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| 00:01.31 | Flynsarmy | I've fired up debian with a larger hard drive. what's the command to resize the partition to use up all teh space on hte hdd? i've used it once before but forgotten |
| 00:01.40 | abrotman | parted ? |
| 00:01.51 | Flynsarmy | resize2fs i believe |
| 00:01.58 | dvs | resize2fs? |
| 00:02.05 | Flynsarmy | Usage: resize2fs [-d debug_flags] [-f] [-F] [-M] [-P] [-p] device [new_size] |
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| 00:04.22 | ag4ve | starting from the top - delete partition, make partition starting with the same offset, end at the last block of the disk, w, reboot, resize2fs |
| 00:04.49 | Flynsarmy | awesome :) got it. resize2fs /dev/xvda1 7864320 |
| 00:05.02 | ag4ve | needs no warranty, because you can't squeeze blood from a turnip of you mess that up :) |
| 00:05.54 | Flynsarmy | it's an ec2. i snapshotted the 5GB drive, created a new volume of 30GB, attached to the ec2 instance, fired it up but debian still had the smaller partition on the larger drive. the resize2fs command fixed it |
| 00:06.05 | ag4ve | should look for a way to rescan the mbr live ... that would be awesome |
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| 00:41.57 | Uuni | guys i fixed everything |
| 00:42.04 | Uuni | damacus, i am not a troll |
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| 00:42.08 | Uuni | i did apt-get remove tomboy |
| 00:42.15 | Uuni | thanks jhutchins_wk |
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| 01:03.11 | brandon_ | oops |
| 01:03.14 | brandon_ | sorry |
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| 01:38.13 | Tau | hi. is there some fancy way to cut off lines from a file that are repeating? |
| 01:38.28 | damacus | |uniq |
| 01:38.34 | Tau | sounds good. |
| 01:39.01 | damacus | if order doesnt matter, |sort|uniq |
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| 01:39.56 | Tau | nice. |
| 01:40.02 | Tau | thank you DammitJim . |
| 01:40.07 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:48.36 | qak | are questions about backports acceptable here? I'm getting kernel oops from xorg with the 3.2.0 pkg |
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| 01:51.21 | sney | qak: yes, you can ask here; depending on what you're doing, you may also want the xorg from backports |
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| 01:57.21 | qak | sney: ah, thanks. it's a new install with not much on it and just the kernel and deps from bpo; I installed that kernel to compile drivers for my wireless against ... still trying to figure out what exactly the issue is, but wondered if maybe it was a known problem. i've got a radeon gfx card fwiw |
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| 01:57.46 | abrotman | the kernel does an oops, or xorg? |
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| 01:59.40 | qak | abrotman: looks like the kernel to me... going to pastebin in a sec |
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| 02:01.24 | aguitel | i use iceweasel but i need to enter in some site that internet explorer is working , any tips ? |
| 02:01.40 | abrotman | aguitel: you can try to change your Agent String |
| 02:01.55 | wilee-nilee | aguitel, You could try user agent switcher a FF addon |
| 02:02.17 | aguitel | i never did that ,how do ? |
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| 02:06.10 | lisporu | where will be the driver for my ethernet card, directory location ? |
| 02:06.58 | qak | ok... http://pastebin.com/A06VJRdp |
| 02:07.41 | qak | abrotman: looks like the kernel to me, line 922: "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ..." |
| 02:08.37 | abrotman | it boots, crashes immediately? |
| 02:09.24 | qak | abrotman: yeah, it locks up on the login screen; keyboard doesn't work (numlock, ctrl-alt-fn, etc); i rebooted into 2.6.35 and got that from kern.log |
| 02:10.12 | abrotman | do you need the 3.x kernel for some reason ? |
| 02:10.17 | qak | i'm starting to wonder if it only does it from warm boot; going to test that theory |
| 02:10.56 | qak | abrotman: yeah, stupid rtl8723 wifi ... i thought this machine was going to be totally debian-friendly but i didn't research thoroughly enough :( |
| 02:11.10 | abrotman | qak: laptop ? |
| 02:11.13 | qak | yeah |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | be honest .. i'd just go to wheezy, see if it's better |
| 02:11.38 | abrotman | or maybe try the non-rt kernel, or even try i386 |
| 02:11.40 | qak | i was thinking of making kpkg with the latest stable from kernel.org |
| 02:12.00 | qak | (3.5.x) |
| 02:12.11 | qak | but your suggestions sound less painful |
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| 02:12.29 | abrotman | 6GB RAM ? |
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| 02:12.48 | qak | yeah, that's fine for me |
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| 02:42.34 | holycow | hi all. anyone familiar with creating certs for openvpn server? |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | the openvpn site doesn't cover this? seems like an important piece of the puzzle |
| 02:43.04 | holycow | i am getting a 'pkitool: 198: version: not found" error when i do ./build-key. google is not helping much, any thoughts? |
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| 02:43.34 | holycow | abrotman: not this specific error. i have found only one reference to this error with no solution. |
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| 02:43.54 | abrotman | holycow: use a patsebin please, give us some context |
| 02:44.21 | holycow | right. one sec. |
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| 02:47.52 | AndChat504 | Hi |
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| 02:50.48 | holycow | http://pastebin.ca/2238385 |
| 02:51.04 | holycow | that should describe my issue a little bit better. any help would be appreciated. |
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| 02:51.26 | hugorodrigues | hey |
| 02:51.26 | hugorodrigues | challenge: is possible to "apt-get install something" to a folder? i mean make a portable folder with all dependencies? and move to folder to other machine and have it working? |
| 02:51.34 | abrotman | apt-zip |
| 02:51.58 | hugorodrigues | abrotman: hum.. :) |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | what? |
| 02:52.03 | hugorodrigues | will check |
| 02:52.06 | peterrooney | hugorodrigues: dpkg has such abilities |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | i answered your question in a second! not good enough?! |
| 02:52.28 | abrotman | holycow: i'd check those scripts to see if that line number can give you some hlep |
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| 02:52.56 | hugorodrigues | abrotman: yes! hum.. = cool will check |
| 02:53.02 | hugorodrigues | :) |
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| 03:28.21 | alkisg | Hi, we're thinking of switching about 300 schools from ubuntu to debian wheezy, when it's released, but we'd like to be able to use live CDs for the installation, so we'd need something like ubiquity, which is able to install a system from a live cd that doesn't contain packages in .deb form, but preinstalled in the squashfs image. |
| 03:28.22 | alkisg | Are there any efforts to port ubiquity to debian? |
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| 04:20.47 | StuckMojo | hi. can you use more than one -t arg to apt-get? say i want to install multiple packages, but i only want one of them to come from backports...can i do that with one invocation of apt? |
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| 04:21.27 | StuckMojo | apt-get that is |
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| 04:23.29 | tidux | no |
| 04:23.31 | StuckMojo | nm, i see yes you can |
| 04:23.36 | StuckMojo | but not using -t |
| 04:23.45 | StuckMojo | Alternatively a specific distribution can be selected by following the package name with a slash and the version of the distribution or the Archive name (stable, testing, unstable). |
| 04:24.50 | StuckMojo | hmmm...that doesn't quite seem to work though |
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| 05:11.58 | minsa | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 amd64 1.8.1-2 |
| 05:12.00 | minsa | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.02 | minsa | what do I do ? |
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| 05:15.49 | LtL | minsa: try now |
| 05:16.31 | minsa | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main emacs23 amd64 23.4+1-3 |
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| 05:16.39 | minsa | different IP. |
| 05:16.47 | RaminNietzsche | minsa: use other repo |
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| 05:17.20 | LtL | minsa: its working for me |
| 05:17.25 | minsa | which one should I use ? |
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| 05:17.53 | RaminNietzsche | minsa: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/ |
| 05:17.57 | minsa | ok. |
| 05:18.05 | RaminNietzsche | minsa: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/ |
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| 05:22.23 | minsa | how about : W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 05:23.11 | LtL | minsa: wrong url |
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| 05:23.21 | boudiccas | minsa, its now deb-multimedia, and its not supported by debian |
| 05:23.41 | LtL | minsa: deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org squeeze main non-free |
| 05:24.07 | minsa | yes. thnx. just updated. |
| 05:24.17 | LtL | minsa: checkout the web page first |
| 05:24.38 | minsa | am there. |
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| 05:25.48 | blackshirt | how to add samba user ? I'm using debian wheezy (testing) |
| 05:25.57 | blackshirt | smbpasswd seems not available |
| 05:26.07 | minsa | let me speak some heresy. How about W: Failed to fetch http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/dists/testing/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 173.194.33.37 80] |
| 05:26.52 | dub | is there a way to make sid bring ethernet up when it boots |
| 05:27.30 | dub | I have it configured in the inetfaces file |
| 05:27.39 | boudiccas | deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ testing main |
| 05:27.52 | dub | interfaces* |
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| 05:28.56 | RaminNietzsche | minsa i u come from some country like iran, go0gle unavailable for you :( |
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| 05:29.03 | gnarface | dub: you forgot to put "auto eth0" (or whatever the name of your ethernet device) in there |
| 05:29.45 | gnarface | dub: "allow-hotplug eth0" also works but it behaves different - i don't particularly like it |
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| 05:30.35 | rohit__ | Hi guys |
| 05:30.37 | gnarface | dub: in some cases it may be preferable though |
| 05:30.46 | rohit__ | I need to download debian lxde 32 bit iso |
| 05:30.54 | dub | gnarface: http://pastebin.com/efQKbAz1 |
| 05:31.12 | rohit__ | could anyone help me get the link, since the one where I am trying got server issue |
| 05:31.34 | dub | gnarface: allow-hotplug was in there before, doesnt work either |
| 05:31.41 | blackshirt | how to add samba user ? I'm using debian wheezy (testing) |
| 05:31.44 | blackshirt | smbpasswd seems not available |
| 05:32.01 | gnarface | dub: hmm. well i also specify network and broadcast. have you tried? |
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| 05:32.20 | dub | gnarface: should need to but ok |
| 05:32.23 | gnarface | dub: i don't think they're all always necessary but maybe its driver-specific |
| 05:32.27 | dub | shouldn't* |
| 05:32.38 | gnarface | dub: or maybe your router is confusing it somehow |
| 05:32.42 | gnarface | dub: router/switch |
| 05:33.16 | gnarface | dub: does dmesg show the driver getting loaded? |
| 05:33.26 | rohit__ | Hi |
| 05:33.33 | rohit__ | could anyone help me on this |
| 05:33.34 | dub | it works if I login local and up it with iproute2 |
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| 05:33.44 | rohit__ | downloading debian lxde 32 bit |
| 05:33.47 | rohit__ | iso |
| 05:34.45 | boudiccas | robitwhere are you getting it from, whats its url? and what do you mean by 'issues'? |
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| 05:35.58 | rohit__ | My name is Rohit |
| 05:36.12 | rohit__ | I was trying to download Debian ISO CD |
| 05:36.15 | rohit__ | LXDE |
| 05:36.18 | rohit__ | 32 bit |
| 05:36.33 | rohit__ | But I couldn't download it |
| 05:37.07 | boudiccas | rohit__, okay, whats the url you're rtying to download it from? and what do you mean by 'issues' |
| 05:37.09 | allorder | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso |
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| 05:37.25 | boudiccas | trying |
| 05:37.46 | dub | gnarface: I added network, broadcast and fixed the silly whitespace, no joy |
| 05:37.57 | rohit__ | its says xfce + lxde |
| 05:38.03 | rohit__ | can I get only one if possible |
| 05:38.09 | rohit__ | I wanted lxde |
| 05:38.29 | boudiccas | rohit__, no, you can only get both |
| 05:38.48 | gnarface | dub: well has the boot order been messed with? is it possible network is starting too late? |
| 05:39.05 | rohit__ | oh. Ok Thanks |
| 05:39.05 | dub | gnarface: should be default |
| 05:39.10 | gnarface | dub: or ... too early, or something? i mean, does the thing have pcmcia? |
| 05:39.36 | gnarface | dub: is it a normal internal ethernet card or like a usb dongle? |
| 05:40.24 | allorder | rohit__: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/6.0.6/i386/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso and install the DE yourself |
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| 05:41.09 | rohit__ | I never trier netinstall |
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| 05:41.16 | rohit__ | so bit worried |
| 05:41.41 | allorder | its time :P |
| 05:41.45 | rohit__ | will the initial iso which says xfce and lxde give an option to fix my DE specifically to LXDE |
| 05:42.00 | dub | gnarface: dual onboard, its worked for years, I assume something has changed in debian that im unaware of (ie. using service blah instead of ./etc/init.d/blah is new to me) |
| 05:42.11 | minsa | RaminNietzsche, I will do more searching on my own in the future. It's better in the long run. |
| 05:42.13 | allorder | pretty sure, I always used netinstall |
| 05:42.21 | boudiccas | rohit__, you can choose which when you log in as user |
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| 05:42.34 | minsa | As my day job consumes more time, I maintained my machine less and less. |
| 05:42.38 | blackshirt | I'm using debian to share my files, but if I want to browse other windows shares through nautilus file manager, always request username and password... and always return that dialogue box.. anyone can help me ? |
| 05:42.38 | rohit__ | Oh than. Anyway I am downloading it |
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| 05:43.03 | allorder | rohit__: good |
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| 05:43.46 | rohit__ | allorder: Let me have one full iso of that as well. that will help me for future installing as well if any issue isn't :) |
| 05:44.03 | blackshirt | abrotman ? |
| 05:44.22 | allorder | rohit__: netinstall isnt that difficult.. |
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| 05:44.29 | rohit__ | ok |
| 05:44.36 | rohit__ | IT just updates online isn't? |
| 05:44.52 | rohit__ | picking up packages, I believe? |
| 05:44.55 | allorder | it download what you need |
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| 05:45.23 | rohit__ | meaning, during installation giving a gui or terminal option you mean to say |
| 05:45.39 | rohit__ | and packages which I need |
| 05:46.12 | rohit__ | Wish I had some forum wherein I could post my needed packages and debian gets me |
| 05:46.14 | rohit__ | :D |
| 05:46.19 | rohit__ | But its too much I believe |
| 05:46.40 | allorder | select no desktop, and type in console after reboot: apt-get install lxde-core or apt-get install lxde (full lxde) |
| 05:47.33 | rohit__ | ok |
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| 05:48.05 | rohit__ | so it give me lxde thats it, than packages I have to update using synaptic manager |
| 05:48.11 | rohit__ | is it or again console? |
| 05:48.38 | boudiccas | rohit__, you have to tell it you want synaptic, and then it will pull in some of gnome too |
| 05:48.53 | rohit__ | oh ok |
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| 05:49.18 | rohit__ | thats gnome right |
| 05:49.21 | rohit__ | hmm |
| 05:49.21 | Deesl | be back later |
| 05:50.39 | allorder | rohit__: just some dependency, not full gnome :P |
| 05:51.00 | boudiccas | allorder, i did say /some of gnome/ |
| 05:51.10 | allorder | oops. |
| 05:51.34 | rohit__ | yes |
| 05:52.23 | rohit__ | I wanted to ask you guys. Why did they got lxde and xfce both together in that iso |
| 05:52.36 | rohit__ | initially they had separate iso's isn't? |
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| 05:52.53 | boudiccas | rohit__, i'm not a guy, but they wanted to give a full CD and not half full |
| 05:53.09 | rohit__ | oops :) sorry |
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| 05:54.22 | rohit__ | ok, so it doesn't make difference when we select LXDE even having XFCE as an option right? |
| 05:54.33 | rohit__ | while choosing DE I mean |
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| 05:55.07 | rohit__ | since What I know is LXDE takes less memory |
| 05:55.12 | boudiccas | rohit__, i'm not sure but i think that it may install xfce AND lxde, and then you choose to login to lxde |
| 05:55.28 | allorder | boudiccas: I doubt it |
| 05:55.33 | rohit__ | hmm, I doubt it |
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| 05:55.50 | rohit__ | allorder: me too |
| 05:56.34 | boudiccas | i did say /i think/ i was not stating it as a fact! |
| 05:56.42 | rohit__ | boudiccas: allorderSince to initialize any boot process and giving a DE it doesn't interrelate right |
| 05:57.07 | rohit__ | Just guessing :) correct me if I am wrong |
| 05:57.58 | allorder | rohit__: I don't understand :P |
| 05:59.29 | rohit__ | allorder: when it installs both xfce and lxde and I choosing LXDE as my DE will it makes difference in performance as per individual lxde de or while choosing among two |
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| 06:00.58 | allorder | don't install both, it can't change performance if you have both |
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| 06:01.45 | allorder | but if you plan to use both, install them |
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| 06:02.10 | rohit__ | I would use only lxde |
| 06:03.00 | rohit__ | so is the thought, that since during booting after installing through that xfce+lxde iso which indeed would give me two options of DE, I Would choose one, so was thinking |
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| 06:03.43 | hellyeah | hey |
| 06:03.45 | hellyeah | whats up |
| 06:04.02 | hellyeah | i dunno it is spesific problem to debian |
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| 06:04.19 | hellyeah | i cannot execute "gedit" from shell in root environment |
| 06:04.28 | hellyeah | whereas i can run gedit with normal user |
| 06:04.38 | hellyeah | can it be reason |
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| 06:06.21 | allorder | gksu gedit |
| 06:07.12 | hellyeah | hmm |
| 06:07.13 | hellyeah | okey |
| 06:07.22 | hellyeah | years ago when i use debian |
| 06:07.29 | hellyeah | i can run gedit with su anyway |
| 06:07.43 | allorder | go back years ago then |
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| 06:09.37 | rohit__ | allorder: ehhehe |
| 06:10.17 | hellyeah | you can be more polite you fucking bastard |
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| 06:11.53 | hellyeah | http://dpaste.com/808858/ |
| 06:11.56 | hellyeah | what the hell |
| 06:12.37 | hellyeah | you have any response allorder |
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| 06:13.09 | Coweater | hellyeah: why are you trying to execute a config file? |
| 06:13.10 | ansgar | hellyeah: How about trying not to start insulting people? |
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| 06:13.48 | eataudio | Yeah, looks like what you're doing is not what you think you're doing. |
| 06:13.50 | ectospasm | woo! Got my XF86AudioMute to work when xscreensaver is locked! |
| 06:13.53 | hellyeah | <hellyeah> years ago when i use debian [19:07:21] <hellyeah> i can run gedit with su anyway |
| 06:13.55 | dub | gnarface: turns out ifupdown wasnt installed, gg sid |
| 06:14.03 | hellyeah | i just said this very sincerely |
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| 06:14.56 | hellyeah | i try to start because i have to run grub.cfg |
| 06:15.08 | hellyeah | when i execute the system with this kernel Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-3-rt-amd64 |
| 06:15.22 | Hatori | hellyeah, run grub.cfg?? |
| 06:15.41 | hellyeah | it ends up with message that is "something wrong system cannot recover contact the system administrator" |
| 06:15.52 | hellyeah | i mean open grub.cfg with root to change smt |
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| 06:17.03 | hellyeah | the last kernel of debian has problems with Xserver |
| 06:17.08 | hellyeah | i guess |
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| 06:17.40 | Hatori | hellyeah, i think grub.cfg was automatically generated by update-grub process |
| 06:17.55 | hellyeah | but i can change manually right |
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| 06:18.50 | Hatori | hellyeah,yes,exactly,until you not rerun update-grub |
| 06:19.09 | Coweater | hellyeah: it says at the beginning of the file not to edit it, any changes you make will get overwritten if packages are upgraded |
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| 06:19.52 | hellyeah | yeah i know this |
| 06:19.59 | Hatori | coweater, likes i was said before |
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| 06:20.08 | hellyeah | btw |
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| 06:20.18 | hellyeah | the last kernel version has some problem |
| 06:20.24 | hellyeah | i am not sure what it is |
| 06:20.30 | Hatori | hellyeah, if you want edit them, look at files in /etc/grub.d/ dir |
| 06:20.35 | wilee-nilee | hellyeah, you edit grub with /etc/default/grub then run update-grub2 |
| 06:20.42 | hellyeah | when i open the system with last kernel i pasted above |
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| 06:21.07 | hellyeah | i saw the message something wrong system cannot recover |
| 06:21.25 | hellyeah | i open with one old kernel everything is fine |
| 06:21.30 | wilee-nilee | http://wiki.debian.org/Grub#Configuring_grub_v2 |
| 06:21.30 | Hatori | i think thats errors was very general.. |
