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| 00:00.45 | Woet | dioz: no difference weirdly enough |
| 00:00.55 | Woet | might just use /etc/hosts to override |
| 00:00.57 | Woet | and check back in a fewh ours |
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| 00:12.28 | dioz | there is definitely something wrong with the ati/radeon driver package in wheezy |
| 00:14.21 | dioz | if you apt-get upgrade while you have the driver from ati's website installed |
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| 00:32.13 | rainfyre_ | Hi everyone. Does Squeeze still have the flashplugin-nonfree package floating around somewhere? |
| 00:33.59 | thewanderer1 | it's in the repo, why wouldn't it be there? O.o |
| 00:34.13 | rainfyre | it's not showing up! |
| 00:34.27 | rainfyre | brb |
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| 00:35.03 | rainfyre | back |
| 00:35.37 | thewanderer1 | well, enable contrib |
| 00:35.40 | reuf | i have an image of 92x92px, and i need to resize it to 90x90px - how to with imagemagic? |
| 00:35.47 | rainfyre | thewanderer1: ok ok |
| 00:36.31 | rainfyre | thewanderer1: that was it :) thank you |
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| 00:43.12 | acu | hey guys - how can I configure two different VGA cards (one made by ATI [built in MB] the other one is a NVIDIA - in wheezy amd 64 ? - |
| 00:44.13 | acu | hello |
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| 00:44.17 | acu | anyone here ? |
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| 00:47.10 | nsadmin | acu, people are here... maybe none that specifically know how to do the two card thing |
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| 00:47.41 | nsadmin | acu, people are here... maybe none that specifically know how to do the two card thing |
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| 01:05.52 | happycrappy | Hi all, I'm about to setup a new home server and I was wondering if there is any reason why I should wait to install wheezy? In other words is there any benefit in installing squeeze to be upgraded to wheezy when it becomes stable in the next couple of months? |
| 01:06.25 | gnarface | happycrappy: security updates |
| 01:06.36 | gnarface | happycrappy: a decent installer |
| 01:06.56 | gnarface | happycrappy: (if you install squeeze, not wheezy, i mean) |
| 01:07.38 | nsadmin | happycrappy, what will you serve, to how many and from where? |
| 01:07.41 | nvz | happycrappy: if you're a gnome user you may wanna wait like 5 years to upgrade period |
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| 01:07.57 | nvz | cause gnome 3 is a crapfest I deem unusable |
| 01:08.21 | nsadmin | maybe a server won't have a gnome :) |
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| 01:08.36 | nvz | oh right.. missed that part |
| 01:08.36 | nsadmin | or maybe it will |
| 01:08.39 | happycrappy | gnarface: what do you mean by decent installer? and wouldn't I be getting security patches through the next couple of betas & rc's in wheezy? |
| 01:08.41 | happycrappy | nsadmin: just a home file server for about 4 people |
| 01:09.03 | happycrappy | nvz: i won't be installing a gui |
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| 01:09.39 | nvz | my general philosopy is when shit doesn't work install new software until it does, when it does work, keep the software you got until it doesn't |
| 01:09.46 | nsadmin | happycrappy, servers benefit from stability... having said that, you can relax with your use case. I would say that stable (or testing) will serve you well |
| 01:10.14 | happycrappy | nsadmin: to keep up with updates is as simple as apt-get update & upgrade? |
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| 01:10.27 | nsadmin | happycrappy, yes |
| 01:10.31 | happycrappy | nsadmin: * updates = newer betas & rc's |
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| 01:10.48 | nsadmin | no, you won't need those on a file server |
| 01:11.06 | happycrappy | nsadmin: ? |
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| 01:11.14 | primorialhobbit | I'd like to have a directory on my Linux boxes which is replicated or accessible on my laptop and my desktop, but my ISP blocks all incoming connections so I can't run any network-listening daemons on my computers (so e.g. no sshfs). I was thinking of just using something akin to github and a cronjob tor regularly sync, but that's kind of ugly. Anyone have a better solution? |
| 01:11.15 | nsadmin | I guess you want the server to just work? |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | happycrappy: you can install wheezy now, just make sure you keep your packages up to date |
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| 01:11.43 | happycrappy | thanks guys |
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| 01:12.33 | peterS | blocks ... all ... incoming ... connections? that's not an ISP, that's a TV provider |
| 01:12.55 | primorialhobbit | peterS: It's pretty lame, I'm behind my school's firewall |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | that's not an ISP |
| 01:13.16 | peterS | so at least you're only paying $50k / year for this service |
| 01:13.27 | primorialhobbit | abrotman: Ok, fair enough, I misspoke. |
| 01:13.47 | primorialhobbit | peterS: Not paying anything, grad school, fellowship :) |
| 01:13.54 | peterS | heh, ok |
| 01:14.14 | peterS | there's always gmailfs.... |
| 01:14.22 | nsadmin | the way I'm thinking, * you're not going to install a gui * this is to be a server * you won't need anything particularly new, just works * so: you may find it wholly inappropriate to install something that is being tested instead of something that's already been tested... hence, my vote for stable |
| 01:14.30 | primorialhobbit | gmailfs? I'm unfamiliar with this. |
| 01:14.38 | happycrappy | primorialhobbit: checkout www.aerofs.com it might be what you are looking for |
| 01:14.55 | peterS | it's a fuse-based filesystem that works by uploading and downloading email message bodies from one or more gmail accounts |
| 01:15.13 | primorialhobbit | peterS: Sounds like a cool hack |
| 01:15.24 | peterS | it was briefly popular back when gmail offered a whopping 1 GB of storage and that was actually bigger than your average USB flash disk |
| 01:15.38 | primorialhobbit | I'll look into gmailfs as well as aerofs |
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| 01:15.53 | abrotman | reverse ssh proxy? |
| 01:17.30 | CowboyNeal | what about dropbox? |
| 01:17.33 | CowboyNeal | that might work |
| 01:17.42 | primorialhobbit | Is there a dropboxfs? |
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| 01:17.58 | CowboyNeal | why does it need to be an fs? |
| 01:17.58 | primorialhobbit | (I'm not that familia with dropbox, all I've seen is a web interface) |
| 01:17.59 | peterS | pretty much exactly what dropbox is for, I take it. not that I've ever used any of those 'cloud storage' thingies. |
| 01:18.11 | CowboyNeal | you want a synced dir, right? |
| 01:18.12 | CowboyNeal | it does that |
| 01:18.17 | primorialhobbit | ah |
| 01:18.33 | nsadmin | primorialhobbit, do you want to "mount" something as part of putting this together? |
| 01:18.59 | primorialhobbit | nsadmin: That's not a requirement, no. I'm checking out dropbox now. |
| 01:19.50 | nsadmin | primorialhobbit, ok, so it could be explicit transfers? |
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| 01:20.03 | CowboyNeal | there's plenty other services that do the same thing too, dropbox is just the first that came to mind |
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| 01:20.54 | primorialhobbit | nsadmin: Yeah, it could. I suppose the only real requirement is that it needs to be a 'cloud storage' sort of deal -- all boxes are behind the school's firewall |
| 01:21.14 | gnarface | happycrappy: as far as i know wheezy has NO security support |
| 01:21.38 | nsadmin | primorialhobbit, so transfers will occur across the firewall? |
| 01:21.39 | gnarface | happycrappy: and the installer is broken often and badly |
| 01:22.12 | abrotman | it is? |
| 01:22.14 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:22.30 | abrotman | i'd hope the beta2 of the wheezy installer isn't broken often and badly |
| 01:22.39 | primorialhobbit | nsadmin: I can establish outgoing connections, yes. So something along the lines of dropbox would suffice (I have to admit I didn't really know what dropbox was before about 5 minutes ago) |
| 01:23.15 | nsadmin | primorialhobbit, so you got some new info :) |
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| 01:23.43 | nsadmin | it happens to the best of us :) |
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| 01:23.57 | primorialhobbit | nsadmin: Evidently ;) |
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| 01:24.46 | primorialhobbit | Thanks everyone for the assistance! |
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| 01:25.14 | nsadmin | primorialhobbit, in case you're interested, you can browse at packages.debian.org |
| 01:25.29 | nvz | primorialhobbit: dropbox has software.. I know for one thing it can integrate with the gnome nautilus filemanager.. its less of a traditional fuse filesystem and more of a custom app though I believe.. I can't remember its been awhile |
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| 01:27.30 | hasdf | dropbox creates a folder folder ~/dropbox and syncs it to "the cloud" and to all other machines you installed it on |
| 01:27.55 | hasdf | you don't need the nautilus integration as long as the deamon does his job |
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| 01:32.00 | break19 | dropbox makes a folder folder? .. I wonder.. is dropbox owned by Little Caesar's ? |
| 01:32.19 | dizzylizzy | can someone please recommend a visual network monitor similar to the network traffic portion of gnome-system-monitor, but perhaps more navigatable? |
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| 01:35.27 | hasdf | oh man :D I have to go to bead |
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| 01:40.25 | nmschulte | Hi all. I'm using the Wheeze D-I weekly installer. I want to setup encrypted volume, but the UI doesn't have 512 AES. I went to TTY2 and setup the partitions and etc w/ luks and dm-crypt. |
| 01:40.48 | nmschulte | When I go back to the partition to tell it to use my device mapper encrypted volumes, it wants me to make a partition table on them. |
| 01:41.23 | nmschulte | When I use the UI to set this up (with different encryption settings), the partition manager somehow knows that the device mapper devices don't need partition tables |
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| 01:42.20 | peterS | 512 bits? ye gods. Even if you can manage 4 bits of entropy per bytes, you'll have to type a 125-char passphrase before the passphrase isn't the weak link there |
| 01:42.31 | peterS | (and most people can't manage 4 bits of entropy) |
| 01:43.07 | nmschulte | peterS: cool. Thanks! |
| 01:43.15 | nmschulte | is serious |
| 01:43.36 | peterS | sorry I can't actually answer your question about d-i vs. command line setup |
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| 01:46.18 | r3m | ,v bitlbee |
| 01:46.19 | judd | Package: bitlbee on i386 -- lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.2.8-1; wheezy: 3.0.5-1.1; sid: 3.0.5-1.2 |
| 01:46.49 | nmschulte | peterS: Okay. So you don't know what magic the installer is doing differently? |
| 01:47.00 | nmschulte | Do you know how I can manually finish the installer goods from the CLI? |
| 01:47.19 | nmschulte | I changed to use 256 AES -- makes it faster anyway. |
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| 01:48.26 | nmschulte | my gods it's late. I'll pick this up tomorrow. Thanks folks! |
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| 01:53.25 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps can somebody pastebin a xorg.conf with dual screens pretty please i want to comper mine to something and the ones on the next only got pieces, i need to see a whole one.. |
| 01:53.48 | hasdf | sure 1min Eryn_1983_FL |
| 01:53.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
| 01:54.07 | Eryn_1983_FL | i am doing the epic batle with xbmc and xorg, |
| 01:54.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | battle |
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| 01:56.51 | hasdf | Eryn_1983_FL, http://paste.debian.net/196406/ |
| 01:57.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | ty |
| 01:57.13 | hasdf | not sure if it helps, config made with amdcccle |
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| 02:00.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | mine looks werid |
| 02:00.55 | Eryn_1983_FL | it only has one monitor in there and xinerama is turned off or was.. |
| 02:01.01 | Eryn_1983_FL | got any sugestions? |
| 02:01.08 | Eryn_1983_FL | i added a monitor while i was in it. |
| 02:01.16 | Eryn_1983_FL | http://sprunge.us/OLYB |
| 02:01.57 | hasdf | nvidia or amd? and official driver or open source? |
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| 02:03.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | nvidia |
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| 02:05.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | ok ok check this out peepers http://sprunge.us/RfKT |
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| 02:06.45 | hasdf | can't help. just remember my last nvidia card was easy to configure with the config-tool from nvidia |
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| 02:10.46 | awc737 | whats the best way to clone an entire OS from one hdd to another? |
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| 02:12.56 | wilee-nilee | awc737, You can make a cd with http://www.geekconnection.org/remastersys/ or use clonezilla depends somewhat on drivers I suspect as far as just running. |
| 02:13.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.31 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.43 | awc737 | thanks wilee-nilee , its the same machine so no driver issues. I want to backup the OS, replace HDD, and restore OS |
| 02:14.19 | awc737 | I don't have a CD drive, but I can put both in HDD at once if that helps |
| 02:14.59 | wilee-nilee | awc737, I would use clonezilla, has to be installed to a equal or bigger partition is all, but saves in packets |
| 02:15.44 | awc737 | the partition is smaller :/ but the used space on the current larger partition is small enough to fit on the smaller partition |
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| 02:17.03 | wilee-nilee | awc737, clonezilla is limited as I said, you can shrink the original if there is space to be a bit smaller then the new HD. |
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| 02:17.57 | wilee-nilee | awc737, clonezilla is the only cloner I really know there are others. |
| 02:18.08 | awc737 | yeah ill just shrink this partition then |
| 02:18.19 | awc737 | ill give it a shot, ive got clonezilla on a usb |
| 02:18.46 | awc737 | it should handle the cloning between 2 hard drives in one transaction? |
| 02:19.38 | wilee-nilee | awc737 2 hd I have never tried it is a per partition or a whole HD in the way I have used it, look at the site. |
| 02:19.50 | awc737 | k thanks |
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| 02:21.03 | wilee-nilee | awc737, there is a #clonezila channel only 8 users right now though. |
| 02:21.24 | awc737 | ill probably get it from the site / docs, thanks for your help |
| 02:21.47 | wilee-nilee | #clonezilla sorry |
| 02:21.57 | wilee-nilee | no problem |
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| 03:42.48 | mparodi | ok so... using http://quandtum.weebly.com/2/post/2012/03/how-to-change-mouse-button-functions-in-linux.html I could remap the buttons of my mouse |
| 03:43.41 | mparodi | but I can't assign whatever behavior I want. actually I would like to be able to remap the next/prev button as the left and right arrow |
| 03:43.47 | mparodi | do you think it's possible? |
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| 03:44.56 | Devastator | ,versions samba |
| 03:44.58 | judd | Package: samba on i386 -- lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny15; lenny-backports: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze8; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-2~bpo60+1; sid: 2:3.6.6-3; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-3; experimental: 2:3.6.8-1 |
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| 03:46.28 | mparodi | ,versions easystroke |
| 03:46.29 | judd | No package named 'easystroke' was found in i386. |
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| 03:50.00 | simonlnu | mparodi: binding those keys with setxkbmap |
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| 03:55.57 | FlaNe` | .versions xchat |
| 03:56.42 | simonlnu | comma |
| 03:57.09 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 03:57.15 | simonlnu | hi |
| 03:57.19 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
| 03:57.23 | hellyeah | finally my flash player works great |
| 03:57.40 | EasyAsPie | ok |
| 03:58.00 | EasyAsPie | u watching porno? |
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| 04:06.02 | EasyAsPie | ? |
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| 04:13.20 | rawburt | weird thing here... I change the group on a file to nagios, then I save the file as root and it goes back to group root. any idea why? I'm using gedit over SCP. |
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| 04:13.56 | rawburt | using nano, this does not happen. |
| 04:17.16 | peterS | rawburt: probably because, for safety, most editors save a file by writing a new file then renaming the new on top of the old. This is safer than writing your old file directly - what if the save operation gets interrupted by an OS crash or an out-of-memory or out-of-disk condition? |
| 04:17.51 | peterS | rawburt: by writing the new file separately, if anything goes wrong, you still have your old file. if you just overwrite the old file directly, you might end up with half a file |
| 04:18.14 | Sidnicious_ | Hi, I'm trying to install wheezy using a USB stick. I catted boot.img.gz onto the stick, mounted it, and then copied an installation iso, debian-wheezy-DI-b2-amd64-netinst.iso, to the root of the volume. I boot the box and start an installation. It gets to the "searching drives for an installer ISO image" stage, skips through a bunch of unformatted drives, and stops on "scanning /dev/sde (in /).". It gets stuck there. I just left it for |
| 04:18.14 | Sidnicious_ | about a half an hour, and it hasn't budged. Any ideas? |
| 04:18.28 | Sidnicious_ | rawburt: related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/199167 |
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| 04:19.20 | peterS | Sidnicious: I don't know what your boot.img.gz stuff is about - the usual thing to do is just cat netinst.iso onto the USB stick instead |
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| 04:19.32 | rawburt | hmm |
| 04:19.50 | peterS | the installer images are built, these days, in a 'hybrid' mode that supports booting either as a CD or as disk media |
| 04:19.52 | rawburt | I see... |
| 04:19.58 | rawburt | thanks peterS and Sidnicious |
| 04:20.05 | rawburt | apparently Gedit is lame. |
| 04:20.27 | sadtaco | I've been needing to install dtrace for Debian but it seems that crisp.dyndns-server.com has been down for days. Does anyone happen to know anything about it? |
| 04:20.31 | Sidnicious | peterS: I'm following the instructions at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-easy |
| 04:20.36 | Sidnicious | But, cool, lemme try that. |
| 04:20.44 | peterS | rawburt: the best way to make sure a new file gets the group you want it to get is to use the setgid bit on the directory. chgrp the directory then 'chmod g+s' it, then all new files in there will inherit the group. |
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| 04:21.31 | peterS | Sidnicious: you're reading section 4.3.2, look at section 4.3.1 (: |
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| 04:21.48 | peterS | anyway I don't know why following the instructions in 4.3.2 wouldn't work, but I have never tried that |
| 04:22.01 | Sidnicious | heh |
| 04:22.06 | rawburt | peterS: thanks |
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| 04:23.56 | peterS | Sidnicious: as an aside, I don't really know why whoever wrote the manual suggests 'cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX' instead of, as I think is slightly simpler, 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX'. In fact the two are equivalent. |
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| 04:25.00 | peterS | maybe it's because of all those people out there who alias cp='cp -i', which might then cause an annoying prompt |
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| 04:28.07 | Sidnicious | oh, man. I didn't know that you could target a block device with cp. |
| 04:28.14 | Sidnicious | That's pretty darn crazy |
| 04:28.37 | peterS | cp just opens the output file, writes data, closes. nothing complicated about why it works with devices |
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| 04:29.42 | peterS | or, to put it another way, cp would have to go out of its way to _not_ work with devices. And it doesn't, so it does. |
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| 04:33.16 | simonlnu | hi peterS |
| 04:33.24 | peterS | hey simon |
| 04:33.31 | Sidnicious | btw, dumping the iso to the stick seems to be working awesomely, thanks! |
| 04:33.55 | peterS | Sidnicious: cool - I still can't answer your original question but afaik the iso is how most people do it anyway |
| 04:34.13 | Sidnicious | heh, fair enough |
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| 04:41.36 | Sidnicious | Side question: my name has a non-ascii character in it, and I have a US keyboard. How do I type it? |
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| 04:42.18 | Sidnicious | If the answer is "the installer doesn't roll like that, you'll have to fix it later," fine. Just curious. |
| 04:42.54 | Sidnicious | I'm hella spoiled on OS X. |
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| 04:49.22 | peterS | Sidnicious: yeah pretty sure the answer is, at the beginning of the install phase, to pick a keyboard layout that supports your name. Failing that ... yeah, probably have to fix it later |
| 04:50.07 | peterS | or should I call you SidnÃcious |
| 04:51.06 | simonlnu | compose key |
| 04:51.14 | peterS | yes but does that work in d-i |
| 04:51.37 | simonlnu | hmm, good question |
| 04:52.01 | peterS | I mean, maybe it does, but he probably still has to pick a keyboard layout that includes a compose key in the first place, which the US layout probably doesn't |
| 04:52.13 | simonlnu | yeh |
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| 04:53.05 | Sidnicious | peterS: hehe |
