I know linux, but linux don't know my hardware :) |
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| 13:36.57 | Night-hacks | any idea on my problem ? |
| 13:38.26 | cwillu | Night-hacks, that's what it means, yes |
| 13:38.54 | cwillu | listening on localhost means it's not listening on any network adapters |
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| 13:39.30 | cwillu | (or rather, it's not listening on any of the configured addresses) |
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| 13:39.39 | Night-hacks | cwillu: changing it for listening for network adaptors, should be done in it's codes or it has linux trip ? |
| 13:39.57 | cwillu | boggles a bit |
| 13:40.22 | cwillu | it's up to the program, and it probably has a configuration option |
| 13:40.32 | cwillu | but I don't know what program you're talking about, so I can't comment beyond that |
| 13:40.47 | Night-hacks | cwillu: it's seagull traffic generator |
| 13:41.25 | bullgard4 | Where is the syntax described for entries in .Xresources? |
| 13:41.48 | cwillu | Night-hacks, well, thoroughly read http://gull.sourceforge.net/doc/core.html |
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| 13:42.49 | Night-hacks | cwillu: thanks for help |
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| 14:00.21 | ralu1 | hi |
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| 14:06.19 | ralu1 | i am trying to compile some libs for usb security token on my machine and in man sais that i need to ./configure with CFLAGS=”-m32” but on my x64 i got error that "checking whether the C compiler works... no" |
| 14:06.33 | ralu1 | is there pack that i am missing? |
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| 14:07.19 | ompaul | ralu1: what does the "installed" line say for >> apt-cache policy build-essential |
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| 14:08.32 | ralu1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.33 | ralu1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:08.53 | ralu1 | it works without that extra flag |
| 14:09.02 | ompaul | !mint |
| 14:09.02 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 14:09.09 | ralu1 | but then i cant setup frreaking binary packege |
| 14:09.13 | ompaul | also I asked beside "installed" |
| 14:09.20 | ompaul | not interesting in that |
| 14:09.31 | ralu1 | ok |
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| 14:12.52 | tables | what file should i edit to edit the gnome setup on default netinst debian? |
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| 14:14.34 | ompaul | tables: that question has so many open ends on both sides in terms of assumptions and effects would you like to add more details |
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| 14:20.10 | bullgard4 | Where is the syntax described for entries in .Xresources? |
| 14:20.53 | jrm-rnl | Topic needs updating: http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120929 |
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| 14:22.43 | mrdeb | hi, did debian just update kernel and packages |
| 14:23.10 | jrm-rnl | stable just got a new maintenance release |
| 14:23.27 | ompaul | babilen: ^^ can you |
| 14:23.27 | jrm-rnl | http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120929 |
| 14:24.00 | jrm-rnl | mrdeb: or are you talking about wheezy? |
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| 14:26.34 | mrdeb | yes jrm |
| 14:26.40 | mrdeb | debian 6 |
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| 14:27.21 | jrm-rnl | mrdeb: is something wrong, then? |
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| 14:29.44 | mrdeb | no there is not , but this is a big update and i am on slow connection, so it s exciting. |
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| 14:30.04 | mrdeb | waht does wheezy mean |
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| 14:30.36 | ompaul | mrdeb: not stable |
| 14:30.45 | boudiccas | mrdeb, its the testing branch of debian that is being readied for release as Debian 7 aka Wheezy |
| 14:30.47 | mrdeb | no i mean the name |
| 14:30.47 | ompaul | mrdeb: it will be the next relase name |
| 14:30.50 | mrdeb | who is wheezy |
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| 14:31.00 | mrdeb | i dont undersand |
| 14:31.27 | ompaul | clue, woody, potato, etch, squeeze, and many more |
| 14:31.36 | jrm-rnl | mrdeb: Toy Story character |
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| 14:31.43 | boudiccas | mrdeb, wheezy is one of the characters in @Toy Story', where all the debian release names come from |
| 14:31.48 | ompaul | calls jrm-rnl no fun |
| 14:31.55 | mrdeb | why |
| 14:32.01 | jrm-rnl | because |
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| 14:32.07 | ompaul | pick something from the universe |
| 14:32.37 | mrdeb | i likenumbers better |
| 14:32.48 | ompaul | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 14:32.49 | jrm-rnl | you have those, too |
| 14:33.02 | ompaul | mrdeb: ^^ please look there |
| 14:33.11 | jrm-rnl | squeeze is 6.0, wheezy is 7.0 |
| 14:33.24 | ompaul | wheezy will be 7.0 when released |
| 14:33.25 | mrdeb | what if u run out of names |
| 14:33.28 | mrdeb | ?? |
| 14:33.35 | ompaul | omg there are no words left |
| 14:33.39 | boudiccas | !u |
| 14:33.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:33.52 | ompaul | babilen: thanks |
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| 14:34.12 | jrm-rnl | nice trigger |
| 14:34.16 | *** topic/#debian by babilen -> squeeze (6.0.6) released; /msg dpkg squeeze | jessie will be wheezy+1 | lenny EOL 2012-02-06; /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze | wheezy frozen; /msg dpkg freeze | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | wheezy/sid: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | FAQ: http://deb.li/IRCFAQ | channel logs: http://deb.li/yQXC |
| 14:34.23 | babilen | ompaul: np |
| 14:34.31 | babilen | ta! |
| 14:34.32 | jrm-rnl | I read it as "NO U" |
| 14:34.57 | mrdeb | when is support over for deb 6 |
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| 14:35.08 | nyuszika7h | 6.0.6? :O |
| 14:35.08 | ompaul | mrdeb: did you read that page? |
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| 14:36.07 | mrdeb | no i cant |
| 14:36.29 | boudiccas | mrdeb, you're becoming tiresome, please stop trolling |
| 14:36.41 | nyuszika7h | tell me one thing |
| 14:36.48 | nyuszika7h | how did my system magically upgrade from 6.0.5 to 6.0.6 |
| 14:36.50 | nyuszika7h | without reboot |
| 14:37.06 | jrm-rnl | what are you, a Windows user? :P |
| 14:37.08 | mrdeb | what |
| 14:37.09 | nyuszika7h | no |
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| 14:37.31 | mrdeb | nyus, it jus updated. i had big update today too |
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| 14:39.14 | jrm-rnl | nyuszika7h: every file that needed to be changed has changed, but some of the old versions of those files are still on your system's memory and being used, because you can't change a running process's code like that |
| 14:39.24 | nyuszika7h | oh |
| 14:40.14 | ompaul | nyuszika7h: if you upgraded your kernel to get the latest one into ram you need to restart |
| 14:40.23 | nyuszika7h | nah, I already have 3.5 from linode |
| 14:40.34 | nyuszika7h | thanks dpkg for this: |
| 14:40.37 | nyuszika7h | dpkg: warning: while removing node, directory '/usr/local/share/man/man1' not empty so not removed |
| 14:40.37 | dpkg | nyuszika7h: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 14:40.45 | nyuszika7h | dpkg: warning: while removing node, directory '/usr/local/include' not empty so not removed |
| 14:40.45 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, nyuszika7h |
| 14:40.48 | nyuszika7h | dpkg: warning: while removing node, directory '/usr/local/bin' not empty so not removed |
| 14:40.48 | dpkg | You are person #3 to send an unparseable request, nyuszika7h |
| 14:40.50 | nyuszika7h | lol |
| 14:40.51 | nyuszika7h | uh |
| 14:40.53 | jrm-rnl | except for low level programs, in particular the kernel, you can get the newest versions simply by restarting the program |
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| 14:41.34 | ompaul | nyuszika7h: please put a word in front of dpkg it is the channel bot |
| 14:41.45 | nyuszika7h | ok, sorry |
| 14:41.49 | nyuszika7h | and I know it's a bot |
| 14:41.54 | mrdeb | is debian 7 using gnome 3 |
| 14:41.59 | nyuszika7h | I think so |
| 14:42.07 | mrdeb | ok |
| 14:42.08 | ompaul | but hey you might know that now also ... don't paste in channel use paste.debian.net |
| 14:42.18 | jrm-rnl | mrdeb: not by default anymore |
| 14:42.20 | nyuszika7h | sorry |
| 14:42.23 | mrdeb | so it will be upgrade until gnome 4 |
| 14:42.27 | nyuszika7h | wait, GNOME 4? |
| 14:42.29 | mrdeb | ok |
| 14:42.32 | nyuszika7h | what did I miss?! |
| 14:42.35 | jrm-rnl | mrdeb: the default DE is now xfce IIRC |
| 14:42.49 | mrdeb | yes i mean so it will not be old in debian but they will update it all the way until 4 |
| 14:42.52 | mrdeb | i hope |
| 14:43.06 | mrdeb | wow |
| 14:43.10 | mrdeb | xfce huh |
| 14:43.18 | jrm-rnl | Gnome 3 got too big for the CDs |
| 14:43.41 | jrm-rnl | but you can choose whatever you like |
| 14:43.55 | mrdeb | what do u mean |
| 14:43.59 | mrdeb | fedora with g3 is 600mb |
| 14:44.54 | sney | mrdeb: the contents of cd1 are determined by popcon. it's not just "here have a desktop." many people who install debian are not going to use a DE. |
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| 14:45.49 | mrdeb | i dont understand |
| 14:45.57 | jrm-rnl | this is what I read: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE1NTk |
| 14:46.00 | ompaul | go troll somewhere else it's not even sunday |
| 14:46.05 | sney | !tell mrdeb about introduction |
| 14:46.09 | sney | !tell mrdeb about popcon |
| 14:46.30 | sney | mrdeb: anything in < > you can ask the bot and get more information. |
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| 14:47.24 | Silent | Hi :D |
| 14:47.30 | sney | hi |
| 14:47.34 | mrdeb | ok thank you |
| 14:47.47 | mrdeb | so xfce is like g2 |
| 14:47.51 | Silent | How's kfreebsd different from regular debian? |
| 14:47.53 | mrdeb | hello |
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| 14:48.09 | boudiccas | mrdeb, install it for yourself and see |
| 14:48.09 | sney | Silent: different kernel and userland. |
| 14:48.36 | mrdeb | i used it before |
| 14:48.59 | jrm-rnl | sney: It's still got GNU where possible, right? |
| 14:49.15 | Silent | Well, can I still get stuff using apt-get? |
| 14:49.24 | jrm-rnl | Silent: of cource |
| 14:49.30 | sney | of course. it's still a debian system and works the same way for the higher level stuff |
| 14:49.55 | Silent | Sounds cool. |
