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| 00:04.45 | dario | nomadFaust: are you serious? apt-get should be /usr/bin/apt-get |
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| 00:05.48 | nomadFaust | dario: the partition wasn't loaded :) |
| 00:06.44 | nomadFaust | dario: I enter mount -a but /usr is still empty |
| 00:07.09 | nomadFaust | dario: how do I mount all the partitions in a root shell |
| 00:07.37 | dario | nomadFaust: mount -a mounts all partitions mentioned in /etc/fstab |
| 00:07.46 | nomadFaust | dario: at the end of the grub kernel line I had to add: init=/bin/sh |
| 00:08.07 | dario | nomadFaust: why is that? |
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| 00:08.30 | nomadFaust | dario: Debian gets stuck at mounting fuse control filesystem |
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| 00:08.48 | nomadFaust | dario: and fstab is not then culprit |
| 00:09.18 | dario | hhm |
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| 00:09.49 | dario | so is anything in dmesg about partitions that couldn't be mounted? |
| 00:10.02 | nomadFaust | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.19 | dario | what happens if you explicitly mount your /usr partition? |
| 00:11.04 | nomadFaust | I have already an empty /usr in the system |
| 00:11.27 | nomadFaust | And also an existing /home |
| 00:11.40 | nomadFaust | Oh yeah |
| 00:11.45 | nomadFaust | You're right |
| 00:11.59 | nomadFaust | dario: I'll try mounting them one by one |
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| 00:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, must have been something with wicd... just ran wpa_supplicant alone... that authenticated fine, but gave me not net without further configinstalled gnomes nm and it got it without problems |
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| 00:57.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | so \o/ for network at home |
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| 01:03.27 | WallFace | Anyone ever use greyhound bus in their life? |
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| 01:03.47 | gnarface | WallFace: offtopic |
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| 01:04.31 | WallFace | so |
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| 01:05.27 | MrPockets | WallFace, no only have I used a Greyhound, but they were running Debian on the PCs in the ticketing terminal! |
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| 01:05.41 | MrPockets | i shitchyou not. |
| 01:05.50 | WallFace | WORD?!? |
| 01:05.52 | WallFace | lol |
| 01:06.01 | mooglenorph | Hi. I just got a wacom tablet, and plugged it in. I see it in xinput, and using my finger on it works fine but not the pen. I'm on debian squeeze. |
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| 01:06.21 | gnarface | !wacom |
| 01:06.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html |
| 01:06.52 | gnarface | damn is that even the right path? |
| 01:06.59 | gnarface | it doesn't look like it |
| 01:07.44 | gnarface | mooglenorph: make sure you have xserver-xorg-input-wacom installed and the appropriate corresponding config entry (it may add that for you) |
| 01:08.05 | mooglenorph | gnarface: I've got that package installed, I think I'm lacking the config entry. |
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| 01:22.24 | mooglenorph | No, I do have the default config in my X11 path: /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d contains 20-wacom.conf |
| 01:23.03 | mooglenorph | Which looks like it should set up the tablet to work? But the pen doesn't work, only my finger. The light on the tablet lights up too when I put the pen on it, so I don't think the hardware is an issue. |
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| 01:25.42 | qak | well, i'm happy to see that suspend and hibernate both work well with my new squeeze install... but, anyone know why suspend appears in the menu on the gdm login screen, but hibernate does not? |
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| 01:26.32 | qak | MrPockets: way to bring the subject back on topic. and ... sweet! :D |
| 01:27.41 | gnarface | mooglenorph: did you read the man page? i'm not familiar with them myself |
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| 01:30.12 | mooglenorph | gnarface: I looked through the man page, it is mostly customizations to tablet behavior. |
| 01:30.32 | mooglenorph | gnarface: My problem is more basic: I'm not getting any events when I cat the device that xinput says is the pen |
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| 01:30.44 | mooglenorph | But I *do* get events when I cat the device for the "finger" |
| 01:31.14 | gnarface | mooglenorph: i got nothing then, sorry |
| 01:31.58 | mooglenorph | gnarface: thanks for taking a look :-) |
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| 01:39.41 | MestreLion | I'm trying to create a debian package, and the only upstream "manual" is http://cloud.github.com/downloads/MestreLion/wavegain/WaveGainManual.htm . I want to convert this to a man page. What format should I pick? XML, SGML, g/nroff ? Which whill be easier to convert to? |
| 01:41.56 | MestreLion | Any directions or suggestions for convertion tools would be highly appreciated |
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| 02:02.29 | Ghormoon | hi guys, I'm dumb and I'm not able to google up where to set default $PATH for gnome :-/ I'm able to set it for console, but it's different eg. in terminator which runs in gnome :-/ |
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| 02:05.58 | qak | Ghormoon: lots of opportunities to set $PATH between boot up and launching a terminal in your X session. perhaps ~/.bashrc is where you want to put your stuff? |
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| 02:06.24 | jaequery | hi |
| 02:06.32 | Ghormoon | I've been editing /etc/profile so i thought there's something like that for x11 too |
| 02:06.37 | jaequery | how can i increase net.nf_conntrack_max ? w/o rebooting the server? i'm on debian |
| 02:06.52 | Ghormoon | at least there should be some place where that default setting comes from :) |
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| 02:09.28 | BW^- | if i install Debian on a USB memory stick (as to run as ordinary installation), should I use fdisk on the usb memory disk first somehow? |
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| 02:09.52 | qak | jaequery: you can do `echo $newlimit > /proc/sys/net/nf_conntrack_max` (check that that file exists - it varies) |
| 02:10.03 | benben159 | BW^ format it with ext3 first |
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| 02:10.55 | qak | jaequery: that won't stick between reboots, but you can put that key in your /etc/sysctl.conf or /etc/sysctl.d/ |
| 02:11.06 | BW^- | benben159: so just, /dev/[the usb stick device main/root] , make an ext3 of that? |
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| 02:11.57 | qak | Ghormoon: a quick google gives me this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/etc-profile-v-s-etc-bashrc-273992/ |
| 02:12.24 | Ghormoon | so it has to be in bashrc, ok :) |
| 02:13.05 | qak | Ghormoon: note the article refers to /etc/bashrc - one of many places where $PATH can be modified |
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| 02:14.22 | Ghormoon | now i've got it in ~/.bashrc but i think it won't do much difference, right? :) |
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| 02:14.59 | qak | Ghormoon: you can do `. ~/.bashrc` from your running terminal, or just start a new one and that file will get sourced next time ... |
| 02:15.15 | qak | Ghormoon: that's one advantage over, say ~/.bash_login |
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| 02:16.39 | Ghormoon | :) well, this works, but i;ve got two more problems :) one is that i'm not able to change font in terminator (i've found that it uses ~/.config/terminator/config) but creating that and setting it there doesn;t work :( ( ut obviously it reads it, it stops complaining that it's not there :)) |
| 02:16.44 | qak | today i learned "ice weasel" comes from M. Groening ... huh. thanks /. |
| 02:18.13 | Ghormoon | another thing is that i'd like to speed up loggin in (it's slow even locally, it waits quite long after givin username, dunno why, and it's even worse through ssh) |
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| 02:18.30 | qak | Ghormoon: that I don't know, but it could be that this terminator app you speak of won't use the setting until you've logged out and back in ... or maybe send sighup to the parent if you're lucky |
| 02:18.56 | Ghormoon | i may try rebooting, but i did relog |
| 02:20.25 | BW^- | how do I skip the partitioning step of the installer? |
| 02:20.33 | BW^- | it blocks the puter |
| 02:20.58 | Ghormoon | even reboot did not help :( |
| 02:21.07 | BW^- | and, i want to install on a memory stick that does not have a partition table |
| 02:21.43 | qak | ducks |
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| 02:26.39 | Ghormoon | ha, font finally set :) |
| 02:27.34 | Ghormoon | now only to speed up the login (disabling UseDNS did not help :( ) |
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| 02:52.35 | s3a | What is the search algorithm in gnote called? |
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| 02:53.04 | simonlnu | ask-and-run strikes again |
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| 02:54.59 | s3a | If somebody answered, please copy paste what you said. |
| 02:55.16 | Dan39 | "simonlnu | ask-and-run strikes again " |
| 02:55.20 | Dan39 | laughs |
| 02:55.37 | simonlnu | hehe |
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| 02:57.35 | simonlnu | i'd ask #gnome people on their network, or check the source |
| 02:57.43 | simonlnu | irc.gnome.org |
| 02:58.33 | boudiccas | i'm trying to setup clamav checkign for 'claws-mail', and i've run dpkg-reconfigure clamav-base and then restarted service clamav-freshclam, but claws mail is checking for clamd running, and not finding it. how do i start clamd please? |
| 02:59.48 | LtL | boudiccas: it should be in /etc/init.d/ |
| 03:00.18 | boudiccas | k, thanks |
| 03:00.29 | LtL | boudiccas: sure :) |
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| 03:07.44 | boudiccas | hmm, no clamd just clamav-freshclam, and when i read through that i cant see 'clamd' anywhere mentioned |
| 03:09.01 | simonlnu | freshclam only checks and fetches updates for the db. nothing else. |
| 03:09.28 | simonlnu | (and distro updates for that) |
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| 03:10.06 | simonlnu | you want clamav-daemon to set up claws-mail with it (there's a client too) |
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| 03:10.49 | simonlnu | <tab>clam\nclambc clamconf clamd clamdscan clamdtop clamscan |
| 03:12.54 | boudiccas | simonlnu, k, i think. i'll try it |
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| 03:14.11 | simonlnu | clamav-freshclam - anti-virus utility for Unix - virus database update utility |
| 03:14.52 | simonlnu | clamav - anti-virus utility for Unix - command-line interface (etc.) |
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| 03:16.50 | boudiccas | simonlnu, thanks, i hadnt installed clamav-daemon, installed it an dit autostarted clamd |
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| 03:17.27 | simonlnu | ok :) |
| 03:17.32 | simonlnu | yw |
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| 03:43.02 | qak | flash works but vimeo shows black boxes for all videos. no idea what's missing |
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| 03:43.21 | qak | (this is in iceweasel on squeeze, fwiw) |
| 03:43.44 | buu2 | Hey, would someone mind giving me a quick walkthrough for installing a tp-link (tg-3468) ethernet card on my debian squeeze install? |
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| 03:44.00 | Dan39 | plug it in, profit? |
| 03:44.12 | break19 | isnt vimeo using html5? |
| 03:44.26 | buu2 | Dan39: I did =[ |
| 03:44.38 | buu2 | It's not showing up on ifconfig |
| 03:45.27 | qak | break19: page info shows an object called moogaloop.swf on the page, i assumed that was the player |
| 03:46.26 | qak | if they do use html5, they may do some pre-detection of support ... and that could just be what their devs are targeting |
| 03:47.42 | break19 | 2 yrs ago, vimeo had an html5 player.. so I just kinda figured they'd made it the default by now.. but apparently not.. |
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| 03:49.13 | qak | huh. perhaps they just wanted to show solidarity with the emerging spec.... idunno, was just poking around this fresh install wondering what i should put on it besides eclipse |
| 03:50.14 | Dan39 | buu2: whats dmesg say? |
| 03:50.25 | Dan39 | maybe you just need to bring the interface up |
| 03:51.28 | buu2 | Dan39: oh. |
| 03:51.30 | buu2 | wow |
| 03:51.42 | Dan39 | as in like... ifconfig eth1 up |
| 03:51.45 | Dan39 | haha |
| 03:51.46 | buu2 | Yeah |
| 03:51.55 | buu2 | I thought that down links would still show up in ifconfig |
| 03:52.15 | Dan39 | its worth a try... i forget if somethings they do or dont |
| 03:52.24 | Dan39 | read dmesg |
| 03:52.28 | buu2 | Dan39: It came up =p |
| 03:52.30 | Dan39 | really |
| 03:52.31 | buu2 | (When I said 'wow') |
| 03:52.33 | Dan39 | oo |
| 03:52.40 | qak | :P |
| 03:52.41 | Dan39 | well congratz :P |
| 03:52.46 | buu2 | Thanks |
| 03:53.09 | Dan39 | well it looks like im the one who came out feeling awsome in this situation :D |
| 03:53.22 | Dan39 | cuz damm i just replied with a joke at first, didnt think id be able to help <_< |
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| 03:58.43 | buu2 | haha |
| 03:58.48 | buu2 | Well, it was a good joke |
| 03:59.08 | buu2 | exit |
| 03:59.11 | buu2 | o.o |
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| 04:24.57 | s3a | simonlnu, I just saw your answer now. Thanks. |
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| 04:54.07 | alfieo | hello anyone online |
| 04:54.38 | alfieo | can anyone help me.. |
| 04:55.04 | sney | !anyone |
| 04:55.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 04:55.40 | alfieo | i need help about my APT how to re install it back.. i accidentally removed it |
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| 04:56.43 | sney | restore a backup |
| 04:56.51 | alfieo | how |
| 04:57.10 | sney | you don't keep backups of your system? ok |
| 04:57.21 | alfieo | how to restore backup |
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| 04:58.05 | sney | you follow the instructions on your backup software to return to the last time you saved a copy of everything. |
| 04:58.34 | sney | if you don't back up your system, then you have no backups to restore. what do you mean you removed apt anyway |
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| 05:04.40 | peterrooney | wonders what really happened - apt does not get removed without some extremely unpleasant and impossible-to-miss complaints |
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| 05:22.50 | mnathani | is the amd64 release good for use on Intel x86_64 |
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| 05:51.01 | funkadelic | mnathani: Yes, x86_64 is 64bit, and AMD64 is suitable for this processor. Hopefully you've found this answer already :) |
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| 06:24.02 | initself | what log tracks logins? |
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| 06:25.36 | Dan39 | /var/log/auth.log may be what your interested in |
| 06:26.41 | Dan39 | tho you can also like at the `w` command |
| 06:27.10 | Dan39 | theres a few |
| 06:27.13 | Dan39 | i forget witch |
| 06:27.14 | Dan39 | maybe last |
| 06:27.52 | mnathani | Thanks funkadelic |
| 06:28.05 | funkadelic | :) |
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| 06:28.45 | mnathani | Would you happen to know how to go about using puppet to automate compiling and installing latest Bind on Ubuntu, Debian and CentOS simultaneously |
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| 06:55.03 | belak | I have a question about the mirror status page... it says there's a blank error with the mirror I'm helping to run... is there a way to get rid of that? |
| 06:55.42 | linduxed | i can't ssh into my machine. while i'm not 100% sure about it, i believe that the /var partition has become full and that nothing can be logged. this has killed the ability to connect before for me |
| 06:55.57 | linduxed | is there a way to ssh in without logging stuff to /var? |
| 06:56.17 | linduxed | somehow tell the daemon on the other side to screw var for a minute? |
| 06:57.23 | belak | linduxed: are there any other services you could use to log in to clean up a little space? |
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| 06:58.26 | belak | linduxed: like, ftp for instance? |
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| 06:58.48 | linduxed | hmmm, yes i do have ftp on the thing |
| 06:59.00 | linduxed | but i'm not sure if the router before it has ports open for the thing |
| 06:59.03 | belak | Not sure if you can get to /var, but it may be worth a try |
| 06:59.05 | belak | Ah |
| 06:59.08 | linduxed | but that could be fixed remotely |
| 06:59.20 | linduxed | i can get to the router if that's necessary |
| 07:00.03 | linduxed | the only problem with that is that i think i set up the vsftpd so that you land in a chroot jail |
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| 07:00.17 | belak | Then that probably won't help |
| 07:00.25 | belak | You're sure it's because /var is full? |
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| 07:03.08 | linduxed | i've had this issue before |
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| 07:03.31 | linduxed | i can't confirm it's the same thing, since it's not responding to anything |
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| 07:03.35 | linduxed | not even pings |
| 07:03.54 | linduxed | but it has happened before, and the symptoms were pretty much this |
| 07:03.56 | linduxed | iirc |
| 07:03.57 | belak | linduxed: if it's behind a router, the pings might be dropped by te router |
| 07:04.00 | belak | *the |
| 07:04.13 | belak | Actually, that's rather likely |
| 07:04.14 | linduxed | normally they don't |
| 07:04.28 | linduxed | i ssh'd into it just some days ago |
| 07:04.45 | belak | Do you have physical access to the server? |
| 07:04.56 | linduxed | well, i can have |
| 07:05.18 | linduxed | i right now, i think i'm forced to get to the other side of town to get to it |
| 07:05.32 | linduxed | yeah, i think that's the easiest |
| 07:05.35 | linduxed | .... |
| 07:05.40 | linduxed | *sigh* |
| 07:05.43 | belak | As a last resort, physical access is a definite |
| 07:05.56 | linduxed | yeah, i'm off |
| 07:05.58 | linduxed | thx anyway |
| 07:06.05 | belak | linduxed: good luck. |
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| 07:06.54 | linduxed | yeah thx, i just might need a lot of it, when i get to it |
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| 07:07.04 | linduxed | i'm hoping for something as simple as "/var is full" |
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| 07:07.15 | linduxed | might be a fuckload worse |
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| 07:25.40 | Zoup | i need a way to remove all libraries that no packages depends on |