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| 04:54.33 | rainfyre | I'm hella spoiled on squeeze.. |
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| 05:19.22 | rawburt | you know, if Gedit wouldn't fuck up permissions it'd be super valuable right now... super valuable. |
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| 05:26.50 | msx | rawburt: why in the world gedit would screw-up any file permissions? |
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| 05:50.28 | sadtaco | How do i reinstall something from apt-get using the package maintainers config? In this case it's mysql |
| 05:50.40 | nsadmin | if I want a date from another tz, would I "TZ=something" date" |
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| 05:51.24 | nsadmin | when I do that, I get utc time |
| 05:52.56 | bolt | sadtaco: there's probably a faster way, but... apt-get remove --purge mysql && apt-get install mysql ? |
| 05:53.08 | bolt | sadtaco: (backup your existing config files first) |
| 05:53.11 | sadtaco | I think that might delete my tables? |
| 05:53.42 | bolt | sadtaco: it shouldn't remove data. but you should have a backup of those anyway :) |
| 05:53.50 | EasyAsPie | hi |
| 05:53.52 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
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| 05:53.57 | sadtaco | Not a recent one :x |
| 05:54.13 | nsadmin | EasyAsPie, hi. welcome to debian support |
| 05:54.24 | EasyAsPie | ty |
| 05:54.27 | EasyAsPie | how r u |
| 05:54.46 | rawburt | msx: cannot explain it, but it does. |
| 05:54.50 | bolt | EasyAsPie: do you have a question? :) |
| 05:54.58 | EasyAsPie | yes |
| 05:55.06 | sadtaco | and "apt-get install --reinstall mysql-common" isn't even giving me the option to replace my configs.. |
| 05:55.08 | rawburt | msx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/199167 |
| 05:55.30 | sadtaco | When I try to /etc/init.d/mysql start I'm getting "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 05:55.30 | sadtaco | " |
| 05:55.44 | EasyAsPie | how r u? |
| 05:55.51 | bolt | sadtaco: if you're scared of my previous solution, you could download the package with apt and just extract it |
| 05:56.06 | sadtaco | Well, the core issue is that right there. |
| 05:56.16 | sadtaco | I was hoping using default configs and such would fix it |
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| 05:56.41 | bolt | EasyAsPie: you can't ask 1132 people how they are, or you'd be flooded offline. just assume people are fine and ask your debian related question :) ..or try #debian-offtopic |
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| 05:56.58 | AlexLikeRock | i guys |
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| 05:57.04 | bolt | i girls |
| 05:57.20 | nsadmin | EasyAsPie, we're good... do you want to ask about your debian installation? |
| 05:57.23 | EasyAsPie | oh i don't have debian question |
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| 05:57.44 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.52 | AlexLikeRock | and the problem continue |
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| 05:58.13 | bolt | AlexLikeRock: who are "they"? your browser? |
| 05:58.20 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 05:58.24 | AlexLikeRock | nop |
| 05:58.26 | AlexLikeRock | sorry |
| 05:58.30 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:59.02 | AlexLikeRock | i see the options , tools , etc .etc |
| 05:59.33 | EasyAsPie | sorry |
| 05:59.37 | bolt | !install java |
| 05:59.38 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea6-plugin (squeeze) or icedtea-plugin (wheezy) package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>. |
| 05:59.43 | nsadmin | EasyAsPie, you might like #debian-offtopic or #defocus |
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| 06:00.40 | AlexLikeRock | i don like , because they have problems with security |
| 06:00.45 | AlexLikeRock | :-( |
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| 06:01.44 | bolt | browsers generally do |
| 06:02.17 | bolt | they are exposed to absolutely random and malicious code all day |
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| 06:03.21 | AlexLikeRock | do you now a cofig "to set default open-java" |
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| 06:03.42 | msx | rawburt: but that's on ubuntu, not debian |
| 06:03.51 | AlexLikeRock | some months ago i do some like that to make work Jdownloader |
| 06:03.53 | msx | rawburt: you confirm the same behaviour on debian? |
| 06:03.54 | bolt | AlexLikeRock: disabling java for all pages that don't need it is likely a good start. running the browser as a separate user, in a vm, or on a different machine alltogether is probably better |
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| 06:04.56 | rawburt | msx: yes |
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| 06:05.11 | rawburt | msx: for the record, Ubutu is just modified Debian. |
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| 06:05.24 | rawburt | s/Ubutu/Ubuntu/ |
| 06:05.29 | msx | rawburt: not exactly |
| 06:05.30 | bolt | rawburt: modified in ways we cannot predict or support, that is |
| 06:05.36 | rawburt | msx: prove it. |
| 06:06.02 | AlexLikeRock | good idea bolt |
| 06:06.07 | rawburt | AFAIK, each Ubuntu release is based on Debian unstable. |
| 06:06.37 | msx | while they base their distribution in debian they _heavily_ customize it to the point most modern ubuntu's .deb files aren't debian compatible |
| 06:06.41 | rawburt | whatever unstable is when they start. |
| 06:06.42 | msx | and backwards |
| 06:06.59 | bolt | rawburt: the default position is to disbelieve a claim. you're making the claim that ubuntu is a modified version of debian, you have the burden of proof. i actually happen to agree with your statement, but that doesn't mean ubuntu will in any way behave like debian in any given situation |
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| 06:07.14 | rawburt | msx: how does what you've just said dispute |
| 06:07.17 | rawburt | "01:05 < rawburt> msx: for the record, Ubutu is just modified Debian." |
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| 06:07.28 | nsadmin | rawburt, I thought they used testing now |
| 06:07.39 | rawburt | bolt: agreed sir. |
| 06:07.54 | rawburt | nsadmin: whatever it is, yeah. |
| 06:08.24 | msx | rawburt: try to run ubuntu's ppas on debian and let me know :D |
| 06:08.46 | nsadmin | rawburt, I think it changed from taking unstable to taking testing in the last year |
| 06:08.48 | bolt | AlexLikeRock: don't expect open-java to be watertight just because it's not widespread enough for mainstream media to report on its security issues |
| 06:08.49 | rawburt | msx: still |
| 06:09.19 | msx | rawburt: nope, still nothing. debian is debina and ubuntu is debian *based* which _clearly_ isn't the same thing |
| 06:10.03 | rawburt | msx: whereas bolt is right, I have the burden of proof. however I'm not supplying it, can you supply it for your claim msx? |
| 06:10.44 | rawburt | "debian is debina and ubuntu is debian *based* which _clearly_ isn't the same thing" |
| 06:11.18 | rawburt | I don't remember saying "it's the same thing" until I quoted within this very sentence. |
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| 06:11.46 | rawburt | msx: you a Ubuntu fanboy? |
| 06:11.58 | rawburt | s/a/an/ |
| 06:12.37 | msx | rawburt: no i'm not but i like ubuntu over debian - it's years ahead |
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| 06:12.46 | msx | now, reading the log... |
| 06:13.01 | rawburt | years ahead? |
| 06:13.06 | bolt | oh come on. don't start a distro war... |
| 06:13.07 | rawburt | that seems unmeasurable, msx. |
| 06:13.12 | msx | "rawburt | msx: for the record, Ubutu is just modified Debian." |
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| 06:13.24 | msx | seems i just missed the word "modified" lol |
| 06:13.30 | rawburt | msx: ah |
| 06:13.37 | msx | indeed yes, ubuntu is a modified debian |
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| 06:14.08 | rawburt | msx: glad we had this talk |
| 06:14.12 | msx | bolt: lol, that wasn't my intention, i'm sorry :) |
| 06:14.28 | rawburt | msx: it happens, I'll probably do it in the next 5 minutes. |
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| 06:15.03 | AlexLikeRock | bolt sorry don undertand :-( and google , don translate so good :-S |
| 06:15.16 | rawburt | AlexLikeRock: learn English? |
| 06:15.44 | AlexLikeRock | any way . tanks i will seach a pluguin for a iceaweaseal to block JAVA |
| 06:15.51 | msx | [trolling]in fact i even don't use debian nor ubuntu but lot of my buddies do - and that's something like a mistery for me[/trolling] |
| 06:16.02 | msx | nevermind, peace! |
| 06:16.16 | rawburt | msx: blaphemy! |
| 06:16.16 | AlexLikeRock | excep on my webcam-page |
| 06:16.33 | rawburt | msx: you will burn in Linux hell. |
| 06:16.35 | msx | rawburt: lol, it's late here, just a little trolling =) |
| 06:17.14 | rawburt | alright folks, I'm out! |
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| 07:08.25 | Eagleman | E: Unable to locate package ldapsearch |
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| 07:09.42 | thewanderer1 | ,file ldapsearch |
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| 07:22.02 | Eagleman | I've made a replication ldap server and i can see user in the database under /var/lib/ldap/ but when i type id username it is not returning everyone |
| 07:22.19 | nyuszika7h | ugh |
| 07:22.25 | nyuszika7h | gcc-snapshot's maintainer is stupid |
| 07:22.29 | nyuszika7h | why the hell does it depend on GTK |
| 07:22.41 | nyuszika7h | I *don't want* X11 on my server, okay? |
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| 07:23.02 | nyuszika7h | I mean libgtk-pixbuf-whatever |
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| 07:25.04 | babilen | nyuszika7h: I guess some functionality depends on GTK (e.g. java/awt/dnd/GtkMouseDragGestureRecognizer.h) -- Have you read the package description? |
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| 07:25.18 | nyuszika7h | babilen, that's just plain stupid |
| 07:25.42 | nyuszika7h | I will NOT install X11 libs on my server just because gcc-snapshot is stupid enough to depend on it |
| 07:25.49 | nyuszika7h | I'll just stay with gcc 4.7 and clang |
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| 07:25.59 | babilen | Well, then don't install gcc-snapshot but a more suitable pacakge |
| 07:26.30 | babilen | gcc-snapshot is AFAICT *not* meant as a gcc-most-recent-snv-trunk-that-is-usable |
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| 07:30.42 | lilibox | hi |
| 07:31.20 | lilibox | i would like to know packages names need for vlm2 installation |
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| 07:35.32 | lilibox | does anybody is willing fix this problem: http://pastebin.com/5wyWGZQe |
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| 07:43.13 | babilen | lilibox: Are the dm_mod and dm_crypt modules loaded? (lsmod|grep dm_) |
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| 07:43.49 | lilibox | seem no |
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| 07:44.21 | bolt | lilibox: try loading them? |
| 07:44.23 | babilen | lilibox: You might want to load dm_mod with "modprobe dm_mod" |
| 07:44.49 | babilen | lilibox: The error message was also quite explicit about the underlying problem ;) |
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| 07:45.03 | babilen | wonders why those modules weren't loaded though |
| 07:45.27 | lilibox | as i said, i fixed it by installing vlm2 core year ago or soo when i used it first time |
| 07:46.02 | lilibox | i am not linux user, soo sorry, for my infantile questions :) |
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| 07:46.23 | lilibox | soo, my problem fixed |
| 07:46.51 | babilen | lilibox: What's vlm2 ? |
| 07:46.54 | lilibox | but do i need load manualy this module each time system reset? |
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| 07:47.49 | lilibox | babilen: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 07:48.03 | babilen | Ah, LVM :) |
| 07:48.22 | lilibox | damn,,, sorry, yes |
| 07:49.10 | babilen | lilibox: You could add them to /etc/modules |
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| 07:53.05 | lilibox | thank you i added dm_mod under line with word loop, there is nothing more yet, is it ok? |
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| 08:03.57 | bullgard4 | [wheezy] How can I add a Xfce4 menu item »Miscellaneous«? (It exists on one of my Xfce4 computers but not on another.) |
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| 08:04.53 | babilen | bullgard4: Is the application installed that is listed in the misc menu on both boxes? |
| 08:04.54 | bassliner | hi - i have a debian stable installation where i can login via gdm but then the keyboard won't work anymore (numlock can't be enabled and i can't switch to a tty either) and i can't type anything. any hint where to look? thanks. |
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| 08:07.22 | babilen | bassliner: It might help to know which desktop environment, window manager you log into. Please also paste ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:07.43 | bullgard4 | babilen: There are several applications installed on both boxes which are shown only on one computer under the menu item »Miscellaneous«. The menu item »Miscellaneous« exists only on one computer. <- This is my problem. |
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| 08:10.08 | lilibox | everything works fine, thank you guys for your services :) |
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| 08:17.49 | bassliner | babilen: gnome desktop. when disabling gdm3 and just starting an xterm from xinitrc of a user i can type btw. |
| 08:17.54 | bassliner | babilen: let me grab logs. |
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| 08:29.26 | Elia | hey |
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| 08:41.18 | McClein | hi, how can i tell my vpn what is the external and internal ip? |
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| 08:44.26 | blazemore | How can I get the latest Firefox/iceweasel in Squeeze? I've installed from squeeze-backports but I've only got 10.0.7 |
| 08:44.57 | ansgar | blazemore: mozilla.debian.net has other versions. |
| 08:45.24 | blazemore | "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ squeeze-backports iceweasel-release" is what I was looking for |
| 08:45.27 | blazemore | Thanks :) |
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| 08:49.20 | Zitter | hi, I've set timezone using tzselect. After logout/login it works but it doesn't work for crontab! It backups data using %H in filename, but of course, %H is not in correct timezone. Any hint on how to adjust it? |
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| 08:51.13 | nevyn | zitter did you run tzselect asroot? |
| 08:51.14 | babilen | !tell Zitter -about timezone |
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| 08:52.09 | nevyn | ^^better^^ |
| 08:53.23 | blazemore | That still is only firefox 10 |
| 08:54.40 | nkuttler | blazemore: well stable is stable. it doesn't come with the latest stuff.. |
| 08:55.07 | blazemore | yeah but I'm happy to backport |
| 08:55.13 | blazemore | I'm only running squeeze for Gnome 2 |
| 08:55.17 | blazemore | I've backported the kernel and x |
| 08:55.25 | babilen | blazemore: blazemore http://mozilla.debian.net has iceweasel 15 -- http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/squeeze-backports/iceweasel-release/binary-amd64/Packages |
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| 08:55.45 | babilen | blazemore: Please paste your sources.list along with "apt-cache policy iceweasel" to http://paste.debian.net |
| 08:55.51 | Zitter | babilen, thanks |
| 08:55.57 | babilen | np |
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| 08:57.20 | blazemore | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/196472/ |
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| 08:58.19 | blazemore | Oh it works now I removed everything except "main" from the end of the backports line |
| 08:58.25 | babilen | blazemore: Run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install iceweasel" and marvel at the magic that turns IW 10 into IW 15 |
| 08:58.27 | bassliner | is there an easy way to list files of an installed package without the need to install apt-file? |
| 08:58.39 | Sm0ke0ut | dpkg -l |
| 08:58.39 | dpkg | Files in package sm0ke0ut-pr0n: /srv/sm0ke0ut-pr0n/sm0ke0ut.jpg |
| 08:58.46 | nkuttler | bassliner: dpkg -L package, /msg dpkg search |
| 08:58.58 | bassliner | ah, -L not -l, thanks. |
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| 09:00.35 | future28 | Hey guys, turned my laptop on today (squeeze 64 bit) and my keyboard works until I am logged in as my user, which it is then disabled (although function keys still work0 |
| 09:00.40 | future28 | Any idea how to fix this? |
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| 09:02.25 | future28 | my xorg.conf file is non existant; |
| 09:02.52 | future28 | I tried generating one but X wont display. Also, my keyboard works in the command line |
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| 09:04.08 | babilen | !tell future28 -about empty xorg.conf |
| 09:04.17 | babilen | !tell future28 -about xorg.conf.d |
| 09:04.42 | babilen | future28: Not sure -- But it would help if you let us take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:04.53 | future28 | Could I paste you my logfile? |
| 09:05.14 | babilen | future28: http://paste.debian.net would be the best place for that |
| 09:05.16 | Shadur | !tell future28 about pastebin |
| 09:05.33 | future28 | Yeah, I mean you will take a look at it for me though? |
| 09:06.08 | Shadur | I think that's implied with babilen's previous comment. |
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| 09:06.30 | future28 | Oh right, silly |
| 09:06.31 | future28 | haha |
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| 09:07.53 | babilen | future28: I will get a coffee, but luckily there are 115? other people around .. |
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| 09:08.22 | future28 | Sure, where is the /.xsession-errors? |
| 09:08.39 | Shadur | Not /.xsession-errors, ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:08.48 | Shadur | The preceding tilde is important. |
| 09:09.09 | future28 | Sorry, here's the Xorg.0.log |
| 09:09.11 | future28 | http://paste.debian.net/196475/ |
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| 09:10.34 | Shadur | Question of my own: I work at an ISP, and we're starting to bring up our IPv6 infrastructure. However, it turns out that our linux routers, when given IPv6 addresses and enabled forwarding, start automatically giving out routable IPv6 addresses to every system behind them. While that's potentially useful, it's really not what we want them to do right now. Unfortunately so far I've been looking in vain for the correct flag in /proc to make them stop doin |
| 09:10.45 | future28 | Here are the errors; http://paste.debian.net/196476/ |
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| 09:12.03 | kjalil | hello, I am having trouble installing a KVM VM of squeeze on a squeeze host using virt-install and preseeding, should I ask about that here or in a diff channel? |
| 09:12.12 | Dagger2 | Shadur: cut off at "them stop doin" |
| 09:12.38 | Dagger2 | but that's not a sysctl; you need to run a separate RA daemon (typically radvd) to send RAs |
| 09:13.00 | babilen | future28: On that hardware you *definitely* want to install a newer kernel and xorg from backports or upgrade to wheezy (development branch) -- See "/msg dpkg bdo", "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" and "/msg dpkg bdo xorg" for details on how to upgrade the kernel and xorg. You have to reboot into the new kernel before you upgrade Xorg. I consider this to be the easier/safer option. The upgrade to wheezy is detailed in "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" |
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| 09:14.16 | babilen | future28: One more thing: You will, most likely, need firmware for some of your hardware and you have to install that from backports as well. For that to work you need to use a deb line for backports that ends in "main contrib non-free" as opposed to the one that ends in "main" which is given on the backports website. |
| 09:14.38 | future28 | Okay, I might need to do a little research |
| 09:14.43 | future28 | how long do you think that'd take me to do? |
| 09:14.58 | babilen | future28: Once you've done that install, at least, firmware-linux-nonfree from backports with "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree" |
| 09:15.42 | babilen | future28: Well, it depends on how familiar you are with Debian and Linux. It really shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes and I expect it to be done in less. (assuming you have a decent network connection) |
| 09:16.11 | future28 | I do indeed, I have never done this before though, been using linux for a while so I am confident that I could do it if I had the steps |
| 09:16.17 | future28 | I'll have a quick look around |
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| 09:17.32 | future28 | Oh wow, seems simple |
| 09:18.02 | future28 | So all I have to do is add the line to my sources file and then update? |
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| 09:18.55 | babilen | future28: Ok, enable backports as detailed on http://backports-master.debian.org/Instructions/ but use "deb http://bac.... squeeze-backports main contrib non-free" (essentially add "contrib non-free" at the end). After you executed "apt-get update" to update your package lists you can install a new kernel with the command in "/msg dpkg bdo kernel" |
| 09:18.59 | sander__ | hey everyone. Is there a generic linux way (with ldd/ldconfig/other bash tools, not dpkg, apt, etc) to find the location of a library file (if it is installed)? I want to know specifically the location of libhunspell-1.3.so.0 |
| 09:19.45 | babilen | future28: The installation of a newer Xorg is detailed on http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html |
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| 09:20.21 | future28 | thanks babilen, doing the kernel as we speak |
| 09:20.23 | babilen | future28: IIRC you have to reboot into your new kernel in order to make Xorg happy, so do that beforehand |
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| 09:21.22 | future28 | so reboot once new kernel, then do the xorg, right? |
| 09:21.30 | babilen | future28: The main problem with your hardware is that it is an Optimus Nvidia card, which means that you have an Intel and an Nvidia one. The Xorg and kernel version in backports has reasonable support for the Intel card, but getting the NVIDIA one to work might be tricky/impossible/... |