| 06:21.50 | Hatori | hellyeah,maybe you could more specific |
| 06:22.49 | hellyeah | Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-3-rt-amd64 |
| 06:22.57 | hellyeah | this is the last kernel right |
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| 06:23.22 | hellyeah | when i open the system with this kernel |
| 06:23.39 | boudiccas | hellyeah, i boot with that kernel into wheezy with no problems |
| 06:23.44 | hellyeah | everything just well until Xserver screen showed up |
| 06:23.50 | Hatori | yes,rt was refers to real time kernel |
| 06:23.56 | hellyeah | and sometimes late i tool the message |
| 06:24.15 | hellyeah | oh no something got wrong system cannot recover contact with system adm |
| 06:24.36 | hellyeah | i would make "dmesg" but in that time i couldnt use pure shell |
| 06:25.13 | hellyeah | this is the problem i dont know what spesifically |
| 06:25.13 | Hatori | you brought to initramfs shell ? |
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| 06:25.24 | julius_ | hi |
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| 06:25.44 | hellyeah | Hatori: |
| 06:25.46 | boudiccas | hellyeah, what does .. " and sometimes late i tool the message" mean? |
| 06:25.55 | ectospasm | sounds dirty |
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| 06:26.05 | hellyeah | when i am in system i do ctrl + alt + f1 this is terminal |
| 06:26.15 | hellyeah | boudiccas: |
| 06:26.22 | hellyeah | i took the message from system |
| 06:26.25 | ectospasm | hellyeah: that's known as virtual terminal 1, probably on tty1 |
| 06:26.29 | ectospasm | or tty01 |
| 06:26.35 | hellyeah | system cannot recover contact with system adm |
| 06:26.41 | mikunos | hi guys what thise rows mean? http://pastie.org/4895069 |
| 06:26.45 | mikunos | these |
| 06:26.52 | Hatori | hellyeah, how your system was configured ? Lvm? relies on raid setup ? Spesific hardware ? Vga ? ... |
| 06:27.29 | ectospasm | mikunos: it means the pcspkr driver is already registered or loaded, it should be safe to ignore it. |
| 06:28.00 | allorder | or install alsa-base :P |
| 06:28.05 | hellyeah | if you ask graphic card it is nvidia |
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| 06:28.41 | mikunos | ectospasm and the EXT3 messages |
| 06:28.45 | hellyeah | my system is not raid |
| 06:28.52 | hellyeah | or not LVM |
| 06:29.25 | Hatori | hellyeah, i think you need reinstall your graphic card driver ... Your system was desktop, was that right? |
| 06:29.33 | ectospasm | mikunos: that's just a normal message, not a warning or error. It found an EXT3 filesystem on sda5, with an internal journal. Nothing to see here, move along. |
| 06:29.42 | hellyeah | yeap it is desktop |
| 06:29.49 | ectospasm | splitty! |
| 06:29.55 | hellyeah | Hatori: but it works now |
| 06:30.00 | hellyeah | with other kernel |
| 06:30.06 | hellyeah | new kernel has an issue |
| 06:30.14 | Hatori | hellyeah, sound greats |
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| 06:30.34 | mikunos | ectospasm but It tooks more time |
| 06:30.38 | mikunos | to reboot |
| 06:30.42 | boudiccas | hellyeah, no it doesn't. as i told you before it works perfectly well on this box and i'm using it now |
| 06:30.46 | Hatori | hellyeah, are you using nvidia propietary driver? |
| 06:30.57 | hellyeah | 'Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 06:31.01 | ectospasm | mikunos: I don't understand what you mean. Takes more time compared to what? |
| 06:31.03 | hellyeah | this kernel has not problem |
| 06:31.15 | Hatori | hellyeah, can you work on cli mode ? I mean not on desktop? |
| 06:31.30 | hellyeah | Hatori: actually i am not so sure about using nvidia property driver |
| 06:31.31 | mikunos | ectospasm I don't understand what these rows mean |
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| 06:31.41 | mikunos | what the WXT3 does? |
| 06:31.46 | mikunos | EXT3 |
| 06:31.55 | hellyeah | extended 3 |
| 06:31.56 | ectospasm | mikunos: do you know what a filesystem is? |
| 06:32.05 | mikunos | yes I know |
| 06:32.09 | Hatori | hellyeah, why not sure ? |
| 06:32.12 | hellyeah | Hatori: i am not in cli mode |
| 06:32.13 | mikunos | but in this specific moment |
| 06:32.23 | ectospasm | mikunos: ext3 is the third generation of the Linux EXTended filesystem |
| 06:32.33 | mikunos | ok |
| 06:32.36 | ectospasm | mikunos: it is the first one to have native journaling support. |
| 06:32.45 | mikunos | ectospasm ok |
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| 06:33.11 | julius_ | if debian 6 is configure with a static ip address, can i disable the network manager? |
| 06:33.25 | mikunos | ectospasm but why it tooks 773.61s |
| 06:33.27 | mikunos | ? |
| 06:33.38 | hellyeah | i am using vesa |
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| 06:33.47 | Hatori | hellyeah, if you can work in single user mode, or without your xserver started, with the newest kernel, so the problems was not in kernel itself |
| 06:34.18 | ectospasm | mikunos: it didn't... adding 6GB swap apparently did. |
| 06:34.18 | hellyeah | http://dpaste.com/808862/ |
| 06:34.22 | hellyeah | this is my xorg |
| 06:34.27 | Hatori | hellyeah, vesa was greats |
| 06:34.34 | hellyeah | vesa or nv |
| 06:34.55 | mikunos | thanks |
| 06:34.55 | Hatori | hellyeah, you said vesa |
| 06:34.59 | ectospasm | mikunos: and that took 753sec |
| 06:35.12 | ectospasm | mikunos: those are timestamps, not durations |
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| 06:35.22 | hellyeah | i mean |
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| 06:35.30 | hellyeah | vesa is better or nv is better |
| 06:35.59 | Hatori | relative thing :d ... |
| 06:36.10 | Hatori | Vesa was good for generic driver |
| 06:36.20 | ectospasm | vesa shouldn't be better than nv, nouveau, or nvidia, because it's generic |
| 06:36.44 | hellyeah | okey |
| 06:36.57 | hellyeah | actually i want to use compiz cairo and such |
| 06:37.10 | ectospasm | hellyeah: nvidia then |
| 06:37.17 | hellyeah | you mean nv |
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| 06:37.43 | ectospasm | hellyeah: did you follow this? http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 06:37.47 | boudiccas | hellyeah, concentrate first on getting into your box and it working properly, then you can install all the gizmos and graphic fliff |
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| 06:37.59 | ectospasm | fluffnfliff |
| 06:38.07 | ectospasm | or is that fliffnfluff? |
| 06:38.21 | boudiccas | ectospasm, nah, just plain /fluff/ |
| 06:39.16 | hellyeah | what the hell is that |
| 06:39.16 | hellyeah | :D |
| 06:39.32 | julius_ | need to test a new network config on a remote host, if i put this; sleep 10m; if ! ping -c 1 192.168.11.1; then ifconfig eth0 192.168.11.85 in rc.local that should make the machine lan reachable in case the network config got a syntax error right? |
| 06:39.38 | hellyeah | okey i should go now |
| 06:39.40 | hellyeah | thanks |
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| 07:08.45 | matt868686 | How can one check if interface entered to promiscuous mode? /var/log/messages and dmesg are one way, but are there others? |
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| 07:14.29 | sajjadg | hi. after I finished installing wheezy on my laptop I rebooted and waited for grub to go to debian...but after some line of log...suddenly screen blinks and cannot see anything...i tried recovery mode but that's the same... I checked the log and VESA same to be loading ok... |
| 07:14.31 | sajjadg | sony vaio vgn-fw390 ati radeon ... I thing it has a problem with X but without any interface I don't know how to check and make changes to it.any idea? |
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| 07:16.52 | ectospasm | sajjadg: what version of Debian? |
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| 07:23.52 | dokma|2 | how do I forward /dev into a chroot |
| 07:24.13 | sajjadg | ectospasm:wheezy |
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| 07:24.42 | sajjadg | kernel 3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 07:24.50 | ectospasm | sajjadg: http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting#Disabling_KMS |
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| 07:31.10 | sajjadg | I am trying to edit the grub but still no nothing... |
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| 07:36.28 | sajjadg | yes...that's it. we booted the kernel with "radeon.modeset=0" option. someone should change that wiki and adds how that option to kernel |
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| 07:36.38 | boudiccas | why is it that i can delete some directorys in konqueror, open up nautilus and they're still there please? |
| 07:36.39 | sajjadg | thanks ectospasm |
| 07:37.23 | Blue1 | boudiccas: well -- kde and gnome fight each other - and over write settings. |
| 07:37.53 | boudiccas | Blue1, well i delete in nautilus too, close iot, and then open it and they're back again! |
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| 07:38.11 | Blue1 | boudiccas: what file(s) are you trying to delete? |
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| 07:38.33 | boudiccas | Blue1, some directories in my /Download directory |
| 07:39.15 | Blue1 | boudiccas: weird -- |
| 07:39.30 | ChrisH | boudiccas: what does ls in a terminal show? Are zou allowed to delete them? |
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| 07:40.02 | Blue1 | boudiccas: what @chrish said |
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| 07:40.10 | boudiccas | Blue1, you're telling me! I've tried deleting them in xfm, nautilus and kinqueror, and each time i've emptied the wastebin, but they still appear again |
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| 07:40.29 | boudiccas | konqueror |
| 07:40.36 | Blue1 | boudiccas: I would try rm ing at the command prompt |
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| 07:41.32 | Blue1 | boudiccas: but I do know that kde and gnome fight each other. so I have sep accounts for kde and gnome - well actually I took kde off of here but when I had it, I had seperate accounts because of this. |
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| 07:50.48 | carrera | Greetings! :) |
| 07:51.54 | carrera | Which packages do I need for VPN connections on Wheezy? |
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| 07:52.12 | Blue1 | carrera: I have a partial |
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| 07:52.50 | carrera | Blue1, partial? |
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| 07:52.53 | Blue1 | carrera: http://pkill-9.com/install-configure-openvpn-virtual-private-network-linux/ directions NOT complete but enough to get you started |
| 07:53.10 | carrera | Blue1, thanks! :) |
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| 07:53.48 | Blue1 | carrera: leave me some feedback please and let me know what is good/bad? thanks |
| 07:54.07 | carrera | Blue1, for sure sir! |
| 07:54.38 | carrera | Blue1, couldn't load your page |
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| 07:56.50 | Blue1 | carrera: what does it say? let me try |
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| 07:58.25 | Blue1 | carrera: it works for me -- :-( |
| 07:58.58 | EmleyMoor | And me... |
| 07:59.01 | Blue1 | isup.me says it can access it. |
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| 07:59.44 | carrera | Blue1, I'm sure it does. I'm in the ME and Internet connection is not the best |
| 07:59.44 | nunnsby | hey all, anyone here know much about using TC for traffic shaping? |
| 07:59.46 | SiDz | it work here too |
| 07:59.46 | SiDz | not the first time but the second;p |
| 07:59.53 | ChrisH | carrera: why not simply run aptitude search openvpn |
| 08:00.13 | nunnsby | I'm trying to create a virtual wan circuit, with delay of 400ms AND shaping it to 256k |
| 08:00.29 | nunnsby | I have tried tbf, but it appears tbf will only set the latency once the max has hit |
| 08:00.37 | nunnsby | netem delay will only add the latency |
| 08:00.46 | nunnsby | I need a rule set that will do both |
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| 08:00.58 | nunnsby | add latency by default AND rate limit too |
| 08:01.06 | Blue1 | ChrisH: my article annotates some of the vpn conf options |
| 08:01.11 | carrera | ChrisH, thanks. I searched for VPN on Synaptic but a lot of packages showed up and I didn't know exactly which one I needed to configure a VPN client |
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| 08:01.45 | Blue1 | carrera: it is unfortunate you can't access the article it has allyou need -- maybe I could email it to you? |
| 08:02.08 | carrera | BTW, which of apt-get, aptitude or Synaptic is better? |
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| 08:02.36 | SiDz | synaptic use aptitude |
| 08:02.45 | Blue1 | carrera: the one your prefer - I use apt-get |
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| 08:03.14 | carrera | SiDz, Blue1, thanks! :0 |
| 08:03.14 | SiDz | its almost the same |
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| 08:03.25 | SiDz | my bad, synaptic use apt-get;p |
| 08:03.36 | carrera | are both apt-get and aptitude front ends to the APT? |
| 08:04.13 | ChrisH | carrera: I iuse aptitude for search, as it shows the status of the shown packages directly. For allmost all other actions I use the apt-get, apt-cache, .. commands |
| 08:04.21 | Blue1 | carrera: I seem to recall aptitude is a line/gui interface |
| 08:04.45 | Blue1 | you can do an apt-cache search <pkgname> |
| 08:06.31 | carrera | Blue1, ChrisH, SiDz, Thanks for all the help. You guys are great! :) |
| 08:06.46 | Blue1 | carrera: you are most welcome - |
| 08:06.48 | bullgard | Why is this werver down? ~$ ping http://ftp2.de.debian.org/; ping: unknown host http://ftp2.de.debian.org/' |
| 08:07.01 | bullgard | s/werver/server/ |
| 08:07.26 | Blue1 | bullgard try it w/o the http |
| 08:07.37 | SiDz | ping ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 08:07.42 | carrera | Blue1, I just tried loading your page to no avail. Please send it to corvette422esc@gmail.com |
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| 08:08.32 | Blue1 | carrera: done |
| 08:08.49 | ChrisH | Blue1: why do you suggest to modify sshd_config? |
| 08:09.14 | Blue1 | ChrisH: i found that was not necessary -- I shoud remove it. |
| 08:09.45 | bullgard | Blue1: '~$ ping ftp2.de.debian.org/; ping: unknown host ftp2.de.debian.org/' |
| 08:09.54 | Blue1 | ChrisH: I will be the first one to tell you it is incomplte |
| 08:10.16 | SiDz | / isn't a host character. |
| 08:10.36 | Blue1 | bullgard try ping ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 08:10.36 | Blue1 | PING ftp2.de.debian.org (137.226.34.42) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 08:10.36 | Blue1 | 64 bytes from ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.34.42): icmp_req=1 ttl=42 time=179 ms |
| 08:10.37 | ChrisH | Blue1: I did never fiddled with sshd_config for OpenVPN. Second question "Sun Aug 26 17:25:14 2012 ******* WARNING *******: all encryption and authentication features disabled ? all data will be tunnelled as cleartext" You do not mention why you ignore this line. |
| 08:11.04 | ChrisH | bullgard: "unknown host" points to not working nameresolution on your side |
| 08:11.09 | Blue1 | ChrisH: let me double check the conf file |
| 08:11.59 | bullgard | ChrisH: Your analysis is wrong. I can ping for example www.belug.de |
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| 08:12.47 | ChrisH | bullgard: you are right.. its a typo. the host is named ping ftp2.de.debian.org not ping ftp2.de.debian.org/ |
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| 08:12.56 | Blue1 | !paste |
| 08:12.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:13.28 | ChrisH | . o (Cool. halifax does still exists after all these years) |
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| 08:14.02 | boudiccas | bullgard ping ftp2.de.debian.org works okay from here |
| 08:14.03 | Blue1 | ChrisH: this is the conf file I am using and that does not plain text -- I will have to anaylyze later what the diff is -- http://paste.debian.net/195204/ |
| 08:15.09 | bullgard | boudiccas: Here too. Thank you very much for your help. (I need debugging at other places apparently) |
| 08:15.27 | MestreLion | When creating a debian package, what if upstream "tarball" is a zipfile instead? Should I convert it to tar.gz and rename it to <package>-<version>.orig.tar.gz ? |
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| 08:16.14 | Blue1 | 1:30 am - time for bedtime.... |
| 08:16.18 | MestreLion | I wonder if there is a problem calling my converted file ".orig", since files won't have the same size/checksum/etc |
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| 08:17.13 | MestreLion | the extracted content will, but not the archive itself. Should I worry about this? |
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| 08:28.20 | simonlnu | MestreLion: yes, a tarball is supported, the zip not. hashsums don't include the file name |
| 08:29.08 | simonlnu | MestreLion: where the name does matter is in the .dsc |
| 08:29.15 | simonlnu | and .changes |
| 08:29.22 | MestreLion | thank you simonlnu |
| 08:29.29 | simonlnu | np |
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| 08:48.48 | smv | I'm trying to use kvm in some servers, whitout a gui, and if possible with as less X11 related packages as possible. is there a good/working documentation about this? |
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| 09:00.34 | babilen | !tell smv -about kvm |
| 09:00.44 | babilen | smv: You don't really need X at all |
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| 09:01.37 | smv | babilen, every single time I tried to use kvm I ended in some kind of mixed system, lots of X stuff and such |
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| 09:10.31 | bullgard | [wheezy] Does my file /etc/apt/sources.list miss an entry line? I am using Synaptic and trying to install Icedove obtaining: "An error has occurred. The file »http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/icedove/icedove_10.0.6-2_amd64« could not be downloaded. 404 Not Found." |
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| 09:12.00 | boudiccas | bullgard, can you paste your sources.list into a paste site for us please? |
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| 09:13.20 | boudiccas | ,v icedove |
| 09:13.21 | judd | Package: icedove on i386 -- lenny: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze-proposed-updates: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze11; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze12; squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze12; squeeze-backports: 3.1.16-1~bpo60+1; sid: 10.0.7-1; wheezy: 10.0.7-1; experimental: 11.0-1 |
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| 09:14.02 | boudiccas | bullgard, see what judd has just said about the version for wheezy, it differs from your posted putput |
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| 09:14.15 | boudiccas | output |
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| 09:17.57 | jelly | bullgard: SOP is to do an update and retry |
| 09:18.16 | bullgard | boudiccas: paste.debian.net/195216 |
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| 09:18.49 | bullgard | jelly: What does "SOP" stand for? "Sea of Peace"? |
| 09:19.08 | jelly | !sop |
| 09:19.09 | dpkg | methinks sop is Standard Operating Procedure |
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| 09:19.42 | bullgard | jelly: Thank you for explaining. |
| 09:20.02 | jelly | bullgard: you're welcome |
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| 09:20.07 | boudiccas | bullgard, thanks, that looks okay. try updating and downloading with apt-get again |
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| 09:21.53 | boudiccas | bullgard, if it still doesnt work, put this in your sources.list deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main and then update and try witht htat |
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| 09:28.01 | bullgard | boudiccas: This has worked all right. Icedove is now installed. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 09:28.28 | boudiccas | bugard, you're welcome |
| 09:28.36 | boudiccas | bullgard even |
| 09:29.38 | ectospasm | heh, you said "buggered" |
| 09:30.58 | boudiccas | ectospasm, oh no i didn't! |
| 09:32.01 | ectospasm | :D |
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| 09:32.07 | carandraug | I think I may have found a bug in Debian testing but not sure in what application (somewhere in the dhcp client). The problem is that when I connect to a network I never have internet. I must ping the router first... how can I be more helpful when submiting this? |
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| 09:32.11 | boudiccas | :) |
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| 09:32.49 | bullgard | I am installing Icedove. A dialog window »System Integration« appears asking if I would like Icedove as the default client for »Feeds«. What feeds are meant here? |
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| 09:33.15 | themill | RSS feeds |
| 09:34.02 | bullgard | themill: Thank you. |
| 09:34.27 | boudiccas | bullgard, use 'claw mail' for your email and rss feeds, it works extremely well with no problems after you've set it up |
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| 09:37.12 | bullgard | boudiccas: I will enquire about Claws mail. Thank you very much for advising me. |
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| 09:56.45 | Sheen | Hi there, I'm using parted via gParted into Parted Magic x64 distro. I have a 3TB hard disk USB3, and I can't format it to a single 3TB drive, I'm seeing two drives instead of a single one. I guess it's the MBR limitation, so I've changed partition table to GPT but I can't see any difference, I'm seeing two drive yet, can you help me please ? |
| 09:57.07 | Iridos | is there something in debian to quickly convert text (email address) to a png image? |
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| 09:59.37 | boudiccas | Sheen, have you tried 'fparted', i think its called. from what i hear that gets over teh 2tb limit |
| 09:59.47 | Iridos | oh, ok, imagemagick can do it |
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| 09:59.58 | Iridos | albeit with lenghtly syntax |
| 10:00.19 | Sheen | boudiccas, never heard of it, I'll look for it |
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| 10:02.06 | boudiccas | Sheen, sorry, its gparted and partitionmanager too should do it |
| 10:02.35 | mastro | I'd like to create an ssl certificate (for testing purposes) and want to follow this guide: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 but there's no command "apache2-ssl-certificate" in the system |
| 10:02.42 | mastro | is that guide outdated? |
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| 10:02.55 | mastro | and if it is and the command is gone, how do I create a new certificate? |