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| 07:27.02 | themill | Zoup: apt does that for you automatically |
| 07:28.21 | Zoup | themill: thanks for answer, i'm not sure, i was able to remove few libs which nothing was depending on, is it possible to somehow force a cleanup ? |
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| 07:33.11 | slikts | my route -n looks like this: http://pastebin.com/ZMGvi5Gd |
| 07:33.32 | slikts | however, it still tries to route everything through 192.168.1.1 |
| 07:33.59 | slikts | I want to use the usb0 gw as the default |
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| 07:34.48 | Zoup | slikts: ip route del default, route add default usb0 |
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| 07:37.27 | slikts | Zoup: I have that, but it doesn't work |
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| 07:37.51 | slikts | for instance, when I ping something, the reply is always from 192.168.11.1 |
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| 07:39.01 | slikts | it only works if eth0 is down |
| 07:39.21 | slikts | is at a loss |
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| 07:40.48 | slikts | sorry, I guess it was a dns problem |
| 07:41.01 | slikts | pinging by ip works |
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| 08:02.56 | petioan | have you signed the petition at "http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement"? I tried but it is down for maintenance. |
| 08:04.03 | themill | petioan: you'd do better asking in #fsf |
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| 08:04.47 | petioan | that is the signing part. it is not ok to make people here aware of what is going on? |
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| 08:05.14 | petioan | have u signed it? |
| 08:05.46 | themill | petioan: spam is unwelcome in #debian. This is for user support. |
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| 08:23.34 | KsM | Has anyone here tried systemd on wheezy? |
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| 08:36.29 | bjoernb | hi |
| 08:36.35 | bjoernb | in debian owncloud has mysql as dependency even if you can use it with postgresql instead of mysql. how is it possible to install owncloud without mysql? |
| 08:37.10 | themill | the debian packages are only set up for mysql or sqlite |
| 08:38.22 | bjoernb | so i have to be my own package maintainer if i want to have it running postgresql, without being installed sqlite or mysql? |
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| 08:39.11 | themill | well... there's a chance you could install owncloud-sqlite and then still configure owncloud to use pg (assuming the version in debian is actually able to do so) |
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| 08:42.26 | themill | ,bug 679028 |
| 08:42.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/679028 in owncloud (open): «owncloud: pgsql connection not usable»; severity: important; opened: 2012-06-25; last modified: 2012-06-28. |
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| 08:42.37 | themill | bjoernb: ^^ you should check the discussion there |
| 08:43.03 | bullgard4 | When I press in mc 3:4.8.3-5 »Ctrl++« a window "Select" appears. What is its purpose? I did not find it described in 'man mc'. |
| 08:46.08 | themill | it lets you select files and directories |
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| 08:50.06 | bjoernb | themill: i have a test instance of owncloud 4.07 debian installation with postgresql running. it works. but the instance has mysql as well installed because it is a dependency. |
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| 08:51.08 | themill | bjoernb: yeah, so you could either just use the -sqlite package instead as that is at least a less annoying pile to have kicking around on your machine. Or you could use equivs to fake out that dependency entirely, (/msg dpkg equivs) |
| 08:51.12 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 08:52.26 | themill | ,depends owncloud wheezy |
| 08:52.27 | judd | Package owncloud in wheezy/i386 -- depends: apache2 | httpd, php5, php5-gd, php-pear, php-xml-parser, php-crypt-blowfish, php-sabredav, php-mdb2, php-mdb2-schema, libphp-phpmailer, php-getid3 (>= 1.9.3-1), php5-curl, owncloud-mysql (= 4.0.4debian2-3) | owncloud-sqlite (= 4.0.4debian2-3), libjs-jquery (>= 1.7.2-1), libjs-jquery-ui, libjs-jquery-jplayer. |
| 08:52.50 | bjoernb | themill: thanks for the information about the bug report and equivs. i will have to think about it. |
| 08:52.54 | themill | Rienzilla: ^^ note that the dependency is "owncloud-mysql | owncloud-sqlite" so you can swap that if you'd rather |
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| 08:54.17 | Rienzilla | ?? |
| 08:54.21 | Sevet | bullgard4: search for 'plus' on the manpage, it is there ('this is used to select (tag) a group of files') |
| 08:54.30 | Rienzilla | oh never mind, the hmm was directed at something else |
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| 09:03.26 | carrera | Greetings Earthlings! :) |
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| 09:05.10 | fjfalcon | Hello all. I have some problem with apt-get and aptitude. After updating packages with update util i get error about "Encountered a section with no Package: header." After rm /var/lib/apt/lists and update error returns. Allready tryed to 2 mirrors - mirror.yandex.ru and ru.debian.org - is there any problem about it? |
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| 09:06.52 | ansgar | fjfalcon: Does apt say which file it is unhappy with? |
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| 09:08.49 | fjfalcon | ansgar: security.debian.org_dists_squeeze_updates_main_binary-amd64_Packages |
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| 09:13.07 | bullgard4 | Sevet: I found it. Thank you very much for your help. |
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| 09:15.21 | Dovid | what does this mean? hciconfig hci0 up |
| 09:15.24 | Dovid | oops |
| 09:15.26 | tarzeau | does anyone still use floppy disks ? |
| 09:15.29 | Dovid | pastebin.com/ktcwbp6v |
| 09:15.59 | boudiccas | !pastebin |
| 09:16.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 09:17.26 | frikinz | fjfalcon: the 3 debian servers look fine so I guess its a problem on your side. network or maybe disk |
| 09:18.28 | frikinz | fjfalcon: you could try manually downloading the Package file to see if it works . wget http://security.debian.org/dists/squeeze/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz ; gunzip Packages.gz |
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| 10:12.55 | brokencycle | Hi! |
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| 10:14.37 | brokencycle | I see log entries mentioning "ata3", and would like to find out which drive they relate to (eg. sda). |
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| 10:22.02 | joltcan | brokencycle: I usually do dmesg |less and look at that output to find ata3 |
| 10:22.13 | joltcan | But I'm oldschool, so there is probably better ways to do it |
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| 10:26.13 | brokencycle | joltan: I did this, but could not find any association between "ata3" and, say "sda" (or any other of my four drives). I'd really like to avoid pulling the wrong disk... ;} |
| 10:26.21 | joltcan | brokencycle: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/13960/how-to-map-atax-0-identifiers-in-kern-log-error-messages-to-actual-dev-sdy-devi |
| 10:28.24 | joltcan | brokencycle: not sure if /dev/disk/by-path can give you any hints |
| 10:30.11 | brokencycle | joltcan: the link from SE is very interesting, but under /dev/disk/by-path, I can't see anything that looks familiar. |
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| 10:33.12 | joltcan | brokencycle: awesome commandline is awesome! |
| 10:33.14 | joltcan | brokencycle: cat /var/log/dmesg | grep 'ata[0-9]\+.[0-9][0-9]: ATA-' | sed 's/^.*\] ata//' | sort -n | sed 's/:.*//' | awk ' { a="ata" $1; printf("%10s is /dev/sd%c\n", a, 96+NR); }'|less |
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| 10:35.09 | JimmyGulp | hey all, just wondering if any of you have installed debian onto an apple xserve? (intel based one) - any hints, tips, gotchas? |
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| 10:36.32 | nsadmin | JimmyGulp, I never have... but I do have one suggestion, which is back your hard drives up first |
| 10:36.42 | JimmyGulp | nsadmin: thanks :) |
| 10:37.13 | nsadmin | think of it this way... if you do and you do something wrong, you can restore |
| 10:37.19 | joltcan | JimmyGulp: from my understanding (without doing it) it seems like there is enough support for everything, so I think trying it is a good next step |
| 10:37.22 | nsadmin | it can be a load off your mind |
| 10:37.37 | joltcan | JimmyGulp: Please share your experience afterwards |
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| 10:39.56 | JimmyGulp | joltcan: will do :) just migrating the services it currently runs onto other machines before attempting anything :) |
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| 10:40.54 | joltcan | hehe, good man |
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| 10:42.10 | nsadmin | JimmyGulp, does it have a cd? what about trying a live cd? |
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| 10:42.31 | joltcan | Thats a very good idea, or just netboot a live cd |
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| 10:42.39 | joltcan | (I hate CD's :) |
| 10:43.11 | nsadmin | joltcan, yeah, or that :) |
| 10:44.03 | nsadmin | I just want for you that you can relax as much as possible |
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| 10:45.38 | JimmyGulp | nsadmin & joltcan - yeah, its got a cd/dvd drive, will try and live boot something :) |
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| 10:47.23 | icy | I'm trying to understand why aptitude wants to install apache when I install phpmyadmin. I already have packages installed that provide "httpd" and "php5" |
| 10:47.44 | icy | but somehow I fail to find the dependency that wants to pull in apache |
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| 10:51.00 | themill | icy: aptitude's "-W" option is useful at this stage -- perhaps put the entire output at paste.debian.net so we can all see it |
| 10:51.08 | peterrooney | judd: depends phpmyadmin |
| 10:51.09 | judd | Package phpmyadmin in squeeze/i386 -- depends: libapache2-mod-php5 | php5-cgi | php5, php5-mysql | php5-mysqli, php5-mcrypt, perl, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, dbconfig-common, ucf (>= 0.28), libjs-mootools (>= 1.2.4.0~debian1-1). |
| 10:51.15 | Rienzilla | meh |
| 10:51.36 | Rienzilla | why is it such a fight to use ntpd on systems that lack a cmos battery |
| 10:51.57 | themill | Rienzilla: fight? |
| 10:52.01 | Rienzilla | it seems impossible to guarantee at some point during the boot sequence that the time is set correctly |
| 10:52.13 | Rienzilla | if you also want to run ntpd afterwards, that is |
| 10:52.29 | boudiccas | Rienzilla, you should be using 'ntp', ntpd is deprecated now |
| 10:52.35 | themill | boudiccas: eh? |
| 10:52.46 | themill | Rienzilla: ntp can take any amount of time to sync |
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| 10:52.58 | Rienzilla | well, the isisue is the following |
| 10:53.31 | Rienzilla | in the default configuration, ntp will start up, and at some point (usually a few seconds after startup) will synch the clock |
| 10:53.33 | themill | Rienzilla: just means that you can't deterministically wait for it to sync before proceeding. (perhaps running ntpdate or rdate earlier in the boot process would be better to set the initial date; ntp afterwards to maintain clock discipline) |
| 10:53.46 | Rienzilla | exactly |
| 10:54.16 | Rienzilla | and since ntpdate is according to ntp's manpage to be deprecated, I should somehow run ntp twice, once with -q and once without |
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| 10:56.52 | themill | Rienzilla: yeah, you could do that I guess. Setting the time is always an issue on these boards though... you want early boot and networking to be occurring at some time other than 1970 too :( |
| 10:57.34 | icy | themill: http://paste.debian.net/196101/ |
| 10:57.58 | Rienzilla | well I cannot sync before I have basic networking |
| 10:58.19 | Rienzilla | but it is always a pain |
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| 10:59.28 | themill | icy: what packages do have installed for php5 and httpd? |
| 10:59.39 | icy | nginx and php5-fpm |
| 11:00.04 | themill | icy: you need to install the php5 package to |
| 11:00.05 | themill | o |
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| 11:00.31 | icy | that seems weird, php5-fpm already provides it |
| 11:00.38 | themill | no |
| 11:00.39 | icy | wouldn't I then also need to install httpd? |
| 11:00.46 | themill | ,provides php5-fpm |
| 11:00.47 | judd | No package named 'php5-fpm' was found in squeeze/i386. |
| 11:00.49 | themill | ,provides php5-fpm wheezy |
| 11:00.50 | judd | Package php5-fpm in wheezy/i386 provides: phpapi-20100525+lfs. |
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| 11:01.19 | themill | icy: php5 is a real package which you need to install to satisfy that dependency. httpd is a virtual package that is Provided by other packages |
| 11:02.07 | peterrooney | smells an ubuntu install |
| 11:02.17 | thewanderer1 | themill: not php5-common? |
| 11:02.30 | icy | themill: indeed, I assumed php5 was a virtual one |
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| 11:02.46 | Rienzilla | hmm |
| 11:02.48 | icy | peterrooney: smelled wrong |
| 11:02.54 | thewanderer1 | aha, so php5 is a metapackage. ok. |
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| 11:03.11 | nsadmin | -common usually just has supporting files |
| 11:03.12 | Rienzilla | Im wondering, wouldn't it be the best behaviour to not exit before time is synched, when -g is set for ntp? |
| 11:03.33 | icy | btw installing php5 installed really nothing at all, 0 bytes :) |
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| 11:03.49 | thewanderer1 | icy: doesn't matter :P |
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| 11:04.44 | themill | Rienzilla: see the -n option |
| 11:04.48 | icy | well at least it seemed to have solved my issue, even if I find it kinda odd. thanks a lot themill! |
| 11:05.26 | Rienzilla | -n does not fork at all I think |
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| 11:05.33 | themill | Rienzilla: that's what you need |
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| 11:06.11 | themill | icy: this is partly due to the new fpm package -- either every debian package that uses php needs to go through and add php5-fpm to that list of alternatives or you install the php5 metapackage. |
| 11:06.43 | Rienzilla | I don't think so. What I need as a workaround is first ntpd -g -q (which will also not fork, but will quit after synching), and then just ntpd. |
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| 11:06.56 | Rienzilla | but it seems the init script, or even ntp lacks an option to fork-after-synch |
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| 11:07.39 | themill | Rienzilla: you can just add that command to the init script yourself or add it as an extra case block to /etc/default/ntp |
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| 11:08.26 | Rienzilla | yeah I did. My comment was meant as a proposal to add that to the maintained init script |
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| 11:08.42 | qmr | you should all install mosh right now. so wonderful |
| 11:08.47 | Rienzilla | because I see no good reason why one would immediately fork if -g is set |
| 11:09.06 | themill | Rienzilla: sounds potentially useful. Perhaps make a nice looking patch for the init script and send it in as a wishlist bug :) |
| 11:09.16 | Rienzilla | yeah that was what I was thinking about |
| 11:09.32 | Rienzilla | I'll give it a try. Thanks |
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| 11:10.12 | themill | there will still be stuff that logs prior to that timewarp though. I'm forever getting logrotate complaining about ridiculous timestamps on log files that were created prior to sync :( |
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| 11:16.42 | brokencycle | joltcan: thanks a lot! |
| 11:17.58 | nsadmin | themill, is this something that happens when the time-of-day clock had to be resynced? |
| 11:21.39 | themill | nsadmin: lots of little arm boards don't have any internal clock. They turn on at some time in the last 40 years (depending on the board) and rely on you to set the time as early as you can |
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| 13:02.16 | nsadmin | confusid, it's a specific dir in the repos... what it means, is free software that is in support non-free software but that has no other purpose |
| 13:02.51 | boudiccas | i'm thinking of setting up a cron job to rsync daily /var to my backup drive, and exclude *.deb, but is there any other thing that i should exclude please? i'm thinking of what is the best practice. |
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| 13:04.16 | nsadmin | as you know /var is to keep data that varies as the system runs... |
| 13:04.22 | basic66 | How do I install lsof on Debian Wheezy? |
| 13:04.46 | nsadmin | you need to know the package lsof is in, then install that package |
| 13:04.49 | boudiccas | nsadmin, yes, but i want to keep the logs and certain databases in it, specifically that of vnstat |
| 13:05.03 | Phil-Work | basic66, apt-get install lsof |
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| 13:05.30 | basic66 | package lsof has no installation candidate |
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| 13:05.41 | nsadmin | boudiccas, would an INclude list make sense to you rather than exclude? |
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| 13:05.58 | basic66 | nsadmin>: and what package would that be? |
| 13:06.11 | themill | !show sources.list basic66 |
| 13:06.12 | dpkg | basic66: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 13:06.19 | boudiccas | nsadmin, possibly yes, although i've never done an 'include list' beforew, just exclude |
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| 13:07.11 | boudiccas | off to read the man rsync then |
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| 13:07.14 | nsadmin | boudiccas, it's up to you... the way you were describing it sounded to me more like include than exclude |
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| 13:08.06 | themill | boudiccas: you probably don't want quite a lot of crap that's in /var (/var/lib/apt/lists comes to mind). If you're not doing a full back up of everything on the machine, then /var/lib/dpkg/info isn't much use either |
| 13:08.47 | c0rnel | r128 fails in a funny way: http://fpaste.org/JxnN/ |
| 13:08.55 | boudiccas | themill, i just backup /home, /etc and now thinking about /var |
| 13:09.13 | themill | dpkg: tell boudiccas about things to backup |
| 13:09.24 | boudiccas | thanks |
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| 13:09.53 | themill | boudiccas: it's generally safer to grab too much than to wish you had grabbed more at some later date... |
