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| 00:24.43 | veryhappy | hi guys i hope you can help me: i'm about to make a headless server out of my pentium 3 |
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| 00:25.07 | veryhappy | i just don't know how to set x11vnc as standard instead of Xorg |
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| 00:27.27 | veryhappy | be right back |
| 00:27.49 | Coded11 | veryhappy: why x11vnc? |
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| 00:32.15 | cjae | hello. I squeeze installed and need to get wifi going. My wifi is supported under iwlegacy kernel driver. But I think I could just get a newer kernel from synaptic that supports this chipset. Or is that incorrect? |
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| 00:36.08 | abrotman | cjae: lspci -nn, what's the device ? |
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| 00:37.14 | cjae | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG abrotman |
| 00:38.12 | abrotman | cjae: you probably just need to install the firmware and reboot |
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| 00:39.35 | abrotman | cjae: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb |
| 00:39.41 | cjae | abrotman, no problems later when device is just supported by kernel |
| 00:39.55 | abrotman | cjae: shuld be supported in squeeze |
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| 00:40.03 | cjae | abrotman, so just look up firmware insynaptic |
| 00:40.19 | abrotman | cjae: have you enabled non-free repositories in synaptic ? |
| 00:40.33 | cjae | keyboard is missing some keys so... |
| 00:40.47 | cjae | abrotman, ya i believe it is |
| 00:40.52 | abrotman | doesn't use synaptic |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | cjae: okay, so search for 'iwlwifi' .. see what it comes back wiht |
| 00:41.11 | veryhappy | Coded11: i'm back. i want to use x11vnc to make a headless server out of my pentium 3 |
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| 00:41.26 | abrotman | veryhappy: why does the server need X ? |
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| 00:41.50 | veryhappy | abrotman: this is NOT a server in the actual sense |
| 00:42.04 | abrotman | well, stop calling it such :) |
| 00:42.42 | veryhappy | This is an old Pentium3 that i just want to use over vnc because i don't have so much monitor and it lives in a cardboard with the mainboard and so on |
| 00:43.12 | abrotman | cardboard .. what could go wrong ... |
| 00:44.00 | veryhappy | abrotman: :D you could say i'm a geek |
| 00:44.01 | veryhappy | :D |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | or a firebug .. |
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| 00:44.45 | veryhappy | abrotman: don't care about that |
| 00:45.29 | damacus | veryhappy: dunno about x11vnc, but i've used tightvnc-server |
| 00:45.44 | damacus | and its pretty simple to run X services without anything running on the video card |
| 00:45.54 | damacus | you just define screens in a file in /etc |
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| 00:46.03 | veryhappy | damacus: ok, did you use it as a replacement for the Xserver? |
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| 00:46.13 | damacus | you dont need an x server installed |
| 00:46.21 | damacus | you need the X environment stuff |
| 00:46.38 | damacus | but tightvnc server becomes in essence its own x server |
| 00:46.47 | veryhappy | damacus: i already installed the xserver with kde and so on |
| 00:47.28 | damacus | http://news.metaparadigma.de/linux-setting-up-a-debian-vnc-server-237/ |
| 00:47.31 | damacus | check that out |
| 00:47.33 | damacus | ok, well, that's fine |
| 00:47.37 | damacus | you dont have to remove anything |
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| 00:47.41 | damacus | just some things won't get used |
| 00:47.48 | veryhappy | ok |
| 00:48.01 | damacus | basically you'll start a screen eg :1 and then vnc in to ip:5901 |
| 00:48.02 | abrotman | i think he's asking how to make the VNC server work .. |
| 00:48.05 | damacus | and will see the x environ |
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| 00:49.12 | damacus | abrotman: if the box is headless, not sure why youd even want to bother doing the screen-sharing piece I'm assuming you're referencing (where someone can VNC in and see a mirror of the physical console?) |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | damacus: don't ask me .. not my box .. he's just asking how to setup VNC |
| 00:50.47 | damacus | i think tightvnc-server will do what he wants |
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| 00:55.12 | veryhappy | i read a little bit, but that's on gdm not on kdm |
| 00:55.19 | veryhappy | is it possible to set it up for kdm as well? |
| 00:55.25 | damacus | yep |
| 00:55.30 | veryhappy | ok |
| 00:55.30 | damacus | tightvnc-server can do a wide range of things |
| 00:55.41 | damacus | generally you don't use a login manager in it, but you can |
| 00:55.51 | damacus | you can go from something as specific as only running a specific app or basic xterm |
| 00:55.59 | damacus | up to running a full session environment |
| 00:56.07 | veryhappy | well for you guys to understand why i want to use the vnc thing, i have the mainboard in the cardboard, and nothing is connected except a wifi stick |
| 00:56.24 | damacus | thats fine |
| 00:56.29 | veryhappy | so later on i want to start the computer, let it boot up, and it automatically starts the xserver vnc |
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| 00:58.04 | cjae | whoever helped me thanks it worked |
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| 00:58.21 | cjae | didnt have logging enabled |
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| 01:00.13 | abrotman | cjae: all working ? |
| 01:02.17 | cjae | abrotman, ya man thanks. just was wondering if the third party firmware is going to cause issue when card is supported directly from kernel. Thats why I thought I could just be as easy to install newer kernel |
| 01:02.36 | veryhappy | do i actually have to make it dependent on kdm or can't i just start the vncserver instead of the x server that i'm using right now? |
| 01:02.51 | damacus | for now |
| 01:02.56 | damacus | just install it |
| 01:03.06 | cjae | cjae, or is it not going to be supported? |
| 01:03.08 | abrotman | cjae: the firmware is required for operation |
| 01:03.08 | damacus | and run it with the defaults |
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| 01:03.28 | damacus | you dont need to run kdm on console |
| 01:04.18 | cjae | abrotman, ya but this is just a workaround until someone writes kernel support for chipset ...no? |
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| 01:04.33 | cjae | abrotman, or am i confused |
| 01:04.46 | LtL | veryhappy: throw a extra ground wire on that motherboard to the PS case, 14 AWG or better. just a tip :) oh and a grounded three prong AC cord |
| 01:05.18 | veryhappy | damacus: well, i just want to be sure that you understood what i really want to achieve: i want to start a vnc server instead of the current xserver |
| 01:05.28 | abrotman | cjae: depends if that ever happens .. for now, you're tied to that firmware |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | cjae: the kernel already has support for the chipset, but requires the firmware for operation |
| 01:06.08 | Media_Deb | Anyone know how I can check the librxtx-java version? |
| 01:06.08 | veryhappy | LtL: where do i get something like that? |
| 01:06.13 | damacus | veryhappy: sounds good. to ensure you're not wasting ram on console stuff, you can keep your runlevel at 3 (text only) |
| 01:06.25 | abrotman | Media_Deb: packages.debian.org |
| 01:06.27 | damacus | can still then start vncserver at boot for vnc-only |
| 01:06.39 | cjae | abrotman, sorry i thought it was already supported in newer kernels |
| 01:06.41 | LtL | veryhappy: did i read you say this mobo is on cardboard or something? |
| 01:06.51 | abrotman | cjae: it is, but the firmware is still required |
| 01:07.19 | cjae | abrotman, so disc utility cannot resize partitions |
| 01:07.21 | p8m | cjae: wifi firmware is software the runs on the wifi card itself. It doesn't run on your cpu and is not a proprietary driver like nvidia drivers are |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | cjae: uh what? |
| 01:07.36 | veryhappy | LtL: i removed all the metal on the mobo and it's only the board that's in the cardboard now together with the powersupply |
| 01:07.43 | LtL | veryhappy: just use a piece of household 'romex' wiring, thats about 12 gauge, point being, ground the hell outa everything. |
| 01:08.09 | Media_Deb | abrotman, I know Squeeze has librxtx-java2.2pre2-2 on it, but I just tried installing experimental and want to make sure it did update. |
| 01:08.13 | veryhappy | LtL: where do i have to connect this? |
| 01:08.36 | cjae | abrotman, sorry switched topics |
| 01:08.47 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:08.56 | cjae | abrotman, think i might need gparted |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | for what? to resize? |
| 01:09.39 | veryhappy | at which path Xorg is running? |
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| 01:10.31 | cjae | abrotman, ya |
| 01:10.37 | LtL | veryhappy: run the ground wire from one of the motherboard mounts that is a grounded connection to the mainboard, run that to the PS with a sheet metal screw, dont damage the PS, just be sure the whole assembly is properly grounded just as it would be in a metal case. |
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| 01:11.25 | veryhappy | LtL: ok, thank you |
| 01:11.39 | cjae | abrotman, will I be able to resize my /home if im currently logged in? |
| 01:11.47 | abrotman | cjae: doesn't seem like a good idea? |
| 01:11.54 | LtL | veryhappy: and use a three prong AC plug from the PS, which they all use to a properly grounded outlet... which some are not. |
| 01:11.58 | abrotman | cjae: would you like the construction company to move your house while you're inside? |
| 01:12.09 | cjae | hahaha no |
| 01:12.33 | cjae | maybe then they would be more careful then they are lol |
| 01:13.54 | cjae | so if I created system without a root user then what. cause I could just log in as root then do resizing ? |
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| 01:15.03 | cjae | just switched to usb kb :) |
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| 01:16.31 | \0x90\ | anyone built a 10 raid0 arrays each consisting of one disk ? |
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| 01:18.47 | veryhappy | thanks |
| 01:20.47 | Media_Deb | I figured it out |
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| 01:21.02 | Media_Deb | I mean well I didn't figure out how to find what I have... |
| 01:21.06 | Media_Deb | which would be useful |
| 01:21.10 | \0x90\ | cmon, i thought i'm gonna at least tickle someone with this question |
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| 01:21.26 | Media_Deb | but I did figure out that I didn't update it initially |
| 01:21.33 | Media_Deb | now I'm running pre2-11. |
| 01:21.50 | Media_Deb | 10 raid 0 arrays |
| 01:22.44 | Media_Deb | with single disk? |
| 01:23.01 | Media_Deb | you mean a 10 disk raid 0 array? |
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| 01:23.39 | \0x90\ | 10 raid arrays, each consisting of single hdd. so basically.. yes it would be in raid, but serve no purpose |
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| 01:23.53 | Media_Deb | While performance would be decent, failure rate would be effectively multiplied. |
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| 01:24.09 | \0x90\ | but normal usage is having 2 disk in a array |
| 01:24.14 | \0x90\ | i would be having a broken array basically |
| 01:24.16 | Media_Deb | Ok i get it now |
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| 01:24.31 | Media_Deb | that's... useless |
| 01:24.50 | \0x90\ | actually it is not |
| 01:25.20 | Media_Deb | What's the point? |
| 01:25.21 | \0x90\ | because i can't access the disks directly. |
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| 01:25.37 | \0x90\ | the disks are connected to compaq smart controller |
| 01:26.01 | \0x90\ | and can be only accessed if i create a raid on the controller. |
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| 01:26.13 | \0x90\ | but i don't want to use raid for these disks |
| 01:26.43 | \0x90\ | so if i make 10 raid0 arrays .. one for each disks i hhave, i would be able to access the disks |
| 01:26.50 | \0x90\ | but i don't know what the implications of this would be. |
| 01:27.09 | \0x90\ | if any. |
| 01:27.17 | Media_Deb | Personally.. I have no idea why you'd wanna do that |
| 01:27.25 | Media_Deb | No performance increase... |
| 01:27.27 | \0x90\ | because i can't access the disks |
| 01:27.40 | \0x90\ | the linux is not detecting disks, physical disks |
| 01:27.54 | \0x90\ | unless they are in raid |
| 01:27.55 | Media_Deb | Don't use a RAID card then |
| 01:28.12 | Media_Deb | Or turn off the RAID function |
| 01:28.28 | \0x90\ | im using raid on two ssds that serve as a / |
| 01:28.29 | abrotman | or have it setup the arrays correctly |
| 01:28.54 | Media_Deb | Then that's why you can't pick up the other disks |
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| 01:29.09 | Media_Deb | The other disks are kinda switched off |
| 01:29.17 | Media_Deb | because you have the SSD Array enabled |
| 01:29.24 | Media_Deb | You'd have to define the other drives to another array |
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| 01:29.46 | \0x90\ | the othher drives are 10x2tb disks, that i want to access directly |
| 01:29.50 | Media_Deb | but you want each of the other disks accessible independently don't you? |
| 01:30.07 | cjae | how do I logout via the xterminal? |
| 01:30.15 | cjae | gnome-seesion-quit? |
| 01:30.16 | \0x90\ | but since i'm 10 thousand km from the server, its a bit of a problem to do any changes like that |
| 01:30.26 | \0x90\ | i'm doing everything through ilo/kvm |
| 01:31.27 | \0x90\ | so only option is to pull out the raid card or disconnect the 10 disks from it.. or do raid0 thing i wrote above |
| 01:31.43 | \0x90\ | btw, on top of this, there will be drbd mirroring all this to another server. |
| 01:32.01 | LtL | cjae: type exit? |
| 01:32.35 | Media_Deb | I don't know if you can even define a single disk raid array. |
| 01:32.40 | cjae | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.15 | \0x90\ | Media_Deb, my friend actually proposed this to me... he did it before, had the same problem but didn't mention the implications. |
| 01:33.41 | Media_Deb | I don't think there'd be any issues |
| 01:33.42 | \0x90\ | i guess he didn't know (the system wasn't critical for him) |
| 01:33.47 | LtL | cjae: ah, i'm not sure other that logout from the menu |
| 01:33.50 | Media_Deb | It'd be just like having a single independent disk |
| 01:33.58 | Media_Deb | theoretically |
| 01:34.31 | LtL | cjae: keep asking, it's init something, i never use it |
| 01:34.41 | Media_Deb | I would still run a Raid 1 array just in case |
| 01:34.43 | cjae | ok |
| 01:35.07 | \0x90\ | the thing is when i do this, i can't change later... and i never did this before, so it's kinda experimenting on a production system which, after 11yrs of doing this job.. i'm not fond of |
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| 01:36.10 | \0x90\ | i would be using drbd to do raid-1 over network to another set of disks, on different server |
| 01:36.27 | \0x90\ | the content is critical and huge, need to do. |
| 01:37.13 | \0x90\ | now have 6x1 tb on two servers, drbd master/slave mode works perfectly for 2 years. |
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| 01:37.24 | Media_Deb | cjae the command is tellinit 0 |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | Media_Deb: that's not what he's asking |
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| 01:37.41 | LtL | cjae ctrl-alt F1 OUGHTA WORK, then ctrl-alt f7 to get back to X |
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| 01:38.27 | Media_Deb | abrotman, Sorry I must have missed something. I was told he wanted to shutdown gnome via terminal |
| 01:38.30 | abrotman | cjae: are you asking how to log out of gnome? or shutdown the box? |
| 01:38.32 | cjae | LtL, but then the session would still be running |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | Media_Deb: that's not what that command does |
| 01:39.00 | cjae | abrotman, logout of gnome-shell |
| 01:39.00 | LtL | cjae: yeah i believe so, you want console right? |
| 01:39.11 | abrotman | cjae: and do what?! what state do you want the machine to be in ? |
| 01:39.16 | cjae | no gdm |
| 01:39.30 | abrotman | cjae: so you want X to shutdown ? |
| 01:39.35 | Media_Deb | \0x90\, Yeah I can't say for sure. Sorry :\ |
| 01:39.37 | cjae | nope |
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| 01:40.07 | cjae | just like what the logout button in gnome does |
| 01:40.07 | abrotman | cjae: then please describe what state you want the machine in |
| 01:40.16 | \0x90\ | killall Xorg |
| 01:40.20 | cjae | x running at gdm screen |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | cjae: the easiest way, as root "/etc/init.d/gdm? restart" |
| 01:40.30 | Media_Deb | tellinit 5 |
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| 01:40.34 | abrotman | Media_Deb: no ... |
| 01:40.41 | \0x90\ | cjae, depending on how its configured .. the server it will respawn and go to login prompt. |
| 01:40.48 | Media_Deb | ...I have no idea what he's trying to do then |
| 01:40.49 | abrotman | cjae: restarting GDM is the simplest way I know of |
| 01:40.49 | \0x90\ | i like killall ... it's such a nice command. |
| 01:40.51 | cjae | yeah |
| 01:40.59 | \0x90\ | nicely named. |
| 01:41.01 | abrotman | \0x90\: right, "depending" |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | so much horrible advice |
| 01:41.25 | \0x90\ | well i guess he know ... and even if its not, he can start it manually. |
| 01:41.28 | cjae | thanks |
| 01:41.49 | Media_Deb | I don't know what he is trying to accomplish |
| 01:42.14 | \0x90\ | Media_Deb, kill the gnome session from prompt, instead of clicking log out with a mouse |
| 01:42.14 | LtL | me neither |
| 01:42.22 | Media_Deb | Oh |
| 01:42.24 | abrotman | Media_Deb: so you first tell him to go to run level 0 (shutdown) and then go to runlevel 5, which in Debian, menas nothing |
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| 01:42.54 | Media_Deb | I thought he just wanted to shutdown |
| 01:43.01 | Media_Deb | which is why I told him to go to 0 |
| 01:43.04 | cjae | so I never enabled a root user on install, but now after sudo passwd root and desginating a password. I still cannot login from gdm as root |
| 01:43.08 | abrotman | cause 0 and 5 are the same .. |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | cjae: that's normal, you sohuldn't run X as root |
| 01:43.33 | cjae | but I temporaily wan to |
| 01:43.37 | Media_Deb | Yeah I'm confused. I don't do it often |
| 01:43.41 | cjae | yeesh |
| 01:43.42 | Media_Deb | I'm either in text mode |
| 01:43.43 | Media_Deb | or not |
| 01:43.52 | Media_Deb | I don't switch between both often |
| 01:43.52 | abrotman | !tell Media_Deb about enter |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | cjae: then you use a program to run programs as root in your X sessoin |
| 01:44.09 | Media_Deb | Sorry |
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| 01:44.35 | cjae | abrotman, but then I am logged onto /home and cannot resize it |
| 01:44.53 | abrotman | cjae: doing what? |
| 01:45.02 | cjae | ? |
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| 01:45.05 | LtL | cjae: you can't resize a mounted drive |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | cjae: oh, to resize thepartition ? |
| 01:45.14 | cjae | yes sorry |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | cjae: can't you run parted from the command line ? |
| 01:46.07 | Media_Deb | Debian is different whoops |
| 01:46.08 | Media_Deb | my bad |
| 01:46.15 | cjae | I guess I could just logout and switch to ttyl1 right |
| 01:46.36 | Media_Deb | Dang it. Sorry I'm trying not use use the enter key so often. |
| 01:47.17 | cjae | tty 2* |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | or tty1 |
| 01:48.08 | Media_Deb | In Fedora, Runlevel 1 is Single user, 3 is multiuser text, and 5 is GDM/KDE etc |
| 01:48.12 | cjae | so there must still be a way to login as root so I can use a browser for instructions for parted and such |
| 01:48.20 | cjae | brb |
| 01:48.32 | abrotman | Media_Deb: this isn't #fedora, there are many differences |
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| 01:49.07 | Media_Deb | Yes I know there is many differences, I was listing WHY I posted those. I was confused. I'm new to Debian and was unaware of that difference. |
| 01:49.13 | Media_Deb | are* |
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| 01:49.43 | Media_Deb | Forgive me for being new and trying to help another newbie. |
| 01:50.03 | cjae | b |
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| 01:50.40 | Media_Deb | Meanwhile I'm still having an issue with my Alps Touchpad and the mouse buttons sticking. |
| 01:50.45 | Media_Deb | It's not mechanical |
| 01:50.48 | Media_Deb | it's purely software |
| 01:51.05 | cjae | so there must still be a way to login as root so I can use a browser for instructions for parted and such |
| 01:51.10 | Media_Deb | I've defined a conf in xorg.conf.d |
| 01:51.22 | Media_Deb | and it didn't make a single difference. |
| 01:51.25 | cjae | hates man pages especially in tty |
| 01:51.32 | i5noc | lol |
| 01:51.51 | cjae | is shook |
| 01:51.54 | i5noc | try www-browser or lynx2 or links2 |
| 01:51.55 | abrotman | Media_Deb: there's a nice section about the synaptics driver on the Debian wiki |
| 01:52.08 | LtL | cjae: why cant you su to root from X in a terminal again? |
| 01:52.11 | \0x90\ | Media_Deb, dont know whats your problem, but i have an alps touchpad.. and was trying to disable double clicks.. can't do it. the driver is messed up... apparently. that might be your problem as well. |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | LtL: he wants to resize /home/ |
| 01:52.27 | i5noc | you can run x in a terminal/tty |
| 01:52.30 | i5noc | use framebuffer |
| 01:52.35 | Media_Deb | I then tried enabling and disabling Accessibility in an effort to troubleshoot and discount a "sticky keys" issue... which did nothing. |
| 01:52.44 | Media_Deb | abrotman, I'll check that out. Thanks |
| 01:52.45 | LtL | abrotman: now i understand. |
| 01:53.05 | i5noc | er nvm |
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| 01:53.25 | cjae | i5noc, those browsers are neat |
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| 01:53.35 | i5noc | cjae, can be very useful |
| 01:53.36 | Media_Deb | \0x90\, Yeah I have one with the trackpoint stick and it's annoying to click on something and it keep the mouse button locked. I have to click the button like 3-4 times to get it to release. It's maddening. |
| 01:53.47 | i5noc | also, you can just use curl if you can read html |
| 01:53.59 | i5noc | output to tty and keep cookies somewhere :P |
| 01:54.04 | i5noc | But, that's a lot of work. |
| 01:54.22 | cjae | LtL, because would still be accessing/home which I want to partition |
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| 01:54.36 | i5noc | cjae, how about we back up just a tad since i may have missed it |
| 01:54.39 | LtL | cjae: yeah, i undestand now. |
| 01:54.41 | i5noc | is /home and / on different partitions? |
| 01:54.54 | cjae | LtL, my /home is on separate partition |
| 01:55.06 | cjae | yes |
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| 01:55.49 | cjae | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.54 | LtL | cjae: i would use a boot cd like gparted, but thats me. |
| 01:56.08 | cjae | but I cannot login from it |
| 01:56.15 | abrotman | cjae: stop trying to use X as root .. |
| 01:56.23 | i5noc | yes |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | you can run parted from the CLI |
| 01:56.30 | i5noc | ^---- |
| 01:56.38 | i5noc | gparted is for gui btw |
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| 01:56.46 | abrotman | holy sunday ... |
| 01:57.06 | cjae | LtL, was trying not to go boot cd road |
| 01:57.08 | i5noc | and you have several options btw, first, you can set a temp pass for root, then wipe it out later. its just a matter of populating a hash in /etc/passwd |
| 01:57.24 | i5noc | but i think if you sudo -i to root, then you should have no issue umounting home |
| 01:57.45 | cjae | abrotman, why I know it dumb to do but dont care about this machine strictly learning |
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| 01:57.57 | abrotman | cjae: so learn how to do it the right way .. |
| 01:57.57 | i5noc | otherwise 'sudo passwd root' and set one. then drop to tty1-6 and kill gui. then unmount home |
| 01:59.01 | cjae | i5noc, ok |
| 01:59.01 | i5noc | ah your on xchat right now, so your in gui still? |
| 01:59.07 | cjae | yep |
| 01:59.12 | i5noc | in gui, just save steps to a text file y0 |
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| 01:59.22 | i5noc | then you can less/cat/vi/nano it from root. |
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| 02:00.05 | cjae | does less print without cat? |
| 02:00.10 | i5noc | yes |
| 02:00.13 | i5noc | less is mroe |
| 02:00.17 | i5noc | s/mroe/more |
| 02:00.18 | cjae | right |
| 02:00.25 | i5noc | so, basically they both read a file |
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| 02:00.51 | cjae | cool thanks for help all |
| 02:01.03 | cjae | Im sure ill be back still |
| 02:01.07 | i5noc | do you know the commands to do the actual shrinking once the partition is unmounted? |
| 02:01.14 | i5noc | also, please install screen and irssi |
| 02:01.18 | cjae | no always used gui |
| 02:01.23 | abrotman | parted has documentation he can read, and he should read |
| 02:01.59 | cjae | rtfm !!!!!!! :) |
| 02:02.04 | abrotman | indeed |
| 02:02.16 | i5noc | screen -qS irssi <- executes a screen called irssi; screen -ls <-- shows what screens there are; ctrl+a (let go of keys) d <--- gets out of screen; screen -r <pid> <-- rejoin's a screen |
| 02:02.25 | i5noc | maybe read that manpage as well |
| 02:02.30 | i5noc | lots of good stuff, like passwords ;) |
| 02:02.39 | i5noc | no need to not have a continuous conversation during this |
| 02:02.46 | abrotman | i5noc: perhaps just point him at documentation? |
| 02:03.06 | i5noc | abrotman, yeah... forgot i could here.. |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | wonders where you can't ... |
| 02:03.23 | i5noc | says NOTHING |
| 02:03.34 | cjae | again thanks |
| 02:03.51 | LtL | cjae: you sure parted is installed, its not by default. |
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| 02:04.45 | i5noc | cjae, do you know how to query system/dpkg if a package is installed? (man dpkg) |