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| 14:50.35 | jrm-rnl | I should try that sometime, see if there's good hardware support for my hardware. |
| 14:50.48 | babilen | Silent: I wouldn't necessarily consider it ready though, but I haven't played with it in a while. #debian-kbsd on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) might know more |
| 14:51.07 | Silent | Alright thanks |
| 14:51.17 | Silent | Also, where are the ISO images found on mirrors? |
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| 14:53.17 | babilen | Silent: For kbsd? |
| 14:54.11 | sney | cdimage mirrors are not the same as package mirrors |
| 14:54.12 | Silent | Well, I'm talking generally now. I am unable to find any ISO images at the Israel debian.co.il mirror. |
| 14:55.15 | Silent | It is a second mirror |
| 14:55.38 | michielbrink | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:03.02 | dutchfish | michielbrink, the proper way would be to put it into an online repository if you like to share it with others, either git or svn. That way others can comment or add to it. Also read the topic of this channel. |
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| 15:04.30 | frosty | or do you mean literally to _your_ led display? |
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| 15:13.28 | tiko_ | hello |
| 15:13.29 | r15 | hi, i am facing issue while installing 0a:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) |
| 15:13.37 | r15 | http://fpaste.org/1wq7/ |
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| 15:14.34 | r15 | i followed documentation on http://wiki.debian.org/wl#Squeeze however step 3 is failing, for which I used pastebin. |
| 15:14.49 | r15 | any idea? |
| 15:14.55 | somiaj | !bcm4313 |
| 15:14.55 | dpkg | The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727, incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver) is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset, not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For support on Debian systems, ask me about <brcm80211>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <BCM4331>. |
| 15:15.30 | tiko_ | how can i cut out in many file a mp3 with ffmpeg |
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| 15:16.59 | babilen | ,v broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 15:17.00 | judd | Package: broadcom-sta-dkms on i386 -- sid/non-free: 5.100.82.112-7; wheezy/non-free: 5.100.82.112-7 |
| 15:17.21 | PapaSierra | i don't understand the implication of choosing libcurl4-gnutls-dev over libcurl4-openssl-dev, any ideas? the only reason i need it is because i'm trying to build pecl_http and aparently curl.h is a requirement |
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| 15:18.22 | babilen | r15: You are apparently using a backported kernel and I have the impression that the broadcom sta version in squeeze won't compile against that |
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| 15:18.42 | babilen | r15: Did you try brcm80211 ? |
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| 15:19.06 | babilen | !tell r15 -about brcm80211 |
| 15:19.30 | Silent | Can I force a resolution? |
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| 15:20.04 | babilen | r15: Alternatively you can backport broadcom-sta-dkms as per "/msg dpkg ssb" and install that. If this is your personal system and you don't mind running a development branch you could also upgrade to wheezy |
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| 15:21.31 | babilen | Silent: Use "xrandr -q" to list supported ones and use it to set it. You can also use tools such as arandr or grandr if you prefer a GUI. Xorg does, however, get the resolution right most of the times and I haven't had to hard-code one in ages. If you want your change to be permanent you can create a suitable config snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (/msg dpkg xorg.conf.d) |
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| 15:22.01 | Silent | Xorg does do a fine job |
| 15:22.27 | tiko_ | how can i cut out in many file a mp3 with ffmpeg |
| 15:22.36 | Silent | But I will use VirtualBox's RDP in the future, and I would love the ability to scale the resolution to match the client. |
| 15:23.20 | babilen | Silent: I would use xrandr, arandr or similar tools (such as Gnome's Display configuration whatsmajig) in that case. |
| 15:23.22 | r15 | babilen: yes i am checking, |
| 15:23.23 | r15 | yes, it's a personal notebook. |
| 15:23.34 | Silent | Alright, thank you. |
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| 15:25.04 | babilen | r15: Well, either try the brcm80211 solution (and make sure that you install the broadcom firmware from backports too!) or backport the broadcom-sta-dkms package from sid. Alternatively upgrade to wheezy -- I can't tell you what the best solution is though as I have no personal experience with that hardware ... |
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| 15:32.12 | Ticho | grrr, how come a modern quadcore cpu can't handle playing back video without stuttering when there is a slightest disk i/o |
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| 15:53.11 | simonlnu | blame the disk controller ;) |
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| 15:56.03 | Ticho | simonlnu: the video is being played from a network share, so it should not be affected by disk i/o at all - i suspect lousy linux io scheduling, actually :> |
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| 15:57.49 | dutchfish | Ticho, what video card? |
| 15:58.05 | Ticho | nvidia |
| 15:58.25 | Ticho | but it's not just video - sometimes even music playback skips |
| 15:58.37 | frosty | network-streams still buffered on disk though? |
| 15:59.10 | Ticho | no idea, i thought buffering is in memory |
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| 16:00.14 | fire | finally made my decision to go for debian rather than centos :D |
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| 16:00.29 | dutchfish | Ticho, well, you could walk through the usual suspects, but i woudl start at the network layer if your system is not under memory presure. |
| 16:01.37 | simonlnu | Ticho: well see, you hadn't mentioned network before *friendly hint* :) |
| 16:02.17 | Ticho | simonlnu: yeah, i'm basically just venting my frustration, no wonder i do not include relevant info :> |
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| 16:02.37 | simonlnu | *nods* no biggie |
| 16:02.51 | simonlnu | hope you get it figured out |
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| 16:04.11 | r15 | no success yet |
| 16:04.35 | r15 | http://fpaste.org/1wq7/ |
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| 16:06.13 | michielbrink | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.13 | michielbrink | <javier_> help me |
| 16:06.13 | michielbrink | <michielbrink> who like to test my script? whit that script you can send text to my led display :) |
| 16:06.27 | chellomere | I'm trying to run su inside a chroot to switch to another user. if I run su - username, I get: "Unable to cd to '/home/username'". However, /home/username exists, is owned by the user and has correct permissions, and I can cd to it as the user root. if I run su username, I get: "Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied". However, /bin/bash is executable by the user and I can also run it manually as the user root. I have no idea what's |
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| 16:10.17 | drigolli2r | ho all |
| 16:10.23 | drigolli2r | *hi |
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| 16:12.36 | indrora | Found a problem with the java6 plugin package deps |
| 16:12.46 | dutchfish | chellomere, what does `ls -la /bin/su` tells you? |
| 16:13.05 | indrora | http://i.imgur.com/PKDZv.png debtree shows that sun-java6-plugin depends on a hard-set list of browsers, not the www-browser metapackage |
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| 16:14.26 | dutchfish | chellomere, fyi i protect my servers always with `chmod 700 /bin/su` ... |
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| 16:14.56 | indrora | dutchfish: that's a horrible way to do it. |
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| 16:15.36 | indrora | Since someone can still call 'sudo su' and make it work if they're in sudoers, and cause serious havoc if you're in an initscript that uses that to user-swap. |
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| 16:15.52 | themill | indrora: sun-java6-plugin isn't in debian anyway so it's a bit academic... since not all www-browser packages will support the java plugin, it shouldn't depend on that anyway |
| 16:15.55 | dutchfish | indrora, that is if sudo isnt also blocked by me ;) |
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| 16:16.33 | dutchfish | indrora, anyway, that was not his question. |
| 16:16.53 | indrora | dutchfish: sudo > su, except on BSD |
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| 16:17.41 | indrora | themill: Maintainer: |
| 16:17.43 | indrora | bah |
| 16:17.53 | dutchfish | indrora, i just want to check out if chellomere has standard -rwxr-xr-x on /bin/su |
| 16:18.00 | indrora | themill: "Debian Java Maintainers, version 2.6-0squeeze1 |
| 16:18.07 | themill | indrora: sun-java6-plugin has been removed from Debian |
| 16:18.11 | indrora | dutchfish: Ah. Also remember su is setuid. |
| 16:18.14 | indrora | themill: No it hasn't. |
| 16:18.26 | themill | !sun-java6 |
| 16:18.27 | dpkg | The sun-java6 source package (providing sun-java6-jre, sun-java6-jdk etc) was removed from Debian post-Squeeze. Oracle does not permit Debian to distribute newer versions of Oracle Java 6 or 7 (see bug #646524). Instead, use <openjdk> which is the reference implementation of Java for wheezy onwards. Alternatively, use <java-package> or download from http://java.com/en/download/manual_v6.jsp |
| 16:18.42 | indrora | themill: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sun-java6-plugin |
| 16:18.43 | themill | (and the squeeze packages should not be used...) |
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| 16:18.56 | indrora | I'm on squeeze at the moment. |
| 16:19.18 | indrora | Technically crunchbang-10 w/kernel3.2 |
| 16:19.28 | chellomere | dutchfish, I copied the chroot from one place to another, after that it stopped working. what I ended up doing is deleting the chroot, and copying all files again. it hasn't finished yet, sorry, but I'll try your suggestion when it's done, if I still have problems. |
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| 16:19.45 | daemonkeeper | Technically you are not on Squeeze then. |
| 16:19.53 | dutchfish | chellomere, it should be -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root |