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| 10:08.34 | blubberdiblub | mastro, https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ssl_faq.html#aboutcerts |
| 10:13.02 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 10:13.02 | dpkg | somebody said apache2-ssl-certificate was no longer present: ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use make-ssl-cert from the ssl-cert package instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/398520, or make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
| 10:13.12 | themill | mastro: ^^ and do read through the comments on that article |
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| 10:14.09 | hunt3r | hi guys, i've installed debian 6 on a toshiba netbook. the ethernet driver is not in the cd, how can i install it? |
| 10:15.34 | boudiccas | hunt3r, /what/ ethernet driver? |
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| 10:18.43 | Kakadu | hey! My debuild generates many .deb files . Is there general way to say debuild to build only 1 package? |
| 10:20.09 | babilen | hunt3r: Could you show us the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i ethernet" please? |
| 10:20.15 | Iridos | hunt3r, there's a couple of facotids from our bot dpkg that might be helpful... /msg dpkg what's my hardware - also, firmware is not included in default debian anymore /msg dpkg firmware |
| 10:20.23 | Iridos | boo |
| 10:21.29 | babilen | Kakadu: Adapt debian/control and debian/rules to your liking -- What are you *really* trying to do and why is it problematic that multiple packages are generated? |
| 10:21.49 | Kakadu | babilen: I |
| 10:22.01 | babilen | Kakadu: You might also want to ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net for packaging related questions. (assuming you are actually packaging something) |
| 10:22.22 | Kakadu | babilen: I'm playing with xcp-xapi and I wnat to fix only one daemon |
| 10:22.40 | Kakadu | babilen: And I want to speedup compilation/building debs someway |
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| 10:23.19 | babilen | Kakadu: Adjust debian/control to your liking then |
| 10:23.36 | Kakadu | babilen: thanks, I'll try it |
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| 10:26.37 | bullgard | Icedove 10.0.7 > View > Threads shows the menu items "Expand All Threads" and "Collapse all Threads" grayed out. How can I change that? |
| 10:27.08 | themill | are you using a threaded view? |
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| 10:28.15 | bullgard | themill: I do not know that you mean by »a threaded view«. Can you tell me please. |
| 10:28.30 | themill | a view where the messages are shown in threads |
| 10:29.22 | bullgard | themill: No, I do not see any message in a thread. |
| 10:29.54 | bullgard | themill: All are arranged not in threads but singly. |
| 10:30.10 | mastro | blubberdiblub, themill thanks, reading |
| 10:30.55 | themill | bullgard: so how do you expect to expand or collapse threads when you're not looking at threads? |
| 10:31.04 | babilen | bullgard: Can you see threads if you switch to a threaded view? |
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| 10:42.00 | bullgard | themill: Let me take an example to make my situation clear: On 2012-10-02 09:18 Jost Lange wrote an e-mail which is shown in my Icedove Inbox. On 2012-10-02 09:36 klaus-juergen weghorn answered to Jost Lange an e-mail which is shown in my Icedove Inbox too. Both emails are not show grouped together as a "thread" but my Thunderbird shows them separately. How can I change that? |
| 10:43.48 | themill | bullgard: have you tried changing the sorting setting at all? |
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| 10:46.54 | bullgard | themill: No I had not. Now I changed the radio button View > 'Sort by' to »Threaded«. Now my Thunderbird shows all e-mails in threads. -- Thank you very much for your help. |
| 10:47.11 | themill | all I did was ask you if you had tried... |
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| 10:48.07 | bullgard | Yes. It helped. Even if indirectly. |
| 10:48.13 | boudiccas | i use calws-mail for my mail reader and it stores it on /home/user/Mail , but i foolishly created a link to it in nautilus so its now has two directories. Can I just delete the link one, or if not, how do i unlink it please? |
| 10:48.23 | boudiccas | claws-mail |
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| 10:53.10 | blubberdiblub | boudiccas, i don't know about nautilus, but it's safe to use "rm" to remove symlinks to directories |
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| 11:02.05 | boudiccas | blubberdiblub, thanks |
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| 11:18.31 | bluesm | Hi. |
| 11:18.39 | bluesm | What Can I do if I have not wise teacher ? |
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| 11:20.50 | gits1225 | Be wise and don't tell the teacher. |
| 11:21.33 | boudiccas | gits1225, please dont reply to him, otherwise known as not feeding the troll |
| 11:22.10 | gits1225 | Couldn't resist :P Sorry. |
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| 11:30.58 | bluesm | gits1225: Don't tell that he is not wise ? |
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| 11:32.04 | bluesm | boudiccas: I just share my flustration. 3 hours a week. |
| 11:33.05 | babilen | Can we just move on please? |
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| 11:38.51 | mastro | blubberdiblub, themill shouldn't the debian admin page I linked before be updated with this informations? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 |
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| 11:41.36 | bvs | mastro, it's a six year old guide |
| 11:42.10 | break19 | so it's in line with the stable release then? *rimshot8 |
| 11:42.15 | bvs | :) |
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| 11:47.20 | mastro | bvs, does that make it unmodifiable? :) |
| 11:47.24 | thewanderer1 | mastro, debian-administation.org has nothing to do with Debian, it's not an official sub-project... so they're free to do whatever they want :P |
| 11:47.38 | mastro | thewanderer1, oh I see.. I always tough they were related |
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| 11:47.56 | thewanderer1 | mastro, if it's on debian.org or a subdomain thereof, it's official. otherwise, third-party. |
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| 12:04.10 | bluesm | How can I add root permision for not root user ? |
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| 12:05.04 | ChrisH | bluesm: man sudo |
| 12:07.16 | bluesm | Thanks :) |
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| 12:16.36 | fprophet | I can't seem to get netinstall to detect an internet connection. If I try over wifi it gives me a DHCP error, ethernet doesnt seem to provide any error but still doesnt download anything. and when I get to cli ping www.google.com cant resolve |
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| 12:19.53 | ChrisH | fprophet: netinstall does not support wifi with anything other then unencrypted or WEP |
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| 12:22.14 | fprophet | ChrisH: It cant resolve with an ethernet connection either |
| 12:22.27 | Lisporu | I wanted to stop certain services. I have changed the names e.g S20gdm3 to K20gdm3 as mentioned in README of rc2.d but when I do "update-rc.d script defaults" I get this: |
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| 12:22.37 | Lisporu | update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/script |
| 12:23.06 | boudiccas | Lisporu, sudo service foo stop |
| 12:23.56 | Lisporu | that is temporary |
| 12:24.04 | ChrisH | fprophet: does ifconfig -a show an IP assigend? Check ALT-F4 for error messages |
| 12:24.09 | Lisporu | how to do it permanently |
| 12:24.27 | _strog | hi people, i have a plain debian installed (console only) and I wanted to know if there is any way how to change the language of it? currently i have german but i would like it to be in english. |
| 12:24.38 | boudiccas | Lisporu, i do it in the service gui, and just uncomment the ones that i dont want to start |
| 12:26.21 | ChrisH | _strog: changing /etc/default/locale could work. dpkg-reconfigure locales another option |
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| 12:38.18 | Lisporu | boudiccas: where is that service-gui ? |
| 12:39.05 | boudiccas | Lisporu, in xfce applications menu > settings > services |
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| 12:39.39 | Lisporu | boudiccas: I have GNOME |
| 12:40.00 | boudiccas | Lisporu, so look in teh systems menu |
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| 12:40.10 | Lisporu | boudiccas: I got it |
| 12:40.29 | boudiccas | Lisporu, good :) |
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| 12:46.33 | lxsameer | dpkg: pgdump |
| 12:46.33 | dpkg | lxsameer: I give up, what is it? |
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| 12:46.52 | abrotman | lxsameer: man pgdump ? |
| 12:47.17 | lxsameer | abrotman: does dpkg bot work like apt-file ? |
| 12:47.50 | abrotman | lxsameer: why can't you use apt-file yourself? |
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| 12:47.59 | abrotman | or packages.debian.org? |
| 12:48.18 | lxsameer | abrotman: i have some problem with my network:D |
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| 12:48.38 | abrotman | lxsameer: what problem are you actually trying to solve? |
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| 12:49.04 | lxsameer | abrotman: i want to know what package provides pgdump |
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| 12:49.38 | boudiccas | apt-cache search pgdump |
| 12:49.45 | abrotman | lxsameer: so your internet is broken, but you can get here? try again |
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| 12:50.12 | jelly | it's _very_ broken |
| 12:50.29 | lxsameer | abrotman: no, i can't update my apt-file, because of a very slow connection |
| 12:51.22 | abrotman | but you can IRC here, which means you can use packages.debian.org to search |
| 12:51.41 | lxsameer | abrotman: yeah , currently i'm doing it |
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| 12:52.18 | jelly | lxsameer: /msg judd file bin/pg_dump |
| 12:52.49 | lxsameer | jelly: thanks man |
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| 13:12.45 | joya | is there any replacement for xseticon? |
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| 13:25.23 | nkuttler | what in gnome or kde would mute my soundcard when i turn the volume to 0? i have to manually unmute, just raising the volume doesn't do anything. started after installing gnome + kde |
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| 13:26.18 | nkuttler | unmute with alsamixer that is |
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| 13:26.34 | nkuttler | and i don't even use gnome or kde .. |
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| 13:26.49 | jch2os | what is everyone using for iscsi target? I've been using iet and I feel like under high load it just falls off |
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| 13:31.09 | _tremo | nick _tremo |
| 13:31.20 | _tremo | darn |
| 13:31.37 | _tremo | hides under his stone again. |
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| 13:36.40 | ChrisH | jch2os: The only iSCSI Tests I did was using Solaris on both sides. |
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| 13:38.55 | jch2os | chrish - thanks but would like to stay linux if I can |
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| 13:44.30 | pablo | hello, which is the default runlevel in debian? |
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| 13:56.28 | varrg | Hi, I'm trying to install a Debian Squeeze (latest) VM with virtualbox. This is the first time touching linux for me and I've run into a problem. |
| 13:56.57 | damacus | varrg: welcome! what's the problem? |
| 13:56.58 | varrg | I've set up the VM to be dynamic allocated of max 20gb size, with 384mb RAM. I launch the empty VM through the ~4gb .iso |
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| 13:57.15 | varrg | and I get the debian menu, when I press "Install" or "Graphical Install" |
| 13:57.32 | varrg | it all hangs, and nothing happens. I need to force ctrl+alt+del through the virtualbox menu to restart it |
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| 13:58.03 | damacus | few questions: what host are you running vbox on -- os and 32b or 64bit? |
| 13:58.11 | varrg | windows 7 64bit |
| 13:58.12 | damacus | what version vbox? which iso? |
| 13:58.20 | varrg | and it's 64bit debian |
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| 13:58.43 | varrg | virtualbox 4.1.22 |
| 13:58.56 | varrg | the iso is: debian-6.0.6-amd64-DVD-1.iso |
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| 13:59.20 | varrg | on intel processor, but I read amd64 is for both amd and intel |
| 13:59.32 | damacus | indeed it is |
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| 13:59.50 | damacus | i'd actually like you to try downloading the amd64 netinstall ISO and trying it |
| 13:59.59 | damacus | and / or checksumming your already-downloaded DVD |
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| 14:00.35 | damacus | downloading and trying the netinstall would probably be less tedious under windows though |
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| 14:00.53 | varrg | Alright, I'll try that then |
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| 14:03.42 | varrg | ah, wait a second. There's a bunch of virtualbox settings I might need to change. Let me get back to you after reading some more on the virtualbox manual |
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| 14:06.28 | damacus | i th9ink when you set it up and choose linux and debian squeeze it should choose sensible defaults |
| 14:06.42 | damacus | assuming all you change from there is stuff like ram / cpu / disk |
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| 14:08.02 | varrg | "On any host, you should enable the I/O APIC for virtual machines that |
| 14:08.03 | varrg | you intend to use in 64-bit mode." |
| 14:08.18 | varrg | which currently is not enabled |
| 14:09.44 | varrg | although, as you stated, it does say that it should set the correct settings automatically. Hm |
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| 14:10.40 | varrg | alright, no luck. Going with the netinst now |
| 14:10.41 | damacus | interesting. perhaps you misclicked? either way - try setting it and booting if you havent already |
| 14:10.48 | damacus | ah, k |
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| 14:12.42 | varrg | "However, software support for I/O APICs has been unreliable with some operating systems other than Windows." |
| 14:12.50 | varrg | I think I'll leave it disabled, as it was default then |
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| 14:13.50 | GabrieleV | Hello, someone coul help me in building a package from a tarball ? I need to patch Makefile to use correct pathnames, but I have only Makefile.in because package uses configure. How do I tell it to use "debianized" paths ? Thnak you ! |
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| 14:14.28 | blazemore | Hi all, I don't know if this is a problem, but apt is suggesting all kinds of vital-looking packages for autoremoval (apt-get autoremove). I'm running Debian Squeeze with backported kernel and iceweasel from squeeze-backports. The list of packages it wants to remove is here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KLSe3rsF |
| 14:15.00 | varrg | damacus, the netinst hangs just the same. Is there a way to show the command line to perhaps spot an error message? |
| 14:15.46 | themill | dpkg: tell blazemore about install gnome |
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| 14:16.03 | varrg | damacus, it boots with --quiet flag, I'll try removing it |
| 14:16.07 | themill | blazemore: installing one of those gnome meta packages (or marking it as manually installed if it's already there) should be enough |
| 14:16.22 | damacus | varrg: sounds good. also, Logs\ inside of the vm folder might be useful |
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| 14:16.39 | damacus | might be useful to pastebin the conents of the latest log file |
| 14:16.46 | blazemore | OK thanks themill |
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| 14:17.20 | blazemore | themill: You are certain this won't install gnome shell somehow? |
| 14:17.37 | varrg | Alright, there it is: "This kernel requires an x86-64 CPU, but only detected an i686 CPU.", hm I need to find out if my cpu is really 64bit, heh |
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| 14:19.50 | themill | blazemore: what release of debian is this? |
| 14:20.16 | themill | it looks like squeeze based on the packages you have there |
| 14:20.17 | blazemore | Squeeze, stable |
| 14:20.25 | themill | blazemore: squeeze has gnome 2 |
| 14:20.27 | blazemore | My lovely Gnome 2, my one true love |
| 14:20.29 | blazemore | Good |
| 14:20.43 | blazemore | thanks, I'll install the "gnome" package, it wants to install a few things |
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| 14:20.51 | ictxiangxin | hello |
| 14:20.53 | blazemore | It's probably because I uninstalled rhythmbox and abiword |
| 14:20.59 | ictxiangxin | what is by-uuid ? |
| 14:21.13 | themill | ictxiangxin: yes, that would do it |
| 14:21.19 | ictxiangxin | ls |
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| 14:21.54 | ictxiangxin | hi |
| 14:22.13 | ictxiangxin | what is by-uuid? |
| 14:22.37 | themill | ictxiangxin: do you know what a "uuid" is? |
| 14:22.40 | blazemore | Lets you address disks by a uuid instead of /dev/sdXN |
| 14:22.52 | ictxiangxin | yep |
| 14:23.18 | rafuch0 | but do you guys know for what that was invented ? |
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| 14:23.35 | ictxiangxin | /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 14:23.37 | themill | ictxiangxin: the links you see when you "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" might help to understand what it's doing, along with the output of "blkid" |
| 14:24.15 | themill | rafuch0: it's to save your mounts getting screwed up when you add (or subtract) a new disk / usb stick / dvd writer etc. |
| 14:24.40 | ictxiangxin | why /by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mounted on / |
| 14:24.43 | ictxiangxin | on root |
| 14:24.55 | rafuch0 | you got that right give them a cookie to that men themill X ) |
| 14:26.17 | ictxiangxin | hello? |
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| 14:27.30 | damacus | ictxiangxin: themill just answered it |
| 14:27.31 | ictxiangxin | when I input "df",it return that "dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx mounted on /" |
| 14:27.46 | damacus | its a reliable way of referencing a disk |
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| 14:28.04 | damacus | using /dev/sdX may be different disks on different boots at different times |
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| 14:28.31 | themill | (and in wheezy you'll see two separate mounts for / ... just because) |
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| 14:29.12 | ictxiangxin | i see |
| 14:29.22 | ictxiangxin | good, thanks |
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| 14:32.51 | ictxiangxin | ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 14:33.07 | ictxiangxin | sorry, I need quit |
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| 14:41.28 | os_ | hi |
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| 14:41.59 | ncw2233 | ho |
| 14:42.14 | os_ | how can i start a session in a particular language |
| 14:42.29 | os_ | ØŸ |
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| 14:45.45 | fprophet | I am trying to install a desktop to my laptop. I'm using Debian 6.0.6. I've installed OpenBox, what else must I install to have a working desktop? |
| 14:45.49 | jelly | os_: gdm2 and kdm have a menu somewhere to choose a locale before logging in; dunno about gdm3 |
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| 14:46.01 | babilen | os_: Which desktop environment/display manager do you use? |
| 14:46.50 | os_ | babilen: lxde |
| 14:46.56 | babilen | jelly: gdm3 does not have such an option and you can't even change the language if you use, say, XFCE -- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638353 |
| 14:47.05 | babilen | os_: Which display manager do you use? |
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| 14:47.26 | os_ | lets say it is lightdm .. :) |
| 14:47.59 | os_ | it is acually gdm3 |
| 14:48.08 | jelly | babilen: bluh bluh |
| 14:48.20 | varrg_ | damacus, Apparently my CPU don't support VT-x and virtualbox requires this from CPUs to install 64bit operating systems. That's the problem. Thanks for the help! |
| 14:48.25 | babilen | os_: See my comment above |
| 14:48.43 | jelly | babilen: obviously ubuntu is better! |
| 14:48.46 | os_ | hmm |
| 14:48.47 | babilen | os_: Biggest clusterfuck of localization ever |
| 14:48.54 | damacus | varrg_: ahh, gotcha. glad you got it worked out =) |
| 14:49.08 | babilen | jelly: I have to agree in this particular case |
| 14:49.26 | os_ | i mean how to make a program in a particular locale automatically .. |
| 14:50.04 | os_ | something like export $LANG in shell .. |
| 14:50.10 | babilen | os_: You can start it from a shell in which you set LANG accoridngly |
| 14:50.14 | babilen | *accordingly |
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| 14:50.31 | os_ | babilen: i know .. |
| 14:50.42 | bigbee | if i get my pop mail with claws do i need exim running |
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| 14:51.06 | os_ | but i need to start session from a DM. |
| 14:51.17 | damacus | os_: locale -a to list locales |
| 14:51.25 | damacus | then you'd set the env vars needed in /etc/environment |
| 14:51.30 | fprophet | I have installed OpenBox and whenever I use startx I just get a blank screen with a mouse, any ideas? |
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| 14:51.37 | damacus | (i believe, haven't tested.) |
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| 14:52.00 | damacus | os_: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 14:52.18 | babilen | os_: One *used* to be able to configure this in ~/.dmrc, but apparently this was not good/easy/hard enough. I honestly don't know how you can configure this per-user in gdm3. I talked to another user over on OFTC a couple of hours ago who informed me that kdm, wdm and lightdm also don't let you choose the language anymore. gdm (not gdm3) does support this AFAIK |
| 14:52.45 | damacus | neat... os_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:52.49 | damacus | try that out? |
| 14:52.54 | os_ | babilen: ok |
| 14:53.09 | os_ | damacus: i don't want to set this globally |
| 14:53.22 | masida | bigbee: don't think so, Claws is a MUA, no? you don't need a MTA to use a MUA... |