| 02:05.16 | cjae | I have gparted already |
| 02:05.21 | \0x90\ | or just write which parted or parted -h, easier. |
| 02:05.37 | cjae | sudo apt-cache search package I think |
| 02:06.10 | i5noc | \0x90\, sure, that will tell you where its binary lives if it happens to be installed.. how about dpkg -l <pkgname> |
| 02:06.15 | LtL | cjae: dpkg -s parted |
| 02:06.48 | \0x90\ | he just wants to know if its installed or not anyway. |
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| 02:07.30 | \0x90\ | so if command is available.. its installed he can even do par<tab><tab>. why lose time typing something like dpkg -l/s/apt-get |
| 02:07.40 | \0x90\ | it's precious. |
| 02:07.47 | i5noc | spose why not, save keystrokes |
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| 02:08.41 | abrotman | you assume it's in his path .. |
| 02:08.47 | i5noc | I tend to do 'dpkg -l|grep -e x -e y -e z' when I look for things |
| 02:08.59 | cjae | so I thought gparted relied on parted but says parted not installed and gparted is |
| 02:09.12 | i5noc | so install it ;) |
| 02:09.17 | \0x90\ | abrotman, of course i do. if he didn't 'customize' his operating system its in his path. |
| 02:09.31 | \0x90\ | and i doubt he did. |
| 02:09.36 | abrotman | \0x90\: no, Debian doesn't include /sbin/ or /usr/sbin/ in a regular user's path |
| 02:09.49 | \0x90\ | uhm |
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| 02:09.52 | i5noc | heh |
| 02:10.00 | i5noc | \0x90\, abrotman's hard to beat |
| 02:10.05 | \0x90\ | yeah, that's another thing i was meaning to write |
| 02:10.09 | mroe_ | is there a decent distro somewhere between debian and ubuntu? |
| 02:10.10 | i5noc | lol |
| 02:10.10 | \0x90\ | when it came to saving keystrokes |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | mroe_: Debian? :) |
| 02:10.22 | cjae | Package `parted' is not installed and no info is available |
| 02:10.23 | \0x90\ | sudo su - when you do administration work. |
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| 02:10.24 | i5noc | mroe_, distrowatch.com lists many |
| 02:10.26 | abrotman | mroe_: ask ##linux, they may have a better idea |
| 02:10.37 | mroe_ | abrotman: ok |
| 02:10.46 | \0x90\ | abrotman, i suppose this is even more horrible advice |
| 02:10.53 | cjae | Package: gparted |
| 02:10.53 | cjae | Status: install ok installed |
| 02:10.54 | \0x90\ | then the killall one.. |
| 02:10.59 | cjae | oops |
| 02:11.00 | mroe_ | and I'll check out distrowtch. I'm looking for something not as bloated as ubuntu but less idealistic than debian |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | \0x90\: to me, that's pretty bad |
| 02:11.43 | abrotman | \0x90\: especially when he can 'dpkg -l "*parted*"' to see what parted packages he has installed, as a normal user |
| 02:12.01 | \0x90\ | he's doing administration work |
| 02:12.05 | \0x90\ | not a normal user work |
| 02:12.10 | i5noc | hey abrotman ive been meaning to ask, why can you not use *regex* with apt-cache search? |
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| 02:12.17 | \0x90\ | but .. this is philosphy now |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | \0x90\: he was checking to see if a package was installed, he cannot resize his partition while his user is logged in, we've already coivered that |
| 02:12.58 | abrotman | i5noc: i've never tried, but you could use egrep to filter i suppose |
| 02:13.09 | i5noc | abrotman, sounds like what i do already ;O |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | i5noc: not sure aptitude search can do that or not |
| 02:13.25 | \0x90\ | doh.. you'r right. |
| 02:13.27 | i5noc | E: Regex compilation error <- |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | or grep-dctrl |
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| 02:19.36 | Onixs_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.55 | i5noc | Well, how deleted are they? |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | Onixs_: that's the big one .. photorec rings a bell also |
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| 02:21.57 | Onixs_ | it was rm |
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| 02:22.32 | i5noc | well hopefully its not been writing files to disk |
| 02:23.12 | Onixs_ | i did it onec before, just forgot the name. its a cli |
| 02:23.22 | Onixs_ | not testdisk nor photorec |
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| 02:23.37 | i5noc | @abrotman what about foremost ? |
| 02:23.51 | abrotman | i said rang a bell, means i know testdisk the most |
| 02:24.12 | i5noc | sudo foremost -w -i /dev/[PARTITION] -o /recovery/cache/folder |
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| 02:24.21 | i5noc | Ack; didn't mean to imply otherwise |
| 02:24.32 | Onixs_ | extundelete! |
| 02:24.38 | i5noc | o |
| 02:24.41 | cjae | so if I just tell parted resize <partition #> it should ask start and end so then I could just enter 0 and 100000 to make the partition end at 100 gb or so |
| 02:25.01 | Onixs_ | oh no |
| 02:25.10 | LtL | uh boy /o\ |
| 02:25.14 | Onixs_ | not extundelete.. lol |
| 02:26.22 | i5noc | Well, i'm not psychic, so i'd say try something new if you can? |
| 02:26.42 | i5noc | but then again, i say stuff all the time, please feel free to filter me out O: |
| 02:27.05 | cjae | can I use parted on xfs |
| 02:28.33 | i5noc | woah |
| 02:28.40 | i5noc | Are you saying your /home is xfs? |
| 02:29.48 | cjae | yes |
| 02:30.02 | i5noc | shakes head |
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| 02:30.45 | i5noc | ok so lets talk about man pages |
| 02:30.47 | i5noc | man parted |
| 02:30.51 | i5noc | then to search: |
| 02:30.57 | abrotman | xfs supports online resize |
| 02:32.14 | i5noc | to grow |
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| 02:32.52 | i5noc | http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ ; You can NOT make a XFS partition smaller online. The only way to shrink is to do a complete dump, mkfs and restore. |
| 02:32.53 | i5noc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.20 | abrotman | pretty sure he wants to expand it |
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| 02:35.56 | i5noc | cjae, ? |
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| 02:39.01 | \0x90\ | what are the xfs read performances. many small files .. like 1 tb of small files. any experience ? compared to let's say ext4 |
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| 02:39.22 | \0x90\ | and read experiences on partitions with many large files .. same.. 1 tb of them. |
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| 02:40.03 | caimlas | \0x90\, ext4 will win |
| 02:40.33 | caimlas | \0x90\, depending on how the files are laid out in directories, threading, and how the filesystems are built of course... |
| 02:41.50 | cjae | sorry changing laundry |
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| 02:41.53 | \0x90\ | was meaning some default values |
| 02:42.04 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i understand when wheezy is in testing mode, the os is not as secured as stable but what happens when it's in the freeze mode, is the security holes patched more quickly, ie: as frequent as stable |
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| 02:42.28 | caimlas | paranoidphreak, yes and no |
| 02:42.34 | cjae | I want to shrink to setup another partition |
| 02:42.48 | abrotman | paranoidphreak: no |
| 02:42.50 | caimlas | paranoidphreak, you're really not asking a question which can be answered here. |
| 02:43.04 | caimlas | testing means testing, freeze means freeze, stable means stable |
| 02:43.19 | cjae | grow online? |
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| 02:43.34 | caimlas | those are some pretty concrete concepts -mostly- understood by people who write and use software (fbsd developers withstanding) |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | paranoidphreak: in stable, the fix can be introduced immediately after performing regression tests, etc .. in 'testing', the package has to pass through unstalbe first, which can take 2- 10 days |
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| 02:44.42 | cjae | so I can increase the size of partition while using it butnot shrink it |
| 02:45.27 | paranoidphreak | abrotman: what about in the freeze state? does it have the same process as testing? |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | paranoidphreak: i'm not sure what oyu mean .. 'testing' is frozen, 'unstable' is what we call "slushy" |
| 02:46.14 | cjae | i5noc, |
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| 02:48.08 | cjae | cool ive have never seen gnash work before : ) |
| 02:48.12 | paranoidphreak | abrotman: oh......i thought frozen is out of the testing faze because new packages aren't introduced |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | paranoidphreak: i think you're confused |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | paranoidphreak: normally, we have stable, testing, unstable .. when testing nears release (as it is now), it's frozen .. the result is that unstable becomes slushy |
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| 02:50.32 | paranoidphreak | abrotman: ahhhhhh, thanks for clearing it out |
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| 02:51.08 | abrotman | !tell paranoidphreak about releases |
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| 02:53.18 | LtL | cjae: you should look at this graph/ boot cd. http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php |
| 02:53.45 | LtL | cjae: its not a very big iso |
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| 02:54.20 | abrotman | taking all the fun out of it :) |
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| 02:54.51 | LtL | and a fair amount of risk :) |
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| 02:59.26 | cjae | LtL, fuuk it cant be shrunk |
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| 03:01.03 | LtL | cjae: i believe abrotman already said that, or omeone did. |
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| 03:03.00 | LtL | cjae: gparted live has a text mode or gui, its a nice safe tool, just so you know. |
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| 03:38.46 | i5noc | so i'm counting a point for myself abrotman re shrinking :D |
| 03:40.25 | LtL | i5noc: +1 |
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| 04:09.26 | ShaggyTwoDope | i got a really weird problem lol, install shiki-colors and it put some gnome stuff in as well. |
| 04:09.34 | ShaggyTwoDope | but not fluxbox wont load lol |
| 04:09.37 | ShaggyTwoDope | now** |
| 04:10.43 | ShaggyTwoDope | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 04:33.53 | Aristotle | FUCK OBAMA |
| 04:33.57 | Aristotle | GO GO MITT ROMNEY |
| 04:34.07 | Aristotle | TEA PARTY OWNZ! |
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| 04:38.55 | Shadur | !ops Aristotle is trying to troll. |
| 04:38.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, ):, helix, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen: shadur complains about: Aristotle is trying to troll. |
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| 05:09.53 | sauvin | Debian Squeeze; Rosegarden et al from repos (no backports). No sound. How-to? |
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| 05:48.06 | planet | why is my debian machine not having any /dev/ram* |
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| 05:51.12 | planet | damn, no one is here |
| 05:52.02 | niels1 | what brings you to that conclusion? |
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| 05:54.49 | pentagon | help |
| 05:54.54 | pentagon | i cant get a clean iso |
| 05:55.11 | pentagon | open a scure tunnel and send me a clean iso |
| 05:55.38 | dondelelcaro | planet: if you want tmpfs, just use that. |
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| 05:55.46 | pentagon | HALP! |
| 05:55.52 | pentagon | it is important damnit |
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| 05:56.24 | dondelelcaro | planet: why can't you just download a netinst iso and check the md5sum? |
| 05:56.43 | pentagon | HALP! |
| 05:56.43 | niels1 | pentagon ^^^ |
| 05:56.54 | planet | niels1, ls /dev/ram* does |
| 05:57.00 | pentagon | because its coming out of a russian server |
| 05:57.16 | pentagon | the reverse vnc keeps homing in past my firewall |
| 05:57.24 | planet | dondelelcaro, netinst? what the hell are you talking about |
| 05:57.45 | niels1 | planet, he meant pentagon |
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| 05:58.08 | planet | ah hhahahhaha |
| 05:58.13 | planet | damn that kid is troubled |
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| 06:02.30 | no_gravity | Hello Everybody! Everytime after boot, I manually do "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2". Whats the best way to automate that? |
| 06:03.38 | niels1 | no_gravity, if it's a fixed drive, you may want to add it to your /etc/fstab |
| 06:04.15 | no_gravity | niels1: how would i do that? |
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| 06:04.43 | no_gravity | niels1: isnt there some startup script that gets executed on every boot where i can put "mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2"? |
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| 06:05.09 | niels1 | no_gravity, open /etc/fstab in an editor as root. for example in vim or nano. look at the other entries and add yours in a likewise fashion |
| 06:05.48 | no_gravity | niels1: i thought so. but the other entries do not refer to devices like /dev/sda2. they refer to uuids. |
| 06:06.13 | niels1 | no_gravity, you can refer to UUIDs as well. or use /dev/sda2, if you really prefer that |
| 06:06.17 | no_gravity | Isnt a general startup script more elegant? |
| 06:06.30 | no_gravity | Where one could put all kinds of customizations. |
| 06:06.34 | niels1 | no_gravity, "blkid" shows you the UUID to drive mappings |
| 06:06.35 | no_gravity | Not only mounting drives. |
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| 06:07.07 | niels1 | no_gravity, you can write a general script, but drive mounting is better done in /etc/fstab if possible |
| 06:07.13 | no_gravity | niels1: why? |
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| 06:07.30 | no_gravity | maybe a softlink in /etc/init.d/ would do it? |
| 06:07.52 | niels1 | no_gravity, because it's all in one place there. and its the place where everyone expects to find drives that are mounted at startup |
| 06:08.06 | no_gravity | hmm.. |
| 06:08.24 | no_gravity | ok, ill put it there for now. |
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| 06:08.41 | niels1 | no_gravity, for other things, you can write an init script, no problem with that. there's a skeleton script there that you can use as template |
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| 06:10.01 | no_gravity | niels1: i need a template? cant i just write a normal script and softlink it from somewhere? |
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| 06:10.59 | niels1 | no_gravity, you _should_ at least look at the template. and the normale way is to put the script directly into /etc/init.d/. it gets symlinked to /etc/rc?.d/ by using update-rc.d |
| 06:12.27 | no_gravity | niels1: hmm... i would want it on my data partition where all my stuff is. so i would put it there and symlink it from /etc/rc?.d/ (what should i use for "?"?) |
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| 06:13.12 | no_gravity | niels1: the benefit over fstab is that i can have one startup script that all my debian installations use. |
| 06:14.15 | niels1 | no_gravity, no, you shouldn't symlink it into /etc/rc?.d/ yourself. if you really need it on a different partition, symlink it into /etc/init.d/ and then use update-rc.d to create the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 06:14.53 | niels1 | no_gravity, well, i don't stop you from mounting it in your script. it's your choice. i can just recommend you the best practise |
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| 06:16.54 | no_gravity | niels1: why should i not symlink it myself? |
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| 06:17.05 | niels1 | no_gravity, there may be occasions where mounting it in a script would be better. but i don't know your environment good enough to see whether this or that way would be better |
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| 06:17.55 | niels1 | no_gravity, because all other symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ of all the other startup scripts are managed by update-rc.d, and it also manages the order, when dependency based start scripts are used |
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| 06:18.24 | niels1 | no_gravity, if you symlink it there yourself, update-rc.d will mess up your planned order next time or even remove your symlink |
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| 06:19.03 | no_gravity | why would it remove it? the order of mounting that drive is not really important. |
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| 06:19.45 | sauvin | Can anybody help with snd_rtctimer? |
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| 06:20.47 | niels1 | no_gravity, i don't know if it removes it. but i could imagine it, i never messed manually there myself since insserv . /etc/rc?.d/ is the domain of update-rc.d. |
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| 06:21.42 | niels1 | no_gravity, why don't you just follow the template, symlink it into /etc/init.d/ and then use update-rc.d? |
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| 06:33.01 | lgp171188 | Hi, I just installed wheezy from the weekly iso DVD. When I connected my external USB drive which is formatted as NTFS. It doesn't mount automatically on plugging in. The drive shows up in the Nautilus and when I try to mount it I get an error saying that unprivileged users cannot mount external devices using NTFS-3g and that I might need setuid/compiling FUSE support into NTFS-3g. I did a dpkg-reconfigure and configured ntfs-3g to use setuid root, but |
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| 06:34.31 | ompaul | lgp171188: that cut off at the point root, but |
| 06:35.36 | ompaul | lgp171188: (A) the iso you used is not an install iso - it is a tool to check if the installer works, subtle but different (B) the right way to go to wheezy is to install stable and dist-upgrade from there |
| 06:35.53 | ompaul | (C) if you have to compile on debian something is very wrong or you are doing it wrong |
| 06:36.07 | ompaul | (D) if it is very wrong, check the bug tracking system |
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| 06:44.20 | lgp171188 | ompaul: I searched the internet for similar errors and found out that there is an entry in the fstab for the same device and on removing that, with the setuid root enabled, the automount worked properly. I don't want to compile and install stuff on a modern day distro, unless it is absolutely unavoidable :) |
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| 06:45.47 | lgp171188 | And one more query I have here. I want to use the bleeding edge iceweasel and icedove in my wheezy installation, as the ones installed by default are a bit old. I checked out mozilla.debian.net but it asks me to add experimental to my sources.list, which I am skeptical of doing. How to make this work? |
| 06:46.21 | peterrooney | lgp171188: backports is better. |
| 06:46.24 | peterrooney | !backports |
| 06:46.24 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 06:46.57 | peterrooney | !bpo |
| 06:46.58 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
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| 06:47.09 | peterrooney | can't always remember the correct factoid first time around |
| 06:48.20 | lgp171188 | peterrooney: the bot's description says it is for the current stable distribution. I am already on testing, and does it apply for testing as well? |
| 06:48.51 | simonlnu | backports are useless for testing |
| 06:49.23 | lgp171188 | simonlnu: So is there a recommended way to install the latest iceweasel and icedove on testing? |
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| 06:50.17 | lgp171188 | I am half-tempted to download the zip files from Mozilla and use Firefox and Thunderbird, but that doesn't come with the goodies of apt |
| 06:50.29 | simonlnu | fetch the sid one? and this isn't recommended. not in here anyway. |
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| 06:51.16 | lgp171188 | simonlnu: By manually downloading or by pointing to the appropriate repository? |
| 06:51.28 | niels1 | what's the hype with the latest iceweasel anyway? does it have features that are worth upgrading? |
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| 06:51.50 | lgp171188 | niels1: Thunderbird has support for IM in its latest version. |
| 06:52.48 | niels1 | i see. well, i use Psi+, so i wouldn't need that |
| 06:52.49 | simonlnu | lgp171188: for IW, obviously just fetching it from sid or mozilla.debian.net |
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| 06:54.12 | lgp171188 | simonlnu: My question then would be, mozilla.debian.net asks me to add 'experimental' to my sources.list. Is it possible to install only iceweasel and icedove from there and leave the rest of the packages at wheezy? |
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| 06:56.10 | simonlnu | experimental is not a full release |
| 06:56.43 | ompaul | lgp171188: it can't do anything else as long as you use -t it will install |
| 06:56.58 | peterrooney | lgp171188: I don't know. |
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| 06:58.54 | blackshirt1 | hello |
| 06:59.11 | blackshirt1 | actually, how we can disable some service on booting ? |
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| 07:00.06 | Blue1 | blackshirt1: i use rcconf -- but there are others |
| 07:01.05 | blackshirt1 | Blue1: what the default installed on debian system ? |
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| 07:03.23 | Blue1 | blackshirt1: no you must install it manually |
| 07:04.07 | blackshirt1 | Blue1: I mean, for tool that's already has been installed, I don't want to install other tool |
| 07:04.42 | Blue1 | blackshirt1: I thought you wanted to remove startup programmes - that is how I do it. |
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| 07:05.52 | Blue1 | alrighty then -- |
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| 07:13.17 | arvind_khadri | Hi, I was migrating users from one host to another, I copied the /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow file. Now I was moving their home directories, so when I try to do a chown, I get an error saying invalid user. What am I doing wrong?? |
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| 07:16.28 | KsM | arvind_khadri: there's a copy of each of the passwd, shadow and group files |
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| 07:16.48 | KsM | passwd- shadow- and group- |
| 07:16.55 | KsM | both need to be changed |
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| 07:18.02 | arvind_khadri | KsM, oh ok :) |
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| 07:24.18 | cheeseboy | whats better, a dmraid (bios) or a mdadm (raid via linux tools) |
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| 07:25.29 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: depends on your definition of better... more flexible is mdraid, depending on the HW, the HW Raid can be faster. |
| 07:25.49 | specing | "can"? |
| 07:25.55 | specing | imho it always is |
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| 07:27.35 | ChrisH | specing: there is stange HW out in the real world :) |
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| 07:28.04 | cheeseboy | whith either can I add more disks later on? |
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| 07:28.20 | specing | ChrisH: Dell? |
| 07:28.33 | Iridos | "don't take cookies from strange HW"? |
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| 07:31.03 | liable | heh, the ops list here hasnt changed in years :) |
| 07:31.04 | ChrisH | specing: I saw slow HW Raids and even worse, a failed disk crashed the raid. |
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| 07:32.39 | cheeseboy | when I tested it i windus i thin it was lie 800/800mb/s |
| 07:32.50 | cheeseboy | like* |
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| 07:33.08 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: With SW Raid you need to specify the number of disks planned during creation. The options a HW Raid offer depend on the the Controller. |
| 07:33.19 | specing | Windows, now thrashing disks at 800MB/s! |
| 07:33.48 | cheeseboy | heh |
| 07:34.23 | cheeseboy | was just some tool to test if my harddrive could keep up with my hdmi capture card |
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| 07:35.10 | specing | so you can get a 5-minute capture? :O |
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| 07:39.06 | cheeseboy | specing, 5 minute? |
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| 07:40.04 | ChrisH | We did some time a ago performance Tests with SW Raid 6 over 8 Disks vs HW Raid 6 over 8 Disks and HW Raid was about 2 througput |
| 07:40.33 | specing | cheeseboy: 500M/s on a 250G disk :D |
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| 07:42.56 | cheeseboy | specing, dunno what you're talking bout :/ |
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| 07:46.41 | jelly-home | cheeseboy, ChrisH: a bios dmraid is as software based as md raid. If you're only going to have Linux on that machine, use mdadm and forget the bios option |
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| 07:47.58 | jelly-home | cheeseboy: just put the controller into "ahci" mode in bios instead of raid or ide or whatever |
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| 07:49.12 | cheeseboy | network controller needs non free firmware files >:| |
| 07:49.44 | ChrisH | jelly-home: You are right, I thought he was talking about a real[tm] HW Raid showing only one Raid devicefiles. If its such a fake-raid then use mdraid! |
| 07:50.24 | jelly-home | if it were real there would be no mention of "dmraid" |
| 07:50.39 | cheeseboy | where can I get rtl8168f-1.fw ? |
| 07:51.03 | ChrisH | jelly-home: my mistake... I read dmraid as hw raid |
| 07:51.29 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: firmware-realtek: /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw |
| 07:51.47 | cheeseboy | then whys installer whiining if its there? |
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| 07:52.13 | jelly-home | cheeseboy: is it there really? Did you take the unofficial installer image with firmware? |
| 07:52.35 | cheeseboy | mebe |
| 07:52.47 | cheeseboy | i used unetbootin cuz no cd |
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| 07:53.03 | jelly-home | !firmware image |
| 07:53.04 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Squeeze are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. For DVD images, see http://deb.li/3tGse |