| 16:20.05 | dutchfish | chellomere, for /bin/su |
| 16:20.42 | indrora | daemonkeeper: Crunchbang is simply an overlay on top of mainline now. |
| 16:20.59 | daemonkeeper | indrora: We do not agree. |
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| 16:21.38 | indrora | daemonkeeper: All Crunchbang provides is a set of metapackages and updates on top of normal sources. |
| 16:21.46 | daemonkeeper | !based on debian |
| 16:21.46 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 16:21.53 | chellomere | dutchfish, it just finished, it worked this time, so sorry, can't try to your suggestion |
| 16:22.15 | dutchfish | chellomere, as long as it is fixed now, np ;) |
| 16:22.21 | r15 | any help? http://fpaste.org/EZ88/ |
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| 16:22.54 | chellomere | hmm, but I may not have copied it correctly, sudo complains that it must be setuid root |
| 16:22.56 | boudiccas | !crunchbang |
| 16:22.56 | dpkg | CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbanglinux.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>. |
| 16:22.57 | themill | indrora: if it were debian, it wouldn't be called crunchbang. I still don't believe what you have described is a bug in debian in any case. In future, please seek support in crunchbang's own channel (#crunchbang) |
| 16:23.17 | dutchfish | chellomere, it should be -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root /bin/su |
| 16:23.26 | indrora | themill: Righto. You guys are worse than Arch and Ubuntu, combined. Have a nice day. |
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| 16:23.36 | r15 | i have HP dv6 notebook, wireless is not working, Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller. |
| 16:23.39 | chellomere | dutchfish, ah right, my su isn't that. |
| 16:24.00 | r15 | i am using bpo kernel, as without it many things don't work. |
| 16:24.08 | chellomere | I think I need cp --preserve=all |
| 16:24.17 | r15 | also tried http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211#Squeeze |
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| 16:27.40 | r15 | any idea? |
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| 16:29.04 | simonlnu | broadcom is infamous for iffy support, and closed binary drivers. support is dependent on them, and when/if they release specs and/or code to linux. |
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| 16:29.22 | r15 | installed firmware-brcm80211 and planty of others, still same. |
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| 16:29.57 | r15 | will never ever purchase a HP notebook. never... |
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| 16:30.37 | simonlnu | a least wait a while until it's supported |
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| 16:31.15 | simonlnu | there's a bunch of good reasons for that, too. price, hardware and firmware revisions, ... |
| 16:31.17 | chellomere | dutchfish, it finally worked correctly after I used cp --preserve=all :) |
| 16:31.33 | r15 | i was looking for think pad, the best linux friendly notebook i believe. |
| 16:31.43 | dutchfish | chellomere, :) |
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| 16:31.56 | simonlnu | yeh, i wouldn't know that. i tend to not buy new stuff ;) |
| 16:32.34 | Delf | I'm having compatibility anxiety |
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| 16:33.03 | r15 | simonlnu: in couple of months it may work? Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless |
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| 16:33.39 | Delf | I had to take out the WiFi nic ffs |
| 16:33.47 | chellomere | r15, what kernel are you using? does your device have pciid 14e4:4727? |
| 16:33.54 | simonlnu | probably. maybe sooner. depends on how quickly broadcom does their thing, or how quickly there's a reverse-engineered driver. |
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| 16:34.40 | frikinz_ | r15: there's quite some info there too: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcom_wireless . not debian but as your problem might be kernel related, info still stands |
| 16:34.43 | chellomere | simonlnu, some quick googling tells me that there's a linux driver for the bcm4313; don't be so quick |
| 16:35.13 | simonlnu | oh yeh? well good |
| 16:35.56 | simonlnu | sooner than i thought :P |
| 16:36.03 | simonlnu | laughs |
| 16:36.10 | r15 | chellomere/frikinz_: 3.2.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 |
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| 16:38.58 | chellomere | r15, have you tried loading the brcmsmac driver? |
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| 16:40.31 | frikinz_ | and checking that not another driver is loaded with lsmod would be important |
| 16:41.12 | Delf | Does Debian Wheezy have issues with Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller? |
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| 16:41.55 | boudiccas | this is part of my wheezy update output .. W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/dl.google.com_linux_chrome_deb_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) .. how do i correct it please? |
| 16:42.16 | r15 | frikinz_: yes that could be the issue, i installed so many things :D, chellomere: yes lsmod is giving brcmsmac. |
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| 16:45.11 | chellomere | r15, does iwconfig list any network interface with wireless capabilities? |
| 16:45.21 | Delf | boudiccas: How does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
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| 16:46.37 | frikinz_ | and /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 16:46.56 | r15 | chellomere: no |
| 16:47.29 | boudiccas | Delf, frikinz_okay, wait then please whilst i paste it |
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| 16:48.55 | chellomere | r15, modprobe -r brcmsmac, then modprobe brcmsmac. then examine the end of the output of dmesg to see if there's any message from the driver. |
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| 16:49.40 | chellomere | Delf, you can probably use lspci to find out the pciid and/or more specific model number of your NIC. then google what you find. |
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| 16:49.41 | r15 | http://fpaste.org/oRjD/ < loaded modules. |
| 16:49.50 | r15 | chellomere: ok, checking. |
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| 16:50.34 | Delf | chellomere: I'm on windows now. I be on Debian long time ago had it not been because of the speed rape. |
| 16:50.43 | r15 | dmesg , showing 9279.901404] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 16:50.45 | boudiccas | Delf, http://dpaste.com/807750/ |
| 16:50.52 | r15 | great |
| 16:51.00 | chellomere | Delf, "speed rape"? |
| 16:51.10 | boudiccas | frikinz_, /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a directory so i cant paste it |
| 16:51.24 | r15 | chellomere: iwconfig is showing wlan0 |
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| 16:51.30 | chellomere | Delf, you can run any live-cd to get access to lspci, and also find out if your NIC works on linux |
| 16:51.38 | r15 | chellomere:Thanks, Cool. |
| 16:51.43 | foetus | recognizes new release.. |
| 16:51.55 | Delf | chellomere: It "works", it's just insanely slow |
| 16:52.04 | chellomere | Delf, what is slow? |
| 16:52.16 | chellomere | the NIC? |
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| 16:52.32 | Delf | Receiving files |
| 16:53.07 | chellomere | r15, so, you didn't have wlan0 before but now you do? you probably just needed to reload the driver after installing firmware files. |
| 16:53.17 | Delf | boudiccas: Our fellow friend here also mentioned /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 16:53.54 | boudiccas | Delf, this is what i said to frikinz_ /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a directory so i cant paste it |
| 16:54.05 | chellomere | Delf, can you be more specific? what protocol? |
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| 16:55.07 | themill | boudiccas: feel free to look inside it though |
| 16:55.23 | Delf | boudiccas: I'm a super noob myself. I don't see any "duplicates". |
| 16:55.42 | Delf | chellomere: samba, I think. |
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| 16:57.26 | chellomere | boudiccas, you could run (for i in * **/*; do echo $i:; cat $i; done) > ~/paste in the directory and then you will find a file "paste" containing the contents of all the files in that directory neatly in one file, which you can then pastebin |
| 16:57.44 | chellomere | Delf, only samba is slow? that doesn't sound like a hardware problem. |
| 16:58.02 | boudiccas | themill, doh! :) |
| 16:58.13 | Delf | chellomere: Hardware problem? Nothing wrong with the hardware |
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| 16:58.45 | boudiccas | delf http://dpaste.com/807751/ /etc/apt/sources.listd/google-chrome |
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| 16:59.49 | Delf | boudiccas: Then what you want to do is put a # in front of deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main |
| 16:59.54 | boudiccas | Delf, theres the problem so i'll comment it out which will solve the problem |
| 16:59.57 | Delf | then run apt-get update |
| 17:00.13 | chellomere | Delf, sorry, not hardware problem. you asked "Does Debian Wheezy have issues with Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller?" implying that there might be a driver problem with your specific NIC on linux. |
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| 17:00.58 | Delf | chellomere: I don't really know what the problem is, if its driver or cat hair in the kernel or something else. |
| 17:01.44 | chellomere | Delf, if you only have issues with samba, it's almost certainly not a driver problem, but a problem with samba. |
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| 17:02.53 | Delf | OK, I needs to try http and sftp then to try and to find out what the problem could be related to. |
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| 17:05.33 | WormFood | is there a tool in debian (stable), that will allow me to see what is actually using my virtual memory? |
| 17:05.40 | Delf | Do we have a live-cd USB? |
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| 17:05.55 | chellomere | WormFood, why do you need this? do you know what virtual memory is? |
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| 17:06.34 | WormFood | chellomere, I want to see what is actually being swapped out. |
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| 17:07.12 | WormFood | I'm curious as to why my system, right this instant, is using 2 gigs of swap, when I have plenty of free ram |