| 09:21.35 | babilen | future28: yeah, exactly |
| 09:22.08 | future28 | babilen, I had already spent numerous hours trying to get this nvidia card to work with no such luck |
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| 09:22.28 | babilen | future28: I am not sure if that helps with your keyboard, but it should *at least* have better support for your hardware. |
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| 09:23.08 | future28 | Cool, the kernel is already done? |
| 09:23.12 | future28 | That was fast.. |
| 09:23.21 | Eagleman | I am unable to acces my samba share, and i have no idea why, this is my smb.conf file: http://pastebin.com/XfVJcpj3 |
| 09:24.14 | babilen | future28: You can install the nvidia dkms drivers from backports and play with bumblebee, but I am not sure how well that works these days |
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| 09:24.24 | Eagleman | configuration information could not be read from the domain controller either because the machine |
| 09:24.47 | future28 | babilen, some file appears in the terminal upon accepting the kernel install, what is it? |
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| 09:26.50 | future28 | nevermind, it was just some details |
| 09:26.55 | babilen | future28: Could you elaborate on what you mean by "some file appears in the terminal" -- How does it appear? What is the name .... |
| 09:26.58 | babilen | hehe |
| 09:27.19 | future28 | also, you could see all of my hardware from that paste? I only had a breif look.. |
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| 09:28.32 | babilen | future28: If it is a prompt you can exit it with "q" -- I could see information about your graphic hardware, not everything. For everything I would have to see "lspci -nn". You can also use hardware compatibility lists such as http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ into which you paste the output of "lspci -n" |
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| 09:29.12 | future28 | Oh right |
| 09:29.16 | future28 | Well I finished now |
| 09:29.21 | future28 | but I need about 6 firmware thingds |
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| 09:29.26 | future28 | Should I do this now? |
| 09:29.38 | future28 | Where can I aquire and how can I install these? |
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| 09:31.03 | future28 | r8169: rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw,rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw,rtl_nic/rtl8168e-1.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw, rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw |
| 09:31.03 | babilen | future28: You can install firmware by installing the package in question. As you use a kernel from backports you need to install firmware from backports as well. Could you paste the output about those "6 firmware things" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 09:31.21 | future28 | Oh I already did just above since it wasn't large ^ |
| 09:31.29 | future28 | babilen ^ |
| 09:31.37 | babilen | future28: Ah, ok. That is realtek firmware. I would run "apt-get -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-realtek" and you should be fine. |
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| 09:32.19 | future28 | Now, reboot! |
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| 09:32.40 | future28 | I'll be back shortly, could you send me the xorg dpkg thing once I'm back? |
| 09:33.52 | XeeNa | Two identical nodes, both having a symlink from one directory to another, but outpu from ls -l on the first gives me me the entire content of the directory to which i made a symlink, on th eother node, the outpu is just showing the symlink..? Anyone cares to give me a hand? |
| 09:34.51 | _strog | hi people, my friend has installed a basic debian (console only) with the german language, meaning that I get the german feedback when I enter "apt-get install mc" for instance. how can I change that to english? |
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| 09:35.38 | future28 | Hey, it seems to be working fine |
| 09:35.39 | streuner_ | _strog: /msg dpkg locales |
| 09:35.43 | future28 | my keyboard is still shot though |
| 09:36.01 | future28 | bdo xorg |
| 09:36.03 | Nik05 | hey guys |
| 09:36.06 | future28 | oop sorry |
| 09:36.29 | Nik05 | on sid linux-image-amd64 depends on linux-image-3.2.0-3-amd64 |
| 09:36.38 | Nik05 | but that package is obsolete |
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| 09:36.54 | Nik05 | is this a little bug? |
| 09:37.17 | future28 | babilen; Now what? I had to do something with xorg? |
| 09:38.43 | _strog | streuner_: you probably mean "locale" or? |
| 09:39.22 | streuner_ | !+tell _strog -about locales |
| 09:39.23 | dpkg | told _strog about locales. |
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| 09:40.28 | babilen | future28: Hmm, do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 09:40.55 | future28 | I'm just running those updates now, one sec |
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| 09:41.25 | future28 | babilen, I do not have one, no |
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| 09:42.08 | future28 | I want to reboot X now I updated it all |
| 09:42.13 | future28 | So i will be back shortly |
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| 09:42.20 | Nik05 | ctrl alt backspace |
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| 09:43.20 | future28 | Yeah, keyboard is still diabled |
| 09:43.30 | future28 | Very painful |
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| 09:44.33 | future28 | Can I somehow generate a generic xorg.conf? |
| 09:44.48 | streuner_ | use a live-CD |
| 09:45.19 | c0rnel | X -configure ? |
| 09:45.21 | future28 | Put the debian live cd in, then copy the file to a usb, then back over? |
| 09:45.31 | babilen | future28: Paste your Xorg log and ~/.xsession-errors to http://paste.debian.net again please. Does the keyboard work in the display manager? (i.e. Can you enter your password?) |
| 09:45.42 | future28 | Yeah I can enter my pass! |
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| 09:45.55 | c0rnel | X -configure will make a xorg.conf.new in $CWD |
| 09:46.00 | babilen | future28: Well, that means that the keyboard is working in X |
| 09:46.13 | c0rnel | current working directory |
| 09:46.14 | future28 | Also, the usb keyboard (in which I am using right now) was also disabled, so I unplugged/plugged back in and it worked again (after login) |
| 09:46.25 | babilen | future28: You typically neither want nor need a xorg.conf -- I guess it must be GNOME or whatever desktop environment you use that messes with this. |
| 09:46.40 | future28 | My keyboard? |
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| 09:47.02 | babilen | future28: You use a USB keyboard that is plugged into a laptop with its own keyboard? |
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| 09:47.12 | future28 | I have to right now (to type to you) |
| 09:47.21 | future28 | Since my laptop keyboard is disabled |
| 09:47.40 | babilen | So the USB keyboard works but not the internal one? |
| 09:48.44 | future28 | Okay so the internal one worked to type my pass in, then it was disabled. The usb keyboard also was working at that time, and was also disabled once I had entered my password and logged in. However, i unplugged it and plugged it back in, and it was enabled again |
| 09:49.13 | babilen | Which desktop environment do you use? |
| 09:49.14 | future28 | Which is why I am currently using it to talk to you (so I can hopefully fix my laptops keyboard) |
| 09:49.30 | future28 | Gnome 2.30.2 |
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| 09:50.23 | babilen | future28: But I have to leave soon/now -- I would recommend to take a look at GNOME's keyboard configuration, paste ~/.xsession-errors your Xorg.0.log and try a different DE/window manager (such as fluxbox) ... |
| 09:50.41 | future28 | Alright, thanks |
| 09:50.48 | future28 | also, thanks for helping me upfdate! |
| 09:51.14 | babilen | future28: And you see the same behaviour if the USB keyboard is *not* plugged in at all. (Same behaviour == "Works during boot and in gdm3, but is "disabled" in Gnome) |
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| 09:52.45 | future28 | yes |
| 09:52.49 | future28 | That's right |
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| 09:54.11 | babilen | future28: That sounds like a problem with Gnome -- Try fluxbox for example and with a completely new user (e.g. "adduser test") |
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| 09:54.19 | babilen | bbl |
| 09:55.04 | future28 | Cheers |
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| 09:58.53 | future28 | babilen, still around? |
| 09:59.05 | future28 | I solved my problem |
| 09:59.12 | bullgard4 | future28: Do you use Chatzilla as an Iceweasel plugin? |
| 09:59.21 | future28 | I do |
| 09:59.26 | future28 | How did you know? |
| 09:59.31 | babilen | future28: Hmm? |
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| 09:59.46 | future28 | Yeah, I feel very stupid about this; Ever heard of slow keys? |
| 09:59.54 | babilen | Please elaborate |
| 09:59.58 | bullgard4 | future28: Your traces in this channel let me assume that. |
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| 10:00.19 | future28 | Holding shift in for 6 seconds brings up an option to use 'slow keys' |
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| 10:00.38 | future28 | As in for a key to work, you have to hold it for ~3 seconds; |
| 10:00.47 | future28 | something I hadn't tried |
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| 10:00.55 | future28 | I must have activated it when I was doing SQL earlier |
| 10:01.00 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 10:01.16 | future28 | Yeah, I feel like a piece of crap now |
| 10:01.22 | future28 | bullgard4, please elaborate |
| 10:02.02 | future28 | anyway babilen, cheers for pointing me in the right direction regarding those backports/updates, appreciated |
| 10:02.04 | bullgard4 | future28: " "11:56" <-- | future28 (~chatzilla@125.253.99.68) hat den IRC verlassen (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Iceweasel 3.5.16/20120714075021])" |
| 10:02.24 | future28 | Oh wow, I never knew that. |
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| 10:03.11 | bullgard4 | future28: "= "11:58" --> | future28 (~chatzilla@125.253.99.68) ist in den #debian Channel eingetreten" |
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| 10:05.25 | bullgard4 | future28: Have you ever tried to run Chatzilla using xulrunner instead? |
| 10:05.37 | future28 | No, never |
| 10:05.51 | bullgard4 | future28: Ok. Thank you. |
| 10:06.20 | future28 | Well thanks for the help guys, I'm off |
| 10:06.23 | future28 | cheers again |
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| 10:33.23 | Lachezar | Debian GNU/Linux testing (wheezy) |
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| 10:48.21 | Devastator | I've asked this question in #d-ot early this morning, but it might be better to ask here: Is samba a project debian likes to maintain? I mean, I know some projects are painful and I'm curious about how samba is.. for debian, painful? not painful? |
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| 10:50.28 | themill | Devastator: samba has a clueful upstream and test their stuff well before shipping it so I imagine it's one of the less icky source packages to deal with. Just don't ask about the bug reports |
| 10:51.30 | Devastator | themill thanks, i was just curious, because they are passing through a major transition and I hope the new release hit debian soon |
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| 10:51.50 | Devastator | it's still rc anyway |
| 10:52.51 | themill | unlikely before wheezy releases |
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| 10:53.44 | Devastator | from what I was talking yesterday, it won't be released so soon either |
| 10:55.10 | Sevet | since it's past the feature freeze it's far more likely to go into jessie and if you're lucky wheezy-backports |
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| 10:55.29 | no_gravity | Anybody using debian on a tablet already? |
| 10:55.41 | a_b0y | is debian difficult to learn coming from ubuntu? what are the differences in the terminal commands |
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| 10:56.06 | Lachezar | a_b0y: Ubuntu is debian based. No, not hard at all. |
| 10:56.43 | a_b0y | does it still use sudo apt-get? |
| 10:56.44 | Devastator | Sevet is jessie new testing codename? |
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| 10:57.17 | Sevet | no testing is still wheezy |
| 10:57.21 | Lachezar | a_b0y: Yep. That actually comes FROM debian. |
| 10:57.28 | no_gravity | a_b0y: i always need an ethernet cable to install debian on my machines because it doesnt support my wlan setup out of the box. thats the main difference to ubuntu for me. |
| 10:57.30 | Sevet | jessie will be the release after wheezy |
| 10:58.13 | Devastator | Sevet right, now i saw the topic, because a few weeks ago there wasn't a name yet |
| 10:58.34 | no_gravity | a_b0y: the main upside is that debians default desktop is gnome 2 which is a hundred times better then ubuntus unity. |
| 10:59.09 | a_b0y | i actually prefer LXDE |
| 10:59.18 | Sevet | was announced in july :) https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html |
| 10:59.20 | bullgard4 | /etc/apt/source.list includes on one computer the entry »deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian wheezy main non-free contrib« and on a second computer »deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian testing main non-free contrib«. How do they effect differently? |
| 10:59.21 | Lachezar | a_b0y: Lubuntu? |
| 10:59.33 | a_b0y | i want to try debian with LXDE |
| 10:59.34 | no_gravity | a_b0y: is that what lubuntu uses? i tried it but didnt really get used to it. |
| 10:59.38 | a_b0y | yeah |
| 10:59.51 | no_gravity | a_b0y: what do you like about lxde? |
| 11:00.00 | Devastator | Sevet wow, i'm lost in time, thanks! |
| 11:00.11 | a_b0y | it doesn't have a lot of bloat |
| 11:00.11 | Sevet | bullgard4: for the moment they're identical |
| 11:00.23 | Sevet | when wheezy releases that'll change though |
| 11:01.22 | a_b0y | its quick and lightweight |
| 11:01.25 | Sevet | if you upgrade each machine then the testing one will become jessie (testing) and the wheezy one will become wheezy (stable) |
| 11:01.39 | no_gravity | a_b0y: yes, thats true. lubuntu felt really snappy when i tried it. but i couldnt reorder the entries in the taskbar. that was a show stopper for me. |
| 11:02.15 | Sevet | for the moment testing is wheezy though, so they're the same and you can rewrite either to match the other with no ill effects |
| 11:02.32 | Lachezar | I am having some different behaviour between 'Debian Wheezy' and 'Ubuntu Server 12.04': on Ubuntu a process runs out of file descriptors, while in Debian it exceeds the number of file descriptor limit by a factor... |
| 11:02.35 | bullgard4 | Sevet: One computer installed the file ~/.config/xfce/panel/xfce4-menu-5.rc from the xfce4-panel package. The other did not. Why? |
| 11:02.50 | no_gravity | a_b0y: i have an old notebook that crawls under recent ubuntu versions. its fast under debian 6 and lubuntu. its ok under mint. i mainly use mint on it now. |
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| 11:03.01 | a_b0y | i'm curious, do you know if ubuntu is based on debian testing? |
| 11:03.18 | Sevet | that won't have been installed by a package |
| 11:03.29 | Sevet | it's in your home area, would've been created at runtime |
| 11:03.31 | no_gravity | a_b0y: i think so. it has newer stuff on it then debian stable. |
| 11:03.42 | bullgard4 | a_b0y: Yes, in a loose way. |
| 11:03.42 | thewanderer1 | they supposedly take packages from unstable and then patch them up throughout the release cycle... |
| 11:04.08 | Sevet | i think they base it on sid, very loosely |
| 11:04.17 | a_b0y | or is ubuntu LTS based on testing and the standard ubuntu based on unstable? |
| 11:04.39 | thewanderer1 | well, ask in #ubuntu, they would know |
| 11:04.49 | a_b0y | true, they should |
| 11:04.51 | Sevet | 12.04 LTS 'cat /etc/debian_version' -> wheezy/sid |
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| 11:04.57 | no_gravity | Sevet: what is sid? i always get confused with all these names. sid, wheezy, stable, unstable, testing, debian 5, debian 6.... personally i would prefer just numbers. |
| 11:05.26 | a_b0y | i think sid always means unstable, but i could be wrong |
| 11:05.33 | allorder | +1 |
| 11:05.42 | thewanderer1 | yes, sid is unstable and all other names change... and this is NOT Google Plus |
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| 11:05.55 | Sevet | it is |
| 11:06.09 | Sevet | sid's the toy story character, it's always the unstable release |
| 11:06.17 | Sevet | (the kid that likes to break stuff) |
| 11:06.36 | Devastator | debian 5 = lenny = oldstable, debian 6 = squeeze = stable, wheezy = testing (at the moment), sid is always sid |
| 11:06.48 | Sevet | toy story names are the release names (lenny,squeeze,wheezy,jessie), sid the exception is always the name for unstable |
| 11:06.58 | Sevet | ^^ |
| 11:07.38 | no_gravity | i wonder why the dont just stick with numbers. people are funny. |
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| 11:07.42 | Sevet | oldstable/stable/testing are the pointers to the previous release, current release, testing for next release |
| 11:07.58 | Sevet | unstable is where packages get tried out before putting them into testing |
| 11:08.19 | Sevet | for now testing is in feature freeze so just bug crunching, but there's still plenty of stuff happening in sid/unstable |
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| 11:08.27 | Sevet | which'll all count towards jessie |
| 11:08.33 | bullgard4 | Sevet: Was your message " "13:03" Sevet | it's in your home area, would've been created at runtime" meant for me? |
| 11:08.46 | Sevet | bullgard4: it was |
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| 11:10.42 | bullgard4 | Sevet: I can hardly believe you: "would've been created at runtime". Because http://packages.debian.org/search does list this file. Can you elaborate. |
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| 11:13.14 | Sevet | bullgard4: no, it won't |
| 11:13.24 | Sevet | it might show a file of that name in a different directory though |
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| 11:14.58 | Sevet | packages do not install to user home directories, anything in ~/.config is created by programs when you run them |
| 11:15.24 | Sevet | i couldn't tell you what created/copied that file though |
| 11:15.45 | Sevet | (seems likely it'd be some part of xfce though) |
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| 11:19.50 | Eric- | under debian how can I find out what version of keepalived I am running? |
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| 11:20.12 | Sevet | dpkg -l keepalived |
| 11:20.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching keepalived |
| 11:20.28 | Sevet | eric-: that's a command, not me talking to the bot ;) |
| 11:21.04 | Eric- | ;) |
| 11:21.12 | Eric- | working! |
| 11:21.13 | Eric- | thanks |
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| 11:27.36 | Lachezar | There seems to be something wrong with lsof: 'lsof -ln -p <PID>' gives less items than 'lsof -ln | grep <PID>' (yes, I've checked, that it filters the same PID). |
| 11:30.23 | Lachezar | <lsof -ln | grep '^java 4149' | wc -l>: result 61831 |
| 11:30.41 | Lachezar | <lsof -ln -p 4149 | wc -l>: result 804 |
| 11:31.18 | thewanderer1 | well, any false positives in the grepped lines? look at them... |
| 11:32.04 | Lachezar | thewanderer1: No, no false positives... The grep only filters the lines that are the same process (4149) see the ^ at the front. |
| 11:32.52 | Lachezar | thewanderer1: In Ubuntu Server 12.04 the same commands display the same result (+1, for the header line when not using grep). |
| 11:33.03 | thewanderer1 | Lachezar: well, what about "java 41495" ? |
| 11:33.12 | Lachezar | thewanderer1: No such. |
| 11:33.40 | Lachezar | <lsof -ln | grep '^java 4149 ' | wc -l>: result 61831 |
| 11:33.52 | Lachezar | thewanderer1: the space after the PID. |
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| 11:34.09 | Sevet | is it off by one? |
| 11:34.18 | Sevet | -p will include the head 'COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME', the grep one won't |
| 11:34.33 | bullgard4 | Sevet: Thank you very much for explaining. So I need further snooping what creates this file. |
| 11:34.38 | Lachezar | Sevet: On Ubuntu it is. On Debian it's off by a factor of 100: 804 -> 61831 |
| 11:35.48 | Lachezar | Svet: OK, not 100, but factor of 75+ |
| 11:35.59 | Sevet | pastebin the outputs for us to see... |
| 11:36.45 | thewanderer1 | Lachezar: I'm observing the same here (for example with Skype) - maybe lsof with -p rejects duplicate paths? |
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| 11:37.32 | Lachezar | Sevet: it's 8MB !!! |
| 11:37.48 | Sevet | fair enough... :) |
| 11:38.16 | Lachezar | Sevet: On Ubuntu it's Off-By-One, which is puzzling me... |
| 11:38.47 | nsadmin | it says you have 9g? |
| 11:39.09 | Lachezar | Debian: 3.2.0-1-amd64, Ubuntu: 3.2.0-31-generic |
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| 11:40.25 | Lachezar | Even more weird: now the lagrer number fell to 47377, but the small number is still 804 :( |
| 11:41.23 | thewanderer1 | Lachezar: the likely solution is that the tool is checking two different places for operation with and without -p |
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| 11:41.41 | thewanderer1 | like a global kernel map without -p, and the respective /proc directory with the PID specified |
| 11:41.48 | thewanderer1 | anyway, strace should help you find out |
| 11:42.01 | Sevet | how many fds in /proc/4149/fd/ ? |
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| 11:42.25 | Lachezar | Sevet: about 400, can't really say now, because I shut down the process... |
| 11:42.54 | PigDude | what is the default LDA for debian? |
| 11:42.58 | PigDude | (dovecot installed) |
| 11:43.19 | Lachezar | I am trying to find out why my Glassfish App Server crashes under Ubuntu, and not under Glassfish, but I have no success in finding how many descriptors the server actually uses... |
| 11:43.40 | Lachezar | sighs and strolls away in disgrace... |
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| 11:46.01 | PigDude | ... Ubuntu isn't Debian |
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| 11:46.43 | Sevet | !ubuntu |