| 07:53.07 | cheeseboy | it seemed to dl the stuff from your server tho |
| 07:53.32 | jelly-home | cheeseboy: oh, you have internet connectivity? |
| 07:53.40 | jelly-home | cheeseboy: install the firmware later, then |
| 07:53.48 | cheeseboy | hmm no |
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| 07:54.01 | cheeseboy | i made installer usb from laptop |
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| 07:55.33 | cheeseboy | is there a guide to installing w/ mdraid? |
| 07:56.06 | cheeseboy | !mdadm |
| 07:56.06 | dpkg | mdadm is a tool for administering Linux multi-disk (MD) arrays. Debian mdadm FAQ: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mdadm/mdadm.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/FAQ;hb=HEAD . Linux RAID mdadm FAQ: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mdadm-faq . See also <MD>. |
| 07:56.15 | cheeseboy | :/ |
| 07:56.17 | jelly-home | cheeseboy: read the install guide. |
| 07:56.25 | cheeseboy | !install |
| 07:56.26 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <various cd1>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 07:56.53 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell cheeseboy about install guide |
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| 07:57.56 | cheeseboy | bleh ctrl+f raid turns up nothing |
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| 08:00.03 | cheeseboy | jelly-home, see nothing bout raids there |
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| 08:01.00 | jelly-home | cheeseboy: oh? http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition |
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| 08:03.23 | cheeseboy | jelly-home, well that looks like french to me. dmraid was 9001x easier |
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| 08:05.51 | cheeseboy | jelly-home, im looking for a how to guide not ac definition of raids |
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| 08:08.10 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: install mdraid with the installer. mcuh simpler then afterwards |
| 08:08.36 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, how? |
| 08:09.31 | ChrisH | expert install? configure SW Raid/MDraid is one menu point in partitioning fisks |
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| 08:11.27 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: I did it quite often with and without encryption. MD-Raid -> LVM |
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| 08:13.18 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: in english http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SoftwareRaidRoot skip the quemu part and start at Create partitions for RAID |
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| 08:34.45 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, i messed up n itll only let me use 1 disk :/ |
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| 08:36.11 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: But you have 2 disks? >2TB? You did first create the parttions on these disks in identical sizes? |
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| 08:37.17 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, 4 disks 250gb each |
| 08:37.25 | cheeseboy | i want raid 0 |
| 08:38.04 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: where dou you want to boot from? I assume its clear that raid0 means, 1 disk failure all data gone! |
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| 08:39.08 | omid8bimo | hello, how can i view and then increase the ulimit (FD) size of mongodb process? |
| 08:39.32 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: from a running process? |
| 08:39.43 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: what do u mean? |
| 08:40.02 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, im not worried bout data loss |
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| 08:40.19 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: you have a processes with PID want to get the current limits |
| 08:40.38 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, i wan't to boot from the raid |
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| 08:41.06 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: yes. with "ps fax | grep -i mongo" i got the parent PID |
| 08:42.47 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, i'm bout to give up and just dmraid |
| 08:42.52 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: cat /proc/PID/limits |
| 08:42.56 | cheeseboy | this is impossible |
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| 08:43.08 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: give someone time to answer |
| 08:43.30 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: wow! i didnt know this! cool info! thanks |
| 08:43.44 | cheeseboy | this is my only day off :( i don't have time to idle ll day |
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| 08:43.51 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: now, FD is 1024, how can i know how much is in use? |
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| 08:44.21 | bhasker | /proc/PID/fd gives a list of fds open |
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| 08:45.11 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: I suggest to create a RAID1 on 2 Disks for /boot about 100MB or so. create the same 100MB for swap the othe remaining disks, Then create a parttion with the remaining space on all disks. |
| 08:45.20 | omid8bimo | so "ls | wc -l" is an accurate number here? |
| 08:45.24 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: I suggest to create a RAID1 on 2 Disks for /boot about 100MB or so. create the same 100MB for swap the othe remaining disks, Then create a parttion with the remaining space on all disks. |
| 08:45.33 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: wc -l is OK |
| 08:45.54 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, i can't crete any sort of raid |
| 08:46.13 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: then RAID0 or RAID 1 for swap and Raid0 over the the remaining parts |
| 08:46.20 | omid8bimo | my issue on this is that lsof gives me different stat! |
| 08:46.28 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: can you pastebin anything? |
| 08:46.43 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, pastebin what? |
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| 08:46.50 | omid8bimo | like /proc/PID/fd is around 200 but "lsof | grep -i mongodb | wc -l" gives me like 3000 |
| 08:46.52 | cheeseboy | instllers just being useless |
| 08:47.27 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: run lsof -p PID | wc -l #there is more than one mongodb process I assume |
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| 08:48.20 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: oh ok this output is more closer to /proc/PID/fd. kinda like 50 apart |
| 08:48.33 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: If its Debian installer you can do it that way. But I do not know where you are lost now. Pastebin fdisk -l and cat /proc/mdstat would be a starting point |
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| 08:48.47 | omid8bimo | so now final question, how can i increase the FD limit of 1024? |
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| 08:49.52 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: man limits.conf or put a ulimit command into the startscript. |
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| 08:50.37 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: great. thanks alot. i'll try these. does limits.conf in /etc/security needs a reboot to take effect? |
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| 08:54.20 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: I am unsure, but restarting the processes is needed at least. reboot does not harm :) |
| 08:54.42 | omid8bimo | ChrisH: all right. thankss alot pal :) |
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| 08:54.51 | ChrisH | omid8bimo: yw |
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| 09:16.12 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, whats point of lvm? |
| 09:16.19 | cheeseboy | its just mesing it all up |
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| 09:21.57 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: LVM is a more flexible way of handling diskspace. You can create flexible filesystem from your Raid0 |
| 09:22.21 | cheeseboy | well t creates lvm then i cant do anything with it |
| 09:22.30 | cheeseboy | hardly flexible |
| 09:23.04 | kwork | cheeseboy: maybe you should read about lvm a bit more |
| 09:23.08 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: You choose manual disksetup? anything guided or automatic did never worked for me. |
| 09:23.11 | kwork | if you say its not flexible |
| 09:23.26 | cheeseboy | kwork, im saying it doesnt wor |
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| 09:23.38 | cheeseboy | so ima go without i guess |
| 09:23.55 | ChrisH | cheeseboy: I asked a while ago to pastebin fdisk -l and cat /proc/mdstat is that possible? |
| 09:24.19 | cheeseboy | ChrisH, i got it working |
| 09:24.23 | cheeseboy | minus lvm |
| 09:24.26 | kwork | cheeseboy: works for me, you should have boot on non lvm part, otherwise works like a charm |
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| 09:27.21 | subb1 | hi all |
| 09:28.28 | subb1 | Apart from "update-rc.d service1 defaults" , do we need to make any edit to /etc/init.d/service1 script to make the server1 run at boot time |
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| 09:28.29 | subb1 | ? |
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| 09:29.41 | ChrisH | subb1: given you are using SystemV Init and confirmed the links have been created and not only prepared, you only need to reboot |
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| 09:30.41 | subb1 | ChrisH, yes its systemV and i can see symlink in /etc/rcN.d/service1 pointing to /etc/init.d/ directory. |
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| 09:32.12 | ChrisH | subb1: then its expected to work. Sounds like you are seeing a differnt thing? |
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| 09:37.17 | Sevet | subb1: some services also have a /etc/default/service1 file, some of which may contain variable(s) you need to modify to enable the daemon |
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| 09:39.03 | Sevet | other than that, their normal config files too |
| 09:39.04 | Sevet | update-rc.d is the only thing needed to get it to run the init.d script at boot, whether it actually manages to start would also be up to its config |
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| 09:40.43 | v4nelle | Guys i am confused... Some people suggest just dist-upgrade for upgrade from squeeze to wheezy, but on debian docs i run that becore dist-upgrade i must install the new kernel and the udev package... What must i do? |
| 09:41.26 | v4nelle | S/run/read |
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| 09:42.05 | brontosaurusrex | anything special to do to make flvtool2 really work? |
| 09:42.27 | Sevet | v4nelle: dist-upgrade should be all you need |
| 09:42.56 | Sevet | if it's a new machine there's also a beta of the wheezy installer available |
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| 09:43.11 | ChrisH | v4nelle: But you should be on latest squeeze first, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade first |
| 09:43.20 | Sevet | !tell v4nelle about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 09:44.27 | ChrisH | likes the last sentence in dpkg's squeeze->wheezy |
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| 09:45.02 | v4nelle | ChrisH on upgrade docs of debian i havent read that... But i install minimal squeeze last night via bussinesscard so i must be up to date... |
| 09:46.04 | Sevet | those docs might be out of date, a lot of docs i've seen still talk as if etch/lenny were the latest |
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| 09:47.13 | Sevet | if you're using wheezy you should be aware it's not yet released and that you hit occasional problems as a result of that, hence dpkg's last sentence |
| 09:47.49 | v4nelle | Ok guys... Thank you |
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| 09:50.17 | Sevet | v4nelle: btw if you're upgrading for a newer version of a package, rather than to play with the next version, you'd be better off with squeeze-backports |
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| 09:52.32 | kavakava | I want to compile an generic initrd and tought Debian's is a good place to start. any idea where I can find the list of modules it loads? |
| 09:52.58 | ksk | kavakava: its magic afaik |
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| 09:53.29 | ksk | you can tell him to put modules in you like in /etc/initramfs-tools thogh |
| 09:53.40 | ksk | theres its config in general. |
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| 09:55.39 | kavakava | ksk: hah. great :D |
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| 09:57.26 | ChrisH | ksk: magic was my feeling, too |
| 09:58.01 | ksk | there are bashscripts that find out what you will need afaik, but that is kinda lika magic imho ;) |
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| 10:00.21 | jelly | kavakava: apart from initramfs-tools, dracut from fedora and rhel6 is also nice and highly pluggable |
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| 10:05.44 | wkhan113 | Hi, Is there a way to check every command entered through the shell? Sort of like a list of command history |
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| 10:06.03 | Sm0ke0ut | ~/.bash_history ? |
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| 10:06.58 | themill | note that ~/.bash_history won't have *every* command entered and is not a security mechanism |
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| 10:08.05 | wkhan113 | Thanks for the reply, I want all commands by all users, inc root. Is it also possible to grab the times they were entered as well. Maybe a third party application? |
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| 10:08.22 | themill | dpkg: tell wkhan113 about bash eternal history |
| 10:08.31 | themill | (but still not a security mechanism) |
| 10:09.03 | wkhan113 | Sorry, I want it as a security mec. |
| 10:09.05 | Sm0ke0ut | especially not if they just switch to sh or something :) |
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| 10:09.36 | themill | or change their PROMPT_COMMAND to /usr/lib/ubuntu-amazon/prompthandler |
| 10:09.59 | wkhan113 | I'll explain, I'm supervising a group of students, they have all got their own users and also the root pass. I want to monitor what them |
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| 10:12.09 | wkhan113 | Also the commands entered in a MySQL shell and the logs for that. Where are they located? |
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| 10:12.25 | themill | so you could do all this from PROMPT_COMMAND if you wanted |
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| 10:19.42 | peterrooney | wkhan113: also, check script, designed for recording terminal sessions. |
| 10:21.10 | wkhan113 | peterrooney: Sorry, what is that> |
| 10:21.12 | wkhan113 | ? |
| 10:22.20 | milligan | Trying to configure contact lookup via LDAP in icedove. What should Base DN and Bind DN be set to ? |
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| 10:22.46 | themill | wkhan113: a program called "script". It records everything that goes to the terminal, but doesn't nicely separate out the commands typed from the output they generate |
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| 10:25.21 | wkhan113 | Thank you |
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| 10:26.45 | cheeseboy | so I installed nvidia stuffs and ran nvidia-xconfigand now im left with a flashing cursor :/ |
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| 10:32.03 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf, you probably don't need it. |
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| 10:32.53 | mercy | hiya! |
| 10:32.57 | bittin^work | i |
| 10:32.58 | bittin^work | hi |
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| 10:33.06 | mercy | need a little help understanding devices in linux |
| 10:33.14 | mercy | hard drives to be more precise |
| 10:34.02 | mercy | i am working on debian.. and i am trying to set it up on my laptop.. which is pretty old (2 years), anyways, its still working just fine when i run live linux, however i am trying to determine what i can do to fix the hard drive |
| 10:34.18 | mercy | so what i am trying to know is what are /dev/sda* |
| 10:34.23 | mercy | are they all hard drives?? |
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| 10:35.15 | _KaszpiR_ | sda - usually a device, like fisrt SATA device |
| 10:35.21 | _KaszpiR_ | hda - first ide device |
| 10:35.28 | themill | mercy: sda would be your 1st hard drive, sda1 is the first partition on that device |
| 10:35.31 | mercy | i ran e2fsck /dev/sda7 and i got the "Super block invalid.. Bad magic number in super-block.." |
| 10:35.35 | themill | (hda is no longer used) |
| 10:35.42 | _KaszpiR_ | sdb - secod device, sdc - third ... and so on |
| 10:35.53 | mercy | ohh |
| 10:35.54 | mercy | ok |
| 10:35.56 | _KaszpiR_ | sda1 - first partition |
| 10:36.10 | _KaszpiR_ | see fdisk -l to see partitions |
| 10:36.14 | mercy | e2fsck /dev/sda gave me an error |
| 10:36.23 | mercy | bad magic number, etc.. the same error |
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| 10:37.18 | _KaszpiR_ | first try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 10:37.31 | _KaszpiR_ | see the list of partitions and their types |
| 10:37.42 | _KaszpiR_ | and you can fix those that are ext |
| 10:37.56 | _KaszpiR_ | there may be some other partitions |
| 10:38.26 | mercy | yes.. there are a couple of partitions, |
| 10:39.04 | mercy | i see a heading called system, |
| 10:39.11 | mercy | under which most of them are linux |
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| 10:39.21 | mercy | and one extended, and one linxu swap / solaris |
| 10:39.26 | _KaszpiR_ | yea |
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| 10:39.49 | mercy | ohh, so the extended one is the ext filesystem |
| 10:39.55 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, then it uses nv |
| 10:40.07 | _KaszpiR_ | no |
| 10:40.12 | mercy | btw, keep in mind i dont care about losing the hard drive data, since i already took backups |
| 10:40.15 | _KaszpiR_ | ext is extfs |
| 10:40.34 | _KaszpiR_ | extended partition is a partition used to store there another partitions |
| 10:41.40 | mercy | ohh.. makes sense that way, no wonder all the other systems fit into the extended one |
| 10:41.49 | _KaszpiR_ | mercy i suggest to read this: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ |
| 10:42.14 | mercy | thxn.. i am pretty noob when it comes to linux partitions and such |
| 10:42.16 | _KaszpiR_ | it's gonna take some time but will help you greatly |
| 10:42.45 | _KaszpiR_ | it's general info about partitions and some specific commands used under linux to operate with them |
| 10:42.49 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: is the nvidia kernel module loaded? |
| 10:43.04 | EmleyMoor | Partitioning, however you do it, can be fun but mistakes made during it can be hard to fix. |
| 10:43.20 | thewanderer1 | mercy, you might be interested in smartctl to check the hard drive's health |
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| 10:43.38 | mercy | _KaszpiR_ cool.. i will, any suggestions about how i can start fixing my hard disk, like reformat it |
| 10:43.39 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, i dunno |
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| 10:43.52 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 10:43.56 | _KaszpiR_ | mercy you want to restore data from the disk? |
| 10:43.57 | CoolCold | hello |
| 10:44.00 | mercy | sadly i am limited on my choice, i am running everying off a live debian usb |
| 10:44.08 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, on every other distro you just install nvidia run nvidia-xconfig .. |
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| 10:44.20 | CoolCold | are there any debian dev related channel? |
| 10:44.27 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: yes, but if the nvidia kernel module is not loaded, anything else you do is for naught |
| 10:44.38 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, not loaded |
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| 10:44.49 | thewanderer1 | CoolCold, if you want packaging help, try #debian-mentors on OFTC (not freenode) |
| 10:45.03 | CoolCold | thewanderer1: something like this, yes |
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| 10:45.18 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: did you follow this? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 10:45.34 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, yes |
| 10:45.49 | thewanderer1 | mercy, hint: you probably have cfdisk installed, which is easier to use than fdisk ;P |
| 10:45.55 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: did you unload nouveau, or nv first? |
| 10:46.14 | _KaszpiR_ | one of the best tools to restore data is testdisk |
| 10:46.17 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, i rebooted |
| 10:46.23 | CoolCold | i want to add custom additions to packages (like adding logrotate entries and such), but do not want to try to remember what has been done by me on every upstream (debian) package update, to do less work to "sync" my packages with debian ones |
| 10:46.31 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: is that what the instructions said? |
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| 10:47.03 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, said restart gdm |
| 10:47.06 | cheeseboy | same thing |
| 10:47.16 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: you may have to explicitly disallow nv or nouveau from running, by blacklisting it in /etc/modprobe.d... |
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| 10:48.38 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: look at the Troubleshooting section of the article I linked to |
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| 10:50.41 | mercy | _KaszpiR_ i just ran badblocks /dev/sda |
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| 10:50.54 | mercy | so i was wondering if badblocks is any good |
| 10:51.15 | ectospasm | I've never had luck with bad blocks |
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| 10:53.03 | niels1 | good for what is the question. every tool has its use case |
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| 10:56.54 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, complertly ignoring blaclist |
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| 10:58.06 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: when are you testing this? If you edit blacklist, you need to reboot to make the changes take effect, or rmmod/modprobe -r the modules you blacklisted |
| 10:58.26 | cheeseboy | i rebooted |
| 10:58.31 | cheeseboy | still loaded |
| 10:58.39 | ectospasm | pastebin your blacklist.conf |
| 10:59.41 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, why? |
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| 10:59.52 | cheeseboy | it says blacklist nouveau |
| 10:59.52 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: because I think you did something wrong |
| 11:00.05 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: is it nouveau, or nv you need to blacklist? |
| 11:00.14 | cheeseboy | nouveau |
| 11:00.21 | ectospasm | lsmod | grep nouveau |
| 11:00.29 | cheeseboy | ... |
| 11:00.33 | cheeseboy | its loaded |
| 11:00.37 | cheeseboy | like i said |
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| 11:00.51 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: I can' |
| 11:01.02 | cheeseboy | ectospasm ? |
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| 11:01.06 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: I can't help you if you don't help me. |
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| 11:01.19 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: pastebin your blacklist.conf.... |
| 11:01.27 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, theres no point |
| 11:01.36 | cheeseboy | it says what you told me to put |
| 11:01.52 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: fine |
| 11:02.17 | ectospasm | if you don't want me to help you, I won't. |
| 11:02.33 | ectospasm | ...but I'm almost positive you've got a typo in blacklist.conf |
| 11:02.36 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, you implying i typo'd i didn't |
| 11:02.48 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: fine, be that way. |
| 11:03.08 | ectospasm | if you didn't typo then nouveau would be blacklisted and would NOT be loaded. |
| 11:03.35 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, well i didn't and it loaded it |
| 11:03.50 | ectospasm | cheeseboy: then you're doing something wrong. I'm ignoring you now. |
| 11:04.07 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, well its not my typing |
| 11:04.15 | cheeseboy | so what else could be wrong |
| 11:04.31 | SiDz | well he dont know, as you dont want to pastebin your blacklist file |
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| 11:04.45 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, no point its 1 line |
| 11:05.00 | cheeseboy | blacklist nouveau |
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| 11:06.52 | cheeseboy | ectospasm, see anything wrong there? |
| 11:07.04 | cheeseboy | I think not, now can we move on? |
| 11:07.07 | ectospasm | too bad, I turned off my ignore too late |
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| 11:07.15 | ectospasm | I didn't see the pastebin |
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| 11:07.27 | cheeseboy | ITS ONE LINE |
| 11:07.36 | cheeseboy | why would i pastebin it |
| 11:07.48 | ectospasm | you never said that earlier |
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| 11:08.02 | ectospasm | and I was ignoring you before |
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| 12:29.57 | codekK | hi all, how i can install my printer drivers on debian? |
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| 12:32.06 | sephii | codekK: what's your printer? |
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| 12:32.42 | babilen | codekK: Depends on the printer -- I typically use http://localhost:631 (if cups is installed) to add a new printer. The tricky part is finding the correct driver (PPD), but databases such as http://www.openprinting.org/printers helps with that. Which printer do you use? |