| 14:53.31 | damacus | oh, ok |
| 14:53.51 | babilen | os_: I consider this to be quite a horrible regression and haven't had time to investigate this further (today) so I would be happy if you figure out a sensible way to do this. AFAICT you actually have to change the system default (which is just fugly) |
| 14:54.11 | varrg_ | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd which one for 32bit version? |
| 14:54.12 | jelly | masida: well. The used to be quite opposite, you'd need something to provide /usr/sbin/sendmail to be able to send mail from your pine or mutt |
| 14:54.55 | bigbee | masida: was not sure if it would effect system messages or not |
| 14:55.06 | varrg_ | hm. I need a 32bit version of debian that runs on a 64bit intel processor |
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| 14:55.39 | masida | jelly: yeah, there are lightweight implementations for that use |
| 14:55.40 | varrg_ | specifically Intel Core2 Duo T6400 @ 2GHZ |
| 14:55.59 | masida | bigbee: system messages? like delivery to local spool? |
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| 14:56.39 | bigbee | masida: yes, some thing along those lines |
| 14:56.53 | masida | bigbee: that would require a MTA, yes |
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| 14:57.54 | bigbee | masida: so i have to keep exim even with claws then? |
| 14:58.02 | masida | bigbee: yes. normally, i don't have a MTA setup on my desktop systems though |
| 14:58.17 | jelly | mullmailer ftw |
| 14:58.20 | masida | bigbee: i don't care for local mail delivery on my desktops |
| 14:58.22 | jelly | nullmailer* |
| 14:58.55 | masida | null mailer wouldn't do any local spooling |
| 14:59.02 | masida | it's only for outgoing mail |
| 14:59.18 | masida | (relay to MTA of ISP) |
| 14:59.21 | bigbee | masida: i is only me on the box, i was concerned about system messages when something goes wrong |
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| 14:59.45 | jelly | eyup |
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| 15:00.15 | masida | bigbee: you're talking about daily/weekly reports? otherwise you have your normal logs no? |
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| 15:01.16 | bigbee | masida: yes, or when upgrading and a message is sent to root or the administrator |
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| 15:02.36 | masida | bigbee: ok, i understand. i'm not sure if it's worth running a full fledged MTA like Exim though |
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| 15:03.03 | b3d0u1n | Hi. I'm trying to use this init.d script to start and stop a virtual machine on startup/shutdown: http://pastebin.com/nduw6mfr . When called manually it works exactly as expected; it also properly shuts down the virtual machine when the host is stopped. The problem is it will not start the VM on reboot. Can anyone tell me what could be wrong? |
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| 15:03.33 | masida | personally I opt to don't run a MTA at all, but I like my systems minimal :-) |
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| 15:03.53 | bigbee | masida: thanks, looks like i need to do a little more research then |
| 15:04.27 | masida | bigbee: i'd start with understanding the pieces that make up a mail system (MTA, MDA, …) then you can decide what you need! |
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| 15:05.30 | bigbee | thnaks!! |
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| 15:06.47 | redwarriors25 | why im always permission denied |
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| 15:11.30 | fprophet | do I need a display manager as well as a window manager? |
| 15:11.40 | fprophet | I've installed gdm, but startx still does nothing |
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| 15:16.08 | redwarriors25 | anyne to make internet of my debian 6 |
| 15:16.12 | redwarriors25 | public dns? |
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| 15:21.36 | boudiccas | fprophet, install XFCE4, you wont regret it :) |
| 15:21.37 | confusid | I'm lost on what to check next. This non-free "http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-realtek" firmware is loaded and dmesg shows that there are no errors but I have nothing but the device "lo" when I use ifconfig. |
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| 15:22.24 | boudiccas | confusid, how do you know its loaded? |
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| 15:23.14 | ceil_ | when is it *not* loaded? |
| 15:23.17 | joya | unex builds WiFi NICs with Atheros chipsets for which there are free drivers. Then people don't need proprietary junk... |
| 15:23.21 | confusid | boudiccas: maybe I should say the hard ware shows in dmesg. I honestly don't know... |
| 15:23.26 | redwarriors25 | why i encounter cannot resolv in debian 6 |
| 15:23.33 | ceil_ | oh wait, this isn't one o' my fun channels. sorry #debian, carry on <_< |
| 15:24.47 | boudiccas | confusid, i'd be inclined to reboot just to make sure thta it does load, and then you mught get a result |
| 15:25.11 | confusid | boudiccas: I've rebooted several times yesterday and 4 times today so far. |
| 15:25.13 | boudiccas | oh what crap spelling i've just done! |
| 15:25.30 | confusid | The files are in /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/* |
| 15:25.33 | boudiccas | confusid, have you rebooted since installing the firmware? |
| 15:25.40 | confusid | boudiccas: yes! |
| 15:25.51 | boudiccas | confusid, fair enough then |
| 15:26.00 | boudiccas | it should be working |
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| 15:26.22 | confusid | I did an install without nic setup. Is it possible the other items needed for the network to have not loaded? |
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| 15:26.53 | boudiccas | confusid, what DE? |
| 15:26.59 | confusid | de? |
| 15:27.13 | boudiccas | confusid, yes, desktop environment |
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| 15:27.43 | boudiccas | confusid, gnome, kde, xfce, etc? |
| 15:27.45 | krababbel | confusid: did you just skip ip address? shouldn't be a problem, I'd say. |
| 15:27.46 | confusid | gnome |
| 15:28.37 | boudiccas | confusid, can you 'ping ftp2.de.debian.org' ? |
| 15:29.41 | confusid | I unpackaged the firmware files.. All of them.. and put them in the correct firmware place on a install net-install and it would not load when I told it "yes" to look for the firmware. Also tried using a usb 4GB stick thats formated with fat32. So idk what is going on. unless the nic is not compatable even with the non-free firmware. |
| 15:29.46 | confusid | Nothing will respond. |
| 15:29.54 | confusid | No dns, no ip. nothing with it |
| 15:30.25 | confusid | ping: unknown host ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 15:30.29 | krababbel | confusid: 'ip link' in terminal should tell you what interfaces are recognised. |
| 15:30.40 | krababbel | maybe just ip address is missing |
| 15:30.42 | boudiccas | confusid, how did you get the firmware files? apt-get? |
| 15:32.09 | boudiccas | try krababbel idea |
| 15:33.07 | confusid | used a windows laptop and downloaded the firmware.zip. used 7zip to extract them then coppied them to a usb stick and moved them to the debian lappy, then used dpkg -i * in the folder and it installed on the lapty |
| 15:33.12 | confusid | lapy* |
| 15:33.39 | joya | how how does one use German umlauts when `set convert-meta off' is uncommented? Is /etc/inputrc documented somewhere? |
| 15:33.52 | boudiccas | ah right, dpkg would/should put them in the right place |
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| 15:34.39 | boudiccas | confusid, try 'ip link' in terminal and see if its up? |
| 15:34.39 | confusid | I was using OBSD and haven't used linux in a while. So I'm a little lost on the direction of where to check things in Debian. Bought this lapy new and am stumped :) |
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| 15:36.00 | ukukuk | hi there.. i have a problem with vsftpd |
| 15:36.26 | ukukuk | I can connect from localhost, but not from an other computer |
| 15:36.33 | confusid | boudiccas: your a genius!! It sees it and I also did ifconfig eth0 up and now ifconfig shows it |
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| 15:37.36 | ukukuk | .. the firewall is open.. that could not be the problem |
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| 15:39.13 | boudiccas | confusid, its krababa's idea really :) |
| 15:39.40 | boudiccas | sorry, krababbel |
| 15:39.55 | confusid | ak.. ty to you and krababbel !!!! |
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| 15:40.29 | confusid | boudiccas: would I just need to go threw the normal dhcp setup or static ip and all should be good? |
| 15:41.08 | boudiccas | confusid, that depends on your isp, normally just the DHCO sorts itself out |
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| 15:41.21 | boudiccas | DHCP |
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| 15:44.07 | boudiccas | confusid, i have a dynamic ip which dhcp and my router handle very well, i just sit back and let it do its own thing |
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| 15:44.26 | blazemore | is apt-get dist-upgrade -t squeeze-backports a good idea? |
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| 15:47.03 | boudiccas | blazemore, why do you want to dist-upgrasde for backports? its not necessary |
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| 15:47.10 | confusid | boudiccas: do you have a link I may read on about that? |
| 15:47.30 | boudiccas | confusid, sorry no, just learned experience |
| 15:47.32 | joya | blazemore: the -t option is usually applied before the action |
| 15:47.43 | babilen | blazemore: No. Among other things due to <backport caveat> -- But the best course of action really depends on your needs and setup. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 15:47.49 | confusid | boudiccas: np I'll get back on google. Thank you for the help! |
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| 15:48.16 | boudiccas | confusid, you're welcome |
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| 15:54.11 | confusid | boudiccas: a possible stupid question. it needs only the rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw file. If I remove all the others the nic still should load? I want to think this is correct |
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| 15:54.58 | boudiccas | confusid, i would be inclined to leave it alone, its working, dont upset it :) |
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| 15:55.47 | mercy92 | hiya, i need help setting up wireless networking |
| 15:56.05 | mercy92 | i have set it up so that when i do iwlist eth1 scan i can scan all the wireless networks |
| 15:56.06 | babilen | mercy92: Please elaborate -- What is your problem? |
| 15:56.17 | mercy92 | but i dont know how to connect to a wireless network |
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| 15:57.02 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell mercy92 about wireless |
| 15:57.19 | babilen | mercy92: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse discusses various techniques. We might, however, be able to recommend one. Do you have to connect to multiple networks? Do you use a graphical desktop environment? |
| 15:57.22 | ChrisH | mercy92: the wiki part might be usefill. |
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| 15:58.26 | boudiccas | ChrisH, usefill? filled with use? :) |
| 15:58.43 | mercy92 | i am using debian on lxde, but no graphical interface for networking |
| 15:58.55 | mercy92 | a paste of my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:58.58 | mercy92 | http://pastebin.com/LJMwPPM2 |
| 15:59.09 | ChrisH | boudiccas: My finger to not follow my orders today |
| 15:59.24 | boudiccas | ChrisH, :) |
| 15:59.53 | ChrisH | mercy92: then test ifup eth1 |
| 15:59.59 | babilen | mercy92: And "ifup eth1" doesn't work? |
| 16:01.12 | mercy92 | i keep getting no DHCPOFFERS received, i know my wireless is working since i set it up |
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| 16:01.27 | babilen | mercy92: Is that your *entire* /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 16:01.59 | mercy92 | no.. i have an auto loopback interface |
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| 16:02.16 | babilen | mercy92: What does "iwconfig eth1" give you? Which wireless adaptor is this? (lspci -nn|grep -i network) |
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| 16:02.38 | os_ | hi |
| 16:02.49 | mercy92 | broadcom bcm4313 |
| 16:02.50 | os_ | i changed the globally locale in debian ! |
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| 16:03.33 | os_ | and still lxde start as english locale! |
| 16:03.48 | os_ | any ideas |
| 16:04.57 | babilen | os_: I've discussed this in #debian-gnome earlier and we really couldn't come up with another way. One thing you *can* try is to create the /var/lib/AccountsService/users/YOURUSERNAME file with content such as http://paste.debian.net/195355/ |
| 16:05.11 | mercy92 | babilen: iwconfig eth1 gives me essid: "mynetworkname" access-point: not associated, and encryption key: off |
| 16:05.13 | babilen | os_: I've mentioned that earlier, but I am not sure if you discussed that yet |
| 16:05.44 | os_ | babilen: gdm3 now use the new locale |
| 16:05.49 | os_ | but lxde not !! |
| 16:06.12 | os_ | it doesn't ! |
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| 16:06.55 | mercy92 | babilen: iwconfig eth1's access point just changed to a mac address, and then changed to not-associated then back |
| 16:07.48 | babilen | mercy92: it is obviously trying to associate but fails - could you check your logs for error messages. Are you sure that the psk is correct and what kind of network are you connecting to? |
| 16:08.12 | babilen | mercy92: Also: Do you plan to connect to only a single network and do you want to use /etc/network/interfaces for that? |
| 16:08.25 | somiaj | so in the new multiarch to compile something like wine on amd64, you want to create a 32bit build enviorment (since by policy you cannot have the amd64 and i386 -dev libs installed at the same time). Using a chroot for a i386 build enviorment works well and is simple, but is there another way to have the i386 headers around without having to have a full copy of all the libs/compliers/headers in a chroot? |
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| 16:08.37 | babilen | mercy92: IIRC wpa-supplicant logs to /var/log/daemon.log but I am not entirely sure and you might want to check syslog and messages too |
| 16:08.58 | mercy92 | babilen: for now i want to get this sing network working, i can worry about more networks later, once i get familiar with debian |
| 16:09.27 | babilen | mercy92: understood -- What kind of network are you connecting to? |
| 16:10.14 | mercy92 | babilen: i think i am getting the error, the log says 4-way handshake failed, pre-shared key may be incorrect, but i am sure its correct |
| 16:10.31 | mercy92 | babilen: i am also getting ctrl-event-disconnected disconnect event remove keys |
| 16:10.35 | babilen | mercy92: I am just asking because using a tool such as network-manager might be easier as it figures out the correct options automatically. Depending on the type of network you are connecting to you need different options as explained in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
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| 16:11.44 | mercy92 | babilen: i understand what you are saying, but i am trying to learn linux as much as i can, i really love working with it, all my servers run it, and i reallly freaking LOVE IT! :D |
| 16:11.58 | babilen | mercy92: Are you absolutely sure that it is correct? Do you, maybe, have to configure wpa-key-mgmt, wpa-pairwise or other wpa-* options? |
| 16:12.52 | babilen | mercy92: Ok, lets start from the beginning. Could you give me the alphanumerical identifier at the end of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ? |
| 16:14.04 | mercy92 | babilen: i think my scan for the wireless network gave me some ideas about the encryption its using |
| 16:14.06 | os_ | guys .. is it normally that gdm3 use the new locale ..and lxde still display in english ? |
| 16:14.19 | somiaj | os_: how did you change your locale? |
| 16:14.25 | os_ | yes ! |
| 16:14.36 | themill | .o0( lxde probably believes it would be too 'heavy' to allow changing the language ) |
| 16:14.43 | os_ | the globally locales ! |
| 16:14.53 | somiaj | os_: how did you change it. What command did you use? |
| 16:15.02 | babilen | mercy92: You have a not very well supported wireless adaptor ... Please give me the output I requested and tell me how you configured it. Which driver do you use? Which kernel? |
| 16:15.06 | os_ | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:15.39 | babilen | os_: Did you try creating a suitable /var/lib/AccountsService/users/USERNAME file? |
| 16:16.05 | os_ | babilen: AH ? :) |
| 16:16.13 | mercy92 | there are tow IE paragraphs, one says IEEE 802.11i/WPA2 version 1, the other para says WPAN Version 1, group cipher is TKIP for both, and authentication suites PSK for both, pairwise ciphers are different - one ccmp other tkip |
| 16:16.21 | babilen | os_: I mentioned that before ... |
| 16:16.26 | os_ | babilen: ok ... i will |
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| 16:17.10 | babilen | os_: I am not sure if that will help and I know nothing about LXDE so, well, it might not ... BUT it is the configuration file used by gdm3 to safe your settings. |
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| 16:17.46 | somiaj | os_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:17.55 | os_ | babilen: i can kill windowmanager and start it with the new locale |
| 16:18.15 | os_ | and it is working .. but i can't do this everytime |
| 16:18.23 | os_ | somiaj: wheezy |
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| 16:18.30 | medusaXX | hi |
| 16:20.09 | babilen | mercy92: Yeah, I still think that the problem might actually be that you didn't configure the device correctly. Which driver and kernel do you use? Which Debian release are you tracking? |
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| 16:23.48 | mercy92 | i am on debian squeeze, followed the instructions here, and i dont think its a driver issue since i can scan for networks and get the correct result |
| 16:23.57 | mercy92 | http://wiki.debian.org/wl - instructiosn here |
| 16:24.49 | mercy92 | babilen: since i am running BCM4313 - and the only thing i did different was using eth1 instead of wlan0, since wlan0 wasnt working for me, saying unknown interface |
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| 16:25.39 | os_ | babilen: thanks .. it worked ! |
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| 16:25.59 | babilen | os_: That worked?! |
| 16:26.03 | file-exists-p | I try to compile something which complains not to find the *.cmake for libxml2 ... Did I miss something or is there a probleme here ? |
| 16:26.10 | babilen | mercy92: Which kernel are you using? |
| 16:26.17 | os_ | babilen: yes |
| 16:26.23 | marcosx86 | Hi, I have a problem related to Scratchbox and Python, where I should go? |
| 16:26.32 | babilen | os_: Wonderful, thanks for trying! |
| 16:26.37 | mercy92 | babilen: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 16:26.43 | os_ | babilen: :) |
| 16:26.44 | themill | (sounds like something to teach dpkg) |
| 16:26.49 | babilen | themill: I will |
| 16:26.59 | somiaj | file-exists-p: you have the libxml2-dev headers installed? |
| 16:27.02 | file-exists-p | yes |
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| 16:27.16 | themill | :) |
| 16:27.24 | file-exists-p | somiaj: yes :) |
| 16:27.39 | babilen | mercy92: Did you reboot your system? |
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| 16:28.11 | mercy92 | babilen: since when?? if after setting up the driver, then yes, more then once |
| 16:28.30 | somiaj | file-exists-p: do you know the exact file name that it is looking for besides *.cmake -- maybe it is an issue with your source you are compling? |
| 16:28.52 | babilen | mercy92: Unfortunately I have to leave soon(ish) -- You might want to ask other people for help. One thing you should definitely do is to check your logs for errors, but right now I am not even convinced that the interface is working correctly, if you configured the connection parameters correctly or what is wrong. |
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| 16:30.42 | mercy92 | babilen: any advice on how i can find out if its a driver error, or if its not configured properly? just any hint will do, i dont want to get lost |
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| 16:31.17 | mercy92 | i learn better with a million errors :D.. so any resource is good for me, anything to help me find where the error is |
| 16:31.54 | babilen | mercy92: It looks as if the driver works (as you can scan for wireless networks) -- All I know is that your particular wifi adaptor is *very* pesky and that I would personally try a newer kernel with the http://wiki.debian.org/brcm80211 driver. |
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| 16:32.44 | babilen | mercy92: The most important step, however, is to check /var/log/* for errors/output of wpa-supplicant. I would personally also just try to use network-manager to see if that can connect. |
| 16:33.23 | mercy92 | coolz.. thnx for the ideas.. one last questoin, how many years of linux experience you have, you seem to be pretty awesome at it |
| 16:33.34 | mercy92 | just curious to know :D |
| 16:33.41 | babilen | mercy92: It looks as if you can't associate with your network because you haven't entered the correct psk -- I can't control that, but it indicates that something is wrong with your configuration. |
| 16:34.05 | mercy92 | true, i got a good feeling about fixing the configurations will fix the issue |
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| 16:35.17 | babilen | mercy92: Hmm, hard to answer, but I've been using Linux as my primary os since '01 (dabbled with it since ~ '97) |
| 16:35.40 | babilen | mercy92: But that is rather a topic for #debian-offtopic :-D |
| 16:35.59 | mercy92 | yeah.. i guess you are right, enjoy wahtever you doing .. cheers |
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| 16:39.38 | flami | Hi, where can I find documentation about the API of a kernel module? |
| 16:40.33 | flami | well to access it from userspace that is. |
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| 16:42.23 | babilen | flami: Could you be more specific? |
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| 16:43.44 | flami | well I need to read out MSRs , but sadly the rd and wdmsr commands are a bit slow (writing to stdout ...) , so I wanted to write a c program that directly uses msrmod and buffer the output. |
| 16:44.02 | flami | But I dont know where I can find information how to talk to the msr module |