| 11:46.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 11:48.02 | Ironhand | hello, could anyone tell me if there's a way (for example an alternative installer image) that would allow me to run the Debian Squeeze installer with one of the backports kernels right from the start? I'm having issues installing Squeeze on an Intel H77 based motherboard as it doesn't recognize the harddisk controller |
| 11:48.12 | PigDude | Sevet, :^) |
| 11:48.21 | PigDude | Sevet, I think the people running Ubuntu on servers are patently nuts |
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| 11:48.40 | PigDude | Sevet, might as well run Sid |
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| 11:49.21 | Sevet | testing you mean, it should still at least be more stable than sid |
| 11:49.26 | PigDude | been running this server on Debian since Etch, never once had an issue |
| 11:49.49 | PigDude | Sevet, probably, but i think ubuntu repos has many packages that are much newer than testing? |
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| 11:50.17 | Sevet | yes, because they're only loosely based on it |
| 11:50.40 | PigDude | debian ... is wonderful! |
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| 11:51.28 | Sevet | Ironhand: you could make your own http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel |
| 11:51.54 | Sevet | it's possible there already is one somewhere, but i don't know |
| 11:52.03 | Ironhand | Sevet: ah, thanks, I'll give that a try |
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| 11:55.49 | PigDude | how do you guys back up your debian servers? I use this bash script right now (cron job runs `generate`, and cron job on backup servers run `copy`): https://gist.github.com/ad596d5468a92d2f9420 |
| 11:56.14 | thewanderer1 | faubackup |
| 11:56.14 | PigDude | I redacted the stuff that is replaced with "MY_..." |
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| 11:56.54 | PigDude | I'm backing up these directories ... do you think I'm missing any important ones? /home /var/repos /var/mail /var/vmail /var/www /var/log /etc /var/lib/mysql /var/lib/postgresql |
| 11:57.19 | PigDude | this is only a data backup, not a recoverable full backup |
| 11:57.50 | thewanderer1 | /etc |
| 11:58.03 | PigDude | that has /etc :^) |
| 11:58.08 | nsadmin | PigDude, I would probably have a staging area on the server for backup files... then I would make a tarball per partition |
| 11:58.18 | nkuttler | PigDude: / |
| 11:58.18 | nsadmin | then transfer the partitions |
| 11:58.20 | thewanderer1 | oh, missed that |
| 11:58.26 | nsadmin | err the tarballs |
| 11:58.34 | Sevet | really it depends on what you're doing |
| 11:58.35 | PigDude | nkuttler, hehe :^) |
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| 11:58.57 | Sevet | eg a bind dns server'll use /var/cache/bind |
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| 11:58.59 | ectospasm | if you use the root account like I do you might want to save /root too |
| 11:59.00 | thewanderer1 | why do you use tarballs, anyway? shouldn't you be doing incremental? |
| 11:59.14 | PigDude | thewanderer1, i use rsync, then tar it |
| 11:59.23 | PigDude | thewanderer1, (rsync to local dir) |
| 11:59.25 | thewanderer1 | well, yes, but it's still not incremental I think |
| 11:59.41 | PigDude | on my backup servers I like to have a full backup every day |
| 11:59.45 | PigDude | and I rotate these |
| 11:59.48 | nkuttler | PigDude: you should probably look into tools like backuppc, bacula, etc |
| 11:59.50 | Sevet | you can do that with rsync |
| 11:59.52 | PigDude | I know there's a lot of wasted space |
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| 11:59.59 | PigDude | thanks nkuttler |
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| 12:00.48 | Sevet | you can get rsync to create daily snapshots but reusing space for unchanged files by using hardlinks |
| 12:00.54 | Sevet | best of both :) |
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| 12:01.00 | PigDude | that might be a good idea |
| 12:01.19 | nsadmin | when you look at any backup methodology, it's important to look at both the backup and the restore process... |
| 12:01.26 | PigDude | right now, if I have 2G in some home dir, that becomes an extra ~4G (2G in backup stage dir that is rsynced every day, and probably <2G in the .tgz of that dir) |
| 12:01.30 | PigDude | so I can get myself in trouble |
| 12:01.38 | nkuttler | PigDude: hence my suggestion |
| 12:01.41 | aisy | why |
| 12:02.47 | Sevet | aisy: why what? |
| 12:02.54 | PigDude | does scp -r use one connection? |
| 12:02.58 | Sevet | yes |
| 12:03.08 | PigDude | hm then it might make more sense to do the tarring on the backup server |
| 12:03.15 | PigDude | and just have them scp -r the stage dir every day |
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| 12:03.24 | thewanderer1 | how about... not tarring at all? |
| 12:03.27 | PigDude | I'm probably not gaining anything by tarring on the main server |
| 12:03.28 | Sevet | (rsync can run over ssh btw) |
| 12:03.37 | PigDude | thewanderer1, because I want a daily snapshot |
| 12:03.45 | PigDude | thewanderer1, and to save some space in the long haul |
| 12:03.50 | thewanderer1 | PigDude: you still do not have to tar |
| 12:03.51 | Sevet | (much more efficient if the connection fails and you want to continue) |
| 12:03.57 | PigDude | thewanderer1, if i just wanted one most recent backup then I probably just rsync every day |
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| 12:04.03 | thewanderer1 | just do incremental backups with hard links |
| 12:04.08 | PigDude | Sevet, yea I always -e ssh :^) |
| 12:04.12 | thewanderer1 | and yes, you get daily snapshots. |
| 12:04.15 | Ironhand | I've been using Dirvish ( http://www.dirvish.org/ ) for backup for many years now to great satisfaction; it relies on the hard link idea that Sevet mentioned |
| 12:04.20 | thewanderer1 | faubackup does that, as does rsnapshot |
| 12:04.33 | Ironhand | so you have self-contained daily images with disk space usage similar to incremental solutions |
| 12:04.36 | nkuttler | as does backuppc |
| 12:04.41 | thewanderer1 | exactly |
| 12:04.42 | Ironhand | I believe rsnapshot works in a similar way |
| 12:05.01 | PigDude | so in theory I can just hard-link each of those targets (/home, /etc, ...) to some /var/backup-root, and then rsync that to my backup server? |
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| 12:05.12 | nsadmin | I use tar instead of rsync mpstly because I know it... and you're right, tar isn't designed with the incremental thing in mind |
| 12:05.14 | Sevet | /var/lib/mysql /var/lib/postgresql <--- by the way copying those is NOT the right way to back them up |
| 12:05.17 | PigDude | how does hard-link work with snapshots? |
| 12:05.17 | drigolli3r | hi all |
| 12:05.29 | Shadur | Isn't that why they have mysqldump/pg_dump ? |
| 12:05.41 | Sevet | you'll end up with corrupted databases in your backup, unless the servers aren't running at the time |
| 12:05.43 | PigDude | Sevet, i've had good success restoring filesystem backups of both db servers |
| 12:05.44 | Sevet | shadur: yes |
| 12:05.49 | PigDude | ah ok |
| 12:05.53 | nsadmin | Sevet, right... especially for pg, you want to use pg_dump |
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| 12:06.16 | Sevet | xtrabackup is better than mysqldump if you use innodb though (it does the backup without blocking writes to the database during the backup) |
| 12:06.18 | PigDude | hm okay, I'll try that then |
| 12:06.34 | PigDude | I don't even really use mysql :^P it's one old client website that I really need to get off the machine |
| 12:06.42 | PigDude | psql is much more critical |
| 12:07.03 | PigDude | okay so I'll work on having real db backup and not FS backup |
| 12:07.27 | PigDude | is there some noob sysadmin guide to backing up with hard-links? just because this concept is foreign to me and I never use hardlinks in my day-today |
| 12:07.28 | thewanderer1 | PigDude: hardlinks are simple - just looks for files that have not changed (same md5 or so) and makes a hard link instead of copy |
| 12:07.44 | thewanderer1 | just use a pre-made solution: faubackup, rsnapshot, dirvish, whatever |
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| 12:07.55 | PigDude | ok, I'll look at these |
| 12:07.56 | Sevet | pigdude: /var/repos <- svn/git/other? possibly there's a similar argument there too |
| 12:08.09 | PigDude | Sevet, git, maybe an hg or two |
| 12:08.24 | nsadmin | PigDude, when you restore the pg databases, you will want to use the same pg version... once you want to upgrade the pg, you will want to make a plain text dump and "restore" that into the new pg |
| 12:08.32 | PigDude | hm okay |
| 12:08.59 | nsadmin | the files in /var/lib/postgres are sensitive to pg version |
| 12:09.25 | Sevet | doing a git clone on the backup server and a daily git pull would work better for git, you'd get a bad backup if someone was updating it while you copied it |
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| 12:09.58 | Sevet | there's also less need to keep daily copies of that since it already gives you its full history |
| 12:10.56 | PigDude | Sevet, ah that's true |
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| 12:11.49 | PigDude | ok this is good advice :^) |
| 12:12.24 | PigDude | so realistically I'd want a cron job that manually backs up db, repos, mail, similar services in a safe way, and then use a thing like faubackup to perform the FS backup mechanics? |
| 12:12.35 | PigDude | (this starts after the manual ones finish?) |
| 12:12.35 | Sevet | what i suggest you do is make a list of what services the server provides that you want a backup of, and look at the best option for each individually |
| 12:12.46 | PigDude | yea |
| 12:12.58 | PigDude | my main reason for staging the backup on the server is that my home connection is bad |
| 12:13.01 | Shadur | Well, optimally you'd use replication for your database so you have as close to real-time a backup as it's possible to get. |
| 12:13.09 | PigDude | so I can't always guarantee that I'm going to get a snapshot unless I have it running on the server |
| 12:13.21 | PigDude | Shadur, this is not so critical but I agree |
| 12:13.31 | bittin^work | anyone wanna play songpop? |
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| 12:13.57 | thewanderer1 | PigDude: I think you're overcomplicating this... |
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| 12:14.52 | thewanderer1 | in general, though, it's a good practice to put the DB backup and the FS backup in one script |
| 12:15.11 | thewanderer1 | just don't overdo proxying and staging - every layer adds another thing that could possibly fail :P |
| 12:15.58 | PigDude | thewanderer1, which part am i over-complicating? |
| 12:16.26 | thewanderer1 | PigDude: staging on a server, I think |
| 12:16.28 | PigDude | thewanderer1, you would just do the manual backups and rsync each dir remotely? |
| 12:16.35 | PigDude | (the db backups etc are manual) |
| 12:16.38 | PigDude | or will be |
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| 12:17.02 | thewanderer1 | faubackup or equivalents can directly take your source dirs and put them on a backup target, sorted by date, snapshotted |
| 12:17.14 | PigDude | okay i have some reading to do :^) |
| 12:17.22 | PigDude | I think nkuttler had some good tools to look at including faubackup |
| 12:17.47 | PigDude | and so did you :^) |
| 12:17.49 | PigDude | thanks for all the help |
| 12:17.55 | PigDude | i'm a programmer more than a sysadmin :P |
| 12:18.09 | PigDude | which is why debian saves my buttocks :^) |
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| 12:22.58 | l1ght | what's the link to kmuto's backports? |
| 12:23.25 | alogeno_ITA | there is a tool to save program installed with a description? maybe sorted by categories |
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| 12:24.06 | Sm0ke0ut | dpkg ? |
| 12:24.07 | dpkg | Sm0ke0ut: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 12:24.09 | alogeno_ITA | i've found apt-clone but it copy exactly the system status |
| 12:24.46 | alogeno_ITA | Sm0ke0ut, dpkg with get-selectons parameter? |
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| 12:24.58 | alogeno_ITA | i don't like the result |
| 12:24.59 | Sm0ke0ut | I should speak with full sentences I guess. Anyhow; `dpkg -l` give you list of installed packages incl. descriptions |
| 12:25.01 | Xtri | Howdy lads. |
| 12:25.17 | Xtri | Kinda new to Debian here, and just have a small little issue, anyone care to point me in the right direction? |
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| 12:26.07 | PigDude | just ask :^) |
| 12:26.12 | Xtri | Alright. |
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| 12:26.57 | Xtri | Well I'm following a guide from some guy who helped me out, but he's off now. And he told me to add support for 32bit applications by doing: |
| 12:27.16 | Xtri | sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
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| 12:27.51 | thewanderer1 | what do you need that for, and which release are you running? |
| 12:28.18 | Xtri | Debian 6 x86_64 |
| 12:29.25 | Xtri | That command doesn't work though. |
| 12:29.38 | thewanderer1 | well, Squeeze doesn't do multi-arch |
| 12:29.41 | Xtri | dpkg: unknown option --add-architecture |
| 12:29.41 | thewanderer1 | !wayttd |
| 12:29.41 | dpkg | Xtri: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 12:29.54 | thewanderer1 | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 12:30.16 | Xtri | Upgrade to wheezy |
| 12:30.26 | thewanderer1 | no, what's the end goal? |
| 12:30.40 | Xtri | Running a game server by wine. |
| 12:31.20 | thewanderer1 | doesn't it work on squeeze? |
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| 12:31.55 | Xtri | Well, yes. But he told me I needed to add support for 32bit, because of the server I'm going to run supports only 32bit. |
| 12:32.21 | thewanderer1 | Squeeze solves this issue differently than Wheezy - install ia32-libs |
| 12:32.25 | Xtri | So I don't "have" to upgrade to wheezy |
| 12:32.38 | thewanderer1 | wine should already depend on ia32-libs, I think |
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| 12:33.37 | Xtri | apt-get install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk ? |
| 12:33.42 | abrotman | server .. wine ? |
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| 12:34.17 | Xtri | I'm kind of 6 hours into Linux btw, so I'm pretty noobish. |
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| 12:34.51 | mattfury | what would be faster, me net-installing or whole image download? |
| 12:35.07 | mattfury | cant wait to see what works/doesnt work for me :) |
| 12:35.15 | thewanderer1 | net-install is always faster than full image on the same network link |
| 12:35.25 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: just install wine, and let apt-get sort out the dependencies for you |
| 12:35.43 | Xtri | Alright |
| 12:35.47 | mattfury | but if i netinstall from my country than say a gigabit server in europe which is faster? |
| 12:36.24 | mattfury | im from australia, aarmet does max out my connection though |
| 12:36.31 | thewanderer1 | mattfury: whichever gets the stuff downloaded faster... |
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| 12:36.54 | rdz | hi all. is there a way to make scripts autostart on boot without being root? |
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| 12:37.41 | mattfury | fakeroot? XD |
| 12:38.00 | thewanderer1 | rdz: try putting something like @reboot in your personal crontab |
| 12:39.22 | rdz | thewanderer1, didn't know about this one.. many thanks |
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| 12:41.41 | Xtri | thewanderer1 |
| 12:41.44 | Xtri | http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=190&t=111026&p=625212 |
| 12:41.49 | Xtri | Trying to follow that guide atm. |
| 12:41.59 | Xtri | But I can't even run sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
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| 12:42.11 | thewanderer1 | that is because Debian is not Linux Mint! |
| 12:42.14 | poisond | hi :) |
| 12:42.44 | Xtri | Well, I have no idea wtf to do then. |
| 12:42.45 | Xtri | lol |
| 12:43.20 | thewanderer1 | have you got wine installed already? |
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| 12:43.33 | Xtri | Nope. |
| 12:43.40 | Xtri | I just got debian setup, and NX |
| 12:43.42 | poisond | is there a repository with the current stable version of software? |
| 12:43.43 | Xtri | to get desktop |
| 12:43.50 | Xtri | Fresh install of debian |
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| 12:44.24 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: then install wine, which you said you need for the said game server to run |
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| 12:44.51 | Xtri | Trying to find a guide, got wine working on Ubuntu, but I haven't used Debian at all yet, and it seems like it's different? |
| 12:46.00 | jelly | Xtri: yes, it's different |
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| 12:47.53 | Xtri | The following extra packages will be installed: wine64-bin The following NEW packages will be installed: wine wine64-bin |
| 12:48.04 | Xtri | Remember I need 32bit. |
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| 12:50.04 | jhutchins_wk | Xtri: Obviously you don't. |
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| 12:50.19 | Xtri | So, install wine64-bin? |
| 12:50.35 | Xtri | Well, I need 32bit support because the server I am going to run only works on 32bit. |
| 12:51.14 | DammitJim | is there a way to run a solaris sparc vm guest in a linux host? |
| 12:51.31 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: wait, what wine64? O.o |
| 12:51.37 | thewanderer1 | DammitJim: qemu? |
| 12:51.46 | DammitJim | it doesn't matter |
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| 12:51.55 | Xtri | apt-get install wine gives me wine64-bin install |
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| 12:52.08 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: what distro are you on, again? |
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| 12:52.19 | DammitJim | I just want to know if it is possible... I have fortran code that was written in the 70s for a sun sparc compiler |
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| 12:52.36 | poisond | I'm already on testing but there are only outdated version like, you know, java-1.7.0_07 is current stable instead of 1.7.0_03 which is missing hundreds of bugfixes and security patches, or glassfish-3.1.2 instead of 2.1.1 which is over two years old |
| 12:52.51 | Xtri | 6.0.6 Debian |
| 12:52.53 | bjelleklang | Xtri, depends on what version you want. wine installed from the repositories work just the same as on Ubuntu |
| 12:53.03 | bjelleklang | Although Debian might have a different version |
| 12:53.09 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: wine64-bin does not exist on stable |
| 12:53.22 | Xtri | huh hmm |
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| 12:53.32 | thewanderer1 | have you enabled wheezy in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 12:53.48 | Xtri | The following extra packages will be installed: wine64-bin |
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| 12:53.57 | jhutchins_wk | thewanderer1: Isn't he using mint anyway? |
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| 12:54.17 | thewanderer1 | jhutchins_wk: not sure, I choose to trust the initial assessment of "6.0.6 Debian"... |
| 12:54.30 | babilen | poisond: Which "java" are you referring to? openjdk-7-jdk is 7u3-2.1.2-2 and 7u7-2.3.2a-1 is in experimental .. |
| 12:54.33 | Xtri | Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.6 (squeeze) Release: 6.0.6 Codename: squeeze |
| 12:54.37 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net ? |
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| 12:55.14 | poisond | babilen: openjdk, 7u7 is the current stable |
| 12:55.46 | poisond | babilen: oh, so I have to go from testing to experimental? |
| 12:55.55 | babilen | poisond: Which is in experimental -- It probably won't make it into wheezy though (security related patches will though) -- Is there anything in particular that is missing from it? |
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| 12:56.07 | thewanderer1 | poisond: no, you should use stable, which has security patches. |
| 12:56.16 | miky77 | ciao |
| 12:56.18 | miky77 | !list |
| 12:56.18 | dpkg | miky77: È possibile di scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-6.0.6-amd64-i386-netinst.iso ! |
| 12:56.18 | Xtri | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/196546/ |
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| 12:57.36 | Xtri | thewanderer1: yeah it's something wrong there |
| 12:57.44 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: replace testing with stable and apt-get update |
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| 12:58.35 | poisond | thewanderer1: but not bugfixes it seems? |
| 12:58.58 | Xtri | Alright |
| 12:59.00 | Xtri | installing wine now |
| 12:59.00 | Xtri | lib32 |
| 12:59.04 | Xtri | sweet |
| 12:59.12 | Xtri | Source.list was the problem |
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| 12:59.27 | Xtri | So basically the wine I am installing is 32bit? |
| 12:59.33 | poisond | babilen: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/2col/7u6-bugfixes-1733378.html <- some of those mainly |
| 12:59.36 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: yes |
| 12:59.43 | Xtri | Alright |
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| 12:59.56 | Xtri | Is winetricks something I neewd to install manually after installing wine or does it come with? |
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| 13:00.11 | thewanderer1 | poisond: you're better off tracking upstream yourself I think... |
| 13:00.28 | thewanderer1 | Java is a mess, in Debian and in general :P |
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| 13:00.41 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: it's separate |
| 13:00.58 | Xtri | "It appears that libnss-mdns is installed on your system, but lib32nss-mdns is not. Please note that Wine will not be able to access the Internet unless you either install lib32nss-mdns (or ia32-libnss-mdns), or uninstall libnss-mdns." |
| 13:01.09 | thewanderer1 | well, the message says it all |
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| 13:02.14 | babilen | poisond: You might want to discuss it in #debian-java (oftc) as I am not working on the packaging of openjdk, but note that some security fixes might be backported. I am also not sure which OpenJDK version will ship with wheezy right now. |
| 13:02.36 | poisond | thewanderer1: lol, well, I'm forced to use debian. And I didn't manage to build a package after a week of trying. so I guess experimental it is. |
| 13:03.01 | poisond | babilen: I care mainly about all those bugfixes which don't seem to get backported in any package ... |