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| 12:35.13 | lgp171188 | Hi, I downloaded firefox tarball from mozilla website and tried to run ./firefox and ./firefox-bin from the extracted directory. The files are there, but bash says "bash: ./firefox: No such file or directory". I am on debian testing amd64. What could be the issue here? |
| 12:35.20 | Coudy | Hi, I'm using -o pipefail in my scipt, but cron can't run it. It show error set: 15: Illegal option -o pipefail on Debian Squueze |
| 12:35.53 | babilen | lgp171188: Why are you not using Iceweasel? You can easily install it from the repositories and it might even work! |
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| 12:36.06 | lgp171188 | I already have iceweasel |
| 12:36.56 | lgp171188 | the latest iceweasel installed from experimental seems kind of buggy with Gmail. So wanted to test the same with the latest firefox before drawing conclusions. |
| 12:37.03 | babilen | Coudy: That seems to be bash specific and you'll find that /bin/sh is *not* necessarily bash (but dash) on Debian. If you want to use bash specific features use /bin/bash not /bin/sh |
| 12:37.13 | babilen | ,v iceweasel |
| 12:37.14 | judd | Package: iceweasel on i386 -- lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.16-11~bpo50+1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.5.16-16; squeeze: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-17; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-18; squeeze-backports: 10.0.6esr-1~bpo60+1; squeeze-backports: 10.0.7esr-2~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.7esr-2; wheezy: 10.0.7esr-2; experimental: 15.0.1-1 |
| 12:37.37 | codekK | babilen, i use HP Photosmart D110 |
| 12:37.46 | codekK | is a wifi printer |
| 12:38.07 | Coudy | babilen: I have #!/bin/bash in my script |
| 12:38.33 | Coudy | babilen: I can run this script from bash, but I can't from cron |
| 12:38.47 | babilen | lgp171188: Well show me "ls -l ." and the exact command + output on http://paste.debian.net -- You might also want to use http://mozilla.debian.net versions as I'm not sure about the one that has been uploaded to experimental (it is experimental after all!) |
| 12:39.15 | babilen | Coudy: Hmm, ok. That was my first guess |
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| 12:40.44 | babilen | !tell codekK -about hplip |
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| 12:41.14 | babilen | codekK: I've never had a wireless printer and am not entirely sure how that would work. Is it essentially a network printer? |
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| 12:41.58 | codekK | yes |
| 12:42.13 | babilen | codekK: Well, play with hplip (HP seems to indicate that that would work) |
| 12:42.42 | codekK | babilen, ok thank you |
| 12:42.48 | codekK | im now installing hplip |
| 12:42.57 | lgp171188 | babilen: The command and output are here - http://paste.debian.net/194910/ . mozilla.debian.net asked me to add experimental to my sources.list and then install iceweasel from it. I installed iceweasel from that, but when I type in the Gmail chat window from that iceweasel, it seems to be very sluggish to show the characters in the chat window. So wanted to check with mozilla's version and find out if it happens with that as well. |
| 12:42.59 | codekK | After install it work or need to configure something? |
| 12:43.00 | codekK | u know? |
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| 12:44.51 | babilen | codekK: It looks as if hplip gets you a configuration wizard such as the one shown on http://screenshots.debian.net/package/hplip -- But also take a look at the hplip-doc's documentation (/usr/share/doc/hplip*) |
| 12:45.15 | ChrisH | codekK: hplip showed up be very easy to use in my case. run hp-toolbox and check what happes |
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| 12:45.31 | lgp171188 | babilen: the default iceweasel that comes with wheezy doesn't seem to have this issue. |
| 12:45.43 | codekK | ChrisH, thanks |
| 12:45.54 | babilen | lgp171188: Which version of Debian do you use? |
| 12:46.09 | lgp171188 | debian wheezy amd64 |
| 12:47.06 | babilen | lgp171188: Could you show me "ldd ~/Downloads/firefox/firefox" and "ls -l ~/Downloads/firefox/firefox" ? I would recommend to just use the iceweasel version in wheezy (I mean it is 10 vs 15, so maybe 10 weeks older?!) |
| 12:47.54 | SomeoneWeird | is it possible to add another dns server for only a certain tld? |
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| 12:49.00 | lgp171188 | the output of ls -l is in the previous paste itself - http://paste.debian.net/194910/. ldd says "not a dynamic executable" |
| 12:49.22 | babilen | SomeoneWeird: That doesn't really make sense as you would have to forbid caching or similar techniques. There shouldn't be more authorative name servers anyway. What are you really trying to do? |
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| 12:50.00 | ChrisH | lgp171188: sounds like 32 vs 64 bit problem. |
| 12:50.15 | babilen | lgp171188: Ah, ok. Which version did you download? (amd64 or i386) ? |
| 12:50.21 | SomeoneWeird | babilen, I wanna have my custom dns serve requests only for certain tld's |
| 12:50.45 | babilen | SomeoneWeird: So you want to hijack DNS for say, .com ? |
| 12:50.47 | lgp171188 | ChrisH: My debian is a amd64 installation, whereas the firefox binary is a 32-bit binary. |
| 12:50.51 | SomeoneWeird | yes |
| 12:50.59 | babilen | lgp171188: There you go then |
| 12:51.03 | SomeoneWeird | in sense |
| 12:51.26 | p8m | firefox is just a script and firefox-bin is the binary right? |
| 12:51.42 | babilen | SomeoneWeird: An entire top level domain? |
| 12:51.54 | lgp171188 | but I found only one download for Linux as such in, mozilla's website and that is the 32-bit one. I will see if I can download the 64-bit version and try that |
| 12:52.02 | SomeoneWeird | yeah, but something like *.lol, nothing official |
| 12:52.06 | lgp171188 | p8m: Same issue even with firefox-bin |
| 12:54.19 | babilen | SomeoneWeird: Ah, ok. You can configure your own nameserver and point your clients to that. powerdns and bind9 are common choices. You essentially have to configure your own zone ... |
| 12:54.34 | SomeoneWeird | hmm |
| 12:54.35 | SomeoneWeird | thanks |
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| 12:55.18 | lgp171188 | SomeoneWeird: But if .lol becomes another new tld as per ICANN's proposal, you will have conflicts with your local domain and the one on the Internet |
| 12:55.30 | SomeoneWeird | ofc |
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| 12:57.51 | lgp1711881 | babilen: ChrisH: There seems to be no official 64-bit firefox releases, only nightlies. So I guess I am better off sticking with stock iceweasel on wheezy for now. |
| 12:58.30 | ChrisH | lgp1711881: full ack |
| 12:59.30 | Trewas | lgp1711881: there are official 64bit builds, but they take a bit of digging to find... ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/15.0.1/ somewhere there for example |
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| 13:04.30 | lgp1711881 | Trewas: Either that or installing 32 bit libs and running the 32-bit version should help? |
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| 13:07.24 | Trewas | lgp1711881: I guess so, not that installing 32bit libs just to run upstream 32bit firefox makes much sense |
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| 13:07.54 | Iridos | dpkg, why is povray not in testing |
| 13:07.54 | dpkg | povray is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=povray |
| 13:08.19 | themill | povray was removed from debian |
| 13:08.24 | Iridos | /o\ |
| 13:08.37 | themill | ,bug 649016 |
| 13:08.38 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/649016 in ftp.debian.org (done): «RM: povray -- RoQA; orphaned, obsolete»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-11-16; last modified: 2011-12-16. |
| 13:09.15 | Iridos | :,( |
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| 13:10.30 | Iridos | also, the url doesn't seem to work... first thought I had the package name wrong |
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| 13:11.48 | Iridos | themill, but there's http://packages.debian.org/sid/povray |
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| 13:12.16 | themill | Iridos: check the archs that it thinks are available. |
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| 13:12.53 | Iridos | duh |
| 13:13.09 | mamed | hello . my problem is when i open a terminal in openbox it starts with sh shell i want bash how can i do that |
| 13:13.40 | kesroesweyth | mamed what shell is specified for your user in /etc/passwd? |
| 13:13.52 | mamed | it is bash for root |
| 13:13.59 | kesroesweyth | And you're logging in as root? |
| 13:14.04 | mamed | yep |
| 13:14.14 | mamed | also i have a normal user and it is bash also |
| 13:15.15 | mamed | kesroesweyth: wht do you think. weird is not it? |
| 13:15.16 | kesroesweyth | so if you do echo $SHELL what does it output? |
| 13:15.23 | kesroesweyth | I don't know anything about openbox. |
| 13:16.01 | Iridos | kesroesweyth, it's just a normal WM... probably nothing to do with it that it's openbox |
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| 13:16.09 | mamed | it is bin/sh kesroesweyth |
| 13:16.17 | kesroesweyth | Iridos gotcha |
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| 13:16.27 | kesroesweyth | mamed seems weird to me. |
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| 13:16.32 | mamed | how can i set it to bash |
| 13:16.44 | Iridos | mamed, chsh |
| 13:16.50 | kesroesweyth | normally you'd do usermod -s /bin/bash <username> |
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| 13:17.00 | kesroesweyth | but I don't know that that'd help at this point |
| 13:17.11 | kesroesweyth | seems like it'd be redundant more than anything, but worth a shot, I guess. |
| 13:17.17 | mamed | i want it by default |
| 13:17.33 | kesroesweyth | It seems like it is already. |
| 13:17.34 | Iridos | I wonder how you ever end up to have sh entered there... is this debian? |
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| 13:18.20 | mamed | Iridos: i have debian |
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| 13:18.35 | kesroesweyth | mamed how are you accessing the system? |
| 13:18.52 | kesroesweyth | mamed do you get bash if you use SSH? |
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| 13:20.02 | mamed | well i dopnt know |
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| 13:22.03 | babilen | mamed: Could you please show us the output of "getent passwd root" and "getent passwd YOURUSERNAME" and also clarify how you access the system. (do you sit in front of it? Do you open a terminal in a desktop environment? Do you log into a console? (e.g. tty1) Do you access it via SSH? Pidgeons? ...) |
| 13:23.09 | ChrisH | mamed: I would like to have uname -a and cat /etc/*release* output adddeed to the paste |
| 13:23.09 | specing | IP over avian carriers FTW! |
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| 13:23.39 | Armand | lol |
| 13:24.03 | Armand | RDP via sneakernet ? |
| 13:25.13 | mamed | babilen: ok wait . /etc/passwd . mamed:x:1000:1000:Mamed,,,:/home/mamed/:/bin/bash . and yes i can open terminal window but it starts with # |
| 13:26.17 | mamed | ChrisH: Linux man 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:26.31 | babilen | mamed: Could you please paste your commands + their output to http://paste.debian.net and supply the information ChrisH mentioned as well? It just makes it easier to have everything in one place |
| 13:26.59 | ChrisH | mamed: add ps -fl to your paste... http://paste.debian.net ALL output not only the part you consider relevant please. |
| 13:27.13 | mamed | guys will this work. all i want is to see my bash shell when i right click and then open a terminal in openbox DE. |
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| 13:31.12 | ChrisH | mamed: I am pretty sure we will get it the way you want to have it, but you need to feed us with all requested starting details. |
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| 13:32.49 | mamed | ChrisH: i can not copy output |
| 13:33.39 | babilen | Why not? |
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| 13:34.28 | mamed | cos i have only black screen |
| 13:34.34 | mamed | and only have X and openbox |
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| 13:34.48 | RLa | can i remove all modprobe stuff if i compile all needed drivers into my kernel? |
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| 13:34.56 | ChrisH | mamed: login via ssh and provide the output from there |
| 13:35.09 | mamed | how will i loging |
| 13:35.11 | mamed | login* |
| 13:35.24 | joltcan | RLa: I would assume so, yes |
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| 13:35.29 | babilen | Or paste using nopaste or pastebinit ("/msg dpkg nopaste" and "/msg dpkg pastebinit") |
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| 13:35.42 | ChrisH | mamed: type ssh NEWSYSTEMOP on a terminal of your currently used system |
| 13:35.50 | babilen | Or just install a browser and use that or are you unsure how to copy and paste? |
| 13:35.54 | RLa | joltcan, going to try it then :) |
| 13:36.15 | joltcan | RLa: Don't know why anyone would compile there own kernel these days though |
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| 13:36.27 | RLa | yeah, haven't compiled my kernel in last 5-6 years |
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| 13:37.11 | RLa | i'm going to do it just for fun, also going to see how small i can make the boot time :) |
| 13:38.06 | Iridos | themill, did you find out why it was removed? Seems to be a) because doesn't have a formal maintainer for a long time and b) because of misunderstandings(??) |
| 13:38.18 | babilen | would be surprised if that has any significant effect on boot time -- Why don't you just suspend the box? There are better ways to optimise boot time btw (e.g. readahead, parallel init, ...) |
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| 13:39.13 | joltcan | Yeah, and even choosing a correct motherboard with openfirmware and ssd's |
| 13:39.15 | boudiccas | namedare you /actually/ using Debian, or some derivative? |
| 13:39.43 | RLa | babilen, already using readahead and parallel (makefile style) init |
| 13:40.01 | RLa | so squeezing out last sec :) |
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| 13:41.11 | themill | Iridos: orphaned software is a burden on everyone else and orphaned non-free software won't necessarily attract new people to looking after it. If no-one actually wants to do the maintenance, then it can't be that important to anyone... Besides, all the cool kids are using blender these days. (the squeeze packages for povray also install quite happily in wheezy, but don't let on to anyone that I told you that...) |
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| 13:41.25 | babilen | RLa: Well, if you think doing that is worth the time ... /me would just suspend the system |
| 13:41.54 | RLa | also i want to see what changes have been made to the kernel since 2.6 series |
| 13:42.23 | cheeseboy | can someon recommend a good image to help with color calibration of my monitor? |
| 13:42.43 | niels1 | Iridos, or you could step up and maintain it yourself? |
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| 13:44.48 | babilen | cheeseboy: You would typically use hardware such as http://goo.gl/P0FyJ -- I also don't quite see how this is Debian related. |
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| 13:46.28 | Iridos | niels1, not easily as I'm not a DM... also I wonder what the guy from bug 563344 knows that I don't |
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| 13:46.43 | Iridos | also, I just had a look at the license |
| 13:46.48 | cheeseboy | babilen, im trying to fix it in debian. one of my monitors looks incredibly pale net to the others and i cant get it right >:| |
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| 13:47.17 | Iridos | err, from bug 515431 |
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| 13:47.51 | RLa | hm, compiling kernel on debian is not so easy task at all |
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| 13:48.26 | babilen | RLa: Huh? Check "/msg dpkg make-kpkg" and http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 13:50.21 | RLa | babilen, on squeeze, 2.6 is the latest that can be installed that way? |
| 13:50.44 | babilen | RLa: I have no idea to be honest |
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| 13:51.40 | babilen | It wouldn't necessarily surprise me though. Can't see a reason why you shouldn't be able to use "make deb-pkg" though |
| 13:51.55 | RLa | hm, i wonder what will i break by using tools and scripts that come with the vanilla source |
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| 13:52.22 | babilen | RLa: The documentation I pointed out also contains a number of different techniques. What exactly are you referring to with "that way" ? |
| 13:54.03 | RLa | hm, last time i compiled/installed my own kernel i just configured it using menuconfig, then built with make && make modules && make install && make modules_install |
| 13:54.26 | niels1 | Iridos, well, bug 563344 seems to indicate that you can't package povray 3.7 for debian as long as it is in the beta phase |
| 13:54.31 | babilen | RLa: That won't get you a Debian package |
| 13:54.34 | RLa | i think make install even added lilo entry for it |
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| 13:54.44 | babilen | lilo .... :-D |
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| 13:55.00 | Iridos | niels1, right... you can't package anything in the beta phase according to that |
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| 13:55.28 | RLa | oh, i will got and try hack with the vanilla source then see how i can do it through package |
| 13:55.46 | niels1 | Iridos, no, this is specific to povray. that's the povray beta license |
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| 13:56.14 | Iridos | that's what I meant |
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| 13:57.20 | Iridos | niels1, (bit of a misunderstanding there, of course I meant for povray) also, redistribution license is a bit... whiffy http://www.povray.org/distribution-license.html |
| 13:57.38 | Iridos | actually reads to me as if Ubuntu couldn't distribute it :P |
| 13:57.46 | Iridos | or sidux or any of those not listed |
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| 13:59.57 | Iridos | also... The Distributor must not rename, reorganise or repackage any of the files comprising the Software without the prior written authority of POV. |
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| 14:02.05 | boudiccas | named, if you're still about, do you still require help? |
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| 14:02.44 | Iridos | duh... also 3.3. and 4.5 |
| 14:02.44 | niels1 | Iridos, yeah, i read that too. Well, it means you have to ask them first or leave everything they put in place as it is. Is doable, but not particularly comfortable ;) |
| 14:02.45 | Iridos | /o\ |
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| 14:04.09 | niels1 | Iridos, well, I'd say 4.5 only refers to actually released versions. but that's only a wild guess |
| 14:04.13 | Iridos | niels1, 3.3 forbids to backport security patches and 4.5 means you have to violate 3.3 to display a message to make the user "aware that the software is old" if stable exists 3 years or so |
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| 14:05.23 | niels1 | Iridos, no, 4.5. only says to make them aware. you don't have to change povray for that. a debconf window when installing the package would be okay |
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| 14:05.45 | themill | niels1: that's telling the administrator not the user |
| 14:06.17 | niels1 | themill, hmm, right, that's a point. okay, a wrapper script then ;) |
| 14:06.32 | themill | niels1: changing filesystem layout? |
| 14:06.33 | Iridos | it doesn't say "user", it says "recipient" |
| 14:06.49 | themill | this is always a game of "people shouldn't write their own silly licences" |
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| 14:08.03 | Iridos | well, I see why it's not a lot of fun packaging this... still, it's kinda sad. I've used povray since about Noah set out with his Ark... so I got a bit of a weak spot there |
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| 14:11.13 | Iridos | I'll poke around in the squeeze povray package a bit how the licensing stuff has been addressed there... perhaps povray can be resurrected |
| 14:11.17 | Iridos | anyway, I hate blender |
| 14:11.45 | Iridos | and I think there's still a lot of programs that use povray as a backend |
| 14:11.56 | Iridos | or can generate povray files, like openbabel |
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| 14:12.07 | niels1 | Iridos, themill, yeah, the license seems a bit strict to me. anyway, asking them about the licensing would probably be a good idea |
| 14:12.38 | themill | niels1: I'm sure this has been done before |
| 14:12.45 | Iridos | oh, there's a separate source code license http://www.povray.org/source-license.html |
| 14:12.49 | niels1 | Iridos, yup, i prefer coding scene files for povray directly, too. blender just isn't my kind of thing |
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| 14:13.39 | niels1 | themill, yeah, i think so to. but i believe it can't hurt asking them again |
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| 14:13.58 | Iridos | niels1, heh, I havent done that in a long time... but I do use programs that generate povray files and it's also always been nice to be able to modify them. |
| 14:15.31 | niels1 | anyway, gotta go |
| 14:16.41 | Iridos | hm, indeed, the debian-squeeze version says: This is an unofficial version compiled by: |
| 14:16.53 | bigbee | is it possible to use a thumb stick for my home directory |
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| 14:24.26 | fdd2 | Hello everyone. How can I switch from a system-specific initial ramdisk to a generic one? I remember the installer asking this question when I installed Wheezy. I need to switch to a generic one in order to move the hard disk to another system for rescue purposes... |
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| 14:27.09 | _99percent_ | omfg i'm about to shoot someone |
| 14:27.24 | _99percent_ | i have a hardware raid (true hardware raid, not sataraid, fakeraid, etc) |
| 14:27.39 | _99percent_ | i'm trying to install debian on a raid 1 array via this hardware raid |
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| 14:27.52 | _99percent_ | i'm not very familiar with raid, and in the installer it's showing both of the drives |
| 14:28.07 | _99percent_ | i see nothing other than the drives that are there, i have created the raid array properly etc |
| 14:28.32 | _99percent_ | am i supposed to see two drives, and just install on one? or is it not recognizing the raid card? |
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| 14:28.41 | kesroesweyth | If you're not very familiar with raid, how do you know you created the array properly? |
| 14:29.01 | kesroesweyth | Is this supposed to be a mirrored array? |
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| 14:32.09 | Iridos | perhaps it's not as true a hardware-raid as one would think...? |
| 14:32.32 | kesroesweyth | Either way, probably only one disk should show in the installer. |
| 14:32.33 | Iridos | there are some hardware raids that are completely transparent to the operating system... |
| 14:32.37 | _99percent_ | i have asked the host |
| 14:32.39 | rudi_s | fdd2: Check /etc/initramfs-tools/*, MODULES=most should do it (but I don't know how the non-generic configuration looks like). |
| 14:32.43 | _99percent_ | they specifically told me it's hardware raid |
| 14:33.04 | _99percent_ | i said "it's not software raid or fakeraid? |
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| 14:33.18 | Iridos | _99percent_, well... find out what the exact hardware is and what google says about it and about how it acts under linux |
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| 14:33.23 | _99percent_ | it shows both of the drives but doesn't show the data on it |
| 14:33.59 | _99percent_ | i'm about to the point of just saying fuck it, telling them to pull the raid card out, and using software raid |
| 14:34.07 | _99percent_ | piece of garbage |
| 14:34.15 | Iridos | if you can get any linux to run on it (e.g. livecd or whatever), lspci -vvv is often rather helpful, providing the pciid (supposing it's somewhere on the pci bus) |
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| 14:34.57 | _99percent_ | also yes it should be a mirrored array |
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| 14:35.07 | _99percent_ | i'm reinstalling a server that had a failed drive |
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| 14:35.16 | _99percent_ | and we're setting up mirrored raid so that doesn't happen again |
| 14:35.51 | _99percent_ | is hardware raid going to provide any benefit over using linux software raid? |
| 14:36.23 | _99percent_ | because if not, i already know how to set up a software raid array, and there's no point spending hours trying to figure out how to use one card |
| 14:37.11 | fdd2 | rudi_s: Thank you. Since the installer asks whether a generic initial ramdisk should be installer, I was hoping that the would be a command like "dpkg reconfigure blah-blah" |
| 14:37.19 | fdd2 | *installed |
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| 14:38.47 | _99percent_ | i think i just realized the host is lying to me... |
| 14:38.55 | _99percent_ | because i can enable/disable the raid in the bios |
| 14:39.04 | _99percent_ | so that means it's built into the motherboard |
| 14:39.07 | rudi_s | fdd2: Hm, I'm not sure. dpkg-reconfigure for initramfs-tools doesn't work. |
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| 14:39.17 | _99percent_ | and i can't remember ever seeing raid built into a motherboard that wasn't fakeraid |
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| 14:45.00 | fdd2 | rudi_s: Thanks again, unfortunately I don't have access to my debian box right now to check myself :S |
| 14:45.09 | rudi_s | np |
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| 14:54.22 | ChrisH | Does the bot know anything about SW-Raid/fake-raid/HW-Raid? Its seem to be one of the top topics today. |
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| 14:58.04 | joltcan | ChrisH: I can say that most cheap hw-raids are fake raids that requires a driver, so if you don't want to spend to much, go for SW raid |
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| 14:58.38 | joltcan | ChrisH: SW raid is also more portable since it doesn't require a specific chipset/driver combination. If it runs linux it works |
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| 14:58.51 | joltcan | No idea if that was the real question, but anyway :) |
| 14:58.52 | ChrisH | joltcan: I know what I need, want and use. Do noz explain it to me :) |