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| 16:47.11 | babilen | flami: Read "man msr" -- It contains "The register access is done by opening the file and seeking to the MSR number as offset in the file, and then reading or writing in chunks of 8 bytes. …" |
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| 16:48.42 | babilen | flami: I am also sure that the source of msr-tools contains good examples |
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| 16:48.55 | Sevet | flami: read from /dev/cpu/%d/msr (see tools/power/cpupower/utils/helpers/msr.c for an example) |
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| 16:49.14 | Sevet | flami: arch/x86/include/asm/msr-index.h has a lot of the offsets |
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| 16:49.39 | flami | thanks . Ill look into that |
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| 16:49.46 | babilen | flami: I also think that you *really* want to ask a different channel such as ##c or #kernelnewbies or something |
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| 16:50.50 | flami | sure :P |
| 16:50.52 | Sevet | arch/x86/kernel/msr.c may be a better source (i'm just grepping linux-source-3.2) |
| 16:51.12 | flami | I found the source already , thanks again |
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| 16:54.34 | confusid | I installed debian amd64 on the same machine 2 different ones now. first was a gnome DE then 2nd is a xfce DE but the same usb stick shows different in /media under the gnome it shows as a bunch of numbers and in xfce it shows as "disk" for the base os shouldn't it be the same? |
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| 16:58.27 | Sevet | confusid: no |
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| 16:59.07 | flami | confusid: the name of the directory in /media can be anything the automounter wants. it has nothing to do with debian. |
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| 17:00.18 | nuffigel | hey guys, I just "apt-get dist-upgrade"ed squeeze to wheezy and apt decided to install gcc-4.7 instead of upgrading my installed gcc-4.4. Why is that and how can I avoid this behavior in the future? |
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| 17:00.41 | Sevet | they'll both show to the kernel as the same device, but the way the GUI (gnome/xfce) chooses to identify them will may different. gnome's pulling an id (volume label i think, or perhaps serial) and symlinking to that |
| 17:01.01 | themill | nuffigel: what precisely are you trying to do? |
| 17:01.11 | jelly | nuffigel: are you sure there is a gcc-4.4 in wheezy at all? |
| 17:01.21 | jelly | ,v gcc-4.4 |
| 17:01.22 | judd | Package: gcc-4.4 on i386 -- squeeze: 4.4.5-8; wheezy: 4.4.7-2; sid: 4.4.7-3 |
| 17:01.27 | Sevet | nuffigel: gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.7 are different packages, you can have both installed at the same time |
| 17:01.40 | nuffigel | yes, but I dont want to |
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| 17:01.58 | nuffigel | jelly: pretty sure, yes |
| 17:02.00 | themill | nuffigel: gcc-4.7 is the default gcc in wheezy |
| 17:02.17 | nuffigel | themill: I was just trying to upgrade squeeze to wheezy |
| 17:02.23 | themill | yes... |
| 17:02.23 | Sevet | gcc-4.7 is a dependancy in wheezy, 4.4 is an older version only left in if you -require- that version for soemthing |
| 17:02.45 | themill | confusid: in squeeze, gnome is using "udisks" as xfce4 is using "hal". It doesn't surprise me that the two mounting tools will ask for different names for the same device. |
| 17:03.05 | nuffigel | Sevet: I just uninstalled gcc-4.4 without anything being breaking (I think) so it's prolly not required |
| 17:03.23 | Sevet | no, it's replaced by gcc-4.7 |
| 17:03.38 | nuffigel | so why didnt it upgrade gcc then? |
| 17:03.48 | nuffigel | instead of installing a new gcc |
| 17:03.56 | Sevet | 4.4 would only be required if you want to build something that doesn't build in 4.7 (eg because it fails the new code checks and you don't want to fix the code) |
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| 17:04.09 | themill | nuffigel: umm.. that's what it did |
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| 17:04.29 | nuffigel | themill: no, I had both gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.7 installed after the upgrade |
| 17:04.30 | Sevet | it probably both upgraded gcc-4.4 and installed gcc-4.7 |
| 17:04.37 | nuffigel | I had to manually uninstall gcc-4.4 |
| 17:04.39 | Sevet | there you go then |
| 17:04.54 | themill | nuffigel: sure. It upgraded the packages you installed. This isn't mysterious... |
| 17:05.23 | themill | it quite probably removed gcc-4.3 as part of the upgrade too |
| 17:05.25 | Sevet | gcc-4.4 was left installed (but upgraded) because you'd installed it before. gcc-4.7 was installed as that's part of wheezy |
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| 17:05.39 | Sevet | gcc-4.4 is not the same package as gcc-4.7, they're different packages so that you can have both installed |
| 17:05.49 | nuffigel | themill: my understanding of "upgrade": If I upgrade gcc-4.4 to gcc-4.7, I don't have both gcc-4.4 and gcc-4.7 installed afterwards. Is this understanding wrong? |
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| 17:05.53 | Sevet | therefore you got the latest version of 4.4 and the latest version of 4.7 |
| 17:06.05 | dondelelcaro | nuffigel: you'll still have both installed afterwards. |
| 17:06.12 | simonlnu | nuffigel: normally, but certain packages are handled differently |
| 17:06.13 | themill | nuffigel: "gcc-4.4" is a different package to "gcc-4.7". |
| 17:06.23 | dondelelcaro | nuffigel: you didn't actually "upgrade"; you installed gcc-4.7 in addition to gcc-4.4 |
| 17:06.26 | Sevet | nuffigel: your understanding is right if it's package gcc v4.4, not if it's gcc-4.4 v4.4.5-8 |
| 17:06.51 | nuffigel | dondelelcaro: okay, what do I have to tell apt to perform what I understand by "upgrade" then ? |
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| 17:06.54 | themill | nuffigel: not many packages in debian actually exist in foo-X.Y versions allowing you to install multiple versions side by side. gcc happens to be one of the ones that do that |
| 17:07.19 | themill | nuffigel: you did do an upgrade and by the sounds of it, it went perfectly well |
| 17:07.30 | Sevet | they only exist as specific exceptions where it makes sense (the reason for gcc being it may be useful to have multiple gcc versions installed at once) |
| 17:07.45 | nuffigel | themill: ah I see, and some other package required gcc-4.7 so it got pulled |
| 17:08.11 | themill | nuffigel: yes. the "gcc" package itself, which is a convenience package to allow you to always have the "default" gcc installed |
| 17:08.16 | simonlnu | sees the light bulb go on |
| 17:08.17 | dondelelcaro | nuffigel: you can mark gcc-4.4 as automatically installed, and if nothing else needs it, it'll be removed, but otherwise, it doesn't really matter. |
| 17:08.21 | nuffigel | themill: so it didn't upgrade gcc-4.4 to gcc-4.7 but upgraded gcc-4.4 to some newer vesion of gcc-4.4 and installed gcc-4.7 additionally because someone required it |
| 17:08.28 | themill | nuffigel: yes |
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| 17:09.53 | nuffigel | themill: okay, but having gcc-4.7 I don't need gcc-4.4 no more, so I uninstalled it. Is there some way to find oher packages that behaved like this? (for example, I found python2.6 _and_ pyhton2.7 after the upgrade and uninstalled python2.6) |
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| 17:10.31 | nuffigel | dondelelcaro: how do I do that (mark A)? |
| 17:10.33 | TheWarden | I just installed Debian on a system with standard utilities and SSH. I've logged into the system from the console. I went to edit the /etc/sudoers with visudo however it returns back that the command is not found. What step did I miss to not get visudo installed or a /etc/sudoers file for that matter? |
| 17:10.42 | dondelelcaro | nuffigel: aptitude markauto foopkg; or similar. |
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| 17:11.00 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: sounds like you don't have sudo installed. |
| 17:11.06 | JordiGH | How can I make a chroot connect to the X server in the enclosing environment? |
| 17:11.13 | themill | nuffigel: apt will often help you with that. It's unlikely you'll be able to have wheezy with both py 2.6 and 2.7 installed. |
| 17:11.29 | Sevet | dpkg -l | grep -i -- "[a-z]-[0-9]\.[0-9]" |
| 17:11.29 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: is that not installed by default at the OS installation? I never installed it before. |
| 17:11.29 | dpkg | ii | grep -i -- "[a-z]-[0-9]\.[0-9]" 2.1-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:11.31 | themill | nuffigel: err... unlikely you'll be able to have it withOUT both installed. |
| 17:11.32 | nuffigel | themill: I did :] |
| 17:11.35 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: bind mount /tmp or wherever you have the X socket, and make sure .Xauthority is available |
| 17:11.46 | nuffigel | themill: I do now (uninstalled 2.6) |
| 17:11.50 | Sevet | not you dpkg ;) |
| 17:12.07 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: it depends on what you select. sudo is entirely optional, so it's not always installed. |
| 17:12.13 | Sevet | nuffigel: please bear in mind wheezy is still prerelease |
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| 17:12.21 | Sevet | many packages may still be in transition |
| 17:12.28 | themill | Sevet: not really |
| 17:12.31 | Sevet | it's likely you'll have some that require 2.6 and others that require 2.7 |
| 17:12.32 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the advice. |
| 17:12.36 | themill | nuffigel: you may well find that it comes back on you... don't stress if it does. |
| 17:12.46 | Sevet | themill: well yes, since the freeze hopefully not so much |
| 17:12.50 | nuffigel | themill: ^^ okay |
| 17:13.02 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: well I selected SSH and standard system utilities at install of OS. Nothing else was picked. Just wonder how to get it on at install as I swear it was this way before I did an install. |
| 17:13.26 | nuffigel | still, is there some way to list programs that are installed in two versions? |
| 17:13.36 | themill | Sevet: changing deps from py2.6 to 2.7 is one thing that is most definitely not going to happen |
| 17:13.37 | Sevet | nuffigel: even without transitions you may find some packages need one and others need another, so you may still find multiple versions are needed |
| 17:13.38 | nuffigel | (like python or gcc in my case) |
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| 17:14.06 | themill | nuffigel: gcc, kernel, python, ruby, autotools, boost. Don't know of much else beyond that. |
| 17:14.12 | nuffigel | Sevet: but, don't the packages then depend on these versions and apt wont let me uninstall them? |
| 17:14.13 | Sevet | nuffigel: unless you're severely restricted on space it's not something you need to worry about |
| 17:14.14 | dondelelcaro | nuffigel: not really, no, though you could certainly search for packages which end in -numerics. |
| 17:14.23 | dondelelcaro | themill: and libraries, of course. ;-) |
| 17:14.32 | themill | dondelelcaro: yeah, I was ignoring sonames. |
| 17:14.41 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: yeah I just checked, I selected "SSH Server" and "Standard system utilities". mmm I guess I must have done apt-get install sudo |
| 17:15.01 | dondelelcaro | TheWarden: yeah, I'm not sure off the top of my head what the standard system utilities tasksel thing installs |
| 17:15.05 | themill | dondelelcaro: partly because apt does handle them quite well with autoremoves, while gcc etc are a bit more likely to be manually installed |
| 17:15.10 | nuffigel | dondelelcaro: do you have a snippet with you that does that? |
| 17:15.14 | dondelelcaro | themill: yeah |
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| 17:15.34 | Sevet | nuffigel: if there's a dependancy on it yes that'll block the uninstall. won't count for anything you've installed outside of apt though. |
| 17:15.44 | TheWarden | dondelelcaro: okay thanks |
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| 17:16.36 | dondelelcaro | nuffigel: aptitude search '~i.*[0-9]$'; will give you most of them, with a few false positives |
| 17:16.42 | themill | nuffigel: «aptitude search '~n[[:digit:]]\.[[:digit:]]$'» would be a start. Note that it's listing packages for which there is only one version as well |
| 17:17.04 | dondelelcaro | (well, those that are installed, anyway) |
| 17:17.07 | themill | dpkg: tell nuffigel about aptitude search |
| 17:17.19 | themill | nuffigel: you might want to look at aptitude docs to understand wth those commands are doing |
| 17:17.30 | nuffigel | alright, I think I'll take it from here then guys, thanks for all the help and stuff :] |
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| 17:17.48 | themill | dondelelcaro: what about all those digits that aren't between 0 and 9 in his collation!!!1! |
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| 17:18.49 | dondelelcaro | themill: heh |
| 17:19.35 | themill | ([a-z] really is a dirty habit we should learn to break though) |
| 17:19.38 | dondelelcaro | hopes we don't have anyone who is doing anyting like foopkgâ…¹.â…· |
| 17:19.46 | themill | eek |
| 17:20.06 | dondelelcaro | though I suppose that really would be amusing |
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| 17:30.52 | medusaXX | is there a way to keep dpkg from modifying certain files or their permissions when upgrading packages? |
| 17:31.34 | bluesm | Hey. Is debian make self-defragmentation ? |
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| 17:32.55 | themill | medusaXX: dpkg-statoverride is used to set ownership and permissions. What files are you talking about here/ |
| 17:32.56 | nuffigel | hmm, excuse me again, why do I have so many packages with "i" but not "A" although I never explicitly installed them (f.ex. liblzma2)? |
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| 17:33.32 | themill | nuffigel: packages from the installer are not marked as auto installed. |
| 17:33.56 | medusaXX | themill: roundcube php configuration files that need to be read by apache |
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| 17:34.10 | themill | medusaXX: in /etc ? |
| 17:34.14 | medusaXX | yes |
| 17:34.27 | themill | the debian packages shouldn't be fiddling with them without your consent anyway |
| 17:34.38 | medusaXX | then its a bug |
| 17:34.39 | nuffigel | themill: urgs, so, to keep my system clean, I'll have to mark them all (except the programs that I know I need) and see whether aptitude purges them next time? |
| 17:34.50 | medusaXX | the default setup of the most web applications packaged for debian set user to www-data |
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| 17:35.10 | medusaXX | i always have to change it back to my suid configuration... |
| 17:35.17 | medusaXX | very annoying |
| 17:35.30 | themill | medusaXX: changing the ownership or the files? |
| 17:35.37 | medusaXX | ownership |
| 17:35.46 | themill | medusaXX: dpkg-statoverride.... |
| 17:35.57 | medusaXX | ok |
| 17:36.00 | themill | nuffigel: the stuff installed by the installer isn't normally stuff you want to remove |
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| 17:36.35 | medusaXX | good that there is a tool, but it would be better if dpkg didn't change it at all |
| 17:36.46 | somiaj | I'll ask this question again, for multiarch support and building a i386 build enviroment (mostly headers since the libs are multiarch) on an amd64 system chroot's work and are easy, but is there another method for this that won't require installing everything in the chroot (since the only thing I need in addition is the headers as I have the i386 libs installed already) |
| 17:37.06 | medusaXX | ownership is an element of configuration like the content of the file |
| 17:37.08 | nuffigel | themill: hmm, can I somehow see what packages depend on a package? |
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| 17:37.39 | somiaj | nuffigel: you can use aptitude search to search fot both depends and reverse depends of a package. |
| 17:38.00 | somiaj | nuffigel: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 17:38.49 | lcars47 | does anyone know where I can get a voice stress analysis package? |
| 17:38.57 | nuffigel | somiaj: alright, thanks |
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| 17:41.30 | jrm-rnl | is there any known limit on the size of .deb packages or the files it contains? |
| 17:41.53 | medusaXX | thank you themill |
| 17:42.06 | jrm-rnl | I'm having trouble with a package that includes a >5GB file |
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| 17:42.47 | jrm-rnl | dpkg says "corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive" when unpacking |
| 17:42.47 | dpkg | jrm-rnl: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:42.55 | jrm-rnl | sorry |
| 17:43.04 | jrm-rnl | forgot about the bot |
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| 17:44.39 | jrm-rnl | maybe I shouldn't be using the package manager to install an immutable virtualbox disk |
| 17:44.49 | themill | At what stage does ar(1)'s index overflow, I wonder. |
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| 17:46.19 | jrm-rnl | I think I successfully extracted the contents with dpkg-deb just now; I'm running a diff to confirm |
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| 17:46.49 | somiaj | what about the file system, isn't there a limit to the size of a file on a filesystem as well? |
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| 17:47.36 | nuffigel | themill: so, how come the installer installs the first packages like that, I mean, wouldn't it be much cleaner to have the installed packages marked correctly with A where approprite? |
| 17:47.38 | jrm-rnl | somiaj: it's an ext3 filesystem, and it's had bigger files before |
| 17:48.02 | themill | nuffigel: you're not going to be uninstalling required packages anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point. |
| 17:48.19 | bluesm | Hey. |
| 17:48.32 | bluesm | Hey. Is debian make self-defragmentation ? |
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| 17:49.15 | jrm-rnl | bluesm: Are you asking if there's a disk defragmentation utility in Debian? |
| 17:49.16 | somiaj | bluesm: that is more the effect of the filesystem you use. ext2,3,4 file systems don't get fragmented up for the most part. If you really fill up the filesystem it can start to get fragmented though. |
| 17:49.44 | nuffigel | themill: are you sure? I mean, I can (in theory) even replace apt by some other package manager, can't I? |
| 17:50.21 | bluesm | somiaj: I mean Sometimes I have waves of "long hard disc usage" |
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| 17:50.36 | bluesm | When I do not copy anything. |
| 17:50.42 | jrm-rnl | diff is done, and the extracted file was the same as the original |
| 17:50.45 | themill | nuffigel: if you really want to do that, then you'll be able to remove apt's dependencies that you no longer need too. |
| 17:50.53 | jrm-rnl | maybe it's a bug with dpkg? |
| 17:50.57 | Sevet | bluesm: if you really want to, there's e2defrag for ext2/ext3, but it's offline only |
| 17:51.00 | bluesm | So I've though that is auto-defragmentation. |
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| 17:51.47 | somiaj | bluesm: the filesystem itself tries to keep from getting fragmented. It does this using reserved blocks and free space. The only issues i've seen is if you have a 99% full disk then yes it can have trouble keeping itself clean. |
| 17:51.55 | Sevet | you mean you see the drive do stuff when you're not expecting it to? try iotop to see what's reading/writing |
| 17:52.47 | nuffigel | themill: but they are not A, I'd have to know what apt depended on and remove them by hand, or? |
| 17:52.54 | somiaj | bluesm: linux likes to use your ram as cache. So instead of always reading/writing to the harddisk it will read/write to memeory and fill the cache. It will then look for idel times to preform the actual writes to the disk (this is why it is important you umount drives and properlly shut down your system) |
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| 17:53.06 | bluesm | somiaj: I have ext4 |
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| 17:53.36 | somiaj | but if you have lots of strange writes during idel times, best follow Sevet advice and figure out what is doing the reading/writing. |
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| 17:54.05 | bluesm | somiaj: Ok. Thank you very much. |
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| 17:54.36 | somiaj | bluesm: yea there is no autodefragger that is running in the background. But there are things the file system dose during its writes to keep fragmenation to a minimum. |
| 17:55.22 | bluesm | idel time ? |
| 17:55.26 | bluesm | idle ? |
| 17:55.31 | Sevet | idle |
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| 17:56.11 | bluesm | Ok. But Where I can find which app writes or read? And how much ? In "top" command ? |
| 17:56.17 | jrm-rnl | installing manually with dpkg -i fails with the same error message. Looks like I found a bug in dpkg that doesn't exist in dpkg-deb. |
| 17:57.43 | jrm-rnl | should I contact dpkg maintainers? |
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| 17:58.09 | somiaj | jrm-rnl: there are some more offical debian channels on irc.oftc.net, or you could use the BTS system. |
| 17:58.09 | nuffigel | themill: like, just now, I noticed that libssl1.0.0 got installed but, because libssl0.9.8 was not A, lib0.9.8 was not uninstalled. I marked libssl0.9.8 auto, and aptitude uninstalled it... |
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| 17:58.31 | jrm-rnl | somiaj: thanks, I'll try the irc channels |
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| 17:58.47 | somiaj | nuffigel: do you mix using apt-get, aptitude, dpkg to install stuff? (or even synamptic which doesn't play well with others) |
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| 17:59.20 | themill | nuffigel: the upgrade notes tell you to search for obsolete packages that are no longer available (aptitude search ~o). That covers that package. |
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| 17:59.57 | nuffigel | somiaj: no, just aptitude all the time (admittedly I issued "apt-get dist-upgrade" because I read it somewhere --- whats the aptitude way to dist upgrade?) |
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| 18:00.30 | somiaj | nuffigel: if doing an oldstable -> stable use the tool it recomends (sometimes apt-get works better than aptitude some times the other way around) |