| 17:07.13 | themill | WormFood: ps shows this |
| 17:07.41 | r15 | chellomere:yes, now wifi is working fine. Thanks. |
| 17:07.44 | dutchfish | WormFood, cat /proc/meminfo | free | htop |
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| 17:08.10 | chellomere | WormFood, you can use top, then press f and instruct it to show swapped size |
| 17:08.22 | r15 | Thanks for your help! |
| 17:08.31 | chellomere | r15, you're welcome! |
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| 17:08.48 | r15 | bye chellomere & #debian. |
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| 17:09.21 | chellomere | WormFood, note that "virtual memory" is not equivalent to the memory pages which are swapped out |
| 17:09.28 | swaP | so many swaps |
| 17:09.39 | swaP | stop swapping, bad |
| 17:09.46 | peterS | WormFood: there's also nothing wrong with using swap when you aren't out of RAM. Remember, in the end, totally unused RAM is wasted RAM. It may as well not be there at all. Thus you want your OS to use all your RAM all the time, if it can. Usually this means more disk cache. |
| 17:10.00 | peterS | WormFood: and there are times when keeping all your processes 100% in memory is much less helpful than keeping more disk cached |
| 17:10.30 | peterS | does that make sense? |
| 17:10.36 | WormFood | thanks for the tips. I'm checking them out now. Top seems a little odd, as it is showing way more virtual memory being used than what free shows in use |
| 17:10.48 | peterS | so it can be beneficial to swap out parts of your processes, so you can keep more disk cache for the other processes that really need it |
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| 17:11.11 | boudiccas | WormFood, you could also install 'atop' and run that as it gives a more accurate readout |
| 17:11.12 | WormFood | peterS, yeah, I'm aware of what is going on. I know using swap isn't bad. As I said before, I was just curious as to what was actually "not being used", because it was swapped out. |
| 17:11.26 | WormFood | oh yeah, I forgot about atop. I used that before. Really nice tool. |
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| 17:12.42 | WormFood | if the memory isn't actively being used, I feel it would be better utilized as disk cache, so I don't object to swap being used....that is what I configured the system to use swap ;) |
| 17:12.55 | WormFood | what=what |
| 17:13.06 | WormFood | what=why* (damn keyboard) |
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| 17:14.07 | chellomere | WormFood, the total amount of virtual memory used doesn't matter at all! it's just... a number. a process can allocate almost as much virtual memory as it wants, but then not use it, and it won't make a difference as that *virtual* memory won't be associated with *physical* memory!* |
| 17:14.42 | WormFood | yes, I'm well aware of that...as I said before, I was just curious as to what was actually using it. |
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| 17:14.52 | WormFood | I never said it was bad, or something I wanted to avoid. |
| 17:16.54 | chellomere | WormFood, if you want to know what memory is actually used, look at the RES and SHR columns in top, for every process. for a total figure, refer to the output of free. |
| 17:16.57 | WormFood | I'm maxed out on ram right now (8 gig for my motherboard). my next motherboard will have 32 gig of ram. My cpu is plenty fast enough for what I want/need, it is just that I can't get enough ram to get acceptable performance when I'm doing many things at once. I discovered in my investigations, that Deluge was sucking up about 1.6 gigs of ram |
| 17:17.54 | edju | Testing doesn't recognize my optical drive anymore. /dev/sr0 disappeared. Instead I have "crw------- 1 root 21, 0 Sep 26 20:47 /dev/sg0". I have no idea where that came from. Any advice on getting sr0 back - if possible - greatly appreciated. |
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| 17:21.01 | peterS | edju: an old saying: there is no such thing as 'suddenly'. Something changed. What changed? are you talking about a new install? or a recent upgrade? |
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| 17:27.50 | edju | peterS, Certainly not a new install, and I upgrade regularly, so whether it's due to an upgrade, I don't know. I realize that it may be a hardware problem. However, the drive responds at startup, but not once grub takes over -- so I'm hoping it's related to the OS somehow. |
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| 17:28.21 | edju | And what is sg0 anyway? |
| 17:28.45 | peterS | sg is the 'scsi generic' interface - a way for applications to access scsi devices in a more raw fashion |
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| 17:28.59 | ompaul | edju: before you go any further, have you rebooted since the last upgrade? |
| 17:29.12 | peterS | it's generally not really needed in most cases, as apps like CD writers can do their magic through the sr interface these days |
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| 17:29.24 | edju | ompaul, Yes, more than once. |
| 17:29.51 | peterS | edju: just to double-check: lsmod | grep sr' - is the sr_mod module loaded? |
| 17:30.05 | peterS | (if not, try loading it with modprobe) |
| 17:31.00 | sevenfourk | weird, mutt does not connect to imap gmail, anyone experiencing similar issues? |
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| 17:31.11 | Zeeflo | Is it possible to make a Wheezy live CD? |
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| 17:32.12 | zeeflo | sorry.. I accidently disconnected. Is it possible to make a Wheezy Live CD? |
| 17:32.34 | ompaul | zeeflo: does this help you? http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/live-build |
| 17:33.18 | sevenfourk | hm, imap is not working currently on GMail. |
| 17:33.19 | edju | peterS, No, it wasn't. modprobe gave me sr_mod, cdrom and scsi_mod. |
| 17:33.42 | peterS | edju: ...and did that cause /dev/sr0 to appear? |
| 17:33.59 | ompaul | sevenfourk: imap and gmail is reputed to be "horrid" |
| 17:34.00 | zeeflo | i dont know if that helps me, how am I supposed to understand that website? |
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| 17:34.20 | ompaul | sevenfourk: I have no metrics on "horrid" |
| 17:34.28 | peterS | ...I'm guessing it did not, and that 'cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info' shows no devices as well |
| 17:35.20 | sevenfourk | ompaul: till today I had no any issues |
| 17:35.43 | sevenfourk | 993 port is also is not responding.. |
| 17:36.02 | sevenfourk | s/is a/a/ |
| 17:36.13 | zeeflo | So, im supposed to install live-build? |
| 17:36.46 | ompaul | zeeflo: looks like it is the way forward for you |
| 17:36.51 | zeeflo | ok |
| 17:37.10 | zeeflo | so, what this does, is building a live CD of my current system setup on my server? |
| 17:37.48 | blubberdiblub | sevenfourk, grabbing mails from gmail imap via fetchmail works for me |
| 17:38.07 | ompaul | zeeflo: http://live.debian.net/ |
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| 17:38.19 | edju | peterS, No sr0. The info file does show "CD-ROM information, Id: cdrom.c 3.20 2003/12/17" followed by a list of empty fields, like "Can close tray:". |
| 17:38.21 | frikinz_ | 173.194.78.108:993 does respond here |
| 17:38.44 | frikinz_ | long time I didn't start mutt and not one of my imaps works though :( |
| 17:39.07 | sevenfourk | yes this IP is responding |
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| 17:39.46 | sevenfourk | for my it's 74.125.143.108 |
| 17:39.52 | peterS | edju: but no devices. so, most likely it is the actual OS kernel that doesn't see the CD-ROM drive at all |
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| 17:40.19 | edju | peterS, loading modules manually takes immediate effect? |
| 17:40.22 | peterS | edju: do you know if it's connected via ATA, or SATA, or something else? |
| 17:41.05 | peterS | edju: yes, when a module loads, it looks for hardware that it can handle, and handles it. it is asynchronous - in that it might take several seconds to do this scan, so "long" after the modprobe call returns - but yes it starts looking immediately |
| 17:43.01 | edju | peterS, I don't know. I could check at the manufacturer's site and find out. Be back in a while. Thanks a lot. |
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| 17:50.13 | boudiccas | there is this odd thingie that appears in my xfce status bar on wheezy whenever i get a new email/chaune in my music player/mount a volume and records the event. i can close it but when the event happens again it reappears, but how do i kill it please? what do i look for to get rid of it please? |
| 17:50.27 | boudiccas | change |
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| 17:51.44 | Knaldgas | dmesg | less -> "CIFS: Unknown mount option auto" when accessing the automount directory. "auto" been obsoleted??? |
| 17:52.29 | Knaldgas | I can mount it manually though |
| 17:53.05 | dutchfish | boudiccas, you meant notifications? if so: apt-get remove xfce4-notifyd |
| 17:53.29 | dutchfish | boudiccas, but that removes all notifications |
| 17:53.48 | boudiccas | dutchfish, ah, right, thanks, i'll try that |
| 17:54.20 | boudiccas | ah, no. i want the notificatiosn just not the 'thingie' |
| 17:54.38 | dutchfish | scratches head |
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| 17:56.49 | dutchfish | boudiccas, is there maybe an option under control panel -> notifications for this? (i am not running xfce atm) |
| 17:57.21 | Silent | Can I load a given kernel module and connect to a wireless network during installation? |
| 17:57.31 | boudiccas | dutchfish, there is a notifications menu entry which i've looked at, but it doesnt affect the 'thingie' |
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| 17:58.06 | dutchfish | boudiccas, mm.. i gues i am out of solutions then |
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| 18:04.21 | dutchfish | http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120929 |
| 18:04.49 | dutchfish | oops, posted into the wrong channel, sorry |
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| 18:09.08 | aatalla | My VGA is VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) and glxgears give me this Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 18:09.08 | aatalla | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual (Debian Stable) |
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| 18:13.05 | dutchfish | aatalla, can you give me the output of `grep -i chipset /var/log/Xorg.0.log` ? |
| 18:13.45 | dutchfish | (pastebin) |
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| 18:32.46 | Xtreme | guys i need to disable empathy web browser |