| 13:10.15 | nsadmin | boudiccas, one thing to think about with the list of stuff you currently back up... is what would be the purpose of restoring each |
| 13:10.29 | basic66 | http://pastebin.com/RJ8n3n2r |
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| 13:10.58 | basic66 | This is my sources.list, sources.list.d is empty. |
| 13:11.05 | themill | basic66: have you run "apt-get update" recently? |
| 13:11.13 | boudiccas | themill, thats why i was thinking about backing up the whole of /var and just excluding certain things |
| 13:11.15 | basic66 | yes i have |
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| 13:11.34 | themill | basic66: (also, please don't use ftp.debian.org, use a closer mirror -- http.debian.net is a good choice) |
| 13:11.36 | basic66 | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade - upgraded everything |
| 13:11.58 | nsadmin | basic66, do you want to do a full (and possibly unexpected) upgrade when the next testing starts? |
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| 13:12.25 | abrotman | next testing starts ? |
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| 13:12.35 | themill | nsadmin: there's no upgrade to testing at release time |
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| 13:12.40 | boudiccas | nsadmin, /home is self evident and has been very useful in the past. i'm thinking of all the conf files in /etcthat have been changed since i started this wheezy setup, and now just wondering about what to backup and what to leave out of /var |
| 13:12.46 | confusid | nsadmin: should I use it if I have non-free on any repo? |
| 13:12.51 | Sevet | !tell basic66 about cdn.debian.net |
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| 13:13.34 | basic66 | nsadmin: Yes I do (so I'll automatically upgrade from wheezy to sid) |
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| 13:13.42 | Sevet | nsadmin: if you want to get wheezy at release time you want wheezy in your sources before the release, otherwise you'll upgrade to the new testing which'll be jessie |
| 13:13.49 | basic66 | I have replaced ftp.debian.org with http.debian.net |
| 13:13.58 | basic66 | Now how do I get lsof? |
| 13:14.06 | nsadmin | abrotman, when wheezy + 1 becomes testing (I'm leading to suggesting he use "wheezy" instead of "testing" in his sources.lsit |
| 13:14.16 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.22 | abrotman | nsadmin: then say that, don't make things up about "next testing starting" |
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| 13:14.35 | abrotman | !tell basic66 about apt-file |
| 13:14.44 | nsadmin | the only thing I made up is the phrase |
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| 13:14.57 | Bad_Dream | is this a support channel? |
| 13:15.03 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 13:15.06 | abrotman | maybe it's just your lack of understanding |
| 13:15.07 | themill | basic66: what's the output of "apt-cache policy lsof" |
| 13:15.08 | nsadmin | welcome to it |
| 13:15.18 | basic66 | nsadmin: no i don't use "wheezy" instead of testing please look at the pastebin ive just posted: http://pastebin.com/RJ8n3n2r |
| 13:15.21 | kawaiidesu | Hi... do I need cd-1 an cd-2 or just c-2 |
| 13:15.23 | Bad_Dream | awesome |
| 13:15.24 | kawaiidesu | cd-2* |
| 13:15.36 | abrotman | kawaiidesu: CD1 if you have broadband at the installation site |
| 13:15.41 | nsadmin | basic66, right. you use "testing" now |
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| 13:15.55 | kawaiidesu | I have wifi abrotman |
| 13:16.09 | themill | basic66: using "wheezy" instead of "testing" is normally a better plan. Saves you getting hit by the mess of new upgrades at the start of the next development cycle. |
| 13:16.22 | abrotman | kawaiidesu: that doesn't really say much about your ISP |
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| 13:16.46 | nsadmin | themill just said what I meant |
| 13:16.47 | kawaiidesu | It's a cheap isp, abrotman |
| 13:16.48 | Bad_Dream | im new to debian...installed debian xfce....and ive installed firefox because iceweasel was slow and crashing....in iceweasel and now in firefox as well i can get flash to work in youtube just fine but on other sites it wont load and nothing happens....also have flash aid installed and it works but to no avail |
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| 13:17.40 | abrotman | kawaiidesu: do you have broadband or not? |
| 13:17.42 | kawaiidesu | abrotman it's a small businiess |
| 13:17.50 | kawaiidesu | abrotman: how am I supposed to know? |
| 13:17.53 | Bad_Dream | ive searched for helped concerning flash and it seems to be a widespread problem with no real solution |
| 13:17.59 | nsadmin | Bad_Dream, see if mozilla.debian.net can help |
| 13:18.01 | themill | dpkg: tell Bad_Dream about mozilla.debian.net |
| 13:18.07 | Bad_Dream | i guess people just dont go to the sites where flash doesnt work |
| 13:18.27 | themill | Bad_Dream: also, how did you install flash? |
| 13:18.27 | Bad_Dream | ok going there |
| 13:18.48 | themill | Bad_Dream: sticking to the debian packages is usually better than random tarballs from mozilla |
| 13:19.16 | Bad_Dream | i installed it with flash aid a few times and then manually a few times and with flash aid again |
| 13:19.26 | kawaiidesu | abrotman any idea? |
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| 13:20.14 | kawaiidesu | Can I just get the CD-1 and the packages I need? |
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| 13:20.45 | kawaiidesu | Considering I can compile 'em myself..? |
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| 13:21.36 | Bad_Dream | im not using iceweasel....im not impressed with it at all |
| 13:21.43 | Bad_Dream | its worse than IE |
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| 13:21.58 | confusid | Bad_Drean I used this and flash works great in ice and firefox http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 13:21.59 | themill | Bad_Dream: it's the same as firefox... and you sitll have told us *how* you installed flash |
| 13:22.06 | basic66 | abrotman: so i've just installed apt-file, then ran apt-file update and now apt-file search lsof. it shows me a rather large list of packages, none of which is called lsof. i'm assuming that there is no package lsof in debian and i have to install another one but which one do i need to install?? |
| 13:22.16 | Bad_Dream | it is not the same as firefox |
| 13:22.31 | truexfan81 | themill: he did tell you how he installed it |
| 13:22.33 | themill | Bad_Dream: it is, with a different icon... |
| 13:22.37 | abrotman | basic66: apt-file search bin/lsof |
| 13:22.42 | truexfan81 | he used the flashaid plugin to install it |
| 13:22.55 | themill | truexfan81: oh.. wtf is flashaid? |
| 13:23.08 | themill | (and what's wrong with the debian packages... again) |
| 13:23.13 | Bad_Dream | its a plugin that installs flash for you |
| 13:23.15 | basic66 | apt-file search bin/lsof -> no result |
| 13:23.16 | truexfan81 | its a firefox plugin to make installing the latest flash easy on linux |
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| 13:23.25 | abrotman | oh jesus .. it's a plugin that removes "conflicting flash" plugins |
| 13:23.39 | themill | truexfan81: or you could just install the debian package... |
| 13:23.45 | tim_flatus | OK rhythmbox lastfm plugin now working. Although I had enabled he plugin I needed to instruct it to log back in to my account after the upgrade. Sort of d'oh, but it was non-obvious. |
| 13:23.45 | themill | basic66: what's the output of "apt-cache policy lsof" |
| 13:24.06 | truexfan81 | themill: he is running squeeze, everything is pretty old on there |
| 13:24.20 | Bad_Dream | i did install flah from terminal and it didnt work |
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| 13:24.51 | themill | truexfan81: iceweasel from mozilla.debian.net is version 15 and the flashplugin-nonfree installs the latest supported by adobe. You can stop with that "it's because it's old" nonsense now. |
| 13:25.02 | basic66 | http://pastebin.com/ekMwfcv1 |
| 13:25.12 | Bad_Dream | someone that has flash that works can they go to www.ebaumsworld.com and try to watch a video there please? |
| 13:25.12 | truexfan81 | haha ok |
| 13:25.20 | themill | Bad_Dream: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update"? |
| 13:25.25 | confusid | Bad_Dream: Did you add the non-free into repo? |
| 13:25.50 | themill | itym "contrib" |
| 13:25.52 | Bad_Dream | hmmm no i dont think i added non free to repo |
| 13:26.08 | Bad_Dream | i cant remeber now...i worked on it till 4 am |
| 13:26.18 | confusid | I'm watching the officer sucker punches woman on your link. |
| 13:26.30 | Bad_Dream | working no prob? |
| 13:26.49 | confusid | no problems |
| 13:26.56 | themill | Bad_Dream: come to us first rather than trying random things, potentially making a big mess and then not being able to remember what you did later. |
| 13:27.03 | Bad_Dream | getting output of aot-get update now |
| 13:27.12 | Bad_Dream | apt* |
| 13:27.19 | themill | basic66: can you pastebin the output of "apt-get update" |
| 13:27.24 | Bad_Dream | will have to switch pcs...be back on other one |
| 13:27.30 | themill | Bad_Dream: gah.. that ws for basic66 not you. don't worry |
| 13:27.46 | Bad_Dream | will switch pc anyways |
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| 13:29.16 | Bad_Dream-Xebian | ok |
| 13:29.20 | basic66 | http://pastebin.com/QUc0wwf3 |
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| 13:29.50 | themill | basic66: lsof is a linux tool. It doesn't exist for kfreebsd |
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| 13:30.17 | Bad_Dream-Xebian | flash works in youtube but not on ebaums...no plugin box or anything loads for the video |
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| 13:33.15 | truexfan81 | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer those instructions fixed my flash issues on buntu lol |
| 13:33.23 | confusid | Bad_Dream-Xebian: I'm guessing you have a firefox plugin for youtube installed? |
| 13:33.24 | truexfan81 | http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82822397/ |
| 13:33.29 | truexfan81 | that vid plays fine |
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| 13:33.50 | Bad_Dream-Xebian | confusid no i dont have any youtube plugin...i just go to youtube in firefox |
| 13:34.34 | truexfan81 | i stand corrected |
| 13:34.42 | truexfan81 | flash still crashes on justin.tv |
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| 13:35.25 | truexfan81 | flash just needs to hurry up and die |
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| 13:35.58 | Bad_Dream-Xebian | tried in iceape |
| 13:36.06 | Bad_Dream-Xebian | no loady |
| 13:37.09 | Bad_Dream-Xebian | all i do is watch funny videos and chat on irc |
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| 13:37.24 | basic66 | themill: Shouldn't there be an easy way to install lsof as it's such a basic tool? I'm thinking of Fedora's yum groupinstall base (which will install more, but yum install lsof works too)? I can't be the only one wanting to use lsof on Debian |
| 13:37.27 | Bad_Dream-Xebian | flash Y u no work? |
| 13:37.35 | confusid | http://www.killsometime.com/videos/9381/Worst-Babysitter-On-The-Planet ok that is messed up.. |
| 13:37.40 | basic66 | (btw my irc client keeps crashing so i might miss some messages) |
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| 13:38.10 | hipodilski | how how regularly is scripts in /etc/cron.d executed in Debian? |
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| 13:38.24 | Bad_Dream-Xebian | i guess ill just stick with ubuntu |
| 13:38.27 | themill | basic66: there isn't a way of installing a tool that doesn't exist for kfreebsh |
| 13:38.29 | themill | d |
| 13:38.52 | Phil-Work | hipodils1i, that dir holds cron files |
| 13:38.53 | themill | ,archs lsof --release wheezy |
| 13:38.54 | judd | Package lsof in wheezy: amd64 (4.86+dfsg-1), armel (4.86+dfsg-1), armhf (4.86+dfsg-1), i386 (4.86+dfsg-1), ia64 (4.86+dfsg-1), mips (4.86+dfsg-1), mipsel (4.86+dfsg-1), powerpc (4.86+dfsg-1), s390 (4.86+dfsg-1), s390x (4.86+dfsg-1), sparc (4.86+dfsg-1) |
| 13:38.57 | basic66 | themill: lsof doesn't exist for Debian/KBSD?? really |
| 13:39.01 | themill | basic66: ^^ |
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| 13:41.11 | truexfan81 | well /etc/adobe/mms.cfg EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=0 fixed my issue |
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| 13:42.04 | truexfan81 | would be nice if i could use the vdpau decoding tho |
| 13:42.13 | hipodilski | Phil-Work: I know I just don't know when is awstats executed |
| 13:42.25 | Phil-Work | hipodils1i, look in the file |
| 13:42.35 | Phil-Work | cron files define, per line, when the script is executed |
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| 13:45.51 | redwarriors27 | hi |
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| 14:00.37 | Bad_Dream- | does xebian squeeze come with an email program? |
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| 14:01.46 | redwarriors27 | pls help me |
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| 14:01.56 | Bad_Dream- | debian xfce |
| 14:02.08 | confusid | any recomendations for a torrent program? |
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| 14:02.52 | themill | Bad_Dream-: there are many email programs you could use... evolution, icedove, mutt, kmail, claws, ... |
| 14:03.12 | Bad_Dream- | but does it come with one? |
| 14:03.26 | themill | Bad_Dream-: it comes with whatever you choose to install |
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| 14:05.09 | confusid | I installed mutt but it is not showing on my menu in xfce :/ |
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| 14:06.39 | bullgard4 | mc > F2 > n speaks about "Inspect g'zipped newsbatch file". What is a »newsbatch file«? Is there another term for the same thing? |
| 14:07.11 | Bad_Dream- | confusid you go to menu and settings i think and theres something there called preffered application |
| 14:07.17 | Bad_Dream- | and you set it in there |
| 14:07.42 | thewanderer1 | eh, mutt is a console program... why would it show in a menu? |
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| 14:08.01 | Bad_Dream- | meh bloated pos 850 megs and no email program |
| 14:08.31 | simonlnu | shows here, or has |
| 14:08.33 | themill | Bad_Dream-: mutt is probably there... |
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| 14:08.59 | simonlnu | mc certainly does |
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| 14:09.22 | thewanderer1 | interesting, I see no menu entry for mutt on my GNOME system (granted, it's GNOME3, but still) |
| 14:09.40 | confusid | Got it :) |
| 14:09.49 | Bad_Dream- | guess they assume people dont use email.... |
| 14:09.52 | confusid | added a launcher and added the icon for it. |
| 14:10.07 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, is it in 'office'? |
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| 14:10.11 | bullgard4 | confusid: Did you have a look in Xfce-menu > Miscellaneous? |
| 14:10.17 | simonlnu | make sure you click the 'run in terminal' option |
| 14:10.29 | confusid | simonlnu: did!! |
| 14:10.38 | Scall | Are all external boxes for hard disks (like this: http://nilox.com/scheda/nilox/DH0003ER-SB.htm) compatible with Debian/Linux? Thanks in advance. |
| 14:10.53 | confusid | bullgard4: it did not add to the menu I had to manually add it .. also had to do the same for firefox I downloaded from mozilla's site. |
| 14:11.03 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: nope, I used the search feature and mutt was nowhere to be found :P |
| 14:11.38 | boudiccas | thewanderer1, on this xfce with gnome3 wheezy setupo i find it in 'office' |
| 14:11.46 | bullgard4 | confusid: I see. But my Iceweasel was seen in the menus automatically. |
| 14:11.59 | Scall | PS: sorry for my English, this is not my native language |
| 14:12.06 | confusid | bullgard4: not sure if it matters I'm using xfce |
| 14:12.10 | themill | mutt ships /usr/share/menu/mutt but many DEs ignore those entries |
| 14:12.21 | thewanderer1 | boudiccas: fascinating... |
| 14:12.24 | bullgard4 | confusid: I am using Xfce4 too. |
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| 14:12.34 | confusid | bullgard4: intersting.... |
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| 14:13.33 | bullgard4 | confusid: Sometimes it is worth to ask for advice in the #xfce channel. |
| 14:14.22 | confusid | They had me add with a launcher |
| 14:14.28 | confusid | firefox* |
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| 14:16.00 | bullgard4 | confusid: I don't know much about any Firefox <-> Iceweasel antagony there. |
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| 14:17.09 | colo-work | I need to stop update-grub from examining LVM LVs when running, because it detects Linux installations from there that should not be listed - how? |
| 14:17.35 | colo-work | (I'd be OK with a whitelist of blockdev names for it to examine/probe) |
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| 14:19.26 | boudiccas | running this command "/usr/bin/rsync -avz \ --include-from '/home/boztu/cron/include.txt' /media/backup/back/>>/home/boztu/cron/varbackup.txt 2>&1" I get this http://dpaste.com/809807/ . Where am i going wrong please? |
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| 14:22.07 | boudiccas | all that it transfers over is "include.txt" |
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| 14:22.44 | thewanderer1 | colo-work: and why is it a problem that they are listed? |
| 14:23.04 | confusid | bullgard4: I only downloaded it from mozilla to see if I could get it to work. It runs but does not populate in the menu (Start Menu ) |
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| 14:25.22 | jelly | boudiccas: missing = after --include-from |
| 14:25.50 | boudiccas | jellyah, right, thanks, another "Doh!" moment |
| 14:25.59 | colo-work | thewanderer1, the problem is that SOMETHING in os-prober blows up, and what happens ain't pretty: http://coloss.us.to/grublog.txt |
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| 14:26.49 | thewanderer1 | uh, okay. remove os-prober? :P |
| 14:27.44 | colo-work | hm, ok - I wasn't aware that it was optional ;) |
| 14:27.48 | colo-work | looks better now |
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| 14:30.49 | boudiccas | jelly, hmm, its still failing with the same error message. its almost as if its not reading include.txt |
| 14:31.24 | jelly | boudiccas: and your cmd line is now --include-from='/home/boztu/cron/include.txt' ? |
| 14:31.29 | jelly | s/is/has/ |
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| 14:31.52 | boudiccas | jelly, yes |
| 14:33.08 | needle | maybe it has no access to that file |
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| 14:34.36 | boudiccas | needle, its read-only for everyone but $user |
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| 14:37.31 | boudiccas | i've been running this comand "/usr/bin/rsync -avz \ --include-from='/home/boztu/cron/include.txt' /media/backup/back/>>/home/boztu/cron/varbackup.txt 2>&1" from within a small bash script with only this in it, but the command doesnt even work from the command line |
| 14:37.51 | themill | why is there a \ in it? |