| 13:03.25 | Xtri | ok |
| 13:03.30 | Xtri | installed lib32nss-mdns |
| 13:03.35 | thewanderer1 | poisond: Debian only backports security fixes, not general bug fixes |
| 13:03.50 | Xtri | thewanderer1: thanks for the help so far. |
| 13:03.54 | Xtri | that should do it right? |
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| 13:04.11 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: well, are you still seeing the warning message? |
| 13:04.19 | Xtri | nop |
| 13:04.20 | dnai23 | hi, is there any other sudoers file besides /etc/sudoers? we're having trouble with sudo, our sudoers file is completly empty BUT one of our users can still use it |
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| 13:04.40 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: then it seems that it's fixed :P |
| 13:04.54 | poisond | thewanderer1: yes, I noticed >.< |
| 13:04.54 | Xtri | Good :p |
| 13:04.54 | Xtri | Now for winetricks |
| 13:04.54 | Xtri | xD |
| 13:05.00 | Xtri | Same shit? apt-get install wine winetricks? |
| 13:05.07 | thewanderer1 | it's not available in stable |
| 13:05.11 | Xtri | ah |
| 13:05.15 | thewanderer1 | do you *need* winetricks? |
| 13:05.19 | Xtri | yeah. |
| 13:05.38 | thewanderer1 | will the program fail to run without that? |
| 13:05.51 | thewanderer1 | if so, proceed to compile from source |
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| 13:06.12 | Xtri | ow |
| 13:06.15 | Xtri | this is wine 1.0.1 |
| 13:06.19 | Xtri | I need atleast 1.4.2 |
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| 13:06.55 | thewanderer1 | try and see if it works with this one - you do not need the newest and the greatest if you can get it to run with an earlier version |
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| 13:08.07 | bjelleklang | If you're using Squeeze you're actually using 1.3.1 :) |
| 13:08.10 | mattfury | any tips on unetbootin debian x64 net install? |
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| 13:08.19 | mattfury | (from windows 8) |
| 13:08.28 | bjelleklang | But it's labeled 1.0.1-3.1 |
| 13:08.35 | Posterdati | hi |
| 13:08.35 | Xtri | ok thewanderer1, now for the compiling, no idea how to do stuff like that. |
| 13:08.42 | mattfury | first time didnt work with unetbootin-548 :p |
| 13:08.44 | Xtri | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.52 | thewanderer1 | !tell Xtri about ssb |
| 13:08.52 | Posterdati | please does anyone know why qucs was removed from testing? |
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| 13:09.08 | mattfury | i was getting, unetbootkrn=/dir/dir |
| 13:09.14 | harrison | i need a network driver, i received the .deb on a usb but someone unpacked it! how do i repack all the files to .deb? |
| 13:09.17 | thewanderer1 | ,checkbackport winetricks |
| 13:09.18 | judd | Backporting package winetricks in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze-backports. |
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| 13:10.12 | jhutchins_wk | I believe wine supplies .deb packages for their weekly builds. |
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| 13:10.41 | jhutchins_wk | mattfury: unetbootin is not a recommended or supported process. |
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| 13:10.54 | Xtri | http://dev.carbon-project.org/debian/wine-unstable/ |
| 13:10.57 | thewanderer1 | let's see first if it works on Squeeze's wine I guess |
| 13:11.07 | jhutchins_wk | mattfury: It worked for me, but you should read and try following the install guide. |
| 13:11.15 | jhutchins_wk | !tell mattfury about ig |
| 13:11.17 | babilen | !tell mattfury -about usb install |
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| 13:11.35 | babilen | mattfury: You can use the image writer linked in the last factoid to prepare it from windows. |
| 13:12.03 | babilen | mattfury: IIRC you might have to rename the file from .iso to .img for that to work (windows seems to be a bit anal about file extensions) |
| 13:12.31 | Xtri | thewanderer1: # Backports repository deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports main contrib non-free sources.list or am I totally on the wrong here? |
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| 13:14.20 | thewanderer1 | ,version wine |
| 13:14.21 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- lenny: 1.0.1-1; squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-2; sid: 1.4.1-4 |
| 13:14.35 | babilen | ,v wine-unstable |
| 13:14.36 | judd | Package: wine-unstable on i386 -- sid: 1.5.6-2 |
| 13:14.39 | thewanderer1 | see? |
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| 13:15.08 | mattfury | oh seems i have to use vfat |
| 13:15.16 | mattfury | vfat = fat32/fat? |
| 13:15.32 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: there's no newer Wine in backports... you would need to attempt compiling yourself (long and error-prone), or upgrade to Wheezy where it works - but it's testing, so other parts of the system could break :P |
| 13:15.35 | babilen | mattfury: Just write the image directly to a USB stick ... |
| 13:15.54 | thewanderer1 | Xtri: any chance of running it with just wine 1.0.1? |
| 13:16.12 | Xtri | Well, the guide specifically says I need to use 1.4.2 or higher, the higher the better. |
| 13:16.20 | Xtri | It's a guide written by someone who setup a server this way. |
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| 13:16.39 | Xtri | So, it's better if I just update to wheezy? |
| 13:17.06 | thewanderer1 | try it first and see if it breaks |
| 13:17.18 | thewanderer1 | I wouldn't say it's "better"... it's a last resort if all else fails |
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| 13:18.22 | Xtri | thewanderer1 it's a lengthy process to set the server up. |
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| 13:19.08 | Xtri | anyways to get wheezy |
| 13:19.10 | thewanderer1 | well, if you insist on upgrading to Wheezy |
| 13:19.11 | Xtri | I need to change the sources again right? |
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| 13:19.16 | thewanderer1 | yes... |
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| 13:19.31 | Xtri | sudo sed -i 's/squeeze/testing/g' /etc/apt/sources.list should do it? |
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| 13:20.15 | somiaj | Xtri: you should use wheezy over testing, and make sure you read /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy to see of any issues with the upgrade |
| 13:20.28 | somiaj | Xtri: wheezy over testing in your sources.list |
| 13:20.34 | thewanderer1 | indeed, use the literal "wheezy", not "testing" |
| 13:20.43 | Posterdati | I need help for nfs server, I could not mount the exports on clients: they just frezees on mount |
| 13:20.46 | lowkyalur | hello. for some strange reason my usb2 ports on the mainboard do not recognize hid devices anymore. a usb3 card with xhci is working ok |
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| 13:21.29 | lowkyalur | my system is testing. i think it has something todo with xhci screwing up the usb2 hid recognition. any idea how to fix this? |
| 13:21.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Xtri -about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 13:24.29 | Xtri | back |
| 13:24.30 | Xtri | upgrading |
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| 13:24.56 | thewanderer1 | oh, and don't blame us for GNOME3 etc... :P |
| 13:25.48 | Xtri | What thewanderer1? :P |
| 13:26.27 | thewanderer1 | you'll see after the upgrade |
| 13:26.37 | Xtri | lol |
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| 13:29.15 | Xtri | shit, what was the command for checking the version of debian now again? |
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| 13:29.55 | thewanderer1 | `lsb_release -a` ? |
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| 13:30.26 | Xtri | wierd hm |
| 13:30.31 | Xtri | tried to upgrade, seems like it didn't work out. |
| 13:30.47 | Xtri | feck i t, reinstalling debian and starting fresh |
| 13:32.35 | Xtri | thewanderer1: http://paste.debian.net/196564/ |
| 13:32.38 | Xtri | Correcto? |
| 13:33.38 | thewanderer1 | not sure what [arch=i386,amd64] means... never seen that in sources.list |
| 13:33.45 | jelly | Xtri: incorrecto |
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| 13:33.59 | Xtri | damno |
| 13:34.04 | thewanderer1 | then you've used testing instead of wheezy... |
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| 13:34.19 | Xtri | Mind editing it so it's correct? Lol :P |
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| 13:36.22 | jelly | dpkg, tell Xtri about wheezy sources.list |
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| 13:43.03 | nomicon | Bah!! |
| 13:43.23 | nomicon | I was doing an dist-upgrade from lenny -> squeeze, and my session to the server died in the middle of the upgrade :( |
| 13:43.28 | Xtri | Screw it, I'm going Ubuntu. |
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| 13:43.52 | nomicon | Am I totally screwed now, or can i resume it somehow? |
| 13:44.10 | themill | Xtri: you can enjoy their screwed up multiarch instead of debian's then. Have fun! |
| 13:44.19 | themill | nomicon: is apt or dpkg still running? |
| 13:45.20 | nomicon | yeah |
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| 13:45.58 | nomicon | the session died when I was prompted to issue a restart of proftpd and some other services |
| 13:46.15 | themill | network-manager? |
| 13:46.31 | nomicon | hm ? |
| 13:46.34 | themill | nomicon: but are apt and dpkg actually still running? check with ps. |
| 13:46.40 | nomicon | yes they are |
| 13:46.56 | nomicon | root 24395 0.1 1.0 42732 21132 pts/0 S+ 15:33 0:01 apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:47.18 | nomicon | and also some dpkg/sh/perl processes related to the upgrade |
| 13:47.40 | themill | yeah, can you pastebin the entire process tree for apt |
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| 13:49.32 | nomicon | http://pastebin.com/0sty0BCx |
| 13:49.53 | nomicon | output of ps | grep apt and ps | grep dpkg |
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| 13:53.14 | nomicon | themill: any suggestions? |
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| 13:53.45 | themill | nomicon: you were obviously able to log in again and I think at this stage you're going to have to kill it and then "apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade". killing apt while it's reconfiguring pam makes me slightly nervous... |
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| 13:53.55 | themill | oh, and screen ftw. |
| 13:54.13 | nomicon | yeah I thought I was within a screen, but shame on me, i was not :( |
| 13:54.19 | thewanderer1 | wasn't there a recent bug where upgrades would crash screen or so? |
| 13:54.37 | nomicon | thewanderer1: dunno, screen has worked fine with my other boxes i've upgraded |
| 13:54.44 | themill | thewanderer1: wheezy's screen can't currently open squeeze screen sessions, but there are ways around that |
| 13:54.59 | nomicon | themill: Good thing tho I did an rsync backup just before I issued the upgrade, and also a snapshot of the vm =) |
| 13:55.00 | thewanderer1 | hmm okay |
| 13:55.12 | nomicon | just a bit pain since its an email system, alot of activity :/ |
| 13:55.17 | themill | see #688991 |
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| 13:55.51 | themill | nomicon: yeah. apt should handle this gracefully and let you proceed |
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| 13:57.58 | nomicon | themill: apt-get -f install outputs E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. Do you think it's safe to follow that advice? |
| 13:58.27 | jelly | well if you must, you must! |
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| 13:58.39 | nomicon | heh |
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| 13:59.13 | nomicon | one shot, one kill! Its friday afternoon 4pm, just on hour away from weekend.. and this shit breaks loose |
| 13:59.22 | nomicon | murphy is with me today.. o yes he is |
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| 14:00.11 | thewanderer1 | that's what you get for doing upgrades on Friday :P |
| 14:00.17 | nomicon | yeah |
| 14:00.19 | nomicon | I never learn :( |
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| 14:02.20 | themill | yeah. obey dpkg. do what it says. do not ask why. do not collect £200. (esp for doing something like this on a friday!) |
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| 14:02.40 | nomicon | haha |
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| 14:16.35 | jhutchins_wk | nomicon: Seriously, if an error message gives you explicit instructions you don't really need our advice. |
| 14:16.47 | jhutchins_wk | nomicon: I believe someone earlier recommended aptitude -f install |
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| 14:17.09 | average_drifter | hello |
| 14:17.11 | jhutchins_wk | nomicon: aptitude being a bit more rigorous. |
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| 14:17.15 | average_drifter | I have a script making .deb packages |
| 14:17.21 | average_drifter | and I get a trailing -1 in the name |
| 14:17.26 | nomicon | jhutchins_wk: whatever =) |
| 14:17.31 | average_drifter | like packagename-1_x86.deb |
| 14:17.33 | average_drifter | or something like that |
| 14:17.43 | average_drifter | how can I get rid of that silly -1 ? |
| 14:17.57 | jhutchins_wk | average_drifter: How would we know the workings of an arbitrary script? |
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| 14:18.43 | jhutchins_wk | average_drifter: The only obvious answer is mv packagename-1_x86.deb packagename_x86.deb |
| 14:18.53 | average_drifter | dh_make -c gpl2 -e email@email.org -s --createorig -p $PACKAGE\_${VERSION} |
| 14:18.56 | average_drifter | I basically do that |
| 14:18.57 | average_drifter | right ? |
| 14:19.04 | average_drifter | so I still get a "-1" inside the package name |
| 14:19.20 | average_drifter | although neither ${PACKAGE} nor ${VERSION} have a "-1" in them |
| 14:19.25 | average_drifter | so dh_make just decides to add that -1 |
| 14:19.39 | average_drifter | jhutchins_wk: yes but it must be something about dh_make |
| 14:19.52 | average_drifter | usually dh_make behaves and doesn't do that kind of stuff, but I encountered it in a previous project as well |
| 14:20.19 | jhutchins_wk | My guess would be that there is an a file that already exists somewhere in the tree. |
| 14:20.50 | jhutchins_wk | -1 is a pretty standard method for creating a file without overwriting an existing file of the same name. |
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| 14:21.37 | average_drifter | jhutchins_wk: hmm |
| 14:21.45 | average_drifter | jhutchins_wk: I'll grep for the name of the package in my stuff |
| 14:21.57 | average_drifter | jhutchins_wk: maybe it recorded it somewhere and now it thinks it's smart and tries to do "-1" |
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| 14:22.11 | average_drifter | I hate it when software tries to be smart but it's not |
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| 14:22.43 | keyzs | dd if=/dev/zero bs=2M oflag=direct | pv -s 1000G | dd bs=2M of=/dev/sdb iflag=direct && vmstat 1, are the flags on rigth place? |
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| 14:22.58 | keyzs | *right |
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| 14:34.43 | JimmyGulp | Hey folks, I'm trying to install debian on an xserve, which so far, is working (ie, I've booted from usb and can configure the network), but it errors when trying to download the files after selecting whether I want stable / unstable / testing. Have attempted many mirrors, and many versions but its just being a bit daft. any pointers? |
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| 14:35.39 | jhutchins_wk | JimmyGulp: DNS |
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| 14:36.48 | JimmyGulp | jhutchins_wk: I don't think its that, it appears to be wget issuing the 404, and if I try the wget manually from the command line (on the xserve) I get content back |
| 14:36.51 | abrotman | or bad route ? |
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| 14:37.02 | abrotman | JimmyGulp: which version of Debian ? |
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| 14:37.49 | JimmyGulp | abrotman: attempting 6.0.5 live CD (via some odd efi boot sequence), but I get the same if using the image from the christopher smart blog (http://blog.christophersmart.com/2009/07/23/linux-on-an-apple-xserve-efi-only-machine/) |
| 14:38.27 | abrotman | didn't realize they were making x86 xserve's anymore |
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| 14:39.07 | JimmyGulp | abrotman: they don't, which is why I want something more useful than an OS X tiger install... ;) |
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| 14:39.45 | abrotman | had debian on a PPC xserve .. worked great |
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| 14:41.57 | JimmyGulp | this is the syslog output, if it helps point me in the right direction :) http://jimmygulp.co.uk/~james/debian_404.jpg |
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| 14:45.22 | cjdavies | rebooted a Debian 6 server last night & it didn't come back up, went to the machine room & connected a monitor & mdadm had successfully assembled the array but then when it parsed fstab it said it couldn't find a device that matched the array's UUID |
| 14:45.34 | cjdavies | I checked the UUID in mdadm --detail & it matches that in fstab |
| 14:45.37 | cjdavies | any ideas? |
| 14:45.58 | cjdavies | atm I either have to resort to using /dev/md<x> in fstab, or attend the server in person whenever it needs to reboot |
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| 14:47.52 | thewanderer1 | actually, since device names like md0 should be stable (as per mdadm.conf) - there should be no harm in using them |
| 14:48.47 | cjdavies | thewanderer1: even so, I'm curious as to why it fails |
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| 14:49.00 | cjdavies | though I can't really issue a reboot to test as it's a production machine... |
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| 14:49.37 | thewanderer1 | oh wait... shouldn't you be using filesystem UUID, not mdadm UUID? |
| 14:49.52 | cjdavies | ah |
| 14:49.53 | cjdavies | yes |
| 14:49.58 | cjdavies | blkid on /dev/md<x> right? |
| 14:50.11 | thewanderer1 | yes, if you have the FS directly on that |
| 14:50.27 | cjdavies | seem to remember I do, partitions are for chumps |
| 14:51.32 | cjdavies | I think I've actually done this before |
| 14:51.40 | cjdavies | should really learn from my mistakes |
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| 14:56.54 | DammitJim | does debian use runlevel 2 for multiuser mode and X window system? |
| 14:57.04 | DammitJim | cat /etc/inittab |
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| 14:58.13 | DammitJim | hhhmmm.. maybe it's 5 |
| 14:58.25 | thewanderer1 | it's 2 |
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| 15:01.09 | pzn | We have a single internet connection for about 20 people working in the same placa. Many like the same webradio http://www.antena1.com.br/playerAoVivo.php any way to "re-stream" the radio, so we spend bandwidth of a single client only? We use debian at servers and clients |
| 15:01.17 | bolt | uses runlevel 3 for xwindows |
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| 15:02.04 | jelly | DammitJim: debian pretty much uses only runlevel 2 for normal mode, by default... 3, 4, 5 do not have any special predefined meaning and are identical to 2 |
| 15:03.10 | Kiov | pzn: vlc can take the stream from internet and re-stream to the local network |
| 15:03.47 | rozie | pzn: if you can connect to the stream using vlc/mplayer, then yes, you can make the proxy |
| 15:04.06 | pzn | Kiov, rozie: thanks! exactly what I need |
| 15:04.13 | rozie | but you'll need to convince people to use your proxy address instead of original web page |
| 15:04.29 | pzn | rozie, that is easy :-) |
| 15:04.38 | DammitJim | thanks jelly ... I was making sure I was understanding the docs |
| 15:04.45 | rozie | and extracting URL from embedded player may be non-trivial |
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| 15:07.59 | lowkyalur | hello |
| 15:08.06 | rozie | pzn: mplayer icyx://s9.mediastreaming.it:7050 seems to work, but I can hear nothing |
| 15:09.43 | asturel | rozie or just redirect to the proxy :D |
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| 15:15.02 | DammitJim | does Debian use upstart or systemd or none? |
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| 15:17.59 | Sevet | DammitJim: sysvinit |
| 15:18.15 | DammitJim | even for sid/wheezy? |
| 15:18.26 | DammitJim | I think I read a debate about which one Debian should use |
| 15:18.48 | Sevet | for now yes |
| 15:19.02 | Sevet | but you can also install systemd |
| 15:19.22 | DammitJim | thanks... no need here... just trying to understand where we are (I run wheezy) |
| 15:19.33 | Sevet | or upstart too |
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| 15:29.24 | esing1 | Hello |
| 15:29.51 | esing1 | Last time I used chown my system did not work anymore |
| 15:30.01 | esing1 | Can I safely use chown on my downloads home dir? |
| 15:30.24 | esing1 | chown -R ftpuser /home/user/downloads |
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| 15:31.52 | toolunious | I know somebody who did chmod -R 0775 /* |
| 15:32.03 | toolunious | broke everything |
| 15:32.12 | esing1 | Heh :) |
| 15:32.27 | toolunious | but your command is safe |
| 15:32.39 | esing1 | Thanks for asuring me |
| 15:32.50 | esing1 | I still don't understand why that breaks everything, certain system files don't work anymore with 0775 ? |
| 15:33.15 | Sevet | it'd certainly break some stuff |
| 15:33.17 | Sevet | ping for a start... |
| 15:33.29 | Sevet | (it'd strip setuid/setgid bits) |
| 15:33.56 | jordanm | SSH will typically refuse to work with insecure perms as well |
| 15:34.20 | jordanm | the /etc/shadow file doesn't like to be read by everyone |
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| 15:36.24 | toolunious | but an active session; this will break down as well. Something with /proc ? |
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| 15:48.07 | Dan39 | why does it seem like sometimes the home/end keys work in less and sometimes they dont :( |
| 15:48.52 | damacus | terminal? |
| 15:48.59 | Dan39 | urxvt-unicode |
| 15:49.07 | Dan39 | ssh'd in |
| 15:49.12 | Dan39 | i set TERm to rxvt-unicode |
| 15:49.18 | Dan39 | then go into tmux |
| 15:49.38 | Dan39 | TERM right now is actually just rxvt |
| 15:49.45 | damacus | peel back the layers, does it work immediately after sshing in, but not after tmux? |
| 15:49.53 | damacus | does changing TERM affect it, etc |
| 15:50.06 | damacus | narrow it down more. |
| 15:51.24 | Dan39 | weird tho even when in tmux i can do this lil trick with lesskey -o .less - to get it working all the time |