| 15:00.04 | ChrisH | joltcan: my real question was: does the bot know anything about it, so that I can next time ask the bot to explain instead of typing my fingers bloody :) |
| 15:00.07 | sney | the bot responds to md, dmraid/fakeraid, not sure what it has for regular raid |
| 15:01.03 | companion | http://pastebin.com/mTcLVaxv |
| 15:01.13 | companion | any one knows how to fix that beside chown or chmod? |
| 15:01.15 | rudi_s | _99percent_: ^ See joltcan's response. |
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| 15:01.42 | sney | ChrisH: you can spam the bot with keywords in a query window if you want to dig |
| 15:02.04 | ChrisH | companion: man mount and see for uid or user ... chown seems to be the better approach |
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| 15:02.20 | ChrisH | sney: I hoped for a better way then this option |
| 15:02.49 | companion | ChrisH, I want it available for all users on my network :( |
| 15:02.52 | sney | ChrisH: well, I already gave you a couple of them, and they all tend to refer to each other within a certain topic |
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| 15:02.57 | companion | that is listed on my linux machine |
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| 15:03.40 | ChrisH | companion: Assumimng you want to share it via network, please read about NFS or Samba |
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| 15:04.04 | _99percent_ | cool |
| 15:04.06 | companion | ChrisH, its a samba share already but I want to let all users on my machine be able to access that hard drive |
| 15:04.08 | _99percent_ | so software raid it is |
| 15:04.15 | _99percent_ | to hell with this "hardware" raid |
| 15:04.20 | rudi_s | ChrisH: Seems the bot knows something. |
| 15:04.34 | rudi_s | !raid |
| 15:04.35 | dpkg | Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks (RAID) is a system of multiple hard drives for sharing or replicating data. Ask me about RAID{0-5}, <software raid>, <fakeraid>, <megaraid>, <raid-resizing>, <rocketraid>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxRaidForAdmins |
| 15:06.05 | ChrisH | companion: Then you need to make your samba users belong to one group and have the group assigned to the directory and make sure the permissions allow the group to write. |
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| 15:08.11 | companion | ChrisH, so I would have to use: /mnt/data ext4 rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 0 0 |
| 15:08.35 | companion | thats without the uuid |
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| 15:10.32 | ChrisH | companion: that looks OK at the first glance. You can also you smb.conf to force permissions for newly created files. |
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| 15:10.43 | companion | ChrisH, it wont mount then :p |
| 15:10.48 | companion | ChrisH, my samba is 100% Okay |
| 15:10.51 | companion | its just the fstab issue |
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| 15:11.55 | ChrisH | companion: does the above option mount? If yes pleas paste ls -ld /mnt/data |
| 15:12.31 | companion | ChrisH, it says rot |
| 15:12.32 | companion | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 21 15:56 /mnt/data |
| 15:12.35 | companion | root* |
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| 15:14.46 | Shadow`_ | ah great, almost got my company to migrate from crapfest ubuntu to debian for our servers |
| 15:14.52 | Shadow`_ | but now moving back to ubuntu, gah! |
| 15:15.24 | companion | Shadow`, sounds awefull :P |
| 15:15.46 | Shadow`_ | i hate ubuntu as a server OS >.> so much little nitwit timewasting issues I never encounter on debian |
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| 15:15.56 | ChrisH | companion: I rechecked the man-page and found that uid= is not for ext4 |
| 15:16.19 | companion | ChrisH, what should I use then? |
| 15:17.37 | ChrisH | companion: chown and chmod there is no other option |
| 15:17.52 | companion | chmod a+o I gues/ |
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| 15:18.21 | ChrisH | chmod 775 /mnt/data |
| 15:18.56 | companion | mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/data/test': Permission denied |
| 15:19.04 | companion | still denied :P |
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| 15:19.25 | ChrisH | companion: please pastebin ls -ld /mnt/data/ /mnt/data/* |
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| 15:20.41 | companion | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/iBP7xHz2 |
| 15:20.58 | companion | its EXT4 btw |
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| 15:22.44 | companion | ChrisH, brb |
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| 15:23.29 | ChrisH | companion: /mnt/data group must be the group of all samab users not root |
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| 15:25.42 | gits1225 | What is different about the live images available here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
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| 15:32.16 | sney | gits1225: different desktops |
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| 15:32.36 | boudiccas | are there any debian tools that intergrate with google tasks and/or calendar please? |
| 15:32.51 | gits1225 | What I meant to ask was; what is the update method. stable, unstable, testing? sney |
| 15:33.05 | sney | those are all stable |
| 15:33.15 | gits1225 | K, thank you. |
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| 15:35.10 | solstis | i have a question for somebody running foobar2000 under wine ? |
| 15:35.17 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, iceowl+calendar-google-provider maybe? |
| 15:35.41 | boudiccas | blubberdiblub, ah right, i'll have a play then, thanks |
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| 15:37.25 | boudiccas | blubberdiblub, just tried to install iceowl but not available in wheezy" any ideas please? |
| 15:37.40 | wheezor | Oops... I installed Debian Wheezy with full disk encryption 3 weeks ago and... Didn't reboot the machine once since. The machine is still up: it's the one I'm using right now to type this. But... I lost the paper onto which I wrote down the password used to unlock disk encryption. Seen that I'm logged in, is there a way to "find" the encryption password (I have root access obviously). |
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| 15:38.19 | wheezor | hides in shame for not only writing down the password on a post-it but also losing that post-it |
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| 15:39.02 | jordanm | wheezor: backup your data while you still have access to it |
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| 15:39.34 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, no, sorry. the package on squeeze should install fine in wheezy, tho, i guess |
| 15:39.46 | jhutchins_wk | wheezor: No. |
| 15:39.59 | boudiccas | blubberdiblub, oh, okay, i'll try that then |
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| 15:40.14 | wheezor | jhutchins_wk: but that key is currently in use right now to encrypt/decrypt that goes to/from disk right? Why can't I access it? |
| 15:40.17 | jhutchins_wk | wheezor: copy the data to another device and re-create the encryption. |
| 15:40.39 | JoshuaP | I have a question. |
| 15:40.45 | jhutchins_wk | wheezor: What's in use is a "hash" of that key, a numerically derived equivalent. |
| 15:40.47 | sney | !ask |
| 15:40.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:40.50 | kesroesweyth | JoshuaP just ask. |
| 15:40.53 | wheezor | jhutchins_wk: can I re-create the encryption without doing a full re-install? (like a live "dd" to a USB drive or something?) |
| 15:41.34 | JoshuaP | Is there a way to completely copy all the files and data from one server and completely clone it all the way to the other server without having to manually set everything up again? |
| 15:41.54 | wheezor | jhutchins_wk: is there any password cracker that can easily try to crack it? (like John the ripper?) |
| 15:41.57 | jhutchins_wk | wheezor: I suppose if you booted from another medium you could create a blank encrypted disk and partition structure, then copy the system back to the drive. |
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| 15:42.36 | Bombo | hi |
| 15:42.36 | jhutchins_wk | wheezor: Yes, it can be cracked. No, it's probably not practical to crack it. |
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| 15:43.47 | jhutchins_wk | wheezor: If it's just a base system it's probably more practical to rebuild than to restore. |
| 15:44.04 | Bombo | when i plug my camera into the usb a program pops up 'shotwell photo manager' i can use this to import all the photos i made, but not the videos. how do i get the videos off of the camera? |
| 15:44.34 | kesroesweyth | JoshuaP Sure, just use one of many disk cloning tools. I use Acronis to clone disks all the time. |
| 15:45.09 | wheezor | jhutchins_wk: bah I already configured quite some stuff (custom build Emacs + my entire dev environment) but I took notes about every single step so I could easily re-install. It's just that it's going to take me some time : ( (will try to find that post-it with the password) |
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| 15:45.14 | babilen | Bombo: You could mount it in nautilus, navigate to the directory where the videos are located and copy them whereever you want them to end up. |
| 15:45.16 | Bombo | with the old debian stable lenny i could always get *.avi and *.jpg, but now i upgraded to squeeze |
| 15:45.59 | Bombo | babilen: its no usb storage, whats it called ptp? |
| 15:46.28 | babilen | Oh, is it not? Probably MTP then to which I have to say: |
| 15:46.29 | babilen | !mtp |
| 15:46.30 | dpkg | [mtp] Media Transfer Protocol, or Microsoft Tricking People... into using their shitty protocol, which is far worse than USB Mass Storage and proprietary to boot. The libmtp shared library provides MTP interoperability for applications including <Amarok>, <Audacious>, <Banshee> and <Rhythmbox>; the MTPfs <FUSE> filesystem also provides read/write access. |
| 15:46.58 | wheezor | jhutchins_wk: due to my lame way of "constructing passwords" I know that my keyspace is only about 136 millions possible passwords. I wonder if I could try to crack my own password ; ) |
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| 15:47.20 | babilen | Bombo: Take a look at mtpfs or figure out how to get your camera to be able to act as an USB mass storage device. |
| 15:47.55 | blubberdiblub | wheezor, you could transfer/backup everything to an external place and then restore it after reinstalling. or if you sync and then dd the partitions, you could recreate the partition structure without the encryption wrapper and then run fsck over all unjournalled filesystems |
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| 15:48.31 | babilen | Bombo: I am not sure if one of the "photo" managers would allows you to deal with videos too. Shotwell doesn't, but one of the others might. |
| 15:48.54 | companion | ChrisH, so I should use: chown -R samba:samba /mnt/data ? |
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| 15:49.48 | wheezor | blubberdiblub: I take it that I could just transfer my entire /home/ and /usr/local/bin/* (did put some custom made scripts in there) and then re-install and then re-copy these... I'll probably do that if I fail to find back my password ; ( |
| 15:49.53 | ChrisH | companion: chgrp -R samba /mnt/data ; given all your users are in the samba group |
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| 15:50.15 | companion | ChrisH, and how do I make sure all users are in samba? :o |
| 15:50.23 | blubberdiblub | wheezor, yes, that's an option |
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| 15:50.43 | companion | chgrp -R samba /mnt/data <- Derp -.- |
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| 15:51.37 | ChrisH | companion: do you have a linux user for all users? |
| 15:51.37 | JoshuaP | kesroesweyth, isn't that for home pc server stuff? |
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| 15:51.56 | companion | ChrisH, yes but it aint called samba |
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| 15:52.19 | awc737 | is it possible to plug ethernet from pc1 to pc2, and pc2 is like a localhost web server to pc1? |
| 15:52.28 | awc737 | so a bridged connection I assume |
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| 15:52.35 | ChrisH | companion: then replace samba with the existing grupnane |
| 15:52.45 | babilen | wheezor: You *might* be able to add another key, but I am not sure if that necessitates that you enter the old one. Look into "man cryptsetup" → luksAddKey |
| 15:52.52 | blubberdiblub | wheezor, if it is luks encryption, it would probably technically be possible to extract the master key from memory and then recreate a luks partition with that master key. but i don't think the standard tools provide a facility to extract the master key from memory. you'd be on your own there |
| 15:53.01 | companion | changed it to 'users' and it still gives 'permission denied' :/ |
| 15:53.11 | blubberdiblub | babilen, you would indeed need the old key for that |
| 15:53.12 | babilen | wheezor: Ah, forget that. It states "An existing passphrase must be supplied interactively or via --key-file." |
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| 15:54.01 | blubberdiblub | babilen, but technically, while the crypted partition is in use, the master key would probably be somewhere in memory |
| 15:54.29 | babilen | blubberdiblub: I would be surprised if it is easy/possible to figure it out. |
| 15:54.47 | kesroesweyth | JoshuaP Shouldn't matter. You asked about cloning data. |
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| 15:55.01 | ChrisH | companion: please pastebin: id -a ; mkdir test2 ; ls -l |
| 15:55.01 | blubberdiblub | babilen, yeah, it's probably not easy. |
| 15:55.09 | JoshuaP | kesroesweyth: And it will completely clone / ? |
| 15:55.13 | babilen | Maybe wheezor will remember the passphrase in time |
| 15:55.18 | kesroesweyth | JoshuaP yep |
| 15:56.41 | Bombo | babilen: $ apt-cache search photo|grep organizer |
| 15:56.42 | Bombo | mapivi - Photo viewer and organizer with emphasis on IPTC fields |
| 15:56.42 | Bombo | shotwell - digital photo organizer |
| 15:56.50 | Bombo | two of them |
| 15:57.00 | companion | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/N46mvap5 |
| 15:57.07 | companion | it seems not to be in the group users : / |
| 15:57.18 | companion | seems my previous mount was under my user ID |
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| 15:57.34 | Bombo | how can i view the details of a not-installed package i found with apt-cache? |
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| 15:57.39 | JoshuaP | kesroesweyth: Could It be installed on a home PC and be used to clone via FTP remote server to remote server? |
| 15:57.48 | blubberdiblub | Bombo, apt-cache show packagename |
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| 15:58.10 | ChrisH | companion: ACK. User companion is not part of users group. vi /etc/group or man usermod |
| 15:58.12 | Bombo | blubberdiblub: ah cool thx ;=) |
| 15:58.21 | kesroesweyth | JoshuaP Probably not Acronis. |
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| 15:58.50 | JoshuaP | kesroesweyth, do you know of a program able to do so? |
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| 15:59.09 | kesroesweyth | JoshuaP there are probably better options, but maybe you can use rsync? Not sure. |
| 15:59.37 | kesroesweyth | I normally just remove the disks, hook them up to a dummy machine, and clone with Acronis, but that's just one of a thousand ways to do it. |
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| 16:00.37 | babilen | Bombo: I can immediately think of: F-Spot, digikam, picasa, ... but there are probably more |
| 16:00.58 | companion | still permission denied D: |
| 16:01.13 | companion | mut probably missing some thing |
| 16:01.27 | Bombo | digikam - Digitalfotoverwaltung unter KDE |
| 16:01.45 | Bombo | i'm using gnome |
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| 16:02.03 | babilen | Bombo: But googling for "video manager linux" or "video organizer linux" or "video foo bar quuz debian" will probably get you some inspiration too. |
| 16:02.10 | Bombo | isn#t picasa a website? |
| 16:02.11 | ChrisH | companion: Plase pastebin what I requested |
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| 16:02.46 | babilen | Bombo: You can easily use KDE programs in Gnome .. And it looks as if Google dropped the picasa linux client. |
| 16:02.53 | ChrisH | companion: after modifing the user/group issu |
| 16:02.59 | themill | (digikam works very nicely for this sort of thing) |
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| 16:03.26 | companion | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/fbxLZnbJ |
| 16:03.31 | companion | ignore the mail thing btw |
| 16:04.22 | ChrisH | companion: I still do not see the ls -l output |
| 16:04.28 | Bombo | babilen: after installing 200mb extra libs |
| 16:04.51 | babilen | Bombo: How much space to you have left on your disk? |
| 16:04.56 | wheezor | babilen: thanks for the infos... I was looking for the post-it : didn't find it but... |
| 16:05.00 | companion | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/4nD2VSa3 |
| 16:05.02 | Bombo | babilen: 200mb ;) |
| 16:05.08 | babilen | Bombo: Seriously? |
| 16:05.27 | wheezor | I *think* I know remember the encryption password. Is there a way to try that one password that I think is the correct one without rebooting ? |
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| 16:05.29 | ChrisH | companion: Well, aehm... ls -la please :) |
| 16:05.54 | companion | ChrisH, it says: root root |
| 16:06.00 | babilen | wheezor: Well, try to add another key. It will ask you to supply one passphrase for a key .. |
| 16:06.03 | wheezor | note that I blame Debian being too stable : if I had to reboot the system regularly, say after every patch-tuesday, then I wouldn't have forgot the password ; )))) |
| 16:06.13 | wheezor | babilen: aaah gotcha |
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| 16:06.16 | wheezor | shall try that |
| 16:06.21 | babilen | wheezor: I sincerely apologise |
| 16:06.25 | ChrisH | cakehero: There we are: chmod root:users /mnt/data and retest |
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| 16:06.47 | ChrisH | cakehero: There we are: chown root:users /mnt/data and retest |
| 16:06.48 | cakehero | i concur |
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| 16:06.51 | cakehero | i concur again |
| 16:06.59 | ChrisH | companion: There we are: chown root:users /mnt/data and retest |
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| 16:07.24 | ChrisH | cakehero: sorry... wrong tab-completion used |
| 16:07.25 | wheezor | babilen: btw I'm using Debian since the nineties : got a server who reached "4 digits" uptime (even better than that : it reached 3 years+ in uptime then the server bay had to be worked on and it got shutdown : ( |
| 16:07.41 | Bombo | babilen: irc i made a 10gb /, not sure i have no access right now |
| 16:08.05 | companion | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/66fk08CM |
| 16:08.25 | cakehero | ChrisH I know =) |
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| 16:09.04 | ChrisH | companion: chmod 775 /mnt/data ; I am pretty sure I did write that a while ago already. |
| 16:09.34 | companion | ChrisH, still the same issue :) |
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| 16:09.40 | companion | re did that |
| 16:09.43 | companion | still does not work |
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| 16:10.04 | babilen | Bombo: Well, 200MB shouldn't be problematic then -- But I was only trying to mention *some* alternatives that I could think of. There might be better movie organizers around. I personally just copy them directly from my camera |
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| 16:10.34 | ChrisH | companion: next try pastebin ls -lad /mnt/data ; cd /mnt/data ; touch test ; mkdir test3 ; id -a |
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| 16:11.33 | companion | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/NgdPnuAW |
| 16:11.45 | babilen | !pastebin.com |
| 16:11.45 | dpkg | pastebin.com takes forever to load, makes us enter a captcha to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 16:12.03 | RLa | damn, my new kernel fails |
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| 16:13.28 | wheezor | how can I file the name of the device I should use to pass to "cryptsetup luksAddKey": I tried both /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 and it tells me "Device /dev/sda is not a valid LUKS device" ? |
| 16:13.34 | wheezor | s/file/find/ |
| 16:14.41 | wheezor | (I don't know which encryption it's using: it's the first time I turn on full disk encryption on a Debian system and I did using what the Debian installer suggested) |
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| 16:17.28 | Bombo | Package: shotwell Version: 0.6.1-1+b2 |
| 16:17.46 | Bombo | http://redmine.yorba.org/projects/shotwell/repository/revisions/master/entry/NEWS Shotwell 0.8.0 - 23 December 2010 - "The Festivus for the Rest of Us" * Video support for Ogg, AVI, MP4, Quicktime, and WMV files. |
| 16:18.06 | ChrisH | companion: root is allowed to mkdir and touch? We could give a chmod 777 /mnt/data a try, just to see who it looks like then. give the following a try and pastbin it please sudo chmod 777 /mnt/data ; ls -lad /mnt/data ; ls -ladn /mnt/data ; id -a ; cd /mnt/data ; mkdir test4 : touch file3 ; ls -la ; cat /proc/mounts | grep data |
| 16:18.16 | companion | ChrisH, root is allowed |
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| 16:19.31 | Bombo | Shotwell 0.13.0 - 19 September 2012 - "Peanuts, Coffee, Soda, and Magazines" |
| 16:19.42 | companion | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/G5cGe46S |
| 16:19.46 | Bombo | is that in testing? |
| 16:19.49 | companion | ChrisH, it seems it does work on 777 |
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| 16:20.04 | Bombo | i upgrade to testing or unstable then, just for shotwell |
| 16:20.05 | babilen | wheezor: Try "ls /dev/mapper" and then "cryptsetup status WHATEV" -- You can also try "cryptsetup status <TAB><TAB>" |
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| 16:21.16 | babilen | ,checkbackport shotwell |
| 16:21.18 | judd | Backporting package shotwell in sid→squeeze/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: valac-0.16 (>= 0.15.2), libgtk-3-dev (>= 3.0.11), libgexiv2-dev (>= 0.3.92), libunique-3.0-dev (>= 3.0.0), libwebkitgtk-3.0-dev (>= 1.4.0), libraw-dev (>= 0.14), libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev (>= 0.10.32). |
| 16:21.48 | babilen | Bombo: digikam is *better* than shotwell IMHO, but do whatever you think is appropriate |
| 16:22.04 | wheezor | babilen: I did "blkid | grep -i luks" and found: /dev/sda5: UUID="a7183398-578e-4814-b4d1-27ab9328bb89" TYPE="crypto_LUKS" so it's /dev/sda5 : ) |
| 16:22.42 | Bombo | babilen: ok i'll try that |
| 16:23.18 | ChrisH | companion: lets clean up... rmdir : file3 touch and I cannot see the the ls -ladn /mnt/data ; chmod 775 /mnt/data and use a new and fresh shell please for another test |
| 16:23.30 | Bombo | btw is there a gnome or gui tool that shows the same as 'df' (but looking nicer) |
| 16:23.43 | wheezor | babilen: lots and lots of thanks... Doing "cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sda5" it then asks me: "Enter any passphrase: " and trying with a bogus passphrases gives: "No key available with this passphrase" then... |
| 16:24.00 | babilen | wheezor: IIRC "cryptsetup luksAddKey <device>" wants the mapped device, not the underlying block device. |
| 16:24.05 | companion | ChrisH, ill open a new SSH session |
| 16:24.11 | Bombo | gnome diskfree? |
| 16:24.25 | babilen | wheezor: But I am not entirely sure -- Let me try. |
| 16:24.28 | wheezor | babilen: trying with the correct password and it asks you to add another key to the block or something like that. I re-added the same key (not too sure what I did here). But I take it I shall be able to reboot : ) |
| 16:24.42 | babilen | wheezor: hooray! |
| 16:24.47 | Bombo | i had one that makes a cake, but thats confusing |
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| 16:25.16 | wheezor | babilen: what did I exactly do by entering my passphrase (the correct one) and then re-adding it a second time using "luksAddKey" ? |
| 16:25.17 | companion | ChrisH, a new shell is opened, same command again? |
| 16:26.17 | ChrisH | companion: mkdir and touch and so on... be careful in my last suggestion there was a : where a ; should have been: ls -lad /mnt/data ; ls -ladn /mnt/data ; id -a ; cd /mnt/data ; mkdir test4 ; touch file3 ; ls -la |
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| 16:27.26 | companion | ChrisH, http://pastebin.com/NrKjL6vp |
| 16:27.33 | babilen | wheezor: You can add multiple keys with different passphrases. Whenever you enter a passphrase LUKS checks if it finds a key with that passphrase and uses that key (which has been unlocked with the passphrase) to decrypt the data. I guess that you have two keys now that can be unlocked ... Not entirely sure what exactly happened though :-/ |
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| 16:27.41 | companion | ChrisH, it does work now but is 777 not just a little too high for permissions? |
| 16:27.53 | lisporu | In this a trusted site to generate sources.list : http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 16:28.03 | babilen | companion: *please* use http://paste.debian.net -- If you do I might even take a look and wouldn't cringe every time you paste something ;) |
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| 16:28.25 | companion | babilen, give me a sec :) |
| 16:28.50 | ChrisH | companion: I requested to do a chmod 775 /mnt/data already... and yes 777 is too open, 1777 can be acceptible |
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| 16:29.04 | babilen | lisporu: No, not at all. It encourages people to use suboptimal repositories or break their systems by adding totally unsupported third-party ones. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:29.27 | companion | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/638bf45d/ |
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| 16:29.30 | companion | ah |
| 16:29.32 | companion | sorry about that |
| 16:30.33 | lisporu | babilen: I want to add debian repos to sources.list (I installed from DVDs off the net) |
| 16:31.07 | babilen | lisporu: Are you using Squeeze? |
| 16:31.16 | lisporu | babilen: yes |
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| 16:31.27 | theslow1 | If I install the beta2 version of Debian Wheezy, will it automatically turn stable after a while, or is Wheeze always "the next" release? (Do I ever need to make changes to sources.list?) |
| 16:31.29 | babilen | !tell lisporu about make squeeze sources.list |