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| 14:38.25 | boudiccas | themill, i copied the basic command line from a working backup script which had it in it |
| 14:38.32 | remote | boudiccas: doesn't work? |
| 14:38.40 | boudiccas | remote, no |
| 14:38.41 | themill | boudiccas: only if it was at the end of the line |
| 14:38.46 | remote | boudiccas: how does it not work, yo? |
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| 14:39.10 | boudiccas | remote, http://dpaste.com/809807/ |
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| 14:39.36 | themill | boudiccas: with that \ there, rsync thinks it should be looking for file " --include..." |
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| 14:40.00 | remote | boudiccas: it works |
| 14:40.04 | remote | themill: what are you talking about? |
| 14:40.06 | needle | boudiccas: themill has the point |
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| 14:40.18 | needle | why is there a / in the command line |
| 14:40.23 | jelly | a \ |
| 14:40.27 | needle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.35 | jelly | together, they \ |
| 14:40.43 | jelly | fails |
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| 14:40.55 | c0rnel | what's the recommended way to replace gdm with another desktop manager, and gnome with another DE? |
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| 14:41.11 | jelly | c0rnel: just install a different one |
| 14:41.24 | c0rnel | ok, thank you jelly |
| 14:41.43 | jelly | it will ask you to choose the default login manager at configuration time |
| 14:42.03 | c0rnel | what about replacing gnome with fluxbox or windowmaker? |
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| 14:42.12 | boudiccas | themill, even with the \ removed its still failing to run |
| 14:42.19 | themill | boudiccas: new paste? |
| 14:42.27 | themill | (command and ouptut) |
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| 14:42.46 | needle | boudiccas: just place that file in /tmp and iclude from there f.e |
| 14:43.09 | nezZarioz | Does anyone have any tutorials on (hopefully, maybe debian specific) linux/debian high performance tuning? |
| 14:43.23 | boudiccas | themill, okay, wait two please |
| 14:43.29 | nezZarioz | Having issues with apache2/mod_php5/debian handling a high number of connections .. |
| 14:43.41 | nezZarioz | I want to rule out the OS before I dig deeper |
| 14:43.48 | confusid | Is Sabmba the best choice to allow a folder to be shared, so files can be moved without a usb stick? |
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| 14:44.06 | nezZarioz | confusid: samba is the best choice to allow a folder to be shared over the network, yes |
| 14:44.08 | thewanderer1 | nezZarioz: http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html |
| 14:44.27 | nezZarioz | thewanderer1: i'll take a look, but am aware of the c10k problem |
| 14:44.48 | confusid | nezZarioz: ty! |
| 14:44.49 | thewanderer1 | hint: you don't want Apache with mod_php for high loads :P |
| 14:44.54 | needle | confusid: you can still use NFS instead of SMB/CIFS |
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| 14:45.03 | nezZarioz | we're doing about 1,000-2,000 active connections at any time although probably 1/3 of them are silent keepalive connections |
| 14:45.11 | boudiccas | themill, http://dpaste.com/809814/ |
| 14:45.22 | needle | if you have linux clients and want more Throughput than with CIFS |
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| 14:45.39 | nezZarioz | yeah, i'm going to look into nginx .. i've used it before but as i'm not extremely versed on it, i'm a little reluctant |
| 14:46.11 | themill | boudiccas: that command would not generate all that output |
| 14:46.47 | boudiccas | themill, no, its the whole of /home/boztu/cron/varbackup.xtx . the relevant bit is the last section |
| 14:46.57 | boudiccas | txt |
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| 14:48.02 | confusid | needle: it will be for moving personal files around at the house so spead is nice but a must. I've used Samba before but not the other 2. |
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| 14:49.19 | themill | boudiccas: you're not giving rsync a source directory |
| 14:49.53 | boudiccas | themill, they are in the include.txt file |
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| 14:50.06 | themill | boudiccas: include-file is a filter |
| 14:50.29 | boudiccas | themill, oh, i thought that was what it was going to copy |
| 14:51.29 | boudiccas | themill, thats why i did it as --include-from |
| 14:54.30 | qak | :q |
| 14:54.34 | qak | err ... |
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| 14:59.00 | boudiccas | themill, for some reason itading the 'include.txt' file, and therefore failing. the command is being run as user, and include.txt is read-only for everyone but user |
| 14:59.16 | boudiccas | *it not reading |
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| 15:01.11 | simonlnu | rsync [options] source/ dest/ |
| 15:02.08 | boudiccas | simonlnu, the source is in the include.txt file but its not seeming to rad it |
| 15:02.17 | boudiccas | read |
| 15:02.33 | themill | no. include.txt is a filter. |
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| 15:02.43 | simonlnu | like themill said, you need to include src/ anyway, it's a *filter*. it's not an actual src/ |
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| 15:03.17 | simonlnu | man rsync |
| 15:03.21 | bullgard4 | confusid: I see. I have not made special experiences in your case. |
| 15:03.27 | simonlnu | there's examples |
| 15:04.05 | boudiccas | simonlnu, so it wont read this 'include.txt' as the source then? http://dpaste.com/809807/ |
| 15:04.25 | themill | boudiccas: --include-from is not a source. it is a filter. you have to give rsync the source. |
| 15:04.42 | simonlnu | no, it won't. |
| 15:04.48 | boudiccas | themill, ah, right, thanks. back to the man page then |
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| 15:05.55 | simonlnu | think of it like a fancy cp |
| 15:07.08 | simonlnu | (to start with, but it's not, there's major differences) |
| 15:07.13 | KsM | Does anyone here use systemd with wheezy? |
| 15:07.25 | simonlnu | !anyone use |
| 15:07.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:07.38 | simonlnu | just ask the question |
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| 15:08.21 | KsM | Well it's more a general question, has anyone felt the difference in boot time / to install it do I just do `apt-get install systemd` ? |
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| 15:09.06 | simonlnu | i tried it a while ago. not really. yes and no. |
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| 15:09.29 | KsM | And well I guess, is there any possibility I might break my system by changing to it? |
| 15:09.50 | simonlnu | testing questions are better dealth in #debian-next (oftc network) |
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| 15:10.21 | simonlnu | to avoid breakage, you'll need to install the sysv compat package |
| 15:10.21 | KsM | ok |
| 15:10.30 | thewanderer1 | KsM: of course. systemd is not the primary init solution, so breakage is to be expected :) |
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| 15:11.04 | KsM | but, isn't not being initlike how systemd is supposed to be faster? |
| 15:11.14 | KsM | erm |
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| 15:11.16 | KsM | sysvlike |
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| 15:11.23 | simonlnu | there's still subtleties involved with it though. |
| 15:11.42 | simonlnu | ask the main dev that ;) |
| 15:11.42 | Ergo^ | hi, whats the best way to install uwsgi under debian ? |
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| 15:16.32 | simonlnu | Ergo^: from the repos |
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| 15:16.46 | Ergo^ | simonlnu, its only in sid |
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| 15:16.55 | Ergo^ | i guess i would have to backoport it ... |
| 15:16.59 | simonlnu | (expecting another answer?) backport |
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| 15:17.53 | PhoenixSTF | hey guys, where can i download debian 6.0.3 release? |
| 15:17.58 | simonlnu | chck backports.debian.org if it exists there |
| 15:18.04 | simonlnu | Ergo^: ^^^ |
| 15:18.09 | simonlnu | check* |
| 15:18.10 | needle | KsM: you can still use init-ng instead with parallel starting processes |
| 15:18.23 | PhoenixSTF | simonlnu, ty |
| 15:18.24 | needle | instead of systemd |
| 15:18.37 | simonlnu | PhoenixSTF: that wasn't to you |
| 15:18.38 | KsM | needle: I have no idea what that is |
| 15:18.42 | needle | KsM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initng |
| 15:18.48 | Sevet | why 6.0.3? |
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| 15:19.09 | needle | KsM: think of it as a systemd replacement |
| 15:19.17 | Ecco | Hi everyone. Quick question: how comes the "ntop" package isn't present on ppc but is present on x86? |
| 15:19.25 | Ecco | It should be pretty much platform agnostic |
| 15:19.26 | simonlnu | wonders why anyone would want 6.0.3 |
| 15:19.39 | Sevet | wonders that too |
| 15:19.40 | PhoenixSTF | simonlnu, ohh ok :) |
| 15:19.41 | Sevet | try http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/6.0.3/ |
| 15:19.47 | thewanderer1 | Ecco: maybe it doesn't build on ppc? |
| 15:19.53 | KsM | wonders how many replacements to sysvinit, and replacements to those replacements are there going to me |
| 15:19.55 | Ecco | it's python |
| 15:20.00 | PhoenixSTF | Sevet, cause of the iso boot, it does not work after that version |
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| 15:20.23 | Ecco | from nTop's website "it has been written in a portable way in order to virtually run on every Unix platform" |
| 15:20.33 | Sevet | that doesn't mean every processor |
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| 15:20.41 | thewanderer1 | exactly... |
| 15:20.43 | babilen | PhoenixSTF: Huh? Could you provide more details please -- Point releases after 6.0.3 should behave identical |
| 15:20.50 | thewanderer1 | maybe it has some issues with endianness? |
| 15:20.53 | simonlnu | platform, not processor |
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| 15:21.14 | simonlnu | (or arch) |
| 15:21.16 | PhoenixSTF | Sevet, babilen, I have a grub2 boot pen with lots of isos, and debian 6.0.6 has issue detecting the cd-rom |
| 15:21.39 | PhoenixSTF | Sevet, babilen, one has to manually mount the iso etc etc etc |
| 15:21.44 | Sevet | although it's on ppc on rhel, so it's more likely just an omission |
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| 15:22.34 | Sevet | ,v ntop --arch=powerpc |
| 15:22.35 | judd | Package: ntop on powerpc -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.99.3+ndpi5517+dfsg1-1; wheezy: 3:4.99.3+ndpi5517+dfsg1-1 |
| 15:22.45 | simonlnu | ppc isn't a second class arch. it should be built. why it hasn't is another question. |
| 15:22.53 | simonlnu | it has... |
| 15:24.23 | p8m | Ecco: ntop isn't in stable, testing and unstable have ntop packages for powerpc |
| 15:24.31 | Ecco | well |
| 15:24.45 | Ecco | so it's unstable on powerpc but stable on x86 ? |
| 15:24.48 | Sevet | ^^ squeeze-backports has a stable version |
| 15:24.59 | Ecco | Indeed, I was just figuring that out |
| 15:25.01 | Ecco | super weird |
| 15:25.07 | Ecco | since I'm actually on squeeze |
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| 15:25.21 | Sevet | it probably means there was some build issue with the squeeze version that was fixed in wheezy and backported to squeeze |
| 15:25.34 | Ecco | Oh |
| 15:25.45 | Ecco | Indeed |
| 15:25.47 | Ecco | ok :-) |
| 15:25.55 | p8m | Ecco: I don't think squeeze has ntop |
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| 15:26.15 | simonlnu | it doesn't. not main squeeze (pardon the pun) |
| 15:26.21 | p8m | Ecco: Maybe you installed it from backports? |
| 15:26.21 | Ecco | well |
| 15:26.24 | Ecco | oh |
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| 15:26.27 | Ecco | oh wait |
| 15:26.35 | Ecco | indeeeeeed |
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| 15:26.42 | kwork | testing and unstable have ntop |
| 15:26.48 | Ecco | The x86 machine I was testing it on has backpots |
| 15:26.54 | Ecco | backports in its sources |
| 15:26.58 | Ecco | allright, thanks :-) |
| 15:27.21 | simonlnu | ,v ntop --arch=i386 |
| 15:27.23 | judd | Package: ntop on i386 -- lenny: 3:3.3-11+b2; squeeze-backports: 3:4.0.3+dfsg1-3~bpo60+1; sid: 3:4.99.3+ndpi5517+dfsg1-1; wheezy: 3:4.99.3+ndpi5517+dfsg1-1 |
| 15:28.10 | simonlnu | yup, what p8m said. only repo to get it from... |
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| 15:30.41 | frikinz | Is there something to do to get flash sound working (eg in youtube) on amd64 ? long time I didn't install a 64bit arch. I'm running a "standard" kde desktop. |
| 15:31.36 | babilen | frikinz: I use pulseaudio and use a /etc/asound.conf like http://paste.debian.net/196188/ |
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| 15:34.20 | frikinz | thanks babilen, I will try. I seem to only have libpulse0 and libpulse-mainloop-glib0 |
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| 15:35.41 | qak | what's the best way to use redirection with sudo? when i do, eg. `sudo echo "foo" >/root/file.txt` I get permission denied |
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| 15:36.30 | frikinz | babilen: it works! :) thanks a lot |
| 15:36.31 | thewanderer1 | qak: tee? |
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| 15:38.13 | dsdeiz | what does ~bpo mean in packages? or is it just an indication that that package is a backport? |
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| 15:38.43 | qak | thewanderer1: i suppose that would work in this particular case, but I was asking more generally, not just stdout |
| 15:38.57 | qak | eg stderr, stdin, pipes |
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| 15:39.26 | frikinz | sudo echo $(id) |
| 15:39.34 | thewanderer1 | qak: hmm, call bash from sudo? |
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| 15:40.03 | qak | thewanderer1: `sudo bash "string of commands"` ? |
| 15:40.22 | thewanderer1 | qak: there was a flag like bash -c or bash -e maybe, look in the manpage |
| 15:40.39 | qak | thewanderer1: ok, thanks for the suggestion; i think that's what i was looking for |
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| 15:40.50 | thewanderer1 | this is not very different from "sudo su" anyway, besides non-interactivity |
| 15:41.26 | qak | not very different, but different. i can do `sudo su -` but often i don't want to |
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| 15:46.21 | themill | qak: decide if you really need to run the command as root -- if you don't then run it as your normal user and then use sudotee for the redirection. |
| 15:46.21 | boudiccas | my rsync problems have been solved and they're now working well http://dpaste.com/809838/ shows the full command and the tail end of the succesful output. thanks to themill and simonlnu for their guidance |
| 15:46.47 | themill | !congratulate boudiccas |
| 15:46.47 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies boudiccas, you did it! |
| 15:47.01 | boudiccas | themill, thanks :) |
| 15:47.27 | qak | themill: i was asking specifically about redirection as root; deciding that I really needed to run the command as root was a prerequisite |
| 15:47.42 | simonlnu | boudiccas: cool |
| 15:48.34 | themill | qak: echo doesn't often need to be run as root |
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| 15:49.06 | qak | themill: "echo" doesn't, but the file I'm redirecting *into* in my example, is only writeable by root |
| 15:49.16 | themill | qak: echo is not doing that though, your shell is. |
| 15:49.27 | qak | ... which brings me to my question |
| 15:50.01 | themill | (so «echo foo | sudo tee /etc/quux» would be a better separation of what needs privileges and what doesn't) |
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| 15:50.46 | qak | themill, thewanderer1 thank you both |
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| 16:04.23 | tonytraductor | I'm trying to install squeeze on a machine here, and the installer isn't taking any input from the keyboard. This is on a second hdd in this machine. The other hdd already has squeeze, and I've been using the same keyboard on it for over a year (logitech/usb). Just the installer (dvd) is not taking input |
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| 16:05.37 | tonytraductor | hmmm...oddly, another, cheap Inland keyboard seems to be working....weird that the logitch is not (since I've been using it on a squeeze system for well over a year). |
| 16:05.45 | tonytraductor | anyway, problem solved... |
| 16:07.18 | tonytraductor | the 1st hdd is wonky. installing a new hdd. I have an extra here I might install something else on (testing? LMDE? Arch? Trsquel? undecided...) |
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| 16:12.56 | JordiGH | How does Gnome halt/suspend without apparently requiring root privileges? I'd like to halt from bash without requiring root. |
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| 16:13.28 | needle | JordiGH: use sudo like "sudo halt" |
| 16:13.38 | needle | that's the easiest way |
| 16:13.45 | JordiGH | needle: Without apparently requiring root privileges. I don't have to type a password to halt from Gnome. |
| 16:13.53 | needle | yes |
| 16:13.56 | JordiGH | No. |
| 16:13.59 | needle | man sudo |
| 16:14.04 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 16:14.16 | JordiGH | Whereof one does not know, thereof one remains silent. |
| 16:14.26 | JordiGH | Wittgenstein, I believe. |
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| 16:17.21 | themill | JordiGH: gnome will be making some dbus call or other to get privileges. dbus-monitor would show you what it is if google can't |
| 16:17.43 | JordiGH | Ah, I thought something might be setuid. |
| 16:17.45 | themill | JordiGH: (you could arrange a NOPASSWD entry in sudoers as an alternative) |
| 16:17.51 | JordiGH | But Debian is really paranoid about setuid, isn't it? |
| 16:18.10 | confusid | using apt-get --purge remove and dpkg --purge on a package does not remove the config files. how may I go about removing the config files without manualy doing so? |
| 16:18.34 | themill | confusid: which files from which package? |
| 16:18.41 | confusid | samba |
| 16:18.47 | confusid | I messed up and need to reinstall |
| 16:19.01 | themill | that only answers half of the question |
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| 16:19.43 | confusid | hmm.. /etc/samba/smb.conf to start |
| 16:20.31 | themill | confusid: that's not a file that is owned by any package. It's created by one of the maintainer scripts. (samba-common) |
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| 16:21.00 | confusid | if I manualy delete it then it will be recreated after a reinstall? |
| 16:21.48 | themill | have you purged that package? |
| 16:22.00 | confusid | yes with apt-get and dpkg |
| 16:22.11 | themill | does not believe that |
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| 16:22.45 | confusid | I used apt-get --purge remove samba and dpkg --purge samba |
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| 16:22.57 | confusid | in that order |