| 18:33.16 | Xtreme | i need to set chrome or any other browser for default.. no matter what i do, it always open in web |
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| 18:36.30 | nkuttler | Xtreme: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 18:36.44 | somiaj | Xtreme: you could look at the alternatives. 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/*browser*' which of those point at empathy, use update-alternatives to move the links |
| 18:36.56 | somiaj | though depending on the application it may not use the alternative system |
| 18:36.59 | frikinz_ | and www-browser |
| 18:37.27 | Xtreme | one sec, looking into it |
| 18:37.40 | somiaj | there is also a gnome-www-browser...not sure why I have that on my system since I try to not let gnome crap sneak in. To bad some crap needs gconf |
| 18:37.55 | frikinz_ | somiaj: thought the same when looking in the directory :) |
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| 18:39.58 | frikinz_ | chromium, iceweasel postinst sets gnome-www-browser |
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| 18:40.51 | Xtreme | how to add something to alternatives? i forgot the syntax.. |
| 18:40.58 | somiaj | Xtreme: man update-alterantives |
| 18:41.13 | somiaj | but I think the easiest is update-alternatives -c name (c for configure it should ask you which one of a predefined ones you want) |
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| 18:41.38 | frikinz_ | update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ; update-alternatives --config www-browser |
| 18:41.42 | somiaj | guess it is --config not -c |
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| 18:43.13 | Xtreme | priority, higher is better right? |
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| 18:43.19 | Xtreme | that is 2 over 1 |
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| 18:46.26 | Xtreme | okay x-www-browser, gnome-www-browser and www-browser |
| 18:46.30 | Xtreme | anything else? |
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| 18:48.03 | Xtreme | do i need a reboot? |
| 18:48.08 | Xtreme | http://yahoo.com |
| 18:48.42 | Xtreme | still empathy |
| 18:48.49 | Xtreme | i feel like removing it now |
| 18:49.40 | frikinz_ | from where? |
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| 18:50.06 | Xtreme | system |
| 18:50.08 | Xtreme | ;( |
| 18:50.10 | frikinz_ | which app still opens empathy? |
| 18:50.22 | Xtreme | xchat |
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| 18:51.54 | frikinz_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506309 xchat-gnome: Should use x-www-browser instead of gnome-browser |
| 18:52.21 | frikinz_ | from 2008 ... |
| 18:52.26 | Xtreme | well, i have done all three |
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| 19:00.31 | nadar | could you please point me to the package which contains "count "? |
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| 19:01.59 | pzn | anyone here tried panasonic toughbook cf-52 with debian? is there any hardware incompatibility problem? |
| 19:02.27 | zeeflo | toughbooks have no problem with debian |
| 19:02.29 | zeeflo | unix |
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| 19:02.31 | zeeflo | linux |
| 19:02.35 | zeeflo | i use them on job |
| 19:02.39 | zeeflo | they run unix |
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| 19:04.23 | pzn | zeeflo, thanks! |
| 19:04.38 | somiaj | nadar: what are you trying to count? I don't see any package that contains that exact binary, but you can use apt-file or packages.debian.org to search for yourself |
| 19:04.48 | zeeflo | :) youre welcome pzn |
| 19:05.45 | pzn | zeeflo, do you recommend any notebook for use with debian? I really don't need a toughbook... I only need a notebook with enough screen bright to be used in direct sunlight, and I only found toughbooks with this feature |
| 19:05.46 | nadar | somiaj, sorry |
| 19:05.56 | nadar | i mixed up count with "seq" |
| 19:06.03 | nadar | *sigh* |
| 19:06.17 | somiaj | ahh ok, was wondring if you wante 'wc' |
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| 19:06.50 | zeeflo | pzn, hp makes some good notebooks with antiglare! |
| 19:06.51 | zeeflo | but |
| 19:06.56 | zeeflo | toughbooks are the shit! |
| 19:07.22 | zeeflo | if I could afford a military grade toughbook, like the ones at work, id do it in a hearbeat! |
| 19:07.26 | zeeflo | heart*beat |
| 19:08.13 | pzn | zeeflo, sorry... not native english speaker. you mean they are shit and you mean you want to buy??? are they good or bad? |
| 19:08.20 | zeeflo | good! |
| 19:08.29 | zeeflo | the shit = awesome, great! |
| 19:09.30 | ompaul | as inflection is not generally carried in plain text, it is good to say exactly what you mean on irc |
| 19:10.25 | pzn | ompaul, zeeflo, got it :-) |
| 19:11.06 | zeeflo | hmmm |
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| 19:11.19 | zeeflo | how do I mount a dvd so, i can mount it and growisofs to it? |
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| 19:11.46 | zeeflo | let me refrase, how do I mount a dvdr so I can burn an iso to it? |
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| 19:13.29 | pzn | zeeflo, don't know what to do... thinkpad t530 for US$900 or toughtbook cf52 REFURBISHED for US$1700... which one will squeeze like the most? :-) |
| 19:14.04 | zeeflo | any one of them! |
| 19:14.09 | zeeflo | but |
| 19:14.29 | zeeflo | you might have to use wheezy or sid to make it properly work with wifi etc etc etc |
| 19:14.41 | zeeflo | i had to use wheezy to make my server work properly |
| 19:15.09 | ompaul | pzn: if you have squeeze firmware |
| 19:15.18 | ompaul | issues you can use kmoto |
| 19:15.20 | chellomere | zeeflo, you don't need to mount to burn. or rather, you can't mount an empty dvdr because there isn't any file system. |
| 19:15.23 | ompaul | to get up and running |
| 19:15.42 | ompaul | !kmoto |
| 19:16.05 | zeeflo | chellomere, i found it.. its trying hard to mount my blank dvd, and nothing is happening hehe |
| 19:16.16 | ompaul | !kmuto |
| 19:16.16 | dpkg | Unofficial images for installing Debian Squeeze/6.0 using a later kernel (currently Linux 3.2.4) are available from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (images are on the CD mirrors). To supply additional firmware, ask me about <installer firmware>. For a USB install, use the lenny instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 19:16.17 | chellomere | zeeflo, ahaha, I can imagine :) |
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| 19:16.35 | ompaul | me and my typos ^^^ pzn that will make squeeze happy and give you the backported kernels |
| 19:16.42 | zeeflo | i cant even control +c it to make it stop |
| 19:16.54 | pzn | zeeflo, ompaul, ok, got it. thanks! |
| 19:16.56 | ompaul | pzn: use it only if you need it |
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| 19:18.07 | zeeflo | uhmmm |
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| 19:18.20 | zeeflo | does anyone here know how I make it stop trying to mount a blank dvd? |
| 19:19.28 | chellomere | try killing the process with signal 9 |
| 19:19.43 | chellomere | as in kill -9 pid |
| 19:19.47 | Delf | I can't find a live cd for Wheezy |
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| 19:20.12 | zeeflo | Delf, you have to make your own |
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| 19:20.18 | zeeflo | theres NO live cd for wheezy |
| 19:20.24 | somiaj | Delf: most likely the live team won't make any until wheezy is stablized |
| 19:20.34 | somiaj | but they do provide tools to make your own. |
| 19:20.36 | Delf | Now that.. gives me anxiety. |
| 19:20.53 | zeeflo | its very very easy! |
| 19:21.02 | Delf | I downloaded one that other guys did. I booted and the screen was all random coloured pixels :( |
| 19:21.17 | zeeflo | make your own |
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| 19:21.40 | zeeflo | or use the web cgi livecd creator |
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| 19:26.01 | zeeflo | :-( unable to O_EXCL /dev/dvdrw: someone was in time to remount? |
| 19:26.02 | zeeflo | ?? |
| 19:26.07 | zeeflo | what does this mean? |
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| 19:31.54 | chellomere | zeeflo, for some reason it seems like that program is unable to obtain exclusive access to /dev/dvdrw |
| 19:32.09 | zeeflo | yea |
| 19:32.19 | zeeflo | i guess its still trying to mount or something.. |
| 19:32.21 | zeeflo | strange.. |
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| 19:35.52 | somiaj | do you have an automounter |
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| 19:39.42 | Namphiz | hi |
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| 19:40.12 | Namphiz | I just installed Debian 6 on my PC |
| 19:40.23 | Namphiz | and compiled the 3.5.4 Kernel |
| 19:40.53 | Namphiz | but my WLAN card doesnt seem to work.. but it did with Kernel 3.0 (with Linux Mint 12) |
| 19:41.15 | somiaj | why are you compling your own kernel? this could be your issue? |
| 19:41.30 | ompaul | !bpo |
| 19:41.31 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 19:41.33 | somiaj | Haev you tried the 3.2 kernel from squeeze-backports and you probabaly need to install some non-free firmware to go with that kernel |
| 19:41.42 | Namphiz | By standard Debian 6 is running with 2.6.x |
| 19:41.52 | Namphiz | My wlan doesnt work with 2,6 |
| 19:41.52 | ompaul | Namphiz: ^^^^^^ |
| 19:42.28 | Namphiz | I dont care |
| 19:42.42 | Namphiz | if my system would be 100 % open source |
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| 19:43.05 | frikinz_ | Namphiz: kernel up to 3.5 are already compiled |
| 19:43.05 | ompaul | Namphiz: we just told you how to get it working - no idea what you want to do but do that backport and the get it in there |
| 19:43.09 | Namphiz | No I didnt try the 3.2 kernel from the backports? Should I? |
| 19:43.20 | ompaul | Namphiz: maybe we are suggesting that |
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| 19:45.01 | zeeflo | im thinking, can it be a wrong mount in fstab of the dvdrw thats causing this problem? |
| 19:45.20 | simonlnu | possible |
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| 19:45.35 | zeeflo | can anyone here with a bdr, dvdrw drive tell me how they mount their dvdrw in fstab? |
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| 19:45.45 | aca20031 | minecraft@usgame1:~$ screen -r 23309 // Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 19:45.56 | aca20031 | /dev/pts/0 is owned by root - wtf? |
| 19:47.02 | zeeflo | anyone? |
| 19:47.32 | bullgard4 | Where is the syntax described for entries in .Xresources? |
| 19:48.10 | Namphiz | So.. if I want to activate my WLAN card I need to install a package (kernel module?) from the Backports Repo? |