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| 18:00.48 | somiaj | nuffigel: aptitude has safe-upgrade and full-upgrade, where full-upgrade is similar to dist-upgrade |
| 18:00.57 | Sevet | bluesm: in the iotop command |
| 18:01.07 | ikla | anyone have issues with forcedeth hanging on boot? |
| 18:01.11 | ikla | in squeeze |
| 18:01.25 | ikla | eth0 show link up and ready but sits there forever |
| 18:01.45 | sney | Works for Me (tm) |
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| 18:02.13 | somiaj | nuffigel: but I just find that mixing how I install packages sometimes messes up the auto flags. sometimes in the case you end up manually installing a suggest package after. |
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| 18:02.34 | nuffigel | somiaj: urgs, I see |
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| 18:02.44 | nuffigel | well, I don't plan on mixing :] |
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| 18:04.11 | somiaj | nuffigel: yea I just use apt-get out of reflex, trying to use aptitude more here (though I sometimes wish it were faster) |
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| 18:06.10 | nuffigel | somiaj: word, the time it takes to tell me that I typoed my package... |
| 18:06.21 | Sevet | i have an nec 1U rack server with 3 hard drive bays. does anyone know whether they should be sda,sdb,sdc left-right or whether they'd be assigned randomly? |
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| 18:06.53 | Sevet | (got a failed raid drive i need to pull without getting the wrong one...) |
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| 18:07.37 | bluesm | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.41 | jelly-home | ask the nec people :-| |
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| 18:23.40 | aswen | hi, i've got diskspace problem (squeeze) on /var. i've got plenty of space on another volume (/srv). so want to cp /var to /srv/var and mount /var with the option bind in fstab |
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| 18:24.58 | aswen | like so: http://pastie.org/4898218 |
| 18:25.08 | Sm0ke0ut | You probably have to do that in single usermode |
| 18:25.26 | aswen | anyone knows if deb will survive a reboot (can't have access to console) |
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| 18:25.34 | ikla | how many packages does debian-squeeze have? |
| 18:25.44 | aswen | Sm0ke0ut, yeah, but as said, can not has console. ssh only |
| 18:25.56 | abrotman | ikla: over 30,000 |
| 18:26.29 | simonlnu | !debstats squeeze |
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| 18:26.55 | simonlnu | !dstats squeeze |
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| 18:27.27 | simonlnu | !dstats stable |
| 18:27.34 | somiaj | aswen: what do you mean? |
| 18:27.42 | simonlnu | bah, internal error |
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| 18:28.26 | Sevet | bluesm: just a thought, but it could also be the disk smart self testing |
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| 18:28.46 | ikla | hmm |
| 18:29.00 | somiaj | aswen: do you just want to forcefully reboot the system and not have it properly shutdown? |
| 18:29.02 | ikla | when I do a ifconfig down before the ifup in init.d/networking my eth works fine |
| 18:29.06 | balloons | can anyone tell me if there is an active QA channel for debian? |
| 18:29.13 | balloons | debian-qa is invite only? |
| 18:29.16 | aswen | somiaj, i'm unsure whether my box will boot when I have this (http://pastie.org/4898218) in my fstab. |
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| 18:29.32 | somiaj | balloons: the offical irc network is irc.oftc.net |
| 18:29.43 | balloons | ahh, ty :-) |
| 18:30.02 | somiaj | yea looks like #debian-qa is on that network |
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| 18:30.17 | balloons | I'll join now |
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| 18:30.40 | aswen | yeah i have to reboot. I've just rsync'd everything from /var to /srv/var and changed my fstab. but, because I can't have a terminal I'm a bit more cautious than normal |
| 18:31.04 | g105b | What do I need to have previously done to a machine, so I can install Debian via the LAN? |
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| 18:33.02 | Sm0ke0ut | aswen: couldn't you just cleanup the /var dir and eventually resize the partition? what is/was probably more safe than moving stuff. Not sure what you're runnig, but most services rely on /var |
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| 18:33.57 | aswen | Sm0ke0ut, yeah, i would love to but our provider decided to use the entire disk with primairy partitions, no lvm, nothing. |
| 18:34.08 | aswen | there's no real way to resize. |
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| 18:34.18 | simonlnu | ouch |
| 18:34.26 | Sm0ke0ut | so why is there space in /srv then? :-/ |
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| 18:34.46 | aswen | and yes, I can clean /var now, but then I have to do this more often |
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| 18:35.04 | simonlnu | bad planning. or they want ppl to stick stuff in there instead (FHS) |
| 18:35.23 | ikla | is there something wrong with the forcedeth driver in debian that I have to put an ifconfig iface down before the ifup in init.d/networking ? |
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| 18:35.29 | aswen | it's just an error of the guy who did the initial install and we noticed too late to roll back |
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| 18:36.33 | aswen | so, anyone, would this server come up with the fstab as pasted on pastie? |
| 18:37.04 | Sm0ke0ut | can't promise anything |
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| 18:37.14 | Sm0ke0ut | maybe you can simulate it on a virtualized machine |
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| 18:37.38 | aswen | Sm0ke0ut, yeah,i am affraid i have to do that |
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| 18:40.20 | nuffigel | alright, finally got everything A'ed that should be and the last bits of gcc-4.4 got removed automatically off the system, aptitude search is pretty powerful indeed! thanks again everyone, you've been a great help |
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| 18:55.49 | worfox | Hello, is there any way to do debootstrap without having sudo/root access? |
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| 18:56.46 | Sm0ke0ut | in your homedir, sure.. probably not a problem |
| 18:57.11 | worfox | I thought I needed root for chroot |
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| 18:58.24 | varrg | Hi, I just installed a fresh copy of Debian. I would like to remove the password for my user account so that I can just log on without specifying one. I've found a command but as I'm such a newcomer to linux in general I don't dare write it: usermod -p <pass> <account>, where I would specify a space instead of a password. This is probably wrong, tips? |
| 18:59.15 | Sm0ke0ut | uhm why do you want that? it's very-very insecure |
| 18:59.33 | worfox | It's for a system in which I do not have root access. |
| 18:59.36 | worfox | I want to use apt-get |
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| 19:00.13 | peterrooney | varrg: that won't work - you need the encrypted form of a null entry. |
| 19:00.17 | kesroesweyth | varrg if you want to log in without a password, maybe use public key auth instead? |
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| 19:00.37 | varrg | hm, I don't know what that is kesroesweyth |
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| 19:01.15 | kesroesweyth | varrg are you accessing the system directly, or logging in remotely? |
| 19:01.25 | kesroesweyth | I always assume people are logging into their systems remotely for some reason. |
| 19:01.34 | babilen | varrg: It is generally considered to be *very* insecure to not use a password. What are you trying to achieve by that? I mean: What is wrong with having a password? |
| 19:01.52 | varrg | kesroesweyth, directly and running debian in a VM |
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| 19:02.25 | varrg | well, as it's in my VM solely as a test environment for me to learn *nix, I thought it'd be an ease to not have to write the password |
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| 19:02.49 | kesroesweyth | As part of learning linux, I would recommending making a note that passwords are important. Get used to typing them. :) |
| 19:02.59 | kesroesweyth | s/recommending/recommend/ |
| 19:03.15 | sney | varrg: if you want to learn it, then learn it as it exists in the wild. don't just change things for your convenience |
| 19:03.15 | varrg | though I'm not at all familiar with remote logins so I don't know if and how someone can remotely tap into my VM. I'd assume it's not possible without setting up something to actually allow that |
| 19:03.22 | kwork | or learn what key auth is and how ssh agent can you access systems without typing password |
| 19:03.26 | wilee-nilee | varrg, you been a ms admoin account user eh. ;) |
| 19:03.33 | wilee-nilee | admin* |
| 19:03.50 | varrg | wilee-nilee, hehe indeed :) |
| 19:04.05 | wilee-nilee | varrg, hehe many do. |
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| 19:04.14 | varrg | windows is useless without root access, haha |
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| 19:04.24 | varrg | sney, well that's sane. I'll listen to that |
| 19:04.25 | kesroesweyth | varrg I would install openssh-server and then set up public key auth. Google it, or ask here when you're ready. |
| 19:04.30 | kesroesweyth | Very handy and secure. |
| 19:04.45 | varrg | kesroesweyth, I'll read up on it, thanks |
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| 19:06.04 | peterrooney | varrg: lesson # 0 of security: convenience is the opposite of security. |
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| 19:06.39 | r3m | ,v ranger |
| 19:06.41 | judd | Package: ranger on i386 -- sid: 1.5.4-1; wheezy: 1.5.4-1 |
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| 19:08.39 | varrg | petercollins, true. Alright, password it is :) |
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| 19:09.20 | markus1123 | quick question: how do you enable chechboxes in terminal programs? for example when installing phpmyadmin via aptitude i can select for which i want to configure it automatically: apache2 and lighttpd and i would like to select both |
| 19:09.54 | babilen | varrg: I would recommend to read http://debian-handbook.info/ (great and free (beer/speech) book on Debian) |
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| 19:12.29 | babilen | markus1123: That is debconf (not the conference though) |
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| 19:12.56 | Sevet | markus1123: arrows and space |
| 19:13.21 | varrg | babilen, terrific, I'll read it! |
| 19:13.22 | markus1123 | Sevet: thanks very much! feeling a little bit dumb for not trying space bar :) |
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| 19:13.55 | babilen | markus1123: See, for example, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/best-pkging-practices.html#bpp-config-mgmt |
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| 19:14.10 | babilen | markus1123: Ah! You are asking how to actually enable those ... |
| 19:14.12 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 19:14.31 | babilen | And I though you are asking how those dialogues are implemented ... Sorry :-D |
| 19:14.35 | babilen | *thought |
| 19:14.47 | markus1123 | yes exactly, maybe my english isn't the best |
| 19:14.54 | markus1123 | but now everything works fine |
| 19:15.34 | babilen | markus1123: I just misunderstood. It might have been less ambigious if you had asked "how to tick checkboxes", but meh :) |
| 19:15.38 | ner0x | Setting the local timezone on a headless box? Commandline tools to look up? |
| 19:16.09 | markus1123 | babilen: will do that next time |
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| 19:17.14 | markus1123 | thanks and byebye! |
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| 19:17.40 | Sevet | ner0x: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, cat /etc/timezone |
| 19:18.31 | ner0x | Sevet++ # thank you. |
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| 19:19.18 | ner0x | When using crontab, must you do something to register the changes? |
| 19:19.38 | kesroesweyth | ner0x write out the file |
| 19:19.39 | Sevet | you mean non-interactively? |
| 19:19.48 | Sevet | echo 'Etc/UTC' > /etc/timezone ; dpkg-reconfigure --frontend noninteractive tzdata |
| 19:20.00 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: As soon as I save it works/ |
| 19:20.02 | ner0x | ?* |
| 19:20.17 | kesroesweyth | ner0x the changes will be applied, yes. |
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| 19:20.30 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: And cron will run the correct scripts? |
| 19:20.43 | kesroesweyth | ner0x try it for yourself :) |
| 19:21.00 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: I have with no results, was trying to double check. |
| 19:21.07 | Sevet | ah you just mean editing the crontab? |
| 19:21.14 | Sevet | cron'll spot that the file's been changed and reread it |
| 19:21.16 | Sevet | you can verify in syslog |
| 19:21.58 | Sevet | best to edit it with the crontab command though rather than directly |
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| 19:22.08 | kesroesweyth | ner0x you should see in the shell that the new crontab was installed. if nothing happens, check your configuration |
| 19:22.15 | kesroesweyth | ner0x are you using crontab -e? |
| 19:22.19 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: yes. |
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| 19:22.29 | kesroesweyth | ner0x is it opening in nano? vim? |
| 19:22.31 | ner0x | crontab -l shows the change. |
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| 19:22.42 | kesroesweyth | can you show us the change? |
| 19:22.44 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: nano... Please, for the love of god, how do I make it use vim. lol |
| 19:23.03 | sney | I believe it uses $EDITOR |
| 19:23.11 | kesroesweyth | ner0x good question. i think you need to chnage the $EDITOR variable |
| 19:23.28 | ner0x | I put set EDITOR=vim in my .bashrc, no change. |
| 19:23.28 | kesroesweyth | do echo $EDITOR |
| 19:23.41 | ner0x | says vim. |
| 19:23.42 | kesroesweyth | ner0x log out and back in? not sure |
| 19:23.46 | ner0x | But no such luck. |
| 19:23.48 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: And I did that. |
| 19:24.10 | kesroesweyth | ner0x beyond me :) anyways, show us your crontab if it doesn't contain sensitive information |
| 19:24.18 | kesroesweyth | Or the relevant line, anyhow. |
| 19:24.21 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: None, one second. |
| 19:24.31 | kesroesweyth | pastebin it if it's more than a line or two. |
| 19:25.13 | ner0x | 18 15 * * 1-5 perl /home/fswitalski/backup/s3_sync.pl |
| 19:25.16 | ner0x | Just a single line. |
| 19:25.27 | kesroesweyth | Okay, you're waiting for that time to occur. |
| 19:25.28 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: I'm not new to linux or irc. :-) Just never used cron before. |
| 19:25.35 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: Correct, just reset it. |
| 19:25.39 | kesroesweyth | Try */5 * * * * perl /home/fswitalski/backup/s3_sync.pl |
| 19:25.43 | Sevet | ner0x: its export EDITOR=vim |
| 19:25.46 | Sevet | not set |
| 19:25.47 | kesroesweyth | Then it should run every 5 minutes. |
| 19:26.14 | ner0x | Sevet: Oh man, duh. lol |
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| 19:26.25 | Sevet | but if echo $EDITOR said vim it was set |
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| 19:27.06 | Sevet | EDITOR=vim, crontab -e opens in vim on my system... (squeeze) |
| 19:27.14 | ner0x | Sevet: Either way, export worked. |
| 19:27.35 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: The script did not run. |
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| 19:28.04 | kesroesweyth | ner0x any errors in /var/log/syslog? |
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| 19:28.12 | kesroesweyth | or maybe /var/log/messages? I forget. |
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| 19:28.28 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: */5 * * * 1-5 echo 'this worked' > /home/fswitalski/cron_worked.txt New line. |
| 19:28.31 | ner0x | See if that works. |
| 19:28.54 | divbell | or /var/log/cron.log, even |
| 19:29.04 | kesroesweyth | For something that simple, run it every minute to save time. :) |
| 19:29.08 | kesroesweyth | divbell genius :D |
| 19:29.16 | kesroesweyth | afk, sorry. good luck. :) |
| 19:29.18 | ner0x | kesroesweyth: I actually just did that. |
| 19:29.34 | g105b | I've installed debian .img using dd. It has created two partitions, and I want to increase the size of the main (second) partition to fill the size of the disk. Can someone help? |
| 19:30.00 | ner0x | Jesus christ they used ubuntu not debian... |
| 19:30.18 | ner0x | apologizes for the language. :-) |
| 19:30.18 | wilee-nilee | g105b, Use a live cd of gparted |
| 19:30.39 | wilee-nilee | or a live cd with gparted on it |
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| 19:30.45 | g105b | why live cd? |
| 19:30.52 | ner0x | Anyone want to pick up where kesroesweyth left off? |
| 19:30.57 | ner0x | It worked for that, btw. |
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| 19:32.01 | g105b | wilee-nilee: why do i need to use a live cd? |
| 19:32.02 | wilee-nilee | g105b, You can't resize a partition your using |
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| 19:32.10 | wilee-nilee | you're* |
| 19:32.28 | g105b | wilee-nilee: the hard disk is external... can i use gparted without the live cd? |
| 19:33.02 | wilee-nilee | g105b, Yeah if you have another install that has gparted that is fine, it helps if you like give al your options. |
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| 19:33.27 | wilee-nilee | g105b, make sure to turn off the swap on that external if there is one. |
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| 19:34.23 | Sevet | ner0x: PATH in crontab may not be the same as you expect (it does not load the user's profile)... try an absolute path to perl and see if the script does anything that depends on relative paths |
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| 19:34.59 | Sevet | and check the cron logs in syslog for any errors - it'll log if there are any problems with the crontab (permission/syntax) as well as when it runs something |
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| 19:36.38 | g105b | should raspberry pi have a swap partition on the SD card? if so, how large should it be for optimal performance? |
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| 19:37.21 | ner0x | Sevet: I was thinking that might have been the problem. |
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| 19:41.21 | g105b | How do I create an image of a computer on the network (.img or .tar, whatever makes most sense), so I can periodically reset the drive to how it was at the point of the image? |
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| 19:42.22 | JimmyGulp | g105b: if you're oing it on the machine itself, you want dd |
| 19:42.54 | g105b | JimmyGulp: I want to do it remotely over LAN, via ssh probably |
| 19:43.42 | JimmyGulp | dd will work over ssh (its just a command :) ), and you can dump the resulting image on an nfs / samba share |
| 19:44.10 | JimmyGulp | eg: dd if=/dev/sda of=/nfsmount/RemoteHost.img |
| 19:44.24 | ikla | which kernel is offered in stable 2.6.32 ? |
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| 19:45.21 | g105b | JimmyGulp: great ... this is new to me, so I can run dd to install a .img file to the hard disk of a pc over ssh? |
| 19:45.22 | jhutchins_wk | ,kernels |
| 19:45.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.5-trunk-686-pae (3.5.2-1~experimental.1); sid: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.30-1); wheezy: 3.2.0-3-686-pae (3.2.23-1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (3.2.23-1~bpo60+2); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-46); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-35~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-29) |
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| 19:45.34 | ompaul | Edwin the cat's out - be a dear and open the box and put him away |
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| 19:46.25 | petercollins | was there a mass highlight earlier? |
| 19:46.47 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: You might want to look at clonezilla, a CD or PXE based system dedicated to cloning disks & partitions. |
| 19:47.04 | jhutchins_wk | g105b: Similar to Norton Ghost. |
| 19:47.11 | ner0x | If I want to get a headless mini-computer for backups, what would I look for on newegg? |
| 19:47.11 | JimmyGulp | g105b: er, I'd be hesitant to re-image a machine over an ssh connection (unless its a serial connection over ssh) |
| 19:48.47 | jhutchins_wk | You'd want to boot to something other than the system you're imaging anyway. |
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| 19:48.52 | g105b | jhutchins_wk, JimmyGulp: I have to do it remotely, don't have access to the computer physically |
| 19:50.23 | Sevet | g105b: debian-installer can have a ssh console to install over the network from a cd/pxe |
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| 19:50.38 | Sevet | not dd but... |
| 19:51.12 | JimmyGulp | g105b: might be worth looking at either a serial-console type thing, or some kind of pxe boot that'll give you ssh / nfs / etc to dd / ghost the image back on |
| 19:52.06 | JimmyGulp | g105b: I'm prodding in the dark here, its not something I've done for years, and the last time ijt was on an IBM bladecentre :) |
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| 20:05.58 | bhasker | I have a question about brctl. Can someone tell me please which is the best channel to ask ? |
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| 20:07.44 | g105b | Does `userdel -r username` leave any trace of said username? |
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| 20:08.34 | kesroesweyth | g105b define "any trace"? |
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| 20:09.02 | Sm0ke0ut | deluser --remove-all-files <username> probably won't |
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| 20:12.13 | nander | Is there a really good music player like foobar on linux (a very lightweight player with a nice layout )? |
| 20:12.36 | nander | I'm using foobar2000 with collum as a plugin and have a very lightweight music player with category search.. |
| 20:13.50 | Schrodinger`Cat | !meow |
| 20:13.50 | dpkg | breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow... |
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| 20:15.03 | abrotman | nander: quodlibet might have that |