| 16:23.16 | themill | except that's not the right package, is it? |
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| 16:23.50 | confusid | o0 I used apt-get install samba to install it.. unless the name changes after install |
| 16:24.06 | confusid | $sudo apt-get install samba |
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| 16:27.02 | gury | isn't mediathekview 3.0 migrated to testing? would be great since the actual testing version is seriously bugged |
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| 16:27.18 | confusid | dpkg -L samba says it is not installed.. I manually removed the file. |
| 16:27.18 | dpkg | No packages found matching samba says it is not installed.. I manually removed the file. |
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| 16:27.47 | themill | confusid: as I said earlier, samba-common is responsible for that configuration file |
| 16:27.49 | confusid | bot? |
| 16:27.50 | Ghormoon | hi guys :) is it possible to open gnome keyboard layout setting from terminal? I'm logged in through ssh (x11 passthrough) and I need to set keyboard layouts :) |
| 16:28.21 | confusid | themill: does that mean there is a seperate install? |
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| 16:33.05 | _TheAvatar | Hello - you can use from=, command= etc in authorized_keys for ssh. How about if you use password login, can I force some 'command=' there for a particular user? |
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| 16:34.46 | valerie_ | how can I print screen in KDE4 - Wheezy ? - If I press prt scr or alt +prtscrn ofr ctrl +prt screen nothing happens - can anyone help ? |
| 16:34.51 | valerie_ | !printscreen |
| 16:35.24 | valerie_ | Print scren - I mean capture screen |
| 16:35.31 | confusid | themill: ok.. just figured out what you ment. ty |
| 16:35.57 | themill | valerie_: do you have "ksnapshot" installed? |
| 16:36.01 | themill | confusid: good good |
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| 16:36.43 | valerie_ | themill yes the ksnapshot is installed - do I need to do something about it ? |
| 16:36.47 | PigDude | I have a postfix/dovecot setup and I wanted to work procmail into this, but I don't know what's doing the job right now |
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| 16:37.03 | Ghormoon | is it possible, that some keyboard layouts are not installed? setxkbmap us is ok, setxkbmap cs says "Error loading new keyboard description " |
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| 16:38.41 | confusid | ugh.. I broke more things.. |
| 16:39.03 | danm_408 | I'm running debian testing and I can't get an init script to load at boot anymore |
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| 16:39.15 | danm_408 | update-rc.d doesn't work |
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| 16:39.55 | danm_408 | it was initially working, I stopped it to try another piece of software, now I have to manually invoke it |
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| 16:40.42 | themill | valerie_: In System Settings → Shortcuts → Global → khotkeys -> PrintScreen |
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| 16:41.19 | themill | valerie_: that should be the default... but it's worth checking. (Note Alt+PrintScreen and Ctrl+PrintScreen will already stick stuff on your clipboard) |
| 16:43.02 | danm_408 | anyone? |
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| 16:43.33 | geggam | ick themill ... import foo.png and click the window you want |
| 16:43.43 | geggam | assuming imagemagik is installed |
| 16:44.03 | themill | geggam: depends on what you want. and ksnapshot actually does a lot more than that |
| 16:44.04 | danm_408 | geggam: can you help me out man? |
| 16:45.00 | geggam | a gui is more powerful than the cli ? .. have to see that to believe it |
| 16:45.02 | themill | danm_408: you need to explain "doesn't work". Output of commands at paste.debian.net always helps |
| 16:45.47 | danm_408 | themill: network-manager |
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| 16:46.52 | themill | geggam: seriously? ok... select an arbitrary region of a window with import(1) and save it over sftp:// or smb://... I'll give you a 10 min head start to work out the correct crop geometry. |
| 16:47.22 | danm_408 | I was using it, out of the box it worked, decided to try connman, update-rc.d network-manager disable, update-rc.d connman enable, changed my mind, got rid of connman, update-rc.d network-manager enable, says no runlevel symlinks and it won't add it to start at runlevels 2-5, I have to invoke network-manager manually |
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| 16:48.43 | geggam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:48.54 | geggam | :~ |
| 16:48.58 | themill | geggam: sorry wrong crop for that window. |
| 16:49.00 | geggam | fat fingered |
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| 16:49.27 | geggam | that window is the entire screen... move it around |
| 16:49.33 | geggam | dont be a douche |
| 16:49.49 | TheWarden | Hi, can one use a pipe to redirect the results of ls to a file? |
| 16:49.57 | geggam | ls > file |
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| 16:50.17 | themill | geggam: you're the one claiming that gui could never be more powerful than the cli... |
| 16:50.20 | TheWarden | from my experience the only way to do this is with the use of >. Is > or < considered a pipe then along with | ? |
| 16:50.53 | geggam | why pipe TheWarden |
| 16:51.01 | themill | TheWarden: what are you trying to achieve here? |
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| 16:51.11 | TheWarden | geggam: I'm not, asking this for someone cause of an assignment they were given and it makes no sense to me and heck I've being play with Linux since the mid 90's and never heard of using a pipe to direct results of ls to a file. |
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| 16:51.52 | themill | TheWarden: "ls | cat - > foo"? sure the don't mean a named pipe? |
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| 16:52.18 | Ghormoon | only think which comes to my mind is ls | tee file >/dev/null, but why? |
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| 16:53.49 | TheWarden | one sec getting exact wording here. |
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| 16:56.50 | needle | why not ls > file |
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| 16:57.41 | damacus | > < | are all io redirection, pipe is specifically output to input |
| 16:58.19 | TheWarden | yeah that's what I thought... oh man how long does it take someone to connect online for chat... argh. |
| 16:58.24 | damacus | so if you must use a pipe, then ls | cat > file makes sense, but its silly because the fastest means to that end is indeed ls > file |
| 16:59.06 | TheWarden | yeah I would entirely agree but you know sometimes these assignments are supposedly there to teach and are not always piratical :-). |
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| 16:59.22 | damacus | indeed |
| 16:59.41 | needle | is like the "cat file | grep content" people do insted of "grep content file" |
| 16:59.50 | needle | :/ |
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| 17:00.28 | themill | TheWarden: would a named pipe be likely? |
| 17:00.29 | damacus | i'll sometimes do cat file | grep if i'm doing a lot of checks against a file, since if i want to change the first element, i can ^w a few times rather than having to re-enter the file name |
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| 17:10.42 | Sevet | is there a way to get dpkg-buildpackage to build i386 and amd64 packages at the same time? (builds a mix of _$arch and _all packages) |
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| 17:12.36 | ZaSeal | helo boiz |
| 17:12.38 | ZaSeal | o/ |
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| 17:13.41 | Pimpinella | hi |
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| 17:19.17 | Pimpinella | i'm running a unstable amd64 system. now i want to install a proprietary applicaton, that is actually i386. There is a amd64 package, but it depends on ia32-libs, which doesn't seem to work in sid anymore, so i installed the i386 package using multiarch, which apt-get did without problems |
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| 17:20.04 | Pimpinella | now the stuff seems to be linked against squeeze, which brings more problems |
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| 17:20.25 | thewanderer1 | well, guess what - that's the app vendor's fault! |
| 17:20.30 | thewanderer1 | get a chroot. |
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| 17:21.09 | Sevet | !tell Pimpinella about debootstrap |
| 17:21.22 | Pimpinella | can't i add squeeze to my sources and install the missing stuff manually? |
| 17:21.32 | Sevet | no |
| 17:21.37 | Sevet | baaaaaaaaaaad idea to mix distributions |
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| 17:22.13 | Sevet | especially when testing has multiarch and squeeze does not, all the library packages would install to the wrong place |
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| 17:22.25 | digdilem | You could add every distro source and every version and arch to source.list and let apt fight it out? |
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| 17:22.48 | digdilem | (Do not take the above seriously) |
| 17:23.06 | Pimpinella | i'll get myself a chroot then |
| 17:23.09 | Pimpinella | ty |
| 17:23.17 | TheWarden | argh okay guys here is the question that I finally got the exact wording "List the contents of the directory in long format, directing the output through a pipe to a new file called contents.txt" |
| 17:23.54 | TheWarden | long format ls -l | cat > contents.txt ? stupid way to do it to me. |
| 17:24.18 | TheWarden | that would be a named pipe |
| 17:24.24 | willmore | Off the top of anyones head, do you remember the /proc or /sys entry that you can echo '1' into to trace every block write/dirty? |
| 17:24.58 | damacus | TheWarden: a named pipe is something else entirely |
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| 17:25.10 | themill | TheWarden: I can only assume that the author is misusing the terminology "pipe" |
| 17:25.13 | Sevet | a named pipe is a fifo on disk |
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| 17:25.34 | willmore | themill << this |
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| 17:25.47 | TheWarden | so you think it would be more of ls -l > contents.txt ? |
| 17:26.03 | damacus | themill: i wonder.. either the question author isnt careful with words, or they're asking for a demonstration of understanding the difference |
| 17:26.06 | Sevet | i think that's what he was after |
| 17:26.06 | damacus | ambiguous. |
| 17:26.18 | Sevet | he's thought 'pipe to a file' but made the wording awkward |
| 17:26.47 | damacus | when he shouldve been thinking redirect to a file |
| 17:26.57 | damacus | pipe imho implies stdout to stdin |
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| 17:27.13 | Sevet | damacus: i agree |
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| 17:27.35 | willmore | Yeah, redirects don't use pipes, the subprocess is just launched with the 'contents.txt' opened and attached to the file descriptor for stdout. |
| 17:28.06 | Sevet | plenty of people still call that a pipe though, albeit wrongly |
| 17:28.17 | damacus | indeed |
| 17:28.20 | willmore | or else the old stty trick wouldn't work "stty -option </dev/ttyx |
| 17:28.24 | thewanderer1 | it's a stream |
| 17:28.36 | willmore | thewanderer1, hey, don't go all C++ on us. |
| 17:28.48 | TheWarden | mmm |
| 17:28.55 | damacus | TheWarden: basically you're screwed ;) |
| 17:29.01 | damacus | 50/50 |
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| 17:29.16 | damacus | i'd go for the literal answer of ls -l | cat > file |
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| 17:29.55 | Sevet | yea... it's not wrong, it's 100% valid and shows you know the difference between | and > |
| 17:30.01 | damacus | or get clarification from the author / proctor |
| 17:30.19 | willmore | Hey, just do both! say "ls -l >contents.txt" or "mkfifo /tmp/myfifo; cat </tmp/myfifo >content.txt& ls -la >/tmp/myfifo" |
| 17:30.42 | willmore | or what damascus said. |
| 17:30.44 | Sevet | all named pipes are pipes but not all pipes are named pipes |
| 17:30.48 | Sevet | they never asked for named pipes ;) |
| 17:31.03 | damacus | if he wants long form you could always turn in a C program with readdir et al ;) |
| 17:31.30 | Sevet | why c? x86 assembler! |
| 17:31.33 | willmore | Sevet, "<TheWarden> that would be a named pipe" |
| 17:31.51 | Sevet | <damacus> TheWarden: a named pipe is something else entirely |
| 17:32.12 | ZaSeal | hey can sum1 help |
| 17:32.16 | willmore | Sevet, yes, but TheWarden is the one asking the question and is the only one who can clarify it. |
| 17:32.19 | Sevet | (it was an anonymous pipe) |
| 17:32.22 | ZaSeal | i isntall debian 7 beta 2 |
| 17:32.24 | willmore | Is sum1 here? |
| 17:32.37 | Sevet | he was talking about the pipe in 'ls -l | cat' |
| 17:32.41 | ZaSeal | but it didnt find my other OSes |
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| 17:33.01 | ZaSeal | y? |
| 17:33.10 | boudiccas | ZaSeal, you've forgotten, its 'wheezy', and you were just testing the beta 2 installer |
| 17:33.15 | p8m | Lisp has to deal with sum1: (+ num) -> num |
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| 17:33.31 | ZaSeal | what |
| 17:33.40 | TheWarden | hard for me to clarify when this is what is being provided. There is nothing more to add as that is the exact word of the assignment sadly. So glad I'm not doing the assignment as I would be so annoying to no attention to detail. in the tech world is a must if you ask me. |
| 17:33.46 | ZaSeal | it downloaded a lot of files from the net |
| 17:33.53 | ZaSeal | i got the net installer iso |
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| 17:34.41 | TheWarden | Thanks for the clarification folks even though the question wasn't well worded :-). |
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| 17:41.55 | PumpkinPie | Hello there |
| 17:42.47 | DrooidKun | oh hello |
| 17:42.59 | PumpkinPie | I have a /30 and then another /25 was routed to my existing /30. How do I route my /25 so I can use them? |
| 17:44.00 | ZaSeal | whatwat iz mean? |
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| 17:45.08 | ZaSeal | PumpkinPie: i tri halp |
| 17:45.17 | ZaSeal | wat iz mean /30 |
| 17:45.18 | neuro_sys_ | Doesn't iptables package provide an init script? |
| 17:45.27 | ZaSeal | yes |
| 17:45.40 | neuro_sys_ | root@codedumpster:~# apt-file list iptables | grep init |
| 17:45.45 | neuro_sys_ | iptables-persistent: /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent |
| 17:45.52 | neuro_sys_ | But /etc/init.d/iptables-persistent isn't there. |
| 17:45.58 | neuro_sys_ | How can I verify the integrity of a package? |
| 17:46.11 | ZaSeal | debian doesnt use those iptables |
| 17:46.15 | neuro_sys_ | Ah. |
| 17:46.26 | geggam | bash / awk tip for the day... find memory used by apache |
| 17:46.27 | ZaSeal | its not like redhat |
| 17:46.32 | geggam | for a in ` ps aux | grep apache | awk '{print $2}'` ; do pmap -x $a | grep total ;done | awk '{sum +=$3} ; END {print sum} ' |
| 17:46.43 | ZaSeal | geggam: install fastcgi |
| 17:46.49 | neuro_sys_ | Well, how am I to start iptables on boot then? |
| 17:46.53 | gury | I have a really weird problem. transmission-gtk always resets the `download-dir' option to a value I once set before. I also tried to solve the problem by quitting transmission, checking that no transmission related process is running anymore with `ps aux', editing the `download-dir' option in the settings.json file but nothing helps... it's always resetted ;( any idea? |
| 17:47.12 | ZaSeal | neuro_sys_: sory i forgot lol |
| 17:47.17 | neuro_sys_ | lol |
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| 17:48.18 | geggam | update-rc.d iptables on neuro_sys_ |
| 17:48.47 | geggam | its like chkconfig but different :) |
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| 17:49.37 | neuro_sys_ | The thing is there's no init script under /etc/init.d for iptables package. |
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| 17:49.50 | geggam | write one |
| 17:49.55 | neuro_sys_ | bah |
| 17:50.02 | ZaSeal | there is |
| 17:50.16 | ZaSeal | its not liek redhat |
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| 17:50.32 | neuro_sys_ | I don't know what it's like in redhat. |
| 17:50.57 | ZaSeal | /etc/init.d/iptables restart |
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| 17:52.03 | neuro_sys_ | ZaSeal, I'm sorry but there's no /etc/init.d/iptables here after I issue the command `apt-get install iptables`. |
| 17:52.11 | ZaSeal | nooooooooo |
| 17:52.12 | ZaSeal | omg |
| 17:52.17 | ZaSeal | thats for redhat/centos |
| 17:52.22 | ZaSeal | debian is diff |
| 17:52.25 | Schrodinger`Cat | !meow |
| 17:52.26 | dpkg | breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow... |
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| 17:53.45 | ZaSeal | actually it the init.d is the same |
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| 17:53.58 | ZaSeal | its the config file thats not in the same place |
| 17:54.56 | ZaSeal | here u go |
| 17:54.57 | ZaSeal | http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 17:55.15 | halt | hi guys i'm new with debian and i'm seraching for an alternative for logrep or a way to install it on my system ? any recommandation? |
| 17:55.42 | PigDude | nobody answered my question, i try again: |
| 17:55.49 | PigDude | what is the default LDA for debian? |
| 17:55.49 | boudiccas | halt, logrotate should be set up and working by default |
| 17:55.52 | PigDude | I have a postfix/dovecot setup and I wanted to work procmail into this, but I don't know what's doing the job right now |
| 17:56.34 | damacus | PigDude: ive usually done it per-user |
| 17:56.44 | damacus | $ cat .forward |
| 17:56.44 | damacus | | /usr/bin/procmail |
| 17:56.46 | boudiccas | halt, and what does 'logrep' do? |
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| 17:57.05 | mjessome | I've got an sd card, vfat formatted. Mounts fine with linux on my development board as well as on a coworkers Ubuntu machine, however dmesg is informing me on my Deb system "bogus number of reserved sectors. Can't find a valid FAT filesystem". I know that it is valid since I am able to mount it elsewhere. any help would be appreciated, thanks! |
| 17:57.18 | PigDude | erm but how do i know what is being used now? |
| 17:57.29 | PigDude | surely something is being used |
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| 17:57.42 | halt | boudiccas create reports from the common server logs |
| 17:58.24 | boudiccas | halt, install 'logwatch' and it will email you every day the previous days highlights from the logs |
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| 17:59.00 | abrotman | Schrodinger`Cat: feel free to meessage me when you can stop doing that |
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| 18:00.13 | halt | boudiccas for an alternative can be good, but comparing to the logrep it's realy dummy, and also i have no gui, so the webinterface can be good, but thx for the alternative |