| 16:31.30 | ChrisH | companion: can you retry after the chmod 775 was done? |
| 16:31.38 | companion | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3cfa9029/ |
| 16:31.40 | companion | works now :s |
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| 16:32.29 | babilen | theslow1: It will -- Provided that you (dist-)upgrade all the time and use "wheezy" in your sources.list and not "testing" -- you might have to add stable specific repositories after the release. testing/unstable are also supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:32.54 | ChrisH | companion: My assumption is/was the id -a output fouled us. The new secondary group was not active and using a new login shell it got active for that user. |
| 16:33.19 | companion | derp -.- |
| 16:33.40 | companion | ChrisH, I gues I should relog more often :') |
| 16:34.06 | theslow1 | babilen: Thank you. This is what I thought but didn't see it documented. |
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| 16:34.32 | ChrisH | companion: su - companion would be a valid way, too. |
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| 16:34.45 | companion | ChrisH, thanks for your tip :) |
| 16:34.50 | ChrisH | Windows user would reboot instead |
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| 16:35.05 | companion | ChrisH, I am only on Windows when building websites :) |
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| 16:35.20 | companion | I got over like several hundret websites on my name :s |
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| 16:37.10 | josefig | someone of you has an Inspiron N5010 ? I have no wireless and I tried to install the wireless-tools but nothing happened |
| 16:37.29 | josefig | It seems to have an Intel Wireless-N card |
| 16:37.34 | companion | thank you ChrisH |
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| 16:37.49 | sney | josefig: can you paste the output of lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 16:38.19 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell josefig about what's my wireless |
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| 16:38.41 | lisporu | post-installation I see a rep: volatile.debian.org |
| 16:38.48 | lisporu | what is it about |
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| 16:38.55 | sney | !volatile |
| 16:38.55 | dpkg | Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0. http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg00000.html |
| 16:39.04 | josefig | sney, http://paste2.org/p/2290126 |
| 16:39.21 | sney | ,pciid 8086:008a |
| 16:39.22 | judd | [8086:008a] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1030' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:008a |
| 16:39.25 | wheezor | babilen: in any case thanks a lot... I'll reboot to see if the stuff reboots fine (and otherwise I'll re-install and re-copy my /home/ files). Notes about luks have already been added to an Emacs org file and it's already backed up : ) |
| 16:39.50 | babilen | wheezor: Good luck and see you later |
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| 16:40.06 | sney | josefig: you will need to use a newer kernel from backports; see http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 16:40.25 | lisporu | how to add DVDs to sources.list |
| 16:40.38 | sney | lisporu: apt-cdrom |
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| 16:40.48 | lisporu | sorry |
| 16:40.54 | boudiccas | lisporu, why would you want to do that? it will ask you at every update for the dvd |
| 16:41.01 | lisporu | how to add DVD ISO images to sources.list ? |
| 16:41.08 | sney | boudiccas: probably non-persistent net connection |
| 16:41.14 | sney | lisporu: mount them, and then apt-cdrom |
| 16:41.15 | orine | Is there any scripts to extract repo details from apache access logs ? |
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| 16:41.59 | josefig | sney, so add the backports and add the newer kernel right ? |
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| 16:42.16 | sney | enable backports and use apt-get to install the newer kernel package, yes |
| 16:42.41 | boudiccas | josefig, update before getting new kernls |
| 16:42.45 | josefig | sney, what's the name of the kernel name ? |
| 16:43.07 | josefig | package* ^ |
| 16:43.44 | sney | josefig: linux-image-686 for i686, linux-image-amd64 for amd64. |
| 16:43.57 | josefig | I have the 2.6.32-5 |
| 16:44.26 | sney | uname -m |
| 16:46.00 | josefig | ok, downloading |
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| 16:47.08 | josefig | sney, but on says 2.6.38 and on synaptic it says 2.6.35 |
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| 16:47.21 | sney | josefig: you will also need the firmware-iwlwifi from squeeze-backports |
| 16:48.03 | sney | josefig: those kernel versions are not present in any debian releases, where did they come from |
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| 16:48.40 | josefig | sney, I mean on the site http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:008a says 2.6.38 |
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| 16:48.50 | josefig | I updated to 2.6.35 |
| 16:49.08 | josefig | sorry, 2.6.32-5 |
| 16:49.17 | dreamer | hmm, any ideas how to get libboost > 1.44 on squeeze? |
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| 16:49.25 | dreamer | libboost isn't in backports |
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| 16:49.40 | sney | josefig: just update to the kernel in squeeze-backports. the versions listed on kmuto's site are the minimum that will support your nic. backports has 3.2 which will definitely support it. |
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| 16:49.48 | josefig | or the 3.2 ? |
| 16:49.49 | josefig | ok |
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| 16:50.58 | josefig | brb |
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| 16:52.16 | sney | dreamer: http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 16:53.17 | luka_ | i am installing debain i have 8g ram and 120g SSD. How much swap should i allocate? |
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| 16:53.55 | sney | luka_: none |
| 16:54.05 | sney | luka_: unless you want hibernate |
| 16:54.16 | dreamer | sney: hm |
| 16:54.25 | luka_ | 9g |
| 16:54.28 | lisporu | I installed Debian from DVD and now I have added HTTP repos in sources.list. how should I upgrade: aptitude full-upgrade or safe-upgrade |
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| 16:55.35 | sney | lisporu: safe-upgrade is usually enough |
| 16:55.41 | luka_ | can i use only 4g and be able to hybernate |
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| 16:56.11 | lisporu | sney: thanks |
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| 16:56.13 | sney | lisporu: if safe-upgrade finishes and says some packages are held back, then you may want to full-upgrade |
| 16:56.34 | sney | luka_: depends on your ram usage. if you have 8GB swap you will always be able to hibernate. |
| 16:56.46 | luka_ | ok |
| 16:57.29 | sney | dreamer: you can also see if backports are possible with the irc bot judd. do /msg judd checkbackport packagename |
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| 17:00.13 | dreamer | sney: thnx, I'm looking in to it |
| 17:00.28 | dreamer | seems I should be able to backport libboost1.49-dev and then go from that |
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| 17:01.49 | thewanderer1 | hi. I'm playing music through PulseAudio, and the quality is really bad. there's noticeable tearing, as if the sound had been compressed multiple times - kind of a grainy noise. |
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| 17:02.03 | thewanderer1 | the more volume I set, the worse the effect gets... any solutions? |
| 17:02.24 | azith | i'm trying to find out if debian amd64 is multilib ready, does someone know? |
| 17:02.40 | thewanderer1 | azith, Wheezy has true multilib, Squeeze does not |
| 17:02.41 | sney | thewanderer1: is it peaking? check your mixer levels in pavucontrol |
| 17:02.54 | sney | azith: it's a release goal for wheezy though it's still a work in progress |
| 17:02.58 | lisporu | using backports stable enough for daily home use ? |
| 17:03.06 | sney | lisporu: yes |
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| 17:03.25 | thewanderer1 | sney, there is one bar on the Playback tab for Amarok, it's at 100% and does not seem to be moving |
| 17:03.26 | azith | thx thewanderer1 sney |
| 17:03.52 | thewanderer1 | sney, okay, I think it's peaking |
| 17:04.21 | thewanderer1 | what do I do now? :P |
| 17:04.29 | sney | check your mixer levels in pavucontrol. |
| 17:04.54 | dreamer | hmm, validation failed on some gpg file? |
| 17:05.21 | thewanderer1 | sney, the level is 15% for Amarok, and 16% for my output device on Output tab |
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| 17:06.26 | thewanderer1 | I turn amarok down to 1%, still peaking. 0%, no sound. back to 1%... the sound bar peaks. |
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| 17:06.47 | sney | hmm |
| 17:06.53 | sney | I hate troubleshooting audio. |
| 17:08.22 | JessicaW | has anyone gotten Broadcom iSCSI HBA to work? |
| 17:08.37 | sney | eugh, broadcom |
| 17:09.15 | dreamer | holy crap boost is big -_ |
| 17:09.44 | dreamer | sney: that wiki-page is practically useless |
| 17:09.45 | JessicaW | it's the primary solution for 10 Gigabit connections on dell servers... |
| 17:09.50 | thewanderer1 | OK, this is interesting. Rhythmbox apparently scales the sound OK, but Amarok outputs at 100% all the time |
| 17:10.35 | thewanderer1 | I think the KDE part in me has just died :/ |
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| 17:12.08 | sney | dreamer: those are legit steps to backport a package. you can also do it with a deb-src line for sid in sources.list |
| 17:12.27 | sney | thewanderer1: #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net might have some wisdom about that |
| 17:12.31 | thewanderer1 | aha. it was the equalizer. disabled the equalizer in Amarok, sound is back to somewhat sane :P |
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| 17:12.55 | dreamer | sney: I'm looking in to that now. that wiki-page doesn't seem to give any similar result for libboost with those steps |
| 17:13.25 | sney | libboost seems to encompass a lot more packages than the single example given |
| 17:13.27 | dreamer | ie intarring the tar.bz2 doesn't have a debian/ dir inside |
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| 17:13.33 | dreamer | untar* |
| 17:13.41 | sney | what tar.bz2? |
| 17:13.46 | dreamer | sney: I'm now trying http://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 17:13.51 | dreamer | eh .. |
| 17:13.54 | dreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Software/Productivity/LinphoneBackportingFromSid |
| 17:14.00 | dreamer | for libboost1.49-dev |
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| 17:15.52 | themill | dreamer: you'd need to "dpkg-source -x foo.dsc" in there (or use dget -u ...dsc). Note that boost is a pig to backport. |
| 17:15.55 | dreamer | great, it fails :) |
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| 17:16.10 | dreamer | themill: yes, it's a pig. I'm close to letting it go :/ |
| 17:16.27 | dreamer | I want to try Point Cloud Library |
| 17:16.45 | dreamer | couldn't get it to work on my sid system, so was thinking to try squeeze instead -> much bigger pita |
| 17:16.58 | dreamer | anyway, they only provide ubuntu packages, which suck @#$@#$-balls |
| 17:17.14 | luka_ | arnt ubuntu deb packages? |
| 17:17.21 | sney | not compatible in most cases |
| 17:17.29 | dreamer | "We currently support Debian stable systems via PPA." |
| 17:17.37 | dreamer | through ppa even .. *uhg* |
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| 17:17.42 | sney | but if it's on a ppa, you can dget the dsc file and rebuild from their own sources |
| 17:17.43 | dreamer | "For Debian testing and unstable you can try the same, only replacing maverick with oneiric, but this is unsupported. |
| 17:17.46 | luka_ | what is ppa? |
| 17:17.46 | dreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.59 | dreamer | luka_: ubuntu public repository |
| 17:18.03 | dreamer | or something like that |
| 17:18.17 | sney | dreamer: got a link to that ppa? |
| 17:18.22 | dreamer | http://pointclouds.org/downloads/linux.html |
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| 17:18.56 | dreamer | so they pretend to 'support' debian, but it doesn't work on any debian build :') |
| 17:19.16 | themill | dreamer: do you want to borrow our cluebat for a while? Feel free to hit them repeatedly |
| 17:19.26 | sney | yeah, those instructions are a tremendously bad idea |
| 17:19.29 | dreamer | themill: sure, mine is worn out by now |
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| 17:20.35 | sney | dreamer: however, it also has this: https://launchpad.net/~v-launchpad-jochen-sprickerhof-de/+archive/pcl/+files/pcl-1.6_1.6.0-1%2Blucid1.dsc |
| 17:20.36 | dreamer | I'd still like to try their software though -_- |
| 17:20.36 | JessicaW | how do you find and install NIC drivers? |
| 17:20.57 | sney | dreamer: and you can use that dsc file in combination with the longer wiki page to make your own native package. |
| 17:21.09 | dreamer | hmm |
| 17:21.20 | sney | I've done this a bunch of times. it's pretty safe. |
| 17:21.27 | dreamer | ok |
| 17:21.35 | dreamer | but I have no idea how that wiki-page works. seriously :P |
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| 17:22.07 | sney | dreamer: it's a distilled form of the package build instructions from the new maintainer's guide: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 17:22.35 | sney | JessicaW: most NIC drivers are included in the linux kernel. some of them need firmware files. what NIC do you have? |
| 17:22.38 | dreamer | well, it feels like some essential steps have been left out |
| 17:22.44 | dreamer | not exactly dummy (dreamer)-proof :P |
| 17:23.05 | JessicaW | sney: ok. I read that right then in the forums. I have a NetXtreme II BCM57810 10 Gigabit Ethernet card |
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| 17:23.30 | luka_ | 10 G Wow |
| 17:23.57 | dreamer | sney: ok, so between the dget and cd commands described there it seems there are some steps missing .. |
| 17:24.07 | sney | dreamer: even more distilled steps: dget -x foo.dsc;dpkg-source -x foo.dsc;cd foo;dch --bpo;dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 17:24.08 | JessicaW | sney: vendor ID is 14e4:168e |
| 17:24.09 | dreamer | because after the dget I don't have anything to cd to |
| 17:24.28 | sney | ,pciid 14e4:168e |
| 17:24.29 | luka_ | is standard cable CAT7 enough? |
| 17:24.29 | judd | [14e4:168e] is 'NetXtreme II BCM57810 10 Gigabit Ethernet' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in squeeze but has kernel module 'bnx2x' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:168e |
| 17:24.30 | dreamer | sney: the dpkg-source command isn't described there |
| 17:24.31 | djshaji | ok i have a problem with multiple networm connections |
| 17:24.34 | djshaji | network* |
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| 17:24.42 | djshaji | whenever i connect ppp0 and ppp1 |
| 17:24.43 | sney | dreamer: hmm, perhaps it's time for some wiki fixing |
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| 17:24.54 | dreamer | :) |
| 17:25.00 | djshaji | i can't access the internet via either |
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| 17:25.20 | djshaji | ping gives "sendmsg: operation not permitted" |
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| 17:25.25 | sney | JessicaW: if you're using squeeze you'll need a newer kernel from debian backports. http://backports.debian.org/ |
| 17:25.28 | djshaji | route is properly set up though |
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| 17:25.41 | djshaji | if i do "route add default ppp1" it works |
| 17:25.50 | themill | dreamer: it is now |
| 17:25.54 | themill | sney: done |
| 17:26.00 | djshaji | but "route add default ppp0" doesn't ... it gives the above error |
| 17:26.03 | djshaji | help ...? |
| 17:26.22 | Mohsen_Hassani | I need to connect to another computer via Internet to use ssh and scp. I heard about something about DMZ. Is there any manual or help? |
| 17:26.27 | sney | themill: oh, haha, I was just about to. |
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| 17:27.35 | JessicaW | sney: cool. thanks. I'll research it. |
| 17:27.35 | dreamer | sney: great, first hurdle. some dependencies with the dpkg-buildpackage: libflann1.7-dev is called libflann-dev in sid |
| 17:27.46 | sney | JessicaW: looks like you will also need the firmware-bnx2x package |
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| 17:28.16 | sney | dreamer: edit debian/control |
| 17:28.17 | themill | dreamer: change debian/control and see if that works. (It might not be compatible) |
| 17:28.21 | JessicaW | sney: sorry. click happy. what was that? |
| 17:28.27 | dreamer | ok |
| 17:28.32 | sney | JessicaW: looks like you will also need the firmware-bnx2x package |
| 17:28.59 | JessicaW | sney: ah. I read about that a few threads ago on the forums. cool. thanks! |
| 17:29.27 | dreamer | sed -i 's/libflann1.7-dev/libflann-dev' debian/control; or something? |
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| 17:30.08 | themill | dreamer: that *might* work for you. Make sure you document changes you've made in debian/changelog (dch --bpo) |
| 17:30.09 | dreamer | eh, -e |
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| 17:30.22 | themill | or rather dch --local .dreamer |
| 17:30.26 | lisporu | what is the location f xorg.conf now in 6.0 ? |
| 17:30.34 | sney | !empty xorg.conf |
| 17:30.34 | dpkg | Starting from Lenny, /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg config squeeze>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>. |
| 17:31.16 | lisporu | How will I know what X drver is being used ? |
| 17:31.54 | dreamer | hmm, and it needs openni-dev, but I installed openni from their packages. it's not in sid afaik |
| 17:31.56 | sney | you can look in Xorg.0.log |
| 17:32.08 | dreamer | nope, there is no openni-dev |
| 17:32.26 | themill | dreamer: if you're just playing around, you can comment that out then. It's not like you're trying to build this in a clean environment etc |
| 17:32.30 | sney | it might be on that same ppa |
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| 17:32.40 | sney | that's also true |
| 17:32.41 | dreamer | themill: you have no idea how dirty my system is |
| 17:32.56 | themill | turns a firehose on dreamer to clean him up |
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| 17:34.19 | gits1225 | Does anyone know which version of xfce will be included in the upcoming debian 7? |
| 17:34.40 | boudiccas | XFCE4 |
| 17:34.49 | gits1225 | xfce 4.? |
| 17:34.54 | lisporu | its midnight |
| 17:34.59 | lisporu | will sleep now |
| 17:35.01 | boudiccas | or to be precise F=XFCE 4.8 |
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| 17:35.07 | gits1225 | thanks |
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| 17:35.36 | boudiccas | you're welcome |
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| 17:36.20 | djshaji | hello ... can someone please help me with a problem about multiple network connections ..? |
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| 17:37.47 | dreamer | themill: ok, building package ... lets see what happens .. |
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| 17:38.23 | themill | hides behind sney |
| 17:38.24 | luka_ | is debian updated on 6.0.6 from 6.0.5 during install |
| 17:38.34 | themill | luka_: yes |
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| 17:39.24 | Trazi | Hi |
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| 17:39.44 | luka_ | thanx |
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| 17:42.55 | luka_ | what xfce is in stable? |
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| 17:43.40 | Sm0ke0ut | I think 4.6.2 |
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| 17:43.57 | luka_ | ok, thanx |
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| 17:44.12 | themill | luka_: http://packages.debian.org/ can help you answer these questions |
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| 17:50.07 | dreamer | djshaji: fail |
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| 17:50.25 | djshaji | dreamer, :) |
| 17:50.26 | Jolein | dreamer yep |
| 17:50.41 | djshaji | got the '/' mixed up a but |
| 17:50.43 | djshaji | bit* |
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| 17:56.05 | Jolein | using pidgin :( |
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| 17:56.12 | Jolein | pidgin FTW \o/ |
| 17:56.42 | djshaji | jhutchins_wk, it does |
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| 18:00.36 | mafiaboy | i can't find debian 7 beta iso image ...can anyone send me the link? |
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| 18:02.30 | boudiccas | my mouse in xfce on wheezy is hyper-sensitive, it doesnt keep the windowsin the tabletops, how do i make it less sensitive please? |
| 18:02.54 | boudiccas | tabletops = indivudual desktops |
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| 18:06.01 | dreamer | hmm: /usr/include/flann/flann.hpp:206:5: note: no known conversion for argument 2 from ‘std::vector<std::vector<int> >’ to ‘flann::Matrix<int>&’ |
| 18:06.04 | dreamer | weird |
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| 18:13.44 | jhutchins_wk | mafiaboy: What are you planning to test, the installer or the OS? |
| 18:14.09 | mafiaboy | the os :jhutchins_wk |
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| 18:14.31 | jhutchins_wk | mafiaboy: Recommended method is to install squeeze then upgrade to wheezy. |
| 18:14.47 | jhutchins_wk | mafiaboy: I like to do it in a dual-boot environment so I can fall back to stable and compare. |
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| 18:15.56 | jhutchins_wk | mafiaboy: That way when it's broken you can just chroot to it when updates that might fix it come out. |
| 18:16.40 | mafiaboy | well ...is it safe to upgrade.....as i have previously upgraded certain ubuntu distro's but none worked out well |
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| 18:17.22 | jhutchins_wk | mafiaboy: Since it's just testing, yeah it's safe, especially if you keep a stable install to fall back to. |
| 18:17.24 | sney | it's safe, especially if you only install the standard system utilities before upgrading |
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| 18:17.42 | sney | e.g. don't install the Desktop Environment task until after you upgrade to wheezy |
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| 18:18.42 | prpl | when wheezy moves to stable will my squeeze-box update to it automatically when I install updates that particular day ? |
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| 18:19.22 | petemc | prpl: if you have stable rather than squeeze in your /etc/apt/sources.list, yes. |
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| 18:19.37 | abrotman | prpl: one would hope not |
| 18:19.42 | jhutchins_wk | prpl: It shouldn't. You should have "squeeze" in your sources.list, so it should continue to update/maintain squeeze untill/unless you change that to wheezy. |
| 18:19.51 | prpl | ahhso change the word squeeze to stable then ? |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | you likely don't want to do that |
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| 18:20.11 | prpl | just to see what happens ? |
| 18:20.23 | abrotman | prpl: bad things |
| 18:20.38 | petemc | prpl: if you want to upgrade from one release to another you should follow release notes |
| 18:21.08 | abrotman | prpl: doing an unplanned upgrade is rarely a good idea |
| 18:21.39 | prpl | I did read about changing the words in the sources list |
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| 18:22.12 | abrotman | .. |
| 18:22.20 | prpl | from squeeze to stable and from squeeze to wheezy as being most of the effort |
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| 18:22.30 | prpl | and/or |
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| 18:23.02 | luka_ | how can I install XFCE desktop on debian |
| 18:23.14 | luka_ | i just install 1st ce |
| 18:23.20 | confusid | Hello, I've come accrosse my first time with a non free nic driver. Using a cd with Debian install and a usb with the non free drivers. How do I allow it to read the usb? I tell it yes but it does not read the usb (As it does not light up at all and fails ) |
| 18:23.25 | luka_ | but there was no desktop to pick |
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| 18:24.28 | confusid | luka_: http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce |
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| 18:26.09 | boudiccas | in wheezy, what package contains the xfce weather -plugin please? i'm tryin gto file a bug against it but reportbug cant find the relevant package |
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| 18:26.49 | frikinz_ | xfce4-weather-plugin |
| 18:27.12 | boudiccas | ah, thanks, i should've thought of that! |
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| 18:28.08 | jhutchins_wk | !install xfce |
| 18:28.08 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
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| 18:29.01 | luka_ | why there was no pick from install |
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| 18:29.51 | frikinz_ | boudiccas: that was the result of : apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update; apt-file search -lx 'xfce.*weather' |
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| 18:30.48 | dreamer | sney: meh, fail |
| 18:31.16 | jhutchins_wk | luka_: There are some 30,000 packages in Debian - can't _all_ be on the menu. |
| 18:31.21 | sney | yeah, not everything can be backported. I guess you could always put ubuntu in a vm and try this thing that way |
| 18:31.29 | dreamer | no |
| 18:31.31 | dreamer | I refuse :P |
| 18:31.40 | luka_ | but there is cd lxde-xfce |
| 18:31.51 | luka_ | i i installed from there |
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| 18:32.30 | dreamer | sney: it's giving some build error on flann, google gives me one other soul on pastebin with the same predicament |
| 18:32.37 | luka_ | i got lxde |
| 18:33.09 | sney | dreamer: I don't have the relevant experience. you can share the paste if you want, I guess |
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| 18:34.00 | dreamer | the error is: /usr/include/flann/flann.hpp:206:5: note: no known conversion for argument 2 from ‘std::vector<std::vector<int> >’ to ‘flann::Matrix<int>&’ |
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| 18:34.23 | dreamer | or at least, that's the last line in the build |
| 18:34.38 | luka_ | debian-6.0.5-amd64-xfce+lxde-CD-1 -> installs lxde only for me |