| 19:48.12 | frikinz_ | zeeflo: that's the only like I have --> /dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:48.28 | Namphiz | I have some difficulties to get it |
| 19:48.43 | Namphiz | What I have to do.. |
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| 19:50.07 | zeeflo | frikinz_ and you can write dvd's? |
| 19:50.45 | zeeflo | im thinking i have to put a rw in it |
| 19:50.54 | zeeflo | like, rw,user,noauto |
| 19:51.04 | zeeflo | and instead of udf,iso9660 make it auto |
| 19:51.06 | frikinz_ | zeeflo: long time I didn't burn a dvd actually so no, not 100% sure |
| 19:51.17 | zeeflo | ok |
| 19:51.52 | chellomere | zeeflo, frikinz_, no, his fstab entry is entirely correct |
| 19:52.02 | zeeflo | his or mine? |
| 19:52.04 | frikinz_ | Namphiz: try the 3.2 package from backport as suggested ? |
| 19:52.08 | chellomere | frikinz_'s |
| 19:52.15 | zeeflo | mine looks like that too |
| 19:52.22 | zeeflo | but i still get that error.. |
| 19:52.34 | chellomere | yes, don't change it. it's only used for mounting, not burning. |
| 19:52.48 | zeeflo | ./dev/dvdrw /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto |
| 19:52.51 | zeeflo | thats my fstab |
| 19:52.54 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 19:53.07 | zeeflo | how can I troubleshoot why its not burning? |
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| 19:53.20 | chellomere | is it still mounted? |
| 19:54.20 | zeeflo | no |
| 19:54.31 | zeeflo | mount doesnt show anything about my dvdrw being mounted anywhere |
| 19:55.05 | zeeflo | im trying to execute: growisofs -Z /dev/dvdrw=/root/myimage/binary.hybrid.iso |
| 19:55.22 | zeeflo | :-( unable to O_EXCL /dev/dvdrw: someone was in time to remount? |
| 19:56.38 | zeeflo | shit |
| 19:56.43 | zeeflo | mount is running is ps |
| 19:57.10 | zeeflo | hmm |
| 19:57.14 | zeeflo | didnt help killing it |
| 19:57.16 | chellomere | try killing mount with signal 9. if that doesn't work, you'll have to (1) wait for mount to fail (2) reboot |
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| 19:58.07 | zeeflo | signal killing didnt work |
| 19:58.11 | zeeflo | its still in the joblist |
| 19:58.25 | zeeflo | how long will it take to mount fail? |
| 19:58.28 | chellomere | even when killing with -9? |
| 19:58.38 | zeeflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.43 | chellomere | what is the process state? R? S? D? Z? |
| 19:58.47 | zeeflo | ├─mount |
| 19:58.51 | zeeflo | its still there |
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| 20:00.07 | chellomere | zeeflo, ps aux|grep mount? |
| 20:00.11 | zeeflo | its running R |
| 20:00.25 | zeeflo | R 21:10 49:21 mount /dev/dvdrw |
| 20:00.25 | chellomere | are you sure that 9946 is the pid? |
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| 20:00.34 | zeeflo | root 9946 99.9 0.0 18884 1020 ? R 21:10 49:21 mount /dev/dvdrw |
| 20:00.51 | zeeflo | killall -9 ? |
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| 20:01.16 | zeeflo | didnt work either |
| 20:01.22 | chellomere | no, same effect |
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| 20:02.56 | chellomere | well, this is strange, as a program isn't supposed to be able to catch or ignore SIGKILL and is supposed to be killed immediately (unless it's in state D or Z) |
| 20:03.07 | zeeflo | ill reboot |
| 20:03.16 | zeeflo | even though im not keened about it.. |
| 20:03.18 | zeeflo | :/ |
| 20:03.58 | chellomere | yeah, I'm out of ideas |
| 20:04.08 | zeeflo | me 2 |
| 20:04.12 | zeeflo | its rebooting though |
| 20:05.06 | zeeflo | uhmmmmm |
| 20:05.11 | zeeflo | this is getting veeery strange! |
| 20:05.15 | zeeflo | it didnt reboot |
| 20:05.22 | zeeflo | shutdown -r now |
| 20:05.26 | zeeflo | it ignored it |
| 20:05.29 | zeeflo | wtf! |
| 20:06.00 | Mr_Queue | This point release boned? |
| 20:06.00 | zeeflo | what the hell do i do? |
| 20:06.16 | Mr_Queue | I've a pair of boxes throwing errors.. |
| 20:07.25 | zeeflo | -n -r now? |
| 20:07.35 | zeeflo | that should force it to reboot shouldnt it? |
| 20:07.55 | zeeflo | it did |
| 20:07.55 | Mr_Queue | zeeflo: what are you after? |
| 20:08.09 | chellomere | zeeflo, -n is probably what did it. |
| 20:08.21 | Mr_Queue | zeeflo: if shutdown -rf now isn't working, check your file system. |
| 20:08.33 | zeeflo | i did a -n -r now |
| 20:08.35 | zeeflo | and it shutdown |
| 20:08.47 | Mr_Queue | come back? |
| 20:08.51 | Mr_Queue | did it come back? |
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| 20:09.03 | zeeflo | no |
| 20:09.03 | chellomere | without -n it tried syncing, and that probably got stuck because mount was still running |
| 20:09.05 | zeeflo | shit |
| 20:09.06 | zeeflo | shit shit shit |
| 20:09.10 | zeeflo | shit shit shit shit shit |
| 20:09.11 | Mr_Queue | zeeflo: is it remote? |
| 20:09.14 | zeeflo | no |
| 20:09.19 | zeeflo | its here in my living room |
| 20:09.21 | Mr_Queue | do you have console? |
| 20:09.22 | zeeflo | but shit shit shit |
| 20:09.26 | zeeflo | fuuuuuck |
| 20:09.35 | Mr_Queue | zeeflo: you likely caught a fsck. |
| 20:09.36 | in2tactics | shit is not a good descipion |
| 20:09.39 | chellomere | what happened? |
| 20:09.41 | Mr_Queue | lulz |
| 20:09.49 | Mr_Queue | I'll bet fsck |
| 20:10.12 | Mr_Queue | But a box hasn't come back up for zeeflo |
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| 20:10.26 | Mr_Queue | zeeflo: go console it. |
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| 20:10.35 | zeeflo | shit shit shti |
| 20:10.38 | Mr_Queue | what console message does it have? |
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| 20:10.48 | zeeflo | i gotta go fetch a screen and keyboard etc |
| 20:10.50 | zeeflo | hold |
| 20:11.15 | Mr_Queue | It's very likely walking through a fsck or sitting at a maintenance prompt. You should be fine. |
| 20:11.23 | zeeflo | shiiiiiit |
| 20:11.27 | Mr_Queue | lol |
| 20:11.30 | Mr_Queue | Relax man.. |
| 20:11.33 | zeeflo | i dont know anything about fsck'ing |
| 20:11.38 | Mr_Queue | relax. |
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| 20:11.40 | Guest54262 | Does Debian have an application that teaches r-language? |
| 20:11.42 | in2tactics | file system check |
| 20:11.45 | in2tactics | it'snormal |
| 20:11.48 | zeeflo | i now, |
| 20:11.51 | zeeflo | but ive never done it |
| 20:12.01 | in2tactics | it does it on its own |
| 20:12.02 | zeeflo | its not booting.. |
| 20:12.12 | Mr_Queue | It will fsck every 28 reboots or 180 days, which ever comes first. |
| 20:12.18 | zeeflo | OH MY GOD |
| 20:12.23 | zeeflo | its up again.. |
| 20:12.25 | zeeflo | pheeeeew |
| 20:12.27 | Mr_Queue | Told you. |
| 20:12.27 | zeeflo | why the hell |
| 20:12.33 | Mr_Queue | It did a fsck. |
| 20:12.38 | Mr_Queue | file system check |
| 20:12.44 | zeeflo | can i check in a log somewhere? |
| 20:12.54 | Mr_Queue | every 28 reboots or 180 days, whichever is first. |
| 20:12.56 | zeeflo | var log system |
| 20:12.57 | zeeflo | ok |
| 20:13.25 | Mr_Queue | If you don't forget you can tune it to fast boot and then don't forget to schedule fscks.. |
| 20:14.11 | zeeflo | ok |
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| 20:14.20 | zeeflo | i got scared for a minute! |
| 20:14.31 | zeeflo | its taken me 2 weeks to set up the server! |
| 20:14.55 | Mr_Queue | lulz and already a fsck? |
| 20:14.59 | Mr_Queue | Reboot much? lol |
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| 20:15.09 | zeeflo | alot of reboots while installing 10000 different things hehe |
| 20:15.23 | Mr_Queue | You don't need to reboot that much. |
| 20:15.35 | specing | 22:15:38 up 143 days, 3:25, 11 users, load average: 1.33, 1.61, 1.36 |
| 20:15.36 | specing | lol |
| 20:15.41 | zeeflo | i know |
| 20:15.44 | Mr_Queue | I can think of like 3 maybe 4 reasons to reboot a linux box. |
| 20:16.01 | Mr_Queue | root@flag:~# uptime 15:15:54 up 87 days, 19:38, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.18, 0.32 |
| 20:16.04 | zeeflo | most of my reboots was while installing openvpn to work with brigde and tap! |
| 20:16.14 | zeeflo | i think i rebooted about 15-20 times that night! |
| 20:16.18 | Mr_Queue | I have boxes at work up almost 1000 days. |
| 20:16.18 | Thyem | Why is fsck forced every 28 reboot/180 days? |
| 20:16.26 | Mr_Queue | tune2fs |
| 20:16.30 | Mr_Queue | ^^ that's why |
| 20:16.36 | zeeflo | I can beat that uptime! |
| 20:16.36 | zeeflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.38 | zeeflo | :D |
| 20:16.42 | specing | lol |
| 20:16.59 | Max^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.03 | Mr_Queue | I'm likely rebooting flag today, but the point release just pushed is having problems with the kernel. |
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| 20:17.13 | zeeflo | OH shit |
| 20:17.17 | zeeflo | i got a question for you guys |
| 20:17.20 | specing | Come on, is noone going to beat me with their uptime? :D |
| 20:17.26 | Mr_Queue | Not here. |
| 20:17.31 | Mr_Queue | It's Debian. |
| 20:17.34 | specing | Also that 143 days is a laptop, hehe |
| 20:17.45 | Mr_Queue | I have ksplice centos boxes at work nearing 1000 days. |
| 20:17.51 | zeeflo | ive installed wheezy on this server.. When wheezy goes stable, do i have to do a kernel upgrade? |
| 20:18.30 | Mr_Queue | Hard to say. |
| 20:18.39 | Mr_Queue | wait. |
| 20:18.41 | zeeflo | ok |
| 20:18.51 | Mr_Queue | Not an 'upgrade' but you will have kernel updates. |
| 20:18.53 | frikinz_ | 22:18:41 up 368 days, 18:00, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.07, 0.08 |
| 20:18.54 | in2tactics | i prefer to run stableon my servers |
| 20:18.57 | Mr_Queue | Same. |
| 20:19.02 | Mr_Queue | frikinz_: nice. |
| 20:19.07 | zeeflo | aaand its burning :D |
| 20:19.18 | zeeflo | im gonna try wheezy with gnome on my laptop |
| 20:19.20 | Mr_Queue | All mine are public facing so they get rolled for kernels. |
| 20:19.21 | specing | frikinz_: meh :D |
| 20:19.27 | zeeflo | and get rid of windows forever!! |
| 20:19.32 | frikinz_ | it would be 2 years if one year ago I didn't type halt |
| 20:19.36 | frikinz_ | on the wrong screen |
| 20:19.43 | Mr_Queue | frikinz_: install molly-guard |
| 20:19.45 | zeeflo | :/ |
| 20:19.55 | Mr_Queue | frikinz_: fix that problem forever. |
| 20:19.57 | Max^ | http://uptimeprj.com/toplist/index/en/0-30/UZD/ |
| 20:19.59 | specing | hehe |
| 20:20.06 | Mr_Queue | You can't roll it without typing the hostname. |
| 20:20.07 | specing | frikinz_: # hcf :) |
| 20:20.16 | zeeflo | i thought uptime project was closed down many years ago? |
| 20:20.24 | Mr_Queue | it should be. |
| 20:20.31 | Mr_Queue | It's pretty silly really. |
| 20:20.43 | zeeflo | yea |
| 20:21.40 | zeeflo | look at #30 |