| 15:51.26 | Sevet | so building a partition table on my first 4096 byte sector disk... fdisk warns 'Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary.', what values do i use to align it correctly? (wanting a single partition for software raid) |
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| 15:52.12 | Dan39 | hmmm |
| 15:52.20 | Dan39 | almost forgot i was su |
| 15:52.34 | Dan39 | damacus: the problem seems to come when i su |
| 15:52.52 | Dan39 | hold on |
| 15:52.58 | Dan39 | lemme try as root without tmux and crap |
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| 15:54.02 | Dan39 | ugh |
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| 15:54.23 | Dan39 | i still have to always change my TERM anyways, since 'rxvt-unicode-256color': unknown terminal type. |
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| 15:57.06 | Dan39 | this ongoing battle with TERMs and crap is really getting annoying :| |
| 15:57.19 | Dan39 | im bout to just switch terminals |
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| 15:58.11 | damacus | sudo ln -s /lib/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode /lib/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode-256color |
| 15:59.52 | babilen | damacus: Do you have ncurses-term installed? Which version of Debian is this? |
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| 16:00.23 | damacus | i do, not sure about Dan39 |
| 16:00.35 | damacus | either way ncurses-term on squeeze doesn't have that exact terminfo fiole |
| 16:00.48 | damacus | thus my recommendation of a symlink, assuming Dan's running squeeze also |
| 16:00.59 | damacus | I have version 5.7+20100313-5 |
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| 16:02.14 | Dan39 | i ncurses-term |
| 16:02.22 | babilen | One could also backport ncurses-term, but since when is rxvt-unicode-256color in squeeze? |
| 16:02.31 | babilen | Dan39: Which version of Debian is this? |
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| 16:02.46 | Dan39 | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 |
| 16:02.57 | Dan39 | squeeze :P |
| 16:03.00 | babilen | Dan39: How did you install rxvt-unicode-256color? |
| 16:03.09 | Dan39 | i didnt |
| 16:03.13 | Dan39 | thats my terminal at home |
| 16:03.20 | Dan39 | im ssh'd into this debian box |
| 16:04.20 | babilen | Yeah, that's problematic. You can set your TERM to something else or make sure that the boxes you SSH into have that terminfo installed. rxvt-unicode should work fine. |
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| 16:06.07 | Dan39 | well |
| 16:06.10 | babilen | Dan39: You can also copy your terminfo into ~/.terminfo as detailed on http://lifeafter2am.net/2011/09/fixing-terminal-unknown-errors-when-sshing-around/ -- I've used that and it worked. |
| 16:06.35 | Dan39 | still cant even use screen, it limits the term length haha |
| 16:08.03 | babilen | Yeah, the screen version is buggy in that regard. There is a report about this in the BTS, but I am not sure how much progress they made. I also don't think that the version in squeeze will be fixed. |
| 16:08.15 | Dan39 | its like 1 simple code change |
| 16:08.22 | Dan39 | many other distros use the patch |
| 16:08.50 | babilen | Dan39: screen in Debian works fine, just not the version in stable. And it is stable (== unchanging) after all, so you may keep all the bugs too! |
| 16:09.08 | Dan39 | theres a line like "if (lengethof(term) > 32) { error 'term is too long } |
| 16:09.20 | Dan39 | heh |
| 16:09.31 | damacus | wtf |
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| 16:09.45 | Dan39 | damacus: ? |
| 16:09.46 | damacus | i use screen regularly and my standard terminal size is 160x50 |
| 16:09.55 | Dan39 | not terminal size |
| 16:10.02 | damacus | oh... |
| 16:10.03 | Dan39 | the length of the TERM variable |
| 16:10.06 | damacus | gotcha. |
| 16:10.11 | damacus | that seems stupid. |
| 16:10.15 | Dan39 | indeed it is |
| 16:10.15 | babilen | Dan39: It's a bit more involved IIRC, but that is one instance where they hardcode the length of TERM |
| 16:10.41 | Dan39 | well they put the limit in to stop like an exploit or something iirc |
| 16:11.05 | babilen | Dan39: Been there, done that. Best advice: Use tmux, copy the terminfo for rxvt-unicode-256color to ~/.terminfo/r/ on the remote hosts and be merry. |
| 16:11.11 | Dan39 | but no, its not really much more complicated IIRC, there really is patch for just that 1 line of code to change the length limit from 32 to something like 64 |
| 16:12.05 | babilen | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=621804 |
| 16:12.25 | Dan39 | or only 20 |
| 16:12.26 | Dan39 | haha |
| 16:13.27 | babilen | ,v screen |
| 16:13.28 | judd | Package: screen on i386 -- lenny: 4.0.3-11+lenny1; squeeze: 4.0.3-14; wheezy: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-5; sid: 4.1.0~20120320gitdb59704-7 |
| 16:13.44 | babilen | ,checkbackport screen |
| 16:13.46 | judd | Backporting package screen in sid→squeeze/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using squeeze, squeeze-backports. |
| 16:14.15 | babilen | Dan39: You can also backport a newer screen version per "/msg dpkg ssb" ... But I guess that you don't have root on every remote system. |
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| 16:15.48 | Dan39 | i sure like that link you sent me babilen :P |
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| 16:16.01 | Dan39 | i knew that was possible just kinda forgot/havnt gottena round to doing it |
| 16:16.32 | babilen | Dan39: I've just found "term rxvt-256color" in my ~/.screenrc on a remote (squeeze) system. Forgot about that ... |
| 16:16.33 | jhutchins_wk | There is at least one alternative to screen ... does tiling. Isn't it rxvt? |
| 16:16.53 | Dan39 | o_O |
| 16:16.56 | Dan39 | tmux? |
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| 16:17.08 | somiaj | yea if you don't have root access, you can compile a version in $HOME. I have $HOME/bin in my path for such things. |
| 16:17.11 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: tmux? |
| 16:17.18 | somiaj | jhutchins_wk: rxvt is a terminal. |
| 16:17.19 | babilen | jhutchins_wk is thinking of dvtm probably |
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| 16:17.50 | jhutchins_wk | somiaj: That's it, rxvt is just an xterm. |
| 16:18.00 | babilen | Everybody needs ~/bin in his/her PATH! |
| 16:18.09 | Dan39 | and then for some reason tmux always sets TERM=screen when you use it |
| 16:18.09 | Dan39 | :| |
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| 16:18.20 | babilen | (just to mess with you) |
| 16:18.22 | damacus | screenis envy |
| 16:18.26 | babilen | What about screen inside tmux? |
| 16:18.26 | confused | hello i have taken image of my harddisk with dd and i want to copy it into a empty harddisk and make it bootable so that i will be able to use my old system again . how can i do that. btw my distro is debian 6.0.5 |
| 16:18.37 | Dan39 | seems to work |
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| 16:19.18 | damacus | confused: it works fine |
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| 16:19.27 | Dan39 | whats wrong with it leaving my dam TERM set to what it is |
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| 16:19.36 | somiaj | to bad molly guard can't detect screen + ssh correctly because of how screen sets up its terminal |
| 16:19.42 | confused | damacus: ?? |
| 16:20.12 | jhutchins_wk | confused: dd if=<image> of=<device> |
| 16:20.18 | somiaj | confused: just use dd again put the image on the new hardrive. You did dd the whole hd or did you just dd your partitions? |
| 16:20.30 | confused | i did it but when i booted my pc did not boot |
| 16:20.39 | somiaj | confused: you will have to deal with your partition table/filesystem sizes not fitting on the possibally larger drive. |
| 16:20.54 | somiaj | confused: oh you have to then chroot into the filesystem and reinstall grub in the mbr of the new drive |
| 16:21.01 | confused | somiaj: i saw a tut on the net : sudo dd if=/dev/hd_ | gzip > /mnt/hd__/image_name.dd.gz |
| 16:21.04 | confused | i did it like this |
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| 16:22.09 | damacus | confused: given that you have both HDDs in a single computer, current at /dev/sda, new at /dev/sdb and sdb is larger than sda: boot off a livecd and then dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
| 16:22.21 | Dan39 | nows it even more f'edup |
| 16:22.33 | Dan39 | i give up |
| 16:22.41 | somiaj | confused: so things to check 1) check the partition table with 'fdisk -l /dev/new_disk' |
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| 16:22.58 | Dan39 | probably have to fix some crap with the locales too or whatnot |
| 16:23.00 | somiaj | confused: 2) check the file system. See if you can mount your root partition at say /mnt and see all your files on the new drive |
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| 16:23.24 | confused | somiaj: when i open my pc with a live cd i see my sda |
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| 16:23.48 | somiaj | confused: 3) once you can mount your new copy, mount /proc and /dev inside /mnt (With mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc) and then chroot /mnt |
| 16:23.57 | confused | somiaj: so i must use dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb |
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| 16:24.14 | somiaj | confused: I thought you said you already used dd to put the data back on the drive |
| 16:24.31 | confused | i used this : sudo dd if=/dev/hd_ | gzip > /mnt/hd__/image_name.dd.gz |
| 16:24.35 | jhutchins_wk | confused: Did you unzip the image before or while you wrote it to the disk? |
| 16:24.37 | somiaj | confused: you can either a) copy from disk to disk or b) copy from disk to image. Note if you gzip your image you have to gunzip the image before dding it back on |
| 16:24.48 | confused | jhutchins_wk: yes i unzipeed it |
| 16:25.01 | confused | somiaj: i did gunzip |
| 16:25.09 | somiaj | confused: ok so page up and read though my suggestions. STart poking around and see if the image was coppied onto the drive correctly |
| 16:25.12 | confused | so last thing i must make it bootable i think |
| 16:25.20 | confused | ok |
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| 16:25.52 | somiaj | confused: i.e. check the parttion table. Check the file system. Mount the filesyste and /proc,/dev inside of it. Chroot into it. rerun update-grub and grub-install (or dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc) to get grub to boot correctly |
| 16:25.52 | confused | fdısk -l says sda doesnot have a valid partition table |
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| 16:26.11 | damacus | then you have deeper problems then making it bootable :) |
| 16:26.14 | confused | i must install grub i think |
| 16:26.24 | damacus | confused: you showed us the command you used to create the image but not to write the image |
| 16:26.32 | somiaj | if you don't have a valid parttion table then you need to figure out why your image didn't copy corectly. |
| 16:26.49 | confused | hm sorry . i used that command to write sudo gzip -dc /mnt/hd__/image_name.dd.gz | dd of=/dev/hd_ |
| 16:27.03 | confused | damacus: new harddisk is empty |
| 16:27.06 | confused | not used before |
| 16:27.08 | somiaj | di you really type /dev/hd_? |
| 16:27.14 | confused | no |
| 16:27.18 | somiaj | you should have type /dev/sdb (or what ever the actualy drive is) |
| 16:27.21 | confused | this was example |
| 16:27.30 | damacus | stop using examples and tell us what you did |
| 16:27.31 | somiaj | when asked what command you typed, give us the exact command you typed not the example you were following |
| 16:28.43 | confused | ok. gzip -dc /mnt/sdb/disk.dd.gz | dd of=/dev/sda |
| 16:28.51 | confused | i used that command damacus somiaj |
| 16:29.19 | confused | must i format the new harddisk before unzipping my image file |
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| 16:29.40 | peterS | confused: no, but you do have to tell the kernel to reread the partition table on it |
| 16:29.48 | confused | ?? |
| 16:29.57 | confused | peterS: i havenot used the new harddisk . it is empty |
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| 16:30.12 | peterS | yeah, just saying, the kernel won't read the new empty disk to see its partition table, unless you tell it to |
| 16:30.20 | confused | how |
| 16:30.28 | confused | i am a bit newbie on linux |
| 16:30.28 | confused | :S |
| 16:30.29 | peterS | anyway if you are using 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' then that shouldn't be an issue |
| 16:30.33 | apple-iBookG4 | heyz! I have a broadcom4306. I installed b43 drivers, and it works. EXCEPT the tray icon, which remains always "off", in the sense that the signal's power strenght results always ZERO even if it's at the maximum |
| 16:30.33 | peterS | it doesn't ask the kernel |
| 16:30.33 | apple-iBookG4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.34 | apple-iBookG4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.44 | apple-iBookG4 | I'm with LXDE |
| 16:30.53 | Dan39 | well ive go so far off the original issue |
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| 16:31.27 | Dan39 | the original issue was HOME/END keys not working in less... and they actually do most of the time, but when i ssh in as normal use then use su, thats when they dont |
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| 16:31.54 | confused | can someone tell me how can i make a partition table for my newly(not used) harddisk after that i will extract my old harddisk's image |
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| 16:33.22 | peterS | Dan39: when you su, what is $TERM? i.e., 'echo $TERM' - should be something like 'xterm' or 'linux' |
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| 16:35.05 | Dan39 | well |
| 16:35.08 | Dan39 | now its working |
| 16:35.10 | Dan39 | sooooo |
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| 16:35.23 | sparr_L | What is the difference in `ulimit -n` and /proc/sys/fs/file-max ? |
| 16:35.28 | Dan39 | but ive saved my terminfo localy |
| 16:35.30 | Dan39 | maybe that helped |
| 16:35.41 | Dan39 | why does such have to change the dam term |
| 16:35.44 | Dan39 | :| |
| 16:36.17 | Dan39 | sparr_L: i believe one is a limit per user and other is the whole filesystem |
| 16:36.20 | guest5760 | Hi, I got a question: I switched from X to tty1 with Ctrl+Alt+F1. Now I want to switch back but I can't do that because I'm not sitting in front of the machine. However, I need to switch back to X because my VNC server doesn't work otherwise. Is there a way how I can do that from remote? |
| 16:36.39 | peterS | guest5760: 'chvt 7' |
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| 16:37.18 | guest5760 | peterS: Thank you very much! |
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| 16:37.28 | peterS | no problem |
| 16:37.38 | Dan39 | sparr_L: was just messing with that recently, the defaults are pretty low :( |
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| 16:39.21 | guest5760 | peterS: worked, thank you! |
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| 16:40.17 | peterrooney | I wonder what vnc server cares which vt is presenting to the video card |
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| 16:40.46 | peterrooney | also wonders about his own grasp of grammar. |
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| 16:43.49 | peterS | peterrooney: at a guess, if the vnc server is tied to the main X server, it cares because the X server disables/enables itself based on vt switches - so that keyboard / mouse activity don't affect X while you're in another VC |
| 16:44.18 | peterS | if the X server actually picked up all your keystrokes and mouse movements while you were in another VC, that would be very bad (: |
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| 17:03.18 | apple-iBookG4 | What do you suggest? (I'm using LXDE) |
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| 17:08.06 | simonlnu | !lxde |
| 17:08.06 | dpkg | The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available for Debian since Lenny. To install, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:09.48 | simonlnu | using network-manager i assume? |
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| 17:37.18 | anomaly | I install php5 and apache2.. it looked like everything was setup, I double checked the /etc/apache2/mods-enable and php5 is loaded with a2enmod, but if I call up a .php file it is giving me a 500 internal server error. index.html loads fine though |
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| 17:37.31 | teraflop | !dselect |
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| 17:37.50 | ksk | anomaly: take a look at your error-log. |
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| 17:40.02 | jordanm | anomaly: that likely means the php script is being executed but erroring |
| 17:40.20 | jordanm | anomaly: if mod_php5 wasn't working, you would see the php code as text |
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| 17:40.55 | anomaly | ksk and jordanm, thank you.. it was my newbie-ish mistake in forgetting to just tail the error log.. I forgot the ending ; |
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| 17:43.34 | otkrick | Hi, guys. Where list of all available packages stores in Debian? |
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| 17:43.52 | AimHere | packages.debian.org |
| 17:44.15 | AimHere | If you mean a list of the packages |
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| 17:44.59 | AimHere | If you mean which sites will provide you with debian packages, root around in here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 17:45.55 | otkrick | AimHere: I see, but I'm going to use this info in script. Maybe there is a way to show local base? |
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| 17:46.27 | AimHere | I'm not sure myself |
| 17:46.49 | otkrick | AimHere: thank you |
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| 17:51.16 | somiaj | otkrick: apt-cache will allow you to look though all available packages installable for the release you are pinned against. |
| 17:51.44 | somiaj | otkrick: so you can use that to see what is available for your paticular debian install (and assoicated sources.list) |
| 17:52.38 | somiaj | for example apt-cache stats will tell you how many packages are available. |
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| 17:54.55 | somiaj | otkrick: do you just want a list such as 'apt-cache pkgnames'? |
| 17:55.51 | otkrick | somiaj: THANK YOU, 'apt-cache pkgnames' is my issue |
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| 17:56.50 | somiaj | of course that is only what is available on the system that runs that. It wll change based on debian version and/or sources.list (With unoffical sources, or even the contrib and non-free extras) |
| 17:56.59 | otkrick | somiaj: oh, no.. pkgnames show me installed packages |
| 17:57.09 | somiaj | no it doesn't it shows all packages avaialbe to apt |
| 17:57.19 | somiaj | if you don't have any sources.list setup for apt, it can only see the local or installed packages |
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| 17:57.44 | somiaj | otkrick: check /etc/apt/sources.list and run 'apt-get update' to make sure you have the most recent package list from your mirror |
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| 18:00.13 | somiaj | also apt-cache pkgnames | sort if you want it althebetical |
| 18:00.27 | otkrick | somiaj: thank you |
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| 18:03.41 | valqk | hi guys |
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| 18:11.13 | lan3 | hey guys |
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| 18:13.12 | valqk | I have to apply HP firmware update but I get ./ccissflash: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file |
| 18:13.31 | valqk | that's in squeeze while trying to apply CP012811.scexe |
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| 18:13.53 | valqk | I suppose they have built it for the redhat rescue cd |
| 18:13.56 | danols_work | server admins, what do you use to monitor performance/availability of your servers? A tool perhaps for both, we have a few VPS with linode. Just throw some names at me :) |
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| 18:14.49 | Dan39 | im trying to setup nginx + php5. ive got it setup with spawn-fcgi and seems to be mostly working, but after a few minutes php5-cgi just closes |
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| 18:15.09 | Dan39 | ive edited php.ini to try to get logging to work, but its just not writing to the logs |
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| 18:15.18 | danols_work | Dan39 this is not an answer but why not keep it simple and use apache ? |
| 18:15.24 | somiaj | danols_work: I hear zabbix get used by my friends. I'm more a hobbiest thoug. |
| 18:15.27 | Dan39 | i usually do |
| 18:15.31 | valqk | anyone applied this firmware upgrade to the p200i? |
| 18:15.36 | valqk | Dan39, use php5-fpm |
| 18:15.37 | Dan39 | but i hear good things about nginx and wanted to try it |
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| 18:15.45 | danols_work | somiaj is that third party ? I am looking for server software |
| 18:15.46 | digdilem | danols_work, munin for performance, nagios for availability |
| 18:15.55 | lan3 | i'm having quite a bit of an issue trying to start gnome on my system. for some reason, when I try to log into Gnome, it fails out complaining about extensions. |
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| 18:15.59 | Dan39 | i was trying to keep it easy and use available packages, php5-fpm isnt in squeeze afaik |
| 18:16.29 | Dan39 | tutorial recommended using spawn-fcgi, and that works fine, until it stops working for no reason and i have to restart it... :| |
| 18:16.33 | danols_work | Dan39 - i went through that as well and eventually settled on apache as it just works |
| 18:16.33 | somiaj | danols_work: its opensource, and I belive it is a server/client issue. Wher eyou have a centeral server that the clients report to. |
| 18:16.43 | Dan39 | my question pretty here is why is php not logging |
| 18:16.46 | Dan39 | wheres the dam logs at |
| 18:16.50 | valqk | danols_work, nagios |
| 18:16.55 | somiaj | danols_work: you'll get much more info with google. But people I know like that tool. |
| 18:16.58 | Dan39 | if i could read the errors maybe i could fix it |
| 18:17.04 | danols_work | heard of nagios and munin |
| 18:17.10 | danols_work | seems you can setup nagios to do performance too yes ? |
| 18:17.17 | danols_work | (http://library.linode.com/monitoring-and-maintaining) |
| 18:17.24 | danols_work | Dan39 hold on |
| 18:17.25 | digdilem | maybe, i just like the range of munin graphs and plugins |