| 20:17.35 | nander | lol, my life was a lie, knocking on heavens door is originally by Bob Dylan! |
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| 20:18.01 | abrotman | yes .. |
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| 20:18.15 | jhutchins_wk | Not Bob Marley. |
| 20:18.23 | nander | No, not bob marley xD |
| 20:18.28 | abrotman | Should we also tell you that Jimi didn't write All Along The Watchtower ? |
| 20:18.39 | nander | No, I did know that one |
| 20:18.40 | nander | ;) |
| 20:18.42 | jhutchins_wk | Who wrote "Red, Red Wine"? |
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| 20:18.48 | nander | I think it was CCR |
| 20:18.56 | talsamon | neil diamond |
| 20:18.58 | jhutchins_wk | Watchtower's Dylan too. |
| 20:19.01 | nander | Neil Diamond |
| 20:19.02 | jhutchins_wk | talsamon: Correct! |
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| 20:19.28 | nander | Debian users have good music taste? |
| 20:20.09 | ompaul | nander: good is objective, I am sure they have objective music taste. |
| 20:20.11 | abrotman | ask #debian-offtopic |
| 20:20.48 | nander | By the way, thanks for the great OS |
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| 20:21.19 | ompaul | blame the devs :-) |
| 20:21.20 | nander | Since I found out amd drivers run on powersaver by default (and turned powersaver off) it runs like a bliss |
| 20:21.44 | nander | I thought the linuxdrivers were bad, but these drivers are awesome |
| 20:21.53 | nander | (AMD Firepro mobile) |
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| 20:22.01 | ompaul | nander: #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:27.30 | nim_ | is there a way to install debian in my netbook using netinstall via wireless???????? |
| 20:28.06 | sney | nim_: yes, and you don't need nearly that many question marks |
| 20:28.14 | nim_ | sorry |
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| 20:28.22 | nander | 6 are enough ;) |
| 20:28.31 | nim_ | lol |
| 20:28.41 | nim_ | so, how can i do it? |
| 20:28.54 | nim_ | (with only one question mark) |
| 20:29.00 | sney | what wireless nic do you have, and is your wireless network encrypted |
| 20:29.09 | nim_ | wep |
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| 20:31.01 | nim_ | and nic is a 01:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 20:31.01 | nim_ | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. L1e Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev b0) |
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| 20:31.27 | sney | ok, you can use the regular debian netinstall. |
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| 20:31.55 | nim_ | but the autconfigure network always fails |
| 20:32.39 | sney | hmm, you can try a kmuto installer with a newer kernel. http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 20:34.54 | nim_ | is there a way to load the wireless firmware? |
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| 20:35.07 | nim_ | during the instalation? |
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| 20:35.24 | sney | nim_: your ar928x does not require firmware |
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| 20:36.06 | nim_ | ok |
| 20:36.08 | nim_ | thx |
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| 20:36.54 | varrg | Alright, I shouldn't guess around any longer. I need to install php5.4 but aptitude will just let me grab 5.3.x. This is my /etc/apt/sources.list: http://nrby.eu/c/146 and I ran aptitude update afterwards |
| 20:36.59 | varrg | but it still just finds 5.3.x |
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| 20:37.17 | Sm0ke0ut | stable doesn't have 5.4 |
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| 20:38.00 | varrg | I figured, so I added unstable, and testing |
| 20:38.09 | varrg | to the sources.list, shouldn't it find it then? |
| 20:38.22 | Sm0ke0ut | did you do apt-get update? |
| 20:38.27 | sney | if you mix stable, testing, and sid, you'll just get a broken system |
| 20:38.30 | sney | don't mix things with stable. |
| 20:38.31 | varrg | aptitude update, yes |
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| 20:38.50 | sney | unfortunately, php doesn't backport well, so your best option is probably just to upgrade to wheezy and use that |
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| 20:39.00 | varrg | okay, well, what is the preferred way to get php5.4? I don't see myself knowledgeable enough to build it myself just yet |
| 20:39.01 | Sm0ke0ut | or compile it yourself from sources |
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| 20:39.58 | varrg | sney, surely php should have no troubles running on squeeze, I mean, why would it? |
| 20:39.59 | Sm0ke0ut | dunno. I stick to the "debian defaults". I will only upgrade if it's in stable |
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| 20:40.44 | sney | varrg: it's not a question of running, it's a question of the system libraries etc. you're the guy running debian in a vm for learning purposes, right? wheezy is more than stable enough for your needs |
| 20:40.46 | varrg | hm |
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| 20:40.52 | Sm0ke0ut | Debian (stable) is not really the OS if you want to keep up with the latest updates |
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| 20:40.56 | MestreLion | guys, I'm trying to package a small C program that does not have a Makefile (it's a windows port). I'll try to create the Makefile by hand (autotools is overkill). Regarding $(DESTDIR) and $(prefix), what are the conventions that a default debian/rules expect in a Makefile? |
| 20:41.18 | varrg | well, it's only php that I care about latest with really |
| 20:41.19 | MestreLion | (default as in created by dh_make) |
| 20:41.32 | sney | MestreLion: I imagine that info is in the new maintainer's guide |
| 20:41.46 | sney | MestreLion: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 20:41.50 | varrg | sney, indeed. Hmm, well I don't want to switch OS so shortly after getting it bootable :P |
| 20:42.08 | varrg | maybe I'll look into compiling it myself then. I take it's basically ./configure and then ./make |
| 20:42.10 | Sm0ke0ut | switch to unstable or testing and you'll have the latest packages |
| 20:42.30 | varrg | Sm0ke0ut, I thought I did that: http://nrby.eu/c/146 |
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| 20:42.43 | sney | varrg: you have to pick one. having all 3 is just asking for a mess |
| 20:42.43 | Sm0ke0ut | no |
| 20:42.51 | MestreLion | sney: I'm reading here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html , but it assumes the Makefile already exists (and uses some build system like autotools or cmake) |
| 20:42.56 | Sm0ke0ut | it's all pointing to 'squeeze' |
| 20:43.02 | Sm0ke0ut | you've to change that to unstable or something |
| 20:43.09 | varrg | oh, I see |
| 20:43.17 | varrg | sorry, as I said, I'm guessing a lot at the moment |
| 20:43.35 | Sm0ke0ut | but don't mix up different releases |
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| 20:43.42 | Sm0ke0ut | it will really ** up your system ;) |
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| 20:44.08 | jhutchins_wk | varrg: He's suggesting you change "squeeze" to "wheezy". |
| 20:44.20 | jhutchins_wk | varrg: Build a wheezy vm, run either/both |
| 20:44.27 | sney | varrg: trust me, upgrading to wheezy is MUCH less headache than building a pig like php from source and replacing the debian package. (you could try to backport it from wheezy, but still, the wheezy upgrade is a more direct route) |
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| 20:44.39 | Sm0ke0ut | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ might be helpfull for you @ varrg |
| 20:44.50 | sney | Sm0ke0ut: don't recommend that kludge please |
| 20:45.02 | varrg | hmm |
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| 20:45.05 | Sm0ke0ut | kludge? :) |
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| 20:45.33 | Sm0ke0ut | ah, got it :) |
| 20:46.09 | varrg | is upgrading to wheezy a huuuge process? |
| 20:46.16 | sney | most of the times I've seen that link are in the aftermath of someone creating a frankendebin |
| 20:46.40 | sney | varrg: nope. change squeeze to wheezy in sources.list, apt-get upgrade;apt-get dist-upgrade, go have a sandwich. and it's done when you get back' |
| 20:47.00 | peterrooney | varrg: wheezy is still undergoing testing - it is KNOWN not stable |
| 20:47.04 | peterrooney | squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:47.07 | peterrooney | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 20:47.07 | varrg | oh, I thought it was like a formatting :p |
| 20:47.13 | sney | peterrooney: aye, but he's got a vm, so |
| 20:47.27 | sney | it's roughly as stable as most ubuntu releases |
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| 20:47.49 | varrg | well, my main focus is to learn nix, maybe I should stay with squeeze then? |
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| 20:48.08 | peterrooney | !stable->testing |
| 20:48.11 | sney | it won't make much difference with regard to that, except that wheezy uses some more current technologies |
| 20:48.29 | MestreLion | sney: I mean... lets say I change the makefile to install my executable to $(DESTDIR)$(prefix)/bin . But the default $(prefix) is "/usr/local" , while debian packages expect "/usr". How to cope with that in the Makefile? |
| 20:48.30 | nander | hi, how do I get quod libet to react to key combinations like windowsbutton-rightarrow (to play the next song) even when not focussed to it? |
| 20:48.34 | peterrooney | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 20:48.35 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you may have a slightly bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like squeeze-updates and backports, and change squeeze to wheezy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 20:48.35 | sney | peterrooney: it won't parse that way because of the special characters. you have to do dpkg: keyword |
| 20:48.36 | nander | I'm running debian testing with xfce |
| 20:48.46 | varrg | is downgrading to squeeze again a big problem/not possible, if I would choose to later on? |
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| 20:48.53 | nander | varrg - big problem |
| 20:48.57 | sney | varrg: no, downgrades are not supported |
| 20:49.13 | nander | It happen automatically (freezing) |
| 20:49.22 | nander | It happens over time |
| 20:49.37 | sney | varrg: but a lot of us are using wheezy as our main systems, and again, since you're just using a vm to learn the OS it'll be fine |
| 20:49.42 | sney | nander: that's not correct |
| 20:49.59 | varrg | hm |
| 20:50.35 | varrg | alright, I'll probably get a few other VMs over time (ubuntu and such) so I may as well start with wheezy |
| 20:50.47 | nander | just don't even bother trying ubuntu |
| 20:50.53 | primorialhobbit | I have no experience with Debian... If I install Wheezy, then when it is ultimately released as stable, what's involved in converting the box to the 'stable' Wheezy (as opposed to using the new testing)? |
| 20:51.07 | nander | Ubuntu got screwed over when they moved to unity |
| 20:51.22 | varrg | nander, well, some other dist. then:p |
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| 20:51.43 | nander | Try fedora maybe, but imo debian is the only real linux ;) |
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| 20:51.59 | sney | primorialhobbit: nothing. it'll just happen automatically. |
| 20:52.08 | nander | Even though debian isn't solely linux ;) |
| 20:52.11 | sney | primorialhobbit: well, aside from the usual apt-get upgrade |
| 20:52.20 | primorialhobbit | sney: Well, that's quite excellent, thank you :) |
| 20:53.06 | nander | Well, I had a question somewhat up ;) |
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| 20:53.29 | nander | Is it possible to register keyboard shortcuts in such a way they give commands to quod libet? |
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| 20:53.43 | nander | And are captured globally? |
| 20:54.07 | varrg | actually, I'll make a new VM with wheezy tomorrow instead, and use both. Thanks for the tips and info! |
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| 20:54.30 | nander | But remember, an OS is just a tool to get the job done |
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| 20:54.47 | nander | If your job is done better in windows, feel bad for an hour or so and move on and get the job done |
| 20:54.55 | nander | No need to be a fundamentalist ;) |
| 20:55.08 | nander | Reality is debian does a lot of stuff better than windows ;) |
| 20:55.16 | nander | Even quite a few game |
| 20:55.18 | nander | games* |
| 20:55.19 | varrg | haha, just feels like at least basic unix knowledge is a must being a developer |
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| 20:55.38 | nander | For being a developer - no, for being a great one - yes |
| 20:55.44 | varrg | just haven't gotten my thumb out of my arse until now |
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| 20:58.47 | nander | Nobody knows how to get quod libet to react to global keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 21:04.22 | g105b | I've got a VPN server running (PPTP) but when I connect to it from my Ubuntu machine, I can access all local IPs within the LAN, but there is no internet access. Am I missing something obvious? |
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| 21:04.55 | sney | g105b: for starters, this isn't #ubuntu |
| 21:05.20 | g105b | sney: sorry, forgot to say that the PPTP is running on Debian server within the LAN |
| 21:05.26 | g105b | just using Ubuntu as a client |
| 21:05.53 | sney | you're probably just missing a default route |
| 21:06.13 | nander | Did you tell your client to use the vpn for internet? |
| 21:06.38 | nander | Mine just does the 130.89.*.* ip addresses for instance |
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| 21:09.02 | g105b | nander: how should I tell my client to use the vpn for internet? |
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| 21:09.46 | nander | If you want that, yes |
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| 21:10.15 | g105b | I do want that, how can I tell it to? |
| 21:10.16 | dorphalsig | Hello, Im trying to setup a tape drive under squeeze with kernel 3.2 |
| 21:10.29 | dorphalsig | but when I run stinit I get errorno 5 |
| 21:10.40 | dorphalsig | Can't open tape device /dev/nst0 |
| 21:11.23 | dorphalsig | and I have no idea whats wrong |
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| 21:12.30 | XeL64 | high |
| 21:12.48 | XeL64 | hi ;) |
| 21:13.25 | nander | g105b, sorry, I don't know that.. |
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| 21:13.28 | nander | I use xfce.. |
| 21:13.40 | nander | And I used some guide by my university.. |
| 21:13.53 | samruger | im running debian squeeze with xfce4 on a laptop and when the system is idle for about 10 minutes something is turning the display off, i tried the xfce4-power-manager settings but it still does it even if xfce4-power-manager isnt running. i guess my question is where is the config file for what ever is controling power in debian located? |
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| 21:14.28 | nander | It's still xfce probably.. |
| 21:14.34 | samruger | hmm |
| 21:14.37 | nander | I don't think debian does that.. |
| 21:15.02 | nander | There are separate sections for on battery and on AC |
| 21:15.12 | nander | Look if you changed the right one |
| 21:15.15 | samruger | yeah, i tried both it does it either way |
| 21:15.21 | samruger | on ac or bat |
| 21:15.49 | nander | It's in the second tab: monitor |
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| 21:16.02 | samruger | everything is set to never |
| 21:16.03 | dorphalsig | nobody? |
| 21:16.05 | nander | The one in the first tab (actions ) is just the sleep |
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| 21:16.13 | nander | Then it should work fine |
| 21:16.37 | samruger | and it still does it, liek i said, even if i kill xfce's power manager it still does it thats why i was thinking maybe something else was overriding it or something |
| 21:17.01 | nander | Check if some iffy gnome things are still running |
| 21:17.06 | nander | And kill them with fire! |
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| 21:17.42 | nander | If you use the gnome-dm as login there is still a gnome thing active |
| 21:17.50 | nander | if you use lightDM gnome is DEAD |
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| 21:18.20 | XeL64 | someone know where i can found a soft to view some keyboard layout ? |
| 21:18.33 | LeLutin | I have a server that runs apache in a chroot and it starts up nice, but when I do a graceful reload it says "Can't open /dev/null: Permission denied" is it possible that creating the device manully with mknod is "not sufficient" ? |
| 21:19.13 | sliddjur | hello, when i use crontab -e and enter * */1 * * * mycommand it seems like it runs command every minute instead of hour? weird thing is *60/ * * * * command is working ? :O |
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| 21:19.38 | sliddjur | what would be the difference |
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| 21:19.47 | ikla | is it possible to install all *dev* packages? |
| 21:20.02 | nander | it is |
| 21:20.07 | nander | But it's not recommended |
| 21:20.11 | nander | ALL |
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| 21:20.15 | nander | That's an awful lot |
| 21:20.21 | nander | I doubt your hard disk is big enough |
| 21:20.25 | ikla | 3TB |
| 21:20.26 | ikla | :p |
| 21:20.28 | nander | apt-get install *.dev |
| 21:20.31 | nander | I doubt that's enough |
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| 21:20.34 | peterrooney | ikla: better question is, why would it be either useful or fun? |
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| 21:20.49 | nander | If you want to blow up your machine, do it, but it's not my fault |
| 21:20.50 | ikla | so devs have all the packages they need |
| 21:20.55 | ikla | or is there a standard package list |
| 21:20.55 | nander | wtf? |
| 21:21.00 | Solid-State | How can I make debian run on my toaster? |
| 21:21.03 | ikla | like redhat |
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| 21:21.15 | Tramp | sliddjur: sure it runs every miinute. You have "*" in the minute-column. |
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| 21:21.44 | nander | Solid-State: use an adruino-board to connect your toaster hardware to a small computer (computer on a chip) and run linux on that computer! |
| 21:21.47 | ikla | I can do it another way nevermind |
| 21:21.47 | ikla | :p |
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| 21:22.19 | nander | It requires some soldering and probably writing a protocol / driver for your toaster |
| 21:22.20 | sliddjur | Tramp, I thought it was m h dom mon dow? |
| 21:22.25 | Solid-State | nander: I actually just purchased a raspberry pi. Hopefully I can make a case out of a toaster for it :) |
| 21:22.34 | nander | It's possible |
| 21:22.36 | Tramp | sliddjur: it is. |
| 21:22.40 | Aenigma | hi, what kernel version is wheezy shipping with? i have some bugs in sid right now listed as 681232 and 665881 which are apparently fixed in upstream with 3.4 which seems to be in experimental |
| 21:22.50 | nander | Are there USB relais switches? |
| 21:23.10 | Aenigma | but i could be wrong since i'm pretty ignorant to debian processes |
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| 21:23.12 | Tramp | sliddjur: you showed "* */1...." - that clearly has "*" in the first column |
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| 21:23.23 | sliddjur | Tramp, what do I type if I want it to run every hour (not every 60 mins) then? |
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| 21:23.26 | Tramp | sliddjur: btw, * */1 is the same as * * |
| 21:23.30 | g0del | Solid-state: i got one too, can't decide what to do about a case |
| 21:23.39 | peterrooney | ikla: plus, there will be a metric boatload of conflicts |
| 21:23.44 | Tramp | sliddjur: you specify a minute. e.g. "23" |
| 21:24.22 | ikla | yeah |
| 21:24.26 | ikla | debian has too many pkgs :p |
| 21:24.29 | Tramp | sliddjur: though I don't get what you mean by "every hour, not every 60 mins)" |
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| 21:24.55 | jhutchins_wk | sliddjur: Pick a time during the hour for it to run. |
| 21:25.19 | Tramp | sliddjur: all places I know, "every hour" means "ever 60 mins" |
| 21:25.23 | sliddjur | =) |
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| 21:25.45 | sliddjur | but if I have to pick a time, it doesnt run every hour - since boot? |
| 21:25.47 | jhutchins_wk | sliddjur: Or drop a script into /etc/cron.hourly |
| 21:26.04 | Tramp | sliddjur: you dan't do that with cron |
| 21:26.11 | Tramp | can't |
| 21:26.47 | samruger | nander, if i purge gdm will it just boot to the cli or would i have to do anything extra |
| 21:26.52 | Tramp | sliddjur: for that, you'd have to run a script every minute, which does the calclulaitone "since boot" by itself |
| 21:27.18 | Tramp | calculazione |
| 21:27.21 | Tramp | :) |
| 21:27.39 | sney | Aenigma: wheezy is shipping with 3.2 but some fixes from upstream may be backported. |
| 21:27.40 | sliddjur | jhutchins_wk, also, doesn't the /etc/cron.hourly only run as root? |
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| 21:27.57 | jhutchins_wk | Squeeze appears to run the hourlies at *:17 |
| 21:29.26 | sliddjur | 0 */1 * * * this would be hourly then at every 0th minute? |
| 21:29.54 | dondelelcaro | sliddjur: you want 0 * * * * |
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| 21:30.09 | jhutchins_wk | sliddjur: /1 is redundant and bad form. |
| 21:30.18 | dondelelcaro | (*/1 is the same as *) |
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| 21:30.52 | Tramp | as I already pointed out |
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| 21:31.05 | jhutchins_wk | I found a crontab today that has 5,10,15,... all the way to 60. |
| 21:31.45 | Tramp | and I also consider "0" not a good idea, since it leads to crontab entries accumulating |
| 21:32.03 | jhutchins_wk | Tramp: You mean all of them running at the same time? |
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| 21:32.08 | Tramp | yes |
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| 21:32.22 | sliddjur | so */60 * * * * would also be a bad choice? |
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| 21:32.43 | jhutchins_wk | sliddjur: That would run every 60 hours. |
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| 21:33.12 | sliddjur | jhutchins_wk, its been running every 60 min on my server.. :O |
| 21:33.15 | Tramp | no. it's equivalent to 0 |
| 21:33.29 | jhutchins_wk | Ah, my bad then. |