| 20:21.42 | Mr_Queue | You could put a non-networked server in a closet for the next 10 years and not need to rebbot it.. So long as hardware didn't die, what point did you prove? |
| 20:21.51 | zeeflo | windows xp with +1 year uptime |
| 20:22.06 | Mr_Queue | props to that admin. |
| 20:22.07 | zeeflo | thats gotta be an easy machine to make your slave hehe |
| 20:22.09 | specing | Are those SUNS in there just because noone wants to touch them? |
| 20:22.20 | Mr_Queue | No. |
| 20:22.22 | zeeflo | its gotta lack like a million security updates hehe |
| 20:22.26 | Mr_Queue | They run forever. |
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| 20:22.39 | zeeflo | sun is nice! |
| 20:22.44 | Max^ | xp with 3 years 3 month 11d 6h 2m 29s |
| 20:23.05 | Mr_Queue | Unix/BSD has Linux beat there.. Don't get me wrong, I'm all Debian in my place.. But that sun box will run forever.. |
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| 20:23.14 | zeeflo | yea |
| 20:23.17 | zeeflo | looks like it! |
| 20:23.23 | specing | so will Linux |
| 20:23.29 | frikinz_ | so the time about rebooting NT machines every 49 seems over |
| 20:23.29 | specing | unless you shut it down... |
| 20:23.34 | frikinz_ | 49 days* |
| 20:23.45 | zeeflo | look at #2 |
| 20:23.46 | Mr_Queue | specing: If you're on Stable... We have a new kernel today. |
| 20:23.54 | zeeflo | "Mystery box still running at an ISP I used to work for. Will they ever find it and turn it off?" |
| 20:23.56 | zeeflo | haha |
| 20:24.23 | zeeflo | alright.. im ready to test wheezy with gnome on live-cd |
| 20:24.29 | zeeflo | see you guys in a bit :) |
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| 20:29.46 | specing | Mr_Queue: 2.6.32-latest? |
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| 20:34.19 | Mr_Queue | specing: check your email. It was pushed this morning. |
| 20:34.48 | Mr_Queue | The Debian project is pleased to announce the sixth update of its |
| 20:34.49 | Mr_Queue | stable distribution Debian 6.0 (codename "squeeze"). |
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| 20:35.32 | Mr_Queue | Which included a kernel. However, the 2 machines I've updated are complaining about the kernel. I've not rolled them yet. |
| 20:35.55 | Mr_Queue | I have several more which will be updated as soon as I get this ironed out. |
| 20:36.29 | Mr_Queue | http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120929 |
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| 20:37.06 | Zeeflo | guess its not debian on my laptop for me yet :P |
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| 20:41.57 | Mr_Queue | No one else has had a problem with todays update? |
| 20:43.09 | specing | haven't updated |
| 20:43.12 | specing | lazy |
| 20:43.22 | specing | will go do something else instead |
| 20:43.34 | in2tactics | no updates for me... headless remote server |
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| 20:43.52 | specing | Must be hard to run decapitated servers |
| 20:43.55 | in2tactics | well dpkg update butnothin else |
| 20:43.59 | specing | :D |
| 20:44.06 | in2tactics | :) |
| 20:44.12 | simonlnu | not really |
| 20:44.40 | specing | I'd draw a decapitated server in inkscape if I could draw |
| 20:44.58 | specing | instead Im going to wait for someone else to do it |
| 20:45.55 | simonlnu | you would |
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| 20:48.40 | specing | simonlnu: yes, I will wait |
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| 21:00.12 | sayers | #flood |
| 21:00.47 | Max^ | doolf |
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| 21:04.55 | sayers | Why on Debian when I install the Nvidia 96 (GPU drivers) seems they don't work, but the same drivers I am using right now on Ubuntu 10.10 . I will be really grateful for any solution or explanation why is this happening ?! |
| 21:05.51 | epitamizor | ubuntu doesn't restrict non-free software like debian does |
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| 21:06.42 | Zeeflo | ask in #ubuntu |
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| 21:07.01 | sayers | I did that before to came here zeeflo |
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| 21:07.33 | Zeeflo | if they guys in ubuntu cant help you, you supposed people in #debian can/will? |
| 21:07.40 | Zeeflo | the* |
| 21:07.40 | izua | hello. if i install wheezy now, before it becomes stable, and keep updating it, will I end up with wheezy when it is frozen? |
| 21:08.05 | simonlnu | it *is* frozen |
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| 21:08.19 | sayers | the ubuntu's channel is overspamming all the time and I did not had any answer to my particular question |
| 21:08.39 | simonlnu | sayers: not our problem. you run ubuntu, you go there for support |
| 21:08.42 | thewanderer1 | izua: provided that you keep "wheezy", NOT "testing" in /etc/sources, you will end up with Wheezy stable when it becomes stable. note, however, that it is recommended to use the Squeeze installer and dist-upgrade later on. |
| 21:09.04 | sayers | I had no problem with ubuntu guys, read my question better. |
| 21:09.32 | Zeeflo | <epitamizor> ubuntu doesn't restrict non-free software like debian does |
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| 21:09.53 | sayers | In other words will mean .. ? |
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| 21:10.17 | Zeeflo | debian restricts you from getting non-free software |
| 21:10.27 | thewanderer1 | sayers: are you saying, you're trying to install NVIDIA drivers on Debian? what release are you using? what procedure are you applying, and what outcome do you see? |
| 21:10.29 | simonlnu | they must have patched them. also 2 different systems, and thus what they did and what debian did is useless to compare with. if you had the same exact system on 2 different installs, then yes that would work as a comparison |
| 21:10.41 | sayers | 6.0.4 I had few days ago |
| 21:10.43 | simonlnu | shuts up and wanders off |
| 21:10.45 | izua | thewanderer1: i'm not sure how debian upgrading works. |
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| 21:11.03 | izua | what should i get if i want to end up with wheezy when it becomes stable, without reinstalling the whole system? |
| 21:11.23 | Zeeflo | wheezy and just dont use testing in sources |
| 21:11.29 | thewanderer1 | izua: if you do not feel confident with upgrading, you should really stay with Squeeze for now... some upgrade bugs might still not be ironed out |
| 21:11.53 | sayers | I went in synaptic or package manager and just typed "nvidia" and clicked on same drivers (nvidia 96) as I do on ubuntu |
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| 21:12.34 | sayers | installed them and restarted my pc. When I went on YouTube or just scrolling on some website seems the drivers are not working |
| 21:12.40 | thewanderer1 | izua: you could use the testing installer, and install Wheezy right away, but it is not recommended (because the testing installer is exactly what it says - a means to test Debian Installer) |
| 21:13.09 | craigevil | sayers: read the debian wiki page on nvidia |
| 21:13.13 | sayers | Thanks for the explanation on my question. I do understand why that happend. |
| 21:13.44 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't be surprised if Flash is slow, even with NVIDIA drivers installed... I don't think I've ever had run that smoothly :P |
| 21:13.49 | sayers | craigevil: may I have a link |
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| 21:14.34 | craigevil | sayers: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 21:14.42 | sayers | Thank you. |
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| 21:15.58 | simonlnu | same here. didn't matter if the box was loaded or not |
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| 21:16.32 | simonlnu | it always pins the cpu ... |
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| 21:17.27 | Zeeflo | does anyone here have debian installed on a lenovo g770 laptop? |
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| 21:18.41 | thewanderer1 | Zeeflo: rather than asking about the laptop as a whole, try particular components that are not working at the moment :P |
| 21:19.19 | Zeeflo | i tried a wheezy live cd, but my wlan was not recognized... |
| 21:19.37 | Zeeflo | with gnome desktop |
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| 21:20.27 | thewanderer1 | that's possible - wireless often requires firmware |
| 21:20.45 | Zeeflo | is it easy to install firmware for wireless? |
| 21:21.01 | Zeeflo | ive never run a desktop pc with debian.... |
| 21:21.16 | Zeeflo | laptop* |
| 21:21.25 | Zeeflo | or desktop for that matter.. |
| 21:21.37 | thewanderer1 | it's essential that you have a wired connection, otherwise it'll require some juggling of files on pendrives etc. |
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| 21:21.59 | Zeeflo | i have a wired connection available |
| 21:22.13 | Zeeflo | if I need to install things.. |
| 21:22.33 | thewanderer1 | good |
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| 21:22.46 | Zeeflo | but what good will it do me, if I dont know how to after the installation of debian :O) |
| 21:23.04 | thewanderer1 | just continue running on wired till you can figure it out :P |
| 21:23.10 | Zeeflo | nahh |
| 21:23.11 | Zeeflo | hehe |
| 21:23.38 | Zeeflo | i like my laptop being portable! :D |
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| 21:24.04 | thewanderer1 | wireless is usually the most problematic part... and out of 4 laptops I've installed, I've had to launch 4 on the wire first and pull wireless firmware... |
| 21:24.14 | Zeeflo | and I bet im gonna run into problems with the graphic card as well! |
| 21:24.16 | sayers | you can install the wireless drivers via ndiswrapper |
| 21:24.27 | thewanderer1 | ndiswrapper is the last resort |
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| 21:25.04 | thewanderer1 | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi#PCI_Devices |
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| 21:25.32 | Zeeflo | and the graphicscard is a dual AMD / Intel card.. |
| 21:25.40 | Zeeflo | ill bet you im gonna have issues there as well! |
| 21:27.13 | bullgard4 | I created a file ~/.Xresources. I filled it with commands which I found in an Internet blog. I did '~$ xrdb ~/.Xresources'. My urxvt did not react. How can I debug that? |
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| 21:29.00 | Zeeflo | screw it |
| 21:29.19 | Zeeflo | im not good enough with debian to do all this wifi, hybrid graphics etc |
| 21:29.25 | craigevil | bullgard4: create a file named .Xdefaults and put the commands you want in it |
| 21:29.56 | bullgard4 | craigevil: I have done that. |