| 18:17.28 | danols_work | I forget I'll try to find an answer |
| 18:17.49 | Dan39 | i see some tutorials that provide php5-fpm packages |
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| 18:18.31 | lan3 | anyone have any ideas? |
| 18:18.34 | somiaj | danols_work: http://www.zabbix.com/monitor_everything.php |
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| 18:19.27 | Dan39 | looks like most of the tutorials are telling me to install it from dotdeb.org |
| 18:19.56 | Dan39 | !dotdeb |
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| 18:19.57 | dpkg | Dotdeb (http://dotdeb.org/) is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack. Dotdeb packages are unsupported in #debian. The packages from backports.debian.org are vastly superior, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'". |
| 18:20.02 | simonlnu | ignore them |
| 18:20.16 | Dan39 | !bdo |
| 18:20.17 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ to enable and use. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg>, <bdo NEW>. |
| 18:20.17 | simonlnu | don't do dotdeb |
| 18:20.27 | Dan39 | dpkg beat ya too it :P |
| 18:20.28 | dpkg | beats ya too it :P with a large stick. |
| 18:20.28 | danols_work | Dan39 sorry can't help |
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| 18:20.44 | danols_work | somiaj why did you pick it ? |
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| 18:20.48 | simonlnu | to |
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| 18:21.07 | rocket | Is this the correct room to ask debian packaging related questions? |
| 18:21.08 | somiaj | danols_work: as I said my sysadmin friends all implmented it at their work and they seem to like it (they even have it setup to send sms alerts to their smart phones) |
| 18:21.21 | simonlnu | too is a synonym for also, so it doesn't really work |
| 18:21.22 | somiaj | rocket: you can, but #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net usually gives better answers. |
| 18:21.38 | lan3 | Anyone have an idea as to how I can resolve my Gnome 3-related issue |
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| 18:21.48 | danols_work | somiaj k |
| 18:21.52 | valqk | noone updated p200i? |
| 18:21.55 | somiaj | danols_work: but you just wanted some names, best way is to grab a few and play around see if you like the config/syntax of setting it up or not. |
| 18:21.58 | Dan39 | err |
| 18:22.00 | Dan39 | simonlnu: yes i know |
| 18:22.05 | Dan39 | it was a typo, stfu plz. |
| 18:22.18 | rocket | I am trying to pull in a source built maven to use at compile time and I am trying to figure out how to specify its path and/or extra env variables |
| 18:22.23 | Dan39 | im not a complete moron |
| 18:22.46 | danols_work | somiaj that's true just doing R&D before I try any |
| 18:22.46 | simonlnu | gee, try to help someone and you get lambasted. *plonk* |
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| 18:22.54 | Dan39 | that was not helping |
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| 18:23.28 | Dan39 | only help you gave was saying dont use dotdeb, then you just went off topic about my extra o, insulting me |
| 18:23.44 | somiaj | rocket: I guess I don't follow you. Are you trying to build a package for maven from a newer version or include it in another package? |
| 18:24.06 | wilee-nilee | Dan39, using a synonym to react unfriendly is hardly a functional response. |
| 18:24.08 | jelly-home | insults simonlnu with a speling correction |
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| 18:24.54 | rocket | somiaj: I am building different software that required maven 3.X be installed |
| 18:25.01 | rocket | we have installed that via source |
| 18:25.18 | rocket | I need to know how to make the debian build process find that on my filesystem |
| 18:25.44 | somiaj | rocket: /msg dpkg equivs (you can use this to make a 'fake' package so the depends are met) |
| 18:25.47 | jelly-home | Dan39: the short answer is, there is no FPM ABI of php provided by Debian for the squeeze release. dotdeb packages have historically been of debatable quality and creating problems with the packaging system |
| 18:26.08 | danols_work | Dan39 when you have PHP + Apache where does it log ? |
| 18:26.21 | Dan39 | /var/log/apache2/ |
| 18:26.25 | somiaj | rocket: /msg dpkg ssbp and /msg dpkg uupdate (you can use that to make newer packages from either sid (or upstream) so you install your 3.x maven from a package and not in /usr/local from source) |
| 18:26.42 | danols_work | ok I thought PHP loged regardless of server |
| 18:26.45 | Dan39 | depends tho i guess |
| 18:26.46 | somiaj | rocket: and also stow for /usr/local complied stuff is a nice way to manage it if you do it a lot. -- is that the type of stuff you are looking for? |
| 18:26.48 | danols_work | hmm let me check my settings (i'm a django guy) |
| 18:26.54 | Dan39 | o the php logs, im not sure exactly |
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| 18:27.07 | Dan39 | its in /var/log/ somewheres :P |
| 18:27.39 | rocket | somiaj: I am just looking for a way to make my ./configure routine be able to find maven in a non-standard location .. its really only used for building the software |
| 18:27.50 | Dan39 | jelly-home: really? thanks for repeating that a 4th time >_< |
| 18:27.53 | damacus | +1 to Zabbix |
| 18:28.00 | rocket | I was hoping I wasnt going to need to go through the hastle of packaging maven |
| 18:28.01 | danols_work | Dan39 check /etc/php5/ngix does it exist ? |
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| 18:28.14 | damacus | compiled 2.0.3 on squeeze the other day. |
| 18:28.15 | danols_work | there is a /apache/php.ini that specifies where to log |
| 18:28.22 | danols_work | so hoping nigx would have same setup if not |
| 18:28.25 | JessicaW | does anyone know how to pxe boot with bonded nics? |
| 18:28.26 | somiaj | rocket: well equivs is only used if you have debian packages that depend on maven and need a package place holder for depends |
| 18:28.44 | danols_work | - well truly the bottlenecks of speed will be in your code not the server |
| 18:28.45 | Dan39 | thats because apache has its own php mod |
| 18:28.55 | somiaj | rocket: if ./configure isn't finding it, that is not really a debian packaging issue, but an issue of the configure script. Did you check config.log and see why it isn't finding it |
| 18:28.55 | Dan39 | nginx the way im doing it is using php5-cgi |
| 18:29.08 | Dan39 | so i edit config /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini |
| 18:29.14 | danols_work | Dan39 clearly this is above my head - I run a few legacy php sites that sit |
| 18:29.16 | peterS | JessicaW: sounds more like a question of bios extensions - or a question of a switch that allows non-LACP traffic with an LACP configuration, something I am told is legitimate, but many switches won't do it |
| 18:29.17 | rocket | somiaj: I will check that |
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| 18:29.22 | Dan39 | thanks danols_work :P |
| 18:29.23 | somiaj | rocket: usually they run a command and maven should still be in your /usr/local so it paths/libs are seen by the system |
| 18:29.40 | somiaj | rocket: so ti could be the configure script is missing something really small. sometimes a link can fix it, etc |
| 18:29.48 | danols_work | sorry |
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| 18:30.21 | danols_work | zabbix is written in PHP ? |
| 18:30.31 | JessicaW | peterS: I know, I'm in a tough spot. I was wondering if on boot, I could get it to bond the nics before requesting an address |
| 18:30.41 | danols_work | so I'll pass on it |
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| 18:31.34 | peterS | JessicaW: well, note that PXE begins with the NIC's bios extension - even if you have a pxe boot loader that supports bonding, if that boot loader itself is never downloaded..... |
| 18:31.35 | somiaj | JessicaW: there are pre up/down, post up/down option syou can add to your interfaces |
| 18:31.54 | somiaj | ahh this is another issue, missed the actual question. |
| 18:31.55 | JessicaW | peterS: chicken and the egg.... |
| 18:31.58 | danols_work | K I think I'll try Nagiox thanks for all the sugestions |
| 18:32.35 | JessicaW | peterS: doesn't dracut support bonding? |
| 18:32.42 | peterS | JessicaW: yeah, your best bet is to convince the switch to allow traffic without LACP. someone told me recently that they'd fought with Cisco about this for years and finally gotten Cisco to admit that this should be legal |
| 18:32.57 | peterS | in my case it's an Arista switch that doesn't seem to allow it |
| 18:33.14 | JessicaW | peterS: we're using dell powerconnect l3 switches |
| 18:33.30 | JessicaW | peterS: not sure it's smart enough.... |
| 18:33.38 | peterS | as for dracut, that's still too late for pxe |
| 18:33.55 | peterS | oh and btw when you say bonding, do you mean LACP, or some other load balance / failover? |
| 18:34.02 | peterS | (lacp == 802.3ad) |
| 18:34.44 | JessicaW | peterS: I found this.... http://www.robotics.net/2012/03/ |
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| 18:35.04 | JessicaW | peterS: LACP. |
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| 18:35.32 | damacus | danols_work: zabbix has a PHP frontend |
| 18:35.35 | damacus | but it's C |
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| 18:36.08 | JessicaW | peterS: yeah, I need max throughput not balancing or active failover. |
| 18:36.10 | damacus | danols_work: you can run it without a frontend |
| 18:36.12 | peterS | JessicaW: I don't quite understand how they have that working - dracut still has to be loaded from the pxe / tftp server, and that loading process has to be done by the NIC bios |
| 18:36.27 | JessicaW | peterS: that was my thought too.... |
| 18:36.41 | damacus | (or just put the management interface on a separate box or even VM, doesn't matter.) |
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| 18:38.33 | peterS | JessicaW: of course if you happen to have a third or fourth NIC port, the other option is to just have one port _not_ in the LACP group - and all those servers can be plugged into some dumb netgear switch or something, so they aren't using up ports on the expensive switches - and do all the booting that way |
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| 18:40.27 | JessicaW | peterS: they have four onboard nics. so use the non lacp port to boot then have bonding enabled on the image? |
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| 18:40.54 | peterS | do you need bonding in order to mount the root filesystem? i.e., is it iscsi or nfs or something? |
| 18:41.05 | JessicaW | it's diskless boot |
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| 18:41.21 | JessicaW | cluster ----> compute nodes are diskless |
| 18:41.21 | peterS | if so, you'll need to figure out how to enable bonding in the initramfs - dracut or otherwise |
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| 18:42.35 | JessicaW | bah. i hate my job. |
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| 18:43.26 | peterS | I don't know anything about trying to convince an initramfs to do bonding - for my purpose, I have local disks so I don't have to set it up until 'ifup' time, i.e., /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:43.35 | peterS | even that was annoying to figure out though (: |
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| 18:45.20 | peterS | JessicaW: I do note that typically, on a compute node, you don't actually need high performance to the root filesystem. I mean, it's mostly in cache most of the time. So you _might_ get away with just using the non-bonded NIC port for the root filesystem, and a different IP on the LACP group for everything else, including /var and /home and stuff |
| 18:46.08 | peterS | that lets you put bond0 in /etc/network/interfaces, which is probably a lot easier than convincing the initramfs generator to set it up |
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| 18:46.28 | damacus | peterS: in that doc JessicaW linked, it indicates they're using passive mode LACP |
| 18:46.40 | damacus | if you were unsure about how it was able to PXE |
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| 18:46.45 | peterS | damacus: passive mode on which end? you mean on the switch? |
| 18:46.49 | damacus | aye |
| 18:46.51 | peterS | that could explain it, yeah |
| 18:46.56 | peterS | I never even thought of that |
| 18:47.18 | damacus | " The mode passive is important it does not setup the ports into the trunk group until the other end (our server) brings up the LACP trunk. This allows the server to do standard PXE Boot with DHCP and TFTP on the standard interface rather then failing because it was in trunk mode." |
| 18:47.38 | peterS | well there you go, JessicaW. figure out how to set your switch to LACP passive mode. |
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| 18:49.07 | peterS | though ... it could still be "fun" to try to move a NIC that is already in use (for the root filesystem) into bond0 |
| 18:49.25 | peterS | so you might still have to do all this in the initramfs after all |
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| 18:50.56 | Darkasakerionz | Hi!, is there any way to connect a machine tought openvpn in a remote location, and listen a port tought the server's openvpn ip? |
| 18:51.05 | peterS | (fortunately with modern sysfs, if you have to script something, it isn't all that hard. I mean, you don't have to actually have ifenslave available, just access to 'ip link' and, as usual, 'ip addr' and 'ip route'.) |
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| 18:52.14 | peterS | Darkasakerionz: openvpn just provides routing between one host or network and another. port forwarding is something else. Use double NAT with iptables, or something like rinetd |
| 18:52.51 | Darkasakerionz | have you any info, tutorial, or something to search in google for found that?, peterS |
| 18:53.50 | peterS | Darkasakerionz: by 'double NAT', I mean a DNAT rule in prerouting to route to the other IP/port, then an SNAT rule in postrouting to change the source IP/port to one's own |
| 18:54.14 | peterS | (if you don't do the SNAT, then the destination server will try to reply directly to the client, which won't work.) |
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| 18:54.48 | Darkasakerionz | I don't have any idea of how to to that... o.o |
| 18:55.10 | jordanm | !tell Darkasakerionz about cross-post |
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| 18:55.23 | hellyeah | hey |
| 18:55.31 | hellyeah | what does winbind daemon do? |
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| 18:55.44 | jordanm | I like when the cross-posting is less than a minute apart... |
| 18:55.50 | peterS | hellyeah: it's basically portmap for the 21st century |
| 18:55.53 | format_c | man winbind |
| 18:56.06 | peterS | hellyeah: where portmap is the classic sunrpc portmappper |
| 18:56.23 | peterS | wait, no, I totally got mixed up in the head. ignore me! |
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| 18:56.29 | peterS | that's rpcbind, not winbind! |
| 18:56.44 | hellyeah | :D |
| 18:57.03 | peterS | winbind is for mapping users/groups/passwords/uids/gids from Linux to a Windows domain controller |
| 18:57.09 | format_c | hellyeah: it makes only sense in conjunction with samba |
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| 18:57.46 | peterS | basically, to see your Windows domain users and groups as Unix users and groups, including the ability to log in with the same password |
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| 18:58.32 | peterS | it comes in two halves: the nss plugin to do the uid/gid mapping itself, and the pam plugin to handle passwords and authentication |
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| 18:58.50 | hellyeah | can i remove winbind |
| 18:59.10 | peterS | you didn't read any of what we wrote, did you |
| 18:59.17 | peterS | you can remove it if you don't need the things we are talking about |
| 18:59.18 | hellyeah | i read that |
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| 18:59.22 | format_c | If xou don't use samba integrated in a ADS yes |
| 18:59.38 | hellyeah | windows domain |
| 18:59.46 | hellyeah | i purchased linux domain |
| 19:00.00 | hellyeah | i dont have any clue about nss plugins |
| 19:00.13 | AresTheLion | linux domain? |
| 19:00.14 | AresTheLion | do want |
| 19:00.31 | format_c | Linux doains doesn' t exit. I thi u mean dns domains |
| 19:00.43 | peterS | not necessarily. lots of things are called 'domains' |
| 19:00.54 | peterS | one meaning of the term is 'guest OS instance' in a virtualization environment |
| 19:00.55 | format_c | That has nearky nothing to do with each other |
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| 19:01.14 | AresTheLion | a dns with someone including linux is the first thing i think of when i hear dns domain |
| 19:01.14 | peterS | that meaning would even make sense in this context |
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| 19:02.05 | hellyeah | what is exactly openbsd secure shell |
| 19:02.15 | format_c | peterS: sure but not obvious here. |
| 19:02.17 | hellyeah | btw i am working on localhost |
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| 19:02.44 | hellyeah | than upload the files to adrs via ftp client |
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| 19:02.57 | hellyeah | i am not in network with some computers |
| 19:03.10 | peterS | ok I'm out. it's one thing to answer a question about winbind, but anyone who hasn't heard of openssh probably needs to ask his sysadmin |
| 19:03.30 | jordanm | or wikipedia |
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| 19:03.54 | Dan39 | crosses his fingers... it might be stable now :D |
| 19:03.55 | hellyeah | i never used samba btw |
| 19:04.12 | peterS | sorry but it sounds like there's a great many things you've never used |
| 19:04.16 | format_c | hellyeah: please consider the topic of this channel |
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| 19:04.26 | hellyeah | okey |
| 19:05.56 | format_c | First try to find out your own using google and the resources mentioned in the topic. Then ask more specific. |
| 19:06.42 | format_c | Ups already left. |
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| 19:07.41 | format_c | I didnt have the feeling of having make him upset. |
| 19:08.35 | format_c | Ok see u |
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| 19:09.50 | lan3 | anyone have any idea on resolving Gnome 3 issues related failing to log in due to extensions being disabled? |
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| 19:13.31 | JessicaW | peterS: sorry about the late response. Server just crashed and had to run off. but yeah, passive LACP it is. |
| 19:13.42 | JessicaW | damacus: thanks for the suggestion |
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| 19:17.31 | jhutchins_wk | lan3: log in on a console. |
| 19:17.48 | jhutchins_wk | lan3: Aptitude -f install |
| 19:19.32 | jhutchins_wk | A domain is simply something, usually a group or area, over which some one or thing has dominion. |
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| 19:19.37 | ManoftheSea | My network manager is back to being broken on using bluetooth DUN |
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| 19:32.03 | cardamon | Hey gang. |
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| 19:36.01 | cardamon | Fiddling with chroot to run some development pulls of applications without noodling around in my own system. |
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| 19:36.49 | cardamon | Oh, neat, I can use debootstrap to install a local distro into the chroot? |
| 19:36.56 | cardamon | s/distro/release/ |
| 19:37.00 | ksk | yessir |
| 19:37.16 | cardamon | Getting a little sid in my wheezy without that nasty frankendeb. |
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| 19:38.00 | cardamon | Although it means maintaining two installations rather than 1. |
| 19:38.38 | ksk | if its for application testing i rather suggest installing some virtualisation thingy |
| 19:39.51 | thewanderer1 | anyone here using libpam-fprintd and willing to tell me how to enroll any OTHER finger than right index finger? |
| 19:41.01 | Devastator | ,version samba4 |
| 19:41.02 | judd | Package: samba4 on i386 -- sid: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3; wheezy: 4.0.0~beta2+dfsg1-3 |
| 19:41.26 | damacus | JessicaW: no prob :) |
| 19:41.39 | damacus | wow, nice.. glad to see samba4 is making it into wheezy |
| 19:42.25 | cardamon | http://wiki.debian.org/chroot <-- This page has terrible formating. |
| 19:42.37 | thewanderer1 | no matter what I tell fprintd-enroll, it always prints: Enrolling right index finger. |
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| 19:42.58 | thewanderer1 | but I don't want to enroll the right index finger... I want the thumb :( |
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| 19:43.13 | cardamon | Example: "/ Dev / pts / var / chroot / etch / dev / pts auto bind 0 0" |
| 19:43.13 | damacus | cardamon: lol.. wow.. it does. |
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| 19:44.44 | damacus | huh well |
| 19:44.49 | damacus | at least the content was much improved |
| 19:45.02 | damacus | updated / translated from the french version |
| 19:45.04 | cardamon | damacus: I think it's because it was translated from french...and being a Wiki I'd be happy to go in an fix it myself, but Debian Wikis aren't public/editable. |
| 19:45.09 | damacus | aye |
| 19:45.36 | damacus | i looked at the previous version and it wasnt as concrete/useful |
| 19:46.00 | cardamon | Seriously, it'd take a minute to fix. |
| 19:46.11 | cardamon | two, tops. |
| 19:46.32 | damacus | btw, if you're doing something with chroot, do you know about jailkit? |
| 19:46.52 | damacus | http://olivier.sessink.nl/jailkit/ |
| 19:47.20 | babilen | cardamon: You can edit/fix it, you just need to register/login |
| 19:47.23 | damacus | I use that mostly for setting up secure sftp accounts and whatnot.. i find it much nicer than doing chroots by hand |
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| 19:47.29 | sadtaco | http://pastebin.com/jMYCxX9w I have these iptables rules at iptables.rules but when I run "sudo iptables-apply iptables.rules" it returns the help, asks if I can establish a connection. After selecting yes, and viewing "iptables -L", the rules aren't applied at all. I don't see what I'm missing |
| 19:47.38 | thewanderer1 | so, any ideas how to select the finger? fprintd-enroll -f right-thumb still asks me for my right index finger. |
| 19:47.58 | thewanderer1 | I'm not a cat, I have thumbs :[ |
| 19:48.21 | damacus | i'm not a cat either :( |
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| 19:53.17 | jhutchins_wk | Niether am I, but I've had cats who had thumbs. |