| 18:02.01 | boudiccas | halt, i've just searched apt-cache for logrep, but it doesn't seem available for wheezy. |
| 18:02.18 | somiaj | boudiccas: have you tried apt-file? |
| 18:02.44 | boudiccas | somiaj, i dont think i've got apt-file installed, i'l remedy that then |
| 18:03.06 | somiaj | boudiccas: well that looks for files instead of though package descriptions/data |
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| 18:03.24 | somiaj | boudiccas: though you sure it is logrep, from what I see there is no file by that name in any debian suit |
| 18:03.33 | halt | boudiccas it's still on the whislist http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613513 |
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| 18:04.13 | ZaSeal | how come debian whezy installer didnt find my other OSes |
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| 18:04.36 | somiaj | ZaSeal: maybe they are in unstandard places? do you have os-prober installed? |
| 18:04.44 | ZaSeal | no |
| 18:04.48 | ZaSeal | they are in normal places |
| 18:04.59 | ZaSeal | sda1 sda2 sda3 |
| 18:05.04 | thewanderer1 | does the Squeeze installer find them? keep in mind that Wheezy installer is for *testing* purposes |
| 18:05.07 | somiaj | ZaSeal: os-prober is the a package that tries to find other OSes to put into grub. There are cases that you may have to manually add the entries into grub. |
| 18:05.10 | ZaSeal | yes |
| 18:05.41 | thewanderer1 | ZaSeal: does that mean it worked in Squeeze, and fails in Wheezy? then it should be reported as a bug |
| 18:05.47 | ZaSeal | ok so didnt choose to install the grub |
| 18:06.04 | ZaSeal | i just loaded up sqeeze and ran grub updtate |
| 18:06.23 | ZaSeal | then squeze found wheezy |
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| 18:06.45 | ZaSeal | but once i tried to boot into wheeze it say cant find kernal or something |
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| 18:08.54 | Max^ | !mirc |
| 18:08.55 | dpkg | mirc is, like, http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/mirc/exploit.html, or sucks festering dog balls |
| 18:09.00 | Max^ | :) |
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| 18:09.39 | abrotman | Max^: you can msg the bot so we don't have witness that .. |
| 18:09.40 | ZaSeal | u kno wat sux |
| 18:09.48 | abrotman | your english skills? |
| 18:09.49 | ZaSeal | the default iphone ring |
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| 18:10.18 | Max^ | ok |
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| 18:12.20 | NiLon | abrotman you added b but removed q |
| 18:12.29 | abrotman | awesome .. |
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| 18:12.48 | bAndie9100 | hello people |
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| 18:12.54 | pithagorians | hi all. i have a process which pid i know. i want to kill it after some time. how should i do that? |
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| 18:13.09 | PumpkinPie | If debian created a version just for a device like a phone.. it would make a lot of sense |
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| 18:13.19 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: emdebian ? |
| 18:13.29 | bAndie9100 | pithagorians, sleep 60 && kill $pid |
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| 18:14.07 | PumpkinPie | Never heard of emdebian but if it has a dialpad and what not then yes that's what I mean |
| 18:14.46 | MySystem | hello have a problem with a cron triggered script here the error from cron http://pastebin.com/P4ChHPVU and the stat from the script file http://pastebin.com/ZxwCVJtY i cant see my fault added cronjob via sudo crontab -u weakserver -e sry if this is offtopic here and if its very wrong here pls say where to ask |
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| 18:15.04 | PumpkinPie | Got apps? yeah everything you can run on linux/arm |
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| 18:17.27 | PhoenixSTF | Any workaround for netinstall iso booting from Grub2, not detecting CD-rom? |
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| 18:17.52 | AdamMiner | For a single user (just me) setup, what FTP server is my best bet for an easy setup? |
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| 18:18.36 | bAndie9100 | howto figure out whether a packet is a virtual packet or not? |
| 18:19.09 | bAndie9100 | by using apt-cache or similar tool, maybe grepping /var/lib/dpkg... |
| 18:20.03 | bAndie9100 | s/packet/package/g |
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| 18:21.55 | gury | bAndie9100: apt-cache show PACKAGE ? |
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| 18:22.57 | gury | bAndie9100: when searched packages are listed, virtual ones have a `v' on the left |
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| 18:23.33 | bAndie9100 | gury, it displays a Notify message about requested package is "purely virtual" |
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| 18:24.16 | bAndie9100 | its a locale-vary string, can be changed in future |
| 18:24.26 | bAndie9100 | is there a more exact way? |
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| 18:25.32 | bAndie9100 | gury, a tried `aptitude search -F %100p "~v$package"` but its too slow |
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| 18:30.03 | bAndie9100 | btw, apt-cache wont print that message when stdout redirected :( |
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| 18:31.50 | MySystem | ok sry think i got it the cronjob triggered while i inserted the the updated script so there wasn't the chmod u+x set thx for the possibility to ask here |
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| 18:32.41 | MySystem | have a nice day |
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| 18:36.35 | enapupe | hello, how do you run compiz on 6.0.6? |
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| 18:37.26 | abrotman | looks at sixx ... |
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| 18:41.59 | dkr | enapupe: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz has a list of pakcages to install. I'm not sure about version requirements |
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| 18:42.20 | enapupe | I did it.. I enable some options on compitz config but nothing happens.. |
| 18:42.30 | enapupe | I'm running it on a vm, may this be the problem? |
| 18:42.35 | dkr | yes |
| 18:42.55 | enapupe | yes testind debian, I want to get rid of ubuntu as soon as I buy a new ssd |
| 18:43.05 | enapupe | testing* |
| 18:43.08 | enapupe | so far so good :) |
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| 19:12.38 | nixbag | i just read that a package may only be in sid for a couple days before making it's way into testing. is that true? |
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| 19:12.57 | jhutchins_wk | bullgard4: I would think that would be more likely a mailing list or forum support candidate. |
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| 19:14.20 | jhutchins_wk | How do I set the screensaver in xfce? |
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| 19:15.14 | remote | jhutchins_wk: you asked the same question yesterday did you even read my answer then? |
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| 19:16.34 | jhutchins_wk | remote: I must've missed it, sorry. |
| 19:16.50 | abrotman | nixbag: that can be true, it is not always true |
| 19:17.39 | jhutchins_wk | remote: I've set it in the System Control Panel (?), the one that carried over from KDE, but it's still doing random screensavers. |
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| 19:18.15 | remote | jhutchins_wk: you can find out if xfce has a startup mechanism that allows you to hook xscreensaver into it, otherwise you should be able to do it via ~/.xinitrc see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XScreenSaver#Single-User_Systems |
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| 19:19.07 | jhutchins_wk | remote: It's doing a screensaver. Random rotation. When it hits flying toasters it freezes. The question is not how to auto-start it, but how to control which screensaver it uses. |
| 19:19.24 | remote | xscreensaver-demo |
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| 19:20.13 | jhutchins_wk | Nothing in xinitrc |
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| 19:21.08 | jhutchins_wk | There must be some kind of control panel for it in xfce that is not respecting the settings from kde. I'm pretty sure that xfce uses xscreensaver, which kde does not, so seperate controls are reasonable... |
| 19:21.10 | remote | jhutchins_wk: run xscreensaver-demo |
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| 19:25.18 | jhutchins_wk | Ok, that does seem to bring up a preferences window. Not intuitive. |
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| 19:27.17 | hellyeah | why |
| 19:27.31 | hellyeah | there isnt flashplugin-nonfree package |
| 19:27.39 | hellyeah | i cannot find this on debian repo |
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| 19:30.11 | qak | hellyeah: make sure you have nonfree enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:30.40 | themill | contrib, not non-free |
| 19:30.47 | qak | h, thanks themill |
| 19:30.51 | hellyeah | yeah |
| 19:30.55 | hellyeah | non free enabled |
| 19:31.11 | hellyeah | there is no result when typing aptitude search flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 19:31.44 | qak | hellyeah: did you see themill correcting me? it's "contrib". also, make sure you do `apt-get update` after adding that |
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| 19:32.10 | hellyeah | yeah yeah |
| 19:32.33 | hellyeah | i assure you i did all process it is required |
| 19:32.49 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:32.50 | judd | Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8.2; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.3~bpo50+1; wheezy/contrib: 1:2.8.5; sid/contrib: 1:3.1 |
| 19:33.15 | hellyeah | mine 64 bit |
| 19:33.36 | qak | hellyeah: i installed that pkg on squeeze for amd64 last night |
| 19:33.52 | hellyeah | i didnt try squeeze |
| 19:33.58 | hellyeah | flash plugin is too old |
| 19:34.00 | themill | hellyeah: perhaps you can pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" for us |
| 19:34.01 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: Do you have ->contrib<- enabled? |
| 19:34.04 | hellyeah | i couldnt watch video |
| 19:34.12 | hellyeah | sure |
| 19:34.16 | themill | hellyeah: the flashplugin is the same version in all releases |
| 19:34.18 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: It's the latest from Adobe, so your statement makes no sense. |
| 19:34.23 | hellyeah | main non free contrib all enabled |
| 19:34.38 | hellyeah | my chrome said to me you flash is old |
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| 19:37.39 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: Have you previously installed flashplugin-nonfree? |
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| 19:37.51 | Bad_Dream | im having a problem...my debian install failed when installing grub so now grub is damaged and im uable to boot into the machine at all. i boot into the debian live cd and trying to follow guides to repair grub but when i try to mount a partition it gives me an error |
| 19:38.14 | AdamMiner | Am I screwed for blindly chowining "/"? |
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| 19:38.24 | qak | Bad_Dream: the error being? .. |
| 19:38.29 | jhutchins_wk | stares deep into his crystal ball trying to guess what the error is... |
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| 19:38.33 | hellyeah | ops |
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| 19:38.44 | qak | AdamMiner: chown -R ? |
| 19:38.52 | Droid | so er |
| 19:38.53 | AdamMiner | Yes 9_9 |
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| 19:38.58 | Droid | Could i get some help maybe? |
| 19:39.04 | qak | then i would have to say pretty much yeah |
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| 19:39.16 | Bad_Dream | qak im not at the machine now but i think it was that it couldnt find the drive or partition |
| 19:39.19 | AdamMiner | Better off just rebuilding? |
| 19:39.39 | Droid | I'm running sid, and ncmpcpp is no longer playing music. |
| 19:39.52 | qak | AdamMiner: depends on the system; 90% is predictable (/bin, lib, etc) , but is that last 10% worth the effort? |
| 19:40.04 | AdamMiner | nope |
| 19:40.24 | AdamMiner | fresh vps, only thing config'd is ftp |
| 19:40.44 | qak | AdamMiner: meh, i'd blow it away probably |
| 19:41.01 | Droid | no? |
| 19:41.01 | themill | skip adding an ftp server next time too |
| 19:41.23 | qak | Bad_Dream: need to know why you couldn't mount. maybe a hw issue? maybe the partition table is screwy? |
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| 19:41.45 | Bad_Dream | qak i think its just probably that im doing it wrong |
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| 19:44.51 | Bad_Dream | ok i tried install -d /mnt/bd and the error i got was install: cannot change permissions of /mnt/bd : no such file or directory |
| 19:44.52 | bullgard4 | Can you advice an IRC channels that deals with Gajim? |
| 19:45.02 | Bad_Dream | qak ^ |
| 19:45.46 | hellyeah | what is gajim |
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| 19:47.11 | hellyeah | Bad_Dream: |
| 19:47.15 | hellyeah | +erry> hellyeah, https://trac.gajim.org/wiki/GajimCommunity [08:46:38] <+erry> they have an irc channel there, but not on freenode |
| 19:47.20 | hellyeah | this is the answer i guess |
| 19:47.31 | Bad_Dream | yes? |
| 19:48.00 | hellyeah | if you have this kind of question |
| 19:48.06 | hellyeah | i guess you to join freenode |
| 19:48.14 | hellyeah | there is a channel freenode here |
| 19:48.15 | confusid | Are there a prepackaged file of the codecs? |
| 19:48.35 | Bad_Dream | it wasnt me that asdked about gajim hellyeah |
| 19:49.01 | hellyeah | ops |
| 19:49.03 | hellyeah | sorry |
| 19:49.04 | Bad_Dream | im asking how to reinstall grub |
| 19:49.05 | hellyeah | apologies |
| 19:49.10 | Bad_Dream | s'ok =) |
| 19:49.17 | hellyeah | bullgard4: this is your answer |
| 19:49.29 | hellyeah | Bad_Dream: did you remove your grub |
| 19:49.38 | hellyeah | or do you want to reconfigure grub |
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| 19:50.33 | Bad_Dream | the grub was damaged when trying to install a corrupted debian and wont boot anymore ....i have 2 OS's and cant access either now because grub is damaged |
| 19:50.48 | hellyeah | i guess |
| 19:50.59 | hellyeah | system drops you initramfs |
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| 19:52.21 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: gajim is a chat client |
| 19:52.30 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: So did you figure out your flash? |
| 19:52.44 | hellyeah | there is one version in wheezy |
| 19:52.51 | hellyeah | but chrome reported it is old |
| 19:52.57 | jhutchins_wk | Bad_Dream: The installer should offer a rescue mode. |
| 19:52.59 | hellyeah | i cannot watch the video |
| 19:53.17 | Bad_Dream | oooo rescue mode ok gooded ill try that |
| 19:53.25 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: The debian package is just a script that downloads the plugin from Adobe. You need to re-run it to update flash. |
| 19:53.30 | hellyeah | when i make it full screen video automatically slowdown then i hit the esc video flows as it is supposed to be |
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| 19:54.05 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: That sounds like troubles with your driver, but again. The Debian package is just a downloader. Run it again for the latest flash. |
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| 19:54.15 | hellyeah | butr |
| 19:54.20 | hellyeah | compiz works great |
| 19:54.24 | hellyeah | no problem |
| 19:54.42 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: flash would probably work better if you turned compiz off. Compiz eats lots of resources. |
| 19:55.03 | hellyeah | sometimes ago it was not the case |
| 19:55.05 | hellyeah | anyway |
| 19:55.18 | Bad_Dream | theres no rescue mode on the licd theres live live failsafe memtest and hd- boot the first hard |
| 19:55.25 | Bad_Dream | live cd* |
| 19:55.46 | jhutchins_wk | hellyeah: They keep adding more cruft to the system, and it slows it down. They just go out and buy hot new GAs and Procs. |
| 19:55.47 | hellyeah | i am not sure |
| 19:55.59 | hellyeah | but may be you can do grub update on live cd for hdd system |
| 19:56.17 | Bad_Dream | yes heelyeah dat would work but i dont know how |
| 19:56.18 | jhutchins_wk | Bad_Dream: Yeah, the rescue mode is specific to the installer CDs afik. |
| 19:56.21 | hellyeah | jhutchins_wk: i guess compiz really fucked up nowadays |
| 19:56.27 | hellyeah | Bad_Dream: |
| 19:56.28 | jhutchins_wk | !fixgrub |
| 19:56.28 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 19:56.41 | hellyeah | you shoulda tried google :D |
| 19:56.58 | Bad_Dream | ok i selected boot first hard drive and im at a prompt now called grub rescue |
| 19:57.37 | hellyeah | i dont have any clue about grub rescue |
| 19:57.43 | hellyeah | i guess it is pain in the ass |
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| 19:58.50 | Bad_Dream | wherever it says dev/watever i put in the sd1 or watever but the other places it has /dev i leave like that? |
| 19:58.53 | dshep | what enables the nmi_watchdog when i plug in my charger? |
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| 20:00.02 | Bad_Dream | !rescue mode |
| 20:00.02 | dpkg | Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>. |
| 20:00.23 | Bad_Dream | !install guide |
| 20:00.23 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian Squeeze (6.0) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/installmanual . See also <errata> <firmware images> <installer firmware> <release notes>. |
| 20:00.31 | mhz | lilo > grub |
| 20:00.46 | mhz | = troll |
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| 20:00.57 | mhz | but seriously, hi all |
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| 20:04.37 | Bad_Dream | ok im unable to do the rescue |
| 20:04.45 | Bad_Dream | going with other option |
| 20:04.50 | hellyeah | try ubuntu live cd |
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| 20:05.17 | bustin_jieber | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.19 | Bad_Dream | well i have a debian live cd |
| 20:05.24 | Bad_Dream | not ubuntu |
| 20:05.38 | hellyeah | http://www.google.com.tr/#hl=tr&sclient=psy-ab&q=grub+fix+from+live+cd&oq=grub+fix+from+live+cd&gs_l=hp.3..0i30.4720345.4724196.1.4724300.21.15.0.6.6.0.226.2270.0j14j1i didnt know debian has live cd |
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| 20:05.43 | hellyeah | ops |
| 20:05.50 | hellyeah | i didnt know debian has live cd |
| 20:06.02 | hellyeah | but here is the result after appropriate keywords |
| 20:06.11 | hellyeah | http://www.google.com.tr/#hl=tr&sclient=psy-ab&q=grub+fix+from+live+cd&oq=grub+fix+from+live+cd&gs_l=hp.3..0i30.4720345.4724196.1.4724300.21.15.0.6.6.0.226.2270.0j14j1.15.0...0.0...1c.1.eoxWQ9SYtK0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=33c4299df09899fb&biw=1066&bih=507 |
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| 20:06.50 | Bad_Dream | gunna try wat the boot said first before i continue exploring google garbage |