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| 21:33.33 | dorphalsig | Hello, Im trying to setup a tape drive under squeeze with kernel 3.2, but when I run stinit I get errorno 5. Can't open tape device /dev/nst0. And I have no idea whats wrong |
| 21:33.46 | jhutchins_wk | Tramp: You sure? */60 == 60? |
| 21:33.53 | Tramp | because it expands to 0-59/60, and only 0 has no modulo for that |
| 21:33.59 | Tramp | */60 = 0 |
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| 21:36.53 | Tramp | ... but not because of a modulo-calculation (as I thought) but because at the first value it's always executed and then at all times <max which which are in the range and fit first+n*step |
| 21:37.06 | jhutchins_wk | 60 is not mentioned in the manpage. |
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| 21:37.13 | Tramp | which is none other for 0-59/60 |
| 21:37.52 | sliddjur | jhutchins_wk, every */60th minute |
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| 21:37.56 | MestreLion | what would be the best channel for support on making a simple, debuild-friendly Makefile ? |
| 21:37.57 | Tramp | jhutchins_wk: "following a range with '/<number>'" - number can be any number |
| 21:37.58 | sliddjur | starting at minute 0? |
| 21:38.21 | Tramp | jhutchins_wk: but every number ><max> for that range has the same effect |
| 21:38.45 | jhutchins_wk | MestreLion: Did you find the nmg? |
| 21:38.49 | Tramp | i.e. running only at the first value of range |
| 21:38.52 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: so long as running make; make install; will do the right thing and obey DESTDIR, you're fine. |
| 21:39.33 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: see dh_auto_make and dh_auto_install for more details on how to make a package build system DTRT. |
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| 21:39.37 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: make and make install are working fine, but one of the steps in debuild is giving me this error: dh_usrlocal: debian/wavegain/usr/local/bin/wavegain is not a directory |
| 21:40.08 | jhutchins_wk | Interesting, the strings are new to me. @hourly. |
| 21:40.27 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: first off, packages shouldn't be installing things to /usr/local/bin; secondly, that sure sounds like you've called install with the wrong options |
| 21:40.31 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: "wavegain" is actually not a directory, it's the project executable... why does dh_usrlocal think it is a dir? |
| 21:41.13 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: isn't it up to debuild to replace the default /usr/local prefix with /usr ? |
| 21:41.44 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: it's up to debian/rules to do so. If you're using debhelper or cdbs, it sets DESTDIR appropriately |
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| 21:42.36 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: I'm using the default debian/rules created by dh_make... which just calls dh "$@" |
| 21:42.59 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: yes, so it's passing DESTDIR to the makefile, and your makefile isn't obeying it |
| 21:43.14 | MestreLion | and it is setting DESTDIR to ./debian/<packagename> |
| 21:44.28 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: right, so the Makefile should then install to debian/package/usr/foo, not /usr/local. |
| 21:44.41 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: current Makefile is this (very simple, manually created): http://sprunge.us/AIEb?makefile |
| 21:44.42 | jhutchins_wk | Interesting. It appears that something in the xfce/xscreensaver is causing the GPU to reset, which is eventually causing the system to lock up. |
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| 21:44.54 | jhutchins_wk | WHere does one configure the screensaver in xfce? |
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| 21:46.33 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: I don't get it... the default prefix for software is /usr/local , not /usr. Why should the Makefile be edited for Debian? |
| 21:46.43 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: the default prefix is actually /usr |
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| 21:46.52 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: but you don't have to edit it; you can just override it. |
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| 21:47.24 | dondelelcaro | add an override_dh_auto_build: \n dh_auto_build prefix=/usr\n stanza to debian/rules |
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| 21:48.29 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: this is my first Makefile... I'm not using autotools because I think it is overkill, but I'm trying to "mimic" its guidelines. Whenever one runs ./configure && make && make install, it installs to /usr/local, correct? |
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| 21:49.25 | roe_ | how do I copy an ISO to a bootable flash drive? |
| 21:49.37 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: yes, but ./configure accepts options to set prefix. |
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| 21:50.00 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: which debhelper uses |
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| 21:50.06 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: ohh |
| 21:50.33 | dondelelcaro | along with other important things, like mandir, infodir, includedir, sysconfdir, etc. |
| 21:51.02 | dondelelcaro | so it's perfectly ok not to do all of that, but you then have to override the values set in the makefile |
| 21:51.22 | dondelelcaro | which is what the override_dh_auto_build: bit does |
| 21:52.01 | MestreLion | ok, so I must either create a simple ./configure that accepts --prefix and change makefile, OR add the dh_auto_build override, correct? |
| 21:52.20 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: right. I'd personally just do the latter, since this is such a simple makefile |
| 21:52.53 | MestreLion | btw, did you see the Makefile? is it "Debian-friendly" enough? |
| 21:53.15 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: it looks fine to me |
| 21:53.29 | dondelelcaro | though I'd personally never use -rm -f .... |
| 21:53.29 | MestreLion | thank you, thank you dondelelcaro |
| 21:53.50 | MestreLion | the minus before rm is enough? |
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| 21:54.08 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: http://git.donarmstrong.com/?p=lilypond.git;a=blob;f=debian/rules;h=fa4981a5ed2e5dca8c0e1020c8290dda36eedd01;hb=ab96cc6e646efad668fef1202f80e2eeb6c7e137 if you want a more complex example of a debian/rules file with overrides. |
| 21:54.12 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: no, just use rm -f |
| 21:54.12 | jhutchins_wk | roe_: The recommended method for the Debian installer iso's is cat <file> > /dev/<device> |
| 21:54.20 | dondelelcaro | if rm -f fails, you generally want to know about it |
| 21:54.29 | jhutchins_wk | roe_: An alternaitve is to use dd instead of cat. |
| 21:54.34 | roe_ | jhutchins_wk, I tried using dd, but not go |
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| 21:54.53 | dondelelcaro | ignoring the exit code from makefile rules is generally wrong |
| 21:55.11 | dondelelcaro | (even though that very example is given in the make manual) |
| 21:55.11 | jhutchins_wk | roe_: Then use cat. Proper dd format would be dd if=<file> of=/dev/<device> |
| 21:55.21 | roe_ | correcft |
| 21:55.25 | roe_ | that's what I did |
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| 21:56.31 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_wk: yeah, the most useful one is @reboot; the rest, not so useful |
| 21:56.50 | jhutchins_wk | roe_: Since that is demonstrably functional, clearly something about what you did wasn't right. Did you get any response? |
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| 21:57.01 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot for the observations |
| 21:57.05 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: np |
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| 21:57.42 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: feel free to ask such questions here, but if you don't get answers, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net is the canonical place to ask questions about Debian packaging for Debian. |
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| 21:58.35 | dorphalsig | Hello, Im trying to setup a tape drive under squeeze with kernel 3.2, but when I run stinit I get errorno 5. Can't open tape device /dev/nst0. And I have no idea whats wrong |
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| 22:00.51 | jhutchins_wk | dorphalsig: You may not have that tape device, or it may not be writable by the user that is trying to open it. |
| 22:01.17 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: Ok, so, here it goes: debuild is also complaining that the Makefile itself is not in original source (true), and recomends me to use dpkg-source --commit to create it as a patch. Is this the recommended way to integrate a Makefile in a project that doesn't have one? |
| 22:02.06 | jhutchins_wk | dorphalsig: I've gotta run, but google returns good results for "linux tape drive howto" |
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| 22:03.25 | MestreLion | Or, being it "the" Makefile, is there a more "special" way to include it besides being a generic patches/add_makefile.patch ? |
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| 22:06.28 | confusid | What is the best way to find what wifi card I have in my laptop? ifconfig does not show it. dmesg the way to go? |
| 22:06.43 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
| 22:06.47 | Sm0ke0ut | lspci / dmidecode should be more verbose |
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| 22:08.10 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: the ideal method is for the upstream project to distribute it |
| 22:08.18 | confusid | network controller: intel corporation device 008a |
| 22:08.34 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: but yes, we tend to recommend that packages separate Debian-specific changes in small documented bits |
| 22:08.58 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: I know... but since this is a windows project I'm porting, they couldn't care less about a Makefile at all |
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| 22:09.05 | sliddjur | I put this script in my init.d http://pastebin.com/yTArhmXw .. chown to root:root and chmod ugo+x but it still only outputs startup of script. this is in our class and it might be specific to ubuntu? |
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| 22:13.42 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: it's still a good idea to get it upstream even if upstream doesn't use it... but whatever works |
| 22:13.58 | dondelelcaro | MestreLion: I'd at least send it there, and not worry about it if they didn't take it |
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| 22:15.24 | MestreLion | dondelelcaro: I may try... it used to be in their old versions as Makefile.linux and Makefile.debian. But this latest .zip "tarball" I've found has none, so I'm creating one from scratch using the old ones as reference |
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| 22:49.14 | dorphalsig | Hello, Im trying to setup a tape drive under squeeze with kernel 3.2, but when I run stinit I get errorno 5. Can't open tape device /dev/nst0. I also try to do tar -tzf /dev/sd0 and I get an IO error. I have no idea whats wrong , can anybody help me? |
| 22:49.30 | abrotman | do the devices exist? |
| 22:49.56 | dorphalsig | abrotman: yes |
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| 22:50.21 | dorphalsig | crw-rw---- 1 root tape 9, 0 Oct 2 15:06 st0 |
| 22:50.59 | frankko | have anyone tried to build twin on debian? |
| 22:51.09 | frankko | twin the ncurses windowmanager |
| 22:51.33 | abrotman | dorphalsig: st0 is not sd0 ? |
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| 22:52.30 | dorphalsig | no idea |
| 22:52.51 | abrotman | dorphalsig: i haven't used tape in a bit, but i remember the devices being /dev/st0 and /dev/nst0 |
| 22:53.32 | dorphalsig | abrotman: typo sorry I meant it to read st0 |
| 22:53.32 | abrotman | dorphalsig: have you looked through dmesg to ensure it's enabled? have you tried loading the module for the tape devices? |
| 22:53.52 | nsadmin | st0 will rewind after operation |
| 22:53.55 | dorphalsig | when I do lsscsi I get: |
| 22:54.09 | confusid | I'm not finding the firmwware for my wifi. intel centrino wirless - n1030 |
| 22:54.15 | confusid | Any ideas if it is supported? |
| 22:54.22 | dorphalsig | [3:0:3:0] tape BNCHMARK DLT1 5538 /dev/st0 |
| 22:54.51 | nsadmin | confusid, how many lines is lspci -nn | grep -i new |
| 22:55.01 | nsadmin | err net, not "new" |
| 22:55.18 | confusid | 2 |
| 22:55.24 | abrotman | dorphalsig: and you run the commands as root ? |
| 22:55.33 | nsadmin | so you have another device too? like an eth? |
| 22:55.34 | dorphalsig | abrotman: yes I did |
| 22:55.39 | confusid | the tealtek nic that I have the firmware install for and the network controller intel corporation device |
| 22:55.49 | abrotman | dorphalsig: have you tried using 'mt' at all ? |
| 22:55.57 | confusid | if I use ifconfig I have eth0 and lo only |
| 22:56.07 | nsadmin | howbout ifconfig -a? |
| 22:56.19 | confusid | eth0 and lo only |
| 22:56.30 | nsadmin | ok, so driver not present... |
| 22:56.46 | confusid | I know it is a centrino only cause I looked at what it was called before removing windows off of it |
| 22:57.05 | sney | confusid: what is the output of lspci -nn | grep -i net |
| 22:57.08 | abrotman | confusid: squeeze or wheezy? |
| 22:57.09 | confusid | looking at http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and I do not see a driver but googling others have it working |
| 22:57.20 | confusid | newest squeeze |
| 22:57.22 | nsadmin | need your pciid for that device, look at those two lines from lspci and you'll see like ]1233:abce |
| 22:57.33 | abrotman | confusid: you likely need a 3.2 kernel and the firmware from backports.debian.org |
| 22:57.49 | nsadmin | err [1234:abcd |
| 22:57.56 | dorphalsig | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/XS0hfikY here's the output of mt and of the tar |
| 22:58.41 | confusid | porta:~# lspci -nn | grep net |
| 22:58.41 | confusid | 05:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL 8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 05) |
| 22:58.53 | abrotman | dorphalsig: uhm .. what are you taring to the device? |
| 22:59.09 | dorphalsig | just trying to see whats there |
| 22:59.11 | confusid | would it be the 10ec:8136 ?? |
| 22:59.22 | nsadmin | I think that;s your eth |
| 22:59.35 | nsadmin | but look at the other line |
| 22:59.42 | confusid | the first line is the eth0 wired nic |
| 22:59.51 | abrotman | confusid: is there a second line ? |
| 22:59.56 | nsadmin | ok, so the second line |
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| 23:00.06 | sney | the centrino wireless pci id will start with 8086: |
| 23:00.07 | confusid | yes there are 2 lines |
| 23:00.07 | abrotman | dorphalsig: do you know if there's anything on the tape ? |
| 23:00.20 | nsadmin | and the pciid from the second line is? |
| 23:00.34 | abrotman | dorphalsig: FWIW, i used dump/restore for quite a long time, seemed to work well |
| 23:00.34 | dorphalsig | abrotman: its got a label and says its some backup of some computers |
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| 23:01.11 | confusid | if i use lspci -nn i see the wifi one and it is 8086:008a |
| 23:01.18 | confusid | 09:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:008a] (rev 34) |
| 23:01.26 | dorphalsig | abrotman: I'm a complete newbie to this tape stuff. I just read myself a how to |
| 23:01.30 | confusid | ak.. |
| 23:02.00 | nsadmin | , pciid 8086:008a |
| 23:02.01 | judd | [8086:008a] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1030 [Rainbow Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_generic' in squeeze. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:008a |
| 23:02.01 | ShervinAra | hi, How to enable Two finger scrolling on Lenovo Thinkpad Z460 in Debian squeeze 64 bit |
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| 23:02.29 | abrotman | !tell ShervinAra about synaptics |
| 23:02.45 | sney | ,pciid 8086:008a --release squeeze-backports |
| 23:02.46 | judd | [8086:008a] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1030 [Rainbow Peak]' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in squeeze-backports. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:008a http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi |
| 23:02.47 | abrotman | confusid: you're going ot need the 3.2 kernel and the firmware from backports.debian.org, like i said 10 minutes ago |
| 23:02.50 | dorphalsig | abrotman: I just want to see whats there |
| 23:02.58 | abrotman | dorphalsig: but you don't know how it was created? |
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| 23:03.18 | confusid | abrotman: could you send me to a link to read on how to do this? and thank you |
| 23:03.20 | dorphalsig | abrotman: No idea. It was some years ago and I wasnt here. |
| 23:03.23 | abrotman | !tell confusid about bpo |
| 23:03.31 | nsadmin | sney, cool :) |
| 23:03.33 | abrotman | dorphalsig: do you actually need what's on there, or just curious ? |
| 23:04.14 | dorphalsig | abrotman: Just curious. What I really want to do is test if the damned thing is working and how do I use it |
| 23:04.34 | dorphalsig | abrotman: because we're starting to do some long-term backups |
| 23:04.50 | ShervinAra | abrotman: how to fix this, i dont know synaptic. plz help me |
| 23:04.56 | nsadmin | dorphalsig, you need at least the st module |
| 23:05.39 | confusid | abrotman: would I ever need contrib non-free with that repo? |
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| 23:06.00 | abrotman | confusid: you'd need the non-free for the firmware |
| 23:06.03 | dorphalsig | nsadmin: I am seeing the tape when I do lsscsi... isnt that telling me everything is peachy driver-wise? |
| 23:06.17 | abrotman | dorphalsig: try using dump/restore, it's a good way for beginners |
| 23:06.21 | nsadmin | nope, that's just a bus scanm |
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| 23:06.36 | confusid | abrotman: ty |
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| 23:09.28 | abrotman | dorphalsig: i haven't used it in awhile .. dump -t /dev/st0 /boot/ .. for example .. you should read the man page though |
| 23:10.08 | ShervinAra | somebody give me an answer? |
| 23:10.14 | nsadmin | 43 |
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| 23:10.26 | abrotman | ShervinAra: read the wiki, it has the exact document you need |
| 23:10.37 | nsadmin | I thought you got an answer... what else do you need? |
| 23:11.12 | nsadmin | ShervinAra, you should have gotten a privmsg from dpkg |
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| 23:11.52 | dorphalsig | abrotman: thanks! Will read |
| 23:12.49 | nsadmin | dorphalsig, how many lines is lsmod | grep st |
| 23:13.31 | dorphalsig | nsadmin: 6, why? |
| 23:13.35 | ShervinAra | tnxs |
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| 23:14.09 | nsadmin | dorphalsig, any just indicate "st"? |
| 23:14.26 | dorphalsig | yes |
| 23:14.27 | dorphalsig | one |
| 23:14.32 | abrotman | he already determined it works |
| 23:14.37 | confusid | abrotman: I'm guessing the first one is what I need? linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 - Header files for Linux 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 23:14.40 | confusid | linux-headers-3.2.0-0.bpo.3-rt-amd64 - Header files for Linux 3.2.0-0.bpo.3-rt-amd64 |
| 23:14.46 | dorphalsig | abrotman: I did? |
| 23:14.46 | nsadmin | abrotman ohok |
| 23:15.18 | nsadmin | dorphalsig, scsi tapes all talk the same way... st should do it |
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| 23:15.36 | abrotman | dorphalsig: the tape physically works |
| 23:15.50 | abrotman | confusid: you want a linux-image, not headers |
| 23:16.22 | dorphalsig | abrotman: Yes. But how do I know if its properly installed |
| 23:16.24 | confusid | abrotman: use the one without rt in it? |
| 23:16.33 | abrotman | confusid: what is your current u |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | confusid: what is your current 'uname -r' ? |
| 23:16.47 | confusid | porta:~# uname -a |
| 23:16.48 | confusid | Linux porta 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 10:07:46 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:16.53 | abrotman | dorphalsig: this is why i suggested you use dump/restore |
| 23:17.08 | abrotman | confusid: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 23:17.14 | abrotman | confusid: aptitude -t squeeze-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:17.20 | confusid | abrotman: ty!!! |
| 23:17.48 | nsadmin | confusid, after that you have to reboot to get the new kernel running |
| 23:18.09 | confusid | nsadmin: will do! |
| 23:18.25 | nsadmin | the acceptance test there, uname -r says 3.2.something |
| 23:18.53 | confusid | I have been using apt-get so using aptitude over apt-get is ok? |
| 23:19.12 | abrotman | either is fine |
| 23:19.53 | confusid | abrotman: to keep the system in good shape should I stay with one method on installing? |
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| 23:21.55 | abrotman | confusid: use whichever you know better |
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| 23:32.43 | homecable | whats a /home/user dir chmoded to ? |
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| 23:34.00 | LtL | homecable: 755 |
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| 23:34.52 | LtL | homecable: that's default by the way] |
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| 23:43.00 | Kvothe_ | Hi, there's any deniable encryption filesystem, what it's not: truecrypt. And there's not too old? |
| 23:43.45 | confusid | abrotman: It is up and working!!! Thank you and to the others for the help!!! |
| 23:43.50 | abrotman | confusid: enjoy! |
| 23:44.01 | abrotman | Kvothe_: deniable ? |
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| 23:44.14 | Kvothe_ | abrotman, google |
| 23:45.06 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 23:49.04 | stonerfish | rubberhose |
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| 23:51.31 | nsadmin | confusid, good on ya! |
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| 23:55.21 | Kvothe_ | stonerfish, it's outdated |
| 23:56.56 | stonerfish | I have never used it. The name is great. |
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| 23:57.56 | abrotman | Kvothe_: try ##linux |
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| 23:58.16 | Kvothe_ | thanks. abramart |
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| 23:58.34 | abrotman | he gets all the credit |