| 21:30.08 | bullgard4 | craigevil: It has no effect so far. |
| 21:30.44 | sayers | Goodbye guys. |
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| 21:33.28 | frikinz_ | I wonder if .Xdefaults is still taken into account |
| 21:36.21 | Iridos | Zee... |
| 21:36.50 | Iridos | nah, that doesn't help... from what I heard it's really 2 graphics cards |
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| 21:37.12 | morteza | how to work with bluetooth in terminal? |
| 21:37.26 | morteza | how to work with bluetooth in terminal? |
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| 21:37.44 | Iridos | the horror... I probably want to buy another laptop soonish as well, as my last one died |
| 21:38.54 | Iridos | dpkg, bluetooth |
| 21:38.55 | dpkg | Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (http://bluetooth.com/), about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser http://wiki.debian.org/Bluetooth/Alsa . For support of Qualcomm Atheros devices, ask me about <ath3k>. |
| 21:40.52 | morteza | Iridos: the bluetooth is for GUI |
| 21:41.02 | morteza | Iridos: I need text base |
| 21:42.13 | frikinz_ | hci* , like hcitool are tools for bluetooth |
| 21:42.19 | Iridos | nothing suggested in that factoid uses a gui |
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| 21:46.07 | Iridos | weird chap |
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| 21:47.36 | morteza | Thanks guys |
| 21:47.52 | Iridos | heh |
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| 21:53.11 | bullgard4 | I created a file ~/.Xresources. I filled it with commands which I found in an Internet blog. I did '~$ xrdb ~/.Xresources'. My urxvt did not react. How can I debug that? |
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| 21:54.05 | frikinz_ | bullgard4: what about xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources ? |
| 21:54.49 | dario | bullgard4: what frikinz_ says, plus the currently running instances are not affected; only newly started processes use the new settings |
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| 22:00.34 | bullgard4 | frikinz_: Thank you very much for your help. Now it works! I made a mistake: I wrote the word inadvertently with double-s. |
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| 22:00.54 | bullgard4 | dario: Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 22:12.49 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 22:12.59 | un214 | is the uucp account used for anything these days? |
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| 22:13.50 | man_in_shack | what's the best way to add boot scripts to /etc/rc*.d? |
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| 22:14.41 | PatrickC | ok, just installed Debian on my second HDD, went to boot, and got "error: no suck device: ....." |
| 22:14.46 | PatrickC | and then went to grub rescue |
| 22:14.57 | man_in_shack | lol @ "no suck device" |
| 22:15.11 | PatrickC | lol |
| 22:15.14 | PatrickC | stupid keyboard |
| 22:15.16 | man_in_shack | :) |
| 22:15.20 | PatrickC | s/suck/such ;) |
| 22:15.25 | man_in_shack | PatrickC: grub got installed to mbr, yes? |
| 22:15.29 | PatrickC | yes |
| 22:15.35 | PatrickC | well, should have |
| 22:15.39 | PatrickC | the install disk said it did ;) |
| 22:15.53 | man_in_shack | are you sure the bios is booting the 2nd drive? |
| 22:16.11 | PatrickC | should be.. lemme check |
| 22:16.30 | man_in_shack | possible that it got installed to mbr on first drive, i suppose ... |
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| 22:16.43 | PatrickC | that is possible... |
| 22:16.47 | PatrickC | how would i switch it over |
| 22:17.01 | PatrickC | after a reboot i totally just got to the grub boot menu |
| 22:17.04 | PatrickC | what the heck |
| 22:17.07 | man_in_shack | :D |
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| 22:17.18 | man_in_shack | PatrickC: are your two drives the same brand and model? |
| 22:17.22 | PatrickC | but getting errors... |
| 22:17.25 | PatrickC | no, i don't think so |
| 22:17.28 | man_in_shack | yay errors |
| 22:17.46 | format_c | !tell man_in_shack about sysv-rc |
| 22:17.48 | PatrickC | usb 1-2: device descriptor read/64, error -100 |
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| 22:18.37 | PatrickC | looks like it passed those errors, and could be booting |
| 22:18.42 | PatrickC | i have a spinning curser! |
| 22:18.45 | man_in_shack | thanks format_c |
| 22:18.51 | PatrickC | but no mouse or keyboard |
| 22:19.00 | man_in_shack | fun times PatrickC |
| 22:19.04 | PatrickC | at login screen... crap |
| 22:19.07 | PatrickC | time to play heh |
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| 22:21.01 | PatrickC | fixed :D |
| 22:21.03 | PatrickC | thanks guys :P |
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| 22:21.06 | man_in_shack | congrats |
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| 22:22.35 | man_in_shack | is there a template format for a new init.d script? |
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| 22:25.13 | daemonkeeper | /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 22:25.14 | daemonkeeper | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.18 | man_in_shack | thanks |
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| 22:25.32 | themill | man_in_shack: or copy one that does a similar thing to what you plan to do. See also /etc/init.d/README |
| 22:25.49 | man_in_shack | why would i want to do a silly thing like that? :P |
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| 22:35.00 | zykotick9 | daemonkeeper: themill thank you both, 2 nice files to know about ;) |
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| 22:56.53 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 22:57.06 | mrdeb | hello |
| 22:57.36 | Posterdati | is debian-multimedia owned by debian? |
| 22:58.23 | Hydroxide | no |
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| 22:58.58 | nkuttler | !tell Posterdati about dmm |
| 22:59.10 | Hydroxide | Posterdati: to avoid confusion it's also been renamed to deb-multimedia.org. Also it causes problems in many cases and you may find that debian now has the support you need |
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| 22:59.50 | Posterdati | ok, because I need a kde program to rip my dvds and store them as vob files in my external hd |
| 23:00.07 | Posterdati | not to resell but to see them without load the dvd every time |
| 23:00.28 | mrdeb | why did the debian files get renamed to squeeze1 |
| 23:00.34 | mrdeb | when updating |
| 23:00.35 | Posterdati | I'd like to rip video dvds for my personal use |
| 23:00.48 | Posterdati | I used k9copy |
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| 23:08.09 | mrdeb | hi |
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| 23:10.51 | format_c | Mrdeb hi |
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| 23:17.14 | WinstonSmith | Posterdati: dvd::rip. or just copy the dirs from the disc if you have libdvdcss2 installed |
| 23:17.32 | Posterdati | WinstonSmith: ok |
| 23:17.36 | Posterdati | WinstonSmith: tx |
| 23:17.51 | WinstonSmith | your're welcome |
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| 23:20.07 | monode | hello |
| 23:20.21 | monode | how do i make a 16GiB partition in the installer? |
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| 23:21.23 | monode | it detects my hard drive as 1TB, so I assume that if i'll type 16GB i'll end up with 14.9 GiB |
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| 23:22.44 | monode | ideally i don't want to type 17.18 GB, because with rounding, I'll end up with less than 16GiB. |
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| 23:30.49 | monode | wow |
| 23:30.53 | monode | this is silly at best |
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| 23:33.50 | kurtis | Hey guys, I've got a little challenge. I have my home network setup. I'd like to be able to use the hostnames instead of IPs. However, I can't really setup my own DNS because I don't want to disrupt other people's access in case my server goes down and I'm not home to restart it or what-not. We use our Cable Modem/Router for DHCP + DNS at the moment and it's not very configurable short of disabling DHCP all-together |
| 23:34.16 | kurtis | Any alternatives? Other than editing the hosts file on every device in the house? (Multiple tablets, laptops, phones, etc...) |
| 23:34.42 | themill | mdns / avahi? |
| 23:34.59 | monode | kurtis: short of using a custom dns server? |
| 23:35.05 | themill | !mdns |
| 23:35.05 | dpkg | from memory, mdns is a Multicast <Domain Name System> for use on local networks. It is used by <avahi> to set up automagical name resolution using the <.local domain>. |
| 23:35.24 | kurtis | sweet, I'll check avahi out. Isn't that an Apple product? |
| 23:35.29 | kurtis | monode, yeah exactly |
| 23:35.36 | monode | you can also install ddwrt (alt firmware) on your router, and run everything from there. |
| 23:36.20 | kurtis | monode, I was thinking about taking that route since I have several routers (that do nothing but act as dummy Wifi Access Points). Maybe that'd be a good solution |
| 23:36.50 | kurtis | I'll check out mdns first and then give ddrwt a shot. Thanks guys! |
| 23:37.06 | simonlnu | monode: type in exact byte/block count? :P |
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| 23:37.11 | ddtge | hi |
| 23:37.13 | ddtge | what image viewer support animated sideshow? |
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| 23:37.51 | simonlnu | slideshow maybe? |
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| 23:38.37 | monode | kurtis: ehm |
| 23:38.41 | monode | good old fdisk |
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| 23:39.17 | simonlnu | vt2 or v3 >> open terminal >> fdisk >> done |
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| 23:39.36 | ddtge | simonlnu, now i work with feh.. but i cat't find a way to do animated transition. |
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| 23:44.38 | frikinz_ | ll |
| 23:44.49 | frikinz_ | oops |
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| 23:48.11 | Iridos | duh, when gnome3 just doesn't see you connected an usb disk... how'd one debug that |
| 23:49.01 | Iridos | only interesting thing in dmesg (apart from that it's recognized) is [sdc] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA |
| 23:49.47 | Iridos | and yeah, root at least can mount it |
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| 23:56.11 | eduende | msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 23:57.06 | Iridos | dpkg, pal eduende |
| 23:57.07 | dpkg | points at eduende and laughs uproariously |
| 23:58.15 | eduende | dpkg |
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