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| 19:53.37 | jhutchins_wk | I had one that had two thumbs on each front paw. |
| 19:54.22 | cardamon | damacus: I'm doing chroots to allow for a kind of pinched off environment I can jetison into the sun if need be, so I can install a few development builds of applications without worrying about them messing up my ability to run the stable versions. |
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| 19:57.00 | damacus | ah, ok. yeah, for ad hoc stuff like that it probably doesnt matter :) |
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| 20:02.54 | cardamon | Yeah, I'm not trying to restrict users. I'm trying to restrict applications. |
| 20:03.26 | waziers | i'm having a problem with weird usb behavior: python with usb.core reading and writing to a usb device. sporadically a read will hang and the usb device is unreachable until plug out/in. anyone think they can help with some info? |
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| 20:04.17 | waziers | in "frozen mode" everything looks fine except python raises "Unknown Usb Error" and Device Status in lsusb keeps changing and is not 0x0000 |
| 20:06.01 | frikinz | waziers: did you try connecting through a usb hub? |
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| 20:06.15 | waziers | no, directly connected to onboard usb |
| 20:06.23 | lauris | hi, when is EOL for squeeze? |
| 20:07.58 | cardamon | lauris: It'll be moved t oldstable so you've got some time yet. |
| 20:08.40 | jelly-home | lauris: a year after squeeze+1 is released |
| 20:09.09 | lauris | is there a scheduled date for wheezy release? |
| 20:09.14 | cardamon | Nope. |
| 20:09.15 | jelly-home | nope |
| 20:09.25 | cardamon | It'll be done when it's done. |
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| 20:10.03 | cardamon | Like a Thanksgiving turkey. |
| 20:11.33 | cardamon | Protip: Don't stuff your turkeys for a more even cooking (cook the stuffing seperate with the rendered fat from the bird while the turkey itself rests), and use a probe thermometer rather than those pushpin thermometers the birds sometimes come with. |
| 20:12.45 | cardamon | Main issue is the birds themselves cook unevenly, particularly when they're more massive. |
| 20:13.31 | cardamon | I cooked a twenty four pound bird once. A nightmare. |
| 20:13.55 | kesroesweyth | I can't seem to use scp to copy anything from my system. I'm using public key auth and an account which has ownership of the files I'm trying to copy, but all it says in my client system shell is "User user last logged in on Oct 3, 2012" and never copies anything. |
| 20:14.06 | jelly-home | A nightmare for you, but the bird was already dead so it didn't suffer through that |
| 20:14.22 | cardamon | Who says it was dead? |
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| 20:15.45 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: do you have unusual settings in your login shell rc files, like switching to a different shell or starting some other process automatically? |
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| 20:16.04 | kesroesweyth | Let me check. |
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| 20:16.23 | jelly-home | scp relies on the login shell. sftp is more sane |
| 20:16.23 | cardamon | Hmm. I've got a 30GB /. It's 75% full. What's the best way to see a breakdown of that? |
| 20:16.40 | break19 | du |
| 20:16.40 | cardamon | $HOME's a lot larger. |
| 20:16.50 | break19 | cardamon: man du |
| 20:16.51 | schultza | im having some trouble... im trying to install apache2 and configure it. apt-get says it's installed, but i cant find the /etc/httpd directory |
| 20:16.52 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: rsync is possibly better than both, but it needs to be installed at both ends |
| 20:17.04 | kesroesweyth | It is, and that's a good idea. |
| 20:17.30 | cardamon | break19: du / catches /home in the crossfire though. How do I exclude something? |
| 20:17.34 | schultza | rsync copies changed files or missing |
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| 20:17.47 | buu | Hello debian friends. |
| 20:18.17 | kesroesweyth | jelly-home in .bashrc I have a custom lastlog display, which is what I read above. |
| 20:18.27 | kesroesweyth | Could that be causing a problem? |
| 20:18.33 | break19 | cardamon: it's in the manpage :) |
| 20:18.41 | anomaly | schultza, try /etc/apache2 |
| 20:18.43 | danols_work | anyone with understanding of debian packages could tell me why zabbix-server-sqlite is not aviable in my list? - it seems like it should be or was at one point yes ? http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/zabbix.git;a=commitdiff;h=834c1f75b196b8bd6d5ac69b94dab2fd8bc87da4 |
| 20:18.58 | buu | I have a very unique set of constraints and I need some brain storming. Ok possibly not that unique. I have a debian laptop (or whatever), plugged into a tv via hdmi. I want to ssh into the laptop, launch a webbrowser (chrome), navigate to a specific url, launch a flash video player (twitch tv) then full screen it |
| 20:19.02 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: probably should have put that in .bash_profile |
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| 20:19.03 | break19 | cardamon: you're looking for the -x option :) |
| 20:19.21 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: but no, I don't think so |
| 20:19.24 | kesroesweyth | jelly-home that was the issue. I'll put that in the other file. |
| 20:19.38 | kesroesweyth | Commented it out and we're all good now. |
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| 20:19.41 | buu | I can do most of that via ssh, but how do I interact with a flash object inside the webbrowser? |
| 20:19.44 | kesroesweyth | Thanks! |
| 20:19.55 | Sidze | Hi everyone, I'm working on my Debian home server, I would like to have tools like icinga / shinken / nagios to manage this server, see if all is nice, it's a ftp, mail and vbox server, not so more, what tools is better to manage one server ? |
| 20:19.58 | colonolGron | i'm interested about the integrity of the packages which i install on my system. where can i read about the process? how a package gets created, by whom, how does it come to my computer and how will be checked its not altered? |
| 20:20.00 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: read the INVOCATION section of bash manual |
| 20:20.17 | Sidze | At this moment, I use only munin but I would like another tools which give more information... |
| 20:20.18 | cardamon | break19: -X |
| 20:20.23 | kesroesweyth | jelly-home k |
| 20:20.29 | jelly-home | kesroesweyth: find the correct place to put stuff used only by interactive, login shells |
| 20:21.14 | kesroesweyth | jelly-home reading now. thanks :) |
| 20:21.16 | danols_work | Sidze I just looked at the shinken demo page and it was generating 500 errors, first impression was bad so I am setting up zabbix now |
| 20:21.23 | danols_work | this was about 2 hours ago |
| 20:21.32 | cardamon | Anything better than du? this is a lot of data, and I'd rather sort it by size. |
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| 20:21.37 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: I don't see a -sqlite server package, so it may not exist |
| 20:21.41 | danols_work | cardamon ncdu |
| 20:21.57 | cardamon | ncurses? |
| 20:21.58 | danols_work | dondelelcaro it should me thinks - http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/zabbix.git;a=commitdiff;h=834c1f75b196b8bd6d5ac69b94dab2fd8bc87da4 |
| 20:22.02 | danols_work | looks like it was commented out |
| 20:22.11 | danols_work | and for me sqlite3 is perfect it's just a small 2-3 computers |
| 20:22.16 | danols_work | cardamon yes |
| 20:22.20 | schultza | thanks anomaly' |
| 20:22.20 | danols_work | or midnight commander |
| 20:22.32 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: right; it says that it isn't supported upstream, and that it causes deadlocks |
| 20:22.39 | dondelelcaro | danols_work: so Debian doesn't distribute it |
| 20:22.57 | frikinz | colonolGron: you might have a look at debsums |
| 20:22.59 | Sidze | danols_work, ok, I will see what zabbix is, thanks you about the piece of advice ;) |
| 20:23.04 | danols_work | cardamon http://danielsokolowski.blogspot.ca/2012/05/directory-size-overview-in-linux.html if you have better utlis please post in comment |
| 20:23.06 | frikinz | buu: x11vnc? |
| 20:23.18 | anomaly | schultza, np |
| 20:23.36 | danols_work | Sidze no prob, I setup nagiox but found it 'oldish' and so far since I started my research today seems zabbix will be the winner |
| 20:23.50 | cardamon | Hmm. 26GB in /var |
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| 20:23.57 | danols_work | dondelelcaro ok simple as that, wanted to confirm |
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| 20:24.02 | danols_work | thanks |
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| 20:24.36 | anomaly | cardamon, this works too du -skh foo |
| 20:24.44 | danols_work | cardamon is this on a VPS - sounds like you having my problem from a few weeks back |
| 20:24.50 | cardamon | Oh...fore peat sakes... |
| 20:24.50 | anomaly | I use it like du -skh /home/user/* |
| 20:24.54 | cardamon | No, it's not. |
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| 20:25.15 | cardamon | I've got a stupid mount from /var/mpd/music to /home/mute/music |
| 20:25.20 | cardamon | so it's counting it twice. |
| 20:25.23 | Sidze | danols_work, great :) I know a little Icinga with NagiosQL but I would like to see others things :) I see Zabbix screenshots and it seems to be nice, thanks |
| 20:25.24 | danols_work | backs away slowly |
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| 20:30.21 | cardamon | Hmm. And I know where 9 of those GB are from. |
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| 20:30.45 | cardamon | Guess that leaves just 10gb for my server. |
| 20:30.47 | cardamon | Not bad. |
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| 20:32.11 | cardamon | WTF ghc! 100MB of docs? |
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| 20:33.01 | jhutchins_i | When I try to use mplayer to open a video in thunar, it says "Failed to add new application mplayer\n Permission denied" |
| 20:33.09 | danols_work | why do you think you'll need so much ? |
| 20:33.12 | cardamon | ...And 469.9MB of icons. |
| 20:33.12 | danols_work | what project will you be hosting |
| 20:33.43 | cardamon | danols_work: nothing at all, but I ran out last week...full up on old package caches. |
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| 20:35.06 | danols_work | i hear you, the reason I'm installing a monitoring service because I run out on the VPS, so a nice pre-emptive alert would have been helpful. good luck |
| 20:35.57 | cardamon | Huh. |
| 20:36.38 | cardamon | debootstrap sould be the kind of thing that prompts me for input or displays a lot of text as packages get downloaded, right? |
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| 20:37.45 | cardamon | I ran $ sudo debootstrap -arch amd64 wheezy /var/chroot/yuma |
| 20:37.50 | cardamon | and got nothing for my trouble. |
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| 20:38.30 | ZaSeal | can some1 plz help me get 1440p work in debian |
| 20:38.38 | ZaSeal | squeez |
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| 20:52.18 | buu | Ok, question two, I have some kind of cheap oldish laptop with intel graphics and hdmi output, would you guys recommend debian squeeze or ubuntu for making sure hdmi output works? And with either install would my best bet be installing gnome to make sure hdmi works? |
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| 20:53.38 | acu | I have a hard disk with few errors- - is there a utility that tells me exactly where they are in a disk |
| 20:53.59 | ZaSeal | probably ubuntu |
| 20:54.14 | Trewas | buu: newer is in general better for good hw support, gnome should also be fine (with either of them) |
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| 20:54.52 | buu | Trewas: That's my general opinion as well, I was mostly just fishing for someone who had used debian + hdmi really easily I guess =] |
| 20:54.57 | buu | Some reassurance |
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| 20:55.29 | thewanderer1 | well, I use DisplayPort... HDMI never worked for me on another laptop, because it was hard-wired to the NVIDIA GPU, not Intel |
| 20:55.41 | thewanderer1 | and NVIDIA OPTIMUS is a mess |
| 20:56.48 | thewanderer1 | you have a good chance of it working if there is only an intel GPU, and if you use a kernel from backports, though. |
| 20:57.42 | babilen | buu: You can easily upgrade your kernel and Xorg to the versions in backports (cf. <bdo> <bdo kernel> <bdo xorg> (/msg dpkg bdo)), but that shouldn't be necessary if it is an old laptop. But why not try both? They come with Live CDs and you could also consider installing Wheezy which is the current development release. (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) |
| 20:58.20 | babilen | buu: I would try it in that order :) |
| 20:58.59 | cardamon | Guys, trying to setup a chroot, but when I run $ sudo debootstrap -arch amd64 wheezy /var/chroot/myChroot nothing happens |
| 20:59.16 | frikinz | cardamon: --arch |
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| 20:59.25 | frikinz | cardamon: -arch should give you an error anyway |
| 20:59.34 | cardamon | frikinz: It does not. |
| 20:59.44 | cardamon | But that worked. |
| 20:59.46 | cardamon | So thanks. |
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| 21:01.54 | buu | babilen: Seems reasonable, I'll give it a go in something like that order =] |
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| 21:02.15 | buu | I'm fairly certain the silly thing doesn't have nivida graphics, it was like $400 when I bought it, heh. |
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| 21:05.12 | thewanderer1 | try Squeeze then. |
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| 21:17.56 | sadtaco | 100% of my cpu is being used up.. Cpu(s): 42.1%us, 10.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.9%si, 47.0%st |
| 21:18.06 | sadtaco | None of the services running are using much |
| 21:18.08 | sadtaco | 47% steal? |
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| 21:21.54 | sadtaco | I only see about 5-20% cpu used in htop, adding up the services. but the total is 100%. |
| 21:22.46 | boudiccas | sadtaco, try 'atop', you have to install it but its good |
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| 21:24.47 | cardamon | boudiccas: htop |
| 21:25.10 | cardamon | Is just as good. |
| 21:25.19 | sadtaco | Htop isn't showing what's using up all my cpu |
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| 21:26.42 | cardamon | It should. |
| 21:27.04 | frikinz | sadtaco: there are some checkboxes if you go in Setup, Display options. maybe some things are hidden |
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| 21:29.36 | sadtaco | Detailed CPU time maybe, is all I can see |
| 21:29.44 | th1 | does anyone know if there is a package that has man pages for pthread_cond_signal etc? |
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| 21:30.15 | format_c | th1: C? |
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| 21:30.23 | th1 | format_c, yes |
| 21:30.39 | cardamon | sadtaco: Is Hide Kernel Threads or Hide Userland threads there? |
| 21:30.42 | sadtaco | htop is showing like 45% of my cpu in green, and another 7% in red. |
| 21:30.46 | dondelelcaro | th1: manpages-posix-dev |
| 21:30.50 | dondelelcaro | !tell th1 -about search |
| 21:30.53 | sadtaco | userland is hidden, kernel not |
| 21:31.11 | sadtaco | I unchecked Kernel, so now neither is hidden. |
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| 21:31.20 | th1 | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot |
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| 21:31.23 | sadtaco | Don't see what's using up an extra 40-95% cpu |
| 21:32.16 | th1 | dondelelcaro, I was confused about it because some already had man pages like pthread_create |
| 21:32.29 | cyrusae | hi, i am trying to set up a debian dom0. it shows me several kernels, which one should i take? |
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| 21:33.33 | mike_o | Can debian isos been written directly to a USB drive with dd or am I require to use boot.img.gz? |
| 21:33.54 | dondelelcaro | th1: no worries |
| 21:34.04 | dondelelcaro | mike_o: from squeeze on, they can be. |
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| 21:34.10 | mike_o | Yay, thanks. |
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| 21:34.18 | dondelelcaro | th1: just wanted to make sure you knew about apt-file search and packages.debian.org |
| 21:34.22 | babilen | !tell mike_o -about usb install |
| 21:34.45 | th1 | dondelelcaro, thanks, I do now :) |
| 21:34.59 | babilen | mike_o: And don't use dd as it doesn't tweak the blocksize automatically. cp and cat are better (as detailed in the installation guide) |
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| 21:35.17 | babilen | mike_o: All should work though |
| 21:35.20 | mike_o | Thanks. |
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| 21:35.29 | dondelelcaro | personally uses dcfldd instead of dd, but whatever works |
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| 21:35.33 | peterS | more to the point, the whole point of having a block device abstraction is that userspace shouldn't _need_ to worry about the block size |
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| 21:36.11 | peterS | (thus why freebsd presents disks as char devices is a bit of a mystery to me) |
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| 21:46.22 | mattfury | where do i get make-kpkg from? |
| 21:46.37 | cardamon | mount bind works kind of like a symlink, right? |
| 21:47.11 | peterS | not really like a symlink, more like mounting the same filesystem on two or more mount points |
| 21:47.25 | peterS | a symlink is visible to, e.g., 'ls -l', whereas mounts, including bind mounts, are not |
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| 21:48.38 | frikinz | isn't make-kpkg deprecated? its in kernel-package |
| 21:48.41 | cardamon | I have a image I want to mount and expose to a chroot. Just trying to figure out how. |
| 21:48.58 | peterS | bind mounts are great for populating chroots |
| 21:49.21 | peterS | symlinks aren't, because from inside a chroot, the symlink can't point outside it |
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| 21:50.57 | cardamon | okay. Can I bind mount a mount? |
| 21:51.28 | cardamon | Ooh! |
| 21:51.48 | cardamon | I can just loop mount it directly to the chroot's /media/cdrom |
| 21:52.31 | mattfury | what happened to modutils, apparently its depricated? |
| 21:52.38 | mattfury | what do i use in its place? |
| 21:53.11 | mattfury | E: Package 'modutils' has no installation candidate |
| 21:53.11 | mattfury | E: Unable to locate package libcurses5-dev |
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| 21:56.43 | thewanderer1 | mattfury: it's libncurses5-dev, and kmod for things like modprobe |
| 21:57.04 | mattfury | ty |
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| 21:58.06 | mattfury | uhh maybe i have the wrong source list? |
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| 21:58.33 | thewanderer1 | well, what does it say? |
| 21:58.39 | mattfury | fresh debian 6.0.6 netinstall nothing comes up for kmod, and libncurses5-dev is up to date |
| 21:58.52 | mattfury | (from apt-cache search and apt-get) |
| 21:59.09 | thewanderer1 | ,file modprobe |
| 21:59.13 | judd | Search for modprobe in squeeze/i386: module-init-tools: sbin/modprobe; discover: sbin/discover-modprobe; lustre-utils: usr/sbin/lc_modprobe; bootcd-mkinitramfs: usr/share/bootcd/bootcdmodprobe, usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/runbootcdmodprobe; logwatch: usr/share/logwatch/scripts/services/modprobe |
| 22:01.13 | thewanderer1 | there you go |
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| 23:02.19 | synod | How does d-i's udev rules get updated? |
| 23:03.11 | synod | I am trying to understand the origin of the FIRMWARE property for iwlwifi devices |
| 23:03.46 | synod | There appear to be 3 FIRMWARE entries for my device when there should almost certainly only be 1 |
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| 23:05.29 | Hatori | synod, not yet analyze it :d |
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| 23:06.50 | synod | Hatori: hmm? I've been pulling down repos to try to find the culprit... the kernel module declares a range of firmwares but somewhere between the ko and d-i that OR becomes AND |
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| 23:07.39 | synod | Hatori: I believe this is a d-i issue but I can't seem to locate any hardware-specific rules in the d-i repo |
| 23:07.48 | Hatori | synod, i think they resides on initramfs images ... Just my guessing |
| 23:08.09 | synod | Hatori: how/where are those built? where is the source? |
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| 23:09.58 | Hatori | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.53 | synod | Hatori: yeah, and it has a bug... i have the debian-installer mr svn/git repo now |
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| 23:17.40 | dodo_ | hi |
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| 23:20.02 | dodo_ | i have downloaded a program. i want to build it so.... cd ./program ; configure ; make ; does 'make ' generate a log in a file ?? |
| 23:20.29 | dodo_ | how to generate one? |
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| 23:25.19 | bolt | dodo_: make | tee nicelog.log |
| 23:25.35 | Hatori | dodo_ maybe yes |
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| 23:26.42 | dodo_ | bolt: do i'm going to be able to read the output in realtime... or i will have to wait until it end to read it from nicelog.log? |
| 23:26.59 | bolt | dodo_: tee will print to stdout and the file at the same time |
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| 23:27.15 | bolt | dodo_: you can see the output in the console, and on tail following a file, as it appears |
| 23:27.15 | dodo_ | nice :) thanks... i will try it |
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| 23:28.12 | bolt | dodo_: you might want "make 2>&1 | tee nicelog.log" btw |
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| 23:28.31 | dodo_ | any difference? |
| 23:28.48 | inclusa | exit |
| 23:29.20 | bolt | dodo_: the difference is tee will also get things written to stderr |
| 23:29.32 | bolt | make might do that in case of an error |
| 23:30.10 | dodo_ | nicer :) |
| 23:30.17 | bolt | 2>&1 makes stderr (2) a copy of stdout (1), which is being piped into tee. man bash for details |
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| 23:30.41 | dodo_ | ok.... thanks |
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