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| 18:36.35 | jhutchins_wk | luka_: Only so much stuff will fit on a CD. I don't know for sure what's on that one, but you can follow the instructions from dpkg above if the system has internet access. |
| 18:37.10 | luka_ | no after installing from usb i got error after #apt-get install xfce4 |
| 18:37.29 | luka_ | insert CD in drive -> |
| 18:37.33 | luka_ | damt |
| 18:37.35 | frikinz_ | dreamer: it could be that newer g++ are more strict on automatic conversions |
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| 18:38.39 | dreamer | hmm |
| 18:39.37 | luka_ | how can i unmout /media/cdrom |
| 18:39.54 | luka_ | so i can make link from usb |
| 18:40.02 | luka_ | cus now is empty |
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| 18:40.29 | dreamer | what do you mean 'make link from usb' ? |
| 18:40.53 | frikinz_ | dreamer: it looks correct though.. a vector of vector would be a matrix |
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| 18:41.07 | luka_ | simbolic link |
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| 18:41.14 | dreamer | frikinz_: hehe, you'd think eh? |
| 18:41.18 | luka_ | yeh i just renamed cdrom map |
| 18:41.22 | dreamer | why? |
| 18:41.54 | luka_ | cus it nags to insert /media/cdrom |
| 18:44.01 | jhutchins_wk | luka_: That's because your sources.list has /media/cdrom in it. |
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| 18:44.49 | jhutchins_wk | luka_: If your sources.list had /media/moon in it, it would ask you to insert /media/moon. |
| 18:45.00 | luka_ | damt |
| 18:45.06 | luka_ | i shoud remove that |
| 18:45.09 | luka_ | wait a min |
| 18:45.13 | jhutchins_wk | luka_: Perhaps. |
| 18:45.20 | jhutchins_wk | !tell luka_ about sources.list |
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| 18:56.22 | eodchop | Hey is Deb or Ian around? |
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| 18:56.36 | sney | eodchop: no. |
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| 18:57.16 | joya | unfortunately, there is no more xseticon in Debian ... ;( how do I change xterm's icon? |
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| 18:58.34 | sephii | I'm trying to install debian on a Thinkpad L530. The installation process went fine but when I reboot, the boot disk selection menu appears and even if I select one disk or another, I can't boot |
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| 18:59.12 | sney | sephii: in that case it sounds like the installation process didn't go fine. do you get a bootloader screen of any kind? also, what debian version, and how did you install? |
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| 19:00.31 | jhutchins_wk | Is this thinkpad perhaps an EFI/GPT system? |
| 19:00.39 | sephii | sney: ok sorry for the question, while I was asking it I restarted the install process in expert mode and it worked fine... I didn't get any bootloader, it was like it couldn't find any MBR on the disk. Anyway it's working now, so thanks anyway :) |
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| 19:00.54 | sephii | jhutchins_wk: yeah, I disabled UEFI in the bios but it didn't change anything.. |
| 19:01.11 | sney | I was thinking it was perhaps that old pesky "bootloader installed to usb stick" issue |
| 19:01.25 | jhutchins_wk | sephii: You'd have to create a standard MBR partition table too if it were GPT. |
| 19:02.29 | sephii | jhutchins_wk: is it feasible with the debian stable installer? |
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| 19:06.47 | Cheddar_ | I have 4 2TB drives and I would like to make a RAID5 array from them. How do I format these drives with parted so that I could build a RAID array with mdadm? |
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| 19:10.05 | thewanderer1 | Cheddar_, consider using gdisk, an fdisk equivalent but designed for GPT. it'll align the partitions for you. all you need to do is create a partition per disk, and set its type to Linux RAID. |
| 19:10.06 | tremon | Cheddar_: why do you want to partition the drives at all? |
| 19:10.21 | thewanderer1 | and yes, it should be possible to use raw devices as well |
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| 19:11.37 | Cheddar_ | I am sort of lost with software raid. I have done one raid array with fdisk, but the 2TB limitation is now a problem. Could I just do the RAID5 array without formatting these drives? |
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| 19:12.48 | Cheddar_ | So for example I could build my raid array using /dev/sdX instead of using /dev/sdX1? |
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| 19:13.55 | comando | hola a todos |
| 19:14.00 | comando | necesito ayuda por favor |
| 19:14.06 | tremon | Cheddar_: yes, that's what I meant. Works fine unless you use windows on the same drive (well, it will consider the drive not-formatted and propose to do so) |
| 19:14.16 | tremon | !es |
| 19:14.17 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 19:14.31 | rubemlrm | !pt |
| 19:14.31 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 19:14.47 | tremon | ha, I guessed wrong :) |
| 19:14.55 | comando | hola a todos |
| 19:15.11 | comando | necesito aclarar una duda, alguien puede decirme si lee mis mensajes |
| 19:15.23 | simonlnu | comando: ^^^ |
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| 19:15.58 | comando | hola |
| 19:15.59 | tremon | Cheddar_: err, the same machine, not drive (obviously) |
| 19:16.19 | joya | is there any ersatz for xseticon in Debian nowadays? |
| 19:16.32 | Cheddar_ | Thank you tremor. It is used for a server running samba and ftp. What chunk size should I use for file that range from 8MB to 2GB? |
| 19:16.48 | Cheddar_ | *tremon, sorry |
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| 19:19.48 | tremon | Cheddar_: I always use the default chunk size. I'd use a chunksize smaller than (smallest intended file size) / (number of disks in set) |
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| 19:26.01 | WinstonSmith | comando: si es posivel leer tus mensajes, pero usa #debian-es para perguntas en espanjol por favor |
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| 19:28.58 | bipul | Hellow any one around? |
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| 19:32.25 | bipul | i need to know about how to use network simulator 2 tcp/ip in my debian |
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| 19:32.48 | bipul | also any one have used any tivoli software in debian ? |
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| 19:33.19 | confusid | using http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s04.html and a folder called firmware I downloaded the firware.zip and unzipped the files into the directory. The system when I say YES to Load mising firmware from removable media? Does not load. Is there something else I could do? |
| 19:33.36 | Cheddar_ | tremon if you are around, I tried to assemble the array, but I got this message: mdadm: /dev/sde has no superblock - assembly aborted |
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| 19:37.18 | TheWarden | I'm running VLC v2.03 on Debian Squeeze v6.05 i386 and I'm receiving some errors message periodically. Its seems to happen after the system losses power or is rebooted a few times. https://gist.github.com/d316460690f039b9c7f2 |
| 19:37.28 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: Where is the directory where the files were unzipped? |
| 19:37.40 | TheWarden | How do I deal with the framebuffer error? Not sure how to set it nor how to tell if the kernel has it enabled or not |
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| 19:38.42 | sliddjur | i try to download this file with wget, but all i get is html code. http://www.moodle.tfe.umu.se/file.php/575/5mincron |
| 19:39.48 | joltcan | sliddjur: yes, wget grabs the code that your browser normally renders. You could use something like links to grab the actual content |
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| 19:41.09 | luka_ | what is recomeneded tool to manage wifi? |
| 19:41.39 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: What error are you getting, what hardware do you have? |
| 19:41.50 | sliddjur | joltcan: with -B option? |
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| 19:42.37 | jhutchins_wk | sliddjur: If you go to that page, do you see an option to start the download if it doesn't start automatically? That's usually a direct link to the file that wget/curl can use. |
| 19:43.00 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: https://gist.github.com/d316460690f039b9c7f2 and as in hardware I believe you mean video and I have a NVIDIA ION GT218 512MB |
| 19:43.21 | joltcan | sliddjur: No, wget grabs the actual webpage with all the html code that describes how it should be rendered |
| 19:43.24 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: I have the nvidia video drivers installed. |
| 19:43.24 | sliddjur | if i open thayt page in a regular (chrome/firefox etc) it follows the link and download the file i actually want |
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| 19:43.43 | joltcan | sliddjur: You need another program called links to render the content to save it. Or just save it in your browser |
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| 19:44.27 | joltcan | sliddjur: ah, what jhutchins_wk said |
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| 19:44.31 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Yeah, that looks like the kernel framebuffer module is not installed. |
| 19:45.03 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: I figured so but not sure how to verify if it was or not then how to go about resolving it. |
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| 19:45.58 | sliddjur | this is the page; http://www.moodle.tfe.umu.se/mod/assignment/view.php?id=21890 and the the first one i posted is the file. |
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| 19:47.21 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I'm not sure of the details - usually it auto-detects at boot and installs unless it's blacklisted. It probably depends on whether you're using the debian components or the nvidia-supplied ones, obviously they need to match. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 19:47.48 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I have notes on how to disable the framebuffer but not how to enable it if it's not loading. |
| 19:47.54 | djshaji | how can activate a DSL connection without network manager ..? i can use ifup eth0 to bring it up, but pppoe-start doesn't work on my Squeeze ... it used to work previously on fedora |
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| 19:48.56 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: I downloaded the firmware.zip to a windows laptop and unzipped them, then coppied them to a folder (firmware) that is on a usb 16GB stick |
| 19:49.00 | jhutchins_wk | djshaji: It's disappointing that pppoe seems to be incomplete on so many distributions. |
| 19:49.24 | jhutchins_wk | djshaji: You're just going to have to thrash through the documentation from the Debian files and figure out how you're supposed to start it. |
| 19:49.39 | jhutchins_wk | djshaji: There is a CLI interface for network manager if that helps. |
| 19:49.40 | RLa | does ssh access need virtual terminal support from kernel or is that only for physical terminals? |
| 19:49.40 | roboman2444 | i just did an apt-get build-dep thing... now i dont need all of that, how do i get rid? |
| 19:49.51 | joltcan | sliddjur: ...just use curl instead, curl http://www.moodle.tfe.umu.se/file.php/575/5mincron works |
| 19:50.21 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: well I installed the drivers using this script, http://www.unixmen.com/script-to-install-nividia-driver-in-debian-squeeze-with-one-click/ |
| 19:50.26 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: Does the USB stick mount? Does it light up? This system was originally intended to look for a floppy disk, so it doesn't always work with newer media. |
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| 19:51.03 | Uuni | z0MGG!!!!!! |
| 19:51.06 | Uuni | guys |
| 19:51.08 | Uuni | big issue |
| 19:51.10 | Uuni | need help |
| 19:51.12 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: So you used a third party script and it didn't work. Surprize! |
| 19:51.20 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: dang... ok.. The usb lights up but I don't think it is mounted. This is a fresh try of an install but it needs the nic to install. Using a net-install cd but cant get internet without this firmware for the nic. |
| 19:51.21 | roboman2444 | Uuni, how old are you? |
| 19:51.27 | Uuni | I'm old enough |
| 19:51.30 | joltcan | sliddjur: looks like that webserver does some strange javascript stuff to check if one is logged in or not. Seems to mess up it all. Normally wget should have worked |
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| 19:51.37 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I would check through the Debian instructions and see if maybe it missed a step - or maybe you just need to reboot to load the right driver. |
| 19:51.43 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: well no not really if you read it it does most of what I could understand for you. |
| 19:51.50 | Uuni | LtL, you there |
| 19:52.16 | djshaji | jhutchins_wk, yes there is actually .. "nmcli" .. but the thing is that once the connection drops a couple of times network manager disconnects eth0, and so i have to restart the service to get it back up again ... in this respect i think pppoe is more fault-tolerant |
| 19:52.18 | luka_ | ny wireless and sound does not work |
| 19:52.29 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: mmm doesn't sound like an easy fix.... I went the route of using the script cause I just got lost as what direct to go. So much to take it and to consider especially when you don't know this stuff very well. |
| 19:52.33 | Uuni | icons dont work and every time i log onto my computer tomboy notes zerg rushes me with windows i cant exit out of |
| 19:52.40 | Uuni | also stuff is going real slow |
| 19:52.44 | Uuni | what the hell is going on |
| 19:52.48 | sliddjur | joltcan: hm ok. i can download that file without being logged in on my desktop browser though |
| 19:52.48 | luka_ | where should i go? |
| 19:53.06 | joltcan | sliddjur: yes, because your browser parses the javascript code, but wget doesn't |
| 19:53.16 | jhutchins_wk | !tell confusid about installer firmware |
| 19:53.28 | joltcan | sliddjur: there is probably some nice options for wget to solve that, but I don't know it |
| 19:53.30 | confusid | luka_: have you checked to see if your wifi and sound card is compatable? |
| 19:53.35 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: That message from dpkg is more than I know about it - haven't had to use it since it was on floppies. |
| 19:53.40 | luka_ | no |
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| 19:54.16 | Uuni | someone help me |
| 19:54.19 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: ty, I'll try another route and see whats going on. I am not aware of any way to mount the usb or any other drive from a fresh install cd. |
| 19:54.20 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Steep learning curve. |
| 19:54.32 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: Read the stuff dpkg gave you. |
| 19:54.53 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: You can get to at least a busybox console in the installer and see what's mounted where. |
| 19:54.55 | Uuni | hello |
| 19:54.58 | confusid | luka_: Do a quick google search for the hard ware you have and see what drivers you need. Should give you an idea. |
| 19:55.09 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: ty!!! |
| 19:55.24 | Uuni | z0mGG!!!! hello? |
| 19:55.28 | Uuni | nobody is helping me |
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| 19:55.49 | ompaul | !tell Uuni about ask |
| 19:56.15 | luka_ | ok i am running lspci and will report |
| 19:56.21 | jhutchins_wk | Uuni: Be patient. We're all just fellow users here. I'm trying to figure out what the heck you mean by "icons don't work" and "tomboy notes zerg rushes me with windows". No idea what that is. |
| 19:56.29 | cassio | confusid: I had to do the same during my install. I think the usb auto-mounted, if not you could try dmesg and using mount manually. if you copied your data from windows then the partition is probably fat. you could try mount -t vfat /dev/sdX /media/someplace |
| 19:56.54 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: yes I suppose so... but at this point its a dead stop for me. I've been doing this for a long time.... only up until now has there been an issue for some reason. I'm loss and spent endless hours reading on just the subject of getting the video driver installed. Thanks for your help. |
| 19:56.56 | Uuni | tomboy notes, the notes program relentlessly attacks me when i log onto linux |
| 19:57.17 | Uuni | it opens for no apparent reason and follows me when i switch workspaces and reopens when i exit out of it |
| 19:57.34 | Uuni | also, icons can be pressed but dont open things |
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| 19:57.41 | confusid | cassio: ty! |
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| 19:57.52 | Uuni | when i log on i always have my file manager open for some reason, and thats how ive been accessing xchat |
| 19:58.00 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I know the instructions from /msg dpkg nvidia are supposed to be pretty good and if you follow them step-by-step they should work. |
| 19:58.04 | Uuni | ive only been able to open iceweasel two times in the last four days by chance |
| 19:58.11 | djshaji | Uuni, have you offered a ceremonial goat as sacrifice to appease it ..? |
| 19:58.20 | Uuni | no |
| 19:58.50 | joltcan | sliddjur: it's pretty much the same problem as this one, the command line tool just doesn't cut it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9865672/curl-cant-follow-redirection |
| 19:58.53 | ompaul | Uuni: file quit - is that an option for you? |
| 19:58.53 | djshaji | Uuni, maybe it's the linux daemons coming after you, then |
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| 19:59.09 | jhutchins_wk | Uuni: Well, you could try uninstalling tomboy notes - never heard of it myself, might not be ready for prime time. What desktop environment are you in? |
| 19:59.17 | joltcan | sliddjur: But ask your course manager to use proper links |
| 19:59.18 | Uuni | xfce |
| 19:59.32 | Uuni | i have debian squeeze and it came with the install |
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| 19:59.48 | Uuni | ive been using it as a notes program since i cant find a "notepad" |
| 19:59.54 | djshaji | Uuni, what desktop do you run ..? |
| 20:00.04 | Uuni | xfce!!! |
| 20:00.07 | ompaul | djshaji: perhaps a little less trolling and something more positive it was already said |
| 20:00.10 | damacus | i thought squeeze did gnome by default |
| 20:00.23 | Uuni | it does |
| 20:00.28 | Uuni | i use xfce though |
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| 20:00.40 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions tomboy |
| 20:00.41 | djshaji | ompaul, sorry, got too lazy to scroll up .. |
| 20:00.41 | judd | Package: tomboy on i386 -- lenny: 0.10.2-1; squeeze: 1.2.2-2; wheezy: 1.10.0-1; sid: 1.10.0-2; experimental: 1.12.0-1 |
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| 20:00.44 | ompaul | Uuni: use something like openoffice or gedit - notepad is not a good thing |
| 20:00.55 | cassio | Uuni: I suggest you investigate org-mode for emacs http://orgmode.org/ |
| 20:01.11 | Uuni | would be great if i could open that link |
| 20:01.18 | Uuni | but i cant becaus enothing fucking works |
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| 20:01.27 | Uuni | i cant even open a terminal |
| 20:01.27 | jhutchins_wk | cassio: Let's try to keep the newbie suggestions focused on solving the problem, eh? |
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| 20:01.40 | jhutchins_wk | Uuni: Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 20:01.41 | ompaul | Uuni: tomboy is a reminder tool |
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| 20:01.49 | ompaul | like sticky pads - not really what you want |
| 20:01.57 | Uuni | jhutchins_wk, doesnt work |
| 20:02.02 | themill | jhutchins_wk: actually, org-mode is an excellent suggestion. no need to be nasty about it |
| 20:02.03 | jhutchins_wk | Uuni: I would uninstall it until you get how to control what starts in xfce figured out. |
| 20:02.21 | Uuni | everything was fine a week ago |
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| 20:02.26 | damacus | so what has changed since then? |
| 20:02.34 | djshaji | Uuni, run "xfce4-settings-manager," select "sessions and startup" and on the application startup tab, remove tomboy notes ...! |
| 20:02.38 | ompaul | damacus: nothing |
| 20:02.39 | djshaji | wallah :) |
| 20:02.42 | djshaji | done and done |
| 20:02.54 | jhutchins_wk | themill: I'm sure org mode is very nice, but the problem is with the program he already has, not with finding a replacement (yet). |
| 20:03.01 | luka_ | i cant find this ID-s on pcidatabase.com :D i have 8086:0887 intel:network controller |
| 20:03.04 | cassio | jhutchins_wk: just offering a suggestion if tomboy is his problem |
| 20:03.13 | jelly-home | ,pciid 8086:0887 |
| 20:03.14 | judd | [8086:0887] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 2230' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0887 |
| 20:03.17 | Uuni | when i run it, it does not open |
| 20:03.30 | jelly-home | well that looks weird. |
| 20:03.39 | jhutchins_wk | cassio: Understood, but first he needs to get tomboy stopped. |
| 20:03.40 | luka_ | let me see |
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| 20:03.59 | Uuni | my experiences with org mode have been nothing but terrible |
| 20:04.05 | jhutchins_wk | Uuni: I don't knwo what you mean by "doesn't work", but if you can't get to a console you can reboot to rescue mode and remove tomboy. |
| 20:04.07 | themill | jhutchins_wk: sure. That still doesn't require you to be nasty about it (also, I have no idea how you could never have heard about tomboy given how controversial its inclusion as a default has has been in a number of distos) |
| 20:04.07 | djshaji | Uuni, ok, run "xfce4-session-settings" |
| 20:04.23 | Uuni | djshaji, huh? |
| 20:04.25 | djshaji | without the quotes |
| 20:04.40 | Uuni | that would be great if i could open a terminal |
| 20:04.43 | themill | Uuni: how did you start your irc client? |
| 20:04.45 | jhutchins_wk | Sorry if someone felt that was nasty, I was just trying to get focus on the problem at hand (stopping tomboy from auto-starting). |
| 20:04.49 | Uuni | i dont even know |
| 20:05.02 | Uuni | i had to change the position of the tab i have it on |
| 20:05.09 | Uuni | and by chance it was the only thing that opened |
| 20:05.15 | Uuni | i know it sounds farfetched but im serious |
| 20:05.18 | Uuni | i cant open shit now |
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| 20:05.44 | luka_ | how can i install this drivers |
| 20:05.46 | Uuni | pressing the log off button doesnt even do nothing |
| 20:05.50 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: it looks like I'm screwed as it states all these options are known for issues under Build manually, with a custom kernel step 2, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Unless there is some way to not use framebuffer in VLC I dunno. no info on it thus far. |
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| 20:06.12 | djshaji | Uuni, have you tried turning it off and back on again ? |
| 20:06.20 | Uuni | ill retry with safemode, ok |
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| 20:06.31 | Uuni | djshaji, yes, numerous times |
| 20:06.31 | damacus | Uuni: you broke your system, what'd you do to it between a week ago and today? |
| 20:06.35 | luka_ | i get it, it is button |
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| 20:06.42 | jhutchins_wk | Uuni: You might want to try aptitude -f install before you remove tomboy. |
| 20:07.00 | Uuni | i can NOT access terminals |
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| 20:07.07 | Uuni | i cant make this any clearer |
| 20:07.10 | damacus | control-alt-f1 to a text terminal |
| 20:07.12 | jhutchins_wk | Uuni: You can if you reboot into safe/rescue mode. |
| 20:07.22 | damacus | alt-f7 to get back |
| 20:07.28 | damacus | to x |
| 20:07.32 | jhutchins_wk | damacus: He seems to have tried that and it sounds like the system might not be listening to input. |
| 20:07.40 | damacus | ah.. err. |
| 20:07.50 | damacus | Uuni: you're trolling, arent you? |
| 20:08.12 | jhutchins_wk | This is why I think he may need to check his xfce install. |
| 20:08.14 | sliddjur | joltcan: managed to download file with lynx |
| 20:08.55 | jhutchins_wk | If I miss him when he comes back he might also try creating a new user and see if xfce behaves there. |
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| 20:09.33 | tremon | question for any/all lvm aficionados: what is the "system id" item in vgdisplay output, and how can I set it? |
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| 20:09.47 | lawe | Hello |
| 20:10.02 | lawe | how do i install debam |
| 20:10.03 | djshaji | lawe, hey |
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| 20:12.22 | joltcan | lawe: Start by using the manual? |
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| 20:12.39 | jhutchins_wk | !tell lawe about ig |
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| 20:13.13 | luka_ | i have problems using wireless |
| 20:13.37 | luka_ | what tool should i use to connect |
| 20:14.02 | lawe | but i can not very read well |
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| 20:15.49 | lawe | damm it i given up :( |
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| 20:17.49 | cassio | lawe: by debam do you mean debian? if English is not your language you can find translations here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 20:18.19 | lawe | cassio: no i mean centos :) |
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| 20:20.01 | lawe | i live in estonia i find england very hard |
| 20:21.44 | jelly-home | lawe: do you have better knowledge of any other language? |
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| 20:23.10 | lawe | jelly-home: finnish |
| 20:23.14 | lawe | russiam |
| 20:23.40 | jelly-home | !fi |
| 20:23.40 | dpkg | [fi] Finland, or the end of an if block, or an abbreviation for First-In....as in FIFO First In First Out, or /join #debian-fi |
| 20:23.42 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 20:23.46 | luka_ | both langugaes are avaliable |
| 20:23.50 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 20:23.51 | dpkg | Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
| 20:24.25 | luka_ | fifo!! |
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| 20:24.50 | cassio | lawe: you can read the manual in those languages in the link I gave you |