| 20:06.53 | Bad_Dream | bot* |
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| 20:09.08 | Bad_Dream | ahhhhh |
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| 20:09.34 | Bad_Dream | tried to mount drive in live cd it told me only root can do that |
| 20:09.36 | Bad_Dream | i am root |
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| 20:10.26 | confusid | Are there codecs other then http://wiki.debian.org/MultimediaCodecs I need to play avi files? |
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| 20:11.08 | bullgard4 | hellyeah: Thank you for providing this link. Unfortunately it does not show the address of an Gajim IRC channel. |
| 20:11.38 | Bad_Dream | ok password set |
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| 20:11.57 | Bad_Dream | crap |
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| 20:12.30 | hellyeah | hellyeah: There have a MUC at gajim@conference.gajim.or |
| 20:12.34 | hellyeah | may be this help |
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| 20:15.30 | Bad_Dream | oh remastersys grub restore |
| 20:16.24 | Bad_Dream | well see wat happens now |
| 20:17.06 | Bad_Dream | welp dat didnt work |
| 20:17.59 | Bad_Dream | gunna reinstall deb and during the install itll put grub back on |
| 20:18.11 | Bad_Dream | long process for something simple but at least it should work |
| 20:19.12 | thewanderer1 | off the top of all y'all's head, does d-i support setting JFS for rootfs when partitioning? |
| 20:19.12 | bullgard4 | hellyeah: I know this gajim@conference.gajim.or address. This is the reason for my question because I receive a message that my Gajim cannot deal with it. So I turning in circles. |
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| 20:20.03 | hellyeah | i dont know |
| 20:20.04 | hellyeah | but |
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| 20:20.11 | hellyeah | there is two channels you can try |
| 20:20.17 | hellyeah | #freenode and #defocus |
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| 20:20.41 | joren | Hey, can anyone tell me, is apt-proxy now obsoleted? |
| 20:21.11 | thewanderer1 | joren: use apt-cacher-ng or approx |
| 20:21.26 | bolt | thewanderer1: can't recall seeing it |
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| 20:21.28 | joren | thewanderer1, ok, thanks. Does it work pretty much the same way? |
| 20:21.50 | bolt | then again i haven't paid much attention |
| 20:22.00 | thewanderer1 | joren: not sure, I haven't used apt-proxy. but setup takes 1 minute... |
| 20:22.11 | joren | ok, I'll give it a go |
| 20:22.12 | joren | thanks |
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| 20:25.23 | joren | already had apt-cacher installed, and working. Awesome :) |
| 20:25.50 | joren | maybe.. |
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| 20:26.44 | hellyeah | hahahaha |
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| 20:26.52 | hellyeah | i dont have a problem with apt |
| 20:26.55 | thewanderer1 | re filesystems, I'll just boot up Debian in KVM and see I think :P |
| 20:27.05 | hellyeah | but configuring installing package takes time |
| 20:27.10 | hellyeah | really TIME ! |
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| 20:34.27 | geggam | hellyeah, ... wonder how much time it would take if you had to go look for CDROM drivers so you could not use multiple floppies to boot your system... then after finding the cdrom driver you want to install a package that some obscure developer wrote using an even more obscure library that you couldnt find... then you would understand __really time__ |
| 20:34.58 | hellyeah | well |
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| 20:35.09 | hellyeah | it is fucked up |
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| 20:35.41 | hellyeah | but when i used ubuntu i takes 6 hours may be more to update version for example from 12.04 to 12.10 |
| 20:35.54 | hellyeah | apt seems slow thats only opinion |
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| 20:36.48 | geggam | it is slow... but its faster than what used to happen... now its your turn to take that anger at waiting forever and make it faster |
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| 20:37.06 | geggam | from my perspective its fast as hell |
| 20:37.07 | thewanderer1 | you know, maybe you should get an SSD and a decent machine... |
| 20:37.08 | geggam | >:] |
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| 20:50.09 | confusid | I uninstalled vlc that came with xfce and then used sudo apt-get -t squeeze-backports install vlc went from 1.3 something to 2.0. Was this the correct way to do it? I tried to use apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and it would not use the newer version. |
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| 20:52.53 | confusid | grr.. closed the wrong window out. |
| 20:53.08 | emdub | what's the best way to ensure a debian package that has a dependency on a user/group existing? |
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| 20:54.01 | emdub | er, -that.. basically i'd like to make sure that a user/group exists as part of a deb install... should i just put logic in the preinst script to check for that? |
| 20:54.11 | themill | confusid: yeah, that's fine. "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install vlc" would probably work straight off without uninstalling the other version |
| 20:54.48 | ItzExor | does the order in which you've added repos to the sources.list matter? |
| 20:54.55 | themill | no |
| 20:55.04 | ItzExor | cool |
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| 20:55.15 | jordanm | confusid: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2 |
| 20:55.44 | confusid | themill: that would do the upgrade? I have seem to have broken something while trying to fix the lack of avi's playing |
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| 21:17.46 | dondelelcaro | confusid: no, that meeans that you need to also upgrade vlc-nox to 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1 |
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| 21:17.59 | dondelelcaro | confusid: or whatever is depending on vlc-nox |
| 21:18.23 | confusid | dondelelcaro: ty, dist-upgrade seems to be working. |
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| 21:24.13 | nutron|w | I'm having issues with cups under wheezy. Seems an update at some point caused pdf2ps to start crashing. Anyone expert enough with the magic that is cups able to lend a hand? I don't know what to really do as the logs are totally ambiguous and I don't know what to replace/test pdf2ps with. |
| 21:24.33 | nutron|w | I've checked the bugs for cups. It almost looks... unmaintained. |
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| 21:24.58 | nutron|w | And nothing in there that I've looked for really has a resolution. |
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| 21:25.41 | jhutchins_wk | I thought it was being maintained by apple, or that at least the university team that maintains it was being supported by them. |
| 21:26.40 | jhutchins_wk | Developer forum is active as of this week. |
| 21:26.51 | nutron|w | Well there are tons of bugs reported, none seem to be being triaged. |
| 21:26.59 | nutron|w | But what do I know? =) |
| 21:27.08 | jhutchins_wk | nutron|w: Are they reported at Debian or at cups.org? |
| 21:27.13 | nutron|w | Debian |
| 21:27.29 | jhutchins_wk | nutron|w: That sounds like maybe the debian maintainer got diverted. |
| 21:27.30 | dkr | that's because Apple bought cups |
| 21:27.32 | jhutchins_wk | !maint cups |
| 21:27.39 | dondelelcaro | nutron|w: pdf2ps is part of ghost script; it's possible that the debian package isn't being well maintained. |
| 21:27.48 | dpkg | cups: Debian CUPS Maintainers <pkg-cups-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> |
| 21:28.12 | nutron|w | dondelelcaro: yeah, poppler also has something to do with it as well. I just don't know if it' |
| 21:28.18 | nutron|w | s foomatic/cups/ppds... |
| 21:28.37 | jhutchins_wk | Apple says they developed cups. |
| 21:28.45 | dkr | and because working on printer issues is boring, so most of the devel was done by the creators/company (easy) that was bought by Apple. :) |
| 21:28.50 | nutron|w | That's causing this failure, hence my blank stare and using the "can anyone help" plea. |
| 21:29.13 | break19 | they should make a cups that outputs in redneck-ese.. could call it dixie cups |
| 21:29.20 | break19 | .. bad joke. sorry :P |
| 21:29.21 | streuner | jhutchins_wk: apple use the main devel to devel their software... |
| 21:29.24 | jhutchins_wk | Looks like there is active work on pdf/ps issues. |
| 21:29.42 | nutron|w | jhutchins_wk: can you link me? I must have missed this gem. |
| 21:29.51 | nutron|w | See what I can do to fix this. |
| 21:29.53 | streuner | jhutchins_wk: something else is just naive |
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| 21:30.06 | jhutchins_wk | Under "Recent News", front page of http://www.cups.org |
| 21:30.26 | nutron|w | Oooh =/ my bad, here I am relying on debian =) |
| 21:30.47 | dkr | break19: redhat used to let you choose redneck as install language. :) |
| 21:31.02 | jhutchins_wk | nutron|w: Also you might check that list (pkg-cups-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org) to see if they're active or maybe could use a hand. |
| 21:31.03 | nutron|w | Google too I believe. |
| 21:31.06 | dkr | that was before they went all enterprise-y. :) |
| 21:31.12 | streuner | jhutchins_wk: apples printing software is always years better than others... |
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| 21:31.42 | break19 | dkr: ah, so it was redhat then? I knew I remembered that.. but I couldnt remember which distro it was. lol |
| 21:31.42 | jhutchins_wk | ,versions cups |
| 21:31.43 | judd | Package: cups on i386 -- lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny10; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny10; squeeze: 1.4.4-7+squeeze1; squeeze-security: 1.4.4-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.5.3-1; sid: 1.5.3-2; experimental: 1.5.3-4 |
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| 21:32.01 | dkr | break19: redhat 5 I think |
| 21:32.07 | dkr | and earlier |
| 21:32.14 | jhutchins_wk | Current is 1.6.1, so we are a bit behind. |
| 21:32.32 | streuner | jhutchins_wk: what a suprise |
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| 21:34.15 | dkr | I submitted a bugfix patch to cups ages ago. it amuses me to think that something I wrote resides in imacs nowadays |
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| 21:38.39 | Bad_Dream | jhutchins_wk, i did a full reinstall on debian which put grub back on properly and everything and gru worked fine and i was able to boot....ty for the help and also hellyeah thanks for the help |
| 21:39.09 | jhutchins_wk | Bad_Dream: Hey, great to hear you got it working! Thanks for the follow-up! |
| 21:40.09 | Bad_Dream | my friend made a nice custom debian xfce which is under 600 megs |
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| 21:40.29 | Bad_Dream | looks really sharp |
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| 21:49.21 | confusid | I have now broken vlc.. :/ |
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| 21:49.43 | streuner | confusid: vlc just works in whezzy |
| 21:49.43 | adac | how to add a system user (no password required) on command line |
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| 21:50.08 | confusid | streuner: this was a fresh install of squeeze yesterday. |
| 21:50.57 | confusid | streuner: vlc in whezzy is it 2.0? |
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| 21:51.07 | streuner | judd, versions vlc |
| 21:51.08 | judd | Package: vlc on i386 -- lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny3; squeeze: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-security: 1.1.3-1squeeze6; squeeze-backports: 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1; sid: 2.0.3-2; wheezy: 2.0.3-2; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.3-dmo2; sid-multimedia: 1:2.0.3-dmo4 |
| 21:51.12 | LtL | adac: adduser |
| 21:51.35 | confusid | ty |
| 21:52.46 | streuner | confusid: well, i would use xine or something else then... |
| 21:53.07 | confusid | wouldn't there be a codec issue still? |
| 21:53.18 | themill | "broken" isn't really a useful error to get useful answers |
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| 21:53.48 | streuner | confusid: sure, its always an issue, you need "essential package", its in dmm (/msg dpkg dmm) |
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| 21:54.53 | confusid | The following packages have unmet dependencies: vlc : Depends: vlc-nox (= 1.1.3-1squeeze6) but 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1 is to be installedDepends: libvlccore4 (>= 1.1.0) but it is not going to be installed Recommends: vlc-plugin-notify (= 1.1.3-1squeeze6) but 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1 is to be installedRecommends: vlc-plugin-pulse (= 1.1.3-1squeeze6) but 2.0.3-1~bpo60+1 is to be installedE: Broken packages |
| 21:55.09 | confusid | I googled and followed what I found to install codec's |
| 21:55.10 | streuner | confusid: its true, what themill said, i have my doubts about an issue in stable/squezze too... |
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| 21:56.01 | _Techie_ | is there any way to have a samba server on debian squeeze to apply a '.' to the start of files until they are fuly copied? |
| 21:56.03 | streuner | maybe an sources.list issue, please pastebin your sources.list |
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| 21:56.48 | streuner | confusid: please tell us your sources.list in paste.debian.org |
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| 21:57.26 | b1gtuna | anybody familiar with debian-maintainers.org |
| 21:57.33 | b1gtuna | any plans bringing back up? |
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| 21:57.42 | b1gtuna | just want to build mplayer |
| 21:57.49 | b1gtuna | and libdvdread library is borked |
| 21:58.23 | confusid | paste.debian.net/196349 |
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| 21:59.48 | confusid | b1gtuna: does this help? http://deb-multimedia.org/ |
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| 22:00.32 | themill | confusid: deb-multimedia is unneeded here and best avoided |
| 22:00.50 | confusid | ok |
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| 22:01.03 | themill | dpkg: tell confusid about dmm list |
| 22:01.19 | confusid | thats where i installed the 2.0 vlc from when it would install |
| 22:01.27 | themill | :( |
| 22:01.41 | themill | you said you were getting it from backports |
| 22:01.57 | streuner | according this sources.list.... |
| 22:01.59 | confusid | yes was |
| 22:02.18 | streuner | nobody knows where he got anything... |
| 22:02.21 | b1gtuna | themill: hm what's wrong with deb-multimedia |
| 22:02.34 | themill | b1gtuna: poor quality packages that break other debian packages |
| 22:02.44 | themill | dpkg: tell b1gtuna about why not dmm |
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| 22:02.58 | _Techie_ | b1gtuna: isnt mplayer in the debian repo's i installed it on a fresh install less than 2 hours ago using apt |
| 22:03.06 | confusid | I just broke it from using the last apt-get vlc and when I uninstalled it wont reinstall |
| 22:03.24 | confusid | I took the # out from infront of the deb-med |
| 22:03.28 | themill | confusid: real output in a pastebin please. You're not actually explaining anything |
| 22:03.39 | confusid | What do you want? |
| 22:03.40 | b1gtuna | _Techie_: I need the source. On a custom verison of Linux that I put together |
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| 22:04.00 | b1gtuna | _Techie_: and i can't set up APT on it |
| 22:04.05 | Treadstone__71 | Hello |
| 22:04.23 | themill | confusid: the output of "apt-cache policy vlc vlc-nox" would be a good start. If you've still got dmm in your sources.list,aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' -F'%100p' |
| 22:04.30 | confusid | This is my /etc/apt/source.list paste.debian.net/196352 |
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| 22:05.41 | confusid | http://paste.debian.net/196353 |
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| 22:06.36 | confusid | paste.debian.net/196354 |
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| 22:07.13 | streuner | confusid: the most important thing in Debian is always a clear sources.list |
| 22:07.31 | confusid | Is mine not clear? |
| 22:07.47 | confusid | I added things as I found things in Google that needed another repo |
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| 22:08.17 | themill | there are lots of morons out there who copy+paste crap from one blog to the next |
| 22:08.32 | themill | confusid: ok, so remove deb-multimedia from your sources.list, run "apt-get update" and then "aptitude -t squeeze-backports install vlc vlc-nox" |
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| 22:10.06 | confusid | it is removing a package now.. and installing vlc-nox. Do I have what I've read Mixed Ports? |
| 22:10.37 | streuner | confusid: just do what themill told you |
| 22:10.42 | confusid | it installed |
| 22:11.00 | confusid | 2.0.3 vlc installed |
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| 22:11.11 | nvz | I can't for the life of me understand why my wifi card in this laptop is requesting 10.0.0.2 as an IP via dhcp.. as long as my router is set to 10.0.0.1 and dhcp pool starts at 10.0.0.2 I can get online otherwise its screwed. |
| 22:11.25 | themill | confusid: please stop assuming that my ESP is working well tonight. It's not. Please stick stuff in a pastebin. |
| 22:11.26 | nvz | I see nothing ANYWHERE in network manager or otherwise that would make it do this |
| 22:11.44 | nvz | seems to me this is the opposite of dhcp if its requesting an address with the dhcp request packet |
| 22:12.03 | themill | nvz: that's precisely how dhcp works |
| 22:12.04 | abrotman | nvz: /etc/dhclient.conf ? |
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| 22:12.32 | confusid | themill: What I'm asking is. You had me remove the deb-multimedia. Was that the cause/problem I created so vlc would not install? |
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| 22:12.46 | nvz | to me dhcp means ask nicely for AN address.. and the router will give you the route and address to the intarwebs.. not you tell it what you want and it'll just say, uh no man.. thats not in my network.. have fun playing by yourself :-P |
| 22:12.59 | themill | confusid: possibly. probably. who knows... you didn't show us the output when we asked to see it. |
| 22:13.17 | confusid | I pastbin what you asked |
| 22:13.19 | abrotman | nvz: you know how to use grep .. |
| 22:13.51 | nvz | abrotman: I don't have a dhclient.conf and idk what you're getting at |
| 22:14.09 | JimmyGulp | nvz: DHCP is a bit of both. if you have no previous address, ask for one. if you have a previous address, try and ask for it again, if you get it, lovely, otherwise, use the one the new dhcp server gives you |
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| 22:14.14 | themill | nvz: no, dhcp asks for the "same address I had last time, please - it was 10.0..." and the server ACKs or NAKs that request |
| 22:14.22 | abrotman | nvz: cd / ; grep -Ri "10.0.0." * |
| 22:14.25 | nvz | all I know is the reason this WDS hasnt been working right is because it IS working right.. its my computer sending request for stupid stuff.. I can see that in the router's logs |
| 22:14.27 | confusid | themill: ty for helping me! |
| 22:15.12 | themill | nvz: if the dhcp server doesn't want your client to have that address, then it should propose an alternative |
| 22:15.27 | nvz | well lemme /disco and set it back to 192.168.1.1 and show you the logs on the router side.. I had them ready but lost power here and hosed em |
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| 22:16.08 | themill | nvz: daemon.log on the client should show the discover/request/offer/ack sequence too |
| 22:16.17 | nvz | all I know is when its 192.168.1.1 and dhcp pool is 192.168.1.100-192.168.1.129, it asks for 10.0.0.2 and the router replies bad network and I end up with 10.0.0.2 and a bad dangling route to 10.0.0.0 |
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| 22:16.39 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the router should reply with NAK, and then the client should issue a discover again |
| 22:16.55 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's perfectly acceptable for the client to start with REQUEST instead of DISCOVER |
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| 22:17.25 | dondelelcaro | nvz: however, if the router's dhcp server isn't set up properly, it might not NAK. [Usually there is a thing like "authoritative" which configures whether the dhcp server will send out NAK requests.] |
| 22:17.25 | nvz | well as I said, lemme /disco and do it all again and capture the logs so you can see.. near as I can tell this is client side problem |
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| 22:18.16 | dondelelcaro | (and unfortunately, it's not all that unusual for routers to have fundamentally broken dhcp servers) |
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| 22:18.36 | nvz | well I got a WRT54G and a WNR3500L both using tomato 1.28 |
| 22:18.49 | nvz | but seems like client side issue here.. hence why I asked here.. |
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| 22:19.59 | nvz | I had the WDS+AP working both with same SSID on both and with different SSID and either way I could access both routers, but only could access the internet when directly connected to primary router |
| 22:20.23 | nvz | now I set it all back up the way it was, and realized my machine is refusing to do what the dhcp server tells it by the look of it |
| 22:20.45 | nvz | wanders off to gather logs |
| 22:20.46 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the output of tcpdump -i any -l -n -vv -X port 66 or port 67; will be very useful |
| 22:22.16 | nvz | thing is I DO want to use 10.0.0.0 cause its easier to type.. but I want main router to be 10.0.0.1 and other to be 10.0.0.2 which is problematic if everytime I connect to the f'n WDS I end up being very stubbornly 10.0.0.2 and have no valid route or default gateway listed |
| 22:22.41 | nvz | goes to set it all back up and capture logs |
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| 22:30.51 | nvz | the only thing worse than something not working, is it magically working and having no idea what the problem was |
| 22:31.17 | nvz | I'm online, and can pull up both 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2 router config pages |
| 22:32.14 | nvz | now I suppose I can get to the more pressing task of installing optware and screen+irssi on the router itself |
| 22:32.32 | streuner | nvz: calm down |
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| 22:33.11 | mparodi | Hello |
| 22:33.23 | nvz | streuner: ;) its frustrating.. I swear these damn network appliances just go weird sometimes and the right combination of reboots and reconfiguration winds you up where you were 24hrs ago with different results |
| 22:33.25 | mparodi | is there a way to reconfigure the extra buttons I have in my wireless mouse |
| 22:33.39 | mparodi | I haven't seen any method/guide/app/whatever to do so |
| 22:33.43 | nvz | which is annoying because you have no clue how to troubleshoot future issues |
| 22:34.10 | nvz | just think, "well what I normally do is wiggle this, shake that, spin around three times, and clap my hands.. and it just works" |
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| 22:40.01 | jst_ | Anyone know how I can find out when deb-multimedia.org will have the updated MythTV packages? |
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| 22:40.18 | abrotman | jst_: we have no idea, it really has nothing to do with Debian |
| 22:40.25 | thewanderer1 | jst_: ask the maintainer? |
| 22:40.50 | jst_ | Whoops, meant to ask in #deb-multimedia. |
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| 22:47.32 | cardamon | I put Wheezy and XFCE on a roommates machine, and somehow she's turned off the window manager. |
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| 22:48.18 | cardamon | So nothing's getting decorated and I can't configure it through the Settings Manager. |
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| 22:50.49 | gnarface | cardamon: have things been uninstalled? |
| 22:51.25 | cardamon | I doubt it. Don't think so. |
| 22:51.27 | schrodinger | Schrodinger`Cat: back in your box and stop disrupting my hilight |
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| 22:51.45 | streuner | cardamon: whezzy and xfce just works perfectly here.... |
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| 22:52.35 | cardamon | streuner: No, this is definately operator error. |
| 22:52.44 | cardamon | I just don't just xfce so I don't know how to fix it. |
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| 22:54.00 | streuner | cardamon: xfce is just gnome2 |
| 22:54.54 | cardamon | Fantastically unhelpful, streuner. |
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| 22:55.26 | streuner | cardamon: true :-), but thats the truths... |
| 22:56.05 | streuner | cardamon: |
| 22:56.16 | streuner | cardamon: so what doesnt work? |
| 22:58.22 | cardamon | She's turned off the Window Mangager...or at least the decorations. Things pop up, but they're anchored top left, and can't be altered. |
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| 22:58.56 | cardamon | iceweasel is unsuable...menus close instantly in it...but only in it. |
| 22:59.23 | thibauts | Hi, I have started an apt-get upgrade and while starting configuration my connection died. How can I abort/restart the process ? |
| 22:59.27 | cardamon | The Window Manager/Window Tweaks Configuration panels in the Settings Manager come up blank. |
| 22:59.44 | thibauts | I'm upgrading a distant server via ssh |
| 23:00.10 | LtL | cardamon: metacity-message restart might work, it is metacity right? |
| 23:00.40 | streuner | cardamon: iceweasel is alwayse unusuable, if you dont have enought RAM/performance... |
| 23:00.43 | abrotman | cardamon: which iceweasel? |
| 23:01.12 | abrotman | cardamon: can you start a terminal? |
| 23:01.58 | streuner | cardamon: most important thing is always "pkill plugin-containe" ... ;-) |
| 23:02.05 | tharkun | cardamon: "iceweasel is unsuable...menus close instantly in it...but only in it." Could you tell me what usefull information to debug the problem is there? |
| 23:02.08 | themill | thibauts: don't suppose you ran it inside screen or tmux. Is it still running? |
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| 23:02.14 | abrotman | streuner: were you trying to help? or just ramble with your usual nonsense? |
| 23:03.17 | streuner | abrotman: in my experience with XFCE and iceweasel you can always pray, and in most cases you need to kill plugin-containe... |
| 23:03.33 | abrotman | guesses that's the latter |
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| 23:03.50 | streuner | for sure :-( |
| 23:04.05 | tharkun | thibauts: ps aux|grep apt <--- to see what is running, next time as themill pointed out using screen tmux or other terminal multiplexor should avoid this kind of trouble |
| 23:04.25 | cardamon | abrotman: Yeah, I'm noodling around now. trying to get xfwm4 --replace |
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| 23:04.55 | abrotman | mkay |
| 23:05.07 | cardamon | got it. |
| 23:05.22 | cardamon | Frustrated because I' mnot an xfce user. |
| 23:05.32 | LtL | cardamon: my mistake sorry, i thought it was metacity |
| 23:05.37 | cardamon | Do you know how to delete a session if she didn't mean to save it? |
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| 23:06.55 | thibauts | tharkun: I use tmux but I didn't anticipate this ... should i straight kill the process ? Won't I be left with a lock ? |
| 23:07.11 | thibauts | And an half broken upgrade process |
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| 23:09.09 | tharkun | thibauts: regain access to your terminal and you are all set |
| 23:09.21 | tharkun | apt-get is still running on your server |
| 23:09.46 | streuner | cardamon: i dont know what you talking about, but be always care when you use iceweasel |
| 23:09.55 | tharkun | if you lost the connection without it is hard to tell where the process left off. Try rerunning it on your server and look for error messages |
| 23:10.09 | abrotman | streuner: come on .. |
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| 23:10.52 | streuner | abrotman: tell me, if iam using xfce and iceweasel... :-) |
| 23:11.29 | streuner | abrotman: god helps you or not, if you using iceweasel and the wrong URL.... |
| 23:11.42 | abrotman | streuner: you're not speaking english |
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| 23:12.45 | cardamon | You're useless, streuner. |
| 23:13.30 | tharkun | cardamon: Even though you might be correct. You aren't entitled to that. You need supercow privilidges for that |
| 23:14.26 | erjk | HI. I have a problem with my webcam. It is listed but as inactive (gray) in System Settings -> Multimedia -> Video Capture. I have it connected. I used wheezy amd64. |
| 23:14.48 | tharkun | !tell erjk about debian-next |
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| 23:15.07 | abrotman | why? |
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| 23:15.30 | abrotman | erjk: have you looked through dmesg for possible errors or information ? |
| 23:15.48 | erjk | Yeah, but I don't get them. I will post you them in a moment. |
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| 23:16.23 | streuner | cardamon: i told you my experiences, if you take care or not, its your decision |
| 23:16.29 | erjk | http://paste.debian.net/196376/ |
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| 23:17.20 | cardamon | Your experiences were nonsensical FUD and irrelevant to a misbehaving WM. |
| 23:17.32 | mparodi | can I set something in /etc/modprobe.d/usbcore ? will Debian use it? |
| 23:17.54 | abrotman | cardamon: please use /ignore |
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| 23:18.00 | abrotman | mparodi: should |
| 23:18.09 | abrotman | erjk: and youre unplugging/replugging the camera? |
| 23:18.24 | erjk | No. It's plugged all the time. |
| 23:18.33 | abrotman | that's weird |
| 23:18.43 | abrotman | is it pluggged into a USB hub? or directly to the computer? |
| 23:19.07 | erjk | no. into monitor USB socket. |
| 23:19.21 | abrotman | erjk: can you try it directly in the computer? |
| 23:19.28 | mparodi | ok, I'll restart to see if anything has changed |
| 23:20.47 | erjk | Real shame I haven't done that before coming here, but still the same. It used to work on monitor USB perfectly well before. |
| 23:21.09 | abrotman | erjk: with the same OS? |
| 23:21.21 | erjk | Yes and no... |
| 23:21.39 | abrotman | falls over |
| 23:22.19 | erjk | I was using Debian for about 2 years, then switched to Fedora 2-3 months ago and came back to Debian just a week or two ago. I bought this camera about 4 months ago, so it used to work for a month on Debian, then on Fedora. After switching back to Debian, it doesn't. |
| 23:22.38 | tharkun | abrotman: Can't you understand it, perfectly clear. |
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| 23:22.49 | tharkun | erjk: Same release? |
| 23:22.49 | streuner | erjk: you are a changeling |
| 23:23.31 | erjk | What's a changeling? |
| 23:23.38 | abrotman | streuner: knock it off |
| 23:23.44 | erjk | I was using the same Debian before. |
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| 23:24.20 | abrotman | erjk: with the same WM/DE ? |
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| 23:24.37 | erjk | What is WM/DE? |
| 23:24.47 | erjk | yes |
| 23:25.08 | erjk | window manager/desktop environment, I guess |
| 23:25.18 | abrotman | it seems a bit of a hardware issue .. unless you're turning hte monitor off/on? and that's the unplug/replug |
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| 23:26.04 | erjk | Yes, I am doing that all the time, when I'm going from a computer. |
| 23:26.10 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 23:26.17 | erjk | Haven't though that this disonnect all the USB connected to it : P |
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| 23:26.33 | abrotman | have you checked permissions in /dev/ to make sure you'r ein the correct group ? |
| 23:26.46 | erjk | No. I'll do that now. |
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| 23:27.30 | baronobeefdip | hey what package do i need to install in order to have the mpi header files on my computer for MPI program development |
| 23:27.32 | erjk | crw-rw---T+ 1 root video 81, 0 paź 5 01:23 /dev/video0 |
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| 23:27.34 | erjk | is it good? |
| 23:27.44 | abrotman | erjk: right, in a console, type "groups |
| 23:27.46 | abrotman | erjk: right, in a console, type "groups" |
| 23:28.02 | erjk | I am in video group. |
| 23:28.05 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: probably depends which MPI implementation you're using |
| 23:28.27 | baronobeefdip | mpich2 |
| 23:28.48 | baronobeefdip | openmpi was installed from source on another system but I want a development environment |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: apt-cache search mpich .. look for a -dev package |
| 23:29.11 | abrotman | erjk: i'd maybve try as a new user .. |
| 23:29.22 | abrotman | erjk: or try a more basic program that accesses the device directly |
| 23:29.51 | erjk | What program could that be? |
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| 23:30.16 | erjk | In Skype I actually see a test image in video preferences, but when someone calls me, video isn't available. |
| 23:30.31 | abrotman | what is your DE ? |
| 23:30.31 | baronobeefdip | I don't think thats gonna work out since i have installed every possible development package and i ran the locate command to search for the mpi.h file and nothing comes up |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | !tell baronobeefdip about apt-file |
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| 23:30.49 | erjk | But it seems the camera is working, because in Skype preferences, the image is alright. |
| 23:31.06 | baronobeefdip | apt-file isn't a real command |
| 23:31.11 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 23:31.17 | abrotman | if you're going to argue, find it yourself |
| 23:31.18 | erjk | KDE |
| 23:31.18 | baronobeefdip | didn't work for me |
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| 23:31.51 | streuner | baronobeefdip: what kind of command do yo use? |
| 23:31.58 | baronobeefdip | apt-file |
| 23:32.07 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: read what the bot told you |
| 23:32.08 | streuner | thats all? |
| 23:32.19 | baronobeefdip | I want to know where all of the mpi header files are located when you install openmpi from source |
| 23:32.21 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: take two minutes, read for a change |
| 23:32.27 | abrotman | baronobeefdip: use apt-file |
| 23:32.46 | abrotman | erjk: moment |
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| 23:32.57 | erjk | abramart, alright |
| 23:33.37 | tharkun | abrotman: nice you got yourself a new nick :) |
| 23:33.38 | streuner | baronobeefdip: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:33.57 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:34.08 | abrotman | erjk: aptitude install xawtv .. see if that has fewer issues |
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| 23:35.44 | erjk | abramart, okay |
| 23:36.01 | streuner | abrotman: |
| 23:36.02 | abrotman | erjk: abro<tab> |
| 23:36.20 | erjk | looks like it's working |
| 23:36.30 | abrotman | erjk: so maybe a skype problem ? |
| 23:36.32 | erjk | I don't know why it is listed as gray in KDE preferences : ? |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | erjk: i'd try to create a new user, see if you have the same problem |
| 23:36.53 | erjk | abramart, Now I also think so. Looks like webcam is working alright. |
| 23:37.10 | erjk | abramart, Okay. Thank for your help. Very much. |
| 23:37.23 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:37.46 | streuner | erjk: abrotman :-) |
| 23:38.13 | erjk | Yes, that was to abrotman, not abramart : P : P |
| 23:38.31 | erjk | I'm laughing |
| 23:38.37 | streuner | good |
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| 23:51.04 | dioz | when was the ato/radeon driver added to wheezy? |
| 23:52.16 | Woet | does wget have some kind of cache? http://pastebin.com/4bh9Snht how to clear it? |
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| 23:53.05 | thewanderer1 | Woet: nscd -i hosts |
| 23:53.12 | thewanderer1 | nothing else I can think of |
| 23:53.19 | Woet | thewanderer1: that's the weird thing, the box doesn't have nscd |
| 23:54.12 | abrotman | Woet: round robin DNS ? |
| 23:54.16 | Woet | abrotman: nope |
| 23:54.23 | Woet | else host would have reported them both btw |
| 23:54.26 | abrotman | Woet: anytihng in /etc/hosts ? |
| 23:54.31 | Woet | abrotman: nope |
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| 23:54.38 | Woet | the DNS did change about 1 hour ago btw |
| 23:54.40 | tharkun | Woet: use dig instead of host |
| 23:54.49 | thewanderer1 | wget does not cache domain names |
| 23:54.55 | Woet | tharkun: same IP |
| 23:55.03 | Woet | thewanderer1: dig/host says the right one, wget uses the wrong one |
| 23:55.08 | tharkun | TTL? |
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| 23:55.20 | Woet | 3600 but it was changed before then |
| 23:55.32 | Woet | as in, more than 3600 seconds ago |
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| 23:56.57 | Woet | even a reboot doesn't clear it |
| 23:57.12 | Woet | curl/wget uses the wrong IP |
| 23:57.20 | Woet | hm, so does telnet |
| 23:57.29 | Woet | maybe because host/dig specifically query the host as far as I kno |
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| 23:57.46 | Woet | just changing the host file for now |
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| 23:58.37 | dioz | wget has -C doens't it ? |
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| 23:58.48 | dioz | wget -C no |
| 23:59.12 | abrotman | Woet: what's in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 23:59.23 | abrotman | they may use different resolver libraries? |
| 23:59.56 | dioz | dioz@bob2:~$ wget --help | grep cache --no-dns-cache disable caching DNS lookups. --no-cache disallow server-cached data. |