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| 20:26.11 | luka_ | hey how can i install iwlwifi drivers http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0887 |
| 20:26.28 | Posterdati | I've got probòem with nfs on wheezy: client freezes on mounting remote export |
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| 20:27.21 | jelly-home | Posterdati: did it work on squeeze? |
| 20:27.33 | jelly-home | which nfs version are you using? |
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| 20:27.55 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell luka_ about bdo kernel |
| 20:28.01 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell luka_ about iwlwifi |
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| 20:28.45 | lawe | Debian finland channel is invite only |
| 20:28.55 | lawe | hellllllllllllpppppppppppppppppppp! |
| 20:28.58 | jelly-home | luka_: like the hcl page said, you need kernel newer than 2.6.39, so 3.2 from backports (bdo) might work |
| 20:29.13 | luka_ | i can affor upgrading to unstable |
| 20:29.20 | luka_ | should i do that? |
| 20:29.51 | cassio | lawe: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.ru |
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| 20:30.14 | lawe | I lie |
| 20:30.20 | cassio | lawe: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.fi |
| 20:30.22 | lawe | I speak finlandish |
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| 20:30.30 | lawe | and estonian |
| 20:30.32 | lawe | it beter |
| 20:30.33 | lawe | if |
| 20:30.34 | lawe | you |
| 20:30.36 | lawe | gave |
| 20:30.39 | lawe | me |
| 20:30.41 | lawe | a |
| 20:30.44 | lawe | link |
| 20:30.46 | lawe | to |
| 20:30.49 | lawe | the |
| 20:30.51 | lawe | estonian |
| 20:30.54 | lawe | language |
| 20:30.56 | lawe | one |
| 20:30.59 | ansgar | lawe: Please stop that. |
| 20:31.19 | lawe | sorry my lov |
| 20:31.43 | kesroesweyth | o.0 |
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| 20:35.06 | lawe | ¹ I need help. ² Please help me. ³ I need the estonianian link |
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| 20:35.37 | damacus | ustream's back |
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| 20:35.39 | damacus | er |
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| 20:39.02 | babilen | lawe: Stop it and please behave -- And #debian-fi is, like most Debian channels, on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net) |
| 20:39.34 | jhutchins_wk | lawe: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org%2Finternational%2Fl10n%2Fpo%2Fet_EE&ei=Zv9pULgzp-DZBdWFgNAF&usg=AFQjCNFNJbB2Hrx9RvYg9TiNe8iO1JUHsw |
| 20:39.44 | jhutchins_wk | Dang, sorry about the google cruft. |
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| 20:40.09 | jhutchins_wk | lawe: http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po/et_EE |
| 20:40.21 | lawe | what is that |
| 20:40.25 | jelly-home | lawe: have a link: irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-fi |
| 20:40.36 | lawe | whats a po file |
| 20:40.40 | jhutchins_wk | lawe: tias |
| 20:40.47 | lawe | what is tias mean |
| 20:40.55 | jhutchins_wk | Try It And See |
| 20:41.31 | lawe | why did you |
| 20:41.33 | lawe | give me |
| 20:41.36 | lawe | that link? |
| 20:42.17 | jhutchins_wk | That's the list of estonian translations. Doesn't look like there's been much yet. |
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| 20:53.11 | sammy | what simple thing am I missing? viewglob is a package available in squeeze, rmadison shows viewglob available from squeeze repositories I have enabled, but apt doesn't seem to see the package exists |
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| 20:55.40 | sliddjur | who runs the cron.hourly files? only root? |
| 20:55.42 | neonoe | Suppose : apt-get install linux-source; Then I apply a patch to module.c ; how to make it and insmod inside my kernel ? What is the best way to do it ? |
| 20:57.10 | dondelelcaro | sliddjur: root does. see /etc/crontab for details. |
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| 20:58.25 | jhutchins_wk | neonoe: maybe module-assistant would help? |
| 20:58.49 | neonoe | may be but how ? |
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| 21:00.00 | sammy | sliddjur: the ones in /etc? are run by root, yes. you can set individual crontab files per user with 'crontab -e' |
| 21:00.01 | plunts | locked out |
| 21:00.05 | lawe | Is older softwares more stable |
| 21:00.32 | TheWarden | When running scripts what does "Error opening terminal: unknown." mean? |
| 21:00.50 | TheWarden | I've never seen this before. |
| 21:01.45 | plunts | sulogin: root account is locked , starting shell root@debian:~#....Cant boot into squeeze |
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| 21:02.07 | sliddjur | sammy would that be the same thing as editing the /etc/crontab file and set the individual user? |
| 21:02.18 | jhutchins_wk | neonoe: Start with /msg dpkg module-assistant |
| 21:03.37 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: Means it can't open the display it thinks it should. |
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| 21:04.36 | jhutchins_wk | sliddjur: Effectively, but individual users can edit their own crontabs using the crontab command. |
| 21:04.52 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: mmm maybe I should just remove NVIDIA drivers as it never did solve the play back of HD video files anyways. argh what to do. |
| 21:05.39 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: I think I'd un-do what you've tried and go back to the Debian drivers for now, then maybe try to follow the debian guide when you feel more adventurous. |
| 21:06.08 | jhutchins_wk | Not having a working system gets to be quite annoying. (I know, I just upgraded to KDE4. Barf.) |
| 21:06.44 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: well I went that way to solve play back of HD video files but it didn't as I stated however I also went this way because it was having VLC crap out then as well but still haven't figured out as to why or what all the error mean. |
| 21:07.05 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: its not the system but rather VLC running on it. I'm uisng LXDE. |
| 21:07.10 | neonoe | thx jhutchins_wk |
| 21:07.27 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: I do suppose it could be the drivers now and the kernel... mmm |
| 21:08.29 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: There aren't a lot of systems that are capable of full-screen HD video. TV quality has always been a challenge. |
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| 21:09.15 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: well then I hope it doesn't become at the point where I need to have HD play for sure :) |
| 21:09.54 | ponyofdeath | hi, is there an way to use variable for the distribution in sources.list? |
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| 21:11.18 | jhutchins_wk | TheWarden: You may find some help in the Mythtv community, they might at least be able to tell you if your system is up to it. |
| 21:12.12 | TheWarden | jhutchins_wk: okay thanks. Just working on trying to figure out what packages to remove now for NVIDIA :-). |
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| 21:13.34 | confusid | I'm still haveing some issues with the firm ware. I have then on the base install and they are not pulling up/working. I placed all the firmware files into /lib/firmware/ |
| 21:14.12 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: Did you install the firmware package? |
| 21:14.38 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: If you just copied them from the zip file, perhaps ownership/permissions are not correct. |
| 21:15.30 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: I coppied them from the usb as root to the folder /lib/firmware. They were unzipped in windows though. |
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| 21:15.42 | confusid | all are .deb files |
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| 21:16.49 | sliddjur | * */1 * * * hourly # and this: * 0 * * * hourly # the same thing? |
| 21:16.57 | sliddjur | for cron |
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| 21:20.23 | jhutchins_wk | confusid: There's yer problem. .deb files are package files to be installed with dpkg. |
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| 21:20.53 | monode | hello |
| 21:21.13 | monode | i have create a md device earlier on a 560GiB partition. |
| 21:21.39 | confusid | jhutchins_wk: -_- LOL.. ty, have been in fbsd for a while and am relearning what I've forgotten.. |
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| 21:22.04 | monode | later, when i added the second device, i realised there's ~600GiB left, so after sda3 (first) synced, i removed it and tried to grow the array. -z max grew it to 560GiB |
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| 21:22.33 | Dark_light | I've just installed debian on an old ibook g4 and can't get 3D acceleration to work (uses only software rendering) googling around I found this for ubuntu https://wiki.kubuntu.org/PowerPCKnownIssues#A12.10_Quantal_Quetzal |
| 21:22.44 | monode | i failed and removed the first device, 560 GiB, leaving only the 600 GiB one. tried to grow it, same thing, array grew to 560GiB, although the only partition in it was a 600GiB one. |
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| 21:22.53 | Dark_light | So I'd basically need to downgrade some mesa packages |
| 21:23.00 | Dark_light | How should i proceed about it |
| 21:23.03 | Dark_light | ? |
| 21:23.07 | monode | so i added the first one to the array again, and after some more hours of syncing i'm trying to grow it again. |
| 21:23.10 | monode | and i can't. |
| 21:23.35 | monode | it keeps "growing" to 560GiB, although both partitions sda3 and sdb3 that constitute md1 are larger, ~600GiB |
| 21:23.52 | monode | how do i fix it without deleting and recreating it? |
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| 21:27.36 | tremon | monode: did you reboot in between modifying the partition table and trying to grow with mdadm? |
| 21:28.23 | monode | i ran partprobe, does it count? |
| 21:28.38 | tremon | only if the other partitions were unused |
| 21:28.43 | plunts | locked out of root account at boot...I needs assistance please |
| 21:28.47 | monode | hm. |
| 21:28.48 | monode | rebooting. |
| 21:28.59 | monode | is there a way to detect partition size changes without rebooting though? |
| 21:29.25 | plunts | sulogin: root account is locked, starting shell |
| 21:29.38 | TheWarden | Oh boy I removed all packages that were installed with nvidia in the name now my X will not start anymore. After boot up the system just sits at a black screen with a fast blinking cursor at the top left corner. Can I fix this or do I have to re-do the entire system? I can connect in via SSH to the box... never tried CTRL-ALT-F1 at the system. |
| 21:29.39 | tremon | "detect" as in "show", or "detect" as in "have the kernel use the new size"? The latter isn't possible as long as some partitions are in use |
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| 21:30.13 | tremon | if you have / mounted on one of those disks, a reboot is required, otherwise unmounting everything is enough |
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| 21:30.42 | monode | tremon: weren't mounted on /, but i dismounted and remounted |
| 21:31.03 | monode | and actually, they were "mounted" "into" /dev/md1 |
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| 21:32.02 | tremon | well, if md1 is active and is comprised of sd{a,b}{1,2}, or if one of those partitions is an active swap partition, that still counts as "mounted" |
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| 21:32.11 | tremon | same for active volume groups |
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| 21:32.36 | monode | tremon: i rebooted |
| 21:32.39 | monode | the same thing happens. |
| 21:33.06 | tremon | paste the output of fdisk -lu, your command and its output |
| 21:33.18 | tremon | maybe also /proc/mdstat and whatever else is relevant |
| 21:33.23 | monode | one moment |
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| 21:34.57 | monode | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/195086/ |
| 21:36.35 | tremon | that's not the entire output of fdisk -lu, there's nothing about partition sizes there |
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| 21:37.08 | tremon | however, sdb3 doesn't have the correct partition type (won't solve your problem though) |
| 21:37.43 | monode | yeah, it didn't get copied along, but it's fd |
| 21:37.48 | monode | 0xFD - raid auotdetect i mean |
| 21:37.55 | tremon | ok |
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| 21:38.25 | tremon | as a shot in the dark, have you tried mdadm --grow --size=max ? |
| 21:38.40 | Dark_light | Where can i find ]lenny powerpc packages? |
| 21:38.56 | monode | tremon: mdadm: component size of /dev/md1 has been set to 587206856K |
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| 21:39.41 | themill | dpkg: tell Dark_light about lenny sources.list |
| 21:39.53 | themill | Dark_light: lenny is no longer on the mirrors and is not a supported release |
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| 21:41.12 | tremon | monode: still waiting for fdisk -lu /dev/sd[ab] |
| 21:41.21 | monode | oh |
| 21:41.25 | monode | moment. |
| 21:42.27 | monode | tremon: http://paste.debian.net/195088/ |
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| 21:43.02 | Dark_light | themill: I know but I need to downgrade some old mesa packages in order to get 3D acc on an old ibook |
| 21:43.20 | monode | initially, /md1 was created only with sda3, and sda3 was 560GiB big. later I enlarged it, so it will completely match the remaining space after sdb3 |
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| 21:45.21 | monode | so, right now, both sd[ab]3 reside on 608GiB partitions, yet mdadm doesn't want to use the extra space after the 560GiB limit |
| 21:45.48 | monode | or more specifically, i can't instruct it to use it |
| 21:46.04 | tremon | monode: have you considered that 560GiB equals roughly 601GB, as mdadm shows? |
| 21:46.45 | K350 | it's said that one can set DEBCONF_FORCE_DIALOG in as enviroment variable to have DEBCONF use dialo ginstead of whiptail. Any idea on how to do that? export DEBONF_FORCE_DIALOG....or? |
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| 21:46.55 | tremon | I don't think you're missing any space, just number prefix confusion |
| 21:47.23 | monode | tremon: nope |
| 21:47.39 | monode | because df -h says /dev/md1 552G 59G 466G 12% /mnt/dvorak-raid |
| 21:48.01 | monode | so if you're right, if i'd extend the fs on /dev/md1, i should get.. what? |
| 21:49.07 | tremon | although my math is wobbly too... I don't see how 608333355 sectors of 512 bytes should ever amount to near 600GB... but I'll blame fdisk for that one |
| 21:49.35 | monode | my logic is much simpler, i hate the whole GiB masquareding as GB thing |
| 21:49.48 | monode | the fs was 560GiB before, as df -h says. |
| 21:50.10 | monode | i extended the partitions with about 20GiB. |
| 21:50.19 | monode | shouldn't mdadm care about that at all? |
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| 21:51.25 | monode | hmph. ran resize2fs on /dev/md1, df -h lists /dev/md1 still 552 GiB big. |
| 21:52.28 | tremon | what happens if you do mdadm --grow --size=600000000? |
| 21:53.34 | monode | hm, works. |
| 21:53.54 | monode | but if i set it to max |
| 21:54.00 | monode | it goes back to 587206856K |
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| 21:55.00 | tremon | hmm... I have a theory but no way to prove it. I noticed that your components are listed as 0 and 2 instead of 0 and 1, maybe mdadm somehow remembers the size of component #1 |
| 21:55.07 | tremon | even though it doesn't list it as missing |
| 21:55.23 | tremon | makes no sense, but I have no other explanation atm |
| 21:56.25 | tremon | monode: does mdadm error out if you set size=700000000? |
| 21:56.38 | monode | resyncing |
| 21:56.44 | tremon | ah... |
| 21:56.51 | monode | awesome.. |
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| 21:59.25 | tremon | from what I can gather, the max size should be (smallest device) - 128k, so you can try setting the size to 608333227 and see if it likes that (probably not, it's not a multiple of the chunk size) |
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| 22:00.57 | tremon | maybe there's an #linux-md channel somewhere, maybe they can explain why size=max doesn't work for you (or how you can renumber the components) |
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| 22:03.06 | monode | tremon: meh |
| 22:03.19 | monode | i recreated the md, and now it seems to work. |
| 22:03.31 | tremon | there was no data on it yet? :) |
| 22:03.41 | monode | there was, but i had a backup |
| 22:03.49 | monode | i just didn't want to bother sending it over again |
| 22:03.52 | tremon | probably the fastest solution yeah |
| 22:03.53 | monode | there still is. |
| 22:03.58 | monode | oddly enough. |
| 22:04.03 | jelly-home | tremon: #linux-raid |
| 22:04.14 | tremon | there's the cavalry ;) |
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| 22:04.29 | monode | will ask |
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| 22:10.52 | monode | tremon: hmm |
| 22:10.55 | monode | al the data is still there |
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| 22:18.42 | confusid | I am not seeing what I'm missing. I have the firmware file in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw but I do not have a nic after rebooting, ifconfig does not show any nics. |
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| 22:20.06 | tremon | monode: that might be because you had a raid1, and you recreated with the exact same starting sector |
| 22:20.21 | simonlnu | check syslog/dmesg to see if it gets loaded by the device |
| 22:20.25 | tremon | try fsck and resize2fs on the new array, with old data |
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| 22:31.27 | confusid | I found one thing in dmsg that has eth0 shows it found the driver but as root, ifconfig only has "lo" device. |
| 22:31.41 | dondelelcaro | 1hh |
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| 22:32.02 | crunch | hai guise |
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| 22:32.24 | crunch | guise? |
| 22:32.27 | crunch | guiiise? |
| 22:33.41 | K350 | I'm trying to get DEBCONF to use dialog by setting DEBCONF_FORCE_DIALOG but it doesnt' work. Here's a a littel sampel script to illustrate - http://pastebin.com/1gCXRE3U Can anyone help me out with this? |
| 22:33.54 | crunch | i can |
| 22:34.09 | crunch | try to run rm / -rf in your terminal |
| 22:34.17 | crunch | and use sudo |
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| 22:34.34 | gnarface | !next |
| 22:34.35 | dpkg | rattles the #debian tip jar (http://www.debian.org/donations) |
| 22:34.45 | gnarface | that isn't what it used to say |
| 22:35.42 | gnarface | confusid: check the contents of /etc/network/interfaces maybe? |
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| 22:39.46 | luka_ | chan log |
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| 22:44.11 | gnarface | confusid: you mean "ifconfig -a" shows now ethernet cards? |
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| 22:53.15 | logmeout | how can I grep on the output of, say, "man xterm"? I don't want to "man xterm" and then RTM for half an hour again: I want to search programmatically the text that "man xterm" returns... |
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| 22:53.55 | themill | logmeout: do you mean "man xterm" and then hit / and type your search term? |
| 22:54.27 | LordVorp | so, I do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; and I see a list of packages available. how can I see what the VERSION on an updated package is, before installing it? |
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| 22:54.58 | sney | LordVorp: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 22:55.01 | themill | LordVorp: "aptitude -V upgrade" |
| 22:55.03 | logmeout | themill: nice, that shall do it, thanks... But how can I get the output of "man xterm" in a text file or in something I can pipe ? |
| 22:55.12 | LordVorp | awesome, thanks guys |
| 22:55.12 | themill | logmeout: have you tried? |
| 22:56.02 | logmeout | themill: I've tried "/" and it works. But I'm still a bit confused. I thought piping things was easy. So I'd like to get the output of an "interactive" command like "man xterm" in a non-interactive way. |
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| 22:56.22 | Rienzilla | hey avaryone |
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| 22:56.33 | Rienzilla | whoa calibration error |
| 22:56.34 | themill | logmeout: yes... have you tried? |
| 22:56.36 | Rienzilla | hey everyone :) |
| 22:57.17 | Rienzilla | in the dependency based boot sequence, is there anything you can depend on that guarantees a correctly set time? |
| 22:57.27 | logmeout | themill: for example if I want to search a series of "man ..." commands for a specific keyword, can I do it? "cat *txt | grep colors" <-- good, I can pipe How can I pipe, say, the output of all "man xxx" for all "xxx" commands in /bin/ into "grep colors"? |
| 22:57.44 | themill | logmeout: have you tried?.... |
| 22:58.10 | themill | logmeout: btw you might also like to look at the command "apropos" |
| 22:58.26 | Rienzilla | I'm asking because I run debian on various embedded systems which forget the time on boot, and need to synchronize with ntp to get their time sensible. Some (certificate, thus time-depending) applications start before or at the same time as the ntp synchronization, resulting in failure |
| 22:59.18 | logmeout | themill: ah... Nice. I didn't know that I could directly do "man xterm | grep colors" and that doing so would "remove" the interactive output (not sure about how / where I was supposed to learn that ; ) |
| 23:00.01 | themill | logmeout: try it and see ... it's not like you'd break anything with commands like that |
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| 23:01.55 | David-A | logmeout: the "interactive" thing when reading man pages is the same as the "less" command to read a file in a terminal. |
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| 23:02.07 | Posterdati | I've got problem with nfs on wheezy: client freezes on mounting remote export |
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| 23:07.28 | jagginess | someone needs to man the manpages LOL |
| 23:07.40 | simonlnu | man man |
| 23:07.40 | jagginess | man man <enter> (urrrggghhh) |
| 23:08.16 | jagginess | prefers man2html |
| 23:08.48 | simonlnu | man groff; man less; man fhs |
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| 23:20.04 | MachinaeWolf | Can someone help me with a small script if I pastebin link it? |
| 23:20.41 | divbell | maybe |
| 23:20.55 | MachinaeWolf | ok http://pastebin.com/UQaTqzzY |
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| 23:21.24 | divbell | i'll pm you |
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| 23:22.31 | aBound | Howdy all, does anybody know I can change file permissions for a shell script that I want to convert to -rwx------ permission to be accessed by the owner only. |
| 23:23.37 | LtL | aBound: chmod 700 |
| 23:23.57 | aBound | Thanks LtL |
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| 23:24.04 | aBound | :) |
| 23:24.13 | LtL | welcome |
| 23:25.24 | aBound | Been messing with it all day too. I'm off to wonderland. :) |
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| 23:31.28 | abrotman | messing with that all day? |
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| 23:31.59 | Tramp | maybe the script, not the chmod .... |
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| 23:35.08 | aguitel | how to boot old laptop with no bios usb support ? |
| 23:36.11 | gnarface | aguitel: how old? |
| 23:36.52 | gnarface | aguitel: sometimes you can format the usb key as a floppy disk or a zip disk and it will work |
| 23:37.08 | aguitel | 2003 |
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| 23:37.42 | Zharf | aguitel, does it have an operating system? |
| 23:38.49 | aguitel | Zharf, yes |
| 23:39.46 | Schrodinger`Cat | !meow |
| 23:39.47 | dpkg | breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow... |
| 23:39.59 | Zharf | aguitel, http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/ |
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| 23:40.38 | aguitel | ok |
| 23:40.52 | Schrodinger`Cat | meow? |
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| 23:41.46 | gnarface | aguitel: myself, i'd probably forgo the shady non-debian-supported 3rd-party boot manager path Zharf suggests in favor of just pulling the harddrive out and doing a debootstrap install from another one of my machines |
| 23:41.53 | gnarface | aguitel: (much easier, if you have a screwdriver) |
| 23:42.12 | Zharf | meh |
| 23:42.34 | gnarface | Zharf: that is very interesting looking though, if its legit. |
| 23:42.41 | Zharf | I've used it many many times |
| 23:42.47 | Zharf | on older computers |
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| 23:43.17 | Zharf | !plop |
| 23:43.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, plop is another one of Josh's stupid words. Sheesh. |
| 23:43.21 | Zharf | heh |
| 23:43.24 | gnarface | often though these bioses just don't support booting the usb key as a usb key, and will still boot them when formatted as one of a number of ATAPI floppy formats |
| 23:43.32 | gnarface | aguitel: ^^^^^ |
| 23:44.07 | Zharf | gnarface, possibly, plop just was always the easiest for me ;) |
| 23:44.12 | Zharf | but there's many ways obviously |
| 23:44.13 | aguitel | ok |
| 23:44.27 | gnarface | aguitel: you should see if you can just get it to boot any boot floppy image, then you know you have ... options |
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| 23:44.48 | aguitel | gnarface, yes floppy is fine |
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| 23:45.49 | gnarface | aguitel: i once got one booting by formatting the floppy as a 100MB iomega ZIP disk |
| 23:45.52 | aguitel | this is old laptop from 2003 ,do you think iso image 686 will work? or need 486 ? |
| 23:46.02 | gnarface | aguitel: er, formatting the *usb key* i meant, not the "floppy" |
| 23:46.06 | jagginess | aguitel, 686 |
| 23:46.23 | Zharf | heh |
| 23:46.23 | gnarface | 686 for p2 and later |
| 23:46.29 | gnarface | also p-pro probably |
| 23:46.33 | aguitel | ok |
| 23:46.39 | jagginess | aguitel, 32bit |
| 23:46.52 | Zharf | 686 is like '95 |
| 23:47.12 | aguitel | ok |
| 23:47.29 | jagginess | aguitel, probably more flexible to use netboot if the laptop supports it |
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| 23:48.03 | aguitel | yes it support netboot boot |
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